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| 00:01.54 | karsten | Where are filesystem settings such as flush interval set? fs or hdparm? |
| 00:02.59 | amphi | karsten: /proc |
| 00:03.01 | azeem | karsten: tune2fs etc. I'd say |
| 00:03.18 | azeem | or maybe /proc or /sys, yeah |
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| 00:03.19 | karsten | azeem: set or view? dumpe2fs didn't seem to show it. |
| 00:03.25 | azeem | dunno, really |
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| 00:05.37 | shwag | my ssh sessions keep closing with the msg, Disconnecting: Timeout, server not responding. Not sure why. |
| 00:05.53 | stoned | how do you /lastlog in irssi so that only the last few times my nick was said show up. When I do /lastlog stoned I get everything I've ever said including when others addressed me. |
| 00:06.28 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:06.31 | karsten | shwag: echo 60 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_keepalive_intvl |
| 00:06.37 | azeem | streuner: /help lastlog, btw |
| 00:06.46 | azeem | eh, s/streuer/stoned/, sorry |
| 00:06.46 | karsten | shwag: ... and check your "send keepalives" setting (or similar) for ssh client. |
| 00:07.04 | karsten | shwag: Usually either the remote server or an intermediate router dropping the connection. |
| 00:07.14 | karsten | shwag: man 5 proc for more info. |
| 00:07.14 | stoned | azeem: it still shows what I said and I would like for it to not. I consulted /help /lastlog but I can't find an option anywhere |
| 00:07.36 | azeem | stoned: /lastlog stoned:? |
| 00:07.40 | stoned | azeem: xchat works differently, it only shows when others said your nick with /lastlog. I need that functionality |
| 00:07.47 | stoned | azeem: well yes I could do that |
| 00:08.10 | itchi | Someone tried that new micro-soft thing? |
| 00:08.21 | azeem | itchi: off-topic |
| 00:08.41 | stoned | azeem: I think a regex with stoned(colon or comma) |
| 00:08.49 | karsten | itchi: Microfibre eyeglass wipes? Yeah, they're great. |
| 00:08.55 | stoned | good thinking man you da man you da man |
| 00:09.07 | itchi | azeem: yup, i know, saw just a little reportage about it, heh, looks like micro-soft got some features that were for long time in GNU/Linux :-) |
| 00:09.27 | karsten | shwag: ... or man 7 tcp |
| 00:09.36 | amphi | itchi: and some that aren't ;) |
| 00:09.38 | itchi | Looks like these are now only 2 years after us :-) |
| 00:09.47 | karsten | itchi: It's still off-topic |
| 00:09.51 | itchi | amphi: Not yet :-) |
| 00:09.51 | streuner | itchi: someone reported "childprotection" - in some cases its NOT that bad ;-) |
| 00:09.54 | karsten | itchi: #debian-offtopic |
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| 00:10.12 | shwag | karsten: not just ssh. gaim, xchat, they all lose connection. |
| 00:10.14 | itchi | karsten: yup, gona stop, hate enought micro-soft stuff :-) |
| 00:10.20 | rhys | so yea. vista is awesome. |
| 00:10.32 | stoned | azeem: thanks bro I got it |
| 00:10.33 | stoned | :) |
| 00:10.35 | karsten | shwag: Then it's probably your keepalive value. |
| 00:10.48 | rhys | i seriously wish debian would get some of the things in vista. |
| 00:10.52 | rhys | theyre so far behind. |
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| 00:11.14 | karsten | rhys: The Vista features I'd most like to see in Debian are ... |
| 00:11.16 | amphi | rhys: DRM? |
| 00:11.19 | karsten | ... marketing dollars and userbase. |
| 00:11.29 | itchi | hehe |
| 00:11.29 | shwag | karsten: i dont think its local on my machine. other machines are experiencing it too. |
| 00:11.31 | rhys | drm? what drm? |
| 00:11.34 | karsten | ... and I'm not sure about the last. |
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| 00:11.46 | rhys | like the music thing? |
| 00:12.06 | karsten | shwag: Well, you could just hypothesize, or you could think "gee, maybe if I change the default value and experiment I'll find out one way or the other". |
| 00:12.12 | stoned | I would like to see eyecandy without losing productivity or much money out of my wallet |
| 00:12.25 | karsten | shwag: My experience has been that it's frequently the tcp_keepalive value. |
| 00:12.29 | stoned | actually |
| 00:12.39 | rhys | it wasnt much. stoned mine came with my new laptop. got one of the first ones |
| 00:12.49 | stoned | I'm not sure if I'd use anything that costs money |
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| 00:13.04 | stoned | its not a matter or pirating or acquiring it for free |
| 00:13.08 | stoned | I am anal |
| 00:13.12 | |PiP| | how do you redirect to everything to /dev/null ? |
| 00:13.16 | stoned | I just don't want to use an os that costs money |
| 00:13.27 | karsten | |PiP|: Define "everything" |
| 00:13.28 | stoned | my copy of xp is a student copy so we're good there |
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| 00:13.29 | Zarephath | >> /dev/null |
| 00:13.30 | rhys | stoned, why? costing money means there good, and they just work. |
| 00:13.33 | karsten | |PiP|: cmd > /dev/null |
| 00:13.37 | shwag | karsten: my keep alive is already at 75 |
| 00:13.41 | stoned | rhys: no fun in that |
| 00:13.44 | karsten | |PiP|: cmd >/dev/null 2>&1 |
| 00:13.48 | |PiP| | standard error and standard output |
| 00:14.06 | Zarephath | karsten: I forget what is the 2>&1 do? |
| 00:14.06 | karsten | shwag: Try dropping it from there then. I think old default used to be ~600 or ~300. |
| 00:14.08 | rhys | no fun? you buy a laptop and the os is free on it |
| 00:14.12 | karsten | Zarephath: stder |
| 00:14.13 | rhys | just comes with it |
| 00:14.18 | Zarephath | karsten: thanks |
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| 00:14.58 | rhys | i cant get a debian installed..i have to do it myself. and my wireless card doesnt work, i just plugged it in with vista and it came up.. |
| 00:15.03 | rhys | and the sidebar is so cool |
| 00:15.29 | spiritraveller | I tried Vista on one of the display computers at Best Buy... |
| 00:15.41 | itchi | rhys: There's much more eyes candies on Debian, honesty |
| 00:15.46 | karsten | rhys: PCMCIA WiFi is the Winmodem of the aughts. |
| 00:15.50 | itchi | rhys: If you realy want these ... |
| 00:15.56 | spiritraveller | opened up Office 2007 and it said something about whether I want to enter a key... I answered no... |
| 00:15.58 | stoned | rhys: I built a core 2 duo system 3.00ghz + x1900XT 256mb card, etc. etc. for $400 |
| 00:16.00 | Zarephath | I tried the beta...then laughed a lot...then went back to debian ;-) |
| 00:16.04 | spiritraveller | then it locked up. |
| 00:16.06 | rhys | itchi, debian looks like windows 98. xp was so much better |
| 00:16.10 | stoned | rhys: I don't like laptops much |
| 00:16.19 | stoned | just like I dont' like cell p hones or pda or pocket calculators |
| 00:16.22 | craigevil | you want eyecandy use beryl,compiz or project looking glass all run much faster than vista and do more |
| 00:16.34 | itchi | rhys: You missed somethings, or talk about Sarge 3 years back |
| 00:16.49 | spiritraveller | debian looks like whatever you want it to look like |
| 00:16.51 | rhys | itchi, ubuntu was cool, looked better, but still didnt have all the polish that vista did |
| 00:16.52 | stoned | so for me vista aint free until my college starts giving it away to students for free like xp pro |
| 00:17.01 | stew | rhys: please keep it on-topic |
| 00:17.08 | stoned | rhys: why are you praising vista in #debian |
| 00:17.13 | stoned | nm stew go it |
| 00:17.14 | stoned | got* |
| 00:17.28 | rhys | hmm. then will someone help me set up my broadcom card in debian? |
| 00:17.47 | itchi | rhys: I have no vista experience, but with Debian Etch, it's realy The top for a desktop computer. Btw Ubuntu use a mixed testing and unstable release |
| 00:17.53 | streuner | rhys: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 00:17.54 | spiritraveller | I just installed the latest Etch XFCE cd... I am really impressed. I have never seen Debian so user-friendly before. |
| 00:17.55 | rhys | and i still cant figure out why tux racer wont work with my nvidia card. :( |
| 00:17.55 | stew | itchi: please keep it on topic |
| 00:18.18 | stew | rhys: what is the chipset of the card? |
| 00:18.22 | itchi | stew: yup, sorry, just deffend debian and tell how ugly vista looks like compared to my lovely box |
| 00:18.25 | rhys | stew, bcm4306 |
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| 00:18.36 | stoned | itchi: go scratch yourself ! |
| 00:18.40 | Zarephath | rhys: You can read the wiki...install ndiswrapper assuming you have the windows drivers..then config it and you're done |
| 00:18.46 | stoned | hehehe sorry couldn't resist |
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| 00:18.49 | spiritraveller | the printing just worked.... driver preinstalled... amazing. |
| 00:19.00 | itchi | Blind guys! |
| 00:19.06 | rhys | itchi, that sounds like the definition of propaghandi...... |
| 00:19.10 | stoned | YES! we get it! vista is plug and play |
| 00:19.14 | rhys | or alot like vista marketing |
| 00:19.14 | stoned | enough vista bullshit man |
| 00:19.17 | stoned | fuck, c'mon |
| 00:19.21 | itchi | When we blame it's not good ... When we love its not good ... wtf! |
| 00:20.07 | karsten | itchi: It's off topic is what it is. |
| 00:20.15 | rhys | instead of the open conversation i would thin kthe opensource community could be...debian only? off topic for everything else/ |
| 00:20.16 | rhys | ? |
| 00:20.28 | itchi | karsten: It's _not_ off topic if you compare debian to * |
| 00:20.33 | stew | itchi: it is |
| 00:20.40 | itchi | no |
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| 00:20.49 | karsten | itchi: Why don't you pick a fight with an op. |
| 00:20.56 | itchi | For you it is, while it is not |
| 00:20.56 | stoned | you know, the JMB 363 Jmicron ata controller is detected by 2.6.18-3.. supposedly kenshi muto's di images for 2.6.19 do too, but they hang after install |
| 00:20.57 | Xorm | There are ops? |
| 00:21.07 | karsten | itchi: The first rule of Fight Club is ... |
| 00:21.11 | itchi | No matters |
| 00:21.11 | karsten | itchi: ... Don't talk about Vista. |
| 00:21.12 | spiritraveller | in Windows, I would have to run an install cd for my printer... in Debian, just works! |
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| 00:21.23 | stoned | how do I find out which module supports the jmb363 ata controller? |
| 00:21.29 | stoned | anyone/ |
| 00:21.34 | karsten | stoned: GIYF |
| 00:21.40 | stoned | excuse me? |
| 00:21.40 | stew | stoned: do you know the pciid? |
| 00:21.46 | stoned | hold on a sec |
| 00:21.53 | stoned | no I do not |
| 00:21.55 | karsten | stoned: ... or read the kernel driver docs for a HW listing. |
| 00:22.02 | stew | stoned: is this thing in your machine right now? |
| 00:22.14 | itchi | Some time, you should try to look the /other/ way, guys!, that's my point |
| 00:22.16 | stoned | I found sky2 is supporting the gigabit ethernet on my motherboard |
| 00:22.19 | karsten | stoned: ... or ... um, the autodiscover tool. |
| 00:22.37 | stoned | karsten: on kernel.org right? |
| 00:22.47 | karsten | stoned: or /usr/src/kernel... |
| 00:22.50 | stoned | ahh |
| 00:22.54 | rhys | and why im at it stiring up the hornets nest...watching a thing by stallman put his little aluminum foil cap on his head... |
| 00:22.58 | spiritraveller | itchi: as if noone who uses debian has used Windows before??? get real. |
| 00:23.04 | rhys | or in this case an RFID... |
| 00:23.26 | rhys | not saying he's wrong, but anyone with me for having that physco hippie shot? |
| 00:23.36 | spiritraveller | I have nothing against Stallman... he could use a haircut, but that's his prerogative. |
| 00:23.41 | itchi | pppfff |
| 00:24.05 | stoned | azeem: btw in case you want to know, its "/lastlog -hilight". I got info in #irssi |
| 00:24.13 | stoned | yippy |
| 00:24.28 | robin_sz | rhys, no not shot |
| 00:24.45 | stoned | spiritraveller: please do not msg me. Use page up/down keys |
| 00:24.49 | rhys | robin_sz, yes...yes shot. taken out, knees, and executed. |
| 00:24.59 | karsten | stoned: 'discover' is what you want I believe. |
| 00:25.13 | stew | rhys: there is a bcm43xx module in the kernel. it looks like it needs non-free firmware though, look at the bcm43xx-fwcutter package |
| 00:25.13 | craigevil | Stallman has done a lot for the Open Source community |
| 00:25.17 | robin_sz | rhys, something more suitable ... such as beaten with the combined works of thomas jefferson |
| 00:25.17 | stoned | karsten: I'm on it tight jeans |
| 00:25.18 | karsten | rhys: Toll elsewhere. |
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| 00:25.25 | karsten | rhys: erm, troll. |
| 00:25.35 | Asche | how can i do to permit apt to my user ?¿ |
| 00:25.38 | stoned | karsten: I'll be back after I've got a few things answered and a few more questions |
| 00:25.40 | robin_sz | troll? where? |
| 00:25.44 | karsten | Asche: man sudo |
| 00:25.53 | rhys | stew, non free software?! :-O |
| 00:25.59 | craigevil | rhys: do a google search for bcm4306 debian, there are many howtos |
| 00:26.02 | stoned | stew: if I am able to find the pciid of the ata controller, what next |
| 00:26.02 | spiritraveller | stoned: sorry I'm a retard, hehe |
| 00:26.36 | stew | stoned: if the pciid is, lets say, 1111:2222, then "grep '1111.*2222' /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap" |
| 00:26.42 | pickcoder | broadcom.. gah |
| 00:26.48 | stew | rhys: yes |
| 00:26.50 | stoned | stew: ahhh no way |
| 00:26.55 | stoned | shweet |
| 00:26.57 | stew | stoned: way |
| 00:27.00 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:27.55 | stoned | !bcm4306 |
| 00:27.57 | robin_sz | rhys, at the risk of being hit with a troll-gong, I agree with you to an extent. RMS has doen a lot, but his "my way is the only way, you may only accept MY definition of freedom" thing irritates the fsck out of me. |
| 00:28.08 | rhys | just to mention, yes troll, for the single reason of the people like pickcoder. bah. propietary. GNU isnt about choice. its about FREE. |
| 00:28.14 | rhys | robin_sz, ! agreement! |
| 00:28.32 | stoned | !bcm43xx |
| 00:28.33 | dpkg | i heard bcm43xx is the broadcom 43xx series driver; originally available as a patch at http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/, it has been included in all kernels after 2.6.17-rc2. |
| 00:28.40 | stoned | there ya go |
| 00:28.49 | spiritraveller | robin_sz: but that I don't get. He feels real strongly about his position... but I don't get why people take such offense to that. |
| 00:28.52 | stoned | your wireless card should work with 2.6.18 |
| 00:29.11 | rhys | arent we all a community? slackware and debian and opensuse and ubuntu and what not......to the extent we cant support eachother as limited by our different distros |
| 00:29.21 | stew | rhys: please keep it on topic |
| 00:29.23 | robin_sz | spiritraveller, I take offense at anyone who thinks thye have the right to interfere with my freedoms |
| 00:29.23 | pickcoder | rhys: then feel free to fix the problems you bring up |
| 00:29.23 | rhys | stoned, sorry for wasting any of your time, i have it working just fine. |
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| 00:29.37 | stoned | !ot |
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| 00:29.37 | dpkg | i guess ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 00:29.40 | stoned | nothing personal |
| 00:29.41 | rhys | pickcoder, the problem isnt with the code. its with the people |
| 00:29.47 | stoned | just keep it on topic yo |
| 00:29.48 | rhys | stew, off topic, meaning open. |
| 00:29.51 | pickcoder | no.. the problem is with broadcom |
| 00:29.59 | rhys | open conversation about debian and linux in general |
| 00:30.03 | karsten | rhys: #debian-offtopic |
| 00:30.15 | pickcoder | as well as all other hardware manuf that feel their drivers need to be closed source |
| 00:30.23 | robin_sz | probably best let it rest, they shoot trolls around here :) |
| 00:31.15 | rhys | robin_sz, yes i know. *sigh* |
| 00:31.17 | stew | rhys: yes, please take it elsewhere, this is a support channel. if you want to discuss the merits of various linux distros try ##linux, if you want to discuss gnu try #gnu |
| 00:31.29 | holycow | is it fdisk that is used for formatting drives from command line? |
| 00:31.36 | stoned | holycow: no |
| 00:31.39 | pickcoder | fdisk is a partitioner |
| 00:31.40 | karsten | holycow: Yes, or cfdisk. |
| 00:31.44 | rhys | stew, ever venture into ##slackware? |
| 00:31.44 | stoned | holycow: dependson the FS you want |
| 00:31.48 | stew | holycow: no, its for partitioning, mkfs.* is for formatting |
| 00:31.48 | pickcoder | it does not create file systems |
| 00:31.50 | stew | rhys: no |
| 00:31.54 | karsten | holycow: erm. Partitioning, yes. Formatting, no: mfs |
| 00:31.58 | karsten | erm, mkfs |
| 00:32.07 | holycow | ext3 mostly ... aha! |
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| 00:32.11 | holycow | okay thank you |
| 00:32.13 | stoned | mkfs<tab><tab? |
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| 00:32.27 | stoned | that will show you the all the diff FS you can have in stock debian |
| 00:32.51 | stoned | after you make yourself a partition, remember its # and mkfs.ext3etc.etc. for example |
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| 00:33.12 | holycow | stoned, oh! didn't knkow that. niceness |
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| 00:35.09 | fantomas | How to setup to allow a user to mount aribitrary .ISO to the mount point? |
| 00:35.25 | robin_sz | fantomas, fuser |
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| 00:35.32 | stew | fuser? |
| 00:35.43 | robin_sz | fuse even |
| 00:35.57 | fantomas | robin_sz: I'll check it |
| 00:36.05 | Eclipser | freudian slip fingers are better |
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| 00:36.09 | holycow | guys curious about your opinions on this: in the past i have used parted to image partitions and restore them because dd takes just too long. do you guys use any other strategies for imaging a partition and restoring it say to another hd? |
| 00:36.33 | robin_sz | dump and restore is my preference |
| 00:36.35 | karsten | holycow: tar, rsync |
| 00:36.39 | stoned | holycow: I use non linux tools |
| 00:36.49 | Eclipser | backup? what's that? |
| 00:36.51 | pickcoder | I normally use rsync to preserve perms and ownership |
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| 00:37.00 | fantomas | robin_sz: I just thought its enough to add some entry to /etc/fstab though :-/ |
| 00:37.08 | holycow | heh |
| 00:37.26 | robin_sz | fantomas, to mount .ISO images or cdroms? |
| 00:37.32 | stoned | holycow: but non MS.. oss booted off cd which contains a compelte partitioning tool. I have it laying around. its free and I think its called partition manager or something |
| 00:37.42 | holycow | so tarring / and /var and /home with proper flag for permission preservation would be enough .. then i can just dd the bootsector? |
| 00:37.55 | stoned | sorry |
| 00:37.57 | stoned | partition logic |
| 00:38.03 | robin_sz | karsten, rsync is great .. but it doesnt create a disc image, just copies files |
| 00:38.09 | stoned | http://partitionlogic.org.uk/ |
| 00:38.21 | karsten | robin_sz: You didn't say you needed an iso. |
| 00:38.30 | holycow | stoned, yeah i'm trying to automate the building of new systems, we are working towards using linux on the desktops and just want a nice easy way to image hds fairly quickly |
| 00:38.33 | holycow | stoned, danke |
| 00:38.34 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:38.45 | stoned | It can create, delete, format, defragment, resize, and move partitions and modify their attributes. It can copy entire hard disks from one to another. |
| 00:38.48 | stoned | etc. etc. |
| 00:38.56 | holycow | oh neat |
| 00:38.57 | stoned | or you can use a tool from inside linux |
| 00:38.59 | robin_sz | karsten, correct, someoen else asked how to allow users to moutn .ISO images |
| 00:39.06 | fantomas | robin_sz: images :) |
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| 00:39.14 | holycow | stoned, how do you use it ... as live cd? |
| 00:39.18 | stoned | yes |
| 00:39.23 | stoned | i posted the link |
| 00:39.24 | stoned | go read |
| 00:39.24 | stoned | :) |
| 00:39.31 | holycow | downloading |
| 00:39.32 | holycow | thank you |
| 00:39.50 | stoned | btw |
| 00:39.57 | stoned | it IS gnu liscenced |
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| 00:40.04 | stoned | so we're good there |
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| 00:40.41 | jello | stoned: is it package for debian? |
| 00:40.48 | jello | packaged, rather |
| 00:40.49 | stoned | ow |
| 00:40.50 | stoned | FUCK! |
| 00:40.52 | boka | robin_sz, is googe that hard ? http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html |
| 00:40.52 | stoned | brb |
| 00:41.04 | stoned | knee... table corner... ow |
| 00:41.07 | stoned | jello: no |
| 00:41.10 | dvs | !pity stoned |
| 00:41.11 | dpkg | I pity da fool stoned! |
| 00:41.12 | stoned | I don't think so |
| 00:41.14 | robin_sz | boka, why are you telling me that? |
| 00:41.15 | jello | ouch, that hurts... |
| 00:41.25 | jello | !comfort stoned |
| 00:41.26 | dpkg | There, there, stoned. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 00:41.33 | stoned | awe thanks |
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| 00:41.35 | stew | boka: that wouldn't work for a user, only for root |
| 00:41.39 | boka | robin_sz, oh you didnt ask ? apologies. |
| 00:41.43 | craigevil | Hiren's Bootcd is a nice cd to use |
| 00:41.56 | boka | stew, use pmount |
| 00:41.56 | solemnwarning | So etch missed it's january release :| |
| 00:42.04 | jello | hmm, since it's so quiet in here, anyone wanna play bridge? |
| 00:42.04 | robin_sz | boka, nope .. not me .. someone else asked, and he asked how to let USERS mount .iso images ... |
| 00:42.07 | stew | boka: pmount only works for removable volumes |
| 00:42.27 | robin_sz | boka, you need fuse for that, via loopback and all the usual stuff |
| 00:42.41 | stoned | jello: it can't be |
| 00:42.44 | boka | stew, ok. why wouldn't http://www.cyberciti.biz/tips/how-to-mount-iso-image-under-linux.html work ? if you replace the directory with in your ~/ ? |
| 00:42.53 | dvs | 2009 |
| 00:42.53 | jello | stoned: what can't be? |
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| 00:43.04 | stoned | jello: Partition Logic is a self-contained CD image with its own operating system (Visopsys) included on the disc. It is not installed as a Windows (or Mac or Linux) program as such -- instead it is written to a blank CD from which your computer can be booted to perform the desired partitioning, resizing, etc. |
| 00:43.05 | stew | boka: becuase only root is alout to mount things that aren't listed in fstab |
| 00:43.09 | stoned | jello: end quote |
| 00:43.10 | robin_sz | boka, no, 'cos only root can mount things |
| 00:43.17 | jello | stoned: ah, ok |
| 00:43.17 | stoned | jello: I mean a debian package |
| 00:43.28 | boka | stew, not necessarily. root can make other users mount. |
| 00:43.33 | stew | boka: how? |
| 00:43.34 | boka | stew, /etc/fstab |
| 00:43.44 | robin_sz | sigh |
| 00:43.44 | stew | 19:43 < stew> boka: becuase only root is alout to mount things that aren't listed in fstab |
| 00:44.01 | boka | stew, ok ok. |
| 00:44.09 | jello | stoned: it would be nice if we could include it in d-i, but i guess not... |
| 00:44.13 | stoned | you could use pmount? |
| 00:44.13 | robin_sz | boka, and the problem with THAT is that the random .iso image auser might want to mount probably isnt listed in fstab |
| 00:44.15 | boka | stew, sp robin_sz suggests using fuse ? |
| 00:44.18 | lncast | *things in fstab with the user option |
| 00:44.22 | stoned | pmount lets users mount stuff not in fstb |
| 00:44.25 | stew | 19:42 < stew> boka: pmount only works for removable volumes |
| 00:44.28 | stoned | IIRC |
| 00:44.37 | stoned | nm |
| 00:44.44 | karsten | boka: You can: give users mount access through sudo, use an automounter, or use other means of mounting system. |
| 00:44.56 | robin_sz | and what is the problem with using fuse exactly then? |
| 00:45.10 | boka | karsten, exactly. if a root wants, it's possible. but we are taking root out of the equation |
| 00:45.39 | karsten | boka: automounter |
| 00:45.50 | boka | umm.. |
| 00:45.54 | stew | the origonal question was how to let users mount a random ISO, which you don't want to do becuase of security anyway |
| 00:45.59 | boka | karsten, how r you btw ? ;) |
| 00:46.00 | stew | original* |
| 00:46.09 | boka | karsten, how are you by the way ? :) |
| 00:46.12 | karsten | boka: caffeine-deprived. |
| 00:46.13 | boka | :) |
| 00:46.17 | boka | hehe |
| 00:46.19 | boka | me too |
| 00:46.42 | robin_sz | fusermount is the thing |
| 00:46.55 | robin_sz | from fuse-utils |
| 00:46.57 | boka | robin_sz, but then you need root priviledge to install fuse. hehe.. |
| 00:47.09 | robin_sz | !slap boka |
| 00:47.10 | karsten | boka: At some point, yes, root needs to get involved. |
| 00:47.21 | boka | robin_sz, in anycase, you can't take root out of the equation. |
| 00:47.37 | robin_sz | well duh |
| 00:47.37 | boka | hehe.. |
| 00:47.39 | karsten | boka: You're going to eat root, root, root, and root, from here on out. |
| 00:47.46 | robin_sz | spam |
| 00:47.57 | karsten | robin_sz: eggs and spam? |
| 00:48.08 | robin_sz | spam spam, eggs beans and spam |
| 00:48.16 | xored | suddenly my apache only runs under wwwdata:wwwdata instead of using my suexec directive. Any ideas ? ( SARGE ) |
| 00:48.32 | boka | robin_sz, speaking of fuse i did this sshfs+fuse and it's awesome. rocks! ;) |
| 00:48.53 | robin_sz | sshfs? a bit slow, no? |
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| 00:49.10 | boka | robin_sz, pretty handy. no really. it's faster than cifs and samba imho |
| 00:49.37 | robin_sz | anyway ... now .. my question :) |
| 00:49.55 | robin_sz | mrtg, wtf does it display my temperatures in integr incrmenets? |
| 00:49.56 | h3sp4wn | I am using shfs but its getting annoying because its not properly maintained |
| 00:50.22 | robin_sz | h3sp4wn, want to try driving my car? |
| 00:51.02 | robin_sz | thats no properly maintained either |
| 00:51.02 | boka | karsten, eating lots of spam.. |
| 00:51.02 | boka | karsten, :) |
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| 00:52.03 | robin_sz | I think I had Option[_]: integer set at some point .. it seems sort of stuck |
| 00:52.23 | robin_sz | either that, or it really is 14 degrees and flatlined in the server room |
| 00:52.52 | stoned | I dont like integers |
| 00:53.02 | stoned | I never have |
| 00:53.06 | stoned | I also dislike fractions |
| 00:53.15 | stoned | but I have to do em all the time |
| 00:53.15 | stoned | it sucks |
| 00:53.48 | dvs | percentages? |
| 00:54.04 | stoned | there are no % in Meter Signatures |
| 00:54.46 | fantomas | robin_sz: well, I've install fuse utils, read all docs, their webstite but yet have no idea how to mount ISO.. |
| 00:55.08 | fantomas | robin_sz: would you provide some useful bits? |
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| 00:56.15 | fantomas | How to setup to allow a user to mount aribitrary .ISO to *the* mount point? |
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| 00:57.01 | liberion | hey guys i use a slackware based distro what tools do i need to build debian packages |
| 00:57.16 | robin_sz | fusermount -o loop my_iso.img ~/mymountpoint ???? |
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| 00:58.04 | pickcoder | liberion: you should compile the source on a target distro of debian and use the packaging tools provided with debian |
| 00:58.32 | fantomas | robin_sz: lemme try ) |
| 00:58.38 | robin_sz | fantomas, I assume you have already done modprobe fuse, and added it to /etc/modules for next time |
| 00:58.39 | holycow | you know i keep on using gui tools like gparted and such, but damnit, the command line always works |
| 00:58.58 | stew | liberion: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide |
| 00:59.02 | robin_sz | fantomas, http://fuse.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/FAQ |
| 00:59.08 | robin_sz | all your questions answered |
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| 00:59.24 | liberion | pickcoder, no i build slackware packages and rpms on slackware so i should be able to compile debian packages on slackware |
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| 00:59.45 | stoned | !package basics |
| 00:59.45 | dpkg | rumour has it, package basics is The Basics of the Package Management System, Package format, and how to make packages. http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-pkg_basics.en.html |
| 00:59.57 | stoned | read that as well as the package maintainers link stew posted |
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| 01:00.23 | holycow | karsten, so i presume that the greates advantage of tar and rsync over something like partimage is that you can copy over files between non uniform partition sizes ... you don't really haveto worry about partition sizes with your approach, right? |
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| 01:00.32 | boka | liberion, http://video.google.com.au/videoplay?docid=-6726522426109060914 |
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| 01:01.50 | liberion | boka, thats ok found it debianutils thanx |
| 01:01.52 | pickcoder | holycow: with rsync you can reimage any changes on the source, without having to redump the entire source tree |
| 01:02.19 | holycow | oh yeah right ... i can maintain images of partitions with a simple update |
| 01:02.26 | holycow | right, neato |
| 01:02.47 | fantomas | robin_sz: yes I loaded the module. The command fails for me with message: fusermount: old style mounting not supported |
| 01:02.56 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 01:03.03 | fantomas | robin_sz: and no, I see no answers in the FAQ |
| 01:03.24 | pickcoder | gah this file resize is taking forever |
| 01:03.35 | boka | karsten, http://nepbabucx.wordpress.com/ |
| 01:03.41 | fantomas | robin_sz: man fusermount says there must be -o opt,opt options |
| 01:03.47 | boka | karsten, first post |
| 01:04.06 | fantomas | robin_sz: while we just used -o opt opt, which is different... Maybe this is the problem? |
| 01:04.12 | Thug-N-Me | anyone know how do i change the port for rtorrent ? |
| 01:04.21 | fantomas | robin_sz: if so, I wonder how to pass a path to an image using opts |
| 01:04.43 | fantomas | robin_sz: and how it would know what FS to use btw? I mean iso9660 |
| 01:05.01 | robin_sz | -t ? |
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| 01:05.17 | fantomas | robin_sz: no, fusermounts doesn't like it I tried |
| 01:05.29 | g333k_laptop | hello, what about xmms2? xmms is the gui for xmms2? |
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| 01:06.02 | boka | g333k_laptop, xmms2 is a fork of xmms. started devel around 2003 |
| 01:06.09 | holycow | now if i remember correctly, i use dd to image grub because it likes to actually be on the first block right after the partition table or something like that ... can one avoid using dd in the process and have rsync or similar restore grub in a way that it would be happy? |
| 01:06.16 | holycow | maybe a question better for #grub |
| 01:06.33 | robin_sz | fantomas, it written by a hungarian. we write this sort of stuff to confuse people ;) |
| 01:06.36 | pickcoder | holycow: chroot and grub-install |
| 01:06.42 | grew | how does the debian start system determine what modules it will try to load? I replaced my kernel and want to remove things that it does not need to tyr to load |
| 01:06.51 | boka | !xmms2 | g333k_laptop |
| 01:06.58 | holycow | pickcoder, interesting ... |
| 01:07.11 | pickcoder | or you can tell grub to install itself on a specific partition |
| 01:07.21 | pickcoder | setup an image config for grub |
| 01:07.21 | fantomas | robin_sz: oh |
| 01:07.26 | pickcoder | and pass the config param to it |
| 01:07.43 | boka | karsten, read the fanaticism ? :) |
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| 01:08.09 | pickcoder | you can also use a live CD with choot and grub-install |
| 01:08.13 | pickcoder | if you don't have a bootable machine |
| 01:08.15 | g333k_laptop | boka, does it have a gui? |
| 01:08.24 | boka | g333k_laptop, yes |
| 01:08.37 | g333k_laptop | boka, how can I load it? |
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| 01:08.53 | holycow | pickcoder, *nod* i'm actually thinking about a production line sort of thing, we build our own systems because brand name manufacturers have no clue about how to pick the right parts |
| 01:09.07 | pickcoder | pxeboot install |
| 01:09.07 | holycow | pickcoder, so i will be lining up imaging of hds and just dropping them into boxen |
| 01:09.13 | holycow | takes too long |
| 01:09.15 | boka | g333k_laptop, go to it's website download a tarball, extract it then proceed to README and INSTALL |
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| 01:09.35 | pickcoder | hm |
| 01:09.44 | g333k_laptop | boka, we have a xmms2 pkg |
| 01:09.48 | g333k_laptop | a deb pkg |
| 01:09.52 | boka | ahh.. |
| 01:10.09 | boka | dpkg -i xmm2.whatever.deb |
| 01:10.16 | boka | hehe |
| 01:10.20 | g333k_laptop | boka, I know that |
| 01:10.20 | markit | anyone with debian sid and a iPod nano? I've troubles with that... I've been told that works with ubuntu, while with debian sid I "install" songs that are saw but don't "play", any tip? (amarok) |
| 01:10.24 | pickcoder | holycow: USB->SATA sleds and rsync |
| 01:10.38 | pickcoder | you can mass duplicate the drives on a single Debian box |
| 01:10.52 | g333k_laptop | boka, I have already installed before answer, how you ever used it? |
| 01:11.00 | boka | g333k_laptop, yes |
| 01:11.13 | boka | g333k_laptop, i didn't like it. uninstalled it later. |
| 01:11.17 | boka | g333k_laptop, i like my good old xmms |
| 01:11.19 | boka | :) |
| 01:11.28 | Acu | does anyone know how to partition hard disks for webservers (I mean is any source - book video) ? |
| 01:11.35 | pickcoder | bbl |
| 01:11.40 | g333k_laptop | boka, well I dont know how to load the gui using the deb pkgs |
| 01:11.40 | holycow | pickcoder, allright i will look into that |
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| 01:12.09 | g333k_laptop | boka, I wonder how did you unistalled xmms2 if you compiled and installed with the non-debian way |
| 01:12.11 | lethias | how come when you download themes from gnome-look that when you install them using gnome's theme program it sometimes doesn't produce the right color scheme? |
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| 01:12.44 | lethias | is there some kind of gtk theme manager i can use instead? |
| 01:12.49 | stoned | Acu: it depends on how you want to organize your data |
| 01:13.00 | magyar | problems with etch and sk98lin module. When the system starts it loads the sk98lin network module, but during the network start the network interface errors out. To fix it I "rmmod sk98lin" and "modprobe sk98lin". Why would this be happening ? |
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| 01:13.56 | jelly-home | magyar: bad driver? |
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| 01:14.13 | jelly-home | magyar: can the card work with skge driver? |
| 01:14.21 | magyar | jelly-home: no |
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| 01:14.54 | Acu | I want to deploy a Debian Etch Apache 2.2.3 Webserver with Ez-publish - I do not expect more than 1000 hits daily - but I have videos - I have few SCSI HDD with 10000 rpm and few IDEs - for now I have only one system |
| 01:15.03 | magyar | jelly-home: the sk98lin is the one that comes with 2.6.18 kernel for etch |
| 01:15.17 | boka | g333k_laptop, you need to read up on using make and how it uses Makefile. |
| 01:15.43 | g333k_laptop | boka, I think xmms2 is still like a baby |
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| 01:15.57 | boka | g333k_laptop, yes. it is still in devel. |
| 01:15.58 | g333k_laptop | boka, I agree with you... return to the old xmms |
| 01:16.03 | jelly-home | magyar: both come in my 2.6.18-e-686 |
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| 01:16.07 | Yeti | XL3t |
| 01:16.07 | Acu | stoned: the above mentioned for you but I forgot to add your name |
| 01:16.09 | Yeti | sor |
| 01:16.11 | Yeti | soru |
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| 01:16.20 | XL3t | anaaaa |
| 01:16.23 | Yeti | suse new version down adres |
| 01:16.24 | jelly-home | magyar: but well, if it doesn't work, it doesn't |
| 01:16.28 | XL3t | whaq (i=whaq@203.130.197.106) |
| 01:16.42 | XL3t | burda |
| 01:16.47 | XL3t | yazýlarda acaip çýkýor |
| 01:16.53 | XL3t | türk kanalý vardý buranýn |
| 01:17.10 | stoned | Acu: seperate partitions for all your data... |
| 01:17.15 | jelly-home | !tr |
| 01:17.16 | dpkg | tr is, like, türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 01:17.20 | magyar | jelly-home: this is the same error i get with sk98lin and skge "http://pastebin.ca/336451" |
| 01:17.25 | Aim_Here | Hello #debian. My debian unstable k3b is complaining that it can't see mkisofs, even though I have a fully working mkisofs program in the same place as the likes of cdrdao and cdrecord. Can anybody suggest why? |
| 01:17.46 | Yeti | The requested URL was not found on this server. |
| 01:17.52 | Yeti | dpkg |
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| 01:17.55 | Yeti | nasýl olcak |
| 01:17.56 | Acu | stoned: OK - a separate physical HDD for /var ? |
| 01:17.58 | magyar | jelly-home: it works with sk98lin but i need to rmmod nd modprobe again |
| 01:18.23 | stoned | Acu: http://wiki.linuxquestions.org/wiki/Partitioning_guidelines |
| 01:18.29 | Acu | stoned: I understand that you have to create some LVM or something like this - whats that |
| 01:18.37 | stoned | not at all |
| 01:18.47 | stoned | no need for an lvm |
| 01:18.54 | XL3t | jelly-home |
| 01:19.00 | XL3t | tr dedii kanka |
| 01:19.00 | XL3t | :D |
| 01:19.06 | XL3t | trile ilgili bak |
| 01:19.07 | XL3t | url çýktý |
| 01:19.09 | XL3t | !tr |
| 01:19.10 | dpkg | i guess tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 01:19.30 | Yeti | 404 Not Found |
| 01:19.36 | Yeti | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:19.37 | Yeti | _? |
| 01:19.40 | Yeti | Not Found |
| 01:19.54 | XL3t | !fr |
| 01:19.55 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 01:19.59 | XL3t | !en |
| 01:19.59 | dpkg | english |
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| 01:20.06 | XL3t | english |
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| 01:20.11 | XL3t | !english |
| 01:20.12 | dpkg | [english] a language spoken by guys who always write the fscking word: coloUr :), or a loose conglomeration of random words from french, german, and latin, or http://www.unique.cc/ron/estuff.htm or one of the most bastardised languages ever, borrowing from all over the world, or english, motherfucker, do you speak it? or ALL YOUR WORD ARE BELONG TO US!! |
| 01:20.17 | XL3t | !turkey |
| 01:20.17 | dpkg | somebody said turkey was #debian.tr, or trke yardm iin #debian.tr |
| 01:20.33 | Yeti | dpkg anladým mal degýlýz |
| 01:20.37 | gravity | XL3t Stop it |
| 01:20.39 | gravity | Yeti: You to |
| 01:20.42 | gravity | s/to/too/ |
| 01:20.47 | XL3t | ne dio bu kanka |
| 01:20.48 | Yeti | ok soryy |
| 01:20.48 | XL3t | : ) |
| 01:21.04 | jelly-home | magyar: I guess you should report a bug... maybe ask linux-net or lkml for advice on how to debug |
| 01:21.14 | Acu | Another question is what mail server should I install ? |
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| 01:21.30 | adrakoa | hi |
| 01:21.44 | Yeti | David Nusinow bye bye gravity |
| 01:21.59 | XL3t | gravity sorry |
| 01:22.01 | DonJ | Hi, is there a debian version around which is specifically for (web)servers? i.e. isn't 2 dvd big? |
| 01:22.02 | XL3t | good bye |
| 01:22.33 | jelly-home | magyar: but generally skge is the newer driver and it's probably better to use it if it works |
| 01:22.35 | dendrite | DonJ: Debian makes it easy to only install what you want. |
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| 01:23.05 | DonJ | dendrite: well yes, but I'll still have to download the 2 dvds before I can decide on what to install? |
| 01:23.09 | dendrite | DonJ: Do you already have the DVD's, or are you just looking at 'em on the web? |
| 01:23.18 | dendrite | DonJ: Ah, no. |
| 01:23.20 | DonJ | I am currently downloading |
| 01:23.25 | DonJ | takes ages though :( |
| 01:23.26 | dendrite | DonJ: Grab the netinstall image. |
| 01:23.46 | dendrite | DonJ: The netinstall image should be all you need. |
| 01:23.54 | DonJ | ok, I'll search for it. thx! |
| 01:24.53 | Acu | stoned: thanks for the viki on partionioning - it is preety cool - I got to LVM (which I know almost nothing about) |
| 01:24.57 | dendrite | Is the etch installer still broken for static IP? |
| 01:25.09 | stoned | Acu: why lvm? |
| 01:25.38 | stoned | Acu: lvm is used to bunch together more than 1 physical disk into one partition |
| 01:25.46 | justin | stoned: not exactly |
| 01:26.02 | stoned | oh... |
| 01:26.10 | vulture | could bunch them together into multiple partitions.. |
| 01:26.15 | vulture | stripe them, etc.. |
| 01:26.19 | stoned | well ok then |
| 01:26.36 | stoned | but Acu why do you 'need' an lvm? |
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| 01:27.33 | stoned | call me crazy, but I tried to put NBDs on gbEth in an LVM |
| 01:27.36 | stoned | it was fun |
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| 01:27.59 | stoned | then I wasn't stoned anymore that day so I got bored with it |
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| 01:29.04 | stoned | dendrite: what do you mean.. it works with static dhcp |
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| 01:29.17 | stoned | dendrite: however, the etch gui installer usually always crashes on me |
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| 01:29.29 | stoned | could be any random step, no telling when |
| 01:29.31 | dendrite | stoned: Word is/was that if you don't have DHCP, it fails. |
| 01:29.34 | stoned | mostly udring partitioning |
| 01:29.42 | stoned | dendrite: ahh |
| 01:30.04 | dendrite | stoned: Netinstall. |
| 01:30.21 | stoned | dendrite: how is static dhcp different than static ip.. I mean instead of manually specifying myself, I've got my router to assign ip based on mac id |
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| 01:30.45 | dendrite | stoned: It's different, because it's different. The installer has to manually type stuff. |
| 01:30.46 | stoned | well, I mean i know its different but how does it make a difference, do you know? |
| 01:30.52 | stoned | ahh |
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| 01:31.15 | dendrite | stoned: No, I don't know the specifics, I was wondering if there was a url with a discussion. I can troll the BTS, I suppose. |
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| 01:32.47 | magyar | jelly-home: is it a kernel bug? and what is linux-net or lkml? |
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| 01:33.48 | xored | its not possible to install suphp on the current stable sarge, or ? |
| 01:33.59 | tkup | shouldn't /etc/security/limits.conf apply to cron-started processes and the processes that they spawn? |
| 01:35.24 | markit | no one using debian sid an a iPod nano? |
| 01:35.58 | lncast | we're not really iPod people. |
| 01:36.18 | h3xis | creative ftw |
| 01:37.12 | markit | well, I bought it because I've been told that I could have used it with GNU, but I've some problems sigh |
| 01:38.07 | lncast | if that's the reason you bought it then someone has mislead you, you want anything that comes up as usb storage - which is most barring ipods and sony |
| 01:38.30 | holycow | partimage found an error on one partition via e2fsck ... i'm going to bring up that drive again ... for ext3 what is the best way to check for errors and have them fixed? |
| 01:38.52 | holycow | just a simple fsck on the partition? |
| 01:39.13 | markit | mmm maybe I've found a solution, if he solution for this problem is to downgrade libgpod to 0.3..2 there is problem with amarok debian packaging |
| 01:39.25 | markit | (or ligpod one) |
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| 01:45.30 | lunaphyte | where can i find a description of what the letters in the first column of dpkg's output represent? |
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| 01:46.30 | lncast | man dpkg i think |
| 01:46.45 | dendrite | "I'm sorry, that's not a hair question." |
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| 01:47.13 | lunaphyte | it there was mention in there, it escapes me. |
| 01:47.33 | lncast | looks like the first 3 letters correspond to the INFORMATION ABOUT PACKAGES |
| 01:48.10 | lncast | first letter corresponds to something under package state, second to package seelction state, etc..in the man page |
| 01:48.16 | azahid | Hi, I read in an Debian review webpage, that disabling the bitmap fonts fixed some of the problems of the reviewer. He used these commands: # cp /etc/fonts/conf.avail/70-no-bitmaps.conf /etc/fonts/conf.d |
| 01:48.16 | azahid | # fc-cache -vf |
| 01:48.16 | azahid | <PROTECTED> |
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| 01:48.56 | lunaphyte | so what might the first letter being 'p' represent? |
| 01:49.00 | ziro01 | you tell me |
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| 01:49.08 | lunaphyte | and the second letter 'c'... |
| 01:49.33 | gradin | jezus 670 nicks in here... |
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| 01:50.08 | stoned | gradin: clone army. |
| 01:50.12 | holycow | heh |
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| 01:50.40 | stoned | !ping |
| 01:50.40 | dpkg | pong |
| 01:50.40 | gradin | i've got a problem trying to install debian from the networked version on an hp prolient 380 g4 server with an sas integrated controler |
| 01:50.40 | stoned | hmm |
| 01:51.29 | gradin | my problem is this, its only recognizing the "virtual media" from my kvm as a harddisk... |
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| 01:52.25 | gradin | i've tried runing both the 2.4 and 2.6 install kernels |
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| 01:52.26 | gradin | any ideas? |
| 01:52.26 | paulfm | evening all |
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| 01:52.33 | azahid | anyone know the answer? |
| 01:52.42 | paulfm | does some kind soul feel like helping me get a soundcard working on my daughters mini-pc? |
| 01:53.42 | raf256 | paulfm: tried alsaconf as root? |
| 01:53.56 | raf256 | paulfm: which sound card? lspci | grep -i audio |
| 01:54.02 | eldowan | seems I may have a defective HDD... is this correct based on this info during boot (multiple times) and during general use of my workstation: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5244 |
| 01:54.16 | stoned | eldowan: hi |
| 01:54.23 | eldowan | stoned: hola |
| 01:54.29 | paulfm | raf: yes I did - but it does not find the card as PCI... although lspci does... then it scans ISA and just ends after sb16 |
| 01:54.56 | stoned | oh yeah |
| 01:55.07 | stoned | eldowan: you should run a badblocks scan just for the fuck of it |
| 01:55.21 | paulfm | raf: it is a small embedded computer with sound on the main chip |
| 01:55.48 | eldowan | stoned: bad blocks scan? fsck? |
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| 01:56.03 | paulfm | raf: lspci says a lot of text.... [Sis}7019 Audio Accelerator |
| 01:56.07 | gradin | so nobody has any ideas? |
| 01:56.12 | stoned | eldowan: man badblocks |
| 01:56.17 | eldowan | stoned: sweet. |
| 01:57.23 | stoned | eldowan: when is Joe Rogan supposed to come to town again? |
| 01:57.26 | dendrite | paulfm: What flavor of Debian are you running? |
| 01:57.44 | paulfm | I installed Deeian Sarge 2.6 kernel |
| 01:57.54 | paulfm | dendrite: :-) |
| 01:58.03 | stoned | I love that nickname btw |
| 01:58.04 | dendrite | paulfm: You may find upgrading to Etch helps. |
| 01:58.04 | paulfm | sorry for the smiley |
| 01:58.06 | stoned | dendrite: ! |
| 01:58.26 | raf256 | hey I have an idea for own program \o/ |
| 01:58.29 | raf256 | for linux |
| 01:58.39 | paulfm | dendrite: I though sarge was the latest version? |
| 01:58.40 | eldowan | stoned: I can't find the link right now, but I think it is like Feb 20th. if not then, right around that date. |
| 01:58.58 | stoned | eldowan: oooh.. its my older brother's bday on the 20th |
| 01:59.04 | stoned | if its on the 20th I can' tgo |
| 01:59.08 | dendrite | paulfm: Sarge is current stable. Etch is soon-to-be-released as the new stable. Etch is much more current, especially in device support. |
| 01:59.11 | paulfm | dendrite: I used netinstall because it needs to be a small install |
| 01:59.12 | stoned | but find out sometime and let me know |
| 01:59.25 | stoned | im gonna play some comedy |
| 01:59.47 | paulfm | dendrite: OK. Well I'll take a look. Does it have a netinsall... I'd guess it does? |
| 02:00.00 | dendrite | paulfm: You can just upgrade in place. |
| 02:00.11 | dendrite | paulfm: /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 02:00.23 | dendrite | paulfm: That will ask the friendly bot to tell you how to go to etch. |
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| 02:00.38 | paulfm | dendrite: can I upgrade with aptitude? |
| 02:00.47 | dendrite | paulfm: Yes, or apt-get. |
| 02:00.52 | paulfm | dendrite: oh - wow.. Ill try that |
| 02:01.10 | scane | I cannot start proftpd (standalone)... i get the following message... how can I set the IP address so he will find it ? http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3780/plain/ |
| 02:01.12 | dendrite | paulfm: /msg dpkg sarge->etch -- it's quite easy. |
| 02:01.31 | scane | this is debian sarge 3.1 |
| 02:01.53 | paulfm | dendrite: thanks so much. I have been using drivers as an excuse to delay her new multimedia computer... now I may have to listen to all her music! |
| 02:02.13 | dendrite | paulfm: Enjoy! =) |
| 02:02.20 | stoned | vsftpd > * |
| 02:02.21 | Azar | hello honorables |
| 02:02.25 | stoned | IMO |
| 02:02.27 | stoned | Azar: !!! |
| 02:02.29 | paulfm | dendrite: hehe.. thanks ;-) |
| 02:02.36 | stoned | my buddy dood man homie bro! |
| 02:02.45 | Azar | stoned!!! |
| 02:02.46 | stoned | whats goin' on dawg man dude! |
| 02:03.10 | Azar | goin excellent, worked 12 hours today |
| 02:03.32 | stoned | damn |
| 02:03.35 | stoned | !beer Azar |
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| 02:03.43 | stoned | fuckinb got |
| 02:03.48 | stoned | er.. fucking bot |
| 02:03.54 | stoned | well that was a helluva typo |
| 02:03.55 | Azar | yep got the beer just in front of my nose |
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| 02:04.27 | Azar | so who you code for now, stoned? |
| 02:04.40 | stoned | I was doing .NET for an oil company |
| 02:04.46 | stoned | Water logging systems |
| 02:04.51 | stoned | I do nothing now |
| 02:04.52 | stoned | I'm moving |
| 02:04.57 | holycow | neat |
| 02:05.01 | stoned | still need to find work |
| 02:05.16 | holycow | do oil companies use a lot of .net and such? |
| 02:05.17 | Azar | man, go back to Dell, Michael is back |
| 02:05.23 | stoned | lol |
| 02:05.25 | stoned | fuck Dell |
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| 02:05.56 | Azar | what a chance you lose: you could tell Michael how bad you were treated, kiss ass and make peace |
| 02:06.23 | Frodo1st | how would I go about changing my nick? |
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| 02:06.28 | stoned | I wasn't treated bad |
| 02:06.36 | stoned | if anything it was one of the best jobs I ever had |
| 02:06.43 | Azar | stoned: with a little lie you get far away |
| 02:06.44 | Frodo1st | what dell? |
| 02:06.44 | dendrite | Frodo1st: "/nick newnick" |
| 02:06.44 | stoned | I just didn't feel comfortable working there anymore |
| 02:06.58 | stoned | Azar: lying is the reason I quit Dell |
| 02:07.11 | Gnurdux | stoned, you mean you had to lie? |
| 02:07.11 | stoned | Azar: I maybe a pothead bro.. but I have my morals. |
| 02:07.13 | Frodo1st | dendrite: my computer froze, and I can't change my nick to my usual. What do I do about that? |
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| 02:07.19 | Azar | oh man, don't tell me now you are the CEO that just left? |
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| 02:07.45 | Azar | you ARE!!! |
| 02:07.49 | dendrite | Frodo1st: No idea. is this computer that froze running Debian? |
| 02:07.51 | stoned | huh? |
| 02:07.53 | Azar | omg omg |
| 02:07.57 | stoned | I'm lost |
| 02:07.59 | stoned | wtf are you on about |
| 02:08.02 | paulfm | is there an easy way to get gcc,autoconf,libtool etc... evertthing I need to build form sources. |
| 02:08.08 | raf256 | perhaps he is more stoned then you |
| 02:08.08 | stoned | you worked too much man.. go to bed :) |
| 02:08.11 | Frodo1st | dendrite: was. I've turned it off now. etch. I'm actually eldowan on the channel |
| 02:08.15 | stoned | raf256: than* |
| 02:08.18 | stoned | :) |
| 02:08.20 | paulfm | build from sources.... like apt-get install devel |
| 02:08.23 | raf256 | !smite stoned |
| 02:08.33 | Azar | mister Rollins.. |
| 02:08.34 | stoned | then == time, than == comparison |
| 02:08.49 | dendrite | Frodo1st: You mean nickserv won't recognize you? |
| 02:09.02 | Frodo1st | dendrite: [Nick] Nickname already in use, try a different one. |
| 02:09.16 | stoned | if your nickname is registered you can ghost it |
| 02:09.21 | paulfm | dendrite: is there an apt shortcut to installing all the tools to be able to build stuff from source?.. I dont have any compiler etc installed |
| 02:09.22 | stoned | I think you can ghost stuff on freenode too |
| 02:09.36 | Azar | hey stone go to Zune, Bryan Lee top exec just left... |
| 02:09.41 | markit | it worked |
| 02:09.43 | dendrite | paulfm: I don't know about any specific shortcut, since there are so many different possible tool chains. |
| 02:09.55 | stoned | Azar: I'm gonna try to give guitar lessons and try to find work as a luthier for a while |
| 02:09.57 | dendrite | paulfm: But it's not too hard to just apt-get (or aptitude) what you need. |
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| 02:10.05 | stoned | Azar: I think I'll go work on violins and guitars |
| 02:10.14 | paulfm | dendrite: so what is the best way to go about it... just install gcc and see what needed from there? |
| 02:10.19 | dendrite | paulfm: apt-cache search <keyword> can help you identify the package names you need... |
