| 00:00.10 | spikeb | lunitik: does the DE task install gnome? or kde? or both? |
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| 00:00.30 | lunitik | spikeb: in Sarge, both... in Etch, gnome |
| 00:00.35 | spikeb | ahh okay |
| 00:00.57 | jovans | hm |
| 00:01.03 | chjunior | so gnome will be the official window manager in debian since etch? |
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| 00:01.29 | lunitik | chjunior: yes... its a GNU project, so its always been preferred ;) |
| 00:01.31 | jovans | i never had used a distribution like debian how's runs so fast and stable |
| 00:01.41 | centrx | yea Debian is probably the greatest thing ever |
| 00:01.48 | odla | what about GNUstep? |
| 00:01.58 | spikeb | gnustep rocks in a lotta ways |
| 00:02.03 | chjunior | lunitik, good!! :D |
| 00:02.22 | lunitik | spikeb: its also very very ugly :( |
| 00:02.24 | spikeb | nowhere near as complete as gnome though, as far as applications go. |
| 00:02.25 | jovans | but a unstable netiso don't exist or? |
| 00:02.31 | spikeb | lunitik: it has themes now :) |
| 00:02.33 | abrotman | eh .. i don't think it's a gnu project |
| 00:02.35 | lunitik | jovans: nothing official... no |
| 00:02.40 | stoned | jovans, dude sid has been one of the fasting running distros I've used |
| 00:02.42 | spikeb | abrotman: yeah it is |
| 00:02.46 | stoned | I dunno what they put in it, buts its great |
| 00:02.57 | stoned | speed, coke, meth, whatever |
| 00:02.58 | jovans | ;9 |
| 00:03.00 | stoned | debian is fast |
| 00:03.01 | jovans | ;) |
| 00:03.04 | jovans | sure |
| 00:03.09 | odla | !ricer |
| 00:03.09 | dpkg | i heard ricer is at gentoo |
| 00:03.11 | x_link | errrr |
| 00:03.13 | lunitik | spikeb: I've never seen a nice clean theme for GNUStep... something that doesn't have the boxy motif ... if you care to show me one though? |
| 00:03.21 | centrx | jovans you can use the stable netiso and just immediately upgrade |
| 00:03.24 | x_link | I went to bed then something came to my mind that I have to ask. |
| 00:03.29 | centrx | jovans won't be must redundancy |
| 00:03.31 | spikeb | lunitik: there are only like two of them, let me dig up the alternate one for you |
| 00:03.36 | odla | lunitik: i don't thikn one exists |
| 00:03.37 | pickcoder | x_link: we're not that kind of channel |
| 00:03.42 | pickcoder | heh heh |
| 00:03.45 | x_link | When I'm in a directory, how can I see how big that dir, is ? |
| 00:03.46 | abrotman | that's weird ... oh well |
| 00:03.51 | x_link | pickcoder: =) |
| 00:03.55 | abrotman | du -sk |
| 00:04.03 | x_link | I did cd /mnt/sedde/Movies |
| 00:04.05 | x_link | ok |
| 00:04.09 | jovans | hm but etc netiso can i use too or? |
| 00:04.16 | jovans | etch i mean sorry |
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| 00:04.17 | stoned | x_link, read the "du" manpage |
| 00:04.27 | x_link | abrotman: I want it to show it in GB |
| 00:04.31 | x_link | stoned: I will now. |
| 00:04.34 | x_link | Forgot about that. |
| 00:04.37 | pickcoder | er |
| 00:04.38 | x_link | Thanks! |
| 00:04.45 | stoned | x_link, read the manpage, it will tell you which swichtes to use |
| 00:04.50 | pickcoder | I thought that glibc == libc6 |
| 00:04.56 | abrotman | x_link: -sh i suppose |
| 00:04.58 | x_link | du -h |
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| 00:05.01 | lunitik | receive libc6 2.5* I keep missing out very important parts of sentences lately :/ |
| 00:05.06 | spikeb | lunitik: http://www.etoile-project.org/etoile/mediawiki/index.php?title=Nesedah |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | make's it 'human' readable |
| 00:05.26 | x_link | abrotman: Yes, -sh as well. |
| 00:05.34 | x_link | abrotman: hehe yeah. |
| 00:05.38 | x_link | Well, thanks alot guys. |
| 00:05.43 | pickcoder | human readable |
| 00:05.44 | pickcoder | heh |
| 00:05.47 | x_link | Now I can go back to bed and try to get some sleep. |
| 00:05.48 | abrotman | !apostrophesmite me |
| 00:05.54 | x_link | Good night ! |
| 00:06.02 | spikeb | lunitik: also http://www.etoile-project.org/etoile/mediawiki/index.php?title=CamaelonThemes |
| 00:06.14 | pickcoder | human readable == lazy users who can't group digits of 3 |
| 00:06.20 | lunitik | spikeb: Those are just mockups apparently, and even one of those comtains the boxed window manager feel :( |
| 00:06.52 | spikeb | well, for one thing the WM in every screenshot is wmaker, which uses hard corners heh |
| 00:06.53 | jovans | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_rc1/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:07.00 | jovans | shoud download that? |
| 00:07.29 | lunitik | spikeb: Certainly an improvement over the older stuff! |
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| 00:07.39 | spikeb | yeah definitely |
| 00:07.59 | spikeb | what gnustep really needs is some apps, and i might be helping fix that heh |
| 00:08.07 | lunitik | jovans: Sure? |
| 00:08.08 | pickcoder | jovans: yes. that is the net install CD image for Etch |
| 00:08.15 | odla | spikeb: yeah that's a huge improvement |
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| 00:08.51 | abrotman | spikeb: talk to tarzeau |
| 00:08.56 | lunitik | spikeb: Thats cool... yeah... GNUStep is rather lagging in many areas.... would be nice to see it get more attention |
| 00:09.06 | jovans | upgrade to sid or experimental is possible when install etc? |
| 00:09.09 | jovans | etch |
| 00:09.25 | abrotman | experimental is not a distro |
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| 00:09.28 | abrotman | !sid upgrade |
| 00:09.28 | dpkg | Repeat after me: Sid is NOT AN UPGRADE! Sid is meant for developers and testers, so stay away from it if you're neither. Use stable or testing instead. |
| 00:09.31 | spikeb | jovans: yes |
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| 00:09.35 | nevyn | meh |
| 00:09.42 | jovans | ok |
| 00:09.47 | odla | lunitik: yeah e17 is pretty amazing |
| 00:09.52 | nevyn | sid keeps life "interesting" |
| 00:09.53 | odla | much nicer than metacity and kwin |
| 00:09.54 | spikeb | lunitik: e17 is fricken awesome as well, be nice if they'd get a move on heh |
| 00:10.05 | abrotman | jovans: do not use sid .. please |
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| 00:10.16 | odla | ha he |
| 00:10.25 | jovans | why? |
| 00:10.33 | odla | abrotman: do you say that to everyone? |
| 00:10.35 | abrotman | things break .. very badly sometimes |
| 00:10.41 | lunitik | odla: KWin has MANY nice little features... you'll never see me mocking it (although most of the ones I use the most are available for E17) |
| 00:10.41 | pickcoder | jovans: can you fix kernel and application issues yourself? |
| 00:10.45 | abrotman | odla: i wouldn't have to if they had common sense |
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| 00:10.50 | abrotman | !sid faq |
| 00:10.51 | dpkg | hmm... sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 00:11.04 | jovans | sure |
| 00:11.12 | odla | sid is fine if you are smart...it's not ubuntu ffs |
| 00:11.22 | jovans | i had used debian experimental for a time |
| 00:11.23 | dnm48091 | lol |
| 00:11.23 | abrotman | still breaks |
| 00:11.27 | spikeb | sid is a PITA |
| 00:11.29 | abrotman | experimental is not a distro |
| 00:11.36 | zenwryly | Anyone know of a package that will give me mozilla firefox instead of iceweasel? |
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| 00:11.44 | pickcoder | jovans: then run Etch and help stomp RC bugs |
| 00:11.46 | abrotman | zenwryly: in which versino of debian ? |
| 00:11.57 | zenwryly | abrotman: unstable |
| 00:12.12 | abrotman | zenwryly: no, FF is removed |
| 00:12.13 | odla | zenwryly: ah...download firefox from their website |
| 00:12.20 | jovans | because it as a mixed debian unstable/experimental |
| 00:12.27 | jovans | xes experimental is not a distro |
| 00:12.39 | lunitik | spikeb: you say that without having used it? It actually makes more sense in most regards than etch.... |
| 00:12.59 | spikeb | lunitik: no, i've used it before. way too much work to keep from breaking in my opinion |
| 00:13.06 | zenwryly | odla, jovans: know an apt source? |
| 00:13.18 | abrotman | zenwryly: apt-get.org .. maybe |
| 00:13.28 | zenwryly | abrotman: sorry, I was being lazy |
| 00:14.06 | jovans | ok guys i go to install etc rc1 download of netiso is compleated see you soon here |
| 00:14.14 | stoned | good luck |
| 00:14.20 | jovans | thx |
| 00:14.27 | stoned | if you really want to thank me |
| 00:14.35 | stoned | take the time to spell out "thanks" or "thank you" |
| 00:14.43 | odla | zenwryly: why do you need ff instead of iceweasel? |
| 00:14.49 | dnm48091 | mixed distro via apt pinning has always ran well for me for desktops |
| 00:14.50 | jovans | ;) |
| 00:15.19 | spikeb | heh i am way too lazy for that. |
| 00:15.33 | abrotman | then stick with etch |
| 00:15.42 | spikeb | aye. :) |
| 00:16.00 | zenwryly | odla: I just like to have the vanilla version around |
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| 00:16.24 | abrotman | zenwryly: apt-get.org is your best bet |
| 00:16.26 | odla | zenwryly: well google firefox and download from there |
| 00:16.35 | odla | oh i guess if there is a .deb package use that |
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| 00:17.37 | spikeb | no. |
| 00:17.39 | lunitik | (other than version number of course) |
| 00:17.39 | spikeb | (not yet) |
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| 00:18.31 | Kakarot_ | hey guys what is grub and its function? |
| 00:18.38 | lunitik | I still am not sure why they didn't dive right into the Gnuzilla stuff... |
| 00:18.49 | lunitik | Kakarot_: Bootloader... it boots stuff? |
| 00:18.50 | zenwryly | abrotman, odla: thanks |
| 00:18.55 | spikeb | lunitik: so am i |
| 00:19.01 | Kakarot_ | better versioon of lilo got it |
| 00:19.11 | abrotman | !grub |
| 00:19.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 00:19.15 | lunitik | Kakarot_: its not better if you have strange hardware |
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| 00:19.22 | dnm48091 | depends on your needs |
| 00:19.54 | lunitik | dnm48091: GRUB still doesn't work on many of Debian arch's ... yaboot and LILO are still used in several ports.... |
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| 00:20.02 | dnm48091 | example if you only use 1-4 OS's , all you need is lilo |
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| 00:20.04 | onetinsoldier | can you make a rescue floppy with grub? |
| 00:20.09 | spikeb | yaboot! |
| 00:20.11 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:20.13 | spikeb | reminds me of the ppc days :) |
| 00:20.23 | freeone3000 | Does it *have* more than one OS if grub doesn't run on it? :P |
| 00:20.36 | Kakarot_ | got some one in #windows who wants to put an image of grub on a cd using windows |
| 00:20.39 | Kakarot_ | any suggestions? |
| 00:20.49 | onetinsoldier | abrotman: ok.. seems liked i looked into doing it a while back but couldn't figure it out. i'll take a look again |
| 00:20.51 | abrotman | Kakarot_: ask #grub |
| 00:21.01 | Kakarot_ | did no answer yet |
| 00:21.06 | Kakarot_ | you guys are usually good so I thought id try |
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| 00:21.13 | abrotman | be patient .. they're good .. but sleep a lot |
| 00:21.19 | tuv | how can i print cp437 characters in the console? i've tried 'recode', but can't figure how to tell it that the input is a character code rather than a set of numeric characters |
| 00:21.26 | lunitik | Kakarot_: I sense a knoppix download in your future |
| 00:21.37 | dnm48091 | imho , lilo is more reliable , but grub is more tweakable |
| 00:21.57 | Kakarot_ | no you guys will hate me |
| 00:22.05 | Kakarot_ | I am running slack right now lol |
| 00:22.16 | Kakarot_ | I like lilo but everyone yells at me and says its outdate dlol |
| 00:22.18 | abrotman | okay .. so stop asking here |
| 00:22.38 | freeone3000 | Kakarot_: 1) Put cd in drive. 2) grub-install /dev/hdc |
| 00:22.39 | lunitik | Kakarot_: can't you just like... make a boot image on the slack box, and pretend you made it on the Windows box? |
| 00:22.39 | Kakarot_ | so because currently imp laying with slackware i not allowed to come here? thats a poor attitude, I use debian too |
| 00:22.46 | Kakarot_ | its not for me |
| 00:22.53 | freeone3000 | Kakarot_: Problem solved. |
| 00:22.55 | dnm48091 | hehe |
| 00:22.59 | Kakarot_ | Some one in #windows asked |
| 00:23.16 | Kakarot_ | You guys are usually hopping and good with answers whenever I have a debian question so I thought id ask over here |
| 00:23.19 | Kakarot_ | just trying to help out |
| 00:23.26 | freeone3000 | Of course, that needs an RW. Since you'll need to update menu.lst. |
| 00:23.40 | lunitik | Kakarot_: key phrase "When I have a Debian question" |
| 00:23.54 | dnm48091 | im suprized you would go to slack after using debian , hehe |
| 00:24.01 | Kakarot_ | I want to learn more |
| 00:24.08 | Kakarot_ | if I learn slackware I can use virtually any linux |
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| 00:24.13 | Kakarot_ | im just playing around ya know |
| 00:24.25 | Kakarot_ | im not a fanboy of any distrib |
| 00:24.32 | Kakarot_ | linux is linux I respect it as a whole |
| 00:24.34 | freeone3000 | Wait. Why the smeg am I don #debian. |
| 00:24.49 | freeone3000 | Cya later, rmsites. |
| 00:24.54 | Kakarot_ | I loved the debian live cd I played with it was a great starting point for me |
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| 00:24.57 | dnm48091 | a lot of people say that , however if you want to learn linux , go with DFS or LFS |
| 00:25.18 | spikeb | heh, rmsites eh? |
| 00:25.39 | lunitik | Kakarot_: Not much you can learn from someone else's preferred system settings imo |
| 00:25.52 | Kakarot_ | im not here to argue over which distrib is better |
| 00:25.56 | Kakarot_ | as none is better than the other |
| 00:26.06 | Kakarot_ | just wanted to know if anyone had an idea bout grub :) |
| 00:26.08 | Kakarot_ | thanks for your help |
| 00:26.27 | dnm48091 | right , not arguing , just making a suggestion |
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| 00:26.39 | lunitik | spikeb: Indeed, Debian used to be the official GNU distro until RMS found out about that (and Debian devels refused to get rid of them) |
| 00:26.44 | ScytheBlade1 | How would I restart gdm/X? |
| 00:26.45 | tuv | how do i specify a character by its code? |
| 00:26.53 | ScytheBlade1 | <-- long term linux user, first time debian user |
| 00:26.56 | dnm48091 | I used to use slackware , so I dont consider myself a slack hater , lol |
| 00:26.58 | abrotman | /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:26.59 | lunitik | ScytheBlade1: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 00:27.03 | spikeb | lunitik: it'd be a wonderful official distro aside from those two things :) |
| 00:27.23 | ScytheBlade1 | abrotman, lunitik, thanks :) |
| 00:27.54 | lunitik | spikeb: see: gNewSense (originally Gnubuntu, apparently funded in some way by Shuttleworth (not directly via Ubuntu)) |
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| 00:28.07 | spikeb | lunitik: i know all about it, am considering installing it |
| 00:28.10 | spikeb | lunitik: :) |
| 00:28.19 | Kakarot_ | linux is linux |
| 00:28.21 | Kakarot_ | its open source |
| 00:28.26 | spikeb | not all of it is. |
| 00:28.38 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 00:28.38 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 00:28.39 | Kakarot_ | I dont think one distrub is better than another |
| 00:28.41 | lunitik | Kakarot_: Ubuntu has lots of closed stuff... |
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| 00:28.48 | spikeb | ooh, refcard |
| 00:29.27 | spikeb | lunitik: my two issues with gnewsense are that it's a very young project that could die off, and that they don't deal with anything from the stupid "multiverse" repository from ubuntu |
| 00:29.38 | Kakarot_ | well what im getting at is, slackware debian redhat etc etc I can virtually do what I might want to do with any distrib, ya know. I dont think people should be fanboys ovoer a certain distrib |
| 00:29.43 | dnm48091 | depends on what you want , some distros do the job better , imagine running a webserver on gentoo hehe |
| 00:29.45 | Kakarot_ | why dont you have nvidia drivers? |
| 00:29.48 | tonyb2006 | ./warsow.x86_64: /lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.4' not found (required by ./warsow.x86_64) |
| 00:29.56 | tonyb2006 | whats with the no glibc 2.4 :| |
| 00:30.03 | lunitik | Kakarot_: Why? Umm, because I don't have an Nvidia card? |
| 00:30.11 | ctkroeke1 | apt-get install libc |
| 00:30.27 | tonyb2006 | libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 00:30.27 | Kakarot_ | so why would you even ant to end up with nvidia drivers lol |
| 00:30.32 | ctkroeke1 | sorry apt-get install glibc |
| 00:30.40 | tonyb2006 | E: Couldn't find package glibc |
| 00:30.50 | abrotman | libc6 |
| 00:30.53 | tonyb2006 | its libc6 btw, and its just like v2.3 |
| 00:31.01 | lunitik | Kakarot_: I don't, thats my point... Ubuntu is talking about making them default parts of the system :/ |
| 00:31.04 | tonyb2006 | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:31.12 | Kakarot_ | ohhhhhh |
| 00:31.19 | lunitik | I just want libc6 2.5 + debian userland :( |
| 00:31.26 | ctkroeke1 | well at least i'm learning too, not just saying what-not |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | lunitik: you do know it's in exp right ? |
| 00:31.59 | spikeb | lunitik: restricted already is, and they're headed more down that road heh |
| 00:32.01 | lunitik | abrotman: exp? |
| 00:32.08 | abrotman | experimental |
| 00:32.12 | abrotman | !info libc6 experimental |
| 00:32.14 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.5-0exp3 (experimental), Packaged size: 4283 kB, Installed size: 10640 kB |
| 00:32.14 | Kakarot_ | lunitik I have an nvidia card lol |
| 00:32.19 | Kakarot_ | so I had to download drivers for it haha |
| 00:33.16 | lunitik | abrotman: As soon as it hits Sid, I'll be installing Debian proper again then... I doubt it'll be until Etch is released though.... |
| 00:33.31 | abrotman | doubtful |
| 00:34.04 | Kakarot_ | hey guys |
| 00:34.05 | lunitik | abrotman: I wouldn't care, but it feels like it doubles my computers performance :( |
| 00:34.07 | Kakarot_ | heres an interesting idea |
| 00:34.10 | Kakarot_ | pretend im a kid |
| 00:34.12 | Kakarot_ | im sure its easy |
| 00:34.13 | abrotman | lunitik: lay off the crack |
| 00:34.19 | Kakarot_ | and I want to run linux with a dual boot with windows on my pc |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | Kakarot_: use fewer consonants |
| 00:34.53 | Kakarot_ | but I dont want my parents to know about it, is there a way I can do a dual boot without seeing the two os's on boot up, maybe a keyboard command after the biso loads will go into linux or something? |
| 00:35.00 | Kakarot_ | sorry abrotman you know me, I try but forget |
| 00:35.13 | lunitik | abrotman: 2.6.17 libc 2.4 -> 2.6.19 libc 2.5 .... not just start up times, application responsiveness is MUCH better in general |
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| 00:35.52 | Kakarot_ | anyone? |
| 00:36.01 | abrotman | lunitik: shut up about it already |
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| 00:36.12 | lunitik | abrotman: hah... sorry :) |
| 00:36.16 | abrotman | Kakarot_: use the NT bootloader to boot linux ? |
| 00:36.26 | Kakarot_ | beyond my knowledge can you xplain? |
| 00:36.38 | abrotman | i think there's a way to get the NT bootloader to boot linux |
| 00:36.53 | abrotman | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=NT+bootloader+linux&btnG=Google+Search |
| 00:37.00 | lunitik | abrotman: there is, its much more involved though |
| 00:37.10 | abrotman | i'm sure it is .. that's not what he asked htough |
| 00:37.23 | jazbo2185 | Kakarot_: use a live cd? |
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| 00:37.34 | abrotman | that's a better option IMO |
| 00:37.45 | abrotman | something with grub should work |
| 00:37.46 | onetinsoldier | Kakarot_: you make a rescue boot floppy, then run the windows xp install cd again, don't install windows xp, just exit out without installing, it will have replaced the mbr. now you must use the rescue boot floppy to get to your linux., and linux will not show up when booting your pc |
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| 00:38.13 | abrotman | that was when he wanted grub to boot windows! |
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| 00:44.17 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:44.17 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:44.29 | onetinsoldier | !qotd5 |
| 00:44.29 | dpkg | qotd5 is, like, <antgel__>wols_: that was my question. i have established that the best method could be to open the disc and use a small magnet to get all the 1s and 0s in the right places |
| 00:44.36 | tonyb2006 | !any ideas |
| 00:44.36 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of condoms, a little WD-40, and a dozen three-legged oxen. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
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| 00:46.05 | Dewi | !for the love of god help me |
| 00:46.13 | Dewi | .... that ought to be a factoid. |
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| 00:47.38 | helo | i need to download a package that is already installed... apt-get -d install packagename says it is already installed... |
| 00:47.46 | helo | i don't want to remove it |
| 00:47.52 | helo | at least, i'd rather not |
| 00:48.39 | abrotman | --reinstall |
| 00:48.53 | abrotman | or look in /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 00:49.03 | helo | already cleared it |
| 00:49.11 | abrotman | so use --reinstall |
| 00:49.18 | abrotman | or get it via ftp/http |
| 00:49.27 | abrotman | use packages.debian.org |
| 00:49.30 | helo | that did it, thanks |
| 00:49.43 | Kakarot_ | thanks for those of you who answered but its not for me so im not even trying to deal with all that lol |
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| 00:54.19 | rutski | Debian installed postgres by default when I chose "SQL Server" when installing Debian. How do I get going though? How do I access postgres via psql if I don't know what the admin user's name/password are? |
| 00:54.52 | abrotman | rutski: tons of docs at postgresql.org |
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| 00:55.12 | abrotman | rutski: in short .. su to root .. su to postgres user .. createuser <youruser> |
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| 00:55.57 | rutski | abrotman: ahh, good point :D |
| 00:56.12 | rutski | ty |
| 00:56.14 | abrotman | rutski: and i'm sure #postgresql could help :) |
| 00:56.27 | abrotman | erm ... |
| 00:56.38 | abrotman | that's not it |
| 00:57.41 | abrotman | that's weird .. oh well |
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| 00:58.46 | Malagmyr | Argh! Anyone know of a way to send mail to someone @aol.com without a static IP? Our IP changes like once every half year, and we're not about to pay for a more static one just to be able to send mail to aol. |
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| 00:59.56 | abrotman | use your ISP's mail server as a smart host ? |
| 01:00.12 | perlmonk | Maakuth, buy a static or forget about sending |
| 01:00.45 | perlmonk | actually, because of spammers (Thank you f**kin bastards) dynamic IPs will be blocked by a bunch of servers |
| 01:00.55 | perlmonk | ah, yes, a smart host could do the trick |
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| 01:01.17 | Malagmyr | only aol seems to have us on the list, though. never seen that before. |
| 01:01.38 | abrotman | if you want to send mail .. get a static IP |
| 01:01.40 | Howdy125 | I don't know what you're talking about but try web mail .. :( |
| 01:01.49 | abrotman | !smarthost |
| 01:01.49 | Malagmyr | ... |
| 01:01.49 | dpkg | i guess smarthost is an SMTP relay. Mail-Administrator-HOWTO is at tldp.org |
| 01:02.16 | Malagmyr | I'll try and set that up. Thanks. |
| 01:04.01 | abrotman | or get your friends off AOL .. it's the only sensible thing to do |
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| 01:06.09 | Malagmyr | Can postfix be configured to try and send a message directly, and send it through a smarthost if that fails? |
| 01:06.58 | abrotman | ask #postfix |
| 01:07.07 | Malagmyr | will do |
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| 01:07.36 | Vme- | hello |
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| 01:07.51 | sll | hi |
| 01:08.05 | Vme- | Can samba support the file permission to write to the disk for new files, but not delete any current files?? |
| 01:08.32 | lunitik | Vme-: you probably want #samba |
| 01:08.52 | Vme- | didn't know it was a channel :) |
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| 01:09.16 | slept | Vme, thats not sambas job |
| 01:09.18 | lunitik | Vme-: most major projects have there own channels :) |
| 01:09.25 | abrotman | slept: it can be |
| 01:09.40 | Vme- | cool |
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| 01:09.41 | Vme- | thanks! |
| 01:09.58 | slept | Vme-, yes but it would be easier to do it directly with the filesystem ... |
| 01:10.06 | Vme- | well |
| 01:10.39 | sll | I have debian 64 testing... gnome rest suspended sometimes, anybody knows why? |
| 01:10.53 | Vme- | i'm mounting another drive that is NTFS with ntfs-3g and I want to share it out and it has a bunch of pictures/music/etc... that is really important to me and I don't want to accidently delete it... |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | make it read-only |
| 01:11.28 | Vme- | i want to be able to write to it |
| 01:11.55 | odla | Vme-: i don't think you can have both |
| 01:12.03 | Vme- | hrm |
| 01:12.06 | slept | Vme-, set the sticky bit to the directory and exclude that user in samba |
| 01:12.21 | slept | the owner |
| 01:13.28 | slept | but try first with some useless files i am not 100% sure or you can set an option for samba that forces the owner and user for a file so after writing data the other attributes apply give me asecond ... |
| 01:13.55 | Vme- | interesting |
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| 01:14.42 | olskolirc | i don't remember how to take server name and convert it to ip address |
| 01:14.45 | olskolirc | help please |
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| 01:15.23 | Kvant | olskolirc, host dns.name |
| 01:15.26 | slept | Vme-, you can set inherit owner = yes for a share then the files will be owned by the directory owner |
| 01:15.30 | olskolirc | ok |
| 01:15.48 | Malagmyr | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:15.50 | Tsugaru | olskolirc: you could just ping it and see what ip it says |
| 01:16.03 | abrotman | host, nslookup, dig |
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| 01:16.26 | olskolirc | Host GRN-CSR-040.tlsp.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 01:16.27 | slept | Vme-, then set the creatmask to 755 i guess that would be enough ... but still try it first with things you don't need |
| 01:16.34 | olskolirc | it didn't werk |
| 01:16.46 | olskolirc | ok Tsugaru |
| 01:16.53 | abrotman | PA schools can't be that bad |
| 01:17.46 | abrotman | or it's not the full hostname |
| 01:18.03 | Malagmyr | Vme-: try adding force user= and force group= to the share specification? |
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| 01:20.11 | olskolirc | i tried all of those abrotman, dead end |
| 01:20.26 | abrotman | olskolirc: is it the full hostname ? |
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| 01:21.01 | olskolirc | yes abrotman |
| 01:21.31 | slept | Malagmyr, Vme- you have to check on that this will just change the euid as far as i know , i think it will not change the ownership of the newly written files ... |
| 01:21.40 | abrotman | where did you get it from ? |
| 01:22.11 | olskolirc | ummmm |
| 01:22.16 | olskolirc | n/m :-) |
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| 01:26.37 | slept | Vme-, you might want to use swat gives you a lot of options and a good structured online help - anyway good luck |
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| 01:27.33 | slept | Vme-, if that is not enough /msg dpkg acl but that might be an overkill,... |
| 01:29.01 | g333k | Hi, the repo that dpkg recommend to download quake from is down right? or maybe the info is aout of date |
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| 01:29.11 | Vme- | thanks |
| 01:29.29 | Vme- | is there a way to test your fstab without rebooting? |
| 01:29.40 | Vme- | i just changed a line in it and want to see if it worked correctly |
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| 01:29.59 | GrimWald | mount -a |
| 01:30.07 | molinero | Hi GrimWald |
| 01:30.27 | GrimWald | hi ^^ |
| 01:30.32 | Vme- | sweet |
| 01:30.35 | Vme- | thanks! |
| 01:30.44 | GrimWald | ;) |
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| 01:32.18 | Vme- | is there any rule of thumb when mounting another HD that contains info?? should i mount it with the UID as root and a distinct group?? |
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| 01:32.39 | g333k | quake! |
| 01:32.46 | g333k | !quake |
| 01:32.46 | dpkg | i heard quake is one of the few decent games for linux! Test packages of quake (including glquake) are aptable from "deb http://www.debian.org/%7Eknghtbrd/ quake/" or game that makes you puke;; newbies' guide for quake here: http://www.cheatersguild.com/quake/strategyguide.htm |
| 01:33.00 | watercooler | well... i need help.... |
| 01:33.04 | g333k | that info is out of date |
| 01:33.19 | dondelelcaro | Vme-: depends on what you want to do with the information; unless you know for sure what the drive has, you generally want to mount it nosuid,noexec,nodev |
| 01:33.23 | watercooler | nvidia propriatary drivers |
| 01:33.38 | watercooler | how to... |
| 01:34.22 | Vme- | is that "default" |
| 01:34.34 | Vme- | or do i need to specify in /etc/fstab? |
| 01:34.50 | watercooler | brb |
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| 01:35.06 | dondelelcaro | Vme-: you need to specify it on the mount command, or in fstab. |
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| 01:35.34 | krazykit | *glee* |
| 01:35.51 | krazykit | finally, i can back up my junk and get rid of ubuntu on the desktop |
| 01:36.09 | krazykit | this is what i get for not making seperate /home partitions >:-( |
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| 01:37.29 | franki | hello, can i use syslog-ng for loggin log files from different servers which have syslogd running? |
| 01:37.44 | dondelelcaro | franki: yes. |
| 01:38.19 | franki | dondelelcaro the logs from the clients do not arrive the log server |
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| 01:38.36 | dondelelcaro | !real question |
| 01:38.37 | dpkg | Please tell us what the real problem is instead of wasting our time asking questions about things that you think are related to the problem. If you don't, you're just wasting your time and ours. [Far too often what you think is related to the problem actually isn't or won't help you solve your problem at all.] |
| 01:39.49 | abrotman | flash sucks |
| 01:40.13 | krazykit | abrotman: yes, but it was worse with flash 7 |
| 01:40.20 | helo | what is a good way to get X to start up automatically on boot? |
| 01:40.23 | abrotman | it still doesn't work with flash9 |
| 01:40.25 | helo | with a user logged in |
| 01:40.35 | abrotman | gdm has an option for that |
| 01:40.38 | krazykit | abrotman: ah, that's lame. |
| 01:40.39 | helo | without using gdm. |
| 01:40.54 | abrotman | well .. why without gdm ? |
| 01:40.54 | dondelelcaro | helo: either use a DM, or run something like su - foouser startx; in your inittab. |
| 01:40.55 | helo | i'm running off of a 512MB CF card, so i'm a little space limited :) |
| 01:41.03 | abrotman | oh jeez |
| 01:41.07 | dondelelcaro | helo: but doing this is totally not recommended at all. |
| 01:41.13 | abrotman | krazykit: you'd think one of them would work darn it |
| 01:41.21 | krazykit | abrotman: one of what, anyway |
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| 01:41.39 | helo | dondelelcaro: because of security? |
| 01:41.44 | krazykit | abrotman: i bet it works in windows and macos :-P |
| 01:41.44 | abrotman | krazykit: one browser has one flash .. the other has a different .. neither work |
| 01:41.51 | abrotman | krazykit: you think ? |
| 01:41.57 | dondelelcaro | helo: if you have to ask... |
| 01:42.05 | watercooler | so... i have the latest etch installed... now how do i get the nvidia driver going? |
| 01:42.21 | odla | !nvidia one-liner |
| 01:42.22 | dpkg | rumour has it, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 01:42.43 | odla | !tell watercooler about etch nvidia |
| 01:42.55 | krazykit | abrotman: 'specially sucks that you can't troubleshoot flash more than, "is it in the right directory?" |
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| 01:43.15 | abrotman | krazykit: i'd just like one to work damn it |
| 01:43.24 | watercooler | well you jsut confused the shit out of me.. fast |
| 01:43.31 | krazykit | you're on x86, right? |
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| 01:44.11 | abrotman | woohoo .. newversion |
| 01:44.12 | franki | i do not get any other syslog messages recorded except sshd and cron not even syslog-ng restart messages are stored in the logs, is there a good documentation for syslog-ng anywhere_ |
| 01:44.28 | krazykit | franki: man syslog-ng ? |
| 01:45.08 | watercooler | and the one liner did nothing.... |
| 01:45.27 | franki | i coulnd't find anything in the man,which could help |
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| 01:45.52 | krazykit | holy crap, hard drives get hot |
| 01:46.29 | abrotman | they spin fast |
| 01:46.47 | watercooler | and why is it every other package i try to instll with apt ask me to insert the cdrom... |
| 01:46.53 | watercooler | i did a net install |
| 01:47.21 | watercooler | nvm |
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| 01:47.26 | abrotman | nope .. new flash is no better |
| 01:47.59 | watercooler | just comented out the cdrom part |
| 01:48.09 | krazykit | watercooler: ah, you beat me to my suggestion |
| 01:48.29 | watercooler | grrr |
| 01:48.43 | krazykit | grrr, i hate fscking my drives |
| 01:48.43 | watercooler | the one liner still isnt working |
| 01:48.53 | krazykit | watercooler: do each command one at a time |
| 01:49.00 | krazykit | each thing between && is a command |
| 01:49.07 | krazykit | tell us which one fails |
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| 01:50.24 | watercooler | m-a a-i nvidia is the one it fails on |
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| 01:51.16 | krazykit | hm. i'm afraid i'm entirely unfamiliar with module assisstant |
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| 01:51.43 | watercooler | great |
| 01:52.18 | watercooler | cus im geting sick of this 600x400 resolutino |
| 01:52.26 | watercooler | on my nice widescreen monitor |
| 01:52.47 | watercooler | cant relly do anything |
| 01:53.28 | dvs | watercooler: vesa doesn't work? |
| 01:53.40 | watercooler | not relly |
| 01:53.57 | watercooler | jsut kicks me into the 1024 780 |
| 01:54.12 | watercooler | even though i ad my 168-x1050 |
| 01:54.22 | watercooler | 1680* |
| 01:54.50 | dvs | watercooler: and you can't configure a 1680x1050 screen? |
| 01:55.08 | watercooler | i put it in my xorg.conf |
| 01:55.12 | watercooler | it wount use it |
| 01:55.15 | watercooler | :/ |
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| 01:55.28 | watercooler | that and i will want beyrl/xgl |
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| 01:55.40 | watercooler | beryl* |
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| 01:57.54 | d4m3ntz | watercooler, whats your driver? |
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| 01:58.30 | watercooler | the nv |
| 01:58.37 | d4m3ntz | why dont you use nvidia? |
| 01:58.50 | watercooler | and i want the propriatary nvidia |
| 01:58.51 | abrotman | don't start |
| 01:59.04 | watercooler | and thats what im working on.... |
| 01:59.08 | d4m3ntz | ah |
| 01:59.10 | Vme- | /dev/hdb1 /mnt/media ntfs-3g umask=0022 0 0 |
| 01:59.28 | Vme- | any user can still r/w to that share?? |
| 01:59.29 | d4m3ntz | let me find something that will help you |
| 01:59.44 | Vme- | drwxr-xr-x 1 root root 114688 2006-11-27 14:48 media |
| 01:59.53 | Vme- | i'm trying to prevent that |
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| 02:00.13 | d4m3ntz | watercooler, http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh |
| 02:00.18 | d4m3ntz | run that in init 3 |
| 02:00.29 | d4m3ntz | it will download the latest nvidia driver and install it and set up xorg.conf for you |
| 02:00.31 | abrotman | there is no init 3 in debian |
| 02:00.34 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 02:00.34 | d4m3ntz | oh |
| 02:00.34 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 02:00.38 | d4m3ntz | well what is equivalent? |
| 02:00.40 | watercooler | :o |
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| 02:00.44 | d4m3ntz | init 2? |
| 02:00.44 | abrotman | there is .. but it's no different than 2 |
| 02:00.52 | d4m3ntz | ok |
| 02:00.53 | abrotman | or 3 or 4 or 5 |
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| 02:01.04 | watercooler | wth.. abrotman |
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| 02:01.13 | d4m3ntz | ok well just stop X |
| 02:01.13 | watercooler | your words confuse me |
| 02:01.13 | abrotman | watercooler: wth wtf omgwtfbbq! |
| 02:01.19 | watercooler | ... |
| 02:01.24 | d4m3ntz | or like whatever windowmanager you use |
| 02:01.26 | watercooler | k... brb |
| 02:01.35 | d4m3ntz | ctrl+alt+f1 works right? |
| 02:01.41 | watercooler | yeah eyah |
| 02:01.42 | abrotman | watercooler: see the above URL |
| 02:01.43 | d4m3ntz | ok cool |
| 02:01.47 | watercooler | i used to use slackware |
| 02:01.57 | d4m3ntz | just do that and run the script as root |
| 02:01.57 | abrotman | stop trying to use kanotix stuff on debian .. kanotix is NOT debian |
| 02:02.10 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, its basically debian sid |
| 02:02.12 | watercooler | brb |
| 02:02.16 | abrotman | d4m3ntz: no .. it's not |
| 02:02.19 | d4m3ntz | he uses the same packages |
| 02:02.51 | d4m3ntz | theres just a few extra specialist scripts |
| 02:03.06 | abrotman | then it's not debian now is it ? |
| 02:03.46 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, the files and configs are in the same place |
| 02:03.50 | d4m3ntz | because it uses the same packages |
| 02:03.54 | abrotman | dude .. you just told him to init 3 |
| 02:04.03 | abrotman | apparently the configs aren't the same |
| 02:04.16 | d4m3ntz | init 2 to 4 are the same in kanotix |
| 02:04.30 | d4m3ntz | ok the only thing that would be different is restarting the window manager and changing init levels |
| 02:04.32 | d4m3ntz | thats it |
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| 02:05.00 | watercooler | well.. it said "done!" |
| 02:05.27 | d4m3ntz | ok, any difference? |
| 02:05.31 | watercooler | not yet |
| 02:05.46 | d4m3ntz | well check xorg.conf |
| 02:05.49 | d4m3ntz | im pretty sure its set up |
| 02:05.51 | watercooler | yeah |
| 02:05.56 | d4m3ntz | with the nvidia driver at least |
| 02:06.11 | d4m3ntz | cool |
| 02:06.16 | abrotman | but will it work?!?! |
| 02:06.23 | d4m3ntz | idk, check glxgears or some 3d application |
| 02:06.29 | abrotman | that's not a benchmakr |
| 02:06.32 | abrotman | benchmark |
| 02:06.43 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, its opengl, thats aall you need to test |
| 02:06.58 | abrotman | glxgears works on a 486 with a Cirrus Logic card .. not much of a test |
| 02:06.58 | wireddd | is there a debian logo icon somewhere in a default install? |
| 02:07.03 | watercooler | no it still says nv as the driver |
| 02:07.20 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, yes i just remembered, it runs through software too =\ |
| 02:07.20 | watercooler | i think i need the nvidia configure script |
| 02:07.31 | abrotman | any more pearls of wisdom? :) |
| 02:07.34 | d4m3ntz | oh, change driver to nvidia |
| 02:07.41 | d4m3ntz | and restart X |
| 02:07.56 | watercooler | brb |
| 02:07.59 | watercooler | i hope |
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| 02:10.40 | Nach | Is it just me or does the DOM Inspector for Ice Weasel not appear anywhere? |
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| 02:12.00 | watercooler | nope |
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| 02:12.34 | watercooler | got said the driver "nvidia" didnt exist |
| 02:12.49 | wireddd | watercooler, you have to install it |
| 02:12.56 | watercooler | ... |
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| 02:13.08 | watercooler | how long have you been in the room? |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 02:13.10 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 02:13.32 | krazykit | er, should etch's installer take forever to delete a 160 gig partition? doesn't seem like it... |
| 02:13.54 | abrotman | that's kind of big |
| 02:14.00 | abrotman | yay .. more flash sucks |
| 02:14.20 | dvs | abrotman: so stop flashing... please! ;-) |
| 02:14.31 | abrotman | it's everywhere! |
| 02:14.34 | krazykit | abrotman: yeah... but... maybe i'm just really impatient :-/ |
| 02:14.54 | abrotman | you're deleting it .. or overwriting it ? |
| 02:15.05 | krazykit | deleting it |
| 02:15.24 | dnm48091 | the other day I was using stumble upon and came to a site that had a error message pop up saying I was using the wrong OS , hehe |
| 02:15.41 | krazykit | wait... |
| 02:15.47 | krazykit | i had hit "erase data" |
| 02:15.48 | krazykit | ... |
| 02:15.51 | abrotman | yay! |
| 02:15.52 | krazykit | dammit! |
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| 02:16.03 | abrotman | that will only take .. a few hours :) |
| 02:16.22 | abrotman | probably shorter to restart the installer :) |
| 02:16.27 | watercooler | ok abrotman.... i went to that link and wrote thoes srouses.. |
| 02:16.31 | watercooler | now what? |
| 02:16.32 | krazykit | abrotman: yeah, already did |
| 02:16.37 | dnm48091 | why oh why would you build a site that is IE only with tons of flash |
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| 02:16.40 | abrotman | wtf is on a 160GB partition ? |
| 02:16.48 | abrotman | dnm48091: try yakima.com |
| 02:16.51 | abrotman | watercooler: you did what ? |
| 02:16.55 | krazykit | abrotman: home folder |
| 02:17.04 | abrotman | krazykit: you don't like your /home/ ? |
| 02:17.09 | watercooler | the link.... |
| 02:17.20 | krazykit | abrotman: it's backed up already... |
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| 02:17.23 | watercooler | when you said !etch nvidia |
| 02:17.26 | abrotman | oh ok |
| 02:17.35 | krazykit | certain things are fuxed, so it's easier to make a new one and copy stuff over as needed |
| 02:17.46 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 02:17.47 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 02:17.49 | abrotman | that doesn't work ? |
| 02:18.32 | watercooler | no |
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| 02:18.43 | dnm48091 | nice site if you like a nice white box , with screwed up wallpaper |
| 02:18.43 | olskolirc | those instructions never worked for me. i wjust went to nvidia.com and got my drivers. it's awsome |
| 02:18.48 | olskolirc | nice install too |
| 02:18.55 | abrotman | dnm48091: that's my point |
| 02:19.31 | watercooler | pfft |
| 02:19.45 | watercooler | the nvidia installer keeps giving me errors |
| 02:19.54 | onetinsoldier | dnm48091: they're bummed they couldn't get the spyware installed on your OS/IE.. ;) |
| 02:20.04 | watercooler | how do grab the kernel sources? |
| 02:20.21 | dvs | watercooler: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
| 02:20.22 | watercooler | i cant remember |
| 02:20.26 | watercooler | ok |
| 02:20.41 | abrotman | this will go poorly :) |
| 02:20.48 | dvs | probably |
| 02:20.52 | watercooler | E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.17-2-486 |
| 02:21.03 | dvs | watercooler: apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.17 |
| 02:21.09 | dvs | oh etch? |
| 02:21.14 | watercooler | yes |
| 02:21.16 | dvs | watercooler: apt-get install linux-source-2.6.17 |
| 02:21.38 | dnm48091 | here is a decent guide > http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html |
| 02:21.40 | watercooler | there |
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| 02:22.09 | watercooler | etch was the only one that would recognise my ata drive |
| 02:22.16 | watercooler | sata* |
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| 02:22.46 | krazykit | really? |
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| 02:23.07 | krazykit | my sata drive was recognized fine way back in 2.6.8, if not earlier |
| 02:23.10 | watercooler | brb i hope |
| 02:23.32 | d4m3ntz | lol, that guy used the wrong script i guess |
| 02:23.37 | d4m3ntz | he said "done!" |
| 02:23.41 | d4m3ntz | none of kano's scripts do that... |
| 02:23.49 | d4m3ntz | oh well |
| 02:23.49 | dvs | krazykit: it must not be an Intel 9xx chipset |
| 02:24.12 | krazykit | dvs: uh, it's an intel mobo, but i don't remember what it is off the top of my head |
| 02:24.26 | krazykit | and my manual is probably 4 hours away |
| 02:24.49 | dvs | krazykit: lspci | grep -i bridge |
| 02:25.17 | krazykit | currently installing :-P |
| 02:25.28 | krazykit | oh, <3 busybox |
| 02:25.41 | krazykit | intel 925x |
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| 02:26.42 | abrotman | d4m3ntz: so maybe you shouldn't recommend them for Debian systems? |
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| 02:27.22 | d4m3ntz | abrotman: [20:09:00] <Kano> script was tested even with ubuntu already |
| 02:27.30 | abrotman | so what? |
| 02:27.30 | Vme- | if i have two computer and i want a directory on computer A backed up to computers B every night, but only the files that have been changed or added, is there a program to do something like this?? |
| 02:27.38 | abrotman | d4m3ntz: those are NOT debian .. it is irrelevant |
| 02:27.51 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, it IS debian |
| 02:27.55 | abrotman | NO IT IS NOT |
| 02:28.02 | d4m3ntz | kanotix is a snapshot of debian UNSTABLE |
| 02:28.08 | abrotman | debian is debian .. kanotix is not .. ubuntu is not .. knoppix is not .. |
| 02:28.17 | abrotman | i'm sorry your brain can't comprehend that .. but it's true |
| 02:28.23 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, ok it is not debian in your sense |
| 02:28.28 | d4m3ntz | but it follows the exact same layout |
| 02:28.31 | abrotman | in a normal sense |
| 02:28.31 | odla | what about skolelinux? |
| 02:28.32 | d4m3ntz | filesystem and everything |
| 02:28.34 | abrotman | it's not debian |
| 02:28.39 | abrotman | idiot |
| 02:28.44 | d4m3ntz | well guess what |
| 02:28.45 | Gnurdux | d4m3ntz, its debian-BASED |
| 02:29.06 | Gnurdux | its NOT just a custom installation of debian; you can't create it with the debian installer |
| 02:29.19 | Gnurdux | so not everything in kanotix is the same as debian |
| 02:29.30 | d4m3ntz | Gnurdux, but it uses basically debian repos |
| 02:29.38 | odla | i.e. the kernel is different |
| 02:29.39 | abrotman | so .. NOT DEBIAN |
| 02:29.40 | d4m3ntz | and the kanotix one for fixes incase anything comes in that borks things |
| 02:29.53 | Gnurdux | d4m3ntz, but hardware detection e.g. is different |
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| 02:30.11 | d4m3ntz | Gnurdux, but the level of compatibility of debs is exactly the same |
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| 02:30.19 | odla | omg 2 episodes of coronation street? edmonton really is hell |
| 02:30.20 | Gnurdux | for packages yes |
| 02:30.20 | d4m3ntz | what borks debian systems with ubuntu packages does the same in kanotix |
| 02:30.30 | dondelelcaro | d4m3ntz: even adding a single package which is not Debian can make a system completely incompatible with Debian. |
| 02:30.30 | Gnurdux | but ever heard of RTFT> |
| 02:30.38 | Gnurdux | i doubt it cause i just made it up |
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| 02:30.45 | Gnurdux | but READ THE FUCKING TOPIC |
| 02:30.48 | watercooler | some progress but still no |
| 02:30.52 | Gnurdux | its not #ubuntu |
| 02:31.00 | Gnurdux | similarly, its not #kanotix |
| 02:31.09 | dondelelcaro | d4m3ntz: in any event, we're here to support Debian and the packages that come with Debian, not derivatives of Debian or unofficial Debian packages. |
| 02:31.23 | abrotman | or random scripts from #kanotix |
| 02:31.26 | Gnurdux | its incompatible enough that it can be frustrating trying to helpsomeone who uses kanotix |
| 02:31.27 | d4m3ntz | ok ok, ill be quiet |
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| 02:32.17 | watercooler | i got the nvidia scrip to work a little bit further |
| 02:32.41 | watercooler | then it asked for the Xorg sdk/development and pkg-config |
| 02:33.01 | watercooler | i got pkg-config now where is the Xorg sdk? |
| 02:33.11 | watercooler | or how do get it? |
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| 02:33.19 | vchrizz | hi |
| 02:33.31 | onetinsoldier | xorg-dev |
| 02:33.31 | d4m3ntz | apt-cache search |
| 02:33.32 | d4m3ntz | oh yes |
| 02:33.33 | watercooler | k |
| 02:33.42 | d4m3ntz | was trying to remember |
| 02:34.25 | watercooler | ok brb |
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| 02:37.19 | vchrizz | im installing amd64 etch into a chroot; i want to install grub but in debian-amd64/pool/main/g/grub/ ive got only a 32bit deb file for sarge which i cant run? |
| 02:37.36 | bintut | hello all.. i have a bind9 setup here on my debian etch box.. used as an internal dns.. but everytime i tried to "dig" any hostname, i got this kind of result: ;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: REFUSED, id: 37760 |
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| 02:37.48 | watercooler | so close |
| 02:37.56 | bintut | anyone can tell me what's the problem with my bind9 setup? |
| 02:38.12 | abrotman | it's broken! |
| 02:38.15 | watercooler | the nvidia diver installed without giving me an error |
| 02:38.27 | abrotman | bintut: there's a #bind |
| 02:38.39 | watercooler | but i still dont get the nvidia splash screen |
| 02:38.42 | bintut | abrotman: they're all sleeping.. :( |
| 02:39.10 | d4m3ntz | watercooler, are you sure your using etch? |
| 02:39.11 | watercooler | and im still stuck with 600x400 ses |
| 02:39.16 | watercooler | yes.. |
| 02:39.23 | d4m3ntz | just wondering =) |
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| 02:39.36 | bintut | abrotman: bind9 is running but when trying to dig from any host in the lan, i got a status of REFUSED.. why's that so? |
| 02:39.53 | watercooler | do i need to do a modprobe something or other? |
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| 02:40.06 | d4m3ntz | no, the script i gave you should have done it all at once |
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| 02:40.13 | d4m3ntz | it was tested on pure etch... |
| 02:40.20 | watercooler | well it didnt do anything |
| 02:40.21 | d4m3ntz | the only reason it wouldnt work if you were using sarge or something not debian |
| 02:40.41 | d4m3ntz | chmod +x install-nvidia-debian.sh |
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| 02:40.50 | watercooler | ... |
| 02:40.53 | abrotman | oh for the love of god |
| 02:40.54 | watercooler | the script ran.. |
| 02:40.57 | d4m3ntz | oh |
| 02:40.58 | d4m3ntz | heheh |
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| 02:41.08 | watercooler | and didnt do anyting |
| 02:41.19 | abrotman | maybe because the script wasn't made for Debian |
| 02:41.19 | n3kl | Ya know how you can add more terminals in /etc/inittab, well is there any way to make those changes happen without rebooting |
| 02:41.22 | n3kl | ? |
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| 02:41.38 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, it was tested successfully on debian etch |
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| 02:41.47 | Azar | nvidia for sarge works perfect, with etch there is a workaround |
| 02:41.53 | abrotman | n3kl: maybe sighup init |
| 02:41.56 | watercooler | great... |
| 02:41.57 | abrotman | d4m3ntz: when ? |
| 02:42.02 | abrotman | etch changes daily |
| 02:42.10 | watercooler | wonderfull |
| 02:42.10 | Gnurdux | is there any way to check if SLI with the nvidia driver is working? (not really debian specific, but does anyone know)> |
| 02:42.17 | abrotman | Gnurdux: ask #nvidia |
| 02:42.27 | d4m3ntz | abrotman, lately |
| 02:42.31 | abrotman | oh goodie |
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| 02:42.35 | watercooler | im on rc1 |
| 02:42.41 | abrotman | so a script not made for etch was tested on etch "lately" |
| 02:42.55 | d4m3ntz | not sure when it was tested, but it works... |
| 02:43.05 | abrotman | worked ... |
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| 02:43.32 | d4m3ntz | brb, bathroom break, that tea hit the spot |
| 02:43.39 | abrotman | watercooler: look in your X log .. look in your X config .. make sure the modules are being loaded |
| 02:43.48 | Azar | since etch changes daily, stick with sarge for around two more months until the etch gets officially released |
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| 02:43.59 | watercooler | how? |
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| 02:44.06 | abrotman | how what ? |
| 02:44.15 | abrotman | ehj20: you're broken? |
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| 02:44.26 | watercooler | where is the log? |
| 02:44.30 | abrotman | /var/log/ |
| 02:44.32 | n3kl | abrotman: is that a joke? You have helped me a bunch, so you are higher on the ladder, but that seems like it will crash my system, no? |
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| 02:44.40 | watercooler | and the name of it? |
| 02:44.46 | onetinsoldier | watercooler" less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 02:44.50 | abrotman | n3kl: if you like .. i'll do it to mine now :) |
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| 02:45.14 | n3kl | abrotman: no, thats fine. PS, thanks for all the help in the past |
| 02:45.14 | abrotman | see .. no harm! |
| 02:45.26 | abrotman | n3kl: i really don't think it will work .. but itmight |
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| 02:46.04 | Azar | thats a bot |
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| 02:46.08 | abrotman | n3kl: /etc/init.d/console-screen.sh |
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| 02:46.37 | Azar | or some rejoin script |
| 02:46.51 | n3kl | abrotman: do you know any good debian books? |
| 02:46.54 | watercooler | ban the fucker |
