| 00:00.11 | JordiGH | experimental is never installed unless you very specifically request it. |
| 00:00.30 | shadowarts | azeem, thanks, that seems to be what i wanted |
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| 00:02.10 | unlink | azeem: (not in experimental) |
| 00:02.16 | daveian | okay another question :) |
| 00:02.23 | unlink | azeem: (the version is the same as the one in unstanble) |
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| 00:02.46 | JordiGH | Sweet! |
| 00:02.50 | JordiGH | !info blobwars |
| 00:02.52 | dpkg | blobwars: (A platform shooting game), section games, is optional. Version: 1.05-3 (sid), Packaged size: 7367 kB, Installed size: 7876 kB |
| 00:03.00 | JordiGH | Metal Blob Solid! |
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| 00:04.17 | daveian | lol is the ! that you guys put before a comment one that triggers dpkg to IM people? |
| 00:04.32 | JordiGH | It's for getting dpkg's attention. |
| 00:04.38 | daveian | lol seriously |
| 00:04.42 | daveian | is he a bot or something? |
| 00:04.44 | JordiGH | We can also get apt to do something similar with ~ |
| 00:04.53 | JordiGH | ~prize daveian |
| 00:04.58 | unlink | srsly |
| 00:04.59 | JordiGH | !prize daveian |
| 00:05.04 | JordiGH | dpkg, what are you? |
| 00:05.05 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
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| 00:05.17 | daveian | wow it's so easy for a n00b to get praise in this room |
| 00:05.30 | daveian | i feel like a celebrity...wow you guys are too kind *rolls eyes* |
| 00:05.33 | JordiGH | apt, test |
| 00:05.34 | apt | Test Passed! |
| 00:05.42 | JordiGH | apt, prize me. |
| 00:05.43 | azeem | unlink: which package and arch? |
| 00:05.43 | mrec | hi, does anyone know a voip application that works behind 2 nat connections? (something beside skype since it doesn't support alsa properly) |
| 00:05.54 | JordiGH | I guess apt doesn't give prizes... :-( |
| 00:06.01 | unlink | azeem: libc6/i386 |
| 00:06.28 | azeem | unlink: http://packages.debian.org/libc6 says otherwise |
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| 00:07.12 | slept | quitte, are you awake ? |
| 00:08.33 | unlink | azeem: oh |
| 00:08.40 | unlink | ~$ sudo apt-get -t experimental install libc6 |
| 00:08.43 | unlink | libc6 is already the newest version. |
| 00:08.52 | azeem | what does dpkg -l libc6 say? |
| 00:09.08 | unlink | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:09.19 | azeem | unlink: did you run apt-get update |
| 00:09.34 | unlink | yes |
| 00:09.51 | azeem | and did you add experimental to sources.list? |
| 00:09.54 | unlink | yes |
| 00:10.12 | unlink | apt-cache show mentions the new version |
| 00:10.12 | azeem | what does apt-cache policy libc6 say? |
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| 00:10.53 | unlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.53 | unlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:10.53 | unlink | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:11.30 | azeem | then it appears to be a matter of pinning |
| 00:11.35 | unlink | oh |
| 00:11.38 | azeem | try libc6=2.5-0exp3 |
| 00:11.47 | azeem | as argument to apt-get install |
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| 00:12.18 | unlink | no it's my fault, i changed the pin priorities awhile ago |
| 00:14.02 | unlink | azeem: all right. inotification. |
| 00:14.06 | unlink | azeem: thanks. |
| 00:14.22 | azeem | cheers |
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| 00:15.50 | unlink | hmm, new libc gives me Conditional jump or move depends on uninitialised value(s) valgrind errors |
| 00:17.03 | shadowarts | when is the next debian coming out? |
| 00:17.09 | cydork | !wwer |
| 00:17.09 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
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| 00:17.34 | unlink | lol, libc6-dbg *doesn't* give me the errors |
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| 00:21.04 | box | I need to buy a PCI SATA controller card that will work with debian. Which ones work best? |
| 00:21.05 | mike_ | mmmm Cannot find gnutella in etch repo's |
| 00:21.13 | mike_ | (*_*) |
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| 00:23.37 | box | I need to buy a PCI SATA controller card that will work with debian. Which ones work best? |
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| 00:24.58 | w0rd54 | box: a lot of them work with debian |
| 00:25.08 | w0rd54 | it's based upon kernel....just buy one from compusa/bestbuy |
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| 00:25.17 | w0rd54 | and if it doesn't work with kernel 2.6, take it back to the store and get another :P |
| 00:25.21 | w0rd54 | chances are it'll work with no issues |
| 00:25.36 | Azar | box the upcoming Etch and its kernel will fully support sata. About two months from now |
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| 00:26.18 | box | Is there one has noticeably better linux support than the rest? |
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| 00:26.46 | Azar | box define.. your sentence does not make snse |
| 00:26.49 | Azar | *sense |
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| 00:27.59 | box | Is there a SATA controller card with better linux support than others on the market? |
| 00:28.36 | struct | box: 3ware has good support |
| 00:28.52 | struct | box: lsi logic too but you need a newer kernel then 2.6.9 I think |
| 00:29.03 | Azar | box, as far as I know, you do not need to worry about the type. Right Now, the stable Debian is Sarge and its default kernel does not support Sata. Debian Etch the soon to be released version does support SATA |
| 00:29.33 | box | Using Sid 2.6 kernel |
| 00:29.48 | Azar | sid! well... that's another story |
| 00:30.12 | Azar | box, the 2.6.16 and up kernels support sata |
| 00:30.34 | liable | even 2.6.8 supports some sata cards |
| 00:30.35 | box | I Have a fast track 376 raid driver on my board and it sucks. |
| 00:30.40 | struct | Azar: you are wrong |
| 00:30.44 | Azar | "some" |
| 00:30.55 | struct | Azar: sarge kernel does support sata |
| 00:31.29 | Azar | struct, well on my experience, the Sarge installer CD never even boot on SATA |
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| 00:31.52 | Azar | so generally speaking, like liable said "some" SATA |
| 00:32.38 | struct | Azar: I have sarge installed on systems with 3ware cards |
| 00:32.55 | struct | Azar: I have sarge with a 2.6.12 kernel installed on systems with lsi logic sata cards |
| 00:32.58 | Azar | hehe just as a curiosity, Woody did booted the CD installer with SATA |
| 00:33.08 | struct | Azar: very funny |
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| 00:33.18 | struct | Azar: however partitioning and installing to the drives is what I meant |
| 00:33.20 | Azar | struct, yes 2.6.12, not the default 2.6.8 |
| 00:33.28 | struct | Azar: 3ware is default 2.6.8 |
| 00:33.31 | nonix4 | How do I force-reboot a 'puter remotely after it has Oops'd so that disk IO is frozen? |
| 00:33.43 | Azar | what is 3ware? |
| 00:33.45 | struct | Azar: works fine because 3ware controllers are supported in 2.6.8 |
| 00:33.58 | struct | http://www.3ware.com/ |
| 00:34.01 | Azar | ah |
| 00:34.04 | nonix4 | (shutdown goes in the D state indefinitely) |
| 00:34.11 | box | I'm looking into acard and rosewill SATA cards. Any one use them with debian? |
| 00:34.31 | struct | box: for sata? |
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| 00:34.44 | box | yes |
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| 00:35.08 | Azar | well funny enough, last year I got a brand new PC that had a SATA and I wanted to try the Sarge installer: never worked. So I installed Woody who was forgiving and let me do the base install. The cough started when I wanted to upgrade the kernel. :) |
| 00:35.09 | struct | box: a server? |
| 00:35.35 | struct | Azar: so just compile the newest kernel and upgrade |
| 00:35.37 | box | No a workstation. |
| 00:35.51 | struct | box: doesnt your motherboard have sata on it? |
| 00:36.19 | box | Fast track 376 raid controller |
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| 00:36.36 | struct | box: promise? |
| 00:36.51 | box | yes promise. |
| 00:36.53 | struct | box: is that why you want something else? |
| 00:37.07 | box | seems to work witrh red hat only |
| 00:37.07 | struct | promise sucks |
| 00:37.15 | struct | them and highpoint |
| 00:37.22 | struct | box: how much you looking to spend? |
| 00:37.22 | nonix4 | yeah, empty promises are just that. |
| 00:37.41 | box | Cheep if possible! |
| 00:37.59 | struct | box: I can only recommend products I know |
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| 00:38.06 | struct | box: 3ware and lsi logic |
| 00:38.18 | struct | box: 3ware is regarded as the best by many |
| 00:38.22 | struct | box: but they are expensive |
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| 00:39.28 | box | 3ware is like $125 from newegg |
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| 00:40.20 | box | lsi is well over $200 |
| 00:40.39 | box | anything under $100? |
| 00:41.02 | struct | box: there is lots under $100 but I cannot recommend any as I never used them |
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| 00:42.17 | Azar | hahahahaha this article is a killer o/t but worth: The INQ guide to the top five Novell mistakes http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=35965 |
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| 00:44.16 | box | Thanks Struct, Andnonix4 and everyone else. I guess I'll pick a cheep one and hope for luck. |
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| 00:45.41 | killown | I get access denied to squid when I put local ip firefox proxy configuration what I do to fix it?? |
| 00:46.37 | slept | how can i find out why my scp connection is so damn slow ? |
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| 00:46.54 | slept | i should have up to 325kb but i get 15 |
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| 00:47.35 | slept | when i start scp i have over 130 and then it slows down to 12 -15 ... |
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| 00:48.32 | struct | box: you can check in the kernel for linux support for whatever you are thinking of buying |
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| 00:48.55 | struct | slept: is the connection what it should be when you use ftp? |
| 00:48.57 | struct | slept: or http? |
| 00:49.05 | struct | slept: or some other non-encrypted protocol? |
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| 00:49.32 | slept | well only port 22 open on the server |
| 00:49.46 | mike_ | I have no "system sounds" in kde,etch? |
| 00:50.03 | struct | slept: scp connections are usually a lot slower because of the encryption overhead |
| 00:50.11 | struct | slept: sounds like your connection is much too slow though |
| 00:50.15 | slept | but it has 3 Mbit up and 1 down and i have round 4Mbit synchronus here |
| 00:50.35 | struct | slept: like I said it sounds much too slow |
| 00:50.48 | celenk2 | I'm having a strange problem with grub: I keep trying to add different entries for different OSes I install, but the only two that work are the Linux that installed grub (dreamlinux, debian based), and the Windows entry. For any other entry, grub just shows me "Booting '(Title-of-OS)'" then lists my grub entry for it (all the options like kernel (hd1,2)/boot/kernel etc) and just hangs. Has anyone had this problem or could sug |
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| 00:52.24 | slept | struct, any idea how i can find out where the slowdown occurs ? copying in the other direction is faster round 30 kb eventough it should be slower ... |
| 00:53.10 | struct | 30kb? |
| 00:53.32 | slept | per second |
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| 00:53.43 | struct | slept: 3mbit should be 300kb/s |
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| 00:55.03 | slept | struct, yes i know, i would accept it if i get 100kb - would be enough, but 12 sucks |
| 00:55.49 | struct | slept: 30kb sucks |
| 00:56.01 | struct | slept: especially if you are suppose to get 300kb |
| 00:56.10 | struct | slept: you sure you arent having connectivity problems? |
| 00:57.30 | slept | struct, well i dont know how to find out , my bandwidth varries strongly , i am on a university net somtimes i can download with 2MB/s and sometimes its just 300kb |
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| 00:59.05 | w0rd54 | slept: call your IT dept. at UNI and tell them you are sending some data out and ask what speed their line is |
| 00:59.22 | w0rd54 | say it's some mad XXX 0day pr0n straight from the dorms....and they can have a copy if they hook you up |
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| 00:59.35 | struct | slept: sounds like your connection is effected by usage |
| 00:59.37 | blondie | uni is not an acronym |
| 00:59.49 | struct | slept: in other words it suffers during peak usage times |
| 00:59.51 | w0rd54 | blondie: is STFU? |
| 01:00.01 | w0rd54 | :P |
| 01:00.07 | w0rd54 | jk |
| 01:00.11 | struct | hehe |
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| 01:00.32 | struct | w0rd54: he probably shouldnt tell them that |
| 01:01.13 | struct | it would be funny if he did though |
| 01:01.13 | blondie | struct: orly? |
| 01:01.13 | w0rd54 | lol why not? most .edu admins are laid back enough considering their lines get saturated with shit for 90% of the day |
| 01:01.14 | struct | I dont know |
| 01:01.17 | slept | struct, well my ip department does not care ... it took me 3 visits to get the irc port opend ... because of securety issues ... |
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| 01:01.28 | struct | I have not been in uni for like 8 years |
| 01:01.38 | struct | slept: ouch |
| 01:01.40 | w0rd54 | slept: BNC or vpn |
| 01:01.55 | blondie | I would think vpn is more likely to be locked down |
| 01:02.04 | w0rd54 | lol vpn locked down |
| 01:02.05 | w0rd54 | classic... |
| 01:02.11 | struct | slept: just route irc through ssh |
| 01:02.12 | w0rd54 | a good implementation of vpn on a common port |
| 01:02.15 | w0rd54 | is kinda hard to block :P |
| 01:02.36 | w0rd54 | .edu IT admins block ports and they think it really stops data flow |
| 01:02.39 | blondie | you can block based on traffic content as well as port number |
| 01:02.42 | w0rd54 | do a google search on http tunneling |
| 01:02.45 | w0rd54 | lol |
| 01:02.48 | w0rd54 | traffic content |
| 01:03.03 | w0rd54 | I'd make it out your firewall in like 2 mins |
| 01:03.10 | w0rd54 | if you allow http/ssh or https |
