| 00:01.12 | rpc | they even have a dev mailing list so what's wrong with that? |
| 00:01.12 | Wyzard | runixd: You're setting up a bunch of virtual servers, right? |
| 00:01.12 | runixd | Wyzard: thats right |
| 00:01.12 | Wyzard | runixd: For business purposes or personal use only? |
| 00:01.12 | rpc | i tried vserver once but wasn't able to setup it |
| 00:01.15 | AussieHatter | I love virtualisation. can't wait for thin clients to rule the world and vm's managed from server. |
| 00:01.16 | runixd | well, for a free service |
| 00:01.27 | runixd | AussieHatter: won't happen I think |
| 00:01.32 | Wyzard | runixd: Will it be used by people other than you? |
| 00:01.57 | rpc | AussieHatter i work on a remote virtual XP box over rdp as we speak :) box is like 1500 miles away and i can hardly see any difference :) |
| 00:01.59 | runixd | Trusted Computing relies on virtualization as a mean for task separation, so in few years we will all be running that |
| 00:02.04 | runixd | Wyzard: yeah, mostly |
| 00:02.15 | rpc | just a little latency on menus |
| 00:02.25 | Wyzard | runixd: then you can't legally use those packages for more than "a reasonable period (that is, normally for a few weeks) to evaluate the Product" |
| 00:02.49 | michela | hi, could someone advise or point me at how to downgrade an apache package (2.2 has wiped out my mysql auth settings and no fix yet) |
| 00:02.49 | runixd | Wyzard: what packages, the vbox ? |
| 00:02.50 | Wyzard | runixd: unless it's for an academic institution -- they make an exception for that |
| 00:02.55 | Wyzard | runixd: right |
| 00:03.01 | Wyzard | runixd: http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/VirtualBox_PUEL |
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| 00:03.15 | AussieHatter | rpc, thats great, i have them around the place also |
| 00:03.32 | runixd | wtf |
| 00:03.42 | runixd | you can't just multi license it |
| 00:03.50 | runixd | if it's gpl it is gpl, full stop |
| 00:04.03 | runixd | hmm, thanks either way, back to xen I guess |
| 00:04.04 | Wyzard | runixd: You could compile it from source, though -- the code in the Subversion repository is "functionally equivalent to the full VirtualBox package, except for a few features that primarily target enterprise customers" |
| 00:04.10 | Ubuh-Huntuh | my ISP wants to rebuild my server and install it with CentOS. I had Fedora core 1 on it before. Does anyone know if CentOS is better (more stable) than Fedora? |
| 00:04.13 | Wyzard | runixd: Yes they can -- they're the original copyright holder |
| 00:04.23 | stew | runixd: i certainly can dual license code i've written as gpl and something else |
| 00:04.30 | Wyzard | runixd: The GPL's redistribution requirement only applies to *re*distribution... MySQL does the same thing as vbox here |
| 00:04.40 | AussieHatter | ubuh-huntuh: this is #debian |
| 00:04.46 | runixd | well, my sql is mysql |
| 00:04.56 | runixd | on their web page they say that vbox is the community efford |
| 00:05.13 | stew | Ubuh-Huntuh: please go to ##linux for comparison of various distros |
| 00:05.23 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ij |
| 00:05.25 | runixd | VirtualBox is a community effort backed by a dedicated company: everyone is encouraged to contribute while InnoTek ensures the product always meets professional quality criteria. |
| 00:05.26 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ok |
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| 00:05.59 | rpc | they have great support on irc and that counts too |
| 00:06.04 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: CentOS is basically Red Hat Enterprise Linux with the Red Hat trademark stuff removed |
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| 00:06.14 | Ubuh-Huntuh | ah ok |
| 00:06.16 | rpc | most of my questions were answered in real time and with great care |
| 00:06.20 | Wyzard | Ubuh-Huntuh: It's probably more appropriate for a server than Fedora, but #debian isn't the place to discuss it |
| 00:07.38 | Ubuh-Huntuh | kk |
| 00:08.04 | Mark_Iron | Linux rc4p5b 2.6.20-6-386 #2 Wed Jan 31 20:48:57 UTC 2007 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:08.40 | abrotman | cat /proc/version |
| 00:09.06 | runixd | uname -a |
| 00:09.17 | abrotman | i know what it is .. that's what i'm asking for |
| 00:09.34 | runixd | ohh, I didn't realize you had a discussion |
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| 00:09.39 | runixd | was just playing along |
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| 00:10.56 | AussieHatter | so what was the outcome of that discussion ? vbox cannot be used freely unless compiled from svn ? |
| 00:10.58 | quique- | hi everybody |
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| 00:11.11 | William1 | hi all |
| 00:11.15 | runixd | AussieHatter: stick with xen basically |
| 00:11.19 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: Unless it's for personal or educational use, yes |
| 00:11.24 | runixd | hello quique- |
| 00:11.25 | AussieHatter | cool |
| 00:11.27 | William1 | EXOTICS ADULT FORUM :::::::: http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
| 00:11.31 | AussieHatter | xen it is. |
| 00:11.47 | runixd | ohh, very cool, lets check exotic adult forum |
| 00:12.07 | AussieHatter | but i will keep an eye on vbox, rpc :) |
| 00:12.31 | runixd | AussieHatter: I guess it depends on what you need, for home use vbox might as well be alot better |
| 00:12.48 | Wyzard | hehe... I just received a USB-to-serial adapter (which I ordered a few days ago) in the mail, and it actually specifically mentions Linux compatibility on the box |
| 00:13.32 | AussieHatter | runixd: at the end of the day, once xen is setup and imaged and does its job, then it will be left alone |
| 00:13.34 | abrotman | uhm ... isn't it just a bunch of pins ? |
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| 00:13.53 | GNP | well now that my connection problem is fixed only $variable amount left to get it running lol |
| 00:13.55 | runixd | next we'll be getting linux compatibe mice |
| 00:13.58 | AussieHatter | abrotman: the plastic is linux compatible |
| 00:14.09 | runixd | GNP is a bot ? |
| 00:14.25 | zenwryly | I'd love to get sleep/suspend working on my desktop machine, but I don't even know what to check for in terms of hardware support. Any suggestions? |
| 00:14.31 | pickcoder | Wyzard: what are you using it for? |
| 00:14.33 | Wyzard | abrotman: No, it's a USB device that implements an RS-232 interface |
| 00:14.37 | GNP | hehe no |
| 00:14.47 | GNP | just trying to set up a home server |
| 00:14.48 | pickcoder | abrotman: are you using class 1.0 fax for recv? |
| 00:14.57 | Wyzard | abrotman: USB and RS-232 are completely different protocols so it can't just be a passthrough |
| 00:15.02 | zenwryly | when I try s2ram -f I get a problem with md0_resync not stopped |
| 00:15.07 | eldowan | zenwryly: I would immagine it would have to be fairly recent HW, but anything with ACPI support should work IIRC |
| 00:15.30 | delire | zenwryly: try the acpi-support package. and then have a poke around if that fails to give you suspend. |
| 00:15.33 | Wyzard | pickcoder: Nothing specific... I just figured it'd be a good thing to have since neither my laptop nor my new desktop have serial ports, and it was cheap |
| 00:15.34 | eldowan | Wyzard: like a keyspan usb<-> rs232? |
| 00:15.42 | pickcoder | I'm trying to figured out why these multi-techs will only do class 2 |
| 00:15.43 | abrotman | pickcoder: i think so .. but it's internal at work .. can't reach it from here |
| 00:15.44 | Muisje | I just downloaded and upgraded libapache-mod-php4 but its failing |
| 00:16.01 | Wyzard | eldowan: Rosewill, actually, but it's the same sort of thing afaik |
| 00:16.02 | Muisje | doesn't add the so. (or: Doesn't compile (correctly).) |
| 00:16.10 | zenwryly | delire: ok I'll start there |
| 00:16.11 | pickcoder | the new one I just got in will do 1, 1.0 ,and 2. 1.0 works the best with Hylafax |
| 00:16.17 | zenwryly | eldowan: yeah, it's pretty recent |
| 00:16.28 | zenwryly | eldowan: athlon 64 |
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| 00:16.47 | pickcoder | Wyzard: as long as the software you plan to use doesn't do interrupt polling the USB pass-through mode should work |
| 00:17.01 | eldowan | Wyzard: FYI, I've got about 15 of the keyspan adapters, and they come with linux drivers, though I don't know if they are open or proprietary... |
| 00:17.28 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I'm not sure what you mean about USB passthrough mode |
| 00:17.33 | eldowan | zenwryly: you should be supported, I would check the acpi-support packages like delire mentioned. I haven't done anything with sleep/suspend. |
| 00:17.42 | Wyzard | eldowan: I just plugged it in and I have a /dev/ttyUSB0 now |
| 00:17.44 | zenwryly | eldowan: k, thanks |
| 00:17.56 | Wyzard | eldowan: stock 2.6.18-4-amd64, no special drivers |
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| 00:18.00 | eldowan | Wyzard: aah, sorry, i must have jumped in the middle of the conversation and made the backstory up. |
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| 00:18.15 | abrotman | Muisje: what's the error ? |
| 00:18.24 | AussieHatter | wow. I setup s/w raid1 on this p4-3.3 with 2x 200gb sata drives and the initial mirroring on the 180gb partition has taken over 12 hours and is only at around 80% |
| 00:18.43 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: Wow indeed... that should not take that long |
| 00:18.47 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: Lack of DMA maybe? |
| 00:18.52 | pickcoder | Wyzard: the convertor takes tx and rx and feeds the data through as raw bits |
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| 00:19.16 | AussieHatter | wyzard: i am think this also, but don't want to interrupt it and check with hdparm in case it barfs |
| 00:19.18 | pickcoder | based on the "serial" mode |
| 00:19.32 | Muisje | abrotman i have no idea. All i know is my apt-get install isn't doing what its suppose to |
| 00:19.35 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: Checking the drive's status with hdparm shouldn't hurt anything |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | Muisje: show us the log/error |
| 00:20.05 | pickcoder | if you have a program that expects a hardware interrupt to poll, then it won't work |
| 00:20.07 | enouf | AussieHatter: seen sdparm? |
| 00:20.26 | AussieHatter | enouf: no, specifically for sata ? |
| 00:20.32 | Wyzard | pickcoder: What would that be useful for? |
| 00:20.32 | AussieHatter | i will check it out |
| 00:20.39 | enouf | SCSI .. check it .. |
| 00:20.39 | eldowan | I just did a re-install to a new HDD and copied my /home/* directories over. I'm so glad it just workes after the packages are installed. :D :D |
| 00:20.41 | pickcoder | erm.. sampling? |
| 00:20.44 | Muisje | well i did: apt-get install libapache-mod-php4 (got no errors but mod_php.so does not exist.) |
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| 00:20.51 | pickcoder | sync |
| 00:20.53 | Muisje | php4( |
| 00:20.54 | pickcoder | lots of things |
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| 00:21.13 | abrotman | Muisje: are you using apache1 or 2 ? |
| 00:21.18 | Muisje | 1.3 |
| 00:21.27 | eldowan | AussieHatter: I believe sdparm is specifically for scsi devices, and hdparm is specifically for IDE devices. |
| 00:21.41 | Wyzard | pickcoder: My use would be plain old RS-232 communication, like 9600 8-N-1 or whatever |
| 00:21.54 | abrotman | Muisje: so where's the error ? how do you know it's not working ? |
| 00:21.55 | Wyzard | pickcoder: Transferring files to and from an HP48 calculator, for example |
| 00:22.23 | zenwryly | hmm, I'm still getting the error about md0_resync during "stopping tasks" when doing acpitool -s |
| 00:22.26 | pickcoder | Wyzard: that's fine as long as the device drivers don't rely on an IRQ and hardware address |
| 00:22.45 | pickcoder | most raw serial programs do |
| 00:22.46 | AussieHatter | cool, i didnt know about it. thks, this machine is now compiling a xen kernel as well as doing the snail speed md sync, so i htink i should wait |
| 00:22.51 | eldowan | zenwryly: you've got a raid array? |
| 00:22.53 | zenwryly | my boot disk is a RAID 1 array |
| 00:22.54 | zenwryly | yeah |
| 00:22.58 | AussieHatter | b4 checking hd speed |
| 00:23.02 | pickcoder | which is why many people buy them and end up throwing them across the room several times |
| 00:23.10 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: etch has Xen kernels already packaged |
| 00:23.19 | zenwryly | eldowan: does that mean I can't do it? Or is there someway to workaround that? |
| 00:23.36 | Muisje | apache is failing to display php pages because it cannot address the path given in modules to mod_php.so |
| 00:23.41 | eldowan | zenwryly: Haven't the slightest, never had a chance to play with raid and linux. :/ sorry bud |
| 00:23.51 | AussieHatter | wyzard: hmmm, i haven't u/g to etch yet, was planning to wait until release |
| 00:24.07 | zenwryly | eldowan: well thanks for the thought |
| 00:24.17 | AussieHatter | do the prepackaged kernels contain iptables and quota ? |
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| 00:24.29 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: The prepackaged kernels contain pretty much everything |
| 00:24.54 | AussieHatter | I am feeling like i should be using etch.... |
| 00:25.11 | Wyzard | If it's a critical server then it's best to wait, but otherwise, it'd be a good idea to upgrade |
| 00:25.15 | dav__ | i have a weekly build debian (last week) but my wireless card isn't found at boot but i can see it with lspci how can i make it detected ? |
| 00:25.17 | AussieHatter | RC bugs are down to less than 100 i think now ... |
| 00:25.19 | CakerX | not my day |
| 00:25.22 | abrotman | Muisje: reinstall the package |
| 00:25.24 | CakerX | I just blew the CPU on my server |
| 00:25.32 | CakerX | didn't notice the fan was stuck |
| 00:25.33 | CakerX | went to diner |
| 00:25.34 | AussieHatter | it is a critical server, it will be shipped 1000' k's away |
| 00:25.35 | CakerX | and bam |
| 00:25.40 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: 109 as of a few hours ago |
| 00:25.51 | Muisje | did that, no difference. |
| 00:26.03 | Muisje | i assume package broken (using testing) |
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| 00:26.27 | AussieHatter | cakerx: buy mobo with fan sensor in the future |
| 00:26.30 | Muisje | guess i'll just "downgrade" :) |
| 00:26.33 | abrotman | Muisje: apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4 |
| 00:26.33 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: It's probably safe anyway, if you know what you're doing |
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| 00:27.02 | AussieHatter | wyzard: ah, one problem was raid1 support with udev, it was still an rc bug a few days ago |
| 00:27.24 | pickcoder | AussieHatter: you're shipping a critical server with softRAID? |
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| 00:27.39 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: might be simplest to just wait awhile until etch is released, if possible |
| 00:27.57 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: since it seems like a waste to compile a custom Xen kernel when etch is around the corner :-) |
| 00:28.00 | AussieHatter | pickcoder: why does everyone say that ? I haven't had any problems with s/w raid, has anyone here ? |
| 00:28.19 | Wyzard | pickcoder: I haven't heard of Linux software RAID having reliability issues |
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| 00:28.34 | Pryon | and pretty good performance numbers too |
| 00:28.42 | pickcoder | hey.. it's not my responsibility so do what you want |
| 00:28.51 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:28.56 | Wyzard | performance probably isn't as great as hardware RAID, but if performance isn't critical I don't see anything wrong with it |
| 00:29.15 | quitte | hi. what is the correct way to set something like route add -net x.x.x.x/24 gw y.y.y.y? i cant find anything like that in the interfaces manpage |
| 00:29.15 | pipeline | eldowan: No, not really. |
| 00:29.26 | AussieHatter | pickcoder: I appreciate commments of course, If there was a problem i will change to hardware raid instantly, but I am not aware of any problems or reasons not to use s//w raid, seems like a good ide to me |
| 00:29.27 | runixd | everyone underestimates software raid |
| 00:29.28 | pipeline | eldowan: As long as you have a pentium II-class system, software RAID is a negligible CPU usage |
| 00:29.33 | eldowan | pipeline: aah, that was why there was a ? at the end. |
| 00:29.43 | pickcoder | I don't underestimate it.. I loathe it from bad experiences |
| 00:29.50 | eldowan | I guess if you have no budget(like me) SW raid beats nothin; |
| 00:29.51 | dav__ | how can i compil just ONE module ? |
| 00:29.52 | runixd | works just fine for anything but performance critical systems |
| 00:29.53 | pipeline | eldowan: two RAID-5 arrays on a PII 400 hits about 20% CPU usage :P |
| 00:29.55 | AussieHatter | pickcoder: what are they ? |
| 00:29.55 | Agrajag- | AussieHatter: haha does your nick have anything to do with the aussie-hatters site that got taken down? |
| 00:29.56 | pickcoder | drives just disappear |
| 00:30.00 | pipeline | eldowan: Software RAID tends to be faster than hardware RAID |
| 00:30.08 | runixd | we used to run software raid in production environment at some point |
| 00:30.12 | pickcoder | non-spares end up spares by themselves |
| 00:30.13 | eldowan | pipeline: that is good to know. CPU usage and HW :D |
| 00:30.23 | pipeline | there are two reasons not to use software raid: no battery-powered write cache, unpleasant to boot from |
| 00:30.24 | AussieHatter | Agrajag- : no , haven't heard about it |
| 00:30.31 | pickcoder | when it's been out for a few years more I may consider it |
| 00:30.45 | pickcoder | I still prefer to allocate a few hunder $ for a real controller |
| 00:30.52 | pickcoder | ~hundred |
| 00:31.01 | pipeline | So do I. Real controllers have more ports :) |
| 00:31.18 | pipeline | It is not uncommon to configure a megaraid as a dumb controller in order to use software RAID :) |
| 00:31.21 | Agrajag- | AussieHatter: ahah well these dumb arse racists made some site at http://aussie-hatters.bebo.com/ (down now).. clearly they meant aussie hater |
| 00:31.31 | quitte | hw raid was a pain to me,too. i configured to logical volumes and it was impossible to remove only one of them later |
| 00:31.32 | quitte | s/to/two |
| 00:31.34 | pipeline | Agrajag-: hatters are way more extreme, yo |
| 00:31.42 | AussieHatter | pickcoder: unpleasnt to boot from ? if a drive fails, you reboot and tell grub to boot from the other drive |
| 00:31.56 | pickcoder | AussieHatter: I didn't say that |
| 00:32.01 | eldowan | pipeline: I couldn't even get the megaraid to work as a dumb controller on this stupid compaq server I inherited. :< |
| 00:32.09 | Wyzard | grr... can't find my HP48 serial cable |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | eldowan: use sarge with a 2.4 |
| 00:32.15 | pickcoder | but.. yes.. embedding in the initrd does make it a pita later if you need to remove it |
| 00:32.29 | eldowan | abrotman: tried that. didn't work |
| 00:32.42 | predder | AussieHatter, you don't even have to do that if you set up both mirrors as hd0 in devices.map |
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| 00:32.52 | eldowan | abrotman: I believe you tried to help me with it some months back. I ended up just sticking windows back on it. |
| 00:33.00 | Muisje | abrotman does portmap daemon suppose to take forever to start when ram is added? |
| 00:33.01 | AussieHatter | Agrajag-: AH. gr8. sounds like dumb asses. |
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| 00:33.21 | GNP | someone should make a nix webserver install for n00bs |
| 00:33.21 | eldowan | abrotman: it would take 8 hours to try to make the array, and then freeze in the middle. barring that, it wouldn't boot on a successful install. |
| 00:33.32 | GNP | I could really use it lol |
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| 00:33.39 | SpaceFrog | How should I partition a drive when I'm installing Debian as a Webserver and MySQL server? |
| 00:33.42 | predder | GNP, I think the debian install is incredibly simple.. |
| 00:33.44 | eldowan | GNP: aptitude install apache |
| 00:33.49 | eldowan | GNP: set up and going. :D |
| 00:33.51 | quitte | isnt there something better than running route as a post-up command? |
| 00:33.53 | pickcoder | GNP: the guiinstaller for Etch is quite easy to use to setup Apache |
| 00:34.00 | AussieHatter | predder: oh yeah, even better |
| 00:34.30 | pickcoder | I'm out.. bbl |
| 00:34.37 | GNP | not tried etch but have been trying with little to no luck |
| 00:34.56 | eldowan | SpaceFrog: are you planning on a large web-server tree? or a large DB? or both? |
| 00:35.26 | SpaceFrog | the DB would be fairly large |
| 00:35.41 | runixd | SpaceFrog: there is nothing special if it is a simple webserver, consider having a partition for the website with non exec flags etc |
| 00:35.44 | AussieHatter | gnp: check out vmware virtual appliances |
| 00:35.45 | abrotman | eldowan: better than nothing ? |
| 00:35.47 | GNP | I installed apache, php and mysql though |
| 00:35.53 | AussieHatter | gnp: exactly what you want. |
| 00:36.03 | eldowan | abrotman: actually, quite so. it works as a simple file server quite well. |
| 00:36.05 | SpaceFrog | runixd, an i see |
| 00:36.12 | abrotman | eldowan: ah ok |
| 00:36.22 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: mysql stores its items in /var/ |
| 00:36.23 | GNP | I want a home server to host a website with ssh and ftp access to it |
| 00:37.03 | eldowan | GNP: make sure your /var has plenty of room. by default, apache is in /var/www and mysql in in /var too. |
| 00:37.12 | litage | what exactly should one look into before applying Sarge security updates to a production box? |
| 00:37.45 | runixd | litage: test it on the other box first |
| 00:37.50 | GNP | its a 100 gig hdd |
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| 00:38.06 | GNP | does the install partition parts out for this and that? |
| 00:38.27 | AussieHatter | i hate sitting here watching a xen kernel build when in a few weeks etch will be here.......... |
| 00:38.33 | Wyzard | eldowan: For a small home server, is there really much need to put /var on a separate filesystem? |
| 00:38.43 | AussieHatter | *bite the bullet* i hearr |
| 00:38.46 | runixd | AussieHatter: no worries, I'm about to build one myself |
| 00:39.01 | runixd | the provided one is not stable at all |
| 00:39.10 | abrotman | AussieHatter: backports.org ? |
| 00:39.18 | eldowan | Wyzard: didn't say that :D all I said was to make sure /var had plenty of room. :D |
| 00:39.20 | diskus | Wyzard: it will make things easier when there's seperate /var |
| 00:39.29 | Wyzard | diskus: how so? |
| 00:39.30 | AussieHatter | abrotman: yeah but apparently that kernel is missing iptables support |
| 00:39.33 | karsten | Wyzard: there's no *need* to put any filesystems seperately, ro even have a scratch partition. The *benefuit* is that it gives you finer control. The downside is more administrative overhead and shopping your storage into pieces. |
| 00:39.37 | abrotman | AussieHatter: who needs iptables?! |
| 00:39.41 | karsten | erm. benefit. |
| 00:39.46 | abrotman | firewalls are for cowards! |
| 00:39.47 | Wyzard | AussieHatter: highly unlikely... all the stock kernels include iptables |
| 00:39.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 00:39.50 | diskus | Wyzard: well if you manage to get your / full then /var will have logs still |
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| 00:40.03 | quitte | abrotman: nat? |
| 00:40.09 | Muisje | abrotman what do you want to know from the apt-cache policy libapache-mod-php4? |
| 00:40.12 | abrotman | quitte: damn bugs |
| 00:40.15 | karsten | Wyzard: mount options, ability to keep /var from overfilling / or /usr, nosuid mounts, noatime mounts, might all be useful. |
| 00:40.17 | abrotman | Muisje: version number |
| 00:40.19 | AussieHatter | (hatter runs away with a yellow shirt on his back and a wily fox chasing him) |
| 00:40.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:40.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:40.26 | Muisje | Installed: 6:4.4.4-8 |
| 00:40.53 | abrotman | Muisje: any errors in the apache logs ? |
| 00:40.53 | quitte | abrotman: heh. i tried using netbsd for nat earlier today. believe me compared to that iptables nat is perfect. |
| 00:40.53 | karsten | abrotman: Is it true that there are bugs, damned bugs, and Vistas? |
| 00:41.04 | AussieHatter | wyzard: ok, I am just reading the howto on debian=administration |
| 00:41.04 | abrotman | karsten: lies! |
| 00:41.07 | diskus | Wyzard: if it's server even small one, try to make it as big boys do in the big companies :P |
| 00:41.32 | AussieHatter | wyzard: it does seem strange not to have iptables, like driving a car with no doors |
| 00:41.45 | Muisje | SoftException in Application.cpp:199: Script "/home/www/index.php" resolving to "/home/www/index.php" not within configured docroot and Premature end of script headers: /home/www/index.php |
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| 00:42.07 | eldowan | quitte: why would you say that netbsd isn't as up to par as iptables for nat'ing? |
| 00:42.43 | abrotman | you'd think if one were going to choose a BSD for that type of stuff you'd take openbsd |
| 00:42.55 | quitte | eldowan: i tried making it just do nat for a 192.168.0/24 network. ans there was a box in between. no way to make it translate that properly. |
| 00:43.16 | abrotman | Muisje: uhm .. that's not saying it can't find the .so |
| 00:43.23 | eldowan | quitte: huh. crazy. never used bsd, so I'm just curious. Thanks |
| 00:43.27 | Muisje | no, but i checked modules.conf |
| 00:43.56 | Muisje | it states: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 00:44.07 | quitte | abrotman: i can't get openbsd working as a xen domu |
| 00:44.34 | Muisje | but that file does not exist. |
| 00:44.34 | quitte | not more than until the first reboot,that is |
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| 00:44.52 | abrotman | quitte: uhm .. okay |
| 00:45.01 | abrotman | !find libphp4.so etch |
| 00:45.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libphp4.so' (2): (/usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so) in net/libapache-mod-php4 ;; (/usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp4.so) in net/libapache2-mod-php4. |
| 00:45.35 | abrotman | seems that's where it should be |
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| 00:46.50 | Muisje | Wait, it does exist... |
| 00:46.57 | Muisje | i'm getting crazy. :/ |
| 00:47.34 | stoned | heylow |
| 00:47.45 | haggz | Wow, dist-upgrade moved this partition to Sid with no noticeable breakage or loss of configurations...what crazy voodoo makes aptitude work so well? |
| 00:48.02 | stoned | haggz: oh crap.. I forgot to modify my aliases in .bashrc |
| 00:48.11 | stoned | I been using apt-get for two days |
| 00:48.11 | stoned | FUCK! |
| 00:48.14 | Wyzard | haggz: The voodoo of lots of competent maintainers :-) |
| 00:48.17 | eldowan | stoned: why apt-get? |
| 00:48.38 | stoned | eldowan: cuz I restored my backed up .bashrc from last year when I didn't have aptitude |
| 00:48.46 | stoned | :( |
| 00:48.49 | eldowan | stoned: thats nice. :D |
| 00:48.53 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:49.01 | eldowan | stoned: Oh yeah, let me get those samples ready for you. ;) |
| 00:49.07 | stoned | man |
| 00:49.08 | stoned | hold on |
| 00:49.15 | stoned | I gotta get my sid box working |
| 00:49.26 | stoned | I accidentally wiped my / partition last night |
| 00:49.28 | AussieHatter | damn: the xen kernel stopped at wget'ing a kernel image and is stuck at 'HTTP request sent, awaiting response...' |
| 00:49.30 | stoned | I dunno how I did it |
| 00:49.32 | eldowan | stoned: thats OK, I need time to upload it anyway. |
| 00:49.34 | stoned | but it happened |
| 00:49.40 | eldowan | stoned: alias rm='rm -rf /'? |
| 00:49.44 | stoned | no |
| 00:49.48 | stoned | like partition dlete |
| 00:49.52 | eldowan | it would be funny though. |
| 00:49.58 | stoned | oh |
| 00:49.59 | stoned | wait |
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| 00:50.04 | stoned | sorry i missed it |
| 00:50.16 | stoned | dude I gotta get moved out by saturday |
| 00:50.20 | eldowan | AussieHatter: I've got a bunch of waiting for headers and similar things lately. after a minute it should work. |
| 00:50.30 | lunaphyte | how can i look at a particular file that is included in some package, as it ships? |
| 00:50.31 | stoned | btb |
| 00:50.32 | eldowan | stoned: no shit? I guess it's that time already. |
| 00:50.35 | AussieHatter | eldowan: it has been sitting there for 10 or so.... |
| 00:50.41 | abrotman | lunaphyte: what kind of file ? |
| 00:50.57 | AussieHatter | its resolved, its connected, http waiting for response |
| 00:51.03 | AussieHatter | i can ping it |
| 00:51.05 | eldowan | AussieHatter: I usually <ctrl>C and restart it, but I'm not sure what to do in your case. |
| 00:51.25 | AussieHatter | yeah, if i stop it it may want to start the compile all over again |
| 00:51.25 | stoned | I noticed that the ati drivers from their website are the most recent version. Is there a reason why I should use module assistant to compiled fglrx? |
| 00:51.28 | lunaphyte | abrotman: specifically, /etc/apcupsd/apccontrol - just a shell script. |
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| 00:51.41 | stoned | s/compiled/compile (present) |
| 00:51.52 | abrotman | lunaphyte: you could download the package to /tmp/ and unpack it manually |
| 00:52.08 | eldowan | stoned: My guess is to take the fglrx drivers from ati.amd.com and make the deb files from the official installer. :D |
| 00:52.18 | stoned | eldowan: word |
| 00:53.09 | eldowan | stoned: can you detect clipping in music? personally hear the clipping I mean. |
| 00:53.16 | AussieHatter | crap, when i do it on aother box it starts downloading |
| 00:53.28 | eldowan | AussieHatter: download it there, and transfer it to your box? |
| 00:53.32 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i see apt-get has -d, for download only - but i don't see a way to tell it where. is that possible? |
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| 00:53.45 | abrotman | lunaphyte: packages.debian.org and wget |
| 00:54.01 | lunaphyte | ah |
| 00:54.28 | stoned | eldowan: wait |
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| 00:55.28 | karsten | Is it technically accurate to say that kernels are released ... |
| 00:55.29 | eldowan | .20? well well well |
| 00:55.33 | karsten | ... or that they escape? |
| 00:55.43 | stoned | well the installer doesn't make packages for debian.. only for redhat.. so I guess I should built it and try to alien it later |
| 00:55.46 | stoned | perhaps |
| 00:55.56 | eldowan | stoned: unless its chainged, it does. jsut a sec |
| 00:55.56 | stoned | any fglrx much newer than sid is loaded |
| 00:56.02 | stoned | let em try to get into X |
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| 00:56.13 | stoned | I backed up my xorg.conf to my gmail drive |
| 00:56.15 | stoned | 'drive' |
| 00:56.34 | AussieHatter | hey, its working finally |
| 00:56.36 | eldowan | stoned: check here, for debian .deb file generation from the official installer: pdf |
| 00:56.46 | eldowan | stoned: oops: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Debian_Installation_Guide |
| 00:57.04 | eldowan | stoned: heh gmail 'drive' nice. |
| 00:57.08 | stoned | eldowan: no need for a deb |
| 00:57.18 | stoned | be back from X |
| 00:57.18 | karsten | stoned: aptitude install gmailfs |
| 00:57.23 | stoned | karsten: yeh |
| 00:57.36 | AussieHatter | gmailfs ? yuou can mount gmail ? |
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| 00:57.49 | stoned | you can mount anything.. that doesn't hurt |
| 00:57.49 | eldowan | AussieHatter: sort of. |
| 00:57.50 | karsten | !gmailfs |
| 00:57.50 | dpkg | i guess gmailfs is a hack to let your gmail account be mounted as a local filesystem, http://richard.jones.name/google-hacks/gmail-filesystem/gmail-filesystem.html, or http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/002476.html |
| 00:58.00 | stoned | I like to mount umm.. certain things more than others |
| 00:58.04 | GNP | What do I run to get and install the etch gui installer? |
| 00:58.07 | AussieHatter | stoned: pets ? |
| 00:58.11 | eldowan | stoned: don't leave out the S&M crowd. |
| 00:58.12 | stoned | AussieHatter: huh? |
| 00:58.20 | Guerin | GNP: /msg dpkg d-i |
| 00:58.40 | stoned | GNP: for minimal 12MB installer try netboot/gtk |
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| 00:58.56 | stoned | or get the 120mb netinst cd |
| 00:59.04 | stoned | 120ish |
| 00:59.08 | jebs | brb |
| 00:59.39 | streuner | !shoot Guerin |
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| 01:00.22 | GNP | I must have misunderstood, sorry I have debian installed thought etch was a gui to help me set it up as a web server |
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| 01:00.31 | streuner | Guerin: no reaction? You're lame today! :-) |
| 01:00.31 | Guerin | wtf |
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| 01:00.40 | Guerin | streuner: s/lame/busy/ |
| 01:00.56 | streuner | lame excuse |
| 01:01.19 | Guerin | busy excuse? |
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| 01:01.34 | lunaphyte | abrotman: i guess dpkg --unpack wasn't quite what i wanted :) it did unpack the deb file, but all over my filesystem. i was able to look at the file though. is there a different command i could use to unpack it to a certain location? |
| 01:01.40 | streuner | Guerin: busy in what way? |
| 01:01.46 | abrotman | lunaphyte: ar x blah.deb |
| 01:02.01 | stew | lunaphyte: dpkg -x foo.dpkg /path/to/unpack/to |
| 01:02.06 | eldowan | lunaphyte: .debs should just be tarballs, IIRC |
| 01:02.10 | stew | err foo.deb, not foo.dpkg |
| 01:02.22 | dan2 | eldowan: .deb is an ar archive |
| 01:02.33 | Guerin | streuner: writing a paper on New Zealand's national holiday and bob marley's birthday, instead of going and sitting on a beach smoking spliffs and drinking beer |
| 01:02.38 | eldowan | dan2: aah, thanks. |
| 01:02.45 | lunaphyte | ask you you shall receive :) thanks all. |
| 01:03.04 | Guerin | streuner: the paper is being written ON the holiday (today), not about it. |
| 01:03.13 | abrotman | Guerin: golly .. you get the better end of that deal .. learning is great! |
| 01:03.35 | Guerin | abrotman: i'll swap you some learning for some beer and spliffs. |
| 01:03.45 | streuner | hehe |
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| 01:03.53 | stoned | ok so I got into X with my dual head |
| 01:03.56 | abrotman | Guerin: i have neither at home .. just some wine |
| 01:04.00 | stoned | now I can't get DRI |
| 01:04.05 | stoned | the module is loaded in xorg |
| 01:04.08 | streuner | poor abrotman |
| 01:04.13 | stoned | glxinfo |grep direct says no |
| 01:04.16 | stoned | I got it to work last night |
| 01:04.19 | abrotman | streuner: poor nothing .. it's intentional |
| 01:04.20 | stoned | beforew I wiped my partition |
| 01:04.24 | stoned | I can't recall how help! |
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| 01:05.02 | eldowan | stoned: the fglrx module is loading? but you get the mesa indirect? |
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| 01:05.09 | stoned | yeah |
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| 01:05.22 | stoned | I've got the mesa stuff installed |
| 01:05.22 | eldowan | stoned: I thought you bought an nvidia card. |
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| 01:05.44 | eldowan | stoned: i figured; glxinfo is in mesa-utils |
| 01:05.56 | spiritraveller | anybody using amarok on debian? Having trouble getting on-the-fly transcoding to work when transferring files to a media device. |
| 01:06.06 | Guerin | !anyone use amarok? |
| 01:06.06 | dpkg | No, no one uses amarok, not even the people who use it. |
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| 01:06.12 | GNP | how can I test my server to see if its serving web pages? where would I put a index.html or what url would I use to access it? |
| 01:06.19 | spiritraveller | WOW, hehe |
| 01:06.33 | ^rob^ | Question - (maybe lame one) i have a Yes command - listed in top, which eat 99% from my processor - started by root - is this normal? |
| 01:06.35 | tahamuslim | so |
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| 01:06.37 | stoned | eldowan: why would I load fglrx with nvidia |
| 01:06.37 | streuner | GNP: oh, dude! |
| 01:06.44 | tahamuslim | me |
| 01:06.46 | ^rob^ | 5532 root 19 0 416 412 364 R 95.0 0.1 3:37.80 yes |
| 01:06.47 | eldowan | stoned: after you install fglrx, you should have fglrxinfo, which should show specific information related just to fglrx. |
| 01:06.48 | abrotman | ^rob^: no |
| 01:06.56 | eldowan | stoned: that's what I was wondering. |
| 01:06.58 | Guerin | ^rob^: only if you (or root) started it. |
| 01:07.02 | abrotman | ^rob^: it prints 'y' until stopped |
| 01:07.04 | tahamuslim | me |
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| 01:07.18 | ^rob^ | i tryed to kill it |
| 01:07.22 | eldowan | stoned: you can try this: |
| 01:07.22 | eldowan | # mkdir -p /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri |
| 01:07.22 | eldowan | # ln -s /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri |
| 01:07.23 | ^rob^ | but it start again |
| 01:07.26 | streuner | GNP: /var/www/ |
| 01:07.33 | abrotman | ^rob^: so find out what is spawning it |
| 01:07.42 | relbs | is there a way to list the installed-size of all installed packages? |
| 01:07.48 | ^rob^ | abrotman: how? |
| 01:07.52 | Guerin | !ds |
| 01:07.53 | dpkg | somebody said ds was a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 01:07.58 | streuner | GNP: that's default in debian, you need to have a domain... |
| 01:08.02 | abrotman | ^rob^: PPID might be one way |
| 01:08.15 | jelly | relbs, Guerin: or man grep-dctrl |
| 01:08.20 | ^rob^ | 5532 ? R 4:53 yes start |
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| 01:08.31 | relbs | great, thanks! |
| 01:08.45 | stoned | I have the correct symlinks /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/dri/fglrx_dri.so -> /usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so |
| 01:08.53 | stoned | why is DRI not working |
| 01:08.56 | GNP | I cant use my ip to check it before adding a domain to the server? |
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| 01:09.09 | Guerin | GNP: WTF? |
| 01:09.21 | stoned | but if I have xorg installed why is it looking in /usr/X11R6 |
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| 01:09.24 | streuner | GNP: did you register somewhere (domain)? or do you have just a dynamic IP? |
| 01:09.26 | abrotman | ^rob^: something is spawning it |
| 01:09.39 | streuner | GNP: sure |
| 01:09.44 | tahamuslim | http://www.geffen.com/artist/player/default.aspx/mid/2426/aid/436 |
| 01:09.49 | tahamuslim | http://www.geffen.com/artist/player/default.aspx/mid/2426/aid/436 |
| 01:09.50 | streuner | GNP: http://your_IP/ |
| 01:09.53 | tahamuslim | http://www.geffen.com/artist/player/default.aspx/mid/2426/aid/436 |
| 01:09.54 | Guerin | tahamuslim: fuck off |
| 01:10.00 | streuner | wth |
| 01:10.07 | stoned | oh god |
| 01:10.09 | jelly | !ops tahamuslim spamming |
| 01:10.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly complains about: tahamuslim spamming |
| 01:10.12 | streuner | tahamuslim: wanna spam us? |
| 01:10.12 | stoned | I now see why people get a bad name |
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| 01:10.25 | Guerin | he appears to have stopped |
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| 01:10.27 | jelly | ty |
| 01:10.30 | streuner | thanks LoRez |
| 01:10.48 | stoned | so any help with the thing here |
| 01:10.54 | stoned | need dri on fglrx |
| 01:10.56 | streuner | GNP: do you have a dynamic IP? |
| 01:10.58 | syntaxx | anyone know what to read when i want my sudo user lock their account on 3 invalid logins? |
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| 01:11.10 | abrotman | man sudo ? |
| 01:11.26 | GNP | when I go to my ip xampp loads which is on my windows box |
| 01:11.32 | eldowan | stoned: hmm |
| 01:11.32 | eldowan | # cp /usr/lib/fglrx/diversions/lib/libGL.so.1.2 . |
| 01:11.32 | eldowan | # ln -s libGL.so.1.2 libGL.so.1 |
| 01:11.39 | eldowan | stoned: maybe followed by ldconfig? |
| 01:11.53 | streuner | GNP: dude, we are talking about debian here... |
| 01:12.08 | GNP | yes |
| 01:12.10 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:12.12 | stoned | let me check |
| 01:12.23 | streuner | GNP: so configure your router which points to your debian box.... |
| 01:12.26 | haggz | GNP: it sounds like your router is configured to forward incoming traffic to the windows box |
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| 01:13.17 | GNP | forward port 8080 to my nix box right? |
| 01:13.34 | streuner | uh, no |
| 01:13.46 | streuner | you need to forward the IP |
| 01:13.51 | stoned | eldowan: yeh its already so.1 |
| 01:13.56 | streuner | for example 192.168.1.10 |
| 01:14.01 | haggz | GNP: do you know how to setup NAT? |
| 01:14.15 | streuner | no |
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| 01:14.24 | GNP | no but I was told it was set up already |
| 01:14.44 | eldowan | stoned: got nothing. agp or pcie? That worked on one of my ati boxes, but not the other. I ended up just getting a $40 nvidia card for cheap dri. |
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| 01:15.15 | Dacicus | Hello. |
| 01:16.22 | GNP | ok now when I goto my ip I get Placeholder Page is it hitting my nix box now? |
| 01:16.24 | GNP | It has a debian logo at the bottom |
| 01:16.38 | eldowan | GNP: it shouldn't be redhat. :D |
| 01:16.39 | stoned | eldowan: don't talk to me about nvidia please |
| 01:16.39 | ^rob^ | abrotman: i've started all services - except ssh |
| 01:16.43 | ^rob^ | yes is still there |
| 01:16.47 | streuner | GNP: run in your debian box 'ifconfig' and see what IP the box have... |
| 01:16.48 | stoned | eldowan: I have pcie |
| 01:17.03 | abrotman | ^rob^: what does the box do ? |
| 01:17.05 | Guerin | GNP: you can check by replacing /var/www/indec.html with a blank file containing the word `fishpaste' |
| 01:17.06 | GNP | box has 192.168.1.101 |
| 01:17.13 | ^rob^ | mail,host,dns |
| 01:17.13 | stoned | eldowan: its my first ATI card and i'll be damned if I give up.. I'm gonna make it work |
| 01:17.23 | eldowan | stoned: what card? |
| 01:17.23 | ^rob^ | i have vhcs2 on it |
| 01:17.25 | abrotman | ^rob^: are you the only user logged in ? |
| 01:17.30 | ^rob^ | yes |
| 01:17.39 | streuner | GNP: ok, just say that to your router, it should forward '80' to 192.168.1.1001 |
| 01:17.42 | stoned | X1900XT |
| 01:17.57 | streuner | GNP: s/192.168.1.1001/192.168.1.101/ |
| 01:18.03 | abrotman | ^rob^: something is spawning it |
| 01:18.31 | squisher | Can anyone tell me why I get only 8MB/s download from my server, when a hdparm -t determined 30MB/s for the HDD, and netcat gave me 20MB/s network throughput? |
| 01:18.40 | eldowan | oooh yeah. hope you have more luck that I do with the damn fglrx. when I use mplayer to play a movie, it causes the screen to flash black at the end of each vid. then when I try to shutdown, I have to change to a VT to shutdown clean. if i switch back to vesa, it works like a champ |
| 01:18.44 | eldowan | sto^ |
| 01:19.07 | squisher | the CPU spends quite some time in WA, but why? |
| 01:19.22 | jelly | ^rob^: use ps, top or pstree to find out its parent |
| 01:19.22 | Guerin | squisher: 8MB/s is 100 megabit |
| 01:19.35 | Guerin | squisher: filesystems and ide have overheads ... it all waits for the slowest thing |
| 01:19.35 | squisher | Guerin: yeah, but it's gigabit, as evident by the 20MB/s netcat run |
| 01:19.37 | ^rob^ | vhcs2_daemon───sh───vhcs2-rqst-mngr───sh───vhcs2-serv-mngr───yes |
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| 01:19.55 | eldowan | Guerin: I get almost 13MB on my 10/100 lan. is this above norm? |
| 01:20.04 | ^rob^ | it seems i have a problem with vhcs2 |
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| 01:20.21 | squisher | Guerin: yeah, I know... hmm, let me run another test |
| 01:20.27 | abrotman | ^rob^: shocking .. really |
| 01:20.39 | Guerin | eldowan: depends. It's within tolerance once3 you take into account data compression and such |
| 01:20.45 | stew | eldowan: that's not possible |
| 01:20.49 | jelly | eldowan: 12.5MB/s is the theoretical limit, and it's possible on a switched network. |
| 01:20.55 | Guerin | stew: is so too |
| 01:20.57 | eldowan | stoned: do you have the DRI section in the xorg.conf? |
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| 01:21.20 | stew | Guerin: no |
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| 01:22.05 | stoned | yup |
| 01:22.13 | stoned | conf has not changed |
| 01:22.19 | Guerin | stew: sure, it might be a reporting illusion, but with compression on, say, rsync, you can get real throughput at those sorts of rates. |
| 01:22.26 | eldowan | stoned: and it is set to 0666? |
| 01:22.31 | stoned | yes |
| 01:22.41 | squisher | Guerin: yeah, you're right.... on the netcat, it's already running 100% cpu, so I guess the added disk I/O occupies the CPU so much that it can't do more than 8MB/s |
| 01:23.08 | stew | Guerin: ok. i'll agree that you can get the illusion of getting 13MB/s on a 100mbit lan, but not that you can actually get 13MB/s over a 100mbit lan |
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| 01:23.29 | dondelelcaro | you should be able to get close to it |
| 01:23.30 | eldowan | stoned: sorry bud, i've got nothing. I'm out in a few, so I'll catch you tomorrow |
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| 01:23.40 | Guerin | stew: well, since it can take 1s to transmit 13MB over the lan, it's fair to say. |
| 01:23.41 | squisher | stew: maybe some program just rounded up from 12.5 to 13MB/s |
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| 01:23.59 | squisher | stew: for the speed display, I mean |
| 01:24.04 | Guerin | squisher: the ACTUAL data which passed over the link (once compressed) may have only been 8MB, but that's largely irrelevant |
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| 01:24.59 | squisher | Guerin: yeah, of course, eldowan didn't say what exactly he was transfering |
| 01:25.31 | eldowan | squisher: Guerin: stew: also, it was a recollection. currently I'm getting about 11MB/s |
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| 01:26.04 | squisher | eldowan: so what is it? smb? nfs? http? |
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| 01:26.17 | eldowan | squisher: scp, wget, etc... |
| 01:27.57 | squisher | eldowan: I see, well, that's pretty efficient I'd say. Even though Guerin is of course right, I don't know if i.e. scp does compression automatically |
| 01:28.02 | squisher | brb, going to switch cards.... |
| 01:28.26 | stew | scp doesn't do compression without doing something to the config or passing a -C |
| 01:28.50 | streuner | hm |
| 01:29.16 | stew | but if you transfer a sparse file that is 100MB large over a network, and you can transfer the whole file in 1s, that is not saying that you have a network which can do 100MB/s, it says that you can transfer a file without having to send every bit over the wire |
| 01:29.28 | Nergar | whats the difference between ubuntu and devian?? |
| 01:29.38 | streuner | argh |
| 01:29.40 | Nergar | i guess devian is better |
| 01:29.41 | abrotman | !why debian |
| 01:29.41 | dpkg | http://www.debian.org/intro/why_debian or at http://snowcrash.tdyc.com/articles/imoore2.html or at http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/2204/1/ or http://people.debian.org/~srivasta/talks/why_debian/ |
| 01:29.56 | SerajewelKS | is there something for linux like virtualdub? i have an encoded xvid video and i need to remove sections of it. |
| 01:30.10 | Nergar | i know its a distro but whats the difference? |
| 01:30.26 | Nergar | avidemux SerajewelKS |
| 01:30.29 | SerajewelKS | Nergar: it's debian, not devian |
| 01:30.36 | Nergar | lol sorry |
| 01:30.37 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: I haven't found anything similiar, but IIRC virtualdub and avisynth et al run under wine. |
| 01:31.00 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: i just tried to run VD with wine, it didn't work so well |
| 01:31.04 | abrotman | cinerela ? |
| 01:31.13 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: hmm maybe |
| 01:31.15 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: aah |
| 01:31.24 | streuner | !start a distro war |
| 01:31.24 | dpkg | Debian Rulz |
| 01:31.32 | streuner | good bot! |
| 01:31.52 | AussieHatter | goota love the bot |
| 01:31.58 | stew | Nergar: /msg dpkg why debian |
| 01:32.09 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: avidemux looks to be a suitable alternative to virtualdub indeed. |
| 01:32.12 | Nergar | done |
| 01:32.30 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: yes, i seem to recall it's not very well maintained though |
| 01:32.43 | AussieHatter | dammit. coffee addiction become re-realised. |
| 01:33.03 | streuner | Nergar: i use debian since '99, and i never felt to use something else, there should be a reason... |
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| 01:33.14 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: that may be. but if you are just looking for simple vid splits and joins, it probably runs off of the libs that everyone else uses. heres hoping. |
| 01:33.15 | concept10 | AussieHatter, I switched to hot-chocolate |
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| 01:33.30 | Nergar | i'm new and i'm trying to find a nice distro |
| 01:33.34 | AussieHatter | conecpt10: AH, good advice, I will do the same |
| 01:34.03 | concept10 | AussieHatter, either that or decaf |
| 01:34.07 | streuner | Nergar: just try debian, and you would be happy |
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| 01:34.27 | Nergar | i guess it wouldn't hurt |
| 01:34.36 | haggz | nergar: use Debian Etch and install from the netinstall if you have a broadband connection |
| 01:34.36 | streuner | no |
| 01:34.38 | AussieHatter | concept10: hmmm, haven't grown up enough t realise decaf, it's in the same category as light beer |
| 01:35.12 | concept10 | AussieHatter, tastes almost the same, doesnt keep you up all night in IRC looking for a conversation :) |
| 01:35.16 | Nergar | i have broadband but what is etch? the release?? |
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| 01:35.20 | kenwick | the package 'html2text' is installed but it is not in my archive. why is this so? |
| 01:35.28 | streuner | !etch |
| 01:35.29 | dpkg | rumour has it, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 01:35.42 | concept10 | I wonder what kernel etch will ship with |
| 01:35.44 | AussieHatter | nergar: install, play with, learn, 5 years will pass, you will love gnu/linux or you will pay bill gates. |
| 01:35.57 | jelly | AussieHatter: or both |
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| 01:36.29 | AussieHatter | both. hard to avoid the m$ tax. anyways, debian for servers, for me. |
| 01:36.45 | Nergar | well righ no i dual boot, i need to get used to linux before killing my M$ partition |
| 01:36.50 | Nergar | now* |
| 01:36.53 | streuner | Nergar: every release in debian has 'codenames' so the next stable release is 'etch' (testing atm) - next is 'lenny' 'stolen' from 'Toy Story' ;-) |
| 01:36.59 | eldowan | AussieHatter: naah, its not hard to not spend money on something you don't really want or need anyway. |
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| 01:37.18 | itrebal | s it possible to install .deb files (that I have downloaded) via apt-get so it auto-solves deps? |
| 01:37.19 | AussieHatter | nergar: you could always use a virtual machine on linux to save rebooting all the time |
| 01:37.34 | haggz | nergar: if you have a fairly modern computer, you can try downloading a virtualization system like the vmware player and learn how to install and use debian |
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| 01:37.52 | concept10 | I wish debian and ubuntu would somehow 'merge' |
| 01:38.00 | eldowan | Nergar: I took haggz path to debian. never looked back. |
| 01:38.03 | eldowan | concept10: why? |
| 01:38.07 | Nergar | don't like virtual machine |
| 01:38.07 | itrebal | concept10: why? they're 2 seperate things, providing different things |
| 01:38.12 | kenwick | the package 'html2text' is installed but it is not in my archive. i need to make a cp of it. can someone help? |
| 01:38.13 | abrotman | concept10: no thanks |
| 01:38.26 | haggz | nergar: it just gives you a way to practice install and setup in a very controlled environment |
| 01:38.37 | abrotman | kenwick: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?searchon=names&version=all&exact=1&keywords=html2text |
| 01:38.37 | AussieHatter | nergar: virtual machines are great. the best thing in computing since the made computers learn to slice bread. |
| 01:38.51 | Nergar | don't like virtual machine to run M$, very slow |
| 01:38.52 | concept10 | I have a debian and ubuntu box, I hate that they have differences. I like sids repos and ubuntus dev repos |
| 01:39.07 | eldowan | Nergar: you will take a performance hit, but you really can't beat being able to look up information while you are stuck |
| 01:39.18 | predder | concept10, I wouldn't want to be putting Ubuntu on any servers really.. sure it's nice for hassle free desktop installs where you have non-mainstream hardware |
| 01:39.23 | AussieHatter | concept10: just hang out at #ubuntu for a little while to see why the seperation is a good thing |
| 01:39.26 | madd_matt | Oh, you're a bleeding-edger concept10. You could always try some mutant mixing of the two, it might work. |
| 01:39.27 | concept10 | but I dont know which one to stay with (for desktop). stable is the only choice for servers |
| 01:39.29 | eldowan | Nergar: install vmwareserver(free) on your windows box, and learn debian in a VM. That is what I did. |
| 01:39.30 | Nergar | yep, i know i will try it then |
| 01:39.55 | concept10 | AussieHatter, im banned from #ubuntu |
| 01:39.57 | concept10 | heh |
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| 01:40.05 | streuner | hehe |
| 01:40.08 | eldowan | concept10: how did you manage that? |
| 01:40.18 | streuner | concept10: you're welcome :-) |
| 01:40.28 | concept10 | I told the ops to stop talking to me yesterday because I was superbowl drunk |
| 01:40.29 | kenwick | abrotman: thks but how does that solve my problem? |
| 01:40.31 | predder | concept10, welcome to #debian brother! |
| 01:40.38 | streuner | haha |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | kenwick: you can download the package there |
| 01:40.42 | jelly | concept10: how good are dist-upgrades on ubuntu? I'd guess they're rather horrible seeing as they take a snapshot of sid every 6 months |
| 01:40.58 | predder | Oh, you didn't get banned for giving props to debian in the ubuntu channel? Nevermind. |
| 01:41.11 | madd_matt | jelly, dist-upgrades on ubuntu? Hah! |
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| 01:41.37 | SerajewelKS | eldowan: avidemux seems to be working, thanks for the suggestion. i forgot all about it. |
| 01:41.44 | concept10 | jelly, they are okay, i guess. I have less problems with debian |
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| 01:41.56 | haggz | jelly: they would work apart from the fact that most ubuntu users have third party repos for non-free stuff and those can break badly. |
| 01:41.58 | eldowan | SerajewelKS: don't thank me for that, it was Nergar |
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| 01:42.17 | Nergar | lol |
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| 01:42.21 | Nergar | :) |
| 01:42.21 | jelly | haggz: ah, well that's user's fault |
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| 01:43.00 | kenwick | abrotman: thks, downloaded it but why is it not in my /var.../archives when it is already installed? |
| 01:43.05 | abrotman | HI |
| 01:43.06 | Nergar | debian comes with good codecs? |
| 01:43.09 | haggz | jelly: sort of; the ubuntu help forums say: follow these links before posting problems, and the links they give are how-tos using 3rdparty repos and scripts |
| 01:43.11 | Zarephath | anyone here running PPC other than Supaplex? For some reason it keeps saying it can't find /dev/dsp when streamtuner executes xmms...I have sound other than this issue? |
| 01:43.13 | abrotman | kenwick: it might have gotten cleaned out |
| 01:43.30 | kenwick | abrotman: ymh, possible. |
| 01:43.47 | Zarephath | I checked to insure dma_sound wasn't loaded ;-) |
| 01:43.50 | twobitsprite | help... I was playing sdlquake in fullscreen mode and it froze... so I killed it from a vterm, and now my x server is stuck in a low resolution and isn't responding to C-M-+ or the mouse, however the clients are responding to keyboard... i.e. i can type in my xterms... |
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| 01:44.09 | olsen | nice 666 nicks :) |
| 01:44.19 | madd_matt | twobitsprite, just kill X |
| 01:44.23 | ronnyml | hiy guys i got a problem i cannot update and install with apt, i got this: E: Problem with MergeList.. E: The package lists or status file could not be parsed or opened, i found in google that the problem is with cache and i edit the /etc/apt/apt.conf and set APT::Cache-Limit "10000000"; but it does not work |
| 01:44.32 | twobitsprite | madd_matt: can't... have something running in it don't want to interrupt |
| 01:44.35 | litage | why is 4.0.3-31sarge9 not listed on this page, despite it being the current stable version?: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/s/shadow/current/changelog.html |
| 01:44.35 | jelly | haggz: I used one of those 3rd party repos and ended up explaining the maintainer about dummy packages, Replaces/Conflicts and dist-upgrades when he changed package names between releases |
| 01:44.40 | madd_matt | twobitsprite, wait it out? |
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| 01:44.46 | olsen | i really *love* debian etch |
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| 01:44.54 | twobitsprite | madd_matt: hmm... should I report a bug? |
| 01:44.54 | AussieHatter | guess what ? my raid1 rebuild of 180 gb partition is up to 77.1 % after 16 hours |
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| 01:45.21 | AussieHatter | i didn't check the h/w thought i bought a p4 must have got a 286 |
| 01:45.54 | jelly | AussieHatter: have you limited the max. rebuild speed to something low? |
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| 01:46.11 | GNP | well I think I kinda did it :P |
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| 01:46.30 | abrotman | AussieHatter: IIRC .. you don't have to wait |
| 01:46.50 | GNP | can someone try this http://71.52.255.125/ |
| 01:47.16 | predder | Welcome To GNP WEB SERVER! |
| 01:47.21 | GNP | woohoo |
| 01:47.24 | AussieHatter | abrotman: it is also compiling a xen kernel, so progress is happening, kernel compile taking a long time also, i should be ok to renice the raid process shouldn't i ? |
| 01:47.29 | predder | (Where the front page images are borked) |
| 01:47.37 | haggz | olsen: isnt it amazing how good the autoconfiguration and install of a full development environment is in etch? |
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| 01:47.45 | olsen | will apt-get resume the download of packages? |
| 01:47.55 | GNP | the image is in /var/www/images/ |
| 01:48.01 | abrotman | olsen: yes |
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| 01:48.05 | olsen | haggz: yeah |
| 01:48.06 | GNP | why wont it show up? |
| 01:48.08 | AussieHatter | jelly: haven't read about that, |
| 01:48.35 | olsen | haggz: what it amazes me is the simplicity of it, how everything works, the debian-installer, and how everything is configured in minutes, and APT, gotta love it |
| 01:48.42 | |aSa| | How to search in aptitude for exact match of a package name name? |
| 01:49.01 | olsen | haggz: the support for my architecture and the fact that is debian :) |
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| 01:49.21 | krang | Would anyone be able to tell me what destination ports are used during an "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade"? I'm guessing only 80 (and maybe 21) for the HTTP/FTP transfers. is that right? |
| 01:49.31 | olsen | haggz: the development environment too |
| 01:49.40 | abrotman | krang: 21/22 if you're using ftp .. but you should really use http |
| 01:49.45 | abrotman | erm .. 20/21 |
| 01:49.48 | AussieHatter | jelly: cool, i will check this |
| 01:49.57 | squisher | Guerin: just in case you're interested, rt8169 vs e1000 gave me 20% more in iperf, 50% for netcat, but only 5% more for http |
| 01:50.25 | squisher | with the CPU limit known (via epa 1ghz) |
| 01:50.49 | krang | abrotman: yeah, I do. OK, so there's no other jiggery-pokery goes on then? I'm just wondering which ports to forward with ssh -D to proxy through a host on a network with internet access. |
| 01:51.11 | abrotman | krang: did you just use jiggery-pokery in a conversation ? |
| 01:51.18 | AussieHatter | jelly: yeah its set to the lowestr |
| 01:51.31 | olsen | haggz: now i think like "why i havent tried debian before?" |
| 01:51.37 | krang | abrotman: errr, yes, I do appear to have done that at first glance..... |
| 01:51.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:51.54 | krang | do I win something? |
| 01:51.55 | abrotman | krang: but yeah .. you should really use http sources |
| 01:51.56 | olsen | haggz: before i was using ubuntu, slackware, gentoo, etc, but none of them really were what i wanted |
| 01:51.56 | haggz | olsen: be careful, apt-get install is VERY addictive, it's easy to spend hours and hours doing apt-cache searches and installing 65 million cool utilities to play with. |
| 01:51.58 | abrotman | !win krang |
| 01:51.58 | dpkg | Congratulations, krang! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 01:52.06 | krang | ROFLMAO |
| 01:52.27 | kiba | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:52.41 | karsten | kiba: as root |
| 01:52.42 | AussieHatter | and don't forget ! the lifetime subscription for the award winning AOL CD's ! |
| 01:52.46 | krang | I'm the winner! YES!!!! |
| 01:52.49 | AussieHatter | delivered weekly ! |
| 01:52.57 | kiba | oh |
| 01:52.59 | olsen | haggz: slackware was my favorite distribution, then lfs, but i don't feel like compiling anymore with lfs, i need to be more productive this days, and slackware was kinda outdated |
| 01:53.17 | olsen | haggz: yeah i noticed |
| 01:53.45 | concept10 | Anyone know how to change the default file manager in GNOME? I want to change from nautilus to Thunar |
| 01:54.01 | haggz | olsen: since it sounds like you like updating to recent releases, you will probably want to have both an etch partition and a sid partition. Etch is locked for software, but sid will receive constant upstream updates. |
| 01:54.17 | jelly | 120 CDs is less than 3 years, if that's a lifetime subscription someone's having a very short life in front of h(im|er) |
| 01:54.42 | olsen | haggz: yeah |
| 01:54.45 | olsen | haggz: will do that |
| 01:55.29 | olsen | does the mplayer build in the repositories have aac+ supprot? |
| 01:55.30 | olsen | support* |
| 01:55.42 | AussieHatter | !love |
| 01:55.42 | dpkg | Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra, which suddenly flips over, pinning you underneath. At night, the ice weasels come. |
| 01:55.49 | olsen | i listen a lot of aac stuff |
| 01:55.52 | AussieHatter | lol |
| 01:56.03 | AussieHatter | !hate |
| 01:56.03 | dpkg | hate is probably opposite of love (see love) |
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| 01:56.13 | haggz | olsen: for aac i believe you need non-free repositories, but you can enable it in etch |
| 01:56.19 | delire_z | a tricky reversal dpkg |
| 01:56.20 | olsen | haggz: cool |
| 01:56.32 | olsen | haggz: is there a howto for that? |
| 01:56.48 | olsen | haggz: is just a matter of putting the stuff in /etc/apt/sources.list and get it right? |
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| 01:56.55 | jelly | Wow, a reference to ice weasels |
| 01:57.02 | twobitsprite | <submit@bugs.debian.org>: host bugs.debian.org[140.211.166.43] said: 550 Sender verify failed (in reply to RCPT TO command) |
| 01:57.14 | twobitsprite | man, I'm finding all kinds of bugs today... I wonder if its just me |
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| 01:57.26 | twobitsprite | does that address work for everyone else? |
| 01:57.29 | jelly | !factinfo love |
| 01:57.30 | dpkg | love -- last modified at Fri Mar 19 13:10:18 2004 by idnarhtim!mithy@rrba-191-35.telkomadsl.co.za; it has been requested 195 times, last by AussieHatter, 1m 47s ago. |
| 01:58.03 | haggz | olsen: im sure there are good how-tos, i stay with the main free repos myself to make sure my development environment includes only free software components |
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| 01:58.24 | jelly | Seems like mithrandir-in-reverse has foretold the coming of ice weasels in 2004! |
| 01:59.24 | olsen | haggz: yeah, thats nice, but i like to listen trance at di.fm (i only can use aac+) because is low bandwidth and my internet sucks, i watch movies and stuff (dvd, mpeg4, etc) |
| 01:59.28 | AussieHatter | I, for one, welcome our new ice weasel overlords. |
| 01:59.47 | haggz | olsen: yeah just enable non-free repos and there are codecs and plugins for all that stuff |
| 01:59.48 | olsen | haggz: for personal stuff i would use vorbis/theora, ogg |
| 01:59.50 | stoned | I am using fglrx and I cannot get anything but OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect - direct rendering: No - any help regarding this? |
| 02:00.03 | stoned | I want to get 3d working with this ati card x1900xt |
| 02:00.17 | olsen | haggz: cool, thanks |
| 02:00.53 | olsen | haggz: btw. what kind of development do you do? |
| 02:01.13 | olsen | haggz: just curious |
| 02:01.38 | haggz | olsen: im working on a highly portable self-modifying web database display and editing tool |
| 02:01.59 | olsen | haggz: nice |
| 02:02.07 | olsen | haggz: i also do some web development |
| 02:02.21 | olsen | haggz: with databases, dynamic languages, css, html, and stuff |
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| 02:03.18 | haggz | olsen: we are wandering off-topic for #debian, but that sounds very interesting |
| 02:03.41 | freetos | is debian an enterprise class operating sysetm? |
| 02:03.48 | olsen | haggz: :) |
| 02:03.54 | jelly | freetos: no |
| 02:04.05 | freetos | jello, what's missing |
