| 00:00.00 | pmv | mmm.. fish |
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| 00:00.11 | shwag | /etc/init.d/network restart says "No buffer space available" I get no eth0. Im at a lose. |
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| 00:03.06 | Guerin | shwag: try bringing it up with ifconfig |
| 00:03.10 | Guerin | or manually, like |
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| 00:04.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you listen to the piano music i gave you the url for? |
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| 00:05.02 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 00:05.03 | eldowan | tarzeau: piano??? |
| 00:05.18 | eldowan | tarzeau: sorry, couldn't help evesdropping... |
| 00:05.25 | azeem | tarzeau: any particular reason you don't ask in #debian-offtopic? |
| 00:05.51 | tarzeau | azeem: eldowan wouldn't have gotten it |
| 00:05.52 | abrotman | azeem: it's hard to /win 141! |
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| 00:05.57 | tarzeau | azeem: no, there's no reason |
| 00:06.02 | azeem | tarzeau: bzzt |
| 00:06.13 | nethenson | is there an easyway to encode a dvd into a (huge) matroska file? |
| 00:06.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: i have no idea which one it is |
| 00:06.33 | eldowan | nethenson: what is your definition of easy? |
| 00:06.44 | abrotman | !iceweasel =~ s/unstable/etch&sid/ |
| 00:06.44 | dpkg | abrotman: OK |
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| 00:07.07 | nethenson | eldowan: at least, with documentation |
| 00:07.13 | netgod | nethenson: decrypt the dvd then cat the VOBs to ffmpeg |
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| 00:08.06 | eldowan | nethenson: check out mplayer. mplayerhq.hu |
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| 00:08.52 | nethenson | i'd like to have one file, and to be able to change language/chapter/subtitles |
| 00:09.31 | netgod | eldown: can an ipod play a matroska file? can quicktime stream it from a website? can adobe software open it? or avid? |
| 00:09.52 | netgod | eldowan: i suppose it depends on what youre doing; anime with subtitles in 10 languages probably needs the anime codec |
| 00:10.48 | eldowan | netgod: If I could go a day without someone touting the stupid, status symbol, ipod, I'd be in heaven. I don't care about mov formatting, or quicktime. I don't like any of that. the most portable is probably avi mpeg1, but thats my best guess. |
| 00:11.00 | eldowan | netgod: what anime codec? |
| 00:11.11 | netgod | eldowan: matroska |
| 00:11.33 | shwag | Guerin: device not recognized it says |
| 00:11.38 | netgod | yeah mpeg-1 plays on everything, but it sux :P |
| 00:12.04 | eldowan | netgod: matroska is a container, not a codec. just like avi. |
| 00:12.04 | Mark_Iron | ANY idea how to create an Release File in debianCD:/dists ? .... apt-ftparchive release ./dists is not enough ... I'm missin the header - thank you in advance |
| 00:12.07 | PingFloyd | eldowan: PDAs are just as bad, if not worse |
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| 00:12.09 | capiira | hmmm does a "aptitude remove packagename" also remove dependencies? |
| 00:12.10 | eldowan | netgod: portable doesn't mean high quality. |
| 00:12.11 | netgod | eldowan: my bad |
| 00:12.12 | Mark_Iron | an -> a |
| 00:12.20 | oxyride|bib | a |
| 00:12.23 | oxyride|bib | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:12.38 | oxyride|bib | hi |
| 00:12.53 | PingFloyd | capiira: if they're not longer needed and if they were automatically installed by aptitude |
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| 00:13.07 | abrotman | PingFloyd: if that option is set .. |
| 00:13.13 | PingFloyd | that too |
| 00:13.18 | Mark_Iron | hmm ... | sed 's: an : a :' *g* @ oxyride|bib |
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| 00:13.46 | capiira | ahh cool thx and what does synaptics use aptitude? |
| 00:14.15 | eldowan | nethenson: netgod: if you want to stay open, you could always go with a straignt ogg format, theora, with vorbis. :D |
| 00:14.37 | netgod | true |
| 00:15.12 | eldowan | netgod: I try to keep up on video / audio compression. it is much fun to play with. |
| 00:15.44 | eldowan | nethenson: if you aren't locked in debian, or don't mind using wine, you can try virtualdub, or avisynth. I've also had good luck with gordianknot, though I havent used it in a long time. |
| 00:16.00 | nethenson | eldowan: as i said, i just want my dvd in one file, without loosing extras(interviews, making of)/subtitiles/audios |
| 00:16.04 | netgod | yeah me too, i just have a different criteron: i want to encode it just once, and have it work for all my customers without a codec download |
| 00:16.05 | PingFloyd | yes, do the world a favor and be one less person encoding in proprietary formats |
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| 00:16.32 | nethenson | i will keep it for myself, so i dont mind is it is a esoteric codec/container |
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| 00:17.39 | eldowan | nethenson: If you are just looking to compress it, Why not check out xdvdshrink, and keep it in the .iso format? then it is just a quick burn away from a player, with all specials included. |
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| 00:18.07 | nethenson | eldowan: mmm.... sounds good |
| 00:18.35 | netgod | whatever is done, keeping all the extras, multiple audio tracks, and subtitles is going to be a trick -- its akin to digitally remastering the thing |
| 00:18.47 | eldowan | netgod: I can understand that, but I don't like, and have never much liked much of anything from apple. I try to stick with x264, with xvid on the side. |
| 00:19.09 | pmv | hehe |
| 00:19.14 | spyro_boy | I' using Debian AMD64 and I have a camera here that works also as a webcam which I was wonder how to get working under linux: http://tinyurl.com/3bk69v Any idea how I should tackle this task? |
| 00:19.20 | spyro_boy | I'm* |
| 00:19.22 | pmv | another brick in the wall, eh Floyd? ;-) |
| 00:19.37 | eldowan | nethenson: mind you that I've never done anything similar to what you are trying, I only encode the movies I buy with a straight main movie rip, ac3 soundtrack. |
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| 00:20.24 | PingFloyd | Floyd said, "Why fuck does everyone keep pinging me!!" |
| 00:20.46 | spyro_boy | right then |
| 00:21.12 | pmv | :-p |
| 00:21.23 | oxyride|bib | is there one guy called Pink Floyd? |
| 00:21.32 | PingFloyd | oxyride|bib: no |
| 00:21.36 | oxyride|bib | oh |
| 00:21.44 | abrotman | spyro_boy: does the OS see it ? |
| 00:22.11 | nethenson | eldowan: i will try with xdvdshrink, but since i dont have the restriction of being dvd-compatible, i thought i could use more advanced codecs. |
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| 00:22.39 | nethenson | :) |
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| 00:23.13 | spyro_boy | abrotman, uh.. well, the way that it works is this: if I want to mount it to get images off it, I mount it normally, but if I wanted to get it to stream an image, I have to select the mode on the camera and then plug it in, but I don't remember if dmesg ever gave me anything specific. I'll check right now. |
| 00:23.15 | eldowan | nethenson: Oh, you probably could. Infact, you would save much space by de-muxing each audio track, and compressing each to your desired format, compressing the video, extracting the subtitles, and re-muxing it all at the end. |
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| 00:23.39 | abrotman | !webcam |
| 00:23.39 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, webcam is a method to setup a webcam using Debian: http://www.aboutdebian.com/webcam.htm |
| 00:23.43 | netgod | heh you make it sound so easy |
| 00:23.55 | oxyride|bib | eldwan, lol |
| 00:24.04 | quitte | hi again. how can i rename a directory full of uppercase files to lowercase? |
| 00:24.06 | spyro_boy | abrotman, thanks |
| 00:24.12 | spyro_boy | I'll check that. |
| 00:24.12 | abrotman | spyro_boy: and if oyu need work .. you can probably get a job as a web developer at polaroid ... |
| 00:24.23 | abrotman | quitte: rename |
| 00:24.23 | azeem | quitte: rename, probably |
| 00:24.26 | spyro_boy | abrotman, rofl..I know |
| 00:24.28 | amphi | quitte: tr(1) |
| 00:24.28 | eldowan | netgod: but I don't see how he would keep the special features and a menu with the matrikosa container, though. |
| 00:24.52 | PingFloyd | write a bash script |
| 00:25.06 | PingFloyd | actually... |
| 00:25.18 | nethenson | in fact the menu isn't needed |
| 00:25.19 | quitte | urgh. regexps |
| 00:25.38 | oxyride|bib | is bash the default shell of bsds? |
| 00:25.38 | quitte | ah its in the manpage :) |
| 00:25.49 | PingFloyd | there's a program for that, but I can't remember it's name |
| 00:25.51 | eldowan | nethenson: Ahh, so just make the extras as a chapter after the main movie? good plan. |
| 00:25.55 | azeem | oxyride|bib: ask them |
| 00:25.59 | azeem | oxyride|bib: I guess not |
| 00:26.00 | oxyride|bib | hahaha |
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| 00:26.05 | nethenson | eldowan: yes |
| 00:26.12 | netgod | eldowan: my understanding is that menus are peculiar to MPEG-1 VCDs and MPEG-2 DVD format; internet stuff have multiple tracks and subs, but not menus |
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| 00:27.06 | eldowan | netgod: with careful scripting, a flash website could implement a menu system quite nicely. And from what I understand about the DVD menustructure, it is akin to a common scripting language, I think JS |
| 00:27.09 | PingFloyd | it's tr |
| 00:27.16 | PingFloyd | that's the program I'm thinking of |
| 00:28.00 | PingFloyd | I'd probably remember better if I hadn't gotten stoned so much in my younger years |
| 00:28.00 | netgod | true, tho arguably the menu is in the swf, not the flv itself, so does that count? :-) |
| 00:28.02 | eldowan | netgod: I think I did hear ogg was working on a way to implement a menu system in matrikosa. |
| 00:28.03 | jazbo2185 | I ssh to my bigscreen tv from my laptop and `xine foo.mpg` but I get "Cannot open display". How can I accomplish this? |
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| 00:28.48 | delire | can anyone reccomend a channel that deals with advanced networking (protocols, packet creation etc)? |
| 00:28.59 | eldowan | tech-tv? |
| 00:29.03 | karmatronic | jazbo2185: export DISPLAY=:0.0 |
| 00:29.18 | jazbo2185 | karmatronic: when/where do I enter that? |
| 00:29.25 | karmatronic | in your ssh terminal |
| 00:29.37 | karmatronic | jazbo2185: after logging in |
| 00:29.39 | eldowan | netgod: nethenson: check this out: http://www.matroska.org/technical/menu/index.html |
| 00:29.46 | jazbo2185 | karmatronic: coo, thanks |
| 00:29.56 | karmatronic | jazbo2185: worked ? |
| 00:30.05 | nethenson | checking oout |
| 00:30.10 | mentor | jazbo2185: The X server runs the input and output; the X client is the application (eg. spreadsheet, multimedia player) |
| 00:30.12 | eldowan | nethenson: I think that is what you will be ultimetaly looking at in a while. Hopefully sooner than later |
| 00:30.31 | nethenson | hehe |
| 00:30.34 | holycow | hey all |
| 00:30.45 | simonrvn | kwe kwe holycow |
| 00:31.09 | holycow | i'm working on a new partitioning scheme for our laptops ... i'm putting var onto its own partition just incase a log file overflows. what might a good size for /var be on a desktop system? |
| 00:31.13 | holycow | hello simonrvn |
| 00:31.23 | stoned | simonrvn, hi :) |
| 00:31.29 | simonrvn | kwe kwe stoned |
| 00:31.37 | stoned | heya hoya heya hoya |
| 00:31.40 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:31.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:31.45 | jazbo2185 | karmatronic: yup, seemed to work. Though I can't seen if it's actually displaying because I'm at work... I'll have to test again once I get home |
| 00:31.52 | holycow | ... /home and / are fairly easy to ballpark |
| 00:32.00 | simonrvn | we don't really sing like that ;) |
| 00:32.04 | netgod | holycow: at least 600MB, preferably a gig -- otherwise a full apt update may be hard |
| 00:32.04 | eldowan | holycow: My /var is at 872.1MB now |
| 00:32.08 | stoned | i know I'm teasing |
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| 00:32.15 | stoned | im still lauging hehe, |
| 00:32.17 | delire | holycow: a few gigabytes should be plenty for wild-running logs should rotation fail you. |
| 00:32.19 | holycow | so 5 gigs is overkill? |
| 00:32.19 | simonrvn | i go by eye, a certain percentage |
| 00:32.19 | stoned | oh boy, I kill myself |
| 00:32.31 | simonrvn | :D |
| 00:32.31 | karmatronic | jazbo2185: you can also use vlc to stream files from you home computer |
| 00:32.34 | eldowan | holycow: Or you could just ln -s /dev/null /var |
| 00:32.42 | pmv | holycow: additionally, you can also check out lvm, so you can adjust partitions as necessary |
| 00:32.44 | netgod | holycow: yes, unless youre running a usenet server, which i doubt -- 1gb is the high end |
| 00:32.46 | abrotman | holycow: depends .. are there DBs on it? mysql and pgsql store in /var/ |
| 00:32.47 | simonrvn | not a good idea, that |
| 00:32.51 | delire | holycow: it also depends how long you'll be absent from the machine. if it's weeks, then make it larger. |
| 00:32.58 | holycow | heh. allright cool :) |
| 00:33.00 | simonrvn | symlinking var to /dev/null |
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| 00:33.06 | simonrvn | not at all |
| 00:33.09 | stoned | wait |
| 00:33.12 | delire | holycow: you won't be running mysql on a desktop machine though will you? |
| 00:33.12 | eldowan | simonrvn: that was a joke |
| 00:33.14 | stoned | why is he doing tha again? |
| 00:33.16 | stoned | oh |
| 00:33.20 | stoned | joke |
| 00:33.23 | holycow | delire, no, its actually for regular office users |
| 00:33.25 | stoned | eldowan, you have no sense of humor :D |
| 00:33.30 | olskolirc | hi guys |
| 00:33.33 | netgod | holycow: if im hosting apache and dbs and stuff, my preference is to symlink them to somewhere under /home so i can care for them properly |
| 00:33.37 | simonrvn | eldowan: text medium, i can't see your smile :) |
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| 00:33.48 | delire | holycow: yeah, a few gb's at most as long as the box will be relatively attendable day by day. |
| 00:33.53 | holycow | netgod, that sounds like an interesting idea, never thought of that |
| 00:33.55 | eldowan | simonrvn: I didn't add one. :D better? |
| 00:33.58 | netgod | holycow: cause really, you want the OS to worry about /, /usr, and /var, and you focus exclusively on /home |
| 00:34.00 | simonrvn | yeh ;p |
| 00:34.01 | jazbo2185 | karmatronic: thanks again! |
| 00:34.04 | stoned | eldowan, j/k |
| 00:34.26 | holycow | netgod, i haven't considered putting /usr in its onw partition, what are the advantages of that? |
| 00:34.30 | eldowan | stoned: i wasn't typing at you. |
| 00:34.41 | stoned | eldowan, you missed it |
| 00:34.44 | simonrvn | i was typing at the wall |
| 00:34.52 | stoned | simonrvn, thats not very healthy mate |
| 00:34.56 | eldowan | stoned: I saw it. |
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| 00:34.56 | stoned | hehe |
| 00:35.01 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 00:35.06 | netgod | holycow: it gives you that old-school eliteness, for one -- but these days it isnt really needed |
| 00:35.25 | netgod | holycow: (in the days of 2GB hard drives, /usr was actually a different disk, for space and speed) |
| 00:35.32 | holycow | netgod, that's sorta my feeling ... mostly because the issue never has come up |
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| 00:35.42 | bib | 2GB? hahaha |
| 00:35.44 | simonrvn | i do that, but with 9 GB ;p |
| 00:35.45 | holycow | netgod, ooooooh, okay i get it |
| 00:35.51 | netgod | unix is very old :-) |
| 00:35.57 | eldowan | holycow: I agree with pmv, you might like lvm. |
| 00:36.02 | stoned | you wanna be elite? different FS for each imported NBD for /, /usr /var /tmp /etc/ etc. etc. |
| 00:36.11 | simonrvn | older than most in this chan, including me |
| 00:36.17 | dvs | heh |
| 00:36.23 | bib | netgod, how can you do with a 2M hdd? |
| 00:36.28 | holycow | i just had a kid in here showing interest in linux, gave him a few cds, should of showed him / and explained that each folder could be on its own hard drive |
| 00:36.29 | holycow | hehe |
| 00:36.29 | jjazz | bib: I have a 300mb hd that's still running on an old laptop. |
| 00:36.38 | holycow | that would of bent his microsoft centric mind |
| 00:36.46 | bib | lol |
| 00:36.54 | holycow | eldowan, *nod* okay cool will dig into that over the weekend |
| 00:36.56 | simonrvn | lvm is nice |
| 00:37.10 | stoned | free+stable+no virus == my pitch for linux to the MS centric |
| 00:37.15 | netgod | theres still an advantage to it -- debian is so well-designed, u can set your 4GB /usr partition to read-only, thus preventing filesystem errors and thwarting would-be hackers |
| 00:37.16 | bib | jjazz, a Q brand hdd? |
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| 00:37.21 | PingFloyd | 2GB HDs aren't that old |
| 00:37.26 | PingFloyd | try 20MB HD |
| 00:37.29 | eldowan | holycow: If you are interested in dynamic resizing of partitions, I believe reiserfs has support for both growing and shrinking. |
| 00:37.30 | jjazz | bib: I don't know the brand. It's in a Compaq contura aero. |
| 00:37.30 | bib | lol |
| 00:37.46 | simonrvn | ext3, i wouldn't trust reiser, sorry |
| 00:37.51 | PingFloyd | I have a 2GB in this system that is still running |
| 00:37.58 | holycow | stoned, this was a co workers 18 year old kid, he's technically profficient and doesn't play games but loves to put stuff together ... perfect profile for hacker |
| 00:38.04 | bib | you know... a 20M hdd cannot be touched on the modern pc |
| 00:38.05 | netgod | the energizer bunny of hard drives |
| 00:38.11 | stoned | holycow, the hollywood kind? |
| 00:38.14 | netgod | my videocard has more than 20M |
| 00:38.18 | stoned | :) |
| 00:38.23 | bib | lol |
| 00:38.25 | PingFloyd | it's an old western digital |
| 00:38.26 | holycow | eldowan, i used to use reiser until hans got arrested, i wish someone would take over the project |
| 00:38.36 | netgod | err, arrested? |
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| 00:38.43 | eldowan | holycow: I thought that was a joke. hans was really arersted? |
| 00:38.45 | holycow | stoned, heh, no i get the feeling he will do sysadmin at some level eventually anyway. |
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| 00:38.52 | eldowan | netgod: suspicion of murdering his wife, i believe |
| 00:38.53 | simonrvn | possession of resierfs ;p |
| 00:38.55 | holycow | eldowan, yep and charged with his wifes murder |
| 00:39.01 | stoned | holycow, good luck man. Its a good thing you're doing |
| 00:39.03 | holycow | simonrvn, rofl :) |
| 00:39.05 | holycow | funny |
| 00:39.08 | eldowan | simonrvn: bad, bad. :D :D :D |
| 00:39.11 | olskolirc | hey guys why are all of my repositories stalling out on me |
| 00:39.12 | simonrvn | pardon the typo |
| 00:39.18 | simonrvn | eldowan: yes it was |
| 00:39.27 | holycow | thanks for the heads up guys |
| 00:39.27 | olskolirc | my repository comes from ftp.debian.org |
| 00:39.37 | olskolirc | sarge stable |
| 00:39.44 | simonrvn | find another one then |
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| 00:39.53 | olskolirc | how do i get a list of new ones |
| 00:39.56 | stoned | !apt-setup |
| 00:39.56 | dpkg | i guess apt-setup is a means of adding deb/deb-src lines to your /etc/apt/sources.list so that you can install packages from the internet. To install from a cd-rom ask me about 'apt-cdrom'. no longer available in testing/unstable since base-config was removed, see http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2006/01/msg00199.html. Gone from etch and sid. |
| 00:39.58 | eldowan | olskolirc: I thought ftp.debian.org was a round robin server. stop and restart |
| 00:39.59 | simonrvn | www.debian.org |
| 00:40.05 | simonrvn | or that ^^ |
| 00:40.06 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 00:40.07 | dpkg | methinks debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 00:40.16 | olskolirc | beats me |
| 00:40.25 | olskolirc | i'll do apt setup thanks |
| 00:40.30 | eldowan | olskolirc: And for your convienence, the mirrorlist is available on each mirror too. |
| 00:40.32 | stoned | olskolirc, if you read, comprehension will follow |
| 00:40.33 | stoned | hopefully |
| 00:40.44 | stoned | all you need an IQ higher than the freezing point of h2o |
| 00:40.48 | stoned | in C |
| 00:40.49 | simonrvn | ohnoz, covenience |
| 00:40.50 | eldowan | stoned: I don't learn without getting a black-eye |
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| 00:40.55 | olskolirc | niceeeeeeeeeeeeeee |
| 00:41.10 | stoned | eldowan, you're gonna be black after I get done teaching you music |
| 00:41.12 | stoned | :) |
| 00:41.24 | stoned | or purple, whatever |
| 00:41.24 | olskolirc | stoned is black? |
| 00:41.26 | eldowan | stoned: I've never had someone threaten to turn a cracker black |
| 00:41.33 | stoned | no, doofus |
| 00:41.44 | olskolirc | im no doofus :-( |
| 00:41.46 | stoned | you don't learn without a black eye |
| 00:41.46 | bib | be black? lol |
| 00:41.49 | stoned | so when I teach you music |
| 00:41.56 | stoned | your face will be black |
| 00:41.58 | stoned | when I'm done with you |
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| 00:42.06 | stoned | was that too hard to understand? |
| 00:42.09 | eldowan | stoned: That is what the comment was about. |
| 00:42.12 | mfrisch | stoned: green not black |
| 00:42.24 | eldowan | stoned: Are you that dense, you don't understand comprehension when its typing at your face? |
| 00:42.25 | stoned | no |
| 00:42.27 | stoned | not you eldowan |
| 00:42.36 | stoned | olskolirc, that was fairly easy to understand |
| 00:42.38 | PingFloyd | he means bruised, btw |
| 00:42.44 | PingFloyd | :) |
| 00:42.47 | bib | turn to black = slap me to be a panda? |
| 00:43.02 | eldowan | stoned: you must remember, not everyone in #debian has english as a fluent language. |
| 00:43.09 | stoned | including me |
| 00:43.22 | netgod | heh C is the universal language |
| 00:43.23 | eldowan | stoned: and thus, you must remember. :D |
| 00:43.31 | eldowan | netgod: what about K? |
| 00:43.31 | stoned | my sentence structure is horrible. My grammar suffers. I can't spell worth shit. |
| 00:43.41 | stoned | no, wrong. |
| 00:43.48 | stoned | Music is the universal language. |
| 00:43.50 | stoned | :D |
| 00:43.52 | eldowan | stoned: you spell better than 50% of the high school students I graduated with. |
| 00:43.58 | PingFloyd | netgod: hah |
| 00:44.00 | eldowan | stoned: I thought it was body language. |
| 00:44.03 | netgod | some college students cant spell either |
| 00:44.07 | abrotman | wtf |
| 00:44.11 | olskolirc | eldowan is arogant |
| 00:44.15 | abrotman | netgod: or use apostrophes ? |
| 00:44.19 | bib | body language? |
| 00:44.21 | mfrisch | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:44.34 | netgod | abrotman: touche |
| 00:44.35 | PingFloyd | olskolirc: why do you say that? |
| 00:44.35 | olskolirc | abrotman: heyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
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| 00:44.40 | eldowan | olskolirc: No, I went to a public school that most people shared the same last name. |
| 00:44.42 | stoned | eldowan, what if you have no limbs? or are paralyzed? |
| 00:44.56 | olskolirc | so you are from virginia eldowan ? |
| 00:44.58 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:44.58 | olskolirc | he he |
| 00:45.00 | olskolirc | brb |
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| 00:45.09 | stoned | eldowan, well, it could still be said for if you're deaf then music isn't even a bother |
| 00:45.13 | stoned | nevermind, I have no piont |
| 00:45.19 | stoned | abrotman, whats up homie |
| 00:45.22 | abrotman | hi |
| 00:45.26 | bib | hi |
| 00:45.37 | PingFloyd | is it like uncommon to go to public school these days? |
| 00:45.38 | stoned | abrotman, you cold up there yet? |
| 00:45.43 | eldowan | stoned: if you are paralyzed, how are you supposed to communicate through music anyway? |
| 00:45.52 | stoned | eldowan, I just thought about that |
| 00:45.53 | abrotman | stoned: i'm inside |
| 00:46.07 | bib | hahaha |
| 00:46.09 | stoned | abrotman, obviously |
| 00:46.12 | stoned | smartass |
| 00:46.15 | stoned | lol |
| 00:46.26 | bib | got the bug |
| 00:46.31 | stoned | bug |
| 00:46.33 | stoned | evil but |
| 00:46.35 | stoned | bug* |
| 00:46.41 | stoned | !exp4bugs |
| 00:46.41 | dpkg | from memory, exp4bugs is "Where do you get experience points for battling the evil bugs?" |
| 00:47.38 | dvs | philly gets cold? ;-) |
| 00:47.39 | mfrisch | bib: you can't get that through irc right? |
| 00:47.39 | bizinichi | sup? |
| 00:47.39 | GeorgeS069 | yes it gets cold in Philly |
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| 00:47.40 | abrotman | dvs: eh? :) |
| 00:47.40 | dvs | heh |
| 00:47.40 | abrotman | it was colder here yesterday |
| 00:47.45 | bib | mfrisch I mean someone caught the bug of another one's words |
| 00:47.48 | GeorgeS069 | it's 32F outside right now |
| 00:48.04 | olskolirc | what do you guys use for repository mirrors |
| 00:48.11 | bizinichi | that's a secret |
| 00:48.16 | olskolirc | k |
| 00:48.26 | eldowan | olskolirc: I use kernel.org |
| 00:48.48 | PingFloyd | olskolirc: the idea is to the use the one that is closest in terms of routing |
| 00:48.49 | bib | O.o, 32F ~= 0C? |
| 00:48.52 | olskolirc | i have two of those, main and sources and its still stalling out on me |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | olskolirc: use your country code one |
| 00:48.55 | olskolirc | just added it too |
| 00:49.05 | abrotman | olskolirc: or for you .. use the carroll.aset.psu.edu |
| 00:49.08 | olskolirc | hell i don't knwo where they are |
| 00:49.08 | GeorgeS069 | Looks like we might get some snow tonight |
| 00:49.10 | abrotman | olskolirc: or pair.net |
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| 00:49.32 | olskolirc | ok abrotman just add pair.net not deb before it or anything? |
| 00:49.33 | PingFloyd | olskolirc: check on debian.org |
| 00:49.40 | abrotman | olskolirc: are you on sarge ? |
| 00:49.45 | olskolirc | yes |
| 00:49.59 | abrotman | use apt-setup .. choose mirrors.pair.net (pair is in pittsburgh) |
| 00:50.10 | olskolirc | woooo hoooooo ok |
| 00:50.39 | bib | where is the location of the pair.net? |
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| 00:51.24 | abrotman | i just said .. |
| 00:51.33 | abrotman | or check their website |
| 00:51.47 | olskolirc | got it |
| 00:51.56 | olskolirc | i should add them all huh |
| 00:52.05 | olskolirc | jis wondering |
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| 00:52.18 | PingFloyd | make sure you add security also |
| 00:52.27 | bib | hehe |
| 00:52.28 | olskolirc | i dont have any of those |
| 00:52.30 | PingFloyd | for security updates |
| 00:52.31 | olskolirc | how do i get those |
| 00:52.51 | olskolirc | gee i thought it came with it :-( |
| 00:52.52 | olskolirc | im new |
| 00:53.26 | abrotman | apt-setup does it |
| 00:53.37 | olskolirc | oh i gottem |
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| 00:55.56 | olskolirc | woooooo moving right along! |
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| 00:56.01 | olskolirc | my repositories work now |
| 00:56.07 | olskolirc | thanks fellez |
| 00:56.11 | eldowan | olskolirc: That is always good. |
| 00:56.21 | olskolirc | thanks cute arogant guy |
| 00:56.49 | eldowan | olskolirc: not arogant, though you can spell my name with letters left over from it |
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| 00:58.37 | olskolirc | i have 3 different repositories in here, do i need the others. it seems to like mirrors.kernel.org |
| 00:58.43 | nethenson | well, i think i cant rip "Lord of War" in matroska nor in other format. :( |
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| 00:58.50 | olskolirc | and how do i add the multimedia repository back here |
| 00:58.54 | olskolirc | i reformatted last night |
| 00:59.02 | olskolirc | i installed etch and hated it! |
| 00:59.03 | amphi | nethenson: oh, well - it's not much good anyway ;) |
| 00:59.07 | olskolirc | so now im back with stable |
| 00:59.09 | nethenson | at least not from this dvd: hda: media error (bad sector): |
| 00:59.14 | jelly-home | !debian-multimedia |
| 00:59.14 | dpkg | i heard debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 00:59.43 | pablo_ | hi, which p2p network do you recommend? |
| 00:59.45 | olskolirc | oh wow i can't copy and paste with ksirc |
| 00:59.47 | olskolirc | damn |
| 00:59.49 | nethenson | damn copy-restrictors... and they dare to put the dvd-logo in the box!! |
| 00:59.52 | eldowan | nethenson: you need libdvdcss2 |
| 01:00.09 | abrotman | pablo_: on debian ? |
| 01:00.12 | eldowan | nethenson: assuming your'e using 'nix |
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| 01:00.27 | nethenson | eldowan: yes, etch ehere xD |
| 01:00.32 | pablo_ | abrotman: yes |
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| 01:00.58 | eldowan | nethenson: you need the debian-multimedia repo active and available. |
| 01:01.28 | eldowan | nethenson: libdvdcss2 provides css descrambling, which is a must on damn near any commercially produced dvds |
| 01:01.36 | nethenson | eldowan: I am using a ./configure-make-installed mplayer, which uses libdvdcss-1.2 |
| 01:01.49 | eldowan | nethenson: You *are* making a legal backup or media you legitemately purchased, yes? |
| 01:01.53 | nethenson | other dvds can be seen right :S |
| 01:01.57 | olskolirc | ok im hating ksirc |
| 01:02.00 | nethenson | eldowan: I am yes |
| 01:02.00 | olskolirc | pretty thought |
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| 01:02.04 | olskolirc | though* |
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| 01:02.31 | nethenson | eldowan: it is legitemately purchased |
| 01:02.37 | twobitsp1ite | how do I change my console keymap? dpkg-reconfigure console-common just finds the default and uses it... doesn't prompt me |
| 01:02.38 | eldowan | nethenson: I couldn't get 'next friday' to be seen with it. Recently there have been some additions to css keys. |
| 01:03.06 | twobitsp1ite | and google only finds stuff for changing specific keys in the current keymap... i.e. remapping capslock, etc |
| 01:03.15 | abrotman | !keymap |
| 01:03.15 | dpkg | To change your console keymap, run "dpkg-reconfigure console-data". To change your X keymap, read "man xmodmap" or ask me about "set up x". if you have X check into xkeycaps and xev, or also ask me about drxx |
| 01:03.28 | nethenson | do you think that if I ask the clerk at the videoclub to talk the dvd drive, the dvd-drive will start reproducing it? |
| 01:03.51 | eldowan | nethenson: some newer dvds by sony and others use keys that current css decrypters can't use. In cases like this, I would recommend using windows and having a SW dvd player. Have it start the movie and then stop playing. The key should be still able to be used, and another program can decrypt it to the HDD |
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| 01:04.11 | twobitsp1ite | abrotman: awesome, thanks... |
| 01:04.33 | bib | lol |
| 01:04.41 | twobitsp1ite | next question ;) ... when in console, M-F1, M-F2, etc don't work... I have to use M-<left> etc |
| 01:04.57 | twobitsp1ite | !vterm |
| 01:04.59 | nethenson | eldowan: the thing is not that I see green squares or something, the thing is that the dvd is spining very fast, and lots of 'sector error' in the dmesg |
| 01:05.19 | nethenson | eldowan: but yes, it is a sony movie |
| 01:05.34 | eldowan | nethenson: yes, if the system can't decrypt the movie, you will get nothing but bad reads. |
| 01:05.44 | nethenson | ok ok, I see |
| 01:05.59 | bib | do we really need dvd or hd-dvd to backup now? |
| 01:06.17 | abrotman | twobitsp1ite: chvt! |
| 01:06.20 | eldowan | bib: I don't understand |
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| 01:06.36 | nethenson | eldowan: so this is the way the encourage me to purchase dvds? |
| 01:06.36 | bib | hdd is the future |
| 01:06.44 | shwag | my eth0 is showing up in dmesg, but ifconfig -a it does not exist. Ive never seen this before. |
| 01:07.10 | nethenson | eldowan: next time i will use amule, and everything will be muuch more easy |
| 01:07.14 | stoned | hi shwag |
| 01:07.15 | eldowan | nethenson: it is the way to *protect* you from yourself. |
| 01:07.27 | amphi | heh |
| 01:07.32 | eldowan | nethenson: I wouldn't trust any movie downloaded to have any decent quality. |
| 01:07.34 | bib | the modern hdd is fit for the vcd backup |
| 01:07.35 | shwag | stoned: help me |
| 01:07.40 | stoned | shwag, ! |
| 01:07.42 | stoned | whats up man |
| 01:07.45 | nethenson | eldowan: oh, yes... i am trying to view my dvd in linux... thanks sony for avoiding that |
| 01:07.58 | shwag | stoned: my eth0 is showing up in dmesg, but ifconfig -a it does not exist. Ive never seen this before. |
| 01:08.05 | amphi | nethenson: complain to them ;) |
| 01:08.07 | nethenson | eldowan: i wont trust a dvd to be played in linux xD |
| 01:08.14 | bib | 100G HDD ~= 100 vcds |
| 01:08.16 | eldowan | nethenson: Yes, but most older dvds should work. Give it a few months, and hopefully a new lib will be out |
| 01:08.16 | justin | nethenson: all you should have to do is install vlc and run /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/examples/install-css.sh |
| 01:08.21 | shwag | stoned: im trying to copy my existing server image to other computers. no matter what hardware I copy it to, that the problem. no matter what eth card. |
| 01:08.28 | eldowan | nethenson: are you in the USA? |
| 01:08.32 | shwag | stoned: dmesg shows it, ifconfig -a does not show it. |
| 01:08.36 | nethenson | eldowan: spain, european union |
| 01:08.41 | eldowan | nethenson: n/m |
| 01:08.46 | shwag | stoned: ifconfig eth0 up Device not found. |
| 01:08.54 | stoned | shwag, I have no idea how computers work. |
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| 01:09.16 | eldowan | shwag: check your /etc/network/interfaces file. If you have a typo that will happen |
| 01:09.25 | nethenson | justin: I will do that libdvdread3 thing |
| 01:09.47 | nethenson | (and thanks everybody for having patience with my rants) |
| 01:09.50 | eldowan | justin: Does libdvdread3 include access for the newly implemented css keys? |
| 01:09.53 | stoned | libdvdcss2 |
| 01:10.02 | stoned | !dmm |
| 01:10.02 | dpkg | somebody said dmm was Debian Multimedia, a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. http://debian-multimedia.org - Also see <marillat> factoid (/msg dpkg marillat) |
| 01:10.04 | eldowan | stoned: doesn't work with all movies |
| 01:10.08 | stoned | have fun |
| 01:10.11 | eldowan | stoned: been done already. |
| 01:10.13 | stoned | it works for every movie I've ever played |
| 01:10.13 | eldowan | scroll up. |
| 01:10.18 | bib | lol |
| 01:10.19 | stoned | and I play indian movies, american movies |
| 01:10.23 | shwag | eldowan: no typo. |
| 01:10.23 | eldowan | stoned: next friday? |
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| 01:10.30 | stoned | yes it works for all 3 friday movies |
| 01:10.33 | PingFloyd | maybe it's a blessing in disguise though, with Sony's rootkit shinanigans |
| 01:10.43 | eldowan | stoned: hmm. I must have a bad disc. |
| 01:10.49 | stoned | eldowan, probably |
| 01:10.54 | stoned | possibly |
| 01:11.04 | shwag | stoned: eldowan: the computers function fine with a clean ubuntu install though. just not with an existing image. |
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| 01:11.16 | eldowan | stoned: blockbuster rental. I had to resurface it to play in my dvd player |
| 01:11.25 | justin | eldowan: what new keys? |
| 01:11.37 | stoned | shwag, check your /etc/network/interfaces file. paste that on pastebin. along with your dmesg |
| 01:11.59 | eldowan | shwag: load a livcd, and copy the interfaces file over, and see if that helps. Also make sure that your nic is detected. lspci -n, lspci -v |
| 01:12.01 | stoned | eldowan, that would explain it, I think |
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| 01:12.16 | shwag | stoned: well i can't, because the network card doesnt work on the machine. but I assure you its legit because it is near the same as the one I am logged into right now. |
| 01:12.32 | abrotman | shwag: dmesg | grep -i eth |
| 01:12.36 | shwag | eldowan: yah...the nic shows up in dmesg. eth0. |
| 01:12.41 | eldowan | justin: recently new css keys were introduced, and it breaks most non-official dvd decryptors, including many/all linux and windows dvd backup |
| 01:12.57 | justin | eldowan: source? |
| 01:12.57 | [GNU]Order | How come I can't install kernel-image? Apt-get kept bugging me to remove my kernel-image and after a while I gave in thinking I could reinstall a later kernel. Now I can't install any kernel-image. |
| 01:12.59 | shwag | abrotman: thats whats so wierd. If it wasnt in dmesg, I would understand. But its in dmesg, just not ifconfig. |
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| 01:13.01 | iNick | okay, something is bugging me. I can't type any sanity when my KVM (it's all I can guess) is spewing keycodes the kernel doesn't recognize. it's always one of two codes, how can I use setkeycode to IGNORE that code?? |
| 01:13.08 | justin | [GNU]Order: linux-image-... ? |
| 01:13.15 | stoned | [GNU]Order, afaik its called linux-image |
| 01:13.18 | eldowan | justin: don't remember right now. |
| 01:13.43 | [GNU]Order | apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 |
| 01:13.53 | abrotman | shwag: okay .. what is eht0 ? |
| 01:13.58 | [GNU]Order | that was the image it removed. |
| 01:13.59 | shwag | abrotman: eth0 |
| 01:14.28 | [GNU]Order | let me try linux-image. |
| 01:14.28 | BrianSteffens | abrotman: eth0 = ethernet network interface |
| 01:14.28 | PingFloyd | in sarge it's kernel-image |
| 01:14.29 | abrotman | no shit smart asses .. |
| 01:14.29 | eldowan | wireless, internal nic, onboard? |
| 01:14.30 | abrotman | shwag: what kind of card is it ? |
| 01:14.32 | [GNU]Order | Couldn't find package linux-image |
| 01:14.38 | stoned | lol |
| 01:14.47 | stoned | [GNU]Order, which debian distro? |
| 01:14.53 | eldowan | [GNU]Order: are you on etch, or sarge? |
| 01:14.53 | shwag | abrotman: ive tried on two different machines, two different network cards, same result. one is an intel, the other is a broadsomething |
| 01:14.54 | abrotman | kernel-image for sarge |
| 01:14.57 | [GNU]Order | err, sarge |
| 01:15.03 | abrotman | shwag: broadcom sucks! |
| 01:15.05 | stoned | listento abrotman |
| 01:15.05 | eldowan | [GNU]Order: kernel-image |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | shwag: anyways .. |
| 01:15.07 | PingFloyd | now the backports for sarge are kernel-image though |
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| 01:15.19 | iNick | okay, something is bugging me. I can't type any sanity when my KVM (it's all I can guess) is spewing keycodes the kernel doesn't recognize. it's always one of two codes, how can I use setkeycode to IGNORE that code?? |
| 01:15.25 | abrotman | shwag: tried a different cable ? |
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| 01:15.41 | shwag | abrotman: to make sure you know what i am doing...both servers work fine with clean installs. But I am trying to rsync an existing server image over. When I do that, thats where the network card issue comes up. |
| 01:15.51 | PingFloyd | so if your running sarge, perhaps it's a mix up in how you have pinning set? |
| 01:16.01 | abrotman | shwag: static or dhcp ? |
| 01:16.03 | eldowan | shwag: give eth0 a static IP, and unplut the cable, and ifup eth0. |
| 01:16.08 | [GNU]Order | Is there a place to easily find the default kernel config so I can compile my own? I was able to install the kernel source. |
| 01:16.14 | eldowan | s/unplut/unplug/ |
| 01:16.18 | shwag | abrotman: one machine says No available buffers....other one says No device found. Pretty much the same error, little bit different. |
| 01:16.25 | eldowan | !tell [GNU]Order about debian kernel |
| 01:16.35 | eldowan | !tell [GNU]Order about kp |
| 01:16.39 | scruffy | any of you happenin' cats know how to have the bell use the alsa-attached sound system rather than the barely-audible-from-across-the-room system speaker? |
| 01:16.42 | abrotman | eldowan: wtf |
| 01:16.46 | shwag | abrotman: static or dhcp no matter. ifconfig -a thinks eth0 does not exist. dmesg says eth0 exists though. |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | !kernel config |
| 01:16.49 | dpkg | hmm... kernel configs is found in /boot/config-* for installed kernels, and a collection of (hopefully currently) available kernel configs can be found at http://vireo.org/~stew/kconfig/ |
| 01:16.51 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 01:16.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
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| 01:16.57 | stoned | !tell me this |
| 01:17.00 | stoned | !tell me that |
| 01:17.01 | shwag | abrotman: dmesg says eth0 loaded fine. |
| 01:17.05 | [GNU]Order | thanks |
| 01:17.16 | shwag | abrotman: just never makes it to ifconfig |
| 01:17.24 | eldowan | !abuse stoned for abusing the bot |
| 01:17.25 | shwag | abrotman: where does ifconfig read device information from ? |
| 01:17.48 | iNick | okay, something is bugging me. I can't type any sanity when my KVM (it's all I can guess) is spewing keycodes the kernel doesn't recognize. it's always one of two codes, how can I use setkeycode to IGNORE that code?? |
| 01:17.59 | stoned | !tell iNick about repeat |
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| 01:18.08 | eldowan | iNick: patience |
| 01:18.10 | abrotman | shwag: maybe /proc/ |
| 01:18.17 | eldowan | Behold, the Return of Bhall |
| 01:18.19 | shwag | is the mac address hard coded somewhere ? |
| 01:18.26 | eldowan | All hail the god of murder |
| 01:18.37 | eldowan | shwag: the mac is on a chip on the nic |
| 01:19.06 | eldowan | shwag: yes, it is hard-coded. the first half of the mac is actually the vendor code if I'm remembering correctly. |
| 01:19.08 | netgod | shwag: yes, its burned into the ROM of the network card -- but its only read at boot, and it can in fact be changed by the kernel if need be |
| 01:19.13 | shwag | eldowan: abrotman: do you guys have a /etc/iftab |
| 01:19.28 | nethenson | justin: I cant find that install-css.sh in libdvdread3 :S (http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=libdvdread3&version=testing&arch=i386) |
| 01:19.29 | iNick | stoned, eldowan: well, any acknoledgement would be better than nothing. |
| 01:19.42 | Dewi | hmm |
| 01:19.46 | Dewi | I have a user who forgot her password |
| 01:19.49 | Dewi | and passwd says: |
| 01:19.49 | Dewi | passwd: The user name supplied is too long. |
| 01:20.02 | stoned | Dewi, is the user hot? |
| 01:20.05 | eldowan | iNick: try a different cable. are you sure it is the kvm? |
| 01:20.05 | Dewi | please tell me I don't have to create her an entirely new account? |
| 01:20.14 | eldowan | shwag: I don't have /etc/iftab |
| 01:20.15 | Dewi | stoned: she's fucking my boss. |
| 01:20.17 | Dewi | stoned: so no. |
| 01:20.21 | netgod | how long is it? |
| 01:20.25 | stoned | Dewi, well bosses can be hot |
| 01:20.29 | Dewi | stoned: mine isn't |
| 01:20.33 | iNick | eldowan: well, i am 99% sure -- linux previously hadn't given me problems on this box. |
| 01:20.33 | mfrisch | Dewi: tough luck |
| 01:20.35 | stoned | Dewi, life sucks. |
| 01:20.40 | tictac | have a stupid question. |
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| 01:20.43 | eldowan | Dewi: so the user is fucking your boss? |
| 01:20.47 | Dewi | so why does passwd have a length limit? |
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| 01:20.51 | stoned | lol |
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| 01:21.01 | iNick | the KVM doesn't have interchangeable parts, it's fairly cheap, but windows, dos, BSD, etc never complain, just Linux (ALL distros) |
| 01:21.08 | stoned | HAHAHA I'm sorry that was hilarious |
| 01:21.24 | eldowan | iNick: hmmm. try a different keyboard? |
| 01:21.31 | mfrisch | Dewi: its pretty long why can't you passwd user as root ? ;-) |
| 01:21.35 | tictac | back in the old woody installation.. you selected a module.. and the system scanned to see if the device was found.. if so.. it completed sucessfully. if not it returned an error and wouldnt install the module. |
| 01:21.40 | tictac | what was this called? |
| 01:21.45 | Dewi | stoned: I'm just glad I didn't include the invocation in my paste... all you know is that her name is long :D |
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| 01:21.52 | iNick | eldowan: not possible at this moment. what else can we consider? |
| 01:22.05 | eldowan | iNick: ps/2 or usb? |
| 01:22.23 | abrotman | shwag: i don't |
| 01:22.25 | iNick | PS/2 Keyboard, PS/2 KVM |
| 01:22.37 | Dewi | so anyway, how do I change a passwd if passwd hates me? |
| 01:22.45 | shwag | abrotman: ooppss...sorry. ubuntu specific. |
| 01:22.45 | Dewi | people used to use webmin for this crap |
| 01:22.50 | Dewi | but I uninstalled that awful awful thing |
| 01:22.53 | abrotman | shwag: eh ? |
| 01:22.55 | iNick | i know the keycode, is there something I can use to have the kernel IGNORE it? |
| 01:23.06 | eldowan | iNick: I'm not sure I would recommend this, but with all the boxes I have tried, I can swap the keyboard and mouse plugs. you *might* consider plugging the KB into the mouse port. |
| 01:23.06 | mfrisch | Dewi: its pretty long why can't you passwd user as root ? ;-) |
| 01:23.15 | Dewi | mfrisch: I am root |
| 01:23.16 | shwag | abrotman: ubuntu keeps a /etc/iftab " assigns persistent names to network interfaces" |
| 01:23.19 | stoned | Dewi, sudo passwd username. Create a new user with her name shortened. Delete the newly created /home/blahxxx and mv /home/prev.user /home/shorter.user.name. |
| 01:23.31 | netgod | Dewi: edit /etc/passwd to shorten her name, change the password with passwd, then edit the name back |
| 01:23.34 | amphi | shwag: that's ifrename |
| 01:23.35 | stoned | Dewi, this might not be such a good solution |
| 01:23.39 | Dewi | I don't want to shorten her name |
| 01:23.43 | stoned | oh |
| 01:23.43 | Dewi | and adjust it everywhere it appears |
| 01:23.47 | stoned | did I misunerstand |
| 01:23.48 | abrotman | shwag: are you asking us about ubuntu ? |
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| 01:23.49 | Dewi | I just want to set a password |
| 01:23.49 | streuner_ | netgod: hi :-) |
| 01:23.51 | mfrisch | Dewi: and your doing what I've been saying? |
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| 01:23.59 | Dewi | mfrisch: I am root |
| 01:24.04 | Dewi | mfrisch: I don't understand what you're saying |
| 01:24.10 | shwag | amphi: whats ifrename ? |
| 01:24.19 | netgod | streuner_: re |
| 01:24.21 | eldowan | Dewi: copy over her password hash with a known hash, log in as her, and use passwd as the local user |
| 01:24.21 | iNick | eldowan: that, i honestly just won't do. won't even consider it. is there no way to ignore it? setkeycode has no reference to "ignore" keycodes. |
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| 01:24.38 | stoned | eldowan, he gets error "username is too long" |
| 01:24.43 | h3sp4wn | shwag: are you using etch or sarge ? |
| 01:24.43 | amphi | shwag: that uses /etc/iftab (by default) |
| 01:24.46 | Dewi | eldowan: as her! |
| 01:24.48 | eldowan | iNick: Unfortunately, I've never used anything like that. sorry. |
| 01:24.49 | mfrisch | Dewi: whats her login; dboss do; passwd dboss change it |
| 01:24.51 | netgod | Dewi: if u are root, u can su directly to her |
| 01:25.03 | Dewi | yeah, I get it now |
| 01:25.06 | netgod | Dewi: the real solution tho is to limit usernames to the system limit :P |
| 01:25.07 | Dewi | that seems to work! |
| 01:25.08 | shwag | amphi: but its not standard, needs to be emerged ? |
| 01:25.09 | eldowan | Dewi: or do as netgod says and su into her as root. |
| 01:25.14 | iNick | eldowan: honest answer. not the answer I was hoping for, but honest answer nonetheless. Anyone else care to give it a shot? |
| 01:25.15 | tictac | is there anyway to detect what type of device is using a certain block? suchas, more information on /dev/ts0 |
| 01:25.16 | stoned | hehe.. into her |
| 01:25.18 | stoned | hehe |
| 01:25.19 | Dewi | netgod: trust webmin to create bullshit on my system |
| 01:25.22 | amphi | shwag: pardon? |
| 01:25.24 | h3sp4wn | shwag: better to use udev |
| 01:25.26 | netgod | Dewi: indeed |
| 01:25.35 | shwag | h3sp4wn: i am using udev though |
| 01:25.37 | stoned | webmin is the devil |
| 01:25.47 | stoned | !webmin |
| 01:25.47 | dpkg | webmin is probably a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 01:25.49 | eldowan | stoned: don't badmouth the devil |
| 01:25.50 | Dewi | it created this really stupidly long username... |
| 01:25.56 | shwag | amphi: meant, apt-get install |
| 01:25.59 | Dewi | which is how we got to here :) |
| 01:26.00 | tictac | err /dev/input/ts0 |
| 01:26.00 | h3sp4wn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:26.02 | stoned | eldowan, hey! that was my line |
| 01:26.09 | eldowan | stoned: you broke your rule. |
| 01:26.14 | eldowan | !abuse stoned |
| 01:26.15 | dpkg | stoned: Shut your festering gob, you tit! |
| 01:26.21 | amphi | shwag: ;) yeah, ifrename is not installed by default |
| 01:26.22 | stoned | eldowan, no rule. I broke no rule. |
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| 01:26.35 | shwag | amphi: hmm...i dont have ifrename,, but i have /etc/iftab |
| 01:26.37 | netgod | Dewi: why not shorten it and set a mail alias in /etc/aliases so nobody notices |
| 01:26.37 | stoned | eldowan, webmin IS the devil. The previous thing was worse than the devil. |
| 01:26.39 | eldowan | stoned: you badmouthed the devil. you are supposed to have his back |
| 01:26.42 | netgod | Dewi: except her, of course |
| 01:26.53 | eldowan | webmin === paganini? |
| 01:26.53 | amphi | shwag: ask dpkg whence it came |
| 01:26.59 | shwag | amphi: how |
| 01:27.00 | stoned | eldowan, we need to ...lol |
| 01:27.10 | stoned | eldowan, I'll spank you! |
| 01:27.22 | amphi | shwag: dpkg -S /etc/iftab |
| 01:27.25 | iNick | ** sigh.. no other help. well, I guess I won't be using Linux. |
| 01:27.26 | eldowan | tsk, tsk, tsk, promiises... |
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| 01:27.49 | stoned | iNick, way to have a defeatest attitude |
| 01:27.49 | shwag | amphi: dpkg -S /etc/iftab |
| 01:27.51 | stoned | doh |
| 01:27.58 | shwag | amphi: /etc/iftab not found |
| 01:28.17 | shwag | amphi: /etc/iftab is there though |
| 01:28.28 | amphi | shwag: so whence came it there? |
| 01:28.45 | amphi | shwag: unless you uninstalled ifrename without purging... |
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| 01:29.34 | Dewi | argh |
| 01:29.41 | Dewi | I don't know how to salt the password hash |
| 01:29.58 | Dewi | nothing is ever easy |
| 01:30.23 | magefile | i'm trying to do a pxe install, and my tftp server keeps timing out on splash.rle. i'm controlling the install over a serial cable, so is there anyway to get rid of this file altogether? |
| 01:30.26 | eldowan | Dewi: why salt the password hash? |
| 01:30.38 | Dewi | eldowan: shadow passwords... they are salted |
| 01:30.42 | eldowan | rm splash.rle |
| 01:30.47 | Dewi | eldowan: aren't they? |
| 01:30.49 | stoned | mmm... salted hashes |
| 01:30.53 | mfrisch | you want fries with that hash |
| 01:30.59 | eldowan | Dewi: copy the hash from a user that has a known password. |
| 01:31.02 | stoned | they should start giving those out on air planes |
| 01:31.13 | rahul | !wayttd Dewi |
| 01:31.13 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, Dewi? |
| 01:31.15 | stoned | mini cokes and salted hashes |
| 01:31.17 | netgod | Dewi: yes they are; why not edit her name in /etc/passwd so u can use passwd normally? |
| 01:31.19 | abrotman | Dewi: man crypt |
| 01:31.20 | eldowan | stoned: salted hash sounds good |
| 01:31.24 | magefile | eldowan, it's looking for that file ... i need to know how to make it *not* request that file |
| 01:31.28 | Dewi | netgod: because I don't want to change the name |
| 01:31.29 | stoned | eldowan, come to pakistan, we have plenty |
| 01:31.41 | eldowan | stoned: pakistan, OK? |
| 01:31.46 | stoned | lol, yeah |
| 01:31.55 | Dewi | abrotman: how do I use crypt without writing a C program? |
| 01:31.56 | netgod | Dewi: is the mighty hand of god preventing you from changing it back as soon as passwd is done? |
| 01:31.59 | Dewi | abrotman: I knew some way once |
| 01:32.11 | eldowan | stoned: PM |
| 01:32.20 | stoned | ok |
| 01:32.40 | netgod | Dewi: i suspect Perl has an interface to it |
| 01:32.56 | mfrisch | netgod: this is for his day job\ |
| 01:33.00 | abrotman | dewey: perl ? :) |
| 01:33.15 | PingFloyd | hehe, oh please not that, not turning down Linux, anything but that |
| 01:33.27 | dondelelcaro | blech. Why use crypt? use chpasswd |
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| 01:33.41 | netgod | if the passwd file is holy, then create a throwaway user with the new password, then hack /etc/shadow to paste the hash into the old user |
