| 00:00.09 | karmatronic | abrotman, hi abortman |
| 00:00.17 | rahul | heh |
| 00:00.19 | rahul | abortman |
| 00:00.26 | abrotman | i hilight on it |
| 00:00.27 | amphi | heh |
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| 00:01.36 | karmatronic | abrotman, my mistake :Y |
| 00:02.21 | retryman | "nick not found. abort, retry, ignore?" |
| 00:04.33 | retryman | losers? where's my ignoreman? |
| 00:05.01 | ignoreman | im there |
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| 00:06.17 | retryman | wee |
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| 00:07.13 | jduggan | hi, where/how do i tell dhclient not to add default route and not to ammend resolv.conf |
| 00:07.43 | abrotman | it's in the man page |
| 00:08.05 | abrotman | at least for the resolv.conf .. not sure about the route .. but i would think it might be there |
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| 00:09.24 | McGee | who knows a fix workaround for smbmount messing with uid and gid? |
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| 00:09.50 | abrotman | #samba ? |
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| 00:10.39 | wastrel | "debian" |
| 00:10.42 | McGee | yes, seems like uid and gid in fstab does not effect the mounted files like told in the man page. |
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| 00:12.04 | abrotman | what is the host filesystem ? |
| 00:12.10 | retryman | McGee: does it have the "user" flag? |
| 00:12.10 | wastrel | affect |
| 00:12.18 | Inf3rn0 | g |
| 00:12.28 | retryman | yes, flags effecting files on a filesystem would be rather crazy |
| 00:12.31 | acemo | my touchpad in kde is being really slow, and my normal mouse doesnt even works, what can i do to fix this? |
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| 00:12.46 | abrotman | acemo: try #debian-kde .. probably a mouse control panel though |
| 00:13.02 | McGee | retryman, what to you mean by "user" flag ? |
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| 00:13.07 | acemo | k tnx |
| 00:13.12 | retryman | McGee: in the options |
| 00:13.20 | retryman | I assume that means it's not there |
| 00:13.57 | Guerin_ | ss |
| 00:14.13 | McGee | retryman, if you mean the "username" option in fstab... yes i have that. But im talking about the uid and gid options |
| 00:14.14 | retryman | dd |
| 00:14.24 | retryman | McGee: no, there's a user option, too |
| 00:14.29 | retryman | but anyway. |
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| 00:15.44 | McGee | retryman, you mean if a user can mount it? |
| 00:15.49 | retryman | yes |
| 00:15.55 | Andymeows | is there a free way to convert a cd iso to a dvd iso? |
| 00:16.02 | retryman | if that's on, then uid and gid will probably be ignored |
| 00:16.09 | retryman | Andymeows: growisofs |
| 00:16.17 | retryman | or something similar sounding... |
| 00:16.20 | Andymeows | thanks |
| 00:17.28 | Guerin_ | !test |
| 00:17.29 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 00:17.37 | retryman | heh |
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| 00:18.01 | McGee | retryman, presence of the user flag does not change the situation... |
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| 00:18.33 | Linux50 | hello everyone. how do i install openssh on my debian mips nas server. I tried apt-get install openssh |
| 00:18.46 | Linux50 | it did not work. Can someone tell me the correct way? |
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| 00:19.45 | wastrel | Linux50: there's no package named openssh in the repository. |
| 00:19.48 | dendrite | Linux50: What do you mean by "it did not work" ? |
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| 00:20.08 | Linux50 | what is the name of the package so I may install ssh> |
| 00:20.09 | Linux50 | ? |
| 00:20.12 | wastrel | Linux50: apt-cache search openssh will search packages for "openssh" the one you want is probably openssh-server |
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| 00:20.22 | Linux50 | sorry. Im new to debian |
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| 00:21.04 | McGee | Linux50, The package may as well be: ssh - Secure rlogin/rsh/rcp replacement (OpenSSH) |
| 00:21.07 | plugwash | if you are talking about etch openssh-client is the client, openssh-server is the server, and ssh is a metapackage that installs both |
| 00:21.23 | plugwash | in sarge (and woody and potato i think) both client and server are in the ssh package |
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| 00:21.31 | wastrel | yeah |
| 00:21.46 | Linux50 | okay. And if i had the package installed and I wanted to know what the name of the package was. What command would I use? |
| 00:22.41 | lnast | dpkg -l|less |
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| 00:22.52 | lnast | or more, if you use that, or most, if you use that |
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| 00:23.15 | wastrel | most eh |
| 00:23.27 | plugwash | if you wan't to know what package a particular file is in your best bet is the package contents search on http://packages.debian.org/ |
| 00:23.29 | lnast | indeed. |
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| 00:24.41 | h3sp4wn | apt-file is better than that (web interfaces are not too nice) |
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| 00:25.28 | lnast | indeed, unless your on dialup or otherwise slow connection |
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| 00:25.34 | wastrel | tomorrow is thursday |
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| 00:26.17 | plugwash | otoh it looks like apt-file has to be seperately updated |
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| 00:26.35 | plugwash | but i'm certainly going to put it in my woody chroot for when woody dissapears of packages.debian.org |
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| 00:26.45 | Linux50 | anyone here of freelink? |
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| 00:27.08 | Linux50 | its a powerpc version of debian? located at linkstationwiki.net |
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| 00:27.14 | loller | DCC SEND AOWITNAO)WTINAWTOINOWT#INAOWTINAOW#TINAOW#TINTAOINWT |
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| 00:27.29 | jelly-home | are there archives of old distro releases somewhere? |
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| 00:27.49 | jelly-home | !ops loller dcc send junk |
| 00:27.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jelly-home complains about: loller dcc send junk |
| 00:27.50 | h3sp4wn | archive.debian.org ? |
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| 00:27.52 | Guerin | jelly-home: archive.d.o |
| 00:27.57 | plugwash | http://archive.debian.org has the last point release of every major release |
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| 00:28.09 | mentor | hmmm |
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| 00:28.19 | jelly-home | Hmm... does it have contents of non-us.d.o too? |
| 00:28.21 | plugwash | i don't think the other point releases are archived anywhere official, snapshot.debian.net probablly has some but not all of them |
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| 00:29.50 | plugwash | hmm not sure, ftp.uk.debian.org still seems to have the package lists for non-us at least for woody but i can't find any evidence of the files themselves |
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| 00:30.01 | jelly-home | (i think it doesn't, or that it didn't for potato) |
| 00:30.05 | Eclipser | hum |
| 00:30.13 | Eclipser | anyone with sid have any problems with sound lately? |
| 00:30.26 | Linux50 | potato? ive heard of that. What is it (relating to linux) |
| 00:30.41 | Eclipser | potato is an ancient debian release |
| 00:30.46 | wastrel | potato |
| 00:30.49 | Linux50 | oh. okay |
| 00:31.04 | rahul | tomato |
| 00:31.16 | Eclipser | foo foo |
| 00:31.25 | Andymeows | what exactly is foo? |
| 00:31.27 | Eclipser | something broke my sounds |
| 00:31.32 | rahul | Andymeows: exactly |
| 00:31.44 | Andymeows | ah |
| 00:31.48 | dendrite | Andymeows: Look foo up in the jargon file. |
| 00:31.56 | rahul | it's a metasyntactic variable |
| 00:32.06 | Eclipser | Andymeows, a metasyntactic variable name |
| 00:32.15 | rahul | foo foo foo foo. is a template for a 4-word sentence |
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| 00:32.42 | Andymeows | like bar and baz? |
| 00:32.48 | dendrite | Andymeows: Yes. |
| 00:32.48 | rahul | well, actually, it's a template for a small family of them, which includes Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo. |
| 00:33.08 | Eclipser | aargh |
| 00:33.15 | Eclipser | I go nuts around here without sound! |
| 00:33.22 | dendrite | Andymeows: Foo can be handy, as a holder for very temporary data. The idea being if I see a file named "foo" on a system, I can be sure that It's trash. |
| 00:33.24 | Eclipser | without music.. |
| 00:33.45 | rahul | call a musician |
| 00:33.50 | rahul | ask them to jam for you |
| 00:33.58 | Eclipser | I rather fix my alsa or something that's broken it |
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| 00:34.11 | stoned | I'm a musician |
| 00:34.16 | stoned | a crappy one, but still a musician |
| 00:34.20 | rahul | it'll be easier if you have background music :) |
| 00:34.22 | rahul | heh |
| 00:34.30 | Eclipser | mplayer won't play sound and xmms2 (which I develop) just goes through the files as fast as a diskwriter output would |
| 00:34.36 | rahul | stoned musicians can be fun to listen to |
| 00:34.51 | rahul | actually, some of the best musicians I know play stoned. Zep cover band. |
| 00:35.04 | enouf | yep |
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| 00:35.51 | stoned | when you're high your sense of time slows down, gives you more time to think about rythems, textures, tonalities etc. |
| 00:36.05 | rahul | your brain speeds up, you mean |
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| 00:36.20 | enouf | your hearing also becomes heightened .. |
| 00:36.28 | rahul | "sense of time slows down" is a confusing phrase |
| 00:36.29 | snowbird | i upgraded to ecth no screens found |
| 00:36.57 | stoned | cannibinoid receptors are only found in those parts of the brain ascociated with the 5 senses |
| 00:36.58 | rahul | it's stoned's brother from another joint |
| 00:37.00 | enouf | !tell snowbird about testing borks |
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| 00:37.21 | wastrel | snowbird dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 00:37.58 | enouf | wastrel: it's a new(er) bad bug |
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| 00:37.58 | wastrel | ah |
| 00:37.59 | enouf | bah hum bug at that |
| 00:38.03 | enouf | !testing borks |
| 00:38.04 | dpkg | well, testing borks is [06 Jan 2007] http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Today , see "Current Issues" section for a known Xorg issue when installing Etch (or doing a sarge->etch dist-upgrade) .. If for some reason the steps outlined there; 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-all xserver-xorg-input-all' aren't fully fixing it; also then try 'apt-get install xserver-xorg-input-mouse xserver-xorg-input-kbd' |
| 00:38.05 | rahul | the bug hums? |
| 00:38.09 | plugwash | but before you do that make sure you have installed the appropriate xorg modules, if in doubt that means install xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-input-all |
| 00:38.35 | Eclipser | okay |
| 00:38.49 | Eclipser | snd-emu10k1 thinks my soundcard has been removed |
| 00:39.03 | Eclipser | my dmesg is totally flooded with error messages of that |
| 00:39.21 | plugwash | though its still not gauranteed they will install on upgrade if there is a conflict of some kind, particularlly if you use a tool that ignores reccomends to do the upgrade |
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| 00:39.35 | enouf | Eclipser: what's lspci say about it? |
| 00:39.38 | plugwash | i mean still not gauranteed even when the fix for that bug hits testing |
| 00:39.54 | Eclipser | 00:11.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Audigy (rev 04) |
| 00:40.13 | plugwash | ultimately the real problem is that debians package management tools have no concept of "this package needs one of theese *and* it must be the right one for the hardware" |
| 00:40.16 | enouf | so still recognized .. |
| 00:40.51 | enouf | plugwash: i tend to think it['s aXorg modular issue |
| 00:40.55 | rahul | plugwash: um, yeah |
| 00:41.00 | enouf | modularity |
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| 00:41.11 | rahul | I would hope the package management doesn't look at the hardware |
| 00:41.11 | Eclipser | uh |
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| 00:41.48 | enouf | lsmod .. still showing all necessary modules Eclipser? |
| 00:41.59 | abrotman | HEY! |
| 00:42.02 | enouf | Eclipser: might as well restart udev .. heh |
| 00:42.31 | rahul | HOI! |
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| 00:43.27 | enouf | LET"S GO! .. Blitzkreig Bop |
| 00:43.36 | plugwash | rahul it doesn't and thats the problem, debian has no proper system for handling installation of drivers |
| 00:43.43 | rahul | 6,000 miles of empty pavement / lost track of time and where the days went / too many lies and I'll never face them |
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| 00:44.07 | rahul | plugwash: that doesn't mean packages should be dependent on hardware. what if you install new hardware? |
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| 00:44.48 | plugwash | so it has to resort to installing all of them, but some people don't want all of the xorg drivers (which are only going to get bigger in terms of total size) so there has to be flexibility in the deps to allow that |
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| 00:45.33 | plugwash | but where there is flexibility in deps it becomes a lot harder to pridict how package managers which think that anything that satisfies the deps is ok will respond |
| 00:45.38 | rahul | and if it didn't, you would install a new video card and what would happen? |
| 00:45.48 | enouf | when I installed Xorg (as an upgrade from Xfree86) .. it loaded 'everything' .. since then it's become quite modular .. and it's basically a Desktop Tasksel issue (from what I can gather) .. |
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| 00:46.23 | rahul | installing a new NIC would go and download the driver and compile it against your kernel? I don't get it |
| 00:46.25 | tam | can you install vmware on windows but have the virtual machines files' on linux platform? |
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| 00:46.50 | cilkay | tam: Windows host, Linux guest, yes, or vice versa. |
| 00:47.05 | abrotman | or ask #vmware |
| 00:47.08 | tam | cilkay: not really like that |
| 00:47.15 | tam | abrotman: oh, didn't know such a channel existed |
| 00:47.21 | plugwash | another issue is that debian lacks a proper version updater, the generic package managers are expected to handle it |
| 00:47.29 | plugwash | which they do with varying degrees of sucess |
| 00:47.40 | rahul | version updater? |
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| 00:47.58 | rahul | is that supposed to mean somehting? :P |
| 00:48.12 | enouf | apt-listchanges? |
| 00:48.28 | rahul | what are generic package managers? |
| 00:48.31 | plugwash | something like ubuntus update-manager, right now upgrading between versions of debian is a mess |
| 00:48.54 | enouf | apt-index-watcher |
| 00:49.18 | enouf | plugwash: not for me .. |
| 00:49.45 | rahul | the whole point of debian is that upgrading between versions is possible |
| 00:50.08 | enouf | sarge->etch worked fine prior to this bug |
| 00:50.09 | plugwash | by generic package managers i mean things like apt and aptitude whose primary function is installing and removing software and which also do a good job of relatively simple updates like incremental updates on testing and installing stables security updates |
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| 00:50.28 | enouf | etch->sid .. we;ll, that's your mess |
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| 00:50.40 | plugwash | but aren't so hot on moving between releases |
| 00:50.50 | enouf | er one's mess .. and liability |
| 00:51.17 | rahul | plugwash: uh, that's what I mean by version |
| 00:51.57 | plugwash | maybe my terminology was bad but have you looked at the section in the etch release notes dedicated to updating from sarge? |
| 00:52.04 | rahul | aptitude DOES cope with distribution upgrades well |
| 00:52.18 | grothoff | I'm looking for some help with creating a new Debian package for i18nHTML (which I'm the author of). Specifically, I need help with automatically setting up the necessary mysql permissions (prompt user for mysql root password, execute mysql commands). |
| 00:52.52 | grothoff | Is there anyone here familiar with dpkg who'd be willing to help (this is not an official Debian package (yet)). |
| 00:53.12 | pipeline | grothoff: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 00:53.19 | pipeline | plugwash: err, what? |
| 00:53.29 | Guerin | grothoff: #debian-mentors is probably the place |
| 00:53.30 | pipeline | plugwash: Debian is explicitly intended to be easy to upgrade between releases. |
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| 00:53.43 | plugwash | rahul then why are there many pages in the release notes about upgrading? a proper tool for the job should mean one command and maybe a few questions not a many page walkthrough |
| 00:53.45 | grothoff | pipeline: yes, I've been reading that guide -- the package is half-way there, but where in the guide is prompting for passwords discussed? |
| 00:53.47 | Eclipser | enouf, found the problem, it was physical |
| 00:53.56 | pipeline | grothoff: You're expected to know how to use gpg :P |
| 00:53.57 | rahul | plugwash: what is unexpected in that guide? |
| 00:54.09 | rahul | plugwash: most of it tells you how to use the tools |
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| 00:54.21 | rahul | plugwash: and to make sure you don't screw yourself over by doing something silly |
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| 00:54.47 | grothoff | pipeline: I prefer using libgcrypt directly. |
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| 00:54.57 | pipeline | grothoff: set the DEBEMAIL variable to an email for which a key is present in your user's keyring |
| 00:55.13 | grothoff | pipeline: did you even read my question? |
| 00:55.29 | rahul | plugwash: most of the issues are with specific packages that have gone through major upgrades, like apache -> apache2 or exim -> exim4 |
| 00:55.38 | rahul | and of course xf86 -> xorg |
| 00:55.39 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 00:55.40 | dpkg | well, mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 00:55.56 | cilkay | Is it possible to specify additional packages in a debootstrap installation? |
| 00:56.02 | grothoff | pipeline: I want to prompt the user for the root password of the mysql database, signing the package is not the issue here. |
| 00:56.14 | enouf | Eclipser: fastubulous .. thanks for the update .. keep rockin in the free world! |
| 00:56.18 | enouf | + on |
| 00:56.37 | enouf | er fantabulous even .. |
| 00:56.56 | Eclipser | :) |
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| 00:57.18 | Eclipser | the problem was my midi port was was touching the hull of the box I think |
| 00:57.43 | rahul | \m/ |
| 00:58.20 | pipeline | grothoff: Oh, hah, totally different problem. Yeah, you need to have some debconf items. The NMG can help you with that. |
| 00:58.20 | grothoff | Section? |
| 00:58.21 | enouf | Eclipser: that'll do it .. but who would've guessed .. |
| 00:58.22 | cilkay | I'm using debootstrap to install Etch into a Xen VPS and find that I have to install a few more packages in my minimal system. How can I specify that those additional packages, e.g. Postfix, should be installed by debootstrap? |
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| 00:58.42 | sid | What is a website where I can tell what wireless chipset for a particular model # card? I want to know if this wireless card will work with Debian GNU/LInux. |
| 00:58.45 | rahul | hmm, the case should be ground as should the sleeve around the port |
| 00:58.49 | sid | http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=254700 |
| 00:58.51 | sid | That card. |
| 00:58.59 | rahul | ground to ground should not be considered a short :P |
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| 00:59.38 | Joshua__ | i have now fatal error 10 x wont load |
| 00:59.38 | cilkay | sid: you can't rely on that. Some (many?) manufacturers change chipsets for the *same* model number. |
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| 00:59.48 | Joshua__ | any ideas? |
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| 01:00.05 | cilkay | Joshua__: look in the logs. It should tell you why. |
| 01:00.20 | rahul | cilkay: mostly, just linksys does that |
| 01:00.23 | Joshua__ | how do i read em? |
| 01:00.26 | enouf | Eclipser: ensure teh card is seated securely and properly .. also that the screw to case backplane is tightened |
| 01:00.28 | Joshua__ | links were? |
| 01:00.31 | cilkay | rahul: NetGear too |
| 01:00.32 | plugwash | lets see, i have to find my way to a text terminal or ssh link (not supposed to do it from inside X) manually change sources.list, manually start a log of the upgrade in case things go wrong, manually update the package lists, manually upgrade aptitude (which may be complicated by it trying to remove stuff when i try to manually upgrade aptitude), manually start the dist-upgrade (and hope it suggests something sane which wasn't the case for one woody-sarge |
| 01:00.47 | rahul | cilkay: hmm, I think they put a suffix for that ususally |
| 01:01.05 | rahul | cilkay: but the retailer may gloss over that issue.... |
| 01:01.13 | enouf | I hear any Ralink chipset is linux friendly .. for wireless .. yes? |
| 01:01.19 | enouf | or most any |
| 01:01.24 | Joshua__ | cilkay logs were? |
| 01:01.39 | amphi | enouf: I can vouch for rt2500 ;) |
| 01:01.54 | enouf | amphi: ok :-) |
| 01:02.05 | enouf | I'm getting that info from fsf.org |
| 01:02.09 | Joshua__ | can some on help me get x back? |
| 01:02.12 | enouf | leemme find the link |
| 01:02.12 | amphi | enouf: which is a bg card |
| 01:02.41 | plugwash | upgrading debian should be as easy as installing debian, right now its much harder at least if you follow the official procedure |
| 01:02.41 | Joshua__ | need help |
| 01:02.47 | amphi | the rt2500 I saw was a cardbus one, FWIW |
| 01:03.00 | plugwash | some people blindly use dist-upgrade ofc but that is stronly reccomended against |
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| 01:03.33 | peterS | plugwash: blindly doing _any_ kind of system upgrade is not something anyone should recommend. do you honestly believe people who can't do the steps you outlined should be upgrading their machines at all? |
| 01:03.35 | enouf | amphi: et al http://www.fsf.org/campaigns/hardware.html/view?searchterm=wifi |
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| 01:03.42 | Inf3rn0 | Whats the command for removing a direcotry with all its content |
| 01:03.43 | Inf3rn0 | ? |
| 01:03.48 | peterS | Inf3rn0: rm -r |
| 01:03.52 | rahul | !unixbasics |
| 01:03.53 | enouf | "Cards that use the Ralink RT2500 Chipset" |
| 01:03.58 | rahul | !unixintro |
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| 01:04.02 | rahul | wtf |
| 01:04.13 | peterS | rahul: /msg dpkg listkeys unix |
| 01:04.19 | rahul | bleh |
| 01:04.20 | plugwash | peterS so you'd rather they ran whatever version they initially installed forever |
| 01:04.29 | Inf3rn0 | ls |
| 01:04.30 | enouf | amphi: bg? .. Buffalo or Belkin? er.. |
| 01:04.32 | Inf3rn0 | rofl |
| 01:04.45 | Joshua__ | please help me get x back |
| 01:04.55 | peterS | plugwash: I don't see a need for a big red button anybody might hit "because it's there" that has a chance of breaking their systems in a way they won't know what to do with |
| 01:04.56 | rahul | http://freeengineer.org/learnUNIXin10minutes.html |
| 01:05.02 | amphi | enouf: 802.11bg |
| 01:05.18 | enouf | amphi: doh 802.11b/g .. doh |
| 01:05.33 | enouf | yeah .. finally got it on my own :-P |
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| 01:05.56 | Joshua__ | cilkay here are my logs glcore and speedo failed |
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| 01:06.45 | enouf | is sid dead? |
| 01:07.00 | wastrel | sid lives on in our hearts |
| 01:07.19 | cilkay | Joshua__: Don't know. Cheat sheet: boot with a live Linux CD and take a look at its xorg.conf. I've used that to troubleshoot such problems before. |
| 01:07.40 | Joshua__ | cilkay can u ssh? |
| 01:07.57 | grothoff | pipeline: Still there? I did go over the maintainer guide but could not find any details. That's why I asked for the section number. |
| 01:07.58 | cilkay | to your machine, sorry no. I'm busy right now. |
| 01:08.07 | Joshua__ | geez |
| 01:08.22 | plugwash | most of the potential problems listed in the release notes are things that could be easilly codified into a script for a proper upgrade tool, that would be much better than people blindly ending up with know kernel installed because they don't know any better than to just blindly use dist-upgrade |
| 01:08.26 | Joshua__ | cilkak if i load live cd can u help me? |
| 01:08.47 | plugwash | *no kernel installed |
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| 01:10.04 | enouf | Joshua__: explain your issue |
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| 01:10.22 | Joshua__ | i did upgrade to etch |
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| 01:10.39 | Joshua__ | now i get glcore and speeder no load |
| 01:10.40 | enouf | !tell Joshua__about testing borks |
| 01:10.46 | Joshua__ | i read books |
| 01:10.47 | enouf | !tell Joshua__ about testing borks |
| 01:10.49 | Joshua__ | been there |
| 01:10.56 | Joshua__ | the books dont help |
| 01:10.57 | plugwash | right now i put debian in the category of deceptively easy to install compared to how much trouble it is to work with after that which is all to common with opensource projects |
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| 01:13.15 | Shendar | can you tell me adress packages searching site? |
| 01:13.25 | Joshua__ | books dont help |
| 01:13.28 | Joshua__ | any ideas |
| 01:13.29 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 01:13.33 | Shendar | thx |
| 01:13.35 | abrotman | !tell Shendar about search |
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| 01:13.38 | Joshua__ | abortman |
| 01:13.43 | abrotman | hi |
| 01:13.50 | dan2 | what package do I need to install to get all the bash completion stuff |
| 01:13.54 | Joshua__ | i read books on my etch upgrade |
| 01:13.55 | abrotman | just enable it |
| 01:14.01 | Joshua__ | x org failed |
| 01:14.07 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 01:14.09 | Shendar | hmm.. i mean unofficial |
| 01:14.13 | Joshua__ | abortman i get two errors |
| 01:14.16 | dan2 | abrotman: huh |
| 01:14.23 | enouf | amphi: fwiw .. more comprehensive http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 01:14.30 | enouf | it appears |
| 01:14.31 | gimmulf_ | Is there a file where i add which users who is allowed to run "sudo" ? |
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| 01:14.38 | abrotman | dan2: /etc/bash.bashrc |
| 01:14.44 | abrotman | Joshua__: are you going to share them ? |
| 01:14.45 | amphi | !tell enouf about wireless |
| 01:14.46 | dan2 | abrotman: how about for zsh |
| 01:14.48 | amphi | ;) |
| 01:15.00 | abrotman | dan2: wtf .. |
| 01:15.06 | enouf | amphi: think I should add it ? |
| 01:15.06 | abrotman | dan2: ask your real question damn you |
| 01:15.17 | Joshua__ | glcore won t load |
| 01:15.22 | Joshua__ | speeder wont load |
| 01:15.32 | enouf | amphi: or in conflict with? |
| 01:15.33 | amphi | enouf: the tourilhes(sp?) link is of use IMHO |
| 01:15.45 | enouf | apt: ok .. lessee |
| 01:15.56 | peterS | Joshua__: you said that already. give us some new information. like posting your log file somewhere. |
| 01:15.58 | dan2 | abrotman: bash is a crappy shell. I want zsh completion working right |
| 01:16.05 | Joshua__ | its on another pc |
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| 01:16.10 | dan2 | abrotman: on Ubuntu it was even doing complete when I typed in hosts in my hostsfile |
| 01:16.13 | abrotman | dan2: afaik .. it's built in |
| 01:16.21 | Joshua__ | how wold i put it on usb k then i could give it to u |
| 01:16.30 | peterS | Joshua__: you're not going to get any help if you don't give us any information. I don't care if it's on another PC, that's your problem, not ours |
| 01:16.36 | dan2 | abrotman: how come I can't get it working properly |
| 01:16.38 | cureless | dan2: zsh is the bomb! |
| 01:16.39 | dan2 | i.e. hosts completion |
| 01:16.42 | enouf | amphi: --> Updated 23 November 05 |
| 01:16.46 | enouf | heh |
| 01:16.49 | abrotman | dan2: there you go .. ask cureless |
| 01:16.49 | cureless | dan2: what problems are you having? |
| 01:17.18 | cureless | abrotman: you don't use zsh? |
| 01:17.19 | dan2 | cureless: how do I get zsh complete working for my hosts file? |
| 01:17.23 | amphi | enouf: I nearly added a caveat about not knowing how up to date it was ;) |
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| 01:17.51 | abrotman | cureless: i've used csh/ksh/bash and a few others sporadically .. could i please *not* learn another ? |
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| 01:18.15 | enouf | !msg dpkg wireless |
| 01:18.20 | enouf | bah |
| 01:18.24 | cureless | abrotman: it's mostly bash compatible but better, no need to learn too much |
| 01:18.30 | Guerin | mm, how do I see the mac address of a wireless device? |
| 01:18.39 | abrotman | cureless: iknow .. the 'mostly' part is the problem :) |
| 01:18.40 | enouf | !wireless |
| 01:18.41 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless, or see http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html |
| 01:18.42 | AlexFicelle | gimmulft: Try "man visudo"... |
| 01:18.42 | Guerin | in ifconfig the hardware address looks too long |
| 01:18.43 | abrotman | Guerin: ifconfig -a |
| 01:18.43 | h3sp4wn | cureless: more like ksh than bash |
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| 01:18.51 | enouf | look ok amphi? .. others? |
| 01:19.05 | peterS | Guerin: how long is too long? |
| 01:19.10 | cureless | h3sp4wn: ksh is the lower common denominator, but I compare it to bash rather than kse |
| 01:19.13 | cureless | ksh* |
| 01:19.27 | cureless | dan2: what's not working? it should be autocompleting by default from hosts |
| 01:19.29 | abrotman | ksh was my pain on AIX :) |
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| 01:19.36 | dan2 | cureless: it's not |
| 01:19.40 | amphi | enouf: seems fine to me |
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| 01:19.59 | cureless | dan2: did you run compinit? |
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| 01:20.03 | AlexFicelle | Does anybody know whether iceweasel (equivalent firefox 2) will make it into testing? |
| 01:20.22 | dan2 | cureless: no |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | AlexFicelle: i believe it's supposed to .. but hasn't yet obviously |
| 01:20.23 | Guerin | peterS: eth1 Link encap:UNSPEC HWaddr 00-0D-F0-17-DF-F7-30-3A-00-00-00-00-00-00-00-00 |
| 01:20.29 | abrotman | cut off some! |
| 01:20.32 | dan2 | dan@cherrycoke ~ % compinit |
| 01:20.32 | dan2 | zsh: command not found: compinit |
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| 01:20.46 | abrotman | install it |
| 01:20.51 | peterS | Guerin: ah, 16 bytes rather than 6, that does look a bit long. I don't know how to extract a classic 'mac address' from that |
| 01:20.55 | RichiH | the iceweasel, still as shitty its preferences menu is |
| 01:20.58 | cureless | dan2: run compinit try again |
| 01:21.17 | dan2 | cureless: not working |
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| 01:21.23 | enouf | gimmulf_: man sudoers man visudo |
| 01:21.24 | AlexFicelle | abrotman: install iceweasel, into testing? how? |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | 00-0D-F0-17-DF-F7-30-3A |
| 01:21.29 | cureless | dan2: compinit or the autocomplete? |
| 01:21.38 | abrotman | AlexFicelle: just be patient |
| 01:21.39 | cureless | abrotman: sharing your keys? |
| 01:21.47 | dan2 | cureless: compinit isn't working |
| 01:21.51 | abrotman | cureless: that's Guerin's MAC |
| 01:21.55 | Guerin | peterS: that was in `monitor' mode; in `ad-hoc' mode it's eth1 Link encap:Ethernet HWaddr 00:0D:F0:17:DF:F7 |
| 01:22.04 | RichiH | AlexFicelle: from personal experience, i can tell you that ff2 is nothing to get exited about |
| 01:22.05 | Azar | hell o honorables |
| 01:22.06 | AlexFicelle | abrotman: OK, I thought you were talking to me when saying "install it", sorry... |
| 01:22.10 | peterS | Guerin: ahh |
| 01:22.15 | Azar | woody has been archived :( |
| 01:22.17 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 01:22.22 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 01:22.29 | Guerin | but I don't get why it's different |
| 01:22.35 | dan2 | cureless: got it |
| 01:22.36 | cureless | dan2: you need to load it first, put the following 2 lines on your .zshrc: "autoload -U compinit" "compinit" |
| 01:22.36 | Guerin | mostly on account of me being ignorant |
| 01:22.40 | Azar | so if I install woody from my cd, no more packages for it anymore? |
| 01:23.00 | abrotman | Guerin: MACv6 :) |
| 01:23.00 | pipeline | Azar: woody will be dead pretty soon :P |
| 01:23.00 | cureless | dan2: working now? |
| 01:23.02 | dan2 | ya |
| 01:23.11 | Azar | pipeline: woody is the only version I know how to install |
| 01:23.11 | peterS | Azar: that just means you have to use an archive.debian.org mirror instead of a debian mirror |
| 01:23.15 | Guerin | abrotman: ah, ok. |
| 01:23.16 | AlexFicelle | RichiH: Why not? I already use it at work both on Ubuntu and Windows. I especially like the spell checker in the input boxes. But it's true the reorganization of menus is puzzling. |
| 01:23.24 | cureless | dan2: don't worry, one day the masses will see the light and switch to a real shell |
| 01:23.27 | Azar | ayyy! thanks peterS :) |
| 01:23.34 | dan2 | cureless: it really is better |
| 01:23.39 | abrotman | Guerin: that was a joke |
| 01:23.49 | dan2 | ~zsh |
| 01:23.52 | apt | Powerful UNIX shell. URL: http://www.zsh.org/ |
| 01:24.00 | Guerin | abrotman: ... |
| 01:24.05 | abrotman | Guerin: !!! |
| 01:24.08 | RichiH | AlexFicelle: i have to admit that the spell checker is kind of old and underwhelming, but then, i have probably been using konqueror for too long |
| 01:24.11 | stoned | I am building another c2d system for a buddy. 700$ budget build. e6300/1gb 667 ram, OC to 3.0ghz. Not a gaming system, so making do with a 7300nvidia. He wants debian! First time in my life someone asked me to install debian in thier system and show them how it works etc. The guy doesn't even want windows! |
| 01:24.11 | abrotman | Azar: you really shouldn't be using woody anymore |
| 01:24.21 | Azar | abrotman: is good for older hardware |
| 01:24.25 | RichiH | !c2d |
| 01:24.31 | Guerin | abrotman: this newfandangled wireless shennanigan is all geek to me |
| 01:24.33 | abrotman | Azar: how old is your hardware ? |
| 01:24.34 | enouf | dan2 find this file and read it ./usr/share/doc/bash/README.bash_completion.gz |
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| 01:24.36 | RichiH | stoned: wazzat |
| 01:24.41 | stoned | RichiH, what up man |
| 01:24.43 | abrotman | Guerin: just wait til you get bluetooth :) |
| 01:24.46 | AlexFicelle | RichiH: You've got spell checking in Konqueror? |
| 01:24.47 | Azar | abrotman: I have boxes like five years old |
| 01:24.47 | dan2 | enouf: bash sucks |
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| 01:24.55 | streuner | huhu RichiH |
| 01:25.00 | RichiH | stoned: sun, stars, clouds, pigs, the usual stuff |
| 01:25.02 | enouf | dan2: you asked about vash_compleyion you dick |
| 01:25.03 | RichiH | arr streuner |
| 01:25.05 | abrotman | Azar: i have sarge running on boxes that are 10+ years old |
| 01:25.26 | Azar | abrotman: wow.. |
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| 01:25.33 | enouf | [20:07:40] <dan2> what package do I need to install to get all the bash completion stuff |
| 01:25.41 | RichiH | the other day, i was in here and literally _noone_ i knew was around |
| 01:25.48 | dan2 | enouf: meant zsh |
| 01:25.48 | RichiH | which was kinda scary |
| 01:25.57 | abrotman | RichiH: were they all doing the 'lol' and 'u' crap? :) |
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| 01:26.04 | Azar | when etch going to come up I forsee I will have lots of installs to repeat.. |
| 01:26.16 | streuner | RichiH. yeah, that was last weekend, it happens to me too ;-) |
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| 01:26.18 | abrotman | Azar: you could just dist-upgrade |
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| 01:26.39 | D0ug | is there a version of mplayer for debian stable? |
| 01:26.43 | cureless | enouf, dan2: hehe, that document says zsh is better |
| 01:26.45 | Azar | abrotman: that is all I know: install woody then dist-upgrade... rather than use the new sarge installer |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | Azar: maybe you should actually help us test the etch installer on your 'ancient' hardware |
| 01:27.32 | abrotman | !tell D0ug about debian multimedia |
| 01:27.36 | Azar | :) good idea, but one bad thing: I suck at burning cds |
| 01:27.39 | abrotman | !tell D0ug about debian-multimedia |
| 01:27.46 | abrotman | Azar: burn slower |
| 01:27.53 | Azar | if I could order the etch cd, that be nice |
| 01:28.23 | Azar | I started with someone here last week trying to learn how to burn isos... it did not work |
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| 01:28.43 | Azar | destroyed like 3 cds already |
| 01:28.54 | tolecnal | Azar: it's done in a jiffy if k3b if you like a graphical user interface |
| 01:28.57 | RichiH | abrotman: thankfully not. still, i felt old :/ |
| 01:28.59 | abrotman | burn slower god damn it |
| 01:29.06 | abrotman | RichiH: you are old :) |
| 01:29.18 | Azar | tolecnal: I suck so badly I can't burn not even in windows os a cd |
| 01:29.22 | RichiH | streuner: it was literaly the other day, meaning yesterday, but if that happens often, then i am afraid |
| 01:29.32 | RichiH | abrotman: up yours, too :) |
| 01:29.36 | Azar | when I tried to get woody three years ago, I destroyed 27 cds |
| 01:29.40 | abrotman | RichiH: oh wait .. you mean last night ? |
| 01:29.41 | streuner | RichiH: hm |
| 01:29.49 | abrotman | Azar: BURN SLOWER |
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| 01:30.15 | streuner | RichiH: it happens not that often, when abrotman and Guerin aren't here ... ;-) |
| 01:30.23 | Azar | um ok I will keep that in mind |
| 01:30.32 | abrotman | i noticed last night that there were a few ramblers |
| 01:30.36 | RichiH | abrotman: no, i meant the other night yesterday. it's the slice of time i like to call paula |
| 01:30.40 | abrotman | Azar: like 4x |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | RichiH: right after Sara ? |
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| 01:31.08 | timewriter | !gnome |
| 01:31.09 | dpkg | gnome is probably a desktop environment - see http://www.gnome.org. a little dwarf, or a race in d&d, see #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org, or - to get gnome, ask about <install gnome>, or the human G-nome |
| 01:31.16 | timewriter | !install gnome |
| 01:31.17 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 01:31.19 | RichiH | streuner: what is better, though? having noone i know or having those two around? |
| 01:31.20 | abrotman | timewriter: MSG THE BOT |
| 01:31.21 | Azar | Guerin how is missus? |
| 01:31.25 | timewriter | ok sorry |
| 01:31.34 | D0ug | abrotman, what do I type in for Distrobution, and Section? |
| 01:31.35 | timewriter | u know how to install latest gnome , on sarge ? |
| 01:31.42 | abrotman | D0ug: eh ? |
| 01:31.44 | streuner | RichiH: if you want help? ;-) |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | !tell timewriter about bpo |
| 01:31.54 | RichiH | timewriter: apt-get update && apt-get install gnome gdm |
| 01:31.56 | D0ug | for that other repository that dpkg told me about |
| 01:32.02 | abrotman | D0ug: where? in synaptic ? |
| 01:32.13 | Azar | D0ug: sarge is frozen: no new distros or upgrades to packages but only the security ones |
| 01:32.16 | timewriter | RichiH that would bring an older version |
| 01:32.21 | abrotman | Azar: settle down |
| 01:32.36 | timewriter | abrotman , the latest gnome would be in the backports repos ? |
| 01:32.40 | RichiH | timewriter: ah, i thought you meant the newest one which is in sarge |
| 01:32.40 | D0ug | yes |
| 01:32.51 | D0ug | what section do I tell it to look in |
| 01:32.52 | abrotman | timewriter: uhm .. i think it's 2.14.x |
| 01:33.01 | D0ug | and what distrobution |
| 01:33.01 | timewriter | i want 2.16 :( |
| 01:33.02 | RichiH | timewriter: if they are anywhere semi-official, they would be in bpo, ye |
| 01:33.03 | RichiH | s |
| 01:33.06 | abrotman | D0ug: main non-free contrib .. and sarge |
| 01:33.14 | RichiH | streuner: help or abuse ;) |
| 01:33.15 | D0ug | thank you |
| 01:33.20 | D0ug | is sarge stable? |
| 01:33.36 | amphi | D0ug: sarge is moribund ;) |
| 01:33.36 | streuner | RichiH: times changes â„¢ |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:33.48 | cureless | D0ug: sarge is "Debian stable" and it is also stable |
| 01:34.03 | D0ug | thank you; I just wanted to know that :) |
| 01:34.06 | streuner | RichiH: and that happens not only here... |
| 01:34.28 | RichiH | streuner: not true, each day, the same hours come along |
| 01:34.30 | RichiH | q.e.d. |
| 01:34.42 | RichiH | WRTSL54GS?! |
| 01:34.59 | RichiH | back when i was young, we had to do with a WRT54G |
| 01:35.10 | streuner | RichiH: hm, there a lot of new people who are cool |
| 01:35.14 | Cyis | RichiH: LinkSys cable/dsl router+AP ... also has USB for storage link |
| 01:35.20 | abrotman | RichiH: you are old! |
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| 01:35.38 | streuner | abrotman: your are old, but not wise :-) |
| 01:35.49 | RichiH | Cyis: can it cook coffee |
| 01:35.58 | abrotman | streuner: you're older |
| 01:36.15 | RichiH | streuner: i would sure hope so. our largest disadvantage has always been the hostile environment of this channel |
| 01:36.17 | Cyis | RichiH: It's just a WRT45GS + NSLU2 |
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| 01:36.28 | abrotman | streuner: you're like .. OLD! |
| 01:36.32 | RichiH | Cyis: still, the acronym is huge ;) |
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| 01:38.35 | Azar | who is oldest? |
| 01:38.51 | streuner | paulswm |
| 01:38.57 | abrotman | paulswm was probably the oldest |
| 01:39.00 | streuner | but he is rarely here |
| 01:39.11 | Azar | wow, then he can probably would like to adopt me |
| 01:39.21 | abrotman | he's only 11 years older than streuner though :) |
| 01:39.27 | streuner | haha |
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| 01:39.31 | Azar | grumpy old men |
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| 01:39.53 | Azar | to me Guerin looks the oldest |
| 01:39.58 | streuner | haha |
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| 01:40.05 | RichiH | how old is streuner, then? |
| 01:40.14 | abrotman | 71 or something |
| 01:40.16 | streuner | 44 |
| 01:40.25 | Azar | on what he say he is 11 years younger than abrotman? |
| 01:40.36 | abrotman | no .. i'm younger than streuner by a good bit |
| 01:40.37 | enouf | cureless you mean this little spiddle? --> A. Absolutely not. zsh has an extremely sophisticated completion system. |
| 01:40.57 | RichiH | streuner: are you still able to walk unaided? |
| 01:41.14 | cureless | enouf: yes |
| 01:41.21 | snowbird | were can i get i686 net install |
| 01:41.41 | abrotman | i386 ? |
| 01:41.44 | streuner | RichiH: no, if i live like the last 6 weeks, i sleep between chair and desk ;-) |
| 01:41.51 | enouf | ahh .. one day .. once I know enough about shells, I'll take a gander |
| 01:41.54 | RichiH | snowbird: you just get the i386 one |
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| 01:42.04 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:42.13 | RichiH | streuner: you can hover? |
| 01:42.14 | RichiH | neat! |
| 01:42.46 | cureless | enouf: you don't need to know enouf , just try to venture one day to zsh. do you use bash? if you're not a power user you won't notice the difference (mostly) |
| 01:42.55 | cureless | (put not intended) |
| 01:43.06 | enouf | cureless: hence my point .. just learnin |
| 01:43.09 | cureless | pun* |
| 01:43.21 | snowbird | can u use disck one as net install? |
| 01:43.23 | enouf | !punsmite cureless |
| 01:43.27 | enouf | heh |
| 01:43.31 | enouf | :-) |
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| 01:43.37 | abrotman | !tell snowbird about u |
| 01:43.52 | streuner | RichiH: 'hover'? |
| 01:44.00 | enouf | snowbird: ?? you mean CD1 or the netinstall? .. either will work |
| 01:44.01 | RichiH | streuner: schweben |
| 01:44.06 | abrotman | between the desk and the chair |
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| 01:44.11 | snowbird | cd1 |
| 01:44.18 | streuner | RichiH: axo |
| 01:44.32 | enouf | snowbird: sure .. but it obviously doesn't contain everything .. |
| 01:44.39 | RichiH | snowbird: no matter really. if you want to use it to install only once, get netinstall. if you want to do more than one install from the disk, get cd1 |
| 01:45.01 | snowbird | kk |
| 01:45.01 | cureless | enouf: afaik bash has come along way recently, the difference is not as big as some years ago. |
| 01:45.08 | RichiH | or if you have a slow internet connection at the place where you will install debian, you might also want to go grab cd1 |
| 01:45.18 | RichiH | zsh is bliss |
| 01:45.19 | enouf | cureless: i hear ya .. |
| 01:45.37 | cureless | enouf: if you're starting, start with zsh, you won't have to switch later. |
| 01:46.06 | enouf | haha .. ya .. well .. I'm kinda nostalgic in some senses |
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| 01:46.22 | abrotman | yeah .. a !be samual jackson .. would be bad right ? |
| 01:46.26 | streuner | RichiH: i need some vacation, prolly WHV... |
| 01:46.35 | enouf | besides .. I get a kick outta greycat balling the crap outta dumbasses :-P |
| 01:46.55 | enouf | me being one of those from time to time |
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| 01:47.30 | streuner | RichiH: not what you thinking of right now ;-) |
| 01:48.07 | streuner | RichiH: There is 'Suedstrand' and you can look from the hotel to the 'Nordsee' fantastic.... |
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| 01:49.20 | timewriter | i can see that gnome 2.16 its in experimental |
| 01:49.28 | timewriter | how can i install it on sarge |
| 01:49.37 | enouf | heh |
| 01:49.40 | streuner | !tell timewriter about experimental |
| 01:49.42 | cureless | sarge and experimental don't mix very well |
| 01:49.48 | D0ug | lmfao timewriter |
| 01:49.51 | RichiH | streuner: i don't know if i have ever seen the nordsee in all my life |
| 01:49.51 | timewriter | uhm |
| 01:49.56 | D0ug | they DONT mix |
| 01:50.00 | timewriter | gnome only |
| 01:50.07 | RichiH | timewriter: you will break your system |
| 01:50.09 | abrotman | timewriter: it's not all there |
| 01:50.11 | RichiH | i promise |
| 01:50.14 | timewriter | i see |
| 01:50.22 | abrotman | timewriter: and you probably can't install it on sarge without not running sarge anymore |
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| 01:50.34 | abrotman | timewriter: your options are using 2.8.3 in sarge or 2.14.3 in backports.org |
| 01:50.42 | timewriter | uhm |
| 01:50.44 | D0ug | is there any mutimedia players that will read WMA's that are in the official repository? |
| 01:50.50 | enouf | abrotman: major libc6 is from sarge->etch ? |
| 01:50.51 | timewriter | what version are they using with ubuntu 6.10 |
| 01:50.52 | timewriter | ? |
| 01:50.57 | enouf | er change> |
| 01:51.05 | abrotman | timewriter: ask #ubuntu |
| 01:51.12 | abrotman | enouf: it's a libc6 change .. that's for sure |
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| 01:51.20 | enouf | right .. ok |
| 01:51.30 | abrotman | enouf: if the gnome in experimental depends on the libc6 in experimental .. i'm not sure how that would work |
| 01:51.33 | abrotman | probably not well |
| 01:51.34 | timewriter | abrotman one more thing please . |
| 01:51.59 | abrotman | such as ? |
| 01:52.01 | timewriter | if i add the backports link on source.list , should i comment out the others whan i install gnome ? |
| 01:52.03 | timewriter | when* |
| 01:52.28 | enouf | abrotman: well my point ws, even if it only depended upon the libc6 from etch .. it's still a major upgrade at that point, rayher than pulling in one pkg and a few depends |
| 01:52.52 | enouf | abrotman: even me trying to upgrade hdparm in sarge took a major upgrade |
| 01:53.20 | enouf | but I could've maybe compiled it muself at that time .. dunno for sure .. hrm |
| 01:53.52 | abrotman | timewriter: you should read the instructions at backports.org |
| 01:53.56 | enouf | I guess bpo as you suggested is best to go with for most tihings like that anyway |
| 01:53.58 | timewriter | ok |
| 01:54.07 | abrotman | enouf: i've installed very feew things from experimental |
| 01:54.20 | abrotman | enouf: sometimes it's okay .. sometimes it's a pain |
| 01:54.26 | enouf | and myself even less than you .. |
| 01:54.34 | enouf | yep |
| 01:55.01 | Linux50 | what is the command to clean the temp file |
| 01:55.07 | Linux50 | is it apt-cache clean? |
| 01:55.10 | Linux50 | something like that? |
| 01:55.23 | enouf | apt-clean? |
| 01:55.32 | Linux50 | oh. okay |
| 01:56.16 | enouf | hrm Linux50 .. yet I see no apt-clean man page .. lessee |
| 01:56.23 | enouf | !info apt-clean |
| 01:56.28 | abrotman | Linux50: man apt-get |
| 01:56.35 | Linux50 | okay. Thank you |
| 01:56.39 | timewriter | ok |
| 01:56.43 | timewriter | ill try |
| 01:56.47 | timewriter | thanks for now |
| 01:58.37 | Guerin | ok, so when pinging halegar.feayn.org via wireless, I get `destination host unreachable' - then arp -a shows halegar.feayn.org (10.0.0.2) at <incomplete> on eth1 |
| 01:59.02 | streuner | and the 'route' is ok? |
| 01:59.03 | abrotman | cables! |
| 01:59.06 | Guerin | it seems perhaps the problem is that the MAC address of the remote wireless device isn't showing up properly? |
| 01:59.10 | abrotman | arp is broken! |
| 01:59.23 | Guerin | streuner: yes, 10.0.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 eth1 |
| 01:59.25 | streuner | o_O wireless... |
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| 02:00.03 | concept10 | abrotman, what browser do you use? i need a stable one, firefox 2.0.x is garbage |
| 02:00.29 | abrotman | concept10: i tried to switch to epiphany .. but sadly .. it has one quirk i can't get past .. so i'm still using opera |
| 02:00.51 | amphi | concept10: w3m |
| 02:01.42 | concept10 | amphi, how nice and feature-packed |
| 02:01.58 | amphi | it is indeed, tabbed browsing an' all |
| 02:02.01 | abrotman | concept10: epiphany isn't bad at all .. seems not very crashy |
| 02:02.17 | enouf | Guerin: doesn't a 10.x.x.x. usually require a 255.0.0.0 subnet or somesuch? |
| 02:02.36 | concept10 | abrotman, ive been trying to use ephiphany today, its decent, I guess im going to have to use opera full time |
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| 02:03.02 | abrotman | concept10: if i could get rid of the god damned close button on the tab .. i'd use it |
| 02:03.23 | Guerin | enouf: not if you're only using the last quad |
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| 02:03.36 | Roey | hi |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | concept10: in epiphany i mean |
| 02:03.47 | enouf | Guerin: I see .. ok |
| 02:03.51 | peterS | enouf: not at all, I use 10.4.4.40 with a subnet of 255.255.255.248, just because I can |
| 02:04.09 | enouf | peterS: thanks peterS for clarifying .. |
| 02:04.25 | peterS | (that's an arbitrary /29 subnet, as I only have a few computers, 6 addresses seemed like plenty) |
| 02:04.56 | concept10 | abrotman,flock is also nice, but it seems it uses alot of cpu sometimes. At this point, I think the Firefox codebase is crap |
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| 02:05.10 | abrotman | flock is more interseting than useful :) |
| 02:05.24 | enouf | peterS: right .. I just though for some odd reason that it changed as you lowered Class(es) even thogh CIDR is being utilized |
| 02:05.29 | concept10 | Everything based on Firefox is horrible on my system sometimes |
| 02:05.57 | concept10 | amphi, do you actually use w3m? |
| 02:06.13 | amphi | concept10: yeah, more than any other browser |
| 02:06.22 | peterS | enouf: heh, CIDR means that classes are no longer meaningful. oh you can still say "I have a class C" and people understand that to mean "I have a 24-bit subnet mask", but it's no longer tied to specific address ranges anywhere |
| 02:06.50 | concept10 | good god, I cant believe Wikipedia has raised close to a million dollars, why cant any other free project do this? |
| 02:07.03 | enouf | peterS: ahh .. "In other words, CIDR sees an IP nr as a 32 bit rather than a 4 byte address." .. guess b/c CIDR can be used that makes it possible .. nice little chart with few words http://www.sput.nl/software/cidr-routing.html |
| 02:07.34 | Azar | peterS: did the ipv6 changed all ranks ? |
| 02:07.35 | Guerin | concept10: wikipedia appeals to more people than free software? |
| 02:07.47 | peterS | Azar: did what? parse error |
| 02:08.11 | enouf | peterS: and then there's 'supernetting' :-) .. but i'm an idiot when it comes to networking specifics .. heh |
| 02:08.21 | Azar | peterS: the ip addresses binary are not the same in ipv6 like it was in ipv4? |
| 02:08.25 | concept10 | Guerin, maybe so... Debian should at least be able to get a 1/4 of that. |
| 02:08.39 | Guerin | concept10: why? |
| 02:09.02 | peterS | Azar: the same concepts apply - you have addresses and subnets, but there are a lot more of each, so most subnet masks are in multiples of 16 bits in ipv6 - commonly people will be allocated a /48 mask |
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| 02:09.38 | concept10 | Guerin, the simple fact that so many people and the organizations (distros) that depend on it |
| 02:09.52 | peterS | Azar: which means you get 65536 different /64 subnets for your organisation. a /64 (64 bits of network, 64 bits of individual addresses) is the smallest routable subnet commonly used in ipv6 |
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| 02:10.29 | MajorPayne | When apt-get downloads a new kernel image, do I have to configure grub automadicly or does apt do it for me automadicly |
| 02:10.30 | MajorPayne | ? |
| 02:10.33 | abrotman | 35 ? |
| 02:10.35 | peterS | concept10: if you count up the amount of donated hardware and especially hosted bandwidth over the years for Debian infrastructure, including the mirror network, it probably adds up close to that anyway |
| 02:10.45 | abrotman | MajorPayne: if you're in question .. run update-grub |
| 02:11.03 | peterS | MajorPayne: normally it does it automatically. feel free to read /boot/grub/menu.lst to confirm this for yourself |
| 02:11.04 | Azar | enouf: free course if you are interested: http://www.freesoft.org/CIE/Course/index.htm |
| 02:11.07 | enouf | MajorPayne: it depends .. /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel .. for some basic info |
| 02:11.24 | enouf | Azar: danke :-) |
| 02:11.34 | Azar | enouf: bitte |
| 02:11.37 | MajorPayne | ok, I was just wondeirng, becasue I am passing some arguments to my current kernel |
| 02:12.07 | abrotman | last i checked .. if lilo.conf exists .. it won't update grub |
| 02:12.08 | peterS | concept10: last I heard, there were several Debian Project machines sitting on gigabit internet connections around the world and coming close to saturating them. that costs somebody some real money |
| 02:12.36 | MajorPayne | ahh, that's ok, I can configure menu.1st myself |
| 02:12.47 | peterS | MajorPayne: lst, not 1st. check your font (: |
| 02:12.47 | MajorPayne | I was just wondering what it did |
| 02:13.10 | concept10 | peterS, hardware is nice, im thinking more about supporting developers, developers, developers, developers, and developers. |
| 02:13.18 | MajorPayne | peterS: lol, I thought it was 1st, I hit tab too many time |
| 02:13.20 | MajorPayne | times* |
| 02:14.00 | peterS | concept10: several debian developers do get paid to work on debian. I don't know how many. anyway, don't discount the donations we receive in the form of hardware and bandwidth. Debian doesn't pay for any of its own bandwidth or, I believe, any of its own hardware |
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| 02:14.40 | peterS | of the two, I'm sure the bandwidth is by far the bigger cost, especially when you count the mirror network |
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| 02:15.08 | concept10 | we should start the Linux Development Fund. In this channel, tonight. Hell, the Mozilla Org made 56 million last year. |
| 02:15.30 | Azar | good the Debian finally accepts monetary donations, I had rough time to find where to send the money three years ago |
| 02:15.40 | abrotman | SPI |
| 02:15.44 | Azar | yep |
| 02:15.57 | peterS | Azar: we've always accepted donations (www.spi-inc.org) but SPI has not always operated very efficiently in terms of handling money |
| 02:16.04 | abrotman | linuxcentral used to let you donate when you bought CDs |
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| 02:16.31 | Azar | peterS: exactly, in the past it was really weird to find a way to donate, last year it started working |
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| 02:16.55 | Azar | abrotman: bah they only suggest like $1.00 per cd |
| 02:17.10 | stoned | Azar, you could donate to me |
| 02:17.14 | stoned | I'll take it |
| 02:17.20 | abrotman | Azar: no . i mean they had an item you could put in your cart .. to donate to debian |
| 02:17.23 | Azar | stoned: Id rather buy beer and drink it with you |
| 02:17.24 | jetscreamer | no, me first |
| 02:17.25 | concept10 | Thats the problem with donations, I want it to be put to good use |
| 02:17.28 | stoned | word |
| 02:18.17 | Guerin | well, i wonder if the problem is that one of the wireless interfaces has `Bit Rate=0 kb/s' |
| 02:18.20 | Azar | well I trust that who administers the Debian's vault is a honest and fair person to the developing community |
| 02:18.24 | Guerin | and can't apparently be changed |
| 02:18.32 | gimmulf_ | Why isnt it possible running "sudo cd" ? |
| 02:18.37 | Azar | Guerin how is missus? |
| 02:18.51 | peterS | gimmulf_: because cd only affects the current process and sudo launches a new process |
| 02:18.55 | Guerin | she will be much happier when I get teh wireless working |
| 02:19.04 | enouf | Guerin: oh .. yeah .. hat's one of those funky things about sudo man sudo |
| 02:19.12 | Azar | Guerin: I am sure you will find the way |
| 02:19.19 | enouf | bah gimmulf_ I mean |
| 02:19.23 | enouf | sorry Guerin |
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| 02:19.41 | gimmulf_ | peterS: my script wants to run this: sudo cd /var/www/rails/bingostatus/current && mongrel_rails cluster::start" but i get like: sudo: cd: command not found |
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| 02:20.31 | jetscreamer | " 's ? |
| 02:20.37 | peterS | gimmulf_: oh you can't use arbitrary shell syntax in a sudo command like that (the && will be interpreted by the current shell) - if you need that sort of thing, sudo sh -c 'cd ... && mongrel...' |
| 02:21.44 | peterS | gimmulf_: since 'cd' only affects the current process, it makes no sense to provide it as a separate program, it must be a shell built-in command so that it affects the current shell. hence the need for sudo to run 'sh' and run cd inside that |
| 02:21.58 | gimmulf_ | hmmm ok |
| 02:22.19 | peterS | gimmulf_: alternatively...... cd /var/www/rails/bingostatus/current && sudo mongrel_rails cluster::start |
| 02:22.38 | gimmulf_ | thanks |
| 02:22.54 | enouf | peterS: and that would hold true for all shell "builtins" ? |
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| 02:23.10 | peterS | enouf: no, some of them like 'time' can usefully be provided by separate binaries |
| 02:23.32 | peterS | enouf: and 'test' is both /bin/test and a shell builtin, in this case it's for efficiency (you use test in shell scripts all the time) |
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| 02:23.38 | enouf | peterS: unfortunately .. sudo is required upfront since changing intio certtain Dirs kicks back a "permission denied" |
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| 02:23.55 | peterS | enouf: well, in that case you need to sudo sh -c 'cd ....' |
| 02:23.55 | enouf | peterS: thanks .. |
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| 02:24.34 | enouf | peterS: righto .. gotcha .. I was just playing with sudo -i -- cd /dev... and it wasn't working .. I see why now |
