| 00:00.20 | blondie | dosfstools I think you need to apt-get |
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| 00:00.54 | ShastaMaroon | geo-rge it's unzipped. |
| 00:01.03 | geo-rge | ShastaMaroon: you don't need the symlink /usr/src/linux pointed any particular place |
| 00:01.08 | ShastaMaroon | geo-rge should I make /usr/src/linux point to kernel-source ? |
| 00:01.12 | ShastaMaroon | oh |
| 00:01.16 | geo-rge | you don't have to |
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| 00:01.29 | ShastaMaroon | cool |
| 00:01.38 | geo-rge | you should have a dir, tho, called kernel-source-somethign |
| 00:01.44 | ShastaMaroon | yes |
| 00:01.48 | geo-rge | cd in there, |
| 00:01.50 | ShastaMaroon | and make menuconfig works in it :-D |
| 00:01.54 | geo-rge | run make mrproper |
| 00:02.03 | ShastaMaroon | ok |
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| 00:02.23 | geo-rge | then, you'll find a config file in /boot called something like Config-2.4.27somethign |
| 00:02.31 | keram | mkfs.vfat doesnt come up in aptitude |
| 00:02.47 | ShastaMaroon | ok |
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| 00:03.01 | geo-rge | copy that file to .config in the kernel-source-somethign dir |
| 00:03.06 | ShastaMaroon | done |
| 00:03.16 | geo-rge | ok, make oldconfig |
| 00:03.37 | geo-rge | and it should zip through |
| 00:03.46 | ShastaMaroon | done |
| 00:03.53 | ShastaMaroon | now its telling me to run make dep |
| 00:03.58 | geo-rge | and now, copy the .config to something like: |
| 00:04.27 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.37 | geo-rge | so you would have a backup |
| 00:04.51 | ShastaMaroon | ok |
| 00:04.54 | geo-rge | then, run make menuconfig |
| 00:05.03 | geo-rge | make your changes |
| 00:05.15 | geo-rge | then, copy the .config to something like: |
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| 00:05.36 | geo-rge | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:05.56 | ShastaMaroon | haha |
| 00:08.08 | geo-rge | while the filesystem will handle long names like that, you don't have to actually use that :) |
| 00:08.08 | ShastaMaroon | I don't think I will :-D |
| 00:08.09 | geo-rge | once you're done, install this package: kernel-package |
| 00:08.11 | geo-rge | then you're ready to build: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers |
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| 00:08.45 | geo-rge | when that's done, look in .. and let us know |
| 00:09.25 | ShastaMaroon | cool |
| 00:09.28 | ShastaMaroon | thanks for the help |
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| 00:10.50 | geo-rge | if no one useful is here, you can install the .debs you find there (the kernel image is the one you need for the kernel itself, the headers package is for when you would build additional modules against the kernel associated with the headers package, likely that would be your running kernel) |
| 00:11.14 | geo-rge | using dpkg -i something.deb |
| 00:11.41 | geo-rge | (dpkg --help offers information on all the tricks dpkg can do) |
| 00:12.17 | geo-rge | brb... |
| 00:12.22 | me_here | how can i recover a deleted file ? |
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| 00:14.35 | Gnea | me_here: apt-cache search recover <-- lots of options |
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| 00:16.46 | wastrel | hey dude |
| 00:17.14 | me_here | Gnea: it's just an mp3 file i downloaded recently not a package |
| 00:17.31 | Gnea | me_here: so re-download it |
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| 00:17.46 | me_here | Gnea: heh yeah i will lol |
| 00:17.46 | keram | how do i put fat32 on my external hd which is on /dev/sdb1? |
| 00:17.48 | sid | I need a minipci wifi chipset for my Dell laptop, I'm a GNU/Linux user. Which should I get? |
| 00:17.52 | sid | I want to get one from a company that supports free/libre software. ie they give documentation to registers, and allow firmware redistribution etc, if possible. |
| 00:17.59 | me_here | Gnea: hope the stream will be played again |
| 00:19.22 | markit | ok, I give up, I will have to reinstall debian :( thanks for the help and support, bye |
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| 00:19.39 | Gnea | me_here: if file recovery is too technical, then yeah, that's your best bet |
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| 00:19.57 | n3kl_ | Anybody know why my queue would be so high? udp 24620 0 0.0.0.0:53 0.0.0.0:* 16418/named |
| 00:20.04 | me_here | Gnea: i never used them, what tools are there ? |
| 00:20.20 | me_here | Gnea: i mean for file recovery |
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| 00:21.12 | Gnea | me_here: i already showed you |
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| 00:22.17 | r3m | hi i have debian on my macmini since 1 years, an error appears today ide0: reset timed-out status = 0xd0 | hda: status timeout: status=0xd0 { BUSY } hda: drive not readu for command | end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 119167374 |
| 00:22.17 | r3m | maybe my disk is broken but i really need to boot just one time to make a backup of one of my coded program |
| 00:22.43 | sid | r3m: Sounds like you're hard disk isn't doing too well. |
| 00:22.50 | abrotman | drive dying |
| 00:22.54 | sid | r3m: Run a check disk while the drive isn't mounted. |
| 00:23.03 | sid | (and backup data first) |
| 00:23.17 | Wyzard | That's a communication error rather than a media error... so it could be a dying drive, but it could also be an overheated drive or a bad cable or something |
| 00:23.29 | Cosmonaut3030 | Anybody know what package I need for the cli utility "locate"? |
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| 00:23.38 | Wyzard | abrotman: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/1/359 |
| 00:24.11 | r3m | sid I can't boot my kernel, how to disable the drive |
| 00:24.20 | wastrel | Cosmonaut3030: |
| 00:24.20 | abrotman | Wyzard: you didn't write the patch |
| 00:24.21 | wastrel | slocate |
| 00:24.40 | Wyzard | abrotman: no, I discovered it while browsing the debian-kernel list archives |
| 00:24.41 | abrotman | Wyzard: is that the entire patch ? 12 lines ? |
| 00:24.43 | Cosmonaut3030 | Thanks a lot wastrel |
| 00:24.45 | Wyzard | yep |
| 00:24.55 | abrotman | Wyzard: and it fixes your problem ? |
| 00:25.06 | Wyzard | abrotman: I haven't confirmed it yet, and I'm leaving tomorrow morning for a ski vacation so I won't be able to test it until next weekend, but it looks very promising |
| 00:25.09 | r3m | sid: i need your help step by step please |
| 00:25.16 | abrotman | Wyzard: where's the skiing? |
| 00:25.25 | Wyzard | Smugglers' Notch, Vermont |
| 00:25.26 | abrotman | obviously not Spring Mount :) |
| 00:25.30 | sid | r3m: Boot a livecd, and do e2fsck |
| 00:25.30 | abrotman | nice .. enjoy! |
| 00:25.37 | abrotman | too bad you didn't book Colorado :) |
| 00:25.42 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 00:25.48 | Wyzard | I've been to Colorado once... it was fun |
| 00:25.52 | geo-rge | r3m: step one: learn the elements of unix... step two, learn the elements of the problem domain |
| 00:25.56 | Wyzard | but I go to Smuggs every year with my family |
| 00:26.00 | abrotman | my brother is so excited .. he's probably been calling off work every day |
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| 00:26.14 | abrotman | last time i was skiing was Sunday River in ME |
| 00:26.29 | Wyzard | They've had some warm weather lately and it's just gotten cold in the past few days, so I don't know how great the snow will be, but if nothing else... we'll have six laptops and a PS2 with us :-) |
| 00:26.33 | r3m | sid: e2fsck is also for ext3? |
| 00:26.43 | abrotman | Wyzard: you could go pick up girls! |
| 00:26.44 | Wyzard | r3m: yes, ext3 is actually ext2 with one added feature |
| 00:26.49 | blondie | skiing... shudder |
| 00:26.55 | pipeline | r3m: ext2 and ext3 are the same filesystem on-disk. ext3 is just a newer driver to read and write the filesystem. |
| 00:27.04 | Wyzard | nearly the same |
| 00:27.04 | r3m | ok thx |
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| 00:27.24 | Wyzard | ext3 has a journal that ext2 thinks is just an ordinary file (/.journal, I think) |
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| 00:27.38 | geo-rge | r3m: you'll be glad you did |
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| 00:28.44 | geo-rge | Wyzard: so therefore it is really an ordinary file in the filesystem... that is used by ext3 as a journal |
| 00:28.47 | abrotman | Wyzard: i'm surprised they still invite you after you moved out! |
| 00:29.05 | n3kl_ | Anyone know of a good way to get snort logs in your mail? |
| 00:29.18 | pipeline | Wyzard: Every ext3 filesystem is a valid ext2 filesystem and vice versa. I don't see how they're not the same :P |
| 00:29.20 | geo-rge | get snorty! |
| 00:29.23 | Wyzard | n3kl_: Doesn't snort mail the logs by default? |
| 00:29.29 | Wyzard | n3kl_: to root@localhost IIRC |
| 00:29.32 | abrotman | n3kl_: cat <blah> | mail <your email> ? |
| 00:30.15 | n3kl_ | geo-rge: what is snorty? |
| 00:30.17 | geo-rge | n3kl_: you can know of good ways if you learn how to express them, for example in the shell |
| 00:30.38 | geo-rge | oh, there's a movie called get snorty or get shorty or something |
| 00:31.39 | n3kl_ | I guess it was poorly phrased. I would like some sort of overview of the alert logs that would be sent to my email. I realize that I could cat the logs into my mail, but then I could just read the logs if that were the case. |
| 00:31.58 | evilbulgarian | hi, ever since i upgraded to etch i been getting constant messages "Server certificate verification error: self signed certificate in certificate chain" from fetchmail can someone help me on disabeling this |
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| 00:32.44 | giupy | is this line for lilo correct? append="noapic nolapic video=matroxfb:vesa:0x114" |
| 00:32.52 | Averell | Hi guys. I'm obviously too stupid to make Firefox understand my font settings, it just wont get bigger. how do i trick it? |
| 00:33.15 | geo-rge | try ctrl-+ |
| 00:33.23 | Averell | that won't make it remember though |
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| 00:34.25 | outlaw84 | how do you find out if a file is encoded with iso-8859-1 or utf-8? |
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| 00:35.47 | phated | Try the 'file |
| 00:35.52 | phated | ' command on a file. |
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| 00:38.42 | outlaw84 | yea I tryed that, I get diffrent result on my computer with arch amd64 as for my other with i386 :( |
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| 00:39.50 | outlaw84 | and the file is suppose to be the same, also 'file --version' shows the same |
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| 00:51.32 | xingu | outlaw84: file encoding is a figment of the application's imagination |
| 00:51.54 | xingu | outlaw84: to unix, it's all bytes. |
| 00:52.35 | xingu | outlaw84: there's nothing on disk to distinguish file encoding; if there's nothing in the file format either, your strategy is - guess. |
| 00:53.17 | xingu | outlaw84: the "guess" for pagers like less/more is generally influenced by your current LANG environment variable |
| 00:53.33 | outlaw84 | My base problem is that I am unable to to build my projects in an IDE for J2ME. I get the error "-8859-1 to UTF-8 not supported on this platform" On my computer running arch amd64 |
| 00:54.13 | xingu | outlaw84: then your problem is with the IDE; good luck with that, you'll want to start by researching the error it's producing |
| 00:54.20 | r3m | sid you know a livecd distrib for ppc |
| 00:54.46 | blondie | r3m: ubuntu ;) |
| 00:54.57 | blondie | or gentoo |
| 00:54.58 | blondie | c.c |
| 00:55.03 | r3m | ubuntu is a livecd distrib? |
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| 00:56.03 | blondie | i think there is one... ask in #ubuntu |
| 00:56.03 | plugwash | anyone know any good image viewers? |
| 00:56.51 | evilbulgarian | plugwash: kuickshow in kde is good |
| 00:57.45 | wireddd | is iceweasel not going to get added to etch? |
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| 00:58.55 | wastrel | i changed the hostname of my new debian box |
| 00:59.01 | plugwash | i'll reprase that, anyone know of an image viewer that won't require pulling in a sh*tload of dependencies (i'm an icewm user btw) |
| 00:59.12 | wastrel | i'm terribly indecisive about these things. |
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| 00:59.39 | mc__ | plugwash: xloadimage |
| 01:00.30 | plugwash | wireddd well mozilla have effectively made a legal threat about what will happen if it doesn't happen before etch release so you'd hope that would be taken seriously, otoh it doesn't seem to be making much progress towards a testing migration atm |
| 01:00.53 | wireddd | thats what I was seeing |
| 01:01.19 | me_here | when i recover bad blocks or inodes on a filesystem with e2fsck will it also recover deleted files ? |
| 01:01.24 | me_here | i suppose not |
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| 01:02.33 | liable | plugwash: imagemagick? |
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| 01:04.02 | NoGoo | When doing a intstall from a hard drive how do I get the installer to take the file from my harddrive and not the cd? |
| 01:04.12 | plugwash | hmm i thought imagemagick was a console based image manipulator |
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| 01:04.45 | plugwash | xloadimage works but it doesn't get on very well with icewm (it seems to force the window size to a size that is too small for the icewm title bar to work right) |
| 01:04.56 | liable | plugwash: it can view files of course |
| 01:05.38 | abrotman | !ig |
| 01:05.38 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 01:07.26 | wireddd | is there a deb of firefox 2 for etch somewhere, or for iceweasel 2? |
| 01:07.33 | NoGoo | abrotman : my problem is not booting the installer, my problem is with the installer |
| 01:07.58 | liable | NoGoo: what do you mean, by take the file? |
| 01:08.28 | me_here | wah nice waves really |
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| 01:09.13 | NoGoo | liable: I dont have a cd writer, so I make a partition and create the "iso" partition there (there is also a .iso file in the /) but still it does not accept it |
| 01:09.21 | h3sp4wn | away bbl |
| 01:10.02 | liable | NoGoo: did you get an installer kernel and initrd to boot? |
| 01:10.07 | h3sp4wn | sorry (cannot type) |
| 01:10.43 | abrotman | wireddd: no |
| 01:10.48 | liable | Yvonne: ping |
| 01:10.50 | abrotman | wireddd: not yet at least .. you can make your own |
| 01:10.56 | liable | yang: ping |
| 01:11.29 | NoGoo | liable : yes, the installer is up and running, detected all my hardware, even my cd, but is there a way to mount the partition manually? mount in the shell only spits back that the partition does not exist |
| 01:11.39 | wireddd | abrotman, i'll just install it for my user |
| 01:11.46 | tarzeau | abrotman! etch is out yet? |
| 01:12.01 | liable | NoGoo: i *think* you can tell the kernel about it in the kernel line at boot |
| 01:12.10 | liable | NoGoo: though i have never done it |
| 01:12.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: pay attention |
| 01:12.41 | NoGoo | lialbe : ok, Im of to sifting throug nonsense on google then :) |
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| 01:12.54 | cusco | apt or aptitude is not updating... |
| 01:12.59 | apt | I think you lost me on that one, cusco |
| 01:13.00 | cusco | it hangs |
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| 01:13.29 | cusco | Hit http://debian.netcologne.de testing/main Sources |
| 01:13.29 | cusco | 99% [12 Packages bzip2 0] |
| 01:13.37 | cusco | and stays there forever |
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| 01:13.47 | tarzeau | cusco: try an official mirror |
| 01:14.14 | cusco | ah yes.. |
| 01:14.15 | tarzeau | cusco: someone else whined about bzip2 packages files yesterday |
| 01:14.32 | liable | NoGoo: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch05s01.html.en#boot-initrd |
| 01:14.35 | cusco | is there official testing security updates? |
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| 01:15.16 | NoGoo | liable : I have seen that :) but thanks anyway |
| 01:15.16 | Thaiger | This is kind of OT, but I didn't know where else to ask. Does anyone know of a win32 program that will format something ext2? |
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| 01:15.26 | liable | NoGoo: says it just has to be in the partition |
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| 01:16.10 | NoGoo | liable : Ill tell the installer that |
| 01:16.16 | NoGoo | lialbe : thanks anyway |
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| 01:17.08 | xingu | Thaiger: www.fs-driver.org? haven't used it myself but looks interesting. |
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| 01:17.31 | Thaiger | xingu: Thanks, I'll check it out |
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| 01:19.16 | ding | when use zgv to show a photo ,it may make system halted. |
| 01:19.25 | ding | how to solve it. |
| 01:19.42 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 01:19.42 | dpkg | somebody said explore2fs was a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://www.chrysocome.net/explore2fs [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 01:19.58 | tarzeau | ding: use feh |
| 01:20.05 | tarzeau | ding: oh wait without x? |
| 01:20.17 | abrotman | ding: with all photos ? |
| 01:20.26 | Knorrie | cusco: yes |
| 01:20.54 | ding | well, does apt-get contains feh? |
| 01:20.54 | ding | I dont wanna use X |
| 01:20.54 | ding | yes |
| 01:20.54 | ding | all photos will lead system halted |
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| 01:21.14 | xingu | abrotman: pretty sure that explore2fs doesn't let you mkfs; not sure about fs-driver/ext2ifs |
| 01:21.16 | abrotman | probably has something to do with crappy internet :) |
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| 01:21.25 | abrotman | xingu: dunno .. never tried it |
| 01:21.29 | abrotman | xingu: can't hurt to check |
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| 01:21.31 | ding | hi, I am kicked, so strange. |
| 01:21.38 | tarzeau | ding: i've seen people use links2 -g to view photos, without X |
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| 01:21.48 | tarzeau | ding: it tells you why |
| 01:21.48 | xingu | abrotman: I have used explore2fs, hence the suggestion for ext2ifs. :) |
| 01:21.56 | abrotman | xingu: whichever! |
| 01:22.02 | ding | well, i wanna use apt-get to get software, |
| 01:22.14 | protocol2 | how do I see if I have direct rendering enabled? |
| 01:22.21 | liable | glxinfo |
| 01:22.23 | ding | can you recommand one software that can use apt-get to get. |
| 01:22.47 | Knorrie | ding: whats wrong with just apt-get? |
| 01:23.00 | protocol2 | glxinfo dont work |
| 01:23.15 | abrotman | protocol2: why not ? |
| 01:23.19 | protocol2 | do I need to install something? |
| 01:23.28 | ding | apt-get has no problem ,but not contains some software I wanna |
| 01:23.28 | protocol2 | says commadn nto found |
| 01:23.33 | abrotman | install it? |
| 01:23.35 | protocol2 | not* |
| 01:23.42 | Knorrie | protocol2: doesn't :) yes... apt-file search glxinfo |
| 01:23.54 | liable | mesa-utils |
| 01:24.05 | liable | i think.. |
| 01:24.16 | Knorrie | yeah |
| 01:24.17 | protocol2 | ok |
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| 01:25.17 | ding | I wanna use apt-get to get one software that can view photos in terminal , such as zgv, but zgv will make my pc halt each time I use it |
| 01:25.19 | Straterra | Hey...does Debian offer pine or Sun Java? |
| 01:25.29 | abrotman | ding: which version of debian? |
| 01:25.35 | abrotman | Straterra: java yes .. pine no |
| 01:25.50 | Straterra | Oh..so it does come with Sun Java |
| 01:26.08 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 01:26.16 | Straterra | Any |
| 01:26.25 | gravity | c |
| 01:26.27 | ding | sarge |
| 01:26.32 | gravity | EWIN |
| 01:26.44 | Straterra | But no pine? Why is that? |
| 01:26.58 | protocol2 | my rendering isnt enabled it says Direct Rendering: No mesa GLX Indirect |
| 01:26.58 | abrotman | Straterra: their license forbids it |
| 01:27.08 | abrotman | Straterra: and it matters which version of debian as to whether or not it has sun java |
| 01:27.10 | protocol2 | is there a way to fix that? |
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| 01:27.13 | ding | 3.X |
| 01:27.13 | ding | I forget version |
| 01:27.13 | ding | but is 3.* |
| 01:27.34 | abrotman | can't links2 -g do images ? |
| 01:27.35 | Straterra | Forbids...distrobution? |
| 01:27.50 | abrotman | !pine |
| 01:27.51 | dpkg | pine: a non-DFSG-free (read: evil!) POP3, IMAP, and USENET reader; modified binaries are illegal to distribute. Alternatives include elm, mutt, spruce, sylpheed, balsa, and many other FREE readers. binaries are not included in Debian because of licensing problems. To get pine debs: apt-get -b source pine (or pine4) or if you just want pico, ask about "nano", or there MAY be additional help in #pine |
| 01:27.54 | protocol2 | is there something I should modify in /etc/X11/xorg.conf file to get it to work right? |
| 01:28.01 | markit | I've problems with the businesscard last net installer, any developer here? (daily build or whatever it is) |
| 01:28.14 | liable | protocol2: read your x log, see what it says about direct rendering |
| 01:28.17 | Straterra | Liscensing problems? |
| 01:28.20 | Straterra | I don't see any problems.. |
| 01:28.25 | abrotman | read again |
| 01:28.30 | Straterra | They just want to make sure all changes go upstream |
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| 01:28.36 | abrotman | no .. |
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| 01:29.00 | Straterra | You can distribute PINE..and its sources, just can't modify them without permission |
| 01:29.05 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pine_(e-mail_client)#License_controversy |
| 01:29.26 | abrotman | i'm not having a license discussion .. if you want to talk about it .. ask debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 01:29.33 | Straterra | lol |
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| 01:29.55 | abrotman | their license makes it impossible for Debian to distribute |
| 01:30.06 | Straterra | Seriously though..I don't see how distributing a vinalla binary is in violation |
| 01:30.13 | hagabaka | is there a place for packages to clarify why some other packages are recommended? just the description? |
| 01:30.20 | Straterra | abrotman: no..it makes it impossible for Debian to patch the bajeebus outta it and distribute |
| 01:30.23 | Straterra | There is a difference |
| 01:30.33 | abrotman | which makes it impossible for Debian to distribute |
| 01:30.44 | Straterra | Why? |
| 01:30.57 | abrotman | dude .. ask debian-legal .. i told you why |
| 01:30.58 | Straterra | Must the Debian devs patch EVERYTHING just for the sake of patching? |
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| 01:31.13 | plugwash | while anti-forking licenses may be well intentioned they tend to be a lot more trouble than they are worth |
| 01:31.17 | abrotman | Straterra: security reasons for starters |
| 01:31.25 | plugwash | and i think you will find that most patches in debian are there for good reasons |
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| 01:31.35 | Straterra | Security reasons..Patches can, and should be sent upstream anyway |
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| 01:31.50 | abrotman | Straterra: that license implies that Debian cannot patch the sources in stable and distribute those binaries |
| 01:31.51 | Straterra | That is generally how open source software works |
| 01:31.56 | Straterra | abrotman: correct |
| 01:32.04 | abrotman | which means debian can't distribute it |
| 01:32.27 | Straterra | No |
| 01:32.27 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:32.28 | fluffd | Straterra, you couldn't patch your way out of wet paper sack |
| 01:32.28 | Straterra | It means Debian can't patch it and distribute it |
| 01:32.28 | fluffd | mr moore. |
| 01:32.31 | fluffd | :-x |
| 01:32.35 | plugwash | debian prides themselves on offering security patches with minimal changes |
| 01:32.41 | Straterra | If the patches are sent upstream to Pine..everyone benefits, not just Debian users |
| 01:32.47 | plugwash | that is what makes debian stable considered so rock solid |
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| 01:32.50 | Straterra | plugwash: ok..and it should horde these patches? |
| 01:32.59 | abrotman_ | Straterra: yeah .. i missed that :) |
| 01:33.54 | plugwash | no, it should (and i belive does) make those patches availible to upstream but it also gets them to its users without either having to wait for upstream or ship any more changes than are nessacery |
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| 01:34.14 | Straterra | plugwash: same thing happenned with Firefox |
| 01:34.19 | abrotman__ | god damn it |
| 01:34.22 | goarilla | :D |
| 01:34.27 | Straterra | A refusal to submit patches upstream for the good of the community |
| 01:34.42 | plugwash | do you really think most upstream maintainers care about the versions of thier packages that happen to be in debian sarge |
| 01:34.44 | abrotman__ | that's not it!!! |
| 01:34.50 | abrotman__ | you're not getting it |
| 01:34.55 | abrotman__ | did you even read the pine license? |
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| 01:35.13 | Straterra | plugwash: No..and they shouldn't. They care about patching and fixing their software though |
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| 01:35.22 | Straterra | abrotman_: yes..I have |
| 01:35.37 | Straterra | You can freely distribute both the source and binaries for PINE |
| 01:35.39 | abrotman__ | Debian includes pine version 1.2.3 in Debian/stable .. there's a security issue that affects 1.2.3 .. Debian is not legally allowed to patch version 1.2.3 and distribute those binaries |
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| 01:35.42 | Straterra | Granted they are non-modified |
| 01:35.49 | abrotman__ | thanks .. you proved my point |
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| 01:36.08 | Straterra | If Debian has pine..then why was I told it didn't? |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman__ | it doesn't |
| 01:36.26 | Straterra | Uh... |
| 01:36.37 | abrotman__ | that was an example |
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| 01:36.41 | Straterra | Also, with this security hole..do the Debian devs HAVE a patch to fix it? |
| 01:36.59 | Straterra | If they do, then they should submit it upstream |
| 01:37.02 | abrotman__ | they're not going to force pine 1.2.5 on people running debian/stable |
| 01:37.08 | abrotman__ | that's not how debian/stable works |
| 01:37.11 | Straterra | If they don't..then how would they patch it, regardless of license.. |
| 01:37.19 | abrotman__ | you're not going to win |
| 01:37.22 | Straterra | Heh |
| 01:37.31 | Straterra | No one said anythin about forcing pine |
| 01:37.32 | abrotman__ | the pine license sucks .. debian doesn't distribute it because it's not able to |
| 01:37.49 | Straterra | But if pine has a security hole..and there is a release that fixes it..why wouldn't you release that version? |
| 01:37.59 | Straterra | abrotman_: no..Debian is technically able to |
| 01:38.05 | fluffd | hrm |
| 01:38.06 | Straterra | As long as they don't patch it |
| 01:38.07 | abrotman__ | because .. that's not how debian/stable works |
| 01:38.09 | abrotman__ | we just covered this |
| 01:38.26 | peterS | Straterra: why are we talking about pine in debian? pine is not in debian. |
| 01:38.32 | Straterra | I will shut up as soon as you admit that technically Debian CAN distribute Pine |
| 01:38.42 | abrotman__ | Straterra: IT IS NOT! |
| 01:38.46 | fluffd | i installed pine with aptitude |
| 01:38.46 | abrotman__ | i just showed you why |
| 01:38.57 | Straterra | abrotman__: Uh...No you didn't |
| 01:39.05 | Straterra | As long as its NOT PATCHED it can be distributed |
| 01:39.06 | Straterra | Simple as that |
| 01:39.08 | abrotman__ | Debian includes pine version 1.2.3 in Debian/stable .. there's a security issue that affects 1.2.3 .. Debian is not legally allowed to patch version 1.2.3 and distribute those binaries |
| 01:39.11 | abrotman__ | see! |
| 01:39.36 | Straterra | I see that..but that doesn't mean that Debian cann't technically distribute pine |
| 01:39.47 | abrotman | i'm done .. not my problem if you don't get it |
| 01:39.49 | Straterra | It can't distribute a patched version of pine |
| 01:39.51 | Straterra | LoL |
| 01:39.56 | abrotman | if you want to argue .. contact debian-legal@lists.debian.org |
| 01:39.57 | Straterra | I do get it..you don't get it |
| 01:39.59 | goarilla | :p |
| 01:40.05 | abrotman | i got it a long time ago |
| 01:40.07 | peterS | Straterra: if we can't distribute a patched version of pine, then how are we supposed to fix a security hole? |
| 01:40.20 | abrotman | peterS: i just told him that .. he says that's our problem .. not pine's |
| 01:40.40 | Straterra | peterS: by doing what other distros do..upgrade (or offer the upgrade) of the new version to the users |
| 01:40.41 | abrotman | and debian still can't distribute pine |
| 01:40.49 | peterS | abrotman: right, one of those "we don't need software freedoms, we can just ignore whatever parts of licenses seem to keep us from doing what we want" |
| 01:40.49 | Straterra | Yes, it can. It choses not to |
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| 01:40.51 | abrotman | Straterra: you don't understand how debian works do you ? |
| 01:40.52 | peterS | abrotman: ...types |
| 01:40.53 | Straterra | There is a big difference |
| 01:41.06 | abrotman | do you understand how debian stable works ? |
| 01:41.15 | Straterra | peterS: uh..I RESPECT licenses |
| 01:41.33 | abrotman | they will not include newer versions of software .. and because pine's license is a big pile of crap .. Debian can't package pine |
| 01:41.43 | Straterra | Yes, it CAN |
| 01:41.48 | Straterra | But the devs chose not to |
| 01:41.48 | xingu | pine's *license* is a big pile of crap? :) |
| 01:41.50 | peterS | Straterra: what if upstream doesn't have a fixed version? what if the fixed version breaks in some other way that the users of debian stable will find annoying? this is why debian stable never introduces changes we don't control. we aren't going to make an exception for one crappy mail client |
| 01:41.52 | abrotman | no .. it can't |
| 01:42.13 | Straterra | abrotman: why can't Debian distribute a vanilla Pine? |
| 01:42.17 | Straterra | There is no reason why it can't |
| 01:42.21 | abrotman | Straterra: we just fucking told you FIVE times |
| 01:42.26 | Straterra | No, you didn't |
| 01:42.29 | abrotman | yes .. we did |
| 01:42.32 | Lamperi | >_< |
| 01:42.33 | peterS | Straterra: we're going to drop the subject now, and so are you. thanks. |
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| 01:42.38 | Straterra | Oh? |
| 01:42.45 | peterS | Straterra: yes, you will. now. thanks. |
| 01:42.54 | Straterra | Heh |
| 01:42.54 | itchi | My network (Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01)) card that use the r1000 module with kernel 2.6.17 works fine, now that i have 2.6.18-3-686 he no more want to do it after i compiling the module. I not get any error or dmesg that tell somethings wrong about it |
| 01:42.55 | Straterra | I see |
| 01:43.03 | fluffd | but i installed it with apt, how did it get in the repositories? |
| 01:43.09 | abrotman | fluffd: unofficial |
| 01:43.14 | fluffd | who did that? |
| 01:43.17 | abrotman | you |
| 01:43.19 | fluffd | someone hax0red meh! |
| 01:43.21 | fluffd | heh |
| 01:43.23 | Straterra | lol |
| 01:43.37 | Straterra | fluffd: someone injected the ev1l pine into the Debian 'stable' repos! |
| 01:43.38 | fluffd | i just use it.. i dunno who does the reps |
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| 01:43.50 | fluffd | musta been rms |
| 01:43.54 | Straterra | lol |
| 01:44.03 | fluffd | damn cornspirocees |
| 01:44.11 | Straterra | Damn stallman! |
| 01:44.19 | goarilla | :P hahhaahahaa |
| 01:44.20 | fluffd | eh, i like my debian |
| 01:44.32 | geo-rge | Straterra: can't get into main though. if it's not in main, it's not in debian |
| 01:44.35 | fluffd | but its not debian stable.. so |
| 01:44.43 | peterS | geo-rge: we already dropped it. you can too. |
| 01:44.43 | abrotman | geo-rge: it's over! |
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| 01:44.53 | Straterra | Ok, what was that url for the mailing list? |
| 01:44.55 | markit | the installer rc1 sees dhcp but is just for ltsp, so then it uses dhcp config to try to grab the rest of the install from internet... and of course fails :( I have to re-run in the advanced mode |
| 01:44.58 | Hotwire | anyone got any bright ideas on how to get dcop to interface with a turntable, to enable the extraction of track data. The best solution i've come up with so far is to generate TRM ids (http://musicbrainz.org/products/trmgen/download.html) and keep them in a database and then capture the 30 second sample required as needed. But i want it to be able to work with any 30 second sample from the track andthis would require 100s of IDs per track. |
| 01:45.00 | geo-rge | oh I see, jump all over me |
| 01:45.01 | Straterra | And..I'm sure there is a usenet group for Debian, correct? |
| 01:45.12 | geo-rge | fuck that |
| 01:45.17 | fluffd | ... |
| 01:45.23 | Straterra | geo-rge: where have you been? Looks like I've been the one bent over a table and 'raped' in this convo |
| 01:45.28 | fluffd | negative prozac levels detected |
| 01:45.29 | Straterra | Damn..he left |
| 01:45.33 | abrotman | Straterra: debian-legal@lists.debian.org .... enjoy |
| 01:45.47 | Straterra | I won't enjoy, but thanks |
| 01:46.07 | itchi | The card looks like to work with the new kernel, ifconfig show the stuff and such, demsg tell also the same things like in my old kernel. But he not want to do it. That nework icon of gnome have an ! |
| 01:47.23 | xingu | Hotwire: http://www.ion-audio.com/ittusb.php |
| 01:48.06 | Hotwire | xingu: this requires money, and doesn't help :) |
| 01:48.15 | Hotwire | i dont have a problem getting the input |
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| 01:48.33 | Hotwire | the problem is how to match the database of vinyl |
| 01:49.12 | xingu | aah; well, good luck with that. :) |
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| 01:49.53 | Hotwire | xingu: i'm going to need it ;) |
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| 01:50.13 | xingu | Hotwire: at a guess, it's going to be faster to hand enter, but hey; the stumbling block is probably that the input is analog |
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| 01:50.42 | xingu | Hotwire: wheras the various well groomed track databases are keyed from a digital {track, disc} crc of some description |
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| 01:51.23 | Hotwire | well the singal is digital once its passed by sounds cards A/D converters |
| 01:51.25 | xingu | Hotwire: analog sampling will be too imprecise for that strategy; the crc's will differ, even between recording attempts |
| 01:51.30 | xingu | yes |
| 01:51.37 | xingu | but crc-ly imprecise |
| 01:51.49 | Hotwire | the TRM standard allows for such things |
| 01:52.00 | xingu | yup; but how well populated is the dataset? you're about to find out |
| 01:52.19 | xingu | and I'm guessing that if you have a chunk of vinyl, it's not because it's the beegee's greatest 100 singles |
| 01:52.21 | Hotwire | well, i will be providing the dataset |
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| 01:53.04 | Hotwire | really this strategy requires too much computation |
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| 01:53.19 | xingu | fair do; at a guess you'd probably want to run a lowpass filter and normalise the result |
| 01:53.20 | Hotwire | which is why i was hoping for a bright idea ;) |
| 01:53.54 | xingu | Hotwire: here's an interesting thought, do you get reproducable results after passing them through a lossy compressor? |
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| 01:54.34 | Hotwire | xingu: i can fiddle with stuff like that once i have worked out the best way to match the data |
| 01:54.35 | xingu | Hotwire: not so much for the compression/ storage end; just let the compressor do its thing and look to see if it builds up a constant dictionary across runs for the same work |
| 01:54.49 | Hotwire | oh |
| 01:55.02 | Hotwire | sorry i thought the meant the musical effect compressor |
| 01:55.02 | xingu | Hotwire: I think you'll want to lowpass and normalise anyway so that the reference *for your hash* is sane |
| 01:55.04 | xingu | no |
| 01:55.19 | xingu | well, normalise ~= compressor in a way I guess |
| 01:55.31 | xingu | I'd always thought of those compressors as being analogue too, but hey |
| 01:55.37 | Hotwire | not quite, but similar |
| 01:55.42 | xingu | mmm |
| 01:56.09 | Hotwire | you get have a pretty much completely digital studio nowadays |
| 01:56.16 | xingu | Hotwire: so, just centering back up; how about this; lowpass to remove crackle; normalise (or compress, hey!) to get the volume to a reference; then mp3/ogg compress |
| 01:56.48 | xingu | Hotwire: and see if what the mp3/ogg compressor knows at compression time is constant for the same work across sampling attempts |
| 01:56.57 | Hotwire | thats going to end up with a huge data set though |
| 01:56.58 | xingu | Hotwire: ie, dump its state |
| 01:57.08 | Hotwire | i assume that TRM ids are pretty small |
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| 01:57.32 | xingu | Hotwire: can't comment; maybe just dump the compressor state for every n'th digital frame? |
| 01:57.43 | xingu | Hotwire: and yes, it's going to be totally cpu heavy |
| 01:58.06 | Hotwire | that sampling frames is a good idea though |
| 01:58.07 | xingu | Hotwire: or if you prefer, dump all frames and md5sum the lot |
| 01:58.30 | itchi | And i just discover that the light on the switch for the cable goes always on/of |
| 01:58.31 | Hotwire | i can cut back on the numbers of Ids for each track alot then |
| 01:58.37 | peterS | md5sum doesn't seem reasonable, as it doesn't allow any sort of fuzzy matching |
| 01:58.39 | xingu | Hotwire: the basic theory I'm getting at is - a lossy compressor is concerned about frequency and harmonics |
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| 01:58.53 | zoddan | Hi |
| 01:59.04 | xingu | Hotwire: and in theory that doesn't change too much for any given work providing the analog stage is normalised and decrackled/dehissed |
| 01:59.05 | Hotwire | xingu: most of these problems are handled by the TRM ids |
| 01:59.37 | xingu | Hotwire: fair do; so if it's solved art - sum the whole sequence of trm id's? |
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| 01:59.52 | zoddan | how do i run the "base-config" ? |
| 02:00.30 | xingu | Hotwire: or sum them in 5-10s chunks to allow imprecise matching? |
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| 02:00.30 | abrotman | zoddan: in sarge ? |
| 02:00.34 | xingu | Hotwire: obviously you can't recover the trm id's from a summed set; once you've hashed it, it's gone |
| 02:00.58 | zoddan | abrotman: ye |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | just run it ? |
| 02:01.46 | Hotwire | xingu: thanks for your help, i think i have some good ideas now |
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| 02:02.06 | xingu | Hotwire: hey, I'm just thinking off the cuff here, I know *nothing*. :) |
| 02:02.12 | xingu | Hotwire: sounds like a fun project though |
| 02:02.28 | zoddan | how? |
| 02:02.32 | zoddan | what is the command? |
| 02:02.51 | peterS | the command is "base-config" |
| 02:02.58 | zoddan | not working |
| 02:02.58 | Hotwire | with a combination of TRMs starting each ~ 10 secs and some way of detecting when these TRMs start i should be sorted |
| 02:03.03 | zoddan | comnabd not found |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | zoddan: are you root ? |
| 02:03.06 | Hotwire | sudo base-config |
| 02:03.18 | zoddan | yes |
| 02:03.28 | abrotman | zoddan: you sure it's sarge ? |
| 02:03.30 | zoddan | Hotwire: it is not ubuntu |
| 02:03.42 | zoddan | abrotman: no |
| 02:03.45 | peterS | I love how people giving help assume a n00b has sudo (a) installed and (b) configured properly for their user |
| 02:03.46 | abrotman | zoddan: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 02:03.55 | Hotwire | zoddan: you can still configure sudo to allow you to sudo |
| 02:04.13 | abrotman | peterS: at least they don't assume they run everything as root? :) |
| 02:04.15 | zoddan | i font use/have sudo |
| 02:04.16 | zoddan | d |
| 02:04.18 | xingu | Hotwire: measure precise since last zero crossing (of a defined threshold interval) |
| 02:04.24 | itchi | peterS: What's sudo? |
| 02:04.31 | itchi | :-) |
| 02:04.32 | abrotman | itchi: install it .. read docs |
| 02:04.43 | abrotman | zoddan: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 02:04.46 | xingu | Hotwire: ie, this gives you a timecode since the last silence/pause; use that relative offset for your time dimension |
| 02:04.47 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah i know, just played the game ;-) |
| 02:05.04 | itchi | Like i'm a n00b :-) |
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| 02:05.21 | LoneWlf | lol |
| 02:05.33 | xingu | Hotwire: again not precise, and you'll run into trouble if the media has no pause between tracks, but they're rare... ish. :) |
| 02:05.33 | peterS | itchi: well, you made my point. debian users usually do not have sudo, or do not have it configured. I guess ubuntu users do, so in ubuntu help channels it's appropriate to say 'sudo this or that' |
| 02:05.57 | xingu | Hotwire: you could use the pattern of all zero crossings start to end across the media as a rudimentary disc id too. |
| 02:06.07 | LoneWlf | peterS: is this your opinion, or are you basing this on some sort of official statistic? |
| 02:06.10 | xingu | Hotwire: ie, relative to time=0 being the start of the disc |
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| 02:06.14 | itchi | peterS: Yes, in Ubuntu it's default enabled (not that i use Ubuntu). But i not like sudo, so i not use it :-) |
| 02:06.25 | LoneWlf | peterS: I don't have any statistics myself, just curious... |
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| 02:06.34 | peterS | LoneWlf: it's my opinion. particularly people asking for help in this channel are very unlikely to have any idea how to configure sudo, and debian doesn't ship it pre-configured |
| 02:06.38 | Hotwire | this would require constant monitoring of the stream even if i didn't use the interface though |
| 02:07.07 | itchi | Yeah, and sudo is not so easy to understand/configure for noobs btw |
| 02:07.23 | xingu | Hotwire: I honestly think your analog stage is on the hook for whole-disc-schlurp-and-digitise anyway |
| 02:07.28 | Hotwire | itchi: whats why we have google |
| 02:07.54 | Riks | Does the process I'm seeing in the background (dhclient -1 [nic]) only become activated when the lease is about to expire, or it's there all the time? |
| 02:07.59 | xingu | Hotwire: once you've accepted the love that brings, finding zero crossings on an in-memory WAV should only add a few miliseconds. :) |
| 02:08.05 | zoddan | exec: /usr/sbin/termwrap: cannot execute: No such file or directory |
| 02:08.06 | peterS | LoneWlf: for most packages I would just say "it's ok because you can just tell people to install it" but sudo is not at all easy to figure out how to configure |
| 02:08.12 | xingu | Hotwire: did I mention this is going to swallow memory too? :) |
| 02:08.29 | Hotwire | xingu: which is why its all about the TRM ids |
| 02:08.35 | LoneWlf | peterS: that last is a telling point... I myself, use sudo for just about everything, believing the mantra of 'never login as root directly' |
| 02:08.52 | abrotman | uhm |
| 02:08.53 | Hotwire | because then once the database is created i will only have to process 30 secs of data |
| 02:08.57 | zoddan | i get that all over the screen |
| 02:09.08 | zoddan | when i right after the boot |
| 02:09.15 | LoneWlf | peterS: however, most people who have a basic understanding of unix, understand the permission difference, most of the debian users don't need to be told 'as root... do this', etc... |
| 02:09.19 | xingu | Hotwire: ok, but now you've created the "where the hell is the needle geometrically speaking" problem |
| 02:09.20 | zoddan | anyone? |
| 02:09.27 | LoneWlf | peterS: or at least that's my opinion and experience |
| 02:09.29 | Hotwire | xingu: exactly |
| 02:09.31 | LoneWlf | *WEG* |
| 02:09.44 | abrotman | zoddan: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
| 02:09.48 | Hotwire | which is why i would require 100s of IDs per track |
| 02:09.49 | peterS | LoneWlf: yeah, but saying 'as root, ...' is better than saying 'sudo ...' in a help channel. unless it's an ubuntu channel since they pre-configure sudo |
| 02:09.49 | abrotman | zoddan: we need to know what that says |
| 02:10.02 | LoneWlf | peterS: point and game |
| 02:10.03 | zoddan | i dont have any logon prormt |
| 02:10.07 | zoddan | so i cant type anything |
| 02:10.09 | xingu | Hotwire: not sure there's an answer for it - the only constant is that you can start at t=0 at the first zero crossing from needle down |
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| 02:10.16 | LoneWlf | peterS: saying 'sudo ..' this and that is just plain silly |
| 02:10.25 | LoneWlf | peterS: I'm on your team ;) |
| 02:10.27 | xingu | Hotwire: and count ticks from there forward; but as you say, this has implications |
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| 02:10.32 | peterS | (: |
| 02:10.48 | LoneWlf | Actually having used both now (didn't want to _not_ give ubuntu a fair run) I think debian is still the best of the breed... |
| 02:10.48 | xingu | Hotwire: unless you want to build a custom deck that can report the arm's angle... |
| 02:10.53 | zoddan | INIT: id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
| 02:11.00 | itchi | Are there people that use sudo on debian? :-) |
| 02:11.04 | LoneWlf | I'm now stuck buying a new HD to migrate everything off of ubuntu again |
| 02:11.07 | Hotwire | xingu: thats a great idea |
| 02:11.10 | LoneWlf | itchi, I'm one |
| 02:11.24 | itchi | LoneWlf: Yeah, your an Ubuntu user ;-) |
| 02:11.24 | xingu | Hotwire: if you've got the angle of the arm available on your ${exotic futuristic playback device}... it's just trig. :) |
| 02:11.39 | Hotwire | xingu: i dont need to build a custom deck, i can just set up some sort system to monitor it |
| 02:11.49 | xingu | Hotwire: go go mindstorms! |
| 02:11.51 | xingu | :) |
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| 02:12.05 | LoneWlf | itchi, I'll have you know I'm using debian right now, haven't touched the ubuntu box in months, and was using debian a LONG time before ubuntu was ever a thought |
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| 02:12.28 | LoneWlf | itchi, ;-) |
| 02:12.33 | LoneWlf | lol |
| 02:12.41 | LoneWlf | jeez... I'm a bit touchy tonight |
| 02:12.44 | LoneWlf | sorry about that |
| 02:13.36 | xingu | Hotwire: if you don't like the love that a stepper motor or whatever is going to bring, the other variable of course is the head's distance from either perpendicular |
| 02:13.36 | Hotwire | xingu: thanks for coming up with some great ideas, and allowing me to bounce my ideas off you :) |
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| 02:13.50 | xingu | Hotwire: you can measure that with a laser and a mirror and good timing... |
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| 02:14.12 | Hotwire | (this is turning into quite a big project) |
| 02:14.16 | xingu | yeah. :) |
| 02:14.27 | xingu | phase one, build a hotrod turntable |
| 02:14.27 | Hotwire | s/runnow/run now/ |
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| 02:14.37 | xingu | it's a great excuse to go buy a good one though :) |
| 02:14.41 | xingu | belt drive, please. :) |
| 02:14.56 | Hotwire | really it would be better to work out a pure code solution |
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| 02:15.16 | Hotwire | but this would probably require too much computation |
| 02:15.35 | protocol2 | where is the Linux 2.6 kernel configuration file located? |
| 02:15.36 | xingu | Hotwire: well, it's all about finding a phase; zeroing at the start of disc is simplest |
| 02:15.44 | xingu | Hotwire: beyond that; how's this for a trick |
| 02:15.49 | protocol2 | I need to edit a few thing |
| 02:16.05 | xingu | Hotwire: calculate trm id's for 10s runs at every 1s point from needle down |
| 02:16.32 | xingu | Hotwire: if there's no match - it's unknown; if there's a match - you have some phase to lock on to. |
| 02:16.33 | Hotwire | xingu: i'll probably make a prototype that requires starting from a set point on a disc |
| 02:16.34 | smacnay | how does one rename (with the rename script) p1*00*.jpg to p100*.jpg where there is actually a '*' in the group of files to be renamed? I tried this: rename 's/p1*$/p1/' *.jpp - no luck. |
| 02:16.38 | smacnay | oops |
| 02:16.38 | smacnay | .jpg |
| 02:16.56 | xingu | Hotwire: I think you can do a bit better than that; you need to know what minimum resolution the trm thingo quantizes at |
| 02:16.57 | Hotwire | xingu: the trms have to be 30secs i think, |
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| 02:17.00 | tuv | what apps are affected by this kernel sync bug? i know rtorrent is one, but i know of nothing else |
| 02:17.10 | abrotman | smacnay: \ ? |
| 02:17.17 | stoned | hola |
| 02:17.17 | zoddan | INIT: id "1" respawning too fast: disabled for 5 minutes" |
| 02:17.30 | xingu | Hotwire: then - and this is the trick - caluclate all possible variations of the trm id from needle down for the minimum runlength the algorithm supports |
| 02:17.31 | peterS | tuv: lots of apps _could_ be. anything that makes a lot of small writes to a file. |
| 02:17.36 | smacnay | abrotman: I accidentally renamed P1000* files to p*1000* when using the rename command. |
| 02:17.37 | Hotwire | xingu: if the TRM ids aren't too large having 100s per track wouldn't be too bad |
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| 02:17.41 | smacnay | thanks |
| 02:17.47 | LoneWlf | zoddan: have you googled that error msg? |
| 02:17.55 | xingu | Hotwire: so say the trm thingo quantizes internally on 100Hz ticks and needs minimum 30s to train |
| 02:17.57 | zoddan | no |
| 02:18.01 | tuv | petemc, i didn't notice any problems with azureus |
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| 02:18.06 | tuv | oops |
| 02:18.06 | Hotwire | xingu: that sounds non trivial |
| 02:18.09 | tuv | petemc, sorry |
| 02:18.13 | abrotman | tuv: you're slugging people! |
| 02:18.21 | itchi | I'm over ssh in irssi+screen right now, if i unplug the cable for 5 seconds, plug it again, it looks like ssh have loosed the connection and i need to close the window and redo an ssh connection to reatache my screen session. What miss i? |
| 02:18.22 | tuv | peterS, i didn't notice any problems with azureus |
| 02:18.22 | xingu | Hotwire: from needle down - you calculate t=0,30s; t=0.1,30s; t=0.2,30s |
| 02:18.26 | peterS | tuv: he's used to getting messages intended for me. (and vice versa.) |
| 02:18.31 | protocol2 | where is the Linux 2.6 kernel configuration file located? |
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| 02:18.46 | xingu | Hotwire: you literally run the line and calculate *all* the variants; you only need to do them for the minimum run-length though |
| 02:18.54 | tuv | abrotman, looks like you're interested |
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| 02:19.13 | abrotman | tuv: sure ... |
| 02:19.14 | itchi | I thought it was the TCPKeepAlive yes option in the sshd_config |
| 02:19.14 | xingu | Hotwire: so it's either there, and matching, for one of those in the set - at which point you know how far out of phase the needle-down event was with your original sample |
| 02:19.18 | xingu | Hotwire: ... or it's a miss |
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| 02:19.20 | peterS | itchi: dunno, 5s should not be long enough for a TCP connection to drop |
| 02:19.24 | tuv | abrotman, do you have one? |
| 02:19.26 | xingu | Hotwire: make sense? |
| 02:19.37 | abrotman | tuv: a NLSU? |
| 02:19.44 | itchi | peterS: Maybe some little more seconds, not yet many. |
| 02:19.45 | peterS | itchi: yeah, disabling TCPKeepAlive should help |
| 02:19.47 | r3m | EXT3-fs error (device hda4): ext3_get_inode_loc: unable to read inode block -inode=1618879, block3244036 |
| 02:19.48 | r3m | :( |
| 02:19.49 | tuv | abrotman, yes |
| 02:20.02 | Hotwire | xingu: I'm going to have to read some documentation (and hopefully not go source diving) to find out how feasible this will be |
| 02:20.08 | abrotman | tuv: no .. i got rid of most of my exotic hardware |
| 02:20.09 | liable | protocol2: /boot/config-blah |
| 02:20.09 | itchi | peterS: hhhm, so i need to set TCPKeepAlive no ? |
| 02:20.10 | peterS | itchi: but if you're running irssi, it's probably sending a lot of data all the time, so that option isn't going to make much difference |
| 02:20.41 | itchi | peterS: irssi in screen |