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| 01:34.51 | sgeigerbot2 | What's a common program that has no readline support? (I want to test rlwrap, a package I recently found. The nc example isn't working as I expected...and I don't want to install smbclient, which is used in another example.) |
| 01:35.35 | netgod | lack of readline is uncommmon :-) |
| 01:35.45 | sgeigerbot2 | Okay, telnet worked fine. Nice. |
| 01:36.02 | sgeigerbot2 | netgod: Not long ago even python seemed to not have it (or it wasn't on by default). |
| 01:36.42 | eldowan | netgod: that is basicly what I've been telling dewi to do. hack the shadow file |
| 01:37.08 | netgod | all i can think of are some lisp interpreters and maybe psql, but those are huge things |
| 01:37.16 | streuner_ | hm, interesting do you want give lessons about hacking passwords ...? |
| 01:37.26 | netgod | hack the planet |
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| 01:37.46 | cld2 | anyone know about lvm2 snapshots? |
| 01:37.48 | streuner_ | yeah, specially the clima, we had bad weather in .de :-) |
| 01:37.55 | cld2 | or an alternate form of snapshots? |
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| 01:38.20 | eldowan | netgod: isn't hack from hacker, which is an experienced computer user who can modify things to suit the need of the day? |
| 01:38.40 | netgod | eldowan: it is indeed |
| 01:38.48 | dondelelcaro | eldowan: it didn't originally even apply to a computer user. |
| 01:38.51 | karsten | eldowan: jargon file. |
| 01:38.56 | PingFloyd | hacker back when I used to read k-power as a kid, meant someone that is a computer geek more or less |
| 01:38.57 | karsten | !hacker |
| 01:38.57 | dpkg | rumour has it, hacker is someone that hacks. see hacking. or an interesting essay can be found at http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/hacker-howto.html Someone who plays with stuff, and figures things out just to satisfy his own idle curiosity. |
| 01:39.24 | PingFloyd | supposedly the term came from "hacking on the keyboard" |
| 01:39.39 | karsten | eldowan: And I believe the etymology is different: hacking => hacker => hack |
| 01:39.46 | dondelelcaro | PingFloyd: it's much older than keyboards either. |
| 01:40.15 | PingFloyd | yeah, there were hackers in the middle ages ;) |
| 01:40.22 | PingFloyd | even before that |
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| 01:41.15 | netgod | to the general public, being a 'hack' is bad; but to geek culture, its can be a badge of honor, a sign that you truly understand, at a deep level, whats going on, and can change it |
| 01:41.22 | streuner_ | sgeigerbot2: some people don't change there behavior, why did i give up about you? |
| 01:41.32 | netgod | instead of just clicking a happyface in webmin, a hacker can actually go in and fix the problem in text files |
| 01:41.33 | PingFloyd | netgod: that's because the media is stupid |
| 01:41.40 | rahul | uh |
| 01:41.49 | dondelelcaro | a hack is completely different from a hacker. |
| 01:41.55 | rahul | netgod: being a hack has always meant that you have little talent |
| 01:41.56 | netgod | heck, a real hacker could replace the lib C that does the authentication :P |
| 01:42.00 | pmv | hehe |
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| 01:42.43 | netgod | PingFloyd: ah thats what they'd like you to think |
| 01:42.45 | Dewi | netgod: I'd love to pretend I understand all the fields in /etc/shadow just from memory, but I don't |
| 01:42.48 | Dewi | however |
| 01:42.52 | Dewi | I did manage to paste that hash |
| 01:42.54 | Dewi | and get into the account |
| 01:42.58 | karsten | Dewi: man 5 shadow |
| 01:42.58 | Dewi | and run passwd |
| 01:43.17 | Dewi | also this machine has no vi** scripts |
| 01:43.22 | netgod | actually the media is shrewd as hell, its their customers that are stupid, so they produce dumb things because their goal is to make money, not to educate the public |
| 01:43.27 | Dewi | and I'm not sure what they exist to protect |
| 01:43.28 | netgod | education doesnt make money |
| 01:43.29 | karsten | Dewi: simply clearing the password field would suffice. You'd have no passord, get back in, set one. |
| 01:43.45 | Dewi | karsten: oh... good point |
| 01:44.18 | netgod | heh |
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| 01:44.22 | sgeigerbot2 | streuner_: Ditto. |
| 01:44.28 | Dewi | I dunno, getting an education in the states seems to cost a bloody fortune |
| 01:44.35 | stoned | eldowan, PM |
| 01:44.35 | sgeigerbot2 | streuner_: :-) Nice to see you again. Was gibt's? |
| 01:44.35 | Dewi | somebody's gotta be making money off that |
| 01:44.44 | rahul | Dewi: no, that's not an education |
| 01:44.45 | netgod | karsten: im not sure outsiders quite understand the cynical and ruthless attitude in media |
| 01:44.49 | rahul | that's a piece of paper |
| 01:45.02 | rahul | getting an education is free. |
| 01:45.04 | karsten | netgod: outsiders are a cynical media myth. |
| 01:45.09 | Dewi | rahul: heh. |
| 01:45.15 | Dewi | rahul: no, what I got was a piece of paper |
| 01:45.18 | PingFloyd | educational institutions must have more money these days too, with the way they advertise like mad |
| 01:45.18 | netgod | heh |
| 01:45.19 | yonkeltron | is there xen stuff in etch? |
| 01:45.21 | sgeigerbot2 | ~dickstats |
| 01:45.34 | yonkeltron | !xen |
| 01:45.34 | dpkg | from memory, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 01:45.34 | Dewi | rahul: but I meant a proper university education |
| 01:45.34 | sgeigerbot2 | !dickstats |
| 01:45.34 | dpkg | [dickstats] see bot abuse |
| 01:45.42 | Dewi | rahul: I'm sure they still exist somewhere |
| 01:46.02 | magefile | in the netboot files, what references splash.rle? |
| 01:46.04 | netgod | PingFloyd: such ads may be a sign of desperation; the ivy league doesnt have to plug themselves |
| 01:46.25 | rahul | Dewi: they exist anywhere you want to get it. money is irrelevant. |
| 01:47.03 | Dewi | rahul: kind of |
| 01:47.22 | Dewi | rahul: only if your topic is strenuously documented on the internet |
| 01:47.34 | rahul | Dewi: eh, not really |
| 01:47.37 | Dewi | and has a community there |
| 01:47.48 | PingFloyd | there's libraries too |
| 01:47.50 | rahul | you can just go to a university and start talking to professors |
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| 01:48.08 | Dewi | most professors don't have time to lecture you for free |
| 01:48.09 | {bad_girl} | hello |
| 01:48.26 | mfrisch | rahul: they arrest people around here for that |
| 01:48.37 | PingFloyd | most professors can go on forever |
| 01:48.50 | PingFloyd | if you spark the right conversation |
| 01:49.03 | netgod | most universities will let u use their physical library (and databases) for a small yearly fee |
| 01:49.16 | netgod | that gives u access to stuff that isnt on google, which tends to be the best stuff |
| 01:49.19 | PingFloyd | there's always the public library as well |
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| 01:49.34 | Dewi | PingFloyd: if you want to learn how to trim your garden, sure |
| 01:49.36 | rahul | public libraries in urban areas are shit... |
| 01:49.44 | PingFloyd | Dewi: depends on the library |
| 01:49.44 | netgod | Dewi: hehe well said |
| 01:49.45 | karsten | rahul: ILL |
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| 01:49.58 | karsten | rahul: InterLibrary Loan. Ask about it. |
| 01:50.08 | rahul | karsten: from other urban libraries, yeah |
| 01:50.18 | karsten | rahul: Dude. Ask. |
| 01:50.32 | karsten | rahul: It may not be fast, but odds are pretty good you can get what you're looking for. |
| 01:50.33 | PingFloyd | if you live out in the stick, chances are the library is gonna suck |
| 01:50.36 | netgod | yes but how would u know you want that book, unless youve glanced at it in context on its shelf, and touched it? |
| 01:50.45 | netgod | theres a lot to be said for physical books, when it comes to dense technical data |
| 01:50.50 | karsten | netgod: There's this really cool new thing that's coming out. |
| 01:50.52 | dondelelcaro | netgod: it's called citations and indexes. |
| 01:50.55 | karsten | netgod: Computers. |
| 01:51.09 | karsten | netgod: .... online catalogs. References from elsewhere. Amazon if you must. |
| 01:51.18 | netgod | heh |
| 01:51.21 | streuner_ | netgod: are you still DD? |
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| 01:51.43 | netgod | all im saying is u loose a little bit of serendipity in the research, by relying only on indices instead of instinct |
| 01:51.53 | netgod | streuner_: im retired |
| 01:51.58 | karsten | netgod: Sure. Life sucks. Get used to it. |
| 01:52.09 | Dewi | PingFloyd: there are 2 million people in the 50km around here |
| 01:52.13 | dondelelcaro | netgod: there's no way to even begin to do that in a serious research library with millions of volumes |
| 01:52.20 | Dewi | PingFloyd: but I still can't find an education at the library |
| 01:52.27 | Dewi | PingFloyd: unless it's a uni one |
| 01:52.35 | PingFloyd | Dewi: takes effort |
| 01:52.40 | rahul | karsten: I'm honestly not sure where you can get ILLs in the NY public library system outside of NY public libraries |
| 01:52.40 | karsten | rahul: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interlibrary_loan |
| 01:52.44 | PingFloyd | and resourcefulness |
| 01:52.54 | Dewi | netgod: my gf said that yesterday! |
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| 01:53.00 | Dewi | netgod: what are you people on about? |
| 01:53.11 | netgod | dondelelcaro: sure there is: u go to your call number, grab a book, go to the research librarian, and say got anything else this good? |
| 01:53.19 | PingFloyd | like a book that you want may be checked out, but nowadays, you can telnet in most libraries |
| 01:53.25 | Dewi | netgod: she said "let's go to a textbook shop", and I said "look online first", and she said "what about the serendipity!" |
| 01:53.29 | karsten | rahul: where in NY/NYC are you? |
| 01:53.34 | karsten | rahul: ... and the NYPL is excellent. |
| 01:53.35 | netgod | Dewi: heh |
| 01:53.36 | rahul | karsten: manhattan |
| 01:53.42 | karsten | rahul: Dude! |
| 01:53.48 | rahul | karsten: I dunno. it's never open :P |
| 01:53.50 | dondelelcaro | netgod: um... there are almost no research libraries who know the areas I research as well as I do |
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| 01:54.04 | netgod | dondelelcaro: oh ok, so this may not apply to u then |
| 01:54.14 | Azar | rahul dates karsten nananaaa. nanaanaaa.. |
| 01:54.19 | rahul | heh |
| 01:54.22 | netgod | Dewi: heh yeah thats the two opposing philosophies in a nutshell |
| 01:54.23 | garotosopa | hi. I'm on debian testing and everytime I try to install a kde app it trys to remove firefox and installs cpp and gcc 4.1 along with some kdelibs. are there anything I could do to fix this? |
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| 01:54.26 | dondelelcaro | netgod: research librarians are useful when you don't understand how to use citations, indexes and how to use LOC numbers. |
| 01:54.44 | rahul | it's ironic that the public library is closed in the evenings except for one day a week |
| 01:54.53 | manchicken | Is a move from kubuntu to debian as easy as a sources change and then an apt-get upgrade/ |
| 01:54.54 | rahul | you'd think students would use it... |
| 01:54.56 | netgod | Dewi: guys tend to know what they intend to find before they hunt for it; girls sometimes just go to the general area and see what happens |
| 01:55.06 | Azar | rahul: they use it still... for making up |
| 01:55.15 | PingFloyd | finding books ... dewey decimal system |
| 01:55.16 | karsten | garotosopa: What release? firefox may be a transition package in etch/testing. |
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| 01:55.17 | netgod | Dewi: im lucky in that ive lived near some massive research libraries in the US, with stuff u just cant get for free |
| 01:55.31 | Dewi | my public library abolished the dewey system |
| 01:55.34 | karsten | manchicken: No. |
| 01:55.40 | karsten | manchicken: Rinstall. |
| 01:55.41 | Dewi | because it wasn't making it easy enough to find the self-help books |
| 01:55.44 | karsten | manchicken: reinstall even. |
| 01:55.46 | manchicken | didn't think it would be. Wishful thinking. |
| 01:55.48 | PingFloyd | Dewi: do they have computers though? |
| 01:56.02 | PingFloyd | with some form of cataloging system? |
| 01:56.17 | Dewi | PingFloyd: not really the point. The point is that all real knowledge books have been stripped out of the libraries in my city |
| 01:56.29 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: the dewy decimal system is only useful for tiny libraries |
| 01:56.32 | Dewi | PingFloyd: it's all just self-help and howtos... no real knowledge |
| 01:56.51 | karsten | manchicken: They're different distros. |
| 01:56.54 | garotosopa | karsten, release? you mean er... debian 4.0 ? |
| 01:57.01 | freespace | so its all imaginary knowledge! |
| 01:57.01 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I'm talking about libraries where non-fiction is just divided into 4 or 5 "categories" and that's it |
| 01:57.06 | manchicken | Yeah. I figured one's a derivative of another. |
| 01:57.10 | Azar | Dewi: your city has something against intelectuals? |
| 01:57.10 | netgod | the real knowledge probably wasnt circulating well, so they had to make more room for romance novels |
| 01:57.17 | karsten | garotosopa: stable / testing / unstable |
| 01:57.26 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: hrm. I've never been in a library like that |
| 01:57.27 | karsten | garotosopa: ... a/k/a sarge, etch, sid |
| 01:57.28 | manchicken | karsten: Does debian have an installer that won't wipe out the whole partition? |
| 01:57.40 | {bad_girl} | azar lol |
| 01:57.41 | rastilin | Dewi, You're from Australia? |
| 01:57.45 | Dewi | rastilin: yep |
| 01:57.51 | karsten | manchicken: You can manually partition / specify what's there. Ask channel I'm busy. |
| 01:57.54 | rastilin | Dewi, so am I. |
| 01:57.54 | manchicken | We need "switch" options ^_^ |
| 01:57.57 | garotosopa | karsten, etch |
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| 01:58.07 | netgod | manchicken: u can skip that step |
| 01:58.11 | karsten | manchicken: Basically: you've got several options, depends on how you're configured, I'd create a backup of anything critical. |
| 01:58.35 | rastilin | Dewi, so the question is, which library? |
| 01:58.39 | Dewi | rastilin: corinda |
| 01:58.40 | netgod | Dewi: ACT or somewhere else? it sounds pretty bad there |
| 01:58.42 | karsten | Where the f*ck are given PAM modules documented as to what they do, specifically? |
| 01:58.44 | Dewi | rastilin: it used to be one of brisbane's larger |
| 01:58.48 | Dewi | rastilin: but now it sucks |
| 01:59.02 | freespace | hehe, rastilin |
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| 01:59.20 | rastilin | Dewi, hey I live in Brisbane too. Indooroopilly, our library is excellent. Don't they all get managed the same way, they even exchange staff regularly |
| 01:59.34 | Azar | Dewi in your country still black cats, science books and witches are burned? |
| 01:59.37 | Dewi | rastilin: actually I have moved now; I live a few hundred metres from there |
| 01:59.38 | PingFloyd | manoflinux: I don't know about the other branches, but sarge doesn't really make assumptions about your filesystem, if that's what you're wondering |
| 01:59.47 | freespace | no Azar |
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| 02:00.00 | Dewi | rastilin: but I still won't be using it for serious research |
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| 02:00.10 | Dewi | rastilin: where in ind. do you live? |
| 02:00.34 | rastilin | Dewi, down Station rd from the shopping center, you can't miss it. |
| 02:00.47 | Azar | you guys have a solid reason to ask for a green card in the USA if your govt suppress the books in the libraries. |
| 02:00.52 | Dewi | rastilin: what, in the tall one above the coffee club? |
| 02:01.00 | Dewi | rastilin: or one of the adjacent? |
| 02:01.09 | rahul | Azar: yeah, you'd be a refugee :) |
| 02:01.19 | Azar | rahul: exactly |
| 02:01.34 | rastilin | Dewi, the one that's one block wide and four storeys tall |
| 02:01.37 | Azar | opressing the people's need of knowledge |
| 02:01.40 | rahul | babylon university's library has 0 books, btw... totally looted. |
| 02:01.46 | streuner_ | Who get a status as reguee nowadays? NOBODY! ;-) |
| 02:01.50 | netgod | is it a suppression, or an optimization? libraries are duty bound to look at the circulation records, and stock the books average people want to read -- and average people are getting dumber |
| 02:01.55 | Dewi | rastilin: I live 2 doors down from JB Hifi |
| 02:02.02 | Dewi | rastilin: on the other side of the centre |
| 02:02.11 | rastilin | Dewi, I think I've been there |
| 02:02.23 | Azar | hey if you can prove that your autorities are stealing your rights sure ... |
| 02:02.40 | Dewi | rastilin: been a while since I ran into random locals on #debian. |
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| 02:02.52 | abrotman | Dewi: i'm local! |
| 02:02.58 | GeorgeS069 | lol |
| 02:02.58 | rastilin | Dewi, Corinda's shopping plaza I mean. |
| 02:03.03 | Dewi | Azar: um... in Australia education is a hell of a lot freer than in the US |
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| 02:03.15 | abrotman | and dumberer! |
| 02:03.16 | Dewi | rastilin: no, I live in Indooroopilly now... about 3 mins walk from you |
| 02:03.18 | Azar | Dewi: so where are the books gone from the libraries? |
| 02:03.33 | Dewi | Azar: They are in universities |
| 02:03.33 | karsten | !OT |
| 02:03.34 | dpkg | well, ot is off topic |
| 02:03.38 | Dewi | Azar: but they still cost some money |
| 02:03.39 | Azar | abrotman: you from Australia too? |
| 02:03.41 | streuner_ | Dewi: that's no suprise, but be prepared that will change in short time everywhere :-) |
| 02:03.52 | abrotman | Azar: no ... earth .. duh |
| 02:03.56 | PingFloyd | abrotman: appearantly, if their library system is an indication |
| 02:03.56 | Azar | ;) |
| 02:04.16 | Dewi | Azar: I just do not expect that the average US population centre has a local free research library |
| 02:04.19 | karsten | Dewi: Azar PingFloyd : #debian-offtopic |
| 02:04.27 | Dewi | karsten: k |
| 02:04.30 | sam_uk | i am on 64 studio a bastardised version of debian so please ignore me if this is not the place to ask, i seem to have seiously broken my install and any suggestions would be appriciated http://pastebin.ca/321088 |
| 02:04.43 | Azar | Dewi: in universities, and who is not at uni, uses the net |
| 02:04.58 | Azar | I wish the american population would enjoy reading more... |
| 02:05.06 | mfrisch | sam_uk: does that mean amd-64 or something |
| 02:05.14 | abrotman | !tell sam_uk about bts |
| 02:05.24 | netgod | Dewi: no theres only maybe a dozen public ones, called 'repository' libraries -- new york, los angeles, chicago, etc.; theyre in large, well-funded cities |
| 02:05.35 | sam_uk | amd64 with a low latency kernel |
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| 02:05.40 | netgod | Dewi: the typical city has typical self-help books and fiction collection |
| 02:05.48 | Dewi | netgod: brisbane does have one, but I haven't been there in years |
| 02:05.55 | Dewi | so I can't comment on its effectiveness |
| 02:06.11 | mfrisch | sam_uk: are you using a newer install cd? |
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| 02:06.54 | Dewi | Azar: I'd like to hear a rumour about when etch is getting released... haven't heard any new ones in over a month |
| 02:07.04 | sam_uk | just the standard studio 64, i am trying to update over the net |
| 02:07.22 | {bad_girl} | sam_uk i'm about giving up linux whith 64 bits |
| 02:07.30 | mfrisch | sam_uk: what is your apt line? |
| 02:07.53 | mfrisch | {bad_girl}: mine works |
| 02:08.00 | {bad_girl} | i'm 2 weeks ty to make the basic stuff stable |
| 02:08.00 | sam_uk | mfrisch sorry what do you mean? |
| 02:08.11 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch no it don`t lol |
| 02:08.23 | Azar | Dewi: to be honest with you, deep inside my heart I hope it takes as long as it gets. My hardware works ok in Sarge :) |
| 02:08.24 | mfrisch | {bad_girl}: even got wmv 9 movies working |
| 02:08.38 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch that not the only problem |
| 02:09.00 | Azar | Finally Azar found a topic to chew on: Debian and localhost.localdomain |
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| 02:09.54 | mfrisch | sam_uk: cat /etc/apt/sources.list put the line >>>> |
| 02:10.05 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch the sound gets crasy ... when have 2 sound cards in others distros this not happend the flash crash a ltos espeicually when it is working whith firefox compiled from etch debian |
| 02:10.16 | {bad_girl} | more stabe when is compiled from the source |
| 02:10.27 | cleit0n | where i take one source.list t5o etch? |
| 02:10.53 | {bad_girl} | websiets crashing in the debian build firefox and no flash |
| 02:11.12 | Azar | cleit0n: what Debian version and kernel version are you using now? |
| 02:11.12 | {bad_girl} | the login windows cames me |
| 02:11.12 | {bad_girl} | sometimes cames login others times don`t |
| 02:11.20 | mfrisch | {bad_girl}: I am having similar probs with two sound cards but they work, they just allways switch the default. |
| 02:11.25 | {bad_girl} | no need login happend to me 3 times and gets normal whithout i do nahing |
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| 02:11.37 | cleit0n | Azar, Linux debian-br-cdd 2.6.8-2-686 |
| 02:11.43 | {bad_girl} | the menus the persons can`t edit then |
| 02:11.56 | {bad_girl} | the gnome version is the 6.14 |
| 02:12.00 | Azar | cleit0n: you mean you are using Debian stable ? or Debian testing? |
| 02:12.04 | {bad_girl} | ?! |
| 02:12.05 | mfrisch | {bad_girl}: your nit picking |
| 02:12.34 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch i got modules that works whith some software and others don`t |
| 02:12.49 | cleit0n | Azar, sarge |
| 02:12.55 | {bad_girl} | my experience whith 64 bits debian is getting cruisel |
| 02:13.04 | Azar | cleit0n: and you want to upgrade to Debian Etch ? (testing)/ |
| 02:13.07 | Azar | ? |
| 02:13.27 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch i'm thinking if this willbe the next stable version is scare me :| |
| 02:13.27 | mfrisch | {bad_girl}: so you've been helping them fix this stuff? |
| 02:13.58 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch like i say allmost everything work but i have one week try to stable this and is a litle suck :\ |
| 02:14.01 | cleit0n | Azar, etch or sid.. |
| 02:14.15 | Azar | cleit0n: sid is bad, but etch can be ok |
| 02:14.15 | cleit0n | Azar, sid is very broken? |
| 02:14.22 | cleit0n | ok |
| 02:14.22 | Azar | cleit0n: yes |
| 02:14.29 | Azar | cleit0n: hold on |
| 02:14.32 | cleit0n | Azar, in have the mirror |
| 02:14.50 | {bad_girl} | only today i have 20 30 crashs here |
| 02:14.54 | sam_uk | mfrisch what did you mean to tell me about my sources list? i misunderstand.. |
| 02:15.12 | {bad_girl} | and my build is more stable then the build that debian is ofering don`t know :| |
| 02:15.15 | Azar | cleit0n: BEFORE you try to go up to Etch, please read this: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
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| 02:15.44 | mfrisch | sam_uk: if you run that command it tells you what your sources.list has listed run it |
| 02:16.12 | sam_uk | i know what is in my sources list, do you want to see it? |
| 02:16.21 | dvs | sure! |
| 02:16.25 | mfrisch | sam_uk: please |
| 02:16.25 | abrotman | !tell sam_uk about bts |
| 02:17.25 | sam_uk | http://pastebin.ca/321101 |
| 02:17.38 | {bad_girl} | mfrisch and how can i help to fix this stuff? |
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| 02:18.08 | mfrisch | {bad_girl}: well complaining isn't working! |
| 02:18.32 | cleit0n | Azar, i dont find |
| 02:18.35 | {bad_girl} | lol that what i'm try to do lol |
| 02:18.39 | abrotman | !sarge->etch |
| 02:18.39 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list (# editor /etc/apt/sources.list), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing to debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. |
| 02:18.42 | {bad_girl} | and try to resolve it |
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| 02:18.45 | Azar | http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 02:18.51 | Azar | cleit0n: ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ |
| 02:19.13 | sam_uk | {bad_girl} i found setting up a32 bit chroot was easy and works well, 32 bit firefox etc...as per http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/amd64.jspx |
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| 02:19.18 | olskolirc | ? |
| 02:19.20 | Azar | cleit0n: there are important notes and recommendation for preparing before the upgrade to etch |
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| 02:20.55 | Azar | ...therefore can read much more |
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| 02:21.06 | mfrisch | Azar: can you see the colors man |
| 02:21.19 | dvs | mfrisch: sure. rose is a color! |
| 02:21.26 | [Cadet] | Old age |
| 02:21.26 | Azar | mfrisch: who cares about colours? I read black on white or white on black ok |
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| 02:21.35 | {bad_girl} | sam_uk 2.0.0.1 work`s many more stable then 1.5.0.1 whith "there are not firefox to 64 bits " |
| 02:22.00 | Azar | mfrisch: the colours are only in my head... no need to see them around |
| 02:22.21 | sam_uk | is it safe to force install of x-11-common? is it worth a try as a last resort? |
| 02:22.39 | Azar | my eyes are better with cli than with gui |
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| 02:25.45 | {bad_girl} | i'm felling frustrated lol |
| 02:25.56 | olskolirc | ? |
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| 02:26.10 | cleit0n | Azar, u have one source lis to etch? |
| 02:26.25 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:26.25 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:26.30 | abrotman | !tell cleit0n about sarge->etch |
| 02:26.32 | eldowan | netgod: what is a better alternative than the decimal system at the library? |
| 02:26.43 | dvs | eldowan: the alphabet? |
| 02:27.12 | eldowan | yeah, yeah, yeah. |
| 02:27.32 | cleit0n | abrotman, i delete my /etc/apt/source.list |
| 02:27.42 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:27.46 | abrotman | run apt-setup |
| 02:27.56 | netgod | eldowan: dewey is great for general public, but when u have a research library with 1000 books on a subject all numbered 625.19199262 or whatever, the library of congress system is better |
| 02:28.05 | abrotman | !u |
| 02:28.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 02:28.23 | netgod | eldowan: in the US nearly all universities use the LC for everything, not dewey |
| 02:28.25 | eldowan | abrotman: what prompted the repeat !u? |
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| 02:28.38 | abrotman | two different people typing like morons? :) |
| 02:28.41 | eldowan | netgod: hmm. haven't attended any university. |
| 02:28.57 | abrotman | netgod: only larger Unis do |
| 02:29.09 | eldowan | abrotman: hmmm. I must have missed the first. sorry. |
| 02:29.21 | rahul | abrotman: raritan valley community college uses LoC numbering... |
| 02:29.39 | netgod | ok, communitty colleges may still use dewey, because theyre not doing research |
| 02:29.40 | rahul | if that's larger, I don't know what's smaller |
| 02:29.54 | abrotman | rahul: sounds amish |
| 02:30.00 | rahul | amish? heh |
| 02:30.13 | abrotman | rahul: ever heard of Cheney ? |
| 02:30.23 | abrotman | isn't raritan like 2k ? |
| 02:30.25 | rahul | which one? heh |
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| 02:31.19 | rahul | wow, it has 11,000 students. of course most of them wouldn't be full-time |
| 02:31.35 | rahul | or even degree-seeking |
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| 02:32.15 | eldowan | netgod: I see the superiority of the LoC for large collections of books. thanks for the info. |
| 02:32.41 | rahul | LoC also includes fiction books in it's scheme |
| 02:33.16 | rahul | cool for browsing the stacks to find books that are actually similar instead of just being similar genres |
| 02:33.45 | dondelelcaro | in fiction, it's good too because authors books are generally together as well. |
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| 02:33.56 | dondelelcaro | (often in a good library organized by subgenre and time) |
| 02:34.03 | netgod | i thought nobody browsed stacks anymore -- that serindipity was dead :-) |
| 02:34.19 | rahul | drunken stack-browsing is cool |
| 02:34.22 | abrotman | rahul: cheyney is way smaller |
| 02:34.23 | dondelelcaro | netgod: you don't need to actually look at the stacks anymore though... |
| 02:34.47 | rahul | especially if you run into a hot chick |
| 02:34.52 | rahul | heh |
| 02:35.00 | rahul | hrm, better head downtown |
| 02:35.22 | dondelelcaro | netgod: http://scotty.ucr.edu/search/cQA76.76.O63+M372+1999/cqa+++76.76+o63+m372+1999/-3,-1,,E/browse FE |
| 02:35.41 | agent | is there an equivalent of xterm -fa in rxvt(-unicode)? |
| 02:35.55 | agent | (yeah, i know not debian specific) |
| 02:36.14 | rahul | System 7 revealed / Anthony Meadow. !!! |
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| 02:41.12 | speyer | why my mplayer does wokrd in full screen ? |
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| 02:41.36 | abrotman | ask #mplayer |
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| 02:42.24 | {bad_girl} | speyer do you try to type f |
| 02:42.36 | eldowan | or start it with -fs |
| 02:42.45 | speyer | yes |
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| 02:43.37 | TheBlueWizard | what is this message "#debian can't join channel (need to be using a registered nick)" ... especially when my nick is already registered ... ? |
| 02:43.58 | eldowan | TheBlueWizard: then /msg nickserv identify <passwd> |
| 02:44.14 | dondelelcaro | TheBlueWizard: this channel isn't +r, so I'm not sure what the problem is. |
| 02:44.30 | dondelelcaro | (nor is it +R) |
| 02:44.31 | TheBlueWizard | eldowan: I already identified my nick |
| 02:44.45 | TheBlueWizard | hmm... |
| 02:44.54 | eldowan | TheBlueWizard: don't know. weird. |
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| 02:49.01 | kmeyer | is there an apt-get command to reinstall a package, but make it re-fetch the file from the repository? |
| 02:49.27 | dondelelcaro | kmeyer: you can just remove it from the cache and it'll reget it. |
| 02:49.32 | kmeyer | ok |
| 02:49.33 | dondelelcaro | kmeyer: alternatively, apt-get clean; will do it also. |
| 02:49.38 | kmeyer | thanks much |
| 02:49.40 | dondelelcaro | (but will remove all of the other packages from the cache as well) |
| 02:50.00 | kmeyer | dondelelcaro: and how can I remove that package specifically? |
| 02:50.07 | mnuhmnuh | dondelelcaro: TheBlueWizard: I don't know +r or +R ... Could this be ident? I recommend http://www.alcyone.com/software/fauxident/ |
| 02:50.20 | dondelelcaro | !fn modes |
| 02:50.20 | dpkg | i heard umodes is http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml |
| 02:50.22 | dondelelcaro | mnuhmnuh: see above. |
| 02:51.00 | mnuhmnuh | dondelelcaro: Thx. |
| 02:51.06 | speyer | how do i install driver for VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
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| 02:52.25 | abrotman | speyer: in sarge ? |
| 02:52.33 | speyer | etch |
| 02:52.57 | eldowan | speyer: try i810 in !drxx |
| 02:53.18 | speyer | ok |
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| 02:53.43 | speyer | already there Driver "i810" |
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| 02:54.20 | speyer | my xorg.conf http://pastebin.ca/321130 |
| 02:54.35 | abrotman | error log is probably more helpful |
| 02:56.03 | speyer | http://pastebin.ca/321132 |
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| 02:57.43 | eldowan | speyer: I think intel puts out linux drivers for its IGP chips. |
| 02:58.50 | eldowan | speyer: http://www.intel.com/support/graphics/sb/cs-006059.htm |
| 02:59.05 | eldowan | could be a starting point |
| 03:00.20 | eldowan | speyer: start from here, and follow the directions. http://www.intel.com/support/chipsets/sb/cs-011594.htm |
| 03:00.22 | cornernote | hi, whats the package to sync my time with a timeserver ? |
| 03:00.45 | eldowan | ntpdate? |
| 03:00.51 | speyer | eldowan thank you |
| 03:00.53 | dondelelcaro | !set the time |
| 03:00.53 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 03:01.01 | dondelelcaro | cornernote: do the above. |
| 03:01.22 | eldowan | sweet, I got it 33% score! |
| 03:01.53 | cornernote | thanks |
| 03:02.11 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: set the time =~ s/ntp-simple/ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch)/ |
| 03:02.11 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: that doesn't contain 'ntp-simple' |
| 03:02.27 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: set time =~ s/ntp-simple/ntp-simple (or just ntp in >= etch)/ |
| 03:02.27 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 03:04.33 | {bad_girl} | give up gona unistall my 64 to desktop and install the 64 in the test drive |
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| 03:04.50 | cld2 | can anyone tell me about running lvm2 on top of a software raid devices? should I just let lvm control the mirroring? |
| 03:06.31 | speyer | eldowan The DRI drivers can not be installed without the latest kernel modules.Installation will be aborted. See the dri.log file for information onwhat went wrong |
| 03:07.05 | speyer | The script will now compile the agpgart module and DRM kernel modules for your machine |
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| 03:07.17 | speyer | how do i get the drm module first |
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| 03:09.29 | speyer | how does git:// url works ? |
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| 03:10.21 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:10.21 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:10.42 | speyer | ? |
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| 03:10.49 | dvs | http://www.cowswithguns.com/ |
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| 03:11.39 | eldowan | speyer: Sorry, I can't help you with any of that. Make sure you have the headers for your kernel installed. |
| 03:11.52 | SkramX | how do I see if eth0 is gigabit or not? |
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| 03:12.19 | SkramX | mii-tool doesnt do gigabit, IIRC |
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| 03:12.38 | abrotman | ethtool ? |
| 03:13.24 | SkramX | i was unaware such existed |
| 03:13.26 | SkramX | lemme look |
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| 03:16.27 | SkramX | how do I edit startup items in Debian? |
| 03:16.27 | Guerin | SkramX: /msg dpkg services |
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| 03:17.05 | linux2 | hey can anyone help me with this |
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| 03:17.13 | linux2 | i have a sever running scponlyc |
| 03:17.26 | linux2 | which jail uses to their root dir when they connect via sftp |
| 03:17.33 | linux2 | now when i try to connect it comes up with |
| 03:17.49 | linux2 | Connection to host (domain name) is broken |
| 03:17.54 | linux2 | whats that mean and how can i fix it |
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| 03:18.08 | linux2 | if i set them up for scponly (not jailed) it works fine |
| 03:18.10 | linux2 | any ideas? |
| 03:18.31 | SkramX | Guerin: what about confirming a system sees the line plugged into it as gigabit? |
| 03:18.45 | SkramX | abrotman: what commands with ethtool? |
| 03:19.08 | Guerin | SkramX: dmesg? |
| 03:19.25 | SkramX | http://pastie.caboo.se/34160 |
| 03:19.26 | SkramX | :\ |
| 03:19.49 | Guerin | SkramX: don't tell me, I don't care. Look in it yourself |
| 03:19.58 | SkramX | dayum. |
| 03:20.02 | SkramX | sure thing |
| 03:20.34 | Dorao | is there a sid source for amd64 packages? |
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| 03:21.42 | Guerin | Dorao: yes. |
| 03:21.46 | abrotman | Dorao: no ..it's just a normal source |
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| 03:22.14 | lkthomas | guys |
| 03:22.18 | lkthomas | after I run tzselect |
| 03:22.22 | lkthomas | my time didn't change |
| 03:22.25 | lkthomas | should I reboot ? |
| 03:22.50 | Guerin | no |
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| 03:23.01 | lkthomas | I changed my timezone already |
| 03:23.01 | Dorao | I tried deb http://amd64.debian.net/debian sid main contrib and that doesn't work... |
| 03:23.10 | abrotman | that's wrong |
| 03:23.12 | abrotman | it's a normal source |
| 03:23.17 | abrotman | tzconfig |
| 03:23.22 | lkthomas | hmm |
| 03:23.39 | Dorao | what do you mean by normal mean? |
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| 03:25.14 | eldowan | Dorao: the regular debian mirrors should have what you are looking for. ftp.debian.org and others. |
| 03:25.26 | lkthomas | abrotman, thanks, working now |
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| 03:25.44 | abrotman | !tell Dorao about mirrors |
| 03:27.46 | hagabaka | if I want to allow a non-root user to mount with FUSE, should i change the group for /dev/fuse to a group including the user? |
| 03:27.59 | hagabaka | or should i do something with the "fuse" group instead? |
| 03:29.44 | abrotman | what's the group owner of /dev/fuse ? |
| 03:30.02 | hagabaka | currently it's root:root |
| 03:31.07 | hagabaka | but http://www.linuxformat.co.uk/modules.php?op=modload&name=PNphpBB2&file=viewtopic&t=5068 says "Fuse lets anybody who has access to the /dev/fuse device mount and unmount filesystems - they don't have to be the superuser." |
| 03:31.19 | hagabaka | i wanted to make sure it's the same in debian |
| 03:31.46 | hagabaka | i also saw there was a fuse group, and i'm not sure if that's provided for this purpose |
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| 03:32.42 | SexyKen | What is the purpose of the load average in "uptime" |
| 03:32.45 | SexyKen | and "top" |
| 03:33.04 | abrotman | they are averages |
| 03:33.17 | linux2 | i have a sever running scponlyc |
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| 03:33.23 | linux2 | now when i try to connect it comes up with |
| 03:33.27 | linux2 | Connection to host (domain name) is broken |
| 03:33.28 | PingFloyd | SexyKen: to give you a general idea |
| 03:33.33 | linux2 | whats that mean and how can i fix it |
| 03:33.39 | linux2 | anyone know? |
| 03:33.44 | abrotman | linux2: stop doing that |
| 03:33.54 | abrotman | linux2: what is scponlyc ? |
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| 03:34.39 | linux2 | abrotman: it is a program that doesn't allow users to login via ssh but still allows them to have access via scp and sftp (amoung other secure protocols) to access their files |
| 03:35.40 | PingFloyd | linux2: is it gnu? |
| 03:35.53 | linux2 | PingFloyd: as far as i know |
| 03:36.01 | linux2 | you can download it with apt-get |
| 03:37.14 | abrotman | so try undoing scponly .. and see if the problem persists |
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| 03:38.34 | cld2 | Can anyone elaberate on this syslog message. Im attempting to mount a lvm2 snapshot while the original lvm volume is still mounted. Thanks. Filesystem "dm-3": Disabling barriers, not supported by the underlying device XFS: Filesystem dm-3 has duplicate UUID - can't mount |
| 03:39.15 | abrotman | there is a #lvm .. might know more ... |
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| 03:40.11 | linux2 | abrotman: i know with scponly it works fine |
| 03:40.18 | linux2 | abrotman: if i use scponlyc i get the error |
| 03:40.26 | abrotman | wtf is the difference ? |
| 03:40.47 | linux2 | scponlyc uses CHROOT to jail users to their home dirs |
| 03:40.49 | PingFloyd | and wtf does the 'c' stand for? |
| 03:40.59 | PingFloyd | ah.. |
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| 03:43.50 | Alam_GNU | how do I change the label of a FAT(32) partition? |
| 03:48.10 | cld2 | abrotman: just fyi, It appears to be an XFS issue, not LVM, I reformated the the vol with ext3 and I can mount both the test vol and the snap vol at the same time. |
| 03:48.25 | abrotman | cld2: hey .. there's a #xfs too! |
| 03:48.39 | cld2 | abrotman: just typed /join #xfs ;) |
| 03:48.50 | abrotman | cld2: what if you recreate the XFS fs ? |
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| 03:50.08 | cld2 | abrotman: I dont follow? |
| 03:50.11 | SkramX | so.. what's the easiest way to go up from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 03:50.23 | abrotman | SkramX: which version fo debian ? |
| 03:50.34 | abrotman | cld2: you know .. recreate the FS ? |
| 03:50.44 | Dewi | I have a cron job that I am worried might not finish before the next scheduled run... will cron try to run the new instance before the old has terminated? |
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| 03:50.59 | stoned | modem |
| 03:51.11 | SkramX | abrotman: 3.1 |
| 03:51.21 | abrotman | Dewi: if i had to guess .. i'd say yes .. but not sure |
| 03:51.29 | abrotman | SkramX: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 03:51.35 | cld2 | abrotman: well I did that a few times, its an xfs thing. If I would have RTFM'ed a bit farther I would have seen this for XFS: -onouuid,ro is the option I need to mount a copy of an FS |
| 03:51.42 | SkramX | k |
| 03:51.43 | SkramX | thanks |
| 03:51.56 | abrotman | cld2: ah well .. as long as it works |
| 03:52.15 | cld2 | abrotman: yup. thanks. |
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| 03:53.44 | Dewi | abrotman: I am worried by this... what would be the sensible way to ensure an "exclusive" cron? |
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| 03:53.58 | abrotman | create a lock file |
| 03:54.12 | abrotman | or run.pid file etc ... |
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| 03:55.13 | abrotman | curt gave money! |
| 03:55.33 | curt | ehlo |
| 03:57.10 | abrotman | curt: how's ohio?! |
| 03:57.36 | curt | abrotman, good and cold .. |
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| 03:57.47 | abrotman | sounds about right for OH :) |
| 03:58.44 | curt | I guess the pdpc stuff doesn't show on my backup nick .. hehe |
| 03:59.14 | abrotman | curt: sure it does .. i just remembered :) |
| 04:00.34 | curt | pcmcia's doesn't seem to be reading this netgear card and I am not sure if it's the madwifi (now contrib not non-free) or the pcmcia |
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| 04:00.45 | curt | !moo |
| 04:00.45 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 04:00.59 | abrotman | curt: it networking starting before pcmcia ? |
| 04:01.02 | curt | I gotta get off my lazy ass. |
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| 04:01.52 | curt | new etch install .. it did on sarge but madwifi wasn't really backportable on sarge. |
| 04:03.00 | abrotman | anything in dmesg ? |
| 04:04.16 | curt | nothing wierd ath_hal is proprietary bah bah ifconfig ath0 up says nsd, ifconfig wlan up also says no such device |
| 04:04.47 | curt | I gotta stand, brb |
| 04:04.49 | abrotman | ifconfig -a .. show it ? |
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| 04:11.09 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 04:11.09 | dpkg | from memory, qotd143 is <antgel> wireless is for cocks |
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| 04:11.51 | curt | ifconfig -a only shows lo, this is a really old compaq 2800J .. |
| 04:12.07 | abrotman | but the card worked before ? |
| 04:12.32 | curt | !tell antgel this is for my 5 year old son |
| 04:13.02 | curt | I never tested it .. why is it so quiet in here? |
| 04:13.18 | abrotman | just is .. dunno |
| 04:13.30 | abrotman | about to get more quiet when i go to sleep :) |
| 04:13.48 | curt | I did try a lan card but I don't think that it was natively supported either. |
| 04:14.17 | curt | I wonder if it's the pcmcia .. maybe I need to start it? |
| 04:14.22 | abrotman | did you get the firmware ? |
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| 04:14.54 | curt | nah, I installed this one from cd's .. no net yet. |
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| 04:16.41 | curt | pccardctl supposed to do something? |
| 04:16.54 | abrotman | you can use it to show if the card is seen |
| 04:16.59 | abrotman | or cardmgr .. |
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| 04:18.04 | curt | no pcmcia driver in /proc/devices might mean something. |
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| 04:18.38 | abrotman | did you compile your own ? |
| 04:19.16 | curt | no |
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| 04:19.53 | curt | maybe m-a a-i pcmcia |
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| 04:20.47 | abrotman | pcmciautils ? |
| 04:21.20 | curt | install with tasksel laptop |
| 04:21.30 | curt | *installed |
| 04:21.30 | abrotman | ok |
| 04:21.43 | abrotman | there's an ... lspcmcia i think |
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| 04:22.38 | curt | lspcmcia = pccardctl |
| 04:23.22 | abrotman | ok |
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| 04:23.51 | abrotman | waves |
| 04:23.56 | curt | see ya |
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| 04:39.57 | niru | hello all |
| 04:40.02 | niru | I have a user manual |
| 04:40.15 | niru | I want to provide it in the help menu |
| 04:40.19 | niru | how can I do that |
| 04:40.44 | niru | example when we right click on the panel it shows help |
| 04:40.57 | niru | I want to give a submenu in that for my user manuala |
| 04:41.06 | niru | I am creating installable cd |
| 04:41.42 | niru | can anybody help me |
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| 04:48.36 | k-man | i'm trying to make a pre installed version of windows, so i can image it and ghost it onto new machines |
| 04:49.17 | k-man | but i'm having a driver issues |
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| 04:49.32 | k-man | when i put it on the new machine it crashes as some of the drivers are incorrect for the new machine. |
| 04:49.40 | litage | hi guys. for some reason, linux isn't detecting my IDE cdrom. it's detected by the bios during boot, but there's no mention of it in dmesg or /proc/ide/ . how can i debug this? |
| 04:49.55 | k-man | any ideas how to work around that? |
| 04:49.57 | mnuhmnuh | niru: What menu? Window manager? Which wm? |
| 04:50.05 | k-man | crap |
| 04:50.05 | Azar | niru heck if I understood what you said |
| 04:50.10 | k-man | wrong channel, sorry |
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| 04:50.57 | Azar | litage: did you look to see how is it listed in /etc/fstab? |
| 04:51.20 | niru | mnuhmnuh,Azar,I want to provide a user manual in the help portion |
| 04:51.25 | niru | how can I do that |
| 04:51.34 | Azar | niru: a user manual? a book? |
| 04:51.45 | niru | Azar,yes |
| 04:51.57 | Azar | niru: I have no idea how to insert a book in a PC |
| 04:52.15 | Azar | ..unless you want to type it all word by word in a .doc |
| 04:52.16 | niru | azar,it may be a html file as well |
| 04:52.49 | Azar | niru: simple: give the html file url to your friend, and he/she can bookmark it in firefox or, add it to favorites in ie |
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| 04:53.34 | litage | Azar: this is my cd-rom's fstab entry: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom0 iso9660 ro,user,noauto 0 0 |
| 04:53.57 | litage | Azar: though...the cd-rom's the only device on its channel, so that should probably be hda? |
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| 04:54.05 | Azar | litage: then try to mount one of two: mount /media/cdrom0 or mount /dev/hdc |
| 04:54.31 | Azar | litage: usually the cdrom is listed as /hdc |
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| 04:55.06 | litage | Azar: even if there aren't any HDs on the channel? |
| 04:55.19 | Azar | litage: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/user/ch-files.html#s-files-devices << read |
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| 04:55.31 | litage | Azar: reading... |
| 04:55.50 | litage | Azar: ``mount /media/cdrom0`` fails with "mount: special device /dev/hdc does not exist". /dev/hd* doesn't exist |
| 04:56.11 | Azar | "special device" ? huh? |
| 04:56.27 | Azar | as root : mount /dev/hdc |
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| 04:57.06 | litage | Azar: the same error occurs for ``mount /dev/hdc`` as root |
| 04:57.45 | Azar | litage: ok then read that manual |
| 04:57.55 | woolden | i have an etch system on a desktop. i want to copy the complete system over to a new notebook. both can be connected to a wlan. which is the easiest means to do it? |
| 04:58.00 | Azar | you read maybe only the first five lines... continue |
| 04:58.07 | litage | Azar: half-way through |
| 04:58.20 | Azar | too fast, read it slowly |
| 04:58.39 | Azar | woolden: wrong, you have a desktop on a etch |
| 04:59.18 | woolden | Azar: :D irrelevant. you have the answer for me? |
| 04:59.39 | Azar | woolden: nope never heard of an OS sitting on a desktop... I am sorry I do not know |
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| 05:00.26 | woolden | Azar: you obviously know nothing. next time, just STFU. |
| 05:00.52 | Azar | woolden: well its only me here to answer you and right now I don't feel like taking crap |
| 05:00.53 | litage | Azar: i just finished reading section 4.6 from the url you gave me. unfortunately, mounting failed. /dev/hd* doesn't exist, which means the cd-rom's not being detected |
| 05:01.09 | Azar | litage: did you do mount? |
| 05:01.23 | litage | Azar: yes |
| 05:01.32 | Azar | litage: and what it say? |
| 05:01.40 | woolden | Azar: go fuck yourself, you know nuts. i don't give a damn whether you are the only one here or not. |
| 05:01.58 | Azar | woolden: then you are left to ask yourself, nobody here to answer you |
| 05:02.01 | Azar | hehe |
| 05:02.03 | Azar | bye |
| 05:02.08 | Ilovemypuppy | get what you pay for |
| 05:02.10 | litage | Azar: output of mount: http://rafb.net/p/oa0HkT67.html |
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| 05:03.44 | Azar | litage: then it might be one of the many sda you got there |
| 05:03.47 | excise | how would I go about editing menu.lst? |
| 05:03.56 | Azar | strange it is listed in fstab as hdc and not in mount |
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| 05:04.43 | piper69 | hey guys |
| 05:04.49 | Azar | litage the sda are scsi drives is your cdrom a scsi type? |
| 05:04.56 | litage | Azar: it wouldn't be /dev/sda as that's my only HD. however, the only /dev/sd* is /dev/sda |
| 05:05.05 | piper69 | anyone had a problem installing debian on a dell dimension 8200 |
| 05:05.15 | litage | Azar: the cd-rom's a standard PATA drive |
| 05:05.39 | Azar | litage: huh? sda7, sda10 , sda8, sda9 ? <<< |
| 05:05.55 | Azar | ok if your hd is a sda, then one of the hda is the cdrom |
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| 05:06.09 | litage | Azar: /dev/hda doesn't exist |
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| 05:06.10 | Azar | wait, no sda either |
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| 05:06.16 | excise | can anyone help me out with grub? |
| 05:06.16 | Azar | hda* |
| 05:06.34 | Azar | litage: damn strange |
| 05:06.37 | piper69 | i can boot and from the install cd and config wireless network and as soon as i am at the partition and say write to disk it get stuck |
| 05:06.43 | litage | Azar: in my 2nd last msg, i meant to say this: however, the only /dev/sd* is /dev/sda* |
| 05:07.45 | Azar | man I never had such mount list on any of my boxes... you must have a weird box |
| 05:08.18 | litage | Azar: i doubt it. i've got fairly run-of-the-mill hardware |
| 05:08.19 | Azar | stoned! |
| 05:08.32 | Azar | litage: what Debian distro have you installed? |
| 05:08.50 | litage | Azar: Debian Etch |
| 05:08.53 | Azar | excise: sorry I only know lilo |
| 05:09.03 | excise | ahh okay |
| 05:09.06 | Azar | litage: oh maybe that why I never seen such |
| 05:09.09 | excise | thanks for answering |
| 05:09.24 | Azar | excise: maybe later when the real helpers are around |
| 05:09.34 | Azar | litage: you just installed? |
| 05:09.49 | Azar | gah must be those sata drives I have no idea of |
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| 05:10.03 | litage | Azar: nope. the problem's existed for >6 months. i just felt like fixing it now ;) |
| 05:10.04 | Azar | litage: refering to the HD |
| 05:10.41 | Azar | hmmm litage the bug might already be listed somewhere... |
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| 05:10.46 | unseensoul | hi |
| 05:10.57 | Azar | I got etch but upgraded from sarge on one of my boxes... everything goes normal |
| 05:11.15 | unseensoul | is there any php-gtk package for debian? |
| 05:11.46 | Rusty1 | excise normally you would, as root, use an editor to edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 05:11.58 | Azar | unseensoul: look for your stable/testin/unstable version here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages |
| 05:12.28 | unseensoul | thanks |
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| 05:12.43 | Azar | unseensoul: ignore Non-US it has been removed. |