| 01:03.13 | slept | the say they are basically an ISP so they don't block anything .. i had to find out myselfy with traceroute and nmap and tell them that they are blocking things |
| 01:03.17 | w0rd54 | :P |
| 01:03.46 | struct | how can they block based on traffic content if its encrypted? |
| 01:03.49 | w0rd54 | can't inspect ssh/ssl traffic considering it's encrypted....and most likely port 23 or 22 is open for administration purposes |
| 01:03.53 | w0rd54 | struct: indeed |
| 01:04.04 | struct | they going to block encrypted data now? |
| 01:04.08 | struct | I would like to see that |
| 01:04.16 | w0rd54 | I think blondie uses a WWW based interface and believes the security b.s. that they were sold like 2 years ago |
| 01:04.16 | DerJamster | meh, as soon as port 80 is open to the outside you can tunnel out, really.. |
| 01:04.21 | struct | why dont they just cut their internet links and be done with it |
| 01:04.27 | DerJamster | 'to the outside' as in, 'outwards' |
| 01:04.32 | w0rd54 | yep |
| 01:04.33 | blondie | w0rd54: come back when you have a clue |
| 01:05.39 | w0rd54 | blondie....plz |
| 01:05.39 | blondie | "pls |
| 01:05.39 | blondie | !pls |
| 01:05.39 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 01:05.39 | w0rd54 | blondie: when I have an idea? |
| 01:05.40 | w0rd54 | blondie: I just mentioned http tunneling |
| 01:05.40 | struct | hehe |
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| 01:05.40 | blondie | and why would ports 22/23 be open from a student network for "administration" purposes? |
| 01:05.40 | Azar | Etch in the news! http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/11/21/1552223 |
| 01:05.44 | w0rd54 | blondie: port 23 and 22 tend to be open on most .edus |
| 01:06.04 | plugwash | grr iceweasel takes a long time to build |
| 01:06.11 | w0rd54 | blondie: and regardless.....you still can't stop http tunneling using port 80 or port 443 |
| 01:06.11 | MikeSee_MX3 | hello, i would like to try debian out... |
| 01:06.18 | blondie | I guess most places have poorer firewalling than I'm used to |
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| 01:06.36 | w0rd54 | blondie: poorer? didn't you correct me about acronyms earlier? |
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| 01:06.58 | w0rd54 | blondie: more poor....and 2ndly....read up....test your own network with some vengeance in your veins and you'd prolly prove yourself wrong |
| 01:07.11 | blondie | poorer is a perfectly valid word you tool |
| 01:07.38 | JordiGH | Ack. I did something strange with block devices trying to encrypt my USB pendrive. I followed the instrucions here: http://www.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/06/07/2036205 |
| 01:07.40 | MikeSee_MX3 | which iso's do i need to install debian with kde? |
| 01:07.47 | w0rd54 | got me there blondie :P |
| 01:08.03 | DerJamster | MikeSee_MX3: Got a good internet connection? |
| 01:08.04 | w0rd54 | still....your network doesn't block outwards tunneling or vpn'ing for that matter |
| 01:08.05 | JordiGH | I deleted /dev/mapper/usb-enc which is what I created with... something. |
| 01:08.14 | w0rd54 | blondie: so don't act like it does....k thx |
| 01:08.16 | blondie | you don't know that. we could block everything. |
| 01:08.16 | MikeSee_MX3 | DerJamster: i have cable.. |
| 01:08.19 | MikeSee_MX3 | so its alright |
| 01:08.26 | w0rd54 | blondie: so you block www traffic? |
| 01:08.31 | DerJamster | MikeSee_MX3: I suggest getting the netinstall iso then. just 100mbs, and you can install whatever you want. |
| 01:08.32 | w0rd54 | blondie: and you block ssh traffic? |
| 01:08.33 | JordiGH | At any rate, mkfs will refuse to make a new partition in my usb pendrive, saying someone is using /dev/sda1, although it's not mounted. |
| 01:08.39 | liable | !tell MikeSee_MX3 about d-i |
| 01:08.40 | Azar | yepee! :) |
| 01:08.48 | MikeSee_MX3 | whoa |
| 01:08.49 | blondie | I said *could*, and yes until very recently ALL outgoing access was blocked :P |
| 01:08.53 | peteweez | OH! JordiGH! I know what's wrong |
| 01:09.10 | liable | MikeSee_MX3: just get the first iso or the netinst if you have good net connection |
| 01:09.10 | peteweez | did you cryptsetup remove /usb/mapper/jordi ? |
| 01:09.11 | w0rd54 | blondie: lol....yeah then you are privately network offering no internet |
| 01:09.24 | JordiGH | No. |
| 01:09.24 | peteweez | What went wrong with it anyway? |
| 01:09.41 | w0rd54 | blondie: either way....if you allow access outgoing, a good chance it can be broken thru with a 1st year students knowledge |
| 01:09.42 | JordiGH | I realised that I wanted to partition my usb pendrive after all. I haven't setup encryption in my home box yet, which is offline. |
| 01:09.46 | h3sp4wn | w0rd54: Real vpn's use ipsec which can quite easily be blocked - with a ppp over ssh vpn on port 443 you can get tcp traffic out of any network |
| 01:10.02 | grew | 'real vpns' |
| 01:10.06 | w0rd54 | lol real vpns |
| 01:10.09 | peteweez | JordiGH: Ah, oops. Well then, just execute the command I gave and you'll be fine. |
| 01:10.10 | w0rd54 | what's a real vpn to you? |
| 01:10.19 | w0rd54 | cisco? |
| 01:10.22 | h3sp4wn | Following the standards interoperable |
| 01:10.27 | grew | frankly i dont like ipsec |
| 01:10.33 | w0rd54 | yeah I don't like ipsec either |
| 01:10.37 | w0rd54 | a) since it can be blocked |
| 01:10.40 | grew | imo openvpn > ipsec |
| 01:10.47 | JordiGH | peteweez: Er. I already rm'ed that device. :-/ |
| 01:10.48 | DerJamster | Real vpns chew tobacco and have '<3 net' tatoos, duh. |
| 01:10.48 | w0rd54 | openvpn > ipsec anyday of the week |
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| 01:11.05 | grew | which would be a 'real vpn' |
| 01:11.12 | grew | good luck blocking that |
| 01:11.14 | peteweez | JordiGH: you rm'ed it manually? |
| 01:11.18 | w0rd54 | grew: agreed |
| 01:11.25 | peteweez | as in rm /usb/mapper/jordi |
| 01:11.33 | JordiGH | peteweez: Yes. :-/ |
| 01:11.44 | peteweez | try recreating it |
| 01:11.49 | w0rd54 | it's funny to hear opensource solutions disregarded in an "opensource" channel |
| 01:11.50 | peteweez | then remove it again |
| 01:12.08 | JordiGH | peteweez: Create it with crypsetup? |
| 01:12.30 | peteweez | JordiGH: No promises, but that's what I'd try. |
| 01:12.31 | h3sp4wn | grew: ipsec is the standard so people should follow it |
| 01:12.42 | DerJamster | w0rd54: why? It's just like some closed source solutions being disregarded in a closed source channel. |
| 01:12.45 | grew | its a bad standard if you ask me |
| 01:12.53 | peteweez | JordiGH: So your home computer isn't set up for encryption yet or something? |
| 01:12.56 | w0rd54 | h3sp3wn: not if retards try to block your vpn traffic and you want your vpn software to work everwhere |
| 01:13.04 | grew | ipsec isnt even nat capable |
| 01:13.16 | grew | protocols designed by committies suck |
| 01:13.18 | grew | plain and simpl |
| 01:13.19 | grew | e |
| 01:13.24 | JordiGH | peteweez: Right. |
| 01:13.26 | w0rd54 | h3sp3wn: don't even get started about standards....considering MS tries to shove them down our throats all the time....and half the time they are half-assed and lacking scalability and flexibility for implementation |
| 01:13.35 | grew | w0rd54: you mean like ipsec? |
| 01:13.37 | peteweez | JordiGH: OK |
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| 01:13.42 | amphi | w0rd54: debian is not open source |
| 01:13.50 | peteweez | amphi: BS!!!!!!!! |
| 01:13.59 | JordiGH | amphi: wtf? |
| 01:14.05 | w0rd54 | amphi: my bad....gpl at least? |
| 01:14.05 | peteweez | Debian is MILITANTLY opensource |
| 01:14.06 | amphi | peteweez: it's free software ;) |
| 01:14.07 | JordiGH | amphi: Why, because it has a non-free section? |
| 01:14.11 | peteweez | more so than the other distros |
| 01:14.22 | h3sp4wn | ipsec is fine however it is like sendmail (the people who bash it are just the people who cannot use it) |
| 01:14.25 | JordiGH | amphi: Oh. Troll. :P |
| 01:14.34 | peteweez | Oh OK...I don't think amphi's exactly trolling |
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| 01:14.38 | grew | h3sp4wn: wrong |
| 01:14.40 | amphi | JordiGH: not at all - they are not the same |
| 01:14.44 | w0rd54 | h3sp4wn: yeah....lol I use openvpn because I *CANT* use ipsec |
| 01:14.49 | w0rd54 | tell that to my cisco routers sitting idle |
| 01:14.53 | JordiGH | amphi: They are DFSG-equivalent. |
| 01:15.02 | w0rd54 | and my client laptops complaining about not being able to connect from some locations with retarded blocking rules |
| 01:15.09 | peteweez | But still, amphi, that's not a smart thing to say on a distro's channel. You can make people really mad. |
| 01:15.14 | w0rd54 | so f-ipsec |
| 01:15.31 | amphi | JordiGH: well, the free sw guy doesn't think they're equivalent |
| 01:15.34 | JordiGH | amphi: After all, the DFSG are /the/ Open Source Definition. |
| 01:16.01 | amphi | JordiGH: 'FS' stands for 'open source'? |
| 01:16.16 | w0rd54 | h3sp4wn: ipsec doesn't work for everything needed....so sometimes you have to adapt or use other solutions |
| 01:16.20 | DerJamster | Open source doesn't mean the piece of software is free. |
| 01:16.22 | peteweez | OK now he's trolling |
| 01:16.33 | DerJamster | Free software however means it's also open source. |
| 01:16.37 | amphi | peteweez: bullshit |
| 01:16.37 | JordiGH | amphi: rms doesn't think Debian is free for that matter. But the DFSG /are/ the open source definition. Go look it up. Now you're just trolling. :-) |
| 01:17.08 | peteweez | amphi: Sticks and stones, love. |
| 01:17.10 | plugwash | JordiGH has rms ever stated that debian main wasn't free and if so where?! |
| 01:17.24 | DerJamster | plugwash: er..yes, he has. |
| 01:17.37 | JordiGH | plugwash: rms is uncomfortable that Debian even has a non-free section. And Debian and rms don't always agree, re: the GFDL fiasco. :-( |
| 01:17.41 | DerJamster | I think the only distribution he accepted as free was that brazilian one..whatsitsname..? |
| 01:17.45 | h3sp4wn | w0rd54: Doesn't work if the network involves cowboy operations - works damn well in my experience and you can use any number of implimentations because it is a standard - openvpn works with openvpn |
| 01:17.51 | amphi | JordiGH: 'debian free software guidelines' is the open source definition? right |
| 01:17.55 | JordiGH | DerJamster: Argentine distro. Ututo. |
| 01:18.01 | DerJamster | Ah, yes :) |
| 01:18.01 | w0rd54 | h3sp4wn: and ipsec works with ipsec |
| 01:18.03 | DerJamster | that one. |
| 01:18.06 | JordiGH | amphi: after removing the references to Debian, yes. |
| 01:18.25 | w0rd54 | h3sp4wn: so you are saying windows is better because it works with other windows clients and it's the most popular? |
| 01:18.31 | JordiGH | DerJamster: rms's Spanish is really good. He passes for a native speaker in email, at least. :-) |
| 01:18.40 | h3sp4wn | w0rd54: Huh ? |
| 01:18.45 | w0rd54 | h3sp4wn: based upon your logic... |
| 01:18.49 | JordiGH | !nickometer h3sp4wn |
| 01:18.50 | dpkg | 'h3sp4wn' is 27.000% lame, jordigh |
| 01:18.53 | JordiGH | !nickometer w0rd54 |
| 01:18.55 | dpkg | 'w0rd54' is 98.520% lame, jordigh |
| 01:18.59 | JordiGH | h3sp4wn wins! |
| 01:19.07 | w0rd54 | lol sure |
| 01:19.16 | w0rd54 | ipsec isn't the rule of vpning |
| 01:19.16 | peteweez | what's nickometer? |
| 01:19.22 | w0rd54 | only for tards who never got over cisco |
| 01:19.28 | JordiGH | peteweez the lamer, the l33ter. :-) |
| 01:19.32 | peteweez | !nickometer l33t |
| 01:19.33 | dpkg | 'l33t' is 37.000% lame, peteweez |
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| 01:19.52 | peteweez | !nickometer peteweez |
| 01:19.54 | dpkg | 'peteweez' is 0.000% lame, peteweez |
| 01:19.59 | Azar | hehe |
| 01:19.59 | peteweez | d'oh! |
| 01:20.03 | Azar | nice |
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| 01:20.12 | plugwash | !nickometer plugwash |
| 01:20.13 | dpkg | 'plugwash' is 0.000% lame, plugwash |
| 01:20.19 | peteweez | It's official: I suck. |
| 01:20.24 | JordiGH | Fuck, where was I? Right, trying to create that block device again.. |
| 01:20.29 | w0rd54 | isn't there a huge set of hardware vpns that are using the same encryption keys with all their hardware? prolly the mid-level netgear/dlink/linksys type router/vpn products |
| 01:20.37 | JordiGH | peteweez: Er, you have no suck. leet != l33t. |
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| 01:21.10 | chalcedony | can anyone help us in |
| 01:21.12 | chalcedony | #vim ? |
| 01:21.14 | peteweez | what gets 100% lame? |
| 01:21.26 | peteweez | chalcedony: not the editor wars again! |
| 01:21.29 | JordiGH | !nickometer af34ka50ffh |
| 01:21.31 | dpkg | 'af34ka50ffh' is 56.000% lame, jordigh |
| 01:21.46 | grew | !nickometer omgwtfbbq |
| 01:21.46 | JordiGH | I don't know what gets it.. but w0rd54 is the lamest I've ever seen. |
| 01:21.47 | h3sp4wn | w0rd54: By that logic as I said above its like UNIX not windows, multiple implimentations of one standard hence they can work together |
| 01:21.47 | dpkg | 'omgwtfbbq' is 0.000% lame, grew |
| 01:21.55 | DerJamster | !nickometer z3r0c00| |
| 01:22.05 | dpkg | 'z3r0c00|' is 99.520% lame, derjamster |
| 01:22.05 | grew | !nickometer 31337kr4d |
| 01:22.05 | dpkg | '31337kr4d' is 83.000% lame, grew |
| 01:22.05 | DerJamster | WIN |
| 01:22.05 | grew | nice |
| 01:22.08 | peteweez | !nickometer76$^#&^%(*& |
| 01:22.13 | peteweez | oh crud |
| 01:22.20 | peteweez | !nickometer 37546$$^%$5@$#2#@ |
| 01:22.21 | dpkg | '37546$$^%$5@$#2#@' is 99.9796% lame, peteweez |
| 01:22.26 | peteweez | woo-hoo! |
| 01:22.29 | grew | !nickometer ^&|h4x0r|&^ |
| 01:22.30 | dpkg | '^&|h4x0r|&^' is 99.9438% lame, grew |
| 01:22.34 | grew | HAH |
| 01:22.34 | DerJamster | that isn't lame, that's just sad ;P |
| 01:22.35 | peteweez | I win! |
| 01:22.42 | cydork | !botabuse |
| 01:22.42 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 01:22.50 | JordiGH | Alright, I think we're officially OT. :-) |
| 01:22.51 | DerJamster | Poor dpkg :) |
| 01:22.51 | peteweez | !faq drugs |
| 01:22.52 | dpkg | drugs: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 01:22.54 | liable | c'mon kids, leave the bot alone |
| 01:22.57 | peteweez | lol |
| 01:23.09 | peteweez | the gentoo bot has a hilarious faq drugs message |
| 01:24.27 | JordiGH | That right? |
| 01:24.31 | JordiGH | Er... |
| 01:25.41 | MikeSee_MX3 | DerJamster: so with this netinstall iso i have downloaded 60% so far of, i can install debian with KDE and all that jazz? |
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| 01:28.14 | liable | with iso1 yes |
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| 01:28.37 | plugwash | netinst contains just the base system but the rest can be installed directly over the internet |