| 02:20.42 | Hotwire | xingu: hopefully it will all work out |
| 02:20.50 | abrotman | tuv: wait .. it got downgraded why? |
| 02:20.58 | smacnay | abrotman: I have tried: rename 's/\p1*0$/p10/' *.jpg - no luck. |
| 02:21.09 | tuv | abrotman, they think it has to do with the opensource ethernet driver |
| 02:21.09 | peterS | itchi: yes I know, the point is, irssi by nature sends a lot of screen updates since it displays IRC channels which scroll a lot |
| 02:21.12 | abrotman | smacnay: just get rid of the * in the file na,me |
| 02:21.16 | _Atomo64_ | I've two pcs running debian etch; and I would like to download the .deb packs only once, I've been looking for the apt proxies/caches but I don't know which one I should use; I want to run a daemon on PC1 which will work as a proxy, for both PC1 and PC2; but I want to be able to move the current .deb files I have in /var/cache/apt/archives/ so I don't need to download them again. Which package should I use and how can I move those packages? |
| 02:21.17 | str4 | sup |
| 02:21.24 | abrotman | tuv: i don't get how it's not a debian problem |
| 02:21.25 | tuv | abrotman, which is not in debian because it needs non-free firmware |
| 02:21.31 | xingu | Hotwire: here's a little secret; the analog stages are all running at mains frequency (50/60Hz); and you know that you know what frequency you're sampling at |
| 02:21.40 | smacnay | abrotman: there are a lot of files with the '*' in them now... |
| 02:21.43 | Danamania | gah. just installed from a sarge netinst CD newly burned (3.1r4) and it started downloading testing packages |
| 02:22.03 | tuv | abrotman, at least it cannot be fixed in debian |
| 02:22.14 | abrotman | tuv: that doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist ... |
| 02:22.33 | peterS | Danamania: huh - flashbacks to sarge 3.1r0? (that is the reason 3.1r0a was needed like 6 hours after 3.1r0) |
| 02:22.37 | itchi | peterS: It's because my r1000 no more work, so right now i'm on wifi and need to test several time, so i down that wifi up that eth0 to test and such |
| 02:22.38 | tuv | abrotman, that's why it is still an open bug |
| 02:22.48 | Danamania | peterS: ouch. |
| 02:22.50 | xingu | Hotwire: of the two, probably the most important is the sampling frequency; so say you sample at 44kHz just for giggles; you need to produce a trm from needle down at the sample starting at needle down, at needle-down+1/44k, at needle-down+2/44k, etc. |
| 02:22.57 | abrotman | tuv: yeah .. and still RC ? |
| 02:23.01 | Danamania | I think it's borked my install, I didn't notice until it'd installed some |
| 02:23.14 | abrotman | Danamania: no freaking way ... |
| 02:23.15 | tuv | abrotman, no |
| 02:23.21 | abrotman | Danamania: URL to ISO ? |
| 02:23.24 | tuv | abrotman, but i'm trying to fight back :) |
| 02:23.33 | xingu | Hotwire: and the reason *why*, I'm thinking, is that the sampling of the analog stage is also quantizing it at the same time; it is simply not possible for an analog reading to come in any worse out of phase than your sampling frequency. |
| 02:23.37 | abrotman | tuv: right .. the data problem still exists |
| 02:23.39 | Hotwire | xingu: thats _a lot_ of samples |
| 02:23.41 | peterS | itchi: oh if you are downing interfaces, the ssh TCP connection will certainly notice that. |
| 02:23.47 | tuv | abrotman, it doesn't seem like an ethernet problem to me |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | nor me .. |
| 02:24.02 | xingu | Hotwire: yep; but over say 2x 30s worth of audio before you have a reliable guess? |
| 02:24.04 | itchi | peterS: hhhmm, i changed too TCPKeepAlive no and now it does again right |
| 02:24.08 | abrotman | especially considering the error that is thrown is an NFS error |
| 02:24.29 | Danamania | abrotman: I'm pretty sure I nabbed it from http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-31r4-powerpc-netinst.iso |
| 02:24.30 | tuv | abrotman, and samba works fine! |
| 02:24.31 | peterS | itchi: do you mean that fixes the problem, or do you mean it does not fix the problem? your sentence is a bit ambiguous |
| 02:24.44 | xingu | Hotwire: it's even simpler than that, when you realise that your samples are either 8bit or 16bit pcm; all you're doing is starting the trm algo at array[0], array[1], etc. for 2x 30s worth of data |
| 02:24.57 | abrotman | tuv: yeah! |
| 02:24.58 | Danamania | I downloaded it more than a week ago, but only burnt it off this morning |
| 02:25.02 | abrotman | tuv: kick some ass! |
| 02:25.07 | xingu | Hotwire: or for the 16bit pcm case - array[0], array[2], etc. |
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| 02:25.17 | xingu | Hotwire: zippy zip. I think that one works on paper |
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| 02:25.19 | tuv | abrotman, yessir |
| 02:25.21 | abrotman | tuv: i'd blame peterS |
| 02:25.26 | itchi | peterS: Yes :-) Problem solved :-) (not that r1000 trouble) |
| 02:25.31 | peterS | itchi: cool |
| 02:25.34 | itchi | peterS: Thanks for the tips :-) |
| 02:25.42 | Hotwire | xingu: i doubt that would work in real time on my pc though |
| 02:25.43 | tuv | abrotman, what for? |
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| 02:25.48 | str4 | not sure |
| 02:25.57 | xingu | Hotwire: hmm, interesting point; but does it have to? |
| 02:26.02 | abrotman | tuv: the whole thing! |
| 02:26.12 | itchi | peterS: Yeah, running Etch here, some time need to reconfig some stuff |
| 02:26.17 | xingu | Hotwire: or is getting a belated match worst-case 31s into the track good enough? |
| 02:26.40 | abrotman | tuv: i mean .. the data loss isn't going to go away |
| 02:26.56 | xingu | Hotwire: if the outside case from playing games to find a way to match phase between original sample and what's under the needle is too much - you need to build a funky deck |
| 02:27.04 | kombi | hmm, saslauthd/mux and pid are all root.root, how should one grant access to postfix? (wouldn't like to usermod -G postfix root there..) |
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| 02:27.23 | Hotwire | building decks really isn't an option |
| 02:27.26 | xingu | Hotwire: ... so that the deck itself gives you a position mark |
| 02:27.29 | tuv | abrotman, yes but if it's the firmware that's causing the problem, then nothing can be done by debian |
| 02:27.31 | abrotman | tuv: at least they could leave it RC and tag wontfix |
| 02:27.41 | abrotman | tuv: oh .. you're using firmware ? |
| 02:27.47 | xingu | Hotwire: well, hotrodding an existing deck to tell you either angle or distance on the arm (or its end) |
| 02:27.57 | tuv | abrotman, the opensource ethernet driver does |
| 02:28.04 | Hotwire | xingu: aye |
| 02:28.16 | abrotman | tuv: and the firmware is included when you isntall debian ? |
| 02:28.23 | kombi | anyone..;)? |
| 02:28.37 | tuv | abrotman, you have to agree to a license |
| 02:29.04 | tuv | abrotman, when downloading the installer flash image |
| 02:29.04 | abrotman | oh |
| 02:29.09 | xingu | Hotwire: you can reduce the time taken to match the track, if you go the second way around (ie, the oversampling idea), by storing more id's |
| 02:29.12 | abrotman | tuv: can you try it without the firmware ? |
| 02:29.27 | itchi | I dunno why, with 2.6.18-3-686 my network card no more work, i have recompile the r1000 stuff for this kernel, everythings goes right, no error nor in dmesg. But my card no want to work with this kernel. ifconfig shows my card and so |
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| 02:30.01 | Hotwire | xingu: right, i've really got to shoot now |
| 02:30.02 | tuv | abrotman, there won't be ethernet |
| 02:30.04 | itchi | The light on the network switch goes always on/off/on/off |
| 02:30.10 | xingu | Hotwire: if you store trm id's for a whole track at t=0,10,15s etc - and at each major tick, you store 0+0/44k, 0+10/44k, ... |
| 02:30.10 | Hotwire | xingu: thanks once again :) |
| 02:30.11 | abrotman | tuv: no alternate driver ? |
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| 02:30.23 | blahdeblah_ | Where can i find old Debian packages not currently in the archive |
| 02:30.25 | blahdeblah_ | ? |
| 02:30.25 | xingu | Hotwire: you'll store gobs more data but take less time to hit a positive. |
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| 02:30.28 | wastrel | hi |
| 02:30.34 | xingu | Hotwire: it's a time/space tradeoff - good luck. :) |
| 02:30.40 | tuv | abrotman, there is Intel's driver, which isn't opensource |
| 02:30.43 | Hotwire | indeed |
| 02:30.47 | kombi | how do you change what user a daemon runs as? |
| 02:31.00 | abrotman | tuv: so there's no fully open driver for the NIC ? |
| 02:31.17 | tuv | abrotman, they started using the opensource driver with 2.6.18 kernel only. before that it was Intel's |
| 02:31.35 | abrotman | tuv: but the open source driver still requires a blob right ? |
| 02:31.43 | tuv | abrotman, right |
| 02:31.54 | abrotman | so not *fully* open source :) |
| 02:31.57 | itchi | blahdeblah_: Look for 'debian snapshot' |
| 02:31.59 | kombi | the script in init.d/ ? |
| 02:31.59 | tuv | abrotman, this is becoming the case for most (wireless) ethernet drivers |
| 02:32.09 | zinx | wireless != ethernet |
| 02:32.17 | blahdeblah_ | itchi: Thanks |
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| 02:32.23 | abrotman | wireless == flying packets! |
| 02:32.26 | abrotman | everywhichway! |
| 02:32.39 | xingu | broken ring! |
| 02:32.42 | tuv | abrotman, well if you consider the driver an entity that relies on the firmware, then the driver on its own is fully opensource, but not functional without the firmware |
| 02:33.04 | abrotman | tuv: then to me it's not *fully* open source :) |
| 02:33.08 | xingu | !confuse abrotman |
| 02:33.08 | dpkg | No, where is our snake today, abrotman? shirts of the democracy of tahiti with extra anchovies |
| 02:33.23 | abrotman | take the train! |
| 02:33.30 | tuv | abrotman, yeah well.. that's what's available |
| 02:33.53 | abrotman | tuv: that sucks! |
| 02:34.19 | tuv | abrotman, nfs bug sucks more, as far as i'm concerned |
| 02:34.49 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:37.45 | kombi | ahm.. who/what sets the user for a daemon? |
| 02:37.56 | itchi | Google is not yet so useful right now, i fall on my own site :-) |
| 02:38.37 | kombi | Google is not useful anymore in general.. |
| 02:38.59 | itchi | kombi: ug, usually yes :-) |
| 02:39.17 | kombi | seo spam is killing it.. |
| 02:40.24 | itchi | Yeah, now that tuxmobile an linux on laptop have put the link to my article about my laptop, i got to many traffic, haha, i'm out on my ISP limit an now i suck at 1,5Kb speed :-/ |
| 02:41.17 | tuv | abrotman, and.. what does peterS have to do with any of this?! |
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| 02:41.37 | abrotman | tuv: i don't know .. but i'll tell you after i get to the bottom of this! |
| 02:41.41 | peterS | tuv: nothing. he just likes to blame me for things. |
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| 02:41.50 | abrotman | tuv: he certainly can't be innocent! |
| 02:41.57 | tuv | it's all your fault peterS |
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| 02:42.04 | abrotman | have you ever seen a Pete that was innocent? |
| 02:42.06 | abrotman | !iapf |
| 02:42.06 | dpkg | [iapf] It's All Pete's Fault(http://www.itsallpetesfault.org) |
| 02:42.08 | tuv | that felt good |
| 02:42.10 | _Atomo64_ | I'm trying to setup postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin+clamav; but even after modifying master.cf and restarting postfix, postfix doesn't call amavisd-new; what can I do? |
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| 02:42.36 | peterS | do the bortman |
| 02:42.38 | kombi | _Atom64_: first of all, tail -f syslog |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | !sing abrotman |
| 02:42.42 | dpkg | Oh, do you know abrotman, abrotman, abrotman. Oh, do you know abrotman, he lives on Drury Lane... |
| 02:44.03 | Danamania | curious. 2nd time around it's properly using stable sources. |
| 02:44.25 | peterS | Danamania: same CD, or did you re-download? |
| 02:44.53 | Danamania | same CD - I did it all the same to make sure I'd pay attention to exactly what was happening and when |
| 02:44.54 | kombi | _Atom64_: is amavisd running? |
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| 02:45.18 | peterS | ah ok. 'cause if you _did_ have one of those rare r0 CDs (from that 6-hour window before it was replaced with r0a), that would have done that. |
| 02:46.15 | kombi | why is damn saslauthd now running as root?? ca me gonfle.. |
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| 02:47.39 | peterS | kombi: I thought saslauthd had to run as root in order to read /etc/shadow and such |
| 02:48.09 | kombi | peterS: true actually.. just postfix can't access it then |
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| 02:48.56 | kombi | peterS: could you check on your box maybe? |
| 02:49.19 | peterS | kombi: in fact, hmmm, I thought that was the whole _point_ of saslauthd - as opposed to just putting all that code inside libsasl. a separate process, running with increased privileges. |
| 02:49.30 | peterS | kombi: I don't run a sasl-enabled server, so I don't run saslauthd, sorry |
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| 02:50.05 | kombi | peterS: the remedy would be to usermod -G postfix.root, but that does not feel right in a way.. |
| 02:50.27 | peterS | kombi: or for saslauthd to make its socket available to some other group |
| 02:50.38 | itchi | With awstats 6.4-1sarge3 (sarge), get you browsers/os/comefrom info? |
| 02:50.49 | kombi | peterS: exactly, I just wonder how.. |
| 02:51.08 | kombi | itchi: absolutely |
| 02:51.43 | itchi | kombi: hhhmm, weird, not yet long time ago i have setup awstats, maybe that |
| 02:52.27 | mfi_ | could you guys explain what am I missing cause this ac power shows the % but the wireless mouse is broke |
| 02:52.49 | mfi_ | it's been 71% since I cannot even remember |
| 02:53.06 | kombi | itchi: did you look in the right places? I think almost every log file tool delivers that since it's nicely in the logs |
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| 02:53.42 | itchi | kombi: Yeah, the log files show the info about it, just that awstat not show some info |
| 02:53.50 | dan2 | is it just me or are there X11 issues on amd64? |
| 02:53.58 | kombi | peterS: which leads me to the general question how do you tell a daemon what to run as.. |
| 02:54.45 | dan2 | ~test |
| 02:54.46 | apt | Test Failed! |
| 02:55.14 | peterS | kombi: depends on the daemon. generally they are launched from init scripts in /etc/init.d/. many scripts in /etc/init.d use 'start-stop-daemon' to manage things. start-stop-daemon (which is debian-specific) has --user and --group arguments. |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | dan2: bugs.debian.org ? |
| 02:55.39 | peterS | kombi: if the init script does not use start-stop-daemon, you can get the same effect using 'su someusername -c /usr/sbin/your_daemon ...' |
| 02:56.09 | mfi_ | Hmmmmmm |
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| 02:56.29 | kombi | peterS: I saw some $ params in that script but couldn quite make head or tail of them yet, I'll try the other method |
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| 02:57.49 | piper69 | how are you all |
| 02:58.04 | itchi | piper69: Better, now you're here :-) |
| 02:58.11 | peterS | piper69: this isn't really a social channel, try #debian-offtopic |
| 02:58.54 | piper69 | peterS: then show me how to install hostap instade of oronico |
| 02:59.17 | abrotman | not again! |
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| 02:59.38 | piper69 | abrotman: are you stockin' me |
| 02:59.40 | piper69 | :p |
| 03:00.14 | abrotman | stalking |
| 03:00.33 | piper69 | abrotman: i know you hate it when someone mis type something |
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| 03:01.29 | abrotman | just being helpful :) |
| 03:02.05 | piper69 | abrotman: are you in a mode to show me how to setup the hostap the right way this time? |
| 03:02.13 | abrotman | does your wifi work ? |
| 03:02.34 | peterS | kombi: hmmm, it seems /etc/init.d/saslauthd uses start-stop-daemon, but /etc/default/saslauthd lets you set things like the saslauthd command line. maybe 'man saslauthd' will show some way to adjust the permissions via the command line |
| 03:02.54 | piper69 | abrotman: right now i am using the lapy with the wireless card D-Link DWL 650 |
| 03:03.18 | abrotman | does it work ? |
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| 03:03.29 | itchi | Is there an tool in cli to show somethings like du -sh for each dir? So that i can see what's eating to much. /home is near full |
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| 03:03.40 | abrotman | piper69: if it works .. why do you want to use hostap ? |
| 03:03.52 | piper69 | abrotman: i guess because i am chatting with you from it right now... |
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| 03:04.04 | piper69 | abrotman: because i want to use kismet |
| 03:04.07 | abrotman | itchi: as root .. cd /home/ && ls | xargs du -sk |
| 03:04.14 | kombi | peterS: did man saslauthd already but couldn't find stuff there, looking at it again now.. |
| 03:04.21 | abrotman | piper69: and what happened last time you tried to do this ? |
| 03:04.36 | itchi | abrotman: Thanks! :-) |
| 03:05.18 | piper69 | abrotman: can you be a little specific , when i tried to install the hostap or when i tried to use kismet with oronico? |
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| 03:05.29 | abrotman | when you tried to make hostap work |
| 03:05.48 | kombi | peterS: 'must be run as superuser', nothing on group.. strange.. |
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| 03:06.00 | piper69 | abrotman: i had a hell of a time because i didn't have the right driver i guess |
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| 03:06.27 | kombi | so add postfix to group root after all? doesn't seem right.. |
| 03:06.33 | abrotman | why do you want to use kismet agai n? |
| 03:06.45 | maxo | hi |
| 03:07.25 | maxo | I'm in a desperate situation, I really don't know what to do, it's a nightmarish situation, it's hellish, and if anyone has any suggestions I'd really really appreciate them |
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| 03:07.32 | piper69 | abrotman: just for learing |
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| 03:07.44 | abrotman | !ask |
| 03:07.44 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 03:09.04 | maxo | I was going to install debian alongside windows xp, but the ntfs partition wouldn't resize. So I booted off the windows xp install cd, went into its 'recovery console' and ran the commands 'fixmbr' and 'fixboot'. since then, my ntfs partition seems totally corrupted. the recovery console thinks it's a fat partition, and when I booted off knoppix to check the partition, it's reading its file... |
| 03:09.05 | maxo | ...listings as gibberish. I really don't know what to do, what can I do?? |
| 03:10.29 | maxo | if anyone has any ideas, please feel free, I'm just absolutely terrified I've lost all my data, this is a nightmare |
| 03:10.36 | piper69 | abrotman: was that "!ask for me |
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| 03:10.41 | abrotman | no |
| 03:11.25 | Jazbo | How the heck do I get my fonts (in fluxbox window titles etc...) so they aren't so tiny I can't even read them? |
| 03:11.42 | BrianSteffens | i changed /etc/motd and all worked fine but once i restarted the machine it went back to default.. how can i make it persist? |
| 03:11.51 | piper69 | Jazbo: have you tried view>zoom in |
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| 03:12.42 | Jazbo | piper69: where would I find that? Keep in mind that all my menu fonts are so tiny I can't read them... |
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| 03:15.50 | kombi | maxo: try to rebuild the partition table, I remember something called partition table doctor that does stuff like that |
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| 03:16.48 | maxo | kombi: If the partition table is corrupt, does that mean that you wouldn't be able to read the contents of the partition |
| 03:16.51 | maxo | ? |
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| 03:18.40 | kombi | maxo: It means you are screwed big time |
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| 03:19.02 | maxo | kombi: but aren't the partition table and the data in the partition separate? |
| 03:19.32 | kombi | they are, but the fs has no way of finding it anymore |
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| 03:19.58 | maxo | kombi: so if the partition table was repaired, would everything be ok again? |
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| 03:20.16 | kombi | maxo: you can only hope there.. |
| 03:20.19 | kolloh15 | i got some school work that i saved in many files, how can i put eveything in 1 file inside shell ? |
| 03:20.39 | kombi | kolloh15: man cat |
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| 03:21.20 | abrotman | kolloh15: like a zip ? |
| 03:22.00 | itchi | !gpart |
| 03:22.01 | dpkg | gpart is, like, a great tool to recover partition table when deleted some partitions by mistakes or overwrited the partition table... go get it at: http://metalab.unc.edu/pub/Linux/system/filesystems/gpart-0.1b.tar.gz, or more recent verstion at authors site: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/76201/gpart/, or see also testdisk |
| 03:22.19 | itchi | Look at that |
| 03:22.26 | monelli | gpart is cool |
| 03:22.33 | kombi | gpart is good too, right |
| 03:23.03 | itchi | There's testdisk too, but i think it will not be right for this situation, not yet sure |
| 03:24.05 | itchi | maxo: Have you see the stuff ^ ? |
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| 03:24.28 | kolloh15 | abrotman: i made like dictionary, in diffrent languages, english.txt norwegian.txt, etc and i want to put all the words inside language.txt |
| 03:24.39 | liable | tar it |
| 03:24.48 | liable | oh, nm |
| 03:24.54 | abrotman | kolloh15: you want them as one file .. or as a zip file ? |
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| 03:25.18 | sanmarcos | LONG LIVE SADDAM |
| 03:25.19 | maxo | itchi: yes thanks for that |
| 03:25.20 | kolloh15 | abrotman:inside 1 file, not as zip file |
| 03:25.27 | abrotman | !ops sanmarcos trolling |
| 03:25.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: sanmarcos trolling |
| 03:25.31 | maxo | itchi: do you think I could run gpart from knoppix? |
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| 03:25.49 | abrotman | kolloh15: then yes .. cat file1 file2 file3 BigFile |
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| 03:25.56 | itchi | maxo: If it's on the live cd, sure |
| 03:25.57 | peterS | sanmarcos: you should know better. saddam doesn't even run ubuntu, let alone debian. |
| 03:26.04 | sanmarcos | peterS, hahah :D |
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| 03:26.23 | piper69|Laptop | abrotman: where can i get more info about the hostap please or if you know any other way i can get my card to work with kismet |
| 03:26.25 | markit | I've used dpkg --clear-selections, but I would better not... now seems that all my current packages are marked for uninstall... any idea about how to fix it? |
| 03:26.32 | abrotman | piper69|Laptop: maybe #wireless |
| 03:26.38 | kolloh15 | abrotman: i didnt understand; cat file.txt file2.txt >> bigfile.txt ? |
| 03:26.46 | abrotman | kolloh15: yes |
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| 03:26.56 | markit | a way to "reset" or "rebuild" the selection to the current system state |
| 03:27.41 | itchi | Wooaaaa, my download speed is 4344B/s :-) |
| 03:28.09 | abrotman | mark them all for install ? |
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| 03:28.45 | itchi | abrotman: hehe, i have reach my 2 GB upload limit, my ISP is not yet so nice about that |
| 03:28.55 | liable | !reinstall |
| 03:28.56 | dpkg | i heard reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 03:29.15 | itchi | irssi flash also a bit some time now :-/ |
| 03:29.35 | liable | markit: replace apt-get with --set-selections in example above? |
| 03:29.36 | markit | liable: is not the right answer, unfortunatly |
| 03:29.46 | markit | mmm |
| 03:30.14 | abrotman | sure it is |
| 03:30.19 | markit | dpkg --get-selections now produces a long list with "uninstall" |
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| 03:30.36 | BrianSteffens | anyone here ever set up qmail? |
| 03:31.09 | abrotman | dpkg --get-selections | sed -e 's/uninstall/install/g' or something like that :) |
| 03:31.22 | markit | ok, thanks |
| 03:31.28 | markit | seems a disaster day today |
| 03:31.31 | abrotman | make a new file .. |
| 03:31.35 | markit | 4.31 am now here |
| 03:31.35 | abrotman | then use it to set your selections |
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| 03:32.03 | abrotman | dpkg --set-selections < packageslistfile |
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| 03:33.52 | itchi | I not find any trace why my r1000 not work with this newer kernel, have looked in dmesg, the logs and so. Recompiling the r1000 not give any error, ifconfig show my card. I can ping from the same comp to his ip, but not to another ip |
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| 03:34.47 | liable | itchi: did it actually compile ok? .19 doesnt have config.h and i have had a couple of things borken because of that |
| 03:35.12 | itchi | liable: I have here a 2.6.18-3-686 |
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| 03:35.24 | liable | oh, ignore me then :P |
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| 03:35.50 | zoddan | hi |
| 03:36.01 | zoddan | i cant get X up and runing with my nvidia card :/ |
| 03:36.11 | itchi | liable: Yeah, everythings goes right, no error and so, ifconfig show it, i can up it, down it or whatever, but he not do his job. The light on the switch goes alwasy on/off/on/off/... I dunno what's happend |
| 03:36.44 | liable | itchi: i guess check there bug tracker to see if anyone has mentioned it. |
| 03:36.52 | zoddan | anyone had any luck with this?= |
| 03:37.00 | itchi | liable: It's external stuff :-( that r1000 |
| 03:37.07 | zoddan | what module do i use with those cards? |
| 03:37.39 | liable | itchi: yeah, so check the tracker from where you got it. |
| 03:37.40 | ApEtc | !tell zoddan about nvidia |
| 03:37.41 | ApEtc | That should get you started. |
| 03:37.47 | itchi | liable: The tracker? |
| 03:37.56 | zoddan | ? |
| 03:38.00 | zoddan | what? |
| 03:38.04 | ApEtc | zoddan: Check for a PM from dpkg |
| 03:38.04 | itchi | liable: hhhm, the bug report on Realtek? |
| 03:38.04 | liable | itchi: i am sure they have a bug tracker or mailing list or something |
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| 03:38.19 | zoddan | dont have PM |
| 03:38.20 | pingouin | what can i use to check an HD that come an windows computer, in vfat, i cant mount it, and browse the files on it, thus when it was on the windows computer it doesnt wanted to boot , thanks for any clue |
| 03:38.24 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 03:38.24 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 03:38.27 | zoddan | what module should i use with those cards? |
| 03:38.33 | ApEtc | abrotman: Thank you |
| 03:38.50 | zoddan | i have tested nv, nvidia,glx and fglrc |
| 03:38.55 | zoddan | and non of them works |
| 03:39.03 | abrotman | zoddan: which nvidia card ? |
| 03:39.07 | zoddan | 6800 |
| 03:39.09 | zoddan | agp |
| 03:39.13 | abrotman | should work fine |
| 03:39.24 | zoddan | is says "Failed to load module" |
| 03:39.35 | zoddan | no screens found |
| 03:39.48 | liable | have you compiled the module??? |
| 03:39.54 | zoddan | what module? |
| 03:40.00 | liable | ... |
| 03:40.06 | liable | the nvidia one |
| 03:40.10 | zoddan | i just took "apt-get install x-window-system-core" |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | beardy: we need your help on this one |
| 03:41.08 | zoddan | and i choke autodetect my video hardware |
| 03:41.13 | zoddan | s |
| 03:41.29 | liable | should work with nv |
| 03:41.40 | zoddan | it just says failed to loa module |
| 03:41.44 | zoddan | loa |
| 03:41.46 | zoddan | .. |
| 03:41.46 | zoddan | load |
| 03:42.35 | zoddan | so im lost here |
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| 03:43.34 | zoddan | anyone? |
| 03:43.58 | Jazbo | I've been struggling on an off for weeks now to get my xwindows big enough that I can read them. I would sure appreciate some suggestions... |
| 03:44.11 | zoddan | ?? |
| 03:44.12 | Jazbo | xwindows _fonts_ |
| 03:44.22 | zoddan | hum |
| 03:44.27 | zoddan | seems fuckt up |
| 03:44.40 | hark | zoddan: it dosen't mention which module? |
| 03:45.11 | zoddan | the module its select during the autodetect |
| 03:45.12 | piper69|Laptop | how can i upgrade my kernel from 2.4 to the newer one please |
| 03:45.22 | zoddan | "fglrx" |
| 03:45.59 | liable | a debian install detects fglrx automatically? |
| 03:46.05 | Jazbo | piper69|Laptop: apt-get install <name of new kernel package> |
| 03:46.09 | zoddan | yes |
| 03:46.18 | hark | zoddan: then make sure you have xserver-xorg-video-nv installed |
| 03:46.23 | zoddan | ok |
| 03:46.37 | piper69|Laptop | Jazbo: but i don't know what is the new image name |
| 03:46.42 | piper69|Laptop | how can i found out |
| 03:46.49 | hark | zoddan: and replace fglrx with nv in the xorg.conf file, under Section Device |
| 03:46.55 | Jazbo | piper69|Laptop: apt-cache search kernel image |
| 03:46.58 | zoddan | allredy tested that |
| 03:47.00 | zoddan | no luck |
| 03:47.37 | hark | zoddan: after installing xserver-xorg-video-nv? |
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| 03:47.53 | zoddan | wait, runing another apt session right now |
| 03:48.01 | dan2 | how do I adjust the sensitivity of my keyboard in X |
| 03:48.03 | Jazbo | Is it possible to change the xwindows font without restarting the xserver? Let alone changing the font can I just change the font _size_??? |
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| 03:49.04 | piper69|Laptop | i want to install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 but when i did apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-386 nothing happen |
| 03:49.37 | Jazbo | piper69|Laptop: what do you mean by nothing? was there an error? |
| 03:49.48 | piper69|Laptop | yes |
| 03:50.07 | Jazbo | piper69|Laptop: and the error was...? |
| 03:50.28 | piper69|Laptop | Jazbo: maybe because i am a dump a55 and i need to run it as root |
| 03:50.31 | piper69|Laptop | lol |
| 03:50.37 | abrotman | piper69|Laptop: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 03:50.55 | abrotman | dan2: you mean the repeat rate ? |
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| 03:53.49 | chronographer | Hi all I am having problems with my sound, alsaconf worked fine, I can hear test sounds, but firefox wont play sounds... youtube is silent, pandora also is silent. |
| 03:54.03 | netdaemon | apt-get install alsa-oss |
| 03:54.05 | chronographer | am i missing a plugin or sumpin? |
| 03:54.21 | chronographer | i installed that just now! |
| 03:54.26 | chronographer | do i need a restart? |
| 03:54.34 | netdaemon | a restart of firefox, yes |
| 03:54.49 | wastrel | hi |
| 03:54.51 | chronographer | ok i try that now... |
| 03:55.37 | Jazbo | There must be something really simple I am not understanding about fonts in xwindows... Isn't there some way to change the font size? |
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| 03:57.47 | chronographer | do i need to install support for 3rd party audio for pandora to work? |
| 03:57.54 | chronographer | maybe i am missing codecs? |
| 03:58.02 | netdaemon | not sure about that one =\ |
| 03:58.32 | infernix | is it possible to upgrade a 32bit userspace etch install to 64bit? |
| 03:58.54 | chronographer | i did a base install and then apt-got xfce4 and everything, maybe i should get the codecs? |
| 03:59.24 | zoddan | hark: ok i got one step futher now |
| 03:59.35 | zoddan | hark: i downloaded the xorg nv package |
| 03:59.54 | zoddan | hark: and i got 2 choises, nv and fglrx, i took nv |
| 04:00.07 | zoddan | hark: but now it says "fatal server error" |
| 04:00.20 | zoddan | Failed to initialize core device |
| 04:00.35 | zoddan | Failed to load module "kbd" |
| 04:00.41 | zoddan | Failed to load module "mouse" |
| 04:00.53 | zoddan | AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 04:01.07 | zoddan | No input driver matching kbd |
| 04:01.10 | zoddan | No input driver matching mouse |
| 04:01.25 | hark | zoddan: then install them |
| 04:01.31 | zoddan | hum ok |
| 04:01.36 | zoddan | xorg-mouse and so on? |
| 04:01.42 | hark | zoddan: xserver-xorg-input-kbd etc iirc |
| 04:01.45 | zoddan | ah |
| 04:02.17 | zoddan | wierd |
| 04:02.51 | hark | zoddan: yes, and xserver-xorg-input-mouse |
| 04:02.55 | zoddan | arent those modules are included in the "x-window-system-core" ? |
| 04:03.27 | netdaemon | they should have been |
| 04:03.39 | zoddan | ye it works now :) |
| 04:03.48 | zoddan | needs some tweaking but it works |
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| 04:03.57 | zoddan | do i have 3D acc with "nv" module? |
| 04:04.09 | loopdee | in debain etch, is i2c compiled in , a module or not used? |
| 04:04.11 | netdaemon | no |
| 04:04.13 | hark | zoddan: i don't think so |
| 04:04.17 | zoddan | damn :( |
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| 04:04.51 | hark | zoddan: get the non free driver |
| 04:05.07 | zoddan | ok do i have to compile the kernel? |
| 04:05.21 | netdaemon | there may be a package for it now =) |
| 04:05.21 | abrotman | no |
| 04:05.26 | zoddan | good :) |
| 04:05.30 | netdaemon | apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | does the vesa driver work ? |
| 04:06.09 | zoddan | it says that nvidia-glx is in conflict with "fglrx-driver" |
| 04:06.25 | zoddan | and that the package is "broken" |
| 04:07.13 | zoddan | done |
| 04:07.14 | zoddan | removed fglrx |
| 04:07.14 | zoddan | and installed nvidia-glx |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | fglrx is for ati cards |
| 04:07.41 | zoddan | haha |
| 04:07.43 | zoddan | ok :P |
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| 04:09.08 | zoddan | oo |
| 04:09.23 | zoddan | i got a nice looking "nvidia" logo at the start :) |
| 04:09.28 | netdaemon | =) |
| 04:09.37 | zoddan | i supose that ensures me that is uses the nvidia driver |
| 04:09.40 | zoddan | dah :P |
| 04:10.48 | zoddan | its is a AMD 64 3200+ with 512meg ram, 250gig HDD, nvidia 6800 |
| 04:10.51 | zoddan | MSI K8T mobo |
| 04:11.00 | netdaemon | heh |
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| 04:11.15 | netdaemon | this here is a turion 64 x2 tl-56 with 1 gig of ram, and an 80Gb hd |
| 04:11.26 | zoddan | uhhh.. why am i runing a K7 kernel when A64 is K8 :P |
| 04:11.29 | netdaemon | nvidia 7200 go |
| 04:11.52 | zoddan | netdaemon: that computer is just an extra to play with linux ;P |
| 04:11.56 | zoddan | cpu: AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 3800+, 2.60 GHz |
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| 04:12.00 | zoddan | this is my primary :P |
| 04:12.15 | netdaemon | hehe |
| 04:12.21 | zoddan | graphics card: nVidia GeForce 7900 GT/GTO (1680x1050x32bit 60Hz) |
| 04:12.23 | zoddan | :P |
| 04:12.38 | netdaemon | the only thing wrong with this laptop is the headphone jack not working =( |
| 04:12.39 | zoddan | Samsung 22" Wide, i can really recommend it |
| 04:13.04 | netdaemon | nice |
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| 04:13.16 | zoddan | is there no K8 kernel? :( |
| 04:13.28 | netdaemon | ah |
| 04:13.28 | netdaemon | amd64 |
| 04:13.28 | netdaemon | o_O |
| 04:13.33 | zoddan | ah ok |
| 04:13.34 | pipeline | netdaemon: On my laptop, muting and unmuting the main mixer switches between line-out and speakers. |
| 04:13.51 | zoddan | first time im installing linux on a "up to date" machine |
| 04:13.55 | netdaemon | pipeline, thanks, i'll try that =) |
| 04:14.02 | zoddan | all the others have been like P3 and so on |
| 04:14.57 | netdaemon | pipeline, dosn't work =( |
| 04:15.21 | zoddan | hum |
| 04:15.36 | zoddan | im runing unstable and i have updated the system and stuff |
| 04:15.40 | netdaemon | linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:15.45 | zoddan | but i cant find anyting about amd64 kernel |
| 04:16.03 | netdaemon | :P |
| 04:16.13 | abrotman | there's a module parameter for that |
| 04:16.19 | zoddan | "linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64" |
| 04:16.19 | zoddan | ? |
| 04:16.20 | gnu-linux | hello guys |
| 04:16.29 | netdaemon | zoddan, that'd be the one |
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| 04:16.41 | netdaemon | abrotman, ? |
| 04:16.50 | abrotman | something like soundcard_quirk |
| 04:16.56 | gnu-linux | it is possible you see that irc is a little more low |
| 04:17.06 | abrotman | gnu-linux: huh ? |
| 04:17.13 | zoddan | whatta |
| 04:17.25 | zoddan | netdaemon: i cant search for in with apt |
| 04:17.34 | abrotman | parm: ac97_quirk:AC'97 workaround for strange hardware. (charp) |
| 04:17.38 | zoddan | i got all the other 486,686 and so on |
| 04:17.39 | gnu-linux | no problem, i am updating the database of # on Konversation the irc client |
| 04:17.41 | netdaemon | apt-cache search i think |
| 04:17.43 | zoddan | but no amd64 |
| 04:17.45 | zoddan | :/ |
| 04:17.58 | abrotman | !it |
| 04:17.59 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 04:18.06 | zoddan | netdaemon: why is that? |
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| 04:18.51 | netdaemon | i dunno |
| 04:18.56 | netdaemon | i have it installed on here =\ |
| 04:18.57 | gnu-linux | i finish the job now |
| 04:19.00 | zoddan | cant apt it :( |
| 04:19.03 | netdaemon | aptitude install linux-image-amd64 |
| 04:19.06 | netdaemon | that should get it |
| 04:19.32 | brandon_ | is there a wine package for x86_64 in the debian repos |
| 04:19.47 | abrotman | packages.debian.org |
| 04:19.55 | netdaemon | just documentation ;) |
| 04:20.26 | BrianSteffens | can someone tell me what a good mailserver is? |
| 04:20.29 | zoddan | netdaemon: all that did was removing gcc, g++ |
| 04:20.50 | abrotman | postfix or exim should be simple enough for you |
| 04:21.12 | netdaemon | wierd o_O |
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| 04:21.45 | zoddan | darn |
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| 04:22.00 | zoddan | how do i get that kernel then? |
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| 04:22.25 | VMT2007 | Wow |
| 04:22.32 | wastrel | !reference |
| 04:22.32 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/#contents . Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 04:22.34 | netdaemon | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.18-3-amd64 perhaps? |
| 04:22.36 | VMT2007 | The comp.os.linux.advocacy newsgroups is horribly trolled |
| 04:22.42 | zoddan | netdaemon: nope |
| 04:22.51 | netdaemon | wait |
| 04:22.51 | zoddan | netdaemon: cannot fint package..bla bla |
| 04:22.53 | zoddan | find |
| 04:22.58 | netdaemon | zoddan, you on a 32 bit install? |
| 04:23.01 | zoddan | yes |
| 04:23.04 | netdaemon | that'd be why |
| 04:23.06 | netdaemon | =\ |
| 04:23.08 | zoddan | ok |
| 04:23.17 | zoddan | so i cant use amd64 kernel on 32bit? |
| 04:23.17 | abrotman | zoddan: what's your native language ? |
| 04:23.23 | zoddan | swedish |
| 04:23.26 | netdaemon | nope |
| 04:23.30 | abrotman | !se |
| 04:23.30 | dpkg | se is, like, Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 04:23.35 | abrotman | hey .. it exists! |
| 04:23.38 | zoddan | i know |
| 04:23.38 | abrotman | but i bet noone is there |
| 04:23.42 | zoddan | they are sleeping :P |
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| 04:23.53 | zoddan | 05.23 in the morning :P |
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| 04:24.25 | itchi | zoddan: Some sleep troubles?? ;-) |
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| 04:24.40 | maxo | thanks for all your help :-) goodbye |
| 04:24.41 | zoddan | netdaemon: so i need to download an amd64 netinstall iso then? |
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| 04:24.53 | tuv | abrotman, i just got an I/O error when transferring to the slug using samba :( |
| 04:24.54 | zoddan | itchi: n just addicted to solving dumb problems :P |
| 04:25.02 | abrotman | tuv: ack! |
| 04:25.08 | tuv | abrotman, no traces on samba logs though |
| 04:25.12 | zoddan | itchi: and you? :P |
| 04:25.14 | netdaemon | zoddan, yup |
| 04:25.20 | abrotman | tuv: guess you should append the bug |
| 04:25.20 | itchi | zoddan: shuuut :-) |
| 04:25.24 | zoddan | netdaemon: darn :( |
| 04:25.44 | zoddan | one more disc to hell :P |
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| 04:25.59 | Jazbo | exit |
| 04:26.02 | tuv | abrotman, i'm waiting till the transfer is finished to test for corruption. nautilus offered to 'retry' |
| 04:26.08 | zoddan | netdaemon: is it "ia64" ? |
| 04:26.25 | zoddan | debian-31r4-ia64-netinst.iso |
| 04:26.29 | zoddan | 285MB |
| 04:26.37 | netdaemon | noooo |
| 04:26.40 | netdaemon | amd64 |
| 04:26.41 | zoddan | ok :/ |
| 04:26.44 | abrotman | tuv: oh sure .. it's being nice:) |
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| 04:26.49 | zoddan | there is no amd64 :/ |
| 04:26.50 | netdaemon | ia64 is for itaniums and such |
| 04:26.54 | zoddan | ah |
| 04:27.06 | netdaemon | zoddan, you may have to check the testing netinstall isos |
| 04:27.12 | zoddan | ok |
| 04:27.14 | itchi | zoddan: Intel Arch |
| 04:27.22 | abrotman | tuv: how large of a file ? |
| 04:27.27 | abrotman | tuv: and samba does hav elogs |
| 04:27.34 | zoddan | doh |
| 04:27.35 | netdaemon | amd64 installer was not official at the time of sarge's release |
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| 04:27.36 | tuv | abrotman, checked them.. nothing there |
| 04:27.37 | zoddan | there it is |
| 04:27.40 | zoddan | in the root :P |
| 04:27.41 | zoddan | doh |
| 04:27.42 | zoddan | !! |
| 04:27.42 | dpkg | No sóc el teu puto indicador de csh |
| 04:27.56 | tuv | abrotman, a folder with 2 700MB files |
| 04:28.09 | abrotman | tuv: you're abusing it for fun aren't you ? |
| 04:28.14 | zoddan | hum |
| 04:28.17 | zoddan | no iso :( |
| 04:28.37 | tuv | abrotman, no. my disk is getting full and i need to move stuff to the slug's 250GB disk |
| 04:28.48 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 04:29.40 | tuv | abrotman, but abusing it for fun does sound like a good idea ;p |
| 04:29.46 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:29.50 | zoddan | anyone of you know where i can find a amd64 netinstall iso? |
| 04:29.54 | abrotman | !d-i |
| 04:29.54 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc.net: #debian-boot. |
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| 04:30.12 | abrotman | tuv: you've got to stop pirating so many movies |
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| 04:30.32 | BrianSteffens | :O |
| 04:30.43 | Miramax | BAAAAAAAAAAAAAD |
| 04:30.44 | tuv | abrotman, i do. it's consuming my time |
| 04:30.56 | Miramax | < spy!! |
| 04:31.05 | zoddan | netdaemon |
| 04:31.08 | zoddan | netdaemon: this one?, debian-testing-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 04:31.11 | abrotman | tuv: you don't have to watch them :) |
| 04:31.25 | tuv | abrotman, of course. 'abuse for fun' again |
| 04:31.33 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:31.41 | netdaemon | looks like the one =) |
| 04:31.43 | zoddan | etch_di_rc1 |
| 04:31.47 | wastrel | i like you you're funny |
| 04:32.00 | zoddan | etch is unstable? |
| 04:32.03 | abrotman | no |
| 04:32.06 | Compy | I have a deb system with GCC 3.3.5 on here, libgcc1 was also installed via apt, where is the best place to get libgcc_pic? |
| 04:32.15 | zoddan | testing? |
| 04:32.18 | tuv | zoddan, unstable is always sid |
| 04:32.23 | zoddan | ok |
| 04:32.24 | abrotman | zoddan: currently .. yes |
| 04:32.27 | zoddan | ah |
| 04:32.30 | peterS | Compy: uh, why do you need libgcc_pic? |
| 04:32.32 | zoddan | thanks for all the help :) |
| 04:32.38 | zoddan | you guys are the best ;) |
| 04:32.47 | netdaemon | whats gonna be the name of testing after etch? |
| 04:32.49 | peterS | Compy: I believe the usual solution is just to link libgcc dynamically |
| 04:32.49 | tuv | zoddan, you're the second best |
| 04:32.53 | zoddan | no |
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| 04:32.57 | zoddan | im the worse :P |
| 04:33.18 | abrotman | netdaemon: lenny |
| 04:33.23 | zoddan | haha |
| 04:33.27 | netdaemon | lol |
| 04:33.30 | Compy | peterS: got it, thanks! |
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| 04:35.25 | zoddan | where is everyone from? |
| 04:35.32 | peterS | the internet |
| 04:35.37 | zoddan | he |
| 04:35.39 | zoddan | smart ass :P |
| 04:36.05 | netdaemon | my mothers womb? |
| 04:36.19 | peterS | I'm from a lot of places but 'host -t loc p12n.org' tells you where I am right now |
| 04:36.23 | zoddan | what country then :P |
| 04:36.34 | netdaemon | usa |
| 04:36.43 | zoddan | US OF A :P |
| 04:37.09 | netdaemon | =P |
| 04:37.31 | zoddan | netdaemon: btw usa, getting me an old american made muscle car soon :P |
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| 04:38.05 | zoddan | just need to sell my old crappy volvo fist :P |
| 04:38.17 | netdaemon | lol |
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| 04:39.28 | zoddan | netdaemon: http://195.149.144.149/images/01/0150069394.jpg |
| 04:39.29 | zoddan | :P |
| 04:39.43 | abrotman | you would buy that ? |
| 04:39.48 | zoddan | yepp |
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| 04:40.06 | abrotman | 'Hey guys .. i got an '83 firebird .. i'm so cool!' |
| 04:40.09 | dan2 | abrotman: this Pentium D 3 ghz is pretty slick |
| 04:40.16 | abrotman | yes |
| 04:40.17 | Danamania | zoddan: yum |
| 04:40.32 | zoddan | or |
| 04:40.33 | zoddan | http://213.132.112.100/images/95/9515887543.jpg |
| 04:40.34 | zoddan | ;) |
| 04:40.47 | abrotman | holy god .. i drove one of those |
| 04:40.49 | zoddan | and paint it black and getting me a american polie car siren :P |
| 04:40.51 | abrotman | wait .. not that |
| 04:40.56 | zoddan | thats just kick ass :) |
| 04:40.58 | abrotman | i drove a malibu about the same age |
| 04:41.04 | abrotman | what a heap |
| 04:41.10 | zoddan | kicks ass :) |
| 04:41.48 | abrotman | is that a Kcar on the end ? |
| 04:41.52 | zoddan | :)) |
| 04:41.56 | Danamania | it's a 1980 falcon |
| 04:41.57 | zoddan | talk about nice wheater |
| 04:42.11 | zoddan | we have like 4c here :/ |
| 04:42.11 | Danamania | Australian, that is |
| 04:42.15 | zoddan | and its raining all the time |
| 04:42.23 | zoddan | crappy crapp crapp :P |
| 04:42.43 | abrotman | at least it's not a firebird :) |
| 04:42.49 | abrotman | my first car was .. a fiero |
| 04:43.03 | zoddan | my paretns have a Firebird |
| 04:43.32 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/ta864.jpg |
| 04:43.40 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/ta865.jpg |
| 04:44.16 | abrotman | get a real car .. Pintos are cheap |
| 04:44.23 | zoddan | haha |
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| 04:44.36 | abrotman | at least i didn't suggest a Lynx or something |
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| 04:44.59 | zoddan | :P |
| 04:45.11 | zoddan | well a caprice for me or another volvo |
| 04:45.14 | zoddan | but with a turbo :P |
| 04:45.29 | abrotman | i had a malibu about the same age as that caprice .. not exactly nice cars |
| 04:45.48 | zoddan | abrotman: http://videos.streetfire.net/video/16fd39ff-c421-4507-914f-4b3af4fe7173.htm |
| 04:45.50 | zoddan | kick ass volvo :P |
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| 04:47.03 | zoddan | 530Hk |
| 04:47.07 | zoddan | 714Nm |
| 04:47.07 | zoddan | :) |
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| 04:47.22 | chronographer | hi all, my sound doesn't work in firefox 2.0.0.1 , or 1.5 but works in media player xmms |
| 04:47.28 | abrotman | where's nvz when you need him |
| 04:47.31 | chronographer | any ideas? |
| 04:47.45 | abrotman | is snd_pcm_oss loaded ? |
| 04:47.50 | zoddan | abrotman: well? :) |
| 04:47.53 | chronographer | dont know |
| 04:47.58 | chronographer | alsa-oss is |
| 04:48.00 | abrotman | zoddan: too long |
| 04:48.04 | zoddan | he :P |
| 04:48.11 | zoddan | fast forward then :P |
| 04:48.12 | chronographer | its the same thing yeah? |
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| 04:49.19 | chronographer | help someone with sound in firefox not working, particularly flash based sound i think, pandora and youtube , have no sound |
| 04:51.17 | zoddan | abrotman: ok this one then, http://videos.streetfire.net/search/Volvo+740/0/fce1b145-1aad-4575-a907-988400332af3.htm |
| 04:51.55 | abrotman | no more! |
| 04:51.59 | zoddan | ? |
| 04:52.20 | abrotman | can't watch another! |
| 04:52.24 | zoddan | haha |
| 04:53.00 | zoddan | kicks allot of så called "sports" cars :P |
| 04:53.12 | zoddan | o |
| 04:53.13 | zoddan | :P |
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| 04:53.14 | zoddan | ops :P |
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| 04:53.23 | efaistos_ | hi |
| 04:53.34 | efaistos_ | what are the permissions of your /var/mail/user ? |
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| 04:54.03 | zoddan | haha |
| 04:54.09 | Danamania | zoddan: http://www.danamania.com/temp/pontiac.jpg |
| 04:54.34 | zoddan | all orginal volvos burnouts :P, http://videos.streetfire.net/search/Volvo+740/0/11055bf0-4f2d-4582-a3a9-980e01243b56.htm |
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| 04:56.09 | zoddan | hehe |
| 04:56.15 | zoddan | well i must sleep now :P |
| 04:56.22 | zoddan | 05.56 in the morning :P |
| 04:57.53 | itchi | zoddan: Already go? :-p |
| 04:58.13 | zoddan | ye :( |
| 04:58.20 | zoddan | i will miss you to ;) |
| 04:58.52 | itchi | haha |
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| 04:59.07 | chronographer | hey all my flsh isn't working, how to install in xfce? |
| 05:00.05 | zoddan | he |
| 05:00.09 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/desk.jpg |
| 05:00.10 | zoddan | :P |
| 05:00.14 | zoddan | need some cleaning :P |
| 05:00.57 | Cyis | zoddan: cleaner than my desk here |
| 05:01.00 | zoddan | :P |
| 05:01.15 | pipeline | zoddan: Your desk sucks. |
| 05:01.21 | zoddan | why? :( |
| 05:01.25 | pipeline | zoddan: You drink too much soda and you live with your parents. |
| 05:01.32 | zoddan | haha |
| 05:02.05 | itchi | hehe |
| 05:02.13 | netdaemon | a few absolute vodka bottles ;P |
| 05:02.14 | zoddan | whine :P |
| 05:02.18 | itchi | zoddan: And too clean for a geek, your not one! |
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| 05:02.26 | zoddan | :( |
| 05:02.51 | zoddan | ok one sec |
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| 05:03.10 | itchi | zoddan: Gona mess the things? |
| 05:03.29 | Cyis | at my old job back in CA you could see the top of my desk in my cubicle twice in the 5 years I worked there... when I started and when I left |
| 05:04.37 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/corner.jpg |
| 05:04.41 | zoddan | more crap :P |
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| 05:05.28 | itchi | zoddan: Now one of below your bed and your good :-) |
| 05:05.40 | zoddan | haha |
| 05:06.07 | tuv | zoddan, hey, is that a supermicro tall case? |
| 05:06.22 | zoddan | ? |
| 05:06.29 | zoddan | the one with a "top" ? |
| 05:06.43 | zoddan | without |
| 05:06.48 | tuv | zoddan, actually, no the topless :) |
| 05:07.05 | zoddan | thats a InWin Fulltower |
| 05:07.17 | keram | how do i completely erase the fs on a disk |
| 05:07.44 | deadcat_ | keram: fdisk |
| 05:08.32 | keram | then what |
| 05:08.34 | keram | i did fdisk /dev/sdb |
| 05:09.11 | keram | now how do i erase it? |
| 05:09.24 | Cyis | I had to get a storage unit for all my computer stuff we couldn't find room for here in our new apartment |
| 05:09.57 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/IMG_0045.jpg |
| 05:10.16 | deadcat_ | thats alot of MB |
| 05:10.21 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/IMG_0048.jpg |
| 05:10.42 | zoddan | oo the best comes here |
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| 05:10.54 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/IMG_0050.jpg |
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| 05:11.00 | zoddan | jummy :) |
| 05:11.44 | zoddan | o |
| 05:12.15 | zoddan | this one to :P |
| 05:12.21 | zoddan | haha you gotta love this one :P |
| 05:12.25 | zoddan | perfect for this channel :P |
| 05:12.28 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/banner.jpg |
| 05:12.31 | zoddan | mohaha :P |
| 05:13.02 | tuv | #debian is turning into a gallery :) |
| 05:13.09 | zoddan | he |
| 05:13.19 | zoddan | well its all fun and games :P |
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| 05:13.36 | Danamania | zoddan: you need more computers. |
| 05:13.44 | zoddan | Danamania: ye i know |
| 05:14.01 | zoddan | got a PDA to :P |
| 05:14.09 | zoddan | Dell axim, 624Mhz :P |
| 05:14.38 | itchi | zoddan: That last sucks to many, burn it |
| 05:14.49 | zoddan | haha :P |
| 05:15.05 | itchi | zoddan: At least that word 'partner' |
| 05:15.11 | zoddan | ;) |
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| 05:18.21 | zoddan | hum |
| 05:19.41 | zoddan | well |
| 05:19.44 | zoddan | gnight |
