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| 00:03.11 | the_master | ne1 have any idea why nv doesnt load? |
| 00:03.27 | MatBoy | is it true that a quad system can have a CPU usage of 400% or was it 200% ? |
| 00:03.51 | Kevin` | MatBoy that of course depends how you measure it |
| 00:03.53 | Agrajag- | !ne1 |
| 00:03.53 | dpkg | There is no such nick ne1. If you can't be bothered to type 'anyone' we can't be bothered to help you. IRC shorthand for "I don't have two braincells to rub together" (circa EFnet #amiga mid-90s) |
| 00:04.02 | MatBoy | Kevin`, ok, but by default |
| 00:04.05 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Yes, you get 100% for each processor |
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| 00:04.22 | MatBoy | Wyzard, OK, I thought so... than is a Quad Xeon 500 not that slow |
| 00:04.28 | Kevin` | MatBoy in unix, that's by load average, not percent, which is always the same, yet on an smp system higher numbers like 3 are OK |
| 00:04.42 | Wyzard | MatBoy: I'm not sure whether hyperthreaded processors count 100% for each virtual processor, but I know that dual-core processors count 100% for each core |
| 00:04.45 | MatBoy | Kevin`, yep I sw that |
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| 00:05.04 | Kevin` | but load average can go up to something like 30, even if you only have 4 processors |
| 00:05.04 | MatBoy | Wyzard, I thought HT was just 100% |
| 00:05.12 | Kevin` | which means processes aren't getting requested time |
| 00:05.14 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Could be; I don't have any HT systems so I don't know |
| 00:05.22 | MatBoy | Kevin`, yeah I'm not a guy that flips with a load of 1 |
| 00:05.24 | Kevin` | I have an ht system, |
| 00:05.29 | Wyzard | MatBoy: Wouldn't surprise me, since the two threads really are just one processor |
| 00:05.38 | MatBoy | Wyzard, my workstation is one ATM... only 100% I thought |
| 00:05.42 | Kevin` | it works faster if I run more then one process at once - user time is greater then system time |
| 00:05.49 | Kevin` | so it can be higher then 100% I suppose |
| 00:06.08 | Noah0504 | I want to install ndiswrapper, but I'm not sure which to install: ndiswrapper-utils-1.1 or ndiswrapper-utils-1.9? |
| 00:06.18 | MatBoy | Kevin`, you say... when the load on your PC is higher, you PC acts faster ? |
| 00:06.20 | concept10 | The world is crazy, why would someone join a forum just to troll and put LOL on every post? |
| 00:06.25 | Kevin` | Noah0504 which chipset are you using that you are forced to use ndiswrapper |
| 00:06.38 | Noah0504 | Kevin`: Broadcom BCM4318. |
| 00:06.47 | Kevin` | MatBoy the operation is completed faster.. more cpu time is spent then actual time |
| 00:06.58 | Kevin` | Noah0504 isn't that supported by the reverse engineered driver |
| 00:07.03 | MatBoy | Kevin`, I thought I was nuts.. I mentioned that too |
| 00:07.17 | Noah0504 | As far as I know, it didn't work with my specific card. |
| 00:07.18 | Wyzard | Kevin`: That's not really going over 100%, it's just wasting less of what your one processor can do |
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| 00:07.41 | Kevin` | that's why I said, thinking of it in % isn't useful |
| 00:07.49 | haggz | concept10: Even crazier is the fact that people pay lots of money for the privilege of using software that gives them no rights, freedom or privacy. |
| 00:08.12 | enouf | that's a nod to haggz |
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| 00:08.39 | mook | dondelelcaro: http://pastebin.co.uk/10291 |
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| 00:08.44 | concept10 | haggz, i agree |
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| 00:08.49 | Kevin` | Noah0504 install the latest utils as well as the kernel module that matches your running kernel |
| 00:08.50 | mook | <3 |
| 00:08.51 | rue_mohr | how do I get grub off my system? |
| 00:09.00 | rue_mohr | there a grub-install but no grub-remove |
| 00:09.01 | Kevin` | rue_mohr put something else in it's place |
| 00:09.02 | Wyzard | Kevin`: What MatBoy was referring to is the fact that on a true SMP system, each processor has its own 0%..100% so you can actually have a reported CPU usage of 200% or 400% |
| 00:09.03 | Adlai | anyone have a link to a recent (etch) howto for compiling my own kernel? |
| 00:09.03 | Noah0504 | Kevin`: Okay, thanks. |
| 00:09.04 | enouf | haggz: i'd say "restricts" is a better term, since I don't rely on my software to allow/deny me my "rights" :-) |
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| 00:09.21 | Kevin` | rue_mohr if you really want to REMOVE it, i'll show you how, but it's not a useful operation |
| 00:09.40 | MatBoy | Wyzard, Kevin` indeed, so I can have 400, where 200 with a load of 3-4 is normal |
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| 00:09.49 | haggz | enouf: yeah, if you decide that you will be a free person, no software program can take that away. |
| 00:10.01 | concept10 | I love the free software community, it offers freedom (of course) and endless possibilities, but getting help sometimes is a major PITA |
| 00:10.04 | Kevin` | Wyzard HT is reported in linux as two cpus, so I suppose it could be reported as 200%, but I never look at a percentage |
| 00:10.16 | riot | hi. can someone tell me what /etc/udev/links.conf is for? The first line says "# This file does not exist. Please do not ask the debian maintainer about it".. i feel fscked up. Have this on two boxes. |
| 00:10.42 | Wyzard | Kevin`: It's the percentages on HT that I was wondering about... how they're reported |
| 00:11.00 | Kevin` | Wyzard how do I view the percentages then? :) |
| 00:11.02 | Ankman | cannot even start it or it messes up my devs and i cannot properly log in |
| 00:11.09 | enouf | Kevin`: HT performance doesn't come close to dual cores, let alone true SMP .. socketed CPUs |
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| 00:11.21 | magyar | I am interested why "directoryindex" is not set as a default for the Apache server on Debian. Isn't it a security issue? |
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| 00:11.26 | Kevin` | enouf I know, but it does provide a performance increase |
| 00:11.26 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Use "top", or better yet "htop" (which is its own package) |
| 00:11.27 | magyar | btw, i asked apache |
| 00:11.31 | rue_mohr | Kevin`, yes, please tell me how to get rid of grub |
| 00:11.41 | rue_mohr | I cant find a --remove anywhere |
| 00:11.44 | Kevin` | rue_mohr did you put it in the mbr or on a partition? |
| 00:11.45 | Wyzard | Kevin`: htop gives you separate load meters for each processor at the top of the window |
| 00:11.45 | enouf | Kevin`:yes .. marginally .. approx 25% IIRC |
| 00:12.08 | riot | what is /etc/udev/links.conf for? |
| 00:12.21 | rue_mohr | mbr |
| 00:12.42 | enouf | Kevin`: intel netburst arch .. 4 sets of instructs per clock tick .. that's why they can claim outrageous 1066 Bus speeds and such |
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| 00:12.57 | Kevin` | rue_mohr dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/hda bs=446 count=1 |
| 00:13.14 | rue_mohr | hahaha your kidding right? |
| 00:13.24 | Kevin` | rue_mohr no. |
| 00:13.26 | enouf | MatBoy: Dual cores will help you if you "multi-task" .. Quad cores .. moreso |
| 00:13.35 | rue_mohr | erm |
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| 00:13.43 | Kevin` | rue_mohr why do you want to remove grub though? it will simply leave NO boot manager |
| 00:13.43 | MatBoy | enouf, indeed ! |
| 00:13.46 | concept10 | Anyone know how to map Alt + F2 to open another application in GNOME? |
| 00:13.47 | rue_mohr | why didn't the lilo install overwirte it then? |
| 00:13.57 | rue_mohr | Kevin`, I want lilo |
| 00:13.58 | Kevin` | rue_mohr because you didn't install lilo properly |
| 00:14.00 | enouf | rue_mohr: fdsik /mbr or FIXMBR |
| 00:14.07 | rue_mohr | k |
| 00:14.11 | enouf | rue_mohr: nevermind .. whoops! |
| 00:14.18 | Kevin` | if you install lilo to the mbr it will overwrite grub |
| 00:14.25 | rue_mohr | shoudl |
| 00:14.47 | Kevin` | top reports 100% with a load average of 1.86, i'm installing htop |
| 00:14.48 | enouf | rue_mohr: my apologies .. I asumed you were a "give me my windoofus XPoop OS back!" |
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| 00:14.54 | enouf | assumed* |
| 00:15.21 | numist | \o/ |
| 00:15.26 | enouf | | |
| 00:15.28 | enouf | ?\ |
| 00:15.35 | enouf | bah .. peg leg :-P |
| 00:15.43 | numist | is anyone else at scale? |
| 00:15.45 | rue_mohr | enouf, oh god no! |
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| 00:15.57 | enouf | rue_mohr: welcome mi amigo :-P |
| 00:16.01 | enouf | er ;-) |
| 00:16.03 | Wyzard | Kevin`: Current kernels are HT-aware, so my guess would be that each hyperthread reports its percentage of the pair, so the sum of the two can never exceed 100% |
| 00:16.13 | rue_mohr | ah boot= was wrong in the lilo config |
| 00:17.06 | Kevin` | htop reports two cpus, each at 100% |
| 00:17.12 | Wyzard | interesting |
| 00:17.25 | Wyzard | I'd call that a minor bug :-) |
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| 00:17.54 | Kevin` | buy me a dualcode cpu so I can check if there's a difference :) |
| 00:17.54 | rue_mohr | haha cool bitmap |
| 00:18.14 | enouf | Kevin`: there won't be .. in that respect .. |
| 00:18.17 | Wyzard | Kevin`: I'm on a dual-core right now and I see two CPUs which really can both reach 100% |
| 00:18.25 | Kevin` | enouf so? :) |
| 00:19.30 | Kevin` | if I only start one process, I get one cpu at 100% and one at 1.3% |
| 00:19.30 | Wyzard | That's not surprising |
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| 00:19.30 | enouf | to be expected .. |
| 00:19.34 | Kevin` | just sayin |
| 00:19.40 | Kevin` | while I have this program open |
| 00:19.40 | Wyzard | but if you start two CPU-intensive tasks of equal priority, it really ought to display both around 50% |
| 00:20.17 | Kevin` | if I start two, it shows both ath 100% |
| 00:20.19 | enouf | then you have taskset, affintiy, psctl, etc .. which you can bind to CPU cores/etc .. I wonder how that would differ in HT vs X2 |
| 00:20.38 | rue_mohr | haha, no dhcp, how I love building new kernels. always manage to leave out something new |
| 00:20.39 | Kevin` | I suspect it would do the same thing |
| 00:20.55 | Kevin` | dhcp isn't something you need in the kernel |
| 00:20.58 | Kevin` | unless your doing netboot |
| 00:20.59 | enouf | Kevin`: that's actually to be even more expected in HT, since it's really X1 only still |
| 00:21.49 | enouf | er X2, X4 |
| 00:22.05 | Kevin` | I wouldn't mind an amd x4 either :) |
| 00:22.27 | enouf | SocketF .. 104x pins? .. IIRC .. w00t! |
| 00:22.32 | Wyzard | enouf: What about Core 2 Duo? :-P |
| 00:22.52 | enouf | Wyzard: bah .. still the FSB bottleneck .. no Onboard MemController :-P |
| 00:22.57 | rue_mohr | well, I wouldn't need it, if I had pump installed |
| 00:23.12 | enouf | Wyzard: though Benchmarks have shown .. |
| 00:24.02 | enouf | Wyzard: oh .. you mean the nonsensical nomenclature .. core2duo2quadsolocore2corequadduo |
| 00:24.11 | Kevin` | rue_mohr your using kernel ip autoconfiguration just because you don't have dhclient/dhcpcd/pump installed? O_o |
| 00:24.18 | enouf | :-P |
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| 00:24.40 | Wyzard | haha |
| 00:25.13 | Wyzard | Kernel IP autoconfiguration (which is BOOTP, not quite DHCP) is meant for diskless systems that need an IP before they can even mount their root filesystem |
| 00:25.25 | Kevin` | Wyzard it can do dhcp too |
| 00:25.28 | Supaplex | eg, nfs:/ |
| 00:25.29 | Kevin` | there's an option |
| 00:25.31 | Wyzard | oh? |
| 00:25.32 | Wyzard | ok |
| 00:25.37 | Wyzard | Well, still, use a real DHCP client |
| 00:25.41 | Kevin` | and one other protocol too |
| 00:25.45 | Kevin` | probbly rarp, but I forget |
| 00:25.50 | Wyzard | I was about to guess rarp |
| 00:25.56 | Supaplex | !rarp |
| 00:25.57 | dpkg | somebody said rarp was reverse address resolution protocol |
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| 00:31.41 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, hey buddy, I'm still working on my irda, can you tell me again how to enable it? |
| 00:32.08 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, last time my laptop suddenly turned off and I missed the lines of your help |
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| 00:32.16 | Ankman | forgot how i set it up |
| 00:32.16 | k-man | what is the command for managing users? like enableing and disabling their accounts? |
| 00:32.23 | Ankman | guess i don't need it anyway |
| 00:32.38 | Ankman | k-man: usermod |
| 00:32.44 | k-man | Ankman, thanks |
| 00:32.51 | xand | or passwd |
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| 00:33.09 | xand | it;s not easy to disable an account c.c |
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| 00:33.23 | Ankman | usermod -L $user |
| 00:33.25 | Ankman | i guess |
| 00:33.33 | Ankman | and -U to unlock |
| 00:33.39 | eniac | anyone aware of a dutch speaking debian channel ? |
| 00:33.39 | k-man | thanks |
| 00:33.41 | Ankman | -L is for lock btw. ;-) |
| 00:33.55 | xand | Ankman: that only locks the password, it doesnt really disable the account |
| 00:33.59 | agent | just remember, "usermod -Luser" ;) |
| 00:34.00 | xand | !nl |
| 00:34.00 | dpkg | nl is The Netherlands. Voor Nederlandstalige hulp met debian kunt U terecht in #debian-nl. For help with debian in Dutch, you can join #debian-nl. |
| 00:34.07 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, knock knock |
| 00:34.20 | eniac | nl is |
| 00:34.25 | eniac | _not_ The Netherlands |
| 00:34.27 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, hi |
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| 00:34.38 | xand | eniac: orly, what is it then? |
| 00:34.43 | eniac | nl equals the language |
| 00:34.44 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, hi.... did you read the lines up here? |
| 00:34.56 | eniac | as spoken in Belgium and the Netherlands |
| 00:34.58 | xand | nl is the domain name too, so it;s the country |
| 00:35.01 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, read it now |
| 00:35.07 | Ankman | xand: guess so |
| 00:35.07 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, sure, where were we? |
| 00:35.09 | eniac | doesn't matter anyway :) |
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| 00:35.16 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ahh, yes, irattach |
| 00:35.18 | xand | eniac: .nl means netherlands |
| 00:35.21 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, right? |
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| 00:35.35 | eniac | xand: .nl isn't nl |
| 00:35.42 | xand | eniac: cry |
| 00:35.54 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, irattach /dev/ttyS1 |
| 00:36.15 | xand | the language is called dutch! |
| 00:36.24 | xand | how do you get "nl" from "dutch"? |
| 00:36.38 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, now when I do #dmesg | tail i got this end lines: irtty_open - ttyS1: irda line discipline opened |
| 00:36.39 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, right. You got the line discipline thing on dmesg IIRC right? |
| 00:36.39 | g333k_laptop | irlap_change_speed(), setting speed to 9600 |
| 00:36.44 | medc | hello guys...i need to run autocad for work in my house and i angry of the dual boot.....there is a way that i can install win over linux like a app??? |
| 00:36.53 | HymnToLife | xabbott, NetherLands |
| 00:36.59 | xand | medc: wine? |
| 00:37.04 | medc | xand |
| 00:37.12 | xand | yes? |
| 00:37.23 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, right. Now, do you have any IRDA device around you? Like a mobile phone or something? |
| 00:37.30 | xand | !wine |
| 00:37.31 | dpkg | well, wine is at http://www.winehq.com/ or #winehq. It stands for Wine Is Not an Emulator or alternative win32 API. very buggy, will be a major part of the death of M$. The sources.list lines are: deb http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main, deb-src http://people.debian.org/~andreas/debian wine main. apt-get install shiraz, or a tasty alcoholic beverage. |
| 00:37.33 | liable | medc: qemu or vmware or wine etc |
| 00:37.34 | medc | xand, a friend told me there is another way....that u can actually install the OS |
| 00:37.36 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, my nokia cell phone |
| 00:37.47 | xand | vmware |
| 00:38.03 | agent | What is needed to properly run wxpython in Debian? libwxbase2.6, libwxgtk2.6, python-wxgtk2.6 and python-wxversion are all installed.... strange but all wx programs run without error but no widgets (windows) are shown! What am I missing? |
| 00:38.14 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok. issue a "irdadump" |
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| 00:38.30 | xand | eniac: NL is most certainly short for The Netherlands. |
| 00:38.31 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, and, for example, transfer a phone contact via IRDA with your Nokia |
| 00:38.31 | medc | liable, does wmware appear on the apt*get?? |
| 00:38.36 | xand | it's the ISO country code for it. |
| 00:38.40 | xand | so stop being silly |
| 00:39.07 | liable | medc: no |
| 00:39.09 | xand | :P |
| 00:39.21 | liable | medc: qemu does though |
| 00:39.22 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, how do I access to my phone? |
| 00:39.29 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, you should see lots of garbade on irdadump if its working |
| 00:39.45 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, with your fingers. Unless you are into kinky stuff. |
| 00:39.48 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, :D |
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| 00:40.46 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, at this stage we are just testing connection. Just approach the Irda window of your Nokia to the Irda window of your laptop and tell the Nokia to send the contact card via infrared. |
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| 00:41.12 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, I just run #irdadump.. an put my cell phone with the infrared enabled...... but there no appear any lines |
| 00:41.34 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, ok |
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| 00:42.25 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok, that's bad |
| 00:42.47 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, try "irdadumpo -i <device> |
| 00:43.01 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, where device is /dev/ttyS1 in your situation IIRC. |
| 00:43.02 | Justin | should also show up in /proc/irda/discover or some simiarly named file |
| 00:43.23 | medc | there is someone here doing the same thing as me ? |
| 00:43.50 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, now I see the garbage you talked about but in the cell phone I got a message "Sent failed" |
| 00:43.54 | medc | i am using debian etch 2.6.18-3-k7 |
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| 00:44.30 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, you almost certainly are aware of this but remember that IRDA depends on close alignement of the infrared windows. It's not like bluetooth. |
| 00:44.34 | floundering | Hi, If I send a "powered off" lan computer a magic packet and it does not wake, is there anything I can do without changing the NIC,s? |
| 00:44.40 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, excellet |
| 00:44.57 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, So, your original problem is solved. |
| 00:45.08 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, BTW, edit /etc/default/irda-utils |
| 00:45.12 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, gaf3:~# irdadump -i /dev/ttyS1 |
| 00:45.13 | g333k_laptop | Using interface: /dev/ttyS1 |
| 00:45.13 | g333k_laptop | ioctl: No such device |
| 00:45.39 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, and put your device (/dev/ttyS1) in the correct field and change the falg to start on boot to "true" |
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| 00:45.55 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, now I'm lost... didn't you said it worked? |
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| 00:46.24 | unlink | when i run iceweasel, i just get the message "Killed". |
| 00:46.46 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, yep but when I do not specify the device |
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| 00:47.04 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok perfect, forget about that |
| 00:47.07 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, besides the file I sent never arrived to the pc |
| 00:47.21 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, of course not |
| 00:47.40 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, irdadump just shows packets. Like tcpdump. It's merely a sniffer |
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| 00:47.46 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, ahh ok |
| 00:48.26 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, now, to copy stuff |
| 00:48.38 | Fett | Hi, is there an easy way via command to see what LVM one has running? As i need to work out how to replace a few of the drives and so far have nfi what to do |
| 00:48.45 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, do I need some tool to transfer files between my laptop and my cell? |
| 00:49.01 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, apt-get install openobex-apps |
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| 00:49.17 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, yes you do. Several of them, depending on what you want |
| 00:49.24 | agent | xand: nl does indeed stand for "Dutch". Since Dutch is not English,"Dutch" in Dutch is, well, not "Dutch". It is "Nederlands" hence nl for short. :) |
| 00:49.35 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, the openobex-apps are command-line commands to do it. |
| 00:49.58 | agent | xand: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dutch_language |
| 00:49.59 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, but an "apt-cache search nokia" shows several GUI interfaces. apot-get install wammu , for example. |
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| 00:50.30 | black_13 | !xorg |
| 00:50.30 | dpkg | hmm... xorg is X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 00:50.38 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, understand that from this point on I'm not talking of something I really know. I just copied stuff using the command line utils, and I have a Shap mobile |
| 00:51.19 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, but wammu seems feature full, from what I can see... assuming it works :) |
| 00:51.29 | agent | xand: The real question is, why is it called "Dutch" in English when "Dutch" is nothing even close to "Nederlands" |
| 00:51.41 | jelly-home | hmm, is there a way to mark a device used in md softraid as not faulty any more, short of removing it from array and adding it back? |
| 00:51.50 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, but first intall the openobex-apps just for a simple copying test |
| 00:52.41 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, ok I have the openobex-apps installed |
| 00:53.01 | agent | xand: so eniac was correct :) |
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| 00:54.13 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok... try this: "ircp -r" |
| 00:54.24 | peterS | topic diff: remove "rc1" from blurb about installer, rc1 no longer works |
| 00:54.29 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, and send a picture or something from your nokia to your laptop |
| 00:54.44 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, assuming your mobile has camera, but should work for a contact as well. |
| 00:55.08 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, sending.... |
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| 00:55.37 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, it seems it worked! |
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| 00:55.55 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, yeah it worked! |
| 00:56.19 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, great. |
| 00:56.24 | xand | agent: no |
| 00:56.33 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, to use ircp to send just provide a filename to it |
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| 00:56.57 | xand | agent: he said nl didn't mean the netherlands, when it does |
| 00:57.06 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, and now go and explore graphical ways to do the same... as I said "wammu" seems featerfull, shows contacts, agenda, whatever |
| 00:57.20 | Gnurdux | peterS, you screwed up topic |
| 00:57.24 | Gnurdux | read it |
| 00:57.29 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, yep I'm installing wammu with gammu |
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| 00:58.15 | solemnwarning | Do all graphics cards have VGA in thier lspci line? |
| 00:58.15 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok. Well, I'm glad I could be of help, from this point on you're on your own :). Remember to edit the file I said though, to have IrDA always configured |
| 00:58.28 | agent | xand: I see. nl stands for two relevent things: "its alpha-2 country code" and "its alpha-2 language code" |
| 00:58.35 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, where is that file? |
| 00:58.54 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, you mean to keep the irda enable ? |
| 00:59.02 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, /etc/default/irda-utils |
| 00:59.20 | agent | xand: errr... i mean: "Netherlands, its alpha-2 country code" and "Dutch language, its alpha-2 language code" |
| 00:59.22 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, change two parametres there, the one with your TTY and the one to start at boot |
| 00:59.51 | xand | what is "alpha-2" meant to mean? |
| 00:59.59 | xand | you mean two-letter |
| 01:00.07 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, thanks.. Done! |
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| 01:00.29 | peterS | hrrm. it was short enough before, what changed. |
| 01:00.38 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, ok, then after a reboot it should be working without need to irattach manually. |
| 01:01.26 | g333k_laptop | fsmunoz, thanks for your help buddy, i have learn something new today |
| 01:01.30 | *** topic/#debian by peterS -> /msg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release? /msg dpkg wwer | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg no public key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java | Test the etch installer, report bugs! http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 01:01.37 | peterS | oh well |
| 01:02.05 | peterS | Gnurdux: thanks |
| 01:02.12 | fsmunoz | g333k_laptop, your're welcome, glad to be of help |
| 01:02.16 | agent | xand: Yes, that is what my guess would be. :) I pasted that information from wikipedia. |
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| 01:05.10 | MarcoPau | when I do swapon /dev/hdxn, will it be remembered in the next boots? |
| 01:05.30 | jelly-home | MarcoPau: no, you have to add an entry to /etc/fstab |
| 01:06.34 | MarcoPau | jelly-home: ok thanks |
| 01:07.05 | Ankman | /dev/hda2 none swap defaults 0 0 |
| 01:07.07 | Ankman | here |
| 01:09.39 | tuvwx | what's the upcoming testing codename? |
| 01:09.48 | jelly-home | lenny |
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| 01:10.03 | black_13 | and karl |
| 01:10.38 | tuvwx | jelly-home, is that the new testing?! |
| 01:10.46 | jelly-home | !lenny |
| 01:10.47 | dpkg | lenny is probably the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 01:10.59 | tuvwx | lame |
| 01:11.16 | black_13 | is there a guide to installing kde on etch |
| 01:11.40 | tuvwx | black_13, install the kde desktop environment task in aptitude |
| 01:12.45 | black_13 | how do recurse through all directories and show the access time of each file? |
| 01:13.06 | jelly-home | tuvwx: it's just a codename... I'd care less if it was called fruitfucker |
| 01:13.11 | Supaplex | black_13: man ls or man find |
| 01:13.19 | Eclipser | lenny must sound the most lame name ever for debian release |
| 01:14.01 | tuvwx | jelly-home, at least that name involves some action ;) |
| 01:14.37 | jelly-home | tuvwx: woody does too if you have a dirty mind |
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| 01:23.44 | concept10 | im started to get frustrated with GNOME, there is always some stupid artificial fucking limitation |
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| 01:24.57 | soapee01 | I'm running etch, and just did an upgrade. KDM starts, but KDE (nor plain x) runs as user (doesn't go from the command line either). I can run as root, and if I chmod 777 /tmp everything is fine (except for system security). Any suggestions? |
| 01:24.59 | amphi | concept10: death to the DEs! |
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| 01:25.45 | concept10 | amphi, what do currently use? |
| 01:26.05 | amphi | concept10: openbox |
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| 01:27.28 | Miesco | What program is good for viewing pictures on my camera? |
| 01:29.00 | concept10 | Miesco, gphoto2 |
| 01:29.09 | concept10 | amphi, how does it compare to fluxbox? |
| 01:29.25 | riot | What tool is good in autoconfiguring wireless and ethernet networking on notebooks? |
| 01:29.29 | transgress | Miesco: fspot |
| 01:29.41 | transgress | riot network manager |
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| 01:30.16 | Miesco | transgress: fspot? |
| 01:30.43 | amphi | concept10: no tabbed windows; I haven't used fluxbox in a while, it crashed a lot last time I used it |
| 01:31.00 | riot | transgress: and if one doesn't like kde nor gnome? |
| 01:31.00 | black_13 | Supaplex, how about find . -atime +1 -exec ls -l {} \; ? |
| 01:31.02 | jastarafi | Hi |
| 01:31.09 | transgress | Miesco: it's a mono app. it's really nice. |
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| 01:31.34 | transgress | riot what do you use? |
| 01:31.37 | jastarafi | you tell me |
| 01:32.08 | Crazytales2 | i just installed 3.1r4 on my iMac 233MHz |
| 01:32.13 | riot | transgress: lots of urxvts and ion3. |
| 01:32.25 | Crazytales2 | now it is giving me the flashing question mark when i try to boot from HDD |
| 01:33.32 | Crazytales2 | why is it not booting? |
| 01:33.48 | transgress | riot i don't know then, but i think you can install network manager w/o gnome or kde... there may be a commandline way of getting it to work |
| 01:34.06 | riot | transgress: oh well, i'm having a look. Thank yer ;) |
| 01:34.49 | riot | "A laptop user should never need to use the command line" << aah.. that discourages me.. how "NUT" must one be to claim such bullshit. |
| 01:35.14 | transgress | riot where did you get that form? |
| 01:35.16 | transgress | from |
| 01:35.35 | riot | transgress: from its homepage. Ok, i left out crucial parts ;) |
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| 01:35.48 | riot | "..to configure networking" ;) |
| 01:35.58 | Wolfcastle | greetings |
| 01:36.00 | concept10 | Anyone know what the app is called that allows you to run applications in GNOME? (the run application dialog when you press ALT-F2) |
| 01:36.34 | Wolfcastle | if "make uninstall" doesn't work, is there some log file by default to know which files to remove to uninstall the program? |
| 01:36.47 | stew | black_13: how about just: find | xargs stat -c "%x %n" |
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| 01:37.09 | fsmunoz | NetworkManager is very handy... I'm a CLI guy, but NM dues simplify stuff, especiall wireless connections |
| 01:37.09 | black_13 | stew, oh |
| 01:37.45 | fsmunoz | I mostly use "whereami" though. |
| 01:37.49 | riot | concept10: been there, done that. |
| 01:37.55 | stoned | I ask myself that a lot |
| 01:37.58 | Miesco | transgress: Is it in the debian repository? |
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| 01:38.03 | riot | fsmunoz: i tried that one, it confused the HELL outta me |
| 01:38.20 | fsmunoz | riot, ehe, yes, it's a bit cumbersome initially. |
| 01:38.21 | riot | stoned: guess you also like "whoami", heh? ;) |
| 01:38.41 | concept10 | amphi, what happens when you run GTK or QT apps in openbox? how do they look? |
| 01:38.46 | transgress | Miesco: http://packages.debian.org/unstable/gnome/f-spot |
| 01:39.14 | Miesco | Okay I see |
| 01:39.14 | fsmunoz | But rather simple after a couple of hours. I use it since I can afford spend 15 minutes in each new location configuring it to detect it and what to do in there (proxies and stuff like that) |
| 01:39.26 | stoned | I got a great name for a debian based linux distribution. Doobian ! |
| 01:39.35 | pipeline | I'm pretty sure that's been done. |
| 01:39.50 | amphi | concept10: what can I say? I hardly run any qt progs; they look ok |
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| 01:40.02 | pipeline | see also lesbian gnu/linux and porn-get |
| 01:40.06 | amphi | stoned: *snort* |
| 01:40.06 | pipeline | (actual products) |
| 01:40.21 | amphi | actual? products? |
| 01:40.28 | fsmunoz | With more patience one couls use "whereami" detection part and cfengine to do the changes, cin cfengine has a richer syntax for editing all sort of stuff. |
| 01:40.34 | black_13 | stew sweet |
| 01:41.16 | concept10 | amphi, GTK apps look naked in openbox (without gnome themes) which is Win95 like and is horrible |
| 01:41.27 | riot | stoned: i know a pun called "debilian", which in english wouldn't work out. (like moronian) |
| 01:41.31 | amphi | concept10: so change the theme |
| 01:41.42 | stoned | concept10: I just read something crazy. Mohammad Suicmez of Necrophagist records everything clean, and adds effects later through software as well. He says that he can get an amazingly clean tone that way. And yeah, his solos and guitar playing is phenominal, tone, sound. I need to learn how to do this. Got any resources for me. I can't find stuff on google, the kind of software etc. Also, do I need to learn about electronics or someth |
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| 01:41.48 | riot | pipeline: porn-get and pornotube-dl are WONDERFUL tools :D |
| 01:41.49 | predder | riot, link to anti-cli statement? |
| 01:41.51 | fsmunoz | concept10, gtk-theme-swithc |
| 01:42.01 | stoned | concept10: I will be using debian more than likely for my recording studio type setup |
| 01:42.03 | yell0w | hey guys, is there anyway to recover a lost root password ? |
| 01:42.10 | yell0w | through sudo or something ? |
| 01:42.12 | amphi | yell0w: no |
| 01:42.13 | concept10 | stoned, you scared me with that one |
| 01:42.14 | stoned | concept10: so I could use some linux software. |
| 01:42.17 | predder | yell0w, recover or reset? |
| 01:42.17 | stoned | concept10: eh? |
| 01:42.24 | concept10 | stoned, I thought a bot was taking over |
| 01:42.24 | amphi | yell0w: just make a new one |
| 01:42.25 | fsmunoz | yell0w, to recover it no, to reset it yes |
| 01:42.32 | yell0w | how to reset ? |
| 01:42.33 | stoned | lol |
| 01:42.33 | yell0w | lol |
| 01:42.37 | predder | lol |
| 01:42.38 | riot | predder: huh? No, not anti-cli. Just anti-cli vs. network configuration (where they are right, imho, i did it through cli until now, and want to stop that) |
| 01:42.52 | black_13 | stew the reason i ask is im using debian-live and i am for all looking for any file that i can remove |
| 01:43.07 | concept10 | stoned, to recording I go... |
| 01:43.13 | stoned | lets head |
| 01:43.27 | unlink | trevor@delta:~$ iceweasel |
| 01:43.27 | unlink | Killed |
| 01:43.29 | fsmunoz | yell0w: you have forgot the root password and do not have any root shell opened ? |
| 01:43.40 | yell0w | fsmunoz, no |
| 01:43.40 | predder | riot, and if you had a laptop with no x server and wanted to configure the network to install it? ;) |
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| 01:44.01 | riot | predder: as usual, then |
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| 01:44.21 | riot | it hassle-free, but you gotta do it everytime... |
| 01:44.23 | fsmunoz | yell0w, no what? No I'm wring or no I'm right, you don0t have a root shell? |
| 01:44.26 | unlink | where else does iceweasel keep its per-user settings besides ~/.mozilla? |
| 01:44.32 | unlink | iceweasel works for other users |
| 01:44.32 | fsmunoz | s/wring/rught/ |
| 01:44.35 | fsmunoz | argh |
| 01:44.42 | yell0w | fsmunoz, i installed my system 2 days ago, and when i came back i could log in but not as root |
| 01:44.43 | unlink | but i can't get it to start even with moving my profile dir |
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| 01:45.11 | fsmunoz | yell0w, ok. You use GRUB? |
| 01:45.18 | yell0w | fsmunoz, yes |
| 01:45.23 | unlink | how do i debug an iceweasel crashing right on startup? |
| 01:45.55 | riot | .oO( and i don't even think about bluetooth-networking... ) |
| 01:45.57 | fsmunoz | yell0w, do a reboot, when GRUB menu appeasr press "e" in the default boot entry that you use, append "init=/bin/sh" to the kernel options |
| 01:46.18 | rpc | i have just installed imagemagick in debian and i can't find the path to it.. how can i do this? |
| 01:46.23 | riot | fsmunoz: you do that on my box and grub shoots at you ;) |
| 01:46.24 | rpc | whereis says nothing |
| 01:46.25 | fsmunoz | yell0w, then boot, a root shell will appear. |
| 01:46.29 | abrotman | dpkg -L <pkg> | grep bin |
| 01:46.30 | dpkg | No packages found matching <pkg> | grep bin |
| 01:46.40 | yell0w | fsmunoz, ahhhhh thank you |
| 01:46.43 | rpc | abrotman thank you |
| 01:46.54 | fsmunoz | riot, ehe, I'm assuming he didn't change any GRUB settings |
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| 01:47.16 | riot | fsmunoz: he _should_ remember, having put a password in there *g* |
| 01:47.19 | yell0w | fsmunoz, this is a new system so GRUB's still intact |
| 01:47.19 | rpc | really nice, thank you once again abrotman |
| 01:47.24 | predder | unlink, did you try running it from the command line to see error messages? |
| 01:47.26 | Xenguy | Hi - I'm trying to remember a command that is similar to 'id' - it tells you what 'groups' your userid is in -- ring any bells? |
| 01:47.29 | fsmunoz | yell0w, and this is why physical access == root access. Unless you use all sorts of passwords, which you are also likely to forget :D |
| 01:47.34 | predder | launching* |
| 01:47.44 | yell0w | fsmunoz, yes, lol |
| 01:47.55 | unlink | predder: yes |
| 01:47.59 | unlink | predder: i just get "Killed" |
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| 01:48.29 | mo1991 | can someone help me installing the citrix client on debian etch. Looking for libmotif3 package for etch but it doesn't seem to be in the etch repository - any help |
| 01:48.33 | yell0w | fsmunoz, btw, do you know when 4.0's coming out ? |
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| 01:48.52 | blazemong | anyone here run sid? |
| 01:48.57 | fsmunoz | yell0w, yes, Real Soon Now |
| 01:48.59 | unlink | blazemong: <-- |
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| 01:49.20 | predder | unlink, so you removed your ~/.mozilla dir? no idea then sorry that's weird that it works for other users.. try running "dpkg -L iceweasel" to see the file locations |
| 01:49.21 | yell0w | fsmunoz, ok thanks |
| 01:49.24 | fsmunoz | yell0w, ehe, no idea... there is a list of release-critical bus somewhere, around 120 of them to go last time I checked |
| 01:49.28 | unlink | predder: nothing even with with --safe-mode |
| 01:49.33 | yell0w | oh, lol |
| 01:49.38 | yell0w | so it'll be a while then |
| 01:49.45 | fsmunoz | yell0w, perhaps not... |
| 01:49.45 | blazemong | how do i build a debian sid distro? |
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| 01:50.13 | fsmunoz | I do not have any special info on this, but perhaps before the Summer... just a gut feeling. |
| 01:50.19 | blazemong | in etch i tried to install gcc-4.0-locales but gcc-4.0 isn't in the repositories |
| 01:50.29 | fsmunoz | I've been wrong before though. Severely wrong. And many times. |
| 01:50.35 | yell0w | fsmunoz, are they gonna change the installation steps ? |
| 01:50.36 | agent | !sid | blazemong |
| 01:50.49 | yell0w | it's kind of tough for a newbie |
| 01:51.12 | unlink | predder: what about dpkg -L? how does that help? |
| 01:51.17 | agent | !unstable |
| 01:51.17 | dpkg | methinks unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 01:51.24 | fsmunoz | yell0w, no idea really... as I said, I'm not particulary "in the loop" in what concerns 4.0... |
| 01:51.36 | predder | unlink, you wanted to know where else it installs files, dpkg -L will tell you that |
| 01:51.38 | sparr | is there any easy way to recursively rmmod "in use" modules? |
| 01:51.45 | yell0w | fsmunoz, :) thanks for everything |
| 01:51.50 | fsmunoz | yell0w, yw |
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| 01:51.57 | stew | sparr: modprobe -r moulename ? |
| 01:51.59 | unlink | predder: oh, no, that's not what i wanted to know. i wanted to know where else it stored per-user data files |
| 01:52.15 | sparr | stew: no |
| 01:52.17 | blazemong | so stable is the best way right? |
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| 01:52.56 | amphi | yell0w: http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
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| 01:53.25 | predder | unlink. I don't know sorry. Poke around in /etc/iceweasel/profile perhaps? |
| 01:53.39 | yell0w | thanks amphi |
| 01:53.42 | fsmunoz | yell0w, yes, looks like I was wrong by s small 400. |
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| 01:53.50 | yell0w | lol |
| 01:53.54 | unlink | predder: that would be common to all users |
| 01:53.56 | fsmunoz | What's that between friends anyway :) |
| 01:54.09 | yell0w | just 400, small minor detail |
| 01:54.16 | fsmunoz | Indeed. |
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| 01:57.08 | stew | fsmunoz: yell0w: "number of bugs concerning the next release" is what you are interested in, which is probably close to 100 |
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| 01:57.54 | fsmunoz | yell0w, ahh, but the real number is 107 |
| 01:58.42 | riot | transgress: no, network-manager's best action was to shutdown my network (in that event cause x2x to die painfully) and not do anything more.. |
| 01:58.52 | redcliffe | hi i've got a bad problem - i've mucked up one setting on my root filesystem in fstab, and now it's remounting ro every time, i can't edit fstab to fix it |
| 01:59.01 | redcliffe | how can i override the fstab settings to remount rw? |
| 01:59.23 | riot | .oO( and whytf does killing x2x's connection cause mouse AND keyboard to die on the originating box.. awful! ) |
| 01:59.24 | enouf | shutdown -rF |
| 01:59.27 | fsmunoz | unlink, ~/.mozilla/forefox/<somerandomgarbage>.default/ |
| 01:59.58 | fsmunoz | Not sure id this is what you were asking |
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| 02:00.01 | riot | huh. i think, i'll write my own network-manager. |
| 02:00.24 | fsmunoz | Expect a ping timeout for riot soon :) |
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| 02:00.37 | riot | fsmunoz: nonoo. i use screen :P |
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| 02:00.43 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 02:00.46 | riot | (and a third and a fourth box) |
| 02:01.28 | riot | though, one of these "crappy"-configured network-manangement-tools managed to assign my notebook my server's ip-address.. that was a cool one, too, heh :) |
| 02:01.42 | redcliffe | is there anyway to override setting in fstab when mounting? |
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| 02:02.23 | fsmunoz | riot, NM has worked pretty well when I used it I must say... my requirements were simple though, and didn't involve static IP's |
| 02:03.04 | riot | fsmunoz: hmm. i guess i could avoid static ips. But i won't work with gnome or kde, as they are big productivity-brakes. |
| 02:03.34 | riot | and somehow dhcp went awfully with network-manager. Dunno why. |
| 02:03.44 | fsmunoz | riot, the NM daemon itself is DE agnostic I think |
| 02:04.28 | fsmunoz | It uses dbus and little else I think |
| 02:05.29 | agent | riot: What do you use x2x for? How do you use it? I am curious how you are more productive with it. |
| 02:05.36 | riot | hmm. it failed here. I don't know why, or what it tried. Just saw a dhcp-client popping up in ps, which didn't get an ip. |
| 02:05.47 | Eke3 | what does "/etc/init.d/inetd restart" do ? |
| 02:05.55 | riot | agent: i'm trying to avoid typing on my notebook-keyboard with dirty fingers. |
| 02:06.26 | riot | agent: to be more precise: i connect my workspaces here together, so i can use one mouse and one keyboard for many machines. |
| 02:06.39 | fsmunoz | riot: IIRC to nm-applet to work you must remove any /etc/network/interfaces configuration |
| 02:06.40 | Eke3 | coz i unplugged my ethernet from my linux box and used it for my xbox 360, i replugged and now my internet isn't working |
| 02:06.43 | riot | agent: sad thing is, x2x has many bugs and doesn't like to get interrupted. |
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| 02:06.48 | fsmunoz | riot, it will not touch any interfeace listed there |
| 02:07.03 | riot | fsmunoz: i switched every device to dhcp, as specified in README.Debian.. |
| 02:07.18 | Eke3 | any idea why? |
| 02:07.34 | fsmunoz | riot, oh, ok then... I didn't do that, I just commented them all out |
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| 02:07.51 | riot | Eke3: inetd restart does reload /etc/inetd.conf .. i wouldn't blame that one. |
| 02:07.53 | fsmunoz | But if it's in the README.Debian it must be correct |
| 02:08.00 | Wyzard | riot: Don't switch them to DHCP in the interfaces file... comment them out or remove them entirely |
| 02:08.14 | riot | aye, i'll give that a try. |
| 02:08.23 | riot | (now that x2x is dead anyway ;) |
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| 02:08.36 | Eke3 | riot, how can i restart my internet? |
| 02:08.39 | Eke3 | without restarting |
| 02:08.43 | Wyzard | riot: NetworkManager completely ignores any interface that's defined in the interfaces file |
| 02:08.48 | Wyzard | Eke3: ifdown eth0; ifup eth0 |
| 02:08.54 | Eke3 | i see |
| 02:08.55 | Eke3 | thanks |
| 02:09.04 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 02:09.09 | agent | riot: Dirty fingers? You could just hook an external keyboard up could you not? Also, why do you need to connect multiple computers up? Could you not just do your work on one computer and if need be, propogate your files to the other computers? |
| 02:09.25 | riot | agent: ENoSpaceLeftOnTable |
| 02:09.50 | riot | Wyzard: oh, the readme speaks other tongue |
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| 02:10.23 | riot | agent: no. not really. |
| 02:10.35 | Eke3 | abrotman, that one worked |
| 02:10.36 | Eke3 | thanks |
| 02:10.43 | agent | riot: Okay. |
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| 02:10.48 | CakerX | sup |
| 02:11.18 | CakerX | does anyone know how I can autoconfig a video card with X in debian |
| 02:11.22 | CakerX | I am in gnome |
| 02:12.02 | fsmunoz | CakerX, if you're in GNOME... doesn't that mean that your card is defined correctly? |
| 02:12.51 | riot | aye, removing the entries makes it work better. |
| 02:12.55 | riot | now lets see... |
| 02:13.26 | fsmunoz | CakerX, anyway, "Xorg -config" in the console autodetects and generates a config file... you can use that or just copy the "Device" section of the graphic card (prefered, due to font paths and other configs) |
| 02:13.43 | n3kl | Where is the mysql database stored |
| 02:13.44 | n3kl | ? |
| 02:14.22 | stephans | how do i see what the '+' means in drwx------+ 2 HADES\andrei HADES\domain users 6 2006-11-15 19:34 andrei |
| 02:14.34 | stephans | and what does the number infront of the folder and the owners name mean? |
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| 02:15.29 | riot | HAHAHALOLS! "The network-manager-applet could not find required ressources and thus cannot continue." |
| 02:15.30 | Wyzard | stephans: The '+' means it has additional ACL permissions that can't be displayed in the normal user/group/other format |
| 02:15.36 | Wyzard | stephans: Use "getfacl" to see them |
| 02:15.46 | riot | .oO( guess, it was looking for the gnome-panel-stuff ) |
| 02:16.06 | Ubuh-Huntuh | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.31 | agent | CakerX: You can use the GNOME admin programs for basic configuration, use Xorg -config or use dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg (or whatever the package is) |
| 02:17.24 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: You could look up the processor model online, or try booting the amd64 Debian installer on it... |
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| 02:17.54 | agent | CakerX: dpkg-reconfigure will create a proper config, but *will* ask questions that you must answer, Xconfig as fsmunoz mentioned is automated but will not create a proper config that fits in with your Debian system |
| 02:17.59 | stephans | Wyzard - cool ok |
| 02:18.01 | Ubuh-Huntuh | kk |
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| 02:21.40 | n3kl | do you need to open port 123 for ntp clients to update their time? or is that just for the server? |
| 02:22.40 | Wyzard | n3kl: When people talk about open ports, they usually mean open for incoming traffic, and that's only needed on the server |
| 02:22.55 | riot | guess what.. network-manager-kde works ion-compliant.. doesn't look bad.. |
| 02:22.59 | Wyzard | n3kl: The client needs outbound port 123 open, but that's not likely to be blocked anyway |
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| 02:23.07 | Xenguy | n3kl: If you are a client, then you would be behind your own firewall, and no modification would be necessary - I think |
| 02:23.11 | CakerX | it can't find Xorg |
| 02:23.17 | CakerX | or xorg |
| 02:23.19 | fsmunoz | riot, ion3 has a way to show applets and stuff? |
| 02:23.33 | n3kl | Wyzard: thats what I thought, I jsut didn't know if ntp worked differently |
| 02:23.48 | riot | fsmunoz: sure :) next to its statusbar |
| 02:24.00 | riot | fsmunoz: at least ion3. i think ion2 can do so, too |
| 02:24.10 | fsmunoz | n3kl, to test it you can use "ntpdate -u <ntp-server>" |
| 02:24.30 | fsmunoz | riot, ok, thanks. |
| 02:24.40 | riot | fsmunoz: though, i dunno about gnome- or wm-apps et al |
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| 02:26.19 | unlink | predder: i don't think it's iceweasel at all. epiphany suffers the same problem. |
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| 02:27.51 | CakerX | ok |
| 02:27.56 | CakerX | foung the reconfigure |
| 02:28.10 | CakerX | I've got a GeForce 5200 mx |
| 02:28.19 | CakerX | what is this thing listed under |
| 02:28.30 | fsmunoz | nv or nvidia |
| 02:28.41 | fsmunoz | Depending on free/closed drivers |
| 02:28.45 | riot | CakerX: do you have that one running via nvidia's glx driver? Can you post glxgears-results? Or quake3-fps? |
| 02:28.51 | enouf | epiphany uses the moz engine(s) |
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| 02:29.11 | riot | CakerX: (i have the same, and i suspect some driver-problems, because it seems awfully slow) |
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| 02:30.18 | unlink | both iceweasel and epiphany crash immediately when they start. |
| 02:30.24 | unlink | (receiving SIGKILL) |
| 02:30.37 | Kevin` | unlink, any error message? |
| 02:30.39 | unlink | no |
| 02:30.44 | unlink | just "Killed." |
| 02:30.47 | riot | unlink: move your .mozilla out of the way to see, wether its your profile. |
| 02:30.48 | unlink | even with safe mode. |
| 02:30.52 | unlink | it's not |
| 02:30.53 | Eke3 | hey, i accidentally deleted "/var/apt/lists", what do i do? |
| 02:31.04 | Kevin` | mozilla has a safe mode? |
| 02:31.04 | unlink | riot: epiphany doesn't use ~/.mozilla |
| 02:31.08 | unlink | iceweasel does |
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| 02:31.55 | unlink | Eke3: apt-get update |
| 02:31.58 | enouf | unlink: not here |
| 02:32.06 | unlink | enouf: ? |
| 02:32.14 | Eke3 | E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/apt/lists/lock - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 02:32.14 | Eke3 | E: Unable to lock the list directory |
| 02:32.23 | Eke3 | i got that error |
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| 02:32.25 | enouf | ? |
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| 02:32.47 | unlink | Eke3: sudo mkdir -p /var/lib/apt/lists && sudo apt-get update |
| 02:33.07 | Eke3 | E: Lists directory /var/lib/apt/lists/partial is missing. |
| 02:33.13 | unlink | Eke3: make that too |
| 02:33.36 | Eke3 | W: You may want to update the package lists to correct these missing files |
| 02:33.36 | Eke3 | W: Warning: could not lock the cache file. Opening in read-only mode |
| 02:33.42 | Eke3 | i fucked up my sources.list man |
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| 02:34.21 | unlink | make a new one. deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian YOURDISTHERE main |
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| 02:35.25 | CakerX | heh |
| 02:35.27 | Smerdyakov | Is there a standard version of the kstart package for stable? |
| 02:35.31 | CakerX | I really don't run linux on the desktop |
| 02:35.38 | CakerX | this is not my primary machine |
| 02:36.07 | CakerX | I think glide should work |
| 02:36.13 | Eke3 | unlink, imma show you my current sources.list, tell me what's wrong with it |
| 02:36.18 | Eke3 | !pastebin |
| 02:36.18 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
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| 02:36.45 | Wyzard | CakerX: glide is not the driver for a geforce... |
| 02:36.56 | Wyzard | CakerX: glide is for old 3dfx cards |
| 02:37.01 | Eke3 | unlink, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5355 |
| 02:37.08 | Eke3 | tell me what's wrong with it |
| 02:37.18 | Wyzard | CakerX: Use "nv" or "nvidia" |
| 02:37.30 | JeffH | anyone know if Etch is gonna be released sooner rather than later or later rather than sooner? |
| 02:37.54 | Wyzard | JeffH: The RC bug count is 111 right now |
| 02:37.55 | unlink | Eke3: try commenting out the line deb http://security.debian.org/ sarge/updates main |
| 02:38.11 | enouf | unlink: |
| 02:38.13 | enouf | tree... Done |
| 02:38.13 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.13 | enouf | libmozjs0d |
| 02:38.13 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:38.33 | Eke3 | unlink, why? |
| 02:38.41 | unlink | Eke3: i don't know if that's correct |
| 02:38.50 | enouf | apt-rdepends epiphany-browser | grep moz <-- results |
| 02:39.18 | awbassett | Eke3: sorry, I joined late, what is the issue you're having. I currently have your sources.list open |
| 02:39.52 | Eke3 | ok awbassett, imma show you the error |
| 02:39.53 | Eke3 | hold on |
| 02:40.08 | Eke3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5356 |
| 02:40.09 | enouf | nice crap eh? --> apt-cache show libmozjs0d |
| 02:40.30 | Eke3 | i always get that error when i "sudo apt-get update" |
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| 02:40.49 | awbassett | Eke3: ok so look at your sources.list |
| 02:40.54 | Eke3 | ok |
| 02:40.56 | Eke3 | im looking |
| 02:41.04 | awbassett | what is different in the first grouping as compared to the second |
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| 02:41.11 | awbassett | and what is the error? |
| 02:41.16 | awbassett | see where I'm getting at? |
| 02:41.21 | Eke3 | what do you mean |
| 02:41.43 | dendrite | Eke3: What all did you delete? |
| 02:41.48 | awbassett | in the 'main' section you end the URL with /debian/ |
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| 02:42.06 | Eke3 | its been like that (i think) |
| 02:42.11 | awbassett | Eke3: and then you list main again the 2nd grouping w/o /debian |
| 02:42.14 | Bonkers- | how can I install all the deps needed for a specific .deb file that I have? |
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| 02:42.19 | CakerX | thanks |
| 02:42.30 | Eke3 | dendrite, i don't know, just like i said, i messed it up |
| 02:42.45 | Eke3 | awbassett, so you want me to add /debian/ on the other one? |
| 02:42.49 | dendrite | Eke3: Well, what makes you think the issue is with your sources.list? |
| 02:43.05 | Eke3 | dendrite, have you seen the error? |
| 02:43.09 | Eke3 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5356 |
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| 02:43.49 | dendrite | Eke3: Looks like broken mirrors. |
| 02:44.01 | JeffH | hm.. 111 RC bugs.. that seems like a lot.. sounds like it'll be summertime before its released. |
| 02:44.16 | awbassett | Eke: use the 1st two lines, add non-free and contrib, and then comment out the 3rd and the 4th |
| 02:44.17 | Eke3 | nice, awbassett, it worked, i just added "/debian/" on the 3rd and 4th lines |
| 02:44.49 | Eke3 | i don't know if its working right though, but i didn't get no error |
| 02:45.08 | CakerX | it says "no screens found" |
| 02:45.11 | fsmunoz | Bonkers-, you could try gdebi |
| 02:45.12 | CakerX | when I "startx" |
| 02:45.13 | awbassett | Eke3: you shouldn't have it the current way you do |
| 02:45.17 | abrotman | !Noscreensfond |
| 02:45.19 | abrotman | !Noscreensfound |
| 02:45.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your xorg log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 02:45.27 | Eke3 | awbassett, but it used to work with those lines |
| 02:45.31 | CakerX | thanks |
| 02:45.36 | Eke3 | 3rd and 4th lines i meant |
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| 02:46.24 | Bonkers- | fsmunoz: thanks |
| 02:46.29 | awbassett | Eke3: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5357 |
| 02:46.58 | fsmunoz | Bonkers-, yw |
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| 02:47.31 | Eke3 | awbassett, so you want me to remove the "main" ones? |
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| 02:47.53 | Eke3 | i had both "non-free" and "main" and they used to work |
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| 02:48.07 | Eke3 | i think i just delete a slash or a word, i don't know |
| 02:48.12 | Eke3 | d |
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| 02:48.29 | CakerX | w00t |
| 02:48.30 | CakerX | it works |
| 02:48.36 | CakerX | your all awesome |
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| 02:51.15 | Eke3 | unlink, do i even need "non-free" |
| 02:51.17 | Eke3 | ? |
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| 02:53.06 | amphi | Eke3: vrms will be happy if you don't ;) |
| 02:53.30 | unlink | Eke3: depends. |
| 02:53.36 | unlink | Eke3: are you using non-free software? |
| 02:53.48 | unlink | Eke3: you're "encouraged" not too |
| 02:54.09 | amphi | !vrms |
| 02:54.09 | dpkg | i guess vrms is The Virtual Richard M. Stallman for Debian GNU/Linux, now included with every fresh potato! Good for sniffing out those pesky non-free software... apt-get install vrms |
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| 02:56.06 | Eke3 | unlink, i am |
| 02:56.22 | unlink | Eke3: then you probably do need it |
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| 02:57.49 | marcopau | hey I need to build an initrd image on a remote mounted disk |
| 02:57.55 | marcopau | if I chroot to that and do mkinitrd it says the device /dev/hda1 does not exist |
| 02:58.01 | Eke3 | i think i fixed it |
| 02:58.13 | marcopau | by remote I mean secondary, not the one actually running |
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| 02:58.24 | alephant | Hi all |
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| 02:58.32 | Eke3 | i was missing the word "debian" after the 3rd/4th line |
| 02:58.55 | alephant | Need to recompile the kernel package -- NOT make-kpkg, closer to dpkg-buildpackage -- but I want to tweak the .config before I do so |
| 02:59.05 | squisher | HDDs are supposed to be faster on the "outside" right? |
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| 02:59.08 | unlink | what should i do about my browser problem? |
| 02:59.17 | alephant | I want exactly the stock kernel, but with a different timer frequency and preempt |
| 02:59.24 | alephant | anybody know how to do this? |
| 02:59.47 | squisher | alephant: doesn't linux-source include the config that's used to create the stock kernel? |
| 03:00.02 | amphi | alephant: you still use make-kpkg; use debian source, and make the config mods you want, and make-kpkg it |
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| 03:00.36 | amphi | there's always the config in /boot in any case |