| 02:04.13 | siikah | aren't all distros that if the right person is running the row? :> |
| 02:04.18 | freetos | jelly, what's missing |
| 02:04.19 | siikah | row = show |
| 02:04.25 | jelly | freetos: enterprise usually means "very low on features" and "high cost" |
| 02:04.52 | pickcoder | freetos: stable normally is fine for enterprise use unless you want to pay through the nose for support |
| 02:04.59 | freetos | what features are low, the recommended repositories? |
| 02:05.05 | pickcoder | gah.. that made no sense |
| 02:05.15 | siikah | :) |
| 02:05.37 | freetos | everything is configurable through a gui, rhel rox |
| 02:05.52 | jelly | freetos: I meant, the OSes and apps that wear the enterprise mark are low on features and high cost. |
| 02:05.53 | haggz | freetos: when debian etch is released as stable I think is suitable for almost any enterprise application, ASSUMING an adequate and competent staff is available. |
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| 02:06.34 | siikah | haggz: which is AT LEAST within the coming twelve years? ;) |
| 02:06.46 | pickcoder | don't even get me started on RHEL... |
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| 02:06.55 | jelly | freetos: a coworker has just today has to install a crapload of Perl modules to get some of our scripts running on RHEL4. All the modules were available in Debian. |
| 02:07.37 | freetos | i was thinking about running a linux virtual private server for a debian tree and use synaptic to access debian's repo |
| 02:07.45 | pickcoder | jelly: I'm still waiting for RH to fix a problem in an old application. Apparently, they have to wait for a fix from the author. O_o wtf? |
| 02:07.54 | cougar` | What would prevent Debian system or any Linux system I guess from allowing a sudo command from creating a file resulting in a 'permission denied' message? |
| 02:08.11 | cougar` | I should rephrase... |
| 02:08.20 | cougar` | What would cause a Debian system or any Linux system I guess from allowing a sudo command from creating a file resulting in a 'permission denied' message? |
| 02:08.31 | olsen | are all the packages of ubuntu available on debian? |
| 02:08.35 | pickcoder | cougar: is the sticky flag set on the dir? |
| 02:08.37 | jelly | freetos: however, if you're asking whether Debian can be used in a so-called enterprise enviroment, I'd say yes. |
| 02:08.49 | abrotman | olsen: NFC .. try specific packages .. |
| 02:08.53 | GNP | what would stop images from loading on my web page? |
| 02:08.56 | jelly | olsen: no. |
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| 02:09.08 | olsen | jelly: what for example is missing? |
| 02:09.11 | cougar` | pickcoder: I'm no sure what that is. Can you descirbe or refer to me what that would be. |
| 02:09.27 | jelly | olsen: eaccelerator, for example. |
| 02:09.33 | abrotman | olsen: try packages.debian.org |
| 02:09.35 | cougar` | pickcoder: drwxr-xr-x |
| 02:09.56 | freetos | last time i installed debian it walked me thorugh a bunch of questions, will etch be easier to install? |
| 02:09.56 | cougar` | pickcoder: it works if I'm su'd as root. But not sudo |
| 02:09.57 | asg | cougar`: does it work if you do 'sudo -H ...' |
| 02:09.58 | jelly | olsen: Ubuntu doesn't care much for licensing problems. |
| 02:10.01 | pickcoder | cougar`: man chmod |
| 02:10.04 | cougar` | asg: lemme try. |
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| 02:10.26 | olsen | can i use the latest nvidia driver on etch? |
| 02:10.31 | cougar` | asg: no it does not. |
| 02:10.34 | haggz | olsen: nvidia yes |
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| 02:11.01 | asg | cougar`: okay. paste the command you are trying to run |
| 02:11.13 | cougar` | asg: It seems sticky bit is set. |
| 02:11.14 | pickcoder | freetos: if you want a self-installing O/S then burn a Live CD and boot it. <g> |
| 02:11.20 | siikah | freetos: debian isn't an automated os. you're actually supposed to be in control. |
| 02:11.32 | jelly | olsen: also, even packages that exist in both may have differing sets of features. |
| 02:12.02 | stoned | I am using fglrx and I cannot get anything but OpenGL renderer string: Mesa GLX Indirect - direct rendering: No - any help regarding this? |
| 02:12.03 | haggz | olsen: you can use either the nvidia official installer, or you can use the debianized apt-gettable package. Agreement as to which method is preferbable is lacking. |
| 02:12.22 | siikah | freetos: the answer was, no.. it still asks questions during install. sorry, I'm a little tired and tries to be funny. |
| 02:12.55 | haggz | stoned: I recommend taking a puff or two for contemplation and perhaps googling for terms you haven't yet since we seem to be failing. |
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| 02:13.13 | pickcoder | freetos: the etch installer has a gui option if you prefer to view pretty screens when making choices |
| 02:13.13 | stoned | haggz: been there |
| 02:13.19 | abrotman | ask #ati ? |
| 02:13.21 | stoned | haggz: I had it working last night |
| 02:13.27 | abrotman | did you use the ati installer or the debian package s? |
| 02:13.27 | stoned | I can't remember how |
| 02:13.32 | stoned | ati installer |
| 02:13.38 | stoned | it had newer drivers |
| 02:13.39 | abrotman | so ask #ati |
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| 02:13.51 | stoned | would it help if I installed fglrx from debian |
| 02:13.57 | stoned | few versions older |
| 02:13.58 | stoned | ? |
| 02:14.13 | abrotman | golly .. try it and let us know |
| 02:14.16 | haggz | stoned: do you have any log files or anything from when it was working? If you have an xorg log from when it was working you might be able to reverse enginer it. |
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| 02:14.28 | stoned | I don't think its an ATI problem if I had it working last night |
| 02:14.30 | cougar` | asg: The sticky bit is not stick, no 't' ... Command I'm using is 'sudo -H grep -v -i "Apple" merged.p2b.p2p > merged.p2b.p2p.tmp' |
| 02:14.32 | stoned | it has someting to do with debian |
| 02:14.50 | predder | stoned, moreso something to do with xorg? |
| 02:14.52 | stoned | haggz: I accidentally wiped my partition so no I have nothing |
| 02:14.56 | pickcoder | cougar`: is sudoers setup for the user you are running that as? |
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| 02:15.01 | stoned | predder: packages of xrog in debian |
| 02:15.02 | pickcoder | and did you use visudo? |
| 02:15.04 | stoned | yes, so debian related |
| 02:15.09 | cougar` | Yeah, of course. |
| 02:15.15 | predder | stoned, or the configuration :) |
| 02:15.22 | stoned | predder: configuration has not changed |
| 02:15.27 | olsen | i really like the philosophy of debian about the free only software, but there are some things that i really would need, that arent free, and i like debian for it's simplicity |
| 02:15.30 | abrotman | stoned: how did debian change since last night ? |
| 02:15.40 | olsen | and i dont really want to go back to ubuntu |
| 02:15.49 | abrotman | then don't .. install debian |
| 02:15.54 | litage | is it possible to determine the URL to a package's changelog using apt-get, apt-cache, or some other util? |
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| 02:16.00 | stoned | abrotman: last night I had to get some packages from experimental since xserver-xorg-core wasn't specifying a cetain extention |
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| 02:16.03 | cougar` | pickcoder: User has ALL in visudo |
| 02:16.07 | stoned | I can't recall exactly wha tI did |
| 02:16.14 | abrotman | litage: the packages.debian.org changelog ? |
| 02:16.15 | stoned | and I had to use a few pckages from snapshots |
| 02:16.16 | stoned | older ones |
| 02:16.20 | olsen | abrotman: that was for me? |
| 02:16.24 | abrotman | olsen: yes |
| 02:16.25 | predder | olsen, there's nothing stopping you adding a non-free mirror to sources.list or installing binaries under debian? |
| 02:16.26 | litage | abrotman: yes |
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| 02:16.39 | olsen | abrotman: why not? |
| 02:16.44 | predder | in fact, the etch installer asks you if you'd like a non-free mirror added.. |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | olsen: why not what ? |
| 02:16.55 | olsen | abrotman: "don't install debian" |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | olsen: that's not what i said .. read again |
| 02:17.24 | olsen | abrotman: oh, >_< sorry |
| 02:17.25 | abrotman | litage: you probably could with a pile of shell stuff |
| 02:17.37 | olsen | abrotman: english is not my #1 lanugage |
| 02:17.40 | olsen | language* |
| 02:17.47 | haggz | olsen: just set your apt sources to main contrib non-free and you will find what you need, i believe |
| 02:18.05 | olsen | haggz: i have that |
| 02:18.12 | pickcoder | olsen: you can run whatever you want on your box, just don't exepect commercial software to exist in the repos |
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| 02:18.20 | pickcoder | gah.. ~expect |
| 02:18.24 | olsen | pickcoder: i don't expect that :) |
| 02:18.36 | cougar` | Hmmm |
| 02:18.39 | olsen | pickcoder: i just need some propietary formats in mplayer, and so on |
| 02:18.49 | abrotman | !tell olsen about w32codecs |
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| 02:19.01 | pickcoder | olsen: so badger the hell outta the codec authors |
| 02:19.05 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:19.11 | pickcoder | get a web petition started |
| 02:19.27 | haggz | olsen: if you have those repos enabled, make sure you have updated, then apt-cache search for the formats you need, I thought non-free had support for just about everything |
| 02:19.59 | olsen | i don't need win32 codecs |
| 02:20.19 | siikah | then what do you need? where do these codecs originate from? |
| 02:20.35 | pickcoder | the real question is, which media player are you using the codec on |
| 02:21.03 | olsen | nah, i think i only need ffmpeg |
| 02:21.15 | olsen | ffmpeg decodes everything i want :) |
| 02:21.21 | olsen | except of aac+ |
| 02:21.46 | Nergar | now, if i install debian, is there an easy way to install codecs and all that stuff? |
| 02:22.00 | abrotman | derrivative: go to hell |
| 02:22.06 | n3kl | How do I allow a user access to print to cups? |
| 02:22.10 | pickcoder | Nergar: apt-cache search <codec> |
| 02:22.18 | Nergar | thats all? |
| 02:22.19 | pickcoder | apt-get install <packagename> |
| 02:22.41 | pickcoder | not always |
| 02:22.42 | Nergar | so its easy to install codecs for wmv to say something?? |
| 02:22.53 | litage | abrotman: i wrote a bit of perl to do it, but then noticed that not all packages have a changelog: http://rafb.net/p/JN9Uiq35.html |
| 02:22.55 | siikah | olsen: umm, what about "libavcodec0d - ffmpeg codec library" |
| 02:23.01 | Nergar | thats my biggest concern |
| 02:23.05 | pickcoder | !w32codecs |
| 02:23.05 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
| 02:23.39 | cougar` | pickcoder: No theorys? |
| 02:23.57 | pickcoder | cougar`: what's the dir perms |
| 02:24.01 | pickcoder | and user/group |
| 02:24.04 | Nergar | but there is a lot of documentation on how to do it?? |
| 02:24.07 | haggz | olsen: have you checked out FAAD? google seems to think it can do aac+ |
| 02:24.07 | abrotman | litage: apache is different than apache-common |
| 02:24.35 | n3kl | does the user need to be a member of the lmadmin group |
| 02:24.37 | n3kl | ? |
| 02:24.45 | cougar` | pickcoder: Owner seems to be root, and permissions are: drwxr-xr-x |
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| 02:24.54 | pickcoder | !tell Nergar about debian-multimedia |
| 02:24.57 | litage | abrotman: right. one would think this url exists, but it doesn't: http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/a/apache-common |
| 02:25.02 | SpaceFrog | hi guys. can i use debian backports in etch? |
| 02:25.04 | abrotman | litage: ah .. gotcha |
| 02:25.11 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: why would you ? |
| 02:25.13 | jelly | litage: well, since aptitude seems to know the url, it's obviously possible. ;-) |
| 02:25.26 | abrotman | litage: those changelogs are already on your system though |
| 02:25.33 | abrotman | if the package is installed |
| 02:25.41 | SpaceFrog | abrotman: does etch have mysql5.0 and php5, latest packages? |
| 02:25.49 | jelly | abrotman: think newer versions. |
| 02:25.53 | litage | abrotman: that's the catch: i want to read the changelogs before i update the package ;) |
| 02:25.56 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: it has them .. don't know the versions |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | litage: apt-listchanges |
| 02:26.17 | olsen | haggz: really? |
| 02:26.30 | Nergar | well, i'm almost convinced |
| 02:26.31 | jelly | litage: you want to find the package source, then look for its changelog |
| 02:26.39 | cougar` | pickcoder: You see the info you requested? |
| 02:27.01 | cougar` | pickcoder: The directory is /var/spool/moblock |
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| 02:27.27 | SpaceFrog | well, i like debian backports because i like the latest versions of mysql, apache, and samba.. but sarge doesn't work properly on my server |
| 02:27.28 | jelly | litage: also, "aptitude changelog apache-common" |
| 02:27.48 | SpaceFrog | so i thought i'd try etch.. otherwise i'll use a different distro |
| 02:27.59 | litage | abrotman: apt-listchanges looks wicked. thanks |
| 02:28.03 | pickcoder | cougar`: paste the entire sudoers line.. just the one line, else paste it in pastebin |
| 02:28.07 | MatBoy-[ph] | You can run etch on a server |
| 02:28.13 | litage | jelly: great, i'll check that out too. thanks |
| 02:28.15 | cougar` | pick. rgr. |
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| 02:28.25 | abrotman | litage: you're welcome |
| 02:28.40 | cougar` | sudo grep -v -i "Apple" merged.p2b.p2p > merged.p2b.p2p.tmp |
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| 02:29.06 | pickcoder | Nerger: it took me a few steps to get all my favorites codecs working with the kde player |
| 02:29.22 | pickcoder | far less time than it takes to download and install them individually under doze |
| 02:29.35 | pickcoder | and many less steps |
| 02:29.54 | cartesian1984 | Is there anything that would allow me to install Debian to a hard disk from a live session? |
| 02:29.56 | haggz | olsen: apparently, found someone talking about setting up amarok to play aac+ streams, and various things about faad configuration for aac+, im not expert at all on multimedia stuff, just googling |
| 02:30.21 | cougar` | pickcoder: sudo grep -v -i "Apple" merged.p2b.p2p > merged.p2b.p2p.tmp |
| 02:30.43 | cougar` | pickcoder: Results ineiros: bash: merged.p2b.p2p.tmp: Permission denied |
| 02:30.48 | abrotman | !debootstrap |
| 02:30.49 | dpkg | from memory, debootstrap is <caphuso> get the debootstrap source from http://packages.debian.org/, compile it, read the man page, install debian with it </caphuso> Useful for installing in a chroot. http://people.debian.org/~walters/chroot.html, or see http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
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| 02:31.06 | pickcoder | cougar`: it may help to specify full paths to those files |
| 02:31.10 | cougar` | rgr |
| 02:31.23 | cougar` | But it's within the current directory |
| 02:31.36 | pickcoder | what if you're in / |
| 02:31.53 | pickcoder | do you want the user to be able to put stuff anywhere? |
| 02:31.55 | cougar` | I'm in /var/spool/moblock/ |
| 02:32.02 | MatBoy-[ph] | I want Debian on my Nokia e61 :p |
| 02:32.10 | cougar` | The user is me, I'm the admin, |
| 02:32.16 | haggz | olsen: the best simple solution seems to be the bmpx media player with all the gstreamer plugins, at least according to random webpage #256347 |
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| 02:32.54 | olsen | haggz: hm |
| 02:32.58 | pickcoder | cougar`: let me duplicate the situation.. what are file perms and ownership for merged.p2b.p2b |
| 02:32.59 | cougar` | pickcoder: You're not the only once dumbfounded right now :-D |
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| 02:33.32 | olsen | anyone runs php-cli? |
| 02:33.38 | olsen | s/runs/uses |
| 02:33.44 | abrotman | olsen: ask a better question |
| 02:33.57 | cougar` | pickcoder: Thanks, here's the info: merged.p2b.p2p with these permissions owned by root: -rw-r--r-- |
| 02:34.35 | cougar` | pickcoder: -rw-r--r-- 1 root 0 8320652 2007-02-05 21:03 merged.p2b.p2p |
| 02:34.38 | siikah | olsen: I do. what up? |
| 02:34.45 | olsen | abrotman: i use the php-cli sometimes, i try my code on it, i've installed php-cli and i run php -a (interactive mode) when i try something like echo "hello world"; nothings returns |
| 02:34.49 | MatBoy-[ph] | olson, ask who abrotman is ;) |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | i didn't mean ask me |
| 02:35.20 | olsen | siikah: nothing returns when i code on interactive mode |
| 02:35.37 | siikah | no errors, nothing? |
| 02:35.37 | jelly | olsen: and when you close stdin with ctrl-d? |
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| 02:35.52 | olsen | jelly: that just returns my bash prompt |
| 02:35.58 | olsen | siikah: nothing |
| 02:36.00 | jelly | hm |
| 02:36.13 | mhiku | can i install ffmpeg even im not root, like media temple gridserver? |
| 02:36.16 | olsen | siikah: i've tried echo "blah"; or $x = 1; var_dump($x); and nothing |
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| 02:36.46 | MatBoy-[ph] | olson, have you highered up the loglevel ? |
| 02:36.55 | pickcoder | cougar`: what does your sudoers statement have in it? |
| 02:36.58 | olsen | siikah: same thing on slackware, and windows, the only time it worked was in gentoo, i suppose is a configuration thing |
| 02:37.01 | jdavis | My ethernet sole ethernet card is showing up as eth1. Where is the location that linux "remembers" my old card? |
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| 02:37.10 | jelly | olsen: stupid question, have you opened the php tag? |
| 02:37.19 | pickcoder | not the sudo command.. the actual sudoers command spec |
| 02:37.26 | cougar` | pickcoder: : cougar ALL=(ALL) ALL |
| 02:37.35 | olsen | jelly: ups |
| 02:37.40 | olsen | jelly: i forgot that |
| 02:37.54 | olsen | jelly: yeah it works with <?php ?> |
| 02:38.07 | siikah | sleepytime. gnite ppl |
| 02:38.08 | mfrisch | cougar`: thats securuty |
| 02:38.10 | jelly | that's nice |
| 02:38.12 | olsen | jelly: i'm used to irb, and other shells where you don't need to open a tag on the shell |
| 02:38.15 | olsen | jelly: thanks |
| 02:38.18 | MatBoy-[ph] | olson, have you tries spaces, different quotes ? |
| 02:38.19 | mhiku | can i install applications like ffmpeg or mplayer when im not a root in ssh |
| 02:38.39 | olsen | MatBoy-[ph]: i'll try |
| 02:38.40 | cougar` | mfrisch: yeah, but I'm in a directory that for some reason sudo can't create in but root can. |
| 02:38.40 | jelly | olsen: you're welcome |
| 02:39.03 | jelly | olsen: it's not _that_ interactive I suppose |
| 02:39.09 | olsen | jelly: yeah |
| 02:39.14 | MatBoy-[ph] | Damn, why does irc respond on ip :( |
| 02:39.22 | olsen | jelly: seems that gentoo have some extra configuration that made works without <?php ?> |
| 02:39.26 | mhiku | ? |
| 02:39.26 | mhiku | /list |
| 02:39.41 | jelly | olsen: possibly a command line option made default |
| 02:39.48 | mfrisch | cougar`: don't think sudoer give all acess |
| 02:39.54 | olsen | jelly: yeah |
| 02:40.16 | cougar` | I thought sudo is super user do, so do as super user... |
| 02:40.18 | Supaplex | where can I find a list of the vga= options, and what they do? eg, 788 appears to be vgafb, but that's all I ... think (not know) |
| 02:40.19 | jelly | olsen: It'd make sense for -cli (less so for -cgi) |
| 02:40.36 | k-man__ | how can i see why a connection is being refused on a particular port? |
| 02:40.37 | MatBoy-[ph] | sudo is not always nice and that secure also |
| 02:40.54 | mfrisch | cougar`: su is super user or switch user |
| 02:40.59 | haggz | k-man_: check your iptables chains |
| 02:41.09 | xp_prg | how do I tell ntp to resync? |
| 02:41.14 | MatBoy-[ph] | log the iptables |
| 02:41.16 | pickcoder | cougar`: that's a good question. for some reason it appears that redirects are not root |
| 02:41.20 | k-man__ | haggz, ah, ok |
| 02:41.29 | Supaplex | xp_prg: with rdate? |
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| 02:41.41 | cougar` | redirects? As in > character? |
| 02:41.44 | xp_prg | with ntpd |
| 02:42.04 | pickcoder | you can touch a file with sudo |
| 02:42.09 | Guerin | cougar`: yes. done in YOUR shell, not by sudo |
| 02:42.10 | MatBoy-[ph] | make a cronjob ? |
| 02:42.17 | pickcoder | but redirects are not permitted |
| 02:42.36 | pickcoder | sudo id returns the valid uids for root |
| 02:42.45 | cougar` | So, a comand that is sudo cat *.txt > file.txt fails because sudo does not allow redirects? |
| 02:43.03 | Guerin | imagine the power of allowing a sudoer to write to files as an arbitrary user |
| 02:43.04 | pickcoder | even if you touch the file and try output redirection it is restricted |
| 02:43.08 | MatBoy-[ph] | Why sudo ? |
| 02:43.23 | cougar` | pickcoder: That is wild. |
| 02:43.59 | jelly | Supaplex: for modes for vga=, /usr/src/linux/Documentation/fb/vesafb.txt |
| 02:44.01 | pickcoder | Guerin: if you give the sudoer ALL access, you can touch files as root with no problem but stdio redirection to file doesn't work |
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| 02:44.12 | Guerin | pickcoder: i realise this. |
| 02:44.29 | olsen | why does etch still have the MAKEDEV script in /dev if it uses udev? |
| 02:44.33 | pickcoder | there is no difference there, technically |
| 02:44.46 | pickcoder | except touch just creates a null file |
| 02:44.51 | Guerin | pickcoder: of course there's a difference |
| 02:44.55 | pickcoder | howso? |
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| 02:45.01 | abrotman | olsen: still might be needed |
| 02:45.02 | Guerin | touch just creates a null file |
| 02:45.07 | pickcoder | >> and > instead of "vi" |
| 02:45.09 | jelly | olsen: backward compatibility for scripts which would want to create a device anyway? |
| 02:45.14 | pickcoder | I can edit root files and save them |
| 02:45.20 | olsen | jelly: oh |
| 02:45.22 | pickcoder | >> and > are no different, security wise |
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| 02:45.30 | Guerin | pickcoder: sure, IF you have access to an editor |
| 02:45.40 | pickcoder | Guerin: the point is the sudoer setup is _full_ access |
| 02:45.42 | MatBoy-[ph] | Abrotman, it's just a odd way of compitabillity |
| 02:45.57 | pickcoder | but stdio redirection uses the base userid |
| 02:46.02 | abrotman | MatBoy-[ph]: what ? |
| 02:46.03 | pickcoder | everything els eworks |
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| 02:46.28 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, makedev |
| 02:46.31 | jelly | pickcoder: sudo sh -c 'stuff > foo' |
| 02:46.31 | pickcoder | I remember hitting that in the past and worked around it |
| 02:46.37 | pickcoder | by having the program create the file for me |
| 02:46.39 | SpaceFrog | where is the etch download page? |
| 02:46.43 | abrotman | people still need it .. and it's certainly not doing harm |
| 02:46.46 | abrotman | !d-i SpaceFrog |
| 02:46.46 | dpkg | SpaceFrog, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 02:47.01 | Guerin | pickcoder: say I give you access only to `foo', which just generates output `bar' . you can then do sudo foo > /etc/resolv.conf ; thereby breaking dns resolution for the whole box |
| 02:47.24 | Guerin | pickcoder: THIS is why redirects are done at the shell privilege level |
| 02:47.26 | pickcoder | Guerin: that's not the current situation or test scenario |
| 02:47.35 | Guerin | pickcoder: no, but that's the PURPOSE. |
| 02:47.47 | Guerin | pickcoder: sudo is not root, nor should it be treated as such. |
| 02:47.47 | pickcoder | the effective and actual uid are supposed to be that of the sudoer |
| 02:47.52 | Guerin | nope |
| 02:47.52 | SpaceFrog | so, etch is called testing right? |
| 02:47.58 | SpaceFrog | whats the diff between testing and unstable? |
| 02:47.58 | Guerin | that's what I'm saying: they're not |
| 02:48.01 | abrotman | currently .. yes |
| 02:48.10 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, that can be, but it's far away from beautifull. I have seen topics where suggested that you should remove it when not needed |
| 02:48.12 | abrotman | SpaceFrog: you don't want to use unstable |
| 02:48.25 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 02:48.28 | abrotman | MatBoy-[ph]: silly people |
| 02:48.29 | pickcoder | Guerin: man sudo and read the first paragraph |
| 02:48.30 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 02:48.32 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 02:48.32 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 02:48.41 | jelly | Would it be correct to say that shell opens the fds 0, 1 and such _with current permissions_, then forks off sudo (or anything else really) |
| 02:48.53 | pickcoder | the point of sudo is to set the effective and acutal to root just for the commands selected or ALL if ALL is specified |
| 02:49.01 | Guerin | pickcoder: IRRELEVANT |
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| 02:49.41 | cougar` | Pickacoder: Guerin is basically saying because redirects in that scenario can be used to exploit, it is limited by that declaration. Guerin, pickacoder is stating that it should be scenario based. |
| 02:49.48 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, don't think so. Most people on etch don't need it anymore. You know what your system runs or get back to windows ;) |
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| 02:50.02 | abrotman | MatBoy-[ph]: you'd be wrong |
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| 02:50.23 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, expalin |
| 02:50.31 | abrotman | i used it just the other day on etch |
| 02:50.35 | MatBoy-[ph] | *explain |
| 02:50.37 | Guerin | controlled by a sudoers config switch? Perhaps it is. But it's not like that by default *for a good reason* |
| 02:51.32 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, ok, but this should be checked like apt checks what packages it needs to run a program |
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| 02:51.52 | abrotman | MatBoy-[ph]: that's nice .. you're telling the wrong person . i'm just telling you that it's still useful |
| 02:51.57 | abrotman | !ubuntu |
| 02:51.57 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
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| 02:52.15 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, you don't run a default install I think ;) |
| 02:52.17 | cougar` | Guerin, pickcoder: sudo foo is executed as root. When a redirect it is introduced, the redirection is done as the normal user and not as root. The problem is not wih sudo, but the redirection. The redirection operates tis way because it could cause serious issues. |
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| 02:52.30 | abrotman | MatBoy-[ph]: i think you don't know what you're talking about |
| 02:52.32 | pickcoder | Guerin: please review the examples of sudo |
| 02:52.36 | pickcoder | in the man page |
| 02:52.37 | Guerin | cougar`: you needn't tell me |
| 02:52.41 | Guerin | pickcoder: i have. |
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| 02:52.44 | pickcoder | there are redirect examples as root |
| 02:53.08 | jelly | the redirection is made before the new process is exec'ed... so it's obviously done with the current permissions |
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| 02:53.30 | Guerin | pickcoder: either: controlled by a sudo config switch, or broken by design |
| 02:53.45 | jelly | try strace -ff sh then do a /bin/ech |
| 02:53.49 | MatBoy-[ph] | abrotman, wrong. You stated I was telling the wrong person... So don't worry about it than ;) |
| 02:54.02 | jelly | /bin/echo > /dev/null inside the straced shell and see waht happens |
| 02:54.23 | abrotman | MatBoy-[ph]: because you can't see a need doesn't mean there isn't a need |
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| 02:55.01 | abrotman | mm ... MatBoy the troll |
| 02:55.29 | jelly | he's not a troll, he's a real boy |
| 02:56.33 | stoned | $>glxinfo |grep direct |
| 02:56.34 | stoned | direct rendering: Yes |
| 02:56.34 | pickcoder | erm |
| 02:56.38 | stoned | FUCK YES!@ |
| 02:56.44 | stoned | I will get high |
| 02:56.46 | stoned | and I will not give up |
| 02:56.49 | stoned | I will get my shit to work |
| 02:56.51 | MatBoy | abrotman, dissappointing for you that I hear my PC beep ;) |
| 02:56.55 | pickcoder | the test I just ran created a file from a redirection as root.root |
| 02:57.04 | pickcoder | but it wouldn't create it in a root.root dir |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | MatBoy: why is it disappointing ? |
| 02:57.26 | cougar` | root.root? What |
| 02:57.38 | pickcoder | I ran the USAGE example from the manpage |
| 02:57.42 | MatBoy | abrotman, because I didn't care :) |
| 02:57.45 | pickcoder | but it wouldn't create it in /var/spool/moblock |
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| 02:57.55 | abrotman | MatBoy: but you came back to check anyways .. odd ... |
| 02:57.56 | pickcoder | it didn't return a perme error either |
| 02:57.59 | pickcoder | but it would create it in /tmp/ |
| 02:58.03 | pickcoder | as a root file |
| 02:58.12 | haggz | stoned: thats the spirit! all computer problems can be solved with smoke, caffeine, and grep, in my experience. |
| 02:58.22 | MatBoy | abrotman, no, can type faster on my PC... IRC is always open on one of my screens |
| 02:58.27 | smacnay | is there a program for photo management in console? Or some gui app not heavily related to gnome or kde (so I don't need to install either libs)? |
| 02:58.32 | MatBoy | abrotman, and I was checking something :) |
| 02:58.40 | abrotman | MatBoy: sure .. whatever you say |
| 02:58.44 | jelly | pickcoder: dude. The file is created with the original shell permissions. The already opened fd is then accessed from the execed process |
| 02:58.56 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:58.58 | stoned | indeed |
| 02:59.06 | MatBoy | abrotman, I think you don't know what you are talking about ;) :p |
| 02:59.18 | graytron_ | anyone know how to get debootstrap to work together with fakechroot so that one doesn't need root privileges to bootstrap sid using sarge? |
| 02:59.27 | jelly | pickcoder: if the shell can't create it, guess what will your sudo get as a fd 1. |
| 02:59.27 | mfrisch | stoned: your so crazy...whats working now? |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | MatBoy: are you sure? :(% :^*) |
| 02:59.43 | abrotman | :)%^$$ |
| 02:59.56 | pickcoder | ok |
| 03:00.10 | stoned | mfrisch: DRI! f(uck ATI)glrx |
| 03:00.13 | MatBoy | abrotman, should I care ? ;) |
| 03:00.20 | MatBoy | anyways... I'm gone :) |
| 03:00.21 | abrotman | MatBoy: you came to check the beep ... |
| 03:00.22 | MatBoy | cu |
| 03:00.25 | abrotman | yay! |
| 03:00.29 | stoned | !cu |
| 03:00.29 | dpkg | well, cu is short for "see you", or does not r0x0rz, or "call unix", the uucp modem-dialing program. Cuba A ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant iamagnetic metallic element; occurs in various minerals ut is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses. Atomic number 29. portuguese for "asshole" |
| 03:00.31 | jelly | ^G |
| 03:00.37 | MatBoy | abrotman, man.... you even don't know where I was :) |
| 03:00.45 | mfrisch | stoned: that can be a task ati sucks |
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| 03:00.46 | abrotman | whorehouse ? |
| 03:00.48 | abrotman | :) |
| 03:01.07 | MatBoy | abrotman, stop guessing... you don't know :) |
| 03:01.11 | MatBoy | accept it |
| 03:01.12 | abrotman | nor do i care |
| 03:01.25 | MatBoy | abrotman, you do, because you try to guess it :D |
| 03:01.31 | abrotman | oh yes .. i tried very hard |
| 03:01.33 | MatBoy | ok CU ! |
| 03:01.33 | jelly | MatBoy: unless it was Debian HQ, it is not topical |
| 03:01.37 | cougar` | pickcoder: So what are your findings? |
| 03:01.45 | pickcoder | cougar`: hell if I know |
| 03:01.49 | cougar` | lol |
| 03:01.54 | pickcoder | drop the redirect and it'll work |
| 03:02.03 | pickcoder | or redirect to a file that your base uid owns |
| 03:02.13 | jelly | pickcoder: btw what was the original question? |
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| 03:02.32 | pickcoder | jelly: ask cougar` it was his question |
| 03:02.41 | jelly | cougar`: same question |
| 03:02.41 | pickcoder | I was just trying test scenarios for him |
| 03:02.43 | cougar` | pickcoder: Or use sudo sh -c "foo > bar" |
| 03:02.48 | pickcoder | cougar`: right |
| 03:03.34 | stoned | umm |
| 03:03.44 | xp_prg | is there an /etc/hosts file on debian, I don't see it |
| 03:03.46 | cougar` | Jelly : Was in /var/spool/moblock and tried a sudo cat *.txt > file.txt and was getting a permission denied error. |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | xp_prg: yes |
| 03:04.11 | jelly | cougar`: ah |
| 03:04.31 | jelly | cougar`: you can't write there, everything is right with the world |
| 03:04.36 | cougar` | And did not know about the redirection limit |
| 03:04.36 | stoned | ok |
| 03:04.36 | stoned | so now that DRI works |
| 03:04.36 | stoned | I dont' really need it for anything |
| 03:04.36 | stoned | I was just trying to get it to work |
| 03:04.37 | stoned | :/ |
| 03:04.37 | stoned | what cool stuff can I do with 3d now in debian /fglrx |
| 03:04.37 | stoned | any ideas? |
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| 03:04.50 | stoned | wow that was lag |
| 03:04.50 | pickcoder | stoned: tsk tsk |
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| 03:05.01 | cougar` | Jelly I can write there if I use sudo sh -c "foo > bar" |
| 03:05.05 | stoned | this is ridiculous I said those lines with like 10-12 sec intervals |
| 03:05.10 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:05.10 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:05.15 | jelly | cougar`: no, that's root writing there |
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| 03:05.20 | cougar` | Yeah |
| 03:05.22 | cougar` | Oh |
| 03:05.25 | cougar` | LOL, you as in my user |
| 03:05.30 | stoned | whoah it just got back |
| 03:05.30 | jelly | indeed |
| 03:05.31 | stoned | !ping |
| 03:05.31 | dpkg | pong |
| 03:05.37 | cougar` | damn terminology! |
| 03:05.40 | abrotman | stoned: msg the damn bot |
| 03:05.43 | stoned | yeh, I lagging |
| 03:05.50 | stoned | abrotman: msg the damn bot |
| 03:05.52 | cougar` | Well thank pickcoder, asg, Guerin, and jelly |
| 03:05.57 | cougar` | err thanks* |
| 03:06.04 | abrotman | stoned: i'm not doing a ping for the whoel channel to see |
| 03:06.12 | mfrisch | stoned planet penguin racer nezuiz 3ddesk |
| 03:06.14 | stoned | abrotman: i'm not doing a ping for the whoel channel to see |
| 03:06.20 | cougar` | Appreciate the explanation and defintely did not realize that rule |
| 03:06.23 | abrotman | stoned: you're not ? |
| 03:06.29 | olsen | in what language is apt written? |
| 03:06.30 | stoned | abrotman: you're not ? |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | god .. fuck it |
| 03:06.35 | pickcoder | cougar`: I didn't either, but I'll remember it from now on |
| 03:06.39 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 03:06.40 | stoned | HAHAHA |
| 03:06.42 | cougar` | me too bro :P |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | *plonk* |
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| 03:06.50 | stoned | !lose abrotman |
| 03:06.50 | dpkg | abrotman: You Lose. |
| 03:06.57 | stoned | dun dun dun! |
| 03:06.57 | abrotman | idiot |
| 03:07.00 | stoned | lol |
| 03:07.02 | stoned | thats I |
| 03:07.03 | stoned | :D |
| 03:07.32 | cougar` | pickcoder: I'll remember it well, especially the fact that jelly watched you and I wonder what was goin' on and decided to ask what we were talkin' about after we went through hoops tryin' to figure it out. |
| 03:07.40 | cougar` | :-D LoL |
| 03:07.50 | jelly | !confuse me |
| 03:07.51 | dpkg | No, them was their bacon yesterday, jelly? pants of the monarchy of liechtenstein with extra anchovies |
| 03:07.52 | cougar` | Shame on ya jelly |
| 03:07.55 | xp_prg | what is the command to tell ntpd to synchronize time the time server? |
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| 03:08.12 | cougar` | ntpdate update |
| 03:08.25 | stoned | ntpdate pool.ntp.org or whatever then ntpdate update |
| 03:08.26 | stoned | n |
| 03:08.27 | stoned | m |
| 03:08.27 | abrotman | xp_prg: i use ntpdate |
| 03:08.28 | pickcoder | xp_prg: use ntpdate if you want to perform a huge time offset adjustment |
| 03:08.28 | cougar` | oops |
| 03:08.30 | mfrisch | edit ntp.conf |
| 03:08.35 | cougar` | ntpdate timeserver |
| 03:08.40 | stoned | gimme some money and i'll update it for you |
| 03:08.55 | pickcoder | ntpd will pick up automatically unless it's way outta sync |
| 03:09.03 | jelly | cougar`: I'll add a fake entry for update in /etc/hosts and it'll work! |
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| 03:09.26 | olsen | what version of xorg does etch have? |
| 03:09.35 | abrotman | olsen: packages.debian.org .. 7.1.1 |
| 03:09.51 | haggz | guess I ought to install proprietary drivers in this partition, free nv driver random killing windows as usual. >:o |
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| 03:11.03 | olsen | in what period of time does debian releases a new stable system? |
| 03:11.10 | abrotman | when it's ready |
| 03:11.13 | xp_prg | what file holds the timezone settings? |
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| 03:11.24 | abrotman | /etc/default/rcS |
| 03:11.26 | Wolfcastle | it's like a year and a half between releases i believe |
| 03:11.33 | olsen | abrotman: theres no release cycle? |
| 03:11.34 | jelly | olsen: no fixed interval |
| 03:11.37 | abrotman | no |
| 03:11.45 | olsen | ok |
| 03:11.51 | abrotman | xp_prg: and /etc/timezone |
| 03:11.55 | karsten | olsen: /topic |
| 03:12.00 | stoned | olsen: there is a relese cycle.. the cycle finishes when it finishes |
| 03:12.06 | AussieHatter | does anyone know if i can convert a running machine into a xen image ? |
| 03:12.17 | karsten | AussieHatter: Yes. |
| 03:12.18 | stoned | olsen: there is no set time, but there is a rough schedule that is followed for each release |
| 03:12.28 | AussieHatter | karsten: cool, thx |
| 03:12.28 | stoned | olsen: though it is not always possible to adhere to it |
| 03:12.31 | olsen | stoned: i wanted to say fixed release cycle :) |
| 03:12.33 | jelly | well there is a release cycle, but the rinse part can take years |
| 03:12.41 | stoned | olsen: no fixed cycle no |
| 03:12.47 | olsen | ok |
| 03:12.55 | karsten | AussieHatter: It's generically called "p2v" (physical to virtual). Docs cover it in some detail. |
| 03:12.57 | Wolfcastle | that's what I like about debian, no buggy releases like opensuse had a while ago |
| 03:12.58 | olsen | sounds good so far |
| 03:12.59 | lightcap | would having an two entries pinning package *, one for release testing and one for release stable make apt-get upgrade hold back all my packages? I have no clue why that pin release stable entry is in there... |
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| 03:13.34 | abrotman | lightcap: you would have to pin unless you want to upgrade everything |
| 03:13.37 | phoul | could someone post their sources.list whos on sid for me |
| 03:13.52 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 03:13.52 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:14.09 | lightcap | abrotman: shit, I have no idea why I added that pin...something must've broken during an upgrade in the past... |
| 03:14.15 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:14.21 | phoul | ugg why cant i change acts in this |
| 03:14.27 | phoul | irssi isnt letting me change tabs >< |
| 03:14.28 | lightcap | abrotman: but that seriously worries me... |
| 03:14.40 | abrotman | phogg: /win # ? |
| 03:15.01 | phoul | ahh |
| 03:15.02 | jelly | abrotman: you made a phoul mistake |
| 03:15.07 | lightcap | abrotman: so anything that's saying it's being held back must be from stable then, right? |
| 03:15.12 | phoul | my sources.list is busted to no end |
| 03:15.16 | lightcap | since the second pin entry would hold it back? |
| 03:15.18 | phoul | it cant pull apt-spy |
| 03:15.18 | phoul | >< |
| 03:15.27 | abrotman | lightcap: not likely |
| 03:15.27 | phoul | i figured i would just go that way but alas i cant |
| 03:15.32 | phoul | thats why i was wondering if someone could post theirs |
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| 03:16.16 | lightcap | abrotman: whats |
| 03:16.20 | lightcap | not likely? |
| 03:16.32 | abrotman | lightcap: what's being held back ? |
| 03:16.38 | lightcap | abrotman: 322 packages |
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| 03:16.49 | abrotman | those are probably from etch |
| 03:17.10 | lightcap | hmm. what's holding them back then? |
| 03:17.28 | abrotman | lack of dist-upgrade |
| 03:17.42 | lightcap | abrotman: http://pastie.caboo.se/38166 |
| 03:18.07 | lightcap | abrotman: really? I thought that'd only be necessary for moving from say stable to testing... |
| 03:18.17 | lightcap | oh, wait...no |
| 03:18.42 | abrotman | lightcap: that's what you're trying to do .. apparently |
| 03:19.02 | lightcap | hmm...no, just want the security fixe |
| 03:19.37 | abrotman | lightcap: they come from security.debian.org |
| 03:19.46 | lightcap | I know... |
| 03:19.55 | muszek | hi... stupid question... I can ctrl+right click to change font size in xterm... is there any way to make it a default choice? so that I won't have to change the font every time I start xterm |
| 03:20.01 | lightcap | I've got that in my sources.list... |
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| 03:20.22 | abrotman | lightcap: so which security update are you missing ? |
| 03:20.52 | eldowan | muszek: is there something like ~/.xterm? |
| 03:20.55 | lightcap | abrotman: not sure, but I don't want to have to check all of them... |
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| 03:21.11 | abrotman | lightcap: well .. do you have the openssl you need ? |
| 03:21.17 | lightcap | yeah |
| 03:21.30 | lightcap | this is testing, so it wasn't vulnerable |
| 03:21.31 | muszek | eldowan: no, there isn't |
| 03:21.42 | abrotman | lightcap: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 03:21.50 | eldowan | muszek: good luck then. :p |
| 03:21.52 | lightcap | but that's why I'm a little worried ;-) Obviously my systems aren't up to date |
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| 03:22.02 | muszek | :D |
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| 03:22.23 | lightcap | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.5-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 03:22.43 | abrotman | that's not testing or stable |
| 03:22.47 | lightcap | heh |
| 03:22.48 | lightcap | great |
| 03:23.05 | phoul | umm |
| 03:23.06 | phoul | people? |
| 03:23.08 | abrotman | .Xdefaults maybe |
| 03:23.16 | lightcap | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:23.17 | phoul | I need a working .sources list..... for testing.... fast >_> |
| 03:23.29 | abrotman | lightcap: you probably need to do a dist-upgrade |
| 03:23.33 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 03:23.33 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:23.39 | stoned | phoul: apt-setpu |
| 03:23.44 | stoned | haha setpu |
| 03:23.46 | phoul | im on testing |
| 03:23.47 | lightcap | abrotman: okay... |
| 03:23.49 | phoul | apt-setup dont exist |
| 03:23.54 | abrotman | nope it doesn't |
| 03:23.54 | stoned | oh yeah.. |
| 03:24.00 | stoned | so make a list fro mirrors |
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| 03:24.12 | stoned | there is apt-spy for etch |
| 03:24.13 | stoned | or no? |
| 03:24.18 | lightcap | abrotman: how would those get out of sync? I mean since /etc/debian_version says testing? |
| 03:24.33 | stoned | !find apt-spy etch |
| 03:24.41 | abrotman | lightcap: apt-get -u dist-upgrade .. what does it say will be upgraded ? |
| 03:24.44 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'apt-spy' (3): (/usr/share/fish/completions/apt-spy.fish) in shells/fish ;; (/usr/share/doc/dahb-html/html/apt-spy.html) in non-free/doc/dahb-html ;; (/usr/bin/apt-spy, /etc/apt-spy.conf, /usr/share/menu/apt-spy) in admin/apt-spy. |
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| 03:25.13 | lightcap | abrotman: 319 upgraded, 70 newly installed, 16 to remove and 3 not upgraded |
| 03:25.20 | phoul | no one can just pastebin their sources?... |
| 03:25.26 | Guerin | lightcap: it happens. /msg dpkg kept back |
| 03:25.32 | abrotman | phoul: what's wrong with yours ? |
| 03:25.33 | Guerin | phoul: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 03:25.43 | phoul | they are all no longer found |
| 03:25.44 | phoul | =\ |
| 03:25.52 | lightcap | Guerin: how though? rather avoid it in the future... |
| 03:25.53 | Guerin | bullshit |
| 03:25.59 | phoul | Failed to fetch http://ftp.uwsg.indiana.edu/linux/debian/dists/testing/non-free/source/Sources.gz 404 Not Found |
| 03:26.02 | phoul | same message for each |
| 03:26.05 | Guerin | lightcap: solution: run stable. |
| 03:26.17 | lightcap | I do on most boxes... |
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| 03:26.53 | abrotman | phoul: you're not running unstable |
| 03:27.14 | phoul | i know |
| 03:27.17 | phoul | Im running testing |
| 03:27.20 | phoul | I wanted to update to unstable |
| 03:27.22 | phoul | But either way |
| 03:27.27 | phoul | I need a working sources.list |
| 03:27.33 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 03:27.33 | dpkg | rumour has it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 03:28.16 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 03:28.16 | dpkg | methinks dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
| 03:28.17 | stoned | wtf is with this man |
| 03:28.24 | stoned | oh im lagging constantly |
| 03:28.25 | stoned | fuck |
| 03:28.33 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:28.44 | lkthomas | how could I reinstall mysql if I removed my.cnf as well ? |
| 03:28.50 | pickcoder | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ |
| 03:28.50 | pickcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:28.52 | pickcoder | gah |
| 03:28.54 | pickcoder | that's nice |
| 03:29.27 | abrotman | !tell lkthomas about confmiss |
| 03:29.27 | lkthomas | thx |
| 03:30.43 | SerajewelKS | phoul: uwsg is consistently behind |
| 03:31.00 | abrotman | seems more down than behind |
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| 03:31.01 | pickcoder | phoul: remove the line break there and put a spec |
| 03:31.06 | cartesian1984 | Is there any installer for the live CD like ubuntu has, but for debian? |
| 03:31.08 | pickcoder | space too |
| 03:31.13 | SerajewelKS | phoul: i used to use it because it's on the same ring as my school, so i can get ~4mb/sec, but it's very flaky |
| 03:31.17 | abrotman | !d-i cartesian1984 |
| 03:31.17 | dpkg | cartesian1984, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 03:32.11 | AussieHatter | !monkeys |
| 03:32.12 | dpkg | somebody said monkeys was the most evil creatures in the world....damn bill gates and his monkeys DO NOT FEED THEM ! |
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| 03:33.03 | olsen | why i cant page up/down when i do man foo? |
| 03:33.16 | abrotman | is less installed ? |
| 03:33.30 | olsen | no |
| 03:33.40 | olsen | does man need less for that? |
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| 03:35.46 | dondelelcaro | olsen: yes. |
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| 03:37.11 | dondelelcaro | man is basically just groff -Tasci -man fooman|less. |
| 03:37.22 | dondelelcaro | (well, s/less/sensible-pager/ but you get the idea.) |
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| 03:38.18 | olsen | yeah |
| 03:38.19 | olsen | dondelelcaro: hanks |
| 03:38.23 | olsen | thanks* |
| 03:38.26 | abrotman | but who considers 'more' to be a sensible-pager ? :) |
| 03:38.59 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: well, it's the most sensible one available when less doesn't exist. |
| 03:39.15 | abrotman | yeah .. but it's so .. yucky :) |
| 03:39.22 | mfrisch | you can set the pager var I like most |
| 03:39.28 | BetaCookies | should I install etch or sid? |
| 03:39.36 | dondelelcaro | abrotman: sure |
| 03:39.43 | haggz | betacookies: etch almost certainly |
| 03:39.43 | dondelelcaro | BetaCookies: etch. |
| 03:39.46 | olsen | oh, i can just man foo | more |
| 03:39.48 | olsen | :) |
| 03:40.05 | dondelelcaro | olsen: yes, but that doesn't page up either. more is a crappy pager that doesn't buffer. |
| 03:40.49 | olsen | dondelelcaro: yeah, noticed |
| 03:41.02 | olsen | dondelelcaro: but i get the idea now |
| 03:41.10 | olsen | :) |
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| 03:42.48 | gmcinnes | a bad thing has happened. I did dist-upgrade to sid and my kernel was removed but not replaced with another. Any ideas how to fix it? |
| 03:43.04 | dondelelcaro | gmcinnes: boot off of rescue media, and install a kernel. |
| 03:43.06 | Guerin | gmcinnes: install a kernel? |
| 03:43.14 | Guerin | a crazy idea, I know |
| 03:43.47 | Wolfcastle | lol |
| 03:43.57 | gmcinnes | wacka wacka. |
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| 03:44.42 | xbaez | hi |
| 03:45.32 | gmcinnes | for a more sensible question: what's the best way to do an automated install with only a few packages in debian? |
| 03:45.42 | abrotman | fai |
| 03:45.47 | abrotman | or maybe preseeding |
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| 03:45.56 | pickcoder | gmcinnes: more than likely the meta package for the kernel wasn't installed |
| 03:46.05 | pickcoder | the same thing happens on sarge->etch dist-upgrade |
| 03:46.06 | gmcinnes | I don't want to have to set up an install server. Can you get away without doing that using fai? |
| 03:46.12 | haggz | gmcinnes: i just dist-upgraded a partition to sid and it left all my old kernels available, was there something nonstandard about your configuration? |
| 03:46.37 | pickcoder | I posted a bug report for apt a few weeks ago |
| 03:46.42 | Guerin | that happens quite routinely when there's a kernel metapackage installed |
| 03:46.54 | gmcinnes | haggz: nope. It was a fresh net install |
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| 03:47.06 | Guerin | the basic rule of `check what apt is doing' applies |
| 03:47.10 | rez34 | I need consulting help, Knoppix 4.02 wifi setup |
| 03:47.37 | gmcinnes | 's ok. its not the end of the world. I'll just have to find an appropriate rescue disc. |
| 03:47.43 | mfrisch | rez34: $150/hour the first thing I suggest is a new OS |
| 03:47.48 | Guerin | rez34: debian.org/consultanta |
| 03:47.53 | Guerin | rez34: debian.org/consultants |
| 03:48.41 | Dacicus | Does the Sarge net installation come with any PDF viewer? |
| 03:48.53 | Guerin | Dacicus: depends what you install. |
| 03:49.10 | Dacicus | oh |
| 03:49.22 | abrotman | Dacicus: xpdf/gpdf/kpdf |
| 03:49.26 | rez34 | Guerin: r.e. consulting, thanks for the referral |
| 03:49.33 | abrotman | or try #knoppix |
| 03:49.37 | Guerin | Dacicus: if you select `Desktop', then yes. Otherwise there are half a million available |
| 03:49.49 | rez34 | abrotman: thanks also |
| 03:49.56 | Dacicus | Well, I installed Debian in VMWare using just the net install ISO |
| 03:50.03 | Dacicus | I don't think I selected desktop |
| 03:50.13 | abrotman | you can run tasksel again |
| 03:50.24 | Dacicus | at least, it's been starting up with the command line all the time |
| 03:50.35 | pickcoder | except acrobat reader... |
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| 03:52.48 | Dacicus | Okay, so do you guys recommend any specific PDF viewer? |
| 03:54.34 | hark | evince is good |
| 03:54.53 | haggz | dacicus: evince recommendation here also |
| 03:54.59 | abrotman | i don't think sarge has evince |
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| 03:55.56 | hark | eh.. sarge, then xpdf i guess |
| 03:56.19 | haggz | i think ghostview is in sarge? |
| 03:56.39 | abrotman | xpdf or gpdf |
| 03:56.40 | Dacicus | It's not possible to install evince in Sarge? |
| 03:56.57 | abrotman | try gpdf |
| 03:57.17 | hark | Dacicus: too many dependencies unfortunately for that... |
| 03:57.34 | Dacicus | What's GNOME? |
| 03:58.03 | abrotman | !gnome |
| 03:58.04 | dpkg | methinks gnome is a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 03:58.13 | abrotman | that's kind of useless :) |
| 03:58.40 | Dacicus | So, it's a GUI? |
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| 03:58.43 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:59.00 | Dacicus | command-line ftw |
| 03:59.00 | haggz | also uselessly: its the Gnu Network Object Model :) |
| 03:59.59 | abrotman | Dacicus: PDF ? |
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| 04:00.00 | abrotman | try pdf2txt or whatever it's called |
| 04:00.01 | Dacicus | So, it's not possible to view PDFs without installing a GUI? |
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| 04:00.05 | abrotman | what would you like to view them in ? |
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| 04:01.00 | Dacicus | idk the requirements for viewing PDFs. I'm just asking. |
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| 04:04.28 | haggz | dacicus: apt-cache search pstotext, if that utility is in sarge repos it will let you extract the text from pdfs, apparently |
| 04:05.03 | Dacicus | I guess I'll just have to get some GUI :( |
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| 04:06.12 | Dacicus | So, what do you guys recommend for that? |
| 04:06.14 | stoned | get gooey? |
| 04:06.17 | stoned | ahahah |
| 04:06.29 | stoned | xpdf |
| 04:06.39 | stoned | you need to be onn X in order to view a pdf afaik |
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| 04:06.57 | Dacicus | Okay |
| 04:07.00 | stoned | you can however use some sort of a pdf > converter on cli but I'm not aware ofo sucha tool |
| 04:07.00 | Dacicus | so I need to get this X thing |
| 04:07.15 | stoned | pdf > text |
| 04:07.18 | Dacicus | How large is it, anyway? |
| 04:07.23 | stoned | Dacicus: what hardware are you running? |
| 04:07.27 | stoned | system specs? |
| 04:07.39 | Dacicus | stoned: I'm running Debian in VMWare Server. |
| 04:07.46 | stoned | yeah |
| 04:07.51 | Dacicus | My real OS is WinXP Home. |
| 04:07.56 | stoned | just let it use 128mb of ram |
| 04:08.03 | stoned | and apt-get xorg |
| 04:08.06 | stoned | or whatever |
| 04:08.17 | stoned | for video I guess you can try vesa |
| 04:08.22 | Dacicus | slight problem |
| 04:08.24 | stoned | I've never used ht stuff |
| 04:08.27 | stoned | try #vmware |
| 04:08.31 | Dacicus | I disabled internet access. |
| 04:08.31 | stoned | that* |
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| 04:08.56 | haggz | dacicus: if you used netinstall cd and have disabled your internet, you are kind of short on options |
| 04:09.05 | stoned | I can help you install X but I can't support vmware sorry |
| 04:09.31 | stoned | Dacicus: there are sarge images you can use with vmplayer/vmware |
| 04:09.34 | stoned | free |
| 04:09.44 | stoned | download one its only like a few hundred mb i think |
| 04:09.47 | stoned | or less |
| 04:09.57 | stoned | there are images for vmplayer/vmware with the sarge di |
| 04:10.04 | stoned | but you have to have internet |
| 04:10.09 | stoned | I can say no more |
| 04:10.14 | stoned | google. |
| 04:10.31 | srobert | Dacicus: if you need to see a pdf and your running VMWare on an XP machine. Can't you see the pdf from the XP machine using acroread? |
| 04:10.43 | stoned | srobert: wow.. |
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| 04:10.55 | stoned | the most obvious question |
| 04:10.57 | stoned | haha |
| 04:10.57 | olsen | seems that the mplayer build in debian doesnt have the codec i need for decoding aac+ :/ |
| 04:11.03 | olsen | what could i do? |
| 04:11.10 | stoned | what is aac |
| 04:11.14 | Dacicus | srobert: lol, good point |
| 04:11.24 | olsen | stoned: a propietary codec |
| 04:11.29 | stoned | olsen: you might already have it, but do you know w32codecs? |
| 04:11.29 | Dacicus | I just wanted to make sure the PDF was turning out correctly |
| 04:11.35 | Dacicus | but, yeah, it's fine |
| 04:11.36 | olsen | stoned: i need it for decoding this - http://www.di.fm/aacplus/trance.pls |
| 04:11.46 | olsen | stoned: is not in w32codecs |
| 04:12.02 | stoned | olsen: is it possible to try and see if the dll from windows will somehow work with it |
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| 04:12.12 | haggz | olsen: did you install faad? |
| 04:12.14 | stoned | you tried vlc? maybe that has it? |
| 04:12.27 | srobert | Dacicus: but you raise an interesting question. Is there a pdf viewer for Linux that could be run without X11? |
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| 04:12.51 | haggz | !pstotext |
| 04:13.05 | olsen | haggz: no, im doing that now |
| 04:13.38 | Dacicus | srobert: Yeah, I guess. I mean, there's apparently one for pure DOS. |
| 04:14.04 | Supaplex | so FreeDOS. |
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| 04:14.20 | Dacicus | Yeah, I have that. |
| 04:14.20 | srobert | I didn't know there was one for DOS |
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| 04:14.59 | olsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.02 | Dacicus | Well, I guess it's not exactly a pure PDF viewer |
| 04:15.04 | Dacicus | http://www.nomdo.dds.nl/psview.htm |
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| 04:15.24 | Supaplex | what's pure these days anyway |
| 04:15.28 | Dacicus | changes the PDF to PS then to PCX images |
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| 04:16.11 | srobert | Supaplex: It turns out that that SCSI drive you were trying to help me with last night was damaged. I used the enclosure with a different drive and it worked fine. |
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| 04:17.03 | Supaplex | srobert: I guess I needed sleep. I don't recall any scsi drive issue, but I was up far too late :P |
| 04:18.40 | srobert | Supaplex: You were giving legitimate advice in you sleep but I don't think any thing would've helped. I kept getting messages like "cannot read from sector 0" and such. |
| 04:19.21 | Supaplex | srobert: amazing... remind me some more hehe |
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| 04:20.42 | olsen | haggz: just installed faad |
| 04:20.55 | olsen | haggz: it works!!!!!! |
| 04:20.55 | olsen | :D |
| 04:21.00 | srobert | Supaplex: Well, I had it in an enclosure and you had me checking cat /proc/partitions, plugging and unplugging the USB connection, etc. |
| 04:21.03 | olsen | haggz: thanks :) |
| 04:21.20 | Supaplex | oh yea. ok I remember that part now. |
| 04:21.28 | haggz | olsen: awesome, glad that worked out |
| 04:21.53 | olsen | haggz: :) |
| 04:22.12 | olsen | is alsamixer in alsa-utils? |
| 04:22.34 | nvz | probably |
| 04:22.47 | srobert | Supaplex: I put a different drive in that enclosure. and restarted hotplug and voila, /dev/sda1-4 became available. I took the first hard drive out on the porch and beat it to death with a sledge hammer. |
| 04:22.54 | nvz | olsen: packages.debian.org or apt-file would know.. or you could apt-cache show alsa-utils |
| 04:23.23 | nvz | seeing how the contents of that package are in its description |
| 04:23.42 | olsen | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:23.42 | Supaplex | srobert: hehe. stupid busticated HDD :P |
| 04:23.46 | olsen | yeah its there, thanks :) |
| 04:24.03 | srobert | I thought you'd like to know LOL |
| 04:24.22 | olsen | debian is awesome |
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| 04:25.40 | SpaceFrog_AFK | so i just installed debian etch.. it's beautiful, by the way. But I'm running a server, and I only need a basic gnome desktop - is it possible to delete the games off this? |
| 04:26.23 | haggz | spacefrog: sure but be careful that apt doesn't get carried away and delete things you need |
| 04:26.35 | nvz | SpaceFrog_AFK: yeah but you shouldnt have installed "Desktop System" from tasksel on a server in teh first place |
| 04:26.42 | SpaceFrog_AFK | yeah, that was the fear i had. |
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| 04:26.47 | nvz | SpaceFrog_AFK: or installed the gnome metapackage |
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| 04:26.52 | SpaceFrog_AFK | nvz: i wanted gnome |
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| 04:27.03 | hark | !install gnome |
| 04:27.03 | nvz | SpaceFrog_AFK: no, you wanted a subset of gnome |
| 04:27.03 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 04:27.22 | SpaceFrog | ohhh, i see |
| 04:27.30 | nvz | SpaceFrog: you could have just got what you wanted.. like gnome-panel, gnome-session, nautilus..etc |
| 04:27.30 | SpaceFrog | hmm perhaps i should just reinstall |
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| 04:27.39 | X-Hacker | hello |
| 04:27.49 | nvz | SpaceFrog: might be easier than swamping through hundreds of packages and removing what you didnt want |
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| 04:28.18 | SpaceFrog | if i just apt-get install gnome-core, what do i get? |
| 04:28.22 | nvz | SpaceFrog: just install your base-system and maybe your server packages then drop into a console and install just the basics of what X packages you need. |
| 04:28.26 | nvz | !depends gnome-core |
| 04:28.30 | dpkg | gnome-core: depends on bug-buddy (>= 2.12.1), eog (>= 2.14.3), gedit (>= 2.14.4), gnome-applets (>= 2.14.3), gnome-control-center (>= 1:2.14.2), gnome-icon-theme (>= 2.12.1), gnome-menus (>= 2.14.3), gnome-panel (>= 2.14.3), gnome-session (>= 2.14.3), gnome-terminal (>= 2.14.2), metacity (>= 1:2.14.5) | sawfish, nautilus (>= 2.14.3), scrollkeeper (>= 0.3.14), yelp (>= 2.14.3) |
| 04:28.33 | nvz | SpaceFrog: ^ |
| 04:28.35 | SpaceFrog | ahh thanks :) |
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| 04:29.58 | SpaceFrog | I'm re-installing.. |
| 04:30.08 | nvz | SpaceFrog: basically gnome without teh whole gnome office, games..etc I like gnome but I dont run it. I dont even have gnome-session installed which is the actuall session manager which you would consider "running gnome" |
| 04:30.20 | nvz | SpaceFrog: I just use sawfish, gnome-panel and nautilus |
| 04:31.04 | nvz | SpaceFrog: my .xsession is something like gnome-panel& \n nautilus -n& \n gnome-settings-daemon & \n sawfish |
| 04:31.28 | nvz | SpaceFrog: look-and-feel of gnome without all the bloat |
| 04:33.30 | buu | So.. are AMD Semprons 32bit or 64bit? |
| 04:33.43 | SpaceFrog | ah, i'll keep that one in mind, nvz :) |
| 04:33.58 | SpaceFrog | is sawfish another session? |
| 04:34.39 | haggz | buu: that's not exactly a yes/no question, but for most users 64-bit architecture doesn't offer an advantage at this point |
| 04:34.48 | buu | haggz: Er, it isn't? |
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| 04:35.41 | haggz | buu: the older semprons dont fully support the 64-bit instruction set according to the resources i checked out. im using a sempron 3000+ machine right now. |
| 04:35.55 | buu | It's a 3500+ sempron mobile thingy. |
| 04:35.58 | buu | So that is 64bit? |
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| 04:36.40 | haggz | buu: i don't know, but google probably does...although you will find lots of hits from people just asking the same question and getting varying answers. |
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| 04:37.12 | DemonJester | buu: it's 64bit |
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| 04:38.22 | rez34 | Hi - I need consulting help getting wifi to work on debian 2.6.12/Knoppix 4.02 |
| 04:38.35 | buu | DemonJester: Wacky. |
| 04:39.23 | quintin | debian sux |
| 04:39.27 | quintin | and you're all a lot of wankers |
| 04:39.50 | buu | It's a hobby. |
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| 04:40.11 | quintin | Why the fuck does the installer think I have an md1 device when I have deleted partitions on all hard disks? :( |
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| 04:40.56 | quintin | really wtf |
| 04:41.05 | DebianCookies | bye, installing debian :) |
| 04:41.05 | craigevil | rez34: try asking in #knoppix |
| 04:41.13 | DebianCookies | ack its not working it seems |
| 04:41.22 | DebianCookies | ohp there it goes |
| 04:41.30 | quintin | help plz |
| 04:41.38 | DebianCookies | quintin whats the problem? |
| 04:41.38 | rez34 | craigevil: I did and there's no reply, it's pretty dead there. |
| 04:41.57 | craigevil | might try #kanotix since its based on knoppix more or less |
| 04:42.20 | rez34 | craigevil: thanks, will give it a go... bye |
| 04:42.43 | nvz | SpaceFrog: no sawfish is another window manager which gnome used to use before they adopted metacity (megashitty) |
| 04:42.53 | DebianCookies | quinton if you think debian sucks, might as well go use your windows, and get a typing program too, along with splel cehkczz |
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| 04:43.05 | DebianCookies | oops |
| 04:43.09 | SpaceFrog | nvz: i see :) |
| 04:43.16 | nvz | SpaceFrog: I am a sawfish nerd.. I dont think I'll ever change my mind about it being the greatest wm ever.. you're better off not even gettin me started on that |
| 04:43.42 | quintin | DebianCookies: I don't have windows, you ignorant cunt |
| 04:43.45 | SpaceFrog | if it's a lightweight option to the default, I might try it |
| 04:43.52 | pickcoder | quintin: restart the install |
| 04:43.57 | quintin | pickcoder: I have! :( |
| 04:44.15 | nvz | SpaceFrog: eh sawfish is lightweight compared to some wms but metacity is pretty lightweight itself |
| 04:44.19 | quintin | pickcoder: I even clear all partition tables, and restart. There is still a phantom md1 or something though. and my install fails |
| 04:44.31 | pickcoder | that's softraid for ya |
| 04:44.40 | DebianCookies | quintin well you "sux: |
| 04:44.59 | quintin | used it before on linux without problems. |
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| 04:45.01 | DebianCookies | damn this small keyboard >.> |
| 04:45.11 | quintin | "error informing kernel about changes do /dev/md0p1" ?? |
| 04:45.14 | nvz | SpaceFrog: sawfish has a smaller installed size, but I dont know about memory footprint when running cause I just dont like metacity to know what its memory footprint is like |
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| 04:46.40 | nvz | SpaceFrog: main reasons gnome switched to metacity is cause sawfish is programmed in a propriatary kind of lisp that not many people are familiar with, and thus has fallen a little behind the times in terms of standards such as themability and minor issues like that. |