| 02:10.22 | Azar | guitar lessons to inoccent old ladies? |
| 02:10.28 | stoned | Azar: no |
| 02:10.32 | dendrite | paulfm: Yeah, that's what I'd do. |
| 02:10.35 | stoned | whoever wants em |
| 02:10.40 | stoned | or whoever is willing to pay for em |
| 02:10.41 | paulfm | dendrite: thanks again |
| 02:10.48 | dendrite | paulfm: build-essential might help. |
| 02:10.57 | stoned | !b-e |
| 02:10.58 | dpkg | If you get errors saying gcc cannot create executables, or that you can't find header files like stdio.h, you need to apt-get install build-essential |
| 02:10.59 | Azar | only innocent old ladies have the money and time for guitar lessons |
| 02:11.07 | paulfm | dendrite: great - looks like a good starting point |
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| 02:11.19 | stoned | Azar: heh, you're weird |
| 02:11.21 | stoned | :) |
| 02:11.34 | stoned | weird little man |
| 02:11.38 | lunaphyte | how can i get rid of old linux-image packages that barf on purging? |
| 02:11.41 | scane | i solved it.. i had to remove an extra line in /etc/hosts .. only localhost is needed there |
| 02:11.42 | Azar | stoned, psssttt.. sex sells better anytime |
| 02:11.47 | Frodo1st | I think I have a bad hdd. does the debian netinstall image have the ability to do a check on the disk? |
| 02:11.55 | Frodo1st | stoned: I am eldowan. :) |
| 02:11.56 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: just remove the postrm and purge them. |
| 02:12.00 | stoned | haha |
| 02:12.02 | stoned | word |
| 02:12.05 | stoned | frodo |
| 02:12.23 | Frodo1st | hey, don't bash it. its my firends PC I'm on. |
| 02:12.25 | Azar | stoned, night time sex machine day time coder, what can be best? |
| 02:12.27 | stoned | Frodo1st: so what did badblocks tell you.. how big is the hdd.. scan could take hours |
| 02:12.37 | stoned | Azar: hehe, you go boy! |
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| 02:12.42 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: i had considered that, but thought i might be asking for trouble down the road. |
| 02:12.49 | Frodo1st | stoned: I can't load the machine. Does the debian netinstall image provide that capability? |
| 02:13.19 | stoned | Frodo1st: I'm not sure.. |
| 02:13.30 | stoned | Frodo1st: take the disk out and put in a diff machine |
| 02:13.32 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: nah, it won't really make a difference, so long as you make sure that update-grub (or whatever) gets run and that your menu.lst is sane |
| 02:13.34 | stoned | test the disk first |
| 02:13.51 | Frodo1st | stoned: what do you mean test the disk first? |
| 02:13.53 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: i'll take your word for it. ;) |
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| 02:14.43 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: if you've got time to debug it, it may be useful, but if it doesn't happen with new versions of the kernel packages, it's not worth bothering about |
| 02:14.46 | stoned | Frodo1st: for badblocks.. DriveReady SeekComplete Error - usually means bad physical sectors |
| 02:15.10 | stoned | Frodo1st: when it is detects a bad block, it tells you what it is and it won't be able to read from it.. endless loop |
| 02:15.30 | Frodo1st | stoned: I mean I don't understand what else i would do. you referenced first. first == time :D |
| 02:15.39 | stoned | I'm lost man |
| 02:16.09 | Frodo1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:16.20 | stoned | yes badblocks scan |
| 02:16.46 | stoned | what exactly is error 40 uncorrectable error |
| 02:17.02 | Frodo1st | a badass I would wager |
| 02:17.38 | amphi | if you have bad blocks on a modern disk, it's probably dying (run out of realloc blocks) |
| 02:18.01 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: yeah, i guess i'm at that intersection now, where time has started to become more a function of skill - and i'm far from comfortable with perl. |
| 02:19.02 | stoned | amphi: I would think so |
| 02:19.27 | stoned | amphi: Frodo1st: it auto corrects and copies data to another block.. amphi seems to be right I think |
| 02:19.36 | Frodo1st | amphi: I'm not sure it is the hdd. I've had small problems with the machine from the get go. could it be the board, or sata bus..... |
| 02:19.41 | stoned | I've had a few 60GB WD drives (IDE) do this to me |
| 02:20.05 | stoned | Frodo1st: I suggested earlier that you should test the drive in a diff. machine |
| 02:20.17 | lunaphyte | dondelelcaro: btw - thanks for the suggestions and guidance the past few days. it's much appreciated. |
| 02:20.18 | stoned | see if dmesg logs any errors about this |
| 02:20.31 | stoned | don is the shiznit! |
| 02:20.50 | Frodo1st | stoned: The only machine I can test in is currently tied up ATM, and can't be powered down for another hour or so. |
| 02:20.54 | Frodo1st | don? |
| 02:21.01 | stoned | yeh |
| 02:21.02 | dondelelcaro | lunaphyte: np |
| 02:21.04 | Frodo1st | ah, nm |
| 02:21.11 | stoned | hehe |
| 02:21.51 | stoned | what is the minimal amount of ram required (absolute minimum) to run X+fluxbox etc. |
| 02:21.57 | Frodo1st | I'm still getting nickname in use, try another... how long should this go on before it releases my nick? |
| 02:21.57 | stoned | 32mb? |
| 02:22.00 | stoned | 64? |
| 02:22.14 | stoned | on a sarge install that is |
| 02:22.23 | holycow | http://code.google.com/p/avant-window-navigator/ <-- nifty |
| 02:22.33 | dondelelcaro | Frodo1st: use nickserv to ghost it |
| 02:22.34 | stoned | minimal amount of RAM required to run X+fluxbox on Sarge? |
| 02:22.48 | dondelelcaro | stoned: you can probably get away with 32M on a small monitor |
| 02:22.49 | stoned | Frodo1st: I said ghost it like 10 minutes ago :) |
| 02:22.57 | Frodo1st | dondelelcaro: I don't understand. stoned: i missed it. |
| 02:22.58 | xored | i just installed php 5.2.0 under debian sarge, but getting a segmentation fault in the logs. Is that to fix ? |
| 02:23.06 | dondelelcaro | Frodo1st: /msg nickserv help |
| 02:23.27 | dondelelcaro | !+info php5 sarge |
| 02:23.29 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:23.33 | dpkg | Package 'php5' does not exist. |
| 02:23.36 | dondelelcaro | xored: php5 from where? |
| 02:23.39 | stoned | hey bud hows the weather down south Frodo1st |
| 02:23.42 | stoned | its snowing here |
| 02:23.43 | stoned | bad |
| 02:23.55 | Frodo1st | stoned: just about 40F and a slight drizzle. :D |
| 02:24.30 | eldowan | aaaah! so nice to be me again! |
| 02:24.38 | eldowan | dondelelcaro: stoned: thanks for the help |
| 02:24.38 | xored | dondelelcaro: http://packages.dotdeb.org stable all ( dont beat me up cause of that ) |
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| 02:24.48 | eldowan | stoned: see, a stupid stoner does know something! :D :D |
| 02:25.03 | stoned | yeh |
| 02:25.12 | stoned | I get picked on all the time.. I don't mind |
| 02:25.15 | dondelelcaro | xored: well, then figure out why it's segfaulting; could be linked against the wrong versions of libraries, or it could have bugs. Just it segfaulting isn't really enough information, though. |
| 02:25.16 | stoned | its entertaining |
| 02:25.42 | stew | xored: do you have a reason to use the dotdeb packages instead of the backports.org packages? |
| 02:26.03 | stoned | eldowan: my sense of self respect was shot years ago.. I don't new friends or any respect from anyone.. |
| 02:26.08 | gradin | does anybody exit |
| 02:26.08 | xored | stew: no. no reason. I cant find php 5.2.0 on backports |
| 02:26.22 | stoned | *mutters* get this damn jmb ata controller to work |
| 02:26.27 | eldowan | stoned: referring to the nfs conversation where you got unjustly railed on. |
| 02:26.27 | stew | xored: oh you need specifically 5.2,not just 5.x? |
| 02:26.30 | stoned | grumble grubmble |
| 02:26.49 | stoned | eldowan: i know |
| 02:26.58 | stoned | eldowan: it doesn't matter, its in the past :) |
| 02:27.03 | eldowan | true that |
| 02:27.06 | xored | stew: Yes, just because of the many security fixes with the 5.2 branch |
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| 02:27.33 | eldowan | well, i'm just sitting on my thumbs waiting for this machine to be able to power down... oh what fun |
| 02:28.00 | xored | dondelelcaro: how could i get more information ? iam getting that error out of the error.log of apache2. It does not hapen with 5.1.x |
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| 02:28.21 | n3kl | Hi. |
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| 02:28.50 | stoned | thumb twiddling |
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| 02:30.53 | daedalus_ | !beer jamesrk |
| 02:31.26 | xored | stew: according to that, 5.2.X is in the backports, or : http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ |
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| 02:33.33 | rares000 | what's the deal with /usr/bin/mysql_upgrade: unknown variable 'host=localhost' |
| 02:33.50 | rares000 | phpmydamin sits there doing nothing |
| 02:34.09 | rares000 | webmin mysql module can't delete |
| 02:34.13 | rares000 | dbs |
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| 02:34.46 | daedalus_ | does the apt message "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" followed by the package list mean that the packages were never signed, or does it mean that my keyring is janky? |
| 02:35.19 | eldowan | is there a jre ported for debian? |
| 02:35.23 | mfrisch | daedalus_: probally your keyring |
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| 02:35.48 | daedalus_ | mfrisch: any clue? I did the apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
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| 02:38.35 | bbelt16a1 | hey peeps |
| 02:38.41 | bbelt16a1 | got a quick question.. |
| 02:38.54 | dvs | shoot |
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| 02:39.09 | bbelt16a1 | how would i make grep search for pattern 1 and pattern 2? |
| 02:39.22 | dvs | bbelt16a1: two greps? |
| 02:39.23 | bbelt16a1 | now i know what ur fixing to say it does that with the -f option.. |
| 02:39.24 | daedalus_ | mfrisch: Ah, needed to install the 2006 key as well |
| 02:39.26 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 02:39.42 | bbelt16a1 | i want pat 1 and pat 2 the file opting does pat1 or pat 2 |
| 02:39.52 | bbelt16a1 | hmmm |
| 02:39.53 | mfrisch | daedalus_: I would think it would have both. |
| 02:40.08 | daedalus_ | mfrisch: didn't seem to |
| 02:40.16 | dvs | bbelt16a1: grep pat1 | grep pat2 ? |
| 02:40.27 | bbelt16a1 | havent tried it dvs will check |
| 02:41.51 | daedalus_ | bbelt16a1, That's what you want |
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| 02:42.28 | bbelt16a1 | figured it out |
| 02:42.34 | bbelt16a1 | yeah it is |
| 02:42.40 | daedalus_ | bbelt16a1, you may wish to look up the | operator. It's a handy tool to have in your pocket |
| 02:42.56 | bbelt16a1 | grep -i pat 1 files.txt | grep -i pat2 | less |
| 02:42.58 | bbelt16a1 | ok |
| 02:43.12 | bbelt16a1 | i know about it just had a brain fart geesh. ty for the help and brain massagin :) |
| 02:43.26 | daedalus_ | Hehe. No prob. Props to dvs |
| 02:43.28 | eldowan | | is my friend |
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| 02:43.37 | dvs | bbelt16a1: I was brain farting all day today. ;-) |
| 02:44.21 | mfrisch | dvs I have all month |
| 02:44.32 | dvs | heh |
| 02:44.34 | xored | anyway to instal php5-mysqli under debian sarge ( i cant find it on backports, just installed 5.2.0-8..but mysqli missing ) |
| 02:44.38 | dvs | hey! This month has only one day so far! |
| 02:44.52 | mfrisch | dvs last month too ;-) |
| 02:45.12 | dvs | chrismas bills? |
| 02:45.50 | mfrisch | jewish here umm bills suck no matter what religion |
| 02:45.58 | dvs | true |
| 02:46.04 | dvs | taxes suck even more! |
| 02:46.36 | mfrisch | it not that taxes suck...its what we get for our money! |
| 02:46.50 | dvs | !prize mfrisch |
| 02:46.56 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:48.08 | holycow | i love taxes |
| 02:48.13 | holycow | i love what they get me |
| 02:48.21 | holycow | i also like lawyers |
| 02:48.27 | dvs | holycow: George? Is that you? |
| 02:48.35 | eldowan | ouch |
| 02:48.36 | holycow | i've run into some things accidentally that would of really hurt if it wasn't for lawyers |
| 02:48.47 | holycow | people complain about the wrong things i think :) |
| 02:48.52 | dvs | holycow: and spilt some coffee? |
| 02:49.03 | holycow | lol oh i wish |
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| 02:49.09 | holycow | you won't believe me if i told you |
| 02:49.29 | eldowan | what package provides gcc? |
| 02:49.36 | dvs | gcc? |
| 02:49.40 | dvs | gcc-4.0? |
| 02:49.51 | dvs | !find gcc |
| 02:49.51 | justin | dvs: of course not, it's obviously gee-cee-cee |
| 02:50.01 | dvs | heh |
| 02:50.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gcc' (9 of 50): (/usr/bin/gnatgcc) in devel/gnat ;; (/usr/bin/gcc272) in devel/gcc272 ;; (/usr/bin/sbigccd) in science/indi ;; (/lib/libgcc_s.so.1) in libs/libgcc1 ;; (/usr/bin/gcc-2.95) in devel/gcc-2.95 ;; (/usr/bin/gccontrol) in devel/ccontrol ;; (/usr/bin/x86-oskit-gcc) in devel/oskit ;; (/usr/bin/gccmakedep) in x11/xutils-dev ;; (/usr/lib/aap/tools/gcc.py) in devel/aap. |
| 02:50.25 | mfrisch | holycow: trust me I heard worst. a "relative" managed to get into three seperate accidents all at the same time and two with police cars |
| 02:50.38 | holycow | oh thats nothing |
| 02:50.44 | holycow | i'll tell you mine |
| 02:50.46 | dvs | sue them! |
| 02:50.52 | holycow | i live in one town on a street a |
| 02:51.00 | holycow | i work in a nother town |
| 02:51.07 | holycow | i lease a car from the town i work in |
| 02:51.10 | holycow | so |
| 02:51.17 | holycow | one day i go to the store and read about a missing girl |
| 02:51.18 | dvs | !info build-essential |
| 02:51.18 | holycow | well |
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| 02:51.30 | holycow | it turns out the girl lived on the same block as me (i never met her) |
| 02:51.31 | mfrisch | holycow: he was in the police cruzer when the second happened. then another car hit another cruzer. |
| 02:51.42 | holycow | they found her body in a suitcase a mile from where i work |
| 02:51.49 | justin | !tell holycow about enter |
| 02:52.00 | holycow | guess who they were looking for until they found out the boyfriend did it? |
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| 02:52.35 | dvs | holycow: criminal! |
| 02:52.38 | dondelelcaro | holycow: looking for? as in they were incompetent enough not to have found you almost immediately? |
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| 02:52.49 | holycow | when you find your self in something like that, you REALLY REALLY start to LOVE good lawyers |
| 02:53.20 | holycow | dondelelcaro, i don't pretend to understand the police force, the lawyer really knew her shit. mostly told me about their incopetence and how to handle the whole thing |
| 02:53.21 | dvs | holycow: any decent lawyer would do in that case |
| 02:53.47 | holycow | sure, hence, i like lawyers despite the fact they can be as unethical as anyone else |
| 02:54.00 | mfrisch | holycow: no judgement....but I have never been suspected of murder lately. The fbi liked taking pictures of me once. |
| 02:54.04 | eldowan | so why do you like taxes? |
| 02:54.13 | holycow | mfrisch, pretty scary |
| 02:54.13 | dvs | ..now if you caused an accident and they got you off, that's a good lawyer |
| 02:54.56 | holycow | eldowan, oh because i live in canada which happens to be next door to the us ... we get to see what happens to cities when you don't put enough back into society |
| 02:55.11 | holycow | sounds self righteous but its only a personal opinion |
| 02:55.12 | dvs | holycow: no kidding! |
| 02:55.25 | mfrisch | holycow: It was because of "friends" not because of me, I was just at a party in college |
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| 02:55.43 | holycow | mfrisch, hey man, all the same. wrong place wrong time. |
| 02:55.51 | holycow | they say you have nothing to worry about if you didn't do anything |
| 02:55.51 | dvs | mfrisch: were your friends really in trouble? |
| 02:55.56 | eldowan | holycow: I can understand that. born and raised in the US |
| 02:55.57 | holycow | the truth is actually not quite that simple |
| 02:56.56 | gravity | dvs: Word |
| 02:56.58 | gravity | dondelelcaro: ^ |
| 02:57.13 | mfrisch | dvs I lived in the crossroads of the west, drugs guns were everywhere. for a small town there was allways a presence. |
| 02:57.24 | dvs | oh ok. |
| 02:57.24 | gravity | dondelelcaro: I hope they can see you, 'cause you're doing it as hard as you can |
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| 02:58.03 | stoned | crossroads |
| 02:58.12 | dvs | stoned: hello |
| 02:58.26 | stoned | dvs: whats goingon bud |
| 02:58.37 | dvs | nuthin. Just winding down for the night. |
| 02:58.47 | stoned | yeh, I'm about to get some beers |
| 02:58.50 | mfrisch | stoned: flagstaff az thats why I asked about Indians and OK. I lived on one of the largest reservations left |
| 02:59.04 | stoned | mfrisch: I stay in OKC and soon moving to houston |
| 02:59.21 | stoned | but Crossroads is a good movie |
| 02:59.37 | mfrisch | stoned: big difference I lived one hour from tuba city thats another world |
| 02:59.54 | dvs | Tuby city? No THAT's a name! |
| 03:00.06 | dvs | Now |
| 03:00.08 | eldowan | dvs: tuba |
| 03:00.09 | stoned | with a very young Steve Vai, and a much faggier than The Karate Kid's Ralph Machio |
| 03:00.21 | dvs | oh. typing fart! |
| 03:00.39 | eldowan | stoned: seen crossworlds? |
| 03:00.50 | stoned | no |
| 03:00.56 | stoned | cant say |
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| 03:01.33 | eldowan | I think thats the name anyway. |
| 03:02.04 | n3kl | How can I set rpc.mountd to s static port? |
| 03:02.12 | n3kl | or lockd |
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| 03:02.39 | dvs | stoned: what are you going to do in Houston? |
| 03:02.58 | stoned | I was thinking about living. |
| 03:03.04 | stoned | if thats ok with you |
| 03:03.06 | stoned | :D |
| 03:03.11 | dvs | I meant working! Grr.... |
| 03:03.14 | stoned | lol |
| 03:03.16 | stoned | yeah |
| 03:03.25 | stoned | and I'm pretty sure I'm getting married too |
| 03:03.31 | stoned | no set date yet |
| 03:03.35 | stoned | but families are working it out |
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| 03:04.07 | dvs | just don't get into the gun culture down there. ;-) |
| 03:04.15 | mfrisch | stoned: you could allways work for dell ;-) |
| 03:04.26 | dvs | doh! |
| 03:04.46 | dvs | ...or get revenge! |
| 03:04.56 | eldowan | dvs: a gunrack in every pickup. |
| 03:04.57 | mfrisch | dvs gun culture you can buy a 9 at a drive-through |
| 03:05.08 | dvs | o_O |
| 03:05.23 | n3kl | any ideas on setting lockd or mountd to a static port? |
| 03:05.55 | mfrisch | dvs the thickest bullet reseistant glass I ever saw was in armarillo |
| 03:05.55 | eldowan | dvs: not really that much, but I live out in the woods, or at least I grew up there. |
| 03:06.14 | dvs | mfrisch: but that's so far north! |
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| 03:07.15 | mfrisch | dvs man driving through texas's top is enough for me, I would go through wiscosin and cut over.... |
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| 03:09.05 | JoeBlacken | hi, is there a tutorial on how to create DEB files? |
| 03:09.29 | dvs | JoeBlacken: apt-get install hello |
| 03:09.38 | eldowan | mfrisch: texas is actually quite nice. Austin is beautiful too. |
| 03:09.49 | JoeBlacken | dvs, I want to create not install |
| 03:09.56 | Guerin | JoeBlacken: /msg dpkg nm guide |
| 03:09.58 | dvs | JoeBlacken: trust me |
| 03:10.02 | Guerin | dvs: step away from the bong |
| 03:10.17 | dvs | !info hello |
| 03:10.20 | dpkg | hello: (The classic greeting, and a good example), section devel, is optional. Version: 2.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 42 kB, Installed size: 588 kB |
| 03:10.34 | JoeBlacken | dvs, ok, I will |
| 03:10.35 | mfrisch | eldowan: I like the mountains desert thats ok but flatlands get to me |
| 03:11.11 | eldowan | mfrisch: austin isn't flatlands. Houston is, but there is the valley, desert, and coastal. |
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| 03:15.12 | eldowan | well I seem to have a way of shutting everyone up :/ |
| 03:15.20 | Kiba-kun | hello |
| 03:15.30 | eldowan | hidey ho! |
| 03:15.31 | Kiba-kun | I seem to have trouble starting up KDE |
| 03:15.31 | dvs | eldowan: you HAD to say something! ;-) |
| 03:15.47 | Guerin | Kiba-kun: perfect, you've succeeded. |
| 03:15.48 | Kiba-kun | so I am on here on window |
| 03:15.48 | eldowan | dvs: sometimes I just can't keep my big trap shut! |
| 03:15.58 | Guerin | Kiba-kun: now don't fuck with anything and you'll be fine :) |
| 03:16.10 | Kiba-kun | I am on Window XP |
| 03:16.11 | eldowan | Guerin: hey, I *like* kde |
| 03:16.19 | Guerin | eldowan: you have my condolences. |
| 03:16.35 | eldowan | Guerin: seriously, what is wrong with kde? |
| 03:16.41 | Kiba-kun | only reason I am here because I couldn't figure out how to geet irssi to start |
| 03:16.47 | eldowan | Guerin: n/m i believe Kiba-kunh has a problem... |
| 03:17.09 | Kiba-kun | plus there seem to be no such thing as sudo |
| 03:17.14 | Kiba-kun | odd |
| 03:17.14 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: is this a new install? have you had X working beofre? |
| 03:17.16 | mfrisch | eldowan: Guerinwould say that no matter what you said |
| 03:17.19 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: you need to install sudo |
| 03:17.20 | Kiba-kun | new install |
| 03:17.25 | Guerin | eldowan: kde is a mack truck you drive to the shops |
| 03:17.30 | Kiba-kun | from the net |
| 03:17.39 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: as root, aptitude install sudo |
| 03:17.48 | Guerin | eldowan: wtf, |
| 03:17.51 | Guerin | why sudo? |
| 03:18.01 | eldowan | Guerin: Kiba-kunsayd he doesn't have it. |
| 03:18.08 | Guerin | but he doesn't need it ... |
| 03:18.11 | Guerin | ... |
| 03:18.17 | Kiba-kun | I couldn't get KDE stuff up |
| 03:18.47 | eldowan | Guerin: so you are saying that kde is what gets the work done, and the others are the little commuter packages that just cant hang with the heavy lifting? |
| 03:18.49 | concept10 | stoned, |
| 03:18.53 | Kiba-kun | I am new to linux. No need to freak out.... Everything in linux need to be learned from stratch. This...is..not..window.. |
| 03:19.20 | Kiba-kun | Debian win because it managed to get installed and isn't a pain in the ass to use. |
| 03:19.44 | Kiba-kun | Ubuntu only managed to get past CD burning stage but only boot up halfway |
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| 03:20.01 | mfrisch | Kiba-kun: its ok Guerin forgets this is a help channel someetimes ;-) |
| 03:20.04 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: do you have xserver-xorg installed? |
| 03:20.11 | Kiba-kun | don't know |
| 03:20.39 | Kiba-kun | I like the smell of stratch installation. No bloats to deal with.. |
| 03:20.47 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: while you are here, would you give a summary of what you remembered installing? |
| 03:21.02 | dvs | like the version of Debian? |
| 03:21.09 | Kiba-kun | I remembered installing Debian Sarge |
| 03:21.11 | Kiba-kun | net |
| 03:21.17 | dvs | so it's XFree86 |
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| 03:21.42 | eldowan | aah, I didn't know sarge provided a net install, so I assumed etch. |
| 03:22.03 | Kiba-kun | did I download an old version or something |
| 03:22.12 | mfrisch | older |
| 03:22.16 | Kiba-kun | I am a clueless newbie in the giant land of linux |
| 03:22.25 | dvs | Kiba-kun: it's current but the next version is just around the corner |
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| 03:22.43 | Kiba-kun | ok...so I get this KDE stuff up and running? |
| 03:23.28 | karsten | Is there anythign under /proc or in networking diagnostic tools that will show retransmission rates fo TCP packets due to networking issues? |
| 03:23.52 | Kiba-kun | it seem that I got a lot to learn about linux. |
| 03:24.10 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: ok, so you did a net install of sarge. did you tell it to install a desktop environment during the install process? |
| 03:24.16 | Kiba-kun | yes |
| 03:26.13 | karsten | Hrm. more /proc/sys/net/ipvr/*retr* | cat |
| 03:27.05 | karsten | rm, s/ipvr/ipv4/ |
| 03:27.07 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: does it look like a GUI is trying to start when it loads? the screen goes black, and then drops you to a login prompt? |
| 03:27.10 | karsten | s/rm/rhm/ |
| 03:27.14 | karsten | s/rhm/hrm/ |
| 03:27.18 | karsten | !shoot me |
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| 03:27.39 | eldowan | !shoot karsten again |
| 03:27.51 | eldowan | sweet :D |
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| 03:27.55 | Kiba-kun | don't think so |
| 03:28.14 | theblue | Ewww. |
| 03:28.31 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: when it booted, you were able to see the text mode bootup all the way until it was at a login prompt? |
| 03:28.34 | karsten | theblue: Coulda been beaver.... |
| 03:28.45 | theblue | karsten, Coulda been cat. |
| 03:28.50 | Kiba-kun | it was text mode bootup all the way |
| 03:29.56 | eldowan | others feel free to chime in as I don't want to mis-guide him |
| 03:30.29 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: I would guess that you need to install the x-window-system package or something similiar. if you like kde, then also the kde and kdm packages for a full kde experience. |
| 03:30.46 | karsten | eldowan: I missed the start of this. However doing a tasksel install of desktop seems like a good way to renormalize the system. |
| 03:31.44 | Kiba-kun | ok |
| 03:31.50 | mfrisch | Kiba-kun: type as root: dpkg -l|grep xserver |
| 03:31.53 | Kiba-kun | I am going to try that and install additional missing packages |
| 03:31.53 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: next time you log in, run startx that should try to bring up kde. one of two things will happen. startx isnt found, which means you will need to install X, or it will try to load it, and bring you back to the cli. if that happens, get the file /var/lob/xfree86 or something similiar |
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| 03:36.05 | Kiba-kun | bye |
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| 03:41.00 | zachhale | is bind a dhcp server? |
| 03:41.08 | indra | hi evryone |
| 03:41.20 | karsten | zachhale: No. |
| 03:41.25 | zachhale | what is karsten ? |
| 03:41.26 | Ronin | zachhale: dns |
| 03:41.27 | karsten | zachhale: dhcpd is a dhcp server |
| 03:41.31 | zachhale | oh |
| 03:41.32 | zachhale | :) |
| 03:41.34 | zachhale | thanks |
| 03:42.04 | indra | anyone here know how to install dpkg package? |
| 03:42.16 | karsten | zachhale: There's a few others, notably udhcpd and dhcp3-server |
| 03:42.25 | zachhale | yeah, dhcpd is what i was looking for |
| 03:42.27 | karsten | indra: Nope. |
| 03:42.31 | karsten | indra: man dpkg |
| 03:42.40 | zachhale | i didnt realize one of our servers was serving dhcp and wanted to find out how so :) |
| 03:43.04 | dings | What would be the simplest way to limit outgoing traffic on eth0. just a cap. |
| 03:43.20 | karsten | dings: probably QoA |
| 03:43.20 | indra | i have installed new embedded linux..but there is no dpkg package...what can I do to install everything without dpkg? |
| 03:43.24 | karsten | dings: erm, QoS |
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| 03:43.46 | indra | I think that is the key to install other packages |
| 03:43.49 | karsten | indra: Ah. Well, your best bet is to get dpkg installed. |
| 03:44.04 | etrask | hmmm |
| 03:44.11 | karsten | indra: DEBs are a gzipped 'ar' archive containing two tar files. |
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| 03:44.26 | dondelelcaro | man 5 deb; for details |
| 03:44.29 | karsten | indra: ... so if you've got gzip, ar, and tar, you can do the rest manually. |
| 03:44.30 | LunarCrisis | I have a series of files foo1.png, foo2.png, ..., foo12.png, and I want to change them to all have three digit numbers. What is the easiest way to do this? |
| 03:44.48 | eldowan | rename? |
| 03:44.51 | LunarCrisis | s/easiest/most powerful/ =p |
| 03:44.56 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: rename with sprintf |
| 03:45.02 | LunarCrisis | I want to be able to do it fast for a large number of files |
| 03:45.12 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: again, rename with sprintf |
| 03:45.20 | karsten | LunarCrisis: So: foo1.png => foo001.png ? |
| 03:45.24 | LunarCrisis | dondelelcaro, would I have to do that from c? |
| 03:45.29 | LunarCrisis | karsten, exactly |
| 03:45.29 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: no, it's perl. |
| 03:45.31 | karsten | LunarCrisis: No. |
| 03:45.32 | etrask | Etch RC1 hates my video card (as near as I can tell), but I don't know enough about the problem to report it as a bug |
| 03:45.36 | indra | karsten-- yes..can you guide me how to install it.. I have downloaded dpkg package in .deb. and in .tar.gz, and then? |
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| 03:45.37 | etrask | anything I can do about this? |
| 03:46.41 | eldowan | Kiba-kun: how did it go? |
| 03:46.41 | karsten | LunarCrisis: ... not from c. There's a printf shell utility, awk can be used as well, or perl or any other scripting language. |
| 03:46.41 | dondelelcaro | rename 's/(\d+)/sprintf(q(%03d),$1))/e' FE. |
| 03:46.41 | karsten | indra: Sorry, busy. |
| 03:46.42 | karsten | indra: Ask channel. dondelelcaro is clueful if he's got bandwidth. |
| 03:46.42 | LunarCrisis | karsten, ah, okay |
| 03:46.56 | LunarCrisis | dondelelcaro, that middle part is perl, right? |
| 03:47.01 | Kiba-kun | didn't detect x stuff |
| 03:47.05 | Kiba-kun | and uh warn me not to remove kernel image |
| 03:47.08 | Kiba-kun | was doing an upgrade |
| 03:47.16 | dondelelcaro | indra: ar x foo.deb; then tar -zxf data.tar.gz -C /; or similar. |
| 03:47.43 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: yes |
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| 03:47.59 | dondelelcaro | LunarCrisis: perldoc perlretut; perldoc -f sprintf; |
| 03:48.47 | dings | Can I put a cap on outgoing traffic with iptables or some such? |
| 03:48.51 | indra | dondelelcar-- so, first, tar the package: x foo.deb, second, tar dpkg.tar.gz -C / |
| 03:49.47 | eldowan | does the debian netinstall for etch provide capabilities for scanning a HDD for errors? |
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| 03:50.41 | karsten | eldowan: badblocks, yes, on filesystem creation. |
| 03:50.46 | indra | dondelelcaro-- just 2 line that I must do to install dpkg? |
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| 03:51.09 | dondelelcaro | indra: no; just run exactly the commands that I gave. ar x dpkg_fooversion.deb; tar -zxf data.tar.gz -C /; |
| 03:51.18 | eldowan | karsten: I have a hdd that I think is going out. can I use the netinstall to check it? fsck -c? |
| 03:51.24 | dondelelcaro | (assuming you want to put dpkg into / and not somwhere else) |
| 03:51.39 | karsten | eldowan: That or run smartmontools on it (say from Knoppix). |
| 03:52.20 | eldowan | karsten: which would be preferrable? I'm going to be leaving it running all night, as I'm about to leave work. |
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| 03:52.47 | indra | dondelelcaro-- ok, and of course I need to download the package dpkg_fooversion.deb? |
| 03:52.47 | Asche | hi, i have a package that is kernel-image-2.6-k7 |
| 03:52.49 | Asche | but |
| 03:52.55 | Asche | what version of 2.6 ?¿ |
| 03:52.58 | Asche | is ? |
| 03:53.06 | Asche | (i have debian sid |
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| 03:53.36 | indra | dondelelcaro-- how about data.tar.gz? how to get it? |
| 03:53.37 | dondelelcaro | indra: uh... why in the world are you doing this? |
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| 03:54.02 | dondelelcaro | indra: and more importantly, why are you not using debootstrap to bootstrap your architecture? |
| 03:54.12 | miller[] | anyone know what could possibly cause apt-get's "Setting up xcursor-themes (1.0.1-5) ..." to fail or how I could go about finding out? |
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| 03:54.45 | dondelelcaro | miller[]: depends on where it failed; have you checked the bts first? |
| 03:55.02 | indra | dondelelcaro-- for research..but sorry..I am a newbie... |
| 03:55.12 | miller[] | dondelelcaro, no I don't know what that is |
| 03:55.19 | eldowan | but tracking system |
| 03:55.20 | dondelelcaro | !bts |
| 03:55.21 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 03:56.36 | indra | dondelelcaro-- i don't know how to bootstrap |
| 03:57.05 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, thanks for introducing pgf to me. i got addicted! |
| 03:57.31 | miller[] | dondelelcaro, none of those bugs sound like it. |
| 03:58.38 | dondelelcaro | miller[]: then you'll have to provide the full output of the apt-get run; /msg dpkg bat; and follow the instructions |
| 03:58.49 | dondelelcaro | tuvwx: np; it's pretty nifty. Let me know if you come up with anything cool |
| 03:58.50 | karsten | LunarCrisis: echo foo2.png | awk ' {orig=$1; num=$1; gsub("[^0-9]", "", num); prefix = substr( $1, 1, index($1, num) - 1 ); suffix = substr( $1, index($1, num) + length(num) ); num=sprintf( "%03d", num ); printf( "mv %s %s%s%s\n", orig, prefix, num, suffix )}' |
| 03:59.02 | karsten | LunarCrisis: Ugly, but it works. |
| 03:59.06 | LunarCrisis | wow |
| 03:59.17 | karsten | LunarCrisis: feed the output to bash or save to a script and run it. |
| 03:59.35 | justin | karsten: what is that supposed to do? |
| 03:59.48 | justin | oh, i see |
| 03:59.54 | karsten | justin: mv foo2.png foo002.png |
| 04:00.19 | karsten | justin: also handles multi-digit numbers: mv foo23.png foo023.png |
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| 04:00.54 | karsten | LunarCrisis: If you feed that the list of files to be renamed (one per line) it'll generate the rename script for you. |
| 04:01.17 | eldowan | ls *.png | awk....? |
| 04:01.25 | karsten | eldowan: Sure. |
| 04:01.33 | Guerin | you might want ls -1 |
| 04:01.42 | justin | karsten: /lastlog rename ? :) |
| 04:01.45 | Guerin | mm, i forget |
| 04:01.45 | eldowan | similar? [21:46] <dondelelcaro> rename 's/(\d+)/sprintf(q(%03d),$1))/e' FE. |
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| 04:01.54 | LunarCrisis | ooh, that works nicely |
| 04:01.59 | karsten | Guerin: streamed ls gives one file per line. |
| 04:02.06 | karsten | eldowan: Right. |
| 04:02.07 | LunarCrisis | thanks karsten |
| 04:02.25 | karsten | eldowan: That's actually prettier, I think. |
| 04:02.25 | LunarCrisis | it's really long though >.< |
| 04:02.41 | miller[] | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5248 |
| 04:02.45 | karsten | LunarCrisis: As I said, it's ugly. Lets you look at the output before you run it. |
| 04:02.46 | eldowan | karsten: don't thank me, it was dondelelcaro's |
| 04:02.56 | karsten | eldowan: I'm not thanking you ;-) |
| 04:03.07 | eldowan | :o) |
| 04:03.10 | justin | yes, with rename always a good idea to run rename -n first :) |
| 04:03.54 | LunarCrisis | once I learned about the printf command I ended up doing this: for i in `seq 1 27` ; do echo mv foo${i}.png foo$(printf "%03d" $i).png; done |
| 04:04.03 | LunarCrisis | but that's less flexible |
| 04:04.09 | eldowan | I wonder how long a check of a 120 or 160 GB hdd would take scanning for badblocks |
| 04:04.11 | karsten | LunarCrisis: Mine basically takes the filename apart as "bits before the number, the number, bits after the number, writes the number as a zero-padded three digits, and writes out the resulting 'mv' command. |
| 04:04.20 | LunarCrisis | ah |
| 04:04.23 | justin | LunarCrisis: oh, yea, if the foo and extension part is constant that's much easier |
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| 04:04.28 | karsten | LunarCrisis: TMTOWTDI |
| 04:04.43 | LunarCrisis | yup |
| 04:04.50 | karsten | eldowan: A while. Really depends on the disk speed. |
| 04:04.54 | lncast | eldowan: zcav the drive, estimate |
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| 04:05.09 | karsten | eldowan: ... and how much trouble it runs into in the process. |
| 04:05.32 | eldowan | karsten: I'm hopefully going to start it in about 5 mins, and I'll be back in about 18 hours to check pu on it. |
| 04:05.54 | indra | dondelelcaro-- |
| 04:06.13 | miller[] | dondelelcaro: so that's my paste. it's probable that it's colinux' fault the system dies (beta service letting linux run on top of some host os).. but I guess I could just skip this package if possible (but don't know how) |
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| 04:07.13 | Ilovemypuppy | when it etch gonna be moved to stable? |
| 04:07.20 | eldowan | !wwer |
| 04:07.21 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html ; Etch is currently frozen. For details about what this means, read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00004.html |
| 04:07.32 | Ilovemypuppy | WIR? |
| 04:07.36 | eldowan | !wir |
| 04:07.37 | dpkg | i guess wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 04:07.41 | Ilovemypuppy | Aw man |
| 04:07.44 | karsten | Ilovemypuppy: As soon as they finish cleaning out the stalls. |
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| 04:08.57 | karsten | Erm, Augean. |
| 04:08.58 | Guerin | karsten: whoar! |
| 04:09.09 | Guerin | oh, not Aegean, as in the sea, as in greek? |
| 04:09.20 | eldowan | karsten: maybe in an Augean stable? |
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| 04:09.27 | karsten | Guerin: Augean, as in Ageas, king of Elis. |
| 04:09.39 | karsten | eldowan: You're guessing! |
| 04:09.40 | Guerin | never heard of 'im |
| 04:09.50 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, well i don't know about cool, but here are my first two attempts: http://qlink.queensu.ca/~4ak21/test2.pdf |
| 04:09.55 | eldowan | karsten: you could tell? dammit |
| 04:10.13 | karsten | Guerin: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augeas http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Twelve_Labours http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heracles |
| 04:11.01 | holycow | allrighty |
| 04:11.09 | holycow | our disk imaging line is ready to go :) |
| 04:11.23 | holycow | from here on in we just plug hds into desktops and laptops |
| 04:11.23 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, i already had the first one done in xfig, but couldn't resist redoing it. too much fun! |
| 04:11.29 | holycow | thanks for the help guys |
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| 04:12.16 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, btw, these aren't published yet, so comments are welcome |
| 04:12.16 | karsten | Guerin: Heracles learned music from Linus |
| 04:12.23 | kiba | how do you tell it to shut down the computer? |
| 04:12.41 | karsten | kiba: shutdown -h <timespec> |
| 04:12.45 | kiba | thanks |
| 04:12.46 | karsten | kiba: Requires acpi |
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| 04:13.02 | karsten | kiba: Otherwise it halts at "System halted" w/o killing power. |
| 04:13.08 | etrask | so for some reason Linux (in general) doesn't like my video card |
| 04:13.17 | etrask | ...and it's a pretty old one, not top of the line at all |
| 04:13.24 | tuvwx | etrask, what chip? |
| 04:13.25 | etrask | Ubuntu had this problem and so does Etch RC1 |
| 04:13.28 | etrask | Radeon 9550 |
| 04:13.51 | tuvwx | etrask, tried the radeon X driver? |
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| 04:14.00 | etrask | oh god... I have no idea how |
| 04:14.12 | etrask | I can barely get a grip on running linux SOFTWARE |
| 04:14.25 | tuvwx | etrask, hey, it's all software ;) |
| 04:14.42 | etrask | right... I must say the new GNOME looks beautiful |
| 04:14.53 | dansushi | does anyone here know where the equivalent of '/etc/sysconfig/i18n' in mandriva would be in debian? |
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| 04:15.07 | dansushi | or ~/.i18n in general |
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| 04:15.36 | etrask | so how would I use this Radeon X driver? |
| 04:15.36 | tuvwx | etrask, in etch, edit your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and look for the device section. change the driver to "radeon" and restart X |
| 04:15.40 | maher | w00t! mac 7.5.3 is running on debian! |
| 04:15.44 | etrask | ah |
| 04:16.01 | etrask | I will give that a shot, thanks tuvmx |
| 04:16.03 | karsten | maher: via? |
| 04:16.22 | etrask | and if it doesn't work... I'll be back. Or I'll be back anyway, but hopefully using XChat instead of mIRC |
| 04:16.30 | maher | karsten: BasiliskII and bootleg rom |
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| 04:17.14 | muhoo | i vaguely remember some kernel cmdline to force routing of irq's from a pci device to a specific irq |
| 04:17.22 | muhoo | but i can't seem to find it in google. |
| 04:17.25 | tuvwx | etrask, you must be typing upside down ;P |
| 04:17.51 | karsten | tuvwx: ... or one-handed ;-) |
| 04:17.57 | etrask | THAT'S why I fail at teh computator :P |
| 04:18.01 | stew | dansushi: what does it do in mandriva? |
| 04:18.04 | etrask | hey, I don't like linux THAT much |
| 04:18.09 | muhoo | i'm somewhat desperately trying to move the firewire chip on this laptop to its own IRQ, or at least to not have it share one with libata (SATA controller chip) |
| 04:18.11 | etrask | back later, thanks for the help tuv |
| 04:18.37 | tuvwx | dondelelcaro, let me know if you're done with the file (if it's of any interest to you). i don't want to leave it online |
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| 04:19.10 | haggz | I just finished (hopefully) 3 days of work configuring a triple-boot debian/debian/ubuntu machine and I never want edit an xorg.conf file again. Beers all around to celebrate. Put it on my tab. |
| 04:19.23 | dansushi | stew: i'm not totally sure, i just need to find in to enter some test into it. i'm trying to do this: http://www.h4.dion.ne.jp/~apricots/scim-anthy/howto.html#pr2 |
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| 04:19.50 | sivik | how do i set the amount of time between when running a command with sudo, that it asks me for a password again, i would like it to do it everytime, or have a timeout time of like 30 seconds |
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| 04:20.19 | eldowan | sivik: somewhere in /etc/sudoers man sudo and man sudoers |
| 04:20.58 | sivik | i have looked all around, but i can't figure out how to set it, it says the -timeout-time works, but when i do it, it doesn't do anyting, and i'm not sure if i need to change the sudoers file or if i just need to run it from cli |
| 04:21.21 | tuvwx | sivik, you must have a sexy password, but then again, how do you see it?! |
| 04:21.45 | sivik | tuvwx, what does that have to do with anything, i just don't like how it goes a long time between reasking for the password |
| 04:21.46 | stew | dansushi: i'd look at /usr/share/doc/scim/* ; see if there is a README.Debian |
| 04:22.33 | dansushi | ok thanks |
| 04:22.52 | sivik | in the man sudoers, it says timestamp_timeout |
| 04:22.52 | sivik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.52 | sivik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.52 | sivik | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:22.52 | sivik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:23.17 | tuvwx | sivik, is -timeout-time a command line option or a line in your sudoers file? |
| 04:23.19 | dansushi | stew: i found a README.Debian.gz file |
| 04:23.53 | stew | dansushi: zless README.Debian.gz |
| 04:24.01 | sivik | tuvwx, http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/3791/ |
| 04:24.04 | eldowan | grr. fsck isn't in the netinstall image.. :( i guess I'll have to wait until tomorrow. |
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| 04:25.11 | sivik | tuvwx, i don't understand where i need to put it to fix that |
| 04:26.02 | tuvwx | sivik, that is part of man sudoers, right? so put it in the sudoers file. hint: use visudo |
| 04:26.09 | sivik | yes |
| 04:26.14 | sivik | does it matter where i but it |
| 04:26.31 | tuvwx | sivik, did you try anywhere? |
| 04:26.43 | sivik | yes |
| 04:26.47 | sivik | how do i restart that file |
| 04:26.57 | sivik | do i need to restart my x? |
| 04:27.02 | tuvwx | NO |
| 04:27.10 | tuvwx | sivik, what does X have to do with sudo?? |
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| 04:27.29 | sivik | >>> sudoers file: syntax error, line 9 <<< |
| 04:27.29 | sivik | sudo: parse error in /etc/sudoers near line 9 |
| 04:27.39 | sivik | i just added it to the visudo |
| 04:27.46 | tuvwx | sivik, what does line 9 have exactly? |
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| 04:28.00 | sivik | now i can't get in cause its screwed up |
| 04:28.24 | sivik | how do i fix it without, reinstalling the system |
| 04:28.28 | tuvwx | sivik, check out your sudoers file with e.g. less |
| 04:28.45 | sivik | permission denied |
| 04:28.53 | LeFallen | Hi all. Does anyone know of a good PCI-X SATA2 controller with minimum 4 ports that'll work in debian? I'll be usnig software RAID so it doesn't ahve to be a REAL RAID card. |
| 04:28.58 | tuvwx | sivik, no root password? (using su) |
| 04:29.27 | sivik | i don't know if i have a root password |
| 04:29.40 | sivik | looks like i get to load into single user mode |
| 04:29.43 | sivik | and fix it |
| 04:30.11 | karsten | !ifrp |
| 04:30.11 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 04:30.20 | etrask | tuv, my computer is still hating me :( |
| 04:30.38 | etrask | I'm not ENTIRELY sure it's a problem with my video card, but here's what keeps happening: |
| 04:30.42 | etrask | (in both KDE and GNOME) |
| 04:30.45 | karsten | etrask: a major advance in artificial intelligence. |
| 04:30.53 | magyar | how can i setup bgp with quagga? |
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| 04:31.00 | etrask | (yeah but it's not uncommon for inanimate objects to hate me) |
| 04:31.23 | etrask | for some reason, seemingly at random, the screen will freeze, and the computer stop responding altogether |
| 04:31.29 | etrask | at least on the visual front |
| 04:31.37 | etrask | no mouse cursor, text cursor stops blinking... nothing |
| 04:31.40 | etrask | complete freeze |
| 04:32.00 | etrask | and then occasionally the monitor will turn "off" and the little light will blink like it's not getting a signal from the video card at all |
| 04:32.13 | etrask | at i'll have to do a hard reboot |
| 04:32.29 | craigevil | sounds like one of my partitions, Etch,ubuntu, XP, freespire all freez when installed on hda1 |
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| 04:33.23 | etrask | Well, I have Windows and Linux on this computer, but on separate drives |
| 04:34.03 | paulfm | Can anyone please tell me.. if I have source for a 2.4.x compat audio driver.. will it work under 2.6.x? |
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| 04:34.59 | stew | paulfm: nope |
| 04:35.17 | paulfm | stew: hrmmm.. I suspected as much |
| 04:35.35 | paulfm | does etch have a 2.4.x install option? |
| 04:36.11 | tuvwx | etrask, check your logs: look in /var/log, especially dmesg, messages, kern.log, syslog |
| 04:36.15 | markybob | good question. i thought i saw something on debian-installer/ that had "remove 2.4 support" on the todo list for the installer. not sure if that ever happened or not, though |
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| 04:36.32 | karsten | paulfm: You can always build and install your own kernel. Certain tools are kernel-dpendent, particularly psutils. THere's also a lot of deps on versions of glibc variants. |
| 04:36.52 | paulfm | marky: hmmm... worth a try maybe.. thanks |
| 04:36.55 | etrask | Damn, I gotta go back into Linux? it's like pogosticking across a minefield for me |
| 04:36.57 | stew | paulfm: what is the driver? |
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| 04:37.06 | stew | paulfm: or what is the hardware you are trying to support? |
| 04:37.31 | paulfm | stew: its for a sis550 chip with built in audio.. sarge and etch would not auto detect it... neither would alsaconf |
| 04:37.45 | tuvwx | etrask, you could use a console irc client like irssi if you have display trouble |
| 04:37.45 | stew | paulfm: are you running linux now? |
| 04:38.00 | paulfm | so now Im stuck trying to see if I can install the driver... to which I have the source... but it is for 2.4.x |
| 04:38.06 | paulfm | stew: yes |
| 04:38.21 | stew | !which driver |
| 04:38.22 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 04:38.28 | stew | paulfm: double check there ^^ |
| 04:38.35 | paulfm | stew: the driver is called sis7019 |
| 04:39.18 | paulfm | stew: will take a look right away.. thanks |
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| 04:41.20 | lkthomas | hey guys |
| 04:41.28 | paulfm | stew: it named the device.. but does not list a driver |
| 04:41.36 | lkthomas | am I suppose to add some line to tell cron run jobs which is in cron.hourly ? |
| 04:41.43 | paulfm | stew: I downloaded the driver source from the manufacturer site |
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| 04:42.41 | stew | paulfm: googling for sis7019 and 2.6 turns up some possibilities |
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| 04:43.14 | stew | paulfm: such as http://wiki.ltsp.org/twiki/bin/view/Ltsp/SoundCards and http://www.murga-linux.com/puppy/viewtopic.php?p=92042 |
| 04:43.21 | LeFallen | lkthomas: Check out /etc/crontab - it calls them accordingly I think. |
| 04:43.28 | paulfm | stew: hmmm thanks.. Ive been doing that for 2 days with no luck... I think Im getting tired and being sloppy . :-) |
| 04:43.35 | lkthomas | LeFallen, it's empty in /etc/crontab |
| 04:43.44 | lkthomas | oh wait |
| 04:43.45 | lkthomas | no |
| 04:43.47 | lkthomas | it's not empty |
| 04:43.50 | lkthomas | but it's not runnin |
| 04:44.00 | stew | lkthomas: what is the name of the file in /etc/cron.hourly? |
| 04:44.41 | stew | lkthomas: it has to be run-parts compliant (man run-parts) |
| 04:44.57 | stew | lkthomas: for instance, it can't end in .sh |
| 04:44.57 | lkthomas | OH |
| 04:45.01 | lkthomas | I can't just paste my backup script there ? |
| 04:45.10 | deadcat | anything wrong with this crontab? */5 17-6 * * * autorrent >> /tmp/autorrent.log |
| 04:48.01 | lkthomas | stew, |
| 04:48.19 | lkthomas | stew, if I use run-parts directly, my daily backup job seems running |
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| 04:52.33 | etrask | Okay... got the log files, tuvwx... and have no idea what I'm looking for |
| 04:52.44 | etrask | but apparently X thinks my card is a 9600 and not a 9550 |
| 04:52.48 | etrask | I assure you it's wrong |
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| 04:57.05 | maher | lkthomas: try the full path |
| 04:57.14 | darrh00 | /smg dpkg 3.1r4 | etch release |
| 04:57.37 | maher | lkthomas: i.e. /usr/bin/autorrent in the the cron job, or whatever the ful path to the scipt is |
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| 04:58.55 | deadcat | anything wrong with this crontab? */5 17-6 * * * autorrent >> /tmp/autorrent.log |
| 04:59.06 | deadcat | it seems like it wont let me go from 17-6 or something |
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| 05:00.02 | lncast | mayve it gets confused at looping over the day |
| 05:01.30 | deadcat | how do i tell cron to do a job every 10 min from 5pm to 5am? |
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| 05:03.22 | dendrite | deadcat: two entries, I think |
| 05:03.23 | ice63 | can some one tell me how to install ati driver in xserver-xorg ? |
| 05:03.45 | deadcat | dendrite: what you mean 2 entries? the 17-6 is not working.. |
| 05:03.45 | dendrite | deadcat: */10 17-23 * * * |
| 05:03.48 | ice63 | on my laptop |
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| 05:04.08 | dendrite | deadcat: */10 0-5 * * * |
| 05:04.09 | deadcat | dendrite: 17-23 works fine.. 17-6 dont |
| 05:04.13 | deadcat | dendrite: ah |
| 05:04.20 | dendrite | Two entries. |
| 05:04.50 | stoned | !fglrx |
| 05:04.50 | dpkg | well, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or for sarge/stable, see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/fglrx-driver |
| 05:05.08 | stoned | ice63: ^^ |
| 05:05.36 | ice63 | ok |
| 05:05.55 | lkthomas | if I want to run cronjob every hour and 15mins, what should I do ? |
| 05:06.00 | dendrite | deadcat: Or, one entry: */10 0,1,2,3,4,5,17,18,19,20,21,22,23 |
| 05:06.11 | deadcat | hahaha |
| 05:06.27 | deadcat | dendrite: how about 0-5,17-23? |
| 05:06.40 | dendrite | deadcat: The man page doesn't say, but the thought does come to mind. |
| 05:06.56 | dendrite | deadcat: The man page *does* say that would work. |
| 05:07.08 | dendrite | */10 0-5,17-23 |
| 05:07.19 | dendrite | deadcat: man 5 crontab |
| 05:07.24 | deadcat | i did |
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| 05:07.29 | lkthomas | 15 * * * * <-- is this means every hour of 15mins run the task ? |
| 05:07.41 | deadcat | dendrite: i just didnt know that i cant go 17-5 |
| 05:07.50 | dendrite | lkthomas: No, every hour, fifteen minutes past. |
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| 05:08.05 | lkthomas | hmm |
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| 05:09.30 | ice63 | stoned: hmm ok but can i jest install it like apt-get install module-assistant and m-a prepare and then m-a a-i fglrx right or no ? |
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| 05:09.50 | stoned | exactly |
| 05:09.58 | stoned | go for it |
| 05:10.09 | Bogus8 | stupid cox-uckers... dns went down and it was because I had to pay my bill :-/ |
| 05:10.20 | Bogus8 | wtf? either shut it off or don't |
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| 05:10.27 | Bogus8 | that shit just confused the hell out of me |
| 05:10.53 | dendrite | lkthomas: Since 1.25 isn't evenly divisible into 24 (hours), you can't really get a closed set of crontab entries to do your 1:15 interval without a skip. |
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| 05:11.04 | lkthomas | right, ok |
| 05:11.54 | dendrite | lkthomas: Well, since 1.25 doesn't go evenly into 7*24 either... |
| 05:11.55 | deadcat | Bogus8: you spelled cock sucker wrong i think. |