| 03:00.36 | alephant | wow |
| 03:01.04 | alephant | I've tried several different ways, and I always wind up with a screwy version number so that my modules-nonfree don't insmod |
| 03:01.50 | squisher | alephant: you can specify the version number with make-kpkg, AFAIK |
| 03:02.08 | alephant | yeah, but it takes too long for trial-and-error to be efficacious :-) |
| 03:02.50 | dendrite | alephant: Try reading the make-kpkg man page. |
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| 03:03.07 | dvs | howdy |
| 03:03.47 | enouf | !rmssmite amphi |
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| 03:04.00 | enouf | O.o |
| 03:04.04 | alephant | dendrite: yeah... I'm starting to think that might be the right route. |
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| 03:04.13 | dvs | oh dear god! |
| 03:04.24 | alephant | I"ll note that you folks are VASTLY more helpful than #ubuntu |
| 03:04.27 | enouf | heh |
| 03:04.52 | alephant | Once you get past the "how do I make flash work? What's a "sticky window"?" they're pretty much useless :-b |
| 03:05.00 | robin_sz | no shit |
| 03:05.30 | enouf | er .. typos |
| 03:05.34 | alephant | ooh. kinky! |
| 03:05.36 | robin_sz | all that remians now is for you complete your transition to normality and install Debian |
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| 03:06.04 | alephant | I have been a debian zealot since 1999 :-) |
| 03:06.05 | mike__ | okay the stalk kernel loads some Funky VGA console driver at boot time, that my monitor dont like so much, is there any way to Disable it ? |
| 03:06.31 | enouf | darn S nicks .. too many .. hehe |
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| 03:06.40 | dendrite | !gentoosmite Supaplex |
| 03:07.24 | robin_sz | alephant, well, what on earth possessed you to ask in #ubuntu then? |
| 03:07.35 | hello_hello_hel | hello i have a problem, the package descriptions at packages.debian.org are diffrent then the ones at apt-get. is there somthing that could help me from having to guess what i type in apt-get? |
| 03:08.03 | dendrite | hello_hello_hel: Try apt-cache show <package> |
| 03:08.05 | robin_sz | mmm .. apt-cache search? |
| 03:08.12 | hello_hello_hel | ok thanks :) |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | hello_hello_hel: sometimes p.d.o is out of date |
| 03:08.16 | alephant | robin_sz: because I'm running Ubuntu, obviously :-D |
| 03:08.26 | fsmunoz | HEATHEN!!! |
| 03:08.28 | dendrite | hello_hello_hel: And ehat robin_sz says, you can do apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 03:08.30 | fsmunoz | ehehe, j/k |
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| 03:08.41 | enouf | !honestyawardsmite alephant |
| 03:08.50 | dendrite | !ubuntusmite alephant |
| 03:08.52 | robin_sz | alephant, well thats pretty weird behaviour for a Debain zealot |
| 03:08.54 | Wolfcastle | hello_hello_hel: or aptitude search <keywords> |
| 03:09.00 | dendrite | Eeek! |
| 03:09.10 | alephant | That's an AWESOME analogy. |
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| 03:09.49 | dvs | Isn't CO2 based on CO? |
| 03:09.59 | robin_sz | !paster |
| 03:10.01 | transgress | umm no |
| 03:10.01 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:10.05 | transgress | not a good analogy |
| 03:10.08 | dendrite | dvs: No. "Based on" is not the same as "bigger than." |
| 03:10.19 | transgress | wait nm... that is a good analogy |
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| 03:10.44 | transgress | heh i remember the early days of ubuntu. it was debian... with different graphics |
| 03:10.46 | alephant | ok. I'm not working on the problem because I'm still on IRC. |
| 03:10.48 | alephant | This always happens. |
| 03:10.51 | fsmunoz | ehe |
| 03:10.59 | hello_hello_hel | !ubuntusmite test123 |
| 03:11.02 | robin_sz | the whole debian/ubuntu/kubuntu thing ... remnds me of .. http://channels.debian.net/paste/5358 |
| 03:11.07 | hello_hello_hel | oops |
| 03:11.12 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 03:11.14 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 03:11.16 | amphi | enouf: sorry, only just noticed your smite - many thanks ;) |
| 03:11.57 | hello_hello_hel | what does !ubuntusmite do? |
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| 03:12.03 | robin_sz | sigh .. 3am and I have to be up at 7am ... dang. |
| 03:12.04 | enouf | amphi: my pleasure .. anytime .. rms and I got he beard grime :-) |
| 03:12.07 | fsmunoz | robin_sz, eh, I had heard that one with emacs as the final subject |
| 03:12.15 | transgress | robin_sz: that was fantastic |
| 03:12.22 | dendrite | hello_hello_hel: It tells the bot to say silly things. /msg dpkg ubuntusmite foo to check it out. |
| 03:12.33 | transgress | especially since i live in alabama and i get to see that all too often |
| 03:12.38 | robin_sz | transgress, its even funnier when Emo tells it |
| 03:12.45 | transgress | unless i mention i'm an atheist and then it's "Christians UNITE!" |
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| 03:13.28 | enouf | ~love hello_hello_hel |
| 03:13.39 | apt | If you love hello_hello_hel so much, why don't you marry it? (oooooh) |
| 03:13.40 | robin_sz | transgress, at the risk of bringing religion into it .. I tend to settle on Humanist these days, rather than atheist |
| 03:13.40 | enouf | bah .. |
| 03:13.51 | enouf | ooo .. a lil' late |
| 03:14.11 | enouf | that's my gal apt |
| 03:14.20 | transgress | being an atheist is something i'm quite proud of. which doesn't ever help matters. |
| 03:14.23 | transgress | heh |
| 03:14.25 | Gnea | robin_sz: atheism is no different than christianity, LDS or islam - each group has its own set of idiots :) |
| 03:14.26 | hello_hello_hel | lol |
| 03:14.27 | abrotman | try #religion |
| 03:14.40 | enouf | Stone Temple Dialects? |
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| 03:15.21 | transgress | Gnea: it is different however... idiots they may be... they don't have the habit of killing others for believing in god. |
| 03:15.27 | alephant | hey all, thanks for the help on The Debian Way to rebuild kernels -- I'll go and think about how it applies to Ubuntu, the carbon monoxide of distros. |
| 03:15.40 | Gnea | transgress: this conversation ends now. |
| 03:15.44 | robin_sz | Gnea, true enough ... but I'd rather be in the group of idiots that doesnt believe in a magic-sky-pixie if thats alright with you ;) |
| 03:15.47 | fsmunoz | alephant, ehe. It should be the same |
| 03:15.51 | transgress | Gnea: just saying. ;) |
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| 03:16.00 | enouf | !penixsmite channel |
| 03:16.09 | amphi | alephant: pretty much identically |
| 03:16.09 | robin_sz | probably a good time to quit that topic ... |
| 03:16.13 | alephant | !penixsmite |
| 03:16.17 | alephant | ? |
| 03:16.18 | amphi | alephant: I would think |
| 03:16.26 | Gnea | robin_sz: sorry, i don't see where you're coming from on the second half, but oh well ;) |
| 03:16.43 | alephant | amphi: So I thought as well. Let's see whether I can get off IRC in time to test it :-) |
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| 03:16.50 | alephant | Such a time-sink. |
| 03:16.53 | transgress | google needs to purchase last.fm |
| 03:17.02 | robin_sz | eh? |
| 03:17.03 | transgress | i don't like this whole network woes thing it is having |
| 03:17.10 | robin_sz | you mean there is somehting google DOESNT own? |
| 03:17.11 | fsmunoz | Ehe, if you think that that subject is perilous, we had a national referendum here today about abortion :) |
| 03:17.14 | amphi | !penixsnack alephant |
| 03:17.23 | Gnea | transgress: how will last.fm make it any better? |
| 03:17.40 | transgress | make what better? make google better? |
| 03:18.00 | Gnea | whatever it is that's sucking that you're referring to |
| 03:18.03 | kdean06 | This may sound like an odd question, but does anyone know of any reason why my DVD doesn't click when using Debian? For instance, booting or burning a CD with Ubuntu, or a few other Debian derivatives (Kanotix) my drive makes a grinding sound. Debian Sarge and Etch do not, and this is quite consistant. |
| 03:18.06 | amphi | fsmunoz: the streets ran with blood? |
| 03:18.21 | transgress | Gnea: they are having downtime due to way too much traffic coming their way |
| 03:18.29 | Gnea | kdean06: sounds like your drive is on the way out the door |
| 03:18.40 | alephant | kdean06: Try comparing the output of hdparm among the clicking and non-clicking distros? |
| 03:18.50 | Gnea | transgress: again, hiring last.fm would solve this how? |
| 03:18.57 | fsmunoz | amphi, well, not that much heath... but some of the arguments used were actually of that sort |
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| 03:19.11 | kdean06 | Gnea, Yeah, I'm sure it is. :) alephant, thanks, good idea. :) |
| 03:19.13 | amphi | fsmunoz: where is this? |
| 03:19.17 | transgress | hiring last.fm? |
| 03:19.20 | fsmunoz | amphi, Portugal |
| 03:19.25 | amphi | fsmunoz: ah |
| 03:19.48 | fsmunoz | Ehe, liked that "ah" |
| 03:19.55 | fsmunoz | Like "ah, that explaisn a lot" |
| 03:19.57 | fsmunoz | :D |
| 03:20.10 | Gnea | transgress: ok forget it, like any other georgian, you are illiterate, i'm putting you on /ignore now |
| 03:20.14 | alephant | make-kpkg is slogging along. |
| 03:20.16 | transgress | i suppose that's one way to look at it... and i suppose it would make it better the same way del.icio.us got better uptime when yahoo bought them? |
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| 03:20.21 | alephant | Thanks for the tips |
| 03:20.22 | transgress | i'm not georgian |
| 03:20.24 | transgress | and wtf was that |
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| 03:20.30 | alephant | Will be back if it "doesn't work" >:-) |
| 03:20.31 | transgress | who the fuck is this gnea person? |
| 03:20.45 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:20.46 | xerophyte | how reliable DVD backup for a data just wondering ? |
| 03:20.49 | Gnea | heh |
| 03:21.15 | h3xis | how do i tell which version of glibc i have? |
| 03:21.16 | alephant | transgress: obviously s?he has Georgia on his/her mind |
| 03:22.21 | amphi | fsmunoz: .pt still groans under the yoke of the church, I imagine ;) |
| 03:22.51 | Gnea | transgress: sorry, just stating a fact... not everyone in georgia is like that, but in my experience, the vast majority don't seem to understand that you can't just go around and lay your foot down on an issue in an absolute matter without starting some sort of conflict :) |
| 03:23.15 | fsmunoz | amphi, well, for you Protestants it "groans", around here "it remains forever faithful to the One True Church". So, the answer is yes, but the twist is different, ehe |
| 03:23.24 | robin_sz | xerophyte, well, they are cheap .. and very high density. in terms of backups, thats got some plus point (like you are actually likely to do them) and some bad points (like possible corruption and degradation) probably OK for semi-serious stuff, but not up there with tapes or rsync'd drives |
| 03:23.34 | fsmunoz | (I used "you" in a cultural context, not refering to your personal views) |
| 03:23.36 | dendrite | h3xis: dpkg -l libc6 |
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| 03:23.55 | amphi | fsmunoz: heh |
| 03:24.06 | xjkx | i have an AVI file and i want it to be a vcd file to play on dvd since i dont have dvd-writing-driver, what program should i use? |
| 03:24.09 | Gnea | transgress: and i've been around long enough to know better, so before you go asking who i am, perhaps you should divulge some information on who YOU are |
| 03:24.13 | h3xis | ty dendrite ^^ |
| 03:24.20 | amphi | xjkx: vcdtoosl |
| 03:24.26 | amphi | xjkx: er, vcdtools |
| 03:24.31 | scv | hi |
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| 03:25.28 | xjkx | amphi, apt-get says i have it installed but i cant call the binary vcdtools :> |
| 03:25.42 | transgress | Gnea: i have no reason for explaining. i'm not the one who through around insults. it's not my fault i wasn't sure what the fuck you were talking about. |
| 03:25.45 | amphi | xjkx: ah, no |
| 03:25.50 | dendrite | xjkx: dpkg -L vcdtools | grep -w bin |
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| 03:26.05 | xjkx | thanks guys |
| 03:26.09 | amphi | xjkx: read the docs in /usr/share/doc/vcdtools also perhaps |
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| 03:26.21 | amphi | xjkx: vcd sucks BTW ;) |
| 03:26.22 | peery__ | has anyone here had problems with firefox (2.0.0.1) and unusually high load? |
| 03:26.24 | robin_sz | sigh ... I knew it woud turn out bad when the topic turned to religion ... |
| 03:26.25 | unlink | minor browser issues: http://rafb.net/p/cZEX8620.txt |
| 03:26.30 | xjkx | will do, ty =] |
| 03:26.43 | amphi | xjkx: there's also svcd IIRC which is a slightly less crap resolution |
| 03:26.46 | transgress | robin_sz: ha this isn't in reference to the whole religion thing at all |
| 03:26.52 | Gnea | transgress: i was being very specific, actually. once i threw out a so-called insult, you did nothing but launch into a frenzy of offensive idiocy, thus proving my point. please, calm down. |
| 03:26.55 | transgress | robin_sz: it was when i said google should buy last.fm that things went sour |
| 03:27.15 | unlink | that is, each of iceweasel, iceape and epiphany receive SIGKILL immediately after starting up |
| 03:27.18 | dendrite | OK, Let's not have a flame-out, eh? |
| 03:27.25 | dvs | awwwwwwww |
| 03:27.32 | Gnea | exactly, and all i did was ask how buying last.fm would make google better |
| 03:27.36 | abrotman | robin_sz: go to bed |
| 03:27.39 | Gnea | and all i got was bullshit in response |
| 03:27.42 | transgress | calling me illiterate isn't a so-called insult. it's an insult. and exactly what is this "frenzy" of idiocy that i've been performing? |
| 03:27.48 | xjkx | amphi, svcd keeps the file bigger than vcd right? its not a movie, just a thing about universe, so resolution is not that big deal but space yes, heheehe :> |
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| 03:27.55 | robin_sz | abrotman, probably the sanest idea of the morning |
| 03:27.55 | Gnea | transgress: it's an insult if it's true. |
| 03:28.02 | abrotman | Gnea: or you could just drop it as the lunitical ranting of yes another person in #debian |
| 03:28.04 | abrotman | yet |
| 03:28.13 | Ronin | go to your corners children and come back later |
| 03:28.34 | Gnea | abrotman: fair enough |
| 03:28.44 | transgress | Gnea: that's not how insults work. it's an insult if it was meant to be insulting. and google doesn't have to purchase things just to make google better. they can purchase things because the projects would make them money. |
| 03:28.52 | Ronin | transgress: let it go |
| 03:28.57 | Gnea | transgress: give up. |
| 03:28.59 | abrotman | transgress: drop it |
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| 03:29.10 | enouf | transgress: ok .. frontal lobotomy .. you got me? WHY would last.fm, or even last.penis make google better? .. wtf? |
| 03:29.19 | abrotman | bottle in front ofme |
| 03:29.23 | amphi | xjkx: higher res means bigger files normally, but it may use better compression - you'll have to read the docs; IIRC the cd writing howto at tldp.org has a bit about vcd too |
| 03:29.28 | Ronin | better a bottle in front of, never mind, damn you abrotman |
| 03:29.29 | enouf | oops :-P |
| 03:29.44 | xjkx | sure :) |
| 03:29.52 | enouf | well .. who gives a fuck about google anyways? |
| 03:30.11 | robin_sz | right ... BEDTIME! .. have fun unti next weeks fun-packed episode :) |
| 03:30.13 | abrotman | enouf: shuddup already |
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| 03:30.24 | Gnea | !sunday |
| 03:30.25 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 03:30.28 | enouf | meh .. go away you b0z0s |
| 03:30.29 | transgress | as i said. it doesn't have to make it better. it has to make it money. google wasn't connected to blogs originally. and for most users them owning blogger means nothing, however, to them, it offers them a chance to get in on the grounds of something they see as successful. and something they can make better. |
| 03:30.49 | transgress | anyways i'm done. |
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| 03:30.59 | mhiku | how to set POSIX-compliant shell? |
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| 03:31.18 | unlink | try export POSIXLY_CORRECT=1 |
| 03:31.28 | Gnea | clothes |
| 03:31.32 | amphi | transgress: /j #google |
| 03:31.34 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:32.00 | abrotman | transgress: are you broken ? |
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| 03:32.57 | unlink | what other browsers should i try (since iceape, iceweasel and epiphany don't work)? |
| 03:33.05 | mhiku | where can i download chsh? |
| 03:33.12 | dendrite | unlink: Opera? |
| 03:33.14 | abrotman | they all use the same rendering engine |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | konq ? |
| 03:33.19 | abrotman | amaya ? |
| 03:33.19 | transgress | unlink: depends you want OSS or not? |
| 03:33.25 | unlink | transgress: yes please |
| 03:33.26 | abrotman | !tell mhiku about search |
| 03:33.32 | neekofab | unlink dillo |
| 03:33.40 | transgress | unlink: well for OSS try konqueror |
| 03:33.42 | unlink | i need it to support, uh the web |
| 03:33.45 | enouf | unlink: links2 -g |
| 03:33.50 | Justin | mhiku: you already have it |
| 03:34.03 | transgress | unlink: for non-oss try opera. but what is your problem with iceweasel? |
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| 03:34.14 | unlink | transgress: http://rafb.net/p/cZEX8620.txt |
| 03:34.15 | mhiku | im customizing it, |
| 03:34.25 | unlink | mhiku: apt-get source |
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| 03:34.45 | unlink | it happens for all my users |
| 03:34.47 | enouf | !break unlink |
| 03:35.19 | mhiku | what variable does POSIX-compliant shell is in set? |
| 03:36.05 | unlink | is that it? should i just downgrade to testing? |
| 03:36.20 | enouf | heh |
| 03:36.39 | dvs | !downgrade |
| 03:36.39 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 03:36.39 | unlink | it's a kind of messy operation :P |
| 03:36.51 | dendrite | mhiku: That question didn't quite make sense... man bash, search for POSIXLY |
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| 03:36.58 | Ronin | nice understatement unlink |
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| 03:37.11 | unlink | yes, i've done it |
| 03:37.18 | unlink | it's...less that fun |
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| 03:38.05 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 03:38.10 | transgress | unlink: what have you done to try and fix iceweasel? maybe try reinstalling some stuff? removing config files, etc? |
| 03:38.23 | unlink | transgress: yes, i've done that |
| 03:38.34 | enouf | now that's an overstatement Azar |
| 03:38.58 | unlink | transgress: i've purged all of iceweasel and it's immediaate dependencies |
| 03:39.16 | transgress | what about removed the local config files? |
| 03:39.22 | unlink | yup |
| 03:39.45 | transgress | you really fucked the gecko on this one didn't you? |
| 03:39.54 | unlink | i guess |
| 03:39.58 | unlink | dunno how to do that |
| 03:40.24 | Gnea | unlink: they're usually in ~/.mozilla/ |
| 03:40.32 | unlink | Gnea: yeah, i've tried with a fresh user |
| 03:40.48 | Gnea | unlink: sec, i just got X working again, i'll check your errors |
| 03:40.51 | transgress | tried using strace to see what it's doing? |
| 03:41.39 | unlink | it's unhelpful |
| 03:41.46 | abrotman | ltrace! |
| 03:41.49 | unlink | there are 1000s of messages, it's too much to decode |
| 03:42.07 | transgress | usually it's the last thing you need |
| 03:42.20 | transgress | or if it is repeating that can be useful too |
| 03:42.40 | unlink | futex(0x13aa61c, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 1 |
| 03:42.40 | unlink | read(10, "earchSuggestions.js\0\271\0\0\0\2\0\0\0\1\0\0\0"..., 8192) = 8192 |
| 03:42.52 | abrotman | seems reasonable |
| 03:43.00 | abrotman | that's supposed to be \5 |
| 03:43.02 | unlink | and out of nowhere |
| 03:43.03 | unlink | +++ killed by SIGKILL +++ |
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| 03:43.19 | transgress | abrotman: you make me happy |
| 03:43.56 | transgress | but i gotta go clean the mouse cage. i'll be back later. |
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| 03:44.03 | transgress | god you just can't stop making me happy can you abrotman |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | that's my job |
| 03:44.41 | Gnea | unlink: so what you're saying is that whenever you run iceweasel, it's automatically killed without your intervention? |
| 03:44.47 | unlink | Gnea: yes |
| 03:44.59 | Gnea | unlink: can you post the output of dmesg please? |
| 03:45.36 | Azar | abrotman, how is gonna behave Debian at the change of DST on US? |
| 03:45.48 | abrotman | Azar: you'll get another hour of sleep! |
| 03:46.01 | dvs | Azar: I think etch would have to be released before that time. |
| 03:46.05 | Azar | bull, it starts earlier they took away one hour |
| 03:46.05 | unlink | Gnea: to #flood? |
| 03:46.16 | Gnea | unlink: no, to a paste site |
| 03:46.22 | Azar | dvs, its gonna be on March 11 |
| 03:46.26 | Gnea | !paster |
| 03:46.27 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:46.36 | unlink | hmm, it's kind of tricky in l[iy]n{x,ks} |
| 03:46.40 | Gnea | !pastebin |
| 03:46.41 | dpkg | somebody said pastebin was a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 03:46.42 | Azar | for one I know I will have big headaches with my systems at work |
| 03:46.42 | dvs | Azar: they better hurry up them |
| 03:46.45 | dvs | then |
| 03:46.50 | unlink | ooh |
| 03:46.53 | Gnea | :) |
| 03:47.07 | xjkx | amphi, vcdtools needs that i first convert the avi file to mpeg1 :s it recommends lavtools as enconder but its not in apt-get :s would you recommend any? |
| 03:47.08 | Azar | nah, they better keep it until a fix is found.. |
| 03:47.30 | Azar | I see most systems RH included got patches |
| 03:47.44 | abrotman | Azar: ask the libc6 maintainer |
| 03:48.04 | amphi | xjkx: mencoder can do it |
| 03:48.25 | xjkx | kk gonna read :] |
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| 03:48.36 | unlink | the curl command isn't returning |
| 03:48.37 | dendrite | Azar: tzdata is the package to track. |
| 03:49.02 | unlink | oh, it's doen |
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| 03:49.07 | unlink | where is my paste? |
| 03:49.35 | dendrite | Azar: #410146 |
| 03:49.58 | Gnea | unlink: it may take a little while |
| 03:50.01 | unlink | oh, i can upload |
| 03:50.02 | abrotman | dendrite: that's gone in etch/sid i believe |
| 03:50.10 | abrotman | !dbugs 410146 |
| 03:50.15 | dpkg | DONE:#410146:I[tzdata] tzdata: Daylight savings rule changes for US effective 11 March 2007; Thu, 8 Feb 2007 01:33:06 UTC |
| 03:50.30 | dendrite | abrotman: Gone? What is? tzdata, or the bug? The bug is resolved... |
| 03:50.46 | abrotman | oh .. maybe it's reversed .. in libc6 in sarge :) |
| 03:50.48 | dvs | dendrite: yeah, now etch has to be released |
| 03:50.49 | xerophyte | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:51.05 | unlink | Gnea: http://pastebin.ca/raw/351399 |
| 03:51.59 | Azar | thanks dendrite |
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| 03:52.24 | dendrite | Azar: Note that in Sarge it *is* libc6 that has the tz data... |
| 03:52.41 | Gnea | unlink: weird... is that a debian kernel or a vanilla that you snagged from kernel.org and compiled yourself? |
| 03:52.48 | unlink | Gnea: vanilla |
| 03:53.03 | Gnea | unlink: can you try a debianized 2.6.18? |
| 03:53.16 | Xenguy | general question: If I find myself in an 'internet cafe' situation (untrusted host and wanting to ssh to my home box for instance), how can I best protect myself from key loggers? Am I SOL? Or could I boot of a live-CD for instance (puppy linux?) and foil keyloggers that way? Comments? |
| 03:53.21 | unlink | Gnea: i would, but the debian kernels have this quirk where they don't boot my system |
| 03:53.23 | Azar | dendrite: luckily I do not have a server on Debian. The funky bug is, that we may pass successfully the March 11 but when the old DST day comes, that gonna blow |
| 03:53.47 | dendrite | Xenguy: You won't foil hardware keyloggers... |
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| 03:53.52 | Gnea | unlink: why not? |
| 03:53.58 | Xenguy | dendrite: yes, true |
| 03:54.05 | unlink | Gnea: my sata controller is too new |
| 03:54.18 | Gnea | unlink: can you paste lspci please? i'll brb |
| 03:54.26 | Adlai | Xenguy, if you can find a computer where you can get to a mouse input method you might be safe |
| 03:54.31 | Adlai | but it's not guaranteed |
| 03:54.34 | dendrite | Xenguy: Otherwise, a live CD would probably be some insurance. |
| 03:54.34 | unlink | Gnea: what does lspci have to do with iceweasel? |
| 03:54.46 | Adlai | for example Dasher |
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| 03:54.56 | Adlai | which is slow and you probably won't get your password |
| 03:55.09 | Xenguy | dendrite: I expect hardware is not a problem in this situation; I just want to boot off CD I guess, and hope for the best |
| 03:55.25 | dendrite | Adlai: Modern loggers can send small bitmaps of the screen region around a click.. |
| 03:55.27 | Adlai | or maybe the on-screen keyboard that's part of windows' handicap things (and many distros/DEs) |
| 03:55.47 | Adlai | dendrite, that's awesomely cool, and also sucks for most of us |
| 03:56.08 | unlink | Gnea: http://rafb.net/p/EuyGu529.txt |
| 03:56.18 | Xenguy | dendrite: would you recommend any particular live CD, preferably something that is fast to boot? |
| 03:57.00 | dendrite | Xenguy: I've no experience with 'em, at least none recent. There is a debian livecd project. (Not official debian though.) |
| 03:57.11 | amphi | Xenguy: sysresccd.org iso is a nice one IMHO; no X, just zsh |
| 03:57.12 | Xenguy | dendrite: good to know |
| 03:57.21 | Xenguy | amphi: tx for the tip |
| 03:57.24 | Gnea | unlink: back. did you build this system yourself? |
| 03:58.09 | unlink | Gnea: yes |
| 03:58.09 | Gnea | unlink: what mobo/cpu does it have? |
| 03:58.09 | unlink | Gnea: dg965wh/e6600 |
| 03:58.09 | Gnea | ?! |
| 03:58.09 | unlink | Gnea: i'm still puzzled as to why you want to know |
| 03:58.26 | Twistedemo | Hello all.. question.. I am running a debian server w/ samba and a ldap backend... I currently have a global account setup and 30 or so client computers connect to that account to login... my question is how would I go about doing something universally on those those client computers... aka run a program.. |
| 03:58.46 | Twistedemo | Is samba the right program to be doing this with..? Is there another program that can help? |
| 03:58.49 | Gnea | unlink: because the answer maybe out there already, plus i've had systems optimized for a different CPU (AMD instead of p4, for instance) cause programs not to run properly |
| 03:58.52 | neekofab | amphi sysresccd.org is updated now with X |
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| 03:58.58 | unlink | Gnea: ahh |
| 03:59.12 | amphi | neekofab: Oh no! |
| 03:59.15 | unlink | Gnea: this looks like a library package is broken |
| 03:59.21 | amphi | neekofab: but why?? |
| 03:59.29 | abrotman | Twistedemo: ask #samba |
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| 03:59.31 | neekofab | amphi it's an option |
| 03:59.40 | Gnea | unlink: or it could be a hardware inconsistancy that's causing the library to break |
| 03:59.47 | mook | When I start up GNOME I get no sound until I kill the process called "esd" |
| 03:59.53 | mook | What;s the deal with that? |
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| 04:00.01 | unlink | Gnea: what does an html rendering library in particular have to do with hardware? |
| 04:00.08 | mook | And can I kill it so it doesn't autostart with GNOME? |
| 04:00.09 | neekofab | amphi still boots up to shell. but now has browser and x should you need it |
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| 04:00.30 | Twistedemo | abrotman: I am.. but I kinda was hoping to find out if there was something outside of samba designed to do that... |
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| 04:00.53 | abrotman | Twistedemo: that sounds the right way to me |
| 04:00.59 | amphi | neekofab: uhuh |
| 04:01.07 | mhiku | where does gnatbind originated? |
| 04:01.07 | Gnea | unlink: if a certain peice of hardware isn't running properly, then it may not be noticable at first until later, when a certain program or set of programs fail to run continuously on that specific system |
| 04:01.23 | unlink | Gnea: right, but what about gecko? |
| 04:02.01 | abrotman | !tell mhiku about search |
| 04:02.41 | mhiku | lol another person who RTFM again..ahwell i cant change that |
| 04:03.04 | amphi | !googlesmite mhiku |
| 04:03.09 | Gnea | unlink: i have no idea - i've never seen this before - but the fact that you're running a non-debian kernel on a debian system that's using brand-spanking-new hardware is leading us to the conclusions of faulty hardware or software - i don't know how proficient you are with rolling your own kernels, but i've had issues in the past with software not working right until i got the kernel to behave |
| 04:03.16 | magyar | why is rdate returning "rdate: Could not read data: Connection refused" |
| 04:03.21 | mhiku | hmm did you tried? |
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| 04:03.25 | magyar | to certain servers |
| 04:03.25 | mhiku | i know ive tried |
| 04:03.30 | unlink | Gnea: |
| 04:04.03 | Gnea | magyar: servers are down or blocked somewhere (isp-level?) |
| 04:04.35 | abrotman | mhiku: maybe you should read it |
| 04:04.36 | magyar | Gnea: i am syncing with other systems to it |
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| 04:04.45 | mook | When I start up GNOME I get no sound until I kill the process called "esd"... why is this? |
| 04:04.52 | amphi | mhiku: what does your question mean? |
| 04:05.15 | hark | esd is evil |
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| 04:05.24 | Gnea | unlink: check this out: http://lkml.org/lkml/2007/1/21/43 |
| 04:05.30 | mook | hark: Agreed... |
| 04:05.46 | mook | How do I make it not start up with GNOME though? |
| 04:05.52 | abrotman | uninstall it |
| 04:05.56 | Gnea | magyar: syncing how? |
| 04:06.13 | unlink | Gnea: yes, i've spoken with paolo, we have different issues |
| 04:06.49 | hark | mook: Desktop-->Administration-->Multimedia Systems Something. CHange it to ALSA. |
| 04:07.01 | hark | mook: er.. Preferences |
| 04:07.05 | mhiku | i need to know where gnatbind is, my priority is google and my last resort is here. i know their many people here at first experiece to be shouted to RTFM and thus returning the favor to newbies like me |
| 04:07.20 | mook | hark: Both are already set to ALSA |
| 04:07.23 | amphi | mhiku: what do you mean, 'where it is'? |
| 04:07.37 | Gnea | unlink: then i'm stumped :| |
| 04:07.38 | abrotman | !tell mhiku about search |
| 04:07.41 | mook | abrotman: The only esd-related apckage I have installed looks like "libesd0"... should I get rid of it? |
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| 04:07.48 | abrotman | mook: esound |
| 04:07.50 | magyar | Gnea: "/usr/sbin/ntpdate -u tick.utoronto.ca" works "rdate -p tick.utoronto.ca" from the same host doesnt work |
| 04:08.02 | mhiku | i searched google, it doesnt know where to download it |
| 04:08.03 | abrotman | magyar: maybe your ISP blocks it ? |
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| 04:08.09 | abrotman | mhiku: so why are you asking us ? |
| 04:08.13 | Gnea | magyar: try rdate time.nist.gov |
| 04:08.16 | magyar | abrotman: "same host" dude |
| 04:08.18 | amphi | mhiku: you mean http://www.gnu.org/software/gnat/gnat.html ? |
| 04:08.24 | niru | hello all |
| 04:08.28 | abrotman | magyar: different port .. dude |
| 04:08.39 | mook | abrotman: If I try and uninstall esound it tries to take "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" with it |
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| 04:08.40 | mook | =/ |
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| 04:08.45 | abrotman | metapackages |
| 04:08.47 | magyar | abrotman: why is it different |
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| 04:08.49 | magyar | ? |
| 04:08.49 | niru | is there any antivirus for linux |
| 04:08.54 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:08.56 | niru | magyar:hi |
| 04:08.58 | niru | is there any antivirus for linux |
| 04:09.00 | abrotman | magyar: becase they want to |
| 04:09.03 | mhiku | thats not in google lol |
| 04:09.10 | mook | abrotman: Ahh, so I can get rid of both of those and everything will still be fine? |
| 04:09.11 | Gnea | niru: yes. |
| 04:09.12 | hark | mook: yeah, remove that and maybe install libesd-alsa0? |
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| 04:09.21 | abrotman | magyar: just check to see if the ports are the same .. netstat willhelp here |
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| 04:09.23 | magyar | Gnea: that works |
| 04:09.29 | Gnea | :) |
| 04:09.30 | cparker | How do I undo a hold operation? I put one package on hold to keep it back from upgrading, and now i want to upgrade it... |
| 04:09.31 | niru | Gnea:how can I get that and what is the antivirus name |
| 04:09.38 | magyar | Gnea: why one works and the other doesnt |
| 04:09.42 | Gnea | !tell niru about search |
| 04:09.43 | abrotman | cparker: explicitly install the package |
| 04:09.44 | edgardoweb | que juegos hay en debian |
| 04:09.48 | abrotman | !es |
| 04:09.48 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 04:09.53 | Gnea | magyar: different ports/protocols |
| 04:09.54 | magyar | Gnea: rdate and ntpdate different protocols? |
| 04:09.56 | neekofab | niru clamav |
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| 04:10.04 | cparker | ahhh.. i was trying aptitude upgrade [packagename] |
| 04:10.07 | magyar | Gnea: thats dumb |
| 04:10.16 | Gnea | magyar: not really |
| 04:10.21 | amphi | mhiku: http://www.delorie.com/gnu/docs/gcc/gnat_ug_60.html is though, first result, and it's not hard to figure out from there; I'd never heard of gnatbind and had no idea what it was |
| 04:10.22 | edgardoweb | !us |
| 04:10.22 | dpkg | hmm... us is United States (of America), or the first-person plural object pronoun |
| 04:10.25 | abrotman | magyar: then use ntpdate and stop whining |
| 04:10.29 | magyar | Gnea: if i have a time server one program works the other doesnt |
| 04:10.30 | cparker | abrotman: thank you :) |
| 04:10.36 | Gnea | magyar: try running a network analyzer while they're running and see what's going on |
| 04:10.48 | edgardoweb | supertux??? |
| 04:10.56 | amphi | !googlesmite mhiku |
| 04:10.56 | abrotman | apt-cache search supertux |
| 04:10.58 | magyar | abrotman: dude please |
| 04:11.00 | niru | neekofab,Gnea:ok |
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| 04:11.06 | mhiku | thats why my search is down, im searching for gnatbind but the real website is gnats |
| 04:11.08 | abrotman | magyar: dude .. |
| 04:11.09 | magyar | -_- |
| 04:11.16 | abrotman | _--__--___________ |
| 04:11.23 | abrotman | earwax you see |
| 04:11.37 | Gnea | (__/@.@__) |
| 04:11.38 | magyar | my kung-fu is stronger dude |
| 04:11.40 | edgardoweb | thanks abrotman |
| 04:11.41 | amphi | mhiku: hardly a three-pipe problem |
| 04:11.44 | Gnea | (__/@.@\__) |
| 04:11.45 | abrotman | magyar: i seriously doubt it |
| 04:12.03 | magyar | Gnea: that looks like GNU |
| 04:12.08 | Gnea | hahaha |
| 04:12.15 | Gnea | (__/@.@\__) |
| 04:12.16 | Gnea | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:12.17 | mook | abrotman: Okay so I'm going to uninstall "esound" "esound-clients" and "gnome" and "gnome-desktop-environment" as well due to dependencies but I'm keeping "esound-common" because a shitload of things depend on it |
| 04:12.21 | mook | Does that sound right? |
| 04:12.24 | Gnea | that's a cabbit, actually |
| 04:12.30 | abrotman | mook: sounds fine |
| 04:12.38 | mook | abrotman: Oay thanks |
| 04:12.42 | abrotman | mook: or figure out how to disable it |
| 04:13.24 | hark | mook: you might want to try #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org or ##gnome here |
| 04:13.28 | mook | restart test1 |
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| 04:13.46 | edgardoweb | o/ |
| 04:14.08 | Azar | damn |
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| 04:14.37 | Azar | I sent myself an e-mail 2 hours ago, did not arrived yet! |
| 04:15.09 | mfrisch | most ISP's don't let mail through |
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| 04:15.18 | Azar | why? |
| 04:15.32 | Azar | sent it from work to my yahoo |
| 04:15.41 | hark | hehe |
| 04:15.50 | hark | Azar: work firewall maybe? |
| 04:15.57 | Azar | hark, might be |
| 04:15.59 | amphi | Azar: yahoo reads it for a long time, I hear |
| 04:16.05 | hark | especially because of an attachment |
| 04:16.13 | Azar | yeah I guess they scan for spammers |
| 04:16.18 | Azar | I sent a link to a page |
| 04:16.27 | amphi | oh the horror! |
| 04:16.28 | sk4nK | hey, justa quick scripting question. I've got a script like: if [ `smbmount //box/here /mnt/here` ] then... But i need to make "box" a variable, how can I get that to work? if [ `smbmount //$BOX/here /mnt/here`]... doesn't seem to work. |
| 04:16.29 | Azar | so I can get it when I came home |
| 04:17.25 | dendrite | sk4nK: ${box} |
| 04:17.47 | dendrite | sk4nK: Note that shell variables *are* case sensitive. |
| 04:18.34 | sk4nK | dendrite: yep, aware of the case sensitivity.. but that should work in backticks? i'll give it a go. thanks. |
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| 04:18.56 | riot | holy shit.. adobe's acrobat for windows is ULTRA-SpyWare.. the installer is SO noisy |
| 04:19.11 | Azar | heck my time will not be anymore PST, but PDT |
| 04:19.22 | Azar | horror |
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| 04:19.55 | magyar | blehh |
| 04:19.55 | mfrisch | riot: i put some progs on with wine its showing viruses and stuff and its all stuff from Microsoft |
| 04:20.13 | Azar | I should move to arizona... free people there |
| 04:20.33 | amphi | Azar: you can't afford proper ones? |
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| 04:21.24 | dendrite | mfrisch: I've long avoided Windows, but only lately has windows started to seriously creep me out. The stuff is ... gross! |
| 04:21.41 | hark | riot: there is an enterprise edition of Reader which does not have stuff like the Yahoo spyware. But, on Windows I'd recommend Foxit Reader anyday. |
| 04:22.01 | amphi | but... but... what about the Windows Genuine Advantage? |
| 04:22.12 | mook | When I try and edit my menu in GNOME by unchecking boxes for certain entries and hitting "Close", the entries stay there |
| 04:22.19 | Adlai | there are a lot of major problems with the way windows programs affect each-other and the system itself |
| 04:22.36 | Adlai | it's a wonder windows systems stay up as well as they do |
| 04:22.40 | Azar | amphi: I hate to keep in mind that I have to move the clocks back and forth |
| 04:22.58 | dendrite | Sorry, I probably shouldn't have emitted such an OT remark. |
| 04:23.03 | amphi | Azar: the machine does that |
| 04:23.06 | Azar | amphi: soon I will be asking not "where am I" but "when am I?" |
| 04:23.13 | hark | heh, http://www.linuxgenuineadvantage.org/ |
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| 04:23.22 | dendrite | !confuse Azar |
| 04:23.22 | mhiku | still gnats doesnt fix checking for gnatbind... no :(( |
| 04:23.23 | dpkg | Yes, those is our mushroom tomorrow, Azar? breeches of the republic of mongolia with extra crabpaste |
| 04:23.25 | Azar | amphi: all machines I got are all pre-programmed to the old DST |
| 04:23.38 | Azar | :) |
| 04:23.43 | amphi | Azar: they changed it? |
| 04:24.00 | Azar | amphi: March 11 |
| 04:24.00 | Azar | 3 more weeks |
| 04:24.11 | Azar | gotta call the manufacturers to see what I can do about |
| 04:24.16 | amphi | Azar: you could just ignore DST altogether ;) |
| 04:24.22 | dendrite | The bummer is that Halloween will now be in DST, so it'll get dark an hour later... :-( |
| 04:24.44 | Azar | well, I could for example put the wake up call one hour earlier and keep the clock as is |
| 04:25.01 | Azar | my clock only gonna change on the old DST |
| 04:25.17 | dendrite | Azar: Why? What system?? |
| 04:25.21 | parsonsd | i'm trying to rip mp3 files from CD. i run etch and installed abcde (everything else seems only to rip to ogg). when i run it, the error tells me that LAME isn't in the path. synaptic cant find anything like that in the repos. can i have a clue? |
| 04:25.50 | dendrite | parsonsd: Do you have non free in your repos? |
| 04:25.55 | hark | parsonsd: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 04:25.56 | niru | how can I get all kde3.5.6 packages |
| 04:26.02 | Azar | dendrite: an Emerson |
| 04:26.07 | parsonsd | dendrite : er, i don't think so.. |
| 04:26.15 | mfrisch | parsonsd: use grip or cd juicer ogg is better than mp3 |
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| 04:26.31 | dendrite | parsonsd: I'm not sure if mp3 is in nonfree, but it's a good place to start. |
| 04:26.44 | dendrite | parsonsd: OR, use ogg. |
| 04:26.57 | dendrite | Azar: What the heck is an Emerson?? |
| 04:27.04 | pipeline | mfrisch, parsonsd : Sadly, ogg is only better than mp3 at very low bitrates. At bitrates more typical for use on say, mp3 players, mpc, mp2, and mp3 all beat ogg's pants off :( |
| 04:27.08 | amphi | mhiku: what are you trying to do? |
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| 04:27.25 | parsonsd | dendrite : what should the line be in sources.list for nonfree? |
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| 04:27.40 | dendrite | !nonfree |
| 04:27.41 | dpkg | non-free is always "evil". It has its place in the world, but most Debianistas would rather not use it. Any software not meeting this definition: http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines is in there . See #debian-nonfree and http://nonfree.alioth.debian.org/, or if you MUST, add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html Also ask me about "vrms" |
| 04:27.58 | mfrisch | parsonsd: its on debian.multimedia I like flac there's lame there too |
| 04:28.02 | hark | parsonsd: lame is not in non-free |
| 04:28.32 | parsonsd | hark : i see. |
| 04:28.37 | amphi | mhiku: gnatbind is in gnat-4.1 |
| 04:28.38 | dendrite | parsonsd: Forget nonfree, from what mfrisch and hark are saying. |
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| 04:29.00 | amphi | mhiku: on etch |
| 04:29.03 | unlink | Gnea: it has nothing to do with ulimits, same problem running it as root |
| 04:29.05 | Azar | dendrite: http://www.bizrate.com/clockradios/emerson-research-dual-alarm-am-fm-clock-radio-with-smartset.--pid294969137/information__keyword--dual+alarm+clock+radio.html |
| 04:29.15 | parsonsd | dendrite : gtkpod doesn't seem to want to load the oggs onto the newly gifted ipod |
| 04:29.31 | Gnea | unlink: can you paste your .config for 2.4.20? |
| 04:29.38 | Gnea | er, 2.6.20 |
| 04:29.44 | unlink | Gnea: in case you were interested, the complete strace is at http://unlink.ath.cx/iceweasel-sucks |
| 04:29.46 | dendrite | parsonsd: Aaah. Yeah... |
| 04:29.48 | PrMoriarty | hello i m sorry to busy you but what is the default language use in the command line for a debian? |
| 04:29.49 | mfrisch | parsonsd: will play with open source firmware |
| 04:29.52 | Gnea | i'm such an awesome mistypist :) |
| 04:29.53 | PrMoriarty | it s ksh? |
| 04:29.54 | neekofab | parsonsd since when did ipods get teh ability to play ogg? |
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| 04:30.05 | dendrite | Azar: DOH! |
| 04:30.21 | unlink | Gnea: http://unlink.ath.cx/config.gz |
| 04:30.22 | mfrisch | neekofab: roxbox |
| 04:30.32 | Adlai | mfrisch, don't you mean rockbox? |
| 04:30.33 | mook | Anyone know how to make Nautilus start up in file browser mode by default instead of normal (ie WITHOUT the --browser command line switch)? |
| 04:30.35 | Adlai | (I think) |
| 04:30.49 | amphi | PrMoriarty: bash |
| 04:31.00 | Adlai | mook, alias "nautilus" "nautilus --browser" |
| 04:31.06 | parsonsd | neekofab, don't suppose they do. but i thought i'd try... |
| 04:31.06 | hark | mook: it's in preferences. Open in browser windows or something |
| 04:31.07 | mfrisch | adker: rock somethin that firmware |
| 04:31.08 | Adlai | there should also be a setting somewhere in prefs |
| 04:31.09 | PrMoriarty | bash ok |
| 04:31.18 | PrMoriarty | can i change it you think? |
| 04:31.27 | amphi | PrMoriarty: yes |
| 04:31.34 | PrMoriarty | what is the best you think |
| 04:31.45 | PrMoriarty | i heard good sound for ksh |
| 04:31.47 | amphi | whichever you like |
| 04:31.54 | parsonsd | mfrisch : opensource firmware? |
| 04:32.16 | amphi | PrMoriarty: I use zsh |
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| 04:32.53 | Gnea | unlink: did you install a 32-bit based debian or a 64-bit based debian? |
| 04:33.01 | unlink | Gnea: 64 |
| 04:33.17 | mfrisch | parsonsd: http://www.rockbox.org/ |
| 04:33.17 | unlink | amd64 in particular |
| 04:33.35 | Gnea | hrm |
| 04:33.36 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 04:33.37 | dpkg | from memory, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64, or http://64studio.com if you are doing audio/realtime work |
| 04:34.02 | unlink | ? |
| 04:34.05 | stoned | well |
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| 04:34.12 | Gnea | unlink: i'm unsure at this point... you could ask in #debian-amd64 or install a 32bit debian |
| 04:34.18 | stoned | I'n pretty pissed off right now |
| 04:34.22 | Supaplex | !confuse stoned |
| 04:34.23 | dpkg | Yes, where are our ferret today, stoned? breeches of the democracy of liechtenstein with extra ham |
| 04:34.24 | stoned | fuck pc recording man |
| 04:34.35 | neekofab | mfrisch weird iaudio is listed, but they pretty much play all formats (minus drm) already |
| 04:34.40 | stoned | this shit sucks balls |
| 04:34.46 | stoned | I'll never figure it out cuz I don't have the patience |
| 04:34.54 | Azar | stoned... |
| 04:34.55 | stoned | I fuck with it for like 5 minutes and I'm sick of it |
| 04:34.59 | stoned | I just wanna go play guitar |
| 04:35.14 | stoned | not a single goddamn app that has distortion in it |
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| 04:35.35 | stoned | well, nothing that works properly for me anyway |
| 04:35.45 | stoned | fuck this man, I'm through. (for now) |
| 04:35.53 | stoned | argh! /cry |
| 04:36.04 | Azar | man I can't record on a PC either |
| 04:36.06 | mfrisch | neekofab: think its a work in progress I think vorbis support is a plus |
| 04:36.25 | noige | stoned: what app is it? |
| 04:36.28 | stoned | Azar: dude I got badass riffage gon man |
| 04:36.34 | stoned | noige: which one you wanna nkow about |
| 04:36.37 | stoned | I tried em all on linux |
| 04:36.51 | stoned | noige: actually dont' worrya bou tit |
| 04:36.56 | Azar | omg man..! |
| 04:36.58 | stoned | cuz I'm done talking about it |
| 04:37.00 | noige | I just wanted to know what app |
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| 04:37.03 | noige | ok |
| 04:37.06 | noige | noice |
| 04:37.19 | stoned | its just gonna piss me off more cuz you wont' be albe to help me |
| 04:37.26 | stoned | and I don't wanna keep goin on abou tit |
| 04:37.30 | stoned | about it * |
| 04:37.44 | Azar | have a beer, watch a movie and put it aside for now |
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| 04:38.11 | noige | I was having a problem like that earlier in a perl script |
| 04:38.18 | stoned | I feell ike killing someone right now |
| 04:38.20 | noige | but it is fixed now |
| 04:38.28 | Azar | stoned: have some secz |
| 04:38.30 | stoned | I feel killing the people who invented comptuers |
| 04:38.35 | noige | I am going to go have some ice cream |
| 04:38.36 | stoned | but they all dead anyway |
| 04:38.47 | stoned | fucking computers man I hate em, they give me so much grief. |
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| 04:39.04 | Azar | that how a brain grows up |
| 04:39.06 | noige | If it is missing something can you add it? |
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| 04:39.23 | stoned | noige: I have no patience for this bullshit man |
| 04:39.32 | Azar | I had big headaches when I was growing my brain |
| 04:39.47 | stoned | I screw around with these apps for a while and nothing works and I get pissed off and then I don't even wanna play anymore sometimes |
| 04:39.57 | predder | I had some machines running in localtime recently (hwclock and system clock). I ran tzconfig and changed them to UTC then install ntpd and setup the machines to sync with an ntp server.. Should this change my hwclock to UTC as well? |
| 04:39.59 | noige | Is this your first time using *nix? |
| 04:40.06 | amphi | mfrisch: thanks for the rockbox link |
| 04:40.08 | Azar | noige: yep hes a noob |
| 04:40.18 | stoned | I mean should I try to kill myself ? |
| 04:40.25 | noige | stoned: chill out |
| 04:40.33 | Azar | noobisms |
| 04:40.34 | noige | stoned: the answer will eventually be uncovered |
| 04:40.37 | stoned | IM TRYING! |
| 04:40.48 | Azar | try harder my friend |
| 04:40.56 | stoned | I spend 120$ on a piece of shit fx board |
| 04:40.59 | noige | stoned: when you finally solve the problem is when the best feeling is had |
| 04:41.04 | Azar | no, wait: go google |
| 04:41.06 | stoned | man |
| 04:41.07 | Gnea | stoned: heh, tremulous keeps on crashing my system - hardlocks everytime, no reason. talk about pissed off ;) |
| 04:41.11 | stoned | I'm just gonna go down to texas |
| 04:41.13 | mfrisch | stoned: just don't use a computer...quit your whinning smoke a bowl |
| 04:41.15 | stoned | go to dallas |
| 04:41.23 | stoned | I'm gonna go annoy concept10 |
| 04:41.28 | stoned | ask him to teach me shit |
| 04:41.36 | stoned | I'll bring my computer with me |
| 04:42.02 | mfrisch | stoned: fx card? |
| 04:42.04 | Azar | stoned: a computer is just a computer, is doing what it was tought to do |
| 04:42.17 | stoned | mfrisch: Boss ME 50 |
| 04:42.24 | noige | stoned: you are using *nix |
| 04:42.32 | noige | you are smart enough to install |
| 04:42.33 | stoned | Azar: yeh yeh |
| 04:42.40 | noige | you are smart enough to find a solution |
| 04:42.43 | stoned | noige: I'm not smart enough to do anything |
| 04:42.48 | stoned | I'm venting |
| 04:42.52 | stoned | thanks for listening. |
| 04:43.01 | Azar | hey my pleasure, man |
| 04:43.14 | stoned | Azar: you're a good bro, bro. |
| 04:43.32 | stoned | ahh, tokage! |
| 04:43.32 | noige | see ya |
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| 04:43.50 | Azar | stoned: at least you had the strenght to try. I would never try such things on a PC. that why I bought cd and dvd recorders |
| 04:44.06 | stoned | no man |
| 04:44.11 | stoned | Azar: ok here it is |
| 04:44.13 | mfrisch | stoned: that probally takes some doing to ge it to work |
| 04:44.22 | stoned | Azar: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/metal.mp3 |
| 04:44.30 | stoned | Azar: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/song3a.mp3 |
| 04:44.35 | stoned | with distortion from AMP |
| 04:44.42 | Azar | aaahhhhh damn |
| 04:44.44 | stoned | Azar: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/retarded.mp3 |
| 04:44.48 | stoned | that one is clean tone |
| 04:44.51 | stoned | you notice the diff. |
| 04:44.56 | stoned | soon as I add distortion to the mix |
| 04:44.58 | Azar | did you check the websites for that device for known bugs? maybe someone got a fix |
| 04:45.00 | stoned | it sounds like shit!! |
| 04:45.18 | stoned | I can't figure out how to make distortion sound cleaner and better |
| 04:45.22 | stoned | THAT is my fucking problem. |
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| 04:45.38 | mfrisch | do it post recording |
| 04:45.40 | stoned | problem is I dunno how any of this works, and when I try to read bout it, my brain locks up |
| 04:45.48 | Azar | hmmm did you try to translate from mp3 to say... another format, distort it easier there then translate it back to mp3? |
| 04:45.50 | stoned | its like a mental block |
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| 04:46.02 | RickyRayy | if i want to run debian 32 bit on my athlon fx-55 cpu, what should i download? |
| 04:46.18 | antidrugue | standard i386 architecture |
| 04:46.35 | Azar | Debian 3.1 sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel (k7 for amd) |
| 04:46.40 | RickyRayy | this one? |
| 04:46.46 | RickyRayy | Installation Manual for Intel x86 |
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| 04:47.06 | displaced | has anyone dual booted debian? |
| 04:47.10 | stoned | no |
| 04:47.15 | stoned | no one has dual booted debian |
| 04:47.20 | stoned | anywhere in the world |
| 04:47.21 | Azar | stoned: I am a huge fan of xm and s3m file formats, rarely get a mp3 |
| 04:47.27 | stoned | think before you ask stupid questions |
| 04:47.31 | stoned | geez |
| 04:47.55 | Azar | stoned: hey it might be dual Debian: sarge and etch |
| 04:48.07 | stoned | still.. I doubt anyone has done it. |
| 04:48.11 | stoned | </sarcasm> |
| 04:48.21 | Azar | it is a good idea, hey for the kicks |
| 04:48.26 | Azar | or etch / sid |
| 04:48.32 | stoned | dude |
| 04:48.36 | stoned | pots not helping |
| 04:48.39 | stoned | I'm still pissed off |
| 04:48.40 | Rusty1 | what are lossless codecs |
| 04:48.42 | stoned | :( |
| 04:48.54 | RickyRayy | if i want to quad boot linux gentoo (32bit), linux debian (32bit), win server 2003 and windows vista. what installation setup should i do first? |
| 04:49.09 | displaced | that was briliant, almost amusing since almost everytime i come into this room no even answers so a smart ass is to be expected |
| 04:49.12 | stoned | RickyRayy: install windows first |
| 04:49.22 | Azar | hahahahahaha |
| 04:49.25 | stoned | RickyRayy: that way, when you later install grub, the nt bootlader will be loaded |
| 04:49.31 | Supaplex | why occasionally when I'm typing, I'll get lots of repeated charaters? most of the time it happens between keystrokes. load average is < 0.20. is this a known issue? |
| 04:49.39 | stoned | if you install windows after you install grub you'll be in shit |
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| 04:50.37 | stoned | displaced: you asked a moronic question. Don't blame #debian for having smartasses. Blame yourself for being a dumbass. |
| 04:51.06 | RickyRayy | Supaplex: change your keyboard charactor repeat options to higher values |
| 04:51.08 | mfrisch | RickyRayy: use lvm's for the gentoo and debian. primary partions windows\ |
| 04:51.27 | RickyRayy | what are lvm's? |
| 04:51.30 | stoned | displaced: please do not msg me |
| 04:52.00 | stoned | displaced: my worth has nothing to do with your braindeadness |
| 04:52.03 | hark | !tell displaced -about ask |
| 04:52.06 | Supaplex | RickyRayy: I know the repeats happen after I letgo of the key. |
| 04:52.06 | stoned | I just made up a word |
| 04:52.21 | RickyRayy | Supaplex: ahh ok, sry i don't know that problem |
| 04:52.30 | mfrisch | RickyRayy: its a partion that can be divided into different partitions its an install option |
| 04:52.45 | stoned | oh man |
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| 04:52.49 | stoned | I'm feeling better |
| 04:52.54 | stoned | prodigy to the rescure |
| 04:52.56 | stoned | ! |
| 04:53.09 | RickyRayy | mfrisch: i have two hardrives. i was going to partition them up into four unpartitioned space partitions |
| 04:53.11 | stoned | I hate my keyboard |
| 04:53.20 | RickyRayy | then isntall win 2k3 first, then vista, then gentoo then debian |
| 04:53.20 | diskus | buy new one |
| 04:53.35 | diskus | is there any point in having gentoo and debian on same machine? |
| 04:53.37 | stoned | diskus: you wanna pay for it? |
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| 04:53.48 | stoned | diskus: yes. |
| 04:53.51 | diskus | stoned: no, I'm using myself some old logitech keyboard |
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| 04:54.12 | stoned | diskus: I'm sure there is a point. we're unable to see it for some reason. |
| 04:54.14 | Supaplex | !vista |
| 04:54.15 | dpkg | rumour has it, vista is an operating system from microsoft. it's not on topic. |
| 04:54.15 | noseman | hi, anyone known a program similar to osdsh ??? |
| 04:55.14 | mfrisch | RickyRayy: put one 'doz on each drive, use lvm for each of the linuxs then install the boot loaders in their corrisponding /boot then when you want a different os you just switch the boot flag in cfdisk |
| 04:55.43 | stoned | mfrisch: yeh, or you can just use grub and manage them easily |
| 04:56.11 | mfrisch | stoned: then one of the os doesn' |
| 04:56.30 | stoned | mfrisch: huh? |
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| 04:56.59 | hark | grub! |
| 04:57.02 | mfrisch | stoned: have its own boot loader.. new kernels would suck. and really how offten do you switch? |
| 04:57.32 | RickyRayy | mfrisch: sry i'm not advanced enough to know lvm's |
| 04:57.36 | stoned | mfrisch: uhhh.. what? |
| 04:58.54 | stoned | mfrisch: I have bsd, debian, windows on this desktop. I have a 100mb FAT partition in the beginning of drive 1 which holds all my kernels and my boot loader. |
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| 04:59.21 | stoned | mfrisch: I'd say 7 years and never a problem with my setups like so |
| 04:59.23 | Xulfa | Hello |
| 04:59.31 | Xulfa | how do I check the serial number on my processor? |
| 04:59.46 | RickyRayy | Xulfa: bios? |
| 05:00.00 | RickyRayy | Xulfa: CPUid application (windows app) |
| 05:00.05 | stoned | Xulfa: cat /proc/cpuinfo might tell you |
| 05:00.06 | Supaplex | Xulfa: it's a longshot, see /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:00.07 | mfrisch | stoned: kind of like what I got, what happens if both os need a new kernel |
| 05:00.15 | noseman | hi, anyone known a program similar to osdsh ??? |
| 05:00.15 | RickyRayy | yes or cpuinfo on linux |
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| 05:00.32 | stoned | mfrisch: so? install the new kernel |
| 05:00.35 | stoned | whats the big deal? |
| 05:00.52 | stoned | I write protect menu.lst from everything |
| 05:01.08 | stoned | I write the names of the kernel/initrd or I update my symlinks /linux /initrd |
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| 05:01.17 | stoned | I then manually put them in grub on the fat partition |
| 05:01.33 | stoned | I'm not fucking around with changing the goddamn boot flag every time I reboot |
| 05:01.37 | mfrisch | stoned: and bsd needs its bootloader...thats alot more work than I have done |
| 05:01.51 | stoned | mfrisch: once set up it lasts |
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| 05:02.12 | stoned | and if you forget to change the boot flag |
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| 05:02.23 | stoned | guess what you just wasted more time reloading your os again |
| 05:02.36 | stoned | I'm not saying my way is correct or better |
| 05:02.45 | stoned | it just works better for me and it MIGHT help someone else |
| 05:02.56 | stoned | lvms seems good as well, but its a bit too much work imo |
| 05:03.12 | stoned | especially for RickyRayy seems like hes a bit on the new side |
| 05:03.18 | stoned | or inexperienced |
| 05:03.19 | mfrisch | stoned: it works and is enough for me. you just need to know what you want before you reboot |
| 05:04.04 | stoned | I am very irritable right now |
| 05:04.11 | mfrisch | stoned: he's the one with the multiboot should he have a big / for each and a swap ? |
| 05:04.27 | pinks | stoned: I want to keep reliable sarge, but play with other releases and distros - what do you reckon is best - multi-boot or emulator? |
| 05:04.33 | stoned | depends on what he wants |
| 05:04.46 | pinks | /pinks is on a lo-spec laptop |
| 05:05.01 | stoned | pinks: thats a sexy nickname |
| 05:05.25 | pinks | :-p |
| 05:05.29 | stoned | pepto bismal! |
| 05:05.56 | stoned | multiboot |
| 05:05.56 | pinks | stoned: so what do you reckon ? |
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| 05:06.37 | pinks | :( I wanted to play in an emultor |
| 05:06.46 | stoned | so then play in an emulator |
| 05:06.49 | pinks | stoned: any specific reason ? |
| 05:06.54 | stoned | you asked for my opinion and I gave it |
| 05:07.09 | stoned | yeh, when shit fucks up you'll learn how to unfuck it |
| 05:07.19 | stoned | you wont' unfuck stuff when playing around |
| 05:07.28 | pinks | stoned: true true.... |
| 05:07.31 | stoned | when your main system goes down you'll be like shit Igotta get this running |
| 05:07.35 | stoned | and that will motivate you to learn |
| 05:07.41 | stoned | just my take on it. |
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| 05:09.15 | stoned | Azar: you ther? |