| 04:47.02 | liable | does busybox have dd? |
| 04:47.06 | nvz | SpaceFrog: as far as functionality its unparalleled. being programmed in lisp allows dynamic configuration options like no other |
| 04:47.19 | SpaceFrog | nvs: oh, i see. |
| 04:47.31 | pickcoder | quitin: did you boot using expert install? |
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| 04:48.20 | stoned | liable: I got DRI to work |
| 04:48.37 | liable | stoned: cool, what did you have to do in the end? |
| 04:48.44 | stoned | liable: kernel version /module didn't match so I fixed that... now with beryl/Xgl I get a white cube |
| 04:48.58 | stoned | liable: I can spin it around.. but its all white, garbled up |
| 04:49.24 | stoned | liable: I can see the outlines of my panels |
| 04:49.30 | liable | stoned: hrm, did you compile the svn? |
| 04:49.37 | stoned | liable: I narrowed the problem down to one package |
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| 04:50.11 | stoned | liable: I think xserver-xorg 1.1.1-x does not specify/support some GL_texture_map extention |
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| 04:50.38 | stoned | liable: that is all I discovered .. it is suggessted to downgrade.. but that screws up dependencies |
| 04:50.48 | liable | stoned: i think thats the thing you need for aiglx, and the ati driver doesnt have it. |
| 04:50.59 | stoned | hmm |
| 04:51.11 | stoned | that is true, aiglx is disabled as is composite in xorg.conf |
| 04:51.33 | liable | stoned: which version of xorg?? |
| 04:51.43 | liable | i still have 7.1.0 |
| 04:51.50 | stoned | 7.1.0.11 |
| 04:52.00 | liable | havent upgraded in a while, havent had a decent net connection.. |
| 04:52.00 | stoned | 7.1.0-11 |
| 04:52.09 | liable | oh, i have -11 |
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| 04:52.19 | liable | works fine |
| 04:52.20 | stoned | its the lastest in sid |
| 04:52.43 | stoned | any ideas? |
| 04:52.48 | liable | stoned: where did you get your beryl from? did you compile xgl, or get packages? |
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| 04:52.56 | stoned | precompiled |
| 04:53.01 | stoned | beryl wiki for installing on debian |
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| 04:53.07 | stoned | per #beryl |
| 04:53.33 | liable | i compiled xgl, and got beryl from svn about 2 months ago, try the latest stable snapshot |
| 04:53.47 | Leprehaun | hi can someone tell me the command for stopping shutting down the pc from root |
| 04:54.01 | stoned | man shutdown |
| 04:54.07 | stoned | shutdown -r now for reboot |
| 04:54.07 | Leprehaun | ty ... |
| 04:54.50 | Leprehaun | im jusyt new to linux ... wheres the best place togo to find out info on commands and such ? |
| 04:55.01 | stoned | !grounding |
| 04:55.01 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 04:55.22 | stoned | Leprehaun: /msg dpkg dpkgbot, /msg dpkg package basics |
| 04:55.25 | Leprehaun | ty stoned :) |
| 04:55.33 | stoned | Leprehaun: aldo www.debian.org/doc |
| 04:55.50 | SpaceFrog | i just reinstalled.. now i'm trying to use apt, but it's asking for the netinst CD |
| 04:56.05 | stoned | SpaceFrog: sarge or etch? |
| 04:56.07 | SpaceFrog | etch |
| 04:56.15 | haggz | spacefrog: disable the CD from the repositories list |
| 04:56.19 | stoned | SpaceFrog: modify /etc/apt/sources list and take out the CD line |
| 04:56.22 | SpaceFrog | oh, of course |
| 04:56.23 | SpaceFrog | thanks |
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| 04:58.09 | stoned | liable: got any doc links on it? |
| 04:58.20 | stoned | liable: like the dev packages I would need etc. |
| 04:59.20 | liable | stoned: i think the beryl home page mentions the stable snapshot, the -dev package i needed made me pull my hair out, most give you a good clue during compile, but one or two are complete bastards to find what its after. |
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| 04:59.39 | liable | apt-file is your friend |
| 05:00.15 | liable | stoned: though i think the beryl source has a debian directory, and you can get the depends from in there |
| 05:00.23 | stoned | I'll check it out |
| 05:00.28 | stoned | thanks bro |
| 05:00.40 | liable | np |
| 05:01.21 | SpaceFrog | if i just apt-get install gnome-core, will that install the window manager too? |
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| 05:01.38 | hark | SpaceFrog: yes |
| 05:01.52 | SpaceFrog | thx hark |
| 05:02.06 | grew | why isnt acroread in debian |
| 05:02.19 | craigevil | because its not FOSS |
| 05:02.21 | haggz | grew: its not free software |
| 05:02.49 | stoned | !dmm |
| 05:02.49 | dpkg | [dmm] Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 05:03.06 | craigevil | there is always gpdf, xpdf, evince, kpdf and ^^^ |
| 05:03.14 | grew | haggz: why isnt it in nonfree |
| 05:03.15 | stoned | grew: go dmm.. add the respository.. apt-get install acroread |
| 05:03.30 | stoned | christian marillat packages it |
| 05:03.47 | stoned | I wouldjus use xpdf or gpdf |
| 05:04.01 | SpaceFrog | after installing gnome-core, how do i start it? |
| 05:04.07 | stoned | SpaceFrog: startx |
| 05:04.12 | stoned | SpaceFrog: or install gdm |
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| 05:07.47 | jdhoreotg | when i update my GRUB menu.lst, do i have to somehow resync Grub or something or am i done? |
| 05:08.09 | liable | jdhoreotg: thats it |
| 05:08.25 | jdhoreotg | ok, cool, thanks liable |
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| 05:11.49 | SpaceFrog | How can i change the time and date on my machine? |
| 05:12.00 | SpaceFrog | in the OS, i mean |
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| 05:12.11 | liable | !set the time |
| 05:12.11 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch) to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 05:13.57 | mhiku | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:15.23 | GNP | Im running kde and tried aptitude install unrar but no candidate found |
| 05:15.29 | GNP | what do I need to get? |
| 05:16.15 | haggz | gnp: try unrar-free |
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| 05:17.17 | haggz | im actually a bot that just does apt-cache search for whatever people ask about, its fun:) |
| 05:17.26 | Guerin | GNP: get the author's binary from rarlabs.de |
| 05:17.29 | olsen | is there a way to say in debian-installer to format the partition with mke2fs -c -c (for check the device badblocks) |
| 05:17.54 | Guerin | it's not free, but since it's only used for warez, free software people don't care enough to tre-implement it |
| 05:17.58 | olsen | or my better choice is to make that manually and then install the files with debian-installer? |
| 05:18.04 | GNP | is there another unrar app I can use with aptitude install? |
| 05:18.11 | olsen | without formating |
| 05:18.12 | Guerin | olsen: the latter |
| 05:18.19 | Guerin | GNP: no, see above. |
| 05:18.20 | olsen | Guerin: ok |
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| 05:18.34 | olsen | Guerin: i've got a device with tons of badblocks |
| 05:18.49 | Guerin | olsen: throw it out and get a new one |
| 05:18.58 | olsen | Guerin: i don't have money |
| 05:19.06 | Guerin | i know, i know |
| 05:19.06 | Guerin | you have some fucking stupid reason you can't |
| 05:19.33 | Guerin | you can't get a 10G drive for $2 at some local place? |
| 05:19.37 | olsen | Guerin: being poor is not a stupid reason |
| 05:19.58 | haggz | gnp: doesn't ark for kde support .rar? |
| 05:20.00 | adammck | hello. i have a debian server which is acting very strangely. i've dumped the output of some commands here [ http://rafb.net/p/15EbEC94.txt ] if anyone could be kind enough to take a look. the problem is kind of self-explanitory... there are daemons running which don't exist! |
| 05:20.05 | olsen | Guerin: but i've got my lcd for free, my amd64 for free, my internet for free, etc |
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| 05:20.15 | olsen | Guerin: :p |
| 05:20.21 | Guerin | if you're too poor to buy a $2 drive, you ought to be out begging instead of playing on your computer |
| 05:20.29 | GNP | haggz I dont know Im new to nix |
| 05:20.33 | SpaceFrog | Guerin: shut it. |
| 05:20.39 | Guerin | haggz: ark is a wrapper around backends |
| 05:20.41 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: fuck off. |
| 05:21.00 | olsen | haha |
| 05:21.00 | olsen | calm down guys |
| 05:21.05 | SpaceFrog | :) I'm calm. |
| 05:21.17 | olsen | Guerin: i will get a new one eventually |
| 05:21.21 | olsen | being calm is nice |
| 05:21.36 | Guerin | the point is that expecting us to support an install on a broken medium is going to waste *hours* of time |
| 05:21.57 | craigevil | better to just use a livecd until you can get a new HD |
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| 05:22.55 | drako | Hi |
| 05:23.01 | homebrewcider | can anyone please help, or at least point me in the right direction to get my usb camera working please |
| 05:23.34 | GNP | cd |
| 05:23.37 | homebrewcider | running freespire, debian offshoot |
| 05:23.56 | olsen | Guerin: but mke2fs -c -c wont avoid the bad blocks? |
| 05:24.03 | craigevil | try ther freespire mailing-list |
| 05:24.18 | Guerin | homebrewcider: use debian and we can help you. We have no idea how broken freespire is. |
| 05:24.24 | olsen | Guerin: wont that be kinda safe? |
| 05:24.25 | Guerin | olsen: not reliably. |
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| 05:24.43 | Guerin | olsen: it *might* work. I wouldn't call it `safe' |
| 05:24.57 | olsen | Guerin: yeah |
| 05:25.24 | olsen | Guerin: most seagates died on me, like three times already |
| 05:25.24 | olsen | i'm not sure if buying seagates anymore |
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| 05:26.15 | Guerin | olsen: i've had hard drives of all flavours die on me |
| 05:26.17 | navaburo | 'evening all |
| 05:26.25 | Guerin | and of most flavours last absurdly long times |
| 05:26.36 | Guerin | so I just pick at random nowadays |
| 05:27.12 | GNP | says rar is a command line only app for linux |
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| 05:27.24 | Guerin | i have a seagate, a samsung and a maxtor in this box, a toshiba and an IBM in my other box |
| 05:27.37 | Guerin | GNP: it's actually a commend-line app for many OSen |
| 05:29.39 | AussieHatter | i find that they last 2 or 3 years these days, maybe if your luck, regardless of bramd |
| 05:29.57 | AussieHatter | maybe 4 if u r lucky that is, and maybe a 40% failure rate |
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| 05:30.26 | AussieHatter | ah gone are the days of the forever lasting 10gb hard drive |
| 05:30.32 | AussieHatter | and i miss them.... |
| 05:31.14 | Guerin | AussieHatter: mm. I've had this samsung since the start of 2003. The IBM is a 20G of unknown provenance, but has a sticker saying 2002 on it. |
| 05:31.20 | Guerin | but yeah |
| 05:31.22 | nvz | 10gb is nothing.. though I remember the days having like a 20mb hd and sitting there wondering how I'd ever fill it up |
| 05:31.36 | olsen | nvz: lol |
| 05:31.42 | AussieHatter | i think i still have an old 10 gb that still works |
| 05:31.43 | Guerin | at the end of 2004 I was gutted when my 4G quantum fireball died, after 8 years of service |
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| 05:32.10 | AussieHatter | actually, i meant to say much smaller in my comments |
| 05:32.27 | AussieHatter | i remember paying $130 dollars for a 180mb seagate that lasted forever |
| 05:32.34 | AussieHatter | in 93 or earlier |
| 05:32.41 | nvz | olsen: well there wasnt all thes audio, video, image//etc compression formats back then so storing those large types of data wasnt common or even possible.. so you really didnt have much to store on your pc |
| 05:32.49 | AussieHatter | but now, much mor mechanical advantage, or disadvantage |
| 05:33.01 | amve | hi..i am getting problems to create network installable image |
| 05:33.08 | olsen | nvz: yeah |
| 05:33.18 | nvz | olsen: ascii pr0n doesnt take up much space |
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| 05:38.54 | haggz | gnp: still working on ark support in kde? i have a working solution i just tested |
| 05:39.13 | GNP | whats that? |
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| 05:40.48 | haggz | with standard kdeutils, ark, and konqueror, i installed unrar-free and then created a link to unrar-free in usr/bin labeled unrar -- it seems unrar-free works compatibly when called by ark |
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| 05:41.16 | Guerin | well, yes and no |
| 05:41.27 | Guerin | the problem is it only opens some rar archives |
| 05:41.45 | haggz | guering: yeah i havent tested extensively, i just downloaded a sample file and got it opened succesfully |
| 05:41.51 | Supaplex | !rar |
| 05:41.51 | dpkg | rar is probably an archiver used mostly by 3l33+ war3z d00dz, or the worst file format ever, or ask me about unrar |
| 05:42.23 | jstevens | Anybody know why the subkeys.pgp.net keyservers don't synchronize with the pgp.mit.edu keyserver? |
| 05:42.35 | Dacicus | wow, the bot uses AoL speech |
| 05:42.52 | Guerin | !aolify Dacicus |
| 05:43.15 | quintin | plz to be fixing my stupid debian installer problems kthnx |
| 05:43.38 | Guerin | quintin: set up that ssl server we talked about and I'll help you |
| 05:43.45 | DavidProck1981 | does any one know if I can install libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 on etch |
| 05:43.51 | quintin | Guerin: I don't have the requisite knowledge. |
| 05:44.02 | Dacicus | Guerin: Why did you do that? |
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| 05:44.12 | Guerin | quintin: oh, *I* know this - I was just waiting for the realisation to hit you. |
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| 05:44.18 | DavidProck1981 | have not done so, just want to know if I can |
| 05:44.25 | quintin | Guerin: I never said I did. ... |
| 05:44.26 | Guerin | Dacicus: it's funny, laugh. |
| 05:44.40 | Dacicus | lol |
| 05:44.46 | Guerin | quintin: no, you said it could be done ... which made evident your lack of knowledge |
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| 05:45.05 | Guerin | DavidProck1981: anything's possible. |
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| 05:45.47 | DavidProck1981 | do you know how to |
| 05:46.09 | quintin | Guerin: I just know someone who has done it, that is all |
| 05:46.18 | Guerin | quintin: no, you don't. |
| 05:46.38 | Guerin | quintin: because it's technically impossible. The protocol doesn't support it. |
| 05:46.48 | DavidProck1981 | I see libstdc++-libc6 avaible but not libstdc++-libc6.1-1 |
| 05:47.05 | quintin | Guerin: whatever. I have no interest in debating it with you. period. like, ever. |
| 05:47.15 | Guerin | quintin: you lose. |
| 05:47.19 | quintin | Guerin: fuck off |
| 05:47.19 | Guerin | (again) |
| 05:47.24 | Guerin | rrowr |
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| 05:47.46 | edgarin | some people know about the chipset of ethernet card of a laptop Gateway SOLO 5300 |
| 05:47.47 | edgarin | ? |
| 05:47.58 | pickcoder | quintin: did you run the expert mode install? |
| 05:48.05 | Guerin | edgarin: i expect some people, somewhere, do. |
| 05:48.13 | quintin | pickcoder: no.. should I? |
| 05:48.27 | quintin | edgarin: not really. did you look at google? what does lspci say? |
| 05:48.29 | pickcoder | it gives you many more options than a regular install |
| 05:49.12 | quintin | pickcoder: I'm getting the same problems trying an ubuntu alternate install disc too |
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| 05:49.36 | edgarin | this lapto not have a operating system installend |
| 05:49.43 | edgarin | then, I want install Debian in this laptop |
| 05:49.52 | Guerin | edgarin: please do. |
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| 05:49.57 | edgarin | and... I found a manual in the site of debian for instalar |
| 05:50.00 | edgarin | for install Debian |
| 05:50.02 | edgarin | on the network |
| 05:50.05 | quintin | edgarin: get the system rescue CD and boot it and see if it detects hardware. or debian netinst disc. or some other livecd |
| 05:50.09 | SpaceFrog | how can i get my wireless working in debian? |
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| 05:50.15 | SpaceFrog | (I'm installing fresh on one machine) |
| 05:50.20 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: depends. |
| 05:50.25 | quintin | SpaceFrog: man iwconfig ? |
| 05:50.31 | haggz | !not working |
| 05:50.31 | quintin | SpaceFrog: are you using a supported chipset? |
| 05:50.31 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:50.33 | edgarin | this laptop don't have a CD-ROM but I can boot this with diskettes |
| 05:50.41 | edgarin | for install Debian on the network |
| 05:50.45 | edgarin | wait.. |
| 05:50.49 | SpaceFrog | quintin: It's a D-Link, so i guess it would be supported |
| 05:50.51 | Guerin | edgarin: google the model name and chipset |
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| 05:50.56 | Guerin | !guess |
| 05:50.56 | dpkg | somebody said guess was a hypothesis based on nothing |
| 05:50.58 | SpaceFrog | it hasn't detected it in the installation |
| 05:51.01 | quintin | SpaceFrog: Not good enough fuckface. |
| 05:51.09 | quintin | SpaceFrog: what chipset? have you looked on google? |
| 05:51.23 | edgarin | the model of the Laptop is Gateway Solo 5300 |
| 05:51.30 | SpaceFrog | no, i'll find out |
| 05:51.38 | edgarin | and the Model of the network card |
| 05:51.38 | edgarin | I don't know |
| 05:51.48 | Guerin | !fgi edgarin gateway+solo+5300+network+linux |
| 05:51.48 | dpkg | edgarin: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=gateway+solo+5300+network+linux |
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| 05:51.52 | edgarin | wait.. in this moment the laptop are booting with diskettes the debian isntallaer |
| 05:52.02 | Supaplex | heh |
| 05:52.09 | quintin | SpaceFrog: there is package wireless-tools I think it is that has some things you need. also there is kwifi-manager or gnome-network-manager |
| 05:52.10 | edgarin | dpkg, ok |
| 05:52.34 | Guerin | eew, stay clear of those |
| 05:52.52 | Guerin | just use ifconfig and iw* until you get it working, then you can start using gui stuff |
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| 05:54.05 | quintin | follow directions to use sw raid and it still doesn't work. lame :\ |
| 05:54.09 | nvz | Supaplex: you can run, but you can't hide.. the snip-snips will chase you |
| 05:54.19 | Supaplex | eek! |
| 05:55.08 | nvz | Supaplex: hurry, get all the infotrons and exit! |
| 05:55.18 | AussieHatter | lol |
| 05:55.19 | pickcoder | the 5300 does not have wireless as an OEM feature |
| 05:55.27 | AussieHatter | fuckinggoogleit.com |
| 05:55.30 | AussieHatter | thats funny |
| 05:55.35 | pickcoder | pull the PCMCIA card out and look at the card |
| 05:56.09 | nvz | I should go back to sleep I got to work in the morning |
| 05:56.19 | pickcoder | work? |
| 05:56.48 | nvz | yep |
| 05:56.58 | quintin | motherfucker |
| 05:57.02 | quintin | still not working |
| 05:57.21 | Guerin | !not working |
| 05:57.21 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 05:57.24 | nvz | I got teh damn phone call I've been waiting on today.. start work in the morning about 6 hours from now |
| 05:57.34 | Guerin | !bed nvz |
| 05:57.39 | Guerin | aww :( |
| 05:58.01 | nvz | I slept about 4 hours already.. woke up to get my fix |
| 05:58.33 | mhiku | how can i add /foo/bar in the search folder for whereis? so i can run command locally? |
| 05:58.34 | quintin | Guerin: I already said what problem is. so shove it up your ass! |
| 05:58.41 | Supaplex | quintin: kindly refrain from the vulgarity |
| 05:58.59 | quintin | As soon as everyone else refrains from stupidity, you bet. |
| 05:59.07 | nvz | Supaplex: maybe he has tourettes |
| 05:59.08 | Guerin | quintin: software raid is something you should set up on a system which is already installed |
| 05:59.10 | krazykit | quintin, it's pretty simple. figure out the chipset (lspci or lspcmcia), figure out if it has drivers, use them. |
| 05:59.27 | Guerin | quintin: you're on shaky ground accusing others of stupidity, sunshine. |
| 05:59.29 | quintin | krazykit: ehm ..? |
| 05:59.31 | Supaplex | !ops quintin vulgar, berating, unneccesarly harsh, etc |
| 05:59.32 | pickcoder | krazykit: his problem isn't wireless.. it's a botched softraid setup |
| 05:59.32 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: supaplex complains about: quintin vulgar, berating, unneccesarly harsh, etc |
| 05:59.39 | Guerin | Supaplex: WTF? |
| 05:59.44 | krazykit | quintin, oops, talking at the wrong person |
| 05:59.52 | Supaplex | I'll let them decide. |
| 05:59.58 | peterS | settle down, people, no shoving things up other people's anatomy |
| 06:00.03 | quintin | krazykit: I think you want SpaceFrog |
| 06:00.06 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:00.20 | krazykit | i think i want to sleep |
| 06:00.47 | pickcoder | quitin: if all else fails, zero the drive from a live CD |
| 06:00.51 | pickcoder | quintin even |
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| 06:01.12 | edgarin | I found this link |
| 06:01.15 | quintin | pickcoder: that's something I was considering. I don't understand why there is still this raid device. |
| 06:01.20 | edgarin | http://q.dyndns.org/~blc/html/laptops/linux5350.html |
| 06:01.26 | quintin | Guerin: ORLY? |
| 06:01.33 | edgarin | and says the network card is eepro100 |
| 06:01.45 | edgarin | but, when I select this module in the debian-installer |
| 06:01.52 | edgarin | don't work |
| 06:02.13 | adammck | hello... i have a debian server which is acting very strangely. i've dumped the output of some commands here [ http://rafb.net/p/15EbEC94.txt ] if anyone could be kind enough to take a look. the problem is kind of self-explanitory... there are daemons running, which aren't installed. any clues? |
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| 06:02.19 | edgarin | says: No ethernet card was detected. If you know the name of the driver needed by your ethernet card, you can select it from the list |
| 06:02.23 | quintin | edgarin: huh. eepro100 is like, good stuff. what do you mean it doesn't work? |
| 06:02.24 | peterS | edgarin: when something says 'eepro100' it also means the 'e100' driver. both drivers are for pretty much the same set of hardware. so try 'e100' instead. |
| 06:02.32 | edgarin | and show again the list |
| 06:02.48 | quintin | edgarin: what if you do modprobe e100 ?? |
| 06:03.00 | Guerin | adammck: take it offline immediately. |
| 06:03.01 | edgarin | umm.. wait.. I try this |
| 06:03.04 | Supaplex | if dpkg-parsechangelog shows the last changelog, what adds to the changlog? $EDITOR or something else (and what)? |
| 06:03.27 | quintin | Guerin: Elaborate on configuring sw raid on installed system? |
| 06:03.28 | adammck | Guerin: you think its owned? |
| 06:03.41 | peterS | Supaplex: some people edit the changelog with $EDITOR, some with the 'dch' script from the devscripts package |
| 06:03.47 | Guerin | quintin: install the system to a plain old drive, then set up the software raid once it's running. |
| 06:04.00 | edgarin | the module is loaded |
| 06:04.13 | peterS | Supaplex: the debian changelog is just a text file in a special format, shipped with each source and binary package |
| 06:04.13 | edgarin | but in the debian-installer when I select Configure network says: |
| 06:04.17 | GNP | finally got it http://71.52.255.125/news.php |
| 06:04.20 | edgarin | No networkCard detected |
| 06:04.21 | edgarin | :S |
| 06:04.22 | edgarin | :( |
| 06:04.25 | quintin | edgarin: ok, what happens if you do dhclient eth0 ? |
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| 06:04.33 | Guerin | adammck: if you don't have them installed, it's very likely. |
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| 06:05.09 | AussieHatter | quintin: i had trouble with s/w raid and udev and sata a few days ago |
| 06:05.13 | pickcoder | adammck: find out which user is running them |
| 06:05.15 | GNP | thank all of you for the help |
| 06:05.18 | quintin | adammck: I have to backup the take it offline approach. |
| 06:05.22 | GNP | it was worth the headaches lol |
| 06:05.27 | pickcoder | and install rkhunter if you are on etch |
| 06:05.29 | edgarin | wait.. I try this |
| 06:05.40 | quintin | AussieHatter: :( did you ever get it working? |
| 06:05.58 | Guerin | adammck: see if your IP has turned up in any anti-spam DNS blacklists |
| 06:06.05 | AussieHatter | yes: i nuked it and used the installer |
| 06:06.13 | AussieHatter | sarge that is |
| 06:06.17 | adammck | Guerin: okay, thanks. i'll get it taken offline right away |
| 06:06.26 | AussieHatter | which detected the sata no problems |
| 06:06.28 | quintin | AussieHatter: nuked? zeroed the disk? |
| 06:06.35 | pickcoder | Guerin: why would a spammer bother to install clamav? |
| 06:06.37 | adammck | Guerin: and no, it's not, i checked |
| 06:06.47 | quintin | AussieHatter: 3.1 netinst won't work, my sata controller isn't supported.. I'm playing with etch netinst now |
| 06:07.02 | quintin | adammck: http://dshield.org/ |
| 06:07.08 | Guerin | pickcoder: it doesn't look like a spam host, perhaps more like a black mail host - but yeah. |
| 06:07.12 | Supaplex | peterS: yea, I caught on to the formatting when I started to edit it by hand. I figured there'd be some other tool. I was somewhat courious if it was as anal as RCS,v files :) |
| 06:07.49 | Guerin | adammck: see if there's any kiddy pr0n in the mail folders |
| 06:08.06 | peterS | Supaplex: it's not _that_ anal, but it's fairly strict. if you edit it with emacs, and have the 'dpkg-dev-el' package installed, emacs loads some macros to help you format the important lines |
| 06:08.06 | AussieHatter | quintin: i orginally used a kernel from backports |
| 06:08.22 | Supaplex | ahh. vim here. |
| 06:08.29 | AussieHatter | quintin: then found with suprise that the sarge installer worked |
| 06:08.39 | peterS | Supaplex: for example, C-c C-f inserts a proper timestamp line with the right name / email address / current time in it |
| 06:08.39 | nvz | ugh I found gay pr0n on the foreman |
| 06:08.46 | nvz | s pc when I worked at this place before |
| 06:08.55 | AussieHatter | quintin: there is a bug open on bts about udev and md |
| 06:09.07 | Guerin | nvz: what's wrong with gay pr0n? And why does kiddy pr0n make you think of it? |
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| 06:09.16 | peterS | Supaplex: I suspect the 'dch' script was written by vim users, since emacs users already have a convenient way to get the formatting right (: |
| 06:09.17 | nvz | though I guess thats what happens when you snoop around when you're not suppose to be on the computer anyhow |
| 06:09.27 | Guerin | that's a fucked-up connection, right there |
| 06:09.46 | Supaplex | keen. emacs is keen, but I'm lovin vim these days. |
| 06:09.46 | nvz | Guerin: i dunno pr0n is pr0n and doesnt belong on peoples pc unless you are hosting a pr0n site |
| 06:09.54 | Supaplex | I said keen twice, how redundant. |
| 06:10.08 | mhiku | how to set path? |
| 06:10.21 | pickcoder | I'm out.. cheers |
| 06:10.23 | Guerin | nvz: see, i think there's quite a major qualitative difference between kiddy pr0n and most other kinds. |
| 06:10.40 | Guerin | i would be disinclined to bracket them |
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| 06:10.56 | quintin | emacs? |
| 06:10.58 | quintin | wtf? :\ |
| 06:11.06 | Guerin | quintin: i think you mean FTW! |
| 06:11.11 | quintin | Guerin: diaf |
| 06:11.18 | quintin | Guerin: ..slowly |
| 06:11.26 | nvz | Guerin: hmm.. I would say all types of pr0n have major differences |
| 06:11.27 | adammck | Guerin: there are no mail folders. no mail routing software is supposed to be installed :| |
| 06:11.28 | edgarin | ok, when I try dhclient eth0 |
| 06:11.31 | Guerin | quintin: ooh, touchy. |
| 06:11.36 | quintin | Guerin: lol |
| 06:11.41 | edgarin | says: No such device |
| 06:11.41 | nvz | Guerin: if you havent noticed my mind needs very little stimulation to connect two unrelated things anyhow |
| 06:11.55 | Guerin | adammck: what's the http server serving? |
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| 06:12.04 | nvz | Guerin: you're lucky I even made a connection that close.. I could have thought of toasted cheese sandwitches or something |
| 06:12.09 | Guerin | ... |
| 06:12.13 | mhiku | how to add a path in PATH variable in set command? |
| 06:12.13 | quintin | edgarin: rmmod e100 && modprobe e100 |
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| 06:12.44 | Guerin | mhiku: export PATH=something:$PATH |
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| 06:13.35 | quintin | Guerin: can I make an online fs part of a raid array? |
| 06:13.45 | quintin | Guerin: reading about mdam and raid and crap now |
| 06:13.59 | nvz | this is why my gf and I get along we are very random people we carry on conversations about two completly different things its amazing |
| 06:14.04 | AussieHatter | guerin: yes you can |
| 06:14.18 | Guerin | quintin: no idea |
| 06:14.21 | adammck | Guerin: nothing, it says connection refused. both the smtp and pop seem to be working, though |
| 06:14.30 | AussieHatter | nvz: thats what girls brains do. they dont relate to anything |
| 06:14.46 | Guerin | adammck: see what port it's listening on with netstat -plaunt |
| 06:14.53 | nvz | AussieHatter: yeah thats why she finds me so interesting to talk to |
| 06:15.16 | edgarin | No such device |
| 06:15.24 | AussieHatter | guerin: xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html a good howto |
| 06:15.36 | Guerin | AussieHatter: tell quintin |
| 06:15.43 | AussieHatter | oops |
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| 06:15.50 | AussieHatter | i meant quintin |
| 06:16.02 | Guerin | adammck: it also may be (is likely) firewalled off so only a certain address can get at it. |
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| 06:16.49 | nvz | it would be wild if IRC protocol implemented regular expressions like you could change your previous statements and the peoples clients would reflect the change |
| 06:16.59 | adammck | Guerin: oh, wait - it's not listening on localhost, only the public ip! 212.241.180.129 <-- what on earth is this thing?? |
| 06:17.07 | nvz | of course that would never happen, but it would be pretty funny |
| 06:17.20 | stoned | man |
| 06:17.29 | nvz | woman |
| 06:17.32 | mhiku | how to delete an entry? |
| 06:17.58 | mhiku | Guerin: how to delete an entry to set? |
| 06:17.58 | stoned | no matter what I do I can't get past Xgl.. |
| 06:17.59 | stoned | it will run as root |
| 06:17.59 | stoned | but not as user |
| 06:17.59 | stoned | its pissing me off |
| 06:18.00 | stoned | two days and I have not found out how to get this fixed |
| 06:18.00 | haggz | is there somewhere i can find out what packages are present in sid but not in etch? |
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| 06:18.09 | Guerin | adammck: know anyone in Manchester who might be using this box? |
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| 06:18.22 | adammck | er, manchester? no... |
| 06:18.25 | Guerin | (or is the box itself in Manchester?) |
| 06:18.32 | Guerin | well, that's where that IP is |
| 06:18.36 | nvz | stoned: you had to see that one commin |
| 06:18.37 | Guerin | http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ipall.ch?ip=212.241.180.129 |
| 06:18.45 | nvz | stoned: from like a mile away |
| 06:18.52 | adammck | Guerin: i'm not sure where exactly it's hosted |
| 06:18.54 | stoned | nvz: no its like lag |
| 06:19.03 | stoned | my screen updates like once every 30 seconds |
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| 06:19.11 | stoned | I dunno wtf is going on really |
| 06:19.15 | adammck | Guerin: that's the host, though, turbodns |
| 06:19.21 | predder | Guerin, using the a option in netstat negates using the l ;o) |
| 06:19.35 | alleyoopster | good morning everyone |
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| 06:19.38 | nvz | stoned: ah, well this is why we dont use enter for punctuation. I was having stead lag for a while I connected to a different node |
| 06:19.52 | stoned | nvz: you long line whore |
| 06:19.52 | predder | (I always use taunp so I was looking at what plaunt did differently when you suggested the command) |
| 06:19.52 | Guerin | predder: heh, I just memorised it once and it stuck :) |
| 06:19.57 | stoned | hehe |
| 06:19.59 | predder | fair enough :) |
| 06:20.03 | nvz | stoned: heh. that I am. that I am |
| 06:20.25 | stoned | so can anyone help my user to run Xgl.. only root can run it |
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| 06:21.06 | alleyoopster | I have a new install of etch and need a bit of help getting wireless going, card works in other dist, its rt2500 chipset, module loads, can manually assign ip, but cannot ping router, any takers? |
| 06:21.08 | nvz | stoned: justin could have helped you I am sure.. but he's always let other peoples ignorance get in the way of his advice |
| 06:21.46 | stoned | nvz: I'm not ignorant. I don't ask on irc until I've exhausted all my venues |
| 06:21.56 | dendrite | Speaking of ignorance, what is Xgl? |
| 06:22.02 | Guerin | alleyoopster: got WEP? |
| 06:22.09 | alleyoopster | no security |
| 06:22.11 | nvz | stoned: I mean the way you said about the whole suid thing when he was talking to you earlier. |
| 06:22.28 | Guerin | alleyoopster: heh. i did the same thing. It won't NOT use WEP, you need to turn it on. |
| 06:22.36 | stoned | he came at me like I didn't know wtf I was doing and have not read anything |
| 06:22.36 | nvz | stoned: it bothers people when someone is too ignorant to know how to do things but supplies supposed solutions with the question |
| 06:22.45 | alleyoopster | Guerin: seriously |
| 06:22.51 | stoned | he insisted I can't get it to work because I can't google or search pretty much |
| 06:22.52 | Guerin | alleyoopster: it CLAIMS to turn WEP off when you tell it, but it doesn't really. You can verify this using kismet or something on another box. |
| 06:22.59 | nvz | stoned: turns them off to helping when they think you are set on doing it the wrong way anyhow |
| 06:23.03 | Guerin | alleyoopster: i spent a whole day figuring it out. |
| 06:23.14 | stoned | nvz: I was not set on tht |
| 06:23.29 | stoned | nvz: some people are dicks and some are not |
| 06:23.30 | nvz | stoned: you're best not to suggest fixes when asking for help people are stubborn |
| 06:23.35 | alleyoopster | Guerin: ah this would be why network manager kept on asking for a key when I had told it there was not one |
| 06:23.40 | Guerin | yep :) |
| 06:24.00 | alleyoopster | Guertin: trying now, thanks, I have been on this for 12 hours |
| 06:24.05 | Guerin | heh |
| 06:24.07 | nvz | stoned: yeah well the dicks usually know their shit.. sounds kinda query saying it like that.. but oh well I think its funny anyhow |
| 06:24.09 | Guerin | i feel your pain |
| 06:24.15 | Guerin | other than that, it's a good card. |
| 06:24.28 | stoned | nvz: oh well.. If I'm ignorant then he's arrogant |
| 06:24.46 | stoned | he said all the Xgl docs say run it inside X |
| 06:24.52 | stoned | I did not find anything of the sort |
| 06:24.53 | stoned | ANYWHERE |
| 06:24.57 | stoned | in two days of searching |
| 06:25.05 | stoned | I asked him for a link regarding that |
| 06:25.07 | stoned | and he said google it |
| 06:25.16 | stoned | I came and said I tried but I can't find anything |
| 06:25.21 | stoned | and he continued to be a dick |
| 06:25.33 | nvz | stoned: yeah well you can lead a horse to water,.. but getting them to do the backstroke is nearly impossible |
| 06:25.33 | stoned | Yes I got frustrated and called him a dick |
| 06:25.44 | stoned | but nowhere did I challenge his competence |
| 06:25.47 | AussieHatter | !shit |
| 06:25.47 | dpkg | [shit] fecal matter.. scratch your ass, sniff your finger. Smell that? Shit. |
| 06:25.54 | nvz | heh |
| 06:25.55 | alleyoopster | Guerin: well wadda you know, it works 1st time, this must be a bug??? |
| 06:26.12 | AussieHatter | stoned: send him this next time !shit |
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| 06:26.40 | stoned | I am still asking |
| 06:26.41 | dendrite | stoned: You say it does not run at all, or it runs slow? |
| 06:26.52 | stoned | dendrite: Xgl only runs as user and not as root |
| 06:27.04 | dendrite | stoned: Not as root??? |
| 06:27.11 | stoned | er.. |
| 06:27.12 | stoned | not as user |
| 06:27.13 | stoned | doh |
| 06:27.17 | nvz | I'd have to say he's one of the more knowledgable people in here.. just uses a fairly proprietary protocol that isnt compatible with most people |
| 06:27.21 | stoned | sorry I got that backwards |
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| 06:27.39 | dendrite | stoned: When running as root, what devices / files does it open ? |
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| 06:27.56 | stoned | dendrite: I don't know |
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| 06:28.09 | stoned | a log file, Xgl, display |
| 06:28.11 | stoned | the usual I guess |
| 06:28.22 | dendrite | stoned: Does it show up as a distinct process? Or is it a dynamic module? |
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| 06:28.31 | stoned | its a process |
| 06:28.42 | dendrite | stoned: how do you launch it? |
| 06:28.47 | stoned | I'm launching it with Xgl (params here from various docs) |
| 06:28.50 | stoned | sec |
| 06:28.59 | dendrite | stoned: have you tried strace? |
| 06:29.10 | stoned | Xgl :0 -fp /usr/share/fonts/X11/misc/ -fullscreen -ac -accel glx:pbuffer -accel |
| 06:29.11 | stoned | xv:pbuffer & sleep 10 ; |
| 06:29.15 | dendrite | stoned: have you tried strace? |
| 06:29.17 | stoned | on one line |
| 06:29.20 | stoned | no I have not |
| 06:29.28 | dendrite | strace -eopen ... |
| 06:29.32 | Guerin | alleyoopster: yeah, i'm unsure if it's a bug in the kernel driver or in iwconfig - I guess the former. Haven't had time to track it down, but I'll file a reply if you make a bugreport. |
| 06:29.33 | dendrite | for starters. |
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| 06:29.41 | bonez41 | is it possible to remotely manage CUPS? |
| 06:30.05 | dendrite | stoned: strace -eopen ... (as regular user, look for permission issues. |
| 06:30.08 | Guerin | bonez41: if you configure the server to allow it, yes. Or by ssh. |
| 06:30.35 | stoned | dendrite: so I launch xgl as root and then run strace as user |
| 06:30.44 | stoned | ? |
| 06:31.00 | dendrite | stoned: No, just run it within strace, as regular user. It'll break, and strace will hopefully tell you why. |
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| 06:31.18 | stoned | I dont' even know what it is or does |
| 06:31.23 | stoned | here is no manpage for strace |
| 06:31.27 | stoned | is it an external package |
| 06:31.35 | dendrite | stoned: apt-get install strace |
| 06:31.42 | alleyoopster | Guerin: yeah I guess I can do that |
| 06:31.42 | stoned | ok |
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| 06:32.07 | dendrite | stoned: strace -eopen Xgl (args...) |
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| 06:33.02 | dendrite | stoned: -eopen flag limits strace reporting to open() calls; strace in full boat mode can be rather verbose, but may be necessary if it's not a simple resource/access issue. |
| 06:33.05 | liable | stoned: still fails eh? |
| 06:33.13 | quintin | AussieHatter: you there? |
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| 06:33.47 | quintin | http://users.piuha.net/martti/comp/ubuntu/raid.html |
| 06:33.57 | alleyoopster | Guerin: the raconfig2500 utils does not work either, well not for me at least |
| 06:34.01 | stoned | I > to a file |
| 06:34.04 | stoned | let me read the whole thing |
| 06:34.09 | quintin | Is that how I should try to setup sw raid? Instead of using the whole disk of each as physical volume for raid .. I should make partitions on each ... ? |
| 06:34.19 | dendrite | stoned: Start from the bottom. :-) |
| 06:34.54 | stoned | dendrite: what am I looking for |
| 06:35.33 | dendrite | stoned: Show stoppers. ENOACCESS, etc. open calls with error values returned. |
| 06:35.46 | AussieHatter | quintin: my problem a few days ago would not have happened if there was one large partition |
| 06:36.03 | AussieHatter | quintin: saying that, it is a bug, it should work with partitions |
| 06:36.06 | stoned | dendrite |
| 06:36.09 | stoned | er.. nothing |
| 06:36.12 | liable | stoned: why are you starting it as a user? you have a dm? |
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| 06:36.21 | AussieHatter | quintin: it works as partitions on this current machine |
| 06:36.23 | dendrite | stoned: it did fail, yes? |
| 06:36.26 | stoned | Fatal server error: |
| 06:36.26 | stoned | Cannot open log file "/var/log/Xorg.93.log" |
| 06:36.30 | stoned | thats the only thing I get |
| 06:36.37 | stoned | everything else looks ok |
| 06:36.51 | AussieHatter | quintin: what happened is the only partition that would show up was the one in the initrd.img |
| 06:36.59 | dendrite | stoned: is Xgl supposed to be suid? |
| 06:37.05 | stoned | dendrite: I don't know |
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| 06:37.17 | LinuxNIT | can someone point me in the right direction to create a .deb from compiled source so i dont have to compile some programs more than once? |
| 06:37.35 | liable | if it cant open a log file, then it should be run as root |
| 06:37.39 | dendrite | stoned: can you safely chmod o+w /var/log/Xorg.93.log ? |
| 06:37.43 | dendrite | stoned: And try again? |
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| 06:37.48 | stoned | I've not lets ttry |
| 06:38.15 | stoned | chmod: cannot access `/var/log/Xorg.93.log': No such file or directory |
| 06:38.18 | stoned | lol |
| 06:38.24 | stoned | wtf is going on |
| 06:38.33 | dendrite | stoned: touch the file, then chmod. |
| 06:38.38 | lkthomas | guys |
| 06:38.50 | dendrite | stoned: Just means euid can't create files in /var/log. |
| 06:38.52 | liable | it trying to write in /var/log, and that dir is usuall owned by root and group adm |
| 06:38.53 | stoned | ok |
| 06:39.00 | lkthomas | mysql server can not accept connection from sarge, how could I deal with it ? |
| 06:39.13 | stoned | ok done |
| 06:39.23 | dendrite | stoned: Now try running again. |
| 06:39.28 | stoned | Cannot move old log file ("/var/log/Xorg.93.log" to "/var/log/Xorg.93.log.old" |
| 06:39.30 | stoned | heh |
| 06:39.38 | stoned | alright lets touch another file |
| 06:39.40 | liable | stoned: use the script that a lot of the docs supply or put it in your ?dm conf file.. |
| 06:39.43 | dendrite | stoned: is this machine just you, alone? |
| 06:39.47 | stoned | yup |
| 06:39.48 | stoned | just me |
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| 06:40.04 | stoned | well I'm not on this machine irc runs on laptop |
| 06:40.08 | Guerin | LinuxNIT: you can use checkinstall to build, or /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 06:40.28 | dendrite | stoned: is this machine yours alone? |
| 06:40.28 | lkthomas | anyone could help ? |
| 06:40.28 | Supaplex | irc runs on a laptop? did it grow legs? |
| 06:40.46 | lkthomas | I select "no sarge machine connect to this mysql-server" before |
| 06:40.54 | LinuxNIT | thanks |
| 06:41.05 | stoned | dendrite: still nothing.. same error bout log file |
| 06:41.12 | liable | man xinit |
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| 06:41.16 | stoned | if I +s the Xgl binary it launches only as root |
| 06:41.17 | dendrite | stoned: I mean, for debugging, can you safely and temporarily chmod o+w /var/log/ ? |
| 06:41.32 | dendrite | stoned: Don't do that if you have evil users, eh? |
| 06:41.32 | stoned | ooh |
| 06:41.49 | stoned | yeh I guess |
| 06:41.54 | dendrite | stoned: That's what I was asking before, about suid. |
| 06:42.04 | Supaplex | lkthomas: do you want to recover any of the old databases? |
| 06:42.11 | stoned | ok |
| 06:42.14 | stoned | so it went past that now |
| 06:42.24 | lkthomas | Supaplex, no, I can't connecto to sarge mysql server |
| 06:42.32 | stoned | xf86OpenConsole: Cannot open /dev/tty0 (No such file or directory) |
| 06:42.37 | Supaplex | lkthomas: read my question carefully... |
| 06:42.42 | stoned | XIO: fatal IO error 104 (Connection reset by peer) on X server ":93.0" |
| 06:42.51 | stoned | so yeh it dies after taht |
| 06:42.56 | Supaplex | lkthomas: oh, so you don't want any of it? just delete it all and reinstall? |
| 06:43.22 | dendrite | stoned: I wonder what tty it's trying to open as root. |
| 06:43.39 | stoned | !tty |
| 06:43.39 | dpkg | hmm... tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 06:43.46 | Supaplex | lkthomas: rename /var/lib/mysql to /var/lib/mysql.old and try again. |
| 06:44.08 | dendrite | stoned: character special device. crw-rw---- 1 root root 4, 0 2007-02-04 22:11 /dev/tty0 |
| 06:44.08 | stoned | dendrite: so what next then |
| 06:44.15 | Supaplex | stoned: cute $DISPLAY there. :93.0 |
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| 06:44.46 | dendrite | stoned: Try running as root, and see what that attempt does, as far as opening /dev/tty0 |
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| 06:45.21 | dendrite | stoned: Note that many programs will try several things, e.g., walking a path, so the *last* open attempt is the one that usually matters. |
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| 06:45.57 | stoned | dendrite: I can't see it anywhere |
| 06:46.15 | stoned | Xgl runs now as root but there is no output concerning a tty |
| 06:46.20 | stoned | then agan my screen is limited |
| 06:46.26 | stoned | is there a log strace creates? |
| 06:46.30 | dendrite | stoned: redirect to a file. |
| 06:46.31 | Supaplex | sshock: hello from Clearfield =) |
| 06:46.43 | Supaplex | stoned: man strace |
| 06:46.54 | sshock | hello |
| 06:47.11 | dendrite | stoned: strace is a very powerful debugging tool, and has facilities for following forks and all sorts of stuff. |
| 06:47.35 | Supaplex | the man page of strace is a wonder. =) |
| 06:47.44 | haggz | and its lots of fun too, to strace all kinds of random stuff to see what its doing |
| 06:47.44 | stoned | hey how do I redirect again |
| 06:48.00 | sshock | Hey Supaplex. I played a DOS game with that name years ago. |
| 06:48.01 | dendrite | stoned: > or &> file |
| 06:48.03 | Supaplex | stoned: why redirect when it has an option to log? |
| 06:48.31 | dendrite | stoned: -o |
| 06:48.37 | stoned | eitherway |
| 06:48.38 | Supaplex | sshock: you could say it grew on me. :) |
| 06:48.44 | stoned | what happens when we find out which tty its trying to open |
| 06:49.04 | Supaplex | stoned: -e open might be handy... |
| 06:49.05 | dendrite | stoned: Well, I'm a little surprised that your system doesn't have /dev/tty0... |
| 06:49.32 | Supaplex | dendrite: he deleted it to save space. ;) |
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| 06:50.03 | dendrite | Supaplex: Or as a security measure. =) |
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| 06:50.13 | stoned | I can't find the logging option in the man page |
| 06:50.23 | stoned | man strace /log |
| 06:50.25 | stoned | nothing |
| 06:50.30 | dendrite | stoned: " -o filename Write the trace output to the file filename rather than to stderr." |
| 06:50.33 | Supaplex | stoned: /-o |
| 06:50.44 | stoned | see.. its not so clear is it |
| 06:51.09 | stoned | someone like me wouldn't even think to search for an output filename switch |
| 06:51.12 | stoned | I was looking for log |
| 06:51.13 | Supaplex | happens when reading is overrated :) hehe |
| 06:51.29 | stoned | I read more than any man I know |
| 06:51.40 | stoned | yet it isn't enough I guess |
| 06:52.15 | dendrite | stoned: Comics don't count. =) |
| 06:52.31 | haggz | gotta make sure that short-term memory buffer gets written to the mental hdd through the smoke...I make a ton of notes to myself to counteract the THC memory glitches |
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| 06:52.58 | indraveni | hi, can someone help me in installing and making realplayer work fine in debian etch system please |
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| 06:53.11 | Guerin | stoned: i bet you don't read more than me :) |
| 06:53.23 | Guerin | indraveni: don't use realplayer, use mplayer. |
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| 06:53.46 | hark | indraveni: mozilla-mplayer didn't work? |
| 06:53.51 | stoned | Guerin: I don't really know you |
| 06:54.10 | indraveni | Guerin, but there are some sites like musiconline which are asking for only realplayer |
| 06:54.10 | Guerin | stoned: it's not really a faior comparison, anyway, since I'm not reading by choice. |
| 06:54.22 | indraveni | and it is not accepting any other |
| 06:54.25 | Guerin | indraveni: those should work with the mplayer-mozilla plugin. |
| 06:54.33 | stoned | Guerin: you'd be surprised.. oh I don't have to read.. I read a lot of astronomy and tons of misc stuff on stumbleupon |
| 06:54.37 | Guerin | i haven't come across any which don't. |
| 06:54.44 | stoned | great random links to philosphy, music, art |
| 06:54.46 | liable | indraveni: helixplayer is available from debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:54.47 | stoned | blah blah |
| 06:54.49 | Supaplex | indraveni: ask the vendor for help. |
| 06:54.52 | stoned | hey dendrite |
| 06:54.56 | dendrite | ... |
| 06:55.00 | stoned | it has nothing about a tty |
| 06:55.10 | hark | liable: he got realplayer from there |
| 06:55.14 | dendrite | stoned: You ran grep against it?? |
| 06:55.14 | stoned | the file I logged contains a mere 10 lines all starting with (open) |
| 06:55.16 | stoned | or something |
| 06:55.19 | liable | hark: oh |
| 06:55.31 | dendrite | stoned: Try the -f option of strace. |
| 06:55.32 | liable | whats the problem then? he wanted it, he has it.. |
| 06:55.42 | stoned | open("./Xgl", O_RDONLY|O_LARGEFILE) = 3 |
| 06:55.42 | stoned | --- SIGCHLD (Child exited) @ 0 (0) --- |
| 06:55.47 | stoned | these are the last two lines |
| 06:55.47 | indraveni | Guerin, debian-mulitmedia.org link, is not working for etch, I am not able to execute the command apt-get update command after adding that repository |
| 06:56.00 | hark | indraveni: get w32codecs, and use mplayer. realplayer is quite buggy as you know by now... |
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| 06:56.12 | dendrite | stoned: Yeah, you'll have to follow forks... But, look at the two traces, (regular user vs root), and see where they diverge. |
| 06:56.54 | dendrite | stoned: Don't forget to chmod -R o-w /var/log |
| 06:57.05 | dendrite | stoned: When you're done, anyhow. |
| 06:57.16 | hark | indraveni: you said you got realplayer from there yesterday... |
| 06:57.40 | indraveni | yes, but i downloaded manually and did , I am not able to use aptitude |
| 06:58.24 | hark | indraveni: etch? |
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| 06:58.56 | indraveni | yes hark |
| 06:59.12 | quintin | the herald angels siiiiiiiiiinnngg |
| 06:59.15 | hark | indraveni: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 06:59.44 | indraveni | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:00.58 | indraveni | hark, what is this apt-key? |
| 07:01.15 | stoned | dendrite: -f option make the entire system hang |
| 07:01.21 | stoned | each tty hung with blank screen |
| 07:01.51 | dendrite | stoned: As root? |
| 07:01.57 | olsen | how can you upgrade from etch to unstable? |
| 07:01.58 | stoned | no as user |
| 07:02.16 | stoned | strace -fopen and the rest |
| 07:02.18 | enouf | !ifhtays |
| 07:02.25 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 07:02.25 | dpkg | from memory, dnuts is Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
| 07:02.31 | enouf | !yfhtays |
| 07:02.35 | enouf | bah |
| 07:02.36 | stoned | !dnuts |
| 07:02.36 | dpkg | dnuts is, like, Do Not Upgrade To Sid - or Deez Nuts - see <sid upgrade> |
| 07:02.37 | dendrite | stoned: Well, I think you get the idea behind strace. The idea is to narrow down what's causing it to fail. |
| 07:02.45 | stoned | dendrite: yes |
| 07:02.57 | stoned | I mean wtf is goign on |
| 07:02.58 | stoned | man |
| 07:03.03 | stoned | this is fucking ridiculous |
| 07:03.04 | dendrite | olsen: unstable is by no means an upgrade. |
| 07:03.28 | Supaplex | testing is frozen, so sid is stagnated |
| 07:03.35 | dendrite | olsen: Or, unstable is an upgrade in the same sense for leaving first class to wing walk is an upgrade. |
| 07:03.57 | dendrite | s/for/as/ |
| 07:04.00 | olsen | what about if i want newer sutff? |
| 07:04.03 | Tallu | !iyhtays |
| 07:04.04 | dpkg | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
| 07:04.07 | dendrite | olsen: Etch is pretty new. |
| 07:04.16 | olsen | dendrite: yeah but in the future i mean |
| 07:04.29 | Supaplex | !testing |
| 07:04.29 | dpkg | A release phase between frozen (stable) and unstable. Etch is now testing. See http://www.linuxmafia.com/debian/testingfaq.html for frequently asked questions about testing. Note that testing and security updates mix complexly. Also check out http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2000/12/msg00011.html for the initial release. |
| 07:04.30 | enouf | !hug Tallu |
| 07:04.32 | dendrite | olsen: After you know a bit more, you can track "testing." |
| 07:04.38 | Tallu | enouf: aww :) |
| 07:04.50 | olsen | dendrite: what is track "testing"? |
| 07:04.58 | jnguy | hm. What happens after they run out of Toy Story names? |
| 07:05.01 | Supaplex | olsen: see what dpkg said |
| 07:05.09 | dendrite | olsen: Testing is what becomes the *next* stable. |
| 07:05.20 | Supaplex | jnguy: we'll make stuff up |
| 07:05.22 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 07:05.22 | dendrite | olsen: So, while it's not as bleeding edge as unstable, it still stays pretty current. |
| 07:05.24 | jnguy | :) |
| 07:05.31 | hark | indraveni: or read the FAQ at debian-multimedia.org |
| 07:05.33 | dendrite | jnguy: Or maybe watch another movie. :-) |
| 07:05.36 | jnguy | do we pick another pixar? or just random crap? |
| 07:05.52 | olsen | dendrite: i see, i think i will just wait |
| 07:05.59 | indraveni | hark, I did the same procedure, for sarge I am able to use but for etch its showing error |
| 07:06.25 | graytron_ | Ice Age |
| 07:06.28 | stoned | hah |
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| 07:06.31 | jnguy | Toy story 3 is coming out. |
| 07:06.32 | dendrite | olsen: Do you have specific needs, or are you just a marketing-driven gotta-have-new-stuff I-don't-know-why kind of guy? |
| 07:06.33 | stoned | now xorg won't work and Xgl does |
| 07:06.34 | hark | indraveni: what error? and pastebin your sources.list |
| 07:06.35 | stoned | wow |
| 07:06.49 | indraveni | yes hark , i will do it |
| 07:06.50 | jnguy | we ought to talk to Pixar and give em some good names. |
| 07:06.57 | jnguy | but I spose that kinda defeats the purpose. |
| 07:07.10 | dendrite | stoned: Sounds like a game of whack-a-mole over there. |
| 07:07.17 | olsen | dendrite: i like to use newer stuff |
| 07:07.25 | stoned | dendrite: yeh.. sid is a bitch |
| 07:07.38 | stoned | dendrite: no worried.. I got pot.. I got hot pockets and I got time |
| 07:07.44 | jnguy | Monsters, Inc. |
| 07:07.49 | stoned | I'll make sid MY bitch tonight |
| 07:07.58 | haggz | olsen: its actually easy to clone your etch partition and then dist-upgrade it to sid if you want to play with new packges as they arrive in unstable. |
| 07:08.35 | craigevil | newer isn't always better, having said that Ive ran Sid for 2yrs with few problems, but it can be a pita if you don't know how to fix the ocasional fubar |
| 07:08.40 | olsen | dendrite: i also do some developing, and i like to have newer tools available |
| 07:09.06 | indraveni | hark, here is the error http://pastebin.ca/342350 |
| 07:09.07 | olsen | haggz: ok |
| 07:09.36 | pinks | if I am cloning my current OS (sarge) to a new set of partitions - does it need to be *exactly* the same partition sizes as the original? |
| 07:09.39 | dendrite | olsen: Well, unstable may be for you. Hell, if you know what you're doing, and understand the debian packaging system tools, maybe Sid (unstable) is for you. But, if you have to ask how to convert to Sid, then you're not ready for Sid. |
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| 07:10.06 | olsen | dendrite: i know, i will be able to use sid in some days i think |
| 07:10.17 | haggz | pinks: depends on the tools you are using. you can use a combination of partimage and parted to change the partition sizes if you plan what you are trying to do |
| 07:10.33 | olsen | dendrite: same was with gentoo, i didn't know how to move to ~ (unstable). but i hated gentoo, for other reasons |
| 07:10.45 | liable | pinks: not if you are just copying over the files |
| 07:10.48 | dendrite | !gentoosmite olsen |
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| 07:11.03 | pinks | haggz: I've got a 2nd hdd and just wanted to increase the sizes of /boot, swap etc |
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| 07:11.09 | olsen | dendrite: lol |
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| 07:11.16 | Tallu | dendrite: hahaha |
| 07:11.34 | olsen | dendrite: i didnt have problems with the compiling time though, i just dont like to stress my hardware like that anymore |
| 07:11.38 | dendrite | haggz: Check out LVM. |
| 07:11.45 | olsen | dendrite: portage was kinda slow |
| 07:11.46 | pinks | dendrite: lmfao |
| 07:11.52 | olsen | dendrite: and the emerge script wasa mess |
| 07:11.55 | enouf | pinks: man sfdisk .. see the -d option |
| 07:11.57 | haggz | pinks: my technique is to image partitions with partimage, then make exactly matching sized target partitions, copy the images in, then resize them once the data is seated. Works well for me, ymmv |
| 07:12.25 | pinks | haggz: enouf: thanks guys |
| 07:12.36 | pinks | I'll do some man reading now:) |
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| 07:15.14 | haggz | dendrite: hmm how difficult is it to get LVM going in an existing install? |
| 07:15.15 | hark | indraveni: hmm, the mirror seems to be fine.. you get this only with debian-multimedia? |
| 07:15.43 | pinks | haggz: enouf: when I have copied my sarge to the 2nd HDD - can I call it something else and add it as an option at boot time? |
| 07:15.47 | indraveni | hark, yes, only with debian-multimedia |
| 07:15.56 | enouf | harkshave they already /msg dpkg etch key, and /msg dpkg gpg |
| 07:15.56 | hark | indraveni: try with aptitude update as well |
| 07:15.56 | dendrite | haggz: It would take a bit of doing. A bit of shuffling. |
| 07:16.15 | enouf | er hark : have they already /msg dpkg etch key, and /msg dpkg gpg |
| 07:16.55 | enouf | pinks: you're a fast reader ;-) |
| 07:17.07 | hark | enouf: it's only with debian-multimedia, he says |
| 07:17.14 | haggz | pinks: you should be able to do that, assuming you know how to configure grub etc. |
| 07:17.30 | enouf | pinks: if ext2/3, man e2label .. but yeah see man mount |
| 07:17.34 | mhiku | how can i get out a variable in the environment? i set something there, and i want to delete it |
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| 07:18.04 | haggz | pinks: once you have copied your partitions, you will need to edit fstab and possibly various other files. |
| 07:18.09 | enouf | pinks: get/have a plan to update grub, and alter any /etc/fstab entries |
| 07:18.49 | haggz | pinks: its not good when you boot a kernel then mount a different partition as root directory, can really create havoc...i know. |
| 07:19.13 | hark | indraveni: try apt-get autoclean and try again |
| 07:19.15 | enouf | mhiku: undo whatever you set |
| 07:19.25 | enouf | mhiku: but basically man export |
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| 07:20.03 | indraveni | hark, no use of autoclean also |
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| 07:20.54 | dendrite | Eeep! installing xen libc6 removes regular libc6... |
| 07:21.16 | indraveni | hark, its the problem with my system only , in other systems here its working fine |
| 07:21.27 | indraveni | hark, but how other sites are working for me |
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| 07:23.03 | dendrite | Anyone know off hand if linux-image-2.6.18-3-xen-k7 is built with SMP? |
| 07:23.22 | liable | dendrite: all post .17 have smp |
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| 07:23.30 | dendrite | liable: Ah, cool. |
| 07:23.49 | dendrite | liable: Overhead not worth fretting over in this day and age, I guess? |
| 07:23.55 | hark | indraveni: if clean and autoclean don't work, try an apt-get update with all sources commented out. Then, just uncomment the debian-multimedia link and try. |
| 07:24.00 | enouf | dendrite: liable I recall there is a diff between FC versions and deb vewrsions, not sure if it's SMP, or PAE or what |
| 07:24.17 | liable | dendrite: i'm not sure exactly whats happened there, but its upstream, not debian |
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| 07:24.35 | enouf | dendrite: however, our Deb devels are working on it, or .. something better |
| 07:24.37 | dendrite | enouf: I opted to not get PAE, not enough RAM. |
| 07:24.51 | dendrite | enouf: ... According to the apt-cache show ... |
| 07:24.59 | liable | wtf is pae? |
| 07:25.00 | enouf | dendrite: ok .. ;-) |
| 07:25.09 | enouf | !pae |
| 07:25.16 | pinks | haggz: enouf: I had used cfdisk to part the new HDD with slightly larger /boot and swap and lots larger / I'm creating the 2nd OS to allow me to upgrade to etch, but not lose my nicely working sarge until I'm comfortable ;-) |
| 07:25.26 | enouf | physical address extension |
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| 07:26.00 | dendrite | Hmm. Resizing an xterm/ssh while in a man page prevents the shell from getting SIGWINCH, it seems. I guess that's not too surprising. |
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| 07:26.14 | enouf | liable: kernel stuff for faking/accessing more than 4GB RAM, in a 32bit env |
| 07:27.20 | liable | !ping |
| 07:27.21 | dpkg | pong |
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| 07:28.03 | dendrite | !ding |
| 07:28.03 | dpkg | i heard ding is a dictionary, http://www.freshmeat.net/projects/ding/ |
| 07:28.20 | dendrite | heh. Cool. |
| 07:28.24 | haggz | !bong |
| 07:28.24 | dpkg | bong is probably like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
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| 07:29.59 | Guerin | eew |
| 07:30.02 | Guerin | that ain't right |
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| 07:30.23 | haggz | dendrite: Aha! And i accuse my cat of that spill! |
| 07:30.37 | dendrite | haggz: Funny how it can smell like that, eh? |
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| 07:31.24 | haggz | dendrite: OT, but I guess the process of burning vegetable matter and vegetable matter rotting in swamp produce some of the same chemicals, at least so far as how they smell |
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| 07:31.58 | quintin | I fixed my software raid issue, I think |
| 07:32.04 | quintin | and etch installer is fucking ghey |
| 07:32.15 | dendrite | haggz: Not to mention the toxie soup of tars and other hydrocarbon chaos. |
| 07:32.42 | dendrite | quintin: Ghey? |
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| 07:33.34 | Guerin | is that like grey, with a pinkish tint? |
| 07:33.55 | Guerin | i always found it sort of blue |
| 07:34.15 | dendrite | Guerin: Either that or an attempt to sort of hide a bigoted slur. |
| 07:34.40 | liable | no, he just cant express himself without being an asshole, so it seems |
| 07:34.55 | quintin | little from column a, little from column b |
| 07:35.01 | dendrite | quintin: <grin> |
| 07:35.07 | AussieHatter | (d) all of the above |
| 07:35.09 | quintin | and yea I don't really like gay people, honestly |
| 07:35.11 | Guerin | liable: careful, you might gross him out |
| 07:35.13 | quintin | AussieHatter: winnar! |
| 07:35.23 | AussieHatter | quintin: :) |
| 07:35.26 | Guerin | quintin: your neck is showing, it's a bit red |
| 07:35.30 | black_13 | is it possible to install a minimal kde installation that is just the destop manager affiliated library but without things like kwrite and the other applets? |
| 07:35.35 | quintin | Guerin: not really. |
| 07:35.43 | liable | Guerin: thing about assholes, everbody has one. |
| 07:35.54 | AussieHatter | quintin: you could always help the installer team on the free OS you are installing by choice |
| 07:35.55 | Guerin | liable: everyone knows bigots don't have arseholes - hell, what would they use them for? |
| 07:36.01 | Guerin | liable: all the shit comes out their mouths! |
| 07:36.07 | liable | heh |
| 07:36.19 | quintin | AussieHatter: I will be filing bug reports, kthnx |
| 07:36.35 | AussieHatter | quintin: so what happened ? if you want to speak after your little flaming |
| 07:36.36 | liable | !ping |
| 07:36.36 | dpkg | pong |
| 07:36.48 | hark | indraveni: no luck? |
| 07:36.49 | Guerin | black_13: yes. Install kdm and kdecore |
| 07:37.00 | Guerin | black_13: or is it kdebase? i forget. Search. |
| 07:37.01 | quintin | AussieHatter: well, I made a bunch of little partitions for 'physical volume for raid' instead of one big one. and now I think it's working |
| 07:37.15 | liable | grr, i might have to go fix whoveers wifi i am freeloading off of. there connection sucks.. |
| 07:37.29 | Guerin | hehe |
| 07:37.37 | quintin | liable: heh. I have changed firmware before cause of that ;p |
| 07:37.38 | dendrite | liable: I'd love to see that encounter... "You don't know me, but..." :-) |
| 07:37.47 | liable | hah |
| 07:37.49 | quintin | dendrite: hah! |
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| 07:38.03 | dendrite | quintin: You don't like me. |
| 07:38.08 | AussieHatter | quintin: yes I said this before, but it shouldnt be like this, there is already an open bug on bts regarding udev and this problem |
| 07:38.14 | black_13 | Guerin, while im asking is there way bypass xdm login and automaticcaly login ot just x11 using the twm window manager? |
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| 07:38.45 | Guerin | black_13: oh. Why mention KDE, then? |
| 07:38.48 | indraveni | hark, no luck |
| 07:38.55 | indraveni | I am not able to access the repository |
| 07:38.57 | quintin | AussieHatter: So, to have in mine software raid multiple partitions, it is ok if the sw raid is two big parts from 2 disks, and then I can make slices inside the big resulting md0, yes? |
| 07:39.02 | quintin | AussieHatter: link? |
| 07:39.10 | quintin | dendrite: I don't? |
| 07:39.21 | Guerin | black_13: i think you can configure [kg]dm to auto-log in |
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| 07:40.11 | dendrite | quintin: 02:34 < quintin> and yea I don't really like gay people, honestly |
| 07:40.30 | Guerin | pwned |