| 01:28.56 | MikeSee_MX3 | okay and how is debian with.. usb mice? |
| 01:29.06 | blondie | just fine |
| 01:29.19 | blondie | hardware support is based on the kernel not the distro anyway |
| 01:29.19 | MikeSee_MX3 | knoppix it works great, so i figured i'd try debian because i cant install knoppix hehe |
| 01:29.53 | MikeSee_MX3 | well see i installed a 2.6.18 kernel on the slackware box i had, but my mouse wouldnt work in X at all.. it was weird so im trying debian :) |
| 01:31.19 | blondie | sounds like it wasn't configured correctly then |
| 01:31.44 | MikeSee_MX3 | i dont know... but debian will be able to use my current patitions right? the ones i had for slackware? |
| 01:32.06 | blondie | should be fine I should think |
| 01:32.21 | MikeSee_MX3 | wonderful, 84% :) |
| 01:32.56 | MikeSee_MX3 | linux is like an adventure game i like it, i started on opensuse, then fedora core, then slackware (still have one) and now im trying debian. |
| 01:33.07 | chowmeined | is auditd available yet for debian? |
| 01:34.09 | streuner | o_O a 'changeling' :-) |
| 01:34.39 | MikeSee_MX3 | well i wanna find the KDE one i like the most... i like slackware for the cli.. it works well. |
| 01:34.56 | streuner | !tell MikeSee_MX3 about ig |
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| 01:35.29 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
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| 01:36.14 | MikeSee_MX3 | streuner: im already getting an install of debian |
| 01:36.19 | MikeSee_MX3 | but thanks |
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| 01:41.24 | pci_ | hi |
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| 01:45.37 | chowmeined | no auditd? |
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| 01:50.05 | streuner | !tell chowmeined about search |
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| 01:53.48 | chowmeined | i did search |
| 01:53.53 | chowmeined | i cant find where that is maintained |
| 01:54.29 | chowmeined | i dont think the package is available |
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| 01:56.01 | streuner | http://selinux.sourceforge.net/distros/debian.php3 |
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| 02:03.12 | _kir | aloha |
| 02:03.40 | _Sketch_ | konbanha. :D |
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| 02:05.15 | _kir | does anyone known how to install 3.1r4 on a usb external hd ; |
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| 02:06.23 | liable | _kir: whats the problem? |
| 02:06.32 | MikeSee_MX3 | sweet 8 minutes until my debian is done downloading all the kde stuff |
| 02:06.45 | Michael__ | hey, does anyone know how to run spamassassin on a per-user basis so it will check and run my user-prefs files? |
| 02:07.02 | _kir | debian doesn't regognize the external usb hd |
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| 02:08.22 | _kir | btw i tried with fedora 6 and i intallation was ok on the ext usb hd |
| 02:08.45 | cjari | hey, I have question about debian CD ISO downloads, there is torrent files such as "debian-31r4-i386-binary-1.iso.torrent" where binary-x ranges from 1-15. Are they all the same? Because I suppose debian doesn't go into 15 CDs? :) |
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| 02:08.58 | _kir | but i want debian does that not fedora :D |
| 02:09.33 | zasz | the full debian install is 2 DVDs or 15 cds if I remember correctly |
| 02:09.42 | zasz | I think the better choice is the small netinstall iso |
| 02:09.50 | liable | cjari: yes, debian does have 15 cd's worth of software :) |
| 02:09.56 | Michael__ | thats what I used, net install is the bomb :d |
| 02:10.11 | cjari | oh.. alright :) |
| 02:10.21 | liable | _kir: hrm, i cant think why debian wouldnt see the drive. what installer are you using? |
| 02:10.59 | _kir | the default with "linux26" boot command |
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| 02:14.29 | onetinsoldier | anyone here use compiz? if so i'm just wondering do you like it/think it's pretty cool? is it pretty easy to install/setup? |
| 02:15.01 | Azar | what is a compiz? |
| 02:16.08 | onetinsoldier | it's supposed to be an ms windows vista aero glass-like window manager... but i think you use it on top of gnome or kde... i think |
| 02:16.28 | stoned | !compiz |
| 02:16.28 | dpkg | somebody said compiz was a window and composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. It runs on Xgl and AIGLX. It is now in Debian and can run when AIGLX and composite are enabled for your X server. |
| 02:16.52 | Azar | ah, I see.... its not for me |
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| 02:17.56 | onetinsoldier | hmmm, i have one log message about AIGLX that I wonder about in my Xorg.log file.. i'm using fglrx |
| 02:18.13 | Azar | I can see that wiki say that it has bugs too |
| 02:18.33 | Azar | ewwwwwwwwwww is released by Novell.. no way |
| 02:18.40 | liable | onetinsoldier: you should be using xgl if you have fglrx |
| 02:19.10 | liable | onetinsoldier: unless you have a slightly older card supported by the free drivers |
| 02:19.14 | Azar | Im not gonna support Novell even if it gives it for free |
| 02:19.38 | onetinsoldier | liable: how do i make sure xgl is being loaded? |
| 02:19.48 | Azar | hehe liable you got the chance to read the article I posted earlier? |
| 02:20.14 | liable | onetinsoldier: xgl isnt available in debian, you need to compile it |
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| 02:21.13 | edju | Beefore I screw things up to awfully bad, does the -s option for apt-get work harmoniously with -f? i.e., would -s -f tell me what would be fixed w/o actually doing anything? |
| 02:21.21 | onetinsoldier | liable: oh! i see.. ok, thanks. what about AIGLX? what's the deal with it? here is the message i get about it in my log file.... |
| 02:21.49 | onetinsoldier | (EE) AIGLX error: dlsym for __driCreateNewScreen_20050727 failed (/usr/lib/dri/fglrx_dri.so: undefined symbol: __driCreateN |
| 02:21.50 | onetinsoldier | ewScreen_20050727) |
| 02:21.58 | onetinsoldier | (EE) AIGLX: reverting to software rendering |
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| 02:22.17 | liable | onetinsoldier: aiglx wont work with fglrx |
| 02:22.53 | liable | onetinsoldier: you can disable it in your xorg.conf |
| 02:23.06 | onetinsoldier | liable: roger. i will look into downloading and compiling it then. would you know where i can download it at? |
| 02:23.09 | _Sketch_ | Anyone here knowledgeable of scim? |
| 02:23.38 | onetinsoldier | liable: what do i enter to deisable it? i'll do that now |
| 02:23.44 | onetinsoldier | disable* |
| 02:24.24 | liable | onetinsoldier: http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/Xgl thats a bit old now, and all the code (except mesa) is in git |
| 02:24.51 | Azar | liable is it safe for him to edit xorg.conf? |
| 02:24.53 | liable | onetinsoldier: i dont know the exact thing for your conf, check the docs for xorg |
| 02:24.57 | onetinsoldier | liable: ok, going there now. thank you :) |
| 02:24.57 | liable | Azar: sure |
| 02:25.37 | Azar | I asked because I refrain to edit my xfree86.conf file... |
| 02:25.55 | onetinsoldier | liable: ok, roger. it's probqably like "Option" "DisableAIGLX" or some such... i'll try to find it. |
| 02:26.04 | liable | yup |
| 02:27.05 | Azar | so liable, now what would happen if we try to get Novell's stuff that will contain ms code on our Debian boxes? |
| 02:27.13 | Azar | compiz is a Novell product |
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| 02:27.57 | liable | compiz has been forked anyway |
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| 02:28.12 | Azar | ah cool |
| 02:28.15 | shadowarts | is there a way i can remotely install debian |
| 02:28.32 | _Sketch_ | shadowarts: Yes. |
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| 02:29.18 | shadowarts | _Sketch_, how would i do that? |
| 02:29.37 | _Sketch_ | shadowarts: I couldn't tell you exactly how, but I know it's possible. |
| 02:29.47 | shadowarts | alright |
| 02:33.14 | streuner | shadowarts: so you want install debian on a remote box, does this already using some other distro? |
| 02:33.51 | cjari | I'm trying to install debian using the net install ISO but when I choose linux26 as boot parameter it frozes on the language selection, if I just press enter for the default kernel then it doesn't froze..? |
| 02:34.31 | streuner | did you verify the iso itself? |
| 02:34.47 | streuner | Did you try another built yet? |
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| 02:35.06 | shadowarts | streuner, i have debian on the system atm but i need to reinstall |
| 02:35.10 | plugwash | shadowarts what is the existing OS? |
| 02:35.24 | shadowarts | like reinstall completelly from scratch essentially |
| 02:35.51 | plugwash | why do you need to reinstall? |
| 02:35.56 | shadowarts | the server was comprimised and i dont have physical access |
| 02:35.57 | xmoogle | hello plugwash! |
| 02:36.10 | streuner | who has access to the box yet? |
| 02:36.20 | shadowarts | and it would cost much more money than i can afford to have the people at the datacenter reinstalll |
| 02:36.20 | DoppelGanger | the one tht compromised it he eh |
| 02:36.26 | blondie | "yet"? |
| 02:36.26 | cjari | streuner, it works alright in the kernel 2.4 install mode (default) but not in 2.6 |
| 02:36.51 | streuner | cjari: try another built or just verify the iso itself |
| 02:37.01 | plugwash | shadowarts, do you have a swap partition? |
| 02:37.05 | shadowarts | yes |
| 02:37.12 | cjari | streuner, sorry what is a build? |
| 02:37.29 | cjari | I thought you mean the boot option... |
| 02:37.31 | streuner | cjari: i was talking about debian weekly builts (d-i etch) |
| 02:37.36 | liable | cjari: just install with the 2.4 and get a 2.6 once your done |
| 02:37.43 | streuner | or so |
| 02:37.54 | cjari | alright, thanks |
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| 02:38.03 | streuner | blondie: s/yet/now/ |
| 02:38.04 | plugwash | shadowarts the general principle is to disable swap, reformat your swap partition as ext2, debootstrap a fresh base system there, set up any nessacery configs and then reconfigure your bootloader to |
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| 02:38.09 | plugwash | boot it |
| 02:38.13 | cjari | I'm actually reinstalling because updating from 2.4 to 2.6 failed :) |
| 02:38.31 | liable | oh |
| 02:38.39 | plugwash | then once your running off what was your swap partition you can wipe your main partitions and debootstrap a new system onto them |
| 02:38.57 | liable | cjari: why do you need to reinstall? wont the 2.4 boot anymore either? |
| 02:39.11 | liable | cjari: what kind of hardware is it? |
| 02:39.11 | shadowarts | plugwash, hmm |
| 02:39.17 | plugwash | i'd stronly advise practicing on a box you do have access to first though |
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| 02:40.10 | shadowarts | plugwash, of course |
| 02:40.31 | TraceGreen | Hello, my sound driver card is 8086:27d8, I load snd-hda-intel, but still no sound. I try to play a ogg music, although i set sound largest. |
| 02:40.49 | cjari | liable, nope it's giving kernel panic and people say something is wrong with modprobe |
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| 02:41.08 | pstickne | TraceGreen, use alsamixer and check volume levels/mute |
| 02:41.18 | cjari | liable: the problem could be in the fact that Im using vmware player in windows |
| 02:41.27 | liable | cjari: oh |
| 02:41.33 | TraceGreen | pstickne, ok |
| 02:41.46 | streuner | cjari: so you are running vmware, right? |
| 02:42.02 | liable | cjari: why do you need the 2.6 kernel anyway? |
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| 02:42.25 | cjari | streuner, yes, every linux has installed alright on it but upgrading seems to always fail... |
| 02:42.43 | streuner | cjari: ask vmware then |
| 02:42.45 | cjari | liable I was just thinking that if I want the latest releases that would be needed as well |
| 02:43.07 | fourat | anyone can suggest me a site referencing good 3d games ? |
| 02:43.22 | Azar | fourat, games for what distro? |
| 02:43.24 | liable | cjari: nah, just use the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:43.40 | spoopin | cjari: you're having problems booting kernels in vmware? |
| 02:44.21 | cjari | spoopin, debian install doesnt work in linux26 mode but it works in the default 24 |
| 02:44.42 | cjari | it frozes in the language selection, this same thing happened with ubuntu 6.10 |
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| 02:44.52 | streuner | sure, "ALL distros work, just not debian" - ergo its a debian problem :-) |
| 02:45.38 | Azar | I vaguely remember that the fresh release of sarge had issues with the 2.6 installation |
| 02:45.44 | Azar | back in july |
| 02:45.48 | Plouj | how would I install debian on a machine which current has windows installed, and I only have remote access to it? Is it possible to somehow write to a certain partition, install a boot loader, and cause the system to reboot to a debian OS? |
| 02:45.52 | liable | cjari: try a vmware forum or mailing list, seems to be a bug |
| 02:45.54 | streuner | Azar: he's using vmware |
| 02:46.06 | Azar | streuner: ahh I see |
| 02:46.22 | spoopin | cjari: Don't use 2.6 with VMware player - there's a known problem with clock drift when using 2.6 kernels |
| 02:46.47 | pstickne | Plouj, I would not try it with only remote access. The furthest I would even try to take that is a remote image that is already configured. |
| 02:47.19 | spoopin | cjari: I've been using 2.4.27 with no problems |
| 02:47.27 | fourat | Azar, debian |
| 02:47.38 | pstickne | Plouj, of course even getting the partitions able to do that depends on a tool like pqmagic and windows ability to adjust it without restarting (eg: it's not active for windows) |
| 02:47.43 | cjari | spoopin , thanks for the info |
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| 02:47.57 | Azar | fourat, debian has three versions, stable, testing and unstable, for which do you want games? |
| 02:48.00 | pstickne | Plouj, then the imager would also need to be able to run in windows... |
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| 02:48.01 | Plouj | aah |
| 02:48.02 | Plouj | alright |
| 02:48.09 | spoopin | cjari: no problem. |
| 02:48.33 | Azar | fourat: games in testing or unstable might not work for the stable version |
| 02:48.55 | fourat | Azar, etch - testing |
| 02:48.55 | pstickne | Plouj, and granted, if you do all that, it's still the issue of getting the reboot to successfully load the other OS (or return to the first OS so you can do something) |