| 05:13.45 | Rusty1 | excise: not meaning to be a wiseass but what are you trying to do? |
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| 05:15.05 | HermanDE | Hey folks.... |
| 05:15.44 | excise | Rusty1: I installed etch with only my os hd plugged in so in menu.lst that hd is listed as sda |
| 05:16.02 | excise | but when I plug in my other hds my os hd is sdb |
| 05:16.08 | n3kl | Is plugdev the group that one needs to mount and unmount devices? |
| 05:16.23 | excise | so I just wanted to change sda to sdb in menu.lst |
| 05:16.24 | HermanDE | I've got a new PE 2950 with 1TiB SAS running sarge with a backported kernel. The system is loaded with 4G and Sarge (32 bit) can only see 3G.... |
| 05:16.27 | HermanDE | Any suggestions? |
| 05:16.30 | piper69 | anyone had a problem installing debian on a dell dimension 8200,i can boot and from the install cd and config wireless network and as soon as i am at the partition and say write to disk it get stuck |
| 05:17.39 | CompWizrd | HermanDE: 64bit :) |
| 05:17.40 | excise | Rusty1: any ideas? |
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| 05:18.04 | HermanDE | CompWizrd: I like the idea.... But this has to be a production box. 64bit is not as official as 32bit.... |
| 05:18.36 | CompWizrd | well, you're up against a hardware limitation |
| 05:18.39 | HermanDE | CompWizrd: It get's ugly when stability is important.... |
| 05:18.50 | Rusty1 | excise: can you post yer menu.lst to pastebin? |
| 05:21.24 | excise | Rusty1: http://pastebin.com/862623 |
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| 05:24.51 | Rusty1 | excise: and your etch install is where now? |
| 05:25.10 | unlink | how do i get things to align on the right of the panel in XFCE? |
| 05:25.21 | excise | sda7 |
| 05:25.51 | excise | wait |
| 05:26.00 | excise | no, that's right |
| 05:26.03 | excise | sda7 |
| 05:26.31 | excise | sda5 is openSUSE, sda6 is Mepis, and sda7 is Etch |
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| 05:28.16 | excise | I just need to change everything that says sda* to sdb* |
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| 05:31.12 | Rusty1 | excise: not sure what you've done cableing wise, but you can edit menu.lst, right? |
| 05:32.18 | excise | I don't know how to in debian, that's my problem |
| 05:32.53 | excise | in other distros you can just log in at root, but with debian that doesn't seem to be the case |
| 05:33.08 | excise | or am I wrong? |
| 05:33.33 | Rusty1 | k, vi is the editor of choice for something like this. You need to edit it as root. |
| 05:33.51 | excise | okay |
| 05:34.01 | excise | is this something that you can walk me thru? |
| 05:34.08 | Rusty1 | to learn how to use vi , type man vi or look on the web |
| 05:34.39 | Azar | excise install vim and type: vimtutor |
| 05:35.02 | Rusty1 | i cant right now but maybe someone else can |
| 05:35.15 | Rusty1 | like Azar :-) |
| 05:35.22 | excise | Azar: how do I install vim? |
| 05:35.30 | Rusty1 | gnite |
| 05:35.33 | Azar | excise as root type: aptitude install vim |
| 05:35.40 | excise | sorry, I'm not a total retard, just relatively new to linux |
| 05:35.53 | excise | Rusty1: goodnight, thanks for your help |
| 05:35.58 | Azar | excise: well is a lot of learning |
| 05:36.10 | Rusty1 | excise: np |
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| 05:36.52 | excise | okay, installing |
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| 05:37.17 | excise | alright, done |
| 05:37.20 | Azar | excise: after install, open up a separate xterm then type: vimtutor |
| 05:37.28 | Azar | is interactive and shows you how to use it |
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| 05:48.51 | elik | Hi, I just reinstalled Windows and my grub got erased (as I expected). I had already downloaded Knoppix to load my hard drive, chroot on it and grub-install on #dev#hda |
| 05:48.58 | elik | eh, /dev/hda |
| 05:49.31 | Azar | ha! "Unable to verify the identity of debconf7.debconf.org as trusted site. ...blabla among others: You are connected to a site pretending to be debconf7.debconf.org possibly to obtain your confidential information hmmm |
| 05:49.52 | Azar | elik: don't know about knoppix |
| 05:50.11 | elik | Now, it gives me an error telling me I dont have access to /dev/null |
| 05:50.12 | Azar | we do debian here |
| 05:50.31 | elik | azar, I am trying to restore debian my friend |
| 05:50.44 | Azar | elik: ouch, with windows mix? sorry dunno |
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| 05:51.01 | Azar | helpers are out for lunch for the moment |
| 05:51.42 | elik | all the 644? |
| 05:51.44 | elik | damn... |
| 05:52.08 | Azar | they are not all helpers |
| 05:52.28 | Azar | but I do not see any helper active at this moment |
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| 05:52.35 | |dan| | hello |
| 05:52.53 | Azar | it's only me checking the news and making silly comments |
| 05:53.17 | |dan| | I'm getting ready to install debian on my amd64 x2 4400+ system. what is the best version? |
| 05:53.19 | Azar | I only have limited knowledge about Debian |
| 05:53.31 | Azar | |dan|: new PC? |
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| 05:53.39 | Azar | well yes I see |
| 05:53.51 | |dan| | relatively new, but i've been running suse openlinux 10.1 up to now |
| 05:53.54 | Azar | |dan|: new at Debian? |
| 05:53.56 | |dan| | and it kind of sucks. |
| 05:54.00 | |dan| | yes, new at debian |
| 05:54.40 | Azar | ok Sarge would be best but it only uses 2.6.8 for the install, and I assume will not recognize sata. Try Etch, the testing version who is almost to be released in a couple of months |
| 05:54.51 | Azar | !etch |
| 05:54.51 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 05:55.15 | |dan| | i don't want to be a f***ing beta tester. |
| 05:55.28 | Azar | |dan|: hehe calm down this is not windows |
| 05:55.30 | |dan| | i've had enough of that |
| 05:55.44 | Ilovemypuppy | |dan|, its nice and stable, relax |
| 05:55.52 | |dan| | i just installed fedora 6 at work for a customer today |
| 05:55.57 | Azar | etch is "almost" ready to be released as stable, and it has the kernel that supports your shiny new hardware |
| 05:56.14 | |dan| | and it was crap. the vesa driver for x11 literally did not work with a geforce 8800 gts |
| 05:56.20 | Azar | |dan|: I upgraded to etch on one of my boxes last summer and it works without problems |
| 05:56.32 | |dan| | ok. does it support reiserfs out of the box? |
| 05:56.45 | Azar | hmm let me give you an overview |
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| 05:58.31 | Azar | |dan|: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/ << get info |
| 06:01.09 | Azar | |dan|: sorry here are the specs: http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/i386/release-notes/ |
| 06:01.25 | |dan| | ok, i'm reading the bug list |
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| 06:03.21 | Azar | |dan|: you could try to install sarge but I doubt that the default 2.6.8 kernel will recognize your hardware |
| 06:03.50 | Azar | that is the only handicap there. Etch as I said is "frozen" and will be released soon (one, two months). |
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| 06:04.32 | |dan| | i see. will it be possible for me to update my system when the 'final release' comes out? |
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| 06:04.44 | Azar | |dan|: if you come from fedora world: debian keeps pride on not using non-free software. |
| 06:05.25 | Azar | |dan|: updates happen every week you only have to do : aptitude update and aptitude upgrade. That's it. |
| 06:05.30 | |dan| | i don't really come from any world... maybe windows. i've run a bunch of linux distros, been using opensuse 10.1 on my primary machine for the last two months |
| 06:05.43 | |dan| | and i've been pretty frustrated with some aspects of it |
| 06:05.57 | |dan| | i had a problem with a kernel bug that duplicated my keystrokes |
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| 06:06.11 | |dan| | i can't get my DVDs to play past about 80 minutes (great up to that point tho) |
| 06:06.17 | Azar | |dan|: good for you, hope you don't get frustrated at hardship with nvidia and other video cards drivers. They will not work with debian |
| 06:06.30 | |dan| | nvidia drivers don't work with debian? |
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| 06:06.36 | cahoot | the won't? |
| 06:06.53 | Azar | |dan|: not the original ones, you can't compile them in. We have .deb drivers for them |
| 06:06.54 | cahoot | |dan|: yes they do |
| 06:07.11 | |dan| | i can't download the drivers from nvidia and compile them? |
| 06:07.17 | Azar | cahoot: debianized packages for them |
| 06:07.20 | Azar | no |
| 06:07.23 | Azar | gonna break |
| 06:07.35 | |dan| | why? |
| 06:07.41 | Azar | non-free software |
| 06:08.09 | |dan| | ok, but the linux kernel is the linux kernel, and x11 is x11... right? |
| 06:08.09 | cahoot | Azar: strangely enough they work just fine for me |
| 06:08.15 | Azar | well you can try... but they will break dependencies with other .deb packages |
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| 06:08.17 | |dan| | and debian I assume comes with make and gcc and all that |
| 06:08.28 | Azar | cahoot: on your beard |
| 06:08.39 | Azar | |dan|: feel free to try |
| 06:08.52 | |dan| | ok... what do you mean about breaking dependencies? |
| 06:08.56 | cornernote | is there some tool to manage lvm's? like when i installed.. the installer gave me a graphical fdisk thing |
| 06:08.59 | Azar | if it works it works. When one day breaks down for no reason remember what we talked here |
| 06:09.00 | |dan| | will that cause problems with other packages? |
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| 06:09.53 | Azar | |dan|: specifics I cant explain, only I can tell you that at first I compiled on my own nvidia from nvidia website: it worked two days. Then it died. |
| 06:10.09 | Azar | Came here, asked and I was told that "that" driver will sooner or later break |
| 06:10.39 | Azar | |dan|: ubuntu uses lots of non-free... maybe you want to try it? |
| 06:10.45 | |dan| | hmm. ok. isn't there some kind of open source nvidia driver with reduced functionality? |
| 06:10.58 | |dan| | the 'nv' driver? |
| 06:11.00 | Azar | yes |
| 06:11.02 | Azar | that one |
| 06:11.40 | Azar | !etch nvidia |
| 06:11.40 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php. |
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| 06:12.00 | |dan| | so its not part of the debian packages anymore? |
| 06:12.27 | Azar | |dan|: so it say but there is allways someone doing a workaround |
| 06:13.01 | |dan| | useless. maybe I will look into ubuntu... |
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| 06:13.13 | |dan| | thank you for the info |
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| 06:13.36 | Azar | ok |
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| 06:26.40 | e1z0 | ryc |
| 06:27.01 | MajorPayne | To upgrade to the 2.6 kernel, is it best to download it myself from the kernel website and compile it myself, or to use apt to get it? |
| 06:27.32 | Azar | MajorPayne: depends, what Debian distro are you using? what kernel version? |
| 06:27.39 | niru | has debian come up with gnome 2.16 |
| 06:27.40 | niru | ? |
| 06:28.32 | MajorPayne | I am usinu a 2.4 kernel, and I have debian testing installed |
| 06:28.42 | cornernote | anyone used scalix ? |
| 06:28.44 | Azar | MajorPayne: not good at all |
| 06:28.53 | Azar | debian testing does not have a 2.4 kernel |
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| 06:29.06 | Azar | so how come you got to this combination? |
| 06:29.28 | Azar | MajorPayne: Debian 3.? |
| 06:29.30 | MajorPayne | I have testing in my sources, I up graded |
| 06:29.55 | Azar | not good, but ok : aptitude install aptitude. |
| 06:29.56 | Azar | then |
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| 06:30.27 | Azar | apt-cache search linux-sources |
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| 06:30.48 | Azar | gonna show you a list pick up the 2.6.18 for your cpu architecture |
| 06:30.52 | Azar | then |
| 06:31.18 | Azar | aptitude install linux-sources...xxx.xxx.xxxxxxx (x are the specs) |
| 06:31.52 | MajorPayne | humm |
| 06:31.54 | deface | trying to get the debian installer to boot, its stuck at - loading module 'sd_mod' for 'scsi disk support' ... i have an adaptec aac scsi raid card, even tried booting w/ the aac boot params .. still nothing |
| 06:31.58 | MajorPayne | *** glibc detected *** double free or corruption (out): 0x082a9e50 *** |
| 06:31.58 | MajorPayne | Aborted |
| 06:32.36 | Azar | MajorPayne: no wonder. You should have first upgrade your kernel to 2.6.8 while in Sarge, THEN move to dist-upgrade to Etch |
| 06:32.56 | Azar | testing(Etch) might cough with a 2.4 kernel |
| 06:33.16 | MajorPayne | humm |
| 06:33.27 | Azar | deface: what Debian version are you trying? |
| 06:34.50 | deface | w/e the stable is |
| 06:34.55 | deface | 3.1 rev4 ? |
| 06:34.59 | Azar | MajorPayne: it hurts me to tell you this while is too late: before upgrading to a higher version you should have read the documentation that shows you how to _prepare_ for a major upgrade. |
| 06:35.19 | MajorPayne | Azar: What if I just download the kernel myself? |
| 06:35.44 | Azar | deface: stable's highest kernel is 2.6.8. if you want stable with 2.6.18.. |
| 06:35.52 | Azar | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 06:35.53 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.18 was if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm or d-i-2618-amd64.htm |
| 06:36.04 | Azar | read the bottom |
| 06:36.17 | Azar | 2.6.18 kernel has wider hardware support |
| 06:36.44 | deface | this one should boot this card, its not new .. |
| 06:36.49 | Azar | MajorPayne: not worth the time and aggravation.... but try |
| 06:37.14 | Azar | deface: sorry I never used scsi raid... no experience there |
| 06:37.23 | MajorPayne | I have installed kernels before |
| 06:37.47 | Azar | MajorPayne: at this point you need expert advice. I am not expert I only tell you like I know the things |
| 06:38.19 | Azar | just remember for next time: never do a major upgrade without reading documentation. |
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| 06:38.34 | cornernote | what package do i have to install to get "less"? |
| 06:38.52 | cornernote | oh - less |
| 06:38.52 | Azar | MajorPayne: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html <<< this supposed to be read before the upgrade |
| 06:38.54 | cornernote | durr |
| 06:39.48 | Azar | alas most are not reading just jump and do "aptitude dist-upgrade" then surprises are raining |
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| 06:50.23 | erchache | hi |
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| 06:50.37 | monokrome | hey |
| 06:50.43 | erchache | i have a sun fire v65x with debian etch....im using it like mysql server |
| 06:50.48 | monokrome | Anyone here know how to use an Atheros wireless card in debian? |
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| 06:51.04 | erchache | and every 3 or 4 days server hangs without reasons |
| 06:51.19 | erchache | i reboot and see logs but doesnt show any hardware/software error |
| 06:51.33 | erchache | i use munin to see it and doesnt show nothing too |
| 06:51.40 | erchache | any sugestion? |
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| 06:53.32 | cybermad | what is the best ftp server? i want to use it in office for employees document storage |
| 06:53.39 | tuvwx | vsftpd |
| 06:54.05 | dondelelcaro | proftpd also works |
| 06:54.39 | vook | Azar - Thank you, hehe - I need to associate some special reward with using aptitude I think. Maybe I get a cookie each time I use aptitude instead of apt-get for the next week. That may just break the habit. |
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| 06:55.50 | Azar | vook: I adopted aptitude the moment I upgraded to sarge. I was recommended in the upgrade release notes and I complied |
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| 06:56.34 | vook | Azar: I know better, I do, but my finger's don't. They just type the same old commands over and over. |
| 06:56.52 | Azar | funnyly enough, etch also recommends to upgrade the aptitude when preparing to dist-upgrade from sarge>to>etch |
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| 06:57.32 | smimp | i have a multisession dvd someone gave me and i can't read it.. anyone ever had an issue with that? |
| 06:57.54 | smimp | i tried growisofs to close it, but i think i just hosed it |
| 06:59.01 | Azar | still looking at pr0n in old magazines |
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| 06:59.28 | Azar | ....stolen from his gramps |
| 06:59.41 | eldowon | carefull, don't put the eye out. |
| 06:59.57 | Azar | gah the old man won't notice |
| 07:00.15 | eldowon | stoned: are you still concious? |
| 07:00.42 | Azar | stoned did not signed in all day today.. |
| 07:01.14 | eldowon | I talked to stoned just a few hours ago. |
| 07:01.17 | Ilovemypuppy | Azar, maybe he got some good shizzy! |
| 07:01.37 | eldowon | nah |
| 07:01.41 | Azar | eldowon: hmmm must when I was watching Harry Potter |
| 07:02.01 | Ilovemypuppy | Allo Hamora! |
| 07:02.12 | eldowon | Azar: Yeah, 3 hours ago he was active. |
| 07:02.13 | cybermad | so which one the best? vsftpd or proftpd |
| 07:02.32 | Guerin | vs |
| 07:02.37 | eldowon | vsftpd is easy to setup and per the name, is Very Secure |
| 07:02.39 | Ilovemypuppy | cybermad, Ive never used proftpd, but vsftpd is nice, and light |
| 07:02.47 | Guerin | proftpd is bloated |
| 07:03.01 | eldowon | I guess it is unanimous, vsftpd saves the day! |
| 07:03.02 | cybermad | thanks.. 3 people is enough to get the conclusion :) |
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| 07:03.35 | cybermad | eldowan you're the fifth :) so vsftpd is rocks! |
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| 07:03.51 | hark | !vsftpd |
| 07:03.51 | dpkg | vsftpd is probably a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org ... |
| 07:04.04 | hark | !proftpd |
| 07:04.04 | dpkg | hmm... proftpd is a professional GPL'd ftp server for unix and unix-like operating systems. The home page is: http://www.proftpd.org. Proftpd is also L33t as Flood's butt. or down or something or dropped from all the other dists because they can't keep security holes out of it... try using vsftpd if you don't need any proftpd specific features. http://www.castaglia.org/proftpd/ |
| 07:04.05 | eldowon | cybermad: indeed, vsftpd is very good. |
| 07:04.24 | Guerin | if it's good enbough for ftp.debian.org and kernel.org, it's good enough for you |
| 07:04.58 | eldowon | I agree with Guerin, as usual |
| 07:04.59 | cybermad | does using FTP for document management is good idea? or do you have other suggestion? maybe you already implement it |
| 07:05.22 | Guerin | cybermad: wtf do you mean by `document management'? |
| 07:05.38 | eldowon | cybermad, I'm not sure I would use ftp for management. Not unless you just need easily accessable storage |
| 07:05.52 | Guerin | i'd use scp and http |
| 07:05.55 | Guerin | in fact |
| 07:06.01 | Guerin | that's what I *do* use |
| 07:06.17 | eldowon | yeah, and I'll take sftp when I can get it too |
| 07:06.20 | cybermad | what is scp? |
| 07:06.32 | eldowon | copy through ssh |
| 07:06.54 | eldowon | encrypted channel for copying files to/from remote machines, or localhost |
| 07:07.06 | cybermad | Guerin in our office there is a lot of employee document, and we want to store/manage it in 1 server |
| 07:07.23 | cybermad | *there are |
| 07:07.25 | eldowon | sftp is like scp, but from what I understand a little more advanced, supporting renaming and moving among other things. |
| 07:07.39 | smimp | this works in ubuntu, but i want to switch it to debian/understand the implications. i need suse for work, (for eDirectory/Identity Manager stuff), so I just chrooted it and rebound the /dev directory and mounted proc then ran the two apps i really needed.. is this dangerous in any way/what could cause it to break? |
| 07:07.48 | eldowon | cybermad: Do you need things like a papertrail of access? |
| 07:08.32 | Guerin | cybermad: why do you need ftp? |
| 07:08.35 | cybermad | eldowon what is papertrail? i can't find the meaning of that word on my english dictionary |
| 07:08.45 | cybermad | Guerin ok, just a minute.. |
| 07:08.47 | Guerin | translation: why do random eejits need write-access? |
| 07:09.01 | zinx | cyber: look up 'paper' and 'trail' then |
| 07:09.30 | Azar | welcome back honorable Guerin |
| 07:09.48 | eldowon | cybermad, do you require that you have an audit trail of people who accessed / modified information? |
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| 07:10.19 | cybermad | Guerin i need management access to those documents file (use password, can delete or not, etc), i need easy management for those files too |
| 07:10.26 | eldowon | !seen bhaal |
| 07:10.26 | dpkg | bhaal is currently on #debian (52m 25s), last said: 'Good to see'. |
| 07:11.02 | cybermad | eldowon yes, if that possible.. so i can see the log if problem happen (someone delete a file) |
| 07:11.36 | cybermad | or should i use like document management based on PHP ? |
| 07:12.14 | eldowon | cybermad: you will probably want to see if vsftpd has an auditing feature, and if not you might want to ditch ftp for something more feature rich. Yes PHP would provide you with MUCH MORE than you are looking for. look into trac for php, I've heard good things about it |
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| 07:13.10 | cybermad | thanks |
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| 07:17.02 | row_ | Has anyone used http://www.interhost.co.uk and to be exact their debian VPSs before? |
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| 07:18.19 | eldowon | row_: never heard of the place. |
| 07:19.12 | row_ | Do you know of a decent not too expensive uk hosting company that does debian vps by any chance? |
| 07:20.04 | eldowon | row: I'm based in the US. Sorry. |
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| 07:21.00 | row | eldowan: no probs, cheers anyway. |
| 07:21.22 | eldowon | cheers |
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| 07:21.41 | row | eldowan: whats the name of that huge dedicated server hosting company eve servers or whatever btw? |
| 07:21.58 | row | was talking to a client about it but completely forgot the name/could not find the site. |
| 07:22.08 | row | in the USA |
| 07:22.41 | eldowon | hmm. I haven't the slightest idea. I use fibershack.net for my hosting, though they don't provide a VPS that I know of. |
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| 07:23.10 | row | k |
| 07:23.25 | eldowon | maybe it was adam & eve?? |
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| 07:23.38 | eldowon | row: that was a bad joke, that I'm not sure you would get. |
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| 07:24.15 | cornernote | does apache2 come with mod_proxy_ajp ? |
| 07:24.38 | row | eldowan: lol |
| 07:24.57 | Azar | Guerin.. |
| 07:25.52 | eldowon | row: eve.net? |
| 07:26.17 | Azar | hey I had a funny feeling about JacK... and I see my sensors did not failed me |
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| 07:26.33 | Azar | Eulex |
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| 07:28.22 | Azar | works |
| 07:29.16 | Azar | http://www.bash.org/?56229 :D |
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| 07:30.42 | row | eldowan: nah it was a yellow site, had huge amount of servers. |
| 07:30.56 | row | eldowan: they listed their stock and such. |
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| 07:32.21 | eldowon | hmmm. da nana mi amigo |
| 07:32.27 | eldowon | or is it de nada? |
| 07:33.45 | Gokee2 | Hello, does anyone here know about openmusic licensing? I want to know if I can play yellow and green on a radio? If so do I what all do I need to say about the song? Thanks |
| 07:35.52 | Azar | Gokee2: we do not know, thats between the feds and net radio stations. This is #debian |
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| 07:38.08 | Azar | <stoned> hi. does anybody know how to make the init-process look look like star wars? |
| 07:38.29 | Azar | oops he is back |
| 07:38.56 | stoned | lol |
| 07:39.01 | Azar | :) |
| 07:39.12 | stoned | what happened to eldowan |
| 07:39.18 | Azar | you got a dell customer here complaining he can't install etch on his dell laptop earlier |
| 07:39.32 | stoned | Azar, I'm never gonna hear the end of it am I |
| 07:39.33 | Azar | eldowan became eldowon |
| 07:39.35 | stoned | hehe |
| 07:39.39 | Azar | :) |
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| 07:41.53 | Azar | <Guerin> If you can't reconnect, come into a channel and let us know! |
| 07:42.29 | Gokee2 | Azar, ok I just thought someone here might know |
| 07:43.05 | Azar | Gokee2: sorry personally I don't use net radio... |
| 07:43.20 | Gokee2 | Azar, ah not net radio "real" radio |
| 07:43.41 | Gokee2 | Well its also on the net... But it broadcasts |
| 07:43.55 | Azar | Gokee2: I see.... hmmm well due to nasty commercials, I quit listening altogether to the radio |
| 07:44.09 | Gokee2 | No commercials on this radio |
| 07:44.22 | Azar | Gokee2: if you follow the "news" and "rumors" on the net, you will notice that net radios are under DRM spell again |
| 07:44.50 | Gokee2 | Hmm too bad |
| 07:45.07 | Azar | and sattelite radio stations are seeing ugly faces from regulators too |
| 07:46.03 | Azar | as it was said that honorable (d)Feinstein, who is some senator said that listeners have no right to "cherry-pick" songs from the radio |
| 07:46.51 | tuvwx | anyone knows about how much would it cost to setup asterisk at home to use analog PSTN? |
| 07:47.37 | Gokee2 | I can do that without internet radio.... |
| 07:49.06 | Gokee2 | Whats .de? german? |
| 07:50.10 | smimp | si |
| 07:51.38 | Gokee2 | Ok thanks :) |
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| 07:59.05 | peterrooney | so, when i run "webcam", i get "v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device v4l2: open /dev/video0: No such device v4l: open /dev/video0: No such device no grabber device available", but /bin/ls -l /dev/crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 81, 0 Jan 18 23:31 /dev/video0 gives "crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 81, 0 Jan 18 23:31 /dev/video0 " |
| 07:59.28 | cornernote | how do i load mod_proxy_ajp into apache2 ? |
| 07:59.38 | cornernote | is there a special "debian" way to do it |
| 07:59.42 | cornernote | like with apt ? |
| 07:59.50 | peterrooney | sorry, i meant /bin/ls -l /dev/video0 gives "crw-rw-rw- 1 root video 81, 0 Jan 18 23:31 /dev/video0 " |
| 08:00.05 | peterrooney | cornernote: dpkg-reconfigure apache |
| 08:00.29 | peterrooney | cornernote: then restart |
| 08:00.33 | cornernote | >> dpkg-reconfigure apache2 - does nothing |
| 08:00.51 | cornernote | with just apache - tells me its not installed |
| 08:01.43 | peterrooney | cornernote: perhaps apache2 is installed? dpkg -l apache* should tell the story |
| 08:01.45 | Azar | peterrooney: maybe you are not added to video group? |
| 08:02.15 | peterrooney | Azar:checked that the second time around. |
| 08:02.24 | cornernote | peterrooney: apache2 is installed |
| 08:02.50 | peterrooney | cornernote: dpkg-reconfigure apache2 should work then. if not, try dpkg-reconfigure debconf first :) |
| 08:02.53 | Azar | peterrooney: is listed in "mount" ? |
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| 08:03.37 | peterrooney | Azar: sorry, i don't get what you mean by that. call me dense behind my back |
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| 08:03.58 | Azar | peterrooney: when you type "mount" it lists all devices you got |
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| 08:04.06 | cornernote | peterrooney: that asks me a couple of questions.. i accepted the defaults... then dpkg-reconfigure apache2 does the same thing still |
| 08:04.41 | peterrooney | hrmm.. did you set the debconf priority to low? |
| 08:04.53 | cornernote | yes - i tried that too |
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| 08:05.12 | cornernote | still the same |
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| 08:05.25 | peterrooney | cornernote: well, then -i'm- out of ideas to help you. sorry. |
| 08:05.35 | cornernote | np.. i'll google a little more |
| 08:05.36 | cornernote | thanks |
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| 08:07.44 | peterrooney | Azar: nope, the idea of mounting a cam catches me by surprise. |
| 08:08.32 | Alma | I have upgraded sarge to etch and all went well, except my sound is totally messed up. it's a via82cxxx (I was inserting via82cxxx_audio previously and that worked okay). Now most applications are working fine, no errors or messages, but the playback is totally silent. snd_via82xx and via92cxxx_audio both appear on lsmod... not sure what the hell to do now :/ |
| 08:09.27 | Azar | peterrooney: just thinking of it as a device |
| 08:09.42 | Eulex | Azar, good morning. anyway, I'm off to school... |
| 08:09.55 | Alma | oh wait... the kde mixer only works once I have used rexima to set the volume :/ before using rexima the kde mixer sliders move around without any effect... ater using it they all go blue and valid. why?? |
| 08:09.57 | Azar | Eulex: good day then |
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| 08:10.32 | pstickne | maybe the esound service wasn't correctly started. |
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| 08:10.34 | Azar | Alma I don't know about kde, but you got to remove the oss module in order to have alsa modules run. via82cxxx is the oss module. |
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| 08:11.09 | Azar | errr the via92cxxx_audio is the oss module, comment it |
| 08:12.09 | Alma | you're all fairly certain that alsa will work? cause it was just giving me a blank dialog with an ok button. that smelled so bad dudes really, that i stuck the oss one on. |
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| 08:12.39 | Alma | thanks... *plays |
| 08:12.44 | cornernote | oh . its already loaded lol |
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| 08:19.03 | elwario91 | hello |
| 08:19.11 | elwario91 | I have some questions about debian |
| 08:19.25 | elwario91 | Can I ask them? |
| 08:20.30 | SlayerXP | elwario91: we don't know, can you? |
| 08:20.54 | cydork | !ask |
| 08:20.54 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 08:21.42 | elwario91 | Can you install deban for desktop use? |
| 08:21.54 | elwario91 | And does the first cd contains a destop? |
| 08:22.23 | Azar | elwario91: no, the first cd is for plain base .. usually |
| 08:22.48 | elwario91 | what do you mean? |
| 08:23.27 | elwario91 | doesn't the first cd contain a desktop? |
| 08:23.27 | Azar | elwario91: it depends, Debian comes in three flavors: stable, testing and unstable. At least I know that with stable the first cd is for base only, no gui, no desktop |
| 08:23.47 | Azar | elwario91: new at linux in general? |
| 08:24.21 | Azar | elwario91: you do not have some linux experience? |
| 08:24.22 | elwario91 | no ;) |
| 08:24.36 | Azar | elwario91: I guess ubuntu gonna be easier for you then |
| 08:24.39 | elwario91 | bu I'm searching a distrib with a desktop in 1cd |
| 08:24.49 | elwario91 | no i hate ubuntu |
| 08:24.56 | elwario91 | it's very slow and a lot of bugs |
| 08:25.06 | deconvolution | hello, after dist-upgrade I found all my Chinese fonts become underlines or blanks. Restart the app several times it randomly return to display. Any clue to this problem? |
| 08:25.08 | Azar | debian is really hard for a person who does not have a little experience with linux |
| 08:25.11 | cydork | Azar: not actually, etch has cds with kde and xfce.. |
| 08:25.21 | lkthomas | does anyone using postfixadmin ? |
| 08:25.25 | Azar | cydork: all on the 1st cd? |
| 08:25.36 | elwario91 | I have experience but a little problem |
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| 08:25.58 | cydork | Azar: yes Most stuff with kde and all! |
| 08:26.01 | elwario91 | for installing my modem I wan't to be in a desktop environment |
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| 08:26.34 | marsje | I noticed my apt-get upgrades not updating much lately. Now I see ftp.nl.debian.org is down. Any news on that? |
| 08:26.46 | Azar | marsje: sarge? |
| 08:27.19 | marsje | yes/// |
| 08:27.38 | Azar | marsje: strange I just got my free86 upgraded two days ago.. |
| 08:27.51 | marsje | Failed to fetch http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/Release.gpg Could not connect to ftp.nl.debian.org:80 (130.89.175.33), connection timed out |
| 08:28.08 | Azar | marsje: also depends on "how many packages" you have installed.. the less packages, the less upgrades |
| 08:28.22 | Azar | testing is not sarge |
| 08:28.42 | elwario91 | what progs are included with the first cd of debian? |
| 08:28.45 | marsje | ok, sorry... it once was sarge... still get confused by debian's naming.. |
| 08:29.05 | Azar | marsje: dunno about testing... |
| 08:29.08 | marsje | Azar: but it seems the host is down |
| 08:29.19 | marsje | Azar: connection times out |
| 08:29.26 | Azar | marsje: since when? |
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| 08:29.38 | marsje | I think 2 days or something |
| 08:29.52 | marsje | but I just notice the error message now |
| 08:30.04 | smimp | anyone know anything better than vnc2swf for making a video or user desktop interaction? |
| 08:30.05 | marsje | at first I thought there were just no updates |
| 08:30.29 | Azar | deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 08:30.30 | Azar | deb-src ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib |
| 08:30.34 | Azar | try these two |
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| 08:30.47 | Azar | with / etch ofcourse instead of / sarge |
| 08:31.31 | Azar | I would think that with preparing the etch release, some sources might close temporarily... who knows |
| 08:32.04 | marsje | Azar: I have this now: deb http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 08:32.17 | marsje | is that the same as having etch there? |
| 08:32.21 | Azar | change / testing with / etch |
| 08:32.26 | cydork | smimp: xvidcap |
| 08:32.29 | marsje | what is the difference? |
| 08:33.01 | Azar | marsje: as I recall, everytime when a new release is prepared (in my experience) the actual "names" are placed in the sources |
| 08:33.50 | Azar | to avoid errors. Say Etch is released tomorrow. You got / testing in your sources. That means you will get packages from the NEXT / testing distro |
| 08:34.05 | marsje | Azar: yes, that is what I thought |
| 08:34.09 | Azar | which is not good |
| 08:34.25 | marsje | well... if you want to keep updated? |
| 08:34.35 | Azar | what do you mean? |
| 08:35.07 | Azar | you want to stay with Etch at least for a while don't you? |
| 08:35.10 | marsje | I mean, if you put etch, then after the release, you won't get any new version of installed software |
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| 08:35.22 | marsje | just bugfixes and security updates, but no new functionality |
| 08:35.41 | Azar | marsje: already Etch is "frozen" all packages will stay put. Only security updates/upgrades will go in |
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| 08:36.17 | Azar | Etch = testing |
| 08:36.25 | Azar | for now, but it IS frozen |
| 08:36.58 | marsje | yes, this is what I mean... so let's say Apache 3 is released... I will get it sooner in testing than in etch |
| 08:37.16 | Azar | marsje: then I guess you will use backports |
| 08:37.57 | Azar | many people using Sarge for stability use backports to up their packages |
| 08:38.05 | marsje | but what would be the benefit of that? |
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| 08:38.35 | Azar | well, having a stable OS and being able in the same time to use newest versions of their packages, kernels included |
| 08:38.35 | marsje | I have been running testing for quite a while and I never got any (major) problems |
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| 08:39.17 | marsje | but ok, let me try etch, with german files ;) |
| 08:39.54 | Azar | marsje: I am not sure but if you keep "testing" in your sources you might wind up having "unstable" packages installed. That could trigger dependency hell.. |
| 08:41.17 | marsje | dependency hell sounds bad... |
| 08:42.18 | Azar | and I think, not sure , but I think everytime you run update/upgrade to have security upgrades, weird non-belonging-to-the-version packages might not benefit |
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| 08:46.36 | bsdboy | http://pastebin.ca/321313 < Anyone ever see anything like that before? |
| 08:49.19 | bsdboy | It's.. not actually killing VMware, *doesnt get it* |
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| 09:02.50 | unlink | why are dvd's (unencrypted!) so choppy for me? |
| 09:03.41 | unlink | the cpu isn't pegged |
| 09:05.02 | unlink | compositing WMs work fine |
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| 09:06.06 | smimp | cydork: xvidcap is good stuff, i had previously been tempted to get camtasia |
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| 09:07.33 | cydork | smimp: hmm never tried camtasia.. |
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| 09:07.52 | saintiss | hi |
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| 09:08.02 | saintiss | is there a known problem with konqueror being unable to access ssl sites? |
| 09:08.08 | saintiss | (https sites) |
| 09:08.12 | smimp | cydork: pricey, they give you a 30 day demo or somethingif you want to try it out though |
| 09:08.21 | saintiss | ldd shows konqueror is not linked to libssl |
| 09:08.47 | cydork | smimp: na.. xvidcap does the job for me.. there is also istanbul or something. |
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| 09:13.33 | steinchen | morning |
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| 09:33.50 | d30c | hi all |
| 09:34.44 | d30c | i have a problem whit KDE on debian. I try to start it but she say me xsetroot: unable to open dispaly xset unable to open display |
| 09:34.48 | d30c | how to fix it |
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| 09:36.02 | azeem | d30c: how do you start it? |
| 09:36.16 | d30c | i try to start by startx and startkde |
| 09:36.33 | azeem | why doesn't startx start X? |
| 09:37.16 | d30c | "startx" |
| 09:37.32 | azeem | thaT's not why |
| 09:37.37 | azeem | what happens? |
| 09:37.49 | d30c | black screen |
| 09:37.59 | d30c | that's happen |
| 09:38.12 | azeem | what version of Debian do you have, and what graphics card? |
| 09:38.23 | d30c | GF4 MX440 |
| 09:38.34 | d30c | debian 3r1 |
| 09:38.46 | d30c | i install NVIDIA drivers |
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| 09:38.54 | unlink | $ sudo blktool /dev/hdc dma on |
| 09:38.55 | unlink | HDIO_SET_DMA: Operation not permitted |
| 09:39.07 | unlink | why can't i set dma on my cdrom drive? |
| 09:39.17 | unlink | i have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y |
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| 09:40.16 | nayyares | is there any way to find what IP/machine is now available in my LAN, i have access to proxy/squid ? |
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| 09:42.19 | x-- | !pureftpd |
| 09:42.19 | dpkg | from memory, pureftpd is A secure small feature full ftp server located at http://download.sourceforge.net/pureftpd/ |
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| 09:42.30 | sep | nayyares, arp -an willl list recently talkative computers. to trigger them all to send some traffic you can use ping -b broadcast-ip-adderss |
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| 09:42.39 | x-- | anyone having troubles getting pure-ftpd to work with tls? |
| 09:43.16 | x-- | looks like i'm the only one on the net =[ |
| 09:43.32 | karmatronic | no im there too :) |
| 09:43.44 | karmatronic | but i m using proftpd |
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| 09:43.54 | x-- | with tls? |
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| 09:43.58 | karmatronic | noop |
| 09:44.02 | x-- | =/ |
| 09:44.10 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a tool for defragmenting FAT32 partitions? |
| 09:44.16 | x-- | pure-ftpd authenticates the client etc |
| 09:44.26 | x-- | but it won't send list |
| 09:44.47 | x-- | extremely unussual |
| 09:45.12 | karmatronic | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:45.16 | x-- | no-tls works fine |
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| 09:45.39 | nayyares | sep, thanks it really works |
| 09:45.57 | karmatronic | x--: did you enable tls on the client side |
| 09:46.37 | karmatronic | x--: it s just that dont care about security when using ftp |
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| 09:46.45 | Guerin | use vsftpd |
| 09:46.50 | x-- | yea |
| 09:46.50 | Guerin | proftpd is a bear |
| 09:46.51 | karmatronic | x--: if you want security use sftp |
| 09:46.52 | x-- | umm |
| 09:47.02 | x-- | this is weird |
| 09:47.03 | karmatronic | Guerin: what do you mean |
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| 09:47.17 | x-- | used ftp-ssl on the same box |
| 09:47.19 | x-- | works =/ |
| 09:47.23 | Guerin | karmatronic: i mean, you have to wrestle with it to do anything, and you usually lose |
| 09:47.25 | x-- | not from my mac |
| 09:47.27 | Vich|Away | argh |
| 09:47.37 | Vich|Away | I can't get tv out working on my dell inspiron 6000 |
| 09:47.39 | karmatronic | Guerin: from my basic use it works fine |
| 09:47.47 | karmatronic | Guerin: easily chrootable |
| 09:47.55 | x-- | looks like a client compatability |
| 09:48.05 | karmatronic | Guerin: create some users only for ftp |
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| 09:48.20 | x-- | i do it =/ |
| 09:48.21 | Guerin | karmatronic: i don't allow local users to log in via ftp |
| 09:48.22 | karmatronic | Guerin: and assign them only read or write access |
| 09:48.27 | x-- | with nologn as shell |
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| 09:48.45 | karmatronic | Guerin: yeah with /bin/false as shell , that s not a problem at all |
| 09:48.45 | Vich|Away | how does one usually tv out? |
| 09:48.58 | karmatronic | Vich|Away: by editing xorg.conf |
| 09:49.04 | Guerin | karmatronic: yeh, but what's the point, might as well use virtual users |
| 09:49.20 | karmatronic | Guerin: same results |
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| 09:49.45 | ceztko | hi! |
| 09:49.56 | karmatronic | Guerin: anyway , if security is needed , why people dont use sftp ? |
| 09:50.00 | Guerin | karmatronic: not really. I can get rid of all ftp accounts and revert to anonymous-only by moving my virtual users file. |
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| 09:50.05 | Knight_Lord | How can I print matlab code with keyword highlight? |
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| 09:50.30 | Guerin | karmatronic: enforcing tls or ssl works fine |
| 09:51.21 | cornernote | i am looking for the package sun-java5-jre |
| 09:51.28 | cornernote | anyone know where i can get it ? |
| 09:52.11 | streuner_ | cornernote: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 09:52.30 | cornernote | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 09:52.51 | streuner_ | cornernote: /msg dpkg java |
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| 09:54.18 | HardDisk_WP | has anyone a tool for defragmenting FAT32 partitions? |
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| 09:55.24 | cornernote | streuner_: so i need to get it from non-free... sorry for asking a stupid question... where can i get a list of non-free apt servers ? |
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| 09:56.52 | ceztko | all: is there a supported way to dump the packages database that use apt and load it in a offline (without any connection) machine? |
| 09:57.09 | streuner_ | cornernote: non-free is on any official mirror... |
| 09:57.55 | streuner_ | cornernote: pdo (/msg dpkg pdo) or/and man sources.list to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 10:03.47 | daxxar | Anyone able to recommend a program that can produce (printable) colored (syntax-hilighted, that is) output of my JSP-source? |
| 10:03.53 | daxxar | I.e. HTML, PDF, etc. |
| 10:04.01 | Drgb | gedit? |
| 10:04.20 | daxxar | Commandline, preferrably |
| 10:04.25 | Drgb | ehrrr...dunnow |
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| 10:08.10 | ceztko | daxxar: googling, found this: http://www.gnu.org/software/src-highlite/ |
| 10:08.32 | kakalto | this afternoon, my old box with debian on it randomly crashed. Ever since, it will not boot past "loading essential drivers" |
| 10:08.46 | kakalto | it was running mpd, ncmpc |
| 10:08.50 | kakalto | I was about to use nano |
| 10:09.41 | kakalto | any suggestions? |
| 10:10.04 | kakalto | I once managed to get it to boot past that, but it froze two lines later, with "running /scripts/init-premount" |
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| 10:11.41 | pluesch0r | morning. i'd like to only open some ports with iptables - is there a readymade package that contains init scripts and so on that covers that functionality? |
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| 10:12.08 | pluesch0r | basically, i'm looking for something like OPEN_PORTS='22 80' to be configured in /etc/default/firewall or so. |
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| 10:15.50 | ceztko | kakalto: i suppose you can, in some way, reinstall entirely the base system using a recover console (if your system is heavily broken, from a knoppix)...but i can't help you any more because debian is not my main distro |
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| 10:16.39 | ceztko | take care of running diagnostic tests on the fs, first |
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| 10:21.31 | ceztko | all: no way you can help me? I need to upgrade a system that don't even have a slow internet connection. I'd like to use apt-zip for it, but it seems it needs an updated packages database to work properly. How can i save entirely the database that apt-get use to find info about packages and use it in another machine? |
| 10:22.54 | kakalto | ceztko: just boot in, fsck, ? |
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| 10:23.34 | ceztko | fsck.<yourfs> |
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| 10:27.33 | eisen_ | ceztko: you can print use --print-uris on the target box to get a list, then fetch those files with wget. |
| 10:27.47 | kakalto | ceztko: thanks, will try |
| 10:28.23 | eisen_ | on the target you can specify a custom cache with -o dir::cache::archives="/foo" |
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| 10:28.23 | kakalto | ceztko: any ideas about the random crash? |
| 10:29.20 | eisen_ | ceztko: above are parameters to apt-get of course |
| 10:29.28 | eisen_ | but there may be a better way |
| 10:29.43 | ceztko | kakalto: a random crash is a random crash, a broken system is a machine with a corrupted fs or broken files |
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| 10:31.54 | steinchen | how do i setup a watchodog/watchfolder to monitor new files? |
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| 10:32.18 | ceztko | <eisen_> ceztko: above are parameters to apt-get of course |
| 10:32.59 | ceztko | eisen_: don't understand this |
| 10:33.49 | ceztko | eisen_: apt-get doens't work directly with *.deb |
| 10:34.04 | Drgb | dpkg -i |
| 10:34.31 | eisen_ | ceztko: you get the files onto some cd or such, then specify a the mount point to look for those files with the above cache directive |
| 10:35.03 | eisen_ | I don't know about apt-zip, so this is an alternative |
| 10:35.42 | ceztko | eisen_, i can't do apt-get update on the targe machines... |
| 10:35.56 | eisen_ | oh, I see |
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| 10:40.42 | ceztko | fucking poorly designed apt-get... why can't i simply "copy&paste" the packages database??? |
| 10:40.55 | karmatronic | ceztko: poorly designed apt-get ? |
| 10:41.01 | ceztko | sure |
| 10:41.07 | karmatronic | ceztko: you re drunk or what :) |
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| 10:41.19 | eisen_ | apt-get -qq --print-uris update |
| 10:41.19 | karmatronic | ceztko: what s the matter ? |
| 10:41.26 | Drgb | it's like saying poorly designed f-16 |
| 10:41.45 | eisen_ | ceztko: ^^ gives you a list of the package lists to download |
| 10:42.13 | eisen_ | copy those to /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 10:42.24 | eisen_ | on the target |
| 10:42.36 | cornernote | how do i get rid of this error on apt-get update: W: There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
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| 10:43.47 | womble | Hi, I'm getting a message in the syslog of an etch machine: "kernel: netlink: 4 bytes leftover after passing attributes." Is it anything to worry about? |
| 10:44.23 | ceztko | eisen_: hmm..well, it seems it's the right dir |
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| 10:45.01 | x_link | Hi.... I just did apt-get dist-upgrade and this iceweasel thing came up. |
| 10:45.13 | x_link | I don't know if I should say Yes for it or No. |
| 10:45.20 | ceztko | eisen_: i should only try :-) |
| 10:45.21 | eisen_ | ceztko: apt-get -qq --print-uris update | awk '{ print $1 }' |
| 10:45.31 | eisen_ | easier to feed to wget |
| 10:46.01 | cornernote | !set the date |
| 10:46.08 | cydork | cornernote: /topic |
| 10:46.20 | ceztko | k, thanks eisen_! I'll try |
| 10:46.28 | ceztko | <karmatronic> ceztko: you re drunk or what :) |
| 10:46.39 | cornernote | cydork: i cant see it.. how do i get it again ? |
| 10:46.57 | x_link | Does anybody else had this Iceweasel thing when they have done apt-get dist-upgrade? |
| 10:47.08 | ceztko | karmatronic: only a little nervous.. |
| 10:47.21 | cornernote | !set date |
| 10:48.16 | cahoot | x_link: so you have no idea what iceweasel is or what is the problem? |
| 10:48.46 | ceztko | karmatronic: and debian is definitively not my heart distro :-) |
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| 10:49.16 | eisen_ | cornernote: I had the same prob a few days ago, you either update debian-public-keyring or get the keys from some keyserver yourself and feed them to add-key |
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| 10:49.29 | eisen_ | err, apt-key |
| 10:49.49 | cydork | !etch key |
| 10:49.50 | dpkg | # apt-get install debian-archive-keyring |
| 10:49.54 | cydork | cornernote: ^^ |
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| 10:50.15 | karmatronic | ceztko: what s your heart distro ? |
| 10:50.28 | karmatronic | ceztko: and what s the matter ? |
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| 10:51.04 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 10:51.43 | cornernote | eisen_: update solved it, thanks |
| 10:51.48 | Ramattack | I wanted to install testing dansguardian package but apt is trying to uninstall my kernel-2.6.8-3-686 image |
| 10:51.59 | Ramattack | how could I block this pachake removal? |
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| 10:52.49 | cornernote | this is the 2nd time i asked today... but dpkg wont tell me.. how do i set the date using a time server.. whats the package called again ? |
| 10:52.57 | eisen_ | ntp |
| 10:53.17 | cornernote | thanks :) |
| 10:53.28 | ceztko | karmatronic: the matter is apt-get use too much dirs to store what it needs to work, and there's too much commands to use apt-get |
| 10:53.44 | ceztko | oops...too MANY |
| 10:53.48 | Ronin | ceztko: apt-get install is to many? |
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| 10:54.12 | cahoot | cornernote: there's a difference between setting and keeping time |
| 10:54.22 | eisen_ | ceztko: the folders/files are nicely explained in the manpage though ;-) |
| 10:54.27 | ceztko | Romin: there isn't only apt-get =) |
| 10:54.56 | Ronin | ceztko: of course not, so? |
| 10:54.59 | cornernote | cahoot: i want to keep the time, ntp-simple is the right package, right ? |
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| 10:55.24 | Ramattack | hey guys could you help me please? |
| 10:55.36 | Ronin | theres apt-cach search etc. |
| 10:55.39 | Ramattack | how could I do for my kernel-image not to remove? |
| 10:55.48 | Ronin | pardon Ramattack ? |
| 10:55.51 | Ramattack | how could I hold that package? |
| 10:55.55 | GeorgeS069 | !tell Ramattack about hold |
| 10:56.00 | Ramattack | Hi Ronin |
| 10:56.14 | Ramattack | I've done dpkg --hold kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 |
| 10:56.21 | Ramattack | but not work |
| 10:56.59 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
| 10:57.09 | ^Timo^ | does anyone know a good ftpserver for debian |
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| 10:57.18 | ^Timo^ | stable and easy to config |
| 10:58.01 | Ronin | ^Timo^: vsftpd, proftpd, ummm and about a 1000 others im sure |
| 10:58.07 | Ramattack | sorry georges069 but don't understand that you sent me |
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| 10:58.18 | kakalto | is a computer's memory likely to be screwed up, if it passes the first 4 tests of memtest? |
| 10:58.30 | knoxy | when debian etch is stable? |