| 07:40.33 | black_13 | Guerin, well i have been googling and seems there two schools of though configure kdm to autologin using conf files or come up with you own way ... mingetty and starting x using bash --login |
| 07:40.39 | indraveni | hark, some how i ried to install mozilla-helixplayer |
| 07:40.40 | AussieHatter | quintin: looking for link now |
| 07:40.50 | quintin | dendrite: well 2 things. I've had a lot of them like.. not get that I'm straight. and .. I just don't think that's how it's supposed to work. :P kind of an insert tab a in slot b thing. |
| 07:40.51 | Guerin | black_13: i choose the former |
| 07:40.58 | black_13 | kde? |
| 07:40.59 | indraveni | hark, but still I am not able to run the online music from any website or news sites |
| 07:41.05 | Guerin | quintin: bigot |
| 07:41.15 | quintin | Guerin: yea ok . |
| 07:41.15 | enouf | indraveni: what's gpg --list-keys say? .. pastebin |
| 07:41.16 | dendrite | quintin: Off topic. And you have no idea. |
| 07:41.28 | liable | this is going to get silly if it continues.. |
| 07:41.42 | quintin | dendrite: yes, and possibly. |
| 07:41.43 | craigevil | indraveni: try usign a different mirror for marillat> http://www.debian-multimedia.org/mirrors.html |
| 07:41.52 | black_13 | Guerin, what make go with the kde idea? |
| 07:42.04 | Guerin | black_13: no idea. |
| 07:42.10 | black_13 | just a nothing then |
| 07:42.11 | indraveni | enouf, this is the output |
| 07:42.11 | indraveni | http://pastebin.ca/342367 |
| 07:42.20 | indraveni | enouf, http://pastebin.ca/342367 |
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| 07:42.54 | black_13 | i know that kde has facilites for kiosk mode but i dont want have the who world on this boot cd |
| 07:43.02 | black_13 | whole world |
| 07:44.38 | indraveni | enouf, what is this gpg command? |
| 07:45.21 | hark | enouf: http://pastebin.ca/342350 |
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| 07:45.26 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 07:45.46 | Ramattack | does anybody know how to monitor constantly my box resources? |
| 07:45.47 | indraveni | enouf, hark I am able to use other mirror |
| 07:45.52 | indraveni | hark, thankyou |
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| 07:46.08 | indraveni | hark, but, I am not able to use realplater |
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| 07:47.08 | hark | indraveni: mplayer! |
| 07:47.35 | Ramattack | or another way |
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| 07:47.42 | AussieHatter | quintin: this is the one i was reading, there are numerous related ones though http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=403136 |
| 07:47.55 | Ramattack | how could I determine a constant resource cosumes in my box? |
| 07:48.24 | liable | what do i need in xbindkeys for super key?? |
| 07:48.47 | liable | hrm, xev shows it as super L |
| 07:49.02 | indraveni | hark, mplayer is not serving my need |
| 07:49.18 | liable | vlc is nice |
| 07:49.33 | craigevil | mplayer should play anything realplay will |
| 07:49.49 | enouf | !w32codecs |
| 07:49.49 | dpkg | w32codecs is probably a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia> |
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| 07:50.04 | AussieHatter | omg this xen kernel compile has been going for 6 hours |
| 07:50.25 | hark | indraveni: w32codecs and mozilla-mplayer installed? |
| 07:50.35 | indraveni | es |
| 07:50.44 | liable | does 101 keyboard have super key?? |
| 07:50.49 | enouf | indraveni: it's a bit complicated , but you should've run gpg --list-keys as a user |
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| 07:51.16 | enouf | indraveni: my bad .. no harm done though (not that I know of ;-)) |
| 07:51.18 | indraveni | enouf, ok |
| 07:51.23 | liable | answer me U Fuxorz!?!? |
| 07:51.35 | enouf | !superkey |
| 07:51.38 | AussieHatter | what do i set the security line in sources.list for etch ? the stable becomes etch as per the others ? |
| 07:52.02 | hark | !super |
| 07:52.51 | sep | !testing security |
| 07:52.51 | dpkg | Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch. |
| 07:53.03 | AussieHatter | sep: thx |
| 07:53.07 | liable | i think i want 105.. |
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| 07:54.25 | enouf | indraveni: it's quite possible that certain sites are implementing some new crapola that needs addressing .. try many other realcrap media sites, as a test |
| 07:55.13 | indraveni | enouf, yes I am tring |
| 07:55.26 | enouf | !bling |
| 07:55.26 | dpkg | ok brutus, whatever you say dude |
| 07:55.31 | indraveni | but the online news sites etc I am not able to play |
| 07:55.47 | Ramattack | ok thanks a lot guys |
| 07:55.49 | Ramattack | bye! |
| 07:56.44 | olsen | http://olsen.liquid-layouts.com/debian.svg |
| 07:56.47 | olsen | :) |
| 07:57.50 | quintin | hm. my machine won't boot... how do I put GRUB into MBR of each disk and tell it to use software raid etc? |
| 07:57.50 | liable | if you have lvm, you cant have /boot on it |
| 07:57.50 | liable | lilo can do it, grub cant |
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| 07:58.32 | predder | quintin, you can only make /boot partition raid1 as well obviously |
| 07:59.12 | liable | grr |
| 07:59.30 | quintin | . /boot can't be on raid1? Why would the installer let me do that then |
| 07:59.36 | enouf | lvm2 is addressing that and others IIRC |
| 07:59.42 | liable | !test |
| 07:59.43 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 07:59.44 | enouf | you need an initrd |
| 08:00.16 | quintin | I think I booted a diff machine with /boot on sw raid1. no idea why this box is causing me so much troubles. |
| 08:00.33 | enouf | that contains any needed raid/md/dmraid/lvm support |
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| 08:01.00 | liable | grub can do a raid, but not lvm, didnt you say you set up lvm?? |
| 08:01.03 | AussieHatter | quintin: all the partitions end up on md devices |
| 08:01.36 | quintin | no, I setup raid |
| 08:01.43 | quintin | AussieHatter: hm?? |
| 08:02.02 | AussieHatter | quintin: this is a good tutorial : xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
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| 08:02.35 | quintin | AussieHatter: I have 256m swap, this is regular partition on each disk. the rest I have 5gb for /tmp, 10gb for /var, and the rest is / these partitions are all 'physical volume for raid' then I made the raid devices and formatted them and the install worked like it should. but now nothing is booting |
| 08:02.41 | quintin | AussieHatter: I'll look at that |
| 08:03.29 | AussieHatter | quintin: try booting with live cd, mount the initrd and see what is in the script file |
| 08:04.23 | quintin | AussieHatter: the initrd on my raid1? |
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| 08:04.42 | AussieHatter | quintin: this is what i suffered a few days ago, only the / partition got into the initrd and the other devices wouldnt come up until i ran mdrun after booting |
| 08:05.07 | AussieHatter | something to do with udev and the creation of the md devices on boot |
| 08:05.31 | AussieHatter | quintin: i gave up and re-installed with a sarge netinst disl |
| 08:05.34 | quintin | AussieHatter: you're over my head now :) |
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| 08:07.46 | quintin | I am thinking that GRUB was not installed? :-S |
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| 08:08.35 | amc | how to download stuff from the mms:// protocol.. i can't find a ff plugin or a program.. any ideas? |
| 08:08.37 | AussieHatter | well that is easy then |
| 08:08.56 | AussieHatter | mount with livecd |
| 08:08.58 | AussieHatter | chroot |
| 08:09.03 | AussieHatter | install grub |
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| 08:10.58 | quintin | AussieHatter: chroot into what? |
| 08:11.12 | craigevil | amc: download or play? |
| 08:11.22 | amc | download |
| 08:11.26 | AussieHatter | quintin: have you chrooted before ? |
| 08:11.32 | amc | i play them with vlc but i need to download them |
| 08:11.44 | AussieHatter | quintin: /dev/hd? still exist |
| 08:11.54 | AussieHatter | quintin: raid1 lives on md devices |
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| 08:12.04 | craigevil | amc: aptitude install mimms " MMS (e.g. mms://) stream downloader" |
| 08:12.16 | AussieHatter | quintin: which means you can mount one or the other indiv. disk |
| 08:12.22 | quintin | AussieHatter: yes. but how do I mount the md though? |
| 08:12.39 | amc | yes, i tried it.. but :/ the problem is that there are spaces in the link and i'm so lame that i can't handle it :D |
| 08:12.58 | AussieHatter | quintin: same, once chrooted, you can mount the md device |
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| 08:14.39 | enouf | indraveni: after quickly glancing at mplayer docs .. see http://www.live555.com/mplayer/ yet? |
| 08:15.08 | indraveni | enouf, ok i will check |
| 08:15.23 | quintin | AussieHatter: what do I mount the disks as ? mount /dev/sda4 says 'Invalid argument' |
| 08:16.08 | enouf | amc: quotes |
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| 08:17.32 | amc | a.. i'm so dumb:D thanks, man, now it works. you're great! |
| 08:18.24 | AussieHatter | quintin: you are booted off a live cd ? |
| 08:18.34 | AussieHatter | quintin: and have a command prompt ? |
| 08:18.49 | AussieHatter | quintin: then mount /dev/sda4 /mnt |
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| 08:19.30 | quintin | AussieHatter: I can't. I just said that |
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| 08:19.44 | AussieHatter | sda4 is the extended disk |
| 08:19.52 | AussieHatter | which is / on ? |
| 08:20.15 | quintin | AussieHatter: sda4 + sdb4 = / , yes |
| 08:21.07 | AussieHatter | quintin: um, you only have 4 partitions ? |
| 08:21.08 | enouf | quintin: read rootraiddoc.97.html .. should be in mdadm pkg |
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| 08:21.28 | mhiku | LD_LIBRARY_PATH, where to point it? |
| 08:21.50 | quintin | AussieHatter: yes |
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| 08:22.53 | liable | mhiku: wherever the library is located |
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| 08:23.01 | Chris-NB | hi |
| 08:23.22 | liable | mhiku: are you compiling something? |
| 08:23.27 | Chris-NB | for a Pentium Xeon processor, what linux-image do I need? this one: linux-image-2.6.18-3-686 ? |
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| 08:23.37 | AussieHatter | quintin: have you looked at fdisk /dev/sda ? |
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| 08:23.47 | enouf | Chris-NB: that's fine |
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| 08:23.54 | Chris-NB | eno, ok, thanks. |
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| 08:24.45 | quintin | AussieHatter: sda1 swap sda2-4 linux raid autodetect |
| 08:26.02 | mhiku | liable: yes im compiling |
| 08:26.30 | mhiku | checking for ogg >= 1.0... checking for Ogg... no, but ive installed it |
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| 08:26.45 | liable | mhiku: why are you compiling ogg stuff? |
| 08:26.56 | quintin | is there a way to quickly and easily bridge wlan0 and eth0? |
| 08:27.03 | liable | mhiku: you want the -dev package |
| 08:27.29 | mhiku | yes i need the svn version |
| 08:28.07 | mhiku | ive compiled the libtheora checking for ogg >= 1.0... checking for Ogg... no, but ive installed ogg already |
| 08:28.16 | liable | mhiku: try libogg-dev |
| 08:28.20 | quintin | mhiku: you need development libs, not just ogg |
| 08:28.37 | mhiku | like what? |
| 08:28.53 | liable | mhiku: install it.. then try the compile again.. |
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| 08:29.40 | mhiku | im not a root here, so i compiled each and everyone, like automake and otherstuff |
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| 08:30.29 | mhiku | and set the PATH to the precompiled ones |
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| 08:31.26 | quintin | AussieHatter: PING |
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| 08:31.33 | AussieHatter | quintin: phone call |
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| 08:34.01 | quintin | 11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 |
| 08:34.08 | quintin | doh |
| 08:34.08 | quintin | sorry, KVM switch |
| 08:34.41 | quintin | AussieHatter: ok. I'm using 'system rescue cd' now, and it saw my md0, md1, md2 and I've mounted md2 and I can see normal debian FS layout inside .. |
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| 08:39.41 | Tallu | quintin: hehe |
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| 08:40.08 | tuvwx | is it normal for Xorg to take 160m RES memory? |
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| 08:40.30 | tuvwx | everything i do causes lots of swapping. very annoying |
| 08:40.41 | vlt | #dd-wrt |
| 08:41.15 | AussieHatter | quintin: then mount the root partition, chroot to it, mount the proc (mount -t proc proc /proc) mount the boot device, instal grub |
| 08:41.15 | vlt | (sorry) |
| 08:41.36 | compDo | By default, cron is sending messages to the user root. Where can I modify the recipient of the e-mails for the global messages? |
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| 08:41.46 | tuvwx | vlt, nm.. dd-wrt is nice ;) |
| 08:42.17 | quintin | AussieHatter: mounted & chrooted |
| 08:42.24 | vlt | tuvwx: As is the city it comes from ;-) |
| 08:42.44 | AussieHatter | quintin: you will have to look at the howto for grub, IIRC there is something else that has to be done that i can't remember |
| 08:42.46 | quintin | AussieHatter: I installed grub already on both disks (I think) but I didn't mount /proc .. mount the boot device? it should be mounted before install grub? mounted wheree? |
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| 08:43.07 | AussieHatter | quintin: as per the line above |
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| 08:43.52 | cydork | vlt: there is debianwrt too :P /msg dpkg debianwrt |
| 08:44.07 | quintin | AussieHatter: .. hm? |
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| 08:44.29 | AussieHatter | quintin: the xtronics raid1 howto has an explanation of grub for s/w raid |
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| 08:44.44 | AussieHatter | or here : http://www.linuxsa.org.au/mailing-list/2003-07/1270.html |
| 08:44.50 | AussieHatter | but i haven't used that one |
| 08:44.55 | AussieHatter | i am just reading it now |
| 08:45.16 | tarzeau | isn't the linux kernel config 100 hz better for desktop and 1000 hz for servers? |
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| 08:46.08 | LetoAtreidesII | is there any trick when mounting an nfs for user access? |
| 08:46.59 | lkthomas | guys |
| 08:47.04 | tarzeau | ah forget it, it's vice versa |
| 08:47.10 | lkthomas | I got chown: changing ownership of `/home/virtual/ftp/you': Operation not permitted |
| 08:47.14 | lkthomas | how could I fix this ? |
| 08:47.18 | quintin | AussieHatter: "No bootable device -- insert book disk and press any key" *cries* |
| 08:47.19 | tarzeau | lkthomas: as user or root? |
| 08:47.27 | lkthomas | as user |
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| 08:49.14 | AussieHatter | quintin: try installing grub again: half down the page : http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 08:49.24 | LetoAtreidesII | i just get the folder mounted as root... |
| 08:49.45 | quintin | AussieHatter: k. that attempt was also wihout mounting /proc etc |
| 08:50.28 | quintin | AussieHatter: That link does not cover installing grub, just editing menu.lst |
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| 08:50.46 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 08:51.15 | Ramattack | does anybody know any software that logs resource use high points on servers? |
| 08:51.35 | AussieHatter | quintin: section: configure grub to boot from both devices: install mbr on the second disk |
| 08:51.46 | quintin | AussieHatter: looking again |
| 08:51.59 | AussieHatter | above the lines you said |
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| 08:53.05 | quintin | AussieHatter: Ok, mount my install, chroot into it, mount proc, ... but where / why do I mount the sda and sdb before installing grub? |
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| 08:53.54 | AussieHatter | quintin: mounting sda will do to start with, the / and the /boot if they are on different partitions |
| 08:54.55 | AussieHatter | grub-install /dev/sda |
| 08:54.57 | Ramattack | si for example I wanted to know when all my memory has finished and box starts swapping |
| 08:55.03 | quintin | AussieHatter: now I'm confused. I have md0,1,2 mounted, and I need to mount sda too ... ?! |
| 08:55.48 | AussieHatter | quintin: no, sorry, md devices are what you want mounted, but you have to install grub on the mbr of sda |
| 08:56.11 | quintin | AussieHatter: Yes I understand this part. but I'm lost as to why / where sda gets mounted ?? |
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| 08:56.57 | AussieHatter | quintin: just mount your md root device, then your md /boot device |
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| 08:57.29 | quintin | AussieHatter: ok. /boot is just part of / |
| 08:57.45 | quintin | AussieHatter: oooooooook. mounted, chrooted, proc is mounted, going to try to install grub again .. :-S |
| 08:57.59 | AussieHatter | quintin, ok, then grub-install /dev/sda |
| 08:58.53 | AussieHatter | and do it to /dev/sdb also |
| 08:59.10 | quintin | AussieHatter: done |
| 08:59.29 | quintin | AussieHatter: now? reboot? |
| 08:59.37 | AussieHatter | quintin: no not yet |
| 08:59.52 | quintin | AussieHatter: <3 |
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| 09:00.35 | AussieHatter | half way down the xtronics page: http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-debian-for-2.6.html |
| 09:00.50 | AussieHatter | quintin: tell grub about both disks |
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| 09:06.28 | quintin | AussieHatter: hmm? It is set to boot from md2 |
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| 09:08.28 | AussieHatter | quintin: depends, md0,md1,m2,md3 sda1,sda2,sda3,sda4 |
| 09:08.59 | AussieHatter | or if you have sda4 as extended partition, then md3 = sda5 |
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| 09:09.25 | quintin | AussieHatter: No bootable device -- insert boot disk and press any key |
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| 09:09.30 | quintin | I just f'ing installed grub |
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| 09:10.17 | AussieHatter | quintin: i thought you did, haven't got cd or floppy in ? |
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| 09:11.08 | AussieHatter | quintin: that sort of silly question like 'is it turned on at the power?' |
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| 09:11.19 | quintin | AussieHatter: no floppy drive (ick). no, there is no cd in it |
| 09:11.42 | AussieHatter | quintin: well, chroot, and try again |
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| 09:11.51 | quintin | AussieHatter: I've already done it twice. |
| 09:12.15 | AussieHatter | quintin: it's your computer. |
| 09:12.20 | quintin | Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results. |
| 09:12.47 | AussieHatter | quintin: you have to investigatet further, grub is a method of booting, regardless of raid |
| 09:12.50 | tenzing_ | hi .. is there a network connection status applet for kde? |
| 09:12.53 | quintin | Does sda4 sdb4 need to be marked 'bootable'? if I understand right, computer boot from either MBR, or first partition .. so I don't think that matters ? |
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| 09:14.13 | AussieHatter | quintin: everything is on sda4 right ? incl. /boot ? |
| 09:14.19 | karsten | quintin: Shouldn't matter. |
| 09:14.20 | quintin | AussieHatter: correct |
| 09:14.26 | quintin | karsten: that's what I thought |
| 09:14.37 | rhalff | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:14.40 | karsten | quintin: ... but wouldn't hurt either ;-) |
| 09:14.41 | quintin | why the fuck is grub not loading ?? is there any reason my computer would not look at BIOS when it starts up ? |
| 09:14.44 | rhalff | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.47 | quintin | karsten: Damn you! :p |
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| 09:15.00 | karsten | quintin: Music to my ears. |
| 09:15.09 | quintin | er, my computer would not look at MBR when it starts up, rather |
| 09:16.26 | quintin | Also, if I do a dd if=/dev/sda of=./test.img ; file test.img it says that it is a x86 boot sector |
| 09:16.30 | quintin | so I know that grub is tehre |
| 09:16.30 | liable | install grub to both disks |
| 09:16.37 | quintin | why my computer not loading it? |
| 09:16.39 | quintin | liable: I have |
| 09:16.42 | karsten | And in the weird random OT category: space chick cat fight: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2007/02/05/national/a185738S04.DTL |
| 09:16.57 | karsten | quintin: What do you get on boot? "No boot disk found"? |
| 09:17.05 | quintin | karsten: similar. |
| 09:17.27 | quintin | 'No bootable device -- insert boot disk and try again' |
| 09:18.03 | haggz | speaking of random: proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail is a really interesting window. It looks like I'm a bit short on entropy... |
| 09:19.24 | karsten | haggz: What's it show? |
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| 09:19.37 | liable | mine shows a number.. |
| 09:19.49 | liable | 3587 to be exact |
| 09:19.56 | quintin | karsten: penis size in mm |
| 09:20.21 | haggz | that number represents the size of your entropy pool, 4096 is apparently maximum and optimal |
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| 09:20.31 | quintin | here's a stupid idea |
| 09:20.43 | quintin | how about I remove the hard disk, and place it in another machine and see what happens? |
| 09:20.54 | quintin | cause it's like the computer isn't starting from MBR. would there be any reason for this? |
| 09:21.01 | liable | hrm, moving mouse give me three more erm, entropies.. |
| 09:21.16 | haggz | liable: so now your random numbers are a tiny bit MORE random |
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| 09:21.32 | karsten | From random(4): The read-only file entropy_avail gives the available entropy. Normally, this will be 4096 (bits), a full entropy pool. |
| 09:21.47 | liable | i need more entropy! |
| 09:21.50 | karsten | liable: wheel mouse or optical mouse? |
| 09:22.21 | haggz | apparently, if you are running virtual machines, the fact that they are so much more predictable means that you can run short on entropy and not generate good gpg keys and so forth |
| 09:22.22 | AussieHatter | quintin: did you check the bios to make sure the hard drives are available to boot from and not just the cd ? |
| 09:22.25 | liable | karsten: trackpoint, but then it went back down again |
| 09:22.25 | karsten | quintin: You've run "grub-install"? |
| 09:22.29 | quintin | karsten: yes. |
| 09:22.43 | quintin | AussieHatter: yes, the hard drives are bootable devices. I even reset BIOS defaults |
| 09:22.43 | karsten | liable: Ah: no balls, not even virtual. |
| 09:22.57 | karsten | quintin: Hrm. No idea, and it's bedtime. |
| 09:22.58 | liable | lol |
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| 09:23.24 | haggz | http://lists.xensource.com/archives/html/xen-users/2006-10/msg00155.html is someone talking about problems with cryptography in xen because of low entropy_avail |
| 09:23.25 | karsten | liable: See, now, if you had balls ... ;-) |
| 09:23.32 | liable | wohoo 3598! |
| 09:23.59 | liable | hrm, maybe its not the mouse at all.. |
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| 09:24.04 | cydork | yay 3607! :) |
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| 09:24.28 | liable | !win cydork |
| 09:24.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, cydork! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 09:24.39 | liable | hrm, dpkg is snappy today |
| 09:24.51 | liable | its been a bit of a slackbot lately |
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| 09:24.59 | quintin | !lost dpkg |
| 09:25.04 | quintin | !lose dpkg |
| 09:25.04 | dpkg | dpkg: You Lose. |
| 09:25.11 | quintin | WTF |
| 09:25.14 | cydork | heh |
| 09:25.17 | quintin | messed with BIOS more and it's still not loading |
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| 09:25.24 | quintin | wow I am so pissed |
| 09:25.25 | quintin | this is stuipd |
| 09:26.05 | Jemt | Greetz. Is it possible to determine which character encoding is being used in a given file ? |
| 09:26.15 | quintin | Jemt: file file |
| 09:26.22 | Jemt | quintin: Oh, nifty. Thanks :) |
| 09:26.32 | AussieHatter | quintin: try lilo ? |
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| 09:27.13 | quintin | AussieHatter: well I was going to try sitting in the foetal position and weeping, actually. |
| 09:27.29 | Jemt | quintin: All it says is "process_status.php: PHP script text". I need the encoding :) |
| 09:27.32 | quintin | AussieHatter: I think I'm going to place the HDD in another computer and see if it gets to GRUB |
| 09:27.49 | crm__ | hi.. i have a new install of debian and wanted to install some more packages... what is the command to get more packages? |
| 09:27.54 | quintin | Jemt: shrug. my file shows the charset of some things. maybe look at man page for file it might have otpionts. otherwise maybe try a text editor? |
| 09:27.55 | AussieHatter | quintin: foetal position may help |
| 09:28.04 | bhundven | crm__: try aptitude |
| 09:28.14 | quintin | crm__: apt-get install clue |
| 09:28.38 | quintin | crm__: also mebbie apt-cache search firefox or such |
| 09:28.49 | crm__ | bet you have alot of friend quintin |
| 09:29.12 | quintin | crm__: aptitude is the more newfangled package management thingie. it does a lot of fancy-pants stuff |
| 09:29.18 | quintin | crm__: fuck you! |
| 09:29.50 | quintin | be back in five minutes or so, I'm going to put the hdd in a diff machine |
| 09:29.58 | haggz | !synaptic |
| 09:29.58 | dpkg | i guess synaptic is the Conectiva APT front-end, uses the WINGS toolkit for the GUI, see http://www.nongnu.org/synaptic/, or http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/synaptic1.jpg |
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| 09:30.08 | haggz | !aptitude |
| 09:30.09 | dpkg | it has been said that aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 09:30.12 | quintin | yea synaptic too if you want to point and click :P |
| 09:30.21 | haggz | !apt |
| 09:30.21 | dpkg | hmm... apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 09:30.34 | xittum | and adept maybe? |
| 09:30.35 | quintin | shutdown -h now |
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| 09:30.54 | crm__ | aptitude is what i was looking for thank yoy |
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| 09:32.47 | bhundven | crm__: I'd recommend reading: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/ch08s02.html |
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| 09:34.01 | crm__ | thanks again |
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| 09:34.18 | haggz | #apt-get install coffee-refill |
| 09:34.44 | haggz | didn't work, im gonna file that as a wishlist bug against apt in sid |
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| 09:35.37 | enouf | haggz: you forgot to add non-starbucks to your sources.kist |
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| 09:35.53 | berzerka | hello guys. i want to change my default cpufreq governor at bootup. where is the proper place to do that? rc.local? should it happen after the cpufreq driver module has been loaded? |
| 09:35.58 | amc | how to add aac support to ffmpeg? i got faad but it still doesn't work |
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| 09:36.08 | amc | i mean to encode to aac format:) |
| 09:36.13 | liable | berzerka: sysfsutils iirc |
| 09:36.31 | berzerka | liable, ill have a look, thanks |
| 09:36.44 | enouf | sysfs-utils /etc/sysctl |
| 09:36.58 | liable | yeah, sysctl.conf |
| 09:36.59 | enouf | er .conf |
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| 09:38.27 | berzerka | ah thats for all kind of sysfs settings. great.. |
| 09:38.30 | enouf | berzerka: be sure to /etc/init.d/procps.sh restart once making changes |
| 09:39.05 | berzerka | yep, thanks. |
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| 09:45.34 | anapivritua | Oyo all. |
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| 09:47.36 | lyx | is the mentainer of bash, for debian, here? |
| 09:47.40 | sternchen | hi |
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| 09:48.07 | lyx | sternchen: you are the bash mentainer? |
| 09:48.34 | quintin | Well, HOLY SHIT BATMAN |
| 09:48.45 | nvz | !maint bash |
| 09:48.47 | dpkg | bash: Matthias Klose <doko@debian.org> |
| 09:48.55 | quintin | I put the hard disk in another machine, it boots, and starts a fs check on md2 'cause the clock wasn't set right. |
| 09:48.55 | AussieHatter | quintin: what happened ? |
| 09:49.21 | quintin | So, it's setup as it should be, but something in the first machine i skeeping it from booting |
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| 09:49.26 | quintin | w t f ? :) |
| 09:49.32 | AussieHatter | weird |
| 09:49.36 | CAiRO | hi |
| 09:49.40 | quintin | This same machine had windoze setup on it when I got it, and it worked. Windows starts from the MBR. |
| 09:49.42 | berzerka | enouf, liable: /etc/sysfs.conf seems to be the one i need. sysctl.conf can only set parameters which are available through sysctl, which the cpufreq governor is not (as i see from sysctl -a). in sysfs.conf is even an example to set the cpufreq governor. do you know which init script i have to execute to make the changes take effect? init.d/procps.sh is for sysctl.conf, as enouf said. |
| 09:49.42 | lyx | dpkg: is not on some channel? |
| 09:49.52 | CAiRO | i have a problem starting openoffice, it always says InsertFromHorizontalBitmap - empty image! and Unknown error forking main binary / abnormal early exit |
| 09:49.54 | CAiRO | what can i do? |
| 09:49.55 | quintin | has anyone ever seen anything like this before? |
| 09:49.59 | AussieHatter | i haven't |
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| 09:50.21 | bhundven | quintin: did you use a different cable from one computer to the next? |
| 09:50.25 | quintin | so, wtf do I do? |
| 09:50.29 | quintin | bhundven: nope, same sata cable |
| 09:50.34 | fantomas | Hi. How to get Motherboard name? |
| 09:50.45 | enouf | !tell berzerka about cpufreq |
| 09:50.48 | AussieHatter | fantomas: torch and screwdrvier |
| 09:51.08 | quintin | maybe I should just get another motherboard for the server. might be easiest |
| 09:51.09 | nvz | lyx: doesnt seem like the maintainer of bash is on this server at all. though the maintainers dont nessicarily hang out on irc anyhow. if they were gonna hang out in #debian for some reason they'd probably do it on the official server OFTC (irc.debian.org) |
| 09:51.31 | fantomas | AussieHatter: ssh here |
| 09:51.36 | quintin | t;his isn't official? shouldn't it be ##debian then? :P |
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| 09:51.41 | lyx | i want to kill him, where I could find it! |
| 09:51.46 | nvz | lyx: standard proceedure for contacting a maintainer is email |
| 09:51.52 | nvz | heh |
| 09:52.15 | bhundven | heh, I don't recommand going the reiser route... cops and jail suk |
| 09:52.27 | AussieHatter | lol |
| 09:52.29 | berzerka | enouf: yes i know, thank you ;) but i dont want a userspace daemon but the kernel builtin governor. but well i guess a reboot will apply those changes. |
| 09:52.44 | quintin | bhundven: hah. |
| 09:53.11 | nvz | I didnt really get that joke, but the punchline was understood |
| 09:53.36 | bhundven | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hans_Reiser |
| 09:53.50 | AussieHatter | nvz: mister reiser of reiserfs fame is not just famous as a programmer |
| 09:53.57 | nvz | oh well I should go back to bed, I am feeling hungry now as I've been up almost an hour again and I got like an hour before I am suppose to be up anyhow |
| 09:54.29 | berzerka | enouf: ah, /etc/init.d/sysfsutils restart does it! thanks again! |
| 09:54.42 | lyx | happy booting, :-) |
| 09:54.43 | enouf | berzerka: ;-p |
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| 09:54.56 | nvz | ah, he killed his wife eh |
| 09:55.09 | nvz | too bad johnny cockran is no longer alive |
| 09:55.18 | bhundven | suspected, not guilty |
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| 09:56.02 | bhundven | he is awaiting arraignment... afaik |
| 09:56.31 | nvz | sounds like an OJ Simpson case to me |
| 09:56.36 | bhundven | ^^ |
| 09:57.02 | nvz | I'd still call Johnny's firm |
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| 09:58.11 | nvz | You're always innocent when Jonny Cockran is around |
| 09:58.53 | nvz | you may look guitly as hell/.. but you'll go home.. as Chris Rock said 'I'd rather look guilty at the mall, than innocent in jail' |
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| 09:59.44 | Knight_Lord | Is it just me or korganizer is full of bugs? |
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| 10:00.08 | hrw | hi |
| 10:00.17 | quintin | Knight_Lord: kde *is* a bug |
| 10:00.25 | hrw | someone has libc6 2.5exp3 for amd64 somewhere? |
| 10:00.32 | hrw | 2.5exp4 broke my toolchain |
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| 10:07.06 | karmatronic | hey there |
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| 10:08.15 | lkthomas | guys |
| 10:08.24 | lkthomas | does mod_macro included in debian trees ? |
| 10:08.58 | quintin | EUREAJKA I FIXSKE IT IF IXED IT WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTZOR |
| 10:09.01 | quintin | WEIFJWE |
| 10:09.03 | quintin | WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 10:09.08 | quintin | stupidest fucking bug ev er |
| 10:09.10 | karmatronic | !caps |
| 10:09.10 | dpkg | Don't write words all in capital letters unless they're abbreviations. To emphasize words put an underscore( "_" )_ on both sides of them. |
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| 10:09.19 | bhundven | quintin: ? |
| 10:09.33 | quintin | the BIOS won't load GRUB from the MBR unless one of the primary partitions is marked as bootable |
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| 10:09.39 | quintin | Another BIOS coder who needs to be shot. |
| 10:09.39 | bhundven | lol |
| 10:09.47 | quintin | karmatronic: I'll emphasize how I like, kthnxbie. |
| 10:09.55 | karmatronic | quintin: bouh |
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| 10:10.07 | karmatronic | kthnxbie? |
| 10:10.07 | quintin | karmatronic: bouh? :-S |
| 10:10.11 | quintin | yes :p |
| 10:10.17 | quintin | !aolify karmatronic |
| 10:10.23 | quintin | :D |
| 10:10.26 | quintin | I'm so happy |
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| 10:10.54 | krinns | hi all |
| 10:11.05 | quintin | krinns: hi2u |
| 10:11.16 | krinns | hai |
| 10:11.24 | krinns | i have a machine with software raid |
| 10:11.29 | krinns | its raid is faulty |
| 10:11.31 | krinns | what to do |
| 10:11.45 | rpc | morning folks |
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| 10:11.53 | Tallu | rpc: morning! |
| 10:11.59 | rpc | Tallu nice to see you around! |
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| 10:12.11 | olsen | hi |
| 10:12.16 | Tallu | rpc: how are you? |
| 10:12.20 | quintin | krinns: I spent all night / morning getting my sw raid to work |
| 10:12.29 | quintin | krinns: you have to be more descriptive of what the problem is |
| 10:12.34 | rpc | Tallu slightly more happy :) |
| 10:12.39 | rpc | and you? |
| 10:12.55 | olsen | i just installed etch, but i can't get packages becuase i don't have a mirror in /etc/apt/sources.list, can someone help me? |
| 10:12.59 | Tallu | rpc: great :) I'm a bit tired, other than that great |
| 10:13.06 | rpc | olsen: apt-get update |
| 10:13.19 | quintin | olsen: duhm.. apt-get update, mebbie |
| 10:13.29 | rpc | Tallu he he did you stay on all night? ;) |
| 10:13.38 | Tallu | rpc: well, i slept for 3 hours, so sort of. |
| 10:13.51 | rpc | oh.. i know how you feel |
| 10:13.58 | krinns | wait |
| 10:14.01 | krinns | am doing |
| 10:15.05 | cydork | olsen: add deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian etch main contrib to you that. |
| 10:15.11 | rpc | he is gone :. |
| 10:15.23 | rpc | not a thank you even... thus noob :) |
| 10:15.24 | cydork | oh well |
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| 10:16.13 | mhall | Hey can anybody suggest a place where I can find newer Debian kernel packages? I need beta 2.6.20 to get around a bug between GCC and the kernel. |
| 10:16.35 | rpc | mhall kernel.org is your home :) |
| 10:16.57 | mhall | rpc: don't want to have to screw with compiling right now, i know how but i'm way too bosy |
| 10:17.00 | mhall | rpc: busy* |
| 10:17.04 | haggz | mhall: i havent heard of .20 being deb-packaged by anyone yet, but lots of people have built and installed it successfully |
| 10:17.09 | rpc | you can't expect newer kernel on stable debian |
| 10:17.26 | mhall | rpc: i was hoping for a non-debian unofficial archive or an experimental |
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| 10:17.39 | quintin | So, when a drive in my RAID fails |
| 10:17.43 | rpc | mhall what flavour on debian are you on? |
| 10:17.50 | rpc | of* |
| 10:17.50 | mhall | i'm already behind schedule here at work and i'm gonna catch hell if i go further behind |
| 10:17.54 | mhall | rpc: unstable |
| 10:17.55 | quintin | Can I just disk dump the working drive to a new one and be back in business? |
| 10:17.57 | mhall | rpc: for this box |
| 10:18.07 | mhall | rpc: but most of my boxes here at hp run stable |
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| 10:18.13 | mhall | rpc: with 2.4 or early 2.6 |
| 10:18.23 | rpc | mhall mhm well as haggz said - there are simply no newer packages for debian yet, all you can do is compile it yourself |
| 10:18.26 | quintin | mhall: where are you at ? I used to know someone who worked for hp |
| 10:18.34 | mhall | quintin: roseville ca us |
| 10:18.38 | quintin | mhall: ah, ok |
| 10:18.40 | rpc | nice |
| 10:18.44 | mhall | quintin: about 'disk dump', what do you mean by this term |
| 10:18.45 | sep | quintin, raid1 ? just replace the drive, and use mdadm to hotadd the new drive and it will automagicaly resync |
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| 10:18.57 | mhall | quintin: you probably really want hot add with mdadm |
| 10:19.24 | sep | quintin, you must ofcourse partition then new identical to the old. so keeping a listing of the partition table is very clever. |
| 10:19.30 | bhundven | mhall: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/kernel-pkg/index-kernel-pkg.html |
| 10:19.32 | mhall | quintin: the idea of RAID is you get some specified amount of safety against failed drives, so you don't have to mess with the layout |
| 10:19.37 | haggz | mhall: hmm it looks like sidux has a compiled .20 kernel available but i have no clue if it would plug into your system |
| 10:20.38 | mhall | haggz: they don't make it too clear how to get the little bastard |
| 10:20.49 | quintin | yes raid1. I rather use dd if that is ok way to do it, since it would be faster than an online rebuild |
| 10:20.51 | enouf | there's some .20 stuff in experimental .. but it's 'experimental' :-) .. so |
| 10:21.00 | mhall | bhundven: already know how to do it, but it's 2:30 AM, i'm behind, and i just wanna debug my app |
| 10:21.19 | mhall | quintin: just do the rebuild |
| 10:21.20 | RvGaTe | How do i burn a .iso to a blank cd-rw? |
| 10:21.28 | enouf | mhall: using stable? .. heav you tried kmuto's .19 custom? |
| 10:21.36 | enouf | s/heav/have |
| 10:21.39 | mhall | quintin: the disks contain these special GUID values placed on them by mdadm |
| 10:21.54 | haggz | mhall: have you checked out http://www.sidux.com/files/kernel/ ? |
| 10:22.05 | mhall | enouf: problem is that there is this bug between GDB LIBC and the kernel they only fixed in 2.6.20 beta |
| 10:22.08 | rpc | bhundven very nice docs, thanks, will learn something from that as well |
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| 10:22.15 | RvGaTe | nvm, found it |
| 10:22.26 | mhall | enouf: and i don't wanna screw with compiling 2.6.20 if somebody already has packages posted somewhere |
| 10:22.27 | bhundven | I <3 google |
| 10:22.29 | enouf | mhall: ok .. |
| 10:22.36 | SerajewelKS | sweet, yesterday kqemu was GPL'd |
| 10:22.36 | olsen | hi, it's me again, i can do apt-get update just fine, it updates but only the security updates i think |
| 10:22.37 | quintin | Ok, so when a drive dies, pull it, put new one in, reboot , hotadd .. ja? |
| 10:22.45 | SerajewelKS | get that bitch packaged :) |
| 10:22.50 | olsen | i need the mirror of the main repositories i think |
| 10:23.02 | enouf | mhall: <CIA-1> waldi * r8262 /dists/trunk/linux-2.6/debian/changelog: debian/changelog: Set version to 2.6.20-1~experimental.1. |
| 10:23.17 | mhall | enouf: that might do the job |
| 10:23.27 | bhundven | SerajewelKS: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=kqemu&searchon=names&subword=1&version=unstable&release=all |
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| 10:24.17 | SerajewelKS | bhundven: that's in non-free |
| 10:24.52 | olsen | this is what i have in my sources.list, http://pastebin.co.uk/9973 |
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| 10:24.53 | mhall | quintin: yeah |
| 10:25.00 | krinns | hi a |
| 10:25.05 | krinns | sorry i was dc |
| 10:25.06 | mhall | quintin: sometimes if you have hotswap SATA2 controllers you don't have to reboot |
| 10:25.06 | bhundven | SerajewelKS: werd, but the package is already built, all they would need to do is update the COPYING file and change it to the appropriate repository |
| 10:25.16 | olsen | can someone help me with adding a new repository? |
| 10:25.25 | haggz | olsen: yes you are missing the main repos |
| 10:25.25 | mhall | quintin: but unless you're sure you better reboot |
| 10:25.30 | olsen | haggz: yeah |
| 10:25.31 | SerajewelKS | bhundven: nod |
| 10:25.37 | Tallu | olsen: why did you install etch if you dont know the basics..? |
| 10:25.53 | Phil | Tallu: everyone has to learn |
| 10:25.54 | olsen | Tallu: to learn it |
| 10:26.11 | Tallu | olsen: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 10:26.16 | olsen | Tallu: done |
| 10:26.25 | quintin | mhall: is hotswap only sata2? |
| 10:26.37 | Tallu | olsen: then apt-get update and apt-get upgrade |
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| 10:26.50 | olsen | Tallu: but what do i put in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 10:26.50 | quintin | oh and wait a minute... do I need to partition the new hard drive like the old one? with the three partitions 'linux raid autodetect' ? Or will the rebuild do taht for me? |
| 10:26.57 | haggz | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 10:27.06 | olsen | haggz: thanks |
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| 10:27.21 | bhundven | SerajewelKS: actually, there is already a bug open on that: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=409882 |
| 10:27.22 | haggz | deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib nonfree |
| 10:27.33 | Tallu | olsen: yeah what haggz said. you can use apt-spy or something to look for repos closer to you |
| 10:27.42 | haggz | olsen: you may get better results if you use country-specific repos or other mirrors |
| 10:27.46 | olsen | Tallu: cool |
| 10:28.00 | haggz | olsen: but those should be safe and work for you |
| 10:28.00 | olsen | is there documentation available for learning that part? |
| 10:28.31 | Tallu | man apt-get |
| 10:28.35 | bhundven | olsen: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/index.html |
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| 10:28.41 | SerajewelKS | bhundven: that was fast |
| 10:29.10 | bhundven | SerajewelKS: at the speed of the interwebs... |
| 10:29.12 | karmatronic | olsen: if you understand french , there s a fantastic howto on debian |
| 10:29.25 | olsen | karmatronic: i dont understand french :/ |
| 10:29.36 | haggz | olsen: apt-cache search doc | grep deb will find you a lot of relevant documentation packages |
| 10:29.36 | quintin | Debian GNU/Linux 4.0 |
| 10:29.42 | quintin | *that* is scary to see at a login prompt :-S |
| 10:29.45 | karmatronic | olsen: touché :( |
| 10:29.49 | quintin | machine works, I guess. |
| 10:30.09 | quintin | Is it normal on a sw raid machine for load to be so high all the time? have 'mdx_sync' taking up lots of cpu it looks like |
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| 10:30.56 | olsen | karmatronic: i only speak spanish, english (a bit) and a bit of portuguese, i want to learn italian though |
| 10:31.42 | enouf | !tell olsen about apt howto |
| 10:31.44 | karmatronic | olsen: spanish? |
| 10:31.45 | liable | SerajewelKS: thats the proprietry module thing for qemu? |
| 10:31.46 | bhundven | olsen: spanish it is then: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/es.i386/index.html |
| 10:31.55 | SerajewelKS | liable: yes, it's now GPL |
| 10:31.57 | quintin | md2_resync md2_raid1 are the processes taking up CPU |
| 10:32.06 | SerajewelKS | liable: as of yesterday |
| 10:32.11 | liable | SerajewelKS: nice |
| 10:32.26 | SerajewelKS | liable: very nice. so nice i blogged it. |
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| 10:32.45 | enouf | SerajewelKS: that's the one that speeds it up .. ? |
| 10:32.53 | liable | yep |
| 10:32.55 | enouf | er things up ;-) |
| 10:33.19 | enouf | heh .. well it's necessary for KVM to really take off ;-) sweet .. i guess |
| 10:33.25 | mhall | quintin: you have to do it |
| 10:34.10 | SerajewelKS | enouf: well the advantage here is that for people without VT chips, this is the first truly free virtualization system |
| 10:34.25 | karmatronic | quintin: tr '[a-z]' '[A-Z]' |
| 10:35.01 | quintin | karmatronic: ? |
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| 10:35.09 | Tallu | Hmm if anyone has any tips on installing debian on a sparc(with no os currently) or knows a nice howto, i'd really appreciate it |
| 10:35.25 | enouf | liable: i was a wee bit off earlier .. /etc/sysfs.conf and /etc/init.d/sysfsutils are related ... as /etc/sysctl.conf and /etc/init.d/procps.sh are |
| 10:35.50 | stoned | hey |
| 10:35.54 | stoned | I made some progress |
| 10:35.54 | enouf | SerajewelKS: yrp .. maybe I'll give it a go on my pII .. O.o |
| 10:35.59 | stoned | liable: yo |
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| 10:36.19 | karmatronic | quintin: i need you to get back to CAPITAL letters |
| 10:36.24 | karmatronic | quintin: :) |
| 10:36.27 | stoned | I can run Xgl inside Xnest, but it still gives this error in console. Couldn't open log file '/var/log/Xgl.1.log' for writing: Permission denied] |
| 10:36.36 | enouf | liable: and the cpufreq stuff /exa,ples are in sysfs.conf |
| 10:36.45 | haggz | tallu: there is an official debian guide to sparc installation |
| 10:36.52 | stoned | dendrite: you here by any chance? |
| 10:36.57 | quintin | karmatronic: o. but why? :p |
| 10:37.15 | krinns | hi any one works on proftp |
| 10:37.17 | quintin | Ok, looking at /proc/mdstat, md2 is in 'resync', whatever the hellt hat is. :P I think that's why I have high load. |
| 10:37.20 | quintin | krinns: proftp sux |
| 10:37.31 | haggz | tallu: apt-get install installation-guide-sparc |
| 10:37.44 | krinns | then |
| 10:37.59 | krinns | so i use vsftp |
| 10:38.01 | krinns | right |
| 10:38.04 | Tallu | haggz: wow, thanks. :) |
| 10:38.08 | quintin | krinns: it's actually still what I'm running on this server though.. lol. wonder why |
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| 10:38.38 | krinns | so |
| 10:38.45 | haggz | tallu: dont thank me, thank "apt-cache search install" -- im just a bot that runs apt-cache searches and occasionally google for people:-P |
| 10:38.45 | krinns | i think its easy |
| 10:38.46 | krinns | hai |
| 10:39.08 | krinns | i want the default ftp dir should be /var/www/mysite |
| 10:39.15 | krinns | how i change that |
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| 10:39.29 | krinns | currently its frp on /home/ftp |
| 10:39.31 | subzerounderdawg | does anyone know any cyber managerment cum cyber billing soft for linux just like CafeSuite for Win |
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| 10:40.09 | Phil | which ftpd are you using krinns? |
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| 10:40.22 | krinns | proftp |
| 10:40.38 | Phil | then change the DefaultRoot directive in /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf |
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| 10:41.38 | quintin | /proc/mdstat says it's going to finish in 1.2m , but it has been much longer than 1.2m .. |
| 10:42.13 | enouf | Tallu: is that a sparc64? |
| 10:42.29 | nvz | I wonder does using my stylish plugin to set elements of a page to display:none stop firefox from even downloading them i.e. making the page load faster |
| 10:42.37 | haggz | time is relative. einstien and the linux kernel both prove it. |
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| 10:42.47 | Tallu | enouf: yes, i think it is, its kind of ancient though. |
| 10:42.52 | hrw | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:44.08 | enouf | Tallu: hrm .. thought it was a 64 issue, looks like a 32 one though http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
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| 10:44.56 | Tallu | enouf: hmm okay |
| 10:44.56 | va | how to create only network installable image..net.iso |
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| 10:45.37 | haggz | hrw: that question gets me thinking: is it practical to make lib calls to an external server using a network socket? |
| 10:45.39 | enouf | Tallu: it's always wise to look over the errata anyways ;-) more info http://wiki.debian.org/NewInEtch |
| 10:45.52 | nvz | va: this exists already |
| 10:46.07 | nvz | va: its called the business-card.iso |
| 10:46.20 | va | nvz:i like to create it |
| 10:46.27 | enouf | go ahead |
| 10:46.29 | hrw | haggz: I never thought about it |
| 10:46.34 | nvz | va: does not contain a base-system has to fetchit from the internet |
| 10:46.37 | Tallu | enouf: ahh thanks. :) I've used debian for quite a while, this is my first time with a sparc and ive never done an automated install, so that i could carry on with ssh |
| 10:46.38 | va | nvz:i like to know about it |
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| 10:47.00 | nvz | va: #debian-boot is the debian-installer channel |
| 10:47.02 | Tallu | enouf: (the serial port isnt talking to me) |
| 10:47.04 | eJunky | can anybody help me with xen problems in etch? |
| 10:47.10 | nvz | va: I would highly recommend not doing so though |
| 10:47.34 | petemc | eJunky: just ask |
| 10:47.36 | nvz | va: having base on an iso is very desireable in situations where the installer cannot get the net working for some reason |
| 10:47.47 | enouf | Tallu: console=/dev/ttyS0 at boot? |
| 10:47.57 | nvz | va: then you can at least do a base install and login to a full working system to get the network issues resolved |
| 10:47.59 | eJunky | well, I have upgraded my sarge to etch yesterday and installed all that xen-stuff needed and now have a running dom0 |
| 10:48.11 | eJunky | but, I cannot get a domU running? |
| 10:48.22 | petemc | eJunky: why not? |
| 10:48.26 | haggz | hrw: in theory you could have a daemon that would create a network socket to a giant library/system call repository if something got called that wasn't available locally...that's kind of a hackers dream, call any functioning from any programming library ever. Sorry its not a practical solution to your current problem. |
| 10:48.31 | Tallu | enouf: well, i cant really give any parameters to it? i was told it automatically drops it to serial though |
| 10:48.37 | va | nvz:means network installable image means base installable.. |
| 10:48.43 | Tallu | enouf: i tried to connect to it with minicom but with no luck |
| 10:48.43 | eJunky | I don't know why but the scripts cannot start the appropriate devices vif vbd. |
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| 10:49.00 | eJunky | xm create -c debian-etch |
| 10:49.00 | eJunky | Using config file "debian-etch". |
| 10:49.01 | eJunky | Error: Device 769 (vbd) could not be connected. Hotplug scripts not working. |
| 10:49.11 | va | nvz:if we exclude gnome or kde then it will create net.iso? |
| 10:49.12 | bhundven | haggz: sounds scary |
| 10:49.17 | hrw | haggz: ? I want libc6 packages not developers help ;d |
| 10:49.17 | nvz | va: all debian flavors are network capable. this is the nature of the debian package tool apt |
| 10:49.17 | enouf | Tallu: dunno offhand .. man stty, man getty, man inittab |
| 10:49.19 | eJunky | the error comes a long time after the startup. |
| 10:49.23 | petemc | eJunky: have you configured xend-config.sxp ? |
| 10:49.34 | Tallu | enouf: will do thanks :) |
| 10:49.58 | nvz | va: there are already isos made with this in mind.. there is the netinstall (with base) and the businesscard (without base) I really dont understand why you want to reinvent the wheel |
| 10:50.13 | eJunky | petemc: I had a look at it and configured it for bridging stuff but the does not work either |
| 10:50.29 | haggz | bhundven: yeah there are insane practicality issues since the latency on finding library and system calls over the network is orders of magnitude greater than you want, but its really just an extension of the way a web browser queries you for a plug-in and installs it when confronted with unknown media types |
| 10:50.50 | eJunky | at least it created a xenbr0 but thats all. |
| 10:50.54 | petemc | eJunky: thats likely the problem, read one of the many guides there are for configuring xen |
| 10:50.59 | nvz | anyway I am off to cook breakfast like it was my job, and get ready for work |
| 10:51.13 | Raging_Hog | are there other system editor definitions(which applications might look for) than EDITOR-variable or the update-alternatives --config editor? |
| 10:51.28 | eJunky | petemc: have you any current link for how to do it on etch? |
| 10:51.37 | petemc | eJunky: no, google |
| 10:51.39 | va | nvz:it's not like invent..but after doing this i can learn about creating network image |
| 10:51.56 | eJunky | I guess there should be udev-events generated but the don't work or anything. |
| 10:51.57 | bhundven | haggz: what happens when that server is down... redundancy? version numbers? lagggggg? man-in-the-middle... I could keep going... |
| 10:52.18 | anapivritua | Bye all |
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| 10:52.26 | eJunky | petemc: I found a lot about that the last days, but none of that worked out for me. |
| 10:52.37 | nvz | va: the network image is just debian-installer without a package pool on the cd. see #debian-boot its the channel for debian-installer |
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| 10:52.57 | indu | hi, |
| 10:52.57 | petemc | eJunky: guessing and making assumptions probably isnt that useful |
| 10:52.58 | va | nvz:for creating as well customizing installable image many documents are available but for creating network installable image i am not getting any good referance document |
| 10:53.07 | quintin | Anyone here use 'firestarter'? |
| 10:53.14 | indu | can some tell me, which package will bring mail command into my debian etch system |
| 10:53.21 | petemc | mailx |
| 10:53.22 | indu | I dont have mail command in my system |
| 10:53.23 | petemc | i think |
| 10:53.28 | va | nvz:thr no body giving any response. |
| 10:53.32 | haggz | bhundven: yeah i sure wouldnt want to get near trying to code, implement, or maintain a distributed set of libraries and system calls. |
| 10:53.37 | eJunky | petemc: that's why I was asking on this channel to get a hint for where to look at next as I don't have any more ideas left so far. |
| 10:53.46 | indu | thankyou petemc |
| 10:53.48 | nvz | va: like I said, all debian media from install disks to running systems are network capable there is no such thing as debian without network that would be debian without apt, aptitude..etc |
| 10:54.01 | va | nvz:on debian-boot from morning i am asking but no reply |
| 10:54.04 | petemc | eJunky: i asked about your xend-config, you gave a vague answer about having looked at it |
| 10:54.17 | enouf | Tallu: fwiw .. if you can use a console param : it may be this instead console=ttyS0,9600n8 |
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| 10:54.40 | eJunky | I even compared it to the config of a friend of mine where it is running. |
| 10:54.40 | nvz | va: creating a debian install media _IS_ creating a network install media. The only difference between a network install and a regular install media is the presence of a pool/ dir containing packages |
| 10:54.43 | eJunky | same content. |
| 10:55.08 | va | nvz:there is huge differance in size og network and full cd image |
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| 10:55.24 | petemc | eJunky: you can use the xen scripts to check status of bridges etc |
| 10:55.37 | Tallu | enouf: yes i'll try and do something like that when i get to making the installer.. thanks :) |
| 10:55.39 | eJunky | petemc: this is all active: (network-script 'network-bridge netdev=eth1') |
| 10:55.40 | eJunky | (vif-script vif-bridge) |
| 10:55.40 | eJunky | (dom0-min-mem 196) |
| 10:55.40 | eJunky | (dom0-cpus 0) |
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| 10:55.41 | nvz | va: duh because one contains the entire 15000+ packages and fits on 15 cds or 2 dvds and the other contains no packages |
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| 10:55.55 | rpc | do i need X to run xen? |
| 10:56.03 | rpc | or can all be done in console? |
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| 10:56.16 | enouf | Tallu: a google of ' console=ttyS0,9600n8 sparc ssh ' may return some goodies ;-) |
| 10:56.27 | nvz | va: that is the sole difference. getting it with or without the pool/ the network install is the EXACT SAME DISC except you have to use a pool/ from a remote server |
| 10:56.41 | enouf | Tallu: you know about debootstrap? |
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| 10:57.31 | va | nvz:where i have to do changes so that only base system containing image i cancreate.. |
| 10:57.38 | Tallu | enouf: not really.. yet atleast |
| 10:57.38 | nvz | va: in the case of the netinstall there is a pool/ containing only the base-system needed to boot into stage 2 install where you do base-config from your newly installed system, and in the business card there is no pool/ at all and you need network connectivity to get to stage 2 |
| 10:58.01 | Tallu | enouf: i'm more than interested in learning about it though =) |
| 10:58.10 | petemc | eJunky: you have a line for the bridge in the domU config? |
| 10:58.14 | eJunky | thank you for being kicked without being warned about that, |
| 10:58.29 | petemc | eJunky: you dont paste into the channel,the kick is automatic |
| 10:58.31 | eJunky | yes, but I'm obviously not allowed to paste that. |
| 10:58.36 | enouf | Tallu: http://wiki.debian.org/Debootstrap |
| 10:58.44 | Tallu | enouf: thanks :) |
| 10:58.53 | enouf | erm Tallu also /msg dpkg debootstrap for more too |
| 10:58.54 | eJunky | Ronin: thanks *yummy* |
| 10:59.03 | va | nvz:to create netinst.iso .we require to change in CONF.sh? |
| 10:59.31 | nvz | I require to make breakfast and get my ass ready for work |
| 10:59.49 | eJunky | petemc: ok, I hoped that small stuff was ok but see the config here http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/9325 |
| 11:00.15 | Tallu | enouf: okay I'll have to read up on it as soon as I get home. :) |
| 11:00.16 | eJunky | disk is currently commented out and vif was commented out before. |
| 11:00.23 | usr_rob | very strange, i have fglrx-control installed, that's what synaptic says, but i can't find it on the system. fglrx and 'tab' i will only find fgl_glxgears, fglrxinfo and fglrx_xgamma. any suggestions? |
| 11:00.25 | eJunky | both entries don't work. |
| 11:00.56 | petemc | eJunky: concentrate your efforts on getting a working config |
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| 11:01.21 | enouf | Tallu: I'm not sure that's what you want/need though .. there are many other options too, like PXEboot and such, just throwing some info out (hopefully some is relevant ;-)) |
| 11:01.23 | petemc | eJunky: ill paste one of mine.. |
| 11:01.36 | eJunky | petemc: well then first I'd like to have that network stuff running at least. |
| 11:01.41 | eJunky | http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/9326 |
| 11:01.44 | eJunky | looks ok for me. |
| 11:02.11 | petemc | eJunky: would it surprise you to learn the "network stuff" and the config are intertwined? |
| 11:02.12 | Tallu | enouf: well i tried to set up a pxe boot environment but the sparc doesnt request an ip so that wouldnt work, basically what i need is just something to ask for an ip and run sshd so i can log in and start installing the os, or anything else, like debootstrap |
| 11:02.29 | petemc | eJunky: http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/9327 |
| 11:02.38 | eJunky | petemc: no, as I already figured out to change that... |
| 11:02.58 | petemc | eJunky: so why say you want to get one working before the other? |
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| 11:04.25 | eJunky | petemc: what is "extra=4" good for? |
| 11:04.29 | petemc | eJunky: you can run the scripts directly, eg: /etc/xen/scripts/network-bridge status |
| 11:05.00 | eJunky | petemc: I did so as you can see in my last link. |
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| 11:06.08 | enouf | Tallu: wish you well .. if really stuck .. check out the #debian-boot channel on OFTC .. view/search previous mails lists.debian.org / devel / debian-boot |
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| 11:07.06 | eJunky | petemc: do you know what exactly "xm" does on a "create" command? I'd like to debug that in depth a little bit more. |
| 11:07.22 | petemc | eJunky: you could try modprobe netloop |
| 11:07.25 | eJunky | especially how it creates the devices an |
| 11:07.36 | eJunky | netloop is loaded already. |
| 11:07.51 | petemc | the docs would explain what happens much better than i could |
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| 11:08.12 | eJunky | how comes /etc/udev/rules.d/z60_xen-backend.rules into the game? |
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| 11:08.51 | rpc | hmm i don't quite understand this: Linux version 2.6.18-3-k7 (Debian 2.6.18-7) <----am i running 18-3 or 18-7? uname says 18-3 and /proc/version 18-7... isn't that strange? |
| 11:09.03 | eJunky | well then, at least thanks for the hints so far. |
| 11:09.41 | enouf | Tallu: I guess someone already told you how to install the guide for sparc .. also here (via web access) http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.sparc/index.html |
| 11:10.06 | petemc | eJunky: ill say this, your routing table looks a lot more complicated than any of my xen boxes |
| 11:10.38 | eJunky | petemc: that's my openvpn stuff. |
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| 11:11.08 | eJunky | petemc: all that tun0 can be ignored. |
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| 11:11.27 | Tallu | enouf: yep, thanks a lot :) I'll try and manage, hehe |
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| 11:13.06 | eJunky | petemc: /etc/xen/scripts/block is never started as far as I can see it, it should be called from udev according to the rules but there is no such event for it. |
| 11:13.32 | eJunky | petemc: I added some logging output to the block-script but it gets never executed. |
| 11:15.05 | petemc | eJunky: there could be some bugs in the package, im using the packages from sid without issue, but there have been issues in the past |
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| 11:18.05 | quintin | I have configured firestarter to share internet connection with another machine, and it mostly works. I can ping outside world, but this other machine cannot resolv names, even though I put 'nameserver 1.2.3.4' in /etc/resolv.conf. I can ping the nameserver on the internet. any ideas? |
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| 11:20.19 | cydork | quintin: firewall blocking dns query? |
| 11:20.42 | quintin | cydork: hell if I know |
| 11:21.24 | cydork | quintin: do you have firewall for 53 port? |
| 11:21.31 | jelly-home | rpc: the version of the source package is 2.6.18-7. It is used to build your 2.6.18-3-k7 and other 2.6.18-3-* binary packages. |
| 11:21.57 | xi1 | quintin: is 1.2.3.4 really the dns server, or at least forwareds the requests? |
| 11:22.05 | xi1 | *forwards |
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| 11:22.27 | quintin | xi1: no, that's an example. the ip is what my ns really is, duh :P it's 74.132.1.132, I think |
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| 11:22.50 | bhundven | think != know |
| 11:23.15 | eJunky | petemc: Hey, at least the network stuff works now after I renamed vif to vif0 |
| 11:23.30 | quintin | bhundven: It doesn't matter, so stfu, kthnx. |
| 11:23.36 | bhundven | :-P |
| 11:23.44 | xi1 | probably firewall |
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| 11:24.37 | quintin | cydork: how would I see about port 53 being blocked? I don't see many settings in firestarter, but it is set to 'permissive' mode, and I have internet connection sharing on, so I don't think it would be blocking dns query |
| 11:25.26 | xi1 | telnet to port 53 from the problematic box |
| 11:25.59 | quintin | That box does not have telnet installed, unfortunately. |
| 11:26.17 | karmatronic | xi1: dns is over udp |
| 11:26.19 | quintin | Ok, I can also do a traceroute 4.2.2.2 and it goes through machines in outside world. my ISP > level3 communications > someplace else > 4.2.2.2 |
| 11:27.02 | stoned | yo |
| 11:27.10 | stoned | weed + persistence did it |
| 11:27.16 | stoned | I got Xgl + Beryl to run |
| 11:27.22 | stoned | but now everything is all white |
| 11:27.25 | stoned | :( |
| 11:27.25 | karmatronic | quintin: iptables -L will list the active rules |
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| 11:27.54 | quintin | karmatronic: on the firestarter box? |
| 11:28.00 | bhundven | karmatronic: dns is over udp, unless the query is too large or is a zone transfer, then it uses tcp |
| 11:28.14 | karmatronic | bhundven: right |
| 11:28.19 | karmatronic | quintin: yeah |
| 11:28.50 | karmatronic | quintin: you re trying to check if port 53 is blocked |
| 11:28.50 | karmatronic | ? |
| 11:28.52 | quintin | karmatronic: the output is pretty much beyond me. can you look at it if I paste it somewhere? |