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| 05:12.03 | Bogus8 | deadcat: no... I didn't |
| 05:12.07 | stoned | LOL |
| 05:12.14 | stoned | deadcat: you're evil |
| 05:12.17 | Jostein | hello |
| 05:12.33 | deadcat | stoned: what (= |
| 05:12.39 | stoned | I did tech support for cox |
| 05:12.41 | Jostein | out of interest |
| 05:12.43 | stoned | lol |
| 05:12.48 | deadcat | ohhh hahahah |
| 05:13.15 | etrask | You did tech support for Cox, stoned? Why is our DNS server always down :PP |
| 05:13.17 | etrask | -P |
| 05:13.23 | stoned | I don't know |
| 05:13.33 | deadcat | tech support. NOT dns admin |
| 05:13.34 | stoned | I've been using cox since beginning of college |
| 05:13.40 | stoned | for YEARS and YEARS |
| 05:13.44 | dendrite | etrask: Maybe because he did support for COX stoned. =) |
| 05:13.50 | stoned | both in baton rouge loiuisiana and in oklhoma |
| 05:13.52 | stoned | it is awesome |
| 05:13.56 | etrask | That would explain our service |
| 05:13.58 | stoned | cox is by far the best |
| 05:14.00 | etrask | here in Bakersfield |
| 05:14.04 | stoned | I have hardly EVER had it go down on me |
| 05:14.05 | Bogus8 | apparently because we forget to pay our bill |
| 05:14.07 | anuragm | CoX? |
| 05:14.09 | Bogus8 | so they fuck with you |
| 05:14.12 | Bogus8 | bastages |
| 05:14.18 | anuragm | hosting compnay?! |
| 05:14.24 | stoned | isp |
| 05:14.24 | etrask | pfft, my bill gets paid |
| 05:14.24 | Bogus8 | stoned: I'm in Lafayette La |
| 05:14.29 | stoned | Bogus8: word man |
| 05:14.33 | stoned | I'm from BR |
| 05:14.34 | dendrite | anuragm: A Cable TV and Internet provider. |
| 05:14.40 | stoned | my Ex goes to lsu in Laf. |
| 05:14.41 | anuragm | dendrite: hmm |
| 05:14.41 | Bogus8 | stoned: word word |
| 05:14.48 | etrask | okay... barring "why is our DNS server always down"... why won't Debian play nice with my video card? |
| 05:14.50 | unic0rn | n0sens!n=n0nens@i577B5ED2.versanet.de asks why is he banned |
| 05:14.50 | etrask | :P |
| 05:14.51 | Bogus8 | stoned: you mean UL? |
| 05:14.58 | stoned | whatever |
| 05:15.02 | Bogus8 | I hear ya |
| 05:15.12 | etrask | WHAT MORE LIKE TULANE AM I RITE?! |
| 05:15.18 | Bogus8 | stoned: what's her number ;) |
| 05:15.23 | raf256 | unic0rn: perhaps he expressed opinions about the embarassing, lame-ass 1990 style beeping in console |
| 05:15.25 | stoned | I dunno |
| 05:15.33 | stoned | shes psychotic dude |
| 05:15.42 | stoned | you're probably better off without her # |
| 05:15.47 | Bogus8 | I like that console beep |
| 05:15.49 | stoned | shes fine though.. just kinda messed up |
| 05:15.56 | Bogus8 | stoned: most are |
| 05:15.58 | raf256 | Bogus8: beeep beep beeeeeeeeeeeeep |
| 05:16.02 | raf256 | Bogus8: BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
| 05:16.07 | Bogus8 | the last one I was with was out there also |
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| 05:16.15 | raf256 | oh my god, it feels like stone age, lets go back to BEEP windows, quickBEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP |
| 05:16.28 | Bogus8 | I was ssh'd into my house while she was at the store and her sis popped on IM so I said "she's not here" she fucking flipped out |
| 05:16.33 | anuragm | hi darling |
| 05:16.44 | Bogus8 | I was like... umm Ok, I'm outta here |
| 05:16.45 | anuragm | ouch! |
| 05:16.48 | anuragm | :{ |
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| 05:16.50 | anuragm | :P |
| 05:16.59 | NthDegree | who banned n0sens? :-) pweeaase tell me |
| 05:16.59 | Bogus8 | she was good at certain task though ;) |
| 05:17.00 | raf256 | etrask: oh I got an offtopic comment, can I PM you? |
| 05:17.19 | etrask | no ideas? Linux freezes on me... KDE and Gnome, both Debian and Ubuntu/Kubuntu (but I'm on Debian now, please don't yell) |
| 05:17.24 | etrask | sure |
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| 05:18.51 | dendrite | etrask: Freezes are usually a sign of hardware issues, but can also be caused by misbehaving video programs such as some screen savers. |
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| 05:19.23 | etrask | yeah, I figured it's a hardware issue (the comp. locks up out of the blue, not inactive long enough to engage a screensaver) |
| 05:19.34 | etrask | sometimes the screen just freezes and I have to do a hard reboot |
| 05:19.36 | etrask | BUT |
| 05:19.46 | etrask | according to the IRC room my friends and I sit in, my computer still responds |
| 05:19.51 | etrask | just not... visually |
| 05:19.56 | dendrite | etrask: Look into the Magic SYSRQ keys. |
| 05:19.58 | etrask | since I end up leaving the room nicely, not pinging out |
| 05:20.33 | etrask | That sounds like some sort of scam |
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| 05:20.37 | etrask | I warn you, I have little money! |
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| 05:21.08 | dendrite | etrask: Magic SYSRQ is a set of special keypresses that can force a disk sync, unmount and reboot. |
| 05:21.27 | twobitsprite | etrask: it is, be warned... linux has built in magic keys which read your mind to find your bankaccount number and send it to Linux Torvalds |
| 05:21.27 | dendrite | etrask: That *may* help error messages make it into the logs, and can also help avoid data loss. |
| 05:21.32 | Bogus8 | that egningnok shit is hilarious |
| 05:21.40 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Sssshhh!!! |
| 05:21.50 | etrask | WHAT |
| 05:22.24 | twobitsprite | dendrite: did I say "bankaccount number"?? I meant to say "favorite color" |
| 05:22.33 | etrask | purple |
| 05:22.39 | etrask | I mean 83291-85310 |
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| 05:22.45 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 05:23.05 | StuckMojo | has anyone heard of any people still producing updates for woody? unofficially of course... |
| 05:23.39 | raf256 | StuckMojo: is your Dojo stucked in 1990? along with the developer of console beeping perhaps |
| 05:23.46 | StuckMojo | meh. |
| 05:24.19 | danf_1979 | Hmm gnome-panel is eating 38% of my mem (top). I'm on Etch. Anyone has noticed something like this too? |
| 05:24.49 | twobitsprite | danf_1979: yeah... try fluxbox |
| 05:24.51 | StuckMojo | it's a dedicated postgres box that's behind a firewall with no shells |
| 05:25.11 | StuckMojo | it's been easy to just neglect it since there's been no problems and little exposure to possible exploits |
| 05:25.31 | StuckMojo | LeFallen: heh. i laugh at that later |
| 05:25.39 | StuckMojo | i sware |
| 05:25.57 | twobitsprite | StuckMojo: is upgrading to sarge not a possibility? |
| 05:26.05 | twobitsprite | !spell possibility |
| 05:26.07 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 05:26.08 | twobitsprite | damn |
| 05:26.17 | StuckMojo | oh it is. i just have to find time to physically get to the colo |
| 05:26.21 | StuckMojo | in case it doesn't work |
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| 05:26.31 | StuckMojo | and have a disaster plan |
| 05:26.34 | StuckMojo | brb... |
| 05:26.50 | dendrite | StuckMojo: Yeah, you'll be going across major pg versions, so you'll need to dump and restore the data. |
| 05:26.59 | twobitsprite | restoring from backup is usually a suitable disaster plan |
| 05:27.14 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Not for going across major versions of pg. |
| 05:27.38 | twobitsprite | well... I'm assuming that "disaster" entails data loss |
| 05:27.56 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Disaster also means "my new database server isn't compatible" |
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| 05:28.18 | dendrite | twobitsprite: At which point you either reinstall the old system, or figure out how to move forward... |
| 05:28.37 | twobitsprite | I'd call that a road block, not a disaster, but I'm a lowly sysadmin so I don't keep hip with all the management/marketting lingo |
| 05:28.39 | daedalus_ | Heh. I'm in exactly that situatioin |
| 05:28.39 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Me, I'd install Etch on a parallel system, and test all the databases. |
| 05:29.01 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Well, maybe not disaster with a capital D, but it'd be downtime. |
| 05:29.17 | daedalus_ | HD in our server died on pg8.0. 8.1 is all that's available now. We managed to up the drive one last time for a chroot to dump the data, but it was a tense moment |
| 05:29.27 | twobitsprite | dendrite: ohh... I work for state government... getting a parallel system would take months of haggling with the purchasing dept. |
| 05:29.39 | dendrite | daedalus_: That *should* work... |
| 05:29.48 | twobitsprite | usually doesn't occur to me as an option |
| 05:29.49 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Any old crap system. |
| 05:29.59 | daedalus_ | Oh, it did. But it just illustrates the reality of the problem. |
| 05:30.18 | twobitsprite | dendrite: "old crap systems" get surplussed |
| 05:30.21 | dendrite | daedalus_: I'd have been nervous, for sure. |
| 05:30.48 | dendrite | twobitsprite: Well, I can imagine the frustrations of working for a state government... |
| 05:31.10 | twobitsprite | dendrite: yeah... good luck it's only a 12mo contract and it's running out soon |
| 05:31.17 | twobitsprite | er... s/luck/thing |
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| 05:38.52 | StuckMojo | pg won't be an issue, i built from source rather than deb 'cus woody's was too old |
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| 05:40.26 | StuckMojo | i thought it was worth asking ask debian is the sort of distro that attract the stubborn ass type of poeple who might continue to support woody well after EOL |
| 05:40.59 | dendrite | StuckMojo: Definitely worth asking, and I wouldn't give up just because nobody here knows. |
| 05:41.07 | nixbox | hi i have just installed debian using debootstrap, i have installed linux kernel 2.6.19, my bootloader is grub, when i select the entry for linux to boot in grub, it shows me Linux-bzImage which means Linux kernel was found followed by initrd and then savedefault, after that it gets stuck |
| 05:41.12 | StuckMojo | meh. it's the wrong path anyway |
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| 05:41.19 | nixbox | any idea how to get around that or how to find out whats wrong? |
| 05:41.34 | StuckMojo | nixbox: bad root option? |
| 05:41.47 | StuckMojo | nixbox: you see no output from the kernel at all? |
| 05:42.10 | nixbox | StuckMojo, kernel (hd0,5)/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda6 console=ttS0,115200 |
| 05:42.10 | nixbox | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:42.10 | nixbox | initrd (hd0,5)/boot/initrd.img-2.6.19 |
| 05:42.10 | nixbox | <PROTECTED> |
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| 05:42.18 | nixbox | oops |
| 05:42.19 | nixbox | sorry |
| 05:42.30 | StuckMojo | perhaps initrd is missing something crucial |
| 05:42.42 | StuckMojo | or maybe the kernel is built for the wrong arch? |
| 05:42.49 | StuckMojo | like amd64 on intel or some such? |
| 05:42.57 | etrask | What's a .run file? |
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| 05:43.01 | bakfupai | Hmm, my clock settings are all wrong because I did it wrong when installing etch. How can I fix this? |
| 05:43.01 | StuckMojo | you have anything odd like an onboard ide raid? |
| 05:43.15 | Tallu | bakfupai: i'd use ntp |
| 05:43.20 | StuckMojo | etrask: tends to be a shell script installer for something, like a game |
| 05:43.26 | etrask | oh |
| 05:43.40 | etrask | http://ati.amd.com/support/drivers/linux64/linux64-radeon.html |
| 05:43.45 | StuckMojo | etrask: sh foo.run to install it |
| 05:43.49 | etrask | was going to try installing those on my machine to see if it helps |
| 05:44.05 | StuckMojo | etrask: it's your ass to risk |
| 05:44.05 | bakfupai | Tallu: yeah, but it thinks i'm in a different timezone so it's all wrong even with ntp. |
| 05:44.12 | etrask | well it can't get broke-r |
| 05:44.16 | StuckMojo | etrask: how warm an fuzzy do you feel about ati coders? |
| 05:44.26 | StuckMojo | etrask: heh, famous last words |
| 05:44.35 | etrask | I doubt it'll hose my ENTIRE computer |
| 05:44.42 | etrask | Windows is working, which is all that matters |
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| 05:44.58 | StuckMojo | bakfupai: /etc/timezone |
| 05:44.58 | dendrite | bakfupai: man tzconfig |
| 05:45.21 | StuckMojo | etrask: it's probably ok. there's a good chance it won't modify xorg.conf |
| 05:45.37 | etrask | Would I need to modify that to tell it to use the new drivers? |
| 05:45.42 | bakfupai | thx dudes. |
| 05:45.55 | StuckMojo | bakfupai: np |
| 05:46.10 | StuckMojo | etrask: if running xorg, then /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
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| 05:46.25 | StuckMojo | if xfree86 /etc/x11/XF86config or some such |
| 05:46.26 | etrask | yeah... I changed the driver from "ati" to "radeon" earlier at someone else's behest |
| 05:46.31 | etrask | xorg |
| 05:46.47 | dendrite | !radeon |
| 05:46.47 | dpkg | methinks radeon is the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 05:46.48 | etrask | seems my video card and linux don't like each other |
| 05:47.10 | StuckMojo | ati linux drivers suck in my experience |
| 05:47.15 | etrask | :( |
| 05:47.21 | siimo | my R250 works like a dream with radeon driver ... good fps too |
| 05:47.27 | pinks | any ideas on how to mount a ext3 partition and assign a uid - all in /etc/fstab ? |
| 05:47.53 | HymnToLife | pinks, why assign a UID at mount-time ? |
| 05:47.59 | HymnToLife | just chown it |
| 05:48.16 | pinks | it's on my laptop and needs to be usable by my daughter;-) |
| 05:48.25 | bakfupai | Old ATI cards works fine yes. The Open Source drivers are very good. The proprietary are...not so good to say the least. |
| 05:48.30 | pinks | of course I can chown it - but she has no clue |
| 05:48.44 | etrask | Mine's a Radeon 9550SE... |
| 05:48.56 | StuckMojo | pinks: ext3 doesn't need that |
| 05:49.23 | StuckMojo | pinks: do you mean vfat? |
| 05:49.23 | pinks | no -- ext3 |
| 05:49.23 | bakfupai | etrask: pretty sure that one works with the open source drivers... |
| 05:49.23 | StuckMojo | bakfupai: agreed |
| 05:49.30 | nixbox | StuckMojo, its intel, how do i find out what might initrd be missing? |
| 05:49.35 | StuckMojo | bakfupai: they were fast when they worked, but hard to install and crashy |
| 05:49.37 | siimo | bakfupai: is that with r300 drivers? |
| 05:49.44 | dendrite | pinks: ext2/3 doesn't support specifying owner at mount time. |
| 05:49.46 | etrask | hmmm... well, there's no denying that my computer still locks up |
| 05:49.46 | pinks | vfat allows you to " uid=user " in /etc/ftab |
| 05:49.50 | StuckMojo | nixbox: you have any odd or very new hardware? |
| 05:49.50 | etrask | also that I'm a total linux n00b |
| 05:50.02 | StuckMojo | nixbox: have you tried something like an ubuntu live cd? |
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| 05:50.15 | bakfupai | siimo: I think so. 9550 is r300 right? |
| 05:50.17 | pinks | dendrite: ok -- can I have some help with a scritp to do this at boot time? |
| 05:50.20 | StuckMojo | etrask: nvidia is way way easier to deal with |
| 05:50.33 | nixbox | StuckMojo, its a multiprocessor machine |
| 05:50.38 | etrask | I'm sure it is, but I'm not in a position to buy a new video card |
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| 05:50.42 | StuckMojo | pinks: what do you expect that to do with ext3? |
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| 05:50.43 | dendrite | pinks: pinks Can't you jut do it once? |
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| 05:50.49 | nixbox | StuckMojo, no haven't tried ubuntu live cd |
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| 05:50.54 | siimo | pinks: why dont you do chmod 777 for the relevent folders? then everyone should be able to read write execute from it correct ? |
| 05:50.58 | StuckMojo | nixbox: might be a good smoke test |
| 05:51.04 | pinks | dendrite: no - this is a laptop for use by several people |
| 05:51.15 | bakfupai | StuckMojo: Crashes all the time and really buggy. I got some weird pauses in them for example,. |
| 05:51.21 | pinks | chmod is too sweeping... |
| 05:51.31 | StuckMojo | bakfupai: i had lots of artifacts in almost all games |
| 05:51.39 | dendrite | pinks: Create a group, and add your daughter, you, etc. to it... then use g+rwx... |
| 05:51.50 | StuckMojo | pinks: what do you want it to ... look like in the end? |
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| 05:52.02 | StuckMojo | pinks: is it that you want a normal user to be able to mount it? |
| 05:52.30 | pinks | StuckMojo: no - I want one user other than root to be able to rwx the partitions |
| 05:52.45 | pinks | but that user does not know th cl |
| 05:52.48 | StuckMojo | pinks: oh. you could change the group in the device file |
| 05:52.55 | dendrite | pinks: Would a group solution work? |
| 05:53.04 | nixbox | StuckMojo, is there any alternative, actually my friend is working on that, and he says he cant (not allowed) run the live cd on the machine. |
| 05:53.07 | StuckMojo | and make it group writable and add her to the group |
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| 05:53.19 | nixbox | StuckMojo, can i somehow get initrd to say whats wrong? |
| 05:53.22 | StuckMojo | nixbox: if it dies that early, i dunno |
| 05:53.25 | pinks | StuckMojo: ok -- I'll try that |
| 05:53.34 | StuckMojo | nixbox: i would expect perhaps an ide or root option problem |
| 05:53.38 | StuckMojo | but usually you get a message |
| 05:53.42 | pinks | thanks guys :D |
| 05:53.49 | StuckMojo | pinks: that might make her able to run cfdisk on it |
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| 05:54.05 | pinks | StuckMojo: Ouch !!! |
| 05:54.12 | StuckMojo | pinks: but if you want her to be able to mount it too, add user to the options in fstab |
| 05:54.28 | StuckMojo | pinks: you said you wanted her to be able to partition it? |
| 05:54.30 | StuckMojo | right? |
| 05:54.32 | dendrite | pinks: Use udev to mount. Set up groups as needed, and in the fs. |
| 05:54.42 | pinks | there doesn't seem to be an options for user at mount time in fstab |
| 05:54.57 | StuckMojo | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:55.01 | pinks | it has to mount from /etc/fstab at boot time |
| 05:55.08 | StuckMojo | like that. that means non-root can mount it at that mount point |
| 05:55.12 | StuckMojo | oooh |
| 05:55.30 | StuckMojo | i think you don't really want what you're asking |
| 05:55.33 | StuckMojo | heh |
| 05:55.46 | pinks | StuckMojo: ext3 doesn't have a uid=user option in /etc/fstab |
| 05:56.42 | pinks | dendrite: /etc/fstab mounts as root and I need the partition to be owned by user - that's all |
| 05:56.54 | dendrite | pinks: The partitions, or folders on the disk? |
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| 05:57.10 | pinks | the files within the mounted partitions |
| 05:57.19 | dendrite | pinks: And what about chmod won't do it? |
| 05:57.26 | dendrite | pinks: chmod+chown ... |
| 05:57.29 | pinks | it has to be automatic |
| 05:57.31 | nixbox | how can i view the contents of an initrd image? |
| 05:57.37 | pinks | not cl stuff |
| 05:57.41 | dendrite | pinks: chmod + chown is *persistent* |
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| 05:57.51 | dendrite | pinks: Do it once. Done. |
| 05:57.54 | Tallu | pinks: you only do it once |
| 05:58.03 | pinks | really? Cool as -- thanks |
| 05:58.11 | pinks | I didn't know that ;-) |
| 05:58.20 | siimo | pinks: well if it has to be automatic.... you can just do it in a little bash script that runs on log in of that user |
| 05:58.31 | siimo | i mean non permanant changes |
| 05:58.46 | pinks | siimo: that's what I was hoping for help with |
| 05:58.47 | dendrite | pinks: Set up a group called "family" |
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| 05:59.19 | dendrite | pinks: Put your peeps in it, and set up those folders with chgrp family, and chmod g+rwxs |
| 05:59.48 | pinks | dendrite: yep - I'm doing that now, and adding the relevant users, chgrp the folders, and then I'll reboot and see what happens |
| 06:00.14 | dendrite | pinks: No reboot necessary. But I can understand if you want to test. |
| 06:00.20 | nixbox | StuckMojo, the system has SCSI hard disks, could there be a possibility that initrd doesn't have scsi drivers? |
| 06:00.29 | pinks | dendrite: yes -- for testing |
| 06:00.36 | pinks | see if it is persistent ;-) |
| 06:00.38 | dendrite | pinks: Note that you probably don't want to sweep g+xs on *files* -- just directories. |
| 06:00.49 | dendrite | pinks: If it isn't you've found a MAJOR show stopping bug. |
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| 06:01.00 | pinks | dendrite: sure -- I'll be more specific about the individual files |
| 06:01.02 | dendrite | pinks: Major as in Etch won't release until it's fixed. |
| 06:01.16 | pinks | ok -- I'll be back in 15 minutes |
| 06:01.26 | mojobasement | pinks vfat doesn't have user stuff |
| 06:01.48 | dendrite | mojobasement: This is not vfat. |
| 06:01.52 | pinks | mojobasement: vfat is easy -- works in /etc/fstab |
| 06:01.55 | mojobasement | so when you mount it must make files look like they're owned my someone |
| 06:02.03 | mojobasement | ext3 ain't like that |
| 06:02.38 | mojobasement | ext3 you set up like any other drive, then chown a dir to the user in question |
| 06:02.42 | mojobasement | like their home dir |
| 06:02.51 | mojobasement | it sticks across mounts |
| 06:03.21 | pinks | mojobasement: that's what I'm setting up now - thanks |
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| 06:03.28 | mojobasement | a user in fstab for ext3 would be meaning |
| 06:03.29 | mojobasement | oh ok |
| 06:03.39 | pinks | I'll let you know if it persists after re-boot |
| 06:03.40 | mojobasement | <- ignore |
| 06:03.43 | mojobasement | oh it will |
| 06:03.50 | mojobasement | it sets the uid in the inode |
| 06:03.50 | pinks | thanks |
| 06:04.18 | mojobasement | if u were to mount on another box it would show up as owned by a number |
| 06:04.27 | mojobasement | unless there were a user there with that uid |
| 06:05.04 | nixbox | how do i view the contents of an initrd image? |
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| 06:08.22 | Ilovemypuppy | !x |
| 06:08.33 | StuckMojo | nixbox: it's a PITA |
| 06:08.36 | Ilovemypuppy | crap |
| 06:08.46 | StuckMojo | nixbox: iirc it's a gzipped cpio file |
| 06:08.50 | Ilovemypuppy | whats the dpkg thing for installing gnome |
| 06:09.45 | StuckMojo | Ilovemypuppy: maybe use dselect? |
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| 06:09.48 | Ilovemypuppy | I got it |
| 06:09.54 | Ilovemypuppy | I meant the thing to msg |
| 06:09.56 | StuckMojo | what is it? |
| 06:10.12 | cwheeler | hi, what do i need to allow more than one client to use my sound card at a time? |
| 06:10.20 | cwheeler | i've got oss mixer in my kernel |
| 06:10.39 | StuckMojo | gnome-desktop-environment ? |
| 06:10.50 | cydork | !install gnome |
| 06:10.51 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 06:10.51 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: depends on the driver |
| 06:11.21 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: in my experience onboard intel sound won't do it |
| 06:11.30 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: without something like esd |
| 06:11.33 | cwheeler | this is a soundblaster |
| 06:11.42 | StuckMojo | sb what? |
| 06:11.43 | cwheeler | it'll work i've just left something out somewhere |
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| 06:11.53 | cwheeler | 1370 i think , pci |
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| 06:12.00 | StuckMojo | is that old? |
| 06:12.11 | cwheeler | it's worked with other installs i just cant figure out whats missing |
| 06:12.14 | StuckMojo | oh |
| 06:12.15 | parsonsd | StuckMojo - odd. every resource that i've yet found on esd seems like its a deadend project |
| 06:12.18 | cwheeler | yes it's kinda old |
| 06:12.23 | StuckMojo | parsonsd: i've never used it |
| 06:12.35 | parsonsd | StuckMojo oh |
| 06:12.36 | cwheeler | it's worked with the mixer before |
| 06:12.39 | StuckMojo | parsonsd: there's another sound deamon around, i forget the name |
| 06:12.53 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: is the mixer the only problem? |
| 06:13.06 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: that might just be adding the user to the audio group |
| 06:13.16 | StuckMojo | or chmoding the dev file |
| 06:13.17 | cwheeler | I'm not sure, i'm assuming that's the problem |
| 06:13.30 | cwheeler | one program at a time can use the sound card |
| 06:13.32 | cwheeler | i |
| 06:13.36 | cwheeler | i'll check perms |
| 06:13.39 | StuckMojo | well mixer just lets you adjust levels. doesn't have anything to do with multiple audio streams |
| 06:13.42 | StuckMojo | at once |
| 06:13.53 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: maybe you don't have the best driver loaded |
| 06:13.55 | parsonsd | StuckMojo, its too bad cos in order to do something fun like run the sound events on e, it wants esd...but even the manpage points to a webpage that's last updated a coupla years ago |
| 06:14.04 | cwheeler | the user is in the audio group |
| 06:14.20 | StuckMojo | parsonsd: sound worked for me without it in E |
| 06:14.42 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: does running mixer give a permission error? or "can't open file" or some such? |
| 06:14.58 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: i think you're probably running a more generic sb driver |
| 06:15.21 | parsonsd | StuckMojo, oh i can run things like xmms and artsd regularly gives off errors and holds control of /dev/dsp -- i just don't get to play with windowdriven sound events |
| 06:15.24 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: make lsmod combined with dmesg | tail to see what's getting loaded |
| 06:15.30 | cwheeler | like "aumix":? |
| 06:15.42 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: if your using the ... ummm |
| 06:15.47 | StuckMojo | alsa driver |
| 06:15.56 | StuckMojo | rather than osd |
| 06:16.00 | cwheeler | yes i'm using the alsa driver with oss emulation |
| 06:16.01 | StuckMojo | that could be the problem |
| 06:16.05 | StuckMojo | hmph |
| 06:16.14 | cwheeler | i compiled the kernel |
| 06:16.23 | cwheeler | leading me to believe i left something out |
| 06:16.25 | StuckMojo | you sure when it worked before there wasn't a sound daemon in play? |
| 06:16.42 | StuckMojo | lsmod | grep snd |
| 06:16.45 | cwheeler | k |
| 06:16.48 | StuckMojo | paste at paste.info or somewhere |
| 06:17.02 | StuckMojo | http://rafb.net/paste |
| 06:17.06 | cwheeler | i compiled the sound stuff into my kernel |
| 06:17.20 | cwheeler | should it work without a sound daemon? |
| 06:17.26 | StuckMojo | depends on the card |
| 06:17.28 | cwheeler | which sound daemon should I use? |
| 06:17.31 | StuckMojo | well driver really i guess |
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| 06:17.41 | StuckMojo | that i can't say. never needed one cus i have an sblive |
| 06:17.53 | StuckMojo | make sure you've got the "right" driver first |
| 06:18.08 | StuckMojo | i.e. best, newest, most specific to your card |
| 06:18.37 | cwheeler | i have the right driver for ES1370 |
| 06:18.55 | cwheeler | the driver that says "ES1370", is that the right one? |
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| 06:19.25 | Malagmyr | Can anyone tell me what this is? Apparently, someone tried to fetch one of my webpages using some russian domain name... "218.150.110.140 - - [02/Feb/2007:03:02:42 +0100] "GET http://p2.mumu.pp.ru/index.htm HTTP/1.0" 404 296 "-" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1)"" |
| 06:19.32 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: i suppose. sounds good ;) |
| 06:19.49 | StuckMojo | Malagmyr: that's a mangled get i think |
| 06:20.08 | cwheeler | so do i need a sound daemon? |
| 06:20.38 | StuckMojo | well that's a way to sidestep the problem |
| 06:20.43 | Malagmyr | StuckMojo: someone trying to use it as a proxy? |
| 06:21.18 | StuckMojo | Malagmyr: maybe a bad spider or kiddie script |
| 06:21.38 | cwheeler | but it should work without a sound daemon? |
| 06:21.40 | StuckMojo | a proper http get looks like "GET /foo.html HTTP/1.0" |
| 06:21.49 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: like i said, depends on the card and driver |
| 06:22.06 | StuckMojo | i810 i've seen doesn't, sblive does |
| 06:22.20 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: foolproof solution: order a $10 sblive from newegg or somewhere |
| 06:22.24 | Tallu | Malagmyr: The only thing inside the body of that page is "by me Anonymouzz" so probably some lame script kiddie trying something out, dont know :P |
| 06:22.25 | cwheeler | it's worked on slackware with this same model card |
| 06:22.36 | StuckMojo | still have that install? |
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| 06:23.11 | cwheeler | yes |
| 06:23.13 | StuckMojo | Malagmyr: the hostname part is set in the Host: header element of http 1.1 |
| 06:23.19 | cwheeler | looking at the kernel config now |
| 06:23.26 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: stick in back in there, boot and see what it's using |
| 06:23.30 | StuckMojo | ah good |
| 06:23.45 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: maybe don't enable oss emulation? |
| 06:23.47 | StuckMojo | er..support |
| 06:24.01 | StuckMojo | afk for a min |
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| 06:24.59 | cwheeler | support old alsa api is the only thing ic missing |
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| 06:25.55 | SexyKen | Hello All! I have Debian running on my LinkStation Pro and would like to setup a VPN Server on it. Basically, I am on the road a lot and would like access to my home network as if I was at home. IE: Windows Shares access, etc. Does anyone have any recommendations? |
| 06:27.14 | cwheeler | different sound driver on the machine that works |
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| 06:35.26 | StuckMojo | cwheeler: so use that one |
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| 06:35.57 | StuckMojo | SexyKen: openvpn |
| 06:36.00 | cwheeler | right that looks like it was the problem we'll know inna while |
| 06:36.21 | StuckMojo | er..openswan |
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| 06:36.26 | xerophyte | does anybody know any good webbased music (songs) management software ? |
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| 06:36.42 | StuckMojo | xerophyte: oh come on, there's gotta be a million of them |
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| 06:36.50 | StuckMojo | probably all php + mysql |
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| 06:37.14 | xerophyte | StuckMojo, i know i wanna know some decent one |
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| 06:44.45 | litage | ``apt-cache policy PKG'' seems like a pretty good way of determining which version a given package will be upgraded to. are there other, more appropriate commands to determine this? |
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| 06:45.31 | maxamillion | can aptitude search by package description? |
| 06:45.47 | lncast | sure |
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| 06:46.53 | maxamillion | lncast: what command would i pass? ... aptitude search pkgName only searches by name and i don't see anything in the man page to alter that |
| 06:47.31 | lncast | hmm, or at least i thought it |
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| 06:47.48 | lncast | cant find reference in the manpage, other than to check the aptitude reference :\ |
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| 06:48.03 | lncast | can't just use apt-cache? |
| 06:48.16 | maxamillion | lncast: i just use apt-cache as of now, i was just wondering if it could be done with aptitude |
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| 06:48.28 | maxamillion | lncast: its not a pressing matter, just a little curious |
| 06:48.44 | StuckMojo | maxamillion: afaik it can only search by the one liner desc |
| 06:49.01 | StuckMojo | for full description you've gotta use packages.debian.org |
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| 06:51.55 | lncast | ahh |
| 06:52.01 | lncast | aptitude search -dWORD |
| 06:52.10 | lncast | sorry, that should be ~dWORD |
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| 06:52.41 | lncast | searching installed pkgs is ~iWORD |
| 06:53.00 | StuckMojo | you sure that's full description? |
| 06:53.21 | maxamillion | i will just use apt-cache ... :) |
| 06:53.23 | maxamillion | no worries |
| 06:53.31 | lncast | StuckMojo: i think he wanted like apt-cache |
| 06:53.45 | maxamillion | every machine i sit infront of that has aptitude will have apt-cache so i'm not concerned |
| 06:53.50 | lncast | maxamillion: but but ~dword seems to return almost the same as apt-cache |
| 06:54.01 | maxamillion | lncast: ah, good to know |
| 06:54.16 | StuckMojo | maxamillion: apt-cache search php |
| 06:54.42 | StuckMojo | apt-cache show foo to see the full description |
| 06:55.01 | StuckMojo | doh! |
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| 06:55.18 | maxamillion | lncast: oooo, i like how aptitude formats it better ... thankies :) |
| 06:55.24 | StuckMojo | i segfaulted. apt-cache searches full desc, just not files in package |
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| 06:55.46 | StuckMojo | my problem with aptitude is it installs recommended packages by default |
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| 06:56.00 | lncast | well turn that off, -R or set it perm in the config |
| 06:56.12 | StuckMojo | i said by default |
| 06:56.15 | StuckMojo | ;) |
| 06:56.19 | pink1 | StuckMojo: dendrite: I got it all working -- thanks -- chmod is persistent ;-) |
| 06:56.20 | StuckMojo | i know how to turn it off |
| 06:56.36 | StuckMojo | pink1: i knew you were asking the wrong question ;) |
| 06:56.37 | lncast | oh, right. my bad. |
| 06:56.42 | Tallu | pink1: it would have been quite alarming if it wasnt :P |
| 06:57.01 | pink1 | can someone tell me what file I have to edit to change what starts at boot-time? |
| 06:57.01 | rpc | do you guys have an idea how to verify my upload bandwidth on a dedicated server? i made some tests and it looks like the upload link isn't 100mbit, it hardly is 10mbit |
| 06:57.06 | StuckMojo | pink1: like i said, it will persist across boxes too |
| 06:57.18 | StuckMojo | pink1: there's lots |
| 06:57.26 | pink1 | StuckMojo: cool -- not needed at the moment - but I'll bear it in mind |
| 06:57.28 | StuckMojo | pink1: it's more about putting a file in a certain dir |
| 06:57.42 | StuckMojo | um...man update-rc.d |
| 06:57.44 | pink1 | StuckMojo: ok -- what dir's? |
| 06:57.54 | pink1 | ah -- ok |
| 06:58.18 | litage | is it possible for ``apt-cache show'' to only display information about a particular version of a package? i was thinking it might work like apt-get (``apt-get install PKG=VERSION''), but ``apt-cache show PKG=VERSION'' failed |
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| 06:58.27 | StuckMojo | pink1: startup scripts go in /etc/init.d then get symlinked into say /etc/rc2.d |
| 06:58.46 | Tallu | rpc: you could try and upload to another 100mbit line, or several 10mbit lines and see the average speeds you're getting with them combined, or something.. not easy to verify if thats the only high bw box you have access to :P |
| 06:59.05 | pink1 | StuckMojo: yea - I've been playing with /etc/init.d - but not getting the resutls I need |
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| 06:59.05 | Miesco | How do I set my $MAIL variable |
| 06:59.22 | StuckMojo | pink1: put script into /etc/init.d then use update-rc.d |
| 06:59.25 | niles | hiw |
| 06:59.26 | niles | hi |
| 06:59.28 | lncast | Miesco: export VAR='val' is the way you set variables afaik |
| 06:59.36 | pink1 | StuckMojo: ok -- I'll try that |
| 06:59.37 | maxamillion | lncast: thank you again ... that is exactly the command i was looking for |
| 06:59.38 | niles | what application is an implementation of POP3 |
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| 06:59.42 | maxamillion | i'm off |
| 06:59.48 | Miesco | lncast: Well how would I do it permanently |
| 06:59.49 | StuckMojo | niles: tons |
| 06:59.50 | niles | sendmail is to SMTP, what is for POP3 |
| 06:59.51 | rpc | Tallu that's what i tried - i tried to upload to 100mbit hosts and i did a few sessions... the more sessions i added the slower the uploads were going... and the total upload time was pretty long, i got 1.31MB/s combined so raw 10mbit uplink, does it make any sense? |
| 06:59.52 | niles | oh |
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| 07:00.06 | pink1 | niles: dovecot |
| 07:00.10 | StuckMojo | niles: oooh, server. courier-pop or lots of others |
| 07:00.16 | niles | never heard of dovecot |
| 07:00.18 | ggl_6 | niles: exim ? |
| 07:00.18 | StuckMojo | apt-cache search php3 server |
| 07:00.22 | bakfupai | Miesco: You would add it to your .bashrc |
| 07:00.22 | Miesco | lncast: I get this when I set the variable in .bash_profile: /usr/lib/ion3/ion-statusd: MAIL environment variable not set and no spool given |
| 07:00.23 | rpc | Tallu i did same uploads from another host and it was flying 9-10MB/s so definetly those hosts i sent to are OK |
| 07:00.26 | ziro01 | sup? |
| 07:00.33 | niles | are there anythat oreilly teaches ? |
| 07:00.36 | StuckMojo | er..pop3 |
| 07:00.43 | Miesco | wait I know |
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| 07:01.10 | Miesco | yay |
| 07:01.15 | LinuxNIT | how do i know what version of the firmware i need to get of sf.net for ipw2100? |
| 07:01.20 | Tallu | rpc: well, in that case it would hint that you're not getting what you're paying for |
| 07:02.03 | rpc | Tallu i would say it's the same with download link... not more than 50mbit/s as each time it gets faster it stops for 1s and goes back to ~5MB/s |
| 07:02.49 | rpc | so can it really be that the ISP is throttling my speeds? shall i contact them? |
| 07:03.21 | Tallu | rpc: well, i'd contact them and ask them about it, if they are, they'll know you're looking into it, and if they aren't, they can help you look into the possible problems |
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| 07:04.00 | rpc | mhm |
| 07:04.10 | rpc | i'm very disappointed with those results, really |
| 07:04.36 | rpc | and that box is online for just a day, was waiting for it to arrive and i get a complete crap :/ |
| 07:04.44 | Tallu | It most certainly wouldnt be the first time for me to hear about an isp limiting the speeds, sometimes they also say you'll get a 100/10 line and fail to mention it's shared with 10 other people with the 5 minute average of 10mbs |
| 07:04.57 | rpc | he he |
| 07:05.04 | pink1 | StuckMojo: I've found all the usual suspects in /etc/init.d but not mozilla or mozilla-thunderbird - which is what I want to stop coming up at boot-time. Any ideas? |
| 07:05.42 | Tallu | rpc: but yeah, i'd definately contact them about it |
| 07:05.52 | pink1 | StuckMojo: maybe XFCE is making it fire up? |
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| 07:06.02 | rpc | Tallu well i didn't pay yet and i won't pay a single penny if they don't give me the full speed, but still i'm afraid that they will tell me that it's not their problem, just the other party of the connection... |
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| 07:06.46 | Tallu | rpc: tell them that you've tested the other party with several other connections and that maybe their routing is useless, well, if they go on that road then maybe you dont want to be their customer anyway |
| 07:06.55 | StuckMojo | pink1: huh? |
| 07:06.57 | rpc | yes |
| 07:07.01 | StuckMojo | pink1: you don't mean boot, you mean login |
| 07:07.10 | StuckMojo | pink1: it's definately xfce |
| 07:07.16 | rpc | Tallu they can always tell me that it's a routing fault and not theirs... |
| 07:07.19 | StuckMojo | pink1: there should be a session editor in it |
| 07:07.35 | rpc | Tallu which would be bull but still, what can i do :/ |
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| 07:07.53 | Tallu | rpc: I had to go through 5 ISPs myself before I found the one I'm really liking. I'm paying a bit extra but in return whenever I email them I get a reply within 5 minutes, they immediately answer phone calls and if they have to send a guy over it'll be done asap, not a 5 day wait :P |
| 07:08.10 | eldowan | wow, what isp is this? |
| 07:08.12 | insmod | pink1: your lock file wasn't killed |
| 07:08.14 | pink1 | StuckMojo: ok -- that's what I'm working on now |
| 07:08.20 | rpc | Tallu so it seems like typical problem - finding a good ISP ;) |
| 07:08.26 | Tallu | eldowan: it's a finnish isp |
| 07:08.29 | Tallu | rpc: yeah.. |
| 07:08.36 | rpc | Tallu do they offer dedicated servers? |
| 07:08.37 | eldowan | Tallu: I guess that would rule me out.. :/ |
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| 07:09.13 | Tallu | rpc: I think so, I'm 100% certain they offer co-location atleast. I can check it out if you're interested, i think they have server rooms in the states as well |
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| 07:09.36 | rpc | Tallu i would appreciate this very much |
| 07:10.00 | Tallu | rpc: San Francisco, New York, London, Helsinki and Singapore, i'll look into the things they're offering |
| 07:10.03 | rpc | as i will never pay for a 100mbit host that is hardly 10mbit one |
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| 07:10.46 | rpc | Tallu sounds great in my ears, please take your time though - i'm not in rush or anything, would be so kind and pm me once you find out? just any time of the day or night :) |
| 07:10.46 | pink1 | Tallu: I'd be interested too |
| 07:10.51 | rpc | pink1 he he |
| 07:10.54 | multi_io | is it normal that pppoe-discovery -I <ethx of NIC connected to the DSL modem> sometimes does not find the modem, but reports "Timeout waiting for PADO packets" instead? |
| 07:11.10 | rpc | would you* be so kind (sorry, still sleeping) |
| 07:11.29 | multi_io | or does this show that there is some problem with the NIC or its driver? |
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| 07:12.23 | Tallu | rpc, pink1, ok, they're offering dedicated servers, either connected to a 10 / 100 or 1000 mbit port, but they say pricing varies on what you want etc, but well, i suppose if you line up what you need and where you need it located i could give them a call and get a contact person for you |
| 07:12.59 | pink1 | Tallu: that'd be great - do you want my email or...? |
| 07:12.59 | lncast | what the hell @ KeRneL |
| 07:13.00 | multi_io | I also have about 5% packet loss when running "ping" for a longer time |
| 07:13.16 | rpc | Tallu do they speak english? |
| 07:13.44 | Tallu | rpc: sure, hehe |
| 07:13.49 | rpc | Tallu he he ok |
| 07:14.39 | Tallu | pink1: well, you could drop me a pm saying what you need as in hardware, os, amount of bw, etc and i'll ask them to give me an initial quote and an email address to which you can then email |
| 07:15.17 | pink1 | Tallu: thanks man -- I'll rough out something and pm it to you if that's ok? |
| 07:15.26 | Tallu | pink1: sure |
| 07:15.32 | pink1 | :_D |
| 07:16.21 | Tallu | rpc: same goes for you :) |
| 07:17.08 | rpc | Tallu thanks so much, i will PM you in several minutes :) |
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| 07:17.56 | rpc | just writing an email to the ISP to tell them to either fix my the bw on that box or cancel the damn order at once |
| 07:18.04 | Tallu | hehe okay :) |
| 07:18.08 | rpc | my == "" |
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| 07:29.09 | drako | <KeRneL> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos |
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| 07:31.49 | drako | Thanks. |
| 07:32.13 | `ns` | maybe we need an apt-get pr0n , dondelelcaro ;-) |
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| 07:37.52 | Ebbs | Hi. My "super" key (windows key) doesnt work. What can I do to assign the key? |
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| 07:42.49 | Ebbs | Hi. My "super" key (windows key) doesnt work. What can I do to assign the key? |
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| 07:43.34 | danf_1979 | I'm on fluxbox right now, but dont like it much heh... is there any other like it? (light) |
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| 07:44.09 | lepine | greetings all, i;m having trouble to see the effects of update-rc.d |
| 07:44.56 | lepine | update-rc.d -f mysql stop 20 0 1 2 6 . |
| 07:45.13 | lepine | my default RL is 2 ... i rebooted and it's still running |
| 07:45.31 | lepine | i ran it again, and it didn't delete the links in /etc/rc2.d |
| 07:45.39 | lepine | am i missing a piece here? |
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| 07:49.55 | LeFallen | danf_1979: PekWM, OpenBox, BlackBox |
| 07:50.50 | LeFallen | Ebbs: You can use xmodmap to map it/them as a valid key (such as Super_L) |
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| 07:52.53 | Ebbs | LeFallen, thx, but I solved the problem: I configured my keyboard generic-101 --> must be 105! :) |
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| 07:55.54 | feld | hey guys i'm trying to throw together a package for mlocate because there doesnt seem to be one available and i'm getting this strange error |
| 07:55.56 | vaq | How much memory can the classic 32bit kernel have support for? 4,8 or 64GB ? |
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| 07:56.16 | feld | vaq: 3GB |
| 07:56.18 | danf_1979 | Hey guys, someone with blackbox?? how can I change resolution? :( |
| 07:56.23 | vaq | feld, really? |
| 07:56.27 | feld | it cant really access all 3 either |
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| 07:56.37 | vaq | how sad is that. |
| 07:56.38 | feld | 32bit programs can only address 2048MB |
| 07:56.58 | feld | anyway, i'm getting this err |
| 07:57.01 | feld | dpkg-gencontrol: error: control file must have at least one binary package part |
| 07:57.06 | feld | what does that mean? |
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| 07:57.57 | lepine | feld ... i dont think BB can do that ... |
| 07:58.11 | lepine | you have to do it with the x conf file |
| 07:58.24 | feld | huh? |
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| 07:58.52 | lepine | you have to edit the X server config file |
| 07:59.06 | feld | lol what are you talking about i'm not dealing with X |
| 07:59.12 | lepine | theres a line telling it which resolution combinations to use |
| 07:59.15 | feld | I'm dealing with building a .deb for mlocate |
| 07:59.23 | feld | you must have me confused for someone else linux_jones |
| 07:59.28 | feld | err lepine |
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| 07:59.48 | lepine | haha, sorry, that was danf_1979 |
| 07:59.53 | feld | :) |
| 08:00.12 | vaq | Does the 64bit version of Debian support highmem out of the stock? |
| 08:00.27 | lepine | any idea about my update-rc.d thing though? |
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| 08:02.49 | feld | vaq: is there a config.gz in /proc ? |
| 08:03.13 | feld | perhaps you could check there if it exists; i'm not on a stock debian install at the moment |
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| 08:03.24 | feld | if it does exist, check and see how the kernel was built :) |
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| 08:03.46 | lepine | danf_1979 ... BB cant change the res within itself ... have to edit the X conf file |
| 08:04.07 | danf_1979 | ok lepine, thanks |
| 08:07.51 | lepine | ah, got it ... i had to update-rc.d mysql remove before doing the start and stop |
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| 08:21.53 | dimir | Morning! Morning! Morning! |
| 08:22.08 | pink1 | evening here |
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| 08:22.21 | parsonsd | dimir coffee! coffee! coffee! |
| 08:22.36 | dimir | parsonsd: yes, drinking it! yes, drinking it! yes, drinking it! |
| 08:22.40 | dimir | \o/ |
| 08:22.46 | parsonsd | ha |
| 08:22.52 | parsonsd | brewing more of it |
| 08:23.07 | dimir | \o/ |
| 08:23.33 | drako | Tweek? |
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| 08:29.39 | aboyz | Anyone using dovecot with squirrel mail before? I can't seem to get it working. Here is the error when i try to log into squirrel mail. Feb 2 01:14:34 web dovecot: auth-worker(default): sql(support@dohma.com,127.0.0.1): User query failed: Unknown column 'uid' in 'field list' Feb 2 01:14:34 web dovecot: imap-login: Internal login failure: user=<support@dohma.com>, method=PLAIN, rip=127.0.0.1, lip=127.0.0.1, secured |
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| 08:31.55 | stew | aboyz: does your dovecot auth against mysql? |
| 08:32.15 | stew | aboyz: can you log into it with some other imap client? |
| 08:32.35 | aboyz | no |
| 08:32.38 | aboyz | its not working |
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| 08:32.43 | aboyz | i can't even do it locally |
| 08:32.47 | aboyz | i try to send a email out |
| 08:32.52 | aboyz | mail locally |
| 08:32.54 | aboyz | kno wwhat i mea? |
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| 08:34.18 | SlayerXP | any suggestions for a utility to slurp all the images from $url ? |
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| 08:36.28 | stew | aboyz: you intend to have dovecot mysql to store credentials? |
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| 08:37.57 | stoned | argh! |
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| 08:38.32 | dimir | parsons daemon: your only medicine is c0ff33!!!!! |
| 08:38.43 | dimir | stoned: HOI! |
| 08:38.51 | stoned | hello |
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| 08:39.58 | Phil2 | hi there, anyone know how I can get Debian to execute commands on every login after displaying the motd? |
| 08:40.00 | deadcat | is it possible that when i visit non existence site, instead of getting server not found, can i make it so it will go to my localhost server? for example. i got to blahblahblah.edu, doesnt exist, but i have blahblahblah.edu in my vhost, it goes there.. can i do that? not messing with /etc/hosts |
| 08:40.27 | jayb | Guys... I have a prob with my Debian Etch |
| 08:40.41 | jayb | php5-mysqli install... |
| 08:40.49 | jayb | id love to see if anyone can help |
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| 08:41.19 | jayb | im getting "#2014 - Commands out of sync" errors |
| 08:41.30 | jayb | when executing (some) queries from php5 |
| 08:41.40 | SlayerXP | jayb: what's your debian-specific question? |
| 08:41.49 | jayb | ( phpMyadmin does it if I type an SQL manually ... but browsing tables is fine ) |
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| 08:42.01 | jayb | well... maybe its not a debian problem |
| 08:42.05 | jayb | but its a problem with the package |
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| 08:42.08 | jayb | at least (I believe) |
| 08:42.21 | SlayerXP | jayb: then please file a bug report |
| 08:42.23 | jayb | another one of my servers has a slightly older package... but it works 100% |
| 08:42.39 | jayb | well I want to know if anyone else can verify it, or if its a known problem with a simple quick work arround |
| 08:42.47 | jayb | otherwise I will file a report then ... |
| 08:43.08 | jayb | just surprised that its slipped through... (if it truly is a bug.. and not an error of mine) |
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| 08:47.24 | eldowan | what is the difference between the commands ls and dir? they are the same size on my etch install, but diff shows them to be different. The man pages look identical to me, with identical options and explanations |
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| 08:48.05 | robin_sz | bah, why is this mrtg temperature graph inintegers? I dont have the integer option set |
| 08:48.10 | danf_1979 | I think there is a bug on gnome-panel, check this...... |
| 08:48.12 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:48.12 | danf_1979 | 22226 daniel 15 0 298m 166m 31m S 0.0 33.1 0:06.31 gnome-panel |
| 08:48.19 | danf_1979 | 33% mem? |
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| 08:49.57 | stoned | why use Gnome when you can use XFCE |
| 08:50.10 | stoned | if you're going to use GTK based crap, use less smelly crap |
| 08:50.27 | pink1 | stoned: can you help with xfce? |
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| 08:50.43 | stoned | I don't know |
| 08:50.45 | stoned | !ask |
| 08:50.45 | dpkg_ | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:51.17 | insmod | xfce4 sucks |
| 08:51.37 | insmod | xfce rocks -- 4 ehhh |
| 08:52.12 | eldowan | stoned: whats the difference between ls and dir? I can't figure it out, except default options. |
| 08:52.16 | parsonsd | XFCE? |
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| 08:52.28 | stoned | eldowan: not quite positive |
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| 08:52.48 | insmod | eldowan: ls is unix dir is win but alias makes it the same |
| 08:52.50 | eldowan | so you are hovering right around 0? |
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| 08:53.13 | eldowan | insmod: nope, both are binary files, and they differ. I thought it might be an alias, but it doesn't seem to |
| 08:53.52 | insmod | eldowan: ya it is |
| 08:53.56 | stoned | pink1: are you going to ask your question? |
| 08:54.09 | eldowan | insmod: how can I tell for sure if it is an alias. I haven't set it. |
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| 08:54.17 | pink1 | how do I edit out old sessions in xfce |
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| 08:54.44 | stoned | pink1: It has been a long time.. I recommend #xfce |
| 08:54.55 | stoned | I've been using kde or a few years now |
| 08:54.57 | pink1 | and also edit what gets started on login |
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| 08:55.07 | stoned | you can save sessions with different stuff |
| 08:55.10 | pink1 | stoned: I am talking about xfce |
| 08:55.10 | jsan | how i configure my pptpd server to close the conection if my client is down ? |
| 08:55.14 | stoned | and select it upon xfce4 launch |
| 08:55.21 | pink1 | but there's no-one htere |
| 08:55.23 | stoned | I can't quite recall how to do that |
| 08:55.25 | pink1 | there -- even |