| 02:46.59 | abrotman | n3kl: a bunch on the website |
| 02:47.03 | watercooler | :) |
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| 02:47.21 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/doc/books |
| 02:47.24 | Azar | well if the ops consider he is a nuisance he will go |
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| 02:47.47 | n3kl | abrotman: thanks |
| 02:48.02 | SeanTater | Is anyone else having problems installing python2.5 on recent etch? |
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| 02:48.54 | SeanTater | !paste > me |
| 02:48.55 | dpkg | > me: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 02:49.01 | n3kl | debian is nice |
| 02:49.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:49.26 | Scorp1us | h, all I am stuck, i tried to do a upgrade, but I get this: http://pastebin.ca/261307 |
| 02:49.26 | n3kl | I have to say its one of the best that I have used |
| 02:49.37 | odla | !nickometer odla |
| 02:49.39 | dpkg | 'odla' is 0.000% lame, odla |
| 02:49.45 | Scorp1us | I can't figure out how to resolve the apt-get conflict |
| 02:50.00 | odla | wow how about that =) |
| 02:50.12 | Azar | Scorp1us: before you try to upgrade the Debian version you should read how to prepare for that upgrade |
| 02:50.17 | SeanTater | !nickometer SeanTater |
| 02:50.18 | dpkg | 'SeanTater' is 0.000% lame, seantater |
| 02:50.49 | Scorp1us | well I was trign to isntall postgres, and everything I had was out of date |
| 02:50.51 | SeanTater | Here's the output of apt when it fails to install python2.5: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4634 anything I need to do? |
| 02:51.11 | n3kl | I went to the book store the other day and found the only debian book on the shelf and bought it, I don't see it in that list, nor do I know if I like it |
| 02:51.14 | Azar | SeanTater: to what did you try to upgrade? to Etch? |
| 02:51.18 | abrotman | !btssmite SeanTater |
| 02:51.21 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: i will not give any gaurantees about the outcome in the end, but i can get you past the error if you want |
| 02:51.30 | Scorp1us | please do |
| 02:51.35 | Azar | err.. sorry, SeanTater I was asking Scorp1us |
| 02:51.37 | Scorp1us | i'll deal with the carnage later |
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| 02:51.55 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: ok.. one moment |
| 02:52.02 | Scorp1us | I don't use X on the box much, so i don't care |
| 02:52.15 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: ok.. sounds good |
| 02:52.19 | SeanTater | Azar: no, I simply did sudo apt-get install python2.5 on a recently upgraded etch machine (on from sarge or anything, just to keep up with etch's package changes) |
| 02:52.22 | Vme- | if i have two computer and i want a directory on computer A backed up to computers B every night, but only the files that have been changed or added, is there a program to do something like this?? |
| 02:52.22 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: cd /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 02:52.29 | SeanTater | Azar: oops |
| 02:52.36 | SeanTater | Azar: I cought your note a bit late |
| 02:52.40 | Scorp1us | k |
| 02:52.51 | Azar | SeanTater: sorry for bothering you, you can participate with bugs reports too :) |
| 02:52.52 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: dpkg -i --force-overwrite xlibs-static-dev_4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1_i386.deb |
| 02:53.12 | Scorp1us | kewl. looks like it took |
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| 02:53.21 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: ok.. good deal |
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| 02:53.34 | Scorp1us | thanks. that was easier than I thought |
| 02:53.41 | watercooler | well that script worked |
| 02:53.44 | onetinsoldier | Scorp1us: you're welcome :) |
| 02:53.46 | watercooler | i have nvidea installed |
| 02:53.48 | jmd | How do I set up my debian box to compensate for daylight saving? |
| 02:53.52 | watercooler | the driver* |
| 02:54.05 | watercooler | but it wtill wont use my resolution |
| 02:54.08 | Tsugaru | you can check glxinfo |
| 02:54.16 | Tsugaru | argh, nvm that last bit |
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| 02:55.11 | watercooler | its still useing 1680x1050 |
| 02:55.13 | watercooler | err |
| 02:55.22 | watercooler | 1024x780 |
| 02:55.30 | watercooler | and i want 1680x1050 |
| 02:55.34 | onetinsoldier | jmd: perhaps install ntpdate? i do not know if that alone will take care of it. |
| 02:55.39 | d4m3ntz | are you sure thats the resolution? |
| 02:55.46 | d4m3ntz | this laptop im using goes up to 1400x1050 |
| 02:55.53 | d4m3ntz | never heard of 1680x1050 |
| 02:55.53 | watercooler | im sure |
| 02:56.00 | d4m3ntz | widescreen im guessing? |
| 02:56.02 | watercooler | i got anew monitor |
| 02:56.04 | watercooler | yes |
| 02:56.07 | jmd | onetinsoldier: I've got ntpdate installed. But that has absolutely nothing to do with dst. |
| 02:56.24 | onetinsoldier | jmd: oh.. i see. well, now i know |
| 02:56.43 | Azar | jmd, I guess this was an un-planned dst , right? |
| 02:56.45 | d4m3ntz | watercooler, under Section "Module" in xorg.conf |
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| 02:56.57 | d4m3ntz | is there: Load "ddc" |
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| 02:57.32 | watercooler | yes |
| 02:57.43 | onetinsoldier | man tzconfig mentions handling dst.... hmmmm, still reading |
| 02:57.47 | watercooler | should i coment it out? |
| 02:57.51 | d4m3ntz | no |
| 02:57.55 | Azar | jmd what I ment was that the govt woke up this morning and decided that dst, and nobody got prepared for, right? |
| 02:57.58 | jmd | Azar: Well I didn't plan it. Neither did most of my state. In fact a referendum some years ago came up with a resounding NO. But the government decided to do it anywat. |
| 02:58.13 | olskolirc | is Darwin macintosh X? |
| 02:58.14 | jmd | Azar: Yes. That's a good summary. |
| 02:58.16 | watercooler | so now what... |
| 02:58.21 | Azar | .. and now nobody has a setup for adjusting the time.. |
| 02:58.29 | abrotman | ask #opendarwin |
| 02:58.31 | d4m3ntz | im not sure how to get monitors autodetected in etch |
| 02:58.34 | olskolirc | ok |
| 02:58.35 | d4m3ntz | someone here should know |
| 02:58.40 | Azar | jmd I guess you guys will have to go in "manual" mode for one year then |
| 02:58.47 | pipeline | olskolirc: Mostly. Darwin doesn't come with any of the graphics bits. No quartz, no display postscript. It sucks just as much as OSX, but has even worse graphics options. |
| 02:58.56 | jmd | So what's "Manual Mode"? |
| 02:59.15 | Azar | jmd far as I remember is "date" or "time" |
| 03:00.17 | watercooler | well its on a dvi cable if that might help anything.. |
| 03:00.17 | jmd | Hmmm. That set's the date/time. I want the system time to stay the same. I just want the local offset from UTC to advance 1 hour. |
| 03:00.22 | watercooler | if thats like still crap to us linux users or womething |
| 03:00.27 | olskolirc | ohhh ok pipeline thanks |
| 03:00.28 | onetinsoldier | jmd: what if you used tzconfig to change yout timezone? |
| 03:00.39 | onetinsoldier | think that would work? |
| 03:01.08 | onetinsoldier | ot tzselect maybe |
| 03:01.14 | onetinsoldier | or* |
| 03:01.14 | d4m3ntz | watercooler, i dont know why its going down to that resolution |
| 03:01.28 | Azar | jmd, there might be little apps there for adjusting the time |
| 03:01.33 | d4m3ntz | all i can guess is that your xorg.conf has something in it preventing it from going up that high |
| 03:02.01 | pipeline | olskolirc: The darwin source code is *definitely* worth looking at. It is the best possible example of how NOT to engineer software. A complete fucking disaster. Makes the Linux kernel look like fine art. |
| 03:02.09 | jmd | onetinsoldier: Well not really. |
| 03:02.18 | pipeline | olskolirc: As an added bonus, it's a completely different design from the linux kernel :P |
| 03:02.20 | onetinsoldier | :( |
| 03:02.33 | Gnurdux | pipeline, so the linux kernel is badly programmed? |
| 03:02.37 | onetinsoldier | sorry, don't know then |
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| 03:02.53 | pipeline | Gnurdux: Some parts are, some parts aren't. |
| 03:03.17 | pipeline | Gnurdux: No software is perfect. Most software isn't even very good. |
| 03:03.20 | faust_ | Compared to other available kernels, the Linux kernel isn't all that shoddy. |
| 03:03.28 | jmd | onetinsoldier: When I select my region I get. Local time is now: Wed Nov 29 11:03:18 WST 2006. |
| 03:03.28 | jmd | Universal Time is now: Wed Nov 29 03:03:18 UTC 2006. |
| 03:03.33 | watercooler | although the gui for nvidia works |
| 03:03.39 | jmd | which won't be true next week. |
| 03:03.44 | watercooler | unlike in ubuntu thrugh automatix2 |
| 03:03.49 | faust_ | I mean, the ntkrnl that Window is on is horrible, the Mach-kernel that's under all the BSD libs in OSX is a mess... |
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| 03:04.06 | pipeline | faust_: Uh, what? |
| 03:04.25 | pipeline | faust_: The NT kernel is probably the best in use today; it's a marvelously well-thought-out design. |
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| 03:05.02 | faust_ | yes, forgive me. it's just that all the surrounding layers suck :) |
| 03:05.04 | pipeline | faust_: Good design does not correlate well with good results, I'm afraid :) |
| 03:05.26 | onetinsoldier | jmd: sorry, if tzconfig can't get you want you want i personally don't know what will. someone else might, so don't give up. |
| 03:05.29 | faust_ | What really bugs me is, WinXP is on SP2 right now, and it's still on the 2600 kernel.. |
| 03:05.45 | jmd | onetinsoldier: Thanks anyway. |
| 03:05.47 | faust_ | Five years, and not a single bug that needs fixing in the kernel? I refuse to believe that... |
| 03:06.02 | onetinsoldier | jmd: sure... good luck |
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| 03:06.24 | pipeline | faust_: Why? In NT, very little is actually part and parcel of the kernel. Lots of things run IN the kernel but are not part OF the kernel. |
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| 03:06.41 | faust_ | yes, but it's microsoft. |
| 03:06.48 | faust_ | In ten lines of code, there should be at least two bugs. |
| 03:06.58 | faust_ | Otherwise it doesn't get out of beta. |
| 03:07.03 | abrotman | wrong damn channel |
| 03:07.24 | Azar | jmg I use a little app that checks the time accuracy as well , have no idea if it sets up the dst.. I would assume yet |
| 03:07.27 | Azar | yes |
| 03:07.30 | faust_ | abrotman: I know. Sorry, Won't happen again. |
| 03:07.43 | abrotman | just because pipeline owns MS stock :) |
| 03:07.47 | onetinsoldier | Azar: ntpdate? |
| 03:08.08 | pipeline | abrotman: Not any more. I'm pretty well convinced their growth phase is over :) |
| 03:08.10 | faust_ | Hey, if someone came to me 15 years ago and offered me MS stock, I'm not sure it would be such a bad idea :) |
| 03:08.25 | Azar | onetinsoldier: no I am too ashamed to name it |
| 03:08.37 | onetinsoldier | Azar: lol, ok |
| 03:08.54 | Azar | abrotman and stew allways laugh at me hearing that name |
| 03:09.26 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 03:11.12 | dan2 | abrotman: whats up |
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| 03:11.35 | abrotman | dan2: i'm sick |
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| 03:11.47 | dan2 | sick of what? |
| 03:11.50 | dan2 | sick of eating wings? |
| 03:12.15 | dan2 | sick of drinking |
| 03:12.35 | predder | sick in the head obviously |
| 03:13.16 | abrotman | sick dumbass |
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| 03:15.26 | dan2 | abrotman, predder: http://eugeneciurana.com/galereya/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Humor&id=JavaDiscussion |
| 03:15.53 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:19.15 | dan2 | abrotman: http://eugeneciurana.com/galereya/view_photo.php?set_albumName=Humor&id=end_users |
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| 03:20.00 | abrotman | that's supposed to be funny ? |
| 03:20.11 | Scorp1us | ok, one more error: http://pastebin.ca/261322 sysv upgrade issue |
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| 03:20.31 | MamboKing | hello, I'm recovering a root password for debian machine, I've booted up with edubuntu, how can I mount the drive with the debian install on it, its a serial ata drive I've tried moun /dev/sda4 /mnt/temp -t reiserfs however it fails telling me its the wrong fs |
| 03:20.46 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 03:20.46 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 03:20.47 | MamboKing | I've also tried with ext3 and still no dice |
| 03:20.58 | abrotman | !tell MamboKing about ifrp |
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| 03:21.11 | Scorp1us | Mambo, does the new kernel support rieser? |
| 03:21.34 | Scorp1us | mambo, what is the partition type |
| 03:21.39 | MamboKing | according to man mount it does |
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| 03:22.06 | MamboKing | that's what I'm unsure of, I don't know how to determine what file system is on the debian install |
| 03:22.24 | MamboKing | I'm using edubuntu live cd since its debian based |
| 03:22.32 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 03:22.32 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 03:22.37 | MamboKing | I'm hopeing it does support the fs |
| 03:22.46 | Scorp1us | it propably does |
| 03:22.59 | MamboKing | lol, thanks I will try that right now :) |
| 03:23.09 | Scorp1us | fdisk it and check the patition type |
| 03:23.15 | MamboKing | ahh, one sec |
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| 03:24.43 | MamboKing | its type 83, wierd it wouldn't mound when i fed the ext3 argument to it |
| 03:25.28 | Scorp1us | what was the message? |
| 03:25.46 | Scorp1us | the only time it is 83 and doesn't work is if there is a bad superblock |
| 03:25.56 | Scorp1us | but there are backups if that is the case |
| 03:26.13 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 03:26.13 | dpkg | qotd89 is probably <legba7> How do i find out what makes my woody beep and do not stop to beep till i create another beep. |
| 03:26.29 | Scorp1us | mount -t ext3 /dev/xxx /somedir |
| 03:26.45 | tengulre | hi,all |
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| 03:27.01 | Scorp1us | sda4 it seems for you |
| 03:27.02 | tengulre | how to setting RAID0+1 on debian? |
| 03:27.17 | MamboKing | yep, I'll try fsck on it now |
| 03:27.23 | MamboKing | it probably is a bad sb |
| 03:27.51 | Scorp1us | what happened that you are workign on it like this? |
| 03:28.05 | Scorp1us | before you run a fsck, you shoould make a dd of the parition |
| 03:28.08 | olskolirc | why am i having a hard time getting autopackage |
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| 03:28.54 | MamboKing | its debian system running asterisk, which was purchased from a vendor that is no longer in business, my client didn |
| 03:29.01 | nvz_ | for some reason the first gxine/xineui I start is darker than the rest. and if I close the dark one the next one I open will be dark. its weird.. might have something to do with my old nvidia driver |
| 03:29.10 | MamboKing | t realize he could'nt modify the system until i alerted him to it |
| 03:29.31 | MamboKing | so now I'm resetting the root password so he can add extensions to his phone system |
| 03:29.38 | Scorp1us | oh, so it was working |
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| 03:29.41 | h00t | how do i check what packages do i have installed ... is there something like "apt-get list packages" ... can i use wildcards |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | !installed |
| 03:29.53 | dpkg | To list installed packages, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}'; man dpkg; man grep; man awk; If you use aptitude, try aptitude search -F '%100p' '~i!~M'; |
| 03:30.10 | MamboKing | yes it works fine unfortuneately i only have the drive at the moment not the whole system, so I'm iffy about booting it on my box |
| 03:30.23 | MamboKing | its a totally different chipset and architecture |
| 03:30.50 | Scorp1us | well linux handles that better than winders |
| 03:30.54 | MamboKing | what do you mean by another group? |
| 03:30.57 | Scorp1us | but still, you should just mount it |
| 03:31.46 | MamboKing | I was hopeing it would automount :P but I will try the dpkg posted for me |
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| 03:32.16 | Scorp1us | what was the error message? |
| 03:32.45 | MamboKing | Couldn't find ext2 superblock, trying backup blocks... |
| 03:33.03 | MamboKing | that's from fsck, and mount just tells me its the wrong fs or it has bad super blocks |
| 03:33.20 | MamboKing | fsck.ext2: Bad magic number in super-block while trying to open /dev/sda4 |
| 03:33.35 | abrotman | !ifrp |
| 03:33.35 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
| 03:33.52 | MamboKing | i know, I will try that now thanks you abrotman |
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| 03:34.45 | Scorp1us | i recommend making a dd backup of the partition before you fsck |
| 03:34.53 | Scorp1us | you may lose everyrhing |
| 03:35.55 | MamboKing | i agree, I will do that |
| 03:36.01 | peterS | bah dd |
| 03:36.32 | peterS | people should learn that dd is not the be-all and end-all of reading or writing a block device |
| 03:36.33 | abrotman | hrm .. okay |
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| 03:36.59 | Scorp1us | what do you prefer? |
| 03:37.05 | peterS | cat and cp |
| 03:37.18 | abrotman | vi! |
| 03:37.19 | asg | peterS: dd can beatbox though |
| 03:37.20 | peterS | especially for telling n00bs what to do. the syntax is a lot simpler |
| 03:37.20 | Scorp1us | i'll stick to dd :-) |
| 03:37.47 | peterS | Scorp1us: 'cp /dev/fd0 /tmp/fd.img' is a lot easier to explain to a n00b than 'dd if=/dev/fd0 of=/tmp/fd.img', and works just as well if not a bit better |
| 03:38.06 | MamboKing | lol, just because I don't know my way around a debian system, doesn't I'm a n00b |
| 03:38.20 | peterS | yeah, that pretty much is the definition of n00b |
| 03:38.22 | MamboKing | I know linux, just I prefer redhat/fedora |
| 03:38.33 | olskolirc | i will always be a n00b |
| 03:38.38 | peterS | if you know linux, you can't say you "don't know my way around a debian system" |
| 03:38.44 | Scorp1us | dd if=/dev/dsa4 of=/some/file is pretty simple to me, plus I can specify a block count |
| 03:38.54 | MamboKing | oh please get off your high horse |
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| 03:39.05 | asg | peterS: knowing linux is the same as knowing /bsd |
| 03:39.19 | olskolirc | isn't it all unix? |
| 03:39.24 | peterS | Scorp1us: of course you can specify a block count, but people very rarely specify a block count when telling n00bs to use dd. they use it exactly like cp but with lots more typing. the extra typing seems dumb to me. that's all. |
| 03:39.35 | asg | olskolirc: kinda-sorta |
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| 03:39.54 | Scorp1us | linux was made from scratch to look like unix |
| 03:40.12 | Scorp1us | whereas bsd is based on unix source |
| 03:40.14 | spikeb | bsd was made from scratch to be unix :P |
| 03:40.15 | abrotman | yeah .. ignoring that pesky GNU thing |
| 03:40.25 | asg | abrotman: GNUs smell |
| 03:40.46 | abrotman | asg: :hcl |
| 03:40.53 | peterS | Scorp1us: actually I've changed over the years - most of the time when I do a large copy to or from a block device, I use 'pv' rather than 'cp'. so that I can watch a bar graph and ETA while it runs |
| 03:41.30 | Scorp1us | now that would be cool |
| 03:41.57 | asg | abrotman: actually, gsmell(1) would be a great utility |
| 03:42.07 | peterS | Scorp1us: it is. you just say 'pv -s35G < /dev/hda4 > /tmp/hda4.img' where 35G is your best estimate of the file size (since pv does not autodetect size of a block device, which I think it should ... oh well). |
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| 03:42.28 | abrotman | asg: which would do ? |
| 03:42.56 | asg | abrotman: userland interface to the usb-olfaction device |
| 03:43.00 | MamboKing | brb going to try it now |
| 03:43.30 | Scorp1us | what does this error mean: dh_clean: Sorry, but 4 is the highest compatibility level of debhelper currently supported. |
| 03:43.36 | Scorp1us | i was trying to debuild |
| 03:43.41 | abrotman | asg: hello kitty!@ |
| 03:44.06 | asg | abrotman: bork bork |
| 03:44.46 | krazykit | that's what i need to install! |
| 03:44.51 | krazykit | thanks for reminding me, asg |
| 03:44.54 | peterS | Scorp1us: it means you are using Debian stable, and debhelper is version 4, but you're trying to build a package intended for some newer distribution that has debhelper version 5 in it, and the package claims to be using features from debhelper 5. |
| 03:44.59 | asg | krazykit: chef(6)? |
| 03:45.04 | krazykit | yes. |
| 03:45.18 | asg | krazykit: gotta have it, I agree |
| 03:45.21 | Scorp1us | bah, why can;t linux be easy |
| 03:45.29 | Scorp1us | its just files and directories |
| 03:45.39 | onetinsoldier | and libs |
| 03:45.46 | Scorp1us | those are files ;-) |
| 03:45.51 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 03:45.56 | onetinsoldier | with code in them |
| 03:46.01 | asg | directories are also files |
| 03:46.12 | peterS | Scorp1us: there aren't that many new features in debhelper 5 - it's possible that the package isn't actually using any of them. some maintainers are lazy and just specify the highest available debhelper version. you can change the 'debian/compat' file to say 4 instead of 5 - it might actually work |
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| 03:47.24 | Scorp1us | thanks its doing somethign now |
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| 03:48.32 | Scorp1us | damn autohell |
| 03:48.49 | Scorp1us | one of these days I am going to make it cooler |
| 03:49.06 | onetinsoldier | autoconf troubles? |
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| 03:50.02 | Scorp1us | not really, just takign for ever |
| 03:50.20 | Scorp1us | you should have a system-wide cache |
| 03:51.06 | Scorp1us | and as things make new features availibe it should updae the cache rather than run the test everytieme yout run configure |
| 03:51.18 | krazykit | :-O where is talkfilters |
| 03:51.45 | abrotman | filters |
| 03:51.56 | peterS | Scorp1us: face it, on modern computers, autoconf stuff never takes more than a couple of minutes. that may be a large percentage of your total build time, in which case it's _all_ over in 3 minutes and you can stop worrying ... or it's a small percentage of total build time in which case it's silly to complain about it (: |
| 03:52.24 | krazykit | thanks, abrotman |
| 03:52.27 | Scorp1us | well when you build as much from source as I do... |
| 03:52.59 | abrotman | isn't there a distro for that? |
| 03:53.27 | peterS | Scorp1us: also, if you want a system-wide cache, go ahead and build yourself one. autoconf actually makes this pretty easy to do. though I am not certain dpkg-buildpackage will let the correct environment variable through |
| 03:53.34 | Scorp1us | ok, new problem, my pam is 0.76, I need a pam-dev 0.79, but it won't upgrade my pam |
| 03:53.49 | admin_ | i just installed debian for first time, after installing X and kdm and gdm, i notice my font is horrible, the screen position is also messed up |
| 03:53.52 | admin_ | Please help someone |
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| 03:54.10 | Scorp1us | admin_ be more specific |
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| 03:54.36 | Scorp1us | are on you on a monitor or LCD? |
| 03:54.59 | Scorp1us | and why are the fonts horrible? |
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| 03:56.29 | admin_ | Scorp1us: well, i just installed debian on a laptop, i installed X, kdm, and GDM, i type KDM (or X, or GDM), and then when X starts, everything is oddly fuzzy, and the whole screen is moved over, what is the command to reconfig X? |
| 03:56.56 | onetinsoldier | !drxx |
| 03:56.56 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 03:57.34 | admin_ | i dont have drxx in my repo (the machine is not connected to internet, all it has is first cd) |
| 03:57.50 | onetinsoldier | the command isn't drxx |
| 03:57.58 | peterS | the command is what dpkg says it is |
| 03:58.08 | onetinsoldier | it's.... dpkg -reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:58.15 | peterS | onetinsoldier: without the space |
| 03:58.29 | onetinsoldier | oops.. thanks |
| 03:58.33 | onetinsoldier | it's.... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:58.53 | onetinsoldier | the !frxx is a command to a 'bot' on here |
| 03:59.01 | onetinsoldier | the !drxx is a command to a 'bot' on here |
| 04:00.31 | admin_ | when i do the comand "dpkg...xorg", it returns that "dpkg: conflicting actions --control and --remove" |
| 04:01.13 | onetinsoldier | paste in the entire command you are doing... do you know how to highlight(copy) and paste with linux? |
| 04:01.20 | peterS | admin_: use dpkg-reconfigure, not dpkg -reconfigure. onetinsoldier was on crack there. |
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| 04:01.28 | admin_ | peterS: ah,. alright |
| 04:01.47 | onetinsoldier | yeah... sorry, i put a space in there, my bad :( |
| 04:02.00 | admin_ | uh oh.. |
| 04:02.11 | admin_ | it says the package "xserver-xorg" isnt even installed |
| 04:02.18 | admin_ | and its not in my repos either |
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| 04:02.28 | onetinsoldier | ok... try, dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 04:02.29 | abrotman | maybe use xserver-xfree86 .. like it said ? |
| 04:02.38 | admin_ | yea,i remmeber installing the xfree one |
| 04:02.59 | admin_ | yay, |
| 04:03.13 | admin_ | hmm, no idea what kinda server driver i should use |
| 04:03.23 | peterS | kinda depends on your graphics chipset |
| 04:03.25 | abrotman | what's your video card ? |
| 04:03.39 | admin_ | i'm pretty sure its onboard, its an old thinkpad 390e |
| 04:03.44 | admin_ | prolly intel gfx |
| 04:03.51 | abrotman | !thinkpad |
| 04:03.52 | dpkg | methinks thinkpad is one of the best laptops you can buy, the problems only occur with very old versions, or http://peipa.essex.ac.uk/tp-linux/, or a thing that dies when your car hits it, according to abrotman. |
| 04:03.58 | abrotman | hrm .. what website is that |
| 04:03.59 | peterS | admin_: possibly, but check 'lspci | grep VGA' to see |
| 04:04.06 | admin_ | ok |
| 04:04.30 | peterS | admin_: all modern Intel graphics chips use the 'i810' driver, anyway. (ancient ones used the 'i740' driver) |
| 04:04.32 | abrotman | !thinkpad is also http://thinkwiki.org/wiki/ThinkWiki |
| 04:04.32 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
| 04:04.44 | admin_ | ah, its Neomagic |
| 04:04.59 | peterS | admin_: ahh, an old laptop, then. I don't think anyone has used NM chips for awhile (: |
| 04:05.01 | abrotman | oh yay! |
| 04:05.08 | abrotman | not willingly |
| 04:05.24 | admin_ | it asks for "Video cards bus identifier" |
| 04:05.29 | admin_ | where shall i find that |
| 04:05.29 | peterS | admin_: leave it blank |
| 04:05.30 | abrotman | blank |
| 04:05.38 | admin_ | ok |
| 04:05.53 | admin_ | should i leave the "amount of mem used by vid card" blank? |
| 04:05.56 | abrotman | probably 16bit 800x600 screen |
| 04:06.06 | peterS | yes, leave video memory blank too |
| 04:06.10 | admin_ | ok |
| 04:06.17 | peterS | that's only needed on a few rare chipsets that the driver can't autodetect it |
| 04:07.30 | admin_ | hmmm, now i'm stuck , i know i can run 1024x768, but not sure about the refresh rate |
| 04:07.42 | admin_ | i can pick, 60, 70 or 75Hz |
| 04:07.53 | abrotman | it's a laptop |
| 04:07.57 | admin_ | yes |
| 04:08.14 | admin_ | abrotman: so? |
| 04:08.16 | onetinsoldier | i would think 60 for an lcd screen |
| 04:08.23 | admin_ | does all agree? |
| 04:08.28 | abrotman | just try it |
| 04:08.32 | admin_ | heh, ok |
| 04:09.08 | peterS | yes, 60 Hz is usually correct on laptops |
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| 04:09.58 | admin_ | dammit, it still is stupid |
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| 04:10.17 | admin_ | the font is like, UGHhh..maybe its not the actual font, may be how it renders or something |
| 04:10.45 | admin_ | and the whole screen is like, pushed to the upper right corner, leaving blank space about half inch on right and bottom parts of screen |
| 04:11.21 | onetinsoldier | have you restarted X since you reconfigured it? |
| 04:11.37 | peteweez | I have a program that needs to be removed (otherwise apt refuses to do anything else) but the prerm script calls pyversions, which is missing from my system (probably removed beforehand). I need a way to force apt or dpkg to remove a package without running any configuration scripts, do not pass go, do not collect $200, just rip it right out of the system. How do I do that? |
| 04:11.47 | admin_ | onetinsoldier: yes |
| 04:11.52 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 04:12.02 | admin_ | this pisses me off, |
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| 04:12.40 | peterS | admin_: experiment with xvidtune. if that helps, there's a way to make the change permanent, though it's a bit of hand-hacking |
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| 04:13.21 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: --force-depends? |
| 04:14.03 | admin_ | peterS: when i try to run 'xvidtune' it says |
| 04:14.06 | peteweez | onetinsoldier: Oh. Thanks. |
| 04:14.10 | admin_ | "cant open display: |
| 04:14.15 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: you're welcome |
| 04:14.17 | peterS | admin_: don't try to run it as root then |
| 04:14.20 | admin_ | ok |
| 04:14.27 | peteweez | So just apt-get remove --force-depends -f? |
| 04:14.33 | admin_ | peterS: same error when non root |
| 04:14.42 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: nope.. it's a dpkg option |
| 04:14.48 | peteweez | Oh OK |
| 04:15.03 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: dpkg --purge --force-depends <package> |
| 04:15.11 | peterS | admin_: don't know what to tell you - when you start an X session, xvidtune should run in that session no problem |
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| 04:15.33 | mooed | hi, how to i check a xfs partition? something like badblocks |
| 04:15.50 | peteweez | onetinsoldier: Doesn't it make you feel great when you know exactly how to fix someone else's problem like right off the top of your head? |
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| 04:16.01 | peteweez | mooed: fsck if you have the xfs tools installed |
| 04:16.04 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: hehe.. hell yeah |
| 04:16.32 | peteweez | dpkg --purge --force-depends python-gst0.10 |
| 04:16.32 | peteweez | dpkg: error processing python-gst0.10 (--purge): |
| 04:16.32 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.32 | peteweez | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:16.32 | peteweez | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 04:16.37 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: becuase i like to help :) |
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| 04:16.52 | peteweez | d'oh...shouldn't have pasted that |
| 04:16.56 | mooed | thanks peteweez |
| 04:17.07 | peteweez | mooed: It worked? |
| 04:17.14 | onetinsoldier | lol |
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| 04:17.27 | mooed | trying at mom |
| 04:17.44 | onetinsoldier | peteweez: /msg me if you want |
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| 04:27.07 | Varange | hi all |
| 04:27.34 | Varange | I'm hoping someone will give me a hand with ipmasq |
| 04:28.03 | Varange | first of all, how do I manage the rules in ipmasq |
| 04:28.06 | Varange | ? |
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| 04:32.45 | bruddah | how do i use crypt to encrypt a string? |
| 04:34.30 | jmd | man crypt |
| 04:35.26 | bruddah | no manual entry for crypt |
| 04:36.20 | jmd | apt-get install manpages-dev |
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| 04:36.37 | bruddah | k |
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| 04:38.09 | falkon | is there any implementation of installing nvidia kernel through module-assistant with the legacy driver? |
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| 04:38.29 | falkon | auto-install nvidia installs the non-legacy kernel |
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| 04:40.25 | bruddah | anyone know what package has the crypt command? |
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| 04:45.17 | nachos | hey, how can i change the timezone? |
| 04:45.24 | onetinsoldier | tzconfig |
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| 04:46.34 | bruddah | whats apt-file? never used it before |
| 04:46.41 | bruddah | i use apt-cache |
| 04:47.05 | onetinsoldier | it's like apt-cache search... but instead of searching for packges.. it searches for filenames |
| 04:47.19 | bruddah | thats cool |
| 04:47.26 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. it's very handy |
| 04:47.36 | onetinsoldier | apt-get install apt-file |
| 04:47.39 | bruddah | yeah |
| 04:47.41 | bruddah | already on it |
| 04:47.45 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 04:47.47 | nachos | damned, my timezones are borked. |
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| 04:55.44 | quintin | how do I see what repo a package is going to come from when I do aptitude install <package> ? |
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| 04:56.19 | falkon | nvidia-kernel needs kernel 2.6.18-2-686, but all that is available and what I am using is 2.6.18-3-686. How do I fix the dependency issue? |
| 04:56.27 | onetinsoldier | quintin: i think what you'd want to have a look at is your /etc/apt/sources.list file |
| 04:56.53 | stew | quintin: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 04:57.03 | quintin | onetinsoldier: I think not.. |
| 04:57.17 | onetinsoldier | quintin: ok, what stew said then |
| 04:57.30 | onetinsoldier | i was just guessing. figures it isn't that simple |
| 04:58.05 | quintin | stew: thanks. that shows 2 repos... when I installed it got it from bottom one. how is the repo to use determined? |
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| 05:00.05 | onetinsoldier | falkon: is it a .deb you are installing for the driver? |
| 05:01.06 | falkon | onetinsoldier: should be as it's coming from the debian repository |
| 05:01.35 | stew | quintin: if they are at the equal priority, i think its whatever comes first in sources.list |
| 05:01.37 | quintin | how do I see what my X server is? |
| 05:01.43 | stew | quintin: X -version |
| 05:01.55 | quintin | stew: you are quite likely correct, as the one it came from is something I added at the top |
| 05:02.02 | falkon | available kernel image is 2.6.18-3-686. nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-2-686 depends on kernel image 2.6.18-2-686, which is older I guess |
| 05:02.18 | onetinsoldier | falkon: so you are using apt-get to install the nvidia driver, is that correct? |
| 05:02.23 | bruddah | how do you output what deb version you're using? |
| 05:02.24 | falkon | seriously, debian hasn't gotten its shit together with the nvidia drives in almost half a year |
| 05:02.30 | bruddah | because i have no clue what build this is heh |
| 05:02.32 | falkon | onetinsoldier: that is correct |
| 05:03.23 | onetinsoldier | falkon: /msg me if you want |
| 05:03.23 | liable | bruddah: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 05:03.23 | stew | bruddah: compare the version from "dpkg -l libc6" to available versions from http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 05:03.23 | liable | bruddah: or from your libc6 version |
| 05:03.23 | quintin | stew: uhm.. x server .. I installed xserver-xgl, but I need to know if that is what's being used |
| 05:03.23 | linux2 | can anyone help me with screen blanking |
| 05:03.28 | linux2 | i have tried everything under the sun |
| 05:03.41 | linux2 | but my screen always blanks after 5 minutes and it annoys the crap out of me |
| 05:03.45 | liable | quintin: you need to tell your dm to use it.. (where did you get it?) |
| 05:03.47 | linux2 | its not like its even saving any power |
| 05:03.52 | bruddah | 3.0 is that woody, sarge, or potato, or neither? |
| 05:03.59 | stew | bruddah: woody |
| 05:04.03 | quintin | liable: beerorkid.com |
| 05:04.05 | bruddah | cool |
| 05:04.10 | bruddah | i got woody! |
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| 05:04.19 | stew | bruddah: /msg dpkg woody->sarge |
| 05:04.31 | liable | bruddah: you make it sound rare! :P |
| 05:04.58 | bruddah | !aptitude |
| 05:04.59 | dpkg | i heard aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
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| 05:05.15 | bruddah | whats better, aptitude or synaptic? |
| 05:05.48 | liable | bruddah: follow the release notes advice, aptitude deals with dependancy issues better |
| 05:06.09 | liable | bruddah: better is also subject to your likes/dislikes |
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| 05:07.15 | bruddah | gotcha |
| 05:07.29 | bruddah | um my sources.list file doesn't say woody anywhere |
| 05:07.44 | bruddah | it just says stable |
| 05:07.55 | liable | then you havent upgraded for a *long* time |
| 05:08.17 | bruddah | yeah im running colinux, i got a filesystem image from some mirror hehe |
| 05:08.21 | liable | bruddah: sarge is the next stable, and it is going to be superceded soon |
| 05:08.38 | bruddah | whats the unstable one? |
| 05:08.43 | onetinsoldier | sid |
| 05:09.08 | bruddah | so will it work if i replace my sources.list file with sid instead of stable? |
| 05:09.14 | onetinsoldier | woody, then sarge, then etch(testing), then sid(unstable) |
| 05:09.21 | quintin | !better |
| 05:09.21 | quintin | stupid bot. |
| 05:09.21 | quintin | bruddah: define 'better'. that's awful subjective |
| 05:09.21 | quintin | !best |
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| 05:09.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, better is a matter of personal taste; asking "is foo better than bar?" is almost meaningless unless we know what *you* mean by "better". |
| 05:09.22 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
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| 05:09.56 | quintin | what the fuck? |
| 05:10.01 | quintin | debhelper: diaf |
| 05:10.03 | liable | debhelper must have lag or something |
| 05:10.11 | liable | quintin: its a bot |
| 05:10.16 | quintin | liable: I know |
| 05:10.47 | bruddah | so for normal usage i should use etch? thats the one thats going to replace sarge yeah? |
| 05:11.44 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: yes |
| 05:11.52 | bruddah | cool |
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| 05:12.01 | bruddah | thnx a lot |
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| 05:12.43 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: i guess testing is frozen now... so it's pretty stable at this point |
| 05:12.48 | jbrouhard | onetinsoldier I am pleased to say that your suggesting works |
| 05:13.04 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: cool, which suggestion was that? |
| 05:13.06 | jbrouhard | setting the package option to "hold" on netkit-inetd and running upgrades DEFINITELY fixed the issue! |
| 05:13.07 | liable | bruddah: going straight from woody to etch may be troublesome, if i were you, i would upgrade to sarge first (depends how lucky you feel i guess :P) |
| 05:13.16 | jbrouhard | plesk installed correctly afterwards |
| 05:13.50 | bruddah | liable: its a toy so im up for the excitement ;) |
| 05:13.53 | onetinsoldier | jbrouhard: ahh, yes! i remember now.. cool :) |
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| 05:14.51 | stew | onetinsoldier: testing is not frozen |
| 05:15.04 | stew | onetinsoldier: only core parts are |
| 05:15.21 | onetinsoldier | stew: oh!? i heard form another person or maybe even two, that it was... hmmm |
| 05:15.39 | stew | onetinsoldier: the kernel that will release with etch hasn't entered testing yet even |
| 05:15.39 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok, i hear you |
| 05:16.03 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
| 05:17.09 | onetinsoldier | stew: are you certain? see the following... http://www.debian.org/News/2006/20060724 |
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| 05:17.45 | onetinsoldier | that is old news though, and says that wil be the kernel for the 'installer' |
| 05:17.47 | stew | onetinsoldier: that's an old timeline, /msg dpkg wwer |
| 05:18.00 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok.. will do! thanks |
| 05:18.26 | stew | onetinsoldier: in particular: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 05:18.51 | onetinsoldier | going there now |
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| 05:20.37 | centrx | dpkg |
| 05:20.39 | deepz | is there apace2-ssl package fro apache2 version ??? |
| 05:20.39 | bruddah | i luv you |
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| 05:20.46 | centrx | !!! |
| 05:20.46 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 05:20.54 | centrx | what a guy |
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| 05:21.15 | bruddah | !dpkg |
| 05:21.15 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 05:21.16 | deepz | is thr no ssl support for apache2 |
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| 05:22.30 | centrx | maybe |
| 05:23.32 | liable | debhelper: of course |
| 05:23.35 | liable | deepz: ^^ |
| 05:24.00 | deepz | laible:not gettin what u say |
| 05:24.11 | centrx | deepz a Google search has a lot of relevant results |
| 05:24.39 | deepz | will do taht not an issue , however is thr no debian support for ssl in apache2 |
| 05:24.43 | centrx | deepz as I suspected, it looks like apache2 has ssl included |
| 05:24.58 | deepz | so no separate package is thr |
| 05:25.01 | centrx | deepz right |
| 05:25.08 | deepz | thksssssssssssssss |
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| 05:33.11 | onetinsoldier | stew: ok.. i read it. good info. thank you |
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| 05:35.26 | bruddah | in synaptic.. whats the difference between mark for removal and mark for complete removal? |
| 05:35.45 | philip | purge deletes configuration files |
| 05:35.49 | quintin | bruddah: the latter purges config files |
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| 05:36.38 | bruddah | gotcha thnx |
| 05:37.14 | Azar | hmmm how many mb would a sarge base install be? |
| 05:37.39 | philip | about 1 gig |
| 05:37.42 | Azar | but then again... I never downloaded |
| 05:37.48 | philip | maybe less |
| 05:37.56 | Azar | philip: I can't believe that |
| 05:38.12 | liable | prooly about 250-300M i would guess maybe less |
| 05:38.29 | Azar | yeah that would be more true |
| 05:38.40 | philip | right I see |
| 05:38.45 | philip | if I only had a gun |
| 05:38.50 | liable | 230 seems to ring a bell for some reason |
| 05:39.20 | Azar | yeah because I allways install base-only (no alsa, no desktop, no X...) |
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| 05:40.02 | Azar | liable, how could I find how much space my actual installation/configuration it takes now? |
| 05:40.31 | philip | why the crap do you care? |
| 05:40.39 | philip | du -hcs / |
| 05:40.42 | Azar | philip: I want to brag to you |
| 05:40.50 | philip | I WILL KILL YOU!! |
| 05:41.27 | Azar | so right now I have sarge with everything my heart wants and I wish to know how much space takes |
| 05:41.56 | bruddah | you don't have ME |
| 05:42.00 | bruddah | and i know your heart wants that |
| 05:42.14 | liable | Azar: df -h |
| 05:42.22 | Azar | thanks, liable :) |
| 05:42.41 | liable | np |
| 05:43.15 | Azar | ookk I am using 2% of my HD that means 1.9G used 103G available :) weep |
| 05:43.38 | liable | time to download some pr0n! :) |
| 05:43.47 | Azar | hehe nah, I am shy |
| 05:43.49 | nvz | hmm anyone have an idea how you might be able to easily navigate an mp3 library on a headless system? |
| 05:43.52 | bruddah | who downloads pr0n these days? |
| 05:44.00 | bruddah | streaming video r0xors you |
| 05:44.03 | liable | nvz: i like cplay personally |
| 05:44.17 | liable | nvz: from ssh.. |
| 05:44.18 | nvz | liable: thats what I use but I am not sure its so easy without seeing |
| 05:44.35 | nvz | liable: I am talking mounting this little low watt pc I have in the trunk of my car |
| 05:44.45 | nvz | liable: using few keys and like no display |
| 05:44.54 | liable | nvz: oh, nfc |
| 05:44.58 | nvz | like wiring hotkeys to my steering wheel or something |
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| 05:45.44 | liable | nvz: i dunno how you could unless you know the order of your albums/tracks |
| 05:45.48 | bruddah | nvz: wire your horn to the pc and then have it play a cool WAV out the speakers ;) |
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| 05:47.24 | nvz | liable: well my car doesnt generate real good power anyhow its a little shifty without anything extra hooked up the power goes down a little when you stop |
| 05:47.47 | nvz | liable: the computer ps can be up to 100w but I am gonna strip it as much as possible |
| 05:48.29 | nvz | liable: I dont really want to push the inverter above 200w I only put a 20a on it so it wouldnt stress the car too much would blow first |
| 05:48.41 | liable | nvz: new alternater / smaller pully on the alt |
| 05:49.03 | bruddah | just get a new car that doesn't suck ;) |
| 05:49.07 | nvz | its a small voltage drop but its only a 4cyl ford |
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| 05:49.15 | nvz | old one at that |
| 05:49.24 | pipeline | Is it a mazda engine? :P |
| 05:49.31 | onetinsoldier | is there an app to work with dvd+rw 's? |
| 05:49.42 | nvz | onetinsoldier: k3b |
| 05:50.05 | onetinsoldier | nvz: ok, thanks. do you know if it can format them? |
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| 05:50.39 | nvz | onetinsoldier: you will need to look at the package info you may need to install additional packages that work with k3b |
| 05:51.11 | liable | onetinsoldier: dvd+rw-tools |
| 05:51.16 | onetinsoldier | nvz: say's it's a front-end to cdrdao and cdrecord. |
| 05:51.29 | liable | and growisofs |
| 05:51.30 | nvz | I could use an LED display for my mp3 player :P |
| 05:51.37 | onetinsoldier | liable: ok... looking to that now.. thank you |
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| 05:52.22 | nvz | any decent package manager should suggest this options to you |
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| 05:53.08 | DavidProck1981 | yo how can i make a applaction of my choice staru up every time |
| 05:53.21 | nvz | yo |
| 05:53.30 | DavidProck1981 | sup |
| 05:53.33 | nvz | DavidProck1981: start up every time? |
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| 05:53.47 | bruddah | DavidProck1981: /etc/inittab |
| 05:53.54 | nvz | usually when I run an application of my choice it starts up every time |
| 05:54.06 | DavidProck1981 | thanks |
| 05:54.28 | magyar | how do i tell one command to wait while the previous one finishes? |
| 05:54.31 | DavidProck1981 | i men like if u exit it before u restart, i want it to come back up |
| 05:54.44 | philip | magyar, app1; app2 |
| 05:54.53 | nvz | magyar: well && || or ; |
| 05:54.56 | bruddah | DavidProck1981: you can do that |
| 05:54.56 | philip | magyar, or && if you only want to execute in success. see #bash |
| 05:55.02 | magyar | philip: semicolone |
| 05:55.14 | DavidProck1981 | its a firewall called firestarter and i dont see a option on it for it to start up every time |
| 05:55.52 | bruddah | DavidProck1981: after the numbers enter 'respawn' and it will restart everytime its killed |
| 05:56.08 | bruddah | it should have came with an /etc/init.d script though |
| 05:56.23 | magyar | nvz: lets say i need to stop a process, unmount a file system do an fsck check than mount the file system and start the process |
| 05:56.35 | DavidProck1981 | what do u mean by "after the numbers enter 'respawn'" |
| 05:56.42 | bruddah | magyar: ctrl z |
| 05:56.53 | bruddah | DavidProck1981: in /etc/inittab file |
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| 05:57.08 | bruddah | DavidProck1981: look at the examples |
| 05:57.25 | magyar | bruddah: what about ctrl z? |
| 05:57.34 | nvz | magyar: ^Z then umount foo && fsck foo; fg |
| 05:57.46 | bruddah | magyar: what nvz said |
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| 05:58.46 | DavidProck1981 | im looking at that file and i dont understand it |
| 05:59.10 | liable | dont fuck with inittab |
| 05:59.10 | magyar | nvz: ^Z <--thats background |
| 05:59.13 | nvz | DavidProck1981: your firewall is built into your kernel which starts after the bootloader |
| 05:59.42 | DavidProck1981 | i heard dont have one |
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| 05:59.54 | DavidProck1981 | and i dont think i have iptables |
| 05:59.56 | nvz | magyar: umm no, thats stop |
| 06:00.09 | nvz | magyar: you have to send a stopped procces to the bg or fg |
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| 06:00.22 | DavidProck1981 | RBRBRB |
| 06:00.24 | DavidProck1981 | BRB |
| 06:00.41 | nvz | magyar: but it remains attached to its shell regardless unless you have nohup |
| 06:00.45 | bruddah | magyar: bg <--- thats background |
| 06:00.53 | magyar | nvz: how about init.d/process stop; ? |
| 06:01.04 | Azar | what is a "tmpfs"? |
| 06:01.12 | bruddah | azar: temp filesystem? |
| 06:01.12 | liable | that will work.. but it wont start again |
| 06:01.18 | Guerin | Azar: just what it sounds like |
| 06:01.18 | nvz | magyar: you said stop, I told you how to stop and resume it thats killing and restarting |
| 06:01.36 | Azar | thanks... hmmm |
| 06:01.50 | liable | Azar: kernel related memory stuff i think |
| 06:02.00 | Azar | that df -h does not show the swap, or tmpfs IS the swap? |
| 06:02.09 | liable | no |
| 06:02.11 | bruddah | Azar: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs |
| 06:02.42 | nvz | Azar: free |
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| 06:03.12 | bruddah | my dsl throughput sucks.. i need to move |
| 06:03.35 | bruddah | freakin 17kb/s |
| 06:03.38 | nvz | bruddah: or remove |
| 06:03.51 | liable | my dial up sucks, gimme your dsl! |
| 06:03.56 | bruddah | nvz: i get it for free so i can't complain too much |
| 06:04.11 | liable | first gimme a house to live in.. |
| 06:04.33 | Guerin | liable: first give me beer |
| 06:04.37 | Azar | thanks so the good part of having tmpfs is.... you can recuperate a lost/deleted file? |
| 06:04.38 | bruddah | liable:if you pay me 250 a month you can share my room |
| 06:04.56 | liable | Guerin: i'll send one in the post. VB ok? |
| 06:05.06 | Guerin | liable: it'll do. |
| 06:05.13 | Guerin | liable: all beer is good, some beer is better |
| 06:05.13 | Azar | liable, you can live in my bedroom, I usually sleep on the couch in the living room. 3 PCs on the bedroom |
| 06:05.22 | liable | Guerin: you must be desperate! |
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| 06:05.57 | bruddah | PBR is the best |
| 06:05.58 | Azar | each PC has a dedicated adsl line... so yohooo |
| 06:05.59 | onetinsoldier | Azar: fdisk -l will show you your sawp |
| 06:06.03 | onetinsoldier | swap* |
| 06:06.10 | Azar | thanks onetinsoldier |
| 06:06.12 | liable | Guerin: has the wife curtailed your drinking activities? |
| 06:06.18 | onetinsoldier | you're welcome |
| 06:06.28 | nvz | sentious up gimme a beer |
| 06:06.28 | bruddah | rm -fr / is like /dev/dsp for your mouth |
| 06:06.29 | Azar | wife! oh nooo, Guerin has a wife! |
| 06:06.39 | Guerin | liable: she tries to lead by example, but that just leaves more beer for me |
| 06:06.48 | liable | indeed |
| 06:06.48 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 06:06.50 | Guerin | Azar: since Y2K |
| 06:07.03 | Azar | oh man, I understand all your pain now |
| 06:07.10 | Guerin | it's not a pain |
| 06:07.11 | DavidProck1981 | yo i see a /etc/init.d/firestarter now what |
| 06:07.20 | Azar | no is frustration |
| 06:07.32 | Guerin | she's my best mate and feircest opponent in arguments |
| 06:07.36 | Guerin | and she's amazingly hot |
| 06:07.49 | karsten | DavidProck1981: Depends on your WM. Agnostic way: ~/.xinitrc |
| 06:07.52 | Azar | that's when you get in / on irc... |
| 06:07.59 | nvz | bruddah: that made 0 sense |
| 06:08.01 | DavidProck1981 | WM? |
| 06:08.04 | onetinsoldier | DavidProck1981: i use firestarter. once the firewall has been configured with it, it's always running |
| 06:08.09 | karsten | DavidProck1981: ... erm, WRT starting up apps when you launch. |
| 06:08.20 | Guerin | and is earning all the mney while I'm at grad skool ;) |
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| 06:08.38 | Azar | wow, nice |
| 06:08.40 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 06:08.45 | Azar | hehe |
| 06:08.47 | liable | oh dear |
| 06:08.48 | Guerin | karsten: not2day lolz |
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| 06:08.57 | karsten | Guerin: lol |
| 06:09.28 | Azar | karsten: you remind me the day I was courting you because of your feminine nick |
| 06:09.33 | karsten | ... on what used to be a RHEL4 box. |
| 06:09.40 | DavidProck1981 | do dont show it when i do Ctrl+Alt+Delete |
| 06:09.40 | karsten | Azar: Get in line. |
| 06:09.42 | liable | karsten: rivetting |
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| 06:09.56 | onetinsoldier | DavidProck1981: once the firewall has been configured it's always running, whether you have just rebooted, are only using consoles, or whatever |
| 06:10.02 | karsten | Azar: ... and *what* feminine nick? |
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| 06:10.09 | Azar | karsten |
| 06:10.18 | Guerin | karsten: it's like 'kirsten', as in 'dunst' |
| 06:10.29 | onetinsoldier | DavidProck1981: have you started up X and used firestarter to configure your firewall yet? |
| 06:10.30 | Azar | I was hot for you thinking: what a nice nick and she is soooo smart too |
| 06:10.33 | Guerin | Azar: sadly, karsten is 100% a boy's name |
| 06:10.36 | bruddah | karsten: yeah its pretty feminine |
| 06:10.38 | liable | i have to admit, i thought woman when i first seen that name |
| 06:10.38 | karsten | Azar: Um, not. |
| 06:10.45 | Azar | yes I found it the hard way |
| 06:10.47 | DavidProck1981 | but what if i want the interface to show every time |
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| 06:10.58 | Guerin | it's danish for 'bone smasher' or something |
| 06:11.07 | karsten | Guerin: Damned straight. |
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| 06:11.22 | bruddah | i would make a hot chick |
| 06:11.25 | bruddah | is that bad? |