| 11:28.59 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 11:29.52 | quintin | karmatronic: http://pastebin.ca/342546 |
| 11:30.41 | enouf | jelly-home: interesting .. rpc if really that interested see http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ and http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 11:31.22 | stoned | I GOT IT!!! |
| 11:31.26 | stoned | omg! I fucking did it! |
| 11:31.38 | haggz | stoned: congrats |
| 11:31.40 | stoned | fglrx + beryl + Xgl + cube goodness |
| 11:31.52 | stoned | this is btw |
| 11:31.53 | stoned | i Xnest |
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| 11:32.05 | stoned | it still won't run as user from cli |
| 11:32.12 | stoned | I can only run it from another X session right now |
| 11:32.14 | stoned | but its cool |
| 11:32.30 | stoned | the white cube was a rendering method |
| 11:32.34 | stoned | I changed it and its good |
| 11:33.06 | quintin | stoned: you want a cookie? :P |
| 11:33.11 | stoned | yes |
| 11:33.15 | stoned | I'm starving actually |
| 11:33.25 | stoned | two freakin days and I finally go tit |
| 11:33.27 | stoned | almost |
| 11:33.38 | stoned | now if I can make it work fullscreen that would be awesome |
| 11:33.40 | quintin | stoned: I find the task switcher in compiz/beryl incredibly cool and useful. the rest is just pretties |
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| 11:33.57 | quintin | stoned: fullscreen? |
| 11:34.21 | quintin | karmatronic: PING |
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| 11:34.51 | Bert- | hello there |
| 11:34.57 | stoned | quintin: yeh |
| 11:35.34 | enouf | stoned: you're documenting all this .. right? |
| 11:35.48 | stoned | I log everyting |
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| 11:36.01 | stoned | Ph34|2 my grepping abilities |
| 11:36.08 | stoned | grep is my bitch |
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| 11:36.24 | dr1v3r | guys when setting up disk quotas, what is the best filesystem to use? |
| 11:36.38 | enouf | waiting to see the wikipedia updated ;-) |
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| 11:36.52 | Emmanuel_ChanelJ | Hello, all! |
| 11:36.53 | stoned | enouf: hey thanks for your help |
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| 11:37.03 | stoned | enouf: I feel like randomly thanking you. |
| 11:37.05 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello, all! |
| 11:37.06 | stoned | so umm.. yeh |
| 11:37.12 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: don't spam |
| 11:37.16 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I misjoined by another nick. |
| 11:38.03 | jelly-home | dr1v3r: use whichever fs you're comfortable with, if it has support. |
| 11:38.28 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg 3.1r4 |
| 11:38.28 | dpkg | i guess 3.1r4 is the latest update of Debian 3.1, released on 2006-11-06. http://www.us.debian.org/News/2006/20061106 |
| 11:38.39 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dpkg wwer |
| 11:38.39 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 11:38.47 | jelly-home | Emmanuel_Chanel: /msg the bot |
| 11:38.56 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I'm not a bot. |
| 11:38.57 | dr1v3r | thanks jelly-home |
| 11:39.11 | enouf | !hug stoned |
| 11:39.12 | Emmanuel_Chanel | the bot |
| 11:39.15 | jelly-home | Emmanuel_Chanel: dpkg is, you can speak to it in private |
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| 11:39.43 | Emmanuel_Chanel | oh... ok. I misremembered. |
| 11:40.12 | dr1v3r | also when setting up a fs will everything be lost that is currently installed? |
| 11:40.14 | Emmanuel_Chanel | What kind of bittorrent downloader do you use? |
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| 11:41.22 | debfanman | mornin |
| 11:41.28 | jelly-home | dr1v3r: if you mkfs it, yes. I know that for ext2/ext3 at least you can switch quota on an already existing filesystem |
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| 11:41.45 | jelly-home | s/swti |
| 11:41.50 | jelly-home | s/switch/enable/ |
| 11:42.24 | karmatronic | quintin: still there ? |
| 11:42.35 | debfanman | peterS: oh, you run both #debian's? :/ |
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| 11:43.25 | haggz | stoned: http://ridiculousfish.com/blog/archives/2006/05/30/old-age-and-treachery/ is the best thing I've ever read about grep |
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| 11:44.38 | quintin | karmatronic: YES |
| 11:44.58 | quintin | karmatronic: I have gotten a workaround going sort of by adding a host to the /etc/hosts file and doing things that way.. |
| 11:45.28 | quintin | Can someone give me some /etc/apt/sources.list lines for etch? having trouble finding what I need with google. |
| 11:45.28 | dr1v3r | i just enabled quotas on my current fs, least i am not going to lose anything that way... I hope |
| 11:45.35 | dr1v3r | thanks again jelly-home |
| 11:45.51 | hadron | can I add debian unstable to ubuntu sources.list in order to get latest emacs-snapshot from debian? |
| 11:46.03 | hadron | if so, what exactly? |
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| 11:48.33 | quintin | karmatronic: weird. it just started working! |
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| 11:50.45 | karmatronic | quintin: well at least you solved it.good for you ! |
| 11:52.40 | dr1v3r | guys hwy would i get permission denied when i run /dev/hda1 wilst logged on as root? |
| 11:52.48 | dr1v3r | *why |
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| 11:52.51 | liable | run? |
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| 11:53.10 | dr1v3r | sorry when i use the command /dev/hda1 |
| 11:53.16 | yunhual | hello, i want just print all character between the <table> and </table>, so i use sed -n -e '/<table>.*<\/table>/' to get that, but there are many <table>...</table> pair in my file, this command just can match first token and then exit. how can i let it match all token pair ? thank you. |
| 11:53.21 | liable | thats not a command |
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| 11:53.48 | liable | yunhual: #sed or bash are prolly the best places to ask |
| 11:53.53 | liable | #bash |
| 11:54.23 | norc | yunhual: add a g after the trailing / |
| 11:54.42 | norc | yunhual: /<table>.*<\/table>/g < :) |
| 11:55.17 | dr1v3r | whats the command that would show the output,,,, /dev/hda1 / ext2 defaults 1 1 |
| 11:55.21 | norc | at least I hope its the same thing like in perl |
| 11:55.29 | norc | dr1v3r: what do you mean |
| 11:55.35 | norc | dr1v3r: cat /etc/fstab |
| 11:55.57 | liable | dr1v3r: if you have that in fstab, then 'mount' should mount it |
| 11:56.14 | liable | dr1v3r: but, seeing as it your /, it should be mounted.. |
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| 11:57.06 | dr1v3r | yea i am trying to setup quotas, so i need an enabled quota partition, I have it enabled i just need to check it |
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| 11:58.02 | liable | your / is prolly not a good partition to put a quota on |
| 11:58.57 | dr1v3r | actually no i need to setup another fs, so that it would show /dev/hda1, damn i am going to lose everything :( |
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| 11:59.58 | quintin | karmatronic: w00t |
| 12:00.07 | quintin | karmatronic: yea. configuring the machine behind firestarter now... |
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| 12:01.35 | rpc | do you know what package holds tunctl? |
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| 12:02.36 | dr1v3r | uml-utilities << i get this after a search of it |
| 12:02.46 | rpc | thank you very much |
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| 12:06.24 | anapivirtua | By all. |
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| 12:09.40 | ebbs | hi. When Im trying to start wine, im getting an error: "wine: exists lstat socket : No such file or directory". What can I do to avoid this? |
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| 12:11.48 | rpc | is it normal that i should loose connectivity to the box once i set its eth0 in promisc mode? |
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| 12:14.54 | ebbs | a kind of deadline, isnt it? |
| 12:15.01 | ebbs | in here |
| 12:15.09 | quintin | ebbs: /join #winehq |
| 12:16.52 | sep | rpc, i woudnt not expect that no |
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| 12:17.39 | rpc | sep :( |
| 12:17.53 | rpc | setting up a bridge isn't fun it seems |
| 12:18.20 | ebbs | quintin, i already did |
| 12:18.22 | Fox | it's easy, so it's not fun |
| 12:18.32 | rpc | yes, very easy on a remote host |
| 12:18.46 | rpc | when you need to set promisc on eth0 and then do a few more steps without connectivity |
| 12:18.47 | quintin | omg |
| 12:18.49 | rpc | ever tried that? |
| 12:18.53 | quintin | I thought debian was fast on my PII 350 server |
| 12:19.00 | quintin | got it on a 3200mhz machine with 256m ram now |
| 12:19.02 | quintin | and it SCREAMS |
| 12:19.15 | quintin | dl and install like 50 packages in less than 1m |
| 12:19.20 | rpc | quintin :) get it on dual core 4600+ with 2 gigs and YOU will scream :) |
| 12:19.23 | infernix | try a core2duo clocked at 3.6ghz |
| 12:19.24 | Fox | you need to find out why you loose connectivity, it shouldn't |
| 12:19.39 | quintin | rpc: computers today are so dumb |
| 12:19.43 | quintin | rpc: back in *MY* day |
| 12:19.45 | WorkRoey | hi all |
| 12:19.48 | rpc | Fox you sure that setting eth0 to 0.0.0.0 and promisc won't kill connectivity? |
| 12:20.03 | quintin | our graphics cards had 512kbytes of VRAM, not 512mbytes. AND WE LIKED It. adn we were *thankful* |
| 12:20.10 | Fox | 0.0.0.0 will, promisc won't |
| 12:20.10 | troubled | rpc: its amazing isnt it how much a diff a lean text only interface can be |
| 12:20.28 | rpc | Fox and do i need that 0.0.0.0 to set promisc on? |
| 12:20.33 | Fox | no you don't |
| 12:20.41 | rpc | so it was done for nothing bridge-wise? |
| 12:20.49 | Fox | guess so |
| 12:20.54 | rpc | stupid tutorial then |
| 12:21.03 | Fox | it's crap yes :) |
| 12:21.05 | rpc | troubled he he |
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| 12:21.46 | haggz | quintin: back in MY day we had 64kb of RAM and we were oh-so grateful to have floating-point support in the BASIC interpereter. |
| 12:22.05 | troubled | rpc: whats funny is that all my machines clutered togethere couldnt matchs the bogomips of one newer machine today :/ |
| 12:23.04 | rpc | Fox so you confirm that ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 promisc is crap? |
| 12:23.19 | rpc | and that ifconfig eth0 promisc should go instead? |
| 12:23.56 | troubled | rpc: 0.0.0.0? |
| 12:24.15 | rpc | i read some man that tells me to issue 0.0.0.0 when setting up the bridge |
| 12:24.23 | rpc | so i did and i lost the box |
| 12:24.47 | troubled | rpc: ah, bridgin ok. was wonderin |
| 12:24.58 | troubled | rpc: tryin to setup a bridge remotely i take it? |
| 12:25.03 | rpc | yes |
| 12:25.08 | rpc | and having deep shit with that |
| 12:25.12 | troubled | rpc: theres your first mistake :p |
| 12:25.30 | rpc | i hope my reboot script will work |
| 12:25.35 | Fox | rpc: 0.0.0.0 doesn't have anything to do with promisc, but if you only have 2 nics on your bridge... you're screwed :) |
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| 12:25.40 | rpc | and that the eth0 is back to normal on reboot... |
| 12:25.51 | troubled | rpc: unless your an expert or you have a crontab in place to reboot the machine to a sane state if something goes wrong, i dont advse against playin around with network settings remotely |
| 12:26.02 | rpc | i set up one |
| 12:26.02 | dr1v3r | guys when i type cat /etc/fstab one of the results is /dev/sda1 is this my root fs? |
| 12:26.11 | rpc | Fox will reboot sort this out? |
| 12:26.27 | rpc | hope the change wasn't permanent... |
| 12:26.32 | troubled | rpc: reboot will fix if you didnt edit files to change the settings |
| 12:26.38 | Fox | if /etc/network/interfaces is ok then a reboot would fix it |
| 12:26.40 | rpc | huh then i'm lucky |
| 12:26.44 | troubled | ;) |
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| 12:26.46 | rpc | ok got the ping.. |
| 12:26.48 | rpc | huhu... |
| 12:26.55 | rpc | so what now guys :) |
| 12:27.08 | rpc | i'm kind of scared |
| 12:27.12 | dimir | dr1v3r: egrep '/[ \t]' /etc/fstab |
| 12:27.15 | Fox | you should be :) |
| 12:27.16 | dimir | dr1v3r: is your rewt |
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| 12:27.26 | rpc | because one of the next steps is editing the interfaces config |
| 12:27.30 | Fox | having 2 nics for a bridge is like living on the edge :) |
| 12:27.35 | DebianCookies | Hey |
| 12:27.44 | troubled | i think bridges required you to set 0.0.0.0 for other reasons. promisc has nothing to do with that. thats just so the interface will see all packets instead of specific ones needed for a bridge iirc |
| 12:27.44 | rpc | Fox i have one nic |
| 12:27.55 | rpc | mhm troubled |
| 12:27.59 | BetaCookies | I'm having a problem with debian because it failed to load fglrx :\ |
| 12:28.09 | Fox | one ? you have balls :) |
| 12:28.19 | dr1v3r | thanks dimir i was right it was my footfs |
| 12:28.23 | rpc | ok i will explain: i'm setting up a bridge between tap1 and eth0 for a virtual machine to work |
| 12:28.24 | dr1v3r | *root fs |
| 12:28.30 | Fox | BetaCookies: you're having probleme with fglrx then :) |
| 12:28.32 | rpc | just created tap1 and such |
| 12:28.49 | BetaCookies | Fox yeah, sorry, its too early for this *yawns* |
| 12:28.50 | Fox | I see |
| 12:28.51 | rpc | my aim is to give that guest machine a dedicated ip |
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| 12:29.19 | rpc | and this is like making blind steps for me still |
| 12:29.35 | rpc | anyone tried that and would like to advice me something? |
| 12:29.53 | rpc | i have several ips on that box and setup like eth0:1 eth0:2 and so on |
| 12:30.02 | rpc | and i want to use one of those for the guest machine |
| 12:30.19 | rpc | so shall i bridge tap1 and main interface or eth0:1 instead? |
| 12:30.40 | dimir | dr1v3r: np |
| 12:30.46 | troubled | rpc: sounds like you want to setup iptables to just route traffic from one of the virtual eth's to the guest machine, not bridge |
| 12:31.40 | troubled | rpc: curious though, you get dhcp to work on each eth alias? or you have some static ip's setup? |
| 12:32.04 | rpc | static |
| 12:32.31 | rpc | and i was told that i need to setup a bridge as that's how virtual machine needs it |
| 12:32.45 | troubled | k, was wonderin. never could get dhcp just grab a few ip's from the cable co. the daemon just didnt know wtf to do with virtual interface it seemed |
| 12:32.49 | rpc | i also thought that it would be enough to setup a routing |
| 12:32.54 | rpc | but it's not |
| 12:33.14 | rpc | well there are a few dhcp daemons |
| 12:33.29 | rpc | i also know about probs with one of them, did you try others? |
| 12:34.16 | troubled | well, in theory the one i used should have been able to specify which device i wanted, but it just glitched and didnt grab a new ip. probably mac related or something, who knows |
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| 12:34.37 | troubled | was ages ago, ill have to play around some time and see what its like these days |
| 12:35.01 | troubled | curious though, why you trying to bridge? almost seems like its not what you want |
| 12:35.07 | sep | rpc, what are you talking about ? just configure /etc/interfaces properly and it handles everything itself |
| 12:35.19 | sep | rpc, i have done it remotely a few times and it "just works" (TM) |
| 12:36.03 | sep | rpc, but not with regards to virtual hosts tho |
| 12:36.25 | Bert- | hi |
| 12:36.26 | troubled | rpc: i mean, if your brdige computer actually in between 2 diff networks that need to comminucate? or you trying to do something like vmware bridge? |
| 12:36.44 | Bert- | please does someone knows what is that (in ssh log) : no info_req_seen ? |
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| 12:37.08 | yolkaplexus | hello |
| 12:37.30 | yolkaplexus | anyone knows why iptables doesnt load on a 2.6.(19|20) |
| 12:37.42 | quintin | yolkaplexus: are you root? |
| 12:37.46 | yolkaplexus | yup |
| 12:37.54 | quintin | yolkaplexus: Ok, I give up |
| 12:38.03 | yolkaplexus | iptables 1.3.6 |
| 12:38.23 | yolkaplexus | i got this msg : iptables v1.3.6: can't initialize iptables table `filter': iptables who? (do you need to insmod?) |
| 12:38.27 | quintin | Where is the results of smartctl -t short /dev/sda stored at ? it says it is backgrounding the thest ... |
| 12:38.43 | LightKnight | yolkaplexus, error messages? Load appropriate kernel modules? (did you compile them at all?) |
| 12:39.03 | yolkaplexus | well i dont know the name seems to have changed |
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| 12:39.22 | yolkaplexus | the modules are stored in /lib/modules/2.6.20/kernel/net/netfilter/x_* |
| 12:39.32 | yolkaplexus | (used to be ipt_*) |
| 12:40.01 | yolkaplexus | do you really mean ALL of them ? |
| 12:40.16 | LightKnight | yolkaplexus, try modprobe-ing what you have. |
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| 12:43.04 | dr1v3r | i have just setup an ext3 fs and now my home dir is now /home/home/user how can i revert this back so that it is /home/user without deleting the fs? |
| 12:43.33 | LightKnight | what's the relevant fstab line? |
| 12:43.37 | troubled | dr1v3r: *snicker* |
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| 12:44.17 | troubled | dr1v3r: kinda new to basic fs administration huh? thats gotta suck :( |
| 12:44.55 | yolkaplexus | LightKnight: you might be right I missed some modules ^^ |
| 12:44.56 | dr1v3r | i am new to the full damn this haha, but gotta start somewhere |
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| 12:45.07 | quintin | dr1v3r: look at /etc/fstab maybe ? |
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| 12:45.30 | dr1v3r | when i type cat /etc/fstab it hsows this as my new fs LABEL=/ /home ext3 suid,dev,usrquota,exec 0 0 |
| 12:45.46 | vorsprung | I've just upgraded a server from woody to sarge and then to etch |
| 12:45.54 | dr1v3r | i know if i remove the fs then it goes back to normal...i think |
| 12:46.29 | vorsprung | I stopped at sarge and upgraded the kernel to 2.6 |
| 12:46.44 | vorsprung | now I'm in etch aptitude is confused about the kernel |
| 12:46.58 | vorsprung | it seems to want to upgrade it again to the same version |
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| 12:47.28 | vorsprung | how do I tell aptitude to not do this kernel upgrade? |
| 12:47.53 | yolkaplexus | vorsprung: press "=" |
| 12:49.14 | LightKnight | or ":" |
| 12:49.24 | LightKnight | uhm, no, better "=". |
| 12:49.35 | BetaCookies | Hey |
| 12:49.59 | dr1v3r | any ideas guys? |
| 12:50.21 | BetaCookies | I'm having trouble getting my NTFS partition mounted. It shows up in Computer in GNOME, but it is unable to mount the partition.. |
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| 12:50.31 | vorsprung | yolkaplexus, "aptitude install =kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7" does not work |
| 12:50.48 | yolkaplexus | vorsprung: Oo |
| 12:50.49 | vorsprung | yolkaplexus, it says "E: Badly formed pattern" |
| 12:50.57 | LightKnight | no, the "=" in the interface, not in the command line |
| 12:51.12 | vorsprung | what interface? |
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| 12:51.41 | LightKnight | just type "aptitude" and enter a totally new world :) |
| 12:52.03 | vorsprung | LightKnight, uugh |
| 12:52.43 | vorsprung | LightKnight, I hate curses interfaces |
| 12:52.46 | BetaCookies | I'm using Debian Etch and I'm having trouble getting my NTFS partition mounted. It shows up in Computer in GNOME, but it is unable to mount the partition.. |
| 12:52.50 | LightKnight | BetaCookies, filesystem not compiled in the kernel? |
| 12:52.56 | yolkaplexus | if you use aptitude just like apt-get no point in using aptiture |
| 12:52.57 | vorsprung | LightKnight, this is just like dselect |
| 12:53.09 | BetaCookies | LightKnight I don't know XD :S |
| 12:53.14 | yolkaplexus | no this better than dselect |
| 12:53.27 | LightKnight | vorsprung, Actually, I think it's a bit better than dselect, but maybe it's just me :) |
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| 12:59.32 | vorsprung | LightKnight, it seems to be unwedged now, thanks for your help |
| 12:59.43 | LightKnight | vorsprung, yw :) |
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| 13:10.40 | yolka_ | yahoo (tm) |
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| 13:11.37 | yolka_ | LightKnight: iptables is loaded, I feel as if my debian is wearing a condom |
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| 13:12.46 | doublehp | is there a way to install mplayer without installing X ? ( apt-get install mplayer => The following NEW packages will be installed: xfree86-common ) |
| 13:13.11 | yolka_ | using fb / |
| 13:13.13 | yolka_ | ? |
| 13:13.21 | doublehp | using console ! |
| 13:13.50 | doublehp | headless machine ... |
| 13:13.50 | doublehp | controled by infra red; ni video card; only sound card |
| 13:14.54 | yolka_ | doublehp: i got no idead about your question but viewing a movie with mplayer (ascii mode) is very ugly |
| 13:15.05 | yolka_ | just sharing experience ^^ |
| 13:15.12 | doublehp | I do NOT want video ! |
| 13:15.17 | doublehp | nor movie |
| 13:15.44 | doublehp | mplayer is just the best mp3 client to listen to internet radios ! |
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| 13:15.59 | doublehp | and easy to control with Lirc |
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| 13:18.32 | doublehp | yolkaplexus: also depends if you use libcaca or aalib :D |
| 13:19.02 | doublehp | but libcaca on FB 1600x2000 is "not so bad" :D |
| 13:20.48 | karmatronic | what would be the 10 must-have tools under linux ? |
| 13:20.57 | karmatronic | screen, ssh |
| 13:21.09 | LightKnight | netcat, ncftp :P |
| 13:21.10 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Shalom, omry ! Ma kore? Ani Emmanuel Chanel mi-Yapan. Ani Yapani. |
| 13:21.10 | karmatronic | netcat |
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| 13:21.21 | karmatronic | bash,python |
| 13:21.32 | hark | doublehp: equivs maybe? |
| 13:21.36 | LightKnight | badblocks, fsck |
| 13:21.42 | etchjster | mdadm |
| 13:21.54 | karmatronic | vlc |
| 13:22.17 | LightKnight | mutt :P |
| 13:22.48 | karmatronic | nmap |
| 13:22.49 | etchjster | grep is kjinda a tool |
| 13:22.55 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 13:22.56 | hark | ls! |
| 13:23.00 | karmatronic | awk/grep/sed |
| 13:23.10 | doublehp | karmatronic: openvt screen vim beep tcc ssh gpm dd/cat irssi/gaim OOo FF/TB/mutt/lynx |
| 13:23.28 | karmatronic | yeah i almost forgot vim ! |
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| 13:23.46 | doublehp | karmatronic: *YOU* forgot /vim/ ???? |
| 13:24.11 | doublehp | put netcat in the bag |
| 13:24.14 | karmatronic | yeah and i m editing a file at the moment with vim :) |
| 13:24.31 | karmatronic | i dont like gaim |
| 13:24.41 | karmatronic | sucks ith jabber |
| 13:24.45 | doublehp | then, take irssi/centericq :D |
| 13:24.46 | Wolfcastle | hello |
| 13:24.48 | karmatronic | sucks with jabber |
| 13:24.56 | Wolfcastle | where is the .asoundrc file located in debian? |
| 13:25.02 | karmatronic | yeah irssi is cool |
| 13:25.07 | doublehp | karmatronic: gaim=app/tool; Jabber/MSN/IRC=proto |
| 13:25.30 | doublehp | Wolfcastle: has been deprecated recently; see /etc... |
| 13:25.40 | etchjster | do any other distros have apt-get? |
| 13:25.49 | karmatronic | doublehp: well let s say i prefer psi |
| 13:25.52 | doublehp | etchjster: Ubuntu/Knoppix |
| 13:25.56 | karmatronic | doublehp: as a psi client |
| 13:26.10 | karmatronic | doublehp: as a jabber client |
| 13:26.14 | Wolfcastle | doublehp: ok thanx |
| 13:26.27 | etchjster | is knoppix deb branch? |
| 13:26.58 | doublehp | Wolfcastle: and many other Deb dased (SElinux ? there should be a SEL/Deb distro ... forgot the name ) |
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| 13:27.33 | etchjster | i want to try pardus |
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| 13:27.41 | etchjster | it sounds ok |
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| 13:27.52 | doublehp | DSL should use apt |
| 13:28.17 | kapowaz | hi there - how can I use dpkg (or whatever) to reinstall a package, as in - remove existing configs etc. and install it as if it were new? |
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| 13:28.41 | doublehp | etchjster: Knoppix is somehow concurrent to Debian; using seperate mirors, fed with African money, mor recent packages, different maints ... |
| 13:28.57 | doublehp | kapowaz: man dpkg |
| 13:29.30 | etchjster | --purge |
| 13:29.32 | etchjster | :P |
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| 13:30.13 | kapowaz | doublehp: does it tell me how to do it there? because I don't think it does. |
| 13:30.42 | vlt | Hello. (How) can I let an nfs mount follow a symlink that's on the nfs server? Example: "server:/share/symlink -> /home/vlt/" I want to access the server's /home/vlt, not that of the client (even if it exists). Is that possible? |
| 13:31.15 | kapowaz | every time I join a linux-related IRC channel I tell myself it'll be different, I won't be just told to RTFM. Every time. |
| 13:31.18 | kapowaz | and every time I'm disappointed. |
| 13:31.27 | doublehp | vlt: for file, it should work; for dirs, from memory, I could never do it; man exports |
| 13:31.53 | karmatronic | kapowaz: what s your problem,buddie ? |
| 13:32.17 | doublehp | kapowaz: things have been written to be read; we are not to tell again and again 100000 times peaces of info you can find yourself with 10s googleing, or 60s manpages |
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| 13:32.30 | kapowaz | karmatronic: I'd like to reinstall a package - purge all existing config and install a clean set. |
| 13:32.50 | etchjster | dpkg --purge remove |
| 13:32.58 | karmatronic | kapowaz: apt-get remove --purge your_package ; apt-get install your_package |
| 13:33.03 | yolkaplexus | kapowaz: if it is a standard question then this might be the answer, however what s the problem ? |
| 13:33.03 | kapowaz | karmatronic: thanks |
| 13:33.17 | kapowaz | what about dependencies? |
| 13:33.25 | kapowaz | can I tell it to ignore the fact it'll break dependencies? |
| 13:33.29 | yolkaplexus | will be deleted |
| 13:33.42 | kapowaz | it's apache2.2, you see - it tries to reinstall apache (1.3) if I try to remove it |
| 13:33.47 | kapowaz | so I want a clean sweep reinstall |
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| 13:34.02 | karmatronic | kapowaz: maybe but trying to force anything within apt is not a good idea |
| 13:34.06 | quintin | kapowaz: RTFM |
| 13:34.07 | kapowaz | doublehp: I appreciate that you must get fed up of repeating the same old things over and over again, but appreciate this: telling me to go read stuff is not helpful. |
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| 13:34.13 | quintin | kapowaz: Are you saying RTFM is bad advice? |
| 13:34.15 | yolkaplexus | dpkg-reconfiure ? |
| 13:34.15 | karmatronic | at least i t s my opinion |
| 13:34.33 | kapowaz | I'm more interested in solutions than dogma |
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| 13:34.57 | kapowaz | if I want to become an expert in dpkg then reading the manual would be a useful exercise |
| 13:35.00 | quintin | kapowaz: Give me a specific example, please. RTFM is usually great advice. Even better is when you get told what part of the manual to read. |
| 13:35.15 | kapowaz | however it isn't written from a solutions perspective; generally you have to read and understand the whole before you can solve problems |
| 13:35.15 | quintin | kapowaz: Yea sometimes people are being assholes, but most of the time it is good-natured. |
| 13:35.39 | quintin | kapowaz: That's somewhat true, and the more you know about unix in general the more useful man pages become |
| 13:35.46 | yolkaplexus | kapowaz: you know there are chapter in a manual |
| 13:36.02 | doublehp | kapowaz: I always say "what" to read. |
| 13:36.19 | kapowaz | what, as in the man page for dpkg? how generous... |
| 13:36.22 | yolkaplexus | you should read at least once in order to understand and to get knowing how to read |
| 13:36.29 | kapowaz | I did actually read the man page before I came here. |
| 13:36.41 | kapowaz | but like I said, it's rather complicated and I've not fiddled with dpkg for much before |
| 13:36.49 | karmatronic | doublehp: i love beeing in #debian channel |
| 13:36.56 | karmatronic | doublehp: and help people |
| 13:37.05 | karmatronic | doublehp: or ask generic question |
| 13:37.10 | quintin | kapowaz: WHat is your question again? |
| 13:37.13 | kapowaz | karmatronic: believe it or not I thought your response was helpful |
| 13:37.25 | yolkaplexus | have you tried "/" in the man ? |
| 13:37.25 | karmatronic | kapowaz: thank you |
| 13:37.26 | doublehp | kapowaz: most often, I am stuck because i dont know if I shall use Google, forums, IRC, man, or info pages ... rarely, I stuck on 'which keyword to search for'; thats why, when I pretend to help, I say which page to read, or the URL. |
| 13:37.35 | kapowaz | okay, simply put, I have a hosed apache config and want to reinstall the original apache configuration (apache 2.2) |
| 13:37.47 | doublehp | kapowaz: I do the same on #gentoo |
| 13:37.49 | kapowaz | doublehp: sometimes concepts are hard to express as keywords |
| 13:38.09 | kapowaz | after all, a keyword that generates a lot of hits (like 'reinstall') can have a high noise:signal ratio |
| 13:38.18 | quintin | kapowaz: There is an option you can give to apt-get to install the config files. By default, it assumes configs are deleted because you want them deleted. You can get it to put back original conf file though |
| 13:38.26 | kapowaz | and I don't have time to sift through that all today; this is a meta-task |
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| 13:39.39 | kapowaz | quintin: I'll look for that, thanks |
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| 13:40.16 | doublehp | kapowaz: and some times I just shut up. |
| 13:40.18 | kapowaz | as a general comment though, I think if you spot somebody asking a question which can be obviously solved by reading simple documentation, it'd be better to say nothing |
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| 13:40.50 | kapowaz | ...than to say 'rtfm' |
| 13:41.01 | quintin | kapowaz: better to say nothing.. than to link to a URL or give man page to read? pfft. |
| 13:41.10 | kapowaz | after all, if the answer is that obvious, why not just say it? |
| 13:41.12 | etchjster | the gurus are like grumpy teachers |
| 13:41.18 | kapowaz | exactly |
| 13:41.23 | etchjster | i dont care as long as they teach me |
| 13:41.29 | etchjster | :P |
| 13:41.41 | karmatronic | gurus are not always grumpy |
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| 13:41.55 | etchjster | lol |
| 13:41.56 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 13:42.04 | etchjster | im so new to linux |
| 13:42.06 | kapowaz | quintin: what I mean is, if the amount of effort the person has to expend is so tiny, why not just give the answer? |
| 13:42.20 | quintin | kapowaz: Because by giving someone a link or directing them to a man page they can perhaps learn to help themselves? That is why don't just say what answer is |
| 13:42.22 | kapowaz | if the answer is complex, *don't* say rtfm, because that's no more help than nothing |
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| 13:42.28 | solemnwarning | Is it possible to have an X server running on my TV-out without interferring with the X server on my monitors? |
| 13:42.39 | kapowaz | quintin: I'd say learning to help yourselves is beyond the remit of a channel for debian |
| 13:42.50 | solemnwarning | If I startx a new server only one works at a time, even though they don't share any resources |
| 13:42.53 | kapowaz | and if the individual in question hasn't already learned that, then they don't deserve to be taught it here. |
| 13:42.59 | quintin | solemnwarning: Why not just use the tv as another display for your current x server? |
| 13:43.03 | yolkaplexus | kapowaz: you are making the assumption that one answer will be exhaustive |
| 13:43.24 | etchjster | i love this :) |
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| 13:43.26 | solemnwarning | Because I want the TV screen seperate from my monitors |
| 13:43.48 | etchjster | i have so many questions |
| 13:43.48 | kapowaz | yolkaplexus: I suppose, but in my case it is. |
| 13:44.25 | yolkaplexus | kapowaz: you are making another assumption that we understand your need |
| 13:44.36 | REyM | what do I need to do if kill -9 doesn;t kill a process? |
| 13:44.40 | REyM | (as root) |
| 13:44.44 | kapowaz | yolkaplexus: very true. |
| 13:44.47 | solemnwarning | REyM: pray |
| 13:45.02 | hadron | panic |
| 13:45.07 | REyM | that is NOT what I wanted to hear |
| 13:45.07 | karmatronic | kapowaz: basically the idea is that one has to search to learn |
| 13:45.10 | jelly-home | REyM: reboot |
| 13:45.15 | solemnwarning | If SIGKILL doesn't work it's because a syscall wont return |
| 13:45.18 | karmatronic | REyM: insist |
| 13:45.19 | REyM | what may cause this to happen? |
| 13:45.30 | solemnwarning | Either a kernel/driver bug or hardware failure |
| 13:45.30 | karmatronic | REyM: try as root |
| 13:45.39 | REyM | karmatronic tried that as root |
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| 13:45.47 | hadron | karmatronic: he did try as root |
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| 13:46.07 | karmatronic | REyM: try as superroot |
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| 13:46.13 | karmatronic | :) |
| 13:46.15 | REyM | karmatronic and that is? |
| 13:46.16 | jelly-home | REyM: a common case is a hung IO call. Like accessing a file from a dead remote nfs server. |
| 13:46.21 | karmatronic | REyM: a joke |
| 13:46.26 | REyM | oh, ok :P |
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| 13:46.45 | jelly-home | karmatronic: it has an uid of sqrt(-1) |
| 13:46.58 | karmatronic | jelly-home: yeah ! |
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| 13:47.08 | solemnwarning | Wierd |
| 13:47.08 | kapowaz | karmatronic: ah, but what if I didn't come here to learn? ;) |
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| 13:47.16 | solemnwarning | I though uid_t was unsigned :P |
| 13:47.25 | kapowaz | karmatronic: say, for instance, I came here because I have a problem and I want to find the quickest solution to that problem? |
| 13:47.32 | solemnwarning | 0-65535 ;) |
| 13:47.33 | kapowaz | because that's generally how people in industry work |
| 13:47.39 | kapowaz | problem? oh, find solution |
| 13:47.39 | karmatronic | kapowaz: yeah i agree with that |
| 13:47.46 | kapowaz | rather than problem? oh, read books all day |
| 13:47.50 | etchjster | im confused about sound stuff |
| 13:47.54 | kapowaz | unless you work for google |
| 13:47.58 | quintin | etchjster: confused.. how? |
| 13:48.01 | karmatronic | kapowaz: i agree with you |
| 13:48.02 | jelly-home | solemnwarning: you're thinking too small. In POSIX.42, uid_t is type complex. |
| 13:48.05 | solemnwarning | etchjster: Simple, sound is evil |
| 13:48.16 | solemnwarning | Unless you have a nice card with a decent hardware mixer chip |
| 13:48.30 | quintin | Software mixing is dumb |
| 13:48.34 | REyM | in dmesg it shows this: |
| 13:48.34 | REyM | Out of Memory: Kill process 29358 (convert) score 29075 and children. |
| 13:48.35 | REyM | Out of memory: Killed process 29358 (convert). |
| 13:48.36 | etchjster | theres aRts ,gstreamer,oss] |
| 13:48.45 | karmatronic | kapowaz: if you ask a precise question ,people will help |
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| 13:48.57 | etchjster | i tried to read about gstreamer |
| 13:49.03 | solemnwarning | Gasp! :O |
| 13:49.06 | etchjster | i didnt understand :( |
| 13:49.07 | kapowaz | karmatronic: it's at times like this that IRC can be an invaluable tool, but conversely also an infuriating one, as people here almost certainly have the solution, but don't always appear motivated to give it until you've proven you've exhausted all other possible solutions, which includes the reading books part |
| 13:49.11 | solemnwarning | abrotman left #Debian?! |
| 13:49.12 | jelly-home | REyM: sounds like you have not enough memory! :-) |
| 13:49.13 | quintin | REyM: Yes. When there is no free memory, the kernel will decide a process to kill to get memory. The alternative would be crashing, not cool. |
| 13:49.19 | abrotman | hi |
| 13:49.27 | karmatronic | hi there |
| 13:49.29 | solemnwarning | Thats.... unusual :P |
| 13:49.37 | abrotman | i do sleep |
| 13:49.39 | kapowaz | karmatronic: I thought my original question was pretty precise - and the first response was "kapowaz: man dpkg" |
| 13:49.41 | quintin | solemnwarning: I have some of those. My new PCs have Realtek audio on the mainboard |
| 13:49.42 | xand | abrotman: you do what?! |
| 13:49.44 | REyM | that may not cause the 'not kill' problem? |
| 13:50.07 | jelly-home | REyM: that may cause "everything is slow as crap" problem |
| 13:50.10 | kapowaz | anyway, seeing as I'm hungry, I'm going to cook some bacon. |
| 13:50.11 | solemnwarning | My old mobo had was nforce2 with a soundstorm hardware mixer |
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| 13:50.14 | kapowaz | thanks for the help so far |
| 13:50.14 | quintin | REyM: I don't think so. type 'free -m' how much free memory do you have? Does your system have any swap space? |
| 13:50.16 | Justin | kapowaz: weren't you in here the other day with the same issue? |
| 13:50.20 | quintin | jelly-home: heh |
| 13:50.27 | etchjster | bacon is terrible for you |
| 13:50.28 | karmatronic | kapowaz: well let s say basic reflex to an apparent simple question should be basic search engine research or man |
| 13:50.37 | Justin | kapowaz: and weren't you given the EXACT command to fix the problem? |
| 13:50.37 | karmatronic | kapowaz: and in the 3rd place , IRC |
| 13:50.38 | REyM | got some swap ofcourse |
| 13:50.40 | Ronin | etchjster: but it tastes sooooooo good |
| 13:50.51 | etchjster | yup |
| 13:51.00 | REyM | nah, I'll just reboot and hope for the best |
| 13:51.00 | karmatronic | kapowaz: that s what i was saying actually before |
| 13:51.12 | Ronin | and i wouldn't say bad, large amounts of anything are bad for you, except for beer of course |
| 13:51.36 | Ronin | solemnwarning: excellent :) |
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| 13:52.06 | troubled | Justin: mornin.... |
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| 13:53.20 | abrotman | astronaute: no .. etch hasn't been released yet |
| 13:53.31 | astronaute | abrotman =))) |
| 13:53.36 | etchjster | etch is beautiful |
| 13:53.37 | solemnwarning | The new release date is 2009 it seems |
| 13:53.40 | astronaute | no i have another problem this time with chrony |
| 13:53.41 | astronaute | =)) |
| 13:53.42 | troubled | abrotman! :) |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | troubled: hi |
| 13:53.59 | troubled | oi |
| 13:54.29 | etchjster | i cant install etch on this rig with out bios flash :( |
| 13:54.29 | troubled | etchjster: eww |
| 13:54.30 | astronaute | how to sync time , my server is showing september 2006, i run chronyc, then type password, and online |
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| 13:54.39 | quintin | Any recommendations for having an *extremely* light-weight GUI for server administration? Mainly just want multiple xterms and maybe a GUI file manager. |
| 13:54.41 | astronaute | is there a list somewhere of pools ? |
| 13:54.41 | etchjster | not even worth my time |
| 13:54.46 | solemnwarning | astronaute: ntpdate pool.ntp.org |
| 13:54.47 | charzero | quintin: twm |
| 13:54.49 | quintin | etchjster: well.. flash it |
| 13:54.55 | etchjster | man |
| 13:54.59 | quintin | charzero: that is what I am thinking.. |
| 13:55.01 | drako | quintin, xfce , fluxbox. |
| 13:55.03 | abrotman | astronaute: pool.ntp.org |
| 13:55.13 | astronaute | abrotman ok i test |
| 13:55.14 | charzero | quintin: But you might be better off just using screen |
| 13:55.19 | drako | quintin, ill go for xfce if is possible. |
| 13:55.30 | charzero | quintin: Then you do'nt need to install X on your server, which is usually a bad idea. |
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| 13:55.31 | etchjster | is sarge to etchj smooth? |
| 13:55.34 | quintin | charzero: with screen, there's no GUI file tool though.. |
| 13:55.37 | etchjster | lmao |
| 13:55.45 | etchjster | i got gloves on |
| 13:55.51 | charzero | quintin: why do you need one? (not rhetorical) |
| 13:55.55 | etchjster | 32f in here |
| 13:56.01 | quintin | What do I do after installing X to get it to not start at boot? |
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| 13:56.17 | drako | etchjster, where are you ? |
| 13:56.17 | astronaute | abrotman i already have it in my conf three times : server pool.ntp.org offline minpoll 8 |
| 13:56.21 | quintin | charzero: I don't need it, but it could be potentially useful. |
| 13:56.22 | etchjster | detroit |
| 13:56.27 | astronaute | abrotman is there something i forgot to do ? |
| 13:56.31 | quintin | charzero: just an idea, I may or may not do it on this box I'm building now |
| 13:56.35 | etchjster | no heat |
| 13:56.37 | abrotman | astronaute: is there an error ? |
| 13:56.46 | charzero | quintin: take a look at midnight commander (apt-get install mc) |
| 13:56.46 | quintin | etchjster: 22m, hot & horny |
| 13:56.50 | astronaute | when i run online it says OK |
| 13:56.57 | drako | quintin, put a K on the startup script on init 2 |
| 13:57.02 | quintin | charzero: can it browse smb net? |
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| 13:57.43 | charzero | quintin: I don't know. |
| 13:57.46 | caahoy | 我的桌é¢å®‰è£…æˆåŠŸåŽï¼Œæ²¡æœ‰çª—å£åˆ‡æ¢é¢æ¿ï¼Ÿæ˜¯å“ªä¸ªåŒ…没有安装？哪ä½ç”¨ä¸æ–‡æŒ‡ç‚¹ä¸€ä¸‹ï¼Ÿ |
| 13:57.48 | etchjster | huh? |
| 13:57.48 | h3sp4wn | quintin: maybe you want ratpoison if you have to have X |
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| 13:58.20 | astronaute | abrotman : http://pastebin.ca/342680 |
| 13:58.24 | astronaute | look its weird |
| 13:58.28 | asdx | hello. my sources.list is missing the main url for the repositories. can please someone give me that? |
| 13:58.40 | etchjster | can i go from xf86 to xorg |
| 13:58.50 | Eclipser | caahoy, too bad we only speak english |
| 13:58.58 | quintin | etchjster: 09:05 < etchjster> 32f in here |
| 13:59.02 | abrotman | astronaute: i odn't use chrony .. but that doesn't look that bad |
| 13:59.02 | etchjster | ok english rocks |
| 13:59.13 | quintin | asdx: what version ? |
| 13:59.13 | asdx | someone? please |
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| 13:59.21 | asdx | quintin: etch |
| 13:59.27 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 13:59.27 | dpkg | it has been said that debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 13:59.28 | astronaute | abrotman why then i have 22 21:30:31 CEST 2006 =)))) |
| 13:59.36 | etchjster | 32 degrees farenheit |
| 13:59.42 | caahoy | 我的桌é¢å®‰è£…æˆåŠŸåŽï¼Œæ²¡æœ‰çª—å£åˆ‡æ¢é¢æ¿ï¼Ÿæ˜¯å“ªä¸ªåŒ…没有安装？哪ä½ç”¨ä¸æ–‡æŒ‡ç‚¹ä¸€ä¸‹ï¼Ÿ |
| 13:59.43 | abrotman | astronaute: what time is it really? |
| 13:59.43 | etchjster | dork |
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| 13:59.49 | Ronin | yes we see you caahoy |
| 13:59.54 | asdx | abrotman: i'm using etch |
| 13:59.54 | quintin | asdx: deb http://security.debian.org/ etch/updates main |
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| 14:00.02 | quintin | asdx: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian etch main contrib |
| 14:00.04 | quintin | asdx: is mine |
| 14:00.09 | astronaute | abrotman is there any other easy way to keep my system time up to date and check for it every 30 mn or something like that ? |
| 14:00.15 | asdx | i want contrib and non-free etc |
| 14:00.25 | karmatronic | astronaute: ntp |
| 14:00.33 | astronaute | abrotman : real time is 15:00 in france |
| 14:00.40 | quintin | asdx: I don't use or need such things on servers, whihc is what I use debian for.. dunno |
| 14:01.01 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: åªæ˜¯è‹±è¯ |
| 14:01.05 | etchjster | ntp keeps time right?? |
| 14:01.10 | etchjster | lol |
| 14:01.12 | etchjster | nm |
| 14:01.13 | troubled | etchjster: .... |
| 14:01.21 | astronaute | eh chrony was suppose to do it too |
| 14:01.22 | astronaute | =) |
| 14:01.38 | troubled | etchjster: ntp problems huh? |
| 14:01.42 | etchjster | nope |
| 14:01.43 | astronaute | ok then ill try ntp |
| 14:01.45 | Roey | hi |
| 14:01.53 | etchjster | works good on my etch |
| 14:02.01 | etchjster | not instaloloed on this box |
| 14:02.12 | asdx | quintin: thanks for the help |
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| 14:02.39 | Roey | I noticed that my /var/cache/locate/ DBs are always like.. 20 bytes long. When I cat it, it just shows "LOCATE02Sorry." The updatedb process /runs/, it just isnt' writing a file. What gives?? |
| 14:02.52 | astronaute | etchjster cits installed what to do now please ? and it check time often ? |
| 14:02.52 | LightKnight | astronaute, if you need to just keep time updated, use ntpdate, not ntp :) |
| 14:03.06 | astronaute | LightKnight ok so i install it |
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| 14:03.12 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: ä½ è¯•è¿‡æ²¡æœ‰å®‰è£…å¦ä¸€ä¸ªwmå—？ |
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| 14:03.34 | astronaute | LightKnight its done and sync, does it check time often ? |
| 14:03.44 | LightKnight | astronaute, by default it runs at boot time; if you want it to run more often, use a crontab :) |
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| 14:03.48 | karmatronic | LightKnight: yeah that s what i meant |
| 14:03.51 | LightKnight | (or so I think it does) |
| 14:04.01 | astronaute | LightKnight its a server, no boot time |
| 14:04.14 | etchjster | dpkg -reconfigure ntp |
| 14:04.15 | LightKnight | astronaute, OK, so crontab :) |
| 14:04.21 | caahoy | å¥½çš„ï¼Œä½ ä»‹ç»ä¸ªåŒ…å§ï¼Ÿ |
| 14:04.27 | LightKnight | dpkg-reconfigure, no space intervening :) |
| 14:04.36 | etchjster | fire wall can block ntp?? |
| 14:04.44 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: xfce, gnome, fluxbox |
| 14:04.54 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: wmaker |
| 14:04.55 | troubled | etchjster: a firewall can block any network traffic |
| 14:05.00 | karmatronic | etchjster: yes |
| 14:05.02 | quintin | etchjster: yes |
| 14:05.13 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: i am usinig fluxbox |
| 14:05.16 | Roey | etchjster: maybe yes maybe no |
| 14:05.16 | LightKnight | astronaute, can't query, sorry... search a manpage for crontab, I'm not an expert either, but it's not so hard :) |
| 14:05.17 | caahoy | gnomeå·²ç»å®‰è£…了， |
| 14:05.22 | Roey | etchjster: depends on how it is configured ;) |
| 14:05.36 | karmatronic | etchjster: port 123 |
| 14:05.40 | caahoy | å°±GNOME里没有，看KDEé‡Œå°±æœ‰ï¼ |
| 14:05.44 | troubled | etchjster: unless your ntp uses some magical IC based telepathy to communicate with the outside world that is ;) |
| 14:05.46 | astronaute | eh =) can someone please tell me what to put in crontab to update my system time every 15mn ? |
| 14:05.50 | astronaute | with ntpdate |
| 14:05.55 | etchjster | ok |
| 14:05.56 | karmatronic | etchjster: udp |
| 14:05.59 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: starting with "startx" ? |
| 14:06.37 | caahoy | 我试试wmaker |
| 14:07.12 | troubled | astronaute: man crontab :p |
| 14:07.23 | karmatronic | astronaute: */15 * * * * ntpdate >>/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 14:07.32 | yolkaplexus | caahoy: fluxbox 最好用的 |
| 14:07.44 | astronaute | karmatronic thank you a lot |
| 14:08.03 | astronaute | troubled im not pro, so im afraid to mess something |
| 14:08.33 | karmatronic | astronaute: if the lineis not good ,crontab wont let you update the file |
| 14:08.35 | troubled | astronaute: you learn more by reading a manual then being spoon fed commands :p |
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| 14:09.26 | astronaute | troubled i understand mate, just its not my priority to be debian guru, just want working system so i can do my work =) |
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| 14:09.58 | etchjster | oooooo i want to be a guru so bad |
| 14:09.59 | troubled | astronaute: but then all the students with linux homework come here so we can do their work for them :) |
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| 14:10.08 | Eclipser | what's with the chinese/whatever |
| 14:10.15 | troubled | god knows how many A+'s ive earned ppl ;p |
| 14:10.21 | etchjster | lmao |
| 14:10.24 | CJari_ | hi, is this right channel to ask a pppd question? |
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| 14:10.35 | astronaute | =) im not student just web dev =) |
| 14:10.44 | Eclipser | poor astronaute |
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| 14:10.59 | troubled | CJari_: sure, but if you expect ppl here to fix it, you better be running debian or you'll get flammed |
| 14:11.13 | etchjster | heh |
| 14:11.16 | etchjster | debian rocks |
| 14:11.37 | troubled | astronaute: ya, i think every student ive helped has made up some good unverifiabl excuse like that ;) |
| 14:11.49 | astronaute | hehe |
| 14:12.14 | karmatronic | astronaute: you re not in the NASA? |
| 14:12.22 | abrotman | astronaute: i'd use ntpdate |
| 14:12.29 | karmatronic | astronaute: you re not in the NASA? |
| 14:12.40 | CJari_ | ok, well Im actually running xbuntu but I thought that since its debian based the same instructions would apply |
| 14:14.17 | troubled | CJari_: not always. if the bug/problem is being caused by something specific to buntu then we would just be wasted our time scratchin our heads tryin to figure out why a ssetup that looks "perfectly legit" just aint workin |
| 14:14.21 | CJari_ | the question is rather simple: first I have to say that I was able to connect from windows to linux using pppd but I don't know what changes should be made exactly in order to reverse the connection so that linux connects to windows instead |
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| 14:14.38 | astronaute | i am |
| 14:14.40 | CJari_ | troubled, ok |
| 14:14.48 | astronaute | actually im testing new technologies from mars |
| 14:14.50 | astronaute | hrhr |
| 14:14.58 | etchjster | sweet |
| 14:15.12 | etchjster | particle accelerators?? |
| 14:15.24 | etchjster | linux cant do that |
| 14:15.25 | etchjster | yet |
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| 14:15.52 | CJari_ | so Im wondering if you would have to use some other IP settings or what, only change I know to make was different command in the chat message |
| 14:15.53 | troubled | CJari_: try any good vpn howtos? they can usually explain the linux AND windows end of the setup |
| 14:16.13 | CJari_ | troubled, yeah I followed this: http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/Serial-Laplink-HOWTO.html#AEN116 |
| 14:16.22 | richard-blaine | hello, how to tell "apt-get upgrade package" to show to which versions the upgrade will be performed? |
| 14:16.27 | CJari_ | but got only the linux -> windows working, not the other way around' |
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| 14:17.50 | troubled | CJari_: not much into pppd's these days so I cant help much. but did you configure your pppd to access inc connections and have your secrets files and all that fun stuff? |
| 14:18.16 | richard-blaine | got it. |
| 14:18.18 | richard-blaine | sorry. |
| 14:19.18 | CJari_ | troubled, no because I actually skipped that part because I have allowed the client to connect to the windows server without password |
| 14:19.26 | CJari_ | because its serial |
| 14:19.46 | troubled | CJari_: oh, your usin a serial link, not ethernet? |
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| 14:20.01 | etchjster | cereal is good |
| 14:20.09 | etchjster | luck charms rulz] |
| 14:20.13 | CJari_ | yep, thats right :) forgot to mention at the first place |
| 14:21.09 | troubled | CJari_: well, still doesnt change much in way of me helpin hehe. are you trying to actually xfer files and create a true PPP link? or you just want to access the console from hyperterm in windows? |
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| 14:21.55 | troubled | CJari_: if you want an inc connection to esatblish ppp though, you will need to have the daemon liston on ttyS0 or whatever dev it is |
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| 14:22.32 | troubled | CJari_: its essentially the same as puttin an mgetty on dev ttys0, but instead you put the pppd on it to listen and accept the connection and send the ip info etc |
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| 14:23.44 | troubled | CJari_: keep in mind that you will have to set the port up for one or the other. you cant forexample have windows dial in to the linux box over serial then expect to simultaneously connect back out the same port to windows box |
| 14:23.52 | CJari_ | troubled, ok, well I got the pppd server working, but not the client |
| 14:24.04 | CJari_ | right |
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| 14:25.50 | troubled | CJari_: so which do you want linux to be? server or client? you gotta pick one :/ |
| 14:26.44 | troubled | (not that you couldnt script it to alternate mind you) |
| 14:27.04 | CJari_ | troubled , yep I want it to be client because I figured that's the only way to be able to use internet after it has connected to the windows box that has ethernet :) |
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| 14:27.58 | troubled | CJari_: i thought you already got it working as linux being the client? what was wrong with what you had? |
| 14:28.39 | troubled | CJari_: sounds like you just want windows to be able to access stuff once the ppp link is brought online rather than create a link to the linux box as a server |
| 14:29.10 | troubled | CJari_: like being able to ssh into linux box once linux starts the ppp to windows |
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| 14:30.43 | gmcinnes | hello gurus. could anyone explain, or give me a pointer as to how to add files to the initrd. I want to add a preseed file there. |
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| 14:31.26 | CJari_ | troubled, linux client wont work at all |
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| 14:31.56 | CJari_ | it just times out after asking for TCP (I think) configuration |
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| 14:32.15 | CJari_ | windows client did work, but not linux, you see I have both linux and windows installed |
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| 14:32.49 | troubled | CJari_: sorry, i thought you said linux -> windows worked and not reverse, couldnt figure out why you wanted reverse to work hehe |
| 14:33.47 | CJari_ | troubled, oops sorry about that |
| 14:33.50 | troubled | CJari_: all i can suggest is readin the vpn howto's. im pretty sure they give the settings you need for ms chap or whatever its called |
| 14:35.39 | troubled | CJari_: try google: windows linux vpn or something similar i guess |
| 14:35.48 | CJari_ | troubled, thanks for the tip that gives me some idea what to look from the man page! |
| 14:36.16 | rpc | does anyone know a performance of vserver in comparison to vbox one? which one works better? |
| 14:36.27 | troubled | gmcinnes: preseed file? isnt that used for automated installs? |
| 14:37.01 | gmcinnes | troubled: yes. apparently the most flexible way to use it is to put the preseed file inside your initrd |
| 14:37.05 | karmatronic | CJari_: you re doing ppp or pptp? |
| 14:37.37 | CJari_ | pppd... |
| 14:38.01 | CJari_ | I know d stands for daemon right |
| 14:38.06 | gmcinnes | troubled: so when your installer kernel boots it finds the preseed.cfg in the initrd and uses it automatically. There's no clue about how to modify your initrd in the docs tho, and from what I remember its a PITA |
| 14:38.10 | troubled | gmcinnes: just doesnt make sense since initrd file from an already installed system wouldnt need to be preseeded |
| 14:38.31 | troubled | gmcinnes: assuming you put that initrd on a boot cd though i could see it working |
| 14:38.42 | gmcinnes | troubled: yes, that's the idea. |
| 14:39.14 | infernix | how can I trim the last 14 bytes off of a 3MB file? e.g. its 3000014 bytes but I need it to be 3000000 exact. |
| 14:39.31 | infernix | dd if=infile of=outfile bs=1 is extremely slow :) |
| 14:39.54 | yolkaplexus | maybe split |
| 14:39.55 | valdyn | infernix: you can use a bs of 3000000 |
| 14:40.07 | troubled | gmcinnes: well, start by extracting the file somewhere so you can add to it and alter it to your needs. then you needs to setup a loopback file, mkfs it to match the fs type of the current initrd (cramfs for example) and then cp -xa the modified dir to the loopback fs and unmount it and gzip it back up. |
| 14:40.08 | infernix | and this is just an example, the actual files are varying size with no trivial blocksize |
| 14:40.26 | infernix | split works for binary files? |
| 14:40.38 | yolkaplexus | split -b |
| 14:40.43 | yolkaplexus | man split |
| 14:40.43 | troubled | infernix: dd shouldnt be that slow on a 3mb file :( |
| 14:40.52 | infernix | troubled: it's actually 4GB |
| 14:41.10 | valdyn | infernix: so use a larrge blocksize, i don't see the problem |
| 14:41.11 | troubled | infernix: ahhh sorry, you said 3mb :) |
| 14:41.17 | valdyn | infernix: though split is probably better anyway |
| 14:41.26 | gmcinnes | troubled: eesh. |
| 14:41.37 | yolkaplexus | 4G ? |
| 14:41.42 | yolkaplexus | waoo |
| 14:41.56 | troubled | infernix: probably best to just use a hex editor or something to just remove the last 14bytes rather than recopying it all from scratch minus the last 14 bytes |
| 14:42.13 | infernix | valdyn: yeah well, the file is 4503496065 bytes; part 1 has to be 2263813556 bytes and part b should be 2466064279 bytes, so it's not trivial to use a blocksize. i'll look at split. |
| 14:42.15 | yolkaplexus | never tried this with standard unix tools |
| 14:42.38 | troubled | gmcinnes: you expect it to be simple? muhaha |
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| 14:43.04 | gmcinnes | troubled: I have nightmares about the last time I touched an initrd. |
| 14:43.12 | troubled | gmcinnes: thats essentially what happens when scripts make initrd though. loopback is what your lookin at. man losetup |
| 14:43.38 | troubled | gmcinnes: tell you what, ill give you a start point, but your on your own to do the rest, ok? |
| 14:43.46 | gmcinnes | troubled: doesn't it involve all kinds of magic with yaird etc? |
| 14:43.56 | gmcinnes | troubled: it's ok man. I'll get through it :) |
| 14:44.36 | troubled | gmcinnes: cp /boot/some-initrd.gz /tmp; gunzip /tmp/some-initrd.gz; losetup /dev/loop0 /tmp/some-initrd; mount /dev/loop0 /mnt; ls /mnt |
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| 14:44.55 | solemnwarning | What version of x.org will be in etch? |
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| 14:46.14 | h3sp4wn | 7.1 |
| 14:46.20 | solemnwarning | thanks |
| 14:46.44 | solemnwarning | Pity the release got pushed back to 2009 :( |
| 14:47.12 | infernix | what release? |
| 14:47.19 | solemnwarning | etch |
| 14:47.20 | h3sp4wn | I am not bothered as long as it is done as well as humanly possible |
| 14:47.24 | infernix | you're kidding |
| 14:47.32 | troubled | i heard the release was pushed back so far that we had to upgrade to 64bit dates |
| 14:47.44 | Roey | LOL |
| 14:48.06 | Roey | so is it supposed to release every two years? |
| 14:48.10 | infernix | i thought we were frozen already, did we unfreeze? |
| 14:48.19 | Roey | thaw? |
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| 14:48.42 | solemnwarning | infernix: Debian is in the bughunting stage |
| 14:48.51 | solemnwarning | Should be finished sometime in 2009 |
| 14:48.55 | infernix | solemnwarning: doh, but that wont take till 2009 |
| 14:49.15 | solemnwarning | It wasn't supposed to take will jan 07 |
| 14:49.18 | solemnwarning | Or feb 07 |
| 14:49.23 | h3sp4wn | Roey: Woody -> Sarge took 3 years |
| 14:49.27 | Roey | well right |
| 14:49.29 | cydork | solemnwarning: help to solve those bugs! |
| 14:49.39 | Roey | and etch will go to 2, if released at the end of this year. |
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| 14:49.42 | cydork | solemnwarning: etch only has 107 bugs to go! :) |
| 14:49.52 | solemnwarning | wonderful |
| 14:49.56 | solemnwarning | Only 107 |
| 14:50.08 | Roey | after etch releases, does sarge officially lose support? |
| 14:50.16 | Roey | anyone here support, say, slink? |
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| 14:50.26 | LightKnight | no, it will last for some months after. |
| 14:50.31 | Roey | oik. |
| 14:50.31 | Roey | *ok |
| 14:50.35 | LightKnight | Don't remember how many, exactly. |
| 14:50.39 | cydork | Roey: it will last almost a year. |
| 14:50.45 | Roey | I'm sure that there are places somewhere running a Debian distro from '98 |
| 14:50.53 | solemnwarning | Once etch comes out I'm nuking the sarge install on my webserver and installing from scratch |
| 14:50.59 | Roey | heh |
| 14:51.08 | troubled | ill be curious after etch comes out to find out the number of discovered exploitable flaws that plagued sarge since it became stable |
| 14:51.24 | solemnwarning | I had to install python's SVN lib through backports, and backports has a habbit of messing up the dpkg db |
| 14:51.41 | infernix | i don't see why you would nuke an old install with debian, ever, as long as it's properly maintained |
| 14:51.43 | solemnwarning | troubled: security.debian.org |
| 14:51.52 | infernix | just keep stuff tidy and upgrade |
| 14:51.57 | solemnwarning | Can't |
| 14:52.03 | solemnwarning | You missed the part about backports |
| 14:52.16 | Thms | can i resize a partition under linux ? |
| 14:52.22 | etchjster | yes |
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| 14:53.25 | etchjster | i want to go from xf86 to x org |
| 14:53.37 | etchjster | i dont know how |
| 14:53.40 | solemnwarning | Yay for the xorg multi-seat code |
| 14:54.00 | solemnwarning | And yay for the stupid outdated one-vt-per-xserver crap being gone |
| 14:54.53 | etchjster | is xorg for etch oinly? |
| 14:55.00 | karmatronic | etchjster: no |
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| 14:55.11 | solemnwarning | You might be able to get it through backports, so long as you don't mind messing up apt |
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| 14:56.38 | infernix | solemnwarning: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | grep bpo > there's your backports packages; and if you backport yourself and give your packages proper versions, I still don't see why it'd be a problem |
| 14:57.09 | solemnwarning | I don't backport myself |
| 14:57.13 | solemnwarning | !backports |
| 14:57.13 | dpkg | well, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 14:57.23 | solemnwarning | I use the backports.org repo |
| 14:58.21 | solemnwarning | Hmm |
| 14:58.24 | infernix | yeah well upgrading from there to etch isnt really an issue in my experience |
| 14:59.13 | infernix | heh. have fun, and lots of coffee. |
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| 14:59.34 | solemnwarning | It took all night for gentoo to build xorg on my Duron850 |
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| 14:59.49 | solemnwarning | I guess it can't take long on an Athlon64 X2 4200+ |
| 15:00.08 | solemnwarning | make -j 3 ftw |
| 15:00.12 | naitram | confused once again, want to load tftpd as daemon on reboot, do I add it to the modules file? |
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| 15:00.58 | solemnwarning | daemon... started from modules??? |
| 15:01.02 | solemnwarning | * head explodes |
| 15:01.26 | naitram | solemnwarning: well, thats my question obviously, where do i add the command? |
| 15:01.51 | solemnwarning | Make an initscript for it in /etc/init.d then link it to /etc/rc*.d where needed |
| 15:01.57 | solemnwarning | Or stick it in cron |
| 15:02.12 | etchjster | why use sudo?? |
| 15:02.25 | solemnwarning | etchjster: Faster then su |
| 15:02.28 | etchjster | o |
| 15:02.39 | solemnwarning | Whats faster? |
| 15:02.59 | solemnwarning | su - root<enter>type password<enter>type command<enter>exit<enter> |
| 15:03.06 | solemnwarning | sudo command<enter> |
| 15:03.16 | etchjster | im just lame |
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| 15:08.35 | h3sp4wn | su - root -c 'command' no slower really |
| 15:09.07 | troubled | !start an efficiency war |
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| 15:09.58 | solemnwarning | h3sp4wn: sudo is faster |
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| 15:10.03 | solemnwarning | And only root can use su -c |
| 15:10.21 | solemnwarning | Or is that sh? |
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| 15:11.23 | troubled | solemnwarning: wasnt debian/pam setup to allow any member of the group "wheel" to su? |
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| 15:11.56 | solemnwarning | troubled: Not with the -c option |
| 15:12.20 | solemnwarning | You have to be root to do su -c |
| 15:12.40 | yolkaplexus | troubled: no it is freebsd |
| 15:12.40 | jetscreamer | what we have a wheel group now? |
| 15:12.41 | Justin | solemnwarning: eh? |
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| 15:13.56 | troubled | yolkaplexus: aside from bsd though. thought debian honoured non root su's (with password of course) if you belonged to wheel or su or something |
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| 15:14.16 | solemnwarning | Can su even be configured to give a single user su root access without a password? |
| 15:14.39 | solemnwarning | Without messing with a ton of pam configs |
| 15:14.56 | solemnwarning | In sudo you just ass NOPASSWD: in the users/groups line |
| 15:15.01 | Justin | solemnwarning: sudo |
| 15:15.18 | solemnwarning | I know, read up |
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| 15:15.40 | solemnwarning | We're having a su vs. sudo war, got board of vi vs. emacs and qwerty vs. dvorak :P |
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| 15:15.55 | jetscreamer | bored |
| 15:16.15 | rpc | don't you have linux vs ms board as well? :> |
| 15:16.31 | solemnwarning | btw, they both lost the editor war |
| 15:16.34 | solemnwarning | kate won |
| 15:16.36 | rpc | or better not, people could get killed too easily ;) |
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| 15:17.52 | rpc | ok... which virtualization software do you folks recommend for a production server? |