| 05:19.46 | zoddan | bight |
| 05:19.50 | zoddan | must go to sleep now |
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| 05:29.13 | efaistos_ | I added this to my user_prefs file --> whitelist_from_rcvd perl@mongueurs.net mongueurs.net but my mails are still considered as spam ... does someone know why ? |
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| 05:41.39 | liable | !fiw |
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| 05:52.17 | dan2 | hrm |
| 05:52.24 | dan2 | I can hear myself through the mic |
| 05:52.32 | dan2 | but my programs aren't getting the audio |
| 05:52.33 | dan2 | aye |
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| 06:00.38 | azrail | i get this error |
| 06:00.46 | azrail | slillwolf@w0lfb0x:~$ sleep 10 |
| 06:00.46 | azrail | Segmentation fault |
| 06:00.50 | azrail | how do i fix dat? |
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| 06:03.11 | azrail | hello? |
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| 06:11.49 | azrail | hellllllllllllllllllo |
| 06:11.51 | azrail | ! |
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| 06:13.00 | liable | yes, hello.. |
| 06:13.16 | liable | !segfault |
| 06:13.16 | dpkg | i guess segfault is Core dumped or see Netscape, or ask me about sig11, or the program tried to access memory that it didn't own |
| 06:13.50 | liable | 2 days, 24 beers to drink. I accept the challenge! |
| 06:14.18 | itchi | liable: Cans or liters to drink? :-) |
| 06:14.44 | liable | cans, i dont think i could quite manage litres :) |
| 06:14.50 | itchi | hehe |
| 06:14.55 | itchi | We never know :-) |
| 06:15.25 | liable | i like my beer, but i dont think i could drink that much. my body isnt big enough |
| 06:15.45 | itchi | liable: If i drink one, im sure you gona see me jumping on the table :-) |
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| 06:16.04 | pipeline | liable: Actually, very small men hold the record for beer consumption. A baseball player and an australian football player. |
| 06:16.05 | liable | itchi: one pot screamer? |
| 06:16.18 | liable | pipeline: dont forget boonie! :) |
| 06:16.21 | pipeline | itchi: Fun fact: alcohol acts as a stimulant in small doses. |
| 06:16.22 | itchi | I extremely rarely drink somethings, im to fast druken hehe |
| 06:16.42 | bokey | itchi, happy new year :) |
| 06:16.49 | itchi | bokey: ;-) |
| 06:17.04 | bokey | itchi, so how's cube 2 ? |
| 06:17.08 | itchi | bokey: You to fast |
| 06:17.11 | bokey | itchi, hehe :) |
| 06:17.25 | itchi | bokey: eeuhhm i have played 15 mins i think |
| 06:17.32 | bokey | itchi, like it ? |
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| 06:17.51 | itchi | bokey: I'm not a game, i'm already to nervous, yeah, the game is nice ;-) |
| 06:18.01 | itchi | The r sucks now it's looks |
| 06:18.05 | bokey | itchi, hehe.. |
| 06:18.09 | bokey | itchi, :) |
| 06:18.31 | Guerin | beer good |
| 06:18.33 | bokey | itchi, i scanned my system, for nexuiz data files my clamav reported a virus. :( |
| 06:18.46 | itchi | bokey: I'm fighting to get maniadrive packaged, need to learn some more stuff before i get it done |
| 06:18.47 | Guerin | that's my contribution to the conversation which appears to have finished |
| 06:18.58 | bokey | itchi, ok. :) |
| 06:19.19 | bokey | !beer itchi |
| 06:19.24 | bokey | !beer Guerin |
| 06:19.28 | bokey | :) |
| 06:19.34 | Guerin | mmm |
| 06:19.35 | itchi | !beer liable |
| 06:19.43 | itchi | bokey: Not forget him! |
| 06:19.43 | liable | had a couple of tasty pints of Guiness last night actually |
| 06:19.52 | bokey | !beer liable |
| 06:19.53 | Guerin | i'm throwing a NYE bash tomorrow night |
| 06:19.56 | bokey | !beer me |
| 06:20.04 | bokey | ahha... :) |
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| 06:20.26 | Guerin | will start out by burning animal and fish carcases over a hot fire, then burning everything on the beach on an even hotter fire |
| 06:20.31 | liable | Guerin: doin a hungey? (or however the fuck you spell it..) |
| 06:20.40 | liable | ah, course.. |
| 06:20.42 | Guerin | liable: not enough land for it |
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| 06:20.59 | liable | what, you cant dig a 4ft hole? |
| 06:21.04 | Guerin | hangi, yeah, me and the bro and sister are going to do one later in the summer |
| 06:21.10 | Guerin | liable: nope. |
| 06:21.19 | liable | bummer |
| 06:21.26 | Guerin | my mum's place is hal;f an acre, though, so it's all good |
| 06:21.53 | Guerin | liable: unlike you dipsy strayans, we believe in having cities you can walk around, so we don't let people have huge sections willy nilly |
| 06:22.31 | liable | Guerin: meh, we have barbies on every street corner! |
| 06:22.56 | Guerin | yeh |
| 06:23.05 | Guerin | my street has a beach for that purpose |
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| 06:25.17 | secher | So, I bring in a friend of mine to show off the technical chat room #debian and how efficient and helpful the GNU/Linux community is, but warn her not to talk in here cause it's a tech channel, and we're chatting about beaches. LOL.. Heyas all.. Hope your Christmas was merry. |
| 06:25.18 | itchi | liable: Again drunken! ;-) |
| 06:26.15 | itchi | liable: It's not nice with me, im it to fast haha, i can never do an challenge of it |
| 06:27.02 | liable | itchi: i am not much of a heavy drinker myself, just constant :) |
| 06:27.16 | itchi | liable: Some time i like 'pisang', hmmm banana :-) |
| 06:28.04 | liable | bokey: normally situated at the sides of islands, continents.. next to the ocean. :) |
| 06:28.16 | Guerin | secher: bear in mind we're all drunk and/or stoned, or in the process of becoming so |
| 06:28.57 | bokey | hehe |
| 06:29.20 | liable | well, a job based indoors.. |
| 06:29.21 | bokey | i'm off guys. :) hehe.. |
| 06:29.36 | liable | cept for stacking groceries as a teenager |
| 06:29.37 | Guerin | liable: technically, an aircraft has doors |
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| 06:29.53 | bokey | liable, itchi Guerin have a safe new year celebrations.. it's gonna start here soon. :) |
| 06:30.01 | Guerin | !fix Danamania |
| 06:30.03 | liable | Guerin: you have me on that one, quite often they were removed though |
| 06:30.15 | liable | bokey: same to you. |
| 06:30.16 | itchi | bokey: :-p |
| 06:30.38 | liable | 23 to go! |
| 06:31.06 | itchi | liable: You gona reach it, i feel it ;-) |
| 06:31.37 | liable | itchi: i am at peak performance, this being holiday season and all. :) |
| 06:31.47 | itchi | hehe |
| 06:36.37 | liable | bokey: where the hell are you that new years will start soon? in the next time dimension? |
| 06:37.22 | itchi | liable: He is in Australia i think |
| 06:37.35 | Danamania | hey what who |
| 06:38.07 | liable | its still the 30th in .au, and indeed everywhere on the globe |
| 06:38.34 | itchi | liable: Yup :-), but kinda late there, compared to here |
| 06:39.07 | liable | itchi: i am in .au |
| 06:39.52 | itchi | hhmm, so far :-p |
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| 06:42.12 | liable | whats that lttle app that lets you see the time in other countries? |
| 06:42.36 | Danamania | kothercountrytime |
| 06:42.40 | Danamania | I made that up btw. don't look for it |
| 06:42.51 | itchi | liable: kworldclock? |
| 06:42.53 | liable | !beat Danamania |
| 06:42.58 | liable | its console |
| 06:43.10 | itchi | hhmm, that will be cool |
| 06:43.25 | liable | its part of base, i just cant remember it |
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| 06:44.35 | liable | wheres peterS when you need to know obscure apps |
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| 06:48.05 | blahdeblah_ | Hi. What's the officially recommended place to store your search path when using resolvconf? |
| 06:49.41 | blahdeblah_ | And a related question: if i run a statically-addressed DNS and DHCP server, is there any advantage in running resolvconf at all? |
| 06:49.41 | liable | DAMN, I JUST DROPPED A CHEWED OFF FINGERNAIL UNDER MY CAPSLOCK KEY |
| 06:49.56 | blahdeblah_ | liable: Don't chew your nails! ;-) |
| 06:50.07 | itchi | hehe |
| 06:50.09 | Danamania | liable: was it yours, or a victim's? |
| 06:50.09 | liable | blahdeblah_: yes mom |
| 06:50.20 | itchi | liable: 22 ? |
| 06:50.33 | blahdeblah_ | liable: Looks like you got it out OK... |
| 06:50.51 | liable | I JUST TIPPED MY LAPTOP OVER AND SHOOK IT OUT |
| 06:50.53 | liable | oops |
| 06:51.04 | liable | itchi: 22 what? |
| 06:51.19 | itchi | liable: Beers left :-) |
| 06:51.40 | liable | nope, 23 still, 3/4 through number 23 |
| 06:51.49 | liable | err, number 2 |
| 06:52.14 | itchi | liable: 20 mins with one beer :-) |
| 06:52.36 | liable | itchi: slow and steady wins the race |
| 06:52.52 | itchi | hehe |
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| 06:53.21 | blahdeblah_ | So does anyone want to talk about resolvconf, or have i inadvertently stumbled into #beer? |
| 06:53.52 | liable | blahdeblah_: you generally dont need resolvconf |
| 06:54.04 | liable | blahdeblah_: in fact i am not sure why it exists at all |
| 06:54.51 | blahdeblah_ | liable: I'm pretty sure it's for roadwarrior laptops |
| 06:55.12 | itchi | liable: I dunno, not find that cli app there, will be nice to replace my kworldclock |
| 06:55.43 | liable | blahdeblah_: i have a laptop, and dhcp servers give you your dns, or pppd or whatever, for static ip's, i think you can put it in interfaces file |
| 06:57.05 | Cyis | I use resolvconf to handle my DNS so that when I bring up my VPN tunnels it adjusts resolver automatically |
| 06:57.13 | blahdeblah_ | I think i'll just remove resolvconf - i can't see a good reason for having it on a DHCP/DNS server |
| 06:57.49 | Cyis | if I'm not mistaken if you're running bind on the machine with resovlconf it'll always adjust to point to localhost |
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| 06:58.10 | blahdeblah_ | Cyis: Yes, but it doesn't seem to find the search path anywhere |
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| 06:59.14 | Cyis | I define my search path in my /etc/network/interfaces using dns-search entries |
| 06:59.52 | dan2 | ~pentium d |
| 07:00.08 | blahdeblah_ | What happens if it gets a search path from DHCP? |
| 07:00.29 | Cyis | blahdeblah_: not sure... I usually only use DHCP for installation... after that I use static IPs |
| 07:01.14 | blahdeblah_ | I think it's easier just to get rid of it in my situation |
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| 07:01.52 | liable | what the hell does that search line do anyway? its something i never bothered to look up.. |
| 07:02.28 | Cyis | liable: sets the default domains to search through if it doesn't see a period (.) in the hostname to try resolving |
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| 07:03.37 | Cyis | ie- I use an internal domain of ".undergrid" here so I set my search to 'undergrid' ... if I try to resolve 'theone' it tries to resolve as 'theone.undergrid' first then any "domain" entries |
| 07:04.30 | Cyis | I then have separate 'search' for my VPN tunnels so when I bring up a tunnel it changes my search domain to my company's internal domain when my tunnel into the office is active |
| 07:05.14 | Cyis | I also change my DNS to the server for that VPN tunnel and use dnsmasq to still use the default resolver DNS servers if it's not destined through the tunnel |
| 07:05.24 | itchi | liable: sunclock is kinda nice too, gui |
| 07:06.12 | Cyis | well it's after 2am and I had a full day at work and then wife and I drove 2 hours to pick up a kitten we're adopting and back... sleep is calling me |
| 07:06.19 | liable | itchi: nah, i just was wondering what the console one was, i think its might have even been date, but didnt see the option in the man page, and couldnt be bothered reading the info pages |
| 07:06.39 | liable | Cyis: you seem to do many miles |
| 07:07.15 | Cyis | liable: it was about 120 miles from my office to the place we met up to get the kitten |
| 07:07.18 | blahdeblah_ | Cyis, liable: thanks for your help |
| 07:07.24 | Cyis | blahdeblah_: no problem |
| 07:07.33 | liable | Cyis: expensive kitty |
| 07:07.51 | itchi | liable: Gona of, if you find it tell it me later ;-) i like to much the cli too |
| 07:07.57 | liable | blahdeblah_: yw |
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| 07:08.29 | liable | blahdeblah_: though i dont think i actually helped at all, but if you want more unhelp, you know where to find me :) |
| 07:08.33 | liable | bah |
| 07:09.04 | Cyis | liable: someone on an online community my wife is a member of had her boyfriend kick her out and she had to find homes for her 8 cats... we took one in... the others were all placed with good homes and other members chip'd in money to help get the cats to their new homes |
| 07:09.40 | liable | Cyis: nice |
| 07:09.41 | Cyis | this makes 3 cats in the house now... and he's the youngest at 6 months... |
| 07:10.14 | liable | tis the season to take in cats, rather than have em euthanased |
| 07:10.16 | Cyis | our other two we've had for awhile.. he's almost 14 and she's 2 |
| 07:10.22 | Cyis | yeah... |
| 07:10.35 | Cyis | some of the money that was donated was given to us to go get him fixed |
| 07:10.36 | liable | always depressing to see the stats on animals at this time of year |
| 07:11.09 | Cyis | yep... wife and I are both animal lovers... she's an animal empath I swear |
| 07:11.38 | liable | heh, my brother and his wife have a managerie |
| 07:11.43 | Cyis | she can't watch some of the shows on Animal Planet without getting emotional about the abuse issues |
| 07:11.54 | Cyis | we're also both alergic to pet dander :) |
| 07:12.03 | liable | dander? |
| 07:12.26 | Danamania | Cyis: ungh. I wrote them a nasty letter a few weeks ago for a funniest animal videos piece. |
| 07:12.42 | Cyis | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dander |
| 07:13.15 | liable | oh, animal dandruff |
| 07:13.19 | Cyis | yeah |
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| 07:13.56 | liable | they reckon if you had a cat when you grew up, you are less likely to develop allergies |
| 07:13.59 | Cyis | well wife is starting to drag me off to bed... |
| 07:14.08 | liable | of course, this will be contradicted next year |
| 07:14.44 | Cyis | liable: How about the fact my 'baby' brother is 6 times normal allergic to household dust... guess that blows the theory of if you're around something you won't develop an allergy to it :) |
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| 07:15.00 | resistance | hello everyone, i just setup my debian etch for dual display using a tutorial i found in ubuntu, and now as soon as x server start, both screens go blank |
| 07:15.04 | resistance | any ideas? |
| 07:15.17 | netman1 | Good morning All. Which package is responsible for creating the /usr/local hierarchy of directories? |
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| 07:15.59 | netman1 | resistance: what do your logfiles (gdm.log and X*.log) say? |
| 07:16.00 | Cyis | resistance: I've done dual head display before... unfortunately I'm on the way out to go to bed with my wife... if you're stil having trouble in the afternoon when I'm back I'll help |
| 07:16.45 | resistance | cyis: ok. i hope to have it fixed by then.............. happy hunting |
| 07:16.58 | liable | Cyis: i wasnt saying if you were around 'foo', they reckon if you were around cats |
| 07:17.27 | liable | Cyis: anyway, as i said, they will prolly discount it next year, nite |
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| 07:17.35 | Cyis | nite |
| 07:17.37 | resistance | netman1: you c, before when i had trouble i used another workstation and putty to get back in and fix, no it seems like the whole thing is screwed, i can't even putty ot nothing |
| 07:17.37 | dan2 | how do I get the java plugin working on amd64 |
| 07:18.02 | resistance | is there anyway i can stop xserver from running when iboot? |
| 07:18.12 | liable | resistance: remove *dm |
| 07:18.33 | liable | or the symlink anyway |
| 07:18.46 | resistance | liable: i cannot get a command prompt |
| 07:18.58 | liable | resistance: ctl+alt+F1 |
| 07:19.02 | netman1 | resistance: wouldn't remove it, though, just mv /etc/init.d/gdm /etc/init.d/gdm-disabled |
| 07:19.29 | dan2 | is there a 32 bit build of mozilla you can get on amd64 |
| 07:19.48 | netman1 | liable: I think he only has access from windows (he's using putty) |
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| 07:20.22 | resistance | i don't even have access from putty right now |
| 07:20.25 | resistance | something went |
| 07:20.45 | resistance | i need to somehow keep xserver from statrting |
| 07:21.11 | resistance | ctl+alt+f1 doesn't even work:D |
| 07:21.16 | liable | resistance: you cant get vt1 by using ctl+alt+f1?? |
| 07:21.31 | Danamania | When etch goes stable, and sarge becomes oldstable, how long should sarge's binaries stay online to be used for netinstalls, roughly? |
| 07:21.49 | resistance | liable: nope |
| 07:22.04 | netman1 | resistance: reboot, break grub, press 'e', add a '1' to your boot line. |
| 07:22.05 | liable | resistance: boot it in singl mode then |
| 07:22.19 | resistance | i think it hangs the system |
| 07:22.25 | liable | netman1: no need, its the rescue mode thing that grub supplies |
| 07:22.49 | liable | resistance: well, then you have bigger problem than x |
| 07:22.53 | netman1 | liable: ok |
| 07:23.06 | resistance | no, i mean x hangs the system |
| 07:24.16 | resistance | i got command prompt in single user mode, but i can't putty nor sftp |
| 07:24.38 | liable | hrm, sshd should still start |
| 07:24.48 | liable | try starting it from init.d script |
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| 07:26.48 | dan2 | !amd64 |
| 07:26.52 | dan2 | ~amd64 |
| 07:26.57 | apt | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or at http://www.jukie.net/~bart/debian/amd64/ |
| 07:27.06 | liable | hehe, i only just noticed, my laptop has a led for bluetooth, and it even has a tiny little 'TM' next to it :) |
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| 07:27.37 | liable | dan2: to run 32 bit firefox on 64, i think you need a 32 bit chroot |
| 07:27.54 | dan2 | liable: hmm, I suppose that would work |
| 07:28.03 | dan2 | liable: any other way I can get some 32bit gtk libs? |
| 07:28.27 | dan2 | that's all I need |
| 07:28.35 | dan2 | I've covered all the other 32bit dependencies |
| 07:28.35 | liable | dan2: i have no 64 boxen so my foo is weak. try #debian-amd64 |
| 07:29.03 | resistance | liable: sshd requires execution with an absolute path :D |
| 07:29.09 | liable | dan2: i thought they just put the 32bit libs in another dir.. |
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| 07:29.29 | dan2 | liable: they did |
| 07:29.35 | dan2 | liable: /usr/lib32 |
| 07:29.47 | dan2 | liable: works pretty well seamlessly without a chroot |
| 07:30.26 | liable | dan2: you have just hit my limit of 64 knowledge :) |
| 07:30.43 | liable | 21 to go! |
| 07:30.58 | resistance | i don't think my ethrnets up, i can't ping the machine |
| 07:31.25 | liable | resistance: that sshd error was from the init script? |
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| 07:31.52 | resistance | yes |
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| 07:32.05 | linux_jones | so what is the best method for remote desktop? |
| 07:32.09 | liable | resistance: remove the dm symlink from rc2.d and 'telinit 2' |
| 07:33.29 | flamesrock_ | hey, kind of OT, but does anyone know the name of that site which lists expiring 4 and 5 letter domains? |
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| 07:34.28 | liable | resistance: your networking *should* be up in single mode though |
| 07:34.49 | liable | linux_jones: best is subjective |
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| 07:37.50 | linux_jones | ok, and sugestions? |
| 07:38.01 | linux_jones | any* im sorry |
| 07:38.40 | liable | vnc doesnt do what you want? you want security? want to log into windows boxen? want to tunnel over ssh? |
| 07:39.17 | linux_jones | i havnt tried anything yet, i just thought i would ask here for any advice before i try to set this up |
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| 07:40.39 | liable | linux_jones: try vnc, google about it, see if it fits your needs. its easy to implement, but may not be what your after. |
| 07:41.05 | resistance | what is the dri in xorg.conf? |
| 07:41.10 | Guerin | liable: x forwarding over ssh or xdmcp |
| 07:41.31 | Guerin | linux_jones: ↑ |
| 07:41.34 | liable | Guerin: i dont want it |
| 07:41.48 | Guerin | resistance: dri=direct rendering infrastructure, a form of accelleration |
| 07:42.19 | Guerin | impossible! |
| 07:42.19 | resistance | ok, xserver wont start because it says not dri capable, what can i tweak? |
| 07:42.36 | liable | i hate seeing it, because it reminds me that i dont have it |
| 07:42.46 | Guerin | muhahaha |
| 07:42.47 | liable | that shouldnt be fatal |
| 07:42.58 | Guerin | resistance: drxx and tell it to not use dri |
| 07:43.04 | resistance | i know, i fixed to that point |
| 07:43.24 | resistance | Guerin: could u clarify? |
| 07:43.33 | Guerin | !drxx |
| 07:43.33 | dpkg | drxx is, like, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 07:43.37 | Guerin | resistance: do that |
| 07:43.56 | liable | dri isnt a fatal problem |
| 07:44.18 | resistance | liable, wouldn't it keep xserver from starting? |
| 07:44.25 | liable | no |
| 07:44.58 | liable | resistance: show me the line that says, dri disabled, FATAL |
| 07:45.14 | liable | no foo blah |
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| 07:46.40 | resistance | well i screwed up somewhere in my xorg.conf because when i x start my screens go blank |
| 07:46.44 | linux_jones | how do i fix a computer that is asking for a install cd everytime i try to apt-get things |
| 07:46.56 | liable | resistance: so remove what you added |
| 07:47.12 | liable | linux_jones: comment out the cd lines in sources.list |
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| 07:47.51 | linux_jones | liable, where are the sources.list again? /etc? |
| 07:48.07 | resistance | liable: i added lines to try and get desktop spanning, i need to solve the problem to get it to work? |
| 07:48.27 | resistance | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 1 is not DRI capable |
| 07:48.31 | liable | linux_jones: /etc/apt |
| 07:48.44 | resistance | (EE) AIGLX: Screen 0 is not DRI capable |
| 07:48.53 | liable | resistance: thats not fatal, you can disable aiglx |
| 07:48.57 | Guerin | resistance: try commenting the DRI section of the xorg.conf |
| 07:49.00 | resistance | i think this is y they are blanking, is that right? |
| 07:49.12 | liable | resistance: that EE is one of the few that isnt fatal to the server |
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| 07:49.32 | resistance | Guerin, the same thing happens, and then i can't get into my machine unless i boot with singleuser |
| 07:49.32 | Guerin | linux_jones: updatedb && locate sources.list |
| 07:49.38 | Guerin | resistance: ok. |
| 07:49.45 | Guerin | that's not good |
| 07:50.14 | resistance | Guerin, would u mind taking a look at my .conf and c if u can c anything? |
| 07:50.22 | Guerin | yes, I would |
| 07:50.30 | liable | resistance: look further down, i dont think what you have is actually a fatal error, its just confused the server, because for all intensive purposes, it appears to start |
| 07:50.40 | Guerin | i know nothing about xorg.conf beyond the basic structure |
| 07:51.01 | Guerin | resistance: for one thing, you might try being less economical with keystrokes |
| 07:51.06 | resistance | liable: ok, nothing seems amiss further down, no errors |
| 07:51.28 | Guerin | but your best idea is to paste the output of grep EE /var/log/xorg.log |
| 07:51.33 | liable | resistance: check ~/.xsessions |
| 07:51.43 | liable | resistance: check ~/.xsession-errors |
| 07:52.15 | liable | or /var/log/?dm/ |
| 07:54.46 | azrail | i get this error |
| 07:54.59 | azrail | Segmentation fault |
| 07:55.01 | azrail | how do i fix dat? |
| 07:55.23 | liable | !dat |
| 07:55.23 | dpkg | [dat] (Digital Audio Tape) This type of magnetic tape at one point threatened to supplant the normal audio cassette with a better quality alternative. Unfortunately, it never really took off due to idiotic licensing issues that kept its price high. However, the small tapes took off big in the computer industry. You can get DAT drives today that hold up to 20 GB of data. Audio DAT tapes are not compatible with data drives. |
| 07:55.34 | Guerin | azrail: dat? Normally you'd have to tape the two ends together with clear tape and hope it didn't jam. |
| 07:55.59 | liable | nail polish works |
| 07:56.08 | liable | apparently |
| 07:56.15 | Danamania | and then back it up asap |
| 07:56.17 | Guerin | mm, true |
| 07:56.17 | resistance | ok ,there is talk about a framebuffer device |
| 07:56.31 | liable | resistance: paste your log somewhere |
| 07:56.56 | azrail | what? |
| 07:56.58 | Guerin | when I was at film skool we'd sometimes get people from the sckool of music wanting to use our editing desk to splice broken tapes together of once-only recordings |
| 07:57.00 | azrail | how do i fix it ? |
| 07:57.12 | Guerin | azrail: you wanted to fix a DAT tape? |
| 07:57.16 | Guerin | we told you. |
| 07:57.52 | azrail | illwolf@w0lfb0x:/home/trancer/psybnc$ ./psybnc |
| 07:57.53 | azrail | Segmentation fault |
| 07:57.57 | azrail | dat tape ? |
| 07:58.07 | Guerin | azrail: there's no other kind of DAT I know of. |
| 07:58.12 | liable | why the nick change? |
| 07:58.19 | azrail | what dat? |
| 07:58.25 | Guerin | azrail: your psybnc segfault is caused by you not building it against the right libraRIES, PROBABLY |
| 07:58.28 | azrail | ohh |
| 07:58.30 | azrail | u moron |
| 07:58.31 | resistance | http://pastebin.com/847717 |
| 07:58.32 | azrail | dat = that |
| 07:58.33 | Guerin | !u |
| 07:58.34 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 07:58.51 | Guerin | azrail: no, dat = `I'm too retarded to type an extra key' |
| 07:58.54 | azrail | you moron* |
| 07:58.56 | liable | !seen Jim |
| 07:58.56 | dpkg | jim <~jim@cpe-24-143-144-111.cable.alamedanet.net> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 33d 12h 36m 10s ago, saying: 'Voodoo: you would mount /dev/vg2/lv2'. |
| 08:00.05 | azrail | Segmentation fault how do i fix THAT error! |
| 08:00.51 | Guerin | azrail: you rebuild psybnc against the right shiot, or you fix the ram in your computer, or you get your host admin to raise your ulimits |
| 08:00.59 | Guerin | depends on the circumstances |
| 08:01.36 | azrail | im root? |
| 08:01.37 | liable | resistance: use the debian one or .ca .. .com is horeendously slow |
| 08:01.44 | Guerin | azrail: then do it yourself |
| 08:01.47 | azrail | also i get that error when i type "sleep" |
| 08:01.53 | azrail | lol do what? |
| 08:01.58 | azrail | im asking you how to do it! |
| 08:02.01 | Guerin | azrail: what does sleep do? |
| 08:02.09 | Guerin | !sig11 |
| 08:02.09 | dpkg | i guess sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 08:02.16 | Guerin | azrail: that's what's wrong |
| 08:02.19 | Guerin | ↑ |
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| 08:02.40 | azrail | Guerin so.. |
| 08:02.45 | azrail | Guerin how do i fix it ? |
| 08:02.59 | Guerin | azrail: you can't fix it unless you knwo what the problem is |
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| 08:03.12 | resistance | http://pastebin.ca/296522 |
| 08:03.18 | Guerin | azrail: as I said, it's *probably* that it's been misbuilt |
| 08:03.21 | azrail | Guerin how do i find out what the problem is ? |
| 08:03.30 | azrail | Guerin well |
| 08:03.32 | Guerin | azrail: but if it happens to other programs too, it may be faulty ram |
| 08:03.46 | azrail | Guerin i had debian installed for over 3 weeks now and untill lastnite |
| 08:03.52 | liable | resistance: if you unplug second screen? |
| 08:03.53 | azrail | Guerin i started getting that error. |
| 08:03.57 | Guerin | azrail: the first thing you could do it run memtest86 for 24 hours or so |
| 08:04.04 | azrail | Guerin one sec hes other one! one tick ladz. |
| 08:04.07 | Guerin | azrail: does it happen with everything? |
| 08:04.26 | azrail | well |
| 08:04.31 | azrail | Guerin look at this |
| 08:04.50 | azrail | ./sbin/dhclient-script: line 15: 4948 Segmentation fault mv -f $new_resolv_conf /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 08:05.03 | azrail | thats an error i get when i type.. "dhclient" |
| 08:05.13 | Guerin | azrail: ok. Read the links above under `sig11', then consider running memtest86 |
| 08:05.28 | Guerin | azrail: you need to let it run at least overnight, preferably 24 hours or more for a good test |
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| 08:05.31 | azrail | !sig11 |
| 08:05.32 | dpkg | well, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 08:05.49 | azrail | lol ok after it has ran will it fix it ? |
| 08:06.18 | liable | resistance: gimme your conf too |
| 08:06.34 | resistance | liable: with one screen it works |
| 08:06.37 | Guerin | azrail: no. It'll tell you if it's the hardware which is broken. If not, it's the software. |
| 08:06.45 | Danamania | it may tell you that your hardware is screwed up. If it does, then you'll have to start replacing RAM. You could probably do it just as easily by changing RAM sticks around |
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| 08:07.33 | azrail | so i run memtest86 now ? |
| 08:08.17 | Guerin | azrail: run it from now until next year |
| 08:08.24 | azrail | memtest86 - A thorough real-mode memory test |
| 08:08.27 | azrail | next year? |
| 08:08.28 | Guerin | hell, it'll give you a chance to go out into the big room with the blue ceiling and the enormous heat-lamp |
| 08:08.42 | azrail | what you on about ? |
| 08:08.47 | Guerin | azrail: yeah. two-double-oh-seven is closing in rapidly |
| 08:09.02 | azrail | i am not a jew |
| 08:09.08 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:09.18 | Danamania | azrail: if your RAM can survive a couple of days of memtesting, then it's probably OK |
| 08:09.22 | Guerin | no, apparently you're an alient from a foreign land |
| 08:09.28 | liable | resistance: (WW) RADEON(0): Invalid Monitor type specified for 2nd port |
| 08:09.30 | azrail | yes an alient! |
| 08:09.38 | azrail | dont u mean alien ? |
| 08:09.39 | Guerin | welcome to our humble planet |
| 08:09.44 | azrail | cheers |
| 08:09.52 | Guerin | yes, I do. I see you have studied our language! |
| 08:09.56 | azrail | lmao |
| 08:09.59 | liable | where the fuck did jews come into the conversation? |
| 08:10.04 | azrail | i cant even download an install a package |
| 08:10.11 | Guerin | liable: he's an alient, give him a break. |
| 08:10.14 | azrail | dpkg-deb: subprocess tar killed by signal (Segmentation fault) |
| 08:10.14 | azrail | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/memtest86_3.2-1.1_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 08:10.18 | Guerin | probably star-lagged or something |
| 08:10.26 | Guerin | azrail: yes, that's the catch-22 |
| 08:10.36 | Guerin | azrail: use a boot image like knoppix |
| 08:10.47 | resistance | liable: when i plugged out one monitor, i got the kdm and logged into kde i could work around, but the ethernet was down and some other services |
| 08:10.53 | azrail | k |
| 08:12.10 | liable | resistance: WW) RADEON(0): Failed to detect secondary monitor, MergedFB/Clone mode disabled |
| 08:12.17 | liable | resistance: your conf is not right |
| 08:12.23 | Guerin | here's one for the summer: you know your freezer isn't tough enough when ... you leave beer in overnight and it doesn't freeze |
| 08:12.24 | azrail | cant i use system restore ? |
| 08:12.37 | Guerin | azrail: be our guest. |
| 08:12.51 | azrail | how but ? |
| 08:13.02 | liable | Guerin: thats pretty bad considering where you live |
| 08:13.03 | Guerin | azrail: dunno. Did you make backups? |
| 08:13.10 | azrail | hmm nah |
| 08:13.18 | liable | it must be what? 25C there? |
| 08:13.33 | Guerin | liable: our current hypothesis is that the fridge is set too cold, so the freezer doesn't get enough juice |
| 08:13.40 | Guerin | liable: only on a really hot day |
| 08:13.43 | Danamania | azrail: even if you reinstalled everything fresh from known-good archives, it still wouldn't fix a hardware problem. |
| 08:14.02 | liable | Guerin: so put the beer in the fridge! |
| 08:14.13 | Danamania | azrail: personally, I'd swap out some RAM sticks and see if it still fails, then if it does, swap the other ones back in, and then run memtest |
| 08:14.22 | azrail | Danamania but i didnt install any hardware lately |
| 08:14.27 | Guerin | liable: but making it cold fast enough is still a freezer's work |
| 08:14.32 | azrail | ok |
| 08:14.32 | Guerin | in absence of ice cubes |
| 08:14.42 | liable | Guerin: or LPG |
| 08:14.45 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:14.49 | Danamania | azrail: what may have happened (and it does happen) is your RAM died |
| 08:14.57 | azrail | lol |
| 08:15.00 | liable | or co2 fire extinguishers |
| 08:15.01 | azrail | really? |
| 08:15.07 | Guerin | and it can happen for no apparent reason |
| 08:15.07 | azrail | and ram cant be fixed right? |
| 08:15.13 | Danamania | azrail: whether or not you had anything new in, regardless of the age of the RAM, regardless of the age of the machine or quality of your power, sometimes it happens |
| 08:15.16 | Guerin | it can be replaced, but not fixed |
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| 08:15.32 | liable | patch for bad mem?? |
| 08:15.33 | azrail | Ok |
| 08:15.38 | Guerin | i had a stick of ram which would only work in some motherboards |
| 08:15.41 | Danamania | azrail: aye. though it's cheap and replaceable, and easy to test for |
| 08:15.50 | azrail | yeh wel |
| 08:15.51 | azrail | l |
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| 08:15.54 | azrail | thanx guys! |
| 08:15.55 | maxy | yes, it just allocates the bad regions at boot, so noone else can |
| 08:15.59 | Danamania | Guerin: I just came across one yesterday. Works in one G3, kernel panics the other one regularly. |
| 08:16.00 | azrail | have a good one! |
| 08:16.03 | azrail | nite nite |
| 08:16.03 | Guerin | once I figured out the pattern, it was solid as - but put it in the wrong board and it gave no end of hate |
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| 08:16.09 | Guerin | Danamania: nice |
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| 08:16.24 | Danamania | painful, but nice to know it's not the machines :) |
| 08:16.29 | Guerin | yeah, innit |
| 08:16.40 | Guerin | when dealing with antique gear like you have |
| 08:16.40 | Danamania | or not something that can't be worked around with other RAM modules at least |
| 08:16.45 | Danamania | haha. yeah |
| 08:16.54 | Danamania | thankfully sdram is still cheap & all over the place. |
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| 08:16.59 | Guerin | yeh |
| 08:17.10 | Guerin | i even have some! |
| 08:17.27 | Danamania | now finding 16MB 30-pin simms... that's something else entirely. |
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| 08:17.38 | resistance | liable: i don't know wtf, here's my conf: http://pastebin.ca/296526 |
| 08:17.56 | linux_jones | does anyone know the desktop sharing port? |
| 08:18.46 | liable | 8011 or something close |
| 08:18.54 | liable | google vnc port |
| 08:18.55 | Guerin | linux_jones: one of the ones between 1025 and 65thousandandsomething |
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| 08:19.23 | Guerin | if you're too lazy to googleyou could set up a shell script to test |
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| 08:19.35 | liable | resistance: why have you got the (b) device? that pci bus doesnt exist according to the log |
| 08:19.44 | gnuyen | i installed a broken deb |
| 08:19.48 | gnuyen | and need to remove it by hand |
| 08:20.01 | gnuyen | how can i make dpkg think a package was never installed? |
| 08:20.25 | streuner_ | heh |
| 08:20.44 | resistance | (WW) RADEON(1): Direct Rendering Disabled -- Dual-head configuration is not working with DRI at present. |
| 08:21.01 | streuner_ | gnuyen: well, man apt-get and man dpkg |
| 08:21.04 | liable | resistance: THAT FUCKING WARNING MEANS NOTHING |
| 08:21.18 | resistance | liable: i had the one monitor setup up as desktop flat panel, i changed that to crt, now i get the above in the log |
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| 08:21.59 | liable | resistance: but the log shows the pci bus of device (b) as not existing |
| 08:22.00 | resistance | holy fuck |
| 08:22.34 | gnuyen | I have read the man for dpkg |
| 08:22.42 | gnuyen | and it doesn't seem to do what i want it to |
| 08:22.53 | resistance | liable: i have the 9250 card with both outs on the same card? |
| 08:23.03 | liable | gnuyen: paste the dpkg errors somewhere when you try and remove the package |
| 08:23.10 | resistance | maybe i should have it conf differently |
| 08:23.11 | streuner_ | show us the error in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:23.40 | liable | resistance: thats why i wonder why the pci info is wrong |
| 08:24.18 | liable | resistance: and your "second monitor" is attached to that bus (device (b)) |
| 08:24.24 | ak70 | hi, it seems that the latest emacs-snapshot in sid uses much more CPU(70%) when editing lisp programs on my system, does anyone have the same problem? |
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| 08:24.55 | liable | resistance: i actually know nothing about dual head setups, but the log says device (b) doesnt exist |
| 08:24.59 | gnuyen | test: 7: remove: bad number |
| 08:24.59 | gnuyen | exit: 8: Illegal number: -0 |
| 08:24.59 | gnuyen | dpkg: error processing awcommon (--purge): |
| 08:24.59 | gnuyen | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:26.00 | liable | gnuyen: lemme guess, this is a .deb you got from some non debian web site? |
| 08:26.03 | resistance | liable: look at this now: http://pastebin.ca/296535 |
| 08:26.05 | gnuyen | yes |
| 08:26.10 | gnuyen | well no |
| 08:26.13 | gnuyen | it's an aliened rpm |
| 08:26.18 | gnuyen | and i want to get rid of it |
| 08:26.24 | gnuyen | cuz it didn't install properly |
| 08:26.26 | gnuyen | and borked my system |
| 08:26.41 | gnuyen | i want it to NOT do prerm and postrm |
| 08:27.27 | liable | resistance: k, that one shows :3 |
| 08:27.32 | dondelelcaro | gnuyen: so remove the postrm and prerm and purge it. |
| 08:28.41 | gnuyen | i don't know how? |
| 08:28.47 | gnuyen | where that is stored? |
| 08:28.57 | streuner_ | /var/log/dpkg/info/ |
| 08:29.06 | resistance | liable do u see that monitor conf error? |
| 08:29.14 | streuner_ | gnuyen: wait ;-) |
| 08:29.28 | liable | resistance: sec. the 3:0:1 threw me |
| 08:29.43 | streuner_ | gnuyen: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 08:29.52 | huhlig | hey is there anyway to make dpkg dump its known packages and only keep the installed list? |
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| 08:29.58 | gnuyen | thanks |
| 08:30.21 | liable | resistance: yeah, i mentioned that monitor error before |
| 08:30.41 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: not without munging with the status file. |
| 08:30.53 | dondelelcaro | there's basically no reason to ever bother with that |
| 08:30.58 | liable | resistance: hwinfo |
| 08:31.10 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, space |
| 08:31.11 | gnuyen | thanks! |
| 08:31.12 | gnuyen | that will do |
| 08:31.25 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, can I remove the source package list at least? |
| 08:31.27 | resistance | liable: i'm to this now, take a look: http://pastebin.ca/296537 |
| 08:31.47 | huhlig | or same problem? |
| 08:32.48 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: there are far greater space savings to be had elsewhere. |
| 08:32.59 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, any suggestions |
| 08:33.05 | huhlig | I need to remove about 20 megs |
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| 08:33.33 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: ditch /var/cache/apt/*.bin and the archives FE. |
| 08:33.44 | huhlig | ok |
| 08:33.50 | huhlig | thats what I was wondering |
| 08:33.50 | pab | Saddam has been executed. I wonder how many Iraqis use Debian. And how they fair. Gotta be tough. |
| 08:34.08 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, its an embeded system |
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| 08:34.16 | streuner_ | !politics |
| 08:34.17 | dpkg | hmm... politics is Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #debian, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
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| 08:35.04 | liable | resistance: and you changed your conf to get that how? |
| 08:35.16 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, so var/cache/apt/*.bin is safe to remove without problem? |
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| 08:35.30 | liable | resistance: try hwinfo and see what it says about the second monitor |
| 08:35.34 | Guerin | Saddam Hussein is nobody, now. Nobody cared when Pol Pot died, either. |
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| 08:35.48 | resistance | yes: i'm wondering if it has something to do with the fact that i am using an adapter, are u familier with the 9250 carD? |
| 08:35.55 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: yes. |
| 08:35.58 | liable | resistance: no |
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| 08:36.04 | huhlig | dondelelcaro, any other suggestions? |
| 08:36.11 | liable | resistance: i am not familiar with dual head at all |
| 08:36.44 | resistance | liable, see the card has two outs: one with the white connection (digital) and one analog |
| 08:36.51 | huhlig | hmm for a pseudo directory /proc is huge |
| 08:36.53 | dondelelcaro | huhlig: /usr/share/doc, /usr/share/man, locales that you aren't using, etc.s |
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| 08:40.06 | liable | i want a dog, but work commitments make it impossible |
| 08:40.08 | streuner_ | Guerin: the point is rather, Was that trial fair, after 2 judges need to be changed, i doubt that, and i guess nobody cares about that *either* NOW. |
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| 08:40.41 | dondelelcaro | liable: get an aibo? ;-) |
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| 08:42.24 | arriba | hi |
| 08:42.28 | liable | dondelelcaro: heh, bots dont quite have that unconditional warmth and love as dogs :) |
| 08:42.50 | arriba | i am haveing trouble with xsane on etch |
| 08:43.03 | arriba | it doesn't recognize the installed printer |
| 08:43.20 | liable | but then again, i guess they dont shit in the lounge room either |
| 08:43.33 | resistance | is there a way to remotly restart the xserver |
| 08:43.56 | liable | resistance: from ssh? yes, /etc/init.d/?dm restart |
| 08:44.04 | liable | if its started from a dm |
| 08:44.15 | liable | which from what you said, it is. |
| 08:44.32 | Guerin | streuner_: fairness still ultimately matters. |
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| 08:45.13 | resistance | kdm not responding to term signal |
| 08:45.25 | liable | kill -6 kdm |
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| 08:46.18 | yang | hello liable |
| 08:46.30 | liable | yang: hola |
| 08:46.30 | yang | can you tell what buggers my GPRS connection ? - http://paste.debian.net/19190 |
| 08:48.07 | liable | yang: lcp-echo-failure 0 and lcp-echo-interval 0 in wvdial.conf |
| 08:48.18 | resistance | what does this mean: (WW) RADEON: No matching Device section for instance (BusID PCI:3:0:1) found |
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| 08:48.38 | resistance | would one port have a different busid |
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| 08:48.51 | chronographer | hello, my system timi is wrong, how do I change it? |
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| 08:49.08 | liable | resistance: i *think* you can ignore that, as its not talking about the id's you have in your conf |
| 08:49.10 | chronographer | im using etch with xfce, the clock is 13 vhours out |
| 08:50.25 | liable | chronographer: tzconfig for setting the right TZ and ntpdate for syncing |
| 08:50.28 | resistance | liable, i'm going to change the 2nd device bus id to match that to see what heppenes |
| 08:50.40 | chronographer | ok |
| 08:50.42 | chronographer | thx |
| 08:51.08 | liable | resistance: your second dev is correct, thats what confused me before, but if you read the log, your conf is actually correct |
| 08:51.34 | chronographer | do i need to get ntpdate?> |
| 08:51.51 | liable | chronographer: probably, its not installed by default |
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| 08:52.08 | resistance | liable: now i can actually get into kde :D |
| 08:52.16 | resistance | but i have identical screens |
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| 08:52.26 | liable | resistance: \0/ |
| 08:53.29 | resistance | so in other words i can ignore that, like u said |
| 08:53.35 | yang | liable: you probably meant /etc/ppp/options? |
| 08:53.59 | liable | yang: no, you can put it in wvdial.conf if you are still using wvdial |
| 08:54.10 | yang | it showed up as error |
| 08:54.20 | resistance | i don't know wtf i'm getting this:(**) RADEON(0): MonitorLayout Option: |
| 08:54.20 | resistance | Monitor1--Type TMDS, Monitor2--Type ÷8 |
| 08:54.35 | resistance | c the monitor 2 type? |
| 08:55.10 | chronographer | liable: it says no serveers can be used... man doesn't help |
| 08:55.16 | yang | liable: for some reason , i cannot ping or traceroute, when connection is established... |
| 08:56.12 | liable | yang: it is actually a pppd option, but wvdial should be able to pass it to pppd |
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| 08:57.25 | yang | maybe the sim isn't gprs enabled |
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| 08:58.17 | liable | yang: no, i think it should work, you are connecting, its known that gprs doesnt reply to lcp |
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| 09:00.02 | yang | i get inet address 172.24..... and p-t-p 11.0.0.1 address |
| 09:00.20 | linux_jones | so the only time i have ever connected to this remote computer it has been ssh, and now i have got vnc set up and its connecting, but all i get is the screen before anything loads, am i mising something here? |
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| 09:00.39 | mfi_ | Hi, My power management preferences is broken it seems or it been showing 71% since day one |
| 09:00.43 | mfi_ | any idea guys? |
| 09:01.29 | mfi_ | installed Debian "testing" 4 days ago |
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| 09:01.48 | liable | 71% of what? battery? |
| 09:01.53 | mfi_ | yeah |
| 09:02.03 | mfi_ | for my wireless |
| 09:02.14 | mfi_ | the ac adapter is okie I suppose |
| 09:02.28 | arriba | my printer is not being recognized by xsane |
| 09:02.38 | chronographer | liable: you coulda just said use "date" |
| 09:02.47 | chronographer | :) |
| 09:02.58 | liable | chronographer: yeah, sure. |
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| 09:03.40 | arriba | any idea? |
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| 09:04.12 | liable | yang: is it disconnecting now though? |
| 09:04.28 | yang | liable: now, now it stays |
| 09:04.43 | liable | yang: does the connection work? |
| 09:04.49 | yang | liable: no |
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| 09:05.29 | yang | liable: with the other SIM, i get the error init string failed when i dial *99# |
| 09:05.38 | liable | yang: that option shouldnt change the gateway or whatever options you get from the provider |
| 09:05.44 | yang | with the first sim, at least i get connected |
| 09:05.59 | liable | yang: so fix your init string |
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| 09:06.53 | yang | liable: i think it's the right string |
| 09:07.15 | liable | yang: then it should work :P |
| 09:07.33 | yang | if it works for one sim, it should also for the other...but i guess the modem card is blocked only to one provider |
| 09:08.05 | liable | yang: no, different strings for the different providor. the card is locked by the sim card |
| 09:08.43 | liable | yang: one sim card connects, but you cant actually use the net? |
| 09:08.47 | yang | i mean itsd blocked to only one sim |
| 09:08.55 | yang | nope, i cant use the net |
| 09:09.29 | yang | maybe they have no roaming |
| 09:09.36 | yang | for gprs |
| 09:09.48 | liable | yang: wierd though if it connects |
| 09:10.35 | liable | yang: the card should work for whatever sim card it has, if it doesnt, the card manufacturer needs to be shot |
| 09:11.02 | yang | liable: its a T-mobile "locked" card i would say |
| 09:11.12 | yang | made for german SIMs |
| 09:11.26 | yang | from their promotions |
| 09:12.01 | liable | no idea |
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| 09:15.52 | yang | liable: i will try it later with the UMTS phone, seems i can't do much anymore with the pcmcia card |
| 09:16.29 | liable | yang: i would be talking to the supplier and asking for info. |
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| 09:17.28 | yang | liable: well it was bought second hand so i cant do much |
| 09:17.40 | liable | yang: that makes me wonder about my inbuilt wwan iface, if its locked to a providor i will have to throw a major tizzy fit, but i cant see how it could be seeing as it uses a sim card |
| 09:17.57 | jago | i tried to use Xephyr to get a creen shot of my login but i get errors (Could not init font path element /usr/share/fonts/X11/cyrillic, removing from list!) |
| 09:18.02 | jago | help please |
| 09:18.20 | liable | yang: imho, it should work with whatever sim card you have |
| 09:18.40 | yang | i simply get error - invalid dial string |
| 09:18.47 | liable | jago: do you have those fonts? |
| 09:18.54 | jago | i dont know |
| 09:18.56 | yang | and funny, its the provider's own sim |
| 09:19.18 | jago | how do i get them |
| 09:19.22 | liable | yang: because #99 prolly isnt the correct string for that provider. what provider is it? |
| 09:20.10 | liable | jago: ls /usr/share/fonts/X11/ |
| 09:20.48 | yang | liable: its correct i asked in their service |
| 09:21.01 | liable | yang: what provider? |
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| 09:21.36 | jago | it is not there, how can i get it |
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| 09:22.15 | liable | jago: apt-get install xfonts-cyrillic |
| 09:22.21 | jago | thanks |
| 09:22.33 | DimmuR | morning |
| 09:22.39 | liable | afternoon |
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| 09:23.51 | liable | yang: ?? |
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| 09:29.01 | norc | I have a problem with xorg fonts. Im currently using a proggy font, but since curses applications like mc require the control chars I just added them with fontforge, but when I do this I cannot find them anymore using xfontsel (after mkfontdir && xset fp rehash) |
| 09:29.05 | norc | any ideas? |
| 09:29.18 | jago | now i get the error "Could not init font path element /usr/X11R6/lib/ X11/fonts/Type1, removing from list!" is the space the problem and if so how can i fix it |
| 09:29.30 | norc | jago: remove those paths from your xorg.conf |
| 09:29.41 | jago | thank you |
| 09:30.13 | liable | jago: you can safely ignore those errors, but yeah, remove them from the conf |
| 09:30.23 | jago | thank you |
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| 09:34.34 | norc | jago: besides, it is not an error, but simply a warning I guess |
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| 09:36.17 | rahul | HAPPY NEW YEAR |
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| 09:42.58 | linux_jones | is xdmcp only for x11? |
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| 09:53.43 | jago | I am also getting a nother error "Extended Input Devices not yet supported. Impelement it at line 625 in ../../../../hw/kdrive/src/kinput.c" can i ask for help with this one too? |
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| 10:05.01 | jago | I type "Xephyr -query localhost :2" and i get "XDMCP fatal error: Manager unwilling Host unwilling" can this be helped????? |
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| 10:08.20 | maxy | --- channel is quiet, showing every join/part |
| 10:08.35 | maxy | I guess my script is right :) terribly quiet |
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| 10:12.02 | CharminTheMoose | MOOSE! |
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| 10:13.26 | concept10 | fucking windows just BSODed me in the middle of a fucking song |
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| 10:15.22 | BrianSteffens | hello everyone. i installed gnome and now when i startup it goes directly to the login screen for X.. how can i make it so i have to issue 'startx' from the real fullscreen terminal before that will happen? |
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| 10:18.28 | Joki2 | hi all |
| 10:18.46 | BrianSteffens | hi |
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| 10:18.46 | maxy | BrianSteffens: uninstall/disable xdm / kdm |
| 10:19.23 | Joki2 | i have the latest debian version 3.1 r4, but i have an xserver problem, i can't start it...... |
| 10:19.25 | BrianSteffens | maxy: neither are installed |