| 02:25.03 | peterS | enouf: the 'time' case is interesting: as a shell builtin, if you do time a | b | c it is able to get the aggregate stats for all three processes. if it's a separate binary, the shell handles the |b|c separately so time a | b | c will only get the stats for process 'a' |
| 02:25.25 | enouf | heh .. isn't that somethin' |
| 02:25.38 | peterS | enouf: so, while a separate process /usr/bin/time does work, the shell builtin is more useful |
| 02:25.51 | stoned | I been hiccuping for 2 minutes now constantly its annoying, help! |
| 02:25.54 | enouf | right .. ahhh .. nice .. :-) |
| 02:26.13 | enouf | stoned: cold dry air .. stuff your head in the freeezwer a few minutes |
| 02:26.15 | peterS | stoned: hold your breath until the next spambot hits #debian |
| 02:26.28 | stoned | oh boy |
| 02:26.37 | enouf | stoned: oh wait .. that's for sneezing fits |
| 02:26.37 | dvs | stoned: wait until etch is released. |
| 02:26.37 | enouf | :-) |
| 02:26.55 | stoned | holding breath doesn't help, already did it |
| 02:27.09 | wastrel | maybe cryo sleep |
| 02:27.28 | stoned | these aren't little hiccups either, they are strong ones |
| 02:27.28 | peterS | holding breath always works for me. not always right away but eventually, after several suppressed hiccups, it does the trick |
| 02:27.43 | abrotman | wastrel: do you realize that you never say anything that makes sense ? |
| 02:27.53 | stoned | lol |
| 02:27.57 | peterS | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:27.59 | peterS | / \ |
| 02:28.01 | stoned | I was wondering why cryo sleep was mentioned |
| 02:28.05 | abrotman | \ / |
| 02:28.05 | stoned | ahh the little lol dude |
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| 02:28.07 | Azar | hehe |
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| 02:28.25 | wastrel | you could put yourself on ice with instructions to be revived when etch is released :] |
| 02:28.28 | peterS | that's the first loldude of 2007, at least the first caused by me |
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| 02:28.42 | abrotman | !beer peterS |
| 02:29.04 | jetscreamer | swallow air |
| 02:29.19 | Azar | put that on dpkg memory for kicks |
| 02:29.25 | stoned | umm, there is now a napkin stuck to my face |
| 02:29.26 | jetscreamer | then let it out in one huge burp |
| 02:29.30 | stoned | what the hell man |
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| 02:29.58 | peterS | maybe you should cease your wednesday night revelries while you're ahead |
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| 02:30.13 | RichiH | peterS! |
| 02:30.19 | abrotman | lemon and bitters! |
| 02:30.19 | stoned | all I did was eat a big mac |
| 02:30.23 | stoned | now I got hiccups |
| 02:30.29 | peterS | you ate too fast |
| 02:30.33 | stoned | probably |
| 02:30.41 | peterS | big macs are supposed to be _savored_. (: |
| 02:30.45 | wastrel | i generally have only a tenuous grasp of what's going on in here so my comments are necessarily a bit non sequitor |
| 02:30.49 | stoned | ehehe |
| 02:31.06 | RichiH | if by savor you mean 'being hungry again after 30 minutes' |
| 02:31.11 | stoned | lol |
| 02:31.12 | RichiH | burger kind all the way |
| 02:31.21 | stoned | I like the whopper |
| 02:31.29 | Azar | hey stoned, I just read the net about your demise from Dell: "Dell loses another executive" http://news.com.com/2061-10810_3-6149283.html?part=rss&tag=2547-1_3-0-20&subj=news |
| 02:31.29 | RichiH | stoned: big king xxl here |
| 02:31.31 | peterS | the whopper's ok but their fries suck |
| 02:31.34 | stoned | word |
| 02:31.34 | Azar | :) |
| 02:31.43 | RichiH | peterS: wtf! |
| 02:31.46 | RichiH | heretic! |
| 02:31.47 | stoned | lol |
| 02:31.47 | jetscreamer | so anybody know when all the mozilla crap (default home page, ~/.mozilla, et al) will go away from iceweasel? |
| 02:31.50 | Guerin | lardburgers, eew |
| 02:31.53 | peterS | what can I say, I'm not a fan of burger king fries |
| 02:32.16 | peterS | OTOH, I haven't attempted to eat mcdonalds beef for probably 8 years |
| 02:32.17 | RichiH | peterS: what can i say? your life sucks |
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| 02:32.27 | stoned | debian should have a portal type site as default for iceweasel |
| 02:32.53 | abrotman | peterS: sticking to Roy Rogers eh ? |
| 02:33.00 | stoned | or maybe just debian.org |
| 02:33.02 | RichiH | peterS: at least in europe, BK fries are crispy while McD fries are soggy and still raw more often than not |
| 02:33.06 | peterS | abrotman: I'll eat mcdonalds chicken and such, and their fries, but their beef is nasty |
| 02:33.16 | stoned | RichiH, that depends. I like the mushy soft fries |
| 02:33.20 | RichiH | stoned: about:blank |
| 02:33.20 | peterS | RichiH: oh, regional differences, it's more or less the opposite here (: |
| 02:33.31 | dvs | petemc: Wendy's beef is NASTY! |
| 02:33.35 | abrotman | peterS: i like their chicken sandwiches ..but i can stuff a big mac down if i have to :) |
| 02:33.37 | RichiH | peterS: that explains a lot |
| 02:33.38 | stoned | I don't like cheweing the crispy. blank works good. I just set all mine manually to google.com |
| 02:33.45 | Guerin | ok, wireless geeks: how does one change the `cell' to which an ad-hoc machine connects? |
| 02:33.47 | RichiH | stoned: eww |
| 02:33.54 | stoned | RichiH, lol |
| 02:34.11 | stoned | I don't like a lot of crispy things |
| 02:34.13 | Guerin | i have two separate `cell' values, neither of which appear to be right |
| 02:34.14 | RichiH | about soggy fries, not about:blank. the second is cool |
| 02:34.24 | stoned | i know |
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| 02:37.39 | Guerin | abrotman: it's the usual story, they're mostly asleep |
| 02:38.09 | abrotman | oh |
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| 02:40.05 | deadcat | kernel not booting on my qube3: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5053 |
| 02:40.09 | deadcat | failed at second stage... what is second stage? |
| 02:40.43 | abrotman | after the first |
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| 02:44.48 | Bogus8 | is libflash-swfplayer not the stand alone flash player that I need to use for Opera? |
| 02:45.02 | Azar | yeee new members on the Debian Technical Comitee... wait, they are same ones |
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| 02:45.41 | abrotman | Bogus8: opera can use the plugin |
| 02:46.10 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I just installed it and Opera is still asking if I want to d/l it |
| 02:46.20 | abrotman | Bogus8: you still have to install the plugin |
| 02:46.41 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I apt-get'd libflash-swfplayer is that not it? |
| 02:46.47 | abrotman | nope |
| 02:46.50 | abrotman | !flash |
| 02:46.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
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| 02:47.39 | enzooo | @find porn |
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| 02:48.00 | Bogus8 | abrotman: thanks... I guess I should uninstall whatever I installed ;) |
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| 02:49.37 | Azar | peterS ewwwwwww the new IP address format in ipv6: 2001:05c0:9168:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001/128 |
| 02:50.00 | peterS | Azar: you can abbreviate it, though: 2001:5c0:9168::1/128 |
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| 02:50.13 | Azar | peterS: ahhhh thanks that's more manageable |
| 02:50.14 | timewriter | i got the ugly gnome again :( |
| 02:50.31 | peterS | Azar: basically any sequence of :0000: can be replaced by :: |
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| 02:50.42 | peterS | Azar: and leading 0 in any group of 4 digits can be omitted |
| 02:50.52 | Azar | interesting... |
| 02:51.19 | Azar | 2001:05c0:9168::1 |
| 02:51.35 | peterS | Azar: right, or just 2001:5c0:9168::1 |
| 02:52.09 | peterS | Azar: thus the localhost address, 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0001, is normally written as ::1 |
| 02:52.45 | Azar | gonna get hard on netmask calculations |
| 02:52.55 | abrotman | please don't get hard |
| 02:53.06 | peterS | Azar: nah, netmasks are easy, they're almost always a multiple of 16, representing one group of 4 digits |
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| 02:53.21 | peterS | Azar: thus if 2001:5c0:9168 is your network address, it's a netmask of /48 |
| 02:53.28 | Azar | I never got the hexadecimals.. |
| 02:54.05 | wastrel | hexadecimal |
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| 02:54.44 | wastrel | yeah ipv6 addys are not human-readable |
| 02:54.47 | wastrel | unfortunate |
| 02:55.35 | peterS | Azar: it's just like IPv4, you just memorize nnn.x.x.x is /8, nnn.nnn.x.x is /16, nnn.nnn.nnn.x is /24. the same goes for IPv6, netmasks will be /16, /32, /48, /64 |
| 02:56.00 | peterS | and rarely anything else, but if it is anything else, just figure each hexadecimal digit is 4 bits |
| 02:56.09 | dvs | peterS: how many addresses can you get from a /64 netmask? |
| 02:56.29 | tonyb2006 | i compiled emacs CVS ( 22.0.92.2 ) on x86_64 with gtk2, and all the pixmaps are monochrome |
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| 02:56.32 | peterS | dvs: 64 bits of address, so in a practical sense, unlimited |
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| 02:56.40 | dvs | peterS: nice. |
| 02:56.58 | peterS | dvs: typically the ethernet mac address forms 48 bits of the 64-bit address, so addresses can be auto-assigned just based on that |
| 02:57.24 | wastrel | mac addresses eh |
| 02:57.34 | Azar | hehe the reverse dns would look even crazyer: |
| 02:57.38 | Azar | 2.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.0.8.6.1.9.0.c.5.0.1.0.0.2.ip6.arpa. IN PTR ns2ip6.pananix.com. |
| 02:57.45 | dvs | heh |
| 02:57.52 | peterS | ip6.arpa exists? I thought it was ip6.int |
| 02:58.18 | Azar | peterS: I am looking over a howto for ipv6 |
| 02:59.01 | peterS | I guess it is ip6.arpa. yes, PTR records are a bit long, I would have preferred for them to group them by pairs of digits, on the theory that nobody needs to be assigned less than 8 bits of netmask at a time |
| 02:59.02 | Azar | just for kicks |
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| 02:59.49 | Azar | haha |
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| 03:00.09 | Azar | it reminds me of the color codes in hexadecimals when I look over IP numbers |
| 03:00.35 | peterS | Azar: yeah once you get used to hex digits they're no big deal but if you haven't seen a lot of them, I guess they would remind you of color codes |
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| 03:01.11 | Azar | yep that's the only time I met hexadecimals, while learning to do gradcolors |
| 03:01.15 | peterS | #rrggbb from the X window system, later transplanted into HTML, might be the biggest use of hex digits most non-programmers are exposed to nowadays |
| 03:01.19 | wastrel | color codes are hex digits |
| 03:01.59 | Azar | peterS: back in the days when I learned how to create audioscopes and gradtables in html |
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| 03:02.04 | cooner750 | HEllo |
| 03:02.13 | enouf | peterS: so an ipv6 of fe80::209:5bff:fe8d:10f5/64 means there's one group or many groups of 0000 (or 0xxx) between fe80 and 209? |
| 03:02.18 | Kuko | Hello, If i wanted to shutdown my computer what would be the correct command to put into the terminal? |
| 03:02.26 | enouf | peterS: or it doesn't matter |
| 03:02.45 | cooner750 | I had Apache 1.3 installed. I went to install PHP5, and it installed Apache2 as well. Now, Apache will start, but Apache 2 will not. What is going on? |
| 03:02.45 | Azar | Kuko: as root you type : shutdown -h now |
| 03:02.53 | peterS | enouf: it means fe80:0000:0000:0000:209:5bff:fe8d:10f5/64 |
| 03:02.54 | stoned | I'm just curious. peterS why does a big mac make you hungry again in 30 minutes? Or was that RichiH that said that? |
| 03:03.03 | cooner750 | When I do 'apt-get remove apache', it just removes only the 'apache' package, no config files or anything |
| 03:03.08 | abrotman | cooner750: it probably just installed apache2-common |
| 03:03.21 | Bogus8 | abrotman: hey man, I have Contrib in my sources.list but still no go on that package |
| 03:03.23 | peterS | enouf: all addresses are 128 bits long, which means 8 groups of 4 digits each, so the :: fills in however many groups of 0000 are needed to achieve this |
| 03:03.24 | enouf | peterS: and you determine the 3 sets of 0000 how? |
| 03:03.24 | cooner750 | So how can I completely remove Apache 1.3 and install Apache 2? |
| 03:03.27 | b0xii | cooner750: purge it |
| 03:03.41 | enouf | Ahhh peterS .. thanks |
| 03:03.41 | abrotman | Bogus8: i normally just download the tar.gz from macromedia.com and put it in place manually |
| 03:03.48 | b0xii | cooner750: dpkg --purge apache |
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| 03:04.03 | cooner750 | does that remove the /var/www directory too? |
| 03:04.06 | Bogus8 | abrotman: I'll give that a go |
| 03:04.09 | cooner750 | Not a problem, just wondering |
| 03:04.29 | b0xii | cooner750: dunno if it goes that far, but your config crap'll be gone |
| 03:04.50 | cooner750 | Ok, So now I can apt-get install apache2, right? |
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| 03:04.58 | b0xii | cooner750: yes'r |
| 03:05.00 | enouf | I need to take more of my own advice .. and chill when asking questions, rather than rushing to try and ask a follow-through/up question .. |
| 03:05.12 | peterS | heh |
| 03:05.42 | enouf | not to mention, i stink at typing, and miss much waht's posted as I am actgua;l;ly typoing |
| 03:05.45 | enouf | hehe |
| 03:05.51 | cooner750 | Ok now something else |
| 03:06.11 | cooner750 | When I run /etc/init.d/apache2 start, I get no "Starting Apache" message, it just returns to the prompt. And, apache never starts. |
| 03:06.28 | dvs | cooner750: check the log |
| 03:06.29 | abrotman | cooner750: is apache actually installed ? |
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| 03:06.45 | b0xii | cooner750: what about apache2ctl start? |
| 03:06.45 | cooner750 | abrotman: apache2 and apache2-common are installed |
| 03:06.55 | abrotman | but no thread model ? |
| 03:07.08 | cooner750 | b0xii: It returns "apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory" |
| 03:07.21 | b0xii | cooner750: make one? |
| 03:07.23 | abrotman | no |
| 03:07.34 | abrotman | it should have been provided |
| 03:07.35 | cooner750 | Should I remove and re-install apache2-common? |
| 03:08.16 | abrotman | !tell cooner750 about confmiss |
| 03:09.38 | enouf | peterS: and to get back(briefly) to what you were saying prior about groups with leading 0s .. it might very well be fe80:0001:0002:0003:209:5bff:fe8d:10f5/64 ? |
| 03:10.02 | peterS | enouf: you can't abbreviate that with ::, you'd have to say fe80:1:2:3:209:5bff:fe8d:10f5/64 |
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| 03:10.24 | enouf | ahh .. ok .. thnks very kindly peterS |
| 03:10.28 | enouf | +a |
| 03:10.57 | abrotman | !prize peterS |
| 03:11.06 | peterS | enouf: amusingly, if you have the address 0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000:0000 (aka 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:0), you actually write it as :: |
| 03:11.20 | peterS | with no digits at all |
| 03:11.27 | cooner750 | abrotman: How do I use this command? |
| 03:11.44 | abrotman | cooner750: just like it says |
| 03:11.48 | peterS | it's not a valid address, but you use it when specifying "listen on all IP addresses" on a server |
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| 03:12.23 | enouf | peterS: haha .. I just realized "and leading 0 in any group of 4 digits can be omitted" means one can omit all the Zeroas, not the other decimals itself/themselves .. |
| 03:12.29 | peterS | enouf: right. |
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| 03:13.45 | abrotman | i just don't get why the one section is three |
| 03:13.46 | enouf | peterS: isn't a 0.0.0.0 sometimes used as the loopback broadcast ? aka 127.0.0.1 |
| 03:13.52 | cooner750 | Ran the command using the packages apache2 and apache2.2-common and I still am getting the error about the conf not being found. |
| 03:14.03 | Guerin | peterS: do you know as much about wireless as about proper networking? |
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| 03:14.05 | abrotman | cooner750: show us the command |
| 03:14.12 | peterS | Guerin: no, I have no experience with wireless, alas |
| 03:14.14 | enouf | erm .. maybe nonsensical ... |
| 03:14.17 | Jazbo | Is there a way to make apt-get install all the "suggested packages"? |
| 03:14.20 | cooner750 | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2 |
| 03:14.23 | Guerin | peterS: i wish that were still the case for me |
| 03:14.31 | abrotman | cooner750: apache2.2-common |
| 03:14.38 | dvs | Jazbo: I heard aptitude does that quite well |
| 03:14.39 | peterS | enouf: no, 0.0.0.0 means the same as IPv6 :: which is to say "listen on all local addresses", it doesn't mean 127.0.0.1 (IPv6 ::1) |
| 03:14.42 | cooner750 | I may have wrote that wrong, let me see |
| 03:14.48 | abrotman | dvs: that's recommends |
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| 03:15.16 | dvs | abrotman: oops |
| 03:15.20 | cooner750 | abrotman: I did type it wrong, and now I just get a > in the terminal |
| 03:15.34 | abrotman | you did it wrong again |
| 03:16.04 | cooner750 | Is there a quote in there that isn't supposed to be? |
| 03:16.26 | abrotman | probably |
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| 03:17.46 | enouf | peterS: ok .. just struggling with the diffs .. a netstat -tuna shows amongst other things --> "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:901 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN" <--which is obviously LISTEN .. and a /sbin/route -n shows --> 0.0.0.0 192.168.0.1 0.0.0.0 UG 0 0 0 eth0 <-- |
| 03:17.56 | cooner750 | abrotman: I typed: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::= --force-confmiss --reinstall install apache2.2-common and did the same with apache2. It "Unpacked Replacement" for both, but I am still getting the missing conf problem |
| 03:17.59 | enouf | what a messy posting .. ugh |
| 03:18.13 | Jazbo | Hmm... it seems aptitude can install "recommended packeges" automatically but I don't see an option for installing "suggested packages". Is there a way to do that? |
| 03:18.27 | abrotman | cooner750: you missed the " |
| 03:18.43 | cooner750 | Is there only supposed to be one quote after DPkg::Options::= ? |
| 03:18.46 | peterS | enouf: 0.0.0.0 means listen on all IP addresses the machine is using. in your case that would be 127.0.0.1 and 68.198.108.41 |
| 03:18.52 | Guerin | both devices have all encryption off, no key, etc |
| 03:18.56 | abrotman | apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 03:18.57 | Guerin | kisemt on the ipw2100 shows the rt2500 as Privacy: Yes and Encrypt: WEP |
| 03:19.02 | Guerin | STUPIDS |
| 03:19.31 | peterS | enouf: well, I mean, 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.0.1, since you're using NAT |
| 03:19.51 | peterS | enouf: back in an hour or so, must go do some laundry |
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| 03:20.13 | enouf | peterS: right .. ok .. I think I got it .. I just stated it wrong using the "broadcast" terminology .. |
| 03:20.23 | enouf | peterS: thanks mate |
| 03:21.05 | dvs | fabric softener? |
| 03:21.08 | enouf | no .. not morton jr .. :-p |
| 03:21.15 | enouf | Yes dvs |
| 03:21.17 | dvs | the mouth? |
| 03:21.18 | cooner750 | abrotman: Ok, I ran: 'apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install apache2.2-common' and the same for apache2. Same error. Unless I typed it wrong again ... |
| 03:21.24 | enouf | dvs the MOUTH! |
| 03:21.31 | abrotman | cooner750: error in the apache logs ? |
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| 03:21.38 | abrotman | cooner750: how are you starting apache ? |
| 03:21.44 | cooner750 | apache2ctl start |
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| 03:21.58 | abrotman | uhm |
| 03:22.04 | enouf | what a BIG mouth .. that idiot dumbed down this country about 50 IQ points overall |
| 03:22.06 | abrotman | try /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 03:22.18 | dvs | heh |
| 03:22.20 | cooner750 | abrotman: /etc/init.d/apache2 start returns nothing and Apache never loads |
| 03:22.28 | cooner750 | same for restart |
| 03:22.33 | abrotman | and the logs ? |
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| 03:23.09 | cooner750 | Where are the logs for Apache2? |
| 03:23.27 | cooner750 | This is interesting... |
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| 03:23.50 | cooner750 | apache2ctl is looking for "httpd.conf", but there is a "apache2.conf" in /etc/apache2 ---- if i remember correctly, apache2 used this instead of httpd.conf |
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| 03:24.16 | cooner750 | It's got 668 lines in it too |
| 03:24.24 | enouf | Guerin: just a stab apt-cache show wireless-tools ? |
| 03:24.41 | cooner750 | Let me try something |
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| 03:24.48 | abrotman | cooner750: is there an error from /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
| 03:25.30 | dvs | cooner750: my /etc/apache2/httpd.conf has one line in it: "Include /etc/backuppc/apache.conf" |
| 03:25.39 | cooner750 | abrotman: The error is "apache2: Syntax error on line 189 of /etc/apache2/apache2.conf: Could not open configuration file /etc/apache2/httpd.conf: No such file or directory" ... Why is it including httpd.conf, it seems? |
| 03:25.49 | cooner750 | When apache2.conf has 668 lines of configuration |
| 03:25.59 | abrotman | cooner750: it's supposed to |
| 03:26.01 | enouf | dvs: and that's likely from the backuppc pkg :-) |
| 03:26.10 | cooner750 | abrotman: Is it required? |
| 03:26.11 | abrotman | cooner750: ls -l /etc/apache2/httpd.conf |
| 03:26.32 | cooner750 | abrotman: No such file or directory |
| 03:26.45 | abrotman | you just told me it was there! |
| 03:26.53 | abrotman | cooner750: dpkg -l apache2.2-common |
| 03:26.56 | enouf | dvs: I have it installed too .. was going to learn how to st it up and use it .. but forgot all about it .. heh |
| 03:27.02 | enouf | s/st/set |
| 03:27.08 | cooner750 | abrotman: No, I said there is an apache2.conf in /etc/apache2 that looks like it should be an httpd.conf |
| 03:27.18 | abrotman | cooner750: dpkg -l apache2.2-common |
| 03:27.47 | cooner750 | abrotman: "ii apache2.2-common 2.2.3-3.2 Next generation, scalable, extendable web server" |
| 03:28.03 | abrotman | have you modified the conf files at all ? |
| 03:28.23 | cooner750 | abrotman: No |
| 03:28.35 | abrotman | apt-get --purge remove apache2.2-common |
| 03:29.31 | abrotman | cooner750: and you want php5 ? |
| 03:29.40 | cooner750 | abrotman: yes |
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| 03:30.12 | cooner750 | And I have mysql, but I've already installed php5-mysql |
| 03:30.30 | abrotman | cooner750: apt-get install libapache2-mod-php5 php5-mysql .. see if apache starts |
| 03:31.36 | cooner750 | abrotman, using apache2ctl or /etc/init.d/apache2 ? |
| 03:31.46 | abrotman | always use the init script |
| 03:31.52 | Guerin | enouf: i wouldn't even be able to bring the thing up without wireless-tools |
| 03:32.06 | enouf | I see .. |
| 03:32.19 | cooner750 | abrotman: Same thing, no return, does not start |
| 03:32.23 | abrotman | error ? |
| 03:32.35 | cooner750 | No error reported when using the /etc/init.d command |
| 03:32.47 | cooner750 | abrotman: Something odd I noticed when purging apache2.2-common |
| 03:32.49 | abrotman | but you're sure it's not working ? |
| 03:32.57 | cooner750 | Yes. http://cooner750.dyndns.org |
| 03:33.23 | abrotman | IP address might be better ... |
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| 03:33.55 | cooner750 | http://71.72.209.198 |
| 03:35.42 | k-man | anyone here find linunx and xorg under vmware to have slowed down since the last version of vmware? |
| 03:35.49 | abrotman | ask #vmware |
| 03:35.58 | abrotman | cooner750: but no errors starting it ? |
| 03:36.04 | cooner750 | abrotman: No |
| 03:36.06 | k-man | abrotman, i did.... |
| 03:36.15 | abrotman | k-man: ask again .. vmware isn't packaged in debian |
| 03:36.24 | k-man | ok |
| 03:36.40 | abrotman | cooner750: ps aux .. is it running ? |
| 03:36.59 | cooner750 | abrotman: No |
| 03:37.21 | cooner750 | I dont think, let me look closer |
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| 03:37.43 | cooner750 | abrotman: Nope, it isnt |
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| 03:38.12 | abrotman | anything in the regular log about it ? |
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| 03:39.43 | quitte | im having a really annoying problem when installing recent readline-common. install-info fails as it doesn't know the arguments given to it. |
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| 03:40.06 | abrotman | quitte: where have you been hiding ? |
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| 03:40.47 | cooner750 | abrotman: Apparently the httpd.conf in Apache version 2 is not important. I removed the line, and it works flawless so far. I get the "It works!" message. Apparently, in Apache 2, the httpd.conf is just for "user configuration", as at the top of apache2.conf, it says "Main configuration file for Apache2. |
| 03:41.10 | abrotman | okay |
| 03:41.15 | cooner750 | Odd though |
| 03:41.18 | abrotman | i thought it was full of stuff .. but whatever |
| 03:41.21 | cooner750 | I would've never guessed O_o |
| 03:41.34 | cooner750 | I dont remember it being like that last time I used Apache2 on Debian |
| 03:41.45 | Frew | I crashed my desktop system last night trying to set up dual monitors. I crashed my laptop two nights ago trying to upgrade to testing. I'm hopeless. What should I do? |
| 03:41.48 | quitte | abrotman: huh? |
| 03:41.52 | abrotman | what?! |
| 03:42.19 | quitte | abrotman: why do you ask where i havebeen hiding? |
| 03:42.35 | abrotman | haven't seen you around in a while |
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| 03:42.49 | quitte | abrotman: got a lousy job. fixing roofs :( |
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| 03:43.08 | abrotman | oh |
| 03:44.04 | Frew | Oh, and I can't get any dern sound on this machine either, sigh... |
| 03:44.15 | abrotman | !alsa one-liner |
| 03:44.15 | dpkg | alsa one-liner is probably apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils , or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 03:44.17 | quitte | well i have sort of an agreemet with my chef that i get a better job soon. i really need more time. and standing up at 5am is not acceptable. |
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| 03:45.12 | Frew | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 03:45.13 | dpkg | it has been said that 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
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| 03:45.56 | johpunk | wenas |
| 03:46.02 | johpunk | alguien sabe como ago para borrar el amsn 0.97 |
| 03:46.03 | johpunk | :/ |
| 03:46.04 | enouf | !alsa 2.4 |
| 03:46.05 | dpkg | First, you need to build the ALSA modules for your kernel. apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential debhelper; then read "man m-a". Finally, ask me about <alsa>. |
| 03:46.15 | abrotman | !es |
| 03:46.15 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 03:46.27 | enouf | that appears diff than the one-liner :-( |
| 03:46.32 | johpunk | ups |
| 03:46.33 | johpunk | xD |
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| 03:46.38 | abrotman | it is .. that's the old alsa method |
| 03:46.49 | abrotman | oh .. no wait .. |
| 03:46.49 | Bogus8 | not sure if it is icewm or X but sometimes a key will stick in xterm, address bars whatever and go until I hit another key |
| 03:46.54 | abrotman | alsa sucsk! |
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| 03:46.59 | enouf | haha |
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| 03:47.40 | enouf | and stoned even wanted to shorten the alsa 2.4 factoid .. stoned! |
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| 03:49.08 | cooner750 | abrotman: PHP still refuses to work |
| 03:49.15 | cooner750 | abrotman: http://cooner750.dyndns.org/blog/ |
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| 03:49.17 | abrotman | clear browser cache .. restart browser |
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| 03:49.34 | cooner750 | Still does it |
| 03:49.34 | abrotman | did you install libapache2-mod-php5 ? |
| 03:49.40 | enouf | or whatever it is .. |
| 03:49.42 | abrotman | did you enable php5? |
| 03:49.43 | cooner750 | let me check |
| 03:50.12 | cooner750 | abrotman: libapache2-mod-php5 is installed. |
| 03:50.27 | cooner750 | Do I have to edit the apache config? |
| 03:50.28 | cooner750 | for modules? |
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| 03:50.40 | abrotman | a2enmod php5 |
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| 03:51.15 | cooner750 | abrotman: says force reload to enable. Restart Apache? |
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| 03:51.37 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:51.45 | Inf3rn0 | How do I create a frame buffer? |
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| 03:53.02 | lnast | wait. can you not run executables from a tmpfs? |
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| 03:53.32 | Guerin | well, guess what the problem with the wireless was? |
| 03:53.43 | snowbird | dont know |
| 03:54.09 | Guerin | wireless-enc off wasn't honoured |
| 03:54.24 | snowbird | is this one distro room? |
| 03:54.33 | Guerin | this stupid ralink card won't make an utterly open network |
| 03:54.53 | snowbird | well i upgraded debian and x failed |
| 03:55.04 | Guerin | snowbird: ati? |
| 03:55.07 | snowbird | in debian room cant paste errors cause its another box |
| 03:55.40 | snowbird | nvida so have to reforamt unless some one can ssh |
| 03:55.59 | Guerin | snowbird: try installing xserver-xorg-input-* and loading the psmouse module |
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| 03:56.18 | snowbird | taht didnt help |
| 03:56.25 | Guerin | snowbird: also look in the file /etc/X11/xorg.conf and make sure the device driver is `nv' |
| 03:56.29 | lnast | doh. how do i run an executable on a tmpfs? ive passed mount the exec attibute but still no go, i suppose i have to go /lib/ld-linux.so.2 /tmpfs/binary? |
| 03:56.37 | snowbird | tcant acsess conf |
| 03:56.50 | snowbird | tried books too |
| 03:57.24 | abrotman | tried books ? |
| 03:57.40 | snowbird | yeah ones from here to help me idut out |
| 03:57.40 | abrotman | lnast: is it mounted noexec ? |
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| 03:57.51 | lnast | no, it's mounted exec |
| 03:58.12 | lnast | size=200M,exec |
| 03:59.25 | snowbird | its i hope reinstal deb fixes it |
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| 04:09.41 | wookienz | hi, how do i set up skel such that when i add a user they get a Mailbox for exim4 to deliver to? |
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| 04:10.13 | Guerin | wookienz: does exim not create a mailbox when the first mail is received? |
| 04:10.24 | wastrel | it should |
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| 04:19.41 | wookienz | Guerin, i have sent mail to the user on the system which doesnt have a Maildir in their home dir, nothing gets added, ie a maildir is not added for them |
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| 04:21.34 | wastrel | where did the mail go? |
| 04:21.51 | wastrel | /var/spool/mail or ? |
| 04:22.53 | Guerin | wookienz: configure exim4 to deliver to ~/Maildir - in postfix it's as simple as can be |
| 04:22.59 | wookienz | wastrel, yes it went to the spool |
| 04:23.18 | Guerin | you could use sym,links as well, but it's uuuu-gly |
| 04:23.24 | wastrel | it is ugly |
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| 04:29.22 | Bogus8 | I've been trying to get bell to work here... I find settings on how to turn it off but they are commented out... yet I still get no bell |
| 04:29.45 | wastrel | is your system speaker plugged in |
| 04:29.55 | wastrel | if you choose visual bell do you get a visual bell |
| 04:29.59 | Bogus8 | wastrel: yes, it's a laptop and mplayer works fin |
| 04:29.59 | Bogus8 | e |
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| 04:30.08 | wastrel | oic lappy |
| 04:30.11 | Bogus8 | wastrel: good idea, let me check that |
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| 04:30.48 | Bogus8 | wastrel: yes, screen flashed with "visual" |
| 04:31.23 | wastrel | it's a stumper. |
| 04:31.45 | Bogus8 | wastrel: found it! PC Speaker was turned off in alsamixer ;) |
| 04:31.55 | Bogus8 | took coming in here and talking it out to think of that |
| 04:32.04 | wastrel | yes :] |
| 04:32.12 | Bogus8 | sometimes that's all it takes |
| 04:32.19 | Bogus8 | I've been working on it for 2 days ;) |
| 04:32.26 | wastrel | heh |
| 04:32.30 | Bogus8 | trying not to come in and ask about something lame like that |
| 04:33.02 | Bogus8 | use my nick so I can see if it will work on highlight via ssh and screen |
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| 04:33.53 | peterS | Bogus8: uh..? |
| 04:33.57 | tuv | should i be using nvi or vim? |
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| 04:33.59 | Bogus8 | that worked |
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| 04:34.05 | Bogus8 | thanks fellas! |
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| 04:34.08 | peterS | tuv: they're both fine. nvi is much smaller, vim is much more featureful |
| 04:34.27 | Bogus8 | can I change it from PC speaker to a wav or something? |
| 04:35.04 | wastrel | <3 vim |
| 04:35.13 | overnout | vim is very good |
| 04:35.17 | tuv | concept10, oh i've been there |
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| 04:35.19 | Guerin | emacs is very better |
| 04:35.22 | wastrel | i only know one emacs command |
| 04:35.23 | concept10 | just try botch |
| 04:35.32 | concept10 | ree.. both |
| 04:35.35 | overnout | emacs is too complicated for me |
| 04:35.38 | overnout | :P |
| 04:35.46 | tuv | concept10, is botch better than emacs |
| 04:35.50 | tuv | :) |
| 04:35.53 | concept10 | heh |
| 04:36.05 | wastrel | ok botch eh |
| 04:36.19 | concept10 | i would probably use xemacs if it used gtk 2 |
| 04:36.23 | peterS | if you want botched emacs, try jove, mg, or qemacs |
| 04:36.32 | Guerin | concept10: emacs-snapshot-gtk2? |
| 04:36.42 | peterS | they look a little bit like emacs, if you squint, but they don't have any of the features |
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| 04:37.05 | Guerin | all the bad UI, none of the coolness |
| 04:37.08 | wastrel | i like vim |
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| 04:37.40 | concept10 | Guerin, thanks! im going to try that |
| 04:37.52 | concept10 | didnt know that existed |
| 04:38.03 | peterS | Linus Torvalds used to use microemacs, which I think debian had in non-free for awhile, but doesn't now |
| 04:38.06 | Guerin | concept10: you might be underwhelmed ... I mean, how often does anyone actually use the emacs gui? |
| 04:38.17 | Guerin | the main purpose is for utf-8 internationalisation |
| 04:38.25 | wastrel | i have gvim on my windows box at work |
| 04:38.39 | concept10 | Guerin, I just hate the ugliness of gtk 1, I cant stand it |
| 04:39.05 | Guerin | concept10: no problem with emacs there. Never ised gtk1. |
| 04:39.05 | sid | Anyone know a website where you can buy minipci wireless cards, and actually know what the chipset is before you buy it?(So I can know the card will work with Debian GNU/Linux before I buy it) |
| 04:39.36 | peterS | concept10: see, this is why I always run emacs in '-nw' mode, so it uses an xterm, as opposed to some ugly toolkit. side benefit, I don't have to configure colors to get my favorite foreground/background because I already did that in my xterm |
| 04:40.15 | tuv | why is there emacs and emacs-snapshot? any worthy differences? |
| 04:40.28 | concept10 | I need to break my nice-GUI habits |
| 04:40.32 | peterS | emacs-snapshot is emacs 22, the next generation. who knows if it's any different in practice. |
| 04:41.08 | tuv | peterS, those who tried it |
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| 04:41.14 | concept10 | I know GUIs are fickle, but for some reason I hate horrid GUIs! |
| 04:41.18 | Guerin | tuv: i haven't noticed any, but there's probably some sort of glacial change happening deep in the bowels of the lispery |
| 04:41.37 | Azar | concept10: how about life without GUI ? |
| 04:41.50 | tuv | so given i haven't started yet, should i go with emacs or snapshot? |
| 04:41.57 | Guerin | my only need for a gui is web and pdfs |
| 04:42.01 | dclarke | I have a question about booting .. whats the magic incantation to get the machine to boot to the serial console only ? |
| 04:42.03 | Guerin | tuv: snapshot |
| 04:42.08 | peterS | a long time ago I was really excited that xemacs was being ported to Gtk. then a couple years went by and I noticed I wasn't really a fan of GUI mode in any emacs, so the actual toolkit was rather beside the point |
| 04:42.22 | peterS | dclarke: console=ttyS0, I suppose |
| 04:42.29 | peterS | dclarke: after the kernel image name, I mean, on the boot line |
| 04:42.32 | Azar | Guerin: what about web and pdf? |
| 04:42.36 | dclarke | okay .. thats what I am doing here .. thanks |
| 04:42.38 | tuv | and while at it, should i consider xemacs? |
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| 04:42.43 | Guerin | Azar: that's why I need X |
| 04:42.50 | Guerin | oh, and movies |
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| 04:42.53 | Azar | Guerin: I run X without GUI |
| 04:43.00 | Guerin | which are shit without -xv |
| 04:43.03 | concept10 | Guerin, you run GNUStep, right? |
| 04:43.09 | dclarke | peterS : I figured I needed to add in console=ttyS0,9600 |
| 04:43.10 | toothpick | What do you apt-get install to get your laptop buttons working? I have a presariom2000 |
| 04:43.16 | Guerin | concept10: fuck no. I run evilwm. |
| 04:43.20 | peterS | dclarke: yeah, I think 9600,8n1 is the default, but I'm not sure |
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| 04:43.43 | Azar | wait, I am dumb, I thought about desktop and icons... my bad |
| 04:43.43 | dclarke | perterS : I'll type that just to be pedantic .. can't hurt I guess |
| 04:43.46 | Guerin | Azar: oh, 99% of my computing is shell, firefox, urxvt and evince |
| 04:43.55 | Guerin | shell=urxvt |
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| 04:45.32 | Azar | I have confined myself for three years on cli before I rewarded myself with X. :) I survived pretty comfy |
| 04:45.57 | Guerin | computing isn't asbout pain for me |
| 04:46.00 | concept10 | I almost want to get a apple but I dont really think it will make my life any easier. I just want something that works. Im soooo tired of Firefox crashing |
| 04:46.01 | Guerin | it's about effort |
| 04:46.11 | Guerin | guis are more effort for most tasks I perform |
| 04:46.16 | peterS | Guerin: is wireless about pain for you? |
| 04:46.29 | Bogus8 | toothpick: I saw something about that when I went through dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
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| 04:46.43 | dclarke | peterS : thanks .. the kernel loads up and then after a short while something "wrong" happens and the terminal is silent |
| 04:46.44 | Azar | wireless is an extravaganza I will not indulge yet |
| 04:47.10 | Guerin | peterS: fucking wireless. Wireless was about buying shitty NICs with conflicting irq. |
| 04:47.34 | peterS | Azar: I'd like to have it, if only because I'd like to have a laptop that supports it. all I have at the moment are desktop machines that stay in one place so there's not a lot of point to getting any wireless equipment |
| 04:47.36 | Guerin | peterS: the problem was that ralink doesn't do unencrypted networks - so I *had* to enable WEP. |
| 04:47.45 | peterS | Guerin: oh. bleh. |
| 04:47.51 | Guerin | my approach was to get the network running without it, then enable shit as necessary. |
| 04:47.55 | Guerin | but noooo. |
| 04:48.03 | peterS | yeah, I would have done the same, so I would have fallen into the same trap |
| 04:48.07 | Guerin | but it';s all peachy now. |
| 04:48.11 | peterS | yay |
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| 04:48.19 | Guerin | if you can call WEP peachy. |
| 04:48.19 | jetscreamer | tkip |
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| 04:48.49 | Azar | like a young goat I am I have fixated this idea in my head: wireless could have the quality of a tv rabbit room antenna. :) |
| 04:49.33 | Azar | ah plus the buggy firmware |
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| 04:49.57 | Danamania | concept10: it's sane to hate horrid guis. and horrid CLIs |
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| 04:50.29 | Guerin | mmm, skatalites FTW |
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| 04:50.45 | alexcamilo | does anyone know where i can find instructions on making an instalable package? ( i have dependencies. i need to ad an inittd script. and i need to copy some files into specific places) |
| 04:50.49 | Guerin | now for dishes, lest my wife come home and discover I've been arseing around all day |
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| 04:50.57 | Guerin | while she earns teh bread |
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| 04:51.13 | concept10 | Guerin, great life |
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| 04:51.22 | delire | Azar: not that anyone here has ever associated young members of the Capra aegagrus hircus family with a naive capacity for aspiration. |
| 04:51.31 | Guerin | concept10: this is the life of a grad student who is avoiding his studies |
| 04:51.54 | concept10 | Guerin, what are you studying? |
| 04:51.56 | Bogus8 | how do you make alt keys work in xterm? |
| 04:52.00 | Guerin | concept10: polly sigh |
| 04:52.04 | Azar | delire: that sounds dramatically grand |
| 04:52.09 | delire | Guerin: i hope you're were wearing "I'm Blogging This" t-shirt while you wrote that. |
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| 04:52.31 | Guerin | delire: mm. it might say that in Korean. |
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| 04:53.30 | alexcamilo | can a .deb do that? |
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| 04:55.38 | peterS | Bogus8: depends what you want them to do. if you just want alt-a to send character 224 to the console app, I think all you really need is "Xterm.eightBitControl: true" in ~/.Xresources |
| 04:55.39 | peterS | Bogus8: oh sorry, XTerm, not Xterm |
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| 04:55.40 | Azar | look a hex IP |
| 04:55.40 | Bogus8 | peterS: I'm using irssi here and alt+num changes windows |
| 04:55.41 | peterS | Azar: yep, 2001:688:c33::1 |
| 04:55.41 | Azar | :) I start to get it |
| 04:55.44 | ribas | Is there a way to set a default C[XX]FLAGS to dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 04:56.26 | Azar | good night honorables :) |
| 04:56.44 | peterS | ribas: 'export DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS=noopt' in your shell, most packages will honor that by not passing -O2 to gcc |
| 04:57.23 | peterS | ribas: well, when I say "most packages" I guess I mean "some packages". I have no idea how well supported that one is |
| 04:57.37 | ribas | peterS: thx :) |
| 04:58.20 | yungknight | what is a typical setup for www-data? should it be the group or the owner of the files served to the public? |
| 04:58.49 | delire | Guerin: you have to keep on your toes when purchasing fashion items in the South Pacific. always keep a Lonely Planet by your side. |
| 04:59.42 | conver2 | is there someway to log nic errors? |
| 04:59.59 | unlink | uhh... mv: inter-device move failed: `/tmp/ut_logs/' to `tmp/ut_logs'; unable to remove target: Is a directory |
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| 05:00.33 | unlink | why didn't that work? |
| 05:01.09 | peterS | yungknight: generally, do not give the www-data user permission to write to the files it serves to the public. that's just asking for security problems. only give it write access to things that your scripts need to write to |
| 05:02.16 | deadcat | i am having trouble booting up my kernel on my qube3: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5055 it just stays there. |
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| 05:06.08 | Acu | I have installed SEPARATELY - Windows in a Harddisk (Primary on second IDE cable) - and Debian Etch GNU/Linux on Primary on first IDE cable - I tried to modify the grub list - but it seem I am not able to guess the Harddisk for Windows (1:0) ? |
| 05:06.08 | yungknight | peterS: ok. but i'm still not sure as to the permissions to give to to who. what permissions does www-data need in order for file uploads to work? |
| 05:06.08 | brick | not necessarily, just as long as the files are publicly readable |
| 05:06.08 | saberworks | hello, I just installed fuse-utils so I could use sshfs, and each time I reboot, I have to "modprobe fuse" in order to use it - is there a way to make the module load up each time I boot so I don't have to do that every time? |
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| 05:06.09 | peterS | yungknight: it needs write + execute access to the directory in which you expect the upload |
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| 05:06.23 | delire | deadcat: very weird. it's as though the kernel can't read from RAM post decompression. |
| 05:06.27 | dclarke | hello .. my system did boot but there is no network interface up and running .. for some reason |
| 05:06.32 | peterS | yungknight: read + execute access to any other directory, read access to any other file. read + execute for CGI programs. |
| 05:06.40 | dclarke | I'll assume that ifconfig works as expected in debian ? |
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| 05:07.01 | deadcat | delire: i dont know what that means.. i've tried a 2.4.32 kernel.deb i found online. and a 2.6.19.1 i compiled (.deb) same result |
| 05:07.42 | delire | dclarke: could be due to any one of a number of reasons. what's the card? is it supported at all? tried lsmod to see if the module's loaded? |
| 05:08.06 | delire | deadcat: what's the system memory on the host? |
| 05:08.11 | dclarke | oh .. yeah it is supported .. worked last week and the week before |
| 05:08.16 | Acu | Can we install windows in linux (maybe with wine) ? then install applications needed ? |
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| 05:08.31 | yungknight | peterS: ok. if i have other users logging in to edit files how do i accomodate this? |
| 05:08.33 | dclarke | for some obscure reason however my /etc/network/interfaces file was ignored |
| 05:08.50 | deadcat | delire: ah. i have 1 512MB pc133, and 1 265MB pc133. and it only shows 650MB. the manual say it only supports pc100 and up to 512MB |
| 05:09.05 | peterS | yungknight: they're logging in via some mechanism _other_ than apache, right? give them regular accounts with regular usernames, I guess |
| 05:09.10 | delire | dclarke: does it have auto <devicename> in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:09.35 | delire | dclarke: if not, then dhcp won't ask for an IP on init. |
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| 05:09.46 | dclarke | oh .. no .. just a line for iface eth0 inet static |
| 05:09.57 | dclarke | not using dhcp here |
| 05:10.24 | peterS | dclarke: well, you still need 'auto eth0' if you want eth0 to be brought up automatically at boot time |
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| 05:10.49 | dendrite | dclarke: The 'auto <device>' does not mean dhcp. |
| 05:10.50 | yungknight | peterS: so do i even need www-data as a group for the files, or do i just need to set the appropriate permissions? |
| 05:10.54 | dclarke | ah .. learning curve .. I'm still climbing it .. thank you |
| 05:11.06 | delire | deadcat: weird.. perhaps try a memtest? |
| 05:11.27 | deadcat | delire: boot in to the rom kernel. install memtest or something? |
| 05:11.59 | delire | deadcat: yeah i would do something like this. |
| 05:12.00 | peterS | yungknight: you have to figure out what you actually need. apache will be running as user www-data, group www-data. you can use group www-data for files as part of your access control strategy. but you have to figure out what permissions each actor (logged-in users, apache itself) actually needs |
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| 05:13.01 | dclarke | umm .. do I place DNS server info into /etc/resolv.conf as per usual ? |
| 05:13.14 | dclarke | sorry for the noob questions .. I'm better with Solaris |
| 05:13.31 | dendrite | dclarke: Yeah, /etc/resolv.conf should list your DNS servers. |
| 05:13.38 | delire | dclarke: yes whack your NS's into /etc/resolv.conf |
| 05:13.59 | dclarke | thanks .. I'm tryiong to get my route command correct first |
| 05:14.13 | delire | dclarke: if in doubt see '/sbin/route -n' |
| 05:14.49 | dclarke | odd .. my other machines can ping it .. but it can not do an nslookup |
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| 05:15.22 | cat | hey how can i disable eth0 on startup. and put eth1 as my default start up? |
| 05:15.35 | delire | cat see /etc/network/interfaces |
| 05:15.47 | dclarke | let me take a stab at that .. edit /etc/netowrk/interfaces |
| 05:16.04 | dclarke | ah .. okay .. look at that .. I have a clue but can not spell :-) |
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| 05:16.17 | delire | cat comment out 'auto eth0' and uncomment or enter 'auto eth1' |
| 05:17.12 | cat | # auto eth0 |
| 05:17.15 | cat | like that? |
| 05:17.20 | cat | or with out space |
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| 05:17.56 | delire | cat: doesn't matter |
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| 05:18.23 | dclarke | odd .. for a nslookup I get ;; connection timed out; no servers could be reached |
| 05:18.32 | delire | cat: the '#' in any shell interpreted script will tell the shell to ignore the remainder of the line |
| 05:18.53 | delire | s/script/script\ or\ file/ |
| 05:19.54 | cat | okay nice |
| 05:19.54 | cat | thanks |
| 05:19.59 | delire | np |
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| 05:20.35 | dclarke | fascinating .. I need to specify both a default net route and a gw by default also |
| 05:20.46 | dendrite | dclarke: And you've put the IP addresses (not names) in your /etc/resolv.conf file? |
| 05:20.59 | dclarke | yes .. works fine now |
| 05:21.04 | dclarke | the issue was routing |
| 05:21.15 | dendrite | dclarke: Ah. Gotcha. |
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| 05:21.31 | delire | you should only need to 'route add default gw <ip>' though.. |
| 05:21.45 | dclarke | unlink Solaris .. which has its own mental issues , with Debian I need to specify a default net route AND then a gateway also |
| 05:21.55 | Frew | What's the correct way to enter a PCI number in XF86Config-4? Anybody? |
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| 05:22.11 | dclarke | delire : oddly enough .. I did both |
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| 05:22.18 | cld2 | how would I go about installing the k8temp module? |
| 05:22.25 | dendrite | dclarke: You can just specify gateway and netmask in your /etc/network/interfaces file. |
| 05:22.26 | ToHellWithGA | i'd like to file a bug with the package dvdbackup. the package description says "tool to rip DVD's from the command line" which should certainly not say "DVD's" and might be better worded as "command line tool to rip DVDs" |
| 05:22.27 | pickcoder | dclarke: did you specify a netmask and gateway in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 05:22.37 | pickcoder | dendrite: <g. |
| 05:22.45 | delire | dclarke: hmm not so sure, i've only ever usually needed to add the default gw. anyway, glad it works. |
| 05:23.04 | ToHellWithGA | i am not a coder, but am a grammar fascist and thought that y'all might be able to commit that difference to the source somewhere |
| 05:23.10 | dclarke | yes I did .. however I failed to include that little term "auto eth0" and thus at boot time my interface was not working |
| 05:23.27 | dendrite | delire: If you don't supply a netmask, then routing has no idea what size your local net is... |
| 05:23.43 | delire | cld2: if modprobe -l | grep k8temp shows it's not available, and apt-cache search k8temp doesn't return a package that provides it, then you'll need to compile it. |
| 05:24.14 | cld2 | delire: thanks. can you explain to me the "supported" method of compiling a kernel in debian |
| 05:24.25 | pickcoder | ToHellWithGA: just file the bug and say there's a typo.. you still need to specify the specific package version and your debian version |
| 05:24.42 | delire | dendrite: yes, you often do need a netmask.. though in dclarke's case he said he needed a default net route aside from a netmask.. |
| 05:24.47 | ToHellWithGA | pickcoder: how does one file bugs with debian? i'm fully new to this |
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| 05:24.59 | dendrite | delire: You need both, they're different things. |
| 05:25.07 | delire | dendrite: yes they are. |
| 05:25.15 | pickcoder | ToHellWithGA: there's several ways.. look @ http://bugs.debian.org |
| 05:25.18 | dendrite | delire: I guess maybe netmask defaults to 24 bits? *shrug* |
| 05:25.21 | ToHellWithGA | thanks chief |
| 05:25.24 | pickcoder | also bugreport |
| 05:25.27 | pickcoder | package |
| 05:25.34 | delire | cld2: i'm not the guy to ask, i've been handrolling my kernels from kernel.org since '99. |
| 05:25.38 | pickcoder | or is it reportbug |
| 05:25.42 | dclarke | ssh: connect to host icarus port 22: Connection refused |
| 05:25.53 | dclarke | oops .. how does one get sshd going ? |
| 05:26.17 | pickcoder | it's reportbug |
| 05:26.20 | pickcoder | heh |
| 05:26.22 | dclarke | oh .. it looks like it is according to ps -ef \ |
| 05:26.23 | bucky | cld2, http://www.us.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-kernel.en.html#s-kernel-debian |
| 05:26.41 | delire | dclarke: # /usr/sbin/sshd |
| 05:26.52 | pickcoder | cld2: make-kpkg |
| 05:26.56 | dclarke | delire : I think it is running already |
| 05:27.06 | delire | dclarke: ps ax | grep sshd will tell you |
| 05:27.07 | cld2 | bucky, pickcoder: thanks. |
| 05:27.16 | pickcoder | cld2: it will generate a package based on any kernel source tree for you |
| 05:27.21 | pickcoder | you still need configure it though |
| 05:27.29 | delire | dclarke: if it is running out-of-the-box then i'd seriously consider that as a vulnerability. |
| 05:27.44 | cat | anyone here uses compiz |
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| 05:27.47 | cld2 | pickcoder: cool thanks. |
| 05:27.50 | chaotic | hey |
| 05:28.02 | dclarke | delire : I hope its running .. how else do I login to it |
| 05:28.04 | cld2 | I cant just go in and add the k8temp module and then do a make modules? |
| 05:28.43 | delire | dclarke: if it is running, and you need it running 24/7, then don't do what the idiots do and leave it sitting on port 22. |
| 05:28.46 | chaoticflaws | Has anyone installed WPA for thier wireless connections via console only? NO GUI style? |
| 05:28.47 | pickcoder | cld2: module-assistant |
| 05:28.55 | pickcoder | provided there's a source package for k8temp |
| 05:29.04 | pickcoder | for your current kernel version source |
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| 05:29.20 | cld2 | pickcoder: thanks again. very helpful |
| 05:29.25 | dclarke | delire : I prefer to be an idiot here and let it run on port 22 |
| 05:29.31 | pickcoder | otherwise, you should include the module in the kernel tree |
| 05:29.36 | pickcoder | and use make-kpkg |
| 05:29.39 | dclarke | delire : thus far I can not actually login to this box |
| 05:29.47 | cat | anyone here uses compiz |
| 05:29.49 | cat | ? |
| 05:29.50 | chaoticflaws | any console junkies in here? |
| 05:30.16 | dclarke | console junkies ? |
| 05:30.31 | chaoticflaws | yeah, i want to configure WPA with jsut console commands |
| 05:30.44 | chaoticflaws | my terrible google searching kept bringing up gui's |
| 05:30.55 | chaoticflaws | instructions |
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| 05:31.55 | pickcoder | chaoticflaws: look at wpasupplicant |
| 05:32.06 | chaoticflaws | k |
| 05:32.09 | chaoticflaws | anything else? |
| 05:32.22 | delire | dclarke: sure, though if your IP is external then consider yourself the bait of machines and their dubious owners. best to exec sshd on a port other than 22 imo. a username and password are just strings within fixed alphanumeric ranges. |
| 05:32.27 | pickcoder | not that I can remember.. I don't run 802.11a/b/g here |
| 05:32.34 | chaoticflaws | aight |
| 05:32.37 | chaoticflaws | thanks for the tips |
| 05:32.43 | dclarke | this ip is not external |
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| 05:33.19 | dclarke | also .. I use rsa key exchange |
| 05:33.36 | delire | dclarke: the really important one is ensuring that the line "PermitRootLogin no" exists in /etc/ssh/sshd_config |
| 05:33.53 | pickcoder | I've seen several wpa how-tos so I'm sure a wpasupplicant + debian search will find them |
| 05:34.02 | dclarke | oh .. well I hope that by definition that root cannot login via ssh |
| 05:34.09 | chaoticflaws | yup so far looking good |
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| 05:34.26 | delire | dclarke: also ensure you're not forwarding X over ssh. that's a biggie/ |
| 05:34.42 | pickcoder | I think root logins are enabled by default |
| 05:34.46 | delire | dclarke: root can login over ssh if enabled in that config. |
| 05:35.02 | pickcoder | X forwarding isn't, though, IIRC |
| 05:35.05 | delire | dclarke: you're dead in the water if your attacker is persistent. |
| 05:35.11 | jamesd | ssh disables root login by default in all distros i have ever seen |
| 05:35.12 | dclarke | delire : I'll look into it AFTER I can login at all |
| 05:35.13 | delire | dclarke: pickcoder's right IIRC |
| 05:35.21 | delire | dclarke: sure ;) |
| 05:35.35 | dclarke | hello jamesd |
| 05:35.35 | Guerin | wtf |
| 05:35.40 | dclarke | here to watch me flail ? |
| 05:35.45 | jamesd | hi dclarke |
| 05:35.48 | Guerin | what is the point in forbidding root longin again? |
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| 05:36.06 | dclarke | jamesd : I am working on the EFIKA here |
| 05:36.13 | pickcoder | Guerin: who knows.. the past few machines I've setup allowed root login |
| 05:36.20 | Guerin | yeh |
| 05:36.21 | Guerin | well |
| 05:36.22 | yungknight | peterS: thanks, i think i've set it up properly now |
| 05:36.24 | pickcoder | rkhunter complains about it |
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| 05:36.39 | Guerin | there's not much point in forbidding it if you have strong passwords |
| 05:36.41 | delire | Guerin: at leat putting the challenge of privledge escalation between you and your attacker ? |
| 05:36.42 | jamesd | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:36.42 | pickcoder | but I don't care b/c they're local-only machines |
| 05:36.48 | dclarke | jamesd : with a little luck I will get GRUB2 working on it |
| 05:37.06 | Guerin | delire: if they get my root password, they own me any which may |
| 05:37.12 | delire | Guerin: bollocks.. a password is just a string ffs |
| 05:37.21 | pickcoder | I don't allow SSH except for OpenVPN and local routes |
| 05:37.31 | Guerin | delire: yes. One without which you can't do much. |
| 05:37.35 | delire | Guerin: a username AND a password are two strings. then you have to get root. |
| 05:37.48 | hark | root login is enabled by default, iirc |
| 05:37.49 | Guerin | delire: again |
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| 05:38.03 | Guerin | delire: if your root password is breakable, you've already lost the war |
| 05:38.54 | steelhoof | trying to get webmin for Etch ... Package webmin has no installation candidate. Will sarge version work? |
| 05:39.02 | Guerin | if it's strong, there's no measurable benefit to forbidding ssh logins; and there can be a substantial penalty if things go wrong, such as if your box gets stuck before rm /etc/nologin |
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| 05:39.15 | pickcoder | steelhoof: it's just a source tree.. dump it in /usr/local/ |
| 05:39.23 | pickcoder | dpkg won't mess with it |
| 05:39.37 | pickcoder | what I mean is.. get the lastest stable |
| 05:39.39 | delire | Guerin: attacks are a time-based phenomenon. priviledge separation is an advantage, regardless of password strength. |
| 05:40.24 | Guerin | delire: an advantage which tends rapidly toward nil as password strength increases. |
| 05:40.41 | delire | Guerin: anyway, the most important stuff is in ~/ on most domestic and development systems... the ~/ password should be as strong as root's. |
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| 05:41.08 | Guerin | delire: but you don't control that, unless you're the only meatspace user. So you control what you can. |
| 05:41.15 | delire | of course |
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| 05:44.10 | delire | that said, it's likely that most of the world's computer's aren't multi-user. even in the case of UNIX systems, root is mostly an adminstrator on a single-user machine. /etc/, /usr/ /bin can be easily recreated. what's in ~/ on these machines is all important. |