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| 15:17.58 | rpc | i'm trying to stick to one since last week |
| 15:18.01 | jetscreamer | vmware |
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| 15:18.24 | solemnwarning | rpc: Someone paying you to install it? |
| 15:18.27 | rpc | jetscreamer i forgot to say.. vmware is definetly not my choice |
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| 15:18.39 | rpc | solemnwarning yes, he pays for my time |
| 15:18.57 | solemnwarning | qemu inside linux, inside bochs inside linux, inside xen |
| 15:19.00 | solemnwarning | More time :P |
| 15:19.12 | rpc | he he |
| 15:19.17 | solemnwarning | Or maybe replace the Linux's with OS/2 |
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| 15:19.31 | h3sp4wn | vmware is too slow |
| 15:19.40 | rpc | agreed it's bloated and outdated |
| 15:19.42 | solemnwarning | Stupid english work laws |
| 15:19.57 | rpc | ok i'm about to choose vbox, xen or vserver - which one? |
| 15:19.57 | solemnwarning | Yeah! Microsoft virtual PC is the best! |
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| 15:20.15 | h3sp4wn | rpc: depends what its for |
| 15:20.24 | rpc | first of all it has to be stable as a rock |
| 15:20.43 | solemnwarning | If you want stable as a rock run a damm cluster, not a VM |
| 15:20.54 | rpc | solemnwarning i don't need such advices :) |
| 15:20.58 | solemnwarning | heh |
| 15:21.06 | rpc | if i had a choice i wouldn't ask about vms |
| 15:21.23 | solemnwarning | But setting up a cluster of 64 486's takes more time! |
| 15:21.42 | rpc | why not 256? |
| 15:21.47 | garotosopa | what you think? my box was crashing last week and I didn't know why. I tested everything I could but still no error message or log. it just freezes. tested some hardware and temperature still nothing. freezing. then I said ok and bought a new computer and installed from scratch. and now it freezes again. should I change myself? |
| 15:21.51 | rpc | there are tons of those at a local trash company :) |
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| 15:22.09 | rpc | h3sp4wn do you have your personal choice? would you like to tell me about it? |
| 15:22.24 | solemnwarning | garotosopa: Stop buying crappy boxes |
| 15:22.41 | rpc | garotosopa amd cpu? |
| 15:22.49 | garotosopa | rpc, yes |
| 15:22.54 | rpc | garotosopa :) |
| 15:23.03 | troubled | garotosopa: the new box 100% new? no parts from old box? |
| 15:23.12 | h3sp4wn | rpc: depends on the services but I would use either vserver or xen (or maybe virtuoso if it involved windows) I would never use vmware |
| 15:23.36 | rpc | h3sp4wn your advice is greatly appreciated |
| 15:23.56 | garotosopa | troubled, many parts from old box but the old box has been tested without them and kept crashing... actually I've just bought new psu, mobo and cpu |
| 15:24.11 | garotosopa | --which I couldn't test |
| 15:24.13 | rpc | h3sp4wn what do you mean about virtuoso btw, like if i wanted to run guest windows systems? |
| 15:24.52 | rpc | h3sp4wn vserver is quite tricky to setup from what i noticed, xen i don't know and vbox seems nice but it's not free on production servers, really hard choice |
| 15:24.56 | stoned | haha |
| 15:24.56 | h3sp4wn | rpc: Yep only for that reason (xen doesn't handle windows very wellat all) |
| 15:25.00 | stoned | virtuoso is a great name |
| 15:25.14 | rpc | h3sp4wn oh that's really important what you just said |
| 15:25.23 | rpc | so no xen for windose guests... hmm... |
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| 15:25.31 | jetscreamer | i hate the ubuntu like 'disable root' in the installer |
| 15:25.44 | gmcinnes | hi all. I hate to be a thicko, but could someone help me tweak a debian netboot disk? |
| 15:25.45 | rpc | lol stoned |
| 15:25.54 | troubled | garotosopa: ram possibly? that or really crappy power lines or bad electrical interference? *shrug* i would double check the hardware from the old setup again. unless you played with teh kernel and broke it :) |
| 15:26.00 | h3sp4wn | rpc: You can but its not too stable (and needs hardware vt support) |
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| 15:26.15 | rpc | h3sp4wn ok then xen is out probably as a few of them could be windose |
| 15:26.20 | stoned | I've been playing around with the Beryl cube all night |
| 15:26.27 | matrix_ | somebody know how configure pam_usb? |
| 15:26.30 | stoned | its pretty slick.. no slowdown at all, works fast. very fast |
| 15:26.33 | rpc | h3sp4wn but wait, does vserver work well with windows then? i thought it was linux-only |
| 15:26.33 | etchjster | whats the difference between apt-get update and dist-update? |
| 15:26.47 | stoned | update updates the package list |
| 15:26.52 | rpc | h3sp4wn and how about vbox? |
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| 15:27.00 | h3sp4wn | rpc: vserver doesn't support windows at all |
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| 15:27.05 | stoned | dist-upgrade uses that updated list to upgrade all packages to current versions |
| 15:27.15 | rpc | h3sp4wn right ok |
| 15:27.16 | h3sp4wn | rpc: Never used vbox |
| 15:27.28 | stoned | etchjster: /msg dpkg apt-howto |
| 15:27.32 | rpc | and can i have two different virt packages running at once? |
| 15:27.42 | rpc | one for linux and another for windose boxes? |
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| 15:27.49 | h3sp4wn | I wouldn't want to |
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| 15:27.54 | rpc | ok |
| 15:28.01 | garotosopa | troubled, I thought about electrical interference but there was another box exactly the same with a cheaper psu that was fine... I tested another ram and didn't touch the kernel... but nevermind... I can reboot. once an hour. ok. |
| 15:28.04 | h3sp4wn | You can have xen + vserver though (with the kernels in etch) |
| 15:28.17 | rpc | hmm it will run on etch in fact.. |
| 15:28.37 | rpc | but that combo can't run windose still... how about virtuoso + vserver? |
| 15:28.38 | etchjster | so in order to used the updated packages dist-=upgrade needs to be used |
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| 15:28.57 | stoned | etch |
| 15:28.58 | stoned | no |
| 15:29.09 | stoned | etchjster: apt-get update will update the packages list |
| 15:29.16 | stoned | apt-get dist-upgrade will upgrade them |
| 15:29.18 | rpc | you mean etch = bad or no etch for virtuoso + vserver? |
| 15:29.26 | stoned | not talking to you |
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| 15:29.32 | rpc | oh ok ;) |
| 15:29.33 | stoned | =) |
| 15:29.40 | rpc | how nice :p |
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| 15:30.05 | troubled | garotosopa: cheaper might not mean much these days. but its probably something other than power. you never know though. troubleshooting can be a pain. i would point at hardware though if it just locks up hard. next time it freeze, try use thhe sysrq keys and see if its the kernel thats lockin or the hardware? |
| 15:30.05 | stoned | etchjster: use apt-get update and apt-get upgrade don't dist-upgrade unless you have to |
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| 15:31.45 | garotosopa | troubled, alt + sysrq + K did nothing... I kept a root script running on the background and when my desktop froze I waited some minutes and after reboot I saw the root script had crashed too -- so it's not userland I guess |
| 15:32.22 | h3sp4wn | rpc: I have never had to deal with windows (only know enough about xen to know it doesn't handle windows well yet) |
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| 15:32.47 | rpc | h3sp4wn and which one would you choose: xen or vserver (linux-wise) |
| 15:32.49 | etchjster | i think i get it |
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| 15:33.38 | etchjster | im to new |
| 15:33.52 | troubled | garotosopa: well, im not sure how bad a pci card could lock a box, but i suspect it can do pretty much anything it wanted with DMA and such these days. try remove all the cards in the box cept video and test it again. theres gotta be something happening on a regular basis thats causin the freeze. maybe hd dma or something triggered by hourly crontab for example. |
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| 15:34.32 | mhiku | for binaries, its $PATH, what for libraries and includes? |
| 15:34.38 | etchjster | people used to have me send them screen shots in windows |
| 15:34.46 | etchjster | so they could use them and brag |
| 15:34.46 | h3sp4wn | rpc: It all depends on what you are doing and whether they need to be seperated |
| 15:34.51 | secureboot_ | is there a way, given a file, to see if it belongs to a package? not by name, but by something like sha or md5sum? |
| 15:35.09 | etchjster | im so lost in linux |
| 15:35.23 | rpc | h3sp4wn there will be 5-6 guests running on a host and each will get a dedicated ip |
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| 15:35.35 | troubled | etchjster: same here, and ive been usin it almost a decade :( |
| 15:35.50 | rpc | h3sp4wn i wonder about performance of whole thing in both xen and vserver env. - memory, cpu handling, etc. |
| 15:36.05 | etchjster | i went cold turky from windows |
| 15:36.13 | etchjster | window free 2months now |
| 15:36.32 | rpc | etchjster take it in small steps, if you want my advice - don't try to just switch |
| 15:36.34 | etchjster | like aa |
| 15:36.48 | troubled | etchjster: i would but then the few games i have become coasters :) |
| 15:36.49 | etchjster | o its done now |
| 15:36.51 | rpc | etchjster use both, and learn linux slowly but still have xp handy |
| 15:37.03 | rpc | use xp where you think xp is easier for you |
| 15:37.12 | rpc | but try to do the same in linux not forcing yourself |
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| 15:37.16 | etchjster | my sata raptors are now etch |
| 15:37.18 | etchjster | lmao |
| 15:37.18 | rpc | one day you will find xp useless... |
| 15:37.21 | garotosopa | troubled, I tested everything until I bought a new mother board. I have also disabled ACPI for last try... maybe I should sell everything and buy some beers... thanks for your support anyway ;) |
| 15:37.40 | etchjster | it was easy to set up |
| 15:37.46 | rpc | sure it was |
| 15:37.50 | etchjster | now using is a different story |
| 15:37.53 | rpc | it's not about setup |
| 15:38.10 | rpc | using it efficently that is, as using as is seems easy... |
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| 15:38.25 | etchjster | ium on this box 12hrs a day |
| 15:38.26 | rpc | there is too much to learn to master linux in 2 months |
| 15:38.36 | hatta | it's like othello |
| 15:38.41 | rpc | so you decide if you just want to be a user or a power user or an admin or what :) |
| 15:38.41 | hatta | a minute to learn, a lifetime to master |
| 15:38.50 | rpc | hatta true. true. |
| 15:38.54 | etchjster | i dont even have the faintest idea what is going on |
| 15:39.02 | etchjster | none |
| 15:39.05 | troubled | garotosopa: rofl, np. gl with it |
| 15:39.10 | hatta | etchjster, don't forget to bring a towel |
| 15:39.14 | rpc | etchjster all is there is the kernel and modules, really ;) |
| 15:39.43 | rpc | etchjster and all the rest makes it usable for human beings |
| 15:40.04 | rpc | work is still in progress though :) |
| 15:40.14 | jetscreamer | i want to buy myself a new computer for my daughter's birthday |
| 15:40.21 | jetscreamer | she can have my old one... |
| 15:40.22 | jetscreamer | :) |
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| 15:40.23 | rpc | lol jetscreamer |
| 15:40.29 | rpc | you nasty :p |
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| 15:41.16 | etchjster | better than taking hers |
| 15:41.21 | troubled | etchjster: well, stick with it i guess if you enjoy it. just dont espect any support from your isp if you have any problems. if they hear linux, the phone hangs up and 5 min later you cable modem stops workin and then they start blaming your OS as the cause for your network failure ;) |
| 15:41.39 | dkr | is there a way to automagically switch mirrors when one is too slow? (e.g. kernel.org when a new linux kernel is announced? :) |
| 15:42.01 | etchjster | lol |
| 15:42.04 | etchjster | great |
| 15:42.14 | jetscreamer | not really automagic but just have alt source commented out and move the comments |
| 15:42.23 | rpc | lol troubled |
| 15:42.26 | troubled | etchjster: its not funny, im serious. the admins watchin the wire traffic have a sick sense of humour ;) |
| 15:42.39 | etchjster | so what now? |
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| 15:42.46 | Ronin | etchjster: hey lets be honest though phone support for isps are horrible anyhow so youre usually better off not calling them anyhow |
| 15:42.50 | rpc | etchjster so enjoy it :) |
| 15:43.01 | etchjster | ive never called my isp |
| 15:43.03 | troubled | etchjster: new to linux? interested in goin further? memorize: http://www.tldp.org/ |
| 15:43.04 | jetscreamer | dkr: kernels from kernel.org aren't in sources though |
| 15:43.18 | rpc | troubled i wish them lots of fun watching my aes256 traffic :) can keep them happy for long years :) |
| 15:43.22 | dkr | troubled: my isp is bellsouth and surprisingly their linux support has grown quite a bit over the years. They have info about pppoe in their scripts and even have a couple support guys that use linux |
| 15:43.38 | etchjster | thanks |
| 15:44.16 | etchjster | so serving 56k internet is out of the question huh |
| 15:44.20 | troubled | rpc: thats when i would just hijack all your debian updates and recreate the md5's :) |
| 15:44.24 | rpc | etchjster shall you sing "love in the first degree" when booting up etch ;) |
| 15:44.36 | rpc | Bananarama song, just in case ;) |
| 15:44.55 | etchjster | when i saw the new kde i teared up |
| 15:44.55 | dkr | jetscreamer: I think you misunderstood. I am using mirrors.kernel.org's mirror of debian in my apt.sources. 2.6.20 was announced yesterday so the kernel.org servers are slow today. I was wondering if I could automatically choose a different mirror for debian updates when my primary configured mirror is slow or times out |
| 15:44.56 | rpc | "only you can set me free" lol |
| 15:45.09 | troubled | dkr: actually im surprised how much linux support the bell's gave their customers. probably since their backbone runs unix though |
| 15:45.09 | rpc | lol troubled |
| 15:45.18 | h3sp4wn | rpc: If one person is going to be managing all of the vm's then I would use vserver - if the users of each vm could not be trusted I would use xen |
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| 15:45.36 | etchjster | sound on etch is beautiful to |
| 15:45.39 | jetscreamer | dkr: ah. (i just change what is commented out in sources. not really all that quick, but quicker than having to type a new source) |
| 15:46.09 | rpc | h3sp4wn multi-user option... so xen? and why is that? better control over vms? |
| 15:46.19 | h3sp4wn | rpc: I have done stuff like redundant dns /dhcp / shell servers (for a lan) on 2 machines with vserver |
| 15:46.30 | rpc | mhm |
| 15:46.43 | h3sp4wn | rpc: the seperation with xen is alot better |
| 15:46.54 | rpc | so vserver is more for such stuff instead of for really fux0red users on vms |
| 15:47.07 | rpc | hm that i didn't know |
| 15:47.13 | troubled | rpc: honestly though, i think we need more of a trusted checksum setup. i mean whats the point of posting md5's and gpg keys to download from a web site if they can just be altered realtime during download. in the end your verifying a fake file. of course it would check out lol. need md5's posted on the front page of every newspaper on the planet. corruption would get easier to track then imho |
| 15:47.27 | rpc | h3sp4wn very important factor that i didn't consider before |
| 15:47.47 | h3sp4wn | rpc: vserver works more like jail in freebsd or solaris zones |
| 15:47.51 | rpc | lol troubled |
| 15:48.03 | rpc | h3sp4wn oh really, so kind of fake root |
| 15:48.09 | rpc | and that's it? |
| 15:48.20 | loxley_ | h3sp4wn: did you have a the filesystem synched on both machines ? |
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| 15:48.56 | rpc | smells like xen then... unless virtuoso has something special to offer |
| 15:49.03 | roby | After a power failure, I boot the box and it hangs at some file system recover prompt |
| 15:49.04 | rpc | besides handling winblose well |
| 15:49.11 | h3sp4wn | loxley_: No - they acted as independant machines |
| 15:49.28 | roby | how can i get it to recover automatically without prompting? |
| 15:49.40 | h3sp4wn | loxley_: In the same way you would have a primary and backup using multiple machines |
| 15:50.12 | rpc | etchjster you could always try this trick: setup a virtualisation software on your etch and have a windows xp machine inside to keep you company |
| 15:50.25 | rpc | etchjster i think it's a nice solution until you do stick to debian |
| 15:50.33 | loxley_ | h3sp4wn: hmm, we're working on something like two machines that is mirroring the filesystem between them and if one fails we could fastly bring it up on the other |
| 15:51.15 | etchjster | i tried to add a hd this morning with win 98 for bios flashing and the such but kernel panic |
| 15:51.25 | loxley_ | h3sp4wn: and then xen as base for the vms |
| 15:51.40 | etchjster | it to cold to work like that till i get home |
| 15:52.41 | loxley_ | h3sp4wn: but we kinda don't know what way to go, its pointing towards using iscsi though.. |
| 15:52.55 | h3sp4wn | loxley_: I was going to mention some type of san |
| 15:53.10 | loxley_ | h3sp4wn: yes |
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| 15:53.39 | etchjster | isnt that virtualo stuff wine?? |
| 15:53.58 | etchjster | i hate windows |
| 15:55.15 | etchjster | i dont want it in my linux box ill feel dirty |
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| 15:55.19 | etchjster | seperat hd |
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| 15:55.20 | cydork | ipw3945 is the suck!! |
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| 15:55.34 | etchjster | people just give me their windows stuff after it gets filled with viruses |
| 15:56.25 | rpc | h3sp4wn i think i will go for xen... unless i find vbox better (which is well possible) - thank you for all the great advices and suggestions |
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| 15:56.44 | loxley_ | etchjster: work at a computershop? |
| 15:56.51 | etchjster | no i wish |
| 15:56.58 | etchjster | i just see alot of people |
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| 15:58.48 | loxley_ | etchjster: i'm glad the company i work for dropped the "support" part that we to have to clients. fixing windows computers aint my cup of tea |
| 15:59.10 | etchjster | fixing windows is for the birds |
| 15:59.20 | Ronin | pays my bills |
| 15:59.31 | etchjster | i can fix it with a debian iso |
| 15:59.49 | etchjster | o it pays the bills |
| 15:59.53 | dkr | at my last job a co-worker had a printout of a picture of the kid from The Sixth Sense and a caption that read, "I see stupid people." |
| 15:59.54 | loxley_ | Ronin: that is true, but i rather do what an isp is supposed to do :) |
| 16:00.01 | etchjster | thank god for bill gates |
| 16:00.10 | etchjster | he keeps so many people working |
| 16:00.16 | Ronin | loxley_: raise my prices, cut services and cut my bandwidth? ;) |
| 16:00.31 | loxley_ | Ronin: one of those :) |
| 16:00.43 | dkr | Ronin: don't forget blocking your access to the niternet via certain ports |
| 16:01.43 | loxley_ | dkr: that we don't do |
| 16:02.00 | dkr | I have to use freenodes alternate port because my isp at work blocks 6661-6669 and refuse to admit it even with tcptraceroute evidence showing it is their router blocking it |
| 16:02.06 | Ronin | dkr: that too |
| 16:02.40 | etchjster | its not your isp |
| 16:02.41 | dkr | and bellsotuh blocks prt 25 at home, so we can't receive mail to our family domain |
| 16:02.46 | etchjster | its the government |
| 16:02.50 | dkr | lol |
| 16:02.54 | Ronin | heh |
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| 16:02.54 | delire | pyzor complains when i attempt to whitelist via a mutt macro that "(401, 'Unauthorized: user is unauthorized to request the operation')". i can report however just fine. anyone else having this problem? |
| 16:03.17 | Ronin | dkr: run it on a different port or use smarthosts |
| 16:03.28 | etchjster | spoofin |
| 16:03.57 | dkr | Ronin: you can't run mail ona different port, how else would the world know where to deliver it? and yes, obviously smarthosts for outgoing, but that doesn't let me receive mail |
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| 16:04.18 | troubled | dkr: ya, try prove the isp wrong. you cant :) |
| 16:04.31 | loxley_ | dkr: oh they're locking in ? :)) damn.. |
| 16:05.16 | troubled | dkr: honestly, i dont see why they do it that way. makes more sense to block outgoin spam. but of course, they wanna limit it, call it security and blame spam to lock the net down a little more every day |
| 16:05.17 | dkr | yeah, they blocked 25 outgoing for years, which made sense, since it stopped spamming zombies and we could use smarthosts, but they started blocking incoming port 25 last year, that's what nnoys me |
| 16:05.29 | troubled | ya, its bs |
| 16:05.41 | dkr | bellsouth == bs? makes sense. :) |
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| 16:06.24 | loxley_ | dkr: on the other hand, if a mail goes in and someone hasn't set up their mailserver properly it could probably relay it.. |
| 16:06.26 | troubled | dkr: honestly, there are probably some judges out there in the world that would order capital punishment if they had a clue, but when they talk to the admins, they get baffled by techno babble and just nod in confused acceptance |
| 16:07.47 | troubled | dkr: hell, im sure there are some lawyers out there that could argue that your video game is a "server" and thus against the TOS from your ISP and sue you and toss you in jail. technically its true, and thats how the law works...."technically" is enough |
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| 16:08.35 | Ronin | dkr: looked into something like no-ip.com alternative port service |
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| 16:09.33 | etchjster | gnu needs to start their own internet |
| 16:09.35 | solemnwarning | NTL allows all ports :) |
| 16:09.57 | solemnwarning | Certain retarded mailservers accepting mail from DHCP IP blocks is another story |
| 16:10.05 | solemnwarning | Like sf |
| 16:10.05 | dkr | Ronin: I resolved my problem by moving my family domain MX record to my employer's mail server (with permission) :) |
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| 16:10.28 | h3sp4wn | Its sensible to not accept mail from dhcp ip blocks |
| 16:10.43 | h3sp4wn | or mail servers without working reverse dns |
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| 16:10.54 | solemnwarning | I have working reverse DNS |
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| 16:11.15 | h3sp4wn | same both ways ? |
| 16:11.15 | troubled | solemnwarning: try bein on my isp. i had a commcerial package, but they had my ip in the residential/dhcp ip space. i had to fight for days to get my ip added to a white list. and god forbid i got a new ip.... |
| 16:11.30 | solemnwarning | My mail is a postfix system thats been up for 76 days, no spamming from it |
| 16:11.42 | Ronin | dkr: that works too :) |
| 16:11.54 | solemnwarning | But "no scren you, go buy a static IP or we wont accept your mail" |
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| 16:12.23 | yolkaplexus | IP are static ^^ |
| 16:12.34 | h3sp4wn | I think the blacklists was a great idea - much less spam since |
| 16:12.48 | Ronin | greylists, blacklists, etc. |
| 16:12.49 | solemnwarning | They would be ok IF YOU COULD GET YOURSELF REMOVED! |
| 16:13.20 | h3sp4wn | use a static ip then - no reason to run a mailserver on a dynamic ip at all |
| 16:13.24 | h3sp4wn | (other than being cheap) |
| 16:13.37 | solemnwarning | h3sp4wn: Other then my lack of such an address? |
| 16:13.47 | solemnwarning | We dont all live in datacenters moron |
| 16:14.01 | troubled | heh |
| 16:14.15 | giz | hi all anybody want to answer a fetchmail ssl question |
| 16:14.28 | dkr | !ask |
| 16:14.28 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:14.29 | Ronin | h3sp4wn: even static ip is no guarantee not to be on a rbl or blacklist |
| 16:14.48 | Ronin | i wouldn't trust my isp to even know what a static ip was |
| 16:14.56 | troubled | Ronin: true, but getting removed from a blacklist is more likely if you can prove your static |
| 16:15.01 | solemnwarning | I tried relaying via the NTL mailserver, it refused to relay |
| 16:15.12 | dkr | yeah, my abovementioned home server bellsouth blocks port 25 to is static |
| 16:15.18 | giz | i keep getting invalid ssl protocol specified, using default (sslv23) |
| 16:15.39 | h3sp4wn | get a vserver to run mail from is the easiest way and pretty inexpensive |
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| 16:15.51 | solemnwarning | As opposed to free |
| 16:16.05 | solemnwarning | And IMO more reliable |
| 16:16.38 | troubled | Ronin: lets face it, it all comes down to politics. The blacklist admin phones up your isp and says "ya, got this guy bitchin about blacklist", isp admin says "bah, fsck him, he a jerk etc.", blacklist admin "ok, ill give him a notice"....Dear customer, sorry but we are unable to help you out in this matter, please feel free to contact your isp. we consider the matter closed.... ;) |
| 16:17.02 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hey guys |
| 16:17.05 | Dark_Apostrophe | Any idea how to make KDE run a shell script on startup? |
| 16:17.12 | solemnwarning | The blacklist sites should be nuked |
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| 16:17.15 | solemnwarning | Literally |
| 16:17.18 | troubled | Ronin: thats about how 95% of all technical issues are solved these days :) |
| 16:17.30 | giz | but a link to the script in the ~/startup file to run when kde starts |
| 16:17.36 | SNow_ | hey, Ive got intel motherboard and a lan card gigabit The module for it is e1000 but when I do modprobe e1000 it gives a message like it loads, but still it does not appear, I use 2.6 kernel series. |
| 16:17.38 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: unless you are using a connection that is uncontested (which you would not be with a dynamic ip) then it is unfair on the people sharing your connection to run services on it |
| 16:17.42 | SNow_ | isnmod gives error. |
| 16:17.50 | solemnwarning | h3sp4wn: What? |
| 16:18.06 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: adsl / cable are all contested |
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| 16:18.10 | SNow_ | anybody had the same problem? |
| 16:18.12 | solemnwarning | Your point? |
| 16:18.19 | loxley_ | solemnwarning: nah, its good when you want to score shit with spamassassin etc. but the blacklist feature of the mail server could be discussed.. |
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| 16:18.22 | SNow_ | I've install smp and the simple series kernel |
| 16:18.24 | solemnwarning | I'm hardly running an SMTP relay, or anything heavilly used |
| 16:18.27 | SNow_ | still the problem appears |
| 16:18.52 | SNow_ | it gives message like everything is ok, the version of the module and the card |
| 16:18.59 | SNow_ | but the device does not appear |
| 16:19.19 | solemnwarning | Anyway, anyone else on this line will probably be a wintard with spyware taking more bandwidth then me so I don't give a shit |
| 16:19.22 | h3sp4wn | solemnwarning: I don't care - but stand by the opinion they are a good thing the blacklists |
| 16:19.38 | solemnwarning | Because you can afford a static IP |
| 16:20.18 | troubled | solemnwarning: a wintard? :) |
| 16:20.24 | loxley_ | solemnwarning: don't blame the blacklists, blame the fuckers who send viagra and that mumbojumbo |
| 16:20.36 | etchjster | wintard thats sweet |
| 16:20.39 | gustav3d | just FW chinas entire ip range. spam problem solved =) |
| 16:20.41 | petemc | or the people that respond to spam.. |
| 16:20.49 | MatBoy | I'm looking for a open Source Distribution project that can install a whole server (image it) in about 2 min.. it's a .org site |
| 16:20.50 | troubled | loxley_: prolly the same ppl that get paid to run the blacklists ;) |
| 16:20.53 | solemnwarning | The blacklists are retarded, they block loads of non-spam |
| 16:20.56 | loxley_ | troubled: haha |
| 16:20.57 | Ronin | gustav3d: and the american and canadian ones too? |
| 16:20.58 | troubled | loxley_: i think its called job security |
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| 16:21.10 | SNow_ | anyone?? |
| 16:21.16 | gustav3d | well youre right that alot of spam does come from us also. |
| 16:21.44 | gustav3d | but i know that some ISP in europe do for a fact FW all ip ranges they learn to be in china |
| 16:22.22 | solemnwarning | NTL only blacklists thier entire IP range with no way of being whitelisted |
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| 16:22.50 | solemnwarning | And then configures thier SMTP to refuse to relay for you |
| 16:23.04 | petemc | eh? |
| 16:23.10 | loxley_ | solemnwarning: hmm? |
| 16:23.19 | gustav3d | well thats the only way to handle it since major ISPs in china helps to protect the identity of the spamers and does exactly nothing to help when complained at |
| 16:23.41 | petemc | host -t txt ntlworld.com |
| 16:24.08 | solemnwarning | petemc: What does that record mean? |
| 16:24.15 | petemc | solemnwarning: spf |
| 16:24.47 | solemnwarning | And that is? |
| 16:24.54 | petemc | !spf |
| 16:24.55 | dpkg | [spf] the Sender Policy Framework (formerly Sender Permitted From), at http://spf.pobox.com/ |
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| 16:26.07 | solemnwarning | brb dinner |
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| 16:28.34 | etchjster | dinner at 11:30 |
| 16:28.36 | etchjster | huh |
| 16:28.50 | troubled | gustav3d: if you had issues with another country, would you give a damn if your people cause other countries to pull their hair out? :) |
| 16:29.36 | etchjster | the usa is gonna be bald |
| 16:29.51 | etchjster | were pullin out all our hair |
| 16:29.53 | troubled | etchjster: "bald" eagle? nouf said hehe |
| 16:29.57 | gmcinnes | hi all: does anyone know why qemu would be complaining about a lack of /dev/fb0 (other than the obvious?) |
| 16:30.22 | etchjster | yup |
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| 16:30.45 | gmcinnes | I mean is /dev/fb0 not around anymore? MAKEDEV /dev/fb0 doesn't give any output. |
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| 16:33.35 | etchjster | that is somthing else i was confused about was frame buffer |
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| 16:33.53 | greg | ×ÓÅÍ ÐÒÉ×ÅÔ |
| 16:34.13 | greg | ÉÚÍÅÎÉÌ reiserfs ÒÁÚÄÅÌ (ÕÍÅÎØÛÉÌ), ËÁË ÔÅÐÅÒØ ÂÌÏËÉ ÐÅÒÅÐÉÓÁÔØ? |
| 16:34.23 | greg | ÓÔÁÌ 31GB, ËÁË ÐÏÓÞÉÔÁÔØ ÔÏÞÎÏÅ ÚÎÁÞÅÎÉÅ blocks? |
| 16:34.24 | rahul | AIEEE |
| 16:34.33 | zinx | !ru |
| 16:34.33 | dpkg | i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 16:35.16 | Keith_S | Guys I have two new SATA drives here for a server... What is this best way to check them for faults / bad blocks? |
| 16:35.35 | rahul | uh |
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| 16:35.40 | Keith_S | by using the "badblocks" tool? or there a better way? |
| 16:35.43 | rahul | why would they have faults? |
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| 16:35.55 | rahul | just install smartmontools and it'll let you know when there are issues |
| 16:36.03 | troubled | rahul: :) |
| 16:36.04 | zinx | Keith: smartctl and a recent kernel/etc |
| 16:36.18 | Roey | what a far cry from my days with CHKDSK.EXE |
| 16:36.22 | Roey | *chkdisk |
| 16:36.33 | rahul | !penixstrike troubled |
| 16:36.33 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:36.52 | Roey | LOL |
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| 16:37.55 | troubled | :) |
| 16:38.12 | troubled | rahul: dont make me gamp your sorry a$$ |
| 16:38.19 | Lisa_Nowak | hi |
| 16:38.28 | rahul | !! |
| 16:38.28 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 16:38.33 | Lisa_Nowak | my name is Lisa |
| 16:38.42 | Roey | mein Magen ist lustig |
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| 16:38.50 | Roey | oh, the joy of dpkg |
| 16:38.55 | Roey | Lisa_Nowak: heya |
| 16:39.11 | rahul | my name is Rahul |
| 16:39.18 | Roey | my name is Roey |
| 16:39.18 | rahul | and I'm not an alcoholic, damn it. |
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| 16:40.32 | rahul | ... but ... they're empty... |
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| 16:40.39 | fraudster | anyone here use durpal? |
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| 16:40.46 | karmatronic | :) |
| 16:40.54 | rahul | heh |
| 16:40.58 | rahul | well, then. drink up! |
| 16:40.59 | Roey | karmatronic: nice nick, btw |
| 16:41.10 | karmatronic | Roey: thank you |
| 16:41.21 | fraudster | I feel like I am talking to myself. |
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| 16:41.43 | karmatronic | fraudster: doesnt know well drupal |
| 16:41.53 | yolkaplexus | gmail : good or back ? |
| 16:41.54 | rahul | oy I need water |
| 16:41.59 | rahul | speaking of empty bottles. |
| 16:42.05 | yolkaplexus | gmail : good or bad ? |
| 16:42.09 | rahul | I finished the wild turkey again :\ |
| 16:42.10 | fraudster | karmatronic, what you use then? |
| 16:42.13 | Roey | an indian saying oy? that's new to me :) |
| 16:42.23 | Roey | rahul: I assumed Indian owing to your name |
| 16:42.24 | rahul | indians say oy all the time |
| 16:42.27 | Roey | heh |
| 16:42.28 | karmatronic | fraudster: dont have a blog :) |
| 16:42.29 | Roey | cool |
| 16:42.41 | fraudster | karmatronic, why is that? |
| 16:42.41 | Roey | rahul: you speak Hindi again, right? and radically so |
| 16:42.53 | Roey | rahul: no Tamily in your part |
| 16:42.56 | Roey | *Tamil in |
| 16:42.56 | fraudster | karmatronic, durpal makes more than just blogs. |
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| 16:43.29 | karmatronic | fraudster: oh yeah my mistake |
| 16:43.40 | karmatronic | fraudster: i told you i didnt kno drupal :) |
| 16:44.05 | fraudster | karmatronic, more like general knowledge |
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| 16:44.33 | rahul | Roey: Hindi and Punjabi |
| 16:44.39 | rahul | sometimes I can't tell :P |
| 16:45.15 | fraudster | so whats the deal with debian, perswade me to use it. |
| 16:45.18 | troubled | rahul: your indian? |
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| 16:45.23 | rahul | !penixstrike troubled |
| 16:45.24 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking troubled to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 16:45.26 | karmatronic | fraudster: what s the problem by the way ? |
| 16:45.31 | rahul | silly troubled |
| 16:45.38 | fraudster | karmatronic, with? |
| 16:45.51 | rahul | hmm, my digestive system is ready for its morning rituals... |
| 16:45.51 | troubled | rahul: sorry, black text, white screen. just assumed you were white all these years :p |
| 16:45.55 | rahul | haha |
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| 16:46.01 | rahul | wierdo. |
| 16:46.05 | rahul | bbiaf |
| 16:46.16 | karmatronic | fraudster: euh...drupal... |
| 16:46.27 | fraudster | karmatronic, no problem. |
| 16:46.30 | maYer`fDw | how would i realize traffic shaping with my debian machine ( is my router right now ) should i use IPcop or something ? |
| 16:46.38 | fraudster | karmatronic, just wanted to see how many others in here use it |
| 16:46.56 | troubled | rahul: i mean its so obvious that you have an accent when you speak in irc :) |
| 16:48.16 | troubled | maYer`fDw: i hear shorewall is very basic tc control available to it. but you may be better with custom scrpipts hooked into your interface's up command |
| 16:48.16 | RvGaTe | Is it safe to upgrade a 2.6.18 kernel to 2.6.20... any risks with it? |
| 16:48.21 | troubled | s/is/has/ |
| 16:48.41 | karmatronic | maYer`fDw: ipcop is a distro |
| 16:48.53 | troubled | RvGaTe: always risks with upgrades :) read the changelog and dicide i guess :/ |
| 16:49.11 | maYer`fDw | karmatronic i know...but i can run it like a VM...iam just asking, what could be the best way |
| 16:49.12 | troubled | karmatronic: ipcop is a whole distro? damn, i was way off thinkin it was a debian package hehe |
| 16:49.17 | karmatronic | RvGaTe: as long as you keep a copy of your current kernel |
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| 16:49.43 | RvGaTe | karmatronic, you mean the kernel image right ? |
| 16:49.47 | maYer`fDw | troubled: i dont really need "great functionality" all i need is to shape the traffic of 2 IPs, up and down, thats all |
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| 16:50.49 | karmatronic | RvGaTe: kernel image and the modules |
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| 16:50.56 | karmatronic | RvGaTe: plus the config file |
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| 16:51.05 | troubled | maYer`fDw: well, i think might be able to handle at least outgoing, but policing incoming might not be possible with shorewall. and i know that tc scripts arent exactly for the faint of heart |
| 16:51.22 | valdyn | maYer`fDw: install wondershaper, fix the script to your liking |
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| 16:51.26 | loxley_ | maYer`fDw: shaper |
| 16:51.37 | RvGaTe | karmatronic, what's the best way to create a backup of those? i mean, where can i find all the files i need... |
| 16:52.03 | dkr | user limit reached at official #debian :) |
| 16:52.09 | maYer`fDw | valdyn : i just read, wondershaper is not that good...bit buggy or smth |
| 16:52.16 | maYer`fDw | loxley_ : shaper ? |
| 16:52.30 | troubled | dkr: try again. limit just bumbed |
| 16:52.36 | troubled | bumped* |
| 16:52.38 | loxley_ | maYer`fDw: i think that is what w're using at woork.. |
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| 16:52.47 | karmatronic | maYer`fDw: tcng? |
| 16:52.48 | h3sp4wn | maYer`fDw: I would use the openwrt ones and fix them to work with debian |
| 16:52.56 | rahul | hmm, I've been picking up a lot of brooklynese in my accent lately |
| 16:53.02 | valdyn | maYer`fDw: nonsense, its just a script that sets up your linux kernel firewall. You don't get a different shaping software unless you use a different kernel |
| 16:53.17 | loxley_ | crap i write like i'm drunk and it's just tuesday |
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| 16:53.33 | maYer`fDw | h3sp4wn openwrt is a firmware router or ? |
| 16:53.43 | dkr | troubled: no joy, but I already wasted too much time on irc today. time to get coding. :) |
| 16:53.48 | h3sp4wn | maYer`fDw: It has the best qos scripts I have seen yet |
| 16:53.51 | Keith_S | anyone use DELL SC1425 1U servers ? |
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| 16:54.04 | Keith_S | the Hard drives are mounted upside down in them :s |
| 16:54.07 | troubled | dkr: gl :) |
| 16:54.25 | troubled | Keith_S: zomg! whats the world coming to! |
| 16:55.06 | Keith_S | troubled: ... |
| 16:55.31 | Quintin | !win Quintin |
| 16:55.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, Quintin! You have won a lifetime supply of spam! |
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| 16:56.22 | maYer`fDw | h3sp4wn : hmm ok, how difficutl will it be. i think iam something about a ( realistic ) medium knowlage server admin runnning several servers. I have iptables experience and stuff. do you think its handble ? |
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| 16:56.49 | rahul | I am drunk and it's tuesday |
| 16:56.55 | rahul | or am I hung over? |
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| 16:57.41 | Ronin | yes |
| 16:57.49 | rahul | yeah, probably |
| 16:57.59 | rahul | ooo I bought chocolate last night |
| 16:58.08 | rahul | drunk shopping is fun |
| 16:58.09 | versuchsanstalt | i have a problem trying to start kde from kdm. xsession-errors tells me: Xsession: X session started for user ... // Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server // Xlib: No protocol specified . I can start gnome using startx though. are there other files to look at besides xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log? |
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| 16:59.04 | versuchsanstalt | it used to work yesterday(tm) and i didnt update anything except smb-stuff |
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| 17:00.05 | Sneg | does anyone know the keycode for the windows key or where i could look it up? i'd like to use it as a dead key for a german-dvorak layout. |
| 17:00.16 | Sneg | seeing how i never use the key for its intended purpose anyways |
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| 17:00.28 | PinBalWyz | Oy! |
| 17:00.49 | chafe | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:01.04 | Sneg | chafe, is dma turned on? |
| 17:01.07 | PinBalWyz | Anybody know of a way to make the 'cp' command shutup and overwrite existing files without prompting? |
| 17:01.15 | chafe | Sneg i dont know |
| 17:01.16 | Sneg | PinBalWyz, cp -f |
| 17:01.19 | PinBalWyz | -f doesn't work for that. |
| 17:01.27 | rahul | ... |
| 17:01.32 | PinBalWyz | I tried it. Still got prompted. |
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| 17:01.33 | loes | hi |
| 17:01.46 | rahul | PinBalWyz: \cp |
| 17:01.53 | Sneg | chafe, type in "hdparm -d /dev/hda" into a terminal as root |
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| 17:01.58 | hatta | PinBalWyz, man cp |
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| 17:02.02 | PinBalWyz | \cp? Huh |
| 17:02.08 | rahul | PinBalWyz: you're passing -i. |
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| 17:02.15 | rahul | bypass your alias that does that |
| 17:02.16 | Sneg | chafe, it will tell you if dma is turned on for your first drive. although you might need to install hdparm first |
| 17:02.21 | loes | hozw to see how much memory i have in terminal |
| 17:02.26 | PinBalWyz | yes, I've looked all through the cp man page. Nothing there offers a clue about this issue. |
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| 17:02.45 | rahul | loes: what kind of memory? cat /proc/meminfo, maybe |
| 17:02.49 | PinBalWyz | rahul, you may be onto something about de-aliasing. thanx. |
| 17:02.57 | thelostbutler | PinBalWyz: did you check for aliasing ? |
| 17:03.04 | chafe | hdparm not found |
| 17:03.09 | rahul | chafe: so install it |
| 17:03.13 | chafe | yea |
| 17:03.13 | loes | just my ram |
| 17:03.16 | loes | ram |
| 17:03.26 | chafe | could not find package |
| 17:03.30 | chafe | are you sure it is hdparm |
| 17:03.35 | PinBalWyz | nope, I'll have to look into the aliasing. This is a knoppix CD that is doing this, so it could well have aliased 'cp' |
| 17:03.47 | rahul | 6.9-1(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/apt/lists/debian.lcs.mit.edu_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages)(/var/lib/dpkg/status) |
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| 17:03.49 | PinBalWyz | wanting to protect people from hurting themselves and all. |
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| 17:03.56 | chafe | oop foud it |
| 17:04.00 | rahul | how can you not find hdparm? it's everywhere. in main. |
| 17:04.30 | chafe | yes using dma is on |
| 17:04.34 | rahul | save the bathwater, throw out the baby. |
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| 17:05.00 | troubled | rahul: he said knoppix :p |
| 17:05.14 | rahul | heh |
| 17:05.20 | rahul | I say penix. |
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| 17:05.52 | troubled | rahul: you say penix i say knoppix, its all good :) |
| 17:05.53 | Sneg | chafe, do you have heavy disk access? thats what usually makes my music skip, or sometimes when i dont have enough swap space |
| 17:05.56 | DigitalCamo | is there a good debian live filesystem cd ? |
| 17:05.57 | rahul | heh |
| 17:06.16 | rahul | music on scsi drives never skips for me |
| 17:06.22 | troubled | chafe: inscrese buffer for playback help ya out? |
| 17:06.33 | Maximiliano | hi...some help needed... ive upgrade from woody to sarge and then to etch... changing repos and doing apt-get update / apt-get upgrade / apt-get dist-upgrade ... from to woody to sarge no problem... from sarge to etch dont update libc6... and apt-get install -f dont fix it... what can i do? |
| 17:06.59 | rahul | IDE skips occasionally under heavy disk access when I'm using a good FS, and skips regularly under heavy disk access when it's on FAT |
| 17:07.14 | chafe | its not only playing music from the disk, its streaming music as well (though i know that plays from the disk) |
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| 17:07.35 | rahul | skips when streaming? millions of things can cause that... |
| 17:07.37 | chafe | and its not just one application or one audio format |
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| 17:07.52 | chafe | not only streaming |
| 17:07.53 | h3sp4wn | music never skips for me on ide - (but I use a kernel with preempt) |
| 17:08.06 | rahul | ah, right, that was before preempt |
| 17:08.07 | troubled | chafe: so your saying your audio playback in general is very sensitive (too sensitive?) to cpu usage? |
| 17:08.14 | chafe | yes |
| 17:08.19 | rahul | chafe: what audio hardware? |
| 17:08.38 | chafe | a cheap laptop sound card, intel8x0 or something |
| 17:08.44 | chafe | i am using asio |
| 17:08.44 | rahul | there you go. |
| 17:08.45 | chafe | yes |
| 17:08.50 | chafe | welp, i have no problems in windows |
| 17:08.54 | chafe | this is why i raise this question |
| 17:08.59 | thelostbutler | Maximilian: can you please paste the error message in rafb.net/paste and give the link here |
| 17:09.05 | rahul | mine warbles when I move the mouse or scroll in windows. |
| 17:09.17 | rahul | embedded sound chips are shit. |
| 17:09.21 | troubled | !warble |
| 17:09.31 | chafe | though in windows my computer will freeze and crash before my music stops playing |
| 17:09.32 | rahul | they warble farble fashes? |
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| 17:10.14 | troubled | !warbles is <rahul> mine warbles when I move the mouse or scroll in windows. |
| 17:10.15 | dpkg | okay, troubled |
| 17:10.16 | rahul | \u201cThey\u2019ve garble warble farble!\u201d shouted Slartibartfast in his thin tremulous voice. |
| 17:10.22 | rahul | frigging unicode. |
| 17:10.31 | rahul | !penixstrike unicode |
| 17:10.31 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking unicode to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 17:10.50 | Maximiliano | thelostbutler, im not in the same machine. i will must to retype the error and then paste... will take a little time |
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| 17:10.56 | CharminTheMoose | quick question: when debian gets upgraded to 3.1r4, do the rest of the packages in the repos do? |
| 17:11.03 | CharminTheMoose | bit of a noob question... |
| 17:11.04 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 17:11.08 | rahul | silly camel |
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| 17:11.13 | rahul | what does that even mean? |
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| 17:11.28 | rahul | which debian gets upgraded to 3.1r4? the one on your box? |
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| 17:11.42 | octoberdan | Gah! Just realized I'm running kernel 2.4 |
| 17:11.55 | rahul | run for the hills! |
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| 17:12.02 | troubled | chafe: the reason you have a crash and still hear sound is most likely cause the sound card keeps playing the buffer back. it dont give a damn what the rest of the system is doing, locked up or not |
| 17:12.04 | CharminTheMoose | rahul: apologies, when debian did go from 3.1r3 to 3.1r4 did the packages in the stable repos get upgraded? |
| 17:12.12 | octoberdan | Shouldn't dist-upgrade and upgrade updated that? |
| 17:12.19 | rahul | CharminTheCamel: yes |
| 17:12.19 | chafe | yea i wish this happened in linux |
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| 17:12.30 | CharminTheMoose | heh, thanks guys |
| 17:12.32 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 17:12.42 | chafe | i can tolerate crashing and freezing so much more when i am hearing pretty music in the background :3 |
| 17:12.44 | troubled | chafe: as for the whole "but it works fine in windows" complaint, tell the company who made the chip to give the driver programmer a better manual :) |
| 17:12.50 | rahul | no problem, my antler-wearing camel fried |
| 17:12.56 | rahul | friend, even |
| 17:13.04 | rahul | mmm fried camel. |
| 17:13.04 | CharminTheMoose | pfft rahul. j/k |
| 17:13.06 | chafe | okay |
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| 17:15.01 | chafe | antler wearing camel |
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| 17:15.37 | helo | so the whole iceweasel thing pretty much means nothing to the end user, because aliases keep 'firefox' working as usual? |
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| 17:15.49 | octoberdan | Is there a way to auto-select which kernel image to use? I don't want to mess this up. I'm guessing kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386... running an amd athlon xp... |
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| 17:15.57 | norc | helo: not really, they changed a few things |
| 17:16.03 | norc | helo: but nothing for you to worry about |
| 17:16.06 | norc | generally at least |
| 17:16.21 | norc | helo: the problem were the licenses |
| 17:16.32 | octoberdan | Anyone compare iceweasel to swiftfox yet? |
| 17:16.36 | helo | right... not 'end user' stuff at all |
| 17:16.56 | helo | i just remember the stink about user confusion when i first read about the whole thing |
| 17:17.38 | christopherl | i'm using ftp in the command line to send files to my ftp server. How do i send folder's? |
| 17:17.50 | norc | helo: well, licenses can mean a lot in these times |
| 17:18.31 | rahul | they didn't mean a lot before? |
| 17:18.48 | rahul | but they only mean something if you want to violate them :) |
| 17:18.56 | octoberdan | christopherl: ewww, ftp. Do you have ssh access? You could use scp |
| 17:18.57 | norc | yeah |
| 17:19.18 | octoberdan | christopherl: Then you wont be sending passwords accross the internet in plaintext... |
| 17:19.37 | norc | rahul: but including non-free artwork and plugins was in violation of some points in the licenses |
| 17:19.51 | rahul | "the" licenses? |
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| 17:21.06 | troubled | octoberdan: you make it sounds like ssh is faster than ftp :/ |
| 17:21.22 | christopherl | octoberdan: no, I don't have that |
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| 17:22.42 | troubled | christopherl: dont think the default ftp client can do that for some reason :/ i take it you have a whole cluster fsck of files and dir's you wanna copy? |
| 17:22.54 | rahul | "They've garble warble fashes!" cried Slartibartfast, still waving at them. |
| 17:23.01 | octoberdan | what about xcopy? |
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| 17:23.11 | PinBalWyz | would alias allow you to shoot yourself in the foot by assigning null to a command? ('') |
| 17:23.28 | octoberdan | oh, and there's using wget if you are trying to retreive a folder... I think wget has ftp capabilities |
| 17:23.30 | christopherl | troubled: something like that |
| 17:23.33 | troubled | octoberdan: xcopy from windows? |
| 17:23.34 | octoberdan | Actually, I know it does, I've just forgoten |
| 17:23.34 | rahul | doing nothing would be shooting yourself in the foot? |
| 17:23.35 | PinBalWyz | i.e. would the command appear to disappear? |
| 17:23.37 | x_link | enouf: There? |
| 17:23.40 | helo | scp isn't much slower than ftp... |
| 17:23.45 | helo | if any, depending on your link |
| 17:24.02 | octoberdan | troubled: I'm scraping my memory here |
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| 17:24.45 | troubled | octoberdan: dont scrap it too hard, you'll seg fault |
| 17:24.52 | octoberdan | Alright rebooting into new kernel.. |
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| 17:24.57 | octoberdan | hehe |
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| 17:25.11 | rahul | it's your seg's fault! |
| 17:25.13 | octoberdan | Oh wait, "Your /etc/kernel-img.conf needs to be updated." hmm... |
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| 17:25.36 | troubled | christopherl: well, both boxes linux? you have access to both? lots of options if you can run commands on them. whats your setup like? |
| 17:25.46 | yolkaplexus | anyone is using ext4dev ? |
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| 17:26.10 | octoberdan | It wants me to call /usr/sbin/update-grub instead of /sbin/.. |
| 17:26.40 | rahul | "wants you to"? |
| 17:27.00 | christopherl | troubled: It's not my own ftp server, I'll think I must ask them, what system they are using. |
| 17:27.08 | x_link | Anybody here using Debian? |
| 17:27.11 | x_link | errr |
| 17:27.14 | x_link | Anybody here using Beryl? |
| 17:27.30 | dkr | !ask |
| 17:27.30 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:27.48 | troubled | christopherl: ok, well if you dont have access to the server then your best bet is to deal with it at the client by getting a better ftp client. whats the client? windows? linux? |
| 17:27.48 | PinBalWyz | A nice way to prevent newbies from hurting themselves, I'm thinking, e.g. alias rm='' |
| 17:28.24 | x_link | I need a good and up-to-date Beryl repo for Debian... |
| 17:28.28 | yolkaplexus | touch rm; rm rm * |
| 17:28.39 | christopherl | troubled: I don't know |
| 17:28.41 | x_link | I found one that works good, but it seems to be messed up now. |
| 17:29.31 | PinBalWyz | Isn't Beryl a graphics oriented OS? |
| 17:29.39 | PinBalWyz | !beryl |
| 17:29.39 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages for etch and sid are here: http://vally8.free.fr/coinprog/beryl/ |
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| 17:30.03 | troubled | christopherl: umm, the client would be the machine your using *ahem* |
| 17:30.23 | rahul | x_link: if you can't compile it yourself, why are you using unfinished software? |
| 17:30.54 | CharminTheMoose | PinBalWyz: it's not an OS |
| 17:30.57 | CharminTheMoose | it's a window manager |
| 17:30.58 | christopherl | troubled: aha , I'm on linux |
| 17:31.19 | x_link | rahul: I haven't used it for that long... |
| 17:31.24 | PinBalWyz | !alias |
| 17:31.25 | dpkg | Bash alias? Do 'help alias' and read 'man bash', also see your ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc for examples of aliases. |
| 17:31.28 | rahul | x_link: what does that even mean? |
| 17:31.42 | x_link | rahul: And I like it.. I just need another repo. |
| 17:31.45 | x_link | That's it... |
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| 17:31.52 | troubled | christopherl: ok there we go. were makin progress now! Ok, it a debian box that you have root access to? |
| 17:31.53 | rahul | x_link: compile it yourself... |
| 17:31.57 | x_link | What that means? that means that I haven't been using beryl that long. |
| 17:32.02 | x_link | rahul: I don't know how to compile. |
| 17:32.07 | x_link | rahul: Linux newbie =/ |
| 17:32.10 | christopherl | troubled:yeah |
| 17:32.10 | rahul | x_link: so? why does that stop you from compiling? |
| 17:32.19 | rahul | x_link: if you're a newbie, why are you using unfinished stuff? |
| 17:32.24 | x_link | baaah |
| 17:32.27 | x_link | Just forget about it. |
| 17:32.31 | troubled | christopherl: apt-get install wget |
| 17:32.45 | x_link | rahul: Forget that I even asked. |
| 17:32.45 | rahul | x_link: do newbies in physics do string theory? |
| 17:32.55 | christopherl | troubled: I got that |
| 17:32.57 | sussudio | %lose x_link |
| 17:32.58 | badgers | x_link: You Lose. |
| 17:33.01 | x_link | rahul: ? |
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| 17:33.10 | x_link | I didn't lose anything at all |
| 17:33.17 | sussudio | :-| |
| 17:33.18 | octoberdan | Gah, now X wont start grrr |
| 17:33.30 | octoberdan | failed to initialize core devices... hmm... |
| 17:33.31 | x_link | Some people just think that they are something speciall cause they know a little bit. |
| 17:33.37 | x_link | I don't care at all..... |
| 17:33.37 | rahul | x_link: exactly. |
| 17:33.41 | x_link | I will learn finaly. |
| 17:33.43 | rahul | stop having that attitude |
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| 17:33.51 | octoberdan | I'm guessing it no longer detects my usb mouse. |
| 17:33.59 | x_link | rahul: I'm the one with the attitude+ |
| 17:34.01 | x_link | ? |
| 17:34.02 | rahul | octoberdan: don't guess, read the log |
| 17:34.05 | troubled | christopherl: ok, and wget didnt grab the files you needed after you read the manual and gave the proper syntax to it? :) |
| 17:34.10 | rahul | it should say quite clearly if that's the problem. |
| 17:34.14 | octoberdan | rahul: Where's the log? |
| 17:34.16 | x_link | I asked a question.. you just keep asking me why I use something I can't compile. |
| 17:34.19 | RvGaTe | can i safely remove all the contents of /usr/src ? i prepared a previous kernel in there, and using it atm, just want to make sure i can clear the directory now... |
| 17:34.24 | rahul | octoberdan: /var/log/X*.log |
| 17:34.24 | x_link | rahul: Just forget about this question.... |
| 17:34.27 | x_link | Thanks anyway |
| 17:34.29 | octoberdan | rahul: Thanks |
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| 17:34.32 | hatta | yes RvGaTe |
| 17:34.44 | hatta | once a program is installed you can delete the source directory |
| 17:35.00 | rahul | x_link: you're the one who thinks it's your right to use stuff that isn't done yet, without knowing the first thing about how to fix problems with it |
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| 17:35.07 | rahul | x_link: you're probably using sid, too. |
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| 17:35.18 | RvGaTe | hatta, alright, just had to check, thx |
| 17:35.44 | octoberdan | rahul: I was right. "No core pointer registered" |
| 17:35.55 | karsten | w00t! kqemu GPLd! |
| 17:35.58 | octoberdan | rahul: Couldn't find it at /dev/input/mice |
| 17:36.04 | karsten | http://lwn.net/Articles/220807/ |
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| 17:36.14 | PinBalWyz | most src packages have a 'makepkg' script and a 'readme' file that helps even newbies compile it. The only problems I ran into were if a library wasn't up to date or there was a conflict in one of the variables--I found this often in slackware. |
| 17:36.23 | octoberdan | rahul: The only thing that's changed is updating my kernel from 2.4 to 2.6.8 |
| 17:36.24 | karsten | !qemu |
| 17:36.25 | dpkg | from memory, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 17:36.28 | x_link | rahul: I'm using Debian Etch, KDE 3.5 |
| 17:36.28 | rahul | octoberdan: "only"? |
| 17:36.33 | christopherl | troubled: what do are you talking about? |
| 17:36.46 | octoberdan | rahul: Yes, and all that entails... |
| 17:36.54 | rahul | octoberdan: yes, which is not "only" :) |
| 17:37.01 | karsten | dpkg: qemu is also the KQEMU accelerator is now released under GPL (previously proprietary). |
| 17:37.02 | dpkg | karsten: okay |
| 17:37.03 | troubled | christopherl: nm....what did you type to run wget? |
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| 17:37.12 | PinBalWyz | But if Debian doesn't have a compiled binary for you in the apt-get cache/database, then by all means try dpkpkg or compiling the src. Do read the 'readme' file though. |
| 17:37.31 | rahul | octoberdan: you need input layer support, with mouse support as well as usb support, with mouse support |
| 17:37.41 | octoberdan | rahul: How do I get that? |
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| 17:37.56 | rahul | octoberdan: character devices and usb devices, I believe |
| 17:37.57 | octoberdan | rahul: and thank you for the help, I appreciate it |
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| 17:38.18 | octoberdan | rahul: Something I can apt-get |
| 17:38.19 | octoberdan | ? |
| 17:38.21 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how can I convert a "data" file into plain text? |
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| 17:38.24 | rahul | octoberdan: no, it's part of the kernel |
| 17:38.34 | rahul | sanmarcos-trabaj: how would we know? |
| 17:38.36 | octoberdan | rahul: How do I get a version of the kernel that supports it? |
| 17:38.41 | dkr | sanmarcos-trabaj: strings |
| 17:39.06 | rahul | sanmarcos-trabaj: how can I build a building from this pile of stuff I have in a field? |
| 17:39.08 | octoberdan | rahul: Or add that support? |
| 17:39.14 | maddash | karsten: what's the big deal about kqemu? isn't it just some kde front-end? |
| 17:39.21 | PinBalWyz | sanmarc, that really depends on more than you've revealed in your question. |
| 17:39.22 | sanmarcos-trabaj | rahul, fuck off I got an answer |
| 17:39.23 | rahul | octoberdan: hrm, you're using the debian kernel? |
| 17:39.24 | sanmarcos-trabaj | dkr, thanks |
| 17:39.30 | octoberdan | rahul: Right |
| 17:39.34 | rahul | sanmarcos-trabaj: strings won't convert anything. |
| 17:39.34 | sanmarcos-trabaj | PinBalWyz, its a .vimrc file. ,that is getting interpreted as data |
| 17:39.36 | sanmarcos-trabaj | but is int |
| 17:39.39 | dkr | rahul: ask someone that knows how to do it |
| 17:39.41 | karsten | maddash: No. It's the kernel-module accelerator for qemu, a free software virtualization tool. |
| 17:39.47 | sanmarcos-trabaj | rahul, yes, it converted it. |
| 17:39.56 | rahul | sanmarcos-trabaj: no, it deleted stuff, basically. |
| 17:39.58 | christopherl | troubled: I'm going to contact the owners of the server and ask them if they have any secure way to upload files |
| 17:40.03 | PinBalWyz | e.g. if it were an xls file, converting to text (comma delimited) is as trivial as choosing the 'type' you want to save. But perhaps you meant something else? |
| 17:40.06 | maddash | karsten: so your "kemu" != kemu.sf.net? |
| 17:40.07 | karsten | maddash: Think virtualbox, vmware, xen, UML. qemu's user-space, real virtualization rather than emulation. |
| 17:40.09 | sanmarcos-trabaj | rahul, yes, I dont want data shit, thanks, and goodbye |
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| 17:40.16 | karmatronic | sanmarcos-trabaj: no , it just shows text part of your file |
| 17:40.17 | rahul | heh, what a moron |
| 17:40.18 | karsten | maddash: kQemu, not kemu. |
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| 17:40.37 | dkr | rahul: you can't take questions too literally, you have to guess what they want, nto what they ask for sometimes. :) |
| 17:40.39 | rahul | what does "interpreted as data" even mean? |
| 17:40.52 | rahul | dkr: well, I don't think he wanted to delete random parts of the file... |
| 17:40.54 | maddash | karsten: that's what i meant: http://kqemu.sourceforge.net/ |
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| 17:40.58 | troubled | christopherl: i thought you said you were trying to download a bunch of files from ftp? so your lookin to secure upload? |
| 17:41.01 | PinBalWyz | what program does a .vlmrc file go with? |
| 17:41.21 | rahul | it's a vimrc. get a better font, heh |
| 17:41.23 | maddash | karsten: that's not the kqemu you're excited about,? |
| 17:41.39 | tzbishop | How can I clear and remove all the DEB I have downloaded and installed but are still stored on cache? |
| 17:41.45 | christopherl | troubled: yes, that's right. |
| 17:41.48 | karsten | maddash: Nope. |
| 17:41.49 | rahul | apt-cache clean |
| 17:41.51 | eldowan | tzbishop: aptitude clean |
| 17:41.52 | maddash | tzbishop: sudo apt-get clean |
| 17:41.59 | rahul | erm |
| 17:42.01 | karmatronic | hi maddash |
| 17:42.01 | rahul | yeah |
| 17:42.03 | dkr | cool, 3 different correct answers |
| 17:42.04 | tzbishop | Thanks! |
| 17:42.05 | maddash | karsten: damn kde front-end |
| 17:42.05 | karsten | maddash: Stupid name as it collides with an established one for the same project. |
| 17:42.06 | octoberdan | rahul: Should I just boot into 2.4 and deal with it later? I don't have time for it at the moment if it's going to be a lengthy process |
| 17:42.13 | octoberdan | erhm 4.2 |
| 17:42.27 | maddash | karmatronic: hi |
| 17:42.34 | rahul | octoberdan: I dunno. I don't use distro kernels, so I don't know the ideosyncracies of them |
| 17:42.34 | karsten | maddash: People who gratuitiously attach 'k' to the front of otherwise perfectly serviceable words should be kshot. |
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| 17:42.53 | maddash | karsten: the kde front-end should switch to "kemu" |
| 17:42.54 | octoberdan | karsten: hehe |
| 17:43.01 | rahul | k-rad. |
| 17:43.06 | maddash | "karsten" |
| 17:43.10 | octoberdan | ktard... |
| 17:43.23 | PinBalWyz | kshot only in amerika. |
| 17:43.27 | mfrisch | I can't get a network connection through wine using seamonkey do I need to turn it on or something? |
| 17:43.30 | CharminTheMoose | hould i run smarctl on a mounted partition? |
| 17:43.31 | troubled | christopherl: well, ftp isnt gonna cut it then :( unless they server has some special implementation beyond standard for something like ssl, in which case the command line ftp wouldnt support it anyways. you need something like ssh for security but you wouldnt just be givin then in normal situations |
| 17:43.34 | CharminTheMoose | *should |
| 17:44.04 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Should is one question, "can I without causing irreperable harm"? Yeah, no kproblem. |
| 17:44.10 | christopherl | troubled: thanks for the info |
| 17:44.27 | maddash | karsten: gstop it! gswitch to gnome! |
| 17:44.31 | troubled | christopherl: is it possible with ssh though to map ports for anything to running software on the local machine though instead of giving shell access, but you still need to get your buddy to set it up on his end. hope you get it worked out |
| 17:44.46 | PinBalWyz | Hey! Anybody know why the #debian channel on irc.debian.org is full and can't be joined? |
| 17:44.58 | rahul | PinBalWyz: because it's full... heh |
| 17:45.18 | PinBalWyz | well what kinda bs is that? I thought the more the merrier? |
| 17:45.24 | maddash | PinBalWyz: prolly /. 'ed. |
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| 17:45.38 | PinBalWyz | maddash ? |
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| 17:45.52 | maddash | PinBalWyz: that was a gjoke. |
| 17:46.01 | rahul | not a kjoke? |
| 17:46.02 | CharminTheMoose | karsten: and by partition i mean entire disk. IE /dev/hda? |
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| 17:46.11 | rahul | you desktop-fascist! |
| 17:46.28 | warsten | maddash: wnever! wmaker wis wthe wone wtrue wdesktop! |