| 10:58.36 | GeorgeS069 | Ramattack: did you read what dpkg told you? |
| 10:58.39 | Ramattack | I wanted to install dansguardian testing package |
| 10:58.48 | ceztko | Ronin: this is a simple question of usability, from an admin perspection: why there's not a command "apt" for high levels task, such install, SEARCH, RECONFIGURE, etc.. (and not apt-cache, dpkg-reconfigure, ...), and "dpkg" for low level tasks (for example do only pre-inst script..)? |
| 10:58.51 | Ramattack | georgeS069 yes I do |
| 10:59.07 | Ramattack | but don't understand it |
| 10:59.12 | Ramattack | sorry... |
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| 10:59.23 | ^Timo^ | Ronin |
| 10:59.27 | ceztko | Ronin: unfortunately, this is not supposed to change... |
| 10:59.31 | Ramattack | I know what it's trying to say but not how to do the package hold |
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| 10:59.54 | ^Timo^ | i'm sure there are many ftp server but which one will work properly stable for debian |
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| 10:59.54 | Ronin | may be because im just out of bed ceztko but im not seeing a problem |
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| 11:00.11 | Ronin | ^Timo^: like i said vsftpd, proftpd, pureftpd if its in apt |
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| 11:00.23 | GeorgeS069 | Ramattack: try this: echo kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686 hold|dpkg --set-selections |
| 11:00.34 | Ramattack | one moment |
| 11:01.22 | va | i want to know which internal ip is using how much traffic on my masquerading router. What program would help me? |
| 11:01.27 | ceztko | Ronin: no, the answer is because it would be too similar to gentoo :-) So, i have answered karmatronic too... |
| 11:01.34 | Ramattack | it is trying to remove package anyway |
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| 11:01.57 | Ronin | ya thats the reason uh huh |
| 11:02.25 | GeorgeS069 | Ramattack: the only other thing I can think of is that dansgaurdian depends on a newer kernel |
| 11:02.32 | Drgb | so you're supposing that debian devs are making things complicated to avoid their systems being simple as gentoo's ? |
| 11:02.50 | eisen_ | I would not take gentoo as an example for good package manager design |
| 11:03.37 | Ronin | and im positive thats not the reason too |
| 11:03.46 | Ramattack | nope it doesn't install any new kernel |
| 11:04.34 | ceztko | thanks for the help, bye! |
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| 11:05.37 | Ronin | yep nother bored troll another normal day in #debian |
| 11:05.46 | eisen_ | is it still unsafe to mix usage of apt-get and aptitude? |
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| 11:06.02 | GeorgeS069 | Ramattack: apt wants to remove your current kernel but,it's not trying to install a new one? |
| 11:06.41 | Ramattack | yes |
| 11:06.50 | Ramattack | that's it georges069 |
| 11:06.52 | GeorgeS069 | very odd |
| 11:07.16 | HardDisk_WP | any bash scripter here? |
| 11:07.46 | HardDisk_WP | i call ffmpeg with ffmpeg -vcodec xvid -b 300 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 96 -i ${2}.${mext} -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 ${2}.mov |
| 11:08.03 | HardDisk_WP | unfortunately $2 contains spaces...how to mask them? |
| 11:08.12 | eisen_ | "" |
| 11:08.50 | eisen_ | "${2}" to be more specific |
| 11:09.39 | knoxy | when debian etch will be stable? |
| 11:09.46 | Ronin | knoxy: when its ready |
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| 11:10.05 | GeorgeS069 | Ramattack: I'm sorry but,I can't help you more than I have...perhaps someone else knows more about your problem |
| 11:10.08 | knoxy | Ronin when its will be ready? |
| 11:10.13 | Ronin | knoxy: when its done |
| 11:10.20 | knoxy | Ronin when its will be done? |
| 11:10.21 | HardDisk_WP | eisen_, doesnt work |
| 11:10.23 | knoxy | +_+ |
| 11:10.29 | Ronin | knoxy: sooner if you help :) |
| 11:10.34 | HardDisk_WP | eisen_, i put echo before ffmpeg and it doesnt mask the spaces |
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| 11:10.56 | Ronin | knoxy: seriously its close but i dont think anyone can say on such and such day its goign to be released |
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| 11:11.20 | eisen_ | HardDisk_WP: what do you mean by "mask"? |
| 11:11.22 | knoxy | Ronin hmmm |
| 11:11.32 | cydork | knoxy: /msg dpkg etch pool 1 |
| 11:11.35 | HardDisk_WP | eisen_, putting a \ before the spaces |
| 11:11.39 | cydork | knoxy: choose any date you want! :) |
| 11:11.49 | eisen_ | HardDisk_WP: they won't go away, but it will see it as one argument with the quotes |
| 11:11.51 | karmatronic | is there a contivity vpn client under linux? |
| 11:12.13 | HardDisk_WP | eisen_, output of the script with "s around the $2: ffmpeg -vcodec xvid -b 300 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 96 -i /media/MARCOS IPOD/Extern/Filme/Pornos/Gina Wild - Teacher Sex.mpg -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 /media/MARCOS IPOD/Extern/Filme/Pornos/Gina Wild - Teacher Sex.mov |
| 11:12.21 | eisen_ | lol |
| 11:12.24 | Drgb | what the..? |
| 11:12.39 | GeorgeS069 | good movie |
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| 11:12.48 | HardDisk_WP | well i have other movies than this pr0n but it was the first i found |
| 11:12.49 | eisen_ | HardDisk_WP: even better use "${2}.mov" |
| 11:12.59 | eisen_ | heh |
| 11:13.03 | womble | lol |
| 11:13.13 | HardDisk_WP | no, no other pr0ns but DVD rips :p |
| 11:13.25 | HardDisk_WP | commandline for this echo was echo ffmpeg -vcodec xvid -b 300 -qmin 3 -qmax 5 -bufsize 4096 -g 300 -acodec aac -ab 96 -i "${2}".${mext} -s 320x240 -aspect 4:3 "${2}".mov |
| 11:13.56 | Ramattack | bye folks thanks |
| 11:13.59 | eisen_ | HardDisk_WP: the point is, that ffmpeg will see it as one argument. Just try it. |
| 11:15.13 | GeorgeS069 | I'd just change the file name |
| 11:16.00 | HardDisk_WP | ffmpeg: error while loading shared libraries: libavformat.so.50: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 11:16.01 | womble | my_one_and_only_porn_file |
| 11:16.08 | HardDisk_WP | GeorgeS069, for ~ 30 films? |
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| 11:17.13 | eisen_ | for f in * ; do mv "$f" `echo $f | tr ' ' '_'` ; done |
| 11:18.01 | ^Timo^ | i am getting a error from proftpd |
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| 11:18.12 | ^Timo^ | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 11:18.39 | HardDisk_WP | eisen_, thx |
| 11:18.50 | mosty | how can i non-interactively install the sun jre deb? if i set the debconf frontend to noninteractive, it fails to install |
| 11:19.00 | eisen_ | HardDisk_WP: it won't cure your lib error though |
| 11:19.55 | ^Timo^ | someone can help me with proftp |
| 11:20.10 | ^Timo^ | i found the config in /etc/proftpd.conf |
| 11:20.18 | ^Timo^ | but is that all that i have to configure |
| 11:20.28 | ^Timo^ | ? |
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| 11:21.06 | karmatronic | ^Timo^: you also have to check /etc/ftpusers |
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| 11:21.44 | karmatronic | ^Timo^: all the users in this file are not allowed to ftp to your machine |
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| 11:22.23 | ^Timo^ | so i must add there names that are not allowd |
| 11:22.23 | Wu | hi |
| 11:22.24 | ^Timo^ | ;/ |
| 11:22.38 | ^Timo^ | i add user that can use my ftp simply be useradd ? |
| 11:22.43 | Wu | is there any way to get both hpoj and hplip installed in a debian sarge box? |
| 11:22.56 | Wu | if i install one, the other is removed |
| 11:23.15 | Wu | any way to force them to co-exist? |
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| 11:26.32 | ^Timo^ | karmatronic : what are you meaning by /etc/ftpusers i must add there user that can use my ftp right ?? |
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| 11:28.47 | GeorgeS069 | ^Timo^ /etc/ftpusers is the list of users NOT allowed to use ftp |
| 11:28.52 | DaveyB | Iceweasels on Debian ETCH WOOOHOOOO |
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| 11:29.06 | kblin | hi folks |
| 11:29.20 | mosty | does debconf-set-selections overwrite all the values, or just insert new ones? |
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| 11:30.11 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 11:30.26 | ^Timo^ | GeorgeS069 : and i add users by useradd ? |
| 11:30.41 | GeorgeS069 | ^Timo^: yes |
| 11:31.07 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 11:31.19 | kblin | say, is there no tap module in the sarge smp kernel? is there an easy way to add it without rebooting the box? |
| 11:31.25 | ^Timo^ | i am getting a problem starting proftpd |
| 11:31.29 | ^Timo^ | ProFTPd warning: cannot start neither in standalone nor in inetd/xinetd mode. Check your configuration. |
| 11:31.36 | ^Timo^ | thats the error im getting |
| 11:31.48 | ^Timo^ | i am in proftpd.conf now |
| 11:32.13 | ^Timo^ | must i change there something to fix the prob ? |
| 11:32.21 | GeorgeS069 | ^Timo^: look in the /etc/proftpd.conf and look over the file |
| 11:32.21 | ^Timo^ | and so. what ? |
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| 11:32.36 | karmatronic | ^Timo^: you need a line like ServerType standalone |
| 11:32.45 | karmatronic | ^Timo^: in your proftpd.conf |
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| 11:35.06 | cruger8 | "/msg dpkg guidelines" |
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| 11:37.49 | niru | I tried configuring to my hp colorlaserjet 2500 |
| 11:37.54 | niru | printer |
| 11:38.01 | niru | I have a debian based system |
| 11:38.04 | niru | its on etch |
| 11:38.13 | niru | I saw the print was coming |
| 11:38.17 | niru | but without any image |
| 11:38.23 | mtoele | blurbelurbenicketty |
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| 11:38.31 | niru | may I know why images are not getting printed |
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| 11:40.10 | _AleX_ | hi all ... when i add a user to a group, the user need to logout for changes takes effects. how to tell the system to "reload" the groups informations without logout ? |
| 11:40.42 | hark | !tell niru about enter |
| 11:41.39 | mosty | alex: i believe you would need to learn to program in C and then modify the kernel to do that |
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| 11:42.41 | _AleX_ | mosty: it's come from the kernel ?! ok :-) |
| 11:42.45 | niru | hark:sorry but did you get my doubt |
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| 11:43.44 | hark | debian based system? |
| 11:44.09 | _AleX_ | mosty: the problem is the same on all unix platforms ? |
| 11:44.21 | mosty | alex: every unix system i've ever used has required you to logout before new groups are recognised |
| 11:45.25 | _AleX_ | ok, thanks mosty |
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| 11:48.54 | hark | or su to another user and back |
| 11:51.35 | hark | or use newgrp |
| 11:51.44 | amee2k | where do i put commands i want to have executed during system startup (e.g. custom iptables commands)? |
| 11:52.04 | niru | hark:yes mine is a debian based system |
| 11:52.08 | mosty | amee2k: man init explains debian's system |
| 11:53.34 | kblin | which kernel do I need on debian sarge to get a TAP device? |
| 11:53.38 | amee2k | well, i don't really want to write a new init script for a single command. isn't there a file to put misc stuff in? |
| 11:54.24 | mosty | amee2k, in recent versions there is /etc/init.d/rc.local, but i prefer to write my own |
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| 11:56.20 | amee2k | i suppose not in stable as i can#t find that file? |
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| 11:56.57 | HardDisk_WP | how do i prevent apt-get from making any changes to mozilla-firefox and iceweasel? |
| 11:56.57 | hark | !rc.local |
| 11:56.57 | dpkg | hmm... rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 11:57.31 | hark | _AleX_: newgrp |
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| 11:59.02 | _AleX_ | thanks hark ! |
| 11:59.04 | amee2k | ty |
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| 12:00.32 | war | Anyone here using Debian Etch and running bindgraph (RRDtool to graph bind statistics)? is it broken with apache2? |
| 12:00.43 | sgeigerbot2 | While trying to install Zimbra, I need to install NPTL (apparently the Native Posix Thread Library). What's the package I need to install? |
| 12:03.43 | ^Timo^ | karmatronic : where can i set the default dir ? |
| 12:03.49 | ^Timo^ | one for uploading |
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| 12:04.23 | Ronin | ^Timo^: have you looked at teh manual or the proftpd website? They have tons of documentation there |
| 12:04.36 | hark | !tell HardDisk_WP about hold |
| 12:05.15 | hark | niru: check the logs for any errors. Anyway, you're not running Debian. |
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| 12:05.31 | hark | !wb dpkg |
| 12:05.31 | dpkg | O frabjous day! Callooh! Callay! dpkg has returned! |
| 12:07.21 | phogg | !chortle |
| 12:07.21 | kalanis | my hardware clock is set to the local time but debian sees it as if it was set to UTC. in that way when i set it to the right timezone i get a wrong time, while if i set it to gmt i get the right one. how can i change this? |
| 12:07.34 | phogg | Nuts. |
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| 12:08.26 | phogg | kalanis: hwclock |
| 12:09.12 | cahoot | kalanis: in /etc/default/rcS |
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| 12:09.28 | kalanis | i receive te error "select() to /dev/rtc to wait for clock tick timed out" |
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| 12:11.12 | kalanis | it says UTC=no in rcS :S |
| 12:12.10 | mosty | kalanis, is it a dell machine? |
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| 12:14.54 | Tarsinion_ | hi guys, can somebody might help me? My Debian system does not power off after shutdown :S |
| 12:15.14 | Tarsinion_ | its just saying "powered down" |
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| 12:16.08 | kalanis | mosty, no, it is an msi mb with ami bios |
| 12:16.26 | Tarsinion_ | actually its a virtuell maschine ;-) ( vmware gsx ) |
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| 12:16.38 | fs-a | hi, on q3 i had no sound, the trick "cat ..q3 >proc/..pcm0p.." worked but game audio plays 'faster' that way. can it be fixed? |
| 12:16.41 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: why bother? |
| 12:16.42 | Tarsinion_ | all other maschines can power off withoug any problems ( like win2003 or ubuntu ) |
| 12:16.50 | Psy-X | private |
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| 12:17.07 | Tarsinion_ | sgeigerbot2: a vm-backup script will wait till the maschine is down .. :S |
| 12:17.33 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: I see. |
| 12:18.17 | Tarsinion_ | sgeigerbot2: any idea :P ? |
| 12:18.27 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: All I can think of are hacks. |
| 12:19.28 | Tarsinion_ | sgeigerbot2: so with "shutdown now" without any further options the maschine should just switch off right ? |
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| 12:20.08 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: try this (perhaps instead of shutdown): http://debaday.debian.net/2007/01/03/sysrqd-small-daemon-to-manage-linux-sysrq-over-network/ |
| 12:20.30 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: it's the magic sysrq via the network. |
| 12:20.59 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: sudo su -c 'echo e > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo i > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo s > /proc/sysrq-trigger; echo u > /proc/sysrq-trigger; sleep 3; echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger' |
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| 12:21.41 | lero_ | hey |
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| 12:22.00 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: Note: I'm not sure why the sleep statements are needed. But they seem to help do the job. |
| 12:22.03 | lero_ | anyone that is using samba and etch? |
| 12:22.08 | lero_ | when i do man smb.conf |
| 12:22.11 | lero_ | i get |
| 12:22.19 | lero_ | 1/tmp/zmanH1xxPj:444: warning: numeric expression expected (got `r') |
| 12:22.22 | sgeigerbot2 | Tarsinion_: I'm going back to bed. Good luck. |
| 12:22.31 | Tarsinion_ | sgeigerbot2: thanks for that! ... have a good night ;-) |
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| 12:24.24 | lero_ | take a look, when searching for something under man smb.conf |
| 12:24.25 | lero_ | http://pastebin.ca/321455 |
| 12:25.02 | steinchen | hi, how do i setup a watchodog/watchfolder to monitor incoming files? |
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| 12:28.18 | ^Timo^ | Hi |
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| 12:28.31 | ^Timo^ | have problem with proftpd |
| 12:28.35 | ^Timo^ | its says |
| 12:28.37 | ^Timo^ | - Check the ServerType directive to ensure you are configured correctly. |
| 12:28.56 | ^Timo^ | i set this before to standalone |
| 12:29.10 | ^Timo^ | and one another thing |
| 12:29.24 | ^Timo^ | its says port 21 already inuse |
| 12:29.49 | mosty | something else is already listening to that port |
| 12:29.51 | ^Timo^ | how can i check which program is using that port ? |
| 12:29.54 | ^Timo^ | yes |
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| 12:30.05 | ^Timo^ | but don't know whwat |
| 12:30.08 | ^Timo^ | what* |
| 12:30.09 | eisen_ | steinchen: dnotify? |
| 12:30.27 | mosty | timo: you can use lsof to tell you |
| 12:30.34 | ^Timo^ | ok |
| 12:30.35 | ^Timo^ | :) |
| 12:33.19 | ^Timo^ | mosty : the list is to big |
| 12:33.36 | cahoot | ^Timo^: try netstat -tupan |
| 12:33.50 | mosty | timo: grep |
| 12:34.07 | ^Timo^ | tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:21 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 1300/inetutils-inet |
| 12:34.20 | ^Timo^ | hmm don't know what that is |
| 12:34.26 | cahoot | inetd |
| 12:35.02 | ^Timo^ | can i remove that i hat more problems on postfix using that |
| 12:35.14 | cahoot | inetd.conf |
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| 12:36.20 | cahoot | ^Timo^: if you don't need it's services - man update-rc.d |
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| 12:36.47 | ^Timo^ | where is ined used for normaly |
| 12:36.49 | ^Timo^ | ? |
| 12:36.52 | ^Timo^ | inetd |
| 12:36.53 | ^Timo^ | * |
| 12:37.06 | KurtAngle | how can i see which distro i have installed? uname -a doesn't give me this information |
| 12:37.12 | cahoot | ^Timo^: look in /etc/inetd.conf |
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| 12:39.03 | nvz | KurtAngle: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 12:40.17 | ^Timo^ | hmm i am in inetd.conf |
| 12:40.18 | raz0 | Uhm. What can possible be the reason that I get slowish 10-20kB/s download speed on my debian-laptop? I have a 2/2Mbit line, and I seem to get full upload throughput. |
| 12:40.28 | ^Timo^ | but can't find anyhting usefull |
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| 12:40.58 | raz0 | (eg. only downstream throughput is slow) |
| 12:41.21 | cahoot | ^Timo^: so use man inetd |
| 12:41.23 | nvz | raz0: try d/l some kernel source from kernel.org.. they are usually fast |
| 12:41.42 | nvz | raz0: got to rule out the fact that the server you are d/l from is slow as hell |
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| 12:42.13 | ^Timo^ | No manual entry for inetd |
| 12:42.14 | ^Timo^ | ;( |
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| 12:42.55 | ^Timo^ | can i uninstall it should there be no harm further to the server ? |
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| 12:43.15 | raz0 | nvz, wget'ing a kernel tgz from kernel yields an unimpressive ~8kB/s :( |
| 12:43.32 | cahoot | ^Timo^: if you don't need it's services - disable it - man update-rc.d |
| 12:43.55 | niru | hello all |
| 12:43.59 | nvz | raz0: can you test it on your lan? transferring a file back and forth between two local machines? |
| 12:44.25 | FASTAC | i want to update the version of firefox i have, how do i do that? |
| 12:44.28 | raz0 | nvz, That's faster. Abot 2MByte/s, although I find that a bit slow over LAN. |
| 12:44.34 | KurtAngle | nvz: is there a methode that also works for other linux distro's ? |
| 12:44.45 | niru | I have a printer with specifications:hp colorlaserjet 2550,I installed all necessary packages but why I am not getting postscript |
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| 12:44.57 | steinchen | thanks! |
| 12:45.05 | steinchen | eisen_ |
| 12:45.09 | nvz | KurtAngle: how the hell should I know. I use and support debian.. hence why I am in #debian |
| 12:45.10 | raz0 | nvz, But it's over wireless, so I guess that's what you can expect. |
| 12:45.24 | nvz | raz0: ah, wireless |
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| 12:45.55 | nvz | raz0: yeah I am proudly ignorant to wireless.. I like my spidernet of wires |
| 12:46.12 | nvz | raz0: it just works (tm) |
| 12:46.22 | raz0 | nvz, Hehe. Well it's the same when I'm wired though, eg. downstream slow, upload fast. |
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| 12:46.29 | nvz | I dont have to stand on my hands with a tinfoil hat on to make my ethernet work |
| 12:46.55 | KurtAngle | nvz: ok |
| 12:47.54 | nvz | raz0: maybe you got some kind of trottling/quota or packet scheduler or something of the sort |
| 12:47.55 | raz0 | nvz, I don't remember installing one, but how would I find out if I have? :) |
| 12:48.35 | nvz | raz0: beats the hell out of me.. I would check my dmesg and /var/log/dmesg first I guess |
| 12:48.42 | nvz | as it would likely be a kernel thing |
| 12:48.54 | cahoot | raz0: ifconfig doesn't report errors? |
| 12:49.20 | raz0 | cahoot, Nope. |
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| 12:51.02 | FASTAC | what is the process for updating an app? |
| 12:51.04 | war | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384255 <- Looks like bindgraph is broken in new versions of Debian, crap. |
| 12:51.27 | nvz | FASTAC: updating how? |
| 12:51.42 | FASTAC | i want to update firefox 1.04 to 2.01 |
| 12:51.57 | FASTAC | i downloaded the tarball, there is no documentation to say how |
| 12:52.13 | SlayerXP | FASTAC: aptitude update && aptitude install mozilla-firefox |
| 12:52.20 | nvz | FASTAC: well that is non-debian related, but generally you would build it |
| 12:52.31 | nvz | !info mozilla-firefox |
| 12:52.42 | dpkg | mozilla-firefox: (Transition package for iceweasel rename), section web, is optional. Version: 2.0.0.1+dfsg-1 (sid), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 12:52.46 | FASTAC | thank you |
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| 12:53.23 | war | Anyone here run his/her own domain and also hosts the PRIMARY (Forward) DNS for it? |
| 12:54.10 | nvz | FASTAC: if you are going to use debian you should probably get used to our policies and release cycle.. generally version numbers in a stable dist dont change but any important fixes from a newer version are applied.. thus the version numbers in debian rarely mean much |
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| 12:54.46 | FASTAC | ok np |
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| 12:56.35 | raz0 | nvz, Now I suspect my router of disliking my laptop... I just tried starting a local HTTP proxy on one of my other machines and setting that as proxy on my laptop, and it was fast again. |
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| 12:57.43 | cahoot | raz0: dlink? |
| 12:57.47 | raz0 | netgear |
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| 12:58.08 | niru | I have a printer with specifications:hp colorlaserjet 2550,I installed all necessary packages but why I am not getting postscript |
| 12:58.13 | raz0 | I will soon put openwrt on it though, and I guess that will fix it. :) |
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| 12:58.30 | cahoot | raz0: ok had a dlink that didn't very much like linux |
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| 12:59.03 | raz0 | cahoot, It's kind of odd though, the router running linux and all.. |
| 12:59.07 | nvz | its probably because they use a fair queue system and if you dont setup the same thing in your kernel its going to put you at low priority |
| 12:59.27 | eisen_ | raz0: you could try to change the mtu. Also make sure you are not using the router as a nameserver but the ones from your isp. |
| 12:59.46 | raz0 | eisen_, To what? It's 1492 now. |
| 12:59.53 | eisen_ | less |
| 12:59.56 | raz0 | on the router |
| 13:00.10 | eisen_ | try ifconfig eth0 mtu 1400 |
| 13:00.14 | eisen_ | it can't hurt |
| 13:00.17 | raz0 | On my laptop? |
| 13:00.21 | eisen_ | yeah |
| 13:00.33 | eisen_ | replace eth0 with your device |
| 13:01.13 | raz0 | Right. That didn't seem to do anything. |
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| 13:01.24 | raz0 | .. on the speed, that is of course. |
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| 13:01.35 | eisen_ | was worth a try though |
| 13:01.40 | raz0 | I guess. :) |
| 13:01.52 | raz0 | What about on the router? I can change the MTU there too. :p |
| 13:02.06 | eisen_ | it's fast on the other boxen, no? |
| 13:02.15 | raz0 | Yeah.. other windoze boxen. x( |
| 13:02.27 | eisen_ | heh |
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| 13:03.10 | ajs | What's base-config replaced with in etch/ |
| 13:06.26 | eisen_ | ajs: I read they moved all the functionality into the cd installer. no more standalone base-config it seems. |
| 13:06.42 | ajs | That kinda screws people using debootstrap. |
| 13:06.55 | eisen_ | it's not hard to do those things manually |
| 13:07.08 | ajs | It's still worse than it was before. |
| 13:08.03 | MatBoy | I want to build my own anti-spam gateway on Debian as frontend for my mailserver(s). What free software except SA en ClamAV is good to use here ? |
| 13:09.14 | raz0 | MatBoy, Graylisting, although not software. :) |
| 13:09.28 | MatBoy | raz0, hehe, :P |
| 13:09.42 | eisen_ | ajs: maybe, but it was like 10 commands or so to get going in my case. |
| 13:09.56 | MatBoy | I was thinking of SpamD |
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| 13:13.00 | fireba11 | hm .. got this server 2 days, not even a domain pointing there and already someone scanned for unsave scripts .. |
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| 13:17.37 | bartden | hi does anyone know which package installed the file /usr/include/db.h |
| 13:17.44 | jelly-home | fireba11: two days is a lot, you're well hidden! |
| 13:18.16 | eisen_ | bartden: dpkg -S |
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| 13:19.29 | fireba11 | jelly-home : it's a IP that was unused untill two days ago .. *reading logs* he tried a couple ssh logins, tried to figure out if any exploitable scripts are isntalled like different hore versions, oscommerce, different blogging systems, wordpress, phpgroupware etc |
| 13:19.40 | hark | !tell bartden about search |
| 13:20.07 | eisen_ | the background noise of internet |
| 13:21.01 | fireba11 | also he did a portscan first it seems since he also hit the admin web on another port ... |
| 13:21.02 | eisen_ | the user/pass combinations they usually try tell something about the stupidity of mankind |
| 13:21.08 | fireba11 | eisen_: true |
| 13:21.12 | Mazingaro | please how can I know disks type on solaris 10? |
| 13:21.36 | Mazingaro | is there anything like hdparm? |
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| 13:23.21 | ofer0 | Mazingaro, there are really good docs for Solaris in the Sun website. |
| 13:23.52 | Mazingaro | ofer0: wow |
| 13:23.56 | ofer0 | Mazingaro, check format.dat |
| 13:24.01 | fireba11 | eisen_: it's just my logs are practically empty so i notice such things :-9 |
| 13:24.03 | ofer0 | Mazingaro, http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-2723/6n50a1n05?a=view |
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| 13:35.31 | abac | hi, when well the new version will released? |
| 13:36.17 | ofer0 | abac, you mean, etch ? |
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| 13:40.53 | incorrect | is it possible to have two groups with different permissions to the file system? |
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| 13:41.47 | abac | yes etch |
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| 13:42.12 | abac | i am waiting to install the etch |
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| 13:42.41 | abac | and start the debian for the frist time |
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| 13:47.48 | lkthomas-home | does anyone using anything other than bind9 ? |
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| 13:49.31 | h3sp4wn | lkthomas-home: I use dnsmasq at home |
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| 13:49.50 | vlt | lkthomas-home: dsnmasq is a forwarder |
| 13:49.56 | numer | hello, does anyone know how to convert a xml file to raw text? |
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| 13:50.08 | eisen_ | it is raw text o.O |
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| 13:50.21 | numer | eisen_ i would like to take of formatting in the xml |
| 13:50.44 | numer | i know it is written in raw ascii, but i would like to take off, all the formatting if possible |
| 13:50.59 | eisen_ | all the tags you mean? |
| 13:51.04 | numer | yes |
| 13:51.16 | vlt | numer: I would use PHP's strip_tags() |
| 13:51.28 | lkthomas-home | I mean a dns server |
| 13:51.31 | lkthomas-home | not a forwarder |
| 13:51.55 | eisen_ | numer: it should be easy with some sed magic, considering all tags are between <> |
| 13:51.56 | numer | vlt , you mean writing a small php script which uses strip_tags() in order to get the tags taken off |
| 13:52.04 | numer | eisen_ right |
| 13:52.17 | vlt | numer: That's what I'd do :-) |
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| 13:53.02 | vlt | numer: You know you can use php-cli directly from shell/scripts? |
| 13:53.08 | numer | i've a document which is a xml written by microsoft msn messenger |
| 13:53.13 | numer | vlt no, how? |
| 13:53.28 | vlt | numer: #!/usr/bin/php |
| 13:53.39 | numer | from scripts yes, but calling from a shell is unknown to me |
| 13:53.54 | vlt | numer: Or within the script: php -r "" |
| 13:54.23 | numer | ok, thank you very much. |
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| 13:55.18 | vlt | numer: `php -r "echo strip_tags(STDIN);" < xml_file` should work |
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| 13:56.13 | numer | vlt yes, that looks cool |
| 13:57.14 | vlt | numer: Little correction: STDIN is a ressource you have to fgets() first. |
| 13:57.53 | numer | strip_tags(fgets(STDIN)) ? |
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| 13:59.42 | vlt | numer: fgets() reads only one line. You'll have to read them all in a "while() {}" statement. |
| 13:59.59 | ofer0 | numer, try this: perl -le 'my$f="";while(<>){$f.=$_};$f=~s/<.+?>//gs;print$f' <FILENAME> |
| 14:00.19 | vlt | numer: You should put the php code into single quotes when using too much {, $, } |
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| 14:01.11 | numer | and as far as i can see, microsoft msn messenger must have put all these information in one single line |
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| 14:01.46 | ofer0 | numer, please try the script |
| 14:01.46 | vlt | numer: Another way than piping into php was using the xml text as an argument which you can access by $argv[1] in PHP. |
| 14:01.46 | numer | ofer0 ok |
| 14:02.15 | ofer0 | numer, it will print the output on your terminal. you can redirect it to a file if you want. just tell me if it works. |
| 14:02.28 | numer | no problem, i'll try it right now |
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| 14:04.58 | numer | ofer0 yes it does the job, but it looks awfull, since it is a chat conversation, and the linfeeds and returns are gone |
| 14:05.18 | ofer0 | numer, can you upload an example of this file? |
| 14:05.29 | numer | ofer0 yes, hold on a second, moment |
| 14:05.31 | eisen_ | xmllint --format prettifies the xml |
| 14:05.59 | numer | eisen_ if you ask microsoft, it is already very pretty. hahah |
| 14:06.26 | ortega10 | i'm looking for a free / open source visual sql tool (query analyzer, views, tables, etc), that easily supports common non-free databases (oracle, mssql, sybase, etc), and ideally was multiplatform (both linux and windows)... any ideas? |
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| 14:08.21 | numer | ofer0 should i pastebin it somewhere? |
| 14:08.35 | ofer0 | numer, indeed. try rafb.net/paste |
| 14:09.58 | numer | ofer0 http://rafb.net/p/w17obu65.html |
| 14:10.42 | poncha | where can i alter locales settings? (what locales are to be generated, and what are system defaults) |
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| 14:11.06 | ofer0 | poncha, dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 14:11.11 | poncha | i was quite sure dpkg-reconfigure locales should do it.. but it only regenerates without asking |
| 14:11.19 | numer | ofer0 there is also a sort of tag definition file, if you need it i've pastebin this aswell |
| 14:11.25 | poncha | i.e. it looks like it's only rerunning locales-gen |
| 14:11.35 | poncha | **locale-gen |
| 14:11.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | I just got myself a Razer Diamondback gaming mouse. |
| 14:11.50 | Dark_Apostrophe | It's supposed to have software-configurable sensitivity |
| 14:11.52 | Dark_Apostrophe | Is it possible to configure it in GNU/Linux? |
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| 14:12.32 | ofer0 | poncha, you can change the locale settings using /etc/profile, exaple: export LC_ALL=en_US.utf8 |
| 14:13.13 | numer | http://rafb.net/p/zssYmk67.html |
| 14:13.52 | poncha | ofer0, and where does locale-gen take list of what should be generated? |
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| 14:14.17 | ofer0 | poncha, I don't remember. man locale-gen ? |
| 14:15.16 | ofer0 | numer, perl -le 'my$f="";while(<>){$f.=$_};$f=~s#</Text>#\n#gs;$f=~s/<.+?>//gs;print$f' <FILENAME> |
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| 14:15.30 | poncha | ofer0, ok, thanks |
| 14:15.45 | ortega10 | i'm looking for a free / open source visual sql tool (query analyzer, views, tables, etc), that easily supports common non-free databases (oracle, mssql, sybase, etc), and ideally was multiplatform (both linux and windows)... any ideas ? |
| 14:16.03 | cyzie | i understand that when we apt-get isntall mysql, we get the latest mysql version in the repos. let say i need earlier version of mysql, is apt also capable of doing that? |
| 14:16.13 | ofer0 | cyzie, no. |
| 14:16.18 | ofer0 | cyzie, debian isn't FreeBSD |
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| 14:16.46 | cyzie | ofer0, freeBSD allow u to downgrade? |
| 14:16.47 | numer | cool |
| 14:16.57 | ofer0 | numer, works alright? |
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| 14:17.14 | monokrome | Anyone know how I can see a specific user's id?! |
| 14:17.23 | ofer0 | monokrome, check /etc/passwd |
| 14:17.25 | numer | ofer0 works very well, sure would be good to have date and time of the conversation aswell, but how to extract |
| 14:17.42 | monokrome | weird! |
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| 14:18.29 | ofer0 | numer, if you want something which is more complex, I can do it for you but it takes time so i'll have to charge you for it. feel free to learn Perl (#perl), and you'll know how to do stuff like that by yourself. |
| 14:18.44 | KurtAngle | dmesg is saying to following about my cpu, what does it mean: |
| 14:18.44 | KurtAngle | WARNING: 1 siblings found for CPU0, should be 2 |
| 14:19.13 | numer | thank you very much ofer0 you have done allready enough. sure i'll do the rest. thank you very much again |
| 14:19.21 | ofer0 | numer, have fun |
| 14:19.34 | ofer0 | KurtAngle, paste /proc/cpuinfo |
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| 14:19.39 | dorkie | i need som quick help. how can i remove data from a log file without "replaceing" it? |
| 14:20.02 | ofer0 | dorkie, which logfile, what are you trying to remove, what do you mean "replacing" ? |
| 14:20.15 | ofer0 | KurtAngle, paste also "uname -a" |
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| 14:21.19 | dorkie | ofer0: i have qmail on my server and my disk is getting full. i need to crop my logfile without removeing the file, if it is removed,written qmail crashes |
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| 14:21.33 | ofer0 | dorkie, please use logrotate. |
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| 14:22.07 | JmGV | with debian should i download if I wanna use it with amd 64 (turion) |
| 14:22.09 | JmGV | ? |
| 14:22.35 | dimir | s/with/whitch/ |
| 14:22.46 | ofer0 | dimir, s/wh/w/ |
| 14:22.47 | dimir | s/whitch/which/ |
| 14:22.52 | ofer0 | dimir, damn. |
| 14:22.56 | h3sp4wn | poncha: /etc/locale.gen |
| 14:22.58 | dorkie | ofer0: how does that help anything. Logrotate crashes qmail. |
| 14:22.59 | ofer0 | dimir, yeah, I meant s/t// |
| 14:23.04 | dimir | ofer0: :-) |
| 14:23.06 | ofer0 | dorkie, are you sure? |
| 14:23.25 | dorkie | ofcouse. |
| 14:23.49 | ofer0 | I'm having a hard time to believe that when a logfile doesn't exist, qmail crashes. that's a real problem in application architecture. |
| 14:24.14 | dimir | aptitude purge qmail && aptitude install postfix should help |
| 14:24.16 | lkthomas-home | does anyone using mydns ? |
| 14:24.22 | dimir | I mean, use proper MTA~! |
| 14:24.23 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:24.24 | dorkie | ofer0: well. then you have no idea of how qmail works. |
| 14:24.42 | ofer0 | dorkie, perhaps, but I do have an idea regarding application architecture :) |
| 14:24.48 | blondie | exim is best |
| 14:24.49 | blondie | ;) |
| 14:24.57 | wireddd | lkthomas: are you using it for your home router? |
| 14:25.04 | dimir | !mta war |
| 14:25.32 | lkthomas-home | wireddd: no, production |
| 14:26.21 | dorkie | ofer0: indeed. but it still does not help me. i asked for a particlar problem. your applications archiecture does noe help me. now unless you have a viable suggestion, keep it for yourself. your bitching helps no one. |
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| 14:26.53 | ofer0 | dorkie, anyway, you can do it using Perl Tie::File. tie the file, splice the array lines (file lines) you don't want to and untie it. the file will not be removed even for a second. |
| 14:27.23 | ofer0 | s/to// |
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| 14:27.50 | wireddd | lkthomas-home: I have never use mydns, how it is? |
| 14:27.59 | dimir | dorkie: can't you shut down the MTA for 1 second? |
| 14:28.34 | dimir | dorkie: /etc/init.d/qmail stop && echo > /var/log/qmail.log && /etc/init.d/qmail start |
| 14:28.36 | dimir | ? |
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| 14:29.00 | ortega10 | i'm looking for a free / open source visual sql tool (query analyzer, views, tables, etc), that easily supports common non-free databases (oracle, mssql, sybase, etc), and ideally was multiplatform (both linux and windows)... any ideas? |
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| 14:29.23 | dimir | hoho |
| 14:29.32 | dimir | it looks like ortega10 is asking too much! |
| 14:29.33 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:29.39 | dimir | s/too/for too/ |
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| 14:30.04 | ofer0 | dimir, he is also asking too much |
| 14:30.13 | dimir | ortega10: and probably you want this tool to work too? |
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| 14:30.22 | dimir | ofer0: :-D |
| 14:30.49 | dimir | oh yeah. |
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| 14:30.56 | ortega10 | dimir: if that isn't too much to ask, yes :) |
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| 14:31.11 | dimir | ortega10: tell your boss he has to spend some $$$$$!!!!!11 |
| 14:31.14 | dimir | :-P |
| 14:32.19 | ortega10 | dimir: we already have a tool at work, it's me that want to use a f/oss one |
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| 14:40.04 | bartden | what package contains the mail command so i can check mail delivered in /var/mail/user ? |
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| 14:40.29 | markybob | is there a way to make `history clear` clear for all users, instead of just the current user? couldnt find it in the man page |
| 14:40.58 | dimir | bartden: /usr/bin/tail |
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| 14:41.38 | markybob | bartden, mail command is found in mailx |
| 14:41.39 | ezguy | hi, any ideas what does "pci=noacpi acpi=off" kernel parm do? |
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| 14:41.59 | markybob | ezguy, sounds like you need to be asking what acpi is, instead ;) |
| 14:42.29 | markybob | ezguy, obviously it stops acpi from starting |
| 14:42.31 | bartden | k thx markybob |
| 14:42.31 | ezguy | advance controller programmable interrupt? |
| 14:42.50 | markybob | ezguy, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Configuration_and_Power_Interface |
| 14:42.51 | ortega10 | i'm looking for a free / open source visual sql tool (query analyzer, views, tables, etc), that easily supports common non-free databases (oracle, mssql, sybase, etc), and ideally was multiplatform (both linux and windows)... any ideas ? |
| 14:43.02 | ofer0 | markybob, maybe... for i in `ls /home/*/.bash_history`; do echo -n > $i; done |
| 14:43.12 | ezguy | thanks |
| 14:43.19 | markybob | ofer0, good point. thanks |
| 14:43.22 | dimir | markybob: for user in $(getent passwd); do [ -f /home/$user/.history ] && rm /home/$user/.history; done |
| 14:43.29 | ofer0 | markybob, untested.. use it at your own risk. |
| 14:43.32 | markybob | dimir, thank you, too :) |
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| 14:43.56 | dimir | oh yeah, s/.history/.bash_history/ |
| 14:44.04 | markybob | dimir, gotcha. thanks |
| 14:44.10 | dimir | ;) |
| 14:44.59 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller is apic |
| 14:45.32 | ezguy | i see, i think need to turn that off. |
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| 14:45.44 | greg | Hello |
| 14:45.44 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: what manufacture of motherboard do you use ? |
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| 14:45.54 | greg | general linux bsh (or mv) question |
| 14:45.59 | markybob | dimir, wont that just do the current user? getent passwd spits out only one line, even as root |
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| 14:46.20 | markybob | greg, what's that? |
| 14:46.25 | greg | I've got a set of filename08xxxx.png that I want to change to filename09.xxxx.png |
| 14:46.26 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: chipset - there is a hack in the mainline kernel that breaks mine unless its removed |
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| 14:46.38 | greg | where xxxxx is a series of numbers |
| 14:46.51 | ortega10 | well bye, and thanks to all for your suggestions, or at least the good intentions in case you didn't get to make any suggestions... i guess there isn't such a tool, or no one knows it, or who knows what's the problem... |
| 14:47.05 | ezguy | tyan s2895 and i having a problem getting the nvidia card to work on the pci-e slot1 |
| 14:47.19 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: nvidia motherboard chipset ? |
| 14:47.24 | ezguy | yes |
| 14:47.32 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: nforce 5xx ? |
| 14:47.34 | greg | sorry, literally it should be filename08xxxx.png to filename09xxxx.png |
| 14:47.37 | ezguy | 3500 |
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| 14:48.34 | ezguy | h3sp3wn: it works find when i moved it to slot3 instead of slot1, could it be a problem with interrupt conflict in slot1? |
| 14:48.45 | dimir | markybob: $ getent passwd | wc -l |
| 14:48.46 | dimir | 5196 |
| 14:48.47 | ezguy | works fine ... |
| 14:48.59 | dimir | markybob: is your nsswitch broken? |
| 14:49.49 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: Sometimes a specific pci slot and a pci-e slot share an interupt unless apic is working |
| 14:49.51 | ezguy | h3sp3wn: should i try using noapic option in slot1? |
| 14:49.59 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: can you compile a kernel ? |
| 14:50.25 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/kernel/acpi/earlyquirk.c (there is a hack for old nvidia boards in that file - that breaks new ones) |
| 14:51.08 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: get rid of the whole #ifdef ACPI bit that mentions nvidia |
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| 14:51.20 | bib | join #gentoo |
| 14:51.26 | bib | sorry |
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| 14:51.54 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: or you can try noapic but you will get reduced performance and it should work |
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| 14:52.12 | ezguy | h3sp4wn: what would you think the problem might be when the card is in slot1 and x startup the screen goes blank and the system hang. |
| 14:52.21 | markybob | greg maybe... ls filename08* |while read file; do target=$(x echo $file | sed -e "/s/filename08/filename09/"); mv "$file" "$target"; done |
| 14:52.44 | markybob | dimir, yeah. you're right. thanks again :) |
| 14:53.00 | markybob | greg take out that x before echo in target. sorry |
| 14:53.01 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: look at /proc/interrupts nvidia doesn't like sharing with anything else in my experience |
| 14:53.03 | ezguy | h3sp3wn: ok. could it be a problem with pci-e slot1 (broken)? |
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| 14:53.12 | markybob | greg maybe... ls filename08* |while read file; do target=$(echo $file | sed -e "/s/filename08/filename09/"); mv "$file" "$target"; done |
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| 14:53.33 | ezguy | h3sp4wn: any suggestions to fix this problem? |
| 14:53.35 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: I think its more likely to be a buggy bios or nvidia driver bugs |
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| 14:53.50 | bib | buggy bios? |
| 14:53.53 | dimir | markybob: np, mate! |
| 14:54.04 | Knight_Lord | My x server doesn't work if i keep Load "glx" in my config file. What could be the problem? |
| 14:54.15 | Knight_Lord | the log file doesn't seem informative |
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| 14:55.31 | Knight_Lord | and glxgears and friend segfault without Load "glx" |
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| 14:55.58 | bib | can you run glxgears? |
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| 14:56.05 | ezguy | thanks |
| 14:56.16 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: running sarge or etch ? |
| 14:56.17 | Knight_Lord | bib no it segfaults |
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| 14:56.27 | bib | oh |
| 14:56.46 | ezguy | rhel-ws4u2 |
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| 14:57.20 | blondie | I thought this was #debian |
| 14:57.36 | bib | Knight_Load, are you using a nvidia PCIe graphic card? |
| 14:57.56 | Knight_Lord | bib the system was working before i rebooted. I don't know what changed |
| 14:58.01 | h3sp4wn | ezguy: ask redhat |
| 14:58.03 | Knight_Lord | bib I don't think it's PCIe |
| 14:58.05 | bib | O.o |
| 14:58.08 | ezguy | ok |
| 14:58.27 | Knight_Lord | bib it's the older standard |
| 14:58.36 | greg | hi |
| 14:58.49 | greg | for f in charanim08*.*; do mv -T ./"${f%charanim08}charanim09""$f";done |
| 14:58.55 | Knight_Lord | bib the log file sops at "Loading GLX" |
| 14:58.56 | greg | what's wrong with that syntax. |
| 14:59.10 | bib | Knight_Lord, the new kernel was compiled by yourself? |
| 14:59.19 | Knight_Lord | bib i did not change kernels |
| 14:59.25 | bib | oh |
| 14:59.27 | Knight_Lord | bib i rebooted due to nfs related problems |
| 14:59.28 | markybob | greg what's wrong with the command i showed you? |
| 14:59.42 | Knight_Lord | bib i'm still able to use the nvidia driver, but not glx |
| 14:59.51 | greg | Doh! so sorry marky. <trying> |
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| 15:00.08 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: did you remove load "Glcore" and load "dri" from xorg.conf ? |
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| 15:00.40 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn yes they are not there |
| 15:00.41 | bib | he said he didn't change any config... |
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| 15:01.06 | Knight_Lord | bib I can't promise i didn't change, but i don't remember changing it |
| 15:01.23 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn it used to work fine with 3D acel |
| 15:01.47 | bib | there is one explaintion... your box was pwned by hackers |
| 15:01.51 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: are you on etch or sarge ? |
| 15:01.59 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn i'm sid. |
| 15:02.13 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: tried rebuilding the kernel module ? |
| 15:02.15 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn not i guess i should figure out the problem by myself, but i couldn't yet |
| 15:02.23 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn no, i haven't tried that yet |
| 15:02.35 | bib | er, good luck... |
| 15:02.37 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn if there's not obvious solution i'll try that |
| 15:02.49 | greg | marykbob: mv: `charanim080677.png' and `charanim080677.png' are the same file |
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| 15:03.26 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: mine is working fine with sid (nvidia-glx from experimental) |
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| 15:03.39 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn i'll give it a try then |
| 15:03.44 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn what kernel? |
| 15:03.55 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: self built 2.6.20-rc |
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| 15:04.25 | markybob | greg hrm. sure you copy and pasted it exactly? it looks right to me. maybe you could ask in #bash. those guys are pretty good |
| 15:04.56 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: I cannot use the debian ones anyway because then apic and or acpi has to be disabled |
| 15:05.10 | greg | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:05.20 | LinuxHelp | !test |
| 15:05.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 15:05.27 | greg | markybob will ask there too thanks greatly. |
| 15:06.16 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew nvidia-glx (could try that) |
| 15:06.51 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn thanks, will give it a try |
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| 15:13.30 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn reinstalling nvidia didn't really fix it |
| 15:13.39 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn even running the new kernel and all |
| 15:13.50 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: and you rebuild the module as well ? |
| 15:14.30 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn i think i got a kernel with the module already built |
| 15:14.41 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn called nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3 |
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| 15:15.04 | Knight_Lord | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-486 |
| 15:15.19 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: could need rebuilding though - possibly (if it was built against the version now in etch) |
| 15:15.41 | Knight_Lord | nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-3-486 is an entire kernel not just the module |
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| 15:16.02 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: no it isn't it just the kernel module |
| 15:16.47 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn even so dpkg downloaded 2.6.18-3-486 with it and i'm running 2.6.18-3-486 now |
| 15:17.08 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn and what's more if i comment out "Load "glx"" I get to see the NVidia logo when i startx |
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| 15:18.00 | h3sp4wn | there is different revisions of 2.6.18-3-486 - 2.6.18-8 in sid 2.6.18-7 in etch |
| 15:18.55 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn but the headers are the same, which is what the module needs |
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| 15:19.31 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: You don't know what has been changed between those versions |
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| 15:20.43 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn so what do you propose i should do? which package to install? |
| 15:21.31 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: Forget it I will not propose anything more - as it is taking far too much energy (maybe I understand why this channel doesn't support sid now) |