| 08:55.33 | deadcat | is it possible that when i visit non existence site, instead of getting server not found, can i make it so it will go to my localhost server? for example. i got to blahblahblah.edu, doesnt exist, but i have blahblahblah.edu in my vhost, it goes there.. can i do that? not messing with /etc/hosts |
| 08:55.43 | insmod | eldowan: type alias |
| 08:55.56 | stoned | deadcat: its a browser specific thing I believe.. |
| 08:56.07 | stoned | deadcat: browser error page maybe |
| 08:56.10 | stoned | I'm not quite sure |
| 08:56.13 | Ebbs | hi! Ive installed xgl on my debian/etch with a ati card! It works fine, but ive to stop gdm and start it again to make xgl work after system startup! |
| 08:56.13 | jsan | how i configure my pptpd server to close the conection if my client is down ? |
| 08:56.14 | stoned | im not sure of anything |
| 08:56.16 | stoned | damn |
| 08:56.20 | eldowan | insmod: alias ls='ls --color=auto' |
| 08:56.27 | eldowan | insmod: the only returned value ^ |
| 08:56.28 | stoned | no |
| 08:56.30 | stoned | color=always |
| 08:56.31 | stoned | :) |
| 08:56.48 | eldowan | bah, greyscale is nice sometimes. |
| 08:56.48 | deadcat | ls='exit' |
| 08:56.50 | Ebbs | Can it be, that gdm uses different conf files when starting up system and normal gdm startup? |
| 08:56.56 | insmod | eldowan: it's still an alias what are you running |
| 08:57.13 | eldowan | insmod: i honestly don't understand. |
| 08:57.24 | eldowan | ls='rm -rf /' |
| 08:57.25 | jsan | how i configure my pptpd server to close the conection if my client is down ? |
| 08:57.49 | insmod | eldowan: :) sure |
| 08:58.10 | eldowan | insmod: I'm not kidding. I don't understand how it is an alias. |
| 08:58.38 | insmod | eldowan: could be a symlink |
| 08:58.39 | eldowan | insmod: etch, uname -r 2.6.18-3-k7 |
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| 08:58.46 | EdwardElric | which ls |
| 08:58.52 | eldowan | insmod: stat and file both report they are each files |
| 08:59.04 | EdwardElric | then file what it gives ya |
| 08:59.04 | eldowan | EdwardElric: which ls = /bin/ls which dir = /bin/dir |
| 08:59.14 | Ebbs | hi! Ive installed xgl on my debian/etch with a ati card! It works fine, but ive to stop gdm and start it again to make xgl work after system startup! |
| 08:59.17 | Ebbs | Can it be, that gdm uses different conf files when starting up system and normal gdm startup? |
| 08:59.26 | insmod | eldowan: ya can be a ln -s |
| 08:59.28 | eldowan | EdwardElric: file reports both as files. |
| 08:59.33 | jsan | how i configure my pptpd server to close the conection if my client is down ? |
| 08:59.46 | EdwardElric | binaries? |
| 08:59.54 | xand | jsan: stop that |
| 08:59.59 | insmod | eldowan: oh and no dir on my box :) |
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| 09:00.09 | insmod | eldowan: locate dir |
| 09:00.12 | eldowan | /bin$ ls -l dir ls |
| 09:00.12 | eldowan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 77480 2006-08-31 06:57 dir |
| 09:00.12 | eldowan | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 77480 2006-08-31 06:57 ls |
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| 09:00.51 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:01.24 | eldowan | EdwardElric: my system shows both ls and dir as binaries |
| 09:01.29 | insmod | eldowan: mc and see if it is |
| 09:01.38 | eldowan | mc? |
| 09:01.49 | insmod | midnight commander |
| 09:01.56 | insmod | great tool |
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| 09:02.27 | insmod | copy of norton comander |
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| 09:03.12 | rares000 | if my server has bind rndc and zones defined can i set the options at the registrar (A, CNAME, MX) and just set the name servers to ns1 and ns2.server.tld |
| 09:03.37 | eldowan | *dir *ls both 77480, but diff reports a difference |
| 09:04.06 | insmod | eldowan: ya prob a link |
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| 09:04.12 | insmod | eldowan: mc? |
| 09:04.19 | xand | they arent links |
| 09:04.23 | eldowan | insmod: yup |
| 09:04.29 | rares000 | i remeber the first day i used redhat (why does debian not include mc by default?) i didn't know what to do so i kept hitting random keys and mc came up |
| 09:04.40 | eldowan | insmod: yes to the mc, not links |
| 09:04.56 | eldowan | rares000: mc isn't included b/c it isn't a must have for system operation |
| 09:05.02 | insmod | eldowan: hmm what bastard file do you have lol |
| 09:05.16 | eldowan | I'll check p.d.o for it |
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| 09:05.54 | insmod | eldowan: apt-get install mc |
| 09:05.57 | eldowan | insmod: dir is part of coreutils |
| 09:06.04 | rares000 | eldowan the number of times i've mounted isos and chrooted my way back to a restored system i have to say mc is cruclal |
| 09:06.13 | eldowan | insmod: I tried mc it gave *dir and *ls |
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| 09:06.33 | insmod | hmm |
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| 09:06.49 | eldowan | rares000: crucial maybe, a great tool: no doubt. needed for use, naaah. :D |
| 09:06.52 | insmod | eldowan: dir is ls though |
| 09:07.27 | eldowan | insmod: dir is provided in coreutils, and ls is provided in coreutils too |
| 09:07.47 | insmod | eldowan: man dir then ls |
| 09:08.01 | eldowan | what is the difference between the commands ls and dir? they are the same size on my etch install, but diff shows them to be different. The man pages look identical to me, with identical options and explanations |
| 09:08.05 | eldowan | insmod: that was my first post. |
| 09:08.06 | stoned | eldowan: you've got too much time |
| 09:08.15 | EdwardElric | haha |
| 09:08.24 | insmod | eldowan: same |
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| 09:08.34 | eldowan | stoned: nah, I was looking for a program that started with di, and I justs hit di<tab><tab>. there it was |
| 09:08.36 | EdwardElric | is md5sum the same ;) |
| 09:08.41 | xand | dir escapes spaces and things |
| 09:08.58 | xand | install the source for both, and compare ;) |
| 09:09.01 | eldowan | xand: I did notice that, though I think ls will do it with an option |
| 09:09.04 | Joachim | maybe they are hardlinked to each other |
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| 09:09.15 | xand | Joachim: they arent |
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| 09:09.21 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
| 09:09.25 | stoned | Hi |
| 09:09.27 | xand | md5sum gives them different results |
| 09:09.45 | eldowan | /bin$ md5sum ls dir |
| 09:09.45 | eldowan | 8720f9b9ec5971e9d96c160ff3230f04 ls |
| 09:09.45 | eldowan | 9363ee0d2a6097fd802174b554ddbacb dir |
| 09:09.50 | eldowan | different indeed :D |
| 09:10.03 | eldowan | and so does diff |
| 09:10.13 | rares000 | so can i drop the A CNAME and MX details if I switch nameservers at the registrar to my server |
| 09:10.32 | rares000 | especially wondering if I can drop the MX |
| 09:10.47 | eldowan | rares000: you don't need any MX record? |
| 09:10.49 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I'm thinking of using Debian as a linux router. But I don't know how I can install it. It's already been used as a router on FC4. And if I cannot install Debian via network with PPPoE, it gets very hard to install it. |
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| 09:11.14 | rares000 | I used mydomain.com for sometime but now I run bind |
| 09:11.48 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: good news! |
| 09:11.57 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: /msg dpkg install guide |
| 09:12.08 | stoned | Consult chapters 3,4,5, especially 4,5 |
| 09:12.14 | eldowan | rares000: there isn't a reason you cant drop the details. maybe dns wouldn't work correctly after, but you *can* do it. :D I'm not sure it would screw anything up though. |
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| 09:13.40 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stoned: Thx. I try. |
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| 09:16.33 | jstevens | Anybody have any ideas why my etch system (kernel 2.6.18) throws an oops immediately on boot when I upgrade the RAM from 768MB to 1GB? |
| 09:16.46 | eldowan | if ls and dir provide identical uses except for default character excapes, why not just ln -s them? |
| 09:16.53 | eldowan | jstevens: bad ram |
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| 09:16.57 | SlayerXP | jstevens: bad ram |
| 09:17.02 | eldowan | or a bad ram socket |
| 09:17.09 | eldowan | i've had those too |
| 09:17.15 | SlayerXP | jstevens: or perhaps try turning the machine off before installing memory |
| 09:17.17 | eldowan | switch banks and see it is still there |
| 09:17.28 | eldowan | SlayerXP: sweet :D |
| 09:17.32 | Tallu | SlayerXP: haha |
| 09:18.19 | jstevens | I'm leaning toward a bad socket. I think the memory is OK as it makes no difference in what order I install the modules. Once I get to four 256MB modules, it throws an oops. |
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| 09:18.41 | eldowan | jstevens: yeah, order 3 2GB sticks and be happy. :D |
| 09:19.28 | stoned | eldowan: I do with 2x512@C5-5-5-15/860Mhz DDR-II |
| 09:19.43 | stoned | eldowan: I run all my games, my services, downloading, serving.. you name it |
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| 09:20.05 | jstevens | eldowan: Oh, that would make me very happy. My board is an older Asus CUBX. It maxes out at 1GB. I don't think it will handle module larger than 256MB. |
| 09:20.06 | eldowan | stoned: I'm running 2x512 corsair value select, default timings. |
| 09:20.14 | stoned | value select |
| 09:20.17 | stoned | I got jipped too |
| 09:20.29 | stoned | I was hoping to get the Micron D9 chips on my Corsair XMS2 |
| 09:20.31 | eldowan | nah, didn't get jipped. I bought cheap. :D |
| 09:20.31 | stoned | but I didn't |
| 09:20.46 | stoned | so I can't go past 430FSB on a 1:1 |
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| 09:21.01 | stoned | I borrowd a ddr2-800 ram module and I got 500FSB |
| 09:21.04 | eldowan | return after applying a crucial 400Hz shock into two random pins on the ram. say it just never worked. |
| 09:21.07 | stoned | 3500mhz from an e6300 |
| 09:21.08 | stoned | ! |
| 09:21.20 | eldowan | nice OC |
| 09:21.20 | stoned | eldowan: I can't :) |
| 09:21.30 | stoned | rock solid stable |
| 09:21.33 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stoned: What's the URI? I haven't found what you told me yet. |
| 09:21.33 | eldowan | ok, 220V 60Hz works too |
| 09:21.34 | jstevens | These are Kingston modules w/ Micron chips. |
| 09:21.46 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: /msg dpkg install guide |
| 09:21.51 | stoned | for the 2nd time :) |
| 09:21.54 | stoned | !install guide |
| 09:21.55 | dpkg_ | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 09:22.04 | stoned | 3rd times the charm.. hopefuly |
| 09:22.21 | eldowan | iyhtays: if you have to ask, you suck? |
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| 09:22.24 | eldowan | !iyhtays |
| 09:22.25 | dpkg_ | If you have to ask, you shouldn't. |
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| 09:23.31 | drako | lol |
| 09:24.00 | eldowan | well, I guess i stumped the channel tonight. I'm off to sleep of the adreniline rush from stumping all 689 people/bots here!! |
| 09:24.01 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I did. But I couldn't get any responses. |
| 09:24.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Thanks anyway. |
| 09:24.21 | stoned | eldowan: btw, I got 1700mhz OC with 1.27500 vid |
| 09:24.22 | eldowan | Emmanuel_Chanel: /msg dpkg will open a private session with the dpkg bot |
| 09:24.31 | stoned | eldowan: default was 1.32500v! |
| 09:24.40 | stoned | I can't seem to top 45C under full load |
| 09:24.44 | stoned | :D |
| 09:24.54 | eldowan | now just imagine what 120v could let you soar too. you should try it |
| 09:25.17 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 09:25.18 | dpkg_ | well, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 09:25.31 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: ^^ look up |
| 09:25.48 | eldowan | stoned: do you have any norah jones on hand? |
| 09:26.14 | eldowan | specificaly the come away with me album? |
| 09:26.16 | Emmanuel_Chanel | !help |
| 09:26.26 | stoned | I don't even know who that is |
| 09:26.34 | stoned | I have not been listening to .... |
| 09:26.37 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: dude! |
| 09:26.44 | stoned | no offence, but what a tard! |
| 09:26.45 | stoned | damn |
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| 09:27.20 | drako | lol no offence |
| 09:27.22 | stoned | I better take a hit or two I'm gonna lose my patience |
| 09:27.34 | eldowan | stoned: aah, n/m then. Wonderful female vocalist. Ravi Shankar's daughter |
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| 09:27.41 | stoned | ahh |
| 09:27.44 | stoned | that moronic sap |
| 09:27.56 | stoned | yeh yeh, we get it.. hes one of the only indian dudes in the west |
| 09:28.01 | stoned | doesn't neccesserily make him good |
| 09:28.06 | stoned | hes mediocre |
| 09:28.07 | eldowan | stoned: if you are on tomorrow, i'll get you a sample or two. |
| 09:28.13 | stoned | cool |
| 09:28.17 | stoned | preciate it |
| 09:28.26 | eldowan | stoned: She is all american. actually grew up in texas |
| 09:28.55 | stoned | I will be very disappointed if my kids turn out to be talentless in music |
| 09:29.10 | stoned | I'll make my babies listen to classical music and death metal until they are like 3-4 years old |
| 09:29.16 | stoned | then I'll start to teach them violin and guitar |
| 09:29.23 | stoned | then when they are a bit older |
| 09:29.26 | stoned | i'll get them lessons |
| 09:29.30 | eldowan | stoned: type0 scared my niece, but she loved almost everything hard. |
| 09:29.46 | SubStack | teach them perl |
| 09:29.49 | stoned | my neice is all into that bollywood movie music bullshit |
| 09:30.23 | stoned | or western pop |
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| 09:30.33 | stoned | I can't understand how people can listen to this shit |
| 09:30.43 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stoned: Thx anyway. But I couldn't get a response from dpkg ... |
| 09:30.51 | stoned | dpkg hi |
| 09:30.52 | dpkg_ | salut |
| 09:31.00 | stoned | argh |
| 09:31.11 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: did you visit the wiki page I told you about? |
| 09:31.21 | stoned | just read it man |
| 09:31.29 | stoned | its not a big deal.. won't take more than 2 minutes |
| 09:31.34 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Yeah. |
| 09:31.43 | stoned | or |
| 09:31.52 | stoned | go to debian.org and find the installation manual for your architecture |
| 09:31.58 | stoned | you don't have to depend on me you know |
| 09:32.07 | stoned | really, you don't |
| 09:32.09 | stoned | :) |
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| 09:32.41 | eldowan | stoned: but you are a pilliar of the latenight community. |
| 09:32.51 | stoned | im always here |
| 09:32.55 | tenzing_ | hi ... how can i copy a VCD on my harddrive? |
| 09:33.00 | stoned | !debstats |
| 09:33.00 | dpkg_ | somebody said debstats was managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 09:33.03 | stoned | lets find out what they say |
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| 09:33.19 | stoned | #3 |
| 09:33.24 | stoned | I've never beat abrotman |
| 09:33.28 | stoned | in 5-6 years |
| 09:33.32 | stoned | well |
| 09:33.35 | stoned | 3 realy |
| 09:33.39 | stoned | i exageratedlajsdlfjasdf |
| 09:33.43 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stoned: You meant this: http://wiki.debian.org/DpkgBot ? |
| 09:33.49 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: yessir |
| 09:33.58 | eldowan | heh, I'm 24 and I haven't even been here a year yet. :D |
| 09:34.11 | stoned | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual |
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| 09:34.46 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: ^^ and pick your arch. |
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| 09:35.23 | eldowan | I want the golden arch(es) |
| 09:36.35 | stoned | stoned talks to him/herself a lot. He/She wrote over 5 lines in a row 24 times! |
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| 09:36.57 | stoned | stoned also makes sailors blush, 0.2% of the time |
| 09:37.00 | stoned | lol |
| 09:37.12 | stoned | i must have a potty mouth if I can make sailors blush |
| 09:37.29 | eldowan | stoned: that wasn't you sleeping on one knee at the dock with a take a penny stapled to your back was it? |
| 09:37.39 | stoned | what? |
| 09:37.40 | stoned | lol |
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| 09:38.13 | eldowan | stoned: once the fall rolls around, I'll take you to see Christoph the Insultor at the Texas Rennaisance Festival. you'll die laughing |
| 09:38.27 | stoned | sweet |
| 09:39.22 | parsonsd | yikes, i didn't know such statistics existed. |
| 09:39.27 | parsonsd | clearly i need to babble more. |
| 09:39.32 | eldowan | parsonsd: can you find yourself? |
| 09:39.33 | stoned | lol |
| 09:39.49 | parsonsd | <sad look> no. |
| 09:40.11 | pink1 | you have to be motormouth to get anywhere near the top of those stats |
| 09:40.23 | stoned | lol |
| 09:40.34 | stoned | well |
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| 09:40.39 | pink1 | normal people pause for breath .... |
| 09:40.40 | stoned | I could make a band called motormouth |
| 09:40.43 | eldowan | pink1: nope. I've got a transmission mouth. 0-60 words per minute in less than 2 seconds. |
| 09:40.51 | pink1 | yea yea |
| 09:40.53 | stoned | whats with all the 'head' bands |
| 09:41.02 | stoned | like godhead, motorhead, machinehead |
| 09:41.08 | stoned | wtf is with the fucking head! |
| 09:41.08 | eldowan | stoned: everyone like getting good head once in a while. :D |
| 09:41.13 | pink1 | it's all in your head :-p |
| 09:41.33 | stoned | I don't care how good a band is |
| 09:41.34 | parsonsd | well, i'll never be able to match abrotman, but i was hoping maybe i could make the "honorable mention" category with deadcat.... |
| 09:41.35 | Emmanuel_Chanel | In Japanese manual, it doesn't say that I can install Debian via PPPoE but via PPP(dial up). |
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| 09:41.39 | stoned | if they have a stupid name, i don't listen to em |
| 09:41.42 | tsurc | hi, I'm having problems setting up a repository in apt. (Example) http://distro.package.tld/release/package-1.2.8/binary holds a Package.gz how can I get apt to use it. |
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| 09:42.07 | parsonsd | "fucking head" might not be a good name either |
| 09:42.18 | eldowan | stoned: do those stats get purged on a timely basis? |
| 09:42.31 | stoned | nope.. they stay indefinitely afaik |
| 09:42.38 | pink1 | parsonsd: fuckhead might be better |
| 09:42.42 | P_Kable | anybody knows how to setup iscsi on debian ? |
| 09:42.44 | stoned | eldowan: I would ask sussudio about it |
| 09:43.22 | pink1 | Emmanuel_Chanel: I tried an install on ppp -- it was tooooooo painful |
| 09:43.33 | eldowan | sussudio: does the stats from !dpkgstat get purged regularly? |
| 09:43.39 | parsonsd | pink1 : i dunno. might be hard to get shelf space at walmart.... |
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| 09:43.47 | stoned | eldowan: debstats |
| 09:43.50 | Emmanuel_Chanel | You mean dial up? |
| 09:43.53 | stoned | eldowan: i don't think he is here |
| 09:44.03 | Emmanuel_Chanel | I want to do by PPP over Ethernet(ADSL) |
| 09:44.03 | eldowan | sussudio: does the stats from !debstats get purged regularly? |
| 09:44.05 | stoned | atm |
| 09:44.07 | pink1 | parsonsd: walhead than? |
| 09:44.10 | eldowan | stoned: hes logged in though. |
| 09:44.21 | parsonsd | hah, that's it, pink1 |
| 09:44.22 | eldowan | how about head PE? |
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| 09:44.33 | stoned | i've heard the name |
| 09:44.35 | pink1 | Emmanuel_Chanel: ok -- sorry I thought you meant dialup |
| 09:44.38 | RvGaTe | Is there a shortcut for opening the system monitor ? |
| 09:44.40 | stoned | we're getting too OT people |
| 09:44.42 | parsonsd | eldowan, "headpee" |
| 09:44.44 | stoned | Rene! |
| 09:44.44 | tsurc | Ive read though the docs but nothing has worked so far |
| 09:44.44 | stoned | omg! |
| 09:44.51 | stoned | sup biznatch |
| 09:44.54 | stoned | whats going on |
| 09:45.01 | Emmanuel_Chanel | pink1: That's ok. Thanks anyway. |
| 09:45.03 | eldowan | tsurc: for what? |
| 09:45.17 | stoned | RvGaTe: dunno, gnome? |
| 09:45.23 | Emmanuel_Chanel | And I couldn't get info about that. So I ask here. |
| 09:45.31 | RvGaTe | stoned, xfce |
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| 09:45.51 | tsurc | apt repos. I have a dir with A Package.gz and debs inside. But I can't get apt to see them |
| 09:46.01 | stoned | RvGaTe: not for xfce4 panel I don't think so |
| 09:46.01 | pink1 | Emmanuel_Chanel: I'm no expert - but i'd say that's a hard job |
| 09:46.15 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Yeah. |
| 09:46.27 | stoned | RvGaTe: i know in gnome you can add system display stuff like mem/cpu etc on panel, and when you double click it, it launches system monitor |
| 09:46.30 | stoned | etc. |
| 09:46.52 | eldowan | stoned: RvGaTe: what about a hotkey? does xfce support those? |
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| 09:47.08 | RvGaTe | eldowan, thats what i mean... hotkey :P |
| 09:47.18 | pink1 | xfce is great but i find it hard to "tweak" |
| 09:47.39 | stoned | im so lazy that i'll go hungry instead of cooking foo |
| 09:47.40 | eldowan | RvGaTe: just a suggestion, b/c I stick w/ kde and havent used xfce |
| 09:47.42 | stoned | :( |
| 09:47.48 | eldowan | stoned: been there. |
| 09:47.50 | stoned | heh, talk about configuring stuff |
| 09:47.58 | RvGaTe | eldowan, sorry, i tried kde, just not my thing |
| 09:48.07 | stoned | I keep a backup on my ~/.* on my gmail accounts |
| 09:48.08 | stoned | :) |
| 09:48.14 | stoned | s/on/of |
| 09:48.14 | eldowan | RvGaTe: its all good. I can't stand gnome. |
| 09:48.19 | sussudio | %fist eldowan |
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| 09:48.27 | RvGaTe | eldowan, thats why im using xfce :P |
| 09:48.27 | stoned | sussudio: hey whats up |
| 09:48.35 | eldowan | sussudio: I'm sorry, I don't understand. |
| 09:48.48 | stoned | sussudio: 1, eldowan: 0 |
| 09:48.58 | stoned | teehee |
| 09:49.00 | eldowan | !shoot stoned |
| 09:49.25 | eldowan | !abuse stoned |
| 09:49.25 | sussudio | debstats are as they are. it's clear enough. |
| 09:49.25 | eldowan | eldowan 2, stoned 0 |
| 09:49.25 | stoned | ooooh BURN! |
| 09:49.25 | stoned | hehe |
| 09:49.25 | disposable | do i need to be in a specific group to be able to print? (through cups + hplip) |
| 09:49.43 | tsurc | eldowan apt, example http://distro.package.tld/release/package-1.2.8/binary holds a Package.gz but can I get apt to use it.... Nope! |
| 09:49.44 | eldowan | sussudio: I understand debstats is what it is, I was just wondering if the stats ever start over, or if they are ever runing. |
| 09:49.53 | pink1 | sheesh that #xfce is useless |
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| 09:50.06 | eldowan | tsurc: have you tried adding a line in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:50.10 | tomekk | hi |
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| 09:50.43 | eldowan | sussudio: I guess I missed the '30 day reporting period' at the top |
| 09:51.01 | stoned | eldowan: look at the bottom |
| 09:51.03 | sussudio | :-| |
| 09:51.12 | tsurc | read the apt docs and added a line, but no joy |
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| 09:52.15 | tsurc | eldowan: read the apt docs and added a line, but no joy |
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| 09:53.57 | eldowan | tsurc: are you sure it is a good repo? |
| 09:54.02 | tsurc | eldowan: deb http://distro.package.tld/ release/ package-1.2.8 no joy |
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| 09:54.09 | P_Kable | non pas la :( |
| 09:54.18 | tsurc | yep I can browse to it |
| 09:54.24 | tsurc | eldowan: yep I can browse to it |
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| 09:54.34 | eldowan | tsurc: by good repo I mean complete and in tact |
| 09:54.38 | nikko | hi..... I have docked my laptop, and when I boot it, I can see the text on my external monitor, but when X is started, there is some random-colors on the external monitor....what can I do?.....ple....someone |
| 09:54.40 | eldowan | or maybe it is intact |
| 09:54.50 | rpc | hm i can't seem to find these basic tools on fresh sarge: mtr, host, nslookup, dig <--what should i apt-get to get those? |
| 09:54.57 | eldowan | nikko: easy solution? turn the external monitor off |
| 09:55.14 | tsurc | eldowan: http://ubuntu.opennms.org/dapper/opennms-1.2.8/ |
| 09:55.18 | eldowan | !+provides host |
| 09:55.21 | dpkg_ | host: has nothing about provides |
| 09:55.31 | tsurc | eldowan: how would I check? |
| 09:55.34 | nikko | no It doesnt work |
| 09:55.48 | eldowan | !dpo |
| 09:55.51 | eldowan | !pdo |
| 09:55.52 | dpkg_ | http://packages.debian.org/ - here you can search for debian packages and their contents. Pretty Damned Obvious, isn't it?, or http://people.debian.org/, in some contexts. Maybe even http://planet.debian.org/ |
| 09:55.56 | eldowan | rpc: ^ |
| 09:56.03 | rpc | eldowan well yes |
| 09:56.20 | rpc | eldowan i just wonder how come stock debian sarge has no basic tools for ns lookups |
| 09:56.25 | stoned | it does |
| 09:56.27 | stoned | dnsutils |
| 09:56.31 | stoned | IIRC |
| 09:56.40 | rpc | oh hm... dnsutils |
| 09:56.49 | stoned | and some others |
| 09:57.07 | nikko | If I turn off the monitor and turn it again, its still the same.... |
| 09:57.12 | rpc | thanks so much - installing dnsutils added the famous host command finally ;) |
| 09:57.16 | eldowan | rpc: they aren't installed by default b/c debian doesn't like to bloat your system at a fresh load. its what I was told by others who know more than I |
| 09:57.37 | eldowan | nikko: I was actually making a bad joke. If it don't work, don't use it. |
| 09:57.39 | rpc | eldowan i do understand and i love it like it is, i just had no clue what package includes "host" |
| 09:57.44 | rpc | it's a bit tricky to find |
| 09:58.02 | eldowan | rpc: Indeed, some apps are a bit tricky to find. its all good though:D |
| 09:58.11 | rpc | thanks very much stoned (ekhm he he) |
| 09:58.17 | stoned | sure |
| 09:58.36 | stoned | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/network-administrator/ch-tcpip.html |
| 09:58.39 | stoned | this might be useful |
| 09:58.45 | eldowan | love, peace and chicken grease, I'm out |
| 09:58.51 | stoned | everythign is made clear when you read the docs buddy |
| 09:58.53 | stoned | READ! |
| 09:58.54 | eldowan | stoned: see you in a couple weeks if not sooner. |
| 09:58.56 | stoned | no way around it |
| 09:58.57 | nikko | yeah... so its imposible to get a external monitor to work in debian? |
| 09:59.02 | rpc | btw do you know a nice tool that will ping certain hosts and make a cool graph on a regular basis? i have seen some nice graphs like that that could visualize diff ISPs etc. |
| 09:59.07 | stoned | eldowan: definitely |
| 09:59.10 | stoned | eldowan: you takin off now |
| 09:59.21 | eldowan | nikko: no, it is quite possible, you just need to configure your xserver to handle both screens. |
| 09:59.27 | rpc | stoned thanks alot again, really useful in fact |
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| 09:59.32 | eldowan | nikko: try docking, and the /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 09:59.53 | eldowan | stoned: I'm planning on it, but I have a way of procrastinating sleep |
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| 10:00.08 | stoned | lol |
| 10:00.17 | stoned | im gonna crash out here in a few too |
| 10:00.21 | stoned | pretty tired |
| 10:00.33 | eldowan | stoned: aah, but I have a warm body to keep me company. :D |
| 10:00.34 | rpc | damn time zones :) |
| 10:00.43 | eldowan | rpc: it is 4am here. |
| 10:00.44 | nikko | okay.... I tried in my xorg.conf: Know there a to monitors in it, and tried with clone |
| 10:00.45 | Tidus | eldowan, i wish i had that lol |
| 10:00.51 | rpc | and damn warm bodies :) |
| 10:01.07 | rpc | eldowan it's 11am here :) |
| 10:01.13 | craigevil | 5am here |
| 10:01.15 | eldowan | Tidus: what can I say, I got lucky when she lowered her standards. :D |
| 10:01.20 | karsten | 2am |
| 10:01.23 | rpc | he he |
| 10:01.34 | pink1 | 11pm |
| 10:01.40 | Tidus | eldowan, LOL |
| 10:01.43 | rpc | lol |
| 10:01.48 | eldowan | almost beer-o-clock there pink1 |
| 10:01.50 | pink1 | Friday :-p |
| 10:01.58 | cydork | !lol |
| 10:01.59 | dpkg_ | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 10:02.02 | pink1 | too late -- I've started the wine ;-) |
| 10:02.13 | rpc | lmao eldowan i think i love your sense of humor already |
| 10:02.19 | stoned | lolz |
| 10:02.21 | eldowan | rpc: it only gets wors |
| 10:02.23 | stoned | loooool |
| 10:02.26 | rpc | pink1 and remember that wine is not an emulator ;) |
| 10:02.38 | rpc | he he |
| 10:02.44 | parsonsd | "loll" |
| 10:02.44 | eldowan | hmm wine-o-clock... not my thing, I like my whiskey |
| 10:02.53 | stoned | jack/coke |
| 10:03.02 | pink1 | rpc: dunno about that -- it's emulating a fair image of the back of my eyeballs |
| 10:03.03 | stoned | can't beat it |
| 10:03.03 | rpc | beer-o-clock lmao |
| 10:03.03 | eldowan | stoned: ever heard of the PeeWee Herman drink? |
| 10:03.08 | stoned | nope |
| 10:03.14 | stoned | is it topped off with jizz? |
| 10:03.15 | Tidus | just messes with my system real bad |
| 10:03.15 | eldowan | jack/squirt |
| 10:03.15 | stoned | j/k |
| 10:03.19 | stoned | hahaha |
| 10:03.20 | stoned | i knew it |
| 10:03.22 | rpc | pink1 he he |
| 10:03.30 | Tidus | beer is about the only thing i can drink |
| 10:03.33 | eldowan | crown/sprite |
| 10:03.34 | pink1 | liquid is best |
| 10:03.42 | Tidus | once in a while i can make a holiday out of it and drink some captain morgans |
| 10:03.43 | eldowan | fuck beer, liquor is quicker!! |
| 10:03.46 | pink1 | haven;t found gaseous alcohol yet |
| 10:03.49 | stoned | btw people don't forget |
| 10:03.50 | stoned | !ot |
| 10:03.51 | dpkg_ | from memory, ot is Off topic conversation belongs in #debian-offtopic please. We don't want the channel to get cluttered with off topic discussion so people who need help are not seen. |
| 10:03.54 | rpc | Tidus how about warm beer? :p |
| 10:03.58 | Tidus | ew. no |
| 10:04.01 | pink1 | bleugh !!!!! |
| 10:04.10 | pink1 | rat's pee |
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| 10:04.14 | rpc | ya |
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| 10:04.19 | pink1 | are we ot -- sorry |
| 10:04.28 | eldowan | Yeah, can someone give nikki a hand? |
| 10:04.32 | stoned | no I mean just take care not to ignore people looking for help while you chat |
| 10:04.44 | rpc | it's magic how the taste of beer changes with temp.. i time my beer always |
| 10:04.50 | pink1 | ok -- bring on the needy !! |
| 10:05.09 | eldowan | nikki can't get X to work on the external monitor on the laptop. |
| 10:05.10 | rpc | it needs exactly 85 minutes for ma fav brand to cool down - not more, no less |
| 10:05.15 | pink1 | not that I'm any use at helping - I usually ask the questions |
| 10:05.26 | eldowan | rpc: I bet that changes depending on what temp the beer is cooled to. |
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| 10:05.46 | pink1 | beer is overrated -- now guinness -- that's a *real* drink :-D |
| 10:05.47 | rpc | eldowan yes, that's why i use a timer |
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| 10:06.00 | rpc | same as with coke |
| 10:06.02 | eldowan | isn't it poland that the norm is to drink room temperature beer? |
| 10:06.11 | rpc | lmao eldowan |
| 10:06.14 | eldowan | rpc: you know coke is a powder, right? |
| 10:06.16 | Tidus | guinness extra stout is a good beer |
| 10:06.19 | pink1 | yea - room temp in Poland is around -5 |
| 10:06.20 | rpc | eldowan is it? |
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| 10:06.38 | rpc | lol pink1 |
| 10:06.41 | eldowan | rpc: yeah, white and fine. melts at like 80F |
| 10:06.47 | pink1 | eldowan: you're mixing your pharmaceuticals? |
| 10:06.53 | eldowan | rpc: you may also know it as nose candy |
| 10:06.54 | rpc | eldowan you joking |
| 10:06.54 | eldowan | :D |
| 10:06.56 | drako | -5 wtf |
| 10:06.59 | eldowan | cocaine, coke |
| 10:07.03 | rpc | lol |
| 10:07.07 | rpc | that you mean |
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| 10:07.19 | pink1 | coca cola originally contained coke |
| 10:07.25 | rpc | that's right |
| 10:07.26 | stoned | guys |
| 10:07.29 | eldowan | indeed it did. |
| 10:07.30 | rpc | and people loved that lol |
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| 10:07.40 | drako | still does, doesn't it? |
| 10:07.41 | pink1 | tehy were blitzed !! |
| 10:07.44 | eldowan | stoned: are you specifically leaving out the femailes in the channel? |
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| 10:07.51 | eldowan | s/femailes/females/ |
| 10:07.53 | pink1 | not in this country drako |
| 10:07.53 | rpc | drako no way... only caffeine and lots of it |
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| 10:08.15 | pink1 | enough caffeine to keep an elephant awake for a week |
| 10:08.21 | drako | yah |
| 10:08.22 | rpc | imagine those people drinking coke in the past, the one with cocaine :> |
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| 10:08.27 | drako | i can't drink it |
| 10:08.32 | rpc | refreshing, isn't it lol |
| 10:08.33 | drako | im too sensible to caffeine |
| 10:08.33 | stoned | for some odd reason, someone will find a way to blame me for all the drug discussions in debian |
| 10:08.40 | stoned | I'm trying to avoid that |
| 10:08.44 | Tidus | yeah... look at your name lol |
| 10:08.51 | karsten | stoned: You _could_ start by changing your nick. |
| 10:08.53 | rpc | lol |
| 10:08.57 | stoned | karsten: no can do |
| 10:09.07 | rpc | stoned with your nick there is no need to discuss anything :> |
| 10:09.08 | karsten | stoned: Sucks to be you. |
| 10:09.09 | drako | drugs kill ur brain... |
| 10:09.18 | drako | thats why i have half brain dead. |
| 10:09.19 | stoned | karsten: not at all.. its rocks to be me |
| 10:09.22 | eldowan | drako: and too much oxygen will kill you |
| 10:09.42 | rpc | eldowan literally yes, that's hyperventilation |
| 10:09.47 | stoned | I don't do drugs.. I don't even smoke cigs |
| 10:09.49 | pink1 | drako: half brain dead or half dead brain? |
| 10:09.54 | rpc | or whatever is that named... |
| 10:10.09 | rpc | stoned that's the way it should be, same here |
| 10:10.14 | Emmanuel_Chanel | stoned: When will etch get stable? Asking a Japanese IRC channel, one introduced Etch's test. |
| 10:10.15 | drako | pink1, dunno |
| 10:10.19 | rpc | and i don't even drink coffee... perhaps once a month or twice |
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| 10:10.21 | pink1 | but i breath fire sometimes |
| 10:10.24 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: when its ready |
| 10:10.26 | karsten | ... but only at high temperatures with insufficient oxidant. |
| 10:10.29 | Emmanuel_Chanel | http://ramblingfoo.blogspot.com/2007/01/pppoe-testers-needed-ppp-udeb-take-2.html |
| 10:10.33 | stoned | Emmanuel_Chanel: we don't know the release date |
| 10:10.38 | eldowan | Emmanuel_Chanel: /msg wwer |
| 10:10.39 | stoned | !wir |
| 10:10.40 | dpkg_ | from memory, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 10:10.58 | eldowan | karsten: vapor? |
| 10:11.01 | Emmanuel_Chanel | !wer |
| 10:11.29 | tarzeau | Emmanuel_Chanel: the bug curve is an indicator http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
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| 10:12.21 | stoned | !rc |
| 10:12.21 | eldowan | Emmanuel_Chanel: I've been told that etch is frozen and currently is only waiting for bugs to be worked out. |
| 10:12.22 | dpkg_ | i guess rc is Release-critical, or Release Candidate |
| 10:12.37 | eldowan | rc-cola, mmmmmmm mmmmmmmmm good |
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| 10:12.42 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Good. |
| 10:12.46 | stoned | spin cola |
| 10:13.07 | stoned | jolt was nice. faygo has awesome flavors |
| 10:13.11 | pink1 | eldowan: cola schmola - grow up and drink pepsi |
| 10:13.12 | eldowan | I was just thinking of jolt. Mind thief! |
| 10:13.13 | rpc | jolt... that's a tone of caffeine man |
| 10:13.15 | karsten | There's nothing like the smell of frozen etch in the morning. </apocalypsenow> |
| 10:13.29 | eldowan | pink1: pepsi schmepsi |
| 10:13.39 | rpc | one jolt = 3-4 cups of strong coffee |
| 10:13.41 | pink1 | eldowan: :-p |
| 10:13.51 | rpc | karsten lmao |
| 10:13.59 | eldowan | rpc: jolt was my first way to stay up 24 hours reading a good book. |
| 10:13.59 | pink1 | nothing a good shot of vodka won;t fix |
| 10:14.00 | craigevil | everything is frozen here Saturday night its supposed to be -5 F |
| 10:14.07 | rpc | eldowan he he |
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| 10:14.24 | pink1 | craigevil: where the f*** are you -- the north pole??? |
| 10:14.29 | eldowan | craigevil: I don't think it will drop below 40F here. :D |
| 10:14.41 | eldowan | stoned: how is it up there? |
| 10:14.42 | craigevil | no Michigan there is a big cold front coming through this weekend |
| 10:14.46 | pink1 | it's around 60F here :D |
| 10:14.54 | stoned | freezing |
| 10:14.59 | stoned | its snowing outside |
| 10:15.02 | rpc | wish i was in australia now |
| 10:15.03 | stoned | roads are all iced up |
| 10:15.11 | stoned | I have not eated in 2 days cuz I have no food in the house |
| 10:15.16 | stoned | roads are too dangerous |
| 10:15.16 | craigevil | Current weather for Kalamazoo, Kalamazoo / Battle Creek International Airport : Light Snow, Overcast clouds at 2100 feet, Temperature: 18°F, Pressure: 29.67" Hg, Wind: 9 MPH SW |
| 10:15.17 | stoned | :( |
| 10:15.26 | craigevil | not bad right now |
| 10:15.27 | drako | stoned, where? |
| 10:15.29 | pink1 | rpc: I'm next to Oz -- NZ ;-) |
| 10:15.33 | pngwn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:16.23 | rpc | stoned you serious? |
| 10:16.30 | rpc | pink1 oh damn it, are you? |
| 10:16.31 | pink1 | :-D |
| 10:16.46 | eldowan | stoned: munch your carpet. |
| 10:16.52 | drako | its 27C here |
| 10:17.01 | rpc | pink1 i was about to mention NZ... "australia OR new zealand" |
| 10:17.10 | pink1 | sitting in my shorts and tee-shirt at night here |
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| 10:17.17 | stoned | eldowan: I wish I could.. but soon I will |
| 10:17.17 | rpc | damn you |
| 10:17.18 | rpc | i'm moving there, wish it was possible |
| 10:17.18 | stoned | eldowan: *I think she shaves* |
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| 10:17.19 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 10:17.20 | pink1 | damn me indeed -- and bring on the coca cola !!! |
| 10:17.20 | eldowan | stoned: :D |
| 10:17.20 | rpc | pink1 what are the costs of living like in NZ? |
| 10:17.20 | pink1 | shave the carpet before you fry it stoned |
| 10:17.20 | drako | i got bad date to travel to europe, parting in 2 weeks.... |
| 10:17.21 | pink1 | nothing worse than a hairy fry-up |
| 10:17.21 | rpc | lmao @ carpet |
| 10:17.22 | drako | and im used to 26C~32C |
| 10:17.31 | pink1 | drako: me too |
| 10:17.39 | pink1 | anything less than that and i die |
| 10:17.52 | stoned | if I open my window a crack.. and put my case, opened, right by it, I can get another 250-300MHZ OC |
| 10:18.06 | stoned | northbridge stays cool enough past 500fsb on this board |
| 10:18.11 | rpc | lmao |
| 10:18.13 | stoned | only with the window on |
| 10:18.14 | stoned | lol |
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| 10:18.20 | stoned | and 20F air |
| 10:18.21 | stoned | lol |
| 10:18.34 | eldowan | stoned: :D nice |
| 10:18.46 | pink1 | sheesh all this coldness is making me feel chilly here in 20C |
| 10:18.56 | drako | stoned, where do you live? |
| 10:19.01 | stoned | alaska |
| 10:19.01 | eldowan | s/doe/die/ |
| 10:19.05 | drako | oh |
| 10:19.06 | rpc | <craigevil> no Michigan there is a big cold front coming through this weekend <---now imagine overclocking spree in there ;) windows wide open ;) |
| 10:19.14 | stoned | im just kiddin man |
| 10:19.14 | drako | thats almost north pole :P |
| 10:19.15 | eldowan | drako: then he's movint go Onalaska |
| 10:19.19 | stoned | I'm in oklahoma |
| 10:19.20 | stoned | lol |
| 10:19.25 | drako | oh |
| 10:19.28 | drako | USA |
| 10:19.34 | pink1 | oklacolda? |
| 10:19.38 | eldowan | heh |
| 10:19.39 | stoned | hahaha |
| 10:19.42 | craigevil | i wish, all my windows open vertically, if they opened horizontally it would be nice |
| 10:19.44 | pink1 | or is it oklacola??? |
| 10:19.48 | rpc | he he |
| 10:19.56 | eldowan | cokelacola |
| 10:20.00 | rpc | oklacoca |
| 10:20.23 | eldowan | rpc: nice meeting you. I enjoyed it. |
| 10:20.29 | rpc | right, someone please let me know if this is #debian still or... |
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| 10:20.36 | rpc | eldowan same |
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| 10:20.39 | eldowan | stoned: take it easy, remind me to grab those samples for you tomorrow |
| 10:20.40 | jetscreamer | no it's not |
| 10:20.46 | aidehua | What controls the rotation of /var/log/syslog ? |
| 10:20.51 | stoned | eldowan: word.. take 'er easy too |
| 10:20.54 | rpc | aidehua thanks :) |
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| 10:21.08 | cahoot | aidehua: logrotate |
| 10:21.08 | eldowan | aah, a parting question |
| 10:21.10 | stoned | I think I'll go watch the Big Lebowski |
| 10:21.11 | pink1 | aidehua: usually a cron job - I think |
| 10:21.18 | jetscreamer | this is #naibed |
| 10:21.24 | cydork | !blame stoned |
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| 10:21.26 | pink1 | cahoot: ok -- |
| 10:21.29 | stoned | no |
| 10:21.33 | stoned | don't blame stoned :( |
| 10:22.06 | eldowan | cydork: it was my fault more than his, honestly |
| 10:22.17 | eldowan | cydork: he actually made please to stop it a few times |
| 10:22.35 | eldowan | what is the difference between the commands ls and dir? they are the same size on my etch install, but diff shows them to be different. The man pages look identical to me, with identical options and explanations |
| 10:22.49 | aidehua | How do I configure my syslog to be kept for longer? |
| 10:22.53 | stoned | eldowan: now you've made me curious |
| 10:22.57 | eldowan | different md5sums, file, stat, and mc show them to be seperate entities |
| 10:23.06 | hark | they differ in their output |
| 10:23.08 | eldowan | stoned: let me know your findings. |
| 10:23.24 | stoned | eldowan: will do |
| 10:23.25 | eldowan | hark: why not just a switch and an alias or symlink? |
| 10:23.31 | cydork | eldowan: check info pages.. ? |
| 10:23.49 | eldowan | cydork: reverts to manpages |
| 10:24.22 | rpc | eldowan in fact, that was hell of a question... |
| 10:24.44 | rpc | ls --help and dir --help look just same too |
| 10:24.45 | aidehua | cahoot: you are wrong. |
| 10:24.51 | eldowan | and why is there no manpage or info page for disown? I don't know what the hell it does. No documentation, and the --help line suck |
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| 10:24.57 | aidehua | cahoot: FYI, it's cron.daily/sysklogd |
| 10:25.40 | hark | eldowan: there's vdir too |
| 10:25.41 | stoned | eldowan: get the code, see what it does, write a manpage |
| 10:26.07 | eldowan | stoned:p bah, i'm no programmer, I just play one on TV |
| 10:26.14 | stoned | lol |
| 10:26.15 | cahoot | aidehua: I see - good |
| 10:26.40 | drako | How can I suspend my laptop? |
| 10:26.47 | stoned | acpi |
| 10:26.47 | eldowan | another question, why doesn't the etch netinsall have fsck? |
| 10:26.49 | stoned | ? |
| 10:26.59 | drako | stoned, whats the command? |
| 10:27.09 | eldowan | drako: you can suspend you laptop in a hammock |
| 10:27.16 | hron|work | people, why dpkg is so silent today? :) it does't answer my question "no public key"... :( |
| 10:27.24 | eldowan | !no publick key |
| 10:27.27 | eldowan | !etch key |
| 10:27.27 | dpkg_ | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 10:27.29 | pink1 | drako: it depends on the laptop - mine suspends when I close the lid |
| 10:27.34 | stoned | drako: no clue, never try to make my lappy sleep |
| 10:27.35 | hron|work | thanks! |
| 10:27.44 | eldowan | dammit, I'm still here |
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| 10:27.57 | drako | pink1, how i make sure mine does? |
| 10:27.58 | cydork | eldowan: http://www.gnu.org/software/fileutils/doc/manual/html/fileutils.html#dir%20invocation |
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| 10:28.47 | pink1 | drako: not sure - mine work "out of the box" |
| 10:28.49 | eldowan | cydork: thanks for the link. but it begs the question of why is dir not an alias for ls? then the space the binary takes up would be saved. |
| 10:28.51 | craigevil | eldowan disown is in the Bash_Builtins |
| 10:29.02 | jetscreamer | the factoids were streamlined again |
| 10:29.08 | stoned | eldowan: to have your question answered email the dev and ask him why he chose to write a seperate software |
| 10:29.08 | pink1 | drako: I think it depends on the BIOS |
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| 10:29.30 | eldowan | stoned: I'm trying to keep the channel on topic. work with me man! |
| 10:29.35 | jetscreamer | kruft was culled |
| 10:30.00 | stoned | eldowan: so am I mate |
| 10:30.07 | cydork | eldowan: ask the devs :P |
| 10:30.11 | aidehua | I wish the #debian old-timers would come back. |
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| 10:30.29 | pink1 | how old? |
| 10:30.40 | eldowan | shouldn't the topic be updated to reflect 'no public key' is gone? |
| 10:30.57 | pink1 | aidehua: do I count? -- I'm 60 :-p |
| 10:31.02 | eldowan | aidehua: I havent been blessed with the old timers, though I have been told this is from them. |
| 10:31.03 | eldowan | !alot |
| 10:31.04 | dpkg_ | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 10:31.16 | stoned | lol |
| 10:31.27 | rpc | right.. here comes a lame question: can someone please tell me in simple words how to attach to a remote X session from windows host? |
| 10:31.37 | aidehua | pink1: I didn't mean as in age as such :) |
| 10:31.37 | petemc | correcting spelling and grammar on irc is a fairly pointless exercise |
| 10:31.37 | stoned | !sshx |
| 10:31.38 | dpkg_ | extra, extra, read all about it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 10:31.45 | stoned | configure your Xserver |
| 10:31.49 | stoned | then download putty.exe |
| 10:31.51 | pink1 | aidehua: :'( |
| 10:31.54 | stoned | then come back and i'll tell you how |
| 10:31.55 | rpc | stoned oh wow that was fast |
| 10:32.01 | aidehua | pink1: Just wondering where greycat and simonrvn were these days. |
| 10:32.10 | eldowan | !lastseen greycat |
| 10:32.10 | aidehua | Actually, I see greycat in another channel quite a bit now. |
| 10:32.19 | eldowan | !seen greycat |
| 10:32.20 | dpkg_ | greycat <i=rfc1413@wooledge.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian-bots, 51d 16h 31m 48s ago, saying: 'dpkg: factstats author'. |
| 10:32.23 | rpc | stoned just one more question - do i need to run X physically on a remote host? or is it possible to have it "headless"? |
| 10:32.55 | hark | eldowan: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=43311 |
| 10:32.57 | stoned | rpc: if you going to access your linux box through windows, you need to run an X server on the windows box, and connect your clients to it from linux using ssh -X |
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| 10:33.20 | rpc | stoned ok, now i get the general idea and am ready to do what you told me to do :) |
| 10:33.29 | stoned | rpc: google for Xming |
| 10:33.40 | hark | eldowan: and http://xray.sai.msu.ru/~lisett/Make/standards.html#TOC15 |
| 10:33.47 | stoned | its a fairly easy to use cygwin based Xserver port which does not require cygwin |
| 10:33.50 | rpc | stoned mhm ok |
| 10:34.25 | eldowan | stoned: look at the url hark posted. |
| 10:34.39 | stoned | rpc: you can run Xming on windows.. then use putty.exe to ssh into your linux box, enable X11Forwarding in linux, and in putty.exe and then start an X application in bash and it will pop up on windows |
| 10:34.39 | eldowan | hark: that about says it. Thanks for the leg-work |
| 10:35.20 | IC__ | i have question |
| 10:35.23 | IC__ | hello |
| 10:35.29 | IC__ | i need to create group in linux |
| 10:35.30 | drako | rpc, vnc? |
| 10:35.30 | aidehua | Has "dpkg_" crashed? |
| 10:35.33 | IC__ | and add 3 users to this group |
| 10:35.35 | IC__ | how ? |
| 10:35.39 | rpc | stoned that sounds quite easy but perhaps it would be even better to use my virtual debian on the laptop to connect to ssh? i would like something that really works good and looks good |
| 10:35.41 | eldowan | !test |
| 10:35.42 | dpkg_ | Test Failed. |
| 10:35.48 | eldowan | aidehua: doesn't look like it |
| 10:35.56 | rpc | stoned so i can see a remote X just like it was my local one |
| 10:36.02 | aidehua | eldowan: she won't talk to me in a /query |
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| 10:36.06 | stoned | rpc: read docs for all things I've mentioned |
| 10:36.17 | rpc | stoned right, some theory first |
| 10:36.17 | eldowan | aidehua: same here |
| 10:36.18 | stoned | rpc: all will be answered. Come back if you still have questions |
| 10:36.26 | aidehua | IC__: read the "addgroup" man page. |
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| 10:36.29 | rpc | thanks alot, that sounds fair |
| 10:36.33 | cydork | aidehua: dpkg_ cant send private message. coz it's not registerd. |
| 10:36.34 | stoned | sure |
| 10:37.06 | drako | aidehua, set your nick to unfiltered |
| 10:37.09 | stoned | rpc: or... |
| 10:37.23 | cydork | aidehua: notice the tail. dpkg is but dpkg_ is not! |
| 10:37.30 | eldowan | !beer hark |
| 10:37.34 | aidehua | drako: how on earth to I do that :) |
| 10:37.34 | eldowan | !prize hark |
| 10:37.41 | stoned | rpc: you can install a display manager and export your entire X session through XDMCP |
| 10:37.45 | drako | aidehua, /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 10:37.50 | eldowan | hark: now I can rest easy tonight. :D thanks |
| 10:37.57 | hark | heh, np |
| 10:38.00 | aidehua | drako: Brilliant: thanks :) |
| 10:38.00 | IC__ | and where is list of all group in the system ? |
| 10:38.05 | stoned | rpc: with esound for windows, and your linux apps output sound to esd, you can have sound as well fairly quickly |
| 10:38.14 | stoned | rpc: unless you're anal about NAS or polyp |
| 10:38.15 | stoned | etc. |
| 10:38.17 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:38.25 | IC__ | ok |
| 10:38.32 | eldowan | IC__: I was wrong |
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| 10:39.02 | rpc | stoned this is simply amasing, can't wait to read up on everything and understand some more |
| 10:39.15 | stoned | dondelelcaro: dpkg is doinked |
| 10:39.41 | aidehua | IC__: in most cases, it is in /etc/group |
| 10:40.15 | aidehua | IC__: but don't rely on that being the case! Using the adduser / addgroup tools is the best way to manage users and groups. |
| 10:40.20 | karsten | stoned: I suspect he's asleep. |
| 10:40.32 | sussudio | %do stoned |
| 10:40.45 | stoned | rpc: esd/esound server runs on windows... again another cygwin based port not requiring cygwin anyway |
| 10:40.59 | rpc | mhm |
| 10:41.04 | stoned | karsten: of course... but he will see a highlight in the morning |
| 10:41.13 | karsten | stoned: Point |
| 10:41.16 | karsten | stoned: Or /msg him. |
| 10:41.45 | IC__ | can i save /etc/group ? |
| 10:41.49 | IC__ | if i edited it ? |
| 10:42.10 | aidehua | IC__: do you know what Unix permissions are? |
| 10:42.20 | IC__ | yes :-) |
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| 10:42.24 | IC__ | but can i dmage the system ? |
| 10:42.32 | aidehua | IC__: yes |
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| 10:43.07 | pink1 | IC__: why edit the file - -just create or delete groups in the usual way |
| 10:43.12 | aidehua | IC__: use a tool that isn't going to let you break the system. |
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| 10:44.17 | IC__ | yes |
| 10:44.20 | IC__ | okay |
| 10:44.23 | IC__ | i need next item |
| 10:44.32 | IC__ | there is USER:x:number of group |
| 10:44.33 | pink1 | IC__: newgrp et seq... |
| 10:44.35 | IC__ | how i can add user to group |
| 10:44.37 | IC__ | ? |
| 10:44.51 | pink1 | IC__: man group |
| 10:45.13 | k-man | does growisofs automaticaly blank a dvd-rw if it needs to to burn the files? |
| 10:45.23 | pink1 | IC__: man useradd |
| 10:46.02 | IC__ | yes |
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| 10:46.32 | aidehua | No! Not useradd! |
| 10:46.42 | aidehua | Debian provides much nicer tools in the form of adduser and addgroup! |
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| 10:46.50 | IC__ | where is number of group ? |
| 10:47.15 | pink1 | IC__: read them all groupadd, groupdel, groupmod, userdel, usermod |
| 10:47.22 | aidehua | IC__: what are you *actually* trying to do? Why are you caring about the number of the group? |
| 10:47.22 | IC__ | ah okay |
| 10:47.23 | IC__ | sorry |
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| 10:48.46 | aidehua | IC__: and are you using Debian or Gentoo? |
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| 11:00.22 | santibiotico | hi |
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| 11:01.24 | santibiotico | i want to use a debian box as a router....i'm using etch...and i've enabled ip forwarding |
| 11:01.40 | santibiotico | i'm thinking i should enable nat |
| 11:01.50 | santibiotico | but i don't know how to do it |
| 11:01.57 | santibiotico | anyone helping me? |
| 11:02.38 | vaq | www.google.com will help you on how to use Debian as a router |
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| 11:04.52 | cydork | santibiotico: take a look at ipmasq package. |
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| 11:06.50 | streuner | !info ipmasq |
| 11:06.54 | dpkg_ | ipmasq: (securely initializes IP Masquerade forwarding/firewalling), section net, is extra. Version: 4.0.8-2 (sid), Packaged size: 78 kB, Installed size: 612 kB |