| 05:09.53 | litage | why would ``scp large_file.tgz boxA:'' transfer at 30-40KB/s, while ``scp boxA:large_file.tgz .'' transfer at 400KB/s? |
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| 05:10.18 | RickyRayy | which distro has the most support? SuSE®, Fedora-Legacy (Red Hat®), Red Hat® Enterprise Linux®, CentOS, Trustix, Mandriva, Fedora |
| 05:10.31 | stoned | RickyRayy: stop. No. Bad RickyRayy. |
| 05:10.36 | pinks | RickyRayy: DEBIAN !!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 05:10.41 | stoned | RickyRayy: go ask this in ##linux |
| 05:10.44 | Gnea | RickyRayy: Debian, of course |
| 05:10.54 | stoned | Gnea: we don't know that. |
| 05:11.05 | Gnea | stoned: as a matter of fact, we do |
| 05:11.09 | stoned | no we don't. |
| 05:11.17 | peterS | RickyRayy: you should ask that in #® |
| 05:11.19 | mfrisch | Gnea: yeah we're a crack team open 24hours |
| 05:11.31 | stoned | you mean crackhouse? |
| 05:11.32 | amphi | stoned: it's axiomatic ;) |
| 05:11.36 | Gnea | ... |
| 05:11.50 | stoned | teams can't be open or close |
| 05:11.55 | stoned | doesn't make sense |
| 05:12.07 | peterS | yeah a crack team doesn't mean a team that's really tight and really good at what they do, it means they're literally on crack |
| 05:12.17 | Gnea | we're like a well-maintained truck, we keep going no matter how tough it gets |
| 05:12.29 | stoned | don't get me wrong |
| 05:12.31 | stoned | I love debian |
| 05:12.35 | stoned | I will defend it jealously |
| 05:12.39 | stoned | violently if I have to |
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| 05:12.41 | pinks | !applause |
| 05:12.49 | Gnea | violence is not necessary. |
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| 05:12.50 | stoned | but still, I think we don't know which distro is the most supported |
| 05:12.53 | Gnea | only idiots require violence. |
| 05:12.53 | jay | where can I search for debs? Like how there's rpm-find.net? |
| 05:12.56 | stoned | who has these numbers? |
| 05:13.03 | amphi | jay: apt-cache search |
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| 05:13.19 | amphi | stoned: everyone, in the customary place |
| 05:13.20 | Gnea | stoned: what basis would we use to base the 'most' upon? |
| 05:13.22 | peterS | jay: the equivalent of rpm-find.net (i.e., buggy fly-by-night .debs) would be apt-get.org |
| 05:13.32 | stoned | Gnea: EXACTLY! |
| 05:13.51 | stoned | peterS: you know any jokes? |
| 05:13.58 | xjkx | Look, vcdtools needed an encoder, tried mencoder and i had an error, then i used ffmpeg to make my .avi to mpeg1, now its .mpg, does that mean it's in vcd or i just encoded it and i have to use a software to turn it to vcd? like vcdtools...? |
| 05:14.05 | peterS | besides mandriva? hmmm |
| 05:14.12 | stoned | hahaha |
| 05:14.31 | amphi | xjkx: file foo.mpg might tell you |
| 05:14.37 | xjkx | I think mpeg1 is already vcd :> |
| 05:14.40 | xjkx | ok |
| 05:15.07 | xjkx | amphi, video.mpg: MPEG sequence, v1, system multiplex |
| 05:15.10 | unlink | why does my rsync/scp connection happily chug away at 10 MB/s for 5 seconds and then die...every time? |
| 05:15.10 | amphi | xjkx: IIRC vcd needs to be a particular resolution as well (small, 320x240 or 512x384, I forget exactly) |
| 05:15.11 | Gnea | stoned: what do we got? we've got a distro that keeps evolving, we've got people who keep it up, we've got resources that can withstand solar winds, we've got a group of developers who enjoy what they do... what am i missing? |
| 05:15.18 | unlink | no disks are fulL! |
| 05:15.26 | stoned | Gnea: pot. |
| 05:15.36 | Gnea | stoned: i've got beer :D |
| 05:15.39 | stoned | lol |
| 05:15.43 | stoned | its good enough |
| 05:15.49 | Gnea | hehe |
| 05:16.04 | stoned | Gnea: how's michael treatin ya'll? |
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| 05:16.14 | Gnea | stoned: who? |
| 05:16.19 | stoned | your bossman |
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| 05:16.24 | Gnea | oh |
| 05:16.30 | stoned | haha |
| 05:16.31 | Gnea | so far so good... |
| 05:16.33 | jay | thanks |
| 05:16.45 | Gnea | what about this guy who's house burned down tho? |
| 05:17.07 | stoned | bah, houses burn all the time |
| 05:17.07 | stoned | fuck em |
| 05:17.11 | Azar | bummer: Key expiry breaks most D-I Etch RC1 images |
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| 05:17.13 | xjkx | amphi, maybe ffmpeg turned it into this resolution who knows :> see the routput of the command file xD means nothing to me, just that it's a mpeg, if so i think its vcd, maybe ready to burn :> |
| 05:17.16 | stoned | if people are dumb enough to build houses out of paper and wood then fuck em |
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| 05:17.22 | stoned | they deserve to lose em |
| 05:17.29 | peterS | stoned: what's your house made of? |
| 05:17.37 | stoned | paper and wood :( |
| 05:17.46 | Azar | man, they do that because of taifoons and frequent earthquakes |
| 05:17.49 | peterS | I guess you're saying you deserve to have it burn down? |
| 05:17.57 | stoned | yes |
| 05:18.00 | amphi | xjkx: what resolution did you tell ffmpeg to use? or does it have some 'vcd' option? |
| 05:18.11 | Azar | they should build such homes in florida man |
| 05:18.12 | stoned | peterS: where I come from houses are made of brick and concrete |
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| 05:18.23 | stoned | they last for hundreds of years |
| 05:18.29 | peterS | yeah I grew up in brick and concrete |
| 05:18.37 | stoned | many generations of a family see the house |
| 05:18.41 | peterS | but we still used wood for roofs |
| 05:18.42 | Azar | stoned: if you'd get like 3 earthquakes a year, you would think again how to build them |
| 05:18.50 | xjkx | amphi, it has a vcd option '-target vcd video.mpg' so i think its in vcd, no? the 'file video.mpg' returns: video.mpg: MPEG sequence, v1, system multiplex |
| 05:18.59 | jay | any other that sites to download debs that are not say distro-specific, but gather debs? |
| 05:19.13 | stoned | Azar: yeh well there are exceptions |
| 05:19.17 | amphi | xjkx: that sounds like ffmeg has done it for you |
| 05:19.28 | stoned | Azar: I'm not going to build an igloo in arizona |
| 05:19.30 | stoned | c'mon |
| 05:19.36 | amphi | jay: you don't really want those |
| 05:19.38 | xjkx | thats great, then i just burn it as a DATACD on k3b? |
| 05:19.42 | Azar | jay: are you willing to fix dependencies on your own for out-of-sync packages |
| 05:19.47 | peterS | jay: you realise you're throwing away the principle advantage of debian when you settle for any random debs you might run across over the internet? at that point you may as well be using an rpm distro, where you learn not to expect things to actually work the first try |
| 05:19.49 | xjkx | k3b has no vcd burning project |
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| 05:20.14 | stoned | xjkx: you have to transcode to vcd format |
| 05:20.16 | amphi | xjkx: I forget - do you need cdrdao? vcd is not an iso9660 fs |
| 05:20.21 | stoned | k3d burns whatever you want to burn |
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| 05:20.43 | stoned | just like dvd's you have to get transcoded vob files then you can use k3b to burn em |
| 05:20.49 | peterS | amphi: no I think wodim can do vcds, but I'm not certain which mode should be used (-raw96r or what) |
| 05:20.51 | amphi | xjkx: you need to make a different sort of image |
| 05:21.09 | jay | I meant a web site that is not from debian |
| 05:21.10 | Azar | http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/80843/index.html |
| 05:21.25 | jay | not packages that aren't compiled for debian |
| 05:21.28 | amphi | peterS: uhuh |
| 05:21.45 | xjkx | hmmm like how :> using vcdtools maybe? |
| 05:22.00 | peterS | jay: I know. but debian packages are much more than just "something stuffed into .deb format", there is an actual expectation of _quality_. that does not exist when you download random files off the internet, even if they're in .deb format |
| 05:22.14 | Justin | ripmake foo vcd;make |
| 05:22.21 | amphi | xjkx: mkvcdfs perhaps |
| 05:22.40 | stoned | I can put porn in a deb file |
| 05:22.48 | Azar | jay: every Debian version has its own packages with their own dependent packages. Bringing one from outside does not guarantee that will work |
| 05:22.49 | stoned | apt-get install porn |
| 05:23.01 | peterS | jay: a lot of people think a distribution is just a pile of packages and an installer. in debian we believe it's much more than that, we put real work into making packages work together and install / upgrade / remove smoothly, with sane and simple configurations and such. by using third-party .deb files you ignore that advantage. |
| 05:23.03 | amphi | xjkx: that should give you something you can burn with cdrdao, if not wodim as peterS suggested |
| 05:23.08 | stoned | those packages probably aren't even signed |
| 05:23.17 | stoned | how do you know those random packages are safe to use? |
| 05:23.30 | stoned | trust in debian young grasshopper |
| 05:24.05 | Azar | jay: that why Debian is stable because all packages it has and uses are cleaned of bugs... unlike packages you pick from somewhere else |
| 05:24.13 | peterS | stoned: people who are used to non-debian distributions, maybe they have no conception that the kind of quality you find in debian packages is even possible. maybe they think all packages everywhere are indeed created equal |
| 05:24.20 | xjkx | amphi, cdrdao only burns iso9660? |
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| 05:24.33 | stoned | peterS: ubuntu comes to mind :) |
| 05:24.45 | amphi | xjkx: no |
| 05:24.49 | stoned | or its ubuntards hehe |
| 05:24.55 | Azar | peterS: exactly, they think that it is like in windows or ubuntu where they grab anything from the web and stuff it in their system |
| 05:25.42 | stoned | you know |
| 05:25.53 | stoned | ubuntu I think, and its just my opinion, is the XP of linux |
| 05:25.57 | Azar | jay: I am glad the Debian system will reject sooner or later any "outside package" the user tries to force on it. |
| 05:26.01 | peterS | Azar: and this in turn, I think, leads people to think it's possible to evaluate a distribution solely based on the installer and a list of "what version of xorg, what kernel, what version of kde, etc.". as though there were nothing more to differentiate one distribution from another. |
| 05:26.12 | unlink | Gnea: i compiled iceweasel myself and it works fine |
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| 05:26.34 | stoned | unlink: I was having issues. I compiled from source and it works |
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| 05:26.53 | unlink | stoned: amd64/sid? |
| 05:26.57 | stoned | unlink: randomly/spontaneously back function *button, alt+<-, backspace* all disabled |
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| 05:27.01 | stoned | sid/32bit |
| 05:27.03 | Azar | peterS: I am glad that Debian does not leave tards do whatever they want with it |
| 05:27.06 | unlink | ah |
| 05:27.22 | peterS | oh but we do. they just can't put their work directly into Debian without a bit of adult supervision. |
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| 05:27.23 | unlink | stoned: it would die immediately after starting for me |
| 05:27.28 | dav | is lm-sensors still the preferred way of getting cpu temp readings? |
| 05:27.28 | Azar | !beer the freeze |
| 05:27.31 | xjkx | amphi, whats that /usr/~ readme.html of vcdtools? gonna read there, i forgot :p |
| 05:27.40 | stoned | Azar: man I got half an hour to go buy beer |
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| 05:27.46 | stoned | midnight soon |
| 05:27.51 | stoned | its sunday |
| 05:28.07 | stoned | dav: yessir |
| 05:28.12 | Azar | Becks |
| 05:28.21 | stoned | Shiner Bock |
| 05:28.26 | amphi | xjkx: /usr/share/doc/vcdtools should have something |
| 05:28.32 | jay | I'm trying to find a deb package for "emesene" |
| 05:28.41 | amphi | xjkx: also the cd writing howto at tldp.org IIRC |
| 05:28.42 | Azar | I noticed lm-sensors are wasting my cpu |
| 05:28.43 | jay | can't find it on apt-get.org |
| 05:29.06 | Azar | jay: what Debian version are you running? |
| 05:29.09 | MidgetSpy | hey guys, I have an install from the release before sarge, but it is the unstable install (so is it sarge? so confused...). what is the best way to bring it up to date to etch? |
| 05:29.25 | stoned | if it is unstable, it is a very old version of sid |
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| 05:29.55 | dav | stoned: thx. i installed the package, loaded the modules that sensors-detect is telling me to load, and when i run sensors, it says "No sensors found! Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are." |
| 05:30.21 | stoned | dav: I see my core temps here at 39C |
| 05:30.27 | MidgetSpy | stoned: could be, I don't completely remember - how can I check? |
| 05:30.36 | stoned | dav: I never got errors with lmsensors so I never had to troubleshoot it |
| 05:30.38 | grasshopper | jay apt-cache search emesene gives nothing in sarge |
| 05:30.44 | stoned | someone else could possibly help you here |
| 05:31.06 | xerophyte | with mkisofs how can i give the disk name? |
| 05:31.12 | stoned | MidgetSpy: check sources.list perhaps |
| 05:31.20 | Azar | jay: what Debian version are you running? |
| 05:31.25 | dav | stoned: cool thx. my knowledge of this stuff is basically zero. do most machines have sensors anyways? i have a 2 year old dell.. |
| 05:31.28 | Azar | grasshopper: let him answer |
| 05:31.39 | MidgetSpy | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:31.44 | stoned | dav: cpus have sensors |
| 05:31.48 | stoned | 3.1 is sarge now |
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| 05:32.07 | MidgetSpy | looks like sarge unstable from sources.list |
| 05:32.07 | slopez | hi |
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| 05:32.28 | stoned | MidgetSpy: just change all instances of it all to etch and try update && dist-upgrade with apt |
| 05:32.38 | stoned | !sarge->etch |
| 05:32.39 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 05:32.41 | Supaplex | 3.1 was sarge AGES ago |
| 05:32.42 | Azar | with APTITUDE |
| 05:32.56 | stoned | I have a powerbook 3400c running sarge *testing* |
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| 05:33.02 | stoned | long time ago, never updated it |
| 05:33.04 | slopez | I would like to know why on my fresh edgy install common users can't use the su command (I'm sure of the root password) |
| 05:33.04 | Azar | bwahahahahahaha |
| 05:33.08 | stoned | shaddup |
| 05:33.08 | stoned | ! |
| 05:33.13 | slopez | does any body knows why ? |
| 05:33.14 | stoned | hehe |
| 05:33.24 | stoned | slopez: as in #ubuntu |
| 05:33.28 | stoned | ask* |
| 05:33.35 | Azar | ass |
| 05:33.43 | Azar | :) |
| 05:33.48 | stoned | that I am |
| 05:34.05 | Supaplex | stoned: mind if I axe you a question? *CHOP* |
| 05:34.06 | slopez | stoned: what ? |
| 05:34.10 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 05:34.16 | stoned | Supaplex: hehe you said it like black peole |
| 05:34.26 | stoned | can I axe you a question |
| 05:34.26 | Supaplex | slopez: go to #UBUNTU |
| 05:34.28 | MidgetSpy | http://www.pastebin.ca/351496 <-- the only mention of sarge is in the commented out first line - should I change the "unstable" lines to "stable" and then do the apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 05:34.28 | stoned | haha |
| 05:34.45 | Azar | noooooooo nonono no |
| 05:34.48 | dav | any lm-sensors expected around here? if so could you oppine on my msg addressed to stoned 5 minutes ago |
| 05:34.51 | dav | ? |
| 05:34.54 | Azar | MidgetSpy: you can't go BACK |
| 05:35.07 | Supaplex | !downgrade |
| 05:35.07 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
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| 05:35.22 | slopez | sorry not edgy etch ... I'm just leaving ubuntu on my desktop sorry for this mistake ;) |
| 05:35.29 | stoned | MidgetSpy: if it is all unstable from years ago |
| 05:35.34 | Azar | MidgetSpy: here is the ladder: stable: Sarge 3.1 > up to > testing: Etch 3.0 > up to unstable: Sid there is no way BACK |
| 05:35.35 | MidgetSpy | hehe ok that's not what I wanted - I want to go from my current install (sarge unstable) to etch |
| 05:35.39 | stoned | just change all insanes of unstable to etch and upgrade |
| 05:36.01 | stoned | deb http://debian.yorku.ca/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
| 05:36.10 | MidgetSpy | stoned: upgrade meaning run the 2 apt commands I listed above? |
| 05:36.10 | stoned | are the mirors still valid? |
| 05:36.17 | stoned | yessir |
| 05:36.17 | MidgetSpy | yeah |
| 05:36.20 | MidgetSpy | ok thanks |
| 05:36.23 | stoned | apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 05:36.39 | Azar | "aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade" is better |
| 05:36.50 | stoned | sometimes I dislike aptitude |
| 05:36.54 | Azar | aptitude install aptitude > to upgrade it first |
| 05:36.57 | xjkx | amphi, I done it, it was just to use vcdtools with the mpeg1 created :] |
| 05:37.01 | xjkx | thanks |
| 05:37.03 | Azar | stoned: good for major upgrades |
| 05:37.12 | stoned | Azar: yes, good depends resolv |
| 05:37.28 | stoned | dependency resolution |
| 05:37.39 | stoned | sounds like AA meeting |
| 05:37.39 | stoned | haha |
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| 05:38.26 | amphi | xjkx: mkvcdfs ? |
| 05:38.32 | xjkx | Yea :) |
| 05:38.44 | Azar | second call for DPL elections: me nominates stoned |
| 05:38.52 | stoned | DPL? |
| 05:39.00 | Azar | yup |
| 05:39.00 | stoned | *head scratching in progress* |
| 05:39.06 | Azar | hahaha |
| 05:39.12 | Azar | Debian Project Leader |
| 05:39.17 | stoned | oh hell o |
| 05:39.18 | xjkx | amphi, it created a vcd_image.bin vcd.toc to me, and the readme.html told me to use cdrdao on the toc file, seems like the toc file is a project |
| 05:39.21 | Azar | I mean the boss |
| 05:39.25 | stoned | thats too much responsibility |
| 05:39.33 | stoned | I'd proabably end up fucking it all up |
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| 05:39.50 | Azar | btw stoned you know what's the latest news? |
| 05:39.59 | Azar | nVidia screws Dell |
| 05:40.00 | stoned | Azar: lots of things I assume |
| 05:40.03 | amphi | xjkx: 'table of contents' I believe; did you burn the thing with cdrdao? |
| 05:40.06 | stoned | fuck dell |
| 05:40.07 | Azar | :) |
| 05:40.34 | Azar | your fault, if you wouldn't leave not so many horrors would happen there |
| 05:40.41 | stoned | lol |
| 05:40.45 | stoned | blame the stoner |
| 05:40.48 | xjkx | amphi, as soon as I find a virgin cd xD but I believe its ready, i even played the .bin file on mplayer and it played the video :] |
| 05:40.58 | stoned | Azar: you seen Tenacious D: Pick of Destiny |
| 05:41.03 | stoned | its wicked |
| 05:41.07 | Gnea | people who give up are the real fuckups :) |
| 05:41.08 | amphi | xjkx: horribly small res? |
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| 05:42.17 | xjkx | To be frank no, haha when I saw it i thought "well, maybe mplayer is full-screenning it" or something :P |
| 05:42.18 | stoned | man I love The Prodigy |
| 05:42.37 | stoned | mplayer doesn't have a certain aspect ration I need |
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| 05:42.49 | stoned | can yo specify a custo one? somehow? |
| 05:43.28 | xjkx | The bin file has 452 MB, the video has like 40 minutes, i think it's ok |
| 05:43.30 | stoned | I need 221:100 |
| 05:43.37 | stoned | I dont' see in in mplayer |
| 05:43.37 | Supaplex | would hdc=nodma disable dma on /dev/hdc? |
| 05:43.55 | Supaplex | this new cf card don't like dma it seems. :-/ |
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| 05:45.33 | Supaplex | well, atleast it booted. |
| 05:45.40 | Azar | stoned: no.. I don't think so |
| 05:46.12 | Azar | for the past six month I keep working... sometimes with no day off, 10-12hrs / day |
| 05:46.19 | Azar | haven't seen a movie |
| 05:46.27 | stoned | damn |
| 05:46.41 | stoned | I don't like to work |
| 05:46.47 | RickyRayy | what bootloader does debian use? |
| 05:46.54 | Azar | speaking of... gotta go to bed I woke up in few hours to go back to work |
| 05:47.02 | stoned | I like sleeping |
| 05:47.12 | Azar | me too, but I like the money too |
| 05:47.13 | stoned | I wish I could sleep for a living |
| 05:47.33 | xjkx | The tutorial says "cdrdao write --device your_CDR_scsi_id --driver your_CDR_driver_name vcd.toc" I have no idea of my cdr scsi id or cdr driver name :P my burning drive is /dev/hdd it's all I know, ideas? |
| 05:47.47 | Azar | good night honorables |
| 05:47.53 | stoned | later |
| 05:47.58 | amphi | xjkx: cdrdao -scanbus should tell you |
| 05:48.04 | Supaplex | RickyRayy: grub or lilo (for x86) |
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| 05:50.37 | doobian | awe its already owned |
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| 05:59.50 | peterS | pwned you mean |
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| 06:01.44 | Daemonic | how do I update my sarge system to etch? |
| 06:01.50 | macksss | If I am running debian stable would it be easy to install aria2? ( http://packages.debian.org/unstable/net/aria2 ) |
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| 06:02.33 | peterS | !sarge->etch |
| 06:02.33 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 06:02.33 | amphi | !tell Daemonic about sarge->etch |
| 06:02.42 | amphi | heh |
| 06:02.51 | diskus | macksss: not from unstable at least |
| 06:03.12 | peterS | !sarge->etch =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 06:03.12 | dpkg | OK, peterS |
| 06:03.14 | peterS | !sarge->etch =~ s/apt-get/aptitude/ |
| 06:03.17 | macksss | diskus, i don't understand what you mean |
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| 06:04.06 | diskus | macksss: well that link is from unstable, and you have stable, it's not easy to install unstable software in stable debian |
| 06:04.16 | macksss | right, but it is possible right? |
| 06:04.31 | pinks | !tell mackass about backports |
| 06:05.05 | macksss | ooooo i forgot about backports!! |
| 06:05.22 | pinks | =-O |
| 06:05.22 | macksss | i doubt they have aria2 though :-/ |
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| 06:06.15 | macksss | backports.org right? |
| 06:06.32 | macksss | maybe i haven't been to the site in a while but it's totally different lol |
| 06:06.35 | insta | hey guys, how can I restart debian's post-install wizard? I cancelled out of it too soon, and now apt segfaults whenever I try to do anything ... if I can fix the segfault, I can finish the rest up myself |
| 06:07.03 | peterS | insta: the usual way to fix apt-get segfaulting is to remove the cache files /var/cache/apt/*.bin |
| 06:07.26 | pinks | macksss: search on http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 06:08.28 | macksss | pinks, aria2 isn't on there |
| 06:08.34 | insta | no dice |
| 06:08.43 | insta | fwiw, it happens immediately, with all forms of apt/aptitude |
| 06:08.45 | insta | I can't even get to -h |
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| 06:09.34 | pinks | macksss: you had a link to it yourself |
| 06:09.50 | RickyRay | whats the difference between debian and debian sarge? |
| 06:10.08 | peterS | RickyRay: same as the difference between an Intel and an Intel Core 2 Duo |
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| 06:10.19 | Supaplex | !tell RickyRayy -about sarge |
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| 06:10.39 | viperser | i have a problem |
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| 06:10.53 | insta | it's a little blue pill |
| 06:10.59 | viperser | adduser: No more than two names. |
| 06:11.00 | insta | kinda diamond shaped |
| 06:11.02 | macksss | pinks, i don't understand |
| 06:11.15 | peterS | viperser: that seems pretty self-explanatory to me |
| 06:11.17 | RickyRayy | should i use debian sarge or latest debian instead? |
| 06:11.23 | macksss | pinks, aria2 is on there but it's in unstable/testing not stable |
| 06:11.31 | pinks | macksss: you posted a link to the package |
| 06:11.35 | viperser | there way to increase that? |
| 06:11.39 | peterS | RickyRayy: sarge is the latest stable release. but the next release is very nearly ready to become stable so I'd recommend that instead, for most people |
| 06:11.44 | pinks | macksss: exactly - that's why you have to backport it |
| 06:11.45 | peterS | RickyRayy: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:11.58 | stew | viperser: what are you trying to do? |
| 06:12.22 | viperser | increase the max users with root |
| 06:12.35 | insta | anyone know how I can fix apt? |
| 06:12.40 | peterS | viperser: you need to check what adduser actually does if you give it two names. might not be what you think. |
| 06:12.41 | stew | viperser: what do you mean? |
| 06:12.56 | macksss | pinks, it's not on backports :( |
| 06:13.04 | viperser | well i need more users added |
| 06:13.08 | peterS | macksss: that's exactly what he just said |
| 06:13.14 | macksss | oh |
| 06:13.17 | stew | viperser: "adduser newusername" |
| 06:13.23 | pinks | macksss: that's it then - no essy solution- sorry |
| 06:14.06 | macksss | pinks, alright well thanks anyway |
| 06:14.12 | pinks | macksss: depending on how brave you're feeling you can force it to backport - but be ready for trouble |
| 06:14.37 | pinks | macksss: it's only a downloader - what's the big deal? |
| 06:15.55 | Daemonic | wow.. sarge is sooo out dated. =\ |
| 06:16.13 | Tallu | Daemonic: it's stable. |
| 06:16.35 | Daemonic | good point. I'll shutup and drink another beer. k. thanks. |
| 06:16.59 | pinks | !tell Daemonic about upgrade |
| 06:17.05 | macksss | pinks, i need a multithreaded downloader than does ssl + l/p |
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| 06:17.17 | pinks | macksss: ok |
| 06:17.36 | macksss | pinks, axel works some times....it generally craps out |
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| 06:25.46 | viperser | how do u remove a user? |
| 06:25.56 | Gnea | deluser |
| 06:25.57 | stew | viperser: with userdel |
| 06:26.20 | stew | viperser: either one, but they behave differently, you should check the manpages |
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| 06:29.15 | RickyRayy | is this the installer i'm supposed to download ? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
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| 06:30.04 | sk4nK | is there an easy way to get the number of (hard)links to a directory? (currently awk'ing ls)... (or, a better way than that to detect if a folder is a currently mounted mountpoint) |
| 06:31.52 | peterS | sk4nK: 'stat -c%h' but I don't see how that helps you find mount points |
| 06:33.49 | sk4nK | peterS: thats the one, thanks... I have noticed when you mount smbfs, the references to the directory drops to 1 (I assume because the '..' reference is no longer counted). possibly doesn't work with other FS's though, so a better way might be in order. |
| 06:34.30 | graytron | i thought directories couldn't be hardlinked |
| 06:35.22 | sk4nK | graytron: they can't be with the link command, but they naturally have 2 hardlinks when they are created (themselves and the '.' directory). or so is my understanding... |
| 06:35.22 | peterS | sk4nK: the way to tell when you hit a mount point is that 'stat -c%d' is different for $FOO than for $FOO/.. |
| 06:36.02 | peterS | sk4nK: so like on my system, "stat -c%d /usr/src /usr/src/.." shows 2 different numbers, since /usr/src is a separate filesystem from /usr |
| 06:36.29 | peterS | this doesn't apply to / of course, since /.. is the same filesystem as / |
| 06:37.05 | RickyRayy | where can i find the installation docs for http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso ? |
| 06:37.36 | sk4nK | peterS: that seems like a more elegant and reliable system than mine. thanks. |
| 06:37.36 | graytron | sk4nK: you mean themselves (.) and any number of subdirectories pointing to them (..) ? |
| 06:37.56 | peterS | RickyRayy: go to www.debian.org, click on the link labeled "Installation manual" |
| 06:38.32 | sk4nK | graytron: no, i mean themselves (the directory name) and the contained '.', and then (once they have sub directories) any '..' links. |
| 06:38.36 | graytron | sk4nK: ok |
| 06:39.08 | viperser | anyone run rtorrent with debian? |
| 06:40.05 | peterS | sk4nK: here's a shell function for ya: is_mnt_point () { test $(stat -c%d "$1") = $(stat -c%d "$1/.."); } |
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| 06:40.30 | peterS | then you can say in your script: if is_mnt_point /home; then .......; fi |
| 06:40.33 | RickyRayy | peterS: i'm already there. there are several versions avail. none of which say 31r4 |
| 06:40.48 | peterS | RickyRayy: they do say 3.1 which is the same thing |
| 06:40.55 | UstasW | Hello |
| 06:41.13 | peterS | the installation hasn't changed between 3.1 and 3.1r4 |
| 06:41.19 | RickyRayy | ok |
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| 06:42.04 | RickyRayy | peterS: how do i know which version to get? none of the install manuals say x86 amd |
| 06:42.10 | UstasW | private |
| 06:42.54 | peterS | RickyRayy: AMD makes two kinds of chips for desktop computers, Intel x86 compatible, and amd64 compatible. amd64 is not supported by official debian 3.1r4 so that leaves Intel x86 |
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| 06:43.24 | RickyRayy | peterS: thanks |
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| 06:43.39 | predder | I just did a bios update, the initrd now looks at --> "/dev/.static/dev/.static/dev/sda5" for my drive (can't find it and then kernel panics) is this location normal? |
| 06:44.03 | predder | (yes, that's not a typo it repeats /dev 3 imes and .static twice |
| 06:44.07 | RickyRayy | peterS: as soon as i'm done the net-installer cd, it will load debian onto my machine at which point it becomes bootable and i can use irssi instantly? |
| 06:44.28 | peterS | RickyRayy: you can use irssi as soon as you install it. the package is named 'irssi-text' in 3.1r4. |
| 06:44.28 | jetscreamer | no you have to apt-get install irssi first |
| 06:44.38 | RickyRayy | peterS: i can just create a new user with 'useradd -g -m users rickyray' |
| 06:44.40 | jetscreamer | takes maybe 4 minutes or so |
| 06:44.43 | sk4nK | peterS: can't seem to get the function to work (never used them, have to have a look how) but the logic works. thanks. |
| 06:45.02 | jetscreamer | apt-get update first though |
| 06:45.27 | peterS | jetscreamer: why would you do that? hasn't the freshly installed system already used apt? |
| 06:45.39 | peterS | and if it's already used apt, that means it has already run apt-get update |
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| 06:45.55 | RickyRayy | peterS: i'm new to debian as you know. (coming from gentoo, which fairly new to as well). on gentoo as soon as it's intalled i can type emerge irssi and it installs irssi. what do i type on debian ? |
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| 06:46.07 | peterS | RickyRayy: aptitude install irssi-text |
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| 06:46.38 | peterS | RickyRayy: or do as I do and just run 'aptitude' by itself, for a full-screen package manager UI. it takes some getting used to but it's a really nice application once you know how to use it |
| 06:46.40 | RickyRayy | then i can immediately use irssi by typing irssi-text? |
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| 06:46.54 | jetscreamer | probably just irssi |
| 06:46.58 | jetscreamer | i forget though |
| 06:47.05 | RickyRayy | ahh ok |
| 06:47.06 | jetscreamer | there's also the irssi package now |
| 06:47.09 | jetscreamer | and plugins |
| 06:47.09 | peterS | the irssi program itself is just called irssi. the package name is irssi-text for historical reasons (there was once an effort at an irssi-x package too). |
| 06:47.16 | jetscreamer | !info irssi |
| 06:47.19 | dpkg | irssi: (terminal based IRC client), section net, is optional. Version: 0.8.10-2 (sid), Packaged size: 1035 kB, Installed size: 2800 kB |
| 06:47.19 | RickyRayy | is nano still the default text editor in debian? |
| 06:47.30 | peterS | jetscreamer: dude. pay attention. he is using stable, where irssi is named irssi-text. stop giving useless and confusing information. |
| 06:47.37 | jetscreamer | they are moving away from irssi-text iirc but i forget |
| 06:47.39 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 06:47.50 | jetscreamer | ok and when is etch? |
| 06:48.00 | peterS | !topicsmite jetscreamer |
| 06:48.00 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon jetscreamer. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
| 06:48.05 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 06:48.53 | peterS | RickyRayy: I think nano is installed by default, but there are a zillion other editors people often install, foremost of these being perhaps vim and emacs21 |
| 06:48.57 | RickyRayy | are most apps have -text added onto their name or just irssi? |
| 06:49.25 | peterS | RickyRayy: just irssi, for historical reasons. there was once an effort at another package irssi-x but nothing ever came of it. so _after_ debian 3.1 was released, irssi-text has been renamed to irssi |
| 06:50.17 | jetscreamer | xchat-text, gftp-text |
| 06:50.17 | RickyRayy | am i using an old debian or what? (3.1)? |
| 06:50.17 | peterS | RickyRayy: if you don't want to use the aptitude full-screen package browser, the easiest way to find packages you might want to install is 'apt-cache search one or more search terms' and then 'apt-cache show packagename' |
| 06:50.25 | jetscreamer | it will be the old one soon, but not yet |
| 06:50.44 | jetscreamer | was supposed to be the old one in december |
| 06:50.46 | RickyRayy | maybe i shouldn't install this version and install some later version instead? |
| 06:50.53 | jetscreamer | up2u |
| 06:50.55 | peterS | RickyRayy: 3.1 was released in mid-2005 so yeah most people consider it old now. the next release, 4.0, was supposed to be out by now but it's delayed as usual. you can use that one instead, it works pretty well. http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 06:51.22 | RickyRayy | what version are you geeks using? |
| 06:51.25 | jetscreamer | i just used an etch nightly installer about 2 weeks ago |
| 06:51.34 | jetscreamer | but i prefer sid |
| 06:51.43 | peterS | yeah etch and sid. etch being the upcoming debian 4.0. |
| 06:51.45 | Supaplex | it tastes like REAL meat |
| 06:52.08 | RickyRayy | so etch is the latest? |
| 06:52.14 | RickyRayy | does it also have a net-inst? |
| 06:52.22 | jetscreamer | yes to both, mostly |
| 06:52.27 | peterS | RickyRayy: yes. see the web page I just pointed you to |
| 06:52.36 | jetscreamer | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 06:52.59 | peterS | RickyRayy: so your AMD chip, is it 64-bit? if so you want the 'amd64' netinst image, if not you want the 'i386' netinst image |
| 06:53.02 | RickyRayy | click on the link called, Debian Installer etch RC1? |
| 06:53.19 | peterS | RickyRayy: there is no link 'debian installer etch rc1', that link was removed because rc1 is broken at the moment |
| 06:53.24 | jetscreamer | i used a nightly myself, not sure about which rc |
| 06:53.27 | RickyRayy | actually everytime i use a 64bit o/s i'm severely limited in software so i'm just going to stick with 32bit but thanks |
| 06:53.31 | jetscreamer | i think they're up to rc3 aren't they? |
| 06:53.35 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 06:53.41 | stew | no, rc2 isn't out yet |
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| 06:53.54 | peterS | oh I guess there is a link labeled "etch rc1" - but it's a link to the news item about how it is broken (: |
| 06:53.56 | danke | hello, i search a string in a directory that has filnemas wich contains spaces, but i get errors, the command i use find -type f -print0 | xargs -r0 grep -F 'string' |
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| 06:54.52 | RickyRayy | i tried using gentoo 64bit and after things were installed and i had kde finally going, i realized i could barely watch movies as the win32codecs package was mainly suported for mplayer 32bit |
| 06:54.52 | peterS | danke: the errors are actually probably because grep is being given directory names as well as filenames. perhaps you just want to use grep -r -F 'string' instead of find and xargs |
| 06:55.12 | stew | danke: i think you want -0, not -r0 |
| 06:55.29 | peterS | stew: no he probably does mean -r0, xargs -r is very useful |
| 06:56.04 | RickyRayy | do i just label my cd for this file here as 'debian etch'? http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 06:56.05 | stew | oh, my mistake |
| 06:56.24 | peterS | RickyRayy: I'd call it "debian etch netinst daily i386 11 Feb 2006", but that's just me |
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| 06:56.39 | peterS | RickyRayy: in fact I wouldn't bother to write "Debian" because I know what etch is (: |
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| 06:56.56 | peterS | and I'd even write 2007 instead of 2006, if I were thinking |
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| 06:57.32 | niru | To get net install option where I need to modify the d-i |
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| 06:57.51 | RickyRayy | lol |
| 06:57.56 | jetscreamer | it will be outdated in a bit anyway |
| 06:58.07 | RickyRayy | i even wrote 2006 also |
| 06:58.13 | peterS | jetscreamer: yeah but it should work even after etch is officially released, so it retains its usefulness |
| 06:58.18 | RickyRayy | i must be living int he past too |
| 06:58.23 | peterS | yeah |
| 06:58.53 | RickyRayy | the precedure is the same for etch? aptitude install irssi-text ? |
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| 06:59.00 | jetscreamer | yes |
| 06:59.06 | peterS | RickyRayy: yeah except that in etch irssi-text has been renamed back to irssi |
| 06:59.16 | peterS | the way it should have been all along (: |
| 06:59.23 | jetscreamer | optionally you could apt-get install irssi irssi-text and irssi-plugins , iirc :) |
| 06:59.33 | RickyRayy | how do i search the aptitude again for packages? |
| 06:59.40 | jetscreamer | there's still the legacy metapackage i think |
| 06:59.51 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search <searchterm> |
| 06:59.52 | peterS | RickyRayy: 'apt-cache search'. there is also 'aptitude search' which has more fancy features, but it's also much slower than apt-cache so I rarely use it |
| 07:00.02 | krazykit | RickyRayy, aptitude search, or in aptitude, / |
| 07:00.09 | krazykit | for the package names |
| 07:00.17 | RickyRayy | k k |
| 07:00.21 | jetscreamer | wow just like dselect |
| 07:00.28 | peterS | so for example 'apt-cache search irc client curses' to find a curses-based irc client |
| 07:00.30 | RickyRayy | i can't wait for this download to complete to install this again |
| 07:00.56 | jetscreamer | lets confuse him and recommed dselect instead |
| 07:01.05 | jetscreamer | mend |
| 07:01.37 | peterS | that's not funny |
| 07:01.56 | jetscreamer | it is if you really prefer dselect :) |
| 07:02.16 | peterS | yeah but nobody has really preferred dselect since 2004, when I switched to aptitude. I was the last dselect user. |
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| 07:02.39 | jetscreamer | no, me and one other guy prefer it.. i forget who though. |
| 07:02.57 | peterS | I was only third-to-last? wow. |
| 07:03.21 | jetscreamer | i've seen it resolve dependencies that apt-get -f or aptitude couldn't |
| 07:03.38 | stew | maybe peterS was the one other guy |
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| 07:03.47 | peterS | that's true. it used to be better than apt at dependency resolution. |
| 07:03.49 | jetscreamer | no i'd remember if it was him |
| 07:03.55 | RickyRayy | i gotta switch os's and backup some important files before making the switch |
| 07:04.11 | RickyRayy | should be back on within 45 mins with debian etch using irssi |
| 07:04.22 | jetscreamer | 30 maybe |
| 07:04.25 | peterS | RickyRayy: optimist (: but good luck anyway, it _should_ be a smooth experience, we hope |
| 07:04.40 | RickyRayy | hehe |
| 07:04.59 | jetscreamer | but after it's installed, there are still standard packages that aren't.. iirc. |
| 07:05.01 | RickyRayy | i didn't have trouble with gentoo because and i did a manual install where you compile kernel and setup network etc |
| 07:05.14 | peterS | RickyRayy: yeah but I bet it took you more than 45 minutes (: |
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| 07:05.22 | RickyRayy | the trouble that i did have the helpful geeks at #gentoo helped me through |
| 07:05.34 | RickyRayy | yes |
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| 07:05.43 | peterS | @wb |
| 07:05.44 | ravenbird | thanks, peters. It's good to be back. |
| 07:05.58 | RickyRayy | i was booted into the live cd performing the install for over 5 hours before i rebooted into the hardrive loading the kernel |
| 07:06.25 | jetscreamer | i did a stage 1 once.. or 3, whichever is the wimp one |
| 07:06.25 | peterS | RickyRayy: we hope debian-installer is a bit more painless than that. as one of the developers likes to say, the default install requires fewer keystrokes than entering the Windows XP license key |
| 07:06.28 | Supaplex | what's grub mean when it says read error on boot? I have a 1GB CF card that boots fine with qemu -snapshot /dev/sda on this machine (via usb2<->CF adapter). The machine it should be in has an onboard CF slot that's /dev/hdc. The 256M card I had was working fine before this upgrade. I dd if=256mb of=1gb and ran fsck.ext3+ext2prepare+ext2resize+ext3 on the 1gb card to (to expand it to the full 1gb size). |
| 07:06.32 | RickyRayy | i didn't know what a kernel was or grub or lilo so there was much to learn |
| 07:07.10 | krazykit | jetscreamer, stage 3 |
| 07:07.20 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 07:07.48 | RickyRayy | is it ok to install debian first then and then vista? |
| 07:07.49 | jetscreamer | then i chose debian |
| 07:07.58 | krazykit | RickyRayy, simpler the other way around |
| 07:07.59 | RickyRayy | i know it's easier the other way around, but is it possible? |
| 07:08.02 | stew | Supaplex: you may need to play with /boot/grub/device.map and the #groot= line in menu.lst |
| 07:08.03 | jetscreamer | make a grub boot floppy |
| 07:08.14 | peterS | RickyRayy: vista is likely to wipe out your grub boot sector and make it a bit more challenging to boot linux. so the usual way to do it is to install microsoft OSes first then everything else you want |
| 07:08.16 | jetscreamer | vista re-overwirtes your mbr when it gets changed |
| 07:08.21 | jetscreamer | every reboot |
| 07:08.40 | peterS | every reboot? lovely. I guess that's to combat MBR viruses |
| 07:08.42 | jetscreamer | writes |
| 07:08.45 | krazykit | seriously? |
| 07:08.49 | jetscreamer | not sure why i just know it does |
| 07:08.51 | jetscreamer | yeah |
| 07:08.51 | peterS | or alternative OSes |
| 07:08.51 | RickyRayy | ahh ok, so install win vista, then linux? |
| 07:09.00 | jetscreamer | have a grub floppy |
| 07:09.08 | Supaplex | take vista back for a refund :P |
| 07:09.12 | peterS | I've never used windows vista, and I kinda hope to keep it that way |
| 07:09.14 | RickyRayy | i don't have a grub floppy. can i make a grub cd? |
| 07:09.14 | krazykit | jetscreamer, i think you're wrong... i know someone who has vista and ubuntu in dual-boot... |
| 07:09.27 | Supaplex | peterS: ditto! :) |
| 07:09.30 | jetscreamer | i had the beta and it did it |
| 07:09.47 | RickyRayy | i'm on a quad boot right now. win server 2003, win vista. gentoo linux and win xp sp2 |
| 07:10.02 | RickyRayy | i installed vista last and had to reinstall grub |
| 07:10.10 | RickyRayy | but i used a gentoo live cd for that |
| 07:10.23 | jetscreamer | yeah if you do ms last you'll have to do that at least once |
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| 07:11.07 | Supaplex | stew: it won't even pull up a grub prompt, or a menu. |
| 07:11.12 | Decepticon | man youtube-dl |
| 07:11.12 | peterS | I don't see how you people can stand these dual boot, quad boot messes. it means you're constantly having to reboot your machine to get into your other OS. half the reason I _use_ Unix OSes is so I can forget what it's like to be constantly rebooting! |
| 07:11.14 | moshii | I'm trying to make it so that users get booted out after being inactive for X hours.. I'm sure I did it in PAM before, but I can't find how to do it again. Any pointers? ^^ |
| 07:11.21 | Decepticon | dpkg -l youtube-dl |
| 07:11.22 | dpkg | ii youtube-dl 2.2-1 decepticon's private gamp collection |
| 07:11.24 | Supaplex | works fine in qemu here, not on hdc there... |
| 07:11.40 | Decepticon | what the hell is Decepticon's private gamp collection |
| 07:11.50 | peterS | Decepticon: gamp is gay asian midget porn |
| 07:11.52 | jetscreamer | i need another box.. dual booting does suck, but i need access to >1 os |
| 07:11.54 | moshii | peterS: Unix is unix.. for those times you need anything else there's qemu :D |
| 07:11.55 | Supaplex | dpkg -r Decepticon |
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| 07:12.07 | Decepticon | why am i being harrassed all of a sudden :( |
| 07:12.09 | RickyRayy | i'm with jetscream >1 os |
| 07:12.18 | peterS | Decepticon: you started it, you addressed dpkg the bot |
| 07:12.18 | krazykit | badgers -r Supaplex |
| 07:12.19 | Supaplex | Decepticon: dpkg is a bot :) |
| 07:12.28 | Decepticon | i know dpkg is a bot! |
| 07:12.31 | jetscreamer | no he's not! |
| 07:12.34 | Decepticon | thats why i did dpkg -l |
| 07:12.34 | krazykit | badgers > dpkg |
| 07:12.35 | badgers | krazykit: wish i knew |
| 07:12.35 | peterS | she. |
| 07:12.36 | jetscreamer | !botsnack |
| 07:12.37 | dpkg | :), jetscreamer |
| 07:12.42 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 07:12.43 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 07:12.45 | RickyRayy | anyone here ever use grub 4 dos? |
| 07:12.49 | RickyRayy | with ntldr? |
| 07:13.02 | Supaplex | RickyRayy: yes, www.goodbye-windows.com |
| 07:13.04 | krazykit | RickyRayy, the debian.exe installer uses it, iirc |
| 07:13.04 | jetscreamer | i use grub to boot both dos and w2k |
| 07:13.12 | jetscreamer | if that's what you mean |
| 07:13.32 | Decepticon | how do i get the package youtube-dl |
| 07:13.45 | moshii | RickyRayy: I don't see the point in using windows' bootloader first when you can boot windows fine with grub |
| 07:13.47 | Decepticon | i cant see it on apt-cache search youtube-dl |
| 07:13.48 | Supaplex | Decepticon: uhm where is it? |
| 07:14.01 | peterS | Decepticon: so you can watch more GAMP? why would I tell you? |
| 07:14.12 | moshii | Decepticon: Do you know if it's in debian? |
| 07:14.22 | RickyRayy | Supaplex: should i use this? http://www.goodbye-windows.com/ |
| 07:14.22 | Decepticon | overload! |
| 07:14.23 | Supaplex | Decepticon: if it's not on packages.debian.org it's either 3rd party, expriemntal, in some other repo, or fake. |
| 07:14.24 | jetscreamer | Decepticon: try the mozilla-vlc plugin |
| 07:14.29 | jetscreamer | or whatever the name is |
| 07:14.43 | Supaplex | RickyRayy: it's only tested on win2k+xp |
| 07:14.50 | peterS | Decepticon: anyway I don't bother with a downloader app, I just use the keepvid.com online service. every time I get a youtube URL it means I'm already in close proximity to a web browser, so that's convenient enough |
| 07:15.03 | Decepticon | oh right, i could do that |
| 07:15.06 | RickyRayy | for some reason gentoo grub (64 bit) was having trouble finding my windows installs so i chose grub4dos to use on the ntldr |
| 07:15.15 | peterS | Decepticon: I don't use youtube for GAMP though |
| 07:15.20 | Decepticon | neither do i |
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| 07:15.26 | jetscreamer | what is gamp |
| 07:15.26 | Decepticon | i didnt even know what GAMP was until YOU told me |
| 07:15.32 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 07:15.34 | Supaplex | !gamp |
| 07:15.35 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! |
| 07:15.35 | moshii | RickyRayy: grub is compiled for 64bit .. the bootloader stage?! |
| 07:15.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 07:15.47 | jetscreamer | now that i've heard of |
| 07:15.57 | RickyRayy | ahh ok, i'm not sure what was wrong then |
| 07:16.01 | peterS | moshii: eh? at the boot loader stage the CPU is not in 64-bit mode |
| 07:16.17 | moshii | peterS: exactly what I thought |
| 07:16.22 | moshii | peterS: hence the ?! |
| 07:16.35 | jetscreamer | henceforth! |
| 07:16.42 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 07:16.43 | RickyRayy | i'm going to go wipe my drives. setup some partitions. install vista, then if you don't see me in 1 hour latest, consider me gone forever |
| 07:16.54 | RickyRayy | nah jk, 2 hours latest |
| 07:16.54 | peterS | farewell, RickyRayy |
| 07:17.14 | moshii | peterS: you can't use more than 640k of memory or something stupid at that stage either |
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| 07:17.18 | peterS | see you on that one tv show ... what was it ... Windows Most Wanted |
| 07:17.23 | RickyRayy | as long as i find a way to get irssi working i should be fine. at the worst i'll have to boot back into windows to run mirc and come here for help |
| 07:17.27 | Mamatroni | Hi |
| 07:17.43 | RickyRayy | ok ttyl thanks for tips + help |
| 07:17.44 | Supaplex | RickyRayy: there is irssi for cygwin :) |
| 07:17.45 | RickyRayy | cya |
| 07:17.49 | Mamatroni | Everytime I try to install Debian |
| 07:17.51 | peterS | RickyRayy: now now, I think you can get xchat for windows, you don't _have_ to put up with mirc |
| 07:18.08 | moshii | you can use irssi in cygwin too |
| 07:18.11 | RickyRayy | ok i'll have to look into that when i got my setup finished |
| 07:18.12 | RickyRayy | ttyl |
| 07:18.16 | Mamatroni | It says: "The media wasn't partitionable" |
| 07:18.20 | Mamatroni | what can i do? |
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| 07:19.24 | Mamatroni | Please some one help me |
| 07:19.35 | peterS | what kind of hard disk do you have? |
| 07:19.57 | Mamatroni | I don't know, I have a Toshiba Equium |
| 07:20.04 | Mamatroni | 40 GB |
| 07:20.18 | peterS | oh, I don't know anything about that model, but it doesn't seem like it should cause any problems |
| 07:20.19 | Mamatroni | It install windows as well |
| 07:20.29 | Mamatroni | but i can't install debian:( |
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| 07:20.42 | peterS | Mamatroni: are you trying to install debian 3.1 or the etch prerelease? |
| 07:20.46 | moshii | Mamatroni: press alt-f1 or alt-f2 in the installer and look at the dmesg output |
| 07:21.07 | Mamatroni | 3.1r4 |
| 07:21.42 | Mamatroni | moshii, when it give the error? |
| 07:21.49 | peterS | Mamatroni: 3.1 has trouble with a lot of newer hardware. our current suggestion is to move to the not-yet-released 4.0, install images available at www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:22.45 | moshii | Mamatroni: any time after loading the modules for IDE etc should be fine.. the reason I said to do it is that it should tell you at least what hardware you have |
| 07:23.09 | Mamatroni | http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ thats 3.1 |
| 07:23.21 | Mamatroni | ok |
| 07:23.23 | moshii | Mamatroni: Although what peters suggested is probably quicker in the long run |
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| 07:24.59 | Mamatroni | Should i try an older version? |
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| 07:27.13 | dimir | Morning! |
| 07:27.33 | Mamatroni | Please help me |
| 07:28.08 | Supaplex | Mamatroni: are your drives serial ata? |
| 07:28.09 | Gnea | what? |
| 07:28.39 | Loady | hi. does anyone know what dir postfix chroots to? |
| 07:29.03 | Gnea | Mamatroni: have you pressed F1 or any of the other help keys at boottime? |
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| 07:29.51 | Mamatroni | http://www.elgiganten.dk/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/store-elgigantenDK-Site/da_DK/-/DKK/El_DisplayProductInformation-Start;pgid=BSSz6oZKU8dSR0EjRNJBwx1k0000mcWEFUVJ?ProductID=syzD4QFHpfoAAAEOH749B5h.&CatalogCategoryID=..TD4QFHP2UAAAEOlhA03xiY&Selected=Specifications#t_category_tabcontent |
| 07:29.55 | Mamatroni | All specs there |
| 07:30.09 | Mamatroni | gnea, no |
| 07:30.12 | simonrvn | worst URI i've seen in ages |
| 07:30.17 | Gnea | Mamatroni: i'm not looking at that. http://tinyurl.com |
| 07:30.48 | Mamatroni | http://tinyurl.com/3a6wyk |
| 07:30.59 | Gnea | Mamatroni: ok, well until you've done so and you've read what they have to say, then we'll help you after |
| 07:31.13 | Gnea | oh yeah, you should follow the directions too |
| 07:31.34 | Supaplex | it says nothing of the harddisk type |
| 07:32.05 | Mamatroni | Ok, I reboot now and try. |
| 07:32.14 | pyrohotdog | So, I have a file -_filename_-, and when I try to rm it, I get "rm: invalid option -- _" |
| 07:32.29 | simonrvn | escape the - |
| 07:32.39 | pyrohotdog | I tried. |
| 07:32.41 | Supaplex | Mamatroni: see if the toshiba website has specs on the harddisk. otherwise, you'll have to check the hardware devices in windows, or msinfo32, or even lspci in linux. |
| 07:32.46 | simonrvn | next time don't name stuff or accept stuff named that way |
| 07:32.54 | simonrvn | use \ |
| 07:33.18 | Supaplex | pyrohotdog: try the full path? I suggest using -i, -f in these sitations can bite back |
| 07:33.53 | stew | pyrohotdog: rm -- -_filename_- |
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| 07:34.12 | pyrohotdog | I've tried the escape character. |
| 07:34.17 | RickyDead | what windows chat client was that you telling me to try out again? |
| 07:34.20 | Supaplex | perl -e 'unlink qq(-_filename_-)' |
| 07:34.20 | pyrohotdog | Supaplex:: Full path worked. :) |
| 07:34.23 | peterS | pyrohotdog: rm ./-_.... |
| 07:34.36 | Supaplex | RickyDead: xchat or irssi+cygwin |
| 07:34.36 | pyrohotdog | I got 'er. Thanks everyone. :) |
| 07:34.38 | peterS | pyrohotdog: the ./ prefix works wonders, it just means "in the current directory" but it makes the - no longer be the first character |
| 07:34.55 | pyrohotdog | Interesting, I'll remember that. :) |
| 07:35.11 | simonrvn | i'm using ./ half the time nowadays |
| 07:35.20 | peterS | simonrvn: and reading /. the other half the time? |
| 07:35.24 | Supaplex | tabcompletion++ |
| 07:35.31 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 07:35.38 | simonrvn | i stay away from there, i don't see much value in it |
| 07:35.46 | simonrvn | indeed |
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| 07:36.24 | peterS | hmmm, I need some short range wireless peripheral technology, so I can sing "Every day I have the BlueZ" |
| 07:36.26 | Supaplex | hummm |
| 07:36.41 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 07:37.03 | peterS | (BlueZ being the name for the linux kernel bluetooth driver code) |
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| 07:37.26 | Supaplex | peterS: so, with or without perfect pitch combing? |
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| 07:37.39 | peterS | what is 'perfect pitch combing'? |
| 07:37.52 | Tallu | peterS: dont suggest using bluetooth with a kernel older than 2.6.20, though! |
| 07:37.53 | Mamatroni | It is a Toshiba MK4039*** |
| 07:38.03 | Mamatroni | *** i cant remember the last 3 chars |
| 07:38.18 | peterS | Supaplex: anyway "Every Day I Have the Blues" is actually a blues song, perfect pitch would totally miss the point |
| 07:39.04 | unlink | I love oopsless boots. |
| 07:39.13 | Gnea | Mamatroni: have you checked toshiba's website? |
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| 07:39.24 | peterS | unlink: you could patch your kernel not to display oops messages |
| 07:39.42 | unlink | peterS: true |
| 07:39.52 | unlink | peterS: i like knowing why stuff is broken though |
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| 07:40.08 | Mamatroni | Maybe ubuntu is easier |
| 07:40.26 | peterS | Mamatroni: did you try the etch installer like I suggested 15 minutes ago? |
| 07:40.38 | Gnea | ubuntu is most certainly good for elementary users |
| 07:40.42 | unlink | though to tell you the truth i still have no idea why iceweasel/iceape/epiphany are getting SIGKILL on startup |
| 07:40.54 | peterS | unlink: my fault. I'll try to stop sending those signals |
| 07:41.05 | Supaplex | peterS: there might be another term for it, and I don't recall the song (blue?) that makes me think of it. it's a filter used on the volcals to amplify the perfect pitch ranges |
| 07:41.06 | unlink | would you be a dear? |
| 07:41.47 | Mamatroni | Peter, i'll but i don't know what it is |
| 07:41.50 | peterS | Supaplex: yeah it wouldn't work very well on blues songs, not if the person singing actually has a clue how to sing blues |
| 07:41.57 | Supaplex | hehe yea |
| 07:42.07 | Mamatroni | and its the same version |
| 07:42.10 | Mamatroni | 3.1 |
| 07:42.23 | Mamatroni | is the same version that i have |
| 07:42.30 | peterS | Mamatroni: I do believe I even provided information and a link. I don't like to repeat myself but ok. etch is the not-yet-released debian 4.0, see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 07:43.06 | Gnea | peterS: it's not use, he's illiterate |
| 07:43.21 | Supaplex | I'd spring for a daily build. I think the RC* are still b0ked with that key expiry bug |
| 07:43.29 | moshii | peterS: The di page doesn't have direct links to the RC installer |
| 07:43.35 | peterS | Supaplex: indeed, the daily builds are the only think linked from that page right now, since rc2 is not released yet |
| 07:43.39 | moshii | peterS: and also says it's broken |
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| 07:43.51 | peterS | moshii: correct, it is broken, that's why it doesn't have links to it. you have to use the daily builds |
| 07:44.15 | Supaplex | or if you're stuck in windows, try www.goodbye-windows.com (which ever is eaiser for you) |
| 07:44.27 | Supaplex | that pulls from the daily netboot images |
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| 07:46.43 | Mamatroni | Well Windows is easier |
| 07:46.49 | Mamatroni | but, i'll try open source |
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| 07:47.13 | Mamatroni | I think its important that i have access to the source |
| 07:47.26 | Supaplex | Mamatroni: what windows release? |
| 07:47.48 | Gnea | Mamatroni: hi, welcome to open source, where we don't get paid to help you, so please, do yourself and everyone else a favor and RTFM before asking questions. if you need a manual to read, feel free to ask. :) |
| 07:48.02 | Mamatroni | XP |
| 07:48.34 | Mamatroni | :) |
| 07:48.36 | Supaplex | Mamatroni: yea, try the site. XP works fine with that loader. (vista is yet untested, but expected to not work right now) |
| 07:49.06 | Mamatroni | I was trying to install solaris |
| 07:49.11 | Mamatroni | i couldnt that too:S |
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| 07:49.47 | Supaplex | enterprise users may disagree, but IMO, linux > slowaris |
| 07:50.51 | Supaplex | humm I have NFC why that 1GB CF card won't boot. the 256 does just fine. Would grub care that /dev/hdc1 grew between these two images? oh, maybe ext2resize moved stuff around. mmm but it boots in qemu. grr. |
| 07:50.56 | Mamatroni | I don't use sun any more |
| 07:51.06 | oem | /? |
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| 07:51.10 | Mamatroni | Because you can't download it from Iran:S |
| 07:51.20 | Supaplex | lol |
| 07:51.29 | Mamatroni | Then won't to use it |
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| 07:51.33 | peterS | Supaplex: I wouldn't trust grub to run after ext2resize. even grub needs to know the hard-coded location of some of its bits on disk, before it gets to the stage (stage 1.5) of being able to read the filesystem |
| 07:51.41 | Gnea | Mamatroni: how old are you? |
| 07:51.45 | Mamatroni | 16 |
| 07:51.48 | Mamatroni | You? |
| 07:51.54 | Gnea | older |
| 07:51.55 | Supaplex | peterS: but why does it boot from qemu? |
| 07:52.05 | Mamatroni | Ok, good for you:) |
| 07:52.11 | Gnea | i've known 16 year olds who know how to read the manual |
| 07:52.15 | Gnea | and can figure this out |
| 07:52.31 | Mamatroni | english is my 5. langauge |
| 07:52.31 | Gnea | instead of sitting on irc complaining about how windows is easier to use and how they couldn't figure solaris out :) |
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| 07:52.35 | Supaplex | youngins have better plasticity in their noggin |
| 07:52.55 | Supaplex | *if* they make the effort to use it |
| 07:52.57 | Gnea | Mamatroni: there's a good chance that instructions are in your language |
| 07:53.25 | sparr | is there any GUI for update-alternatives? |
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| 07:54.12 | hark | sparr: galternatives |