| 10:19.48 | tuv | pcspkr module keeps loading on boot although i have 'blacklist pcspkr' in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. etch 2.6.18 with udev |
| 10:20.07 | maxy | BrianSteffens: gdm? |
| 10:20.23 | BrianSteffens | yea cool thanks |
| 10:20.34 | Joki2 | what is the AGP busid? |
| 10:20.58 | liable | tuv: remove the .ko, that'll fuck it :) |
| 10:22.11 | tuv | liable, i'm curious why is this happening. /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist should take care of it |
| 10:23.01 | liable | discover? isnt there two files that do it, or was that in the hotplug days.. |
| 10:23.11 | liable | !blacklist |
| 10:23.11 | dpkg | Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist. IMPORTANT: ask about blacklist-initramfs |
| 10:23.21 | tuv | yeah.. that's for sarge |
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| 10:24.59 | tuv | liable, i used to comment out its alias in /etc/modprobe.d/pnp-hotplug and that did it before. i'll try to activate that alias again and see what happens |
| 10:25.05 | liable | tuv: is discover not relevent now? |
| 10:25.48 | tuv | liable, i really don't know. it's still installed! |
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| 10:26.54 | liable | tuv: i do remember not being able to blacklist a module in the past (i forget what it was now) and i was fucked if i could find out what was loading it.. |
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| 10:28.07 | tuv | liable, yeah.. it sucks |
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| 10:31.27 | mots | hi, just installed cups on etch |
| 10:31.44 | mots | guess i should be able to see a webinterface using http://10.0.0.2:631/ |
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| 10:31.58 | mots | but theres nothing like a webinterface... |
| 10:32.02 | mots | help?! |
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| 10:32.25 | liable | 127.0.0.1:631 |
| 10:32.31 | mots | well |
| 10:32.43 | mots | can't i access it from lan? |
| 10:32.49 | mastroquet | <mots>http://localhost:631 has always worked for me... |
| 10:33.03 | liable | you can, but you have to allow it in the servers cupsd.conf |
| 10:33.15 | mots | could you give me an example? |
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| 10:33.44 | liable | mots: no, my server that has it is packed up in a box atm. google it |
| 10:33.45 | mots | my lan ip's 10.0.0.1 |
| 10:33.51 | mots | k |
| 10:34.13 | marcels | mots, just read the manpage or the docs on the cups page |
| 10:34.56 | mots | is /etc/cupd/cupsd.conf always empty by default? |
| 10:35.03 | liable | http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=cupsd.conf+allow+from+lan&btnG=Google+Search&meta= |
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| 10:43.16 | noodl | hey kids. there's a question asked about twice a day on #apache about firefox offering for download php files served by apache. it appears that there's some preloaded mime type for it that must be cleared by killing ff's cache |
| 10:43.56 | noodl | does anyone know where firefox may be getting this from (for example, from debian's broken mime.types. does it read that?) |
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| 10:47.32 | mots | wonderbox:/etc# /etc/init.d/cupsys restart |
| 10:47.32 | mots | Restarting Common Unix Printing System: cupsdcupsd: Child exited on signal 15! |
| 10:47.39 | mots | doesn't sound good... |
| 10:48.14 | mots | http://pastebin.ca/296594 |
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| 10:50.39 | dondelelcaro | noodl: it has nothing to do with that; it's just firefox not actually regetting the webpage. |
| 10:50.51 | dondelelcaro | noodl: you can easily force it to by using shift-reload or control-reload. |
| 10:51.32 | ofer0 | mots, check the logs |
| 10:51.52 | dondelelcaro | (indeed, the web browser has nothing to do with whether the http server actually executes the php script or just sends it) |
| 10:52.02 | noodl | dondelelcaro: ok, thanks. apparently the same issue happens on opensuse too so it's not debian specific. |
| 10:52.29 | dondelelcaro | noodl: it's just people not reloading. They should use GET or lynx or similar to debug. |
| 10:52.47 | noodl | but that's just it, even with the correct mimetype sent by apache it still offers the download. i'll look in to this further from ff's pov. thanks again |
| 10:53.13 | dondelelcaro | noodl: if apache is offering the source code for download, the php module isn't configured properly. |
| 10:53.17 | mots | ofer0: X [30/Dec/2006:12:47:09 +0100] No valid Listen or Port lines were found in the configuration file! |
| 10:53.40 | ofer0 | mots, well mots, can you fix it by yourself ? |
| 10:53.49 | mots | guess so |
| 10:54.02 | ofer0 | goody... that's the spirit :) |
| 10:54.03 | noodl | dondelelcaro: no, it's not that. even when correctly configured it seems that firefox consistently offers to download the processes html. no idea why, but it's a very common question on #apache |
| 10:54.28 | dondelelcaro | noodl: It is that. The browser has *NOTHING* to do with whether the source code is sent or executed. |
| 10:54.36 | noodl | of course |
| 10:54.53 | dondelelcaro | noodl: the reason why it's a common problem is because people have a hard time configuring the php module. |
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| 10:55.18 | Dewi | if I am copying a partition with 'dd', what will happen if a sector on my disk is unreadable? |
| 10:55.19 | ofer0 | noodl, maybe apache sends the wrong headers |
| 10:55.34 | ofer0 | noodl, I mean, not text/html but application/cgi or something |
| 10:55.37 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: it will fail. |
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| 10:55.56 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: that's got nothing to do with it either. |
| 10:56.10 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, what makes you think so? |
| 10:56.13 | noodl | yes, that's possible. because many distros errantly put application/x-httpd-php in mime.types, it's possible that people are seeing this because they've tried requesting a php file before php is configured, causing ff to cache the incorrect mimetype |
| 10:56.23 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: because the Content-Type for it is application/x-httpd-php |
| 10:56.40 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, so, apache attemps to download it. |
| 10:56.43 | dondelelcaro | noodl: that is the proper mime type for a PHP file. |
| 10:56.49 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: apache doesn't download or do anything. |
| 10:56.55 | ofer0 | sorru |
| 10:56.56 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: assuming particular sector(s) of this disk have failed, how do I extract every other sector? |
| 10:56.56 | ofer0 | sorry |
| 10:57.06 | ofer0 | Firefox attemps to download it. |
| 10:57.07 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: you can skip using seek and skip |
| 10:57.14 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, if PHP was running, the content type would be "text/html". |
| 10:57.27 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: hmm... that sounds like a long process for a 300GB disk |
| 10:57.29 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: if PHP was running the content type would be whatever the PHP script specified. |
| 10:57.36 | dondelelcaro | Dewi: yes, it's rather suboptimal. |
| 10:57.43 | noodl | dondelelcaro: it's the correct string, but in any case it shouldn't be specified as a mimetype. that's a ten year old mistake that's very hard to shift. |
| 10:57.43 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, WHICH IS text/html BY DEFAULT |
| 10:57.47 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, don't be hard. |
| 10:57.57 | noodl | but anyway, that's perhaps not the issue here. |
| 10:58.08 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, if you tell the PHP script to send "application/.." firefox would download it. |
| 10:58.21 | dondelelcaro | noodl: no, it's the right thing to be specified in mime types; it allows you to have a local php4 executable execute it if you want. |
| 10:58.44 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: it would offer to save or open whatever the php script sent. |
| 10:58.57 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, oh my god. okay... whatever you say. |
| 10:59.09 | noodl | dondelelcaro: could you explain please? how does having appl/.. in mime.types help the cli version of php/ |
| 10:59.41 | dondelelcaro | noodl: because you can associate that mime type with a php executable, for example in a mail message or similar. |
| 11:00.27 | ofer0 | noodl, it doesn't I don't know if you're talking about mod_php or the apache configuration, but when running CLI PHP won't contact those 2 configs. |
| 11:00.56 | noodl | but application/x-httpd-php is apache specific, and an old and grotty hack. the correct way to configure php (and cgi etc.) for the last ten years has been as a handler, not a mimetype |
| 11:01.10 | dondelelcaro | noodl: that's actually how it's configured in Debian. |
| 11:01.13 | noodl | ofer0: yep, hence the question |
| 11:01.31 | dondelelcaro | noodl: what you're seeing is just the mimetype that it gets if you don't have a handler configured. |
| 11:02.05 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, OR... if PHP crashes during the interpretation of the script |
| 11:02.32 | noodl | ok, thanks for your time. i'll try and figure out in future if the people seeing this issue have attempted to request php files before configuring php. |
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| 11:02.52 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: if it does that you should get a 500 ISE. |
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| 11:02.56 | dondelelcaro | !apache+php |
| 11:02.57 | dpkg | apache+php is, like, have a look at http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/391 |
| 11:03.16 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, nope. if PHP crashes you will be able to download the page |
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| 11:03.24 | ofer0 | dondelelcaro, of course, it will be empty. |
| 11:03.35 | dondelelcaro | noodl: yeah; the easiest way is to have them stop firefox and restart it after getting them to configure it properly, and/or use GET or lynx instead. |
| 11:03.52 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: uh, no. |
| 11:03.54 | ofer0 | because if PHP crashes, it is again doesn't sent the correct header. apache doesn't know what to do with the file |
| 11:04.12 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: are we talking about a handler? or what? |
| 11:04.23 | ofer0 | yeah, a handler |
| 11:04.43 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: if php crashes, the child dies, and you can't return anyway, and the request fails either by dropping the connection or (ideally) returning a 500 |
| 11:05.21 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: either nothing at all gets sent, or you return 500. |
| 11:05.43 | ofer0 | nothing gets sent, and then firefox attempts to download a blank page |
| 11:05.43 | dondelelcaro | (or you return whatever had been sent so far, which means that the headers had already gone, and you drop the connection at the point that it dies) |
| 11:06.09 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: if nothing gets sent, firefox doesn't do anything but note that the connection failed. |
| 11:06.16 | dondelelcaro | (or display a blank page, depending on the browser) |
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| 11:06.33 | ofer0 | connection failed? |
| 11:06.39 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: yes. |
| 11:07.01 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: if php crashes as a module, it takes out the child too, which closes the connection. |
| 11:07.02 | ofer0 | if you asked for the page from the server, it means the connection succeeded |
| 11:07.18 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: I mean that the connection was closed prematurely, not that it didn't succeed. |
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| 11:08.14 | ofer0 | why would the connection close? apache forks your connection, this fork doesn't die. his child dies |
| 11:08.32 | noodl | perhaps i'm missing something, but where did this php crashing thing come from? if (when) php crashes, it'll likely take out a worker in apache and any number of things could happen. |
| 11:08.43 | dondelelcaro | noodl: I don't know; ofer0 brought it up. |
| 11:08.54 | dondelelcaro | ofer0: because php crashing takes out the child which has the connection. |
| 11:09.03 | dondelelcaro | (the child being the apache worker) |
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| 11:10.44 | xingu | noodl: you've misattributed the bug; the real question is - why does firefox prefer the cached version of a page, when the offered version has a different mime-type |
| 11:11.02 | xingu | noodl: now *that* is an interesting question and worth filing a bug to resolve. |
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| 11:11.13 | dondelelcaro | xingu: yeah; and moreover, why does reloading not actually reload the page. |
| 11:11.24 | dondelelcaro | (iirc, shift reload or ctrl-reload forces it to actually reload it) |
| 11:11.39 | xingu | dondelelcaro: hey, it's a browser, of course it's going to violate cacheability metrics, whaddaya expect? |
| 11:11.53 | Taa5i | Hello. When using the BIOS hibernate/resume on my laptop on Debian Stable 2.6.8-3, on resume the screen remains blank and the keyboard is nonresponsive. Outside of Linux, Suspend/Resume work perfectly. How might I fix this please, I've been googling for days. |
| 11:12.08 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: which laptop? |
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| 11:12.39 | Taa5i | dondelelcaro: Panasonic Toughbook cf-27 operating in purely console mode, no X or anything. |
| 11:13.07 | noodl | xingu: indeed, ff does have odd caching behaviour. there's also the issue of debian putting "application/x-httpd-php php" in mime.types which is wrong, but like you say, that's not the real issue here. |
| 11:13.29 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: hrm. Does it work in any other linux distributions? |
| 11:13.34 | dondelelcaro | (or only in windows?) |
| 11:13.38 | xingu | noodl: that mimetype is perfectly valid; consider the case of a *browser* with an embedded php script engine. |
| 11:14.21 | Taa5i | dondelelcaro: This is the only distribution I have been able to install [USB isn't bootable and there is no CD drive]. However it only seems to not function once Linux itself boots. During the BIOS post Suspend/Resume work. |
| 11:14.44 | noodl | xingu: omg, what a thought! |
| 11:15.19 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: yeah; that's generally because you actually have to have support for it in the OS. Unfortunatly, I'm not familiar with that hardware... you might try suspend2 as a stopgap measure until you can get it working. [That at least will enable you to turn off your machine.] |
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| 11:15.27 | rusher | hello |
| 11:15.56 | xingu | noodl: the whole point of mime is that you describe the content type; and where you're serving a php script unmolested, the mime type is as per. |
| 11:16.08 | Taa5i | dondelelcaro, I spent almost a week trying to force suspend2 to work, invariably it crashed and froze. This is just using the BIOS suspend/hibernate feature. |
| 11:16.19 | rusher | I just installed 3.1, what is the best way to install the unstable packages, last time I did it, It removed eeverything and had a problem |
| 11:16.29 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: really? I haven't had any problems with suspend2. What kernel are you using? |
| 11:16.45 | dondelelcaro | rusher: the best method is to not install packages from unstable. |
| 11:16.50 | xingu | noodl: here's another case; consider someone using http as a transport and dispatching php scripts across it as an RPC method. |
| 11:16.58 | noodl | xingu: yes, ok. though i'd suggest that text/php would be more suitable in that case. the application/x-httpd part is specific to the ancient way of enabling handlers as types from the apache 1.2 days |
| 11:17.01 | dondelelcaro | rusher: if you want, you can upgrade to etch, though. |
| 11:17.01 | Taa5i | dondelelcaro: 2.6.8-3, default from Stable. I tried Etch and the kernel would keep crashing, so I'm stuck with Sarge. |
| 11:17.02 | rusher | 3.1 does not support my wireless card and does not have a lot of apps |
| 11:17.10 | rusher | how do you upgrade to etch |
| 11:17.20 | dondelelcaro | noodl: text/php isn't a appropriate either, because it's not text. |
| 11:17.50 | xingu | noodl: first you'll have to convince the upstream of that too... |
| 11:18.00 | dondelelcaro | !sarge->etch |
| 11:18.00 | dpkg | Edit your sources.list ('editor /etc/apt/sources.list'), change all non-local mentions of 'sarge' or 'stable' to 'etch'. Save the file, then 'apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade'. Then consider subscribing do debian-devel-announce (ask me about <d-d-a>) to be aware of what developments are happening. ask me about <testing security> |
| 11:18.03 | dondelelcaro | rusher: see above. |
| 11:18.12 | xingu | noodl: I'd wager that debian will offer whatever mimetype php wants to call their vomit. |
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| 11:18.21 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: hrm. Have you tried with noacpi? |
| 11:18.29 | noodl | xingu, dondelelcaro, see http://www.regdeveloper.co.uk/2006/08/01/apache_undead/ for one of the apache core developers take on the mime issue. |
| 11:18.38 | xingu | noodl: "back in the day" when I cared about such things, right there in the install-for-dummies, was application/x-httpd php |
| 11:18.54 | rusher | thank you, is it safe way to upgrade? |
| 11:19.07 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: that's my only other suggestion; consider asking debian-laptop@lists.debian.org or debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 11:19.10 | Taa5i | dondelelcaro, ACPI isn't loaded. Dmesg states that the BIOS is too old (before 1999) for it to load. I have the APM module loaded, however. |
| 11:19.11 | xingu | noodl: if that's changed, you've got a case; but the real usability problem you have hear/now is that firefox should invalidate its cache when content mimetype changes. |
| 11:19.27 | dondelelcaro | Taa5i: ah... ok. |
| 11:19.28 | xingu | noodl: and that is definitely worth progressing as a bug, because its clearly busted behaviour |
| 11:19.36 | noodl | xingu: sure, the php docs also still suggest using AddType sadly. |
| 11:19.39 | noodl | yep |
| 11:19.55 | xingu | s/hear/here/ |
| 11:20.16 | dondelelcaro | noodl: that's just saying to use AddHandler; that's actually how Debian's configuration works, iirc. |
| 11:20.32 | dondelelcaro | granted, it's been a long time since I've willingly configured a box to use PHP |
| 11:20.43 | noodl | dondelelcaro: it would be good if you could confirm that for me. |
| 11:20.49 | xingu | noodl: btw, when I describe sending-scripts-over-http as a poor man's RPC... I've seen people code exactly that up |
| 11:20.49 | noodl | touche :) |
| 11:21.23 | noodl | xingu: i'm glad you manged to escape alive ;) |
| 11:21.49 | rusher | is there a release date on etch ? |
| 11:21.53 | dondelelcaro | ah, it's still using AddType instead of AddHandler. |
| 11:21.55 | dondelelcaro | !wir |
| 11:21.55 | dpkg | well, wir is When It's Ready. See also RSN and SIYH |
| 11:22.00 | dondelelcaro | rusher: see above. |
| 11:22.12 | liable | noodl: i have actually had the problem you were originally talking about. i was stuffed if i could get FF to read it, then tried the site from a windows box and it worked. it then started working in FF without any further apache configs, i had forgotten about it till you mentioned it. |
| 11:22.38 | dondelelcaro | liable: yeah; that's FF's stupid caching again. shift-reload or control-reload or restarting FF fixes it. |
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| 11:22.53 | xingu | I saw someone get bitten by it on channel yesterday |
| 11:22.54 | dondelelcaro | if I could remember the php factoid, it has instructions on doing that specifically |
| 11:23.13 | noodl | liable: cool, like i said it's a very common issue on #apache. trouble is it's somewhat tricky to google the issue when "firefox php download" is so ambiguous :() |
| 11:23.55 | xingu | noodl: I shudder to think about the implications for a loadbalanced content farm where one server drops its mime types. |
| 11:24.12 | dondelelcaro | !php wants me to download still |
| 11:24.13 | dpkg | if you've read all of /usr/share/doc/php4/README.Debian.gz and followed its instructions *and* have reloaded apache, restart your browser. |
| 11:24.17 | dondelelcaro | heh. |
| 11:24.18 | xingu | noodl: great idea, lets throw up this 500M AVI as ... text/plain! |
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| 11:25.00 | noodl | xingu: hehe, matrix style. "i don't even see the code anymore.." |
| 11:25.03 | Coke | How do I make firefox display files? It keeps telling me I have to open them with another application or save them to disk. Really anoying. |
| 11:25.09 | noodl | hehehe |
| 11:25.21 | noodl | Coke: kill your browser's cache via it's menu and restart it |
| 11:25.25 | liable | dondelelcaro: funny thing is, i dont think i restarted FF when it had started working (though i may be wrong there, it was quite a while ago) |
| 11:25.46 | dondelelcaro | liable: yeah, it'll spontaneously decide that the cache is old after a while. |
| 11:26.04 | noodl | Coke: out of interest, did you attempt to request php file prior to configuring mod_php in apache? |
| 11:26.31 | Coke | noodl: this has nothing to do with apache |
| 11:26.43 | Coke | noodl: and clearing the cache did, as I suspected, not help |
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| 11:26.52 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: install php is <reply> To install php4 on apache2, aptitude install libapache2-mod-php4; a2endmod php4; /etc/init.d/apache2 restart; On apache, aptitude install libapache-mod-php4, apache-modconf apache enable php4; /etc/init.d/apache restart; Then restart your browser and try to access a php page. |
| 11:26.52 | dpkg | okay, dondelelcaro |
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| 11:26.56 | noodl | oh ok, sorry |
| 11:26.57 | Danamania | haha - curiously, I just came across this *exact* problem with opera while I'm setting up php on a fresh sarge install |
| 11:27.14 | Coke | The browser has nothing to do with PHP |
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| 11:27.45 | Danamania | had to quit opera then restart it before it'd stop thinking the php file needed to be downloaded, cos I'd browsed to it before setting up php properly on the debian box that was serving it |
| 11:27.47 | dondelelcaro | Coke: you have to specify tha the browser should handle a specific content type. Unfortunatly, I forget how to do it, but there should be a web page on it somewhere. |
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| 11:27.54 | liable | wow, thats actually really freaky that Coke asked that question... |
| 11:28.09 | Coke | dondelelcaro: I know. I'm just so anoyed that firefox just suddenly don't think text-files are viewable. |
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| 11:28.20 | dondelelcaro | Coke: what's the content type of the text file? |
| 11:28.24 | xingu | Coke: edit->preferences->content->manage |
| 11:28.31 | Trentster | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.36 | Coke | Firefox is the worst piece of shite for any type of user who has the slightest idea of how they want their browser to behave. |
| 11:28.40 | Coke | dondelelcaro: it's regular text |
| 11:28.40 | Coke | ascii |
| 11:28.45 | dondelelcaro | Coke: that's not the question |
| 11:28.52 | liable | Trentster: yep, the people in #ubuntu |
| 11:28.59 | dondelelcaro | Coke: do HEAD http://foobar/baz; and look at the Content-Type: header. |
| 11:29.10 | Trentster | liable, thanks I guess. |
| 11:29.14 | Coke | dondelelcaro: it's a local file |
| 11:30.16 | dondelelcaro | Coke: what's the file extention? |
| 11:30.31 | Coke | xingu: there's no such option or menu |
| 11:30.32 | xingu | Coke: "it works for me"; what version of firefox/ iceweasel, and can you paste (ask dpkg) a test case |
| 11:30.32 | Coke | .txt |
| 11:30.38 | Coke | dondelelcaro: look, my file is TOTALLY fine. |
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| 11:31.00 | Coke | xingu: 1.5 |
| 11:31.10 | Coke | however, this has been a problem with all mozillas and firefoxes I've ever used. |
| 11:31.28 | Coke | I have never been able to tell firefox "this file is to be viewed with (Tada!) firefox" |
| 11:31.30 | xingu | so can you put together a test case which will provoke it? because it's never been one for me |
| 11:31.38 | xingu | and I've been running browsers since mosaic. :) |
| 11:31.41 | Coke | xingu: no. I could open it yesterday. |
| 11:31.47 | Coke | no new plugins, nothing. |
| 11:32.02 | Coke | My sole use of Firefox is to browse documentation in html and txt. |
| 11:32.37 | Coke | The only option I have is "prefs -> download -> edit download actions" |
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| 11:32.47 | Coke | but it only allows me to edit actions that already exist, no way of adding new actions. |
| 11:32.55 | Coke | and there's no particular action for text-files. |
| 11:33.14 | xingu | right; they should be assumed to be text/plain |
| 11:33.20 | xingu | which renders just peachy here |
| 11:33.29 | xingu | so, back to the requirement for a test case |
| 11:33.47 | xingu | that menu is a 2.0 thang btw. |
| 11:33.50 | Coke | firefox 1.5.0.4, open any local textfile |
| 11:33.57 | Coke | screw it, I'm upgrading. |
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| 11:34.33 | Coke | upgrading to 1.5.0.9 |
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| 11:35.21 | NoGoo | When installing I get the error "Failed to determine the codename for the release", how do I get around this? |
| 11:35.23 | xingu | I never hit that problem with any ff-1.5; I don't still have it around to test with though |
| 11:35.51 | Coke | xingu: I have ALWAYS had problems with firefox. |
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| 11:36.08 | liable | Coke: why do you keep using it then? |
| 11:36.09 | Coke | For instance, if you know that you can read Python files and you enter an URL with a .py file, why must I save it? |
| 11:36.19 | Coke | liable: what are the alternatives? |
| 11:36.30 | Coke | liable: I had the same problems with all mozilla-based browsers. |
| 11:37.01 | Trentster | whats the command using apt-get install to force the installation of a previous package ie: an older version of php? |
| 11:37.22 | Coke | xingu: whut? |
| 11:37.31 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: there's no force necessary. Just specify the version. |
| 11:37.34 | Coke | Does firefox use mailcap? Does it even care? |
| 11:37.37 | xingu | it's come in as a monospaced text file |
| 11:37.44 | Coke | As it should. |
| 11:37.50 | xingu | as it always has |
| 11:37.55 | xingu | since 1.1N |
| 11:37.58 | xingu | :) |
| 11:38.30 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, please could you tell how - ie what to type ie " apt-get install package=version? |
| 11:38.34 | dondelelcaro | Coke: just try moving away .mozilla and see what happens. |
| 11:38.35 | Coke | xingu: how about a local file? |
| 11:38.42 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: that's exactly what you type. |
| 11:38.48 | xingu | local files are file: uri's, yes? |
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| 11:39.40 | Coke | dondelelcaro: something in .mozilla |
| 11:39.49 | Coke | I've had that directory since I used mozilla. |
| 11:39.58 | dondelelcaro | Coke: you could also just delete .mozilla/firefox/(yourprofilename)/mimeTypes.rdf |
| 11:40.56 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, thanks... weird I cant find anything about it in the man page.. |
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| 11:41.46 | Coke | dondelelcaro: do you know if there's a python syntax coloring thingie for firefox? |
| 11:41.49 | xingu | Coke: it uses mime types; you'll get a reasonable correlation between what it tries to do, and the output of "file"; if it has a #! interpreter, there's a pretty good chance the content type will be set as something that ought to be run, not viewed. |
| 11:41.53 | mc__ | guys sorry for offtopic,but i googled already and i coulndt find out how to remove a file ending in bash |
| 11:42.44 | liable | mc__: like foo.bash? |
| 11:42.53 | Coke | xingu: now Python files don't work instead. |
| 11:42.53 | mc__ | liable: exactly |
| 11:43.00 | xingu | Coke: if I create a twoline foo.py as #!/usr/bin/python \n frob frob \n, and load it - it brings up the dialogue to handle it |
| 11:43.26 | Coke | xorllu: yeah, how do I make it display anything that ends with .py? |
| 11:43.28 | liable | mc__: rm -- foo.bash ? |
| 11:43.33 | Coke | xingu: yeah, how do I make it display anything that ends with .py? |
| 11:44.04 | liable | mc__: nm, that the wrong syntax |
| 11:44.36 | mc__ | liable: sorry, I didnt say what i really want. I want to remove the ending,the .bash |
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| 11:44.56 | mc__ | but nevermind,i found it |
| 11:45.05 | liable | mc__: oh, just rename it |
| 11:45.32 | mc__ | liable: this was what i meant:${file%.bash} |
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| 11:48.33 | Coke | xingu: I can't change these Python files. |
| 11:48.44 | Coke | xingu: how do I make firefox just display stuff in it's window? |
| 11:49.00 | Coke | It anoyingly displays binary zipped .run files, but not .py files. |
| 11:49.07 | Coke | It does everything wrong by default. |
| 11:49.11 | mots | where's the fscking smb.conf? |
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| 11:49.31 | liable | CharminTheMoose: you lose |
| 11:49.40 | liable | it already is |
| 11:49.56 | CharminTheMoose | liable,as part of one of the install disks |
| 11:50.22 | liable | CharminTheMoose: you mean, compiz in the installer? |
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| 11:51.03 | dondelelcaro | CharminTheMoose: considering the fact that it's in etch, it'll be available on one of the installation disks. |
| 11:51.33 | xingu | Coke: it has an internal list of mime types it can render; this includes unknown; where it can identify a mime type similar to how file works - it will either render it or not, depending on whether it thinks it can handle that. |
| 11:51.50 | chimera__ | Hi, how many cds are needed for debian 3.1 r4 with GNOME? :) (bad english) |
| 11:51.50 | Coke | xingu: where is that list? how do I modify it? |
| 11:52.04 | xingu | Coke: I'm just nosing about to see if the internal list can be tweaked; I can see how to tweak the mimetype-to-helper list, but that's a different problem. |
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| 11:52.25 | CharminTheMoose | liable:yeah,compiz in the installer |
| 11:52.32 | Arriba | hi |
| 11:52.49 | chimera__ | hi |
| 11:52.53 | dondelelcaro | xingu: yeah; unfortunatly there's no "display this mimetype as if it were that mimetype" mode |
| 11:52.59 | xingu | Coke: what we want is the mimetypes that are renderable list; not sure how burnt in that is at present; a poor-man's way of doing it is futzing with the systemwide /etc/mime.types, but that will have side effects |
| 11:53.09 | Arriba | i am haveing a problem with xsane |
| 11:53.22 | Arriba | it doesn't recognize my installed printer |
| 11:53.34 | Arriba | i am running etch |
| 11:53.40 | xingu | dondelelcaro: yep, but I bet the logic is simpler than that, it'll be "is it on the list? if so - hello gecko - if not - lets look for helpers" |
| 11:54.07 | Arriba | any idea? |
| 11:54.25 | liable | Arriba: have you visited the sane web site to see if its supported? |
| 11:54.38 | Coke | xingu: do you know of any nifty plugins that will display python? |
| 11:54.46 | dondelelcaro | xingu: could be; I've studiously avoided learning much about the firefox internals |
| 11:54.51 | Arriba | on a different installation the printer works |
| 11:54.55 | maxy | [AD] XChat BigRoom plugin for noisy support channels like #debian - screenshot / download: http://old.homeip.net/martin/smallprojects/bigroom.html |
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| 11:55.09 | mo1991 | can someone point me in the right direction to setup cron-apt |
| 11:55.21 | xingu | Coke: gecko is capable of rendering a flat text file; if you want something fancier... |
| 11:55.25 | deadcat_ | can i specify static ip according to MAC using udhcpd? |
| 11:55.31 | liable | Arriba: so have you bothered to see what driver it might need? |
| 11:55.49 | Arriba | liable: what do you mean? |
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| 11:56.00 | Arriba | the printer is working, but not with xsane |
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| 11:56.33 | Arriba | liable: in xsane it is completely invisible |
| 11:56.38 | liable | Arriba: the printer and scanning drivers are independant |
| 11:57.19 | Arriba | liable: so, the printer needs driver A for normal printing and a different driver for xsane? |
| 11:57.27 | liable | Arriba: yup |
| 11:57.38 | xingu | Coke: here's a crazy idea |
| 11:57.47 | liable | Arriba: the scanner driver is just for scanning, and likewise the printer |
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| 11:57.51 | Arriba | liable: that's completely new to me |
| 11:57.56 | Arriba | liable: interesting |
| 11:58.05 | xingu | Coke: about:config, set the global mime types file to something that doesn't exist |
| 11:58.06 | chimera__ | Hi, how many cds are needed to install debian 3.1r4 with GNOME? |
| 11:58.17 | xingu | Coke: et viola, everything will be an unknown content type |
| 11:58.21 | streuner_ | !d-i chimera__ |
| 11:58.22 | dpkg | chimera__, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 11:58.23 | Arriba | liable: wait - the scanner works |
| 11:58.32 | Coke | xingu: i don't want to destroy it completely. |
| 11:58.40 | Coke | xingu: I still like to open wav's in xmms |
| 11:58.45 | xingu | Coke: for a more sophisticated approach - cp /etc/mime.types ~/.mime-types; and hack out the ones that annoy you |
| 11:58.46 | liable | chimera__: the first iso, or the netinst if you have good net |
| 11:58.48 | Arriba | liable: the printer works - but the printer doesn't work in xsane |
| 11:59.04 | streuner_ | liable: are you an echo? |
| 11:59.05 | chimera__ | thanks a lot :):):) |
| 11:59.15 | xingu | Coke: ... and set the global mime types to /dev/null or whatever. |
| 11:59.16 | Arriba | liable: it's not a printer/scanner combo |
| 11:59.20 | liable | Arriba: go to the sane web site, and search for your printer |
| 11:59.29 | Coke | xingu: wow. what workarounds for such a simple thing. |
| 11:59.33 | Arriba | liable: i will have a look |
| 11:59.33 | liable | Arriba: oh, its a seperate scanner? |
| 11:59.38 | xingu | Coke: I've not tested this methodology; but it should work I think |
| 11:59.39 | Coke | xingu: it would be better if firefox had it's own mime type list |
| 11:59.40 | Arriba | liable: yes |
| 11:59.45 | mo1991 | I am looking to make cron-apt update my packages automatically - by default it just downloads the packages - what do I need to change in the config to make it upgrade the packages rather than just download |
| 12:00.00 | Arriba | liable: both work indepently and functioning |
| 12:00.04 | liable | Arriba: ok, you still need the driver for it, go to the sane site and look up the model |
| 12:00.16 | Arriba | liable: will do so |
| 12:00.22 | CharminTheMoose | mo1991:apt-get upgrade? |
| 12:00.28 | liable | streuner_: what .. what . at . t |
| 12:00.57 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: you really don't want it to do that. |
| 12:01.07 | CharminTheMoose | what's so good about cacheing ram?doesn't that promote swapping? |
| 12:01.10 | liable | streuner_: actually, my answer had a little bit of info the factoid didnt |
| 12:01.26 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro - why? |
| 12:01.28 | streuner_ | liable: yeah :-) |
| 12:01.37 | mo1991 | I thought that's what apt-cron is for |
| 12:01.40 | Suprano | and application i want to use needs the lib libcodeblocks.so.0 which does exist in /usr/local/lib/libcodeblocks.so . But on start it says /usr/local/bin/codeblocks: error while loading shared libraries: libcodeblocks.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory how to tell the app where the lib is, or where does the app search the lib ? |
| 12:01.43 | Suprano | *an |
| 12:02.02 | liable | CharminTheMoose: didnt we sort this out yesterday? |
| 12:02.09 | streuner_ | liable: but..but, he surely wasted another 650 MB of bandwidth... |
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| 12:02.50 | streuner_ | if he download the first iso (sarge) |
| 12:02.55 | xingu | Coke: the wishlist you should file against firefox is - in the mime type handling, "render in browser" should be a permissable action |
| 12:02.56 | liable | streuner_: nah, i mentioned netinst if he had good net :P |
| 12:03.01 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: because it could easily fail on upgrade or have an upgrade which requires administrator intervention. |
| 12:03.11 | xingu | Coke: the rest of the infrastructure (for editing/ grooming the list of associations) is already present |
| 12:03.16 | CharminTheMoose | liable,i think so.. :p |
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| 12:03.37 | dondelelcaro | mo1991: if that were to happen, you could end up with a machine which has apache down (or ssh, or similar) waiting for the admin to say "Yes, I want to overwrite my config" or "No, I don't want to overwrite my config" |
| 12:03.43 | Arriba | liable: but the sane website lists only scanners - which makes sense |
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| 12:04.01 | Arriba | liable: the scanner works great - the printer works great |
| 12:04.23 | Arriba | liable: but the printer isn't being recognized by xsane |
| 12:04.27 | xingu | Coke: in the short term - the least-worst/smallest change is to remove the global mime types assocation and create a pruned one for your user; I would *not* suggest pruning the global mimetypes list as there will be unintended side-effects (other things besides ff use that) |
| 12:04.30 | liable | Suprano: LD_PRELOAD /path/to/lib fooapp |
| 12:04.46 | senia | | /etc/init.d/apache - gone ? dpkg-reconfigure apache, won't help |
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| 12:05.02 | Suprano | liable well ok that would be a way to get it working, but can't i just move the lib to the correct path ? |
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| 12:05.50 | aronofsky | hi, I just install beryl on debian testing with a Radeon 9200 Pro ( 128 MB) , it works ok but im unable to read any video, with vlc or mplayer video are really really slow and Xorg takes all the CPU, i try to change the Vo , even to put mplayer in direct rendering but there is nothing to do , does anyone have an idea of what i can try to do ? |
| 12:05.50 | liable | Suprano: add to /etc/ld.so.conf and then run ldconfig? |
| 12:05.57 | liable | Suprano: the path |
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| 12:06.11 | Suprano | k |
| 12:06.17 | Suprano | ty |
| 12:06.21 | mo1991 | dondelelcaro why would it ask you to overwrite a config during a security update? |
| 12:06.31 | lopa | what is a utv drive, is that the same as a laptop drive? |
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| 12:07.05 | liable | aronofsky: try #beryl |
| 12:07.06 | yungknight | is there some alternative way to get php5 working with apache2? most help docs just say do the apt-get install but for some reason I don't think that the module is loading in apache. |
| 12:07.07 | xingu | Coke: here's the horse's mouth btw: http://developer.mozilla.org/en/docs/How_Mozilla_determines_MIME_Types |
| 12:07.12 | lopa | anyone? |
| 12:07.15 | liable | aronofsky: you compile it? |
| 12:07.20 | aronofsky | liable, yes |
| 12:07.37 | senia | how to get back /etc/init.d/apache script? |
| 12:07.58 | liable | aronofsky: where you get libmetacity-dev thats high enough version? |
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| 12:08.41 | liable | senia: you deleted it? |
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| 12:10.36 | liable | thats a funky quit msg |
| 12:10.54 | CharminTheMoose | eww |
| 12:10.54 | aronofsky | liable, didn't have libmetacity at all |
| 12:11.46 | liable | aronofsky: you got the svn code? did you compile heliodor? |
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| 12:12.31 | mo1991 | what are some good firewalls for debian etch? Any that will show what file is being transferred, etc. and on what port? |
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| 12:12.57 | aronofsky | liable, yes svn code, didn's compile heliodor |
| 12:13.51 | norc | mo1991: iptables |
| 12:14.50 | norc | im pretty sure it will do the job |
| 12:15.00 | robin_sz | it will ... |
| 12:15.10 | robin_sz | but not how he wants i suspect |
| 12:15.15 | norc | hehe |
| 12:15.23 | norc | guess he wants some shiny clicky gui |
| 12:15.28 | robin_sz | he seems to want something grpahical |
| 12:15.29 | robin_sz | yeah |
| 12:15.37 | Coke | xingu: I tried editing mimeTypes.rdf to include python files, but no such luck |
| 12:15.44 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 12:15.44 | dpkg | [qotd155] <_mark> abrotman, that doesn't make sense. Why should I not be able to install a program. I didn't even have permission to install to /usr/local because I didn't have permission toinstal to /usr! That is nuts! |
| 12:15.47 | Coke | xingu: the file is some overly complex xml crap |
| 12:15.49 | norc | not my problem, robin_sz, then he will learn about iptables |
| 12:16.07 | xingu | Coke: no, that won't work; the missing link, as I said, is that there's no "render in browser" action; you need to wishlist that |
| 12:16.07 | tarzeau | mo1991: shorewall is a neat iptables "frontend" |
| 12:16.11 | robin_sz | norc, quite. iptables is the tool. |
| 12:16.33 | xingu | Coke: the least-worst compromise is disabling the global mime-types list, copying it to your user mime types list, and then pruning it. |
| 12:16.47 | robin_sz | tarzeau, but only for setup, not realtime "showing whne a file is being transferred , what file and on what port" |
| 12:17.06 | xingu | Coke: if there were a render-in-browser mime action, the rest would flow through fairly naturally; there isn't, there should be, you get to wishlist it. |
| 12:17.22 | tarzeau | robin_sz: that's not a firewalls job |
| 12:17.28 | robin_sz | tarzeau, exactly |
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| 12:17.40 | xingu | Coke: if you read the link I gave you you'll see how the codepath actually arrives at the outcomes it does |
| 12:17.43 | Coke | xingu: there's a useInternal flag |
| 12:17.50 | Coke | xingu: NC:handleInternal="true" |
| 12:18.10 | liable | aronofsky: nice, i thought i had to have heliodoor, beryl works without it :) |
| 12:18.26 | xingu | Coke: well, try your luck with that; just be aware, as we were discussing earlier, that ff *also* has fruity caching problems with mime types. |
| 12:18.37 | liable | yikes, it works a bit different to compizzle though |
| 12:18.46 | Coke | xingu: how do I find out what type firefox thinks .py files are? |
| 12:18.58 | xingu | Coke: ie, the cache may well defeat your test case; I would suggest one test per file name until you've run your series |
| 12:19.20 | robin_sz | anyway ... firefox2 in etch .. |
| 12:19.25 | robin_sz | whats the plan? |
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| 12:19.35 | xingu | Coke: test.py, test1.py - as you change each variable, rename the file; if you're futzing with mimeTypes.rdf - you probably need to restart the browser too |
| 12:19.54 | mo1991 | is there a mozilla-mplayer plugin for etch? I can't seem to find one for amd64 |
| 12:20.28 | Coke | how do I find out what type firefox thinks .py files are? can't edit mime types manually without knowing. |
| 12:20.52 | CcSsNET | python source maybe? |
| 12:20.54 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 12:20.58 | xingu | Coke: grep -E 'py$' /etc/mime.types |
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| 12:21.32 | aronofsky | liable, yes of course, heliodor is optional |
| 12:22.02 | Coke | xingu: no luck. still wants to save it. |
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| 12:22.43 | xingu | Coke: I'm not sure that handleInternal does what you think it does; perhaps the testing is telling you this |
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| 12:23.08 | Coke | xingu: it's telling me that firefox is not a very good piece of software. |
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| 12:23.18 | Coke | compared to links2, anyway. :) |
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| 12:23.24 | CharminTheMoose | someone remind me,which is the politically correct usage of the term 'hacker'? |
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| 12:23.56 | Tchaka | hello :) |
| 12:24.01 | Coke | CharminTheMoose: programmer. |
| 12:24.11 | Fir3Ligth | hello Tchaka |
| 12:25.17 | linux_user400354 | how can i trick grip to think that my mp3s are in linux as a cd? |
| 12:26.30 | ofer0 | linux_user400354, why would you want to do that ? |
| 12:26.37 | norc | linux_user400354: set CD_ROOT to the directory maybe? check the sources how it determines if its a real cdrom |
| 12:26.42 | robin_sz | ium having a "bit of bother" with firefox in etch, it seems very slow to resolv names. a lookup that takes 20ms in dig, takes 8 seconds in firefox |
| 12:26.56 | robin_sz | yes, I have restarted it |
| 12:27.19 | linux_user400354 | ofer0: nevermind, that wouldnt work. |
| 12:27.41 | norc | robin_sz: are you using a proxy? |
| 12:27.45 | robin_sz | no |
| 12:27.56 | liable | aronofsky: what was the compiz ctrl+alt+up/down things called? |
| 12:28.09 | liable | aronofsky: different action in beryl |
| 12:28.12 | Aim_Here | linux_user400354, why would you want to do such a thing anyway? It seems bizarre |
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| 12:28.51 | linux_user400354 | Aim_Here: trying to re encode some music but i forgot that cds are not in mp3 format |
| 12:28.53 | robin_sz | also, if I visit a site, then visit another, then return to the first site, it does the sloooow name lookup thing again |
| 12:29.08 | robin_sz | dig is of course close to instant |
| 12:29.13 | ofer0 | linux_user400354, use mplayer |
| 12:29.25 | Aim_Here | Wouldn't there be utilities for turning mp3s into, say, wavs and then you can reencode them that way |
| 12:29.26 | ofer0 | linux_user400354, mpg123, lame. TIMTOWTDI |
| 12:29.30 | Aim_Here | mplayer would do it |
| 12:29.39 | DimmuR | Hello I'm searching for software that can help set and tune my dvb-s card |
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| 12:30.23 | linux_user400354 | i have cd into the directory of my mp3s. now i want to use this command to convert all mp3s to ogg, but there is something wrong with it. how can i fix it? |
| 12:30.24 | linux_user400354 | cd ~/Desktop/mp3-ogg/;for x in `sed -e 's/ /_/g' ~/Desktop/playlist.txt`;do mplayer $x -ao pcm:file=$x.wav ; oggenc -b 192 $x.wav -o $x.ogg;done |
| 12:30.43 | Aim_Here | What errors are you getting? |
| 12:30.46 | liable | aronofsky: btw, vlc plays a video directory fine here |
| 12:30.54 | linux_user400354 | playlist.txt is a list of all my mp3s |
| 12:31.03 | liri | is it possible to monitor a processes' disk i/o somehow? |
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| 12:32.34 | robin_sz | oh, ignore that dns caching thing, it is just the BBC setting an absurdly low TTL .. 90 seconds |
| 12:32.46 | robin_sz | but lookups are still slow ... 8 seconds |
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| 12:33.48 | maxy | liri: strace |
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| 12:34.29 | aronofsky | liable, what do you mean ? |
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| 12:35.21 | liable | aronofsky: in regard to which comment? |
| 12:36.48 | aronofsky | liable, "vlc plays a video directory fine here" |
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| 12:37.20 | capiira | hi |
| 12:37.32 | liable | aronofsky: it plays a dvd dir (a backed up dvd) fine without excessive cpu or choppyness |
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| 12:38.33 | aronofsky | liable, yeah it did for me too when I had an nvidia but T install A radeon 9200 yesterday and the porblem occurs |
| 12:38.41 | aronofsky | liable, what card have you , |
| 12:38.49 | liable | aronofsky: i have a x1600 |
| 12:38.57 | liable | or 1400 maybe, dunno |
| 12:39.24 | liable | aronofsky: whats the compiz version of ctrl+alt+aroow up/down? |
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| 12:39.53 | christopher_l | how do I search for packages using apt-get? |
| 12:40.20 | aronofsky | what ? im not using compiz |
| 12:40.36 | liable | aronofsky: have you ever used compiz? |
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| 12:41.04 | aronofsky | liable, yes , in the apst |
| 12:41.08 | aronofsky | past |
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| 12:41.56 | outlaw84 | I think I am having some problems with utf-8/iso-8859-1 that come from how my computer is setup... several independent applications are complaining about utf-8 to ios-8859-1 conversion and for some apps the other direction... any ideas about what I should do? |
| 12:42.05 | capiira | hehe compiz does not work well anyway |
| 12:42.26 | liable | aronofsky: forget it, i'll work it out |
| 12:42.38 | liable | capiira: compiz worked fine for many months for me |
| 12:42.53 | capiira | opengl apps not supported |
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| 12:43.03 | capiira | then errors on dual display |
| 12:43.27 | capiira | disappearing maximize minimize close buttons |
| 12:43.33 | capiira | then artifacts |
| 12:43.34 | capiira | etc. |
| 12:43.37 | capiira | few more |
| 12:43.47 | capiira | its cool to test and play around |
| 12:44.11 | chimera__ | Hi, is it possible to print screen every 0.01 seconds on linux, i would like use this to rip sprites from various games. (bad english) |
| 12:44.32 | capiira | but its far from a real alternative |
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| 12:47.32 | maxy | chimera__: for 0.01 seconds you'd have to have a pretty fast PC. Search packages for "screen record". |
| 12:47.46 | HardDisk_WP | how do I increase process priority for mencoder higher? |
| 12:47.57 | Aim_Here | use the 'nice' command |
| 12:48.03 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: why would you do that? to lock up your system? |
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| 12:48.12 | maxy | or 'renice' |
| 12:48.16 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, i have 80% idle :p |
| 12:48.20 | maxy | as root, though |
| 12:48.24 | chimera__ | rethanks maxy :). |
| 12:48.33 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: now why the hell would you think that changing priority would fix that? |
| 12:48.50 | HardDisk_WP | on windows it worked same way |
| 12:48.58 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: even a nice process will use that idle time if it can, this is not an issue of priority |
| 12:49.31 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: looks more like you don't even know how to inspect the resource usage, no matter windows or linux |
| 12:49.38 | slept | rafkill gives me the following errors: *FATAL* Setting null bitmap ;.......... ; ** Running game ;Shutting down Allegro due to signal #11 ;Segmentation fault |
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| 12:49.58 | HardDisk_WP | valdyn, thx...on windows normally all went faster when i increased priority |
| 12:50.59 | yassine | hi everyone any idea why my mic is not working i have everything else (sound) working but my mic is not working at all |
| 12:51.04 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: upgrading priority of noninteractive tasks is rarely a good idea, maybe you want to paste the output of 'top' on a pastesite so someone can see what's going on really |
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| 12:51.47 | outlaw84 | if I reconfigure locale with dpkg do I need to relog a user for it to take place? |
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| 12:51.54 | valdyn | outlaw84: yes |
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| 12:52.40 | outlaw84 | valdyn: but I dont need to reboot the system, do I? |
| 12:52.47 | valdyn | outlaw84: you don't |
| 12:52.52 | outlaw84 | okej thanks |
| 12:52.56 | HardDisk_WP | strange, i did nothing, but at once processor usage was 80% |
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| 12:53.27 | valdyn | outlaw84: locales are determined by environment variables, you can manually set those, or let the login set those, your choice |
| 12:54.42 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: 2.4.x or 2.6.x kernel? |
| 12:54.50 | HardDisk_WP | 2.6.18 |
| 12:54.56 | HardDisk_WP | debian etch# |