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| 15:22.06 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn thanks for the help :-) |
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| 15:23.13 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: module-assistant autoinstall nvidia (that will rebuild the module) |
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| 15:23.32 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: Other than that no other ideas |
| 15:24.03 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn ok i'll try that, thanks. If i find the solution i'll let you know |
| 15:24.11 | humbolto | Is it currently possible to partition a raid-1? Do I do not have to create a raid for every partition I need? |
| 15:24.24 | humbolto | but instead one md0 and partition this one? |
| 15:24.38 | tiagosab | Hi! I'm trying to set up ssh with no password in my home network (etch-only) but it does not work! I added hosts.equiv, /etc/ssh/ssh_known_hosts and turned on HostbasedAuthentication in /etc/ssh/sshd_config. What am I missing? |
| 15:25.51 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn module-assistant is very nice :-). I didn't know about it |
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| 15:29.30 | karmatronic | tiagosab: you re missing a lot |
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| 15:30.36 | tiagosab | karmatronic: can you point point me some docs? unfortunately those in my system (ssh man pages) aren't enough for me... |
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| 15:33.20 | vipersniper | tiagosab, http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/152 |
| 15:34.37 | tiagosab | thanks vipersniper, but I would like to do it with /etc/hosts.equiv, because I want all of my (3) users to access the other hosts. |
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| 15:36.25 | karmatronic | tiagosab: 2 steps |
| 15:36.47 | karmatronic | tiagosab: first ssh-keygen -t dsa |
| 15:38.17 | karmatronic | tiagosab: specifite the target file |
| 15:38.30 | vipersniper | tiagosab, http://www.ssh.fi/support/documentation/online/ssh/adminguide/32/Configuring_SSH_Secure_Shell_for_TCP_Wrappers_Support.html |
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| 15:39.05 | karmatronic | then ssh-copy-id -i yuor _previous_file.pub target@target |
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| 15:39.37 | h3sp4wn | tiagosab: you could use sudo + ssh from one box and just copy roots key to the given user accounts with ssh-copy-id |
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| 15:40.33 | tiagosab | vipersniper: it's not exactly that yet, but there are lots of infos in that page. Thanks! |
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| 15:41.08 | [wz]MaC | how to find out, which php.ini my system uses? |
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| 15:41.28 | tiagosab | h3sp4wn: but shosts.equiv would be a better solution, I think. |
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| 15:42.25 | h3sp4wn | tiagosab: I use ssh-agent |
| 15:42.53 | skou | howcome, when I do apt-get --purge remove apache2 - it does not remove the apache2 binaries, config dirs or anything like that ? |
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| 15:43.08 | kblin | hi |
| 15:43.53 | kblin | I'm trying to run openvpn over the tap device on my debian etch box, but it seems like I can't create a tap device |
| 15:44.18 | Knight_Lord | Anyone knows what this error is? __glXActiveScreens from module /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a |
| 15:44.18 | Knight_Lord | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.37 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: you shouldn't be loading dri |
| 15:44.40 | Knight_Lord | I'm not loading DRI |
| 15:44.54 | Knight_Lord | this is right after (II) Loading extension NV-CONTROL |
| 15:44.54 | Knight_Lord | (==) RandR enabled |
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| 15:46.17 | MustangMatt | Is there a new news source now that DWN is dead? |
| 15:46.21 | h3sp4wn | /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libdri.a that is dri - and you shouldn't have stuff in X11R6 anyway |
| 15:47.40 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn ok, but there's not Load DRI in my xorg.conf |
| 15:48.51 | Maliuta | Knight_Lord: are you using the standard nv module? or the proprietry one from nvidia? |
| 15:49.15 | Knight_Lord | Maliuta i tried using nvidia-kernel module |
| 15:50.35 | Maliuta | Knight_Lord: I run nvidias here and at work ... if you want support for the advanced features (like xinerama) get the installer off of the nvidia site ... it's a PITA, when the glx stuff gets updated you have to re-install it |
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| 15:50.53 | Maliuta | Knight_Lord: but it works better than the "portes" stuff |
| 15:51.14 | h3sp4wn | The packaged stuff works perfectly here |
| 15:51.29 | Maliuta | h3sp4wn: you running unstable? |
| 15:51.33 | Knight_Lord | Maliuta ok i can give it a try |
| 15:51.39 | h3sp4wn | Maliuta: yep |
| 15:51.56 | h3sp4wn | Maliuta: nvidia-glx 9746-2 from experimental |
| 15:52.14 | Maliuta | Knight_Lord: be aware you need to change "nv" in xorg.conf to "nvidia:" |
| 15:52.29 | Maliuta | h3sp4wn: I don't have experimental in my list |
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| 15:52.45 | h3sp4wn | that is the only package I have from experimental |
| 15:53.09 | Maliuta | h3sp4wn: and the stuff merged into the normal unstable tree doesn't play nicely for me |
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| 15:53.30 | Maliuta | I also have to use th 96XX range for specific card support |
| 15:53.35 | Knight_Lord | apt-get install --reinstall nvidia-glx did the trick :-) |
| 15:53.38 | Knight_Lord | Maliuta thanks a lot |
| 15:53.55 | h3sp4wn | Knight_Lord: Did you not do that eariler though |
| 15:54.04 | Knight_Lord | h3sp4wn nope |
| 15:54.13 | karmatronic | ~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~[5~ |
| 15:54.23 | Maliuta | h3sp4wn: it doesn't work until I say it can ;) |
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| 15:55.30 | Knight_Lord | Now that i remember it's not the first time this happens. Quite annoying and I really can't understand why the reinstall works |
| 15:55.31 | h3sp4wn | Maliuta: If you need 9631 then that is a problem - the nvidia.com installer can really screw up stuff |
| 15:55.57 | Maliuta | h3sp4wn: which is what I need and the problem I have |
| 15:56.36 | h3sp4wn | Maliuta: You don't need it 8xxx still supports them |
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| 15:57.04 | h3sp4wn | No one needs texture_from_pixmap |
| 15:57.10 | Maliuta | h3sp4wn: I have a number of issues with hardware drivers like that ... things like the module for my intel 2200BG wireless on my lappie has to be compiled as a module |
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| 15:58.13 | krang | pardon the rather noobish question here, but how do I automatically keep my system up-to-date on the security front without installing oodles of unneccessary updates? |
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| 15:59.02 | Maliuta | krang: that depends on what you consider unneccessary |
| 15:59.16 | Knight_Lord | krang you're running stable? |
| 15:59.19 | krang | Maliuta: anything that doesn't make my system more secure |
| 15:59.25 | krang | Knight_Lord: yup |
| 15:59.42 | Maliuta | if you are running stable then anything that makes it into the security updates I consider required |
| 16:00.01 | Knight_Lord | krang just having the security mirror in your update list |
| 16:00.04 | Maliuta | so use apt-cron or a shell script that does the same |
| 16:00.56 | anapivirtua_ | Oyo all |
| 16:01.59 | krang | Maliuta, Knight_Lord : ok, so I have a security source in /etc/apt/sources.list, but how do I select only that source from the command line? |
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| 16:02.29 | Maliuta | krang: for stable you shouldn't need to |
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| 16:02.48 | Maliuta | apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
| 16:02.57 | krang | Maliuta: this is rather confusing. Does it just update itself without interference or something? |
| 16:03.17 | krang | Maliuta: if I run apt-get update, won't that update *all* software on the system? |
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| 16:03.28 | Maliuta | the 'apt-get update' updates the list of packages |
| 16:03.50 | krang | Maliuta: Ahem, if I run apt-get upgrade, won't that update *all* software on the system? |
| 16:04.24 | Maliuta | the `apt-get upgrade` will pick up the new packages (which for stable with security should be only new things in security updates) |
| 16:04.51 | pumpkin0 | krang: everything it found in the repos you have in your apt list. |
| 16:05.18 | ^Timo^ | Hi :) |
| 16:05.25 | ^Timo^ | i'v got a problem |
| 16:05.30 | krang | so is it guaranteed that update/upgrade will only do critical stuff then? |
| 16:05.46 | pumpkin0 | krang: for stable and security-repos: yes. |
| 16:06.01 | Maliuta | unless you change the repository listing |
| 16:06.06 | mogaal | Hi, i am working in a big Enterprise and we are trying to research what is the time that debian offers support to a olds version. For example, with woody debian offers 4 years of support since the release 0 |
| 16:06.17 | krang | I suppose I should just follow best practices of people who know what they're doing. How do you guys keep your servers stable and secure? |
| 16:06.42 | Maliuta | krang: that is not a simple question |
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| 16:06.54 | jelly | mogaal: 1 year after the next stable is released |
| 16:06.55 | krang | Maliuta: well, on the update front :-) |
| 16:06.57 | pumpkin0 | mogaal: support is officaly dropped 1 year after a version turns oldstable. |
| 16:06.57 | Maliuta | krang: my servers have a heap of hand compiled packages on them |
| 16:07.02 | mogaal | I need official document that let me know what is the time of debian support me when a stable go to oldstable |
| 16:07.18 | mogaal | pumpkin0: Well, i need a document tha say this |
| 16:07.24 | Maliuta | krang: I manage a large amount of that myself, the rest I leave to apt |
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| 16:07.44 | mogaal | In the departament they want a link oficial tha said this ;-S |
| 16:07.46 | mogaal | :-S* |
| 16:08.03 | smellydo1 | Can I add a temporary bookmark in one page in Firefox? |
| 16:08.13 | krang | Maliuta: So you just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, then manually update all your hand compiled stuff, and that's it? |
| 16:09.09 | Maliuta | krang: the hand built packages I have pinned to my own repo, and I rebuiold as required (I am on alot of lists to ensure I see problems) |
| 16:09.27 | Maliuta | krang: the rest apt-cron handles for me |
| 16:10.56 | krang | Maliuta: I guess I'm just terrified of updates breaking my system. Is that a legitimate fear on the whole? |
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| 16:11.15 | Maliuta | krang: I seriously recomend you look at the apt documentation and the variety of apt things that are available |
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| 16:11.50 | Maliuta | krang: if it makes it into the stable tree then it shouldn't cause a problem |
| 16:11.50 | jelly | mogaal: maybe http://www.debian.org/security/faq Q: How long will security updates be provided? |
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| 16:12.30 | Maliuta | krang: if you are going to mess with unstable or experimental be prepared for things to break and be able to fix them |
| 16:13.01 | Maliuta | krang: for work I use stable, for home/desktop I use unstable |
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| 16:13.42 | krang | Maliuta: Ok, so updates are *not* something to be afraid of on the whole then. You've never seen any updates to stable break anything seriously? |
| 16:13.57 | tuxplorer | where do I download the testing ISOs? etch only has gcc4 right? or does sarge r4 have it? |
| 16:14.01 | snowbird | i need help when i try to dl torent it wont conect to perrs |
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| 16:14.30 | Maliuta | krang: I have never had a stable upgrade break something, but I don't let it change my configs |
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| 16:14.52 | krang | Maliuta: Err, how do you ensure that? |
| 16:15.13 | yang_ | Could someone help me with /etc/network/interfaces with the new DSL setup ? |
| 16:15.19 | krang | Maliuta: Does apt leave a log of which files it changes? |
| 16:15.31 | pumpkin0 | krang: it asks during the update. |
| 16:15.35 | snowbird | ive got wifi card can some one help me set it up? |
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| 16:15.54 | karmatronic | snowbird: yeah pci or pcmcia? |
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| 16:16.02 | abrotman | !ask |
| 16:16.02 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 16:16.16 | snowbird | pci |
| 16:16.16 | karmatronic | hi abrotman |
| 16:16.19 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: what now ? torrents or WLAN troubles ? |
| 16:16.28 | snowbird | torents |
| 16:16.30 | karmatronic | snowbird: what does lspci show |
| 16:16.31 | prof3ta | I've a problem with usb pen drives |
| 16:16.33 | krang | pumpkin0: Ah, that helps. Ever had something break because you didn't change the config with the update? |
| 16:16.33 | snowbird | havent put card in box |
| 16:16.43 | karmatronic | snowbird: what s the model? |
| 16:16.52 | snowbird | rail link chipset |
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| 16:16.56 | snowbird | let me install brb |
| 16:17.13 | prof3ta | If I put external hhd or cameras everything is working |
| 16:17.25 | prof3ta | but if I put on a usb pen drive |
| 16:17.34 | yang_ | I don't know which flag to set for eth0 interface (I added iface eth0 inet dhcp), but the connection is done by pppoe |
| 16:17.41 | pumpkin0 | krang: not usually. I changed from apache to apache2 and had to change some bits. Also postgres had a little trouble. But nothing really serious, nothing makeing the box unbootable. |
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| 16:17.45 | prof3ta | the only result is a list of "i/o buffer error" on dmesg |
| 16:18.08 | prof3ta | I noticed that is because hal uses the ehci host for the pen |
| 16:18.14 | krang | pumpkin0: I was more worried about service interruption that can't be fixed in 5 minutes |
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| 16:18.45 | pumpkin0 | krang: never change a running server if you don't have a 2. one standby. |
| 16:18.46 | prof3ta | is there a method to specify that I want to use ohci if I plug in a specific pen drive?!? |
| 16:19.02 | prof3ta | and to use ehci otherwise?!? |
| 16:19.07 | pumpkin0 | krang: on the other side: all hiccups where on etch, not sarge. |
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| 16:19.14 | tuxplorer | would someone tell me where to download the testing ISOs? I wanna test debian etch.. please encourage a willing tester ;) |
| 16:19.15 | tuxplorer | lol |
| 16:19.26 | krang | pumpkin0: This brings me back to my original problem of what to update and what not to, and how to do it. |
| 16:19.28 | pumpkin0 | tuxplorer: www.debian.org |
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| 16:19.58 | hark | !d-i |
| 16:19.58 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 16:20.22 | tuxplorer | pumpkin0: I searched there.. and as I wasn't able to find, I asked here.. |
| 16:20.37 | pumpkin0 | krang: you could tell apt-get to upgrade only packages X and Y. (and base your choice on the bts / security notes). |
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| 16:21.29 | tuxplorer | ah! finally got it after some long search outside the debian site.. http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/ :) |
| 16:21.33 | krang | pumpkin0: Do those catch all the security holes? Oh, and what are the bts /security notes and where can I find them? |
| 16:21.45 | pumpkin0 | !tell krang about bts |
| 16:22.04 | tuxplorer | is karmatronic a bot? what does he do? |
| 16:22.17 | krang | pumpkin0: Pardon me. Be happy that I only have to be this stupid once per thing I don't know :-) |
| 16:22.20 | karmatronic | thank you |
| 16:22.41 | pumpkin0 | krang: and ... => http://lists.debian.org/debian-security-announce/ |
| 16:22.49 | karmatronic | i m a regular user, just know what happened there :) |
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| 16:23.08 | snowbird | back |
| 16:23.10 | karmatronic | tuxplorer: im human i swear |
| 16:23.25 | tuxplorer | karmatronic: ok. Thanks for sending that link :) |
| 16:23.44 | snowbird | kk who was helping with wifi |
| 16:23.48 | snowbird | il do lspci |
| 16:23.57 | hark | karmatronic, what are you |
| 16:23.58 | N0S3 | hello all |
| 16:23.58 | tuxplorer | karmatronic: is that the latest image released? it seems to have been modified only in Nov'06 |
| 16:24.07 | hark | hmm |
| 16:24.09 | krang | pumpkin0: Everything in the security repo is a fix for something in the security-announce list, yes? Would I be pretty safe updating only from that repo, or can that sometimes cause major version changes as well? |
| 16:24.24 | karmatronic | hark: i m french |
| 16:24.26 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: can you browse the normal internet over wifi ? |
| 16:24.38 | karmatronic | tuxplorer: lit s supposed to be the weekly relase first dvd |
| 16:24.40 | snowbird | RaLink RT2561/RT61 802.11g PCI |
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| 16:24.52 | snowbird | nevor set up wifi yet just put card in case |
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| 16:25.18 | snowbird | what should i do |
| 16:25.26 | tuxplorer | Thanks for the info karmatronic |
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| 16:25.44 | pumpkin0 | krang: more-or-less yes, the mailinglist is _the_ soucre for all infos. you don't get major version changes in stable... unless it is a really, really nasty bug. |
| 16:26.03 | pumpkin0 | !tell snowbird which driver |
| 16:26.16 | snowbird | ralink should have own |
| 16:26.23 | snowbird | il go look on there sight |
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| 16:26.26 | krang | pumpkin0: So A good place to go is updates from the security repo only if I'm paranoid about big breaky updates then? |
| 16:26.31 | karmatronic | tuxplorer: but you have better used the network cd |
| 16:26.33 | pumpkin0 | !tell snowbird about which driver |
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| 16:26.39 | karmatronic | snowbird: http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page |
| 16:26.55 | pumpkin0 | krang: yes. |
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| 16:27.36 | tuxplorer | karmatronic: I read in the release notes that the versions other than the full release are breaking down too much.. |
| 16:27.45 | SiLOX | I cant start X after I¨ve installed latest Nvidia driver :/ i get "no screen found" and "no devices detected" any ideas? |
| 16:27.55 | tuxplorer | karmatronic: so, the netinst must also break down right? |
| 16:28.20 | pumpkin0 | SiLOX: how did you install the driver ? via apt-get or from the nvidia-hp ? |
| 16:28.20 | snowbird | pupkin0 dosent show up there |
| 16:28.49 | krang | pumpkin0: Alright, thanks for the help. One last question, is there an easier way to update from a single specified than rewriting sources.list and restoring it afterwards? |
| 16:28.50 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: did you do the "lspci -n" and paste the wohle thing into the webpage ? |
| 16:29.04 | SiLOX | pumpkin0 i downloaded it on www.nvidia.com |
| 16:29.18 | snowbird | yes |
| 16:29.45 | hark | SiLOX: grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 16:29.56 | pumpkin0 | SiLOX: usually you are now out of luck and should prepare for a longer rebuild ... but put your xorg-conf and log into a pastebin. |
| 16:30.03 | hark | !nvidia |
| 16:30.04 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 16:30.09 | snowbird | that helped |
| 16:30.31 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: so you now know which driver to use ? |
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| 16:31.35 | tuxplorer | If I get the testing version's build for this week and install now, would I be able to get patches every week? or should I be doing an apt-get upgrade only? My workplace doesn't have an internet connection.. So, I gotta setup an internal mirror to provide the upgrades to all the nodes in the network.. |
| 16:32.05 | SiLOX | pumpkin0 i think I will reinstall that system ^^ chould go quite fast thx for the help |
| 16:32.06 | snowbird | says no driver on hcl list |
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| 16:33.00 | snowbird | any clues? |
| 16:33.13 | snowbird | pupkin |
| 16:33.47 | pumpkin0 | snowbird: you can try the ndiswrapper system... but i never had to use it before. |
| 16:34.09 | snowbird | u use railink driver of railink sight i think |
| 16:34.18 | snowbird | ndiswraopper not for railink |
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| 16:35.37 | pumpkin0 | tuxplorer: there will be updates and patches very few days. You should setup a deb-mirror or apt-proxy to get the packages and set the clients to use that server/mirror. (a debmirror is huge and changes quiet a bit..) |
| 16:36.00 | Vixus | There seems to be a memory leak on my system, the more I use it the slower it gets to doing things... is it Firefox? |
| 16:36.18 | abrotman | it's flash |
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| 16:36.31 | netgod | Vixus: what does top say? |
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| 16:36.49 | Vixus | netgod: Lots of things. |
| 16:36.57 | tuxplorer | pumpkin0: Thanks. It would be just around 21GB right? That should be fine, as long that the changes per week would be just around 1 GB |
| 16:37.05 | Vixus | netgod: But firefox is using 56% of resources |
| 16:37.11 | tuxplorer | pumpkin0: are my assumptions reasonable? |
| 16:37.17 | Vixus | netgod: and 30% memory |
| 16:37.35 | netgod | yeah its probably a firefox plugin; java and flash are flaky |
| 16:37.44 | Vixus | netgod: oh okay |
| 16:37.50 | pumpkin0 | tuxplorer: for etch and sarge: yes. It is way more for lenny and sid... |
| 16:37.52 | Vixus | netgod: Probably all the flash apps I had going |
| 16:38.01 | Vixus | netgod: Any better alternatives? |
| 16:38.10 | kevinFromSkool | Hello, can anybody remember me the command syntax (bash) to find a file contained the string char "aaaaa" ? |
| 16:38.27 | jjazz | kevinFromSkool: man grep |
| 16:38.33 | netgod | kevinFromSkool: rgrep aaaaa * |
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| 16:38.45 | netgod | Vixus: not that i know of, aside from just avoiding flash sites |
| 16:38.52 | netgod | Vixus: the alternative browers arent as featureful |
| 16:38.54 | kevinFromSkool | ok thanks a lot. |
| 16:38.55 | tuxplorer | pumpkin0: Thanks. We are gonna use etch now.. and as I could see that a soft freeze had been put up(http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/12/msg00001.html) the changes would be nominal :) |
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| 16:39.31 | Vixus | netgod: ok. |
| 16:40.27 | pumpkin0 | tuxplorer: you could try to limit the debmirror a bit. There are ways to exclude stuff you will never, ever want. |
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| 16:41.07 | tuxplorer | pumpkin: oh! that's gr8. I'll see the docs reg that and if I couldn't find it will ask you.. |
| 16:41.45 | pumpkin0 | tuxplorer: i don't know how that works, i just know our local mirror is missing some bits i need.... |
| 16:42.11 | tuxplorer | ok |
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| 16:43.59 | abrotman | any alternative browser that uses flash will end in the same result |
| 16:44.29 | cottima | how do I add a service like sshd to the bootup? |
| 16:44.55 | rahul | cottima: install the package. |
| 16:45.07 | cottima | that's all? |
| 16:45.09 | rahul | cottima: it's started by default. if not, use the same tool you did to disable it. |
| 16:45.16 | netgod | cottima: installing it will normally set it to start |
| 16:45.29 | rahul | sure. what's the point of installing a daemon if you don't want to run it? heh |
| 16:45.29 | netgod | cottima: if not, make sure /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh is properly symlinked |
| 16:45.38 | cottima | I am having problems with swat |
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| 16:46.20 | netgod | well u could be setting up for later deployment, but if u are, u probably know how to enable and disable daemons by han |
| 16:46.23 | netgod | hand even |
| 16:47.01 | cottima | okay. Thank you. |
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| 16:53.45 | PupenoR | Any program that can send warnings by email/jabber/whatever about particular conditions on a server that are dangerous (like running out of HD space) ? |
| 16:53.48 | ricflazz | in start-stop-deamon is is preferable to append "&" to the -exec parameter, or to use the -b option? |
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| 16:55.44 | orzel | hello. there's no apache2-ssl-certificate in etch 'apache2' package.. do you know how we are supposed to do know ? |
| 16:55.48 | abrotman | PupenoR: snmp perhaps |
| 16:55.52 | abrotman | make-ssl-cert |
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| 16:56.22 | snowbird | got my torent to dl |
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| 16:58.40 | mein_traumland | http://mibssam.free.fr/ |
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| 16:58.58 | temery | hi |
| 16:59.18 | blondie | mein_traumland: go spam somewhere else |
| 16:59.21 | temery | how to mount a partition on utf-8 please ? |
| 16:59.28 | blondie | temery: what do you mean? |
| 16:59.43 | temery | it's not for me |
| 16:59.45 | temery | :/ |
| 16:59.52 | blondie | don't understand what you're asking |
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| 17:00.09 | orzel | abrotman: thanx !:) |
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| 17:00.24 | temery | blondie: i'm sorry :p my english is too franch |
| 17:00.36 | yunhual | hi, i login to a remote system, an i must upload a directory to another system with ftp, there are large number file and subdirectory under the directory i want to upload, but i can't compress it with tar gzip and so on. so i want to a command line utility to upload it like gtfp. |
| 17:00.51 | pumpkin0 | yunhual: ncftp |
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| 17:01.09 | blondie | franch? :P |
| 17:01.14 | blondie | !fr |
| 17:01.14 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 17:01.18 | temery | franch ! |
| 17:01.23 | temery | french* |
| 17:01.25 | yunhual | any i want it can auto resume if connect are broken |
| 17:01.25 | yunhual | pumpkin0 thank you |
| 17:01.30 | temery | france > franch |
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| 17:02.06 | temery | it's for send ext2 data to ext3 data with not problems |
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| 17:02.24 | salman_ | hello |
| 17:03.24 | salman_ | I faced this alot, I haev an application not responding and I want to kill it, but top doesn't show it because the list is long. what to do? |
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| 17:03.57 | pumpkin0 | salman_: "ps aux|grep <name>". |
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| 17:04.59 | salman_ | thanks pumpkin0 , I will save that |
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| 17:05.34 | pumpkin0 | salman_: alternative: "killall <name>" or "killall -9 <name>" for harder cases. |
| 17:05.55 | Equin | How would I give a usergroup permission to write/read files in a certain folder? |
| 17:06.51 | jjazz | Equin: man chmod |
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| 17:07.14 | jjazz | Equin: And perhaps chown |
| 17:07.22 | Equin | okay |
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| 17:08.36 | Equin | would it be stupid to chmod 777 my /var/www or is that normal? |
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| 17:08.42 | tarzeau | does anyone use http://ffem.org/daveb/pkgwrite/ ? |
| 17:08.43 | piper69 | good morning all |
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| 17:09.04 | pumpkin0 | Equin: why should the world have write-access to your server ? |
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| 17:09.15 | netgod | Equin: its risky, but understandable if u only have 1 user on your box |
| 17:09.27 | piper69 | if i want to change my host name should i just change it at /etc/hostname is it that simple? |
| 17:09.32 | piper69 | pumpkin0: whats up man |
| 17:09.34 | Equin | How do I allow multiple users access then but not all? |
| 17:09.43 | netgod | pumpkin0: some php scripts need write access to its files anyway, like joomla and mambo |
| 17:09.48 | pumpkin0 | piper69: and the entry in /etc/hosts for 127.0.0.1... |
| 17:09.59 | jjazz | Equin: You put the file in a group, add users to the group and give that group access. |
| 17:10.06 | Equin | right |
| 17:10.08 | jjazz | Equin: I probably should have mentioned man chgrp |
| 17:10.12 | Equin | any nice tutorials on that jjazz? :P |
| 17:10.13 | pumpkin0 | netgod: so the folder should be owned by the group the server runs... |
| 17:10.15 | piper69 | pumpkin0: does it require a restart |
| 17:10.47 | netgod | Equin: make it group-writable, and put apache in that group (usually www-data) |
| 17:10.47 | yunhual | hi, i have download a new version debian from windows, my harddisk format is NTFS, is any way to install debian from NTFS format hardisk |
| 17:10.47 | netgod | pumpkin0: yah, if its a multiuser box |
| 17:10.48 | yunhual | hi, i have download a new version debian from windows, my harddisk format is NTFS, is any way to install debian from NTFS format hardisk |
| 17:10.53 | Equin | oh man |
| 17:10.53 | jjazz | Equin: I doubt tutorials on that exist. It's too small a thing. |
| 17:11.01 | Equin | not to me! :P |
| 17:11.02 | pumpkin0 | piper69: since just about everything caches that information ... it would be safer... |
| 17:11.21 | Equin | how do I make a group? |
| 17:11.23 | jjazz | Equin: Maybe an introduction to file management tutorial? |
| 17:11.26 | Equin | and how do I put users in that group? |
| 17:11.32 | jozan | yunhual, no, you need to do it properly |
| 17:11.34 | Equin | yeah that would help |
| 17:11.35 | pumpkin0 | yunhual: no. forget it, it will cause way more trouble that a simple reformat in a nice and fast linux-fs. |
| 17:11.39 | netgod | Equin: adduser user group |
| 17:11.43 | piper69 | pumpkin0: got you , pk will do that |
| 17:11.54 | jjazz | Equin: man adduser |
| 17:12.06 | Equin | how do I create the group? |
| 17:12.10 | Equin | thanks jjazz |
| 17:12.10 | yunhual | i have no cd-writer |
| 17:12.21 | netgod | Equin: www-data already exists, its best to be standard |
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| 17:12.35 | Equin | ah, so www-data is a usergroup |
| 17:12.35 | jjazz | Equin: man addgroup, but if you've already installed apache, the group exists. |
| 17:12.37 | pumpkin0 | yunhual: use a FAT32 partition or a USB-stick. |
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| 17:13.10 | jozan | yunhual, you can also order debian from various places for the cost of the CDs+postage |
| 17:13.13 | netgod | Equin: that said, if users are added with adduser, what might groups be added with? |
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| 17:13.25 | Equin | addgroup, got it :P |
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| 17:13.35 | sivik | !win32codecs |
| 17:13.35 | dpkg | it has been said that win32codecs is see w32codecs |
| 17:13.42 | sivik | !w32codecs |
| 17:13.42 | dpkg | [w32codecs] a package that is not distributed by Debian due to legal issues. The package provides codecs for several multimedia formats, such as AVI, Realmedia, and Windows Media. To get w32codecs, ask me about <debian-multimedia>. https://shop.fluendo.com/ |
| 17:13.53 | tonyb2006 | ffmpet is cooler |
| 17:13.56 | sivik | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:13.56 | dpkg | hmm... debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 17:14.02 | tonyb2006 | !ffmpeg |
| 17:14.02 | dpkg | Get ffmpeg from the same place you get mplayer |
| 17:14.04 | tonyb2006 | :D |
| 17:15.00 | netgod | Equin: www-data is both a user and a group -- its debian default to create both for everyone, so they can do clever file management stuff |
| 17:15.14 | Equin | okay |
| 17:15.34 | Equin | So, I added my user to www-data |
| 17:15.39 | Equin | but he can still not write in /var/www |
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| 17:15.54 | sivik | how do i get a key for the debian-multimedia repos? |
| 17:16.02 | netgod | Equin: chmod -R g+rwX /var/www |
| 17:16.24 | Equin | that makes it group writeable? |
| 17:16.29 | pumpkin0 | Equin: log out and back in. |
| 17:16.34 | netgod | it does |
| 17:17.17 | Equin | I still get a 550 access denied from my vsftpd |
| 17:17.22 | Equin | did a reconnect a few times |
| 17:17.55 | sivik | how do i get a key for the debian-multimedia repos? |
| 17:17.55 | Equin | can't save files with nano either, permission denied :( |
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| 17:18.02 | netgod | Equin: are the files in the right group? |
| 17:18.12 | Equin | netgod, i've no idea |
| 17:18.27 | netgod | Equin: ls -l |
| 17:18.38 | Equin | I see a load of root |
| 17:18.46 | sivik | Equin, thats your problem |
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| 17:18.53 | Equin | how do I fix it? :P |
| 17:18.58 | netgod | Equin: chown -R www-data.www-data /var/www |
| 17:18.59 | Equin | chown www-data? |
| 17:19.16 | Equin | alright |
| 17:19.16 | sivik | Equin, i have a book you might want to read that will walk you through it |
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| 17:19.30 | Equin | w00t, it works |
| 17:19.32 | Equin | thanks |
| 17:19.39 | Equin | sivik, I need a book? :P :P |
| 17:19.49 | pumpkin0 | Equin: hint: the server has to log out and back in too. |
| 17:19.54 | sivik | Equin, i have a book you might want to read that will walk you through it |
| 17:19.59 | sivik | how do i get a key for the debian-multimedia repos? |
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| 17:20.38 | sivik | sudo /etc/init.d/http restart |
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| 17:21.24 | netgod | the webserver is already running as www-data; the ftpd runs as root, and does an internal su to whoever when they connect -- so technically, neither should need restarting |
| 17:21.30 | MatBoy | to what machine are clients connecting to check their mail when you have a antispam-gateway in front os the server ? |
| 17:21.33 | MatBoy | of |
| 17:21.34 | aidehua | What can cause a filesystem to be un-unmountable ("device busy")? |
| 17:21.47 | sivik | how do i get a public key for the debian-multimedia repos |
| 17:21.53 | netgod | aidehua: a shell using that directory as the current directory |
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| 17:22.02 | aidehua | netgod: thanks |
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| 17:22.33 | sivik | !public-key |
| 17:22.40 | HugoG | aidehua: or any process using resources at that volume |
| 17:22.50 | pumpkin0 | aidehua: usually: "lsof | grep /<mountpoint>" shows the process causing the problem. |
| 17:22.50 | sivik | !debian-multimedia |
| 17:22.50 | dpkg | it has been said that debian-multimedia is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <debian-multimedia.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 17:23.28 | aidehua | I have a difficult problem -- I want to have a filesystem with snapshot backups on it, and files in those snapshots are owned by my users, so I want to mount the FS readonly so that users can't break their own backups... |
| 17:23.51 | aidehua | ...but I'd also like to be able to write new snapshots to this filesystem as root :) |
| 17:23.56 | Equin | how would I check if php is installed? |
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| 17:24.07 | aidehua | (Snapshot backups are created with "rsync ... --link-dest", by the way.) |
| 17:24.11 | sivik | how do i get a public key for the debian-multimedia repos |
| 17:24.23 | netgod | Equin: telnet to localhost port 80 and type "GET / HTTP/1.0" and hit enter twice |
| 17:24.23 | tonyb2006 | they's watchin me...ADMINS |
| 17:24.24 | hark | !debian-multimedia.etch |
| 17:24.24 | dpkg | To add the debian-multimedia repository, first ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) |
| 17:24.29 | HugoG | Equin: which php |
| 17:24.46 | hark | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:24.46 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 17:25.04 | netgod | Equin: or just see if /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/php5.conf exists, but thats the lazy way; telnet is more eleet |
| 17:25.05 | hark | or read the FAQ at debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:25.13 | emubite | What is the difference between the daily network install and etch RC1? Does the daily have updated drivers that RC1 doesn't? |
| 17:25.16 | Equin | ok :) |
| 17:25.23 | emubite | (Completely new to Debian...!) |
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| 17:25.32 | Equin | I think now apache doesn't have permission to read files in /var/www |
| 17:25.36 | netgod | aidehua: why not just lock down the permissions on the system? |
| 17:26.05 | netgod | aidehua: its not like users can write to /usr either, its all in the flags |
| 17:27.00 | sivik | !add-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:27.05 | Equin | when user a that is part of group www-data and group b writes a file to /var/www, will my webserver have access to it? |
| 17:27.25 | blondie | Equin: that depends on the file's permissions. |
| 17:27.32 | aidehua | netgod: "lock down the permissions" what do you mean? |
| 17:27.35 | netgod | Equin: no, by default, unless u hae the sticky bit set on the directory in /var/www |
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| 17:27.50 | Equin | netgod, should I set that bit? |
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| 17:27.52 | netgod | Equin: advanced unix permission management can get tricky |
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| 17:27.57 | netgod | Equin: i would, yah |
| 17:28.00 | pumpkin0 | aidehua: you could also use the mount-parameters uid, gid to make all files ownd by root and umask to make them ro for users. |
| 17:28.01 | Equin | how? :P |
| 17:28.09 | pumpkin0 | aidehua: (depends on the fs used) |
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| 17:28.32 | Equin | netgod - how would I set the sticky bit |
| 17:28.35 | aidehua | I'm toying with the idea of "chmod 0700"-ing the mountpoint; mounting it read-write; writing a new snapshots; mounting back to readonly; chmod 0755-ing the mountpoint. |
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| 17:29.02 | sivik | !add-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:29.11 | Equin | I don't feel like chmodding every file I upload so my webserver can read it |
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| 17:29.26 | pumpkin0 | aidehua: you can tell mount to overwrite the umask for all files all the time. mount -o umask=700 ... |
| 17:29.32 | Maximiliano | hi.. i need help... im updatig all pakages using synaptic (etch) it download all the pakages and star to configure everyting... but at one moment ask me to acept a question when configuring console-data but it is in the details windows into synaptic and i cannot acept... and the update doesnt continue |
| 17:29.37 | sivik | Equin, you can do it to all files in a foler |
| 17:29.44 | sivik | folder but using chmod -R |
| 17:30.08 | sivik | i'm trying to add key 1F41B807 but dpkg bot won't tell me where to get that key |
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| 17:30.15 | sivik | !add-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:30.24 | sivik | !dpkg add-key 1F41B907 |
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| 17:30.58 | sivik | stupid bot |
| 17:31.03 | netgod | Equin: the easiest thing is to configure ftpd to write files with the proper group and umask |
| 17:31.09 | Ungy | I am looking for good information on a umask for ftp I need to have all files and directories created by the user to be readable and writable by all users |
| 17:31.12 | aidehua | pumpkin0: the first filesystem I found that supports that feature is FAT :) |
| 17:31.15 | Equin | ok netgod |
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| 17:31.24 | netgod | Equin: setting sticky bits gets tricky, because people will always want to create new directories and stuff which dont have the bit set |
| 17:31.26 | pumpkin0 | aidehua: and ext3 .. |
| 17:31.37 | sivik | !dpkg add-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:31.41 | sivik | !add-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:31.52 | netgod | Equin: for a sanity check, u can run a cronjob to redo the chmod -R every night or something -- a hack, but effective |
| 17:32.02 | hark | !tell sivik -about apt-key add 1F41B907 |
| 17:32.19 | aidehua | pumpkin0: I don't think ext3 supports the umask mount option. |
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| 17:32.36 | hark | !tell sivik -about apt-key 1F41B907 |
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| 17:32.54 | sivik | hark: which one do i need to use |
| 17:32.56 | hark | !apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 17:32.57 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 17:33.19 | tonyb2006 | HI |
| 17:33.19 | Darkclaw_ | hello, I need some help configuring Squid. It is my first time and the config file isn't providing me enough information. Thanks. |
| 17:33.31 | blondie | #squid |
| 17:33.31 | hark | sivik: or read the FAQ at debian-multimedia.org |
| 17:33.37 | netgod | Darkclaw_: what do you want squid to do? |
| 17:33.42 | Darkclaw_ | theres no activity at all in #squid |
| 17:33.52 | sivik | hark: thanks |
| 17:33.55 | Darkclaw_ | netgod well I am having a hard time choosing which type of proxy to use for starters... |
| 17:34.07 | jatt | hi, I got today a new laptop which has windows xp installed and only one partition. I want to dual boot debian (sarge) with it. Which is the best way to repartition my hard drive? I read that partition magic is a tool to do this, but it is not free. I want to install debian but to avoid to reinstall windows xp. |
| 17:34.19 | tonyb2006 | ntfstools |
| 17:34.24 | tonyb2006 | can resize a partition |
| 17:34.32 | pumpkin0 | aidehua: strange but true. sorry. |
| 17:34.40 | jjazz | jatt: And you might want to go with Etch. |
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| 17:35.03 | jatt | jjazz: sure you are right |
| 17:35.14 | tonyb2006 | yeah etch is cooler |
| 17:35.23 | jatt | tonyb2006: ntfstools is for linux only isn't it? |
| 17:35.34 | tonyb2006 | i think its ntfsutils |
| 17:35.42 | jatt | tonyb2006: or maybe I can use it from a live cd? |
| 17:35.44 | tonyb2006 | and i think knoppix has it built in |
| 17:35.45 | tonyb2006 | Your organization has chosen to limit viewing of this site (http://linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net/), due to the rating of its content (sharewares download). |
| 17:35.49 | tonyb2006 | god damnit |
| 17:35.50 | tonyb2006 | damn school |
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| 17:36.30 | tonyb2006 | The requested page is currently unavailable |
| 17:36.30 | tonyb2006 | -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 17:36.32 | tonyb2006 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:36.38 | jatt | ok, so starting a knoppix live cd and then running this ntfsutils tool over my hard drive device would work... |
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| 17:36.47 | tonyb2006 | jatt: its not a GUI though |
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| 17:37.21 | tonyb2006 | web banners?!..W E B...BANNERS |
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| 17:37.22 | sivik | ok, i installed the w32codecs, but nothing works |
| 17:37.22 | tonyb2006 | how the <bleep> is linux-ntfs web banners! |
| 17:37.37 | pumpkin0 | sivik: nothing ? |
| 17:37.47 | sivik | pumpkin0, still says i don't have the right plugins installed |
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| 17:37.50 | jatt | tonyb2006: no problem. If I understood correctly once the partitions were resized, edge will install grub and grub will take care not to delete the windows boot loader, isn't it? |
| 17:37.58 | tonyb2006 | yes |
| 17:38.03 | pumpkin0 | sivik: mplayer ? |
| 17:38.08 | tonyb2006 | ntfsresize is the tool in ntfsutils |
| 17:38.11 | tonyb2006 | read the manpage |
| 17:38.17 | sivik | you do not have a decoder installed to handle this file, you might need to install the necessary plugins, matters not if i use totem or mplayer |
| 17:38.25 | Darkclaw_AK | my work firewalls a lot of ports. I need to use Squid to be able to use all the cool things like IM and stuff |
| 17:38.40 | blondie | IM sucks, use IRC! |
| 17:38.40 | Growly | i'm not gonna lie to you, absobing the collective knowledge sure beats reading reviews all day |
| 17:38.58 | jatt | tonyb2006: thanks ntfsresize looks good... I will use this tool |
| 17:39.00 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: use an SSH tunnel |
| 17:39.04 | pumpkin0 | sivik: yes, but the command-line mplayer actually tells you a bit more. Put the output of mplayer into a pastebin. |
| 17:39.12 | Darkclaw_AK | tonyb2006 a ssl tunnel? |
| 17:39.13 | sivik | ok |
| 17:39.13 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: thats what I do |
| 17:39.16 | tonyb2006 | uh |
| 17:39.17 | tonyb2006 | h/o |
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| 17:39.21 | tonyb2006 | do you have an ssh server running? |
| 17:39.28 | Darkclaw_AK | yes, I have |
| 17:39.34 | tonyb2006 | can you connect to it? |
| 17:39.35 | PaSurf | I am looking for recommended utilities to backup debian with a mysql database. I have been looking into rsync. I would like something super simple to use and runs from command line... |
| 17:39.51 | Darkclaw_AK | yes, they let me connect via ssl |
| 17:39.54 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: http://tonybox.net/~tonyb/images/tunnel.htm |
| 17:40.04 | tonyb2006 | i wrote that guide to it |
| 17:40.12 | tonyb2006 | you can set any app that'll use a SOCKS5 proxy to go through it |
| 17:40.20 | Darkclaw_AK | that is so cool, thats what I want |
| 17:40.23 | tonyb2006 | :) |
| 17:40.25 | netgod | PaSurf: u can rsync it, but it may not be reliable -- databases are always in a state of flux |
| 17:40.32 | hark | jatt: if you're going to use the live cd, there'll be gparted or qparted which should provide you a partition magic like GUI. |
| 17:40.39 | netgod | PaSurf: technically the best is to use mysqldump, then rsync that file |
| 17:40.47 | PaSurf | netgod: ever used zmanda? |
| 17:40.54 | Darkclaw_AK | tonyb2006 that is for configuring Putty a ssh client? |
| 17:40.59 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: yes |
| 17:40.59 | hark | which will be using ntfsresize |
| 17:41.00 | PaSurf | Ah, that sounds ok... |
| 17:41.05 | netgod | amanda? |
| 17:41.09 | PaSurf | zmanda |
| 17:41.14 | netgod | no never heard of it |
| 17:41.21 | Darkclaw_AK | tonyb2006 I need to install some sort of socks server? |
| 17:41.23 | PaSurf | its for mysql backups... |
| 17:41.24 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: no |
| 17:41.27 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: you just need sshd |
| 17:41.32 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: and PuTTY will do the rest |
| 17:41.33 | jatt | hark: thanks, but does gparted resizes ntfs partitions? I thought only ntfsresize (as suggested by tonyb2006) did it |
| 17:41.34 | Psy-X | Hi |
| 17:41.36 | netgod | ok might work then |
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| 17:41.54 | Darkclaw_AK | PuTTY is just the client though, how will the other apps like MSN messenger see that? |
| 17:42.01 | jatt | hark: oh I sese, so gparted can be used as front-end for ntfsresize? |
| 17:42.08 | tonyb2006 | you set them to use a SOCKS5 proxy "localhost" "8080" |
| 17:42.09 | hark | jatt: it'll use it (as a backend) |
| 17:42.14 | tonyb2006 | SSH simulates a proxy |
| 17:42.22 | Darkclaw_AK | that is very interesting |
| 17:42.31 | tonyb2006 | my guide shows usin firefox |
| 17:42.35 | jatt | hark: cool, will try it instead... I do have a very old knoppix live cd let's see if there is no problem with it |
| 17:42.40 | Darkclaw_AK | so anyone who has access to a server running sshd can do this? |
| 17:42.44 | tonyb2006 | yes |
| 17:42.46 | jatt | very old=2 years old maybe |
| 17:42.48 | hark | jatt: http://gparted.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:42.49 | Darkclaw_AK | isn't that bad??? |
| 17:42.55 | sivik | hey, its working in mplayer now |
| 17:42.55 | PaSurf | netgod: its kinda hard to explain, but I want to use something like tar. I just want to be able to load the software and restore. No over the top reinstallation and configurations. Just select files/folders to backup and go. But diffs would be nice too :) |
| 17:43.03 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: you still need the password... |
| 17:43.08 | schitzo | yo |
| 17:43.12 | Darkclaw_AK | this is so weird and cool at the same time |
| 17:43.24 | mz_work | Darkclaw_AK, or disallow password login and use keys |
| 17:43.29 | mz_work | for more security |
| 17:43.35 | PaSurf | netgod: but its nice to know what the "community" is using that is simple and established for backup utilities... |
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| 17:43.45 | Darkclaw_AK | mz_work if I do that then i won't be able to bounce? |
| 17:43.49 | Darkclaw_AK | or proxy |
| 17:44.07 | DevilChaos | hi people |
| 17:44.09 | DevilChaos | :) |
| 17:44.10 | tonyb2006 | private keys are cool |
| 17:44.32 | tonyb2006 | (usb drive) |
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| 17:44.38 | Darkclaw_AK | tonyb2006 will I be able to use keys with putty? |
| 17:44.43 | tonyb2006 | uh yeah |
| 17:44.54 | DevilChaos | tonyb2006: yeah the encryption stuff with debian is cool |
| 17:45.06 | Darkclaw_AK | wow, this is cool, thanks guys |
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| 17:45.14 | tonyb2006 | i like it because its encrypted |
| 17:45.20 | tonyb2006 | the school people watch me anyway....... |
| 17:45.32 | DevilChaos | can anyone suggest a good mp3 player for debian other than xmms? |
| 17:45.38 | blondie | DevilChaos: mpd |
| 17:45.39 | tonyb2006 | amarok, MPD, rhythmbox |
| 17:45.41 | tonyb2006 | i use MPD |
| 17:45.44 | mz_work | Darkclaw_AK, i use an ssh tunnel to read my email from my home mail server |
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| 17:45.55 | rahul | DevilChaos: mpg321 |
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| 17:46.07 | rahul | mplayer... gqmpeg... |
| 17:46.15 | tonyb2006 | xine |
| 17:46.19 | blondie | cat |
| 17:46.24 | mz_work | sox plays mp3's |
| 17:46.48 | tonyb2006 | BMP |
| 17:46.48 | netgod | PaSurf: amanda is popular but complex; zmanda looks fairly elaborate too -- looks like once youre talking differential diffs and database recovery to arbitary points in the past, theres no simple answer |
| 17:46.52 | Equin | does a debian webserver install come with mysql? |
| 17:47.07 | tonyb2006 | like in tasksel? |
| 17:47.09 | Ronin | it can |
| 17:47.17 | netgod | do you want it to? :-) |
| 17:47.33 | Equin | well, I selected the default webserver install options :P |
| 17:48.02 | tonyb2006 | i dont think it does, not sure though |
| 17:48.04 | aidehua | Would this safely lock a filesystem from other users, during an update?: http://www.tropic.org.uk/~edward/locking-ro-fs |
| 17:48.15 | Ronin | not by default though at least not 1.3.x |
| 17:48.25 | curt | qotd: "Sufficiently advanced incompetence is indistinguishable from malice" and "Do not attribute to malice that which can be explained by blatant stupidity" |
| 17:48.32 | Darkclaw_AK | don't suppose I can play WoW using this tunnel? |
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| 17:48.50 | Protecode | Tunnel wow :) |
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| 17:49.13 | Protecode | Cool biz model :P |
| 17:49.27 | DevilChaos | what bit size? i have 4096 bit encryption |
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| 17:49.58 | PaSurf | netgod: understood... Am looking at the mysqldump. Seems that would work. I guess I need to see what exactly I need the software to do. At this point I just want to backup my test database and some server files (just to get the jist of things) then possibly move one to something more elaborate. But like I said, easy and simple is key. I am not interested in complexity, just availability of my backups. Seems most are comp |
| 17:50.06 | Protecode | I have pirate bits, rockalolltott :) |
| 17:50.12 | tonyb2006 | mt compy just logged itself off (or i did by accidentally pressing a key combo) |
| 17:50.15 | Darkclaw_AK | tonyb2006 can I play WoW using this tunnel? |
| 17:50.16 | PingFloyd | Equin: Debian tends not force anything down the user's throat |