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| 07:56.38 | Mamatroni | Can some phones run linux? |
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| 07:56.52 | Supaplex | I think I'll crab some Z's first. anyways... |
| 07:56.58 | Gnea | phones? |
| 07:57.16 | Supaplex | !stab Supaplex's issue |
| 07:58.02 | Gnea | some of them run windows... who knows |
| 07:58.02 | Supaplex | define the phone in question. |
| 07:58.16 | Mamatroni | a pocket device, linux can run at |
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| 07:58.42 | Mamatroni | Like Nokia 60Serie |
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| 07:59.05 | Supaplex | !gtfw |
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| 07:59.39 | unlink | Gnea: the home-compiled version ended up not helping |
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| 08:00.24 | unlink | what on earth could be sending SIGKILL? |
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| 08:02.29 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 08:04.01 | Ramattack | Ihi everybody |
| 08:04.32 | Ramattack | the ammount of total memory free on linux is given by free and the value of the right in the second line isn't it? |
| 08:04.36 | dimir | hi |
| 08:04.56 | Ramattack | hi |
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| 08:05.36 | dimir | I think it's cached + free. |
| 08:05.42 | jelly-home | Ramattack: essentially yes |
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| 08:06.49 | Ramattack | jelly-home I though it was but was in doubt little moments |
| 08:06.56 | Ramattack | jelly-home why essentially? |
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| 08:07.31 | jelly-home | Ramattack: well, you can't actually use all of it, kernel will always keep some of it free |
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| 08:09.00 | Ramattack | yep ok... but the actual amount of free memory for runnings proccesess and aplications + for the kernel is that value |
| 08:09.10 | DavidW2 | can anyone run /usr/share/asp.net2-demos/index.aspx? I get an error message: Type not found. |
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| 08:12.19 | Ramattack | dimir cached + free? |
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| 08:13.00 | jelly-home | free on the second line = free + cached + buffers from the first line |
| 08:13.20 | Ramattack | I take this from free -m : total used free shared buffers cached |
| 08:13.20 | Ramattack | Mem: 1012 812 199 0 89 92 |
| 08:13.20 | Ramattack | -/+ buffers/cache: 630 381 |
| 08:13.20 | Ramattack | Swap: 2588 0 2588 |
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| 08:13.39 | Ramattack | wow |
| 08:13.44 | Ramattack | I've get out from here |
| 08:13.49 | jelly-home | !paster |
| 08:13.50 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 08:14.19 | Ramattack | one moment there |
| 08:14.45 | Supaplex | take your time. we don't bill by the hour. |
| 08:15.05 | Ramattack | lol |
| 08:15.06 | Ramattack | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5360 |
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| 08:15.17 | Ramattack | this is my output of free -m command |
| 08:15.36 | Ramattack | jelly-home could you set me again please that reference of free memory? |
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| 08:16.49 | jelly-home | Ramattack: this? free on the second line = free + cached + buffers from the first line |
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| 08:17.07 | Ramattack | yep |
| 08:17.15 | HyperDevil | package php4-jpgraph on Sarge is outdated, can i just overwite the files in /usr/share/jpgraph with the new one from the website? |
| 08:17.23 | Guerin | HyperDevil: no. |
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| 08:17.35 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 08:17.36 | Guerin | HyperDevil: if you want new stuff, you need to not be using sarge. |
| 08:17.49 | jelly-home | Ramattack: it's just an explanation of the output |
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| 08:17.53 | black_13 | i have a very basic system with xorg only |
| 08:18.03 | Ramattack | yep I see now jelly-home |
| 08:18.08 | HyperDevil | Guerin: im not going to use Etch, thats not even remotely usable yet... |
| 08:18.19 | Ramattack | so we could say total free memory in my case is 381 then? |
| 08:18.19 | jelly-home | Guerin: what's wrong with using stable + selected few upgrades? |
| 08:18.44 | Ramattack | jelly-home so I have 381 mb for running apps + kernel use |
| 08:18.46 | Ramattack | isn't it? |
| 08:18.53 | black_13 | and when i start i get xterm (no window manager) what config file is starting xterm |
| 08:18.58 | jelly-home | Ramattack: seems so |
| 08:19.14 | HyperDevil | Ramattack: use, free -k |
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| 08:19.41 | Ramattack | HyperDevil whats the difference with free -m? |
| 08:19.43 | Guerin | jelly-home: stable doesn't upgrade well, mostly due to things like libc |
| 08:20.00 | Guerin | HyperDevil: etch is plenty usable, just not for server-level reliability |
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| 08:20.05 | HyperDevil | Ramattack: free --help would tell you |
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| 08:20.08 | jelly-home | Guerin: well, he doesn't want to upgrade libc |
| 08:20.18 | Ramattack | ok thereHyperDevil |
| 08:20.22 | Guerin | jelly-home: right. So he doesn't want to upgrade *anything* |
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| 08:20.43 | Guerin | HyperDevil: see if there's a backport; else make one yourself. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 08:21.47 | HyperDevil | is sid testing? |
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| 08:22.04 | peterS | no |
| 08:22.17 | HyperDevil | unstable then.... ? |
| 08:22.21 | Tallu | yes |
| 08:22.24 | HyperDevil | ok |
| 08:22.31 | hark | HyperDevil: /msg dpkg releases |
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| 08:23.23 | Ramattack | thanks a lot jelly-home, dirmir... |
| 08:23.26 | Ramattack | have nice day! |
| 08:23.30 | Ramattack | bye! |
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| 08:24.13 | Ramattack | bye and thanks too hyperdevil |
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| 08:29.20 | Guerin | simonrvn: ping |
| 08:29.59 | jZed | I'm trying to install ndiswrapper on etch, but I need the kernel-headers-2.6.8.1-386 and can't seem to get them ... suggestions? |
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| 08:32.50 | DavidW2 | Is anyone using mono on debian? I would like to get asp.net2 examples to work, and be able to run from public_html |
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| 08:34.04 | hark | DavidW2: what error are you getting. Check the error.log |
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| 08:35.31 | DavidW2 | hark: It gives me an error on the page |
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| 08:36.00 | hark | DavidW2: that is not helpful.. |
| 08:36.28 | DavidW2 | hark: well i can pastebin the error, if you want to look |
| 08:36.39 | hark | yes |
| 08:36.41 | acesmythe | hey, if I compiled and installed older versions of, say, the alsa drivers/modules, how do i upgrade them? do I uninstall the old ones, and if so, how? |
| 08:37.36 | DavidW2 | hark: I did a clean install on 2 differnet systems and I got the same error |
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| 08:41.55 | hark | DavidW2: try #debian-mono on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:43.24 | vlt | Hello. What is the easiest way to add a corporate footer/sig to every email that is sent through postfix? |
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| 08:44.43 | DavidW2 | hark: sorry pastebin.com seems broken |
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| 08:47.33 | hark | DavidW2: try the bts and also #debian-mono on irc.oftc.net |
| 08:48.24 | Guerin | dr-online: there are no othe rpastebins on the interwebs |
| 08:48.27 | Guerin | anywhere |
| 08:48.33 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 08:48.40 | hark | heh |
| 08:48.40 | Guerin | DavidW2: there are no othe rpastebins on the interwebs |
| 08:49.04 | DavidW2 | Guerin: how do I know? do I keep a list? |
| 08:49.11 | DavidW2 | Guerin: I don't see you offering one |
| 08:49.17 | Guerin | !fgi DavidW2 pastebin |
| 08:49.17 | dpkg | DavidW2: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=pastebin |
| 08:49.22 | Guerin | honestly |
| 08:49.35 | hark | DavidW2: anyway #debian-mono is a better place :) |
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| 08:50.04 | DavidW2 | honestly, this elitism astounds me |
| 08:50.17 | DavidW2 | hark: I am there, thanks |
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| 08:51.54 | mariusz_k | hi |
| 08:52.22 | Guerin | elitism? |
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| 08:52.36 | Guerin | since when did expecting people to think for themselves become elitism? |
| 08:52.54 | Guerin | or even reading the fucking topic |
| 08:53.02 | DavidW2 | Inf act, *I* offered to pastebin it, pastebin.com was the one I knew about so I went there |
| 08:53.11 | Guerin | bravo |
| 08:53.15 | DavidW2 | As it turns out, hark didn't need the indo by the time I realized it was timing out |
| 08:53.17 | mariusz_k | i got a question how can I install nvidia drivers on debian ? |
| 08:53.18 | vlt | Does anyone know if there's a hook for running mail through an external filter before it is delivered in postfix? I don't need outgoing mail to be scanned by SA but i think that would be the right point id there's no built-in function to add a signature with postfix itself. |
| 08:53.28 | DavidW2 | So then you jump into the conversation and add absolutely nothing to it |
| 08:53.30 | DavidW2 | thanks for that |
| 08:53.48 | acesmythe | so er... sound card drivers? :p |
| 08:53.53 | vlt | s/point id/point if/ |
| 08:53.58 | Guerin | !aolify DavidW2 |
| 08:54.32 | Guerin | vlt: incoming mail is easy. outgoing I'm not so sure about. |
| 08:54.49 | DavidW2 | ok, nevermind |
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| 08:55.24 | Guerin | acesmythe: be less vague |
| 08:55.27 | vlt | Guerin: What's the difference for incoming? procmail? |
| 08:55.44 | acesmythe | mariusz_k, do you have the latest nvidia drivers from the nvidia site? |
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| 08:55.53 | ribasushi | hi |
| 08:56.04 | Guerin | vlt: for incoming mail, you can have postfix scan it before delivery, or you can have procmail scan it after delivery. Or you can do both, or you can invoke procmail in postfix. Your call. |
| 08:56.09 | acesmythe | from the dir it's in, type "sudo sh <driverfilename>" |
| 08:56.27 | ribasushi | are runlevels 3 - 5 available for custom use on debian or there are some reserved ones? |
| 08:56.29 | Guerin | mariusz_k: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
| 08:56.42 | ribasushi | I want to make a different maintenance runlevel other than 1 |
| 08:56.45 | acesmythe | i downloaded, compiled, and installed alsa drivers 1.0.9, and wanted to upgrade to 1.0.11 or 12 (the newest) |
| 08:56.46 | Guerin | mariusz_k: don't use the nvidia site's drivers, they'll break your toilet and eat your cat |
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| 08:56.54 | Guerin | acesmythe: why? |
| 08:57.01 | Guerin | ribasushi: why? |
| 08:57.03 | acesmythe | do i just compile and install asif I never installed the first? |
| 08:57.06 | acesmythe | keep current? |
| 08:57.20 | acesmythe | i'm also hoping it will have better support for my sound hardware |
| 08:57.26 | Guerin | acesmythe: if you have to ask this question, you're not in a position to be doing this sort of shit. |
| 08:57.33 | ribasushi | Guerin: need ssh and possibly nfs, and looking for a shortcut to type 20 /etc/init.d/xxx stop |
| 08:57.35 | Guerin | acesmythe: don't hope, read documentation. |
| 08:57.43 | acesmythe | ... |
| 08:57.47 | ribasushi | Guerin: during a maintenance session that is |
| 08:57.53 | acesmythe | you know what, that was a useless fucking answer |
| 08:57.57 | acesmythe | thanks for nothing you ass |
| 08:58.08 | Guerin | ribasushi: oh. dedicate one of runlevels 3-5 to it |
| 08:58.23 | xixor | so, I just did an apt-get upgrade on my system, had 412 packages to upgrade.. must have been a while since I did it last |
| 08:58.25 | Guerin | ribasushi: add the services you need and only those; /msg dpkg services |
| 08:58.30 | Guerin | !customer |
| 08:58.30 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 08:58.38 | ribasushi | Guerin: well thus my original question - are 3-5 at my disposal, or there is a reserved one other than 0,1,2,6 ? |
| 08:58.49 | Guerin | so, sanity check - i'm not being any more of an arsehole tonight than usual, are people just stupider? |
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| 08:59.09 | Guerin | ribasushi: in debain they are; the only ones dedicated are 0,1,2,6 |
| 08:59.21 | Guerin | ribasushi: in other distros they have different rules |
| 08:59.33 | Guerin | like 2=text, 3=x |
| 08:59.34 | ribasushi | Guerin: this is what threw me off, thanks for the info |
| 08:59.47 | hark | !runlevel |
| 08:59.48 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 08:59.59 | ribasushi | Guerin: it is not listed in the debian policy or at least I couldn't find it |
| 09:00.07 | Guerin | hm, i dunno |
| 09:00.32 | Guerin | istr it being a convention adopted by other distros after debian, and debian just didn't change |
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| 09:00.48 | ribasushi | what is istr? |
| 09:00.55 | Guerin | !istr |
| 09:00.55 | dpkg | from memory, istr is I seem to recall/remember |
| 09:01.02 | booya | what is the name of the app that watches make and creates a package out of the compile? |
| 09:01.08 | ribasushi | :)) |
| 09:01.09 | booya | makepkg or something? |
| 09:01.28 | hark | checkinstall |
| 09:01.31 | Guerin | booya: no idea. ask dpkg about nm guide or mg |
| 09:01.34 | booya | oh thanks! |
| 09:01.40 | booya | danke |
| 09:01.42 | Guerin | checkinstall will build and configure the thing for you |
| 09:02.19 | booya | coolio, lets give it a go |
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| 09:02.37 | stew | ribasushi: policy 9.3.3.1 |
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| 09:02.54 | Guerin | !win stew |
| 09:02.55 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:03.38 | h3xis | how do i tell a command to run when debian boots up? |
| 09:03.47 | Guerin | h3xis: /msg dpkg services |
| 09:03.52 | h3xis | thanks |
| 09:04.09 | ribasushi | stew: I am looking in http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-opersys.html#s9.3.3 and I still don't see it :) |
| 09:04.51 | stew | ribasushi: the third paragraph of 9.3.3.1 |
| 09:05.30 | ribasushi | It just tells me 2,3,4 and 5 are multi-user runlevels, without telling me which one I can muck with (or that I can do so with any of them) |
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| 09:05.46 | stew | it says you can much with any of them |
| 09:05.50 | stew | muck |
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| 09:08.10 | RickyRay | can anyone help me figure out my timezone to use for debian? |
| 09:08.12 | ribasushi | stew: I get it, level 2 has no special status in debian |
| 09:08.52 | stew | ribasushi: only that it is the default runlevel in /etc/inittab as shipped |
| 09:08.53 | Guerin | ribasushi: it's just the first available non-reserved runlevel |
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| 09:09.11 | Guerin | RickyRay: run tzconfig |
| 09:09.17 | ribasushi | stew: then if I customize a runlevel, can update-rc.d be taught not to update a certain RL when new packages are installed (e.g. to alter the default target) |
| 09:10.07 | stew | ribasushi: not afaik |
| 09:10.31 | Guerin | hm, will network and ssh not run in init 1? |
| 09:10.45 | Guerin | i thought they would |
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| 09:11.35 | ribasushi | Guerin: init1 is by definition console login only |
| 09:11.47 | Guerin | mm, i thought you could make it run a sshd |
| 09:12.06 | ribasushi | even if ssh is not killed - I can't get in afaik (don't have the ability to try right now :) |
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| 09:27.04 | k1ckn1ck | hi, i am currently running a debian server, as both a web and email server, i am currently looking for a web based shared calendar that can be installed onto debian as a web interface |
| 09:27.11 | E-bola | How can i purge a package via apt-get? |
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| 09:27.54 | L|NUX | what is the package for dig command in debian ? |
| 09:28.05 | L|NUX | as well as for tcpdump ? |
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| 09:28.39 | cydork | L|NUX: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:29.07 | L|NUX | not working |
| 09:29.09 | cydork | E-bola: apt-get --purge remove package name. |
| 09:29.13 | hark | E-bola: man apt-get |
| 09:29.31 | streuner | !nickometer L|NUX |
| 09:29.33 | dpkg | 'L|NUX' is 79.000% lame, streuner |
| 09:29.39 | L|NUX | :'( |
| 09:29.40 | hark | L|NUX: what is not working? |
| 09:29.55 | L|NUX | well i did /msg dpkg search dig |
| 09:29.56 | streuner | L|NUX: dig is in dnsutils (/msg dpkg search) |
| 09:29.58 | L|NUX | its not giving any thing |
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| 09:30.22 | cydork | L|NUX: it should be in dnsutils. you can use apt-file to search |
| 09:30.23 | hark | !tell L|NUX -about search |
| 09:30.23 | L|NUX | tcpdump ? |
| 09:30.23 | E-bola | thanks |
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| 09:30.34 | hark | !info tcpdump |
| 09:30.37 | streuner | L|NUX: /msg dpkg find <foo>, but don't use it - it gives too many results... |
| 09:30.45 | L|NUX | ok |
| 09:30.46 | dpkg | tcpdump: (A powerful tool for network monitoring and data acquisition), section net, is optional. Version: 3.9.5-1 (sid), Packaged size: 295 kB, Installed size: 608 kB |
| 09:30.59 | L|NUX | the problem is its not giving any thing to me :D |
| 09:31.17 | streuner | because you used 'search' and not 'find' |
| 09:31.48 | L|NUX | now i did find |
| 09:31.48 | streuner | the bot don't know 'search' as command |
| 09:32.56 | L|NUX | ok |
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| 09:33.21 | Zaggynl | How do I stop the beeping when tabcompleting in a console, it's driving me nuts D: |
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| 09:35.16 | Mamatroni | Hi, i am trying to install Debian, from Netdist |
| 09:35.24 | Mamatroni | Do i run it from my windows |
| 09:35.33 | Mamatroni | or before windows start? |
| 09:35.36 | Zaggynl | burn the iso |
| 09:35.40 | Zaggynl | boot from the cd |
| 09:36.11 | Mamatroni | The iso like it is, or should i open it by deamon tools first? |
| 09:36.36 | Zaggynl | Are you familiar with the option 'Burn Image'? |
| 09:36.48 | hark | Mamatroni: 'before windows start' |
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| 09:37.05 | Mamatroni | ok |
| 09:37.17 | Mamatroni | zag****, i did it before |
| 09:37.17 | Zaggynl | If you have Nero Burning Rom, use 'Burn Image', and burn the iso |
| 09:37.22 | Zaggynl | okay, good |
| 09:37.30 | Zaggynl | zag****? :o |
| 09:38.08 | Mamatroni | but then i couldn't install because its says ssomething about "the media was not partitionable " |
| 09:38.22 | Mamatroni | zag**** = zaggynl |
| 09:38.23 | Mamatroni | :) |
| 09:38.25 | Zaggynl | ^^ |
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| 09:42.25 | hark | Mamatroni: installing sarge or etch? |
| 09:43.07 | Mamatroni | i have just downloaded this: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 09:43.53 | hark | ok, does it detect your hard drive? |
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| 09:44.13 | Mamatroni | i dont know yet, i am buring a iso file now |
| 09:44.13 | mhiku | how do i extract iso without mounting it? |
| 09:44.34 | Mamatroni | I try to install |
| 09:44.47 | Mamatroni | Hopefully next time i am here is with a debian:D |
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| 09:54.08 | ice63 | hark: is gnomebaker is good as k2b ? |
| 09:54.28 | ice63 | k3b |
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| 09:56.39 | hark | ice63: k3b is 'better' i guess, but it really depends on your needs. |
| 09:58.31 | ice63 | ok |
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| 09:59.16 | hark | hmm, what is better? vi or emacs? |
| 09:59.30 | Zaggynl | How do I get subversion in Debian Etch? |
| 09:59.32 | ice63 | nano |
| 10:00.16 | hark | Zaggynl: by installing it |
| 10:00.25 | Zaggynl | hark, It's not in the etch repo's |
| 10:00.35 | hark | !Info subversion etch |
| 10:00.36 | jelly-home | !info subversion etch |
| 10:00.39 | Zaggynl | :o |
| 10:00.41 | jelly-home | heh |
| 10:00.56 | dpkg | subversion: (Advanced version control system), section devel, is optional. Version: 1.4.2dfsg1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 1002 kB, Installed size: 3300 kB |
| 10:01.01 | dpkg | subversion: has nothing about Info |
| 10:01.09 | Zaggynl | :/ |
| 10:01.14 | Zaggynl | ima go recheck my sources.list |
| 10:01.35 | hark | damn you 'I' ;) |
| 10:01.50 | Zaggynl | heheh |
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| 10:12.44 | cilkay | Hello. I just my hard drive with Etch on it from one computer to another. I really don't need to run X on the old computer. How can I boot with no X? I found plenty of resources for how to start with X but not without. |
| 10:12.55 | cilkay | Also, what is the chkconfig equivalent in Debian? |
| 10:13.04 | Guerin | !red hat tools |
| 10:13.04 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
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| 10:13.21 | cilkay | thanks guerin |
| 10:13.30 | Guerin | velkom |
| 10:13.39 | Guerin | and now, i must to bed |
| 10:13.44 | cilkay | That message is a bit rude. |
| 10:14.47 | ice63 | then jest install the base :) |
| 10:14.48 | cilkay | huh? |
| 10:14.48 | cilkay | It's already installed. |
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| 10:14.48 | cilkay | It has been for months. |
| 10:14.49 | ice63 | k |
| 10:14.56 | asg | cilkay: /msg dpkg remove x | /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:15.21 | cilkay | I don't want to remove X. I just don't want it coming up automatically. |
| 10:15.37 | asg | cilkay: /msg dpkg nodm |
| 10:16.08 | ice63 | apt-get remove gdm at root |
| 10:16.18 | GutterPunk | just disable gdm |
| 10:16.29 | cilkay | Why would I want to do that if I want to run X in the future? |
| 10:16.29 | ice63 | k |
| 10:16.42 | comsa | u dont have to remove it just stop it loading |
| 10:17.05 | GutterPunk | chmod -x /etc/init.d/gdm or something should do it |
| 10:17.13 | cilkay | That's what I said. Others have been suggesting I remove it. |
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| 10:17.25 | cilkay | update-rc.d should do it |
| 10:17.26 | GutterPunk | No, if you remove gdm, you remove gnome |
| 10:17.35 | asg | cilkay: don't believe everything you hear in here |
| 10:17.45 | cilkay | I don't :) |
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| 10:18.33 | comsa | u have to stop gdm gutterpunk is on track |
| 10:19.25 | cilkay | Doesn't Debian use runlevels? |
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| 10:20.20 | hark | !runlevel |
| 10:20.20 | dpkg | 0 is halt, 1 is single user, 2, 3, 4, 5 are multiuser, 6 is reboot. By default 2, 3, 4 and 5 are identical (no graphic/non-graphic runlevels), but you can configure this if you wish. Read /usr/share/doc/sysvinit/*; read /etc/init.d/README; man update-rc.d; if that doesn't make sense, consider installing rcconf or file-rc instead. |
| 10:20.22 | GutterPunk | cilkay, that's another option of course. Edit /etc/inittab |
| 10:20.29 | GutterPunk | and change 2 into 3 |
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| 10:20.44 | GutterPunk | actually, that's probably the best solution after all :D |
| 10:20.52 | cilkay | Weird runlevels. |
| 10:21.04 | GutterPunk | woops. I thought 3 was console-only... |
| 10:21.09 | cilkay | 5 is GUI in other distros |
| 10:21.23 | cilkay | and 3 is console |
| 10:21.37 | cilkay | here, I have 2 as the default and it starts the gui. |
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| 10:21.46 | nescius | hi |
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| 10:25.25 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to install Xnview (closed-source) on Sarge from an RPM. It won't install, as there is a conflict with nview, a varient of vi. I managed to fiddle with the file, and it installed, but it still doesn't work. |
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| 10:34.24 | comsa | cilkay mv /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm /etc/rc2.d/_S99xdm replace xdm with gdm |
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| 10:35.31 | cilkay | man update-rc.d tells me that's the wrong approach. The next time I update, the symlinks will be restored. |
| 10:35.44 | mots | is there any way to get mencoder without having to install X11? |
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| 10:36.32 | comsa | thats from debian sarge install guide |
| 10:36.45 | Zaggynl | Anyone knows howto get the gnome-power-manager in the slit of fluxbox? |
| 10:38.18 | comsa | cilkay http://www.aboutdebian.com/install31.htm |
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| 10:42.25 | mcnaft | Hi, I'm trying to switch from devfs to udev, in this tutorial ( http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=259 ) it says to install: # apt-get install sysfsutils libsysfsl hotplug, but "libsysfsl" doesn't seem to exist? |
| 10:42.57 | concept10 | maybe your already using udev |
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| 10:51.02 | scx | anyone can tell me what the heck this means: http://rafb.net/p/AuIHSM17.html |
| 10:51.15 | scx | after making: mknod /dev/fd0 b 2 0 |
| 10:51.49 | scx | it worked before... |
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| 10:53.39 | jelly-home | scx: doesn't look related, is hdc your cd/dvd device? |
| 10:53.58 | scx | mmm.. wtf... |
| 10:54.17 | scx | wrong paste??? |
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| 10:57.54 | jelly-home | scx: I'm away, paste the right one and someone'll help |
| 10:58.00 | jelly-home | hopefully |
| 10:58.04 | scx | yes, sorry |
| 10:58.19 | scx | I'm tring again 'cause I don't see any dmesg |
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| 10:59.12 | utrrrongeeb | I'm trying to install Xnview (closed-source) on Sarge from an RPM. It won't install, as there is a conflict with nview, a varient of vi. I managed to fiddle with the file, and it installed, but it still doesn't work. |
| 10:59.45 | Gnea | utrrrongeeb: just use alien |
| 10:59.52 | Gnea | !alien |
| 10:59.53 | dpkg | well, alien is a program which allows one to convert from one package format to another: slackware to redhat, redhat to debian, debian to slackware, redhat to slackware, etc... it can handle stampede .slp packages as well, or some slimy, green, bug-like, creepy creature from outerspace that came to Earth to have sex with agent Scully, or at http://kitenet.net/programs/alien/ |
| 11:00.41 | Supaplex | I just love the nonsense that's in most of our factiods. |
| 11:01.07 | utrrrongeeb | Someone clean up that bot! Gnea: I did. It didn't work, because of the conflict with nview. When I tweaked that, it failed on an error. |
| 11:01.10 | buscon | Hi, any good howto for user mode linux with debian? |
| 11:01.20 | Supaplex | !uml |
| 11:01.20 | dpkg | it has been said that uml is User Mode Linux, which allows you to boot a kernel in user space. http://user-mode-linux.sourceforge.net/. Unified Modelling Language, or at http://people.debian.org/~wli/uml_0.37-1_i386.deb, or has been integrated in ac patches, and has a woody->sarge converter at http://gnea.net/uml_howto.txt |
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| 11:02.23 | cafuego_ | soviet romania my ass |
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| 11:03.02 | buscon | Supaplex: the uml_howto.txt does not exist... |
| 11:03.06 | Supaplex | cafuego_: you sat on them?! that explains some more ... |
| 11:03.25 | scx | cafuego_: what a big ass! |
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| 11:04.17 | utrrrongeeb | I take it by the silence that no-one knows anything about how to fix this... |
| 11:04.25 | Supaplex | buscon: aptitude search uml has a few things. |
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| 11:04.37 | elementz | hi everybody |
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| 11:05.03 | buscon | Supaplex: I've already installed uml - now I need to make it work :) |
| 11:05.05 | Supaplex | utrrrongeeb: mmm it's a long shot, but chroot install what ever the native distro that rpm uses. (if everything else we've suggested is fruitless) |
| 11:05.58 | elementz | can somebody tell me what is wrong with this line?: 'find wget -name '*.jpg' -exec mv {} /home/wget/000/{} \;' |
| 11:06.47 | elementz | i am trying to move all jpg files from a dir and its subdirs to a newdir - can somebody help with that? |
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| 11:09.01 | Supaplex | elementz: try omitting the second {}, if it has a path, it might try moving foo/bar/baz.jpg to /home/wget/000/foo/bar/baz.jpg |
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| 11:09.27 | elementz | Supaplex, thx |
| 11:09.36 | Supaplex | elementz: -exec echo can help to :) |
| 11:09.47 | aidehua | How do I see how much memory is used by programs and cached files etc? |
| 11:10.26 | Supaplex | aidehua: aggragate, or individualy? free vs ps/top |
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| 11:11.07 | CAiRO | argh, when did the damn gtk change the copy & paste behaviour? i can't paste text with my middle mouse button anymore when the text is already unselected |
| 11:11.22 | CAiRO | i'm used to be able to paste the text that was last selected |
| 11:11.39 | xand | that's an X thing not gtk, isn't it |
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| 11:11.45 | xand | gtk supports ctrl-c/v |
| 11:11.55 | CAiRO | xand: its a gtk thinkg |
| 11:12.02 | CAiRO | it only doesn't work in gtk apps |
| 11:12.06 | xand | I see |
| 11:12.07 | CAiRO | my aterm works as i'm used to |
| 11:12.24 | CAiRO | probably it also works in kde apps which i don't use |
| 11:12.34 | aidehua | Supaplex: I'd just like an easy way to know how my memory is being used, and individually per app would be nice. Is there a recommended ps(1) incantation? |
| 11:12.39 | CAiRO | and i'm sure it did work correctly with gtk in the past |
| 11:12.47 | CAiRO | i just don't know when they changed it |
| 11:12.59 | Supaplex | aidehua: ps auxww is pretty common. |
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| 11:14.21 | aidehua | I think "ps -A -o 'rsz comm'" should do. |
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| 11:15.14 | zhr | what does "debian" mean? |
| 11:15.15 | Supaplex | aidehua: ps's biggest downfall is the untold number of possible invocations. have fun exploring them :) |
| 11:15.40 | Supaplex | zhr: it means great distro. :) |
| 11:15.41 | aidehua | Resident set size? Hmmm. I don't think that accounts for the fact that 8 invocations of Apache aren't using 8 x 3MB of memory. |
| 11:15.42 | Supaplex | !debian |
| 11:15.43 | dpkg | well, debian is http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
| 11:16.11 | zhr | thanx :) |
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| 11:16.39 | aidehua | What are "buffers" and "cached" in free(1)? |
| 11:17.16 | scv | an old faq? |
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| 11:36.25 | broadcaster | I get an Input-/Output-Error when I try to run "su". I copied the binary from another PC, but it didn't help. first line of strace is: "execve("/bin/su", ["su"], [/* 20 vars */]) = -1 EIO (Input/output error)"... what can i do? |
| 11:36.59 | drako | change ur harddisk |
| 11:37.04 | broadcaster | funny |
| 11:37.15 | petemc | does anything else work? |
| 11:37.21 | petemc | or is the fs read only? |
| 11:37.21 | xand | what drako said |
| 11:37.23 | broadcaster | yes |
| 11:37.31 | petemc | yes what? |
| 11:37.39 | broadcaster | everything works. but i cannot start a root-console from kde... |
| 11:37.54 | xand | does dmesg give errors? |
| 11:37.55 | broadcaster | the system works fine, i can also log in remotely as root |
| 11:38.12 | broadcaster | ERRRM! yes, there are errors, waitaminute |
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| 11:38.29 | petemc | dont paste here... |
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| 11:38.46 | Gnea | heh, logging in as root remotely.. funny |
| 11:39.00 | xand | haha |
| 11:39.22 | broadcaster | i get buffer I/O error in my md3 (which is my / ) - attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 11:39.35 | broadcaster | damn |
| 11:39.38 | xand | i dont think your problem is su related |
| 11:39.40 | Gnea | broadcaster: do you usually login as root remotely? |
| 11:39.48 | xand | also, you shouldn't login as root remotely (should be disabled) |
| 11:40.08 | drako | true dat. |
| 11:40.30 | broadcaster | Gnea: if i have to work on the settings as root or kill a process... yes. |
| 11:40.45 | broadcaster | xand: it's rsa-authentication... i'm fine with that. |
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| 11:40.47 | xand | why do you think they invented su? |
| 11:40.59 | Gnea | broadcaster: are you familiar with sudo? |
| 11:41.04 | broadcaster | xand: so you have to type in endless passphrases. |
| 11:41.06 | broadcaster | Gnea: no. |
| 11:41.18 | Gnea | broadcaster: perhaps you should be, rsa or not |
| 11:41.32 | broadcaster | What's so dangerous about root logins? |
| 11:41.42 | Gnea | heh.... |
| 11:41.48 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:41.50 | stoned | how long was I out? |
| 11:41.51 | shining | what if sudo is passwordless |
| 11:41.54 | broadcaster | I have servers running, should i log on to them as a user and then type su? why? |
| 11:42.03 | stoned | Gnea: when was I last here? |
| 11:42.13 | Gnea | stoned: hours |
| 11:42.16 | stoned | almost 6am.. man I had an awesome sleep |
| 11:42.22 | stoned | I feel happy |
| 11:42.29 | broadcaster | I don't see any security win. But anyway, I have to check my harddrive. :-( |
| 11:42.57 | broadcaster | And, BTW: If I had disabled root-logins in ssh, my system would be f***ed up now. |
| 11:43.25 | nescius | excuse my stupidity but does debian stable use 2.6 series? i have one itch called SAS with proprietal drivers for 2.6 kernel, if it does how should i install that drivers? is it possible to install it from network as rhel does thru anacond? |
| 11:43.52 | petemc | nescius: megaraid sas ? |
| 11:43.54 | stoned | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 11:43.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm ... |
| 11:44.00 | Gnea | broadcaster: btw, your system is fucked up right now. you should check the md5sum and compare it against a vanilla |
| 11:44.11 | Gnea | broadcaster: maybe install a rootkit hunter |
| 11:44.23 | stoned | Gnea: sounds nasty |
| 11:44.42 | broadcaster | chkrootkit running... |
| 11:45.06 | broadcaster | no results |
| 11:45.10 | petemc | it sounds to me like a hardware problem |
| 11:45.16 | broadcaster | yes |
| 11:45.27 | Gnea | of course there's no results |
| 11:46.19 | broadcaster | Gnea: Well, I always wondered, what chkrootkit is good for. ;) |
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| 11:46.48 | stoned | if people know how chkrootkit works, can't they make rootkits that avoid detection? |
| 11:46.59 | Gnea | broadcaster: it kind of helps to actually read about shit before actually setting it up :) |
| 11:47.09 | broadcaster | hmm, I see, I have problems with cpufreqd. it sometimes messes up the kernel... (don't ask!) |
| 11:49.12 | nescius | petemc, yes, megaraid_sas |
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| 11:50.26 | broadcaster | damn, attempt to access beyond end of device |
| 11:50.29 | broadcaster | still... |
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| 11:52.00 | rpc | doesn't sshd in Etch log attempts by default? |
| 11:52.07 | rpc | i can't seem to find a secure log anywhere |
| 11:52.50 | cafuego_ | rpc: auth.log |
| 11:52.51 | cydork | rpc: you mean /var/log/auth.log |
| 11:52.56 | rpc | err hmm |
| 11:53.48 | rpc | thanks very much folks :) |
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| 11:54.16 | petemc | nescius: ive got some dell poweredges using that, used etch installer, and had to jump through a few hoops |
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| 11:54.47 | nescius | petemc, so what are the hoops? |
| 11:54.56 | petemc | nescius: google will tell you that |
| 11:55.08 | petemc | i had to use yaird to create the initrd, was one.. |
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| 11:55.19 | broadcaster | ok, i got it, it was a filesystem error, fixed it with --rebuild-tree. hell knows why. |
| 11:55.48 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i got some real weird problem, it looks like my xfs filesystem is crashing, and it locks whole pc |
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| 11:57.24 | broadcaster | now, can anybody explain what the gain in security is if i disable remote logins for root and then su or sudo? all i see is another passphrase... - or are you thinking about bugs in sshd? |
| 11:58.26 | |DuReX| | http://users.telenet.be/dupondje/error.txt <- this is the error i get in syslog :s |
| 11:58.36 | smiler | |DuReX| :) |
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| 11:59.16 | smiler | |DuReX|: kernel version? |
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| 11:59.38 | |DuReX| | 2.6.19.2 |
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| 11:59.53 | smiler | |DuReX|: what properitary modules? |
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| 12:00.10 | |DuReX| | highpoint drivers |
| 12:00.12 | |DuReX| | for sata controller |
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| 12:00.47 | smiler | |DuReX|: upgrade to 2.6.20, if that doesnt help, bug highpoint because their drivers are fscking the kernel up |
| 12:01.08 | |DuReX| | i bugged them 10 times yet |
| 12:01.08 | |DuReX| | :P |
| 12:01.43 | smiler | |DuReX|: not much to debug without sources for that module |
| 12:02.16 | smiler | might be that driver vs xfs, or just that driver vs the vfs layer |
| 12:02.43 | smiler | but try 2.6.20 |
| 12:02.58 | nescius | petemc, ow, i see, thank you anyway |
| 12:03.59 | smiler | |DuReX|: you *can* try the linux kernel mailinglist or the xfs-mailing list, but they will probably just tell you to bug off because its impossible to really debug a kernel with properitary drivers linked in |
| 12:04.51 | |DuReX| | i'll mail highpoint :p |
| 12:05.19 | smiler | :) |
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| 12:05.34 | smiler | or get a promise tx4-controller, atleast they have better drivers ^^ |
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| 12:10.37 | iturk | hi there guys i am trying to connect to a router modem wireless! my windows computer its already connected but my debian nothing. How can i see which wireless access point did i can connect ? |
| 12:11.12 | mortal_ | doesn't parse |
| 12:11.18 | mortal_ | did i can |
| 12:11.19 | mortal_ | hm |
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| 12:13.35 | manson | how to mod xorg.conf to run without keyboard or mouse? if i just take out their sections, system won't start because there would be no core pointer. |
| 12:13.53 | iturk | did someone here has already connect to a wireless access point ???? |
| 12:14.17 | manson | i want to run the system as a server. |
| 12:14.19 | xand | iturk: no, no-one ever |
| 12:14.34 | xand | manson: why do you need X running then? |
| 12:15.03 | scx | what are those two numbers at the end of the fstab? |
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| 12:15.08 | manson | xand, i still have to use it to set up the server. |
| 12:15.21 | xand | manson: X? why? |
| 12:15.26 | xand | scx: man fstab |
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| 12:15.34 | iturk | xand: did you know how to see each access point i am able to connect ? |
| 12:16.49 | xand | iturk: no |
| 12:16.49 | manson | xand, its friendlier, of course i can do with command-line. |
| 12:16.49 | iturk | and did somebody else knows that ???? |
| 12:16.50 | xand | !wifi |
| 12:16.50 | dpkg | methinks wifi is a silly name for 802.11b wireless networking. |
| 12:16.50 | xand | !wireless |
| 12:16.50 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
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| 12:16.50 | iturk | xand: ok i will check it now |
| 12:17.05 | scx | well, don't see that infop in the man or in info... |
| 12:17.17 | xand | scx: look again |
| 12:17.37 | xand | it describes each field in turn |
| 12:17.45 | xand | "The fifth field", "The sixth field" |
| 12:17.50 | manson | xand, any where to read up on how to config apache2 for a server? |
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| 12:19.48 | scx | xand: the source of all wisdom told me |
| 12:19.56 | scx | wikipwdia |
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| 12:20.02 | scx | err: Wikipedia |
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| 12:31.40 | stoned | htop shows different information about memory use than free |
| 12:31.43 | stoned | why is this? |
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| 12:42.36 | stoned | !ping |
| 12:42.36 | dpkg | pong |
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| 12:45.54 | cydork | stoned: compare free -m|grep Mem|awk '{print $3-$6-$7}' with htop ;) |
| 12:46.11 | chops | Does anyone happen to know the command to dump a .pem file in a human-readable format? |
| 12:46.27 | petemc | chops: cat |
| 12:46.51 | stoned | cydork: what? |
| 12:46.53 | scx | less |
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| 12:47.15 | chops | petemc: I don't consider "MIIC5jCCAk+gAwIBAgIBADANBgkqhkiG9w0" etc. to be human-readable; I was looking more for the fields that are encoded into it. |
| 12:47.20 | stoned | cat dog python anaconda |
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| 12:47.31 | stoned | cydork: it does not match |
| 12:47.41 | petemc | chops: oh, the openssl binary may be able to do that |
| 12:48.06 | chops | I'm trying to figure out what CN several PEMs are configured for (without doing something silly like putting them on a webserver, going to that site, and looking at the security tab). |
| 12:48.23 | cydork | stoned: huh? which version are you using? |
| 12:48.32 | stoned | of what? |
| 12:48.47 | cydork | stoned: htop |
| 12:48.50 | stoned | sec |
| 12:49.03 | stoned | htop 0.6.3 - (C) 2004-2006 Hisham Muhammad. |
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| 12:49.33 | chops | Ah, here we go |
| 12:49.41 | chops | cat cert.pem | openssl x509 -text |
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| 12:49.44 | stoned | where we go? |
| 12:49.46 | chops | petemc: Thanks |
| 12:49.56 | cydork | stoned: then it should match. well use free -m and subtract buffer and cached from used :P |
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| 12:50.03 | stoned | cydork: I did |
| 12:50.08 | stoned | its off by 24mb |
| 12:50.15 | stoned | every which way |
| 12:51.33 | cydork | hmm that's strange .. it works here. |
| 12:51.50 | stoned | well yeah it works, but it mismatches |
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| 12:51.56 | sleon | hi all |
| 12:52.01 | stoned | hello |
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| 12:52.18 | sleon | anyone have any idea why i do not have any vif's on the unstable debian xen installation ? |
| 12:52.29 | sleon | any quick fix for it ? |
| 12:53.06 | cydork | stoned: what about the second line in free -m ?? |
| 12:53.09 | etchjster | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:54.19 | stoned | well fuck |
| 12:54.21 | stoned | its fine now |
| 12:54.28 | stoned | now free -m shows the same thing |
| 12:54.38 | stoned | shrug |
| 12:55.03 | cydork | stoned: :) |
| 12:55.43 | stoned | thanks |
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| 12:57.04 | rpc | is there anything better than restartd to verify if a give process is running? |
| 12:57.11 | rpc | given* |
| 12:58.00 | sep | rpc, i use nagios |
| 12:58.16 | sep | rpc, but that's only worth it if you have a few servers |
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| 13:01.54 | rpc | sep hmm |
| 13:03.01 | rpc | sep thank you, i will look into it |
| 13:03.33 | sep | rpc, iow nagios does a whole lot more then just check for a process, so it's overkill if that's all you need |
| 13:04.02 | rpc | in fact, all i wanted was a simple and easy to use tool |
| 13:04.14 | rpc | but once i know about nagios - i will happily have a look :) |
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| 13:05.14 | rpc | sep hmm perhaps you would know about one more tool... |
| 13:05.36 | rpc | sep i'm looking for the one that can ping several ISPs 24/7 and make a nice graph for me |
| 13:05.55 | rpc | i saw such graphs somewhere, just can't remember where and what software was that |
| 13:06.04 | sep | rpc smokeping |
| 13:06.08 | rpc | oh |
| 13:06.29 | rpc | you seem to know it all - thanks alot, checking |
| 13:06.41 | sep | shows latency, jitter, packetloss in one graph |
| 13:06.48 | rpc | yesyesyes :) |
| 13:06.52 | sep | well ~jitter |
| 13:07.08 | rpc | and that shall be long-term |
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| 13:07.58 | rpc | damn nice! perl modules in there, lots of those :) |
| 13:08.13 | MatBoy | I have tried to upgrade etch with XFCE to XFCE 4.4 |
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| 13:09.05 | MatBoy | the problem is that gtk2 is not the right one in unstable |
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| 13:09.28 | MatBoy | and as far as I know... this is a problem, updating etch to 4.4 |
| 13:10.20 | pingouin | how can i map all the buttons of my mouse, when the left/right click of the wheel give the same numbers under xev of left click button ? |
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| 13:14.17 | enouf | fwiw http://packetgarden.com/ and http://etherape.sourceforge.net/ maybe useful rpc |
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| 13:17.14 | prock | sooo my laptop smells like it's burning and I want to see if I can finish it off... any recommendations on the best way to max out the load? |
| 13:17.31 | xavior2180 | prock, gentoo |
| 13:18.16 | prock | *BUD-UM-CHING* |
| 13:18.26 | xavior2180 | :P |
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| 13:23.50 | leOn | hello all |
| 13:24.13 | leOn | can anyone tell me why the hell is this happening ... |
| 13:24.16 | leOn | mailstrg:/home/agentes/15093# /usr/bin/find Maildir/.Spam -type f -iregex ".*/new/.*" -o -iregex ".*/cur/.*" |
| 13:24.19 | leOn | Maildir/.Spam/new/1171285190.M852871P14114V000000000000FE01I0614C009.mailstrg,S=3281 |
| 13:24.22 | leOn | mailstrg:/home/agentes/15093# /usr/bin/find Maildir/.Spam -type f -iregex ".*/new/.*" -o -iregex ".*/cur/.*" -exec ls -l {} \; |
| 13:24.25 | leOn | mailstrg:/home/agentes/15093# |
| 13:24.33 | HymnToLife | !paste | leOn |
| 13:24.34 | dpkg | | leOn: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 13:24.51 | leOn | shouldn't the -exec list the file ? |
| 13:24.57 | leOn | sorry HymnToLife |
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| 13:39.44 | darrint | How do I run module-assistant against a kernel I just upgraded to, before booting into it? |
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| 13:46.33 | vlt | Hello. Does anyone know an easy way to add a corporate footer/sig to every email that is sent _out_ through postfix? I could write the script that adds the lines myself but I don't know where to hook into the postfic chain. Any idea? |
| 13:46.51 | vlt | postfix* |
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| 13:48.55 | vlt | I read somewhere that you can scan outgoing mail for spam and viruses, too. How is this done? |
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| 13:49.33 | leOn | vlt: i believe you were better off in #postfix |
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| 13:51.03 | kuhwallskee | I'm trying to instlal gtk pod and I get the error |
| 13:51.04 | kuhwallskee | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:51.26 | vlt | leOn: Maybe I have to put something before and/or after postfix, so I thought if someone knows then it's somebody from #debian ;-) |
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| 13:58.35 | MrKeuner | hi, is there a syntax highlighting scheme in gedit or somewhere else that assigns the same different color for matching opening and closing parantheses? |
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| 14:02.14 | xand | wwallace_lap: thanks for that :P |
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| 14:03.40 | olspookishmagus | Q: after running an aptitude update it gets stuck to the 99% of the testing/updates/contrib repository. Any ideas? |
| 14:03.57 | capiira | hmmmm hi anyone know a source for deb xara lx ? |
| 14:04.12 | wwallace_lap | !tell olspookishmagus about sources |
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| 14:04.29 | capiira | iirc it was in non-free but its not anymore |
| 14:05.14 | olspookishmagus | wwallace_lap: how will this help me know if there's an issue about a repository? |
| 14:05.23 | wwallace_lap | dunno |
| 14:05.27 | wwallace_lap | it was just an idea |
| 14:06.00 | hark | olspookishmagus: try another mirror |
| 14:06.09 | bzed | capiira: xaralx 0.7r1692-2 unstable |
| 14:06.20 | olspookishmagus | hark: that's a better one |
| 14:06.21 | capiira | yeah im on testing |
| 14:06.27 | Warsaw | where do i set IPs for network cards? (console) |
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| 14:06.49 | capiira | maybe its because of the .de. mirror |
| 14:06.53 | bzed | capiira: well... add unstable to your sources and configure apt to stay with testing except you say somethiong else |
| 14:06.53 | cydork | Warsaw: man interfaces |
| 14:07.05 | bzed | capiira: no, it's not in testing (anymore) |
| 14:07.10 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 14:07.12 | broadcaster | does anybody know a dynamic-dns-client which works with the strato (german provider)...? |
| 14:07.23 | wwallace_lap | Warsaw: may be netcardconfig? |
| 14:07.34 | bzed | broadcaster: starto provides dynamic dns services O_o |
| 14:07.40 | broadcaster | bzed: YES. |
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| 14:08.06 | broadcaster | bzed: with the right package you can configure any domain as ddns domain. |
| 14:08.13 | wwallace_lap | hgi abrotman |
| 14:08.25 | Warsaw | any rc.local where i can enter my custom commands to run at boot? |
| 14:08.29 | capiira | bzed: how to configure apt so it does not auto update ? |
| 14:08.43 | abrotman | !rc.local |
| 14:08.43 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 14:08.43 | bzed | broadcaster: oh cool, didn;t know that - although I'm my own provider now... |
| 14:08.43 | hark | !rc.local |
| 14:09.02 | olspookishmagus | wwallace_lap: thanks |
| 14:09.07 | olspookishmagus | hark: thanks |
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| 14:09.10 | wwallace_lap | np |
| 14:09.14 | wwallace_lap | my cent |
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| 14:09.35 | Warsaw | bah i like rc.local :) |
| 14:09.45 | bzed | capiira: add APT::Default-Release "testing"; to a file in /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/01default |
| 14:09.48 | bzed | err |
| 14:09.52 | bzed | /etc/apt/apt.conf.d/ |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | Warsaw: the bootmisc.sh is similar |
| 14:09.59 | bzed | I've called it 01default here |
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| 14:11.02 | capiira | ahh ok can be any name |
| 14:11.13 | hark | !why is xaralx not in testing |
| 14:11.13 | dpkg | xaralx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xaralx |
| 14:11.26 | bzed | capiira: then you can safely add testing/unstable/experimental lines o your sources.list and it'll take stuff from testing by default. apt-get -t unstable install .... eill isntall from unstable then |
| 14:12.22 | capiira | ahh cool thx |
| 14:12.27 | capiira | you too hark |
| 14:12.28 | Warsaw | if i put commands in bootmisc.sh it will load at boot? |
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| 14:15.36 | capiira | or maybe i should try to create my own packages from original tarballs for software that is not really system related |
| 14:16.26 | capiira | things like graphic apps and sound, office etc. |
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| 14:18.24 | abrotman | Warsaw: it should |
| 14:18.44 | capiira | is that difficult to create a deb ? |
| 14:18.47 | ma3x | how do I remove multiple directories with lftp? |
| 14:19.18 | abrotman | capiira: depends on the app |
| 14:20.18 | capiira | so not simple like configure, make, make install |
| 14:20.43 | bzed | i use stow to manage my /usr/local |
| 14:21.41 | bzed | ./configure --prefix=/usr/local; make; make install PREFIX=/usr/local/stow/packagename... and then use stow to maintain the links into /usr/local |
| 14:22.19 | bzed | PREFIX=... depends on the programe, my be you need to use DEST_PREFIX or other things to install it into the stow dire |
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| 14:23.15 | capiira | yeah but how to uninstall |
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| 14:24.00 | capiira | and install dependencies, too. check if they are ok etc. |
| 14:24.57 | bzed | you just use stow -R package and rm -rf /usr/local/stow/packagename |
| 14:25.18 | capiira | let me check that stow |
| 14:25.26 | capiira | never used |
| 14:25.26 | bzed | if you want to have dpeendency tracking across debian packages - you'll ahve to build a apackage by your ownm |
| 14:25.58 | bzed | but if you just don't want to have a mess in /usr/local - stow works well |
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| 14:26.33 | capiira | i just want to check if everything that the app needs is installed => |
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| 14:26.56 | deepz | guys i have etch installed on dell inspiron 700m |
| 14:27.03 | deepz | i tried intalling gdm |
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| 14:27.25 | deepz | it takes my username password in gdm |
| 14:27.46 | Quintin | Anyone here that can recommened a provider for dedicated server or VPS ? |
| 14:27.57 | deepz | however in the splash screen it says window manager |
| 14:27.59 | deepz | and hangs |
| 14:28.08 | deepz | what do id o |
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| 14:29.41 | nachox | i have a server installed with debian that has only one disk, but i'm planning to add another one, is there anyway to convert the setup into a raid1 without having to reinstall? |
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| 14:30.42 | bzed | capiira: well.. you usually can't build an app if you don't have everything it needs installed |
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| 14:31.01 | bzed | capiira: if you want to install it on several computers you'll need to build packages, though |
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| 14:31.51 | capiira | ahh ok |
| 14:32.21 | capiira | then let me find something to read about it |
| 14:32.24 | capiira | heh |
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| 14:34.24 | bzed | capiira: http://www.debian.org/doc/devel-manuals#makeadeb |
| 14:34.26 | capiira | ahh cool thanks |
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| 14:36.27 | nyty | hello |
| 14:36.31 | nyty | can anyohe help me |
| 14:36.33 | nyty | with nvidia card |
| 14:36.35 | h3sp4wn | has anyone tried installing etch recently from a daily netinstall ? nothing fancy just x86 (i.e today or yesterday) |
| 14:36.36 | nyty | nobody is on #nvidia |
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| 14:37.09 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, yes? |
| 14:37.37 | nyty | i downloaded new drivers from nvidia.com |
| 14:37.39 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, try http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:37.39 | nyty | i installed it |
| 14:37.48 | nyty | but if i restart |
| 14:37.55 | nyty | it dont works:| |
| 14:37.57 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, DO NOT USE THESE DRIVERS |
| 14:38.10 | nyty | why? |
| 14:38.11 | h3sp4wn | !nvidia |
| 14:38.11 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 14:38.12 | nyty | i need it |
| 14:38.13 | HardDisk_WP | the nvidia ones are fucked up and don't work with debian |
| 14:38.18 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, use http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers |
| 14:38.20 | nyty | drivers from package dont works |
| 14:38.26 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, *these* drivers work |
| 14:38.27 | nyty | if i install it |
| 14:38.32 | nyty | it doing FUCKIng textures |
| 14:38.35 | nyty | and i cant play anythink |
| 14:38.37 | nyty | so xorg too |
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| 14:39.14 | nyty | with new drivers i can |
| 14:39.18 | nyty | but if i restart it dont works :| |
| 14:39.30 | enouf | !need |
| 14:39.30 | dpkg | You don't NEED an application. You definitely don't NEED a game or site. You do not NEED a shell. You do not NEED to get a ban lifted. You NEED food. So go and buy your food, and if you feel that you absolutely NEED a program, we suggest that you go and buy that too while you're out. You do need beer, though. |
| 14:39.55 | nyty | fu |
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| 14:40.31 | nyty | Why debian original repository drivers are FUCKING ? |
| 14:40.42 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, *do not install the official dirver*. *follow the instructions of http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers * |
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| 14:40.49 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, nvidias fucking licernse |
| 14:40.55 | bzed | nyty: best way not to get help is to ignore the help you've got, know everything better and add F**** words |
| 14:41.01 | HardDisk_WP | it doesn't comply w/ debian requirements |
| 14:41.10 | nyty | sorry i dont have Xorg manager now |
| 14:41.13 | nyty | i`m here from console |
| 14:41.40 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, execute "lynx http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers" |
| 14:41.52 | nyty | yep |
| 14:42.19 | Reiser_X | Gut morning |
| 14:42.20 | HardDisk_WP | nyty, read this, follow the instructions and you will have a working driver |
| 14:42.22 | bzed | nyty: btw, I'm runnign a recent nvidia card with the driver build from the debian package and it works very well, so it can't be that bad, eh? |
| 14:42.36 | Reiser_X | abrotman: hi man |
| 14:42.57 | abrotman | Reiser_X: hi |
| 14:43.11 | nyty | its bad |
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| 14:47.21 | Reiser_X | abrotman: have you installed 3ddesk ? |
| 14:47.26 | abrotman | nope |
| 14:47.32 | Reiser_X | is good |
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| 14:47.42 | Reiser_X | but take some memory |
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| 14:54.02 | limpio | hi all, how do i change the window manager in Gnome from Metacity to fluxbox? |
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| 14:55.44 | amee2k | is it a good idea to wipe /tmp at every reboot? |
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| 14:57.43 | larsl | Is there a way to install a package from a local .deb file and still have all dependencies automatically downloaded and installed? |
| 14:57.52 | larsl | Like a cross between dpkg -i and apt-get install. |
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| 14:58.33 | hark | i think gdebi does that |
| 14:58.33 | HardDisk_WP | amee2k, debian wipes tmp automatically |
| 14:58.36 | viperser | how do u set a dir when u make a user? |
| 14:58.46 | stoned | I have installed lmsensors, sensors-detect and updated the modules file, modprobed the lised modules for sensors, however sensors keeps telling me Make sure you loaded all the kernel drivers you need. Try sensors-detect to find out which these are |
| 14:58.56 | viperser | -d doesn't want to set a dir that already there |
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| 14:59.05 | amee2k | good :) |
| 14:59.22 | stoned | anyone know what i'm doing wrong |
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| 14:59.30 | abrotman | limpio: killall metacity && fluxbox |
| 14:59.40 | amee2k | i'm thinking about putting it on an encrypted partition with a random key like the swap partition |