| 02:49.20 | Plouj | pstickne: heh, actually, you forgot to mention installing and configuring a boot loader |
| 02:49.32 | pstickne | Plouj, true, true. |
| 02:49.54 | Azar | fourat: http://packages.debian.org/testing/games/ << those you can install with apt-get install |
| 02:50.13 | fourat | Azar, thx |
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| 02:51.52 | Azar | since I installed nvidia-glx my xgammon game stopped loading |
| 02:56.01 | streuner | there is an easy solution :-) |
| 02:56.10 | streuner | just use 'nv' ? ;-) |
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| 02:57.11 | Azar | fourat, a nice 3D try trackballs |
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| 02:59.49 | Azar | streuner, :) well anyways that backgammon looked a bit ugly, I will be waiting for a nicer one |
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| 03:05.13 | Pedro420 | nvz: NAndrew ? |
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| 03:05.45 | TraceGreen | pstickne, I can just see pcm, i set pcm to 100 and don't mute, still no sound |
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| 03:09.25 | liable | TraceGreen: does 'cat /vmlinuz > /dev/dsp' make noise? |
| 03:09.40 | liable | bbl |
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| 03:14.04 | fyrmedic | Does anyone know of a usb wireless lan adaptor that will work with debian or kubuntu? |
| 03:16.00 | fyrmedic | ok how about a pcmcia wireless networking card? |
| 03:20.46 | TraceGreen | liable, no, no sound. I just find pcm, no master setting in alsamixer. my sound driver is 8086:27d8 and driver is snd-hda-intel |
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| 03:23.56 | matholio | hay guys, can exim be configured to not send email sent between specified times, I keep sending emails when i'm drunk and I don't even remeber doing it. |
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| 03:26.01 | fyrmedic | matholio; sounds like you need to stay away from the computer when your drunk. |
| 03:26.38 | matholio | fyrmedic: awesome, thanks. |
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| 03:34.52 | Guerin | !fcc song |
| 03:34.52 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fcc song is http://www.pythonline.com/plugs/idle/FCCSong.mp3 |
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| 03:36.48 | eduhat | hey guys |
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| 03:38.19 | streuner | Guerin: wth is 'FCC'? |
| 03:39.01 | plugwash | presumablly the federal communications commission |
| 03:42.56 | streuner | hm, 'Monty Python', shouldn't be that bad :-) |
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| 03:45.27 | thet | hi all |
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| 03:56.34 | black_13 | is it possible to download iso version testing |
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| 03:57.56 | black_13 | ok i found what i was looking for |
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| 03:58.11 | linux2 | does anyone here know why kpowersave only works as root |
| 03:58.20 | linux2 | like i have to run sudo kpowersave (i hate sudo btw) |
| 03:58.36 | linux2 | can anyone help me with getting it to work correctly for a normal users |
| 03:58.39 | chowmeined | so um |
| 03:58.48 | chowmeined | the debian selinux policy is completely broken |
| 03:58.49 | linux2 | its not that it doesn't work it just doesn't give me any options |
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| 04:00.25 | jeebusroxors | anyone run asterisk? |
| 04:02.46 | onetinsoldier | i just looked at what asterisk is... interesting. |
| 04:04.41 | black_13 | i have an ancient laptop that has no ethernet outlet but pci outlet |
| 04:05.04 | black_13 | an a xircom card how do i get the xircom card |
| 04:05.10 | black_13 | to work |
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| 04:05.26 | black_13 | do i rebuild the kernel with xircom support? |
| 04:06.01 | streuner | what kind of laptop is that? |
| 04:06.18 | black_13 | dell inspiron 5000 |
| 04:09.43 | black_13 | but i luckily i have a single usb port |
| 04:10.58 | streuner | !tell black_13 about laptops |
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| 04:11.34 | eduhat | how do i uninstall packages? |
| 04:11.47 | unlink | apt-get remove. |
| 04:11.50 | unlink | see man apt-get |
| 04:12.25 | black_13 | what are you going to tell me about laptops ... they are prefideous little buggers |
| 04:12.44 | black_13 | or hey theyre not supported under debian |
| 04:12.45 | plugwash | hmm does the name lenny have a toy story connection? |
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| 04:12.55 | plugwash | or is debian moving to a new naming scheme? |
| 04:13.06 | streuner | no |
| 04:13.09 | _Sketch_ | Lenny.. lenny.. |
| 04:13.15 | _Sketch_ | The binoculars. |
| 04:14.18 | black_13 | the penguin? what was his name? squeak? |
| 04:14.34 | _Sketch_ | Debian will never move to a new naming scheme, for the simple fact that we'll never get past "Toy Soldier #445, Toy Soldier #446..." |
| 04:14.46 | _Sketch_ | Squeak, yes. |
| 04:15.33 | streuner | plugwash: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 04:15.46 | _Sketch_ | Awesome. I was right. XD |
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| 04:15.59 | black_13 | its hard to believe that the movie came out about 10 years ago |
| 04:16.16 | _Sketch_ | It's hard to believe I -remembered- "Lenny". Then again, not too hard to guess.. |
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| 04:18.22 | black_13 | i saw lost hiway in the same theater i saw that movie and 12 mokeys the theater was torn down |
| 04:18.53 | black_13 | something about that bothers me very badly |
| 04:19.07 | streuner | dpkg, lenny is also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Toy_Story_characters#Lenny_the_Binoculars |
| 04:19.07 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
| 04:19.36 | adam | does anyone have any experience or know of a place where i could get a little help with the "32bit compatibility libraries" |
| 04:19.40 | adam | ? |
| 04:20.17 | streuner | black_13: xircom is now intel, i have no idea is that supported by default kernels or you need third party drivers |
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| 04:20.55 | streuner | black_13: dl would help prolly |
| 04:21.00 | streuner | !dl |
| 04:21.00 | dpkg | driver locator is http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ will tell you what drivers you need if your computer has PCI |
| 04:21.51 | streuner | black_13: but that's PCMCIA, right? |
| 04:22.00 | black_13 | yes sir |
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| 04:23.16 | streuner | its old, so it should be supported by d-i then |
| 04:23.31 | black_13 | was that for me? |
| 04:23.41 | black_13 | d-i? |
| 04:23.48 | streuner | debian installer |
| 04:24.11 | streuner | sounds like a thirty party driver |
| 04:24.31 | streuner | what's the exact name (xircom)? |
| 04:24.35 | black_13 | yes |
| 04:24.50 | black_13 | the last time i looked i saw it in the kernel source |
| 04:25.31 | streuner | so you think it isn't supported just by debian? |
| 04:25.45 | black_13 | no |
| 04:26.08 | streuner | What's the exact name of the xircom model? |
| 04:27.14 | black_13 | sure rbem556g-100 |
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| 04:28.22 | black_13 | cardbus |
| 04:28.24 | streuner | odd, i didn't get a single entry at google |
| 04:28.58 | black_13 | not good |
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| 04:31.26 | rover_ | Hola quien me podria orientar para configurar mi wifi? |
| 04:32.19 | streuner | !br |
| 04:32.19 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
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| 04:32.23 | streuner | !wireless |
| 04:32.23 | dpkg | The Linux Wireless LAN resource page is at http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux or try asking #wireless |
| 04:32.36 | black_13 | i can remember which but one of the rpm distros (mandrake) seems use it fine |
| 04:32.49 | _Sketch_ | ... Dang, dpkg totally outdid me there. |
| 04:32.57 | tonyb2006 | http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ = great |
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| 04:33.14 | nige | q~ |
| 04:33.17 | nige | exit |
| 04:33.52 | streuner | black_13: how about to sell this piece and buy something which is supported second hand? |
| 04:34.56 | streuner | black_13: what about the NIC itself, there is a NIC in this kind of laptop, why you don't just use this? |
| 04:35.09 | black_13 | sadly no nick |
| 04:35.31 | streuner | black_13: lspci -v | grep -i eth |
| 04:35.38 | black_13 | thanks ... |
| 04:36.10 | black_13 | your are very patient |
| 04:37.19 | black_13 | i have an affinaty for junked pcs ... the laptop runs great becuase it was damaged right out the box ... the lcd is very crisp ... but it was gutted for parts no cdrom no hard drive |
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| 04:39.41 | Guerin | streuner: Federal COmmunications COmmission |
| 04:39.46 | Guerin | streuner: of the USA |
| 04:40.22 | streuner | Guerin: yeah, i googled and found the URL :-) |
| 04:41.26 | streuner | black_13: dude, we haven't any result in google (for that model) - how we can help with NO details? |
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| 04:43.55 | streuner | black_13: is xircom_cb loaded? |
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| 04:47.18 | MikeSee_MX3 | my debian install is broken |
| 04:48.09 | rover_ | como configuro alsa en mi laptop? |
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| 04:48.28 | ssw | 0򀦂򘂒򀦂䂘)򒒉)𨤈񂂘)񂂘™򑤹 |
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| 04:56.50 | MikeSee_MX3 | can anyone help me configure X on debian so it works? |
| 04:57.05 | black_13 | it can be tricky |
| 04:57.43 | black_13 | does it not work at all or not the resolution you want? |
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| 04:58.18 | MikeSee_MX3 | not at all, its no screens found |
| 04:58.25 | MikeSee_MX3 | but i can read it so obviously there is a screen |
| 04:58.42 | black_13 | what version of debian? |
| 04:59.07 | Guerin | MikeSee_MX3: a 'screen' in X context is a set of configs which tells hardware how to display stuff |
| 04:59.09 | MikeSee_MX3 | um, current so...3.1 r4 |
| 04:59.13 | Guerin | MikeSee_MX3: /msg dpkg drxx |
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| 05:00.03 | black_13 | MikeSee_MX3 i shouldnt talk Guerin et have more experience than me |
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| 05:02.14 | Pupeno | Hello. |
| 05:02.18 | Pupeno | Is there a name for the triple transport, ip, port? like tcp 127.0.0.1 80 ? |
| 05:04.42 | pstickne | "connection information"? |
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| 05:13.15 | jeebusroxors | does anyone know where i can get a zabbix package? |
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| 05:16.27 | jeebusroxors | cricket cricket |
| 05:16.39 | slept | jeebusroxors, apt-cache search |
| 05:16.47 | jeebusroxors | slept: nope |
| 05:16.50 | jeebusroxors | need a server |
| 05:17.57 | jeebusroxors | can someone explain apt-get to me...i still dont think i quiet understand.. |
| 05:19.26 | slept | !info zabbix-server-mysql |
| 05:19.33 | dpkg | zabbix-server-mysql: (software for monitoring of your networks -- server), section net, is optional. Version: 1:1.1.3-2 (sid), Packaged size: 177 kB, Installed size: 740 kB |
| 05:20.15 | slept | jeebusroxors, apt-get install the-name-of-the-package |
| 05:20.40 | jeebusroxors | slept: i tried apt-cache search zabbix it came up with nothing |
| 05:21.46 | jeebusroxors | apt-cache search zabbix |
| 05:21.46 | jeebusroxors | debianserv:/etc/apache2/sites-enabled# |
| 05:21.55 | slept | jeebusroxors, my fault, its only in sid |
| 05:22.02 | jeebusroxors | whats that? |
| 05:22.20 | slept | jeebusroxors, /msg dpkg sid |
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| 05:22.57 | jeebusroxors | ok so how do i add that server to sources.list? |
| 05:23.00 | slept | jeebusroxors, dpkg is a bot - can tell you a lot of things |
| 05:23.09 | jeebusroxors | i saw... |
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| 05:24.00 | jeebusroxors | how do i add SID to apt-get? |
| 05:24.08 | slept | jeebusroxors, if you are new to debian/linux i wouldn't recomend to use sid, things are more likely to break |
| 05:24.18 | jeebusroxors | i am not new to linx |
| 05:24.28 | jeebusroxors | i am new to debian and apt-get is frustrating the hell out of me heh |
| 05:24.46 | slept | jeebusroxors, ok apt-get is your friend |
| 05:24.57 | jeebusroxors | slept: no its not..heh |
| 05:25.06 | jeebusroxors | the only thing its got going for it is modularity... |
| 05:25.35 | jeebusroxors | does sid somewhat equal cvs? cause i also need alsa-cvs but cannot find the server anywhere |
| 05:26.40 | slept | jeebusroxors, there is the /etc/apt/sources.list , it determines the servers/version wich you are using you can exchange sarge,etch,sid depending on how stable you want it to be |
| 05:27.15 | slept | etch is quite stable things didn't break for me since a long time |
| 05:28.09 | jeebusroxors | ok |
| 05:28.25 | jeebusroxors | now how would i go about installing alsa-cvs? |
| 05:28.33 | slept | jeebusroxors, for apt you might want to read the apt-get and apt-cache manpage or just display the commandline help |
| 05:28.33 | jeebusroxors | is there an alsa-cvs or do i use unstable |
| 05:28.34 | Firztspawn | I have only been using it 2 or 3 days lol |
| 05:30.00 | slept | i never used cvs, but the sid version should be quite close to that - please someone correct me with that if i am wrong |
| 05:30.06 | onetinsoldier | jeebusroxors: hello |
| 05:30.20 | jeebusroxors | onetinsoldier: hey |
| 05:30.38 | onetinsoldier | you sure you want to add sid to your sources.list? |
| 05:31.12 | jeebusroxors | um |
| 05:31.13 | jeebusroxors | yes |
| 05:31.15 | onetinsoldier | ok |
| 05:31.23 | jeebusroxors | why |
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| 05:31.47 | onetinsoldier | i recoomend adding it... then apt-get update, then install what you want, then comment the line out.. then apt-get update again |
| 05:31.58 | adam | i have a i386 deb file... is there a way to convert it to a amd64 file? or possibly use the 32bit libs? |
| 05:31.58 | jeebusroxors | thats what im doing |
| 05:32.19 | jeebusroxors | onetinsoldier: how would i go about getting alsa-cvs? |
| 05:32.20 | onetinsoldier | # deb http://linux.csua.berkeley.edu/debian/ unstable main non-free |
| 05:32.35 | jeebusroxors | :%s/unstable/stable |
| 05:32.42 | onetinsoldier | that's the line you can add.. the '#' means it's commented out |