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| 11:07.06 | streuner | apt-get install ipmasq, debian as router, done :-) |
| 11:07.06 | ma3x | when are the packages from http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html gonna be available? |
| 11:08.07 | cydork | ma3x: they are available! |
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| 11:09.33 | Phil2 | does anyone know how to get Debian to execute a command after showing the motd on each ssh login? |
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| 11:11.17 | cydork | Phil2: .bashrc |
| 11:11.20 | ma3x | cydork: they're not ( look at libtorrent ) it says version 0.11.1-1 but only version 0.10.4-1 is available |
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| 11:13.13 | cydork | ma3x: etch is freezed, so those packages are available but in unstable (and in some cases experimental) |
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| 11:13.47 | ma3x | cyberdo: i am using unstable, they're not available |
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| 11:14.29 | Phil2 | cydork: I was really looking for the entire server as opposed to just a single user |
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| 11:18.20 | larsl | Does the version of Kopete in Debian support V4L2 webcams? |
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| 11:18.58 | Phil2 | cydork: nevermind, got it. Thanks for the help :) |
| 11:19.22 | Guerin | larsl: doubtful. |
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| 11:20.47 | larsl | Guerin: Are there any MSN clients that do? |
| 11:21.15 | fantomas | Hi. What is the name of that cool proggy which does autopartitioning in installation wizard? |
| 11:22.33 | Guerin | larsl: gaim-vv might. The point isn't so much whether they support the device as whether they support the broken fucked-up mangulation of the h.323 protocol MSN uses |
| 11:22.52 | Guerin | fantomas: parted, i think |
| 11:23.04 | larsl | Is gaim-vv in Debian? |
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| 11:23.32 | Guerin | !tell larsl about search |
| 11:23.58 | larsl | An apt-cache search for 'gaim' didn't show it. |
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| 11:24.17 | Guerin | then you have your answer |
| 11:25.07 | fantomas | larsl: you can also try apt-file search gaim |
| 11:25.14 | fantomas | larsl: but its not in repo afaik |
| 11:25.38 | Guerin | gaim-vv was intended to be merged back into the gaim project at some point |
| 11:25.41 | Guerin | maybe it has been |
| 11:26.12 | fantomas | Guerin: well, maybe it is. Actually I meant a frontend which calculates partition sizes. I need it currently. Like their defaults. |
| 11:26.32 | Guerin | fantomas: mm, dunno :) |
| 11:27.09 | larsl | Guerin: It looks like it was dropped completely in favour of some Google Talk audio-only approach. |
| 11:27.58 | Guerin | larsl: typical. Tell your eejit windows-usinf friends to use netmeeting, and you can use gnomemeeting/ekiga to cyber with them |
| 11:28.48 | larsl | Tried that, they're not that interested in switching. |
| 11:28.49 | Guerin | fantomas: /boot 100M / 5G /usr 5G /var 5G /tmp 5G /home whatever's left |
| 11:29.05 | Guerin | larsl: i guess you get to cyber with yourself then |
| 11:29.15 | larsl | I guess I'll have to wait for the Kopete webcam support to get cleaned up, it looks promising. |
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| 11:29.43 | fantomas | Guerin: thats what I was want to know: the rest is for /home. Ok, thanks. |
| 11:29.48 | fantomas | s/was// |
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| 11:30.11 | Guerin | fantomas: i'd probably chop /home up into several partitions, just as a contingency |
| 11:30.16 | Guerin | but that's just me |
| 11:30.51 | daedalus_ | Guerin? Why on earth would you do that? |
| 11:32.28 | daedalus_ | any scenario where you're actually going to dent ~200 appreciably is one where you can have very large groups of data (possibly rapid-growth a-la mythtv, bittorrent, movies, etc) |
| 11:32.48 | daedalus_ | Chopping it up would only cause headaches. |
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| 11:33.33 | fantomas | Chopping is evil. Everytime I swear I won't slipt disk and evertime I somehow do this, hating myself later... |
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| 11:33.55 | aidehua | fantomas: do you know how to use LVM? |
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| 11:34.12 | fantomas | aidehua: never used it. I afraid it on this reason |
| 11:34.19 | Phil2 | anyone know how to do non-greedy matches with grep's regexp param? |
| 11:34.29 | debbibe | is it a good idea, to make a Linux server from XBOX as PDC |
| 11:34.38 | loesje | can somebody help me with my resolution? cannot change it in 1024 |
| 11:34.47 | fantomas | aidehua: is it good? or rather what is it good for? :) |
| 11:34.56 | aidehua | Phil2: use egrep and then the "?" modifier. |
| 11:35.02 | Phil2 | ahs |
| 11:35.03 | Phil2 | ok |
| 11:35.03 | Phil2 | ty |
| 11:35.22 | ctp | hi folks. how to find out which options were compiled into the linux-kernel-2.6.18-3 image installed by .deb? |
| 11:35.35 | daedalus_ | debbibe: there's typically not that much space on an xbox. You can do it. It mostly depends upon what you want to do with it. |
| 11:36.32 | fantomas | ctp: all which you could potentially want :) (sry for flood) |
| 11:36.35 | Phil2 | aidehua: like this: uptime | egrep -o --regexp='[0-9]+ days\, [0-9]* .+?\,' |
| 11:36.35 | loesje | can somebody helps? |
| 11:36.36 | aidehua | fantomas: it's a layer-of-abstraction between your physical storage devices and your logical needs. |
| 11:36.39 | Phil2 | since that doesn't seem to work |
| 11:36.57 | daedalus_ | ctp: iirc, apt-get your kernel source, then look at .config in /usr/src/<kernelsrc> |
| 11:37.47 | aidehua | Phil2: what are you actually trying to do? |
| 11:37.55 | fantomas | aidehua: how it behaves in case of faults? Is it safe enough to place root/boot there? And is it tested enough? |
| 11:38.15 | fantomas | !LVM |
| 11:38.15 | dpkg_ | lvm is, like, at http://www.sistina.com/products_lvm.htm, Logical Volume Manager for Linux, or ask me about lvm_tutorial, or extremely sexy. almost as sexy as Theo |
| 11:38.16 | Phil2 | the output of the uptime command is: " 11:37:54 up 61 days, 41 min, 2 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00" |
| 11:38.32 | Phil2 | I want to take "61 days, 41 min" from it |
| 11:38.42 | aidehua | fantomas: Yes, it is tested enough. Keeping "/" on a normal partition is a good idea though, just for making recovery saner. |
| 11:39.07 | ctp | daedalus_: there not a .config file in the sources. i think it's created running make menuxonfig first time. |
| 11:39.27 | daedalus_ | ctp: well that's lame. |
| 11:39.31 | daedalus_ | And not useful |
| 11:40.06 | fantomas | ctp: /boot/config-2.6.18-3 |
| 11:40.19 | ctp | fantomas: great. there is one, thx |
| 11:40.23 | fantomas | :) |
| 11:40.48 | aidehua | Phil2: ugh! |
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| 11:41.00 | aidehua | Phil2: why on *earth* would you want to do that?! |
| 11:41.08 | aidehua | Phil2: can't you get the uptime out of /proc or something? |
| 11:41.09 | Phil2 | I have my reasons ;) |
| 11:41.12 | aidehua | /proc/stat ? |
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| 11:41.42 | aidehua | /proc/uptime, even |
| 11:41.58 | Phil2 | 5273126.31 4957815.28 |
| 11:42.00 | Phil2 | o.0 |
| 11:42.01 | daedalus_ | fantomas: beat me to it |
| 11:42.06 | Phil2 | what do those 2 numbers represent? |
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| 11:42.31 | fantomas | daedalus_: huh? |
| 11:42.47 | daedalus_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:42.55 | daedalus_ | You beat me by a lot |
| 11:42.55 | fantomas | daedalus_: you mean yout nice recommendations? :) |
| 11:42.58 | fantomas | daedalus_: :) |
| 11:43.27 | aidehua | Phil2: man proc |
| 11:43.43 | aidehua | Phil2: the first one is uptime |
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| 11:44.00 | Phil2 | in seconds I would assume? |
| 11:44.01 | fantomas | daedalus_: well, getting sources is good idea anyway, since Documentation dir has many useful things |
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| 11:45.01 | daedalus_ | The /proc/uptime file contains the length of time since the system was booted, as well as the amount of time since then that the system has been idle. |
| 11:45.34 | aidehua | Phil2: given that man proc says "This file contains two numbers: the uptime of the system (seconds)", I would probably hazard a guess that the first number is the uptime in seconds. |
| 11:45.47 | aidehua | Phil2: but I'm just guessing there. |
| 11:45.48 | Phil2 | ok, thanks |
| 11:46.08 | Phil2 | if daedalus_ is correct, then you must be also |
| 11:46.14 | ctp | fantomas: not all options the 2.6.18-3 image are compiled in are useful. e.g. i run my / on a lvm volume, the image is compiled with lvm by loading the lvm module. so the kernel has no chance to activate my /. |
| 11:46.15 | Phil2 | since idle time cannot be more than uptime |
| 11:46.51 | daedalus_ | ctp: the mkinitrd should take care of that. |
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| 11:47.18 | aidehua | Phil2: or you could just read it in "man proc" like I told you to. |
| 11:47.23 | daedalus_ | though if you don't get it right, you need to have an older kernel on hand to bail to |
| 11:47.37 | ctp | daedalus_: ah, ok. |
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| 11:49.37 | daedalus_ | Phil2: I was very wary of updating my kernel for the reason you mentioned (soft-RAID on /) but the past several revs, everything has gone quite smoothly |
| 11:49.46 | Phil2 | :S |
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| 11:51.06 | fantomas | Phil2: it was for ctp |
| 11:51.06 | Phil2 | ok |
| 11:52.37 | fantomas | Hm, what could mean "peerless"? (I'm non english-native) |
| 11:53.13 | fantomas | like incredible? |
| 11:53.35 | amphi | 'without equal', perhaps |
| 11:54.50 | fantomas | dpkg having rest |
| 11:55.06 | fantomas | keeps silence |
| 11:55.56 | aidehua | fantomas: dpkg will only talk to you in private if you unfilter yourself on the freenode network. |
| 11:56.11 | aidehua | fantomas: /msg nickserv set unfiltered on |
| 11:58.01 | daedalus_ | fantomas: peerless... not having a partner... typically reffering to a configuration on a network where a machine has no other machines to talk to. |
| 11:58.55 | fantomas | aidehua: yes, thanks. Looks like dpkg is the phantom, while dpkg_ in not authorized :) |
| 11:59.37 | fantomas | daedalus_: you think that guy lost his partner? :) |
| 12:00.00 | fantomas | I mean: 14:51 -!- peerless [n=peerless@220-245-89-123.static.tpgi.com.au] has quit .. |
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| 12:12.49 | devin_ | can someone tell me if this fstab looks right? looks alil abnormal to me http://pastebin.com/873495 |
| 12:13.13 | devin_ | whats with the UUID = digits |
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| 12:14.09 | Personman | Hi, quite new user here, trying to install debian on a new partition of this icky but necessary windows machine. However, I'm worried that my files are too spread out on the disk right now - I'm running the windows defragmenter, but it's moving everything the middle, and leaving chunks at the edges. Will partitioning still work? |
| 12:14.40 | ma3x | can I ping using the UDP protocol? |
| 12:14.41 | Eclipser | your best bet would be to have unpartitioned space |
| 12:14.55 | Eclipser | partition magic and friends don't usually do such a good job |
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| 12:15.12 | Eclipser | I used partition magic a few times and everytime after a while the ntfs blew up |
| 12:15.40 | dromer | ouch |
| 12:15.43 | Personman | What does that mean exactly? You can't install a new OS without a new partition, can you? |
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| 12:16.03 | rpc | Personman if you want a good defragmenter get o&o defrag |
| 12:16.28 | Eclipser | Personman, you need to make a new partition for the linux one, yes |
| 12:16.38 | weissi | devin_, I'd say: correct |
| 12:16.55 | weissi | devin_, man fstab tells you what UUID= means... |
| 12:17.09 | Personman | right, so what does 'have unpartitioned space' mean? |
| 12:18.05 | Eclipser | Personman, from user point of view - space that can't be used without adding a new partition and putting some filesystem to it |
| 12:18.16 | Eclipser | unused disk |
| 12:18.33 | Personman | Ah. So dual booting from the same disk is a bad idea in general? |
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| 12:19.05 | Eclipser | Personman, not neccessarily, you just need to have at least one partition for each OS |
| 12:19.29 | weissi | devin_, how did you determine the UUIDs if you don't even know what they are? |
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| 12:20.02 | Eclipser | Personman, partition magic can decrease partition size but as I said, it might not do such a good job and the filesystem might blow up |
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| 12:21.00 | Personman | So what would you recommend? How should I go about getting another partition on my (somewhat cluttered) disk? |
| 12:21.48 | devin_ | weissi never seen them in fstab before im use to seeing something like /dev/hda3 / ext3 defaults,errors=remount-ro 0 1 |
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| 12:22.29 | Eclipser | Personman, if you can get a new disk for linux that'd be great - or if you can borrow some new disk to backup your stuff and reinstall everything from scratch on your disk |
| 12:22.42 | Eclipser | those are imo the best options :) |
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| 12:23.10 | weissi | devin_, I like these /dev/... more, but if you don't want to configure udev (or you don't even have it), you can use the UUIDs for mounting e.g. your usbstick always to /mnt/usbdisk. The device name doesn't matter anymore. |
| 12:23.51 | weissi | devin_, if you devicenames stay constant, use /dev/bla. If they change use udev or UUID=... |
| 12:23.54 | Personman | Yeah.. sadly, they're not really options. Is there any suboptimal but workable alternative? |
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| 12:25.31 | Eclipser | Personman, there might be some howtos for it on the internets but I wouldn't count on absolute data safety on the existing partition |
| 12:26.01 | Personman | Alright. Thanks much, Eclipser! |
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| 12:27.30 | devin_ | weissi ok well i need to mount this other hdd as my /home so do i need to use UUID= or can i simply just slip in /dev/hdb1 /home ext3 defaults 1 2 like i use to do |
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| 12:28.13 | weissi | devin_, you _NEVER_ need the UUIDs, you can ALWAYS use /dev/... aswell! |
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| 12:29.48 | PDani_ | hi |
| 12:30.46 | PDani_ | if i have a zone for sample.homedns.org (domains like foo.sample.homedns.org), how can i set the ip-address for sample.kstka.org domain in the db.kstka.homedns.org zone-file? |
| 12:30.50 | devin_ | weissi ok, i was just curious on why their there, this is a new install of kubuntu edgy that im testing and just thought it was odd, i guess because i never took the time to actually read the man page for fstab =/ |
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| 12:31.57 | weissi | devin_, :-) |
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| 12:33.44 | ma3x | hi I try to flush the iptables, and after reboot they are created again. is there a script or something doing this? |
| 12:34.10 | xand | ma3x: there must be. |
| 12:34.20 | xand | ma3x: is there anything in /etc/network/if-up.d/ ? |
| 12:34.26 | xand | or it could be many places :) |
| 12:34.52 | ma3x | xand: tell me some more places where it could be |
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| 12:35.41 | xand | cd /etc; grep -R iptables * |
| 12:35.42 | xand | c.c |
| 12:36.49 | ma3x | xand: I'd love to do that, but don't have grep |
| 12:37.03 | xand | what? |
| 12:37.15 | devin_ | don't have it? |
| 12:37.18 | dererk[work] | lol |
| 12:37.21 | xand | why not? |
| 12:37.40 | xand | don't expect to find it then :P |
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| 12:38.17 | dererk[work] | could anyone live without grep? :\ |
| 12:38.49 | ma3x | well I'm telneting to my router with root |
| 12:38.52 | ma3x | and it just doesnt have grep |
| 12:38.59 | weissi | dererk[work], without grep? ;-) debian would not work without grep! |
| 12:39.07 | devin_ | cd /brain | grep ma3x =P |
| 12:39.15 | xand | install it then... and don't use telnet! |
| 12:39.25 | weissi | ma3x, you HAVE grep!! |
| 12:39.45 | dererk[work] | weissi, I now, that's why I'm wondering.. :) |
| 12:39.53 | weissi | ma3x, what happens if you enter /bin/grep<return> |
| 12:40.02 | ma3x | wget: grep: Read-only file system |
| 12:40.16 | xand | apt-get install grep |
| 12:40.21 | ma3x | there is no /bin/grep |
| 12:40.27 | xand | is this a debian box? |
| 12:40.39 | ma3x | it's a linux box |
| 12:40.41 | xand | is this a debian box? |
| 12:40.54 | xand | if not, don't ask here |
| 12:40.58 | weissi | $ sudo dpkg -r grep\ndpkg: error processing grep (--remove):\nThis is an essential package - it should not be removed. |
| 12:41.08 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.08 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.08 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.08 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:41.08 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:41.13 | xand | twat |
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| 12:41.19 | ma3x | sorry for flood |
| 12:41.26 | xand | ma3x: please ask elsewhere. |
| 12:41.27 | ma3x | that's the built in commands that it has |
| 12:41.30 | ma3x | xand: like where? |
| 12:41.39 | xand | another channel |
| 12:41.44 | xand | #your-distro |
| 12:41.45 | ma3x | for example? |
| 12:41.54 | weissi | ma3x, this is not debian |
| 12:41.55 | xand | ##linux |
| 12:42.04 | xand | this channel is for debian help only |
| 12:42.11 | weissi | ma3x, newgrp ?? |
| 12:42.27 | ma3x | weissi: newsgroup? |
| 12:42.52 | weissi | ma3x, I ment the command newgrp, what does it do? perhaps it's grep |
| 12:43.02 | xand | it's nothing to do with grep |
| 12:43.12 | xand | newgrp - log in to a new group |
| 12:43.57 | weissi | ma3x, if not: `mount -t tmpfs tmpfs /mnt; ln -s /bin/busyboy /mnt/grep; export PATH="$PATH:/mnt"` then you should have grep. busybox can do it |
| 12:44.15 | weissi | ah ok, sorry |
| 12:44.19 | xand | please don't support non-debian distros here :P |
| 12:44.28 | ma3x | let me try it out |
| 12:44.31 | ma3x | xand ok sorry |
| 12:45.06 | ma3x | weissi: can I msg you? |
| 12:45.27 | weissi | ma3x, ok |
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| 13:03.01 | lovingyou | hello |
| 13:03.08 | lovingyou | ./configure: line 179: /dev/null: Permission denied |
| 13:03.10 | lovingyou | why ? |
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| 13:04.32 | dimir | :-D |
| 13:04.58 | dimir | lovingyou: wrong /dev/null permissions? |
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| 13:05.59 | vlt | Hello. Is there something i could plug into `mount -t nfs` that translates between two different encodings (ISO-8859-15 <-> UTF-8) like `smbmount` does? |
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| 13:07.36 | larsl | Are there packaged versions of the kdelibs with debugging enabled? I've found kdelibs-dbg, but those just seem to have the debugging symbols, not be built with debugging output turned on. |
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| 13:10.46 | abrotman | ask #debian-kde |
| 13:11.07 | weissi | vlt, I don't think so. which version of nfs (3 or 4) do you use? |
| 13:11.49 | weissi | vlt, I only know the program convmv, with which you can change filenames encoding... |
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| 13:15.36 | riqn | do anyone know if its possible to install rails 1.2.1 on a debian without using gems ? (then ofc using the debian package system) |
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| 13:19.09 | vlt | weissi: Thank you. `convmv`doesn't help here, it changes encoding permanently. |
| 13:19.23 | weissi | vlt, yep, I know... |
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| 13:21.31 | weissi | vlt, and you can't change "everything to UTF-8"?? |
| 13:22.12 | rpc | hmm what swapspace do you guys recommend for 2GB of ram? |
| 13:22.19 | rpc | 4GB? |
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| 13:23.20 | vlt | weissi: There are (still) some iso clients ... switching completely to UTF-8 would be a bigger project ... |
| 13:24.35 | weissi | vlt, I see... Thats true. |
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| 13:25.38 | enouf | rpc 2.5GB if you wanna condsider suspend to ram |
| 13:26.15 | rpc | so absolutely no need to use the old formula: swap = 2x ram? |
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| 13:26.21 | enouf | 4GB is whack unless you're editing movies and shit ,.. |
| 13:26.27 | enouf | no |
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| 13:26.45 | rpc | no, but extensive use of mysql might be happening though |
| 13:27.06 | enouf | that's not an issue .. per se .. can you add more RAM? |
| 13:27.33 | enouf | you don;t wnt shit happening in swap anyways .. it's a reserve |
| 13:28.19 | rpc | yes, i plan to add up to 8GB in sometime |
| 13:28.33 | rpc | so for now i will setup 2GB swap |
| 13:28.37 | Ebbs | Hi. Why my laptop battery only runs half the time windows runs with? (Sry, for the bad english) Windows: 3h Linux: 1h20mins... |
| 13:28.40 | enouf | rpc and how much HDD space? .. LVM? RAID? |
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| 13:29.06 | enouf | !tell Ebbs about cpufreq |
| 13:29.09 | rpc | that box is not yet up but once it's up it will be raid5 most likely, this is yet to be decided |
| 13:30.07 | rpc | i just don't know how to tweak it to get the most out of mysql |
| 13:30.27 | Ebbs | enouf, do you think, that this is the only reason? |
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| 13:30.50 | enouf | rpc: well plenty of swap won't hurt if you can easily spare the disk space .. and then since you plan to Add ram .. make it large enough .. you won't be doing suspend to RAM though .. yet you need as much swap as ram in order to ever get a full core mem dump (for debugging if you're into that) |
| 13:31.16 | enouf | Ebbs: if you're not "throttling" you're wasting battery .. |
| 13:31.29 | Ebbs | enouf, k thx! |
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| 13:35.05 | rpc | enouf hmm there will be quite alot of hd space so i could easily add an extra gig for swap |
| 13:35.14 | enouf | Ebbs: you likely want/need some pkgs like acpi, acpid, acpi-utils, and maybe other modules need loading like speedstep_centrino and such |
| 13:35.36 | enouf | rpc: righto |
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| 13:35.57 | rpc | but that won't lower the performance, will it? |
| 13:36.28 | enouf | no .. the performance lowers only when you run out of ram .. and slow HDDs and stuff |
| 13:36.34 | rpc | mhm |
| 13:36.48 | rpc | ok then i will make it 2.5GB ;) |
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| 13:37.05 | Ebbs | enouf, k |
| 13:37.19 | daedalus_ | rpc: swap is generally limited to >2gb I think. |
| 13:37.23 | enouf | rpc: the idea is to not use/hit swap at all .. "Unused ram is wasted Ram" and the linux kernel is great at managing it :-) |
| 13:37.33 | daedalus_ | err, less than |
| 13:38.02 | enouf | daedalus_: a swap partition can be as big as you like |
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| 13:39.03 | enouf | rpc: consider a partition (not a swapfile) as most use .. and think LVM for easier resizing in the future |
| 13:40.09 | Ebbs | enouf, in my kernel configurations there is "performance governor" as default and "userspace governor" as module! Is this a problem? |
| 13:40.24 | riqn | do anyone know if its possible to install rails 1.2.1 on a debian without using gems ? (then ofc using the debian package system) |
| 13:40.48 | rpc | hmm swap problem solved |
| 13:40.53 | abrotman | daedalus_: no |
| 13:41.02 | abrotman | daedalus_: each partition is .. but you can have way more than 2GB |
| 13:41.16 | abrotman | riqn: there's a debian-ruby channel either here or on OFTC |
| 13:41.18 | rpc | there is a new idea - should i prepare a reiserfs partition? are there any benefits of using one? |
| 13:41.26 | rpc | with plenty of small files especially |
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| 13:41.38 | enouf | daedalus_: you must be thinking of a Fat32 limitation on legacy ms oses |
| 13:41.40 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 13:41.40 | dpkg | filesystem comparison is probably http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 13:41.54 | rpc | thank you abrotman |
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| 13:42.00 | daedalus_ | enouf: man mkswap: The maximum useful size of a swap area now depends on the architecture.rn It is roughly 2GiB on i386, PPC, m68k, ARM, 1GiB on sparc, 512MiB onrn mips, 128GiB on alpha and 3TiB on sparc64. |
| 13:42.20 | enouf | Ebbs: I don't know much more about it .. don't use lappys .. some ppl here know well .. hang around :-) |
| 13:42.52 | abrotman | you can have more than one swap partition |
| 13:43.01 | daedalus_ | Yes, you can have up to 32 |
| 13:43.14 | rpc | hmm |
| 13:43.35 | rpc | is there a good reason to have more than one swap? |
| 13:43.41 | abrotman | if you need it :) |
| 13:43.47 | daedalus_ | But the original point was that you can't make a bigass swap space |
| 13:43.50 | rpc | i don't know if i do yet :) |
| 13:43.58 | abrotman | rpc: how much RAM does the system have ? |
| 13:44.05 | daedalus_ | rpc: only if you need 8 gigs of pageable memory ;) |
| 13:44.06 | enouf | daedalus_: that info is old |
| 13:44.07 | rpc | 2GB |
| 13:44.11 | rpc | and soon 4GB |
| 13:44.22 | abrotman | rpc: unless oyu're working with massive data sets .. a single 2GB swap should be fine |
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| 13:44.26 | rpc | daedalus_ he he |
| 13:44.37 | rpc | abrotman mostly mysql planned there |
| 13:44.45 | rpc | but not much else |
| 13:44.55 | abrotman | rpc: well .. give it a few months .. your data will go *poof* .. and you won't have to worry about it :) |
| 13:45.01 | rpc | lol |
| 13:45.06 | rpc | how smart ;) |
| 13:45.07 | abrotman | rpc: how big do you anticipate the DBs to be ? |
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| 13:45.27 | rpc | not too big |
| 13:45.32 | daedalus_ | enouf: they reference 2.4.10. That's pretty recent as far as man pages go. Did 2.6 change the swapfile structure? |
| 13:45.33 | rpc | but the database will be used 24/7 |
| 13:45.48 | enouf | daedalus_: 2.6 changes everything |
| 13:45.50 | Ebbs | enouf, k thx, another question: when youre compiling your own kernel, do you make a deb archive and after that install the deb package, or do you handle it in another way? And if you do it that way, would you post plz the line, you would use: make-kpkg ... |
| 13:45.55 | rpc | do you mean "big" records-wise or physical file size? |
| 13:46.01 | abrotman | both :) |
| 13:46.03 | daedalus_ | enouf: of course. And WinXP changed everything.... |
| 13:46.36 | enouf | daedalus_: nah .. just more Poop flooding the worldd |
| 13:46.36 | rpc | well could be 100-200k records |
| 13:46.37 | rpc | nothing really *this* big |
| 13:46.51 | enouf | daedalus_: the 2.6 kerenl operates very differently than 2.4.x |
| 13:46.57 | Ebbs | dpkg lappys |
| 13:46.59 | abrotman | rpc: i'm sure 2GB will be fine .. |
| 13:47.02 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 13:47.02 | dpkg | laptop is, like, All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ For Thinkpads, see http://www.thinkwiki.org/ |
| 13:47.03 | rpc | ok! |
| 13:47.24 | enouf | the advent of /proc and /sys FSs just to even start scratching the surface |
| 13:47.59 | abrotman | rpc: or you can leave some unpartitioned space just in case |
| 13:48.02 | rpc | now i have a really funny prob - i'm not able to press F10 on a remote terminal |
| 13:48.04 | enouf | Ebbs: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
| 13:48.06 | rpc | hrhm |
| 13:48.23 | rpc | F2 works fine and damn F10 doesn't work |
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| 13:48.49 | rpc | abrotman hm good idea, i might leave some empty space in fact |
| 13:48.54 | enouf | Ebbs: /msg dpkg build-essential |
| 13:49.29 | enouf | !tell Ebbs about selftell |
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| 13:50.15 | enouf | Ebbs: are you understanding how to message the bot? |
| 13:50.47 | Ebbs | enouf, yes thx |
| 13:51.15 | enouf | Ebbs: in order to see what abrotman called the bot for about laptops .. type this into your irc client-> /msg dpkg laptop ,then hit enter |
| 13:51.18 | enouf | ok |
| 13:51.36 | vlt | Hello. Can anyone direct me to a good tutorial how to run/install Debian on m68k (Macintosh LC II)? |
| 13:51.38 | Ebbs | enouf, yes, yes |
| 13:52.15 | rpc | don't you happen to know how to exit mcedit in other way than by pressing F10? lol what a shitty problem |
| 13:52.18 | enouf | Ebbs: see those laptop sites and find your make/model ..if it's an ibm stinkpad, also see thinkwiki.org |
| 13:52.19 | azeem | vlt: ask in #debian-68k on irc.debian.org |
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| 13:52.30 | vlt | azeem: Thx |
| 13:52.34 | enouf | oh .. duh .. it's there .. |
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| 13:52.50 | Ebbs | enouf, and which way you handle it with the compiling a kernel, if not make-kpkg? |
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| 13:53.10 | enouf | Ebbs: stock debian kernels work great for me :-) |
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| 13:54.15 | enouf | Ebbs: many modules can be loaded just as such .. modules .. at boot time .. no need to have it all statically compiled into the kernel you know |
| 13:54.21 | daedalus_ | enouf: alright. So, mkswap isn't "outdated", it just has "official" numbers. Unofficially, (this is according to tldp), 2.4 has 64 spaces each of 64GB. They only gave one benchmark for 2.6 and that was with opterons. |
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| 13:54.49 | enouf | Ebbs: some things need to be in the initrd/initramfs .. but that's another story .. mostly RAID, and LVM stuff and such |
| 13:54.54 | daedalus_ | enouf: although, I haven't been able to convince mkswap that it can do more than 2GB, so it may be a moot point |
| 13:55.08 | Ilovemypuppy | how do I enable AcceptPathInfo in apache2 on deb? I can't find it in apache2.conf |
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| 13:55.30 | daedalus_ | Ilovemypuppy: add it? |
| 13:55.40 | Ebbs | enouf, what is your age, if im allowed to ask? |
| 13:56.00 | enouf | daedalus_: tldp.org is a bit dated too sadly .. but we'll see.. I haven't run any tests myself.. |
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| 13:56.08 | enouf | Ebbs: not important :-) |
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| 13:56.37 | enouf | I'm not a youngun though :-p |
| 13:57.03 | Ebbs | :-) |
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| 13:59.22 | Ebbs | enouf, because of the stock kernels: where do you download them? What would you recommend for debian/etch? |
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| 13:59.47 | enouf | Ebbs: uname -r says what? |
| 14:00.26 | Ebbs | 2.6.18.3 |
| 14:00.29 | enouf | !tell Ebbs -about apt howto |
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| 14:00.39 | enouf | Ebbs: you don't need a newer kernel |
| 14:01.19 | enouf | AFAIK .. that's very recent stable stuff |
| 14:01.36 | Ebbs | enouf, yes thats true, but I currently have installed a kernel-deb package compiled with gcc3.3... you see? |
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| 14:02.06 | enouf | Ebbs: the apt howto will tell you how apt-cache search <pkgname> and many other search terms can help find stuff |
| 14:02.12 | Ebbs | enouf, it works, but I should switch to another kernel |
| 14:02.14 | enouf | !tell Ebbs -about search |
| 14:02.25 | enouf | Ebbs: oh .. ugh |
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| 14:02.47 | enouf | Ebbs: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 14:02.52 | h3sp4wn | Ebbs: What do you need from the newer kernel ? newer hardware support (i.e acpi updates) ? preemption ? |
| 14:02.56 | Ebbs | enouf, you neednt to tell me all these things, most of it Im aware of! |
| 14:03.05 | enouf | Ebbs: ok .. ok |
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| 14:03.43 | silya | Hi all! Howto fix problem with named: FORMERR resolving 'somehost.com'? |
| 14:03.52 | Ebbs | h3sp4wn, I dont need a newer kernel, but one with gcc4.1 compiled modules and not gcc3.3 |
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| 14:04.26 | enouf | Ebbs: the latest Etch uses that .. and even my 2.6.16 was using 4.0 or 4.1 .. |
| 14:04.46 | Ebbs | enouf, I know, thx |
| 14:04.49 | enouf | (gcc version 4.0.4 20060630 (prerelease) |
| 14:06.25 | _Freedom0_ | pelase could someone help me about using tortoisecvs? |
| 14:06.38 | Ebbs | enouf, so I should do apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686-smp |
| 14:06.41 | Ebbs | ? |
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| 14:07.13 | enouf | Ebbs: Yes .. that should do it .. it's a meta pkg |
| 14:07.48 | Ebbs | enouf, thx for all, ive got to go! |
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| 14:08.30 | enouf | atleast transitional .. dunno exactly what you're dealing with .. maybe /msg dpkg sarge->etch upgrade .. did you get that Kernel from Backports? |
| 14:08.41 | sebas891 | hi, I have a little blank... any one remember the name of the software to build debian package from software that are not from debian source? |
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| 14:09.33 | h3sp4wn | sebas891: cdbs I would use - maybe you mean checkinstall (I wouldn't recommend that to anyone though) |
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| 14:10.11 | sebas891 | h3sp4wn: yes I think it this... checkinstall! why not recommend it? |
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| 14:11.16 | h3sp4wn | sebas891: Didn't work as I expected the time I did try to use it - and cdbs almost as easy to use |
| 14:11.54 | sebas891 | h3sp4wn: cdbs perform the same function as of checkinstall ? |
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| 14:12.34 | h3sp4wn | sebas891: It makes a deb but one that has the dependancies etc right |
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| 14:13.51 | sebas891 | h3sp4wn: sounds better but a bit more work to build right I imagine. thank you. I see what I can do with the 2 options. |
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| 14:14.02 | jduggan | do i have to pass any extra mkinitrd options if i want the root to be on md0? (thats currently where it is now) but do i have to change anything to make it md0 or does it use whats mounted root now by default? |
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| 14:15.39 | h3sp4wn | sebas891: if you install dh-make and cdbs - all it really entails is (if its a simple package) extract the source go into the directory and run dh_make -b --createorig |
| 14:16.23 | h3sp4wn | sebas891: Then you can either fill the dependancies in properly and build with pbuilder or just use debuild -uc -us (or dpkg-buildpackage) |
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| 14:27.18 | sebas891 | h3sp4wn: ok, thank you. |
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| 14:33.24 | dpy | hi guys |
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| 14:34.08 | dpy | if I want to make multiple .deb files from 1 source package, where do I write down which files go into what .deb file ? |
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| 14:35.38 | Eclipser | dpy, packagename.install files |
| 14:35.45 | Athas | I'm installing Debian Testing on a new machine. Should I use LVM? |
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| 14:38.10 | dpy | Eclipser: erm... let me see if I understand |
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| 14:45.52 | Eclipser | dpy, got it? :) |
| 14:46.15 | enouf | daedalus_: still there? found some info in /Documentation/proc.txt .. |
| 14:47.03 | enouf | For example, on a system with 1G of physical RAM and 7G of swap with a `vm.overcommit_ratio` of 30 it would yield a CommitLimit of 7.3G. |
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| 14:51.44 | a1fa | hello |
| 14:51.50 | a1fa | ~smp |
| 14:51.56 | apt | well, smp is (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing.. A feature of an SMP system is that it uses shared memory between all the processors, rather than each processor having its own unique ... |
| 14:51.57 | a1fa | i cant find the smp kernel package for etch |
| 14:52.11 | a1fa | anybody know whats the deelio? |
| 14:53.37 | petemc | a1fa: all kernels post 2.6.17 (i think) are smp |
| 14:54.27 | a1fa | ;) |
| 14:54.29 | a1fa | for show? |
| 14:54.36 | petemc | fo sho mofo |
| 14:54.55 | a1fa | thanks my jigga |
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| 14:54.59 | petemc | aiight |
| 14:55.21 | a1fa | that needs to say in the stupid transition package |
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| 14:55.47 | Danielss89 | hi, im trying to install profptd.. but i get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/337114 <-- what should i do?? its etch |
| 14:55.48 | dev_mem | Hi everbody, I'm managing a number of debian machiens that just increase and increase, more than 100... and maybe 300 in 1 year and I'm looking for a document on how to work with apt-get/dpkg in a more predictive way, without question poping up in ncurses, without interactive questions |
| 14:56.16 | a1fa | dev_mem echo y | apt-get update |
| 14:56.19 | dev_mem | danielss: add danielss89 into /etc/hosts |
| 14:56.31 | dev_mem | or use a real resolvable hostname |
| 14:56.45 | dev_mem | a1fa : that's not predictive |
| 14:56.50 | a1fa | dev_mem : i am kidding |
| 14:56.59 | dev_mem | I hope so :) |
| 14:57.01 | a1fa | dev_mem : you can set curses how granular you want it to be |
| 14:57.12 | a1fa | dev_mem : you can set it so it doesnt ask you any questions |
| 14:57.28 | dev_mem | how? I just look at debian doc and dpkg man pages |
| 14:57.36 | Danielss89 | dev_mem the problem is that im never asked to write a hostname |
| 14:58.09 | dev_mem | danielss89 : in debian install process... |
| 14:58.15 | Danielss89 | yes |
| 14:59.13 | Danielss89 | dev_mem the only thing im asked if it should be inetd or standalone |
| 14:59.40 | dev_mem | proftpd is looking to resolve the hostname you give to your debian host |
| 14:59.44 | dev_mem | it's in /etc/hostname |
| 14:59.56 | dev_mem | and proftpd try to get an numeric IP from this name |
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| 15:00.02 | dev_mem | which fail |
| 15:00.14 | Danielss89 | so what should i put in? |
| 15:00.33 | dev_mem | a real hostname, depending of your network and dns topology |
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| 15:00.56 | Danielss89 | okey, my hostname is potterskolen.dk but how do i tell proftpd that:D |
| 15:01.00 | dev_mem | or fake one by adding "$your_ip danielss89" in /etc/hosts |
| 15:01.20 | dev_mem | change /etc/hostname to 'pottersomething' |
| 15:01.22 | h3sp4wn | dev_mem: /msg dpkg debian clone (Maybe that will help you) |
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| 15:02.03 | dev_mem | and type "hostname pottersomething" in bash and retry to install proftpd |
| 15:02.30 | Danielss89 | dev_mem now i just get: Starting ftp server: proftpd - IPv6 getaddrinfo 'danielss89' error: Name or service not known |
| 15:02.45 | dev_mem | the file is read on boot time by debian startup process |
| 15:02.55 | dev_mem | use the hostname command to change it right now |
| 15:03.10 | Danielss89 | ... |
| 15:03.11 | h3sp4wn | Danielss89: That is explained somewhere in /usr/share/doc/proftpd/ |
| 15:03.17 | Danielss89 | oki |
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| 15:03.35 | a1fa | hey.. my mc looks funky over ssh.. what pckg do i need to get to fix that? |
| 15:03.44 | h3sp4wn | Danielss89: README.debian |
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| 15:04.17 | jelly | a1fa: should work if your TERM variable is set up properly |
| 15:04.27 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! |
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| 15:05.32 | a1fa | TERM=xterm |
| 15:05.56 | a1fa | there was a lib that you get that fixes this issue |
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| 15:06.05 | dev_mem | you may have a terminal emultrator that don't handle xterm well |
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| 15:06.52 | a1fa | putty |
| 15:06.53 | zoddan | anyone thats using ESX-Server? |
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| 15:07.33 | RvGaTe | I think i have an error in my dhcp setup, i can use the internet and access mounted shares perfectly, altho whenever i want to ping a host in the local network, it gives me "Destination Host Unreachable", after doing a "dhclient eth0" it all works fine again... something isn't right here, and i think its in the dhcp config, any ideas? |
| 15:07.56 | a1fa | RvGaTe : check your local routes |
| 15:08.00 | a1fa | netstat -rn |
| 15:08.15 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Hello! Someone knows where I can get FDD images for Debian installation? |
| 15:08.20 | RvGaTe | alfa: 0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 15:08.50 | Danielss89 | damnit:D |
| 15:10.32 | RvGaTe | alfa, i checked them... so what do i do? :S |
| 15:10.46 | Danielss89 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:10.47 | a1fa | you dont have a route for localnetwork |
| 15:10.55 | RvGaTe | alfa, the default gateway is set to 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:10.58 | a1fa | so? |
| 15:11.04 | a1fa | you still dont have a route for localnetwork |
| 15:11.29 | a1fa | add a local route for 192.168.1.0/24 via eth0 |
| 15:11.53 | a1fa | man route |
| 15:12.02 | a1fa | dhcp is supposed to do this for you |
| 15:12.09 | a1fa | unless you didnt set it up correctly |
| 15:12.34 | RvGaTe | alfa, just wondering, why would a dhclient eth0 fix this? and if that fixes it, why doesn't it fixes it on boot? isn't that the same request? |
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| 15:14.13 | skandaleras | Danielss89: look for a directory called modules-enabled and modules-available |
| 15:14.20 | Danielss89 | yes? |
| 15:14.32 | skandaleras | is there a php file inside the second one? |
| 15:14.49 | skandaleras | if there is, link this one from the -enabled directory |
| 15:14.56 | RvGaTe | alfa, what im trying to say is, its stupid to add it manually, this should be done by the dhcp, but its not doing it correctly, so im wondering what i'm missing here... |
| 15:15.02 | RvGaTe | alfa, let me grab my dhcp config |
| 15:15.03 | Danielss89 | theres is 2 php5.xxx files |
| 15:15.08 | Danielss89 | in the available |
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| 15:15.48 | skandaleras | Danielss89: link both X) |
| 15:15.52 | Danielss89 | how:D |
| 15:16.38 | skandaleras | one by one |
| 15:17.04 | jelly | what about a2enmod? |
| 15:17.08 | RvGaTe | alfa: ignore the <?php tags, they got added by the pastebin website: http://pastebin.ru/7420 |
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| 15:18.24 | Danielss89 | !link |
| 15:18.33 | Danielss89 | skandaleras but how do i link:D |
| 15:18.40 | Danielss89 | !tell link |
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| 15:20.17 | skandaleras | Danielss89: ahh! I'm sorry |
| 15:20.34 | skandaleras | what are the file names? |
| 15:20.52 | Danielss89 | php5.load |
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| 15:21.06 | Danielss89 | php5.conf |
| 15:21.07 | skandaleras | ln -s /etc/apache2/mods-available/[FILE_NAME] /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/[FILE_NAME] |
| 15:21.22 | skandaleras | replace [FILE_NAME] with the file names :) |
| 15:21.33 | jelly | skandaleras: why not use a2enmod? |
| 15:22.02 | skandaleras | Hmmm, I've never used a2enmod |
| 15:22.13 | skandaleras | anyway, create a link is not a hard task :) |
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| 15:23.20 | skandaleras | Danielss89: done? |
| 15:23.25 | Danielss89 | yes.. |
| 15:23.32 | Danielss89 | it seems like it cant find libphp5.so |
| 15:23.35 | skandaleras | ok, restart the apache daemon |
| 15:23.52 | Danielss89 | apache2: Syntax error on line 191 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Syntax error on line 1 of /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.load: Cannot load /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so into server: /usr/lib/apache2/modules/libphp5.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 15:24.16 | skandaleras | don't you have the php module for apache2? |
| 15:24.30 | Danielss89 | hmm |
| 15:24.38 | Danielss89 | libapache2-mod-php5 is installed |
| 15:24.43 | skandaleras | :_O |
| 15:24.56 | Danielss89 | i thought |
| 15:25.27 | Danielss89 | hmm i wonder what removed that |
| 15:25.33 | Danielss89 | stupid control panel:D |
| 15:25.40 | Danielss89 | thanks skandaleras |
| 15:25.46 | skandaleras | X) |
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| 15:25.53 | skandaleras | you are wellcome Danielss89 :) |
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| 15:29.27 | a1fa | RvGaTe : maybe you havent configured interfaces right |
| 15:30.33 | RvGaTe | alfa: what could there be wrong with a interface config if im using a dhcp |
| 15:30.48 | a1fa | it needs a special syntax |
| 15:30.52 | a1fa | hold on |
| 15:31.49 | a1fa | do man interfaces, son |
| 15:32.20 | a1fa | or reffer to http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-gateway.en.html |
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| 15:32.33 | skandaleras | RvGaTe: could you send us the output of the command "route -n" when the local hosts are unavailable? |
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| 15:33.01 | a1fa | skandaleras : i just answered his question |
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| 15:33.16 | RvGaTe | alfa, you are not really a great help to be honest |
| 15:33.16 | a1fa | skandaleras : the dhcplient is not assinging a localroute for that interface |
| 15:33.39 | RvGaTe | alfa, altho it does whenever i do a dhcp request manually |
| 15:33.42 | skandaleras | a1fa: great, let me find the text X) |
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| 15:33.54 | a1fa | because you didnt set it up correctly |
| 15:34.08 | a1fa | i just gave you documentation to read it over |
| 15:34.15 | a1fa | what else you want me to do? blow you? |
| 15:34.34 | a1fa | edit /etc/network/interfaces |
| 15:34.34 | skandaleras | :_O |
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| 15:34.41 | RvGaTe | i want you to think before redirecting me to documentation blindly |
| 15:34.41 | a1fa | and make sure it is configured properly |
| 15:35.00 | a1fa | lol |
| 15:35.07 | a1fa | you exhausted your help for today |
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| 15:35.18 | a1fa | come back tomorrow, or insert coins |
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| 15:35.46 | a1fa | make sure you have auto ethX whatever |
| 15:35.47 | a1fa | and |
| 15:35.59 | RvGaTe | i have that, im not stupid |
| 15:36.01 | a1fa | iface ethX inet dhcp |
| 15:36.49 | a1fa | numn nut |
| 15:37.00 | RvGaTe | i do get an ip etc assigned by the dhcp automaticly on boot etc, i just cant do anything with the clients in the local network... altho i can whenever i do ANOTHER request |
| 15:37.21 | RvGaTe | and man interfaces isn't going to help me on that |
| 15:37.49 | a1fa | dude |
| 15:37.55 | a1fa | did you check your interfaces file? |
| 15:38.05 | a1fa | to make sure its set right |
| 15:38.08 | RvGaTe | just for you, ill check them again |
| 15:38.11 | a1fa | go |
| 15:38.30 | skandaleras | hahaha |
| 15:38.32 | a1fa | also you didnt tell us what version of debian |
| 15:38.34 | stew | RvGaTe: show me the output of "ip a ; ip r" from when its NOT working |
| 15:38.52 | a1fa | stew : he is missing a local network route |
| 15:38.57 | skandaleras | stew: ip? :_O |
| 15:39.10 | skandaleras | ip command? I've never seen this command |
| 15:39.20 | a1fa | skandaleras : part of route2 |
| 15:39.33 | skandaleras | :-O |
| 15:39.45 | a1fa | err |
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| 15:40.18 | RvGaTe | alfa, "iface eth0 inet dhcp" and "auto eth0" |
| 15:40.27 | a1fa | part of iproute |
| 15:40.43 | a1fa | RvGaTe : autho eth0 is before iface eht0 |
| 15:40.44 | a1fa | right? |
| 15:40.53 | RvGaTe | now it is |
| 15:41.04 | a1fa | ok ifdown eth0 |
| 15:41.06 | a1fa | ifup eth0 |
| 15:41.13 | a1fa | and do netstat -rn |
| 15:41.27 | a1fa | and see if you have a local route through eth0 |
| 15:42.32 | RvGaTe | alfa, done, gives me the exact same lines as before |
| 15:42.40 | a1fa | 1 line or two lines? |
| 15:42.48 | RvGaTe | it was 2 before, its still 2 |
| 15:42.50 | a1fa | because you pasted 1 line the last time |
| 15:42.54 | a1fa | paste them both |
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| 15:43.06 | a1fa | last time you only pasted 1 |
| 15:43.25 | RvGaTe | "192.168.1.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth0" and "0.0.0.0 192.168.1.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0" |
| 15:43.36 | a1fa | now ping 192.168.1.1 |
| 15:43.57 | RvGaTe | works |
| 15:44.00 | a1fa | cool |
| 15:44.05 | a1fa | so whats the problem? |
| 15:44.24 | a1fa | run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:44.30 | a1fa | and try pinging again |
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| 15:44.53 | RvGaTe | that it didn't work before with the exact same netstat -rn result |
| 15:46.00 | cyzie | hello, how do i configure microphone ? |
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| 15:46.00 | a1fa | whatever, restart again |
| 15:46.00 | a1fa | and try it again |
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| 15:46.23 | tschwinge | Hello! |
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| 15:46.46 | tschwinge | Which tool is needed to read out values like `/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer:smbios.system.version'? |
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| 15:47.40 | Fox | tschwinge: tried gconf-editor ? |
| 15:48.10 | a1fa | RvGaTe : you are welcome |
| 15:48.24 | RvGaTe | alfa, im not done yet, :P was at the toilet for a moment |
| 15:48.41 | RvGaTe | alfa, but i appreciate the help im getting right now |
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| 15:49.05 | stew | tschwinge: lshal or hal-device |
| 15:49.30 | Danielss89 | hmm im trying to install vhcs, but i get these errors: http://pastebin.ca/337156 <-- saying that access is denied for root@localhost, but when im typing mysql -p |
| 15:49.44 | Danielss89 | then i can connect to the mysql database |
| 15:50.03 | robin_sz | OK so where do I find the fglrx drivers, the proper stuff for my ATI card?? |
| 15:50.16 | RvGaTe | alfa, pinging works, not sure if it stays this on the next reboot, i cant reboot right now... but i'll let you know... thanks for the help |
| 15:50.49 | a1fa | yup |
| 15:51.43 | tschwinge | Fox, stew: ``hal-get-property --key smbios.system.version --udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer'' did the trick. Thanks though! |
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| 15:56.22 | skandaleras | Danielss89: "mysql -p" connects as root? |
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| 15:57.10 | skandaleras | Danielss89: try "myqsl -u root -p" and type the password |
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| 15:58.11 | Danielss89 | skandaleras yes, it connects |
| 15:58.22 | Danielss89 | Your MySQL connection id is 27001665 |
| 15:58.22 | Danielss89 | Server version: 5.0.30-Debian_3 Debian etch distribution |
| 15:58.30 | skandaleras | ok |
| 15:58.57 | Danielss89 | so its kind a weird, dont you think? |
| 15:59.00 | skandaleras | didn't vhcs ask for the root pass for mysql? |
| 15:59.06 | mc__ | what packages do have to be installed in order to runt eclipse(not as a package) |
| 15:59.13 | Danielss89 | yes, and i typed it in twice skandaleras |
| 15:59.25 | dkr | mc__: just look at the dependencies of the eclipse ackage |
| 15:59.33 | mc__ | dkr: the eclipse package is installed |
| 16:00.01 | dkr | mc__: then the dependencies should be, as well |
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| 16:00.44 | skandaleras | Danielss89: are you accessing in local? |
| 16:00.45 | dpy | Eclipser: are you still there ? |
| 16:00.50 | Eclipser | yes |
| 16:00.53 | rpc | hm is it true that 2.6.19 won't work on sarge? |
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| 16:01.10 | jfletcher | doubtful |
| 16:01.31 | stew | doesn't bpo have 2.6.19 packages for sarge? |
| 16:01.36 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to do bgp with etch? |
| 16:01.41 | abrotman | sid doesn't have 2.6.19 yet |
| 16:01.42 | rpc | i just compiled 2.6.19 and was preparing for reboot and now someone tells me that it won't work on sarge |
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| 16:01.56 | jfletcher | madclicker: yes. |
| 16:01.56 | Danielss89 | hmm skandaleras i dont know:S i just ran the apt-get install vhcs while i was root |
| 16:02.02 | dpy | I'm still having problems with the multiple .debs generating... I now have: debian/control with multiple Package: and debian/foopackage-cgi and debian/foopackage but all files end up in foopackage-cgi-*.deb |
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| 16:02.05 | Tallu | rpc: uh, why's that? |
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| 16:02.22 | rpc | Tallu hi there :) i have no clue, that's what i read at some place |
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| 16:02.32 | rpc | i'm surprised to hear that |
| 16:02.39 | Tallu | rpc: sounds a bit absurd to me |
| 16:02.48 | petemc | i read the earth is only 6000 years old |
| 16:02.50 | dkr | there is a custom sarge installer out there with 2.6.19 ( to be able to install on newer hardware) |
| 16:02.54 | rpc | <MoDaX> rpc: 2.6.19 won't work on sarge without some backports (udev, initramfs-tools etc.) |