| 14:59.53 | amee2k | that would create a new filesystem on reboot |
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| 15:00.35 | drako | amee2k, im not sure if its or not a good idea but i do wipe /tmp on every reboot |
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| 15:01.03 | melodos | anyone here? |
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| 15:01.36 | melodos | how can i register my nick? |
| 15:01.40 | amee2k | how much space should i reserve for /tmp when i put it on a separate partition? |
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| 15:01.51 | amee2k | melodos: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:01.56 | freetos | does anybody know if knoppix uses debian repositories and if so, which ones? |
| 15:02.05 | melodos | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:02.05 | abrotman | freetos: ask #knoppix |
| 15:02.11 | Ronin | freetos: #knoppix would |
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| 15:02.13 | stoned | anyone? |
| 15:03.05 | melodos | not quite helpfull amee2k :( |
| 15:03.15 | Ronin | melodos: thats cause you didnt do it correctly |
| 15:03.17 | limpio | abrotman, thx, i was googling up and down and found this: type in the Run box (alt+F2): fluxbox --replace and that did it, saved session. |
| 15:03.37 | abrotman | limpio: that'll do it too :) |
| 15:03.39 | melodos | well in any case is there a command or something? |
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| 15:03.46 | Ronin | melodos: /msg nickserv help |
| 15:04.11 | stew | larsl: there is "dpkg -i package.deb ; apt-get -f install" |
| 15:04.18 | ma3x | what do I need to install to run a nameserver? |
| 15:04.26 | melodos | it just shows >nickserv< on the left bar and help on the right.. |
| 15:05.45 | Ronin | melodos: just type it |
| 15:05.45 | stew | ma3x: bind9 or dnsmasq |
| 15:05.45 | melodos | register |
| 15:05.45 | melodos | lol wtf.. |
| 15:05.45 | freetos | i was wanting to run knoppix.iso as my guest os in vitualbox and i wanted to know if i had access to all the applications that debian would have |
| 15:05.51 | stew | freetos: ask #knoppix |
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| 15:06.30 | freetos | stew, i did, no response |
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| 15:06.42 | casterman | hello |
| 15:06.43 | freetos | prehaps i should try linux |
| 15:07.19 | amee2k | how can i find out how much disk space a directory (including all files in all subdirectories below it) uses? |
| 15:07.32 | jello | amee2k: du -sh <dir> |
| 15:07.33 | amphi | amee2k: du -hs |
| 15:07.33 | stew | amee2k: du |
| 15:07.39 | amee2k | hehe |
| 15:08.00 | amee2k | ty |
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| 15:08.03 | amphi | amee2k: you see, it's no secret ;) |
| 15:08.04 | ma3x | stew: I installed dnsmasq. now where do I enter the domain name and IP of the domain I want resolved |
| 15:08.10 | amee2k | yeah |
| 15:09.01 | amphi | ma3x: dnsmasq is a caching dns forwarder only, AFAIK |
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| 15:09.21 | jello | ma3x: what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:09.49 | ma3x | jello: I'm trying to be the nameserver for a somedomain.com. I want to point domain to an IP |
| 15:10.03 | jello | ma3x: dnsmasq won't do that |
| 15:10.04 | Quintin_ | amphi: du -ah . | tail -1 |
| 15:10.11 | jello | ma3x: you need bind or something similar |
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| 15:10.36 | stew | ma3x: are you intending to become the authoritative dns server for somedomain.com? |
| 15:10.40 | jello | ma3x: if it's just an internal domain you can add to /etc/hosts |
| 15:10.51 | ma3x | stew: exactly |
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| 15:10.56 | jello | ma3x: but if you want to provide the service to others you need a DNS server |
| 15:11.03 | stew | ma3x: yeah, you probably want bind9 then |
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| 15:11.11 | ma3x | also, can I do it with one nameserver? or are 2 mandatory? |
| 15:11.15 | jello | ma3x: and a proper whois record pointing to your server |
| 15:11.29 | stew | ma3x: 2 are manditory |
| 15:11.39 | jello | ma3x: you can do it with one and then use one of the free secondary dns services on the web |
| 15:11.51 | ma3x | stew: let's say I have the record on ns1 but not on ns2, it won't update? |
| 15:12.19 | ma3x | jello: free secondary dns services? like? |
| 15:12.22 | stew | ma3x: what won't update? |
| 15:12.24 | jello | ma3x: when you update ns1 is should send it to all the others |
| 15:13.08 | jello | ma3x: granitecanyon.com |
| 15:13.33 | ma3x | stew: I mean if I update the whois record of the domain with my ns1 and ns2 (that can be any ns2), then would that work? |
| 15:13.54 | jello | ma3x: twisted4life.com also i think |
| 15:14.00 | ma3x | I mean when you try to nslookup it, it will ask the ns1 and if ns1 provides the dns, then ns2 is not necessary |
| 15:14.11 | ma3x | you could use some isp's ns2 or any ns1 |
| 15:14.12 | jello | ma3x: *IF* |
| 15:14.14 | ma3x | ns I mean |
| 15:14.24 | jello | ma3x: you have no control over which of the two is used |
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| 15:14.33 | jello | ma3x: and it's a bug if their not identical |
| 15:14.45 | jello | s/their/they're |
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| 15:16.20 | ma3x | let me jut get this straight in my mind: if you do nslookup on some domain, who has the IP of that domain cached - your isp's ns or the ns in the domain whois record |
| 15:17.03 | ma3x | your isp's NS actually asks the NS responsible for that domain, right? |
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| 15:18.32 | ma3x | what would you advise to use, bind or bind9? |
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| 15:19.14 | abrotman | bind9 |
| 15:19.16 | jello | ma3x: bind9 |
| 15:19.18 | vlt | Hello. What does `trap` do? I can't find a man page for it. |
| 15:19.25 | christopherl | any music download site that supports Linux? |
| 15:19.26 | jello | vlt: it's a shell builtin |
| 15:19.37 | jello | vlt: it traps signals send to the process |
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| 15:20.06 | jello | ma3x: i don't understand your first question |
| 15:20.47 | vlt | jello: Thx, so what does `trap "rm -f foo" 0 1 2 3 15` mean? |
| 15:21.02 | jello | vlt: read the manpage :) |
| 15:21.30 | jello | vlt: you should be able to guess from my explanation above |
| 15:22.54 | ma3x | jello: if you update the ns1 and ns2 in your whois record, it gets about 24 hours. what happens during that process? |
| 15:23.26 | jello | ma3x: it gets distributed to the root servers |
| 15:23.42 | vlt | jello: trap is going to bg and waiting for one of the signals? But from where? From outside the calling process (shell script) or from `rm`? |
| 15:23.48 | ma3x | jello: what if ns1 has the record and ns2 doesn't. will it go through? |
| 15:24.16 | jello | ma3x: your registrar will probably not let you put in a whois record with only one NS |
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| 15:24.43 | ma3x | jello: I would put 2 ns - one mine and one of my ISP which does not have a zone for my domain |
| 15:24.52 | jello | vlt: if you send a signal to the process that ran trap, the rm will get executed |
| 15:25.22 | jello | ma3x: well, if a client tries to resolve something in your domain and uses your ISP as the NS it won't find it... |
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| 15:25.35 | vlt | jello: Aaaah, ok. Thx. |
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| 15:26.22 | jello | vlt: obviously it will only run on the trapped signals, the rest will have the default action done |
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| 15:26.29 | ma3x | jello: then I would put some hostname which is not a nameserver, so nobody will use it |
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| 15:26.52 | jello | ma3x: no, you should use one of the free secondary DNS services like i said earlier |
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| 15:27.07 | ma3x | jello: that's a good solution. what about the zone? what should it look like |
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| 15:27.15 | ma3x | @ IN SOA localhost. root.localhost. ( |
| 15:27.20 | jello | ma3x: why don't you read the HOWTO |
| 15:27.23 | ma3x | what do I change there for domain.com? |
| 15:27.31 | ma3x | or where do I put the IP address? |
| 15:27.45 | ma3x | well are there no examples for real domains? |
| 15:27.51 | jello | i'm happy to answer questions if you've made a reasonable attempt at trying your own |
| 15:27.57 | jello | ma3x: yes, check the howto |
| 15:28.08 | ma3x | where? |
| 15:28.29 | abrotman | install the Bind ARM and it goes in /usr/share/doc |
| 15:28.34 | bzed | ma3x: seriously - if you have no clue about zonefiles and bind you do NOT want to set up a NS which takes care of connected domains |
| 15:28.34 | jello | ma3x: first hit on google for dns howto |
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| 15:29.03 | jello | bzed: he's gotta learn sometime... |
| 15:29.14 | abrotman | well .. he doesn't *have* to |
| 15:29.18 | ma3x | well I know something, I've forgotten almost everything now |
| 15:29.28 | abrotman | so hire an admin \o/ |
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| 15:29.34 | jello | heh |
| 15:29.36 | Quintin | .. /callteamvote kick ma3x dumbass |
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| 15:29.47 | Quintin | oh sorry, thought I was playing tremulous :-o |
| 15:29.56 | azeem_ | Quintin: play elsewhere |
| 15:29.57 | stew | Quintin: there is no need for name calling |
| 15:30.13 | Quintin | There is need.. for google. |
| 15:30.21 | bzed | jello: too many people setup mailservers and NS and wonder themselves why *interesting* things start to happen |
| 15:30.30 | vorsprung | abrotman, I am available for admin work |
| 15:30.36 | abrotman | vorsprung: i'm not hiring :) |
| 15:30.40 | azeem_ | hrm |
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| 15:31.02 | vorsprung | abrotman, could you afford me anyway?? :) |
| 15:31.09 | abrotman | vorsprung: probably |
| 15:31.51 | ma3x | bzed: why pay $20-30 per year for a single domain forwarding when I could try and set it up myself |
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| 15:32.31 | ma3x | of course it wouldn't be reliable, but who cares, with some help I could get it working |
| 15:32.38 | abrotman | ma3x: then it's time to start reading |
| 15:32.42 | vorsprung | ma3x, BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW HOW# |
| 15:32.55 | stew | vorsprung: please turn off your caps lock |
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| 15:33.28 | jello | vorsprung: chill out dude |
| 15:33.28 | vorsprung | seems a good reason to pay up |
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| 15:33.28 | vorsprung | jello, sorry, monday effect |
| 15:33.28 | jello | vorsprung: understood |
| 15:33.33 | abrotman | ma3x: we're not going to walk you through the whole thing ... Bind has been around a long time and there are plenty of good docs and a few good books |
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| 15:34.24 | ma3x | okay I agree. I thought there was some howto in the manpages or some docs |
| 15:34.25 | bzed | ma3x: running NSs is nothing you learn by reading some stuff for 15 minutes imho. although I know how to run bind I'm pretty happy that the guys who're hosting my servers have nameservers I can use |
| 15:35.06 | abrotman | ma3x: http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/view/?release=9.2.8#DOCS |
| 15:35.17 | abrotman | ma3x: sorry .. this http://www.isc.org/sw/bind/arm92/index.php |
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| 15:35.22 | ma3x | if there's free secondary ns service, is there a free primary one? :p |
| 15:35.31 | bzed | ma3x: that saved me a lot of time I can spend better - so at the end it is cheaper for me |
| 15:35.34 | ma3x | abro thanks |
| 15:35.44 | jello | ma3x: you would know the answer to that if you followed the link i sent you |
| 15:35.52 | abrotman | ma3x: assuming you're using sarge/stable .. those should help you |
| 15:36.25 | ma3x | is it a whole lot different for sid? |
| 15:36.36 | abrotman | ma3x: or if you have Safari from Oreilly .. http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/dns5/index.html |
| 15:36.46 | abrotman | ma3x: should be enough to get you started |
| 15:37.13 | jello | abrotman: bah, i learned from the dns howto |
| 15:37.28 | abrotman | jello: i would hope he knows how to find tldp.org :) |
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| 15:37.55 | jello | abrotman: assume nothing :) |
| 15:38.13 | Ronin | we all know how assume breaks down after all |
| 15:38.19 | viperser | hmm whats the easiest ftpd to use with debian? |
| 15:38.23 | jello | Ronin: exactly |
| 15:38.30 | xand | !ftp |
| 15:38.31 | anilomkar | can any one tell me how to Install PHP5 support for apache2 in debian etch? |
| 15:38.31 | dpkg | somebody said ftp was (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 15:38.46 | viperser | !ftp |
| 15:38.46 | dpkg | well, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 15:38.47 | abrotman | viperser: vsftpd or proftpd usually |
| 15:38.54 | abrotman | anilomkar: libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:39.01 | bzed | ma3x: btw - I just pay 0.75 EUR per year per domain for the NS entries - probably you just want to search for a cheaper (but good) ISP |
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| 15:39.10 | mut | anyone know how linux sata support is in latest kernel? If i got a 3ware sata 2 raid card.. i could boot off it and shitz? |
| 15:39.11 | viperser | proftpd wont let me new users in |
| 15:39.22 | abrotman | mut: which latest kernel ? |
| 15:39.23 | Ronin | viperser: then you didnt set it up correctly |
| 15:39.32 | mut | the latest stable |
| 15:39.37 | ma3x | bzed: where do you pay that much? |
| 15:39.38 | mut | not debian distro |
| 15:39.41 | viperser | pass works for them in ssh but not with the ftp |
| 15:39.44 | abrotman | mut: which kernel version ? |
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| 15:39.47 | mut | 2.6 |
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| 15:39.52 | amee2k | hm... can i use BSD disklabels on an x86 PC? |
| 15:39.53 | abrotman | thanks .. WHICH? |
| 15:39.55 | vorsprung | viperser, I've used proftpd before. Read all the docs and fiddle. It will work in the end |
| 15:40.07 | abrotman | mut: which distro .. and which kernel ? |
| 15:40.15 | bzed | ma3x: hetzner in germany - but I have my servers sitting aroudn there, too... no clue how much you pay for NS only |
| 15:40.22 | mut | usin debian, kernel... sec i gotta look it up |
| 15:40.26 | mut | 2.6.20 |
| 15:40.31 | abrotman | then you'd ask ##kernel |
| 15:40.51 | ma3x | bzed: so I can get a zone for 0,75 per year? |
| 15:41.04 | abrotman | ma3x: also there is #dns and #bind |
| 15:41.08 | bzed | ma3x: if you have your server there - yes. if not - no clue |
| 15:41.29 | viperser | what file do u have to use to add the new users? |
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| 15:41.38 | viperser | well fix |
| 15:41.51 | ma3x | bzed: that's why I told you. it's usually $20-30 per year. not to mention the local isp prices. |
| 15:42.22 | amee2k | can i use BSD disklabels on the boot disk of an IBM PC? |
| 15:42.36 | abrotman | i think so |
| 15:42.43 | amee2k | good :) |
| 15:42.46 | bzed | *BSD does, so it should work, yes |
| 15:43.18 | viperser | any proftpd users here? |
| 15:43.33 | abrotman | i'm sure there are .. and also in #proftpd |
| 15:44.02 | bzed | ma3x: well, if you have your own server somewhere - ask the company who provides the connection |
| 15:45.06 | abrotman | viperser: it might work better if you state what you're trying to accomplish |
| 15:45.53 | bzed | ma3x: also you should think about how much your ISP has to pay for the domain you own..... not all domains are cheap |
| 15:46.17 | zamuro | viperser: What do you need? |
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| 15:49.12 | wwallace_lap | in what dir are the bookmarks located for konqueror? |
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| 15:51.44 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
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| 15:51.45 | zamuro | Hey. |
| 15:51.45 | jello | !greet anapivirtua |
| 15:51.45 | dpkg | Gr33tz, anapivirtua |
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| 15:51.52 | jello | wwallace_lap: ~/.kde/share/apps/konqueror |
| 15:52.11 | wwallace_lap | thanks |
| 15:52.44 | jello | couldn't remember if it was apps or config... |
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| 15:53.29 | wwallace_lap | thats the right one jello |
| 15:53.33 | wwallace_lap | thanks a lot |
| 15:53.41 | jello | np |
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| 15:55.34 | abrotman | amee2k: google? maybe #compclassic or whatever it is |
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| 15:55.48 | abrotman | sounds IBM-ish :) |
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| 15:56.15 | abrotman | http://www.dynamoo.com/orange/ |
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| 15:56.29 | jello | it's the cd format |
| 15:56.46 | abrotman | see .. i was way off! |
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| 15:58.42 | amee2k | well, i know what the orange book is, i just can't figure out what it has to do with CD recorders. |
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| 15:59.23 | amee2k | i can't find a ref on WB wither |
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| 15:59.57 | jello | orange book is a reference to the color of the binder that the cd format came in |
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| 16:00.23 | jello | there is also yellow book and others... |
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| 16:00.46 | amee2k | so its more a pun than a designation? |
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| 16:01.20 | jello | no, it's the "technical term" |
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| 16:02.31 | jello | vint-cerft: turn that off please, it's rude |
| 16:03.32 | jello | amee2k: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rainbow_Books |
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| 16:05.56 | amee2k | heh |
| 16:06.04 | amee2k | i see. another orange book |
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| 16:07.05 | amee2k | i only knew TCSEC and that opengl book as orange books |
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| 16:07.37 | vorsprung | amee2k, there's a network protocol one for X25 too |
| 16:07.46 | vorsprung | amee2k, I forget what it is about |
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| 16:09.17 | abhinay | hi all |
| 16:09.42 | wwallace_lap | how can i see a slide show of a pictures dir? |
| 16:09.43 | abhinay | svn command isn't working, which package i need to install to get it to work ? |
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| 16:10.09 | stew | abhinay: subversion (/msg dpkg search) |
| 16:10.20 | mbuf | wwallace_lap, just select the pictures in nautilus and double click, should open default photo editor and you can click next to see the pictures |
| 16:10.37 | wwallace_lap | nautilus? |
| 16:11.02 | mbuf | wwallace_lap, its a file browser |
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| 16:11.19 | wwallace_lap | ok |
| 16:11.21 | wwallace_lap | thanks |
| 16:11.40 | mbuf | wwallace_lap, eye of gnome is opened and you can see the pictures in it |
| 16:11.51 | Ronin | wwallace_lap: if its installed kview does it as well |
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| 16:11.58 | wwallace_lap | ok |
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| 16:13.28 | enouf | we won't mention which distribution wwallace_lap is really using though :-P |
| 16:14.42 | wwallace_lap | cmon |
| 16:14.42 | wwallace_lap | enouf: |
| 16:14.42 | enouf | but Kmenu-> Graphics has tons of shit |
| 16:14.42 | enouf | and if it doesn't wwallace_lap ,then /msg dpkg search |
| 16:15.32 | abrotman | !be a apt-cache search barbie |
| 16:15.32 | dpkg | Aww, apt-cache search is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
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| 16:16.59 | krazykit | hahaha |
| 16:17.14 | krazykit | dpkg is just full of silliness. |
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| 16:23.51 | amee2k | does `dd skip=x` use fseek() or just read and discard x blocks? |
| 16:24.35 | asg | amee2k: you could use strace(1) to find out which syscalls it uses |
| 16:25.26 | amee2k | hm... |
| 16:25.40 | amee2k | looks like read-and-discard :S |
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| 16:27.52 | asg | amee2k: hmmm, here it looks like it doesn't do that. Seeking a long way info a file would generate lots of IO and take some time. I'm not seeing it. |
| 16:28.20 | asg | amee2k: _llseek(1, 18944000000, [0], SEEK_CUR) = 0 #(using an internal seek syscall by the looks of it) |
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| 16:29.00 | larsl | Probably depends on whether the input file is seekable or not. |
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| 16:29.37 | bamzin | hi there. my ethernet card 'Marvell Yukon 88E8038 PCI-E Fast Ethernet Controller' cant be recognised during the debian installation. anyone know what to do? |
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| 16:30.16 | stew | bamzin: did you try the 2.6 kernel or just the (default) 2.4 kernel? |
| 16:30.51 | rock_feng | hi all, I installed lbdb, but when I used it in mutt-ng, I got "/usr/bin/lbdbq: line 74: m_muttalias_query: command not found;/usr/bin/lbdbq: line 74: m_inmail_query: command not found" |
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| 16:31.58 | bamzin | stew: sincerely i dont knwo what kernel version this dvd iso uses.. ive downloaded the last debian stable version (3.1 r4 i think) |
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| 16:32.12 | stew | !linux26 |
| 16:32.12 | dpkg | from memory, linux26 is the sarge installer comes with both a 2.4 and 2.6 kernel. It defaults to 2.4 which may not work for newer hardware. If you have trouble installing with the default kernel, try the 2.6 kernel by typing "linux26" at the boot: prompt of the installer CD |
| 16:32.16 | stew | bamzin: ^^ |
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| 16:32.38 | bamzin | linux26? coool i'll try. thanks stew! |
| 16:32.44 | melodos | can someone please tell me how to register my nick??? |
| 16:32.52 | maxamillion | bamzin: the default "install" will just be 2.4, but linux26 will install 2.6 ;) |
| 16:32.55 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.02 | maxamillion | melodos: /msg nickserv help register |
| 16:33.04 | stew | bamzin: if that doesn't work, there are unofficial installers with even newer kernels, or there is etch which will be released soon |
| 16:33.23 | maxamillion | stew: "soon" being a fluent concept at the moment ;) |
| 16:33.31 | maxamillion | errr... fluid* |
| 16:33.34 | bzed | bamzin: why not just try etch and the new installer? |
| 16:33.47 | melodos | nothing is happening guys |
| 16:33.53 | bamzin | well, lemme see. i hope not find much trouble heh |
| 16:33.53 | maxamillion | stew: is there actually any official work on when it might be out? |
| 16:34.01 | stew | maxamillion: yes, /msg dpkg wwer |
| 16:34.04 | maxamillion | melodos: what irc client are you using? |
| 16:34.05 | bamzin | bzed: etch and the new installer? whats it? |
| 16:34.08 | maxamillion | stew: thanks |
| 16:34.10 | melodos | xgnome |
| 16:34.14 | bamzin | bzed: sorry,im a total newbie :/ |
| 16:34.20 | melodos | xchat srry |
| 16:34.25 | bzed | melodos: the output is in the server window, not in a channel window |
| 16:34.34 | melodos | :) |
| 16:34.53 | xi1 | any mail server admins here? |
| 16:35.02 | Quintin | yes |
| 16:35.13 | bzed | bamzin: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 16:35.18 | bzed | yes |
| 16:35.24 | xi1 | cool, do you know a fix for hotmail destinations? |
| 16:35.33 | xi1 | all my mails are bouncing |
| 16:35.45 | asg | bouncing with what error? |
| 16:35.50 | xi1 | been reading a post, MS introduced sender-id |
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| 16:36.18 | maxamillion | hotmail .... cute |
| 16:36.24 | vlt | Hello. Can I tell postfix or sendmail to add specific header to every mail sent out? |
| 16:36.29 | mormoloc | my computer is receiving a lot strange web/packages without me touching a finger on anything |
| 16:36.31 | mormoloc | how can i find out what im receiving throught my internet connection? |
| 16:36.32 | bzed | xi1: read the mailserver log. which reject message do you get? |
| 16:36.37 | xi1 | 1sec |
| 16:36.45 | bamzin | bzed: ah, right. ive downloaded this 100mb cd iso. i installed (ethernet didnt work aswell) and the graphic interface wasnt working aswell. i thought downloading a full dvd installation would work better |
| 16:36.49 | bzed | mormoloc: use wireshark or tcpdump |
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| 16:36.53 | vlt | mormoloc: tcpdump or iftop |
| 16:37.04 | mormoloc | for newbs |
| 16:37.06 | mormoloc | ? |
| 16:37.25 | bzed | tcpdump -i yourexternalinterface0 |
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| 16:38.26 | asg | mormoloc: you could also check out the ip addresses listed in the output of `netstat -plunt' going to outbound systems and see if they are recognizable (use `dig' to resolve them if need be.) |
| 16:38.44 | asg | s/-plunt/-apnut |
| 16:39.04 | xi1 | http://pastebin.ca/352127 |
| 16:39.13 | xi1 | bzed: check above |
| 16:39.30 | bzed | bamzin: hmm, seems that there were some issues with the driver for your NIC... I'd just do a minimal install and then copy a recent kernel .deb on your computer and isntall it |
| 16:39.38 | bamzin | guys, booting linux26 didnt work either, my ethernet card cant be recognised |
| 16:39.43 | asg | xi1: hotmail doesn't like you apparently or the content of your message |
| 16:39.46 | xi1 | hotmail rejects all mails with that same message |
| 16:39.51 | xi1 | no |
| 16:40.17 | bzed | amazing, that says nothing :| |
| 16:40.18 | bzed | hmm |
| 16:40.21 | bamzin | bzed: newer kernel? 2.6 doesnt work? :/ okay.. how do I do this? i may burn this .deb on a cd and stuff like, boring |
| 16:40.33 | bzed | does the reverse lookup of your mailserver's IP work xi1 ? |
| 16:40.34 | Ronin | xi1: did you look at http://postmaster.msn.com |
| 16:40.38 | GeorgeS069 | xi1: hotmail accepts mail from me just fine and I'm not using senderID |
| 16:40.49 | maxamillion | bamzin: burn the .deb to a cd? |
| 16:40.49 | asg | xi1: are you sending from a cable/dial-up connection? Check if your sending mta's ip or your address block isn't in some RBL |
| 16:40.51 | xi1 | bzed: yea |
| 16:40.57 | Assid | xi1: stop sending spam |
| 16:40.58 | stew | bamzin: what is this machine going to be used for? |
| 16:41.01 | xi1 | Ronin: yes |
| 16:41.04 | stew | bamzin: a desktop? a server? |
| 16:41.16 | xi1 | GeorgeS069: maybe your ISP does |
| 16:41.17 | bzed | bamzin: 2.6 is a series of kernels. I think the recent debian packages are 2.6.19 or 2.6.20, but that's not the installer's kernel |
| 16:41.17 | bamzin | maxamillion: yes. how can i 'send' the .deb to my laptop if the ethernet card doesnt work? heh |
| 16:41.25 | asg | bamzin: sneakernet |
| 16:41.25 | bamzin | stew: desktop, home desktop.. |
| 16:41.29 | GeorgeS069 | xi1: I am my ISP :) |
| 16:41.37 | xi1 | Assid: no, i'm sending it directly form my server's MTA |
| 16:41.41 | bamzin | asg: whats it? |
| 16:41.50 | maxamillion | bamzin: ah, ok |
| 16:41.59 | asg | bamzin: well, you put the file on a floppy or usb key, put your sneakers on, and walk it over to your laptop |
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| 16:42.04 | stew | bamzin: i'd recommend just trying the etch installer. etch will become debian 4.0 in the next couple of weeks. try a daily netinst from http://debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 16:42.12 | xi1 | umm |
| 16:42.13 | bzed | xi1: try to send it to postmaster _at_ bzed.de if you want, lt's see if my server rejects it, too |
| 16:42.31 | bamzin | stew: hmm okay. thanks |
| 16:42.45 | xi1 | it arrives on all servers, except @hotmail.com |
| 16:42.47 | stew | bamzin: do you have linux running on it right now? |
| 16:42.59 | Ronin | xi1: why not just set up sender ID? |
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| 16:43.28 | bamzin | stew: yes, i ubuntu edgy and opensuse are installed and both recognised well the ethernet card but the sound card, which doesnt work on (but this is another story heh) |
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| 16:43.42 | bzed | xi1: I doubt you've tested all mailservers ;) |
| 16:43.46 | xi1 | Ronin: can't find any clues on that topic [postfix with sender-id] |
| 16:43.57 | stew | bamzin: do you know which driver you are using with ubuntu? |
| 16:44.01 | bzed | xi1: and you don;t need sender id, I'm sure ;) |
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| 16:44.22 | bamzin | stew: how can i identify which driver i am using? i can check right now, quit the debian install and see this |
| 16:44.23 | xi1 | bzed: true, i was immpying on all the destinations mail were send to |
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| 16:44.29 | xi1 | *implying |
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| 16:44.37 | bzed | xi1: well... send one mail to me if you want |
| 16:44.39 | stew | bamzin: or can you tell us the output of "lspci -n | awk '/0200/{print $3}'" |
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| 16:44.59 | bamzin | stew: okay, just a minute |
| 16:45.12 | asg | xi1: http://postmaster.msn.com is mentioned as a place to go for help in troubleshooting |
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| 16:45.34 | bzed | asg: which is pretyt much senseless, the infos there are... lol ;) |
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| 16:45.47 | xi1 | yea, i've read almost all pages |
| 16:45.56 | bzed | http://postmaster.msn.com/Guidelines.aspx << read that |
| 16:45.57 | xi1 | maybe i should contact hotmail staff/support |
| 16:46.13 | asg | bzed: it's a place to start at least ;) |
| 16:46.14 | bzed | xi1: go send me an email, at least you'll have a serious reject message then |
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| 16:46.45 | arrenlex | http://pastebin.ca/352137 <--- what's going on? |
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| 16:47.24 | bzed | xi1: and we are able to help you |
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| 16:48.23 | wwallace_lap | enouf: stop poicking you buggers |
| 16:48.41 | bzed | xi1: at least tell us your server's IP and the domain name you're using to send emails with |
| 16:48.42 | Ronin | poicking? what the heck is that? |
| 16:48.45 | bamzin | stew: it returns: 11ab:4352 |
| 16:48.45 | asg | arrenlex: see if dpkg-reconfigure locales fixes things |
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| 16:49.05 | wwallace_lap | for the ignorant ignoration' |
| 16:49.09 | xi1 | bzed: i don't see its relance in this situation |
| 16:49.09 | wwallace_lap | google it |
| 16:49.15 | xi1 | *relevance |
| 16:49.24 | Ronin | or you could just tell us wwallace_lap |
| 16:49.26 | bzed | xi1: hotmail doesn;t reject your email for no reason |
| 16:49.33 | arrenlex | asg: In that list, I only have en_GB ISO-8859-1 checked. Is this correct? |
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| 16:49.42 | JoyFM | hi |
| 16:49.53 | stew | bamzin: yeah, that's the sky2 driver, that will be supported by the 4.0 installer but not the 3.1 installer |
| 16:50.01 | xi1 | bzed: i'm not sure what you think I'm doing, but no, I don't do spamming |
| 16:50.04 | JoyFM | is the debian unoffical amd64 the same as the "normal" debian sarge but just compiled for the amd64? |
| 16:50.05 | bzed | xi1: most serios mails ervers will reject your email for the same reason, but a lot of mails ervers just accept a lot of weird stuff |
| 16:50.09 | asg | arrenlex: if you wish to use another locale besides the iso-8859-1, select it also and the required locale files will be compiled |
| 16:50.15 | bzed | xi1: I jsut think you've something configured worng |
| 16:51.09 | bzed | xi1: and either you want help, then you should give out some informations, or you don't want help, then you don;t need to ask |
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| 16:51.10 | bamzin | stew: right then. do you know when will 4.0 be released? |
| 16:51.13 | bzed | my glass bowl can;t see the problem, probably you want to give me some fish xi1 |
| 16:51.22 | xi1 | these info are too vulnerable, like domain name and ip address |
| 16:51.28 | bzed | lol |
| 16:51.32 | arrenlex | asg: It didn't help anything. |
| 16:51.40 | bzed | xi1: then don;t connect them to the internet |
| 16:51.41 | bamzin | (3.1 installer doesnt work. which means ive spent a blank dvd media and 3days of downloading for nothing :P) |
| 16:52.09 | xi1 | and again, i don't see how domain name and or ip will contribute anything on this matter |
| 16:52.14 | stew | bamzin: it will be soon, but nobody knows for sure. it's usable now however |
| 16:52.51 | bamzin | stew: okay,i may wait for the release. thanks a lot stew. hope it works soon ;) |
| 16:52.57 | bzed | xi1: sounds like you ahve no clue about mailservers? |
| 16:53.10 | xi1 | bzed: explain to me, I'm such an amature, why do you need the domain name? |
| 16:53.21 | bzed | xi1: to check the NS records |
| 16:53.30 | bzed | and the ip to check the reverse NS records |
| 16:53.32 | xi1 | no, i'm just cautious on what info I provide on the internet |
| 16:53.33 | stew | bamzin: "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18" and go to the kmuto.jp link. he has an installer that installs 3.1 with the 4.0 kernel |
| 16:53.44 | xi1 | my reverse works |
| 16:53.48 | GeorgeS069 | bamzin: I installed Etch on this laptop just a few days ago and it worked great...only problem was wireless but,that's because my wireless chipset sucks |
| 16:53.54 | bzed | xi1: what does it resolve to? |
| 16:54.04 | xi1 | to my domain |
| 16:54.10 | bamzin | GeorgeS069: whats your laptop? |
| 16:54.16 | xi1 | what else |
| 16:54.19 | xi1 | hotmail.com? |
| 16:54.20 | GeorgeS069 | HP Pavillion zv6000 |
| 16:54.21 | xi1 | localhost? |
| 16:54.39 | bzed | xi1: no, but often the problem is that it resolves to a dialup connection |
| 16:54.47 | xi1 | it's not |
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| 16:54.47 | bzed | or somethign else |
| 16:54.54 | bigwig | hi |
| 16:55.03 | xi1 | i know what i'm doing |
| 16:55.06 | xi1 | damn, gotta go cook |
| 16:55.10 | xi1 | bbl =/ |
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| 16:55.30 | bigwig | how can I tell Apache2 to serve content from different directories when users come from certain countries? |
| 16:55.35 | bamzin | GeorgeS069: but hp pavillion has the same ethernet card as mine(an acer) has? |
| 16:55.59 | bzed | xi1: btw, it should resolve back to a server with a valid MX entry for your domain |
| 16:56.03 | enouf | stew: did you use http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/index.cgi to figure out the name "sky2" module for the Marvell controller? |
| 16:56.12 | bzed | xi1: the server you';re sending mail with needs an MX entry for the domain, too |
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| 16:56.43 | GeorgeS069 | bamzin: no...it's has a realtek.I was just letting you know that Etch is pretty safe to install now and there's no great need to wait for the actual release. |
| 16:57.01 | bamzin | GeorgeS069: aaah okay :) |
| 16:57.33 | bamzin | GeorgeS069: just to know.. your sound card is also a realtek? had any problem with it? |
| 16:57.39 | GeorgeS069 | bamzin: probably best to use a daily build and just keep the system updated |
| 16:57.54 | stew | enouf: no i ran: grep "11ab.*4352" /lib/modules/(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 16:58.16 | stew | enouf: uhh, but you would want $(uname -r) not (uname -r) for an sh compatible shell |
| 16:58.20 | GeorgeS069 | bamzin: I am pretty sure the sundcard is AC97 but,it did setup fine during the install |
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| 16:58.56 | bamzin | GeorgeS069: hmm,right |
| 16:58.56 | enouf | stew: the reason I ask .. is your awk command gave the nice lspic -n output (only the nic somehow) , and I note; if another Linux is bootable, any fairly new distro will have lshal (IINM), and a driver list can be obtained using "lshal | grep info.linux.driver" though the output doesn't tell you which controller each belongs too.. however most are familiar looking |
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| 16:58.57 | cahoot | GeorgeS069: I'm pretty sure it's an hda-intel |
| 16:59.30 | enouf | stew: ah .. ok .. I grepped /usr/share/misc/pci.ids which didn't work .. |
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| 17:00.03 | GeorgeS069 | bamzin: I meant MY soundcard :) |
| 17:00.10 | enouf | pci.map ? .. nice one ;-) |
| 17:00.23 | enouf | er modules.pcimap* |
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| 17:00.54 | bamzin | GeorgeS069: yes ;) cause mine has a realtek soundcard too, but ive got infinite trouble with it heh |
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| 17:01.30 | bamzin | the latest alsa pack seemed to correct the bug, but here nothing changed :P anyway.. |
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| 17:02.31 | stew | enouf: yeah. we probably need a grep-hal command or something |
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| 17:02.53 | stew | enouf: and then to figure out what all of the "device_class" and "device_subclass" constants are and such |
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| 17:04.55 | GeorgeS069 | stew: I did ditch the whole evil ndiswrapper and go with the real OSS driver for my broadcom chip :) |
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| 17:05.21 | stew | \*/ |
| 17:05.57 | GeorgeS069 | managed to connect but,no encryption and it won't get a dhcp lease so...still working on it |
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| 17:07.10 | enouf | stew: I've been trying to figure out a "plucking" relevant info method .. something like "lshal | grep -A 15 natsemi" .. but I already know the driver name .. heh .. a lshal | egrep 'info.linux.driver|info.product' ain't too bad, but too much extraneous info still .. I suck at scripting |
| 17:07.32 | enouf | !congrats GeorgeS069 |
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| 17:08.12 | chreekat | If a package is autoinstalled with aptitude, how can I find out what other package caused it to be auto-installed? |
| 17:08.16 | ma3x | how do I find out the nameservers responsible for an IP address? |
| 17:08.24 | GeorgeS069 | enouf: thanks...I will get it working...might even switch the WLAN over to wpa2 when I'm done |
| 17:08.38 | drako | ma3x, with nslookup |
| 17:08.44 | cahoot | dig |
| 17:09.15 | KermitTheFragger | hello |
| 17:09.17 | GeorgeS069 | nslookup is dead...or dying atleast:) |
| 17:09.19 | stew | enouf: we realy want something like grep-dctrl |
| 17:09.33 | KermitTheFragger | does anybody know why a nfs4 mount gives 'Warning: rpc.idmapd appears not to be running.' |
| 17:09.36 | enouf | will hit the manpages ;-) |
| 17:09.39 | KermitTheFragger | even tough it is running ? |
| 17:09.49 | Assid | :( |
| 17:10.00 | drako | with dig too, `dig www.yoururl.com | grep SERVER` |
| 17:10.05 | KermitTheFragger | it even gives that error if i mount the export localy on the server :( |
| 17:10.05 | ma3x | is my ISP the only one who can reverse my IP? |
| 17:10.20 | amphi | GeorgeS069: does it work with static ip? |
| 17:10.30 | drako | ma3x, as long as that ip block belongs to ur ISP yes. |
| 17:10.53 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: no...tried it that way also...wpa_gui does show a connect though so I did make some progress |
| 17:11.03 | enouf | amazing .. I keep finding new tool/utils each and every day .. just friggin absotively fantabulous! |
| 17:11.23 | GeorgeS069 | iwconfig lists that AP as connected too |
| 17:11.39 | amphi | GeorgeS069: I find the command line tools better for debugging, gui things hide too much |
| 17:11.40 | ma3x | so, IPs have nameservers, just like domains do |
| 17:12.03 | ma3x | I just did dig and it shows only one nameserver IP. shouldn't there be two or more? |
| 17:12.20 | GeorgeS069 | amphi: I am mostly using the cli for all this...just had wpa_gui running to learn about it also |
| 17:12.57 | ma3x | wait a minute, with dig you can only see your IPs DNS at SERVER |
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| 17:13.42 | bigwig | bye |
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| 17:14.42 | GeorgeS069 | let me boot up etch and maybe we can figure out what I'm doing wrong...bbiab |
| 17:15.11 | george_15 | Hi, today I installed Debian Etch but I have some problems with the second ethernet address because the system detect it with lspci (they are 2 identical Realtek ethernet card) but when I try to bring up the second debian says that the devices doesn't not exist. If I do ifconfig -a I get the interface eth1_rena.. |
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| 17:15.58 | ma3x | how do I get the nameservers responsible for IP? |
| 17:16.15 | amphi | george_15: you could use ifrename to bind iface names to the mac addresses |
| 17:16.37 | petemc | ma3x: dig ns domain |
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| 17:16.43 | petemc | ma3x: oh, for ip? |
| 17:16.46 | sepski | ma3x, do something like host -t ns 211.17.217.in-addr.arpa (using myself as example) |
| 17:16.46 | ma3x | yes for ip |
| 17:16.49 | george_15 | amphi: is it a bug? |
| 17:16.52 | petemc | ma3x: ips dont have nameservers |
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| 17:17.11 | bzed | ma3x: well, responsible for your IP is normally your ISP, especially for the reverse NS entry for that IP |
| 17:17.11 | ma3x | petemc: then how do you know which nameservers resolv them? |
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| 17:17.28 | petemc | ma3x: you perhaps need to think about what resolving means in this context |
| 17:17.31 | ma3x | bzed: but where do I see what nameserver is exactly responsible? |
| 17:17.38 | ma3x | petemc: reverse |
| 17:17.40 | amphi | george_15: doubt it |
| 17:17.43 | sepski | ma3x, keep in mind to put the ip's backwards |
| 17:17.45 | petemc | dig -x ip |
| 17:17.56 | [s0] | hello, in others ircs have mode +x.. (can't see user ip's) ¿ here have other mode cant see ip? |
| 17:17.59 | petemc | ma3x: not every ip has a ptr record |
| 17:18.02 | stew | ma3x: dig in-addr.arpa ns |
| 17:18.17 | stew | (which is the same as just "dig" probably) |
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| 17:18.37 | george_15 | amphi: if I do: ifconfig eth1_rename 192.168.1.2 up |
| 17:18.39 | george_15 | it works.. |
| 17:18.44 | sepski | ma3x, your ip space will only have a revers IF your isp requested that revers from the isp's regional registrar |
| 17:18.56 | anilomkar | can anyone tell me how to install Murrine GTK engine in Debian etch |
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| 17:20.18 | ma3x | stew: so for 89.82.249.82 nameservers are ns1.t-online.fr. dnsmaster.t-online.fr |
| 17:20.18 | bzed | ma3x: dig your.servers.ip.here.in-addr.arpa NS |
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| 17:20.31 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i got some real weird problem, it looks like my xfs filesystem is crashing, and it locks whole pc |
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| 17:20.36 | |DuReX| | http://users.telenet.be/dupondje/error.txt <- this is the error i get in syslog :s |
| 17:20.40 | bzed | ma3x: no |
| 17:20.43 | bzed | 82.249.82.in-addr.arpa. 3600 IN SOA ns0.proxad.net. hostmaster.proxad.net. 2006090601 21600 3600 1209600 86400 |
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| 17:21.24 | ma3x | bzed: you're wrong |
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| 17:21.29 | bzed | ma3x: you want to contact hostmaster@proxad.net if you want to have the reverse record changed |
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| 17:21.41 | bzed | ma3x: sure ? :P |
| 17:21.41 | sepski | ma3x, correct it's ns[1-4].t-online.fr |
| 17:21.43 | rodelrod | hi all. I have a question regarding the directory structure. In a debian server, where would I normally put the my custom scripts and applications (database maintenance, backups, report generation, those kinds of things). Would it be under /usr/local/? |
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| 17:22.20 | ma3x | dig 82.249.82.89.in-addr.arpa ns |
| 17:22.23 | ma3x | that's what you run |
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| 17:22.30 | sepski | bzed, your.servers.ip.here.in-addr.arpa NS you have to revers the ip ip you use them like that- eg 89.82.249.82 becomes 82.249.82.89.in-addr.arpa |
| 17:23.11 | EvilDin | how can i install tcl ? |
| 17:23.11 | chreekat | silly me.. I just need to try to remove it and see who complains |
| 17:23.11 | bzed | sepski: err, yes. sorry, I'm not awake |
| 17:23.16 | sepski | rodelrod, i do that in /usr/local/bin|sbin, depending on nature |
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| 17:23.33 | erchache | i have rsync error 255 |
| 17:23.42 | bzed | |DuReX|: is it your root fs? |
| 17:23.50 | erchache | i have debian etch update...how i can solve it? |
| 17:24.09 | erchache | i use ssh+rsync+rsnapshot to backup my servers |
| 17:24.35 | |DuReX| | bzed: nope |
| 17:24.51 | ma3x | sepski: why do you get ns1-4? I just get ns1.t-online.fr. dnsmaster.t-online.fr |
| 17:24.53 | rodelrod | sepski: ok, thanks |
| 17:25.05 | bzed | |DuReX|: are you using xfs on an evms volume? |
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| 17:25.50 | bzed | ma3x: anyway you'd ahve to contact dnsmaster@t-online.fr |
| 17:26.04 | |DuReX| | bzed: no, its just a raid where the xfs filesystem is on |
| 17:26.18 | |DuReX| | no software raid |
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| 17:26.48 | ma3x | bzed: ISP don't usually do custom reverse IP for free, do they? |
| 17:26.56 | ma3x | I was just wondering how this thing goes |
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| 17:27.08 | bzed | ma3x: well, good ISPs do. t-online - I doubt it |
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| 17:27.42 | bzed | ma3x: probably if you ahve some business contract |
| 17:28.21 | bzed | ma3x: for consumer adsl connections definitely not |
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| 17:28.54 | ma3x | bzed: what do you call good ones? |
| 17:29.07 | bzed | |DuReX|: well... xfs has a bugtracker somewhere on oss.sgi.com, probably you want to look for that problem in there |
| 17:29.48 | |DuReX| | bzed: u think its a xfs bug ? because Modules linked in: hptmv6(P) ? |
| 17:29.51 | stew | ma3x: they usually will if you have static ips |
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| 17:29.58 | bzed | |DuReX|: there's a switch to xfs_repair which makes sure it doesn;t modify anything, you could try that for sure (chances are good that you have to run xfs_repair after that crash anyway) |
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| 17:30.02 | |DuReX| | hptmv6 = driver for the raid where the xfs filesystem is on |
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| 17:30.37 | |DuReX| | bzed: i ran xfs_repair, but it still keeps crashing |
| 17:30.44 | ma3x | stew: in the beginning of my service, they changed my IP every time I connected. now they never change it since couple of months. I guess that means static now |
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| 17:31.06 | stew | ma3x: no, that doesn't mean static |
| 17:31.22 | bzed | |DuReX|: is that driver open source and in the kernel included? |
| 17:31.32 | ma3x | stew: then why don't they change it everytime I restart my connection |
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| 17:32.12 | |DuReX| | bzed: no, its a driver from highpoint, but they say its an open source driver |
| 17:32.16 | stew | ma3x: you'd have to ask them that, but if you are getting your address via dhcp, its almost definately not static |
| 17:32.25 | sepski | ma3x, i mean by 1-4 that you get 4 NS servers namely ns1. ns2. ns3. ns4. |
| 17:32.33 | stew | ma3x: that would be the D in DHCP |
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| 17:33.05 | bzed | ma3x: well - see: some ISPs have a good service, others not. The one I've told my father to use (just as an example) offers free NS entries even for the cheapest adsl lines. fixed IPs are default there, and ther service is 10000 times better than the german t-online |
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| 17:33.28 | freach | how do i rescan a partion table on a hdd without rebooting, I had it before and I it works on a live system, forgot the cmd |
| 17:33.47 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: is that Speakeasy perhaps? |
| 17:34.06 | icicled | freach, not sure, but if you have udev it should take care of it automagically (i think) |
| 17:34.22 | bzed | |DuReX|: well.. I think what you can do is to post the question in #storage on otfc.net - at least there're a lot of kernel guys hanging around, chances that they know something more are high |
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| 17:34.23 | stew | freach: "fdisk -l"? |
| 17:34.30 | bzed | GeorgeS069: manitu.de |
| 17:34.45 | stew | freach: what is making you think that it needs to be rescanned? |
| 17:34.48 | bzed | |DuReX|: I'm hanging aroudn there, too... ut to learn ;) |
| 17:34.51 | bzed | *but |
| 17:35.06 | GeorgeS069 | bzed: ok...totally different country :) sounds like Speakeasy though |
| 17:35.07 | freach | stew: cause it isn't shown in /dev |
| 17:35.13 | freach | the new partition |
| 17:35.30 | stew | freach: do you have udev installed? |
| 17:35.37 | |DuReX| | otfc.net ? can't connect to that :p |
| 17:35.38 | ma3x | stew: I have DHCP on my router/modem, but the router receives the same IP every time |
| 17:35.41 | freach | and I had it before I know there is a cmd to do a rescan on my sata hdd and there was the device |
| 17:35.44 | bzed | GeorgeS069: if you know german read their blog - hostblogger.de - it;s pretty much fun to read :) |
| 17:35.46 | ma3x | so thats gotta be static right? |
| 17:35.49 | stew | no |
| 17:35.49 | freach | stew: yes debian etch |
| 17:35.53 | ma3x | I mean why else would they assign you every time the same IP? |
| 17:36.03 | GeorgeS069 | bamzin: I can confirm now...my laptops soundcard is AC97 |
| 17:36.08 | |DuReX| | its oftc :) |
| 17:36.14 | bzed | |DuReX|: irc.oftc.net - sorry |
| 17:36.34 | stew | ma3x: that's what many dhcp server do by default (such as the dhcp package in debian) |
| 17:36.56 | stew | freach: try /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 17:37.22 | Ronin | ma3x: lease time, luck of the draw |
| 17:37.36 | freach | stew: it's is a very import system no time for experiments, and this wasn't the cmd i used in the past |
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| 17:37.51 | stew | freach: udevtrigger? |
| 17:38.18 | freach | stew: tried it already, but no new devices |
| 17:38.48 | freach | damn brain, i have to remember |
| 17:39.20 | stew | freach: how is the device attached? |
| 17:39.43 | freach | stew: ? |
| 17:39.51 | stew | freach: is it scsi? |
| 17:40.03 | ma3x | Ronin: what after the leas time ends? the connection's being restarted? |
| 17:40.07 | freach | stew: yes ... sata |
| 17:40.14 | stew | sbin/rescan-scsi-bus.sh? |
| 17:40.49 | freach | stew: hm no |
| 17:40.52 | freach | damn |
| 17:41.29 | enouf | freach: was it update-rc.d related? |
| 17:41.38 | freach | no |
| 17:41.45 | enouf | freach: lshal | grep block.device |
| 17:41.57 | enouf | do all the partitions showup ? |
| 17:42.00 | bzed | ma3x: no. chances are, that you get a new IP as soon as your dhcp-client requests one. to force the re-request, you connections is disconnected every 24 hoursa |
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| 17:43.14 | enouf | freach: you might want to view all the vairous udev<tab><tab> manpages .. there's something there about updating .. also the various update-<tab><tab> manpages .. I'm not sure I even understand what you want |
| 17:43.20 | ma3x | bzed: but my connection is not disconnected every 24 hours. and every time I turn on/off the router I get the same IP |
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| 17:43.56 | stew | ma3x: becuase your mac address is cached. try getting a new lease with a different mac address |
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| 17:44.18 | Ronin | ma3x: same here, ive had the same dynamic ip for about 6 months or more |
| 17:44.34 | stew | ma3x: but don't take our word for it, ask your isp. i'm sure they'll confirm what we are telling you |
| 17:44.34 | dserban_ | What exactly constitutes a login shell to bash? ie. if I fire up gnome-terminal, is that a login shell? or is it purely based on the fact that I need to login? via /bin/login ? |
| 17:44.47 | freach | enouf: I created 2 new partitions on a device wich already got mounted partitions, and I can't reboot oder unmount the device, and my new partitions are not in /dev, so I have to execute a command which can rescan my partition table and creates my new devices in dev e.g. /dev/sdb16 /dev/sdb17 |
| 17:44.49 | enouf | freach: maybe udevtest /dev/path perhaps .. |
| 17:45.22 | GeorgeS069 | what do you guys need to see to troubleshoot thise wireless problem I have? I can "authenticate" but I get an "association failed" |
| 17:45.45 | freach | I already got this cmd but can't remember |
| 17:45.46 | enouf | freach: this is etch? then all lshal and udev probing commands should work .. do you want to create the /dev with MAKEDEV ? |
| 17:45.50 | freach | yes |
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| 17:48.02 | etchjster | any help with this X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 17:48.14 | rahul | etchjster: your program barfed. |
| 17:48.15 | enouf | freach: I think udev usually creates within a node in a tmpfs at first (perhaps /dev/.static/dev related).. using that setaside 10MB or so of /dev/shm or is that for POSIX only .. I've greped the startup scripts before, and seen something related to what I'm saying though I'm off I'm sure.. |
| 17:48.30 | rahul | etchjster: either the X server barfed at it, or it's buggy |
| 17:48.31 | stoned | I have install lm sensors, ran the detect program, modified modules file, modprobed the listed/detected modules. sensors keeps telling me I don't all the modules needed. No sensor info is displayed. |
| 17:48.36 | JordiGH | etchjster: Are you using the nvidia blob? It gave me those problems once when running with Xinerama. |
| 17:48.37 | stoned | can anyone help me troubleshoot |
| 17:48.44 | etchjster | nope |
| 17:48.46 | stoned | I have the GA 965P S3 gigabyte motherboard |
| 17:49.17 | enouf | don't SCSI devices havce a 15-16 partition limit? |
| 17:49.56 | rahul | enouf: no |
| 17:50.05 | rahul | enouf: no devices have any partition limit. |
| 17:50.33 | rahul | enouf: IBM PC disklabels, however, do have a 15-16 partition limit. |
| 17:50.39 | enouf | Yep "except that the limit on 282 partitions is 15" |
| 17:50.47 | enouf | oh .. |
| 17:51.21 | rahul | use a BSD or Sun disklabel or something. |
| 17:51.39 | rahul | wow. mtimes for files store the time zone? |
| 17:51.47 | JordiGH | Dangit, doesn't Emacs have a web browser? What kind of crappy editor is this? |
| 17:51.58 | rahul | oh, it figures out if DST was in effect at tht time |
| 17:51.58 | stoned | ok |
| 17:52.05 | rahul | JordiGH: it has many web browsers |
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| 17:52.06 | stoned | I just discovered that lm sensors doesn't support the new chipsets |
| 17:52.18 | stoned | what other software can I use to monitor temps/system health etc. |
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| 17:52.36 | rahul | JordiGH: it can delegate to w3m or there's w3 for native elisp. those are the most common solutions. |
| 17:52.38 | JordiGH | rahul: I'm looking for the Debian package... |
| 17:52.52 | black_13 | isnt startx just a script that calls xinit? |
| 17:53.04 | rahul | black_13: more than just a script. and more than just xinit. |
| 17:53.08 | JordiGH | rahul: Found it. Thanks. |
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| 17:53.28 | black_13 | rahul, xinit $client $clientargs -- $server $display $serverargs ? |
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| 17:53.39 | rahul | stoned: acpi has a temperature sensing thing. |
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| 17:53.53 | rahul | black_13: Xsession, etc. |
| 17:53.54 | amphi | stoned: acpi -t perhaps |
| 17:54.22 | stoned | No support for device type: thermal |
| 17:54.29 | bragon | hello i have many issue with debian SID AMD64 with fontconfig and tt-opensymbol |
| 17:54.36 | bragon | could i have some help ? |
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| 17:54.41 | black_13 | rahul, i am working on a live cd and i want oreride the settings in xorg.conf |
| 17:54.44 | amphi | stoned: modprobe thermal? |
| 17:54.49 | stoned | oh |
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| 17:54.51 | stoned | its a module |
| 17:54.54 | zepeuga | i've probed texas card reader modules, and after inserting it shows in dmesg "tifm_7xx1: xd card detected in socket 0 |
| 17:54.59 | rahul | black_13: good luck |
| 17:55.03 | zepeuga | i've probed texas card reader modules, and after inserting it shows in dmesg "tifm_7xx1: xd card detected in socket 0 |
| 17:55.12 | zepeuga | " but i don't know where is the device to mount it! |
| 17:55.19 | stoned | amphi: same message |
| 17:55.27 | black_13 | rahul no no i have things working about 95 percent |
| 17:55.34 | amphi | stoned: bummer |
| 17:55.57 | stoned | ihpma! |
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| 17:56.21 | bragon | hello i have many issue with debian SID AMD64 with fontconfig and ttf-opensymbol |
| 17:56.22 | black_13 | rahul, i have xorg working but i just want resolution to initially set to 800x600 |
| 17:56.30 | stoned | !dma |
| 17:56.30 | dpkg | somebody said dma was (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn on dma, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda. to make it permanent, edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 17:56.32 | bragon | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?p=35155&sid=cc80d906e5fe7f5719882b96f772c26f |
| 17:56.35 | bragon | like here |
| 17:56.44 | bragon | but i don't managed to fix the issue |
| 17:56.52 | bragon | anyone to help me ? |
| 17:57.27 | jair | I am having an issue with a RHEL4 that I configure with a partition using Ext3 FS, like this "/" 32GB and |
| 17:57.33 | jair | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:57.36 | enouf | freach: all I can think of is "sdparm" and perhaps inquiry, or enumerate options .. d/l the "lsscsi" pkg now to look into that .. maybe it's a parted/gparted command you want? |
| 17:57.37 | jair | hahaha |
| 17:57.42 | jair | sorry debian |
| 17:58.00 | jair | well I think it should not matter right? |
| 17:58.39 | jair | well the thing is that when the machine boots,I want to make "home" and "opt" be mounted in a SAN disk and when the machine boot I get an error, so I |
| 17:58.42 | jair | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:58.45 | freach | enouf: I don't got any sd* installed so it was something different |
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| 17:59.35 | enouf | freach: I see .. does lshal | grep block.device list your partitions? .. that scans the /sys dir |
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| 17:59.49 | freach | enouf: don't got lshal |
| 18:00.11 | freach | enouf: but the partitions are created fdisk -l do show them |
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| 18:00.17 | zepeuga | anyone ? |
| 18:00.28 | enouf | freach: then I'd say you're not using etch .. but I could be mistaken, as one can install "only what they want" |
| 18:00.48 | freach | enouf: believe me I use etch :) |
| 18:00.56 | enouf | freach: you are aware of sfdisk and cfdisk as well ? |
| 18:01.21 | enouf | freach: ok .. got any DE installed? |
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| 18:01.55 | freach | no i used cfdisk to create my partitions, and sfdisk -R don't seem to run with mounted partitions on the target device |
| 18:02.00 | fulhack | heya, can I check which package provides a specific file? |
| 18:02.07 | asg | fulhack: /msg dpkg search |
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| 18:02.11 | stew | fulhack: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 18:02.12 | medc | hello |