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| 17:46.56 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: smartctl / smartmontools applies to devices, not partitions. |
| 17:47.02 | nitro4ce | when i try to run a program (./***) i get: bash: ./bootstrap: /bin/sh^M: |
| 17:47.08 | xarsten | karsten: you're bloated, dude. |
| 17:47.15 | LOLZebra | yo |
| 17:47.22 | nitro4ce | when i try to run a program (./***) i get: bash: ./bootstrap: /bin/sh^M: bad interpreter |
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| 17:47.27 | LOLZebra | not sure |
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| 17:47.35 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: ... so yes. The tests (both short and long) can be run on devices w/ mounted partitions. Long test may affect other IO performance, that's the only downside. |
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| 17:47.43 | karsten | nitro4ce: check your shebang line. |
| 17:47.54 | nitro4ce | karsten: ? |
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| 17:48.00 | Justin | nitro4ce: quit using DOS :-P |
| 17:48.05 | karsten | nitro4ce: first line of the script. |
| 17:48.11 | karsten | nitro4ce: Usually: #!/bin/bash |
| 17:48.12 | PinBalWyz | DOS dies for yer sins. |
| 17:48.17 | RyanTMulligan | Does dl.sourceforge.net debian repositories not index anymore? Im trying to run apt-get update and with one in my sources.list and it's hanging |
| 17:48.21 | nitro4ce | Justin: im not uing DOS |
| 17:48.41 | CharminTheMoose | karsten: and i suppose a few other options have to done with unmounted disks on the device? |
| 17:48.45 | PinBalWyz | DOS was my 1st love years ago. |
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| 17:48.50 | nitro4ce | karsten: the line is #!/bin/sh |
| 17:48.52 | Justin | nitro4ce: the ^M in your file indicates otherwise |
| 17:48.52 | mfrisch | !mirrors |
| 17:48.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 17:48.53 | karsten | CharminTheMoose: Sorry? |
| 17:49.03 | PinBalWyz | before that, there was CP/M! *ugh* |
| 17:49.07 | karsten | nitro4ce: That too. Check for extra spaces. |
| 17:49.26 | nitro4ce | Justin: maybe the file i downloaded was edited in DOS? |
| 17:49.34 | nitro4ce | Justin: because i dont use DOS |
| 17:49.35 | PinBalWyz | and God (DOS) made a 16 bit OS and saw that it was good. |
| 17:49.40 | nitro4ce | Justin: and i hate it |
| 17:49.44 | Justin | !tell nitro4ce about dos2unix |
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| 17:50.25 | maddash | !dos2unix |
| 17:50.25 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
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| 17:50.58 | PinBalWyz | maddash, exactly. It's just a little matter of how the end of lines are handles <cr> vs <nl> |
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| 17:51.17 | PinBalWyz | handled |
| 17:51.27 | maddash | PinBalWyz: ok. |
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| 17:52.07 | nitro4ce | Justin: so i need dos2unix to compile this program? |
| 17:52.36 | PinBalWyz | nitro4, you just need to respect the formatting that the software anticipates. |
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| 17:53.00 | troubled | PinBalWyz: try join #debian again, should be space now |
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| 17:53.06 | Justin | nitro4ce: you really need to learn the difference between CR and CRLF |
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| 17:53.20 | PinBalWyz | troubled, thanx! |
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| 17:53.24 | Justin | nitro4ce: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newline |
| 17:53.36 | rahul | nitro4ce: erm, you're trying to compile a dos program on unix? |
| 17:53.45 | nitro4ce | rahul: no |
| 17:53.48 | nitro4ce | http://wiki.codeblocks.org/index.php?title=Installing_Code::Blocks_from_source_on_Linux |
| 17:53.58 | troubled | PinBalWyz: i wont have a clue if you make it in the channel though ;) |
| 17:54.14 | nitro4ce | look at this line |
| 17:54.16 | nitro4ce | dos2unix bootstrap acinclude.m4 codeblocks.pc.in configure.in Makefile.am |
| 17:54.17 | troubled | PinBalWyz: but debhelper did just up the limit after you tried |
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| 17:54.35 | rahul | "Important note: Don't run that final make yet! The "update" script seems to be using Dos character encoding, which will result in its failure to run on Linux. To fix this, use dos2unix:" |
| 17:54.40 | rahul | *AHEM* |
| 17:55.12 | rahul | it even tells you the debian package you need to download |
| 17:55.25 | TTimo | so how bad an idea would it be to start upgrading some production servers from sarge to etch right now? |
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| 17:55.58 | rahul | how retarded. their makefile.unix creates files with CRLF? |
| 17:56.36 | cahoot_ | wouldn't that depend on the reason for upgrading? |
| 17:56.36 | mfrisch | TTimo: if there production wait for production software |
| 17:56.36 | troubled | TTimo: cant wait? |
| 17:56.37 | dendrite | TTimo: Are the servers currently broken? |
| 17:56.37 | TTimo | nope can't wait. it's that or start compiling by hand a number of interdependent packages |
| 17:56.39 | nitro4ce | rahul: i'm trying to do this because the package is not in the repo |
| 17:56.45 | nitro4ce | rahul: but this sux |
| 17:56.55 | TTimo | have to upgrade because management wants the new features |
| 17:57.01 | mfrisch | TTimo: you have test machines? |
| 17:57.02 | rahul | nitro4ce: so learn how to read, ffs. |
| 17:57.03 | TTimo | actually, I do too |
| 17:57.15 | Justin | nitro4ce: there are plenty of good tools in the debian repositories that you don't have to jump through hoops to use. |
| 17:57.19 | rahul | seriously, I've never seen this thing before, and I found the instructions you need to follow |
| 17:57.23 | troubled | TTimo: well, in that case i would say start developing the "new system" with etch :) |
| 17:57.23 | Justin | nitro4ce: maybe you sould try one of those instead? |
| 17:57.30 | xand | TTimo: tell them they have to wait. |
| 17:57.43 | Justin | TTimo: backports? |
| 17:57.48 | rahul | TTimo: what new features? |
| 17:57.51 | TTimo | wow lots of enthusiasm. I guess I know what I'm getting into |
| 17:58.05 | rahul | does management even know what new features etch has? |
| 17:58.11 | TTimo | subversion 1.4 mostly |
| 17:58.29 | TTimo | which is tied to apache, apr etc. |
| 17:58.54 | troubled | rahul: :) |
| 17:59.04 | PinBalWyz | Hmmm....I joined #debian on irc.debian.org and although I like my name in l@ghts, I was the only one on the channel. Now I can even raise irc.debian.org. The server must be down/having problems. |
| 17:59.10 | nitro4ce | rahul: ffs |
| 17:59.11 | maddash | !find xsudo |
| 17:59.11 | rahul | TTimo: it build-deps on etch versions of those? |
| 17:59.19 | nitro4ce | rahul: ? |
| 17:59.24 | troubled | PinBalWyz: im on it now :/ |
| 17:59.25 | rahul | nitro4ce: ; |
| 17:59.36 | TTimo | rahul: not sure what you're saying there :) |
| 17:59.47 | rahul | TTimo: get the source from etch and compile it. |
| 18:00.07 | TTimo | touches a bit too many things |
| 18:00.29 | TTimo | effectively means moving most of the machine to etch already. at least for the packages I use |
| 18:00.34 | TTimo | so I might as well dist-upgrade |
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| 18:00.50 | Ny-Ty | hele |
| 18:00.56 | Ny-Ty | tak jsem zapnul windows vista upgrade advisor pod wine |
| 18:00.57 | Ny-Ty | :D |
| 18:00.58 | rahul | TTimo: to _compile_ it? |
| 18:01.03 | mfrisch | TTimo: you got a backup and time sure man |
| 18:01.23 | TTimo | no backup, very little time :) |
| 18:01.27 | nitro4ce | Justin: i like this app |
| 18:01.48 | mfrisch | TTimo: how production is this server then? |
| 18:02.17 | TTimo | that's the game industry for you. everything due a month ago |
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| 18:02.34 | rahul | TTimo: just compile the etch version of svn, sheesh |
| 18:02.44 | TTimo | that means compiling a new apr |
| 18:02.48 | TTimo | a new apache |
| 18:02.51 | rahul | why? |
| 18:02.53 | TTimo | and probably a bunch of other things |
| 18:02.55 | mfrisch | TTimo: just don't do them all at once and lose your gig |
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| 18:03.21 | troubled | PinBalWyz: um, can you connect to irc.debian.org? set your nick to somethin like pinball and try join #debian again. still have probs? |
| 18:03.23 | TTimo | new svn requires new apr which has != ABI and fixes some LFS issues |
| 18:03.31 | TTimo | which matters when your repository is ~70G |
| 18:03.43 | rahul | what does ABI have to do with this? |
| 18:03.49 | rahul | I said compile it. |
| 18:04.13 | rahul | and if you need the new apr for bug fixes, then you need it for bug fixes. that's a different story |
| 18:04.25 | rahul | svn does not depend on a specific version of libapr1 |
| 18:04.39 | TTimo | I want it on a newer version of apr though |
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| 18:04.47 | TTimo | that's the point of upgrading among other things |
| 18:05.22 | rahul | you can install both libapr1 and libapr0 ar the same time |
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| 18:05.42 | rahul | dunno if your apache will be happy with talking to a libapr1 app, tho :P |
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| 18:05.56 | PinBalWyz | I appear to be the ONLY user on irc.debian.org. What happened to it? Anybody have the skinny on that? |
| 18:05.57 | TTimo | it has to be talking to the same apr svn is compiled against afaik |
| 18:05.58 | rahul | hrm, no. it doesn't do anything that should affect apache. |
| 18:06.09 | linux_jones | is there a way to install JRE with apt-get? |
| 18:06.23 | rahul | TTimo: it's an OS abstraction lib, like libnspr |
| 18:06.23 | stew | PinBalWyz: try again. they are just getting over network issues |
| 18:06.24 | TTimo | because that's used for repository access in mod_dav_svn |
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| 18:06.49 | PinBalWyz | ah, wait! It says <username>@localhost.localdomain |
| 18:07.02 | PinBalWyz | I must be TALKING TO MYSELF in sirc. :( |
| 18:07.06 | PinBalWyz | hmmmmm. |
| 18:07.08 | troubled | PinBalWyz: you fool |
| 18:07.10 | maddash | !sirc |
| 18:07.10 | dpkg | methinks sirc is a small irc client programmed and programmable in perl4 at http://www.iagora.com/~espel/sirc/sirc.html |
| 18:07.13 | stew | PinBalWyz: yes, they had the dns for irc.oftc.net pointed to 127.0.0.1 for a short time. its back now |
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| 18:07.16 | maddash | ew perl |
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| 18:07.51 | troubled | stew: oh, there you are hehe |
| 18:08.05 | troubled | stew: so dns was broken? |
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| 18:08.14 | rahul | TTimo: well, if management is ok with the risks, do it. but get the request in writing. |
| 18:08.25 | TTimo | gotcha :) |
| 18:08.50 | troubled | PinBalWyz: what are the odds that you had an ircd running when it pointed to localhost lol |
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| 18:09.50 | stew | troubled: no, the network was broken, so they redirected dns to 127.0.0.1 to keep down on the number of people trying to rejoin all at once |
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| 18:10.47 | maddash | what's with the slapping? |
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| 18:10.56 | Ronin | someone just discovered mirc i see |
| 18:11.03 | troubled | stew: ya, i know dns doesnt just fail to localhost :) was that or an attack |
| 18:11.05 | TTimo | I remember upgrading this machine from woody to sarge after sarge came out, and it was all fucked too anyway. I'm not sure it's going to be much worse if I do it before it's officially out :) |
| 18:11.27 | mfrisch | TTimo: you know if you got management to actually back th software it uses you might not of needed this conversation |
| 18:11.34 | troubled | Ronin: i think we've all had some trout slap happy days though havent we? :) |
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| 18:11.55 | Ronin | :) |
| 18:12.11 | maddash | how do you slap, anyway? |
| 18:12.43 | versuchsanstalt | erm, using /me? |
| 18:13.59 | nitro4ce | will an ubuntu deb work in debian? |
| 18:14.00 | etchjster | i have never used irc before |
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| 18:14.11 | etchjster | never really chat at all |
| 18:14.40 | stew | nitro4ce: you shouldn't install a ubuntu deb on debian and vice versa. you can "backport" them similarly to the way you would from sid: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 18:17.18 | JordiGH | Er, where is the apt cache? I want to grep it. I found it once, but I forgot... |
| 18:17.56 | etchjster | how old is 2.6.8-3? |
| 18:18.04 | TTimo | quite |
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| 18:18.30 | etchjster | how do i get a newer kernel |
| 18:18.40 | JordiGH | apt-get install new-kernel |
| 18:18.53 | JordiGH | etchjster: apt-cache search for kernel-image in order to know what kernel you want. |
| 18:18.59 | etchjster | apt-cache search only brings up that kernel |
| 18:19.15 | JordiGH | Or for linux-image |
| 18:19.19 | JordiGH | apt-cache search linux-image |
| 18:19.39 | etchjster | so i can use linux image on sarge? |
| 18:19.52 | JordiGH | Er, that I'm not sure. |
| 18:19.53 | etchjster | thouyght sarge was kernel image |
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| 18:20.29 | Ronin | etchjster: sarge is the distro name |
| 18:20.51 | etchjster | sarge is stable right? |
| 18:20.55 | Ronin | yes |
| 18:21.04 | etchjster | etch is testing? |
| 18:21.05 | sxpert | etchjster, more like stale :D |
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| 18:21.21 | Ronin | sxpert: hardly |
| 18:21.22 | Ronin | etchjster: yes |
| 18:21.26 | etchjster | k |
| 18:22.04 | etchjster | so with stable debian i can use apt-get install linux-image?? |
| 18:22.14 | troubled | etchjster: do you have a 10000 page manual of questions that you go over while your bored in here for fun or something? |
| 18:22.38 | sxpert | etchjster, and you'll get, erh.. 2.6.8 or so :D |
| 18:22.41 | etchjster | i just want the newest kernel |
| 18:23.05 | sxpert | etchjster, you'd have to build 2.6.20 yourself I guess |
| 18:23.18 | etchjster | isnt there a difference between kernel-image |
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| 18:23.27 | etchjster | and linux-image? |
| 18:23.40 | PinBalWyz | I wouldn't think so. |
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| 18:24.06 | troubled | etchjster: least your not one of the distubred ones that answers himself on other irc clients/nicks to make themselves look smart/important :) |
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| 18:24.49 | etchjster | that is very funny |
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| 18:24.53 | Dimitri | Hello |
| 18:24.55 | PinBalWyz | troubled, you've seen this behavior recently? |
| 18:24.59 | etchjster | i dont even know how i got here on irc |
| 18:25.01 | Dimitri | After reconfiguring the locales on my german dedicated server |
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| 18:25.07 | Dimitri | It still appears in German |
| 18:25.15 | etchjster | irc has me so confused |
| 18:25.24 | troubled | PinBalWyz: :) what interests me how how fast you asked that ;) |
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| 18:25.30 | Dimitri | i did dpkg-reconfigure locales, disabled the german language and enabled english - britain |
| 18:25.31 | etchjster | i really dont care about irc |
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| 18:25.44 | Dimitri | But programs like nano still appear in german.. |
| 18:26.06 | stew | Dimitri: have you logged out since making the change to locales? |
| 18:26.14 | troubled | etchjster: you know of a faster way to get answers? |
| 18:26.16 | PinBalWyz | ahhhh...a student of human nature in our midst. I'm just attracted to the really *important* questions, I guess. :) |
| 18:26.30 | Dimitri | stew: yes, i have restarted bash shell |
| 18:26.32 | etchjster | that isnt important |
| 18:26.34 | Dimitri | and restarted the server |
| 18:26.37 | Ronin | troubled: ya search for it before coming here, ie do your own leg work ;) |
| 18:26.41 | Dimitri | But it has still been in German |
| 18:26.47 | etchjster | i dont even knoiw how to get a new kernel? |
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| 18:26.51 | Dimitri | Which is annoying, because I keep having to guess what it's saying |
| 18:26.54 | PinBalWyz | So many irc denizens only deal with the technical instead of the human. But you're cut from a different warp & weave, I see. :) |
| 18:26.56 | JordiGH | Found it: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 18:27.00 | valdyn | etchjster: why would you need a new kernel? |
| 18:27.14 | Ronin | etchjster: define new kernel? you can install one using apt-get install you cant however get the latest that way |
| 18:27.20 | etchjster | i have 2.6.8-3 |
| 18:27.26 | etchjster | someone said it was old |
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| 18:27.30 | valdyn | etchjster: what's wrong with it? |
| 18:27.38 | Ronin | etchjster: old is bad now? |
| 18:27.50 | mfrisch | valdyn: dammit its old ;-) |
| 18:27.50 | Dimitri | stew: also, in the file with the locales it definetely defines eng_GB |
| 18:27.58 | etchjster | dont you get cool stuff with diferent kernels like x org instead of xf86 |
| 18:28.11 | Ronin | etchjster: no a new kernel will not give you xorg |
| 18:28.27 | etchjster | ok |
| 18:28.33 | troubled | PinBalWyz: reminds me of my jokes about how theres really only 10 or 20 of us in here talking via massive botnets to each other al day alternating nicks :) |
| 18:28.35 | valdyn | etchjster: but, same thing, what's wrong with xf86 ? |
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| 18:28.56 | etchjster | i have all the old stuff |
| 18:28.58 | etchjster | ked |
| 18:29.00 | etchjster | kde |
| 18:29.22 | etchjster | this is my desk top |
| 18:29.23 | valdyn | etchjster: so nothing really wrong with xf86, you just want a newer kde? |
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| 18:29.38 | valdyn | etchjster: now, do you want a new kde because its newer? |
| 18:29.41 | etchjster | i want the newest kernel-imnage i can get |
| 18:29.44 | troubled | PinBalWyz: called the turing test isnt it? |
| 18:29.45 | valdyn | hah |
| 18:29.49 | etchjster | i cant run etchj on this box |
| 18:29.58 | Ronin | etchjster: that wont give you the latest kde or gnome or fluxbox etc. |
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| 18:30.12 | Ronin | etchjster: why cant you run etch? what happens when you try? |
| 18:30.30 | etchjster | wont load apt fails |
| 18:30.37 | valdyn | heh |
| 18:30.43 | Ronin | etchjster: bit more specific please |
| 18:30.45 | valdyn | dpkg, sarge->etch |
| 18:30.45 | etchjster | cant run xp on this box without bios flash |
| 18:30.45 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
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| 18:31.01 | anapivirtua | Hello / Re all |
| 18:31.05 | PinBalWyz | Turing was a rank novice. Today we have descendants of psychoanalytical bots like....ummmm....what was it's name? born in the 70's I believe. |
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| 18:31.11 | etchjster | i tried that it fails |
| 18:31.35 | Ronin | once again etchjster please be as specific as possible |
| 18:32.06 | PinBalWyz | alice? No, that's not it. The one that would parrot your answers back to you in the form of a question. |
| 18:32.12 | troubled | PinBalWyz: hal? |
| 18:32.15 | troubled | oh, nm then hehe |
| 18:32.43 | PinBalWyz | not hal either. Diekstra or someone with a name like that may have created it. |
| 18:32.46 | troubled | not skinner or something like that then either :/ not sure |
| 18:32.55 | PinBalWyz | Surely you've heard of it if you know of Alan Turing? |
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| 18:33.15 | PinBalWyz | hang on...gonna do a google for it. |
| 18:33.18 | etchjster | i get some respawn error |
| 18:33.23 | troubled | perhaps you got a better clue? :/ |
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| 18:33.50 | valdyn | !tell etchjster -about smart questions |
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| 18:34.43 | ptman | how do you make dpkg think that a package is installed? I tried to google for "dpkg inject", but that didn't turn up anything |
| 18:34.55 | valdyn | etchjster: you will get assistance much more easily if you follow these basic guidelines dpkg told you about |
| 18:35.12 | PaSurf | I am trying to connect two computers over the internet via backup-manager. I have scp'd the keys over and am able to connect no problem, but when I run backup-manager it wells me to check roots ssh keys. Any ideas on why I can connect from command line, but not though the backup-manager program? |
| 18:35.15 | valdyn | !equivs |
| 18:35.15 | dpkg | from memory, equivs is a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
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| 18:35.16 | |zetetic| | hi all. I'm reading iptables manual, but I can't figured out what this rule means, on the input chain of my adsl router. "ACCEPT 2 -- 0.0.0.0/0 0.0.0.0/0". Can someone please through some light on this subject ? |
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| 18:35.24 | valdyn | ptman: see what dpkg said about equivs |
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| 18:36.23 | |zetetic| | I mean... Target=accept; Prot=2; source and destination=0.0.0.0/0 |
| 18:36.35 | dr0rd | hello. i'm looking for debian for x64 and the debian website says to use AMD, but I only see x86 and IA64 ISOs, where can I find x64? |
| 18:36.36 | etchjster | wtf |
| 18:36.39 | carbon60 | I can't find *anything* regarding dm-mirror. Is it possible to use it to create mirrored LVs? |
| 18:36.45 | ptman | valdyn: I installed the package that dpkg suggested as replacing the dependency, but to no avail |
| 18:36.54 | PinBalWyz | Damn, I'm getting old. *ELIZA* is the name of the program. I'm sure there are much better psychiatric AI programs that ELIZA by this late date. |
| 18:36.57 | valdyn | ptman: you what? |
| 18:37.17 | PinBalWyz | ELIZA, or something like it, would make a great channel bot in the right place. |
| 18:37.37 | PinBalWyz | !eliza |
| 18:37.38 | dpkg | it has been said that eliza is a famous program by Joseph Weizenbaum , which simulated a Rogerian psychoanalyst. [...] There are many anecdotes about people becoming very emotionally caught up in dealing with ELIZA. (The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing). M-x doctor |
| 18:37.48 | solemnwarning | dr0rd: There is no such thing as x64 |
| 18:37.49 | valdyn | !tell dr0rd -about amd64 |
| 18:37.52 | etchjster | i was just forceably shown how to ask smart questions how windows like |
| 18:38.10 | ptman | valdyn: I want to install vdr-dev, it depends on dvb-dev, but it is not available, but dpkg (or apt) tells that em8300-headers replaces it |
| 18:38.25 | PaSurf | I am trying to connect two computers over the internet via backup-manager. I have scp'd the keys over and am able to connect no problem, but when I run backup-manager it wells me to check roots ssh keys. |
| 18:38.27 | ptman | valdyn: so I installed em8300-headers, but it still wont install vdr-dev |
| 18:38.36 | |zetetic| | I put the question in other terms: anybody knows what "protocol 2" mean?? |
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| 18:38.44 | rahul | you asked a stupid question. how windows-like. |
| 18:38.50 | Ronin | zing |
| 18:38.51 | dr0rd | valdyn, where do i get the amd 64 iso, I only see IA64 and x64 |
| 18:38.51 | PinBalWyz | so Troubled isn't too far off the mark! |
| 18:38.55 | valdyn | ptman: what you are trying to do is evil, stupid |
| 18:39.09 | valdyn | ptman: dependencies aren't there to annoy you |
| 18:39.25 | valdyn | ptman: the missing package is probably in sid |
| 18:39.25 | troubled | PinBalWyz: :) |
| 18:39.25 | PinBalWyz | Troubled, if you haven't heard of Eliza before, I recommend reading about it. |
| 18:39.45 | ptman | i need vdr-dev to build a package, and I can build it without support for the things that are provided by dvb-dev |
| 18:39.55 | troubled | PinBalWyz: ah, ive heard of Eliza. been a while i guess |
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| 18:40.20 | valdyn | ptman: so use equivs |
| 18:40.23 | solemnwarning | dr0rd: There is no such thing as x64, x86_64 is IA64 |
| 18:40.28 | PaSurf | I am having trouble getting backup-manager package to work properly. not connecting to remote. any ideas? |
| 18:40.31 | PinBalWyz | Yeah, I'm wondering just how slick the progeny of Eliza are today? |
| 18:40.38 | PinBalWyz | Besides me, of course! |
| 18:40.38 | solemnwarning | dr0rd: But the i386 release is better anyway |
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| 18:40.51 | valdyn | ptman: READ what dpkg said above |
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| 18:40.53 | ptman | ah, equivs is a package, I though you shortened "equivalents" |
| 18:40.53 | valdyn | solemnwarning: x86_64 is amd64, NOT IA64 |
| 18:40.54 | dr0rd | solemnwarning, in another chat group, they told me IA64 is for Itanium only |
| 18:40.58 | valdyn | dr0rd: dpkg told you |
| 18:41.59 | solemnwarning | oh |
| 18:41.59 | solemnwarning | i386 is better anyway, more works under it |
| 18:41.59 | dr0rd | solemnwarning, and the Debian website says you need something called AMD for AMD 64 and Intel 64 |
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| 18:42.00 | dr0rd | solemnwarning, I could use i386, but I would like to have the 64-bitness |
| 18:42.01 | solemnwarning | For what? |
| 18:42.02 | dr0rd | solemnwarning, performance |
| 18:42.11 | PaSurf | anyone know how to get multiple ssh keys to work on sarge in the /root/.ssh directory? |
| 18:42.12 | solemnwarning | Do you have over 4GB memory? |
| 18:42.13 | dr0rd | solemnwarning, memory |
| 18:42.19 | dr0rd | solemnwarning, yes |
| 18:42.22 | PxM | HI, a question. there is goood driver for a 3dfx voodoo 5 5500??? |
| 18:42.37 | etchjster | so 386 on a686 machine performes better? |
| 18:42.43 | solemnwarning | What the hell do you do with 4GB ram?! |
| 18:42.48 | valdyn | dr0rd: sarge was not officially released by debian for amd64, that does not need to bother you though, just read what dpkg told you |
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| 18:43.21 | etchjster | so they made 686 to confuse everyone? |
| 18:43.25 | valdyn | PxM: think so |
| 18:43.29 | etchjster | ahh |
| 18:43.39 | etchjster | tricky |
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| 18:43.49 | valdyn | PxM: tried the 3dx ( or voodoo ) driver shipping with debian yet? |
| 18:44.08 | etchjster | i saw a big performance going from 386 to 686 |
| 18:44.24 | dr0rd | valdyn, what dpkg told me? |
| 18:44.34 | valdyn | !tell dr0rd -about amd64 |
| 18:44.41 | valdyn | dr0rd: did it again |
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| 18:45.28 | valdyn | !d-i |
| 18:45.30 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 18:46.02 | valdyn | dr0rd: above, the etch/testing installer is there for amd64 aswell, just for sarge its elsewhere |
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| 18:47.27 | dr0rd | so there's just no ISO images for AMD64? |
| 18:47.49 | valdyn | dr0rd: they exist |
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| 18:47.54 | valdyn | !amd64 |
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| 18:47.56 | dpkg | well, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 18:48.07 | PxM | valdyn: no, it run only in vesa mode |
| 18:48.10 | valdyn | dr0rd: oh my, there's even a FAQ |
| 18:48.22 | etchjster | see i dont get any of this |
| 18:48.24 | valdyn | PxM: so try the native driver... |
| 18:48.26 | valdyn | !drxx PxM |
| 18:48.28 | dpkg | PxM: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 18:48.38 | dr0rd | are you all suggesting I just run the x86 version and don't bother with the x64? |
| 18:48.43 | PaSurf | anyone know how to get multiple ssh keys to work on sarge in the /root/.ssh directory? |
| 18:48.51 | valdyn | dr0rd: i suggest you read the FAQ |
| 18:49.06 | valdyn | this is getting annoying really. |
| 18:49.20 | PxM | ok tnks |
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| 18:49.50 | etchjster | i try to be smart |
| 18:49.57 | etchjster | sorry |
| 18:50.24 | valdyn | etchjster: i didnt mean you |
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| 18:50.40 | pinks | what are the known bugs when runnin flash in firefox on sarge? |
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| 18:51.00 | Phil4 | PaSurf: do you mean when sarge is used as the server being connected to with rsa auth? |
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| 18:51.26 | etchjster | some one tell me what to do with the init respawn to fast error |
| 18:51.47 | dr0rd | thanks, can I ask why you recommend the x86 over the x64 version? is it driver support? |
| 18:51.54 | Cholito | etchjster: which one? |
| 18:52.16 | PaSurf | Phil4: I am trying to connect with dsa but basically yes... I connect to my other server by putting in the ssh and ip address... |
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| 18:52.27 | PaSurf | and it works no problems... |
| 18:52.38 | Cholito | dsa=sda? |
| 18:53.02 | PaSurf | no, dsa |
| 18:53.03 | valdyn | dr0rd: i don't, both releases have drawbacks, for amd64 its the missing support by flash etc. for i386 its the performance hit on large memory machines ( just for instance ) |
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| 18:53.26 | valdyn | dr0rd: btw, don't call it x64, that doesnt exist and could be confusing anyway |
| 18:53.35 | PaSurf | Do the keys need to be in seperate files or can they all be located in one? |
| 18:53.40 | dr0rd | valdyn, no usb key? you mean AMD64? |
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| 18:53.47 | Phil4 | PaSurf: it should just be a case of adding the contents of the public key files on the clients to authorized_keys (each on a new line) |
| 18:53.53 | valdyn | dr0rd: shockwave flash |
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| 18:54.43 | dr0rd | valdyn, i'm fine without that -- I just need to run Xen with a Debian Guest and a Windows 2003 Server guest OS -- preference for x86 or AMD64? |
| 18:55.04 | PaSurf | Phil4: Ya, I have one server that is getting a push from one server, then pushing both backups to a remote server. So, I have server A, B, and C. Currently B can push its backups to C, but when I try to get A to push to B, I get errors... |
| 18:55.16 | valdyn | dr0rd: amd64 |
| 18:55.30 | dr0rd | valdyn, thank you all very much, you've been very helpful! |
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| 18:55.43 | PaSurf | Phil4: Even though server A can connect to B via command line fine... |
| 18:56.02 | Phil4 | what errors PaSurf? |
| 18:57.17 | PaSurf | Phil4: file cannot be uploaded. check roots ssh keys on host 192.x.x.x . BTW the push from A to B is local. The push from B to C over internet |
| 18:57.55 | PaSurf | Phil4: if I run ssh 192.x.x.x I can connect with no password no problem... |
| 18:58.05 | Phil4 | o.0 |
| 18:58.20 | Phil4 | that indicates the auth is working fine PaSurf |
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| 18:58.35 | Phil4 | but why scp doesn't work, I don't know |
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| 18:59.25 | PaSurf | Phil4: scp worked fine, but in the configurations, I set up the communication for ssh. SSH works fine from command line, but not through backup-manager.... |
| 18:59.28 | Justin | PaSurf: "errors"? |
| 18:59.38 | PaSurf | Phil4: file cannot be uploaded. check roots ssh keys on host 192.x.x.x . |
| 18:59.50 | PaSurf | Justin: file cannot be uploaded. check roots ssh keys on host 192.x.x.x . |
| 18:59.53 | PaSurf | sorry |
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| 19:00.29 | dr0rd | does the AMD64 port support Intel Xeon 64-bit Dual Core processor? |
| 19:00.35 | Justin | PaSurf: sounds like a backup-manager problem.. at least, that is not an error from ssh |
| 19:01.07 | Cholito | amd!=intel |
| 19:01.13 | Phil4 | can you scp from the command line PaSurf? |
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| 19:02.00 | zinx | dr0rd: it does |
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| 19:02.44 | zinx | dr0rd: well, as long as that's an EM64T/"Intel-64"/whatever the heck intel's calling it now system (note: not ia64. that's something else.) |
| 19:02.45 | PaSurf | Phil4: ya, thats how I pushed the dsa file from server B to server A. I had the same problems last week so dumped everything and started over again this morning... B to C works fine. Only thing I can think of is multiple dsa keys on one server, but then I wouldn't be able to connect via command line... |
| 19:03.10 | Phil4 | indeed |
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| 19:03.33 | dr0rd | zinx, thanks (the FAQ says "This is confusing" No kidding!) |
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| 19:05.08 | trance | hey how do i switch to xorg from xfree86 ? |
| 19:05.37 | rokfit | on the wine wiki, is the gentoo chroot method for wine the same as it is for debian? |
| 19:05.53 | Cholito | trance: does apt-get dist-upgrade help? |
| 19:05.55 | FriedCPU | Hi, does anybody know if its possible to get "quota" to work with the resiserfs filesystem, at the moment "quotacheck" returns can't find filesystem, google generally returns foreign pages which are not alot of help at all. |
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| 19:06.59 | trance | dont get xorg from that |
| 19:07.38 | rokfit | on the wine wiki, is the gentoo chroot method for wine the same as it is for debian? |
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| 19:09.07 | comfrey_ | hey all... |
| 19:09.17 | stephane | Hi all |
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| 19:09.29 | stephane | Just a question anout printer sharing |
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| 19:09.36 | comfrey_ | wpasupplicant is attempting to assuciate with 00:00:00:00:00:00 every 10 secs... |
| 19:09.48 | Cholito | rokfit: have you tried? |
| 19:09.53 | rokfit | no |
| 19:09.56 | Cholito | so? |
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| 19:10.02 | Cholito | tried |
| 19:10.07 | Cholito | oops, try it |
| 19:10.11 | comfrey_ | i would like it to not as it messes with my connectivity and blinks the light |
| 19:10.39 | comfrey_ | i also am using allow hotplug... |
| 19:10.42 | rokfit | Cholito: i'm having some problem with wine saying theres no X driver present |
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| 19:11.02 | comfrey_ | and so it attempts to refresh the ip after every succesful reassociacion |
| 19:11.15 | comfrey_ | this is annoying. |
| 19:11.30 | comfrey_ | i am using wpasupplicant roaming... |
| 19:11.41 | SerajewelKS | here's a puzzle for you: cat /proc/cpuinfo; model name : Genuine Intel(R) CPU 2.80GHz cpu MHz : 1595.028 |
| 19:12.03 | comfrey_ | is there a way to not have it scan if there it is associated |
| 19:12.16 | comfrey_ | SerajewelKS: is it throttled? |
| 19:12.22 | Chty | hello |
| 19:12.37 | SerajewelKS | comfrey_: hell if i know, there is no bios option from what i can see |
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| 19:12.43 | Chty | someone know where can I find libfaac-dev package ? |
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| 19:13.40 | SerajewelKS | Chty: in etch |
| 19:13.44 | SerajewelKS | !info libfaac-dev etch |
| 19:13.49 | anirban | Hi how to use flash in AMD 64 bit |
| 19:13.55 | Cholito | rokfit: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:13.57 | Chty | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 19:14.02 | SerajewelKS | Chty: err, it's in marillat |
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| 19:14.09 | Chty | SerajewelKS: ? |
| 19:14.10 | SerajewelKS | !tell Chty about marillat |
| 19:14.11 | Cholito | anirban: using a chrooted system |
| 19:14.16 | Chty | !info libfaac-dev etch |
| 19:14.18 | anirban | I am trying to install nspluginwrapper |
| 19:14.23 | anirban | no |
| 19:14.31 | Cholito | yes |
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| 19:15.44 | Chty | SerajewelKS: ok man I'm going to see here |
| 19:16.30 | kinneh | hi all, I have problem with http://bugs.debian.org/407494 and no real progress, I'm wondering about the possibillity to upload a newer version of pike that dont has this problem, any reflections on that (is it even possible)? |
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| 19:17.29 | pascutti | anyone could tell me if the DVD of etch rc1 helps something in apt-build ?? |
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| 19:17.51 | etchjster | when i typoe apt-cache search linux-kernel iget nothing |
| 19:18.14 | etchjster | when i type apt-cache search kernel-image i get a list of all the stuff |
| 19:19.22 | etchjster | please dont slap me with a trout |
| 19:19.28 | HymnToLife | etchjster, what do you want to install exactly ? |
| 19:19.49 | hark | etchjster: linux-image |
| 19:20.02 | etchjster | 2.6.8-3 is old right |
| 19:20.21 | HymnToLife | etchjster, yes but you can't get something newer in Sarge |
| 19:20.27 | HymnToLife | unless you compile it yourself |
| 19:20.31 | sxpert | etchjster, here's the proper way to install vista! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LxQm3IsSKAo |
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| 19:20.59 | etchjster | debian:/home/user# apt-cache search linux-image |
| 19:20.59 | etchjster | debian:/home/user# |
| 19:21.19 | hark | etchjster: on etch or sarge? |
| 19:21.20 | stew | etchjster: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:21.29 | etchjster | sarge |
| 19:21.41 | stew | etchjster: you have the latest sarge kernel already |
| 19:21.46 | hark | etchjster: /nick sargejster |
| 19:22.00 | etchjster | i got etch on my other box |
| 19:22.04 | stew | etchjster: and kernels in sarge are named kernel-iamge, not linux-image |
| 19:22.24 | trance | how can i delete xfree86 ? |
| 19:22.28 | trance | remove* |
| 19:22.34 | stew | !remove x |
| 19:22.35 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 19:22.59 | trance | danke |
| 19:24.05 | etchjster | see you make it look like im dumb but who told me to apt-cache search linux-image if im using sarge? |
| 19:24.57 | stew | 13:18 < JordiGH> etchjster: apt-cache search for kernel-image in order to know what kernel you want. |
| 19:25.17 | etchjster | and 2.6.8-3 is newest |
| 19:25.26 | Cholito | trance: bite schön =P |
| 19:26.04 | HymnToLife | etchjster, if you want a newer kernel, upgrade to Etch or compile it yourself |
| 19:26.26 | trance | it didnt removed |
| 19:26.32 | h3sp4wn | etchjster: or check bpo |
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| 19:27.20 | Draconicus | Howdy. |
| 19:28.16 | etchjster | bpo? |
| 19:28.35 | Draconicus | I installed Debian onto a hard drive in a P4 machine and moved it over to a socket 7 system with an AMD K6-2 in it. It reboots right after booting the kernel, just about at the point where it'd mount the root directory, I think. Is this related to the CPU and kernel, or is it more likely a different problem? |
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| 19:29.13 | valdyn | Draconicus: this is a debian kernel? |
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| 19:29.41 | Draconicus | valdyn: Yes. Does the Debian installer automatically select a kernel built for the CPU? |
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| 19:30.19 | dondelelcaro | it automatically selects an i386 kernel. |
| 19:30.26 | Draconicus | I thought so... |
| 19:30.29 | dondelelcaro | if it had the wrong kernel, it wouldn't even get to the point of mounting the root filesystem. |
| 19:30.34 | Draconicus | Ah. |
| 19:30.39 | Draconicus | Well, it might not be... |
| 19:30.39 | valdyn | Draconicus: no it doesnt, but the initrd contains the drivers for your disk controller, that initrd is created upon installation of your kernel, contains only 'needed' drivers, not the one for your disk controller on that amd box |
| 19:30.53 | Draconicus | Hmm... |
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| 19:31.29 | Chty | I have a problem with liblame-dev to compil vlc. please see http://pastebin.be/5794/ |
| 19:31.29 | Draconicus | valdyn: That's a possibility. It didn't work with a Pentium MMX, either, so you're probably right. It's an odd little NIC box anyway. |
| 19:31.32 | valdyn | Draconicus: trivial to fix.. put that harddisk back, edit /etc/initramfs-tools/modules ( add the driver there ), reinstall a kernel-image |
| 19:32.10 | valdyn | Draconicus: method differs slightly depending on which initram generation tool you are using |
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| 19:32.19 | Draconicus | valdyn: Gotcha. Should be easy. I just don't know what controller it uses... I'll try to look it up. |
| 19:32.34 | trance | apt-get dist-upgrade is same as apt-get upgrade? |
| 19:32.43 | valdyn | trance: no, read the manpage |
| 19:32.49 | Chty | trance: no |
| 19:33.20 | trance | ok |
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| 19:35.23 | AngusRF | is it safe to (re)move tar-archives from /var/log/ ? |
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| 19:35.46 | rgsteele | Hey guys. I've got this printer that sits on the network, with IP a.b.c.d, and I'm using a local Debian box with CUPS as the print manager. But, I can't seem to get CUPS to talk to the printer... just the usual "Unable to connect for 30 seconds..." deal, according to /var/log/cups/error_log. The thing's a Xerox Phaser8200, and I'm using the socket protocol to try and connect to it, as... |
| 19:35.47 | rgsteele | ...I've read that's the best way to talk to those Xeroxes. |
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| 19:36.42 | rgsteele | nmap tells me that all ports on the thing are filtered (as I'd sort of expect), but other than port 9100, i'm not quite sure what to tell CUPS to try wrt a port... any suggestions? |
| 19:36.51 | gowlin` | !why iceweasel |
| 19:36.52 | dpkg | somebody said why iceweasel was debian doesn't distribute firefox with the firefox name at the request of its authors, see http://bugs.debian.org/354622 |
| 19:37.04 | stew | gowlin`: ! |
| 19:37.09 | DarkCow | rgsteele, 9100, eh? |
| 19:37.14 | DarkCow | rings a bell... |
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| 19:37.18 | gowlin` | stew: wtf man, where you been? |
| 19:37.30 | stew | gowlin`: well. busy. you? |
| 19:37.45 | gowlin` | stew: get back to where you should be on :) |
| 19:37.46 | rgsteele | DarkCow: Yeah, I'm pretty sure socket://a.b.c.d/PORT1 is equivalent to socket://a.b.c.d:9100 |
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| 19:37.53 | maddash__ | how secure is openssh? |
| 19:37.57 | rgsteele | But, neither seems to work :( |
| 19:38.03 | maddash__ | openssh server, I mean |
| 19:38.12 | sxpert | maddash__, define "secure" |
| 19:38.26 | maddash__ | sxpert: hold on... |
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| 19:38.57 | SerajewelKS | maddash__: secure with respect to authentication? encryption? |
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| 19:39.58 | dendrite | rgsteele: lpd? tcp 515? |
| 19:40.00 | hagisbasheruk | yay i just installed Debian Sarge on a wince #device (jornada 720) http://badaboum.bidibom.free.fr/linux-jornada-fs/ |
| 19:40.13 | DarkCow | rgsteele, mine is socket://192.168.0.109:9100 |
| 19:40.36 | DarkCow | that's the DeviceURI that I gave to cups |
| 19:40.47 | rgsteele | DarkCow: A standalone, right? Not a printer attached to another machine? |
| 19:40.47 | sxpert | sudo_maddash, if you expect military-level secure, then NO |
| 19:40.55 | DarkCow | yep |
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| 19:41.10 | sudo_maddash | sxpert: well, one of my friends suggested not using openssh server, because "chances were that [I] would be opening [my computer] to unauthorized access" |
| 19:41.31 | sxpert | sudo_maddash, hmm. that depends on the configuration |
| 19:42.19 | DarkCow | you might turn up the log/debug level in the cups conf. That can give some useful info. |
| 19:42.19 | sxpert | it sure is better to use openssh-server than telnetd :D |
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| 19:42.54 | DarkCow | sudo_maddash, as long as you use decent passwords or private/public keys (instead of passwords - disable password login if you aren't going to have secure passes), then you'll be fine |
| 19:43.19 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: they probably also recommend unplugging your CAT5 cable too |
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| 19:45.19 | sudo_maddash | DarkCow: if I use keys instead of passwords, would i have to memorize a long alphanumeric sequences? |
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| 19:45.34 | DarkCow | sudo_maddash, veeeery long :P |
| 19:45.37 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: you would carry it around on some removable media |
| 19:45.42 | DarkCow | you keep it as a file |
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| 19:45.50 | sepski | sudo_maddash, you must have a passphrase for your key tho ! |
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| 19:46.03 | DarkCow | but secure passwords should be fine |
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| 19:46.20 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: as long as your password isn't something like "qwerty" you will be fine |
| 19:46.21 | rgsteele | DarkCow: Yeah, that's what I tried but it doesn't seem to like that |
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| 19:46.25 | sepski | sudo_maddash, but you only have to load the key once every session tho |
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| 19:46.28 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: your friend is spreading FUD |
| 19:46.41 | DarkCow | nobody's going to spend ages cracking a long alphanumeric password |
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| 19:46.50 | DarkCow | bruteforcing* |
| 19:47.02 | Peggerr | I have a stumpper one, when I do a arp I keep on getting incomplete for the mac, but the netmask is correct what else might cause this |
| 19:47.30 | Draconicus | valdyn: I can't seem to find information on what IDE controller it has... Is there a way to load every driver with one line, or do I have to add them all? |
| 19:47.33 | sepski | Peggerr, means the ip is not to be found on the broadcast domain |
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| 19:47.43 | Draconicus | I could possibly boot a live CD of some kind and find out that way, maybe. |
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| 19:48.00 | sepski | Peggerr, so no interface have that ip address. or you have a wrong ip/mask combo on one of the 2 interfaces involved. |
| 19:48.19 | eitan | I am having trouble burning an audio cd in debian sarge. Can someone help me figure out how to do this? |
| 19:48.25 | Peggerr | but i can ssh to the machine |
| 19:48.50 | Peggerr | and this has been working for months and all of a sudden it stoped working |
| 19:48.50 | sepski | Peggerr, are you sure it's using that ip address and not another one ? |
| 19:49.09 | Peggerr | It has that one and a few others, vip's |
| 19:49.11 | sudo_maddash | SerajewelKS, darkcow, sepski: so, is it secure for me to use the openssh-server I just aptitude-ed w/o any additional configuring? |
| 19:49.24 | DarkCow | yeah |
| 19:49.26 | sepski | sudo_maddash, if you have decent passwords, yes |
| 19:49.31 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: i would disable remote root login but otherwise yes |
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| 19:49.52 | sudo_maddash | SerajewelKS: why? |
| 19:50.00 | jumpship | rings of security |
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| 19:50.11 | sepski | sudo_maddash, becouse brute force password attepths often try the root account, |
| 19:50.28 | sepski | since it's likely to exsist and give the most loot if broken. |
| 19:50.28 | eitan | How do I burn an audio cd in debian? (I am currently having problems doing this.) |
| 19:50.34 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: because if they're going to get root then they'll need two passwords |
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| 19:50.51 | daniel_ | Hello, I have a problem. |
| 19:50.54 | jumpship | eitan: do you have k3b ? |
| 19:50.59 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: and you'll probably detect any breakin on a user account well before they brute the root account |
| 19:51.03 | daniel_ | I'm on debian stable and would like to install aclocal 1.9 |
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| 19:52.32 | sudo_maddash | SerajewelKS: i don't understand. by disabling remote root login, are you referring to disabling su/sudo when connecting thru ssh? |
| 19:52.33 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: no, i am referring to disabling ssh root login |
| 19:52.33 | sepski | sudo_maddash, no he means you can not login directly as root, but as a user, and then must su to root |
| 19:52.34 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: you will be unable to use the root account when connecting |
| 19:52.34 | jumpship | sudo_maddash: it just means at the login you cant login directly as root. |
| 19:52.34 | sepski | sudo_maddash, so if someone wants root they need root pw+ a users pw |
| 19:52.34 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: if you login you can use su |
| 19:52.35 | sudo_maddash | whaaa? `ssh root@[...]` is possible? |
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| 19:53.05 | eitan | jumpship: I just installed it. Haven't tried it yet, though. I had been trying gnomebaker, graveman, and xcdroast... none worked. |
| 19:53.05 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: by default yes, like i said i advise disabling that |
| 19:53.05 | stew | daniel_: install automake1.9 |
| 19:53.05 | sepski | sudo_maddash, as default yes. but again have decent passwords |
| 19:53.05 | sudo_maddash | SerajewelKS: thanks for the heads-up |
| 19:53.06 | daniel_ | stew: Did that |
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| 19:53.07 | jumpship | eitan: i have done it on FC, but recently jumped ship to Debian. |
| 19:53.09 | SerajewelKS | sudo_maddash: nods, see `man sshd_config` for the option |
| 19:53.15 | daniel_ | stew: d'uh! I had to re-logon for tab-completion to find aclocal-1.9 |
| 19:53.21 | daniel_ | Thanks |
| 19:53.49 | eitan | jumpship: I just loaded k3b... I'll try it now. |
| 19:53.53 | daxxar | http://pastebin.no/933 -- Anyone know what causes this? (Debian Testing) |
| 19:54.28 | xp_prg | is there a debian package for postgres 8.2.2? |
| 19:54.35 | eitan | jumpship: it just crashed when I was trying to put files in a new audio cd directory. |
| 19:54.52 | jumpship | eitan: mp3-->audio CD ? |
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| 19:55.37 | Gokee2 | When I start firefox through ssh how does it end up running on the local computer? I use bon echo on my laptop and started a firefox though ssh -Y to my server which runs plain old firefox and I ended up with a bon echo window... Can someone tell me why? Thanks |
| 19:55.46 | eitan | jumpship: I went to the private chat. |
| 19:56.06 | gmcinnes_ | hi all. dist-upgrade seems to be failing because it isn't installing a new kernel. can anyone think of a workaround? |
| 19:56.11 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: "bon echo"? |
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| 19:56.23 | jumpship | eitan: you have to register your nick to private message i believe |
| 19:56.32 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, its a beta of firefox 2.0 |
| 19:56.42 | h3sp4wn | Gokee2: firefox from experimental ? |
| 19:56.47 | tobbeosx | hello, everyone. im having problems compiling using gcc, it cannot find any of the stdlibs such as string.h etc, what should i do? |
| 19:56.50 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: what did you expect to happen when you ran it? |
| 19:57.08 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, I expected a firefox window from my server |
| 19:57.10 | eitan | jumpship: hmmmm I'm using xchat and I see your messages in a separate "jumpship" tabbed window. |
| 19:57.14 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: you should get one |
| 19:57.14 | h3sp4wn | tobbeosx: install build-essential |
| 19:57.18 | Guerin | tobbeosx: install build-essential |
| 19:57.20 | Guerin | bah |
| 19:57.22 | jumpship | eitan: is your nick registered? |
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| 19:57.29 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: how do you know it's running locally? |
| 19:57.30 | eitan | jumpship: no. |
| 19:57.33 | tobbeosx | ok, thanks will try that |
| 19:57.40 | jumpship | eitan: try registering it first |
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| 19:58.17 | omar | is there a soellcheck plugin for evolution? |
| 19:58.21 | omar | lol |
| 19:58.21 | abrotman | a what? |
| 19:58.23 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, Because its bon echo which is only installed on my local computer, and it prints from the local printer (not sheared) |
| 19:58.25 | omar | spellcheck |
| 19:58.35 | jumpship | eitan: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering |
| 19:58.41 | abrotman | omar: i believe there is .. |
| 19:59.02 | Guerin | does it not use the libgnome-bloat-spell? |
| 19:59.06 | Gokee2 | shared* |
| 19:59.10 | eitan | jumpship: I'd rather not go through the hassle. If I make a new room is that ok? How about #eitan ? |
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| 19:59.16 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: if you're running it from inside the shell then you have it installed on the server... so maybe you are not running it from the shell after all |
| 19:59.18 | omar | i dont seem to have it on my testing machine |
| 19:59.20 | jumpship | eitan: sure |
| 19:59.21 | stew | omar: it Suggests: gnome-spell |
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| 19:59.32 | eitan | jumpship: ok I'm there. |
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| 20:00.21 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, I ran the command "firefox" through ssh -Y |
| 20:00.23 | sudo_maddash | !find libgnome-bloat-spell |
| 20:00.38 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'libgnome-bloat-spell' returned no results. |
| 20:00.45 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: then it's installed on the server |
| 20:00.58 | omar | ah, found it in the prefs., but i dont have any dictionaries listed |
| 20:01.07 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, only plain firefox it on the server |
| 20:01.22 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: if you open some "save" dialog do you see files on the server or on the client? |
| 20:01.38 | Gokee2 | if I close all firefoxes on the local computer and then run the firefox command in ssh again I get the servers firefox |
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| 20:02.21 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: yes, firefox is like that. presumably it detects some X resource in use and uses X to tell it to open a new window. |
| 20:02.21 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, client. And the ssh firefox command is "done" eq it gives me a newline to put in more commands. |
| 20:02.47 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, Hmmm any way to stop it from doing that? |
| 20:02.47 | gmcinnes_ | mm. If my kernel has gone away due to apt misfortune, what is the metapackage I should install to get it back? |
| 20:02.50 | SerajewelKS | Gokee2: you can't run two firefoxes in the same X session, no matter where they are running. which IMO is incredibly stupid. |
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| 20:03.05 | dav_ | hello |
| 20:03.12 | Guerin | gmcinnes_: the solution is to not use the metapackages. |
| 20:03.13 | SerajewelKS | gmcinnes_: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6 if you are on etch/sid |
| 20:03.33 | gmcinnes_ | ah. hmm. that's what I've done, but its not helping. |
| 20:03.38 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: works for me |
| 20:03.48 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: eh? |
| 20:03.52 | dav_ | i m looking for a simple way to convert avi file (that can't be read by my home dvd) to mpeg (mor easily readable) or directly in dvd format |
| 20:04.00 | dav_ | one of u ever do that ? |
| 20:04.02 | Gokee2 | SerajewelKS, Its very annoying... I print from my servers firefox because I don`t print much and am too lazy to make shareing work |
| 20:04.03 | Guerin | SerajewelKS: two firefoxen |
| 20:04.13 | gmcinnes_ | yeah, but mkinitramfs-kpkg is dying. :( |
| 20:04.14 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: has never worked for me |
| 20:04.25 | SerajewelKS | Guerin: you can get two windows from the same process |
| 20:04.28 | omar | what about grammar? |
| 20:04.42 | Guerin | Gokee2: there's no work in making print sharing work |
| 20:04.48 | SerajewelKS | dav_: avidemux maybe |
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| 20:05.09 | Guerin | omar: all grammar checkers are about as bad as getting a 12 year-old to edit your work |
| 20:05.20 | omar | ah |
| 20:05.43 | dav_ | SerajewelKS, i have it but i m not able to use it very difficult |
| 20:05.43 | Gokee2 | Guerin, You have to click add printer and do some things.... Thats work :) |
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| 20:06.05 | Guerin | Gokee2: because the fucking around your doing now isn't work, and moreover, it's not work *for us* |
| 20:06.05 | SerajewelKS | dav_: if avidemux is too complicated than maybe you should get someone else to do it for you... and i'm not trying to be mean, i'm dead serious |
| 20:06.10 | petemc | dav_: if you convert the avi yourself, dvd styler will make the dvd, the only app i know that does transcoding and authoring is dvd flick, open source but windows only atm i think |
| 20:06.16 | Guerin | dav_: media is hard. |
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| 20:06.30 | petemc | transconding is a pain in the ass |
| 20:06.34 | bodq | hey |
| 20:06.36 | petemc | coding |
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| 20:06.56 | bodq | my m-a can't get my kernel version, because there is not "2.6.xx" string in version.h |
| 20:07.41 | bodq | any ideas? |
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| 20:08.11 | stew | bodq: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:08.42 | bodq | stew , that's a custom kernel |
| 20:08.50 | bodq | 2.6.18 with patches |
| 20:08.58 | Guerin | bodq: use the source from which you built it, then |
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| 20:09.15 | xand | sauces! |
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| 20:10.49 | gmcinnes_ | this blows. |
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| 20:10.55 | Mitja | Is it possible to get multiple dirs by ftp? |
| 20:10.58 | bodq | Guerin: I do! |
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| 20:11.08 | Guerin | Mitja: yes. |
| 20:11.11 | bodq | Guerin: it's juat m-a can't find the versiion |
| 20:11.19 | bodq | Guerin: because it's not in version.h any more |
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| 20:11.25 | haggz | /dpkg repositories |
| 20:11.26 | Mitja | Guerin: even recursively? |
| 20:11.33 | Guerin | Mitja: of course |
| 20:11.39 | Guerin | been possible for decades |
| 20:12.06 | stew | bodq: do you have the -headers package for your kernel installed? |
| 20:12.07 | Mitja | Guerin: how? |
| 20:12.07 | bodq | stew: YES |
| 20:12.07 | Guerin | Mitja: depends on your client |
| 20:12.14 | Guerin | bodq: why would your kernel not contain a version string? |
| 20:12.17 | stew | bodq: where is it looking for version.h? |
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| 20:12.24 | Guerin | bodq: that seems likely to break a bunch of stuff |
| 20:12.28 | bodq | stew: it has been moved to a different file |
| 20:12.37 | bodq | Guerin: not my fault, I didn't move it. |
| 20:12.40 | stew | bodq: where is it looking for version.h? |
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| 20:13.21 | bodq | stew: /usr/src/linux-`uname -r` |
| 20:13.31 | bodq | or linux-headers-`uname -r` |
| 20:13.34 | stew | bodq: how did you determine that? |
| 20:13.43 | norc | stew: `uname -r` determines |
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| 20:14.00 | norc | stew: everything within `` is evaluated first |
| 20:14.02 | bodq | stew: that's not me!!! that's m-a |
| 20:14.05 | maddash | is there some way to pipe the contents of dd across ssh? |
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| 20:14.10 | bodq | m-a = module assistant |
| 20:14.10 | wouterrr | Hello. |
| 20:14.18 | bodq | wtf |
| 20:14.22 | Guerin | maddash: of course |
| 20:14.23 | wouterrr | I have a sickening problem. |
| 20:14.25 | bodq | nobody reads the question any more on #debian? |
| 20:14.28 | norc | maddash: use nfs ? |
| 20:14.30 | wouterrr | I have compiled ALSA into the kernel as module. Modules get |
| 20:14.30 | wouterrr | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.32 | wouterrr | [21:01]<wouter__> Kernel is: Linux courage 2.6.19.3-banaan |
| 20:14.41 | norc | maddash: for example, you could also use samba |
| 20:14.43 | wouterrr | I've searched like a mad man |
| 20:14.48 | Chty | someone is able to encode video with audio mpeg4 under vlc ? |
| 20:14.50 | wouterrr | No errors or whatsoever |
| 20:14.57 | Guerin | wouterrr: /msg dpkg audio |
| 20:15.12 | wouterrr | I'm running testing |
| 20:15.25 | Guerin | wouterrr: why are you not running a debian kernel? |
| 20:15.29 | wouterrr | And i've configured ALSA quite some times... Problem: no debug messages, errors, nothing! |
| 20:15.31 | maddash | norc: thanks |
| 20:15.49 | wouterrr | I can configure the sound with alsamixer, run alsaconf, compiled into kernel and especially not installed the alsa-base and other crap |
| 20:15.54 | wouterrr | It just _won't_ work |
| 20:16.05 | wouterrr | esound is not running (Currently using Gnome instead of CTWM) |
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| 20:16.10 | norc | maddash: it wouldnt be through ssh, but it will work |
| 20:16.21 | Guerin | wouterrr: i guess you have your speakers unplugged |
| 20:16.23 | stew | maddash: dd if=sourcefile | ssh user@remotehost sh -c "cat > /dest/file" |
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| 20:16.57 | wouterrr | Guering: Hehe... I've checked it already. Fact of the matter is... I reinstalled Debian just this afternoon. one of my disks died so i had to reinstall |
| 20:17.08 | Ny-Ty | i like debian :P |
| 20:17.08 | wouterrr | Only difference is the new kernel and new desktop |
| 20:17.12 | Ny-Ty | but small wrong |
| 20:17.20 | Guerin | wouterrr: change back |
| 20:17.24 | wouterrr | ... |
| 20:17.47 | Guerin | wouterrr: since the only change is the kernel, that's the point of failure. |
| 20:17.54 | wouterrr | And of course, a reinstall |
| 20:17.58 | wouterrr | New Debian release |
| 20:18.16 | Ny-Ty | nvidia in packages (drivers) are so old |
| 20:18.16 | Ny-Ty | :-) |
| 20:18.19 | Ny-Ty | i must install my own :-) |
| 20:18.19 | Guerin | well, strictly it's not, since you're running your own kernel which might be broken and crap |
| 20:18.32 | Guerin | Ny-Ty: blame nvidia corporation |
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| 20:18.51 | wouterrr | Well, that could be... But it is not because the default Debian kernel also did not work, but did too detect my soundcard :- ) |
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| 20:19.15 | wouterrr | And on the other machine it was also my custom compiled kernel and i kept my .config |
| 20:19.21 | maddash | stew: elegant |
| 20:19.23 | Guerin | wouterrr: ok. |
| 20:19.27 | wouterrr | And i used the same kernel on both machines |
| 20:19.35 | wouterrr | So it is something else |
| 20:19.44 | Guerin | wouterrr: what sound card? |
| 20:19.46 | wouterrr | Probably Gnome is spoiling my movienight |
| 20:19.49 | wouterrr | Audigy 2ZS |
| 20:20.01 | maddash | stew: I just discovered `dd if=infile| ssh usr@host dd of=outfile` though |
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| 20:20.15 | ofer0 | maddash, |
| 20:20.17 | maddash | linux modularity is so cool |
| 20:20.20 | stew | maddash: that works too |
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| 20:20.25 | Guerin | wouterrr: emu10k1? |
| 20:20.39 | wouterrr | snd_emu10k1 |
| 20:20.47 | ofer0 | tar file.txt -cj | ssh user@host tar -xj |
| 20:20.51 | ofer0 | and you have file.txt on the remote server |
| 20:21.10 | ofer0 | of course, with support to all tar's options |
| 20:21.15 | ofer0 | multiple files and directories, etc... |
| 20:21.17 | Guerin | wouterrr: yes. Is the emu10k1 module loaded as well (sometimes both are loaded by overzealous tools) |
| 20:21.21 | ofer0 | that's how I do incremental backups. |
| 20:21.42 | maddash | ofer0: hmm, that's even better. thanks |
| 20:21.43 | karsten | ofer0: That works a little better if you specify stdout, no? |
| 20:21.50 | fantomas | Hi. How to mount freebsd disk? This command: "mount -t ufs /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1 -o ufstype=44bsd,ro" doesn't work. 2.6.18-3 Etch kernel here. |
| 20:21.56 | rokfit | Cholito: I need to get wine working on 64bit, and on the wiki page I tried the suggested Debian method, but when I try to start wine it complains that there is X11 driver is missing! |
| 20:21.58 | wouterrr | Guerin: If i recal correctly emu10k1 became snd-emu10k1 |
| 20:22.07 | wouterrr | Hence, i can't even find the kernel module in the source with that name |
| 20:22.09 | ofer0 | karsten, doesn't really matter, if you don't specify "f" option in tar, it will direct the output to STDOUT. |
| 20:22.12 | gmcinnes_ | oh debian. why do you hate me so. |
| 20:22.13 | karsten | ofer0: tar cvf - <list> | ssh user@remotehost tar xvf - |
| 20:22.15 | Guerin | wouterrr: it did, which is why you must verify BOTH modules are not being loaded. |
| 20:22.16 | karsten | Ah.... |
| 20:22.20 | wouterrr | Ah |
| 20:22.25 | wouterrr | they are not loaded both :- ) |
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| 20:22.44 | Guerin | wouterrr: lsof |grep dsp |
| 20:22.48 | rokfit | Cholito: can you pm me? |
| 20:22.58 | Peggerr | I am still having the arp problems, some machines can see the mac when doing a arp but not all machine can see the others |
| 20:23.03 | wouterrr | Guerin: I've done that already, nothing :[ |
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| 20:23.27 | Guerin | wouterrr: the only thing I can think of is that you have your speakers plugged into the `mic' or `line in' port |