| 06:11.29 | liable | ... |
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| 06:11.36 | karsten | bruddah: ask Azar |
| 06:11.39 | liable | whats that qotd? |
| 06:11.43 | Azar | karsten: you should cross dress once, have a picture taken for the keeps to have us all shutup |
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| 06:12.06 | liable | Azar: prolly not a good idea |
| 06:12.10 | nvz | eww no.. we already seen mrs toresbe |
| 06:12.25 | liable | toresbe in drag? |
| 06:12.35 | Azar | where? you got the pic nvz? |
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| 06:12.40 | liable | eek |
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| 06:12.51 | liable | laters |
| 06:12.53 | nvz | as if I would keep something like that |
| 06:12.55 | Azar | night |
| 06:13.00 | bruddah | toresbe is a guy? |
| 06:13.02 | onetinsoldier | bye |
| 06:13.45 | Azar | eh I had my uncle in a pic dressed like a gyesha on the beach, just for kicks |
| 06:14.15 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 06:14.25 | onetinsoldier | !irritate nvz |
| 06:14.25 | dpkg | nvz: Y iz debain so old? how does I run teh grafixx windows !!!! |
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| 06:14.36 | nvz | !yinzersmite onetinsoldier |
| 06:14.51 | bruddah | wtf? |
| 06:14.58 | bruddah | chawt? |
| 06:14.58 | onetinsoldier | omg.. i don't understand those ebonics |
| 06:15.09 | nvz | www.pittsburghese.com |
| 06:15.18 | bruddah | thats not ebonics |
| 06:15.23 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 06:15.25 | karsten | Guerin's so old that when he first started with computers, a color display meant multicolored abacus beads. |
| 06:15.36 | nvz | its pittsburgese, yinzer talk. |
| 06:15.45 | onetinsoldier | roger |
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| 06:16.01 | bruddah | wtf is chawt? |
| 06:16.19 | Azar | hey when I was six I had one of those old ibm PCs with orange text and playing donkeykong |
| 06:16.21 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 06:16.33 | CcSsNET | monochrome |
| 06:16.34 | bruddah | my first computer game was gorilla.bas |
| 06:16.37 | CcSsNET | those where the days |
| 06:16.51 | nvz | bruddah: yinnz betta chawt fer da pcp innat. |
| 06:16.55 | Azar | eh my dad kept for me a commodore, great games but I burned it .. |
| 06:17.10 | bruddah | nvz: what? |
| 06:17.23 | karsten | bruddah: mine was: 10 i = i +1; 20 peek i; 30 goto 10 |
| 06:17.35 | nvz | bruddah: translates to "the police are out, turn on your headlights and buckle up" |
| 06:18.13 | bruddah | nvz: thats nutz |
| 06:18.20 | optraz | hello, is there a way to check whether which of my hdd attach to which serial ata cable ? |
| 06:18.29 | Guerin | karsten: hey! what's this about multicoloured? They were monochrome beads, dagnabbit! |
| 06:18.44 | nvz | bruddah: "watch out for the pittsburgh city police" there is always construction and they will pull you over and take your weed if you dont turn your headlights on and wear your seatbealt.. its the law :P |
| 06:18.45 | bruddah | karsten: what does peek do? |
| 06:18.48 | CcSsNET | plasma-beads |
| 06:18.53 | CcSsNET | get it right |
| 06:18.55 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 06:19.17 | karsten | Guerin: That's because you're a farkin' *skinflint* kiwi too cheap to shell out for colored beads. |
| 06:19.22 | Azar | hmm I want to see the "pong" jokes, is it safe to install adobe flash plugins for firefox? |
| 06:19.24 | bruddah | nvz: sounds like the mexican police. except they beat you and take your money |
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| 06:19.31 | karsten | bruddah: shows what's in a memory address in BASIC. |
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| 06:19.45 | karsten | bruddah: You're basically peeking at every address, that would usually crash teh box. |
| 06:19.58 | Guerin | karsten: they didn't have them here back in those days! And we had to carve the frame with stone tools! |
| 06:20.01 | bruddah | karsten: fun... |
| 06:20.11 | Azar | Guerin is ok to install adobe flash ? |
| 06:20.22 | Guerin | Azar: fuck no |
| 06:20.26 | Guerin | that shit is evil' |
| 06:20.29 | Azar | ok thanks |
| 06:20.32 | Guerin | ok, someone explain reverse dns for me |
| 06:20.35 | Azar | yep I guess so |
| 06:20.36 | karsten | How do you change the default menu font size in Firefox / Iceweasel? |
| 06:20.37 | Piet | hehe |
| 06:20.45 | bruddah | they need GNU/Flash |
| 06:20.49 | karsten | Guerin: It's like DNS, but backwards. |
| 06:20.51 | karsten | Guerin: SND. |
| 06:20.58 | nvz | bruddah: its really an incomplete sentance.. but thats not uncommon would be more like "yinz betta chawt fer da pcp dahnaran'd dahntahn innat.." |
| 06:21.04 | optraz | hello, is there a way to check whether which of my hdd attach to which serial ata cable ? |
| 06:21.07 | Piet | is one of you into S.M.A.R.T. values? I can decipher the attributes, but I have no idea which values would be sane and which aren't... http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/416/smartsdbweekqj4.png |
| 06:21.19 | Guerin | i need to make this box I'm on show up as vadreas.feayn.org - does this mean I have to run a named on it, or can I modify the config of as named running on feayn.org proper? |
| 06:21.24 | karsten | optraz: Yeah. Disconnect a cable. See which drives are accessible. |
| 06:21.39 | optraz | mmm |
| 06:21.43 | optraz | that server is in production |
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| 06:21.44 | Guerin | bruddah: gnash is in development |
| 06:21.44 | karsten | Guerin: You run named on the box that's authoritative for the domain *and* reverses. |
| 06:21.46 | bruddah | guerin: who owns the ip? |
| 06:21.46 | optraz | cani check using cli ? |
| 06:21.55 | karsten | Guerin: If you don't own the IP range you can't do reverses. |
| 06:22.02 | Guerin | bruddah: my ISP |
| 06:22.07 | Guerin | oh, ok. |
| 06:22.09 | bruddah | guerin: then you're SOL |
| 06:22.16 | Guerin | that's why it's not going to work then |
| 06:22.21 | karsten | Guerin: Talk to your ISP then. Buy them some beer (or regift what you got here). |
| 06:22.38 | Guerin | nah, iot's not worth talking to these evil motherfuckers |
| 06:22.40 | Azar | my ISP is the best gives me anything I want |
| 06:22.47 | karsten | Guerin: You can fake it within your own set of systems if you point them at your own DNS, if that solves any problems. Otherwise, no. |
| 06:22.51 | bruddah | threaten to cancel |
| 06:22.51 | Guerin | i might just irc from my shell per usual |
| 06:22.59 | bruddah | that usually gives you what you want |
| 06:23.13 | Guerin | bruddah: then I get to pay the $150 cancellation fee |
| 06:23.18 | Azar | tell them Covad would satisfy any needs you have ... |
| 06:23.25 | bruddah | guerin: don't really canel.... just threaten |
| 06:23.32 | Guerin | bruddah: whis is a connection fee they waive after 12 months |
| 06:23.36 | Guerin | cba |
| 06:23.41 | Guerin | rdns don't mean that much to me |
| 06:23.52 | Guerin | i wash all my mail through my own server anyhow |
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| 06:24.01 | karsten | bbiam... |
| 06:24.06 | bruddah | all my mail goes through gmail.. w00t |
| 06:24.12 | Azar | good they let you have your own mail server |
| 06:24.20 | niles | is there an activex plugin for firefox ? |
| 06:24.20 | Guerin | wtf |
| 06:24.42 | Guerin | Azar: there is no 'let'. I own a server out there in serverland. I route all mail through it. |
| 06:24.45 | bruddah | opera comes stock with active x yeah? |
| 06:25.00 | Guerin | bruddah: best queston: who gives a fuck? |
| 06:25.08 | Guerin | opera is irrelevant |
| 06:25.10 | Azar | so nice, what about your ISP then? |
| 06:25.21 | Guerin | it's like the george michael of browsers |
| 06:25.30 | bruddah | guerin: who the hell is george michaels? |
| 06:25.35 | Guerin | Azar: what about them? They're an evil telecomms monopoly. |
| 06:25.39 | Azar | I never use the EVIL activeX |
| 06:25.44 | Guerin | bruddah: exactly. |
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| 06:26.01 | bruddah | guerin: i think opera is way better than firefox. firefox is a memory whore |
| 06:26.25 | Guerin | opera is an everything-whore |
| 06:26.34 | Azar | opera is .. yes like Guerin said |
| 06:26.36 | Guerin | it's non-free spyware to start with |
| 06:26.44 | bruddah | opera is spyware? |
| 06:26.52 | Guerin | bruddah: unless you pay for it |
| 06:27.00 | bruddah | how so? |
| 06:27.20 | Guerin | people who claim firefox pwns their boxen tend to be using flash and/or java |
| 06:27.24 | Azar | opera is proprietary software like internet exporer |
| 06:27.39 | Guerin | firefox without those is rock-solid for weeks at a time with 20-40 tabs open on my 512MB box |
| 06:27.43 | bruddah | Azar: i know that |
| 06:27.56 | Azar | I go firefox without javascripts flash and any other gizmos |
| 06:27.58 | Guerin | bruddah: the ads... they pwn you. |
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| 06:28.40 | bruddah | guerin: oh |
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| 06:28.50 | niles | what web browsers have active x plug in? |
| 06:29.04 | Azar | niles: internet explorer |
| 06:29.04 | niles | i would like the watch the Michael Richards video. |
| 06:29.04 | bruddah | niles: internet explorer ;) |
| 06:29.58 | karsten | Feh. etch, and KDE seems to have lost its kcontrol sub-bits. I can run control center but there's nothing to configure. |
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| 06:30.04 | Guerin | niles: you lose. |
| 06:30.14 | Guerin | !kcc fix |
| 06:30.14 | dpkg | i heard kcc fix is : extra extra :; the folks at debian-kde told me to get kdelibs4c2a 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-4, kcontrol and kdebase-data 4:3.5.5a.dfsg.1-2 (from unstable) and it successfullly solved the problem. |
| 06:30.18 | Guerin | karsten: ↑ |
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| 06:30.37 | niles | aww great, now i have to switch to windows. |
| 06:30.47 | karsten | Guerin: There's an empty sidebar. |
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| 06:31.05 | Guerin | !different answer |
| 06:31.05 | dpkg | You only get one answer per question. You've had yours. If you want a different answer, ask a different question. Thank you for your cooperation, HAND. |
| 06:31.24 | bruddah | !hand |
| 06:31.24 | dpkg | somebody said hand was have a nice day |
| 06:31.28 | bruddah | oh yeah |
| 06:31.54 | bruddah | hand seems so rude... like "talk to the hand" |
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| 06:32.26 | bruddah | which is really quite ironic |
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| 06:39.07 | phlasphy | hey all |
| 06:40.35 | phlasphy | i need a bit of help |
| 06:40.36 | phlasphy | ? |
| 06:40.36 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
| 06:41.09 | onetinsoldier | ask you question, see if anyone knows how to help |
| 06:41.19 | phlasphy | should i get debian |
| 06:41.31 | onetinsoldier | well, this is #debian |
| 06:41.35 | phlasphy | lol |
| 06:41.37 | phlasphy | i know |
| 06:41.38 | onetinsoldier | so.... yes! |
| 06:42.16 | onetinsoldier | of course you should get debian :) |
| 06:42.19 | phlasphy | its just i have hated every linux distro i have tried and this is a last resort to get me a happy nix user |
| 06:42.35 | onetinsoldier | well, what was it your didn't like about the others? |
| 06:42.38 | Guerin | phlasphy: what did you hate about all the others? |
| 06:42.45 | onetinsoldier | ;) |
| 06:42.53 | onetinsoldier | !prize onetinsoldier |
| 06:42.58 | phlasphy | umm mostly they were either too hard or too easy |
| 06:43.06 | Guerin | phlasphy: which were too hard? |
| 06:43.13 | phlasphy | slackware and gentoo |
| 06:43.21 | Guerin | well, debian is easier than those |
| 06:43.24 | phlasphy | ok |
| 06:43.29 | Guerin | but harder than hat, fedora, ubuntu, etc. |
| 06:43.31 | loca|host | phlasphy, do you seek a desktop oriented distro ? |
| 06:43.35 | phlasphy | yeah |
| 06:43.46 | Guerin | by 'easier' i mean 'shit isn't made purposefully difficult' |
| 06:43.47 | phlasphy | Guerin: seems perfect |
| 06:43.58 | loca|host | phlasphy, did you try ubuntu ? kubuntu ? xubuntu ? |
| 06:44.01 | phlasphy | yes |
| 06:44.07 | Guerin | and by 'harder' i mean 'the distro doesn't make decisions for you' |
| 06:44.13 | phlasphy | yeah |
| 06:44.16 | phlasphy | that is what i want |
| 06:44.23 | loca|host | phlasphy, and what did you find 'hard' ? |
| 06:44.30 | phlasphy | on slackware |
| 06:44.44 | Guerin | well, slackware has no package management |
| 06:44.47 | phlasphy | umm making the mouse wheel work install XFCE RC2 |
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| 06:44.50 | Guerin | and gentoo's is more or less broken |
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| 06:45.30 | phlasphy | so would you say debain is good? |
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| 06:45.38 | Guerin | of course we would |
| 06:45.41 | loca|host | phlasphy, if you didnt try the debian family distros, i think you'll adore it :) |
| 06:45.45 | phlasphy | even for a noob |
| 06:45.54 | Guerin | phlasphy: if you can read, you can run debian. |
| 06:46.05 | onetinsoldier | i have working mouse wheel, and i'm in xfce-4.4 RC1 now |
| 06:46.06 | loca|host | phlasphy, you still have to read docs and use man |
| 06:46.26 | phlasphy | loca|host: i tried ubuntu xubuntu but it seemed to choose everything for me? |
| 06:46.30 | phlasphy | ok |
| 06:46.48 | loca|host | phlasphy, you can build it from scratch so, use debian for that |
| 06:47.04 | loca|host | phlasphy, if not, ubuntu would be a good solution for desktop |
| 06:47.31 | phlasphy | that is what i want to just install a DE and a few system utilities then install what i need |
| 06:47.42 | loca|host | phlasphy, i think debian is more entreprise and server oriented than desktop, that doesnt exlude it to be a good desktop distro |
| 06:47.46 | phlasphy | nothing like fedora where it just dumps me with everything |
| 06:47.54 | tarzeau | lunitik: what do you think does GNUstep lag in? |
| 06:48.15 | loca|host | phlasphy, what are you seeking exactly ? |
| 06:48.27 | phlasphy | what do you mean loca|host |
| 06:48.49 | onetinsoldier | phlasphy: i did a netinstall of etch sveral months ago using floppy disk.. installed just a totally bre bones system, then apt-get installed whatever i wanted from there on out |
| 06:49.04 | phlasphy | onetinsoldier: that is what i want |
| 06:49.08 | onetinsoldier | several* bare bones* |
| 06:49.12 | phlasphy | what is etch? |
| 06:49.24 | loca|host | phlasphy, what do expect from your optimal distro to do ? |
| 06:49.31 | onetinsoldier | ftp://debian.osuosl.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/rc1/images/floppy |
| 06:49.55 | loca|host | phlasphy, etch is a branch |
| 06:49.57 | phlasphy | umm browse the net torrents xchat word proccesor and |
| 06:50.04 | onetinsoldier | etch is known as 'testing'.. but it's very close to 'stable' at this point |
| 06:50.09 | phlasphy | anything else windows does |
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| 06:50.22 | onetinsoldier | sarge = stable, etch = testing, sid = unstable |
| 06:50.24 | loca|host | phlasphy, so stick with ubuntu, it will make it very easy to u |
| 06:50.32 | phlasphy | too easy |
| 06:50.35 | loca|host | woops sorry y-o-u :) |
| 06:50.54 | phlasphy | i was with ubuntu for a week and i just went back to windows |
| 06:51.07 | onetinsoldier | install sid |
| 06:51.15 | phlasphy | unstable? |
| 06:51.28 | onetinsoldier | yeah... exciting |
| 06:51.33 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 06:51.34 | loca|host | phlasphy, unstable is going to be stable on december |
| 06:51.42 | loca|host | correct me if am wrong |
| 06:51.44 | onetinsoldier | no.. testing is |
| 06:51.54 | phlasphy | when in december |
| 06:52.11 | onetinsoldier | testing, a.k.a etch... is soon to be the new 'stable' release |
| 06:52.17 | phlasphy | ok |
| 06:52.22 | phlasphy | how soon |
| 06:52.40 | onetinsoldier | on Nov. 16, word was they were still shotting for Dec. |
| 06:52.46 | onetinsoldier | but i wouldn't count on it |
| 06:52.57 | phlasphy | Pros: 100% free, excellent documentation and community resources, well-tested, painless software installation with apt-get. |
| 06:52.58 | phlasphy | Cons: Slow release cycle, the stable version tends to be out-dated. |
| 06:52.59 | onetinsoldier | still, etch is plenty stable enough at this point |
| 06:53.27 | onetinsoldier | etch packages are partly 'frozen' already |
| 06:53.35 | phlasphy | frozen? |
| 06:53.52 | onetinsoldier | yeah.... |
| 06:53.56 | phlasphy | that means |
| 06:54.06 | onetinsoldier | http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
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| 06:55.03 | onetinsoldier | just take my word for it, get etch... or if you want an exciting life, upgrade to sid(not recommended) after installing etch |
| 06:55.40 | phlasphy | ok i will think about it? |
| 06:55.43 | onetinsoldier | k |
| 06:56.25 | RichiH | 07:50:38 < loca|host> phlasphy, unstable is going to be stable on december |
| 06:56.35 | RichiH | unstable will stay unstabe unto eternity |
| 06:57.13 | phlasphy | lol |
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| 06:59.46 | onetinsoldier | btw, i think frozen essintially means no more 'new upstream' packages are allowed |
| 06:59.52 | onetinsoldier | essentially* |
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| 07:01.06 | nvz | RichiH: that all depends on what happens when it goes sentient and kills us off |
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| 07:03.07 | onetinsoldier | Skynet |
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| 07:05.05 | RichiH | nvz: true |
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| 07:25.08 | sobersabre | hi, what can make 2 ssh servers behave differently to the same client, if they both have the same sshd_config |
| 07:25.09 | sobersabre | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:25.47 | jax31 | diff ssh version? |
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| 07:27.29 | g333k | Hi, if I mount a ntfs partition from another PC using samba... can I delete files without problems? |
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| 07:29.03 | jax31 | yes, but you can get problems if you have weird characters in filenames. |
| 07:29.06 | SkareCrow | is it possible to lock people out of root if there ip doesnt match 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.1.100 - 192.168.1.125 |
| 07:29.39 | g333k | jax31, I mean just deleting files in the ntfs mounted partition |
| 07:32.02 | jax31 | <SkareCrow> remote root login is dangerous, and disabled by default. What do you mean by locking out people: ssh, telnet |
| 07:32.25 | bruddah | i get this error from synaptic: E: This installation run will require temporarily removing the essential package e2fsprogs due to a Conflicts/Pre-Depends loop. This is often bad, but if you really want to do it, activate the APT::Force-LoopBreak option. |
| 07:32.25 | bruddah | E: Internal Error, Could not early remove e2fsprogs |
| 07:32.33 | bruddah | how do i fix it? |
| 07:32.39 | SkareCrow | jax31: ssh |
| 07:33.00 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: first you need to upgrade to sarge, then upgrade to unstable or whatever you're doing. |
| 07:33.21 | bruddah | ok |
| 07:34.30 | onetinsoldier | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 07:34.30 | dpkg | i guess e2fsprogs loop is you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian etch or sid which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 07:35.24 | bruddah | im upgrading to etch |
| 07:35.41 | bruddah | oh nevermind |
| 07:35.44 | onetinsoldier | cool... that as fae as you're going? |
| 07:35.47 | bruddah | thats what its saying |
| 07:35.49 | onetinsoldier | far* |
| 07:35.53 | onetinsoldier | roger |
| 07:36.08 | bruddah | thnx |
| 07:36.47 | bruddah | does etch == unstable or testing? |
| 07:36.54 | onetinsoldier | testing |
| 07:36.59 | bruddah | gotcha thnx |
| 07:37.00 | jax31 | <g333k> It should not be a problem. But again weird char in filenames can make deleting some files hard/impossible. If so check codepage in samba config. |
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| 07:37.35 | bruddah | how do you search what packages you actually have installed from the command line? |
| 07:37.43 | SkareCrow | ahh never mind ;) |
| 07:37.50 | SkareCrow | i figured out my problem |
| 07:38.02 | bruddah | apt-cache searches all packages regardless of state yeah? |
| 07:38.04 | g333k | Does linux still not have full support to manage ntfs fs? |
| 07:38.23 | jax31 | <SkareCrow>Any logged in user can become root via su if they know the password. |
| 07:38.40 | onetinsoldier | dpkg -l | grep <pattern> |
| 07:38.40 | dpkg | ii | grep <pattern> 1.3-3 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 07:38.47 | onetinsoldier | doh! |
| 07:38.56 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 07:39.02 | bruddah | heh |
| 07:39.12 | SkareCrow | i know this, i was asking how to block out root to anyone other then certain ip's |
| 07:39.43 | SkareCrow | i can create a script to do it, but it can easily be escaped if you exit it fast enough |
| 07:39.57 | onetinsoldier | or... to list them all.. dpkg -l | less or.... dpkg -l |awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' |
| 07:39.58 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: is there a way to get filesize too? |
| 07:40.29 | bruddah | im trying to remove all the big packages i don't need so i don't have to sit around while they upgrade |
| 07:40.34 | Guerin | !ds |
| 07:40.34 | dpkg | ds is probably a little perl script that lists installed Debian packages in descending size order. It's available at http://wooledge.org/~greg/ds |
| 07:40.40 | jax31 | <SkareCrow>use a ekstra sshd with a diff config |
| 07:40.45 | bruddah | Guerin: i love you |
| 07:40.46 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: hmmm, i don't know about that one, sorry |
| 07:40.51 | Guerin | !aww |
| 07:40.51 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 07:41.12 | onetinsoldier | ds eh? cool |
| 07:41.16 | bruddah | Guerin: there a repository for that? |
| 07:41.25 | bruddah | oh nevermind |
| 07:41.27 | bruddah | its small |
| 07:41.46 | Guerin | bruddah: not packaged for debian, it's just a perl script written by an old (ancient) op |
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| 07:42.34 | bruddah | i surprised thats not built into apt |
| 07:42.37 | bruddah | real handy |
| 07:43.07 | jax31 | <g333k>almost full. It have some problems with streams. Pretty impressing reverse engineering. |
| 07:43.31 | Guerin | jax31: use : instead of < > around nicks |
| 07:43.41 | Guerin | jax31: otherwise you look like you're quoting people |
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| 07:45.00 | bruddah | they should port mIRC to linux ;) |
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| 07:45.30 | Guerin | bruddah: why? Not enough retards use linux to make it worthwhile. |
| 07:45.36 | jax31 | are trying out a new irc client (LostIRC). Its not my future choice :-) |
| 07:45.47 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 07:45.48 | dpkg | it has been said that irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
| 07:45.49 | bruddah | Guerin: actually i think quite a few retards use linux |
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| 07:46.04 | Guerin | bruddah: nothing compared to the number who use windows ;) |
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| 07:47.08 | jax31 | telnet is a good irc client :-) very lean. |
| 07:47.34 | bruddah | yeah raw data 0wns you! |
| 07:47.38 | qwertz | Hi, have a Problem with the utf8 encoding that sarge (at least I think so) uses. firefox sets the default enocding of some websites to utf8 althouch they have a "charset=iso-8859-1" meta tag - so did anybody experience a similar problem and did find a solution? |
| 07:48.39 | jax31 | firefox/debian version? |
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| 07:49.45 | bruddah | besides the packages and their respective tools is there anything else that makes a distro "debian"? |
| 07:49.57 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: the packages is the distribution. |
| 07:50.10 | dondelelcaro | everything else is stuff that we use to help make the packages |
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| 07:50.25 | sobersabre | hi. I have a question: Is it possible to add a group to a group ? |
| 07:50.25 | sobersabre | :) |
| 07:50.25 | sobersabre | with regular passwd files |
| 07:50.25 | sobersabre | I mean passwd, group etc. |
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| 07:50.29 | bruddah | gotcha so firefox can be debian, but debian isn't firefox |
| 07:50.39 | bruddah | that kind of mentality |
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| 07:50.55 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: part of; it's like asking is a piece of your hair you? |
| 07:51.16 | bruddah | gotcha |
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| 07:51.41 | sobersabre | there's a bot BULL ... it shall be killed. |
| 07:51.50 | bruddah | heh im renaming apt-get to apt-hair |
| 07:52.20 | bruddah | fg |
| 07:52.27 | bruddah | oops wrong window |
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| 07:55.21 | lastnode | how do i set my local to en_GB? doesnt 'export LANG=en_GB' work ? |
| 07:55.59 | qwertz | jax31, firefox 1.5.0.7, debian 4.0 |
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| 07:57.14 | snadge | does anyone else have a problem with latest debian sid, where applications are not showing up in the window button panel applet? |
| 07:57.51 | bruddah | how would i do this in real life? dpkg -l gnome|apt-get remove |
| 07:58.25 | jax31 | qwertz: has same problem with debian etch, no problem in ubuntu with firefox ver 2.0 |
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| 07:59.00 | dondelelcaro | snadge: if someone does, there will be bugs filed in the bts. |
| 07:59.29 | snadge | dondelelcaro, im not sure what the package name for the task switching applet is ;) |
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| 08:01.13 | dondelelcaro | snadge: depends which desktop; you should be able to click on it and have it tell you what it's called... that should enable you to search for which package contains it. |
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| 08:01.22 | loca|host | how to let vi display the current line and the position inside the viewed file ? |
| 08:01.24 | onetinsoldier | bruddah : i don't think that will work |
| 08:01.44 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: i know that was pseudocommand |
| 08:01.53 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: im fishing for the real way |
| 08:01.53 | onetinsoldier | bruddah : ok |
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| 08:02.22 | onetinsoldier | i didn't make this myself, but something more like the following... |
| 08:02.31 | snadge | its called "Window List Applet" - and im sure the debian package has nothing to do with that description |
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| 08:02.56 | onetinsoldier | dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | while read p s; do [ "$s" = "install" ] && echo -n "$p "; done | xargs apt-get install --reinstall |
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| 08:03.13 | onetinsoldier | bruddah : oops.. hang on... that's to reinstall |
| 08:03.18 | mhall | heya all |
| 08:03.39 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: i was like... wtf... heh |
| 08:03.40 | mhall | just finished a fun code project today; taught myself Java NIO |
| 08:04.07 | bruddah | just say NIO to Java! |
| 08:04.15 | mhall | bruddah: I did. :-D |
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| 08:04.56 | snadge | dondelelcaro, i found the problem.. for whatever reason, the window list applets default maximum and minimum size is set to 0.. changing these values to 1000 allows me to see the applications.. i'd like to check though to see if this has been reported, or report this myself |
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| 08:06.10 | onetinsoldier | dpkg --get-selections | while read p s; do [ "$s" = "install" ] && echo -n "$p "; done | grep gnome | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 08:06.17 | loca|host | how to let vi display the current line and the position inside the viewed file ? |
| 08:06.37 | onetinsoldier | that might work... i would try it though. i haven't tested it |
| 08:06.43 | onetinsoldier | *wouldn't! |
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| 08:07.19 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: heh i had my scrollbar up and i was like.... whys he taking forever to respond... then i was like.. wait nobodys talking |
| 08:07.27 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 08:07.39 | snadge | also.. the keyboard shortcuts preferences in gnome, is broken.. it doesnt allow me to configure alt-tab behaviour etc |
| 08:07.40 | onetinsoldier | i had to think about how to edit it |
| 08:08.17 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: that didn't work LOL it started removing all my packages |
| 08:08.23 | onetinsoldier | doh! |
| 08:08.35 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: and i couldn't kill it LOL i had to close the window |
| 08:08.42 | onetinsoldier | i'm suprised.. the grep gnome is in there |
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| 08:09.09 | onetinsoldier | maybe the grep gnome has to go towrads the front |
| 08:09.17 | onetinsoldier | so is your system screwed now? |
| 08:10.25 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: no i killed it before it actually DID anything |
| 08:10.30 | onetinsoldier | good |
| 08:10.51 | onetinsoldier | you must have been quick! |
| 08:11.08 | bruddah | i just clicked the x on the xterm window |
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| 08:11.17 | chemaja | what's the deal with Etch's debian-installer making a 200MB root partition when doing guided-partitioning for the entire 20GB disk? shouldn't it be bigger? I'm already at 60% use after a clean install + Standard System task + x-window-system + gnome |
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| 08:11.19 | YoussefAssad | good morning folks |
| 08:11.37 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: because a 200M root is perfectly ok. |
| 08:11.46 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: o rly |
| 08:11.52 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: almost all of the space is in /usr, /home, /var, and other partitions. |
| 08:11.58 | nachos | hey |
| 08:12.05 | nachos | how can i install all the man pages? |
| 08:12.08 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: i'm mainly worried about some dumb package filling up /etc |
| 08:12.13 | onetinsoldier | good morning YoussefAssad |
| 08:12.14 | nachos | i dont have a manpage for C functions |
| 08:12.22 | YoussefAssad | So, I'm jumping ship from ubuntu; the kool-aid is choking me. Which is preferable for a lappie, testing or unstable? |
| 08:12.24 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: i can always move /root to /var or something and symlink back |
| 08:12.25 | YoussefAssad | 'lo onetinsoldier |
| 08:12.43 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: packages should never be writing stuff to /etc; only configuration files go there. |
| 08:12.58 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: what about /lib? |
| 08:13.11 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: there's almost nothing in /lib |
| 08:13.24 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: what i'm trying to get at is, over time, /lib and /etc will probably grow and fill it as i install stuff. but if you say it's okay, i'll trust you... |
| 08:13.53 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: only the base system sticks stuff in /lib; by doing the install, you've filled up /lib with as much stuff as it will ever have. |
| 08:14.14 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: you should make sure nothing that you want is marked for being purged now.... |
| 08:14.25 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: i suppose there's some Debian Policy for "protecting" /etc from being filled up, ie. packaging policy.. |
| 08:14.46 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: yes... policy for one; the fact that a lot of us are running with small root filesystems is another. |
| 08:14.59 | chemaja | dondelelcaro: ok, cool. thanks |
| 08:15.13 | qwertz | Hi, is there a possibility to undo the last "apt-get upgrade" if I experience troubles after the upgrade? |
| 08:15.20 | dondelelcaro | qwertz: no. |
| 08:15.28 | dondelelcaro | (well, not trivially, anyway) |
| 08:15.29 | centrx | NO |
| 08:15.51 | centrx | IT WILL WORK TRUST ME |
| 08:16.03 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: lose the caps, please. |
| 08:16.10 | cydork | centrx: ^^ |
| 08:16.17 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/status' near line 2082 package `dia-common' |
| 08:16.19 | Chandu | hi cydork |
| 08:16.25 | cydork | Chandu: hiya |
| 08:16.33 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: restore the status file from a backup |
| 08:16.34 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: heh that last command stripped the verison fields out somehow heh |
| 08:16.43 | Chandu | cydork, We launched our product for beta tesing in FOSS.IN last week |
| 08:16.43 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: omg |
| 08:16.57 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: no backup heh |
| 08:16.58 | Chandu | cydork, You can login to our irc #BOSS-nrcfoss |
| 08:17.03 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: you have backups in /var/backups |
| 08:17.11 | cydork | Chandu: ya sure.. |
| 08:17.13 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: i luv you! |
| 08:17.24 | Chandu | hi folks |
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| 08:17.30 | dondelelcaro | losing the status database is *bad*. |
| 08:17.52 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: whats the syntax for extracting the backup? |
| 08:17.55 | Chandu | Iam inviting all to join the irc of Indian Version of Linux based on Debian etch called BOSS at #BOSS-nrcfoss |
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| 08:18.21 | bruddah | Chandu: like native american or india indian? |
| 08:18.39 | Chandu | bruddah, India |
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| 08:18.43 | Kanwal--f | anybody have yahoochat working properly in linux? Big reward |
| 08:18.48 | dondelelcaro | bruddah: cp /var/backups/dpkg-status.0 /var/lib/dpkg/status; |
| 08:18.54 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: thnx |
| 08:18.57 | dondelelcaro | (or whatever it actually is; working from memory) |
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| 08:19.26 | dondelelcaro | you may need to use one of the gzipped status files if that's corrupted; I'd suggest copying them all before doing anything major with dpkg |
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| 08:19.54 | madman215 | hello everyone |
| 08:20.01 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: thqank god for backups! |
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| 08:20.09 | onetinsoldier | madman215: howdy |
| 08:20.09 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: no shit haha |
| 08:20.20 | bruddah | dondelelcaro: thanks that worked like a charm |
| 08:20.45 | rohan | i have a question - how come debian enables mp3, when all distros like suse, fc, ubuntu leave it disabled. is debian not restricted by those 'laws' too ? (just a curious question, no accusing ;p) |
| 08:20.51 | madman215 | onetinsoldier, whats going on |
| 08:21.04 | dondelelcaro | rohan: we only have the decoders enabled, not the encoders. |
| 08:21.22 | rohan | dondelelcaro: i see, so decoding mp3 is not a "crime" ? |
| 08:21.26 | dondelelcaro | rohan: and the encoders we do have are presumably not affected by the fraunhoffer patents. |
| 08:21.31 | Kanwal--f | anybody have yahoochat working properly in linux? Big reward |
| 08:21.41 | rohan | dondelelcaro: ofcourse, ogg and flac are not affected |
| 08:21.43 | dondelelcaro | rohan: you're talking about civil liability, not criminal. |
| 08:21.50 | Chandu | bruddah, are you from India |
| 08:22.04 | onetinsoldier | madman215: oh, i'm just working on screwing up bruddah's debian system with some bash on the command line, lol. |
| 08:22.05 | rohan | dondelelcaro: yes, criminal was a wrong word, i did not know the right word |
| 08:22.10 | rohan | Chandu: you are from india, right ? |
| 08:22.12 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: i don't think that apt thing worked because it ouputted all the packages as one string therefore defeating grep |
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| 08:22.28 | rohan | ah, i see ... debian does not have packages like lame ? or any such.. |
| 08:22.33 | dondelelcaro | rohan: no |
| 08:22.36 | Ilovemypuppy | whats the other irc server for debian? |
| 08:22.36 | eeyore- | howdy |
| 08:22.38 | Chandu | rohan, yup |
| 08:22.41 | madman215 | onetinsoldier, hahaha |
| 08:22.41 | dondelelcaro | Ilovemypuppy: irc.debian.org |
| 08:22.43 | bruddah | chandu: no im from hawaii |
| 08:22.57 | rohan | Chandu: city, if i may ask ? |
| 08:23.00 | Chandu | bruddah, ok fine |
| 08:23.09 | Trewas | rohan: the main point is that debian does not have much money so is not atractive target for suing, both decoders and encoders have patent portfolios which should be licensed |
| 08:23.13 | Chandu | rohan, sure . Basically Iam from Bangalore working in Chennai |
| 08:23.24 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: depends on the decoding method used, actually... |
| 08:23.28 | Chandu | rohan, Hope you are also from India , where r u from |
| 08:23.32 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: that's why i said on one of my resposes that perhaps the 'grep gnome' really need to stay towards the front. such as..... |
| 08:23.38 | rohan | Chandu: yes, mumbai. |
| 08:23.50 | rohan | Trewas: so, even including the decoder is not "right" .. ? |
| 08:23.53 | Chandu | rohan, fine |
| 08:23.58 | dondelelcaro | and as from what I've been lead to believe, libmad isn't covered by a patent which is being actively enforced |
| 08:24.00 | onetinsoldier | dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | while read p s; do [ "$s" = "install" ] && echo -n "$p "; done | xargs dpkg --purge |
| 08:24.10 | dondelelcaro | rohan: using the encoder is one thing; distributing it is another |
| 08:24.15 | Chandu | rohan, you can login to our irc #BOSS-nrcfoss are freenode |
| 08:24.18 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: thats what i was thinking ;) |
| 08:24.20 | onetinsoldier | if you run that make sure you have that status file backed up! |
| 08:24.26 | dondelelcaro | rohan: patents can't cover use by private individuals; they can only enjoin distribution. |
| 08:24.27 | rohan | dondelelcaro: i am talking about decoders for now |
| 08:24.36 | rohan | ah, i see |
| 08:24.41 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: its in the same place as before... i just copied it |
| 08:24.42 | onetinsoldier | it's untested |
| 08:24.43 | dondelelcaro | rohan: subtitute decoder for encoder; it's the same thing. |
| 08:25.10 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: i took out the xargs statement to test output... looks good |
| 08:25.11 | rohan | ok, so debian distributing the decoder too is not right from the civil liability point of view ? |
| 08:25.22 | dondelelcaro | rohan: we don't know |
| 08:25.24 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: mp3 and mpeg4 are at least definitely out, but I guess from the licensors point of view it does not matter if someone who does not have money distributes decoders, just serves to make the encoding mehtod more popular as more people can use it |
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| 08:25.35 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: i'd make another backup! and do something like dpkg --get-selections >my_packages.list |
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| 08:25.45 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: specific methods of decoding them are, but not all methods |
| 08:26.21 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Infringment can include use of a patent, IIRC. |
| 08:26.22 | dondelelcaro | (or rather s/are/may be/, and s/not all/afaik, not all/ |
| 08:26.26 | rohan | dondelelcaro: but if that was the case, then each and every distro would distribute the decoders. |
| 08:26.30 | dondelelcaro | karsten: not privately |
| 08:26.37 | karsten | dondelelcaro: One sec. |
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| 08:26.43 | karsten | dondelelcaro: And says whom? |
| 08:27.12 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: those are the patents you get to "use" when you pay the mp3 license fees, http://www.mp3licensing.com/patents/index.html, which one of them is the imporant? :) |
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| 08:27.45 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: didn't delete packages with dependancy issues |
| 08:27.49 | dondelelcaro | karsten: hrm... actually, you may be right... |
| 08:27.57 | bruddah | anyone know how to run xterm with a scrollbar? |
| 08:28.09 | dondelelcaro | of course, true private use is basically not actionable |
| 08:28.16 | rohan | dondelelcaro: see, there is a fee for including decoders |
| 08:28.20 | karsten | dondelelcaro: 35 USC 271: "whoever without authority makes, uses, offers to sell, or sells any patented invention within the United States or imports into the United States any patented invention during the term of the patent therfor, infringes the patent." |
| 08:28.26 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: but it worked otherwise? |
| 08:28.36 | karsten | dondelelcaro: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode35/usc_sec_35_00000271----000-.html |
| 08:28.37 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: yeah |
| 08:28.41 | mhall | Flashlight: a case for storing used batteries until it's time to recycle them. |
| 08:28.47 | onetinsoldier | cool.... |
| 08:28.53 | dondelelcaro | karsten: right, but if the use is truely private, no one will know if you've used it |
| 08:28.57 | karsten | dondelelcaro: It may not be *practical* to pursue such infringemnt widely. |
| 08:29.03 | dondelelcaro | karsten: so it's basically not actionable |
| 08:29.06 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: if you want, try.... |
| 08:29.17 | karsten | dondelelcaro: Doesn't mean you're legally scott-free. |
| 08:29.27 | onetinsoldier | dpkg --get-selections | grep gnome | while read p s; do [ "$s" = "install" ] && echo -n "$p "; done | xargs dpkg --purge --force-depends |
| 08:29.28 | rohan | exactly |
| 08:29.37 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: at your own risk |
| 08:29.44 | dondelelcaro | karsten: no, it just means that no one can really do anything against you; you'd have to use the invention and distribute what the invention makes |
| 08:29.50 | karsten | dondelelcaro: I'd say you're passing out bogus advice here in channel. |
| 08:29.54 | rohan | but then, my question still remains - how can debian distribute the decoders ? or it just does so, thinking "ha, no one can sue me ?" |
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| 08:30.10 | dondelelcaro | karsten: by definition, what I'm discussing isn't advice. |
| 08:30.38 | dondelelcaro | (since neither I, nor you are attorneys licensed to practice law, nor if we were, have we entered into any sort of attorney/client relationship) |
| 08:30.41 | bruddah | why doesn't xterm have a scrollbar :( |
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| 08:31.00 | karsten | bruddah: IIRC there's a switch "-sb" or "+sb". RTFM. |
| 08:31.03 | rohan | dondelelcaro: let us leave the leagal obligations aside |
| 08:31.27 | bruddah | karsten: i did i didn't see that option. thnx though |
| 08:31.29 | rohan | so, in short debian distributing the decoders - is it 'legal' or no ? (not that i care, i am just curious) |
| 08:31.34 | dondelelcaro | Trewas: the critical aspect is that the patent covers a method; if you don't use the method, you're fine. |
| 08:31.37 | dondelelcaro | rohan: no one knows. |
| 08:31.49 | mhall | onetinsoldier: dpkg --get-selections | awk '/gnome/ { if ($2 ~ /install/) print $1; }' | xargs dpkg --purge --force-depends |
| 08:32.01 | rohan | i see |
| 08:32.04 | karsten | bruddah: There are also plenty of terms with scrollbars. I'm fond of rxvt-unicode m'self. |
| 08:32.19 | mhall | rohan: ok here is the trick |
| 08:32.37 | bruddah | karsten: +sb didn't do anything |
| 08:32.38 | mhall | rohan: the patent infringement does not hit until you use the patented technology |
| 08:32.54 | dondelelcaro | rohan: there are way too many patents which have been filed which are far too vague to ever be able to answer that question. |
| 08:32.57 | bruddah | karsten: using rxvt thnx |
| 08:32.57 | karsten | bruddah: Mind that patent law is generally _civil_ not _criminal_ law. That is: the cops aren't going to bust you (though they may be involved on certain cases particularly in copyright infringement, which is another matter) |
| 08:32.59 | onetinsoldier | mhall: ok, thank you. give that to bruddah. :) he's wanting to purge all gnome stuff |
| 08:33.05 | rohan | mhall: so debian is not "liable" until it actually "decodes" the mp3 ? |
| 08:33.10 | mhall | rohan: because there are countries where it isn't patented, we can distribute that, and it's up to users not to use stuff which is not patented |
| 08:33.12 | Trewas | dondelelcaro: I guess some decoders may be OK |
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| 08:33.18 | karsten | bruddah: ... it's that patent law gives sanction to the patent holder to seek civil remedy (eg: sue your ass). |
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| 08:33.34 | rohan | mhall: oh, then why don't other distros follow suit ? |
| 08:33.36 | dondelelcaro | mhall: we can't export it from the US though, which is the key point. |
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| 08:33.54 | rohan | i mean, if the answer is so obvious, no one would ever pay the license fee to fraunhoffer |
| 08:33.57 | dondelelcaro | rohan: they have different legal advice and or willingless to accept this type of liabilities than Debian does |
| 08:33.58 | karsten | bruddah: xterm -sb --(rightbar|leftbar) |
| 08:34.02 | bruddah | karsten: why are you tellin me this stuff? |
| 08:34.02 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ah, so it's non-US? |
| 08:34.17 | dondelelcaro | mhall: it's *never* in US... |
| 08:34.20 | mhall | rohan: i think some probably do |
| 08:34.40 | Trewas | rohan: I think the official stance is that debian does not care about patents unless they are actively enforced, mp3/mpeg4 licenses are (which is why no commercial distro has them) so I have always assumed that debian excepts them because of the money which is it does not have :) |
| 08:34.50 | karsten | bruddah: I'm confused and should be asleep... |
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| 08:35.10 | rohan | Trewas: exactly, so it is unconcerned because even if it is sued, it wont be able to pay |
| 08:35.20 | mhall | dondelelcaro: i'm a little confused: sudo apt-get install --reinstall mpg321 ... Get:1 http://mirrors2.kernel.org unstable/main mpg321 0.2.10.3 [35.0kB] |
| 08:35.20 | rohan | lol, real nice .. almost as if saying "BALLS !" to fraunhoffer |
| 08:35.29 | dondelelcaro | mhall: that uses libmad |
| 08:35.32 | bruddah | fg |
| 08:35.33 | mhall | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 08:35.50 | rohan | oh, libmad is 'free' ? |
| 08:35.57 | rohan | as in, non patent encumbered ? |
| 08:36.04 | dondelelcaro | rohan: that's unknowable, unfortunatly. |
| 08:36.05 | mhall | dondelelcaro: Get:1 http://mirrors2.kernel.org unstable/main libmad0 0.15.1b-2.1 [74.8kB] |
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| 08:36.29 | rohan | ok |
| 08:36.35 | buu | Hrm. How do I restart inetd? |
| 08:36.40 | karsten | rohan: It's highly probable that virtually any non-trivial (and even trivial) software infringes some patent or another. |
| 08:36.54 | dondelelcaro | rohan: someone, right now, could be sitting on a patent which covers the exact methodology that libmad uses, and could sue everyone for patent infringement tomorrow. |
| 08:36.54 | karsten | buu: /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 08:37.04 | karsten | buu: ... or kill -HUP the pid. |
| 08:37.10 | dondelelcaro | we'll never know until they sue |
| 08:37.11 | mhall | Trewas: that's not quite the reason; i think it's more to do with that fraunhoffer has some kind of license exemption for mp3 |
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| 08:37.21 | mhall | Trewas: as long as it's freely distributed open source code |
| 08:37.21 | buu | $ /etc/init.d/inetd restart |
| 08:37.22 | buu | bash: /etc/init.d/inetd: No such file or directory |
| 08:37.31 | rohan | karsten, dondelelcaro .. aha, i see |
| 08:37.38 | rohan | thank you for making the situation clear |
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| 08:37.56 | mhall | Trewas: a more classical case would be GIF compression until recently, this had to be sent to gimp-nonfree, etc. packages. |
| 08:38.02 | karsten | rohan: ... however if they wait until libmad becomes the globally accepted standard and attempt to sue ten years from now, things such as laches and other limitations come into effect. |
| 08:38.10 | onetinsoldier | buu: ls /etc/init.d/ | grep inet |
| 08:38.15 | Trewas | mhall: it used to have, then they silently removed the exemption and there was huge outcry when some slashdotter noticed |
| 08:38.16 | karsten | mhall: That was lwz compression? |
| 08:38.21 | rohan | ok |
| 08:38.34 | mhall | Trewas: ah, i wasn't up to date on that point |
| 08:38.37 | mhall | karsten: LZW |
| 08:38.40 | mhall | karsten: yes |
| 08:38.40 | buu | onetinsoldier: Er, woah. I have openbsd-inetd? |
| 08:38.42 | Trewas | mhall: current license fees are there http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/, does not seem to have any exemptins |
| 08:38.54 | mhall | Trewas: ya i'd seen the license fees a while back |
| 08:38.56 | onetinsoldier | buu: yep |
| 08:39.08 | karsten | buu: You're in a better position to answer that than us. |
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| 08:39.43 | mhall | Trewas: another thing, you can get around many patents by reading the patent and implementing differently |
| 08:40.03 | mhall | Trewas: C and ASM are pretty flexible (Turing-complete, etc.) so there's more than one way to skin a cat |
| 08:40.21 | rohan | mhall: like, chaning one variable name throughout, in the code, and hence having a different product ? |
| 08:40.26 | rohan | or there is more to that ? |
| 08:40.26 | buu | onetinsoldier: When did debian start coming with openbsd-inetd? |
| 08:40.46 | karsten | rohan: Um. Proabably not that easy. |
| 08:41.01 | dondelelcaro | buu: that's basically been the one we've been distributing for some time. |
| 08:41.12 | mhall | Trewas: this convenience was used by OpenBSD: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35 |
| 08:41.15 | mhall | rohan: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#35 |
| 08:41.20 | karsten | buu: less /usr/share/doc/openbsd-inetd/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 08:41.28 | karsten | buu: .... assuming lesspipe... |
| 08:41.33 | mhall | rohan: the variable name stunt might not even get you past copyright, much less patent |
| 08:41.41 | karsten | buu: Otherwise, zless. |
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| 08:41.47 | bruddah | mental note.... apt-get upgrade != apt-get update |
| 08:41.52 | mhall | rohan: though if you read some code, thought about it, and fixed bugs, you'd be in the clear for copyright |
| 08:41.53 | karsten | mhall: s/might not/won't/ |
| 08:42.02 | mhall | karsten: my bad |
| 08:42.06 | karsten | rohan: patent covers ideas, not expression. |
| 08:42.14 | mhall | rohan: as for patent, you need a different method, usually |
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| 08:42.23 | mhall | rohan: openbsd had a perfect story of how they did this |
| 08:42.29 | rohan | ok |
| 08:42.30 | karsten | rohan: Changing names w/o changing method likely will get you absolutely nowhere. |
| 08:42.36 | Trewas | mhall: sure, but good luch trying to code around patents for example for h.264: http://www.mpegla.com/m4v/M4VCrossRef.pdf marks the "essential" parts of the patents the license covers to help the task :) |
| 08:42.42 | mhall | rohan: also a perfect story of why patents on software are bad |
| 08:43.12 | onetinsoldier | buu: i think it's had a few different inetd packages available for quite some time now... netkit-inetd, openbsd-inetd, rlinetd, xinetd, inetutils-inetd. i'm using inetutils-inetd |
| 08:43.21 | mhall | Trewas: i dunno. i think there's a lot more C and ASM you can cook up, than they can cook up rules regulations and inconveniences |
| 08:43.51 | buu | onetinsoldier: Every time I looked it was always called /etc/inet.d/inetd =/ |
| 08:43.54 | buu | Er, init |
| 08:43.58 | mhall | Trewas: the real question is going to be, if it is worth the trouble: for h264 you can bojank codecs written and freely distributed by those with rights. |
| 08:44.17 | mhall | Trewas: and many other things are just proprietary crap, you don't really need anyways |
| 08:44.24 | nonix4 | How do I boot an mdrun-less initrd which has out-of-date mdadm.conf? |
| 08:44.33 | mhall | Trewas: the more insidious stuff would be stuff like, business method or interface patents |
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| 08:44.43 | rohan | ok, i have to leave .. bbl. thanks for the clearing up :) |
| 08:45.08 | onetinsoldier | buu: yes, it was called that for a very long time in the /etc/init.d dir, i think no matter which package you ahd installed. i don't know when that changed |
| 08:45.08 | mhall | welcome to the horrid world of corporate hegemony, all. :-< |
| 08:45.19 | nonix4 | (misses one of the added raid devices, thus breaking up the LVM setup on top of the raid devices) |
| 08:45.42 | mhall | nonix4: ouch |
| 08:46.12 | mhall | nonix4: how about linux single ? |
| 08:46.14 | Trewas | mhall: I am not very fond of the patent system and not trying to argue that it is good, just that it is quite unlikely that someone could make a mpeg4-decoder which codes around all of the patents, mp3 at least has far fewer of those |
| 08:46.18 | nonix4 | mhall: w/ mdrun I could at least boot such... N.B. I'm doing this by e-mail w/ a clueless local admin on the other end. |