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| 18:02.40 | enouf | freach: man lsscsi .. or maybe you want one of the mkfs.* binaries to be able to "see" the partitions? |
| 18:02.41 | medc | i have a fresh install of deabian etch.....but i got have firefox....instead i have ICEWEASEL! :S |
| 18:03.08 | fulhack | Brilliant. Thank you. |
| 18:03.08 | medc | anyone? |
| 18:03.08 | medc | and when i promp firefox in alt+f2 its open iceweasel |
| 18:03.11 | asg | medc: debian renamed firefox to iceweasel |
| 18:03.12 | JordiGH | medc: Iceweasel is Firefox. |
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| 18:03.22 | JordiGH | !tell medc about iceweasel |
| 18:03.23 | medc | wtf |
| 18:03.24 | medc | when? |
| 18:03.29 | asg | medc: some months ago |
| 18:03.30 | JordiGH | medc: December, I think. |
| 18:03.48 | rahul | medc: when the mozilla project asked debian to change it |
| 18:04.04 | JordiGH | medc: It's really not a big deal. The name changed, but it works the same as the fiery furball. |
| 18:04.08 | medc | wow! it surprise me :S |
| 18:04.09 | zepeuga | i've probed texas card reader modules, and after inserting it shows in dmesg "tifm_7xx1: xd card detected in socket 0 |
| 18:04.11 | zepeuga | " but i don't know where is the device to mount it! |
| 18:04.18 | ma3x | stew: my IP is lame! they might be good in germany, but in france if you email them they will tell you to call them to clarify the problem. and if I call them, I have to pay 3 EURO per minute. its crazy |
| 18:04.21 | medc | lol |
| 18:04.25 | enouf | freach: other tools are dumpe2fs, e2label, etc you don;t mention what FS you want .. mknod, but for dev it's /sbin/MAKEDEV <type> <major> <minor .. IIRC> |
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| 18:04.47 | medc | where can i edit my grub? |
| 18:04.58 | enouf | ok .. out of ideas :-) |
| 18:04.59 | stoned | medc: OS entries? |
| 18:05.00 | asg | medc: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:05.05 | stoned | asg! |
| 18:05.11 | asg | stoned! |
| 18:05.14 | stoned | whats up man |
| 18:05.20 | stoned | have not seen you in a while |
| 18:05.26 | stoned | !asg |
| 18:05.26 | dpkg | asg is, like, asg, or ask me about <pubtime> |
| 18:05.26 | asg | stoned: been busy. I'm sick today |
| 18:05.44 | stoned | I'm fiddling around in hydrogen |
| 18:05.47 | stoned | you ever used it? |
| 18:05.48 | medc | and a way to install windows (not for me is for autocad) :( |
| 18:05.55 | rahul | I'm fiddling around in nitrogen |
| 18:06.00 | asg | stoned: nope |
| 18:06.05 | stoned | it is wicked |
| 18:06.19 | freach | enouf: thanks but it was a simple command to execute and everything was fine, and it was that kind of tool, where you're thinking strange name, what this thing is for |
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| 18:06.28 | stoned | only thing I am waiting on now is multiple tempo sequences |
| 18:06.32 | asg | stoned: argh! Drum-solo in a box ... bane of guitarists everywhere :) |
| 18:06.39 | rahul | haha |
| 18:06.40 | stoned | right now the whole song can only do a fucking single tempo |
| 18:07.03 | stoned | asg: when you know how to play the drums its not hard to make beats |
| 18:07.08 | stoned | its all timing |
| 18:07.14 | GeorgeS069 | Is there a way to test my wireless connection without losing my wired connection? |
| 18:07.15 | stoned | you gotta know your meters |
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| 18:07.34 | asg | stoned: yeah, I'm defective in the tempo arena |
| 18:08.11 | stoned | asg: hydrogen promises to be able to do that. each pattern can have its own tempo. Thats what I am waitin on |
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| 18:08.38 | rahul | what, you can't use pentuplets and sextuplets to fake tempo changes? :P |
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| 18:08.46 | stew | stoned: you can lay out the beat in hydrogen then import it into rosegarden and handle the tempo chanes ther |
| 18:09.02 | stoned | stew: rosegarden eh |
| 18:09.03 | stoned | hmm |
| 18:09.18 | enouf | freach: these are not md disks .. like /dev/mapper/ or RAID or LVM, or anthing special like that? |
| 18:09.31 | black_13 | rahul, i can use the "-screen" option to set screen section |
| 18:09.41 | stoned | rahul: yes I can.. but it is a lot more work.. and its not distinguishable |
| 18:09.41 | freach | no simple partitions created on a sata hdd |
| 18:09.46 | rahul | black_13: you can choose one, yes |
| 18:09.53 | rahul | stoned: wimp |
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| 18:10.03 | fulhack | Hm, I'm missing /usr/lib/ldap/back_bdb.la, any ideas on what I can do to get it? |
| 18:10.10 | black_13 | rahul, you dont sound so thrilled |
| 18:10.13 | enouf | ahh .. yet LVM will use things like vgstat, vgcreate, etc |
| 18:10.24 | rahul | black_13: you can't change what's already in a screen section with that |
| 18:10.47 | enouf | waves.. |
| 18:10.58 | stoned | rahul: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Beats/Untitled Song.h2song |
| 18:11.20 | stoned | rahul: thats the closest I've come to multiple tempos but it seems just the same |
| 18:11.24 | rahul | wtf |
| 18:11.30 | bzed | fulhack: sounds like you need libldap2-dev |
| 18:11.32 | stoned | its the same tempo, only with a diff time signature |
| 18:11.33 | enouf | thinks telinit 1 wou;d've done wonders .. lol |
| 18:11.36 | stoned | equal beat division |
| 18:11.42 | stoned | it just doesn't work |
| 18:11.44 | rahul | stoned: it would take me weeks to read that thing |
| 18:11.47 | stoned | trust me |
| 18:11.55 | stoned | rahul: apt-get install hydrogen |
| 18:12.02 | stoned | open it and play it |
| 18:12.06 | rahul | most of that file is empty tags. |
| 18:12.12 | stoned | is it? |
| 18:12.13 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:12.16 | stoned | works here |
| 18:12.16 | rahul | wtf. |
| 18:12.19 | rahul | over and over again |
| 18:12.23 | stoned | maybe it got corrupted |
| 18:12.26 | black_13 | rahul that is you can only use what is there? |
| 18:12.30 | rahul | no, it's probably just placeholders |
| 18:12.41 | rahul | black_13: right. you can choose, but you can't change. |
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| 18:12.54 | stoned | rahul: but it will play in hydrogen |
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| 18:13.00 | rahul | the file output was written by a tool. |
| 18:13.01 | stoned | listen to it, you'll see what I mean |
| 18:13.07 | black_13 | rahul is there a way to change? |
| 18:13.08 | stoned | you're a tool! |
| 18:13.10 | rahul | heh |
| 18:13.12 | stoned | oh wati |
| 18:13.12 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:13.18 | fulhack | bzed, Nope, that didn't do it. I already had that package (purged it and reinstalled to be sure). |
| 18:13.19 | medc | asg, dude sorry for the annotying....but i did netinstall from a server from venezuela....and the conecction rate..sucks hard......which server can i use o replace to |
| 18:13.29 | lanjoe9 | hello everyone. I wanted to know if anyone here was in charge of streaming video in debconf6, as I am trying to do streaming for CONSOL - Free Software National Congress in MX, and I'm having quite a lot of trouble getting everything to work. Could someone help me please? :) |
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| 18:13.44 | rahul | black_13: you need to change the file |
| 18:13.57 | fulhack | bzed, I have had that file before, but I must have managed to uninstall it! |
| 18:14.06 | eldowan | what is the correct method of installing a TTF in etch? |
| 18:14.09 | bzed | fulhack: hmm no, that file is not in debian |
| 18:14.11 | rahul | stoned: oh, it's written in C++. that explains the bloat |
| 18:14.21 | asg | medc: try using 'ftp.XY.debian.org' (replace XY with the country code of somewhere close, like 'us' for people in the US) |
| 18:14.43 | eldowan | stoned: |
| 18:14.50 | stoned | hi |
| 18:14.52 | fulhack | bzed, I'm actually running ubuntu.. ahem.. I'm not getting very much response in their channel, though. |
| 18:14.52 | black_13 | rahul but xorg.conf have set of resolutions that a color depth at X by Y and so forth? |
| 18:14.58 | eldowan | stoned: why are you still in OK? |
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| 18:15.00 | SDBolts21 | hi, any one good with Windows (NTFS) file permissions? I came from that world, I do see the power of linux file permission as to windows? Am I wrong? |
| 18:15.05 | rahul | black_13: you can't selectively disable those |
| 18:15.05 | stoned | rahul: http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Beats/US2.wav |
| 18:15.10 | stoned | i exported it check it |
| 18:15.14 | stoned | rahul: you play drums? |
| 18:15.18 | rahul | black_13: either choose a full screen config or not |
| 18:15.28 | rahul | stoned: as much as I play guitar :P |
| 18:15.31 | stoned | eldowan: 1 week extention |
| 18:15.37 | eldowan | stoned: aah. |
| 18:15.40 | stoned | rahul: and how much do you play |
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| 18:15.44 | rahul | heh. none. |
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| 18:16.09 | medc | ok |
| 18:16.09 | rahul | I know lots of really good drummers, tho :P |
| 18:16.10 | asg | stoned: playing Guitar Hero I doesn't count though |
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| 18:16.18 | rahul | haha |
| 18:16.22 | stoned | did you listen to the wav |
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| 18:16.27 | stoned | http://stoned.is.dreaming.org/Beats/US2.wav |
| 18:16.27 | rahul | downloading it |
| 18:16.33 | stoned | notice the last few bars |
| 18:16.37 | stoned | I had to use a bit of faking |
| 18:16.54 | stoned | count the beats, meter sig changes but tempo still sounds the same |
| 18:16.58 | stoned | its the same bpm/speed |
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| 18:17.09 | black_13 | rahul what happens if you have a very low screen resolution set and you an application (SDL based game) try to set the resoltion to higher value |
| 18:17.17 | stoned | I will try the rosegarden too abrotman said about it |
| 18:17.20 | rahul | stoned: yeah, that's easier than a tempo change :) |
| 18:17.22 | stoned | and stew too |
| 18:17.28 | abrotman | stoned: i told you weeks ago! |
| 18:17.37 | mastroDani | uh.. i fear to be off topic.. but i have a problem formatting a partition of my hard drive with dm-crypt + lucks. watch here for details http://pastebin.ca/352214 |
| 18:17.38 | stoned | i know |
| 18:17.40 | rahul | black_13: it probably fails |
| 18:17.42 | stew | i need to do some work on it |
| 18:17.46 | stew | but i'm lazy |
| 18:17.51 | stoned | you're the maintainer? |
| 18:17.52 | lanjoe9 | black_13: I think the video call fails and the video mode stays the same as before |
| 18:17.57 | stew | stoned: one of two |
| 18:18.01 | stoned | word homie |
| 18:18.50 | bzed | mastroDani: /def/sda4 <<< it'a /dev |
| 18:19.00 | stoned | rahul: what do you think of the beat |
| 18:19.04 | stoned | rahul: I love it |
| 18:19.08 | stoned | rahul: phat beat |
| 18:19.08 | rahul | it's good |
| 18:19.10 | rahul | yeah |
| 18:19.16 | rahul | nice and complex |
| 18:19.28 | lanjoe9 | g2g |
| 18:19.36 | rahul | you'll need to find a good drummer if you want real drums, tho :P |
| 18:19.55 | mastroDani | bzed, i used /dev that was a misspelling |
| 18:20.06 | stoned | rahul: or buy a drum kit |
| 18:20.07 | SDBolts21 | hi, any one good with Windows (NTFS) file permissions? I came from that world, I do see the power of linux file permission as to windows? Am I wrong? |
| 18:20.09 | rahul | no hiring a high-school punk drummer for you |
| 18:20.23 | stoned | fuck punk |
| 18:20.25 | rahul | stoned: planning on doing live performances? |
| 18:20.26 | bzed | mastroDani: This will overwrite data on /def/sda4 irrevocably. << are you sure that you've typed the same mistake over and over? |
| 18:20.26 | rahul | heh |
| 18:20.33 | stoned | punk is the most simple basic retarded form of music imo |
| 18:20.36 | abrotman | SDBolts21: huh ? |
| 18:20.38 | rahul | yeah |
| 18:20.38 | mastroDani | bzed, lol.. you are right |
| 18:20.47 | abrotman | try #music |
| 18:20.48 | mastroDani | bzed, what a stupid error |
| 18:20.48 | stoned | rahul: you got hydrogen? |
| 18:20.54 | rahul | stoned: just uninstalled it :P |
| 18:20.59 | stoned | hah |
| 18:21.08 | mastroDani | lol |
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| 18:21.14 | mastroDani | lmao |
| 18:21.27 | abrotman | SDBolts21: what is your question ? |
| 18:21.33 | black_13 | lanjoe9 well i well find out there isnt a way to swithc resoltions then? |
| 18:21.34 | mastroDani | bzed, thanks very much |
| 18:21.50 | mastroDani | was so stupid that i think i wouldn't find it so easy |
| 18:21.57 | bzed | np |
| 18:22.06 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, In ntfs file permissions you can setup different groups to have diff. access. Can you do that with linux file permissions? |
| 18:22.21 | abrotman | SDBolts21: yes ... |
| 18:22.24 | mastroDani | bzed, what happen if i issue the command: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/sda4 |
| 18:22.27 | abrotman | !acl |
| 18:22.27 | dpkg | hmm... acl is Access Control List or http://acl.bestbits.at/ or http://www.informatik.uni-bremen.de/~agbs/live/acl_eng.html |
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| 18:22.44 | mastroDani | bzed, i would expect this feel that partition with random data, isn't it? |
| 18:23.05 | mastroDani | that and only that partition |
| 18:23.20 | medc | why emu do u recomend to mount win over linux? |
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| 18:23.31 | bzed | mastroDani: well you'll wait sooooome tiem and then you'll have all data destroyed on that partition. and ye,s you'll have random data on it. if you wanna be paranoid, do it with /dev/zero again after than and then another /dev/urandom run ;) |
| 18:23.46 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, that is addition software? Does linux do this nativaly? |
| 18:23.55 | bzed | medc: vmware, parallels or qemu |
| 18:24.22 | bzed | SDBolts21: lol sure it does. |
| 18:24.30 | jZed | I did a apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist-upgrade from etch 2.6.8.1, lots of stuff downloaded and installed, but uname -a still shows 2.6.8.1, is that the way it is supposed to be? |
| 18:24.32 | mastroDani | bzed, not that paranoid.. it's about 1 hour that it's going on with this random feeling.... (30 GB) |
| 18:24.39 | mastroDani | i hope it last not too long |
| 18:24.52 | mastroDani | what happen if i stop it? (CTRL+C) |
| 18:24.59 | Zta | I want to be able to insert a CF card into my box, and Debian should automatically mount it, move the files from the CF to a dir on the hd, unmount to card afterwards, and display a message in the LCD. How do I do this? automount and a hotplug even script? |
| 18:25.00 | stew | jZed: 2.6.8.1 would be a custom kernel, not a debian kernel, so apt-get would not upgrade your kernel |
| 18:25.05 | abrotman | !permissions |
| 18:25.06 | dpkg | For more information on permissions, read info coreutils 'File Permissions' and http://wooledge.org/mywiki/Permissions or http://www.comptechdoc.org/os/linux/usersguide/linux_ugfilesp.html - for even further info see these http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unix_permission and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chmod, or follow the setuid and setgid links found in the wikipedia pages |
| 18:25.09 | abrotman | SDBolts21: ^^ |
| 18:25.09 | bzed|afk | mastroDani: try bs=1024 as addidional param... btw, there're tools to safely destroy data on partitions, they're probably way faster than dd |
| 18:25.14 | stew | Zta: what version of debian? |
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| 18:25.24 | SDBolts21 | bzed, how can you set 5 different groups with different permisson to a file? |
| 18:25.29 | jZed | a custom kernel??? but I just installed from debian |
| 18:25.40 | mastroDani | bzed|afk, tnx |
| 18:25.44 | Zta | stew, Ubuntu server 6.10 actually. But I just need to know the basics =) |
| 18:25.51 | mastroDani | SDBolts21, i could be wrong.. but i don't think you can |
| 18:25.53 | stew | jZed: yes. 2.6.8.1 is not a debian compiled kernel, or else it would end with -1 or -2 |
| 18:25.56 | stew | or -3 |
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| 18:26.04 | stew | Zta: ask #ubuntu |
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| 18:26.12 | wtheck | Hello folks |
| 18:26.17 | wtheck | I'm new to debian |
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| 18:26.19 | MsgToThePpl | hi, there's a need for a special video card to use gnome 3d desktop ? |
| 18:26.26 | Zta | stew, tell me how I should do it in Debian Etch, please. |
| 18:26.27 | SDBolts21 | mastroDani, that is why i am asking. |
| 18:26.30 | rahul | what's gnome 3d desktop? |
| 18:26.34 | jZed | er 2.6.8.1-386 |
| 18:26.42 | stew | jZed: yeah, that's a custom kernel |
| 18:26.53 | mastroDani | bzed|afk, thank you very much... |
| 18:26.55 | mastroDani | :D |
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| 18:26.59 | stew | Zta: with gnome-volumne-manger or ivman |
| 18:26.59 | wtheck | Is debian targetting some specific area of linux, or is it just a general distro which improves on itself as time goes by |
| 18:27.00 | jZed | but I neve installed any custom kernel, are you telling me I am fubared, and can't upgrade? |
| 18:27.06 | jahu | anyone has an idea why debian sid's apache2 package has broekn deps at the moment ? |
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| 18:27.18 | Ny-Ty | # Debian call center -ONLINE- |
| 18:27.19 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 18:27.22 | wtheck | I'v worked with RH and fbsd before and am now want to play with debian |
| 18:27.22 | abrotman | MsgToThePpl: no |
| 18:27.26 | stew | jZed: either you are misreporting the output of "uname -r" or someone installed a custom kenrel on there |
| 18:27.35 | Ny-Ty | hey all |
| 18:27.45 | abrotman | wtheck: general |
| 18:27.48 | Zta | stew, The gnome-thing sounds too GUI-ish, and the box has no X. I'll take a look at ivman. |
| 18:27.51 | jZed | 2.6.8.1-386 |
| 18:28.05 | stew | jZed: 2.6.8-1-386? |
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| 18:28.18 | jZed | that is what uname -a reports |
| 18:28.24 | bzed|afk | SDBolts21: setfacl is your friend. or just create some different groups and put the user into them. |
| 18:28.24 | stew | no it isn't |
| 18:28.32 | Zta | iwman looks like what I need. |
| 18:28.35 | wtheck | I'v heard alot about apg-get and its auto-update and auto-dependency-fullfillment |
| 18:28.38 | bzed|afk | well, I'm finally away now |
| 18:28.41 | wtheck | Is it comparable to fbsd's ports |
| 18:28.53 | stew | jZed: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 18:28.57 | wtheck | in the concept of updates |
| 18:29.06 | rahul | wtheck: not really. it's more powerful, in many respects. |
| 18:29.07 | Ny-Ty | anyoe with experiences about OpenVPN ? |
| 18:29.12 | jZed | I upgrade from sarge to etch months ago |
| 18:29.13 | Ny-Ty | i need to help wit it |
| 18:29.14 | wtheck | hmm.. |
| 18:29.19 | rahul | wtheck: you get updates, yes |
| 18:29.21 | stew | Ny-Ty: lots of poeple, just ask your real question |
| 18:29.28 | Ny-Ty | in some forums it`s problem with windows connection |
| 18:29.36 | jZed | I am using grub, is it possible it is giving me the wrong linux? |
| 18:29.44 | Ny-Ty | i want to do a VPN authentification system for school internet |
| 18:29.47 | wtheck | On RH I usually update the OS, when I know the newer versions of packages/programs have started using update libraries that I will no longer be able to get through yum or updates |
| 18:29.52 | Ny-Ty | and there are ms |
| 18:29.55 | abrotman | !tell wtheck about why debian |
| 18:29.58 | Ny-Ty | anyoe know this problems ? |
| 18:29.59 | abrotman | !tell wtheck about meaning of stable |
| 18:30.46 | stew | jZed: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 18:31.01 | GeorgeS069 | is dhcp port 67 or 68 by default? |
| 18:31.13 | etchjster | im upgrading to sid right now |
| 18:31.18 | etchjster | im so scared |
| 18:31.18 | medc | bzed|afk, but which is less troublesome |
| 18:31.29 | stew | etchjster: why are you "upgrading" |
| 18:31.31 | asg | etchjster: then don't |
| 18:31.47 | etchjster | because im bored |
| 18:31.50 | wtheck | damn .. more reading |
| 18:31.55 | Ny-Ty | DHCP port ? |
| 18:31.56 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 18:31.56 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 18:31.59 | etchjster | and if i dont then i cant say i did |
| 18:32.01 | Ny-Ty | dhcp does not using port |
| 18:32.04 | Ny-Ty | dhcp use arp |
| 18:32.06 | stew | wtheck: if you want more reading, read the apt-howto and/or the debian reference |
| 18:32.07 | Daveman | :p |
| 18:32.13 | Ny-Ty | it`s other protocol |
| 18:32.14 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, I have just got done reading most of those links about linux permissions before I asked my question here. I still don't see if you had 5 different groups needing different permissions? how would you set that? |
| 18:32.19 | stew | Ny-Ty: no, dhcp uses port 67 |
| 18:32.23 | Ny-Ty | hmmmm |
| 18:32.25 | Ny-Ty | sure ? |
| 18:32.27 | Ny-Ty | aha |
| 18:32.28 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 18:32.29 | Ny-Ty | okay |
| 18:32.33 | stew | 255.255.255.255:67 |
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| 18:32.36 | etchjster | im making a MOVE from etch to sid |
| 18:32.38 | Ny-Ty | i just kidding with arpwatch :D |
| 18:32.53 | rahul | /etc/protocols, ffs |
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| 18:33.11 | Ny-Ty | yep yep |
| 18:33.14 | Ny-Ty | my mistake |
| 18:33.16 | rahul | wtf, it's not in there. |
| 18:33.21 | stew | dhcp runs on ip |
| 18:33.25 | Ny-Ty | no |
| 18:33.26 | stew | tcp/ip |
| 18:33.27 | Ny-Ty | on broadcast |
| 18:33.27 | SDBolts21 | bzed|afk, setfacl is not fond |
| 18:33.33 | rahul | oops, wrong file |
| 18:33.35 | Ny-Ty | but it`s ip too |
| 18:33.38 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 18:33.40 | stew | Ny-Ty: broadcast is tcp/ip |
| 18:34.05 | Ny-Ty | sure i have problem with openvpn and windows users |
| 18:34.07 | rahul | broadcast can't be TCP |
| 18:34.14 | Ny-Ty | you know some wifi auth systems |
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| 18:34.15 | rahul | it's UDP/IP |
| 18:34.16 | etchjster | and if it wasent for all us idiot newbies using etch or sid what would all you smart people be doing? |
| 18:34.25 | Ny-Ty | web login, radius, vpn, tkip, wep, wpa :-) |
| 18:34.27 | stew | rahul: right |
| 18:34.29 | Ny-Ty | i want to choose vpn |
| 18:34.43 | Ny-Ty | but it`s problem with windows users |
| 18:34.49 | abrotman | !enter |
| 18:34.49 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 18:34.51 | rahul | it can choose tcp later, for keeping in touch with a specific dhcp server |
| 18:34.59 | abrotman | SDBolts21: permissions on what ? |
| 18:35.01 | wtheck | You'v just added a pile of stuff onto my already getting bigger reading list .. damn |
| 18:35.10 | wtheck | That'll keep me busy |
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| 18:35.39 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, just any file or directory. |
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| 18:36.05 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, am i clear on my question? |
| 18:36.10 | abrotman | SDBolts21: there are a few ways to do that .. you could put all those groups in another group .. or use ACLs |
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| 18:36.11 | etchjster | forsure gonna need a compile after this only 6gb hd |
| 18:36.28 | wtheck | abrotman: Thankyou1 |
| 18:36.30 | wtheck | ! |
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| 18:36.47 | stoned | you know |
| 18:36.53 | stoned | in my font that kinda looks like a foot |
| 18:37.01 | stoned | just like sarah jessica parker |
| 18:37.07 | stoned | her face looks like a foot |
| 18:37.09 | stoned | ! |
| 18:37.14 | stoned | print |
| 18:37.16 | abrotman | are you always on drugs ? |
| 18:37.21 | rahul | heh |
| 18:37.25 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:37.30 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, but if you put all the groups into one other group, all these groups would have the same permissions, right? |
| 18:37.31 | rahul | well, he's always stoned. never seen him change his nick |
| 18:37.52 | rahul | pretty conclusive evidence there. |
| 18:37.52 | stew | he was drunk then strunk the other night |
| 18:37.52 | jZed | I tried what dpkg told me to upgrad etch, I get ... linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 18:37.52 | stoned | abrotman: I don't do drugs. |
| 18:38.02 | stoned | stew: and you almost took the piss |
| 18:38.11 | stoned | I wasn't expecting him to mess with my head |
| 18:38.13 | stoned | hahaha |
| 18:38.39 | stoned | s/him/you |
| 18:38.44 | stew | stoned: can you help me setup my nvidia card on vmware so i can get beryl working? |
| 18:38.52 | xand | abrotman: what are you still doing here? |
| 18:38.55 | stoned | stew: ye sure |
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| 18:39.07 | abrotman | SDBolts21: to that directory yes |
| 18:39.17 | abrotman | xand: watching my IQ drop ... |
| 18:39.36 | stoned | stew: once you figure out how to make vmware recognize the actual hardware sure i'll help |
| 18:39.46 | xand | :) |
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| 18:39.57 | etchjster | my .xsession-errors is clean under gnome with kde its all jacked up |
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| 18:40.11 | Vibragreen | is the debian installer now completely finished? |
| 18:40.15 | etchjster | anyone else expierience that? |
| 18:40.19 | stoned | its never finished |
| 18:40.21 | stew | Vibragreen: no |
| 18:40.25 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, well that is what i am saying tho, if all groups need different permissions, how can that be done? |
| 18:40.26 | Vibragreen | damn |
| 18:40.35 | abrotman | SDBolts21: ACLs |
| 18:40.40 | stew | Vibragreen: why do you ask? |
| 18:40.41 | Vibragreen | will it be available in the next release? |
| 18:40.53 | abrotman | yes |
| 18:40.57 | stew | Vibragreen: yes, its the biggest thing holding up the release |
| 18:41.06 | stoned | I bet its the damn gui |
| 18:41.06 | Vibragreen | ohh I see |
| 18:41.10 | Vibragreen | when is it due? |
| 18:41.10 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, is ACLs in linux by default? |
| 18:41.15 | stew | Vibragreen: its not |
| 18:41.22 | stoned | haha |
| 18:41.32 | etchjster | 92% |
| 18:41.34 | stew | Vibragreen: debian doesn't give itself due dates, it just releases the software when it is actually ready |
| 18:41.50 | Vibragreen | ohhh |
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| 18:41.53 | stew | Vibragreen: or depending on how you look at it, it is 1.5 months overdue |
| 18:42.06 | etchjster | im 92% closer to not having a pc with a working os. |
| 18:42.09 | stew | Vibragreen: its usuable in its current form if you use a daily build |
| 18:42.28 | stoned | etchjster: life sucks |
| 18:42.32 | b0xt | anyone around done a recent debian installation on a desktop with an nvidia 6600 card? |
| 18:42.54 | etchjster | im purge removing working kernel image before rebooting |
| 18:42.58 | stoned | b0xt: configure nvidia later, just install debian for now |
| 18:43.03 | stoned | b0xt: /msg dpkg nvidia |
| 18:43.07 | stew | etchjster: why? |
| 18:43.12 | stew | etchjster: why would you do that? |
| 18:43.17 | stoned | thats dangerous |
| 18:43.17 | etchjster | lmao |
| 18:43.23 | stoned | render your system unbootable |
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| 18:43.27 | stoned | if you have no kernels |
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| 18:43.53 | stoned | I always keep a spare 386 kernel around just for safety |
| 18:44.08 | medc | which graphics drivers works good on etch |
| 18:44.09 | etchjster | im not going to do that |
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| 18:44.17 | stew | medc: vesa |
| 18:44.19 | medc | i have a nvidia 256Mb 6600 |
| 18:44.25 | medc | LE |
| 18:44.28 | stoned | medc: you wnat 3d accel? |
| 18:44.32 | stoned | medc: use nvidia |
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| 18:44.40 | jZed | I tried what dpkg told me to upgrade etch, I get ... linux-image-2.6-686: Depends: linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 |
| 18:44.43 | medc | but from webpage or apt-get? |
| 18:44.49 | stoned | !nvidia |
| 18:44.49 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 18:44.50 | b0xt | did you have any issues medc? |
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| 18:45.08 | b0xt | thanks for the link! |
| 18:45.21 | stoned | b0xt: I told you to do this a while ago |
| 18:45.33 | fantomas | Hi. Stupid question here. Just tired of playing with zip - it doesn't do what I want. How to zip a directory with all its file and subdirectories WITHOUT directory itself? |
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| 18:46.15 | Vibragreen | hey knoppix is debian based so I was wondering how do you change the screen resolution in knoppix |
| 18:46.20 | medc | b0xt, nop but i am going to download the headers |
| 18:46.21 | jZed | fantomas - cd into the directory and gzip * |
| 18:46.25 | xand | Vibragreen: by asking in #knoppix |
| 18:46.31 | xand | !knoppix |
| 18:46.32 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 18:46.36 | fantomas | jZed: its not gzip, it is zip |
| 18:46.39 | Vibragreen | there's no one in there |
| 18:46.43 | jZed | same thing |
| 18:46.43 | xand | Vibragreen: ah well |
| 18:46.44 | Vibragreen | I tried =\ |
| 18:46.47 | stoned | tough shit |
| 18:46.51 | abrotman | Vibragreen: go wait .. |
| 18:47.00 | abrotman | Vibragreen: or try ##linux |
| 18:47.00 | GeorgeS069 | :) |
| 18:47.06 | stoned | Vibragreen: alt/ctrl/+,- |
| 18:47.08 | Vibragreen | anyone like weed porn and chicken? |
| 18:47.13 | stoned | dude |
| 18:47.15 | stoned | hell yeah |
| 18:47.16 | xand | no |
| 18:47.22 | jZed | chicken-- |
| 18:47.23 | b0xt | uhm, yes? |
| 18:47.32 | abrotman | Vibragreen: stop trolling |
| 18:47.36 | stoned | Vibragreen: don't distract the whole channel |
| 18:47.41 | Vibragreen | lol |
| 18:47.42 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 18:47.46 | stoned | hi |
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| 18:47.58 | abrotman | eeyore-: you've been hiding! |
| 18:48.00 | fantomas | jZed: yes! Thank you. |
| 18:48.04 | Vibragreen | *distract* |
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| 18:48.26 | stoned | valentines comin soon |
| 18:48.47 | abrotman | nice way not to distract |
| 18:48.50 | stoned | and if you don't buy her anything, you're a dick |
| 18:48.56 | stoned | i hate these holidays |
| 18:48.58 | stoned | type thingies |
| 18:48.59 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, by acls you mean setfacl and getfacl commands, right? |
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| 18:49.00 | stoned | whatever it is |
| 18:49.01 | abrotman | stoned: stop already |
| 18:49.07 | abrotman | SDBolts21: yes |
| 18:49.09 | stoned | abrotman: I will do no such thing. |
| 18:49.16 | abrotman | god i hope they kick you |
| 18:49.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: no i've not. just been real busy :-) |
| 18:49.22 | stoned | I know you do. |
| 18:49.34 | abrotman | eeyore-: good for you :) |
| 18:49.35 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, Because I don't have those commands available? |
| 18:49.47 | etchjster | im so hap[py to get new man pages :) |
| 18:50.02 | Vibragreen | valentines day is just national try and get in her pants day |
| 18:50.17 | stoned | ok so now its time for me to stop. |
| 18:50.30 | etchjster | its hallmarks national try and get your money day |
| 18:50.42 | etchjster | takes alot of money to get those pants off |
| 18:50.57 | abrotman | SDBolts21: in the 'acl' package |
| 18:51.00 | Vibragreen | I know, it's rediculous |
| 18:51.15 | stoned | dating is like prostitution. only, you don't always get what you paid for. *hide* |
| 18:51.23 | etchjster | im just going to uninstall kde |
| 18:51.29 | stoned | etchjster: no! kde is good |
| 18:51.34 | stoned | etchjster: whats the problem ? |
| 18:51.44 | Vibragreen | dating is worse than prostituation because it's like gambling and prostitution put togethor! |
| 18:51.46 | etchjster | its very pretty but its to buggy for me |
| 18:51.54 | stoned | etchjster: how do you mean buggy |
| 18:52.05 | etchjster | it has never crashed but errors kill me |
| 18:52.11 | stoned | etchjster: I run kde on a system thrown together with snapshots and experimental packages in sid |
| 18:52.19 | stoned | kde runs more stable than anything I've used |
| 18:52.33 | stoned | etchjster: what errors ? |
| 18:52.42 | etchjster | like i said it never crashes but xsession writes alot of errors |
| 18:53.01 | stoned | mine does too but it doesn't affect my 'productivity' |
| 18:53.24 | graytron | i spend my day reading .xsession-errors |
| 18:53.26 | stoned | etchjster: I mean if you want to use something else that is fine. I just wanted to know the problems. |
| 18:53.36 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, ok it's a package. cool. one of my questions before was does linux support that kind of permissons natively? |
| 18:54.06 | abrotman | SDBolts21: i believe it does now .. but not everyone uses it |
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| 18:54.18 | rahul | stoned: what if she pays? |
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| 18:54.23 | rahul | stoned: (dating) |
| 18:54.27 | stew | (grep ACL /boot/config-$(uname -r)) |
| 18:54.33 | graytron | rahul: where can i find her? |
| 18:54.36 | rahul | heh |
| 18:54.47 | rahul | lots of girls like that in NYC. |
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| 18:55.00 | rahul | business types. |
| 18:55.07 | stoned | like sarah jessica parker.. face like a foot! |
| 18:55.12 | stoned | ugh. |
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| 18:55.16 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, uses acl instead? you mean? |
| 18:55.19 | rahul | haha, no. far hotter. |
| 18:55.21 | abrotman | right |
| 18:55.27 | stoned | etchjster: so you gonna stop using kde? |
| 18:55.38 | etchjster | i dont know |
| 18:55.47 | etchjster | gonna try it on sid |
| 18:55.52 | graytron | freedom is great |
| 18:55.53 | stew | gnome has an icon like a foot |
| 18:55.53 | stoned | why? |
| 18:55.57 | stoned | whoah whoah whoah dude |
| 18:56.02 | stoned | dont' take what I said |
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| 18:56.09 | stoned | don't use sid unless you can fix it if it breaks |
| 18:56.13 | stoned | I don't condone it, I just use it. |
| 18:56.31 | stew | etchjster: upgrading to sid isn't a good way to get fewer errors in .xsession-errors |
| 18:56.32 | etchjster | well sid is unpackaging right now |
| 18:56.36 | rahul | etchjster seems to be begging for a reason to use sid |
| 18:56.39 | rahul | stew: heh! |
| 18:56.50 | rahul | !tell etchjster about break |
| 18:56.50 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 18:56.51 | dpkg | dnuts is probably Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
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| 18:57.31 | rahul | there's a good chance you'll have an unbootable system at some point every year if you use sid. |
| 18:57.37 | etchjster | if gnome .xsession is clean after days |
| 18:57.43 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, i mean does everyone use acl instead? you mean? |
| 18:57.52 | stoned | etchjster: you're anal retentive aren't ya |
| 18:57.58 | stoned | OCD |
| 18:57.59 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:58.01 | rahul | etchjster: so don't use kde. |
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| 18:58.18 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, i don't see the native support for permissions. |
| 18:58.20 | stew | etchjster: ln -s /dev/null ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:58.28 | rahul | if that's your criterion for what you use... |
| 18:58.28 | stoned | hehe |
| 18:58.33 | medc | stoned, nvidia which version? |
| 18:58.39 | graytron | etchjster: when i installed my debian, i found this amazing virtual terminal after pressing ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:58.43 | stoned | medc: what do you mean which version |
| 18:58.51 | stoned | medc: whatever is in debian use it |
| 18:58.56 | stoned | !nvidia one-liner |
| 18:58.57 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 18:59.07 | stoned | read the debian wiki page on it |
| 18:59.37 | etchjster | me too couldnt believe it now metacity close page is bound to ctl alt f1 |
| 18:59.45 | etchjster | thanks tho |
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| 19:00.16 | rahul | !penixstrike amonbish |
| 19:00.16 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking amonbish to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 19:00.28 | stoned | digusting. |
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| 19:00.53 | stoned | rahul is obsessed with the penix |
| 19:00.54 | rahul | yeah, he is, isn't he? |
| 19:00.57 | rahul | heh |
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| 19:01.19 | rahul | I miss penix. what irc net is he on these days? |
| 19:01.54 | stew | irc.windows.net? |
| 19:01.58 | earthian | hello, how do I search&rename&replace_if_same_file_found in a /home/somedir/* ?? |
| 19:02.00 | rahul | haha |
| 19:02.03 | stoned | hello ladies and gentlemen, are you prepared to Rock>! |
| 19:02.13 | stoned | I love POT USA |
| 19:02.21 | stoned | dananaanana |
| 19:02.40 | stoned | they were giving free pomotional cds when I was in 8th grade at the mall |
| 19:03.23 | stoned | earthian: umm come again |
| 19:03.38 | earthian | ? |
| 19:03.41 | stoned | earthian: like remove duplicate files? |
| 19:03.50 | etchjster | thats the error X Error: BadWindow (invalid Window parameter) 3 |
| 19:03.59 | etchjster | google has not much |
| 19:04.02 | earthian | not duplicate, but those with upper case IF lower case exist... or vice versa |
| 19:04.15 | stoned | earthian: no idea |
| 19:04.22 | earthian | thanks :0 |
| 19:04.30 | stoned | I was just tryin to make sense of what you were asking |
| 19:04.47 | rahul | earthian: doesn't look like that would be easy. |
| 19:04.53 | rahul | well, it would be easy in lisp :) |
| 19:04.57 | daxxar | stoned: Try find /home/somedir|tr a-z A-Z|sort|uniq -c |
| 19:04.59 | daxxar | err |
| 19:05.03 | daxxar | earthian: try that |
| 19:05.13 | rahul | daxxar: he wants to actually delete them, I think |
| 19:05.20 | daxxar | Or, well, hm. |
| 19:05.22 | earthian | well.. i have alot of files and some of that were copied from damn M$ system as uppercase.. so now i kinda have a lot of duplicates? |
| 19:05.51 | earthian | or better rename/replace |
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| 19:06.06 | daxxar | Whatever, you can do it all using find, tr, sort, uniq-magic. |
| 19:06.07 | daxxar | I think. |
| 19:06.26 | rahul | daxxar: in two passes, at least |
| 19:06.29 | earthian | ok will try those thanks |
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| 19:06.44 | stoned | I don't like people from Earth |
| 19:06.47 | stoned | they suck |
| 19:07.02 | infantaside | Does anyone know a good web development package for debian |
| 19:07.06 | stew | stoned: bigotry will not be tolerated on this channel |
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| 19:07.23 | stoned | stew: hahaha i'm no alien |
| 19:07.36 | amphi | stoned: yeah, too many body thetans all over 'em |
| 19:07.43 | stoned | haha |
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| 19:07.55 | etchjster | more locale crap |
| 19:08.08 | stoned | infantaside: what you lookin for? there are plenty |
| 19:08.14 | stoned | infantaside: what features you want? |
| 19:08.18 | jZed | how do I swith from grub to lilo? |
| 19:08.24 | GeorgeS069 | here's my wpa_supplican't output http://www.pastebin.ca/352295 could someone look at it and see why I can't get a dhcp lease? |
| 19:08.26 | jZed | switch |
| 19:08.31 | amphi | jZed: install lilo |
| 19:08.36 | stoned | there is quanta, bluefish, php editors, xml editors, et. etc. |
| 19:08.39 | infantaside | more graphical then text based |
| 19:08.41 | etchjster | why do yo u switch from grub to lilo? |
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| 19:08.52 | abrotman | SDBolts21: no .. they use Unix-style perms |
| 19:08.52 | infantaside | with the ability to integrate java into the page |
| 19:08.52 | rahul | infantaside: gimp |
| 19:08.57 | jZed | lilo at newest version |
| 19:09.00 | earthian | infantaside, i would suggest gphpedit for php editing |
| 19:09.17 | stoned | infantaside: try Quanta |
| 19:09.59 | SDBolts21 | abrotman, oh ok. thanks for all your help abrotman. |
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| 19:10.03 | earthian | anyway... its like a poll... there are too many dev tools and too many different opinions because your "good" is subjective to you |
| 19:10.06 | SDBolts21 | !acl2 |
| 19:10.33 | jZed | so I have lilo installed but it boots to grub, how do I change it to boot to lilo? |
| 19:10.33 | infantaside | thanks il look at them all ;-) |
| 19:10.36 | stoned | earthian: that is why I asked him about the features he wanted |
| 19:10.49 | rahul | jZed: run the "lilo" command |
| 19:10.52 | earthian | yea... :/ |
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| 19:11.15 | jZed | thanks rahul |
| 19:11.16 | dendrite | jZed: lilo -v -v -v |
| 19:11.24 | etchjster | someone was talking about some mozilla html editor |
| 19:11.31 | dendrite | jZed: And make sure you understand all the output, especially any warnings or errors. |
| 19:11.32 | rahul | -v- -v- -v- <- flock of seagulls? |
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| 19:11.40 | stoned | it comes with mozilla-browser |
| 19:11.41 | abrotman | etchjster: in iceape there is a composer |
| 19:11.51 | stoned | it is called mozilla-composer |
| 19:11.53 | rahul | it's netscape composer, mozilla style! |
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| 19:12.35 | earthian | i have another question: if i will install windoze on one of my partitions and if it would replace my bootloader, how will I backup my old one (grub) ? |
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| 19:12.52 | earthian | not backup but restore* |
| 19:12.53 | amphi | earthian: just reinstall it |
| 19:12.56 | stoned | earthian: it is easy to fix |
| 19:13.21 | stoned | earthian: you can use grub inside nt to load your other grub so yo can boot debian then just grub-install /blah |
| 19:13.43 | jpin | What is that 3 in line game best known as? |
| 19:13.45 | earthian | i see.. |
| 19:13.45 | stoned | it is easier to install windows first |
| 19:13.46 | earthian | thanks |
| 19:13.54 | abrotman | jpin: huh ? |
| 19:14.03 | jpin | abrotman: you know, that game with 2 players |
| 19:14.04 | rahul | jpin: tic-tac-toe? |
| 19:14.09 | jpin | right! thanks |
| 19:14.12 | jpin | (hehe..) |
| 19:14.15 | Supaplex | it's also eaiser to never install windows. |
| 19:14.16 | rahul | !win rahul |
| 19:14.16 | dpkg | Congratulations, rahul! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 19:14.22 | rahul | ZOMG |
| 19:14.30 | Supaplex | I'm sure there's more then 120 |
| 19:14.31 | stoned | whats with the 'z' |
| 19:14.44 | Supaplex | stoned: internet slang. check wikipedia |
| 19:14.51 | stoned | i know |
| 19:14.59 | stoned | I'm taking the piss |
| 19:15.32 | Supaplex | and you like the taste ;) |
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| 19:15.40 | stoned | sicko! |
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| 19:16.01 | GeorgeS069 | What does this mean? "Feb 12 14:15:12 localhost kernel: SoftMAC: Authentication response received from 00:c0:9f:4f:d7:48 but no queue item exists." |
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| 19:16.10 | abrotman | there's no queue item |
| 19:16.13 | abrotman | !elive |
| 19:16.13 | dpkg | i heard elive is a livecd (installable) project and a perfectly distro based in debian and have only the enlightenment WM for managing all the system, utilities, libs, instalation, programation in EFL... the best distro in the world for this moments :), or supported in #elive |
| 19:16.23 | earthian | Supaplex, it is more easier to install windoze than successfully play a ultrahigh resolution of oblivion under linux using ATI card.... :( |
| 19:16.35 | GeorgeS069 | Doh!...why didn't I think of that :) |
| 19:16.38 | amphi | "a perfectly distro based in debian" ? |
| 19:16.48 | stoned | earthian: Oblivion is THE only reason I have windows still |
| 19:16.58 | stoned | earthian: I bought X1900XTX video card for oblivion |
| 19:16.59 | abrotman | amphi: it was written by a non-native speaker |
| 19:17.04 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: most mysterious problems with atheros (it's atheros, right?) can be solved with yanking the card out and plugging it back in :-) |
| 19:17.05 | amphi | evidently |
| 19:17.06 | stoned | for 200$ it was the best for oblivin too! I love that game |
| 19:17.08 | earthian | poor stoned |
| 19:17.18 | GeorgeS069 | eeyore-: broadcom4306 |
| 19:17.19 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: or is it prism? |
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| 19:17.30 | GeorgeS069 | eeyore-: and it is built-in |
| 19:17.30 | eeyore- | broadcom, no idea then |
| 19:17.46 | abrotman | !elive |
| 19:17.46 | dpkg | [elive] a livecd (installable) project based on Debian with additional packages for E17. It is not Debian. Supported in #elive. |
| 19:17.48 | GeorgeS069 | Oh how I wish I could yank it ou |
| 19:17.49 | abrotman | amphi: better ? |
| 19:17.51 | stoned | !bcom43xx |
| 19:17.51 | GeorgeS069 | t |
| 19:17.57 | Tallu | GeorgeS069: broadcom is well.. interesting to say the least |
| 19:17.59 | stoned | !bc43xx |
| 19:17.59 | abrotman | bcm43xx |
| 19:18.03 | stoned | ahh |
| 19:18.05 | stoned | word |
| 19:18.10 | amphi | abrotman: a thing of beauty ;) |
| 19:18.13 | Tallu | GeorgeS069: you can get help for it in #bcm-users |
| 19:18.13 | eeyore- | abrotman: i'm liking the radeon X1300 for video playback ... much better than my via cle266, but, it sucks up more power than the via, i'm sure |
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| 19:18.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: you think? :) |
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| 19:18.34 | GeorgeS069 | Tallu: thanks...I'll try in there |
| 19:18.42 | jZed | ok, so I did lilo -v and then rebooted, it still boots to grub |
| 19:18.58 | stoned | grub is superior to lilo imo |
| 19:19.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: well, can't help it. the cle266 doesn't do 1366x768 upsampled playback ... radeon does it just fine, and has avivo to boot |
| 19:19.32 | eeyore- | abrotman: maybe next time i buy an epia board, it'll be CN400 based. i heard these chips do 2048x2048 assisted decoding |
| 19:19.34 | jZed | well grub only shows "linux" lilo shows the various versions installed |
| 19:19.41 | earthian | maybe somebody of you know what gfx card is best for linux? maybe nv gf8800 gtx is too new for the newest linux drivers? |
| 19:19.42 | enouf | jZed: man lilo .. look in /etc/lilo perhaps |
| 19:19.48 | abrotman | eeyore-: really? |
| 19:19.52 | amphi | jZed: so configure grub properly |
| 19:19.58 | eeyore- | abrotman: really what, avivo? |
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| 19:20.05 | abrotman | eeyore-: the CN400 thingi |
| 19:20.21 | enouf | jZed: update-grub is all that's usually needed |
| 19:20.36 | stoned | my grub has 4 kernels, 3 OSs, nice color scheme, background image. Looks wicked. You can configure grub to show whatever you want |
| 19:20.41 | eeyore- | abrotman: oh yeah, that's standard. but, not the 700 chip though. that one is braindead. the good ones are CN400 and CLE266 (1024x1024) |
| 19:20.58 | jZed | man grub ... no entry for grub |
| 19:21.09 | rahul | apropos grub |
| 19:21.24 | stoned | rahul is becoming the Architect |
| 19:21.33 | stoned | contingent affirmation? |
| 19:21.34 | earthian | !info grub-doc etch |
| 19:21.37 | dpkg | grub-doc: (Documentation for GRand Unified Bootloader), section doc, is optional. Version: 0.97-22 (etch), Packaged size: 265 kB, Installed size: 944 kB |
| 19:21.39 | eeyore- | abrotman: you should have come work for us then you'd be rolling in the dough, too. ha. (just kidding, with two kids, it's a stretch) |
| 19:21.55 | abrotman | eeyore-: i would have .. in NC |
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| 19:22.10 | enouf | George Costanza = rahul ? |
| 19:22.12 | jZed | grub-doc command not foudn |
| 19:22.20 | eeyore- | abrotman: ah well, maybe when we get to 40+ people we'll look into it again |
| 19:22.23 | rahul | heh |
| 19:22.24 | rahul | wtf |
| 19:22.25 | asg | abrotman: you don't want to be in NC |
| 19:22.44 | stew | jZed: apt-get install grub && zless /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian |
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| 19:22.46 | eeyore- | asg: why not? :-) |
| 19:22.57 | stoned | /usr/share/doc/grub-doc/html/grub.html |
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| 19:23.03 | asg | eeyore-: I live here ;) |
| 19:23.11 | stoned | install grub-doc first |
| 19:23.16 | Vibragreen | Jesus will smite the non-believers!! |
| 19:23.27 | jZed | now, there's a nice intuitive way to find the man page |
| 19:23.28 | stoned | wtf? |
| 19:23.29 | eeyore- | asg: were are you? we're making a run to the outer banks this weekend. wanna come along? |
| 19:23.29 | asg | funny, I haven't been smitten yet |
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| 19:23.50 | Vibragreen | he will |
| 19:23.53 | quintin | Do I need to do anything special to make a script in /etc/cron.daily run? |
| 19:23.53 | asg | eeyore-: in Charlotte. As much as I love the outer banks, I'm a little busy but thanks for the offer |
| 19:23.57 | stew | Vibragreen: plase keep it on topic |
| 19:24.01 | stoned | jZed: its not a man page |
| 19:24.03 | asg | Vibragreen: when? Do I need to make an appointment? |
| 19:24.19 | jZed | I don't care what it is, that's a stupid way to get help |
| 19:24.19 | stoned | jZed: its the grub documentation in a deb package |
| 19:24.19 | rahul | Vibragreen: will it be on TV? |
| 19:24.21 | Vibragreen | yes |
| 19:24.27 | Vibragreen | jesus is a very very busy man |
| 19:24.29 | stew | stop |
| 19:24.42 | stoned | jZed: if you think so. |
| 19:25.13 | stoned | firstly, Vibragreen you need to stop. Secondly, stop encouraging him. |
| 19:25.13 | eeyore- | Vibragreen: did jesus come to this country illegally? i might have to report his ass to the INS ... god damn illegals |
| 19:25.30 | stoned | 2ndly = to the people |
| 19:25.30 | Vibragreen | =[ |
| 19:25.58 | Vibragreen | are you trying to discriminate against my religious beliefs? |
| 19:26.07 | stoned | jZed: if you want, you can convert grub doc into a manpage and submit it if you want |
| 19:26.08 | mfrisch | YES |
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| 19:26.09 | quintin | ... |
| 19:26.11 | Vibragreen | because your name already hints at an illegal activity |
| 19:26.14 | stoned | jZed: don't cry. contribute. |
| 19:26.16 | quintin | try a /topic |
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| 19:26.30 | stew | Vibragreen: you've been silenced for 10 minutes for remaining off-topic |
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| 19:27.19 | etchjster | i am leaving now to boot into my new debian system |
| 19:27.21 | yolkaplexus | hello anyone tried rbac ? |
| 19:27.29 | Nyle | hows this? |
| 19:27.33 | quintin | Do I need to do anything special to make a script in /etc/cron.daily run? |
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| 19:27.39 | Nyle | looks good. |
| 19:28.05 | eeyore- | quintin: no |
| 19:28.05 | stew | quintin: name it with a run-parts(1) compliant name |
| 19:28.05 | yolkaplexus | cause i would like to know if the exec (shell internal command) can launch any executable file |
| 19:28.06 | jZed | yeah well I'd be contributing right now, if this )*)*_*)( OS worked |
| 19:28.06 | eeyore- | quintin: it should run once every day, see /etc/crontab |
| 19:28.16 | yolkaplexus | therefore using rbac looks useless |
| 19:28.21 | Nyle | jZed: don't down on debian because YOU can't make it work. |
| 19:28.37 | eeyore- | what's rbac? |
| 19:28.37 | quintin | Where do I find logs about what happens with cron.daily? /var/log didn't have much, nor did root's mail |
| 19:28.44 | quintin | stew: I'll look at run-parts manpage again maybe |
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| 19:28.51 | asg | quintin: if the script generates no output, nothing will be logged |
| 19:29.07 | stew | quintin: the usual gotcha is that the filename cant have a . in the name (like myscript.sh won't be run) |
| 19:29.07 | quintin | I can do a /etc/cron.daily/biz-backup , but it's not running on its own yet |
| 19:29.26 | eeyore- | quintin: what i would do to debug is to pepper the script with a bunch of echo ... like "echo got here to checkpoint 1", etc. |
| 19:29.28 | stew | biz-backup is fine name |
| 19:29.40 | stew | jZed: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 19:29.42 | quintin | no '.'s anywhere.. is it ok for it to run with bash? |
| 19:29.49 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: Role Based Access Control |
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| 19:30.10 | stew | quintin: is the first line "#!/bin/bash" ? |
| 19:30.16 | quintin | stew: fo sho |
| 19:30.47 | eeyore- | yolkaplexus: use ACL, set the file to never be executable by plain UNIX permissions, only through setfacl? |
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| 19:31.45 | eeyore- | quintin: od -cv <script name>, look for \n \r pairs |
| 19:31.53 | jZed | sorry debian folks, just frustrated, debian++, me-- |
| 19:32.22 | Nyle | is ok, take a few deep breaths, start swearing out loud, and then come back to debian |
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| 19:32.33 | SpeS | hi |
| 19:32.36 | Nyle | hello |
| 19:32.41 | SpeS | anyone has used hunt? |
| 19:32.46 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: neither |
| 19:32.50 | asg | duck or jungle? |
| 19:32.50 | Nyle | !anyone |
| 19:32.50 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 19:33.07 | eeyore- | oooh oooh ... duckhunt! |
| 19:33.07 | SpeS | ok ok ^_^ |
| 19:33.12 | jZed | stew i am trying to get wifi working, to do that I need ndiswrapper, to to that I need to upgrade the kernel, I did apt-get upgrade and apt-get dist upgrade and my uname is still the same |
| 19:33.12 | eeyore- | i love the dog from that game |
| 19:33.13 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: there is file that check the permission before running the application |
| 19:33.14 | zaggynl | duckhunt? where |
| 19:33.15 | Nyle | AWESOME game |
| 19:33.25 | stew | jZed: /msg dpkg etch upgrade kernel |
| 19:33.25 | quintin | stew: http://paste.debian.net/21818 is my script, or rather a recreation of |
| 19:33.27 | Nyle | man NES was the shiz! |
| 19:33.29 | zaggynl | !duckhunt |
| 19:33.41 | Nyle | eldowan: nope |
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| 19:33.47 | stew | jZed: as i said before, apt-get won't upgrade your kenrel since it is a custom kernel |
| 19:33.52 | Nyle | eldowan: its an old one |
| 19:33.53 | quintin | Nyle: I have all NES and SNES ROMs in existence. <3 |
| 19:33.59 | Nyle | quintin: me too :) |
| 19:34.04 | eldowan | Nyle: sure, I remember it. |
| 19:34.08 | SpeS | what parameter do I have to give to hunt to get the ARP daemon work using a switch?? IP/MAC 1 and IP/MAC2 |
| 19:34.10 | eeyore- | yolkaplexus: well, what i'm saying is, make the OS do it through ACL |
| 19:34.27 | Nyle | I used to be Nyle before I was stoned |
| 19:34.35 | Nyle | before that I was rectum |
| 19:34.42 | Nyle | there been ton sof nicks in my freenode life |
| 19:34.54 | jZed | and apt-get install linux-image-686 gives me dependency errors |
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| 19:35.25 | Nyle | eldowan: but always I was stoned 90% of the time. |
| 19:35.28 | stew | jZed: put the errors into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:35.35 | eldowan | Nyle: just like now? |
| 19:35.42 | Nyle | yes kinda sorta |
| 19:35.49 | dserban_ | why is it that .bash_profile isn't read when I'm in a gnome-terminal? And how can I force bash to run/read it? |
| 19:35.50 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: the problem is to secure the files/application. Anyone can log on the system and compile/install file in his $HOME |
| 19:35.51 | Nyle | I will email cdixon with the resume soon |
| 19:35.55 | jZed | thanks for having more patience with me than I have with debian |
| 19:36.03 | hatta | Nyle, I'm stoned 90% of the time too |
| 19:36.06 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: therefore you cant just set ACLs |
| 19:36.21 | SpeS | dserban_, with source .bash_profile |
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| 19:36.37 | Nyle | !bashrc |
| 19:36.37 | dpkg | ~/.bashrc is where you put all your aliases and functions. It's read at start-up time by all interactive non-login shells. To make sure it's read by a login shell, put "source ~/.bashrc" at the end of ~/.bash_profile, or just remove the comment that is placed before the already typed include line that Debian's ~/.bash_profile has by default. |
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| 19:36.49 | dserban_ | SpeS, in .bashrc? |
| 19:36.51 | mfrisch | yolkaplexus: make home noexec |
| 19:36.52 | SpeS | dserban_, might work, yes |
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| 19:37.03 | SpeS | dserban_, or just in the console |
| 19:37.14 | dserban_ | Nyle, yes though it seems to be backwards... bash_profile isn't being read... |
| 19:37.18 | dserban_ | and bashrc is |
| 19:37.22 | stew | quintin: is the script +x? you might try putting "set -x" as the second line of the script |
| 19:37.37 | Nyle | oh crap my laptop is making noises now! all I did up update/upgrade |
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| 19:37.47 | jZed | well, who knows what changed since 5 minutes ago, but install linux-system just worked this time |
| 19:37.53 | Nyle | must've been some sound stuff I suppose |
| 19:37.56 | jZed | gonna reboot and see what it did, thanks |
| 19:37.56 | stew | linux-system? |
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| 19:38.08 | Nyle | stew: its sid also |
| 19:38.14 | Nyle | deskto and laptop both |
| 19:38.19 | jZed | er apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:38.26 | stew | yeah |
| 19:38.30 | Nyle | oh nm |
| 19:38.49 | quintin | stew: it's 755 |
| 19:38.57 | n3kl | What is the debian standard of virtulization? |
| 19:39.03 | quintin | stew: what does 'set -x' do? |
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| 19:39.04 | Nyle | n3kl: none |
| 19:39.18 | sidjster | i am here |
| 19:39.20 | sidjster | in sid |
| 19:39.22 | n3kl | Nyle: what is a good one to use? |
| 19:39.23 | Nyle | n3kl: qemu, Xen maybe, other stuff |
| 19:39.28 | sidjster | do i look different? |
| 19:39.47 | Nyle | n3kl: what about free vmware/player, you'd have to use already created images with it |
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| 19:39.51 | stew | quintin: it makes it spit out every command to stderr before it executes it, it should possibly give you some insigt as to why it fails. running it as root from a root login shell with set -x (or bash -x /path/to/script) might give you some more insight |
| 19:39.55 | Nyle | n3kl: qemu i hear is good as well |
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| 19:40.12 | quintin | stew: hmm... ok, I'll try that. |
| 19:40.24 | n3kl | Nyle: I have tried to get xen working, but it won't boot my kernel |
| 19:40.24 | asg | n3kl: depending on what you are virtualizing and your needs, OpenVZ might be worth a look. |
| 19:40.45 | Nyle | n3kl: I have never used Xen. I do not know its workings. |
| 19:40.51 | quintin | stew: I will try that *tomorrow* as this client insists on having their entire network disconnected from teh internets. :-\ |
| 19:41.10 | Nyle | there is another one called something-or-other Box |
| 19:41.16 | asg | virtualbox |
| 19:41.19 | n3kl | asg: I want to be able to create a test environment for software and other network related implementation. Running untested network software between two virtual machines would be helpfulle |
| 19:41.20 | Nyle | thats it |
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| 19:42.00 | hark | virtualbox is not in debian yet though |