| 16:02.55 | petemc | build in in a week, by some dude |
| 16:02.55 | dpy | sorry, I meant debian/foopackage-cgi.install and debian/foopackage.install (with lists of files) |
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| 16:02.56 | rpc | true/false? |
| 16:03.02 | dpy | the directories are created |
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| 16:03.16 | dkr | I read that Michael Jackson gave birth to a 3-headed alien baby |
| 16:03.23 | abrotman | rpc: you could just try it and let us know |
| 16:03.25 | skandaleras | Danielss89: but you are accessing a db in localhost, am I right? |
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| 16:03.33 | Bi_DosT | Hello |
| 16:03.35 | Bi_DosT | :D |
| 16:03.37 | Bi_DosT | my name Ýs Natalya |
| 16:03.37 | rpc | abrotman i will then, just finished compiling |
| 16:03.39 | Bi_DosT | :D |
| 16:03.41 | Bi_DosT | skandaleras Mucuxx |
| 16:03.43 | Bi_DosT | :D |
| 16:03.45 | Tallu | rpc: well you need initramfs-tools and udev i believe, but you can get those.. :) |
| 16:03.53 | abrotman | Bi_DosT: do you have a debian-related question ? |
| 16:04.03 | Bi_DosT | What ? |
| 16:04.06 | dkr | maybe it's a grinbot |
| 16:04.07 | abrotman | !tr |
| 16:04.08 | dpkg | from memory, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 16:04.19 | Danielss89 | hmm skandaleras i think so:D |
| 16:04.23 | stew | rpc: it is true that you would need to use a backported {udev,grub,initramfs-tools} or a backported {grub,yaird} if you want to use an initrd kernel, but you should be able to compile a custom kernel without an initrd as well |
| 16:04.23 | Bi_DosT | Name register Code ?? |
| 16:04.31 | Bi_DosT | nick name Register Code Giv me |
| 16:04.31 | Bi_DosT | :? |
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| 16:04.39 | Bi_DosT | Pls |
| 16:04.39 | Tallu | stew: that's also true |
| 16:04.40 | abrotman | Bi_DosT: do you have a debian-related question ? |
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| 16:04.47 | Bi_DosT | nick name Register Code Giv me |
| 16:04.49 | Bi_DosT | Name register Code ?? |
| 16:04.52 | abrotman | go away |
| 16:04.58 | Bi_DosT | What? |
| 16:05.04 | Bi_DosT | My go away abrotman? |
| 16:05.09 | Bi_DosT | you go away |
| 16:05.09 | dkr | Bi_DosT: /msg nickserv help |
| 16:05.09 | Bi_DosT | :D |
| 16:05.14 | Bi_DosT | no no no |
| 16:05.14 | stew | Bi_DosT: this is a debian support channel. do you have any debian related questions? |
| 16:05.14 | Bi_DosT | :D |
| 16:05.19 | Bi_DosT | dkr |
| 16:05.30 | Bi_DosT | What St3rnchen? |
| 16:05.32 | Bi_DosT | stew? |
| 16:05.42 | Bi_DosT | My some canal name :D |
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| 16:05.58 | skandaleras | Danielss89: I have no answer, sorry :( |
| 16:06.00 | Tallu | Well done! |
| 16:06.10 | stew | Bi_DosT: you've been silenced for 10 minutes. please keep it on-topic |
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| 16:06.53 | Ronin | heh indeed |
| 16:08.02 | rpc | stew i have never tried other way than initrd... not sure what to do now then |
| 16:08.23 | Tallu | rpc: well, backport what you need and use a ramdisk :) |
| 16:08.34 | stew | rpc: i would recommend sticking to initramfs + udev + grub from backports |
| 16:08.43 | jduggan | hi guys, ive got a box with software raid one with the root partition on /dev/md0... ive built a new kernel changing just two features based on the .config of the current kernel, ive also created an initrd and put it in the menu.lst.. also during the grub bootloader if i 'e' i can tab complete that initrd file so grub can read it it.. but on boot i get a kernel panic unknown root device md0, any ideas? |
| 16:09.01 | Danielss89 | oh ok skandaleras |
| 16:09.05 | Danielss89 | damnit:D |
| 16:09.10 | Tallu | rpc: do you know how to backport stuff into sarge? |
| 16:09.16 | rpc | or i will just go really mad and wipe everything, then got Etch |
| 16:09.25 | Emmanuel_Chanel | When I want to install only base system and pppoe, all I should do is to burn debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso ？ |
| 16:09.29 | Tallu | well, etch is pretty much stable now |
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| 16:09.37 | rpc | Tallu i did it once or twice, just like that |
| 16:09.48 | Tallu | rpc: okay :) |
| 16:09.51 | rpc | i think i'm tired of sarge |
| 16:10.06 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Someone? |
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| 16:10.12 | Tallu | i think i upgraded my server to etch 4 months ago or so |
| 16:10.14 | rpc | perhaps it's a good moment to install Etch... |
| 16:10.19 | Tallu | not a single problem, conflict or anything |
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| 16:10.21 | rpc | hm |
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| 16:10.24 | dkr | Emmanuel_Chanel: you could just use the netinst image |
| 16:10.28 | dkr | it's smaller |
| 16:10.28 | rpc | and no backporting :) |
| 16:10.37 | Tallu | rpc: true :) |
| 16:10.38 | Danielss89 | Tallu me to.. no problems at all |
| 16:10.41 | rpc | and 2.6.19-2 will work fine ;) |
| 16:10.50 | jduggan | so anyone have an idea on my problem building a kernel? |
| 16:10.54 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dkr: Both for sarge and etch? |
| 16:11.11 | Emmanuel_Chanel | dkr: Thanks advice. |
| 16:11.18 | xand | debian users don't build kernels :) |
| 16:11.18 | rpc | jduggan did you use rdev? |
| 16:11.27 | jduggan | rpc: what's rdev? |
| 16:11.35 | Tallu | xand: we don't? |
| 16:11.35 | dkr | Emmanuel_Chanel: yeah, either, th enetinst has base system and pppoe |
| 16:11.52 | Emmanuel_Chanel | Good. Thx info! |
| 16:11.54 | rpc | jduggan you have to tell the kernel where to find root filesystem |
| 16:12.04 | rpc | and in your case that's md0 right? |
| 16:12.23 | jduggan | rpc: indeed |
| 16:12.25 | rpc | jduggan: rdev kernelimage /dev/md0 |
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| 16:12.44 | rpc | and your kernel won't be scared anymore :) |
| 16:12.53 | jduggan | rpc: what exactly does that do? |
| 16:13.02 | rpc | i just told you |
| 16:13.13 | jduggan | rpc: so it modifies the bzImage? |
| 16:13.24 | rpc | it tells the kernel where to find root filesystem, in your case the raid |
| 16:13.37 | jduggan | rpc: also, doesnt it get that from the grubs root= option? |
| 16:13.56 | jduggan | rpc: because it knows to search for root filesystem on /dev/md0 |
| 16:14.04 | jduggan | coz thats the error i get |
| 16:14.18 | rpc | no, it's not enough in case of RAID |
| 16:14.36 | jduggan | rpc: okay |
| 16:14.52 | rpc | rdev is needed when you plan to boot off raid |
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| 16:16.18 | jduggan | rpc: so i replace 'kernelimage' for my /boot/bzImage i take it? |
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| 16:16.59 | rpc | that's one of your choices |
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| 16:17.30 | jduggan | rpc: what are my others? |
| 16:17.48 | rpc | it depends on your system :) |
| 16:17.50 | rpc | in case of debian the path to bzImage is fine |
| 16:18.03 | rpc | check the man for more info on rdev |
| 16:18.41 | jduggan | rpc: the image im trying to boot is /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.19.2, so i take it i rdev /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.19.2 /dev/md0 ? |
| 16:19.33 | rpc | yes |
| 16:19.34 | jduggan | rpc: thanks for ur help btw |
| 16:19.37 | jduggan | appreciated |
| 16:19.54 | rpc | no problem, i remember the pain when trying to boot off the raid for the first time |
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| 16:20.02 | rpc | learned that lesson well and glad to help now ;) |
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| 16:21.18 | rpc | and now it's Etch time :] |
| 16:21.29 | jduggan | rpc: i still get the same thing |
| 16:21.30 | rpc | hope i won't regret this decision... |
| 16:21.39 | jduggan | unknown root device |
| 16:21.46 | rpc | oh hm |
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| 16:22.09 | jduggan | rpc: how can i verify initrd is infact being extracted? |
| 16:22.40 | rpc | there is one more thing |
| 16:22.50 | rpc | basically lilo works better with raid systems |
| 16:22.54 | jduggan | okay |
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| 16:22.59 | rpc | the last time i did raid i used lilo |
| 16:23.18 | rpc | no experience with grub and raid, could be that it is causing some troubles |
| 16:24.31 | jduggan | rpc: ok, can you help me with my grub installation then? |
| 16:24.37 | jduggan | well, config |
| 16:24.48 | rpc | honestly, i'm a lilo guy |
| 16:24.56 | rpc | not much experience with grub |
| 16:25.17 | rpc | but i'm sure someone else can help you here |
| 16:25.36 | jduggan | rpc: oooooooooh, i mean |
| 16:25.40 | jduggan | can you help me with lilo config |
| 16:25.58 | jduggan | because ive used lilo ever since i started this job, and they want grub, but if i can only get it with lilo, then tough :) |
| 16:26.27 | rpc | what part of lilo conf you need help with? |
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| 16:26.43 | nikko | hi.... I have docked my laptop... When I boot up I see the text on my external monitor, but when X starts, the external monitor just shows some random-colors.... Do somebody know if I have to change something in xorg.conf |
| 16:26.59 | k0p | jduggan: What do you do with grub? |
| 16:27.10 | jduggan | k0p: eat it |
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| 16:27.31 | k0p | rotfl |
| 16:27.31 | jduggan | hrm, apt-get install lilo and there's no lilo.conf |
| 16:27.54 | jduggan | ok liloconfig |
| 16:28.04 | Alam_Debian | how do I switch workspaces in GNOME by keyboard? |
| 16:28.06 | rpc | :) |
| 16:28.08 | k0p | jduggan: yeah.. or try search a lilo.conf.example |
| 16:28.22 | drako | Alam_Debian, control + shift + arrows |
| 16:28.28 | drako | <- and -> |
| 16:28.35 | drako | or contol+ alt |
| 16:28.37 | drako | dont remember |
| 16:28.39 | rpc | it never installs lilo.conf on debian because it cares about you :) |
| 16:28.40 | jduggan | rpc: do i want to add a bootrecord to /dev/sda? |
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| 16:29.02 | Alam_Debian | drako, thank you |
| 16:29.09 | jduggan | rpc: it needs on sda and sdb right? i mean if one disk fails.. |
| 16:29.15 | madclicker | jfletcher, any howtos |
| 16:29.24 | rpc | if one disk fails then you got a problem |
| 16:29.44 | rpc | what raid is that? |
| 16:29.47 | jduggan | raid1 |
| 16:29.52 | rpc | oh ok |
| 16:30.20 | jduggan | so do i install bootrecord on /dev/sda? |
| 16:30.22 | rpc | but then again sda/sdb are just devices that get merged into raid resulting in new device - md0 |
| 16:30.34 | rpc | i just answered that |
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| 16:31.32 | rpc | have a look here: http://home.san.rr.com/johninsd/pub/linux/lilo/sample/lilo.raid.conf |
| 16:31.35 | jduggan | rpc: no you didnt :) |
| 16:31.58 | rpc | now you just got hell of an answer :) |
| 16:32.33 | jduggan | now thats a fucked up lilo.conf |
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| 16:32.39 | jduggan | and its certainly not simple-raid.conf :) |
| 16:32.55 | rpc | it's a sample one |
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| 16:34.04 | a1fa | ee |
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| 16:36.51 | Danielss89 | <mage> what should I give sister for unzipping? |
| 16:36.51 | Danielss89 | <Kevyn> Um. Ten bucks? |
| 16:36.51 | Danielss89 | <mage> no I mean like, WinZip? |
| 16:36.55 | Danielss89 | ups |
| 16:36.57 | Danielss89 | wrong channel |
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| 16:37.11 | _paulfm | hey everone |
| 16:37.11 | rpc | you bet :) |
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| 16:37.58 | jduggan | ok so how do i specify lilo to install in /dev/sda |
| 16:38.07 | _paulfm | Is it possible to copy a binary sound driver, built on a different machine, to my debian etch machine and it will work there?... same arch (x86) but different processors |
| 16:38.30 | jduggan | -M :P ignore me |
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| 16:43.22 | jduggan | rpc: unknown root device 900 |
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| 16:49.08 | vpi | foxure: mplayer should be able to do that, no ? |
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| 16:51.39 | foxure | vpi: Yes it should. But i can't play with just "mplayer /dev/video1" I think theres something more that i must do. |
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| 16:59.43 | LeFallen | How do I remove ALL newlines in stdout of a command? |
| 16:59.53 | abrotman | sed is one way |
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| 17:01.00 | stew | LeFallen: tr -d \\n |
| 17:01.27 | LeFallen | stew: Thanks :) |
| 17:01.34 | vlt | Hello. I'm looking for the file ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/woody/main/disks-m68k/current/mac/root.bin -- where has it gone? |
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| 17:04.22 | abrotman | vlt: archive.debian.org most likely |
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| 17:04.39 | pythos | Question #d-zed-stroke-107: etch is borking on clamav with exim4(daemon-heavy) ++ spamc/d is working right tho. |
| 17:04.41 | vlt | abrotman: Thx, I'll look there ;-) |
| 17:05.10 | fk0 | ÔÏÒÍÏÖÕ É ÄÕÍÁÔØ ÌÅÎØ. ËÁË ÐÒÁ×ÉÌØÎÏ udp × ÏÄÉÎ ÐÏÒÔ ÐÅÒÅÎÁÐÒÁ×ÉÔØ ÎÁ ÄÒÕÇÏÊ ÈÏÓÔ? (iptables) ÍÎÅ ÞÅÒÅÚ 2 ÎÁ 3-Ê ÎÁÄÏ. ÎÁ ÐÅÒ×ÏÍ ×Ó£ ÚÁÛÉÂÉÓØ (tcpdump ÓÍÏÔÒÀ). Á ÎÁ ×ÔÏÒÏÍ ÎÅ ÐÒÏÈÏÄÉÔ. îÏ ×ÔÏÒÏÊ ÏÄÎÉÍ ËÏÎÃÏÍ × ÌÏËÁÌËÕ ÓÍÏÔÒÉÔ, ËÕÄÁ ÓÏÂÓÔ×ÅÎÎÏ É ÎÕÖÎÏ. :-/ |
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| 17:05.23 | stew | fk0: english only in here, please |
| 17:05.25 | karsten | fk0: English |
| 17:05.41 | abrotman | is that even a language ? |
| 17:05.48 | pythos | english? yes |
| 17:06.00 | vlt | !ru | fk0 |
| 17:06.03 | abrotman | !yinzersmite DemonJester |
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| 17:06.25 | DemonJester | lol |
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| 17:06.43 | abrotman | i guess that's funnier if you're from pittsburgh |
| 17:06.44 | karsten | abrotman: Ruskie |
| 17:07.10 | karsten | abrotman: Since when is being from pittsburgh funny ;-) |
| 17:07.10 | DemonJester | actually closer to philly to be honest |
| 17:07.17 | stew | !ru |
| 17:07.18 | dpkg | i heard ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
| 17:07.32 | xand | I thought ru meant are you |
| 17:07.34 | abrotman | !phillysmite DemonJester |
| 17:07.35 | pythos | anyone have clamav working under etch? |
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| 17:07.49 | raf256 | heh |
| 17:07.57 | karsten | pythos: Just ask |
| 17:08.05 | karsten | !tell pythos about ask |
| 17:08.06 | pythos | karsten, K thanks |
| 17:08.09 | karsten | !tell pythos about smart questions |
| 17:08.13 | x_link | Hi, anybody using osx bar or kxdock bar or what it's called? |
| 17:08.15 | xand | karsten: I think you wanted the "anyone" factoid :P |
| 17:08.21 | karsten | !anyone |
| 17:08.22 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses, knows, is good with, can help you with or is a guru/expert of <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:08.43 | grew | hahahahahahahhaha |
| 17:08.44 | abrotman | kicker ? |
| 17:08.45 | grew | http://yapig.sourceforge.net/demo/photos/photos2291.html <---- porn on sourceforge NSFW |
| 17:08.48 | grew | someone got hacked |
| 17:08.57 | xand | grew: offtopic |
| 17:08.59 | abrotman | grew: tell someone else .. this isn't the channel for it |
| 17:09.10 | grew | abrotman: how do i know a sourceforge admin isnt in here? |
| 17:09.20 | xand | grew: what does that have to do with debian? |
| 17:09.24 | karsten | grew: abuse@sourceforge.net |
| 17:09.37 | x_link | Anybody? |
| 17:09.42 | abrotman | grew: because then you would start with "I think someone's page on sf.net got hacked .. any SF admins around?" |
| 17:09.52 | xand | !tell x_link about anyone |
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| 17:10.24 | xand | also it's not a debian topic |
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| 17:10.39 | x_link | xand: Sorry. |
| 17:10.40 | nitro4ce | what is the write command? |
| 17:11.01 | x_link | Could somebody here help me with getting/installing osx bar or kxdock, I don't remember the exact name |
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| 17:11.12 | glontu | hello |
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| 17:11.17 | abrotman | x_link: apt-cache search .. |
| 17:11.25 | glontu | i am trying to install apache2 with php5 and mysql |
| 17:11.29 | glontu | and it works ok |
| 17:11.35 | nitro4ce | x_link: apt-get install kxdocker |
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| 17:11.46 | Athas | Is there a canonical guide to compiling a Linux kernel yourself under Debian? |
| 17:11.58 | aarm_ | Hey where do I find where a particular app installed too?...i.e. I installed bsdgames and I can't seem to find where it was sent to by apt |
| 17:12.00 | karsten | !kp |
| 17:12.00 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 17:12.12 | Athas | Thanks. |
| 17:12.13 | glontu | only problem is that i have copyed phpMyAdmin in /usr/local/php5/phpmyadmin... and when i attempt to load that page in my browser i get php code |
| 17:12.17 | glontu | what is wrong ? |
| 17:12.22 | karsten | aarm_: make-kpkg / kp mantra is what you want. |
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| 17:12.31 | xand | glontu: you don't have php enabled? |
| 17:12.34 | abrotman | aarm_: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 17:12.39 | abrotman | karsten: misfire |
| 17:12.49 | aarm_ | thanks! |
| 17:12.53 | aarm_ | I'l check that out |
| 17:12.53 | glontu | php works ... i have an index.php in /var/www/ and it has phpinfo(); in it |
| 17:12.55 | glontu | and it works |
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| 17:13.10 | nitro4ce | what is the write command? |
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| 17:13.15 | x_link | abrotman: Ahh I meant wrong, I already have kxdocker, but I can't add/remove icons. |
| 17:13.21 | x_link | + this one is really strange. |
| 17:13.25 | karsten | nitro4ce: Um, "man write" |
| 17:13.27 | abrotman | then ask #kde or #debian-kde |
| 17:13.27 | hark | nitro4ce: man write |
| 17:13.32 | glontu | it seems it won't work if the files are in another folder ... what is the problem ? |
| 17:13.36 | x_link | abrotman: OKey |
| 17:13.37 | karsten | abrotman: collateral damage. |
| 17:13.41 | abrotman | karsten: i know |
| 17:14.05 | nitro4ce | hehe cool |
| 17:14.09 | nitro4ce | i love linux |
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| 17:14.46 | vpi | is there a way to set preferences for "apt-get source" in /etc/apt/preferences just like for "apt-get install" ? |
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| 17:16.16 | abrotman | !pinning |
| 17:16.16 | dpkg | methinks apt-pinning is read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning or see http://wiki.serios.net/wiki/Apt-Pinning_on_Debian |
| 17:16.20 | abrotman | nothing in thatman page ? |
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| 17:19.03 | karsten | OT: Broken: http://sinfest.net/comikaze/comics/2007-02-02.gif |
| 17:19.13 | vpi | abrotman: nothing about apt-get source in any of the given resources |
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| 17:19.19 | abrotman | ok |
| 17:19.37 | abrotman | so just try it |
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| 17:20.16 | vpi | but apt-get source does not seem to follow the same rules as apt-get install |
| 17:20.28 | Keith_S | I was going to get some ECC stuff for my server... would it be "faster" with two 1GB sticks or 1 2GB sticks? |
| 17:20.44 | Keith_S | or will it make no difference? |
| 17:20.44 | karsten | Keith_S: Orthogonal. |
| 17:20.54 | Keith_S | karsten: wat does that mean? |
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| 17:21.24 | rpc | i'm slowly going crazy about the best kernel for AMD64 X2 cpu... |
| 17:21.27 | karsten | Keith_S: memory size != memory speed. OTOH, in general, more memory == more performance on a system, particularly if it's memory constrained. How much you're paging is the real question. |
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| 17:21.55 | Forum_User | hi all |
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| 17:21.56 | Forum_User | hi all...would you like to join an adult forum ??? http://exotics.ezbbforum.com |
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| 17:22.02 | karsten | Keith_S: ... ah, Stick count. Hrm. I don't think that that matters either as RAM doesn't have read/write heads to position. It's directly addressed through the Northside bus. |
| 17:22.23 | karsten | !ops Forum_User spamming |
| 17:22.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: Forum_User spamming |
| 17:22.45 | Gathond | Keith_S: I think it depends on the motherboard, if its using dual channel memory I think 2 sticks are suposedly faster than one |
| 17:22.54 | rpc | 2.6.18-3-686 #1 SMP Mon Dec 4 16:41:14 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux <--is this what i want for AMD64 X2? |
| 17:23.26 | Keith_S | Gathond: servers dont have dual channel ? |
| 17:23.38 | Gathond | Keith_S: depends on how new:) |
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| 17:23.53 | Gathond | rpc: depends, its what you want if you have a 32 bit OS running on it |
| 17:24.05 | ix | rpc: nope, that's generic i686. |
| 17:24.15 | rpc | Gathond yes, i got rid of 64-bit os... |
| 17:24.17 | rpc | ix hm |
| 17:24.27 | Gathond | rpc: then I would say its fine |
| 17:24.27 | Keith_S | Gathond: http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/mpartspecs.aspx?mtbpoid=46C839EBA5CA7304 |
| 17:24.30 | ix | you want an amd64-enabled kernel. |
| 17:24.30 | rpc | ix i really don't know what kernel to put in there |
| 17:24.38 | Keith_S | its a dell SC1425 like 1 yr old. |
| 17:24.39 | rpc | is it k7 one? |
| 17:24.42 | Thomas__s | I just installed windows VISTA + windows XP on my SATA hard disk, but now I tryed to reinstall GRUB with knoppix using: mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/sda 2; chroot /mnt/sda2; grub-install /dev/sda2; exit; umount /mnt/sda2 -> why did that not work ? |
| 17:24.47 | Keith_S | takes upto 16gb of ram. |
| 17:24.50 | rpc | k7-smp? |
| 17:24.58 | Keith_S | Thomas__s: poor you :p |
| 17:25.00 | Gathond | I suppose you might gain a bit with a k7 one, bur I really doubt you will ever notice the difference |
| 17:25.16 | Thomas__s | Keith_S help me please... |
| 17:25.22 | rpc | i just need the kernel to make use of dual core |
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| 17:25.45 | Gathond | Keith_S: what about that? its not the memory which decides but the CPU/motherboard |
| 17:25.48 | rgsteele | Hm, anyone know of a clean way to grab output from a remote command in bash? |
| 17:26.03 | Keith_S | Gathond: yeah, |
| 17:26.08 | rpc | rgsteele > file.txt |
| 17:26.32 | Thomas__s | Keith_S: can you help me please ? |
| 17:27.02 | rgsteele | rpc: I think you misunderstood me. I'm on box A, I send a command to remote box B by doing something like "ssh BOXB cat foo" |
| 17:27.07 | stew | Thomas__s: did "grub-install" complete without errors? |
| 17:27.16 | rgsteele | I want to capture that output on the terminal on box A |
| 17:27.32 | Gathond | Keith_S: i know nothing about dells servers though, I do know that dells core2 duo based laptops uses dual channel memory, so a server probably does as well |
| 17:27.35 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:27.40 | stew | Thomas__s: you probably need to "mount --bind /dev /mnt/sda2/dev" before you chroot and "mount /proc" after you chroot |
| 17:27.42 | Thomas__s | stew no but I might need grub-install /dev/sda no /dev/sda2 ? |
| 17:27.57 | stew | Thomas__s: yes, you would want /dev/sda not /dev/sda2 |
| 17:28.10 | Thomas__s | okay I try |
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| 17:29.04 | rgsteele | Ah, maybe prsh is what I'm looking for. |
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| 17:33.57 | rpc | does it make sense to install k7 kernel on amd64 X2 dual core? |
| 17:36.10 | Keith_S | how do i find out wat version of a app is in apt? |
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| 17:36.21 | jelly | rgsteele: ssh BOXB cat foo > out should work too |
| 17:36.22 | Keith_S | i want to install snort, but want latest. |
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| 17:36.44 | jelly | Keith_S: apt-cache policy pacakge |
| 17:37.05 | rgsteele | jelly: Yeah, I think I was just being dense. |
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| 17:37.51 | enouf | Thomas__s: if you used aprtman and resizer from Debian installer, you will have marked the incorrect start of the 1st partition location(usually sector 63) .. Vista defaults it to sector 2048 .. see http://www.us.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/errata |
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| 17:38.11 | jelly | rgsteele: else stuff like ssh machine tar cf - dir | tar xfv - wouldn't work |
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| 17:39.03 | enouf | bah .. gone .. also he likely didn't mkdir first anyways |
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| 17:39.37 | enouf | jduggan: having issues still? .. see rootraiddoc.97.html |
| 17:39.43 | rgsteele | jelly: Unless I specified /dev/zero as the input and /dev/null as the output |
| 17:40.00 | rgsteele | Somethingl ike 2>&1 < /dev/zero |
| 17:40.10 | rgsteele | Then I think it'd be okay |
| 17:40.11 | enouf | jduggan: locate that doc on the web, or on HDD, as part of the mdadm pkg, or find it at alioth |
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| 17:45.44 | zorrotoro | Hello, I have a package management problem. Yesterday, I tried to install Eclipse with no success. To do this, I added testing and unstable URL to /etc/apt/sources.list. Now I removed those URL and only let stable URL. But when I use synaptic, aptitude or dselect, those tools want to 1/ delete some unused packages (xfree86-common is in the list ! and other important packages that are used) and wants to update/install 140 new packa |
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| 17:45.56 | zorrotoro | I just want to install 'unrar' and its dependencies. |
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| 17:46.30 | zorrotoro | How can I deal with the matter ? I already tried clearing operations to make package tools to forget all those modifications that I don't want. |
| 17:46.36 | _Freedom0_ | !seen eisen |
| 17:46.38 | dpkg | eisen <~eisen@xdsl-81-173-184-121.netcologne.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 1d 22h 1m 14s ago, saying: 'darren: tvants should work in wine according to google. I may have confused the apps and the other one was the one that did not work.'. |
| 17:46.40 | derxob | so be a man grab the sources |
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| 17:48.30 | zorrotoro | Can't you give me some hand please ? |
| 17:48.40 | Ronin | !unrar |
| 17:48.41 | dpkg | i guess unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
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| 17:49.41 | zorrotoro | Ronin, unrar as well as unrar-free give me the same problem. The problem is those packages that tools want to remove or add, but I never asked it. |
| 17:50.31 | Ronin | zorrotoro: so you added non-free to your source list and apt-get install unrar wants to remove x? no wait, i see you had stable, testing, and unstable in the list??? yikes |
| 17:51.13 | Ronin | zorrotoro: why on earth did you add testing and unstable? |
| 17:51.23 | zorrotoro | Ronin : it's exact, now I only have stable. When trying to install eclipse, I didn't know that I add to comment out stable and others URL. |
| 17:51.36 | zorrotoro | Ronin : to install eclipse with aptitude |
| 17:51.53 | Ronin | zorrotoro: ya you really buggered up your system doing that |
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| 17:52.52 | madclicker | hi, is there a way to do bgp with etch? |
| 17:53.04 | zorrotoro | Ronin :( And now, can I have Debian to forget unstable and testing packages ? I run a 2.6 kernel, and after this URL list error, aptitude began to uninstall my 2.4 kernel and other mistakes. |
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| 17:53.42 | zorrotoro | Ronin : I don't want to reinstall Debian, it's not a way to learn system administration |
| 17:53.51 | Ronin | zorrotoro: i cant say for sure but im suspecting reinstalling is your only hope, but idle around a while, anyone who saw your problem will answer |
| 17:54.01 | Ronin | zorrotoro: neither is mixing and matching releases |
| 17:54.16 | rpc | is there a way to grab 2.6.19-2 over apt-get? |
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| 17:54.38 | zorrotoro | Ronin : ok, thanks a lot, I hope someone else will be able to confirm what you said or advice something |
| 17:55.28 | zorrotoro | Now that I removed testing and unstable from list, I can maybe try to "purge" with aptitude |
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| 17:56.45 | BarryAllen | someone have openxchange running on sarge there? |
| 17:56.47 | DemonJester | madclicker: look at quagga |
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| 17:58.43 | aarm_ | q |
| 17:59.14 | zorrotoro | Ronin : now, when I try to "purge" in aptitude, aptitude wants to remove "tar" program :( |
| 17:59.18 | zorrotoro | so bad |
| 17:59.58 | DemonJester | zorrotoro: why not let it then just reistall, it may be a version conflict from mixing versions |
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| 18:00.21 | stew | zorrotoro: what version of "libc6" do you currently have installed? |
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| 18:00.27 | DemonJester | sp reinstall |
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| 18:00.37 | zorrotoro | stew : how can I get this info please ? |
| 18:00.44 | cwheeler | anyone here using debian on an ultrasparc? |
| 18:00.44 | stew | zorrotoro: dpkg -l libc6 |
| 18:01.26 | zorrotoro | DemonJester : I'll take this risk in last solution, I don't want to reinstall this week-end, I have a lot of school programs to write. |
| 18:01.54 | Ronin | stew: they had stable, testing and unstable in thier source list, installed somethign then removed testing and unstable |
| 18:02.06 | zorrotoro | stew : 2.3.6.ds1-10 |
| 18:02.14 | jduggan | enouf: i checked that, trying to boot with root=/dev/sda1 should work right? im not getting anything different so im thinking perhaps my initrd is broke? |
| 18:02.16 | zorrotoro | stew : is taht stable one ? |
| 18:02.17 | DemonJester | zorrotoro: if thats the only thing it is trying to uninstall I would take the risk. |
| 18:02.22 | zorrotoro | (stable) |
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| 18:02.34 | stew | zorrotoro: so you are now running unstable, not stable. won't be able to go back to stable without reinstalling |
| 18:03.31 | stew | zorrotoro: you can compare to http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 18:05.10 | zorrotoro | DemonJester - stew - Ronin : Ok, so I only let in sources URL : stable stable updates sarge non-free . I cleared the cache, updated the packages list. I will let aptitude doing all it wants (for about 2 hours it seems) and then will reinstall critical things that were uninstalled, if possible. |
| 18:05.33 | Ronin | oh dear |
| 18:05.49 | zorrotoro | 140 new packages to install, 60 to remove : aptitude says that |
| 18:06.19 | GeorgeS069 | shouldn't he just stick with unstable now? |
| 18:06.31 | zorrotoro | I'll never mix sources anymore, I did so reading 3 forums telling to add 'testing' to list to get eclipse installed with aptitude. |
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| 18:07.01 | enouf | jduggan: I don't know .. which kernel sources are you using? |
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| 18:07.26 | Ronin | zorrotoro: if you want a newer version of an application and are running stable look into backports instead |
| 18:07.28 | DemonJester | zorrotoro: I am not sure I would let it do all that, you said it just wanted to uninstall TAR not 59 other packages, your best bet would be to reinstall sarge as suggested by Ronin and Stew |
| 18:07.38 | zorrotoro | GeorgeS069 : you mean I should only let unstable packages un URL list (I maybe already replaced some packages with testing ones, I don't know) |
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| 18:08.00 | jduggan | enouf: im using kernel.org latest, with the same .config as my current debian 2.6.19 kernel, but i dont have a feature in it which i require (smp) |
| 18:08.12 | stew | zorrotoro: you can try testing or unstable. but you shouldn't be using stable anymore, now that you have "upgraded" to unstable |
| 18:08.19 | jduggan | enouf: my 2.6.19 is the default kernel from kmuto's install cd |
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| 18:08.26 | enouf | so you did a make oldconfig? |
| 18:08.28 | zorrotoro | DemonJester : it only wanted to do that when I tried to purge : I can try to accept, seeing if other important packages are wanted to be removed by aptitude. |
| 18:08.40 | enouf | jduggan: that's a backported kernel |
| 18:08.42 | GeorgeS069 | zorrotoro: read what Stew said [13:02] <stew> zorrotoro: so you are now running unstable, not stable. won't be able to go back to stable without reinstalling |
| 18:09.02 | Ronin | zorrotoro: resinstall as in back up what you want to keep and start from scratch |
| 18:09.11 | jduggan | enouf: indeed, but with no smp support |
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| 18:09.18 | zorrotoro | enouf : no, I don't know what it is. Some backup operation/waypoints thing? |
| 18:09.28 | _paulfm | I am trying to build a driver, and the docs say to make sure I have kernel-source in /usr src... but all I have are kernel-headers dirs. How do I make it have the source? |
| 18:10.36 | stew | _paulfm: you should only need -headers in order to add a driver |
| 18:10.36 | _paulfm | stew: Hi again ... thaks for all the help |
| 18:10.37 | _paulfm | thanks |
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| 18:10.38 | zorrotoro | Ronin : I backup, try to update to unstable, and if it fails, I'll reinstall Debian and inform on how to backup the system. I think I kept a Norton ghost of the freshly installed system. |
| 18:11.06 | enouf | jduggan: kmuto's is a backported kerenel AFAIK and you using one that uses initramfs not initrd .. suggest you look at initramfs-tools pkg and update-initramfs and such .. I would also think you would have a separate small /boot partition on each drive (sda, and sdb) .. I'm pretty sure it's necessary to make use of an initrd as root on raied |
| 18:11.25 | _paulfm | stew: well when I "make"... I am getting this error: failed error[2] ... |
| 18:11.39 | _paulfm | stew: Im making again to get exact error |
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| 18:11.47 | stew | _paulfm: put it into a pastebin |
| 18:11.50 | zorrotoro | It's a hard-disk installed Debian, that runs on a VMWare. A problem is that since the Ghost, I change some important hardware like graphics card :( |
| 18:11.53 | _paulfm | stew: ok |
| 18:12.15 | jduggan | enouf: ok so i need to make an 'makeinitramfs rather than mkinitrd? |
| 18:12.21 | _paulfm | stew: well thats a little tough.. Im on a command line only install |
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| 18:12.58 | _paulfm | stew: I dont even have a browser on the box... (I am irc'ing from my laptop) |
| 18:12.59 | stew | _paulfm: put the output into a file, then use w3m to upload the file to http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 18:13.03 | jduggan | mkinitramfs* |
| 18:13.10 | enouf | jduggan: something like that .. but you can't use your old config i fdon't think .. too many things changed throughout all those revisions (2.6.8 -> 2.6.19) |
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| 18:13.17 | _paulfm | stew: ... ok - Ill try it |
| 18:13.22 | zorrotoro | thanks for help, see you in hours so :D |
| 18:13.25 | zorrotoro | bye |
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| 18:14.33 | jduggan | enouf: no no |
| 18:15.24 | jduggan | enouf: a working 2.6.19rc3-somethingor other from kmuto is the working kernel using my software raid.. it doesnt have smp support, so ive downloaded and built the latest 2.6.19.2 frmo kernel.org and used that .config, changing smp to included in the kernel |
| 18:16.12 | jduggan | mkinitramfs -r /dev/md0 -o /boot/myimage if i add initrd=/boot/myimage, this should boot no? (since it works with default kernel) |
| 18:16.20 | stew | jduggan: are you sure the kmuto kernel doesn't have smp support? |
| 18:16.32 | stew | that would be a suprise to me |
| 18:16.34 | jduggan | stew: yes, he told me so, and also i opened the config in make menuconfig |
| 18:16.41 | jduggan | and its not there |
| 18:16.54 | jduggan | stew: and it only sees one core :) |
| 18:16.58 | jduggan | so im convinced :P |
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| 18:17.08 | jduggan | its simply smp i want working which requires recompile |
| 18:18.10 | jduggan | but it wont boot off root=/dev/md0 :( |
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| 18:18.19 | stew | jduggan: why aren't you just using make-kpkg's --initrd parameter, and let the initrd be automatically generated for you? |
| 18:18.28 | jduggan | stew: im doing that now |
| 18:18.30 | jduggan | hoping it will work |
| 18:18.37 | jduggan | but debians kernel takes a long ass time to build |
| 18:18.44 | jduggan | since its all modules :P |
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| 18:18.57 | enouf | jduggan: you don't understand I don't think ..the 2.6.19rc3 from kmuto is ONLY modified from a 2.6.8 to give the required functionality needed (like hardware detection and drivers/modules, LVM, RAID support built in).. yet still uses an initrd so that pure Sarge folks can use it .. it's not a full 2.6.19 kernel inhte normal sense AFAICT, ut then again, I may be full of shit |
| 18:19.03 | stew | jduggan: or why not use a 2.6.18 kernel from backports.org? |
| 18:19.58 | jduggan | enouf: ic, why pass off 2.6.8 with a patch as 2.6.->19<-rc3 |
| 18:20.05 | jduggan | if its not .19 |
| 18:20.05 | jduggan | ;\ |
| 18:20.09 | jduggan | afaik |
| 18:20.19 | jduggan | he just changes the installer to use 2.6.latest kernel |
| 18:20.30 | enouf | jduggan: as i said above .. so it works on newer hardware .. but I could be way off .. |
| 18:20.50 | jduggan | stew: will look into that if this doesnt work |
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| 18:24.30 | _paulfm | stew: w3m... how do I enter the filename... Im looking at the upload a file in pastebin, but as soon as i try to enter "out.txt"... it takes me to the settings? |
| 18:24.52 | Ronin | _paulfm: dont think you can do a file, only the contents of the file |
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| 18:25.17 | stew | _paulfm: hit enter on a field to edit it, or hit enter on the browse button |
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| 18:25.42 | Ronin | i sit corrected |
| 18:27.01 | _paulfm | stew: ok that worked... "PaulFM - sis7019" |
| 18:27.37 | _paulfm | looks like its up there 3 times! |
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| 18:27.42 | _paulfm | what am I doing |
| 18:29.33 | jduggan | enouf: debians method for kernel upgrade, make-kpg... |
| 18:29.35 | jduggan | /usr/sbin/mkinitrd: add_modules_dep_2_5: modprobe failed |
| 18:29.35 | jduggan | FATAL: Module raid1 not found. |
| 18:29.38 | jduggan | i get this |
| 18:29.45 | jduggan | when i dpkg -i kernel.deb |
| 18:29.52 | _paulfm | uhoh.. looks like w3m was just repeatedly submitting the file |
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| 18:30.18 | rgsteele | Hm. Is there a way within a file you're editing with vim to set the syntax style? |
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| 18:30.44 | _paulfm | killed w3m |
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| 18:30.53 | _paulfm | stew: have you seen the paste? |
| 18:30.55 | rgsteele | Sort of off-topic though, I suppose. |
| 18:30.57 | rgsteele | Sorry |
| 18:31.01 | _paulfm | hard not to :-) |
| 18:31.58 | gnat_x | hi folks, i'm trying to compile gnomad2 from source and when i get to 'make install' i get the following error that seems to kill the install: mkdir: `/usr/local/man/man1' exists but is not a directory |
| 18:32.11 | gnat_x | any thoughts on the right way to handle this? |
| 18:32.13 | enouf | jduggan: I've found a nice little set of files here /usr/share/initramfs-tools/ see the modules file especially .. do you have build-essential installed? |
| 18:32.40 | gnat_x | make[2]: *** [install-man1] Error 1 |
| 18:33.05 | gnat_x | also might be helpful. |
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| 18:34.20 | enouf | jduggan: also /msg dpkg kp mantra |
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| 18:34.23 | jelly | How do I sort installed packages by Installed-Size? |
| 18:34.55 | gnat_x | i've loooked around, and there is some sim link stuff having to do with the man pages, so i want to tread lightly and install in a way where man can find the manpages. |
| 18:35.12 | stew | jduggan: man grep-dctrl; its one of the examples |
| 18:35.19 | stew | jelly: ^ |
| 18:35.19 | jelly | stew: thanks |
| 18:35.59 | stew | _paulfm: if i had to guess, i'd say that you need anewer gcc. but its a guess |
| 18:36.32 | _paulfm | stew: hmmm... sounds like a good place to start |
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| 18:37.13 | _paulfm | stew: I am currently using gcc4.1.2(prerelease) |
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| 18:37.22 | stew | _paulfm: that's not the problem then |
| 18:37.22 | _paulfm | stew: Im not even sure how I got it |
| 18:37.44 | _paulfm | stew: would an older version like 3.3 possibly work better/more stable? |
| 18:37.48 | stew | _paulfm: wait. gcc 4.1 and a 2.4 kernel? sounds like an odd combination |
| 18:38.04 | stew | or am i confusing people now? |
| 18:38.06 | stew | i am |
| 18:38.07 | _paulfm | stew: no Im on a 2.6 kernel - upgraded sarge to etch |
| 18:38.17 | Zarephath | Hey everybody...can someone remind me the proper url syntax to add the Trash icon to kde desktop? I thought it was Trash:// | Wrong... |
| 18:38.33 | _paulfm | stew: was wondering if a clean etch install would be better |
| 18:38.44 | stew | _paulfm: i doubt it |
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| 18:38.49 | _paulfm | stew: maybe some libs got muddled in the upgrade? |
| 18:38.55 | _paulfm | stew: ok. |
| 18:39.11 | enouf | Zarephath: try trash:/ only |
| 18:39.13 | stew | _paulfm: muddle libs wouldn't make some random audio driver suddently have syntax errors |
| 18:39.14 | _paulfm | or maybe gcc was not correctly upgraded? |
| 18:39.28 | Zarephath | enouf: Thank you... |
| 18:39.43 | enouf | Zarephath: not sure .. at all .. I've seeen it .. but forget entirely |
| 18:40.30 | enouf | Zarephath: poke around in /~.kde/*/* somwhere deep in there .. also ..look in /etc/kde3/* perhaps |
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| 18:40.45 | Zarephath | enouf: ?? That worked just fine...then thanked you... Ahhh. ok |
| 18:40.49 | enouf | bah ~/.kde/*/* |
| 18:40.53 | enouf | heh |
| 18:41.10 | Zarephath | enouf: Got it...thanks again... ;-) |
| 18:41.27 | enouf | Zarephath: there's also man:/ , and media:/ and devices:/ and all other stuff :-) |
| 18:41.51 | Zarephath | enouf: Kewl... |
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| 18:45.41 | jelly | How do I find out why aptitude upgrade wants to install kernel-headers-2.4.27-1? Preferably from command line. |
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| 18:46.43 | stew | -1? |
| 18:47.18 | jelly | hm, it might have something to do with me still having lines for sarge in sources.list |
| 18:47.21 | _paulfm | stew: any suggestions for me... I have been trying to install a sound driver for 3 days and am going to start crying |
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| 18:47.48 | jelly | stew: well, -1-k7 and -1 by dependencies I guess |
| 18:48.46 | stew | _paulfm: buy a cheap soundblaster live |
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| 18:49.21 | _paulfm | stew: ... heh unfortunately... its all on a chip in a tiny box with no pci/isa slots or space... |
| 18:49.40 | jelly | _paulfm: does it have usb? |
| 18:49.40 | enouf | must be a phone |
| 18:49.48 | _paulfm | stew: I had puppy linux installed and the driver came precompiled so it worked |
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| 18:49.58 | _paulfm | jelly:.. yes it has usb |
| 18:50.26 | jelly | _paulfm: well, maybe get a supported usb sound card. |
| 18:50.29 | stew | _paulfm: use the puppy linux kernel |
| 18:51.10 | pinks | Is there a way to get a webcam working in Yahoo or MSN messenger or something like that? |
| 18:51.11 | _paulfm | stew: this may sound crazy... but can I use the puppy kernel with a debian install? |
| 18:51.35 | enouf | jelly: are you using 2.4.27? and did you previously try building a pkg, deb, module that requires kernel headers? .. check any half-installed, not-configured pkgs |
| 18:51.35 | stew | _paulfm: you can |
| 18:51.49 | stew | _paulfm: what kernel version is the puppy linux kernel? |
| 18:52.06 | _paulfm | stew:... puppy kernel is 2.6.18-?? |
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| 18:52.33 | treitter | do anyone know if there's any command to refresh the symlinks in /dev/disk/by-label after you change the label on a filesystem? |
| 18:52.33 | abrotman | wtf is puppy linux ? |
| 18:52.40 | pinks | stoned: g'morning - you're still 3rd and "he" is back ;-) |
| 18:52.48 | jelly | enouf: not using it, kernel-image-2.4.27\* is not installed, nor is anything in dpkg -l \*2.4.27\* |
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| 18:52.57 | _paulfm | abrotman: really lightweight distro to run off ramdisk |
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| 18:54.06 | stew | _paulfm: yeah, i don't see why it woulnd't work, install the kenrel and initrd to /boot/ and update-grub |
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| 18:54.42 | xenome | is there a virtual package of some sort that will install everything I need for X? |
| 18:54.46 | enouf | jelly: install aptitude-doc-en (or en-doc) and read about it .. I use apt/dpkg |
| 18:54.54 | _paulfm | stew: so I copy vmlinuzxxx and initrd.img.xxx from puppy into the debian /boot dir - then update grub? |
| 18:55.04 | abrotman | xenome: x-window-system |
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| 18:55.13 | stew | _paulfm: yeah |
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| 18:55.40 | _paulfm | stew: ok... Im going to give it a shot. I'll let you know how it gies :-) |
| 18:55.43 | _paulfm | goes thatis |
| 18:55.46 | xenome | thanks |
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| 18:56.04 | xenome | does apt have an option to install all the recommended packages automatically... I didn't see that in the man page |
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| 18:56.16 | xenome | and suggested packages |
| 18:56.17 | stephans | hi |
| 18:56.18 | enouf | jelly: also try a .* instead of \* when searching |
| 18:56.26 | stephans | is there a tool like sax in ubuntu? |
| 18:56.34 | _paulfm | stew: what about the kernel modules that puppy loads for the soundcard... do i need to copy those? |
| 18:56.39 | h3sp4wn | xenome: only aptitude or wajig can do that |
| 18:56.41 | stephans | to configure dual head xorg? |
| 18:56.48 | Ronin | stephans: tell us what sax does, never mind :) |
| 18:56.51 | jelly | enouf: not with dpkg -l, it does globbing, not regexps |
| 18:56.57 | stew | _paulfm: oh, yeah, you'll need the entire /lib/modules/$version directory |
| 18:57.05 | stew | i need more coffee |
| 18:57.07 | enouf | jelly: hrmm .. lemmee try here |
| 18:57.09 | stephans | Ronin - I want to configure X-Windows... |
| 18:57.10 | h3sp4wn | xenome: apt doesn't know about recommends / suggests |
| 18:57.17 | _paulfm | stew: ok. |
| 18:57.21 | stephans | dpkg-reconfigure is too basic |
| 18:57.25 | stew | h3sp4wn: say what? |
| 18:57.50 | stew | xenome: i believe its a possible setting in apt.conf |
| 18:57.58 | stephans | How can I say extend my desktop on to screen? |
| 18:58.00 | h3sp4wn | stew: afaik only there is no way to deal with recommends / suggests with apt-get - only dpkg and aptitude knows about it |
| 18:58.02 | enouf | jelly: yep .. you're correct |
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| 18:58.23 | gradin | need help, am unable to install debian on hp prolient 380 g4 server |
| 18:58.31 | gradin | claimes no harddisks recognizes |
| 18:58.48 | DemonJester | gradin: need to activate drive array |
| 18:58.53 | gradin | i'm using an hp smart array with sas drives |
| 18:58.57 | stephans | There is no way to configure Xwindows is there... ? only to hack the config file? |
| 18:58.59 | DemonJester | gradin: or create it |
| 18:59.04 | Thms | How can I add vista to my grub.conf ? Because it didnt detect vista |
| 18:59.13 | stephans | Is there no tool |
| 18:59.15 | stephans | > |
| 18:59.16 | stephans | ? |
| 18:59.16 | gradin | DemonJester: is created, is theire a module that i need to load? |
| 18:59.25 | jelly | does aptitude UI work in concordance with apt-listbugs? I don't want to upgrade packages with open RC bugs |
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| 18:59.42 | Ronin | patience stephans |
| 18:59.47 | DemonJester | gradin: you probably need to load the sas drivers for the controller card |
| 18:59.51 | abrotman | xenome: aptitude does recommends if you tell it to |
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| 19:00.01 | gradin | DemonJester: where can i find those from the install cd? |
| 19:00.25 | abrotman | why am i getting an invite ? |
| 19:00.26 | stew | h3sp4wn: oh, hmm you might be right |
| 19:00.29 | DemonJester | gradin: it should have came with the server, is this a raid setup? |
| 19:00.30 | gradin | is there a boot command i need to uses? |
| 19:00.32 | enouf | jelly: heh a dpkg -l \* | grep 2.4.27 shows I still have modutils installed form 2.4.27 (only one) |
| 19:00.32 | stew | xenome: use aptitude |
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| 19:00.36 | gradin | DemonJester: no |
| 19:01.24 | jelly | gradin: are you installing stable (3.1, sarge) or etch? |
| 19:01.24 | DemonJester | gradin: ok hold on a sec did you say sas and hp g4? |
| 19:01.32 | gradin | yeah |
| 19:01.37 | gradin | i belive thats corect |
| 19:02.05 | DemonJester | sas isnt supported by hp until the g5 series, is the case gray or black? |
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| 19:02.17 | enouf | jelly: your command --> dpkg -l \*2.4.27\* does not find it here |
| 19:03.09 | jelly | gradin: stable has too old a kernel. We have succesfully installed newer Proliants with Kenshi Muto's customized sarge installers |
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| 19:05.27 | gradin | jelly: thanks |
| 19:05.30 | jelly | gradin: "/msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18", or just go to http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
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| 19:07.14 | DemonJester | jelly,hmm interesting, I have a few hp ml350 g5's using sarge without the need for that. |
| 19:07.32 | mfrisch | is there a bare metal backup/restore cd that supports dm-crypted partitions without remaking them with the install cd? |
| 19:07.50 | jelly | DemonJester: the generation means different things from model to model |
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| 19:08.30 | jelly | DemonJester: eg. DL360 G2 and DL380 G3 are the same generation. |
| 19:08.37 | mfrisch | DemonJester: hp makes g5's like powerpc? |
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| 19:09.15 | jelly | mfrisch: no, that's just their code for generations of machine models using the same physical size... |
| 19:09.18 | DemonJester | mfrisch: no just a generation number |
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| 19:09.52 | robin_sz | any bright ideas why my MRTG graph is in integers? |
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| 19:10.00 | mfrisch | ooh generation 5 |
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| 19:10.06 | jelly | mfrisch: eg. A Proliant DL360 is always a 1U server, but the contents and its G<number> have changed over the years |
| 19:10.10 | robin_sz | the results are to two places of decimals |
| 19:10.57 | mfrisch | jelly because of software releases or actual different hardware inside or both? |
| 19:11.06 | jelly | mfrisch: hardware. |
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| 19:11.27 | enouf | jelly: my command (dpkg -l \* | grep 2.4.27) finds my one installed 2.4.27pkg (modutils) but yours (dpkg -l \*2.4.27\*) does not because it's only listed in the "version" field , which has no preceding character .. whereas even a "dpkg -l \* | grep .*2.4.27" also finds it .. I knew there was a reason I used the .* |
| 19:12.04 | enouf | it's in conjunction with grep |
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| 19:12.50 | twobitsprite | why does apt say "26 packages rred 123456"? I'm asking about the "rred" part... type-o? or does it mean something? |
| 19:13.21 | jelly | enouf: yeah, but I didn't care about modutils (or any other random package having a version like 2.4.27), I was looking for a reason why might aptitude want to install a kernel related package, and those always have the version in the package _name_. |
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| 19:13.43 | jelly | !rred |
| 19:13.51 | enouf | jelly: like I said .. if you tried using module assistant to install a video driver say .. |
| 19:13.55 | jelly | twobitsprite: not a typo |
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| 19:15.16 | jelly | enouf: yes, then I'd have a package named foo-module-2.4.27 or something |
| 19:15.47 | enouf | one would think .. I guessi don't know why aptitude is whacked .. but I tried |
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| 19:16.51 | jelly | twobitsprite: it's the apt method use to parse those pdiff files and update the package lists |
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| 19:17.05 | Eclipser | mmh |
| 19:17.08 | Rua | .. |
| 19:17.13 | twobitsprite | jelly: ahh |
| 19:17.14 | Eclipser | damn screen is slooow with 256 colours |