| 08:46.28 | mhall | nonix4: aww crap |
| 08:46.44 | mhall | nonix4: that's a shit job |
| 08:47.16 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: how's it coming? you getting close to being ready to dist-upgrade to etch? |
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| 08:48.23 | nonix4 | mhall: back in the dark ages mdrun worked in such situations, but now that it has been removed... Hmm... |
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| 08:50.37 | mhall | nonix4: ya i'm not sure what to tell you. 1) i never used it in the dark days, only on modern SATA stuff in 2.6 2) i am very very scared of LVM |
| 08:51.08 | saltia | how can i set my vmware in order to have a good conexion (virtual ethernet) between my debian and windows xp (gest). Now they have 4kb. Any help? |
| 08:51.36 | mhall | saltia: it's unclear, what you mean by 4kb |
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| 08:52.58 | liable | 4k kernel stacks? |
| 08:53.21 | mhall | liable: haha |
| 08:53.27 | chemaja | is it wise to put iptables rules as an ifup trigger as Debian Reference seems to indicate, or is this silly? I've just got eth0 (dhcp, inet-facing) and lo, and want to do some simple config for basic protection |
| 08:53.41 | moshii | saltia: you mean the connection between the real machine and virtual one is slow? |
| 08:53.53 | karsten | chemaja: ifup trigger on lo is how I've seen it recommended. |
| 08:54.07 | karsten | chemaja: That way you're assured the firewall is always up. |
| 08:54.09 | mhall | Eclipse 3.2.x for Debian is finally in experimental. Woohoo. |
| 08:54.30 | chemaja | karsten: i suppose i have to take care of idempotency myself |
| 08:54.37 | cydork | mhall: it's not in etch anymore :( |
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| 08:54.53 | karsten | chemaja: Um. Pardon? |
| 08:55.12 | saltia | moshii, yes. really poor |
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| 08:55.39 | karsten | chemaja: iptables startup generally should flush all rules, then reestablish them. The global transaction is idempotent since it starts from a clean slate each time. |
| 08:55.59 | saltia | moshii, real machine is a debian and guest is a window$$ Xp. Iptables are ok. |
| 08:56.21 | chemaja | karsten: ok. 1sec (sorry im stuck on the phone) |
| 08:56.40 | moshii | saltia: what network type are you using, i recommend nat |
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| 08:58.07 | karsten | chemaja: I'm crashing out soon. |
| 08:58.13 | saltia | moshii, i supose nat. That is default one yes? |
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| 08:58.24 | chemaja | karsten: k i'll ponder it; ttyl :D thanks |
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| 08:58.53 | saltia | moshii, i am trying to move files and 'speed 'are 4kb between then. |
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| 08:59.51 | mhall | I wonder, if there are some multithreaded NIO handling libraries for Java. |
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| 09:02.26 | nonix4 | mhall: Hmm, able to send me a recent initrd? I don't have one here as I'm ircing w/ an obsolete box atm. |
| 09:02.39 | saltia | moshii, one thing: how can i know which interfe they are u¡sing??. Cause i have iptables rule: iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -s 192.168.1.4 -j ACCEP suppossing virtual machine goes on that interface |
| 09:03.29 | saltia | moshii, you know what i mean? |
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| 09:05.34 | mhall | Does anybody comprehend, how you can get azureus and eclipse to cooperate despite the SWT conflicts? |
| 09:05.46 | mhall | It's unbelievably stupid, you can't have both installed. |
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| 09:09.02 | Kim^J | Anyone know where I can study how I make a program using GTK??? |
| 09:09.06 | Kim^J | GTK and C++. |
| 09:09.45 | mhall | Kim^J: you probably don't really want GTK, that's in C and it's *ugly* |
| 09:09.54 | Kim^J | GTK+ ? |
| 09:09.58 | mhall | Kim^J: chances are good you might not want C++ either |
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| 09:10.05 | mhall | Kim^J: what are you trying to do? |
| 09:10.22 | Kim^J | mhall: Just a simple program that can calculate Ohm. |
| 09:10.41 | Kim^J | I know some C++. I can make it in text-mode only but I wanna make a neat UI to. |
| 09:10.44 | Kim^J | GUI* |
| 09:11.28 | mhall | Kim^J: alright, if you are up for experimenting, i suggest using Mono and GTK# |
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| 09:11.34 | dorel__ | Kim^J: how about qt? qt/c++ goes really well. |
| 09:11.40 | mhall | Kim^J: this is cleaner to program and will get you up and running quicker |
| 09:11.48 | linuxfreck | Kim^J: if you really want to use C++, use qt |
| 09:11.51 | dorel__ | mhall: gtk is ugly? |
| 09:11.56 | mhall | Kim^J: Qt is another possible choice but it's more complex than GTK# |
| 09:12.00 | Kim^J | dorel__: Yeah I know. But I can't really understand what I should do with the Qt .ui file. |
| 09:12.05 | mhall | dorel__: the C version is |
| 09:12.19 | dorel__ | mhall: I see. Is the c++ version any nicer? |
| 09:12.20 | mhall | dorel__: C++ is OK, C# one is real nice |
| 09:12.24 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: you still around? |
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| 09:12.36 | mhall | dorel__: yeah basically, you don't want to do GUI without objects |
| 09:12.44 | Kim^J | C# sounds really great cause then I can get help from the programming-teacher. |
| 09:12.56 | dorel__ | Kim^J: you don't "need to know" what to do with a .ui file, just grab an online tutorial from one of the qt sources (qtforum.org, qtnode.org or doc.trolltech.com) and follow it. |
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| 09:13.09 | Kim^J | dorel__: Oh. Ok. |
| 09:13.19 | dorel__ | mhall: right. |
| 09:13.20 | mhall | Kim^J: yeah, i have got a hello world link for GTK# |
| 09:13.41 | bruddah | woohoo 66% done with dist-upgrade... i can already taste etch |
| 09:13.47 | dorel__ | mhall: though gtk#/mono aren't default on distros, are they? |
| 09:13.50 | mhall | Kim^J: http://www.mono-project.com/GtkSharp |
| 09:14.16 | mhall | dorel__: personally, i've found, no matter what, use the absolute best programming tools you can |
| 09:14.21 | mhall | dorel__: and to hell with everything else |
| 09:14.39 | mhall | dorel__: but obviously this philosophy, it's not for everybody |
| 09:14.43 | dorel__ | mhall: :) |
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| 09:14.59 | Kim^J | Mono is like MS .Net right? |
| 09:15.09 | Kim^J | Or am I completely wrong? |
| 09:15.10 | mhall | dorel__: lately i've programmed in AWK, GAWK, Bash, C++, C, Java, Java JNI, C#, ... |
| 09:15.13 | bruddah | mono sucks. my cousin had it for like a month |
| 09:15.18 | mhall | Kim^J: nope you're on the right track |
| 09:15.22 | mhall | bruddah: </troll> |
| 09:15.26 | Kim^J | mhall: Ah kk. |
| 09:15.44 | mhall | Kim^J: it's just a linux version of it, some of the windows programs will run, cause they got Windows.Forms API going recently |
| 09:15.45 | bruddah | mhall: how the hell is that trolling? |
| 09:15.53 | mhall | bruddah: it was a joke; calm down |
| 09:16.02 | bruddah | mhall: oh. heh |
| 09:16.03 | Kim^J | Does anyone know which package I should install on an Ubuntu Edgy machine? |
| 09:16.06 | mhall | bruddah: ;-) |
| 09:16.31 | mhall | Kim^J: asking ubuntu questions in #d is frowned upon, http://packages.ubuntu.com/ |
| 09:16.34 | mhall | bruddah: lol |
| 09:16.50 | mhall | bruddah: i should put the smiley sooner, haha |
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| 09:17.42 | bruddah | mhall: speaking of putting things sooner. at least you didn't kill my dpkg status.. *winks at onetinsolider* |
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| 09:18.14 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: hehe... darn, i failed my mission to destroy! |
| 09:18.20 | onetinsoldier | ;) |
| 09:18.24 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: LOLOLOL |
| 09:18.54 | onetinsoldier | yeah.. i'm glad you were able to recover |
| 09:18.58 | onetinsoldier | whew! |
| 09:19.00 | bruddah | when dondelelcaro said there was i backup i did a little dance |
| 09:19.10 | bruddah | *a backup |
| 09:19.11 | onetinsoldier | so did i! i was sweating |
| 09:19.15 | bruddah | haha |
| 09:19.19 | onetinsoldier | i would have felt terrible |
| 09:19.35 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: its fine this is just a test box. i kill it like once every week |
| 09:19.48 | onetinsoldier | oh? ok. cool |
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| 09:20.02 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: just enjoy giving you a hard time hehe |
| 09:20.09 | mhall | bruddah: what happened? |
| 09:20.23 | bruddah | mhall: my computer ate itself |
| 09:20.28 | mhall | bruddah: f0ck |
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| 09:20.50 | bruddah | mhall: like rm -fr / except apt-get style |
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| 09:21.05 | Lakez | Parity Errors: http://paste-bin.com/1630 .. anyone have an idea? I've changed the Sata cables |
| 09:21.18 | onetinsoldier | mhall: one of those bash command line earlier, well you didn't see them all, but one of them messed up his dpkg database... /var/lib/dpkg/status file |
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| 09:21.55 | bruddah | mhall: it randomly ate all the version lines but left everything else in tact for some reason |
| 09:21.59 | onetinsoldier | mhall: thank heaven debian has a backup of it in /var/backup |
| 09:22.38 | bruddah | etch is at 92% w00h00 |
| 09:22.44 | onetinsoldier | sweet |
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| 09:23.06 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: you've haven't used etch yet? |
| 09:23.16 | bruddah | onetinsoldier: nope heh im a sid guy :) |
| 09:23.33 | bruddah | sid == stable yeah? |
| 09:23.36 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: cool. i used to use sid a few years back. |
| 09:23.43 | mhall | onetinsoldier: the status file scares me |
| 09:23.43 | onetinsoldier | no... |
| 09:23.53 | onetinsoldier | mhall: you're telling me |
| 09:23.57 | mhall | onetinsoldier: i kind of wish it used something a little safer to maintain it, like BDB |
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| 09:24.11 | mhall | onetinsoldier: but then if it broke it'd be harder to edit manually |
| 09:24.17 | mhall | onetinsoldier: and to write manipulation utils |
| 09:24.23 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: sarge = stable, etch = testing, sid = unstable |
| 09:24.26 | mhall | onetinsoldier: half a dozen of one, six of another |
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| 09:24.39 | onetinsoldier | mhall: hehe |
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| 09:24.56 | bruddah | oh |
| 09:25.01 | bruddah | im a sarge guy then |
| 09:25.18 | bruddah | i lied |
| 09:25.36 | onetinsoldier | mhall: it IS quite nice that it's a text file.. i have fixed a number of peoples problems through editing it, including one just today |
| 09:25.54 | bruddah | they should have based updates on something cool like serial killers not fucking Toy Story 2 |
| 09:25.56 | Kim^J | Ok ok... So I have installed the mono things now. How do I compile stuff? Like writing a simple "Hello World" program. |
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| 09:27.00 | mhall | Kim^J: mcs file.cs |
| 09:27.18 | Kim^J | mhall: Naahh... gmcs |
| 09:27.18 | bruddah | !e2fsprogs loop |
| 09:27.19 | dpkg | e2fsprogs loop is, like, you are running packages which are older than the current debian stable and are trying to upgrade to debian etch or sid which isn't supported, edit /etc/apt/sources.list and replace "testing" or "etch" or "unstable" with "stable" then apt-get update && apt-get upgrade; then if you still want testing, edit sources.list again, and change stable to testing and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:27.21 | Kim^J | I tryed some. |
| 09:27.30 | mhall | Kim^J: hmm |
| 09:27.50 | Kim^J | I installed mono-gmcs instead of mono-mcs |
| 09:28.01 | Kim^J | gmcs is C# 2.0 or something. |
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| 09:29.11 | bruddah | if you downgrade in your /etc/apt/sourcles.list does it delete your old (newer) packages? |
| 09:29.15 | blondie | !greenhouse |
| 09:29.15 | dpkg | Gentoo Linux causes global warming! Needlessly recompiling everything uses power. Fossil fuels are used to generate that power. Hug a tree, use Debian! |
| 09:29.27 | mhall | Kim^J: ah, hmm |
| 09:29.31 | bruddah | blondie: LOL |
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| 09:29.59 | Kim^J | mhall: Now I just need to grab a C# for dummies book. :D |
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| 09:30.27 | mhall | Kim^J: i'm testin out gmcs on console hello world, one sec |
| 09:30.45 | mhall | Kim^J: gmcs hello.cs works for me |
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| 09:30.56 | mhall | Kim^J: then just run mono hello.exe |
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| 09:31.14 | Kim^J | mhall: Ah ok. Can you tell me howto write a C# hello world program? |
| 09:31.20 | Kim^J | Pastebin the code. |
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| 09:31.32 | mhall | Kim^J: oh ya, no prob |
| 09:31.52 | mhall | Kim^J: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp#Hello_world_example |
| 09:31.57 | Kim^J | Oh |
| 09:32.10 | Kim^J | Thanks |
| 09:32.16 | mhall | Kim^J: some nice things, unlike java, you can have more than one public class in a file |
| 09:32.25 | mhall | Kim^J: and you can name the files whatever the hell you want |
| 09:32.40 | mhall | Kim^J: for certain things this saves headaches, for others it causes confusion |
| 09:32.57 | mhall | Arafangion: that's kind of a catch-22 |
| 09:33.20 | mhall | Arafangion: one upside to Java i guess, is it's got a native compiler now |
| 09:33.32 | mhall | Arafangion: however C# makes it a lot easier to do native interface code |
| 09:33.43 | mhall | Arafangion: no fucking evil javah miserable bullshit |
| 09:33.44 | bruddah | !APT::Force-LoopBreak |
| 09:33.47 | Arafangion | mhall: I like my generics (I realise Java has them now), operator overloading, using clauses, etc. |
| 09:34.00 | bruddah | !force-loopbreak |
| 09:34.00 | dpkg | 'apt-get -o APT::Force-LoopBreak=1 dist-upgrade'. Fix suggested by xk. Then you can remove or purge outdated packages after the upgrade. if you are getting this message about e2fsproogs, ask me about <e2fsprogs loop> |
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| 09:34.10 | mhall | Arafangion: ya, i don't care what people say, overloading operators are a great idiom |
| 09:34.16 | Arafangion | mhall: Ahh, yeah, those [thingies] are nice too :) |
| 09:34.29 | mhall | Arafangion: the other thing, c# seems smarter about functional stuff like thunks |
| 09:34.31 | Kim^J | Hello, world! |
| 09:34.35 | Kim^J | Oh yeah! :D |
| 09:34.40 | Kim^J | mhall: It works. :D |
| 09:34.41 | Arafangion | mhall: Yeah, imho, if Python has them, no reason why Java can't have them! :) |
| 09:34.42 | mhall | Kim^J: haha, job #1 in every language |
| 09:34.57 | mhall | Arafangion: ya, probably somebody's got a JSR in the works |
| 09:35.03 | Kim^J | C# is more like Python. No need to include a lot of files like in C++. |
| 09:35.19 | mhall | Arafangion: i think Java moves a bit slow on purpose so it doesn't paint the enterprise people into a corner |
| 09:35.26 | Arafangion | Kim^J: That's apples to oranges. |
| 09:35.31 | mhall | Arafangion: and that's OK, at work, where i have huge codebase, i don't mind |
| 09:35.43 | mhall | Arafangion: maybe it is for experienced developers |
| 09:35.56 | mhall | Arafangion: but stuff like that really kills rapid app developers and newcomers |
| 09:36.06 | Arafangion | mhall: One thing I think I might like about Java, is that they do tend to try and be less abstract - which is good if hte abstraction leaks. |
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| 09:36.36 | mhall | Arafangion: ya true but C# lets you have unsafe {} and non-GC |
| 09:36.39 | Arafangion | Kim^J: btw, my fav langauges are Python, and C++ |
| 09:36.45 | mhall | Arafangion: plus, mmm, C# has pointers |
| 09:37.06 | Arafangion | mhall: imho, unsafe code might as well be logically separated. |
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| 09:37.37 | mhall | Arafangion: that's kind of a pain if you're trying to do some RAD |
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| 09:38.01 | mhall | Arafangion: that's one thing i love about java in eclipse and delphi especially, very instant feedback |
| 09:38.13 | Arafangion | mhall: Why are you doing RAD with "unsafe" code? |
| 09:38.17 | mhall | Arafangion: i tend to be very XPish on refactoring, editing, changing, etc. so i love this stuff |
| 09:38.23 | Arafangion | mhall: imho, unsafe code is good for optimization and wrappers. |
| 09:38.28 | mhall | Arafangion: well, sometimes you need to kludge stuff a little bit |
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| 09:38.40 | Arafangion | So, put it in the wrapper. |
| 09:38.50 | mhall | Arafangion: i have to work with network protocols |
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| 09:39.15 | Arafangion | And? |
| 09:39.17 | mhall | Arafangion: so when you decode stuff, you have to go out to the garbage dump, muck around a little bit, and get back to work |
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| 09:39.46 | saltia | moshii, are you? |
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| 09:40.24 | Arafangion | mhall: I've done networking stuff, I don't see how it needs pointers. |
| 09:40.58 | mhall | Arafangion: did you ever have to decode sFlow datagrams |
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| 09:41.04 | Arafangion | mhall: No :) |
| 09:41.14 | mhall | Arafangion: or write a complete SNMP library with ASN1 and BER? |
| 09:41.17 | Arafangion | *googles* |
| 09:41.46 | aidehua | Ugh. Why does there have to be a bitchy complaint about dunc-tank in Debian Weekly News... again :( It is disheartening :( |
| 09:41.47 | mhall | Arafangion: implementing BER using Java is real ugly, with C# pointers and unsigned, life is easy |
| 09:41.57 | Arafangion | mhall: I've been planning on writing an SMTP (Alas, I'm just a young programmer!) |
| 09:42.04 | Arafangion | SMTP library, that is. |
| 09:42.09 | mhall | Arafangion: ya, me too, i'm 22 |
| 09:42.17 | Arafangion | Ya oldie! |
| 09:42.18 | Arafangion | :) |
| 09:42.21 | mhall | Arafangion: i just got dumped into an R&D lab straight out of college |
| 09:42.23 | liable | hrm, theres a new DWN? they didnt email me |
| 09:42.27 | mhall | Arafangion: so it's madcrazy |
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| 09:42.34 | Arafangion | Nice, I wish I got that :) |
| 09:42.43 | Arafangion | I'd like to get into R&D. |
| 09:42.58 | mhall | Arafangion: most days i work about 10am-10pm, sometimes 10am-5am |
| 09:43.03 | mhall | Arafangion: it's pretty crazy |
| 09:43.27 | liable | you crazy youngsters |
| 09:43.40 | aidehua | liable: It is here too: http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2006/41/ |
| 09:43.50 | liable | ta |
| 09:43.58 | Arafangion | mhall: I still don't agree that you need pointers :) |
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| 09:45.44 | liable | yikes, sun donated a nice server for the project.. |
| 09:45.45 | Kim^J | Oh noes. |
| 09:46.13 | Kim^J | This book is made for Visual Studio and there are no actual code... Baaahh |
| 09:46.16 | Kim^J | Shitty book. |
| 09:46.24 | mhall | Kim^J: tittybiscuits |
| 09:46.40 | mhall | Kim^J: are you at a university? maybe you have got safari or books24x7 |
| 09:47.13 | Kim^J | At a college. Sweden. |
| 09:47.28 | Kim^J | Maybe I'll take a visit to the library later. |
| 09:47.38 | Arafangion | mhall: Are you doing things such as: struct *frmt = charDataArray; because that's considered to be very bad style. |
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| 09:48.46 | Arafangion | liable: I must say, I prefer the 9-5 jobs - it's a plus if it's R&D, imho :) |
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| 09:50.32 | saltia | how can i set my vmware in order to have a good conexion (virtual ethernet) between my debian and windows xp (gest). Now they have 4kb. Any help? |
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| 09:50.53 | liable | Arafangion: ya, i dunno about working through the night, thats when i am supposed to be drinking beer :) |
| 09:51.31 | Arafangion | Nice, the Niagara systems are actually being made now :) |
| 09:51.38 | Arafangion | liable: Eww! |
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| 09:52.06 | mhall | Arafangion: well, it's sorta weird in an sflow datagram, it's kind of like a mishmash of a bunch of different packet samples from different things on a device |
| 09:52.08 | Arafangion | So bitter. I'm a coffee freak, though. |
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| 09:52.18 | liable | hah |
| 09:52.26 | nevyn | saltia: what networking system are you using? |
| 09:52.37 | mhall | Arafangion: the other place you run into problems is if you need to use some funky APIs like IO completion ports on windows, or inotify on Linux |
| 09:52.54 | mhall | Arafangion: with C# it's a lot easier to make those calls, get your pointers set up right, and go to town |
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| 09:53.04 | mhall | Arafangion: it's also nice, that you can stack allocate arrays |
| 09:53.45 | mhall | Arafangion: it gets complicated, you have up to 128 bytes of packet header, it's configurable for each network interface port |
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| 09:53.59 | pippijn | hi all |
| 09:54.13 | mhall | Arafangion: so you have to make a lot of decisions based on different bytes anded against different stuff, and you really need unsigned arithmetic too, which java has not got |
| 09:54.32 | mhall | Arafangion: if you want to do it in java, you have to use long which is 64 bits and therefore twice as slow |
| 09:54.57 | mhall | Arafangion: meanwhile you have hundreds of thousands of datagrams to burn through, correlate, and deallocate PDQ |
| 09:55.13 | Arafangion | mhall: For this stuff, I'd prefer doing it in C. |
| 09:55.21 | jngu1 | Er. Anyone using iceweasel? |
| 09:55.47 | Arafangion | jngu1: What's it to you if we are? :) |
| 09:55.56 | jngu1 | hm. Nevermind. It appears it has resolved itself. |
| 09:55.59 | jngu1 | :) |
| 09:56.18 | jngu1 | Just some buggy behavior. None of the buttons were working. |
| 09:56.40 | pippijn | ~/.bash_login is not being read on login, any ideas why? |
| 09:56.45 | apt | pippijn: okay |
| 09:56.45 | jngu1 | I do like the way it looks now. |
| 09:56.49 | jngu1 | .bashrc |
| 09:56.53 | jngu1 | erf. |
| 09:57.05 | jngu1 | I thought .bash_login was called by other stuff. |
| 09:57.13 | pippijn | .bashrc is also read on every call of bash |
| 09:57.22 | mhall | Arafangion: ya, but then you have a bunch of higher level stuff, like a GUI |
| 09:57.29 | YoussefAssad | not on this bsd mahine, unfortunately (re. .bashrc) |
| 09:57.29 | pippijn | xterm for instance.. |
| 09:57.40 | jngu1 | or, .bash_profile. |
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| 09:57.42 | pippijn | I want to call ssh-agent automatically on login |
| 09:57.45 | quintin | how to get mod_rewrite ? |
| 09:57.55 | pippijn | jngu1: is .bash_profile not called on xterm? |
| 09:57.58 | jngu1 | I think usually someone has to configure .bash_login to be called. |
| 09:58.02 | jngu1 | er. |
| 09:58.03 | jngu1 | lets see. |
| 09:58.09 | mhall | Arafangion: so really what you do is, get everything you need done with C modules and C# thunks and glue, then you start wrapping it up in clean objects and stuff |
| 09:58.16 | mhall | Arafangion: not an easy job, this project |
| 09:58.40 | jngu1 | maybe not? |
| 09:58.41 | pippijn | looks like it's not |
| 09:58.50 | jngu1 | har. |
| 09:58.58 | pippijn | its not indeed |
| 09:59.18 | Arafangion | mhall: I've wrapped a game I wrote in C++ with python. |
| 09:59.20 | jngu1 | I think some systems have it set up so .bashrc calls .bash_profile |
| 09:59.22 | mhall | pippijn: xterms aren't a login shell |
| 09:59.32 | pippijn | mhall: that's the question exactly |
| 09:59.35 | mhall | Arafangion: ya python is a good choice for RAD stuff |
| 09:59.45 | mhall | pippijn: bashrc is what you need |
| 09:59.48 | pippijn | the question was, does .bash_profile get called by non-login shells |
| 09:59.51 | Arafangion | mhall: A rather simple game, so essentially it wrapped an abstracted DIrectX api. |
| 09:59.54 | pippijn | mhall: I want a login script |
| 10:00.00 | pippijn | so that's .bash_profile |
| 10:00.03 | Arafangion | pippijn: man bash |
| 10:00.08 | chemaja | doesn't the -ls switch for xterm give a login shell? |
| 10:00.13 | pippijn | Arafangion: the question is no more |
| 10:00.31 | pippijn | I do have a question still |
| 10:00.33 | Arafangion | mhall: It's the api's that is more important for RAD, imho. |
| 10:00.37 | mhall | Arafangion: i thought somebody already made a 3D lib for python, but for a simple game, probably easier to wrap it yourself |
| 10:00.46 | pippijn | how would I call ssh-agent to automatically set its environment on the shell? |
| 10:00.51 | Arafangion | mhall: Oh no, DirectX is just _nasty_. |
| 10:00.54 | jngu1 | er? |
| 10:00.54 | pippijn | (in .bash_profile preferably) |
| 10:01.00 | jngu1 | automatically set its enviroment? |
| 10:01.03 | saltia | none can help me with networking vmware? |
| 10:01.07 | pippijn | ssh-agent prints out environment variables |
| 10:01.08 | mhall | Arafangion: ya, i don't really do graphics programming, and barely do any GUI |
| 10:01.11 | jngu1 | you can add a export envname = etc. |
| 10:01.11 | mhall | i'm a CLI fascist |
| 10:01.12 | pippijn | I want these to be set |
| 10:01.14 | chemaja | saltia: try the vmware forums |
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| 10:01.24 | pippijn | jngu1: they are variable |
| 10:01.40 | mhall | pippijn: maybe something like eval $( ssh-agent -foo -bar -baz ) |
| 10:01.45 | pippijn | ah |
| 10:01.50 | pippijn | indeed |
| 10:01.50 | Zvpun | How can I get the version of the udf file system of a dvdram? |
| 10:01.51 | pippijn | eval :) |
| 10:02.05 | Arafangion | mhall: DIrectX somehow "locks" some of your pointers, so you can't access them while the image is in graphics memory, etc. Don't even think about putting a generic GC into it. |
| 10:02.14 | pippijn | thanks |
| 10:02.21 | tralala | liable, got that script working? |
| 10:02.27 | mhall | Arafangion: that's kinda weird |
| 10:02.29 | jngu1 | adios. |
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| 10:03.07 | et | pippijn: http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/keychain/, if you want to use something that exists |
| 10:03.30 | liable | tralala: nah, i was too pissed last night. i saved your output though, and will prolly have a crack at it later. |
| 10:03.36 | mhall | pippijn: http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/l-keyc2/ |
| 10:03.41 | Arafangion | liable: imho, Sun should donate a few of their machines to the people who work on GCC ;) |
| 10:03.42 | mhall | liable: what happened? |
| 10:03.57 | mhall | Arafangion: i think they submit patches themselves |
| 10:04.00 | liable | mhall: to what? |
| 10:04.07 | mhall | Arafangion: gcc works on sparc linux and it works on solaris 7-10 |
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| 10:04.17 | mhall | liable: you got pissed about sth.? |
| 10:04.25 | liable | mhall: drunk :) |
| 10:04.26 | Arafangion | mhall: Apparently gcc is much slower on Sparc, than sun's own compilers. |
| 10:04.41 | Arafangion | liable: That's your problem, not ours :) |
| 10:04.52 | pippijn | mhall: thats nice |
| 10:04.53 | mhall | Arafangion: that's getting better with 4.x |
| 10:04.56 | bruddah | since when is being drunk a problem? |
| 10:05.05 | tralala | liable, the key is to use eval "$CMD" instead of $CMD otherwise bash does nasty things to the parameters |
| 10:05.06 | mhall | Arafangion: gcc did not have an internal structure capable of necessary optimizations |
| 10:05.19 | mhall | Arafangion: you will find, gcc is also a lot slower on x86 than intel c compiler |
| 10:05.24 | pippijn | et: nice |
| 10:05.34 | mhall | Arafangion: it was never made to be fast, but portable instead |
| 10:05.54 | liable | tralala: ah, okie, gimme 5, i am just seeing what gives |
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| 10:05.58 | mhall | Arafangion: it makes real sucky multimedia x86 code compared to intel CC |
| 10:06.01 | pippijn | it even has a debian package : |
| 10:06.02 | pippijn | ) |
| 10:06.07 | i5513 | hi, do you know why aptitude -F 'patern that generate more than 80 characters' search "XX" | mail email@domain ;send me a 80 widghted mail ? |
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| 10:06.38 | i5513 | I tried with COLUMNS variable, but it didn't work ... :( |
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| 10:07.45 | et | pippijn: what i'm doing is letting ssh-agent start my window manager, so that the env vars get passed along |
| 10:08.02 | pippijn | et: I start X with startx |
| 10:08.07 | pippijn | I think that should do it |
| 10:08.12 | pippijn | yes, it does |
| 10:09.01 | liable | tralala: it appears as if it worked. lemme check the file :) |
| 10:09.13 | et | pippijn: swalk@itchy:~$ tail -n1 .xsession |
| 10:09.13 | et | exec ssh-agent pekwm |
| 10:09.15 | tralala | yikes! |
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| 10:09.26 | bruddah | new releases take forever to install :( |
| 10:09.27 | pippijn | et: yes, that would be if I used xdm |
| 10:09.34 | pippijn | brb, testing keychain |
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| 10:10.13 | et | pippijn: should be the same with xinitrc |
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| 10:12.02 | quintin | Anyone here installed gallery? |
| 10:12.17 | tralala | quintin: /msg dpkg popcorn |
| 10:12.18 | pippijn | works :) |
| 10:12.24 | pippijn | et: I use keychain |
| 10:12.31 | tralala | meh |
| 10:12.33 | tralala | popcon |
| 10:12.38 | tralala | quintin: /msg dpkg popcon |
| 10:12.38 | quintin | tralala: ... no why the hell would I do that |
| 10:12.43 | pippijn | hmm |
| 10:12.45 | quintin | tralala: NO |
| 10:12.49 | et | pippijn: keychain got on my nerves after a while. but see for yourself ;) |
| 10:12.54 | pippijn | okay :) |
| 10:12.58 | pippijn | it might get on my nerves as well |
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| 10:13.19 | pippijn | maybe I can just copy it into my home and change the thing to not use colours |
| 10:13.29 | tralala | quintin, it will let you know how many people are using the package in question which sort of answers your question |
| 10:13.35 | pippijn | or maybe I can just use .xinitrc and start ion with ssh-agent |
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| 10:14.35 | pippijn | gentoo loves colours |
| 10:15.18 | streuner_ | !gentoosmite pippijn |
| 10:15.29 | pippijn | =) |
| 10:15.42 | bruddah | LOLOL |
| 10:15.45 | bruddah | i love that bot |
| 10:15.50 | pippijn | that's really cool |
| 10:16.00 | bruddah | whats the command to get bot commands? |
| 10:16.05 | bruddah | its _really_ versitile |
| 10:16.11 | pippijn | I don't think there is such a command |
| 10:16.16 | tralala | bruddah: /msg dpkg help |
| 10:16.22 | bruddah | you just gotta be "in the know" yeah? |
| 10:16.25 | tralala | bruddah: /msg dpkg my factoids |
| 10:16.27 | bruddah | or msg him |
| 10:16.29 | pippijn | ah wow |
| 10:16.30 | pippijn | topics |
| 10:16.45 | liable | tralala: works a treat. thank you muchly. :) where is this eval bit mentioned in the docs? |
| 10:16.49 | pippijn | !wtf wtf |
| 10:16.50 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 10:16.53 | pippijn | hm |
| 10:16.54 | pippijn | binary? |
| 10:17.04 | saltia | chemaja, i found out no help. they just said, it would be debian configuration network. (¿?) |
| 10:17.06 | pippijn | !wtf iirc |
| 10:17.07 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 10:17.10 | pippijn | :| |
| 10:17.13 | tralala | pippijn, don't play with the bot in public |
| 10:17.16 | pippijn | ok |
| 10:17.21 | liable | tralala: though i didnt use the echo bit, just the eval |
| 10:17.24 | Kim^J | mhall: My program is done now. Well... It's functional. |
| 10:17.42 | Kim^J | mhall: Made three programs. One for Ohm, One for Amp and one for Volt. |
| 10:17.42 | tralala | liable, the echo was just for testing, you don't need it in your script |
| 10:17.54 | liable | ah, good :) |
| 10:18.08 | liable | cause i didnt understand wtf it was for :) |
| 10:18.28 | tralala | liable, in the manual, as expected |
| 10:19.02 | pippijn | liable: man bash, line 3154 |
| 10:19.03 | liable | tralala: phooey |
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| 10:19.49 | bruddah | w00h00 |
| 10:19.54 | AndroidData | I have 2 ips: 209.94.62.66 and 209.94.62.67. they're running on the same machine. I need both ips available to me but whenever I try to "activate" the network connection using the KDE "Networking" tool the program freezes up & crashes. Any help? |
| 10:19.57 | bruddah | ive successfully upgraded to etch |
| 10:20.11 | liable | pippijn: hah |
| 10:20.20 | tralala | liable, but it's actually a pretty standard command in the interpreted languages so I didn't actually bother to read the manual - just had it tested and it worked. |
| 10:21.10 | liable | tralala: ya, looking it up now. strangely the #bash folks didnt mention it. |
| 10:21.12 | pippijn | liable: do you know perl? |
| 10:21.18 | bruddah | !authentication |
| 10:21.41 | bruddah | i know perl.... necklace |
| 10:21.46 | Arafangion | liable: echo in the context of bash scripts is probably an external program. |
| 10:22.03 | liable | pippijn: shit no. |
| 10:22.11 | pippijn | ok |
| 10:22.30 | liable | pippijn: i am stretching my brain cells just writing a bash script :P |
| 10:22.43 | pippijn | oh :] |
| 10:22.45 | tralala | liable, having commands with complex parameters in a var is a rather rare tactic so they probably didn't have much of experience with it |
| 10:22.45 | pippijn | okay |
| 10:22.58 | onetinsoldier | bruddah: congrats :) |
| 10:23.25 | liable | tralala: fair 'nough |
| 10:23.40 | AndroidData | how do I use the same network card twice? |
| 10:23.46 | AndroidData | I have eth0 |
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| 10:24.07 | tralala | AndroidData, you can use it as much as needed, even more than twice |
| 10:24.18 | AndroidData | how do I do it |
| 10:24.32 | AndroidData | I tried add / ethernet device on kde networking but it gives me eth1 |
| 10:24.47 | bruddah | !coolest thing about etch |
| 10:24.47 | AndroidData | and refuses to activate. how do I do it on the command-line? |
| 10:25.04 | saltia | is there any way to backup passphrase for an existent id_rsa? |
| 10:25.04 | petemc | AndroidData: google for debian ip alias |
| 10:25.48 | quintin | AndroidData: eth1 is onboard ethernet. eth0 is addin card. |
| 10:25.57 | tralala | saltia, plenty - the easiest probably writing it down on a piece of paper. |
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| 10:27.04 | quintin | saltia: echo $passphrase | sendEmail -t qmriis@gmail.com -f luser@localhost |
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| 10:27.36 | AndroidData | great. now I cut the internet connection. |
| 10:27.39 | AndroidData | now I can't do anything else. gee, thanks guys |
| 10:27.41 | quintin | AndroidData: Don't do that then! |
| 10:27.57 | quintin | AndroidData: profesional phone support available $29.95/hr $-) |
| 10:28.01 | AndroidData | :| |
| 10:28.40 | quintin | AndroidData: accept visa mc, paypal |
| 10:28.48 | pippijn | is there a way to install the i586 java sdk on debian/amd64? |
| 10:29.01 | Lakez | debian machine goes down like a hooker: Parity Errors: http://paste-bin.com/1630 .. anyone have an idea? I've changed the Sata cables |
| 10:29.15 | tralala | pippijn, sure - in a 32bit chroot |
| 10:29.19 | pippijn | ok |
| 10:29.27 | pippijn | nothing else? |
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| 10:29.41 | quintin | Lakez: change the disk? |
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| 10:29.51 | ^rob^ | hello |
| 10:29.59 | Lakez | quintin, i've checked the drive... 0 bad blocks and the drive checks out with smart |
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| 10:30.16 | tralala | Lakez, which kernel? |
| 10:30.19 | quintin | Lakez: 05:29 < quintin> Lakez: change the disk? |
| 10:30.26 | ^rob^ | how do i search in sources ??? - apt-get source packagename get the pkg - but how do i search them? |
| 10:30.34 | Lakez | Linux debian 2.6.16-2-amd64-k8 #1 Fri Aug 18 20:55:43 CEST 2006 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 10:30.41 | mhall | Kim^J: gotta love C# ;-) |
| 10:30.49 | bruddah | !monica sex |
| 10:30.49 | dpkg | hmm... monica sex is an Israeli band - the only one in the world to predict the scandal |
| 10:30.49 | mhall | Kim^J: that was mighty fast work btw |
| 10:30.56 | mhall | Kim^J: did you do GUI too |
| 10:30.57 | tralala | ^rob^: /msg dpkg search |
| 10:31.08 | ^rob^ | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:31.09 | quintin | ^rob^: grep ? you can view file lists on the debian website too. |
| 10:31.50 | bruddah | hahha |
| 10:31.53 | bruddah | dpkg is gay |
| 10:31.59 | bruddah | !homosexuals |
| 10:32.00 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, homosexuals is the lifestyle choice i have made for myself, respect me please luv, Ooooooo Changing rooms is on, brb |
| 10:32.04 | pngwn | bruddah, please /msg the bot |
| 10:32.06 | Lakez | tralala, any idea? |
| 10:32.08 | bruddah | sorry |
| 10:32.14 | bruddah | its so tempting ;) |
| 10:32.23 | tralala | Lakez, no |
| 10:32.39 | bruddah | bots and shiney objects are my downfall |
| 10:32.50 | quintin | your mom is my downfall. |
| 10:32.58 | bruddah | OOHH BURN! |
| 10:33.03 | quintin | DOWNfall. |
| 10:33.04 | quintin | indeed. |
| 10:33.15 | quintin | now go away, or I shall taunt you a second time. |
| 10:33.17 | bruddah | dude... my moms dead |
| 10:33.21 | pngwn | how about you both stfu |
| 10:33.30 | ^rob^ | dpkg source |
| 10:33.30 | dpkg | To work with Debian source packages, cd to a location with free space. as root: 'aptitude install build-essential fakeroot devscripts' and 'apt-get build-dep {packagename}'. as any user: 'apt-get source {packagename}', cd into the directory it creates, edit 'debian/rules' to suit, run 'debuild -us -uc'. |
| 10:33.48 | quintin | pngwn: bite me. |
| 10:33.56 | quintin | you win though cause I'm gonna try to take a nap |
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| 10:35.03 | mhall | pngwn: how about you spell your nick right? |
| 10:35.59 | pngwn | mhall, how about you bite quintin |
| 10:36.11 | oOGneaOo | hrmm |
| 10:36.13 | mhall | pngwn: mmm tasty |
| 10:36.33 | tralala | !trollgong |
| 10:36.49 | tralala | !troll gong |
| 10:36.50 | dpkg | BONNGGGGG!! |
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| 10:38.23 | bruddah | guess what |
| 10:38.28 | bruddah | i just farted |
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| 10:38.33 | bruddah | and then sniffed it |
| 10:38.41 | frex2 | my file manager (Gnome) keeps stalling |
| 10:38.41 | mhall | heh |
| 10:38.48 | frex2 | does anyone know how to fix? |
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| 10:39.26 | tralala | frex2, testing/unstable? |
| 10:39.34 | frex2 | yes |
| 10:40.24 | frex2 | what do I need to do? |
| 10:40.48 | tralala | you need to install stable if you ask me |
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| 10:44.36 | optraz1 | just wanna check, will Intel HP cpu shows as 2 logical cpu under /proc/cpuinfo ? |
| 10:45.16 | petemc | intel HP? |
| 10:45.32 | tralala | yes, assuming that HP = HT |
| 10:45.33 | cydork | optraz1: HT yes |
| 10:46.04 | tralala | and assuming that you run a smp kernel |
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| 10:47.39 | optraz1 | petemc, tralala sorry, HT, hyper trading |
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| 10:47.59 | optraz1 | threading |
| 10:48.01 | optraz1 | :-s |
| 10:48.06 | optraz1 | sorry for the spelling |
| 10:48.06 | tralala | hyper trading, I like that |
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| 10:48.11 | cydork | HT sucks ! |
| 10:48.39 | optraz1 | so guys, how do u differentiate a cpu from HT or dual core from OS point of view? |
| 10:48.57 | blondie | don't think you can |
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| 10:49.47 | frex2 | my file manager keeps stalling, does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 10:49.49 | tralala | the goal of HT is to appear to the OS as multiple cpus |
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| 10:52.10 | optraz1 | mmmm |
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| 10:52.33 | optraz1 | HT basically lie ppl for the "dual core" cpu |
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| 10:55.34 | CptAJ[vzla] | anyone up? |
| 10:56.02 | Ronin | sitting actually CptAJ[vzla] |
| 10:56.28 | CptAJ[vzla] | I meant in the existentialist sense >_> |
| 10:56.44 | amphi | up 67 days, 6:16 |
| 10:57.48 | moshii | optraz1: HT is one core multiple execution units? |
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| 10:58.23 | CptAJ[vzla] | now that I have your attention... care to recommend me a good webserver daemon? I need something criminally efficient as I only have 16 Mb of RAM to work with on the target system (that rules out apache ofcourse) >_> |
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| 10:58.43 | moshii | CptAJ[vzla]: lighttpd or thttpd |
| 10:58.47 | amphi | lighttpd? |
| 10:58.51 | Ronin | CptAJ[vzla]: and go buy more ram |
| 10:59.00 | moshii | CptAJ[vzla]: thttpd is probably your best choice |
| 10:59.14 | CptAJ[vzla] | hah, cant find more ram. 10 year old computer |
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| 10:59.37 | moshii | CptAJ[vzla]: you probabyl want netbsd opposed to debian on that little ram too .. |
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| 11:00.04 | bruddah | Ahh, dating -- that awkward interval between the moment two people realize they might take their clothes off for each other and the moment that they actually do it |
| 11:00.05 | CptAJ[vzla] | I'm addicted to apt >_< |
| 11:00.33 | optraz1 | moshii, i agree with that, in my RHEL box, it show 2 cpus, so i assume HT cpu is 1 core, 2 execution units |
| 11:00.37 | tralala | using apt on 32MB is a pita, I don't want to imagine 16MB... |
| 11:01.14 | CptAJ[vzla] | well it even runs aptitude so its not that bad |
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| 11:02.16 | CptAJ[vzla] | back on the webserver matter though, what do you guys know about gatling? Heard a couple of people recommend it on the same posts as lighttpd |
| 11:02.40 | oOGneaOo | this is fucked - tkined isn't supported in debian anymore and the source that is out there isn't up to date either |
| 11:02.43 | oOGneaOo | checking for tcl version number... 8.4 |
| 11:02.46 | oOGneaOo | configure: error: tcl 7.4 or later needed |
| 11:03.20 | cydork | oOGneaOo: edit the configure script :P |
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| 11:07.37 | optraz1 | mmm, it is interesting see how dual core laptop working ;) |
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| 11:07.46 | optraz1 | the kernel make 2 cpus work |
| 11:07.56 | quintin | optraz1: yea. amazing |
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| 11:08.42 | Knight_Lord | I want to build a new desktop system for scientific computing. Can anyone give me advice on a good CPU? I want good fp performance, and at least 2 cores (preferably 4) |
| 11:08.59 | Knight_Lord | Are Opterons still the best in FP performance? |
| 11:09.16 | oOGneaOo | cydork: oh god, i'm going to have to install an older version of linux just to get this to run... even the outdated libc5 library in debian won't run it |
| 11:09.26 | frex2 | is it possible that my system starts acting strange after an update? |
| 11:09.36 | liable | yes |
| 11:09.37 | oOGneaOo | frex2: that's normal |
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| 11:09.57 | frex2 | aha, suddenly my file manager is stalling and showing strange behavior |
| 11:10.02 | frex2 | do I need to reboot? |
| 11:10.06 | liable | escaping makes me crazy |
| 11:10.12 | oOGneaOo | Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. |
| 11:10.13 | oOGneaOo | 0xb7e1caa4 in _IO_sgetn () from /lib/libc.so.5 |
| 11:10.21 | cydork | oOGneaOo: use something else then .. :P |
| 11:10.28 | frex2 | would really help to understand |
| 11:10.29 | oOGneaOo | frex2: what would rebooting do? |
| 11:10.48 | oOGneaOo | cydork: this is tkined i'm talking about here - there is nothing else :P |
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| 11:10.50 | liable | mebbe restarting your wm or desktop may help |
| 11:11.06 | frex2 | liable: how do I do that? restarting desktop? |
| 11:11.07 | ufk | what's the latest debian branch ? |
| 11:11.10 | oOGneaOo | frex2: if you haven't restarted X, then that might be why |
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| 11:11.16 | frex2 | GNOME |
| 11:11.18 | oOGneaOo | !branch |
| 11:11.18 | dpkg | i heard branch is what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
| 11:11.22 | frex2 | how do I restart Gnome? |
| 11:11.24 | liable | frex2: /etc/init.d/gdm restart |
| 11:11.26 | oOGneaOo | frex2: just logout and login |
| 11:11.32 | liable | or that |
| 11:11.38 | frex2 | aha, thanks, liable |
| 11:11.40 | ufk | what's the difference between unstable and testing? |
| 11:11.49 | liable | stability? :P |
| 11:11.50 | oOGneaOo | ufk: everything. |
| 11:11.51 | cydork | oOGneaOo: you know the other choice then ;) |
| 11:12.04 | ufk | testing is more unstable then unstable ? |
| 11:12.06 | oOGneaOo | cydork: you can kiss my ass! ;) |
| 11:12.13 | oOGneaOo | ufk: sometimes |
| 11:12.19 | ufk | k thanks :) |
| 11:12.21 | cydork | oOGneaOo: ask nicely :P |
| 11:12.25 | liable | ohnos |
| 11:12.33 | oOGneaOo | cydork: now! >;) |
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| 11:13.04 | oOGneaOo | ok |
| 11:13.10 | liable | ufk: testing is usually more stable than unstable. stuff goes to testing after the unstable guinee pigs have tested it |
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| 11:13.22 | ufk | i see thanks |
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| 11:18.39 | tuxub | is anyone using postfix-policyd ? |
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| 11:19.56 | giupy-away | OT: i have an hp kayak xl500/550 originally with 1 xeon 550 512kb cache and 2 VRM,now i have 2 xeon 700 2mb cache and 3 VRM, if i use 1 xeon 700 and 2 VRM all goes well, if i try to use 2 xeon and 3 VRM pc doesn't start, monitor remain off, naturally using "Multiprocessor" support in bios....hp maxifile says me that i have a power cache error but cpu powered correctly....any idea? |
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| 11:20.55 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 11:20.55 | dpkg | <fenix> My discover is problem people!!! Not find ide or scsi automatic <fenix> Help!! Discover Problem!!! PEOPLE!! <asg> fenix: yes discovering people can be a bit disconcerting |
| 11:21.26 | cydork | hehe |
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| 11:22.04 | liable | heh |
| 11:22.09 | sparr | can anyone tell me, at a glance, if the hardware on this motherboard would be linux-friendly? http://www.pcchips.com.tw/PCCWeb/Products/ProductsDetail.aspx?MenuID=16&LanID=2&DetailID=367&DetailName=Specification |
| 11:22.21 | CptAJ[vzla] | pcchips = evil |
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| 11:23.26 | CptAJ[vzla] | but they *are* cheap as hell |
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| 11:24.48 | sparr | CptAJ[vzla]: yeah, found a combo of that board and an athlon xp-mobile 2800+ for $65 |
| 11:25.13 | CptAJ[vzla] | damn... thats just sexy |
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| 11:25.57 | NewbieToNet | hello, I am sure this is the wrong place to ask. Could anyone direct me to the right channel? I want to find out how BGP updates are authenticated |
| 11:26.16 | sparr | CptAJ[vzla]: im afraid ill get it home and find out linux doesnt like the north bridge or something crazy |
| 11:26.51 | CptAJ[vzla] | its not like you'll be out much |
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| 11:27.53 | NewbieToNet | This channel requires that you have registered and identified yourself with the network's nickname registration services what does this mean ? |
| 11:27.54 | CptAJ[vzla] | besides, its not like they're *bad* per se. They just dont offer many high-performance/customizable models |
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| 11:28.19 | Nono_ | hola |
| 11:28.25 | CptAJ[vzla] | saludos |
| 11:28.41 | sparr | im currently running a nf2 motherboard, athlon xp 1800+, geforce 5500+. im looking to approximately double my gaming performance, and increase my raw FLOPS/MIPS by 50%, as cheap as possible. |
| 11:28.46 | Nono_ | Me gustaria saber si hay alguien de El Salvador por aqui? |
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| 11:29.00 | CptAJ[vzla] | then no |
| 11:29.05 | CptAJ[vzla] | they SUCK for overclocking |
| 11:29.26 | liable | Nono_: english in this channel |
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| 11:29.56 | Nono_ | ok |
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| 11:30.07 | sparr | i tend not to overclock |
| 11:30.12 | liable | Nono_: you want a spanish channel? |
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| 11:30.26 | liable | Nono_: try #debian-es |
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| 11:30.30 | sparr | xp 2800 @ 2.2GHz should beat my xp 1800 @ 1.5GHz nicely, no overclocking required |
| 11:30.49 | arunkumaran | hello friends |
| 11:30.54 | Nono_ | thank you Liable |
| 11:31.04 | liable | Nono_: you're welcome |
| 11:31.07 | CptAJ[vzla] | I've always thought its one's duty to get the most out of your system >_> |
| 11:31.12 | arunkumaran | when is the stable release of ETCH expected |
| 11:31.20 | arunkumaran | i heard its dec 4.....? |
| 11:31.32 | sparr | CptAJ[vzla]: i prefer stability and longevity and cheap :) |
| 11:31.42 | liable | arunkumaran: its gone back (shock, horror :) |
| 11:31.44 | CptAJ[vzla] | well, let me put it this way... |
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| 11:31.50 | amphi | liable: heh |
| 11:32.12 | Lin|_|X | hello, I am sure this is the wrong place to ask. Could anyone direct me to the right channel? I want to find out how BGP updates are authenticated |
| 11:32.23 | sparr | CptAJ[vzla]: been using my current system for 3-4 years now, its a trooper. stuff is finally starting to fail though. all of my gpu fans are toast, my psu is misbehaving, cpu fan is almost gone, cpu core is cracked, etc etc |
| 11:32.38 | arunkumaran | liable: i dont get you... |
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| 11:32.51 | liable | !tell arunkumaran about wwer |
| 11:33.11 | CptAJ[vzla] | I have a Duron 1600mhz running on this computer for 4-5 years or so.... it has always been running at 1.85ghz on stock cooling (them duron applebreds were INSANE overclockers, I've gotten this baby up to 2.1ghz on stock cooling... but I felt that was pushing it) |
| 11:33.22 | cydork | arunkumaran: still 147 RC bugs http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 11:33.52 | Lin|_|X | say router A sends an update to B, how does B actually ensure that the path is authentic? |
| 11:33.54 | sparr | heh, i was a big overclocker in the celeron and original duron days |
| 11:33.54 | arunkumaran | liable: oh... |
| 11:34.00 | sparr | gave it up when i passed 1GHz natural |
| 11:34.02 | arunkumaran | cydork: i get it now... |
| 11:34.45 | arunkumaran | the reason im asking is coz i saw something bout dec 4 on digg.com...where Mr.Steve had said it wouldnt be poss to meet the initial deadline of dec 4th// |
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| 11:35.14 | CptAJ[vzla] | I've had to replace the CPU fan 4 times now... but come on, they're dirt cheap |
| 11:36.18 | Nono_ | How much is the installation for a Linux Debian Server with (smb,sftp,QoS,MySql,Apache)? |
| 11:36.37 | sparr | now i have to make my video card choice :) nvidia of course, but im always torn between a N300 and a [N-1]800. do i want more clock, or better shaders, that is the question |
| 11:36.45 | Nono_ | This installation is for a Small Company |
| 11:37.12 | CptAJ[vzla] | back on topic. That board might give you trouble... what with the PCI-E/AGPpro onboard combo |
| 11:38.11 | CptAJ[vzla] | besides why not go S-939? it has a nicer upgrade path |
| 11:38.29 | CptAJ[vzla] | you're getting a new video card so it should be o |
| 11:38.32 | CptAJ[vzla] | *ok |
| 11:39.10 | sparr | 939 was what i was looking at, this combo just caught my eye |
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| 11:43.11 | Nono_ | Socket AM2 is betther then S 939 |
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| 11:44.58 | sparr | Nono_: also a lot more expensive. im looking at ~$100 chips |
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| 11:45.22 | enouf | Nono_: not really |
| 11:46.20 | Nono_ | Why not really? |
| 11:46.25 | CptAJ[vzla] | yeah, why not? |
| 11:46.46 | enouf | AM2 only allows for 1 socket as well // and will remain as such .. Quad cores will use a diff socket as well as multi-socketed AMD mobos |
| 11:47.16 | enouf | Now .. why is it better than s939? |
| 11:47.19 | Nono_ | With AM2 we can use DDR2, Athlon 64 X2 using DDR2 is better |
| 11:47.25 | CptAJ[vzla] | didnt know that... god damn AMD is sucking llately with their socket schemes |
| 11:47.38 | enouf | CptAJ[vzla]: abso-tively |
| 11:47.44 | enouf | Nono_: got me there |
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| 11:48.04 | Nono_ | We can use DDR2 (533Mhz-800Mhz) |
| 11:48.08 | CptAJ[vzla] | I remember what a great job they did with socket A... now it seems like every year means a new socket for AMD |
| 11:48.18 | zimnyx | I want to boot netinstall from USB Pendrive, is it possible? |
| 11:48.24 | enouf | Nono_: also note .. all those AM2 have that pacifica and other nonsense |
| 11:48.47 | Nono_ | thats true |
| 11:48.59 | Nono_ | Virtualization |
| 11:49.17 | enouf | yeah .. and that other one that's not mentioned so often |
| 11:49.37 | Nono_ | We can use virtual OS |
| 11:50.15 | enouf | they keep changing the names too .. to fool consumers .. LeGrande, Vanderpool , TCGA, DRM, DMCA .. yadayadayada |
| 11:50.42 | CptAJ[vzla] | I can imagine the socket parade they'll try to shove down our throats once they start integrating the ATi GPUs to their cores |