| 05:33.04 | jeebusroxors | onetinsoldier: thank you very much, i know what a comment is lol |
| 05:33.12 | onetinsoldier | ok... cool |
| 05:33.35 | quintin | Hi, I need some help figuring out what this card is |
| 05:33.41 | quintin | "N119" . .. is what's on it. |
| 05:33.46 | quintin | I think it's a quadro2, but not sure |
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| 05:34.10 | jeebusroxors | onetinsoldier: can you tell me how to install alsa-cvs? |
| 05:34.16 | jeebusroxors | why does everyone ignore that question heh |
| 05:34.22 | Firztspawn | quintin; tried google |
| 05:34.24 | Firztspawn | ? |
| 05:34.33 | quintin | Firztspawn: no. wtf is google. |
| 05:34.47 | Firztspawn | www.google.com (search engine |
| 05:35.02 | quintin | I was being facetious. of course I tried google! .. |
| 05:35.07 | jeebusroxors | lol |
| 05:35.28 | quintin | jeebusroxors: ask crimsun. also try #alsa |
| 05:35.30 | Guerin | hehe |
| 05:35.35 | Guerin | that was smooth |
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| 05:35.48 | Guerin | quintin: the scary thing is it's almost a plausible answer sometimes. |
| 05:36.00 | Firztspawn | so what is it? a video card? |
| 05:36.04 | quintin | yea |
| 05:36.07 | quintin | agp |
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| 05:36.31 | quintin | 1 vga connector on it. the gpu is covered by a heatsink. it looks to have come from a compaq machine |
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| 05:37.05 | cilkay | Hello. I'm trying to do a debootstrap installation of etch. It seems to go fine until I try to chroot into it when I'm told that /bin/bash doesn't exist. If I debootstrap sarge instead, it works fine. Any idea of why that is? |
| 05:37.10 | slept | quintin, put it in and do lspci , might tell you more |
| 05:37.10 | pstickne | quintin, no brand designator? |
| 05:37.11 | Firztspawn | http://www.jlaenterprises.net/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=248 <<-- that? |
| 05:37.25 | Firztspawn | btw your google skills suck :) |
| 05:37.41 | quintin | pstickne: it is a nvidia card |
| 05:37.48 | adam | i have a i386 deb file... is there a way to convert it to a amd64 file? or possibly use the 32bit libs?.... either help or at least a reference would be nice... i didn't find much on google... |
| 05:37.56 | quintin | slept: will lspci show agp ? |
| 05:38.18 | quintin | Firztspawn: I found that. that's why I said I think is q2 card... but mine is just vga, no dvi.. |
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| 05:38.34 | slept | yes |
| 05:38.42 | quintin | mmhmm |
| 05:38.48 | Firztspawn | lspci (they make these tools for a reason :D) |
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| 05:39.00 | quintin | lspci doesn't work when it's on my desk, now does it smartass. :P |
| 05:39.21 | Firztspawn | so install it, use nv driver |
| 05:39.30 | quintin | hopefully I can setup dri with this new card... and maybe even 3d stuffs |
| 05:39.41 | quintin | Firztspawn: jaja.. going to edit xorg.conf and reboot.. =) |
| 05:39.43 | pstickne | the lack of dvi might make it whatever lower-level line was complementing the quadro2 |
| 05:39.46 | Firztspawn | nvidia cards hate dri dont they? |
| 05:40.17 | quintin | the nv119 makes me think it is n11 core.. so it's geforce2 or quadro2.. |
| 05:40.20 | Firztspawn | or the drivers do (they always recommend removing dri in xorg.conf |
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| 05:40.27 | tecnick | i need code for permission my user acess partition ntfs |
| 05:40.32 | tecnick | rw |
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| 05:40.36 | tecnick | i brazilian |
| 05:40.41 | Guerin | tecnick: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 05:40.44 | quintin | !br |
| 05:40.44 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 05:40.48 | grendal_prime | hi brazilian |
| 05:40.59 | grendal_prime | i like campos jordan |
| 05:41.06 | grendal_prime | and ubatuba |
| 05:41.13 | grendal_prime | mostly ubatuba though |
| 05:41.13 | slept | tecnick, /msg dpkg ntfs |
| 05:41.31 | Firztspawn | quintin; incidentally, if you want to run nvidia drivers on that youll need the legacy driver |
| 05:41.51 | quintin | Firztspawn: ah.. hmm? |
| 05:42.10 | Firztspawn | my Ti4200 just got switched to legacy, so a geforce 2 will definitely be legacy |
| 05:42.30 | quintin | still lost! is it like a catchall driver from nvidia? |
| 05:42.52 | Firztspawn | for older cards, yes |
| 05:42.56 | Guerin | quintin: sort of. They fucked the driver so everyone with old cards would have to buy new ones. |
| 05:43.06 | Guerin | quintin: the old driver is still floating around, though |
| 05:43.10 | quintin | Guerin: Those bastards!!! |
| 05:43.22 | quintin | I just want to play some windows games on my old crappy pc :P |
| 05:43.23 | Guerin | quintin: rather. |
| 05:43.40 | quintin | well Imma put this bad boy in and reboot.. |
| 05:43.41 | quintin | brb! |
| 05:43.43 | cilkay | Weird. I just deleted the logical volumes, recreated them, and used debootstrap to install etch and now I can chroot into it. No idea why it worked this time when it didn't the previous two times. |
| 05:44.17 | cilkay | I'm installed etch into a Xen VPS so debootstrap is a good option. |
| 05:44.24 | cilkay | er, installing |
| 05:44.34 | cilkay | anyway, it seems to be working now |
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| 05:52.37 | Kurtism | you know what pisses me off |
| 05:52.46 | Kurtism | why is it that some patches require -p0 and some -p1 |
| 05:53.36 | Guerin | Kurtism: man patch - it's about how many levels up the tree it has to patch |
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| 05:55.29 | seth1248 | How can I find out what file is the keymap? |
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| 06:01.38 | quintin | hihi |
| 06:01.43 | quintin | all you idiots are wrong. |
| 06:01.45 | quintin | it's a TNT2 ? or so |
| 06:02.13 | quintin | anyway, up on the new gfx card.. and running at 1600x1200... still no dri.. but my horizontal flickerings are gone.. must be the i810 is fruity when it runs high-res or something.. |
| 06:04.45 | quintin | so.... should I run my monitor at highest res possible? thoughts on that? |
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| 06:07.31 | daveian | anyone experienced with getting WLAN cards working with Debian? |
| 06:07.44 | daveian | i have been working for days to try and get mine working :( |
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| 06:11.19 | quintin | daveian: yea sure |
| 06:11.21 | quintin | daveian: what card |
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| 06:15.18 | jeebusroxors | apt-get is horrific... |
| 06:15.27 | quintin | jeebusroxors: =( |
| 06:15.32 | jeebusroxors | :-\ |
| 06:15.40 | jeebusroxors | it takes me like 3 hours to do anything heh |
| 06:15.47 | jeebusroxors | maybe its cause i dont know it... |
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| 06:16.17 | daveian | quintin: i have the broadcom 4306 wireless card |
| 06:16.54 | jeebusroxors | daveian: broadcoms are no good for linx heh |
| 06:17.16 | jeebusroxors | is it bcm43xxx? |
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| 06:18.12 | daveian | yep |
| 06:18.21 | daveian | i have bcm43xx-fwcutter too |
| 06:18.24 | daveian | but i haven't had any luck with it |
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| 06:18.40 | daveian | i got the blue LED button to light up and it will iwlist scan |
| 06:18.46 | daveian | and it notices my SP |
| 06:18.51 | daveian | my *AP rather |
| 06:19.09 | jeebusroxors | daveian: yea, i had the same problem |
| 06:19.19 | nst | i've installed debian by 2 dvd's, now when i use apt-get command the system always ask about dvd 1..how can i change it to install directly via ftp? |
| 06:19.21 | daveian | really jeebusroxors? |
| 06:19.31 | jeebusroxors | but luckily i had gone out and bought a orinoco i use ;) |
| 06:19.52 | muaddib | Has anyone had a problem with iptables were if you are running a setup with IP Masquerading and you telnet to the port of the remote server's service and that works however if you use a the actual clinet i.e web browser you don't see the page. Basically I can can connect to the webserver via port 80(any website i've tested 30) or really any protocal, but when I use the actual client program it doesn't fully connect |
| 06:19.53 | jeebusroxors | daveian: yea...the bcm43xx is like brand new |
| 06:19.59 | daveian | wow |
| 06:20.03 | daveian | so did you get it to work? |
| 06:20.03 | muaddib | I am not sure if this is an iptables issue or my ISP Is blocking me some how |
| 06:20.16 | jeebusroxors | muaddib: most isps will block 80... |
| 06:20.23 | jeebusroxors | try 88 |
| 06:20.31 | jeebusroxors | daveian: no not really... |
| 06:20.35 | daveian | i have tried both ndiswrapper and bcm43xx-fwcutter |
| 06:20.40 | jeebusroxors | well, i had it working way back with ndis |
| 06:20.44 | daveian | and neither have shown any success |
| 06:20.54 | crono- | is ndiswrapper making your kernel go oops normal :< |
| 06:20.57 | daveian | what card do you have jeebusroxors? |
| 06:21.03 | muaddib | jeebusroxors: Umm I forgot to mention I can connect to everything normally on the box that has the physical uplink connection |
| 06:21.05 | bokey | hi all |
| 06:21.06 | jeebusroxors | bcm43xx that doesnt work |
| 06:21.15 | jeebusroxors | muaddib: hosts.allow and hosts.deny ok? |
| 06:21.15 | daveian | what do you mean oops normal :< crono-? |
| 06:21.21 | jeebusroxors | and then an orinoco |
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| 06:21.27 | crono- | well it complained about hte 4K blocks at first |
| 06:21.38 | bokey | is anyone aware of ipod index builder in linux ? downloaded it 2 months back. was coded in python. |
| 06:21.39 | crono- | the driver worked until i enabled the wlan card, like the power-button on the laptop |
| 06:21.42 | bokey | can't find it now. |
| 06:21.42 | daveian | nah i haven't received any errors like that |
| 06:21.44 | bokey | =( |
| 06:21.46 | crono- | when i did that the kernel crashed |
| 06:21.52 | d4m3ntz | how come noone has updated gparted in debian yet? |
| 06:21.52 | daveian | oh wow |
| 06:21.57 | jeebusroxors | bokey: gtkpod is pretty good |
| 06:22.00 | muaddib | jeebusroxors: yup |
| 06:22.06 | d4m3ntz | i cant believe im still using the kanotix package 0.3.1 cvs |
| 06:22.10 | bokey | jeebusroxors, thanks. let me search. |
| 06:22.13 | crono- | so i compiled the kernel with the over 4K blocks to make sure it wasnt my issue |
| 06:22.21 | crono- | and still my kernel crashes hard |
| 06:22.27 | crono- | ive given up intel wlan cards |
| 06:22.44 | bokey | jeebusroxors, no, it's a single python file that build's my ipod's index. =_ |
| 06:22.46 | bokey | =) |
| 06:22.51 | crono- | ill just find some more ordinary and linux friendly USB wifi dongle |
| 06:22.52 | jeebusroxors | ah |
| 06:22.55 | bokey | downloaded it 2 months back but can't find it on google now. |
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| 06:23.51 | daveian | i've tried network-manager-gnome |
| 06:23.57 | daveian | and that does nothing |
| 06:24.28 | bokey | daveian, network-admin. |
| 06:25.18 | d4m3ntz | has anyone here tried upstart yet? |
| 06:25.56 | jeebusroxors | daveian: iwconfig |
| 06:25.58 | muaddib | brb |
| 06:26.00 | jeebusroxors | gnome is teh bloat |
| 06:26.12 | muaddib | cd /quit |
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| 06:31.12 | cilkay | Why are there no sd* devices in /dev in etch? I can't mount my logical volumes in my Xen VPS because there are no block devices. |
| 06:33.30 | daveian | iwconfig gives lo, eth0 no network extensions, eth2 is the Broadcom 4306, eth1 no network extensions, and sit0 no network extensions |
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| 06:43.42 | daveian | so iwconfig is recognizing it |
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| 06:45.35 | quintin | How do I get source for my kernel version installed with apt? |
| 06:45.46 | quintin | linux-headers-<version> ?? |
| 06:46.25 | jeebusroxors | yea |
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| 06:48.16 | quintin | why is it -headers .. why not -source |
| 06:48.24 | quintin | so.. how bout those nvidia drivers? :) |
| 06:48.55 | quintin | trying to instlal now.. it complained about wanting xorg development pkg or something cause it couldn't find something.. and cause I was using modular xorg.. !? then it seems to be continuing.. blah |
| 06:50.48 | Firztspawn | dont worry about it.. did the same for me. |
| 06:51.26 | Firztspawn | dont forget to change the driver name in xorg.conf to nvidia |
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| 06:53.03 | atrus | any suggestions on how to duplicate a video dvd, from a dvd-rom to a dvd-rw? google's failing me, except for suggesting brasero, which doesn't seem to work (claims there's not enough space on the blank disc) |
| 06:54.58 | insmod | atrus: you just want to copy it ? |
| 06:55.00 | Dark_Apostrophe | atrus: K3b? |
| 06:55.03 | atrus | insmod: right |
| 06:55.14 | insmod | atrus: video or data |
| 06:55.20 | atrus | straight-up duplicate. video. |
| 06:55.35 | atrus | (family movies if anybody cares :) ) |
| 06:55.36 | Dark_Apostrophe | atrus: Just use K3b |
| 06:55.46 | insmod | atrus: vobcopy -m |
| 06:55.57 | daveian | anyone ever get a broadcom 4306 working with Debian?? |
| 06:55.59 | daveian | :( |
| 06:56.01 | Dark_Apostrophe | atrus: A lot of people here care, unfortunately. Me, personally, I own the domain linuxp2p.com, so you can guess my opinion on that subject :) |
| 06:56.23 | Dark_Apostrophe | daveian: What's that? A LAN card? |
| 06:56.37 | daveian | no it's a wireless LAN card |
| 06:56.44 | daveian | but yes in essence it is a lan card :) |
| 06:56.45 | insmod | atrus: i wrote a dvd rip program that uses it |
| 06:56.46 | Dark_Apostrophe | You could try looking through the kernel |
| 06:56.49 | quintin | Firztspawn: and remove dri .. ?!?! I want dri though.. amybe it sets it.. install finsihed, editing my xorg.conf now.. :D |
| 06:57.05 | daveian | how do i look through my kernel? |
| 06:57.06 | quintin | atrus: duh... what is it .. dvd-shrink! |
| 06:57.09 | atrus | insmod: installing now |
| 06:57.22 | daveian | there's a shell command to do that isn't there? |
| 06:57.38 | quintin | Dark_Apostrophe: what is at linuxp2p.com ? |
| 06:57.38 | insmod | atrus: http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/ |
| 06:57.44 | Dark_Apostrophe | daveian: You get the source code package, cd into the directory (usually /usr/src/linux) and type make menuconfig |
| 06:57.48 | Dark_Apostrophe | quintin: a forum and wiki |