| 05:44.40 | Guerin | not really |
| 05:44.49 | Guerin | since ~ will be backed up frequently |
| 05:45.21 | delire | Guerin: who does? |
| 05:45.33 | delire | only the astute and forward thinking. |
| 05:45.42 | Guerin | (though, admittedly, not as frequently as I should) |
| 05:45.56 | delire | i have rsync on a cronjob, but who else does? |
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| 05:46.28 | jamesd | delire, it makes a great backup solution... |
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| 05:46.59 | Guerin | i should make the cronjob happen more often |
| 05:47.21 | delire | the other day a girl came to me with her laptop and was desperate. she said "i don't care what happens to the laptop, just get my pictures off it". this describes the dominant investment paradigm humans have with computers worldwide. |
| 05:47.30 | lnast_ | wait. disabled root login is default? not in debian, not in openbsd, is the openssh default really to disable it? |
| 05:48.10 | hark | lnast_: nope |
| 05:48.11 | delire | the laptop was BSOD, but with her pictures on CD, she didn't give a toss about the machine. |
| 05:48.21 | Guerin | delire: there's a sign up on the noticeboards at my university: "Wanted: Computer whiz to fix problems with my laptop. Good rates." |
| 05:48.29 | delire | hehe |
| 05:48.29 | Guerin | no detail |
| 05:48.46 | delire | odd |
| 05:49.20 | pickcoder | Good rates... |
| 05:49.32 | dclarke | hello ? It looks like sshd is not installed at all .. whats the command to installed it ? aptitude install sshd |
| 05:49.41 | delire | lnast_: network login's can't be thrown into the same bag as local users.. |
| 05:50.02 | Guerin | really |
| 05:50.20 | delire | dclarke: apt-get install openssh-server |
| 05:50.25 | Guerin | if theo and the paranoiacs don't see fit to disable root over ssh, I don't see why anyone should |
| 05:50.25 | lnast_ | oh, i was refering to root login wrt to sshd, jamesd is trying to confuse me. or has already confused himself, i'm not sure :\ |
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| 05:50.37 | Guerin | (that said, their OS has nothing listening by default) |
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| 05:50.52 | dclarke | geez .. how would I know that .. |
| 05:50.56 | dclarke | thank you Sir ! |
| 05:51.05 | delire | dclarke: 'apt-cache search sshd' |
| 05:51.07 | pickcoder | package ssh has client and server |
| 05:51.10 | dclarke | is there a command to let me scan the catalog for a term or a set of chars ? |
| 05:51.18 | dclarke | delire : you are gifted |
| 05:51.25 | lnast_ | Guerin: they don't run sshd by default? i can't remember, and inetd? |
| 05:51.25 | dclarke | delire : you can read my mind ! |
| 05:51.28 | dendrite | dclarke: apt-cache search <keywords> |
| 05:51.44 | dclarke | oops .. error 404 not found |
| 05:51.53 | dendrite | dclarke: apt-cache show <package> to see a description... |
| 05:52.02 | delire | dclarke: 'apt-cache show <packagename>' gives you detailed description of the package and its dependencies. |
| 05:52.10 | dendrite | !refcard |
| 05:52.10 | dpkg | from memory, refcard is A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 05:52.46 | dendrite | !dk |
| 05:52.46 | dpkg | dk is, like, Hvis du vil tale dansk og få hjælp til debian, skriv /join #linux.dk in your irc client, also the country Denmark |
| 05:52.51 | delire | hehe |
| 05:52.53 | dendrite | Oops, wrong window. |
| 05:53.40 | delire | night all. |
| 05:54.56 | dclarke | looks like apt-get update is the right thing to do here |
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| 05:55.30 | jamesd | lnast_, if you find that sshd allows root login by default please file a bug report, its a major security bug and needs to be closed. and that is the default on all ssh installs i have ever seen.... |
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| 05:55.57 | Guerin | jamesd: bullshit. |
| 05:56.32 | conver2 | i need an app that would show the system hardware config. like bios version, memory... |
| 05:57.26 | dclarke | jamesd : I think that sshd specifically disallows root login on Solaris, RHEL4 and Fedora Core 6 |
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| 05:58.22 | dclarke | well then .. I need to run out and buy milk and do other trivial stuff |
| 05:58.26 | dclarke | back in 30 minutes |
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| 05:58.54 | jetscreamer | where is the warning to change the trust password (or so) in the java package , change it from 'changeit' |
| 05:59.35 | jetscreamer | in other words, why wasn't that in a 72 sized font when it got installed |
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| 06:00.54 | hagabaka | how do i check whether a package is installed? |
| 06:01.26 | cat | hagabaka: man aptitute |
| 06:01.37 | jetscreamer | dpkg -l |
| 06:01.38 | cat | hagabaka: man aptitude |
| 06:01.45 | conver2 | is there a way to find out the nic link setup. ie half or full duplex from the command line? |
| 06:01.54 | pickcoder | conver2: dmidecode for your first question |
| 06:02.04 | hagabaka | can i use apt-* do it? |
| 06:02.12 | pickcoder | conver2: mii-tool unless it's giga |
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| 06:03.44 | conver2 | i have a problem with my Intel Pro100+ (pe2450) where I cant ping the pc from outside, |
| 06:04.10 | pickcoder | maybe your ISP is blocking ICMP ping packets |
| 06:04.20 | conver2 | no local network. |
| 06:04.32 | pickcoder | er.. outside == local? |
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| 06:14.57 | steelhoof | pickcoder: got webmin installed. Thanks |
| 06:15.25 | jetscreamer | !webmin |
| 06:15.26 | dpkg | i heard webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 06:16.03 | steelhoof | foo! it has its uses in problem configurations |
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| 06:20.37 | centrx | THANKS DEBHELPER |
| 06:21.45 | centrx | !dpkg debhelper |
| 06:21.49 | centrx | !debhelper |
| 06:21.50 | dpkg | somebody said debhelper was a collection of programs that can be used in debian/rules files to automate common tasks related to building debian binary packages. For further documentation, see the man pages for dh_* commands. For an overview of debhelper, see the debhelper man page. #debian's eggdrop bot |
| 06:22.28 | bgat | I'm a udev noob. Is it possible to configure udev to call modprobe when a static device node with no driver is opened? |
| 06:22.42 | centrx | !udev |
| 06:22.43 | dpkg | udev is at http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/kernel/hotplug/udev-FAQ , Linux 2.6's userspace equivalent of DevFS, or dependent upon a kernel >= 2.6.15 in testing and unstable, or if you're having read-only problems with udev, read this for the solution: http://bugs.debian.org/383555 |
| 06:22.49 | centrx | !noob |
| 06:22.50 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 06:23.06 | centrx | sorry, the answer is I don't know |
| 06:23.13 | centrx | I'm just playing with the bot |
| 06:23.20 | bgat | centrx: well, I'll try the link. yea, the bot is cool, isn't it? :) |
| 06:23.30 | centrx | there is a lot of information in there |
| 06:24.07 | peterS | bgat: you don't need udev for this - if you have a device node but the corresponding driver isn't loaded, and someone tries to open it, the kernel will automatically 'modprobe -k block-major-M-N' where M,N is the device node address |
| 06:24.15 | peterS | bgat: well, block-major or char-major depending on the device type |
| 06:24.45 | bgat | aah, ok. so THAT'S why udevmonitor doesn't show anything when I open the device node... :) |
| 06:24.56 | peterS | bgat: see /etc/modprobe.d/aliases for how to convert 'char-major-10-1' for example into 'psmouse' |
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| 06:25.32 | bgat | ok, that much I can figure out. for some reason, I was thinking along the lines of "hotplug did that, and udev replaced hotplug, ..." |
| 06:25.47 | bgat | but hotplug doesn't really handle that, obviously. |
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| 06:26.10 | bgat | ok, time for some more caffeine. :) |
| 06:26.10 | peterS | bgat: well, devfs (remember devfs?) had some magic to try modprobe when you open a file in /dev which _does not exist_. udev can't do that, the device node must already exist |
| 06:26.35 | bgat | yea, I remember devfs. I miss it. kinda. udev is better. :) |
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| 06:26.58 | peterS | udev is better, but I kinda miss devfs too. I don't trust udev yet, I keep hearing about problems with it, so I still don't use it except on one machine I don't care about |
| 06:27.31 | bgat | so far, I haven't had any problems under etch. at least not lately. but I don't push things very hard, either. |
| 06:27.56 | dclarke | Linux icarus 2.6.19-rc6-g9468d500-dirty #35 PREEMPT Mon Nov 27 20:48:16 CET 2006 ppc GNU/Linux |
| 06:28.02 | dclarke | I have etch here also |
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| 06:30.51 | muhoo | how do i get the usb driver/subsystem to rescan the usb bus? |
| 06:31.02 | muhoo | there's a device definitely connected to that bus, but lsusb doesn't see it |
| 06:31.13 | muhoo | even running sudo |
| 06:31.36 | muhoo | if i powercycle the device, or unplug it and replug it in, then lsusb sees it as do all the relevant drivers for it |
| 06:31.46 | muhoo | i'm tired of plugging and unplugging, however :-) |
| 06:31.47 | peterS | muhoo: one common reason for this is a USB2 device that doesn't deal well with lack of USB2 host driver loaded. try 'modprobe ehci_hcd' |
| 06:32.24 | muhoo | nope, ehci_hcd was already loaded |
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| 06:32.47 | peterS | I don't know how to do what you want, then - whether it's even possible to tell the usb subsystem to rescan, without losing all your usb devices |
| 06:32.58 | muhoo | :-( |
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| 06:33.17 | muhoo | i was hoping there was a script somewhere like rescan-scsi-bus, which i used to rely on heavily |
| 06:33.40 | peterS | muhoo: I mean if you don't mind losing all your devices momentarily I think you can 'rmmod ehci_hcd; modprobe ehci_hcd' and same for uhci_hcd or ohci_hcd (whichever one you have) |
| 06:33.41 | codemarauder | how do i kill this process => root 19347 1 0 11:55 pts/1 00:00:00 /sbin/ip route flush cache |
| 06:33.48 | codemarauder | kill -9 19347 is ineffective |
| 06:33.50 | codemarauder | :( |
| 06:34.02 | muhoo | peterS: that'd lose my keyboard and mouse, it'd be bad |
| 06:34.21 | muhoo | oh well, i'll just unplug it again. |
| 06:34.44 | muhoo | this is interesting |
| 06:34.47 | muhoo | when i do that, i get |
| 06:34.50 | muhoo | usb 2-1: USB disconnect, address 3 |
| 06:34.55 | muhoo | usb 2-1: new full speed USB device using uhci_hcd and address 4 |
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| 06:35.04 | peterS | ah so something in the kernel does know it's plugged in |
| 06:35.06 | muhoo | usb 2-1: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 06:35.10 | muhoo | yep. |
| 06:35.21 | muhoo | then notices it got unplugged, then gives it a new address |
| 06:35.21 | peterS | what type of device is this? |
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| 06:35.33 | muhoo | Bus 002 Device 004: ID 0a4d:00b5 Evolution Electronics, Ltd |
| 06:35.48 | codemarauder | part #debian rebooting |
| 06:35.48 | peterS | no I mean what is it? the name of the chip vendor tells me nothing (: |
| 06:35.51 | muhoo | M-Audio Keystation Pro 88 |
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| 06:35.55 | muhoo | midi keyboard |
| 06:36.36 | Wyzard | Is there such a thing as MIDI over USB? |
| 06:37.28 | peterS | Wyzard: I don't see why not. a lot of audio professionals like to use laptops so they can more easily carry all their kit around, so professional sound systems (presumably including midi) are certainly available for USB |
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| 06:39.09 | MrOregon | hello |
| 06:39.37 | muhoo | yes |
| 06:39.48 | muhoo | it's a usb keyboard that transmits midi over USB |
| 06:40.07 | muhoo | it also has external midi ports for connecting to other controllers or sound modules |
| 06:40.31 | muhoo | the alsa driver talks to it |
| 06:41.14 | muhoo | http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/KeystationPro88-main.html |
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| 06:41.51 | blazemonger | is net-install working today? |
| 06:42.12 | blazemonger | it's like every time i do a net-install of debian gnome won't load |
| 06:43.26 | hark | blazemonger: any specific errors? |
| 06:43.32 | viss | hey guys.. i was wondering if someone could help me out with getting an IDE hard drive in an old machine I have to get into DMA mode? it seems to be in PIO mode and I cant figure out how to set it into DMA. I've tried the hdparm trick and it seems to be something kernel related. |
| 06:44.39 | blazemonger | stuff about xorg |
| 06:44.47 | blazemonger | im having to use slack right nwo |
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| 06:45.03 | blazemonger | like shouldnt net-isnt install all of the packages required? |
| 06:45.27 | hark | blazemonger: if it's the modules problem, it can be fixed quite easily |
| 06:45.31 | blazemonger | i tried stable to see if it was just testing |
| 06:45.39 | blazemonger | what modules problem? |
| 06:45.49 | hark | missing kbd, mouse etc. |
| 06:45.56 | blazemonger | i had that |
| 06:46.10 | blazemonger | and i tried to install the xserver-xorg-input packages needed and still no luck |
| 06:46.21 | blazemonger | i seem to have bad luck with linux |
| 06:46.28 | wookienz | hi, i just uninstalled sendmail but i keep getting cron messages saying it is trying to run it, how do i change cron for it to go away completely?!?!? |
| 06:46.35 | blazemonger | i know how to use it but getting stuff installed is crazy |
| 06:46.37 | hark | blazemonger: yes, the correct graphics driver is also not installed |
| 06:47.38 | hark | blazemonger: what's the driver in your xorg.conf (Section Device) |
| 06:48.28 | blazemonger | why isn't it installing it ? |
| 06:48.38 | blazemonger | right now in slackware? |
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| 06:48.42 | hark | blazemonger: because it's a bug |
| 06:48.43 | marek | hey |
| 06:48.47 | blazemonger | i dont have debian installed right now but i want to run debian |
| 06:48.53 | marek | i was wondering how to play urls with xmms? |
| 06:48.53 | blazemonger | the bug didn't exist before did it? |
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| 06:49.23 | hark | blazemonger: i've noticed this issue for about close to a month |
| 06:49.23 | marek | i was trying to play: http://bdcast-infinity-kroq-fm.wm.llnwd.net/bdcast_infinity_kroq-fm but it doesnt play.. it just goes to the next item |
| 06:49.46 | hark | but i think it's supposed to be fixed in the latest updates |
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| 06:50.08 | dansushi | is there any command in linux where you can make a certain command go off at a certain time? |
| 06:50.15 | blazemonger | hark: do you know when it will be fixed so newbies can use debian? |
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| 06:51.30 | hark | blazemonger: don't know. I think it's fixed now, but you can always use irssi or something and someone should be able to help you then. |
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| 06:52.15 | hark | blazemonger: or just install xserver-xorg-input-all and xserver-xorg-viseo-all and ruh dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg. |
| 06:52.28 | hark | *-video- |
| 06:52.54 | craigevil | ^^^ thats what I had to do ealier to get etch to go to a GUI rather than just a text prompt |
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| 06:53.16 | Go_on_Script | hu''''''''''''''''''' |
| 06:53.22 | Go_on_Script | vietnam dau het roi` |
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| 06:53.52 | craigevil | why doesnt it install kdb and mouse inputs by default? |
| 06:54.09 | lnast | my two cents: when i was new to gnu/linux, i could't get x working. so i used the console for a few weeks till i worked it out, it was *months* before i got sound working and wasn't sitting in silence [all that needed was a chmod of /dev/dsp too :| ] |
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| 06:54.52 | craigevil | took me a couple of hrs to figure it out, along with a nother 30 minutes getting nvidia driver installed |
| 06:55.02 | blazemonger | lnast: months before you got sound working? man i couldnt handle that since i use computers for multitrack recording |
| 06:55.21 | lnast | i got a radio and sat it on the desk :) |
| 06:55.24 | hark | !dbugs 405639 |
| 06:55.28 | dpkg | DONE:#405639:S[xserver-xorg] xserver-xorg: installs arbitrary -input and -video packages; Fri, 5 Jan 2007 07:18:02 UTC |
| 06:55.40 | hark | ^ i guess this is the one |
| 06:56.09 | blazemonger | arbitrary? |
| 06:56.13 | craigevil | "DONE" as in fixed? |
| 06:56.33 | blazemonger | i want something similar to slack but with easier package management heh |
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| 06:57.18 | hark | yes, now probably you'll get all the input and video drivers |
| 06:57.39 | hark | installed by default |
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| 07:01.35 | hagabaka | how can I setup exim4 to use different SMTP servers for each user? http://wiki.debian.org/GmailAndExim4 shows only editing global configuration |
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| 07:04.52 | marek | anyone? |
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| 07:09.28 | blazemonger | so that bug is easy to fix? |
| 07:09.35 | blazemonger | ok..i'll give Deb a try then |
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| 07:12.17 | silya | Hi all! How to automatically kill some process, for example bad pppd session? |
| 07:12.42 | lnast | at the risk of getting stoned. anyone know the windows equiv of /usr/bin/time? |
| 07:13.00 | zinx | date? |
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| 07:14.48 | lnast | date > log; prog; date >> log, mm, yeah, that would work |
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| 07:16.02 | hark | or cygwin |
| 07:16.09 | lnast | dunno how to get seconds for date/time though, ahh. fine. i'll install cygwin |
| 07:16.20 | blazemonger | is it true that Gentoo causes Global Warming? |
| 07:16.25 | lnast | was trying to avoid that, i mean i was told windows was just as powerful |
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| 07:16.36 | Annexx | Hi |
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| 07:16.37 | hark | haha |
| 07:17.43 | hark | !greenhouse |
| 07:17.44 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 07:18.05 | lnast | hello Annexx |
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| 07:18.39 | hark | !factinfo greenhouse |
| 07:18.39 | dpkg | greenhouse -- created by cthulfuego <~cafuego@macchiato.cc.com.au> at Tue Feb 8 22:39:40 2005 (701 days); it has been requested 211 times, last by hark, 56s ago. |
| 07:19.56 | centrx | !moo |
| 07:19.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you could be too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 07:20.07 | centrx | !factinfo moo |
| 07:20.08 | dpkg | moo -- last modified at Sat Dec 23 15:21:36 2006 by Gnurdux!n=gnurdux@c-69-251-233-242.hsd1.md.comcast.net; it has been requested 22 times, last by centrx, 11s ago. |
| 07:21.02 | centrx | !lose |
| 07:21.03 | dpkg | i heard lose is see windows. |
| 07:21.11 | centrx | !windows |
| 07:21.12 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 07:21.22 | centrx | !hacks |
| 07:21.36 | centrx | !tax |
| 07:21.58 | hark | centrx: /msg dpkg |
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| 07:22.41 | centrx | already done |
| 07:23.22 | karsten | lnast: How automatically, and defined bad as how? |
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| 07:24.31 | karsten | lnast: ...um. What OS are you running? seconds from 'date': date +%S (seconds component of current time) or 'date +%s' (seconds from epoch) |
| 07:25.18 | hark | karsten: windows |
| 07:25.25 | karsten | hark: Feh. |
| 07:25.41 | hark | lnast: there's logtime in the win2k3 res kit |
| 07:25.49 | Annexx | I have sarge installed and im trying to get apache 2.2 , the only way i can achieve this is by enabling unstable in my apt source |
| 07:26.03 | hark | Annexx: try backports |
| 07:26.06 | Annexx | when doing this apache 2.2 will get install but it wants to remove my kernel image |
| 07:26.25 | Annexx | okay ill try that |
| 07:26.38 | karsten | lnast: and as far as 'doze goes: install Cygwin. |
| 07:26.45 | lnast | sadly hit a brick wall. on ending the apps spits up a window saying "Progam has terminated, exit window? No/Yes" |
| 07:27.05 | blazemonger | hark: after i install debian testing i'm going to be back on here so i can install the steps |
| 07:27.11 | karsten | lnast: Install it harder... |
| 07:27.52 | hark | blazemonger: I may not be here, should be working instead. but leave a ping if you can't get it fixed |
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| 07:28.47 | deadcat | karsten: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5055 it doesnt do anything after that. what do i do? |
| 07:28.56 | blazemonger | hark: you think the bug will be fixed? |
| 07:29.03 | karsten | deadcat: context? |
| 07:29.13 | deadcat | ? |
| 07:29.33 | hark | blazemonger: hopefully ;) |
| 07:29.33 | karsten | deadcat: You're telling me this why? |
| 07:29.41 | deadcat | karsten: you might know? |
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| 07:29.53 | hark | !context |
| 07:29.53 | dpkg | i heard context is SCROLL UP, DAMMIT, or http://www.pragma-ade.nl/ |
| 07:29.56 | karsten | deadcat: How'd you get the output? |
| 07:29.58 | hark | hehe |
| 07:30.09 | deadcat | karsten: null modem |
| 07:30.20 | karsten | deadcat: Good call. |
| 07:30.39 | karsten | deadcat: Serial cable rocks. Oh yeah, you were nattering about this yesterday. |
| 07:30.42 | deadcat | karsten: i cant make it boot to the rom kernel.. that works.. but i need to boot to a 2.6 kernel instead |
| 07:30.53 | karsten | What HW? |
| 07:30.56 | deadcat | karsten: ya.. cost me $15 at compusa. gonna return it once the system is up |
| 07:31.05 | karsten | deadcat: Keep it. |
| 07:31.08 | karsten | Seriously. |
| 07:31.09 | deadcat | karsten: cobalt qube3, 300mhz. 10gig hdd, 650ram |
| 07:31.20 | deadcat | karsten: i can find one for $3. |
| 07:31.21 | karsten | Oh fuck. ARM? |
| 07:31.26 | deadcat | amd |
| 07:31.29 | karsten | OK. |
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| 07:32.27 | karsten | My guess is it's either not finding, or not liking, the second stage kernel. |
| 07:32.40 | karsten | I'm guessing there's some two-kernel monty going on? |
| 07:32.51 | karsten | What's the boot process on this puppy? |
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| 07:33.18 | deadcat | karsten: i pasted all the output.. unless you want to see the stuff when it boots up before what i pasted |
| 07:33.35 | karsten | deadcat: I'm wondering what you know about the qube's boot process. |
| 07:34.05 | deadcat | nothing much |
| 07:34.09 | karsten | You're talking about a ROM kernel. What I'm seeing suggests that there's a kernel that boots, and it's trying to get something off of /, and stops right there, after (allegedly) decompressing it. |
| 07:34.24 | karsten | deadcat: You've got a homework assingment. |
| 07:34.44 | karsten | deadcat: Find a solid description of qube bootprocess specific to your model qube. |
| 07:34.47 | deadcat | damn... i am SOOOO close to get this fucker up and running.. |
| 07:35.06 | karsten | deadcat: Well, until you can get a kernel running, I'd say you're not. |
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| 07:35.12 | deadcat | hehe |
| 07:35.41 | deadcat | cant i cancel memtest while its doing its thing/ takes fucking forever.. |
| 07:35.42 | karsten | Looks to me you've got the ROM running. |
| 07:35.51 | deadcat | ya |
| 07:35.59 | karsten | deadcat: Sure. It loops endlessly (memtest does). |
| 07:36.08 | karsten | Or are you talking about the BIOS memory check? |
| 07:36.09 | deadcat | damn |
| 07:36.19 | deadcat | no. just $ memtest |
| 07:36.30 | karsten | deadcat: What model? |
| 07:36.56 | karsten | deadcat: http://www.gnubies.com/linux/cobalt_qube.html |
| 07:37.45 | deadcat | karsten: that looks MIPS.. mine is i386 |
| 07:37.45 | karsten | deadcat: Sure it's not MIPS? |
| 07:37.55 | deadcat | thats a qube2 |
| 07:38.01 | karsten | What model are you? |
| 07:38.26 | deadcat | i dont know.. 300mhz |
| 07:38.27 | Dewi | man I hate the word sidewinder |
| 07:38.38 | karsten | deadcat: Stampings on bottom? |
| 07:38.46 | karsten | Dewi: Problem with snakes? |
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| 07:39.04 | Dewi | karsten: it's pretty much the only english word that false positives the pattern 'dewi' :P |
| 07:39.04 | deadcat | karsten: nope. |
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| 07:39.20 | karsten | Dewi: Heh. |
| 07:39.31 | karsten | Dewi: Anchor at start of line. |
| 07:39.59 | karsten | deadcat: qube 3? |
| 07:40.04 | deadcat | karsten: ya |
| 07:40.34 | karsten | deadcat: http://www.gurulabs.com/ocontent/rhl-cobalt-howto/redhat.qube3.howto.2.html |
| 07:40.41 | karsten | deadcat: RH but should be close |
| 07:40.49 | Dewi | karsten: nah, I am paranoid and don't want to miss those instances where people say things like: "That dewifool is a real... fool." |
| 07:41.14 | karsten | Dewi: Sidewinders suck ;-) |
| 07:41.18 | deadcat | karsten: i've found better howto.. debian howto. its just the kernel is not working. http://www.timntina.com/debian-sarge-cobalt-install <-- those fuckers dont reply to my posts |
| 07:41.36 | karsten | deadcat: They're smarter than me. |
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| 07:41.54 | karsten | deadcat: That's for a RAQ4. |
| 07:41.58 | karsten | deadcat: Different HW FYI. |
| 07:42.03 | netherworld | Hello! Anyone using silc with gaim? |
| 07:42.06 | deadcat | karsten: same |
| 07:42.13 | karsten | ! Anyone using silc with gaim? |
| 07:42.15 | netherworld | The plugin doesn't even appear. |
| 07:42.22 | blondie | !anyone |
| 07:42.23 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 07:42.31 | ktwilight | which command was it that can tell me which binary belongs to which package? |
| 07:42.39 | karsten | ktwilight: man dpkg |
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| 07:42.48 | ktwilight | that simple eh |
| 07:42.48 | netherworld | Got it! |
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| 07:44.51 | ktwilight | hm, doesn't tell me karsten :/ what i'm trying to do is find which package has mysql. i've installed mysql-server but it's not in there? |
| 07:44.53 | Annexx | does any one have a backport site for apache 2.2 on sarge ? |
| 07:46.02 | deadcat | karsten: http://sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/qube3/minicom.output heres what i see from null modem when i reboot |
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| 07:50.28 | nayyares | how can i check whether certain port is open or close in my server ? would it be correct to telnet that port from outside ? |
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| 07:50.51 | lnast | use netstat |
| 07:51.06 | lnast | or lsof, or what i do and nmap from another machine |
| 07:51.33 | lnast | [ports can be open but inaccessable due to firewalling] |
| 07:52.10 | lnast | yes, you could try to telnet to it from the outside |
| 07:52.11 | nayyares | lnast, yeah, this is the problem, i want to check it, but nmap is restricted on server |
| 07:53.31 | EdwardElric | what about netcat? |
| 07:53.46 | EdwardElric | or gnu netcat |
| 07:53.54 | EdwardElric | it can scan ports too |
| 07:54.11 | lnast | is telneting to a port and netcating to a port to see if its open about the same? |
| 07:54.15 | nayyares | EdwardElric, netcat can scan remote machine scanning ? |
| 07:54.18 | lnast | [tcp port, anyway] |
| 07:54.26 | EdwardElric | nayyares yes |
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| 07:54.47 | EdwardElric | netcat has a scan function |
| 07:54.56 | yggdrasi1 | lol |
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| 07:55.12 | karsten | deadcat: NFC here, and it's bedtime. |
| 07:55.16 | karsten | deadcat: G'luck. |
| 07:56.06 | yggdrasi1 | hello all |
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| 07:56.48 | EdwardElric | nc -v -z ipaddress 1-1024 |
| 07:56.52 | EdwardElric | something like that |
| 07:57.00 | unix_infidel | bah, youtube is down ;( |
| 07:57.10 | yggdrasi1 | ;) |
| 07:57.14 | yggdrasi1 | who cares? |
| 07:57.27 | ktwilight | i do |
| 07:57.38 | yggdrasi1 | are you in brazil? |
| 07:58.36 | Guerin | OMG just think of all the life-changing videos of people lighting their farts you're missing! |
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| 07:58.52 | yggdrasi1 | oh |
| 07:59.05 | narma | hello, where can i find mplayer for debian etch ? thanks :) |
| 07:59.39 | ktwilight | !marillat |
| 07:59.40 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 07:59.54 | Guerin | narma: mplayer is in etch, i think |
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| 08:00.09 | Guerin | yep |
| 08:00.11 | Guerin | sure is |
| 08:00.15 | tuv | how do i get the x font: -bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-medium-r-*-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-*-* ? |
| 08:00.38 | Guerin | tuv: /msg dpkg search |
| 08:01.05 | tuv | Guerin, should there be a file named like this? or could it be just an alias is an alias file? |
| 08:01.07 | stoned | Guerin, in the debian main repo? |
| 08:01.30 | narma | mplayer is into official debian repositories ?? before I have to add nerim repository to have mplayer... |
| 08:01.30 | Guerin | tuv: a package called ttf-bitstream-vera or somesuch |
| 08:01.31 | Guerin | it's in main |
| 08:01.35 | tuv | Guerin, that's not it. that's ttf |
| 08:01.38 | Guerin | don't take my word for it... |
| 08:01.50 | Guerin | tuv: i think it includes all of them |
| 08:01.51 | tuv | Guerin, i have that installed already |
| 08:01.55 | stoned | tuv, where do you want this font btw? |
| 08:02.00 | tuv | stoned, emacs |
| 08:02.06 | Guerin | tuv: i used bv for x apps a while back |
| 08:02.06 | stoned | in X? |
| 08:02.14 | tuv | stoned, yes |
| 08:02.16 | Guerin | tuv: oh, not in there now? mm. |
| 08:02.17 | stoned | you have to enable bitmap fonts |
| 08:02.20 | blondie | ew emacs |
| 08:02.24 | narma | thank you Guerin :) |
| 08:02.31 | stoned | and then you'll be able to select it in the font selection place thingy |
| 08:02.34 | stoned | whatever |
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| 08:02.41 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 08:02.46 | stoned | enable bitmap fonts by default |
| 08:02.53 | stoned | some such crap.. I dunno. |
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| 08:03.36 | stoned | I've got 866mhz sony vaio from 2000 with 128mb ram |
| 08:03.46 | Guerin | eew, sony |
| 08:03.51 | Guerin | surprised it's still going |
| 08:03.59 | malex | Hi. I had a misfortune of running debfoster2aptitude, which caused a massive removal of packages from my system. Now I'm getting 'Unable to resolve host' errors from apt-get and aptitude. Networking seems to be working fine, so it's something apt related. What could have I broken by my stupid fiddling? |
| 08:04.08 | Guerin | this is for my little sister, who starts university next year |
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| 08:04.28 | Hoxzer | btw what is the lighest display manager or is there any difference? |
| 08:04.36 | stoned | it was free and yes still going, overclocked slightly too, upgraded now, with 250gb hdd, 256mb 7600gs agp, 512mb ram |
| 08:04.38 | Guerin | Hoxzer: no difference, really |
| 08:04.42 | Hoxzer | :O |
| 08:04.52 | tuv | stoned, is that dpkg-reconfigure all i need? don't i need to generate something afterwards? |
| 08:05.06 | stoned | tuv, it will take care of font cache regeneration etc. |
| 08:05.21 | tuv | Guerin, what's bv? and what's wrong with 'there'? |
| 08:05.21 | Guerin | Hoxzer: well, a little. But not too much. GDM and KDM probably use a bit more ram since they have qt and gtk. But I'd be surprised if you notice. |
| 08:05.33 | Hoxzer | does soembody here have problems with aoss with programs like skype/ts2? |
| 08:05.36 | Guerin | tuv: bv = bitstream vera. There = not here. |
| 08:05.44 | yggdrasi1 | stoned, can a PS3 beat your trash? |
| 08:05.58 | tuv | stoned, so how do i trigger the regeneration? or am i set now? |
| 08:05.58 | Hoxzer | Guerin: I'm currently using xdm @ laptop |
| 08:06.21 | stoned | yggdrasi1, I didn't upgrade it, I gave it to my roommate for free, he put in the bits. Eitherway, what he put into the machine he can easily use in a newer machine. For a free system it aint bad. |
| 08:06.32 | tuv | Guerin, 'There = not here' is not an answer to "what's wrong with 'there'" |
| 08:06.47 | Guerin | tuv: i didn't understand the question, so I mad-libbed ;) |
| 08:06.55 | tuv | <Guerin> tuv: oh, not in there now? mm. |
| 08:07.10 | Guerin | tuv: oh, there = ttf-b-v package |
| 08:07.12 | yggdrasi1 | stoned, you're kind |
| 08:07.13 | stoned | tuv, reconfigure, go through the options, enable bitmap fonts, let the program run and go back to shell prompt |
| 08:07.16 | Guerin | in which I swear they used to live |
| 08:07.20 | stoned | yggdrasi1, I got it for free too |
| 08:07.25 | yggdrasi1 | O.o |
| 08:07.43 | yggdrasi1 | free = five fingers discount? |
| 08:07.47 | tuv | stoned, it returned instantly after choosing the options (dpkg-reconfigure) |
| 08:07.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:07.56 | Guerin | some guy owed him an ounce |
| 08:07.57 | stoned | someone gave me 512mb ram and a p4 2.4c0 cpu. I bought a mobo, hdd, dvd burner, case, psu, hehe... |
| 08:08.45 | malex | What library does apt use for dns resolution? |
| 08:09.17 | tuv | stoned, and emacs still can't find the font |
| 08:09.22 | stoned | tuv, you should be able to select it now in any gtk apps. For gtk2 apps, the fonts should show up now. So now you can select those fonts to be used in X/Gnome/Kde. As far as being able to use in x emacs or emacs or whatever, I have no idea. I don't use that stuff. |
| 08:09.32 | mercer_khd | hi |
| 08:09.48 | yggdrasi1 | hi |
| 08:09.53 | stoned | tuv, maybe emacs has a .dot file config and you need to specify it there ? |
| 08:10.23 | hark | malex: maybe check /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:10.37 | tuv | stoned, right. it just feels that i need to do one more thing to trigger the generation of these bitmap fonts. dpkg-reconfigure didn't seem to do that. it just asked for the options and returned instantly |
| 08:10.49 | nayyares | when we open a port and do netstat, as there is no application running on that port, will netstat shows status of the port or not ? |
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| 08:11.58 | hark | tuv: fc-cache? |
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| 08:14.20 | tuv | still no bitstream vera in xlsfonts output :( |
| 08:14.22 | malex | hark: resolv.conf is fine. The networking is working well. "dig ftp.us.debian.org" shows me the IPs, but apt-get update gives Could not resolve 'ftp.us.debian.org'. I ran strace and ltrace on apt and on aptitude, but all I got was read(15, "400 URI Failure\nURI: ftp://ftp.u"..., 64000) = 171 |
| 08:14.54 | tuv | stoned, i'm trying to find it with xlsfonts, so it's not emacs' fault |
| 08:14.59 | stoned | tuv, can you see it in gtkfontsel? |
| 08:15.22 | tuv | stoned, won't that find tt fonts too? |
| 08:15.30 | stoned | i dont' think so |
| 08:15.34 | stoned | maybe |
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| 08:16.02 | tuv | stoned, i do see the font in many gtk apps, but that could be truetype for all i know |
| 08:16.26 | tuv | stoned, as i used to see it before doing any of this fontconfig stuff |
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| 08:16.50 | tuv | stoned, xlsfonts lists a number of bitstream fonts, just not vera |
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| 08:17.00 | stoned | well, you could run an xterm, specify the resource to use that font, ~/.Xresources, etc., and run emacs in there and you'll have that font, cli mode emacs |
| 08:17.37 | tuv | stoned, yes. i did that already. but now i'd like to have that font in emacs in x mode |
| 08:17.42 | stoned | hehe |
| 08:18.08 | stoned | I'd like a lifetime supply of pot and a halfway decent country where its legal. |
| 08:18.18 | stoned | doesn't mean its gonna happen. |
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| 08:19.20 | stoned | tuv, I don't know any more than that I'm afraid. Sorry, but hey, good luck. |
| 08:19.48 | yggdrasi1 | ... |
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| 08:20.37 | tuv | stoned, thanks.. it's alright. i knew i'll have some problems with emacs, just not fonts! |
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| 08:28.20 | steelhoof | anyone know a listing of ports to open on a firewall to make windows networking happy? (yeah, I have windows users to support) |
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| 08:29.31 | iain | Is there a way to know what package a certain file on my drive came from? |
| 08:30.29 | nvz | iain: packages.debian.org, apt-file |
| 08:30.36 | steelhoof | google the file name |
| 08:31.02 | nvz | steelhoof: yes, google is all knowing and great.. however your response stunk |
| 08:31.18 | steelhoof | It was there for laughs |
| 08:31.38 | nvz | steelhoof: what do you mean by "windows networking" and "happy" |
| 08:32.05 | nvz | steelhoof: do you mean samba/lanman/msfps? |
| 08:32.18 | meff | is there a metapkg for all the main utils of nix (whois, host, telnet, etc..) .. if so, what's its name? |
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| 08:33.34 | steelhoof | It is late, I am on a hunt. We have windows uses in a remote location. with firewall in place all windows browsing is stopped. This includes all important email. I don't want my newly rebuilt etch server standing naked w/o a firewall. |
| 08:34.09 | nvz | meff: according to our maintainers the main utils are in util-linux and its required.. your definition of what is the "main utils of nix" is your opinion |
| 08:35.36 | meff | nvz: i know about util-linux, just wondering if there is something more broad for console-only machines.. that would rule in things like whois and host and those tools. |
| 08:35.36 | nvz | steelhoof: well if you mean any possible service and protocol a windows user could use then open all 65,635 ports.. otherwise be specific .. or just go to bed |
| 08:35.36 | steelhoof | before this server was another one that did the same thing but it was cracked and now I have it in place *except* a firewall that allows windows users to browse across an openvpn tunnel carefully crafted to keep them safe. |
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| 08:36.22 | steelhoof | I was looking for a reference. the listing I have found on microsoft.com is inadequate/incomplete. |
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| 08:36.51 | steelhoof | and yes, I would love to fall into bed. my day started 18 hours ago. |
| 08:37.18 | nvz | meff: not that I know of.. I consider less, screen, links2, mped, irssi/irssi-text, cplay, aumix, htop...etc all kinds of things to be essential for console only boxes but again thats just my opinion there is no de-facto standard of what toolkit should be used its a matter of preference |
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| 08:37.40 | steelhoof | but thanks nvz |
| 08:37.48 | nvz | steelhoof: heh |
| 08:37.54 | meff | nvz: okay, thx.. i'll hack up a metapkg to install my preference then :) |
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| 08:38.46 | nvz | meff: yeah sounds good.. I'd encourage that sort of thing.. and I'd been thinking about doing that sort of thing myself making my own set of metapackages for my fav categories of apps, but I am too lazy to learn how I guess |
| 08:38.55 | steelhoof | real life sux rox |
| 08:39.13 | nvz | steelhoof: where'd that blub come from |
| 08:39.27 | blazemonger | http://pastebin.ca/312870 |
| 08:39.40 | blazemonger | the non-free repositories aren't available |
| 08:39.41 | steelhoof | nvz ? |
| 08:39.45 | blazemonger | what happened to the non-free branch? |
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| 08:39.55 | akrus | hello |
| 08:40.07 | akrus | I've removed debian-sys-maint user xD |
| 08:40.09 | blazemonger | i installed testing |
| 08:40.12 | akrus | how to add it back? :) |
| 08:40.28 | blazemonger | how do i fix that problem? i want to access the non-free repositories |
| 08:41.09 | blazemonger | mmmm.. |
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| 08:43.04 | blazemonger | http://pastebin.ca/312870 |
| 08:44.28 | nvz | steelhoof: what triggers one to randomly say "real life sux rox" is what I was asking |
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| 08:45.23 | blazemonger | http://pastebin.ca/312870 |
| 08:45.45 | steelhoof | Just the reality tat supporting a closed and poorly documente operation evironment is causing me major grief. |
| 08:46.15 | nvz | steelhoof: heh, yeah I hate that too. |
| 08:46.16 | sep | akrus, restore from you latest backup |
| 08:46.22 | steelhoof | the users have to access mail and I don't like a naked server |
| 08:46.47 | akrus | ~_~ |
| 08:46.55 | apt | :/ |
| 08:46.56 | ravenbird | [_~] sour face |
| 08:46.56 | akrus | like if I have it |
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| 08:47.14 | steelhoof | tonight it is a naked server that has been a target, not smart in my book. |
| 08:48.23 | nvz | blazemonger: will have to use a different mirror that one doesnt mirror the non-free section I just checked they only have main and contrib for testing see for yourself in a browser http://distro.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/distributions/debian/dists/testing/ |
| 08:48.54 | sep | akrus, then just make a new user, connectable only from localhost, give it all permissions and a long safe password. then update the /etc/mysql/debian.cnf file with the password |
| 08:48.57 | blazemonger | nvz you got a list of mirrors? |
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| 08:50.07 | nvz | !mirrors |
| 08:50.08 | dpkg | [debian mirrors] use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 08:50.24 | blazemonger | im using testing |
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| 08:50.44 | nvz | yeah I noticed |
| 08:51.21 | nvz | what I wonder is that mirror you got there on the official mirrors list and is it against policy to be on there and not mirror non-free |
| 08:51.34 | blazemonger | how do i run the prog that asks me to select mirrors? |
| 08:51.41 | RvGaTe | morning |
| 08:52.05 | blazemonger | i cant find the deb-http sources |
| 08:52.08 | nvz | blazemonger: I dont know how thats done in testing.. juts look at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 08:52.50 | blazemonger | how do i install this? |
| 08:53.34 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 08:54.07 | jetscreamer | #deb ftp://ftp.<countrycode>.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 08:54.55 | blazemonger | will this work? |
| 08:55.01 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 08:55.29 | blazemonger | it's not connecting when i do apt-update |
| 08:55.49 | jetscreamer | e.g. deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 08:56.14 | blazemonger | what about deb-src? |
| 08:56.21 | blazemonger | and deb sec update |
| 08:56.54 | jetscreamer | http://linux.hfds.com/files/sources.list |
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| 08:59.10 | blazemonger | i didnt know the deb updates didnt support non-free packages anymore |
| 08:59.45 | jetscreamer | add them |
| 08:59.51 | blazemonger | oh and what's debian marliat? |
| 09:00.04 | jetscreamer | topsekret |
| 09:00.04 | blazemonger | i have added them..it says it doesnt exist |
| 09:00.19 | jetscreamer | old url also |
| 09:00.29 | jetscreamer | the bot knows |
| 09:00.40 | jetscreamer | maybe if you ask him nicely, in priv |
| 09:01.05 | Guerin | dpkg: loose lips sink ships! |
| 09:01.05 | dpkg | You lose lips sink ships!! [and guerin can't spell, either.] |
| 09:01.14 | Guerin | ... |
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| 09:01.52 | jetscreamer | !loose the kraken! |
| 09:01.53 | dpkg | You lose the kraken!! [and jetscreamer can't spell, either.] |
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| 09:02.27 | blazemonger | where can i get larger mouse cursors? |
| 09:02.41 | jetscreamer | crystalcursors are cool |
| 09:02.46 | Guerin | blazemonger: update-alternatives |
| 09:02.58 | blazemonger | update-alternatives? what's that? |
| 09:03.14 | jetscreamer | a thing that updates alternatives... |
| 09:03.27 | jetscreamer | man update-alternatives |
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| 09:04.27 | blazemonger | got a cmd line i can use to get them? |
| 09:04.27 | jetscreamer | !tell blazemonger -about marillat |
| 09:05.06 | blazemonger | mmm |
| 09:05.07 | jetscreamer | apt-get install crystalcursors ? |
| 09:06.03 | blazemonger | thanks bro |
| 09:06.25 | jetscreamer | then if you're not using gnome or something with a nice interface to do it for you, man update-alternatives |
| 09:06.53 | hark | blazemonger: did you get the Xorg error this time? |
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| 09:08.12 | cvip | Help!How to change cosole font? |
| 09:08.41 | blazemonger | brb |
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| 09:08.44 | blazemonger | hawk luck |
| 09:09.02 | blazemonger | hawk it did it this time i think it got fixed or something i downloaded a daily install |
| 09:10.09 | cvip | Help! How to change font in cosole mode. |
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| 09:10.24 | blazemonger | Debian isn't half bad..i installed testing |
| 09:10.32 | blazemonger | it's alot more stable than Ubuntu |
| 09:10.32 | silya | how tell `cut` that delimiter - new line? '\n' !work |
| 09:10.42 | hark | ah, so it's finally fixed. |
| 09:10.46 | blazemonger | Ubuntu introduced me to Debian lol. |
| 09:11.31 | blazemonger | thats what it looks like..unless i'm hallucinating |
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| 09:12.28 | gimmulf | Hi, where is "cd" located? it aint in bin/ and not /usr/bin either |
| 09:12.35 | gimmulf | which cd gives me no output |
| 09:12.50 | gimmulf | but i can use it |
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| 09:13.32 | hark | gimmulf: it's a builtin |
| 09:13.37 | gimmulf | when i run "cd dir/" it works but when i run "sudo cd dir/" it says command not found |
| 09:13.43 | hark | gimmulf: 'type cd' |
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| 09:14.06 | MajorPayne | I am trying to install sftp. It says: "Package sftp is not available, but is referred by another . . . ". It says it has been obsoleted or is only available from another source. If it is obsoleted what would be the newer version and if it is abailable from another source what would that source be? |
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| 09:14.53 | gimmulf | hark: do you have any idea why it says command not found when i run sudo cd ? |
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| 09:15.24 | gimmulf | hark: and shouldnt "which cd" give some output? |
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| 09:16.09 | blazemonger | mm interesting..i used to get those all the time the last time i tried Debian |
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| 09:16.56 | hark | gimmulf:run --> type cd |
| 09:17.19 | hark | man sh |
| 09:17.49 | blazemonger | hark: will i get the errors majorpayne has this time in Debian hark? |
| 09:18.06 | steelhoof_ | woof, that was rough |
| 09:18.09 | blazemonger | it would be nice if the packages in distros were pre-tested it gives false hopes |
| 09:19.11 | MajorPayne | humm, would sftp be in the non free sources? |
| 09:19.12 | hark | blazemonger: i don't know what erros MajorPayne got |
| 09:19.53 | MajorPayne | hark: when I tryed to install sftp it said that it was mentioned in other packages but it couldn't find it or something like that |
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| 09:20.04 | hark | gimmulf: probably sudo sh -c 'cd dir' etc. or there may be some other hack. |
| 09:20.05 | blazemonger | installing a package and it ends up saying "package sftp is not available but it is referred to by another" |
| 09:20.06 | cahoot | openssh |
| 09:20.19 | blazemonger | "it has been obsoleted or is only available from another source" |
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| 09:20.41 | blazemonger | i just tried installing mplayer |
| 09:20.44 | blazemonger | it didnt work |
| 09:21.07 | MajorPayne | cahoot: I already have openssh, maybe I just need to configure sftp? |
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| 09:21.24 | cydork | MajorPayne: sftp is part of openssh-client package. |
| 09:22.05 | MajorPayne | cydork: ahh, thanks, I already have sshd configured |
| 09:22.14 | blazemonger | or when i ran ubuntu when i selected on certain screensavers they froze my system |
| 09:22.29 | blazemonger | i dont see how ubuntu is marketed as being stable |
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| 09:23.49 | Rondie | hi there! |
| 09:24.40 | Rondie | I was wondering if there is a way to 'audit' an installed package, and check if al the installed files are still the same as the package has provided them |
| 09:24.59 | lnast | debsums |
| 09:25.39 | Rondie | that easy huh? |
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| 09:25.42 | Rondie | :) |
| 09:25.59 | Rondie | thanks very much Inast! |
| 09:26.00 | comsa | sarky ?? |
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| 09:27.13 | blazemonger | Rondie: : im having trouble with updating packages |
| 09:27.42 | Rondie | what problems blazemonger? |
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| 09:29.50 | ph1L | hai all. i installed debian via these 2 dvds. i installed xserver-xfree86, x-window-system, x-window-system-core, gdm and gnome. if i try to connect i get an error. it says xrdb: Can't open display ':0' how can i fix it ? |
| 09:31.02 | snail | ph1L: exactly how are you trying to connect? |
| 09:31.07 | Guerin | ph1L: run `startx' |
| 09:31.19 | Guerin | if gdm isn't running |
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| 09:32.06 | ph1L | i try to connect in this graphic mode. |
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| 09:32.44 | cahoot | connect from where? how? |
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| 09:33.21 | ph1L | startx: Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 |
| 09:33.28 | Guerin | ph1L: good. |
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| 09:34.56 | blazemonger | Rondie: its not connecting to repositories |
| 09:35.17 | ph1L | Guerin why is this good ? |
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| 09:36.27 | blazemonger | it's running slow u[pdating like dialup speed anmd im on cable |
| 09:36.27 | comsa | maybe he sould run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ph1L that is |
| 09:36.27 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 09:36.27 | blazemonger | this is giving me lack of hope for linux |
| 09:36.54 | blazemonger | but i don't wanna go out and go broke over windows its too expensive |
| 09:36.59 | DevilChaos | do not lose hope |
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| 09:37.21 | hark | gimmulf: any reason as to why you would need to sudo cd? |
| 09:37.33 | blazemonger | DevilChaos: "Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server |
| 09:37.42 | blazemonger | "do you want to continue ignoring these packages" |
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| 09:37.47 | Burnlounge_vubuc | www.vubucon.com join the music industry we are sponsor by justin timberlake and montell jorday whose new release will only be release on my site !!! |
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| 09:37.56 | DevilChaos | which packages and what mirror ar you using? |
| 09:38.06 | hark | blazemonger: choose another mirror |
| 09:38.21 | gimmulf | hark: im using a thing called capistrano to deploy some rubyonrails apps from my local machine to the server and it runs that in a script when deploying |
| 09:38.27 | gimmulf | havent got it working yet |
| 09:38.34 | karmatronic | blazemonger: or run apt-get update and try again |
| 09:39.10 | blazemonger | i did |
| 09:39.20 | blazemonger | hark: i dont know of any other mirrors that are fast enough |
| 09:39.30 | blazemonger | i have ftp.us.debian.org |
| 09:39.36 | gimmulf | hark: line 26 http://pastie.caboo.se/32545 |
| 09:39.46 | blazemonger | that's a stable mirror isn't it? |
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| 09:40.34 | blazemonger | itz like do i choose slackware and spend hours compiling my software or use debian or ubuntu and end up installing audio software that doesn't work |
| 09:40.57 | Guerin | blazemonger: it's a round-robin. Try another. |
| 09:41.00 | DevilChaos | debian is the way forward |
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| 09:41.09 | Guerin | blazemonger: use apt-spy to find fast mirrors |
| 09:41.38 | comsa | netselect ?? |
| 09:41.41 | DevilChaos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 09:42.05 | splaine | debian is a gateway linux to lfs |
| 09:42.12 | Guerin | hah |
| 09:42.13 | cahoot | preaching to the choir? |
| 09:42.16 | Guerin | no way, debian is the cure |
| 09:42.27 | Guerin | it makes you much too lazy for lfs |
| 09:42.47 | splaine | i'll agree there |
| 09:43.01 | Rondie | with 100+ debian servers to manage, I never feel lazy using debian |
| 09:43.14 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:43.14 | lnast | linux is a kernel :| |
| 09:43.24 | Guerin | just imagine 100+ slack/gentoo servers |
| 09:43.30 | Rondie | ... |
| 09:43.33 | DevilChaos | urgggg |
| 09:43.36 | Rondie | I think I'll faint now |
| 09:43.36 | cydork | there are gentoo servers? :) |
| 09:44.01 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:44.03 | blazemonger | apt-spy command not found |
| 09:44.13 | Guerin | !installit |
| 09:44.13 | dpkg | *** NEWS FLASH! *** Your box does not come with every app, tool and utility known to debiankind installed already. If you find that the program you've been told to use isn't there, install it. Also ask me about <search>. if someone suggests an application to you, it's highly likely that it's available via apt-get |
| 09:44.14 | lnast | it baffles me people who run gentoo on VPSs, where they proceed to piss off everyone else on the same host |
| 09:44.14 | cydork | !installit |
| 09:44.19 | MajorPayne | I used gento before, I tryed a lot of distributions, but I came back to debian and will never leave |
| 09:44.23 | Guerin | lnast: fuck yeah. |
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| 09:44.41 | MajorPayne | gentoo* |
| 09:44.41 | Guerin | i used gentoo for almost a year, on a p3-866 |
| 09:44.45 | blazemonger | how do i use apt-spy |
| 09:44.48 | Guerin | at work :) |
| 09:44.56 | Guerin | blazemonger: apt-spy --help |
| 09:44.58 | blazemonger | MajorPayne: i just need something stable for audio work |
| 09:45.03 | lnast | blazemonger: could try installing it |
| 09:45.21 | splaine | lnast what is VPSs? virtual private server? |
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| 09:45.30 | Guerin | splaine: like xen or uml |
| 09:45.41 | Guerin | the best invention in hosting history |
| 09:45.49 | Rondie | xen is running nicely on etch these days |
| 09:45.54 | MajorPayne | 5:45 AM and I got work in the morning |
| 09:45.57 | MajorPayne | lol, goodnight all |
| 09:45.59 | blazemonger | apt-spy -d testing -a USA |
| 09:46.02 | blazemonger | could not find Area usa |
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| 09:46.03 | Rondie | g'night major |
| 09:46.03 | Guerin | MajorPayne: get a coffee and stay up |
| 09:46.04 | lnast | indeed. VPSs are great, especially for the poor |
| 09:46.11 | Guerin | blazemonger: read the fucking instructions |
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| 09:46.23 | splaine | agreed - did you see the slashdot article comparing the kernel kvm and xen and the other |
| 09:46.23 | Guerin | blazemonger: don't just randomly make shit up |
| 09:46.30 | blazemonger | i did read the instructions |
| 09:46.45 | Guerin | blazemonger: read them again, because it doesn't say `usa' anywhere |
| 09:46.46 | MajorPayne | Guerin: Don't have to be to work till 10, good to get atleast 3 hours of sleep |
| 09:46.52 | Guerin | MajorPayne: ah, fair. |
| 09:47.17 | Guerin | splaine: conspiracy theory ho! |
| 09:47.43 | Guerin | ho as in `ahoy', not as in paris |
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| 09:51.25 | splaine | i'm sorta wondering why they didn't make the kvm kernl 2.7 or 2.8 |
| 09:51.44 | Guerin | mm |
| 09:51.48 | Guerin | that would make some sense |
| 09:51.55 | Guerin | maybe they're going for the record |
| 09:52.05 | Guerin | of how many numbers they can have after the major version |
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| 09:52.25 | blazemonger | i did apt-spy --help too |
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| 09:52.43 | Rondie | I think kernel versions that high up are made because of major design changes |
| 09:52.49 | blazemonger | i learn by examples...short attention span and not enough pot |
| 09:52.54 | Rondie | not a patch from some project, like kvm |
| 09:52.58 | splaine | in case you didn't see it http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/01/10/0131254 |
| 09:52.59 | jetscreamer | i guess you don't have man installed blazemonger |
| 09:53.08 | DevilChaos | hey is there a thinkpad chatroom on freenode? |
| 09:53.10 | RichiH | stoned: dunno why the big mac makes you hungry after such a short time. either they put it some nasty stuff or it just does not fill the tummy |
| 09:53.22 | scx | Hi there, how is it called the feature to mask your IP here in Freenode ? |
| 09:53.26 | blazemonger | i'm a newb jetscreamer |
| 09:54.06 | jetscreamer | hostmask, go to freenode.net or something and you can read about it |
| 09:54.12 | scx | yahh! (forgot it) |
| 09:54.13 | Guerin | scx: cloak |
| 09:54.26 | scx | xact! |
| 09:54.32 | scx | thanks Guerin |
| 09:54.48 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:55.07 | Guerin | i just used a poor defenseless windows XP home computer to download and burn an etch iso |
| 09:55.14 | jetscreamer | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml |
| 09:55.17 | Guerin | i guess that's the equivalent of making a POW dig his own grave |
| 09:55.54 | DevilChaos | Guerin: burn the windblows pc with flammable liquids |
| 09:55.54 | lnast | wow. my simulation is working. its been broken since last year...i accidently fixed it :o |
| 09:55.55 | Flash__ | hehe |
| 09:57.05 | comsa | how many cd s |
| 09:57.15 | blazemonger | i've never had enough LSD for unix |
| 09:57.46 | steelhoof | ehe |
| 09:58.06 | blazemonger | steelhoof: is there a linux distro made specificly for ppl with ADD/ADHD |
| 09:58.07 | steelhoof | I saw that button a while back... 3-4 years ago? |
| 09:58.09 | splaine | you have it wrong blaze - unix = chinese food and lots of cola |
| 09:58.30 | blazemonger | i thought unix=lsd and windows=crack |
| 09:58.36 | Guerin | no |
| 09:58.40 | Guerin | chinese food and tea |
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| 09:58.50 | blazemonger | Guerin: no it's coffee and cigarettes |
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| 09:58.55 | karmatronic | hate chinese food |
| 09:58.58 | blazemonger | food and tea are unhealthy for you |
| 09:59.00 | karmatronic | suhis are better |
| 09:59.08 | jetscreamer | probably never had any lsd |
| 09:59.09 | DevilChaos | bill gate eats ass for a living |
| 09:59.11 | blazemonger | karmatronic: i hate chinese food too. |
| 09:59.17 | steelhoof | woo! a party for EFF in San Francisco next week... http://www.eff.org/ |
| 09:59.20 | Guerin | infidel! |
| 09:59.27 | blazemonger | jetscreamer: i haven't..i'd love to have LSD though |
| 09:59.30 | karmatronic | blazemonger: used to to love it actually but after a while... |
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| 09:59.43 | Guerin | you can't possibly hate chinese food |
| 09:59.44 | blazemonger | karmatronic: i wish i could have some so i could figure out linux |
| 09:59.52 | Guerin | there's such a wide variety |
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| 10:00.03 | steelhoof | purple microdot |
| 10:00.09 | steelhoof | orange sunshine |
| 10:00.13 | karmatronic | blazemonger: it just so unsane food |
| 10:00.13 | steelhoof | windopane |
| 10:00.22 | jetscreamer | -_- |
| 10:00.29 | karmatronic | Guerin: really , try japanese! |
| 10:00.48 | Guerin | karmatronic: i've tried plenty. I lived in east asia for 3.5 years. |
| 10:00.59 | Guerin | japanese food, at its best, is sublime |
| 10:01.02 | karmatronic | Guerin: sorry for you |
| 10:01.10 | Guerin | but at the ordinary everyday level it's nasty processed crap |
| 10:01.13 | karmatronic | Guerin: did you like asia? |