| 20:24.05 | Cholito | rokfit, wait |
| 20:24.15 | wouterrr | Guerin: Well, i did not change them this afternoon. But i'm going to check it once again. Thanks for your time. |
| 20:24.27 | Guerin | wouterrr: good luck. |
| 20:24.29 | wouterrr | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/snd/pcmC0D0p |
| 20:24.29 | wouterrr | deadcat: write error: File descriptor in bad state |
| 20:24.35 | wouterrr | That seems not so good :-) |
| 20:24.39 | Cholito | rokfit, and did you install the x drivers? |
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| 20:25.32 | wouterrr | Ah never mind |
| 20:25.39 | wouterrr | alsa library specs already explain |
| 20:25.49 | rgsteele | Man... |
| 20:26.10 | rgsteele | CUPS is always a royal PITA. I thought it was developed by the Easy Software Foundation? ;) |
| 20:26.34 | abrotman | !info printconf sarge |
| 20:26.44 | dpkg | printconf: (automatically configures USB and parallel printers with CUPS), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.7.4.14 (sarge), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
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| 20:27.23 | rgsteele | abrotman: It's via ethernet |
| 20:27.43 | abrotman | ethernet ? |
| 20:27.44 | rokfit | Cholito: which package is the X driver? |
| 20:27.58 | wouterrr | Hum... |
| 20:28.06 | Cholito | which gpu do you have? |
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| 20:29.11 | rokfit | gpu? |
| 20:29.17 | rokfit | oh nvidia 7600 |
| 20:29.21 | rokfit | gs |
| 20:29.49 | rokfit | Cholito: can you pm me? |
| 20:29.50 | Cholito | well, install the drivers for nvidia then and try again |
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| 20:30.05 | rokfit | nvidia-kernel driver is installed! |
| 20:30.09 | rokfit | so is nvidia-glx |
| 20:30.11 | Guerin | i find cups Just Works |
| 20:30.29 | Guerin | then again, i have a cheap shitty HP printer |
| 20:30.41 | Cholito | !tell rokfit about pm |
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| 20:31.33 | Cholito | rokfit, what the exact output? |
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| 20:33.08 | CharminTheMoose | how hard would it be to set up pam for login by copying the debian binary files? |
| 20:35.17 | rokfit | Cholito: http://pastebin.ca/343151 |
| 20:36.20 | Cholito | rokfit, then I have NFI |
| 20:36.24 | Cholito | sorry =( |
| 20:36.27 | rokfit | NFI? |
| 20:36.37 | Cholito | no fuckin' idea |
| 20:36.41 | rokfit | hahah |
| 20:36.44 | rokfit | okay |
| 20:36.45 | sanmarcos-trabaj | how can I make rules so that my tv tuner gets assigned /dev/video0 rather than my usb webcam getting that with udev? |
| 20:36.48 | Cholito | =)) |
| 20:37.12 | rokfit | i want to ask in winehq but i'm afraid vitamin is in there and he'll kick me again |
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| 20:39.07 | unsolo | what is the kernel driver for an intel 82545GM gigabit ethernet controller ? |
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| 20:41.06 | stew | unsolo: probably e1000, what does "lspci | grep 0200" have in the third column? something like 8086:1076? |
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| 20:41.14 | dendrite | unsolo: e1000? |
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| 20:41.37 | Edwin_Quijada | HI! |
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| 20:41.54 | unsolo | stew: nothing |
| 20:41.56 | Edwin_Quijada | What is the replacement for base-config in etch4 |
| 20:41.58 | Quintin | Anyone know any internet cafe software that's good? |
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| 20:42.05 | stew | unsolo: oh, i meant lspci -n |
| 20:42.15 | abrotman | Edwin_Quijada: there isn't |
| 20:42.23 | paddor_ | what's the diffrence between debootstrap and cdebootstrap? |
| 20:42.41 | Edwin_Quijada | I need add repository for my debian |
| 20:42.49 | Edwin_Quijada | I should do that manually? |
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| 20:42.51 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: editor /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 20:43.08 | unsolo | 0000:05:01.0 0200: 8086:1026 |
| 20:43.19 | Edwin_Quijada | stew: Exactly I didnt want it! |
| 20:43.20 | stew | unsolo: yeah, e1000 |
| 20:43.31 | unsolo | hmm |
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| 20:44.27 | Edwin_Quijada | where I can find the repository address? |
| 20:44.34 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: which? |
| 20:44.38 | Edwin_Quijada | Manually this stink |
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| 20:44.46 | stew | Edwin_Quijada: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 20:44.47 | Edwin_Quijada | every |
| 20:44.54 | unsolo | think i need to find the non manual whay to set up networking in debian |
| 20:44.55 | PAK-9 | if I have installed sarge stable, and I add "deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free" will it fuck up because I am mixing stable and testing sources? |
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| 20:45.26 | stew | PAK-9: yes. /msg dpkg backports |
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| 20:45.29 | unsolo | i have a e100 at eth3 but i tried starting eth0 |
| 20:45.32 | Edwin_Quijada | Why debian doesnt have ssh from install? |
| 20:45.32 | unsolo | err eth1 |
| 20:45.44 | stew | unsolo: note: e100 != e1000 |
| 20:45.50 | maddash | stew: what about vice-vers? |
| 20:45.54 | PAK-9 | fuck\ |
| 20:45.55 | maddash | stew: versa* |
| 20:45.57 | Edwin_Quijada | Linux without ssh sucks! |
| 20:46.19 | stew | maddash: ssh user@remotehost dd if=fromfile | dd of=tofile ? |
| 20:46.20 | PAK-9 | I want the nvidia drivers but they are only testing or unstable so what am I supposed to do? |
| 20:46.25 | unsolo | stew: yes different device |
| 20:46.37 | maddash | stew: no, with regards to your advice to PAK-9 |
| 20:46.38 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: linux has never had ssh; doesn't to this day. |
| 20:46.40 | unsolo | the e1000 was running |
| 20:46.50 | RichiH | gah |
| 20:46.54 | unsolo | whats the command to reconfigure network devices in debian |
| 20:46.58 | maddash | Guerin: i think he means openssh-* |
| 20:47.05 | stew | unsolo: editor /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:47.08 | Guerin | maddash: i think he means GNU/Linux |
| 20:47.14 | maddash | stew: ie, etch install with stable repos |
| 20:47.17 | RichiH | why the _fuck_ can't a dist-upgrade from stable to testing install the correct gpg keys for apt-secure? |
| 20:47.24 | RichiH | it's not exactly new or rocket science |
| 20:47.26 | stew | maddash: not as problematic, however there should not often be reason to do so |
| 20:47.31 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: debian doesn't have it because anyone who needs it is more than capable of installing it themselves |
| 20:47.38 | unsolo | stew: ahh so the manual whay is the correct way tnx |
| 20:47.42 | stew | RichiH: becuase there was no apt-secure in stable, apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:48.00 | PAK-9 | so I can add that source and apt-get the nvidia driver or cant I? |
| 20:48.11 | daxxar | Where should I put something that needs to run *after* networking is up and running (i.e. dhcp address recieved)? |
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| 20:48.13 | Ny-Ty | nvidia driver |
| 20:48.15 | Ny-Ty | wtf ? |
| 20:48.17 | RichiH | stew: and why does apt not depend on, or at least recommend debian-archive-keyring? |
| 20:48.21 | Ny-Ty | i installed it 1 hour ago |
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| 20:48.33 | stew | daxxar: in an "up" lin /etc/network/interfaces (man interfaces) |
| 20:48.41 | RichiH | stew: and no, debian-archive-keyring is in the newest version |
| 20:48.45 | Quintin | Anyone know any internet cafe software that's good? |
| 20:48.51 | stew | !depends apt etch |
| 20:48.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey |
| 20:48.52 | Edwin_Quijada | Guerin: Everybody needs |
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| 20:48.54 | stew | RichiH: apt-get update |
| 20:48.56 | dpkg | apt: depends on libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.1.1-12), libstdc++6 (>= 4.1.1-12), debian-archive-keyring |
| 20:49.05 | PAK-9 | what is your point Ny-Ty ? |
| 20:49.06 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: no, everybody most certainly does not need ssh |
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| 20:49.20 | Bsims | I can transfer a video to my ipod but it doesn't show up in the menus any ideas? |
| 20:49.22 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: exhibit a: practically every OS ever released to the public |
| 20:49.23 | Bsims | I tried amarok and gtkpod and thinliquid film |
| 20:49.24 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've run file on all files of debian (i386/all): http://gnu.ethz.ch/debian-file/ |
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| 20:49.39 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you tried playing kq yet? (kqlives.sf.net) |
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| 20:49.58 | daxxar | Thanks, stew. |
| 20:50.40 | Edwin_Quijada | Guerin: I have a few servers and without SSH for it is imposible becuase are remote |
| 20:50.40 | maddash | Quintin: I heard that http://google.com has a vast repository... |
| 20:50.51 | RichiH | stew: i edited soureces.list, did an update, a dist-upgrade and now, i can not verify packages. i will need to manually import the gpg key and it's not much work (because i _know_ what to do) - still, it is retarded not to automate this |
| 20:50.55 | Guerin | Edwin_Quijada: this is why you install it. |
| 20:51.03 | RichiH | stew: i will file a bug later, i guess |
| 20:51.11 | cbr | how can i disable the loading of the ipv6 module on startup? |
| 20:51.12 | stew | RichiH: no, if debian-archive-keyring is installed, then "apt-get update" should pick up the key |
| 20:51.12 | Quintin | maddash: Spam me at your peril, fiend. |
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| 20:51.29 | Guerin | RichiH: wrecker! hater! you're delaying the debian release with all your bugs! |
| 20:51.30 | stew | RichiH: does "apt-key list" not least the 2006 key? |
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| 20:51.35 | RichiH | stew: oupsie, you are right |
| 20:51.39 | maddash | Quintin: was that a threat? you're the one that double-posted across 2 channels |
| 20:51.40 | stew | oh wait, did the 2006 key expire yet? |
| 20:51.45 | stew | its going to |
| 20:51.52 | stew | expires: 2007-02-07 |
| 20:51.52 | Quintin | maddash: Maybe it was! |
| 20:51.53 | Guerin | RichiH: how are we supposed to keep up with ubunhatdraketoo with people like you around! |
| 20:52.02 | stew | it expires tomorrow |
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| 20:52.04 | stew | that should be fun |
| 20:52.20 | rpc | do you know if xen supports dual core in guest machines? |
| 20:52.28 | maddash | !ubunhatdraketoo |
| 20:52.31 | Guerin | maddash: Quintin is all hat and no cattle. |
| 20:52.34 | bubbz | Whats probally the best linux control panel besides webmin for linux |
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| 20:52.58 | maddash | Guerin: you jest with great wit, my friend. |
| 20:53.00 | Quintin | Guerin is like Santa. A lot of talk, but nothing in the sack. |
| 20:53.21 | Guerin | He can't even set up that ssh server with two sites on the same IP and same cert he claims is possible, just to prove that he can break the SSL protocol. |
| 20:53.28 | maddash | :O my debian cd's came from santa! |
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| 20:53.40 | Guerin | Quintin: you wish you had the chance to verify that statement ... oh, wait, you're a homophobe. |
| 20:53.45 | edju | I know nothing about hardware - hard drive died today, all of a sudden - not recognized by the BIOS. I can get a new one, but might it be something else, making the purchase useless? |
| 20:53.45 | Quintin | Guerin: eh, SSL you mean? |
| 20:53.49 | Guerin | ssl, yeah |
| 20:53.52 | Guerin | it's early |
| 20:53.53 | Quintin | Guerin: I'm not a homophobe. |
| 20:53.59 | Guerin | Quintin: you were yesterday |
| 20:54.02 | RichiH | stew: still, it should work without update, upgrade, update - of course if the newer apt downloads other files, there is no way around it |
| 20:54.04 | Quintin | Guerin: No. |
| 20:54.07 | RichiH | still, i am annoyed ;) |
| 20:54.12 | maddash | Guerin, Quintin: take it down a notch for the sake of #debian? |
| 20:54.21 | Quintin | Guerin: I have no fear of homosexuality. Just a dislike and disapproval. |
| 20:54.29 | stew | Quintin: Guerin: please keep it on topic |
| 20:54.36 | RichiH | Guerin: frankly, i don't care where the others are as long as debian does what i need |
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| 20:55.30 | Guerin | RichiH: i jest. It's frightening how many people think free software is about keeping up with the joneses. |
| 20:55.57 | rpc | do you know which virtualisation software supports dual core in guest machines? |
| 20:55.58 | Quintin | Guerin: No one important I hope. |
| 20:56.05 | maddash | rpc: qemu? |
| 20:56.18 | rpc | maddash qemu does? |
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| 20:56.42 | maddash | rpc: i think so |
| 20:56.55 | maddash | rpc: http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ "initial smp support on x86" |
| 20:57.01 | stew | RichiH: perhaps apt could contain a pointer that 'update' might be all that is needed when getting the key not available? |
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| 20:57.23 | rpc | maddash would you recommend qemu? over xen or vserver? |
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| 20:57.26 | tuvwx | is it normal for Xorg to take 160m RES memory? |
| 20:57.28 | tuvwx | everything i do causes lots of swapping. very annoying |
| 20:57.39 | Guerin | rpc: totally different tools. |
| 20:57.41 | cobar | is there anywhere i can still download the Woody installers? |
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| 20:57.46 | tobbeosx | im trying to compile a java-program but when i do, i get an exception: java.lang.classformaterror, is this a common problem with a simple solution? (libgcj.so.70) seems to have something to do with it |
| 20:57.52 | Guerin | cobar: yep. |
| 20:57.55 | maddash | rpc: I haven't the slightest clue. ask karsten. I just learned about qemu from him today. |
| 20:58.11 | rpc | maddash karsten recommended qemu? |
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| 20:58.47 | Guerin | tobbeosx: #java |
| 20:58.52 | stew | tobbeosx: generally that means the compiler is trying to open a .class file that was compiled with an incompatible compiler (a .class file for something you are importing) |
| 20:58.57 | maddash | rpc: though I recall reading that qemu is somewhat faster than your other virt software (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QEMU) |
| 20:59.20 | rpc | maddash hmm |
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| 21:00.04 | omry | trying to run a perl cgi script (mt.cgi) with fastcgi. I apt-got libapache2-mod-fastcgi, reloaded apache. but the cgi file is still being served as text. any idea? |
| 21:00.05 | tobbeosx | stew: so do i need to update my compiler? |
| 21:01.22 | stew | tobbeosx: well. you need to either recompile the .class files its complaining about, or find others that are compatible, or replace your compiler |
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| 21:01.53 | tobbeosx | stew: ok thank you |
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| 21:03.45 | rpc | maddash reading up on qemu - thanks alot |
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| 21:03.57 | maddash | rpc: no problem |
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| 21:06.06 | HardDisk_WP | n8 |
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| 21:09.47 | RichiH | stew: yah, it should probably do that |
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| 21:10.23 | RichiH | stew: i predict shitloads of people to come in here and complain about it as soon as etch releases |
| 21:10.24 | bubbz | Whats probally the best linux control panel besides webmin for linux |
| 21:10.40 | RichiH | webadmin considered harmful ;) |
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| 21:11.07 | stew | RichiH: yes, they already do |
| 21:11.25 | dr1v3r | guys whats the command to check the owner of a file/folder please? |
| 21:11.39 | amphi | ls -l |
| 21:12.37 | dr1v3r | tx :D |
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| 21:15.48 | LinuxHelp | Lets say I have a module installed in /usr/src/linux/modules/kqemu Now how do I build that module? |
| 21:16.40 | Guerin | LinuxHelp: by following the instructions given in the documentation, probably in a file called INSTALL |
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| 21:17.20 | LinuxHelp | Guerin, thanks. |
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| 21:20.39 | RichiH | stew: well, i will try and think of filing a bug, later |
| 21:21.30 | stew | RichiH: you konw that nothing is going to be done about this for etch at this point, right? :) |
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| 21:21.51 | RichiH | stew: well, i could try and get it tagged as release critical ;) |
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| 21:22.08 | stew | good luck with that :) |
| 21:22.13 | Guerin | RichiH: wrecker! hater! |
| 21:22.18 | RichiH | stew: basic problem is, the devs will not get all the requests, we will |
| 21:23.04 | stew | RichiH: nah, everyone who didn't read the release notes will read /topic when they join the channel, and they'll all know how to help themselves |
| 21:24.11 | RichiH | stew: hehe |
| 21:24.44 | stew | !etch key |
| 21:24.44 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 21:25.03 | stew | !etch key =~ s/keyring/keyring ; apt-get update/ |
| 21:25.04 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 21:25.40 | stew | !etch key =~ s/;/&&/ |
| 21:25.40 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 21:26.41 | maddash | why's dpkg emitting strange responses? |
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| 21:27.04 | Guerin | he is? |
| 21:27.09 | Guerin | i mean, more strange than usual? |
| 21:27.13 | maddash | "OK, stew"? |
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| 21:27.32 | Guerin | maddash: he's responding to a command, to say he's obeyed it |
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| 21:28.07 | stew | maddash: i just told dpkg to alter the 'etch key' factoid twice, and dpkg complied |
| 21:29.02 | maddash | stew: yes, i just realized you did something sed-ish with "=~" |
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| 21:30.01 | prower | Hello :> I seem to be having a problem with OpenOffice in etch...the spell check feature doesn't have any available dictionaries to select from, so essentially it doesn't work :/ Anyone know what I could install to fix this? |
| 21:31.42 | mentor | dpkg botsnack |
| 21:31.42 | dpkg | aw, gee, mentor |
| 21:31.44 | valdyn | prower: for which language? |
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| 21:32.14 | prower | valdyn: Just plain American english...I figured it would be in there already, but it's not |
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| 21:33.05 | valdyn | prower: oo.org 2.0? |
| 21:33.16 | prower | valdyn: Yeah, the version that's in testing currently |
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| 21:34.28 | prower | valdyn: Oh, never mind...I found it, just an option in locales I hadn't set :> Thanks |
| 21:34.31 | valdyn | prower: should be there. |
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| 21:35.28 | nweaver916 | anyone here using subversion/webSVN? |
| 21:35.53 | nweaver916 | or know of an IRC channel for subversion help? |
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| 21:36.22 | dr1v3r | how do i install a package if its a .bin file? |
| 21:36.38 | maddash | ew. autoinstall. |
| 21:36.47 | h3sp4wn | nweaver916: try #svn |
| 21:36.56 | Viper550 | Hello, I'm going to be setting up a virtual machine with Debian Etch on it so I can make a Morphix live CD |
| 21:37.03 | maddash | dr1v3r: you might have to run it. try `./ name.bin` |
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| 21:37.53 | dr1v3r | its gotta be compiled somehow i just dont know how my mate done it last time |
| 21:37.54 | dr1v3r | :( |
| 21:37.58 | kelt | hey what does it mean when you get you an error code 100 from apt? |
| 21:38.06 | LOLZebra | not sure |
| 21:39.43 | Viper550 | Man, I love your new installer |
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| 21:40.22 | Justin | Viper550: try installing solaris or another "real" unix sometime, you'll love it even more |
| 21:40.43 | Viper550 | I'm getting Solaris 10 shipped to me, possible for play in VMware too |
| 21:40.53 | tarzeau | Justin: i've also seen the case they hated it |
| 21:40.53 | Viper550 | Also, can I "not" type in a domain name? |
| 21:40.54 | Surferdude | anyone know a way to disable DMA entirely via kernel cmdline |
| 21:41.05 | tarzeau | Surferdude: linux kernel? |
| 21:41.08 | Guerin | Surferdude: dma=off? sometyhing like that |
| 21:41.16 | Surferdude | 2.6 kernel |
| 21:41.29 | Surferdude | dma=off should work? |
| 21:41.47 | Surferdude | i'll try it |
| 21:41.49 | Justin | tarzeau: hated the debian installer? ! |
| 21:42.07 | LLcoolM | hi, how can i create udev rules? |
| 21:42.10 | tarzeau | Justin: ah no got it wrong |
| 21:42.31 | LLcoolM | udevinfo always returns stuff like ATTRS{idvendor} instead of SYSFS{idvendor} |
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| 21:43.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope .. i was busy :) |
| 21:43.37 | Viper550 | I'm doing a net install |
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| 21:44.28 | tarzeau | abrotman: how do you like piano_concerto_no._26_in_d,_k._537_allegretto ? |
| 21:44.42 | abrotman | i haven't tried it |
| 21:44.57 | Viper550 | am I able to do package selection? |
| 21:44.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: and larlesienne_suite1_i_prelude ? |
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| 21:46.19 | xp_prg | I need to setup postgres 8.2.2 on debian, can someone help me to understand the easiest way to do that? |
| 21:46.40 | kelt | does anyone know what error code 100 for apt-get is from? |
| 21:46.47 | kelt | I googled it but I couldn't find anything on this :( |
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| 21:47.02 | Viper550 | anyone wanna hear my compliments about your new installer GUI? |
| 21:47.36 | dr1v3r | guys i get a message make-jpkg command not found when i try to use make-jpkg command, any ideas? |
| 21:47.49 | dr1v3r | i just dont know what package will support this |
| 21:47.50 | rahul | dr1v3r: try installing it? |
| 21:47.58 | rahul | !find bin/make-jpkg |
| 21:48.11 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/make-jpkg' (1): (/usr/bin/make-jpkg) in contrib/misc/java-package. |
| 21:48.14 | jstevens | dr1v3r: aptitude install it. |
| 21:48.34 | kelt | is there any where I can find the error codes for apt-get? |
| 21:48.55 | rahul | man apt-get |
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| 21:49.11 | rahul | seriously... |
| 21:49.44 | Viper550 | Now it's downloadin' my packages |
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| 21:49.48 | Guerin | ISTR them being 128+process return code |
| 21:49.49 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm at work! |
| 21:49.51 | Guerin | exit code or whatever you call it |
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| 21:50.58 | dr1v3r | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "make-jpkg" |
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| 21:51.21 | jstevens | dr1v3r: I think it's in java-package |
| 21:51.31 | dr1v3r | thats what i am trying to install, java |
| 21:51.53 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Yeah, 'aptitude install java-package' should give you make-jpkg. |
| 21:52.00 | jstevens | dr1v3r: I think. |
| 21:52.25 | dr1v3r | ahh right sorry i didnt understand at forst lol |
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| 21:53.13 | dr1v3r | no package :( |
| 21:53.15 | jstevens | dr1v3r: np, I just double checked. make-jpkg is in fact in the java-package package |
| 21:53.54 | dr1v3r | Couldn't find any package whose name or description matched "java-package" |
| 21:53.59 | abrotman | it's in contrib |
| 21:54.10 | jstevens | dr1v3r: It's in contrib. You need to have contrib at the end of your package sources in /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 21:54.29 | Viper550 | yeah, <psa announcer> have you enabled your repositories today? |
| 21:54.32 | dr1v3r | just contrib? |
| 21:54.56 | Viper550 | dr1v3r: Add a new line with Contrib at the end |
| 21:55.00 | cjl7 | hi all, can anybody help me sort my mind about my routing table please? |
| 21:55.19 | Alarm | hello, is there any way to avoid the online installation of debian ? i did download the 1dvd iso image, and tried to installed it from there. when i chose to install the desktop environment, it started to download packages. how can i make debian to install those things from the dvd ? (or the desktop environment is placed in the 2nd dvd) |
| 21:55.27 | stew | cjl7: if you have a question, just ask it |
| 21:55.35 | abrotman | tell it to use your DVD as the source |
| 21:55.36 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Something like this 'deb ftp://drone.int.mossycup.com/ etch main contrib non-free' |
| 21:55.43 | dr1v3r | a new line with just the word Contrib in it? or a url before it? if a url before it what url? |
| 21:55.57 | dr1v3r | i am using sarge still |
| 21:56.19 | cjl7 | I can't seem to get my box to use any other route then the default (wrong nic) one, I have two. Is it normal to have two default gw's, one for each nic? |
| 21:56.37 | tarzeau | but seriously is the 2nd row unaligned? http://people.debian.org/~rmh/goodbye-microsoft/screenshots/5.png |
| 21:56.41 | Viper550 | dr1v3r: sorry, haven't used Debian in awhile |
| 21:56.51 | jstevens | dr1v3r: That's fine. Leave the sarge there but add contrib. |
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| 21:56.52 | tarzeau | abrotman: doesn't it look poor and amateurish? |
| 21:56.54 | Kevin` | yay I have etch running on my pda :) |
| 21:57.06 | tarzeau | i can do it better without gtk |
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| 21:57.32 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Is that working for you? |
| 21:57.37 | dr1v3r | can i have any url then? |
| 21:57.49 | cjl7 | I can ping the gw but traceroute will never use the one I want... |
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| 21:58.15 | mx-zoom | is there any repo for the experimental release or if you want smething from there you have to get the files 1 by 1? |
| 21:58.16 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Sorry, yes, leave the url at the beginning the same. |
| 21:58.26 | dr1v3r | ok thanx will try it now |
| 21:58.48 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Something like this 'deb <your-choice-of-repository> sarge main contrib non-free' |
| 21:59.11 | SeanTater | I'm reading a few near-perfect CDs, that play without problems on other computers, but I get stuff like this http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4486/ and http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/4479/ all the time and itfreezes my computer -- can I fix that? |
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| 21:59.30 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Check out the sources.list man page when you can. That will clear up the syntax for you. |
| 21:59.36 | Kevin` | SeanTater I assume your not asking an ubuntu question in #debian? |
| 21:59.58 | dr1v3r | i got load sof errors from my package lists now |
| 21:59.58 | cjl7 | anybody to the rescue? |
| 22:00.03 | SeanTater | Kevin`: nope, not Ubuntu, their pastebin is just faster |
| 22:00.08 | mx-zoom | Kevin`: him using the ubuntu pastebin doesn't mean he uses ubuntu |
| 22:00.25 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Go ahead an update again. The errors should clear. |
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| 22:00.59 | cjl7 | if I would like to ask a network related question am I in the right place? |
| 22:01.02 | ma3x | when I delete something on ext3 partition, is it restorable afterwards? or no way? |
| 22:01.08 | tarzeau | cjl7: if you use debian, yes |
| 22:01.13 | Kevin` | SeanTater could it be a problem with your drive? |
| 22:01.21 | Kevin` | SeanTater or loose cable? |
| 22:01.30 | dr1v3r | nope errors still there when i apt-get update |
| 22:01.39 | stew | cjl7: you can't hvae more than one default gateway per routing table, if you need more than one upstream, you need more than one routing table |
| 22:01.49 | stew | cjl7: do you have multiple upstream connections? |
| 22:01.50 | jstevens | Mmm... can you paste in a single error? |
| 22:02.10 | SeanTater | Kevin`: I think it may possibly be the drive but it didn't do this when I use Ubuntu, just Debian.. |
| 22:02.25 | dr1v3r | i think i know why 1 second |
| 22:02.29 | Viper550 | I've got about 33 packages to go on the download |
| 22:02.42 | Kevin` | SeanTater same program in each? |
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| 22:02.54 | jstevens | Does anybody know why the subkeys.pgp.net keyservers don't sync with the pgp.mit.edu keyserver? |
| 22:02.59 | cjl7 | stew: that's what I thought, but removing the faulty one and adding a new -net ... doesn't do it... I thought it should go on "best match" when choosing gw?? |
| 22:03.04 | SeanTater | Kevin`: nope -- even cp has this problem and it shows up in dmesg |
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| 22:03.30 | jstevens | Is pgp.mit.edu off in it's own world? |
| 22:03.32 | Kevin` | SeanTater odd. i'd try updating the kernel, probably can't hurt :) |
| 22:03.40 | tarzeau | jstevens: no it also has its mirrors |
| 22:03.40 | dr1v3r | well sorted the update error, now i get the original error of the java-package not found |
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| 22:03.48 | tarzeau | jstevens: err places that it syncs with |
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| 22:04.08 | stew | cjl7: no, it won't do anything like that. if you want more than one default gw: /msg dpkg split access ; otherwise you should only ahve one "gateway" line in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 22:04.13 | SeanTater | Kevin`: I'm using etch and I just updated last week -- the kernel is new, AFAIK |
| 22:04.30 | Kevin` | does debian-arm use soft or hard floating point emulation? |
| 22:04.40 | jstevens | tarzeau: Are they two different networks? |
| 22:05.02 | tarzeau | jstevens: i guess more than two |
| 22:05.23 | jstevens | tarzeau: Any thoughts on which is 'better'? :^) |
| 22:05.23 | SeanTater | Kevin`: kernel is up-to-date it seems |
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| 22:05.51 | tarzeau | jstevens: anyone giving you the key you want? |
| 22:06.01 | tarzeau | jstevens: wherever the person you want to contact did upload it |
| 22:06.02 | Kevin` | SeanTater hmm wait, your playing a cd, and it has a filesystem on it? |
| 22:06.05 | cjl7 | stew: I have two nic's (and networks), how do I add a gw to them? I need one "default" but what about the other network? |
| 22:06.18 | jstevens | tarzeau: As far as uploading my own key. |
| 22:06.21 | tarzeau | cjl7: the other is just called a route |
| 22:06.24 | SeanTater | Kevin`: just copying a file off a iso9660 cd.. |
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| 22:06.32 | tarzeau | cjl7: what do you want to do? some sort of load balancing? |
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| 22:06.35 | Kevin` | it's just a normal data cd? |
| 22:06.42 | SeanTater | Kevin`: yes |
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| 22:06.52 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Is java-package available in sarge? Perhaps it has a different package name... |
| 22:07.09 | tarzeau | jstevens: yes it is. no it's the right name |
| 22:07.11 | stew | cjl7: are they two nics on different subnets? or the same subnet? |
| 22:07.11 | SeanTater | Kevin`: but it's happened a dozen times and it doesn't affect other cd drives |
| 22:07.20 | kantor | hi , why are problems setting up the capture timeout for pcapy in debian , or maybe in linux in generally , because in freebsd works |
| 22:07.28 | cjl7 | tarzeau: nope, just add a route to a different network. I have tried to do "route add -net my-network/my-mask gw my-gw" but it doesnt work |
| 22:07.43 | cjl7 | stew: on different networks |
| 22:08.04 | tarzeau | cjl7: you dang something wrang! |
| 22:08.10 | stew | cjl7: if both have connections to the internet, you need to setup split access, /msg dpkg split access |
| 22:08.23 | dr1v3r | i dont know jstevens. it shpuld be i am sure it was once before |
| 22:08.27 | jstevens | dr1v3r: still no dice? |
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| 22:09.48 | dr1v3r | http://packages.debian.org/stable/source/java-package |
| 22:09.53 | dr1v3r | yea its still included |
| 22:10.05 | abrotman | it's in contrib |
| 22:10.32 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Mmm... Can you paste your deb line from sources.list |
| 22:10.34 | tarzeau | abrotman: like it's not in debian (not on cd) |
| 22:10.38 | Kevin` | http://pastebin.ca/343244 - any ideas why X is failing to start? |
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| 22:11.13 | abrotman | tarzeau: and? |
| 22:11.16 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 22:11.17 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 22:11.25 | tarzeau | Kevin`: yes, invalid argument |
| 22:11.37 | Kevin` | ya what does it mean, and how do I fix it |
| 22:11.41 | abrotman | java-package is on CD #13 |
| 22:11.54 | tarzeau | Kevin`: it means you have an invalid argument. you put a valid argument |
| 22:12.01 | Kevin` | put it where |
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| 22:12.14 | tarzeau | Kevin`: in /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 22:12.24 | Kevin` | where in that file |
| 22:12.33 | tarzeau | Kevin`: can you show your file? |
| 22:12.39 | Kevin` | yes |
| 22:13.03 | LLcoolM | any idea why my udev rules do not work? |
| 22:13.15 | Kevin` | http://kwzs.be/~kevin/xorg.conf |
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| 22:13.31 | cjl7 | stew: can't I force a target to use a specific route? like setting up "route add -host <ip-addr>/32 gw <ip-addr>"? |
| 22:13.48 | Nomad | http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=526179 <- any ideas? I've tried some generic sounding drivers, but nothing seems to work. they all either fail to load or modprobe encounters an error. |
| 22:13.57 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Can you show me your 'deb' line from your sources.list file? Perhaps there is an error in it. |
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| 22:14.40 | tarzeau | Kevin`: you really want to use fbdev driver? |
| 22:14.56 | Kevin` | yes, unless you can find a better one :) |
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| 22:15.06 | Kevin` | since fb console is working, i'm tempted to just use this |
| 22:15.07 | tarzeau | Kevin`: what video card do you have? |
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| 22:15.09 | abrotman | Nomad: did you try linux26 or the etch installer ? |
| 22:15.21 | Nomad | Abrotman: What are those? |
| 22:15.26 | abrotman | !ig |
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| 22:15.26 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 22:15.27 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 22:15.28 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
| 22:15.31 | vydd | hi.....has anyone succesfully installed Lexmark E120 on etch? |
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| 22:16.05 | Guerin | vydd: /msg dpkg printer |
| 22:16.23 | tarzeau | vydd: using cups? can it do networking and postscript? |
| 22:16.33 | dr1v3r | jstevens http://pastebin.ca/343250 |
| 22:16.33 | Kevin` | tarzeau lcd controller built in to xscale pxa270 |
| 22:16.49 | crazy_penguin | Good night all! |
| 22:16.53 | dr1v3r | jstevens the last line gives me errors i am trying to fix that |
| 22:17.13 | vydd | hm....well, the problem is that it worked on sarge....and when I upgraded to etch (leaving cups configs untouched) it stopped working |
| 22:17.31 | cjl7 | stew: thank's, I'll look into split-networks tomorrow. |
| 22:17.47 | stew | cjl7: you can add a specific route like that, yes |
| 22:17.52 | Stumbles | hi, i've just upgraded machine and have tried to put my PATA drive into the new comp. It boots the kernel ok, but doesn't manage to load the root filesystem from lvm. Is this something to do with the SATA controller perhaps? |
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| 22:17.54 | stew | cjl7: but that isn't a default route |
| 22:18.12 | abrotman | dr1v3r: i told you a few times that java-package is in contrib |
| 22:18.16 | cjl7 | stew: I know, bad description from the beginning... |
| 22:18.17 | abrotman | !tell dr1v3r about contrib |
| 22:18.31 | Kevin` | tarzeau ? |
| 22:19.02 | cjl7 | stew: if I have one internal network and one extenal (default gw for the external) and set up a network route the the internal one dhould that work? |
| 22:19.07 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Ahh, yeah, you essentially have some duplicates in your sources.list. |
| 22:19.08 | vydd | I installed it as if it was Optra E with hpijs driver....and it worked....but now it doesn't....hm...what's foomatic? |
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| 22:19.11 | tarzeau | Kevin`: heh, no idea |
| 22:19.22 | stew | cjl7: yes, and in that case the internal network card should have no gateway assigned |
| 22:19.58 | cjl7 | stew: in /etc/networking/interfaces?! |
| 22:19.59 | jstevens | dr1v3r: You see how some lines begin with deb and other deb-src? |
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| 22:20.22 | tarzeau | Kevin`: X -configure doesn't get you something working? |
| 22:20.37 | jstevens | dr1v3r: The lines that begin w/ deb tell apt where to DL packages. The lines that begin with deb-src tell apt were to download uncompiled source packages. |
| 22:20.38 | stew | cjl7: correct |
| 22:20.43 | rilat | Kevin` Option "UseFBDev" "false" ? |
| 22:21.04 | jstevens | dr1v3r: You added 'contrib' to a deb-src line. |
| 22:21.10 | cjl7 | stew: thank's mate! |
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| 22:21.30 | Kevin` | rilat what will that do? trying it now |
| 22:21.54 | jstevens | dr1v3r: add 'contrib' to line 6 |
| 22:22.13 | Kevin` | rilat same error |
| 22:22.20 | rilat | Kevin` hmmm... |
| 22:22.21 | abrotman | dr1v3r: add contrib to an actual source line |
| 22:22.28 | Surferdude | Anyone know how to enable the web interfae on the debian CUPS package |
| 22:22.35 | Surferdude | *interface |
| 22:22.39 | jstevens | dr1v3r: You'll also want to add it to the line 12 where you get your secrutity updates. |
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| 22:23.24 | dr1v3r | abrotman yea i know its in contrib, but what url do i put in there |
| 22:23.38 | jstevens | dr1v3r: The url stays the same |
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| 22:23.40 | Amig0 | hi |
| 22:23.47 | abrotman | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib |
| 22:23.48 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Add 'contrib' to line 6. |
| 22:23.49 | Amig0 | is any freenode staff around? |
| 22:23.54 | abrotman | Amig0: try #freenode |
| 22:23.59 | abrotman | Amig0: or /stats p |
| 22:24.13 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Or line 3 as abrotman suggests. |
| 22:24.19 | tarzeau | Surferdude: it's enabled by default? |
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| 22:24.25 | tarzeau | Surferdude: just localhost:631 ? |
| 22:24.31 | tarzeau | Surferdude: ubuntu disables it.... |
| 22:24.39 | Amig0 | abrotman: ok :) |
| 22:25.25 | jstevens | dr1v3r: You have multiple repositories configured which isn't necessary. Once we get you installed with java-package, you should do some reading on apt and sources.list. |
| 22:26.27 | Surferdude | not using ubuntu |
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| 22:26.35 | Viper550 | Wow, the default Etch desktop is quite nice |
| 22:26.43 | Surferdude | localhost:631 gives a 403 |
| 22:26.50 | grummund | hi, any views on apt-proxy vs. apt-cacher? I've been googling on this but still not decided whats best for my setup |
| 22:26.54 | Viper550 | p.s. the new Purple crux is awesome! |
| 22:27.15 | dr1v3r | ok i got it guys. sorry for being dumb then |
| 22:27.47 | jstevens | dr1v3r: You just need to read a bit about how apt works. That's all. |
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| 22:28.25 | rilat | Surferdude is cupsys running? |
| 22:28.29 | vydd | hm... still no luck with getting my printer to work.......installed foomatic-gui, selected the recommended driver, tried to print test-page...and nothing happened :( |
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| 22:28.43 | dr1v3r | i know |
| 22:28.47 | Surferdude | rilat:yes |
| 22:28.53 | bier_ | is there an easy way to find out when (date) debian was installed? |
| 22:28.58 | dr1v3r | well back off to install this stuff. |
| 22:29.10 | dr1v3r | thank you again everyone that helped its appreciated |
| 22:29.15 | dkr | how do I tell xchat to open links in iceweasel instead of epiphany? (I do have gnome "preferred applications" set to iceweasel, and it use to work before recent(week-ish) etch update |
| 22:29.17 | jstevens | dr1v3r: Great, so java-package is installed? |
| 22:29.35 | abrotman | dkr: make it your preferred app |
| 22:29.37 | dkr | oh, duh, i frogot about "advanced" settings |
| 22:29.46 | dr1v3r | yea jstevens |
| 22:29.47 | dkr | abrotman: re-read my question. I did that. :) |
| 22:29.55 | abrotman | dkr: in xchat |
| 22:29.55 | jstevens | dr1v3r: excellent! g'luck! |
| 22:29.58 | dr1v3r | just need to fakeroot the package and i am away |
| 22:29.59 | abrotman | and make sure you have xchat-gnome |
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| 22:30.19 | rilat | Surferdude nmap -p631 localhost ? |
| 22:30.23 | dkr | abrotman: yeah, I guess I had overriden url event handler at one point to use firefox |
| 22:30.31 | zamuro | plays: "Amon Amarth - Versus The World - 08 - Bloodshed.mp3" |
| 22:30.39 | dr1v3r | thanx jstevens |
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| 22:30.45 | sanmarcos-t2 | is it possible to bridge two dsl connections in one? |
| 22:30.52 | sanmarcos-t2 | a calbe and a dsl connection, then serve it to a local network? |
| 22:31.18 | Guerin | NP: "we fucking hate announce scripts.mp3 - zamuro is a twat" |
| 22:31.22 | redbox | sanmarcos-t2: with some cisco skills |
| 22:31.24 | Surferdude | um, how would that help? |
| 22:31.35 | sanmarcos-t2 | how much are we talking about redbox ? |
| 22:31.38 | Surferdude | i know the server is running, just need it to display the page |
| 22:31.51 | rilat | Surferdude to check if it is listening... |
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| 22:32.02 | redbox | sanmarcos-t2: you'd need a cisco with two wic's and would need to bridge them |
| 22:32.12 | sanmarcos-t2 | why cisco, cant it be done with linux |
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| 22:32.28 | rilat | Surferdude no... you are right... i is already doing it... sorry... |
| 22:32.28 | redbox | sanmarcos-t2: probably can be, but cisco > * for what you want to do. |
| 22:32.41 | anapivirtua_ | Night. |
| 22:32.42 | sanmarcos-t2 | redbox, how many grand? |
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| 22:32.54 | redbox | sanmarcos-t2: not sure, ebay |
| 22:33.17 | suv | is cisco still alive? |
| 22:33.29 | redbox | is google a search engine? |
| 22:33.38 | CBke | hi, i get : Failed to fetch file:/media/cdrom0/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.6.8-i386/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386_2.6.8.Areca.1.20.0X.08_i386.deb is the "Areca.1.20.0X."-part normal? |
| 22:33.42 | suv | a spammer I think |
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| 22:34.28 | Guerin | CBke: that would be a custom kernel package |
| 22:34.28 | dkr | oh, I figured out what happened. I had 'open in new tab' set to firefox, but new version of xchat has inserted some new right click menu options like 'open in new browser' above that. but advanced settings only has the one for new tab listed... I hate when easily configurable stuff gets hardcoded like that |
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| 22:34.58 | itrebal | is there a way to find out if a system isrunning selinux? |
| 22:35.41 | redbox | itrebal: I think uname -a would show it |
| 22:36.00 | CBke | Guerin: and is there a "standard"-one for debian of does it also have patches like RH? |
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| 22:36.13 | itrebal | hrmm... |
| 22:36.26 | itrebal | I think I'm experiencing symptoms of SELinux :/ but uname -a doesn't show it |
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| 22:36.30 | Guerin | CBke: all debian stuff is patched to conform to debian's policy |
| 22:36.45 | redbox | itrebal: symptoms? |
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| 22:36.58 | suv | is SElinux fron the NSA? |
| 22:37.03 | redbox | suv: yes |
| 22:37.03 | Guerin | itrebal: debian kernels have selinux built in, but it's not active unless you make it so. |
| 22:37.07 | suv | O_o |
| 22:37.08 | itrebal | redbox: yea, as in.. normal users can't chown and things... hrmm |
| 22:37.10 | itrebal | Suprano: yea |
| 22:37.19 | Guerin | itrebal: normal users can never chown |
| 22:37.19 | LLcoolM | how to write udev rules for debian etch? |
| 22:37.21 | CBke | Guerin: k how do i install the debian conformed one? |
| 22:37.21 | Suprano | uH? |
| 22:37.35 | Guerin | CBke: aptitude search linux-image |
| 22:38.00 | CBke | Guerin: this gives no results |
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| 22:38.08 | itrebal | Guerin: really? I thought they could.... hrmm... heh, nevermind :) just kiddind :D |
| 22:38.16 | CBke | Guerin: sorry my bad |
| 22:38.19 | Guerin | CBke: then you have no debian sources |
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| 22:39.47 | CBke | Guerin: i typed linux should have been kernel. I want a stable on, but since i run 2.4 at the moment i guess 2.6 isn;t concidered stable yet? |
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| 22:40.31 | stew | CBke: there is a stable 2.6 kernel in sarge: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 22:40.52 | CBke | stew: k thx |
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| 22:42.16 | Guerin | CBke: oh, yeah, sorry. Stable they were called kernel-image |
| 22:42.19 | Surferdude | doesnt look like debian even loads a cups config file |
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| 22:44.51 | ponyofdeath | hi, how can i get the openvpn tun device to start before the shorewall firewall so shorewall does not crash? |
| 22:45.06 | dkr | Surferdude: hrm, mine was enabled by default. I just went to localhost:631 in browser |
| 22:45.16 | dkr | Surferdude: usnig etch? |
| 22:45.24 | Phil4 | ponyofdeath@ I |
| 22:45.26 | Phil4 | eh |
| 22:45.41 | Phil4 | ponyofdeath: I'd add it's start command to the shorewall init script |
| 22:45.45 | Phil4 | *its |
| 22:45.52 | dkr | Surferdude: /etc/init.d/cupsys start ? |
| 22:46.42 | Surferdude | dkr: its started, but the daemon isnt reading any config file |
| 22:46.47 | Surferdude | which is very very weird |
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| 22:47.46 | Surferdude | and in cupsd.conf all of the directives are comented out |
| 22:48.22 | dkr | ah, i was just going to say you should see Listen localhost:631 in cupsd.conf |
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| 22:49.17 | dkr | have you used any of the gui printer config frontends? maybe they modified the conf |
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| 22:50.47 | Surferdude | if by gui you mean gnome than its not an option due to my processing power |
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| 22:53.08 | CBke | Guerin: and how can i findout which modules where buildin since last time? the module arcmsr is loaded now, so i guess the server would't boot since it only had scsi disks |
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| 22:53.27 | ponyofdeath | Phil4: yeah dont want to hard code anything like that i seen that /etc/default/shorewall has wait till interface thing but that seems not to work since tun device is init after shorewall |
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| 22:54.06 | vydd | Guerin, tarzeau: thanks for your help....I managed to installed my printer....it still looks like a voodoo, but hey... :) |
| 22:54.15 | vydd | s/installed/install |
| 22:54.18 | Caelum | any way to get adobe flash player to work through esd? |
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| 22:59.36 | Guerin | CBke: no, it only does alsa. |
| 22:59.43 | Guerin | Caelum: no, it only does alsa. |
| 22:59.52 | Guerin | CBke: no idea there. |
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| 23:01.22 | cipri | hi, does someone how to send commands to the bash (shell) from a c/c++ program ? |
| 23:01.36 | cipri | hi, does someone know how to send commands to the bash (shell) from a c/c++ program ? |
| 23:02.17 | Phil4 | cipri: /join ##C |
| 23:02.25 | RvGaTe | Any guides on how to compile the 2.6.20 kernel for debian etch ? |
| 23:02.25 | cipri | ok |
| 23:02.26 | Caelum | Guerin: I see, thank you. Alsa has a way to do software sound mixing right? |
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| 23:03.45 | stew | !dmix |
| 23:03.46 | dpkg | somebody said dmix was an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 23:04.54 | vydd | RvGaTe, isn't it the same as compiling it for any other distro? and....hm, why do you want 2.6.20? |
| 23:04.55 | eonbleuz | hey umm i think i broke upon my insides |
| 23:05.02 | eonbleuz | i deleted something from /var/cache |
| 23:05.05 | eonbleuz | an apt dir |
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| 23:05.11 | eonbleuz | and now apt if f***ed |
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| 23:05.22 | Ronin | what on earth did you do that for eonbleuz ? |
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| 23:05.30 | RvGaTe | vydd, dunno, i wanted to try and see if i could compile a new kernel, and the latest versions happens to be 2.6.20 |
| 23:05.45 | Caelum | stew: thank you |
| 23:06.04 | RvGaTe | vydd, i just cant find a clear guide |
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| 23:06.18 | RvGaTe | vydd, not even on www.kernel.org |
| 23:06.47 | vydd | RvGaTe, I think that good docs come with source |
| 23:07.07 | eonbleuz | Ronin: Apt was sitting there not doing anything when i did apt-get update |
| 23:07.14 | eonbleuz | i thought the var/cache needed to be purged |
| 23:07.43 | eonbleuz | so yeah is there a deb or something for apt |
| 23:07.45 | eonbleuz | or a tarball |
| 23:09.34 | delire | RvGaTe: http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian |
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| 23:10.27 | RvGaTe | delire, i tried that one, and im getting errors at the make menuconfig part |
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| 23:11.06 | RvGaTe | make: *** [menuconfig] Error 2 |
| 23:11.25 | RvGaTe | make[1]: *** [scripts/kconfig/lxdialog/checklist.o] Error 1 |
| 23:11.50 | delire | RvGaTe: install libncurses5-dev |
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| 23:12.01 | delire | .. perhaps |
| 23:12.17 | AndroidDat1 | problem: apt-get gives me an error "kernel-image-2.4.27-3-386: Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) but it is not installable" |
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| 23:12.33 | AndroidDat1 | and it seems i'm stuck in a big big loop of different depends which rely on eachother |
| 23:12.37 | AndroidDat1 | any way to fix this? |
| 23:12.38 | delire | AndroidDat1: odd, you only using the Debian repos? |
| 23:12.45 | RvGaTe | delire, that worked, great |
| 23:12.47 | AndroidDat1 | yeah |
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| 23:13.04 | delire | AndroidDat1: are those repos within a single branch? (stable/testing/sid etc) |
| 23:13.10 | Guerin | Caelum: /msg dpkg dmix; sorry, I'm busyish |
| 23:13.18 | AndroidDat1 | I have one unstable... stable is commented out?! |
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| 23:13.38 | delire | AndroidDat1: sounds like your sources.list is messed up. |
| 23:13.47 | AndroidDat1 | yeah, i'm fixing it now |
| 23:14.16 | delire | AndroidDat1: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 23:14.36 | AndroidDat1 | appearantly it can't connect to ftp.debian.org to get the stable/main packages |
| 23:14.43 | AndroidDat1 | yeah 3.1 |
| 23:14.50 | AndroidDat1 | debian/sarge |
| 23:14.54 | AndroidDat1 | if I'm correct |
| 23:15.03 | AndroidDat1 | is there a sources.list I can use? |
| 23:15.04 | delire | AndroidDat1: well you don't want an unstable repo in there. |
| 23:15.53 | delire | can't help. i'm on testing/unstable here. |
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| 23:27.15 | sbk | I'm unable to see my DVD drive after changing my kernel to 2.6.8-3-686-smp. (Running debian_version = 3.1) dmesg doesn't seem to report anything related to dvd or cdrom. What's the best way to debug this issue? |
| 23:27.31 | sbk | In the BIOS, i believe the drive shows up as a PATA drive, if that helps anything |
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| 23:29.28 | nvz | I've installed blootbot in etch and it will not interpret perl vars like $1..etc it simply reads them literally is there some kind of configuration required to make them allow perl vars in factoids? |
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| 23:33.58 | grummund | hi, any views on apt-proxy vs. apt-cacher? I've been googling on this but still not decided whats best for my setup |
| 23:34.15 | archpollux | i think they both suck |
| 23:34.31 | grummund | archpollux: why? |
| 23:34.43 | archpollux | hard to use, hard to configure |
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| 23:34.56 | archpollux | usually not working |
| 23:35.15 | archpollux | but it's only my opinion |
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| 23:35.37 | archpollux | i might be too lazy to set them up properly |
| 23:35.43 | critch | I am really wanting to slap someone right now. Why is unixodbc-dev wanting me to install x11-common. Do I REALLY need X and all that baggage to get headers? |
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| 23:36.08 | archpollux | i don't think x11-common is that big, but i'm not sure why it depends on it |
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| 23:36.25 | critch | because it is pulling in a bunch of QT stuff as well |
| 23:36.57 | infantaside | I just installed Debian, how do i get x windows working |
| 23:37.06 | stew | critch: x11-common doesn't pull anything in from qt afaik |
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| 23:37.32 | stew | infantaside: do you know which window manager / desktop environment you want to use? |
| 23:38.07 | critch | stew: right, what is happening is that unixodbc-dev is depending on unixodbc, and that is dragging in defoma fontconfig fontconfig-config libaudio2 libfontconfig1 libfreetype6 libice6 libjpeg62 liblcms1 libltdl3-dev libmng1 libodbcinstq1c2 libpng12-0 libqt3-mt libsm6 libx11-6 libx11-data libxau6 libxcursor1 libxdmcp6 libxext6 libxfixes3 libxft2 libxi6 libxinerama1 libxrandr2 libxrender1 libxt6 ttf-dejavu x11-common |
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| 23:38.21 | infantaside | stew: to be honest i dont know im new to Linux but wan to learn it |
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| 23:39.16 | stew | infantaside: run "tasksel install desktop" |
| 23:39.17 | archpollux | critch: what qt stuff? |
| 23:39.28 | critch | archpollux: libqt3-mt |
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| 23:40.11 | d00d_ | Does anyone know how to compile 2.6.19 kernel on debian etch |
| 23:40.43 | archpollux | critch: hmm, it's because of libodbcinstq1c2 |
| 23:40.45 | critch | d00d_: same way you compile any other kernel, I am currently on etch with 2.6.19 |
| 23:41.06 | d00d_ | do you know any tuts |
| 23:41.07 | troubled | critch: dont you love dependency problems like that? :) You want a simple non X program like a text editor, but that depends on some parse lib which depends on some other lib which depends on a font which depends on a font manager which depends on and X lib which depends on X server...... |
| 23:41.14 | d00d_ | < never changed kernel before |
| 23:41.14 | infantaside | stew: command not found |
| 23:41.31 | stew | infantaside: does "whoami" return "root" or something else? |
| 23:41.52 | stew | d00d_: is there a reason you need 2.6.19 instead of 2.6.18? |
| 23:41.56 | snazm | stew: I thought it was "who mom likes" :) |
| 23:41.57 | infantaside | stew: root |
| 23:42.04 | vydd | delire posted this about an hour ago.... http://www.howtoforge.com/howto_linux_kernel_2.6_compile_debian |
| 23:42.13 | d00d_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:42.17 | archpollux | troubled: relax |
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| 23:42.30 | critch | d00d_: download source, make sure to install gcc, glib, libncurses5-dev, then follow any kernel compiling tutorial, prepare to know what your hardware is, and what drivers that needs. |
| 23:42.37 | vydd | d00d_, latest kernel is 2.6.20 |
| 23:42.38 | troubled | archpollux: ?! |
| 23:42.40 | archpollux | troubled: you're free to report the problem and even provide a fix.. this is debian |
| 23:42.54 | critch | d00d_: Also be preparred to know how to rescue your machine in case you can't get your root FS mounted under the new kernel |
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| 23:43.33 | infantaside | stew: ok i got it downloading the desktop |
| 23:43.37 | d00d_ | damn |
| 23:43.38 | d00d_ | im lost |
| 23:43.41 | d00d_ | lol |
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| 23:43.44 | troubled | archpollux: why are you acting like some hostage negotiator trying to calm down some terrorist? dude, i was only jokin, you chill :p |
| 23:43.56 | archpollux | troubled: cool |
| 23:44.09 | delire | vydd: right. did you pass it onto RvGaTe? |
| 23:44.14 | troubled | archpollux: next time ill add the <sarcasm></sarcasm> tags :p |
| 23:44.22 | archpollux | troubled: hehe |
| 23:44.23 | critch | troubled: yeah, my dependency hell is that I am trying to keep the OS to a minimum and don't want all that extra on this machine. I need unixodbc for a console app that will rarely ever be used interactively |
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| 23:44.46 | vydd | delire, I think that he got it when you posted it :) |
| 23:44.54 | Bubbeh | my debian server is breaking down |
| 23:44.57 | Bubbeh | apt-get won't work |
| 23:45.00 | delire | vydd: ohh. damn ;) |
| 23:45.01 | stew | critch: why do you need the -dev package? |
| 23:45.10 | troubled | critch: ya ive been there. some times its the simplest of programs that in the end trigger Xserver to install for odd reasons :/ |
| 23:45.13 | stew | Bubbeh: get us the info in /msg dpkg bat |
| 23:45.21 | critch | stew: need func_odbc to work under asterisk compiled from source |
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| 23:45.34 | elementz | hi everybody |
| 23:45.34 | stew | critch: so remove it after you compile asterisk |
| 23:45.35 | Bubbeh | ok |
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| 23:45.44 | vydd | anyway, why is everybody compiling kernel today? :) |
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| 23:45.53 | troubled | critch: and my experience is its usually something you can recompile yourself without the dependency on the X lib (usually a lib it seems) |
| 23:46.01 | elementz | can somebody help me with my wlan pcmcia? pc keeps freezing out of the blue after some time online |
| 23:46.08 | snazm | vydd: Today is a good day to die, that's why lol |
| 23:46.10 | RvGaTe | vydd, delire, i got it the first time, dont worry |
| 23:46.14 | elementz | i am using ndiswrapper |
| 23:46.24 | stew | critch: or build asterisk on some other machine, so you don't have to install any -dev packages on the machine you are trying to keep tight |
| 23:46.33 | archpollux | critch: if u really think you know what you're doing, apt-get source unixodbc-dev, edit debian/control and remove libodbcinstq1c2 from Depends: and run debuild (assuming you have devscripts), then install the newly built deb |
| 23:46.40 | critch | stew: yeah, large download and install onto a production server to deal with a poor packaging descision. Yes I came here to vent for a bit. I still love Debian, and you can't make me go to someone elses' linux |
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| 23:47.40 | stew | critch: if you think it was packaged poorly, repackage it yourself. if you are positive that it declares dependencies which are not needed (which i doubt), file a bug |
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| 23:47.44 | elementz | anybody who can help? |
| 23:47.49 | vydd | elementz, hm..I needed to get the latest version of ndiswrapper to get my card to work (it's not pcmcia, but it might be worth trying) |
| 23:47.57 | critch | hmm, I thikn I will get package and manually install it, I don't need it controlled by apt anyways |
| 23:48.14 | elementz | vydd, compiled the newest version already - to no avail |
| 23:48.35 | troubled | critch: ahhh, * box? :) |
| 23:48.47 | critch | troubled: yep, love me some asterisk |
| 23:48.48 | vydd | elementz, :( |
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| 23:49.00 | critch | troubled: been using it since '02 or '03 |
| 23:49.06 | elementz | vydd, it's driving me mad already |
| 23:49.16 | F|28 | Two ubuntu users, one Xserv nobody wins |
| 23:49.49 | vydd | elementz, maybe you could look for newer win driver..... |
| 23:50.25 | critch | stew: thank you for letting me vent for a moment, it helped clear my head till I could find a way around my problem |
| 23:50.27 | elementz | vydd, hmm maybe i should try that - the newest version seems to be inclosed in an exe though |
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| 23:50.58 | troubled | critch: ya, grabbed me a tdm card while ago and some iaxy's. neat things |
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| 23:52.06 | snazm | infantaside: Is it working yet? |
| 23:52.06 | critch | troubled: I have T1 cards all around me, used it as the company PBX, and some phone based dictation system for our company |
| 23:52.06 | infantaside | snazm: im running APT at he moment donloading it |
| 23:52.06 | infantaside | downloading* |
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| 23:52.33 | vydd | elementz, ah... maybe if it extracts .inf somewhere....dunno |
| 23:52.52 | troubled | critch: boy, i could have killed for a pair of those quad span cards |
| 23:53.11 | elementz | vydd, i think there i've run across a possibility to extract exe files on linux - don't know where though |
| 23:53.20 | critch | troubled: I have 4 quads and a couple singles here, client is getting ready to deploy 14 quads |
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| 23:53.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | F|28: ? |
| 23:53.40 | solars | does anyone know how to paste text selected in vim, into a shell without mouse? |
| 23:53.42 | F|28 | mas versions ftw |
| 23:53.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | ... |
| 23:53.51 | stew | F|28: please dont |
| 23:53.52 | F|28 | !!! |
| 23:53.53 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 23:53.53 | F|28 | ok |
| 23:54.00 | F|28 | sorry :# |
| 23:54.00 | vydd | elementz, I have WinXP on my laptop....maybe you could give me the link, so I can try extracting it |
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| 23:54.07 | bam_ | Hi. I was wondering if anyone could give me a hand.I'm trying to find exactly what driver my GNU/Linux is using for my graphics card. Maybe a command? |
| 23:54.19 | troubled | critch: damn. that would be fun to test :) last job i had access to around 80 phone lines that would have been perfect for * based phone services :) |
| 23:54.19 | rokfit | is it possible to force install wine on 64bit? |
| 23:54.25 | Mark_Iron | hi |
| 23:54.33 | critch | solars: try <shift><ins> |
| 23:54.44 | elementz | vydd, nevermind - just booting the other box right now - but thx for offering :-) |
| 23:55.08 | critch | troubled: Also should be buying 14 of those junghans failover boxes, guy thinks he is going to break out a T3 for his service |
| 23:55.18 | bam_ | anyone? |
| 23:55.18 | troubled | critch: figure 96 lines from 2 quads and those, oh geez now, whats the name of em....like networkd switches with the ports for failover etc, what plugs into the punch downs.... |
| 23:55.21 | solars | critch, that works. can the binding be set somehow? |
| 23:55.29 | vydd | elementz, ok...good luck! |
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| 23:55.50 | critch | solars: don't know about the binding, I just know shift ins works |
| 23:55.59 | solars | critch, alright, thank you :) |
| 23:57.00 | critch | troubled: imagine 2 T1s per machine, when one machine fails, the junghans box diverts a T1 to each of the neighboring machines, so hopefully load doesn't ever reach above 3 T1s per machine |
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| 23:57.49 | craigevil | F|28: please stop |
| 23:57.53 | F|28 | k |
| 23:58.03 | snazm | F|28: Naughty! |
| 23:58.04 | troubled | critch: a junghans box? thought there was another name for what i was lookin for. basically the lines are undisturbed if the box goes down. you know the ones i mean? |
| 23:58.04 | snazm | F|28: NAUGHTY! |
| 23:58.12 | F|28 | why does everyone like irssi? |
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| 23:58.38 | troubled | bah, this is gonna bug me now |
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| 23:58.58 | critch | F|28: because it is text based, and can be run behind screen |
| 23:59.11 | F|28 | um |
| 23:59.11 | critch | troubled: http://www.junghanns.net/en/ISDNguard_produkt.html |
| 23:59.11 | F|28 | ok |
| 23:59.19 | dendrite | F|28: Not to mention that it's very flexible and powerful. |
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| 23:59.26 | PeterFA | Anyone know the apt home site? |
| 23:59.45 | PeterFA | I'm looking for a website for identifying sake. |
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