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| 12:55.25 | mikeX | hello, any way to run X clients from a chroot on the original (non-chroot) X server? |
| 12:55.33 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: you need to learn how to read process usage i suspect, read 'top' and or let someone explain the values to you |
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| 12:55.48 | valdyn | HardDisk_WP: most likely running mencoder doesn't leave idle time |
| 12:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
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| 12:56.22 | valdyn | mikeX: sure |
| 12:56.22 | liable | try htop too |
| 12:58.01 | valdyn | htop |
| 12:58.08 | valdyn | ops |
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| 13:01.23 | mikeX | valdyn: how : ), I can't seem to do it |
| 13:01.39 | valdyn | mikeX: why cant you? |
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| 13:02.05 | mikeX | Cannot connect to display :0 |
| 13:02.21 | mikeX | xterm Xt error: Can't open display: :0.0 |
| 13:02.24 | mikeX | to be exact |
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| 13:03.04 | valdyn | mikeX: X needs authentication, convenient way for some is binding the non-chroot home into the chroot /home, 'mount -o bind /home /path/to/chroot/home' for instance |
| 13:03.23 | mikeX | well I coppied my .Xauthority file, isn't that enough? |
| 13:03.23 | valdyn | !xauthority |
| 13:03.24 | dpkg | somebody said xauthority was use: xauth merge /home/user/.Xauthority |
| 13:03.40 | slept | mikeX, xhost + will fix that , but as far as i know it shouldn't be used... |
| 13:03.44 | valdyn | mikeX: no idea, i dont know details |
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| 13:03.49 | valdyn | mikeX: xhost is evil |
| 13:03.51 | atilaX | es |
| 13:04.01 | liable | !es |
| 13:04.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 13:04.04 | mikeX | ok, thanks valdyn slept |
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| 13:05.24 | valdyn | mikeX: you may want to do the same for /dev /proc /sys and depending on your setup ( but that probably has nothing to do with your X issue ) |
| 13:05.53 | mikeX | well I have /dev, /dev/pts and /proc, I'm reluctant to bind mount ~ though |
| 13:06.00 | valdyn | mikeX: ok |
| 13:06.19 | valdyn | mikeX: and user id numerical values need to be in sync |
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| 13:07.10 | vlt | Hello. Is there a `echo 1 > /proc/ide/...` thing to enable dma when hdparm is not available? |
| 13:08.36 | mikeX | I can't get it to work with xhost + either |
| 13:09.00 | CharminTheMoose | is etch stable? |
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| 13:09.51 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: no, sarge is stable. etch is testing. |
| 13:10.18 | mikeX | X runs with -nolisten tcp, could that be a problem? |
| 13:10.19 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0:I mean as in is it not going to break much if i use it at this point in time? |
| 13:10.35 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: etch is safe to use. |
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| 13:11.47 | capiira | hmmm hi i was customizing my panels in gnome and accidentally removed that network-manager icon from the top panel |
| 13:11.59 | capiira | how can i restore this? |
| 13:12.24 | liable | capiira: right click add foo? |
| 13:12.50 | capiira | not there |
| 13:13.10 | capiira | i think its automaticaly started |
| 13:14.57 | capiira | just the one with 2 monitor lights is there |
| 13:15.07 | capiira | but the one with a wired cacle is not |
| 13:15.13 | capiira | cable |
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| 13:15.34 | HardDisk_WP | How do I use teletext / videotext with tvtime or other software?? |
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| 13:19.48 | benkong2 | good day all |
| 13:20.19 | benkong2 | Can I specify xfce4 using tasks="xfce4, standard" on the command line of a new install? |
| 13:22.04 | maxy | pumpkin0: here is the XChat plugin I wrote yesterday, seems to work fine now: http://old.homeip.net/martin/smallprojects/bigroom.html |
| 13:22.23 | pumpkin0 | maxy: niiicce. |
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| 13:23.12 | Trentster | I am in a bit of a bind I need to downgrade the PHP version on our lamp server, I have been trying for hours to figure out how its done, could someone please help me, would be greatly appreciated! |
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| 13:24.35 | blondie | Trentster: from what version to what version, on what version of debian? |
| 13:24.52 | abrotman | Trentster: you can force it |
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| 13:26.09 | CharminTheMoose | ;) |
| 13:26.13 | CharminTheMoose | god i'm crazy |
| 13:26.13 | dondelelcaro | CharminTheMoose: no |
| 13:26.31 | dondelelcaro | CharminTheMoose: sometimes it's possible to skip a release, but in general it's not supported. |
| 13:26.38 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: you can try it, but it will not work ... |
| 13:27.10 | CharminTheMoose | i can't find a place to even download buzz |
| 13:27.14 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
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| 13:27.24 | Trentster | blondie, I must be honest its an ubuntu dapper box....but no one in ubuntu seems able to help me...its currently on version 5.1.2 and i need version 5.04 |
| 13:27.30 | capiira | so no one know how to restore that wired network applet icon on the top gnome panel? |
| 13:27.38 | blondie | Trentster: sorry we can't help you here |
| 13:27.48 | Trentster | abrotman, how do I force it.....dont i need to find a package repo that has that version in it? |
| 13:27.49 | blondie | !ubuntu |
| 13:27.49 | dpkg | yes, ubuntu is based on debian. Still, it has its own packages which are different and they have their own bugs and different ways of working that are unique to ubuntu. If we give you advice here, we could break your system more than it already is. So please, ask #ubuntu . Thanks :) |
| 13:30.17 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: you need to 1) find an apt source that has the right version 2) specify the exact version that you want to install using apt-get or use the curses aptitude interface to do so. |
| 13:30.26 | abrotman | Trentster: i don't know anything abut ubuntu's sources or their php problems |
| 13:30.47 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: and really, you need to ask #ubuntu or use their forums, since we don't know anything about their packages. |
| 13:31.30 | Trentster | dondelelcaro, thanks....and i have been asking for hours there..no-one responds... |
| 13:31.39 | Trentster | sorry for the intrusion! |
| 13:31.43 | dondelelcaro | Trentster: well... YA reason not to use ubuntu... |
| 13:31.49 | blondie | Trentster: switch to debian. |
| 13:31.50 | blondie | :D |
| 13:32.33 | Trentster | blondie, yeah I use debian a lot as well..... just went with ubuntu this time as they have a preset lamp install selction when u boot the iso...big mistake i guess. |
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| 13:34.46 | pumpkin0 | maxy: your thing works very fine, you should make a deb-package out of it. |
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| 13:37.06 | maxy | nah, it's way too fresh now. Also I had 1day of coding, and that's enough effort I put into it right now ;) |
| 13:37.51 | Krush | anyone ever worked with sabayon? my newly created user profile does not seem to be applied |
| 13:37.51 | maxy | plus, I never made a debian package ;) |
| 13:37.51 | liable | doesnt xchat have ignore joins and parts? |
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| 13:38.06 | pumpkin0 | liable: not in that way. |
| 13:38.17 | maxy | pumpkin0: I wonder if you like/dislike the highlighting... I'd like to hear some feedback after a few hours. |
| 13:38.34 | maxy | or did you disable it from the beginning ;) |
| 13:39.31 | HardDisk_WP | hiho |
| 13:39.32 | capiira | hmm looks like i really need to reinstall whole debian just becuase of that network manager icon :) |
| 13:39.41 | pumpkin0 | maxy: i just switched on debugging, nothing else so far. I wanted to test the thing first. So far 2 big, noisy rooms and no false hits. |
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| 13:39.45 | HardDisk_WP | how do I use vieotext? |
| 13:39.58 | blondie | videowhat? |
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| 13:41.03 | HardDisk_WP | blondie, or teletext |
| 13:41.20 | HardDisk_WP | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teletext |
| 13:41.22 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: install a videotext viewer ... |
| 13:41.22 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: i think he doesn't understand what it is :) |
| 13:41.44 | HardDisk_WP | which one? alevt doesnt work |
| 13:42.07 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: why did it not work ? |
| 13:42.26 | HardDisk_WP | it refuses to laod pages |
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| 13:43.13 | kaouete | hi |
| 13:43.15 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: you installed and started the deamon ? |
| 13:43.23 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, what daemon? |
| 13:43.33 | maxy | pumpkin0: note that enabling debugging makes every room a big room |
| 13:43.36 | kaouete | i was wondering how i can reinstall a package and that it reinstalls all its configuration files |
| 13:44.00 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: you need both: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=alevt&searchon=names&subword=1&version=stable&release=all |
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| 13:44.12 | kaouete | because i removed some configuration files from udev package and if i just use apt-get --reinstall install udev it doesnt reinstall them :/ |
| 13:44.32 | pumpkin0 | !tell kaouete about confmiss |
| 13:45.01 | kaouete | thanks |
| 13:45.06 | HardDisk_WP | alevt: /dev/vbi: No such file or directory |
| 13:45.06 | HardDisk_WP | alevt: cannot open /dev/vbi |
| 13:45.10 | pumpkin0 | maxy: yes, i know. But i have 2 really big noisy rooms open and the mesages make sense. |
| 13:45.21 | HardDisk_WP | should I symlink dev/vbi to dev/vbi0? |
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| 13:45.37 | liable | kaouete: you are a brave man fucking around with udev |
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| 13:45.50 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: yes, try it. (you sure your TV-card has vt-support under linux) ? |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | liable: or stupid :) |
| 13:45.58 | kaouete | hehe :) i want to get my i2c dev back :] |
| 13:46.13 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, its a saa7134 card, under windows it spports teletext |
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| 13:46.27 | liable | abrotman: i was trying to be diplomatic :) |
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| 13:46.31 | regis | to upgrade from stable debian to testing, do I just need to change each "stable" word in /etc/apt/sources.list to "testing"? |
| 13:46.44 | abrotman | liable: i'm from the US .. we don't ever try that first |
| 13:46.47 | solars | hey, does anyone here maybe know if it is possible to send a WoL packet through a DLink Router (NAT) somehow? |
| 13:46.55 | abrotman | !tell regis about sarge->etch |
| 13:46.55 | liable | heh |
| 13:47.09 | regis | thanks abrotman |
| 13:47.15 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, still doesnt work. if i click on page 100, it shows "No page." in status bar :-( |
| 13:47.30 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: wait for 30 secs. still nothing ? |
| 13:47.36 | liable | HardDisk_WP: http://www.linuxtv.org/v4lwiki/index.php/Saa7134-alsa |
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| 13:47.57 | liable | HardDisk_WP: that doesnt explain teletext, but should link to a bitof info on the card |
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| 13:48.43 | HardDisk_WP | liable, I can watch tv, the card is working |
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| 13:49.05 | vanksi | darn, how can i increase the number of loop devices? i tried adding options loop max_loop=16 to /etc/modutils/loop but it did not work |
| 13:49.08 | liable | HardDisk_WP: ok, ignore what i said then |
| 13:49.26 | HardDisk_WP | brb, dinner |
| 13:49.34 | abrotman | parm: max_loop:Maximum number of loop devices (1-256) (int) |
| 13:49.51 | vanksi | abrotman, meaning? |
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| 13:50.02 | abrotman | seems correct to me :) |
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| 13:50.46 | liable | vanksi: its the module parameter, 'modinfo loop' |
| 13:50.46 | x_link | I have a question. |
| 13:50.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: happy new year should i not see you anymore |
| 13:50.57 | x_link | Is there any command in Debian that shows the rpm of your hard drive? |
| 13:51.06 | tarzeau | err to everyone in here happy new year |
| 13:51.12 | abrotman | tarzeau: going to have a date with akja? |
| 13:51.16 | liable | tarzeau: you are going to kill yourself? |
| 13:51.16 | abrotman | bah .. stupid keyboard :) |
| 13:51.17 | tarzeau | x_link: rpm -iv? |
| 13:51.18 | vanksi | liable, yeah i know but that doesn't actually help me that much |
| 13:51.21 | x_link | tarzeau: Thanks ! |
| 13:51.23 | tarzeau | liable: huh? |
| 13:51.25 | pumpkin0 | x_link: try smartctl -a and hope for the best. |
| 13:51.30 | tarzeau | abrotman: been with her yesterday already |
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| 13:51.40 | liable | tarzeau: should i not see you anymore |
| 13:51.40 | abrotman | tarzeau: i meant a date for new years :) |
| 13:51.43 | tarzeau | abrotman: going to build some electric devices for stock vga monitors |
| 13:51.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: with some friend |
| 13:51.54 | abrotman | ah ok .. have fun! |
| 13:52.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm sure i'll see katja again, yeh, man her name is katja. not akja |
| 13:52.16 | tarzeau | aortnam |
| 13:52.26 | abrotman | tarzeau: i know! .. i blame my keyboard! |
| 13:52.38 | x_link | tarzeau: sedde@xlink:~$ rpm -iv |
| 13:52.39 | x_link | rpm: no packages given for install |
| 13:52.45 | blondie | HardDisk_WP: oh that... |
| 13:52.53 | liable | haha |
| 13:52.59 | liable | thats hilarious |
| 13:53.01 | tarzeau | x_link: then it's some other command, i think i've got an example in the package ibackup, sys* |
| 13:53.04 | pumpkin0 | x_link: it was a joke. rpm is the redHatPackage ... |
| 13:53.06 | abrotman | x_link: show an installed one? or show what's in an RPM ? |
| 13:53.13 | tarzeau | x_link: why the fuck would you want rpm on a debian system? |
| 13:53.14 | x_link | pumpkin0: hehe ok |
| 13:53.27 | liable | x_link: hdparm is the closest thing to what you want |
| 13:53.44 | tarzeau | damn i gonna catch the train |
| 13:53.44 | liable | x_link: i dont think it shows rpm though |
| 13:53.48 | x_link | tarzeau: I just asked if there is any command that shows the rpm of your hard drive. That's all. |
| 13:53.49 | abrotman | nevermind ... |
| 13:53.50 | tarzeau | miss |
| 13:53.57 | abrotman | !whats my hardware |
| 13:53.58 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, lshal, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have, or or you could crack the lid and look inside ... oooh, chips! |
| 13:53.59 | tarzeau | x_link: yes there is one |
| 13:54.05 | tarzeau | x_link: i don't remember it though :) |
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| 13:54.10 | abrotman | hdparm would probably do it too |
| 13:54.18 | abrotman | but hwinfo probably is a good place to start |
| 13:54.21 | x_link | tarzeau: hehe ok |
| 13:54.25 | x_link | abrotman: I just installed it. |
| 13:55.30 | abrotman | hwinfo on my drive doesn't show it |
| 13:56.13 | liable | !find bin/lshw |
| 13:56.54 | x_link | I don't know how to see the rpm in hdparm |
| 13:57.00 | abrotman | read the man page |
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| 13:57.12 | abrotman | liable: oddly enough .. lshw :) |
| 13:57.14 | liable | i dont ever recall it saying it could |
| 13:57.21 | liable | abrotman: oh, heh |
| 13:57.27 | abrotman | i'm pretty sure hdparm can show it |
| 13:57.27 | vanksi | is there any way to check if i actually have support for 16 loop devices but the devices aren't automatically created, so that i would only be missing /dev/loop8 - /dev/loop15? |
| 13:57.51 | dondelelcaro | vanksi: if you haven't specified the module option, you only have 8. |
| 13:57.56 | abrotman | maybe something in dmesg ? |
| 13:57.57 | liable | shit, 1.2M for lshw.. |
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| 13:58.12 | dondelelcaro | vanksi: if you want more than 8, you need to specify it either when you boot or when you load the module. |
| 13:58.14 | liable | well, plus the depends |
| 13:58.41 | vanksi | dondelelcaro, well i tried adding options loop max_loop=16 to /etc/modutils/loop but it did not work, atleast i only have up to loop7 |
| 13:58.43 | liable | s/plus/including/ |
| 13:58.53 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'bin/lshw' (2): (/usr/bin/lshw) in utils/lshw ;; (/usr/bin/lshw-gtk) in utils/lshw-gtk. |
| 13:59.07 | abrotman | i'm faster! ... |
| 13:59.17 | liable | indeed |
| 13:59.29 | x_link | hwinfo was better.- |
| 13:59.50 | liable | abrotman: prolly fatter too! |
| 13:59.56 | abrotman | i am not! |
| 14:00.03 | beardy | abrotman: what for? |
| 14:00.14 | dondelelcaro | vanksi: grep loop /var/log/dmesg; and see what it says. |
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| 14:00.28 | abrotman | beardy: hot swedish babes? was it last night ? |
| 14:01.20 | beardy | < abrotman> beardy: we need your help on this one |
| 14:01.29 | liable | i wish i could write in my psuedo swedish accent.. |
| 14:01.38 | abrotman | beardy: swedish guy with less than stellar english skills ;) |
| 14:01.42 | CharminTheMoose | send in the Gnomes! |
| 14:01.42 | dondelelcaro | too bad the encheferizer isn't working. |
| 14:01.45 | beardy | !se |
| 14:01.45 | dpkg | from memory, se is Svensktalande debian-användare hittar du i #debian.se på FreeNode (irc.freenode.net). |
| 14:01.53 | vanksi | dondelelcaro, yup, max devices 8 |
| 14:01.54 | vanksi | darn |
| 14:02.06 | beardy | abrotman: Ah, I see.. |
| 14:02.13 | beardy | abrotman: Remember his name? |
| 14:02.23 | abrotman | zoddon or something |
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| 14:03.55 | saintiss | hi all |
| 14:04.13 | saintiss | if an usb device is recognized by udev, does it still get a "file" in /dev assigned? |
| 14:04.18 | saintiss | if so, how can I find out which? |
| 14:04.28 | dondelelcaro | vanksi: you need to modprobe -r loop; modprobe loop max_loop=16; or similar, and try again. |
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| 14:05.01 | snappy | saintiss: dmesg |
| 14:05.03 | liable | vuoold yuoo leeke-a e messege-a een zee hut toob? |
| 14:05.04 | liable | Bork, bork, bork! |
| 14:05.12 | liable | sorry |
| 14:06.06 | saintiss | snappy: this is all I see there: |
| 14:06.07 | saintiss | usb 2-3: new full speed USB device using ohci_hcd and address 13 |
| 14:06.07 | saintiss | usb 2-3: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 14:06.42 | liable | saintiss: what kind of thing is it? |
| 14:07.23 | abrotman | are the usb storage modules loaded ? |
| 14:07.36 | vanksi | dondelelcaro, i added max_loop=16 after loop in /etc/modules |
| 14:07.40 | vanksi | that worked aswell |
| 14:07.41 | vanksi | but thanks |
| 14:08.09 | saintiss | liable: camera |
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| 14:08.36 | saintiss | abrotman: it's not really supposed to become a storage device, as it uses the PTP protocol |
| 14:08.41 | liable | saintiss: you might need gphoto2 if its not seen as a storage device |
| 14:08.56 | saintiss | liable: I know... I was just wondering if it would still be visible as a /dev file |
| 14:09.08 | saintiss | to be able to set permissions that way, as an alternative to udev rules |
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| 14:10.04 | liable | saintiss: why do you need to set perms on it? |
| 14:10.48 | saintiss | liable: well, otherwise only root is able to extract pictures |
| 14:11.03 | liable | saintiss: iirc, it should be accesable to camera group |
| 14:11.08 | liable | or video |
| 14:11.22 | liable | accessible.. |
| 14:11.27 | liable | or whatever |
| 14:11.49 | liable | i think i need to go back to school and redo engrish |
| 14:11.50 | saintiss | but it isn't... the only way to do it is by using a udev rule to set permissions and group... but without such rule, no way to set permissions afaics |
| 14:12.45 | liable | saintiss: hrm, the only camera i have had that used gphoto2 was in camera group. shrug |
| 14:13.37 | liable | there was a recent changelog that had something about camera group things in it too, but i cant remember what it was. |
| 14:14.06 | saintiss | it's not a problem, as I can arrange things through udev, so I can access the camera as user already |
| 14:14.18 | saintiss | I was just curious if it is also visible as a file in /dev |
| 14:14.27 | saintiss | but I guess not |
| 14:14.46 | liable | it should be though really. |
| 14:15.16 | liable | afaik, net ifaces are about the only things that arent, and i dont quite understand why that is |
| 14:15.48 | saintiss | hmm, indeed, good point |
| 14:16.27 | possie | how far is etch from being released? |
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| 14:16.39 | liable | <-------> that far |
| 14:16.49 | possie | liable, ow that's not far :-) |
| 14:17.10 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 14:17.10 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:18.17 | HardDisk_WP | re |
| 14:18.20 | HardDisk_WP | !test |
| 14:18.21 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 14:18.24 | HardDisk_WP | !ping |
| 14:18.24 | dpkg | pong |
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| 14:18.32 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, around? |
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| 14:22.23 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: not really ? |
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| 14:22.51 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, even after a hour alevt didnt load a page :-( |
| 14:23.29 | liable | shit, your'e patient if you waited an hour |
| 14:23.41 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: and the alevtd is running ? And you have a TV-prog running ? |
| 14:23.43 | HardDisk_WP | well, i eated in meantime |
| 14:24.08 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, i dunno if it runs...and yea, I ran all time through tvtime |
| 14:24.11 | liable | ate :) |
| 14:24.25 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: "ps aux" as root. |
| 14:24.54 | HardDisk_WP | marco 5146 6.2 0.2 2908 1844 ? Ss 15:24 0:01 alevtd |
| 14:25.10 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: and that station has a videotext ? |
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| 14:25.38 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, yes |
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| 14:26.28 | FuriousRage | my debian sarge cd doesnt seam to be able to identify my nic (RTL8139) i got a diskette with a linux driver that came with the nic (\linux\rtl8139.c) but the install cd doesnt seam to be able to 'find it' when i choose to use a floppy to load the driver.. |
| 14:26.31 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: did you have to create any other symlinks in /dev. |
| 14:26.55 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, no, no othert than vbi=>vbi0 |
| 14:27.01 | liable | FuriousRage: the sarge install cd has that option? |
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| 14:27.21 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: i guess the driver does not support vbi. bad luck. |
| 14:27.35 | FuriousRage | liable: first it looks for the nic's then it reports it doesnt find any and lets me choose one in a list, and if i choose "none of the above" option, it let me use a floppy |
| 14:27.49 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: did you try both kernels ? (2.4 and 2.6 ?) |
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| 14:28.25 | FuriousRage | pumpkin0: well, i got 2 nic's one nForce4 and this new one, on the nfore i tried both, but on the new one u used "linux26" in the boot menu before installer loaded |
| 14:28.34 | liable | FuriousRage: wow, i have never noticed that option, but at any rate, a .c file is usually source code |
| 14:28.48 | blondie | huh, doesn't The gimp have a print option |
| 14:29.04 | capiira | ok who here is the debian master and how why the network manager applet keeps showing me that i have "no network connection" and as you can see im online :) |
| 14:29.05 | pumpkin0 | blondie: there is a separte package... |
| 14:29.13 | blondie | pumpkin0: that's crazy |
| 14:29.38 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: do you know for sure which module is needed ? |
| 14:29.58 | liable | capiira: because net applets are stupid :) (are you sure it showing the right iface?) |
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| 14:30.16 | capiira | yeah |
| 14:30.17 | FuriousRage | pumpkin0: the file in \linux\ is named RTL8139.c, so i assumed its RTL8139, i tried modprobe and stuff, nothing worked |
| 14:30.18 | capiira | look like |
| 14:30.23 | capiira | +s |
| 14:30.37 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, strange...because whats the /dev/vbi0 then? |
| 14:30.39 | FuriousRage | the nic is supposed to be realtek compatible |
| 14:30.42 | capiira | yesterday it was showing it right |
| 14:30.43 | blondie | pumpkin0: and it doesn't find my cups printers? :S |
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| 14:30.53 | capiira | maybe it works tomorrow again |
| 14:31.07 | capiira | the applet is on holiday |
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| 14:31.21 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: the name of the .c-file has nothing to do with the name of the module. can you get a lspci -n -line for that nic ? |
| 14:31.35 | FuriousRage | pumpkin0: cant, in windows atm ;> |
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| 14:31.53 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: i have vbi0 - 5 and i do not even have a TV-card atm. |
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| 14:32.08 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: well note the URL: |
| 14:32.11 | yassine | is there any quanta like editor for gnome on debian ? |
| 14:32.13 | pumpkin0 | !which module |
| 14:32.18 | liable | FuriousRage: can you cat that .c file (i seriously dont think its a real module, but code for one) |
| 14:32.19 | pumpkin0 | !which driver |
| 14:32.20 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 14:32.26 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: ^^^^ |
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| 14:32.37 | threw | hi all ! |
| 14:33.00 | HardDisk_WP | pumpkin0, o_O |
| 14:33.02 | threw | does it exist any way to increase the definitions of the fonts used by X.org please ? |
| 14:33.05 | FuriousRage | pumpkin0: the box for the nix says "zonet zen3200w" |
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| 14:33.27 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: get a lspci -n, that is the sure way. |
| 14:33.37 | liable | FuriousRage: load the floppy and open the file in notepad |
| 14:33.54 | pumpkin0 | HardDisk_WP: and after connecting a TV-card i get a /dev/vbi that works ... |
| 14:33.57 | FuriousRage | the guide.txt in \linux\ on the floppy says rtl8139 too. |
| 14:34.11 | FuriousRage | /* rtl8139.c: A RealTek RTL8129/8139 Fast Ethernet driver for Linux. |
| 14:34.11 | Diilbert | I changed my hard drives around in my case a bit to accomodate another drive... but the drive with debian got changed from hdb to hdd... so I setup grub again which works and I changed the fstab to match the change, but during boot it stops at "waiting for root filesystem to mount" Is there anything else that needs to be changed so that I can boot... |
| 14:34.15 | liable | FuriousRage: is the .c file in tect? |
| 14:34.20 | liable | text |
| 14:34.33 | FuriousRage | liable: text, just pasted the first row from it. |
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| 14:34.53 | threw | any idea for me please ? |
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| 14:35.14 | liable | FuriousRage: then its source code and needs to be compiled, and thus wont help you during install :( |
| 14:35.22 | pumpkin0 | threw: definitions ? |
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| 14:36.00 | threw | heuh... maybe resolution would be better english ? |
| 14:36.10 | liable | Diilbert: can you paste your grub and fstab? |
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| 14:36.22 | Diilbert | liable: 1 min |
| 14:36.26 | pumpkin0 | threw: ah, better. Can you make a screenshot to show the problem ? |
| 14:36.39 | pumpkin0 | Diilbert: into a pastebin, not here. |
| 14:37.27 | Diilbert | pumpkin0: I got that ;) |
| 14:37.39 | tPl0ch | hi there, can I pass make-kpkg own CFLAGS? Thanks for your time. |
| 14:37.56 | valdyn | tPl0ch: MAKEFLAGS |
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| 14:38.07 | threw | pumpkin0, yes: http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d4956f614dee49ba9e099a7bf78b9c9857bca6ae8bcc0e83d6e9e/Capture.png |
| 14:38.10 | Diilbert | !dpkg pastebin |
| 14:38.16 | FuriousRage | liable: i guess i could have a friend to compile it for me, if that c-file is just enough |
| 14:38.21 | liable | cflags in kpkg can be a pain |
| 14:38.46 | liable | FuriousRage: yep, but it needs to be same kernel and gcc as the installer you have |
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| 14:38.50 | benkong2 | ! repos |
| 14:38.59 | threw | pumpkin0, its maybe not so bad-looking in the screenshot but its worth in reality |
| 14:39.08 | FuriousRage | liable: hmm, thats probably is going to be harder >.< |
| 14:39.09 | liable | benkong2: /msg dpkg repos |
| 14:39.11 | tPl0ch | valdyn: what is MAKEFLAGS? |
| 14:39.14 | CharminTheMoose | noip is a program to automatically update your ip when using the no-ip.com services.(i suck at making descriptions) I found this among the instaalled packages. |
| 14:39.19 | benkong2 | liable; thanks |
| 14:39.20 | pumpkin0 | threw: you want bigger fonts in all progs, right ? |
| 14:39.37 | CharminTheMoose | and yes, i do suck at making descriptions.... |
| 14:39.46 | liable | FuriousRage: you have no other iface on the box? |
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| 14:40.19 | FuriousRage | liable: i got 2 nics, debian sarge find none of them. |
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| 14:40.34 | benkong2 | this isn't working |
| 14:40.36 | Diilbert | threw: What about "Control Center" |
| 14:40.51 | liable | FuriousRage: use the etch installer, etch will be stable very soon |
| 14:40.59 | Diilbert | liable, pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/847837 |
| 14:41.27 | threw | pumpkin0, no, i want less blured (searching the word in dictionnary :) ) fonts |
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| 14:41.58 | pumpkin0 | threw: so you do not want anti-aliased fonts ? A sharper looking thing ? |
| 14:42.06 | liable | Diilbert: use pastebin.ca in future, or the debian pastebot, .com is way too slow |
| 14:42.31 | threw | pumpkin0, no, exactly i would have "more" anti-aliased fonts |
| 14:42.34 | FuriousRage | liable: mmkay, trying ^^ |
| 14:42.34 | Diilbert | liable: np |
| 14:42.43 | Diilbert | ANy ideas? |
| 14:42.49 | pumpkin0 | Diilbert: kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-686 root=/dev/hdb1 ro <<== why is there still a hdb in that ? |
| 14:42.52 | Diilbert | I can move it somewhere else if you want |
| 14:43.05 | liable | Diilbert: your kernel root is still hdb |
| 14:43.15 | liable | !lose me |
| 14:43.15 | dpkg | liable: You Lose. |
| 14:43.38 | Diilbert | liable: thanks I am going to try that now ;) |
| 14:43.41 | Diilbert | brb |
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| 14:44.15 | pumpkin0 | threw: goto /etc/fonts/conf.d and remove all file with "sub-pixel" in it. |
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| 14:45.08 | pumpkin0 | threw: same thing with "autohint". |
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| 14:45.52 | threw | you want that i remove all file wich title contain "sub-pixel" & autohint ? |
| 14:46.35 | pumpkin0 | threw: move them out of that dir and restart X (save/close everything and ctrl-alt-backspace) |
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| 14:49.05 | threw | pumpkin0, you mean this " cp *sub-pixel* ../; rm *sub-pixel*" ? |
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| 14:53.07 | diilbert_ | liable: Thanks that is what the problem was... all fixed now ;) |
| 14:53.48 | liable | diilbert_: sweet, dont forget to change your ##kopt line |
| 14:53.59 | liable | #kopt |
| 14:54.15 | diilbert_ | Where is that line ? |
| 14:54.29 | abrotman | in your /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 14:54.33 | liable | diilbert_: in the section that looks like its all comments |
| 14:54.37 | pumpkin0 | threw: yes. And the same thng for auto-hint |
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| 14:55.26 | elvirolo | hi all |
| 14:55.36 | diilbert_ | does that effect anyhting ? |
| 14:55.51 | diilbert_ | since it is all comments |
| 14:55.52 | liable | diilbert_: yes, when update-grub is run |
| 14:55.58 | diilbert_ | oic... |
| 14:56.06 | liable | diilbert_: read the cooments for that section |
| 14:56.08 | diilbert_ | well I made the change ... thanks for the help |
| 14:56.20 | diilbert_ | now I am safely backj in lin... and out of win ;) |
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| 14:56.27 | elvirolo | i'd like to find some documentation which tells me how to set up alsa properly on sid (in order to play sounds from different apps at the same time, get sound from flash animations, etc.) |
| 14:56.32 | zoddan | hi |
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| 14:56.46 | diilbert_ | later pplz ;) |
| 14:56.54 | zoddan | itchi |
| 14:57.28 | zoddan | all up and running with amd64 kernel ;) |
| 14:57.40 | threw | pumpkin0, ok, trying :) |
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| 15:00.03 | threw | pumpkin0, it changed anything :( |
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| 15:00.39 | pumpkin0 | threw: can you put a new screenshot online ? And xorg.conf / log into a pastebin ? |
| 15:01.31 | valdyn | !dmix |
| 15:01.31 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 15:01.53 | liable | dmix is demented |
| 15:01.54 | yassine | any idea how to get information about my mic which seem not to work guys ? |
| 15:02.26 | valdyn | liable: how so? |
| 15:02.27 | liable | valdyn: cause i never got it to work :) |
| 15:02.33 | valdyn | yassine: its probably just the volume settings |
| 15:02.38 | liable | valdyn: and i cant say i have heard of anyone else that has |
| 15:02.50 | valdyn | liable: it pretty easy, works fine for me for years |
| 15:03.00 | valdyn | liable: but the alsa documentation is crappy |
| 15:03.02 | snowbird | so liabe got my new router |
| 15:03.16 | snowbird | better nick on they way |
| 15:03.20 | liable | valdyn: crappy is a nice way of putting it |
| 15:03.30 | liable | snowbird: nice |
| 15:03.43 | yassine | valdyn, that could be the issue but i still did not finds out howto set it to work any idea how to reset them to default ?? |
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| 15:03.52 | valdyn | liable: unfortunately alsa by default will not give much feedback on errors, that's another kernel option |
| 15:04.08 | valdyn | yassine: set what exactly to default? |
| 15:04.17 | valdyn | yassine: default is that you hear nothing in alsa |
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| 15:05.10 | yassine | valdyn, i can hear everything whenplaying music but i can not record voice or use ekiga to phone since my mic is not well configured |
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| 15:05.39 | valdyn | yassine: ekiga directly supports alsa? |
| 15:05.46 | threw | pumpkin0, all is here: http://pastebin.ca/raw/296762 . anyway its weird: the problem disappeard if i look a raw file with firefox: http://dl-3.free.fr/52616e646f6d49564844d913fbb3c21b73ac9d4f98956eff09239609dae67dc6/Capture-2.png |
| 15:06.35 | yassine | valdyn, yes |
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| 15:07.07 | valdyn | yassine: ls -l /dev/dsp ( i know this isnt an alsa device, just do it ) |
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| 15:07.16 | peterS | (spambot) |
| 15:07.47 | yassine | valdyn, crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-12-30 15:01 /dev/dsp |
| 15:08.47 | valdyn | yassine: in a shell: 'cat /dev/dsp > /dev/dsp', tell if errors come, if there's no errors, talk into your mic, see if you hear anything |
| 15:09.13 | pumpkin0 | threw: that one is strange. In theorie the files you moved should have made all fonts look like the font in firefox. I guess it has something to do with the :unscaled-flag in your xorg.conf or defoma. But i'm not sure and think somebody else should take over now ... |
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| 15:10.43 | yassine | valdyn, no errors but when i talk into my mic i can hear nothing |
| 15:10.48 | zoddan | http://lurix.net/files/Linux64boot.avi |
| 15:10.49 | zoddan | :) |
| 15:10.58 | valdyn | yassine: fix your volume settings |
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| 15:12.34 | valdyn | yassine: mic needs to be on and volume tuned up and the mic needs to plugged into the right place naturally |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | beardy: that one! |
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| 15:13.02 | Azio | hello there, im writing a script for process management, its real simple while loop ( i couldnt work out how to grab the output from top (or wahtever top uses to poll cpu) , and in this circumstance i try to use /bin/ps ux , however its giving a different CPU % to my TOP :( does anybody know a way to fix this for my script? |
| 15:13.09 | Azio | (yes its debian sarge0 |
| 15:13.49 | pumpkin0 | Dembug: stay on one nick or nobody will answer you anything ... |
| 15:13.54 | Dembug | :( sorry |
| 15:13.58 | Dembug | i just switched networks |
| 15:14.02 | Dembug | im known as dembug here :) |
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| 15:14.10 | abrotman | Dembug: top has a batch mode |
| 15:14.13 | asg | Dembug: try using top -b |
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| 15:14.26 | Dembug | sweet :D thanks guys ;) , its strange how /bin/ps ux can give a totally different value |
| 15:14.36 | Dembug | i.e. top shows 0.1% CPU and bin ps ux shows 84% |
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| 15:14.38 | Dembug | crazy huh? |
| 15:15.19 | Dembug | thanks guys |
| 15:15.21 | Dembug | seems to work well |
| 15:15.31 | abrotman | man top is useful too :) |
| 15:15.58 | Dembug | already there :) |
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| 15:16.17 | Lamperi | jeejee |
| 15:16.46 | Dembug | top -b -n 1 | grep myprocess much better way to do it |
| 15:16.48 | Dembug | surprisingly ;) |
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| 15:17.23 | Dembug | out of curiosity can anyone tell me why the two poll from a different place - and/or give a totally different value ("ps/bin ux" / "top") |
| 15:18.02 | liable | Dembug: top is continuous, ps aux is at that time if you know what i mean.. (watch how top values change) |
| 15:18.07 | abrotman | they're different tools ? |
| 15:18.09 | Dembug | ahhhh |
| 15:18.23 | liable | abrotman: try it |
| 15:18.23 | Dembug | so cpu usage actually scales up and down from 80% very rapidly? |
| 15:18.31 | Dembug | its just not enough cputime to be worth mentioning |
| 15:18.40 | Dembug | thats interesting. |
| 15:19.02 | abrotman | liable: try which ? |
| 15:19.13 | liable | you might just happen to run ps when cpu is freaking |
| 15:19.21 | liable | abrotman: goats! |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | don't you start |
| 15:20.19 | Dembug | heh |
| 15:20.24 | Dembug | liable heh naww :D |
| 15:20.39 | Dembug | /bin/ps ux is giving a consistant static 84% CPU usage |
| 15:20.44 | Dembug | top shows < 0.1% all the time |
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| 15:20.54 | liable | intersting |
| 15:20.56 | abrotman | secher: where were you when i needed you! |
| 15:20.58 | Dembug | its really not a big deal, i was just interested by it |
| 15:21.01 | Dembug | its an old binary im running here. |
| 15:21.04 | secher | Dude, what's up? |
| 15:21.16 | liable | wheres my car! |
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| 15:21.33 | secher | abrotman: how for can I help you man? |
| 15:21.36 | elvirolo | hi |
| 15:21.39 | elvirolo | (again) |
| 15:21.44 | Dembug | obviously the way cpu usage is being used is open to interpretation, it's using some native cpu function that top can't detect (for one reason or another) , or its a bug of some description |
| 15:21.54 | elvirolo | can anyone tell me well the firefoxrc file is meant to be on sid ? |
| 15:22.04 | abrotman | secher: i wanted to stay at your place in philly :) |
| 15:22.18 | liable | Dembug: hrm, that deserves looking into as to how both report cpu usage |
| 15:22.29 | Dembug | yeah :D |
| 15:22.40 | Dembug | me and my colleague were just looking at eachother |
| 15:22.43 | Dembug | "weird" |
| 15:22.44 | Dembug | :D |
| 15:22.50 | secher | LOL, sorry man, you could have. Problem is, my parents got into a bad car accident the other day, so I'm at thier house watching things, fielding calls, etc. |
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| 15:23.03 | abrotman | secher: this was tuesday evening :) |
| 15:23.19 | abrotman | secher: friend came down for his bday .. we ended up just getting a hotel |
| 15:23.45 | liable | his, hotel? |
| 15:23.54 | secher | abrotman: why in hell would you wnat to stay in Philly on... Ahah, sorry bout that bro, |
| 15:24.10 | secher | !lart liable |
| 15:24.23 | abrotman | secher: it was fun! .. went to a few bars etc .. and i didn't know south street didn't open til 11am :) |
| 15:24.23 | secher | apropos somehow. <grin> |
| 15:24.35 | secher | abrotman: lol.. |
| 15:24.51 | abrotman | liable: not funny! |
| 15:24.58 | liable | was so! |
| 15:25.27 | secher | msg abrotman IRL: Vale Kenny |
| 15:25.45 | secher | whoops. <grin> |
| 15:25.48 | Dembug | heh |
| 15:25.53 | Dembug | http://www.novell.com/coolsolutions/tools/17043.html |
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| 15:25.58 | Dembug | floating point numbers at #!/bin/sh |
| 15:25.59 | Dembug | haha |
| 15:26.18 | Dembug | Impressive if it saves me firing up something painful :D |
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| 15:27.09 | earthian | hello Happy new year etc. is there a way to fix any possible problem in /usr/lib64 and /usr/lib32 ... i belive that some of my libs are f**ed :S |
| 15:27.25 | Dembug | hmm |
| 15:27.31 | Dembug | trying to use 32bit libs on a 64bit OS? |
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| 15:27.57 | saintiss | hi all |
| 15:28.04 | earthian | Dembug, 64bit libs on 64bit os for 32bit progs :S |
| 15:28.10 | earthian | i get now smth like this: |
| 15:28.11 | earthian | ldconfig: libraries libpng12.so.0.1.2.8 and libpng12.so.0.13.0 in directory /usr/lib32 have same soname but different type. |
| 15:28.12 | earthian | ldconfig: libraries libpng12.so.0.13.0 and libpng12.so.0.15.0 in directory /usr/lib32 have same soname but different type. |
| 15:28.15 | Dembug | ahhh nasty |
| 15:28.16 | saintiss | I've got one package installed from source, but that is not known to apt... is there a way to make apt believe the package is installed? |
| 15:28.21 | medc | there is any program better than amule? |
| 15:28.21 | earthian | previously it did not appeared.. |
| 15:28.21 | Dembug | have you looked on packages.debian.org |
| 15:28.49 | Dembug | saintiss can you not dpkg -i thepackage.deb ? |
| 15:28.55 | earthian | saintiss, dpkg knows.. |
| 15:29.02 | asg | earthian: might be worth asking #debian-amd64 |
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| 15:29.12 | earthian | asg, thanks |
| 15:29.17 | liable | saintiss: there is a package for that, but i am fucked if i can remeber it |
| 15:29.22 | earthian | and wow i did not know that chan ever existed!!! :o |
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| 15:29.38 | asg | saintiss: equivs |
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| 15:29.44 | liable | nah |
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| 15:30.07 | Dembug | :D |
| 15:30.15 | liable | asg: the one that does the install thing |
| 15:30.21 | peterS | saintiss: the thing liable is thinking of is the 'equivs' package |
| 15:30.28 | liable | nope |
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| 15:30.33 | asg | liable: checkinstall or chkinstall (something like that) |
| 15:30.36 | saintiss | Dembug, earthian: the problem is this: I've got X installed from source, and Y is installed through dpkg --force-all, and Y depends on X. so now every time I try to use apt, it complains that Y needs X. However, now I want to install a package Z which has got nothing to do with X or Y... Still, apt complains about X |
| 15:30.38 | liable | thats it |
| 15:30.42 | liable | !win asg |
| 15:30.43 | dpkg | Congratulations, asg! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 15:30.43 | HardDisk_WP | hiho |
| 15:30.45 | saintiss | ok, equivs |
| 15:30.50 | saintiss | let me have a look |
| 15:30.54 | asg | at least I beat abrotman |
| 15:31.02 | HardDisk_WP | how do I configure the "extra keys" of my keyboard? |
| 15:31.10 | saintiss | hmm, which of course I can't install either atm :) |
| 15:31.14 | earthian | saintiss, possible version conflict that apt sees |
| 15:31.17 | HardDisk_WP | it has some keys for controlling media player and calling applications |
| 15:31.22 | pumpkin0 | saintiss: why not install X from deb ? |
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| 15:31.33 | saintiss | pumpkin0: because I need a newer version than the one in deb |
| 15:31.39 | abrotman | !qotd161 |
| 15:31.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd161 is * asg sings the 'My Little Pony' song |
| 15:31.40 | medc | there is any program better than amule? |
| 15:31.43 | abrotman | i was close! |
| 15:31.57 | asg | hehe |
| 15:32.06 | peterS | saintiss: right, apt is annoying that way. try this: wget http://ftp.debian.org/debian/$(apt-cache show equivs | awk '/Filename:/{print $2}/') |
| 15:32.17 | peterS | saintiss: then install it with dpkg -i |
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| 15:32.25 | earthian | saintiss, something like apt knows that X is version 2.0.1, you have compiled 2.0.2 and apt knows that Y needs that X version 2.0.1, but you have X version 2.0.2 |
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| 15:32.53 | liable | !checkinstall |
| 15:32.53 | dpkg | i guess checkinstall is a program that keeps track of all files installed by a "make install" or equivalent, creates a Slackware, RPM, or Debian package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
| 15:33.00 | earthian | thats what i think...and i do not have a fix for that. |
| 15:33.10 | iturk | hi there everytime that i copy the text in this website to a openoffice word document it crashes !! does it happen the same to you ?! check it -> http://web.archive.org/web/20041103012847/http://myweb.cableone.net/christienolan/coach/evaluating.htm |
| 15:33.15 | pumpkin0 | saintiss: use the newer version in unstable (risky, but possible) |
| 15:33.49 | saintiss | peterS: hmm, the the awk line seems to be problematic |
| 15:34.05 | peterS | saintiss: oh, sorry, forget the last / |
| 15:34.16 | peterS | just ....}') |
| 15:34.30 | saintiss | thanks :) |
| 15:34.37 | saintiss | pumpkin0: there is no newer version in unstable |
| 15:35.12 | liable | i sometimes feel like i am typing into a black hole |
| 15:35.15 | pumpkin0 | saintiss: go equivs ... |
| 15:35.22 | pumpkin0 | liable: you are. |
| 15:35.56 | saintiss | liable: no you're not :) |
| 15:36.00 | saintiss | trying equivs atm |
| 15:36.11 | liable | not equivs! |
| 15:36.14 | peterS | but equivs was what I recommended, not what liable recommended |
| 15:36.17 | liable | checkinstall |
| 15:36.19 | peterS | he wants you to use checkinstall instead |
| 15:36.41 | Ben_ | how can i get proftp, to display 2 directories /home/data and users home dir, anyone know how i can do this? |
| 15:37.22 | liable | well, i dont care actually, i just want someone to say, 'oh, checkinstall.. hrm, that might be what i need'.. |
| 15:37.53 | peterS | liable: I can't help it if I have a maintainer's bias towards equivs (: |
| 15:37.56 | ben23 | anyone know? |
| 15:37.59 | liable | or 'hrm, checkinstall, thats nothing like what i want, why dont you stfu liable?' |
| 15:38.04 | saintiss | checkinstall... right, I remember that from somewhere |
| 15:38.11 | saintiss | that will make a real package |
| 15:38.18 | saintiss | while apparently equivs will create a dummy |
| 15:38.19 | asg | ben23: in the future, please don't ask a question and then change your nick |
| 15:38.29 | liable | peterS: ah, another one eh? :) |
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| 15:38.35 | ben23 | sorry i said i had to or it would disconnecct |
| 15:38.42 | peterS | !maint equivs |
| 15:38.44 | ben23 | because someone allready had that |
| 15:38.45 | dpkg | equivs: Peter Samuelson <peter@p12n.org> |
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| 15:39.39 | fa1 | find |
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| 15:39.53 | ben23 | anyone know my questions answer? |
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| 15:40.06 | ben23 | i was called ben when i asked |
| 15:40.10 | liable | well, he doesnt really, he stores it in his very unreliable memory :) |
| 15:40.47 | peterS | liable: yeah, I know what you mean, I have mostly VUM too, not much NVRAM |
| 15:40.54 | secher | How competent is cruft at cleaning up a system? |
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| 15:41.26 | abrotman_ | not my fault! |
| 15:41.39 | peterS | shove the tail up your asg |
| 15:41.50 | liable | i think he has a hotel room available! |
| 15:42.06 | abrotman_ | for my tail? |
| 15:42.16 | kadk | im on sarge, should i use Xorg instead of xf86? |
| 15:42.23 | peterS | yeah, we know all asg ever does is chase tail |
| 15:42.30 | liable | kadk: not really |
| 15:42.31 | abrotman_ | !qotd149 |
| 15:42.31 | dpkg | i guess qotd149 is <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
| 15:42.32 | kadk | why |
| 15:42.34 | abrotman_ | nope ... |
| 15:42.38 | HardDisk_WP | how do I configure the "extra keys" of my keyboard? |
| 15:42.40 | HardDisk_WP | it has some keys for controlling media player and calling applications |
| 15:42.40 | abrotman_ | kadk: which video card do you have ? |
| 15:42.41 | kadk | im not having any problems though |
| 15:42.44 | liable | kadk: do you need to? |
| 15:42.48 | kadk | just want to keep this system updated |
| 15:42.55 | abrotman_ | kadk: if it ain't broke .... |
| 15:42.55 | kadk | nvidia geforce mx 4000 |
| 15:42.56 | peterS | kadk: using xorg is a lot of trouble on sarge, you have to get unofficial packages. if you don't have a specific need for it (a graphics card unsupported by older XFree86, for example), it's not worth the trouble |
| 15:43.11 | liable | kadk: wait a week or two and you can upgrade to etch when its re;eased |
| 15:43.22 | kadk | nice |
| 15:43.32 | kadk | what the name? |
| 15:43.35 | kadk | s |
| 15:43.49 | abrotman_ | wow |
| 15:44.09 | peterS | kadk: liable is referring to Debian 4.0 which was supposed to be released already but it is somewhat delayed. you can install it now if you want, but it will be released some time in January, I think |
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| 15:44.27 | saintiss | peterS: ok, I've got a dummy package installed now, which says (with apt-cache show): |
| 15:44.31 | liable | well, i have met my quota, 12 beers for the day. only 12 to go for tommorow |
| 15:44.32 | saintiss | Provides: libgphoto2-2-2.3.1-1 |
| 15:44.36 | saintiss | yet, I still get: |
| 15:44.43 | saintiss | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:44.53 | saintiss | peterS: did I make a mistake in the syntax? |
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| 15:44.59 | kadk | oh, you talkin about r4? |
| 15:45.05 | peterS | saintiss: oh, provides doesn't work that way. the depends is for a specific version of a package name, and Provides cannot specify version numbers |
| 15:45.07 | liable | no |
| 15:45.17 | peterS | saintiss: so you have to actually name the dummy package libgphoto2-2 and give it a version of 2.2.1 or higher |
| 15:45.25 | liable | kadk: r4 is still sarge |
| 15:45.26 | kadk | im talkin about the codename like 'sarge' |
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| 15:45.59 | peterS | kadk: sarge is 3.1 whether that be 3.1r0 or 3.1r4 (the latest). debian 4.0 will be called etch. |