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| 10:01.21 | blazemonger | karmatronic: i'd like to have some if you ever get some mail to me lol |
| 10:01.24 | Guerin | karmatronic: yes, I love asia. Keep wanting to go back. |
| 10:01.28 | blazemonger | i want debian to make lsd |
| 10:01.52 | jetscreamer | it can blazemonger |
| 10:02.00 | jetscreamer | jsut adapt the coffee howto |
| 10:02.01 | blazemonger | jetscreamer: REALLY!??!!??!?!? |
| 10:02.11 | blazemonger | i want a how-to for LSD |
| 10:02.21 | jetscreamer | then why are you here |
| 10:02.25 | jetscreamer | go forth |
| 10:02.35 | Supaplex | apt-get install drug-lab |
| 10:02.41 | Supaplex | HAH |
| 10:02.45 | agni | Does anybody has success in getting XGL working under etch? |
| 10:02.49 | comsa | :) |
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| 10:03.00 | jetscreamer | the molecule screensaver displays drugs |
| 10:03.55 | blazemonger | Supaplex: that must be in Debian-extra-extra-paranoid-unstable |
| 10:04.19 | Supaplex | *shrug* |
| 10:04.45 | Rondie | bye all, gotta get some work done ;) |
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| 10:05.34 | blazemonger | i'm still trying to figure out apt-spy |
| 10:05.43 | blazemonger | i read the manual it didnt give any examples |
| 10:06.49 | Guerin | !apt-spy |
| 10:06.49 | dpkg | [apt-spy] a secret! Shh!, or like 'mirror, mirror, on the wall... who is the fastest of them all?' :: apt-get install apt-spy; apt-spy update; apt-spy -d [stable,testing,unstable] -a [Africa,Asia,Europe,North-America,Oceania,South-America] :: when this finishes it will automatically write to your sources.list so if you have other mirrors there you'll have to "cp /etc/apt/sources.list /etc/apt/sources.list.mybak" and fix your sources.list |
| 10:07.45 | hark | gimmulf: you still here? |
| 10:07.53 | gimmulf | yes hark |
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| 10:08.19 | hark | gimmulf: yeah, sorry had some work come up ;) |
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| 10:09.54 | hark | gimmulf: that script shouldn't work |
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| 10:10.28 | blazemonger | ok |
| 10:10.48 | blazemonger | i'm running it Guerin |
| 10:11.03 | hark | cd is a builtin, to execute it you'll have to do it the way i showed earlier |
| 10:11.04 | blazemonger | Guerin: I'm trying to build a linux audio box |
| 10:11.12 | Guerin | blazemonger: good show. |
| 10:11.29 | fireba11 | hm .. still 92 etch rlease-critical bugs .. it's going down slowly |
| 10:11.30 | blazemonger | i tried it with Ubuntu but none of the apps would work |
| 10:11.40 | blazemonger | they would end up just crashing otu of nowhere |
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| 10:12.05 | blazemonger | and i was like..how can a half commercial distro get away with sub-quality software |
| 10:12.14 | Guerin | well |
| 10:12.19 | Guerin | it's not really commercial |
| 10:12.23 | hark | gimmulf: there is no /bin/cd as such |
| 10:12.42 | Guerin | and i bet that stuff was from multiverse, which is the `jesus, did that actually build' branch |
| 10:13.01 | Guerin | but there is a /bin/[ |
| 10:13.25 | gimmulf | hark: ahha ok |
| 10:14.09 | blazemonger | Guerin: well the multiverse stuff has all of the useful midi/audio stuff though |
| 10:14.34 | Guerin | blazemonger: this is why you use debian, where all that stuff is in `main' |
| 10:14.35 | hark | it actually dosen't make sense as such as after the command executes, your path will not change. |
| 10:14.45 | Guerin | fuc, etch rc1 d-i is failing to download some shit |
| 10:14.47 | blazemonger | i got a segmentation fault in apt-spy |
| 10:14.49 | Guerin | grrr. |
| 10:15.16 | blazemonger | im running it again |
| 10:15.33 | hark | gimmulf: i think it's also mentioned in the man sudo, iirc |
| 10:15.43 | fireba11 | blazemonger: humm ... you sure your hardware is okay? :_) |
| 10:15.45 | blazemonger | i've been spending too long compiling and getting errors from slackware so i tried debian ..it actualy installed on the first try this time |
| 10:15.48 | hark | s/the// |
| 10:15.50 | blazemonger | i'm positive fireba11 |
| 10:15.54 | blazemonger | my hardware is stable |
| 10:15.59 | blazemonger | nothing's overheating |
| 10:16.17 | unseensoul | i can't get my hp officejet k80 all-in-one working. i mean, it's a remote printer/scanner/etc and i can print through it but i can't use its scanner. how can i solve this? |
| 10:16.20 | blazemonger | why would apt-spy get a Segmentation Fault |
| 10:16.38 | fireba11 | blazemonger: was more thinking about memory errors because you had acouple wired problems mentioned |
| 10:17.10 | nevyn | unseensoul: remote? |
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| 10:17.26 | nevyn | unseensoul: as in connected to a remote system not running linux? |
| 10:17.28 | [o]izo | hy |
| 10:17.50 | unseensoul | nevyn, it's a windows printer |
| 10:18.03 | unseensoul | if you know what i mean.. |
| 10:18.11 | nevyn | no. |
| 10:18.15 | nevyn | please be clear |
| 10:18.50 | nevyn | you are attempting to scan a document in the k80 connected to your windows computer and have the doucment appear on your debian machine? |
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| 10:19.16 | unseensoul | correct |
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| 10:19.35 | nevyn | unseensoul: have you installed any sane software on the windows computer |
| 10:19.47 | unseensoul | no |
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| 10:20.10 | [o]izo | does any body try SAS with etch ? |
| 10:20.33 | scx | How can I "grep" the online staff members ? |
| 10:20.52 | nevyn | scx: define online? |
| 10:21.09 | scx | That I can chat with them |
| 10:21.20 | blazemonger | fireba11: mmm.. |
| 10:21.23 | blazemonger | ok |
| 10:21.28 | blazemonger | i dont have any memory probz |
| 10:21.38 | blazemonger | i got another segmentation fault with apt-spy |
| 10:21.38 | unseensoul | nevyn, i've installed sane software in debian only |
| 10:21.45 | Shadowdancer | problem: "perl: warning: Setting locale failed.". /usr/lib/locale is empty, even after several runs of "dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales". Google is not helping. Any ideas? |
| 10:21.48 | fireba11 | blazemonger: reinstall it |
| 10:22.02 | blazemonger | re-install apt-spy ? |
| 10:22.10 | fireba11 | yes |
| 10:22.23 | blazemonger | i did apt-get install apt-spy again it said apt-spy is the newest version |
| 10:22.45 | scx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:23.20 | fireba11 | blazemonger: apt-get remove --purge apt-spy; apt-get install apt-spy |
| 10:23.45 | nevyn | unseensoul: is the device supported |
| 10:23.50 | nevyn | under sane? |
| 10:24.19 | utrrrongeeb | I've been trying to use gcj to compile java source to binary, but the result is a file that bash says it can't execute. |
| 10:24.22 | nevyn | you may need to connect it to the linux box and use a windows twain-sane driver to access it on the windows machine.. |
| 10:24.26 | unseensoul | nevyn, i don't know. how can i know that? |
| 10:25.14 | fireba11 | unseensoul: find a tutorial about it |
| 10:25.21 | scx | :( there are no members now... |
| 10:25.40 | unseensoul | fireba11, don't you think i already tried before? |
| 10:25.44 | hark | utrrrongeeb: chmod it? |
| 10:25.54 | unseensoul | it |
| 10:26.04 | blazemonger | fireball same thing Segmentation fault |
| 10:26.19 | fireba11 | blazemonger: what debian version/platform you got ? |
| 10:26.26 | blazemonger | testing |
| 10:26.47 | blazemonger | debian version testing dated sun 10th 2007 |
| 10:27.00 | utrrrongeeb | It is rwxr--r--, and bash says it cannot execute binary file. |
| 10:27.17 | [o]izo | none for my SAS questions ? |
| 10:27.34 | nevyn | unseensoul: the printing bit works under linux |
| 10:27.36 | Shadowdancer | utrrrongeeb: what does "file filename" say? |
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| 10:27.59 | blazemonger | mm thinking about trying Ubunto again |
| 10:28.08 | comsa | noooooooooooooooooo |
| 10:28.27 | blazemonger | comsa: when something as simple as apt-spy doesn't work somethings wrong :( |
| 10:28.37 | unseensoul | nevyn, printing is working fine... |
| 10:28.39 | utrrrongeeb | Shadowdancer: I'm not in Debian at the moment, but is says something along the lines of "32-bit ELF binary, Intel 8086" |
| 10:28.49 | blazemonger | i wish i could find XP for a cheap spy |
| 10:28.53 | cableroy_ | Hi i got problems with a dell 2950 server and etch, i've been looking at this -> http://henrihovi.blogspot.com/2006/10/debian-on-dell-power-edge-1950.html and read the comment, no tricks needed? Can some one comfirm it? cause my 2950 wont boot |
| 10:28.53 | blazemonger | cheap price |
| 10:29.03 | DevilChaos | blazemonger:bollocks you just have no patients |
| 10:29.11 | blazemonger | DevilChaos: i do |
| 10:29.20 | DevilChaos | stick with debian |
| 10:29.37 | karmatronic | blazemonger: what s the problem |
| 10:29.38 | blazemonger | i know that linux is still not ready for the desktop |
| 10:29.40 | DevilChaos | if at first you dont succeed try try again |
| 10:29.46 | blazemonger | apt-spy gives me a Segmentation Fault |
| 10:29.47 | DevilChaos | rubbish |
| 10:29.56 | karmatronic | blazemonger: you re running etch ? |
| 10:30.01 | blazemonger | do i just keep reinstalling and keep reinstalling and waste time |
| 10:30.20 | blazemonger | reinstalling when I could use a mac or windows and be working on recording music? |
| 10:30.26 | DevilChaos | it is a fully loaded desktop enviroment with lots of cool stuff if you get into doing the things you want to do with it |
| 10:30.52 | karmatronic | DevilChaos: means it s not ready for the common non-informatician |
| 10:31.25 | karmatronic | DevilChaos: the matter is the common non-informatician only seems to be ready for a buggy os where nothing cant be installed |
| 10:31.38 | DevilChaos | dont run linux then if hes not willing to learn |
| 10:32.08 | karmatronic | DevilChaos: common non-informatician shouldnt really need to get into linux to use it |
| 10:32.34 | DevilChaos | i love linux took me a while but got there in the end |
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| 10:32.40 | blazemonger | DevilChaos: when i installed Ubuntu i spent 4 days trying to get MIDI to work |
| 10:32.55 | blazemonger | i was hoping things would be diff on debian orslack |
| 10:33.09 | Shadowdancer | blazemonger: timidity ;-) |
| 10:33.16 | DevilChaos | why not then if it was too easy to use people wouldnt talk in here noone would learn and linux communitys wouldnt be the same |
| 10:33.32 | utrrrongeeb | Shadowdancer, hark: I take it by your silence that this is not easily remotely answered? |
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| 10:33.49 | Shadowdancer | utrrrongeeb: I tend to avoid gcj |
| 10:34.09 | blazemonger | i did that Shadowdancer |
| 10:34.21 | utrrrongeeb | Shadowdancer: So you don't use Java, or you use something else? |
| 10:34.23 | Shadowdancer | anyway, why TF does Perl refuse to find locales?!? |
| 10:34.27 | blazemonger | java? |
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| 10:34.35 | Shadowdancer | I use Sun packets |
| 10:34.39 | blazemonger | why would i use java for hd recordin? |
| 10:35.28 | Shadowdancer | belocs-locales generates stuff in /usr/lib/locale, which according to strace Perl finds, but then it looks for nonexisting stuff again and fails. |
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| 10:35.58 | blazemonger | how can i expect a working multimedia desktop in debian when something as simple as apt-spy gives a Segmentation Fault |
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| 10:37.00 | blazemonger | Shadowdancer: Sun packets? |
| 10:37.03 | nevyn | unseensoul: basically from my research it should work. you need the hp print system and cups and sane to make it go properly but the way I read it there's no way to talk to a remote scanner attached to a windows system at this time |
| 10:37.12 | hark | utrrrongeeb: if you're the owner, dunno |
| 10:37.22 | blazemonger | apt-spy isn't working still..and i cant update debian |
| 10:37.26 | nevyn | having it attached to the linux system and accessing all the functions from windows should work tho |
| 10:37.36 | blazemonger | its like i have security updates waiting to be installed but i cant install them |
| 10:37.37 | nevyn | if some significant effort |
| 10:37.41 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, i'm looking for a good udev forum (I have to adapt an uncomplete udev rule) don't you know a good one ? |
| 10:37.48 | Shadowdancer | blazemonger: java.sun.com, and then java-package. Gives a working Java installation with java, javac and friends. |
| 10:37.56 | hark | utrrrongeeb: what's the full error you get? |
| 10:38.21 | unseensoul | nevyn, i can't connect it to my linux box. thank you very much for you help and patient ;) |
| 10:38.30 | blazemonger | but is there any multitrack software that actually WORKS with java? |
| 10:38.45 | blazemonger | uive tri9ed installing java in linux and i know how well it goes |
| 10:38.56 | utrrrongeeb | hark: I confess I'm in Windows at the moment, by my recollection of the error is "bash: Could not execute binary file." |
| 10:39.03 | unseensoul | s/you/your |
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| 10:39.19 | unseensoul | s/patient/patience |
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| 10:39.54 | hark | utrrrongeeb: but no permission denied, right? |
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| 10:40.28 | starz | how can i setup a secured ssh proxy ? |
| 10:40.37 | utrrrongeeb | hark: I had already chmod'd it. u+x |
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| 10:42.56 | Shadowdancer | could it be that both the locales package and perl are broken? |
| 10:43.20 | blazemonger | so is there a wo0rking version of apt-spy for testing or do i downgrade to stable? |
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| 10:44.20 | Shadowdancer | or you could just forget about apt-spy ;-) |
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| 10:45.36 | starz | hm |
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| 10:45.52 | starz | yeah i would like to setup a secure ssh tunnel actually |
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| 10:47.15 | starz | and i need a browser for windows that doesnt require installation.. that i could just run |
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| 10:52.44 | christopher_l | Hello all, my new keyboard won't work, here's some information: http://pastie.caboo.se/32556. Someone? |
| 10:52.58 | sphenxes | where can I download etch (test) version? |
| 10:53.13 | sphenxes | !etch |
| 10:53.13 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
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| 10:54.16 | blazemonger | anyone know how to get apt-spy working when it's giving a segmentation fault? |
| 10:54.35 | blazemonger | is it time to gtry windows? |
| 10:54.49 | Hotwire | lol |
| 10:55.17 | blazemonger | maybe if i could find a windows for cheap cost i'd buy it |
| 10:55.31 | Ronin | ya that will get us to help you blazemonger |
| 10:55.50 | DevilChaos | get it for free thats the best way if ur gonna use it |
| 10:56.29 | Ronin | or figure out why apt-spy is crashing and fix it |
| 10:58.09 | DevilChaos | ah maybes he hasnt his network setup properly do you have correct netmask, dns,gateway and ip number in correctly? |
| 10:58.57 | DevilChaos | blazemonger:are you using your machine to talk to us or what? |
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| 10:59.22 | blazemonger | i am |
| 10:59.26 | blazemonger | using my machine |
| 10:59.45 | DevilChaos | as i had trouble connecting to mirrors because i didnt have things setup right once |
| 11:00.06 | DevilChaos | it was worth a shot |
| 11:00.18 | blazemonger | is there a version of apt-spy that works? |
| 11:00.30 | blazemonger | or do i need to downgrade to stable? |
| 11:00.37 | hark | blazemonger: choose another mirror manually for now. |
| 11:00.55 | DevilChaos | what speed are you getting for downloads from the mirror? |
| 11:01.01 | Ronin | blazemonger: ah ha, what debian are you running? |
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| 11:01.28 | DevilChaos | ronin:hes on testing |
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| 11:01.38 | Ronin | must have missed that, too damn early here |
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| 11:02.07 | hark | or netselect |
| 11:02.17 | hark | !mirrors |
| 11:02.18 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
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| 11:02.27 | blazemonger | hark: i cant find another mirror |
| 11:02.32 | blazemonger | im running testing |
| 11:02.47 | hark | huh? |
| 11:02.50 | blazemonger | im downloading the whole 15 cd set |
| 11:02.57 | blazemonger | so i can have a stable setup |
| 11:03.35 | SlayerXP | blazemonger: why on earth would you want to do that? |
| 11:03.36 | DevilChaos | no no no no |
| 11:03.36 | DevilChaos | use netinstall cd or buisness card iso |
| 11:03.54 | DevilChaos | to get the most up to date software and utils |
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| 11:04.52 | hark | you can try netselect-apt instead |
| 11:05.19 | DevilChaos | anyone here use tor? |
| 11:05.21 | karmatronic | blazemonger: apt-spy -d testing |
| 11:05.38 | blazemonger | trying that karmatronic |
| 11:05.55 | karmatronic | blazemonger: right i also got a violacion fault |
| 11:05.58 | blazemonger | tried that |
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| 11:06.20 | blazemonger | karmatronic: see what im saying? how can i take any multimedia in linux seriously when apt-spy has a Seg Fault |
| 11:06.39 | lokuciej | Hi, is there a simple way to figure out if my NIC is 10/100 MBit or even Gigabit? |
| 11:06.53 | karmatronic | blazemonger: http://vsingleton.blogspot.com/2006/12/apt-spy-segmentation-fault-sigh.html |
| 11:06.54 | hark | DevilChaos: do you want the anyone factoid? ;) |
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| 11:07.02 | blazemonger | Slayer:Do you know where I can find a copy of Windows XP Pro SP2 for cheap or free? |
| 11:07.03 | karmatronic | blazemonger: here s your answer |
| 11:07.32 | DevilChaos | !anyone |
| 11:07.32 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 11:07.41 | blazemonger | i'm skeptical that linux even has working audio software i want soe proof |
| 11:07.50 | blazemonger | but the key is *WORKING* :) |
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| 11:09.56 | DevilChaos | ok is tor any good to use? |
| 11:10.59 | l3on_ | why ntfs-3g jump cpu to 100% when i try to transfer files (about 700MB) ? |
| 11:11.05 | hark | not for general use |
| 11:11.21 | hark | l3on_: try #ntfs |
| 11:11.30 | l3on_ | #ntfs |
| 11:11.35 | l3on_ | ?? ^^ |
| 11:11.48 | Eulex | /join #ntfs |
| 11:11.49 | DevilChaos | so what can i use to cloak my footprints while browsing the net? |
| 11:11.50 | l3on_ | i don't understand |
| 11:11.52 | l3on_ | ah ok |
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| 11:12.58 | DevilChaos | just an anonamizin proxy? |
| 11:12.58 | Thmss | Is the paypal ID the mail adress I use for paypal ? |
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| 11:13.10 | DevilChaos | yup |
| 11:13.46 | hark | l3on_: haven't experienced it myself. |
| 11:14.17 | muh2000 | wie kann ich bei grub eine eintrag hinzufügen bei dem von cd gebootet wird...? |
| 11:14.27 | l3on_ | hark thank you.,... |
| 11:14.40 | fireba11 | !tell muh2000 about de |
| 11:14.41 | lokuciej | Hi, is there a simple way to figure out if my NIC is 10/100 MBit or even Gigabit? |
| 11:14.51 | hark | DevilChaos: can't hurt to try. there is a significant bandwidth cost however |
| 11:15.03 | DevilChaos | nuh2000:english? |
| 11:15.09 | muh2000 | crap that was the wrong chanal sry ^^ |
| 11:15.18 | Fredle | I need to install debian into xen on suse, does the standard images come with a xenkernel or do I need to use the perinstalled debianimage of jailtime? |
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| 11:15.31 | muh2000 | menu entry for grub to be able to boot from CD/dvd |
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| 11:15.35 | hark | lokuciej: lspci? |
| 11:15.40 | vaq | Fredle: debootstrap. |
| 11:15.55 | DevilChaos | hark:what the tor package or just a proxy? |
| 11:16.30 | hark | DevilChaos: aptitude install tor (should get privoxy as well) |
| 11:17.19 | Miten | any one able to help regarding partitions....I need to reorganize them... |
| 11:17.22 | hark | DevilChaos: just start the tor and privoxy service and you should be good to go. |
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| 11:17.34 | DevilChaos | ok ill check it out thanks dude:) |
| 11:18.15 | hark | DevilChaos: of course you need to manually set the proxy either on per app basis or globally |
| 11:18.19 | Fredle | vaq, I will be able to install bootstrap onto this suse instalation or do I need to make it on a debian or ubuntu computer? (I don't like suse, but it's for work) |
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| 11:19.55 | DevilChaos | ill see what happens when i confiure it im off to play now ttfn |
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| 11:20.03 | Miten | I have /dev/hda7 as /tmp and I would like to use that partitions for XP....merge it to /dev/hda1 which is where XP OS is |
| 11:20.19 | Fredle | hmm.. I'll try using alien, thx for the tip vaq |
| 11:21.06 | starz | yey |
| 11:21.14 | starz | nothing like hacking out of my office network :P |
| 11:21.29 | MatBoy | I have every time problem with vmware running on a 2.6.18-3 kernel. My XFCE is lagging on it and whgen I quit vmware it still uses more CPU than needed |
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| 11:21.46 | MatBoy | xorg is using a lot CPU |
| 11:22.11 | Miten | enouf: you there ? |
| 11:22.54 | blazemonger | back |
| 11:23.01 | blazemonger | i STILL cant get apt-spy working |
| 11:24.20 | blazemonger | itz like i cant find a linux distro that wwill work |
| 11:25.17 | Fredle | blazemonger, linux=linux |
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| 11:27.11 | Annexx | has anyone installed apache2.2 on sarge via apt ? |
| 11:28.10 | SlayerXP | Annexx: no, no-one has ever done that. |
| 11:28.24 | karmatronic | blazemonger: but what do you need exactely |
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| 11:29.05 | Miten | any one able to help regarding partitions....I need to reorganize them... |
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| 11:37.31 | tuxta | I tried to install nvidia-glx from experimental using apt-get install -t experimental nvidia-glx but bombed out on deps - any ideas on how to install this ? |
| 11:37.58 | tuxta | Or if my command is the correct one? (never tried experimental before) |
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| 11:44.51 | Trewas | blazemonger: apt-spy is orphaned (it has no maintainer) and it has several bugs filed about segfaulting, so it is easiest just not to use it currently |
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| 11:48.38 | jfletcher | for some reason, when i try running "ftp localhost" it gives the following message & input messge: |
| 11:48.39 | jfletcher | Connected to localhost. |
| 11:48.39 | jfletcher | 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
| 11:48.39 | jfletcher | ftp> |
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| 11:50.13 | mac7 | /jion #yacy |
| 11:50.24 | mac7 | :-) |
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| 11:51.10 | jfletcher | http://nopaste.php-q.net/268020 |
| 11:51.19 | jfletcher | does anybody know why I get this error when I run ftp localhost? |
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| 11:52.39 | jfletcher | I'm using vsftpd |
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| 11:53.56 | karmatronic | jfletcher: yes , figured that out |
| 11:54.02 | blazemonger | is linux for socialists? |
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| 11:54.26 | fireba11 | jfletcher: the url not loading here |
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| 11:55.14 | jfletcher | fireba11: basicly I get the error 500 OOPS: could not bind listening IPv4 socket |
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| 11:55.31 | fireba11 | jfletcher: socket in use ? :-) |
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| 11:57.49 | karmatronic | jfletcher: kill xinetd and try again |
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| 11:59.20 | jfletcher | karmatronic: same error |
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| 12:00.22 | BarryAllen | hi all, is there a way to connect using sarge to my adsl using a 3com duallink? in the default package of rp-pppoe, i can pass extra parameters (-f) but i dont know how can i do it, editing peers/dsl-provider, i dont found any parameter like that |
| 12:01.39 | BarryAllen | (3com dual link need some special parameters to work with linux, i have it working on a fedora, and im nothing found where to add it using pppoeconf utility) |
| 12:02.23 | nayyares | my cache ip is 212.96.24.118 and my local network is 192.168.1.0 what command i should give on cache, so that my clients can connect to bittorent on port 38180. |
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| 12:07.28 | norc | invoke-rc.d: unknown initscript, /etc/init.d/mysql not found. |
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| 12:07.30 | norc | ^- any ideas how to solve this? |
| 12:07.33 | norc | ;) |
| 12:07.39 | norc | or can anyone give me his/her mysql init script? |
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| 12:09.46 | deepz | hi guys |
| 12:09.56 | deepz | i wnat to configure path variable |
| 12:10.07 | deepz | i have configured it in /etc/profile |
| 12:10.13 | nkuttler_ | norc: dpkg or apt-get (don't remember) with --force-confmiss |
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| 12:10.33 | deepz | when i login that pc thru ssh and give echo command for path variable i get the configured path |
| 12:10.45 | norc | mhm |
| 12:10.53 | deepz | howver when i login locally path is not seen in path variable |
| 12:11.16 | norc | nkuttler_: its dpkg, thanks |
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| 12:13.44 | eifzon | !nvidia |
| 12:13.44 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 12:13.51 | karmatronic | deepz: are you using bash ? |
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| 12:15.19 | k0p | hi all |
| 12:15.25 | norc | nkuttler_: dpkg --force-confmiss -i /var/cache/apt/archives/mysql-common_5.0.30-3_all.deb < tried that |
| 12:15.37 | norc | or is mysql stored somewhere else? |
| 12:16.15 | deepz | karmatronic: yes |
| 12:16.22 | deepz | karmatonic: etch |
| 12:17.11 | norc | oh its mysql-server-5.0 ;) |
| 12:17.23 | norc | invoke-rc.d: initscript mysql, action "start" failed. |
| 12:17.26 | norc | that doesnt look so good at all |
| 12:17.27 | norc | :/ |
| 12:17.29 | nkuttler_ | norc: tab completion is your friend |
| 12:17.37 | nkuttler_ | norc: why does it fail? look in the logs |
| 12:18.36 | k0p | people I can't install python object.. Well What is a pakage that contains gobject module for python? |
| 12:20.03 | norc | Jan 11 13:16:59 asterix mysqld[29205]: 070111 13:16:59 [ERROR] Fatal error: Can't open and lock privilege tables: Incorrect file format 'host' |
| 12:20.06 | norc | mhm |
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| 12:22.40 | ofer0 | 12:21:23 up 183 days, 13:44, 24 users, load average: 6.03, 6.13, 6.68 |
| 12:22.56 | norc | no ideas on that problem? |
| 12:22.59 | norc | nkuttler? |
| 12:23.13 | norc | open("/var/lib/mysql/mysql/host.MYI", O_RDWR|O_LARGEFILE) = 15 |
| 12:23.17 | norc | the problem is this file somehow |
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| 12:27.40 | nkuttler | norc: #mysql. if you can, just purge the package and reinstall. oh, and run stable if you want to avoid problems. |
| 12:27.54 | norc | nkuttler: im already asking there |
| 12:28.03 | norc | and I dont want to avoid problems, I want to solve them ;) |
| 12:29.39 | karmatronic | deepz: you re still there ? |
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| 12:30.57 | norc | nkuttler: besides removing and re-installing didnt help |
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| 12:35.51 | nkuttler | norc: did you purge it? |
| 12:36.12 | Ronin | blazemonger: heh is linux for socialiasts :) |
| 12:36.34 | norc | nkuttler: what do you mean with purge |
| 12:36.38 | nkuttler | norc: maybe the file is kept when you purge the package... not sure. there's a debconf option to keep databases. |
| 12:36.57 | nkuttler | norc: man apt-get ;) |
| 12:37.29 | norc | yeah |
| 12:37.33 | norc | looking already at it |
| 12:39.15 | norc | looks good, works for me nkuttler |
| 12:39.15 | norc | thanks |
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| 12:44.05 | n0rus | Help with PXE-installation with use of a preseed config wanted. I can't automate the partitioning. System: Sarge. The following did not work "d-i partman-auto/disk string /dev/discs/disc0/disc". Who can help? |
| 12:45.06 | Shadowdancer | use FAI ;-) |
| 12:45.29 | n0rus | Because that's the answer to my question? |
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| 12:46.57 | Annexx | Is this right , If i use unstable in my apt source.lst ,and try and install something on sarge , it wants to remove my kernel-image-2.4.27 |
| 12:46.59 | Annexx | why ? |
| 12:47.49 | HymnToLife | certainly beca&use it conflicts with it |
| 12:48.39 | SlayerXP | Annexx: mixing debian trees is a really bad idea. |
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| 12:51.24 | Miten | I have free space in extended partition and would like to merge it to primary partition which is fat16....how to do ? |
| 12:52.00 | itchi | Hi, i want to replace the word 'foo' with 'bar' in the file 'baz', which is an appropriated tool for this task? |
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| 12:52.27 | SlayerXP | itchi: an editor |
| 12:52.36 | cydork | itchi: sed :) |
| 12:52.47 | itchi | SlayerXP: I need to make an automated task |
| 12:53.09 | itchi | cydork: Thanks, that's what i thought, i guess i need to escape some chars |
| 12:53.10 | SlayerXP | itchi: then write a small script, perhaps in shell or perl |
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| 12:53.22 | itchi | I want not to use Python this time :-p |
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| 12:54.14 | Shadowdancer | itchi: sed -i 's/foo/bar/g' file |
| 12:54.20 | Shadowdancer | (only works with GNU sed) |
| 12:54.21 | itchi | What i need to change is $name = $_POST["fname"]; to $name = $_POST["fooname"]; i suck with these geek escape chars and the word "fname" should change time to time |
| 12:54.35 | itchi | What i have is sed s/'$name = $_POST[*];'/'$name = $_POST["fooname"];'/ testfile.php |
| 12:55.05 | itchi | Just a little spy tool, got be spammed and need to be check if that new implemented capcha do it been right too |
| 12:55.39 | Shadowdancer | you need to escape the [] brackets I think |
| 12:55.51 | Shadowdancer | but I'm not all that good with sed escapes either :-) |
| 12:55.58 | itchi | I want to be sure that he not have got or checked the source for these fields name, so i want a day or 2 automate the stuff and automagically change the fieldnames in 2 files |
| 12:56.21 | itchi | I'm looking on the sed gnu site, maybe i miss the howto somewhere others?? |
| 12:56.31 | Shadowdancer | uhm... that isn't good. |
| 12:56.52 | Shadowdancer | couldn't yu just create the field names dynamically instead of farking up the script with sed? |
| 12:56.56 | itchi | The doc is not yet complete enought on the site, to brief |
| 12:57.24 | itchi | Shadowdancer: Yup, it's just an temp script, to figure out what the bastard are doing |
| 12:57.40 | Shadowdancer | heh :-) |
| 12:57.46 | itchi | At least, i want to be sure that the capcha do it right at this stage |
| 12:57.47 | Shadowdancer | sorry, gotta go, have a meeting. |
| 12:57.59 | itchi | Shadowdancer: ;-) Have a nice day |
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| 12:59.26 | itchi | Okay, somethings like this it's looks sed s/'$name = $_POST\["fname"\];'/'$name = $_POST\["fooname"\];'/ testfile.php |
| 13:00.19 | itchi | Just now need to know how i can match any 'fname', like this gona be changed |
| 13:01.22 | karmatronic | Annexx: well it shouldnt ! |
| 13:01.28 | cydork | itchi: actully somthing like this sed 's/\$name = \$_POST\["fname"\]/\$name = $_POST\["fooname"\]/' |
| 13:01.31 | itchi | ow, there's an #sed :-p |
| 13:01.49 | cydork | itchi: yep they can help you better :) |
| 13:02.12 | itchi | cydork: hhhm, yeah, now need to find how to do fname = * |
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| 13:02.35 | itchi | cydork: There are some links in the topic :-) Gona read a bit ;-) |
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| 13:03.38 | cydork | itchi: hmm it should be like 's/\$name = \$_POST\["\(.*\)"\]/\$name = $_POST\["fooname"\]/' |
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| 13:03.47 | cydork | itchi: but #sed knows the best :P |
| 13:04.38 | cydork | brb |
| 13:04.56 | itchi | !beer cydork |
| 13:05.10 | cydork | itchi: heh :) |
| 13:05.11 | itchi | cydork: Thanks mate, it does the trick nice. Good! :-) |
| 13:05.26 | itchi | It's just a temp bastard tool :-/ |
| 13:06.04 | cydork | itchi: gotta go catcha ya later :) |
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| 13:07.37 | RichiH | to install rpm files on debian, one still uses alien these days, correct? |
| 13:07.58 | whatspy | hi, here's a quickie: text file contains URLS: downloads to perform. command 'wget' could download them. how to >> the URL to wget? (the piping syntax) |
| 13:08.40 | RichiH | whatspy: man xargs |
| 13:08.48 | RichiH | it's what you want, in this case |
| 13:08.54 | itchi | RichiH: Yes |
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| 13:09.22 | Flash__ | wget will also take urls from a textfile itself. --help and read |
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| 13:09.33 | itchi | RichiH: Maybe better to extract the stuff an build it your own?? Or check the deb stuff once made?? Just to be sure |
| 13:10.11 | Miten | I have free space in extended partition and would like to merge it to primary partition which is fat16....how to do ? |
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| 13:11.21 | tzanger | good morning |
| 13:11.25 | itchi | whatspy: Hold on |
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| 13:12.00 | tzanger | old slackware user here, trying to deboostrap sarge for a friend... debootstrap sarge /mnt/hd thinks ofr a while then says it can't do it "E: Failed getting release file http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/Release" -- can anyone assist? |
| 13:12.08 | whatspy | great, great! wget -i text_file_full_of_urls |
| 13:12.12 | enouf | Miten: you really don't want to attempt that .. |
| 13:12.16 | whatspy | straightforward and simple |
| 13:12.25 | whatspy | thx |
| 13:13.00 | itchi | whatspy: Yup, or somethings like that i was going to tell http://pastebin.ca/313015 |
| 13:13.34 | itchi | whatspy: Depending of your needs and if you only need to do wget, maybe need to remove the url of your file?? |
| 13:13.48 | Miten | enouf: I need expand my XP partition....from 2 to 4GB....so I already deleted linux partition for /tmp mapped to /dev/hda7 |
| 13:13.48 | tzanger | nevermind guys... had a bad nameserver |
| 13:14.10 | itchi | whatspy: So that you later only need to do echo "my_new_ulr" >> /path/my_file |
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| 13:14.17 | RichiH | itchi: it all goes to /opt, so.. |
| 13:14.30 | itchi | RichiH: Yup, not yet nice |
| 13:14.55 | itchi | RichiH: But, easier to remove the crap manually later |
| 13:15.12 | itchi | enouf: Hello man ;-) |
| 13:15.20 | RichiH | itchi: well, /opt is not where i would put it, but i highly prefer to use dpkg where possible |
| 13:15.33 | RichiH | and to change stuff to /usr/local/ by hand... nah ;) |
| 13:15.35 | itchi | RichiH: Sure, you need to rebuild the stuff then |
| 13:16.11 | Miten | enouf: I am unable to install SP1 on XP due to shortage of space....so I am attempting things |
| 13:16.32 | itchi | RichiH: It's been the deb stuff that goes to /opt, once converted with alien? |
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| 13:17.11 | whatspy | itchi: thank you for the idea |
| 13:17.17 | itchi | whatspy: ;-) |
| 13:17.17 | dephekt | I'm using the gseen.mod module with eggdrop 2.6, is it possible to edit the .so file to change the syntax it uses for it's commands. eg: replace the ! with a . |
| 13:17.42 | itchi | whatspy: Just put some rules bellow the 'wget "$line"' |
| 13:17.59 | enouf | Miten: pastebin the output of fdisk -l /dev/hda |
| 13:18.08 | enouf | itchi: yo yo ma :-) |
| 13:18.31 | deepz | karmatonic:yes |
| 13:18.45 | itchi | enouf: Need some via*, cas*, pr* ? Got be spammed on my GUICMS gggrrr :-S |
| 13:19.14 | enouf | itchi: argh!! .. the bastage .. heh |
| 13:19.45 | itchi | enouf: Yeah, the bieps of ba* :-p |
| 13:19.52 | Miten | enouf: lets talk in separate channel....I cannot get any data out of my notebook since its not having fdd and it does not had cdrw... |
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| 13:20.12 | Miten | I can tell you typing things here.. |
| 13:20.34 | Miten | my notebook in not internet connected either |
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| 13:20.59 | dephekt | I'm using the gseen.mod module with eggdrop 2.6, is it possible to edit the .so file to change the syntax it uses for it's commands. eg: replace the !seen with .seen |
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| 13:22.40 | enouf | Miten: what you are attempting is a bad idea .. but whatever .. /join #flude , and note if connected to www, you can use the curl command to upload (as well as gpm, and w3m) |
| 13:22.57 | enouf | !tell Miten about pastebin |
| 13:23.14 | enouf | !tell Miten about pastewithoutx |
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| 13:24.42 | cableroy_ | i'm trying to install etch on a dell 2950, but i can't get it to work, even tried to tricks on the web, any suggestions? |
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| 13:25.21 | dephekt | cableroy, what error are you getting |
| 13:25.43 | itchi | cableroy_: Which trick? |
| 13:25.47 | cableroy_ | dephekt its the problem with sas driver, http://help.lockergnome.com/linux/Installing-Debian-Dell-2950-ftopict284011.html |
| 13:25.54 | cableroy_ | http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2006-September/027520.html |
| 13:26.08 | dephekt | k, one second |
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| 13:26.21 | ilyak | Hi everyone! |
| 13:26.29 | cableroy_ | i'm useing etch, i've got 2 servers now, and waiting for 3 more, need to fix this heh |
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| 13:30.39 | dephekt | cableroy_ when does your computer go wrong during the boot sequence |
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| 13:31.42 | cableroy_ | hold on i'll publish the picture |
| 13:32.08 | dephekt | k |
| 13:34.24 | dephekt | if you get this far, look through the text for anything thats "fails" or doesn't successfully complete. it may be a compatibility issue with the computer your installing it on or a faulty install disc |
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| 13:37.14 | oxygen | hi |
| 13:37.31 | cableroy_ | well it stops while toing usb/scsi things, sd 2:0:0:0: Attached scsi removable disk sdb |
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| 13:37.48 | cableroy_ | well sdb aint more removable than hotswap heh |
| 13:38.16 | dephekt | try unplugging anything scisi or usb you don't need |
| 13:38.23 | dephekt | then try boot it again |
| 13:38.33 | oxygen | help me pls .. |
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| 13:38.53 | cableroy_ | have no usb other than mouse/keyboard and screen, i have a Dell KVM switch |
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| 13:39.20 | FaithX | How can I get a 2.6.20 kernel in debian? |
| 13:39.29 | MatBoy | FaithX, install it ? |
| 13:39.32 | oxygen | i use qmail .. so how do I allow *only* oxy@example.com to e-mail test@example.com? |
| 13:39.42 | streuner_ | !kernel |
| 13:39.54 | bee | hi, Im trying to access my corrupted root filesystem wich is raid0 xfs |
| 13:39.58 | streuner_ | FaithX: by waiting till 2.6.20 is out? |
| 13:40.00 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.19.2, prepatch: 2.6.20-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.20-rc4-git4, 2.4: 2.4.34, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.20-rc3-mm1 |
| 13:40.01 | FaithX | MatBoy: well yes... but from where? |
| 13:40.02 | cahoot | FaithX: AFAIK debian doesn't even offer a 2.6.19 kernelö yet |
| 13:40.02 | dephekt | cableroy_, your moniter is a screen? |
| 13:40.15 | Flimzy | A USB flash drive that's plugged in does not draw any power except when it's being accessed, correct? |
| 13:40.19 | MatBoy | FaithX, just down load it and searhc on google for the Debian Kernel Compile howto |
| 13:40.22 | bee | is there some boot options which allows to enter busybox ? |
| 13:40.23 | cableroy_ | dephekt sorry screen/monitor... |
| 13:40.26 | dephekt | cahoot. my debian uses 2.6.19.1 |
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| 13:41.16 | dephekt | flimzy, the usb drive is detcted by the computer 24/7 and is recognized as a removeable drive. so any time your pc is on the computer is detecting it in the universal bus |
| 13:41.25 | itchi | MatBoy: You are slow :-p |
| 13:41.30 | Flimzy | dephekt: Yes, but that's not the question. |
| 13:41.34 | Flimzy | dephekt: Is it _drawing power_? |
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| 13:41.48 | MatBoy | itchi, opzutug en ga met Crashy spelen :P |
| 13:41.51 | MatBoy | h |
| 13:41.59 | itchi | MatBoy: :-p |
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| 13:42.07 | cahoot | dephekt: a 2.6.19 debian kernel? |
| 13:42.08 | whatspy | is there some debian package that contains a major bunch of include files useful for compiling source code? |
| 13:42.25 | dephekt | yes |
| 13:42.28 | dephekt | 2.6.19.1 |
| 13:42.45 | Flimzy | whatspy: yes. they're named *-dev |
| 13:42.46 | MatBoy | dephekt, linux-image ? |
| 13:42.47 | delire | MatBoy: the more packages you have on your machine, the slower dpkg will be as it reads the database of installed apps. |
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| 13:43.05 | MatBoy | delire, I ment the BOT here |
| 13:43.06 | dephekt | kernel-image, i had to compile it manually |
| 13:43.07 | delire | s/slower dpkg will be/longer dpkg will take |
| 13:43.07 | MatBoy | ik heb een boot |
| 13:43.12 | delire | MatBoy: hehe ok ;) |
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| 13:43.38 | else- | is there a netinst image for testing? |
| 13:43.45 | itchi | MatBoy: Most people here do not understand Dutch here ;-) |
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| 13:43.48 | cahoot | dephekt:so definitely a 2.6.19 debian kernel |
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| 13:43.55 | dephekt | yes, deffinitly |
| 13:43.58 | Ronin | !n-i |
| 13:43.59 | dephekt | 2.6.19.1 |
| 13:44.00 | cahoot | dephekt:so definitely *not* a 2.6.19 debian kernel |
| 13:44.10 | MatBoy | itchi, that was the purpose of that message ;0 |
| 13:44.29 | war | 2.6.19.2 out this morning |
| 13:45.05 | cableroy_ | dephekt bah my phone wont send as mail, and i'm finished at work.. heh try to solve the problem to morrow |
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| 13:45.08 | itchi | MatBoy: haha ;-) |
| 13:45.39 | dephekt | im not going to update to .2, not really neccesary |
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| 13:50.23 | cstextiles | I need to download Sun Java Package for my I386 machine So which file need to be downloaded out of the file listed at http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/non-free/s/sun-java5/ |
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| 13:51.30 | Flimzy | Almost without fail, when I do a apt-get update, the update freezes at "99% [9 Packages bzip2 0]". I have to Ctrl-C and restart it (often half a dozen times) before the update completes. This happens on my i386, ppc, and amd64 boxes, so I don't think it's a problem on my specific system... what the heck is going on? |
| 13:51.59 | dephekt | try apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 13:53.00 | itchi | Flimzy: Maybe try to clean the cache apt-get clean; or try another mirror without troubles?? |
| 13:53.02 | cahoot | Flimzy: try another mirror? |
| 13:53.16 | Flimzy | dephekt: That's the idea. But as I'm sure you know, apt-get update is required *before* a dist-upgrade. |
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| 13:53.24 | Flimzy | cahoot: that might be a good idea. |
| 13:53.25 | Trewas | Flimzy: I have noticed apt-get doing the same, but I assumed there is some problem with the mirror |
| 13:53.42 | Flimzy | itchi: It happens on fresh installs as much as my veteran machines, so I don't think it's the cache. |
| 13:53.46 | Flimzy | I'll try some other mirrors and see what happens |
| 13:53.55 | itchi | Flimzy: mirror then |
| 13:54.04 | Flimzy | I'm not sure which mirror(s) I have been using, but I'll pay closer attention. |
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| 13:54.36 | dephekt | nano etc/apt/sources.list |
| 13:54.48 | itchi | Flimzy: MAybe try these one?? deb ftp://ftp.skynet.be/debian/ testing main contrib non-free works well here |
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| 13:54.56 | dephekt | and copy these lines in |
| 13:54.56 | itchi | Flimzy: ... just for test |
| 13:54.57 | dephekt | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 13:54.57 | dephekt | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free |
| 13:54.57 | dephekt | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 13:54.57 | dephekt | deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib non-free |
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| 13:55.09 | cahoot | perfect timing |
| 13:55.11 | enouf | Flimzy: also may want to look into apt-spy |
| 13:56.04 | itchi | dephekt: Nice he :-p |
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| 13:56.11 | dephekt | :) |
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| 13:56.31 | TimeX | I cannot let the bashrc take effect under zhcon |
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| 13:56.53 | Flimzy | enouf: okay, I'll look for that. thanks |
| 13:57.06 | enouf | !tell Flimzy about apt-spy |
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| 13:58.35 | enouf | why is the ending of that factoid broken? |
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| 13:58.47 | blondie | maybe it's too long |
| 13:58.53 | enouf | firces.list .. heh |
| 13:59.06 | enouf | blackelf: indeed |
| 13:59.07 | enouf | bah |
| 13:59.09 | enouf | blondie: |
| 13:59.17 | blondie | eh? doens't say that |
| 13:59.22 | blondie | looks ok to me |
| 13:59.34 | enouf | lemme try agin .. must've been a glitch in the matrix |
| 13:59.51 | enouf | !msg dpkg apt-spy |
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| 14:00.37 | enouf | yeah blondie .. it's short enough to not bork when I ask dpkg in a /msg |
| 14:00.52 | whatspy | hm, where is dpkg-buildpackage ? |
| 14:01.00 | enouf | in dpkg? |
| 14:01.09 | whatspy | that's what I had hoped first |
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| 14:02.21 | enouf | apt-get insta;ll dpkg-dev |
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| 14:02.32 | enouf | whatspy: it's in dpkg-dev |
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| 14:03.53 | whatspy | thx a lot. I'm not familiar with many packages yet... |
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| 14:05.57 | displaced | does anyone have a current sources list that works? mine goes to about get: 30 and just stands there |
| 14:06.13 | displaced | trying to do an apt-get update |
| 14:06.33 | displaced | this is for unstable |
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| 14:07.07 | vaq | Did anybody in here play with OpenSSI? My problem is that my server can't see my SATA drivers and NIC drivers because Debian 3.1 Sarge doesnt have my chipset but OpenSSI can't install on Debian 4.0 |
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| 14:07.56 | Knight_Lord | Is it possible to have more than 8 colors in text mode emacs? |
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| 14:13.28 | pluesch0r | evening. i'm trying to get squid to work with both squidguard and adzapper - is there even the possibility to configure two redirect_programs in squid.conf? |
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| 14:17.49 | Fredle | is there any way how I can build or get a kernel for my vrtual debian in xen under suse? I've got sarge into the image with debootstrap. anyone? |
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| 14:18.36 | intruder | yo |
| 14:18.42 | Fredle | I must have this done tonight :-s |
| 14:19.09 | quitte | Fredle: do you have access to the dom0? |
| 14:19.19 | Fredle | yes |
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| 14:20.12 | quitte | Fredle: so what is the problem? just tell suse what kernel to use. or use pygrub instead of a kernel so that you can change the kernel from within domU |
| 14:20.34 | jazbo2185 | Is this a good place to ask a Wine question or is there a better channel? |
| 14:20.50 | quitte | #wine,maybe? |
| 14:20.58 | jazbo2185 | quitte: didn't see anyone there... |
| 14:21.14 | quitte | jazbo2185: you can always try asking |
| 14:21.18 | hark | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:21.19 | Fredle | quitte, so you mean that I don't have to install a kernel into the image? |
| 14:22.03 | quitte | Fredle: if you dont needmodules you dont have to. if you use modules you have to install the same kernel that you boot. or just use pygrub |
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| 14:22.38 | quitte | Fredle: or just copy the modules in the imge. the kernel itself is not actually needed |
| 14:22.54 | Fredle | ow, I see |
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| 14:23.42 | haris | k3b copies CDs by making an image ISO and then burning that to disc. Will that really work for a distribution CD, or is there something about md5sums and signing that I've missed? |
| 14:24.01 | Fredle | so, I used debootstrap to get the image filled, and all I have to do is configure the vm so that it uses pygrub and I can boot debian and get the configuration done? |
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| 14:25.10 | itchi | Is there a way to do a 'diff' with a local file and a remote? |
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| 14:25.43 | itchi | haris: k3b have a md5sum checker build in i thougt |
| 14:25.51 | itchi | dw_: ^ |
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| 14:26.13 | dw_ | itchi: right, but when an ISO is made doesn't it need to be signed by the distribution? |
| 14:26.30 | itchi | dw_: Not that i know, but realy not yet sure |
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| 14:27.03 | whatspy | gzip VS .bz2 won't work. whats a bz2 file ?! |
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| 14:27.20 | itchi | I not want to copy a remote file, need to make a patch, be avoiding to copy the remote file locally. I guess there's a trick for it |
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| 14:28.48 | [wz]MaC | need some help, when compiling modsecurity-apache_2.0.4 i need a file called special.mk which i don't have :-( |
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| 14:29.05 | [wz]MaC | and don't know where to get this file |
| 14:29.13 | maddash | [wz]MaC, search on packages.debian.org |
| 14:29.29 | maddash | [wz]MaC, specifically, search inside the packages |
| 14:29.36 | [wz]MaC | okay |
| 14:29.38 | [wz]MaC | i will try |
| 14:29.39 | itchi | [wz]MaC: Try /msg dpkg search |
| 14:29.40 | [wz]MaC | thanks |
| 14:29.55 | itchi | [wz]MaC: Especially to see in which deb the file foo is |
| 14:29.57 | [wz]MaC | okay |
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| 14:32.01 | [wz]MaC | okay, i giot it |
| 14:32.07 | [wz]MaC | there are 2 packages |
| 14:32.15 | [wz]MaC | devel/apache2-prefork-dev,devel/apache2-threaded-dev |
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| 14:32.27 | [wz]MaC | which one should i install? |
| 14:33.13 | Fredle | quitte, and what about domUloader? |
| 14:33.19 | itchi | [wz]MaC: i dunno, look to the package description?? apt-cache show foo ?? |
| 14:33.39 | quitte | Fredle: i've never heard about it. you might want to ask ##xen |
| 14:33.41 | itchi | [wz]MaC: It depend on what you acually use |
| 14:33.53 | Fredle | yeah, thx anyway |
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| 14:35.32 | itchi | I read some stuff here on google, looks like it's been possible to do a diff over ssh, but none show's how :-/ |
| 14:35.52 | [wz]MaC | yeah |
| 14:35.54 | [wz]MaC | works! |
| 14:35.58 | [wz]MaC | thanks guys! |
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| 14:37.07 | itchi | [wz]MaC: :-p |
| 14:37.18 | itchi | [wz]MaC: Tell me how to do a diff over ssh ;-) |
| 14:37.29 | [wz]MaC | erm |
| 14:37.39 | [wz]MaC | gtg |
| 14:37.41 | [wz]MaC | LOL ;) |
| 14:37.41 | itchi | I'm sure, it's somethings dumb, just not find any docs about it :-/ |
| 14:38.16 | maddash | what file manager (a non-term) do you guys use? |
| 14:38.39 | itchi | maddash: thunar |
| 14:38.49 | EdwardTLS | who here got ssl running with apache2.1 |
| 14:38.58 | maddash | itchi, your wm = xfce4? |
| 14:38.58 | EdwardTLS | the new apche2.1 had not cert thing |
| 14:39.22 | itchi | maddash: nope, Fluxbox :-) See a thunar screenshot http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/thunar_1.jpg |
| 14:39.47 | itchi | maddash: I use xfce time be time too |
| 14:39.50 | Shadowdancer | EdwardTLS: AFAIK they just changed the interface and all tutorials are wrong now. |
| 14:40.11 | maddash | itchi, is that gnome? |
| 14:40.16 | Shadowdancer | but that's just what I deducted from a colleagues rantings |
| 14:40.28 | intruder | im so excited about the release of etch |
| 14:40.44 | itchi | maddash: That screenshot was made in Fluxbox with the 'daft' modified theme (now dafted) |
| 14:40.44 | EdwardTLS | Shadowdancer: ok that I got.. now I can't find any thing in the docf how to create my own cert. |
| 14:41.06 | ender_ | Guys.. I'm running debian here and I'm trying to get my usd hdd mounted but it doesn't see it. What may I be missing (/me is a bit of a n00b) |
| 14:41.09 | Shadowdancer | I have a tutorial for that... on another machine :-/ |
| 14:41.21 | itchi | maddash: See http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/fluxbox_actual1.jpg |
| 14:41.30 | maddash | itchi, that's neat. what does `ps aux` have to say about thunar? |
| 14:41.36 | itchi | maddash: Up to fluxbox_actual4.jpg |
| 14:42.41 | itchi | maddash: http://pastebin.ca/313066 |
| 14:42.44 | maddash | itchi, nice. 3ddesktop. |
| 14:42.52 | itchi | maddash: Yup :-) |
| 14:43.07 | itchi | Fluxbox RULES also! |
| 14:43.30 | itchi | Just a bit sad that the default themes sucks so many in Debian :-( |
| 14:44.07 | itchi | And missing the most useful keybindings too, so you have a bit work, when starting with fluxbox, but kinda easy to setup, see fluxkeys gui tool |
| 14:44.35 | maddash | bah. RSS=11688? |
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| 14:45.38 | itchi | maddash: On fluxbox_actual4.jpg you saw the fluxkeys gui |
| 14:45.48 | maddash | itchi, yep. |
| 14:46.42 | itchi | maddash: If you want http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/debs/fluxboxextrathemes_0.0.1_all.deb have 3 nice themes, 2 default that are a bit modified, and the dafted theme too |
| 14:46.52 | itchi | maddash: These that i actually use and these you saw |
| 14:47.00 | maddash | itchi, i'm using icewm... |
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| 14:47.07 | itchi | maddash: :-p |
| 14:47.16 | EdwardTLS | what replaced apache2-ssl-certificate ? |
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| 14:47.36 | maddash | itchi, I'm also using 30 mb ram when I start up. I'm a caveman. |
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| 14:47.49 | itchi | maddash: hehe |
| 14:47.59 | bokey | itchi, mitchi pokey bokey! |
| 14:48.04 | bokey | itchi, what's going one ? hehe.. |
| 14:48.06 | itchi | bokey: :-p |
| 14:48.19 | itchi | bokey: Bastards of spammers love me |
| 14:48.20 | bokey | itchi, i mean what's going on ? |
| 14:48.24 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 14:48.35 | bokey | itchi, using 30 ip ? |
| 14:48.36 | itchi | bokey: Got be spammed on my GUICMS :-( |
| 14:48.41 | jucolt | hey all, I tried to find out some info about Java and Debian, now that Sun's JDK is released under the GPL, but I didn't find much. Anyone have any good pointers for reading on the topic? |
| 14:48.45 | itchi | bokey: No 76 right now |
| 14:48.50 | bokey | itchi, geez. |
| 14:49.00 | bokey | itchi, probably using mixmaster network i assume. |
| 14:49.19 | itchi | bokey: Yup, no matters, i have learn more about iptables, thanks to that F* bas* of spammers :-) |
| 14:49.26 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 14:49.34 | itchi | bokey: I dunno what he use, each time he spam with another ip |
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| 14:49.57 | bokey | itchi, you can't keep blocking all the ip tho. can u ? |
| 14:49.58 | itchi | One spam == DROP |
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| 14:50.10 | bokey | itchi, you'll end up dropping the whole internet packet. |
| 14:50.14 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 14:50.32 | itchi | bokey: It's a iptable rule, but yeah, i'm already on 76 diffs ip's :-/ |
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| 14:50.42 | maddash | itchi, irssi has a gtk interface?! |
| 14:50.45 | bokey | jucolt, java and debian ? |
| 14:50.57 | bee | how to enter busybox at kernel boot time? |
| 14:51.02 | itchi | bokey: I have implement a capcha filter, spam is getting slower, but the dude fill it now manually, geek spammer guy |
| 14:51.02 | bokey | itchi, dunno mate. :( sorry. |
| 14:51.11 | hark | itchi: your ISP blocks inbound 80? |
| 14:51.12 | itchi | maddash: I dunno, i use it in the cli |
| 14:51.14 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 14:51.23 | jucolt | bokey, yeah |
| 14:51.40 | itchi | maddash: You saw it running in a xterm (and in screen); if you have look to the screenshots on my site |
| 14:51.47 | jucolt | it seems with Sun's JDK under the GPL it could move into the Free repository if it found a package maintainer |
| 14:51.54 | itchi | hark: YEAH! sad ISP too |
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| 14:52.14 | Inf3rn0 | Is there some way to see what mouse device is currently being used? |
| 14:52.26 | itchi | hark: Tell him that i run a webserver, these wana be kill me; brrr |
| 14:52.48 | hark | itchi: heh, and what about 25? |
| 14:52.50 | itchi | Stupid, what about sharing and FREE stuff?! :-/ |
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| 14:52.54 | santibiotico | hi |
| 14:53.12 | itchi | hark: all < 1024 and some other essential are blocked :-( |
| 14:53.25 | Inf3rn0 | Not if you are root |
| 14:53.28 | santibiotico | is it possible to use ethereal to capture traffic without graphical interface? having only a debian base system with only CLI |
| 14:53.41 | jucolt | you can use tcpdump instead |
| 14:53.46 | santibiotico | ok |
| 14:53.47 | santibiotico | thx |
| 14:53.50 | jucolt | and then you can move the dump files to a box with a gui |
| 14:54.01 | jucolt | and use wireshark (ethereal replacement) to look at them |
| 14:54.02 | itchi | gui is for spammers! |
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| 14:54.13 | itchi | My spammer is a F* wintendo user, f* |
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| 14:54.53 | itchi | The dude still runs some win98 boxes, woooaaa, and then these complain we have old software buahaha |
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| 14:55.48 | bokey | itchi, winblows sounds good to me. |
| 14:55.50 | bokey | itchi, heh.. |
| 14:55.54 | Shadowdancer | itchi: just let Nessus have some fun with his box... Omit the "non-destructive" tests, and he'll be out after a few ones. |
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| 14:56.08 | itchi | bokey: Mean you WinCrap? :-) |
| 14:56.17 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 14:56.29 | bokey | Shadowdancer, what will that do mate ? |
| 14:56.29 | itchi | Shadowdancer: Tell me a bit more :-) |
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| 14:56.59 | itchi | Yeah, that bastard have try to overload my webserver too, also try to crack the login form |
| 14:57.06 | maddash | !superserver |
| 14:57.19 | maddash | !tell me about superserver |
| 14:57.26 | Shadowdancer | Nessus used to know a lot of nice attacks to test for, the destructive ones can do a lot of things to vulnerable machines. Mine just rebooted though. |
| 14:57.28 | itchi | maddash: See /msg dpkg selftell ;-) |
| 14:57.50 | karmatronic | hi maddash |
| 14:57.55 | itchi | Shadowdancer: hhhmm, it's my gateway server too :-) |
| 14:57.56 | maddash | itchi, I did. it knows nothing about it, even though it's installed here by default. how irconic |