| 11:50.47 | enouf | Nono_: ho hypervisor is EVER getting near my systems :-P |
| 11:50.58 | enouf | I will shooot on site :-) |
| 11:51.19 | enouf | CptAJ[vzla]: yeah .. lovely .. wait for the Quadcores as well |
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| 11:52.04 | enouf | I'll run my p166 4-ever :-P |
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| 11:52.41 | enouf | gotta eat .. |
| 11:52.57 | Nono_ | Think in this System: Athlon 64 X2 4400+,1024MB DDR2 (800Mhz) Dual Channel, Seagate 160GB SATAII (3.0Gps) |
| 11:53.28 | dn4 | peterS doesn't like me talking here in here |
| 11:53.38 | dn4 | oh and I can blaze up super joints in Mexico |
| 11:53.39 | dn4 | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,193616,00.html |
| 11:53.46 | CptAJ[vzla] | Nono_: yeah, its a cool rig. But your upgrade path to quad cores (or pretty much anything else they might release next year) is completely cut |
| 11:54.33 | dn4 | CptAJ[vzla] quad cores? 4 cpus in one? |
| 11:54.59 | CptAJ[vzla] | dont get me wrong, I loved AMD too but with this socket bullshit they're going against everything they stood for |
| 11:55.04 | Nono_ | But when is going to be the QuadCore of AMD on sale |
| 11:56.23 | sparr | CptAJ[vzla]: socket bullshit doesnt matter to people upgrading less than once a year. i havent bought a new cpu without a new mobo... ever |
| 11:56.33 | CptAJ[vzla] | Nono_: thats not the point. The problem here is that they're forcing you to buy new motherboards with every upgrade. Look at socket 754 > 939 > AM2 .... fucking ridiculous |
| 11:56.50 | CptAJ[vzla] | sparr: sure, you have a point there |
| 11:57.52 | zimnyx | I'm installing debian from USB using http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/hd-media/. What fs should i use? |
| 11:57.53 | Nono_ | And when is going to be out the new version of HyperTransport |
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| 12:08.26 | CptAJ[vzla] | you guys remember that irish company that claimed they had deviced an enless energy generator using magnets and shit? What ever happen to them? I cant remember the name of the company... |
| 12:08.40 | CptAJ[vzla] | (it was obviously a hoax) |
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| 12:10.43 | liable | zimnyx: if you dont know, use ext3 |
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| 12:22.23 | enouf | CptAJ[vzla]: I vaguely recall some crap about that .. have no idea though .. plus AMD did allow the s939 SC originals to be upgraded to DC (X2) using the same Mobo .. however the nonsense with the D/S DIMMs (4x1GB would only operate at 333Mhz and then only in 2T CMDrate ) was atrocious .. oh, and Intel? .. much much worse |
| 12:24.09 | dn4 | Anyone know of any good summer interships for a CS major ? |
| 12:24.55 | Phated | DD :) |
| 12:25.02 | blondie | a major? in the army? |
| 12:25.37 | enouf | CptAJ[vzla]: it's a shame that 2 socketed Mobos are hard to find for the s939 DC Opterons .. though one wouldn't benefit as much as the 2xx series, when trying to use the HTT bus links .. since the 1xx/939s series have 0/1 physical (even though AMD touts them as 3 logical) .. what a crock |
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| 12:25.54 | enouf | is a General in his own world :-P |
| 12:26.04 | Danielss89 | hi im back:D |
| 12:26.04 | dutche- | Hi, I'm using a NFS (via tcp) folder of one of my servers in my machine, and I must copy a file there but when I copy it, the system changes the "created time" to the current date and I want to keep the original date |
| 12:26.25 | dn4 | blondie computer science major in college |
| 12:26.34 | blondie | what's a "major"? |
| 12:26.38 | Danielss89 | can someone help get sftp to work on my server? i upgraded to testing, but now sftp doesnt work... it worked before.. what could be wrong? |
| 12:26.49 | sussudio | Danielss89: bunnies |
| 12:26.51 | blondie | !doesn't work |
| 12:26.51 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 12:27.27 | dn4 | blondie a major is a statement descriptive of applying one's time and resources towards learning |
| 12:27.28 | Phated | .o/ sussudio |
| 12:27.46 | Phated | dn4: OK, what, do compsci majors not have senses of humour anymore? |
| 12:27.55 | blondie | dn4: eh? |
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| 12:28.04 | blondie | I did compsci, but not sure what a "major" is |
| 12:28.05 | Phated | blondie: I think your joke backfired ;) |
| 12:28.16 | Phated | blondie: Your concentration. |
| 12:28.20 | blondie | ... |
| 12:28.24 | blondie | as opposed to what? |
| 12:28.25 | Danielss89 | lol ok |
| 12:28.54 | blondie | I guess it's an american thing c.c |
| 12:29.02 | dn4 | :/ |
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| 12:29.08 | Phated | blondie: Because US people call them majors. They do things like "degree in science with a major in CS" |
| 12:29.10 | enouf | blondie: it's like an Ameteur Dry Cleaner as opppeded to a Professional Dry Cleaner .. hehe |
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| 12:29.19 | Danielss89 | can someone help get sftp to work on my server? i upgraded to testing, but now sftp doesnt work... it worked before.. when i try to connect from filezilla, i get this error: Fatal: unable to initialise SFTP: could not connect |
| 12:29.28 | blondie | I see |
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| 12:29.32 | Phated | blondie: Whereas other parts of the world say things like "degree in compsci" :) |
| 12:29.33 | blondie | we just have "degree in CS" |
| 12:29.49 | dn4 | hmm interesting technical talk here |
| 12:29.52 | Phated | blondie: Yeh. They have BSc with major, BA with major, etc. |
| 12:30.08 | dn4 | BSc? |
| 12:30.12 | blondie | so can you do a minor in CS? |
| 12:30.13 | dn4 | what does the c stand for? |
| 12:30.16 | Phated | Bachelor of Science? |
| 12:30.20 | dn4 | blondie correct |
| 12:30.22 | blondie | the second letter of science |
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| 12:30.29 | dn4 | ohhh Sc = Science |
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| 12:30.36 | blondie | I have Computer Science BSc (Hons) |
| 12:30.36 | dn4 | I always read it as BS or BA |
| 12:30.47 | Phated | Yeah, hence "A BSc is BS" |
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| 12:31.25 | Phated | How is a BSc -honours-? A BSc is gained by everyone who graduates from undergrad studies in a Science faculty, isn't it? |
| 12:31.33 | dn4 | I wasted to many years not going to class only because I had a better time playing around on my computer at home which caused me to get F's LOL |
| 12:32.05 | Phated | While a BSc with Honours is a good BSc. But that's neither here nor there. In any case, dn4, go write to some companies, no one on IRC will hire a random person asking. |
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| 12:32.55 | blondie | no, you can get a BSc without honours |
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| 12:33.02 | Phated | Exactly. |
| 12:33.02 | blondie | Honours is better |
| 12:33.07 | Phated | Always :) |
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| 12:33.30 | dn4 | well I'm not asking to get hired, i'm asking for recommendations from the debian perspective on interships |
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| 12:34.07 | Phated | The perspective on this end is "go write to some companies", and no one else seems to be offering theirs ;) |
| 12:34.16 | dn4 | hehe fair enough |
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| 12:35.18 | Danielss89 | doesnt anybody kbow? |
| 12:36.16 | blondie | Danielss89: have you tried it using the cli? |
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| 12:37.19 | Danielss89 | the cli blondie?? |
| 12:39.05 | enouf | Danielss89: define:CLI into a google search |
| 12:39.20 | Danielss89 | ahh |
| 12:39.32 | Danielss89 | well, im connected via ssh right now if thats what you mean? |
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| 12:40.50 | blondie | command line sftp client |
| 12:41.00 | Danielss89 | no i havent tried that.. |
| 12:43.04 | Lakez | what in fuck is with parity errors on 1 drive. It's a brand new drive. fuck me with a broom. I've changed the cables, badblock'd/smartctl'd ... all is good, but rare parity fucking errors. I wonder if a kernel.org kernel would fix it |
| 12:43.31 | Danielss89 | ill try with winsshd |
| 12:43.55 | Phated | Surely the 'd' implies it isn't a client? |
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| 12:44.22 | Danielss89 | :S |
| 12:44.33 | Danielss89 | okey im newbie, which program do you recommend?? |
| 12:44.34 | KomiaPoika | is there a good and recent howto for exim on debian (host server and relay)? |
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| 12:45.15 | Phated | <shrug> doesn't putty have an sftp client? |
| 12:45.33 | Danielss89 | dont think so |
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| 12:46.38 | tralala | Danielss89, it has, see its homepage |
| 12:46.44 | Phated | Oh really. You may want to check that. |
| 12:47.40 | blondie | Danielss89: sftp from the linux box the server is running on, to localhost. |
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| 12:48.24 | dutche- | Hi, if I copy a file with SFTP or NFS or something else, it changes the "created time" in copied file? |
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| 12:48.51 | blondie | dutche-: with NFS, use cp -a *but* there is/was a kernel bug that stopped it from working correctly |
| 12:48.54 | enouf | KomiaPoika: see http://clivemenzies.co.uk/help/index.php?option=com_content&task=category§ionid=8&id=34&Itemid=59 and perhaps the mucho docs you should already have installed on your HDD |
| 12:49.28 | Danielss89 | so im supposed to download putty ssftp from the ssh and run it from there or what excactly? |
| 12:51.11 | dutche- | blondie, and if my NFS dir is mounted and shared with SAMBA?? How can my network users can do the copy and keep the "created time" unchanged? |
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| 12:51.32 | Ronin | Danielss89: read the docs on the putty site? |
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| 12:52.23 | Danielss89 | well it looks like i can connect from the server to localhost but i have the wrong password.. where can i set the password? |
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| 12:53.16 | |DuReX| | hi guys, i have a serious problem :( i bought a new harddisk and added it to my LVM, but now hdd was death after 1 day :( debian still see's the hdd, but it looks weird: hdj: 9223512776500084864 sectors (72058698398 MB) w/16384KiB Cache, CHS=65535/255/63 |
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| 12:53.24 | |DuReX| | any id how i could get data back ? |
| 12:53.33 | blondie | Danielss89: it uses your normal login password. |
| 12:53.45 | blondie | Danielss89: it logs in the same way as ssh does |
| 12:53.46 | Danielss89 | yeah but that doesnt work:S |
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| 12:54.05 | Phated | ... do we need to !doesn't work -again-? |
| 12:54.05 | blondie | look in /var/log/auth.log and there should be an error |
| 12:54.25 | itchi | |DuReX|: What tell you that the hdd is death? |
| 12:54.35 | Danielss89 | blondie http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2470 |
| 12:54.59 | |DuReX| | hdj: 9223512776500084864 sectors (72058698398 MB) w/16384KiB Cache, CHS=65535/255/63 <- doesn't look normal |
| 12:55.04 | itchi | |DuReX|: When you have put that hdd, wash the chs good? |
| 12:55.07 | blondie | Danielss89: what username do you want to use? |
| 12:55.08 | |DuReX| | and hdj: lost interrupt |
| 12:55.16 | |DuReX| | yes |
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| 12:55.20 | |DuReX| | i was able to add it to lvm |
| 12:55.23 | |DuReX| | correct size etc |
| 12:55.26 | |DuReX| | working perfectly |
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| 12:55.34 | |DuReX| | gave error after (not even) a day |
| 12:55.57 | itchi | |DuReX|: Maybe the hdd defect. With another one, have you the same trouble?. |
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| 12:56.09 | |DuReX| | no |
| 12:56.25 | Danielss89 | blondie i want to use danielss89 |
| 12:56.29 | itchi | |DuReX|: Bwa, relace the stuff then |
| 12:56.31 | blondie | well you're using root |
| 12:56.40 | blondie | sftp danielss89@localhost |
| 12:57.15 | |DuReX| | itchi: hdd is in a LVM, don't want to lose all data on my lvm :( want to be able to get data back :( |
| 12:57.29 | Danielss89 | blondie http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2471 |
| 12:57.43 | itchi | |DuReX|: Yup, that's sure, i dunno about LVM :-/ |
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| 12:58.52 | Danielss89 | blondie in the log ive got the following error: |
| 12:58.59 | Danielss89 | subsystem request for sftp |
| 12:59.09 | Danielss89 | (pam_unix) session closed for user danielss89 |
| 12:59.39 | |DuReX| | itchi: no way to force linux to copy hdd or smth ? |
| 12:59.43 | |DuReX| | i have another hdd |
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| 12:59.44 | |DuReX| | new one |
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| 12:59.48 | |DuReX| | to copy data on |
| 12:59.51 | |DuReX| | same type |
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| 13:00.24 | grummund | hi, can anyone tell me pls why banner page is printed for jobs submitted by Windows clients but not for |
| 13:00.27 | grummund | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.49 | Shadowcat | grummund: err w're not a coding channel |
| 13:01.18 | itchi_ | Maybe i have miss some lines. heh, first time that my irssi is locked |
| 13:01.26 | grummund | Shadowcat: eh? it's not a coding question |
| 13:01.33 | Shadowcat | sounds like one |
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| 13:01.46 | Shadowcat | plus |
| 13:01.48 | itchi | heh |
| 13:01.50 | Shadowcat | I can't get to that pastebin link |
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| 13:01.57 | blondie | pastebin.com fails |
| 13:01.57 | itchi | Un freezed |
| 13:02.07 | blondie | doesn't sound like a coding query though, sounds like a cups one or something :P |
| 13:02.15 | itchi | Strange, first time i get my irssi freezed |
| 13:02.25 | Shadowcat | itchi it just doesn't like you |
| 13:02.33 | amphi | itchi: irssi froze? never seen that... |
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| 13:02.48 | grummund | yes, cups or samba... i don't know which is the culprit.... but definitely it's debian ;) |
| 13:03.36 | Shadowcat | !blame amphi |
| 13:03.36 | Shadowcat | there we go |
| 13:03.36 | Shadowcat | ¨ |
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| 13:03.36 | itchi | amphi: Yup me too, first time i have got it, i do an ssh to another box from the laptop. Everything worked right, new ssh to that box, ok. Just that irssi have frozen for 4 minutes. Weired |
| 13:03.37 | amphi | Shadowcat: ;) |
| 13:03.46 | itchi | Shadowcat: Heh, who like me?? |
| 13:03.51 | Danielss89 | blondie - http://slotshaven.com/error.JPG |
| 13:03.59 | Shadowcat | itchi: good point, everyone hates you |
| 13:04.03 | amphi | !love itchi |
| 13:04.11 | Shadowcat | sicko! |
| 13:04.32 | blondie | Danielss89: ew you're using mirc |
| 13:04.39 | Danielss89 | hehe |
| 13:04.40 | Shadowcat | lynch time |
| 13:04.47 | Shadowcat | we got a windows user in our mist! |
| 13:04.48 | itchi | heh |
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| 13:05.11 | Danielss89 | uhoh |
| 13:05.19 | itchi | dpkg: You have forget that i have not many hair, buahahaha |
| 13:05.23 | Wikipedia-Gast | why |
| 13:05.32 | amphi | itchi: if irssi unfroze again, perhaps it was your ssh connection rather than irssi |
| 13:05.54 | Wikipedia-Gast | why |
| 13:06.02 | Danielss89 | well blondie can you get anything out of the error log? |
| 13:06.09 | Ronin | why what Wikipedia-Gast ? |
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| 13:06.13 | itchi | amphi: The strange is that another ssh connection did it prefectly. Strange, i have never got that frozen for some time |
| 13:06.29 | Ronin | heh |
| 13:06.38 | itchi | amphi: 4 mins it's not the end of the world :-) |
| 13:06.52 | Shadowcat | sigh |
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| 13:07.10 | Shadowcat | the person who invented automated telephone answering systems should be shot |
| 13:07.18 | Shadowcat | I've been playing telephone bingo for the past hour now |
| 13:07.20 | amphi | itchi: the only time I've seen such is over ssh on a marginal wireless connection |
| 13:07.27 | Danielss89 | yeah with an axr Shachar |
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| 13:07.35 | Danielss89 | axe* |
| 13:07.35 | itchi | amphi: Heh, im wired, maybe that :-) |
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| 13:07.50 | Shadowcat | itchi: we capped you to 5k |
| 13:08.15 | itchi | Shadowcat: I not understand |
| 13:08.22 | grummund | who knows a pastebin that works? |
| 13:08.28 | rsk | pastebin.ca |
| 13:08.31 | KomiaPoika | enouf: thx |
| 13:08.40 | itchi | grummund: See /msg dpkg paste or pastebin |
| 13:08.43 | grummund | pastbin.ca not working here ;( |
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| 13:09.02 | itchi | grummund: Idem here |
| 13:09.04 | faber3 | hi everybody |
| 13:09.23 | faber3 | whats the best way to split a tar.gz into parts, so i can burn it on dvd's ? |
| 13:09.32 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 13:09.34 | jivco | Hi, how to reload quagga configuration - by /etc/init.q/quagga restart ot there is a better way? |
| 13:09.40 | Shadowcat | why would you want to split the tarball? |
| 13:09.46 | Shadowcat | untar and burn the contents directly |
| 13:09.48 | itchi | faber3: split |
| 13:09.51 | blondie | Danielss89: er can you login using ssh? |
| 13:09.57 | blondie | looks like sftp might be broken |
| 13:10.08 | Danielss89 | yes i can login using ssh... |
| 13:10.23 | Danielss89 | can i rapair it then:D |
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| 13:10.36 | CCZ | anyone know if Intel Corporation 82371SB PIIX3 IDE [Natoma/Triton II] can handle 30GB drives? |
| 13:10.46 | itchi | amphi: That's the beta article of my lapi http://dvm.zapto.org:3334/~david/guicms/html/articles/one.php?number=118 |
| 13:10.55 | Shadowcat | CCZ: consult some Intel manual? |
| 13:11.20 | Shadowcat | or better yet, plug a 30gb drive into it and see what pops up |
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| 13:12.00 | itchi | amphi: I have submit it to linux on laptop, but still not there too, i have read that it take some time before it's added on the linux on laptop database |
| 13:12.27 | YopyopYop | hello, here is error i get with postfix+saslauthd http://channels.debian.net/paste/4638 if any idea or suggestion, pm me please, im leaving students waiting for me |
| 13:12.52 | Danielss89 | blondie can i fix it or am i fucked:D |
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| 13:14.03 | CCZ | what does this mean hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x20 hda: DMA timeout retry hda: timeout waiting for DMA hda: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest } ide: failed opcode was: unknown hda: drive not ready for command |
| 13:14.28 | tarzeau | CCZ: buy a new harddisk |
| 13:15.11 | streuner | CCZ: or ignore it if you using VIA chipsets :-) |
| 13:15.15 | Shadowcat | lol |
| 13:15.17 | Shadowcat | 30gb drive |
| 13:15.22 | Shadowcat | might even be a deathstar |
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| 13:16.24 | CCZ | cant it be the PIIX3 controller which dosent support 30GB drives well? |
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| 13:16.35 | amphi | itchi: there's also tuxmobil.org... |
| 13:16.55 | Shadowcat | CCZ: there's a reason I told you to RTFM on this one |
| 13:17.00 | Shadowcat | we don't have these figures in our heads |
| 13:17.07 | itchi | amphi: hhmm, gona check it out, my article need to be are super reviewed, with all my typs's i guess |
| 13:18.07 | grummund | itchi: thanks |
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| 13:18.35 | Shadowcat | damnit we have an imposter in here |
| 13:18.41 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 13:18.53 | DoppleGanger | he he |
| 13:19.06 | Wikipedia-Gast | why |
| 13:19.10 | oOGneaOo | ever notice how the default squid configuration in debian sucks ass? |
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| 13:19.14 | DoppleGanger | thts ok i get that reaction a lot |
| 13:19.24 | Wikipedia-Gast | why |
| 13:19.29 | oOGneaOo | what |
| 13:19.39 | Shadowcat | I think Wikipedia-Gast is a bot programmed to say why at random intervals |
| 13:19.47 | blondie | !ops Wikipedia-Gast needs banning |
| 13:19.47 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: Wikipedia-Gast needs banning |
| 13:19.52 | Wikipedia-Gast | why |
| 13:19.52 | Ronin | Shadowcat: most likely |
| 13:19.58 | oOGneaOo | Wikipedia-Gast: your mom |
| 13:19.58 | Wikipedia-Gast | Ronin sucks |
| 13:20.05 | blondie | it's not a bot, just a retard |
| 13:20.17 | DoppleGanger | blondie: whats the difference |
| 13:20.19 | Wikipedia-Gast | blondie sucks |
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| 13:20.25 | blondie | bots are software? |
| 13:20.31 | Ronin | in any case a good +b would help the matter |
| 13:20.32 | oOGneaOo | Wikipedia-Gast: she was delicious |
| 13:21.16 | Shadowcat | you know one of these days we might just get an interesting troll in here |
| 13:21.18 | itchi | amphi: It's added |
| 13:21.33 | Wikipedia-Gast | why |
| 13:21.36 | Ronin | Shadowcat: id settle for a semi-intellegent one |
| 13:21.36 | oOGneaOo | Shadowcat: on sunday, perhaps |
| 13:21.39 | Roey | OH YEAH! |
| 13:21.40 | cydork | Shadowcat: let me know when that happens :P |
| 13:21.53 | blondie | woot. |
| 13:21.53 | oOGneaOo | nice. |
| 13:21.59 | Shadowcat | Ronin: that's like saying Microsoft users are intelligent |
| 13:22.06 | Shadowcat | not gonna happen |
| 13:22.09 | Roey | blondie: :) |
| 13:22.09 | RichiH | yah, i had him under surveilance for some time |
| 13:22.13 | RichiH | he refused to stop |
| 13:22.23 | blondie | he's being doing his "why" thing for months |
| 13:22.26 | Roey | hey RichiH |
| 13:22.30 | blondie | on various channels |
| 13:22.34 | blondie | and various networks :) |
| 13:22.34 | oOGneaOo | blondie: why? ;) |
| 13:22.42 | blondie | mental illness? :) |
| 13:22.43 | RichiH | oi |
| 13:22.47 | oOGneaOo | !beer RichiH |
| 13:22.48 | Roey | Shadowcat, amphi ;) |
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| 13:23.02 | cydork | RichiH: that is for after you ban him :P |
| 13:23.15 | cydork | ohh |
| 13:23.22 | blondie | cydork: wake up ;) |
| 13:23.24 | cydork | smack me :) |
| 13:23.31 | amphi | itchi: BTW, you shouldn't need to modprobe ieee80211 stuff manually; if the ipw3945 driver is installed properly, modprobe ipw3945 should automatically load those modules |
| 13:23.37 | grummund | ok... any pointers please as to why banner page is printed for jobs submitted by Windows clients but not for jobs generated on the localhost? -- http://channels.debian.net/paste/4639 |
| 13:23.40 | oOGneaOo | RichiH: oh hey, 60 days == 8 weeks, right? |
| 13:23.48 | enouf | CCZ: I don't see anything that would indicate a problem .. |
| 13:23.57 | itchi | amphi: Yes, i did that |
| 13:24.04 | Phated | oOGneaOo: Closer to 9, really. |
| 13:24.25 | oOGneaOo | Phated: how can i determine a precise amount? |
| 13:24.32 | oOGneaOo | other than 60/7 |
| 13:25.04 | CCZ | enouf, ? |
| 13:25.06 | enouf | CCZ does your BIOS have LBA Support? if so enable it .. do you have more than 64MB of RAM installed? |
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| 13:25.23 | CCZ | enouf, lba is on , only 64MB of ram |
| 13:25.33 | CCZ | where do i find info about these hex values |
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| 13:25.47 | enouf | CCZ: funky jumpers? .. that block access to over 8.4GB? |
| 13:26.03 | RichiH | oOGneaOo: 8 weeks and 4 days, yes |
| 13:26.04 | enouf | CCZ: what kind of Drive is it? |
| 13:26.29 | oOGneaOo | RichiH: you gotta be shittin' me.... lol |
| 13:26.49 | oOGneaOo | ok, sounds good |
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| 13:26.59 | RichiH | oOGneaOo: 56 = 7*8. 60-56=? |
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| 13:27.25 | enouf | you're not going to believe this .. but by you asking this question made me recall the answer to someone elses issue (related to max RAM) |
| 13:27.25 | oOGneaOo | RichiH: sorry, i forgot that bc is retarded |
| 13:27.37 | Renfield | Hello. |
| 13:28.07 | RichiH | oOGneaOo: int != float ;) |
| 13:28.32 | oOGneaOo | heh |
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| 13:28.43 | KomiaPoika | what is smarthost? in exim configuration? |
| 13:28.58 | oOGneaOo | a host that handles mail delivery |
| 13:28.58 | Renfield | I'm haveing a problem installing Debian on an IBM (Lenovo) T60. Debian 3.1 netinst CD does not see the hard drive. |
| 13:29.14 | oOGneaOo | Renfield: at boot: linux26 |
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| 13:29.21 | Renfield | Ok, thanks. |
| 13:29.21 | KomiaPoika | oOGneaOo: like, another machine? |
| 13:29.30 | oOGneaOo | KomiaPoika: yes. |
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| 13:30.51 | enouf | CCZ: those errors are pretty self-explanatory .. no need going around searching for ide/ata/mmc specification command set codes .. you have a dma expiry timeout . something is set up wrong or the drive is dead .. or the BIOS is outdated and weak visit pcguide.com and search for 8.4GB boundary limitation |
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| 13:32.03 | CCZ | eno, Maxtor 6E030L0 (30 GB) |
| 13:32.36 | CCZ | but i thought the OS bypasses the 8GB bios limitation |
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| 13:36.57 | CCZ | it says my mobo must support Int13h extensions |
| 13:37.02 | CCZ | the bios or ide controller , |
| 13:37.15 | CCZ | i mean hardisk controller |
| 13:37.26 | enouf | CCZ: right .. does your OS do that? |
| 13:37.41 | CCZ | hardisk controller is the controller on the hardisk itself or they mean the ATA controller on the mobo? |
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| 13:39.38 | streuner | Renfield: SATA? |
| 13:40.01 | GillaGal | bind9/2.6 kernel.....acting as a recursive/authoritative server. Queries for hosts in the authoritative zones are instant, queries for hosts, such as google.com, are slow on the initial query. Subsequent queries for the host looked up are fast, as well as other hosts in the domain. but they still aren't nearly as fast as a bind8/2.4 kernel... any ideas? |
| 13:40.09 | enouf | the busmaster PIIX3 ATA controlller is part of the SB Chip .. the 82371SB .. so .. again .. Q. does your windows NT 3.5 support larger than 8.4GB .. A. No! |
| 13:41.22 | enouf | gotta go folks ... |
| 13:41.33 | CCZ | windows ? |
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| 13:43.46 | Renfield | streuner: I guess so. Works with linux26. |
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| 13:44.13 | streuner | Renfield: hm, you are one of the lucky users :-) |
| 13:44.18 | streuner | then* |
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| 13:45.47 | E-bola | Hi all |
| 13:46.13 | E-bola | how do i seperate the list of relay domains in exim in update-exim4.conf.conf |
| 13:46.24 | E-bola | domain1:domain2 or domain1 domain2 ??? |
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| 13:46.40 | Renfield | Wait, I spoke too soon. Even with linux26 at boot it still doesn't see my hard drive. |
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| 13:47.17 | petemc | E-bola: exim uses colon seperated lists, so it stands to reason that would work |
| 13:47.32 | Renfield | Is there a module I can load? |
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| 13:47.34 | tralala | Renfield, try an unofficial installer. |
| 13:47.44 | tralala | Renfield: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
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| 13:49.07 | E-bola | petemc: thanks |
| 13:49.18 | itchi | The Mobile 945GM/GMS/940GML Express Integrated Graphics Controller How many can this card use of shared memory? The specs of the laptop tell 128 MB, but some articles tell 256 MB and lshw-gtk too |
| 13:49.20 | Renfield | tralala: This appears to want Debian installed already. I haven't gotten that far. |
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| 13:50.11 | E-bola | Im running exim4 with mailscanner as a gateway |
| 13:50.20 | E-bola | i just pointed my mx records to the box for testing |
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| 13:50.26 | tralala | Renfield, read it again until the end and follow the suggested links |
| 13:50.26 | dusty_ | Hey guys, I have a really strange problem. Every other day the boxs drops into read-only mode (i'm using ext3) and here is a dmesg output: http://rafb.net/paste/results/kTtHvS57.html does anyone know why it is doing this? could it be a disk failing? or hopefully some simple fix? |
| 13:50.34 | E-bola | and somehow exim knew where to forward the mail to after scanning, how can that be? |
| 13:51.07 | itchi | And if i changes the 'VideoRam 128000' in the xorg to an lower value. Should i have more free memory? Looking with free and see no diff when i change the values |
| 13:51.38 | petemc | E-bola: exim -bt user@domain will tell you what router/transport it uses |
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| 13:51.50 | tralala | dusty--, testing/unstaable? |
| 13:52.01 | dusty-- | stable |
| 13:52.08 | E-bola | petemc: well the log says it uses R=dnslookup_relay_to_domains T=remote_smtp |
| 13:52.09 | Renfield | tralala Ah, thanks. I followed the first link and got confused. |
| 13:52.16 | E-bola | my question is what does it mean? |
| 13:52.21 | E-bola | is that an mx record lookup or? |
| 13:52.37 | petemc | E-bola: it means it used that router to decide where to send the mail |
| 13:53.00 | petemc | E-bola: exim -d -bt user@domain will show you everything it does |
| 13:53.00 | tralala | dusty--, with a kernel from fedora core? |
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| 13:53.52 | dusty-- | tralala, 2.6.17-1 |
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| 14:07.00 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 14:07.01 | dpkg | <Zap-W> what is DD <greycat> ~DD <dpkg> it has been said that dd is a Debian Developer <Zap-W> KK <Zap-W> why the abriviation <lazarus> Zap-W: why any abbreviation? to shorten! <Zap-W> lazarus: it alienates ppl <greycat> Zap-W: you can't complain about abbreviations AND THEN USE THEM in the same sentence. <Zap-W> suck bananas <asg> ~fruitsmite Zap-W * dpkg smites Zap-W with a dozen pineapples |
| 14:07.12 | raf256 | wtf? |
| 14:07.41 | raf256 | hah |
| 14:08.46 | aidehua | What does it mean if a piece of software is "GNU something" rather than just "something"? |
| 14:10.59 | tralala | it means that it's probably owned by the GNU project |
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| 14:12.29 | confrey | hi everybody |
| 14:12.51 | confrey | how can I change the user's primary group? |
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| 14:13.33 | pipeline | usermod -g |
| 14:13.39 | ruied | I've installed bash3, how can I associate bash3 to the user/root accounts? |
| 14:13.46 | pipeline | chsh |
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| 14:14.21 | ruied | thanks |
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| 14:15.27 | sgeigerbot | I just came up with this bash function for moving all my graphics files in PWD simultaneously to a directory that I specify. Can someone suggest improvements? for t in `jpg gif tif png`; do echo $t; done |
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| 14:15.43 | sgeigerbot | Whooops. Here's the function: function mv-graphics(){ for t in jpg JPG gif GIF tif TIF png PNG; do mv ./*.$t $1 >/dev/null 2>&1; done } |
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| 14:17.01 | tralala | sgeigerbot, #bash |
| 14:17.03 | confrey | pipeline, thanks |
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| 14:20.45 | _plouf__ | hi all |
| 14:20.53 | rgsteele | aidehua: www.gnu.org |
| 14:21.05 | Xteven | hi |
| 14:21.31 | _plouf__ | I have a problem with a mysql server on sarge |
| 14:21.33 | Xteven | is there something like vimdiff, but for rcsdiff ? i.e., let rcsdiff execute vimdiff instead of diff ? |
| 14:21.50 | abrotman | diff? |
| 14:21.50 | _plouf__ | the mysql serveur use only one processor |
| 14:22.31 | Xteven | abrotman : vimdiff >> diff for interactive viewing :) |
| 14:22.32 | rgsteele | _plouf__: Gather your thought, and then spit it out :) Those two sentences alone provide us no clue as to your problem and/or desired solution. |
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| 14:23.31 | _plouf__ | rgsteele, I would like mysql to use the two cores available |
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| 14:24.36 | rgsteele | _plouf__: How do you know it's only using the cycles on one of the cores? |
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| 14:25.46 | _plouf__ | with top displaying each core I can see 50% usage on each |
| 14:26.16 | rgsteele | Yeah, I'm not sure but the problem has been reported on the mysql forums: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?24,124824,124824 |
| 14:26.19 | Phated | Eh, doesn't that mean it's using half of each core? |
| 14:26.19 | _plouf__ | end ~ 50% idle on each core |
| 14:27.19 | _plouf__ | Phated, This look like this... |
| 14:27.33 | rgsteele | _plouf__: You might try tweaking some of the mysql configs, but that'd be a question for #mysql |
| 14:27.48 | rgsteele | I suspect the problem has nothing to do with Debian itself |
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| 14:28.28 | _plouf__ | rgsteele, you are right about the report it's look like the one I have |
| 14:28.59 | rgsteele | _plouf__: So, try tweaking some of the .ini settings, and ask for advice in #mysql on exactly what you ought to be tweaking. |
| 14:30.09 | abrotman | bah .. interactive .. |
| 14:30.20 | _plouf__ | for now I have modified the afinity without success, I going to ask on #mysql |
| 14:30.25 | _plouf__ | thanks a lot |
| 14:30.31 | aidehua | Richard Stallman decides if a piece of software becomes "GNU thingy", and to be "GNU thingy" means to have support in the form of services like FTP and revision control. |
| 14:30.45 | cydork | _plouf__: i still dont get what is wrong with 50% cpu usage? |
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| 14:33.05 | _plouf__ | cydork, it's database for a web server |
| 14:33.12 | cydork | _plouf__: and? |
| 14:33.19 | _plouf__ | and with many concurent connection |
| 14:34.05 | _plouf__ | so if I can use 2 core I can serve page quickly |
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| 14:35.00 | _plouf__ | The application is oscommerce |
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| 14:35.33 | _plouf__ | and it's really stress the mysql server |
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| 14:37.51 | abrotman | again?! |
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| 14:38.12 | itchi | _plouf__: How do you do to see the both cores in top? |
| 14:38.20 | abrotman | atop is nice :) |
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| 14:38.41 | itchi | abrotman: Looks stuff to install, doing it :-) |
| 14:38.42 | cydork | _plouf__: i am saying it should be using 2 cores. |
| 14:39.15 | cydork | abrotman: yep atop is great :) |
| 14:39.27 | _plouf__ | cydork, ok |
| 14:40.06 | itchi | abrotman: Yeah, that's looks usefull |
| 14:40.21 | _plouf__ | itchi, in top hit "1" to see each cpu usage |
| 14:40.54 | itchi | _plouf__: Ohyeah :-) i have miss that in the man page it's looks |
| 14:41.32 | _plouf__ | :) |
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| 14:43.00 | E-bola | I have a problem with debians way of doing apache2 configs |
| 14:43.12 | E-bola | my apache doesnt use index.php even if its specified |
| 14:43.17 | _plouf__ | yes atop is nice |
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| 14:43.32 | E-bola | i have DirectoryIndex index.html index.cgi index.pl index.php index.xhtml in /etc/apache2/mods-available/dir.conf |
| 14:43.36 | E-bola | yet it gives me a dirlist |
| 14:43.38 | E-bola | do anybody know why? |
| 14:43.54 | oOGneaOo | E-bola: do you have any other index.* files in / ? |
| 14:44.15 | E-bola | nope |
| 14:44.21 | E-bola | only index.php starting with index |
| 14:44.29 | itchi | Yeah, atop go to be are the replacement here :-) |
| 14:44.29 | E-bola | its not in / btw |
| 14:44.29 | oOGneaOo | did you install php4 or php5? |
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| 14:44.45 | E-bola | oOGneaOo: i may have installed both i think |
| 14:44.46 | oOGneaOo | DirectoryRoot == / |
| 14:44.53 | E-bola | yes the / works fine |
| 14:44.58 | E-bola | i get the apache it works! page |
| 14:45.07 | E-bola | its in a subdirectory |
| 14:45.20 | oOGneaOo | E-bola: make sure it's one or the other |
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| 14:45.53 | E-bola | oOGneaOo: im running etch, and some pacakges seem to demand php5 |
| 14:46.00 | E-bola | like phpmyadmin. am i wrong? |
| 14:46.11 | oOGneaOo | well that's etch, i dunno |
| 14:46.28 | oOGneaOo | you'll have to check the dependencies on it |
| 14:46.55 | E-bola | ok ile try.... |
| 14:47.06 | E-bola | it works fine if i click the index.php in the dirlist |
| 14:47.18 | E-bola | thats why i find it odd, and that would sugest to me its not about php5 vs php4? |
| 14:47.57 | oOGneaOo | E-bola: is apache2 the ONLY apache installed? |
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| 14:48.42 | E-bola | oOGneaOo: i had apache-common installed |
| 14:48.46 | E-bola | but besides that yes |
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| 14:49.16 | E-bola | hmm removed php5 |
| 14:49.19 | E-bola | still same behavior |
| 14:49.23 | oOGneaOo | but not apache2-common? |
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| 14:49.45 | E-bola | doesnt seem to be such a package? |
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| 14:50.14 | oOGneaOo | check the version of apache-common |
| 14:50.25 | oOGneaOo | does it match apache2? |
| 14:50.33 | E-bola | no |
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| 14:50.36 | E-bola | 1.3 something |
| 14:50.41 | oOGneaOo | there ya go |
| 14:50.57 | oOGneaOo | dpkg -l | grep apache2 |
| 14:50.57 | dpkg | ii | grep apache2 3.5-14.1 oogneaoo's private gamp collection |
| 14:51.06 | oOGneaOo | heh |
| 14:51.16 | E-bola | ahhh they named it apache2.2-common |
| 14:51.25 | oOGneaOo | nice |
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| 14:51.31 | E-bola | and i have that installed |
| 14:51.43 | oOGneaOo | then you don't need apache-common installed |
| 14:51.47 | E-bola | but apache and php works fine |
| 14:51.53 | E-bola | it must be my config of apache? |
| 14:52.00 | E-bola | oOGneaOo: already uninstalled it |
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| 14:52.12 | oOGneaOo | not sure |
| 14:52.13 | cydork | E-bola: it works with dir listing? in which dir it exists? |
| 14:52.27 | E-bola | http://mail.byensit.dk/apache2-default/ works it goes to a page instaid of dirlisting |
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| 14:52.48 | E-bola | https://domain1/mailscanner doesnt work |
| 14:52.52 | E-bola | i get a dirlisting |
| 14:53.02 | E-bola | i can manualy click on index.php and then it works |
| 14:53.14 | E-bola | it just doesnt auto use index.php as a directory index |
| 14:53.19 | gt2 | Someone with experience with pthread, please try to following code with 2.6.18 kernel. Used to work with 2.6.17 on sid: http://rafb.net/paste/results/yAEswz14.html |
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| 14:56.53 | Sebo | Hi!! |
| 14:57.47 | E-bola | ahhh |
| 14:57.52 | E-bola | heh index.php is a symlink |
| 14:58.26 | E-bola | is that somehow not allowed? |
| 14:58.26 | E-bola | for the index file to be a symlink? |
| 14:58.31 | E-bola | it works and everything, and ,as i said, if i click on it in the dirlist the page loads fine |
| 14:58.46 | oOGneaOo | yeah, it needs to be real |
| 14:58.52 | GillaGal | anyone know where to shut off IPv6? |
| 14:59.00 | E-bola | oOGneaOo: no work around?` |
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| 14:59.10 | E-bola | since this is how the software was distributed i asume it works on other ppl's setup |
| 14:59.13 | oOGneaOo | E-bola: if it's fake, it's crap. |
| 14:59.22 | E-bola | i need followsymlinks |
| 14:59.29 | fs-a | hi, any idea why my modprobe.d/script is in the last 2 days completely ignored in sid? |
| 14:59.30 | oOGneaOo | that might help |
| 14:59.30 | azeem | gt2: report it upstream |
| 15:00.15 | oOGneaOo | GillaGal: yeah, don't load the ipv6 module |
| 15:00.21 | Sebo | I've just bought new Fujitsu Simens Amilo Pro 2055 and when I got it I boot Debian netinst CD but it hangs :/ |
| 15:00.35 | azeem | Sebo: which version of Debian |
| 15:00.42 | oOGneaOo | Sebo: on? |
| 15:00.58 | GillaGal | oOGneaOo: it can't be enabled and disabled on the fly... right? |
| 15:01.05 | Sebo | I just donwloaded new x86 iso |
| 15:01.12 | azeem | Sebo: which version? |
| 15:01.17 | azeem | and/or which URL |
| 15:01.21 | oOGneaOo | GillaGal: probably not, you might have to blacklist it |
| 15:01.22 | gt2 | azeem: can you reproduce the problem? Can you confirm that the code as it is should work correctly? |
| 15:01.27 | Sebo | And I've got CeleronM in it |
| 15:01.28 | azeem | gt2: I didn't try |
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| 15:01.34 | azeem | gt2: probably, your program is buggy, dunno |
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| 15:02.20 | cydork | E-bola: it should work with Options +FollowSymLinks |
| 15:02.30 | Sebo | Those which i've found here http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r4/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r4-i386-netinst.iso |
| 15:02.41 | E-bola | it needs a + infront? |
| 15:02.49 | azeem | Sebo: did you try "linux26" at the boot prompt? |
| 15:02.54 | E-bola | atm i have: Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews |
| 15:02.55 | Sebo | uhm |
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| 15:03.27 | Sebo | azem: I wonted to install 2.6 at first |
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| 15:04.06 | cydork | E-bola: hmm not sure. |
| 15:04.30 | oOGneaOo | Sebo: so is that what you booted with? |
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| 15:10.05 | paddy | does anyone know, why php5 is not enabled out of the box when installed on etch, together with apache-perl? |
| 15:12.00 | paddy | i enabled "AddType application/x-httpd-php .php" in /etc/apache-perl/httpd.conf, enabled the module in /etc/apache-perl/modules.conf but my browser is still asking to download the php file |
| 15:12.06 | paddy | any ideas? |
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| 15:12.32 | cydork | !php |
| 15:12.33 | dpkg | php is probably #php or http://www.php.net/. Common installation methods include libapache-mod-php4(for apache1), libapache2-mod-php4(for apache2), php4-cli(CGI). PHP5 now in etch/sid |
| 15:12.42 | Azar | yay! debian news at last! |
| 15:13.43 | abrotman | paddy: it's a module .. you need libapache2-mod-php5 |
| 15:13.53 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. wtf is apache-perl ? |
| 15:14.05 | abrotman | paddy: clear your browser cache .. restart the browser |
| 15:14.23 | paddy | that is not going to fix my problem |
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| 15:14.58 | abrotman | it could .. you'd be surprised |
| 15:15.00 | azeem | paddy: what about /etc/apache2/mods-enabled ? |
| 15:15.17 | abrotman | do you have any php installed at all ? |
| 15:15.56 | paddy | azeem, that file does not exist in /etc/apache-perl |
| 15:16.13 | azeem | paddy: why do you use/need apache-perl? |
| 15:16.16 | cydork | paddy: dpkg -l |grep libapache2-mod-php5 |
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| 15:16.40 | paddy | cydork, why would i need libapache2-* for apache-perl? |
| 15:16.57 | cydork | paddy: you need it for php not for perl.. |
| 15:17.11 | azeem | he wants to use apache1 |
| 15:17.19 | paddy | it is apache 1.3 and not apache2, do you realize that? |
| 15:18.36 | cydork | oh sorry .. do you have libapache-mod-php4? |
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| 15:19.35 | paddy | no, i have libapache-mod-php5 installed, because i use php5 as mentioned above. |
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| 15:20.40 | Azar | :( why is iceweasel in unstable? I thought we who use sarge can aspire to have it too |
| 15:20.59 | paddy | Azar, check backports.org |
| 15:21.06 | petemc | Azar: sarge doesnt get new or updated packages, just security updates |
| 15:21.08 | blondie | Azar: sarge doesn't get new packages. |
| 15:21.14 | Azar | paddy yeah I assume I will have to use backports |
| 15:21.20 | Ronin | Azar: or wait |
| 15:21.47 | Ronin | it wont make it to sarge but it will in time make its way into stable |
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| 15:22.11 | spikeb | is it a release blocker for etch? |
| 15:22.13 | Azar | ah ok.. well I can wait two or three months .. |
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| 15:23.04 | rgsteele | Anybody good with BIND here? I'm wondering if you can have a CNAME in one zone file to a name in another zone file. So, for example, in the zone file for foo.org, you have: foo.org. CNAME bar.org and in the zone file for bar.org, you'd have something like: bar.org. IN A .... |
| 15:23.12 | rgsteele | I can't seem to get it to work |
| 15:23.24 | Habbie | you can't have foo.org CNAME anything |
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| 15:24.29 | Habbie | i.e. you can't CNAME the name of a domain itself |
| 15:25.05 | rgsteele | Ah |
| 15:25.13 | rgsteele | Ok, I wasn't aware of that. Thanks Habbie |
| 15:25.23 | Habbie | not a problem |
| 15:25.33 | Habbie | the general rule is that if you want to put a CNAME on a name |
| 15:25.37 | Habbie | that name cannot have any other records |
| 15:25.41 | Habbie | in this case, foo.org has NS and SOA |
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| 15:27.44 | abrotman | paddy: is hte module being loaded ? |
| 15:27.54 | abrotman | paddy: is this a URL i can get to from outside ? |
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| 15:31.58 | abrotman | okay .. well then |
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| 15:41.28 | |bb7| | on debian testing /etc/init.d/apache2 reload produces the error: [error] (9)Bad file descriptor: apr_socket_accept: (client socket) |
| 15:41.53 | kennM | urgent problem: just updated a long list of software via dselect and now can't conect to mail server ... please help ..."CONNECTION REFUSED" message |
| 15:41.55 | |bb7| | i'm not sure wether this is a debian package bug or apache2 bug |
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| 15:42.10 | spiekey | hello! |
| 15:42.11 | abrotman | !bts |
| 15:42.12 | dpkg | i heard bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 15:42.34 | spiekey | where change i change my chipset/ide module? |
| 15:42.41 | spiekey | i get a kernel panic on a new box |
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| 15:43.55 | spiekey | or can i force the ide_generic module? |
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| 15:44.02 | kennM | can anyone help, please? |
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| 15:45.21 | abrotman | kennM: is the smtp server even running ? |
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| 15:45.54 | abrotman | kennM: which version of debian is this? |
| 15:46.22 | aarkerio | Hi, with "apt-get update" I am getting the message "there is no public key to A70DAF536070D3A1" |
| 15:47.19 | kennM | abrolman, how do i check to see if smtp is running? |
| 15:47.45 | aarkerio | apt-key update updates four keys but not A70DAFF536070D3A1 |
| 15:48.09 | SlayerXP | aardvarc: /topic |
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| 15:48.16 | SlayerXP | aarkerio: /topic |
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| 15:51.17 | itchi | Looks like boa-constuctor is again available for Etch, so i install it and get the following messages. http://pastebin.com/835400 Is this a bug? I have start boa-constructor, looks to work |
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| 15:52.42 | itchi | Zope is not yet installed on this box, is that an missing depencie? |
| 15:53.24 | kennM | i'm running postfix as a virtual server ... after update, i can't connect to mail server ... could it be a password issue with mysql? i can't connect via web-based programs, either, though i can get the login screen ... how do i check to see if "root" and "password" are still correct logins for mysql database? |
| 15:53.36 | streuner | abrotman: something for YOU :-) http://216.165.193.165:8000 - They playing (almost) only PF ;-) |
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| 15:54.12 | Azar | itchi: do you use apt-get to install packages? |
| 15:55.01 | itchi | Azar: Yes |
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| 15:55.26 | itchi | Azar: Should i use aptitude maybe here? |
| 15:55.33 | Azar | itchi try using "aptitude install" << that installs the package you want + all dependent packages |
| 15:55.44 | SeanTater | I cannot access the ,gnupg in my home folder (it's 700 root.root), is it safe to "chown sean.sean" it? |
| 15:55.55 | itchi | Azar: apt-get should do the same task for that?? |
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| 15:56.20 | Azar | itchi: with apt-get you will install each and every one (one by one) |
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| 15:56.57 | SeanTater | Azar: I apt-get install all the time, it installs dependancies too |
| 15:57.05 | itchi | Azar: I just have not use aptitude from the begin on this computer, aptitude want to remove a bunch of stuff. I use aptitude on other computers where i did it from the begin. |
| 15:57.10 | SeanTater | Azar: dpkg does not, however |
| 15:57.13 | Azar | SeanTater: use what you want |
| 15:57.34 | itchi | Azar: Btw, synaptic, what use that? |
| 15:57.52 | Azar | itchi: when aptitude starts a clean up it may be because a lot of your packages are breaking dependencies |
| 15:57.52 | streuner | itchi: couldn't be that long, because aptitude went into debian not that long, from some *mighty' DD's |
| 15:58.29 | Azar | itchi: unfortunately I never got the chance to use synaptic |
| 15:58.37 | streuner | use 'kpackage' *cough*! |
| 15:58.44 | Azar | :) |
| 15:59.05 | streuner | kpackage is just great, but have no big 'lobby' in debian :-) |
| 15:59.19 | streuner | s/have/has/ |
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| 15:59.29 | itchi | Azar: My wife use Synaptic :-) |
| 15:59.38 | Azar | itchi: I started using aptitude when I upgraded to Sarge as it was recommended I guess to ensure a clean and stable installation of packages.. |
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| 16:00.02 | Azar | itchi: I would not use what my family tells me but only what is recommended by Debian documentation |
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| 16:00.51 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, i gona play with aptitude, does not matters what he gona remove, gona reinstall it with aptitude. That sucks a bit to use apt-get and aptitude on diff machines. Gona uniformalize. Would be many better |
| 16:01.27 | itchi | Azar: No, it's my that i tell to my wife to use Synaptic, she not like the cli, she is an normal user |
| 16:01.51 | streuner | itchi: tell her she should try 'kpackage' |
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| 16:02.01 | itchi | streuner: Yeah, gona test that too |
| 16:02.10 | streuner | itchi: keep in mind kpackage works nowadays only in KDE :-) |
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| 16:02.22 | itchi | streuner: ow, i can forget it then |
| 16:03.05 | SeanTater | !debian-multimedia |
| 16:03.06 | dpkg | [debian-multimedia] a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 16:03.27 | streuner | SeanTater: we know this factoid... |
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| 16:03.47 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to download the .deb package of an already installed package? |
| 16:03.50 | SeanTater | streuner: I know, I meant to /msg it but forgot |
| 16:03.53 | ma3x | if I get a windows .ttf font, where can I put it in linux? |
| 16:03.57 | CharminTheMoose | plus all deps automatically? |
| 16:04.04 | streuner | CharminTheMoose: man apt-get |
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| 16:04.22 | itchi | hhhmm, aptitude not wants to remove so many apps, hhhmmm, the last time i had try that on the laptop, he wanted to remove many more. |
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| 16:04.33 | streuner | ma3x: somebody told us in ~./fonts, but it didn't work for me... |
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| 16:04.58 | streuner | ma3x: so, if that doesn't work, just /msg dpkg ttf xf4 |
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| 16:05.32 | abrotman | streuner: ewwwwwwwww |
| 16:05.41 | abrotman | kennM: ps aux ? |
| 16:05.53 | plutonas | hello #debian |
| 16:05.55 | streuner | abrotman: that's even for hardcore fans sometimes too much ;-) |
| 16:06.05 | abrotman | ehehr |
| 16:06.08 | itchi | I have remove boa-constructor with aptitude, reinstall it with aptitude, but get the same errors :-/ Looks like an little bug in that package. |
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| 16:06.58 | CharminTheMoose | apt-get doesn't have what i need it to do i don't think....... |
| 16:07.11 | itchi | Maybe, gona reuse my own packaged deb of boa-constructor |
| 16:07.23 | Eula | lenny comming soon!! |
| 16:08.21 | itchi | Someone use here boa-constructor on Etch? |
| 16:08.35 | kennM | abrotman, i did that and don't see smtp |
| 16:08.42 | abrotman | you wouldn't |
| 16:08.47 | abrotman | it'd be called exim or postfix or something |
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| 16:08.51 | abrotman | !open ports |
| 16:08.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, open ports is # netstat -plunt, or lsof -i -n, or ask me about <open files>, or fuser -n tcp <portnumber> |
| 16:08.55 | E-bola | where is the php4 binary in debian? |
| 16:09.06 | |bb7| | when i send a bug to the debian bug report system via email, is it reviewed by someone before it goes to the database? |
| 16:09.12 | abrotman | E-bola: which php4 package ? |
| 16:09.22 | abrotman | |bb7|: no .. takes up 45 minutes to appear though |
| 16:09.24 | E-bola | nm :) |
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| 16:09.33 | blondie | E-bola: /usr/bin |
| 16:09.34 | E-bola | forgot i had to install the php4-cli package |
| 16:09.42 | kennM | iabrotman, i can see mysqld and amavis, etc. but not postfix |