| 17:50.25 | Equin | ok |
| 17:50.25 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: if it supports using a proxy |
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| 17:50.35 | gpm | this is really OT, but does anyone have a recommendation for a good, ad-free URL redirection service? |
| 17:50.38 | PaSurf | netgod: but I am grateful for the help... |
| 17:50.51 | tonyb2006 | Darkclaw_AK: which would be a little stupid of them to allow that, because people could evade through it |
| 17:50.56 | Darkclaw_AK | thanks |
| 17:50.58 | Halitherses | Which font package should I install for better looking fonts? |
| 17:51.00 | Protecode | gpm: your own webserver with a redirect ? |
| 17:51.23 | PingFloyd | gpm: one option is to use redirect remover extension with firefox |
| 17:51.25 | DevilChaos | mpg321 haved a gui? |
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| 17:51.46 | Protecode | hows vlc DevilChaos ? |
| 17:51.58 | DevilChaos | vlc? |
| 17:52.04 | Protecode | video lan client |
| 17:52.18 | rahul | DevilChaos: gqmpeg can use it as a backend |
| 17:52.25 | Protecode | Im not hearing as much as i should possibly do from that proj |
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| 17:52.51 | Darkclaw_AK | tonyb2006 I installed PuTTy and followed the config but MSN messenger isn't able to connect to port 8080 |
| 17:52.56 | Darkclaw_AK | is there a program I need to run? |
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| 17:53.18 | Protecode | mplayer folks keeps saying that most versions of glibc is bad, i think they should code betar |
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| 17:54.12 | rahul | the glibc folks say that most versions of glibc are bad |
| 17:54.25 | Protecode | hehe, not the stable ones though |
| 17:54.26 | rahul | (except for the one that's most current, which then becomes the bad one :P) |
| 17:54.37 | Protecode | 2.3.6 is nice |
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| 17:54.39 | mein_traum | http://mibssam.free.fr |
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| 17:55.03 | Protecode | 2.4 > are not to specs |
| 17:55.07 | blondie | !ops mein_traum spamming |
| 17:55.07 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: mein_traum spamming |
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| 17:55.43 | cydork | hmm that was quick! |
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| 17:56.08 | cydork | !pony LoRez |
| 17:56.16 | blondie | :) |
| 17:56.40 | Protecode | blondie: thats nice info. |
| 17:56.50 | cydork | LoRez: you wasted good food! :P |
| 17:56.52 | blondie | what is? |
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| 17:57.58 | Protecode | blondie: looked like those dpkg spouted was spamming |
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| 17:58.19 | gnube | I have set up usertrack on my server and configured my log line in virtual hosts but my cookies are not returning any value. Where should I look for help? |
| 17:58.27 | gnube | Google so far has been nearly useless |
| 17:58.44 | blondie | Protecode: thats nice |
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| 17:58.49 | Protecode | :) |
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| 17:59.16 | gnube | I am using apache2, if that makes any difference. |
| 17:59.20 | aidehua | Aha! A solution! I'm going to use LVM to make an LVM-snapshot of my backups filesystem, mount *that* readonly, and give users access to their snapshots there. |
| 17:59.45 | aidehua | Overloading of the term "snapshot" is very confusing too :) |
| 17:59.53 | Protecode | blondie: do you like the ipv6 spec ? (im not exactly sure) |
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| 18:01.22 | Dark_Apostrophe | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:01.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | Can anyone help me out? |
| 18:02.07 | PingFloyd | Dark_Apostrophe: check your dbus configuration maybe |
| 18:02.08 | Protecode | blondie: issues could be directed commercials for instance |
| 18:02.17 | Dark_Apostrophe | PingFloyd: I would if I knew how to |
| 18:02.20 | Protecode | (i hate commersials:) |
| 18:02.27 | Protecode | cials |
| 18:03.01 | PingFloyd | Protecode: is there anyone that likes them? |
| 18:03.11 | Protecode | Guess not |
| 18:03.25 | Protecode | !pingfloyd/* |
| 18:03.59 | jair | hello guys, if I have a machine on the network, and I do not have dns on this network, how can I make the machine be it's own DNS? because what I am trying to accomplish is get nslookup work to the same ip of the server i am running on |
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| 18:04.27 | Protecode | jair: ipv4 or 6 ? |
| 18:04.28 | jair | for example have reverse and hosts and nslookup etc.. |
| 18:04.30 | Protecode | or both |
| 18:04.35 | jair | ipv4 |
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| 18:04.43 | jair | Protecode: ipv4 |
| 18:04.48 | Protecode | ok |
| 18:05.13 | jair | Protecode: I think I have ipv4 for sure |
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| 18:05.18 | Protecode | will it be caching only, master or slave ? |
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| 18:05.34 | jair | Protecode: master |
| 18:05.59 | jair | Protecode: to itself nobody else, unless I added to the list of hosts I believe |
| 18:06.30 | JB[away] | Hi |
| 18:06.34 | jair | Protecode: I already did this: 1- added the ip = fqdn to the /etc/hosts |
| 18:06.40 | PupenoR | Any recomendation of snmp monitoring software ? something graphical since I am just starting with snm. |
| 18:06.40 | JB[away] | anyone know this error message -> http://nopaste.info/9b6bfb4aa2.html ? |
| 18:06.41 | Protecode | jair If you can run a gtk+ app you can try this: http://85.214.17.244/gadmintools/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=14&Itemid=33 |
| 18:06.49 | Protecode | its good for ipv4 |
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| 18:07.30 | jeward_ | How do I determine which package provides libpng.a? |
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| 18:07.52 | jair | Protecode: but i do not want to install any dns |
| 18:07.54 | Protecode | jair: This is very fast if you can cmp-ile: http://mange.dynalias.org/linux/gbindadmin/devel/gbindadmin-0.1.6-2-beta6-JJ.tar.gz |
| 18:08.31 | Protecode | jair: " and I do not have dns on this network, how can I make the machine be it's own DNS?" ?? |
| 18:08.51 | sivik | how do i get mplayer to load when i try to play something in firefox rather than totem |
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| 18:10.00 | Protecode | jair: what do you mean then ? |
| 18:10.05 | yunhual | i got Sorry, the "ncftpbatch" program could not be found. error when i use ncftp with pgput -R -A . |
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| 18:11.03 | rahul | yunhual: why not use lftp with mirror? |
| 18:11.09 | DevilChaos | gqmpeg is better thanks its seeing my mp3s but i dont understand why xmms isnt seeing all my mp3's just some of them |
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| 18:11.55 | rahul | DevilChaos: xmms is designed to be a winamp clone, so it has to be flaky. |
| 18:12.11 | rahul | otherwise it would be substandard ;) |
| 18:12.32 | Darkclaw_AK | has anyone got PuTTY to SSL tunnel to a server? |
| 18:12.32 | CoffeeIV | I need to get a specific version of a package out of the debian mirrors or somewhere. The package is libapache2-mod-php4, and I need to install it on a server that hasn't been updated in a while, and using apt-get will upgrade the apache version which will break other things . . . how can I get a specific older package ? |
| 18:12.48 | cydork | !sdn |
| 18:12.48 | dpkg | i guess sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 18:12.51 | cydork | CoffeeIV: ^^ |
| 18:13.11 | DevilChaos | heh |
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| 18:13.23 | CoffeeIV | thanks cydork -- going there now |
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| 18:13.59 | JB[away] | anyone know this error message -> http://nopaste.info/9b6bfb4aa2.html ? |
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| 18:16.43 | JB[away] | !bts |
| 18:16.43 | dpkg | rumour has it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
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| 18:16.59 | JB[away] | !bts apt |
| 18:17.18 | Darkclaw_AK | has anyone used PuTTY for SSL Tunnelling? |
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| 18:18.08 | novata_peleona | Ola! |
| 18:18.50 | novata_peleona | estoy tratanto de instalar el webmin, pero no lo veo con mis sources. Sabeis cuales he de poner para bajarmelo e instalar? |
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| 18:19.02 | KillingFrost | hi |
| 18:19.32 | KillingFrost | i was wondering: in the S3 power state, is the cpu powered off? |
| 18:19.39 | mz_work | Darkclaw_AK, i use cygwin on win boxes for setting up ssh tunnels - never tried putty |
| 18:19.53 | sivik | how do it tell mozilla to use mplayer rather than totem? |
| 18:20.04 | mz_work | cygwin can also provide free ssh server for win |
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| 18:20.38 | Darkclaw_AK | mz_work I can run this on windows? |
| 18:20.49 | Darkclaw_AK | or unix |
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| 18:21.03 | pebblestone | Hi, I have a question. I have installed ubuntu server on vmware, and I'm going to migrate it to a VPS server. is there any simple solution? |
| 18:21.14 | mz_work | sivik, edit your preferences>content>File types>manage |
| 18:21.23 | mz_work | Darkclaw_AK, cygwin is for win |
| 18:21.26 | cydork | pebblestone: ask #ubuntu! |
| 18:21.42 | pebblestone | cydork: no response... |
| 18:21.47 | Darkclaw_AK | mz_work all I need is cygwin? I dont need to do anything on the unix side? |
| 18:21.58 | gnube | novata_peleona, There is a spanish language chat for debian, I think it is #debian-es but I am not sure |
| 18:22.07 | pebblestone | cydork: simply ignored me. hehe. |
| 18:22.08 | novata_peleona | sorry |
| 18:22.09 | yunhual | hi, how can i let ncftp auto reconnect after connection are broken when i upload lots of file |
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| 18:22.20 | yunhual | hi, how can i let ncftp auto reconnect after connection are broken when i upload lots of file |
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| 18:22.34 | marco_ | How do I detect my CPU temperature? |
| 18:22.55 | gnube | marco_, Touch your computer. |
| 18:22.59 | mz_work | Darkclaw_AK, well set up cygwin, then you have a shell - in the shell you can establish a tunnel something like: ssh -L 25:localhost:25 user@host |
| 18:23.07 | cydork | pebblestone: :) |
| 18:23.08 | gnube | marco_, just kidding. :) |
| 18:23.11 | marco_ | gnube, heh |
| 18:23.16 | gnube | bad joke |
| 18:23.19 | slept | hello, i am a bit lost with my usb pen, I get from mount : /dev/sdb1 on /media/disk type vfat (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev,noatime,uid=1000,utf8,shortname=lower) and : # touch /media/disk/file |
| 18:23.19 | slept | touch: cannot touch `/media/disk/file': Read-only file system, what am I missing ? |
| 18:23.21 | Darkclaw_AK | mz_work I establish a tunnel in cygwin? |
| 18:23.32 | gnube | marco_, try apt-cache search cpu |
| 18:23.35 | mz_work | Darkclaw_AK, from the shell yes |
| 18:23.52 | gnube | marco_, that should give you a list of tools that ought to monitor cpu usage, etc. |
| 18:24.07 | sivik | i'm going to kill totem, its stupid |
| 18:24.17 | mz_work | http://www.cygwin.com/ |
| 18:24.22 | mz_work | it's all clicky pointy install |
| 18:24.41 | novata_peleona | what sources do i need to find webmin?. Any help? |
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| 18:24.50 | sivik | mz_work: none of them say totem and i changed them all to mplayer and it still trys to open totem |
| 18:25.29 | mz_work | sivik, hmm maybe that is a gnome setting? |
| 18:25.33 | sivik | i'm not in gnome |
| 18:25.34 | gnube | sivik, I use VLC, it works pretty well with nearly all codeces |
| 18:25.48 | gnube | sivik, and I get embedded video in firefox |
| 18:26.03 | sivik | gnube, ok, i will try that, last time i had vlc, it was still opening totem |
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| 18:26.26 | gnube | sivik, Well you will have to modiify firefox to tell it which external tools to use |
| 18:26.34 | slept | gnube, if you hate totem remove it |
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| 18:26.44 | sivik | gnube: i just did that, and it still opens totem |
| 18:26.47 | slept | oh sorry wrong person |
| 18:26.52 | gnube | slept, eh? I never said anything about totem |
| 18:26.59 | cottima | I hope it is okay to ask an iptables question |
| 18:27.05 | gnube | slept, You must have been sleeping. |
| 18:27.25 | gnube | sivik, Did you quit / restart ff? |
| 18:27.27 | sivik | gnube: i'm not trying to change with program it opens when i download, but what plugin it uses to play it embedded |
| 18:27.32 | sivik | gnube: yes, twice |
| 18:27.32 | slept | no, but i should have been ... |
| 18:27.35 | mz_work | cottima, ask - if someone knows they will answer |
| 18:27.41 | gnube | sivik, Yeah, that is what I mean |
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| 18:27.52 | sivik | gnube, then i'm doing it wrong |
| 18:28.54 | sivik | i f-ing hate totem |
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| 18:29.11 | gnube | sivik, Hmm. check out this link: http://plugindoc.mozdev.org/faqs/firefox-linux.html |
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| 18:29.50 | sivik | but the thing is, i downloaded the plugin from the deb sources |
| 18:29.51 | cottima | I nmap a system itself (ports I need open) then from another (all ports closed). What is the difference between INPUT and OUTPUT in iptables, I am trying to access a service from another machine |
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| 18:30.30 | sivik | i uninstall totem but its still using it |
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| 18:30.49 | slept | sivik, dpkg -l |grep totem |
| 18:31.25 | sivik | slept: is there a command i can enter that will tell me what services are running, kinda like chkconfig for fc |
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| 18:31.42 | gnube | sivik, ps -aux |
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| 18:32.19 | sivik | gnube, and then i can grep (service) to see if its running right |
| 18:32.21 | pippijn | hi all |
| 18:32.26 | gnube | sivik, yep |
| 18:32.31 | pippijn | what happened to update-menus? |
| 18:32.32 | sivik | gnube, thanks |
| 18:32.38 | gnube | ps zux | grep totem |
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| 18:32.47 | Quibus | Hi all |
| 18:32.49 | Vme | hello |
| 18:32.50 | pippijn | hi |
| 18:32.52 | gnube | sorry: ps aux | grep totem |
| 18:33.06 | Protecode | Lo mev |
| 18:33.10 | pippijn | where is install-menu? apt-cache search install-menu or update-menus yielded nothing |
| 18:33.13 | sivik | now it won't open anything when i try to run |
| 18:33.13 | Vme | i just purchased a SATA controller card, do I ned to recompile my kernel or anything specific to get it working?? |
| 18:33.15 | Quibus | Question: how do I reinstall my config files? I accidentally said "keep my version" in stead of "use maintainers version" |
| 18:33.27 | Quibus | reinstalling the pakcage doesn't work. Removing that file and reinstalling doesn't work |
| 18:33.35 | gnube | cottima, iptables controls traffic both from and to your machine |
| 18:33.41 | Protecode | Vme: anyone wouldve tried it by now, what makes you special ;) |
| 18:33.51 | pippijn | Quibus: purge the package conf |
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| 18:34.05 | Quibus | how to purge the conf only? |
| 18:34.06 | gnube | cottima, So you may be able to go out to a machine based on IP tables, but that machine might not let you in based on IP tables. |
| 18:34.18 | sivik | gnube, thanks |
| 18:34.24 | gnube | sivik, sure thing. |
| 18:34.26 | gnube | np |
| 18:34.36 | Vme | i really haven't seen much on the web for information |
| 18:34.48 | pippijn | Quibus: apt-get remove --purge |
| 18:34.55 | cydork | pippijn: it's a part of menu, check this next time/msg dpkg search |
| 18:35.00 | Protecode | try try again as those bondz said |
| 18:35.01 | Quibus | that's purging the whole package |
| 18:35.06 | gnube | Quibus, Which package was it? You can often use dpkg-reconfigure to reconfigure a debian package |
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| 18:35.21 | Quibus | iceweasel, the bookmarks.html file |
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| 18:35.40 | Protecode | Vme: will there be information on it now ? =) |
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| 18:35.40 | gnube | Quibus, so try first: $ dpkg-reconfigure iceweasel |
| 18:35.51 | pippijn | cydork: dpkg is not responding |
| 18:35.54 | Quibus | gnube: it's not really a config file, it just got with the packgae |
| 18:36.08 | Quibus | I'll try though |
| 18:36.19 | gnube | Quibus, ah. Well you can tell iceweasel / firefox where that file is in preferences I believe |
| 18:36.21 | Quibus | nope, doesn't work |
| 18:36.30 | cydork | !test |
| 18:36.30 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 18:36.31 | Protecode | Vme: what card ? |
| 18:36.36 | Quibus | It's no where |
| 18:36.39 | gnube | Quibus, You have to be root to run dpkg-reconfigure |
| 18:36.41 | Quibus | I just want the one from the package back |
| 18:36.45 | Quibus | gnube: duh, I was |
| 18:37.03 | gnube | um, duh, how would I know? |
| 18:37.18 | sivik | gnube: now its working that i uninstall the totem plugin |
| 18:37.21 | gnube | Just trying to help. So go a little easy on the attitude |
| 18:37.32 | gnube | sivik, Excellent |
| 18:37.40 | Quibus | becaues you can assume I'm haveing a little bit of experience, but thanks for trying to help. I didn't mean to sound harsh |
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| 18:38.13 | Quibus | I guess the only thing I can do is purge the package completely and then isntall it :S |
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| 18:38.49 | Quibus | abrotman: any idea? |
| 18:39.13 | CoffeeIV | how can I find out exactly whcih version of a package is installed ? Some dpkg command perhaps ? |
| 18:39.14 | gnube | Hey. That is cheating to ask abrotman. |
| 18:39.20 | Quibus | hehe :-) |
| 18:39.26 | Protecode | As i see it, its either installed or _not_ installed. Why the purge and whatnot ? |
| 18:39.31 | Quibus | CoffeeIV: dpkg -l | grep name |
| 18:39.34 | gnube | CoffeeIV, apt-cache priority <package> |
| 18:39.38 | Quibus | or aptitude show package |
| 18:40.32 | Protecode | dpkg -l Name Or dpkg -l (for all) |
| 18:40.32 | dpkg | No packages found matching Name Or dpkg -l (for all) |
| 18:40.52 | Protecode | lol |
| 18:41.16 | gnube | CoffeeIV, Sorry - apt-cache policy <package> |
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| 18:41.18 | h3sp4wn | CoffeeIV: apt-cache policy command |
| 18:41.25 | CoffeeIV | thanks |
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| 18:43.09 | lunaphyte__ | what is bindfs (in the context of fuse)? |
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| 18:43.59 | thug | how do i enable 3d acceleration ? |
| 18:44.06 | blondie | on what card? |
| 18:44.54 | thug | lpsci ? |
| 18:45.00 | thug | what was that command ? |
| 18:45.07 | gnube | lunaphyte, My uneducated guess is it is DNS in User space file system mode |
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| 18:45.37 | lunaphyte__ | gnube: that was my first though too, but of what value would that be? |
| 18:46.34 | gnube | lunaphyte__ Isn't it because FUSE would not ordinarily have accesss to DNS? |
| 18:46.52 | jjazz | thug: Do you mean lspci? |
| 18:47.11 | thug | yeah so the card is 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
| 18:47.28 | Quibus | I wonder why iceweasel's installation script still complains about Configiuration files that already exist, while it's being installed cleanly |
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| 18:47.50 | gnube | Quibus, Did you use purge / remove? |
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| 18:47.58 | gnube | or just remove? |
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| 18:48.02 | Quibus | purge |
| 18:48.04 | Quibus | and then install |
| 18:48.13 | cottima | gnube sorry for the late response yes |
| 18:48.45 | cottima | I think this is the command I want, but not sure: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 22 -j ACCEPT |
| 18:49.07 | gnube | Quibus, Did you move a config file outside of normal package placement? |
| 18:49.09 | thug | blondie any idea ? |
| 18:49.24 | gnube | cottima, You are trying to get ssh to work? |
| 18:49.31 | blondie | dunno |
| 18:49.40 | Quibus | gnube: I'm cleanly installing it after purging, didn't touch a thing |
| 18:49.54 | gnube | Quibus, Weird. I'm stumped. |
| 18:50.24 | jjazz | Quibus: What file, specifically, is it complaining about? |
| 18:50.24 | cottima | gnube yes and smb, they are up and I nmap from the machine itself and it says open, but from another machine all ports closed |
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| 18:50.55 | gnube | cottima, Did you configure sshd? |
| 18:51.14 | gnube | cottima, Do you have a ssh daemon process running on the remote machien? |
| 18:51.21 | cottima | yes |
| 18:51.32 | Quibus | jjazz: several. iceweasel.js and bookmarks.html |
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| 18:51.40 | cottima | it is up and running |
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| 18:51.50 | gnube | cottima, And you are convinced this is a firewall problem? |
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| 18:52.21 | gnube | cottima, Can you shut down iptables to test your ssh connection? |
| 18:52.27 | cottima | gnube I think so, after using nmap on each machine |
| 18:52.37 | cottima | sorry how do I? |
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| 18:52.56 | gnube | cottima, Did you configure iptables on the remote machine? |
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| 18:53.23 | Quibus | and those files are only provided by iceweasel |
| 18:54.08 | cottima | gnube (i hope it is okay I am not using debian) the install did iptable |
| 18:54.16 | cottima | on the remote machine |
| 18:54.35 | jjazz | Quibus: Did you verify that they were removed with --purge? |
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| 18:55.00 | gnube | cottima, It is ok with me that you are not using debian, but people here tend to come here because they _are_ using debian |
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| 18:55.42 | Quibus | jjazz: yes, because the whole /etc/iceweasel dir is gone |
| 18:56.20 | jjazz | Quibus: Guess it's a bug in the installer. Might want to let them know. |
| 18:56.29 | Quibus | jjazz: I'll file a bug report |
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| 18:57.19 | cottima | gnube I just checked chkconfig and iptables is off in all runlevels, any clue? |
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| 18:57.48 | facenew | off topic, but i recommend a short movie "007 vs Man in Black": http://www.bytecool.com/ioiforum/read.php?1,6884,6884#msg-6884 |
| 18:57.57 | facenew | "007 vs Man in Black", a currently very popular short movie by some Chinese netizens (an English-subtitled version will soon appear at YouTube.com), mocks Kim Jong Il and his secret agent buying Hennessy XO wine from Chinese black market. |
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| 18:59.05 | jelly | facenew: uh, why are you spamming here, dude? |
| 18:59.18 | facenew | jelly: just for fun |
| 18:59.27 | blondie | facenew: well don't |
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| 19:01.16 | PupenoR | Any recomendation on SNMP monitoring software ? |
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| 19:01.33 | abrotman | Quibus: ? |
| 19:01.44 | jelly | facenew: it's not nice even if you're a regular, and my /lastlog doesn't show you saying anything ontopic (actually, anything at all) the whole day. Your spam might have more effect if you at least pretended to be topical. |
| 19:01.46 | Quibus | abrotman: never mind :-) |
| 19:01.55 | Quibus | abrotman: um, well, maybe |
| 19:01.55 | abrotman | Quibus: all fixed? |
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| 19:02.05 | Quibus | abrotman: I wondered how you can just reinstall config files of a package |
| 19:02.10 | Quibus | without purging it first |
| 19:02.11 | rutski | How come the netinstall ISO's aren't downloading? |
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| 19:02.24 | Quibus | so, someone removes a config file by accident. It doesn't come back with reinstall |
| 19:02.25 | rutski | and how come cdimage.debian.org is a CNAME for ftp.acc.umu.se ? |
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| 19:03.11 | cydork | Quibus: it does with confmiss. |
| 19:03.14 | section31 | what command can i issue to kill all processes named a particular name |
| 19:03.37 | Quibus | cydork: *now* you tell me :P |
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| 19:04.11 | cydork | Quibus: /msg dpkg confmiss |
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| 19:04.19 | rutski | So is it just me, or is this link non-functional? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:04.20 | Quibus | cydork: ah, it's a separate tool |
| 19:04.26 | cydork | Quibus: no it's not |
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| 19:04.40 | Quibus | it's not mentioned in the man page of aptitude |
| 19:04.41 | jelly | HEAD http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 19:04.49 | jelly | Content-Length: 117620736 |
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| 19:04.50 | Quibus | ah, it's a dpkg thing |
| 19:04.51 | rutski | jelly: bot command? |
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| 19:05.13 | jelly | rutski: no, a shell command. |
| 19:05.43 | rutski | heh |
| 19:05.48 | rutski | so I guess it's not really down then |
| 19:05.52 | rutski | I wonder why I can't get at it |
| 19:06.05 | Equin_1 | how do I set a user's homedir? |
| 19:06.38 | abrotman | !tell Quibus about confmiss |
| 19:06.42 | abrotman | jelly: happy ? |
| 19:06.48 | jelly | abrotman: late! |
| 19:06.55 | Quibus | thanks |
| 19:06.57 | abrotman | some of us hve real jobs! |
| 19:07.21 | jelly | some of us are at job even though it's 8pm :-| |
| 19:07.29 | Quibus | Is there a way to make aptitude search search similarly to apt-cache search? It's a bit strict |
| 19:07.32 | jelly | s/job/work/ |
| 19:07.50 | abrotman | i think it has options |
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| 19:07.56 | Ungy | jelly anyone ever tell you not to work late |
| 19:08.04 | danf_1979 | I'm having an issue with simlynks and my program. I have a directory structure like this: catalog/admin/categories/ linked to catalog/admin/content/categories. The problem is that I'm using relative constants for all directory paths in my program. Their content depends from which script I do call them (or directory), so their content varies. The problem is that when I look at the contents of this constants from the symlinked script execut |
| 19:08.05 | danf_1979 | ed, it seems the linked path is not considered and my constants have the values considering catalog/admin/categories, so their content is messed up (one ../ is missing). The thing is I wanted to know if there is a workaround for this, so to execute the script from the symlink and this thing to work (get ../../../ and not ../../) |
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| 19:08.29 | MatBoy | can I find somewhere if assp will be included into Debian ? |
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| 19:09.21 | jelly | Ungy: many times! I'm just stubborn |
| 19:09.22 | Quibus | abrotman: is there an aptitude equivalent of that apt-get line that dpkg told me about to instasll missing conffiles? |
| 19:09.24 | squisher | Hi everyone, how can it be possible that if I run 'ps' on my server, it never exists? CTRL-C, CTRL-Z don't do anything, and I don't know how to get the pid if I can't run ps... |
| 19:09.50 | Quibus | squisher: that sounds like trouble... no idea... |
| 19:09.57 | MatBoy | !assp |
| 19:10.04 | Ungy | jelly the more time you spend workign the less time you spend drinking beer and spreading your seed |
| 19:10.13 | squisher | Quibus: I know... :-) But pretty strange, huh? |
| 19:10.20 | Quibus | very |
| 19:10.26 | MatBoy | Ungy, I would be worried about the seed :P |
| 19:10.39 | MatBoy | once you will become 65 :P |
| 19:10.49 | jelly | danf_1979: quick and very dirty solution: use bind-mounts instead of symlinked directories? |
| 19:10.53 | Ungy | matBoy shit Heffner is talking abotu having a kid at 80 |
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| 19:11.23 | MatBoy | Ungy, with the seed of someone else... they are looking for a look-a-like right now ;) |
| 19:11.50 | Ungy | MatBoy: men can prodce seed til they die |
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| 19:12.09 | jelly | danf_1979: or make the script figure the real path in code then use the correct number of ../ |
| 19:12.12 | MatBoy | Ungy, I am asked to come over :P |
| 19:12.54 | squisher | Quibus: Ok, found the pid through /proc, and if I strace attach to it, nothing ever happens... |
| 19:13.37 | squisher | kill -9 is the toughest kill, right? |
| 19:13.46 | iwkse | hi..i installed debian etch with netinstall cd but my broadcom 4401 works really bad, i can get an ip but just a simple ping is dawn slow. Before i login i get some warning like: flow control is off for Tx and off for Rx. Driver is b44. anybody encountered the same problem? |
| 19:14.22 | rahul | squisher: it could really mess up your system, yes |
| 19:14.32 | rahul | squisher: or just leave all kinds of resources hanging |
| 19:14.38 | Quibus | squisher: I have no idea, really |
| 19:14.51 | squisher | rahul: it doesn't even do anything to the process in question |
| 19:15.28 | danf_1979 | So, there is not a special type of link that would be more "real" in this certain way? |
| 19:15.28 | Equin_1 | how do I upgrade my mysql4 to 5? I am using stable repositories |
| 19:15.29 | rahul | squisher: probably deadlocked in the kernel |
| 19:15.39 | jelly | danf_1979: a bind mount is real enough |
| 19:15.44 | rahul | squisher: becaue of another kill -9, unless it's really a kernel bug |
| 19:15.57 | squisher | rahul: seems to be (anytime I run ps it never finishes execution) |
| 19:16.02 | danf_1979 | I'll read about that jelly, thanks for your help ;) |
| 19:16.22 | rahul | squisher: kill -9 can really make a mess of the kernel |
| 19:16.26 | jelly | danf_1979: man mount is your friend |
| 19:16.31 | Rydekull | so, question, got a program here running on a host. Aslong as it's active everything is fine. As soon as network traffic to it drops, hence making it idle it gets killed after like 2 minutes. Any idea what might kill it like this? |
| 19:16.51 | danf_1979 | ok thanks, I was googling it, but better see the man |
| 19:16.57 | squisher | rahul: no the problem started before that. I ran ps, never got back to the promt. CTRL-C, CTRL-Z didn't do anything. Only then I tried kill -9 |
| 19:17.22 | rahul | squisher: I think it's time to reboot :\ |
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| 19:17.52 | jelly | squisher: any hung nfs mounts or other I/O problems? |
| 19:17.55 | squisher | rahul: Hehe, yeah, I agree. I do wonder what happened though, that's why I wanted to ask and see if anyone had come across a similar problem |
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| 19:18.18 | squisher | jelly: no nfs mounts, IO is working just fine (don't think ps requires much IO in any case) |
| 19:18.49 | rahul | squisher: yeah, cool |
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| 19:20.03 | jelly | squisher: I mean, some process might be doing an IO request to an unresponsive device. That could make it unkill-9able. |
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| 19:20.38 | PseudoRandom | hi, is it possible to make galeon use d4x rather than download directly? |
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| 19:21.02 | squisher | jelly: yes, I know what you mean, I've had that before. But when I run ps inside a local directory, I'd think all it accesses is /proc. But thanks for the pointer |
| 19:21.42 | jelly | squisher: try opening a new root shell if you can, look for funny stuff in dmesg. also you can try stracing ps (remember to put it in background &) to see which process does it stop at |
| 19:21.48 | reppel | are there chances to see compiz run on a Matrox G450? it is somewhat working but there are various little bugs that make impossible to use |
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| 19:22.47 | squisher | jelly: Let me check dmesg, but I tried strace right now and it didn't show anything at all, it just hung there |
| 19:23.20 | squisher | jelly: right on! BUG: unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address b7c00000 |
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| 19:24.29 | abrotman | Quibus: same option IIRC |
| 19:24.29 | squisher | jelly: ups, actually that was not my ps command, but another one. But it does show that my kernel is seriously messed up... |
| 19:25.13 | squisher | Quibus, rahul, jelly: thanks for the help, let me reboot and see how that goes... |
| 19:25.37 | Quibus | I hope his libc isn't fooked |
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| 19:26.18 | Trewas | reppel: since no-one has managed to make a decent driver (thinking of opengl) for matrox cards in previous 5+ years, I don't think it is very likely that it will get better soon |
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| 19:27.09 | PupenoR | I need a server to send an email to some people if it runs out of space. Any recomendation on what software to use ? |
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| 19:27.16 | nowhere | hi |
| 19:27.24 | Darkclaw_AK | which packages do I select in Cygwin setup for just using SSL tunneling? |
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| 19:27.49 | abrotman | Darkclaw_AK: did you ask .. #cygwin ? |
| 19:28.02 | Darkclaw_AK | oops no |
| 19:28.22 | jelly | Xig (AcceleratedX) has some support for Matrox, but it costs a pretty penny. http://www.xig.com/Pages/Summit/CardsChips/List-byMFGR/Matrox-INDEX.html |
| 19:28.25 | Darkclaw_AK | no one is probably there anyway |
| 19:28.37 | abrotman | 22 people there .. and it's not related to Debian |
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| 19:29.18 | Darkclaw_AK | well thats not necessarily true |
| 19:29.28 | Darkclaw_AK | it connects to SSL, SSHD, so it is related |
| 19:29.34 | jelly | Darkclaw_AK: yes, it is unrelated. |
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| 19:29.46 | Darkclaw_AK | I don't agree anyway |
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| 19:30.00 | jelly | Darkclaw_AK: I don't come with questions about running random free software on Cygwin here. |
| 19:30.12 | Darkclaw_AK | good, then dont! |
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| 19:30.44 | PupenoR | I could write a simple script, but if there's something more generic, I'd like to use it. |
| 19:30.50 | nowhere | are there any special hoops to jump through to get openvpn via the tap device on etch? It complains about my tap device not being there.. |
| 19:31.23 | Equin_1 | how can I get mysql5? My debian will only install 4 |
| 19:31.25 | Quibus | jjazz: see bug 407583 |
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| 19:31.37 | PupenoR | Equin_1: waiting for the next Debian. |
| 19:31.46 | Equin_1 | what? |
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| 19:32.15 | PupenoR | Equin_1: Etch or some other version of Debian will come with MySQL 5. |
| 19:32.19 | Quibus | see you later |
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| 19:32.23 | reppel | Trewas: i don't want binary drivers, are there chances to have 3d working in linux? |
| 19:32.24 | Quibus | and thanks folks |
| 19:32.29 | Equin_1 | can't I get mysql5 with sarge |
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| 19:32.39 | reppel | Trewas: i have a laptop with an intel board and there 3d works fine |
| 19:32.53 | rahul | heh |
| 19:33.03 | rahul | reppel: "fine" for an intel board |
| 19:33.19 | PupenoR | Equin_1: no, Sarge doesn't come with MySQL 5 and never will. You can use some backports if they exists or install by hand if you are really brave. |
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| 19:33.33 | reppel | rahul: "fine for an intel board" is better than nothing... |
| 19:33.41 | rahul | reppel: that's arguable :P |
| 19:33.46 | Equin_1 | pupenor, what if I upgrade to testing? |
| 19:34.20 | rahul | reppel: at least the good intel ones aren't as bad as the old s3 virges. those were actually SLOWER than the typical CPU doing software rendering. |
| 19:34.27 | PupenoR | Equin_1: that is no longer sarge, and testing is not stable, so it is not recommended. Testing will become Etch shortly and it will be stable. Maybe it'll come with MySQL 5, I don't know. |
| 19:34.43 | Trewas | reppel: matrox has never cared much about linux, and G[45]xx cards are already quite old so they won't interest many developers anymore (if they ever have) |
| 19:34.59 | abrotman | testing is etch .. etch will soon become stable |
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| 19:35.07 | abrotman | !bpo |
| 19:35.07 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 19:35.09 | jelly | compiz works almost acceptable on my i915GM |
| 19:35.14 | h3sp4wn | there is a pci-e x1 matrox card with fully free drivers |
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| 19:35.31 | reppel | h3sp4wn: its name? |
| 19:35.56 | h3sp4wn | reppel: G550 iirc |
| 19:36.29 | abrotman | kind of an old card .. but oh well |
| 19:36.57 | reppel | do Intel _agp_ cards exist? |
| 19:37.07 | Trewas | h3sp4wn: G4xx/G5xx have had an open driver for a long time, but the opengl support is quite bad and some other features are missing, like tv-out |
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| 19:37.20 | abrotman | reppel: onboard only |
| 19:37.20 | jelly | http://www.trustedreviews.com/graphics/review/2005/05/30/Matrox-Parhelia-APVe/p1 |
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| 19:37.29 | h3sp4wn | Trewas: True - however getting a pci-e card with open drivers is difficult |
| 19:37.33 | abrotman | Trewas: some of the more expensive ones have tv-out |
| 19:37.45 | Trewas | abrotman: yeah, but won't work in linux |
| 19:37.47 | freeemind | hello mates all over the world - does anybody know when etch will be stable? last I could find on google was dec 2006 |
| 19:37.52 | abrotman | Trewas: that's not what you said!!!!!!!!! |
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| 19:37.53 | h3sp4wn | Trewas: agp is obsolete |
| 19:38.07 | pickcoder | freeemind: it'll be done when it's ready |
| 19:38.13 | rahul | original agp was obsolete before it was created, heh |
| 19:38.20 | Trewas | h3sp4wn: so are G550 cards, so what's your point? :) |
| 19:38.20 | rahul | it was slower than pci could go |
| 19:38.21 | pickcoder | freeemind: review the bug site for RC bugs |
| 19:38.28 | pickcoder | freeemind: bugs.debian.org |
| 19:38.29 | n3kl_ | Hi. My Backups are currently running on a scrip that I wrote. Backups are pushed to a server through sshi and everything works decent enough. Is there a tool that someon can recoment for doing such things that would be a better implementation for several machines. |
| 19:38.30 | reppel | I don't think why people is obsessed with compiz, beryl & co when we don't even have a good 3d driver for a single board |
| 19:38.35 | h3sp4wn | Trewas: can fit into a non obsolete motherboard |
| 19:38.37 | freeemind | pickcoder, thank you |
| 19:38.51 | h3sp4wn | Trewas: and you can still buy them |
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| 19:38.56 | n3kl_ | I have a few more boxes coming in and I am not sure if this is the betst way to do things. |
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| 19:39.24 | jelly | reppel: 3d drivers for intel are decent and free. |
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| 19:39.39 | jjazz | n3kl_: There are various scripts centered around rsync that are available via Google. Generally, that's what I see people doing. |
| 19:39.59 | jjazz | n3kl_: The scripts are suggestions. You customize to your needs. |
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| 19:40.15 | Trewas | h3sp4wn: sure, and I guess they are still fine for some uses, but its technically about the same level as nividia tnt2 |
| 19:40.23 | jelly | reppel: you just have to buy a whole motherboard and cpu (or a laptop, same thing) |
| 19:40.44 | n3kl_ | jjazz: thanks |
| 19:40.48 | jjazz | np |
| 19:41.36 | n3kl_ | I have another question about backups. I know that I don't need to backup proc, but do if I were going to wipe a system, will the /proc directory get created automatically, or just its contents? Does the same go for the sys directory? |
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| 19:42.44 | n3kl_ | jjazz: what do you use for you backup system? did you write a scriptfor it? |
| 19:42.50 | jelly | n3kl: /proc doesn't really exist |
| 19:43.13 | n3kl_ | I currently mount an shfs dir and tar everything into it, using the find -mtime to determin changes. |
| 19:43.25 | n3kl_ | jelly: how about sys |
| 19:43.33 | jjazz | n3kl_: Take a look at http://www.mikerubel.org/computers/rsync_snapshots/ |
| 19:43.44 | jelly | n3kl: you only need to make sure the mount point (the empty directory) gets backed up as part of / ... /sys, same thing |
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| 19:43.56 | pickcoder | gah.. I can not get hylafax to send me a fax notification |
| 19:44.23 | n3kl_ | jelly: that was my question. Thanks |
| 19:44.32 | jjazz | pickcoder: What is this, 1972? Who still faxes? |
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| 19:45.52 | pickcoder | jjazz: unfortunately, many companies still rely on faxing |
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| 19:46.14 | Maximiliano | debian installer will install my adsl connetion to internet automaticlly??? |
| 19:46.36 | jelly | n3kl: Re: backup software for lots of machines, you might want to look into a centralized solution like bacula or amanda. |
| 19:46.41 | karmatronic | Maximiliano, probablty not |
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| 19:46.59 | jjazz | pickcoder: I bet they print things out to run through the fax machine. And on the other end, it gets scanned in and emailed to the recipient. |
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| 19:47.17 | Maximiliano | what i need to do... because when i install from a cable modem connections it detectc via dhcp??? |
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| 19:47.26 | jjazz | (at least, that's how I received faxes at my old job) |
| 19:47.49 | pickcoder | jjazz: we still get snail mail orders too |
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| 19:47.59 | Maximiliano | is external modem usb plugged to the pc |
| 19:48.39 | jjazz | pickcoder: Wow. What line of business is that? |
| 19:49.00 | pickcoder | this is wierd.. our standard canon fax machine is not reporting a TSID on the hylafax side |
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| 19:49.29 | pickcoder | either that or hylafax isn't recognizing it |
| 19:49.31 | abrotman | place your bets! |
| 19:49.35 | thelostbutler | hello folks i am trying to install cvs on couple of systems, is there a way to make apt-get not prompt the question where are your cvs repositories ? typcially i would like to execute ssh hostname "apt-ge install cvs |
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| 19:49.50 | pickcoder | jjazz: we are a distributor for electronics repair/assembly, industrial manufacturing, and field service |
| 19:50.07 | Maximiliano | kkk |
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| 19:50.35 | pickcoder | jjazz: I'm working on an imaging and queuing system currently to help streamline all our ordering sources |
| 19:50.39 | jjazz | pickcoder: Interesting. From what I can tell, that layer of industry still uses a ton of old tech. |
| 19:50.56 | pickcoder | queuing the tiff/pdfs for faxes is my current project |
| 19:51.26 | jjazz | pickcoder: You can buy printers from HP that have fax modules that will do that. |
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| 19:51.42 | pickcoder | jjazz: yeah.. many of the big gov contractors are using vertical market services now like Ariba |
| 19:51.58 | pickcoder | jjazz: however, there are still small shops that don't have Internet service |
| 19:51.59 | jjazz | Makes sense |
| 19:52.28 | jjazz | pickcoder: No internet? That's just... cruel. |
| 19:52.35 | pickcoder | we sell to the public so it's a B2B and B2C world for us |
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| 19:52.40 | pickcoder | not a fun thing to organize |
| 19:52.50 | jjazz | I can see that. |
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| 19:53.06 | pickcoder | but it helps keep me employed |
| 19:53.08 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 19:53.34 | jjazz | pickcoder: Yes, inefficiencies are great because they keep employment high. |
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| 19:53.57 | rahul | high employees are great because they keep inefficiencies |
| 19:54.01 | pickcoder | jjazz: well actually, we're one of the most advanced and most efficient companies in the area |
| 19:54.10 | pickcoder | and also in our market |
| 19:54.21 | jjazz | pickcoder: It sounds like your customers are not, though. |
| 19:54.30 | pickcoder | nope, but we still manage |
| 19:54.46 | pickcoder | over the past 2 years, our mail invoicing has dropped significantly |
| 19:54.51 | pickcoder | so times are changing everywhere |
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| 19:55.09 | jelly | thelostbutler: you want to mess with debconf, probably set it not to ask you questions of medium priority, but only higher ones. |
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| 19:55.13 | jjazz | Cool. |
| 19:55.25 | rahul | jjazz: let me put it this way. an investment manager that does two trades a month and looks at stock prices once a day doesn't really need anything more than a phone to call his broker. |
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| 19:55.31 | pickcoder | people are starting to prefer e-mailed PDFs for their invoices.. so they can reprint them and archive them |
| 19:55.34 | tonyb2006 | hi |
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| 19:56.18 | jjazz | pickcoder: Invoices as special documents should be a thing of the past. Send an email with terms and be done with it. |
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| 19:56.19 | rahul | jjazz: he could be managing a billion dollars, but maybe he spends his time talking to CEOs and trying to see if their company is well-run instead of obsessive-compulsively watching stock prices |
| 19:56.37 | pickcoder | jjazz: the goverment and their contractors say otherwise |
| 19:56.56 | pickcoder | no invoice.. no payment. Even if one small detail doesn't match their electronic PO, they won't pay. |
| 19:57.19 | pickcoder | most of that business has gone to vertial markets with auto-payment services |
| 19:57.23 | g00se | Is there any reason to think that getting a process' exit value inside a script is problematic when that script's run by cron? |
| 19:57.23 | jjazz | rahul: Anybody who lives on information and doesn't have a net connection is doing it wrong. |
| 19:57.23 | pickcoder | vertical |
| 19:57.31 | jjazz | pickcoder: Yeah, government changes slow. |
| 19:57.41 | thelostbutler | jelly: is there no way to do it at command line level ? i didn't quite figure out how to use the -o, --option of apt-get |
| 19:57.45 | pickcoder | GE is by far, the worst of them all |
| 19:57.48 | rahul | jjazz: you can't get information from a net connection to do with how a company is run |
| 19:57.50 | jjazz | rahul: Even if that connection is just a Bloomberg term, you need it. |
| 19:58.08 | rahul | jjazz: bloomberg won't tell you anything relevant to this guy's needs |
| 19:58.13 | pickcoder | they want the longest terms and still demand a discount |
| 19:58.14 | jjazz | rahul: Yes, but you can efficiently communicate with an awful lot of people who can give you that info. |
| 19:58.16 | jelly | thelostbutler: not with apt, you'll need to run some commands before running apt |
| 19:58.40 | rahul | jjazz: you don't need lots of info from different people. you need to see it for yourself before throwing $100MM at it. |
| 19:58.59 | jjazz | rahul: People who manage that level of money tend to be information and connection junkies. |
| 19:59.05 | rahul | jjazz: or not. |
| 19:59.21 | rahul | jjazz: they are information junkies, but not for information a computer will have. |
| 19:59.34 | rahul | they want to see the factory floor to find out if employees are happy. |
| 19:59.54 | jjazz | rahul: If the person you describe exists, I don't know him. The people I know who manage large amounts of money are constantly reading the news and communicating with people electronically. |
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| 20:00.07 | rahul | jjazz: these people don't want you to see them |
| 20:00.41 | rahul | jjazz: they have too much money for it to be safe professionally for you to know what they do |
| 20:00.48 | jjazz | rahul: Pointing to offline information these mythical investors want doesn't really explain why they don't also want the information available online. |
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| 20:01.06 | rahul | jjazz: that info is largely irrelevant to what they are trying to accomplish |
| 20:01.13 | jelly | thelostbutler: something like this: debconf-get-selections |grep debconf/priority > saved-priority ; echo 'debconf debconf/priority select high' | debconf-set-selections; apt-get install cvs (or whatever); cat saved-priority | debconf-set-selections |
| 20:01.18 | jjazz | rahul: I've been involved in multi-billion dollar investments. These mythical people aren't complete mysteries to me. |
| 20:01.50 | rahul | jjazz: if they wanted to do it that way, they'd hire dozens of traders to watch each niche carefully. each of those traders wouldn't be trading a billion dollars, tho. |
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| 20:02.31 | jelly | thelostbutler: with debconf/priority set to "high", debconf will not ask you questions with medium and low priority. Your cvs path question is of medium priority so it should be hidden. |
| 20:02.38 | fooz | rahul luhar |
| 20:02.44 | rahul | zoof fooz |
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| 20:03.20 | rahul | zzajj? |
| 20:03.29 | rahul | doesn't look the same as jjazz to me :P |
| 20:03.31 | fooz | maybe to lysdexics |
| 20:03.41 | rahul | dicklustics |
| 20:03.47 | fooz | that's you |
| 20:03.49 | rahul | hhe |
| 20:04.01 | rahul | only for you, zoof |
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| 20:04.08 | thug | how do i enable 3d acceleration for VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82915G/GV/910GL Express Chipset Family Graphics Controller (rev 04) |
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| 20:04.14 | fooz | i know, you can't resist me |
| 20:05.00 | Yggdrasil | hello, can somone help me i havea hard drive with windows on the first partition and debian on the hda5 part with a swap drive on it , i would like to make a clone of the drive to another drive. whats the est way? |
| 20:05.11 | thelostbutler | jelly: thanks |
| 20:05.24 | rahul | Yggdrasil: dd |
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| 20:05.41 | Yggdrasil | rahul will it be able to do the ntfs partition as well ? |
| 20:05.47 | fooz | hehe |
| 20:05.47 | rahul | sure |
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| 20:05.56 | fooz | Yggdrasil, dd just copies every bit from one drive to the other |
| 20:05.56 | Yggdrasil | oh,, interesting can you tell me the cmd ? |
| 20:05.58 | rahul | dd doesn't know about ntfs or ext or whatever |
| 20:05.59 | PcDark | Why can't I download and edit /usr/lib/sftp-server |
| 20:06.03 | PcDark | I'm root |
| 20:06.04 | jelly | thelostbutler: another thing you could do is pre-seed the answers for cvs |
| 20:06.06 | PcDark | over SFTP |
| 20:06.14 | rahul | Yggdrasil: man dd, look at if and of. make them the drives in question. |
| 20:06.18 | Yggdrasil | rahul does it do the whole drive or patition |
| 20:06.25 | rahul | Yggdrasil: whichever you choose |
| 20:06.33 | Yggdrasil | ok thanks |
| 20:06.38 | rahul | Yggdrasil: it does whatever the if is and whatever the of is |
| 20:06.39 | PcDark | Would anyone know? |
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| 20:06.48 | rutski | When I book the netinstall CD on my new computer I get a "[!!] Detect and mount CD-ROM" screen which says "No common CD-ROM drive was detected. You may need to load additional CD-ROM drivers form a driver floppy/ If you have such a floppy available now, put it in the dirve, and continue. Otherwise, you will be given the option to manually select CD-ROM modules" |
| 20:07.05 | Yggdrasil | rahul would i have to do it from a boot disk ? |