| 15:45.59 | Danamania | liable: I hope for a countdown through to the last one |
| 15:46.08 | saintiss | peterS: ok... but apt-cache show libc6 will show: |
| 15:46.09 | saintiss | Provides: glibc-2.3.6.ds1-1, glibc-2.3.6-2 |
| 15:46.11 | FuriousRage | how can i install "real thunderbird" in etch and not get the icedove? or can icedove use my thuderbird data files (mail and such)? |
| 15:46.14 | saintiss | that includes version numbers, no? |
| 15:46.16 | kadk | i see |
| 15:46.22 | liable | Danamania: no problem :) |
| 15:46.28 | valdyn | FuriousRage: it can, its quite 'real' |
| 15:46.31 | kadk | well, i wanna stay on stable |
| 15:46.47 | peterS | saintiss: version numbers as part of the package name, yes. not separately. if you look at the apt-get error output, it is asking for package name libgphoto2-2 version 2.2.1. |
| 15:47.07 | FuriousRage | valdyn, even the extentions and suchs? |
| 15:47.12 | kadk | i thought etch was testing |
| 15:47.14 | peterS | saintiss: why some package names have things that look like version numbers embedded in them is kind of a long story, but don't let it confuse you |
| 15:47.16 | kadk | or unstable |
| 15:47.18 | dvs | kadk: sarge won't been maintained a bit after etch is released. |
| 15:47.21 | saintiss | peterS: ok, thanks |
| 15:47.25 | peterS | kadk: it is testing right now. it will soon be stable. |
| 15:47.27 | abrotman | dvs: a year? |
| 15:47.39 | dvs | abrotman: I give it six months |
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| 15:47.55 | liable | why? |
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| 15:48.03 | abrotman | dvs: woody went a year or so |
| 15:48.05 | asg | dvs: it will only be six months if lenny is stable 6 months after etch |
| 15:48.07 | peterS | dvs: historically we've supported old stable for a year after new stable is out. I don't see why we'd change that now, but who knows, it's not my decision |
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| 15:48.33 | asg | it had better be a year or I'm going to have to give Debian the finger |
| 15:48.33 | liable | Ebb: dont irc as root |
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| 15:49.14 | abrotman | hehe |
| 15:49.22 | abrotman | asg: you already did! |
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| 15:49.37 | limpio | hi all, i've gave dist-upgrading from sarge to etch, i can't get into the X system, does anybody knows if going to sid will be better? in terms of getting thru xorg? |
| 15:49.38 | liable | its great that most sane admins *dont* want to fast release times |
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| 15:49.42 | peterS | Danamania: yeah, good call |
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| 15:49.57 | topa_ | any users using compiz on proprietary nvidia here ? |
| 15:50.16 | liable | compiz is *so* yesterday |
| 15:50.24 | peterS | yeah today it's all about beryl |
| 15:50.31 | pumpkin0 | liable: berly made it into testing ?? |
| 15:50.37 | liable | pumpkin0: no |
| 15:50.43 | pumpkin0 | liable: good. |
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| 15:51.24 | liable | pumpkin0: why? you dont have to install it if it did.. |
| 15:51.34 | topa_ | the problem is that when I use compiz all child windows of GNOME apps turn out completely black |
| 15:51.56 | topa_ | I tried beryl but too bad it aint in testing |
| 15:52.04 | liable | topa_: unfortunately, you wont get much help here, as its not supported |
| 15:52.04 | topa_ | is it included in unstable ? |
| 15:52.26 | liable | oh, compiz is in testing innit... |
| 15:52.28 | topa_ | liable: yeah I know, that's why I'm skeptical about filing it as a bug |
| 15:52.39 | topa_ | liable: yes, I'm talking about beryl |
| 15:52.49 | pumpkin0 | liable: but a lot of users will. And it breaks currently in same new interesstiong way. All these people will come here an complain. It will be like the #ubunut, all about eyecandy. |
| 15:53.35 | liable | pumpkin0: i doubt it, compizzle has been in testing for amonth or so |
| 15:54.03 | liable | pumpkin0: and i am surprised by how few questions are asked in here |
| 15:54.09 | peterS | bah, I have to walk/run 8km to get to a bike shop to buy a part I need for my bike so I won't have to walk/run everywhere. and my legs are already sore. *whinge whinge whinge* - later, folks |
| 15:54.16 | liable | pumpkin0: not many debian users seem to care |
| 15:54.29 | liable | hehe |
| 15:54.38 | asg | peterS: take a taxi |
| 15:54.51 | liable | peterS: that was quite amusing :) |
| 15:54.53 | pumpkin0 | liable: hopefully nobody finds out berly will be in lenny ... |
| 15:55.04 | peterS | asg: I'm too cheap, and taxi service in this town is really bad. you call for one, it might not show up for 45 minutes |
| 15:55.23 | asg | ouch. I assume public transport is also sub-standard? |
| 15:55.39 | peterS | there are city busses but I've never needed to know much about their schedules, so hmmmm |
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| 15:55.44 | liable | pumpkin0: its actually quite nice. why do you hate linux? |
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| 15:56.14 | pumpkin0 | liable: i hate eyecandy on debian. debian should be more about stable & server. |
| 15:56.17 | peterS | I guess I could do worse than to check now to see if any busses go where I need to go |
| 15:56.19 | topa_ | pumpkin0: compiz on bugs.debian.org is kinda funny |
| 15:56.26 | topa_ | lots of RTFM bugs |
| 15:56.52 | liable | pumpkin0: so you think debian shouldnt have gnome too? |
| 15:57.07 | liable | or kde, or xfce |
| 15:57.14 | liable | just have *box? |
| 15:57.23 | liable | thats a great idea! |
| 15:57.26 | topa_ | liable: maybe debian should ship with ratpoison as the default wM |
| 15:57.27 | dendrite | liable: Nothin' but init. =) |
| 15:57.37 | peterS | ratpoison or pwm |
| 15:57.40 | pumpkin0 | liable: these are needed and make sense. a 3D-dish desktops adds nothing new. |
| 15:57.41 | asg | or ion |
| 15:57.50 | liable | dendrite: omfg! you are onto something! |
| 15:58.08 | topa_ | dendrite: init + screen |
| 15:58.08 | liable | pumpkin0: bleh |
| 15:58.10 | peterS | unfortunately, emacs cannot yet emulate init quite well enough to run the system |
| 15:58.26 | dendrite | topa_: Nah, too much eye candy! :-) :-) |
| 15:58.29 | asg | peterS: init just needs to start emacs and then you are done |
| 15:58.34 | peterS | right |
| 15:58.38 | pumpkin0 | peterS: the important word in that sentence is "yet". |
| 15:58.45 | topa_ | or maybe the perlOS.. |
| 15:58.56 | peterS | a friend tried to set his login shell to emacs, back in 1994, apparently it wasn't quite capable of that either |
| 15:58.59 | dendrite | asg: mv emacs init |
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| 15:59.52 | asg | dendrite: scary |
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| 16:00.14 | dendrite | "Me, I prefer a more lightweight init, so I use vim." |
| 16:00.18 | liable | you hard core *box users suck ass. why the fuck would i not want some fancy shit on my laptop that can support it? |
| 16:00.24 | peterS | /etc/rc2.d/S01emacs |
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| 16:01.35 | liable | that was quite an outrageous statement. |
| 16:02.00 | freakazoid0223 | If i want bload I'd run vista |
| 16:02.11 | freakazoid0223 | bloat |
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| 16:02.55 | schme | who wants those bloated flux/open/whatnot box to start of with... |
| 16:02.56 | asg | freakazoid0223: s/vista/Bob |
| 16:02.58 | medc | there is any program better than amule? |
| 16:03.21 | asg | nfc |
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| 16:03.34 | secher | Ok, my bad. I asked a question, got my attention called elsewhere and missed any replies, and the answer has scrolled off of the log. How capable is cruft? |
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| 16:03.59 | dendrite | secher: Try /lastlog secher |
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| 16:04.19 | liable | depends on the client cache |
| 16:04.24 | sybec | Hello |
| 16:04.32 | dendrite | liable: Yeah, but worth a try. |
| 16:04.44 | secher | dendrite: nice! I'll remember that, but no go here. |
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| 16:05.36 | dendrite | secher: The good news is that you didn't miss anything, nobody answered your question... |
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| 16:05.55 | secher | dendrite: Excellent! <grin> |
| 16:06.08 | dendrite | secher: Cruft is fallible, and it's not an IDS, but it can be handy for finding, well, cruft. |
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| 16:06.46 | dendrite | secher: Fallible in the sense that it may find things that are actually useful to you, of course. |
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| 16:08.09 | secher | dendrite: that's all I need it to do. I've got a dev server I need to clean out, down the the bare system. --purge is not perfect, at all, and thre's been loads of activity on it. I'm just trying to make sure I once again have a 'clean install' so to speak. |
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| 16:09.37 | secher | dendrite: Oh, it's a remote server, too far to drive to, and I don't ahve the 200 ro so bucks to have the host rebuild it, so I need to find some other way. |
| 16:10.19 | pumpkin0 | secher: restart from scratch: use debootstrap to build a new install inside the old one. |
| 16:11.36 | secher | pumpkin0: acutally if I can not find another way, I'm going to do just that. It's just a really complex process and if something fails, I'm screwed. |
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| 16:11.39 | secher | pumpkin0: I've already got the website for the HOWTO |
| 16:11.44 | liable | deborphan debfoster? |
| 16:12.11 | secher | liable: that's what I'm thinking of, a combination of deborphan and cruft. |
| 16:12.14 | j2 | Uhm, i rebooted my Etch-system, and now all i have in /dev is initctl and null..... What might have jappened here, and what can i do? |
| 16:12.23 | liable | but yeah, debootstrap is prolly the way to go |
| 16:12.49 | liable | blame udev! |
| 16:12.52 | secher | I have a feelign that's where I"m going to end up anyway. |
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| 16:13.17 | j2 | liable: Well, after i blamed it with severe prejudice... any hints on how i can recover? |
| 16:13.32 | liable | secher: just do it, you will feel invigorated afterwards! |
| 16:13.51 | liable | secher: sorry, did that sound like a soap commercial? |
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| 16:14.33 | secher | liable: Lol.. yes, especially if I screw it up and have to shell out 200 bucks to get it salvaged. I'll feel real invigorated. <grin> KK, lemme hit hte books again. |
| 16:14.38 | liable | j2: how about a little more info? you rebooted and you only have what? |
| 16:14.39 | capiira | hmmm shit evolution just stoped working |
| 16:14.53 | j2 | in /dev i only see initctl and null |
| 16:15.00 | capiira | i add accounts and send and receive keeps ghosted |
| 16:15.05 | j2 | BUT, i still have /dev/md1 mounted (and others) |
| 16:15.10 | liable | j2: but it boots?? |
| 16:15.16 | j2 | liable: Yeap, clean boot. |
| 16:15.22 | j2 | Even vmware server started. |
| 16:15.26 | j2 | and apache |
| 16:15.30 | j2 | and everything else. |
| 16:15.30 | liable | j2: you arent telling the full story i feel |
| 16:15.41 | j2 | liable: What might be missing? |
| 16:15.50 | liable | j2: this is a vm? |
| 16:16.01 | j2 | liable: No, physical host, but the VM's are working. |
| 16:16.05 | BrianSteffens | Can anyone please recommend mailserver software and perhaps even a good tutorial/instruction for installing it? :) |
| 16:16.29 | j2 | BrianSteffens: Mailserver as in MTA, or complete package with storage-and-stuff? |
| 16:17.03 | liable | BrianSteffens: mail is hard. dont go there unless you want pain |
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| 16:17.06 | BrianSteffens | j2: probably an MTA, unless there is a good complete package with good customization |
| 16:17.11 | maxy | you can have a whole flamewars about this |
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| 16:17.13 | j2 | liable: Box have been running for about 190 days, i shut down to replace my CD-Rw with a DVD-Rw, and when i boot up, strange things happened. |
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| 16:17.17 | Nicoco | hi |
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| 16:17.30 | Nicoco | hi |
| 16:17.30 | FuriousRage | how/where do i get the nvidia geforce 7600GT drivers from? the apt-get dont seam to have it, and nvidia.com is under maintnence |
| 16:17.32 | j2 | BrianSteffens: Exim (tyhe stock MTA for Debian) is nice enough. |
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| 16:17.37 | BrianSteffens | liable: =) |
| 16:17.56 | liable | j2: dunno, sounds to freaky for me |
| 16:17.56 | secher | You know what would be nice? An argument for apt-get that allows sort of an xor 'apt-get salvage <pkglist>' which saves thos packages but completely delets everything else. Dangerous but insane useful if you know what' youre' doing. |
| 16:17.59 | DireFog | FuriousRage: non-free |
| 16:18.09 | Nicoco | i want to set my default clock to UTC+0100 (Europe/Paris) and I can't find where to change it (KDE control center doesn't work) |
| 16:18.14 | capiira | is that normal that the send and receive of evolution keeps ghosted? |
| 16:18.24 | liable | Nicoco: tzconfig |
| 16:18.24 | j2 | liable: No shit? :) Any idea? Is there anyway to get udev (which i assume has something to do with this) to rebuild my devs? |
| 16:18.28 | BrianSteffens | j2: ok thank you i will look into it |
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| 16:18.39 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: install the nvidia.com-edition and kiss your X-server goodbye. |
| 16:18.57 | FuriousRage | pumpkin0, ;> |
| 16:19.15 | liable | j2: of the many udev bugs i have read (and i try to follow it, cause it can be a pita) i have never heard of that |
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| 16:19.26 | pumpkin0 | FuriousRage: so get the deb from non-free or suffer. |
| 16:19.41 | liable | and *still* suffer |
| 16:19.53 | secher | but not as much, barely. |
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| 16:19.56 | FuriousRage | ah there now i get something in the apt-cache search ;> |
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| 16:20.13 | cr3 | I've been trying to find a comparison between apt-cacher and apt-proxy, any recommendations? |
| 16:20.17 | liable | funnily, tzconfig has changed lately |
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| 16:20.38 | h3sp4wn | FuriousRage: If you want the latest ones you can get them from experimental (for etch or sid) |
| 16:20.54 | capiira | looks like its impossible to just use linux * distro |
| 16:21.00 | FuriousRage | h3sp4wn, : just want A working one ;> |
| 16:21.11 | capiira | what a mess |
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| 16:21.52 | pumpkin0 | capiira: use as in "office work" or as in "gaming and eyecandy" or as in "servers" ? |
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| 16:21.55 | liable | capiira: it is. you see, some debian users only want it to be for teh elite |
| 16:22.02 | capiira | office graphics code |
| 16:22.28 | capiira | network icon wont understand that im online |
| 16:22.36 | capiira | evolition wont rend and receive |
| 16:22.42 | capiira | s |
| 16:22.53 | capiira | really strange |
| 16:22.56 | liable | capiira: learn ifconfig |
| 16:23.11 | capiira | as you can see im online |
| 16:23.44 | liable | capiira: really, you will feel refreshed, like you have just run through a forest thats had a recent rain when you learn how to use it. |
| 16:23.55 | capiira | maybe 2.14 & Co. is just buggy as hell |
| 16:24.31 | capiira | yeah but it was working |
| 16:24.38 | secher | liable: LOL. ok you need a shower. No one who sounds that much like a commercial can be clean. |
| 16:24.42 | capiira | and i have done nothing |
| 16:24.51 | liable | <picture> naked girls as you run through forest |
| 16:24.55 | dvs | heh |
| 16:25.06 | capiira | it was working and just stoped |
| 16:25.12 | liable | cant you see that?? |
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| 16:25.24 | capiira | network manager applet icon = a bug |
| 16:25.25 | liable | thats what using ifconfig is like!!! |
| 16:25.42 | liable | its *cleansing* |
| 16:25.55 | blondie | cake? |
| 16:26.01 | liable | why oh why cant people see this? |
| 16:26.28 | capiira | yeah but i dont think ifconfig will enable evolutions send /receive button |
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| 16:27.19 | liable | it will do more than that! didnt you read.. naked girls! forest fresh! |
| 16:27.25 | capiira | lol |
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| 16:27.52 | capiira | maybe evolution is just shit |
| 16:27.55 | j2 | liable: Rebooted again, and /dev is back... but my md2 is gone *gah* |
| 16:27.58 | capiira | let me get thunderbird |
| 16:27.58 | secher | liable: Naw, it's more like living your life surrounded in muck, then all of a sudden someone offers you a shower and a change of clothes. It's satisfying in a fundamenta lway. |
| 16:28.09 | pumpkin0 | liable: having that writing-to-a-black-hole-feeling again ? |
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| 16:28.51 | liable | pumpkin0: well, seeing as you asked, no :P |
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| 16:30.23 | secher | Listen, when I find a really good GUI based app, I start looking for CLI replacements. Almost every time, I've been able to find some superior replacement. I'm just more comfortable with text. |
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| 16:31.20 | liable | i dont see why people do the net app things |
| 16:31.20 | secher | Like when I learned about apropos way back when. Revelation! |
| 16:31.36 | liable | ifconfig, iwconfig, route |
| 16:31.52 | liable | its all you need, and its not that fucking hard |
| 16:32.09 | secher | need food and caffeine, brb. |
| 16:32.25 | xingu | liable: comms is hard, lets go shopping! |
| 16:32.25 | liable | well, plus wpa-supp, but thats even a really good easy thing to learn |
| 16:32.44 | liable | xingu: i want a pony! |
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| 16:33.16 | piper69|laptop | Good morning all |
| 16:33.56 | xingu | liable: actually in linux you're better off using "ip" from iproute2; there's fun things you can do with that, that ifconfig can only dream of |
| 16:34.03 | capiira | hmmmmm icedove is working |
| 16:34.11 | capiira | &%$§"" evolution |
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| 16:34.36 | secher | liable: iwlist, you forgot one. |
| 16:34.45 | liable | xingu: ya, i never got into ip yet. and i am not really sure why. /me puts it on the list |
| 16:34.56 | piper69|laptop | !hostap |
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| 16:35.03 | dvs | stoned: hi |
| 16:35.09 | stoned | hola |
| 16:35.12 | liable | secher: well, goes without saying really, duh! |
| 16:35.13 | dvs | ??? |
| 16:35.15 | pumpkin0 | !tell piper69|laptop about debootstrap |
| 16:35.17 | stoned | I just woke up |
| 16:35.19 | stoned | let me smoke a bowl first man |
| 16:35.21 | stoned | shit |
| 16:35.23 | stoned | hi |
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| 16:36.08 | liable | i used to have that as a youth |
| 16:36.29 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: hostap not boostrap |
| 16:36.49 | stoned | liable, I don't want to keep smoking after college/marriage |
| 16:36.53 | stoned | right now, back off |
| 16:36.54 | stoned | :) |
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| 16:36.59 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: there is no factiod hostap ... |
| 16:37.09 | liable | stoned: you wont, and i will :) |
| 16:37.25 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: where can i read about it then |
| 16:37.36 | stoned | dvs, liable, I just built a core 2 duo system, for 150$ |
| 16:37.41 | stoned | can ANYONE beat that |
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| 16:37.45 | stoned | and its installing etch as we speak |
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| 16:37.51 | stoned | :D |
| 16:37.52 | dvs | stoned: I could, but it wouldn't work. ;-) |
| 16:38.06 | liable | stoned: it better be doing it FAST!!!! |
| 16:38.17 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HostAP or the hostap-Homepage. |
| 16:38.17 | piper69|laptop | stoned: i can beat you for spending that much! |
| 16:38.24 | piper69|laptop | lol |
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| 16:38.49 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: or the man-page after you installed it. |
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| 16:39.16 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: my problem is installing it |
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| 16:40.35 | stoned | dvs, 189$ e6300, 99$ Gigabyte 965P S3, 1gb dd2-6400 ram, corsair, SPD 444-12 $120, already had HDD/DVD+-/CDRW/, 14$ Case, 40$ PSU |
| 16:40.42 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: so what is the error-msg ? |
| 16:40.45 | stoned | add it all up, how much is it |
| 16:41.17 | dvs | stoned: nice, What kind of PSU did you get/ |
| 16:41.20 | liable | stoned: your a thief? |
| 16:41.42 | stoned | liable, what? |
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| 16:42.24 | liable | stoned: well, your'e saying you built it on the cheap, whats a person to think? |
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| 16:42.39 | stoned | well |
| 16:42.49 | stoned | this all adds up to about 500~ish dollars |
| 16:42.51 | piper69|laptop | what error? |
| 16:42.51 | dvs | stoned: it'd cost me almost a grand to build the computer I want. |
| 16:42.56 | liable | stoned: and if you aren't, send me some bits! |
| 16:43.15 | stoned | I sold my system (old one) for 550$, and I bought a 7900GT KO SuperClock for like 250 |
| 16:43.27 | stoned | so really, out of pocket, I spent like maybe 150$ |
| 16:43.37 | stoned | some toys here and there too, shipping as well |
| 16:43.40 | stoned | no tax though |
| 16:44.03 | liable | stoned: right, so you actually lied in your original statement!! |
| 16:44.23 | stoned | liable, nope. I spent about 150$ out of pocket, the rest came from oney alredy spent |
| 16:44.24 | liable | stoned: jk :P |
| 16:44.27 | stoned | lol |
| 16:44.30 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: you have a problem installing it and you do not have a error-msg. Now ... ? |
| 16:44.30 | stoned | cut it out man |
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| 16:46.00 | stoned | liable, with stock everything its running at 2.8ghz. I ordered a 99$ corsair water cooling kit. Right now I'm at 1.25 vcore, about 400~ish FSB x 7 multiplier |
| 16:46.24 | liable | i wanna get a duo thingo board for my home server, hopefully the lack of the pci raid card will let me put a tvcard in so i can make it a media boxen too |
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| 16:47.02 | stoned | with the watercooling copper block on my cpu, plus a north bridge cooling heatsink+fan and I can pump it up to 1.4~ish vcore and up the vdimm to 2.0~+ish and get about maybe 430fsb without blowing it up |
| 16:47.09 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: i want to install it,,didn't install it yet |
| 16:47.12 | stoned | around 3ghz is good enough of a mark for me |
| 16:47.34 | liable | water cooling is as gay as wanting beryl for debian! |
| 16:47.47 | stoned | I would have preferred to get a e6600 with 4mb l2 and higher multiplier so you can reach higher speeds with slight fsb increase |
| 16:48.00 | liable | stoned: you had to be here for that convo.. |
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| 16:48.06 | stoned | hehe |
| 16:48.09 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: just do apt-get install hostap | how can i make sure that the driver is installed , because other than the wifi card i don't have a nic to connect to the internet again |
| 16:48.09 | stoned | !gay |
| 16:48.09 | dpkg | It's OK to fantasize about men and to enjoy anal stimulation. It doesn't mean you're "gay". So stop projecting your insecurities onto others. Using this term as a derogatory adjective is very offensive, so do not use it as such. If you continue acting like a child, expect to be devoiced. |
| 16:48.18 | stoned | !lart liable |
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| 16:48.42 | sybec | What the |
| 16:48.45 | liable | meh |
| 16:48.51 | stoned | tee hee |
| 16:49.01 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: etch or sarge ? |
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| 16:49.02 | sybec | !lesbian |
| 16:49.03 | dpkg | somebody said lesbian was probably a variation of debian http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 16:49.09 | sybec | :( |
| 16:49.14 | secher | !pron-get |
| 16:49.15 | dpkg | hmm... porn-get is at http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 16:49.18 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: sarge |
| 16:49.20 | liable | it sucks you cant use gay as a explanation anymore |
| 16:49.43 | secher | liable: I'm not touching that statement with a 10 foot pole. |
| 16:49.45 | stoned | I refer to a certain type of techno music as gay |
| 16:49.47 | BrianSteffens | that's really weird lol. |
| 16:50.04 | BrianSteffens | somebody has too much time on their hands |
| 16:50.06 | stoned | the Happy Hardcore techno genre becomes Gay Hardcore |
| 16:50.14 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-modules-2.6.8-3-YOUR-ARCH-HERE. and test the modules. |
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| 16:50.35 | liable | well, i dont know wtf to say these days when gay is really the word that fits |
| 16:50.49 | freakazoid0223 | secher: you have a 10 ft pole :O |
| 16:50.58 | liable | stoned: oooh, ten foot eh? oooh aah |
| 16:51.20 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: |
| 16:51.20 | liable | i thik i should go to bed |
| 16:51.29 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: |
| 16:51.32 | piper69|laptop | errrrrr |
| 16:51.54 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: take your time and prove-read it twice. |
| 16:52.11 | liable | stoned: i grew up with hapy hardcore techno |
| 16:52.21 | liable | stoned: before it was popular |
| 16:52.21 | HardDisk_WP | how do i create a man page? |
| 16:52.46 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: apt-get intall hostap-utils and what about the hostap module 2.6.8 do an apt-get intall for that too |
| 16:52.46 | manup | HardDisk_WP, type man man |
| 16:52.53 | liable | stoned: it fucking rocked |
| 16:53.21 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: yes. apt-get install packageX packageY installs packageX and packageY. |
| 16:54.29 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: please show me , i don't know how to test the module, is it modprobe |
| 16:54.50 | liable | stoned: you were prolly still in junior high :P |
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| 16:55.14 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: do a modprobe and have a look at dmesg. If there are no error-msgs from modprobe and nothing serious in dmesg: congrats it worked. |
| 16:55.41 | manup | is captive a good solution to rw to a ntfs-fs? |
| 16:55.43 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: E: Couldn't find package hostap-modules-2.6.8-3-YOUR-ARCH-HERE. |
| 16:56.11 | liable | manup: there really isnt a good solution for writing to ntfs |
| 16:56.13 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: replace YOUR-ARCH-HERE with the arch you are currently using. |
| 16:56.34 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: what arch |
| 16:56.44 | cr3 | I installed bind behind a firewall and it doesn't seem to be resolving external addresses. so, I tried the following iptables rules but it still doesn't work: iptables -t nat -N DNS; iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth1 -p udp --dport domain -j DNS |
| 16:56.46 | pumpkin0 | manup: the best available is ntfs-g3. I would not trust it in production. |
| 16:57.01 | DireFog | piper69|laptop: uname -m |
| 16:57.11 | manup | liable, is there a solution to convert ntfs to fat32 WITHOUT a loose of data? |
| 16:57.13 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: 386, 686, 686-smp or k7 |
| 16:57.25 | j2 | manup: No free one. |
| 16:57.30 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: 686 |
| 16:57.37 | pumpkin0 | manup: yes. There are some windows-toys for that. |
| 16:57.42 | spoopin | cr3: You've configured bind to allow recursive requests, right? |
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| 16:57.52 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: OK, now install that package. |
| 16:58.01 | liable | manup: no. backup data, remove ntfs, make fat32 and reinstall |
| 16:58.30 | DevilChaos | hi folks could someone tell me what jave runtime enviroment package i need to download from java.sun.com to make asureus work package names are j2se or j2sdk but i dont know which one to download or witch version? |
| 16:58.30 | pumpkin0 | manup: (i don't trust them eigther...) |
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| 16:58.33 | cr3 | spoopin: I thought the default configuration did that |
| 16:58.33 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: none. java is a package in debian and you should use that. |
| 16:58.46 | manup | j2, pumpkin0 what would happen if i copy all data from ntfs-partition to my linux/ext-partition, convert the ntfs to fat and recopy then? |
| 16:58.55 | DireFog | nothing bad |
| 16:58.57 | DevilChaos | yeah but my friend said i needed to do this |
| 16:58.58 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: it's installing now , how can i disable the oronico drive and load the hostap |
| 16:58.59 | pumpkin0 | manup: that is the way... |
| 16:59.11 | manup | j2, pumpkin0 would my windows the run or would i have to reinstall? |
| 16:59.16 | DevilChaos | pumpkin0:will that work like |
| 16:59.18 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 16:59.18 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: i'm your friend too and i tell you to go the debian-way. |
| 16:59.19 | j2 | manup: Should work. As long as you are either running ext3, or have no files >2GB. |
| 16:59.43 | manup | j2, that wouldnt be the problem. |
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| 16:59.56 | spoopin | cr3: I'm pretty sure you need a 'allow-recursion { 127.0.0.1; };' line in the config |
| 17:00.05 | manup | pumpkin0, j2 what about windows? would it boot on fat32 or not? |
| 17:00.10 | snowbird | burning what liable said to doo |
| 17:00.10 | pumpkin0 | manup: you may have to call fixmbr if windows is still starting with it's now bootloader-thing. |
| 17:00.12 | cr3 | spoopin: cheers, I'll try that |
| 17:00.24 | j2 | manup: Windows boots on FAT32, but i wouldnt use fat32 for windows. |
| 17:00.30 | DireFog | DevilChaos: pretty much any version can be made a debian package with make-jpkg from java-package |
| 17:00.34 | spoopin | cr3: ... and any additional ips or networks that you want it to resolve external addresses for |
| 17:00.34 | manup | j2, and what instead? |
| 17:00.39 | manup | j2, ntfs?! |
| 17:00.39 | DevilChaos | ok ill try it out also have a problem with the port azureus wants to connect to on my nat it just keeps saying nat error with the default port what can i do about this? |
| 17:00.45 | piper69|laptop | !arch |
| 17:00.45 | dpkg | somebody said arch was a source control revision system that developers can use to develop projects in a distributed fashion. Arch (and its twin brother ArX) resides at http://arch.fifthvision.net/, or http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5928, or #arch |
| 17:00.51 | j2 | manup: ntfs really is the fs-of-choise for windows. |
| 17:01.01 | manup | damn |
| 17:01.04 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: that is not what you are looking for. |
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| 17:01.21 | DevilChaos | i have already set the nat to alow tcp and udp ports for bittorrents |
| 17:01.33 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: well i feel am stuck here |
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| 17:01.58 | manup | j2, pumpkin0 4 partitions on one hd would drive the performance down, wont they? |
| 17:02.11 | j2 | manup: Of course not. |
| 17:02.15 | DireFog | manup: compared to 4 separate drives, yes |
| 17:02.26 | manup | ? |
| 17:02.30 | DireFog | but there's no inherent performance loss |
| 17:02.31 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: you want a debian-java, right ? => sun-java5-jre |
| 17:02.40 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: brb |
| 17:02.42 | pumpkin0 | manup: depends on the load. |
| 17:02.59 | pumpkin0 | piper69|laptop: run "uname -a" and post the result here. |
| 17:03.01 | DevilChaos | h |
| 17:03.05 | DevilChaos | yeah |
| 17:03.06 | DireFog | if you access all aprtitions simultaneously, that's faster with separate drives. But partitions themselves aren't slow |
| 17:03.27 | stoned | saddam is dead |
| 17:03.28 | manup | j2, DireFog I have a notebook with ONE HD. I would then create 1) ntfs for win 2)fat for files 3)swat 4)ext3 |
| 17:03.39 | dvs | stoned: and...? |
| 17:03.46 | DireFog | looks good... |
| 17:03.56 | stoned | I was in jr. high when liable enjoyed Gay Hardcore |
| 17:03.58 | stoned | :) |
| 17:04.00 | j2 | manup: I have never ever multibooted a system.. but that should work. |
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| 17:04.11 | DireFog | but ntfs for win isn't even really necessary unless you need file permissions |
| 17:04.19 | stoned | umm |
| 17:04.26 | stoned | ntfs is better than fat32 still |
| 17:04.27 | DireFog | in fact, fat is a bit faster |
| 17:04.31 | stoned | depending on your partition size |
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| 17:04.36 | pumpkin0 | manup: change the order: swap - linux- windows - data. Most drives are faster at the start, slower at the end. |
| 17:04.42 | liable | stoned: dude, thats so not funny |
| 17:04.44 | DireFog | it just sucks for big drives and big files |
| 17:04.49 | j2 | DireFog: Uhm.. NTFS journals. NTFS is faster on justabout anything over 32GB. NTFS has encryption etc etc etc |
| 17:04.50 | stoned | liable, thats funny as balls man |
| 17:05.10 | stoned | liable, sorry dude, just take it as a joke, like a man |
| 17:05.15 | liable | stoned: i guess for penisless children, yeah |
| 17:05.19 | stoned | lol |
| 17:05.21 | pumpkin0 | j2: use NTFS-encryption and i kill come over to kill you right now. |
| 17:05.23 | stoned | see there ya go |
| 17:05.32 | stoned | awesome comeback, *thumbs up* |
| 17:05.33 | DireFog | j2: I'd use something like truecrypt for encryption anyway |
| 17:05.36 | DevilChaos | sun-java5-jdk? |
| 17:05.38 | j2 | pumpkin0: and why? |
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| 17:05.47 | dvs | DevilChaos: sun-java5-jre |
| 17:05.54 | dvs | DevilChaos: if you only want to run Java |
| 17:06.00 | j2 | DireFog: Well, truecrypt really isnt as transparent as a FS with internal crypt. |
| 17:06.02 | manup | this is all crap. why cant i just rw ntfs like fat... |
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| 17:06.06 | DireFog | NTFS enc is the best way to lose data ever :-) |
| 17:06.08 | pumpkin0 | DevilChaos: JRE for running programms, JDK for making programms. |
| 17:06.24 | manup | i dont want to reinstall windows - i just did two days ago |
| 17:06.30 | j2 | DireFog: We use it on about a thousand laptops, so far no problem. |
| 17:06.41 | DevilChaos | found and installing now |
| 17:06.41 | DireFog | but no one *ever* backs up their keys |
| 17:06.53 | pumpkin0 | j2: the keys are stored in a registery. You can read that without having to launch windows, without any passwords... |
| 17:06.58 | stoned | you wanna hear something funny |
| 17:06.59 | DevilChaos | what about the error im getting for my nat port? |
| 17:07.06 | j2 | DireFog: THAT you handle within the AD, hence noone needs to back up their keys. |
| 17:07.16 | j2 | pumpkin0: I am sure you have a reference for that claim? |
| 17:07.20 | stoned | I have 750gb disk, ext3, mounted under windows with write support for ext3 with ext2fsd |
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| 17:07.42 | stoned | after I used the disks for RW for a while, I booted linux, and guess what!, NO OS found |
| 17:07.42 | mzilikazi | anyone know of a replacement file selector for gtk2? |
| 17:07.45 | DireFog | j2: about 100 forum posts in one month |
| 17:07.58 | DireFog | "I reinstalled windows and my data is gone" |
| 17:08.01 | pumpkin0 | j2: that's wath convar told me after recovering 20 GB from my bosses laptop... |
| 17:08.15 | stoned | partition table I looked at, it says my 750gb disk was hpfs/ntfs, linux wouldn't read it, but windows would |
| 17:08.24 | stoned | and windows wouldn't even read it as ntfs, it would still mount it as ext3 |
| 17:08.27 | j2 | DireFog: Well, that is how the encryption is _supposed_ to work. |
| 17:08.36 | stoned | I was like, man before I lose all my shit, I better back it up |
| 17:08.36 | DevilChaos | is there an azureus wiki site? |
| 17:08.44 | stoned | so I backed it up and now that whole disk is ntfs |
| 17:08.45 | wakejagr | after apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade on my etch machine, x is failing because it is unable to "open default font fixed". i have font packages installed (xfonts-75dpi xfonts-100dpi xfonts-scalable), and i did apt-get install xorg to make sure i'm not missing anything obvious. is there another font package i may have lost in the upgrade? |
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| 17:09.09 | liable | DevilChaos: you ask us, instead of $web-engine? |
| 17:09.10 | j2 | pumpkin0: Not to be a bastard, but to me it sounds like he found an unencrypted copy of the data, and used that, or was able to guess the boss password. But, i would appreciate a source for some hard evidence. |
| 17:09.16 | manup | j2, pumpkin0, DireFog what about ntfs-3g? |
| 17:09.20 | stoned | wakejagr, could try dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig-config |
| 17:09.31 | pumpkin0 | wakejagr: your font-path is wrong and needs changing. can you edit /etc/X11/xorg.conf ? |
| 17:09.31 | j2 | manup: i wouldnt touch 3g in production. |
| 17:09.54 | stoned | I had to do that on my sid box a few weeks ago |
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| 17:10.04 | Dembug | thx for your help earlier ppl |
| 17:10.04 | stoned | it came with all the wrong fontpaths |
| 17:10.06 | DevilChaos | lol get better answers from you guys mostly heh |
| 17:10.23 | DevilChaos | bollock lol and heh in the same sentence he he |
| 17:10.29 | DevilChaos | arrrrrrg |
| 17:10.29 | wakejagr | font path makes sense. thanks all |
| 17:10.32 | liable | meh, it doesnt fail unless you dont have any of the right paths |
| 17:10.46 | stoned | liable, yeh, it was a bug |
| 17:10.52 | stoned | all paths were wrong, wrong X dir |
| 17:10.53 | stoned | heh |
| 17:11.15 | j2 | manup: If you _really_ want to access NTFS, use vmware-server, and get a second windows license, then run that from Linux, and use samba. |
| 17:11.36 | stoned | MS made virtual pc 2004 free |
| 17:11.38 | stoned | wow |
| 17:12.02 | cr3 | spoopin: I added recusion yes to named.conf.options, then changed my firewall rules a bit and it worked! thanks man |
| 17:12.15 | DireFog | j2: an encryption mechanism should allow a user to recover data even when a large part of the system craps itself. A system that fails to provide access to legitimate users in that case is a bit on the broken side in my book. |
| 17:12.19 | capiira | liable you was right |
| 17:12.19 | spoopin | cr3: No problem. congrats. |
| 17:12.34 | capiira | (&%$§"$%&/8 network manager |
| 17:12.47 | liable | capiira: for what? |
| 17:12.49 | piper69|laptop | pumpkin0: Linux pineriver 2.6.8-3-386 #1 Wed Dec 6 00:38:53 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:12.57 | capiira | applet icon + evolution send receive |
| 17:12.57 | j2 | DireFog: That is why you _always_ appoint an decryption ombundsman within your AD-forest. |
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| 17:13.09 | j2 | DireFog: That user can decrypt _any_ data within the forest. |
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| 17:13.17 | DireFog | and what if you don't *have* AD for some reason? |
| 17:13.17 | capiira | network manager must be buggy as hell |
| 17:13.29 | j2 | DireFog: Then you do it locally on your system. |
| 17:13.42 | DireFog | now *that* was funny. |
| 17:13.50 | DireFog | the system is broken, forgot that? |
| 17:14.02 | manup | wow, my notebook just shut down - out of the blue. kacpi had 30% cpu usage. wtf... |
| 17:14.13 | liable | capiira: forget em, ifconfig is for kings running through freshly rained on forests in the nude! |
| 17:14.15 | j2 | DireFog: I never claimed you could do it _after_. In fact, you must do it before you enable encryption on a single file. |
| 17:14.26 | capiira | :) |
| 17:14.43 | capiira | yeah i need to figure this out |
| 17:14.55 | DireFog | so a few clicks can be the permanent kiss of death for your data. |
| 17:15.02 | capiira | what ? |
| 17:15.07 | DireFog | a few clicks that look harmless at that. |
| 17:15.14 | capiira | stable ? |
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| 17:15.32 | j2 | DireFog: And that is different from Truecrypt just how? I mean, set up nested containers, and forget to enable the protection for your inner container... |
| 17:16.11 | capiira | ok |
| 17:16.16 | pingouin | what is a sit0 ? in the network ? |
| 17:16.57 | liable | pingouin: its a ipv6 thing |
| 17:17.14 | ben23 | is there anywhere i can create a defualt home directory, because i want to add some files, i have a batch file for users |
| 17:17.28 | capiira | few days ago i installed debian on a encryped lvm using dm-crypt how do i backup the key? |
| 17:17.41 | capiira | i used the netcd installer |
| 17:18.00 | DevilChaos | Testing port 23788 ... NAT Error |
| 17:18.05 | DevilChaos | ? |
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| 17:18.27 | capiira | i need to know this before i start copying my sensitive data to the encryped disk |
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| 17:19.20 | capiira | :) |
| 17:19.26 | pingouin | liable: damn...if fxxk me up my dhcp detect |
| 17:19.34 | pingouin | liable: how can i get rid of ? |
| 17:19.37 | DireFog | j2: I need to look at that, gimme a moment :-) |
| 17:19.37 | secher | in what way is discover better than lspci? |
| 17:19.52 | liable | pingouin: it shouldnt have anything to do with dhcp |
| 17:20.05 | liable | secher: hwinfo |
| 17:20.14 | secher | liable: Danke man. |
| 17:20.21 | j2 | DireFog: Which, the nested thing? |
| 17:20.27 | DireFog | yep |
| 17:20.34 | liable | hrm, that wasnt quite right |
| 17:20.56 | DireFog | and given the fact that I can't really see well right now, that might take a while with that damn high-res laptop screen :-/ |
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| 17:21.49 | liable | DireFog: send me your high res screen, i will send you a not so high res one :) |
| 17:21.58 | j2 | Dire: You understand the principle tho? |
| 17:22.11 | secher | liable: That rocks! |
| 17:22.11 | Interex | Does anyone in here know anything about IBM Netfinity Servers and the ServeRAID 3L controller card? |
| 17:22.14 | secher | !beer liable |
| 17:22.17 | DireFog | not quite right now, that's why I'm looking at it |
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| 17:22.26 | DireFog | haven't used nested containers |
| 17:22.27 | Hamish | Hello |
| 17:22.34 | Hamish | May I ask how I change the system language? |
| 17:22.46 | Hamish | I got a dedicated server from a German company. |
| 17:22.49 | stoned | dpkg-reconfigure locale? |
| 17:22.49 | Hamish | And it's all in german |
| 17:22.50 | AciD | /etc/environment |
| 17:22.51 | j2 | DireFog: basically, you can keep filling up the oputer volume, and then it will overwrite your hidden data, unless you enable a setting which is _not_ enabled by default. |
| 17:22.59 | stoned | !locales |
| 17:23.00 | dpkg | Use `dpkg-reconfigure locales' to get it up and running. This generates locale definitions and also edits /etc/environment which sets the $LANG environment variable at login time. You can override this in your personal dotfiles, of course (see http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/DotFiles) |
| 17:23.16 | DireFog | heh... nice :-) |
| 17:23.19 | pingouin | liable: strange, i have reboot a computer, a sit0 appears in the ifconfig -a, and the dhcp fail......i'm confuse...so i've put a static config in /etc/network/interfaces , it's work again... . Anyway thanks for the clue about the ipv6 |
| 17:23.21 | stoned | if you're happy and you know it clap your hands |
| 17:23.22 | Hamish | Thanks. |
| 17:23.26 | stoned | YW |
| 17:23.35 | secher | !clap |
| 17:23.45 | Hamish | Hmm.. |
| 17:23.47 | DireFog | but well, if you're paranoid enough to need hidden containers, then that is the only way to actually hide them. |
| 17:23.48 | stoned | lol |
| 17:23.51 | Hamish | The reconfigure program is all in German |
| 17:23.56 | Hamish | It's really hard to understand |
| 17:23.57 | DireFog | otherwise, it'd be trivial to find them. |
| 17:24.02 | liable | pingouin: sit0 shouldnt have anything to do with your normal ifaces, ggole it |
| 17:24.05 | liable | google |
| 17:24.15 | stoned | Hamish, then manually modify the files. Read the links etc. |
| 17:24.17 | j2 | DireFog: if you DO enable the feature, you cant overwrite the data, but then the outer volume is corrupt, meaning it is a fair assumption to guess something is hiding there. |
| 17:24.56 | j2 | DireFog: yes, but, like the NTFS-decryption ombudsman, it is a great way to bite yourself in the arse unless you _really_ understand the processes. |
| 17:25.23 | DireFog | IMO, that's a point where your own paranoia bites you. |
| 17:25.29 | liable | Hamish: you dont understand german, but someone gave you a german server to admin? |
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| 17:25.40 | secher | Heh, good night's sleep, huge mug of tea, home made bread, toasted, with butter and black raspberry jam and a day with no family to bug me. makes me beyond happy, I"m fscking almost euphoric. Oh, yeah my anal retentive business partner is out of town also, so wonlt be calling me 10 tomes today. |
| 17:25.44 | DireFog | it's not about losing the keys, but it's a necessary evil to hide data. |
| 17:25.56 | Hamish | liable: I bought the server from a german company because i had heard good reviews about it. |
| 17:25.58 | stoned | secher, dude, you're making me droooool |
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| 17:26.23 | Eulex | Hamish, LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 17:26.24 | stoned | secher, can I come over for some tea and toast |
| 17:26.25 | secher | stoned: I was getting out the bread when you did your wake and bake, was thinking of you. <grin> |
| 17:26.30 | liable | secher: oh, man, that toast bit has me drueling |
| 17:26.40 | stoned | dude that sounds kinda offwhitish |
| 17:26.44 | stoned | don't be thinking about me |
| 17:26.46 | secher | stoned: if anyone's near the Phila area, come on over, there's plenty for everyone. |
| 17:26.47 | stoned | eww |
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| 17:26.51 | stoned | :D |
| 17:26.52 | j2 | Uhm, can i see which modules are actually loaded in apache2? I have a module in mods-enabled, that doesnt seem to do its thing (mod_env) |
| 17:27.02 | liable | yuck |
| 17:27.18 | Hamish | hmm |
| 17:27.18 | liable | this channel is way to fucked up tonightr |
| 17:27.22 | Lamperi | :ED |
| 17:27.23 | Hamish | which locales should i select? |
| 17:27.26 | secher | stoned: Not like that jerky. I just know how good really good food is when you're baked. |
| 17:27.27 | Lamperi | tonight? |
| 17:27.33 | DireFog | shouldn't modules be shown on e.g. the 401 page? |
| 17:27.35 | Hamish | none of them seem to resemble english |
| 17:27.36 | stoned | secher, yes yes |
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| 17:27.51 | stoned | en_US-utf8 |
| 17:27.52 | Eulex | Hamish, the ones you want? en_GB, en_US? |
| 17:27.55 | stoned | or something along those lines |
| 17:27.58 | liable | Lamperi: the world doesnt just revolve around your country :P |
| 17:27.59 | j2 | DireFog: doesnt look that way |
| 17:28.02 | Hamish | Oh is see. |
| 17:28.05 | Hamish | Thanks |
| 17:28.20 | stoned | its language_countryspecificversion |
| 17:28.29 | stoned | like en_us, en_ca etc. |
| 17:28.45 | manup | my fans are running wild since reboot. i have a hp nx6325. |
| 17:28.57 | manup | how can i control them? |
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| 17:29.02 | benkong2 | why does apt-get install mozilla-firefox not give me FF 2.0? I am on Debian Etch rc1 and /msg dpkg firefox says it should work? |
| 17:29.04 | stoned | I have a new 3ghz core 2 setup |
| 17:29.06 | stoned | I'm so happy |
| 17:29.07 | liable | manup: get nacked, and run free with them! |
| 17:29.07 | stoned | :D |
| 17:29.13 | secher | stoned: Now I'm going to have to go out and get some kind from my buddy, I've not smoked in several months.. make a big feast, and then have a kindbud appetizer. WOOT! I haee my sat night plans! |
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| 17:29.30 | DevilChaos | pumpkin0: thanks for the tips :) |
| 17:29.30 | stoned | dude I so wanna come over |
| 17:29.31 | manup | liable, hmm, no, to cold in here *g* |
| 17:29.35 | Hamish | Okay cool. |
| 17:29.38 | Hamish | Thanks people. |
| 17:29.44 | stoned | secher, you got any big booty hoes |
| 17:29.51 | liable | manup: ah, been in the pool? :) |
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| 17:30.11 | manup | ^^ |
| 17:30.13 | DireFog | j2: if you have server-status enabled, that might help |
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| 17:30.18 | stoned | I'm talking like a booty the size of kansas |
| 17:30.20 | stoned | or something |
| 17:30.26 | manup | liable, honestly, what could i do? |
| 17:30.29 | secher | stoned: Nope, but I'm sure we can find some cute geek groupie chickies in Philly at a pub or club. |
| 17:30.35 | Eulex | arrr, booty! |
| 17:30.49 | secher | stoned: LOL. |
| 17:31.05 | stoned | The Return of Chef - Southpark |
| 17:31.10 | stoned | man, that shit is great |
| 17:31.17 | dvs | "Hello, Children!" |
| 17:31.22 | liable | manup: for your particular box, i dont know, most likely echoing a value to /sys, but i have no clue |
| 17:31.24 | stoned | withe the super adventure club |
| 17:31.26 | secher | PHilly is the only city where I've met women who refer to themselves as 'geek groupies'. Kk, back to work, maybe. |
| 17:31.37 | stoned | eh |
| 17:31.44 | stoned | my girl is a nerd |
| 17:31.48 | liable | stoned: really? |
| 17:31.52 | stoned | o yeah man |
| 17:31.56 | liable | secher: ^^ |
| 17:31.58 | stoned | total med school nerd |
| 17:32.06 | secher | I see! I see! |
| 17:32.12 | stoned | she is hot |
| 17:32.22 | stoned | shes been with me since we were 5 years old |
| 17:32.25 | liable | oh dear |
| 17:32.28 | manup | liable, so, where to look for it? google only gives the urls to people with the same problem without a solution. |
| 17:32.40 | secher | stoned: are you serious? |
| 17:32.43 | stoned | she playes video games, and rides skateboards |
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| 17:33.02 | secher | stoned: Nice, gratz man. way to go! |
| 17:33.04 | stoned | she likes compuers but not as much as I |
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| 17:33.20 | DireFog | j2: but mod_env doesn't seem to show there neither |
| 17:33.40 | liable | manup: if the kernel doesnt support fan control for that box, theres nothing you can do :( |
| 17:33.40 | stoned | secher, and I've got a little one |
| 17:33.52 | liable | penis? |
| 17:33.56 | stoned | kid |
| 17:33.57 | stoned | man |
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| 17:33.58 | stoned | wtf |
| 17:34.04 | capiira | hmmm anyone know how to let the net installer cd recognize my encrypted LVMs? |
| 17:34.14 | secher | stoned: I think he means kid. LOL.. Mine's 8, she's the best. |
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| 17:34.20 | stoned | oh |
| 17:34.21 | stoned | lol |
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| 17:34.29 | secher | err, rather, liable, stoned means kid. |
| 17:34.30 | stoned | omg, for a second there I just read she's the beast |
| 17:34.31 | stoned | lol |
| 17:34.32 | liable | sorry |
| 17:34.34 | secher | all confused. |
| 17:34.38 | dvs | secher: wait 6 years. :-> |
| 17:35.19 | secher | dvs: Heh, for sure. I'm still god to her, so I'm loving every second of it. I know what happens at 13 or 14, so I'm stocking up on warm fuzzies now. |
| 17:35.30 | dvs | heh |
| 17:35.35 | manup | liable, the fan-power (strong or light blowing) remains on the "value" from boot. if it was blowing strongly at startup, it blows now the same way... |
| 17:35.48 | stoned | blowing is good |
| 17:35.51 | stoned | manup, |
| 17:35.59 | secher | ROTF |
| 17:36.07 | stoned | lol |
| 17:36.15 | stoned | i'm sorry, I'm sorry .. lol |
| 17:36.20 | stoned | I couldn't resist |