| 16:09.44 | |bb7| | thx |
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| 16:10.13 | dusty-- | Hey guys, I have a server with Raid1 - mirror on it. One of the disks have failed... what would be the steps i have to take to get the new disk working? I have unplugged the failed one and plugged the new one in, how do i get it to rebuild? |
| 16:10.29 | kennM | abrotman, i did /etc/init.d/postfix start but still dont' see it on ps aux |
| 16:10.32 | blondie | dusty--: you need to create teh right type of partition first of all |
| 16:10.35 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to download the .deb package of an already installed package plus all the deps automatically?Apt-get works not... |
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| 16:10.50 | stew | dusty--: software raid or hardware raid |
| 16:10.58 | FinnTux | dusty--, and same sized partitions |
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| 16:11.13 | dusty-- | stew, software raid |
| 16:11.19 | itchi | Looks like no bug for boa-consturctor about it. |
| 16:11.33 | Renfield | Next problem: When I try to "Select and install packages" it immediately fails. An error message is displayed on the screen, but goes by too fast as the Debian ncurses screen pops up and says there was a problem insalling select packages. |
| 16:11.38 | stew | CharminTheMoose: apt-get -d install packagename |
| 16:11.50 | stew | itchi: /msg dpkg bat |
| 16:12.05 | Renfield | I've tried this several times, and tried reconfiguring apt, to no avail. |
| 16:12.27 | Renfield | configuring apt seems to work, as it says it is downloading stuff. |
| 16:12.47 | itchi | stew: Thanks for the info, i had paste here above the trouble it gave after installing it http://pastebin.com/835400 |
| 16:13.16 | abrotman | kennM: so look in your error logs |
| 16:13.16 | CharminTheMoose | stew,that doesn't seem to do it,would it be better for me to just manually download the packages+their deps? |
| 16:13.23 | itchi | stew: Gona mail the maintainer and talk with him about it |
| 16:13.28 | stew | CharminTheMoose: what does it do? |
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| 16:13.58 | itchi | stew: But not sure if it's an bug or not |
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| 16:14.12 | WingZer0 | im tryin to find out where i can get support for nph-proxy.cgi |
| 16:14.48 | itchi | stew: At least it should be are an bug, like he tell SyntaxError: 'return' outside function |
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| 16:17.02 | itchi | stew: That's looks an trouble of python 2.4 to 2.5?? |
| 16:17.35 | orzelf | hello. i want to install a vserver-aware kernel on some debian sarge. I thought it would be as easy as 'install new kernel/reboot', but it doesn't seem to be as easy |
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| 16:17.44 | orzelf | i've had a hard time finding documentation about this. |
| 16:17.49 | kennM | abrotman, no entries in mail.log in last hour ... in sys.log i get Nov 29 09:35:16 exim /usr/sbin/cron[1328]: (CRON) INFO (Running @reboot jobs) |
| 16:17.49 | kennM | Nov 29 09:39:01 exim /USR/SBIN/CRON[1389]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php4 ] && find /var/lib/php4/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php4/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) |
| 16:17.49 | kennM | Nov 29 09:39:01 exim /USR/SBIN/CRON[1390]: (root) CMD ( [ -d /var/lib/php5 ] && find /var/lib/php5/ -type f -cmin +$(/usr/lib/php5/maxlifetime) -print0 | xargs -r -0 rm) |
| 16:17.49 | kennM | Nov 29 09:55:00 exim -- MARK -- |
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| 16:18.02 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 16:18.04 | orzelf | Do you have any hint ? I can compile a kernel, but i would prefer some stable/tested solution |
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| 16:18.13 | CharminTheMoose | stew: sudo apt-get -d install passwd:passwd is already at the newest version |
| 16:18.22 | abrotman | kennM: don't do that :) |
| 16:18.29 | CharminTheMoose | and i'm trying to do it for a mini distro i'm making |
| 16:18.34 | kennM | sorry ... i'm IRC challenged. |
| 16:18.46 | itchi | stew: I look to the file /usr/share/boa-constructor/ZopeLib/zoa/filteredmetatypes.py and there are some lines commented, and only one line return context.aq_parent.document_src() I have not have learn that we could return somethings out of an function, we can only return some stuff in an function. And installing it complain for the same reason |
| 16:18.47 | Azar | itchi: http://packages.debian.org/stable/devel/boa-constructor |
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| 16:19.36 | stew | itchi: have you checked the bts? |
| 16:19.36 | itchi | Azar: Etch here. I have make my own deb of boa-constructor, like it have take some time before it was again available. |
| 16:19.45 | jcb | hey, how do i tell what block size my ext3 filesystem is using? |
| 16:19.50 | itchi | stew: Yes, looks nothing match it |
| 16:19.58 | stew | itchi: please file a bug then |
| 16:20.17 | mconway | to run a script in cron eery hour, do i just add it to the /etc/crontab file? |
| 16:20.17 | itchi | stew: Okay, maybe i go first re mail him, had little contacts with him |
| 16:20.20 | Azar | itchi: if you want to have your own deal with fixing it |
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| 16:20.28 | kennM | abrotman, i appreciate your help ... any idea what i can try, before the boss kills me? |
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| 16:20.41 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, i want to try to help the maintainer, if i can, looks he have some troubles |
| 16:21.21 | Azar | yup I guess the maintainer is not here in #debian |
| 16:21.48 | itchi | Azar: That's why i have insist a bit, hope that he waked up ;-) |
| 16:22.00 | stew | itchi: its already filed: |
| 16:22.05 | stew | !dbugs 399276 |
| 16:22.09 | dpkg | #399276:I[boa-constructor] SyntaxError installing after python transition; Sat, 18 Nov 2006 23:03:01 UTC |
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| 16:22.15 | itchi | ow |
| 16:22.27 | stew | and this is why its not in testing |
| 16:22.40 | itchi | stew: It is right now in Etch |
| 16:22.46 | stew | itchi: no its not |
| 16:22.54 | itchi | stew: hhhmm, strange |
| 16:22.58 | stew | hmm, this bug is only important, i'm upgrading it to serious |
| 16:22.58 | streuner | !info boa-constructor etch |
| 16:22.59 | Azar | nope is in stable or unstable, not in testing |
| 16:23.46 | Azar | so aptitude is right about it |
| 16:24.08 | stew | hmm, no i guess maybe this didn't prevent the successful install? |
| 16:24.09 | abrotman | kennM: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 16:24.18 | itchi | Maybe, i have install my own deb, have worked fine for some weeks, and still works right. Did an apt-get update, and saw that boa-constructor was going to be upgrade, so i have first remove my own boa-constructor deb file and have reinstall it of the sources.list |
| 16:24.52 | itchi | stew: It is installed, looks to work, just that error that he gave there |
| 16:25.12 | Azar | stew: yes but now everytime he uses aptitude , aptitude tries to tell him that that package is a junk |
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| 16:25.32 | itchi | Azar: ow, i have messed a bit the things up here?? |
| 16:26.00 | itchi | Yeah, i had first used apt-get, now aptitude, whoooaa, i make the conversation so complicated, sorry |
| 16:26.00 | Azar | itchi: well, I guess is ok if your package works for you but aptitude will revolt everytime you use it. |
| 16:26.04 | stew | Azar: it dodn't do anything like that for me |
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| 16:26.27 | stew | itchi: if you are getting errors with aptitude please put them in a pastebin |
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| 16:26.38 | itchi | http://pastebin.com/835400 |
| 16:26.39 | kennM | abrotman, results in ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 16:26.40 | Azar | stew: I guess that package prompts aptitude to tell itchi that some dependencies are not met |
| 16:26.43 | stew | itchi: and prefereably not pastebin.com that takes 25 years to respond |
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| 16:27.00 | itchi | stew: Sorry, window still open |
| 16:27.15 | stew | itchi: how did you install it? dpkg -i? aptitude install? apt-get? |
| 16:27.27 | Azar | stew maybe there is already a bug filled for aptitude related to that package |
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| 16:27.36 | Renfield | I am behind a firewall, and although I told the debian installer to use ftp (which does not need a proxy) it appears to be using http (well port 80) for secruity.debian.org. How do I tell it the proxy information? |
| 16:27.38 | stew | Azar: why? what is the bug? |
| 16:27.54 | itchi | stew: The maintainers version, aptitude install foo |
| 16:27.58 | abrotman | kennM: why are you running debian/unstable for your mail server ? |
| 16:28.18 | Azar | stew, itchi said that when he uses apt-get or aptitude or whatever he is prompted about some packages removals |
| 16:28.38 | stew | Azar: why is that a bug? |
| 16:28.47 | stew | itchi: so you have unstable in sources.list? you said before you were running etch, but if that were the case it shouldn't have been able to install boa-constructor |
| 16:28.52 | itchi | Azar: Ow sorry, i think you have missed somethings, that's already fixed, (reinstalled) |
| 16:28.54 | kennM | it's a long story .... it happened by accident before i got this job, and people told me it wasn't possible to go back, so i left it the way it was ... okay until today. |
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| 16:29.05 | Azar | same happened to me after aptitude upgraded my x-server... kept telling me that xfree86 is unused therefore it will be removed... |
| 16:29.25 | stew | Azar: sounds correct |
| 16:29.32 | Azar | ah ok so itchi now it works ok |
| 16:29.36 | itchi | Azar: Because i had first use apt-get for some time, and switched to aptitude, i have reinstall the packages with aptitude and everythings about it is ok now. And i gona continue with aptitude now ;-) |
| 16:30.18 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, just that error i got there about boa-constructor |
| 16:30.19 | abrotman | kennM: you're going to have to read through a pile of logs .. and check the BTS |
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| 16:30.53 | Azar | stew, the Oct10 x-server and xfree86 upgrade mislead aptitude in thinking that a .dm creates a dependency for those packages: no .dm = no x-server |
| 16:31.00 | Azar | bug #100 |
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| 16:31.18 | abrotman | kennM: more importantly .. you should find the idiot responsible for the machine and kill him |
| 16:31.23 | CptAJ[vzla] | hey guys, whats the simplest way of having a program run automatically on boot? (simple as in not having to write an init.d script) >_> |
| 16:31.54 | kennM | if i knew who did it, i WOULD kill him ... thinking i might build another mail server faster than i can solve the probvlem on this one ... |
| 16:32.44 | itchi | So it's my own deb file that are cached?? I'm a bit confussed |
| 16:33.21 | blondie | itchi: is that confusion due to concussion? |
| 16:33.31 | Azar | :) |
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| 16:33.38 | itchi | blondie: hehe |
| 16:33.41 | itchi | nope |
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| 16:34.38 | itchi | Because i have packaged boa-constructor_0.4.4cvs20050714-2 and dpkg -i shows me 0.4.4cvs20050714-3 |
| 16:34.59 | itchi | So boa is been in Etch or i'm crazy |
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| 16:35.31 | Azar | itchi: check the packages website, you will see for yourself: it is NOT in Etch |
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| 16:35.51 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, heh, weird week i got |
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| 16:36.12 | abrotman | kennM: it might be |
| 16:36.32 | Savant2k6 | hi there, is anybody here that knows a lot stuff about exim4 under debian? |
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| 16:36.39 | streuner | no |
| 16:36.40 | jelly | hi, what's the factoid pointing to ESR's article about how to ask questions in a good way? |
| 16:36.48 | petemc | smart questions |
| 16:36.53 | Phated | !tell jelly about smart questions |
| 16:37.02 | streuner | Savan2k6: /j #debian.de on OFTC |
| 16:37.07 | Flimqy | I get a "Yenta: no PCI IRQ, CardBus support disabled for this socket." when trying to load the module for my Atheros pcmcia wireless card. I'm using custom kernel 2.6.18.3. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? Google has been mostly unhelpful. |
| 16:37.17 | petemc | did esr write that, or steal it from someone else like all the rest of his shit |
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| 16:37.23 | streuner | Savan2k6: but don't troll :-) |
| 16:37.25 | itchi | Gona eat, whould be better :-p |
| 16:37.36 | Azar | petemc: hehe nice |
| 16:38.13 | Savant2k6 | streuner: will try. this exim4 installation is driving me nuts. somehow this update-exim4.conf script doesn't take the changes. will try my luck there |
| 16:38.33 | jelly | petemc: who cares? It's useful. |
| 16:38.55 | petemc | jelly: since i asked, it would be fair to say i care |
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| 16:42.03 | jelly | petemc: sounded like a rhetorical (and prejudiced) question and to me... :-P |
| 16:42.52 | jelly | petemc: There's the (c) right in the article. |
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| 16:44.03 | w0jtas | hi, how can i change "blabla" to "bleble" in all files in folder ? |
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| 16:44.10 | petemc | jelly: i cant deny some prejudice, i think hes a bit of an idiot.. |
| 16:44.41 | DimmuR | where can i find faq and full list of commands that i can use here? |
| 16:44.49 | petemc | jelly: or, i should say, i think how he's portrayed in the media, as i dont know him personally |
| 16:45.57 | aadil | are u people talking about tom cruise and katie holmes 's wedding? |
| 16:46.02 | aadil | ;d |
| 16:46.15 | jelly | aadil: What? Tom Cruise getting married? |
| 16:46.20 | Ronin | aadil: what on earth for? do they run debian too? |
| 16:46.24 | jelly | My life is over... |
| 16:46.30 | streuner | jelly: sure, where do you life? |
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| 16:46.46 | Flimqy | Has anyone here used a PCI-to-PCMCIA adaptor in Debian? I can't seem to get mine to work; dmesg complains that CardBus is not supported. |
| 16:46.50 | Danielss89 | what does this mean: |
| 16:46.50 | Danielss89 | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) |
| 16:46.57 | aadil | Ronin, who knows? |
| 16:47.04 | epsilon | the Tomkat-Wedding in italy? |
| 16:47.11 | CharminTheMoose | is it possible for me to download the .deb package of an already installed package plus all the deps automatically?Apt-get works not... |
| 16:47.13 | aadil | yeah |
| 16:47.38 | Phated | Who -cares-? That's beyond offtopic. |
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| 16:48.10 | aadil | i know, it was a lame joke - u ppl were off topic but i couldnt understand what it was bout |
| 16:48.12 | aadil | oh well |
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| 16:50.09 | Azar | ooppss |
| 16:50.34 | Azar | I just wanted to go to a website for news on Nvidia linux drivers and my browser died |
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| 16:51.20 | eSa| | can someone suggest an howto to configure wireless on debian etch? |
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| 16:51.56 | aadil | yes, wireless on debian howto |
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| 16:52.11 | stew | eSa|: install wireless-tools and "man 7 wireless" "man 5 interfaces" |
| 16:52.11 | Azar | is http://www.hardocp.com works for you or is only my browser? |
| 16:52.20 | Danielss89 | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2) <--- does this mean that mysql isnt installed or just inst started? |
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| 16:53.05 | thelostbutler | Danielss89: does that file /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock exist ? |
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| 16:53.38 | stew | Danielss89: it means it isn't started. the reason it isn't started could be that it isn't installed but we don't know without more information |
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| 16:54.07 | Danielss89 | stew how do i start it? |
| 16:54.21 | Danielss89 | it must be installed cause it worked for just a few minutes ago |
| 16:54.32 | stew | Danielss89: /etc/init.d/mysql start |
| 16:54.56 | Danielss89 | nice its up |
| 16:55.28 | Danielss89 | thx |
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| 17:00.57 | sts | hello folks |
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| 17:02.11 | sts | can someone help me configure mod_perl? i have the following mod_perl configuration: http://paste.debian.net/17519 |
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| 17:02.47 | sts | but when i try to open a perl script with my browser it just downloads it instead of returning a website... |
| 17:03.19 | sts | the script is like: #!/usr/bin/perl print "Content-type: text/plain\n\n" |
| 17:03.36 | WingZer0 | im tryin to find out where i can get support for nph-proxy.cgi |
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| 17:08.50 | stew | WingZer0: what is nph-proxy.cgi? where did you get it? |
| 17:09.58 | Danielss89 | sts ive got the same problem |
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| 17:14.00 | arghvvv | Will debian still be making the december release? |
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| 17:14.18 | Ronin | arghvvv: maybe yes maybe no |
| 17:14.35 | stew | arghvvv: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 17:14.36 | Habbie | yeah, that's a really useful answer :) |
| 17:14.42 | arghvvv | lol |
| 17:15.08 | Habbie | why does dpkg say there is no estimate? there -was- an estimate |
| 17:15.10 | sts | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:15.13 | kml | hi, firefox reports it already runninng even it not running at all so i can't launch it. how can i fix this? |
| 17:15.22 | arghvvv | yeah it was december 4th or something |
| 17:15.24 | arghvvv | I believe |
| 17:15.34 | Ronin | Habbie: but a good one too, do you know if it will be released? do you know what snags they may hit that will unexectidly throw them off schedule |
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| 17:15.36 | stew | kml: try pkill firefox-bin |
| 17:16.06 | kml | nope |
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| 17:16.35 | kml | is there a lock file? |
| 17:16.39 | Habbie | Ronin, there was an official estimate, dpkg says there is none, so there are mixed messages, and that is weird - is all i am saying |
| 17:16.48 | Ronin | ahh |
| 17:17.12 | kml | i get this problem after a system crashed |
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| 17:17.26 | stew | !when will etch release =~ s/There are no current estimates. // |
| 17:17.34 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 17:17.37 | Ronin | stew: i like it :) |
| 17:17.51 | stew | Habbie: fixed |
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| 17:18.13 | jovans | hi |
| 17:18.58 | g333k_work | Hi, how can I do to boot just in console mode? |
| 17:19.18 | stew | g333k_work: /msg dpkg nodm |
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| 17:20.14 | g333k_work | stew, I need gdm installed... I just want my server to boot in console mode |
| 17:20.51 | kml | stew: any suggestions? |
| 17:20.55 | DimmuR | kml, try to remove lock file |
| 17:21.01 | kml | where? |
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| 17:21.31 | DimmuR | should be in $HOME/.mozilla/firefox/<profile> |
| 17:22.21 | stew | g333k_work: update-rc.d gdm remove |
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| 17:22.52 | stew | kml: so this happens even after rebooting? |
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| 17:23.21 | g333k_work | stew, what if I change the default runlevel to 3 in the inittab file? |
| 17:23.22 | DimmuR | stew, it happens after crash - for me the same happens with liferea - because it doesn't remove lock file |
| 17:23.54 | kml | it happens after i did a hard shutdown and reboot the system. |
| 17:24.03 | stew | g333k_work: then you'd have to use update-rc.d (or some other means) to remove gdm from runlevel 3 (in debian, gdm would, by default, start in all runlevels 2-5) |
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| 17:24.08 | aadil | g333k, vga=792 in grub's menu.lst |
| 17:26.32 | stew | aadil: ? |
| 17:27.13 | aadil | sorry, i misunderstood his question |
| 17:27.43 | kml | well, remove the firefox/profile.ini seem to work but I lost all my bookmarks |
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| 17:28.09 | DimmuR | kml, just remove lock file not profiles.ini |
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| 17:28.59 | kml | right, just found the lock file. thanks |
| 17:29.03 | g333k_work | stew, in ubuntu too?¡ |
| 17:29.20 | Renfield | I'm trying to install Debian. I am at the package installation step. I get an error "The following packages have unmet dependencies: udev: conflicts with hal (<0.5.6-2) but 0.4.7-3sarg1 is to be installed". How do I proceede? |
| 17:30.13 | stew | g333k_work: i have no idea. ask #ubuntu |
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| 17:31.50 | stew | Renfield: are you trying to mix stable and testing? did you use a very old sarge installer? |
| 17:32.03 | evilbulgarian | hi is there a vnc client for linux that can connect to a different vnc port then the default kde's krdc seems to not be able to do this? |
| 17:32.11 | stew | Renfield: can you put the output of "apt-cache policy udev libc6" into a pastebin? |
| 17:32.16 | kml | DimmuR: I removed the lock file but it that didn't help at all. |
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| 17:32.48 | stew | evilbulgarian: xvncviewer |
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| 17:33.05 | evilbulgarian | stew: thanks! |
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| 17:34.33 | Renfield | stew Nope, I am not. I started out with 3.1 netinst, but then had to download a different ISO with the 2.6.18 kernel for my hardware. |
| 17:34.33 | solars | if I want to replace a string in a file, are there any better ways than cat myfile | sed '3 c foo'>myfile ? |
| 17:35.00 | evilbulgarian | stew: do u know what the syntax is off hand ? <hostname>::<port> |
| 17:35.11 | stew | Renfield: you need a backported hal as well then |
| 17:35.21 | rgsteele | wahoooie! Man, it's a good feeling when something you've been working on for awhile starts functioning flawlessly :) |
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| 17:37.13 | stew | evilbulgarian: bah, i'm sorry, that's the wrong one |
| 17:37.33 | evilbulgarian | stew: no prob |
| 17:37.49 | evilbulgarian | stew: what abotu something for remote desktop too? |
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| 17:38.07 | blondie | how can I see how much memory a process is using? |
| 17:38.31 | stew | evilbulgarian: rdesktop can definately connect to arbitrary ports |
| 17:38.58 | blondie | even mstsc.exe can! |
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| 17:39.50 | Flimqy | Anyone have any idea what font package I might need to install to get text to work with stupid flash web sites? |
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| 17:40.48 | blondie | isn't the text embedded in FLash animations? |
| 17:40.54 | itchi | I'm still flashing |
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| 17:41.03 | blondie | itchi: how rude! put some clothes on |
| 17:41.14 | itchi | blondie: Buahaha |
| 17:41.27 | cyzie | hello, i have a SD card, in debian, it cant be detected while in windows, it is working perfectly |
| 17:41.30 | cyzie | hi itchi ;) |
| 17:41.35 | blondie | itchi: unless you're male and hot. |
| 17:41.51 | Flimqy | blondie: No text is visible in flash right now. I can't figure out why |
| 17:41.55 | itchi | blondie: Ow, shit |
| 17:41.57 | blondie | rare |
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| 17:42.30 | Flimqy | I'm visiting finance.google.com |
| 17:42.39 | Flimqy | stock prices, the date, etc, at the top of the graph is missing |
| 17:42.46 | Flimqy | I just see fun lines |
| 17:43.33 | Renfield | stew Ok, I added backports.org to my sources.list, but it still has the problem. How do I make it use backports.org? |
| 17:43.33 | blondie | Flimqy: the graph on there isn't flash |
| 17:43.41 | Flimqy | blondie: it is if you have flash installed. |
| 17:43.53 | blondie | uninstall it then ;) |
| 17:43.58 | Flimqy | No |
| 17:44.09 | itchi | If i install with dpkg -i foo.deb and remove it. Should that leave in the cache somewhere? Did apt-get clean to be sure |
| 17:44.10 | Flimqy | that doesn't fix my problem :P |
| 17:44.10 | stew | Renfield: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18 |
| 17:44.23 | blondie | Flimqy: though... i have flash installed and don't get flash on there |
| 17:44.33 | Flimqy | blondie: Then you don't have it installed correctly :) |
| 17:44.40 | blondie | I do. |
| 17:44.43 | stew | itchi: if you use dpkg -i ... it wouln't have anything to do with apt-get's cache |
| 17:44.50 | blondie | it works for other Flash websites just fine |
| 17:44.51 | Flimqy | If you do, then you would see a flash graph there. |
| 17:44.55 | blondie | nope |
| 17:44.57 | blondie | you must be mistaken |
| 17:44.58 | Flimqy | Yup. |
| 17:45.01 | Flimqy | You must be :) |
| 17:45.04 | blondie | nope |
| 17:45.09 | Danielss89 | hmm when i try to run a perlscript in my browser it just downloads it.. what do i do to fix this? |
| 17:45.09 | Flimqy | I've used flash on that site for months |
| 17:45.12 | Flimqy | in many browsers. |
| 17:45.13 | blondie | my Flash is working just fine |
| 17:45.14 | itchi | stew: Yeah, what's i was a bit thinking about it, heh, still weird with that boa-constructor |
| 17:45.23 | stew | itchi: what is still wierd? |
| 17:45.25 | Flimqy | blondie: Okay. Thanks anyway. |
| 17:45.31 | Bklyn | Danielss89: sounds like you need to install and enable mod-perl on your web server |
| 17:45.35 | itchi | stew: It's not yet available in Etch?? |
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| 17:45.42 | Bklyn | Danielss89: the browser does NOT run Perl scripts |
| 17:46.02 | Azar | itchi hehe, I guess we told you one hour ago... why are you trying to go around? |
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| 17:46.08 | Olive_ | hello ! |
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| 17:46.09 | Danielss89 | hmm can i write something in ssh putty to check if mod perl is enabled Bklyn? |
| 17:46.26 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, but i have -3 here, i can aptitude install it |
| 17:46.26 | Bklyn | Danielss89: clearly it isn't |
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| 17:46.42 | Flimqy | blondie: I know with complete certianty that if you don't see a flash graph with a stock quote on finance.google.com, that your flash is not installed correctly. But it doesn't really matter since you don't know how to fix my problem anyway. hehe |
| 17:46.45 | itchi | Azar: It's not available but it is :-/ |
| 17:46.46 | Bklyn | Danielss89: http://perl.apache.org/ |
| 17:46.50 | Azar | itchi officially your damn package is NOT in Etch |
| 17:47.32 | stew | itchi: please paste the output of "apt-cache policy boa-constructor" |
| 17:47.33 | Azar | itchi: I guess aptitude will install the package it finds in the stable repo |
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| 17:47.33 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, looks like, but i can aptitude it, woooaa, tell that to the guys here ;-) |
| 17:47.35 | Azar | itchi, did you installed it? |
| 17:47.47 | g333k_work | stew, after doing the update-rc.d gdm remove, how do I close the X environment? |
| 17:47.50 | itchi | Azar: I do it again for the 36 time |
| 17:48.02 | itchi | Still get that erorr there, you know |
| 17:48.05 | Azar | itchi, if you can install it is ok just please STOP IT |
| 17:48.11 | itchi | But he install it |
| 17:48.22 | itchi | Azar: Yup |
| 17:48.26 | Azar | how many hours you gonna keep on it? |
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| 17:48.42 | itchi | Azar: Man, if you _not_ understand, give you it up?? |
| 17:48.55 | Bklyn | g333k_work: ctrl-alt-backspace should stop X |
| 17:49.05 | blondie | Flimqy: rubbish. I've just tested on another PC using IE and FF (both with Flash working perfectly) and neither show Flash stuff on that page. |
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| 17:49.12 | blondie | and neither does it on here. |
| 17:49.16 | Flimqy | blondie: Then you're on the wrong page. |
| 17:49.27 | Flimqy | blondie: click on DOW or S&P 500, or put in a ticker symbol. |
| 17:49.29 | blondie | i'm on the page you gave the url to. |
| 17:49.41 | Danielss89 | hmmm Bklyn http://pastebin.dk/index.php?show=2472 |
| 17:49.59 | stew | g333k_work: /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 17:50.04 | itchi | stew: http://paste.uni.cc/11752 |
| 17:50.05 | blondie | Flimqy: ok I see... there's no text on it |
| 17:50.13 | Flimqy | blondie: Does it work in IE? |
| 17:50.24 | Bklyn | Danielss89: you're new to this whole debian thing I am guessing |
| 17:50.35 | itchi | stew: It's been from ftp://ftp.skynet.be testing/main ?? |
| 17:50.45 | Bklyn | Danielss89: you want libapache-mod-perl or perhaps libapache2-mod-perl |
| 17:50.51 | Bklyn | depending on which version of apache you're running |
| 17:50.52 | Danielss89 | hehe yes Bklyn i am |
| 17:50.56 | itchi | stew: So i'm not crazy?? |
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| 17:51.00 | Danielss89 | apache 2.2 |
| 17:51.08 | Bklyn | so libapache2-mod-perl |
| 17:51.23 | Bklyn | and I believe it will enable itself automagically when you install it |
| 17:51.41 | blondie | Flimqy: it works in FF 2.0 on windows |
| 17:51.51 | Flimqy | blondie: Yup. |
| 17:52.03 | Flimqy | blondie: and it worked in FF a week ago on this same Linux box. |
| 17:52.04 | PupenoR | I have to restart a computer and I want it NOT to check the hard disks for problem, would this lines ensure that: tune2fs -T now -C 0 /dev/hda0 ? |
| 17:52.11 | blondie | maybe it needs a newer flash than linux has? doesn't work here |
| 17:52.24 | Flimqy | blondie: I have a feeling google changed their flash code, and it now references a new font or something that isn't installed on this box. |
| 17:52.27 | blondie | PupenoR: why would it check? |
| 17:52.30 | Bklyn | PupenoR: it shouldn't check them unless they need a check |
| 17:52.41 | Flimqy | blondie: B/c no software changed on this box since the time it worked and the time it stopped working |
| 17:52.43 | Bklyn | e.g. its been ~6 months or some number of reboots since the last check |
| 17:52.50 | g333k_work | stew, the problem is that I need the gdm running.... because I have a ltsp server |
| 17:52.55 | PupenoR | blondie, Bklyn: after some time (30 days?) or some amount of mounts (60 mounts ?) it checks no matter what. |
| 17:53.03 | stew | g333k_work: so what is the question? |
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| 17:53.23 | Danielss89 | Bklyn it was called libapache2-mod-perl2 |
| 17:53.24 | Bklyn | PupenoR: I think its 6 months |
| 17:53.37 | PupenoR | Bklyn: it's configurable acutally. |
| 17:53.44 | Bklyn | PupenoR: but yes, if you reset the mount count, etc it should not check |
| 17:53.54 | g333k_work | stew, I'm now inside xfce, I want to go out from xfce and boot next times in runlevel 3, but keeping the gdm avaiable for my clients |
| 17:53.54 | itchi | Azar: Have you look my paste? |
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| 17:54.16 | Danielss89 | hmm its still not working Bklyn |
| 17:54.22 | Renfield | stew: Ok, I am attempting to run the aptitude update; apt-get -t ... mentioned by dpkg, but I get repeated errors "debconf: DbDriver "config": /var/cache/debconf/config.dat is locked by another process" |
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| 17:54.38 | PupenoR | Bklyn: I know that part, what I am asking is if that line does it. |
| 17:54.48 | stew | Renfield: you have another copy of apt-get / aptitude / dselect /synaptic or something running, you need to kill that first |
| 17:54.57 | Bklyn | Danielss89: I'd suggest checking the congfiguration now as per the perl.apache.org docs or the docs in libapache2-mod-perl2-doc |
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| 17:55.13 | stew | g333k_work: "update-rc.d gdm defaults" will re-add gdm to runlevel 3 |
| 17:55.14 | Pinkle_Rose | hello |
| 17:55.15 | Bklyn | PupenoR: seems like it wuold |
| 17:55.33 | Bklyn | PupenoR: but then it will never auto-check that fs unless you revert those changes |
| 17:55.34 | stew | g333k_work: if you wanted gdm to start, you shouldn't have removed it from runlevel 3 in the first place |
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| 17:55.53 | Renfield | stew I can only imagine that it is from the "Debian base system configuration" tool. Right now I am in the "Choose the next step in the install process" screen. |
| 17:55.53 | Bklyn | PupenoR: you might also want to add -i 0 |
| 17:56.04 | Pinkle_Rose | someone know where is keep info about last session time? |
| 17:56.07 | Bklyn | actually forget that |
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| 17:56.14 | g333k_work | stew, ok I havent done it |
| 17:56.25 | Bklyn | Pinkle_Rose: /var/adm/wtmp? |
| 17:56.47 | Bklyn | sorry, /var/log or /var/run |
| 17:56.47 | PupenoR | Bklyn: wouldn't it check in 6 months or some mouns ? I am just reverting the counters, not setting it to never check ? Is there some way to check where the counters are ? |
| 17:56.58 | Renfield | stew ps -ef | grep apt does not return any such process. |
| 17:57.03 | Bklyn | PupenoR: yes, my bad I was thinking about the -i |
| 17:57.12 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: when i open this file in nano got only @#$@$ |
| 17:57.23 | itchi | Azar & stew : And? |
| 17:57.24 | Bklyn | Pinkle_Rose: its not ascii text |
| 17:57.31 | Bklyn | Pinkle_Rose: what are you trying to do? |
| 17:57.42 | stew | Renfield: oh, if you still have the installer running, then yes, that is it. sounds like you have an unofficial broken installer, where did you get it? |
| 17:57.48 | dennisharrison | hey guys |
| 17:57.49 | Bklyn | the "last" command might be what you want, but "last session time" isn't very descriptive |
| 17:57.54 | dennisharrison | first time on pure debian here |
| 17:58.03 | Azar | ? what? |
| 17:58.11 | dennisharrison | I am used to getting my kernel-headers package with my kernel |
| 17:58.17 | stew | itchi: http://packages.qa.debian.org/b/boa-constructor.html says it was removed from testing, but maybe it never was |
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| 17:58.20 | PupenoR | Bklyn: ok. Thanks. |
| 17:58.34 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: i add gnome-settings-daemon to ~/.fluxbox/startup and fluxbox failed |
| 17:58.39 | abrotman | dennisharrison: apt-cache search kernel headers |
| 17:58.47 | dennisharrison | thanks |
| 17:58.47 | Bklyn | Pinkle_Rose: ok, then thats someting totally different |
| 17:58.55 | Bklyn | Pinkle_Rose: perhaps ~/.xsession-errors is what you want |
| 17:59.12 | Renfield | stew I got it from /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.18. The last URL. |
| 17:59.18 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: i;ve got error: your last session have less than 10 sec |
| 17:59.43 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: i dont have english language in system |
| 18:00.13 | Bklyn | I think you'd still want to look at ~/.xsession-errors |
| 18:00.27 | Bklyn | Or remove the change you made to your startup script |
| 18:01.04 | Azar | itchi: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=boa-constructor&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
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| 18:01.21 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: i looked there but i dont saw any useful info |
| 18:01.21 | Renfield | stew Is there a way to stop the installer temporarily and then start it up again after running the command? |
| 18:01.53 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: or maybe i dont know is useful |
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| 18:02.29 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: when i start fluxbox as root its start good |
| 18:03.03 | dennisharrison | abrotman, Thanks! thats it :) |
| 18:03.07 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 18:03.11 | itchi | stew Azar : It was remove for i time i remember, that's why i had build one for my own, just these story that got my crazy :-) Heh, sorry for the crazy perturbations i did ;-) |
| 18:03.36 | Azar | itchi, can you please be so kind and tell us again, from the beginning what is your problem? I forgot |
| 18:03.54 | Pinkle_Rose | Bklyn: also when i start gnome as my user name it start good, only floxbox fail |
| 18:04.19 | itchi | Azar: hehe, maybe better to trash it, it's a bit confussing and crazy ;-) |
| 18:04.23 | Bklyn | Pinkle_Rose: sorry, I can't help you |
| 18:04.36 | Azar | itchi, no please, by all means state your problem |
| 18:04.37 | itchi | Azar: Just happy that im not yet crazy :-) |
| 18:04.46 | Ronin | Pinkle_Rose: did you search on google for this? i had this problem once, cant recall the solution, but i know a simple search found it |
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| 18:05.07 | itchi | Azar: okay, gona first pastebin some stuff then |
| 18:05.25 | Azar | yep good idea |
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| 18:05.41 | Pinkle_Rose | Ronin: no, but ill try :) |
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| 18:06.35 | stew | Renfield: i doubt there is a way to stop the installer, you likely need a newer version of the 2.6.18 installer if one is available |
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| 18:07.19 | Pinkle_Rose | Ronin: i found error in my startup file |
| 18:07.24 | itchi | Azar: When i install boa-constructor on Etch i get the following error http://paste.uni.cc/11753 |
| 18:07.51 | cusco | dudes |
| 18:07.56 | Pinkle_Rose | in line with exec [...]fluxbox i have '&' |
| 18:08.01 | cusco | has anybody here put mod_mono to work |
| 18:08.02 | cusco | with apache? |
| 18:08.20 | Pinkle_Rose | anyway thanks |
| 18:08.24 | Azar | so itchi, your installation does not go well, huh? |
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| 18:08.55 | itchi | Azar: My big confussion was that i had repackaged the boa-constructor for my own and had install it. Like it was no more available in Etch. Had use that packaged one for some weeks. Did an apt-get update today and saw that boa-constructor was going to be upgraded. So it looked like it was again available. |
| 18:09.39 | Azar | so itchi did you tried to contact the package maintainer and complain about this issue? |
| 18:09.48 | stew | Azar: what issue? |
| 18:10.14 | stew | Azar: the issue that it is available in etch? |
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| 18:10.23 | stew | Azar: the issue with the syntax errors? |
| 18:10.26 | itchi | Azar: Not yet today, like i had first tell it here, but has go in an weird direction |
| 18:10.30 | Azar | stew about everything.. |
| 18:10.35 | stew | Azar: ? |
| 18:10.44 | stew | Azar: what do you think he should contact the maintainer about? |
| 18:10.57 | Azar | stew itchi by now KNOWS that the package is not in Etch anymore yet he insist on having it |
| 18:11.05 | stew | Azar: the package is in etch |
| 18:11.13 | itchi | Azar: I had send him an email over an week or 2 and he had tell me that he wanted to fix it that same week-end |
| 18:11.14 | Azar | itchi, how did you got the screen you pasted? |
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| 18:11.35 | stew | Azar: there is a bug filed already about the syntax errors, and the package IS in fact in etch |
| 18:11.43 | itchi | Azar: aptitude install boa-constructor |
| 18:11.50 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=boa-constructor&searchon=names&subword=1&version=testing&release=all |
| 18:11.51 | NiCeBoY | hello am getting this error anyone can find asolution for me plz ? Starting S.M.A.R.T. daemon: smartd failed! |
| 18:12.08 | Azar | http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=boa-constructor&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
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| 18:12.36 | Azar | ok let's talk apt-get install or aptitude install, itchi gets errors at installation using aptitude install |
| 18:12.56 | Azar | aptitude install boa-constrictor: http://paste.uni.cc/11753 |
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| 18:13.18 | stew | Azar: pdo is wrong, not aptitude |
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| 18:13.51 | itchi | Azar: Yup, i know, wait, look to the mine |
| 18:13.56 | itchi | slow pastebin's |
| 18:14.24 | Azar | well itchi stew said is the pdo |
| 18:14.37 | Azar | the package is in Etch, aptitude works ok |
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| 18:14.50 | NiCeBoY | anyone can check this error for me plase?? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4644? |
| 18:14.55 | NiCeBoY | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4644 ? |
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| 18:15.19 | itchi | Azar: http://pastebin.ca/261609 So it's been installed from an debian mirror |
| 18:15.38 | Azar | itchi great then it should work |
| 18:15.40 | abrotman | NiCeBoY: check the logs and see why it failed to start |
| 18:15.40 | itchi | Azar: There should be somewhere somethings not yet up to date or so |
| 18:15.56 | NiCeBoY | abrotman in /var/logs? |
| 18:15.56 | itchi | Azar: Yeah, great, just a bit weird to tell here ;-) |
| 18:15.59 | abrotman | yea |
| 18:16.12 | Azar | itchi, tsk tsk, yep is weird |
| 18:16.32 | itchi | !beer Azar & stew |
| 18:16.51 | Ronin | good choice as i understand it dpkg |
| 18:16.52 | Bklyn | !beer |
| 18:16.52 | dpkg | i heard beer is liquid gold mate |
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| 18:17.08 | Bklyn | indeed it is |
| 18:17.13 | Azar | well itchi, you rule, man |
| 18:17.14 | Roey | !calc |
| 18:17.17 | itchi | Azar & stew : Sorry for these confussions ;-) But still need to contact him for that little error there, it been work but gona mail with him tomorrow about it |
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| 18:17.39 | stew | itchi: which error? |
| 18:17.56 | Azar | itchi, expect more like this when you run a testing.. and keep filing bugs |
| 18:18.01 | itchi | stew: http://paste.uni.cc/11748 |
| 18:18.09 | stew | itchi: there is already a bug filed |
| 18:18.15 | stew | itchi: does it cause the package to be unusable? |
| 18:18.19 | itchi | Azar: Yeah i try :-) |
| 18:18.30 | stew | itchi: #399276 |
| 18:18.39 | itchi | Fixing, is not yet so easy as testing :-) |
| 18:19.00 | Azar | well itchi you did a great job so far today, congrats |
| 18:19.36 | itchi | Azar: Hehe, i did not yet so many compared to you and all the other devs and great helpful people here ;-) |
| 18:19.49 | Azar | itchi, not me, I am just a newbie too |
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| 18:20.01 | secher | Ok, phpgroupware in unstable depends on php5.2. There is a but between php5.2 and phpgroupware, in that php5.2 defines a class DateTime, as does phpgroupware, and so consequently they conflict and the configuration fails. Question is, how do I tell apt-get or aptitude to install a version of php /lower/ than 5.2 when I try to instlal phpgroupware? I can install a lower version easily enough, but, when I go to instll phpgroup |
| 18:20.01 | secher | ware, it wants to up it ti 5.2. |
| 18:20.02 | itchi | stew: hhhm, look on the way of solved |
| 18:20.14 | secher | Damnit. I'm going back to epic4. |
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| 18:20.20 | stew | itchi: i don't know what that means |
| 18:20.35 | secher | but when I install phpgroupware, it want to up php to 5.2 |
| 18:20.46 | itchi | stew: I need to examine it more, but i go to look more with that bug reference ;-) |
| 18:20.51 | secher | was the end of my previous post. |
| 18:20.57 | itchi | Good |
| 18:21.11 | secher | s/but/bug/g |
| 18:21.17 | fflush | humm |
| 18:22.12 | CharminTheMoose | can i download the .deb files and the deb files' dependancies of a package that is already installed on my system? |
| 18:22.15 | fflush | can I use qemu user space emulator to run skype for linux , under debian ppc |
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| 18:22.34 | bismark | hi, i have a problem with ""iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 10.128.50.110:22 |
| 18:22.39 | bismark | it's not working |
| 18:22.43 | bismark | any idea? |
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| 18:22.50 | stew | secher: did you check the bts? a bug should be filed against phpgroupware if none already exists |
| 18:22.58 | Azar | CharminTheMoose: you can allways use the magic : aptitude install mypackage myotherpackage mythirdpackage myfourthpackage |
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| 18:23.14 | stew | secher: and if there is a bug there may be a solution attached. if not, you can request an older version of php5 with "apt-get install php5=version" |
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| 18:23.50 | CharminTheMoose | Azar,I'm trying to build a minidistro and i can't be bothered to manually download the packages+their deps |
| 18:23.53 | GillaGal | bind9/2.6 kernel.....acting as a recursive/authoritative server. Queries for hosts in the authoritative zones are instant, queries for hosts, such as google.com, are slow on the initial query. Subsequent queries for the host looked up are fast, as well as other hosts in the domain. but they still aren't nearly as fast as a bind8/2.4 kernel... IPv6 is off.. any ideas? |
| 18:23.55 | stew | CharminTheMoose: what about apt-get -d --reinstall install packagename |
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| 18:23.57 | secher | stew: will check bts, and file bug if necessary. Thanks for the help. |
| 18:24.02 | necroforest | If i'm using debian stable, is there any way to "upgrade" to testing, or a way to set aptitude to use packages from testing? |
| 18:24.24 | rsk | !upgrade |
| 18:24.25 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, upgrade is what keeps your box from getting r00ted, or what you do with apt-get. Do an apt-get update first, and then an apt-get upgrade. ask me about 'security' |
| 18:24.40 | rsk | !dist-upgrade |
| 18:24.40 | dpkg | ask me about 'woody->sarge' or 'sarge->etch', or a parameter to apt-get which will do intelligent dependency handling (as opposed to "upgrade"). It will install new packages and clobber old ones as needed. Do not blindly use dist-upgrade. man apt-get, and read carefully. see <why not dist upgrade> |
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| 18:25.11 | widrone | !tell widrone about sarge->etch |
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| 18:25.22 | Geemark | i'm using svnmailer under Debian, but the special characters (like the ===) in the mails are double-encoded - what could be wrong? |
| 18:25.38 | necroforest | thank you :P |
| 18:25.41 | dragan1 | i have a problem on sarge. it seems to be impossible to install ssmtp and sendmail at the same time. any ideas why ?? |
| 18:25.44 | Azar | rsk are you going to upgrade to Etch? |
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| 18:25.55 | blondie | Geemark: what character is === meant to be? |
| 18:25.55 | dennisharrison | how can I tell if my kernel has CRC-CCITT enabled ? |
| 18:26.01 | rsk | no just tipping necroforest |
| 18:26.24 | Azar | rsk: http://www.debian.org/releases/testing/i386/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html |
| 18:26.37 | Geemark | blondie, that's just three "=" signs :P, they become =3D=3D=3D |
| 18:26.48 | blondie | oh |
| 18:27.15 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:27.30 | Geemark | ? |
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| 18:27.46 | Geemark | also, danish letters are escaped |
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| 18:28.01 | Geemark | the funny thing is, that without changing the configs, it went from ok to broken |
| 18:28.05 | Danielss89 | which fpt program should i install using apache? |
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| 18:28.09 | Geemark | possibly an apt-get upgrade at some point |
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| 18:28.16 | Danielss89 | which ftp program do you recommend` |
| 18:28.23 | ehazlett | i am trying to build a .deb package from source. the whole thing (dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -us -uc) works, but the deb only contains /usr/share/doc... |
| 18:28.27 | blondie | !ftp |
| 18:28.27 | dpkg | it has been said that ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
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| 18:30.09 | dennisharrison | where can I see what all my kernel options are ? |
| 18:30.20 | dennisharrison | or does anyone know if I would have CRC-CCITT enabled already ? |
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| 18:30.47 | gniou | s |
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| 18:31.39 | stew | dennisharrison: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 18:33.20 | dennisharrison | stew: command not found |
| 18:33.29 | dennisharrison | or should I just view it ? |
| 18:33.31 | zimnyx | Using dpkg-reconfigure locales i choose bg_BG.UTF-8 and rebooted the system. In /etc/environment i got "LANG="bg_BG.UTF-8". How is it possible that after reboot, `locale' output is: "LANG=bg_BG.UTF-8 \n LC_ALL=pl_PL.UTF-8" ? Where this pl_PL.UTF-8 get from? |
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| 18:34.44 | stew | dennisharrison: what is a file that contains your kernel config |
| 18:34.56 | abrotman | that is a file |
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| 18:35.15 | dennisharrison | got it |
| 18:35.16 | dennisharrison | thanks :) |
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| 18:36.05 | dennisharrison | ok so I don't have CRC-CCITT |
| 18:36.13 | dennisharrison | and im not .. really sure what it is |
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| 18:36.25 | dennisharrison | how do I I guess ... add it as a module or recompile the kernel with it ? |
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| 18:36.39 | dennisharrison | and I would REALLY rather not get into custom kernel land... but oh well |
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| 18:37.08 | stew | dennisharrison: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 18:39.41 | dennisharrison | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 18:39.54 | stew | dennisharrison: then you have it enabled as a module already |
| 18:39.58 | abrotman | if you don't know what CRC-CCITT is .. why do you need it ? |
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| 18:40.23 | dennisharrison | it is for the zaptel drivers for tdm cards to use with asterisk |
| 18:40.37 | dennisharrison | when compiling on 2.6 it says I need crc-ccitt enabled |
| 18:40.40 | dennisharrison | but thats all it says |
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| 18:41.56 | dennisharrison | fun... huh? ;p |
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| 18:42.29 | heh_v_water | wow |
| 18:42.30 | heh_v_water | problem |
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| 18:42.35 | Varange | hi all |
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| 18:42.58 | heh_v_water | oops 2.6.17 |
| 18:42.59 | dennisharrison | heh_v_water thanks I will try it then |
| 18:43.00 | jelly | dennisharrison: what else should it say, that's the name of the module. CONFIG_CRC_CCITT is the option. |
| 18:43.04 | Varange | webmin has blocked me out after three unsuccessful attempts at authentication. how to fix that? |
| 18:43.12 | dennisharrison | jelly ok thank you |
| 18:43.17 | heh_v_water | dennisharrison, are you using module assistant? |
| 18:43.24 | dennisharrison | heh_v_water negative |
| 18:43.36 | dennisharrison | whats module assistant ? :) |
| 18:43.39 | jelly | dennisharrison: and like stew says, it's already there in linux-image-2.6.17-2-686 |
| 18:43.41 | heh_v_water | dennisharrison, I compile dmine with m-a |
| 18:44.01 | dennisharrison | awesome |
| 18:44.11 | thelostbutler | any ruby experts here ? i haven't gotten any help from #ruby. can some one tell me the difference between doing gem install rails-1.1.6.gem vs using rails-1.1.6.tgz from http://rubyforge.org/frs/?group_id=307. i would appreciate some help on this, as i am pretty much clueless on why i am getting some errors like http://rafb.net/paste/results/3G5GNv86.html . tgz file doesn't have any instructions to install in the README. i am trying this on a |
| 18:44.12 | thelostbutler | debian system running sarge which behind a firewall and can't access the net |
| 18:44.12 | jelly | !tell dennisharrison about m-a |
| 18:44.53 | dennisharrison | got it |
| 18:44.56 | dennisharrison | appreciate the help guys |
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| 18:45.36 | thelostbutler | would appreciate any help on this |
| 18:46.01 | foxure | Hello. I there a easy way to execute a command thats need root privilieges in php? |
| 18:46.13 | treetop | ./configure && nake && make install .probaly =) |
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| 18:46.33 | treetop | make .. |
| 18:46.49 | treetop | rimes on cake.. |
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| 18:47.27 | CharminTheMoose | can someone give me a pointer on how to get pam set up on this mini distro i'm making? |
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| 18:47.42 | CharminTheMoose | I don't know what to copy.... |
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| 18:49.22 | Raging_Heikki | I need mods X,Y and Z compiled to Apache. Some day I might need also W and Q. Can that be done via debs or do I compile by hand? |
| 18:49.50 | stew | Raging_Heikki: can you tell us what X, Y, and Z are? |
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| 18:50.11 | itchi | stew: At my knowledges about python, the errors i get is because in the source code of the files there are some return statements out of an functions. That's looks not usual at my eyes and with my less knowledges about it |