| 06:57.54 | daveian | oh yeah makes sense :) |
| 06:58.16 | Dark_Apostrophe | daveian: then you type / and search for the card |
| 06:58.50 | quitte | morning. how can i find all pacvkages that dependon another? |
| 06:58.51 | Dark_Apostrophe | If you use KDE or have Qt installed, you can type make xconfig instead. Not sure if it works with GTK. |
| 06:58.56 | atrus | insmod: hmm. any way do do this without writing to disk? i'm pretty tight for free space. |
| 06:59.21 | Dark_Apostrophe | quitte: Synaptic can tell you that |
| 06:59.29 | daveian | yeah i have both KDE and Qt |
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| 06:59.48 | quitte | Dark_Apostrophe: i mean all. not all that are installed |
| 06:59.58 | insmod | atrus: write to sdcard or use packet writing |
| 07:00.10 | Dark_Apostrophe | quitte: Should be able to do that too |
| 07:00.27 | Dark_Apostrophe | daveian: cd /usr/src/linux;make xconfig |
| 07:00.33 | insmod | atrus: you could even write it to an ipod etc |
| 07:00.34 | Dark_Apostrophe | After you've gotten a hold of the source code |
| 07:00.36 | daveian | ok |
| 07:00.47 | Dark_Apostrophe | If it doesn't work, replace xconfig with menuconfig |
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| 07:00.56 | insmod | atrus: anything that aks like a hard drive |
| 07:01.18 | quintin | ok well X is up |
| 07:01.23 | quintin | but I can't run glxgears ?! |
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| 07:02.19 | daveian | hm neither of them work |
| 07:02.22 | quintin | This "NVIDIA" splash screen when I boot is pretty |
| 07:02.29 | daveian | i need to locate my kernel looks like |
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| 07:03.10 | quintin | quintin@helios:~$ glxgears |
| 07:03.10 | quintin | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 07:03.10 | quintin | Error: couldn't get an RGB, Double-buffered visual |
| 07:03.15 | quintin | Any ideas ??! |
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| 07:05.23 | quintin | Firztspawn: Can you run glxinfo or glxgears ? |
| 07:05.56 | quintin | I can probably do this compiz / beryl crap too, now that I have agp nvidia and nvidia drivers.. |
| 07:06.09 | quintin | although.. I'd probably have to use gnome for it.. |
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| 07:07.20 | insmod | quintin: add Load "glx" |
| 07:08.02 | quintin | insmod: that is already in section "Module".. I restarted X again just to be sure too.. |
| 07:08.32 | Firztspawn | quintin; no |
| 07:09.10 | Firztspawn | I think thats in another package (that I obviously dont have |
| 07:09.36 | insmod | quintin: did you install nvidia-glx ? |
| 07:09.50 | quintin | insmod: http://poker1.mine.nu/~quintin/ has my xorg.conf and the latest Xorg log |
| 07:09.52 | quintin | Firztspawn: ^^ |
| 07:10.17 | quintin | insmod: uhm.. dunno. I just installed the nvidia.run and did what it told me to as far as x conf file |
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| 07:10.46 | akrus | hm |
| 07:11.03 | akrus | is it okay that apt-get update does not download anything for more than two days? o_O |
| 07:11.09 | Firztspawn | insmod; we have to install nvidia-glx for glxgears? |
| 07:11.10 | quintin | Ok, I see a nvidia-glx package in aptitude search.. but what the hell? I thought what I wanted was the binary driver from nvidia..? I'm confused. :) |
| 07:11.23 | quintin | akrus: sure |
| 07:11.54 | quintin | Firztspawn: can you run this? %> glxinfo | grep rendering |
| 07:12.01 | insmod | Firztspawn: only if you do the debian one if you install the nvidia driver from there site -- no |
| 07:12.12 | akrus | quintin: okay then :) |
| 07:12.33 | quintin | akrus: I just did a manual one and mine only got 4bytes .. |
| 07:12.35 | Firztspawn | quintin; glxinfo: command not found |
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| 07:12.48 | quintin | Firztspawn: well dammit! |
| 07:13.00 | quintin | Firztspawn: Know a 3d thingie I can try as a test? |
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| 07:13.10 | Firztspawn | gl screensavers |
| 07:13.18 | quintin | ooh yea. |
| 07:13.27 | quintin | those go about .6fps for me! |
| 07:13.36 | cilkay | How can I get the list of packages that I can use dpkg-reconfigure on? |
| 07:13.42 | quintin | no idea how to make windowmaker run a screensaver. might have to go to gnome2 |
| 07:14.05 | Firztspawn | what screensavers you using? |
| 07:14.11 | Firztspawn | xscreensaver? |
| 07:14.33 | Firztspawn | xscreensaver-demo <<-- if you are |
| 07:15.07 | quintin | Firztspawn: when I'm in windowmaker there is no screensaver.. it just blanks after a few mins. |
| 07:15.15 | Firztspawn | ah ok |
| 07:15.39 | insmod | quintin: did you use the nvidia site installer or the debian one |
| 07:15.46 | Firztspawn | well, you can either apt-get install xscreensaver or go to gnome 2 |
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| 07:16.04 | quintin | gflux: display ":0.0" does not support the GLX extension. |
| 07:16.04 | quintin | Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 07:16.11 | quintin | insmod: I used the nvidia installer |
| 07:16.22 | quintin | ^ from xscreensaver-demo |
| 07:16.57 | insmod | quintin: this is my file it is XF86 but the same code is used --- sort of http://home.cogeco.ca/~smacneil1/XF86Config-4 |
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| 07:17.45 | quintin | uhm.. the nvidia installer said it couldn't find X lib location .. and it installed to /usr/lib .. could it be something is in wrong spot .. ? |
| 07:18.22 | insmod | quintin: that could be it you may need to symlink it |
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| 07:19.20 | jeebusroxors | anyone ever get spong working on debian? |
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| 07:20.28 | NiCeBoY | hi anyone can give me the command to attribute chmod 755 to a folder and all its contents please? |
| 07:20.45 | jeebusroxors | chmod -R 755 foo |
| 07:20.52 | NiCeBoY | thx |
| 07:20.55 | jeebusroxors | aka man chmod |
| 07:21.03 | jeebusroxors | ;) |
| 07:21.14 | atrus | Dark_Apostrophe: k3b worked in the end. thanks. thanks insmod as well. |
| 07:22.11 | quintin | insmod: halp plz :( |
| 07:22.30 | quintin | insmod: my xorg log most recent sez that glx module was loaded |
| 07:22.45 | quintin | insmod: and VENDOR is nvidia.. ?!?! :( |
| 07:23.57 | quintin | I'm going to try the XF86Config sample in place of xorg.conf.. from the driver package.. |
| 07:25.57 | quintin | That didn't help. it started crashed started 3x, then finally said it failed to load gdm |
| 07:26.35 | quintin | So.. glxinfo says 'extension missing', but xorg log says it is loaded. |
| 07:27.38 | quintin | Firztspawn: apt-get install mesa-utils? :) |
| 07:27.58 | insmod | quintin: no |
| 07:28.19 | quintin | insmod: ..? |
| 07:28.32 | Supaplex | etcetc :P |
| 07:29.03 | insmod | quintin: mesa is for other cards |
| 07:29.45 | jeebusroxors | anyone ever get spong working on debian? |
| 07:30.30 | quintin | I guess I will try to run tuxracer or something.. |
| 07:30.58 | quintin | insmod: do you know what it is for? maybe I have it leftover from trying to get dri to go on the integrated i810 |
| 07:33.02 | jeebusroxors | why does nothing work in apt-get? |
| 07:34.04 | quintin | jeebusroxors: ehm.. ? check /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 07:34.17 | quintin | Ok, supertux crashes when I click Open GL checkbox .. |
| 07:34.47 | quintin | and.. tuxracer isn't in repos or something..? tuxcart is.. I'll test with it.. |
| 07:35.12 | jeebusroxors | yea thanks quintin maybe you can tell me why none of the web apps i install work? or if i uninstall something its configs and binarys still stay or why i cant find jre heh |
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| 07:35.37 | quintin | Data files will be fetched from: '/usr/share/games/tuxkart' |
| 07:35.38 | quintin | PW: GLX extension not available on display ':0.0'?!? |
| 07:36.03 | quintin | is that 'tuxkart' outputs. dammit!! |
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| 07:36.49 | quintin | jeebusroxors: define 'web apps'. maybe you should read about apt? jre I don't think will be in default repos, at least not sun version. |
| 07:37.14 | insmod | java.com |
| 07:37.27 | jeebusroxors | theres no package for it? |
| 07:37.30 | jeebusroxors | meh makes no sense |
| 07:37.38 | jeebusroxors | me and debian are not getting along... |
| 07:37.47 | jeebusroxors | debian and i |
| 07:38.29 | quintin | jeebusroxors: You can probably add a repository that has it. Otherwise java.com/en/ .. it should see linux user-agent and direct you to a dowload page. then you can use dpkg or gdebi or what have you on it |
| 07:38.40 | quintin | jeebusroxors: debian people are a bit anal about 'free' |
| 07:38.49 | quintin | (as in speech). |
| 07:39.49 | cilkay | In my debootstrapped etch installation, when I try to apt-get upgrade, I'm getting a GPG error: Couldn't access keyring. It seems like I'm missing debian-archive-keyring so I try to apt-get install debian-archive-keyring but it can't be authenticated because I don't have the GPG key installed. How do I get around this chicken/egg problem? |
| 07:40.42 | quintin | jeebusroxors: maybe you will prefer ubuntu? I use debian 3.1 or whatever on servers, and ubuntu on desktops. |
| 07:40.52 | jeebusroxors | heh |
| 07:40.58 | jeebusroxors | im an archlinux user |
| 07:41.05 | jeebusroxors | and some gentoo |
| 07:41.08 | quintin | in that case, you can go to hell! |
| 07:41.10 | jeebusroxors | ;) |
| 07:41.34 | quintin | gentoo is mostly a pain. use fbsd if you want fbsd.. |
| 07:41.36 | jeebusroxors | well i give you guys kudos, the only distro that works on sparc64 |
| 07:41.44 | cilkay | I don't think I have a choice. When I think about it, none of the debootstrapped base packages were checked for GPG signatures either. |
| 07:42.10 | jeebusroxors | i dont like the channel though :-\ people were trying to explain comments to me.... |
| 07:42.17 | quintin | cilkay: Usually I get "THE FOLLOWING UNTRUSTED PACKAGES ARE ABOUT TO BE INSTALLED" when I am missing keys. |
| 07:42.26 | quintin | jeebusroxors: what channel? |
| 07:42.28 | cilkay | yes, indeed |
| 07:42.39 | quintin | cilkay: so install it anyway? |
| 07:43.10 | quintin | fix my damn nvidia stuff already people! :) |
| 07:43.12 | jeebusroxors | quintin: this one heh....i get help, but once i start asking more advanced stuff i get ignored :-\ |
| 07:43.15 | cilkay | quintin: as a rule, I don't like installing packages that the GPG signatures haven't been verified. |
| 07:43.30 | cilkay | Blind trust isn't a good idea. |
| 07:43.42 | quintin | cilkay: Then you are stuck with your chicken/egg problem. |
| 07:43.53 | cilkay | In debootstrap, apparently yes. |
| 07:43.59 | quintin | elsewise find the .deb on a cd. |
| 07:44.07 | quintin | I look like a guru or something? wtf youw ant from me! :P |
| 07:44.41 | cilkay | Actually, I can download the deb on on another etch machine I have locally and check its signature there. |
| 07:45.05 | jeebusroxors | is it a production machine? |
| 07:45.08 | cilkay | The debootstrap installation is on a Xen VPS in a colo facility. |
| 07:45.15 | cilkay | yes, intended to be for a hosting client |
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| 07:46.03 | jeebusroxors | meh then who cares ;) |
| 07:46.17 | jeebusroxors | job security hehe, id not verify ;) |
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| 07:49.23 | cilkay | How does one verify the signatures on all installed packages in Debian? |
| 07:49.29 | minerale | how may I use iptables to forward all connections coming in port 80 to port 8888 ? |
| 07:49.44 | cilkay | In rpm based systems, I'd just do rpm -V foo |
| 07:50.42 | cilkay | minerale: why are you doing that? You have an app server listening on port 8888? |
| 07:51.21 | minerale | cilkay: kinda-ish |
| 07:51.34 | jeebusroxors | isp blocking incoming 80s? |
| 07:51.44 | cilkay | You should use mod_rewrite then. |
| 07:52.22 | khaleel5000 | i wanted to see my kernel logs ...... at startup I see that my system starts the klogd .....and as root when i just typed klogd and pressed enter it said its already running, in the manual of klogd it is being said that it logs kernel messages in /proc/kmsg ....... i have a /proc folder and :-proc /proc proc defaults 0 0 is my fstab line for proc and the kmsg file is tehre but its empty?!...is it |
| 07:52.22 | khaleel5000 | normal or is tehre ant part where i am wrong ?, Linux K-debian 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux <---- i have debian etch |
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| 07:52.35 | khaleel5000 | by normal i mean havning an empty klog file? |
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| 07:53.45 | khaleel5000 | or i have mistaken / not understood some part? |
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| 07:56.10 | nst | i've downloaded my webcam's driver and when i execute make..a lot of errors appears...something like "/usr/include/asm/string.h:302: error: `dest' undeclared (first use in this function) |
| 07:56.11 | nst | " |
| 07:56.15 | nst | how can i fix it |
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| 07:56.49 | wireddd | post the entire output to a pastebin |
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| 07:58.46 | dooglus | khaleel5000: aren't the logs you want in/var/log/kern.log ? |
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| 08:00.05 | nst | wireddd, http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71508 |
| 08:00.06 | dooglus | khaleel5000: /proc/kmsg is a source of the messages, not the final resting place |
| 08:00.37 | krassy | what package i need to bring up VLAN`s , and need i a precompile kernel for do this ? |
| 08:01.51 | khaleel5000 | dooglus, ah so how do i know what is their final resting place (actually wanna know what services start on my pc when I boot so i can stop those services that I DONT Need :D got the only info about this stuff here http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/#contents |
| 08:02.20 | khaleel5000 | dooglus, am not 100% sure if its relevent saw klogd so manned it and came to know its use so got inquisitive |
| 08:02.53 | wireddd | nst, I think that it the most errors have seen in a compile in a long time |
| 08:03.04 | nst | i agree =p |
| 08:03.13 | wireddd | does it have a README file? |
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| 08:04.03 | wireddd | it probably depends upon some libraries that you don't have |
| 08:04.33 | nst | yes, ill see it |
| 08:04.50 | nst | one more thing...when i was trying to compile kernel v 2.6.x |