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| 17:36.47 | manup | stoned, what would you say if i am a girl? ^^ |
| 17:37.01 | stoned | if you can blow good you got my respect |
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| 17:37.08 | stoned | I mean |
| 17:37.09 | stoned | shit |
| 17:37.12 | stoned | did I say that outloud |
| 17:37.21 | secher | LOL. |
| 17:37.26 | manup | lol |
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| 17:37.42 | stoned | I meant really |
| 17:37.50 | stoned | thats what it boils down to at the end of the day |
| 17:37.54 | manup | man am i lucky that i am a guy. |
| 17:37.55 | stoned | we should eliminate currency |
| 17:38.11 | liable | right |
| 17:38.12 | stoned | currency should be replaced by a system of cheeseburgers and blowjobs |
| 17:38.28 | stoned | cuz really thats all you need at the end of the day |
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| 17:39.06 | stoned | "hey how much you want for that car, I got a cheeseburger" Awe man, I just ate "oh wwait wait, hold on. *starts to open mouth* |
| 17:39.07 | stoned | see |
| 17:39.12 | stoned | how easy it becomes |
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| 17:39.21 | secher | stoned: you bring what you're smoking, I'll make the feast, we'll find some chippies to have dinner with us, and we'll party like the Caesars! |
| 17:39.24 | stoned | there are a few glitches in the ssytem I haven't worked out yet |
| 17:39.31 | dvs | stoned: I see you got your bowl. |
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| 17:39.34 | stoned | like hindus for example |
| 17:39.38 | alexander | sup all |
| 17:39.39 | stoned | with the cheeseburgers |
| 17:39.47 | secher | stoned: SSTOP>> I an't stop laughting;. |
| 17:39.54 | alexander | quick question: ia64 is for core2duo? |
| 17:39.54 | stoned | lol |
| 17:40.13 | sybec | alexander: yes. |
| 17:40.18 | pumpkin0 | alexander: no |
| 17:40.19 | alexander | thx |
| 17:40.23 | Kvant | alexander, no |
| 17:40.24 | alexander | no? |
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| 17:40.31 | dvs | NO! |
| 17:40.34 | pumpkin0 | alexander: C2D = AMD64 |
| 17:40.34 | lord_rob | ia64 == itanium |
| 17:40.41 | alexander | oh |
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| 17:40.45 | sybec | wait wtf. I read "ia64 OR core2duo" |
| 17:40.46 | stoned | I downloaded 9 1.8GB DVDS in one night |
| 17:40.54 | stoned | 9 -10 hours |
| 17:40.55 | alexander | amd64 then? |
| 17:41.00 | stoned | sweet |
| 17:41.02 | lord_rob | yes |
| 17:41.03 | pumpkin0 | alexander: or i386. |
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| 17:41.18 | stoned | tons of movie watching to do over the weekend |
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| 17:41.56 | alexander | pumpkin0, ive already installed my system for amd64, except elilo... but can i mix a 386 package in with the rest of my system? |
| 17:42.04 | capiira | so anyone know how to let the net installer cd recognize my already encrypted LVMs partitions? |
| 17:42.11 | Eulex | alexander, no |
| 17:42.11 | capiira | maybe a site that explains or something |
| 17:42.23 | Eulex | alexander, nice name, btw |
| 17:42.23 | pumpkin0 | alexander: not without pain. |
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| 17:43.27 | alexander | so anyone know where I can get my hands on elilo for amd64? |
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| 17:45.46 | Eulex | alexander, why do you want elilo? |
| 17:46.40 | alexander | Eulex, is there any other way to boot an EFI machine? ive deleted all partitions from a macbook inc. the EFI part (holds the bios compatibility code) thinking I could install elilo |
| 17:47.06 | alexander | grub2 can do the same as elilo? |
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| 17:47.49 | secher | capiira: no idea man, sorry. |
| 17:47.57 | capiira | okay thx :) |
| 17:48.22 | Eulex | alexander, oh. I don't think so. the problem is that elilo only seems to run on ia64 and ia32 linux, and not on amd64 linux. |
| 17:48.22 | resistance | Cyis: are u online? |
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| 17:49.05 | Eulex | alexander, basically: install debian for i386 |
| 17:49.12 | alexander | Eulex, ive read grub2 boots into EFI... sometimes... ill give it a try since my only other option is reinstalling OSX |
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| 17:49.23 | alexander | or i386 debian |
| 17:49.25 | Eulex | alexander, ok |
| 17:49.48 | alexander | Eulex, would you recommend i386 debian over amd64 debian for now? |
| 17:50.39 | NiklasH_work | hi, i have a file server that needs to prioritize traffic to a certain client above other traffic. could anyone recommend a good way to do this? I've been looking a bit at traffic shaping, but i'm not sure if there's a better way |
| 17:50.42 | pumpkin0 | alexander: if you need non-free stuff (flash for webbrowser, driver for the gfx) then go i386. |
| 17:50.46 | Eulex | alexander, well, there are some things that do run on i386 that don't run on amd64... and sometimes there are bugs in applications that surface when you try to run them on amd64, but I think most such problems are solved. |
| 17:50.49 | alexander | i mean do you really notice a difference with amd64? |
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| 17:51.08 | alexander | is it actually much faster? |
| 17:51.09 | Blissex | NiklasH_work: thats difficult and often pointless (as in: can't work). |
| 17:51.12 | pumpkin0 | alexander: not unless you have more then 2GB RAM. |
| 17:51.18 | xingu | alexander: google turns up... http://grub.enbug.org/TestingOnEFI |
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| 17:51.52 | NiklasH_work | Blissex: aw, crap... how come? |
| 17:51.55 | Blissex | NiklasH_work: moreover what you want is not prioritize _traffic_ but _disk access_. |
| 17:52.16 | alexander | pumpkin0, so the emt extensions are only for memory? |
| 17:52.30 | alexander | xingu, thanks thats what im trying now |
| 17:52.54 | Blissex | alexander: no, for a lot of other important things like more registers; things like encryption run 2x faster on AMD64 native. But not much else. |
| 17:53.00 | Eulex | alexander, amd64 gets twice as many registers too, so with an efficient compiler you will gain some speed |
| 17:53.25 | NiklasH_work | Blissex: no, i think it's more traffic. (I could be wrong, of course :) ). The file server is also a public www/music stream server, but it runs a mythtv backend that needs to serve the frontend as well as possible. i don't think disc access is a bottleneck |
| 17:53.32 | alexander | oh, i see... |
| 17:53.42 | pumpkin0 | alexander: x86-64 make a lot more RAM possible. And gcc uses the SSE for fpu. So floating-point gets a bit faster. (switching gcc by hand to SSE under i386 does the trick too) |
| 17:54.22 | Blissex | NiklasH_work: please note that the file server cannot transmit more than one packet at a time per interface... |
| 17:54.37 | NiklasH_work | Blissex: good point... |
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| 17:55.09 | NiklasH_work | I guess a better solution would be to upgrade the lan to gigabit ethernet, then |
| 17:55.18 | ShastaMaroon | I compiled my kernel using make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image kernel_headers but now I can't find the .deb ... where does it put it? |
| 17:55.52 | dvs | ShastaMaroon: in the parent directory of the kernel source |
| 17:56.18 | resistance | anyone here experienced with dual heading the debian box |
| 17:56.26 | pumpkin0 | !anyone |
| 17:56.27 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:56.28 | ShastaMaroon | dvs ah, I see it. Should I install kernel-image or kernel-headers (both are .deb) ? |
| 17:56.34 | xingu | NiklasH_work: apt-cache show wondershaper |
| 17:56.40 | dvs | ShastaMaroon: kernel-image at least |
| 17:56.47 | ShastaMaroon | dvs what does installing the headers do? |
| 17:57.06 | dvs | ShastaMaroon: allow you to compile kernel headers |
| 17:57.12 | ShastaMaroon | fair enough. |
| 17:57.12 | dvs | ShastaMaroon: allow you to compile kernel modules |
| 17:57.19 | NiklasH_work | xingu: thanks, i was looking at that, but i don't know if it's what i need for this. i'll check it out a bit more, though. |
| 17:57.24 | xingu | NiklasH_work: it's a shellscript, but it's also a reasonable tutorial if you're going to invest the time in learning about the art (traffic marking/ fancy-queueing/ policing) |
| 17:57.24 | ShastaMaroon | I think I need them then...I'm going to have to get an nvidia driver |
| 17:57.41 | pumpkin0 | resistance: basicly: it is easy if the driver supports it and it sucks big time if you use a crappy non-free driver. |
| 17:58.27 | resistance | ok, i've configured my debian/ati 9250 for dual heading accorinding to a tuturial here:http://www.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=1773624, when i boot both screens go blank, however if i pluf one screen out, the other one works |
| 17:58.41 | xingu | NiklasH_work: IP QoS/CoS design is not a trivial thing, you need to invest some serious thinking time into it. |
| 17:59.07 | pumpkin0 | resistance: put your xorg.conf and log online in a pastebin. |
| 17:59.28 | resistance | ok |
| 17:59.33 | NiklasH_work | xingu: seems like this would be a bit too much work for a thing that would probably be solved as well by buying some new hardware |
| 17:59.57 | xingu | NiklasH_work: yes, that's precisely the tradeoff; complexity/fragility verses expense. |
| 17:59.59 | manup | I downloaded skype, unzipped and strated it. but there is an error: ./skype: error while loading shared libraries: libasound.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:00.20 | pumpkin0 | NiklasH_work: G-Ethernet => the bottleneek is the HD => again the same problem... |
| 18:00.24 | manup | libasound is installed (aptitude tells me) |
| 18:00.29 | manup | so, whats wrong? |
| 18:00.35 | secher | Why is it that when I reach for my mug, it's empty half of the time? |
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| 18:01.25 | xingu | NiklasH_work: I'd start by suggesting that the two workloads (file services, media streaming) are working at cross purposes anyway |
| 18:02.22 | xingu | NiklasH_work: the latter is isochronous; the former is bursty and scattered. |
| 18:02.25 | resistance | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.ca/296906 |
| 18:03.56 | Thms | 192.168.1.1 is down on my PC but on a wifi connected PC it is up, how to do ? |
| 18:05.02 | NiklasH_work | xingu: i guess that i would be better of with a dedicated server for the backend/files, but that's a bit expensive for me right now :) Guess i'll try upgradeing to Gb switch/NIC, and see how it goes from there. |
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| 18:06.24 | NiklasH_work | thanks for the input, everyone. it cleared up some confusion here, anyway. |
| 18:06.29 | pumpkin0 | resistance: 1. point: change the driver into "radeon". 2.point: fix your font paths. If you don't do that one of the next upgrade will leave you with the "fixed-font"-syndrome. 3: the busid seems wrong. And switch screen 0 and screen 1 (or CRT/TMDS). |
| 18:06.35 | xingu | NiklasH_work: nb, just as tc can pass hints to the IP stack, and nice to the process scheduler - "ionice" can pass hints to the IO scheduler. |
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| 18:09.42 | NiklasH_work | xingu: thanks for the tip. |
| 18:10.08 | resistance | pumpkin: 1.: i haven't tried that yet, 2: how do i fix the font paths, 3: i have a card with both heads on the same card, and i've read a few times u use the same busid |
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| 18:13.58 | resistance | pumpkin: as soon as i swap the monitor configs, the flat panel sas: video mode not suppoted. |
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| 18:17.08 | Blaksmith | hi.. trying to get cpan to install DBD::mysql, but it keeps failing saying that it can't find the mysql_config file. any suggestions? |
| 18:17.23 | Gnea | Blaksmith: why use cpan? |
| 18:17.44 | Gnea | Blaksmith: apt-get install libdbd-mysql-perl |
| 18:18.37 | Blaksmith | that will replace the perl "connection"? it's a perl program I'm trying to install that requires it |
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| 18:22.18 | CharminTheMoose | my mouse has suddenly gone all slow when scrolling down the menu in windowmaker,how do i edit that? |
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| 18:28.14 | snowbird | liable it found 80 gigs |
| 18:28.24 | snowbird | sweet u here still? |
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| 18:30.14 | Dembug | The testing and unstable releases of the AMD64 port have now been included in the official Debian archive. For the stable release the Debian-amd64 archive is hosted on amd64.debian.net. The port consists of kernels for all AMD 64bit CPUs with AMD64 extension and all Intel CPUs with EM64T extension, and a common 64bit userspace. |
| 18:30.31 | Dembug | debian-AMD64 is for EM64T too? |
| 18:30.40 | Dembug | is there any benefits other than IO/mem management? |
| 18:32.12 | Thms | 192.168.1.1 don't works on my debian :( but on the same PC when I boot windows that works, how to do ? |
| 18:32.24 | blondie | Thms: what? |
| 18:32.27 | Dembug | lol |
| 18:32.29 | blondie | Thms: please explain |
| 18:32.39 | Dembug | Thms your statement is meaningless |
| 18:32.44 | Dembug | complexify it a bit |
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| 18:33.26 | Thms | I can't acess to 192.168.1.1 :/ |
| 18:33.32 | Dembug | right |
| 18:33.36 | Dembug | from the linux box? |
| 18:33.37 | Dembug | :P |
| 18:33.39 | Thms | yes |
| 18:33.43 | Dembug | then say that :D |
| 18:33.52 | Thms | but on the same box when I boot linux that works :( |
| 18:33.54 | Dembug | could be anything |
| 18:34.04 | Thms | how to know ? |
| 18:34.04 | Dembug | what does ifconfig give? |
| 18:34.13 | Dembug | can you ping any IP's |
| 18:34.18 | Dembug | have you checked dmesg? |
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| 18:34.19 | Dembug | or lspci? |
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| 18:34.32 | Dembug | have you checked our /etc/network/interfaces file is set correctly |
| 18:34.40 | Dembug | or whether your DHCP server is issuing the box an IP |
| 18:34.44 | Dembug | all are important factors |
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| 18:34.56 | blondie | first things first... can you access other machines/the internet? :P |
| 18:34.57 | Thms | Dembug: wait I boot linux and I say you that |
| 18:35.04 | Thms | yes blondie I can |
| 18:35.04 | Dembug | thought i said that blondie ;D |
| 18:35.06 | Thms | wait |
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| 18:35.23 | Dembug | first you need to check your machine has connectivity |
| 18:35.24 | blondie | and how are you trying to access the one that doesn't work? |
| 18:35.29 | blondie | and what is the error message? |
| 18:35.30 | shafire | is there an tool to write an source server into sources.list ? |
| 18:35.40 | Dembug | assuming your not a total goik it's the linux box' config not anything else |
| 18:35.40 | Dembug | :D |
| 18:35.50 | shafire | apt-... |
| 18:35.57 | Dembug | no blondie hes trying to access his gateway from a linux box |
| 18:36.18 | blondie | Dembug: "no" what? |
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| 18:36.30 | Dembug | sorry |
| 18:36.33 | Dembug | misread what you said m8 ;\ |
| 18:36.47 | shafire | is there a tool to write a source server into the sources.list ? |
| 18:37.02 | Dembug | i hope not |
| 18:37.03 | Dembug | ;D |
| 18:37.08 | Dembug | its not difficult is it? |
| 18:37.15 | shafire | ?? |
| 18:37.22 | Dembug | pico |
| 18:37.24 | Dembug | lol |
| 18:37.44 | blondie | use vi |
| 18:37.49 | Dembug | or vim :D |
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| 18:38.37 | shafire | vi <=> vim |
| 18:38.37 | Dembug | shafire are you that scared it'll break? :D |
| 18:38.42 | shafire | why 2 tools? |
| 18:38.50 | Dembug | they not tools |
| 18:38.52 | Dembug | their editors |
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| 18:39.28 | Thms | re, so what need I to test ? |
| 18:39.38 | Deepa | can i make grub boot from a CD :)? |
| 18:39.56 | norc | Deepa: I guess it should work |
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| 18:40.07 | Dembug | should do |
| 18:40.13 | Deepa | any ideas on how i would to do make it? |
| 18:40.14 | norc | Deepa: http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/html_node/Making-a-GRUB-bootable-CD-ROM.html |
| 18:40.18 | norc | google, first hit. |
| 18:40.19 | Deepa | wrong |
| 18:40.23 | Deepa | thats making a grub bootable CD |
| 18:40.26 | Deepa | not making grub boot from a CD |
| 18:40.27 | Dembug | Deepa make sure grub supports the cd filesystem |
| 18:40.28 | Thms | blondie: what need I to check please ? |
| 18:40.28 | Dembug | heh |
| 18:40.43 | Deepa | Dembug: i think it does |
| 18:40.49 | Dembug | should be ok :D |
| 18:40.56 | Deepa | but i dont know how to setup grub :P |
| 18:41.06 | Dembug | maybe need a ramfs if its got special drivers for the cd after boot from grub |
| 18:41.06 | Dembug | heh |
| 18:41.14 | blondie | Thms: how are you trying to access it? |
| 18:41.24 | Dembug | like if its a sata board or something random :> |
| 18:41.26 | Thms | blondie: withh firefox but it is back :o |
| 18:41.31 | blondie | oh |
| 18:41.32 | Thms | thanks |
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| 18:41.37 | Thms | sorry |
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| 18:42.45 | Dembug | Deepa grub is the least of your worries |
| 18:42.45 | Dembug | hehe |
| 18:43.02 | Deepa | XD |
| 18:43.06 | Deepa | i got a 66MHz cmoputer |
| 18:43.10 | Dembug | id be more concerned how it behaved after grub 1.5 loader :> |
| 18:43.20 | Dembug | ahh |
| 18:43.44 | Dembug | use a live cd? |
| 18:43.49 | Dembug | or make your own one |
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| 18:44.08 | BrianSteffens | Deepa: 66mhz really haha.. is it a micron? ;P my first computer was a 66mhz micron |
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| 18:44.12 | Dembug | heh |
| 18:44.18 | Deepa | maybe its 166MHz |
| 18:44.19 | Dembug | mine was an 8086AT |
| 18:44.20 | Dembug | :< |
| 18:44.21 | Deepa | its a compaq presario tho |
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| 18:44.33 | blondie | Dembug: you must be ancient then! |
| 18:44.39 | Dembug | nope |
| 18:44.41 | Dembug | im 23 |
| 18:44.42 | Dembug | :D |
| 18:44.46 | blondie | ancient |
| 18:44.50 | Dembug | lol |
| 18:45.01 | Dembug | had it when i was 6 |
| 18:45.06 | Dembug | norton commander and gempaint |
| 18:45.08 | Dembug | prince of persia |
| 18:45.10 | Dembug | monochrome |
| 18:45.11 | Dembug | lawl |
| 18:45.21 | Dembug | evil times |
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| 18:45.27 | blondie | hm |
| 18:45.29 | Dembug | a colour monitor then was like golddust |
| 18:45.35 | Dembug | :< |
| 18:45.43 | blondie | orly |
| 18:45.46 | Dembug | yarly |
| 18:45.52 | blondie | I got a colour monitor in about 1989 |
| 18:45.55 | blondie | or 1990 |
| 18:45.57 | Dembug | :< |
| 18:46.04 | Dembug | i had to wait till 95 |
| 18:46.08 | blondie | lol |
| 18:46.13 | norc | I dont even have a monitor |
| 18:46.16 | Dembug | haha |
| 18:46.22 | blondie | teletype? |
| 18:46.32 | Dembug | LCD mini irc |
| 18:46.36 | Dembug | rs232C irc |
| 18:46.37 | Dembug | lawl |
| 18:46.43 | krazykit | hrm. grub splashes need to be 640x480, right? |
| 18:46.47 | blondie | I still have the dot matrix printer I got with that computer 17 years ago :P |
| 18:46.49 | blondie | and it works fine |
| 18:46.58 | blondie | I could play teletype IRC |
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| 18:47.15 | BrianSteffens | blondie: i know of a lot of dot matrix printers that still work haha, amazing how they work and the newer ones go out so fast |
| 18:47.30 | blondie | they still make cartridges for it |
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| 18:48.59 | blondie | using Windows fonts it took several minutes to print each page :( |
| 18:49.20 | xingu | um, the whole point of the PC-AT was that it had a 16bit peripheral bus; the 8086 has a one-byte wide data bus; a "8086AT" is nonsense. |
| 18:49.54 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.59 | Dembug | excuse me? :> |
| 18:50.05 | Dembug | an 8086 AT is nonsense? :> |
| 18:50.10 | Dembug | :D |
| 18:50.12 | xingu | yes |
| 18:50.13 | Dembug | lies :( |
| 18:50.17 | Dembug | was a good little box |
| 18:50.20 | xingu | the PC-AT was an 80286 |
| 18:50.21 | Dembug | *cough* |
| 18:50.24 | Deepa | in grub i used |
| 18:50.24 | BlGene | I deleted a packets config files and they won't come back if I apt-get install the packet again, what do I have to do to get the default config files? |
| 18:50.25 | Deepa | root (cd) |
| 18:50.28 | Deepa | it didnt quite work :P |
| 18:50.29 | Dembug | ahh yeah ive heard that before xingu |
| 18:50.33 | vanksi | has anyone succesfully compiled FiSH for irssi on amd64? |
| 18:50.37 | Dembug | ive always called it an 8086AT or XT |
| 18:50.47 | Dembug | if thats wrong , your probably technically right |
| 18:50.48 | xingu | XT, yes, AT, most definitely no. |
| 18:50.52 | Dembug | ahhhhh |
| 18:50.55 | Dembug | my bad |
| 18:50.57 | xingu | I upgradede from the former to the latter. :) |
| 18:50.57 | Dembug | might have been an XT |
| 18:50.59 | Dembug | :< |
| 18:51.03 | Dembug | ahh :) |
| 18:51.09 | Dembug | colour vga? |
| 18:51.10 | norc | BlGene: hold on a second. :) |
| 18:51.26 | xingu | an 8086XT would have been a hotrod, back in the day; most of them were 8088's. |
| 18:51.32 | Dembug | hehe yeah man |
| 18:51.35 | Dembug | i was only 6. |
| 18:51.41 | Dembug | noisy though :) |
| 18:51.51 | Dembug | sounds like a microwave |
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| 18:51.55 | Dembug | lol |
| 18:51.56 | xingu | heavy, too |
| 18:52.00 | blondie | grrr its blowing a gale outside |
| 18:52.04 | xingu | good old 5mm steel cases |
| 18:52.13 | Dembug | :D yeah haha dont make em like they used to |
| 18:52.24 | blondie | what, slow and crap? :P |
| 18:52.39 | Dembug | this is where i get excited and think about benching an 8086 against my new E6600's just for kicks |
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| 18:53.38 | xingu | Dembug: if you use dosbox, you can emulate it instead and save yourself the power bill |
| 18:54.03 | norc | BlGene: http://wiki.debian.org/WhereIsIt |
| 18:54.07 | norc | take a look at that page |
| 18:54.15 | Dembug | haha xingu |
| 18:54.21 | Dembug | yes i do have dosbox |
| 18:54.22 | Dembug | :D |
| 18:54.33 | Dembug | still playing my old games |
| 18:54.38 | Dembug | day of the tentacle :D |
| 18:54.53 | BlGene | norc: thanks |
| 18:54.56 | shafire | wie komme ich eine bereits existierende screen session? |
| 18:55.00 | shafire | sorry |
| 18:55.04 | mc__ | !de |
| 18:55.04 | dpkg | methinks de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
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| 18:57.31 | norc | Is wiki.debian.org official? |
| 18:57.49 | Dembug | must be |
| 18:57.56 | Dembug | debian.org control dns |
| 18:57.57 | Dembug | :O) |
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| 18:58.30 | norc | uh.. good point |
| 18:58.30 | norc | heh |
| 18:58.36 | Dembug | :-) |
| 18:58.58 | norc | btw, any suggestions for good console fonts except for proggy? |
| 18:59.28 | Dembug | ive always been happy with default ;o |
| 18:59.28 | norc | its too big |
| 18:59.28 | norc | ;) |
| 18:59.28 | Dembug | ehehe |
| 18:59.35 | norc | and unreadable |
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| 18:59.38 | shafire | how can i open a screen session with ssh and go into this session at the real pc? |
| 18:59.39 | shafire | :S |
| 18:59.46 | Dembug | easy :O |
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| 18:59.49 | Dembug | scren -S myscreen |
| 18:59.51 | Dembug | *screen |
| 18:59.56 | Dembug | screen -x myscreen |
| 18:59.57 | Dembug | :) |
| 18:59.58 | norc | shafire: info screen |
| 18:59.59 | shafire | thx |
| 19:00.02 | Dembug | np |
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| 19:00.20 | Dembug | man is your friend though |
| 19:00.21 | Dembug | :O) |
| 19:00.23 | secher | what utility was the replacement for base-config? |
| 19:00.28 | norc | Dembug: man is obsolete |
| 19:00.29 | norc | info |
| 19:00.33 | Dembug | really |
| 19:00.34 | Dembug | ;< |
| 19:00.40 | thooo | hello everybody |
| 19:00.44 | norc | gnu ;) |
| 19:00.52 | Dembug | meh :O) |
| 19:01.23 | secher | man, info and apropos are your best friends in GNU/Linux. |
| 19:01.25 | Dembug | obviously autonomy is key though and |
| 19:01.35 | JohnMS | Where does dh_make get my user info from? |
| 19:01.36 | Dembug | heh oki secher :P |
| 19:01.46 | Dembug | hmm isnt that bashrc? |
| 19:01.47 | xingu | aah, well there you go, the 8086 does have a 16bit databus after all; but nobody ever shipped one with an AT ISA bus that I know of. |
| 19:02.03 | norc | JohnMS: strace? |
| 19:02.10 | Eulex | xingu, yes, the 8086 is 8bit. |
| 19:02.41 | secher | but that does still does not answer my question, what replaced base-config? |
| 19:03.19 | Eulex | secher, afaik the new installer did ^_~ |
| 19:03.23 | xingu | Eulex: the 8088 is 8bit external, thats why it was used for the PC; it's actually a more recent part than the 8086, which had a 16bit data bus |
| 19:03.28 | JohnMS | norc: strace is a programme, I'm intrested in getting dh_make to use my proper name and e-mail address. |
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| 19:03.41 | Eulex | xingu, oh |
| 19:03.47 | xingu | Eulex: ... but cheaper to build a system around (the 8088) obviously. :) |
| 19:03.50 | enyc | Eulex: I afree with xingu |
| 19:03.51 | norc | JohnMS: You were asking where it gets it from, strace can help you |
| 19:03.58 | deadcat_ | can i specify static ip according to MAC using udhcpd? |
| 19:04.37 | enyc | xingu: probably at the time there were no fast-enough controllers to need 16bit bus ! |
| 19:04.43 | Eulex | xingu, sorry, misread you |
| 19:04.50 | secher | Eulex: understood, but if I'm running debootstrap, I need to be able to do a base-config type action, and to do that I need to know what command replaced the command 'base-config'. |
| 19:04.53 | JohnMS | norc: How would I use strace to find out where dh_make got my e-mail address from? |
| 19:04.55 | Dembug | strace is also your friend |
| 19:05.04 | Dembug | unless it floods your box in which case it is the time to use Ctrl-C :O |
| 19:05.05 | Dembug | heh |
| 19:05.22 | secher | In GNU/Linux you have lots of friends. You'll need 'em. <grin> |
| 19:05.27 | Dembug | haha |
| 19:05.33 | Dembug | ahhh...so true |
| 19:05.53 | daxxar | deadcat_, yes, let me find the syntax |
| 19:05.55 | Eulex | secher, I don't think there is any... btw, you're running debootstrap from testing/unstable if you're trying to install testing/unstable? |
| 19:06.01 | dendrite | JohnMS: strace -eopen dh_make ... -- That will tell you what files dh_make opens. |
| 19:06.08 | secher | Eulex: Yep. |
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| 19:06.11 | Dembug | hmm |
| 19:06.16 | JohnMS | Thanks. |
| 19:06.25 | Dembug | heh |
| 19:06.27 | daxxar | deadcat_, static_lease 00:00:00:00:00:00 192.168.0.1 |
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| 19:07.12 | secher | Eulex: have hyou any idea how to perform the basic configurations under under the debootstrap install? |
| 19:07.46 | Eulex | secher, sorry, I don't. except than configure it yourself... what exactly do you want to configure? |
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| 19:08.20 | norc | secher: http://kitenet.net/~joey/code/base-config.html |
| 19:08.34 | norc | doesnt look good? :) |
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| 19:08.49 | norc | I wrote and maintained it for a long time, but it's now not needed by d-i anymore, since d-i does everything in the first stage and doesn't need a second stage, so base-config has happily been obsoleted. |
| 19:08.54 | norc | ^^ ;) |
| 19:09.09 | chantra | hi there, can somebody tell me how comes /usr/bin modified date as changed even though I did not modify or install any thing? |
| 19:09.52 | norc | chantra: apt could have modified something :) |
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| 19:10.02 | chantra | but i did not run it :s |
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| 19:10.30 | chantra | could it be reloated to some filechecking? |
| 19:10.35 | deadcat_ | daxxar: thanks.. |
| 19:10.38 | chantra | the machine did not reboot though |
| 19:10.47 | DimmuR | is there any "debian-way" to install twinhan visionplus 1022a dvb-s card? |
| 19:10.50 | norc | chantra: no, opening a file doesnt change the mtime |
| 19:11.00 | chantra | yep I know |
| 19:11.03 | norc | chantra: maybe you want to run a chkrootkit |
| 19:11.13 | deadcat_ | daxxar: man page doesnt show it though |
| 19:11.13 | norc | chantra: what filesystem anyway |
| 19:11.16 | chantra | i've got aide running, it only report a change in /usr/bin |
| 19:11.17 | blondie | bang |
| 19:11.34 | chantra | not any new files |
| 19:11.56 | chantra | norc: ext3 |
| 19:12.09 | daxxar | deadcat_, version-error? does it eat the syntax? |
| 19:12.23 | blondie | my /usr/bin's mtime has changed half an hour ago, but I didn't change anything in there afaik |
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| 19:12.32 | blondie | shrug |
| 19:12.37 | norc | chantra: anything suspicious in your syslog? |
| 19:12.39 | deadcat_ | daxxar: let me try |
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| 19:12.57 | secher | Eulex: passwords, shadow passwords, user accounts, the works.. I can od it all manually except for shadow and md5 passwords, I don't know if there /has/ to be a selection made on them in order to enable the system to boot. |
| 19:12.58 | chantra | norc: I am looking through it |
| 19:13.02 | norc | ok |
| 19:13.16 | secher | norc: any ideas on the above from you? |
| 19:13.20 | norc | chantra: anything interesting in cron? |
| 19:13.22 | daxxar | deadcat_, http://udhcp.busybox.net/udhcpd.conf |
| 19:13.33 | daxxar | hmm, no static_lease there either. :o |
| 19:13.53 | norc | secher: let me see |
| 19:14.10 | deadcat_ | daxxar: i actually need to add rootpath and hostname for that MAC as well. |
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| 19:14.47 | daxxar | Not certain, I only use static_lease on my server.hjem |
| 19:15.01 | deadcat_ | o |
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| 19:15.49 | chantra | norc: some cron |
| 19:15.53 | chantra | munin and php5 |
| 19:16.07 | chantra | by why would they modify anything though ?!? |
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| 19:16.23 | norc | well, thats another question |
| 19:16.23 | Orion78 | hello, I am absolutelly desperate, I have really strange problem with tc (traffic shaping) setup, I tried to limit outgoing traffic globally (for learning purposes I have chosed 100KiB/s speed), I tried two qdiscs tbf and htb, the setup is really simple (one rule for all traffic). The problem is: with tbf I got speed 11KiB/s instead of 100KiB/s, with htb I got 480KiB/s instead of 100 KiB/s. Please help. Thank you. |
| 19:16.26 | norc | but they might be the cause |
| 19:16.29 | Orion78 | I got another computer, and on this second computer both tbf and htb works perfectly. |
| 19:16.37 | secher | norc: I think I'm ok, I created a new user while chrooted into the partition, and updated the root password, so I guess it's functional w/o making a decision on md5 and shadow. |
| 19:16.41 | norc | because nothing is started automatically except you explicitely want it |
| 19:16.53 | norc | secher: yeah |
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| 19:19.34 | anapivirtua | Hi all |
| 19:19.37 | chantra | norc: those cron service use to run, and they never changed anything |
| 19:19.38 | JohnMS | strace did not yeild the location of where it gets my e-mail address. |
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| 19:19.48 | norc | chantra: rootkit? blah |
| 19:19.53 | norc | thats my only guess, heh |
| 19:20.02 | norc | that would explain your situation at least |
| 19:20.09 | resistance | hi, i would like to write a tutorial about dial heading for debian, where is the best place to put it? |
| 19:20.18 | norc | chantra: what exact file has been changed actually? |
| 19:20.26 | norc | resistance: wiki.debian.org? |
| 19:21.16 | resistance | norc: k, thanks, is there a webdesign program liike dreamweaver for debian? |
| 19:21.17 | minerale | I'm contemplateing whether or not to prepare moving to etch -- I'm looking on the website for a listing of improvements -- I can't find a `what's new` page, anyone know if there is one? |
| 19:21.32 | manup | is there any other system monitor than conky? |
| 19:21.35 | chantra | norc: none, only the modified time of /usr/bin |
| 19:21.54 | Orion78 | Is there any htb expert around here? |
| 19:22.13 | chantra | i've checked the access, they only seemed to be some attempts with ssh and ftp, but none worked |
| 19:22.26 | chantra | running debian stable up to date |
| 19:22.30 | norc | chantra: the whole directory? |
| 19:22.44 | norc | oh wait, the directory itself |
| 19:22.45 | norc | heh |
| 19:22.55 | norc | !tell resistance about search |
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| 19:23.31 | chantra | norc: yep only the directory itself |
| 19:23.43 | norc | mhm |
| 19:23.51 | chantra | no new files |
| 19:23.51 | norc | but still |
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| 19:24.10 | norc | chantra: try chkrootkit && rkhunter |
| 19:24.21 | norc | just to make sure :) |
| 19:24.24 | chantra | Access: 2006-12-30 20:22:39.000000000 | Modify: 2006-12-27 18:08:02.000000000 | Change: 2006-12-27 18:08:02.000000000 |
| 19:24.33 | chantra | norc: okie give a try :) |
| 19:24.38 | me_here | why does it happen that when i start w3m and browse a picture file like a .gif in fb mode that all my other tty's will get cluttered with slices of that picture too ? |
| 19:24.55 | norc | chantra: oh well, did you move anything into /usr/bin |
| 19:24.57 | norc | or delete anything |
| 19:25.11 | norc | anything with a symlink pointing from /usr/bin/ |
| 19:25.16 | chantra | norc: nope, really did not change anything |
| 19:25.38 | manup | is there any other system monitor than conky? |
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| 19:26.34 | norc | manup: tormo I think |
| 19:26.38 | norc | err, torsmo |
| 19:26.40 | blondie | for monitoring what? |
| 19:27.00 | manup | norc, is it good? |
| 19:27.02 | norc | oh well.. conky is based on torsmo |
| 19:27.14 | sybec | but torsmo is no longer developed? |
| 19:27.15 | manup | blondie, for cpu, ram and net |
| 19:27.16 | JohnMS | dh_make gets my name right, but can't seem to find my license information or my E-mail address. |
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| 19:27.39 | dendrite | chantra: You might try ls -la /usr/bin > somefile.lst, then boot with a known clean boot CD, and seeing if your ls -la /usr/bin changes... |
| 19:27.40 | blondie | erm |
| 19:27.52 | HardDisk_WP | heyho |
| 19:27.55 | blondie | manup: what, as a gui or what? |
| 19:28.06 | HardDisk_WP | anyone knowing a good CD ripper with ID3tag v2 and CDDB support? |
| 19:28.09 | norc | dendrite: what should that accomplish? |
| 19:28.16 | manup | blondie, for gnome, so yes gui |
| 19:28.18 | norc | HardDisk_WP: ripperx ? :) |
| 19:28.26 | blondie | manup: gkrellm? |
| 19:28.28 | dendrite | norc: It's entirely possible for a root kit to completely conceal it's existence on a file system. |
| 19:28.43 | benkong2 | hey all funny thing happened in my Debian Etch install. |
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| 19:28.46 | dendrite | norc: So, booting from a media that doesn't load the root kit would allow you to search for it... |
| 19:28.48 | manup | blondie, ill try |
| 19:28.49 | chantra | norc: dendrite okie, running chkrootkit, gtg now, catch u later |
| 19:28.51 | minerale | I'm contemplateing whether or not to prepare moving to etch -- I'm looking on the website for a listing of improvements -- I can't find a `what's new` page, anyone know if there is one? |
| 19:28.59 | norc | dendrite: lets suppose its in the filesystem itself |
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| 19:29.09 | CHodapp | main improvements I cared about is the versions of software |
| 19:29.11 | norc | would that be possible? |
| 19:29.17 | shafire | we are looking for Forum-Moderators, who speaks any languages. |
| 19:29.18 | norc | chantra: will take 1-3 minutes |
| 19:29.20 | shafire | is this good english? |
| 19:29.24 | blondie | shafire: no |
| 19:29.27 | shafire | :S |
| 19:29.35 | shafire | who is speaking? |
| 19:29.47 | blondie | "we are looking for Forum Moderators who speak any language" |
| 19:29.49 | benkong2 | I have in my fstab /dev/hda2 /share ext3 users,rw,exec,suid,dev 0 2. When I try to create a directory I get a permission denied error. What am I doing incorrect? |
| 19:30.03 | shafire | thx |
| 19:30.06 | CHodapp | "any language" is pretty broad |
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| 19:30.30 | benkong2 | a mount command shows /dev/hda2 on /share type ext3 (rw) |
| 19:30.39 | blondie | CHodapp: it's correct English though :P |
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| 19:30.52 | snowbird | cant ge x to load |
| 19:30.57 | CHodapp | grammatically correct, yes... |
| 19:30.58 | blondie | benkong2: as root? |
| 19:31.05 | sybec | benkong2: what happens if root tries to create a dir on /share ? |
| 19:31.13 | benkong2 | blondie; no as a normal user |
| 19:31.23 | benkong2 | sybec; didn't try |
| 19:31.25 | benkong2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.26 | blondie | benkong2: and what about as root? check the permissions on /share |
| 19:31.56 | blondie | if it's rwxr-xr-x it won't be writable by users :) |
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| 19:32.11 | sybec | blondie: depends |
| 19:32.14 | benkong2 | blondie; gives a drwxr-xr-x root:root |
| 19:32.18 | snowbird | kk on debian can u use pci usb card? |
| 19:32.25 | sybec | root:root |
| 19:32.35 | benkong2 | root root user and group |
| 19:32.36 | blondie | well ok |
| 19:32.43 | blondie | benkong2: who do you want to be able to write |
| 19:32.53 | benkong2 | the standard user |
| 19:32.59 | sybec | heh |
| 19:33.01 | blondie | you mean all users? |
| 19:33.09 | benkong2 | blondie; yes all users |
| 19:33.14 | blondie | if so, chmod a+w /share |
| 19:33.24 | JohnMS | Should I not use dh_make to make a deb package for my programme? |
| 19:34.00 | norc | JohnMS: dpkg-buildpackage maybe? |
| 19:34.01 | Thms | how to make firefox using my USB headphones because actually it uses my soundcard and I don'( want that :( |
| 19:34.01 | norc | *shrugs* |
| 19:34.09 | benkong2 | blondie; ok did that let me reboot and see if it works |
| 19:34.16 | blondie | you dont need to reboot |
| 19:34.19 | sybec | wtf wait |
| 19:34.24 | benkong2 | still says root is the owner and group |
| 19:34.28 | benkong2 | do a mount -a |
| 19:34.29 | blondie | that's correct |
| 19:34.34 | sybec | that's not going to change |
| 19:34.39 | blondie | just try creating the directory again |
| 19:34.42 | JohnMS | norc: that's what I had to install to get dh_make |
| 19:34.48 | blondie | chmod changes permissions not owne |
| 19:34.50 | blondie | +r |
| 19:34.59 | JohnMS | I'm following the guide from The Debian System by Martin F. Krafft |
| 19:35.12 | benkong2 | blondie; ok that worked |
| 19:35.23 | benkong2 | now is my fstab entry correct |
| 19:35.32 | blondie | benkong2: you should only linux reboot if you update the kernel or hardware ;) |
| 19:35.38 | blondie | erm |
| 19:35.39 | sybec | benkong2: "users" allows normal users to mount/unmount not give them write permissions |
| 19:35.41 | blondie | "reboot linux" |
| 19:36.05 | benkong2 | blondie; sybec; ok thanks |
| 19:36.20 | benkong2 | now my second oddity |
| 19:37.36 | benkong2 | can I do a resume2=/dev/hda3<my swap> in menu.lst to make suspend work? |
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| 19:38.45 | defi__3x | Anybody know what problems I would have sharing /home and loggin in on two seperate pc's |
| 19:39.00 | blondie | no idea about using suspend |
| 19:39.01 | benkong2 | never mind menu.lst gives an example thanks |
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| 19:39.34 | blondie | defi__3x: it's quite common to share the disk with /home on using NFS to several *nix machines |
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| 19:39.43 | capiira | any dmcrypt+lvm crack here? |
| 19:39.55 | Eulex | benkong2, resume2 = suspend2 = requires patching of the kernel |
| 19:40.00 | defi__3x | blondie: but what if the same user logs in on two machines |
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| 19:40.16 | benkong2 | Eulex; ok thanks |
| 19:40.18 | blondie | defi__3x: it's no different to them logging in to the same machine twice |
| 19:40.23 | benkong2 | no kernel patching here |
| 19:40.28 | defi__3x | would lockfiles and things of that nature prevent them from using apps, ie firefox |
| 19:40.52 | blondie | not sure |
| 19:40.59 | blondie | some programs use a per-machien lockfile |
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| 19:41.01 | blondie | erm |
| 19:41.01 | defi__3x | blondie I should try it hugh |
| 19:41.05 | blondie | sure |
| 19:41.09 | defi__3x | lol |
| 19:41.14 | defi__3x | then work out problems |
| 19:41.22 | benkong2 | Eulex; I did a resume=/dev/hda4 |
| 19:42.47 | snowbird | i am in gnome when i go to install kde it asks for cd |
| 19:42.55 | snowbird | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:43.06 | blondie | snowbird: pastebin your sources.list please |
| 19:43.28 | snowbird | kk blondie |
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| 19:43.39 | snowbird | have to reeboot |
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| 19:44.55 | benkong2 | Since Debian does not install FF 2.0, but I like ff 2.0 is this a good way to install? http://kylehamar.blogspot.com/2006/10/how-to-install-firefox-2-in-debian.html |
| 19:45.08 | zinx | install iceweasel |
| 19:45.28 | rsk | benkong2: iceweasel 2.0 is in debian sid |
| 19:45.33 | benkong2 | zinx; I checked synaptic no iceweasel there? |
| 19:45.42 | blondie | zinx: iceweasel is only in unstable |
| 19:45.44 | rsk | not in etch or stable |
| 19:45.45 | benkong2 | I am in Etch |
| 19:45.50 | Eulex | benkong2, the official firefox linux builds are crap |
| 19:45.54 | zinx | sucks for him then :D |
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| 19:46.08 | benkong2 | aw rats |
| 19:46.09 | zinx | i wouldn't install any non-packaged versions |
| 19:46.16 | zinx | you'll end up crudding up your system |
| 19:46.30 | odla | benkong2: just be patient ff 2.0 will be in etch soon as iceweasel |
| 19:46.33 | zinx | there may be packages on something on apt-get.org |
| 19:46.34 | Eulex | it's probably possible to install iceweasel (= firefox 2) from unstable, though |
| 19:46.42 | Eulex | odla, no, it probably won't be... |
| 19:46.57 | odla | iceweasel will make etch it has to |
| 19:47.13 | odla | debian can't ship firefox in it's present form |
| 19:47.13 | Eulex | odla, http://q-funk.blogspot.com/2006/12/life-after-etch.html |
| 19:48.44 | odla | just because etch is frozen doesn't mean that iceweasel can't make it to etch |
| 19:49.06 | Eulex | odla, you did read that post, right? |
| 19:49.17 | odla | Eulex: yes from a dd that doesn't maintain firefox |
| 19:49.22 | Thms | how to make firefox using my USB headphones because actually it uses my soundcard and I don'( want that :( |
| 19:49.25 | Eulex | odla, true |
| 19:49.44 | odla | Eulex: have you seen the bug report opened by mozilla? |
| 19:50.14 | Eulex | odla, I have |
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| 19:50.39 | Eulex | benkong2, I just installed iceweasel on etch and it went very smoothly... |
| 19:50.42 | benkong2 | gheeche; I am disappointed |
| 19:50.44 | snowbird | blondie |
| 19:50.53 | snowbird | there savior farie ftp |
| 19:51.07 | snowbird | wont em cut and pasted here? |
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| 19:51.08 | benkong2 | do I need to ammend my sources.lst? Are ff plugins compatiable? |
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| 19:51.30 | blondie | erm |
| 19:51.33 | blondie | what? |
| 19:51.39 | Assid | heya |
| 19:51.47 | snowbird | dont got kde not used to gnome |
| 19:52.00 | snowbird | wont install off ftp ask for disk 3 |
| 19:52.11 | Eulex | benkong2 (1) yes (and you also need to modify /etc/apt/preferences) (2) I think so |
| 19:52.17 | Assid | can someone help me with something.. i ran mk2fs with -c .. and i got this in the output : Checking for bad blocks (read-only test): done 152 |
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| 19:52.24 | Assid | can someone tell me whats that 152 signify exactly |
| 19:52.42 | snowbird | modify sorces to what? |
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| 19:52.48 | me_here | bad blocks = 152 blocks bad |
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| 19:53.06 | benkong2 | Eulex; checking |
| 19:53.12 | me_here | since it's mounted it can't be repaired |
| 19:53.23 | Assid | err.. but its not mounted |
| 19:53.28 | me_here | if you don't use the force option, but thats dangerous |
| 19:53.32 | me_here | err |
| 19:53.35 | me_here | not mounted ? |
| 19:53.38 | Eulex | benkong2, oh, /etc/apt/apt.conf, I mean |
| 19:53.44 | Assid | anwaysy.. i thought the same thing.. so i tried with another drive |
| 19:53.49 | me_here | then do a -p option to repair |
| 19:54.07 | Eulex | benkong2, you need to add something like APT::Default-Release "testing"; to prevent your debian from upgrading to unstable next time you upgrade/dist-upgrade |
| 19:54.11 | Assid | me_here: http://pastebin.ca/296976 |
| 19:54.29 | Eulex | benkong2, then you'll need to add apt sources for unstable to your sources.list |
| 19:54.29 | Assid | thats with another drive and i got the same 152 again .. but this time i ran -c -c |
| 19:54.29 | benkong2 | Eulex; googling now for pinning apt |
| 19:54.58 | Eulex | benkong2, adding PT::Default-Release "testing"; to apt.conf is enough, you don't need no apt-pinning |
| 19:55.02 | Eulex | *APT |
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| 19:55.18 | benkong2 | Eulex; ok thanks |
| 19:55.45 | Eulex | bleh... firefox2 uses custom widgets... can't they just use pure gtk2 widgets? |
| 19:55.45 | me_here | it's already repaired Assid |
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| 19:56.02 | me_here | try it a second time, it will tell you no bad blocks |
| 19:56.12 | me_here | that way you can be sure |
| 19:56.21 | Assid | me_here: its a brand new drive.. just got it from WD |
| 19:56.42 | me_here | Assid: it has nothing todo with the drive itself, it's the filesystem on it |
| 19:56.49 | Assid | oh.. |
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| 19:57.01 | Assid | damn.. i tolkd that guy the drive is bad.. and we gotta rma it |
| 19:57.04 | snowbird | how do i eddit my sorces? |
| 19:57.07 | me_here | lol |
| 19:57.13 | Assid | thats why he got me another drive to play with |
| 19:57.17 | me_here | i don't think your drive is booboo |
| 19:57.18 | secher | I installed the linux kernel in a chrooted directory. it complained about udev not starting. Do I need to do anything special to configure udev before I reboot the system into the new debootstrapped partition? |
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| 19:57.26 | benkong2 | Eulex; Only apt.conf I have is in doc/examples |
| 19:57.27 | me_here | lol |
| 19:57.32 | Assid | okay so let me tell him not to send it back |
| 19:57.47 | Assid | im such an idiot.. shoulda come here from day 1 |
| 19:58.02 | norc | is there any application that prints the content of the clipboard in x to stdout? |
| 19:58.03 | me_here | try if it works well for you, if you can't complain all is well |
| 19:58.18 | secher | Assid: uninformed != idiot. Not to worry. |
| 19:58.42 | me_here | nope no worry, i am the idiot non else |
| 19:58.45 | me_here | lol |
| 19:58.54 | Eulex | benkong2, create on in /etc/apt/ |
| 19:58.57 | Eulex | *one |
| 19:59.07 | benkong2 | Eulex; k |
| 19:59.08 | me_here | could have saved me some trouble with a faster machine |
| 19:59.12 | me_here | bah |
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| 19:59.37 | snowbird | any one knoe how to get kde in etch? |
| 19:59.55 | Assid | you mean no apt-get install kde ? |
| 20:00.13 | snowbird | tried that asked for cd3 |
| 20:00.20 | snowbird | i ftp installed |
| 20:01.22 | Eulex | snowbird, setup your apt sources correctly |
| 20:01.32 | snowbird | how |
| 20:01.34 | Assid | oh great |
| 20:01.48 | Assid | something is happening on that macjhine cause i rebooted and no one in the office to tell me what it is |
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| 20:02.36 | Assid | i hope its a simple fsck |
| 20:02.52 | snowbird | kk edit sorced hmm |
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| 20:03.46 | alexander | I bought a macbook yesterday, and before putting linux in there I thought I would give OSX a try to see what all the fuss was about, and I must say it really isnt very good, doesnt look as nice as beryl, not as efficient either and less theming options than windows with no addons |
| 20:04.37 | alexander | i must hand it to that steve whatever-his-name is, hes created the best computer religion now! |
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| 20:05.10 | diskus | well beryl is alpha, macos x is release |
| 20:05.35 | benkong2 | ok cool |
| 20:05.38 | alexander | yes, still |
| 20:06.01 | diskus | and to get macos x work you don't have to do anything :P |
| 20:06.03 | benkong2 | I seem to rmember that there is a way to make apt also install the recommended packages. Is that trur? |
| 20:06.17 | snowbird | got it |
| 20:06.26 | snowbird | took cds o f snaptic |
| 20:07.06 | alexander | diskus, define "work"... doesnt have many apps installed, while most linux distros have most everything you need out of the box |
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| 20:07.41 | me_here | -20 if you are root, +20 any other user |
| 20:07.44 | me_here | ups |
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| 20:12.01 | hunger__ | hello all |
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| 20:13.52 | sybec | hello one |
| 20:13.52 | huhlig | does anyone know if the current stable version of thttpd has php support |
| 20:16.02 | sybec | huhlig: Yes. |
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| 20:16.33 | benkong2 | Eulex; still here? |
| 20:16.44 | huhlig | sybec, hmm ok |
| 20:16.47 | secher | Ok, I want to make sure I'm not completely screwing the pooch here. I've built, as far as I can tell, a successful debootstrap partition in my remote server. there are 3 partitions, /dev/sda1,2 and 5. sda5 was the swap which will now be hte boot partition. |
| 20:17.08 | huhlig | sybec, cool, now to see if I can make it replace apache without an issue |
| 20:17.13 | perlmonk | Hey everyone, we have a big wireless network (200 computers connected) but from times to times the network is having issues (especialy on latency). We think it's due to one or more machines that get connected. The question is: is there a software that would analyse the network quality and keep track of which computer is connected and when, retrace all this statisticaly and tell us that the network gets bad when machine x and y are connected or I will hav |
| 20:17.13 | perlmonk | e to program it myself ? |
| 20:17.46 | benkong2 | I added the APT: <blah> to apt.conf added testing and unstable to sources.lst and now auto update wants to give me 165 updates |
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| 20:17.58 | shafire | wo finde ich die smbpasswd ?? |
| 20:18.03 | shafire | wo finde ich die smbpasswd config file? |
| 20:18.07 | perlmonk | !de |
| 20:18.07 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, de is deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de (auf irc.oftc.net und irc.freenode.net) - German speaking users please go to #debian.de (on irc.oftc.net and freenode) |
| 20:18.08 | shafire | sorry |
| 20:18.08 | shafire | :( |
| 20:18.16 | shafire | i forgot it every time... |
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| 20:18.30 | shafire | where can i find the samba passwd file? |
| 20:18.31 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: wireshark/ethereal and a lot of filters ... |
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| 20:18.46 | secher | in grub's menu.lst, on the root line is the argument hd (0,0) . If I will be now booting from the third partition /dev/sda5, what should the root line say now? Am I correct in having it hd(0,2)? |
| 20:19.07 | perlmonk | pumpkin0, they would check all ip addresses connected and generate stats on a week ? |
| 20:19.25 | secher | sorry, (hd0,0) |
| 20:19.29 | n3kl_ | Why is john the ripper not in apt? |
| 20:19.45 | perlmonk | didn't know ethereal was able to do this... |
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| 20:20.02 | Eulex | benkong2, yep |
| 20:20.13 | sybec | perlmonk: it is. |
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| 20:20.32 | perlmonk | hum, ok, I will have a look at this so :) |
| 20:20.34 | perlmonk | thanks guys |