| 19:17.15 | jelly | twobitsprite: /usr/lib/apt/methods/rred |
| 19:17.20 | spyroboy | Hello. |
| 19:18.17 | TbbW | welo |
| 19:18.17 | jelly | twobitsprite: I asked the same thing a few weeks ago, someone even explained to me what rred stood for but I forgot |
| 19:18.22 | spyroboy | I have the 2.6.18-3-amd64 kernel installed, It was installed by the debian package, but it seems I need to patch a driver, is there a location that I could download the source package of it that also includes the .config file that was used to build it? |
| 19:19.12 | jelly | spyroboy: you don't need the whole source, but only the matching linux-headers-2.6.18-3-amd64 package |
| 19:19.35 | spyroboy | Got them. |
| 19:20.06 | h3sp4wn | spyroboy: the config file will be in /boot/config-`uname -r` |
| 19:20.25 | jelly | spyroboy: erm, sorry, if you need to patch an actual in-kernel driver you'll need the source too ;-) |
| 19:20.27 | spyroboy | h3sp4wn, according to what jelly said, do I need the config? |
| 19:20.34 | spyroboy | bah |
| 19:20.35 | spyroboy | I see. |
| 19:20.55 | spyroboy | Well, it's actually a module. |
| 19:21.00 | spyroboy | It's the saa7134 driver. |
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| 19:21.13 | jelly | spyroboy: if it were an outside module, headers would be enough |
| 19:21.29 | spyroboy | I'd rather use the kernel module. |
| 19:21.30 | enouf | spyroboy: afaik .. you need the 2.6.18 source not any revision thereafter .. ala 18-1 {-2 -3} |
| 19:21.38 | jelly | spyroboy: also take a look at /msg dpkg m-a |
| 19:21.40 | enouf | spyroboy: oh a module |
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| 19:22.12 | jelly | spyroboy: it's the "debian way" to simplify building and packaging out-of-tree modules |
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| 19:22.43 | spyroboy | jelly, so the headers has what I need to build the modules that came with the kernel? |
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| 19:23.18 | spyroboy | http://www.spinics.net/lists/vfl/msg28374.html This is the patch I need to apply. |
| 19:23.50 | spyroboy | I'm not exactly pro at patching stuff or compiling kernels. I just know how to debug my .config's until I get a working one. |
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| 19:24.19 | spyroboy | Hmm.. |
| 19:24.35 | daxxar | http://rafb.net/p/jVAkao81.html -- This is my top (sorted on TIME+). Is this irregular? |
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| 19:24.59 | daxxar | And is that minutes:seconds.hundreds or hours:minutes.seconds |
| 19:25.13 | jelly | spyroboy: ah, you'll then need linux-source-2.6.18 too. |
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| 19:25.28 | spyroboy | jelly, alright. |
| 19:25.49 | Gershwin | Looking for a cool-running HD for router boxes... |
| 19:26.07 | Gershwin | according to StorageReview, the raptor 36G has the lowest idle dissipation |
| 19:26.18 | Gershwin | but i find it hard to believe that it's got the lowest temps out there |
| 19:26.26 | robin_sz | sounds irrelevant |
| 19:26.30 | Gershwin | anyone know of a review site or from personal experience, which drives run coolest? |
| 19:26.38 | robin_sz | idle dissipation is just like ... err, right |
| 19:26.57 | jelly | !thwack robin_sz |
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| 19:27.10 | robin_sz | who cares about idel dissipation? thats presumably with the drive spun down and idle? |
| 19:27.16 | Gershwin | that's a measure of electrical power dissipation |
| 19:27.30 | Kcaj | Hey |
| 19:27.32 | jelly | robin_sz: not spun down, just idle |
| 19:27.34 | Gershwin | that's correct, but not spun down |
| 19:27.37 | Kcaj | How can I find out my current Linux falvor and version? |
| 19:27.38 | Gershwin | right |
| 19:27.40 | Kcaj | flavor* |
| 19:27.46 | Kcaj | I'm at shell |
| 19:27.49 | robin_sz | ok, well so long as its not spun down ... |
| 19:27.56 | jelly | Kcaj: uname -r |
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| 19:28.09 | spyroboy | jelly, I'm trying to find the kernel but I can't seem to find it. |
| 19:28.13 | Kcaj | Well thats the vrsion okay |
| 19:28.17 | Kcaj | but what flavor of Linux am I using? |
| 19:28.24 | spyroboy | jelly, will kernel.org have what I need? |
| 19:28.25 | Gershwin | i'm going to scour a few review sites... was just wondering if anyone knew of one off the top of their head |
| 19:28.26 | stew | Kcaj: "uanme -a" maybe? what would an example flavor be? |
| 19:28.33 | enouf | Kcaj: ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 19:28.37 | spyroboy | jelly, or is it some special kernel that debian has? |
| 19:28.38 | Kcaj | Debian? |
| 19:28.40 | jelly | spyroboy: it should be something like linux-source-* |
| 19:29.00 | Kcaj | I dunno what kind of Linux I am using :( |
| 19:29.07 | rgsteele | Hm, anybody know what flag to pass to dpkg to get the current options? |
| 19:29.19 | enouf | Kcaj: then alt-f7 to return to X |
| 19:29.24 | Kcaj | No GUI |
| 19:29.32 | robin_sz | try less /etc/debian_version |
| 19:29.37 | stew | Kcaj: look for either a /etc/debian_version or an /etc/redhat-release |
| 19:29.42 | enouf | Kcaj: well you scrolled past it then :-P |
| 19:29.45 | Kcaj | Neither one exists |
| 19:29.50 | Kcaj | I logged in to a shell |
| 19:29.52 | enouf | Kcaj: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 19:29.55 | robin_sz | well, then you dont have debian .. :) |
| 19:30.20 | stew | Kcaj: look at /etc/issue issue.net motd |
| 19:30.27 | jelly | spyroboy: debian applies a set of patches to the kernel that's in the distro. If you want to just rebuild that one module, I guess the best one to use is Debian's source. |
| 19:30.48 | Kcaj | Permission denied |
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| 19:31.03 | robin_sz | Kcaj, then log in as root |
| 19:31.07 | jelly | spyroboy: or you could just recompile it all with your patch using the vanilla sources |
| 19:31.09 | spyroboy | jelly, I thought so and I'd HATE to bother you, but I still cannot seem to find the source package. |
| 19:31.15 | Kcaj | No such file or directory |
| 19:31.19 | Kcaj | I am logged in as root |
| 19:31.25 | enouf | id -a |
| 19:31.35 | stew | Kcaj: "cat /etc/issue /etc/issue.net /etc/motd |
| 19:31.38 | Kcaj | Last login: Tue Jan 30 12:27:55 2007 from console |
| 19:31.38 | Kcaj | Have a lot of fun... |
| 19:31.49 | spyroboy | jelly, the only thing I can find is kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 19:31.50 | jelly | spyroboy: well I don't use amd64, does "apt-cache search linux-source" return anything that looks useful? |
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| 19:32.07 | stew | Kcaj: does "dpkg -l libc6" return anything? |
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| 19:32.17 | spyroboy | jelly, nothing relating to kernsl. |
| 19:32.25 | Kcaj | Command not found |
| 19:32.25 | spyroboy | jelly, I was checking packages.debian.org |
| 19:32.28 | jelly | spyroboy: hrm... how did you install your distro? |
| 19:32.33 | Kcaj | Mystery Linux! |
| 19:32.35 | spyroboy | jelly, DVD iso? |
| 19:32.40 | spyroboy | CD* |
| 19:32.45 | robin_sz | Kcaj, you can download the latest debian releases from http://www.debian.org |
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| 19:32.52 | jelly | spyroboy: of which debian release? |
| 19:32.53 | stew | Kcaj: its definately not anything related to debian then |
| 19:32.56 | Kcaj | I have a version of Linux |
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| 19:33.04 | spyroboy | jelly, uhm.. it's a testing. |
| 19:33.06 | Kcaj | I am trying to find out what it is :/ |
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| 19:33.07 | Kcaj | Works great |
| 19:33.10 | spyroboy | jelly, weekly build |
| 19:33.10 | Kcaj | I just dunno what it is :( |
| 19:33.42 | Kcaj | Set up a server for this company a long time ago, left, got re-hired, and can't remember wtf I set up for them :( |
| 19:33.42 | jelly | spyroboy: sounds tom me like your build has incorrect /etc/apt/sources.list set for stable and not testing. |
| 19:33.48 | Kcaj | I' |
| 19:33.51 | Kcaj | m not a troll |
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| 19:34.10 | xenome | is there a nice configuration script for X? |
| 19:34.20 | enouf | cat /proc/version |
| 19:34.23 | robin_sz | so, you are a sysadmin that wanders around setting up servers and can't remember what linx distro you use? |
| 19:34.26 | jelly | Kcaj: look in /etc for files matching *release* or *version* |
| 19:34.26 | stew | Kcaj: do you have a pkgtool command? |
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| 19:34.34 | spyroboy | jelly, I mounted the iso.. so I'm going to chekc in there. |
| 19:34.40 | Kcaj | Yeah I use whatever distro they want me to normally |
| 19:35.03 | robin_sz | is it rpm based? rpm -l ? |
| 19:35.31 | Kcaj | Linux version 2.6.13-15-default (geeko@buildhost) (gcc version 4.0.2 20050901 (p rerelease) (SUSE Linux)) #1 Tue Sep 13 14:56:15 UTC 2005 |
| 19:35.40 | robin_sz | aha |
| 19:35.43 | stew | SUSE Linux |
| 19:35.44 | spyroboy | Nothing.. |
| 19:35.47 | spyroboy | damnit :( |
| 19:35.52 | Kcaj | I see |
| 19:36.05 | robin_sz | phew |
| 19:36.06 | Kcaj | Wow, what a mystery lol can't believe I couldn't remember |
| 19:36.15 | Kcaj | I couldn't even remember what the GUI looked like |
| 19:36.16 | spyroboy | I'll figure this out. |
| 19:36.25 | robin_sz | spyroboy, sure? |
| 19:36.27 | Kcaj | I was trying to explain it to someone and figured out the machine had no monitor |
| 19:36.31 | jelly | spyroboy: pastebin your sources.list |
| 19:36.40 | Kcaj | and then ahd to shell in and was like "omg what si the command to check? How do you even see what is installed? XD" |
| 19:36.42 | Kcaj | Sucked |
| 19:36.42 | Zap-W | suse in hebre means horse |
| 19:36.55 | Kcaj | You guys rox though, thanks enouf :D |
| 19:36.57 | stew | good thing we aren't speaking hebre |
| 19:37.02 | jelly | spyroboy: also what is the output of "cat /etc/debian_version" and "dpkg -l libc6|tail -1" ? |
| 19:37.10 | enouf | spyroboy: what's this http://packages.qa.debian.org/l/linux-2.6.html |
| 19:37.35 | Zap-W | and in slang horse in hebrew can also mean someone who kickass or is strong |
| 19:37.40 | spyroboy | Bah, that sigh wasn't a complaint. |
| 19:37.51 | spyroboy | I think I just made myself look like a complaining noob. |
| 19:37.52 | Zap-W | heh |
| 19:37.59 | spyroboy | jelly, http://rafb.net/p/YBLF5h37.html |
| 19:38.09 | Zap-W | spyroboy, have no fear , this is IRC |
| 19:38.33 | spyroboy | enouf, 2.6.18-3 isn't there. |
| 19:38.47 | enouf | spyroboy: you want .18 not .18-3 |
| 19:38.57 | jelly | spyroboy: e-YOW. I think I'll ignore those ubuntu 3rd party distros for my own sanity sake |
| 19:39.05 | spyroboy | Zap-W, I well know that after being simtaniously connected to 6-7 IRC servers. I just don't want to look like a kiddie. |
| 19:39.23 | robin_sz | too late ;0) |
| 19:39.26 | spyroboy | jelly, I see. |
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| 19:40.44 | jelly | spyroboy: (dapper is btw too old to be comparable to etch; if you must, try breezy or maybe even edgy) |
| 19:40.55 | spyroboy | oh. |
| 19:40.57 | spyroboy | I see. |
| 19:41.26 | spyroboy | http://packages.debian.org/testing/devel/linux-source-2.6.18 I think I finally found it. |
| 19:41.28 | spyroboy | Thanks enouf. |
| 19:41.41 | enouf | np |
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| 19:42.00 | jelly | spyroboy: btw, does your card work (apart from the remote)? |
| 19:42.11 | spyroboy | Yup. |
| 19:42.55 | spyroboy | One final question, is there a place that I could find good repos for my sources.list? |
| 19:43.50 | jelly | !unofficial debs |
| 19:43.51 | dpkg | well, unofficial debs is http://www.apt-get.org/, or http://debian-unofficial.org/ |
| 19:44.00 | jelly | possibly |
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| 19:44.11 | spyroboy | Thanks |
| 19:44.46 | jelly | !info beryl etch |
| 19:44.51 | jelly | !info beryl sid |
| 19:44.59 | jelly | !beryl |
| 19:44.59 | dpkg | beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager), packages are NOW in debian (unstable/sid) |
| 19:45.11 | jelly | I see that factoid is still lying |
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| 19:45.30 | xenome | how do I rerun the X windows configuration util? |
| 19:45.39 | hark | !drxx xenome |
| 19:45.40 | dpkg | xenome: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 19:46.37 | enouf | spyroboy: /msg dpkg mirrors .. if you want debian pkgs |
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| 19:47.52 | enouf | jelly: if it's lying .. change it |
| 19:48.43 | hark | jelly: http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/32659.html should be soon.. |
| 19:48.43 | kpanic | hi people, regarding http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=367962 on amd64 have I to wait the next update or safley applying the tip on the last message? thanks |
| 19:48.44 | enouf | ah .. you folks in the X clan :-) |
| 19:48.44 | jelly | enouf: I did... someone reverted it |
| 19:48.58 | enouf | jelly: hrm .. |
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| 19:49.06 | stew | !factinfo beryl |
| 19:49.06 | dpkg | beryl -- last modified 19h 49m 9s ago by streuner!i=foobar@p54A5E20E.dip.t-dialin.net; it has been requested 3 times, last by jelly, 4m 7s ago. |
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| 19:49.29 | shut- | where would i find a printer driver |
| 19:49.31 | shut- | ? |
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| 19:50.20 | hark | jelly: heh, the '..maybe' got removed from the factoid |
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| 19:50.47 | enouf | though one can't necessarily blame the last person whom edited it .. for ex; I removed a spam URL from the marillat factoid (and that's all I did) .. if other info within it was wrong, then one would assume I was responsible |
| 19:50.54 | hark | shut-: what printer? |
| 19:51.15 | shut- | canon pixma ip1600 or something like that |
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| 19:52.43 | jelly | !qotd108 |
| 19:52.43 | dpkg | <drp> is there a command to allow me to see lan printers < greycat> drp: yes. "Joe! Show me that printer!" < greycat> substitute "Joe" with the name of your LAN adminsitrator < drp> lol |
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| 19:54.28 | enouf | bah .. it was the w32codecs factoid! |
| 19:56.19 | jelly | shut-: this one? http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Canon-PIXMA_iP1600 |
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| 19:56.20 | shut- | yes |
| 19:56.20 | enouf | jelly: i see much better from greycat from just hangin in bash :-P |
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| 19:58.00 | cwheeler | are yamaha sound cards good? |
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| 19:59.27 | Caelum | anyway to export stored passwords in windows firefox and import in the debian one? |
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| 19:59.45 | jelly | shut-: google suggests there's no easy way to do it, looks like you'll have to convert their .rpm package to debian format, and do other handiwork |
| 19:59.53 | krang | If I want to sync my clocks to an NTP server, I should just install the package ntp-simple, yes? |
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| 20:00.01 | mhall | How do I locate the serial number, vendor string, etc of a PCI card? I have one I'm filing a trouble ticket on but it's in a production server so I'd rather not shut down and read the label if I can get the info some other way. |
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| 20:00.07 | redbox | krang: yes |
| 20:00.11 | jelly | shut-: the links on that page (esp. those related to ubuntu) might be useful |
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| 20:00.17 | krang | redbox: sweet, cheers |
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| 20:00.32 | shut- | k |
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| 20:00.36 | hark | shut-: take a look at this too, http://mambo.kuhp.kyoto-u.ac.jp/~takushi/#canon |
| 20:00.40 | Caelum | mhall: not sure about serial number, but lspci -vvv will give you lots of info |
| 20:00.46 | cahoot | mhall: tried increasing the verbosity of lspci? like -vvv |
| 20:00.57 | mhall | ah didn't realize it had multiple levels |
| 20:01.00 | shut- | i'll deal with it when i get my new pc in april |
| 20:01.01 | mhall | thanks dudes lemme try it |
| 20:02.05 | janttsu | will beryl 0.2.0 come to etch packages ? :) |
| 20:02.12 | stew | janttsu: no |
| 20:02.16 | janttsu | :D |
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| 20:02.35 | cahoot | mhall: hwinfo seems to disple unique id etc |
| 20:02.35 | stew | janttsu: not officially. it will likely be available as a backport sometime after etch releases |
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| 20:02.54 | janttsu | maybe next stable? :) |
| 20:03.12 | xenome | dpkg-reconfigure not write a XF86Config-4 file? |
| 20:03.23 | xenome | err dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 20:03.28 | stew | !xmd5 |
| 20:03.28 | dpkg | If you edit your X conffile, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work. Run "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 20:03.29 | janttsu | * next stable after etch of course |
| 20:03.29 | mhall | cahoot: i'll try that |
| 20:03.41 | stew | xenome: what dpkg just said |
| 20:03.42 | hark | xenome: if you've edited it, maybe not |
| 20:04.37 | jelly | !etch+1 |
| 20:04.37 | dpkg | Ask me about <lenny>. |
| 20:04.54 | jelly | dpkg: tell me about lenny |
| 20:05.05 | enouf | stew: I recall gravityboy talking about a borkage in Xmd5 checksum? .. something new happening soon |
| 20:05.09 | jelly | dpkg: what is lenny? |
| 20:05.10 | dpkg | jelly: I think you lost me on that one |
| 20:05.21 | jelly | !lenny |
| 20:05.22 | dpkg | from memory, lenny is the codename for the Debian release that will follow Debian 4.0. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 20:07.12 | hark | enouf: ah, I've noticed that too. It dosen't matter if you've edited the file before.. |
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| 20:08.10 | krang | so man ntpdate tells me that using it with cron is "no substitute for the NTP daemon". If all I want to do is set my clock from a single source and keep it synched, what are the important differences? |
| 20:08.18 | Caelum | ahh, there's an export passwords add-on for firefox, lovely, I can continue switching to linux as primary machine... |
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| 20:09.11 | cahoot | krang: the system isn't up 24/7? |
| 20:09.12 | stew | enouf: the thing that has changed is that you no longer need to worry about the md5 in xorg when running dpkg-reconfigure |
| 20:09.31 | enouf | hark: I'm not sure if it's realted to recent Xorg install borkage (missing keys/mouse, etc) .. but something new scheduled for 2.6.20 (called update something or other) |
| 20:09.38 | krang | cahoot: yup it is, with the occasional interruption, of course |
| 20:09.44 | enouf | stew ok |
| 20:10.10 | stew | !literal cmd: drxxorg (.*?) |
| 20:10.11 | dpkg | "cmd: drxxorg (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> $1: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5>" |
| 20:10.43 | stew | !no cmd: drxxorg (.*?) is ($1): <reply> $1: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. |
| 20:10.44 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 20:10.49 | cahoot | krang: use ntpd then (install ntp) |
| 20:11.21 | krang | cahoot: Oh, I see that's the common wisdom, I'm just trying to understand why ntpd is so much better than ntpdate/cron |
| 20:11.23 | enouf | stew: oh so it still applies to Xfree86, but not Xorg? .. or am I dense |
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| 20:12.03 | cahoot | krang: I suppose the main difference is you avoid 'jumps' if you use ntpd |
| 20:12.43 | cahoot | krang: clock difference is adjusted gradually with ntpd |
| 20:12.56 | krang | cahoot: I suppose that's a pretty big distinction, but the clocks are unlikely to drift very far in a day :-) |
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| 20:13.22 | krang | cahoot: still, regardless of actual practical considerations, I guess the ntpd way is just "better" |
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| 20:14.51 | enouf | krang: belive it or not the quarts crystal that vibrates at 32,768Hz on most mobos, is notoriously inaccurate |
| 20:15.03 | enouf | er quartz :-) |
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| 20:16.38 | peope | Is there any faster mirror than security.debian.org? |
| 20:17.00 | shut- | what the things like kde |
| 20:17.01 | shut- | ? |
| 20:17.27 | stew | peope: security.debian.org has no official mirrors. ftp.de.debian.org has (or at least used to have) an unofficial mirror |
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| 20:17.39 | peope | stew: thank you |
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| 20:18.03 | scud | what is debian's version of chkconfig and rc-update? |
| 20:18.14 | stew | !red hat tools |
| 20:18.15 | dpkg | If you're a (former) Red Hat tool looking for Red Hat Tools on debian, you won't find many. But: chkconfig={sysvconfig,sysv-rc-conf,rcconf,update-rc.d}; service=invoke-rc.d; kudzu=discover; rc.local=bootmisc; etc. |
| 20:18.17 | panthera | stew: ftp.de.d.o still has mirrors security.d.o |
| 20:18.29 | stew | panthera: thanks, good to know |
| 20:18.34 | Ebbs | enouf, hi again, now im continuing, in synaptic the declaration of the kernel image package says: "This package is for transition only." Should I really take this package only for short time, or is it a warning, that I neednt to take too serious? |
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| 20:20.07 | enouf | Ebbs: do you truly have Etch .. or just running a backported kernel? |
| 20:20.13 | nceterval | Hello, I'm using a frequently upgraded (apt-get upgrade) Debian Sid box and I have been having problems with mplayer, vlc, and amarok for the past few weeks. All three of them segfault immediately after I launch them. I haven't had problems with anything else. How can I fix this? |
| 20:20.18 | stew | Ebbs: you can safely remove that package or safely ignore it. it was just their to bring in some dependencies |
| 20:20.21 | JOSF | Does anyone know what the --debian switch *exactly* does in 'python setup.py install --debian' ? |
| 20:20.25 | Ebbs | enouf, ive truely etch |
| 20:20.26 | enouf | Ebbs: cat /etc/debian_version says what? |
| 20:20.33 | JOSF | I do not find it documented via Google |
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| 20:20.50 | abrotman | JOSF: where did the setup.py come from ? |
| 20:20.53 | LightKnight | Did anybody install the latest mozilla-plugin-vlc in Etch? Does it actually work? I still experience #400720, that is "(no video)" when I try to play any media file. |
| 20:20.55 | xenome | if I don't have the documentation for my LCD, is there a way to get the correct settings? X appears configuring the display a little too big |
| 20:21.01 | Ebbs | enouf, 4.0 |
| 20:21.04 | shut- | how long does debain take to download? |
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| 20:21.08 | enouf | Ebbs: how did you end up with a 2.6.17/18 kernel built with GCC 3.3.x ? |
| 20:21.09 | stew | shut-: 42 |
| 20:21.17 | shut- | 42mins |
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| 20:21.20 | shut- | on windows? |
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| 20:21.24 | JOSF | It is the generic python setup.py |
| 20:21.25 | shwag | how can I see who is logged into my machine via SFTP ? I can't see them with 'w' or 'who' |
| 20:21.33 | stew | shut-: it depends on what you are downloading and your internet connection speed |
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| 20:21.35 | hark | xenome: try hwinfo --monitor or just choose medium in the config |
| 20:21.37 | LightKnight | (yes, I *did* restart the browser :P) |
| 20:21.38 | Ebbs | enouf, it was a kernel package I made, while working with sarge! |
| 20:21.53 | JOSF | abrotman: It is from 'kaa' |
| 20:22.08 | xenome | hark: I tried medium, but my mouse also seems to be sporatically clicking on things |
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| 20:22.21 | xenome | I guess something is really screwed up, but I used all the default settings |
| 20:22.22 | DemonJester | LightKnight: same problem here still |
| 20:22.32 | LightKnight | damn :-/ |
| 20:22.33 | enouf | Ebbs: ok .. that's a transitional meta-package .. and if you upgrade forrm sarge->etch WITHOUT it .. you will have your running kernel removed .. |
| 20:22.46 | hark | xenome: what exactly is the problem? |
| 20:22.57 | shut- | ok |
| 20:23.08 | enouf | Ebbs: but should not effect you .. but lemmee find the bug # once again |
| 20:23.10 | Ebbs | enouf, so whr |
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| 20:23.13 | LightKnight | DemonJester: you too using 0.8.6-svn20061012.debian-4? |
| 20:23.13 | JOSF | abrotman: The command-line options are from the generic setup.py installer as it seems, since I see no such stuff in the setup.py of 'kaa' |
| 20:23.30 | Ebbs | enouf, so where do you get your "stock" kernels from? |
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| 20:23.54 | nceterval | No suggestions for my earlier question about certain multimedia apps segfaulting on Sid? |
| 20:24.06 | xenome | hark: two problems, X doesn't fit my screen appropriately, and my as I move my mouse around it's like it's randomly clicking on things because they tend to start dragging if I hold my mouse over them for a small amount of time |
| 20:24.28 | xenome | I'm using /dev/input/mouse which appears to work (minus this small problem) |
| 20:24.42 | enouf | Ebbs: bah .. I lost the bug# .. anyway I get mine from Officail Debian mirrors |
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| 20:24.58 | DemonJester | LightKnight: I believe that is the version but it is on my desktop at home so I cant be 100% sure |
| 20:25.05 | enouf | Ebbs: the /etc/apt/sources.list is the way |
| 20:25.06 | hark | xenome: what driver did you pick and what graphics card? |
| 20:25.20 | rbonnin | Hi! What is the meaning of getting "-" in PID column using netstat -p? |
| 20:25.25 | xenome | nv, I have a geforce |
| 20:25.25 | enouf | Ebbs: in conjunction with apt-get install |
| 20:25.57 | enouf | !tell Ebbs -about debian mantra |
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| 20:26.54 | enouf | Ebbs: but apt-cache show linux-image should show you the latest available stable kernels for etch ..(if sources.list is in order) |
| 20:27.12 | LightKnight | DemonJester: OK, thank you for now :) |
| 20:27.18 | Ebbs | enouf, k |
| 20:27.23 | hark | xenome: that seems to be fine. If you've chosen the right resolution during the reconfigure, it can be because of incorrect hsync and VertRef values. |
| 20:27.48 | enouf | Ebbs: ooops apt-cache search linux-image I meant |
| 20:27.49 | hark | xenome: check /var/log/Xfree86.0.log to be sure |
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| 20:28.05 | hark | xenome: or something similar there |
| 20:28.27 | enouf | Ebbs: apt-cache show <pkgname> will show you details/description about specific pkg |
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| 20:28.38 | enouf | and more .. |
| 20:29.04 | f4en | can someone show me how to get dhcp to stop ovewriting the nameservers I manually add? |
| 20:29.20 | _paulfm | hey - can some kind soul please tell me how in install devx_213.sfs .... can I do this using a puppy GUI client? |
| 20:29.42 | _paulfm | oops.. wrong channel |
| 20:29.45 | xenome | well I think I'm going to try unstable, does it pull it's x server from x.org? |
| 20:29.46 | etatoby | can anybody point me to the right docs on installing python packages in debian? I did an apt-get install python-setuptools, but it still isn't accessible from python |
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| 20:30.03 | enouf | !puppysmite _paulfm |
| 20:30.18 | etatoby | I think I need to do something with python-central ar such, but I don't understand what |
| 20:30.18 | Irrumator | xenome: it does - xorg 7.1 |
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| 20:30.39 | Ebbs | enouf, but you agree, that there is no kernel image for arch 686 with smp support on the official mirrors? |
| 20:30.40 | _paulfm | stew: That kernel switch worked!... but I was copying a kernel from a live cd so it had some weirds init scripts... I will try and do the sme from an hd install... the audio driver loaded and I got sound. |
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| 20:30.54 | enouf | Ebbs: no I don't |
| 20:30.59 | stew | _paulfm: cool |
| 20:31.19 | enouf | Ebbs: all kernels after 2.6.17 are SMP enabled AFAIK |
| 20:31.25 | _paulfm | stew: Is it reasonable to assume that getting the driver source from the puppy distro and building that under etch would give me a working driver without having to use their kernel? |
| 20:31.28 | stew | enouf: yes |
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| 20:31.41 | _paulfm | stew it tha man |
| 20:31.48 | _paulfm | hmmm.. 1 more time |
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| 20:31.54 | _paulfm | stew IS the man |
| 20:31.56 | stew | _paulfm: yeah, probably. are you running the puppy kernel now? |
| 20:32.07 | _paulfm | stew: yes |
| 20:32.30 | _paulfm | stew: but I wold rather keep the debian kernel for future upgrades |
| 20:32.47 | Ebbs | enouf, k and thank you |
| 20:32.58 | stew | _paulfm: which gcc version does "cat /proc/version" report it was compiled with? |
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| 20:33.11 | enouf | Ebbs: yw |
| 20:33.14 | _paulfm | stew: lemme see |
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| 20:33.49 | etatoby | help! why is stuff installed in /usr/share/pycentral/python-setuptools/site-packages/ instead of /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages ? how do I use those packages? |
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| 20:35.40 | xenome | hark: looks like the mouse problem is my microsoft USB mouse, my logictech mouse works fine |
| 20:36.32 | g333k_work | hello, where can I get the shutdown source from? |
| 20:36.39 | _paulfm | stew: gcc 3.4.4 |
| 20:37.02 | _paulfm | stew: the makefile that they used is much different though |
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| 20:37.12 | _paulfm | stew: for their sound driver build |
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| 20:37.40 | stew | _paulfm: well it means that you should consider trying to build liek you were before, but "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 ; export HOSTCC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" first |
| 20:37.47 | stew | _paulfm: well after you apt-get install gcc3-4 |
| 20:37.50 | hark | g333k_work: sysvinit is the package |
| 20:37.53 | stew | err gcc-3.4 |
| 20:38.13 | _paulfm | stew: am going to try that right now |
| 20:38.33 | stew | _paulfm: oh wait |
| 20:38.40 | stew | _paulfm: don't bother tring that right now |
| 20:38.51 | stew | _paulfm: you'd have to rebuid the entire kernel with 3.4, not just that module |
| 20:38.51 | Keith_S | hi guys, am i correct in thinking the following rule will allow me to ping my server but only for 3 seconds. |
| 20:38.53 | hark | xenome: ah, and for the freqs, you can install hwinfo and run hwinfo --monitor |
| 20:38.57 | Keith_S | ptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m limit --limit 3/second --limit-burst 50 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:39.00 | Keith_S | ptables -A INPUT -p icmp --icmp-type echo-request -m limit --limit 3/second --limit-burst 50 -j ACCEPT |
| 20:39.03 | Keith_S | soz. |
| 20:39.06 | _paulfm | stew: oh |
| 20:39.14 | _paulfm | stew: gotcha |
| 20:39.45 | _paulfm | stew: well will try their source first and see what happens... using gcc 4.2.2 |
| 20:39.59 | stew | _paulfm: if the module's gcc version doesn't at least approximately match the kenrel's, the kernel won't load the module |
| 20:40.40 | _paulfm | stew: ahaa... good to know. |
| 20:40.55 | stew | !wrong module format |
| 20:41.01 | DemonJester | LightKnight: I just remoted into my home machine and the version is mozilla-plugin 0.8.6-svn20061 |
| 20:41.01 | stew | or something |
| 20:41.27 | _paulfm | 10-4 - I was getting that when I copied their module to etch |
| 20:42.12 | LightKnight | DemonJester: It actually works -- maybe it's just my awfully painfully slow DSL. Thankyou anyhow (and update to latest Etch version if you can :) ) |
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| 20:46.49 | ohad | hi, how do i change root@host to root@fullauthDomain? |
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| 20:47.18 | peope | What protocol should i use i XF86Config for an usb mouse? |
| 20:47.31 | enouf | edit /etc/hostname or similar |
| 20:47.32 | liran_ | ohad: you change your hostname, check the hostname command. |
| 20:47.35 | stew | stew@catfish:~ $ echo "root@host" | sed 's/host/fullauthDomain/' |
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| 20:47.49 | g333k_work | hark, I have the pkg, now where is the source? |
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| 20:47.53 | stew | peope: ExplorerPS/2 and /dev/input/mice |
| 20:48.10 | peope | stew: thank you |
| 20:48.31 | stew | peope: make sure you have the "usbmouse" and "mousedev" modules listed in /etc/modules |
| 20:49.11 | hark | g333k_work: uh.. how did you get the source package? |
| 20:49.59 | stew | g333k_work: apt-get source sysvinit |
| 20:50.04 | etatoby | does anybody know how to use python-central to make packages actually available to python? |
| 20:50.47 | stew | etatoby: http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy |
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| 20:52.17 | etatoby | stew: that's kind of geared towards package maintainers... I just want to use the packages I installed with apt-get |
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| 20:53.06 | stew | etatoby: you shouldn't need to know anything then |
| 20:53.11 | stew | etatoby: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 20:53.40 | xenome | hark: the lines from hwinfo don't work...the display says values out of range |
| 20:53.46 | hark | etatoby: try /usr/share/doc/python-central |
| 20:53.48 | eldowan | in kde and gnome, both using different apps, sftp only prompts for a password one time per host per login. how can I change this to prompt every time? I don't think it is a kde or gnome specific problem, as both do it. |
| 20:54.25 | stew | really, en end-user shouldn't need to know that python-central even exists |
| 20:54.27 | FarrisG | Are there any simple, F/OSS apps for generating reports on web access? I suppose the data would be collected at my firewall, and shot into a DB, then pulled by a script on my web server? I feel disgusting looking into this, but my boss has finally decided that he wants us to start tracking all the porn sites our employees are going to |
| 20:54.43 | etatoby | stew: I did apt-get python-setuptools, but it installed stuff in /usr/share/pycentral/python-setuptools/site-packages/ instead of into a dir in python's path |
| 20:55.00 | etatoby | stew: in fact I cannot import it in python |
| 20:55.07 | eldowan | FarrisG: I think apache can log that type of access. you might be able to find an apache access report |
| 20:55.17 | etatoby | hark: hardly anything useful there: changelog.gz copyright |
| 20:55.41 | etatoby | stew: same problem with python-imaging |
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| 20:56.38 | stew | etatoby: what does "readlink -f $(which python)" return? |
| 20:56.45 | FarrisG | eldowan: I'm talking about tracking stuff the other direction... Not access to OUR webserver, but access to the web through our firewall |
| 20:56.50 | krang | how do I output an arbitrary range of lines in a file? i.e. lines 182335-182347? Head and tail don't look like they'll do it. |
| 20:56.58 | hark | xenome: hmm, that's interesting.. well try reducing the defaults or check the manual. Check the log also. |
| 20:57.00 | FarrisG | err, that was for eldowan |
| 20:57.03 | FarrisG | sorry etatoby |
| 20:57.08 | etatoby | stew: it says /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 20:57.16 | twobitsprite | can someone recommend a commandline ogg vorbis player? I'm using madplay right now for mp3's, so thats kinda what I'm looking for |
| 20:57.25 | eldowan | FarrisG: aah, you can set iptables to log packets outbound on port 80 to a specific file IIRC |
| 20:57.25 | etatoby | stew: but I'm actually trying to use python2.5 |
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| 20:57.31 | kiba | hello |
| 20:57.41 | etatoby | stew: the program I want to install requires it |
| 20:57.42 | kiba | what is the package name for that x-windowning system |
| 20:57.44 | kiba | ? |
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| 20:57.52 | etatoby | stew: libprs500 |
| 20:57.59 | stew | krang: sed -n 182335,182347p |
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| 20:58.17 | krang | stew: cheers |
| 20:58.17 | hark | kiba: x-window-system is the metapackage |
| 20:58.23 | kiba | thanks |
| 20:58.31 | stew | twobitsprite: ogg123 |
| 20:58.47 | kiba | hmm |
| 20:58.57 | twobitsprite | stew: I don't see that in apt... |
| 20:59.12 | stew | twobitsprite: its in vorbistools |
| 20:59.19 | stew | (iirc) |
| 20:59.26 | kiba | Hmm |
| 20:59.31 | kiba | how do you scroll in irssi? |
| 20:59.41 | twobitsprite | stew: ahh... vorbis-tools is the correct package, thanks |
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| 20:59.56 | janttsu | kiba: page up / page down |
| 21:00.29 | g333k_work | hi, what shoudl I do if I wanted to compile statically the shutdown program? |
| 21:00.33 | etatoby | stew: that's it, I can see python-central packages from python2.4 (aka python) but not from python2.5 |
| 21:00.36 | kiba | thanks |
| 21:00.42 | etatoby | stew: what can I do? |
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| 21:01.03 | stew | etatoby: i'm not sure, i'm looking |
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| 21:02.54 | kiba | hmmm |
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| 21:03.14 | kiba | couldn't apt-get x-window-system for some reason |
| 21:03.26 | RvGaTe | How can i add an user, without allowing him ssh access ? |
| 21:03.33 | kiba | say something about broken packages and stuff that is not going to be installed |
| 21:03.33 | Reiser_X | URGENT: somebody here know something about gnugk ? |
| 21:03.49 | etatoby | kiba: try using aptitude, it will tell you what's wrong |
| 21:03.54 | Reiser_X | stoned: Hi |
| 21:04.11 | Reiser_X | stoned: have you worked with GNUGK ? |
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| 21:05.59 | etatoby | RvGaTe: adduser --shell /bin/false |
| 21:06.05 | twobitsprite | !ask Reiser_X |
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| 21:06.11 | twobitsprite | !ask |
| 21:06.12 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 21:06.48 | shwag | How can I throttle the amount of bandwidth users on my server use via sftp ? |
| 21:06.56 | Reiser_X | i installed in one machine |
| 21:07.13 | Reiser_X | from another machine i use gnomemeeting to connect |
| 21:07.22 | Reiser_X | but |
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| 21:07.32 | xand | URGENT: too lazy |
| 21:07.47 | Reiser_X | this don't ask for pasword |
| 21:08.00 | peope | stew: I added the modules and updated XF86Config.. but the mouse will not work. Any ideas? |
| 21:08.04 | etatoby | shwag: scp and sftp use port 22 and no TCP_MINDELAY flag |
| 21:08.06 | peope | Ran the modules too of course |
| 21:08.08 | Reiser_X | and i created the users using passwd |
| 21:08.15 | stew | peope: "modprobe mousedev ; modprobe usbmouse" and try again |
| 21:08.16 | shwag | etatoby: what is TCP_MINDELAY ? |
| 21:08.24 | peope | stew: did that |
| 21:08.30 | etatoby | shwag: use the shaping tools to shape that kind of traffic |
| 21:08.33 | stew | peope: what is the error you are getting? |
| 21:08.36 | etatoby | shwag: it's an IP flag |
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| 21:08.49 | etatoby | shwag: a flag in IP packets |
| 21:08.53 | kiba | how do you move up and down in a terminal |
| 21:09.01 | kiba | I can't see part of the help contents in apt |
| 21:09.07 | peope | stew: no error. The mouse just do not work |
| 21:09.18 | ofer0 | kiba, shift + page up |
| 21:09.18 | etatoby | shwag: you can use it to tell sftp apart from interactive ssh sessions |
| 21:09.23 | kiba | thanks |
| 21:09.27 | shwag | etatoby: even sftp tranfers use TCP_MINDELAY, that seems silly. |
| 21:09.28 | stew | peope: x starts? you just can't move the mouse? |
| 21:09.30 | peope | Doesnt move at all |
| 21:09.33 | peope | stew: yes |
| 21:09.50 | shwag | etatoby: if they both have the same properties, how do I tell them apart ? |
| 21:09.53 | etatoby | shwag: are you sure they do? |
| 21:10.06 | kiba | doesn't seem to work though |
| 21:10.15 | shwag | etatoby: oh...you are saying they dont. okay...i should check on it. |
| 21:10.22 | shwag | etatoby: maybe a job for ethereal |
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| 21:10.33 | etatoby | shwag: ;) |
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| 21:10.57 | enouf | !tell kiba about set up x |
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| 21:11.05 | peope | wrong protocol perhaps? |
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| 21:11.45 | kiba | hmmm |
| 21:11.56 | kiba | I couldn't setup x system |
| 21:12.01 | kiba | tell me unmet packages |
| 21:12.08 | enouf | kiba: cat /etc/debian_version says ? |
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| 21:13.04 | kiba | enouf: doesn't do anything |
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| 21:13.56 | etatoby | kiba: do you have a /etc/debian_version file? |
| 21:13.56 | enouf | you're probably not running Debian then |
| 21:14.09 | kiba | why |
| 21:14.10 | peope | stew: any ideas? |
| 21:14.14 | kiba | I am really running Debian |
| 21:14.20 | kiba | I did download it from Debian |
| 21:14.22 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 21:14.23 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of herring, a little vegemite, and 42 starving kittens. And keep the KGB off my back for the next few hours! |
| 21:14.23 | kiba | so therefore it is Debian |
| 21:14.35 | Guerin | kiba: if you did, it'd have an /etc/debian_version file |
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| 21:14.55 | stew | kiba: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy" into a pasetbin? |
| 21:15.27 | stew | peope: i don't know |
| 21:15.33 | kiba | hmm |
| 21:15.34 | peope | stew: ok.. thanks for helping this far |
| 21:15.41 | kiba | I install packages withou authernation |
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| 21:15.44 | enouf | !tell peope about usbmouse |
| 21:16.05 | kiba | stew: I don't know how to copy stuff in terminal |
| 21:16.14 | kiba | and even if I can, I don't have a browser |
| 21:16.16 | helo | what's the name of the package that allows one to use one mouse and keyboard to control multiple physical machines? |
| 21:16.38 | helo | dragging your cursor from screen to screen relatively seamlessly... |
| 21:16.40 | stew | kiba: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed:" |
| 21:16.44 | stew | helo: x2x ? |
| 21:16.48 | helo | no... |
| 21:16.54 | DemonJester | helo: synergy |
| 21:16.56 | stew | x2vnc? |
| 21:16.57 | helo | yeah, thanks |
| 21:17.04 | kiba | I can't drag mouse |
| 21:17.09 | kiba | mouse don't show |
| 21:17.20 | Mazingaro | hi |
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| 21:17.48 | Mazingaro | please is there a way to use a normal browser to insert data in a mysql database? |
| 21:17.51 | hark | kiba: are you presently chatting from the same machine? |
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| 21:18.05 | stew | kiba: what does "apt-cache policy libc6" say for "Installed: " ? |
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| 21:19.16 | noclue123 | hi does anyone know why there is an account named "proxy" in /etc/passwd |
| 21:19.47 | stew | noclue123: did you install squid or something? |
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| 21:19.55 | noclue123 | no |
| 21:20.14 | stew | noclue123: grep proxy /var/lib/dpkg/info/*postinst |
| 21:20.24 | DemonJester | Mazingaro: phpmyadmin works through a browser |
| 21:20.30 | stew | noclue123: see if that turns up any packages |
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| 21:20.39 | noclue123 | thanks stew |
| 21:20.42 | kiba | 2.3.16.dsl-10 |
| 21:20.53 | stew | kiba: so you are running debian unstable |
| 21:20.54 | kiba | is what apt-cache policy libc6 say |
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| 21:21.00 | kiba | stew: is that bad? |
| 21:21.05 | aitherios | someone here succeded in compiling texas intruments card reader driver for 2.6.18 kernel? |
| 21:21.30 | kiba | I want some gooey goodies badly... |
| 21:21.33 | stew | kiba: probably. what exactly is the problem you are having that is prventing you from installing the x-window-system pacakge? |
| 21:22.02 | kiba | the following packages have unmet dependencies |
| 21:22.13 | kiba | stew: I don't want to be stuck with old versions so I moved to stable |
| 21:22.17 | kiba | I mean unstable |
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| 21:22.47 | stew | kiba: you should be prepared to fix dependency problems yourself if you are going to run unstable |
| 21:22.58 | stew | kiba: what is a package with an unmet depedency? |
| 21:23.08 | kiba | don't know |
| 21:23.21 | stew | kiba: type "apt-get install xorg" |
| 21:23.27 | stew | kiba: if there is an error, tell us what it is |
| 21:23.34 | RvGaTe | etatoby, thx :) |
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| 21:24.28 | noclue123 | stew: nothing turned up on grep proxy ... does that mean there is no package using this account? |
| 21:24.33 | graytron | shouldn't everyone who uses Debian be able to fix problems by themselves, otherwise they'd use Ubuntu |
| 21:24.55 | stew | noclue123: no, that is inconclusve. you also might try *config |
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| 21:25.08 | noclue123 | ok |
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| 21:25.33 | etatoby | RvGaTe: you could also put an AllowUsers line in /etc/ssh/sshd_config to only allow access to those who need it |
| 21:25.35 | noclue123 | stew: nothing in *config either |
| 21:25.44 | kiba | brb |
| 21:25.50 | eldowan | graytron: once they get acquainted, i would immagine so. but everyone starts somewhare... :D besides why force someone to use ubuntu if they want the real desl?? :D |
| 21:25.50 | etatoby | RvGaTe: or do both for added security |
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| 21:26.08 | eldowan | stoned: didn't crash yet? |
| 21:27.16 | graytron | eldowan: i agree |
| 21:27.37 | kiba | "Since you request one operation it is likely that the package is simply uninstallable...." |
| 21:27.51 | eldowan | graytron: I started knowing nothing and playing with debian in a VM in windows, and not I only use windows if needed, and through a VM then. :D |
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| 21:28.18 | stew | kiba: there should have been an error above that |
| 21:28.28 | stew | kiba: complaining about some uninstallable dependency or something |
| 21:28.29 | graytron | eldowan: sorry to hear you need to use Windows |
| 21:28.44 | kiba | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
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| 21:30.08 | kiba | kdelibs4: Depends kdelib bin (= 4:3.3.2-6.4) |
| 21:30.46 | kiba | Depends: xbase clients but it is not going to be installed |
| 21:30.49 | stew | kiba: thats a stable pacakge, not an unstable one. you can't mix stable and unstable. you need to finish upgarding to unstable |
| 21:31.05 | etatoby | kiba: as I suggested before, run aptitude (with ne arguments) and let it guide you through the process |
| 21:31.06 | stew | kiba: do you have stable or unstable sources in /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 21:31.21 | twobitsprite | so when is etch being release? *ducks* |
| 21:31.24 | kiba | I have two unstable links |
| 21:31.26 | graytron | tomorrow |
| 21:31.36 | kiba | and one unstable links which link to security.debian I think |
| 21:31.45 | twobitsprite | graytron: for real? or you just joking? |
| 21:31.48 | Guerin | mañana |
| 21:31.50 | stew | kiba: you can remove the security line |
| 21:31.54 | graytron | twobitsprite: nah.. actually 42 days from now |
| 21:31.56 | Guerin | mañana mañana |
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| 21:32.07 | twobitsprite | "tomorrow never comes" eh? |
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| 21:32.14 | stew | twobitsprite: /topic |
| 21:32.24 | Kesha_NNM | !ru |
| 21:32.25 | dpkg | rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 21:32.43 | graytron | did you notice: Number concerning the next release (excluding ignored and not-in-testing): 99 |
| 21:33.02 | kiba | hmmm |
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| 21:33.10 | Guerin | graytron: couple hours work |
| 21:33.16 | kiba | how to get out of editing mode in vim? |
| 21:33.16 | graytron | Guerin: yeah |
| 21:33.22 | stew | kiba: esc |
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| 21:33.29 | thug | how do i create a simlynk ? ls -n /path /link/path ? |
| 21:33.33 | kiba | thanks |
| 21:33.37 | kiba | I learn a lot today |
| 21:33.37 | Guerin | if I didn't have to go to my granmother's birthday I'd do e'm before lunch |
| 21:33.43 | xand | thug: yes |
| 21:33.46 | xand | erm |
| 21:33.46 | Guerin | thug: help ln |
| 21:33.50 | xand | ln -s not ls -n :) |
| 21:33.53 | thug | thanks |
| 21:33.57 | thug | ok |
| 21:34.51 | graytron | i'd like to start fixing some of those bugs |
| 21:35.09 | stew | graytron: http://bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php?bydist=etch |
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| 21:36.00 | kiba | how to upgrade everything? distr-upgrade? |
| 21:36.02 | graytron | stew: thanks. is this the official unofficial bug count? |
| 21:36.42 | stew | graytron: yeah |
| 21:36.53 | Guerin | kiba: if you have to ask, you don't want to |
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| 21:37.33 | LightKnight | Problem: I start Iceweasel (or Galeon), I attach gdb on it, I load the mozilla-plugin-vlc, I play some files, then CRASH, plugin segfaults, browser goes down, gdb quits with "Segmentation fault" and no other infos, nor core, nothing. What's happening and how can I trace down the bug? |
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| 21:38.48 | kiba | I am trying to upgrade to unstable |
| 21:39.25 | LightKnight | Oh, sorry -- Debian Etch, fully upgraded. |
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| 21:40.26 | Gnurdux | LightKnight: iceweasel isnt compiled with debugging symbols |
| 21:40.45 | Gnurdux | and neither is the plugin |
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| 21:40.49 | LightKnight | Gnurdux: Yes -- i've been told later. |
| 21:41.02 | LightKnight | Gnurdux: ("Yes, you're right", of course) |
| 21:41.03 | graytron | where did greycat go |
| 21:41.08 | jair | guys if I have a file on hda1 and want to tar and gzip it,(tar.gz) in hdb1 is there a way? |
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| 21:41.53 | jair | I mean to run the command and tar it and gzip it from one place and then complete it and finish it in the destination? |
| 21:42.15 | LightKnight | jair: tar zcvf /path/to/hdb1/file.tar.gz /path/to/hda1/file.orig |
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| 21:43.09 | etatoby | jair: better: cd source; tar -czf /destination/archive.tar.gz source-files |
| 21:43.35 | etatoby | jair: otherwise /path/to/hda1/ goes in the tar archive |
| 21:44.10 | LightKnight | etatoby: Uhm, right. |
| 21:44.50 | LightKnight | Gnurdux: thank you for now :) |
| 21:45.03 | jair | LightKnight: Thank you very much |
| 21:45.09 | ZombB | I have a strange problem here, my athlon64 freezes completely without a kernel message everytime I compile something under debian. I have also tried it under gentoo with same result. I can not log into ssh. I have attached a serial cable and directed all kernel messages to a serial terminal on a notebook. Result: Compiling code my system freezes suddenly, sometimes earlier, sometimes later but without a kernel message! Any Ideas? |
| 21:45.13 | jair | etatoby: Thank you :) |
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| 21:46.20 | kiba | hmm |
| 21:46.37 | kiba | failed to fetch files on apt-get |
| 21:46.40 | kiba | wonder why this is |
| 21:47.04 | stew | kiba: have you run apt-get update? |
| 21:47.15 | kiba | yep |
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| 21:47.19 | kiba | doesn't work |
| 21:47.26 | stew | kiba: what is the deb line you are trying to use? |
| 21:47.37 | tuv | damn.. apt is hanging all over the place. isn't this kernel bug going to be fixed in debian? |
| 21:48.21 | graytron | ZombB_: hardware problem? (hard drive or memory) |
| 21:48.45 | kiba | deb ftp://debian..orgeonstate.edu/debian/ unstable main |
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| 21:49.06 | stew | kiba: debian..oregonstate.edu is not a valid hostname |
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| 21:49.25 | stew | kiba: is there a reason you are trying to use ftp instead of http? |
| 21:49.35 | graytron | ZombB_: overheating cpu |
| 21:49.38 | kiba | what is the difference, stew? |
| 21:49.53 | ZombB_ | graytron, yes, thats what I suppose. I have run memtest for 17 hours without a result. Now I am going to try it with stresslinux.org |
| 21:49.59 | kiba | I thought ftp most approiate |
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| 21:50.05 | stew | kiba: the http protocol doesn't suck as much as the ftp protocol does, and therefore has a much better chance of working through a firewall |
| 21:50.06 | kiba | file transfer protocol |
| 21:50.45 | stew | kiba: and http is faster |
| 21:50.45 | kiba | oh |
| 21:50.45 | ZombB_ | graytron, why cpu? I can play nexuiz or quake3 arena or encode video for hours wothout any problems! |
| 21:50.45 | graytron | ZombB_: just a hunch |
| 21:51.05 | graytron | ZombB_: what's your cpu? |
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| 21:51.25 | graytron | maybe your cpu doesn't heat as much when playing quake 3 as when you compile something with gcc |