| 14:58.02 | maddash | itchi, ironic* |
| 14:58.15 | maddash | hi karmatronic |
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| 14:58.41 | itchi | I have made a abuse_reporter.py that get the abuse emails of each bastard ip, but these ips not respond :-( |
| 14:58.47 | itchi | an* |
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| 14:59.21 | itchi | ... these isp not resont do my mail, i mean |
| 14:59.28 | itchi | brr |
| 14:59.28 | adrenaline | Ok two things one how do I stream music from my file server with debian? |
| 14:59.37 | Ronin | awful lot of work itchi just for spam |
| 14:59.39 | itchi | adrenaline: mpd?? |
| 14:59.48 | adrenaline | mpd? |
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| 15:00.08 | itchi | Ronin: Yeah, the situation looks good now, it's now near more than 2 hours i have no more spam on comments |
| 15:00.08 | iuso | hi, i've resized my partitions and created a few more after i installed debian unstable. my debian part that used to be sda5 is now sda7. when i make a new kernel package with make-kpkg and install it, it persistently renames all "root=/dev/sda7" lines to "root=/dev/sda5". where's that sda5 stored in? |
| 15:00.18 | malex | What does apt use for dns resolution? I had a runup with debfoster2aptitude and now after a few packages were erroneously removed I get host resolution failures from either apt or aptitude, so I can't update the package databases at all. |
| 15:00.22 | itchi | Ronin: Just that i have got it hot here these last 3 days :-) |
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| 15:00.29 | iuso | i mean it renames the root= lines in menu.list |
| 15:00.47 | maddash | where's amphi? |
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| 15:01.12 | jucolt | so the Sun JDK is packaged for Testing and Unstable in the non-free section |
| 15:01.23 | itchi | iuso: Look in your /boot/grub/menu.lst for the 'kopt' option |
| 15:01.26 | karmatronic | maddash: #PovRAY #gnash ##linux #linuxhelp #debian |
| 15:01.33 | jucolt | I wonder if the "gpled" code won't build |
| 15:01.45 | itchi | maddash: /whois amphi |
| 15:01.48 | jucolt | and that's what is keeping it out of main |
| 15:02.07 | maddash | karmatronic, itchi, thanks |
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| 15:03.42 | itchi | Ronin: The big troubles was before implementing that capcha stuff |
| 15:03.45 | karmatronic | does anyone know how to hide user when connecting to IRC with irssi? |
| 15:04.06 | azeem | karmatronic: you mean ignore users? |
| 15:04.07 | maddash | karmatronic, not sure , but isn't /ghost standard? |
| 15:04.09 | itchi | Ronin: Now the spam is near controlled, just sad i have work for that f* spam |
| 15:04.11 | iuso | itchi: i mean that dpkg -i my-kernel-package.deb rearranges all my manually edited boot options in menu.lst, replacing all instances of root=/dev/sda7 with root=/dev/sda5. so there must be an info stored somewhere during install that my debian part is /dev/sda5, and i want to change that to /dev/sda7 |
| 15:04.12 | jucolt | http://mjr.towers.org.uk/blog/2006/debian |
| 15:04.18 | jucolt | links to Sun's FAW |
| 15:04.20 | jucolt | FAQ |
| 15:04.33 | jucolt | says the jdk doesn't build |
| 15:04.37 | jetscreamer | iuso: alternatives, in the menu.lst |
| 15:04.45 | jucolt | *yet* |
| 15:04.51 | itchi | iuso: Yes, that's why you can define the root stuff and soo, wait, here's a sample: |
| 15:04.55 | jetscreamer | nad kopt |
| 15:04.58 | jetscreamer | and |
| 15:04.59 | azeem | jucolt: the gpl'd code isn't packaged so fra |
| 15:05.00 | azeem | far |
| 15:05.28 | itchi | iuso: kopt=root=/dev/sda6 ro vga=791 |
| 15:05.28 | jucolt | azeem, yes, so I see |
| 15:05.28 | jucolt | thanks |
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| 15:05.29 | iuso | itchi: will dpkg read and abide to that setting then? |
| 15:05.36 | adrenaline | itchi, can I apt-get mpd? |
| 15:05.42 | karmatronic | maddash: no |
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| 15:05.54 | itchi | iuso: Yup, it's more the grub that look there, but apt ask grub to do .. |
| 15:06.14 | adrenaline | itchi, nevermind I just did |
| 15:06.16 | itchi | adrenaline: Sure |
| 15:06.17 | honschu | Hi, is it possible to extract a win32-exe which is a "zip-file-self-extraction"? |
| 15:06.20 | maddash | joeds: did you install the X fonts? |
| 15:06.28 | maddash | joeds: maybe, xfonts-base |
| 15:06.32 | itchi | adrenaline: Probably you first want to do a search apt-cache search mpd |
| 15:06.36 | jucolt | hmm, the FAQ is what I needed I guess |
| 15:06.53 | jucolt | until Sun gets their code ready I guess Debian can't do much about it |
| 15:06.56 | itchi | honschu: Trash that crap |
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| 15:07.20 | iuso | itchi: ok, i'll see how that option affected me the next time i install a custom kernel deb |
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| 15:07.47 | adrenaline | itchi, how do I start it? |
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| 15:07.49 | iuso | itchi: btw, do you know if it's possible to simply prohibit make-kpkg or dpkg from editing menu.lst? |
| 15:07.53 | itchi | iuso: Yup, it does it right, here 'default' he want to put i to hda each time i upgrade the kernel, but i have a sda! |
| 15:07.53 | honschu | itchi: But there are some nice pictures in |
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| 15:08.13 | azeem | iuso: I think you can configure that in /etc/default/kernel.opts or something |
| 15:08.25 | joeds | Hi, I have a bizarre problem. I wanted to install some sound software that required me to upgrade GTK+ (I was in sarge at the time) after a freetype compilation all my task bar and menu fonts vanished. I thought a dist-upgrade to etch might resolve it but it hasn't. All I can see is a lot of squares. I've been tying to mess around with my xorg.conf for 2 days now without luck. Any ideas? |
| 15:08.33 | azeem | iuso: /etc/kernel-img.conf rather |
| 15:08.34 | itchi | adrenaline: Read the docs of you app :-p dpkg -L foo and see which files are installed |
| 15:08.39 | iuso | azeem: ok, thanks |
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| 15:08.57 | hark | honschu: try cabextract |
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| 15:09.29 | itchi | iuso: Alos i like that he 're' put my vga=791 option |
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| 15:09.49 | karmatronic | maddash: allright it s simply editing irrsi .config ....:) |
| 15:10.01 | iuso | ok thanks, gtg |
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| 15:10.47 | xlinuks | wow, there are alotta ppl here.. |
| 15:10.54 | maddash | karmatronic, thanks, I'll remember that for future reference. |
| 15:11.00 | itchi | azeem: Know you how i can do a remote diff? |
| 15:11.10 | itchi | azeem: . and remote |
| 15:11.17 | azeem | why do you ask me and not the channel? |
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| 15:11.25 | itchi | azeem: I did it already ;-) |
| 15:11.34 | azeem | I don't. |
| 15:11.45 | itchi | azeem: You was not there when i have asked ;-) |
| 15:12.08 | blame | I have USB LAN (rj45) card but it the hardware wont work. How do I 'utilize' my usb nic ? |
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| 15:13.02 | quitte | how do i find all broken links? |
| 15:13.08 | itchi | blame: What tell lsusb you? dmesg also |
| 15:13.19 | maddash | quitte, "links"? |
| 15:13.23 | itchi | quitte: Web link? |
| 15:13.40 | ktwilight | blame, you need to find the hardware's module driver thing. |
| 15:13.46 | quitte | symlinks |
| 15:13.51 | solemnwarning | Is there some program I can use to do random read/writes to a disk? |
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| 15:14.00 | itchi | solemnwarning: /dev/random |
| 15:14.23 | solemnwarning | dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/blah <-- Read and write? |
| 15:14.25 | blame | itchi: Bus 001 Device 001: ID 0000:0000 |
| 15:14.25 | blame | Bus 001 Device 002: ID 0a46:0268 Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. |
| 15:14.26 | adrenaline | itchi, mpd is a client/server app |
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| 15:14.43 | adrenaline | isn't there a client that will stream across my network? |
| 15:14.48 | blame | ktwilight: how would I do that ? |
| 15:14.56 | itchi | blame: You will be interesting in the lsusb -v to get a geek output |
| 15:15.02 | ktwilight | lsusb or dmesg should tell ya something |
| 15:15.04 | itchi | adrenaline: Yup |
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| 15:15.11 | itchi | adrenaline: Not yet read the apt-cache show foo ?? |
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| 15:16.26 | blame | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.26 | blame | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.26 | blame | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.40 | itchi | blame: Install modconf, and look if you find your module there with the info you have |
| 15:16.40 | blame | -v of lsusb |
| 15:16.47 | itchi | blame: NOT paste here ;-) |
| 15:16.55 | blame | sorry |
| 15:17.12 | itchi | blame: Use a paster, see /msg dpkg paste or paster |
| 15:17.31 | itchi | blame: You was on the way to paste a bunch of stuff here ;-) |
| 15:17.39 | adrenaline | itchi, debian isn't my file server it is my client |
| 15:17.44 | itchi | blame: lsusb -v |
| 15:17.50 | blame | sure, I thought that 3 lines werent big of a deal |
| 15:18.01 | itchi | adrenaline: Install it on your client?? |
| 15:18.07 | blame | you want the whole log itchi ? |
| 15:18.09 | solemnwarning | er wtf |
| 15:18.12 | adrenaline | I did install it on my client |
| 15:18.18 | solemnwarning | 281MB hard drive needs large device support? |
| 15:18.19 | itchi | adrenaline: Remove that crap and install Debian on your client :-p |
| 15:18.30 | adrenaline | Debian is my client |
| 15:18.36 | adrenaline | centos is my server |
| 15:18.36 | itchi | adrenaline: ok |
| 15:18.57 | itchi | solemnwarning: no |
| 15:19.04 | solemnwarning | According to dmesg it does |
| 15:19.04 | maddash | solemnwarning, recompile w/o large block support |
| 15:19.09 | itchi | solemnwarning: It's above 2 GB i thought |
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| 15:19.15 | solemnwarning | I don't have large block support |
| 15:19.19 | solemnwarning | Large block == 2TB |
| 15:19.29 | adrenaline | All I want to do is open like amorak in debian and play songs that are on my centos box using smb |
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| 15:19.38 | itchi | solemnwarning: Im miss |
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| 15:20.19 | solemnwarning | Can I make the kernel do random read/writes to it? |
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| 15:20.24 | itchi | adrenaline: hhhm, mount a remote smb then |
| 15:20.31 | solemnwarning | /dev/sda is 0 bytes since it thinks it needs large block |
| 15:20.54 | adrenaline | itchi, isn't there an app that will do that for me? |
| 15:21.20 | itchi | adrenaline: mount |
| 15:21.30 | adrenaline | Other distros it works debian is the only one I am having issues with |
| 15:21.33 | itchi | adrenaline: Or in your /etc/fstab |
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| 15:21.34 | prumprum | i've got a file on my filesystem which is 1.8k , however when i 'cat' this file, i don't see any contents at all, i've run e2fsck on this disk, and it says that it is clean, i'm wondering what could be wrong, there are more files in the same directory, that are also empty, at least, when catting them |
| 15:21.46 | itchi | adrenaline: Your not yet clear for me |
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| 15:22.11 | Shadowdancer | prumprum: the file could be full of null bytes. try piping it through hd |
| 15:22.30 | adrenaline | If I use ubuntu I can go to my smb network and right click a song on my network and click open with amarok then it will play |
| 15:22.41 | adrenaline | It works with windows too |
| 15:22.48 | adrenaline | Media player |
| 15:23.05 | prumprum | Shadowdancer, i'm getting: 00000000 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 |................| |
| 15:23.20 | adrenaline | Then I can drag a whole list of songs in the play list and it will play as if locally |
| 15:23.27 | Shadowdancer | full of null bytes then. those don't print on the console. |
| 15:23.31 | adrenaline | Debian is the only distro that doesn't work with |
| 15:23.38 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 15:23.42 | bintut | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:23.45 | itchi | bintut: :-p |
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| 15:23.54 | prumprum | Shadowdancer, http://www.pastebin.ca/313088 |
| 15:24.07 | prumprum | Shadowdancer, ow okay, but there was "code" in that file, it's a .sh file |
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| 15:24.29 | Shadowdancer | well, it sure isn't anymore |
| 15:24.37 | bintut | like adding, subtracting, multiplying or dividing mm:ss:ms ? |
| 15:24.55 | petemc | adrenaline: samba works fine on debian, you just dont get the same level of handholding you may be used to, tho etch is pretty good at that |
| 15:24.57 | prumprum | Shadowdancer, hehe, damn :-) |
| 15:25.11 | adrenaline | petemc, samba is working fine |
| 15:25.16 | Shadowdancer | adrenaline: I can, e.g. in konqueror, go to the System tab, then Remote places -> Samba shares. Works quite well. |
| 15:25.26 | adrenaline | I can get to the song I just can't get totem or amarok or xmms to play them |
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| 15:25.49 | petemc | adrenaline: thats not what i would describe as "working fine" |
| 15:25.59 | adrenaline | Shadowdancer, samba works I am only having issues with playing music across the network |
| 15:26.14 | adrenaline | I can access files and I can see the music petemc |
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| 15:26.21 | adrenaline | It just won't play |
| 15:26.25 | maddash | adrenaline, you have the file, rah? it's just the sound that's not coming out? |
| 15:26.33 | adrenaline | yes |
| 15:26.36 | maddash | adrenaline, are you able to, say, nano the file? |
| 15:26.36 | adrenaline | maddash, |
| 15:26.44 | adrenaline | yes |
| 15:26.53 | maddash | adrenaline, make sure you have alsa-utils alsa-base and libesd0-alsa |
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| 15:27.17 | adrenaline | maddash, I will try that |
| 15:27.40 | karmatronic | maddash,adrenaline :dont need libesd0-alsa |
| 15:27.47 | itchi | adrenaline: With local music, it been play right? |
| 15:28.04 | maddash | adrenaline, karmatronic, actually, he might...unless libesd0 works for him already |
| 15:28.19 | adrenaline | itchi, yes |
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| 15:28.34 | maddash | adrenaline, karmatronic, eg, in my case. btw, adrenaline, make sure you run alsa-config after the install |
| 15:28.38 | prumprum | Shadowdancer, the filesystem must be corrupt then i guess |
| 15:29.00 | Shadowdancer | have you been playing with the 2.6.19 kernels? :-P |
| 15:29.53 | maddash | adrenaline, if you can play with local music, but specifically not remote music, then chk to see the files aren't corrupt...my alsa fix has to with the speakers not playing music with *any* (local/remote) music at all.. |
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| 15:30.45 | adrenaline | maddash, files are not corrupt because I can play them fine with other distros ubunto windows mac |
| 15:30.47 | adrenaline | etc |
| 15:30.48 | whatspy | forgot something: how to set a persisting environment variable |
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| 15:31.03 | Shadowdancer | whatah: how persistent? |
| 15:31.26 | maddash | adrenaline, that's odd. did the alsa thing work? you might have to sudo for alsa-config |
| 15:31.28 | whatspy | Shadowdancer: survives logouts and reboots |
| 15:31.35 | Shadowdancer | damn... |
| 15:31.37 | itchi | adrenaline: Have you look to the bts about samba? We never know, maybe is there a know bug for playing sound of a such share?? |
| 15:31.41 | Shadowdancer | the file /etc/environment |
| 15:31.44 | Shadowdancer | may help. |
| 15:31.47 | karmatronic | adrenaline: your files are right |
| 15:31.49 | Shadowdancer | damn IRC client :-) |
| 15:32.27 | karmatronic | adrenaline: the thing is that when you click on them with other distros , they automatically get mounted through a smb share |
| 15:32.38 | karmatronic | so it s a kde or gnome issue |
| 15:32.59 | karmatronic | karmatronic: or even your file browser |
| 15:33.17 | whatspy | yeah there it is !!! thanks |
| 15:33.22 | itchi | adrenaline: Use fluxbox ;-) http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/fluxbox_actual1.jpg |
| 15:33.31 | maddash | karmatronic, you just told yourself a fact that you never knew? |
| 15:33.54 | karmatronic | maddash: yeah i like to talk to myself :) |
| 15:34.00 | Shadowdancer | although KDE applications should be OK with trying to play stuff through konqueror since they both use the proper abstraction |
| 15:34.16 | karmatronic | maddash: that s the good part of beeing schizophrenic |
| 15:34.22 | karmatronic | maddash: you never get bored |
| 15:34.28 | maddash | karmatronic, don't feel left out. I've got OCD *and* I'm bipolar. |
| 15:34.36 | karmatronic | maddash: with all those voices in your head |
| 15:35.11 | maddash | karmatronic, I compulsively deborphan. lol. |
| 15:35.46 | Shadowdancer | maddash: unless you don't do that recursively, have at it ;-) |
| 15:36.26 | amphi | itchi: openbox! |
| 15:36.55 | itchi | amphi: shuuut :-p |
| 15:37.00 | maddash | amphi ! |
| 15:37.02 | itchi | amphi: YEAH!, nice too |
| 15:37.15 | maddash | Shadowdancer, no no, you misunderstand. during one of my "normal" days, I `deborphan -n -d`. When I get angry, I sudo aptitude purge apt. |
| 15:37.25 | itchi | amphi: Just that menu; when it's to long borow me in openbox |
| 15:37.28 | maddash | amphi, itchi ICEWM! |
| 15:37.38 | amphi | itchi: I think wmii is quite nice, but my laptop is too lo-res for a tiling wm to make much sense |
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| 15:38.00 | amphi | itchi: menu? I just use terms or grun |
| 15:38.01 | itchi | I use fluxbox on a new duo core :-) |
| 15:38.13 | amphi | itchi: smug bastard ;) |
| 15:38.13 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, the main menu with the apps |
| 15:38.35 | amphi | itchi: a keybindigng for grun is very useful I find |
| 15:38.42 | maddash | itchi, if only I could tie you down in front of my "work" computer... |
| 15:38.45 | joeds | could someone help me with X server fonts please? All my desktop and menu fonts are unreadble although i can see fonts inside apps |
| 15:38.54 | itchi | amphi: heh, it's my first new laptop, my previous was a 300MHz and i got it 36de hands. After some years, i finaly have buy me a laptop :-p |
| 15:38.56 | maddash | joeds, read my msg from before |
| 15:39.03 | joeds | sorry missed it |
| 15:39.15 | amphi | itchi: I joke - enjoy ;) |
| 15:39.23 | itchi | amphi: Yup, here i have win+e (win=mod4) |
| 15:39.29 | maddash | <maddash> joeds: did you install the X fonts? |
| 15:39.29 | maddash | <maddash> joeds: maybe, xfonts-base |
| 15:39.36 | joeds | yes |
| 15:39.43 | itchi | amphi: i use bbrun :-p |
| 15:40.09 | amphi | itchi: I used that long ago, I forget how it is; grun does pretty nice completion |
| 15:40.20 | itchi | amphi: yup, bbrun to :-) |
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| 15:40.25 | cydork | amphi: try ion3 :) |
| 15:40.33 | itchi | cydork: Is to geek :-p |
| 15:40.39 | karmatronic | adrenaline: which file browser do you use ? |
| 15:40.39 | joeds | i also tried apet-get remove xfonts-base and then apt-get install xfonts-base no luck |
| 15:40.41 | amphi | cydork: is that a tiling wm? |
| 15:40.51 | itchi | At that level, im then better with ratpoison |
| 15:40.54 | cydork | amphi: yep :) |
| 15:41.06 | amphi | cydork: not much use on 1024x768 :) |
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| 15:41.21 | adrenaline | karmatronic, what do you mean? |
| 15:41.28 | amphi | cydork: I tend to run things fullscreen with no decorations |
| 15:41.28 | blerk | is it possible to boot and then netinstall debian from an usb disc? |
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| 15:41.44 | itchi | amphi: bbrun is many smaller, just somethings very small, compared to grun |
| 15:41.46 | karmatronic | adrenaline: nautilus for instance |
| 15:41.46 | joeds | pango reports a bad font when I've tried a few things |
| 15:41.51 | maddash | blerk, definitely, provided you can boot from a usb |
| 15:41.51 | Bhavesh | hi |
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| 15:41.55 | adrenaline | nautilus I think |
| 15:42.08 | maddash | joeds: defoma. chk it out. |
| 15:42.09 | blerk | maddash: yea it boots fine from the usb stick |
| 15:42.12 | cydork | amphi: you can do what every you want. i am using it at 1024 too . |
| 15:42.13 | adrenaline | itchi what would the window manager make a difference? |
| 15:42.18 | maddash | blerk, so what's the problem? |
| 15:42.24 | itchi | amphi: hhhm, just taht grun have a interactive autocompletion, with bbrun we need to TAB it |
| 15:42.29 | karmatronic | adrenaline: run pgrep nautilus to be sure |
| 15:42.31 | itchi | adrenaline: MANY! |
| 15:42.35 | joeds | i installed defoma but i'm not sure what to do with it. |
| 15:42.53 | itchi | adrenaline: It's like a Porsche with a crap VW motor |
| 15:43.01 | adrenaline | I am using KDE right now because gnome broke |
| 15:43.01 | itchi | (shuuuut, i like VW :-p) |
| 15:43.09 | amphi | itchi: yeah, grun is a massive 33KB ;) of course, it links to loads of gtk shared libs, but I use other gtk stuff anyway, so that's not an issue |
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| 15:43.21 | blerk | maddash: how would i go about and make it work? copy an netinstall iso to the stick and use isolinux to make it bootable? :/ |
| 15:43.31 | itchi | amphi: yup, me too, use also some gtk stuff here |
| 15:43.40 | maddash | blerk, no...do you have a livecd linux, or any linux available to you? |
| 15:43.56 | amphi | itchi: bbrun does decent completion? |
| 15:43.56 | maddash | blerk, mount thru loopback and dd the image over |
| 15:44.10 | itchi | amphi: Gnome and KDE is installed here on the laptop, i not use it, only for presentation show |
| 15:44.19 | blerk | maddash: cheers, i'll give it a go |
| 15:44.21 | maddash | amphi: icewm has an internal equivalent to bbrun, grun, etc... |
| 15:44.25 | DimmuR | do you know any livecd linux distribution (best if debian-based) that have xgl (compiz/beryl) inside? |
| 15:44.25 | itchi | amphi: yup, he complete it right, that's what i find |
| 15:44.29 | maddash | blerk, you understand what to do, rah? |
| 15:44.30 | joeds | downloading defoma docs |
| 15:44.33 | amphi | itchi: cool |
| 15:44.45 | rawcut_ | what about dwm ? http://dwm.suckless.org (see rawcut.free.fr/2007.png) |
| 15:44.50 | maddash | joeds: man defoma. |
| 15:44.52 | amphi | maddash: never used icewm, but people seem to like it |
| 15:44.58 | itchi | amphi: grun, just show the matching stuff when you type, with bbrun, you need to TAB to see the stuff |
| 15:45.00 | amphi | rawcut_: is that a fork of wmii? |
| 15:45.09 | amphi | itchi: bah ;) |
| 15:45.21 | itchi | amphi: Yeah, i leave with bbrun :-p |
| 15:45.25 | maddash | amphi: it happily thrives on 3932 K of physmem... |
| 15:45.29 | joeds | thanks. reading. |
| 15:45.36 | Shadowdancer | amphi: seems so... "little brother" |
| 15:45.38 | blerk | maddash: yes sir, i will let you know how it went |
| 15:45.41 | maddash | LOL |
| 15:45.42 | amphi | maddash: yeah, it's one of the light ones |
| 15:45.54 | itchi | amphi: It's just smaller in room on the screen, i like when it's clean. |
| 15:45.54 | maddash | amphi, what file-manager? |
| 15:46.14 | amphi | maddash: huh? |
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| 15:46.26 | adrenaline | Ya it is still not working |
| 15:46.27 | itchi | amphi: It's a little 15.4" here ;-) |
| 15:46.35 | amphi | maddash: I use the shell, very occasionally mc |
| 15:46.46 | adrenaline | It works with kde on other distros seems to be a debian thing |
| 15:46.59 | rawcut_ | amphi: not exactly. a // project, lighter than wmii |
| 15:47.09 | maddash | amphi, mc can't drag/drop, can it? |
| 15:47.11 | itchi | adrenaline: What about vlc? |
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| 15:47.29 | amphi | rawcut_: without the plan9ish config file server stuff? |
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| 15:47.33 | itchi | maddash: Drag an trash too |
| 15:47.40 | amphi | maddash: no, thank ghod |
| 15:47.40 | rawcut_ | amphi: yep |
| 15:47.43 | Shadowdancer | itchi: you like pain, don't you ;-) |
| 15:47.51 | itchi | maddash: Forget that mouse man, you gona get pain on your hand |
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| 15:48.11 | itchi | Shadowdancer: Yeah, i'm a bit sad these last day, F* spammer |
| 15:48.15 | adrenaline | what is vlc? |
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| 15:48.21 | maddash | amphi, get your trackpoint fixed. lol. |
| 15:48.28 | itchi | adrenaline: apt-cache show vlc ;-) |
| 15:48.30 | amphi | adrenaline: video lan client I believe |
| 15:48.47 | Inf3rn0 | How can I automatically install the packages listed as dependencies for something? |
| 15:48.53 | Shadowdancer | but don't get fooled into actually trying vls. That's an outdated POS. |
| 15:49.00 | maddash | Inf3rn0, use aptitde |
| 15:49.05 | Shadowdancer | vlc does work sometimes. |
| 15:49.07 | maddash | Inf3rn0, aptitude* in place of apt-get |
| 15:49.07 | Inf3rn0 | aptitude |
| 15:49.08 | amphi | maddash: I joke, I just don't do drag 'n drop; i don't use the mouse much at all, except for gimp, inkscape, and the like |
| 15:49.11 | Inf3rn0 | ok |
| 15:49.53 | adrenaline | itchi, again that is a streaming server not what I am looking for |
| 15:50.06 | itchi | That's why it's super nice with Fluxbox, you can control it completely with the keyboard :-) |
| 15:50.26 | itchi | adrenaline: vlc is not a stream server btw |
| 15:50.27 | maddash | amphi, ach, before i forget - does `su && xset dpms force off` work for you? |
| 15:50.27 | adrenaline | I just want to open a song over the network and play it withouth copying it locally |
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| 15:50.39 | itchi | adrenaline: it's just a client for different type of music |
| 15:50.46 | adrenaline | and multimedia |
| 15:50.46 | adrenaline | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:50.51 | amphi | maddash: why su? |
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| 15:50.56 | amphi | maddash: I didn't try |
| 15:51.06 | adrenaline | alright I will try it. |
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| 15:51.30 | jjazz | adrenaline: You just want to play a song on the local machine from network storage? |
| 15:51.38 | itchi | adrenaline: vlc work with video too |
| 15:51.43 | adrenaline | jjazz, yes actually a list of songs |
| 15:52.10 | jjazz | adrenaline: Use sshfs to mount the dir with the songs in it and then play them just like you would any local songs |
| 15:52.19 | jjazz | (at least, that's how I do it) |
| 15:52.28 | maddash | amphi, su, b/c acpid executes the /etc/acpi scripts from root...and fn+f3 isn't working over here... |
| 15:52.46 | adrenaline | jjazz, is that a debian thing? I don't have to do that with other distros |
| 15:52.54 | jjazz | adrenaline: sshfs isn't a debian thing |
| 15:53.01 | karsten | jjazz: That's a lot of overhead (compression/encryption) for low-value data. NFS or SMB might be more suitable. |
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| 15:53.11 | adrenaline | I know but having to do that is that a debian thing jjazz |
| 15:53.35 | adrenaline | I can usually open amarok and play songs with no extra configs on other distros |
| 15:53.47 | Shadowdancer | that is not a debian thing. Rather, the othe distros are doing "other distro things" to work around some things. |
| 15:53.48 | jjazz | karsten: It streams just fine on my wireless g network, so the load hasn't been a problem. But you're right. |
| 15:53.51 | adrenaline | I am not familiar with sshfs |
| 15:53.59 | karsten | jjazz: I'm used to it ;-) |
| 15:54.08 | jjazz | adrenaline: It's not a debian thing, it's just the way I happen to do it. |
| 15:54.17 | karsten | jjazz: sshfs is part of FUSE? |
| 15:54.24 | adrenaline | what si the format? |
| 15:54.25 | jjazz | karsten: yes |
| 15:54.30 | Inf3rn0 | Both aptitude and apt-get wants to remove packages even though I want them to install... |
| 15:54.31 | azeem | it uses FUSE |
| 15:54.31 | adrenaline | I will try it |
| 15:54.35 | Shadowdancer | the main problem is encryption which uses mor CPU time than one would ordinarily think. |
| 15:54.51 | anapivirtua_ | Pom Pom Pom all |
| 15:54.59 | karsten | Shadowdancer: Right. |
| 15:55.00 | jjazz | karsten: I use Samba to share the same music with the win boxes on my network, so I guess there's no good reason why I'm using sshfs for the linux boxes |
| 15:55.08 | Shadowdancer | ssh and friends are damn slow. scp is regularly killing performance on a 750MHz Athlon I use as a server. |
| 15:55.25 | adrenaline | jjazz, how do I use sshfs to stream my music? |
| 15:55.36 | maddash | amphi, does your fn+f3 script (blanking the screen?) use `xset dpms force off`? |
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| 15:55.48 | Shadowdancer | BTW, is there a good way to mount CIFS shares? something like cifsmount instead of smbmount? |
| 15:55.59 | karsten | adrenaline: sshfs is just one of many ways of making remote data available locally. You'd access the music just as another file on your directory tree. |
| 15:56.00 | bokey | Shadowdancer, mount.cifs |
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| 15:56.21 | karmatronic | adrenaline: vlc os just the best thing ever |
| 15:56.21 | jjazz | adrenaline: modprobe fuse; sshfs user@host:dir mountpoint |
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| 15:56.26 | Shadowdancer | that would require either suid, su, sudo or an fstab entry, right? |
| 15:56.29 | jjazz | adrenaline: dir is relative to your home dir |
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| 15:56.34 | karmatronic | adrenaline: one of those must-have tools |
| 15:56.56 | karsten | adrenaline: The side conversation here is suggesting you might use one of the alternative remote file access methods with less overhead (sshfs puts a lot of CPU load on both client and server for encryption/decription). Two common alternatives are SMB (samba) and NFS (network file system). |
| 15:57.04 | Trewas | Shadowdancer: from my experience encryption overhead is quite low, using all of 100mbit network's bandwidth takes only ~10% on this sempron 2800+ |
| 15:57.17 | jelly | Trewas: nfs uses 0% |
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| 15:57.27 | karsten | !win jelly |
| 15:57.27 | dpkg | Congratulations, jelly! You have won the US presidency! |
| 15:57.36 | Shadowdancer | Trewas: as already mentioned, my machine is far from a Sempron 2800+ ;-) |
| 15:57.49 | jjazz | jelly: But then you don't have encryption and everybody will know you have terrible taste in music. |
| 15:57.53 | karsten | Trewas: ... or 280 MHz equivalent ;-) |
| 15:58.01 | Shadowdancer | and it's also running software RAID1 somewhere in there |
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| 15:58.07 | adrenaline | karsten, I am using smb it is not working to play music |
| 15:58.12 | karsten | jjazz: music doesn't taste, it sounds. |
| 15:58.16 | karsten | adrenaline: Why not? |
| 15:58.18 | adrenaline | I can access the song but it won't play in a player |
| 15:58.23 | Trewas | Shadowdancer: sure, on slower machines encryption becomes a bottleneck, and compression is much worse |
| 15:58.32 | adrenaline | I don't know tht is why I am here |
| 15:58.33 | jjazz | karsten: You obviously haven't experienced music 2.0 |
| 15:58.34 | jelly | jjazz: see if I care! Also, it's a switched network, let the buggers sniff it away |
| 15:58.37 | karsten | adrenaline: Um, "won't play" how? |
| 15:58.59 | adrenaline | Ok I go to the network to a song I right click and say open with amarok |
| 15:59.07 | karsten | jjazz: I thought O'Reilly had trademarked that. I'm telling their lawyers you've used that term without permission. |
| 15:59.08 | adrenaline | It shows in the play list but wont play |
| 15:59.14 | Shadowdancer | Trewas: a colleague was experimenting with quite a beefy embedded system. Setting up a session key on one of those took over 10 seconds :-) |
| 15:59.19 | adrenaline | If I copy it locally it does |
| 15:59.22 | karsten | adrenaline: Um. Can you, say, cat the file? Peermissions issue? |
| 15:59.41 | adrenaline | not a permission issuer works on all my other desktops |
| 15:59.57 | karsten | adrenaline: Um, irrelevent. |
| 16:00.06 | jjazz | karsten: all that tasty music will be worth the lawsuit. |
| 16:00.22 | karsten | adrenaline: If you've got that set up ATM, 'ls -l' your music dirctory (over samba). |
| 16:00.30 | karsten | !tell adrenaline about paste |
| 16:00.41 | karsten | adrenaline: ... and paste to the pastebin site. |
| 16:00.57 | adrenaline | All of my music is 775 |
| 16:01.00 | karsten | adrenaline: The filesystem used to access music files shouldn't matter, period. |
| 16:01.04 | maddash | adrenaline, the alsa files didn't work? |
| 16:01.07 | karsten | adrenaline: Owner? |
| 16:01.09 | jelly | some of my music is 883 |
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| 16:01.30 | adrenaline | owner root group music with my user in the group file |
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| 16:02.00 | maddash | karsten, adrenaline told me that he could nano the music files...so obviously read access isn't the issue |
| 16:02.02 | adrenaline | again works on windows mac and centos |
| 16:02.15 | maddash | adrenaline, did you run alsa-config? |
| 16:02.18 | jelly | adrenaline: say, if you do a right-click -> File info on the song in playlist, what does the url look like? |
| 16:02.24 | adrenaline | also works on ubuntu |
| 16:02.29 | karsten | maddash: OK. |
| 16:02.41 | jjazz | adrenaline: Does sound work? |
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| 16:02.53 | karsten | adrenaline: Those would be two seperate systems, you may have different mount options set up for your Debian box. |
| 16:02.57 | adrenaline | jelly I use konqueror or nautilus network: to access the file |
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| 16:03.17 | adrenaline | jjazz, yes sound works it is a network issue |
| 16:03.31 | jelly | adrenaline: Not asking about the file browser, but what amarok thinks about it. |
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| 16:03.32 | adrenaline | jjazz, if I copy it locally I can play fine |
| 16:03.45 | adrenaline | I also tried totem and xmms |
| 16:03.46 | karsten | adrenaline: Confirm that sound works locally. Then, if you don't already have it installed, install the 'sox' package and try to play a file with 'play'. |
| 16:03.58 | karsten | adrenaline: totem & xmms succeed or fail? |
| 16:04.11 | adrenaline | all fail in debian |
| 16:04.16 | adrenaline | all work in other distros |
| 16:04.27 | karsten | jelly: That konqueror bit may be relevant if it's setting up the samba connection. |
| 16:04.46 | karsten | adrenaline: Some paste output would be useful. |
| 16:05.22 | karsten | adrenaline: Above listing request + your samba mount status (grep smb /proc/mounts) |
| 16:05.40 | poncha | i want to pipe X clients to my server via ssh. is it doable ? |
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| 16:05.59 | karsten | !sshx |
| 16:06.00 | dpkg | well, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
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| 16:06.31 | karsten | poncha: You can tunnel an SSH connection. Moving existing client instances to a different server is markedly harder. VNC allows you to share a desktop however. |
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| 16:06.42 | adrenaline | grep smb /proc/mounts comes up empty |
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| 16:07.16 | karsten | adrenaline: That would indicate a problem. 'cat /proc/mounts' then. And paste, please. Third and final request, I've got things to do. |
| 16:07.29 | poncha | karsten, thats right, i want to make a tunnel... but i dont know (1) what port(s) i need on X server (tcp) , and (2) how i point x clients to an "non-default" ports ... i set DISPLAY but thats obviousely not enough here |
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| 16:07.51 | karsten | poncha: man ssh |
| 16:07.56 | poncha | reading up |
| 16:07.59 | maddash | karsten: funny. he told me he could nano 'em. |
| 16:08.02 | karsten | poncha: It's mostly automagick. Try it. If it fails, ask. |
| 16:08.13 | karsten | maddash: Yeah, something strange is going on here. |
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| 16:08.56 | maddash | karsten, he's probably parsing our advice on his own. lol. |
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| 16:08.56 | karsten | maddash: I'm suspecting ad-hoc SMB mounts via filebrowser, quitting, music client thinks the mounts are there, they're not. |
| 16:08.56 | poncha | karsten, ok .. i'll try automagic :) but there is a "manual" way to do it ? (by using simple tunnels and not forward-x-packets) ? :) |
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| 16:08.57 | Shadowdancer | try "ssh -v" if it fails... it usually says what's going wrong someplace in there. |
| 16:08.57 | karsten | poncha: 'ssh -X user@remotehost' |
| 16:09.04 | Bhavesh | if you have an xserver on a windows xp machine and you connect to a linux machine over the internet, which is passing through a router's portfw, can you still use Xapplications? |
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| 16:09.27 | poncha | Bhavesh, thats exactly what i'm doing now ;) |
| 16:09.29 | Bhavesh | i.e. winxp -> inet -> linksys ->portfw -> linux machine |
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| 16:09.30 | grendal_prime | hey guys |
| 16:09.34 | karsten | poncha: Local display is mapped remotely (offset by 10), $DISPLAY is automatically defined remotely. Launch an x client remotely , eg: 'xlogo'. Should display locally. |
| 16:09.35 | grendal_prime | hows things? |
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| 16:09.48 | Bhavesh | poncha: awesome!!! so i am not asking for impossible :) |
| 16:09.49 | grendal_prime | Hey i have to build a production server here in a couple of days. |
| 16:09.57 | karsten | grendal_prime: things are deprecated. Stuff preferred. |
| 16:09.58 | Bhavesh | poncha: which xserver are you using on windows xp? |
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| 16:10.13 | poncha | Bhavesh, read up karsten replies to my question ... and i'm using xming |
| 16:10.27 | karsten | !win me |
| 16:10.28 | dpkg | Congratulations, karsten! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 16:10.31 | grendal_prime | im wondering how far along on this etch to stable thing? |
| 16:10.32 | Bhavesh | that's what i downloaded!! :) |
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| 16:10.43 | maxxle | Hello! I have problems with rsync. I want to exclude one directory in my rsync-backup. Is it okay to write rsync --filter='- /test/blubb/' --filter='+ /test/blubb/test' |
| 16:10.51 | grendal_prime | i would much rather just build it etch than have to dist-upgrade later |
| 16:11.23 | poncha | em.. karsten, i'm using securecrt as ssh client, an it has "forward X11 packets" enabled , but when i'm on remote box, i dont see $DISPLAY set :(( |
| 16:11.42 | adrenaline | itchi, vlc works yeah |
| 16:11.48 | karsten | poncha: $DISPLAY _must_ be set locally _prior_ to initiating the session. |
| 16:11.51 | SlayerXP | grendal_prime: you can install straight to etch, use the advanced installer |
| 16:11.57 | itchi | adrenaline: :-p |
| 16:11.57 | karsten | poncha: Um. What OSs are involved locally/remotely? |
| 16:12.01 | Bhavesh | lemme try |
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| 16:12.05 | grendal_prime | maxxle: im pretty sure that the man page for rsync discusses that |
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| 16:12.09 | itchi | adrenaline: Now try fluxbox ;-) |
| 16:12.11 | Bhavesh | i am using putty to connect to my home pc over the internet |
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| 16:12.25 | poncha | karsten, local winxp (ssh client: securecrt, xserver: xming) , remote is debian |
| 16:12.27 | maxxle | grendal_prime: It does. But i'm not sure with the syntax |
| 16:12.48 | adrenaline | itchi it will only play one song at a time though |
| 16:12.56 | karsten | poncha: Um. You're going to have to RTFM locally to find out how your SSH client needs local X defined. |
| 16:13.07 | sybec | I'd like to have "sources for everything installed" .. "installed" to /usr/src/ or whatever. I also want the sources to be updated with every dist-upgrade (or whatever). Is this possible? |
| 16:13.07 | itchi | adrenaline: make a list ;-) |
| 16:13.16 | grendal_prime | i use some sort of script, but ummm i dont leave out any directories i just do the ones i want to backup |
| 16:13.25 | poncha | karsten, i am too lazy to reinstall the laptop which cam winxp-pro preinstalled from ibm ;) |
| 16:13.27 | adrenaline | vlc won't span the network |
| 16:13.31 | karsten | poncha: Ordinarially I'm dealing with the case of cmdline ssh under an extant X session. For windows, install Cygwin (xming is based on same) and use the cygwin ssh client. |
| 16:13.39 | karsten | poncha: Sucks to be you. |
| 16:13.41 | adrenaline | I have to right click and OPen with vlc |
| 16:13.58 | adrenaline | If I search through app it won't show the network |
| 16:13.59 | grendal_prime | SlayerXP: ya i know i can install it directly, im just wondering if there are any know obviouse reasons to just install etch as opposed to sarge. |
| 16:14.00 | maxxle | grendal_prime: I think I will play around on my own then. This manpage for rsync is something wired. |
| 16:14.02 | ahlfors | I've done a kernel recompile and dist-upgrade since I last ran the game UT2004, and now it runs very slowly. Any idea what could be causing this? Other intensive opengl apps are unaffected. |
| 16:14.03 | itchi | adrenaline: Make a playlist |
| 16:14.07 | poncha | karsten, i'm mostly using terminals and firefox daily so winxp is enough :P |
| 16:14.13 | adrenaline | where do I make the playlist? |
| 16:14.15 | grendal_prime | any glaring holes i need to worry about, like no security updates. |
| 16:14.27 | adrenaline | Vlc won't see my network |
| 16:14.34 | stoned | I am running Xming right now |
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| 16:14.40 | poncha | haha |
| 16:14.54 | karsten | poncha: Well, you're going to have to sort the X stuff on your own then. |
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| 16:15.01 | grendal_prime | potty mouth karsten ... |
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| 16:15.13 | grendal_prime | ...i like that... |
| 16:15.15 | karsten | grendal_prime: I resemble that remark. |
| 16:15.28 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 16:15.28 | adrenaline | therefore nothing to paste |
| 16:15.31 | stoned | on a local firewalled network, house lan, do I need to worrya bout security. I am using Xming + XDMCP. I can however use ssh X with putty, but I dunno. I like having my kdm session exported. Seems faster too. Any thoughts? |
| 16:15.37 | poncha | karsten, yeah, gathered that :) i guess in winbl0ws world X related stuff is not as automagic :)))))0 |
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| 16:15.48 | karsten | adrenaline: ls -l <directory w/ music files>; cat /proc/mounts; cat /etc/fstab; play <music file> 2>&1 |
| 16:15.54 | karsten | poncha: Bingo. |
| 16:16.05 | grendal_prime | stoned: nomachine? |
| 16:16.08 | karsten | poncha: W/ cygwin the drill's pretty much as under Linux |
| 16:16.09 | grendal_prime | damn fast |
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| 16:16.16 | stoned | nah |
| 16:16.20 | poncha | sure, it uses openssh :) |
| 16:16.24 | karsten | grendal_prime: Agreed. |
| 16:16.59 | grendal_prime | freenx, nomachine same thing...i use it all the time..just full screen it and forget that its an exported desktop |
| 16:17.16 | poncha | oh! karsten , is there a chance that i need to allow x packets by ssh-server as well? (not only request by client) |
| 16:17.25 | karsten | poncha: That helps. |
| 16:17.30 | poncha | :)) |
| 16:17.36 | chrismortimore | is there a way to install the newer nvidia drivers "The Debian Way" (i.e. using module-assistant), or should i just use the nvidia-installer? |
| 16:17.48 | grendal_prime | In fact, does anyone else find it a little creapy that freenx is as fast as it is? |
| 16:17.48 | jjazz | grendal_prime: I never full screen like that. Instead of running a desktop, I run a term window. Then I start the apps I need from the term window. It integrates really well with my local desktop. |
| 16:17.55 | poncha | damn. thats not the case. it's already enabled in sshd :( |
| 16:17.56 | karsten | poncha: again: ssh cmdline client offers you the '-v' (verbose) option to see this stuff happening. Also check local logs on the server. |
| 16:18.00 | jjazz | grendal_prime: I do. |
| 16:18.02 | stoned | grendal_prime, I can watch fullscren movies in xdmcp over network and its not choppy. Speed isn' what I'm after. Actually I'm not after anything. I am jus looking for thoughts on ssh -X vs. XDMCP |
| 16:18.03 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 16:18.04 | dpkg | For a guide to NVIDIA graphics cards drivers, see http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers or ask me about <nvidia one-liner> for a reminder if you've done it before. DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer (ask me about <nvidia-installer>). |
| 16:18.07 | ahlfors | chrismortimore, yeah the nvidia drivers are packaged by debian |
| 16:18.34 | poncha | sshd normally logs into syslog? |
| 16:18.42 | grendal_prime | jjazz: i do to but if i have to use a windows machine for any reason, i just install the freenx client into a linux box, (i have one set up just for this occation) |
| 16:18.58 | Shadowdancer | !nvidia-installer |
| 16:18.58 | dpkg | [nvidia-installer] a clever cross-platform way of installing nvidia's proprietary drivers, which works fine on systems with stupid package managers (i.e. not so good with Debian). more specifically, prone to dying if any X or kernel related packages are upgraded or removed. see <nvidia-graphics-drivers>, or <nvidia one-liner> |
| 16:19.04 | karsten | poncha: yes |
| 16:19.21 | chrismortimore | ahlfors: i only see version 1.0.8776. no chance of getting 1.0.9746? |
| 16:19.25 | jjazz | grendal_prime: Thankfully, I never have to look at win boxes except to maintain the one win laptop at home for my gf. |
| 16:19.30 | Bhavesh | i used putty to connect but somereason it doesn't set the DISPLAY enviroment correctly |
| 16:19.30 | poncha | only thing i see in syslog about my incoming connection is "Jan 11 17:12:05 srv7 sshd[21882]: Accepted password for poncha from X.X.X.X port 56023 ssh2" :( |
| 16:19.36 | ahlfors | chrismortimore, that's in experimental now |
| 16:20.02 | chrismortimore | cool, i'll take a goosey. cheers |
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| 16:20.06 | jjazz | grendal_prime: My boss runs xemacs on his home box and accesses it at work via freenx. I marvel at this. |
| 16:20.11 | grendal_prime | jazz i wont have to look at one much longer. if there was an l2tp client for linux that worked i would never have to look at one. |
| 16:20.12 | karsten | Bhavesh: i believe that's configurable |
| 16:20.13 | ahlfors | I'm using 9746 and it hasn't caused any problems that I didn't already have ;) Use at your own risk though |
| 16:20.17 | Shadowdancer | hmmm. experimental. |
| 16:20.17 | stoned | Bhavesh, export DISPPLAY=ip.ip.ip.ip:X |
| 16:20.19 | stoned | etc. |
| 16:20.33 | poncha | stoned, he's behind firewall :) |
| 16:20.37 | poncha | same as me |
| 16:20.42 | stoned | life just started sucking then eh |
| 16:20.45 | msmonkey | hi im looking for some good & easy mail server |
| 16:20.51 | Shadowdancer | I slapped the most recent installer on a Ubuntu dapper box, so it plays well with ancient software... |
| 16:20.52 | karmatronic | stoned,poncha what are you trying to do ? |
| 16:21.00 | stoned | I'm not trying to do anything |
| 16:21.05 | stoned | except get high |
| 16:21.10 | stoned | ... |
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| 16:21.40 | Bhavesh | stoned: but it's a bit complicated then that i am xp ws -> firewall -> router -> internet -> linksys router -> portfw -> linux machine |
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| 16:21.42 | poncha | karmatronic, i'm trying to start up x client onto xming x server running on my winxp lap while the only connection to the remote i have is ssh :) |
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| 16:21.50 | bigwig | hello |
| 16:21.51 | Shadowdancer | another day of successfully avoiding work has passed by. |
| 16:22.43 | itchi | bigwig: :-p |
| 16:22.44 | stoned | grandma wig |
| 16:22.44 | bigwig | i am using rsnapshot to do backups from a remote server |
| 16:22.44 | poncha | Bhavesh, as long as you have ssh session to the target it doesnt matter how many hops there were in the middle - the pipe already exists |
| 16:22.44 | Bhavesh | Shadowdancer: teach me how do you do that? :) |
| 16:22.45 | bigwig | i have 80-90% system CPU while doing the backup. why? |
| 16:22.45 | Bhavesh | poncha: in that case i just have to figure out how to make putty set the enviroment correction on the target machine.. |
| 16:22.45 | igli | hi all, just going to dl debian netinst and start an install- am i in the right channel to ask questions during the process? |
| 16:22.45 | php-me | What package contains the command line whois? All I find in aptitude search require curses. |
| 16:22.45 | Ronin | Bhavesh: stay on irc long enough it happens naturally |
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| 16:22.54 | stoned | bigwig, disk i/o takes cpu |
| 16:22.55 | poncha | Bhavesh, yeah, same as me trying to figure that task out with securecrt :) |
| 16:22.56 | Bhavesh | Ronin: that's true, mine is, irc,/yahoo combination |
| 16:23.04 | bigwig | stoned: 80-90%? |
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| 16:23.06 | stoned | bigwig, thats my guess |
| 16:23.12 | Bhavesh | poncha: i have not used that prog in a long while wish i could hlep though |
| 16:23.13 | stoned | bigwig, it does seem fairly high |
| 16:23.23 | msmonkey | exit |
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| 16:23.26 | adrenaline | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5056 |
| 16:23.35 | stoned | bigwig, have you tried to renice it, and see how fast it goes or how much it slows down |
| 16:23.48 | AI_coder | What is the term for software purchased with exclusive rights to sell licenses? |
| 16:23.59 | plb | so how many bugs left before etch is ready for release? |
| 16:24.02 | bigwig | renice to what? |
| 16:24.03 | php-me | What package contains the command line whois? All I find in aptitude search require curses. |
| 16:24.05 | stoned | copyright? per user/seat liscencing? |
| 16:24.08 | stoned | I dunno |
| 16:24.17 | stoned | Why are you talking about that in Gnu/Linux's Debian |
| 16:24.35 | poncha | is it possible to output only environment (exclude functions) in bash? : ) |
| 16:24.49 | poncha | i want all defined variables, without the completion and functions |
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| 16:24.52 | karsten | adrenaline: Mount that share permantently either at cmdline or by creating an /etc/fstab entry. |
| 16:24.53 | jelly | bigwig: rsnapshot (rsync really) has to read and checksum every changed file to find the differences. |
| 16:25.03 | php-me | !whois |
| 16:25.04 | dpkg | from memory, is is the country code for iceland |
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| 16:25.18 | adrenaline | karsten why do I have to do that in debian and I don't really know how to do that |
| 16:25.18 | karsten | adrenaline: Something's creating an on-demand mount. I suspect it's not persisting after you attempt to access music files in player. |
| 16:25.18 | bigwig | jelly: that's correct but i looked at the log file of rsnapshot |
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| 16:25.26 | stoned | apt-cache search whois |
| 16:25.36 | karsten | adrenaline: mount -t smbfs <remote share> <local mountpoint> |
| 16:25.37 | stoned | many clients |
| 16:25.41 | php-me | stoned: Shows only packages requiring curses. |
| 16:25.47 | bigwig | and it said that 'cp -al' is the command that takes 17 hours to complete (83 GB of data) |
| 16:25.51 | php-me | stoned: I just want the command line one. |
| 16:25.53 | stoned | php-me, "whois" is an X client |
| 16:25.55 | stoned | ahh |
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| 16:26.00 | jelly | bigwig: how many files? |
| 16:26.13 | stoned | er.. "xwhois" |
| 16:26.16 | bigwig | dunno |
| 16:26.19 | jelly | bigwig: and how often do they change? |
| 16:26.21 | bigwig | jelly: i count them |
| 16:26.28 | bigwig | they change often |
| 16:26.31 | karsten | adrenaline: ... as for why, you haven't really explained what you're doing elsewhere. Linux requires mounts for filesystems to be accessible. What directory is the first 'ls -l' done _from_? |
| 16:26.36 | adrenaline | karsten I am not sure what the local mountpoint is |
| 16:26.40 | stoned | php-me, apt-get install whois, its not curses based is it, its a simple cli tool |
| 16:26.52 | jelly | bigwig: df -i will show you number of used inodes, which is comparable to the number of files |
| 16:26.56 | php-me | stoned: I'll recheck. |
| 16:26.57 | karsten | adrenaline: Make one. Any directory, preferably one that's empty. Eg: /mnt/music or /net/music |
| 16:27.01 | adrenaline | the first one was on my file server the ls -l |
| 16:27.25 | karsten | adrenaline: ... your other systems are doing some on-demand mount _and_ making sure it persists. You can do tricks with an automounter (autofs) as well. |
| 16:27.30 | jelly | bigwig: you'll have to know your data and your backup goals to be able to select an optimal backup policy |
| 16:27.41 | karsten | adrenaline: No. You need to do that _locally_ when the share is mounted. |
| 16:28.02 | adrenaline | karsten, too fast my head si spinning |
| 16:28.12 | poncha | karsten, hmm.. did ssh -X poncha@remote from other debian box and i still dont have DISPLAY set |
| 16:28.21 | karsten | adrenaline: samba remaps both user and permissions, so what you see on the fileserver may not translate to what's seen locally at all. |
| 16:28.28 | karsten | poncha: Sucks to be you. |
| 16:28.32 | karsten | poncha: cygwin. Last call. |
| 16:28.42 | jelly | bigwig: in any case taking a md5sum, or whatever checksum rsync uses, over 80GB of files is going to take some time. |
| 16:28.43 | bigwig | jelly: that's ok. but how can i find out what takes so heavy load on the CPU? |
| 16:28.44 | karsten | adrenaline: I'll write slow so you can understand ;-) |
| 16:28.52 | poncha | karsten, why cygwin ?? from debian sarge it should have been ok no ? |
| 16:28.54 | jelly | bigwig: top? :-) |
| 16:28.57 | karsten | adrenaline: Meanwhile 1) my day is starting, I've got to split 2) save lastlog. |
| 16:28.59 | adrenaline | ok I a m still having issues ith the smbfs format |
| 16:29.06 | karsten | poncha: Um. I thought you were on windows. |
| 16:29.08 | poncha | karsten, it didnt set my env even from openssh client :( |
| 16:29.08 | bigwig | jelly: my problem is that system process takes 90% of the CPU |
| 16:29.17 | jfletcher | what's the bash command to get my external IP alone? (ie, strip the rest of the data away) |
| 16:29.18 | bigwig | jelly: 1274111 files |
| 16:29.21 | poncha | karsten, i have some debian boxes around :)) tried from one of them |
| 16:29.25 | jelly | bigwig: which system process? |
| 16:29.27 | karsten | adrenaline: http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/man/Samba-HOWTO-Collection/ |
| 16:29.37 | bigwig | i mean |
| 16:29.50 | poncha | karsten, what do i need to pay attention to when looking at verbose output ? |
| 16:30.00 | karsten | poncha: ssh -v (client side) and check system logs (server side). Remember to rehup / reload the server if making config changes. |
| 16:30.04 | bigwig | munin shows that when cp is running, everything's green ;-) |
| 16:30.07 | karsten | poncha: Relevant output ;-) |
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| 16:30.21 | poncha | karsten, not much of a relevant stuff that i can see :( |
| 16:30.56 | karsten | poncha: bump up the debugging level. Reload your server. |
| 16:31.03 | jelly | bigwig: sorry, I know not of this munin you speak of. Command line utilities are a must when diagnosing a real-time issue. |
| 16:31.06 | Bhavesh | ok i figured out why my xforwarding doesn't work |
| 16:31.06 | poncha | karsten, it has a bunch of lines detecting auth mechanism , then falls back to password - and after auth only two lines... debug1: channel 0: new [client-session] , debug1: Entering interactive session. |
| 16:31.14 | poncha | oh |
| 16:31.18 | poncha | ok, will do :) |
| 16:31.21 | jelly | bigwig: so use "top". |
| 16:31.26 | Bhavesh | my computer at home computer is setup NOT to forward Xtraffic |
| 16:31.35 | bigwig | so it shows user processes, namely cp |
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| 16:32.14 | jelly | bigwig: is that cp invoked by your rsnapshot backup script? |
| 16:32.46 | bigwig | jelly: yes |
| 16:32.50 | karsten | adrenaline: mount -t smbfs //servername/sharename /mountdirectory -o username=mywindowsusername,password=mywindowspassword |
| 16:32.56 | karsten | adrenaline: ... general form of samba mount cmdline. |
| 16:33.13 | karsten | adrenaline: //servername/sharename /mountdirectory smbfs username=windowsuserename,password=windowspassword 0 0 |
| 16:33.14 | bigwig | jelly: rsnapshot uses it for rotating the backups |
| 16:33.24 | karsten | adrenaline: ... is /etc/fstab format. http://www.justlinux.com/nhf/Filesystems/Mounting_smbfs_Shares_Permanently.html |
| 16:33.24 | Bhavesh | odd ->2007-01-11 11:32:22Remote debug message: No xauth program; |
| 16:33.25 | Bhavesh | cannot forward with spoofing. |
| 16:33.40 | karsten | poncha: Work? |
| 16:33.45 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 16:34.03 | poncha | hm |
| 16:34.07 | poncha | i cant reload it with debug |
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| 16:34.19 | poncha | its a remote box, in different country :) |
| 16:34.23 | karsten | poncha: No, but you can run the daemon in nondaemon mode. |
| 16:34.25 | karsten | poncha: Ah. |
| 16:34.33 | poncha | if smth goes wrong the box is offline :) |
| 16:34.36 | adrenaline | Thank karsten |
| 16:35.02 | poncha | i thought theres a way to conf it, but it can only use debug in interactive - so man says :( |
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| 16:35.26 | karmatronic | adrenaline: not sure but i guess you re using konqueror and maybe you miss peercast-handlers |
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| 16:35.47 | adrenaline | I also tried with nautilus |
| 16:36.04 | jelly | bigwig: well, you could try making it use rsync instead of cp -al, maybe it'll be nicer. |
| 16:36.29 | Rapp | i just installed a debian testing machine. i now wonder if there are headers for the running kernel available, as a package. or how i can generate those. make cloneconfig does not seem to be available on debian. |
| 16:36.50 | jelly | bigwig: but you probably should rethink your backup solution, maybe use something more conventional like full and incremental backups. |
| 16:36.51 | poncha | Rapp, apt-get install kernel-package |
| 16:37.00 | Rapp | poncha, and then? |
| 16:37.04 | karmatronic | poncha: at which poitn are you ? |
| 16:37.11 | adrenaline | 6090: session setup failed: ERRDOS - ERRnoaccess (Access denied.) |
| 16:37.11 | adrenaline | SMB connection failed |
| 16:37.20 | poncha | Rapp, and then build a kernel... |
| 16:37.37 | jelly | bigwig: 'cause doing a cp over a tree of million files is going to take a long time no matter what |
| 16:37.45 | karmatronic | poncha: trying to connect from an Xming server to your debian box,right ? |
| 16:37.47 | poncha | Rapp, or, you can apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 (you'll see choice) and it will use pre-built , by initrd |
| 16:37.47 | Rapp | poncha, hm, i don't want to. i just need the headers for the currently running debian kernel. can i get the config of that kernel? |
| 16:37.52 | chrismortimore | is there a way to see what packages i have installed from a particular repo? like the "Unofficial Multimedia Packages" repo? |
| 16:37.52 | poncha | ah |
| 16:38.02 | poncha | Rapp, apt-get install kernel-headers :) |
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| 16:38.31 | poncha | karmatronic, ssh session won't set DISPLAY :( *sigh* |
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| 16:38.37 | Rapp | poncha, i also did that. BUT the headers ahve the wrong version name (kernel has additional -3-686). that way some install script fails... |
| 16:38.40 | jelly | bigwig: optimizing the filesystem for a large number of files might help too. |
| 16:38.45 | PaSurf | can someone please tell me why my system does the debian install sooooo slow after having no problem with previous sarge installs? |