| 19:42.07 | eeyore- | yolkaplexus: well then the problem should be handed off to kernel shouldn't it? time for daemon to "authorize" execution of certain apps run by non-root users? |
| 19:42.20 | asg | n3kl: well, OpenVZ is similar to Solaris Zones or FreeBSD Jails. We use it on CentOS to virtualize debian instances though it should work on Debian too. |
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| 19:42.33 | Supaplex | and while vmware player and server are not FOSS, they are $0 now. :) |
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| 19:42.49 | Nyle | hey free is good |
| 19:43.07 | n3kl | asg: my problem is that I usemy laptop to test software and often break things, that becomes a pain quickly |
| 19:43.11 | Nyle | completely free or just 0$ with some BS lisencing. Free is free. |
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| 19:43.32 | hark | !rmssmite Nyle |
| 19:43.39 | asg | n3kl: ah, fair enough |
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| 19:44.08 | Nyle | n3kl: you could use virtualbox, its fairly trivial to install |
| 19:44.18 | n3kl | asg: I have heard great thing about xen. Do you know of a guide for getting it workingon etch? I have installed it on a couple different machines but the kernel won't boot. |
| 19:44.24 | Nyle | you could even package it for debian! |
| 19:44.35 | Nyle | !xen |
| 19:44.35 | dpkg | i guess xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 19:44.58 | asg | n3kl: sorry, I looked at Xen but it was too unstable for our use at the time. I don't know much about it I'm afraid. |
| 19:45.02 | jZed | thanks all, install linux-image worked, I now have two entries on grub and uname -a reports 2.6.18-3-686 |
| 19:45.15 | Nyle | ahh, using etch eh |
| 19:45.22 | Nyle | jZed: glad you got it to work :) |
| 19:45.32 | n3kl | asg: no worries, I will check out what nyle said. thanks |
| 19:45.39 | jZed | now on to getting wifi working ... |
| 19:45.41 | sidjster | with 128 meg of ram should i use overcommit_memory |
| 19:46.06 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: yep, but exec command is a shell internal command |
| 19:46.19 | cydork | asg: xen is pretty stable now days.. what issues did you have? |
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| 19:46.29 | Nyle | hi cydork |
| 19:46.32 | yolkaplexus | eeyore-: this is the question |
| 19:46.42 | cydork | Nyle: hiya.. |
| 19:46.50 | Nyle | cydork: its stoned |
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| 19:47.19 | cydork | wtf? you are not stoned?? :P |
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| 19:47.35 | Nyle | I am. Just trying someting old :) |
| 19:48.08 | SNow | hey guys, I have intel pentium D with 965 chipset and sata and ide controllers in IDE, although all hard drives (seven) are numbered like /dev/hd* and probably that's why it boots only 4 hards, I can choose which to boot, but only four not more, bios can see every drive, but linux boots only first 4 that you choose in bios boot priority and it is named /dev/hd* |
| 19:48.20 | SNow | although it is sata disk |
| 19:48.48 | cydork | SNow: which kernel are you using? |
| 19:48.52 | Supaplex | SNow: which kernel? newer kernels have rewritten the pata/sata playing field. |
| 19:48.58 | SNow | What sLinux fabai.iti.lt 2.6.8-3-686-smp #1 SMP Tue Dec 5 23:17:50 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 19:49.27 | Nyle | SNow: what motherboard are you using? |
| 19:49.36 | kingsley | SNow: Have you checked /var/log/messages and dmesg for clues? |
| 19:49.39 | cydork | SNow: i think you are better of with 2.6.18 if you want to use sarge /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 19:50.02 | cydork | SNow: if it's not for server etch is great too now days.. |
| 19:50.08 | SNow | kingsley I've been solving this problem for weeks, I checked everything, I reput the jumpers and all stuff |
| 19:50.09 | SNow | nothing helped |
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| 19:50.29 | SNow | It boots only 4 hard drives, not more, although I can choose which one to boot, by setting up the boot priority |
| 19:50.59 | jelly | SNow: you really need to use a) newer grub, b) newer kernel than what is there in debian stable currently |
| 19:51.11 | SNow | and modprobe e1000 shows module information, but the link doesn't work at all ;-/ |
| 19:51.22 | SNow | insmod doesn't work at all. |
| 19:51.24 | stable4 | Greetings , Is there a generic 1 cd image for gnome desktop in Debain 4.0 etch , so that i can setup a basic desktop, or do i need to download all the cd's image |
| 19:51.36 | kingsley | SNow: How many hard drives are reported in /var/log/messages and dmesg? |
| 19:51.39 | SNow | but what about the controllers, I need to choose which to use in the kernel config ? |
| 19:51.43 | simonrvn | !insmod |
| 19:51.43 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 19:51.44 | SNow | kingsley 4 as I said. |
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| 19:51.52 | Nyle | SNow: what motherboard are you using? |
| 19:51.57 | amphi | stable4: if you have a reasonable net connection, use the netinstall |
| 19:51.58 | SNow | modprobe e1000 says info about the module in dmesg, but doesn't make it as a device |
| 19:52.19 | SNow | nyle I've forgotten the exact numbers, wait, I'll try to search please. |
| 19:52.29 | Nyle | I been looking at some cheap PD805's. Thanks I'd like to know which mobo you have. |
| 19:52.47 | enouf | SNow: I would seriously consider a backported kernel |
| 19:52.51 | jelly | SNow: use a newer kernel that plays well with your newer hardware |
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| 19:53.22 | naitram_ | how do you know if php is enabled on your apache server and if in fact the server is running? |
| 19:53.30 | SNow | I have new Intel processor |
| 19:53.35 | SNow | and Intel motherboard |
| 19:53.36 | scv | oh |
| 19:53.37 | Nyle | naitram_: open a php file? |
| 19:53.41 | enouf | we know |
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| 19:53.54 | stable4 | amphi: thanks , will netinstall download the d-i and let me setup the encrypted partition |
| 19:54.02 | scv | SNow, what new stuff? |
| 19:54.04 | Nyle | naitram_: put a php file in your server. connect browser to it. |
| 19:54.05 | rahul | SNow: is it shiny? |
| 19:54.14 | Nyle | I have newer stuff than PD |
| 19:54.22 | scv | PD? |
| 19:54.24 | Nyle | its-a very shiny. |
| 19:54.27 | Nyle | Pentium D |
| 19:54.31 | SNow | Pentium D |
| 19:54.35 | enouf | the 965/975x Mobos along with Giga issues and the Jmicron controller have caused porbs ;-) |
| 19:54.37 | eeyore- | SNow: can't speak for debian ... 2.6.19 or so has new alternatives for SATA/PATA. if you make PATA driver use it, then SATA might not be available. |
| 19:54.40 | SNow | 965 chipset |
| 19:54.42 | amphi | stable4: no idea about encrypted partition |
| 19:54.44 | scv | P-D is obsolate already? |
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| 19:54.48 | Nyle | enouf: I learned my lesson |
| 19:54.50 | eeyore- | SNow: my suggestion, switch over to sata_piix driver |
| 19:54.54 | rahul | pentium D is penixhugging lameness. |
| 19:55.05 | SNow | I need to make somehow the devices look like /dev/sd* not /dev/hd* yes? |
| 19:55.13 | enouf | Nyle: they're basically resolved .. but a newer kernel is needed |
| 19:55.17 | Nyle | scv: yeh, that is why its gonna be cheap. And it is faily overclockable also. |
| 19:55.23 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:55.31 | eeyore- | SNow: disable everything under the old classical IDE stack. enable scsi disk, scsi cdrom, go into the new SATA section, compile in support for PIIX/ICH |
| 19:55.36 | scv | Nyle, ... |
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| 19:55.37 | rahul | pentium D is just a way to build a noisy spaceheater |
| 19:55.37 | sidjster | my os is now 5.72 gigabyte |
| 19:55.41 | enouf | yes .. no spaces prior |
| 19:55.42 | Nyle | enouf: seems to work good. Except that even with DMA enabled, PATA is slow as THE FUCK |
| 19:55.50 | enouf | ouch |
| 19:55.54 | abrotman | asg: i don't ? |
| 19:55.58 | scv | Nyle, all OCers should be jailed |
| 19:56.01 | kingsley | SNow: How many drives does the "hwinfo" command report? |
| 19:56.15 | SNow | -bash: hwinfo: command not found |
| 19:56.17 | sidjster | i love overclocking |
| 19:56.29 | Nyle | scv: dude I got 3500Mhz fully stable, max out at 40-45C on a core 2 duo E6300. |
| 19:56.31 | amphi | !tell SNow about installit |
| 19:56.32 | eldowan | I'm trying to get cpufreq[d|utils] working, but cpufreq=info shows : no or unknown cpufreq driver is active on this CPU. I am running 2.6.17-2-486 on an AMD 3800+ dualcore. How would I get the driver working? would a kernel upgrade to a k7 kernel help? |
| 19:56.36 | Nyle | I think I'll keep doing it. |
| 19:56.44 | enouf | SNow: enable all AHCI, ACPI, and APIC in the bios, and take the controller out of compatability mode |
| 19:56.47 | SNow | I'm gonna reinstall the kernel I think, I need to do it from source, or maybe I could do it using apt-get ? |
| 19:56.48 | kingsley | SNow: apt-get install hwinfo |
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| 19:57.14 | SNow | enouf Tried |
| 19:57.19 | SNow | native or legacy ? |
| 19:57.19 | enouf | apt-get install lshw dmidecode as well SNow |
| 19:57.31 | scv | Nyle, iirc, E6300/E6400 was disabled the half of cache... in other words... |
| 19:57.32 | Nyle | scv: I got performance higher than the most expensive $999 for $180 |
| 19:57.32 | GeorgeS069 | ok...I had enough of this broadcom crap(#bcm-users want me to replace my kernel and jump through all kinds of hoops)...could someone recommend a 802.11g pcmcia card that will work with wpa and wpa2 using wpa_supplicant? |
| 19:57.37 | enouf | SNow: you need a newer kernel |
| 19:57.58 | SNow | I know.. should I install it using aptitude or just from source? |
| 19:58.01 | Nyle | scv: so? who cares.. I don't require a high amount of cache. 2MB is good enough. |
| 19:58.04 | enouf | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 19:58.04 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.18 was if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 19:58.10 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: atheros :-) |
| 19:58.12 | enouf | cydork++ |
| 19:58.19 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: i use .. mmm .. belkin |
| 19:58.21 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.22 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.22 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.22 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.22 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:58.31 | GeorgeS069 | eeyore-: is that a brandname or the chip set? |
| 19:58.33 | enouf | uh oh .. lol |
| 19:58.34 | Nyle | scv: and by the time I might, 4MB cache C2Ds will be cheaper |
| 19:58.38 | SNow | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:58.45 | enouf | SNow: that's a Nono |
| 19:58.46 | stew | SNow: don't paste in here |
| 19:58.48 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: both, atheros = chipset, belkin = brand name |
| 19:58.48 | sidjster | holy cow |
| 19:58.50 | amphi | !tell SNow about paste |
| 19:58.50 | stew | !paste |
| 19:58.50 | dpkg | Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:58.51 | simonrvn | stop |
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| 19:58.58 | enouf | !tell SNow about paste |
| 19:59.03 | enouf | heh |
| 19:59.03 | SNow | ok sorry sorry |
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| 19:59.18 | Nyle | simonrvn: whats up |
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| 19:59.20 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: go to the "madwifi" website, look at their chart. find pcmcia card from a vendor you trust. |
| 19:59.40 | rokfit | can anyone help me install libmp3lame on x86_64? |
| 19:59.46 | GeorgeS069 | I trust belkin...I use thier stuff on my Tivo's :) |
| 19:59.52 | enouf | rokfit: sure |
| 19:59.58 | rokfit | oh thank you enouf |
| 20:00.04 | enouf | rokfit: chroot :-) |
| 20:00.05 | rokfit | what do i need to do? |
| 20:00.10 | rokfit | how do i do that? |
| 20:00.19 | enouf | rokfit: hang a sec |
| 20:00.20 | eldowan | How would I find what driver to use for an AMD 3800+ and cpufreq? |
| 20:00.21 | SNow | !tell me about bpo |
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| 20:00.28 | kingsley | SNow: It's easy to be seduced by the convenience of apt-get into upgrading software, but it has been my experience that the fastest way to solve a problem is usually by first diagnosing it as specifically and accurately as possible, and then trying a focused fix. |
| 20:00.32 | rokfit | k |
| 20:00.37 | Nyle | !msg the bot |
| 20:00.37 | dpkg | i heard msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell>. Also visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively use the factoids database |
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| 20:01.10 | SNow | :)) |
| 20:01.11 | enouf | rokfit: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 20:01.19 | enouf | bah .. |
| 20:01.22 | SNow | kingsley the problem is that the kernel doesn't have proper drivers. |
| 20:01.32 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: look for specific models because they may have changed chips and keep model number the same :-7 |
| 20:01.42 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: http://madwifi.org/wiki/Compatibility |
| 20:01.50 | enouf | rokfit: https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292205 |
| 20:01.51 | amphi | SNow: for what? |
| 20:01.59 | SNow | for the sata controller |
| 20:02.16 | kingsley | SNow: How do you know that the problem is that the kernel doesn't have proper drivers? |
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| 20:02.24 | simonrvn | Nyle: not much, just getting my day under way right now (sleep pattern fubar again). you? |
| 20:02.28 | amphi | SNow: you can install etch on sata AFAIK (I have no sata) |
| 20:02.33 | enouf | SNow: got both ICH and Jmicron ? what about Sil? |
| 20:02.37 | karsten | Where can you get a count of attached disks in Linux? |
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| 20:02.39 | karsten | cat /proc/partitions | sed '1,2d' | grep -cv '[0-9]$' |
| 20:03.19 | karsten | ... was my quick solution. |
| 20:03.19 | simonrvn | oh, there's docs at alioth now? nice |
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| 20:03.19 | SNow | enouf Sil ? |
| 20:03.19 | eeyore- | GeorgeS069: i use my belkin pcmcia with linksys wrt54g flashed with the alternative dd-wrt firmware. i like dd firmware MUCH better (linksys screwed up royally when they went to vxworks, buggy as hell) |
| 20:03.19 | SNow | fabai:~# cat /proc/partitions | sed '1,2d' | grep -cv '[0-9]$' |
| 20:03.19 | SNow | 4 |
| 20:03.20 | enouf | yeah .. Sil4xxx as found in some ASUStek boards |
| 20:03.20 | SNow | although 7 hard drives are connected and working as well. |
| 20:03.26 | enouf | they have 3 separate controllers |
| 20:03.32 | SNow | I see them in BIOS, but not in the Linux. |
| 20:03.40 | Esaj | is anyone familiar with the term "google tan"? |
| 20:03.52 | SNow | The thing is that it numerizes it like /dev/hd* not /dev/sd* why is that? |
| 20:03.53 | enouf | SNow: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 .. or /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
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| 20:04.01 | enouf | SNow: no spaces prior |
| 20:04.09 | asg | abrotman: no, you'd hate the lack of proper cheeze whiz |
| 20:04.09 | enouf | to the first / |
| 20:04.10 | SNow | enouf did that, I'm already doing it. |
| 20:04.17 | karsten | SNow: What did that miss? |
| 20:04.19 | enouf | SNow: congrats ;-) |
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| 20:05.02 | abrotman | asg: i haven't had any in a while |
| 20:05.08 | abrotman | asg: i prefer mine with real cheese anyways |
| 20:05.10 | SNow | but I need SMP as well. |
| 20:05.25 | enouf | !cheesesteak me |
| 20:05.34 | enouf | yumm .. thanks dpkg |
| 20:05.44 | simonrvn | and heartburn tabs too |
| 20:06.08 | cydork | damn i am hungry now .. |
| 20:06.11 | asg | abrotman: then you'd fit right in |
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| 20:06.32 | enouf | I think I'll get the local execellent pubs "nachos" .. followed via 10oz Angus burger .. with all the trimminga |
| 20:06.39 | enouf | s/a/s/ |
| 20:06.46 | eeyore- | my wife mad super spicy salsa the other night. the kind that made you regret the next morning, and the next morning ... roasted chilli peppers, roasted habaneros peppers ... |
| 20:06.54 | enouf | hehe |
| 20:06.56 | simonrvn | cheez whiz is not cheese, it's "comestible" plastic |
| 20:07.07 | SNow | Ok, another question for you, dear professionals. I have a website running with 12 k visitors a day, and an active mysql, which has to do many readings writings, insertings and so on. The thing is, that it the box is hugely lagged, when I had apache2 the load was up to 90 - 110 ( yes, even like that) when I've moved to lighthttpd the situation a little bit changed, but still the load at the peak time is about ~20. I have 100 mbps internet, 3.2 hyper-treading p |
| 20:07.12 | SNow | www.torrent.lt/server-status |
| 20:07.21 | simonrvn | eeyore-: damn, that sounds good |
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| 20:07.27 | SNow | with 40 GB / day bandwidhtd |
| 20:07.30 | SNow | I use php5-cgi |
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| 20:07.36 | asg | SNow: put your database on a different server for a start |
| 20:07.37 | enouf | eeyore-: I really like that stuff .. great for the "system" too .. heh |
| 20:07.48 | SNow | asg and maybe connect them with 1 GBIT ? |
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| 20:07.56 | asg | SNow: sounds good |
| 20:07.58 | stew | SNow: is it spending all of its time in iowait? |
| 20:08.10 | enouf | eeyore-: though "roasted isn't as biting and clearing" |
| 20:08.14 | nn-566 | what is a usb wifi device that works the most constantly with linux - and is esay to set-up |
| 20:08.14 | SNow | stew I don't know, sorry |
| 20:08.22 | SNow | And I don't know how to check. |
| 20:08.24 | asg | SNow: run vmstat 5 on the box |
| 20:08.56 | asg | SNow: if the 'b' column is large and >0, then you are IO bound |
| 20:09.02 | eeyore- | enouf: oh i like to nibble on fresh habaneros too, when i can find them nice and ripe ... love the smell |
| 20:09.17 | stew | SNow: ^^^, ignore the first line, then watch the wa line. also see if there is anything si or so columns, if there are, you need more memory |
| 20:09.26 | asg | SNow: also, look at the 'wa' column at the end. It will show you a percentage of CPU time that is spent waiting for IO |
| 20:09.34 | enouf | eeyore-: well yeah .. but one can also cook them differnetly .. like stir-fry and such |
| 20:09.46 | SNow | maybe I'll paste it somewhere? :D |
| 20:09.53 | amphi | heh |
| 20:10.04 | enouf | SNow: ya think? |
| 20:10.14 | SNow | http://p.data.lt/37 |
| 20:10.40 | asg | SNow: that's CPU bound |
| 20:10.46 | asg | SNow: and big time |
| 20:10.56 | SNow | what do you mean sir? :) |
| 20:11.02 | asg | SNow: you need more CPUs |
| 20:11.26 | SNow | torrent:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep bogo |
| 20:11.26 | SNow | bogomips : 6007.41 |
| 20:11.26 | SNow | bogomips : 6000.44 |
| 20:11.43 | SNow | and Still I need more?! ^^ |
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| 20:11.50 | simonrvn | bogomips don't matter much anymore |
| 20:11.53 | roger21 | hello |
| 20:11.56 | asg | SNow: you probably want to split the DB off to another server. Then use multiple load-balanced frontend web servers to reduce load on each node. |
| 20:12.00 | stew | you can do lots of nothing really fast |
| 20:12.10 | stew | SNow: what are you serving? php? |
| 20:12.15 | SNow | yes, php |
| 20:12.15 | asg | SNow: those number indicate you need roughly 15 - 16 CPUs to do the work |
| 20:12.19 | SNow | through CGI |
| 20:12.25 | SNow | www.torrent.lt/server-status/ - check this out. |
| 20:12.32 | roger21 | i can't install proftpd it stops at "Setting up proftpd (1.3.0-20) ..." |
| 20:12.42 | asg | SNow: are you using fast-cgi with lighttpd? |
| 20:12.47 | SNow | the announce.php is beeing made from bittorrent trackers, probably I need to move it too. |
| 20:12.49 | SNow | asg yes. |
| 20:12.54 | asg | ouch |
| 20:13.02 | abrotman | asg: do i have to drive a chevy ? |
| 20:13.14 | asg | abrotman: no, we only drive asian cars down here |
| 20:13.14 | SNow | I have lighttpd with fast-cgi support |
| 20:13.18 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 20:13.49 | simonrvn | all fuel celled up and everything ;p |
| 20:14.04 | SNow | :)) |
| 20:14.08 | SNow | asg out of Ideas? :D |
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| 20:14.24 | SNow | stew what do you mean 15- 16 cpu? :)) |
| 20:14.27 | SNow | ghz? :D |
| 20:14.31 | asg | SNow: there is nothing you can likely do without resorting to multiple load-balanced application servers |
| 20:14.41 | simonrvn | 15 - 16 actual CPUs |
| 20:15.03 | SNow | I've ordered a intel xeon 2 duo today with 3 gb ram |
| 20:15.06 | SNow | and assus motherboard |
| 20:15.31 | SNow | and I'm thinking of moving mysql database to another server |
| 20:15.32 | radex | SNow: mysql - this is not good option ;) |
| 20:15.34 | SNow | will that help? |
| 20:16.44 | asg | SNow: yes, moving it will provide a performance upgrade no matter what you are running |
| 20:16.44 | simonrvn | mysql loses data on high load too |
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| 20:16.44 | SNow | actually I'm thinking of moving mysql and announce.php to there |
| 20:16.44 | eeyore- | asg: the xeon 51xx would kick opteron's butts, though |
| 20:16.45 | roger21 | is there a command to see the list of the say 5 last installed package ? |
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| 20:16.45 | asg | eeyore-: yeah |
| 20:16.45 | SNow | while announce.php isn't really a real users page, it just updates the information about the torrents that users are using |
| 20:16.45 | asg | roger21: what debian version are you using? |
| 20:16.45 | stew | SNow: perhaps some of your site could be cached with an inward proxy? |
| 20:16.46 | dondelelcaro | roger21: /var/log/dpkg.log or /var/log/aptitude.log |
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| 20:16.46 | SNow | I think I should get rid of it from this browsing box |
| 20:16.46 | dondelelcaro | roger21: alternatively, look at the ctime of /var/lib/dpkg/info/*.lists |
| 20:16.46 | simonrvn | roger21: if your system is eth or sid, you can use the dpkg.log |
| 20:16.46 | enouf | SNow: you need disk throughput .. scsi drives .. or a good raid solution possibly as a SAN using fibre or infiniband .. but .. whatever |
| 20:16.55 | eeyore- | asg: we're planning a 10-15 blade of the quad-core here, dunno how much it'll get chopped down by the budget owners :-) |
| 20:17.01 | stew | eeyore-: he doesn't seem to be at all io bound |
| 20:17.03 | stew | enouf: ^^ |
| 20:17.10 | SNow | stew wouldn't it be better to make a mysql replica, and rsync and then play with iptables on routing, to make the traffic go randomly? |
| 20:17.10 | enouf | oh .. ok then |
| 20:17.14 | bdilley | I hosed a mysql-server install on my debian machine... how can i completely remove it and re-install it (I've tried apt-get remove and apt-get install but it's not removing configuration files... i want fresh default config files) |
| 20:17.32 | dondelelcaro | SNow: it'd actually be better work on optimizing your application, because 12k hits isn't all that many |
| 20:17.35 | asg | eeyore-: we are about to buy a x4600 Sunfire with 8 dual-core opterons and 32 Gig of ram for a SAN attached DB server. |
| 20:17.40 | SNow | and another thing what is happening for me with mysql, that the tables are oftenly crashing |
| 20:17.46 | sepski | bdilley, take backups first, then use apt-get purge |
| 20:17.47 | SNow | I need to repair them regularly |
| 20:17.47 | enouf | stew: must admit. .. not paying real close attention .. I'll shaddup for now ;-) |
| 20:17.51 | sepski | bdilley, take backups first, then use apt-get remove --purge |
| 20:17.59 | SNow | dondelelcaro optimizing the php code? |
| 20:18.02 | bdilley | i don't have any data to backup yet... so it's cool |
| 20:18.02 | roger21 | thanx dondelelcaro & simonrvn |
| 20:18.10 | stew | SNow: yeah, don is likely correct. perhaps you need to add some indexes to your tables? |
| 20:18.12 | dondelelcaro | SNow: primarily the DB queries. |
| 20:18.16 | bdilley | excelent guys, thanks |
| 20:18.17 | sepski | bdilley, but you usualy write the config yourself anyway, from the examples in /usr/share/doc |
| 20:18.31 | stew | SNow: and turn on mysql slow query logging |
| 20:18.39 | eeyore- | asg: i've been out of it for some time ... what's this SAS thing? ok, so it's "serial attached scsi", but it looks like any other standard 2.5" gut with different electronics out the back ... what does it offer over SATA? |
| 20:18.51 | SNow | I'm not familiar with the mysql and php programming stuff. And the coders of this site are to lame to do that I think :) |
| 20:18.56 | SNow | mysql slow logging is turned on. |
| 20:18.59 | bdilley | sepski, weird, i did a purge... but the install isn't working now |
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| 20:19.10 | bdilley | isn't working as in, it doesn't seem to be creating my.cnf |
| 20:19.22 | enouf | eeyore-: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/sas |
| 20:19.27 | SNow | I do have a router with 355mhz and 300 ram for redirecting the 80 port to that web box |
| 20:19.29 | SNow | and 3306 |
| 20:19.31 | sepski | bdilley, just copy the suited my.cnf from the examples in /usr/share/doc/ |
| 20:19.33 | dondelelcaro | SNow: well, you'll end up spending a lot more on hardware than it would cost to bring someone in to fix teh most egregious problems. |
| 20:19.34 | SNow | may that be the cause of the problem? |
| 20:19.39 | enouf | eeyore-: and perhaps inerfacebus.com |
| 20:19.39 | bdilley | sepski: ah, thanks. |
| 20:19.43 | enouf | bah |
| 20:19.43 | GeorgeS069 | eeyore-: I found this one for $35...F5D7010 and they have it in stock at my local Compusa so I'm gonna grab that and I guess I'll just blacklist the bcm43xx module and I should be all set :) |
| 20:19.47 | enouf | eeyore-: and perhaps interfacebus.com |
| 20:19.52 | SNow | dondelelcaro probably the mysql and php code yeah? |
| 20:19.54 | radex | SNow: use snmp |
| 20:20.00 | SNow | radex snmp? |
| 20:20.01 | dondelelcaro | SNow: most likely, yes. |
| 20:20.01 | nn-566 | what is a usb wifi device that works the most constantly with linux - and is esay to set-up |
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| 20:20.15 | radex | SNow: to check your router ;) |
| 20:20.38 | asg | eeyore-: heh, SAS smells of ERPness to me ;) |
| 20:20.39 | radex | SNow: mysql have problem with scalling, U must migrate it to psql for ex. |
| 20:20.42 | enouf | more specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_Attached_SCSI |
| 20:20.53 | stew | SNow: no, your vmstat showed that your cpu is actually working hard, its not a problem with getting traffic to the box fast enough |
| 20:20.54 | simonrvn | yes, ditch the mysql |
| 20:20.57 | enouf | too much typing for me ;-) |
| 20:21.09 | asg | eeyore-: gotta run, back in a bit |
| 20:21.14 | abrotman | !pubtime |
| 20:21.15 | dpkg | from memory, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
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| 20:21.16 | radex | mysql this is not database ;) |
| 20:21.21 | stew | if his probablem is bad mysql queries or no indexes on his tables, it won't matter which db he is using |
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| 20:21.46 | SNow | I think I'll start with moving the mysql to another box, and connecting those two with 1 GBIT, while I have already ordered the hardware, hopefully the load will end |
| 20:21.53 | SNow | and I think I really need to move announce.php too |
| 20:21.58 | simonrvn | good start |
| 20:22.02 | eeyore- | enouf: i got the gist of it ... probably for the blade solution it makes the most sense to "share" these drives, eh? |
| 20:22.48 | SNow | Bittorrent clients are updating their .torrent files by GET'ing the information from the mysql, so that causes requests, and so on, when announce.php will be on another box, it will make the browsing easier, hopefully. |
| 20:22.53 | bdilley | is there a command to add/remove init scripts from various run levels/ |
| 20:23.03 | enouf | eeyore-: honestly, I don't know .. not used to planning for that large/expensive .. but I listen a lot ;-) |
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| 20:23.31 | abrotman | update-rc.d |
| 20:23.46 | SNow | between, I've installed 2.6.18 kernel |
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| 20:24.05 | SNow | and the server didn't boot up |
| 20:24.10 | SNow | ssh: connect to address 85.255.108.136 port 22: No route to host |
| 20:24.23 | SNow | :)) |
| 20:24.32 | enouf | SNow: did you dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXX ? |
| 20:24.41 | SNow | I did /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 20:26.15 | enouf | SNow: you likely need to reconfigure you /etc/fstab as /dev/sda,b,c etc.. and check you grub settings in menu.lst |
| 20:26.33 | SNow | grub is ok |
| 20:26.40 | SNow | possibly the /etc/fstab thing |
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| 20:27.40 | enouf | SNow: you went from a custom kernel 2.6.8.3-686 to the bpo 2.6.18 ? |
| 20:27.51 | eeyore- | why not use LABEL=/ LABEL=/boot in /etc/fstab? |
| 20:27.56 | eldowan | how would I find the correct cpu driver for frequency scaling? I'm on 2.6.18-3-k7 using an AMD 3800+. |
| 20:27.58 | eeyore- | or UUID=... |
| 20:28.08 | enouf | eeyore-: yep .. can do that too |
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| 20:28.17 | eeyore- | avoids playing games with revolving device names :-) |
| 20:28.29 | enouf | eeyore-: though udev can do that too |
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| 20:28.34 | SNow | enouf from old smp kernel |
| 20:28.36 | trident_ | hello |
| 20:28.48 | enouf | SNow: custom compiled? |
| 20:28.51 | trident_ | i tried to make a debian package with checkinstall and it makes a symlink which conflicts with something from smbclient |
| 20:28.54 | enouf | that's important |
| 20:29.01 | SNow | enouf from apt-get install linux-image |
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| 20:29.05 | eeyore- | eldowan: does that CPU support frequency scaling? |
| 20:29.09 | simonrvn | UUID= r0x |
| 20:29.22 | enouf | SNow: oh .. ok .. do the reconfigure thing too though .. it'll update your initrd |
| 20:29.27 | eldowan | eeyore-: it does in windows. :D |
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| 20:29.42 | enouf | !shoot eldowan |
| 20:29.47 | eeyore- | eldowan: so your motherboard BIOS is a-ok, is that right? in that case, why not load the acpi-cpufreq module? |
| 20:29.50 | trident_ | how do i force the machine to accept the package? |
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| 20:30.06 | SNow | enouf you mean? |
| 20:30.08 | eldowan | eeyore-: aah, I didn't know I should load that module |
| 20:30.13 | SNow | dpkg-reconfigure ? |
| 20:30.17 | eldowan | enouf: what'd I do to you??? ouch that hurt! |
| 20:30.21 | enouf | SNow: did you dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-XXX <-- that |
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| 20:30.35 | reppel | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:30.36 | eldowan | eeyore-: no such device |
| 20:30.38 | SNow | enoug the old one, or the new one enouf ? |
| 20:30.40 | eeyore- | eldowan: or, you can load one of the powernow modules |
| 20:30.42 | enouf | eldowan: you spaketh of the evilness |
| 20:30.50 | eldowan | enouf: fair enough |
| 20:30.51 | eeyore- | eldowan: find /lib/module -name "powern*" |
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| 20:30.57 | SNow | enouf? :) |
| 20:31.22 | simonrvn | or modprobe -l | grep powern |
| 20:32.00 | enouf | SNow: the new one .. sorry |
| 20:32.19 | SNow | enouf |
| 20:32.22 | ma3x | when I grep out something, how do I do it to filter only a word from the beginning to it's end - like if I want "ape", to filter out only ape, not grape or cape |
| 20:32.23 | eldowan | I just tried powernow-k7 powernow-k8 powernow-k6 all to no luck :( |
| 20:32.23 | enouf | I am glazed over atm .. pls understand |
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| 20:32.46 | stew | ma3x: grep "\bape\b" |
| 20:32.51 | \Shadowfox\ | hello |
| 20:32.57 | sam_ | would a symptom of this http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/News/2007/20070210 be a netinstall getting to 5% and then failing to continue? I am installing from a CD on which someone helpfully wrote 'latest debian'... |
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| 20:33.00 | viperser | how do u setup fxp with vsftpd? |
| 20:33.05 | eeyore- | eldowan: is one already loaded? "lsmod | grep powernow" |
| 20:33.07 | rahul | grep "\<ape\>" |
| 20:33.07 | ma3x | thanks stew |
| 20:33.18 | SNow | enouf do I need to update /etc/fstab |
| 20:33.20 | eeyore- | eldowan: if none of them can be loaded, you might have broken bios |
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| 20:33.24 | enouf | eldowan: what's your goal |
| 20:33.24 | rahul | or is that not grep regex? |
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| 20:33.32 | rahul | oh wait |
| 20:33.34 | enouf | SNow: sure .. atleast check it |
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| 20:33.37 | rahul | grep '\<ape\>' |
| 20:33.43 | gholen | Hello :) Is there a swedish channel for debian users in freenode ? |
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| 20:33.53 | \Shadowfox\ | somebody has successfully installed a bcm4310 uart (rev 1) wireless device in debian with bcm43xx module? |
| 20:33.58 | SNow | enouf fabai:~# dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 20:33.59 | enouf | s/monkees/babboons/chimps |
| 20:34.00 | eeyore- | eldowan: so, which is it? when you reboot, do you get proper PSR section? read dmesg output, near beginning, it's one of the first few things kernel does when it boots |
| 20:34.01 | SNow | is it ok enouf? |
| 20:34.05 | fredl | hi guys, where's that #debian-mentors channel again? |
| 20:34.10 | enouf | SNow: yep |
| 20:34.45 | enouf | fredl: likely on irc.debian.org |
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| 20:34.57 | fredl | hmm makes sense |
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| 20:35.00 | rahul | enouf: "chimps"? that's a lot of options to the s/// command :P |
| 20:35.02 | enouf | fredl: even irc.oftc.net |
| 20:35.17 | SNow | the / is /dev/hdc1 in /etc/fstab I should make it /dev/sdc1 ?? |
| 20:35.22 | enouf | rahul: I know .. that's why I did it .. lol .. I'm a monkey :-P |
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| 20:35.35 | rahul | heh |
| 20:35.44 | enouf | SNow: sure .. or test using the grub shell directly |
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| 20:35.50 | SNow | enouf dpkg-reconfigure of the new kernel was already made when I've did apt-get install |
| 20:35.59 | SNow | enouf can you a little bit explain please? |
| 20:36.12 | ma3x | stew: I want to just to display "ape". not grape, not bape not mape not apes, not apel, nothing. Just the simple word ape |
| 20:36.13 | SNow | 'grub' |
| 20:36.22 | rahul | ma3x: echo ape |
| 20:36.24 | dr1v3r | guys how can i get php 4.4 through apt? |
| 20:36.29 | enouf | SNow: the idea is to update your initrd.. yes .. maybe it "automagically" did it during install |
| 20:36.35 | eeyore- | eldowan: if your bios is faulty, i might be able to help you make new entries for your CPU to enable power saving, but it's pretty damn complicated, and you're better off bugging your motherboard maker :-) |
| 20:36.43 | simonrvn | during install, yes it did |
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| 20:37.20 | SNow | enouf initrd is already updated, I did dpkg-reconfigure, I'm now interested of setting up the /dev/sd* in the /etc/fstab to the right ones, you told that I can check that using grub shell, maybe I could get a little bit of help |
| 20:37.36 | stew | ma3x: grep -o "\bape\b" |
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| 20:37.45 | rahul | stew: '' |
| 20:37.50 | ma3x | stew: what's that b for? |
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| 20:37.59 | tanuki | Is there a way to get apt-get to install the dependencies for a package but not install the package itself? |
| 20:38.03 | simonrvn | word boundary, man grep |
| 20:38.08 | ma3x | rahul: that doesnt work good |
| 20:38.11 | simonrvn | and it's \b |
| 20:38.13 | rahul | \< \> is better! |
| 20:38.32 | stew | ma3x: \b matches a word boundary |
| 20:38.34 | rahul | it doesn't eat the boundary. |
| 20:39.04 | enouf | SNow: about grub? .. not easy now .. to explain how to use the grub shell .. just alter your /etc/fstab and you can always reboot into old kernel if issues arise .. but yeah you NEED to atleast see http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/grub.html 'e' to edit a line, etc |
| 20:39.10 | stew | rahul: '\bape\b' and "\bape\b" are the same |
| 20:39.18 | stew | (if that is what you were trying to say with '') |
| 20:39.30 | rahul | stew: not to bash |
| 20:39.47 | rahul | hrm |
| 20:39.50 | stew | rahul: how do they differ? |
| 20:39.50 | ma3x | stew: I'm not getting any results it doesnt work |
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| 20:40.10 | rahul | grep \\<ape\\> |
| 20:40.24 | rahul | grr |
| 20:40.26 | stew | ma3x: what exact command are you typing? |
| 20:40.28 | rahul | grep "\\<ape\\>" |
| 20:40.29 | enouf | SNow: I would definitely make a /etc/fstab.backup .. even though a /etc/fstab~ or simialr will exist once you edit it |
| 20:40.32 | SNow | for some of you who didn't know, that 965 has big problem with debian that you need to set pci=nommconf |
| 20:40.37 | stew | rahul: that one is different |
| 20:40.45 | SNow | when booting |
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| 20:41.05 | dkr | \b is perl syntax |
| 20:41.09 | ma3x | stew: im using -r not -o |
| 20:41.20 | SNow | enouf the new kernel said waiting for root filesystem and stop |
| 20:41.29 | bzed|afk | use both then ma3x |
| 20:41.38 | stew | bash: -r: command not found |
| 20:41.45 | dkr | maybe you need egrep insetad of grep, :) |
| 20:41.46 | enouf | SNow: maybe for the bpo version for sarge .. not for the Etch version ..(or shouldn't now) .. the Daily Image installers are up to date using 2.6.18-4 or the sid kerenls arew |
| 20:41.57 | stew | ma3x: what exact command are you typing? |
| 20:42.11 | enouf | SNow: so what's cat /proc/cmdline say? |
| 20:42.19 | ma3x | stew: grep -ro "\ape\b" . |
| 20:42.21 | SNow | root=/dev/hdc1 ro pci=nommconf |
| 20:42.24 | h3sp4wn | the daily image installer didn't work when I tried it earlier (for etch) |
| 20:42.34 | rahul | ... |
| 20:42.39 | SNow | enouf In the new kernel I did pci=nommconf too, but it stops on waiting for root filesystem... |
| 20:42.42 | enouf | SNow: you may think grub updated properly, but any #kopt= line may be messing with that |
| 20:42.42 | rahul | grep -ro "\\bape\\b" |
| 20:42.48 | stew | no |
| 20:42.50 | enouf | SNow: as well as many other settings |
| 20:42.58 | stew | ma3x: grep -ro "\bape\b" . |
| 20:43.02 | rahul | no |
| 20:43.07 | stew | yes |
| 20:43.07 | rahul | grep -ro "\\bape\\b" . |
| 20:43.13 | SNow | enouf so what shall I do? |
| 20:43.14 | enouf | h3sp4wn: for what? . the 965 chipset? |
| 20:43.26 | stew | rahul: he doesn't want to match \bape\b, he wants to match a single word "ape" |
| 20:43.29 | SNow | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 20:43.32 | rahul | ... |
| 20:43.40 | SNow | Your /etc/kernel-img.conf needs upgrade. Read grub's NEWS.Debian[1] |
| 20:43.41 | stew | rahul: yours was going to match a '\' then a 'b' then an 'a'... |
| 20:43.41 | h3sp4wn | enouf: at all on a very well supported intel serverworks board |
| 20:43.56 | h3sp4wn | enouf: Just crashed around 6% |
| 20:43.57 | rahul | photino% echo "\bape\b" ape |
| 20:44.04 | enouf | SNow: 1st remove the pci= line .. also note the hdc1 rather than sdc1 |
| 20:44.06 | rahul | holy crap |
| 20:44.11 | rahul | it actually backspaces |
| 20:44.23 | SNow | enouf but It won't work without pci= |
| 20:44.28 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.28 | dkr | ape |
| 20:44.28 | dkr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:44.28 | dkr | ape |
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| 20:44.39 | enouf | h3sp4wn: hrm .. yeah there's been a 5% install issue .. is that amd64? |
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| 20:44.43 | enouf | no .. wait |
| 20:44.54 | h3sp4wn | enouf: that was i386 |
| 20:44.59 | ma3x | ok works |
| 20:45.09 | enouf | not on the Intel .. ok |
| 20:45.11 | rahul | you're supposed to insert a literal backspace into the string you pass to grep? |
| 20:45.23 | ma3x | actually hold on |
| 20:45.27 | dkr | I thought 4 lines was the accepable limit, what does debhelper kick on, gerater than 3? :) |
| 20:45.31 | enouf | rahul: escape |
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| 20:45.56 | rahul | ^[ ? |
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| 20:46.01 | enouf | why for a b .. nfs |
| 20:46.05 | enouf | nfc even |
| 20:46.19 | eeyore- | rahul: \b = empty string |
| 20:46.24 | jelly-home | enouf: rtfm man 5 regex for "why \b" |
| 20:46.27 | rahul | why for is these raisins so hysterical? |
| 20:46.34 | enouf | jelly-home: ouch |
| 20:46.36 | dkr | or man grep |
| 20:46.57 | rahul | jelly-home: this is a linux distro! |
| 20:47.04 | jelly-home | enouf: sorry, section 7. |
| 20:47.14 | enouf | must be the -o option |
| 20:47.20 | jelly-home | rahul: eh, and it even isn't there in the correct page anyway :-( |
| 20:47.23 | rahul | yeah |
| 20:47.27 | rahul | how lame. |
| 20:47.36 | jelly-home | \b == word boundary |
| 20:47.37 | rahul | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:47.55 | dkr | regex (7) - POSIX.2 regular expressions |
| 20:48.07 | jelly-home | rahul: you mean \< and \> or \b? |
| 20:48.19 | enouf | oh .. this is somekinda renaming trick? .. no wonder |
| 20:48.22 | rahul | jelly-home: I mean that's a bug listed in regex(7) |
| 20:48.25 | SNow | enouf I did /dev/sdc1 on /boot/grub/menu.lst but still I get an error for waiting for root file system ! |
| 20:48.25 | enouf | using echo for this? |
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| 20:48.50 | jelly-home | also, grep -o used to be buggy |
| 20:49.13 | enouf | SNow: well .. please don;t say it's a RAID, or LVM, or anything |
| 20:49.19 | jelly-home | grep --color is also nice when one is testing and looking for what gets matched |
| 20:49.39 | SNow | enouf it is not raid.. |
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| 20:50.06 | dkr | jelly-home: doesn't every alias grep to grep --color=auto ? ;) |
| 20:50.08 | enouf | SNow: is it possible the / FS is on one of the 3 outta 7 "non-recognized" disks? |
| 20:50.18 | jelly-home | dkr: hell no |
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| 20:50.41 | SNow | enouf I can make every disk recognized but only 4 of them |
| 20:50.49 | enouf | SNow: but LVM .. using devicemapper or md at all? |
| 20:50.54 | dkr | jelly-home: s/every/everyone/ |
| 20:50.56 | jelly-home | dkr: I don't want by basic fileutils to act smart. |
| 20:51.10 | jelly-home | s/by/my/ |
| 20:51.13 | SNow | enouf no I think.. |
| 20:51.41 | enouf | SNow: so you used to have hda1 ... hdg1 ? |
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| 20:51.59 | SNow | enouf No I need to have /dev/sd* for all hard drives to work! |
| 20:52.07 | SNow | I didn't remove the pci= thing |
| 20:52.08 | janttsu | how can i check which packages depend of <package>? |
| 20:52.10 | SNow | maybe I should do that? |
| 20:52.29 | SNow | jelly-home :)) |
| 20:52.36 | SNow | Found kernel: /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 20:52.37 | streuner | janttsu: /msg dpkg depends <package> |
| 20:52.38 | SNow | Updating /boot/grub/menu.lst ... done |
| 20:52.42 | enouf | SNow: yeah .. try that .. I though it only worked when hda were assigned with 2.6.8 kernel |
| 20:52.45 | abrotman | tha'ts out of date |
| 20:52.46 | streuner | janttsu: or packages.debian.org |
| 20:52.48 | SNow | It stops on "waiting for root filesystem" |
| 20:52.59 | jelly-home | abrotman: that's still better than 2.6.8 from stable |
| 20:53.05 | streuner | janttsu: or (better) apt-cache show <package> | grep depends |
| 20:53.13 | SNow | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 root=/dev/hdc1 ro |
| 20:53.36 | enouf | SNow: especially check the #kopt line in menu.lst |
| 20:54.10 | enouf | SNow: that'll feed those options listeedd to EVERY booting kernel |
| 20:54.14 | SNow | enouf the strangest thing is that I change it to /dev/sdc1 from /dev/hdc1 I do update-grub and still it backups again to /dev/hdc1 |
| 20:54.16 | g333k_work | hello, how to play streams that are designed to play in the media player just for windows? |
| 20:54.34 | janttsu | streuner: i'm not sure if i explained it right.. i don't want to know what packages are needed to install <package>. what i'm trying to find out is which packages install <package> with them |
| 20:54.35 | jelly-home | SNow: hm, do you know your way around grub command line? |
| 20:55.12 | streuner | janttsu: hm, maybe '-s' option is what you searching for |
| 20:55.27 | streuner | janttsu: via apt-get (-s) simulate |
| 20:55.32 | jelly-home | SNow: might be that bios order of hard disks is unusual and you're trying to boot from the wrong disk |
| 20:55.37 | SNow | enouf Kopt is commented out. |
| 20:55.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: define "better" :) |
| 20:55.49 | SNow | jelly-home but why the old kernel boots then? :-) |
| 20:55.52 | jelly-home | abrotman: 2.6.18 > 2.6.8 |
| 20:55.59 | abrotman | not always! |
| 20:56.06 | jelly-home | SNow: hmm. :-) |
| 20:56.20 | SNow | :)) |
| 20:56.28 | enouf | SNow: do a /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel <-- check the files noted |
| 20:57.26 | SNow | enouf I have post* things in kernel-img. |
| 20:57.43 | streuner | janttsu: packages.debian.org tells you too |
| 20:57.44 | enouf | SNow: #kopt has two ## in front? .. check the #update and any #default lines .. it's complicated ;-) depending |
| 20:57.54 | SNow | enouf # in front. |
| 20:58.01 | enouf | SNow: that is NOT commented |
| 20:58.12 | enouf | SNow: that;'s part of the Automagic options |
| 20:58.26 | enouf | one # is NOT commented in that section of menu.lst |
| 20:58.29 | SNow | enouf but if I'd change the default option to /dev/sdc and it won't boot, the old kernels won't boot either. |
| 20:58.37 | SNow | enouf so I need to put 2 ? |
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| 20:58.48 | enouf | SNow: yes .. or altere it to correct values |
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| 20:59.08 | VrilutZa | how to enable HTB/CBQ ? |
| 20:59.13 | enouf | SNow: now you know why I gave you the URL to the manual ;-P |
| 20:59.24 | SNow | enouf to boot through 'e' ? :)) |
| 20:59.33 | enouf | heh |
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| 21:00.20 | enouf | rahul: you wanna talk about silly choices when designing |
| 21:00.35 | jelly-home | SNow: btw, which grub version are you presently running? |
| 21:00.43 | enouf | ## means comment out .. and # means read .. wtf? |
| 21:00.48 | rahul | heh |
| 21:00.55 | SNow | grub (GNU GRUB 0.97) |
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| 21:01.12 | jelly-home | SNow: great |
| 21:01.19 | SNow | nice thing, I do ## before KOPT |
| 21:01.24 | SNow | then I do update-grub |
| 21:01.29 | SNow | and it comes back again to one # |
| 21:01.32 | SNow | nice huh ;-/ |
| 21:01.33 | janttsu | streuner: i only manage to check out dependencies - wrong direction. if i have f.ex. package libsmbclient, where can i see what package has installed it as it's dependency? |
| 21:01.42 | eldowan | eeyore-: How would I find if my bios is good or bad? |
| 21:01.47 | viperser | any vsftp users here that r able to fxp? |
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| 21:01.59 | jelly-home | SNow: when you reboot, does it still come up as 0.97? |
| 21:01.59 | kleinerdrache | hi there |
| 21:02.14 | SNow | jelly-home It doesn't boot to another kernel, but yes it's the same |
| 21:02.16 | kleinerdrache | I have a source.tar.gz and a patch.diff.gz file |
| 21:02.17 | buu | So.. how come when I do an apt-get source spidermonkey-bin I get xulrunner instead? |
| 21:02.23 | kleinerdrache | can I autocreate a dsc file? |
| 21:02.33 | streuner | !dsc |
| 21:02.33 | dpkg | well, dsc is Debian source control file - .dsc, This file is a control file used by dpkg-source to extract a source package, http://debid.vlsm.org/share/Debian-Doc/debian-policy/ch-controlfields.html#s-debiansourcecontrolfiles |
| 21:02.41 | jelly-home | SNow: ok. Next question... how many hdX can you access from grub? |
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| 21:02.56 | SNow | Every changes that I do goes out after update-grub |
| 21:03.00 | enouf | SNow: forget update-grub .. just boot into your new kerenl .. right after you edit the file and comment using ## |
| 21:03.31 | kleinerdrache | streuner: thanks, I'll check that link |
| 21:03.32 | enouf | SNow: the "saved defaults" or "fall over" settings may be meessing with you . and me! |
| 21:03.41 | SNow | I edit the file /boot/grub/menu.lst with ## the KOPT one, then i tried to rename /dev/hdc to /dev/sdc and then I do update-grub and it went's out |
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| 21:03.57 | jelly-home | buu: binary package spidermonkey-bin is created from xulrunner source, probably |
| 21:04.02 | enouf | don't do update-grub yet |
| 21:04.02 | SNow | every changes that I've made are gone |
| 21:04.04 | eldowan | enouf: my goal is to enable the Cool n Quiet featureset. frequency and voltage throttling based on cpu usage. |
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| 21:04.16 | enouf | eldowan: wow .. you're still alive ;-P |
| 21:04.20 | SNow | When I do update-grub it backups to the old config! |
| 21:04.28 | simonrvn | ... |
| 21:04.29 | enouf | eldowan: ok .. enable powernow in the BIOS |
| 21:04.30 | buu | jelly-home: Is there anyway for me to recreate that package? |
| 21:04.31 | eldowan | enouf: yeah, Had to take care of a user |
| 21:04.36 | simonrvn | STOP with the update-grub |
| 21:04.42 | eldowan | enouf: AAh, didn't even think to look there. |
| 21:04.42 | enouf | then install acpi, acpid, acpi-utils |
| 21:04.49 | enouf | eldowan: ^^ |
| 21:04.51 | SNow | jelly-home I need sdX not HDX with the new kernel... |
| 21:05.11 | SNow | savedefault |
| 21:05.13 | SNow | # updatedefaultentry=false |
| 21:05.20 | eldowan | enouf: I need to install the acpi* packages *after* I enable powernow in bios? |
| 21:05.25 | jelly-home | buu: just rebuild ii like usual, it'll create all its binary packages as result... if it works ;-) |
| 21:05.57 | enouf | SNow: don't ask me .. but i know it can pay a role .. just ignore it for now .. then read the manual, and after a few weeks come back and explain it all :-P |
| 21:06.01 | streuner | janttsu: apt-get remove libsmbclient |
| 21:06.06 | SNow | enouf :)))) |
| 21:06.07 | enouf | eldowan: doesn't matter |
| 21:06.09 | jelly-home | SNow: grub doesn't know about sda, sdb... or hda, hdb... it only knows about hd0, hd1... which it gets from bios |
| 21:06.14 | eldowan | enouf: dmest reports this: |
| 21:06.14 | eldowan | powernow-k8: Found 2 AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual Core Processor 3800+ processors (version 2.00.00) |
| 21:06.14 | eldowan | powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure |
| 21:06.21 | eldowan | two of the last |
| 21:06.24 | grendal_prime | ive been working on this for 2 days now |
| 21:06.25 | janttsu | streuner: thanks :) |
| 21:06.27 | enouf | eldowan: also /msg dpkg cpufreq |
| 21:06.34 | grendal_prime | fallback to a linux boot from a windows boot. |
| 21:06.36 | SNow | jelly-home so how I should tell him about sd |
| 21:06.47 | enouf | eldowan: also install sysfsutils and se /etc/sysfs.conf |
| 21:06.48 | streuner | janttsu: those which are shown are good canditates that libsmbclient had installed... |
| 21:06.57 | jelly-home | SNow: you have to figure out the correct mapping between grub hdX (0, 1...) and your IDE and SCSI drives... they should all be there |
| 21:07.06 | enouf | eldowan: you MAY want the uswsusp or suspend2 pkg as well |
| 21:07.27 | grendal_prime | aparently i need to write to the grub config to change the default back to 0 after the os starts and is up and running. Does anyone know of a windows script to write to grub? |
| 21:07.27 | SNow | jelly-home do you know the problem |
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| 21:07.31 | eldowan | enouf: acpi-utils == acpi-support? |
| 21:07.34 | SNow | that the old kernel saw only 4 disks? |
| 21:07.37 | abrotman | acpid |
| 21:07.51 | jelly-home | SNow: kernel has nothing to do with grub. |
| 21:07.53 | enouf | yes eldowan .. what's cat /proc/cmdline say? |
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| 21:08.01 | buu | jelly-home: So er, how do I rebuild it like usual? |
| 21:08.16 | jelly-home | buu: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 21:08.17 | eldowan | enouf: root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 21:08.34 | enouf | eldowan: ok .. and dmesg | grep ACPI outputs many lines? |
| 21:08.55 | eldowan | enouf: indeed |
| 21:09.01 | jelly-home | buu: it's another thing to ask why do you want to rebuild it yourself, but I'm not going there. ;-)O |
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| 21:09.17 | enouf | eldowan: what kernel .. uname -a please and cat /proc/version |
| 21:09.40 | buu | jelly-home: I'm trying to patch it. |
| 21:09.46 | eldowan | enouf: uname -a ==> 2.6.18-3-k7 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:23:11 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 21:09.58 | eldowan | enouf: version ==> Linux version 2.6.18-3-k7 (Debian 2.6.18-7) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 17:23:11 UTC 2006 |
| 21:10.01 | SNow | jelly-home how could I tell him to boot /dev/sdc not /dev/hdc ??? |
| 21:10.14 | enouf | eldowan: wow .. an SMP too .. yet you have 2x Xs or 1x X2? |
| 21:10.19 | SNow | when I do that through 'e' it gives me error21 ! |
| 21:10.24 | SNow | I'm tired |
| 21:10.25 | enouf | er .. you knwo what I mean eldowan |
| 21:10.28 | eldowan | enouf: single 3800+ DC |
| 21:10.44 | enouf | eldowan: ok .. reboot .. lol |
| 21:10.50 | SNow | 'file parsing number' |
| 21:10.52 | SNow | it gives me that error |
| 21:10.55 | jelly-home | SNow: if I were you, I'd boot into grub prompt, figure out which hdX is your boot drive, choose the new kernel and initrd and boot it manually |
| 21:11.00 | visik7 | what is the plan to have a package system that can install mixed arch packages ? like installing firefox32 on a 64bit system ? |
| 21:11.03 | enouf | your uname -r doesn't jibe with cat /prc/version |
| 21:11.08 | visik7 | is sid already capable of it ? |
| 21:11.14 | h3sp4wn | visik7: after etch |
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| 21:11.26 | enouf | doh .. sorry eldowan I;m an idiot .. |
| 21:11.28 | visik7 | h3sp4wn: but can sid do it ? |
| 21:11.34 | h3sp4wn | visik7: no |
| 21:11.34 | eldowan | enouf: thats to be expected. :D |
| 21:11.42 | enouf | eldowan: thank you ;-) |
| 21:11.42 | visik7 | so in sid after etch ? |
| 21:11.44 | streuner | !experimental |
| 21:11.44 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 21:11.50 | h3sp4wn | !multiarch |
| 21:11.50 | dpkg | [multiarch] http://wiki.debian.org/multiarch and will allow Debian many improvements like a better support for systems that can run multiple binary targets, like i386 on amd64,i386 on ia64. http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2006/05/msg00290.html |
| 21:12.00 | enouf | eldowan: upgrade to an k8 rendition .. not k7 |
| 21:12.12 | eldowan | enouf: wouldn't that require a 64bit install? |
| 21:12.12 | SNow | jelly-home I'm in the grub menu, and it was /dev/hdc and it's not /dev/sdc now! |
| 21:12.16 | SNow | it gives me the error |
| 21:12.25 | SNow | forger about the /dev/hdX I have /dev/sdX :) |
| 21:12.28 | visik7 | h3sp4wn: thanks |
| 21:12.34 | enouf | eldowan: yah .. I see your point .. but you want i686 then maybe |
| 21:12.55 | enouf | eldowan: 32bit with good SMP is i686 aafaik |
| 21:12.56 | eldowan | enouf: I've always thought for the K8 I would use K7... is this not so? |
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| 21:13.01 | jelly-home | SNow: ok. open a grub prompt. |
| 21:13.03 | lilferry | how do I set grub timeout to unlimited? |
| 21:13.27 | jelly-home | SNow: what is your /boot partition? |
| 21:13.33 | h3sp4wn | visik7: it is possible to do it in a hack like way currently (using a chroot and adding the lib dir's of the chroot to ld.so.conf) then forcing architecture but it is a pain |
| 21:13.40 | eldowan | enouf: alright, I'll install the i686 before I reboot. How would I check and see if the frequency scaling is working? see if a powernow module is loaded at boot? |
| 21:13.41 | enouf | eldowan: I haven't looked lately .. see https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html |
| 21:13.50 | visik7 | h3sp4wn: I know :) |
| 21:13.58 | enouf | eldowan: is that a laptop? |
| 21:14.07 | eldowan | enouf: no desktop |
| 21:14.07 | shao_lap | ok, how do I open a *.rar archive where archive manager tells me its password protected? (and I cant enter a password because that option is greyed out) |
| 21:14.11 | visik7 | h3sp4wn: is for this pain that I ask when it will be available |
| 21:14.20 | jelly-home | SNow: (do you have one at all?) |
| 21:14.23 | enouf | eldowan: heh .. to the URL then I guess ;-) |
| 21:14.36 | SNow | jelly-home boot prompt in the old kernel or using 'e' ? |
| 21:14.38 | h3sp4wn | visik7: you don't use anything in the chroot that way though only have it there to install the libs |
| 21:14.43 | eldowan | enouf: that URL is all about the 64bit install. |
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| 21:15.06 | enouf | eldowan: not really |
| 21:15.11 | enouf | read it |
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| 21:15.25 | SNow | jelly-home /boot partition is /dev/hdc1 thinking of the old kernel, and on the new one it should be /dev/sdc but it isn't |
| 21:15.58 | enouf | eldowan: see https://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html#id292924 <-- spec |
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| 21:16.09 | jelly-home | SNow: are you positive /dev/sdc (that is, the _whole disk_) is your new /boot? |
| 21:16.48 | SNow | not /boot / |
| 21:16.57 | grendal_prime | nobody on the fallback for grub problem? |
| 21:16.58 | SNow | it gives me error of 'waiting for new filesystem..' |
| 21:17.00 | SNow | and that's the end. |
| 21:17.03 | eldowan | enouf: yeah, I saw that. I don't see any related kernel in aptitude search linux-image |
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| 21:17.20 | jelly-home | SNow: so you don't have a partition table on /dev/sdc at all, you're just using the whole disk device? |
| 21:17.24 | SNow | jelly-home I'm not positive, I'm positive that the new kernel is not booting at all |
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| 21:17.37 | SNow | jelly No I am using partitioning, but not on /boot :) |
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| 21:17.49 | enouf | eldowan: you likely want to check cat /proc/cpuinfo to make sure both cores are seen .. also dmesg | grep CPU should yield info about CPU0 and CPU1 |
| 21:18.02 | eldowan | enouf: both cores show up. |
| 21:18.03 | Cheetah | which app makes use of the new virtualization features in the latest kernel? |
| 21:18.05 | sid | I have a "Canon MultiPASS F30" plugged into my debian laptop via usb. How can I setup this printer so I can print to it with OpenOffice.org Writer on Debian? |
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| 21:18.26 | eldowan | enouf: everything seems to work fine except the frequency scaling |
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| 21:18.54 | jelly-home | SNow: ok. So, on the new system you're trying to boot, do you have /boot or not? |
| 21:18.57 | SNow | jelly-home /dev/hdc1 was / |
| 21:18.59 | enouf | eldowan: so where is thios from--> "powernow-k8: MP systems not supported by PSB BIOS structure" |
| 21:19.27 | jelly-home | SNow: please answer the question |
| 21:19.36 | eldowan | enouf: dmesg. I think that powernow is only for the laptop CPUs. the MP stands for MultiProcessor |
| 21:19.43 | SNow | jelly-home /boot as a different partition - NO. |
| 21:19.46 | enouf | eldowan: laptop? |
| 21:19.48 | jelly-home | SNow: great. |