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| 18:50.52 | Raging_Heikki | stew, I mean to ask how can I choose what is compiled in packages installed by deb? |
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| 18:51.49 | stew | Raging_Heikki: you can't without recompiling it yourself, /msg dpkg debian/rules |
| 18:51.57 | stew | Raging_Heikki: but what modules are you talking about? |
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| 18:52.25 | Anyone | !moto4lin sarge |
| 18:52.41 | Anyone | How do I find a backport of moto4lin 4 Sarge? |
| 18:52.45 | clars | after I reboot and access the box by ssh (as a user) Then I can not make any command in ssh_seession (only "cd" ) what did I wrong? |
| 18:52.47 | Xnerd | Hi everyone. want to use my genius videocam express 2 under debian unstable. triyng to install driver (ov511) using module-assitant. But it replies an error stating can´t find kernel-headers. But i've installed them. What should i do? |
| 18:52.58 | Raging_Heikki | can't remember all, atleast mod_rewrite in apache and mbstring, xsl and oracle in php |
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| 18:53.16 | Anyone | How do I find a backport of moto4lin 4 Sarge? |
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| 18:53.26 | abrotman | isn't there a m-a a-i zaptel ? |
| 18:53.30 | Anyone | How do I find a backport of moto4lin for Sarge? (even) |
| 18:53.32 | abrotman | dennisharrison: ^^ |
| 18:53.35 | itchi | Anyone: Look on the backports site?? |
| 18:53.45 | Anyone | !backports |
| 18:53.45 | dpkg | backports is probably a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 18:53.48 | dennisharrison | abrotman yes I am sure there is |
| 18:53.51 | Anyone | itchi, thanks. |
| 18:53.55 | treetop | Xnerd maby your kernel and your installed headers missmatch |
| 18:53.56 | abrotman | dennisharrison: so what's wrong with that ? |
| 18:54.06 | dennisharrison | abrotman however I need the latest version from svn for the tdm cards I have to sound correct |
| 18:54.21 | dennisharrison | abrotman and so my timers will be correct for on hold music and such |
| 18:54.43 | Xnerd | treetop: how can i check that? uname -r states 2.6.18-6 |
| 18:55.04 | itchi | stew: I dunno if you are interested in the trouble, this one looks good info http://lwn.net/Articles/190176/ |
| 18:56.39 | abrotman | hold music? |
| 18:56.44 | treetop | Xnerd sec never used debian.. don't know where the dir is.. let me start a box.. |
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| 18:57.02 | Bitz_ | is there another tool other than hdparm for testing drive performance? |
| 18:57.04 | abrotman | cat /proc/version |
| 18:57.08 | abrotman | Bitz_: bonnie |
| 18:57.36 | abrotman | !info bonnie++ sarge |
| 18:57.40 | dpkg | bonnie++: (Hard drive bottleneck testing benchmark suite.), section utils, is optional. Version: 1.03a (sarge), Packaged size: 38 kB, Installed size: 99 kB |
| 18:57.59 | treetop | Xnerd . /usr/src/modules ... whats the version there ? |
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| 18:58.56 | abrotman | Xnerd: paste the actual error please |
| 18:58.58 | abrotman | !paster |
| 18:58.58 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:59.07 | stew | Xnerd: when you comiled your kernel, did you create a -headers directory? is this the machine where you compiled your kernel? does the source tree still exist? |
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| 18:59.20 | Anyone | !backports |
| 18:59.20 | treetop | Do debian have yum ? |
| 18:59.20 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 18:59.24 | Anyone | !yum |
| 18:59.35 | rvsjoen | heh |
| 18:59.36 | Azar | hahahahaha |
| 18:59.39 | treetop | lol |
| 18:59.44 | Eulex | ewww |
| 18:59.45 | stew | treetop: yes |
| 18:59.48 | treetop | well, what then, apt-get? |
| 19:00.04 | Xnerd | stew: just did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 19:00.08 | treetop | Xnerd > yum update kernel |
| 19:00.12 | |DuReX| | hdj: 9223512776500084864 sectors (72058698398 MB) w/16384KiB Cache, CHS=65535/255/63 |
| 19:00.13 | |DuReX| | pfft :§ |
| 19:00.21 | stew | treetop: stop, debian doesn't use yum for package management |
| 19:00.23 | rvsjoen | I prefer aptitude |
| 19:00.24 | abrotman | treetop: please don't do that |
| 19:00.25 | treetop | oo |
| 19:00.34 | Azar | treetop try http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages << use search at the bottom of the page |
| 19:00.37 | treetop | What do I know.. never used debian, sorry =) |
| 19:00.44 | stew | Xnerd: no, your kernel is a custom one if uname -r says "2.6.18-6" or you aren't running debian |
| 19:00.49 | abrotman | treetop: then stop answering |
| 19:00.56 | Spacemenn | pear-db and php5 under debian sarge, how? |
| 19:00.57 | Azar | err.. |
| 19:01.01 | treetop | I believe I know what his error is |
| 19:01.12 | Anyone | abrotman: Why can't he talk? |
| 19:01.15 | treetop | kernel doesn't match the installed headers |
| 19:01.19 | Xnerd | stew: debian alright |
| 19:01.20 | abrotman | Anyone: because he doesn't know what he's talking about? |
| 19:01.21 | Azar | treetop: if you want to use Debian: debian uses aptitude instead |
| 19:01.27 | stew | Xnerd: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:01.29 | Anyone | abrotman, thats what he said? |
| 19:01.46 | Anyone | oh |
| 19:01.46 | abrotman | that's what i'm saying |
| 19:01.47 | Anyone | ... |
| 19:01.53 | treetop | sorry, I'll get debian before I try and help people then.. :) |
| 19:01.54 | Xnerd | stew 2.6.18-2-686 |
| 19:02.05 | Anyone | treetop, sounds like a solid plan! :) |
| 19:02.12 | stew | Xnerd: aptitude install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 19:02.29 | Anyone | abrotman, sorry, I am a very very confused man. |
| 19:02.30 | stew | Xnerd: or actually, just run "m-a prepare" |
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| 19:03.00 | abrotman | Anyone: seems everyone from .dk is ... |
| 19:03.08 | Anyone | How do I find a backport of moto4lin. |
| 19:03.26 | stew | Anyone: checked backports.org? |
| 19:03.30 | abrotman | !tell Anyone about backports |
| 19:03.32 | Anyone | abrotman, nah .. we're just incomprehendable for most US citizens, for some reason or another. |
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| 19:03.43 | abrotman | you mean english speaking people ? |
| 19:04.24 | Anyone | abrotman, both the hispanic, the english, the french, the isrish, the jewish and the chinese US citizens. |
| 19:04.31 | abrotman | whatever |
| 19:04.41 | Anyone | abrotman, that was danish humor for you again. ;-) |
| 19:05.03 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: i hate everyone just the same :) |
| 19:05.10 | Phated | Anyone: Do you mean the Chinese can't speak English? |
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| 19:05.11 | SerajewelKS | abrotman: i notice =) |
| 19:05.15 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Wrong target, luv. |
| 19:05.25 | Phated | abrotman: Except me! :( |
| 19:05.26 | SerajewelKS | luv? O_o |
| 19:05.27 | Anyone | abrotman, to us its very common so its hard to understand why foreign people have such a hard time with it .. take the muhammed drawings for instance .. |
| 19:05.33 | abrotman | Phated: MWAH! |
| 19:05.38 | Phated | SerajewelKS: It's an English thing. |
| 19:05.43 | abrotman | Anyone: you can drop it now .. i really don't give a shit |
| 19:05.44 | Anyone | Phated, some can even sing english. |
| 19:05.55 | Phated | Anyone: Horrors. |
| 19:05.56 | Varange | me again. It seems i'm running an ancient kernel here (2.4). How do I upgrade it? |
| 19:05.59 | treetop | Anyone, can you hehe |
| 19:06.16 | SerajewelKS | Phated: yes well i just hope a male isn't calling me "luv" :P |
| 19:06.23 | abrotman | Varange: which version of debian ? |
| 19:06.28 | stew | Varange: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:06.32 | Varange | abrotman, sarge |
| 19:06.41 | Varange | 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 19:06.43 | stew | Varange: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 19:06.47 | abrotman | Varange: apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 .. pick the one for your CPU and install it |
| 19:06.48 | Varange | and it's a 686 |
| 19:06.57 | Varange | hi again stew |
| 19:06.59 | abrotman | so use kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 19:07.04 | Xnerd | stew: synaptic marks linux-headers-2.6.18-2 are installed. after apt-get dist-upgrade i´ve installed gdm, gnome and xfce. Now i started aptitude with the instruction u mentioned. it is going to erase every kde app!!!! :( |
| 19:07.04 | Phated | SerajewelKS: Er... yeah, whatever, I'm female, but it's not serious anyway <shrug> |
| 19:07.40 | SerajewelKS | Phated: haha, okay |
| 19:07.41 | stew | Xnerd: please pastebin the actual output of aptitude |
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| 19:07.48 | Anyone | Phated, I bet you're chinese or asian as well? |
| 19:08.04 | Varange | ok thanks, downloading |
| 19:08.06 | Phated | Oh, for fuck's sake, I'm damned if I say yes, and lying if I say no. |
| 19:08.31 | Anyone | Phated, don't answer then, I won't take offence. ;-) |
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| 19:08.40 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:08.56 | Anyone | OK, it seems that there is no backport of moto4lin. |
| 19:08.57 | Phated | But I'm not going to apologise for being a race you don't believe I am, so yes, I am, in fact, Chinese. |
| 19:09.10 | abrotman | Anyone: then make your own |
| 19:09.23 | Anyone | Phated, well, if we had to excuse for that kinda thing, we'd be quite busy, no? |
| 19:09.24 | stew | Anyone: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:09.31 | Anyone | stew: Oh thanks! |
| 19:09.42 | abrotman | which i already told him about .. but oh well |
| 19:09.56 | Anyone | abrotman, my bad - sorry. |
| 19:09.56 | Phated | Anyone: And having to carry this conversation out is doing -what- instead, precisely? |
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| 19:10.23 | Anyone | Phated, dunno, so I'll scoot .. have a nice evening (or whatever is fitting for your timezone) :-) |
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| 19:11.15 | abrotman | don't get your antlers stuck |
| 19:11.41 | Azar | well at my first installation I cried.. |
| 19:11.41 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:grrr.PAM is annoying me so much.... |
| 19:11.56 | Flimzy | What's the best way to set up a stock ticker applet in KDE? Can knewsticker be set up for that, or is there something else I should use? |
| 19:12.28 | abrotman | Flimzy: apt-cache search stock ticker ? |
| 19:12.34 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: dump her? |
| 19:12.36 | Flimzy | abrotman: tried that. |
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| 19:12.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: do you know an artist? |
| 19:12.50 | Flimzy | there's a gnome app |
| 19:12.55 | Flimzy | nothing for kde other than knewsticker |
| 19:12.58 | Azar | :) hi mr tarzeau :) |
| 19:13.00 | Mazingaro | please |
| 19:13.05 | Flimzy | maybe the gnome app will work tho... *shrug* |
| 19:13.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: to do what? |
| 19:13.11 | Raging_Heikki | are deb-packages usually built with all compile options? |
| 19:13.12 | abrotman | Flimzy: gnome rules! |
| 19:13.15 | CharminTheMoose | abrotman:Pluggable Authentication Modules and if i were to dump her i wouldn't be able to login...... |
| 19:13.15 | tarzeau | abrotman: posters like the s-f* ones at http://gnu.ethz.ch/art/ |
| 19:13.17 | Mazingaro | I've got a problem with an spca5xx cam |
| 19:13.20 | abrotman | Raging_Heikki: all ? |
| 19:13.21 | tarzeau | good evening mr Azar |
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| 19:13.24 | abrotman | tarzeau: nerp |
| 19:13.25 | Flimzy | abrotman: Sure. But will gnome apps work in kde? :) |
| 19:13.32 | tarzeau | abrotman: you didn't even look, have you? |
| 19:13.34 | abrotman | CharminTheMoose: i know what PAM is |
| 19:13.38 | Xnerd | stew: http://phpfi.com/179893 |
| 19:13.44 | Raging_Heikki | abrotman, as in all of ./configure --enable-this-and-that |
| 19:13.46 | tarzeau | Flimzy: you know what will happen? |
| 19:13.47 | Mazingaro | no /dev/video0 alas there are videodev and spca5xx modules loaded |
| 19:13.55 | CharminTheMoose | anywho |
| 19:14.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i said no |
| 19:14.15 | tarzeau | Flimzy: gnustep will suddenly become cool, when gnome dies |
| 19:14.16 | abrotman | Raging_Heikki: check the rules file in the source package .. why do you care? |
| 19:14.19 | tarzeau | abrotman: why not? |
| 19:14.29 | abrotman | tarzeau: why don't i know an artist ? |
| 19:14.31 | stew | Xnerd: what version of debian are you running? |
| 19:14.32 | Flimzy | tarzeau: ?? |
| 19:14.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: no, why you didn't even look at the posters |
| 19:14.45 | abrotman | i diud look! |
| 19:14.48 | Xnerd | stew: unstable |
| 19:14.57 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you not paint? |
| 19:14.58 | abrotman | THE BAD SEED .. WILL I EVER FIND LOVE! |
| 19:14.58 | stew | Xnerd: how is it that you still have xserver-xfree86 installed? |
| 19:15.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: i prefer sketching myself |
| 19:15.07 | Raging_Heikki | abrotman, if I'm for example installing a LAMP server it would be nice to know what's in the out-of-box |
| 19:15.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: WAS I ONLY HIS PLAY THING? |
| 19:15.16 | Flimzy | tarzeau: What does that have to do with a stock ticker? |
| 19:15.22 | abrotman | Raging_Heikki: many things are modularized |
| 19:15.30 | simonrvn | BLEH |
| 19:15.44 | abrotman | hi simon |
| 19:15.46 | stew | Xnerd: it looks like you are running a mix of sarge/unstable you should dist-upgrade to testing or unstable |
| 19:15.46 | tarzeau | Flimzy: nothing, i'm just talking (for recreational purposes, and to get my thoughts shifted), it's evening |
| 19:15.53 | simonrvn | hello abrotman |
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| 19:15.55 | stew | Xnerd: what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 19:15.56 | Xnerd | stew: dunno for sure. but i´ve configured xorg!!??? |
| 19:16.05 | Flimzy | tarzeau: I see. Well I hope it's not important that I understand what you're talking about :P |
| 19:16.06 | Azar | tarzeau are you looking for an artist to play on your games? |
| 19:16.21 | tarzeau | Azar: nah :). you addict! |
| 19:16.23 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i have a question about port forwarding. system B is behind a firewall and cannot access the net. system A is connected to the net and system B is reachable from A. system A also runs a http proxy. i need system B to get packages from the net. i was told that with ssh forwarding i can get system B to use http proxy, but i am not quite sure how to go about it. i would appreciate some help . i am using debian sarge |
| 19:16.31 | tarzeau | Flimzy: not at all |
| 19:16.45 | Azar | :) I already made my christmas wish: tarzeau's game with Madonna's voice |
| 19:17.10 | tarzeau | Azar: i'd rather have katja's bed, and her playing the piano |
| 19:17.13 | stew | Xnerd: in any case. i'd recommend either using the aptitude frontend to sort these dependencies out, or seeing if "apt-get install" doesn't want to remove all of those pacakges |
| 19:17.20 | Azar | hehe |
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| 19:17.37 | simonrvn | http://www.innercitypress.com/3rdcomm112806.html |
| 19:17.57 | Xnerd | stew: thanks man |
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| 19:18.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: you know what's frustrating, at noon when i went to eat |
| 19:18.03 | lux` | hi all |
| 19:18.10 | abrotman | tarzeau: everyone is drunk ? |
| 19:18.12 | lux` | i must know where does apt-get save the packages list |
| 19:18.31 | tarzeau | i've met the 2nd guy to pay 5 numbered numbers of money in swiss francs (like US$) to work on gnustep (for on windows) |
| 19:18.44 | A300 | How do I allow a user to access a 2nd hd? (i know how to allow access to files/directories on the hd, but not the "root" of the hd (/mnt/100)) |
| 19:18.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: there's no alcohol on the hill, where i work |
| 19:18.59 | CharminTheMoose | how can i make my mini distro umsdos enabled? |
| 19:19.03 | tarzeau | Azar: there's one, but it's horrible. try brutalchess instead |
| 19:19.10 | lux` | where does apt-get save the packages's list? |
| 19:19.13 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: what's the url of your mini distro? |
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| 19:19.25 | tarzeau | lux`: somewhere in /var |
| 19:19.29 | lux` | um k |
| 19:19.31 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:whaddya mean? |
| 19:19.37 | A300 | var apt cach i think |
| 19:19.37 | Azar | tarzeau: yeah I tried that one... and luckily with the nvidia-glx install it died :) |
| 19:19.43 | stew | lux`: which list? |
| 19:19.49 | lux` | of all packages |
| 19:19.55 | abrotman | tarzeau: oh well |
| 19:19.57 | lux` | of dpkg |
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| 19:20.10 | tarzeau | Azar: how's the winning rate? |
| 19:20.13 | thelostbutler | lux`: man apt-get at the bottom of the man page is the list of directories that apt-get uses |
| 19:20.14 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:I don't have an url for it... |
| 19:20.14 | stew | lux`: /var/lib/apt/lists |
| 19:20.22 | lux` | thx |
| 19:20.23 | tarzeau | abrotman: SINFUL PLEASURES |
| 19:20.31 | CharminTheMoose | though i could put it onto my server or something...... |
| 19:20.33 | stew | lux`: what what do you mean "of dpkg"? |
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| 19:20.43 | Azar | tarzeau: on the gammon, well the proggie is tough 4-2 for the bot |
| 19:20.44 | lux` | nothing i mean of apt ;) |
| 19:20.49 | lux` | that's fine let me check |
| 19:20.50 | Xnerd | stew: how do i check libc6 version? (sorry i´m a noob) |
| 19:20.53 | lux` | and remove a package.. |
| 19:20.53 | stew | lux`: well there are lots of possible lists |
| 19:20.59 | tarzeau | Azar: i meant chess |
| 19:21.04 | simonrvn | !version |
| 19:21.04 | Seb__ | sup y'all |
| 19:21.04 | stew | Xnerd: you should probably not be running unstable. "dpkg -l libc6" |
| 19:21.04 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 19:21.05 | lux` | i must remove a package from dpkg/apt-get |
| 19:21.10 | Azar | tarzeau: never tried chess... |
| 19:21.10 | Seb__ | how do i display this type of image: Syslinux SLL16 image data, 640 x 400 ? |
| 19:21.20 | lux` | because it's bugged |
| 19:21.23 | stew | lux`: a package you have installed? |
| 19:21.28 | lux` | and i can't neither remove it |
| 19:21.30 | lux` | yes it's installed |
| 19:21.31 | stew | lux`: apt-get remove packagename |
| 19:21.33 | tarzeau | Azar: had you seen pixars' the game (chess)? |
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| 19:21.39 | lux` | stew, i can't :> |
| 19:21.39 | stew | lux`: if you have an error with that, show us the error |
| 19:21.40 | simonrvn | Seb__: try with display, from imagemagick |
| 19:21.41 | abrotman | !ity |
| 19:21.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ity is french |
| 19:21.42 | abrotman | !it |
| 19:21.43 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 19:21.49 | stew | lux`: put the output of that command into a pastebin: /msg dpkg paste |
| 19:21.50 | Azar | tarzeau: no but I took note of it, I will try it |
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| 19:22.01 | lux` | ok wait a sec stew |
| 19:22.05 | lux` | rafb is ok |
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| 19:22.11 | tarzeau | Seb__: try feh instead |
| 19:22.19 | tarzeau | simonrvn: display is so horribly slow |
| 19:22.24 | simonrvn | ohnoz |
| 19:22.36 | tarzeau | Seb__: oh wait, you want to convert that. isolinux boot splash? |
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| 19:22.58 | tarzeau | irc is good to let girls wait |
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| 19:24.25 | lux` | stew, http://nopaste.snit.ch:8001/8870 |
| 19:24.40 | tarzeau | lux`: vo welem kantoenli? |
| 19:24.50 | tarzeau | where's the compose key by default? is there any? |
| 19:24.50 | lux` | what's that :)? |
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| 19:24.58 | abrotman | hey look .. python is broken |
| 19:25.04 | lux` | geh no it's not |
| 19:25.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: he appears to be italian .. not swiss |
| 19:25.08 | tarzeau | lux`: oh you just use the .ch address because it's practical |
| 19:25.12 | lux` | pycentral is terribly broke |
| 19:25.18 | lux` | yes tarzeau |
| 19:25.18 | tarzeau | abrotman: he used a .ch address |
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| 19:25.20 | abrotman | it's python-central |
| 19:25.27 | RvGaTe | Anyone here uses XFCE? If so, could you create a screenshot on how it looks like while you are working... ? (im thinking about using it, but i'm not sure yet) |
| 19:25.27 | lux` | ops ye |
| 19:25.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: hostmask is .it |
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| 19:25.34 | lux` | it gave me errors a lots of time.. |
| 19:25.35 | tarzeau | abrotman: i didn't care to check |
| 19:25.44 | abrotman | and his errors look italian too :) |
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| 19:25.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i think the debstats.dontexist.org is wrong |
| 19:25.53 | lux` | gr :P |
| 19:26.04 | stew | lux`: did you manually remove /usr/bin/python? does /usr/bin/python exist? |
| 19:26.04 | lux` | stew, no way? |
| 19:26.09 | abrotman | tarzeau: why? |
| 19:26.13 | stew | lux`: you should not be using --force options |
| 19:26.14 | lux` | uhm yea but it's python 2.5 |
| 19:26.23 | lux` | i should sometimes |
| 19:26.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: talk to sussudio .. not me |
| 19:26.28 | Xnerd | stew: http://phpfi.com/179900 |
| 19:26.30 | lux` | it saved my linux more times |
| 19:26.31 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't want to be on place 10. it's not possible that i'm on irc so much |
| 19:26.37 | stew | lux`: no, you shouldn't |
| 19:26.40 | tarzeau | abrotman: and i tried talking to him, no reaction |
| 19:26.45 | lux` | uhm yea so what should i do now? |
| 19:26.47 | stew | lux`: does /usr/bin/python exist? is it a symlink? |
| 19:26.53 | lux` | uch |
| 19:26.57 | lux` | wait it's i think |
| 19:26.59 | lux` | a symlink :) |
| 19:27.01 | lux` | let me check |
| 19:27.14 | stew | lux`: what is the output of "readlink -f /usr/bin/python" ? |
| 19:27.27 | abrotman | tarzeau: maybe he's ignoring you |
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| 19:27.36 | lux` | i just replaced it with python2.5 |
| 19:27.36 | tarzeau | abrotman: particularly me? i doubt |
| 19:27.37 | lux` | let me check now |
| 19:27.53 | lux` | try* |
| 19:27.53 | stew | lux`: you shouldn't mess with that symlink |
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| 19:28.20 | lux` | apt-get -f install is re-installing it wait |
| 19:28.23 | CharminTheMoose | how can i make my mini distro umsdos enabled? |
| 19:28.29 | lux` | same error stealth |
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| 19:28.30 | lux` | *stew |
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| 19:28.34 | stew | lux`: what is the output of "readlink -f /usr/bin/python" ? |
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| 19:28.40 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: is it debian based? |
| 19:28.45 | lux` | it's not a symlink |
| 19:28.45 | lux` | lux@lux-desktop:~$ readlink -f /usr/bin/python |
| 19:28.45 | lux` | /usr/bin/python |
| 19:28.49 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: built how? using make-live? |
| 19:28.49 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:yup |
| 19:29.06 | CharminTheMoose | copying all the files/libs manually |
| 19:29.20 | stew | lux`: so you overwrote debian's python with python 2.5? no wonder pycentral is broken |
| 19:29.22 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: can i download it? |
| 19:29.47 | lux` | uhm i use ubuntu btw i asked here because i just needed to know how to ignore it |
| 19:29.49 | lux` | and yes i did |
| 19:29.52 | lux` | it was 2.4.x |
| 19:29.58 | CharminTheMoose | well,it's no where near complete and yo gotta run it on an ext2 partition |
| 19:30.03 | lux` | and i like more 2.5 speed than 2.4 |
| 19:30.15 | lux` | is it a problem? |
| 19:30.15 | stew | lux`: rm /usr/bin/python ; ln -s /usr/bin/python2.4 /usr/bin/python ; <- will restore the symlink |
| 19:30.21 | lux` | uhm yea kk |
| 19:30.26 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: i've got an ext2 partition. what's special about it? |
| 19:30.29 | stew | lux`: yes. you can't change that symlink and expect pycentral to work |
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| 19:30.48 | stew | lux`: oh, for ubuntu questions, please go to #ubuntu, i have no idea about their python policies |
| 19:31.03 | lux` | dpkg: errore processando python-zodb (--remove): |
| 19:31.03 | lux` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.03 | lux` | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:31.04 | lux` | terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::logic_error' |
| 19:31.04 | lux` | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:31.05 | abrotman | kick him in the head! |
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| 19:31.13 | simonrvn | bonk |
| 19:31.16 | lux` | soz for the paste |
| 19:31.22 | lux` | now i go to ubuntu and thx for help stew |
| 19:31.28 | lux` | ^_^" |
| 19:31.32 | lux` | let's hope bye |
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| 19:31.44 | h3sp4wn | tarzeau: Do you know by chance if debian/kfreebsd has the newbus code in it (or ideally the xen domU patches from the freebsd perforce repository) |
| 19:31.51 | h3sp4wn | (someone said you would know) |
| 19:31.59 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: no but you can ask in #gnu-kbsd |
| 19:32.20 | tarzeau | h3sp4wn: i don't even know what newbus is |
| 19:32.36 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau: http://downstairscomputer.homelinux.net:81/YALD |
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| 19:33.26 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you help to fix #400051 |
| 19:33.33 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: so small, it can't have nethack |
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| 19:33.49 | abrotman | !dbugs 400051 |
| 19:33.52 | dpkg | #400051:G[antigravitaattori] antigravitaattori: Segfault attempting to start; fail to load texture; Thu, 23 Nov 2006 17:18:07 UTC |
| 19:34.05 | CharminTheMoose | like i said,it's very very VERY incomplete |
| 19:34.20 | blondie | iamtheobject: fix it :O |
| 19:35.12 | RvGaTe | There is something wrong in dpkg reply on "Etch": "need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or fo" the link is followed directly by a "," and it gets applied to the url... when i right-click and open the url in the browser, i get a 404 becouse of the ","... just letting you guys know |
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| 19:35.46 | Vasily | ' |
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| 19:36.01 | Vasily | sorry, didn't meant to type that |
| 19:36.02 | Phated | <shrug> so change it. |
| 19:37.22 | Phated | RvGaTe: So change it. |
| 19:37.38 | RvGaTe | Phated, i cant or i dont know how |
| 19:37.55 | Phated | Mmkay. |
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| 19:37.59 | SkareCrow | what would happen if i did "umount /" |
| 19:38.00 | Phated | !etch |
| 19:38.00 | dpkg | somebody said etch was the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer, or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
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| 19:38.14 | blondie | SkareCrow: it wouldn't let you |
| 19:38.20 | RvGaTe | Phated, i mean i cant edit the dpkg's reply... :P |
| 19:38.23 | SkareCrow | alright, thanks |
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| 19:38.30 | blondie | TIAS :P |
| 19:38.31 | Phated | RvGaTe: Shush. |
| 19:38.39 | jovans | hello guys i have massive problems with my alsa and oss i had try all possible works and search with google and follow wiki etc. but nothing works properly |
| 19:38.44 | jovans | can everybody help me |
| 19:38.46 | Phated | dpkg: etch =~ s/etch\/./etch\// |
| 19:39.02 | Phated | Bah. |
| 19:39.09 | Phated | dpkg: etch =~ s:etch\/.:etch\/: |
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| 19:39.31 | simonrvn | don't think you need to escape the / |
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| 19:39.41 | Phated | Yeh, just noticed. msg now. |
| 19:39.53 | simonrvn | :) |
| 19:39.55 | SkareCrow | what would happen if i set up a cron job to umount / while no one is logged in? |
| 19:40.11 | simonrvn | and why would you do that? |
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| 19:40.17 | SkareCrow | would it still say device is busy? |
| 19:40.26 | simonrvn | cron daemon would still keep it busy... |
| 19:40.36 | SkareCrow | ahh, kk :) |
| 19:40.55 | simonrvn | try it |
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| 19:41.07 | SkareCrow | one more question. what would happen if i removed /dev/hba1 from my /etc/fstab and rebooted |
| 19:41.08 | simonrvn | go single user, then start up cron, and check lsof |
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| 19:41.28 | simonrvn | wouldn't use it |
| 19:41.28 | Phated | !etch |
| 19:41.28 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer or for screenshots: http://www.debianadmin.com/debian-etch-beta3-graphical-mode-installation-with-screenshots.html |
| 19:41.31 | Phated | RvGaTe: Happy? |
| 19:41.43 | RvGaTe | Phated, very :) |
| 19:41.55 | Phated | Now go somewhat figure out how to do it. |
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| 19:42.14 | Phated | simonrvn: Yeh, that was going to be the next thing, but feh. |
| 19:42.45 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 19:42.54 | Phated | (i.e. sings Flashdance while tapdancing) |
| 19:43.04 | simonrvn | NO PLEASE |
| 19:43.07 | SkareCrow | but all the files and stuff are on /dev/hda - if i were to remove /dev/hda1 from my /etc/fstab then it wouldnt mount my hard drive, would my computer not boot? |
| 19:43.12 | itchi | stew: To resume, there is an new rule we need to follow to package Python applications. Looks like boa-constructor still not follow that new rule. If i have been understand the diff sources |
| 19:43.36 | simonrvn | SkareCrow: if that partition os your / yes it wouldn't boot very well |
| 19:43.38 | Phated | o/~ What a feeeelin' o/~ |
| 19:43.39 | simonrvn | is* |
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| 19:43.55 | SkareCrow | very well, meaning it would boot? |
| 19:43.58 | simonrvn | damn, too late, it's in my head now |
| 19:43.59 | Phated | Heheh. |
| 19:44.05 | simonrvn | re-read |
| 19:44.15 | Phated | Hehehhehehehe. |
| 19:44.26 | simonrvn | key words "wouldn't boot very well" |
| 19:44.38 | stew | itchi: boa-constructor does follow the newer python policy, you can tell becuase it depends on python-support |
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| 19:45.06 | itchi | stew: Looks like i have miss somethings :-/ |
| 19:45.29 | SkareCrow | but what do you mean... its not going to boot at all, its going to give out errors, or it will find it itself |
| 19:46.01 | Phated | SkareCrow: Look, if it can't find /, it'll die halfway through init. |
| 19:46.02 | simonrvn | SkareCrow: think of it this way: remove the floor from your house, the first floor, and what would happen? |
| 19:46.05 | CharminTheMoose | i'm trying to extract libdb1-compat from it's .deb but ar -xo gives me: no entry libdb1-compat_2.1.3-7_i386.deb in archive |
| 19:46.10 | itchi | stew: Right, just looked in the contrl file |
| 19:46.23 | SkareCrow | /etc/fstab is on the /dev/hda1 mount, how does it read that? |
| 19:46.27 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: dpkg -x |
| 19:46.30 | simonrvn | a big fat mess of debris |
| 19:46.43 | Xnerd | stew: what if i install kernel-image and then rebuild kernel? |
| 19:46.54 | SkareCrow | wouldnt it have to mount /dev/hda1 in order to read /etc/fstab? |
| 19:47.02 | itchi | stew: Or is that new Debian Python policy already in Etch? |
| 19:47.11 | SkareCrow | wtf what about /dev/hda1 |
| 19:47.15 | Phated | SkareCrow: It mounts the ROOT partition according to your bootloader configuration. |
| 19:47.16 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 19:47.16 | simonrvn | there's magic involved i don't understand |
| 19:47.24 | SkareCrow | alright |
| 19:47.36 | yassine | hi i have 2 hard driver the maste is the one where grub is installed the slave is used for a so called operating system "wind**" i just switchen to linux and plan to stay for a good even on my work station and now im trying to set a dual boot juts in case of and when i select the windo* to boot i get an error tell no such drive |
| 19:47.47 | Phated | Or something. But in any case, should you -really- be dicking about with removing / if you don't fully understand the boot process? |
| 19:47.51 | itchi | stew: hehe, i still try to look what's happend with it ;-) |
| 19:47.59 | yassine | any idea what could be wrong with my grup configuration ? |
| 19:48.07 | SkareCrow | i didnt plan on it, was just curious what would happen |
| 19:48.12 | simonrvn | SkareCrow: again why do you want to do this? |
| 19:48.19 | Phated | "It would break." |
| 19:48.20 | simonrvn | oh i see |
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| 19:48.29 | Phated | Isn't that enough? :) |
| 19:48.35 | simonrvn | yes, as in "B R E A K" |
| 19:48.46 | Phated | bork bork bork. |
| 19:49.05 | simonrvn | heh |
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| 19:49.27 | Guerin | yassine: you have it set up wrong |
| 19:49.55 | yassine | Guerin, let me pastbin it you can tell me if its so 100% okay ? |
| 19:50.21 | Guerin | yassine: just compare the bit about windows boot to the stock config in menu.lst |
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| 19:50.51 | Guerin | yassine: you probably only need to change the drive; to find out how they're named read grub-doc |
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| 19:51.39 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abchirk complains about: MAxiMuS spam on join... |
| 19:52.03 | tuv | what is a good, simple, and easily accessible todo manager? |
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| 19:52.39 | Phated | a text file with mode 777? |
| 19:52.46 | abrotman | i never get any good spam |
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| 19:53.01 | streuner | !spam abrotman |
| 19:53.03 | jelly | Phated: a text file and grep! |
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| 19:53.11 | cydork | abrotman, there is good spam out there? :P |
| 19:53.26 | Phated | jelly: Meh, grep is optional. You could as easily use awk or summat, I guess :) |
| 19:53.41 | yassine | Guerin, if you could have a look at it ill be gald : http://rafb.net/paste/results/9AVRNg55.html |
| 19:53.46 | dennisharrison | in debian where would I specify what modules I want to load on system start ? |
| 19:53.54 | abrotman | /etc/modules |
| 19:53.54 | stew | dennisharrison: /etc/modules |
| 19:54.17 | dutchfish | should i replace libc6 for libc6-xen in etch when i run a xen-2.6.18 kernel and why? The package is suggested but not mandatory from its depencie related to the kernel. |
| 19:54.17 | dennisharrison | thanks |
| 19:54.31 | dennisharrison | figured it would have been in rc*.d |
| 19:54.58 | abchirk | abrotman really? but why only mee? |
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| 19:55.52 | itchi | stew: Are you looking to the boa-constructor package? |
| 19:56.49 | itchi | stew: Because of http://wiki.debian.org/DebianPython/NewPolicy Point 3 of Updating your packages i not find in the debian/control file of the boa-constructor package |
| 19:57.04 | CharminTheMoose | question:How can I see what particular packages a cd has? |
| 19:57.05 | abrotman | abchirk: because you're not the real abchirk! |
| 19:57.12 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 19:57.13 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 19:57.30 | abchirk | hm i am the real abchirk and already identified :9 |
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| 19:57.47 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 19:58.06 | stew | itchi: every *source* package has a debian/control file, /msg dpkg source |
| 19:58.08 | abchirk | And i dont like pr0ns so much.. |
| 19:58.14 | dennisharrison | wow |
| 19:58.19 | dennisharrison | debian is pretty freakin slick |
| 19:58.20 | pihhan | hello |
| 19:58.24 | dennisharrison | thanks guys |
| 19:58.28 | abchirk | hi pihhan |
| 19:58.37 | pihhan | a dumb question, where can i get distribution pgp key? |
| 19:58.51 | dennisharrison | for what repo ? |
| 19:58.58 | pihhan | i mean, for apt-key and apt repository |
| 19:59.28 | pihhan | testing |
| 19:59.28 | lunitik | pihhan: debian-keyring |
| 19:59.29 | itchi | stew: Sorry, i think i have tell i wrong maybe, that point 3 of the new policy is not yet applied on the debian/control file of the boa-constructor package |
| 19:59.29 | cydork | !tell pihhan -about etch key |
| 19:59.30 | dennisharrison | !tell dennisharrison -about etch key |
| 19:59.36 | dennisharrison | heh guess ill get it too ;p |
| 19:59.38 | pihhan | oh |
| 19:59.48 | cydork | !tell dennisharrison -about msg the bot |
| 19:59.50 | pihhan | is there something dpkg does not know? |
| 19:59.55 | itchi | stew: But gona look in the source too, i compare that deb file with these i have build |
| 20:00.14 | pihhan | anyway, why it is not visible in security.debian.org? |
| 20:00.15 | lunitik | !stats |
| 20:00.15 | dpkg | Since Wed Nov 29 12:05:04 2006, there have been 3 modifications, 238 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 30 commands. I have been awake for 7h 55m 11s this session, and currently reference 37029 factoids. I'm using about 13736 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 48.07/2.34 child 2.37/0.2 |
| 20:00.30 | dennisharrison | thanks cydork :) |
| 20:00.38 | lunitik | I think pretty much everything is covered in those 37000 factoids |
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| 20:00.54 | itchi | stew: Yeah, maybe i need to talk with the maintainer of it, nor borrow you with it ;-) |
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| 20:01.43 | pihhan | hmm |
| 20:01.56 | pihhan | but i have debian-archive-keyring installed |
| 20:02.10 | pihhan | is there anything i have to config? |
| 20:02.24 | pihhan | keyring path or something? |
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| 20:02.52 | lunitik | pihhan: should be fixed after another apt-get update ... rather annoying, it usually just goes away for me randomly... |
| 20:03.24 | CharminTheMoose | so question:How do i make my distro umsdos compatible? |
| 20:03.38 | CharminTheMoose | ie how do i make it boot using umsdos? |
| 20:03.53 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: whoa, wtf ... who uses umsdos in this day and age? it died in 1998 |
| 20:03.58 | pihhan | copy it to umsdos mounted partititon |
| 20:04.05 | pihhan | install grub there |
| 20:04.25 | pihhan | make umsdos enabled kernel or load module in initrd |
| 20:04.26 | abrotman | 1998? |
| 20:04.28 | Guerin | yassine: me looking at it will be useless, snice I don't know what drive your windows install is on |
| 20:04.56 | yassine | Guerin, thanks windows is on the slave |
| 20:04.59 | peterS | abrotman: well, whenever kernel 2.2.0 came out which had some umsdos bugs that nobody really cared about even back then |
| 20:05.06 | abrotman | hehe |
| 20:05.17 | Guerin | yassine: 'the slave' means nothing |
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| 20:06.10 | CharminTheMoose | PeterS:For my crappy computer. |
| 20:06.15 | CharminTheMoose | for the hell of it...... |
| 20:06.18 | pihhan | well, sometime umsdos might be good |
| 20:06.40 | pihhan | maybe for microlinux on flash drive or such |
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| 20:07.02 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: I note that umsdos flat-out _disappeared_ in kernel 2.6.11. I think it had been effectively dead for about 8 years before that, though. |
| 20:07.26 | abrotman | bring it back! |
| 20:07.31 | pihhan | my first distro was umsdos based distro back |
| 20:07.58 | peterS | I tried umsdos ... _once_. kernel 2.0.27 if I'm not mistaken. it worked, but even then I was like eww eww eww |
| 20:08.28 | peterS | it isn't really compatible with VFAT ... that gives you an idea how up-to-date it is |
| 20:08.38 | abrotman | did you go wash yourself off in the mississippi to get clean? :) |
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| 20:08.50 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:08.51 | teledyn | hi it's Duarte |
| 20:08.53 | peterS | nah, that platte |
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| 20:09.18 | Guerin | he washed his hands in the muddy water, but they couldn't come clean |
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| 20:09.32 | CharminTheMoose | slackware still uses umsdos for it's zipslack |
| 20:09.43 | abrotman | that doesn't make it right! |
| 20:09.49 | pihhan | well |
| 20:09.49 | CharminTheMoose | lol |
| 20:09.57 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: slackware has no meaningful package management |
| 20:10.01 | peterS | CharminTheMoose: that's nice ... do they use kernel 2.6.10 or earlier, or do they (shudder) forward-port it to a modern kernel? |
| 20:10.02 | pihhan | i wonder why uvfat system disappeared |
| 20:10.17 | Guerin | it's the luddite's distro |
| 20:10.31 | peterS | pihhan: did uvfat ever exist? I heard of people discussing a vfat-based update to umsdos, but I never heard anything come of it |
| 20:10.34 | x_link | Hi |
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| 20:10.55 | pihhan | peterS, something like it existed for a while i think |
| 20:11.06 | x_link | Sometimes my machine just get stuck, I can't move the mouse, I can't press Ctrl+Alt+Backspace/delete etc |
| 20:11.08 | pihhan | but it was removed soon after it was there |
| 20:11.10 | x_link | What can be causing this ? |
| 20:11.16 | x_link | Cause it's really annoying. |
| 20:11.23 | Guerin | x_link: are you overclocking? |
| 20:11.40 | krazykit | x_link: sarge? etch? sid? |
| 20:11.40 | x_link | No, I haven't done anything with this machine. |
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| 20:11.46 | Guerin | x_link: are you using proprietary video drivers? |
| 20:11.50 | x_link | I'm using Debian Testing KDE 3.5 |
| 20:11.53 | peterS | the problem with vfat is that even though it does support long filenames, it still has some annoying restrictions on filenames, like you can't use ":" in them, so uvfat would _still_ have to mangle filenames somewhat, I guess |
| 20:11.55 | pihhan | x_link, have you sensors configured? what are temperatures |
| 20:11.59 | jazbo2185 | x_link: have you taken a look at the logs after a crash? |
| 20:12.02 | x_link | pihhan: My temp is okey |
| 20:12.23 | Guerin | x_link: are you using proprietary video drivers? |
| 20:13.07 | Guerin | i'll take that as an 'I'm retarded and don't know' |
| 20:13.09 | pihhan | hard freezing is usually hardware failure |
| 20:13.30 | pihhan | check memory with memtest, check your coolers all work and all are rotating |
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| 20:13.34 | Guerin | pihhan: whcih can be caused by drivers, particularly video. |
| 20:13.46 | x_link | sedde@sedde:~$ acpi -t Thermal 1: ok, 54.0 degrees C |
| 20:13.58 | pihhan | 54 is okay? oh :) |
| 20:14.01 | x_link | Guerin: I think so. |
| 20:14.09 | x_link | pihhan: Yes, 120C is critical on this machine. |
| 20:14.23 | jazbo2185 | For a while I was having hard freezes when I unmounted my 4 gig thumb drive. Upgraded the kernel and then everything was fine |
| 20:14.30 | x_link | I had a command that showed that before, I wrote that command down, but I can't find it now =( |
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| 20:14.40 | pihhan | x_link, one thing is stability temperature, second is when cpu dies forever |
| 20:14.47 | jazbo2185 | x_link: first step is to take a look at the logs after you crash |
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| 20:14.55 | x_link | jazbo2185: Okey. |
| 20:14.56 | pihhan | i have 34C on my old computer :) |
| 20:15.02 | x_link | jazbo2185: I don't know how to do that. |
| 20:15.16 | x_link | This is an AMD Athlon XP 2600+ 2GHz. |
| 20:15.29 | Guerin | x_link: first step is to get rid of proprietary drivers. |
| 20:15.38 | Guerin | x_link: if that solves the problem, then you have your answer. |
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| 20:15.49 | x_link | Abit KD7A mobo, 512+256+256MB DDR 400Mhz RAM, nVIDIA GeForce 4 MX-440 64MB video card, 300Watt PSU. |
| 20:16.17 | Guerin | x_link: if that doesn't fix it, running memtest86+ and cpuburn is the next move |
| 20:16.20 | x_link | Guerin: I don't know what proprietary means =/ |
| 20:16.33 | Guerin | x_link: the nvidia 3d driver |
| 20:16.38 | x_link | OKey. |
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| 20:16.42 | stew | x_link: which video driver are you using? |
| 20:16.45 | CharminTheMoose | proprietary=microsoft |
| 20:16.46 | x_link | Well, I don't know how that's done. |
| 20:16.52 | pihhan | x_link, use "nv" driver instead of "nvidia" |
| 20:16.55 | Guerin | CharminTheMoose: you're styupid. |
| 20:16.56 | x_link | stew: I haven't installed any. |
| 20:17.08 | Guerin | x_link: ok, you don't use 3d? |
| 20:17.10 | CharminTheMoose | aye,i am |
| 20:17.13 | CharminTheMoose | occasionally |
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| 20:17.15 | x_link | Guerin: No. |
| 20:17.23 | peterS | but at least he uses zipslack |
| 20:17.27 | pihhan | so you have free nv driver then :) |
| 20:17.28 | Guerin | x_link: good, that rules that out. proceed to my next suggestions |
| 20:17.36 | AndroidData | Hi. I'm installing a mail server. Which mail server would be the easiest and best to install, supporting virtual hosts? |
| 20:17.51 | x_link | Guerin: apt-get install cpuburn ? |
| 20:17.51 | peterS | AndroidData: both exim4 and postfix are well supported |
| 20:17.54 | CharminTheMoose | i don't use zipslack |
| 20:17.55 | Guerin | x_link: tonight, when you go to bed,m set memtest86 to run, and hee how it's doing when you get back from work, skool or whatever you do |
| 20:18.02 | CharminTheMoose | i just gave that as an example |
| 20:18.04 | AndroidData | ok, well, I installed postfix |
| 20:18.07 | Guerin | x_link: it should be run for as long as possible, at least overnight |
| 20:18.12 | peterS | AndroidData: don't know which is easiest, but they're about equivalent in functionality and security |
| 20:18.15 | x_link | Ok. |
| 20:18.19 | AndroidData | but I don't know how to add virtual hosts etc. |
| 20:18.27 | Guerin | x_link: dunno. Probably. |
| 20:18.30 | AndroidData | (I'm going to write my own control panel for clients.) |
| 20:18.32 | jazbo2185 | x_link: less /var/log/messages. Look at what is being but in the log right at the time of the crash. At least that's how I found out what was giving me hard freezes |
| 20:18.39 | Guerin | !postfix howto |
| 20:18.39 | dpkg | somebody said postfix howto was see http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ and/ or http://high5.net/howto/ |
| 20:18.45 | Guerin | AndroidData: ↑ |
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| 20:18.45 | jazbo2185 | but-->put |
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| 20:19.01 | AndroidData | Also DNSSTUFF complains about SPF; how do I configure it properly, since I need it to work with virtual hosts etc.? |
| 20:19.06 | Guerin | AndroidData: that uses mysql; you could use ldap, postgre, or textfiles if you like |
| 20:19.16 | Guerin | AndroidData: you don't need SPF. |
| 20:19.16 | AndroidData | ahh it uses mysql. I see |
| 20:19.29 | Guerin | AndroidData: but it's trivial enough to set up; there are howtos on google. |
| 20:19.31 | AndroidData | I don't? It gives me an awful warning that I should get it or spammers may use my mail |
| 20:19.32 | pihhan | AndroidData, you should read it about if you want sell your services |
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| 20:20.01 | pihhan | they will use it anyway :) |
| 20:20.05 | Guerin | AndroidData: nothing prevents spammers from using your mail addresses |
| 20:20.19 | AndroidData | I hve an make an SPF for each website? |
| 20:20.22 | Guerin | AndroidData: what SPF does is provides assurance to other servers that you're not a spammer |
| 20:20.28 | jazbo2185 | x_link: there are other logs than "messages" of course and I'm not sure if that's the best one to look at in this case. Maybe someone else could suggest |
| 20:20.33 | AndroidData | Guerin: I know, but it helps people know that it's illegally sent |
| 20:20.34 | Guerin | AndroidData: you should read about it and understand it before implementing it |
| 20:20.47 | AndroidData | I know what it does. |
| 20:20.49 | Guerin | AndroidData: not really, since it isn't widely deployed. |
| 20:20.57 | AndroidData | hmmm? |
| 20:21.05 | AndroidData | Oh, I won't use it (for now) then |
| 20:21.15 | Guerin | it's being taken up, but not at a hugelky fast rate |
| 20:21.36 | Guerin | and the waters are muddied because MS took the SPF idea and made therir own broken proprietary implementation |
| 20:22.00 | pihhan | yeah |
| 20:22.09 | x_link | hrmmm |
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| 20:22.19 | pihhan | installing exim4 + sa-exim is simple and effective :) |
| 20:22.29 | x_link | I just did apt-get install cpuburn, it gives me a warning message, that's it's dangerous to run that program etc. |
| 20:22.30 | Guerin | sa-? |
| 20:22.40 | Guerin | x_link: it is. |
| 20:22.46 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:22.52 | x_link | What if it will mess up something then? |
| 20:22.53 | Guerin | x_link: if your cooling regime isn't up to scratch. |
| 20:22.55 | Andy_CARP | hi all, how can I know what loaded module is bond with each eth? |
| 20:23.03 | Guerin | x_link: just monitor it closely |
| 20:23.18 | x_link | Should I install/run it anyway? |
| 20:23.32 | Guerin | Andy_CARP: it's done by the order they're loaded, which is controlled by the NIC's irq. |
| 20:23.35 | abrotman | ethtool |
| 20:23.40 | stew | x_link: do you think your problems are caused by your cpu overheating? |
| 20:23.53 | x_link | stew: Actually, no. |
| 20:24.00 | Guerin | x_link: it's a way of finding out whether your cpu load or heat is causing the crashes. |
| 20:24.03 | x_link | Cause 54C is not that much. |
| 20:24.13 | Guerin | x_link: what it is *now* is irrelevant |
| 20:24.17 | x_link | Guerin: So maybe my machine gets to hot ? |
| 20:24.17 | Andy_CARP | abrotman Guerin thanks |
| 20:24.18 | Guerin | since your box isn't crashing |
| 20:24.29 | Guerin | what's relevant is what the temp is when it crashes |
| 20:24.34 | x_link | OK |
| 20:24.36 | abrotman | OT: Where did SymphonyOS go ? |
| 20:24.36 | Guerin | x_link: maybe. |
| 20:24.46 | x_link | But my machine is on 54C all the time almost. |
| 20:24.49 | Guerin | abrotman: to the great /dev/null in the sky? |
| 20:24.51 | x_link | Everytime I have checked. |
| 20:24.57 | Guerin | x_link: even when it locks up? |
| 20:25.02 | stew | x_link: i'd try memtest86 before anything else |
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| 20:25.07 | x_link | Then I haven't been able to check.- |
| 20:25.09 | x_link | stew: Okey. |
| 20:25.13 | abrotman | Guerin: okay |
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| 20:25.27 | pihhan | x_link, cpuburn make your cpu work all time, it should get more warm a bit |
| 20:25.30 | smoke | x_link: about 50C is common on AMD |
| 20:25.37 | Guerin | x_link: i had a box where the motor in the cpu fan was fucked - it woudl just stop sometimes |
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| 20:25.47 | robin_z | whats the package that provide continuous synchronization to the ntp servers ?? ntpdate is a one off event right? theres somethig elesse that works all the time? |
| 20:25.49 | x_link | 120C is critical on this machine, I know cause I have checked. |
| 20:25.56 | Guerin | x_link: with the fan on it was fine, but if the fan stopped (for no reason) it freaked out |
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| 20:26.05 | x_link | Guerin: Okey. |
| 20:26.06 | Guerin | robin_z: ntpd |
| 20:26.11 | robin_z | ta |
| 20:26.11 | pihhan | robin_sz, ntp-server |
| 20:26.16 | robin_z | oh ... |
| 20:26.22 | Guerin | same-same |
| 20:26.25 | robin_z | casting vote? |
| 20:26.30 | rgsteele | Hm, anyone know the best way to determine what block sizes a given block device is using? |
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| 20:26.45 | Guerin | robin_z: fdisk -l |
| 20:26.47 | Guerin | ? |
| 20:26.49 | Guerin | bah |
| 20:26.50 | Guerin | rgsteele: |
| 20:26.53 | smoke | tun2fs ? |
| 20:26.54 | Guerin | maybe, anyhow |
| 20:26.56 | x_link | My mobo, video card, CPU has fans, then I put a hard drive fan on one of my hard drives ( it's a plastic/metalic thing with 2 small fans on it), then I put 2 fans on the backside of the case which takes out the air. |
| 20:26.57 | rgsteele | robin_z: Why not just cronjob it? |
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| 20:27.31 | pihhan | rgsteele, ntp is better way to go |
| 20:27.32 | smoke | rgsteele: what filesystem are you using |
| 20:27.35 | smoke | ? |
| 20:27.36 | rgsteele | Guerin: I think that just lists the number of blocks |
| 20:27.42 | rgsteele | smoke: ReiserFS |
| 20:27.47 | pihhan | jumping with time might broke some servers |
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| 20:28.02 | robin_z | rgsteele: thanks, but that will then drift throught hte day, then jump back and screw everything up .. proper ntp synch is much saner |
| 20:28.04 | Guerin | heh, i think acpi might be busted on my machine |
| 20:28.06 | rgsteele | pihhan: I mean have a cronjob that runs ntpdate every so often |
| 20:28.15 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:28.16 | rgsteele | robin_z: Oh, ok |
| 20:28.27 | Guerin | ambient temperature is about 15 degrees |
| 20:28.30 | pihhan | rgsteele, you should consider installing ntp-server also ;-) |
| 20:28.40 | smoke | rgsteele: i dont for reiserfs but fsck might do |
| 20:28.53 | Eulex | acpi is one of the most wrongly implemented protocols ever, so wouldn't surprise me |
| 20:28.59 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:29.00 | rgsteele | pihhan: I think our cluster does have that |