| 16:39.12 | poncha | Rapp, you can fetch specific ones by fetching kernel-headers-version |
| 16:39.24 | Rapp | poncha, thanks, i will try that |
| 16:39.27 | karmatronic | poncha: if it s n xming issue , you could try x server package from mochasoft |
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| 16:39.38 | quitte | PaSurf: which part of the install is slow? |
| 16:39.52 | poncha | karmatronic, nop, theres no $DISPLAY set on the remote box ( |
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| 16:40.20 | PaSurf | quitte: I am trying to install the i386 version of sarge. I get to the entering my IP address, the the system literally takes 32 seconds to respond to my key strokes. |
| 16:40.21 | Rapp | poncha, i only find linux-kernel-headers. do i need some special repository? |
| 16:40.28 | jelly | bigwig: eg. if you have large number of files in single directories, you'll really want to use ext3 dir_index option, or even some other fs (xfs maybe) |
| 16:40.30 | pablo | hi, is there any control panel for web host you recommend for debian |
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| 16:41.15 | Elive_user22 | need help with sybase any ideas whgat room to go to??? |
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| 16:41.57 | PaSurf | I have never had any problems with the install, and now it seems the installs are either installing fine to the end then (for amd64) failing, or using what I thought would work, the system install is sooooo slow, you cant bare to install having to wait for each key strock to verify whay you typed in was correct... |
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| 16:42.14 | karsten | Elive_user22: #cold-day-in-hell |
| 16:42.20 | poncha | Elive_user22, i'd try #hopeless (kidding) :) |
| 16:42.25 | quitte | PaSurf: you are installin sarge? |
| 16:42.27 | poncha | ;) |
| 16:42.30 | PaSurf | yes.. |
| 16:42.31 | karsten | Elive_user22: /msg chanserv list *pattern* in general |
| 16:42.37 | sepski | PaSurf, defunct dns resolver ? |
| 16:42.43 | quitte | PaSurf: did you add or change any hardware? |
| 16:42.45 | karmatronic | poncha: i just dont get what you are doing |
| 16:42.49 | tribbin | Does anybody experience problems with gmenu with a fresh etch install? (editing menu's does not work and not leaving messages on output) |
| 16:43.06 | PaSurf | same hardware |
| 16:43.17 | poncha | karmatronic, i want to start x client from a remote box onto my local machine using ssh tunnel |
| 16:43.18 | Elive_user22 | thanks |
| 16:43.23 | pablo | hi, is there any control panel for web host you recommend for debian |
| 16:43.46 | PaSurf | hardware is cool with i386, but amd64 release it does not like... I had a version of sarge that worked and installed fine, now it seems like such a chore... |
| 16:43.50 | karmatronic | poncha: xclock for instance? |
| 16:43.51 | poncha | karmatronic, but with forwardxpackets on , when i connect to that remote box, DISPLAY is not set so the client attempts local x .. |
| 16:43.58 | poncha | firefox for instance :) |
| 16:44.13 | quitte | PaSurf: so i386 install is fast, amd64 slow? |
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| 16:44.23 | karmatronic | poncha: and do you allow Xforwarding in sshd_config ? |
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| 16:44.34 | poncha | karmatronic, yep |
| 16:44.59 | itchi | Someone know how i can make a diff of a local file with a remote? |
| 16:45.00 | Rapp | poncha, solved it. debian stores the config in /boot, instead of /proc/config.gz. this way i can prepare my own header files |
| 16:45.01 | PaSurf | quitte: the amd64 install sometimes does the same thing, but at the end of the install gives me errors like unable to mount partition. |
| 16:45.04 | karmatronic | poncha: and netstat -an | grep 600 |
| 16:45.34 | karmatronic | poncha: netstat -an | grep LISTEN | grep 60 |
| 16:45.37 | PaSurf | quitte: I might be trying etch (debian-testing-i386-netinstall) |
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| 16:46.02 | PaSurf | It has been recommeded to me to use the rc1 of etch instead of the rc4 of sarge.... |
| 16:46.06 | poncha | karmatronic, are you talking about local box or remote ? |
| 16:46.11 | poncha | on remote there is nothing |
| 16:46.13 | karmatronic | remote one |
| 16:46.21 | poncha | no X running there |
| 16:46.34 | quitte | PaSurf: I agree. still it's a very weird problem |
| 16:46.38 | ||cw | anyone know what it means when I load a module for a NIC cad it says eth1 was loaded but ifconfig shows eth1_ifre and can configure either name? everythign says no such device |
| 16:46.41 | PaSurf | and I understand there is some amd64 support in the i386 build (but nothing solid) |
| 16:46.52 | ||cw | er, can't config |
| 16:47.05 | PaSurf | I just cant understand it.. Not sure if its a bug in the software? |
| 16:47.31 | karmatronic | poncha: but how do you connect to the remote box? |
| 16:47.40 | karmatronic | poncha: using putty ? |
| 16:47.47 | ||cw | another oddity, lo won't load, but eth0 is setup automaticaly as a loopback device, even with an empty interfaces file |
| 16:47.51 | PaSurf | quitte: basically the system is installing, but having to wait for the keystrokes to enter themselves is like watching water boil.... |
| 16:48.01 | karmatronic | poncha: cos Xming is just an xserver |
| 16:48.07 | quitte | PaSurf: maybe it's framebuffer related. but honestly it'S a mystery to me |
| 16:48.16 | poncha | karmatronic, from my specific laptop - using securecrt (and "Forward X11 Packets" option is enabled for this conn. ) , and i tried from other (debian) box by ssh -X user@host |
| 16:48.18 | karmatronic | poncha: so you neeed to tell your ssh client to do forwarding |
| 16:48.24 | PaSurf | I installed with fb=false.... |
| 16:48.32 | PaSurf | I think.... |
| 16:48.32 | poncha | in both cases no DISPLAY being set :( |
| 16:48.51 | PaSurf | and disabled dhcp |
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| 16:49.00 | PaSurf | Ah, this is crazy.... |
| 16:49.04 | karmatronic | poncha: it doesnt work when doing it from an other debian box? |
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| 16:49.12 | poncha | karmatronic, no :/ |
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| 16:49.19 | karmatronic | karmatronic: so it s a server issue |
| 16:49.35 | karmatronic | poncha: could you pastebin your sshd_config |
| 16:49.49 | poncha | actually, i just tried several combinations between three different debian boxes, and none of them set DISPLAY when i ssh in |
| 16:49.59 | poncha | karmatronic, yes, just a sec |
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| 16:50.54 | poncha | karmatronic, http://channels.debian.net/paste/5057 |
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| 16:51.46 | karmatronic | poncha: should set PermitRootLogin to no! |
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| 16:52.12 | karmatronic | poncha: is there anything running on port 6010? |
| 16:52.32 | poncha | karmatronic, theres nothing on grep 60 even |
| 16:52.36 | poncha | ;) |
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| 16:52.55 | poncha | karmatronic, i am not box owner.. not sure if he uses root to login or not, but i'll ask him to switch it off |
| 16:53.18 | PaSurf | So, where would I go to log a possible bug report on my issue with slow keyboard response during install? |
| 16:53.28 | blondie | !bts |
| 16:53.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 16:53.37 | poncha | karmatronic, [i have root on the box though, so i can alter configs] |
| 16:54.02 | karmatronic | poncha: the problem is the X11DisplayOffset 10 line |
| 16:54.07 | karmatronic | poncha: should be commented |
| 16:54.19 | Thmss | will beryl be on etch ? |
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| 16:55.06 | karmatronic | poncha: as a temporary workaround , you can manually set up $DISPLAY |
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| 16:55.26 | poncha | karmatronic, set to what ? |
| 16:55.58 | poncha | export DISPLAY=(?)? |
| 16:56.00 | poncha | :) |
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| 16:56.33 | poncha | wait a sec.. i uses tcp port 6000 ? |
| 16:56.47 | me_here | sorry |
| 16:56.51 | me_here | export DISPLAY=:0 |
| 16:56.52 | karmatronic | poncha: it s definitely the line X11DisplayOffset 10 |
| 16:57.22 | karmatronic | poncha: cos this line says , set $DISPLAY to be the port on which X is running plus 10 |
| 16:57.36 | karmatronic | poncha: but since your remote machine doesnt run X |
| 16:57.44 | poncha | ohhh |
| 16:57.48 | poncha | i get it |
| 16:57.50 | poncha | :) |
| 16:57.51 | karmatronic | there s no listening port for X then |
| 16:57.56 | poncha | commented, trying |
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| 16:58.37 | poncha | karmatronic, commented out, restarted sshd, still no DISPLAY :( |
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| 16:58.59 | Mooi | Hello, what would be the best application to generate charts? I want to have as much customisation as possible as well as a wide variety of chart/graph styles to be generated. Thanks |
| 16:59.02 | Bhavesh | i think my xforwarding will work now.. i did not have xath program on this box |
| 16:59.07 | karmatronic | poncha: the thing is i m not sure you can forward X from a machine that doesnt run X |
| 16:59.16 | karmatronic | poncha: ever did it ? |
| 16:59.19 | obstfliege | nabend! |
| 16:59.26 | jello | Mooi: gnuplot or octave |
| 16:59.31 | poncha | but..!! export DISPLAY=:0 --> now starting up firefox and it does not complain on missing display.. i guess i'll wait for window to appear :) |
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| 16:59.40 | poncha | no |
| 16:59.43 | poncha | :/ |
| 16:59.53 | karmatronic | poncha: as a work around do that |
| 17:00.02 | Mooi | jello: as in pie charts, bar charts, and others, right? |
| 17:00.09 | poncha | i'll try to setup local forwarding as a tunnel for port 6000 |
| 17:00.10 | karmatronic | poncha: export DISPLAY=the_ip_running_xming:0.0 |
| 17:00.15 | jello | Mooi: yeah, start with gnuplot |
| 17:00.16 | poncha | karmatronic, 6000 is the only port i need ? |
| 17:00.20 | Mooi | ok, thanks |
| 17:00.22 | Bhavesh | WOOHOOO |
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| 17:00.29 | Bhavesh | thanks guys for help |
| 17:00.44 | karmatronic | poncha: tunnelling could work right |
| 17:00.53 | stoned | Bhavesh, you got it working? |
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| 17:01.10 | karmatronic | dos the machine running xming have a public ip address ? |
| 17:01.11 | poncha | Bhavesh, what did you do last? :) |
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| 17:01.37 | poncha | karmatronic, no , it doesnt.. thats the whole problem :) otherwise i'd just open up the port :) |
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| 17:01.44 | Mooi | hm, jello, gnuplot is for plotting graphs, which i am not looking at |
| 17:02.06 | jello | poncha: if you're using ssh x-forwarding, you want DISPLAY=:10 |
| 17:02.06 | Mooi | what I simply am looking for is to create simple bar charts, pie charts and as many other type charts as possible? |
| 17:02.55 | poncha | jello, even if i have no X running on box itself ? |
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| 17:03.14 | jello | poncha: you need an x-server running on the ssh-client |
| 17:03.46 | poncha | jello, err... i dont want the server (remote box) to be running x server at all... why do i need it *there* ? |
| 17:03.48 | jello | poncha: for example, a windows box running cygwin-x and putty |
| 17:03.59 | poncha | i have xming on my win box |
| 17:04.01 | Mooi | poncha: you need to learn how the xorg works. look in wikipedia. x-server is to be in your ssh client and the x-client is the software that you want to run from a specific machine, such as firefox. firefox will use x-libs to connect to your machine |
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| 17:04.22 | poncha | Mooi, yeah right, i know.. |
| 17:04.26 | jello | poncha: xterm is an x-client it needs to connect to an x-server |
| 17:04.40 | karmatronic | Mooi: poncha knows |
| 17:04.41 | jello | poncha: what is xming? |
| 17:04.47 | poncha | yes. theres an x-server running on my local box |
| 17:04.53 | poncha | jallxming is x server |
| 17:04.54 | Mooi | karmatronic: i know now |
| 17:04.57 | poncha | err |
| 17:04.57 | Ronin | jello: xserver for windows |
| 17:04.59 | poncha | *jello |
| 17:05.02 | Bhavesh | poncha: two things, i had to make sure i enable Xforwarding in sshd_config, set putty to enable the Xforwarding and install xauth program on my linux machine |
| 17:05.22 | poncha | xauth.. that may be |
| 17:05.29 | karmatronic | yeah |
| 17:05.31 | poncha | Bhavesh, thanks |
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| 17:06.02 | poncha | i thought its an always-there-when-x-libs-installed thing :) |
| 17:06.33 | intruder | did anyone noticed centericq frequently segfaults ? |
| 17:06.36 | poncha | aha! after installing xauth, display i being set! :) |
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| 17:06.55 | Bhavesh | poncha: you are welcome |
| 17:07.04 | Bhavesh | glad i was able to help |
| 17:07.10 | rstanca | hi, I have a small question regarding routing, i want to do port forwarding from my debian router to a host in the LAN, and I want all the ports to be forwarded, will this work? iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -d 1.2.3.4 -m state --state NEW,ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j DNAT --to 5.6.7.8 |
| 17:08.47 | poncha | ok, now i have a lightweight graphical browser :) |
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| 17:09.56 | poncha | ok, thanks everyone for help! ;) |
| 17:10.17 | karmatronic | poncha: when you have time to waist please check if the X11DisplayOffset 10 has an influence |
| 17:10.41 | karmatronic | poncha: when not running an Xserver on remote host |
| 17:10.42 | poncha | karmatronic, no, it's ok with that on (i returned it and it still works) |
| 17:10.53 | karmatronic | poncha: ok sorry buddy |
| 17:12.50 | poncha | bb later, going home ;) thanks for help again |
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| 17:14.51 | KillerX | Hi, How can I remove X and everything that depends on it? |
| 17:15.25 | sepski | KillerX, if you remove x, everything that depends on x will automaticaly be removed |
| 17:15.52 | KillerX | sepski: OKay, then how do I remove X? apt-get remove xorg-server removed only one package for me :( |
| 17:16.14 | cydork | !remove x |
| 17:16.15 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 17:16.22 | cydork | KillerX: ^^ |
| 17:16.23 | KillerX | cydork: Thanks! :) |
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| 17:18.13 | rares000 | what does courier do that postfix doesn't? |
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| 17:18.21 | tuxedup | i have downloaded a file and and the the pgp signiture to check its integrity, how do i check the integrity of the file? |
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| 17:19.40 | Dark_Apostrophe | Hello. I'm trying to compile Beryl, but I'm getting this error: http://pastebin.ca/313187 . Can anyone help me out please? I asked in #beryl, but they don't know. I'm using Etch, and nvidia's binary blob. |
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| 17:24.00 | sybec | hello not ubuntu |
| 17:24.01 | Flimzy | It is possible to add devices to a Linux RAID5 to increase capacity... is it possible to remove a device from a RAID5 to decrease capacity? |
| 17:24.30 | maddash | lol 'not ubuntu' |
| 17:24.52 | sepski | Flimzy, not without breaking the filesystem on it. |
| 17:24.58 | spiralvoice | hi, I am using Debian Etch with package ssh-askpass, how to configure ssh-askpass not to show the X11 password window, but only in console windows, even from inside X11? |
| 17:25.01 | Flimzy | sepski: okay |
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| 17:25.23 | spiralvoice | I configure KDM to login automatically, but this process is disturb by the ssh-askpass window |
| 17:25.25 | sepski | Flimzy, so the answer would be no not in the way you want it.. :) |
| 17:25.29 | spiralvoice | s/configure/configured |
| 17:25.32 | sybec | maddash: :-/ it says so in the topic |
| 17:26.26 | nkuttler | sepski: hm, not that i have used it, but mdadm has a --grow option |
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| 17:29.06 | sepski | nkuttler, yay ! your right. this was news for me too. and i have not tried it either. but i would not try it without backups :) |
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| 17:30.05 | snowbird | i have no gui etch |
| 17:30.14 | sybec | good for you |
| 17:30.22 | snowbird | tried every thing now its 5oth hour and 4th reistall |
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| 17:30.44 | stoned | snowbird, what is the problem? |
| 17:30.47 | sybec | snowbird: did you try voodoo? |
| 17:31.00 | KaiSVK | hi all |
| 17:31.03 | snowbird | what |
| 17:31.06 | sybec | hello KaiSVK |
| 17:31.14 | KaiSVK | I would like to ask for help with printer setup |
| 17:31.16 | karmatronic | hello KaiSVK |
| 17:31.17 | stoned | you can install etch with/without the GUI installer, you'll still have etch. Why have you reinstalled 4 times? |
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| 17:31.23 | sybec | so you *haven't* tried everything |
| 17:31.31 | snowbird | i need x |
| 17:31.35 | snowbird | no x is pain |
| 17:31.41 | stoned | aptitude install xorg |
| 17:31.45 | sybec | snowbird: ...and as stoned asked.. what is the problem? |
| 17:31.50 | karmatronic | snowbird: you can use pornotube |
| 17:31.55 | stoned | !install x |
| 17:31.56 | dpkg | install xf4 is, like, apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 17:32.04 | sybec | either you don't have X installed.. or you don't know how to start it .. or you have problems starting it .. |
| 17:32.25 | joeds | I'm making no progress with my fonts issue. I've tried defoma-reconfigure defoma-app update xserver-xorg (It couldn't find the package) i've dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and still no desktop or toolbar fonts |
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| 17:32.41 | stoned | just install packages xorg and gnome or kde |
| 17:32.56 | stoned | apt-get install xorg kde or apt-get install xorg gnome |
| 17:33.00 | sybec | the evil desktop environments! |
| 17:33.01 | stoned | or whatever else you want |
| 17:33.04 | joeds | i've tried reinstalling gnome and xserver-xorg |
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| 17:33.44 | becks` | hi, is it save to delete /var/log/mysql/* ? i've got 3 files in there, mysql-bin.000027,000028,index |
| 17:33.44 | KaiSVK | I have two network printers on my network and debian "Printer" setup window is still locating this and automatically adding them to my printers. Problem is that these automatically detected and added printers are unable to print and are confusing users. When I add these printer manually via HP JetDirect they work just fine but when I try to remove the "CUPS printers" debian is still adding them again and again. |
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| 17:33.45 | sybec | becks`: of course! |
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| 17:33.50 | stoned | after it has been installed, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg and go through the options |
| 17:33.58 | stoned | prompts* |
| 17:34.05 | KaiSVK | I am using Debian Etch |
| 17:34.17 | joeds | done that |
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| 17:34.27 | becks` | ok, thanks sybec |
| 17:34.29 | stoned | joeds, so whats the problem then? |
| 17:34.53 | sybec | becks`: oh wait ! I've misread that !!! do NOT delete them or your system won't bood |
| 17:35.01 | sybec | nah, I'm just kidding |
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| 17:35.16 | stoned | joeds, you hopefully did startx? does it not start, does it crash? have you looked at the logs? WTF is the problem? |
| 17:35.28 | joeds | i don't have any fonts in my menus desktop toolbars and in gedit etc |
| 17:35.36 | joeds | it just shows squares |
| 17:35.43 | stoned | joeds, and you ARE using debian? |
| 17:35.44 | becks` | heheh.. too late ;-) |
| 17:35.53 | joeds | it starts ok i can see fonts inside apps |
| 17:35.58 | joeds | yes etch |
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| 17:36.28 | stoned | check your font paths maybe |
| 17:36.45 | KaiSVK | anyone can help with printers pls ? |
| 17:36.53 | joeds | that's what i've been trying to sort out. I'll keep at it. |
| 17:37.14 | stoned | how come I've never had these problems? |
| 17:37.19 | stoned | EVER |
| 17:37.35 | karmatronic | stoned: maybe luck ? |
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| 17:38.07 | joeds | i tried installing gtk+ from source under sarge and somewhere in the process it broke upgrading to etch didn't help |
| 17:38.21 | joeds | maybe i'll give up and do a clean install |
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| 17:39.56 | sybec | you could just install debian unstable, it is known to rule |
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| 17:40.12 | stoned | sybec, don't recommend unstable to someone who has trouble running testing |
| 17:40.33 | stoned | joeds, don't use sid unless you can fix it if it breaks |
| 17:40.36 | stoned | !sig faq |
| 17:40.40 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 17:40.41 | joeds | :) |
| 17:40.41 | dpkg | sid faq is probably http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
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| 17:41.25 | Bhavesh | brb lunch time |
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| 17:44.22 | threw | hi all ! |
| 17:45.36 | karmatronic | COMPUTER starts to freeze past a certain amount of time when running amule |
| 17:45.45 | karmatronic | anyone has an idea ? |
| 17:45.59 | sepski | karmatronic, dont run amule |
| 17:46.13 | karmatronic | sepski: amule is cool |
| 17:46.30 | threw | i have a littlme question please: if i have this file: "1 2 3 7 8 9\n4 5 6 10 11 12", how to break it into two file which would contains "1 2 3\n4 5 6" and "7 8 9\n10 11 12" please ? |
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| 17:46.35 | karmatronic | sepski: want me to buy porn...come on ! |
| 17:47.38 | Cholito | karmatronic: do you run amule from the cli? |
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| 17:49.22 | mikelo | i've just installed a tv card but my sound card is not working anymore!! |
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| 17:49.57 | solemnwarning | mikelo: dmesg | grep dsp |
| 17:50.02 | solemnwarning | Pastebin the output |
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| 17:51.14 | mikelo | solemnwarning: no output |
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| 17:51.29 | solemnwarning | mikelo: Try this: |
| 17:51.34 | solemnwarning | ln -sf /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 |
| 17:51.38 | evilbulgarian | hi, what is an easy way to generate passwords for standard apache auth |
| 17:51.38 | solemnwarning | That might fix sound |
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| 17:52.05 | karmatronic | mikelo: first check which device got your tv card and your sound cards... |
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| 17:53.09 | mikelo | karmatronic: here's my lspci |
| 17:53.14 | mikelo | karmatronic: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1184/ |
| 17:53.38 | sybec | I wasn't; I simply said he *could* do that |
| 17:54.25 | rares000 | i'm using virtualmin and had to move to a different IP, the IP in the virtual servers is not a field that can be changed how do I changed it without recreating everything |
| 17:54.38 | THC4k | hi, i have a debian server with apache2/php5 and i want to create zip archives with php, but the php package seems to come without the zip library required ... is there a php5 package with zlib ? |
| 17:54.39 | Flimzy | Is an initrd anything special, or just a .tgz of a root filesystem? |
| 17:55.02 | mikelo | solemnwarning: i already have a /dev/dsp2 |
| 17:55.38 | mikelo | karmatronic: i dont know how to check which devide my tv card is using |
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| 17:56.01 | sybec | THC4k: perhaps libphp-pclzip can help? |
| 17:56.16 | karmatronic | alsamixer -c 1 |
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| 17:56.30 | karmatronic | mikelo: no better |
| 17:56.32 | rares000 | also is it possible to use the virtual server apache module in a situation where all sites are stored within user's home dir |
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| 17:57.27 | karmatronic | mikelo: cat /proc/asound/cards |
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| 17:57.36 | karmatronic | mikelo: to check your cards |
| 17:57.43 | knoxy | I'm installing debian sarge on new workstations.. but the Ethernet is not found.. how can I do to setting up the network interfaces? |
| 17:58.17 | sepski | knoxy, load the correct kernel module for the chipset on the network card |
| 17:58.33 | pickcoder | knoxy: boot the installer in expert mode |
| 17:58.53 | knoxy | pickcoder sepski ok.. wait |
| 17:58.54 | sepski | knoxy, if the kernel you run dont have a sufuiciently recent version for that chipset you must either use a different nic card. or use a backported kernel |
| 17:59.00 | karmatronic | mikelo: you have a saa7134 module loaded for tou tv card |
| 17:59.08 | k31th | Courier or dovecot ? |
| 18:00.27 | mikelo | karmatronic: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1185/ |
| 18:00.39 | mikelo | karmatronic: it seems i have an irq11 conflict |
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| 18:01.06 | THC4k | sybec: no thats just another php class that builds on top of php's zlib extension ... basically i'd have to compile php --with-zlib ... can't some debian thingy do that for me? ^^ |
| 18:02.24 | maddash | have any of you successfully installed gtk-gnutella (>=0.96.1)? |
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| 18:02.57 | tester | is it possible to do this ? ls -al >> file1 >> file2 ? |
| 18:03.20 | sybec | tester: you could just try it |
| 18:04.21 | blondie | yeah... test it :P |
| 18:04.22 | jjazz | tester: Is your nick supposed to be ironic? |
| 18:04.23 | Thms | will beryl be on etch ? |
| 18:04.35 | blondie | Thms: no |
| 18:04.42 | Thms | blondie: why ? |
| 18:04.50 | mikelo | karmatronic: could that be the problem? |
| 18:04.52 | blondie | because etch is frozen... |
| 18:05.04 | Thms | blondie: why etch is frozen ? |
| 18:05.30 | sybec | it's supposed to be released soon |
| 18:05.31 | blondie | Thms: and beryl isn;t in debian at all |
| 18:05.46 | blondie | Thms: because it's soon to be released |
| 18:06.05 | Thms | etch will be sarge ? |
| 18:06.06 | blondie | what? |
| 18:06.11 | blondie | erm "no" |
| 18:06.18 | Thms | released what do you mean ? |
| 18:06.22 | sybec | s/be/replace |
| 18:06.23 | blondie | stable. |
| 18:06.38 | Thms | okay |
| 18:07.13 | mikelo | karmatronic: should i try to change the irq number from the bios? |
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| 18:09.36 | karmatronic | mikelo: no |
| 18:10.06 | mikelo | karmatronic: is there something obvious i am missing here? |
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| 18:10.19 | karmatronic | mikelo: the problem is that your kernel finds your tv card before your sound card |
| 18:10.34 | karmatronic | so it assignes it dev /dev/video0 |
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| 18:10.41 | mikelo | karmatronic: should it be the opposite? |
| 18:10.45 | karmatronic | but also /dev/dsp0 |
| 18:10.59 | karmatronic | well i run a similar problem |
| 18:11.07 | tahorg | is there a way to specify a user/pass in sources.list for http authentification ? |
| 18:11.09 | karmatronic | since i have a pci sound card |
| 18:11.19 | tahorg | deb http://user:pass@server/path ... ? |
| 18:11.20 | karmatronic | mikelo: and also an usb one |
| 18:11.29 | karmatronic | mikelo: try that |
| 18:11.37 | mikelo | how did u fix that? |
| 18:11.41 | cydork | tahorg: man apt.conf |
| 18:11.45 | tahorg | ok, that's in the manual, sorry for asking |
| 18:11.49 | karmatronic | mikelo: lsmod | grep snd |
| 18:11.53 | tahorg | cydork: that's in man sources.list |
| 18:12.00 | disposable | how long will sarge remain supported once etch is released? |
| 18:12.16 | karmatronic | mikelo: to find out which modules manage your two devices |
| 18:12.19 | Flash__ | supported? |
| 18:12.28 | amphi | maddash: "amphi, does your fn+f3 script (blanking the screen?) use `xset dpms force off`?", no ;) |
| 18:12.46 | mikelo | karmatronic: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1188/ |
| 18:13.03 | dendrite | disposable: One year, for security team. |
| 18:13.04 | cydork | tahorg: it's should be in apt.conf too :) |
| 18:13.08 | disposable | Flash__, as in 'getting updates from security.debian.org' |
| 18:13.17 | amphi | maddash: I use radeontool to switch the backlight off & on |
| 18:13.19 | disposable | dendrite, thank you |
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| 18:13.58 | pickcoder | it used to be more, didn't it? |
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| 18:14.11 | karmatronic | mikelo: ok snd_intel8x0 is the driver associated to your pci card |
| 18:14.48 | karmatronic | mikelo: snd_mpu401 is the second one you see in /proc/asound/cards |
| 18:14.49 | mikelo | karmatronic: should i change the order in which the module is loaded in /etc/modules ? |
| 18:15.07 | mikelo | karmatronic: right |
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| 18:15.08 | karmatronic | mikelo: first to be sure this is the problem |
| 18:15.13 | karmatronic | mikelo: do that |
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| 18:15.27 | karmatronic | mikelo: modprobe -r snd_intel8x0 |
| 18:15.41 | karmatronic | mikelo: modprobe -r saa7134 |
| 18:15.51 | karmatronic | modprobe -r snd_mpu401 |
| 18:15.55 | ||cw | you guys are probably gonna laugh at me, but I need make debian boot faster on a 486. I'm using the 386 kernel package, what kernel args exists that I can use? like turning off apci and stuff |
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| 18:16.02 | mikelo | should i do all? |
| 18:16.06 | karmatronic | mikelo: yep |
| 18:16.27 | tahorg | ||cw: on a 486 try an older kernel |
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| 18:16.43 | karmatronic | mikelo: you re just quitting the drivers so the associated file devices will leave too |
| 18:16.55 | karmatronic | mikelo: then load them in the order you need |
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| 18:17.08 | mike-e | hi |
| 18:17.10 | ||cw | hm, the things that seems slowest are like "setting initial keymap" and such |
| 18:17.22 | karmatronic | mikelo: basically modprobe snd_intel8x0 first |
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| 18:17.33 | mikelo | karmatronic: FATAL: Module saa7134 is in use. |
| 18:17.38 | karmatronic | mikelo: and then modprobe saa7134 |
| 18:17.40 | dendrite | ||cw: Be sure to turn off all unnecessary services. |
| 18:17.44 | pickcoder | ||cw: how much ram |
| 18:17.48 | k31th | Courier or dovecot ? |
| 18:17.56 | karmatronic | mikelo: you re watching tv |
| 18:17.56 | ||cw | 32, i have one simm slot |
| 18:17.59 | karmatronic | mikelo: ? |
| 18:18.09 | mikelo | karmatronic: i was but i turned it off :-) |
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| 18:18.24 | karmatronic | mikelo: modprobe -r saa7134_alsa first |
| 18:18.37 | karmatronic | mikelo: i have the same card ... |
| 18:18.41 | ||cw | dendrite: been there, got it booting using only 15Meg, but certain things just take forever |
| 18:18.59 | mikelo | karmatronic: FATAL: Module saa7134_alsa is in use. |
| 18:19.02 | dendrite | ||cw: What part takes forever? |
| 18:19.13 | karmatronic | mikelo: lsmod | grep saa7134 |
| 18:19.14 | mikelo | karmatronic: that tvtime program is great |
| 18:19.26 | ||cw | "setting initial keymap" and "starting kernel logger" |
| 18:19.31 | maddash | yay amphi's back! sort of, at least... |
| 18:19.35 | karmatronic | mikelo: i prefer xawtv |
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| 18:20.04 | karmatronic | mikelo: so ? |
| 18:20.09 | maddash | amphi: I've tried using the radeontool manually...`radeontool off` permanently kills my display until i blindly-type in `radeontool on` |
| 18:20.15 | mikelo | karmatronic: whats the name of your card? empire dvb-t? |
| 18:20.18 | creichen | Hi! Sorry for asking about non-free stuff, but I'm having some issues with skype: For some time now, it has refused to let me search for users or to accept new contacts (no window pops up). Anything wrong with Qt or somesuch? |
| 18:20.28 | mikelo | karmatronic: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1191/ |
| 18:20.30 | karmatronic | mikelo: dont remember wintv something .... |
| 18:21.23 | mikelo | karmatronic: mine is supposed to be digital... but i see the channels i see normally |
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| 18:22.13 | karmatronic | mikelo:try lsof /dev/vide0 to find out which application is using your tv card |
| 18:22.29 | poncha | argh.. would it be nice to have a program that would run gui on local box and all data stuff - on the remote ssh box.. |
| 18:22.33 | mikelo | karmatronic: i just ibought it i managed to install it in 2 minutes through a guide which made me modify my /etc/modules & the aliases |
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| 18:24.08 | mikelo | karmatronic: lsof /dev/video0 & lsof /dev/video show no output |
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| 18:24.28 | karmatronic | mikelo: dmesg | grep saa |
| 18:25.08 | poncha | firefox running on remote box with window on my local X runs gui ssooo slowww ;) |
| 18:25.32 | mikelo | karmatronic: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1192/ |
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| 18:28.17 | creichen | Skype: figured it out-- turns out that this only works when running locally. |
| 18:28.32 | poncha | is there a browser (non-console) that does less traffic on remote X? |
| 18:30.19 | blondie | poncha: I doubt it |
| 18:30.55 | poncha | eh |
| 18:31.05 | enouf | poncha: try links2, dillo, epiphany .. in that order |
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| 18:31.25 | snowbird | x back yippa |
| 18:31.27 | poncha | enouf, links is console with no mouse support right? :) |
| 18:31.35 | poncha | elinks atm actually |
| 18:31.36 | enouf | poncha: wrong |
| 18:31.40 | poncha | hm |
| 18:31.48 | poncha | checking :) |
| 18:31.51 | enouf | links2 -g == gui mode |
| 18:31.53 | snowbird | what irc runs from shell |
| 18:32.04 | enouf | irssi? |
| 18:32.09 | blondie | irssi++ |
| 18:32.11 | blondie | !irssi |
| 18:32.12 | dpkg | hmm... irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package |
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| 18:33.06 | blondie | !irssi |
| 18:33.07 | dpkg | methinks irssi is the best irc client ever, or found in the irssi-text package on sarge, or irssi on etch |
| 18:33.55 | enouf | nice =~ blondie |
| 18:34.00 | mikelo | karmatronic: could it have something to do with /etc/modprobe.d/aliases ? |
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| 18:34.37 | poncha | enouf, what does svgalib need to run? i get for "links2 -g -driver svgalib" : svgalib: Cannot get I/O permissions. |
| 18:34.39 | mikelo | karmatronic: do u suggest i reboot and retry that command? |
| 18:34.59 | enouf | no idea .. never hd the error |
| 18:36.21 | enouf | poncha: seems like you need to export $DISPLAY or ~/.XAUTHORITY or somethin .. there's a ~/.links2 here |
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| 18:36.56 | poncha | enouf, no, with -driver x it starts, but i am trying to check maybe i can run it normally in console with svgalib :) |
| 18:37.05 | enouf | heh |
| 18:37.06 | poncha | ~/.XAuthority exists |
| 18:37.39 | enouf | poncha: look at the vesa howtos |
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| 18:38.14 | poncha | ok thanks :) |
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| 18:43.45 | poncha | enouf, found answer to my question in svgalib faq... ;))) <quote>svgalib programs need to be run as root</quote> :) or be suid root ;) |
| 18:43.48 | karmatronic | mikelo: you re still there ? |
| 18:44.12 | mikelo | karmatronic: yup |
| 18:44.24 | enouf | poncha: yeah .. the IO permission was a dead giveaway :-) |
| 18:44.32 | mikelo | karmatronic: FATAL: Module saa7134 is in use. |
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| 18:45.11 | mikelo | karmatronic: i cant seem to what is using it |
| 18:45.19 | timtheli1n | hey, what is the best way to connect to a remote xsession? I added my ip to xhost. but I dont know what command to run |
| 18:45.25 | poncha | enouf, yeah, and the "coolest" thing about this svgalib is that it looks like it starts on a separate virtual terminal on the machine locally :) i started it as root and it said "[svgalib: allocated virtual console #7]" and launched into background :))))))) |
| 18:45.32 | mikelo | karmatronic: *seem to find out* |
| 18:45.38 | azeem | timtheli1n: ssh -X usually |
| 18:45.43 | azeem | then start an x client |
| 18:45.58 | enouf | poncha: glad it's doing what you want |
| 18:46.30 | timtheli1n | azeem: can I connect to an xsession that is already running? |
| 18:46.35 | poncha | enouf, not really, i will use x driver instead :))) i dont have physical access to the box :) |
| 18:46.41 | enouf | poncha: any speed increases discernable yet? |
| 18:46.41 | karmatronic | mikelo: what was your model or which modules were you taught to load when following your howto ? |
| 18:46.59 | mikelo | karmatronic: can i do a "modprobe -fr saa7134" ? |
| 18:47.06 | azeem | timtheli1n: I don't think so, but I'm not sure |
| 18:47.26 | karmatronic | mikelo: dont |
| 18:47.39 | poncha | enouf, not sure.. window opened up but still gray :) |
| 18:47.39 | mikelo | karmatronic: ok |
| 18:47.40 | timtheli1n | azeem ok, thanks |
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| 18:47.51 | karmatronic | mikelo: first you have to be sure which module you r tv card is using |
| 18:47.52 | poncha | oh |
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| 18:47.57 | poncha | it's the normal look :) |
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| 18:48.07 | enouf | poncha: click near where the File menu would usually appear .. it's on Autohide |
| 18:48.10 | mikelo | saa7134 |
| 18:48.19 | joeds | does anyone know how I restore xsystem defaults? |
| 18:48.20 | mikelo | karmatronic: i was told to load "saa7134" |
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| 18:48.36 | mikelo | karmatronic: and "bttv" |
| 18:48.45 | enouf | poncha: once you use it .. you'll see why it makes so much sense that way |
| 18:48.51 | poncha | enouf, yeah, that gui is definitely much faster :) |
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| 18:49.01 | enouf | poncha: indeed .. |
| 18:49.18 | karmatronic | so first , modprobe -r bttv |
| 18:49.24 | mikelo | karmatronic: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/1196/ |
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| 18:50.06 | mikelo | karmatronic: FATAL: Module saa7134 is in use. |
| 18:50.26 | mikelo | karmatronic: modprobe -r bttv went ok |
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| 18:51.05 | karmatronic | then do the same for saa7134 |
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| 18:52.53 | mikelo | karmatronic: FATAL: Module saa7134 is in use. |
| 18:53.05 | karmatronic | first modprobe -r saa7134_alsa |
| 18:53.46 | mikelo | karmatronic: FATAL: Module saa7134_alsa is in use. |
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| 18:55.28 | timtheli1n | azeem: ssh -X ip@passwd RET startx started x on the remote sysdem |
| 18:55.37 | mikelo | karmatronic: some processs seems to be using this module |
| 18:55.57 | azeem | timtheli1n: run a x client, not a server |
| 18:55.58 | azeem | like xterm |
| 18:57.03 | timtheli1n | azeem so I cant have a wm remotly? |
| 18:57.17 | azeem | timtheli1n: don't you have one local already? |
| 18:57.33 | timtheli1n | azeem should I be soing this in x then? |
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| 18:57.39 | azeem | timtheli1n: I'm not quite sure what you're trying to achieve |
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| 18:58.01 | azeem | timtheli1n: if you want to display remote X apps locally, you need an xserver running, yes |
| 18:58.32 | timtheli1n | azeem, I was tryrng to get something like vnc exept usable speed |
| 18:58.49 | rgsteele | Hm, riddle me this. I've got a Debian server at home, which is behind a Netgear router. I need to bring up the router's web interface (from a remote site), to edit some port forwarding rules on it. I'm trying this: ssh -R 8888:192.168.1.1:80 <myserver>, but when I direct my web browser to localhost:8888, I just get "Unable to connect". Any ideas? |
| 18:59.01 | jjazz | timtheli1n: You want freenx |
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| 18:59.11 | rgsteele | timtheli1n: I use TightVNC |
| 18:59.17 | rgsteele | and tunnel all my traffic over ssh |
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| 18:59.58 | jjazz | rgsteele: ssh to the box and from that box use links to get to 192.168.1.1 |
| 19:00.12 | karmatronic | rgsteele: ssh -L |
| 19:00.22 | rgsteele | karmatronic: Yeah, I just noticed I had that going the wrong direction |
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| 19:01.39 | timtheli1n | jjazz freenx ait in the reopos |
| 19:01.50 | corp | is there an easy way to get a subversion 1.4.2 debian package with ssl support compiled in? |
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| 19:03.22 | jjazz | timtheli1n: nxserver is the package name |
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| 19:04.13 | jjazz | timtheli1n: And you'll want nxclient, too |
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| 19:08.25 | amphi | maddash: well, yeah - no problem if you bind it to an acpi event |
| 19:08.55 | maddash | amphi: but it doesn't unblank the screen when you move the mouse or tap the kbd. |
| 19:09.34 | amphi | maddash: no, Fn-F3 is a toggle for it |
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| 19:10.59 | Guerin | grrr, computer I bought (used) yesterday is throwing i/o errors |
| 19:11.00 | maddash | amphi, oh, so your machine doesn't unblank from mouse/kbd input? |
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| 19:12.03 | amphi | maddash: no, I need to use Fn-F3 |
| 19:12.53 | amphi | maddash: the acpi touch's/rm's a file in /tmp so the script knows whether to on or off the light |
| 19:13.04 | amphi | maddash: *acpi script |
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| 19:13.43 | maddash | amphi: bah. so you don't have my problem. |
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| 19:15.40 | poncha | enouf, i found an even better solution ;) elinks on terminal obeys mouse and is frame capable... and very fast :) btw links2 had some problems with cookies i guess... a site i'm trying to download from couldnt work with it.. |
| 19:15.42 | tuxedup | I am buying an acer aspire 500 series notebook and will have debian installed, the vius controls e.g. screen controls (position, brightness), volume are all funtions keys on F1,2,3 etc and up down keys, will these work or not? |
| 19:15.45 | enouf | hginx is there |
| 19:15.49 | enouf | erm nginx |
| 19:16.33 | enouf | poncha: never had an issue with cookies on links2 |
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| 19:16.52 | Guerin | tuxedup: they're usually acpi controls, and tend to work (on thinkpads, etc) |
| 19:17.07 | poncha | enouf, they have some antileech which kept throwing me back to main page and with elinks all fine |
| 19:17.42 | tuxedup | Guerin: should these work straight after install, or will I have to manually mess with the acpi settings? |
| 19:17.48 | AdamFz | Howdy. I've just installed Sarge on my old laptop, but when I've added the 'unstable' repository into synaptic (to get moodin), it wants me to remove a lot of seemingly important stuff. Is that safe/normal ?? |
| 19:17.59 | Guerin | tuxedup: the only way to know for sure is to take a livecd into teh shop and/or check linux-laptop.net |
| 19:18.19 | Guerin | AdamFz: never mix distributions |
| 19:18.29 | Guerin | AdamFz: you're seeing what happens when you do. |
| 19:18.38 | AdamFz | Thanks. Common sense said stop. ;) |
| 19:18.39 | Guerin | AdamFz: /msg dpkg backport |
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| 19:18.54 | Guerin | AdamFz: all too often, people don't. And then the whining starts ... |
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| 19:19.19 | AdamFz | lol. I'm normally a Kubuntu person, but had to go 'up the chain' to get Debian for the net install (no cd-boot on this machine) |
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| 19:20.14 | rahul | Guerin: that's disgusting |
| 19:20.27 | rahul | why not use knoppix, ffs :P |
| 19:20.32 | Guerin | rahul: one uses what one has available |
| 19:20.46 | rahul | I'll use you because you're available |
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| 19:21.34 | rares000 | what does courier do that postfix doesn't and do i need xim if i have postfix and courier installed |
| 19:21.39 | AdamFz | backports... interesting. Thanks Guerin ! |
| 19:21.58 | rahul | rares000: you should only have one MTA installed |
| 19:22.01 | Guerin | rahul: courier has a mta, but its best known for its pop and imap daemons, which postfix doesn't do. |
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| 19:22.05 | rahul | rares000: are you talking about courier IMAP? |
| 19:22.19 | rahul | Guerin: yo mama. |
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| 19:22.32 | Joshua__ | het |
| 19:22.38 | Guerin | rahul: no, that was definitely YO mama. |
| 19:23.22 | rahul | Guerin: that's what yo mama said last night. |
| 19:23.27 | rahul | whatever that means :P |
| 19:23.31 | Guerin | ... |
| 19:23.53 | rahul | ::: |
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| 19:24.44 | rahul | holy EXAS |
| 19:25.41 | rahul | hmm, wait... if the s&p is gonna start dropping... should I be buying a small biotech... |
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| 19:27.11 | rahul | oh well. I did it. bought 500 more. |
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| 19:27.18 | Guerin | mm, does etch rc1 d-i fail nowadays? |
| 19:27.30 | Guerin | are people all using the dailies? |
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| 19:28.12 | intruder | etch is not daily, its not frozen |
| 19:28.34 | intruder | frozen means almost stable |
| 19:28.38 | Guerin | try one of these daily built images which |
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| 19:28.44 | Guerin | from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 19:28.44 | intruder | sorry, it is frozen |
| 19:28.56 | Guerin | i know etch isn't frozen; that doesn't pertain to my question |
| 19:29.12 | Guerin | oh, it is frozen? since when? |
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| 19:29.23 | Cholito | how can I see which package is blocking my soundcard? |
| 19:29.25 | intruder | a couple of weeks i guess |
| 19:29.39 | Guerin | intruder: not hard-freeze |
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| 19:29.41 | rahul | a package blocking your soundcard? |
| 19:30.10 | Cholito | program, software |
| 19:30.11 | rahul | Cholito: um, look inside the computer? |
| 19:30.11 | Guerin | but in any case, none of this is relevant to my question which is `does etch rc1 d-i work?' |
| 19:30.11 | rahul | how can software block your hardware? |
| 19:30.11 | intruder | Guerin: i didnt know there was many degrees of freezness |
| 19:30.24 | Cholito | rahul: no, if I do, I'll wake uo my cat |
| 19:30.27 | Guerin | bercause it failed to download a bunch of packages for me last night; though it doesn't give sufficient error information as to why |
| 19:30.28 | intruder | Guerin: i heard it works like a stable |
| 19:30.34 | rahul | intruder: sure there is. latent heat of transition and all |
| 19:30.44 | cureless | Guerin: I've used rc1 no problem multiple times |
| 19:30.46 | Guerin | intruder: i'm not interested in hearsay, i'm interested in experience. |
| 19:30.47 | intruder | rahul: im talking about software :P |
| 19:30.49 | Cholito | rahul: not soundcard, but sound system |
| 19:30.50 | rahul | Cholito: what does that even mean? |
| 19:30.51 | Guerin | cureless: recently? |
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| 19:31.01 | Cholito | rahul: it was a joke... |
| 19:31.01 | rahul | Cholito: why would it be blocked? |
| 19:31.04 | cureless | Guerin: did rc1 change? |
| 19:31.15 | cureless | Guerin: or you mean names changed... maybe |
| 19:31.20 | rahul | jokes have to have some semantic relevance to the real world :P |
| 19:31.22 | Guerin | cureless: no, but the package repository may have. |
| 19:31.24 | cureless | Guerin: last time was about... 3 weeks ago I guess. |
| 19:31.29 | Guerin | mm, ok. |
| 19:31.32 | Cholito | rahul: no idea, I'm trying to play a song with xmms, but it says it might be blocked... |
| 19:31.42 | rahul | Cholito: which sound driver are you using? |
| 19:31.51 | rahul | Cholito: and are you using one of those sound daemon things? |
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| 19:32.12 | a-atwood | actually, couple lvls of freeze. 8) |
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| 19:32.20 | sybec | !gentoo |
| 19:32.20 | dpkg | gentoo is, like, a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 19:33.01 | sybec | !greenhouse |
| 19:33.01 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 19:33.10 | Cholito | rahul: which daemon? |
| 19:33.14 | sybec | !gentoobie |
| 19:33.23 | jjazz | Cholito: lsod | grep /dev/snd might do it |
| 19:33.30 | jjazz | Cholito: or lsof | grep alsa |
| 19:33.52 | JohnGH | Is there a tool for listing the install footprint (size on disk) of the individual packages you have installed (something I might use to find which larger packages I could remove to free up some disk space) ? |
| 19:33.55 | jfletcher | I don't like to be associated with hippies. |
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| 19:34.22 | JohnGH | jfletcher: get a haircut and stop living off lentils and mung beans then! |
| 19:34.24 | rahul | Cholito: I dunno, esd or whatever |
| 19:34.27 | cureless | JohnGH: doesn't aptitude show that? |
| 19:34.34 | teledyn | JohnDoh: apt-cache show <package> |
| 19:34.34 | Cholito | !paste |
| 19:34.34 | dpkg | from memory, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 19:34.45 | Cholito | thanks dpkg |
| 19:34.46 | dpkg | no worries, Cholito |
| 19:34.48 | jfletcher | JohnGH: I razor my head every morning ;) |
| 19:34.54 | snowbird | dpkg i got x long hard job |
| 19:35.05 | jjazz | jfletcher: How do you make sure you don't miss any spots/ |
| 19:35.06 | JohnGH | cureless: Does it? OK, thanks - I normally just use apt-get :) |
| 19:35.10 | cureless | jfletcher: us evolved beings are born bald by nature |
| 19:35.12 | mechtn | i am having troubles with parallelknoppix which i think is debian based.. can anyone here help me? |
| 19:35.27 | jjazz | mechtn: #knoppix |
| 19:35.38 | Cholito | jjazz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5058 |
| 19:35.39 | jfletcher | cureless: damnit. |
| 19:35.39 | mechtn | no one has talked in a week there |
| 19:35.41 | JohnGH | mechtn: we can help you find the right channel to ask in :) |
| 19:35.45 | cureless | JohnGH: I assume the curses part can give you that, maybe on the list maybe on the package info |
| 19:35.56 | JohnGH | cureless: thank you :) |
| 19:36.09 | cureless | JohnGH: go check it out, I'm not really sure |
| 19:36.17 | JohnGH | cureless: will do |
| 19:36.26 | Cholito | jjazz: that could be a flashplayer problem? |
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| 19:36.54 | jjazz | Cholito: it could. What about lsof | grep /dev/snd |
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| 19:37.12 | rahul | jjazz: oh, just got food from that new gigi cafe. it looks decent, if slightly expensive |
| 19:37.28 | Guerin | wtf, you know each other in meatspace? |
| 19:37.33 | traxx | hi, anybody know of a utility to automatically kill logins after a period of idle time? |
| 19:37.38 | jjazz | Guerin: I work in his neighborhood. |
| 19:37.45 | ofer0 | Is xinetd implementing a CGI? |
| 19:37.55 | rahul | I'll show you meat |
| 19:39.01 | rahul | ofer0: I wouldn't use it for that |
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| 19:39.04 | Cholito | jjazz: http://channels.debian.net/paste/5059 |
| 19:39.09 | rahul | ofer0: well, it wouldn't make sense... |
| 19:39.09 | jjazz | traxx: I suppose a cron job could call a script to parse the output from who and kill based on that. |
| 19:39.39 | rahul | traxx: there's a package that will do this hmm |
| 19:39.47 | rahul | idled? |
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| 19:39.55 | eisen | some csh has a autologout feature iirc. |
| 19:40.09 | jjazz | Cholito: It's hard to say, but all those items mentioned in the two pastes are candidates. Try closing firefox killall gstreamer and see if xmms opens up. |
| 19:40.15 | tester | how can i show the total disk space that is available and that is used? in one commando? |
| 19:40.22 | jjazz | tester: df -h |
| 19:40.55 | traxx | rahul: apt-cache search idled comes up with nothing |
| 19:41.04 | tester | jjaz: that prints every disk, i want the total on one line. so that i can make a script of it.. |
| 19:41.07 | rahul | traxx: yeah... :( |
| 19:41.09 | eisen | export TMOUT=$seconds |
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| 19:41.25 | eisen | in .profile or such will do it in bash it seems |
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| 19:41.37 | Flimzy | How do I configure initramfs-tools to put an arbitrary file in the created image? |
| 19:41.38 | traxx | i seem to remember another utility, but the name has slipped me :( |
| 19:41.38 | rahul | ooo good thing I bought that EXAS. |
| 19:42.22 | eisen | traxx: ^^ |
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| 19:42.34 | traxx | eisen: i would need all processes to be killed as well, so if screen is running that wouldn't help ;) |
| 19:42.53 | ofer0 | rahul, what do you mean? |
| 19:43.01 | eisen | I think a disconnect would kill all processes |
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| 19:43.15 | eisen | but I'm not sure |
| 19:43.26 | JohnGH | cureless: It looks like there's an %I format string to display installed size in the list... I'm not sure how to use it though... I presume it goes in ~/.aptitude/config |
| 19:43.37 | rahul | ofer0: CGI has nothing to do with superservers |
| 19:43.38 | eisen | yeah, screen is indeed a problem |
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| 19:43.46 | Guerin | what what? |
| 19:43.46 | rahul | ofer0: it has to go through a web server first |
| 19:43.57 | Guerin | you want to know which packages are the biggestest? |
| 19:44.06 | E-bola3 | Anybody who have had problems with samba recently? |
| 19:44.11 | E-bola3 | after upgrading my kernel it stopped working |
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| 19:44.18 | E-bola3 | the init script only starts nmbd not smbd |
| 19:44.53 | JohnGH | traxx: it's very hard to figure out what defines idle... because it's possible for a terminal to still be in use but not being updated, but I find killall is useful you know what user or process name you want to take out... |
| 19:45.46 | rahul | traxx: it's also possible for output to be coming out but the user is just watching |
| 19:45.55 | rahul | or there's lots of output and the user isn't watching :) |
| 19:46.05 | JohnGH | traxx: killall -u USER takes out that particular user, but that's not much use if your user has other logins running that you don't want to nuke. |
| 19:46.07 | jjazz | E-bola3: Checking the logs might give some insight. |
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| 19:46.42 | ekix | people, http://www.pledgebank.com/nouveaudriver |
| 19:46.48 | JohnGH | traxx: you can do something like ps -ft(last bit of terminal name) like ps -ftpts1 and use that to list all processes on that terminal |
| 19:47.03 | traxx | JohnGH: i need it to happen automatically |
| 19:47.05 | ofer0 | rahul, wikipedia: "Common Gateway Interface (CGI) is a standard protocol for interfacing external application software with an information server, commonly a web server". It doesn't mean it has to be a web server, it can be any server |
| 19:47.25 | traxx | JohnGH: otherwise i could just 'slay $USER' |
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| 19:47.43 | rahul | ofer0: and how will anyone access the data through a non-web-server? |
| 19:48.21 | rahul | ofer0: you need a way to specify the parameters and you need to use http or http-compatible headers |
| 19:48.23 | Cholito | jjazz: I had no idea, but I had to reboot... |
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| 19:48.40 | CharminTheMoose | baloons! |
| 19:48.45 | CharminTheMoose | baloons of joy! |
| 19:48.58 | CharminTheMoose | is etch still WIR? |
| 19:49.06 | rahul | what's up, you crazy camel? |
| 19:49.09 | jjazz | Cholito: Whatever works for you. |
| 19:49.19 | JohnGH | traxx: Also, if you want to kill a login process and it's children nicely, you should use kill -HUP on the processes, not just kill, and not kill -9 unless you end up with processes that are stuck and won't go... even then they can go zombie sometimes and you can end up with procs that won't go till you bounce the box |
| 19:49.25 | JohnGH | its |
| 19:49.50 | JohnGH | kill -HUP sends the hangup signal to the child processes so they know it's time to go to bed |
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| 19:50.46 | fireba11 | CharminTheMoose: yes .. but since they found the kernel bug today it should be faster now |
| 19:50.47 | JohnGH | tester was a good one... ask a question then piss off before anyone has a chance to answer it! |
| 19:50.55 | ofer0 | rahul, Does CGI requires HTTP? |
| 19:51.01 | ofer0 | require* |
| 19:51.05 | JohnGH | *GULP* someone might see me lurking in #debian ! |
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| 19:51.18 | rahul | ofer0: read what I said again |
| 19:51.25 | JohnGH | ofer: huh? |
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| 19:52.33 | JohnGH | ofer: read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Gateway_Interface - it *ought* to be apparent from that. |
| 19:52.55 | jelly-home | !relays |
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| 19:52.59 | jelly-home | urm |
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| 19:55.46 | FuelB | anyone have a guide to how to install debian on another harddrive. I already have a bootable debian install on one harddrive on a computer with no other bootable media and I need to install another debian on another disk... |
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| 19:58.48 | JohnGH | FuelB: Good question... when I've tried to do it in the past it's usually a bit of a bitch. |
| 19:59.37 | JohnGH | FuelB: There *did* use to be a hard-disk install method... but I think it stopped working in Woody or something - it's been a few years since I've checked - it could well be working again. |
| 19:59.43 | FuelB | I have done it once before a couple years ago but I don't remeber exactly what I did.. I think I mounted an image and managed to start the installer somehow... |
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| 20:00.31 | JohnGH | FuelB: Do you have any other free disk space on the machine that you can use that isn't going to be installed on? (e.g. a partition you want to use as swap space once you've installed?) |
| 20:00.44 | FuelB | yep |
| 20:01.58 | g333k_work | hi, I'm having a problem with perl and locales, this is the output http://pastebin.ca/313371 any clue please? |
| 20:02.02 | JohnGH | Let me have a quick squiz to see where I documented it... I think I once made a DOS partition, installed FreeDOS on it, made it bootable and added it to grub.... then booted off that and ran an install with loadlin |
| 20:02.06 | JohnGH | does that make sense? |
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| 20:03.23 | FuelB | hm yeah I guess that might be one option |
| 20:03.46 | intruder | i would suggest just creating a boot floppy instead |
| 20:03.48 | JohnGH | g333k_work: have you googled for that? |
| 20:04.00 | JohnGH | intruder: he said it had no other bootable media |
| 20:04.09 | g333k_work | JohnDoh, yepm but I cant solve it |
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| 20:04.28 | intruder | no other than ? |
| 20:04.34 | JohnGH | g333* do you have the locales you need installed? |
| 20:04.36 | g333k_work | JohnGH, Yep but I couldnt solve it |
| 20:04.44 | g333k_work | JohnGH, Yes I have |
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| 20:05.16 | FuelB | intruder: a harddrive with an existing debian install.. but I need to install another debian on another harddrive |
| 20:05.29 | Guerin | g333k_work: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:05.31 | JohnGH | g333k_work: have you read the page at sunsite.ualberta.ca ? |
| 20:05.42 | intruder | FuelB: you could just copy the content of your harddrive |