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| 21:19.58 | enouf | I know what MP means |
| 21:20.09 | eldowan | enouf: no. desktop. I was trying those modules from a suggestion that I look for the powernow modules. |
| 21:20.15 | enouf | I asked WHERE it cam from eldowan |
| 21:20.17 | jelly-home | SNow: what's your /, then? |
| 21:20.30 | eldowan | <eeyore-> eldowan: find /lib/module -name "powern*" |
| 21:20.39 | enouf | but that was BEFORRE enabling PowerNow in the BIOS .. yes? |
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| 21:20.44 | eldowan | enouf: dmesg. |
| 21:20.51 | eldowan | enouf: yes, I haven't rebooted yet. |
| 21:20.58 | enouf | ok .. dmesg .. was it prior? |
| 21:21.02 | enouf | ok .. REBOOT! |
| 21:21.15 | eldowan | enouf: I thought you wanted me go grab the i686 kernle |
| 21:21.18 | enouf | how ELSE are you going to change BIOS settings? |
| 21:21.25 | enouf | eldowan: no .. not yet |
| 21:21.28 | SNow | jelly-home /dev/hdc1 right now |
| 21:21.29 | SNow | :)) |
| 21:21.33 | enouf | I thought you alreeady rebooted |
| 21:21.37 | eldowan | enouf: got you. |
| 21:21.39 | SNow | On the old kernel.. :) |
| 21:21.42 | eldowan | enouf: I'm on the machine in question. |
| 21:21.43 | enouf | fuck! |
| 21:21.51 | SNow | :)) |
| 21:22.01 | SNow | jelly-home maybe more questions? |
| 21:22.02 | jelly-home | SNow: I don't care about right now. |
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| 21:22.11 | jelly-home | SNow: where is it supposed to be? |
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| 21:22.35 | SNow | ./dev/hdc1 19G 250M 19G 2% / |
| 21:22.59 | SNow | When I do reboot in the new kernel it says 'waiting for root filesystem." and that stops the boot |
| 21:23.18 | jelly-home | SNow: ok, so your new kernel is sitting on /dev/hdc1 in /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18- etc? |
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| 21:23.38 | enouf | SNow: make sure your / has a symlink to /boot/inird.new |
| 21:23.39 | SNow | I don't think it's on HDX I think it's on SDX |
| 21:23.53 | SNow | right now, I'm using the old kernel while the new doesn't boot |
| 21:23.53 | wwallace_lap | enouf: i need you |
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| 21:24.09 | SNow | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 5138432 2007-06-13 22:33 initrd.img-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 21:24.09 | enouf | wwallace_lap: are you female and over 21 ? |
| 21:24.12 | SNow | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1284883 2006-11-01 13:07 vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 21:24.15 | wwallace_lap | ha ha ha |
| 21:24.21 | enouf | :-P |
| 21:24.27 | jelly-home | SNow: which partition is that? |
| 21:24.34 | SNow | hdc1 |
| 21:24.34 | gnu_ | hi all |
| 21:24.40 | SNow | jelly-home / |
| 21:24.44 | jelly-home | SNow: so it's hdc1. |
| 21:24.47 | enouf | SNow: is that / or /boot ? |
| 21:24.59 | SNow | It's on /boot but the partition is / |
| 21:25.04 | enouf | make a symlink to /.boot |
| 21:25.04 | SNow | I don't have seperate partitionf or /boot |
| 21:25.17 | SNow | jelly-home yes, It's hdc1 on the old kernel! |
| 21:25.24 | SNow | but it does not boot. |
| 21:25.24 | enouf | make a symlink to /boot Dir |
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| 21:25.30 | SNow | enouf from where?? |
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| 21:25.34 | enouf | from / |
| 21:25.40 | SNow | what do you mean? |
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| 21:25.43 | enouf | for BOTH |
| 21:25.45 | SNow | vmlinuz is in /boot ! |
| 21:25.47 | jelly-home | SNow: if you also have hda and hdb, grub should see your hdc1 as root (hd2,0) |
| 21:25.57 | SNow | I have hda hdb hdc |
| 21:26.07 | SNow | and much more, but linux sees only 4 of them |
| 21:26.16 | enouf | in / Dir do ln -s /vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 21:26.28 | enouf | and same for initrd |
| 21:26.29 | SNow | enouf are you being serious? |
| 21:26.33 | jelly-home | enouf: dude, that's completely irrelevant |
| 21:26.35 | SNow | vmlinuz is in /boot |
| 21:26.35 | SNow | ! |
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| 21:26.52 | SNow | the symlinks are done as well |
| 21:27.05 | eldowan | enouf: back. cool and quiet was already enabled in bios |
| 21:27.09 | SNow | the thing is that in the new kernel with other drivers the hard drives are known as /dev/sdX |
| 21:27.10 | enouf | ls -l /vmlinuz* |
| 21:27.11 | enouf | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2006-07-23 21:55 /vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 21:27.13 | SNow | not /dev/hdX anymore |
| 21:27.25 | jelly-home | SNow: these are SATA drives? |
| 21:27.30 | SNow | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 25 2007-06-13 22:12 vmlinuz -> boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 |
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| 21:27.34 | SNow | jelly-home YES |
| 21:28.01 | jelly-home | SNow: do you have ANY PATA (IDE) drives too? |
| 21:28.05 | enouf | jelly-home: ya think ? |
| 21:28.18 | jelly-home | (please say no) |
| 21:28.22 | enouf | jelly-home: check out what the params in /etc/kernel-img.conf do |
| 21:28.35 | SNow | jelly-home YES I HAVE |
| 21:28.52 | SNow | there are 7 hard drives in this box |
| 21:29.03 | SNow | 3 IDE and 4 SATA. |
| 21:29.21 | enouf | SNow: did you symlink BOTH initrd and vmlinuz to /boot ? |
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| 21:29.25 | jelly-home | SNow: the current hdc on 2.6.8, is that an IDE or a SATA drive? |
| 21:29.50 | eldowan | enouf: I looked at the cpufreq factoid, but I don't have /proc/cpufreq |
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| 21:30.15 | enouf | eldowan: you're missing some pkgs then .. scroll back what I suggested |
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| 21:30.28 | SNow | enouf ofcourse |
| 21:30.33 | enouf | eldowan: unless you mean a diff Dir |
| 21:30.42 | SNow | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 28 2007-06-13 22:12 initrd.img -> boot/initrd.img-2.6.18-1-6 |
| 21:30.43 | enouf | SNow: now boot that bitch |
| 21:30.48 | eldowan | enouf: I've got acpi acpi-support acpid installed |
| 21:30.58 | SNow | jelly-home sata. |
| 21:31.06 | SNow | enouf it is not workin as I said before |
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| 21:31.09 | jelly-home | SNow: the way I see it, you have two problems. First is you don't pass the correct root= to 2.6.18 kernel, and even if you did, your /etc/fstab would be broken |
| 21:31.14 | bzed | eldowan, enouf : /proc/cpufreq is deprecated |
| 21:31.23 | SNow | jelly-home yes. |
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| 21:31.42 | jelly-home | SNow: update-grub WILL mess things up either for the old or for the new kernel. DON'T use it any more, |
| 21:31.50 | eldowan | bzed: the new place is /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpufreq? |
| 21:31.56 | bzed | yes |
| 21:31.58 | enouf | eldowan: you may need to load SPEEDSTEP |
| 21:32.03 | SNow | jelly-home ok. |
| 21:32.08 | enouf | eldowan: what's grep CENTRINO /boot/config-`uname -r` output? |
| 21:32.16 | jZed | I am trying to get a netgear wifi usb working, supposedly it is supported by acx, I installed acx and the firmware for the device, but wlan0 will not come up "no device" ... suggestions? |
| 21:32.20 | SNow | what should I use then jelly-home |
| 21:32.26 | jelly-home | SNow: please pastebin your menu.lst |
| 21:32.26 | enouf | eldowan: pastebin the results! |
| 21:32.39 | jelly-home | SNow: that is, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 21:32.52 | SNow | ok. |
| 21:32.56 | eldowan | CENTRINO=m; CENTRINO_ACPI=y; CENTRINO_TABLE=y |
| 21:33.04 | eldowan | pastebin |
| 21:33.08 | eldowan | !paster |
| 21:33.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:33.21 | SNow | http://p.data.lt/38 |
| 21:33.24 | SNow | jelly-home |
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| 21:33.34 | enouf | modprobe speedstep_centrino wwallace_lap |
| 21:33.36 | Dulichko | Hi |
| 21:33.37 | bzed | eldowan: in case you ahve a multicore cpu there should be /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq |
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| 21:34.03 | eldowan | bzed: |
| 21:34.03 | eldowan | $ cat /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/ |
| 21:34.03 | eldowan | cache/ crash_notes topology/ |
| 21:34.06 | enouf | bzed: I told him to install sysfsutils |
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| 21:34.16 | eldowan | enouf: aah, I missed that package |
| 21:34.20 | jelly-home | SNow: in lines 118 and 124, change /dev/hdc1 to /dev/sdc1 |
| 21:34.31 | enouf | eldowan: yes .. then check out /etc/sysfs.conf eldowan |
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| 21:34.37 | eldowan | enouf: sysfsutils is installed. |
| 21:35.13 | SNow | jelly-home done. |
| 21:35.26 | gnu_ | sorry, sorry, please type own command for edit ram cached |
| 21:35.36 | SNow | I did that earlier, but after that update-grub messed things up again. |
| 21:35.40 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 21:36.00 | SNow | I'm not sure is the disk sdc maybe it's sdb or whatever.. |
| 21:36.05 | Dulichko | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.16 | bzed | eldowan: are the modules powernow_k8, cpufreq_ondemand cpufreq_powersave loaded? |
| 21:36.17 | jelly-home | SNow: try rebooting. Your system should now load kernel 2.6.18, but it also should fail right after that because its /etc/fstab will be incorrect, and will try to dump you into single user root shell. this is good |
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| 21:36.38 | Knight_Lord2 | Is there any way for me to know how many PCI slots I have on my machine? |
| 21:36.39 | SNow | and what's later? |
| 21:36.49 | simonrvn | open the case |
| 21:36.50 | Knight_Lord2 | I just have ssh access |
| 21:36.56 | root1236 | please help me , i need command for edit ram cached |
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| 21:36.58 | Dulichko | can anybody help ? |
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| 21:37.12 | RichiH | Knight_Lord2: lspci might know |
| 21:37.12 | root1236 | please help me , i need command for edit ram cached |
| 21:37.14 | SNow | jelly-home and later on when I'm in the single user root shell |
| 21:37.15 | fsmunoz | jelly-home, SNow: not meaning to intrude, but if that change is definitive it would be probably better to change in in line 60 and then run "update-grub"... |
| 21:37.17 | Ronin | patience root1236 |
| 21:37.17 | jelly-home | SNow: then you change all /dev/hdc to /dev/sdc in /etc/fstab and reboot again. |
| 21:37.22 | enouf | eldowan: you rebooted ? .. maybe /etc/init.d/procps.sh restart and /etc/init.d/sysfsutils restart |
| 21:37.28 | Knight_Lord2 | RichiH I'm looking at it but i'm not sure I can figure out from it |
| 21:37.30 | jelly-home | fsmunoz: NO. |
| 21:37.43 | SNow | jelly-home maybe it's sdb ? :) |
| 21:37.43 | Dulichko | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.51 | fsmunoz | jelly-home, Any especial reason? |
| 21:37.52 | eldowan | enouf: rebooted yes. I'm assuming I should uncomment something in the /etc/sysfs.con |
| 21:37.55 | root1236 | Ronin, ok |
| 21:37.56 | sussudio | what good is knowing the number of PCI slots when you don't have physical access to the PC? |
| 21:37.56 | jelly-home | fsmunoz: update-grub will mess up 2.6.8 arguments |
| 21:37.57 | Ronin | and patience to you too Dulichko |
| 21:37.58 | SNow | fsmunoz update-grub will set it back to hdc1 again. |
| 21:38.03 | sepski | !rc.local |
| 21:38.03 | dpkg | i heard rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 21:38.05 | Ronin | :) |
| 21:38.14 | fsmunoz | jelly-home, really? didn0t knew that, I stand corrected then. |
| 21:38.18 | Knight_Lord2 | RichiH It only says that it find a PCI bridge but that's abou tit |
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| 21:38.43 | Dulichko | apt-get install rcconf ????????????????? :) |
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| 21:38.51 | enouf | !rcconf |
| 21:38.51 | dpkg | "rcconf" is, like, a frontend to the update-rc.d, or check out "sysv-rc-conf" - see these http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 and http://blogs.cyberciti.biz/hm/index.php/2005/10/27/removing-unwanted-startup-debian-files-or-services/ and ask me about <services> ...and if it's broken, try this: for a in $(ls /etc/rc?.d/???jabber) ; do rm $a ; done |
| 21:38.59 | Dulichko | WOOW :) |
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| 21:39.07 | enouf | !services |
| 21:39.07 | dpkg | [services] to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 21:39.16 | SNow | jelly-home target file system doesn't have sbin init |
| 21:39.22 | jelly-home | fsmunoz: between those kernel versions, his SATA devices change from hdX to sdX, update-grub fills the arguments for all the kernels with the same thing to it'll either get 2.6.18 wrong, or get 2.6.8 wrong |
| 21:39.29 | RichiH | Knight_Lord2: lspci -tv might help |
| 21:39.39 | crweb | I made a custom apt repo, but when i dist-upgrade my packages are always marked to upgrade. Anyone know why? |
| 21:39.40 | jelly-home | SNow: on reboot? |
| 21:39.44 | SNow | jelly-home yes. |
| 21:39.50 | fsmunoz | jelly-home, quite true, his previous kernels would stop booting. |
| 21:39.56 | jelly-home | SNow: anything before that line? |
| 21:40.00 | SNow | busybox v100 pre 10 |
| 21:40.09 | enouf | eldowan: I dunno what;s wrong .. I don't even use that stuff .. lol |
| 21:40.26 | jelly-home | SNow: hm. can you make a screenshot? :-) |
| 21:40.34 | SNow | mounting /procon/root/procfiled: |
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| 21:40.37 | SNow | no such file or directory |
| 21:40.45 | root1236 | please help :( |
| 21:40.49 | enouf | eldowan: sure .. uncomment lines .. add your own .. read man pages .. please! |
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| 21:40.52 | jelly-home | SNow: uname -a |
| 21:40.59 | SNow | jelly in busybox??? |
| 21:41.03 | jelly-home | SNow: yes |
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| 21:41.26 | SNow | Linux 2.6.18.1.686 smp |
| 21:41.38 | enouf | hah! |
| 21:41.44 | SNow | on busybox:) |
| 21:41.48 | SNow | initramfs |
| 21:41.48 | jelly-home | SNow: great, now we have to figure out where the hell is your root |
| 21:41.52 | bzed | eldowan: hmm... btw.. are you running a SMP kernel? |
| 21:41.56 | SNow | jelly-home yeah... |
| 21:42.09 | eldowan | enouf: there isn't a manpage for sysfsutils |
| 21:42.15 | brann | I want an application (a game) to use a specific keyboard map. i'm able to change it using xmodmap and play my game, but i don't know how to switch back to my default map. how can i do? |
| 21:42.15 | dserban_ | how do I get udev to re-populate /dev? |
| 21:42.16 | jelly-home | SNow: does it have fdisk? |
| 21:42.23 | eldowan | bzed: yes, 2.6.18-3-k7, both cores show up |
| 21:42.33 | enouf | SNow: where the fuck is your root?!?! O.o |
| 21:42.49 | SNow | enouf I don't fucking know where the fuck is that fuckin bastard |
| 21:42.51 | SNow | fdisk works! |
| 21:42.53 | enouf | eldowan: Oh .. man .. dlocate sysfs |
| 21:42.59 | SNow | jelly-home fdisk works ! |
| 21:43.20 | eldowan | enouf: aah. libsysfs2 |
| 21:43.21 | jelly-home | SNow: dmesg |grep sd shows anything familiar? |
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| 21:43.38 | bzed | eldowan: wait, you're running a 32bit linux on a 64bit machine? probably that's the problem. not sure though |
| 21:43.38 | enouf | sysfsutils: /usr/share/man/man1/systool.1.gz |
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| 21:43.51 | bzed | eldowan: all I can say is that it works very well for me |
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| 21:43.58 | medc | there is a way to test my NIC???? |
| 21:44.06 | dserban_ | do i just have to reboot and hope for the best? |
| 21:44.07 | root1236 | enouf, hi can help me? i need to own command for edit cache ram |
| 21:44.10 | ezguy | what is the command for monitoring disk io? |
| 21:44.19 | eldowan | bzed: hmmm. glad it works for you. :D yes I'm on a 64bit machine with 32bit software |
| 21:44.20 | jelly-home | SNow: if not, try identifying the drive with your root partition using fdisk /dev/sda, p, q, fdisk /dev/sdb, p, q, etc... |
| 21:44.20 | dserban_ | vmstat |
| 21:44.26 | ezguy | right. thanks, |
| 21:44.30 | SNow | sdc - wrong |
| 21:44.36 | enouf | you wanna read eldowan ? .. apt-get install linux-doc-2.6.18 |
| 21:44.48 | jelly-home | SNow: sdc it is not, that we already know |
| 21:44.50 | SNow | sdd - wrong |
| 21:44.59 | SNow | sda - wrong |
| 21:44.59 | jelly-home | SNow: try from the beginning. |
| 21:45.00 | eldowan | enouf: ... i'll look into it |
| 21:45.02 | SNow | sdb - right one!! |
| 21:45.08 | jelly-home | SNow: ah. |
| 21:45.08 | kleinerdrache | how can I make dpkg-buildsource making the next version instead of the allready unpacked? |
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| 21:45.12 | enouf | root1236: I don't understand that question .. and I'm tired |
| 21:45.22 | kleinerdrache | like -1.dsc I want -2.dsc .. |
| 21:45.24 | SNow | jelly-home where I have to change it now? :) |
| 21:45.42 | jelly-home | SNow: so reboot again, then edit the kernel .... line in grub to root=/dev/sdb1, and boot it |
| 21:45.49 | enouf | eldowan: online http://lxr.linux.no/source/Documentation/ see the documentation folder |
| 21:45.53 | root1236 | dear why ur not answring to the gest and keep answering to ur freand |
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| 21:45.56 | viperser | anyone use vsftp here? |
| 21:46.18 | medc | guys my repos are F*** up! anyone can help me? |
| 21:46.21 | viperser | or any ftp that able to fxp |
| 21:46.30 | enouf | root1236: my apologies .. not ignoring you .. can you restate your exact issue? |
| 21:46.30 | davi | How to install Java pluging for FireFox 2.0.1 ? |
| 21:46.35 | Ronin | medc: define messed up |
| 21:46.49 | simonrvn | root1236> enouf, hi can help me? i need to own command for edit cache ram |
| 21:46.52 | enouf | medc: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:46.59 | enouf | simonrvn: I saw that |
| 21:47.02 | enouf | :-P |
| 21:47.07 | simonrvn | wthever that means |
| 21:47.08 | jelly-home | simonrvn: whatever that's supposed to mean :-| |
| 21:47.11 | enouf | that is not very explanatory .. |
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| 21:47.17 | enouf | simonrvn: exactly |
| 21:47.26 | jelly-home | root1236: what is your native language? |
| 21:47.43 | root1236 | jelly-home, persian |
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| 21:47.48 | jelly-home | uh |
| 21:47.49 | SNow | jelly-home still the problem of 4 hards persist. Linux can find only 4 hard drives, although in BIOS i see 7, I can choose the boot priority which 4 to boot and only those 4 will work |
| 21:47.51 | SNow | other won't |
| 21:47.55 | SNow | maybe the new kernel will help us. |
| 21:48.01 | galemah | hello |
| 21:48.12 | SNow | jelly-home without update-grub ?? |
| 21:48.17 | enouf | root1236: yes ..there may be help in other language channels .. I know you've been waiting and watching, and reading ,, that's all good :-) |
| 21:48.22 | medc | Ronin, i net install it for a venezuela server...but the connection was damm slow and i try to change it like my old debian source list....the one that i dont have :( |
| 21:48.28 | jelly-home | SNow: yeah, DON'T run update-grub |
| 21:48.37 | enouf | hrmm .. root1236 .. not sure |
| 21:48.39 | medc | and now my repo are messed up |
| 21:48.43 | Ronin | medc: then definitely /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 21:48.46 | jelly-home | SNow: from busybox, you can just press the reset button |
| 21:48.52 | medc | but i am using etch |
| 21:48.54 | jelly-home | SNow: or ctrl-alt-del |
| 21:49.05 | SNow | OK. |
| 21:49.19 | jelly-home | SNow: then in grub menu press e to edit (I think) |
| 21:49.25 | enouf | root1236: are you configuring kernel? |
| 21:49.38 | root1236 | enouf, need to command for edit cache size |
| 21:49.44 | enouf | don't .. install a debain kernel :-) |
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| 21:49.47 | SNow | jelly-home I'm already booting to the old kernel, I'll change there on the 118 and 124 lines and -reboot. |
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| 21:50.02 | enouf | root1236: man vmstat, man top, man free, man ps .. |
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| 21:50.16 | root1236 | enouf, thanks Bye |
| 21:50.29 | enouf | sorry root1236 .. you seem like a dear |
| 21:50.41 | simonrvn | kthxbye |
| 21:50.45 | enouf | I jusy don't understand your question |
| 21:50.45 | davi | Is there a package on main to install Java FireFox 2.0 plugin ? |
| 21:50.50 | jelly-home | root1236: kernel handles disk cache size optimally, you don't have to mess with it |
| 21:51.01 | enouf | simonrvn: it's "plzkthxbye" ;-) |
| 21:51.07 | jelly-home | lolol |
| 21:51.26 | medc | Ronin, there is a way to test my NIC? |
| 21:51.30 | tanuki | Is there a virtual package that installs basic development tools (my debian VPS doesn't have gcc installed) |
| 21:51.41 | jelly-home | tanuki: build-essential |
| 21:51.48 | simonrvn | !lolol |
| 21:51.53 | simonrvn | !lolol jelly-home |
| 21:51.55 | enouf | | |
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| 21:51.56 | enouf | ? |
| 21:51.58 | enouf | \ |
| 21:52.02 | enouf | bah |
| 21:52.11 | simonrvn | one more and you get kicked ;p |
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| 21:52.20 | enouf | !enter |
| 21:52.20 | dpkg | The enter key is not a substitute for punctuation. Hitting enter every 3 words makes it difficult and annoying for us to follow what you're saying. Please try to type multiple sentences or phrases on a single line. (Remember, the less you annoy us, the more help you're likely to get.) |
| 21:52.22 | dr1v3r | guys if i installed something from source how can i completely remove it? |
| 21:52.26 | obo | anyone have any idea what may cause "ps ax | grep defunct | wc -l" to list 988 processes? |
| 21:52.41 | tanuki | jelly-home: Thanks... isn't there one that installs a bunch of basic utilities? |
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| 21:52.51 | jelly-home | simonrvn: wtf dude hvnt u herd of sarcasm omglolbbq |
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| 21:53.03 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 21:53.06 | streuner | obo: are you trolling? |
| 21:53.10 | tanuki | or maybe I'm confusing it with gentoo |
| 21:53.13 | dendrite | dr1v3r: That depends completely on the specifics of how it was installed. |
| 21:53.18 | obo | nope |
| 21:53.27 | obo | but how can I prove that? |
| 21:53.31 | sepski | obo, use ps, and check the PPID of all those defunct ps's |
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| 21:55.06 | Ronin | medc: test your nic to do what? |
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| 21:55.34 | pin1 | When my isp drops my connection, I have trouble getting ppp running again, I have to unplug the modem and re-plug it in. Anyone able to help? |
| 21:55.47 | jelly-home | tanuki: that's the one. If you're building kernels, you might also want libncurses5-dev. For other things, apt-get build-dep some-package will install necessary -dev packages... you have to have deb-src lines in your sources.list for build-dep to work |
| 21:55.52 | simonrvn | crappy modem? ;p |
| 21:56.03 | simonrvn | or really brutal ISP |
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| 21:56.22 | obo | sepski: which switch is that? |
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| 21:56.36 | muszek | hi... I came for a bit of cheering... I'm about to try to configure bind - someone please tell me I won't kill myself in the morning |
| 21:56.53 | jelly-home | muszek: You won't wait for the morning. |
| 21:57.09 | hatter | muszek: you will die, become a builders labourer now |
| 21:57.11 | muszek | jelly-home: you're not helping :) |
| 21:57.15 | SNow | I've booted to new kernel jelly-home it asked me to press control+d what should I do now, set up the /etc/fstab ?? |
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| 21:57.36 | simonrvn | muszek: you won't kill yourself, you'll have an inspiring dream that will help you config bind |
| 21:57.41 | pin1 | simonrvn: if I use "poff" - and then "pon" to reconnect - it's all fine |
| 21:58.11 | simonrvn | that's how you're supposed to stop/start pppd |
| 21:58.31 | muszek | would you guys recommend using webmin for it? |
| 21:58.35 | simonrvn | no |
| 21:58.41 | obo | sepski: they all seem to be PPID 1 |
| 21:58.45 | jelly-home | SNow: now that you've confirmed it boots, you can either use the shell to mount -o remount,rw /, edit /etc/fstab, mount -n -o remount,ro / and reboot again |
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| 21:58.57 | pin1 | simonrvn: yea - and I had persist and auto in the /etc/ppp/peers/*** file |
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| 21:59.03 | pin1 | but thatwas worse |
| 21:59.06 | simonrvn | obo: seems you'll need to reboot... they all lost their parent, so init took them over |
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| 21:59.21 | jelly-home | SNow: or you can reboot to your old kernel one last time and edit it without messy mount commands |
| 21:59.34 | SNow | Ok jelly-home |
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| 21:59.44 | obo | simonrvn: it does this every few weeks on this box - any ideas of what may be causing it? |
| 21:59.52 | bzed | muszek: definitely not webmind. what works well is to use gosa or something similar to write the zone information into ldap and then write you own scripts which dump them and feed them into bind. otherwise just read the bind docs |
| 21:59.54 | fsmunoz | init is like those paedo stalkers... |
| 21:59.55 | simonrvn | not enough info to say anything on it |
| 22:00.21 | obo | okay, thanks anyway |
| 22:00.22 | jelly-home | SNow: change every /dev/hdc --> /dev/sdb I guess |
| 22:00.23 | simonrvn | no, init is more like the neighbour watch people |
| 22:00.25 | medc | Ronin, because i had trouble like 1 hour ago....it havent internet connex |
| 22:00.38 | muszek | bzed: thanks, I'll do it myself then |
| 22:01.17 | enouf | SNow: you seem to have booted itno "single mode" .. perhaps a shutdown rF is in order if ext3 |
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| 22:01.18 | enouf | er shutdown -rF |
| 22:01.18 | fsmunoz | simonrvn, well, I have heard otherwise from the poor processes, it's time we stop being blind to init's gross abusses |
| 22:01.18 | simonrvn | heh |
| 22:01.18 | fsmunoz | ;) |
| 22:01.19 | SNow | jelly-home yeah I know, I will do that. |
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| 22:01.35 | enouf | heh .. wrong root? .. wya off ..wtf? |
| 22:01.51 | zoldar | hello, I have a following problem - i'm connecting through ssh to remote shell with default utf8 encoding from a system with iso-8859-x as default - what should i do/install to make it usable (there are problems with displaying various characters) ? |
| 22:01.57 | jelly-home | enouf: no, he hasn't, he got to the point where new kernel boots but fstab points to old and now nonexistent /dev/hdcX partitions, while that drive is now /dev/sdb |
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| 22:02.49 | enouf | jelly-home: I see .. well wrong /etc/fstab entires have nothing to do with Control-D shells AFAICT |
| 22:02.53 | mapez | hey i'm looking to download debian here.. I only need CD 1 and 2 correct? |
| 22:03.02 | crazy_penguin | good night to all! |
| 22:03.15 | enouf | jelly-home: he wouldn't even get that far .. |
| 22:03.16 | jelly-home | enouf: try putting wrong root device into fstab and see what happens to reboot |
| 22:03.28 | jelly-home | enouf: of course he would. |
| 22:03.40 | jelly-home | enouf: this is all expected and fine. |
| 22:03.42 | enouf | jelly-home: not ctrl-d .. UNLESS it defaults/fallsback to single-mode |
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| 22:04.06 | SNow | haha jelly-home I can't boot to the old one right now somehow it gives me kernel panic.. |
| 22:04.10 | SNow | unable to kill init. |
| 22:04.15 | SNow | I'll try with remount. |
| 22:04.22 | enouf | jelly-home: which means 2 entries in menu.lst .. unless you boot with those cmdline options |
| 22:04.39 | jelly-home | SNow: that is strange... sounds like you ran update-grub ;-) |
| 22:04.44 | enouf | heh |
| 22:04.53 | SNow | I didin't ran it :) |
| 22:05.00 | dr1v3r | ok when i type apt-cache policy php4 it shows the version of my php, but on debian it shows my old version not the new one. how can i fix this? |
| 22:05.07 | jelly-home | SNow: there should be no change to booting the old kernel if you haven't updated fstab yet |
| 22:05.13 | SNow | strange. |
| 22:06.23 | jelly-home | SNow: you didn't perchance change any other root=... lines in /boot/grub/menu.lst apart from those for 2.6.18, right? |
| 22:06.25 | enouf | SNow: update your /etc/fstab correctly, and check (very closely) on menu.lst entries, rthen shutdown -rF |
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| 22:08.10 | SNow | I'm doing the /etc/fstab thing |
| 22:08.11 | abrotman | the easy button ? |
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| 22:08.19 | SNow | right now |
| 22:08.26 | enouf | fsckewn S' // way too many to tab complete .. fsck it |
| 22:08.39 | Supaplex | !push jelly-home's buttons |
| 22:08.44 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 22:08.45 | jelly-home | enouf: sn<tab><tab> |
| 22:08.56 | enouf | Supaplex: what's the fsck option when using init 6? |
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| 22:09.11 | annoia | Does entries in /proc/net/ip_conntrack have to time out? In my firewall, sometimes some of the computers with the most connections aren't even turned on?! |
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| 22:09.21 | enouf | jelly-home: it was for SU .. thanks :-P |
| 22:09.22 | Supaplex | enouf: oh, something like touch /forcefsck ; init 6 |
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| 22:09.41 | enouf | Supaplex: right ! .. who's typoing mopre now? |
| 22:09.42 | shafire | i want to host my page here: http://www.planetarosa.com.br/the-worst-datacenter-ever/ |
| 22:09.53 | jelly-home | SNow: my machine's battery is running low, hope there'll be no more big problems |
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| 22:10.14 | Supaplex | !loose me t0pys and assuming |
| 22:10.15 | dpkg | You lose me t0pys and assuming! [and supaplex can't spell, either.] |
| 22:10.32 | enouf | !be a enouf barbie |
| 22:10.33 | dpkg | Aww, enouf is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
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| 22:10.40 | enouf | w00dy! |
| 22:10.58 | Supaplex | enouf: she's plastic. that's just.. KINKY |
| 22:11.05 | bzed | way too muvh information enouf |
| 22:11.14 | enouf | yep .. apologies folks .. |
| 22:11.33 | SNow | woohoo jelly-home 2.6.18 rulz ! :) thanks mate!! |
| 22:11.36 | SNow | you helped me alot.. |
| 22:11.39 | Supaplex | he's just... impulsivley spontaionious, that's all. |
| 22:11.49 | enouf | enouf SUCKS! |
| 22:11.49 | SNow | Have a good evening everyone. |
| 22:11.59 | wwallace_lap | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbTEVbQLC8s |
| 22:12.02 | enouf | !soot me |
| 22:12.02 | Supaplex | !comfort enouf |
| 22:12.03 | dpkg | There, there, enouf. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
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| 22:12.10 | enouf | bah someone shoot me |
| 22:12.22 | Supaplex | ~shoot enouf |
| 22:12.29 | apt | ACTION shoots enouf in the eye with a spitwad! |
| 22:12.30 | enouf | thanks dpkg .. |
| 22:12.30 | dpkg | enouf: no worries |
| 22:12.37 | enouf | owww |
| 22:12.38 | jelly-home | SNow: send chocolate this address: <censored> |
| 22:12.38 | Supaplex | HAH |
| 22:12.39 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 22:13.34 | jelly-home | abrotman: no you're not |
| 22:13.44 | abrotman | i can wish! |
| 22:14.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: I am a rock! |
| 22:14.18 | abrotman | I'd rather be a sparrow than a rock .. |
| 22:14.34 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 22:15.31 | enouf | the guy edits /etc/fstab .. and that's it .. heh .. gee I wonder why that didn't sink in the 1st thousand times .. ok .. hammertime foilks |
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| 22:16.04 | unlink | why isn't my user-specific quota persistent on the XFS /home partition? every remount the uesrs with no quota have their quotas reset to the default user quota |
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| 22:16.42 | jelly-home | enouf: it wasn't just fstab, also the whole new sata drivers going from hdX to sdX thingy |
| 22:17.07 | jelly-home | CAN'T TOUCH THIS |
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| 22:17.43 | hatter | I am suffering this issue, hdx to sdx, trying to convert a raid1 to sdx, i am not able to reassemble the raid in the chroot environment |
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| 22:18.29 | roler | i'm trying to do a bash loop, such as for i in `cat list.txt`; do echo $i; done but in this list, there are actually two columns per row seperated by a space. I want to actually do something along the lines of "for var1 var2 in `cat list.txt`; do echo $var1; echo $var2; done" but i'm not quite sure how to do it... |
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| 22:19.12 | rahul | roler: good luck |
| 22:19.27 | rahul | roler: you probably want to use something like read... |
| 22:19.40 | abrotman | roler: try #bash |
| 22:19.55 | bzed | roler: cat foo | while read i j; do....... ; done |
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| 22:20.16 | roler | bzed; wow! |
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| 22:22.53 | richjkl | oh hi #debian, I want to make it so a local user can only view his home directory with SSH, is there any easy way to do that? |
| 22:22.56 | jZed | I used module-build to build ndiswrapper but modprobe ndiswrapper reports not found ... what next? |
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| 22:23.19 | jZed | ar module-assitant build |
| 22:23.20 | stew | richjkl: no, becuase in order to view it, he needs access to /bin/ls which is outside of his home directory |
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| 22:23.54 | rahul | richjkl: no |
| 22:24.04 | rahul | richjkl: it's easier to buy him a separate computer |
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| 22:24.23 | richjkl | Well, is there any easy way to disable certain users from being able to log in via SSH? |
| 22:24.24 | aitherios | maybe this is not the place to ask but i have a problem with intel framebuffer device ( the default mode 1024x768 isnt working, i get 640x480 ) and after some googling,, nothing. Where can i ask to get some clue? |
| 22:24.27 | hatta | or virtualize one |
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| 22:24.39 | h3sp4wn | jZed: If its only scp he wants maybe you can use the scponly shell |
| 22:24.40 | abrotman | richjkl: yes .. man sshd_config |
| 22:24.42 | nn-566 | ack ! what card should i get for a pci computer |
| 22:24.51 | nn-566 | wireless? |
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| 22:24.55 | stew | richjkl: sure. what should the users be able to do if not ssh? ftp? mail? |
| 22:25.10 | nn-566 | ?? linksys |
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| 22:25.19 | nn-566 | or any thing |
| 22:25.26 | h3sp4wn | nn-566: chipset is more important than brand |
| 22:25.38 | bzed | richjkl: look into rssh |
| 22:25.54 | nn-566 | somthing that i can buy at a store |
| 22:25.58 | nn-566 | ?? |
| 22:26.01 | richjkl | abrotman: Thanks, that's exactly what I needed ;) |
| 22:26.49 | h3sp4wn | nn-566: anything says 108 Mbit will be most probably be atheros and well supported |
| 22:27.00 | GeorgeS069 | nn-566: try a belkin card |
| 22:27.08 | h3sp4wn | nn-566: 125 Mbit is probably broadcom so avoid it |
| 22:27.20 | bzed | nn-566: yeah, go with an atheros chipset, imho the madwifi driver is justr the best |
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| 22:27.57 | GeorgeS069 | I'm going to get a belkin F5D-7010 for my laptop |
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| 22:28.16 | h3sp4wn | ubiquity make the best ones but they are expensive |
| 22:28.40 | h3sp4wn | ubiquiti (sorry) |
| 22:29.08 | nn-566 | any suport for linksys? |
| 22:29.12 | nn-566 | cards |
| 22:29.33 | nn-566 | I am trying to get one in pci if possable |
| 22:29.52 | nn-566 | any ideas |
| 22:29.53 | mapez | hey i'm grabbing debian sarge right now.. i ujst need cd 1 and 2 right? |
| 22:30.08 | amphi | mapez: why not etch? |
| 22:30.32 | mapez | I deno, I'm just starting the plunge again next week.. I just figured id get sarge but yeah I can grab etch |
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| 22:31.08 | nn-566 | mapez, all you really need is a netinstall disk or a cupple of floppies |
| 22:32.00 | nn-566 | mapez the net install is the size of a mini disk |
| 22:32.02 | mapez | alright. I'm not going to get lost installing this stuff? I've got 6 months experience with ubuntu.. but that was a year+ ago. |
| 22:32.55 | hatter | is everyone in here recommending etch ? are none of the RC bugs that important ? |
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| 22:33.29 | h3sp4wn | the etch netinstall daily image didn't work at all for me earlier today (I used an old Beta 4 cd I had lying around - with no network connection during the install) |
| 22:33.42 | GeorgeS069 | mapez: I just a Etch net-install on this laptop a few days ago...it's quite simple and straight forward |
| 22:33.59 | mapez | Alright cool. Just let me find a .torrent for that bad boy. |
| 22:34.06 | GeorgeS069 | mapez: I do believe folks are recommending you use a daily build for the net install |
| 22:35.32 | mapez | Wow, I feel so stupid.. Maybe I am just blind but I can't find the daily. |
| 22:36.00 | stew | abrotman: do you ahve a source of a working opera .deb that doesn't assume you ahve /usr/X11/X11R6 ? |
| 22:36.08 | amphi | mapez: get an etch install iso |
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| 22:36.36 | mapez | I am blind and can't find it :s |
| 22:36.40 | amphi | mapez: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
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| 22:37.21 | mapez | Oh yeah uh, is 64bit any better than it was last year? Flash wise and such? |
| 22:37.30 | zinx | mapez: No |
| 22:37.33 | stew | mapez: flash wise, no |
| 22:37.49 | stew | flash continues to suck on all arches, but especially on 64 bit |
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| 22:39.06 | GeorgeS069 | Why does aptitude keep warning me about installing untrusted packages when I am using the default sources? |
| 22:39.42 | richjkl | abrotman: I added "AllowUsers root richjkl" to the end of /etc/ssh/ssh_config and did /etc/init.d/ssh force-reload (and restart), but users other than root and richjkl can still log in. Any suggestions? |
| 22:39.51 | stew | GeorgeS069: what exactly is the error? |
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| 22:40.15 | GeorgeS069 | stew: I'll make a pastebin.ca ...just a sec |
| 22:40.26 | dr1v3r | guys is there an option to restore to a previous state? i probs know what the answer is going to be like but worth a try :D |
| 22:40.42 | stew | GeorgeS069: and have you run "apt-get update" since the last time you upgraded the apt package? |
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| 22:42.38 | mapez | stew: then i guess i'll jsut take i386 :D thanks guys |
| 22:42.43 | GeorgeS069 | stew: update fixed it...thanks |
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| 22:43.54 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, I have some questions about the configuration of the file /etc/security/limits.conf : |
| 22:43.55 | Fahrenheit | - cpu - max CPU time(MIN) : the run time of an application or what ? |
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| 22:44.22 | GeorgeS069 | wow...been getting a lot of upgrades on this laptop |
| 22:44.34 | Supaplex | Linux xt 2.6.20 #1 SMP Sun Jan 27 18:55:24 MST 2007 8086 GNU/Linux |
| 22:44.39 | Supaplex | ;) |
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| 22:46.55 | hatter | I just installed mysql on a debian sarge machine but the init.d startup script is not there, will i find it somewhere else on the system ? |
| 22:47.46 | radex | hatter: in .deb, or dpkg-reconfigure -plow mysql-server |
| 22:47.58 | Supaplex | hatter: provided it's mysql-server, and not just mysql-client |
| 22:48.13 | Supaplex | hatter: dpkg -l mysql-server\* |
| 22:49.18 | hatter | supaplex: yes its mysql-server |
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| 22:49.25 | hatter | radex: thx |
| 22:49.29 | hatter | supaplex: thx |
| 22:49.35 | Supaplex | np |
| 22:49.42 | radex | hatter: n/p |
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| 22:50.51 | unlink | damn, my fonts are *so* ugly |
| 22:51.03 | unlink | even with subpixel hinting |
| 22:51.24 | unlink | why is this? |
| 22:51.30 | hatter | -plow returned this : invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found |
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| 22:53.48 | rahul | unlink: becuase you're using ugly fonts? |
| 22:54.37 | h3sp4wn | unlink: did you follow the xfree86 deuglification howto ? (very good howto) |
| 22:55.32 | radex | h3sp4wn: yeah, install xorg |
| 22:56.44 | h3sp4wn | radex: They both look crap by default |
| 22:56.47 | abrotman | stew: eh ? |
| 22:56.51 | stew | nm |
| 22:56.53 | hardcoffee | hi |
| 22:56.59 | abrotman | stew: i just removed opera .. then did the upgrade .. then reinstalled oepra |
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| 22:58.13 | richjkl | hey abrotman |
| 22:58.27 | abrotman | hi |
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| 22:58.37 | richjkl | I added "AllowUsers root richjkl" to the end of /etc/ssh/ssh_config and did /etc/init.d/ssh force-reload (and restart), but users other than root and richjkl can still log in. Any suggestions? |
| 22:58.54 | abrotman | richjkl: DenyUsers |
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| 22:58.58 | richjkl | Tried that too |
| 22:59.04 | abrotman | should do it ... |
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| 22:59.49 | hardcoffee | can i got some help : i have warcraft 3 running on wine perfectly, i can go bnet chat but when i try to join any game, the game say "port 6112 is already used" and it s dtspc who suck so how i can fix it ?? ???? |
| 22:59.51 | richjkl | could it be that I'm doing the ssh restart from ssh? |
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| 23:00.32 | fsmunoz | hardcoffee: just an idea, before starting the game do a "lsof -i :6112" |
| 23:00.50 | hardcoffee | k i try it |
| 23:01.02 | fsmunoz | Just to see if some other thing is listening there. If it isn't, no idea, never tried bnet on wine with WC3 |
| 23:02.01 | fsmunoz | hardcoffee, better to do a "netstat -antp |grep 6112" |
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| 23:02.41 | hardcoffee | no that not work :/ |
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| 23:03.10 | fsmunoz | hardcoffee, not "better", just in case you don't have lsof. lsof should be run as root btw |
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| 23:04.34 | fsmunoz | argh, I'm going to shoot this useless Belkin ADSL router :P |
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| 23:05.11 | unlink | h3sp4wn: I did not. |
| 23:05.23 | Ki11Bi11 | I'm thinking about setting up a web server with X11 running on it...should I?( maybe dns, postfix, proftp, mysql etc) |
| 23:07.19 | hardcoffee | netstat -antp |grep 6112 |
| 23:07.28 | hardcoffee | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:6112 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 2982/bnetd |
| 23:07.29 | hardcoffee | tcp 0 0 192.168.1.88:48357 213.248.106.202:6112 TIME_WAIT |
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| 23:07.56 | fsmunoz | hardcoffee, well, bnetd is the program that should be there I think ... so no idea... |
| 23:08.03 | hardcoffee | and another apllication is continu to use 6112 port :( |
| 23:08.23 | fsmunoz | hardcoffee, try to "killall -9 bnetd" and all wineservers and launching WC3 again... |
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| 23:08.50 | ben23 | if i create a startup script how do i set which user to run it as? |
| 23:08.51 | fsmunoz | After making sure that nothing appears on your netstat command |
| 23:09.43 | unlink | h3sp4wn: it's not so much the font shapes as the contrast between the fonts and their backgrousn |
| 23:09.53 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, no especial reason not to do it... most people do not need a X display manager running on servers, but having one shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 23:11.52 | Ki11Bi11 | fsmunoz, less performance, less secure? i'm being severley tempted...to stray from the debian way |
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| 23:13.24 | hardcoffee | killall -9 bnetd that great that work |
| 23:13.30 | hardcoffee | thx a lot |
| 23:13.48 | hardcoffee | what is the command -9 ? |
| 23:15.11 | unlink | k31th: unfortunately the only deuglification HOWTOs i could find are 6+ years old and don't seem to work |
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| 23:16.23 | ben23 | how can i get this to run as ben...http://pastebin.co.uk/10404 |
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| 23:16.59 | fsmunoz | hardcoffee, man kill |
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| 23:17.37 | robin_sz | ben23, well, you cant. |
| 23:17.42 | ben23 | oh |
| 23:17.46 | ben23 | why not |
| 23:17.56 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, you are mixing two different subjects now, I don't know what running X in a server and running Debian have to do with eas other |
| 23:17.57 | robin_sz | what port does it want to listen on? |
| 23:18.18 | robin_sz | and who is allowed to start things on privileged ports? |
| 23:18.24 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, in any event, having a X Display manager listening solely on localhost is not particulary insecure |
| 23:18.39 | fsmunoz | It's less secure than not running it, sure, but not a huge security gap. |
| 23:19.05 | fsmunoz | And resources, if nobody is logged in it shouldn't take any resources. |
| 23:19.36 | robin_sz | ben23, and then ... you really REALLY dont want to run it as ben anyway |
| 23:19.45 | ben23 | why? |
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| 23:19.58 | ben23 | i do want to run it as ben |
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| 23:20.04 | robin_sz | not unless you want it to screw all yor files when it gets exploited |
| 23:20.19 | robin_sz | normally you run things like that uas user 'nobody' |
| 23:20.22 | Ki11Bi11 | fsmunoz, thing was i was going to log in for remote administration of the server, jus a box no key board or monitor, I like the no resources , if nobody logged in thing |
| 23:20.27 | robin_sz | or 'nofiles' or similar |
| 23:20.36 | ben23 | ok how can i run it as nobody |
| 23:20.49 | robin_sz | do you have root access on that box? |
| 23:20.53 | ben23 | yes |
| 23:21.16 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, well, the no resources thingie is valid for most idle process. But you want to admin the server via an X session remotely, well, that could be a security risk |
| 23:21.49 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, if that means opening the XDM ports, traffic is not encripted and is overall a bad idea. |
| 23:22.27 | Ki11Bi11 | fsmunoz, yeah but i'm dithering about it, using xwinlogin with ssh port fowarding. |
| 23:22.27 | robin_sz | well ... you probably want to setuid <uid of nobody> somewher ein your script |
| 23:22.28 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, remember that you can use X apps without having an X session. "ssh -X servername" will redirect all X apps to your local X server securely |
| 23:22.41 | ben23 | thanks |
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| 23:23.04 | fsmunoz | Or something like NX client, that simualtes an X session via SSH and is much quicker |
| 23:23.12 | ben23 | btw are you saying its not very seccure to run this bot? |
| 23:23.48 | hatter | The debian sarge net-inst 3.1r4 disk, this pc has 2 hard disk that have partitions with radi1 already, the installer stops and says 'no partitionable media was found' 'please check that a hard disk is connected to this machine' |
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| 23:23.53 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, well, never used xwinlogin, but investigate if it's secure in tis communication, open ports, etc. X in that regard is just another app |
| 23:23.56 | black_13 | X server related to what is in xorg.conf |
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| 23:24.14 | robin_sz | shrug ... users running vairous ircbots seem to be a common way of them losing files and stuff ... its not exactly uncommon .. |
| 23:24.28 | ben23 | ah |
| 23:24.39 | ben23 | whats privilages does nobody have? |
| 23:24.45 | ben23 | just global? |
| 23:24.48 | Ki11Bi11 | fsmunoz, will NXt run on windoze? i have windoze development box |
| 23:24.51 | black_13 | sorry i meant to say how does the "-client" argument to Xorg related to values in the /etc/xorg.conf file? |
| 23:24.54 | robin_sz | various irc bots can be persauded to serve up almost any system file you like if you tickle them in the right way |
| 23:25.29 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11: the client runs on windows, I don't thinkthe server does... but perhaps it does via TS, not sure. |
| 23:25.54 | bzed | reminds me on some chat bots coded in php. their owners didn;t believe me until I let their computters shut down. |
| 23:26.04 | robin_sz | at least with user nobody, there should be no files owned by nobody so inthory, very little damage it can do .. except to world writebale files |
| 23:26.10 | Ki11Bi11 | fsmunoz, thanks this is helping me, at least no one screamed and fell over when i mentioned it:) |
| 23:26.12 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, it was just an idea really, as long as you weight the open ports/wire security yourself any solution is equally adequate. |
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| 23:26.37 | karsten | What's the maximum PID under Linux 2.6? |
| 23:26.44 | fsmunoz | Ki11Bi11, ehe, yw |
| 23:26.48 | bzed | robin_sz: although there're more and more services runnign as nobody, I prefer to create one restricted user per service |
| 23:27.20 | karsten | /proc/sys/kernel/pid_max suggests 32768. |
| 23:27.24 | ben23 | that what i was going to do |
| 23:27.29 | robin_sz | bzed, indeed, i was trying ot keep it simple for him |
| 23:27.32 | ben23 | can i do this? |
| 23:27.34 | ben23 | setuid 1009 |
| 23:27.38 | robin_sz | sure |
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| 23:28.00 | ben23 | etc/init.d/irc: line 6: setuid: command not found |
| 23:29.41 | ben23 | robin_sz:do you know why this doesnt work then |
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| 23:31.00 | bzed | karsten: 32768 normally, 4096 if you've configured CONFIG_BASE_SMALL |
| 23:31.50 | robin_sz | ben23, ahh, pooh thats the Perl command, I think its setuidgid in BASH |
| 23:32.07 | bzed | ben23: su << try that |
| 23:32.18 | ben23 | i tried su |
| 23:32.20 | ben23 | i didnt work |
| 23:32.20 | robin_sz | su will work ... if run as root |
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| 23:32.31 | robin_sz | #su nobody |
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| 23:32.36 | ben23 | no error just no change |
| 23:32.36 | bzed | well |
| 23:32.50 | bzed | you can't change your userid to a different user if you're not root |
| 23:33.12 | bzed | you start your service as root and drop your privileges |
| 23:33.20 | robin_sz | zackly |
| 23:33.31 | robin_sz | thats why I asked if he had root access on that box |
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| 23:33.39 | ben23 | i do start as root |
| 23:33.49 | karsten | bzed: Do you know if it can be made larger? |
| 23:33.54 | Raffaello | are there any user to use airties rt102 from usb |
| 23:33.55 | ben23 | it works just not in the startup scrit |
| 23:34.01 | ben23 | *script |
| 23:34.04 | richjkl | Is there a way to make a command that continues to execute even if the user who executed it logs out? |
| 23:34.20 | karsten | bzed: AIX f'rex seems to allow tens of thousands of entries (like > 60k on one system here, mostly a hung system-monitoring daemon's zombies). |
| 23:34.23 | ben23 | bg |
| 23:34.36 | ben23 | richjkl:bg |
| 23:34.48 | robin_sz | ben23, just examine on of the other scripts in init.d ... |
| 23:34.56 | bzed | + disown |
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| 23:34.57 | ben23 | i have none of them do it |
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| 23:35.17 | bzed | karsten: edit /include/linux/threads.h - no clue if there's any other way. although 2.6 kernels should allow more pids if I remember right... hmmmm |
| 23:35.39 | bzed | karsten: well it says PID_MAX_DEFAULT.... |
| 23:36.13 | bzed | karsten: hal:/proc/sys/kernel# echo 1000000 > pid_max |
| 23:36.17 | bzed | works |
| 23:36.28 | luisjose | !dpkg java |
| 23:36.44 | predder | !java |
| 23:36.44 | dpkg | Java is Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun partially released java as GPL on Nov 13, 2006 (rest expected to be released in 2007). There are other implentations available in Debian such as 'free-java-sdk' for use with applications like Eclipse. The Sun JRE/JDK is in etch/sid in non-free. Ask me about <install java>. |
| 23:37.01 | bzed | karsten: kernel.pid_max = 12345678 <<< put that line into /etc/sysctl.conf if you want to ahve that setting again after a reboot |
| 23:37.15 | ben23 | robin_sz:could it be DAEMON=/usr/sbin/proftpd |
| 23:37.38 | karsten | bzed: man proc(5) |
| 23:37.38 | ben23 | or PIDFILE=/var/run/proftpd.pid |
| 23:38.00 | karsten | bzed: "On 32-bit platfroms, 32768 is the maximum value" |
| 23:38.18 | karsten | bzed: ... "On 64-bit systems, pid_max can be set to any value up to 2^22 (PID_MAX_LIMIT, approximately 4 million)." |
| 23:38.25 | bzed | karsten: well, I'm on 64bit :P |
| 23:38.34 | karsten | bzed: Mostly same here. |
| 23:38.42 | karsten | bzed: I've got ~2000 Linux cores here. |
| 23:38.53 | robin_sz | ben23, most of the scripts use the start/stop daemon thing ... which is an iclude fromt the other scripts .. however, i would have expected the setuidgid thing to work ... |
| 23:38.54 | bzed | karrotx: although I never managed to reach that limit |
| 23:38.57 | black_13 | oops i meant -screen |
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| 23:39.18 | bzed | robin_sz: hmm, that's not a bash command afair |
| 23:39.25 | ben23 | bash: setuidgid: command not found |
| 23:39.35 | karrotx | karrotx != karsten |
| 23:39.55 | bzed | with a smelly tout btw |
| 23:39.58 | bzed | trout |
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| 23:40.12 | Supaplex | !trout bzed |
| 23:40.13 | robin_sz | bzed, isnt it just su in bash then? |
| 23:40.28 | bzed | robin_sz: it is. |
| 23:40.37 | ben23 | it doesnt work though |
| 23:40.39 | bzed | but su is an external command |
| 23:40.44 | robin_sz | bzed, ahh, setuidgid is part of daeminetools ... the DJB madness I inherited :( |
| 23:41.03 | fsmunoz | Yes, aalso available in "runit" |
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| 23:41.09 | fsmunoz | as "chpst" |
| 23:42.13 | bzed | hal:~# su -c "id -a" - bzed |
| 23:42.13 | bzed | uid=1000(bzed) gid=1000(bzed) |
| 23:42.13 | bzed | ben23: && |
| 23:42.13 | bzed | ^^ |
| 23:42.16 | ben23 | lol |
| 23:42.25 | robin_sz | I thik people would have noticed if the su command stopped working :) |
| 23:42.31 | bzed | for sure :D |
| 23:43.20 | ben23 | so to change to ben i need to type ~#su -c 1003(ben) gid 1003(ben) |
| 23:43.43 | bzed | karsten: want to send me some of your machines :D |
| 23:43.44 | bzed | :P |
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| 23:43.58 | bzed | ben23: no. read again |
| 23:44.02 | ben23 | i mean ~# su 0c "1003 -a" |
| 23:44.09 | bzed | no |
| 23:44.12 | bzed | man su |
| 23:44.15 | bzed | read that :_) |
| 23:44.15 | ben23 | i mean ~# su -c "1003 -a" |
| 23:44.18 | bzed | no |
| 23:44.28 | ben23 | can you just type it |
| 23:44.31 | ben23 | please |
| 23:44.37 | robin_sz | or exec -a ben <file> ?? |
| 23:44.51 | ben23 | thanks |
| 23:44.53 | bzed | su -c "yourprogramm -param1 -param2" - ben |
| 23:44.58 | karsten | bzed: Sure. You can have the ones that keep crashing ;-) |
| 23:45.21 | bzed | karsten: if they crash because of software problems, no problem :P |
| 23:45.24 | ben23 | ah |
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| 23:46.10 | k-man | does dcc work across NAT |
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| 23:46.58 | robin_sz | ben23, but ... just remember, google finds 21,700 pages with the words 'supybot' and 'exploit' in them ... ;) |
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| 23:47.17 | robin_sz | thats a high-ish sort of number :) |
| 23:47.27 | ben23 | shit |
| 23:47.30 | mike1 | hell |
| 23:47.32 | karsten | bzed: ;-) |
| 23:47.37 | ben23 | you got a spare botserver |
| 23:47.38 | mike1 | poo |
| 23:47.59 | mike1 | ok where is debian 4.0? |
| 23:48.10 | robin_sz | mike1, behind the sofa? |
| 23:48.11 | mike1 | who stole it |
| 23:48.19 | UstasW | Hello |
| 23:48.20 | UstasW | no |
| 23:48.26 | mike1 | ok i will look |
| 23:48.36 | robin_sz | and? |
| 23:49.09 | hatter | having trouble d/w'ing the latest ethc snapshot, anywhere else i can get it besides debian.org ? |
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| 23:49.10 | GeorgeS069 | damn...google found even more for 'eggdrop exploit' |
| 23:49.10 | ben23 | so this should work |
| 23:49.11 | mike1 | etch has been so solid so why the big 'hold up? |
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| 23:49.12 | ben23 | su -c "ben supybot /home/irc/bot23.conf" - ircbot |
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| 23:49.52 | robin_sz | nope |
| 23:50.15 | ben23 | apart from the ben |
| 23:50.28 | bzed | why don't you read what we write? |
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| 23:51.11 | bzed | su -c "supybot /home/irc/bot23.conf" - ircbot |
| 23:51.26 | ben23 | ok |
| 23:51.28 | ben23 | thanks |
| 23:51.30 | ben23 | what works |
| 23:51.32 | ben23 | thaty |
| 23:51.34 | ben23 | *that |
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| 23:52.10 | robin_sz | now ... now I really, really am bgininning to regret this ... |
| 23:52.11 | amphi | !tell ben23 about enter |
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| 23:52.33 | bzed | robin_sz: no, now you want to figure out where this supybot lives ;) |
| 23:52.49 | bzed | !ping |
| 23:52.49 | dpkg | pong |
| 23:52.51 | bzed | hmm |
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| 23:53.26 | robin_sz | bzed, well 203.206.161.142 is one end ... |
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| 23:53.41 | bzed | robin_sz: haha :D |
| 23:54.06 | Lode | hello, I have a Debian Sarge with a 2.6.19.2 kernel installed. I am trying use the page layout software "Scribus", but the only available version in the default repository is a 1.2.1 version which is from January 2005. The Scribus team is now working on a 1.3.7 version, which I would like to install. On their website, I found repository addresses (deb http://debian.scribus.net/debian/ testing main non-free contrib), but using the packages |
| 23:54.06 | Lode | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:54.36 | amphi | !tell Lode about sarge->etch |
| 23:54.58 | bzed | Lode: yes. you need more recent libs to run recent scribus versions. time to upgrade :) |
| 23:55.04 | bzed | !tell bzed about sarge->etch |
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| 23:55.32 | bzed | (not that I'd need it) |
| 23:56.18 | k-man | is there some way to run dhcpclient in a test mode that does not change the current settings? |
| 23:56.32 | Lode | bzed, will that affect the stability of my system ? Delete some installed software, or alter their parameters ? |
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| 23:59.07 | stew | k-man: you mean dhclient? |
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| 23:59.07 | k-man | stew, oh, yes |
| 23:59.09 | bzed | Lode: etch will be released soon, there're still a fwe bugs, but it should just work well for you. it never deletes software without asking you, there'll be some packages deleted, though, which were replaced by different ones. the update is definitely worth the work |
| 23:59.17 | stew | k-man: by editing /etc/dhclient-script |