| 08:05.45 | nst | a select Load an alternate config file...right? but in the textarea to enter the configuration file i typed /boot/file and always return FILE DOESNT EXIST |
| 08:05.56 | nst | but it exists.. |
| 08:06.19 | liable | why not just copy into the source? |
| 08:06.26 | liable | named .config |
| 08:07.05 | khaleel5000 | dooglus, i go it......but i cant copy it to pate it at rafb.net/paste |
| 08:07.12 | nst | hum, then i typed .config and press ok and get back to select menu and press exit...then in terminal appears a message that means |
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| 08:07.32 | nst | by default, i supose that you dont know what you're doing...should i abort? (y/n) |
| 08:07.39 | nst | its normal? |
| 08:07.44 | liable | no |
| 08:07.47 | wireddd | khaleel5000, all of your log files for various things are stored in /var/log/somefileorfolder |
| 08:07.53 | nst | sux |
| 08:08.05 | liable | copy your config file from /boot into the source, and name it .config |
| 08:08.30 | nst | ok wait |
| 08:08.43 | cast | now whats the keyword to trigger dpkg to tell me about the empty package i want to make so that dependancies are satisfied |
| 08:09.20 | liable | !tell cast about equivs |
| 08:09.25 | liable | hrm |
| 08:09.29 | cast | excellent |
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| 08:11.33 | wireddd | khaleel5000, you need to look at this I think: http://qref.sourceforge.net/Debian/reference/ch-system.en.html#s-boot |
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| 08:13.23 | venger | Did webmail.wastl.net move? I haven't actually used it before it just comes up empty |
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| 08:17.32 | nst | liable, i've in /boot/ this file.,.config-2.4.27-2-386, right? |
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| 08:18.09 | venger | I'm looking for a POP3 server that allows browser based access, something like what webmail.XXXX.rr.com (Road Runner) facilitates. Am I dreaming? |
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| 08:18.42 | cast | gmail has pop3 and webaccess, right? |
| 08:19.00 | venger | Well I dont know but I can certainly investigate that one |
| 08:19.05 | cast | it does. |
| 08:19.13 | cast | there's no imap at this current point though |
| 08:19.34 | venger | thanks for the heads up, fortunately I don't require it |
| 08:19.38 | liable | nst: yep, do cp /boot/config-2.4.27-2-386 /usr/src/linux-blah/.config |
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| 08:20.31 | dooglus | yahoo has pop and web access too I think |
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| 08:20.41 | cast | shh. gmail wins. |
| 08:20.45 | dooglus | and probably hotmail too, I guess. |
| 08:20.59 | dooglus | I use gmail personally, but yahoo's pretty good now as well |
| 08:21.01 | nst | cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/src/linux-blah/.config': No such file or directory |
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| 08:21.08 | cast | maybe hotmail if you pay, they don't even give you email forwarding without paying :\ |
| 08:21.09 | nst | ops, w8 =p |
| 08:21.27 | nst | done |
| 08:21.27 | DARKGirl | hello everyone |
| 08:21.43 | cast | greetings dark one. |
| 08:21.45 | DARKGirl | i need some assitance with installing debian and getting the tools installed for the first time |
| 08:21.59 | venger | dooglus, yes naturally, but I currently use my rr accounts, and have fetchmail retrieve, spam assassin, process and then dovecot allows me to access the mail that went though. So with that I'm looking for a little more functionality over dovecot |
| 08:22.05 | cast | DARKGirl: the tools being? |
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| 08:22.23 | venger | c/, process/process, |
| 08:22.28 | liable | the problem being? |
| 08:22.48 | DARKGirl | aigkz and beryl |
| 08:23.09 | DARKGirl | kde |
| 08:23.35 | cast | kde is easy. nfi @ first two, they're not in my etch sources |
| 08:23.56 | liable | debian has beryl? |
| 08:24.09 | DARKGirl | it better |
| 08:24.14 | liable | aiglx i think she meant.. :) |
| 08:24.28 | DARKGirl | is it like beryl? |
| 08:24.30 | nst | liable, look at this uheuehuh http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71509 |
| 08:24.34 | liable | it has compiz, no beryl yet |
| 08:24.50 | simonrvn | derived from compiz |
| 08:24.52 | liable | its a fork of compizzle |
| 08:26.00 | liable | nst: yikes |
| 08:26.15 | nst | bad luck =p |
| 08:26.22 | cast | [beryl] 'Uses flat file backend instead of gconf, almost no GNOME dependency.' yay. i think i like it |
| 08:26.29 | No_Ident | Hello, was wondering if someone could help me with gtk-gnutella? I can launch it, but it just hangs without actually opening, I can paste the output from the shell to #flood if need be. |
| 08:26.34 | liable | nst: dunno what the problem is with that.. rm that file and just go through the config yourself |
| 08:26.41 | dooglus | khaleel5000: look in /etc/rc2.d to see what services you're running |
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| 08:27.37 | LunarCrisis | I don't have xscreensaver running, but it seems that my screen blanks out after a while anyways, is there a way to disable this? |
| 08:28.12 | nst | liable, if i choice other option to compile kernel 2.6 i ll lost some data? |
| 08:28.16 | cast | hmm. so are the compiz etch packages immediately usable? or will i have to screw around with something |
| 08:28.44 | solars | hey, does the urxvt from unstable support transparency already? or do I need the cvs one |
| 08:28.51 | liable | nst: eh? i dont understand what you mean |
| 08:29.01 | liable | nst: why are you compiling anyway? |
| 08:29.19 | nst | because some newest drivers requieres it |
| 08:29.30 | liable | cast: should pretty much work. check your x log to see if aiglx is enabled |
| 08:29.44 | nst | you think it isnt necessary?: |
| 08:29.45 | liable | nst: just apt-get a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:29.57 | dooglus | venger: how does your mail get from fetchmail into spamassassin? |
| 08:30.38 | liable | cast: ati, nvidia or intel card needed btw |
| 08:30.39 | venger | dooglus, iirc it attaches into the mail app not fetchmail itself |
| 08:31.12 | LunarCrisis | solars, if you mean fake bg transparency, the one I'm using in testing supports it |
| 08:31.13 | venger | dooglus, i can check my config if you want specifics, its been a long time running with no problems |
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| 08:31.33 | Birmaan | morning |
| 08:31.43 | solars | LunarCrisis, you mean -ip right? I mean real alpha transparency though :) |
| 08:31.44 | dooglus | venger: I'm interested, 'cos I'm in the process of switching to a fetchmail/exim/spam-assassin/dovecot config myself |
| 08:31.46 | venger | cast, i feel silly i just realize gmail was google mail and not a standalone app that i'm look for the linux accounts |
| 08:32.12 | dooglus | venger: I'm not clear what you're looking for, either. |
| 08:32.18 | LunarCrisis | solars, you mean x compositing stuff? |
| 08:32.25 | cast | venger: so it was or wasn't what you wanted? |
| 08:32.34 | solars | LunarCrisis, http://forum.beryl-project.org/topic-1652-howto-rxvt-unicode-with-true-transparency-dapper |
| 08:32.38 | LunarCrisis | solars, ok, then I have no idea =) |
| 08:32.44 | solars | hehe :) no problem |
| 08:32.56 | dooglus | venger: you want a mail server which offers webmail as well as POP access? |
| 08:33.07 | venger | dooglus, exactly |
| 08:33.29 | dooglus | venger: why POP rather than IMAP? |
| 08:33.33 | venger | dooglus, basically what gmail and hotmail all do themselves only i do it locally |
| 08:33.54 | dooglus | (and why does my ssh connection to my IRC host time out sometimes when I'm in the middle of typing a sentence?) |
| 08:34.11 | dooglus | (I reconnect, and 'screen -d -r' to reconnect, and carry on with the sentence, but it's annoying) |
| 08:34.32 | liable | never had a ssh connection time out on me |
| 08:34.54 | simonrvn | KeepAlive yes |
| 08:35.26 | dooglus | liable: it used to be that I'd leave the window idling, then come back and find it timed out |
| 08:35.45 | dooglus | liable: but recently, it's been timing out while I type. I added a "ServerAliveInterval 30" to my .ssh/config, but it didn't help |
| 08:36.29 | venger | dooglus, yes i see now i put it in the transports section in exim.conf thats how spamassassin is called when fetchmail retrieves |
| 08:37.18 | dooglus | simonrvn: do you mean 'TCPKeepAlive'? |
| 08:37.32 | simonrvn | yeh, whatever it's called |
| 08:38.58 | dooglus | simonrvn: "TCPKeepAlive yes" causes connections to die quicker than "TCPKeepAlive no" |
| 08:39.16 | liable | dooglus: hrm, i havent got access to mine atm, but i used to leave a connection going for days without it timing out |
| 08:39.29 | dooglus | liable: I've seen that before, too |
| 08:39.31 | cast | liable: hmm, this aiglx..how does one enable that? |
| 08:39.35 | simonrvn | really? weird |
| 08:39.53 | simonrvn | i haven't had that happen |
| 08:40.11 | liable | cast: should be enabled by default, have a read of your x log |
| 08:40.16 | cast | aye |
| 08:40.17 | dooglus | liable: I've been connected to machines for hours without having the ethernet cable plugged in before. ie. log in, unplug cable, wait an hour, replug cable, hit return and get a new shell prompt back from the remote host |
| 08:40.42 | liable | heh |
| 08:41.03 | dooglus | simonrvn: that's what it's designed to do - it regularly checks that the remote host is reachable, and dies if it isn't, whereas TCPKeepAlive no will wait for the remote host to be available agaibn |
| 08:41.06 | simonrvn | i've had the - to me - expected behaviour from that. something in-between is affecting it |
| 08:41.57 | dooglus | venger: can you pastebin the relevant section please? |
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| 08:44.20 | simonrvn | thanks |
| 08:44.31 | liable | laters |
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| 08:45.57 | cast | mmm. just noticed. nvidia non-free driver is alot faster than free one, even in 2D. my terminal transparency transparency doesn't lag with the non-free |
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| 08:46.57 | liable | hrm, my tzconfig is missing a file |
| 08:47.18 | venger | dooglus, yes but to #flood? |
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| 08:48.02 | liable | cast: aiglx wont work with the non free driver btw |
| 08:48.21 | cast | i gave up anyway. e is pretty enough :) |
| 08:48.41 | liable | ya, 17 is wuite nice |
| 08:48.46 | liable | quite even |
| 08:49.43 | liable | you cant use compiz with e at any rate.. |
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| 08:49.53 | liable | seeing as e is a wm |
| 08:51.33 | raphi_92 | what's the time please ? |
| 08:52.08 | liable | !time |
| 08:52.09 | dpkg | hmm... time is found on http://www.time.com/, or 2006.11.25 8:52:09, or an illusion, and lunchtime doubly so - Ford Prefect said that. of no essence here! |
| 08:52.27 | raphi_92 | ty :) |
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| 08:52.48 | DARKGirl_ | what happened to linux finds your hardware? |
| 08:53.00 | venger | dooglus are you on exim4? |
| 08:53.02 | DARKGirl_ | Iam trying to install Debian and its not finding crap |
| 08:53.10 | cast | DARKGirl_: crap being what...? |
| 08:53.20 | DARKGirl_ | and i dont have any freaking linux drivers |
| 08:54.12 | DARKGirl_ | :no common cd drive was detcted |
| 08:54.22 | venger | i just realized alot of nicks start with 'd' |
| 08:54.34 | ApTek | venger: Bored much? :) |
| 08:54.42 | DARKGirl_ | it wont detect my keyboard either |
| 08:54.45 | DARKGirl_ | which is crap too |
| 08:54.54 | DARKGirl_ | i dont know why linux wont detect my keyboard |
| 08:54.55 | DARKGirl_ | ever |
| 08:54.58 | venger | well i was trying to help dooglus out but he musta AFK'd |
| 08:55.04 | DARKGirl_ | nothing except knoppix |
| 08:55.14 | cast | DARKGirl_: eh...what kind of comp? |
| 08:55.27 | liable | DARKGirl_: what installer are you using? |
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| 08:55.46 | liable | although any old installer should find a damn keyboard... |
| 08:55.51 | wireddd | is there a command that will transfer everything that is swapped back into memory? |
| 08:55.53 | DARKGirl_ | this is a regular computer |
| 08:55.57 | DARKGirl_ | non mac |
| 08:56.04 | DARKGirl_ | amd64 |
| 08:56.10 | DARKGirl_ | USB keyboard and mouse |
| 08:56.18 | DARKGirl_ | (finds mouse, but not keyboard) |
| 08:56.28 | kenboo | wireddd, swapoff? |
| 08:56.38 | quintin | Anyone please to be helping me with binary drivers? =) can't get GLX to work |
| 08:56.56 | quintin | wireddd: man swapoff |
| 08:57.04 | cast | when you say not keyboard do you mean the keyboard doesn't work at all or it asks you to select what keymap? [seems morelikely than a kb not working at all is all..] |
| 08:57.30 | DARKGirl_ | it doesnt work at all |
| 08:57.50 | cast | DARKGirl_: got one of those usb2ps2 connectors? :) |
| 08:57.51 | DARKGirl_ | it does ask for a keymap but it specifies that it must be PS/2 type |
| 08:57.55 | DARKGirl_ | nope |
| 08:58.06 | DARKGirl_ | wait |
| 08:58.08 | DARKGirl_ | i might |
| 08:58.14 | venger | dooglus, i need to go afk, heres a url for spamassassin with exim4 if you are still exim3 it will be a little different which I have that ready to pastebin to #flood if you need it. http://www.win.tue.nl/~martijna/Debianstuff/ |
| 08:58.30 | cast | the bios will have an option for 'legacy keyboard' i think, not sure what that will do or if it'll help |
| 08:58.43 | kenboo | since knoppix can detect the keyboard, it should be a matter of boot option so that kernel loads proper mod |
| 08:59.47 | DARKGirl_ | nope |
| 08:59.50 | DARKGirl_ | its ps2 to usb |
| 09:01.18 | DARKGirl_ | but debian cant even detect and mount my drive |
| 09:01.23 | DARKGirl_ | so meh |
| 09:01.42 | DARKGirl_ | i am thinking about just downloading the updated version of knoppix and installing it to drive |
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| 09:02.14 | liable | what installer are you using? |
| 09:02.29 | DARKGirl_ | what do you mean? |
| 09:02.30 | liable | and if its sarge, have you tried the other kernel? |
| 09:02.32 | quintin | Can someone here with a vanilla xorg pastebin their Xorg log please? |
| 09:02.35 | DARKGirl_ | the one that installes from ftp |
| 09:03.07 | liable | quintin: you can move the file, then touch it and do the md5sum magic for a fresh one |
| 09:03.22 | liable | !tell quintin about xmd5 |
| 09:03.37 | venger | DARKGirl_ usually you have OS or Bios support for the keyboard and mouse have you flipped the keyboard setting |
| 09:03.49 | quintin | liable: .. wtf? |