| 20:07.07 | PcDark | It gives me a "Download failed" error, nano /usr/bin/sftp-server returns an empty file |
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| 20:07.12 | Yggdrasil | or just off the drive |
| 20:07.12 | fooz | rutski, it may not support your sata controller or something |
| 20:07.19 | rahul | Yggdrasil: you'd probably want the partitions to not be mounted |
| 20:07.22 | rutski | When I go to the "manually select CD-ROM modules" section I have absolutely no idea which to choose |
| 20:07.23 | Seb | heya folks |
| 20:07.25 | PcDark | cp /usr/bin/sftp-server /var/www won't move it either, says file doesn't exist |
| 20:07.26 | Yggdrasil | ok |
| 20:07.41 | Seb | what package do I dpkg-reconfigure to get to the "what users are allowed to run the x server' question ? |
| 20:07.42 | rahul | Yggdrasil: whichever way you accomplish that is your choice |
| 20:07.43 | rutski | fooz: so I'm screwed? |
| 20:07.44 | jelly | thelostbutler: that is, install and answer the questions for cvs on one machine. Then save them somewhere with, for example debconf-get-selections | grep ^cvs > some-file and feed that file to debconf-set-selections on the yet-uninstalled machines |
| 20:07.49 | jjazz | PcDark: Try it with rsync and turn on verbose (-vv) |
| 20:07.50 | rahul | Yggdrasil: actually, they could be mounted read-only |
| 20:08.11 | PcDark | umm |
| 20:08.14 | PcDark | I don't know how to use rsync |
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| 20:08.17 | PcDark | what would I type |
| 20:08.17 | jjazz | PcDark: man rsync |
| 20:08.20 | fooz | rutski, I didn't say that. I don't know much about what installer kernels are available.. you'd have to ask someone else. the "manually select CD-ROM modules" is for computers from 1994, though. it won't help you |
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| 20:08.32 | Protecode | nice |
| 20:08.54 | rutski | fooz: ahh, ok; well that's good to know, now I'll stop wasting my time with it :-) |
| 20:08.56 | Seb | anyone, on my 'what package asks the question about what users can run the x server' ? |
| 20:09.00 | rahul | yeah, 1994. that's when zoof was nice and limber. |
| 20:09.15 | rutski | hmm, so who do I ask? |
| 20:09.24 | rahul | Seb: the one that contains the X wrapper... /usr/bin/X |
| 20:09.28 | jelly | thelostbutler: If you decide to mess with debconf/priority, remember to put it back like it was before or you might miss some potentially interesting questions from other packages when you install them |
| 20:09.39 | thug | no one know how to enable 3d acceleration ? |
| 20:09.44 | Seb | rahul: so you are back for real huh ? :) |
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| 20:09.49 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:09.58 | fooz | sweet talking me like he used to, even |
| 20:09.58 | rahul | no, I am back for artifical, mofos. |
| 20:10.02 | rahul | heh |
| 20:10.14 | jelly | thug: which debian release? |
| 20:10.16 | rutski | I guess the question is: "The default installer kernel on the netinstall CD doesn't support my CD-ROM drive, how can I find one that does?" |
| 20:10.23 | Seb | rahul: thanks man, that was it |
| 20:10.34 | Seb | i mean, more than the old one heh |
| 20:10.38 | thug | jelly etch rc1 |
| 20:10.44 | rahul | progress, and all |
| 20:10.48 | rahul | !penixstrike zoof |
| 20:10.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking zoof to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
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| 20:11.35 | fooz | omg, what if that happened IRL? that would be totally freaky and weird. wonder if fundies would say it's the 2nd coming |
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| 20:11.51 | rahul | the second coming of the penix. |
| 20:11.59 | rahul | *ahem* ;) |
| 20:12.13 | fooz | yes, the pun was intended |
| 20:12.19 | rahul | duh |
| 20:12.27 | rahul | that's the whole point of a penix. |
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| 20:12.46 | jelly | thug: do you have libgl1-mesa-dri and xserver-xorg-video-i810 installed? |
| 20:12.47 | rutski | fooz: My BIOS identifies the drive as TSSTcorp DVD+/0RW TS-H653A, does that help? |
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| 20:13.10 | fooz | it's a samsung toshiba drive |
| 20:13.11 | rahul | rutski: all you need to know is if it's ATAPI or SCSI |
| 20:13.19 | fooz | rutski, it's not the drive that's not supported - it's how it's attached |
| 20:13.21 | blondie | aren't CD drivers "universal"? |
| 20:13.25 | rahul | if it's neither, you're on crack. |
| 20:13.29 | pickcoder | blondie: not always |
| 20:13.31 | fooz | rutski, your SATA controller, or your SCSI controller, or your IDE controller |
| 20:13.34 | rutski | fooz: SATA, so I suppose that's ATAPI, right? |
| 20:13.45 | fooz | rutski, you need an installer with a driver for your sata |
| 20:13.46 | rahul | oh, sata. newfangled craziness. |
| 20:13.52 | pickcoder | rutski: no |
| 20:13.57 | pickcoder | ATAPI is PATA |
| 20:13.59 | rutski | fooz: ah, so it's the controller, not the drive; I see what you mean |
| 20:14.01 | jelly | blondie: of course not, don't be ridiculous |
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| 20:14.09 | blondie | how rude |
| 20:14.12 | fooz | rutski, yeh. once the controller works, the drive will |
| 20:14.26 | thug | jelly i get them installed now |
| 20:14.43 | Azar | hello honorables |
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| 20:14.47 | pickcoder | ATAPI == another tragic attempt at peripheral interfacing |
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| 20:15.08 | fooz | lollerskates |
| 20:15.19 | rahul | haha |
| 20:15.24 | rahul | been a while since I heard that one |
| 20:15.27 | thug | jelly theye were both already installed |
| 20:15.29 | jelly | pickcoder: hey, pushing those scsi command through a cheapo channel never meant for them turned out a-ok |
| 20:15.30 | DimmuR | can some advice mi light dns server and dns proxy for debian? (network about 100 computers) |
| 20:15.38 | rutski | fooz: hmm, I can't seem to find controller info in the BIOS |
| 20:15.41 | rutski | am I just not looking hard enough? |
| 20:15.51 | fooz | rutski, the bios won't say. look at the sata chip |
| 20:15.54 | rahul | rutski: look at the mobo manual |
| 20:15.57 | fooz | or your southbridge |
| 20:16.12 | jelly | thug: good. are you using the i810 driver for X? |
| 20:16.15 | rahul | I'll bridge you from the south |
| 20:16.21 | fooz | it's probably a RAID controller |
| 20:16.26 | rahul | DimmuR: dnsmasq? |
| 20:16.45 | DimmuR | rahul, thanks i check it |
| 20:16.55 | fooz | man i need more disk space. warez is filling it all up |
| 20:17.08 | rahul | DimmuR: not sure if it's exactly waht you want... |
| 20:17.08 | blondie | DELETE |
| 20:17.21 | rahul | why would you want warez? |
| 20:17.26 | fooz | i collect it |
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| 20:17.37 | rahul | I collect boogers. |
| 20:17.37 | DimmuR | rahul, dns topic's are new for me and only thing i know is that it must me something else than bind :) |
| 20:17.44 | fooz | i know :x |
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| 20:17.44 | jelly | thug: actually, how do you know that OpenGL accel. isn't already working? |
| 20:17.46 | rahul | DimmuR: why must? |
| 20:17.48 | rahul | heh |
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| 20:18.05 | thug | jelly no clue ;) |
| 20:18.09 | thug | Section "DRI" |
| 20:18.09 | thug | Mode0666 |
| 20:18.09 | thug | EndSection |
| 20:18.12 | thug | its this here ? |
| 20:18.20 | DimmuR | rahul, it's to big and i heard too much bad about it |
| 20:18.31 | rahul | I heard my ass is hot |
| 20:18.33 | blondie | kittens > puppies |
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| 20:19.03 | jelly | thug: glxinfo |egrep 'direct|renderer' |
| 20:19.28 | thug | libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b |
| 20:19.28 | thug | direct rendering: Yes |
| 20:19.28 | thug | OpenGL renderer string: Mesa DRI Intel(R) 915G 20050225 |
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| 20:19.32 | jelly | blondie: 4 puppies > 2 kittens! |
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| 20:19.54 | rahul | 1 zoof > 15 jellys |
| 20:19.58 | thug | ? |
| 20:20.01 | fooz | ! |
| 20:20.03 | jelly | thug: I guess it's already working. |
| 20:20.04 | rahul | ; |
| 20:20.51 | thug | jelly what about libGL warning: 3D driver claims to not support visual 0x5b |
| 20:20.51 | thug | ? |
| 20:20.53 | blondie | jelly: 1 kitten = 10 puppies! |
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| 20:20.59 | napoleao_ | anyone can recomend a good tape backup software to use with Debian' |
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| 20:21.01 | jelly | blondie: no way |
| 20:21.01 | napoleao_ | ? |
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| 20:21.12 | blondie | :P |
| 20:21.13 | rahul | thug: xdpyinfo | grep 0x5b and see what visual that is. do you care about it? |
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| 20:21.25 | Darkclaw_AK | I am trying to use PuTTy for ssl tunelling and I get this error: Did not receive identification string |
| 20:21.26 | fooz | my computar is so slow on teh intarnets. keeps getting stuck in the tubes |
| 20:21.28 | rahul | thug: maybe it's saying it doesn't support 8-bit color |
| 20:21.35 | fooz | thug, run glxgears and see if the gears move fast or slow |
| 20:21.39 | rahul | I'll stick something in your tubes |
| 20:21.43 | thug | visual id: 0x5b |
| 20:21.45 | fooz | rahul, you always do |
| 20:21.55 | rahul | glxgears moves fast with software rendering these days |
| 20:21.58 | beered | whats the latest on etch? Is it released as 'stable' yet? |
| 20:22.02 | fooz | rahul, it doesn't here |
| 20:22.04 | fooz | hehe |
| 20:22.06 | PcDark | how do i make my sftp show hidden files |
| 20:22.12 | thug | fooz not that fast not that slow :) |
| 20:22.22 | jelly | thug: means that 3D driver doesn't work in all colour depth modes that 2D driver supports. I have it too. |
| 20:22.23 | fooz | thug, install openarena and play some quake |
| 20:22.28 | rahul | thug: that's to be expected for an intel "accelerator" |
| 20:22.53 | PcDark | how do i make my SFTP show hidden files (.htaccess, Ect) |
| 20:23.01 | rahul | wow, glxgears DOES run slowly in software rendering still |
| 20:23.09 | fooz | rahul, dork |
| 20:23.10 | rahul | PcDark: do you know the flags to ls? |
| 20:23.16 | fooz | thug, run LIBGL_ALWAYS_INDIRECT=1 glxgears |
| 20:23.17 | rahul | zoof, spork |
| 20:23.19 | fooz | thug, and see if it's slower |
| 20:23.19 | PcDark | no :P |
| 20:23.22 | jelly | thug: try running glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 20:23.25 | PcDark | im using coreFTp |
| 20:23.38 | rahul | wtf is that? |
| 20:23.42 | PcDark | a sftp client |
| 20:23.50 | rahul | PcDark: as opposed to sftp? |
| 20:23.53 | PcDark | whats a better 1 |
| 20:23.58 | thug | jelly same i think its fast enough |
| 20:24.05 | PcDark | It's a SFTP & FTP client |
| 20:24.05 | jelly | thug: how much fps? |
| 20:24.08 | PcDark | you can choose |
| 20:24.12 | rahul | PcDark: wow. |
| 20:24.18 | thug | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.18 | thug | 14546 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2909.167 FPS |
| 20:24.18 | thug | 13893 frames in 5.0 seconds = 2778.588 FPS |
| 20:24.23 | fooz | that's accelerated |
| 20:24.28 | jelly | yup |
| 20:24.31 | rahul | maybe you can get zoof into bed if you tell him the details. |
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| 20:24.45 | PcDark | ew |
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| 20:24.51 | thug | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:24.56 | PcDark | you are sick |
| 20:24.59 | thug | rahul :) |
| 20:25.07 | fooz | wtf |
| 20:25.26 | eeyore- | only 2484 FPS on this laptop with Xgl running |
| 20:25.27 | rahul | I'm getting 40+ fps from the 'benchmark' but less than one on the screen |
| 20:25.29 | fooz | thug, oh well, who cares |
| 20:25.36 | thug | :) |
| 20:25.40 | thug | its that ok ? |
| 20:25.40 | xored | where to i set the port, where postfix ( smtp ) is listening on ? can i set several ports ? |
| 20:25.41 | rahul | zoof, I care about you! |
| 20:25.56 | rahul | PcDark: yeah, zoof does have a bunch of diseases. |
| 20:26.05 | rahul | I blame ylgu. |
| 20:26.05 | jelly | I only get 700fps w/ i915GM , so I lose the pissing contest. |
| 20:26.08 | fooz | uh yeah, wtf? in indirect rendering it gets 488 fps |
| 20:26.18 | fooz | that's kinda retarded. a little bit |
| 20:26.20 | eeyore- | xored: why? |
| 20:26.31 | rahul | retarded wicked. |
| 20:26.42 | rahul | or rather retahded wicked. |
| 20:27.16 | thug | jelly its ok what i have ? |
| 20:27.24 | thug | jelly do i need to do anything else ? |
| 20:27.40 | jelly | thug: also, even though other apps (= rss-glx and xscreensaver-gl screensavers) work, I didn't get googleearth to work. |
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| 20:28.02 | thug | jelly googleearth works here |
| 20:28.06 | xored | eeyore-: i guess iam sitting between a firewall here, closing the smtp port...go a linux box running, but customers will still need the std port...but i want to add a other one..possible ? |
| 20:28.12 | thug | a bit slow i think but works |
| 20:28.48 | jelly | thug: well, for me, it's not slow at all in windows, but unusable in Linux. |
| 20:29.11 | thug | jelly i see |
| 20:29.21 | thug | jelly well i sitll cannot play doom3 ;) |
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| 20:30.24 | jelly | thug: don't know much about games, I'm still on StarCraft... |
| 20:30.51 | eeyore- | xored: you can, but it (nonstandard) will not be usable by anyone but you (or by whomever is willing to configure it, say, for some sort of virtual transport) |
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| 20:31.56 | beered | whats the latest on etch? Is it released as 'stable' yet? |
| 20:32.04 | xored | eeyore-: i mean , thats what i want. All my customer can still use the 25er port..but i will use an other port..which is not closed from this student-connection. |
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| 20:32.39 | jelly | beered: I'm positive it'll be in the topic when it releases |
| 20:32.40 | ragnul | beered: use the frigging web site. |
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| 20:33.02 | beered | jelly: oh, I didn't even see the subj! duh. |
| 20:33.32 | jelly | probably like DING DONG ETCH IS RELEASED with sound effects |
| 20:33.51 | rahul | I'll ding your dong |
| 20:34.25 | capiira | hmmm anyone know how to let partitions appears on desktop & computer:/// as a mounted drive? |
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| 20:35.03 | rahul | capiira: what does that mean? |
| 20:35.07 | darth_tux71 | ok funny question anyne have some repos from sarge i can use on a buds puter? its a little borked atm |
| 20:35.11 | rahul | capiira: mount it... |
| 20:35.17 | rahul | capiira: man 5 fstab, I guess |
| 20:35.27 | capiira | i mounted it |
| 20:35.31 | rahul | capiira: use it |
| 20:35.34 | capiira | to a folder |
| 20:35.35 | darth_tux71 | there are 3 repos there, and something looks wrong to me but its been a while |
| 20:35.36 | rahul | cd to where you mounted it |
| 20:35.39 | rahul | "folder"? |
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| 20:35.46 | capiira | yeah |
| 20:35.54 | capiira | hdb hdc |
| 20:35.56 | rahul | what is this "folder" you speak of? |
| 20:36.08 | capiira | a custom folder on root |
| 20:36.14 | blondie | !folder |
| 20:36.14 | dpkg | folder is a directory damn it! near My Computer and Network Neighborhood... or the things you put in a filing cabinet. IMAP protocol's mailboxes. |
| 20:36.20 | rahul | what the hell? |
| 20:36.22 | capiira | lol |
| 20:36.24 | PupenoR | What would be a good place to drop small scripts used in cron and other things like that ? I want to back them up, but I don't want to backup binaries or libraries. |
| 20:36.47 | rahul | PupenoR: /root/bin ? |
| 20:36.55 | PupenoR | I am thinking about /usr/local/bin/ and back up /usr/local/ |
| 20:37.14 | thug | jelly do you play any games in linux ? |
| 20:37.27 | PupenoR | rahul: that's a posibility. I don't feel confortable with system things depending on files in the home of users. |
| 20:37.36 | PupenoR | rahul: even when it's root. |
| 20:37.45 | capiira | or should i mount it to /mnt/hdb to let a shiny icon appear on the desktop? |
| 20:38.12 | jelly | PupenoR: if there's no need (or use) for users to run them, you can put them in /usr/local/sbin |
| 20:38.14 | rahul | PupenoR: root is the system |
| 20:38.22 | blondie | root isn't a user! |
| 20:39.01 | jelly | root is an organ. of a vegetable. |
| 20:39.06 | rutski | fooz: I opened up the computer but I don't see anything on the mobo saying which disk controller chip it uses |
| 20:39.14 | rahul | I'll show you an organ |
| 20:39.24 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have etch installed on my desktop with both gnome and kde env. i run gnome. i have the prefered application set to iceweasel/firefox as my browser. (desktop -> preferences -> prefered appliactiions). but when i click a link in icedove it launches konquerer. a pointer to where i should fix this would be appreciated |
| 20:39.30 | blondie | rahul: how rude. |
| 20:39.31 | rahul | rutski: look at the manual |
| 20:39.39 | rahul | I'll show you rude! |
| 20:39.56 | rutski | rahul: I couldn't find anything resembling a hardware spec manual :-/ |
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| 20:40.02 | blondie | oh! |
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| 20:40.08 | rutski | maybe online |
| 20:40.10 | rahul | rutski: google for the model number |
| 20:40.11 | jelly | rahul: sexual advances are not topical. If you must, use private /msg! |
| 20:40.11 | PcDark | What's the command to move a folder |
| 20:40.14 | rutski | but I don't know which mobo it uses |
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| 20:40.24 | rahul | I'm an exhibitionist :P |
| 20:40.28 | jelly | ding my dong indeed, pfft |
| 20:40.28 | PcDark | or to change the owner of the folder and all files under it |
| 20:40.28 | blondie | o.O |
| 20:40.35 | rahul | PcDark: or? |
| 20:40.37 | PcDark | how do you change the owner of the folder and ALL files under it |
| 20:40.38 | blondie | PcDark: mv, chmod |
| 20:40.43 | blondie | PcDark: man chmod |
| 20:40.46 | rahul | "what is this folder you speak of" |
| 20:40.47 | blondie | erm |
| 20:40.48 | blondie | no |
| 20:40.50 | blondie | PcDark: man chown. |
| 20:41.06 | blondie | (if you have a mean directory) |
| 20:41.07 | blondie | wtf |
| 20:41.08 | jelly | rahul: folder is what you put files in |
| 20:41.12 | blondie | (if you mean a directory) |
| 20:41.24 | rahul | my files aren't in folders. they're in inodes. |
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| 20:41.44 | PcDark | there is no switch to completely change ownership of all the files |
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| 20:41.53 | blondie | PcDark: read it again! |
| 20:41.55 | rahul | PcDark: "all" the what files? |
| 20:42.29 | RvGaTe | How would i change startup options on a program displayed in the application menu? and how could i make sure it will affect every user |
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| 20:42.43 | PcDark | is the -R switch correct? |
| 20:42.49 | jelly | rahul: they're NOT in inodes either, they're all funnily magnetized pieces of metal. Wrong level of abstraction. |
| 20:42.56 | PcDark | chown -R pcdark /home/pcdark/Desktop/folder |
| 20:42.59 | blondie | PcDark: yes. |
| 20:43.07 | Mooi | Hello, how would I run Beryl with KDE? if i do `beryl-manager`, i just get windows without borders |
| 20:43.12 | rahul | jelly: I don't have software that abstracts to "folders" |
| 20:43.39 | jelly | rahul: folder is a synonym to directory, deal with it |
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| 20:43.50 | rahul | jelly: my files can be linked to multiple directories, so the abstraction breaks |
| 20:43.56 | rahul | deal with it, beyotch! |
| 20:44.06 | jelly | rahul: piss off! :-) |
| 20:45.02 | Mooi | nvm |
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| 20:47.12 | tabris|away | rahul: what if you consider that the folders are nothing but indexes to other parts of your data warehouse? |
| 20:47.12 | rahul | by the ancient spirits' rites / the old ghosts proclaim their rights / still they're lost in time |
| 20:47.13 | tabris|away | rahul: then it doesn't break as badly... after all technically we have folders/directories filled with dentries, which point to inodes, which point to blocks of data on disc. |
| 20:47.13 | rahul | tabris|away: but they're not. they're pieces of heavy paper folded over that contain other pieces of paper inside of them |
| 20:47.13 | tabris|away | rahul: even if they're heavy peieces of paper that contain directions to find video tapes elsewhere in the library? |
| 20:47.24 | rahul | that would be a playlist file :) |
| 20:47.47 | rahul | but that "paper" could still physically be in multiple physical folders |
| 20:47.51 | tabris|away | rahul: you're thinking small office. |
| 20:47.58 | tabris|away | rahul: I'm thinking big library/archive/warehouse. |
| 20:48.09 | rahul | a card catalog is not considered a folder. |
| 20:48.46 | tabris|away | think bigger warehouse that doesn't have the benefits of dewey decimal or other sorting methods. |
| 20:48.47 | rahul | which is why directory is a better word. it implies that you have a list of names that associate to things elsewhere. |
| 20:49.54 | fooz | rahul, symbol package! |
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| 20:50.13 | rahul | shadowing-import-from |
| 20:50.16 | tabris|away | rahul: no doubt that directory is a better word, but the abstraction doesn't have to break just b/c you say it does. |
| 20:50.21 | fooz | :your-mom |
| 20:50.27 | rahul | tabris|away: no, it has to break because it does. |
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| 20:50.46 | rahul | you're right. the fact that I say it doesn't make it happen. it happened long before :) |
| 20:50.52 | rahul | before I was born, even |
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| 20:51.50 | tabris|away | folders with the files themselves in it is rather nice and immediate, but [appears to] den{y,ies} things like Hierarchical Storage Systems. |
| 20:52.00 | jelly | in the same vein, you shouldn't use the word file for a file, because normal files can't be simultaneously stored in multiple folders. |
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| 20:52.42 | tabris|away | jelly: quite. which is why I like the UNIX model of dentries and inodes and blocks. it fits the data warehouse model _quite_ well. |
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| 20:53.02 | fooz | files works perfectly -- they're once in the warehouse, but listed by multiple directories |
| 20:53.04 | rahul | jelly: they can be referenced by multiple directories |
| 20:53.14 | rahul | what zoof said |
| 20:53.15 | tabris|away | jelly: however... one could decide to eliminate the diff btwn hardlinks and softlinks, and just decide that we'll only use softlinks ("see foo") |
| 20:53.16 | fooz | or not listed at all |
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| 20:53.33 | jelly | tabris|away: "shortcuts" work for me |
| 20:53.53 | jelly | tabris|away: I mean, right |
| 20:53.57 | rahul | shortcuts are fast ways of _doing_ something |
| 20:54.08 | rahul | not pointers to something else... |
| 20:54.10 | fooz | yeah |
| 20:54.22 | tabris|away | rahul: shorcuts can be fast ways of doing, or going. |
| 20:54.22 | fooz | windows got their terminology crossed |
| 20:54.23 | rahul | that's why apple called them "aliases" |
| 20:54.30 | tabris|away | rahul: I think tehy're using it in the going sense. |
| 20:54.59 | rahul | tabris|away: they're not necessarily for shorter ways, either. just alternative ways. |
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| 20:55.26 | tabris|away | rahul: true, but they are _supposed_ to be shorter. |
| 20:55.29 | jelly | Also, meanings of words change over time |
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| 20:55.59 | rahul | /usr/X11R6/bin is not a shorter way of getting to /usr/bin :) |
| 20:56.00 | fooz | yeah, I learned English when I was a kid, but had to completely relearn it at 20 :P |
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| 20:56.40 | tabris|away | rahul: yes, and I prefer symlink/softlink to 'shortcut'. however, you also miss the following case: Desktop with shortcut to C:\Downloads |
| 20:56.59 | tabris|away | rahul: even if that shortcut is contained in C:\Documents and Settings\Username Here\Desktop\ |
| 20:57.09 | tabris|away | rahul: b/c the cwd is Desktop\ it is in fact shorter. |
| 20:57.12 | rahul | heh |
| 20:57.50 | rahul | I don't think you should name something based on a fraction of the semantic space it names. |
| 20:58.02 | tabris|away | blame Gil Bates. |
| 20:58.35 | rahul | don't call it a grape just because it could be a grape, but could also be a slice of cheese |
| 20:58.51 | fooz | whine, whine, whine. would you like some cheese with that? |
| 20:58.53 | Yggdrasil | rahul are you still here ? |
| 20:58.55 | rahul | heh |
| 20:58.59 | rahul | Yggdrasil: no |
| 20:59.17 | rahul | zoof: no, I'd like some wild turkey with it |
| 20:59.20 | fooz | rahul, you're never there when I call! Always "out with friends" or "working late!" |
| 20:59.23 | Yggdrasil | does this look right for cloning that drive ? dd if=/dev/hdc of=/dev/hda bs=512 |
| 20:59.27 | Yggdrasil | ;) |
| 20:59.39 | fooz | Yggdrasil, it'll copy hdc onto hda |
| 20:59.40 | rahul | heh |
| 20:59.44 | tabris|away | Yggdrasil: in theory, yes. however a) consider putting the bs size up to 1M |
| 20:59.47 | Yggdrasil | ok thats what we wont |
| 20:59.54 | Yggdrasil | bs-1000 ? |
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| 20:59.57 | Yggdrasil | bs=1000 ? |
| 20:59.59 | tabris|away | Yggdrasil: b) that will only work reliably if they're the same size and geometry. |
| 20:59.59 | rahul | how much it copies at once |
| 21:00.02 | fooz | bs=1M |
| 21:00.11 | Yggdrasil | tabris they arenet. |
| 21:00.36 | rahul | Yggdrasil: what do you want to do with the extra space you'll have? |
| 21:00.38 | tabris|away | Yggdrasil: you'll do better then if you copy a partition, rather than the entire drive image |
| 21:00.53 | fooz | he asked for the "easiest way" to clone a drive, earlier |
| 21:00.54 | Yggdrasil | well part of the problem is that its got windows and linux on it |
| 21:01.00 | fooz | the next easier way costs $50 at Fry's |
| 21:01.02 | tabris|away | Yggdrasil: further, you should _probably_ just create an fs on /dev/hda1 and use cp -r or rsync |
| 21:01.10 | Yggdrasil | hmm.. |
| 21:01.14 | jelly | Yggdrasil: make sure hda >= hdc, then |
| 21:01.25 | Yggdrasil | jelly it is bigger |
| 21:01.33 | rahul | do NOT use cp -r |
| 21:01.34 | tabris|away | jelly: yes, but you also have to make the partition table _first_ and then copy the partitions. |
| 21:01.39 | rahul | you want cp -a, at least. |
| 21:01.42 | Yggdrasil | its hdc = 60 and hda = 150 gb |
| 21:01.48 | tabris|away | jelly: also, Windows may or may not work properly, and Linux will likely break if you use LILO (GRUB should be fine) |
| 21:01.51 | rahul | ahem |
| 21:01.55 | rahul | 16:00 < rahul> Yggdrasil: what do you want to do with the extra space you'll have? |
| 21:01.57 | Yggdrasil | well its going now.. |
| 21:02.12 | Yggdrasil | the partition at the end is just storage and can be erased reformated |
| 21:02.15 | unlink | why does the IANA have so much of the ipv4 space reserved? |
| 21:02.23 | jelly | tabris|away: things won't break if the whole drive is copied |
| 21:02.24 | fooz | unlink, porn |
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| 21:02.36 | tabris|away | unlink: that space reserved does get released slowly into allocations (tho not all of it is) |
| 21:02.39 | rahul | yeah, I get all horny when I see 69.69.69.69 |
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| 21:03.03 | unlink | tabris|away: but there's sitting on like 64 class As |
| 21:03.05 | tabris|away | jelly: uhhh... yeah, it could. a) it could break LILO esp if it uses CHS and not LBA (unlikely, but possible) b) it WILL break b/c of the partition table |
| 21:03.10 | ttick | hmm, etch doesn't seem to have apache2-ssl-certificate. What's the work around for getting SSL running for Apache2 in etch? |
| 21:03.11 | deadcat | do i need PREEMPT on a dedicated server? |
| 21:03.24 | jelly | tabris|away: b) not, the ptable is copied over. |
| 21:03.36 | tabris|away | deadcat: probably not. |
| 21:03.36 | deadcat | k |
| 21:03.36 | rahul | deadcat: will you be running real-time tasks on the server? |
| 21:03.38 | tabris|away | jelly: yes... but the partition table will be _wrong_ |
| 21:03.43 | jelly | tabris|away: who cares? |
| 21:03.46 | deadcat | rahul: real time meaning? |
| 21:03.48 | rahul | what is it "dedicated" for? |
| 21:03.49 | jelly | tabris|away: it'll work. |
| 21:03.51 | tabris|away | jelly: Windows, for one. |
| 21:03.57 | Raging_Hog | I'm planning on installing minimal debian on Thinkpad T41 laptop. Can I go terribly wrong there? |
| 21:03.59 | rahul | deadcat: you need something to happen within milliseconds. |
| 21:04.00 | jelly | tabris|away: XP doesn't. |
| 21:04.13 | deadcat | rahul: lighttpd, nfs, webcam motion detection, ssh |
| 21:04.21 | tabris|away | jelly: it'll still need to be fixed. |
| 21:04.24 | rahul | that's not very dedicated :P |
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| 21:04.36 | jelly | tabris|away: only if one wants to use the rest of the disk. |
| 21:04.41 | tabris|away | jelly: further, there are some deps on partitions ending on certain boundaries (tho I guess that cylinders matter less and less) |
| 21:04.44 | deadcat | rahul: dedicated basically means i dont have a monitor/key/mouse (= |
| 21:04.48 | tabris|away | jelly: well, duh... |
| 21:04.49 | rahul | deadcat: but it's all network stuff. kernel activity is faster than network communicaitons. |
| 21:04.51 | Yggdrasil | well thantks guys |
| 21:04.53 | netgod | Raging_Hog: not terribly, linux likes thinkpads -- just make sure your pcmcia network card is supported |
| 21:04.56 | tabris|away | jelly: why else cp to a bigger disc? |
| 21:05.03 | Yggdrasil | illl let you all know if it works |
| 21:05.35 | Raging_Hog | netgod, thanks. No pcmcia netcards. I'm going to install most stuff myself |
| 21:05.55 | jelly | tabris|away: there are reasons, but yes, they're less likely |
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| 21:06.22 | rhys | how do i get rid of annoying dependencies? |
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| 21:06.25 | deadcat | why is it on my "server" when i ps aux, the output seems to be according to PID (i am not saying its sorted by pid although it seems like it..) on all my other machines they are "sorted" by time of exec.. i want that |
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| 21:06.38 | deadcat | rhys: install the dependencies |
| 21:06.55 | rhys | deadcat, no, as in remove them. why does kerne-image depend on dash? |
| 21:07.05 | rhys | ive never had dash before, why do i need it now for a kernel? |
| 21:07.25 | deadcat | rhys: if it requires theres a reason for it... |
| 21:07.57 | PingFloyd | rhys: the package maintainer would know |
| 21:07.57 | deadcat | rhys: because it doesnt assume all machines have bash. |
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| 21:08.23 | rhys | deadcat, i do have bash. i want to remove dash. i dont need it. is there a way to do this? |
| 21:08.43 | rhys | PingFloyd, im sure the package maintainer would know, but at least isnt their the option of trying to fuck up my system? |
| 21:08.52 | ttick | anyone know how to install SSL for Apache2 in etch? (no apache2-ssl-certificate in the dist) |
| 21:08.55 | rhys | :D |
| 21:08.59 | rahul | rhys: man dpkg? man aptitude? |
| 21:08.59 | deadcat | rhys: no. the maintainer assumes not all machines have bash and dash is lite |
| 21:09.10 | jelly | tabris|away: what I did next-to-last time was to partition the new disk first, dd over all the partitions, resize them to the new partition sizes, mount, chroot, install the boot loader |
| 21:09.10 | rahul | oh |
| 21:09.11 | PingFloyd | rhys: there's always an option for that :) |
| 21:09.17 | rahul | rhys: what depends on it? |
| 21:09.19 | deadcat | rhys: or dont install kernel-image. |
| 21:09.42 | rhys | deadcat, so...what your saying, accept useless dependencies that i dont need or dont use debian packages? |
| 21:09.43 | netgod | deadcat: since pids are assigned sequentially, the lists are usually the same, unless your server has been up so long that the pids have wrapped around to a lower number |
| 21:10.03 | netgod | deadcat: im not sure the time-of-exec is even stored, just the pid |
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| 21:10.16 | deadcat | rhys: yes |
| 21:10.29 | deadcat | netgod: i have grsec to randomize pid |
| 21:10.35 | fooz | rhys, or modify the packages (the source is open) |
| 21:11.06 | netgod | oh, interesting |
| 21:11.16 | deadcat | netgod: but it works fine on my desktop |
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| 21:12.24 | rahul | rhys: file a bug, move on |
| 21:12.57 | rahul | existence of another package on your box won't kill you. |
| 21:12.57 | rhys | rahul...it bothers me though. |
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| 21:12.58 | rahul | 16:12 < rahul> rhys: file a bug, move on |
| 21:13.18 | fooz | what if it did though? what if he had some madman telling him he had to install a kernel-image, but if he installed any dependencies, the bus would explode? |
| 21:13.24 | PingFloyd | rhys: then contact the maintainer, bug report, build an alternative package |
| 21:13.37 | rhys | rahul, it may not be legal though. |
| 21:13.39 | rhys | fooz, lol |
| 21:13.39 | fooz | or that the bus would hit Linus Torvalds? |
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| 21:13.46 | rahul | "legal" to file a bug? |
| 21:13.52 | deadcat | rhys: build your own kernel-image and called it kernel-image-with-NO-dash-but-you-would-need-bash |
| 21:14.07 | eldowan | What would be the correct method to try and recover deleted files on a fat32 partition? |
| 21:14.17 | deadcat | eldowan: no clue.. |
| 21:14.37 | rhys | i dunno. i put my name on rahul, who knows what debian license im violating |
| 21:15.03 | jjazz | rhys: File a bug. If they don't think it's actually a bug, they'll close it. |
| 21:15.15 | rahul | debian license? |
| 21:15.21 | jelly | rhys: if you're _positive_ that packages don't need your superfluous dependency, use equivs. |
| 21:15.26 | jjazz | rahul: Yeah, you never got your license? |
| 21:15.26 | PingFloyd | rhys: Debian isn't like Microsoft |
| 21:15.34 | rahul | hmm |
| 21:15.37 | rhys | jelly, do what? equivs? |
| 21:15.38 | fooz | I have a license... to kill. |
| 21:15.48 | jjazz | fooz: Yeah, you just murdered that joke. |
| 21:15.49 | rhys | rahul, im being sarcastic. |
| 21:15.50 | rahul | oh wait, that bus is on another network |
| 21:15.58 | jelly | !tell rhys -about equivs |
| 21:16.10 | rahul | rhys: yeah, I'm just not sure what you're being sarcastic about |
| 21:16.25 | rahul | oy! |
| 21:16.29 | danf_1979 | For example, if I use symlinks in my program, and then distribute it, then symlinks will be broken? |
| 21:16.41 | deadcat | netgod: no clue on the pid situation? |
| 21:16.59 | rhys | rahul, i looked about changing from 2.4 to 2.6, i get a changelog for debian sarge i think. first thing, FIRST. was about moving 2 standered sections of python to non-free because of some license dissagreement. microsoft should actually stand in awe of debians notice of minute licenses |
| 21:16.59 | netgod | no idea |
| 21:17.01 | rahul | danf_1979: depends if the target file exists on the other system |
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| 21:17.34 | danf_1979 | rahul, but for example if installation path varies, then it will be broken? |
| 21:17.35 | concept10 | I need an opinion. Mozilla makes millions of dollars a year, when you use firefox and search in the handy search box, they make $$$ from that. Do they owe me anything? As in fixing bugs? |
| 21:17.49 | rahul | rhys: yeah, because creative lierature doesn't belong in a software package. it's a spearate thing. |
| 21:18.01 | rahul | danf_1979: depends where the symlink points |
| 21:18.05 | fooz | if you paid them for the purpose of fixing bugs (they're your contractor), then they do |
| 21:18.20 | jelly | concept10: no |
| 21:18.27 | rahul | concept10: did they sign a contract saying that they owe you anything? |
| 21:19.34 | concept10 | rahul, I didnt sign a contract, but I feel they should fix these bugs, no for me, for the community. |
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| 21:20.03 | rahul | concept10: law is not about your feelings |
| 21:20.06 | danf_1979 | rahul, it will point to a custom script in my program, but installation path will vary everytime |
| 21:20.14 | rahul | danf_1979: symlinks can be relative |
| 21:20.16 | rhys | rahul, i like foss. i like the idea behind it. but i have never been so pissed as when i learned the reason about why i use iceweasel. |
| 21:20.20 | rahul | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 6 Jan 15 13:33 /usr/X11R6/bin -> ../bin |
| 21:20.22 | zamadara | how do I find what package I need for a file? like sys/time.h ? |
| 21:20.24 | danf_1979 | ok, good! |
| 21:20.28 | blondie | rahul: owing is not just about the law |
| 21:20.28 | netgod | microsoft treats licenses like a contract, studying and enforcing them only as an abstract intellectual exercise of increasing monopoly profits; debian treats licenses like a religion -- even the slightest hint of nonfreeness is a major sacrilege, a basis for a holy war |
| 21:20.29 | abrotman | concept10: go whine in #firefox on irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:20.34 | concept10 | See we are busy talking shit about Internet Explorer, while Mozilla is busy putting out shotty code and getting us to promote it and they make money |
| 21:20.38 | abrotman | !tell zamadara about search |
| 21:20.42 | rahul | rhys: so you're saying that ubuntu should be allowed to call itself debian? |
| 21:20.44 | concept10 | abrotman, im over there already |
| 21:20.49 | fooz | netgod, the way it should be! |
| 21:20.50 | abrotman | blondie: sic! |
| 21:20.53 | rhys | netgod, exactly!!! |
| 21:21.12 | rahul | blondie: well, anything else has to be enforced outside of the law. |
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| 21:21.45 | rhys | concept10, are you actually critizing the most suceessful FOSS project there is? save for maybe apache? |
| 21:22.00 | zamadara | thankjs abrotman |
| 21:22.11 | blondie | rahul: it doesn't have to be enforced |
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| 21:22.38 | fooz | dang. a chunk of my torrent has failed |
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| 21:23.16 | rahul | blondie: then it's just an agreement among friends... or enemies |
| 21:23.19 | netgod | heh im sure sun cares more about whether AOL and Sony support firefox, than if the free software community supports it; they probably just use us as free beta-testers for the code |
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| 21:23.26 | netgod | which is fine, since its free software they can do as they please |
| 21:23.28 | rahul | either way, it's a private thing and a matter of reputation |
| 21:23.29 | concept10 | rhys, hell yes, why not? They make money, from this project. Its probably the most used application on my system, and the code base is a POS |
| 21:23.40 | dererk[work] | which was the shortcut in vim to insert a literal? |
| 21:23.51 | rahul | concept10: so STOP using it |
| 21:23.53 | fooz | control v |
| 21:24.06 | rahul | concept10: do you use IE? |
| 21:24.07 | fooz | i think |
| 21:24.13 | rahul | therefore I am not |
| 21:24.15 | dererk[work] | fooz, perfect, Thanks! |
| 21:24.26 | fooz | np |
| 21:24.28 | rhys | rahul, though truely, i dont mind. ill use iceweasel, as long as its just a patched firefox with a different name. if they truely fork it ill be pissed though |
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| 21:24.36 | rhys | concept10, the most used. does it work? and work well? |
| 21:24.39 | rhys | why bother? |
| 21:24.47 | nikosaei | hi people |
| 21:24.48 | jelly | concept10: why shouldn't they make money? wtf? |
| 21:24.52 | fooz | weasels are cooler than foxes though, honestly |
| 21:24.52 | nikosaei | i am from greece |
| 21:25.00 | nikosaei | i need some help please!!!! |
| 21:25.19 | concept10 | rahul, see thats the point. We, the FOSS community supported Firefox. Its everywhere and because of that, no other perfectly fine browsers get supported |
| 21:25.24 | fooz | so are badgers |
| 21:25.31 | rahul | !badgersmite zoof |
| 21:25.37 | netgod | for the record, MySQL is a for-profit venture, as is jboss and most of the java community -- theres no law saying free software programmers have to be broke |
| 21:25.40 | nikosaei | has anyone get working debian in routerboard 532?????????????? |
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| 21:25.56 | wireddd | so.. how many daily arguments are there about debian's social contract or whatever |
| 21:25.59 | rahul | nikosaei: wtf. |
| 21:26.00 | concept10 | rhys,to your questions: 1. no, 2. hell no |
| 21:26.07 | rahul | nikosaei: don't do that. |
| 21:26.09 | peterS | wireddd: daily? more like 2 or 3 per year |
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| 21:26.18 | nikosaei | what rahul? |
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| 21:26.25 | nikosaei | what don t do? |
| 21:26.32 | fooz | wireddd, depends if you're talking about on debian lists or slashdot |
| 21:26.35 | rahul | nikosaei: spewing punctuation to be irritating. |
| 21:26.42 | nikosaei | i don t understand |
| 21:26.42 | jelly | nikosaei: ?too many question marks error |
| 21:26.49 | nikosaei | i am sorry |
| 21:26.50 | fooz | ?SYNTAX ERR |
| 21:26.56 | abrotman | peterS: more than that |
| 21:26.58 | danf_1979 | rahul, relative symlinks uses ln? didn't find info on man |
| 21:27.01 | peterS | right, slashdot argues about the debian social contract, not that any of them have a clue about it, every time a debian story runs |
| 21:27.05 | nikosaei | i don t know so good english |
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| 21:27.18 | abrotman | peterS: probably a few a week .. about things and the DFSG .. why isn't X in debian ... |
| 21:27.25 | nikosaei | do you know about debian and routerboard 532? |
| 21:27.27 | abrotman | peterS: like the pine guy :) |
| 21:28.04 | netgod | heh |
| 21:28.19 | nikosaei | it is impossible to make that thing working? |
| 21:28.25 | sr0zzz | hi. how can i run the installer the command line? |
| 21:28.32 | rahul | danf_1979: yes, it's just whatever you give the command. |
| 21:28.33 | jelly | nikosaei: what architecture is it? |
| 21:28.39 | sr0zzz | err *from the cli |
| 21:28.39 | karsten | sr0zzz: ?? |
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| 21:28.41 | nikosaei | just a moment |
| 21:28.43 | sr0zzz | hah |
| 21:28.44 | concept10 | im going to take someones advice, all mozilla code will be removed from my system by the end of the day, ill use emacs for email |
| 21:28.48 | karsten | sr0zzz: Which installer, which commandline, where, when? |
| 21:28.54 | sr0zzz | debian-installer |
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| 21:29.01 | sr0zzz | ive installed it but i want to get back into the installer |
| 21:29.07 | rahul | concept10: you use mozilla for mail?? |
| 21:29.08 | karsten | sr0zzz: man aptitude |
| 21:29.11 | Darkclaw_AK | are there any socks servers for linux? |
| 21:29.13 | sr0zzz | ohhhhh |
| 21:29.24 | netgod | concept10: mh-e and gnus are pretty good, and far more mature than thunderbird |
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| 21:29.44 | karsten | !aptitude |
| 21:29.45 | dpkg | [aptitude] a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 21:30.03 | jelly | concept10: frankly I don't see your point. I use Opera and Firefox daily, and don't mind the openness of the source. I use the tool that best suits the job. |
| 21:30.06 | rahul | oh, I'm still available while I'm bent over, I mean fallen over. |
| 21:30.08 | nikosaei | well MIPS 4Kc core CPU architecture. |
| 21:30.12 | concept10 | I just got kicked from #firefox and I didnt say nothing |
| 21:30.20 | netgod | rahul: thunderbird used to be part of mozilla (netscape communicator) -- then they realized that putting a mail program in a web browser was feature creep |
| 21:30.29 | netgod | rahul: evolution has more feature these days, tho |
| 21:30.30 | jelly | nikosaei: you might want to try a specialized mips channel. |
| 21:30.36 | rahul | netgod: either way, it's crap |
| 21:30.39 | smimp | concept10: haha someones listening here, a spy |
| 21:30.43 | nikosaei | which channel is that |
| 21:30.44 | danf_1979 | Ok rahul, thanks |
| 21:30.48 | fooz | someone with a license... to kick. |
| 21:30.48 | nikosaei | how can i get there? |
| 21:30.50 | rahul | netgod: "mozilla" as in whatever the group makes |
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| 21:30.58 | netgod | yeah |
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| 21:31.00 | sr0zzz | ha thanks. |
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| 21:31.32 | concept10 | I am launching a new campain, fuckfirefox |
| 21:31.36 | fooz | ... |
| 21:31.41 | rahul | ,,, |
| 21:31.50 | blackelf | concept10: why |
| 21:31.53 | fooz | rahul, he endorses fornication with small woodland creatures.. just like you! |
| 21:32.09 | rahul | !!! |
| 21:32.10 | dpkg | No! I'm not your damned csh prompt! |
| 21:32.10 | fooz | haha |
| 21:32.15 | jelly | nikosaei: maybe #mipslinux or try asking in #debian on irc.debian.org |
| 21:32.16 | rahul | !fornicate |
| 21:32.20 | rahul | oh well |
| 21:32.32 | rahul | zoof: you're a small woodland creature? |
| 21:32.34 | nikosaei | thanks a lot for tha help |
| 21:32.39 | fooz | no but I have been in the past |
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| 21:32.51 | rahul | zoof: when you were a little girl? |
| 21:33.00 | fooz | little girls aren't usually small woodland creatures |
| 21:33.18 | rahul | why not? |
| 21:33.20 | jelly | squirrel-girls! |
| 21:33.25 | fooz | they get eaten by big bad wolves |
| 21:33.32 | rahul | they're small and they can live in the woodlands |
| 21:33.41 | rahul | zoof: kinky |
| 21:33.47 | jelly | fooz: and they like being eaten! |
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| 21:33.53 | Kw4k | hi all |
| 21:34.05 | rahul | zoof: better than old dirty bastards, I'd think |
| 21:34.55 | fooz | my, rahul, what big (censored) you have! |
| 21:35.25 | rahul | plural? |
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| 21:37.58 | jelly | !ops kwak spam |
| 21:37.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly complains about: kwak spam |
| 21:38.01 | karsten | !ops Kw4k spam |
| 21:38.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: Kw4k spam |
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| 21:38.06 | jelly | darn |
| 21:38.07 | rahul | heh |
| 21:38.25 | jelly | and I mispelled the nick too |
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| 21:38.37 | rhys | heres another freakin odd dependency. why does at have to be removed with xmail ? why do they depend on eachother? |
| 21:38.39 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 21:38.40 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@85.108.67.7] by peterS |
| 21:38.40 | *** kick/#debian [Kw4k!i=~m|ptrS|@adsl-71-158-215-15.dsl.wchtks.sbcglobal.net] by peterS (spam someone new) |
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| 21:39.00 | jelly | rhys: at sends mail |
| 21:39.00 | fooz | peterS, my hero! *swoons* |
| 21:39.33 | rahul | rhys: it doesn't |
| 21:39.37 | rahul | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.4-4), mail-transport-agent |
| 21:39.58 | jelly | rhys: I bet patches for less dependencies in base packages would be welcomed and well used |
| 21:40.19 | rahul | the new at package depends on MORE, heh |
| 21:40.23 | rahul | Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libpam0g (>= 0.76), mail-transport-agent, lsb-base (>= 3.0-10) |
| 21:40.27 | rhys | patches? |
| 21:40.42 | fooz | patches. those things which patch |
| 21:40.44 | rahul | rhys: are you familiar with the concept of source code?... |
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| 21:40.53 | rhys | rahul, more should be in every linux system. i use most. |
| 21:40.57 | rhys | rahul, of course. |
| 21:40.59 | fooz | arrr |
| 21:41.07 | rahul | scurvy! |
| 21:41.10 | fooz | citrus! |
| 21:41.12 | rahul | that was the word of the day at the bar last night |
| 21:41.17 | fooz | wtf? |
| 21:41.22 | rahul | something to do with that pirate guy in dodgeball |
| 21:41.29 | rhys | rahul, i thought dependency info was stored in the .deb package or an extra file and not in the packages themselves |
| 21:41.31 | rahul | no one remembers what dodgeball had to do with anything, tho |
| 21:41.39 | jelly | fooz: A pirate you were meant to be. |
| 21:41.54 | rahul | rhys: uh, well... it's GENERATED somehow by the debian scripts. |
| 21:42.20 | rahul | rhys: and if they're not there, the package will not be functional |
| 21:42.56 | jelly | http://www.worldofmi.com/files/mp3s/mi3/cd2/A%20pirate%20I%20was%20meant%20to%20be.mp3 -- thar ya go, ye scurvy seadogs |
| 21:43.11 | rhys | rahul, im used to .tgz and PACKAGES.TXT so....yea. i dont know the first thing about debian, only that its far more advanced than that |
| 21:43.14 | fooz | dood, a pirate i am |
| 21:43.34 | rahul | limeys! |
| 21:43.40 | fooz | landlubbers! |
| 21:43.48 | rahul | zooflubbers! |
| 21:43.56 | fooz | arselubers! (<- rahul |
| 21:43.59 | rahul | heh |
| 21:44.12 | rahul | no, I heard I had a hot ass. |
| 21:44.28 | fooz | you don't want your oil to have thermal breakdown. use castrol syntec |
| 21:44.41 | Yggdrasil | hey everyone it seems to have wworked |
| 21:44.49 | fooz | wwicked |
| 21:44.56 | rhys | yea. i shouldnt have to install any MTA if i just want at. |
| 21:45.13 | fooz | install any other one, then |
| 21:45.14 | rahul | heh |
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| 21:45.54 | concept10 | I just thought of the perfect extension for firefox! Remove the code that pays Mozilla! |
| 21:46.03 | rahul | loll zomg. |
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| 21:46.30 | jelly | rhys: if you really need a distro that lean, try something like LFS |
| 21:46.30 | rhys | concept10, go to hell they make a damn nice product, which i use for free on my part. Let them make their money |
| 21:46.56 | rahul | rhys: but if you don't install an mta on LFS, at will not work correctly. |
| 21:47.08 | rhys | jelly, why should i have to? why cant i enjoy the beauty of apt without having her be a fatass? i like my women big, not my software. |
| 21:47.09 | rahul | rhys: debian just prevents you from shooting yourself in the foot |
| 21:47.13 | concept10 | rhys, no, this is too good. Im about to start vim and make a pot of coffee |
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| 21:47.24 | rhys | um. since when? at just runs delayed execution |
| 21:47.34 | jelly | concept10: dude, make a better product and offer it to the world. If you can't put up, shut up. |
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| 21:47.56 | alexey__ | hi all ! |
| 21:48.00 | rahul | rhys: rtfm |
| 21:48.11 | alexey__ | is it known when debian 4 RC2 will be out? |
| 21:48.31 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: we don't release release candidates. |
| 21:48.44 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: there are installer release candidates, but that's just for the installer. |
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| 21:49.13 | alexey__ | dondelelcaro> : that's incorrect - I saw 3 DVDs of RC1 |
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| 21:49.41 | alexey__ | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-dvd/ |
| 21:49.42 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: that's the installer RC1 with whatever was then in the testing archive. |
| 21:49.51 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: it's not an RC1 release of Debian. |
| 21:50.10 | dondelelcaro | etch_*di*_rc1 <-- see the di? That's a clue. |
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| 21:50.41 | alexey__ | i c, but what it means? debian installer? |
| 21:50.52 | rahul | the thing that installs debian |
| 21:50.54 | rahul | ... |
| 21:50.55 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: clearly. |
| 21:51.29 | alexey__ | dondelelcaro>: ok - easier question: if I want to beta-test Debian 4, which shouold I try: RC1, wekkly, or daily ISOs? |
| 21:51.34 | jelly | alexey__: means it's a testing point for the installer procedure, and the packages on the dvd might be in various states of degradation |
| 21:51.41 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: it depends what you want to beta test |
| 21:52.01 | alexey__ | the distro, overall. -- for stability. |
| 21:52.07 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: if you want to beta test the installer, you should be using the nightly builds of the installer. If you want to test the release itself, then it doesn't matter. |