| 20:05.44 | Guerin | read? what's that? |
| 20:05.48 | jjazz | FuelB: what about copying your existing install to the new drive? |
| 20:06.02 | Guerin | you mean ... actually try to comprehend written matter instead of whining on irc? |
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| 20:06.30 | JohnGH | jjazz: I politely refrained from suggesting that - that sucks - what happens if you want to make a new clean box and can't boot of anything but the hard disk? |
| 20:06.33 | g333k_work | Guerin, I've already did that |
| 20:06.44 | JohnGH | Guerin: good point... |
| 20:06.44 | Guerin | g333k_work: you didn't did it properly |
| 20:07.06 | g333k_work | Guerin, what dop you mean? |
| 20:07.07 | jjazz | JohnGH: Put the drive in a box with a cd drive? |
| 20:07.20 | Guerin | g333k_work: you didn't build the correcft locales. |
| 20:07.30 | FuelB | well... I was to install stable and I have unstable installed.. I don't suppose there is a way to downgrade from unstable to stable? |
| 20:07.31 | g333k_work | JohnGH, well give me the full address to read it |
| 20:07.37 | JohnGH | jjazz: works great if you can do that, but what if you don't have that |
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| 20:07.44 | g333k_work | Guerin, how am I supposed to do that? |
| 20:07.45 | Braindead | !tell FuelB about downgrade |
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| 20:07.50 | Guerin | g333k_work: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 20:08.01 | JohnGH | g333k_work: google: Falling back to the standard locale ("C") you lazy shit |
| 20:08.11 | Masty | how to install apt ? friends.. |
| 20:08.17 | sybec | you lazy piece of shit mother fucker |
| 20:08.23 | jjazz | JohnGH: I don't know. Regardless, if it solves the problem here, I say go for it. |
| 20:08.25 | Guerin | JohnGH: being able to boot from more than one device is simply a fact of life. If you can't find some way to make it so. |
| 20:08.27 | JohnGH | sybec++ |
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| 20:08.42 | bigwig | re |
| 20:08.54 | Guerin | s/can't/can't,/ |
| 20:09.04 | bigwig | i have started a process in ssh and want to logout but leave the process running |
| 20:09.04 | azeem | sybec: thanks for checking your language |
| 20:09.08 | bigwig | is it possible? |
| 20:09.16 | jjazz | bigwig: Did you start it in screen? |
| 20:09.16 | Guerin | bigwig: use nohup or screen |
| 20:09.30 | g333k_work | JohnGH, Hey Fuker! dont ever talk me in that way ok? |
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| 20:09.33 | sybec | sure thing mitzi |
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| 20:09.42 | bkw | no symon debian package? :( |
| 20:09.43 | g333k_work | JohnGH, Keep the respect |
| 20:09.44 | bigwig | no i did not start it in screen |
| 20:09.45 | Pc_Dark | How do I get IRC IDentD to work |
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| 20:09.49 | bigwig | what to do now |
| 20:09.51 | Pc_Dark | apt-get install sidentd wouldn't work |
| 20:10.01 | Pc_Dark | it installed, but I still get a no-identD response error |
| 20:10.10 | Masty | some one can tell me how to install apt? |
| 20:10.13 | azeem | Pc_Dark: maybe you need to configure it somehow first |
| 20:10.17 | Guerin | bigwig: kill it and start it in screen |
| 20:10.22 | azeem | Masty: it should be installed by default |
| 20:10.24 | karsten | Masty: Um. On what OS? |
| 20:10.25 | bigwig | is it possible to make it run in screen |
| 20:10.25 | intruder | Pc_Dark: i guess you got a router of some firewall |
| 20:10.27 | JohnGH | Guerin: what's say you have a PC with 1 hard disk and no CD drives, no floppy drives like my old Sony Vaio PCG Z505S laptop... 2.5" drive, and back 4 years ago it was going to cost me a bomb to buy a Vaio external CD drive for it... |
| 20:10.30 | bigwig | i don't want to kill it |
| 20:10.30 | intruder | s/of/or |
| 20:10.32 | azeem | Masty: the actual commands are "apt-get" and "apt-cache", not "apt" |
| 20:10.33 | sybec | <g333k_work> I'll rape your sister Fucker! |
| 20:10.41 | sybec | g333k_work: stop sending me private messages |
| 20:10.42 | Guerin | i dunno, maybe you can nohup something after it starts... |
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| 20:10.47 | jjazz | bigwig: man nohup |
| 20:10.53 | karsten | sybec: /ignore g333k_work -msgs |
| 20:11.07 | g333k_work | sybec, Am i sending you pv messages? |
| 20:11.09 | JohnGH | It had a floppy, which was bootable under DOS, but it was USB, and the boot disk image couldn't find the next stage after booting.. |
| 20:11.10 | Braindead | mmm nope,it's also too late for nohup |
| 20:11.21 | sybec | unknown command: /ignore |
| 20:11.22 | bigwig | jjazz: how to use nohup with a running program? |
| 20:11.28 | Guerin | JohnGH: my advice would be `don't buy sony toys'. Can it boot off a generic usb fdd/cdrom/key? |
| 20:11.35 | jjazz | bigwig: You know... I don't know |
| 20:11.39 | g333k_work | sybec, Are you crazy, why would I want to write you in private? |
| 20:11.40 | Braindead | bigwig: you have to kill the process. then start it with nohup or inside screen |
| 20:11.41 | jjazz | bigwig: Maybe you can't |
| 20:11.44 | JohnGH | Guerin: my one can't no... |
| 20:11.52 | Guerin | JohnGH: gods, that's bad. |
| 20:11.55 | Pc_Dark | what could be wrong with my router |
| 20:11.58 | azeem | g333k_work: please drop it and/or ignore sybec |
| 20:11.58 | Guerin | !rube goldberg install |
| 20:11.58 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 20:12.01 | Guerin | ↑ |
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| 20:12.09 | JohnGH | I bought it off eBay back in 2000, because it was tiny, and all other laptops of that power at the time were huge |
| 20:12.10 | g333k_work | azeem, ok |
| 20:12.18 | sybec | g333k_work: I don't know why, just don't do it any more. And stop talking about my sister |
| 20:12.20 | Guerin | JohnGH: netboot? |
| 20:12.26 | karsten | sybec: Drop it. |
| 20:12.36 | sybec | yes mam |
| 20:12.37 | bigwig | thx |
| 20:12.37 | bigwig | bye |
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| 20:12.44 | JohnGH | Guerin: as in a PXE network card? |
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| 20:12.47 | JohnGH | or a CD? |
| 20:12.49 | JohnGH | or what? |
| 20:12.50 | jjazz | JohnGH: Put the drive in another latop |
| 20:12.53 | Guerin | JohnGH: too much to ask, i suppose. |
| 20:13.01 | Guerin | JohnGH: is there an OS on it now? |
| 20:13.17 | JohnGH | Debian of course :) |
| 20:13.20 | JohnGH | now |
| 20:13.29 | karsten | JohnGH: chroot install |
| 20:13.36 | Guerin | oh, so it seems i misunderestimate the problem |
| 20:13.50 | Guerin | !wayttd JohnGH |
| 20:13.50 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, JohnGH? |
| 20:13.51 | JohnGH | when I got it it had Win2K and NTFS which was a shit, because I asked him to leave win95 on so I could trash it easier from DOS |
| 20:13.53 | karsten | Guerin: Don't quote our president ... |
| 20:14.02 | karsten | Guerin: ... unless you're willing to take him off our hands. |
| 20:14.09 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:14.13 | JohnGH | dpkg: you speak? :) |
| 20:14.30 | karsten | JohnGH: The bot can be made to talk, yes. |
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| 20:14.48 | JohnGH | I'm not trying to do anying... FuelB is trying to install a second Debian install onto a machine that can only boot off the hard disk, and I'm saying it's possible, because I've had to do it before myself |
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| 20:14.52 | Guerin | gods, badblocks takes a long time |
| 20:14.58 | Guerin | i should have run this overnight |
| 20:15.10 | Guerin | JohnGH: ooooh. |
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| 20:15.21 | Guerin | FuelB: boot off something else. Make it so. |
| 20:15.32 | stoned | hmm |
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| 20:15.37 | karsten | JohnGH: chroot install. Debian installation manual. Appendix C4. |
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| 20:15.43 | karsten | JohnGH: I wrote that m'self, originally. |
| 20:16.00 | Guerin | karsten: not that you're bragging about it. |
| 20:16.07 | stoned | it will do you good to read sections 3,4,5 of the install guide |
| 20:16.12 | karsten | Guerin: No, I let you do that for me. |
| 20:16.15 | JohnGH | Guerin: I think I'd go with the FreeDOS install in the swap partition... and loadlin to load the Debian installer boot image it's pretty easy :) |
| 20:16.26 | karsten | JohnGH: That can work too. |
| 20:16.27 | stoned | JohnDoh, grub for nt? |
| 20:16.31 | JohnGH | karsten: OK cool |
| 20:16.34 | karsten | JohnGH: TMTOOTDI |
| 20:16.34 | stoned | JohnDoh, thats not gonna do it for you? |
| 20:16.45 | karsten | s/OTDI/WTDI |
| 20:16.49 | Guerin | JohnGH: yeh, that's the plan. |
| 20:17.06 | JohnGH | karsten: yes, Tim :) |
| 20:17.19 | JohnGH | (TimToady) |
| 20:17.28 | karsten | Oi |
| 20:17.59 | Guerin | mm, i wonder if it's possible to copy a debian chroot to a drive using cygwin under windows |
| 20:18.09 | FuelB | I think the chroot install will work |
| 20:18.22 | MajorPayne | is there a stable version of exlipse, and if not, how do I install the unstable version of eclipse on stable debian? |
| 20:18.22 | Guerin | you'd need to make an e2 filesystem first, i wonder if cygwin can do that |
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| 20:18.46 | MajorPayne | eclipse |
| 20:18.51 | Guerin | MajorPayne: /msg dpkg ssearch; /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 20:19.17 | MajorPayne | Guerin: I already did and apt-cache search eclipse, it didn't find anything |
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| 20:19.23 | JohnGH | FuelB: if you want to go the DOS path... I haven't updated it for 2 years, but it will probably still be the same: http://wiki.debian.org/BootableDOSPartitionFromLinux |
| 20:19.28 | MajorPayne | yet I see this page http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/eclipse |
| 20:19.30 | Guerin | MajorPayne: you need contrib; ask dpkg |
| 20:19.41 | blazemonger | why is apt-spy gi9ving me a Segmentation Fault |
| 20:19.46 | Guerin | for dpkg is the distilled wisdom (and stupidity) of hashdweebian |
| 20:20.00 | Pc_Dark | what could be stopping my IdentD from working |
| 20:20.02 | Guerin | blazemonger: are you STILL working on that? |
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| 20:20.06 | Pc_Dark | My router is a linksys 1 |
| 20:20.17 | Guerin | Pc_Dark: configure it better. |
| 20:20.26 | Guerin | blazemonger: use mirror.kernel.org |
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| 20:20.36 | Pc_Dark | what do you mean by that |
| 20:20.41 | Pc_Dark | is there any ports i have to use? |
| 20:20.41 | azeem | does ident work behind a nat router? |
| 20:20.42 | Ronin | blazemonger: why bother using apt-spy in the first place? |
| 20:21.00 | Pc_Dark | My firewall allows NAT |
| 20:21.02 | azeem | Pc_Dark: yeah, I guess you'd need port forwarding on the router, dunno |
| 20:21.02 | coredata | private |
| 20:21.43 | Pc_Dark | what port needs to be forwarded for IdentD |
| 20:21.58 | azeem | Pc_Dark: I don't know, look it up on the interne |
| 20:21.59 | azeem | t |
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| 20:22.02 | rahul | Pc_Dark: you don't |
| 20:22.08 | rahul | Pc_Dark: you use oidentd. |
| 20:22.16 | JohnGH | *whew* I actually found it... I made a vague new years resolution not to promise to do things for people... it's hard, I almost broke it then! |
| 20:22.32 | Guerin | Ronin: we told him too because he was complaining about f.us.d.o |
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| 20:22.49 | Guerin | JohnGH: heh |
| 20:22.59 | rahul | Pc_Dark: you need to put oidentd on the router, which will translate port numbers from external to internal for that internal IP |
| 20:23.02 | Muffin | So, for anyone who remembers my crazy gnupg problems from around christmas, running debian testing on a sparc 20, I finally solved the problem. |
| 20:23.05 | Pc_Dark | 113 I believe |
| 20:23.09 | Muffin | The solution was that openssl had to be compiled with gcc-3.3 and not 4.1, and that gnupg similarly had to be compiled with gcc-3.3, linking against the previously compiled openssl libraries. |
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| 20:23.38 | Flimzy | Is there a handy way to make a binary diff of a file? |
| 20:23.42 | blazemonger | ronin having trouble updating |
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| 20:23.45 | Flimzy | or rather a diff of binary files, heh |
| 20:23.49 | Guerin | Flimzy: haha |
| 20:23.57 | Guerin | Flimzy: md5sum |
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| 20:24.04 | Flimzy | no, I need a diff |
| 20:24.13 | blazemonger | its like starts downloading updates then says files arent available,etc. |
| 20:24.16 | azeem | Flimzy: xdelta I think |
| 20:24.19 | plugwash__ | where should i report an issue with archive.debian.org? |
| 20:24.23 | Guerin | Flimzy: a diff of two binaries is mostly meaningless, no? |
| 20:24.29 | Flimzy | Guerin: No. |
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| 20:24.42 | azeem | plugwash__: tell us about it |
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| 20:25.01 | Flimzy | Guerin: I have two disk images. I need to get a diff of them, then be able to apply it bring them both up to speed. |
| 20:25.05 | plugwash__ | the contents files for woody seem to be missing |
| 20:25.05 | enouf | Muffin: I recall! |
| 20:25.17 | Ronin | blazemonger: so? you dont need apt-spy to update |
| 20:25.21 | enouf | Muffin: I'll take 2 to go .. thanks :-) |
| 20:25.27 | Flimzy | altho it may be easier to use something else in this case |
| 20:25.32 | JohnGH | Guerin: When I *first* installed that laptop I was using Slackware (it was about a year before I switched over to Debian) - and I installed it by cutting the installs into floppy sized chunks and copying them over from my PC using the USB drive on a huge stack of second hand floppy disks customers had left in my mate's Internet cafe... |
| 20:25.46 | Guerin | JohnGH: ye gods. |
| 20:25.51 | azeem | plugwash__: did you check bugs.debian.org/ftp.debian.org whether it might be reported already? |
| 20:26.53 | blazemonger | im trying to find faster mirrors |
| 20:26.53 | JohnGH | then joining them back together with a cat for DOS that I found... It felt heroic :) it worked |
| 20:26.53 | Guerin | blazemonger: just pick one. |
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| 20:26.53 | Ronin | blazemonger: pick one, once you know the pattern you just change say .mx for the country of your choice |
| 20:26.53 | Muffin | enouf: Blueberry or lemon-poppyseed? =) |
| 20:26.53 | Guerin | blazemonger: by my calculations, you've spent about 10 hours trying to find a faster mirror ... |
| 20:26.59 | Muffin | Guerin: A *patch* of two binaries is *not* meaningless. |
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| 20:27.29 | rgsteele | Hm. I'm on my box, and I've nmap'ed my router to see what port the web interface is on (also lynx'ed to it to verify), and I can confirm it's 80. But, when I telnet to port 80 on the router, it connects briefly, and then disconnects me less than a second later saying "Connection closed by foreign host". Does it just not like the handshake it's getting from telnet? |
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| 20:27.40 | Guerin | Muffin: oops, my n00b is showing :) |
| 20:27.43 | Blackhold | buah |
| 20:27.44 | Demosthenes | I |
| 20:27.44 | rgsteele | (Incidentally, port 23 is open on the router and doesn't disconnect me) |
| 20:27.45 | Blackhold | help |
| 20:27.46 | JohnGH | Once I had a working Linux on there I just copied any further files over the network (I didn't have the cable for the built in NIC in those days - they cost a packet back then too - but I had a 3Com PCMCIA card which was supported :) |
| 20:27.48 | Blackhold | con el ybin :_ |
| 20:27.59 | Muffin | Guerin: Haha, whoops. |
| 20:28.03 | Ronin | !es |
| 20:28.03 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 20:28.11 | Guerin | Blackhold: i do hope you're not needing help with ubuntu |
| 20:28.19 | Demosthenes | I'm having difficulty configuring udev on Etch for a USB digital camera. I've got the udevinfo from it, and have set a rule, with no results. |
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| 20:28.44 | JohnGH | rgsteele: if you're quick enough, can you past in GET / HTTP/1.0 and two newlines before it disconnects? |
| 20:28.49 | Blackhold | Guerin: I have reinstalled mac os x in my computer and I have to reactivate again the yaboot |
| 20:28.55 | JohnGH | and are you sure it's doing HTTP and not HTTPS? |
| 20:29.04 | Blackhold | but I followed the forums and I have a problem that I cannot solve |
| 20:29.04 | JohnGH | past -> paste |
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| 20:29.06 | Guerin | Blackhold: you have my condolences. #debianppc |
| 20:29.08 | rgsteele | JohnGH. Yeah, probably |
| 20:29.14 | maddash | where's amphi? |
| 20:29.15 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Lemme give it a whirl |
| 20:29.29 | Guerin | maddash: could be in the water or on land |
| 20:29.34 | maddash | no whois amphi, wheres** amphi... |
| 20:29.41 | maddash | Guerin, haha. nice |
| 20:29.45 | mes | apt 0.6.x must include a throttling mechanism |
| 20:29.57 | azeem | maddash: /msg nickserv help |
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| 20:30.06 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Yeah, I got a banner |
| 20:30.08 | Blackhold | Guerin: ok thnks |
| 20:30.13 | JohnGH | rgsteele: well done :) |
| 20:30.17 | rgsteele | ;) |
| 20:30.26 | azeem | hrm, not very helpful either |
| 20:30.31 | Guerin | mes: apt DOES have an inbuilt throttle, but last I checked it was still undocumented. I found it after many hours of google, and thought `ah, no need to save that' |
| 20:30.35 | JohnGH | a banner? or the HTML source of the login page? |
| 20:30.42 | Guerin | mes: i recommend using trickle instead |
| 20:30.56 | rgsteele | Yeah, the HTML source actually, not just a banner. In any event, I'm pretty sure that's the proper port. |
| 20:31.08 | rgsteele | I can get to it with lynx, but the page is heavy on javascript so lynx can't do much. |
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| 20:31.36 | mes | Guerin, I was not wanting it to be throttled, rather unthrottled, it seems to run at a couple of speed steps |
| 20:31.44 | JohnGH | rgsteele: it's weird that it's dropping a telnet session - I've not seen that before on an HTTP port |
| 20:31.51 | Guerin | mes: likely done at the mirror end. |
| 20:31.59 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Yeah, I know right? |
| 20:32.20 | JohnGH | rgsteele: you've proved you're talking to the right port though :) |
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| 20:32.40 | Guerin | mm, is there a quick HDD scanner? |
| 20:32.42 | mes | Guerin, no tried with wget works just fine, and all mirrors show the same, 0.5 runs fine |
| 20:32.45 | JohnGH | rgsteele: next thing is to use Perl and WWW::Mechanize and interpret the JavaScript yourself ;) |
| 20:32.52 | Guerin | mes: huh, wacky. |
| 20:33.30 | Guerin | i have a drive which I'm pretty usure is OK; one partition has just run badblocks clean, but the drive throws seekcomplete and i/o errors at boot, for no apparent reason |
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| 20:33.42 | mes | Guerin, 11-15KBps, 60-70K and full wire speed, it switches between |
| 20:34.01 | Guerin | ideally I wouldn't spend another three hours running badblocks if I don't have to |
| 20:34.35 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Or, just wait until I get home so I can set the port forwarding in the router config instead of trying to do it via SSH :) |
| 20:34.56 | rgsteele | JohnGH: My way sounds a lot less like a sharp-stick-in-the-eye |
| 20:35.04 | rgsteele | :) |
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| 20:36.09 | enouf | Guerin: smartmontools and your manu HDD diags |
| 20:36.37 | Guerin | mm |
| 20:36.42 | Guerin | i don't have an OS on it as yet |
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| 20:37.04 | enouf | Guerin: the manu HDD diags usually are a bootble cd/floppy |
| 20:37.10 | enouf | bootable |
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| 20:37.16 | Guerin | mm |
| 20:38.10 | enouf | Guerin: there's also premade stuff like ultimatebootcd.com and stuff with tools already .. sysrescd.com perhaps too .. test-disk maybe |
| 20:38.27 | Guerin | mm, i should download those things |
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| 20:38.53 | enouf | http://www.cgsecurity.org/wiki/TestDisk for testdisk |
| 20:39.06 | JohnGH | rgsteele: not so much fun though |
| 20:39.32 | JohnGH | rgsteele: do you have another box you can get to outside? ;) |
| 20:39.43 | enouf | rgsteele: links2 handles javascript .. i can access my router's interface with it |
| 20:39.58 | rgsteele | enouf: Oh? That sounds intriguing... |
| 20:40.16 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Why? I've got boxes all over the place at my disposal :) |
| 20:40.27 | Demosthenes | still no luck with udev rules. do i have to edit an existing file, because i created my own to avoid conflicts... do you have to restart udev in order to detect changes? etc? |
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| 20:40.33 | JohnGH | enouf: grr - whcy have they branched??? elinks rocks for SSL - does links2 do that too? |
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| 20:40.47 | enouf | rgsteele: any browser should (that handles javashit) if it serves web page format and javashit :-) |
| 20:40.55 | plugwash__ | azeem no, does archive.debian.org come under the judristiction of the ftp masters then? |
| 20:40.59 | JohnGH | rgsteele: I have used ssh -R 1234:localhost:22 remotebox |
| 20:41.03 | enouf | JohnGH: not sure at all .. |
| 20:41.18 | rgsteele | JohnGH: That's what I'm doing |
| 20:41.49 | enouf | Demosthenes: if you want /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 20:41.57 | rgsteele | But instead, it's more like ssh -L 5000:192.168.1.1:80 myserver |
| 20:41.58 | JohnGH | rgsteele: :) |
| 20:42.00 | Flimzy | I have a 256mb file full of zeros... then I did some mkfs type junk on it... now I want to create a list of the specific 1024-byte blocks that are no longer full of 0's. What's the best way to do this? |
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| 20:42.15 | rgsteele | But the problem is...it's not working. I'm in debug mode on that front right now :) |
| 20:42.33 | JohnGH | rgsteele: yup |
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| 20:43.33 | enouf | Guerin: clarification http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
| 20:43.36 | JohnGH | Flimzy: dd if=$FILE bs=1024 count=1 skip=$NUM ? |
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| 20:43.55 | Guerin | enouf: yeh, i know it |
| 20:44.02 | Flimzy | JohnGH: Thanks, but that doesn't help at all :) |
| 20:44.03 | enouf | thought you would |
| 20:44.09 | Demosthenes | enouf: is that required for updates? i thought it read off disk each run |
| 20:44.21 | Flimzy | JohnGH: I know how to extract a specific block... I need to know how to see which blocks != 0 |
| 20:44.24 | rgsteele | enouf: links2 ftw |
| 20:44.58 | enouf | Demosthenes: not sure .. but it helped someone yesterday with a USB stick that only half showed up .. and couldn't be mounted |
| 20:45.09 | enouf | rgsteele: yep :-) |
| 20:45.22 | enouf | links2 -g even rgsteele |
| 20:45.28 | Demosthenes | enouf: hrm. i just can't have it wiping out /dev while stuff is mounted. |
| 20:45.33 | unlink | when is libfoo2 used, and when is it called libfoo2.0? |
| 20:45.58 | JohnGH | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=1 | md5sum =? 0f343b0931126a20f133d67c2b018a3b |
| 20:46.01 | JohnGH | => |
| 20:46.03 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Does he want seek, not skip? |
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| 20:46.24 | unlink | the package for glib 2.12 is libglib2.0-0 ... why didn't they call it libglib2-0 ? |
| 20:46.30 | Demosthenes | enouf: udevcontrol reload_rules |
| 20:46.43 | enouf | ahh.. mmk |
| 20:46.43 | JohnGH | rgsteele: he's looking at ibs not obs :) |
| 20:46.58 | rgsteele | JohnGH: Oops, so he is. |
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| 20:47.10 | blondie | Malagmyr: you're a ghost? |
| 20:47.26 | Malagmyr | I am? |
| 20:47.41 | JohnGH | Flimzy: are you with me? |
| 20:47.45 | blondie | your quit message |
| 20:47.52 | enouf | !gothsmite Malagmyr |
| 20:48.04 | Flimzy | JohnGH: Hrm. Interesting approach. |
| 20:48.17 | raf256 | !rmssmite me |
| 20:48.18 | Malagmyr | blondie: ah. that's been there since I felt really bad about everything when I was 18. never did change it. |
| 20:48.19 | enouf | blondie: heh .. thought you were misreading the sign on name |
| 20:48.28 | Malagmyr | blondie: 22 now. long lost past :) |
| 20:48.34 | blondie | o.OL |
| 20:48.34 | raf256 | lol |
| 20:48.35 | blondie | -L |
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| 20:49.17 | dooglus | I built a kernel.org kernel, but it doesn't find my root partition /dev/sda8 when I boot it. what do I need to add to the kernel? |
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| 20:50.19 | PumpkinPie | what is the last address in a subnet again? |
| 20:50.25 | PumpkinPie | multicast? |
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| 20:51.26 | Demosthenes | enouf: that was the whole problem. it never autodetected rule changes. when i told it to reload, it worked the first time. |
| 20:51.42 | enouf | hehe .. figures |
| 20:51.52 | JohnGH | Flimsy: it's a bit slow, I'd write it in Perl myself, but try this: for BLOCK in $(seq 0 10); do SUM=$(dd if=$FILE bs=1024 skip=$BLOCK 2>/dev/null|md5sum|awk '{print $1}'); if [ $SUM != "0f343b0931126a20f133d67c2b018a3b" ] ; then echo $BLOCK; fi ; done |
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| 20:53.12 | JohnGH | whoops! I missed out the count=1 sorry |
| 20:53.54 | JohnGH | Flimsy: make that: for BLOCK in $(seq 0 10); do SUM=$(dd if=$FILE bs=1024 skip=$BLOCK count=1 2>/dev/null|md5sum|awk '{print $1}'); if [ $SUM != "0f343b0931126a20f133d67c2b018a3b" ] ; then echo $BLOCK; fi ; done |
| 20:54.03 | vivijim | Hi, I'm using reprepro to manage my repository, but I need my pool repository have the distro name like pool/sarge/ and pool/etch because i have packages with same name and md5 differents ... I've just noticed that unfortunally reprepro does not allow this ... Does any one have any idea to do this ? any other good tool to manage repositories ? |
| 20:54.12 | karsten | JohnGH: count=0 for even smaller sparse files. |
| 20:54.27 | dondelelcaro | you could also just run it through hexdump which will collapse the zeros |
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| 20:54.34 | JohnGH | and change the seq 0 10 to 0 (whatever you need) |
| 20:54.56 | plugwash__ | can't you just use different version numbers (e.g. add the distro name to the end of the version number) for packages you build for different debian releases |
| 20:55.02 | Flimzy | JohnGH: I started on a perl script... and determined there are far too many changes to be worth doing this. I was hoping I could do something simple like copy 20 blocks or so. It looks like there are blocks throught the entire disk that have changed. so I'll just use gzip -9 on the whole thing. |
| 20:55.06 | JohnGH | dondelelcaro: I thought he said he wanted to know the block numbers of the zero blocks |
| 20:55.11 | decaf | hi, where can I find oldstable source packages? |
| 20:55.20 | Flimzy | JohnGH: I get about 90% compression that way. |
| 20:55.25 | JohnGH | :) |
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| 20:55.37 | JohnGH | gzip loves blocks of all zeros :) |
| 20:55.41 | Flimzy | No wait |
| 20:55.42 | Flimzy | heh |
| 20:55.46 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: is there any reason why you're not just using a sparse file? |
| 20:55.48 | Flimzy | the .gz is .001% of the original size |
| 20:56.03 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Hmm |
| 20:56.05 | plugwash__ | decaf archive.debian.org |
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| 20:56.12 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I'm not sure if that would work or not... |
| 20:56.19 | dondelelcaro | it works just fine... |
| 20:56.24 | decaf | thank you plugwash__ |
| 20:56.25 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I'm creating a disk image that will be written to a ramdisk from an initramfs |
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| 20:56.35 | JohnGH | I remember seeing a file once which was a huge number of bytes of zeros gzipped and gzipped and gzipped lots of times... it was tiny, but look out if you tried unzipping the file inside the file inside the file... |
| 20:56.44 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: yes, that's perfectly fine |
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| 20:56.59 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: I don't know that a sparse file will mantain it's sparseness in this context. |
| 20:57.10 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: it will if you use the proper options to cp |
| 20:57.12 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Since the initramfs is essentially a .gz anyway |
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| 20:57.54 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Inside of the initramfs .img it will take up the same space whether it's a .gz of a 99% zero file, or if it's a sparse file.. right? |
| 20:58.07 | JohnGH | dondelelcaro: sparse files can be a pain if you're copying them to other filesystems - I normally tar them up with an S switch and send the tar instead... they're great for fragmenting disk space too! |
| 20:58.30 | dondelelcaro | JohnGH: if you're using cp, they generally work just fine |
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| 20:58.52 | dondelelcaro | the only major problem with them is putting sparse files in packages... dpkg unfortunatly doesn't use the right options to tar |
| 20:58.57 | JohnGH | dondelcaro: when you're copying them to NTFS or FAT32 or something else less than ext3? |
| 20:59.03 | dondelelcaro | (well, it actually has its own problems) |
| 20:59.28 | Flimzy | tar -S actually grew the file in my case |
| 20:59.29 | dondelelcaro | JohnGH: unix filesystems should handle them file; I've no clue about ntfs or fat32: I don't use them. |
| 20:59.33 | karsten | Flimzy: sparse file sparseness is maintained by cp and tar, not by most other tools. One trick is to stream to stdout, then 'cp --sparse=always /dev/stdin <target>' to preserve sparseness. |
| 20:59.37 | Rapp | does anyone know if i can force courier-imap to ONLY allow ssl connections? |
| 20:59.41 | karsten | Flimzy: ... it's also filesystem dependnt. |
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| 20:59.57 | karsten | Rapp: Firewall non-SSL ports. |
| 21:00.15 | Flimzy | The end result here is that during the initramfs boot, before root is mounted, I need to dd this file to /dev/ram0 |
| 21:00.15 | JohnGH | I was backing up unfinished .part files from aMule, moving them to a machine with disk space and deleting them when I'd bitten off too much for my disk space to chew in my download list |
| 21:00.23 | Flimzy | Once it's there, it's sparseness is irrelevant anyway |
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| 21:00.45 | dooglus | I built a kernel.org kernel, but it doesn't find my root partition /dev/sda8 when I boot it. what do I need to add to the kernel? |
| 21:00.50 | Flimzy | Before it's there, it's just a file in a compressed initramfs image. Whether it's "sparse" there or compressed zeros will make practically no difference... right? |
| 21:00.51 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: is there any reason why you're actually copying it instead of just using a unionfs overlay on /dev/ram0? |
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| 21:01.17 | dondelelcaro | (granted, copying it is simpler...) |
| 21:01.18 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Last I checked, unionfs was not in Linux proper... has that changed? |
| 21:01.23 | nvz | dooglus: support for your disk controller and/or filesystem |
| 21:01.32 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: it's not, but it's designed for this very situtation |
| 21:01.52 | nvz | dooglus: would help to be specific about what the error is could be misconfigured loader or other things |
| 21:01.52 | Rapp | karsten: oh, how obvious. :) thanks |
| 21:01.52 | JohnGH | dondelelcaro: my girlfriend's laptop in her office in the other room has a larger disk than mine and lots more free space... she's on XP, but mount -t smbfs has got me out of a disk space pinch many times |
| 21:01.53 | Flimzy | maybe I'll look into it again |
| 21:01.59 | dooglus | nvz: I copied the debian kernel's config file to .config in the kernel.org source tree, so all the options should be much the same, no? |
| 21:02.16 | nvz | dooglus: are they the exact same version? |
| 21:02.22 | dondelelcaro | JohnGH: could be... all the machines here that I care about are running Debian. |
| 21:02.28 | karsten | Rapp: There may well be a courier solution as well, but that's the one that comes to me. |
| 21:02.36 | dooglus | nvz: it tells me it can't find /dev/sda8, and tells me to "ls /dev". when I do I see a bunch of /dev/hda? devices, but no /dev/sda* at all |
| 21:02.47 | JohnGH | dondelelcaro :) |
| 21:02.51 | nvz | dooglus: if you dont think kernel devs change the names and presence of config options you are nuts :P |
| 21:02.54 | JohnGH | I'd like it if she was on Debian too :) |
| 21:02.55 | dooglus | nvz: they're not, no. the debian kernel is 2.6.18 and kernel.org is 2.6.19 |
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| 21:03.11 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Ultimately, I want the physical root fs to be read-only, and all writes to happen to ramdisk... I guess unionfs is possible to use on a root fs without too much trouble? |
| 21:03.17 | Rapp | karsten: yes, i just got the info that one can also just not start the non-ssl daemon |
| 21:03.19 | nvz | dooglus: is this sata or scsi? |
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| 21:03.26 | dooglus | nvz: sata I think |
| 21:03.40 | dooglus | nvz: it's a new laptop's internel disk if that helps |
| 21:03.41 | dondelelcaro | Flimzy: that's what knoppix uses |
| 21:03.43 | nvz | dooglus: maybe its reading it as hd* now instead of sd* |
| 21:03.46 | karsten | Guerin: You've got a box that's going to university? |
| 21:03.54 | Laris | Hi |
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| 21:04.02 | Guerin | karsten:in a way ... |
| 21:04.02 | dooglus | nvz: interesting. I'll try root=/dev/hda8 then. thanks |
| 21:04.25 | nvz | dooglus: I dont know a whole lot about SATA or why it was using SCSI layer.. |
| 21:04.28 | dooglus | nvz: it drops me into a 'BusyBox' prompt - but I can't do much from there |
| 21:04.30 | karsten | Guerin: Actually, the proper Movie Preview Guy voice is "In a place..." |
| 21:04.36 | Flimzy | dondelelcaro: Is it possible to merge changes to the unionfs back to the physical layer if needed? |
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| 21:05.17 | plugwash__ | Flimzy your best bet is probablly to pick through the knoppix boot process and see how they managed to use cloop and unionfs to make a system where all writes to go memory and the backing image is a compressed cd |
| 21:05.25 | Guerin | wtf, etch busybox doesn't have ping on it |
| 21:05.27 | dooglus | nvz: I would prefer to use a stock debian kernel, but the wireless driver breaks under heavy load. apparently it's fixed in newer kernels |
| 21:05.28 | JohnGH | karsten: it must be a clever box huh? ;) |
| 21:05.40 | Guerin | how is one supposed to test a network? |
| 21:05.47 | Laris | ? |
| 21:05.49 | Flimzy | dooglus: I never use Debian kernels, and never have any problems. |
| 21:05.50 | karsten | Guerin: Strenuously. |
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| 21:05.55 | karsten | Guerin: I'd walk the OSI map. |
| 21:05.55 | nvz | dooglus: yeah.. |
| 21:06.08 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: using /dev/tcp/.... ? |
| 21:06.31 | nvz | dooglus: as long as you use kernel-package to build and have some clue as to what you are doing its not at all bad |
| 21:06.34 | dooglus | the laptop has a ipw3945 wireless chip, which apparently uses the ieee11??? stack, which is where the problem lies |
| 21:06.40 | karsten | Guerin: Physical, data, network, transport, session, app. |
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| 21:07.04 | karsten | Guerin: Basically: link light, gateway, DNS, routing, remote host contact. |
| 21:07.05 | dooglus | nvz: I used dpkg-build or some such to build it; it has worked for me in the past, but that was only with a kernel.org 2.6.18 kernel, not 2.6.19 |
| 21:07.41 | dooglus | kpkg-bld maybe? I don't remember exactly. I'm running Windows again now :( |
| 21:07.50 | karsten | Guerin: Might look at the netdiag package as well. |
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| 21:08.34 | Guerin | karsten: thanks. |
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| 21:08.43 | Guerin | it *should* be working, but since there's nothing on the damn install cd to test with ... |
| 21:09.06 | dooglus | is it likely that a new kernel version will map my disk to /dev/hda instead of /dev/sda? that means I'll have to edit /etc/fstab whenever I want to switch between them |
| 21:09.14 | karsten | Guerin: I'm working through O'Reilly's _NFS & NIS_ ATM, it mentions a "spray" command, but I can't find it for Linux. Looks like netspray may be it. |
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| 21:09.22 | karsten | s/netspray/tcpspray/ |
| 21:09.22 | Flimzy | dooglus: What kind of hard drive do you have? |
| 21:09.25 | karsten | Guerin: netcat? |
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| 21:10.03 | cld2 | anyone know if there is a gui "browser" for ldap? |
| 21:10.03 | Flimzy | dooglus: The only way that would happen is if you're using a PATA drive with 2.6.19 (or newer) using the libsata driver, and are going back to an older version that uses the old style PATA driver |
| 21:10.13 | Guerin | karsten: on the etch bizcard installer? |
| 21:10.22 | karsten | cld2: Yes. |
| 21:10.34 | karsten | Guerin: Could be. It's small and useful. May be 'nc'. |
| 21:10.46 | karsten | !tell cld2 about search |
| 21:11.21 | cld2 | karsten: yeah I tried that for 'ldap' but im not getting anything that appears, at least to me to be an ldap browser. do you know of one? |
| 21:11.32 | dooglus | Flimzy: it's a 2.5" 9.5mm IDE HDD Ultra DMA100; S.M.A.R.T. supported; SATA; 80GB drive (it says here) |
| 21:11.49 | Flimzy | dooglus: SATA is alsays /dev/sd?? |
| 21:11.52 | karsten | cld2: apt-cache search ldap browser |
| 21:12.04 | cld2 | Flimzy: yeah, because its part of the scsi kernel section. |
| 21:12.09 | karsten | cld2: First result here si gq. Also luma and monit. There's something for Windows as well. |
| 21:12.14 | Flimzy | cld2: Not any more. |
| 21:12.18 | Flimzy | cld2: Only on really old kernels |
| 21:12.24 | karsten | cld2: ... which I forget specifics of. |
| 21:12.24 | dooglus | Flimzy: it always has been, yes. but when I boot the kernel I just built, there is nothing in /dev matching sda* |
| 21:12.26 | utab | I am trying to install java but "apt-get install java-package" could not find java-package do I have to change my sources?? |
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| 21:12.34 | karsten | !install java |
| 21:12.35 | cld2 | Flimzy: oh yeah. sorry old info. it got moved. |
| 21:12.35 | dpkg | install java is probably First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 21:12.57 | cld2 | karsten: Jeso peet. thanks. I was doing apt-cache search ldap |grep ldap and gq or luma didnt show up for me. thanks. |
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| 21:13.02 | Flimzy | dooglus: You may be using udev or something, then. |
| 21:13.10 | dooglus | Flimzy: so my question is: how do I get /dev to contain /dev/sda?? ? |
| 21:13.29 | Flimzy | dooglus: You could give each partition a label, then use LABEL= syntax in fstab. Then it won't matter what the device names are |
| 21:13.35 | karsten | cld2: you can supply multiple terms to apt-cache search, they'll match anywhere in the package description or other fields. |
| 21:13.38 | JohnGH | cureless: stuffed if I can find where to put the format string ;) |
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| 21:13.55 | karsten | dooglus: Load SCSI modules. |
| 21:13.56 | dooglus | Flimzy: how do I label a (ext3) partition? |
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| 21:14.11 | dooglus | karsten: it's a SATA drive. do they use SCSI modules? |
| 21:14.12 | cld2 | karsten: I didnt know that. thanks. |
| 21:14.13 | Flimzy | dooglus, I've never tried. I'd start by RTFMing :) try some man pages |
| 21:14.15 | rgsteele | enouf: Aw, links2 is so close to working :) |
| 21:14.21 | Cooner750 | How can I run the following: /opt/wildfire/bin/wildfire start as the last thing before the system is done booting? |
| 21:14.44 | rgsteele | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:14.55 | rgsteele | Whatever's in there is there errantly. |
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| 21:15.07 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 21:15.08 | Cooner750 | rgsteele: I put it there. |
| 21:15.12 | Guerin | it's an option |
| 21:15.17 | karsten | dooglus: hence 'sda' a/k/a SCSI drive #1. |
| 21:15.21 | Guerin | Cooner750: bootmisc or rc.local |
| 21:15.23 | rgsteele | Cooner750: Well, then you have to edit your rc2.d |
| 21:15.24 | ElDiabolo | Hi. Is there a list of small systems (PDAs, Access Points, WLAN Print Servers) that are supported by debian? |
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| 21:15.41 | karsten | rgsteele: /opt is defined by FHS. It's user/localy maintained. |
| 21:15.44 | Flimzy | ElDiabolo: there's a web site... mobilelinux.org or something. google will help you find it |
| 21:15.52 | rgsteele | karsten: FHS? |
| 21:15.54 | karsten | ElDiabolo: debian-ports for CPU arches. |
| 21:15.56 | karsten | !FHS |
| 21:15.57 | dpkg | [fhs] the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
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| 21:16.22 | Cooner750 | rgsteele: How? |
| 21:16.29 | Flimzy | ElDiabolo: Most won't be supported by _Debian_ |
| 21:16.30 | karsten | rgsteele: So it's not a debianism, per se, but it's included by default as an empty root-level directory on Debian systems at install. |
| 21:16.35 | utab | !faq |
| 21:16.35 | dpkg | The #debian FAQ is at http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 21:16.40 | Flimzy | ElDiabolo: unless they're an actual "computer" |
| 21:16.40 | karsten | rgsteele: I generally replace it with a symlink to /usr/local/opt/ |
| 21:16.47 | Flimzy | ElDiabolo: Many are supported by Linux. |
| 21:16.57 | rgsteele | Cooner750: cd /etc/rc2.d |
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| 21:17.31 | rgsteele | Cooner750: See the numbers next to things? I think the higher they are, the later they get run in the boot sequence |
| 21:18.18 | Cooner750 | So how do I have it run /opt/wildfire/bin/wildfire start ? |
| 21:18.27 | rgsteele | Create a symlink to it |
| 21:18.45 | Guerin | Cooner750: you write an init script for it using the base in /etc/init.d/skeleton |
| 21:19.09 | Guerin | Cooner750: or you just put that line in the appropriate place in /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 21:19.10 | ElDiabolo | Flimzy: Actually I need a cheap small low power system with wlan and an usb port. Debian is because it is so easy to handle :) |
| 21:19.26 | rgsteele | Guerin: He could probably just use rcconf, no? |
| 21:19.26 | mirak | I am looking for somebody experienced with serial ports. I have put a 2 ports pci card in a g4 350mhz. problem is that adresses of ports seems swapped for exemple ttyS0 is on 0x1050 and ttyS1 is on 0x1040. I have on the ports a infinity phoenix smartcard reader and a IR receiver. also ttyS0 and ttyS1 seems inverted on the hardware port, it's not what I got on linux x86. |
| 21:19.39 | Guerin | rgsteele: probably, but without looking at the script, i can't be sure |
| 21:19.59 | Guerin | rgsteele: that it starts with `start' is a good sign, but it might not obey other such conventions |
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| 21:20.08 | rgsteele | Guerin: True |
| 21:20.18 | Cooner750 | Where do I put the line in bootmisc.sh? |
| 21:20.20 | deadcat | i know i can mke my kernel uname -r to be like 2.6.19.1+computername+date via make-kpkg, but how can i do that just using make vmlinux? |
| 21:20.27 | enouf | Cooner750: /msg dpkg rcconf , /msg dpkg runlevel , /msg dpkg services |
| 21:20.40 | Guerin | Cooner750: you have to read the script to see; and you want to know about detaching and such |
| 21:20.58 | Kuko | Anyone here use sid? |
| 21:21.00 | Guerin | Cooner750: this is the sort of thing I'd expect the distribution to document |
| 21:21.07 | Bhavesh | i think i do |
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| 21:21.11 | Guerin | Cooner750: the program, i mean. |
| 21:21.35 | pjz | currently stable = sarge and testing = ? |
| 21:21.47 | Guerin | deadcat: edit a file in the kernel root. I forget which file, but it's documented everywhere. |
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| 21:21.56 | karsten | pjz: etch |
| 21:22.14 | deadcat | Guerin: thanks |
| 21:22.34 | karsten | !anybody |
| 21:22.35 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 21:22.40 | karsten | Kuko: Ask |
| 21:23.00 | Kuko | sid isnt a program |
| 21:23.03 | Kuko | But anyways |
| 21:23.20 | blondie | Kuko: don't ask stupid questions |
| 21:23.35 | Kuko | Has anyone had any major issues with sid? I know its labled unstable but ive never heard of big issues with it |
| 21:23.38 | karsten | Kuko: Just ask your question. We know what the hell sid is. |
| 21:23.46 | karsten | Kuko: If you have to ask, don't use it. |
| 21:23.52 | Kuko | hmm this room sure is friendly |
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| 21:24.00 | karsten | Kuko: Yes, it will steal your children's candy. |
| 21:24.03 | Supaplex | it'll eat your children |
| 21:24.05 | blondie | sid isn't supported here ;) |
| 21:24.06 | karsten | Kuko: http://www.debian.org/releases |
| 21:24.07 | Kuko | Good thing i have no children |
| 21:24.18 | karsten | Kuko: It'll eat 'em anyway, and *that* is painful. |
| 21:24.19 | Guerin | Kuko: yes. There was the time init was broken, and the time there was no grep, and several times when aptitude install would uninstall practically a whole syste if you let it |
| 21:24.34 | maddash | how do I figure out the return type of signal handler? |
| 21:24.35 | Supaplex | wrong children :p |
| 21:24.43 | blondie | btw, it's a channel not a room ;) |
| 21:24.44 | karsten | !sid |
| 21:24.45 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 21:24.59 | deadcat | karsten: i got the machine booted up.. building the kernel via make instead of make-kpkg |
| 21:25.08 | karsten | deadcat: Schwing. |
| 21:25.18 | deadcat | (= |
| 21:25.28 | deadcat | my bike is a TREK, not Schwing hehe |
| 21:25.51 | Supaplex | <sound-effect> tags ommited for brivety. |
| 21:25.52 | karsten | Kuko: We don't tolerate idiots well. Smart questions and a Good Attitude[tm] are appreciated. |
| 21:26.29 | Guerin | wtf, this network has magically stopped working |
| 21:26.45 | karsten | Guerin: We can't hear you. |
| 21:26.50 | Supaplex | modprobe -r network-pure-$*@$(-magic |
| 21:26.52 | Guerin | funneh |
| 21:27.04 | Supaplex | oops. ;) |
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| 21:27.16 | markit | hi, someone using mondoarchive ? |
| 21:27.17 | Kuko | karsten: #1 your one of the idiots people dont tolerate and #2 i asked a simple question and *you* flipped out instead of just ignoring it. |
| 21:27.29 | Guerin | Kuko: you're |
| 21:27.33 | karsten | markit: Ask Kuko |
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| 21:27.40 | karsten | Kuko: Don't taunt the regulars. |
| 21:27.53 | Supaplex | !tell markit -about ask |
| 21:28.01 | plugwash__ | imho there is very little reason to run a pure sid system, a mostly testing system with bits pulled from sid as desired is probablly a much better idea. |
| 21:28.04 | Kuko | It seems the ragulars in this channel are the harsh ones. And the decent people are the ones who leave |
| 21:28.06 | Guerin | Kuko: don't be offended, just take the advice you're given |
| 21:28.11 | maddash | kuko, karsten was just cut to the chase |
| 21:28.31 | Kuko | plugwash__: how would i go about doing so? |
| 21:28.32 | Guerin | Kuko: way to ingratiate yourself. |
| 21:28.43 | markit | hi, someone using mondoarchive and -E ? how can I specify multiple directories? using spaces seems not to work (i.e. -E /path1 /path2) |
| 21:28.44 | azeem | karsten: calling him an idiot wasn't really called for |
| 21:29.05 | azeem | Kuko: apart from that, I don't see how karsten's replies to you were in any way a problem |
| 21:29.14 | Supaplex | Kuko: first off, let's ask why you must have testing? (or unstable) |
| 21:29.18 | markit | Kuko: happens often in FOSS channels, unfortunatly |
| 21:29.21 | plugwash__ | Kuko the easiest way is to put both testing and unstable in your sources.list and make use of apts default release setting |
| 21:29.38 | plugwash__ | then just use apt-get -t unstable when you want something from sid |
| 21:29.41 | maddash | azeem: the "idiot" was called by Kuko ... |
| 21:29.50 | Supaplex | and plugwash__ is now volenteering to help you with all the breakage :) |
| 21:29.51 | karsten | azeem: I didn't specifically call _him/her_ an idiot. I said idiots weren't tolerated particularly well. |
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| 21:30.06 | azeem | karsten: yeah, but it was somehow implied by the context |
| 21:30.07 | azeem | anyway. |
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| 21:30.25 | deadcat | Guerin: could it be in the Makefile? NAME= blah? |
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| 21:30.33 | karsten | Kuko: There's typically 600-800 users here, it's a busy channel, it's useful, and some of us have day jobs. We try to help where we can but it helps a lot if you help us help you. |
| 21:30.47 | Flimzy | If I have two filesystems mounted with unionfs, and I write something to it, and the 'top' layer FS gets the write, is there any way to then commit all the writes from the top layer to the bottom layer? |
| 21:30.52 | plugwash__ | Supaplex if people didn't run sid and packages from sid then the breakage wouldn't be discovered before it hit testing |
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| 21:30.59 | plugwash__ | which would nullify the whole point of the testing system |
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| 21:31.05 | karsten | Kuko: Conversation style tends toward short and blunt, with a lot of bot messaging for repeated topics. If that's not yuor style, you're welcome to find another resource. |
| 21:31.06 | maddash | aesh can we please bypass the hostilities and get to the core of the problem: how do we determine whetehr signal handler returns void or int? |
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| 21:31.32 | azeem | maddash: that's sort of off-topic here |
| 21:31.34 | karsten | azeem: Point. |
| 21:31.34 | criminy | I'm getting a "Partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundery". Does anyone know the fdisk commands to fix this? |
| 21:31.43 | azeem | maddash: read a book on Unix system programming, like Stevens |
| 21:31.47 | maddash | azeem, it is? my etch is going wacko... |
| 21:31.47 | Kuko | alright well the thing is i use xmms2 and a lot of stuff gets updated rather frequiently and i would like the most up to date version avalible. Now thats only avalible through sid |
| 21:31.49 | criminy | it makes my partitions unmountable in the debian installer, but I can read them in grub |
| 21:31.53 | JohnGH | Kuko: quit whinging, it's a lot friendlier and more helpful than it has been at some stages in the past |
| 21:31.55 | Supaplex | plugwash__: I agree :) some of us are familar with it. You know just as well as I do the frustration clueless-about-debian people are when they can't use a cli to fix it, or how to go about it. =) |
| 21:31.56 | plugwash__ | Flimzy i'm not sure if you can do that easilly, you might like to contact the authors of unionfs |
| 21:32.01 | Flimzy | criminy: There isn't "a command" to fix that. |
| 21:32.02 | deadcat | i am trying to add hostname+date after the kernel name 2.6.19.1 to 2.6.19.1+hostname+date using make instead of make-kpkg, how to do this? what file to edit? |
| 21:32.04 | azeem | maddash: because of the signal handler? |
| 21:32.06 | karsten | criminy: Move the boundary. Suggest resizing related filesystems first. It's not a fatal problem, just annoying. |
| 21:32.17 | maddash | azeem, yes... |
| 21:32.23 | Flimzy | criminy: Because how to fix it, or even if it's broken, depends entirely on about 300 things that could be happening. |
| 21:32.26 | Guerin | Kuko: what reason, though, other than `i want teh new stuffs'? |
| 21:32.32 | maddash | azeem, any clue? |
| 21:32.39 | karsten | criminy: ... parted / qtparted usually lets you do that without trashing all your data and laughing at you, but backups are recommended. |
| 21:32.41 | azeem | maddash: paste error messages to a pastebin |
| 21:32.42 | Guerin | Kuko: it's a trade-off between shiny and sharp |
| 21:32.49 | maddash | I can't paste... |
| 21:32.50 | Flimzy | plugwash__: the unionfs web page is sparse on such details :) |
| 21:32.54 | Supaplex | deadcat: if you're not using make-kpkg, there's a kernel .config option, or there's also a Makefile option at the top 10 lines or so. |
| 21:33.01 | maddash | ctrl+v doesn't work, nor does the clipboard... |
| 21:33.04 | karsten | maddash: Um. #-devel or related may be where you want to be. |
| 21:33.07 | Flimzy | plugwash__: (meaning I can't find any such details at all) |
| 21:33.10 | azeem | maddash: then you're out of luck |
| 21:33.16 | criminy | ohh parted is on the etch installer =) |
| 21:33.16 | karsten | maddash: middle mouse. gpm in console. |
| 21:33.17 | Kuko | Well its because some updates sound very useful and im not sure how long the wait is for things to come to etch from sid |
| 21:33.17 | Kuko | =\ |
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| 21:33.29 | deadcat | Supaplex: thanks |
| 21:33.42 | karsten | Kuko: Stuff doesn't get from unstable to stable until release. |
| 21:33.47 | Guerin | Kuko: you could look at using debian-multimedia.org and/or rarewares, though they can introduce more madness |
| 21:33.52 | azeem | maddash: or transcribe the error message in #flood |
| 21:33.54 | karsten | !tell Kuko about releases |
| 21:34.01 | maddash | karsten, mid-button is doing everything but paste... |
| 21:34.02 | karsten | Kuko: Read that. Ask what isn't clear. |
| 21:34.08 | karsten | maddash: X? |
| 21:34.16 | plugwash__ | Flimzy you can always just copy everything to a new filesystem, i don't know if there is any way to do a mergeback in place with unionfs though |
| 21:34.21 | Kuko | etch is testing though is it not |
| 21:34.21 | azeem | karsten: he said sid->etch, not sarge |
| 21:34.51 | maddash | karsten, x.org. and I'm getting these funky squares on my screen. |
| 21:34.51 | karsten | azeem: Ah. |
| 21:34.51 | karsten | azeem: End answer still holds. |
| 21:34.51 | azeem | yep |
| 21:34.52 | karsten | Kuko: 10 days, less bugs. |
| 21:34.52 | Flimzy | plugwash__: I'll probably just have to try it and see what I can do. copying to another FS is going to be impractical, as this is going to be on a semi-embeded root filesystem |
| 21:34.53 | karsten | maddash: locale / font issues. |
| 21:34.56 | azeem | well, etch is frozen now |
| 21:34.58 | Kuko | it takes 10 days for things to go from sid - etch? |
| 21:34.58 | ctp | hi folks. i have to setup debian boxes (for zope hosting + development). my goal is to run them up on etch if etch is released. so how to setup them now? etch rc1 minimal install, "etch" or "testing" in sources.lst and if etch is released "apt-get dist-upgrade"? |
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| 21:35.00 | Supaplex | Kuko: etch = testing, and while it's frozen, it'll stay that way until release. |
| 21:35.08 | karsten | Kuko: at *least* 10 days. |
| 21:35.18 | deadcat | Supaplex: i guess it could be the kernel.release file.. it |
| 21:35.18 | Kuko | uhhh okay in my sources i have it listed as testing not etch.. |
| 21:35.25 | karsten | Kuko: Very high level security fixes excepted. |
| 21:35.25 | Kuko | So i should still be getting updates i would think.. |
| 21:35.30 | plugwash__ | right now nothing much new is hitting either testing or unstable |
| 21:35.30 | azeem | Kuko: yes |
| 21:35.35 | karsten | Kuko: testing ~= etch at present. |
| 21:35.41 | Guerin | azeem: oh, properly frozen? |
| 21:35.42 | karsten | Kuko: Read that releases factoid. |
| 21:35.57 | azeem | Guerin: yes, for a while now |
| 21:36.06 | plugwash__ | the release team stronly discourage uploads to unstable that aren't intended for etch |
| 21:36.08 | karsten | Kuko: ... and the links. See, we're repeating ourselves, which we don't like to do. |
| 21:36.12 | Guerin | azeem: mm, i heard conflicting statements about the depth of the freeze. |
| 21:36.15 | Kuko | So when etch is "released" i guess "testing" will get a new name? |
| 21:36.20 | azeem | Kuko: yes |
| 21:36.24 | karsten | Kuko: RTFF. |
| 21:36.27 | JohnGH | laters all |
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| 21:36.41 | Kuko | karsten: i did |
| 21:36.54 | karsten | Good |
| 21:36.56 | Kuko | Im just curious because i didnt think testing would ever be able to be "frozen" lol |
| 21:36.56 | plugwash__ | Kuko yes a copy of etch will be made called lenny and the links will be changed so that oldstable points at sarge, stable points at etch and testing points at lenny |
| 21:37.10 | Supaplex | !frozen |
| 21:37.10 | dpkg | i guess frozen is the state software resides in /before/ it becomes stable. Frozen means no new packages/features can be added, only bugs can be fixed. Frozen does /not/ mean stable. |
| 21:37.34 | Ronin | or what my feet felt like after walking home tonight |
| 21:37.45 | Supaplex | yes :) |
| 21:38.35 | Kuko | okay just to clarify http://pastebin.ca/313473 <-- thats my sources.list, I wont have to change anything to continue getting updates / being "testing"? |
| 21:38.47 | deadcat | my make-kpkg kernel fails, but make kernel works, heres the command i use: make-kpkg --append-to-version +${HOSTNAME}+${DATE}${OPTION} kernel_image modules_image kernel_headers VS. make vmlinux modules modules_install && strip vmlinux <-- what are the diff? |
| 21:39.11 | deadcat | i want to make make-kpkg kernel to work |
| 21:39.33 | Supaplex | deadcat: is make-kpkg failing because of something you've introduced? |
| 21:39.38 | maddash | deadcat, what's the error msg? |
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| 21:40.48 | deadcat | Supaplex: no. it builds the kernel. just that when it boots up it doesnt do anything after the kernel gets decompressed |
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| 21:41.16 | deadcat | maddash: Supaplex: sshonly.sytes.net/tmp/qube3/minicom.output <-- this is using .deb kernel |
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| 21:41.46 | karsten | Kuko: Yeah, you'll continue to pull packages from whatever's currently defined as "testing". That will roll over automatically at release. |
| 21:42.04 | karsten | Kuko: Expect to see a lot of changes on release day, then a steady stream. |
| 21:42.08 | deadcat | Supaplex: maybe its the make vmlinux and make-kpkg make bzImage or something? or the strip vmlinux command? |
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| 21:42.25 | Kuko | karsten: why would there be a lot of changes on release day?... just curious |
| 21:42.30 | Kuko | Im sure that *was* a stupid question |
| 21:42.33 | Kuko | But none the less |
| 21:42.40 | plugwash__ | Kuko that sources.list is what you want if you want to continue with the new testing after etch release, expect things to be pretty hectic in testing for a while after the release though |
| 21:42.44 | karsten | Kuko: Because the current unstable becomes the new stable. |
| 21:42.58 | plugwash__ | karsten er no |
| 21:43.06 | karsten | Kuko: ... and unstable *is* still being updated. |
| 21:43.11 | karsten | plugwash__: ? |
| 21:43.22 | plugwash__ | the current testing becomes stable and the new testing is a copy of it |
| 21:43.38 | maddash | deadcat, --initrd |
| 21:43.38 | Supaplex | deadcat: I'm starting to grasp the scope of alternate ARCH's. I'd manually extract the deb and see if it has a vmlinux target. What's in /boot ? |
| 21:43.50 | maddash | deadcat, you forgot --initrd for make-kpkg |
| 21:43.53 | karsten | plugwash__: ... so ten days after release? Regardless, there's going to be an update flood. |
| 21:44.00 | deadcat | maddash: AH!!!!!! |
| 21:44.15 | Kuko | So... the new testing will be called something else then. hmm i didnt think things updated like that in debian ^_^ |
| 21:44.24 | maddash | deadcat, :P it happens. fortunately, i had guerin and abrotman to help me through that one. |