| 21:51.28 | ZombB_ | graytron, amd athlon64, running debian amd64 |
| 21:51.53 | stew | ZombB_: have you run memetest86? |
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| 21:52.23 | ZombB_ | graytron, yes as I said, for about 17 hours without any mistakes! |
| 21:52.38 | HardDisk_WP | quitting...good night |
| 21:52.57 | graytron | how does amd athlon64 handle cpu overheating? |
| 21:53.21 | kingsley_ | How can one tell if a CPU has an MMX unit? |
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| 21:53.31 | Guerin | kingsley_: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:53.38 | kiba | hmmm |
| 21:53.41 | kiba | wonder why |
| 21:53.41 | graytron | well memtest86 is probably as exhaustive as gcc |
| 21:53.57 | Guerin | graytron: cpuburn! |
| 21:54.06 | Guerin | graytron: (use with caution, it means what it says) |
| 21:54.06 | kingsley_ | Guerin: Thank you. |
| 21:54.30 | kiba | wonder why it won't fetch any sources |
| 21:54.32 | x_link | Hi |
| 21:54.40 | stew | kiba: what is the deb line you are using now? |
| 21:54.42 | kingsley_ | graytron: apt-get install xmbmon cpuburn |
| 21:54.46 | x_link | Is it bad/good to have more than one repository? |
| 21:54.54 | graytron | ZombB_: do you have any proprietary code in your kernel? |
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| 21:55.09 | graytron | Guerin & kingsley: thanks for helping ZombB |
| 21:55.23 | kingsley_ | graytron: My box has been hanging intermittantly, and the "burnMMX" box just hung it immediately. |
| 21:55.27 | x_link | kingsley_: Now when you said xmbmon, I did apt-get install xmbmon for 2 minutes ago. It worked. But when i do "xmbmon" in Run Command or in my konsole then nothing happens. |
| 21:55.30 | ZombB_ | graytron, no, stock debian kernel 2.6.18 / 2.6.17 amd64 |
| 21:55.41 | kiba | http://debian.orgeonstate.edu/debian/ unstabe main |
| 21:55.57 | kingsley_ | x_link: Are you running xmbmon as root? |
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| 21:56.13 | stew | kiba: can you "ping debian.orgeonstate.edu" ? |
| 21:56.20 | x_link | kingsley_: I tried both |
| 21:56.22 | kiba | I'll try |
| 21:56.24 | x_link | I have mbmon now |
| 21:56.29 | x_link | But it doesn't show the right emp |
| 21:56.39 | x_link | It shows 33C, but in BIOS it says 38 |
| 21:56.46 | graytron | ZombB_: did you see kingsley's and Guerin's messages? |
| 21:57.16 | kiba | unknown host |
| 21:57.20 | kiba | does this mean it is down? |
| 21:57.25 | stew | kiba: you ahve a dns problem |
| 21:57.27 | stew | kiba: its not down |
| 21:57.28 | kingsley_ | x_link: I don't know about your box, but when I run "xmbmon -fahrn true", a graphical window pops up with temperature graphs. |
| 21:57.30 | Guerin | kingsley_: no, it means your dns is broken |
| 21:57.34 | kiba | how to fix this? |
| 21:57.34 | Guerin | bah, sorry kingsley_ |
| 21:57.37 | x_link | ok |
| 21:57.45 | Guerin | kiba: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 21:57.45 | x_link | I just did "xmbmon" |
| 21:57.56 | starfishy | i am trying to get tftpd-hpa to run but only get "Socket operation on non-socket" |
| 21:58.04 | stew | bah |
| 21:58.06 | x_link | kingsley_: |
| 21:58.07 | x_link | Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server |
| 21:58.07 | x_link | Xlib: No protocol specified |
| 21:58.07 | x_link | Error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
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| 21:58.10 | stew | people shouldn't be using 4.2.2.4 |
| 21:58.11 | ma3x | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:58.29 | stew | kiba: do you know what your isp's nameserver is? |
| 21:58.30 | starfishy | the trace shows that it does open the socket and connect |
| 21:58.37 | kiba | stew: no? |
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| 21:58.57 | kiba | no... |
| 21:59.02 | starfishy | and the fcntl64 operations return 0 |
| 21:59.04 | stew | kiba: do you have a static ip? or do you use dhcp? |
| 21:59.10 | starfishy | but setsockopt fails with ENOTSOCK |
| 21:59.12 | kiba | dhcp |
| 21:59.25 | stew | dpkg: you should get a nameserver assigned when you get an ip via dhcp |
| 22:00.16 | stew | err |
| 22:00.21 | stew | not dpkg.. |
| 22:00.54 | stew | or anyone for that matter, look at the time! its beer o'clock! |
| 22:00.58 | ZombB_ | graytron, I have just tried booting stresslinux.org and when I boot the cd messages scroll by on my screen and than the system freezes! |
| 22:01.09 | cydork | heh |
| 22:01.16 | kingsley_ | Does anyone here happen to know how to interpret an elevated CPU temperature (over 160 degrees fahrenheit) after running the diagnostic utility named "burnBX", and a system hang immediately after running "burnMMX"? |
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| 22:01.26 | Kesha_NNM | !ru |
| 22:01.27 | dpkg | rumour has it, ru is Russian speakers, please use (Pogalujsta, zajdite na) (Pazhaluista, zahodite na) #debian-russian @ irc.freenode.net |
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| 22:04.01 | kiba | I wonder how to fix the dns problem |
| 22:04.03 | kiba | I am sleepy |
| 22:04.27 | solemnwarning | Are there any programs I can use to record 3d stuff thats on my screen? |
| 22:04.34 | solemnwarning | xvidcap only seems to support 2d |
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| 22:05.58 | Caelum | what's the package for acrobat reader called? |
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| 22:07.15 | dondelelcaro | Caelum: there isn't one, because we can't legally distribute it |
| 22:07.58 | dondelelcaro | there is an acroread in marillat's repositories, but... |
| 22:08.02 | cydork | Caelum: how ever you can get it from http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 22:08.17 | kiba | stew: so...how do I fix this? |
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| 22:08.28 | Guerin | Caelum: use evince, xpdf or gv |
| 22:08.42 | Guerin | kiba: i told you |
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| 22:09.07 | Guerin | kiba: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
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| 22:10.13 | levent_ | I have a debian router. But I need to setup vlans on Windows XP machines. Please somebody tell me can I do this with NIC's which drivers do NOT suport VLAN's.I mean can I do this on OS level? |
| 22:10.15 | kiba | hmm |
| 22:10.33 | kiba | so how do I find out the nameserver of my ISP? |
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| 22:11.29 | h3sp4wn | levent_: vlan's are done by the switch usually |
| 22:12.25 | Athas | Is there a guide to setting up wireless networks The Debian Way? |
| 22:12.31 | LightKnight | kiba: doesn't it provide a help page on its site somewhere? |
| 22:12.37 | jin | hey guys any update on beryl package in unstable? dpkg says they are in but i cant find them |
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| 22:12.55 | h3sp4wn | Athas: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz |
| 22:13.00 | kiba | what? |
| 22:13.04 | kiba | bellsouth? |
| 22:13.23 | cydork | jin: i dont think they are there yet. |
| 22:13.25 | Athas | h3sp4wn: thanks. |
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| 22:13.35 | jin | heya cydork |
| 22:13.44 | h3sp4wn | Athas: There is no similar integration for hostapd into /etc/network/interfaces though (as far as I know) |
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| 22:14.10 | levent_ | h3sp4wn: we have level 2 managed switches, but we need to tag packets on windows xp machines, too. Is it possible on OS level, not on NIC's driver? |
| 22:14.14 | cydork | jin: hiya :) |
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| 22:14.19 | jin | cydork, myself desperately waiting for beryl packages.. its site also says they must be in |
| 22:14.28 | Guerin | jin: BTFS |
| 22:14.36 | Athas | h3sp4wn: is wpasupplicant needed for connecting to a shared key WEP-encrypted WLAN? |
| 22:14.43 | Guerin | Athas: no |
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| 22:14.58 | Guerin | Athas: wpasupplicant is needed for WPA networks |
| 22:15.00 | h3sp4wn | Athas: Not needed but you can use it if you want to |
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| 22:15.13 | Guerin | Athas: wep networks just require you to set key and ssid |
| 22:15.34 | h3sp4wn | Athas: /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/examples/wep.conf |
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| 22:15.51 | cydork | jin: nope not yet! |
| 22:16.01 | Athas | h3sp4wn: thanks again. |
| 22:16.05 | h3sp4wn | Athas: or man wireless |
| 22:16.18 | jin | cydork, yeah.. |
| 22:16.47 | h3sp4wn | Athas: (I don't remember what provides that man page though) |
| 22:17.06 | Guerin | h3sp4wn: wireless-tools |
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| 22:18.27 | Caelum | dondelelcaro, cydork, Guerin: thank you |
| 22:19.16 | LightKnight | kiba: Enter the IP addresses specified for your state in order into the Name server addr (or DNS Servers) field: GA - 205.152.37.23, 205.152.144.23; FL - 205.152.144.23, 205.152.132.23; AL/KY/NC/SC – 205.152.37.23, 205.152.132.23; LA/MS/TN – 205.152.132.23, 205.152.37.23. |
| 22:19.39 | LightKnight | http://help.bellsouth.net/bellsouth/asp/contentview.asp?isbrowse=true&sprt_cid=8fca12e7%2D38dc%2D46d9%2D9b63%2Da51c63a2ba6d |
| 22:20.23 | Guerin | LightKnight: make sure you get the sover platter back off him |
| 22:20.29 | Guerin | bah, the silver platter |
| 22:20.35 | MarcoPau | I have a problem compiling some nforce drivers... can anybody check the log if I dcc send it? |
| 22:20.41 | kiba | everything seem to be ok... now |
| 22:20.48 | Guerin | MarcoPau: put it on paster |
| 22:20.49 | LightKnight | Guerin: what do you mean? :) |
| 22:21.05 | xand | !paste |
| 22:21.06 | dpkg | it has been said that paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:21.07 | kiba | LightKnight: thanks |
| 22:21.13 | LightKnight | kiba: YW :) |
| 22:21.16 | kiba | sorry to bothers you guys with all my simple question |
| 22:21.23 | kiba | but it seem fine right now |
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| 22:21.38 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: Are you certain you need them ? (they are no longer maintained - support was added for the stuff into 2.6.16) |
| 22:22.02 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: I know but there's some problems with the eth0 device |
| 22:22.16 | MarcoPau | forcedeth module... it's correctly loaded, but the device is not created |
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| 22:22.56 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: which generation of nforce ? |
| 22:23.04 | MarcoPau | http://channels.debian.net/paste/5249 |
| 22:23.08 | MarcoPau | nforce3 |
| 22:23.12 | jin | cydork, yeah am getting identfied.. a sec |
| 22:23.16 | MarcoPau | check the paster |
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| 22:23.35 | kiba | it is possible to listen to musics in terminal right? |
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| 22:23.47 | MarcoPau | it's probably only a matter of gcc, am I wrong? |
| 22:24.44 | h3sp4wn | Nvidia hasn't updated that since 2.6.16 was released though (newer boards not supported at all by it though) |
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| 22:25.08 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: mine's old (MSI k8n neo2) |
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| 22:25.27 | shpchp64 | debian dos not contains x86_64 version? |
| 22:25.42 | Guerin | shpchp64: it does. |
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| 22:26.09 | LightKnight | kiba: depends on qhat kind of music, but in general, yes :) |
| 22:26.11 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: do you understand anything from the log? |
| 22:26.12 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: The issue is not that it doesn't support the hardware more that kernel 2.6.18 may have internal changes that would need changes |
| 22:26.13 | LightKnight | *what kind |
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| 22:26.20 | shpchp64 | Guerin, where is it? http://www.us.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer/ |
| 22:26.48 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: I actually read on some websites that those drivers may solve ethernet problems |
| 22:26.49 | Guerin | shpchp64: not for stable. |
| 22:26.57 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: Are you on etch or sarge with backported kernel ? |
| 22:27.10 | Guerin | shpchp64: since stable predates x86-64 |
| 22:27.31 | stew | !amd64 |
| 22:27.32 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 22:27.48 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: I'm on sid... don't know what backported means |
| 22:27.59 | stew | kiba: try cplay |
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| 22:28.23 | thug | anyone using dc++ ? |
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| 22:28.35 | Guerin | !anyone use dc++ ? |
| 22:28.35 | dpkg | No, no one uses dc++, not even the people who use it. |
| 22:28.47 | thug | Guerin ohh shut up |
| 22:28.57 | Guerin | thug: ask a stupid question, get a stupid answer. |
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| 22:29.23 | thug | Guerin i need to know if someone is even using before i can ask something about |
| 22:29.28 | Guerin | thug: no, you don't |
| 22:29.38 | thug | Guerin if you dont use it you wouldnt have a fucking clue about using it |
| 22:29.44 | Guerin | thug: just ask your question; anyone who knows (whether they use it or not) will answer |
| 22:29.52 | thug | what ever |
| 22:29.53 | Guerin | thug: that's patently bullshit |
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| 22:29.59 | Guerin | !whatever |
| 22:30.00 | dpkg | hmm... whatever is the last word spoken by the loser of an argument |
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| 22:30.17 | Guerin | thug: anyway, ask your warez question or stop trolling |
| 22:30.21 | thug | Guerin not many people are using dc++ .. it aint something like you ask about mplayer or apache ... |
| 22:30.32 | Guerin | thug: JUST FUCKING ASK |
| 22:30.36 | Guerin | stop whining |
| 22:30.41 | azeem | Guerin: please stop shouting |
| 22:30.42 | thug | Guerin :) |
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| 22:30.49 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:30.54 | thug | hell yeah :) |
| 22:31.30 | h3sp4wn | MarcoPau: I can't see why it would need gcc-3.4 if the kernel was built with 4.1.1 |
| 22:31.50 | thug | i cannot get any fucking hubs list . i donwloaded so many lists and tried them all none will list me the hubs ... any idea ? |
| 22:32.00 | Guerin | thug: contact the authors |
| 22:32.11 | thug | yeah i will do |
| 22:32.18 | thug | what about give them a ring ? |
| 22:32.22 | thug | yeah i better call them |
| 22:32.26 | thug | fuck this man :)) |
| 22:32.29 | Guerin | i'd just check the website first |
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| 22:32.37 | Guerin | but whatever ytou think will work |
| 22:32.54 | thug | i have a few hubs list |
| 22:33.00 | thug | like http://www.hublist.co.uk/hublist.config.bz2 |
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| 22:33.19 | thug | none list anything for me .. even the one that comes with the package LinuxDC++ |
| 22:33.23 | Guerin | thug: at what point does this become a debian question? |
| 22:33.51 | thug | LinuxDC++ its available on debian |
| 22:33.58 | Guerin | so? |
| 22:33.58 | thug | hello ? wake the fuck up :) |
| 22:34.08 | thug | so people need help with it while aint working proper |
| 22:34.09 | Guerin | does debian control the network? |
| 22:34.17 | Guerin | it's the NETWORK you're having problems |
| 22:34.21 | Guerin | with |
| 22:34.22 | thug | ahh you now what ? IGNORE ME |
| 22:34.25 | thug | noooo |
| 22:34.26 | thug | it aint |
| 22:34.35 | Guerin | actually, why don't you just seek help in the correct place? |
| 22:34.38 | thug | i can get a connection if i enter the hubs myself |
| 22:34.38 | RvGaTe | is there a way to aim the camera while in camera view ? |
| 22:34.44 | RvGaTe | oops, wrong channel |
| 22:34.51 | Guerin | thug: then your hub lists are at fault |
| 22:35.20 | thug | yeah and thats the fucking reason im here ... here might be other people having the same problem |
| 22:35.33 | thug | thas the reason i asked " anyone using it ? " |
| 22:35.51 | scv | hub? do we need a hub nowadays? |
| 22:36.00 | Guerin | thug: this is fucking irrelevant to #debian |
| 22:36.08 | Guerin | thug: ask #dc++ or someone who cares |
| 22:36.22 | thug | chill the fuck out man |
| 22:36.23 | Guerin | thug: or ##linux or some general-purpose channel |
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| 22:36.48 | Guerin | thug: i'm plenty chilled out, i'm actually trying to HELP you get your fucking question answered. |
| 22:37.12 | thug | like this ? |
| 22:37.15 | eMish__ | What is debian analog of 'chkconfig' command (to add and remove symlinks in etc/rcX.d dirs by runlevels) ? |
| 22:37.20 | thug | aint listen to people whos shouting :) |
| 22:37.21 | thug | at me |
| 22:37.24 | chrisjs169 | why is it that libc6 has been causing so many problems for me? |
| 22:37.27 | h3sp4wn | eMish__: update-rc.d |
| 22:37.28 | Guerin | thug: yes, by telling you to ask a channel which is actually likely to fucking help. |
| 22:37.37 | Guerin | thug: because #debian AIN'T GOING TO. |
| 22:37.48 | Guerin | how can I make this more clear? |
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| 22:38.01 | thug | Guerin so debian aint going to help with the most of the packages then ... |
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| 22:38.24 | azeem | thug: you've asked your question, now till whether somebody answers |
| 22:38.26 | azeem | +wait |
| 22:38.30 | Guerin | thug: debian can help with the config of most packages, but this isn't a config issue, it's an iussue with some retarded third-party shit you downloaded off the internets |
| 22:38.38 | thug | azeem yeah fair enough |
| 22:38.41 | chrisjs169 | new install, tried to install beryl, didn't work. some package who's name i instantly forget requires the 2.6 kernel, but libc6 won't let me upgrade |
| 22:38.50 | Guerin | thug: if you download a httpd.conf off the internet, #debian ain't going to help with that either |
| 22:39.14 | thug | Guerin people who wants to help they help with anything .. aint matter what the fuck that is |
| 22:39.15 | Guerin | chrisjs169: you're running stable? |
| 22:39.16 | azeem | chrisjs169: eh? |
| 22:39.29 | azeem | thug: please drop it now |
| 22:39.32 | Guerin | thug: that might be true in #help |
| 22:39.35 | chrisjs169 | Guerin/azeem - actually, no... |
| 22:39.36 | Guerin | thug: this is #debian |
| 22:39.37 | azeem | this is not a general help channel |
| 22:39.56 | chrisjs169 | The latest iso that I downloaded (several months ago) was RC1 I believe |
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| 22:40.00 | Guerin | chrisjs169: well, your question leaves us guessing |
| 22:40.05 | mark4 | erm. does debian have a live cd ? |
| 22:40.05 | metadata | there aren't any beryl packages in official repositories AFAIK |
| 22:40.07 | thug | Guerin didnt realize :)) |
| 22:40.09 | chrisjs169 | Hmm |
| 22:40.12 | chrisjs169 | Maybe not... |
| 22:40.34 | WorkRoey | thug: hey |
| 22:40.37 | WorkRoey | thug: whatup |
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| 22:40.48 | thug | WorkRoey ? |
| 22:40.56 | mark4 | does debian have a live cd ? |
| 22:40.56 | SJr|Work | Anyone see an error in the RegExp syntax for: \.(([2-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]))$|^([0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9][0-9]$) I'm trying to match a number 2000 or greater. It seems to choke on numbers that start with a 1. |
| 22:40.58 | chrisjs169 | Guerin - 3.1r3 as the filename says... |
| 22:40.59 | WorkRoey | thug: we met a couple days ago |
| 22:41.01 | Guerin | mark4: no. |
| 22:41.02 | WorkRoey | thug: here |
| 22:41.08 | mark4 | dang |
| 22:41.11 | thug | WorkRoey did we ? |
| 22:41.12 | Guerin | chrisjs169: that's stable. Give up on beryl. |
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| 22:41.15 | WorkRoey | thug: pretty sure |
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| 22:41.19 | eMish__ | Does update-rc.d have an option to SHOW which runlevels are enabled for the service ? |
| 22:41.21 | chrisjs169 | It's not just beryl |
| 22:41.27 | thug | WorkRoey could be yeah ... how are you then |
| 22:41.38 | azeem | chrisjs169: so what is your other problem? |
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| 22:41.47 | chrisjs169 | On my laptop, I had the same problem just trying to install gnome I believe |
| 22:41.53 | Guerin | chrisjs169: if you want to run anything newer than June 2005, you'll be needing to upgrade - /msg dpkg sarge->etch |
| 22:41.56 | azeem | chrisjs169: what problem? |
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| 22:42.15 | chrisjs169 | azeem: libc6 complaining |
| 22:42.16 | Guerin | azeem: libc mismatch breaking deps,e tc. |
| 22:42.30 | capiira | still no etch stable :/ |
| 22:42.35 | azeem | chrisjs169: please paste the error message to a pastebin |
| 22:42.37 | azeem | !pastebin |
| 22:42.38 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 22:42.41 | h3sp4wn | eMish__: maybe you want rc-conf / sysv-rc-conf or file-rc |
| 22:43.16 | chrisjs169 | azeem - 'K, hold on....need to restart, as I'm back on Windows |
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| 22:43.32 | MarcoPau | new error log http://channels.debian.net/paste/5250 |
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| 22:49.57 | nic-noc | I have a question about the stability of debian testing vs stable. I am running a web server, db server, email, dns. I am migrating from gentoo and the version of postgres i use is in testing but not stable. is testing stable enough for a production server? |
| 22:50.51 | _paulfm | Please excuse my ignorance, but can a debian system with apt-get use packages in the ubuntu Universe repository? |
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| 22:51.15 | roler | Has anyone dual booted vista/Linux yet? I know this is totally the wrong channel, and please don't ban me. :). But I am in the support industry and I need to know all operating systems... My only concern would be Vista wiping out my partition |
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| 22:51.37 | h3sp4wn | roler: ask ##windows |
| 22:51.37 | _paulfm | ie will ubuntu upstart package on Universe work on etch? |
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| 22:52.05 | redbox | roler: be safe: assume it will wipe the partition. |
| 22:52.06 | h3sp4wn | _paulfm: its in experimental (and probably won't work too well) |
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| 22:52.10 | eldowan | roler: I believe the vista beta saw my linux install |
| 22:52.12 | redbox | roler: in other words, backup. |
| 22:52.32 | eldowan | but that was back before beta1 |
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| 22:52.44 | _paulfm | h3sp4wn: thanks. I *may* still try it :-) |
| 22:52.59 | MarcoPau | h3sp4wn: did you read the last paste? |
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| 22:53.55 | roler | thanks guys |
| 22:53.55 | roler | i'm glad we could all stay mature about this topic. Hehe |
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| 22:54.13 | nic-noc | so any thoughts on the stability of debian testing? |
| 22:54.16 | _paulfm | Hi ... Im a PC... (sorry roler - couldn't resist) |
| 22:54.20 | _paulfm | heh |
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| 22:55.05 | roler | _paulfm; lol. I love the new commercial where the windows guy is in a hospital gown. Lol |
| 22:55.09 | m0s_bizzy | Êòî èç RU? |
| 22:55.26 | _paulfm | roler: yes , funny |
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| 22:55.53 | eldowan | I've read the man apges for ssh-agent and ssh-add, but I don't understand why konqueror and gnomes filebrowser cache the login for a host until I log out. ssh-agent isn't running, and when I kill the file browser, the ssh -p process isn't killed along with it. I updated ssh, and the problem persists. What can I do? |
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| 22:56.31 | chrisjs169_ | azeem - http://pastebin.ca/337678 |
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| 22:57.00 | arkham | hello |
| 22:57.01 | arkham | !! |
| 22:57.02 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 22:57.03 | azeem | chrisjs169_: you've mixed sources |
| 22:57.11 | arkham | i just finish my netinstall ^*^ |
| 22:57.14 | chrisjs169_ | I have? |
| 22:57.19 | arkham | without any package install |
| 22:57.24 | ofer0 | arkham, congratulations |
| 22:57.25 | azeem | chrisjs169_: does /etc/apt/sources.list reference etch or testing? |
| 22:57.29 | arkham | lol |
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| 22:57.33 | arkham | what i need to do know lol? |
| 22:57.43 | arkham | some apt-get dist-upragde? |
| 22:57.45 | chrisjs169_ | Hold on, I'll move over to chrisjs169....that's on my laptop |
| 22:57.50 | arkham | some apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 22:57.59 | chrisjs169_ | Dual booting gets annoying |
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| 22:58.15 | chrisjs169 | Ok |
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| 22:59.15 | chrisjs169 | azeem - It's almost done loading... |
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| 23:00.52 | |zetetic| | bokey: I followed your instructions in order to change the iptables rule, on the router, that was opening port 1863. After entering the iptables command port 1863 has indeed became stealthed. But when I reboot the router the original rules cames back... and so I hava again port 1863 open. Can you please, or someone, tell me what can I do in order to make the new rule a permanent onde? |
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| 23:01.36 | |zetetic| | permanent one |
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| 23:02.47 | kiba | hmm |
| 23:02.51 | kiba | I installed xorg |
| 23:02.58 | kiba | now what? |
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| 23:03.14 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: if you're not using firewall software then you'll need to run the iptables commands at bootup |
| 23:03.46 | pickcoder | If I'm not mistaken there is a "firewall" script already buried in there somewhere |
| 23:03.52 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: I'm talking about configuring the firewall on the router, not the debian firewall |
| 23:03.56 | kiba | time to reboot |
| 23:03.58 | pickcoder | oh |
| 23:04.06 | pickcoder | who knows |
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| 23:04.37 | chrisjs169 | azeem - You were right, I had accidentally swapped the debian repos with the ubuntu one. I just switched them, did 'apt-get -f install' and tried to update the kernel - it's working |
| 23:04.48 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: unfortunately my rotuter cames with some ports open, like port 1863, and I'm only able to change those rules telneting into de router and using iptables... |
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| 23:05.07 | denny | anybody else having problems with IceWeasel? just got upgraded to it and the entire thing seems to be falling apart at the seams. |
| 23:05.13 | chrisjs169 | Sort of odd how the same thing happened on this laptop though... |
| 23:05.17 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: not a very good router, if you can't admin it |
| 23:05.19 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 23:05.36 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: so, what I nedd to know is how to make the new rules permanent, on the router... because I can change them, but when I reboot the original rules came back |
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| 23:05.55 | azeem | chrisjs169: ok |
| 23:06.06 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: try asking the manuf |
| 23:06.12 | pickcoder | that has nothing to do with Debian |
| 23:06.16 | sgeigerbot | What happened to the file /usr/bin/safe_mysqld? I always used to use that to reset the root mysql password. |
| 23:07.04 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: I know that, but has something to do with iptables. Can you tell me how can I make a rule permanent, with iptables? |
| 23:07.12 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: it may be helpful to state the version you have |
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| 23:07.41 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: It's not in stable, testing or unstable. Apparently I can simply use /usr/sbin/mysql instead. |
| 23:07.59 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: iptables will not program your router |
| 23:08.33 | pickcoder | get the router straight first and then look at what you need to do with iptables |
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| 23:08.38 | pickcoder | for the Debian box |
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| 23:08.55 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: I think I was mistaken. It seems I still need safe_mysqld. Damn it. |
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| 23:09.25 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: but when I run iptables on the router I can change the rules... the only problem is that when I reboot the router the original rules came back |
| 23:09.26 | pickcoder | sgeigerbot: mysqld_safe |
| 23:09.55 | sgeigerbot | pickcoder: ahhh. Thanks! renamed! |
| 23:10.02 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: ok.. so you have a Debian box that you are using as a router |
| 23:10.44 | pickcoder | as I said quite a few lines back, if you are using firewall software you must make changes there |
| 23:10.46 | |zetetic| | pickoder: no, I only wnat to change the firewall rules on the router - A U.S. Robotics |
| 23:10.54 | pickcoder | wtf |
| 23:11.00 | pickcoder | fix the router first |
| 23:11.21 | |zetetic| | pickoder: I can enter the router with telnet and change the rules there |
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| 23:11.33 | kiba | hi |
| 23:11.38 | kiba | successful kde startup |
| 23:11.45 | |zetetic| | pickoder: and I changed them with iptables, because the router furewall has iptables |
| 23:11.48 | robin_sz | is there Debian for Vista out yet? |
| 23:11.55 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: like I said.. ask the manuf |
| 23:12.00 | kiba | robin_sz: ???????????????????? |
| 23:12.02 | snowbird | does wpa2 work on etch |
| 23:12.04 | robin_sz | or will the XP version work? |
| 23:12.05 | |zetetic| | pickoder: only problem is that when I reboot the router, the original router rules came back |
| 23:12.13 | pickcoder | !lart robin_sz |
| 23:12.18 | kiba | robin_sz: you don't need XP version or any window |
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| 23:12.42 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: I assume you need to use an interface to make changes to the EEPROM |
| 23:12.43 | robin_sz | kiba, it will just run from a DOS prompt? |
| 23:12.47 | pickcoder | like a web tool |
| 23:12.49 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: ok, I thought there was a iptables command that I could use in order to make the changed rules permanent, on the router |
| 23:13.07 | pickcoder | no.. those rules are more than likely stored on EEPROM |
| 23:13.11 | peterS | robin_sz: debian doesn't use any version of Windows. |
| 23:13.30 | robin_sz | sorry, its the beer. it made me do it :) |
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| 23:13.42 | peterS | robin_sz: however, if you're wondering about debina-installer support for dual-booting with vista, there is a problem with the filesystem resizer at present |
| 23:14.04 | robin_sz | peterS, does it reduce the size of the windows partition to zero? |
| 23:14.06 | peterS | robin_sz: this bug may or may not be fixed in time for the etch release. if not, the resizer will simply refuse to resize a vista partition |
| 23:14.14 | robin_sz | dang. |
| 23:14.14 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: no I don't need an interface. As I stated earlier, I can make the changes logging into the router with telnet ans using iptables tehere. only problem is the new rules are only active until next router reboot! |
| 23:14.16 | pickcoder | Vista.. gah |
| 23:14.22 | kiba | hmm |
| 23:14.27 | peterS | robin_sz: now why would you do that? if you don't want a partition, just delete it instead |
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| 23:14.35 | eMish__ | Where can I find debian pkg for mplayer ? |
| 23:14.42 | pickcoder | |zetetic|: obviously your approach isn't working.. contact tech support or read the user guide |
| 23:14.48 | robin_sz | peterS, reducing it to zero would not be a bug, it would be a "feature" ;) |
| 23:14.58 | |zetetic| | pickcoder: ok, thanks |
| 23:15.14 | peterS | robin_sz: a zero-size partition sounds like the partition table would be invalid. that would be a bug. |
| 23:15.22 | robin_sz | ahh true. |
| 23:15.52 | dkr | yeah, doesn't a partition have to be at least 8MB? |
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| 23:15.52 | robin_sz | well, anyway, its not something to worry about ... like anyone is actually going to use vista |
| 23:16.16 | pickcoder | robin_sz: just people who buy PCs from major manuf |
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| 23:17.39 | kiba | hi |
| 23:18.02 | kiba | what is the package name for firefox? I am told that there is a different name. |
| 23:18.09 | h3xis | iceweasel? |
| 23:18.13 | pickcoder | firefox isn't in Debian |
| 23:18.14 | dkr | iceweasel |
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| 23:18.37 | pickcoder | technically |
| 23:18.42 | pickcoder | er.. politically? |
| 23:18.47 | dkr | I just ran an update for etch, and it changed firefox to iceweasel |
| 23:19.09 | dkr | so the switchover was pretty recent |
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| 23:19.46 | robin_sz | kiba, you can get firefox as a .deb from the firefox site. its the same as the debian one, but it has a nicer logo |
| 23:21.07 | robin_sz | and, iirc, it comes with flash as standard .. I think. |
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| 23:21.35 | arkham | anyone here has install a wireless card particulary the dwl-g650 on his debian system? |
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| 23:22.01 | multi_io | is there a version of ping that displays the statistics (% packet loss, roundtrip time avg etc.) continuously instead of just at the end? |
| 23:22.30 | denny | from my experience of this evening, I'd steer well clear of installing IceWeasel |
| 23:22.33 | denny | it's broken. |
| 23:22.34 | dkr | multi_io: check out mtr |
| 23:22.34 | eMish__ | Is there apt-xxx command that show packages that contain file named xyz ? |
| 23:22.35 | pickcoder | arkham: is that your question, or do you actually have an issue you want help with? |
| 23:22.43 | denny | Very Very broken |
| 23:22.54 | eldowan | eMish__: apt-file |
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| 23:23.13 | eldowan | eMish__: is might be faster to use pdo. /msg dpkg pdo |
| 23:23.15 | metadata | eMish__: try with apt-file |
| 23:23.18 | snowbird | how i fix broken packages |
| 23:23.19 | eMish__ | ok |
| 23:23.25 | karsten | multi_io: mtr |
| 23:23.38 | metadata | eMish__: you'll have to install: sudo apt-get install apt-file |
| 23:23.44 | eMish__ | I don't have command apt-file ??? |
| 23:23.49 | eMish__ | ok |
| 23:24.07 | kiba | hmm |
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| 23:24.13 | kiba | how to start up iceweasel? |
| 23:24.25 | dkr | denny: seems to work ok for me. addons fitlering ads appropriately, too. :) |
| 23:24.32 | eldowan | dpkg -L <iceweasel package> | grep bin |
| 23:24.33 | dpkg | No packages found matching <iceweasel package> | grep bin |
| 23:24.35 | karsten | kiba: 'iceweasel' |
| 23:24.47 | kiba | Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
| 23:24.47 | metadata | kiba: with 'iceweasel' or even sometimes 'firefox' |
| 23:24.52 | kiba | I know that |
| 23:25.00 | dkr | kiba: you could just run it from gnome application menu. :) |
| 23:25.01 | karsten | kiba: Fix your X config. |
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| 23:25.16 | karsten | kiba: looks like you don't have $DISPLAY set. |
| 23:25.18 | kiba | don't know what the problem is |
| 23:25.42 | denny | so far tonight it's crashed, lost my session handling (along with my open tabs), lost my bookmarks toolbar (although not the actual bookmarks), doesn't seem able to create a link by drag-dropping the URL icon, has lost the ability to run searches from the search box, and is generally not making me happy |
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| 23:26.02 | denny | the weirdest thing is some bits worked initially and then stopped - the search box for instance |
| 23:26.09 | kiba | so I edit the x config |
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| 23:26.11 | kiba | eh? |
| 23:26.18 | denny | oh yes, the status bar is'nt displaying anything either, not sure when that stopped working |
| 23:26.33 | denny | I want FireFox 1.5 back :( |
| 23:26.52 | denny | ooh I forgot, it screwed up my HtmlValidator install too |
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| 23:27.08 | denny | which admittedly it a tiny tiny bit non-standard due to being a 64 bit machine |
| 23:27.16 | denny | but not that exciting |
| 23:27.20 | dkr | I wonder why they released firefox-2.0 with so many issues |
| 23:27.23 | eMish__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:27.35 | craigevil | denny try deleting the localstore.rdf file in your Firefox profile folder |
| 23:27.39 | eMish__ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.44 | dkr | (and why debian moved it from unstable to testing, :) |
| 23:27.46 | denny | craigevil: what will that do? |
| 23:27.52 | denny | dkr: I was wondering that last bit myself |
| 23:27.58 | arkham | what is the mail server do you use? |
| 23:28.01 | arkham | exim4 is good? |
| 23:28.05 | craigevil | should fix most of your issues, if that doesnt work simply create a new profile |
| 23:28.11 | snowbird | thunder bird is good mail |
| 23:28.15 | kiba | so whic file I edit? |
| 23:28.19 | denny | what are the diffs between FF and IW? The GNU webpage suggests code-changes, but the rumourmill claims it's purely a branding thing? |
| 23:28.24 | denny | craigevil: thanks, will try |
| 23:28.25 | pickcoder | arkham: exim4 and postfix are both good MTAs |
| 23:28.33 | arkham | cool |
| 23:28.34 | dkr | denny: yeah, just an issue with the logos and naming |
| 23:28.40 | arkham | so if i need to choose |
| 23:28.46 | kiba | so which file I edit? |
| 23:28.48 | arkham | you prefer exim4 or postfix? |
| 23:28.48 | denny | so these are all firefox2 bugs? that's scary |
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| 23:29.01 | arkham | for a server i heard postfix better |
| 23:29.03 | craigevil | its a little more than that http://web.glandium.org/blog/?p=97, Firefox/IW 2.0 works just fine |
| 23:29.03 | pickcoder | arkham: it's personal preference with configuration steps |
| 23:29.04 | robin_sz | denny, I didnt have any of those issues with firefox 2.0, and some of the stuff, like session save/restore s neat |
| 23:29.08 | arkham | ok ok lol |
| 23:29.09 | pickcoder | they both perform well |
| 23:29.10 | arkham | thank you |
| 23:29.13 | craigevil | its the upgrade from 1.5 to 2.0 that causes problems |
| 23:29.15 | denny | ooh, I missed one - it's only dispalyign the last typed in URL in the address bar for all tabs. |
| 23:29.16 | arkham | for the moment i have exim4 |
| 23:29.17 | pickcoder | I use postfix |
| 23:29.24 | pickcoder | coming from sendmail |
| 23:29.28 | denny | that's the same URL on every tab, regardless of what they're actually displaying |
| 23:29.41 | pickcoder | sendmail is powerful, but it's also a PITA to configure |
| 23:29.43 | robin_sz | to be fair, i only upgraded to firefox from iceweasel to get the nice logo back |
| 23:29.46 | denny | my session save/restore worked in ff 1.5, it doesn't restore in iceweasel |
| 23:29.52 | arkham | ok.. |
| 23:29.55 | pickcoder | and a memory hog |
| 23:29.57 | arkham | thanks |
| 23:30.02 | denny | using the built-in session handling or the tab mix plus one, they're both b0rked |
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| 23:30.12 | craigevil | I like the new green IW logo |
| 23:30.13 | dondelelcaro | denny: I've personally not had the problems you're having with iceweasel either. |
| 23:30.14 | robin_sz | denny, yeah, save/restore ddint seem to happen in iceweasel for me |
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| 23:30.38 | pickcoder | denny: which kernel are you running |
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| 23:30.43 | craigevil | Session restore works just fine, its just not the default setting |
| 23:30.47 | Caelum | is xmms2 better than xmms? |
| 23:30.52 | denny | Linux serenity 2.6.16-2-amd64-generic #1 Fri Aug 18 20:40:01 CEST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 23:31.07 | denny | craigevil: no, I changed the default setting |
| 23:31.08 | denny | it still does'nt work |
| 23:31.13 | arkham | lol may be it s a stupide question |
| 23:31.15 | kiba | karsten tell me that I don't have $DISPLAY set. So where do I set them in xorg.conf file? |
| 23:31.16 | denny | nor does Tab Mix Plus any more |
| 23:31.25 | arkham | but do you use graphic interface for a server? |
| 23:31.25 | denny | (the session bit thereof) |
| 23:31.25 | proog | i installed wireless-tools to make debian use wep authentication, but how can i make it do that at boot time? |
| 23:31.30 | arkham | a proxy |
| 23:31.33 | arkham | or a firewall |
| 23:31.36 | robin_sz | just use the proper firefox binary ... |
| 23:31.53 | arkham | may be it s not secure to active x window on proxy or firewall? |
| 23:31.54 | Keith_S | how do i uninstall a source install |
| 23:32.01 | Keith_S | i still have the source tree |
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| 23:32.14 | Keith_S | make "some thing" |
| 23:32.22 | craigevil | make uninstall |
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| 23:32.40 | craigevil | but it only works if the package included the flag |
| 23:32.46 | pickcoder | Keith_S: you can always edit the Makefile and look |
| 23:32.47 | Keith_S | nice |
| 23:32.52 | x-- | if it's defined in its makefile |
| 23:32.53 | Keith_S | works |
| 23:32.55 | denny | craigevil: that doesn't seem to have fixed the bookmarks toolbar or the drag-drop thing or the status bar |
| 23:32.57 | craigevil | if you used checkinstall you can use aptitude to uninstall it |
| 23:32.57 | pickcoder | each target will have a colon suffix |
| 23:33.03 | denny | it may have fixed the session-handlign though |
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| 23:33.11 | proog | anyone knows how to make debian use wep? |
| 23:33.16 | kiba | jeez |
| 23:33.23 | denny | hrm |
| 23:33.24 | kiba | this is taking forever to load and this is broadband |
| 23:33.25 | denny | no, it hasn't |
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| 23:33.38 | craigevil | denny if session restore still doesnt seem to work try looking at > http://kb.mozillazine.org/Session_Restore |
| 23:33.39 | denny | now it pops up the 'do you want ot restore' dialog, but then doesn't actually do anything when you say yes |
| 23:33.40 | x-- | proog: it should work on default |
| 23:33.51 | x-- | proog: just set the key |
| 23:33.52 | metadata | proog: last time I checked you have to set /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:33.53 | denny | oh, middle-click started working again, that's something |
| 23:33.56 | abrotman | proog: put the key in your interfaces file |
| 23:34.33 | proog | where should i put it? |
| 23:34.42 | denny | craigevil: yeah, I have that setting. It's ignoring it. |
| 23:34.57 | denny | or actually, now it appears to be trying to honour it, but failing |
| 23:35.03 | proog | abrotman: there is iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 23:35.04 | denny | is there any way to roll back to firefox 1.5 ? |
| 23:35.15 | denny | I use my browser a lot and this package really isn't fit for purpose |
| 23:35.17 | abrotman | proog: iwconfig |
| 23:35.21 | proog | yes |
| 23:35.24 | kiba | what is the package name for videolan? |
| 23:35.25 | proog | ive used that |
| 23:35.38 | eldowan | kiba: vlc? |
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| 23:35.41 | x-- | proog: man iwconfig |
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| 23:35.42 | kiba | oh |
| 23:35.47 | kiba | it should be obvious to me |
| 23:35.52 | proog | abrotman: but every time i reboot, iwconfig is reset to encryption=off |
| 23:36.05 | abrotman | proog: there are a number of things you can do |
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| 23:36.31 | abrotman | proog: man 8 iwconfig |
| 23:36.33 | abrotman | man 5 interfaces |
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| 23:37.35 | kiba | hmm |
| 23:37.53 | proog | abrotman: i tried to do "iwconfig eth0 key S:passwordhere |
| 23:38.07 | abrotman | and ? |
| 23:38.12 | proog | it resets |
| 23:38.14 | proog | to off |
| 23:38.17 | proog | when i reboot |
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| 23:38.23 | Athas | Why doesn't Debian recognize eth0 if there isn't a cable in the card when booting? |
| 23:38.34 | Athas | And how do I make it pick it up? |
| 23:38.45 | dondelelcaro | Athas: it doesn't bring the interface up, but it should still be there. |
| 23:38.55 | metadata | proog: you have to have something similar to: wireless_mode manage (another line) wireless_essid youressid (another) wireless_key yourkey |
| 23:39.06 | proog | ok |
| 23:39.08 | proog | ill try |
| 23:39.16 | abrotman | proog: right .. so put those options in your interfaces file |
| 23:39.18 | kiba | why konqueror load so slow? |
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| 23:39.23 | Athas | dondelelcaro: not even netstat -a shows it. |
| 23:39.50 | metadata | proog: search for a sample /etc/network/interfaces with a wireless card, and you'll see what I mean, with all the parameters you can set |
| 23:40.14 | dondelelcaro | Athas: ifconfig -a; is what you should be running, not netstat -a. |
| 23:40.26 | dondelelcaro | proog: just man wireless; for the details. |
| 23:40.36 | Athas | dondelelcaro: sorry, I meant ifconfig -a. |
| 23:41.09 | jair | Have I ever tell you guys how much I love Linux, Opensource Community and IRC? :) |
| 23:41.10 | proog | dondelelcaro: i have used man some times, but what i tried didnt work |
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| 23:41.26 | dondelelcaro | proog: do you have wireless-tools; installed? |
| 23:41.26 | jair | just wanted to remind you that |
| 23:41.35 | proog | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 23:41.45 | dondelelcaro | proog: well, it has the manual that describes all of the options then. |
| 23:42.00 | dondelelcaro | Athas: what type of card is it? |
| 23:42.11 | Athas | dondelelcaro: Intel e1000. |
| 23:42.39 | Athas | It works nicely when the cable is inserted when botting. |
| 23:42.46 | Athas | *booting |
| 23:42.47 | dondelelcaro | Athas: and is the e1000 module loaded? |
| 23:43.10 | proog | Athas: are you the author of sigkill.dk? |
| 23:43.14 | Athas | dondelelcaro: it's in the kernel. |
| 23:43.17 | Athas | proog: yes. |
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| 23:43.36 | dondelelcaro | Athas: well, then there's something wrong in the driver that makes it unable to detect the card. |
| 23:43.57 | dondelelcaro | Athas: if it's not showing up in ifconfig, and you don't see it in dmesg, then there's nothing Debian can do about it, since the kernel doesn't know about the card. |
| 23:44.01 | metadata | proog: take a look for a sample config http://www.pastebin.ca/337777 |
| 23:44.55 | proog | metadata: thanks |
| 23:45.09 | metadata | proog: hope that helps :) |
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| 23:45.59 | jair | hey I was reading the last comments on an interview to Linus Torlvals, and he was saying: Torvalds also talked about why "unfriendly" kernel developers are making it more difficult attracting new blood. Click here to see this three minute video. |
| 23:46.51 | jair | I consider myself and my brother as new blood but so far people here in freenode.org #debian has been pretty cool and helpfull (friend;y) |
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| 23:47.33 | proog | Athas: jeg troede du brugte gentoo |
| 23:47.41 | jair | Please don't forget that (friendly) will help new people like me and my brother and other colleages testing linux or programers switch to Linux :) |
| 23:47.52 | proog | metadata: thanks a lot, that really helped! |
| 23:48.00 | Athas | proog: Ikke mere. |
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| 23:48.11 | metadata | proog: nice to hear that, have fun :) |
| 23:48.21 | dkr | jair: attractnig users and attracting developers are two separate topics |
| 23:48.24 | proog | :D |
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| 23:51.34 | jair | dkr: right, I think that the point is attract developers, but a lot of users, can become developers if they do that in other programs |
| 23:51.42 | PAK-9 | does anyone know if multiple monitor support is broken under etch, I had it working under sarge and after upgrading its stoped working |
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| 23:53.11 | abrotman | PAK-9: it should work |
| 23:53.11 | eldowan | PAK-9: I use it on 2 different etch machines |
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| 23:53.12 | PAK-9 | well my XF86Config-4 hasnt changed since sarge |
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| 23:53.30 | PAK-9 | can anyone post theirs for me to reference against |
| 23:53.31 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:53.41 | jair | guys I notice that backing up a disk for example hdb1 or a .vmdk, or a big file, takes hours using tar and gzip, tar -czf |
| 23:53.46 | abrotman | PAK-9: etch uses xorg |
| 23:53.51 | PAK-9 | ah |
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| 23:53.51 | dondelelcaro | PAK-9: etch using xorg, so it's quite likely that it's totally different. |
| 23:53.51 | Athas | dondelelcaro: yes, sorry, it seems to be a known issue with this network card. |
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| 23:54.01 | stoned | dpkg: hi |
| 23:54.01 | dpkg | hey, stoned |
| 23:54.06 | PAK-9 | I had a feeling it might be something like that |
| 23:54.18 | nsm | HI |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | PAK-9: though it should copy your XF86Config-4 and try to use it as best it can .. but it may have made changes |
| 23:54.19 | jair | there is any way of speed up this ? or another tool like bzip2? or bzip or is this even slower? |
| 23:54.41 | stoned | abrotman: what other Amarok clones do you know of, in something besides Qt |
| 23:54.52 | PAK-9 | I can see now it hasnt copied the settings from my XF86 |
| 23:55.00 | PAK-9 | I'll try updating it manually |
| 23:55.01 | abrotman | quod libet ? |
| 23:55.13 | stoned | I check it a few months ago when you told me about it |
| 23:56.08 | abrotman | that's probably it |
| 23:56.08 | stoned | there was another one concept10 was on about |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | rhythmbox ? |
| 23:56.09 | stoned | Ex something |
| 23:56.09 | shao_lap | banshee? |
| 23:56.09 | stoned | no.. I can't find the friggin name of it |
| 23:56.09 | abrotman | oh .. hm .. let me find it |
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| 23:56.10 | nsm | why is sun-java in the non-free repository? |
| 23:56.10 | peope | Finally got my Logitech G7 usb mouse responding. However I only make it go up and down. Not sideways. How can I make it go sideways? |
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| 23:56.28 | concept10 | stoned, exaile |
| 23:56.33 | metadata | stoned: you can take a look at http://applications.linux.com/applications/06/03/24/1610220.shtml?tid=39 they talk about different audio players |
| 23:56.33 | abrotman | nsm: oddly .. it's non-free |
| 23:56.39 | nsm | Amarok clones: exaile, listen |
| 23:56.47 | abrotman | that's it |
| 23:56.48 | stoned | concept10: yo bud |
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| 23:56.51 | stoned | thanks |
| 23:56.58 | stoned | the thing is I can't get amarok to run with ssh -X |
| 23:57.11 | stoned | it only wants to run under a full desktop with XDMCP |
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| 23:57.29 | concept10 | stoned, Im having alot of fun over hear right now |
| 23:57.32 | stoned | concept10: does exaile support output to esound |
| 23:57.33 | stoned | esd |
| 23:58.22 | concept10 | exaile supports gstreamer which has ALSA, OSS and ESD |
| 23:58.26 | x-- | why would you want to run amarok remotely? |
| 23:58.35 | concept10 | and now JACK |
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| 23:58.47 | Rob002 | I've been looking, but with no luck, for a script that will rip a DVD and transcode it to XviD without human intervention. (AKA Detects longest tracks, rips, encodes). Anybody know a script that will do this? I have a bunch of DVD's I want to back up and I just want to click run, and have it do everything for me (Going to put the script into autorun when a dvd is inserted) |
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| 23:59.00 | stoned | concept10: sweet |
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| 23:59.08 | concept10 | Ive found and configured some nice stuff here lately |
| 23:59.10 | stoned | I'm going to isntall it now |
| 23:59.11 | nsm | abrotman: java is not GPL yet? |
| 23:59.19 | abrotman | nsm: not fully |
| 23:59.23 | stoned | concept10: it has no problems accessing files from an smb share eh? |
| 23:59.31 | abrotman | stoned: soon we will have you converted to gnome :) |
| 23:59.33 | stoned | like smb:// or should I smbfs mount it |
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| 23:59.41 | stoned | abrotman: yeah right |
| 23:59.43 | stoned | dream on boy! |
| 23:59.50 | abrotman | stoned: did you muck with rosegarden ? |
| 23:59.51 | concept10 | I have jack running, with exaile - and I have ladspa effects across the output with metering |
| 23:59.54 | abrotman | did i already ask you that ? :) |
| 23:59.57 | stoned | abrotman: not yet I haven't |