| 20:29.18 | x_link | apt-get install memtest86+ downloads something but when I write memtest86+ in Run Command nothing opens. |
| 20:29.32 | Spacemenn | hi, where can the problem be: phpmyadmin works on apache2 php5.2 but pear with db-package will not make a db-connection after an upgrade? |
| 20:29.33 | Guerin | x_link: you need to boot it |
| 20:29.35 | stew | x_link: read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian |
| 20:29.37 | Guerin | x_link: read the doc |
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| 20:29.40 | pihhan | x_link, you have to update-grub, reboot and let it work over night |
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| 20:30.30 | x_link | ahaa |
| 20:30.42 | madclicker | please tell me etch will be released with 2.6.18 |
| 20:30.45 | x_link | so.. apt-get install memtest86+, then reboot, then just let it be over the night? |
| 20:30.50 | Guerin | madclicker: that's the plan |
| 20:30.58 | Guerin | x_link: update-grub |
| 20:31.00 | madclicker | huray! |
| 20:31.03 | Guerin | x_link: try to pay attention |
| 20:31.14 | stew | x_link: read /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian |
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| 20:32.27 | x_link | Guerin: I'm using LILO. |
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| 20:32.33 | mcnaft | !help compile kernel |
| 20:32.34 | x_link | stew: Okey. |
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| 20:33.09 | Guerin | x_link: you have my commiserations |
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| 20:34.07 | sven_ | yes, i was thinking of booting on a usbstick, which then creates a ram-disk, copies the entire root fs to it, mounts it as root, and then voila. |
| 20:34.15 | x_link | /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian |
| 20:34.20 | sven_ | any howto on that? |
| 20:34.20 | x_link | How can I read that ? |
| 20:34.27 | sven_ | x_link: less /usr/sh... |
| 20:34.31 | x_link | ok |
| 20:34.36 | x_link | Thanks sven_ ! |
| 20:34.41 | sven_ | sure, no problem |
| 20:35.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: why are women strange? |
| 20:35.27 | x_link | hrmm |
| 20:35.36 | x_link | less /usr/share/doc/memtest86+/README.Debian |
| 20:35.40 | x_link | No such file or directory |
| 20:36.06 | stew | x_link: what version of memtest86+ is installed? |
| 20:37.04 | pihhan | x_link, memtest is installed as new kernel, you have to reboot it and choose it |
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| 20:37.23 | stew | (after running update-grub) |
| 20:37.35 | x_link | memtest86+_1.65-1_i386.deb) |
| 20:37.45 | x_link | pihhan: Okey |
| 20:37.52 | x_link | How do I update LILO ? |
| 20:37.57 | x_link | apt-get update LILO ? |
| 20:38.05 | pihhan | no |
| 20:38.08 | x_link | I have never done that before. |
| 20:38.12 | pihhan | why do you want lilo? |
| 20:38.27 | peterS | x_link: aptitude install lilo |
| 20:38.28 | Eulex | apt-get install lilo |
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| 20:38.45 | Guerin | he's got lilo already |
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| 20:38.52 | pihhan | i suggest aptitude install grub; aptitude remove lilo :) |
| 20:38.54 | x_link | But I already have LILO |
| 20:38.57 | Guerin | x_link: rtfm |
| 20:39.02 | Guerin | x_link: n00b |
| 20:39.04 | peterS | debian, unlike rpm-based distributions, does not have separate commands for 'upgrading' vs. 'installing' |
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| 20:39.26 | Eulex | !mirrors |
| 20:39.26 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 20:39.27 | Guerin | !mirrors |
| 20:39.38 | Eulex | :P |
| 20:39.38 | peterS | RPM-based distributions need these to be separate concepts since you can install multiple versions of some packages simultaneously. in Debian, you cannot |
| 20:39.57 | Guerin | which is sane |
| 20:40.19 | x_link | pihhan: Thanks for your help |
| 20:40.21 | peterS | well, they do use this feature to implement multiarch, which is kinda cool |
| 20:40.24 | x_link | I will just forget about this... |
| 20:40.26 | pihhan | is there some issue about xfs and 2.6.17 kernel? |
| 20:40.33 | peterS | pihhan: yes. it's broken |
| 20:40.43 | peterS | pihhan: stop using xfs on 2.6.17 immediately, 2.6.18 is fixed |
| 20:40.53 | abrotman | tarzeau: because you are? |
| 20:41.26 | pihhan | when will be in never kernel in testing? |
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| 20:41.39 | pihhan | i have to use 2.6.15 from ubuntu now :) |
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| 20:41.51 | Eulex | get 2.6.18 from unstable |
| 20:42.08 | Eulex | just download the .deb and dpkg -i it |
| 20:42.11 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'm not so strange |
| 20:42.15 | peterS | pihhan: 2.6.18 will be in testing soon |
| 20:42.17 | abrotman | right ... |
| 20:42.32 | madclicker | am kind of confused, some mirrors use "etch" and some "testing" which should I use? |
| 20:42.33 | pihhan | i am wainting some time |
| 20:42.38 | peterS | madclicker: etch |
| 20:42.42 | pihhan | i am starting to be impatient :) |
| 20:42.48 | dondelelcaro | madclicker: testing is merely a symlink to etch. |
| 20:42.50 | peterS | madclicker: if you say 'testing', it will jump to lenny after etch is released, which is probably not what you wnat |
| 20:42.56 | Eulex | madclicker, depends, do you want to use etch or testing when etch goes stable? |
| 20:43.09 | madclicker | peterS, but if I use etch nothing updates if i use testing it is |
| 20:43.15 | Krassy | which is the best way to account and graph traffic (for 3 class C networks) on debian based router ? |
| 20:43.33 | SkareCrow | lol, its so cold out side i was standing out there for like 3 minutes and my hair froze |
| 20:43.35 | tarzeau | A door appears in the wall! The door crashes open! |
| 20:43.35 | madclicker | Eulex, etch |
| 20:43.45 | tarzeau | SkareCrow: snow? |
| 20:43.50 | peterS | SkareCrow: yeah, it's ugly around here too. I could go for some global warming right about now |
| 20:43.57 | Krassy | w/o heavy load |
| 20:44.05 | SkareCrow | yea, pull out the hair spray! |
| 20:44.08 | pihhan | oh nice |
| 20:44.08 | SkareCrow | everyone! |
| 20:44.09 | Eulex | madclicker, then use etch. |
| 20:44.23 | SkareCrow | tarzeau: yes it snowed |
| 20:44.32 | SkareCrow | although its mainly all ice now |
| 20:44.36 | pihhan | i dont want snow, i dont want winter ... |
| 20:44.37 | peterS | no snow here, just freezing rain. which is really worse. |
| 20:44.39 | SkareCrow | been around 0 degress at night |
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| 20:44.47 | SkareCrow | gust's of wind around -20 degrees |
| 20:45.13 | SkareCrow | the snow we have, like 4 inchs right now is frozen |
| 20:45.30 | stew | what's that like -.3 radians? |
| 20:45.32 | SkareCrow | every where people walked is like an inch thick of ice |
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| 20:45.43 | tarzeau | You read: "Thev ?ay tha? cncc n Ol?g-?a? i? carned it neve? shows its fa?e again." |
| 20:45.48 | peterS | Al Gore needs to come see me and show me some of that global warming |
| 20:45.53 | blondie | huh |
| 20:45.54 | tarzeau | they say that ??? it never shows its face again? |
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| 20:46.02 | blondie | 0 degrees at night = warmer in the day, so ice would melt |
| 20:46.11 | SkareCrow | it doesnt melt |
| 20:46.18 | blondie | but it's above freezing surely. |
| 20:46.19 | SkareCrow | its around 20 degrees during the day |
| 20:46.26 | blondie | erm |
| 20:46.28 | blondie | that's quite hot |
| 20:46.34 | SkareCrow | i thought 30 degrees is freezing? |
| 20:46.35 | peterS | he probably means Fahrenheit |
| 20:46.37 | stew | 20 degrees kelvin is quite cold |
| 20:46.40 | SkareCrow | 30 degress it snows |
| 20:46.40 | Guerin | blondie: you forget that the existing show and ice brings the ground temperature down |
| 20:46.41 | blondie | 0 degrees is freezing |
| 20:46.45 | SkareCrow | 20 degrees is pretty cold |
| 20:46.50 | blondie | oh |
| 20:46.57 | blondie | DEPRECATED temperature unit. |
| 20:47.07 | Guerin | blondie: you get superficial melting, but a cover of snow can persist in weather quite far above )°C |
| 20:47.08 | SkareCrow | at 20 degrees it wont snow, i dont think |
| 20:47.10 | Guerin | 0 |
| 20:47.15 | Spacemenn | hi, where can the problem be: phpmyadmin works on apache2 php5.2 but pear with db-package will not make a db-connection after an upgrade? |
| 20:47.24 | blondie | SkareCrow: please use sensible units :P |
| 20:47.34 | x_link | Which command is used to see which kernel you're using ? |
| 20:47.36 | stew | blondie: please be more accepting of other cultures |
| 20:47.45 | stew | x_link: uname -r |
| 20:47.51 | x_link | Okey. |
| 20:47.59 | Guerin | stew: it's not a culture, it's a conceit ;) |
| 20:48.09 | blondie | it's nothing to do with cultures. |
| 20:48.46 | blondie | it's to do with being stubborn |
| 20:48.50 | liri | someone remembers how to pull out bios information? |
| 20:49.29 | SkareCrow | right now, the temperture is 13 F |
| 20:49.45 | peterS | i.e., -10°C |
| 20:49.53 | SkareCrow | 11 C |
| 20:49.58 | blondie | 11C? |
| 20:50.02 | blondie | erm |
| 20:50.06 | Azar | liri I usually reboot and pres Del until I get the BIOS screen |
| 20:50.23 | peterS | 11°C is 52°F |
| 20:50.31 | Guerin | here it's 16°C and people are wearing jackets |
| 20:50.35 | liri | Azar: yeah but I remembered a way to pull this kind of data out of linux, I know there's way :) |
| 20:50.45 | SkareCrow | i mean -- |
| 20:50.46 | SkareCrow | -* |
| 20:50.56 | SkareCrow | -11 degress celsius |
| 20:50.56 | Azar | liri, no I never asked or read about |
| 20:51.07 | robin_z | OK, /etc/timezone ... its currently US/Eastern ... what do I put in for GMT? |
| 20:51.28 | Guerin | robin_z: tzconfig |
| 20:51.30 | SkareCrow | -11 degress celsius is 13 degrees fahrenheit |
| 20:51.41 | peterS | robin_z: UTC |
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| 20:52.02 | peterS | robin_z: or GMT, take your pick |
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| 20:53.08 | blondie | but... UTC != GMT :o |
| 20:53.10 | ziby | hi all |
| 20:53.18 | ziby | vagyunk vagy 2 en |
| 20:53.27 | peterS | blondie: glibc sees no difference though |
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| 20:54.08 | zamaliphe | i used to have auto complite for the pkg name when i use apt like "apt-get inatall konver [tap][tap]" and i get alist of pkgs with that name but after i install debian this time i can use it? how can i get it back ?? |
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| 20:54.39 | dondelelcaro | zamaliphe: you need to enable bash completion; it's commented out by default in the /etc/bashrc |
| 20:54.54 | robin_z | hmmm neither GMT or UTC seemed to work |
| 20:54.56 | dondelelcaro | s/bashrc/bash.&/ |
| 20:55.26 | peterS | robin_z: do you have a personal timezone? i.e., does "echo $TZ" say anything? |
| 20:55.31 | robin_z | ahh, Europe/London is the correct setting ... |
| 20:55.38 | zamaliphe | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 20:55.47 | dondelelcaro | robin_z: you need to set that to UTC or GMT, and change /etc/default/rcS to UTC=yes; |
| 20:55.53 | peterS | robin_z: yeah, 'ls -F /usr/share/zoneinfo' is helpful |
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| 20:57.04 | robin_z | what is UTC anyway? a sort of american verison of GMT? |
| 20:57.04 | peterS | dondelelcaro: that's pretty much the only reason. I wonder if we should even _support_ UTC=no on non-i386-amd64 platforms |
| 20:57.13 | rgsteele | Hm, is there a way to determine the age of a filesystem? |
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| 20:57.20 | peterS | robin_z: 'universal coordinated time' is a sort of more rigorous GMT |
| 20:57.23 | rgsteele | I know there's gotta be a timestamp somewhere |
| 20:57.27 | robin_z | right |
| 20:57.44 | dondelelcaro | it's a question of whether you have leap seconds or not; I can never remember which is which. |
| 20:57.52 | peterS | robin_z: the distinction has to do with leap seconds, but nobody pays much attention to the difference nowadays, so GMT is more or less just "pretty much UTC" |
| 20:58.02 | robin_z | fairy nuff |
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| 20:58.35 | dondelelcaro | UTC is really what you want to talk about, since GMT is kind of a misnomer |
| 20:58.56 | PumpkinPie | I just ate some pumpkin pie |
| 20:58.56 | peterS | yeah, if they use BST in Greenwich, we probably shouldn't bother with Greenwich Mean Time anymore (: |
| 20:59.14 | robin_z | BST is juat a daylight saving thing |
| 20:59.33 | peterS | yeah. but it is UTC+1, is my point. |
| 20:59.34 | dondelelcaro | WET and WES... |
| 20:59.44 | robin_z | I thought it was GMT+1 |
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| 21:00.15 | peterS | BST, where the livin is eeeeeasy.... |
| 21:00.24 | dondelelcaro | that's the LBC. |
| 21:00.25 | robin_z | anyway ... tzconfig solved my problem |
| 21:00.38 | dondelelcaro | Long Beach Crips in the house... |
| 21:01.26 | peterS | hmm, I wonder if "Eire" and "GB-Eire" are the same TZ |
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| 21:01.40 | peterS | I suppose the one is really NI? |
| 21:02.50 | zamaliphe | !sudo |
| 21:02.50 | dpkg | sudo is probably (SUperuser DO) better than su, according to talon.It is able to give limited super user privileges to specific users, or can allow you to do silly things like run X apps with root perms, or good in scripts with "username ALL = NOPASSWD: /some/program", or http://www.aplawrence.com/Basics/sudo.html |
| 21:02.50 | asg | zamaliphe: you can /msg the bot as well |
| 21:02.50 | summatusmentis | I'm trying to build beryl from svn on my etch system, and I get a "glib-gettextize: command not found" error... suggestions? |
| 21:02.50 | zamaliphe | asg: ok |
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| 21:03.05 | peterS | summatusmentis: install libglib2.0-dev |
| 21:03.13 | pihhan | what package contains glxgears? |
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| 21:03.15 | Azar | hehehe o/t you guys who like ./ I found a story generator |
| 21:03.26 | Azar | er /x |
| 21:03.33 | peterS | summatusmentis: it wouldn't surprise me if you also needed libgtk2.0-dev |
| 21:03.41 | stew | pihhan: /msg dpkg glxgears |
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| 21:07.33 | orzelf | hello. i have a problem with raid autodetection by debian. i had a raid1 array with three partition 0xfd (on three different hard disk) |
| 21:07.42 | orzelf | i've removed the '0xfd' type in fdisk on one hard disk |
| 21:07.49 | orzelf | put 83 instead (linux 'normal') |
| 21:07.57 | orzelf | and still, the array is constructed at boot time |
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| 21:08.11 | orzelf | i would like to avoid that, in order to be able to mount this disk on another computer |
| 21:08.47 | pihhan | someone knows where is nighbuild of psi as apt repo? |
| 21:09.09 | summatusmentis | peterS, that worked, what about intltoolize? |
| 21:09.43 | dareth | anybody install the vmware player under Sarge?? |
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| 21:10.39 | peterS | summatusmentis: what do the upstream build instructions tell you to install for that? |
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| 21:11.36 | buu | Uh, Starting domain name service...: bind failed!, where is the error log? |
| 21:11.39 | peterS | summatusmentis: anyway, just save yourself some time and trouble and 'apt-get build-dep compiz' |
| 21:11.52 | peterS | buu: /var/log/syslog |
| 21:12.02 | summatusmentis | dareth, I've got VMware server under etch... |
| 21:12.15 | buu | peterS: I see nothing =/ |
| 21:12.40 | buu | peterS: My last message is from ntpd |
| 21:12.40 | summatusmentis | peterS, I'm on etch, and I haven't seen any upstream build instructions |
| 21:12.49 | summatusmentis | and compiz won't work with my hardware |
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| 21:13.56 | peterS | summatusmentis: wtf, upstream doesn't supply any build instructions? |
| 21:14.16 | Azar | hehehe, someone here loves /. : http://www.bbspot.com/toys/slashtitle/index.html?reload=822353629456df7b09150c5.22667172 |
| 21:14.26 | peterS | summatusmentis: also, I didn't say "install compiz", I said "install the things that compiz needs in order to be built". the theory is that this list of packages is likely to be similar to what beryl needs. |
| 21:14.41 | summatusmentis | peterS, it might, I just don't know where their at |
| 21:14.47 | summatusmentis | and I misread the apt-get command |
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| 21:21.46 | pihhan | my KDE control center is put into lost+found menu folder |
| 21:22.02 | bokey | hello, I was wondering what mechanism is in place to stop some process from accessing network. very curious abt this. =) |
| 21:22.02 | pihhan | and KDE control center overview is empty after upgrade |
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| 21:22.16 | pihhan | someone know what could be done to repair it? |
| 21:22.19 | bokey | this is in Debian sarge. |
| 21:22.39 | pihhan | bokey, iptables and module for matching owner |
| 21:22.46 | pihhan | i think owner module |
| 21:22.59 | pihhan | you can forbid user by uid, gid, or executable name |
| 21:23.10 | bokey | pihhan: meaning, the processes can be blacklisted ? |
| 21:23.24 | pihhan | yeah |
| 21:23.53 | bokey | pihhan: but I use shorewall to control my iptables. |
| 21:23.54 | pihhan | man iptables, look for owner module |
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| 21:24.17 | pihhan | well, then you have to figure how to put custom rules into shorewall |
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| 21:24.34 | vin` | suqsu |
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| 21:25.02 | bokey | pihhan: thanks man. makes sense. |
| 21:25.03 | bokey | =) |
| 21:25.27 | KR-data | hi I'm considering setting up a semi-pro Linux-server, and I'm considering Debian as the distro. Why/why not chose Debian in stead of eg. gentoo? |
| 21:25.48 | stew | KR-data: /msg dpkg why debian |
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| 21:25.49 | pihhan | gentoo is for geeks |
| 21:26.11 | pihhan | debian has more matured package system |
| 21:26.22 | droll | does geek mean something negative in this context ? |
| 21:26.23 | KR-data | pihhan: well I'm an experienced gentoo-user :p |
| 21:26.26 | pihhan | especially if you dont need special patched versions of something |
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| 21:27.05 | sven_ | dead cat tell no tails |
| 21:27.19 | pihhan | then consider using what you know already |
| 21:27.34 | KR-data | pihhan: well I consider it to be a good thing that I can remove features that I don't use, but the compile-time is hell |
| 21:27.35 | sven_ | that came to mind |
| 21:27.35 | pihhan | but i think gentoo is interesting on desktop, but not on server |
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| 21:28.17 | pihhan | when i came to gentoo box, i am getting angry |
| 21:28.26 | pihhan | just because i dont know how to do things |
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| 21:28.30 | KR-data | pihhan: as a desktop it's great, but I agree that it might not be otimal for server, that's why I'm considering debian |
| 21:28.57 | Azar | why not gentoo? hmm from the news: "The lattest version of Gentoo has been released. Kudos to the dev team and especially the project manager. For those not familiar with the project, Gentoo is a program that is used to make pot legal and we can all use a little help with that" |
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| 21:29.16 | droll | everytime i run dwww-index++ in the background i experience strange network drop-outs listening to shoutcast-streams, what's wrong ? |
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| 21:30.44 | Toast | could anyone recommend a good ntp package? There seem to be a few in aptitude. |
| 21:31.10 | h3sp4wn | Depends what type of server - and how optimised it needs to be if its running a very non standard workload then gentoo would have advantages |
| 21:31.30 | Toast | I was more thinking of a client |
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| 21:33.37 | dummie | how much faster is SCSI than *ATA? |
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| 21:34.45 | Habbie | dummie, that's not really a very sensible question ;) |
| 21:34.51 | h3sp4wn | Toast: ntpdate seems to work ok just for setting the time I just run it once a day and never seem to have time issues |
| 21:35.19 | Habbie | dummie, these days, both have buses that exceed the bandwidth and transactional capacities of individual disks |
| 21:35.46 | itchi | Is there an easy way to install an mutlitude of apps with aptitude? Take i have a file with all the apps i have, can install these? An alternative to this for i in `cat apps_to_install.txt`; do aptitude install $i; done |
| 21:35.46 | h3sp4wn | dummie: afaik you cannot get 15000 ata disks - so the higher spin speed alone means the fastest scsi disks will all work faster than the fastest ide ones under load |
| 21:35.57 | Toast | thanks h3sp4wn. I've just downloaded msntp. I'll have a look at ntpdate too. |
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| 21:36.42 | dummie | h3sp4wn, lol, i didn't get that |
| 21:36.49 | dummie | can you reexplain that |
| 21:36.53 | Habbie | h3sp4wn, assuming that is true, that's not a factual difference between ata and scsi but a result of the scsi maffia hiking specs and prices :) |
| 21:37.10 | itchi | I was hopping for somethings like aptitude install < apps_to_install.txt |
| 21:37.13 | Habbie | dummie, h3sp4wn is trying to say that many companies do not sell their high end disks for sata, for marketing reasons |
| 21:37.43 | dummie | so scsi > sata? |
| 21:37.52 | itchi | I use my Bash trick, but guess there should be a other way to do the job |
| 21:37.54 | Toast | though the 10K RMP raptor disks are very fast. |
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| 21:38.14 | Habbie | dummie, well, these days it more and more often doesn't really matter - but if you want to put it that simply, yes, scsi > sata |
| 21:38.49 | cydork | itchi, you can aptitude install `cat filename` :P or you can use xargs. |
| 21:39.00 | Habbie | mm xargs |
| 21:39.03 | h3sp4wn | My home server uses scsi (because its not that powerful - 2 x p3 1ghz) but using fast scsi disks makes alot of difference |
| 21:39.16 | Habbie | h3sp4wn, so would using fast (s)ata disks :) |
| 21:39.28 | itchi | cydork: hhhmm, yeah, probably, i looking for somethings so |
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| 21:40.00 | Azar | :) |
| 21:40.04 | dummie | h3sp4wn, mines 2 x p3 1ghz |
| 21:40.09 | dummie | ibm intellistation |
| 21:40.13 | dummie | bought it from ebay |
| 21:40.28 | itchi | cydork: Cool, that's a bit more clear |
| 21:40.31 | h3sp4wn | Habbie: But scsi is independant of using the processor - I am not sure whether my lack of cpu power would make it alot slower (and the fact I have 64mb cache on the controller and 16mb per disk) |
| 21:40.43 | Toast | ntpdate worked a treat. Thanks. |
| 21:40.46 | Habbie | h3sp4wn, udma is not that much worse - same for sata |
| 21:41.53 | dummie | does it even matter if i use scsi or *ata ? |
| 21:42.07 | dummie | coz this computer has a scsi controller |
| 21:42.19 | h3sp4wn | Habbie: I get almost what the controller is speced at with the scsi ones (160) (with hdparm -tT) with my ata133 320gb 16mb cache card in my desktop which is alot newer I get only about 90 |
| 21:42.36 | kritical | I'm making a monitoring box.. it's got gdm+xorg+iceweasel as a gui... the screen turns off after a certain time, almost like a screen saver, anyone know where the configuration for this would be? |
| 21:43.18 | Azar | itchi, in /usr/share/doc/aptitude there is a README file, you can learn from it |
| 21:43.18 | stew | kritical: /msg dpkg screen blanking |
| 21:43.33 | Habbie | h3sp4wn, cool :) |
| 21:44.59 | itchi | Azar: Yeah that will be are helfull, it's not yet so long time i use this now |
| 21:45.29 | Azar | itchi a great way to fill your time with. |
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| 21:47.16 | itchi | Azar: I like to read in the evening and about great stuff :-) |
| 21:47.18 | krazykit | bleh. seems libdcop-perl doesn't exist in sid... |
| 21:47.42 | Azar | itchi, is better you read is soon, so you get savy faster |
| 21:48.09 | itchi | Azar: That's sure, maybe i need to remove Synaptic too ;-) |
| 21:48.29 | Azar | itchi: read first then take decisions, read that README file |
| 21:49.02 | itchi | Azar: There are so many great stuff, it's difficult some time to take desisions haha. No i should use aptitude, i'm sure now |
| 21:49.16 | Azar | itchi, please, read the file |
| 21:49.29 | itchi | Azar: I try to do it hehe |
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| 21:50.20 | Azar | itchi: good now you do not need to ask about aptitude, you know where to find the help : in the README file |
| 21:50.40 | itchi | Azar: hehe ;-) |
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| 21:55.11 | malverian | Is there any good documentation for setting up RSBAC/GRSecurity/SELinux in Debian Etch? |
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| 21:55.29 | abrotman | there's an selinux package |
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| 21:56.23 | malverian | abrotman: Don't need to pass special kernel params? |
| 21:57.37 | eldowan | Recently, I noticed that sudo does not allow some commands that it used to. Currently I cannot issue 'sudo ifconfig' I get 'sudo: ifconfig: command not found' but the command works with 'su -c ifconfig'. What gives, and is there a way to fix this? my /etc/sudoers shows my username with ALL=(ALL) ALL. I'm running Etch, uname -r --> 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 21:57.56 | abrotman | read the docs ... |
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| 21:59.13 | Toast | does etch install a firewall by default? |
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| 22:00.07 | pihhan | no i think |
| 22:00.39 | stew | Toast: no |
| 22:00.50 | pihhan | eldowan, strange, it does work to me in testing |
| 22:00.55 | cydork | Toast, iptables is installed but no rules are there.. |
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| 22:01.00 | Toast | Thanks. |
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| 22:02.14 | iostream | Hi. I have a server with multiple IP's (ip aliasing), many servers does not allow you to specify what IP to bind to, so I was thinking about if it would be possible to use iptables to ensure that all outgoing traffic is rewritten to be sent from a specific IP? |
| 22:02.36 | iostream | That should read, "may services does not" |
| 22:02.56 | eldowan | pihhan: It turns out that I needed to add /sbin to my path. |
| 22:03.40 | pihhan | iostream, SNAT should work for OUTGOING also |
| 22:03.50 | Habbie | iostream, uhm, just about any service can bind to specific IPs, what services are you having trouble with? |
| 22:03.59 | iostream | Habbie: Munin for instance. |
| 22:04.07 | pihhan | iostream, its experimental i think, but it should work somehow |
| 22:04.08 | Habbie | hmm, never touched that |
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| 22:05.07 | pihhan | eldowan, i dont have /sbin in my path for sure |
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| 22:05.25 | eldowan | pihhan: Are you sure? |
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| 22:05.48 | pihhan | eldowan, sure |
| 22:06.37 | eldowan | pihhan: I don't want to sound like a broken record, but I am now curious as to a few things. Could you check your PATH, and make sure. Also, what version of sudo are you using? |
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| 22:08.50 | pihhan | ihhan@server-test:~$ sudo env | grep PATH |
| 22:08.50 | pihhan | PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin |
| 22:08.50 | pihhan | pihhan@server-test:~$ env | grep PATH |
| 22:08.51 | pihhan | PATH=/home/pihhan/bin:/usr/local/magicbox/host-i386/bin:/home/pihhan/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games:/usr/local/lib/java/bin:/usr/local/lib/java/bin |
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| 22:09.25 | pihhan | oh |
| 22:09.33 | pihhan | 4 lines are too much :) |
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| 22:09.48 | Habbie | indeed |
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| 22:10.41 | kdawg | anyone seen a smb mount point dissappear when the share is mounted? |
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| 22:12.54 | Stardust | kdawg try to set permissions |
| 22:13.46 | eldowan | pihhan: Thanks, BTW which version of sudo are you using? |
| 22:13.48 | sandman | Is it just me, or has there been very few security updates to testing? |
| 22:14.07 | pihhan | Sudo version 1.6.8p12 |
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| 22:14.14 | Stardust | hi, how to set mouse to be slower (less sensitive)? kde can speed it up only. I have the slowest option 1.0 and it is still to fast |
| 22:14.31 | eldowan | pihhan: Thanks very much. That is the same version as I have. Now I get to go play sleuth... |
| 22:14.38 | kdawg | Stardust: hmm. didn't think that would be an issue. running the command as root. |
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| 22:16.31 | zaphands | Hello. Wodim (cdrecord clone) was not complied with the -clone option. How can I get wodim with all the options compiled? |
| 22:17.23 | Guerin | zaphands: build it yourself - /msg dpkg simple sid backport. Before building it, edit the makefile (debian/rules) |
| 22:17.43 | Guerin | zaphands: might pay to see why it was built weithout, though |
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| 22:18.28 | zaphands | Erm.. I don't know how to build packages on debian.. |
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| 22:19.00 | zaphands | can I just download the source and simply make? |
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| 22:19.32 | streuner | zaphands: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 22:20.43 | silya | Hi all! anyone heard anything about sams (squid account management system)? If yes, what your personal opinion? |
| 22:20.47 | zaphands | Thanks. |
| 22:21.15 | Renfield | I have just installed Debian etch. When I go to log in all I get is a light blue screen and the mouse pointer. From a console window I see that metacity is running, but it never displays to the screen. |
| 22:21.31 | Guerin | zaphands: doing it the debian way is no harder, and won't break your system |
| 22:21.41 | stealth | anyone know how to apt-get wlanctl-ng im not finding it.. isnt this part of the linux-wlan project? |
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| 22:21.49 | Guerin | Renfield: run something that's not gnome |
| 22:21.55 | Guerin | Renfield: seems like it's barfing |
| 22:22.16 | zaphands | Guerin: It is not intuitive either. |
| 22:22.40 | zaphands | I have no idea who sid is. |
| 22:22.43 | Guerin | zaphands: it's not designed to be intuitive, it's designed to be robust. |
| 22:22.57 | Renfield | Guerin I get the same thing with twm. |
| 22:23.02 | Guerin | zaphands: it's intended for people who are already comfortable with debian. |
| 22:23.12 | Guerin | Renfield: hm, funky. |
| 22:23.16 | abrotman | comfortable is an understatement |
| 22:23.18 | Stardust | zaphands: sid is Debian unstable |
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| 22:24.02 | sanmarcos | abrotman! |
| 22:24.08 | Stardust | zaphands: the name is from Toy story - the bad character |
| 22:24.28 | JordiGH | Say, I want to learn how to setup a Debian network. A bunch of machines without local users, the NFS file system, setting up one of the local machines to be an apt-proxy. Where should I begin reading? |
| 22:24.29 | zaphands | :-) |
| 22:24.37 | JordiGH | sid is the kid who breaks toys. |
| 22:24.38 | JordiGH | !sid |
| 22:24.39 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 22:24.40 | Renfield | Guerin Oh, wait nevermind. I'm used to twm bringin up a few windows but this didn't. I do see the twm menu though. |
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| 22:27.04 | zaphands | ok. Now i have the cdrkit_1.0.orig.tar.gz, .dsc, .diff.gz, and directory. What do I do with it? |
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| 22:27.58 | cydork | zaphands, did you read the factoid? |
| 22:28.07 | zaphands | I have no resulting debs. |
| 22:28.16 | zaphands | factoid? |
| 22:28.23 | JordiGH | dpkg, factoid. |
| 22:28.23 | dpkg | it has been said that factoid is something resembling a fact or unverified (often invented) information that is given credibility because it appeared in print or a brief (usually one sentence and usually trivial) news item, or often-repeated info, stored to keep people from having to repeatedly explain something This thing you're reading right now is called a "factoid". |
| 22:28.30 | evilbulgarian | hi, is this "http://www.falkotimme.com/howtos/debian_bind_chroot/" still valid chrooting bind9 install for etch? or is it just for sarge/woody |
| 22:28.53 | zaphands | where can I find that factoid? |
| 22:29.12 | cydork | !tell zaphands -about simple sid backport |
| 22:29.14 | JordiGH | zaphands: I just walked in, but I presume that dpkg gave you information ("factoid") on how to do something. |
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| 22:30.11 | zaphands | Ah.. I missed an option. Thanks. |
| 22:30.17 | JordiGH | Oh, the -b flag is for building? Will that work as a backport? |
| 22:30.18 | eldowan | is there no difference in !tell <user> about <factoid> and !tell <user> -about <factoid>? |
| 22:30.30 | JordiGH | !tell eldowan -about factoid |
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| 22:30.33 | geo-rge | I'm trying to get dri going, and I need to know what the xfree86 dri extension is and how to install it |
| 22:30.33 | cydork | eldowan, there is |
| 22:30.34 | JordiGH | !tell eldowan about factoid |
| 22:30.51 | JordiGH | eldowan: As far as I can tell, the dash-tell doesn't echo back to me what dpkg told you. |
| 22:31.15 | geo-rge | eldowan: also see: /msg dpkg nsg the bot for helpers |
| 22:31.33 | geo-rge | err msg the bot for helpers (not nsg) |
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| 22:35.20 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:35.20 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:35.29 | zaphands | ok. so how do I install the built wodim. can I simply clean the mess it created in my home directory? |
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| 22:37.50 | sadrul | anyone can please tell me why I keep getting this: http://pastebin.ca/261867 |
| 22:38.38 | cydork | zaphands, yep |
| 22:38.41 | itchi | Why write we somethings like ``foo'' especially these `` '' ? |
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| 22:39.02 | sven_ | they are quotation marks.. duh :) |
| 22:39.04 | geo-rge | itchi: in what language |
| 22:39.19 | Guerin | itchi: because a ` is an opening quote and a ' is a closing |
| 22:39.37 | geo-rge | m4 uses that kind of quoting (single, not double) as an example |
| 22:39.43 | Guerin | itchi: quotes ARE actually different - this becomes particularly important when typesetting or such |
| 22:40.01 | Guerin | many office packages do it for you, which is bad and evil |
| 22:40.09 | itchi | geo-rge: In the /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README |
| 22:40.32 | geo-rge | so by "we" you mean? |
| 22:40.38 | itchi | Guerin: Yeah, i not realy understand, what's wrong with 'foo' ? |
| 22:40.41 | h3sp4wn | if you give someone a command like ``echo foo'' then they can execute it without the quotation marks in the shell and it will still work (I only use it if attempting to someone who may not type the right command otherwise |
| 22:40.50 | zaphands | Thanks everyone! |
| 22:40.53 | zaphands | good night. |
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| 22:40.58 | Guerin | itchi: ' is a closed quote |
| 22:41.05 | h3sp4wn | or with makes no difference |
| 22:41.16 | Guerin | itchi: allow me to demonstrate using tex |
| 22:41.17 | itchi | Guerin: ah, that differ then? okay |
| 22:42.20 | bokey | does anyone really know if for a simple standalone computer we need famd, inetd, portmap, rpc.statd running ???? I don't see any point in running them. |
| 22:42.35 | sven_ | depends on your needs |
| 22:42.44 | sven_ | do you know what those are? |
| 22:42.49 | bokey | sven_: I don't have any server or such. |
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| 22:42.58 | bokey | sven_: not all of them |
| 22:43.02 | sven_ | okay |
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| 22:43.10 | sven_ | portmap and rpc.statd are typically for nfs |
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| 22:43.22 | sven_ | inetd for certain network services. check /etc/inetd.conf |
| 22:43.25 | bokey | sven_: i don't think i need inetd |
| 22:43.28 | sven_ | and famd is a file alteration monitor |
| 22:43.36 | bokey | sven_: yeah, i know |
| 22:43.39 | sven_ | then disable it. i have. |
| 22:43.57 | bokey | sven_: just wanted to know if this bloody famd is really what it is upto ? |
| 22:44.29 | bokey | sven_: i can't trust any process that listens on even on my localhost :/ |
| 22:44.38 | sven_ | why not? |
| 22:44.45 | sven_ | is paranoia out to get you? :) |
| 22:44.54 | Habbie | it's not paranoia if it bites you |
| 22:45.12 | bokey | sven_: this file alteration monitor is such a dick. i hate it. |
| 22:45.26 | sven_ | then kick it out |
| 22:45.50 | bokey | sven_: so little documentation. makes it look like a trojan. =) |
| 22:46.03 | mick_home | heh |
| 22:46.07 | sven_ | well, it is not |
| 22:46.20 | sven_ | if it's the real famd, that is. |
| 22:46.40 | bokey | sven_: i know it's not.. just joking =) |
| 22:46.50 | helo | assuming this is the real #debian... |
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| 22:47.59 | bokey | helo: where's the fake one ? |
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| 22:49.58 | treitter | I've modified the source in a source package (with patches already applied), and I'm trying to create a new package from it using dpkg-buildpackage -- am I supposed to create a patch of my changes vs. the original and add that as a .diff file, or should I be running this with all patches (and my changes) applied? |
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| 22:50.44 | treitter | (I've followed the instructions at the Debian New Maintainer document, but I don't recall it saying anything about patches) |
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| 22:53.11 | franki | i suddenly get the following error if i do aptitude update or apt-get update There are no public key available for the following key IDs: A70DAF536070D3A1, but i installed the keys for the apt-sources 2 weeks ago |
| 22:53.16 | franki | what could be the problem |
| 22:53.26 | madman215 | anyone know anything about logitech quickcam chat and sarge? |
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| 22:56.21 | ribnitz | heyas |
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| 22:57.14 | ribnitz | Is there an easy way to configure ecim4 in such a way that in sees dictionary attacks even when the <> sender is used? |
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| 22:57.57 | eldowan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:59.10 | henrie | my scanner works under root, but not under regular user |
| 22:59.15 | henrie | how do i set privs |
| 22:59.25 | henrie | scanner is /dev/sg2 |
| 22:59.35 | kingsley | Why would some lines in .ssh/known_hosts be prefaced with "|1|" instead of a recognizable domain name or IP address? |
| 22:59.47 | ribnitz | henrie: suid 4755, I think |
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| 23:00.18 | kingsley | henrie: man chmod |
| 23:00.29 | henrie | i know chmod |
| 23:00.48 | henrie | but chmod +r+w /dev/sg2 doesn't do the job |
| 23:00.50 | ribnitz | henrie: use suid. |
| 23:01.07 | sven_ | kingsley: i thought about that today. i think you'll just have to get the source and find out |
| 23:01.12 | sven_ | i was too lazy |
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| 23:06.44 | geo-rge | henrie: doesn't do the job? why? |
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| 23:07.38 | geo-rge | foofoofoobar |
| 23:07.59 | dn4 | oh snap I hear the RIAA is going to ban all file sharing on the internet!! |
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| 23:08.22 | geo-rge | are they a govt agency? |
| 23:08.43 | stew | kingsley: at some point recently they changed the default to hash the entries in .known_hosts so that a wrongdoer couldn't figure out what hosts you have access to easily. this can be disabled clientside in ssh_config |
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| 23:08.58 | stew | kingsley: or .ssh/config |
| 23:09.28 | kingsley | sven_: See what stew wrote. |
| 23:09.34 | kingsley | stew: Thank you. |
| 23:09.39 | geo-rge | btw, isn't it "oh snap yo"? |
| 23:09.58 | stew | sven_: kingsley: man ssh_config and look at "HashKnownHosts" |
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| 23:11.37 | kingsley | stew: Sweet. Thanks. |
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| 23:12.24 | heh_v_water | has anyone ever dealt with htis m4 stuff before? configure.ac:96: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_PROG_JAVA |
| 23:12.35 | tuv | is anyone else having problems with xmms or is it just me? xmms doesn't start here. says: 'Gdk-ERROR **: BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)\n serial 2454 error_code 8 request_code 72 minor_code 0' and uses 100% cpu doing nothing |
| 23:13.15 | kingsley | tuv: Have you search google's web and usenet archives for that error message? |
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| 23:15.38 | streuner | tuv: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:15.40 | tuv | kingsley, one post suggests it has to do with aiglx stuff, which i enabled recently |
| 23:15.59 | streuner | oh |
| 23:16.04 | tuv | streuner, 2.3.6.ds1-8 |
| 23:16.13 | streuner | so there is nothing in BTS too? |
| 23:17.49 | tuv | streuner, there is a really too long list of bugs in BTS, but haven't noticed a related bug there so far |
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| 23:19.40 | streuner | so that happens only in xmms and other app just work? |
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| 23:21.19 | streuner | well, aiglx is in debian, IIRC, so just file a bugreport then |
| 23:21.44 | plugwash | there is a guy on the debian forums insisting that you don't need a smp kernel to exploit a dual core processor and i was pretty sure you did |
| 23:21.50 | plugwash | who's right? |
| 23:21.59 | simonrvn | um, yeh, you do |
| 23:22.09 | stew | plugwash: you need a smp kernel, and all debian kernels are smp kernels as of 2.6.17 |
| 23:22.14 | simonrvn | there's no code to use the 2nd core otherwise |
| 23:22.28 | simonrvn | (well, it's not compiled in ;) |
| 23:22.29 | geo-rge | that would be one way to go... but then if you read the bug reports you'd know if another one needs to be filed... |
| 23:22.42 | plugwash | simonrvn i thought so too but i'm having trouble finding a source to back it up |
| 23:23.15 | simonrvn | smp linux kernel treats the second core as a second cpu, which it pretty much is... what's not to grok? |
| 23:23.19 | Habbie | i'm pretty sure you need SMP, yes |
| 23:23.21 | geo-rge | look at it from the other side: if you file without reading, then you could be adding to the length of the bug list for the next guy, who will refuse to read the list just like you and then file away... and so it goes |
| 23:23.51 | plugwash | simonrvn thats exactly what i thought |
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| 23:24.10 | plugwash | but there is a guy on the forums insisting otherwise hence i'd like a reliable source to prove him wrong |
| 23:24.11 | plugwash | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=10380&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0 |
| 23:24.36 | simonrvn | tell him to read the kernel code ;) |
| 23:24.44 | simonrvn | no better source than that |
| 23:24.45 | geo-rge | so if the other guy has any inkling of correctness, then linux-sans-smp will at the very lowest will see the first one... what would it do with the second? anything? |
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| 23:24.53 | simonrvn | nothing |
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| 23:25.03 | Habbie | geo-rge, nothing at all |
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| 23:25.12 | simonrvn | it will ignore it, since it does not have capability to *use* the second |
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| 23:25.25 | Habbie | it won't even, in fact, initialize the second |
| 23:25.27 | geo-rge | I wonder if it could be arranged that the second core do nothing but ide i/o |
| 23:25.35 | tosh| | I setup a bunch of pure-ftpd virtual users, created the correct local user, did a pure-pw makedb, trying to login with it but im still getting login failed... what am I missing? |
| 23:25.39 | simonrvn | no |
| 23:25.56 | simonrvn | *nothing* can use it in a sp kernel |
| 23:26.20 | geo-rge | ok, howbout with an smp kernel? |
| 23:26.29 | Stardust | How can I turn off the messages like "user blabla joined the room debian" in GAIM? |
| 23:26.44 | blondie | ask in #gaim or something |
| 23:26.47 | simonrvn | write a patch, submit it |
| 23:26.53 | blondie | btw, it's a channel not a room. |
| 23:26.54 | blondie | !room |
| 23:26.55 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:27.25 | simonrvn | but, that's why processors are put on ide/scsi/other cards anyway... what's the point |
| 23:27.26 | Stardust | !room |
| 23:27.26 | dpkg | CHANNEL! |
| 23:27.34 | streuner | Stardust: did you try '/ignore' ? |
| 23:27.50 | simonrvn | /ignore * joins |
| 23:27.54 | simonrvn | or something |
| 23:28.04 | henrie | geo-rge: i found the problem. my syntax wasn't right: should've been chmod a+rw /dev/sg2 |
| 23:28.08 | henrie | now works fine |
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| 23:28.28 | geo-rge | blondie: maybe the message he posted here was the exact text of the message he got... |
| 23:28.42 | clars | where do I download "testing" cd_minimal_iso frome? |
| 23:28.58 | streuner | !tell clars about d-i |
| 23:28.58 | blondie | geo-rge: doesn't make it correct ;P |
| 23:29.16 | clars | streuner, ?? |
| 23:29.34 | geo-rge | blondie: yes it would. he would have passed the message exactly as he got it. |
| 23:29.45 | streuner | clars: the second URL is for etch debian-installer (d-i)... |
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| 23:30.13 | streuner | clars: or just visit www.debian.org and search there |
| 23:30.48 | solars | hi, how can I remove apache from autostarting (don't need it all the time), as I understand update-rc.d remove removes the startup script too |
| 23:30.49 | clars | streuner, thanks :-) |
| 23:30.54 | streuner | np |
| 23:31.14 | stew | solars: update-rc.d -f apache remove |
| 23:31.40 | stew | solars: update-rc.d doens't remove the startup script |
| 23:31.49 | solars | ah |
| 23:31.52 | solars | alright, thank you |
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| 23:33.36 | geo-rge | solars: man update-rc.d and find out what it does... that seems easy, right? |
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| 23:34.00 | solars | geo-rge, thats what I did |
| 23:34.32 | geo-rge | so you see things in there saying it does remove the init.d/script? |
| 23:35.03 | solars | its okay, I got it, thanks for caring |
| 23:35.39 | geo-rge | if you do, that would be a bug... you should check the bts to see if such a bug has already been filed, and do so if not |
| 23:35.57 | tosh| | anyone know what it means when pure-ftpd gives you "sorry I can't trust you" in the messages file when trying to login with a virtual user? |
| 23:36.19 | geo-rge | the man page doesn't fully explain? |
| 23:36.27 | solars | lol |
| 23:37.00 | geo-rge | again, bug... file if not already done |
| 23:37.02 | stoned | good evening |
| 23:37.08 | stew | geo-rge: there is no bug |
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| 23:37.18 | stew | geo-rge: what bug are you claiming might exist? |
| 23:37.24 | solars | at least he's entertaining |
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| 23:37.57 | treitter | is anyone here familiar with building a debian package from a debian source tarball? |
| 23:38.06 | stew | treitter: /msg dpkg source |
| 23:38.06 | geo-rge | treitter: |
| 23:38.12 | geo-rge | debian/rules clean |
| 23:38.16 | geo-rge | debian/rules build |
| 23:38.19 | geo-rge | debian/rules binary |
| 23:38.25 | dondelelcaro | geo-rge: just fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
| 23:38.37 | DaveyB_ | what;s the command to shred a file in debian? |
| 23:38.44 | geo-rge | rm |
| 23:38.45 | dondelelcaro | DaveyB_: wipe foofile; or shred foofile; |
| 23:38.52 | DaveyB_ | thankyou dondek |
| 23:38.57 | DaveyB_ | dondelelcaro, SORRY |
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| 23:39.14 | dondelelcaro | DaveyB_: you'll also find irssi works better... |
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| 23:43.16 | tuv | streuner, AFAIK, it's only xmms. i'm not sure yet if it is AIGLX, and i dont feel it is, but that is a possiblity |
| 23:43.26 | sphenxes | I am copying 40 GB to my external hard dirve. It will take about 4 hours. I find it very slow. my question is the transfer rate is normal or it is to slow and I am doing something worng. "External hard drive Chili green, using USB 2.0" |
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| 23:43.53 | streuner | tuv: there is an easy way to test that :-) |
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| 23:44.55 | pickcoder | sphenxes: how do you know it will take 4 hours? |
| 23:45.16 | jelly | sphenxes: what filesystem are you using? Is it mounted with "sync" option? |
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| 23:45.33 | sphenxes | pickcoder, copying file xx form xxx 3:35 min remaining |
| 23:45.44 | sphenxes | jelly, ext3 |
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| 23:45.48 | philip | CYLONS!! |
| 23:45.49 | tuv | streuner, i know, but i don't feel like restarting my X now. i thought someone else might have run into the same problems. seems no one uses xmms and AIGLX |
| 23:46.07 | streuner | plenty of people :-) |
| 23:46.11 | jelly | philip: not to worry, there are twelve models |
| 23:46.22 | philip | jelly, I heard they have a plan... |
| 23:46.24 | streuner | it seems cool nowdays to run aiglx :-) |
| 23:46.33 | treitter | geo-rge, dondelelcaro: I took an existing debian source tarball, applied the patches, and then made my modifications to a few source files. I made a patch out of those changes (compared to the last version, after applying the existing patching), then took a pre-patched debian source tarball, added my patch to debian/patches and added it to the end of debian/patches/00list |
| 23:46.44 | tuv | streuner, yeah.. but xmms is not as cool |
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| 23:47.26 | treitter | geo-rge, dondelelcaro: but now when I do "fakeroot debian/rules clean binary" it gets through all the patches but mine, then complains about it being an "unreversed patch". Do either of you know what I did wrong? |
| 23:47.49 | jelly | sphenxes: what does mount | grep /where/ever/mount/point say, is it mounted with sync option? |
| 23:48.46 | sphenxes | /dev/sda2 on /media/usbdisk type subfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,fs=ext3) |
| 23:48.46 | sphenxes | /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk_1 type subfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,fs=floppyfss,procuid,utf8=true) |
| 23:48.52 | treitter | geo-rge, dondelelcaro: actually, I think it hits my patch first |
| 23:49.00 | sphenxes | jelly, /dev/sda2 on /media/usbdisk type subfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,fs=ext3) |
| 23:49.00 | sphenxes | /dev/sda1 on /media/usbdisk_1 type subfs (rw,nosuid,nodev,sync,fs=floppyfss,procuid,utf8=true) |
| 23:49.09 | jelly | sphenxes: that's it, pmount uses sync by default |
| 23:49.31 | sphenxes | jelly, can I do anything to make it quicker |
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| 23:49.45 | jelly | sphenxes: try (as root, without stopping the copy): mount -o remount,async /media/usbdisk |
| 23:49.54 | sphenxes | jelly, thanks |
| 23:49.57 | bismark | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 192.168.10.12:80 ->why is not working? |
| 23:50.06 | bismark | any idea? |
| 23:50.08 | abrotman | ask #iptables |
| 23:50.50 | jelly | sphenxes: when your external disks are mounted with async option be extra careful not to eject/disconnect them without unmounting first. |
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| 23:53.26 | sphenxes | jelly, thanks, i think it is getting quicker right now. but what is the different between sync and async |
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| 23:54.09 | pickcoder | bismark: you have to specify a destination IP with the destination port |
| 23:54.18 | pickcoder | unless you want to just redirect |
| 23:54.47 | pickcoder | which is a different jump keyword |
| 23:55.14 | jelly | sphenxes: with sync, every write() to the device forces the data to be flushed to the metal and metadata updated. Thus you lose all the speedup provided by journalling and filesystem cache |
| 23:55.28 | bismark | pickcoder, but that is correct :( |
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| 23:55.45 | sphenxes | jelly, thanks once more |
| 23:55.57 | pickcoder | no it's not |
| 23:56.13 | pickcoder | -d aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd --dport 80 |
| 23:56.41 | pickcoder | aaa.bbb.ccc.ddd is the address requests for port 80 are hitting |
| 23:57.58 | bismark | iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -d 10.128.50.110 -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 10.7.21.10:80 |
| 23:58.00 | bismark | pickcoder, ? |
| 23:58.02 | tictac | hmm. why doesnt firefox (iceweasel) have my bookmarks, file menu bar, etc? |
| 23:58.11 | pickcoder | right |
| 23:58.25 | pickcoder | normally, you put IP and port switches together to make it easier to read |
| 23:58.57 | pickcoder | -p tcp has to come before the --dport specification though |
| 23:59.44 | jelly | sphenxes: (np) however, you can disconnect the usb device and lose relatively little or no data. With async it's very easy to lose data and corrupt the fs if you disconnect it while it's still being used. I do "eject /media/sdb" before disconnecting the USB HDD, that does the unmounting and I hear the distinct click of parking of the HDD head. |