| 21:52.27 | alexey__ | no, not the installer, but the OS |
| 21:52.28 | rhys | rahul, i just read the fucking manual. Nowhere does it say anything about mail. |
| 21:52.28 | dondelelcaro | (so long as the installer you're using works, of course) |
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| 21:53.04 | rahul | rhys: uh... |
| 21:53.08 | dondelelcaro | rhys: you want an MTA on any system that's connected to the network. It doesn't have to *receive* mail, but it needs to be able to get the mail off of the system. |
| 21:53.15 | dondelelcaro | rhys: install something like esmtp or nullmailer. |
| 21:53.33 | jelly | s/esmtp/ssmtp/ |
| 21:53.37 | rahul | "The user will be mailed standard error and standard output from his commands, if any. Mail will be sent using the command /usr/sbin/sendmail." |
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| 21:54.18 | rahul | rhys: and yes, without an MTA, you can't send mail to other machines in a system-wide-configurable way |
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| 21:54.30 | rahul | you'd need an independent config for each and every application |
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| 21:54.51 | rahul | and each and every application would have to include a full MTA, just in case. |
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| 21:55.05 | jelly | W00t |
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| 21:55.11 | rhys | rahul, i use yahoo and gmail. why does my system need to send mail? |
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| 21:55.22 | rahul | rhys: you don't use at or cron? |
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| 21:55.33 | rahul | rhys: or logcheck? |
| 21:55.40 | jelly | rhys: it's made that way. |
| 21:55.44 | dondelelcaro | rhys: if you don't use anything that sends mail, then don't install anything that depends upon an MTA. |
| 21:55.45 | rhys | rahul, i havnt used at, i would like to. i couldnt get the timestamp right for it |
| 21:55.52 | rahul | wow |
| 21:56.02 | rahul | at has an amazingly lenient time parser |
| 21:56.12 | rahul | "12:55 PM tomorrow" |
| 21:56.39 | infernix | hm. bluez, or affix? |
| 21:56.42 | dondelelcaro | indeed; /usr/share/doc/at/timespec explains it pretty well |
| 21:56.58 | rhys | ...ah. i tried unixtime and 12550001202007 |
| 21:57.10 | rahul | rhys: so you have NEVER read the man page |
| 21:57.12 | infernix | is affix the discontinued bluetooth stack and bluez the one that's in 2.6? |
| 21:57.34 | rahul | all of this is in the man page. you claimed that the mail thing was not and you didn't know about the time format. |
| 21:57.35 | jelly | infernix: never heard about affix, bluez works here |
| 21:57.41 | jjazz | infernix: I'm not familiar with affix, everybody I know uses bluez. |
| 21:58.00 | infernix | http://affix.sourceforge.net/overview.shtml |
| 21:58.11 | rhys | rahul i remember reading about it. apparently i didnt. |
| 21:58.21 | rahul | ... |
| 21:58.27 | concept10 | rhys, you know you told me to go to hell about firefox. Well, guess what.. when Debain touches it, they no longer support it |
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| 21:58.54 | rahul | concept10: should you support stuff you didn't make? |
| 21:58.57 | rhys | concept10, tends to work fine for me on all the other systems...why does debian need to molest the poor fox? |
| 21:58.57 | jelly | infernix: hey, if it's not in Debian, it doesn't exist :-) [...] and it's not in etch |
| 21:58.59 | infernix | ill go with bluez. i hope to be able to use my bluetooth headset with a voip client (twinkle preferably) |
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| 21:59.39 | jjazz | infernix: FYI, experience in such around my office is that some bluetooth devices work better than others with twinkle. |
| 22:00.02 | rhys | rahul, i havnt slept in a while. i tried to use at to shut off my system in a few hours. |
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| 22:00.11 | infernix | i bought a plantronics headset, that should be good in any case i hope. dunno about the $10 USB dongle tho:) |
| 22:00.20 | rhys | i thought i did read the man page, or at least i skimmed through it looking for time. but i must not have seen it. |
| 22:00.21 | jjazz | infernix: I'm referring to the dongle |
| 22:00.49 | concept10 | rahul, im 100% sure about iceweasel, but It still has the majority of mozilla code |
| 22:00.52 | jelly | rhys: better switch the machine manually and get some more sleep! |
| 22:01.04 | thug | how do i mount ext3 partition on boot-up, and allow all users to read/write ? |
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| 22:01.30 | jjazz | infernix: If you pair ok but still can't get reliable audio, try a different dongle. There are dongles that work just fine for other purposes, but for some reason don't do this one thing reliably (or perhaps at all). |
| 22:01.53 | infernix | i'll find out shortly, rebuilding kernel. is it possible for linux to act as a headphone as well? i'd like to go cellphone -> linux and then somehow mux (cellphone->linux)+(twinkle) -> bluetooth headphone. thats the idea, at least |
| 22:02.04 | PingFloyd | that's funny, because the power switch seems to work wonders |
| 22:02.45 | jjazz | infernix: That I don't know about, sorry. |
| 22:03.21 | infernix | jjazz: nothing more fun than experimenting :) |
| 22:03.21 | rahul | rhys: so go to sleep before you bitch again about something that you're wrong about, heh |
| 22:03.31 | thelostbutler | hello folks. why does epiphany have a priority of 85 , iceweasel 70 and konqueror 100 ? |
| 22:03.32 | jjazz | infernix: True enough. |
| 22:03.58 | rhys | rahul, indeed |
| 22:04.00 | rahul | concept10: "majority" is useless when dealing with software |
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| 22:04.30 | twobitsp1ite | how does one graphically browse the fonts available on one's system? |
| 22:04.33 | Yggdrasil | what do i modprobe to laod the via rhine ethernet module ? |
| 22:04.45 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: xfontsel is kinda ok, but often a pain |
| 22:04.47 | rhys | does anyone have the problem of synaptic going dead when you try to search? does anyone use synaptic even? |
| 22:04.50 | rahul | Yggdrasil: modconf |
| 22:04.50 | PingFloyd | rhys: one way or another there usually ends up being a dependency on an MTA |
| 22:04.56 | jelly | thelostbutler: developers prefer kde? :-) |
| 22:05.03 | PingFloyd | be it directly or indirectly |
| 22:05.03 | Yggdrasil | rahul that worked spledidly btw |
| 22:05.09 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: does it support freetype fonts? |
| 22:05.23 | jelly | rahul: xfontsel does only X fonts. |
| 22:05.27 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: if they're in your font path |
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| 22:06.04 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: does that mean no freetype? |
| 22:06.05 | rahul | jelly: well, he didn't SAY he wanted metafont fonts |
| 22:06.23 | Yggdrasil | ahh, i dont have the module compiled i suspect |
| 22:06.23 | twobitsp1ite | what are metafonts? |
| 22:06.25 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: if your X server's font path includes your truetype fonts, it will use freetype to render them |
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| 22:06.30 | thelostbutler | jelly: scratches head, not understanding the reason why . will try to rtfm priority assignement for software. thanks. |
| 22:06.34 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: cool, thanks |
| 22:06.40 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: Knuth's parametrizable font description language |
| 22:07.21 | rahul | "freetype fonts" don't exist. freetype is a library that can render truetype fonts. |
| 22:07.34 | rahul | your X server uses it, and anything else can, too |
| 22:07.38 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: right, you know what I meant |
| 22:08.39 | jelly | today, rendition of truetype fonts is usually left to the client side. |
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| 22:08.58 | jelly | I think... |
| 22:09.07 | rahul | really? |
| 22:09.08 | rhys | now heres another thing. i installed bmpx. it chose like 10 libraries to install with it. i uninstalled bmpx. and it just removed bmpx. |
| 22:09.20 | rahul | jelly: well, "usually" rarely applies. :) |
| 22:09.31 | rahul | rhys: you forgot to use aptitude. |
| 22:09.41 | RvGaTe | Is there a plugin/extension/whatever for the Archive Manager to make sure it can handle .rar files ? |
| 22:09.49 | rahul | "the" archive manager? |
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| 22:09.54 | jelly | rahul: apps linked with freetype do client-side rendering. |
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| 22:10.09 | rahul | jelly: and ones that aren't, don't :P |
| 22:10.09 | marco_ | rhys, search for a way to remove orphaned packages |
| 22:10.15 | RvGaTe | rahul, File Roller ;) |
| 22:10.22 | rahul | RvGaTe: huh? |
| 22:10.23 | jelly | rahul: this means gtk2 and qt. |
| 22:10.24 | PingFloyd | rhys: if you want that kind of package management features, use aptitude |
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| 22:10.40 | RvGaTe | rahul, File Roller, An archive manager for GNOME |
| 22:10.41 | PingFloyd | s/that/those |
| 22:10.43 | rahul | jelly: they can't use X fonts? |
| 22:10.55 | jelly | rahul: They don't use them. |
| 22:11.04 | rahul | jelly: holy retardation. |
| 22:11.24 | rahul | one more in the minus column for gtk. |
| 22:11.25 | jelly | rahul: X fonts are bitmapped, non antialiased = ugly. |
| 22:11.31 | ttick | argh, setting up SSL on apache2 for etch. Keep getting "-12263" error in firefox. Any suggestions? |
| 22:11.35 | rahul | gtk is like MS windows for X. |
| 22:11.37 | jelly | rahul: gtk1 uses X fonts though |
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| 22:11.53 | rahul | they keep getting rid of features that X has that aren't in MS windows. |
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| 22:12.11 | rahul | jelly: X fonts don't have to be bitmapped |
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| 22:12.28 | rahul | jelly: and bitmapped fonts can be antialiased, technically |
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| 22:12.52 | RvGaTe | rahul, i see what you mean, i need to use xarchiver :P |
| 22:12.56 | aubergine | Iam unpacking with tar xvfj - how can i choise the destination of the unpacked files directly like /home/user1 |
| 22:13.08 | twobitsp1ite | hmm... so, I find a font family in xfontsel, but xterm -fn doesn't like it... do I need to specify it differently? |
| 22:13.09 | alexey__ | is there a list of debian 4 packages? |
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| 22:13.21 | rahul | jelly: on IRIX, X fonts are antialiased |
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| 22:13.29 | blondie | alexey__: packages.debian.org |
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| 22:13.52 | iveqy | hi, I'm having problems with schroot. chroot works like expected, schroot -p too, except that schroot still starts my 64-bit programs |
| 22:13.55 | eldowan | Are there tools for undeleting files in a reiser partition? |
| 22:13.56 | jelly | rahul: well, I'd expect that from SGI. |
| 22:14.00 | rahul | that's why I always used the SGI workstations instead of the Sun workstations at college :) |
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| 22:14.27 | alexey__ | thx |
| 22:14.28 | rahul | even remote apps had their fonts antialiased. |
| 22:14.46 | Steve__ | hi! |
| 22:15.00 | jelly | rahul: someone from XFree86 should have stolen^Wreimplemented that technology. |
| 22:15.08 | twobitsp1ite | does xterm -fn expect a font family? that doesn't seem to work... is there some strange way I need to specify fonts for xterm? |
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| 22:15.14 | Steve__ | can i use the netinst disk to install a debian pc like i can do with a gentoo livecd? |
| 22:15.22 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: heh, using the X font syntax |
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| 22:15.31 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: xfontsel will help with that |
| 22:15.31 | jjazz | twobitsp1ite: In xfontsel, copy the string -*-*-*-[value]-* or whatever |
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| 22:15.38 | twobitsp1ite | jjazz: ahh |
| 22:15.42 | smacnay | I am so out of the loop - firefox is now iceweasle? |
| 22:15.46 | jjazz | twobitsp1ite: The asterisks are wildcards |
| 22:15.51 | jelly | gtkfontsel is nicer |
| 22:16.04 | jjazz | twobitsp1ite: take the entire string, all umpteen fields |
| 22:16.16 | twobitsp1ite | jjazz: lol... right on... thanks |
| 22:16.17 | rahul | smacnay: trademark dispute |
| 22:16.25 | jjazz | rahul: It's not really a dispute. |
| 22:16.26 | rahul | jelly: gtkfontsel is wrong, tho |
| 22:16.29 | rahul | jjazz: true |
| 22:16.36 | rahul | it's been resolved |
| 22:16.37 | kozy | hello people, I have this Ipmi card over the regular Lan0, now the Ipmi card has the same MAC as the Lan0, which it should have. Problem is that there is a problem with networking. It cannotr recieve any data. I see it sends out an arp request but it cannot recieve the answer. What can there be the problem. Maybe something with Vlan tagging? |
| 22:16.38 | jelly | rahul: how? |
| 22:16.48 | smacnay | rahul: ahh |
| 22:16.51 | rahul | jelly: because it will not show him the fonts he can actually use. |
| 22:17.11 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: differences in fontpath type stuff? |
| 22:17.14 | jelly | rahul: one can filter only monospace and character-spaced |
| 22:17.30 | Steve__ | jelly how did u install debian? |
| 22:17.41 | rahul | twobitsp1ite: gtk suspposedly doesn't USE X for the fonts. |
| 22:17.59 | jelly | Steve__: Would you believe I don't remember any more. |
| 22:18.00 | twobitsp1ite | rahul: ahh |
| 22:18.15 | Steve__ | jelly u had debian tat long?? |
| 22:18.33 | jelly | Steve__: the current desktop was installed in 1999. |
| 22:18.33 | Steve__ | i am wanting to move from debian to gentoo but idk where to start, hehe haha... Is there a way to install from the netinst.iso image?? |
| 22:18.40 | Steve__ | Woaw |
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| 22:18.55 | strange_device | Hello |
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| 22:19.12 | jelly | Steve__: netinst is fine, burn and install. |
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| 22:19.57 | PingFloyd | Steve__: it not amazing to not have to reinstall every 6 months to a year like in Windows |
| 22:20.18 | agnostic | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:20.24 | Steve__ | PingFloyd wanna shine some light on which Disk i want? |
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| 22:20.33 | Steve__ | i got wifi/RJ45 connection |
| 22:20.33 | strange_device | I'm using debian etch x86_64 and i want to change to debian etch i386 ... i listne say that if i change the source in apt-get is i just make one apt-et update and apt-get upgrade to change all the system ... someone know how can i do that and if this is really possible |
| 22:20.46 | jelly | agnostic: it's not that bad. If you have some huge files they're bound to get fragmented |
| 22:20.47 | obnauticus | Steve__ good for youi |
| 22:20.49 | obnauticus | lol |
| 22:20.51 | twobitsp1ite | agnostic: don't worry about fragmented filesystems in linux... it's not like windows, the filesystem itself does a pretty good job of avoiding issues like that |
| 22:20.58 | PingFloyd | Steve__: netinstall |
| 22:21.17 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: except reiserfs, it has... issues |
| 22:21.23 | Steve__ | k |
| 22:21.26 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: oh? |
| 22:21.27 | Steve__ | hehe so netinstall like gentoo live cd? |
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| 22:21.44 | abrotman | no .. it's a minimal install CD |
| 22:21.44 | Steve__ | nvm ill just burn the iso :) thanks |
| 22:21.52 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: speaking of which... what's the status on ole Mr. Reiser and his court issue...? |
| 22:22.00 | PingFloyd | jelly: it's creator has issues too |
| 22:22.17 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: had a news spool on it. After it got filled up to 92%, performance dropped and never recovered (even after freeing it up to 60-70% usage) |
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| 22:22.21 | twobitsp1ite | PingFloyd: was he actually convicted? |
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| 22:22.39 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: hmm |
| 22:22.50 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: I heard xfs is good for that kind of stuff... thoughts? |
| 22:23.04 | prower | Hello :> I'm just looking at the bt-cd directory for the debian testing images...there's a bunch of CD's there, which ones do I need to just install the testing distribution? |
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| 22:23.12 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: I heard that too, but have no experience with it. |
| 22:23.44 | jelly | ext3 works. I know xfs is faster, but can't vouch for its safety |
| 22:24.27 | marco_ | ext3 is the best all around FS |
| 22:24.39 | Steve__ | wat bout reiserfs |
| 22:24.46 | marco_ | reiser, xfs, etc.. each have their pluses, but they also have their downs |
| 22:24.56 | Steve__ | IV |
| 22:24.57 | Steve__ | ic* |
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| 22:24.59 | solemnwarning | Is etch actually going to come out this month? |
| 22:25.00 | Steve__ | wat about ext2? |
| 22:25.02 | PingFloyd | ext3 is pretty resilient, I've lost power a couple of times and everything was fine |
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| 22:25.08 | jelly | solemnwarning: I bet it is! |
| 22:25.21 | marco_ | Steve__, ext2 is ext3 without journaling |
| 22:25.27 | solemnwarning | Has it made any progrss then? |
| 22:25.27 | abrotman | solemnwarning: When it's ready .. like we've been telling you for weeks .. get off your lazy ass and help |
| 22:25.31 | Steve__ | okie so u dont like reiserfs? |
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| 22:25.36 | abrotman | !u |
| 22:25.36 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 22:25.44 | solemnwarning | I would help if I know what to do |
| 22:25.44 | abrotman | sanmarcos-trabaj: no more work! |
| 22:25.46 | jelly | solemnwarning: not really, you haven't fixed any RC bugs have you? |
| 22:25.49 | PingFloyd | Steve__: you take ext2 and add a jounaling system to it, you've got ext3 basically |
| 22:26.02 | solemnwarning | jelly: I know what ext2/3 is..... |
| 22:26.03 | Steve__ | PingFloyd so why did people make reiserfs? |
| 22:26.09 | abrotman | solemnwarning: go to #debian-bugs on OFTC .. ask how to help |
| 22:26.24 | marco_ | Steve__, I'm not saying that it's a bad file system, but for general usage, ext3 is still king |
| 22:26.29 | sanmarcos-trabaj | I am getting this message about locales in perl. Any ideas, maybe the A-BROT-MAN can help me! http://pastebin.ca/321966 |
| 22:26.36 | rahul | reiserfs doesn't like YOU |
| 22:26.40 | Steve__ | macro i agree |
| 22:26.46 | Steve__ | rahul realli :S |
| 22:26.49 | rahul | XFS is rather solid |
| 22:27.05 | Steve__ | so, instead of reiserfs, shall i try xfs? |
| 22:27.05 | PingFloyd | Steve__: I don't know, I just go with ext3 because it's always worked great for me, is well tested and evolved. |
| 22:27.05 | abrotman | sanmarcos: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 22:27.07 | eldowan | Are there tools for undeleting files in a reiser partition? |
| 22:27.23 | Steve__ | PingFloyd ic |
| 22:27.45 | Ny-Ty | ? |
| 22:27.45 | Ny-Ty | ;] |
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| 22:27.58 | sanmarcos | abrotman, did so already, no dialog though, just reconfigured htem to my defaultS |
| 22:28.08 | Steve__ | irc makes me wanna throw up |
| 22:28.11 | madd_matt | I currently run gentoo on my desktop. How "stable" is "testing"? Is it suitable for desktop use? |
| 22:28.17 | PingFloyd | Steve__: also those two occasions, where I had power failures, made me want to stick with it all the more. |
| 22:28.22 | marco_ | madd_matt, if you run gentoo |
| 22:28.24 | ix | madd_matt: yes. |
| 22:28.26 | marco_ | go with sid |
| 22:28.47 | Steve__ | umm i have ups :S |
| 22:28.47 | ix | marco_: heheh. |
| 22:28.48 | abrotman | marco_: DO NOT DO THAT |
| 22:28.55 | Steve__ | PingFloyd i get ur point |
| 22:29.05 | PingFloyd | madd_matt: how important is security for you? |
| 22:29.05 | abrotman | marco_: do NOT ever recommend sid/unstable to people |
| 22:29.27 | sanmarcos | its not a big deal anyways, thanks abrotman |
| 22:29.29 | madd_matt | marco_, Sid FTW :P |
| 22:29.36 | marco_ | abrotman, is the sky going to fall and cause the apocalypse? |
| 22:29.43 | Steve__ | marco ur file system is? |
| 22:29.58 | solemnwarning | marco_: It could under sid |
| 22:30.07 | abrotman | marco_: you're missing the fucking point .. unless you're going to be his personal support bitch .. do NOT recommend sid/unstable to people |
| 22:30.23 | mentor | ahem |
| 22:30.28 | abrotman | hi |
| 22:30.35 | Steve__ | dude |
| 22:30.40 | madd_matt | Is the etch installer still the same as the sarge one? |
| 22:30.42 | Steve__ | abrotman i agree but lower the bad words =) |
| 22:30.48 | PingFloyd | sid is especially a bad idea if you're new to Debian |
| 22:30.55 | mentor | madd_matt: yes. No changes have been made to it whatsoever. |
| 22:31.00 | jelly | Steve__: "support"? |
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| 22:31.13 | abrotman | Steve__: if you can stop using 'u' and 'ur' |
| 22:31.20 | Steve__ | abrotman okie i will :) |
| 22:31.23 | madd_matt | PingFloyd, I haven't run debian since sarge was unstable. Security is fairly important, ie, i run apache on this machine over https for file access. |
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| 22:31.36 | marco_ | abrotman, true, good point |
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| 22:32.14 | mentor | sarge was... never unstable? |
| 22:32.24 | PingFloyd | madd_matt: sarge gets the security updates from debian |
| 22:32.33 | Steve__ | PingFloyd wat do u use for a gui |
| 22:32.42 | PingFloyd | madd_matt: sid, and I believe etch also, does not |
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| 22:33.12 | PingFloyd | Steve__: I'm using icewm right now |
| 22:33.16 | madd_matt | PingFloyd, I know. I'm not totally concerned anyways; nobody is going to do a dedicated attack against me. |
| 22:33.29 | PingFloyd | madd_matt: you don't know that |
| 22:33.44 | sanmarcos | how can I make dpkg-reconfigure locales actually pop up the dialog (blue one) ? |
| 22:33.54 | twobitsp1ite | hmm... rxvt says that the resources it lists in the man page can also be used as long options... I've tried --<resource>=true, but it doesn't like that |
| 22:34.17 | twobitsp1ite | and it doesn't say how to use the resources as long options, just that you can |
| 22:34.20 | madd_matt | PingFloyd, Okay true. I have friends who like to be jerks :P. The only services web-side-wise i'll be running are apache and ssh. Those two packages; could I run the "stable" versions of? Or can i not mix-and-match like gentoo does? |
| 22:34.53 | PingFloyd | madd_matt: it's not a good idea to mix branches usually |
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| 22:35.24 | twobitsp1ite | madd_matt: you _can_... but most people think you _shouldn't_ |
| 22:35.29 | PingFloyd | madd_matt: go stable, testing, or unstable, and stick to it |
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| 22:35.42 | twobitsp1ite | madd_matt: besides, it's a pain |
| 22:35.47 | PingFloyd | twobitsp1ite: yeah, you can, but it's opening up a whole other can of worms to do so |
| 22:35.58 | twobitsp1ite | PingFloyd: yeah... |
| 22:36.15 | madd_matt | Yeah, i'm not going to be mixing branches, you'll be linking against wrong libraries and stuff, which is one advantage of going source-based :P |
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| 22:36.36 | twobitsp1ite | madd_matt: also, if you come in here asking why something doesn't work, and you tell you mixed stuff up, everyone will say "sorry, but we don't support that" |
| 22:36.53 | strange_device | is possible i change from the sources ... to change from x86_64 to x86 ?! making one apt-get update and upgrade ? |
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| 22:37.18 | madd_matt | twobitsp1ite, I can definately see from the developers side all the headaches that would happen ;) |
| 22:37.39 | Zarephath | I would like to install swiftfox...but am unsure which package I should install with a AMD3200+ processor...does it matter since the processor is 64bit? |
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| 22:39.15 | rhsanborn | Anyone know how to make the new build of firefrox recognize the java package |
| 22:39.25 | strange_device | Zarephath yes it matter there are some problems using 64 bits |
| 22:39.57 | Zarephath | strange_device: I am asking in the context of choosing the correct 32 bit package from the repo.. |
| 22:39.58 | jelly | strange_device: there's no way to "upgrade" to aonther architecure AFAIK. |
| 22:39.58 | PingFloyd | rhsanborn: is it the upstream firefox, or a package from debian's repo? |
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| 22:40.13 | rhsanborn | PingFloyd, debian...its iceweasel |
| 22:40.28 | twobitsp1ite | hmm... it seems like the debian build of rxvt doesn't support transperancy...? |
| 22:40.33 | alexey__ | anyone knows why webmin was removed from debian4 ? |
| 22:40.41 | justin | what is debian4? |
| 22:40.43 | twobitsp1ite | debian4? |
| 22:40.44 | rahul | alexey__: because it's crap |
| 22:40.45 | alexey__ | etch |
| 22:40.46 | blondie | alexey__: because it's a POS security hole probably |
| 22:41.00 | rahul | alexey__: it only causes problems and messes up configs |
| 22:41.05 | strange_device | Zarephath is you have some x86 install chose the x86 or i386 if not you need to chose some x86_64 to 64 bits processor |
| 22:41.12 | alexey__ | blondie>: webmin can work in HTTPS mode. |
| 22:41.12 | strange_device | jelly thanks :) |
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| 22:41.30 | Zarephath | strange_device: Kewl thanks |
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| 22:41.35 | blondie | !webmin |
| 22:41.36 | dpkg | methinks webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 22:41.46 | blondie | wow, iceweasel is in etch now |
| 22:42.03 | rhsanborn | blondie, aye |
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| 22:42.25 | jelly | alexey__: https doesn't make it inherently secure (or its codebase better) |
| 22:42.44 | karsten | blondie: ayup. And we'll be hearing people discover it's there for the next month.... |
| 22:42.49 | blondie | alexey__: it "can"? surely it would only work that way. |
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| 22:43.01 | karsten | alexey__: webim is crap. |
| 22:43.13 | karsten | alexey__: Write that on a chalkboard 1000 times. |
| 22:43.19 | jelly | karsten: but the real question is... is there anything better? |
| 22:43.19 | alexey__ | hmmm.... reading.... |
| 22:43.38 | karsten | jelly: ssh + screen + vim |
| 22:44.03 | twobitsp1ite | karsten: no... emacs!! *duck* |
| 22:44.03 | jelly | karsten: works for me, but for the one that liked clicking? |
| 22:44.07 | karsten | jelly: It's one of those inherently difficult problems. |
| 22:44.21 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: remote x tunneled through ssh...? |
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| 22:44.25 | jelly | karsten: yeah, like paying real admins. |
| 22:44.26 | rhsanborn | Anyone know how to point iceweasel to the java install? |
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| 22:44.34 | karsten | jelly: I'd say the real issue there is having a config management tool capable fo replicating a configuration across multiple servers. |
| 22:44.43 | karsten | jelly: Eg: cfengine. |
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| 22:45.02 | karsten | rhsanborn: Should work the same as FF. |
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| 22:45.50 | twobitsp1ite | hmm... so if the rxvt build doesn't support transperancy... what terminal do you all recommend (other than konsole/gnome-term) that does support transperancy |
| 22:46.06 | montoya | when the date of next release debian 4? |
| 22:46.07 | rahul | emacs+ssh+tramp |
| 22:46.16 | alexey__ | jelly> : you say that HTTPS doesn't make webmin secure. why u think so? |
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| 22:46.22 | karsten | montoya: Release day. |
| 22:46.28 | PingFloyd | twobitsp1ite: aterm |
| 22:46.30 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: rxvt-unicode or aterm |
| 22:46.36 | war | Anyone here run his/her own domain and also hosts the PRIMARY (Forward) DNS for it? |
| 22:46.42 | twobitsp1ite | montoya: debian folks don't like dates... they prefer to make it work first, however long that takes |
| 22:46.47 | rahul | !confuse montoya |
| 22:46.48 | dpkg | No, what was their ferret yesterday, montoya? breeches of the dictatorship of micronesia with extra herring |
| 22:46.56 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: is aterm relatively lightweight? |
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| 22:47.25 | jplibre | if you are doing fixed dhcp (with a MAC entry for each host/ip), what is the proper way to set up failover? I mean, if you have a shared pool the usual failover config makes sense, but I'm not clear on how to do this with a bunch of fixed addresses |
| 22:47.28 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: it's a fork of rxvt, just has tinting + the normal transparency |
| 22:47.38 | abrotman | war: ask a real question |
| 22:47.39 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: cool, thanks |
| 22:47.51 | twobitsp1ite | !ask |
| 22:47.51 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 22:47.55 | montoya | :( |
| 22:48.08 | twobitsp1ite | montoya: life's a bitch...? |
| 22:48.21 | montoya | hihihih |
| 22:48.34 | jelly | twobitsp1ite: if you (plan to) use a UTF-8 locale, look at rxvt-unicode-lite package |
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| 22:48.43 | infernix | jjazz: do you know if your colleagues with the bluetooth headsets run debian? |
| 22:48.57 | twobitsp1ite | jelly: nah... thanks though |
| 22:48.58 | blahdeblah | Hi. Is there a good tool in Debian for ripping audio from DVDs? |
| 22:49.01 | jjazz | infernix: Some are in Debian, some are in Ubuntu |
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| 22:49.05 | infernix | it appears the bluez-btsco package, which contains userspace tools for bluetooth audio, isnt in debian |
| 22:49.17 | Vme | stupid question, how do you check duplex settings? |
| 22:49.20 | infernix | ah. i'll go do some buildpackaging then |
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| 22:49.56 | jelly | alexey__: if you don't set up to allow only authorized clients, with client-side certificates, then anyone can access it. |
| 22:49.57 | twobitsp1ite | Vme: well... I don't know the answer, and I don't consider myself stupid, so... sounds like a good question to me |
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| 22:50.16 | mfrisch | infernix: look in apt-get.org? |
| 22:50.22 | jjazz | infernix: FWIW, it's packaged for Ubuntu. |
| 22:50.35 | infernix | yeah, i'll just find sources and build a .deb |
| 22:50.56 | abrotman | !info vsound sarge |
| 22:50.58 | alexey__ | jelly> : even without knowing the root password of the remote machine? |
| 22:51.06 | dpkg | vsound: (Virtual loopback sound recorder and real audio converter), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-3 (sarge), Packaged size: 14 kB, Installed size: 108 kB |
| 22:51.41 | jelly | alexey__: webmin is poorly written and has a history of security problems, so I'd say yes. |
| 22:52.07 | alexey__ | jelly>: hmmm.... |
| 22:52.24 | rahul | let alone the fact that it can break your configs left and right |
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| 22:52.48 | alexey__ | jelly>: ok, I'm not a programmer, but I always liked the concept of web-configuration of webmin |
| 22:52.58 | Niluje | hello |
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| 22:53.08 | madd_matt | Does the debian installer support using LVM? I won't be installing debian onto LVM, but i plan on making my data disks LVM. |
| 22:53.11 | me_here | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:53.11 | alexey__ | jelly>: so I dont know the state of the code, but are there any web-based alternatives? |
| 22:53.15 | dondelelcaro | madd_matt: yes. |
| 22:53.21 | mfrisch | alexey__: there are good specific web-based ui's |
| 22:53.27 | jelly | alexey__: no idea about free alternatives, sorry |
| 22:53.34 | alexey__ | which ones? (except CUPS :) ? |
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| 22:53.43 | dondelelcaro | madd_matt: although, if you're only using it for data, it doens't really matter if the installer supports it |
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| 22:54.18 | pothole | In an aptitude up grade would switching to the default 2.6testing kernel first help stop aptitude from removing my default 2.6sarge kernel? |
| 22:54.29 | mfrisch | alexey__: for what look around for program specific ui's there many for ldap for example |
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| 22:54.32 | madd_matt | dondelelcaro, I know. Can I get a shell on the installer? I need to migrate the data onto those disks before I install. I can always use a knoppix disk. |
| 22:54.43 | dondelelcaro | madd_matt: yes, there's two consoles by default with shells |
| 22:54.53 | dondelelcaro | pothole: if it's asking to remove it, you need to use unmarkauto to stop it, then continue on. |
| 22:55.12 | mfrisch | alexey__: even them I wouldn't let out on the Internet |
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| 22:55.13 | dondelelcaro | pothole: man aptitude; (and see the aptitude manual) for details on how to control the automatic removal of packages. |
| 22:55.35 | jelly | ... maybe it's trying to remove it because it's trying to keep (and upgrade) linux-image-2.6 virtual package |
| 22:55.46 | alexey__ | hmmm... I thought, that if it uses HTTPS, it is secure. |
| 22:55.57 | dondelelcaro | jelly: yes; it's just the old kernel is no longer depended upon by anything that is causing it |
| 22:56.14 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: no, because webmin has a whole linage of remote root exploits. |
| 22:56.32 | dondelelcaro | alexey__: https just secures data in transit; it has nothing to do with the actual security of the application. |
| 22:56.37 | jelly | alexey__: no. https per se doesn't make the application more secure, it just secures the channel between the client and the server |
| 22:56.55 | pothole | dondelelcaro: thanks I figured it was operator error on aptitude, dselect saved my ass this time. |
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| 22:57.03 | madd_matt | How dodgy is using deb-unstable as a web server? All it'll have of interest is some private files, which could easily be migrated to one of many free providers (or friends hosts :P) |
| 22:57.07 | mfrisch | alexey__: because they can change /etc/ they are insecure |
| 22:57.14 | Vme | how do you check speed/duplex settings? |
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| 22:57.24 | dondelelcaro | madd_matt: there's no reason to use unstable on a web server |
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| 22:57.54 | sly007 | What is your favorite bittorent client on linux? |
| 22:58.01 | madd_matt | dondelelcaro, its my desktop, i'm going to run unstable, I just serve a few documents to some people. |
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| 22:58.27 | madd_matt | sly007, I kinda like transmission, but it isn't the best feature-wise. (and some trackers ban it for not playing nice) |
| 22:58.29 | dondelelcaro | madd_matt: if you're comfortable with unstable and don't mind it breaking from time to time, go ahead. |
| 22:58.45 | dondelelcaro | sly007: rtorrent is my favorite; but pretty much anything which uses libtorrent is decent |
| 22:58.47 | alexey__ | ok, thanks for expanations |
| 22:59.40 | PingFloyd | http mainly prevents eavesdropping |
| 22:59.49 | PingFloyd | erm https |
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| 23:00.53 | RvGaTe | Note to self: NEVER allow a virtual machine grab 512mb ram... if you only have 512mb ram... :S |
| 23:01.13 | RvGaTe | i actually had to reboot linux to recover from that |
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| 23:01.41 | PingFloyd | RvGaTe: did it page like made? |
| 23:01.50 | PingFloyd | s/made/mad |
| 23:02.06 | RvGaTe | well, keystrokes were registered after like 5min |
| 23:02.11 | PingFloyd | hehe |
| 23:02.17 | Rockj | hmf. my /var/log partition shows that its using all 3.5GB of logs. 0 bytes free. but when i cd /var/log and du -sch it says 1001MB. Does this sound abit faulty? |
| 23:02.26 | PingFloyd | I had that happen once, with something else |
| 23:02.40 | Gnu_Raiz | what does du -h say |
| 23:02.47 | RvGaTe | so im trying to get in any console... to kill the app... took me ages to kill it |
| 23:02.53 | Gnu_Raiz | also df -h would be good as well. |
| 23:02.57 | PingFloyd | had it where gaim was spawning a new process of itself every time it played a sound |
| 23:03.08 | RvGaTe | hehe |
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| 23:03.13 | PingFloyd | didn't realize until too late, then killall gaim |
| 23:03.17 | dondelelcaro | RvGaTe: not necessarily; it's possible that you've got files which are still open by something but have been ulinked |
| 23:03.22 | PingFloyd | sat there thrashing like mad at that poitn |
| 23:03.25 | dondelelcaro | s/RvGaTe/Rockj/ |
| 23:03.29 | RvGaTe | Anyway, now i cant install Vista... becouse it wont let you install if you have less then 512 ram... :S |
| 23:03.35 | PingFloyd | man, I can't type for shit today |
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| 23:03.56 | Gnu_Raiz | RvGaTe: why would you want to install vista |
| 23:04.00 | PingFloyd | RvGaTe: why would you want to? :) |
| 23:04.11 | Gnu_Raiz | agree with PingFloyd :) |
| 23:04.16 | RvGaTe | im a webdeveloper/designer... |
| 23:04.22 | RvGaTe | just need to test it in every OS |
| 23:04.25 | mfrisch | that sh1t ain't out yet is it |
| 23:04.34 | Rockj | Gnu_Raiz: /dev/sdc5 3,2G 3,0G 0 100% /var/log |
| 23:04.53 | RvGaTe | mi hating vista already... cant even install it with 256mb ram |
| 23:04.57 | Gnu_Raiz | Rockj: ouch you need to do some cleanup man. |
| 23:05.26 | Rockj | Gnu_Raiz: /var/log# du -h -> 1002M . |
| 23:05.31 | mfrisch | Rockj: you have 3 gb of logs from how many years?? |
| 23:05.37 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: again, that doesn't mean anything. |
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| 23:05.39 | Gnu_Raiz | RvGaTe: just test it with ie7 should be good enough. |
| 23:05.53 | Rockj | but ive moved the logs over to another partition |
| 23:05.58 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: files which are unlinked but still have FDs open still use space. |
| 23:06.02 | Rockj | still there is no free space |
| 23:06.05 | RvGaTe | Gnu_Raiz, well, i guess... |
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| 23:06.28 | Rockj | dondelelcaro: ohh - can I check who's using it with lsof ? |
| 23:06.31 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: yes. |
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| 23:06.48 | Gnu_Raiz | RvGaTe: the reason is if it works with ie7, then it should work under any Windows version such as xp or vista. |
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| 23:07.11 | Gnu_Raiz | I know this might not be ideal, as we all know that quirks arise. |
| 23:07.20 | Rockj | ohh, ive tried moving apache logs, not weird they arn't moving - apache has lots of referrences to them |
| 23:07.34 | Rockj | Will shutting down apache for a restart making them unlink? |
| 23:07.42 | PingFloyd | *should* is the operative word, but remember, we're dealing with MS here :) |
| 23:07.43 | Gnu_Raiz | you could just blame Windows for that, as long as your html is to spec. |
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| 23:08.24 | unlink | Rockj: !?!?! |
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| 23:08.55 | Rockj | unlink: heh, you got a nice nick to trigger ;-) |
| 23:08.57 | PingFloyd | Gnu_Raiz: and then put a link for them to download a real OS like Debian on there :) |
| 23:09.00 | unlink | Rockj: :^) |
| 23:09.24 | dondelelcaro | Rockj: just a restart will do it |
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| 23:09.36 | bonez39 | printing question, or perhaps networking: I send print jobs to my default printer, using enscript, to print a text document..enscript returns OK...showing it's been sent, but lpstat -o shows that the jobs are all stacked up and NOT delivered...to a windows shared laser printer....how do I troubleshoot the bottleneck for the print jobs? |
| 23:09.36 | Gnu_Raiz | rolf, I agree or at least firefox, or iceweasel. |
| 23:09.45 | schwepp | hi, i've got a SYN_RECV in my netstat since two days... the remote port changes from time to time. what could that be? |
| 23:09.46 | bonez39 | samba is working, loaded ... |
| 23:09.51 | pablo_ | why does rms does not consider debian to be a complet free os? |
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| 23:10.04 | dondelelcaro | pablo_: because of non-free. |
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| 23:10.20 | Gnu_Raiz | pablo_: he doesn't care much for the kernel. |
| 23:10.24 | ttick | ugh. 4 hrs of working on getting SSL for Apache2 on Etch. This sucks. Still getting the -12263 error. No idea what's wrong. Regenerated the cert about 10 times now. Any ideas? |
| 23:11.08 | Gnu_Raiz | the whole /gnu/linux debate. |
| 23:11.08 | Rockj | : /dev/sdc5 3,2G 1,1G 2,0G 35% /var/log gracious. Alot better ;) |
| 23:11.08 | dondelelcaro | Gnu_Raiz: that actually has nothing to do with it |
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| 23:11.29 | root-forum | www.debian-forum.eu |
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| 23:11.34 | Gnu_Raiz | I wouldn't say nothing, has something to do with it, might not be the whole reason. |
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| 23:12.30 | dondelelcaro | Gnu_Raiz: no, it has nothing to do with it. We call the linux distribution Debian GNU/Linux for a reason. |
| 23:13.28 | Gnu_Raiz | he wanted to know why rms doesn't use debian, he left anyway! |
| 23:13.41 | dondelelcaro | rms actually used to use Debian |
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| 23:13.55 | pickcoder | schwepp: look at netstat -ap and see what program it is |
| 23:13.57 | dondelelcaro | I don't know if he still does. |
| 23:14.08 | zinx | dondelelcaro: he doesn't need to! now we have the Virtual RMS! |
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| 23:18.19 | twobitsprite | how do you get X to reload the .Xresources file without restarting? |
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| 23:18.51 | karsten | twobitsprite: xrdb -load .Xresources |
| 23:19.11 | karsten | twobitsprite: man xrdb |
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| 23:19.12 | twobitsprite | karsten: thanks again :) |
| 23:19.53 | jelly | karsten: wasn't that xrdb -merge .Xresources? I think load will clear the database? |
| 23:20.08 | jjazz | dondelelcaro: FWIW, he used my Ubuntu box recently. |
| 23:20.11 | karsten | jelly: Do I look like a man to you? |
| 23:20.15 | karsten | jelly: ... erm, manpage ;-) |
| 23:20.30 | jelly | karsten: no on both accounts ;-) |
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| 23:20.39 | karsten | jelly: Wrong on one ;-) |
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| 23:21.09 | twobitsprite | karsten: you're a manpage? :P |
| 23:21.28 | karsten | twobitsprite: I read it on teh Intarweb. It must be true. |
| 23:21.29 | twobitsprite | btw... load seems to work |
| 23:21.46 | Gnu_Raiz | http://www.stallman.org/stallman-computing.html |
| 23:22.00 | jelly | karsten: if you're a man('s) page, who's your liege? |
| 23:22.02 | Gnu_Raiz | had to dig a little for this! |
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| 23:22.36 | plb | how many blockers are left for etch? |
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| 23:23.02 | twobitsprite | ahh...... transparency with a decent font... I love you guys |
| 23:23.09 | Gnu_Raiz | oh he uses utoto for those who are curious. |
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| 23:24.21 | Steve__ | how do i install like freex86 or Xorg (do i need it?) |
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| 23:24.52 | sid | What module does the keyboard? psmouse does my mouse, if I "rmmod psmouse" the mouse won't work....what do I have to rmmod for the keyboard to not work? |
| 23:25.23 | amI64ornot | I'm thinking debian on my machine now since my last one burned up. How do I find out (from linux) if my Sempron-processor is 64bit or not? |
| 23:25.31 | blondie | sid: what kind of silly idea is that? |
| 23:25.41 | karsten | jelly: Are you suggesting I'm a man of leige-ure? |
| 23:26.05 | ofer0 | amI64ornot, paste /proc/cpuinfo |
| 23:26.46 | amI64ornot | ofer0: done that. What am I looking for? Something in "flags" that sais x86_64? |
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| 23:27.11 | sid | blondie: Some of the keys stopped working on my friends keyboard, he was messing with vmware, but he doesn't want to restart X, how can he just rmmod keyboard; and modprobe keyboard; to get all the keys to start working again without having to restart X? |
| 23:27.22 | ofer0 | amI64ornot, please paste it at rafb.net/paste |
| 23:27.39 | JerJer[mobile] | does anyone know if one can enable dir_index on SCSI drives? all the examples i find talk about hda (meaning IDE) |
| 23:27.44 | blondie | sid: is it usb? |
| 23:27.53 | amI64ornot | ofer0: will do. |
| 23:28.17 | amI64ornot | ofer0: http://rafb.net/p/WUI5Wh91.html |
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| 23:29.01 | sid | blondie: PS2 |
| 23:29.48 | x-- | !apache2 |
| 23:29.48 | dpkg | somebody said apache2 was a virtual package provided by one of the following packages: apache2-mpm-worker, apache2-mpm-prefork, apache2-mpm-perchild. Each package contains the apache2 server compiled with unique options - Read the description for each package and select the one right for you. You should also read the docs, which are in the apache2-doc package. |
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| 23:30.26 | jelly | karsten: I was just wondering about your al-liege-ances |
| 23:30.31 | x-- | which package contains apache2-ssl-certificate??? |
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| 23:31.49 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl cert |
| 23:32.02 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl key |
| 23:32.02 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 23:32.09 | dondelelcaro | x--: follow the instructions above. |
| 23:32.34 | sid | dondelelcaro: You know about PS2 keyboards? |
| 23:32.36 | ofer0 | amI64ornot, wait a sec. |
| 23:32.48 | jelly | JerJer[mobile]: dir_index is an option for ext3 filesystem. It doesn't matter how is your block device connected, your filesystem might be on hda1 or sda5 or ubda or mmc0p1 |
| 23:32.59 | dondelelcaro | sid: not a whole lot |
| 23:33.06 | amI64ornot | ofer0: sure. I'm just happy that someone will help me take a look at this. |
| 23:33.21 | sid | dondelelcaro: Is there a module to rmmod like there is for a mouse(psmouse)? |
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| 23:33.51 | dondelelcaro | sid: probably not in the default kernel; that's generally built in. |
| 23:33.59 | dondelelcaro | sid: I think you can build it as a module, though. |
| 23:34.12 | x-- | but where's apache2-ssl-certifate? |
| 23:34.18 | x-- | *certificate |
| 23:34.56 | dondelelcaro | sid: CONFIG_KEYBOARD_ATKBD <-- this is probably it. |
| 23:35.22 | dondelelcaro | x--: there isn't such a package because distributing a certificate in one is stupid. |
| 23:35.42 | jelly | JerJer[mobile]: so you can enable it on an ext3 filesystem even if the filesystem is on a scsi drive, yes |
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| 23:38.58 | freeone3000 | Anyone have information on libtorrent10? One package, rtorrent, claims to need it. I've google searched packages.debian.org, but it doesn't seem to be on there. |
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| 23:40.39 | freeone3000 | Aha. Nevermind, solved it. |
| 23:40.53 | freeone3000 | 30 more seconds of google saves looking like an idiot on irc. |
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| 23:41.47 | wimpies | in the standard debian, is there a process script, job cron or whatever that makes binary incremetal logs for mysql ? |
| 23:41.55 | infernix | bluetooth headset working in twinkle |
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| 23:44.02 | Maximiliano | hi... im trying to increase the console width... now it has 80x25 and i wanto have 135x45 or so.... i have put in /boot/grub/menu.lst file in te kernel line the following command VGA=791...but it doesnt work...what must i do? |
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| 23:49.03 | mfrisch | Maximiliano: maybe run grub-install? |
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| 23:49.47 | dellthinker | I've just installed the new sarge from the internet (the best way) and tried to bootup grub, but it stops |
| 23:49.59 | dellthinker | What gives? |
| 23:50.11 | dellthinker | My machine is a pentium 2.0GHz |
| 23:50.18 | dellthinker | So i know the speed isnt a problem |
| 23:50.37 | dellthinker | Any ideas? |
| 23:50.40 | HymnToLife | "the new sarge" ? |
| 23:50.52 | dellthinker | The newest one i d/led |
| 23:50.59 | mfrisch | dellthinker: slow down...how far does grub get |
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| 23:51.01 | dellthinker | However you mention it |
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| 23:51.21 | HymnToLife | Sarge has LILO, me thinks |
| 23:51.22 | dellthinker | mfrisch - hang on. let me go check |
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| 23:52.12 | dellthinker | mfrisch - Uncompressing Linux.....Ok starting kernel |
| 23:52.16 | dellthinker | Is as far as it goes |
| 23:52.41 | mfrisch | dellthinker: then your kernel is borked not grub |
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| 23:53.01 | dellthinker | mfrisch - i got the highest version |
| 23:53.05 | dellthinker | 2.6.* |
| 23:53.10 | dellthinker | Should i have gotten another? |
| 23:53.17 | Kerr | i just threw an old pci gfx card i found into my etch machine as a second card, 00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: Cirrus Logic GD 5446 (rev 45) Is there a quick way to get another monitor going? |
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| 23:53.52 | mfrisch | dellthinker: you should have started with the one that came with the cd. then go from there |
| 23:54.04 | dellthinker | mfrisch - i didnt install from cd |
| 23:54.09 | dellthinker | From inet |
| 23:54.26 | petemc | Kerr: http://yerma.org/~pete/temp/xorg.conf is the config i use for 2 cards |
| 23:54.34 | mfrisch | netinstall cd or netboot |
| 23:54.41 | dellthinker | netinstall |
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| 23:55.04 | mfrisch | dellthinker: you should have started with the one that came with the cd. then go from there |
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| 23:55.14 | dellthinker | ...... |
| 23:55.40 | dellthinker | I didnt ( did not) install using a CD ( compact disc ) |
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| 23:55.54 | dellthinker | I installed using my internet connection |
| 23:56.02 | dellthinker | It fetched the installation from mirror sites |
| 23:56.09 | mfrisch | help |
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| 23:56.19 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: yes, but which installer is the question |
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| 23:57.06 | dellthinker | PingFloyd - i made 3 floppies, one boot one root one drivers. And followed the instructions from there. What do you mean by which installer? |
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| 23:58.20 | mebsd | what tool to establish wireless lan |
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| 23:58.53 | dellthinker | It doesnt matter i guess. If the kernel i installed isnt good then i guess i'll do it over |
| 23:59.11 | mfrisch | dellthinker: use the iso |
| 23:59.11 | dellthinker | mfrisch - thanx for the kernel answer. |
| 23:59.18 | dellthinker | Its too big |
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| 23:59.27 | dellthinker | I was forced to install with my connection |
| 23:59.29 | jetscreamer | yes that's it. too big |
| 23:59.35 | mfrisch | 125 mb or 50mb |
| 23:59.37 | jetscreamer | !tell astro -about root |
| 23:59.46 | PingFloyd | dellthinker: where did you choose to install grub, during the installer? |