| 20:20.44 | liran_ | secher: you should change the root device to the root partition, "booting from" sounds to me like you have a boot partition. |
| 20:20.45 | benkong2 | Eulex; its safe then huh? |
| 20:20.47 | shafire | where can i find the samba passwd file? |
| 20:21.06 | real | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.23 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: you could also run nmap every X min and plot that. But nmap is a active scanner ... more network load. |
| 20:21.27 | liran_ | shafire: /etc/samba/smbpasswd |
| 20:21.29 | benkong2 | well maybe not safe but I'll give it a try |
| 20:21.31 | blondie | real: if you have to ask how, maybe you shouldn't |
| 20:21.32 | secher | liran_: true enough. there is a boot partition in the old install, but in the new install it is simply a directory atm. |
| 20:21.37 | Eulex | benkong2, wait |
| 20:21.41 | pumpkin0 | real: sid is unsupported. A´your are on your own. |
| 20:21.46 | benkong2 | funny thinf FF 2.0 is listed as one of the updates |
| 20:21.50 | benkong2 | wait???? |
| 20:21.51 | perlmonk | I was more thinking about pinging all ips... |
| 20:21.59 | perlmonk | to check which machine is on |
| 20:22.10 | liran_ | secher: wherever the / partition is thats where that root directive should point to. |
| 20:22.16 | perlmonk | and compare that information to the network quality |
| 20:22.20 | secher | real: no, burn the images, do yoruself a favor. |
| 20:22.21 | pumpkin0 | perlmonk: nmap or boardcast pings. Depends on the clients. |
| 20:22.24 | Eulex | benkong2, check for example apt-cache policy gnome to see that it has the testing version as candidate instead of the unstable one. |
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| 20:22.46 | shafire | i can't find it |
| 20:22.47 | shafire | ... |
| 20:22.56 | liran_ | shafire: check in /usr/local/samba |
| 20:23.09 | liran_ | shafire: if you still can't find it run updatedb and locate smbpasswd |
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| 20:23.54 | real | i was just curious. i remembered reading somewhere that we need not burn the cds. |
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| 20:24.18 | secher | liran_: I understand that, I'm asking about the root line in the menu.lst. If I'm booting from the /boot directory on the third partition ( /dev/sd5 ), what should the root line in menu.lst be? i.e. does grub recognize /dev/sdx nomenclature or does it simply compare partitions vs the root line argument? |
| 20:24.19 | blondie | well I don't know about sid, but etch and sarge can be installed over the network |
| 20:24.35 | huhlig | sybec, do you use thttpd? |
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| 20:24.46 | pumpkin0 | real: that is true. If you want to use sid you should be able to finger out the trick yourself. |
| 20:25.02 | LLcoolM | hi, how can i configure the java plugin for firefox? |
| 20:25.05 | real | which is .. |
| 20:25.18 | LLcoolM | the symlink in the plugins folder seems to point to a dead-end |
| 20:25.44 | gnat_x | hey folks, i'm using etch on a thinkpad t20. i have a pcmcia wireless card that i installed, i used ndiswrapper, and all that looks like it works. iwlist scan lists available networks, but i don't know what i need to do to get on a network. |
| 20:25.47 | sybec | huhlig: No. |
| 20:25.56 | secher | real: you dont' /need/ to burn the DVDs, you can do it several ways, but hte most straightofrward is to burn the damned things. Otherwise, google for net install or debootstrap ( what I'm doing now ), or read the install guide. |
| 20:26.01 | benkong2 | Eulex; strangely enough it lists gnome: installed (none) Candidate 1:2:.14.3.4 available from unstable and testing. |
| 20:26.14 | snowbird | no sond sound divice cant be opened? change card? |
| 20:26.19 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: does iwconfig show the card and the AP-MAC ? |
| 20:26.21 | huhlig | sybec, foo, I just tried setting the php pattern and it doesnt reckognise it, are you sure the version in mipsel stable has php support? |
| 20:26.46 | benkong2 | Eulex; the same command for firefox shows FF 2.0 comming from unstable |
| 20:26.58 | sybec | I didn't say it has PHP support. I simply answered your question. |
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| 20:27.10 | snowbird | got kde |
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| 20:27.27 | huhlig | sybec, the origional question was, does anyone know if the current debian stable version of thttpd has php support |
| 20:27.33 | huhlig | how does that answer it |
| 20:27.35 | sybec | Yes. |
| 20:27.57 | pumpkin0 | huhlig: yes, there is somebody that knows if thttpd has ... see ? |
| 20:27.59 | blondie | huhlig: that's a "yes" or "no" question... about whether anyone knows or not. |
| 20:28.05 | sybec | Acutally it was:does anyone know if the current stable version of thttpd has php support |
| 20:28.12 | real | secher: but the problem is i have downloaded the dvd images. i can also boot a basic system. can i use these images i downloaded instead downloadiung the packages again? |
| 20:28.22 | benkong2 | Eulex; At the very top of the example apt.conf file I places APT::Default-Release "testing" |
| 20:28.41 | sybec | huhlig: pumpkin0 and blondie explained |
| 20:28.44 | huhlig | pumpkin0, blondie: ahh, he was being a smartass |
| 20:28.46 | secher | Ok, last time I'll ask so I dont' spam the channel. If I'm booting from the 3rd partition on a drive, which is /dev/sda5, should grub's menu.lst read root (hd0,2) or hd(0,5)? |
| 20:28.48 | huhlig | good to know |
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| 20:28.56 | blondie | huhlig: he was answering the question you asked |
| 20:28.57 | pumpkin0 | !tell huhlig about anyone |
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| 20:29.03 | blondie | !smart questions |
| 20:29.04 | dpkg | Go here to find out how to ask intelligent questions: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html - Be sure to look at the section http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#before - This FAQ has information to help many users solve their own problem more effectively and to help users interact more effectively with computer experts. |
| 20:29.25 | benkong2 | ok thanks |
| 20:29.42 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: http://pastebin.com/848028 <-- output of iwconfig |
| 20:29.55 | secher | real: if you have booted a basic system, and you ahve the DVD images on the drive do a 'mount -o loop /path/to/images /mount/point' and point apt.sources to the image |
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| 20:30.26 | real | ok thanks |
| 20:30.46 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: your WLAN is encrypted ? |
| 20:31.00 | gnat_x | gnat_x: yeah. |
| 20:31.06 | secher | real: I don't know if your client did a crlf like mine did, but ther's a space bwtween images and /mount |
| 20:31.10 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: WEP or WPA ? |
| 20:31.49 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: WEP (i'm pretty sure) |
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| 20:32.40 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: you are sure about the key ? good, run iwconfig wlan0 key YOUR-KEY-HERE |
| 20:32.46 | secher | Ok, since I'm not getting an answer, I'm going ot go with root (hd0,2) and sacrifice a chicken to my SCSI chain to appease the GNU/Linux gods in the hopes they have covered my arse. |
| 20:33.05 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: i'll give it a shot. |
| 20:33.07 | Eulex | benkong2, don't forget the ; at the end of that line. what candidate does it say that firefox has? |
| 20:34.14 | me_here | mc² ?? |
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| 20:34.43 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: there was no output, does that mean it worked? |
| 20:34.50 | Vyrus001_ | anybody know why the 17-2-686 headers arnt showing up in etch? |
| 20:34.58 | Vyrus001_ | i apt search them and get nothing |
| 20:35.20 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: rerun iwconfig. Does it now have a essid ? |
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| 20:35.50 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: Access Point: Not-Associated |
| 20:35.59 | benkong2 | Eulex; unstable. oh oh I missed the ; |
| 20:36.06 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: should i try restarting my networking? |
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| 20:36.31 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: wrong key or it is WPA ... doublecheck the key. (no, restarting resets the key) |
| 20:36.31 | QuirkyCarla | what's with the porn pm's |
| 20:36.39 | blondie | spambots |
| 20:36.45 | jman_ | i dunno QuirkyCarla people are retarded and desperate |
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| 20:36.58 | QuirkyCarla | lol |
| 20:37.01 | snowbird | yeah iam retrted |
| 20:37.13 | snowbird | cant spell or type good |
| 20:37.13 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: cool. i'll look into that more. if i get the right things, can i add it to me /etc/network/interfaces? |
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| 20:37.27 | snowbird | 1.8 gig 512 80 gig etch box |
| 20:37.31 | pumpkin0 | gnat_x: sure. man interfaces has an example. |
| 20:37.52 | gnat_x | pumpkin0: awesome. i'll give it a shot. be back if i can't get any results. |
| 20:38.06 | gnat_x | thanks for the help! |
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| 20:39.34 | Eulex | benkong2, right. if you had gone ahead and upgraded there you would have upgraded to unstable. |
| 20:39.43 | lindenle|home | Anyone here know what the available variables bloot bot knows are? |
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| 20:40.47 | capiira | so a dm-crypt + lvm master here now? |
| 20:40.56 | benkong2 | Eulex; whew |
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| 20:41.06 | benkong2 | good catch thanks again |
| 20:41.08 | real | secher: i understood.. |
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| 20:43.27 | MatBoy | does someone know a groupware suite that can verify the user-account using a DB and let the user login to the right mailserver ? |
| 20:43.53 | MatBoy | Squirrelmail has it, I know that... but most groupware suites don;t I have the feeling |
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| 20:46.25 | cr3 | packaging questions: how can lintian return a no-template-description error when I do have a _Description: field :( |
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| 20:47.21 | Vyrus001_ | why are there no headers for 2.6.17-2-686 in etch ? |
| 20:47.33 | Eulex | 2.6.17 is deprecated |
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| 20:47.59 | Vyrus001 | Eulex yea but i still need 17 headers... and i cant find them eather |
| 20:48.06 | Eulex | !sdn |
| 20:48.06 | Vyrus001 | i just see .18 in the etch sources |
| 20:48.06 | dpkg | i heard sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 20:48.22 | Eulex | Vyrus001, but you should still get 2.6.18 |
| 20:48.34 | Vyrus001 | u mean i should just upgrade the kernel :D |
| 20:48.36 | Vyrus001 | right :D |
| 20:48.52 | GNUtoo | hello is there any config file for configuring the network in debian? |
| 20:49.15 | pumpkin0 | GNUtoo: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:49.33 | GNUtoo | and how do you setup a bridge? |
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| 20:50.38 | maher | anyone successfully using isync to sync different remote imap accounts locally? wanna send me a sample .isyncrc? |
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| 20:50.59 | jeeves_Moss | all: can anyone here help me write a script to combine some files? |
| 20:51.19 | mc__ | jeeves_Moss: cat * >> foo |
| 20:51.32 | mc__ | jeeves_Moss: that would combine all files in the current directory into foo |
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| 20:52.08 | jeeves_Moss | mc__: I'm trying to combine the differne't output files from Kismet to use the map software. |
| 20:52.30 | h3sp4wn | GNUtoo: zless /usr/share/doc/bridge-utils/README.Debian.gz (you need bridge utils installed) |
| 20:52.45 | h3sp4wn | GNUtoo: That explains how it hooks into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:53.00 | GNUtoo | thanks |
| 20:53.15 | mc__ | jeeves_Moss: tail -f outputfile >> combined file |
| 20:53.33 | mc__ | jeeves_Moss: do that for all output files |
| 20:53.33 | minerale | I'm contemplating whether or not to prepare moving to etch -- I'm looking on the website for a listing of improvements -- I can't find a `what's new` page, anyone know if there is one? |
| 20:53.50 | mc__ | minerale: ehm,all packages are newer? |
| 20:54.01 | jeeves_Moss | mc__: do you know about the mapping software that comes with Kismet? |
| 20:54.02 | mc__ | !info kde stable |
| 20:54.06 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:44 (sarge), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 20:54.10 | mc__ | !info kde testing |
| 20:54.18 | dpkg | kde: (the K Desktop Environment official modules), section kde, is optional. Version: 5:47 (etch), Packaged size: 7 kB, Installed size: 40 kB |
| 20:54.30 | mc__ | jeeves_Moss: nope |
| 20:54.43 | mc__ | minerale: and Etch has an graphical Installer |
| 20:54.51 | chantra | norc: dendrite still here? |
| 20:55.01 | mc__ | minerale: if you use debian as your desktop it's probably a good idea to upgrade |
| 20:55.23 | maher | minerale: you will want to move to etch at some point as security support for sarge will eventually stop - if you don't need anything form etch just wait... |
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| 20:55.44 | norc | chantra |
| 20:55.44 | norc | yes |
| 20:55.45 | chantra | well ,concerning to my troubles (/usr/bin modified time changed even though nothing was modified from my side) |
| 20:56.00 | Assid | i think what.. it should be stable mid feb? |
| 20:56.04 | norc | any rootkits? |
| 20:56.05 | snowbird | etch rocks |
| 20:56.08 | chantra | I tried chkrootkit (but if the box has been hacked, it is too late I guess) |
| 20:56.27 | chantra | so what I'm doing now, I've mounted through ssh my remote / |
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| 20:56.38 | chantra | and I'm running chkrootkit from there |
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| 20:57.13 | chantra | but to be honest, I'm quite puzzled how comes a directory modified time changed? |
| 20:57.22 | snowbird | etch cant read pci usb card grr |
| 20:57.30 | KhanReaper | How do I extract the distribution changes from a Debian package? Suppose I am going to perform an 'apt-get upgrade;' I would like to know what changes have been done. |
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| 20:58.26 | blondie | snowbird: can't it? |
| 20:58.52 | snowbird | if i plug mouse there it wount gui boot |
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| 20:59.15 | snowbird | usb 1 |
| 20:59.20 | blondie | it won't gui boot? |
| 20:59.30 | blondie | you mean X wont start? |
| 20:59.31 | snowbird | right till i move mouse |
| 20:59.40 | snowbird | of that card |
| 20:59.53 | snowbird | right if i use mouse omb i boot fine |
| 21:00.00 | snowbird | on pc i boot text |
| 21:00.09 | maher | KhanReaper: apt-listchanges? |
| 21:00.32 | snowbird | sound device won't open |
| 21:00.45 | blondie | wtf? |
| 21:00.55 | norc | snowbird: proper rights |
| 21:00.56 | norc | ? |
| 21:01.19 | snowbird | yeah proper rights |
| 21:02.29 | norc | snowbird: you in the audio group? |
| 21:02.36 | chantra | norc: shame on me, I've actually installed a package :s but it was lost into my IDS report :p |
| 21:02.47 | secher | Well, that failed spectacularly. Now I either get to drive 6 hours or pay someone 200 bucks to spend fifteen minutes rebuild the system. :-( |
| 21:03.08 | chantra | I did install this in a hurry, could not remember it :s |
| 21:03.41 | secher | See you all. Peace. |
| 21:03.43 | chantra | btw, does debian stable support /var/log/dpkg.log? |
| 21:03.50 | snowbird | yeah |
| 21:04.12 | snowbird | norc maybe its card |
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| 21:10.20 | snowbird | brb |
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| 21:14.00 | odab | hi |
| 21:14.12 | odab | are any printer pros around? |
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| 21:15.07 | karsten | !tell odab about ask |
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| 21:21.49 | ubra | if debian testing is for latest software, what is sid? or is that an older release name? |
| 21:22.22 | mc__ | ubra: sid is the development version of debian |
| 21:22.28 | karsten | ubra: Read: http://www.debian.org/releases/ |
| 21:22.50 | ubra | ok thanks ill read it |
| 21:23.37 | maher | bah - whay should i use to backup a remote imap server using the imap protocol? |
| 21:23.58 | karsten | maher: fetchmail? |
| 21:24.01 | karsten | maher: What's your goal? |
| 21:24.13 | karsten | maher: You could also simply rsync the spool. |
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| 21:24.37 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 21:24.38 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 21:25.33 | maher | karsten: i'm trying to backup someone's email - i don't have shell access to the imap server - i'm failing to use isync - maybe I'll try fetchmail.... |
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| 21:26.18 | karsten | maher: fetchmail: proto imap (or imaps) user <username> pass <password> is <localuser> here leave |
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| 21:26.42 | karsten | maher: ... I think. It's a somewhat freeform syntax. "leave" leaves copy of mail on server. |
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| 21:27.37 | maher | karsten: isync is so close but i don't understand how to map the command line options ot the .isynrc file... |
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| 21:28.53 | benkong2 | brb in my new Etch xchat session |
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| 21:30.00 | splattnik | hi, im having these problems with ttf-opensymbol, im trying to install openoffice and it gives me this;"fc-cache: symbol lookup error: fc-cache: undefined symbol: FcDirCacheLoad" is there any solution on this? running testing btw. |
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| 21:33.15 | Thms | !paste |
| 21:33.15 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 21:35.46 | maher | karsten: does fetchmail need a local mta? |
| 21:35.51 | tarzeau | abrotman: hey look, this is TEH ambient radiance illuminator device: http://gnu.ethz.ch/vgalamp/ |
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| 21:36.04 | tuv | so how long would it take the kernel patch to hit etch? |
| 21:36.26 | CharminTheMoose | what does sarge use devfs or udev? |
| 21:36.54 | tuv | maher, no. it needs a mda |
| 21:37.30 | stoned | hi karsten |
| 21:37.35 | maher | tuv: i just want to make a backup in some random directory.... i only have ssmtp on the box... |
| 21:37.51 | stoned | karsten, http://laptop.letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/cart2.jpg << what do you think about this? |
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| 21:39.39 | tuv | maher, fetchmail can't write to disk. you need an mda to write mail to disk, e.g. maildrop. if ssmtp can do that then use it, but i suspect it can |
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| 21:40.44 | tuv | maher, or just use getmail4. it fetches and writes mail to disk on its own |
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| 21:42.14 | maher | tuv: thanks - i'll try that |
| 21:43.04 | CharminTheMoose | !test |
| 21:43.04 | dpkg | Test Failed. |
| 21:44.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: ? |
| 21:44.18 | abrotman | tuv: is it fixed ? |
| 21:45.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you see our light computer? |
| 21:45.07 | tuv | abrotman, there is a patch for 2.6.20 and 2.6.19: http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/12/29/44 |
| 21:45.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: and the video of what it does? |
| 21:45.16 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm watching |
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| 21:47.51 | abrotman | tuv: did you tack on to your bug ? |
| 21:47.54 | tuv | abrotman, down that thread Linuz attacks the filesystem camp: no filesystem is good enough |
| 21:48.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 21:48.39 | tuv | abrotman, well after samba broke too, it is starting to make since that it is an ethernet driver thing |
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| 21:48.40 | LorenALindenLevy | !seen Sumo |
| 21:48.40 | dpkg | sumo <sumo@M411P006.dipool.highway.telekom.at> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 686d 6h 8m 24s ago, saying: 'thanx, problem sloved'. |
| 21:48.53 | tuv | abrotman, *make sense |
| 21:49.04 | LorenALindenLevy | Anyone got any blootbot experience here? |
| 21:49.11 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: just ask |
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| 21:49.57 | LorenALindenLevy | How do i set up a command like the debian beer command. In other words what variables does blottbot take. |
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| 21:50.06 | LorenALindenLevy | !beer abrotman |
| 21:50.21 | bbelt16ag | hi peeps |
| 21:50.22 | maher | tuv: sorry - is there an easy way to download all the imap folders without specifying in the config what they are? |
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| 21:50.26 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: are you serious? |
| 21:50.33 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: /msg <bot> help |
| 21:50.42 | vanksi | anyone successfullu compiled FiSH module for irssi under amd64? |
| 21:51.04 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: It does not tell what variables it takes. |
| 21:51.11 | abrotman | anything |
| 21:51.14 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: to do the substitution |
| 21:51.33 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: i.e. putting abrotman at the end of the reply sring |
| 21:51.38 | LorenALindenLevy | s/sring/string |
| 21:52.04 | abrotman | i understand |
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| 21:52.23 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: Does my question make sense? |
| 21:52.52 | abrotman | bot: something $1 is blahblah blah $1 blah blah blah |
| 21:53.03 | abrotman | or $crap or $stupidbot |
| 21:54.08 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: which channel is your bot in ? |
| 21:54.10 | tuv | maher, i don't think so, but getmail's rc file is straightforward: http://pyropus.ca/software/getmail/configuration.html#rcfile |
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| 21:54.28 | capiira | hmmm is the debian etch text installer much hard than the graphical one ? |
| 21:54.33 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: A new channel I am setting up for my experiment |
| 21:54.34 | n3kl_ | Will someone please test that connections to https://fek.homelinux.net work correctly, please? |
| 21:54.35 | capiira | harder |
| 21:54.42 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: is it a channel i can join ? |
| 21:54.46 | abrotman | capiira: same |
| 21:55.06 | LorenALindenLevy | abrotman: It is protected by keyword |
| 21:55.07 | capiira | i read it offers me more options |
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| 21:55.20 | tuv | capiira, no |
| 21:55.30 | capiira | for encryption |
| 21:55.41 | tuv | capiira, it's pretty straightforward. probably better at the moment than the graphical one |
| 21:55.42 | abrotman | LorenALindenLevy: so tell me the damn password |
| 21:55.42 | capiira | like created crypted drives using keys |
| 21:56.31 | capiira | i need to reinstall because i cant find a ways to mount a crypted drive while installing |
| 21:56.35 | maher | tuv: i need to backup other peoples imap folders - i don't want to have to manually intervene every time they create new folders... |
| 21:56.43 | CharminTheMoose | are there ever any cases where using a prebuilt binary is better than compiling it? |
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| 21:57.07 | centrx | CharminTheMoose, you don't have to compile it |
| 21:57.08 | cr3 | how can I know what's wrong with a package that says the following when running dpkg-reconfigure: package is broken or not fully installed |
| 21:57.23 | centrx | cr3, you should finish the installation with the package manager |
| 21:57.37 | cr3 | centrx: apt-get install -f? |
| 21:57.50 | centrx | cr3, you probably shouldn't use the -f |
| 21:58.09 | centrx | cr3, if it needs the -f and you are newly installing it it might be better to remove it and try again |
| 21:58.23 | centrx | cr3, unless you are using experimental, the reason is probably you hit Ctrl-C or something during insallation |
| 21:58.56 | tuv | maher, maybe feed the list of folders via a script that browses users' maildirs |
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| 21:59.00 | cr3 | centrx: this is indeed an experimental package and I'd like to know what exactly is going wrong, apt-get install returns: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 10 |
| 21:59.16 | centrx | cr3, the package may simply be broken |
| 21:59.25 | centrx | cr3, it might be on bugs.d.o |
| 21:59.32 | tuv | CharminTheMoose, if you care about your time, that is one big case |
| 21:59.54 | cr3 | centrx: it is broken, but how can I debug the postinst script? |
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| 22:00.01 | centrx | CharminTheMoose, another advantage might be that the the person who built the prebuilt binary knows all the right flags to use |
| 22:00.18 | ubra | for debian 3.1 i see there are 2 releases r3 and r4 on the same day, are both plagued by the problem mentioned there or only r3? http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/ |
| 22:00.18 | centrx | CharminTheMoose, etc. |
| 22:00.56 | centrx | CharminTheMoose, but assuming you know the flags and have the same toolchain, you could compile an identical prebuilt binary, so there would be no special advantage after the fact, in theory |
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| 22:01.25 | centrx | CharminTheMoose, but the reasons are practical, someone else figured out everything about the package and (probably) knows exactly the best way to build, and it is already compiled when you want to use it |
| 22:01.27 | cr3 | centrx: I got the source of the package and added set -o xtrace to the postinst script, that did the trick! |
| 22:02.26 | centrx | ubra, those weren't actually released the same day, that's just the timestamp |
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| 22:03.25 | centrx | ubra, but it looks like they are both affected, I don't know why it wasn't fixed--maybe it was a separate problem |
| 22:03.33 | centrx | ubra, but it does not look to be very consequential |
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| 22:04.30 | ubra | centrx: ok thanks |
| 22:05.13 | ubra | almost a month apart |
| 22:05.45 | ubra | if i just get another release and use apt-get update it should be the same in the end rigth? |
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| 22:06.32 | centrx | ubra, yes |
| 22:06.47 | Edson | hi every one!!! |
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| 22:06.53 | enigma | x????????????)?? |
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| 22:07.00 | CharminTheMoose | owned |
| 22:07.05 | enigma | x????????????)?? |
| 22:07.12 | didas | hello. I am using alsamixer and a Soundblaster Live!. Curretly I cannot hear CD playback sound at all, although all other sounds are normal. Does anybody know what channels I need to unmute to have CD playback? |
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| 22:07.55 | centrx | ubra, but unless you are using the CD download, the problem is just that it starts with an older kernel version |
| 22:08.15 | centrx | ubra, so the only issue there is that it is older--which is the same issue you would have by using r2 |
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| 22:08.31 | LightKnight | didas: sure the CD audio cable is plugged on the board? |
| 22:08.38 | quintin | cd audio cable? |
| 22:08.40 | quintin | crap! |
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| 22:08.53 | centrx | ubra, and if you are using the CD download for some reason, then you would still need to download a lot of security updates, so I don't know why you wouldn't just use the net download if yo ucould |
| 22:09.04 | didas | Kightnight, quintin: yes, CD audio cable is properly connected |
| 22:09.05 | ubra | im updating everything, core libs too, using custom kernel though |
| 22:09.19 | ubra | centrx: i need to go in a few somewhere i dont have a fast line line home |
| 22:09.21 | LightKnight | quintin: Eh. That, or you have to auto-rip the tracks and send them to the DSP :) |
| 22:09.25 | quintin | Can I install a SATA hard disk in a PII 350mhz ? Is there a power converter to go from molex to whatever SATA is? |
| 22:09.34 | LightKnight | didas: do you have a "CD" channel in alsamixer? |
| 22:09.49 | ubra | centrx: cdma 16k not planning on doing downloads all nigth :P |
| 22:10.04 | ubra | centrx: and i can update later |
| 22:10.12 | centrx | yea, ok |
| 22:10.41 | didas | Lightknight: yes I do. I unmuted it. Did not solve the problem |
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| 22:11.15 | LightKnight | didas: what app are you using to play the CD? Is it properly configured to use ALSA? Did you try another program? |
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| 22:12.07 | cromo | where does dhcpd keeps its log files? I can't find them :O |
| 22:12.32 | didas | LightKnight. i am using gnome CD. Let me see if there is anything special configuration i need to do... |
| 22:12.38 | LightKnight | OK :) |
| 22:12.45 | didas | thx |
| 22:12.54 | LightKnight | NP :-) |
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| 22:15.14 | didas | LightNight: /dev/scd0 is the CD rom. That's what I have set in gnome cd to use as playback device.. Any other ideas? |
| 22:16.22 | LightKnight | didas: OK for the input, but what did you set the output to? |
| 22:16.26 | didas | LightKnight: Gnome CD can definately see the CD player. I can even see the names of the songs on my the CDs. Playback starts but ther is no sound. |
| 22:17.31 | didas | LightKnight: I cannot see any place in the GUI of gnome CD to use for output configuration |
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| 22:18.00 | didas | LightKnight: let me try the gnome CD documentation.. |
| 22:18.09 | didas | will be back.. |
| 22:18.12 | LightKnight | didas: maybe that's demanded to GNOME general config. |
| 22:18.13 | didas | :-) |
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| 22:18.33 | didas | lightKnight: Gnome general config? |
| 22:18.37 | maher | w00t! .isyncrc finally functions kind of... |
| 22:18.53 | abrotman | should that be e.isyncrc.app ? |
| 22:19.37 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm confused why you thought that wouldn't work ? |
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| 22:19.54 | tarzeau | abrotman: what? the vga lamp? |
| 22:19.56 | LightKnight | didas: Gnome control panel, or however it's called... do you use gnome for all of your desktop, or just the cd player? |
| 22:20.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: yes |
| 22:20.13 | tarzeau | abrotman: it's great if you make the screen shine to the roof, in the bedroom |
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| 22:20.25 | spldart | What can i do about my host bridge and pci bridge? http://spldart.opencombat.net:92/lspcilsmod.doc |
| 22:20.42 | abrotman | tarzeau: perhaps you should hook each of the RGB to a variable capacitor for a nice rainbow strobe effect :) |
| 22:21.10 | tarzeau | abrotman: the capacitor varies itself? |
| 22:21.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: we have potentiometers as you can see? |
| 22:21.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not sure the strobe effect will be calming, romantic or erotic. |
| 22:21.37 | didas | LightKnight: The only central place for gnome sound configuration is Applications/desktop preferences/sound. Everything looks ok there. I am using Gnome for everything. All other sounds, like system sounds and mp3/ogg playback is fine |
| 22:21.38 | spldart | variable capacitors are limited generally in the picofarad range |
| 22:21.42 | abrotman | all kinds of odd things you can do .. all of which are outside the scope of this channel :) |
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| 22:21.48 | tarzeau | abrotman: but the rainbow smooth color changes are nice |
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| 22:22.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: not if i write DEBIAN onto the device |
| 22:22.08 | tarzeau | abrotman: and we used gschem and pcb to build it |
| 22:22.11 | mwe | when I apt-get anything it says "The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: [Long list]. How do I tell apt to stop warning about that? I want to keep those packages. |
| 22:22.13 | LightKnight | didas: nothing on that side, then. |
| 22:22.42 | LightKnight | didas: try using another app (e.g. xmms, amarok, mplayer, vlc...) to read the CD? |
| 22:22.47 | didas | LightKnight: what desktop environment do you use? (Just qurious) |
| 22:22.47 | abrotman | tarzeau: hehe |
| 22:22.55 | LightKnight | didas: WMaker :-) |
| 22:23.17 | abrotman | mwe: you mean aptitude ? |
| 22:24.01 | didas | LightKnight: Haven't heard of that desktop environment. Is it built at the top of X Windows? (Be gentle with your answer, I am a novice Linux/Debian user) |
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| 22:26.05 | didas | LightKnight: as for my problem; I will see if I can try playing back Cds with some other application. But even if I can, I am really qurious to find out why gnome CD does not have any sound |
| 22:26.14 | LightKnight | didas: it's a window manager, like icewm, fvwm, blackbox... :) http://www.windowmaker.info/ |
| 22:26.16 | didas | be back later... |
| 22:26.43 | LightKnight | didas: I'm curious either. I'll think about what can it be... |
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| 22:31.00 | rad_kk | do you speak polish? |
| 22:31.22 | didas | LightKnight:just for the record.. I plugged a pair od headphones at the front port of the CDPlayer and there is sound there. |
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| 22:31.52 | abrotman | !pl |
| 22:31.52 | dpkg | from memory, pl is sometimes referred to as "packet loss", or polska -> #debian.pl (on irc.freenode.net) |
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| 22:32.36 | LightKnight | didas: That may mean the sound is not going to the right device, or something'a blockingthe way. |
| 22:32.47 | LightKnight | *something's blocking the way |
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| 22:33.20 | LightKnight | didas: check whether you're using ESD and ALSA together -- they may conflict. |
| 22:33.40 | didas | LightKinght: You mean that there should not be any sound there if the sound from the CD playback was properly configured to go to my SoundBlaster? |
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| 22:34.45 | LightKnight | didas: No, I mean the CD plays correctly, but somehow the device doesn't get the sound (the fact that you hear sound in your headphones is correct anyway). |
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| 22:34.59 | gnat_x | i have a wireless card set up, and am connecting via a wireless access point using wep, so that all works. though now i have a few additional questions |
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| 22:35.27 | didas | LightKnight: ESD is the gnome soundserver. ALSA is the driver for the soundcard. Correct me if I am wrong but they cannot conflict as they are doing separate jobs. |
| 22:36.21 | yassine | i m clue less i can not get my mic to work everything working as it should but i can not record a thing using my mic :/ |
| 22:36.45 | LightKnight | didas: Hrm... I may be wrong, but if ESD is blocking the DSP, it may prevent ALSA from accessing properly. But maybe I'm missing something. |
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| 22:37.07 | wakejagr | didas: sounds to me like it might be a hardware connection problem. i had the same issue on a box i built a few years ago, because i hadn't hooked the cd-rom drive to the soundcard |
| 22:37.28 | Guerin | didas: they can conflict because esd can block access to the sound device |
| 22:37.38 | Guerin | well, strictly, esd doesn't conflict with alsa but with a program which uses the alsa device |
| 22:37.38 | gnat_x | how do i make those settings permanent? i tried add all-hotplug wlan0, iface wlan0 inet dhcp, wireless_essid "blah" and wireless_key KEY to my /etc/network/interfaces file, but when i restart the network, nothing happens. |
| 22:37.56 | gnat_x | but if i iwconfig wlan0 essid "blah" |
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| 22:38.12 | gnat_x | it works (after i do the key command as well |
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| 22:39.11 | didas | LightKinght: I think you may be missing the point that when a CD plays in the CD Rom, the sound driver s not used and the signal goes directly to the soundcard. Hmmm..... Yes you may be right. ESD may be blocking this process. I shall have to read some ESD documentation i think.. |
| 22:39.34 | LightKnight | didas: try to discover if ESD is running and disable it. |
| 22:39.40 | didas | LightKnight: thanks. I will be back later |
| 22:39.47 | LightKnight | didas: you're welcome :) |
| 22:39.48 | gnat_x | am i approaching the permanent solution wrongly, is there a good set of wireless tools for picking networks and such? or am i just as well off editing my /etc/network/interfaces file when needed |
| 22:40.06 | abrotman | gnat_x: apt-cache search network laptop |
| 22:40.10 | LightKnight | didas: could you check again if you *audio* cable is hooked to the sound card? |
| 22:40.19 | LightKnight | *your audio cable |
| 22:40.32 | enouf | gnat_x: maybe file:///etc/network/if-pre-up.d/wireless-tools |
| 22:40.59 | didas | LightKnight: No I this cannot be it. I double checked that already. Honestly! :-) |
| 22:41.29 | LightKnight | didas: OK, I believe you :-) :-) |
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| 22:42.32 | spldart | anyone help tackly my query? Pweeeese` |
| 22:42.59 | me_here | wtf |
| 22:43.13 | me_here | i lost connection without warnings |
| 22:43.21 | stoned | hey |
| 22:43.26 | me_here | and my nick was owned by someone else |
| 22:43.39 | me_here | without my consent and even i am registered |
| 22:43.45 | me_here | wtf is up there |
| 22:43.57 | stoned | I run windows on my desktop for games right now. I run vnc client on xp to access server on debian. How can I make it so that copy/paste among windows/linux is done over VNC |
| 22:44.03 | me_here | why does that happen |
| 22:44.03 | stoned | Please advise |
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| 22:44.30 | enouf | rmdir C:\* |
| 22:45.09 | spldart | poop |
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| 22:48.54 | czr | stoned, are you sure vnc supports that feature? |
| 22:49.14 | czr | stoned, last time I checked VNC was just a pretty simple "bitmap transfer program" |
| 22:49.36 | stoned | I have heard vnc server 4.0+ supports it |
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| 22:50.03 | stoned | http://www.realvnc.com/pipermail/vnc-list/2004-August/046615.html |
| 22:50.10 | stoned | I don't understand what this guy means |
| 22:50.21 | stoned | what do you think |
| 22:50.49 | czr | try executing vncconfig on the debian (through the vnc session) |
| 22:50.58 | czr | maybe that :-). don't use vnc myself |
| 22:51.17 | stoned | http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/research/dtg/attarchive/vnc/faq.html#q25 |
| 22:51.31 | stoned | I just can't figure out how to make it work |
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| 22:54.16 | stoned | I discovered this |
| 22:54.18 | stoned | http://www.lepton.fr/tools/autocutsel/ |
| 22:54.25 | stoned | seems useful, about ot give it a shot |
| 22:55.24 | czr | it was mentioned on the vnc-faq as well I think |
| 22:55.56 | stoned | !vnc |
| 22:55.56 | dpkg | hmm... vnc is Virtual Network Computing (GUI remote-access), at http://www.realvnc.com, or http://www.tridiavnc.com, or ask me about x-not-vnc |
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| 23:00.04 | astronaute | hello |
| 23:00.14 | astronaute | is etch stable or not yet please ? |
| 23:00.57 | abrotman | not yet .. it'll hit slashdot when it does |
| 23:01.05 | astronaute | ok thx mate |
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| 23:05.08 | smax | hi |
| 23:05.24 | centrx | hi |
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| 23:10.31 | smax | i cant get a network connection on this fresh installation of debian |
| 23:10.34 | ivorw | is /. the place to look then, not Debian news? |
| 23:10.36 | smax | dhclient doesent work |
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| 23:10.46 | smax | i assigned manually an IP |
| 23:10.48 | smax | doesent work |
| 23:10.57 | smax | i tried two nick cards |
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| 23:12.36 | abrotman | ivorw: if you subscribe to that |
| 23:12.47 | abrotman | ivorw: that guy has been asking every day for a few weeks |
| 23:13.07 | ivorw | he should subscribe then. |
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| 23:13.55 | abrotman | ivorw: you can let him know that when he asks tomorrow :) |
| 23:14.30 | abrotman | ivorw: WIR |
| 23:14.33 | abrotman | SIYH |
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| 23:15.20 | ivorw | A launch party in a secret location? |
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| 23:17.58 | smax | why cant i get a network connection. ifconfig eth1 192.168.1.105 netmask 255.255.255.0 ; route add defualt gw 192.168.1.1 |
| 23:18.07 | smax | i have a linksys router |
| 23:18.27 | smax | i cant ping my linksys router |
| 23:18.41 | smax | and i cant get dhclient to assign me an address |
| 23:18.43 | icicled | is eth1 up? |
| 23:18.47 | smax | it's not building an arp table |
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| 23:18.52 | smax | yes it is up |
| 23:19.30 | smax | this sucks |
| 23:20.10 | smax | fuck it' i'll use an other distro |
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| 23:20.47 | smax | wtf is NETDEV WATCHDOG |
| 23:21.27 | abrotman | did you actually spell default incorrectly in the command too ? |
| 23:22.22 | Eulex | smax, why aren't you using /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 23:22.38 | smax | dhclient is easier |
| 23:22.44 | smax | i just want to get my server up and running |
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| 23:23.31 | Eulex | well, what happens when you reboot? |
| 23:23.44 | abrotman | which network card? |
| 23:24.32 | ida01 | There is one simple question: Can you tell a Windows user that - safely and forever- can format his windows and applications and shift to Debian? |
| 23:25.09 | icicled | i'm getting ready to install debian and am i correct in thinking that if i want to use the latest software available i should use the testing netinstall cd? |
| 23:25.12 | itchi | ida01: Want you a scipt to do the job? :-) |
| 23:25.17 | abrotman | ida01: that's up to the user |
| 23:25.52 | ida01 | I was thinking can we replace windows? |
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| 23:26.27 | ida01 | I took me almost one year for this and still working on this - at least if wine will be functional... |
| 23:26.33 | icicled | sure you can as long as there are equivalent softwares available for debian |
| 23:26.35 | itchi | ida01: (I only use GNU/Linux at home :-) some time win in virtual machine in Debian) |
| 23:26.43 | Eulex | ida01, hugely depends on what applications the user needs. if there aren't viable replacements or the specific apps don't run on linux -- well, then it's not possible to switch fully |
| 23:27.02 | ida01 | see guys: we have a problem |
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| 23:27.33 | icicled | install Xen and then you can run both at the same time (I think) |
| 23:28.09 | ida01 | I was thinking first if we can organize a WORLDWIDE Debian GNU/Linux installerfest - so in all places where people use and know to install debian can have for one week sessions in public places to help others install and start using Debian |
| 23:28.15 | Eulex | icicled, only on vm capable hardware |
| 23:28.20 | smax | NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out <----- on a fresh installation of debian |
| 23:28.30 | itchi | ida01: If you want it easy, get 'qemu for windows', so that you can play a with virtual computing, once you get it, pass to Debian an use virtual computing for some apps you not yet have find an alternative |
| 23:28.35 | abrotman | ida01: send an email .. try to get it organized |
| 23:28.48 | icicled | Eulex, so linux + windows at same time only on VM capable hardware? |
| 23:28.53 | mc__ | ida01:It's not a good idea fornewcomers to use debian |
| 23:28.57 | Eulex | icicled, I think so. |
| 23:29.13 | icicled | but linux & linux at same time on any hardware? |
| 23:29.17 | mc__ | ida01: they should youse kubunut first,and when they're finally experienced move to debian |
| 23:29.29 | itchi | icicled: Not especially, i run qemu on my laptop |
| 23:29.55 | itchi | icicled: qemu is many more lighter an lesser sophisticated as xen |
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| 23:30.08 | Eulex | icicled, yes. as you need kernel support to run several os'es at the same time, two xen capable linuxes will run fine |
| 23:30.12 | ida01 | mc__ what I realize is that we can create a simple script to install from very begining very basic needed services (burn DVD, connect to Microsoft based Networks, wireless configuration, dial-up_ |
| 23:30.22 | icicled | qemu is an emulator, Xen does something entirely different |
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| 23:30.33 | Eulex | itchi, qemu does emulation, xen does virtualization. |
| 23:30.40 | itchi | Eulex: Yup |
| 23:31.21 | abrotman | burning a DVD is a simple service ? |
| 23:31.24 | itchi | Eulex: It come to the same point, running windows in an running os |
| 23:31.35 | itchi | Or whatever other os/distribution |
| 23:31.43 | icicled | quick question now that folks are talking, if i want the latest desktop env., say KDE + Hal + DBus, should i use testing or unstable ? |
| 23:31.49 | Eulex | itchi, emulation often isn't a viable replacement for virtualization |
| 23:32.00 | ida01 | besides, I just some genial ideas while I was talking on OFTC site - we have to initiate a DEBIAN GNU/Linux Certified Professional/Administrator/System Engineer /Architect - that would boost and place Debian where is ready to go |
| 23:32.05 | abrotman | icicled: can you fix unstable when it blows u p? |
| 23:32.06 | abrotman | up? |
| 23:32.12 | itchi | Eulex: Yup, for hardware test and such, is qemu not yet so right with it |
| 23:32.14 | dendrite | icicled: Since you're asking, stay away from unstable. |
| 23:32.17 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 23:32.17 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
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| 23:32.33 | icicled | ok, thank you |
| 23:32.43 | Eulex | itchi, I mean when you need speed and/or hardware acceleration. then qemu _can't_ replace it. |
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| 23:33.10 | icicled | i think VMware's products are a lot faster than even qemu |
| 23:33.18 | itchi | Eulex: I'm happy with kqemu (the acceleration part), but to be honnest, it's an brand new laptop with power :-) |
| 23:33.24 | icicled | VMware + qemu = good combination |
| 23:33.32 | icicled | qemu to create images, VMware to run them |
| 23:33.32 | itchi | Eulex: It's realy realy fast here :-) |
| 23:33.40 | ida01 | The biggest problem in implementing Debian is CONTINUITY in administration - and big corporations need that badly - there is a highly dynamic flow or professionals - and if you cannot find Debian savy techs you are not going to implement it - you better invest lots of many in Microsoft and Apple for which you can find techs and admins easier |
| 23:33.51 | Eulex | itchi, well yes, kqemu provides virtualization to some degree |
| 23:34.13 | itchi | Eulex: I realy love more an more qemu :-) |
| 23:34.27 | itchi | So useful hehe |
| 23:34.58 | itchi | icicled: Yup, vmware is a bit more faster as qemu+kqemu |
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| 23:35.31 | itchi | icicled: But i like many more the great spirit :-) |
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| 23:35.37 | icicled | hehe |
| 23:36.02 | itchi | icicled: There are gui tools too for qemu, like qemu-launcher |
| 23:37.06 | itchi | Doh, i have not yet make some screenshots about qemu, baa i suck |
| 23:37.50 | itchi | icicled: Wait 5 mins ;-) |
| 23:38.00 | icicled | heh, i'm alright |
| 23:39.28 | itchi | icicled: Look http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/screenshots/ |
| 23:39.58 | itchi | (ISP is kinda slow, have reach my 2 GB upload limit :-( ) |
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| 23:41.14 | icicled | yea i see =] |
| 23:41.56 | itchi | icicled: Yeah my download speed is now 3Kb down haha |
| 23:42.06 | icicled | ouch |
| 23:42.07 | itchi | crazy isp :-s |
| 23:42.13 | icicled | where do you live? |
| 23:42.18 | itchi | icicled: Belgium |
| 23:42.38 | itchi | icicled: I have a download limit of 10B and 2GB up monthly |
| 23:42.55 | icicled | ouch |
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| 23:43.12 | itchi | icicled: But i have 10Mb download speed, not ask my why it goes so fast, (to easy reach the limit :-)) |
| 23:43.31 | itchi | s/10B/10GB/ |
| 23:43.39 | icicled | I have 2Mbps/512Kbps now, unlimited transfer (I think) |
| 23:43.42 | icicled | nice |
| 23:43.58 | icicled | i used to have 15Mbps/2Mbps with verzion before i moved |
| 23:44.09 | itchi | I have no choice here :-/ |
| 23:44.27 | itchi | Have an abo for 2 computers here |
| 23:44.58 | itchi | We should pay for each computer we have, who gona do that ;-) |
| 23:45.29 | icicled | that's crazy |
| 23:45.39 | icicled | use a router :) |
| 23:46.13 | icicled | and make it spoof the registered computers mac address |
| 23:46.45 | itchi | icicled: Shuuut, router work right here :-) |
| 23:47.11 | itchi | icicled: Have a bit to many old stuff here that i like to connect :-) |
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| 23:48.09 | icicled | =] |
| 23:49.53 | itchi | Here in .be there are not yet unlimited download/upload isp, baaa |
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| 23:51.20 | icicled | time to reboot and install debian |
| 23:51.33 | itchi | icicled: Not yet already done? :-p |
| 23:51.41 | icicled | nope |
| 23:51.53 | icicled | be back in an hour or so hopefully |
| 23:52.01 | itchi | icicled: ;-) |
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| 23:52.12 | enigma | 33472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033472450033 |
| 23:52.15 | phogg | someone keeps trying to remotely login as root |
| 23:52.28 | itchi | enigma: What's happend? |
| 23:52.35 | enigma | sorry |
| 23:52.46 | enigma | i hit the wrong button |
| 23:52.46 | itchi | phogg: Put it in host.deny? |
| 23:52.57 | itchi | enigma: That was a big button :-) |
| 23:53.10 | phogg | itchi: that's a good start |
| 23:53.26 | itchi | phogg: Maybe, look for fail2ban?? |
| 23:53.30 | enigma | phogg your nasty lol |
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| 23:53.55 | me_here | ol` josser around ? |
| 23:54.18 | enigma | well what is your root password |
| 23:54.38 | me_here | it's a nigma |
| 23:54.52 | itchi | phogg: But you should avoid to permit root login too |
| 23:54.52 | phogg | itchi: even better. Thanks. |
| 23:55.02 | phogg | itchi: remote root is denied anway |
| 23:55.14 | itchi | phogg: That's more secure :-) |
| 23:55.31 | phogg | itchi: but if someone's trying that means they may get in somewhere I'm not watching close enough |
| 23:55.40 | phogg | itchi: same ip tried yesterday at about the same time, too. |
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| 23:56.03 | itchi | phogg: Put him in /etc/hosts.deny :-) |
| 23:56.18 | phogg | itchi: done and done. I'll get fail2ban too, looks good |
| 23:56.35 | itchi | phogg: Yeah, it automate te task |
| 23:57.10 | me_here | !wn cat -over |
| 23:58.19 | itchi | phogg: Is it for a Sarge box? |
| 23:58.47 | phogg | itchi: etch + unstable |
| 23:59.04 | itchi | phogg: Oki, because it's backported for Sarge |
| 23:59.09 | michael117 | I am trying to add an IDE controller PCI card to my home server but when I have it inserted and attempt to boot, I keep getting an error after it says "Waiting for root filesystem" and it brings me to this BusyBox ash prompt that says "initramfs". Is this because support is not built into the kernel? What exactly is this and how could I go about fixing it? |
| 23:59.53 | itchi | michael117: The device names have changed probably, look in /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst list when your in busybox |