| 21:44.32 | deadcat | maddash: i've been using that make-kpkg without --initrd for my desktop kernel and those worked fine |
| 21:44.34 | Supaplex | deadcat: yea, --initrd is good for init*fs :), but you'd atleast get a no fs panic on boot... you said it's not booting at all? |
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| 21:44.55 | Supaplex | well, the transcript shows it dies at second stage kernel decompressing. |
| 21:45.00 | maddash | deadcat, that's b/c they didn't use sata, probably |
| 21:45.03 | deadcat | Supaplex: it doesnt boot once the kernel gets uncompressed |
| 21:45.19 | maddash | deadcat, be sure to enable libata and ata-piix |
| 21:45.23 | plugwash__ | there will probablly be two floods, a small one when the freeze is lifted and anything stuck in unstable until then migrates, and a larger one 10 days after all the new uploads that the release team have been telling maintainers to hold back hit unstable |
| 21:45.31 | deadcat | maddash: i dont have sata.. |
| 21:45.40 | deadcat | so i should always include --initrd? |
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| 21:45.56 | Guerin | FUCKING reboot fixed it |
| 21:46.03 | Guerin | goddamn |
| 21:46.07 | Supaplex | test it with --initrd anyway and compare, but if it still fails, I'd see if it's making a normal or compressed kernel anyhow. |
| 21:46.08 | deadcat | reboot rocks |
| 21:46.15 | deadcat | Supaplex: k |
| 21:46.24 | enouf | !rebootsmite Guerin |
| 21:46.29 | enouf | :-P |
| 21:46.36 | Guerin | !qotd2 |
| 21:46.36 | dpkg | <mrvn> Broadcast message from root (Sat Aug 7 05:48:42 2004): <mrvn> The system is going down for system halt NOW! <mrvn> What the fuck is dselect/dpkg doing a reboot for? <trave11er> mrvn: for changes to take effect? ;-) <StevenK> mrvn: You *had* to move the mouse, didn't you? <mrvn> StevenK: damn, yes. I accidentally pushed it. |
| 21:46.39 | Supaplex | if it were stricly initrd, I'd expect 'kernel panic: no root filesystem ..." etc. |
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| 21:46.44 | raf256 | !qotd1 |
| 21:46.44 | dpkg | <Guerin> heh, I have a wife who, when not doing it herself, makes me do it |
| 21:46.54 | raf256 | .... |
| 21:46.54 | Guerin | f'sure |
| 21:47.27 | plugwash__ | note, afaict if you want to use a 2.6 kernel without an initrd then i belive you will have to manually set a fair bit of stuff to be compiled in even if your system is ide based |
| 21:47.39 | plugwash__ | i remember it taking me ages to find the right stuff last time i did it |
| 21:48.28 | maddash | deadcat, what's your compile time? |
| 21:49.04 | Guerin | mm, i might be breaking some networking rule here |
| 21:49.17 | Guerin | having two interfaces in the same range on the same box |
| 21:49.29 | Guerin | let's see what happens there |
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| 21:51.18 | Guerin | duh, stupid me |
| 21:52.01 | enouf | perhaps I'm way off (and my next question coming up shortly wil attest to that) .. but isn't it either a initramfs or a initrd generally? if building an initramfs, you should have initramfs-tools at the least .. I think one can also create/reconfigure their initrd using mkinitrd, or just dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-(whatever) .. but that's using a precompiled Debian kernel |
| 21:52.08 | utab | !install java |
| 21:52.08 | dpkg | well, install java is First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using etch/sid. |
| 21:52.23 | enouf | !tell utab about selftell |
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| 21:52.57 | karsten | enouf: intrd == inital ramdisk. ramfs == ram filesystem. Different things. No such thing as initramfs. |
| 21:53.20 | Flimzy | Is there a reason that the unionfs-tools package contains no tools? |
| 21:53.22 | karsten | enouf: See also cramfs which was older-style initrd filesystem. Nowadays a gzipped cpio archive (or other compression). |
| 21:53.34 | karsten | Flimzy: Communist plot? |
| 21:53.42 | deadcat | maddash: 1hour. |
| 21:53.45 | Flimzy | hehe, probably |
| 21:53.53 | maddash | deadcat, ouch. |
| 21:54.00 | deadcat | maddash: ya.. 800mhz |
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| 21:54.13 | deadcat | maddash: the qube3 is 300mhz. so i just do it on the desktop instead |
| 21:54.13 | karsten | Man, I hate Debian. |
| 21:54.17 | karsten | I really hate Debian. |
| 21:54.24 | Guerin | karsten: troll! |
| 21:54.28 | karsten | It makes me realize just how much RHEL *sucks*. |
| 21:54.35 | Guerin | <heh? |
| 21:54.36 | maddash | karsten, psht. |
| 21:54.41 | karmatro1ic | hi there |
| 21:54.42 | Guerin | s/?/> |
| 21:54.43 | enouf | karsten: hrm .. now i'm really confused .. ok .. allow me to ask this then; |
| 21:54.45 | enouf | What efficient way have you all found to view the kernel /Documentation, that happens to come in various txt.gz (et all , like c++, ugh) files .. should I just gunzip the whole kaboodle? (for viewing quickly in a fast browser such as links) .. or zless, zgrep, zcat them and view and search them in a console/xterm (similar to what i do with man pages now) |
| 21:54.50 | Flimzy | I guess it just doesn't have the tool I want... snapmerge |
| 21:55.15 | karsten | enouf: eval `lesspipe`; less foo.gz |
| 21:55.30 | karsten | enouf: ... stick that eval in ~/.bashrc for extra-lovin' goodness. |
| 21:55.31 | Supaplex | deadcat: does the load_addr ret_data in that boot transcript have anything to do with it? |
| 21:55.35 | enouf | console +1 || X 0 |
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| 21:55.53 | karsten | enouf: handlers for a lot of filetypes, including gz, bz2, and doc. |
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| 21:56.27 | enouf | currently I'm iusing links2 which is associated with ark .. which opens Konqui .. ugh |
| 21:56.27 | snowbird | wheen etch updated x crashes u need ssh to fix it |
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| 21:57.01 | karsten | So we've got this byzantine NFS + NIS + LDAP + Autofs heterogenous network here, and I'm looking at diag tools. Debian's "netdiag" package is sweet. Utils aren't available on RHEL4 AFAICT |
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| 21:57.09 | enouf | I've had to create and modify those assoc as well just to get them to work |
| 21:58.01 | scruffy | enouf: the package 'most' is also nice. |
| 21:58.07 | deadcat | Supaplex: i have no clue.. first time messing with a kernel for the qube3 which i just got on monday night. |
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| 21:58.26 | deadcat | Supaplex: its building with --initrd, if that works. we will know why. (= |
| 21:58.55 | Supaplex | spiffy. |
| 21:59.10 | enouf | scruffy: thanks .. is that X relate at all? |
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| 21:59.12 | Supaplex | I have some mips based SoC router thigies with usb support. |
| 21:59.32 | enouf | related* |
| 21:59.33 | scruffy | enouf: Depends: libc6 (>= 2.3.5-1), libslang2 (>= 2.0.1-1) |
| 21:59.36 | oFF-beAt | i'm having a sound problem |
| 21:59.42 | karsten | !sound |
| 21:59.43 | dpkg | it has been said that sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa one-liner>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
| 21:59.45 | karsten | !tell oFF-beAt about ask |
| 21:59.52 | oFF-beAt | !sound |
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| 22:00.04 | Supaplex | deadcat: after I'm clear on how it's all cobbled together, I'll add some debian notes on how to debianize the little buggers. :) |
| 22:00.09 | karsten | oFF-beAt: /msg the bots please. |
| 22:00.21 | enouf | Most is a paging program that displays, one windowful at a time, the |
| 22:00.21 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:00.41 | Supaplex | !worship the holycow |
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| 22:00.50 | Supaplex | haha :) |
| 22:00.51 | enouf | console == +2 || X == 0 |
| 22:01.03 | holycow | hullo Supaplex ! |
| 22:01.07 | karsten | enouf: Um, what are you doing? |
| 22:01.14 | enouf | counting :-) |
| 22:01.22 | malverian | How do I change the domain name portion of my FQDN on Debian? I was able to set it in the Etch install procedure, but how do I change it? |
| 22:01.27 | enouf | keeping score karsten |
| 22:01.28 | deadcat | Supaplex: you have a cobalt too? |
| 22:01.47 | karsten | enouf: test for /tmp/.X<nn>-lock |
| 22:02.25 | Supaplex | deadcat: no, the routers are soho based. |
| 22:02.25 | deadcat | ah |
| 22:02.26 | karsten | enouf: Looking for an empty console or X display? |
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| 22:02.26 | Guerin | malverian: edit /etc/hostname |
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| 22:02.42 | Pc_Dark | How do i stsart webmin |
| 22:02.43 | malverian | Guerin, I'm pretty sure /etc/hostname is only supposed to be the short part of your FQDN. |
| 22:02.44 | Pc_Dark | after I apt-get it |
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| 22:02.50 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Don't. |
| 22:02.53 | holycow | weird, i'm trying to have a few apps startup simultaneously from a script and they take forever to startup. when i click a link of course they start right away |
| 22:02.53 | karsten | !webmin |
| 22:02.53 | dpkg | hmm... webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 22:02.54 | holycow | odd |
| 22:03.02 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Uninstall it. |
| 22:03.05 | Guerin | malverian: other things, like /etc/mailname and /etc/hosts* might also need changed; rgrep domain.name /etc is the way to find it |
| 22:03.14 | Pc_Dark | why |
| 22:03.17 | Pc_Dark | what's so wrong with it |
| 22:03.17 | Guerin | malverian: oh, right you are. |
| 22:03.19 | karsten | holycow: No $DISPLAY set? |
| 22:03.21 | streuner | !d-i holycow |
| 22:03.21 | dpkg | holycow, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 22:03.23 | karmatro1ic | malverian: use /etc/hosts |
| 22:03.26 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Read above. |
| 22:03.34 | dooglus | nvz: thanks for the help. you were right that the kernels devs had moved the options around. |
| 22:03.35 | Pc_Dark | security problems |
| 22:03.39 | Pc_Dark | just tell me how to start it |
| 22:03.39 | streuner | holycow: ;-) |
| 22:03.44 | karsten | Pc_Dark: It breaks stuff, it's unmaintained, it's deprecated by its developer (I think(). |
| 22:03.49 | karsten | Pc_Dark: ... and it kills kittens. |
| 22:03.52 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Nope. |
| 22:03.52 | malverian | Gotcha.. it does a reverse dns lookup (just saw that using ltrace) |
| 22:04.07 | holycow | streuner, thankies but that sounds like its for someone else :) |
| 22:04.07 | holycow | hehe |
| 22:04.09 | malverian | it does gethostbyname("<short hostname>") |
| 22:04.14 | malverian | And then splits out the domain part. |
| 22:04.14 | holycow | karsten, *hmm* nope, let me look that up |
| 22:04.22 | streuner | holycow: ;-) |
| 22:04.22 | malverian | karmatro1ic, Guerin, thanks |
| 22:04.30 | enouf | karsten: I certainly have a /tmp/.X0-lock file .. but I'm just trying to figure how best to quickly and efficiently view/search/read/browse all these darned .gz files that make up the kernel's /Documentation |
| 22:04.38 | Pc_Dark | I purged it.. |
| 22:04.44 | karsten | enouf: lesspipe. Already told you. |
| 22:04.53 | karsten | Pc_Dark: Good. |
| 22:05.24 | enouf | karsten: ok .. will try it out .. thanks .. just keeping score .. awaiting fiurther opinions |
| 22:05.48 | Supaplex | enouf: zcat, lesspipe + less, lynx, find path/ -name \*.gz -print0 | xargs -0 gunzip (to decompress them, mangles package management a little) |
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| 22:08.28 | enouf | Supaplex: thanks .. |
| 22:08.38 | enouf | console == +3 || X == 0 |
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| 22:09.08 | philuk86 | Are there any debian helpers for handling hardlinks in packages when upstream devs use hard links in the source tree? |
| 22:09.43 | nvz | dooglus: yeah they do that kind of thing.. there was this joke about how many kernel devs it took to screw in a lightbulb.. ever heard that one? |
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| 22:11.32 | me_here | yeah yeah yeah i'll give it hard to you |
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| 22:12.22 | plugwash__ | philuk86 what problem exactly are theese hardlinks causing? |
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| 22:12.22 | karsten | nvz: Share. |
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| 22:12.55 | lex | Yo children... anyone has had trouble delivering to hotmail.com MXs this year? |
| 22:12.57 | lex | New trouble |
| 22:13.03 | lex | Like ... rogue 500 messages and such |
| 22:13.21 | Guerin | lex: nope. |
| 22:13.31 | karsten | lex: Not specifically of late. They're constantly tweaking their antispam configs. |
| 22:13.31 | philuk86 | plugwash_: when running debuild i get errors like cannot represent changes to source new version is symlink, old version isnt |
| 22:14.02 | lex | Im getting a 500 right after my from ... it sends me to postmaster.msn.com |
| 22:14.18 | karsten | lex: Check your originating IP against DNSBLs. |
| 22:14.32 | karsten | lex: If it's only in SORBs, and that's returning, it's hotmail's problem. |
| 22:14.33 | Guerin | http://postmaster.msn.com/Troubleshooting.aspx |
| 22:14.43 | karsten | lex: SORBs is dead. |
| 22:15.13 | karsten | lex: What's the 500 text? |
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| 22:15.57 | lex | 550 Command rejected for policy reasons. For troubleshooting information, go to http://postmaster.msn.com |
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| 22:16.14 | lex | But... its only today that it started happening. And im pretty shure i havent changed a thing. |
| 22:16.33 | Guerin | lex: got rdns? |
| 22:16.36 | lex | I got cold feet... thought perhaps MS is implementing some crazy antispam scheme |
| 22:16.39 | lex | yep |
| 22:16.44 | Guerin | lex: and did you check the blacklists like the man said? |
| 22:16.50 | lex | Guerin: shure do... just tested it... it resolves to another domain though |
| 22:17.06 | Guerin | lex: well, that could be it. |
| 22:17.27 | Guerin | normally they should state the explicit reason in the 550, though |
| 22:17.41 | lex | Im about to check against sorbs |
| 22:17.42 | karsten | lex: Go to a multiDNSBL test site and Check your IP space against Senderbase.org. Last guy who turnee up here with a similar complaint had got hsiself p0wn34d and was spewing cheap rolex spam. |
| 22:18.24 | lex | Although, if it was a list, tipically they should tell me which one |
| 22:18.24 | karsten | lex: SORBs is dead. |
| 22:18.25 | lex | karsten: will so that |
| 22:18.48 | karsten | leWich means either it isn't returning at all or it's returning consistently one result. If MSN are still testing SORBs and blocking on the basis of it, then *they* are fscking up. Otherwise the problem is you. |
| 22:18.54 | karsten | lex: Bullshit. |
| 22:18.59 | nvz | karsten: Peter Wayner's "Free For All ..." pg. 118 "Open Source and Lightbulbs" actually it was open source devs in general but it applies just the same. question was "How many open source developers does it take to change a lightbulb?" |
| 22:19.00 | karsten | lex: All they should do is deny your message. Which they've done. |
| 22:19.04 | Flimzy | How can I learn what options a specific filesystem takes as arguments to mount -o, if the FS is not mentioned in the man page? |
| 22:19.23 | lex | karsten: true true... although when i reject, i shure tellem why |
| 22:20.04 | karsten | lex: Your prerogative. However it gives spammers information. |
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| 22:20.07 | debianite | hello |
| 22:20.13 | karsten | Flimzy: What FS? |
| 22:20.13 | debianite | i need help |
| 22:20.16 | dooglus | nvz: no, I never heard that one. the setting I had to use to get my SATA drive working was "CONFIG_ATA_PIIX=m" - no mention of 'SATA' in it... |
| 22:20.18 | Flimzy | karsten: unionfs |
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| 22:21.14 | lex | shit |
| 22:21.16 | lex | im in cbl |
| 22:21.18 | karsten | Flimzy: LKML |
| 22:21.19 | lex | thanks karsten |
| 22:21.32 | Flimzy | karsten: unionfs isn't part of the linux kernel, tho |
| 22:21.33 | t3dk | hey, is there any scripts (php, etc) where i can make an upload page with apache2, like when you browse to upload something |
| 22:21.34 | nvz | karsten: "the answer is: 17. 17 to argue about the license; 17 to argue about the brain-deadedness of the lightbulb architecture; 17 to argue about a new model that encompasses all models of illumination and makes it simple to replace candles, campfires, pilot lights, and skylights with the same easy-to-extend mechanism; 17 to speculate about the secretive idustiral conspiracy that ensures that lightbulbs will burn out frequently, 1 to finally |
| 22:21.40 | debianite | i don't have xorgconfig nor xf86config |
| 22:21.44 | nvz | dooglus: ^^ |
| 22:21.56 | Guerin | t3dk: zillions, mostly amazingly insecure |
| 22:22.06 | karmatronic | debianite: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:22.14 | debianite | i search packages.debian.org for packages containing those files and surprinsingly nothing is found!! |
| 22:22.15 | debianite | how come? |
| 22:22.29 | debianite | what package should i reinstall to have xorgconfig or xf86config? |
| 22:22.39 | Guerin | debianite: never use those. Broken. |
| 22:22.44 | dooglus | nvz: was it part of the joke that you left it half unfinished? |
| 22:22.45 | oFF-beAt | m new to debian.. how do i load the sound driver.. it says OSS and ALSA installed.. but no driver is loaded |
| 22:22.45 | karmatronic | debianite: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 22:22.51 | debianite | broken? |
| 22:22.52 | t3dk | hey, is there any scripts (php, etc) for apache2 where i can make an upload page like when you browse to upload something |
| 22:22.56 | t3dk | is there any? |
| 22:22.57 | Guerin | t3dk: zillions, mostly amazingly insecure |
| 22:23.10 | t3dk | oh |
| 22:23.12 | nvz | dooglus: my client might have cut it off where did it leave off? |
| 22:23.14 | t3dk | didn't see that |
| 22:23.42 | dooglus | frequently, 1 to finally |
| 22:24.04 | nvz | karsten, dooglus: change the light bulb,; and 16 who decide that this solution is good enough for the time being. |
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| 22:25.08 | dooglus | nvz: sounds like some other projects :) |
| 22:25.22 | nvz | dooglus: yeah it was said about open source developer in general |
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| 22:26.04 | debianite | Guerin, what did you mean, xorgconfig and xf86config are broken or the packages search engine for files? |
| 22:26.31 | Guerin | debianite: those tools are broken for debian |
| 22:26.45 | Guerin | debianite: ie: they break debian's configurator. |
| 22:26.50 | Guerin | so don't use them. |
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| 22:27.09 | Guerin | unless you feel like unbreaking the configurator |
| 22:27.16 | nvz | dooglus: the book was a decent read.. I wouldnt really recommend it to someone who is already involved in using or developing FOSS, but its good for outsiders to get a general idea of what its all about |
| 22:27.28 | dooglus | nvz: the main thing is that my wireless access is working again - so that's good. now... if only I could get the middle speaker working :) |
| 22:28.10 | nvz | mostly just because someone already involved should have better things to spend their time reading |
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| 22:29.39 | Flimzy | blah. I cannot figure out how to use unionfs as root |
| 22:29.59 | blondie | onionfs |
| 22:31.32 | nvz | heh |
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| 22:32.17 | karsten | nvz: Too true to be funny. |
| 22:33.02 | karsten | Flimzy: Then find the appropriate developer forum and look there (unionfs). |
| 22:33.06 | enouf | !tell debianite about setup x |
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| 22:35.33 | lex | karsten: why is sorbs dead? |
| 22:35.50 | lex | Cause... people are still using it |
| 22:36.13 | karmatronic | lex: you mean you...are stil using it.. |
| 22:36.15 | enouf | sherbert tastes better? |
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| 22:36.30 | me_here | karsten you moron |
| 22:36.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 22:36.53 | plugwash__ | Flimzy i'm not sure that you can use it as root, however what you can definately do is have a ramdrive as root and then symlink most stuff into the unionfs |
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| 22:37.01 | lex | karmatronic: okay okay... and it still seems to work |
| 22:37.05 | lex | So whats the alternative |
| 22:37.07 | plugwash__ | i think that is how knoppix uses it as effectively root |
| 22:37.12 | Guerin | lex: no blacklists at all |
| 22:37.47 | lex | Guerin: hum... for example, urbls like spamassessin? |
| 22:37.47 | Flimzy | plugwash__: Hmm. |
| 22:38.07 | Flimzy | plugwash__: I suppose that makes sense. |
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| 22:38.36 | karmatronic | lex: just a joke , dont know what sorbs is |
| 22:38.45 | Guerin | lex: Blacklisting by IP range is wrong. Use only blacklists you can personally verify. |
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| 22:39.44 | enouf | Flimzy: something for review? http://www.danix.cz/about/danix-modules/danix-modules |
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| 22:40.19 | behuter | i have debian etch and when i try to view flash in my webbrowser, the print doesn't show up, is this a font issue? |
| 22:40.48 | Flimzy | enouf: interesting |
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| 22:41.16 | enouf | yeah .. ran into someone .. they have their own channel too .. and were very friendly .. fwiw |
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| 22:44.01 | Flimzy | Would it be possible to mount /dev/hda1 "under" the initramfs using unionfs? |
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| 22:44.48 | Guerin | behuter: guess so. |
| 22:44.56 | debianite | man: command not found |
| 22:44.59 | debianite | what am i missing? |
| 22:45.06 | Flimzy | debianite: man :) |
| 22:45.16 | debianite | and the package is? |
| 22:45.22 | Flimzy | debianite: apt-cache search man |
| 22:45.37 | karmatronic | debianite: maybe which man as root first.... |
| 22:45.39 | karsten | Flimzy: You can pretty much mount anything anywhere. |
| 22:45.48 | debianite | man-db |
| 22:45.49 | debianite | ok |
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| 22:45.55 | Flimzy | karsten: Well I wasn't able to mount /dev/ram0 "on top" of / |
| 22:45.59 | debianite | isn't it manpages? |
| 22:46.06 | maddash | where's deadcat? |
| 22:46.16 | Guerin | dead |
| 22:46.18 | maddash | Supaplex, did deadcat get his kernel working |
| 22:46.20 | plugwash__ | Flimzy sure, you'd mount hda1 on say /backing an empty tmpfs on /changes and then unionfs them together on say /union in your initrd |
| 22:46.23 | Flimzy | karsten: It's hard to mount anything on / when / is already mounted... and / is pretty well always mounted. |
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| 22:46.32 | konekostar | yey |
| 22:46.48 | karsten | Flimzy: see "pretty much": ;-) |
| 22:46.49 | Flimzy | plugwash__: Can you mount /backing before / is mounted, tho? |
| 22:46.56 | konekostar | im fighting cencorship at work!!! |
| 22:47.11 | debianite | findkyemap: file or directory not found |
| 22:47.14 | Guerin | konekostar: censorship? |
| 22:47.15 | debianite | cannnot openfile es |
| 22:47.17 | konekostar | doswindow>ftp>putty>screen>irssi>here |
| 22:47.20 | debianite | i get this when i do loadkeys es |
| 22:47.22 | PaSurf | I am having trouble installing sarge rc4. After the install it reboots, then gives me a screen that says the system is trying to boot off the cdrom then it tries to boot off the c: drive then just hangs... any ideas on what is happening? |
| 22:47.27 | plugwash__ | well / will be pointing to your initial ramdrive and stay that way |
| 22:47.42 | Guerin | konekostar: your work's network admin is either incompetent, or wants you to irc |
| 22:47.42 | deadcat | maddash: let me reboot now.. the dpkg -i kernel.deb gve lot of errors. but the files are in /boot |
| 22:47.43 | plugwash__ | and then you make symlinks from your ramdrive / into your unionfs |
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| 22:47.49 | Guerin | konekostar: otherwise he would have prevented it |
| 22:47.58 | konekostar | i need a standalone proggie for winddows so i can setup a ssl connection between here and my server so i can run local proxy |
| 22:48.01 | Guerin | or, unlikely, she |
| 22:48.02 | konekostar | Guerin: incompetent |
| 22:48.07 | Flimzy | plugwash__: So I'll tell the initramfs not to mount a root fs, right? Then do all that 'manually' in a script? |
| 22:48.08 | konekostar | and i told him i was gonna :> |
| 22:48.21 | plugwash__ | Flimzy yeah |
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| 22:48.24 | konekostar | he doesnt care and gives me hints |
| 22:48.39 | konekostar | but wont close or open anything except as requested.. |
| 22:48.40 | konekostar | lol |
| 22:48.45 | Flimzy | plugwash__: Fun. now to figure out how to configure initramfs like that :) |
| 22:48.46 | Guerin | that's not incompetent |
| 22:48.48 | konekostar | he's on my msn :> |
| 22:48.49 | Guerin | that's wanting you to irc |
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| 22:48.55 | konekostar | basically |
| 22:49.12 | deadcat | maddash: failed... make-kpkg kernel fails.. |
| 22:49.18 | konekostar | ssh -L 3128:127.0.0.1:3128 user@pass |
| 22:49.20 | maddash | deadcat, what errors? |
| 22:49.26 | konekostar | i wanna do like so to server from windows so i can be freez |
| 22:49.27 | maddash | deadcat, I meant dpkg |
| 22:49.33 | karsten | Flimzy: initrd *is* / when it's mounted. pivot_root changes the root filesystem. |
| 22:49.48 | PaSurf | I am having trouble installing sarge rc4. After the install it reboots, then gives me a screen that says the system is trying to boot off the cdrom then it tries to boot off the c: drive then just hangs... any ideas on what is happening? |
| 22:49.52 | maddash | omg someone put grounded glass in my noodles! |
| 22:49.54 | konekostar | so i was wondering if i might get a tad bit o help? |
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| 22:50.05 | blondie | PaSurf: sarge rc4?!?!?! |
| 22:50.08 | deadcat | maddash: the install stuff.. because i dont have lilo or grub |
| 22:50.11 | konekostar | i would be satisfied with making cli browser remotely work with images |
| 22:50.15 | Flimzy | karsten: can pivot_root be run on a live system? |
| 22:50.15 | karsten | konekostar: ssh |
| 22:50.20 | konekostar | and javascript so i can check emails etc |
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| 22:50.26 | konekostar | karsten: eh? for windows? |
| 22:50.30 | karsten | Flimzy: Think about it. it already is. |
| 22:50.31 | debianite | why isn't my keyboard working properly on tty? it works in X |
| 22:50.32 | konekostar | it has to be standalone i cant install |
| 22:50.33 | blondie | PaSurf: you're using a pre-release version of stable? |
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| 22:50.36 | maddash | what's the err on the kernel? same thing? |
| 22:50.37 | debianite | what do i need to do? loadkeys? |
| 22:50.37 | Flimzy | karsten: I am thinking about it :) |
| 22:50.49 | Flimzy | karsten: the initrd/initramfs is typically read-only |
| 22:50.55 | karsten | Flimzy: The original precursor could only be run once in a boot session. |
| 22:50.55 | karmatronic | debianite: dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 22:51.04 | Flimzy | karsten: And the pivot bit would be done at a low runlevel |
| 22:51.05 | karsten | Flimzy: Now it can be run an arbitrary number of times. |
| 22:51.07 | PaSurf | sorry, just sarge.... |
| 22:51.18 | Flimzy | karsten: doing that on a fully booted system could (potentially) be entirely different. |
| 22:51.34 | karsten | Flimzy: There's some really interesting docs on initrds and the whole development process covering this, ran into 'em a while back. |
| 22:51.50 | konekostar | basically i noticed that on my home system which runs teh wonderful nix i can use cli browser to see pix and all but logging into server i cannot :/ |
| 22:51.58 | PaSurf | blondie: sarge 31r4 |
| 22:52.03 | Flimzy | karsten: If you know of a URL, I'd love to see them. I've been googling, and only finding snippets of useful info here and there |
| 22:52.17 | karsten | Flimzy: Each process runs in its own rootfs context. |
| 22:52.17 | konekostar | and i definately do not wanna install X on server [ @ karsten and Guerin |
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| 22:52.22 | karsten | Flimzy: Long time ago. |
| 22:52.31 | karsten | Flimzy: ... well, about a year ago. |
| 22:52.48 | Flimzy | hehe |
| 22:52.52 | deadcat | maddash: guess i will just have to stick with make vmlinux for now. |
| 22:52.59 | konekostar | so karsten this ssh for windows: is it standalone?> or do i gotta get something like openssh |
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| 22:53.07 | Guerin | deadcat: why did make-kpkg fail? |
| 22:53.19 | Flimzy | there is no man page for pivot_root (which seems to violate the Debian filesystem standard) |
| 22:53.22 | PaSurf | I am having trouble installing sarge 3.1 r4. After the install it reboots, then gives me a screen that says the system is trying to boot off the cdrom then it tries to boot off the c: drive then just hangs... any ideas on what is happening? |
| 22:53.37 | maddash | deadcat, what's the err?? |
| 22:53.38 | Flimzy | oh n/m |
| 22:53.42 | Flimzy | I removed man-db on that machine |
| 22:54.16 | Flimzy | karsten: It looks like pivot_root only works for the current process ?? |
| 22:54.18 | deadcat | Guerin: no. the kernel built from make-kpkg failed to boot on the cobalt |
| 22:54.22 | deadcat | maddash: no errors |
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| 22:54.29 | Guerin | deadcat: mm. |
| 22:54.35 | Guerin | wacky |
| 22:54.39 | deadcat | maddash: just dont move after uncompressing |
| 22:54.40 | deadcat | ya. |
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| 22:54.53 | me_here | hr hr |
| 22:54.53 | karsten | Flimzy: ... and children. |
| 22:55.10 | Flimzy | karsten: So I need to have init run that during boot... so it can't really be done on a live system |
| 22:55.12 | maddash | deadcat, this is etch, rah? |
| 22:55.15 | deadcat | Guerin: i use make vmlinux instead of make bzImage, strip vmlinux && bzip2 vmlinux to get vmlinux.bz2 |
| 22:55.22 | deadcat | maddash: sarge |
| 22:55.45 | karsten | Flimzy: Sec. Busy. |
| 22:55.51 | Guerin | deadcat: you can probably haxx0r make-kpkg to do that |
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| 22:55.59 | enouf | !tell debianite about console-data |
| 22:56.07 | enouf | heh |
| 22:56.09 | deadcat | Guerin: will do.. |
| 22:56.44 | debianite | (EE) AIGLX: ScreeN 0 is not DRI capable |
| 22:56.49 | debianite | how can i disable this error? |
| 22:57.44 | me_here | lick my dick stoned! |
| 22:57.56 | blondie | me_here: die |
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| 22:58.26 | me_here | long live the new blondie hr hr hr |
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| 22:58.41 | jello | konekostar: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/ |
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| 22:59.04 | me_here | fuckster |
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| 22:59.54 | karsten | !ops me_here trolling |
| 22:59.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: me_here trolling |
| 23:00.09 | me_here | poor karsten |
| 23:00.12 | me_here | lol |
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| 23:00.24 | Oliver_ | i have a possibly very silly kerel cpuinfo question for anyone thats alive, got a machine that reads siblings 2, and 2 CPUs listed, cpus are Xeon 2.8s |
| 23:00.26 | karsten | !beer petemc |
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| 23:00.29 | ZagrebA | Jan 12 01:04:58 findus pppd[3270]: MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2] auth not performed. |
| 23:00.29 | karsten | !beer peterS |
| 23:00.34 | ZagrebA | how can i fix that? |
| 23:00.37 | karsten | !beer on the house |
| 23:00.49 | sudo_maddash | did I get disconnected? |
| 23:00.51 | Oliver_ | do you know if thats 2 physical units, or one HT core? |
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| 23:00.56 | Flimzy | time to go home |
| 23:01.06 | PaSurf | I have installed Debian Sarge r4 no problems. The system is configured with raid 1 for boot and raid 5 for rest (hardware raid) After the installation, the disk ejects, and system reboots. Then system starts to load and at top of screen says "attempting boot from cd-rom" and "attempting boot from hard drive (c:)" with flashing cursor . |
| 23:01.12 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, modprobe ppp_mppe |
| 23:01.24 | karmatronic | or ZagrebA , or probably recompile kernel for mppe support |
| 23:01.39 | enouf | debianite: try dpkg-reconfigure console-data for your tty issues .. though who knows .. also .. /msg dpkg xmodmap |
| 23:01.50 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: i did modprobe ppp_mppe but same error (the modprobe had no errors) |
| 23:02.03 | Oliver_ | PaSurf: sounds like the boot loader didn't get installed properly, which afaik is grub |
| 23:02.11 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, but you have ppp_mppe module right ? |
| 23:02.15 | enouf | !tell debianite about testing borks |
| 23:02.24 | konekostar | jello: yeah i got putty thats how im here atm |
| 23:02.25 | plugwash__ | PaSurf are we talking high quality hardware raid, linux software raid or cheap onboard desktop raid here |
| 23:02.26 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: it is a standard kernel |
| 23:02.31 | PaSurf | Oliver_: afaik? |
| 23:02.35 | Oliver_ | PaSurf: as far as i know |
| 23:02.48 | karmatronic | but when you do modprobe ppp_mppe , it s loaded or not ? |
| 23:02.48 | sudo_maddash | where'd amphi go? |
| 23:03.04 | azeem | sudo_maddash: people aren't on 24/7, deal with it |
| 23:03.11 | PaSurf | plugwash__: System is a Proliant DL 385. I think the HBA is a smartarray 6i |
| 23:03.16 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: findus:/etc/ppp# modprobe ppp_mppe |
| 23:03.16 | ZagrebA | findus:/etc/ppp# |
| 23:03.28 | Oliver_ | will be a 6i, i knows that much! |
| 23:03.29 | karmatronic | y dmesg ? |
| 23:03.38 | sudo_maddash | azeem, I was being cheeky, deal with it :D |
| 23:03.41 | war | plugwash__: SW raid rules |
| 23:03.43 | konekostar | i just dont know how to login how i need to using ssh -L port user@ip |
| 23:03.47 | PaSurf | Oliver_: At end, it asked if I wanted to load GRUB and I selected yes... I installed then ejected the CD and rebooted... |
| 23:03.50 | konekostar | er or close to that |
| 23:03.50 | war | plugwash__: I just found a tweak that increases performnce by 4 times |
| 23:03.59 | war | plugwash__: I get 195 megabytes per second write (4 raptor 150s) |
| 23:04.02 | war | plugwash__: and 165MB/s read |
| 23:04.06 | azeem | sudo_maddash: you've been asking it a couple of times now, so I thought I'd help |
| 23:04.11 | konekostar | i need to map the ssl line im opening to local port O: unless there is a putty tunneling tool jello ? |
| 23:04.16 | war | plugwash__: raid0 is 317MB/s write and 297MB/s read |
| 23:04.25 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: any ideas? |
| 23:04.27 | PaSurf | Funny thing is I have installed sarge on this machine many times before with no problems.. I did a scan on the hw to see if anything was not working and scan showed no problems... |
| 23:04.31 | karmatronic | konekostar, putty can run tunnels |
| 23:04.33 | jello | konekostar: plink |
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| 23:04.58 | karmatronic | jello, plink is just an ssh client in msdoc console |
| 23:05.08 | sudo_maddash | azeem, yeah, it's my ocd kicking up again |
| 23:05.10 | karmatronic | jello, of course with tunneling support |
| 23:05.12 | PaSurf | I just really don't know where to start as far as trouble shooting this issue. I have reconfigured the hardware raid twice with same results |
| 23:05.17 | jello | karmatronic: yes, exactly |
| 23:05.31 | jello | karmatronic: therefore scriptable... |
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| 23:05.39 | ZagrebA | Hello im trying to connect to a pptp server that requires pptpd but i get this error: Jan 12 01:04:58 findus pppd[3270]: MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2] auth not performed. |
| 23:05.44 | konekostar | @_@ sorry im good enough to use the normal putty.exe as window to server but eh? karmatronic kay how plz? jello plink? wazzat? |
| 23:05.48 | ZagrebA | requires mppe* |
| 23:05.51 | sudo_maddash | azeem, funny, though, b/c if you'd seen me ask "couple of times," that would imply that you'd been on all day... |
| 23:05.53 | konekostar | sorry if i sound a bit stupid >_< |
| 23:05.58 | jello | konekostar: you can use putty if you like |
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| 23:06.08 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, use pptplinux to configure your pptp connection |
| 23:06.28 | konekostar | jello: .exe ? |
| 23:06.30 | azeem | sudo_maddash: or know how to use logfiles, yes |
| 23:06.35 | jello | konekostar: just configure the tunned in Connection>SSH>Tunnels |
| 23:06.43 | jello | s/tunned/tunnel/ |
| 23:06.49 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: ? |
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| 23:07.17 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, check /etc/ppp/options.pptp |
| 23:07.18 | konekostar | oooooooooooooooo i never saw that before will look awesome thanx |
| 23:07.33 | jello | np |
| 23:07.39 | sudo_maddash | azeem, psht...you didn't/wouldn't search for my past queries... |
| 23:08.19 | debianite | (EE) AIGLX: ScreeN 0 is not DRI capable |
| 23:08.28 | debianite | what should i enable/disable to fix this? |
| 23:08.31 | konekostar | hehe this is awesome calling for refi's [mortgages] ircing and soon to be browsing !! |
| 23:08.32 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: ye for what? |
| 23:08.35 | anapivirtua | Night |
| 23:08.56 | jello | debianite: did you check google? |
| 23:09.11 | azeem | debianite: you need to get DRI/DRM running first |
| 23:09.27 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, require-mppe-128 |
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| 23:09.41 | ZagrebA | i have that one karmatronic |
| 23:09.51 | Guerin | konekostar: gods, you're a telemarketer? |
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| 23:10.57 | konekostar | Guerin: lol |
| 23:11.27 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, noauth ? |
| 23:11.27 | konekostar | ive been one for like a decade... tho this isnt as much telemarketing as the other jobs |
| 23:11.37 | sudo_maddash | (ee) what card? ati radeon? using fglrx driver? |
| 23:11.57 | sudo_maddash | debhelper, what card? ati radeon? using fglrx driver? |
| 23:12.03 | sudo_maddash | debianite, what card? ati radeon? using fglrx driver? |
| 23:12.11 | sudo_maddash | debhelper, sry, tab key going wacko |
| 23:12.12 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: ? should i have noauth in options.ppp? |
| 23:12.20 | sudo_maddash | yay finally |
| 23:12.32 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, i do have it in mine so possibly yes |
| 23:12.46 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, worth trying it |
| 23:12.52 | debianite | azeem: how do i get dri/drm running then? |
| 23:12.53 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: doesnt change anything |
| 23:13.02 | Guerin | konekostar: i wouldn't go advertising your job] |
| 23:13.20 | azeem | debianite: that's a different problem |
| 23:13.38 | azeem | hopefully somebody can help you with that, as I'm going to bed now |
| 23:13.38 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, refuse-eap |
| 23:13.42 | enouf | PaSurf: curiously, what's with this C: error .. had(has) Windows? |
| 23:13.44 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, refuse-chap |
| 23:13.59 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, and if it doesnt work ,refuse-mschap |
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| 23:14.56 | PaSurf | enouf: Never had windows. System came from HP with no system. I am really not sure why but nothing during the install leads me to believe the system did not install ok |
| 23:14.58 | enouf | debianite: glxinfo | grep -i dri says what? |
| 23:15.03 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: okay |
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| 23:15.12 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: but see this: |
| 23:15.15 | ZagrebA | No auth is possible |
| 23:15.18 | ZagrebA | sent [LCP ConfAck id=0x2 <asyncmap 0x0> <magic 0x16e91503> <pcomp> <accomp>] |
| 23:15.18 | ZagrebA | sent [LCP EchoReq id=0x0 magic=0xf621ba07] |
| 23:15.19 | ZagrebA | MPPE required, but MS-CHAP[v2] auth not performed. |
| 23:15.34 | PaSurf | enouf: exacts error is "Attempting Boot from Hard Drive (c:)" |
| 23:15.39 | cwheeler | I installed the debian xemacs package and xemacs complains it's missing fonts when it starts, anyone know what I need to install? |
| 23:15.41 | PaSurf | exact... |
| 23:15.44 | enouf | PaSurf: hrm .. does your BIOS prehaps need to know which HDD (Controller) to look for to Boot? |
| 23:15.58 | PaSurf | enouf |
| 23:15.58 | maddash | debianite, in xorg.conf, add " OPTION 'COMPOSITE' 'false' " |
| 23:16.05 | PaSurf | enouf: not sure |
| 23:16.09 | enouf | PaSurf: see that (C:) is just plain weird |
| 23:16.30 | maddash | debianite, and be sure that your fglrx.ko is loaded |
| 23:16.31 | enouf | PaSurf: did the HDDs come New .. or you recycling :-) |
| 23:16.32 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: sent [LCP TermReq id=0x2 "MPPE required but not available"] |
| 23:17.02 | PaSurf | enouf: I went into the hp system setup (live cd) and configured the array.. We always do new.... ;) |
| 23:17.08 | konekostar | Guerin: lol |
| 23:17.12 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, do modprobe ppp_mppe and then dmesg |
| 23:17.17 | konekostar | why woudlnt you |
| 23:17.25 | enouf | PaSurf: aha! .. I new it |
| 23:17.30 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, or lsmod | grep mppe |
| 23:17.39 | enouf | not that I have the answer to fix it PaSurf |
| 23:17.39 | PaSurf | enouf: The system had sarge before and the disks where set up the same way.... No problems with install... |
| 23:17.51 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: ppp_mppe 11528 0 |
| 23:17.51 | ZagrebA | ppp_generic 33952 2 ppp_mppe,ppp_async |
| 23:18.20 | Supaplex | maddash: not sure if deadcat got his kernel working, but he's here. (yay nick complete). =-) And, I just scored 10 3meter fiber channel cables for my cards at $4.10 ea :) |
| 23:18.24 | enouf | hrm.. |
| 23:18.42 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, you re trying to connect to a widnows server running PPTP right ? |
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| 23:19.01 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: no a linux pptp, im trying to connect to the swedish relakks project. |
| 23:19.03 | konekostar | Guerin: i take as much pride at doing an awesome job here as i bet anyone does anywhere else... |
| 23:19.25 | PaSurf | enouf: I think I may have to go into the bios and check, then maybe run the livecd from HP again to double double check... I noticed there was another person some time ago with a similar issue in the google groups.. But it was with woody, but the issue was on a hp (but a desktop) |
| 23:19.32 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, what s that ? |
| 23:19.43 | katabatic | SOMEBODY please help me figure out why it's not connecting to the router with DHCP automatically on boot, on wired network. I can tell it to connect manually, and it connects, but not automatically at boot! I installed some packages, and it stopped working, and I don't quite remember what. |
| 23:19.44 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: www.relakks.com, but it's a pptp server. |
| 23:19.47 | maddash | Supaplex, yeah, I heard from him before...same error with the boot stopping abruptly. also, nice going with the cables...what cards? |
| 23:19.55 | PaSurf | enouf: similar, but not similar.... |
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| 23:20.22 | Supaplex | maddash: 02:04.0 Fibre Channel: Emulex Corporation LP8000 Fibre Channel Host Adapter (rev 02) |
| 23:20.24 | maddash | katabatic, huh? clarify your prob |
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| 23:21.03 | enouf | PaSurf: yeah .. look for any "compatability mode" options for the disks .. and any ioapic and enable it . |
| 23:21.26 | enouf | similar? |
| 23:21.31 | Supaplex | I'll throw another 320gb or 500gb in the nfs box for some diskless clients :) |
| 23:21.34 | jello | katabatic: "auto eth0" in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 23:21.41 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, ok you put pptp.relakks.com as host to connect to , right ? |
| 23:21.43 | katabatic | maddash, it will not assign an IP address to my computer automatically |
| 23:21.50 | katabatic | i have to manually do it |
| 23:21.55 | maddash | katabatic, how? |
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| 23:22.17 | katabatic | well I could just go in the network manager and deactivate, and activate the device, and it works |
| 23:22.26 | RhastaW | i had a bit of a hard drive fault this morning, e2fsck 'fixed' the problems so that i could boot properly but i lost some files, most notably most of the perl and vim packages, i was hoping to use apt-get's --reinstall option to repair all packages but unfortunately for this to work you need perl, since apt seems to rely on it for pre/post processing. is there any way to get around this chicken and egg problem before i just give up and rebuild t |
| 23:22.26 | RhastaW | he system (i have backups of my data in svn)? |
| 23:22.29 | karmatronic | katabatic, update your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 23:22.32 | katabatic | or by typing some command, forget which |
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| 23:22.47 | karmatronic | katabatic, dhclient eth0 |
| 23:22.48 | kid | Can someone tell me a few text editors besides vi and vim ? |
| 23:22.51 | katabatic | yes, that |
| 23:22.55 | RhastaW | kid, pico/nano |
| 23:22.57 | maddash | katabatic, open /etc/network/interfaces and see if there's an "auto eth0" |
| 23:22.58 | RhastaW | joe |
| 23:23.00 | PaSurf | enouf: I did a google search for "debian +attempting boot from cd-rom +attempting boot from hard drive (c:)" and looked in the google groups.. |
| 23:23.06 | Supaplex | kid: ed |
| 23:23.07 | katabatic | there is |
| 23:23.08 | maddash | katabatic, where "eth0" is your interface |
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| 23:23.13 | kid | Thanks |
| 23:23.20 | PaSurf | enouf: post was called boot problems.... |
| 23:23.21 | Supaplex | kid: gvim :-) |
| 23:23.31 | dendrite | kid: apt-cache search text editor |
| 23:23.32 | jello | RhastaW: debootstrap into /tmp/foobar and then copy to / |
| 23:23.37 | PaSurf | well, I'll go mess with the server... again.. |
| 23:23.56 | Supaplex | kid: zile, jed, emacs, notepad via wine :P |
| 23:23.58 | jello | RhastaW: or manually unpack using ar and tar |
| 23:23.58 | RhastaW | jello, where /tmp/foobar is the existing setup? |
| 23:24.06 | PaSurf | I think I'll try etch and see if that makes a difference.. |
| 23:24.10 | debianite | please |
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| 23:24.13 | debianite | how can i fix my keyboard |
| 23:24.14 | jello | RhastaW: no, a temporary directory that you will throw away |
| 23:24.17 | debianite | loadkeys is not working |
| 23:24.25 | katabatic | any other ideas? |
| 23:24.31 | Supaplex | !fix debianite's keyboard |
| 23:24.34 | kid | Supaplex: When I use gvim, I try to edit a file by opening it with the command :e <name> |
| 23:24.34 | karmatronic | debianite, and dpkg-reconfigure console-data |
| 23:24.34 | RhastaW | oh i see |
| 23:24.38 | RhastaW | thankyou jello |
| 23:24.41 | kid | But it doesn't let me edit the file |
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| 23:24.56 | jello | kid: use cream |
| 23:25.03 | jello | kid: or nano |
| 23:25.15 | karmatronic | kid, or joe |
| 23:25.20 | kid | Ok |
| 23:25.25 | debianite | i don't have console-data installed |
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| 23:25.29 | Supaplex | kid: never used :e. try :next <file> |
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| 23:25.41 | Supaplex | kid: and/or #vim |
| 23:25.48 | katabatic | karmatronic: what did you mean update my interfaces? |
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| 23:26.21 | ZagrebA | rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "peer refused to authenticate"] |
| 23:26.53 | karsten | What's the current ntp standard? |
| 23:27.06 | debianite | okay, fixed |
| 23:27.08 | jello | karsten: as in the rfc? |
| 23:27.10 | debianite | i was missing console-data |
| 23:27.10 | RhastaW | ah crap |
| 23:27.24 | debianite | as you can see, i did a major cleanup of packages and now i'm missing things |
| 23:27.25 | RhastaW | turns out i dont have debootstrap installed, which with my nonworking apt is a problem |
| 23:27.27 | karsten | jello: Yes. |
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| 23:27.39 | jello | karsten: shouldn't std 1 tell you? |
| 23:27.41 | debianite | now i just need to fix this error and all will be fine: |
| 23:27.42 | debianite | (EE) AIGLX: ScreeN 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 23:27.56 | enouf | debianite: apt-get install console-data console-tools |
| 23:28.03 | jello | RhastaW: so go the ar and tar route... |
| 23:28.18 | karsten | jello: I find RFC-1305 which is NTPv3. V4 is mentioned in man ntpd but not ferferenced by any RFC. |
| 23:28.24 | debianite | thank you enouf |
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| 23:28.32 | karsten | jello: What's std? |
| 23:28.36 | jello | karsten: STD-1 is normative |
| 23:28.51 | debianite | (EE) AIGLX: ScreeN 0 is not DRI capable |
| 23:28.59 | enouf | debianite: glxinfo | grep -i dri says what? |
| 23:29.02 | debianite | should i comment "dri" module? |
| 23:29.05 | karsten | jello: ?? |
| 23:29.06 | jello | karsten: http://rfc-editor.org/rfcxx00.html |
| 23:29.22 | debianite | i don't have glxinfo |
| 23:29.25 | Guerin | debianite: try. |
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| 23:30.22 | jello | karsten: NTPv3 is a draft standard, there is no official standard |
| 23:30.24 | debianite | i do now |
| 23:30.26 | karsten | jello: Looks as if there's a reserved slot for a (presumably upcoming) ntp4. |
| 23:30.29 | debianite | i was missing mesa-utils |
| 23:30.30 | karsten | jello: 1305. |
| 23:30.34 | karsten | jello: Thanks. |
| 23:30.39 | enouf | ahhh |
| 23:30.43 | jello | karsten: np |
| 23:30.49 | debianite | glxinfo gives me: unable to open display (null) |
| 23:31.31 | enouf | as root? |
| 23:31.41 | debianite | es |
| 23:31.43 | debianite | yes |
| 23:31.58 | enouf | you have no screen ? |
| 23:32.08 | jello | debianite: of course it does, b/c the x-server can't start... |
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| 23:32.13 | debianite | X starts correctly |
| 23:32.15 | debianite | but i have that error |
| 23:32.28 | debianite | (EE) AIGLX: ScreeN 0 is not DRI capable |
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| 23:32.41 | enouf | the error is in the Log and that's all that's wrong? |
| 23:32.44 | Guerin | debianite: x starts -> ignore the error and be happy |
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| 23:33.05 | mwubergeek | Hello, I was wounding if there is a way to have a dual core processor allow a single process to utilize the full CPU in linux? In windows it will only allow one/half of the dual core possessor to process the Job. |
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| 23:33.14 | maddash | lol |
| 23:33.23 | jello | mwubergeek: there is a way... |
| 23:33.38 | jello | mwubergeek: i think it's called cpu affinity |
| 23:33.49 | k-man_ | mwubergeek, the software has to be written to take advantage of more than one core, ie it has to support multi threading |
| 23:33.51 | jello | don't know the details since i'm uni-processor |
| 23:34.02 | ZagrebA | Does anybody in here run pptp with relakks connection? Im having this problem when i try to connect to relakks rcvd [LCP TermReq id=0x3 "peer refused to authenticate"] |
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| 23:34.30 | jello | ZagrebA: ask #relakks ?? |
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| 23:34.43 | Guerin | mm, nanas |
| 23:34.45 | ZagrebA | jello: it seems to be a client problem |
| 23:34.50 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, but you re trying to connect to pptp.relakks.com right ? |
| 23:35.01 | ZagrebA | karmatronic: yes |
| 23:35.30 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:36.04 | enouf | bit that it matters .. as long as X works |
| 23:36.11 | enouf | s/bit/not |
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| 23:36.30 | IanLim | :) |
| 23:36.33 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, just wants to be sure cos www.relakks.com has another ip |
| 23:36.46 | karmatronic | ZagrebA, so if you put that on conf file you ll never connect ... |
| 23:37.18 | IanLim | What are you guys talking about? |
| 23:37.37 | enouf | !sdj |
| 23:37.37 | dpkg | i heard sdj is She's Dead Jim! |
| 23:38.20 | sioc | is someone under debian-amd64 can help for a simple question ? |
| 23:38.30 | enouf | there is no spoon |
| 23:38.39 | Guerin | sioc: #debian-amd64? |
| 23:38.46 | enouf | er .. simple questions |
| 23:38.46 | Guerin | sioc: someone in here might know too |
| 23:38.54 | sioc | Guerin: thx |
| 23:39.34 | enouf | Guerin: how's the HDD looking? |
| 23:39.46 | war | anyone here use SW raid5? I just figured out how to increase speed by like 2-4x |
| 23:39.48 | war | for writes |
| 23:40.38 | enouf | we're all ears and whatcha using to benchmark with? |
| 23:40.44 | war | bonnie++ and dd |
| 23:40.55 | enouf | o b k b |
| 23:40.56 | war | went from 111mb/s write raid5 to 195MB/s write |
| 23:41.02 | war | and 87MB/s read to 211MB/s read |
| 23:41.08 | IanLim | Any fun is gong on here? |
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| 23:41.18 | enouf | !bong |
| 23:41.19 | dpkg | from memory, bong is like, dude, yeah... see http://sluggy.com/daily.php?date=980804 |
| 23:41.48 | enouf | war: swet .. Added a Chevy V8 |
| 23:41.53 | enouf | sweet even |
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| 23:42.37 | enouf | amphi had maddash written all over him .. poorr lil' soldier |
| 23:42.45 | Laris | hi |
| 23:42.51 | war | enouf: :P |
| 23:43.01 | amphi | enouf: huh? |
| 23:43.01 | IanLim | :( |
| 23:43.09 | enouf | hehe :-P amphi |
| 23:43.19 | amphi | enouf: what do you mean? |
| 23:43.31 | enouf | war: so like .. what's this awesome tip? |
| 23:43.36 | sioc | is someone can give me the deb to add to my source.list for debian-amd64 (i'm in a bad install with empty source.list and no way to browse internet (even not lynx)) |
| 23:43.41 | enouf | maddash was hunting for ya |
| 23:43.45 | enouf | amphi: ^^ |
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| 23:44.03 | war | enouf: check LKML or linux-raid mailing list or read http://forums.storagereview.net/index.php?showtopic=24195 |
| 23:44.20 | amphi | enouf: ah - I'm on a marginal wifi connection ;) |
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| 23:44.56 | plugwash__ | sioc are we talking sarge etch or sid here? |
| 23:45.08 | enouf | war: any particular topic / heading / url on lkml? |
| 23:45.10 | sioc | plugwash__: etch amd64 |
| 23:45.19 | amphi | enouf: I've already eaten several fats ;) |
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| 23:45.30 | war | enouf: Software Raid 5 / Optimizations 2.6.19.1 |
| 23:45.41 | war | Subject: Linux Software RAID 5 Performance Optimizations: 2.6.19.1: (211MB/s read & 195MB/s write) |
| 23:45.43 | war | or that :P |
| 23:45.52 | enouf | amphi: guess it makes for a great water float :-) |
| 23:46.20 | enouf | war: ok .. nice one .. Ferrari momma |
| 23:46.58 | karsten | sioc: netcat! |
| 23:47.13 | plugwash__ | Sioc deb http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
| 23:47.28 | war | enouf: yup yup ) |
| 23:47.37 | enouf | war: care to mention the controllers at all ? CPU/Mobo/etc |
| 23:47.55 | sioc | plugwash__: amd64 nowhere inside the url ? |
| 23:48.40 | karsten | sioc: No, that's handled elsewhere. |
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| 23:49.22 | plugwash__ | an entry in the sources.list points to the repositry as a whole, getting the correct files for your architecture from that repositry is apts job |
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| 23:49.32 | capiira | hi, anyone know if the xorg fresh install problem is already fixed? |
| 23:49.48 | gokee2_ | Can anyone refresh my memory on how to move between acts in irssi? (I am trying to get nvidia to work) |
| 23:50.03 | plugwash__ | capiira its fixed in sid, the fix hasn't migrated to etch yet |
| 23:50.06 | karmatronic | gokee2_, ctrl p or ctrl n |
| 23:50.07 | gokee2_ | Got it ctr p :) |
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| 23:50.28 | capiira | hmmmm maybe i should run sid then |
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| 23:50.34 | enouf | war: 8 friggin MB strip size? |
| 23:50.43 | enouf | stripe even |
| 23:50.59 | capiira | looks like it has many probs as testing but gets faster fixed |
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| 23:51.07 | mzilikazi | capiira: sid's where all the fun is |
| 23:51.23 | sioc | plugwash__, karsten : THANKS A LOT |
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| 23:52.08 | enouf | karsten: Muffin reappeared when you went for lunch much earlier |
| 23:52.12 | capiira | whats the gnome version of sid? |
| 23:52.13 | Whatsisname | greetings. |
| 23:52.28 | enouf | ercall the funky gnupg issues around christmas time> |
| 23:52.30 | enouf | ? |
| 23:52.30 | karsten | enouf: ?? |
| 23:52.39 | Whatsisname | Does anyone know where I could locate the file of samba password hashes? It's not in /etc/smbpasswd or /etc/sambapasswd |
| 23:52.40 | plugwash__ | capiira the general idea is that the fuckups either don't make it to testing or at worst take as long to make it to testing as the fixes do |
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| 23:52.51 | enouf | The person having a shitload of issues with gnupg and such |
| 23:53.05 | enouf | and apt-get and debian-keyring-archive |
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| 23:53.17 | plugwash__ | so the ammount of time you are exposed to a fuckup for should be about the same with testing and the number of fuckups you are exposed to should be less |
| 23:53.18 | capiira | yeah but the fixed also takes long to get into testing :) |
| 23:53.20 | capiira | fixes |
| 23:53.21 | karsten | enouf: Not really. |
| 23:53.46 | enouf | karsten: you (and I and others) kept trying to repair their broken key(s) |
| 23:54.47 | enouf | ...anyway .they came back to say it had io do with openssl being compiled under gcc 3.x rather than 4.1 which gnupg seemed to want to be dependent upon |
| 23:54.47 | plugwash__ | anyway once you know what you are doing this xorg issue isn't too bad, you just have to remember to install the -all packages manually until the fixed version hits testing |
| 23:55.08 | karsten | enouf: Ah. Interesting. |
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| 23:55.21 | karsten | enouf: I'm starting to see gcc3/4 issues elsewhere as well. |
| 23:55.29 | enouf | karsten: so long story short .. they recompiled opensll under 3.x and all worked out .. t |
| 23:55.46 | gokee2_ | ] |
| 23:56.00 | gokee2_ | How do I uninstall a module? |
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| 23:56.06 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 23:56.19 | Seb | anyone knows a good IRC daemon with support for SSL client connections ? |
| 23:56.19 | enouf | karsten: it was when you had told them to addd the option --accept-non-root- keys or somesuch in their~/.gnupg/gpg/conf file |
| 23:56.29 | enouf | er gpg.conf? |
| 23:56.32 | enouf | whatever |
| 23:56.47 | karsten | enouf: Maybe. I wasn't listening to myself. |
| 23:57.02 | enouf | karsten: no biggy .. just wanted to tell ya .. |
| 23:57.10 | karsten | enouf: Appreciated. |
| 23:57.16 | karsten | enouf: Just too much on my head. |
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| 23:57.18 | enouf | :-) |
| 23:59.11 | Guerin | wtf, etch `standard syetem' is fuckign absurdly large now |
| 23:59.14 | enouf | gokee2_: you want modprobe -r module |
| 23:59.17 | Guerin | like |
| 23:59.23 | enouf | yep |
| 23:59.24 | Guerin | insanely much stufff |
| 23:59.39 | enouf | Guerin: Desktop Env? .. Tasksel? |
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| 23:59.51 | enouf | 1.7GB here |
| 23:59.52 | Guerin | enouf: just the stick WIDHE install |
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| 23:59.56 | Guerin | yeah |