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| 09:04.25 | quintin | liable: how the hell is that applicable? I want someone's log. and for xorg, not xf86 |
| 09:04.25 | liable | quintin: move the file, 'touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf' then do the md5sum thing to it |
| 09:04.41 | DARKGirl_ | i had legacy usb support turned on, but still didnt work |
| 09:04.51 | liable | quintin: my bad, i didnt read the log bit.. |
| 09:05.02 | kenboo | DARKGirl_, what's the model of your pc, exactly? |
| 09:05.09 | liable | i thought you meant conf.. |
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| 09:05.55 | DARKGirl_ | its my own make |
| 09:05.56 | DARKGirl_ | brb |
| 09:05.59 | quintin | liable: no. I need to see some log outputs from someone else's xorg in /var/log |
| 09:09.42 | liable | !ping |
| 09:09.42 | dpkg | pong |
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| 09:13.12 | liable | .au? |
| 09:13.24 | cast | aye. |
| 09:13.43 | xingu | throw another shrimp on the barbie mate |
| 09:13.58 | liable | heh |
| 09:14.13 | venger | quintin, still need a log? it just so happens i have glx enabled |
| 09:14.56 | quintin | I HAVE ACCELLARTIEADN 3D IN LEEEEEEEEENUX |
| 09:14.58 | quintin | THE POLYGONS!!!! |
| 09:15.01 | quintin | WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOooooooooooooo |
| 09:15.15 | quintin | venger: I had to tell it to allow composite+GLX .. wtf? |
| 09:15.18 | quintin | anyway it seems to go ? |
| 09:15.31 | quintin | TUXCART AT MORE THAN 1 FPS!! |
| 09:15.33 | quintin | pwn! |
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| 09:16.24 | solars | does anyone know how to get the current aterm font ? |
| 09:17.54 | venger | quintin, must be an nvidia thing |
| 09:18.00 | kenboo | what package do i need for /usr/bin/mkcfm ? |
| 09:18.19 | cast | kenboo: on packages.debian.org you can search pkg contents |
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| 09:19.26 | quintin | venger: what card you are using? |
| 09:19.57 | liable | kenboo: /msg dpkg search |
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| 09:20.17 | venger | in the linux server i believe its an old radeon 7500 |
| 09:20.21 | jeebusroxors | man |
| 09:20.25 | DARKGirl_ | ok |
| 09:20.28 | jeebusroxors | why do i have no snmp? |
| 09:20.31 | DARKGirl_ | i got the keyboard to work |
| 09:20.33 | DARKGirl_ | but |
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| 09:20.47 | jeebusroxors | the package is installed |
| 09:20.49 | enouf | DARKGirl_: how |
| 09:20.58 | solars | does anyone know how to get the current font a x terminal is using ? |
| 09:21.07 | jeebusroxors | but theres no efing snmp |
| 09:21.21 | kenboo | looks like no package offers /usr/bin/mkcfm . |
| 09:21.28 | cast | solars: are you configuring xterm by any chance? |
| 09:21.44 | enouf | DARKGirl_: ..?? |
| 09:21.47 | solars | cast, I'm configuring urxvt and want the font aterm uses :) |
| 09:21.56 | DARKGirl_ | look in linux, lol |
| 09:22.04 | solars | cast, but don't know how to find out which one it is |
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| 09:22.39 | xingu | solars: maybe xwininfo |
| 09:22.54 | liable | !.ja |
| 09:23.42 | cast | ahh. well mine uses aterm*font:*-*-fixed-medium-r-normal--*-140-*-*-*-*-iso8859-, its not that far off the original. you can look through the possible fonts with... gtkfontsel |
| 09:23.45 | solars | xingu, thanks, but that doesn't show any fontlines :/ |
| 09:24.04 | ericP | anyone have a sources.list for the tokyo area? |
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| 09:24.37 | liable | ftp.jp.debian.org? |
| 09:24.52 | ericP | reasonable guess, i suppose |
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| 09:25.08 | ericP | hmm, i wonder if there's something on the keio network... |
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| 09:25.11 | liable | !tell ericP about mirrors |
| 09:25.32 | liable | ericP: search there web site to see if they have mirrors |
| 09:25.45 | kenboo | it seems mkcfm has been removed due to license issue |
| 09:26.28 | kenboo | x-ttcidfont-conf depends on it :( |
| 09:26.50 | liable | file a bug |
| 09:26.55 | solars | cast, hm seems to be the same one, I'll try to figure out how to specify it in urxvt |
| 09:27.32 | xingu | solars: -n fixed ? |
| 09:27.37 | xingu | err, -fn |
| 09:27.45 | kenboo | liable, i don't know the current status but it's discussed here. http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/06/msg00011.html |
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| 09:28.18 | solars | xingu, I mean the complete line for xdefaults, it doesn't like those fontlines |
| 09:28.25 | liable | kenboo: probably already filed then i guess |
| 09:28.44 | xingu | how annoying, there was an old Xt widget that would dump a window's properties and I can't remember its name |
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| 09:33.00 | xingu | aah; editres/ viewres |
| 09:33.22 | xingu | although curiously enough viewres is borken here |
| 09:37.00 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 09:37.00 | dpkg | <Guerin> JVaughn: it's probably bourbon. bourbon and whisky are different like knoppix and debian. |
| 09:37.12 | Phated | Heh. |
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| 09:41.47 | ericP | liable, tx. ring.asahi-net.or.jp was the clear winner |
| 09:41.59 | liable | sweet |
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| 09:44.19 | kenboo | ericP, are you in Tokyo? |
| 09:44.22 | ericP | (2.3s ping time and responsive ftp server and ...) |
| 09:44.50 | ericP | kenboo, sort of, closer to fujisawa, at the Keio SFC campus |
| 09:44.56 | kenboo | uh ic. |
| 09:45.04 | ericP | but headed into shonandai for dinner |
| 09:45.16 | ericP | (big city) |
| 09:45.17 | ericP | you? |
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| 09:45.33 | kenboo | ericP, Setagaya |
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| 09:48.04 | ericP | kenboo, 世田谷 ? |
| 09:49.00 | kenboo | ericP, zip 158-0095 |
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| 10:05.57 | guss | hi, i was trying to execute >> mkinitrd -o /boot/initrd-2.6.7-i386-c1.img 2.6.7-i386-c1 << but i get two messages that can be seen here: http://www.nomorepasting.com/paste.php?pasteID=71510 |
| 10:07.34 | guss | help |
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| 10:08.12 | xingu | guss: seems pretty self explanatory; however I didn't use initrd's that long ago, and they're initramfs' now... |
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| 10:08.49 | CharminTheMoose | i accidently deleted my .icons directory in /home/andrew,how do i get them back? |
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| 10:09.23 | xingu | guss: observe that it's using your 2.6.8 kernel's modules dir rather than your specified 2.6.7-i386-c1; must be a missing flag or something to control this |
| 10:10.00 | cast | CharminTheMoose: no idea. not sure if its worth the effect or recovering...in future an rdiff-backup of ~/ is a good idea imo :) |
| 10:10.03 | transgress | did debian decide not to use iceweasel? |
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| 10:11.05 | xingu | transgress: if they did it's news to me, it was in last thursday's updates for me. |
| 10:11.26 | transgress | xingu: i can't find it in the packages list on the site |
| 10:11.30 | guss | xingu yes, i got it in a tutorial..i forgot to change..my mistake =p |
| 10:11.40 | guss | but still bad ;/ |
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| 10:11.59 | xingu | !undelete |
| 10:12.00 | dpkg | from memory, undelete is great with Midnight Commander (mc). Just unmount the fs and select "Undelete files" in mc, or doesn't work for journalled filesystems; that's the point of journalling, after all |
| 10:12.03 | xingu | it's always worth a shot. |
| 10:12.29 | transgress | ice weasel is still using ff 1.5xx code right? |
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| 10:12.52 | xingu | in so far as firefox 2.0 is using firefox 1.5 code, I guess |
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| 10:13.39 | transgress | xingu: i was more of wondering if it had been updated using some of ff 2.0 code or is it going in a completely different direction after the code it started with |
| 10:13.54 | transgress | xingu: i wouldn't ask all this except the site doesn't give a terribly large amount of info on it |
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| 10:14.44 | xingu | transgress: what's open on my desktop at present appears to be a search'n'replace rebranding of ff2.0 to address the branding problem |
| 10:14.59 | transgress | ah interesting to know |
| 10:15.00 | transgress | thanks |
| 10:15.36 | xingu | transgress: but ff2.0 itself wasn't miraculously conceived, it has all sorts of ancestral code in it |
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| 10:16.42 | [Nige] | hi all |
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| 10:17.49 | transgress | xingu: i'm aware. i was more of wondering if they were going to use any of the new code from 2.0. or if they were going to be completely forking it |
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| 10:19.01 | luka | hi, |
| 10:20.03 | xingu | transgress: afaik the problem is a branding problem only |
| 10:20.40 | xingu | transgress: and only in so far as netscape have to protect theirs |
| 10:20.58 | transgress | but the changes to ice weasel isn't branding only. they changed some of the code |
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| 10:23.41 | xingu | transgress: very few debian binaries are unpatched; if you're really interested, I suggest you review http://ftp.uk.debian.org/debian/pool/main/i/iceweasel/iceweasel_2.0+dfsg-1.diff.gz |
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| 10:25.12 | dondelelcaro | transgress: the code changes are the same as the code changes in the version of firefox that we distribute. |
| 10:25.49 | transgress | so no changes for zero size images? |
| 10:25.56 | dondelelcaro | transgress: no. |
| 10:26.04 | transgress | ah interesting to know |
| 10:26.17 | dondelelcaro | transgress: that's GNU Iceweasel; we're not using their upstream, although we may in the future. |
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| 10:27.09 | solars | does anyone know what could cause that URxvt*shading: 50 is not working for me ? |
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| 10:31.05 | [Nige] | hi all |
| 10:31.21 | [Nige] | when i run iptables with ethernetbrige box, it kills my net |
| 10:31.34 | [Nige] | I get a very strange error mess under the web browser |
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| 10:43.58 | bokey | is anyone here aware of any ms webcam driver in Gnu/Linux ? |
| 10:44.14 | bokey | s/in/for |
| 10:44.37 | liable | for a microsoft webcam? |
| 10:44.52 | bokey | liable, yeah. lifecam vx 1000 |
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| 10:46.07 | bokey | liable, actually there seems to be none for ms webcam |
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| 10:46.22 | liable | bugger |
| 10:46.42 | crypt_ex | I cant apt-get update |
| 10:46.49 | crypt_ex | There are no public key available for the following key IDs: |
| 10:46.49 | crypt_ex | A70DAF536070D3A |
| 10:46.50 | bokey | liable, honestly! only logitech and other webcams. |
| 10:46.57 | crypt_ex | Where do I add this key? |
| 10:47.25 | cast | hmm @ no more systrace in apt |
| 10:47.45 | liable | crypt_ex: see /topic |
| 10:48.03 | crypt_ex | I have seen that liable |
| 10:48.13 | crypt_ex | and looked at dpkg output |
| 10:48.38 | crypt_ex | 2006 key ? |
| 10:48.39 | perlmonk | buying a microsoft webcam to run on linux ? |
| 10:48.47 | crypt_ex | was not sure if thats what I needed to do or not |
| 10:48.50 | perlmonk | Maybe I miss some logic |
| 10:48.59 | bokey | perlmonk, yeah. |
| 10:49.08 | bokey | perlmonk, it's my friends. =) |
| 10:49.14 | liable | crypt_ex: okie, substitute the key number its whining about for the one in the factoid |
| 10:50.03 | crypt_ex | okay thanks liable |
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| 10:50.25 | liable | crypt_ex: someone had a similar issue recently and that seemed to work |
| 10:51.11 | crypt_ex | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 10:51.33 | crypt_ex | which part to do I substitute. I mean the key is A70DAF536070D3A1 |
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| 10:52.09 | cast | then use --recv-keys A70DAF536070D3A1 and --export A70DAF536070D3A1 perhaps |
| 10:53.20 | bokey | perlmonk, are you aware of any drivers as such ? |
| 10:53.26 | perlmonk | no |
| 10:53.33 | bokey | perlmonk, cool. |
| 10:53.57 | liable | try --recv-keys 6070D3A1 then export the number that it gives |
| 10:53.59 | crypt_ex | thanks |
| 10:54.02 | perlmonk | well, you buy hardware before checking it's compatible... |
| 10:54.19 | perlmonk | or if it was a present, ask how to exchange it for an other |
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| 10:55.22 | bokey | perlmonk, it's my friend's. no fuss. I'll give it back to her. |
| 10:55.37 | bokey | perlmonk, thanks. =) |
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| 10:56.05 | perlmonk | bokey, I dono about any driver.... doesn't mean none exist |
| 10:56.23 | bokey | perlmonk, i've searched for the past 2 weeks. |
| 10:56.36 | perlmonk | ok.... write one then |
| 10:56.47 | liable | hrm, doesnt seem to be a bug yet for this new key problem.. |
| 10:57.00 | liable | crypt_ex: fixed? |
| 10:57.06 | bokey | perlmonk, assuming you are *perl* monk, i'd be a fool to not take your advise. =) hehe.. i was just curious if people knew about it's existence. that's all. |
| 10:57.13 | crypt_ex | yup, thanks liable |
| 10:57.26 | perlmonk | :P |
| 10:57.33 | crypt_ex | wow, its been a while since I did a apt-get upgrade :S |
| 11:01.05 | [Nige] | does anyone have any knowlege of ebtables? |
| 11:01.14 | liable | yay, ipw3945 finally made the repos |
| 11:01.28 | perlmonk | !publick key |
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| 11:01.35 | perlmonk | !public key |
| 11:01.35 | dpkg | Seeing "There are no public keys available"? This means that the Release file has been signed by a key which you do not have. If it's signed by another key which you do have, you can ignore the warning. Otherwise, you can add the key listed *AFTER* checking the validity of the signatures on the key. Ask me about <2006 key> or <etch key> for more details. |
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| 11:01.57 | itchi | liable: ipw in sid? |
| 11:02.03 | liable | ya |
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| 11:02.18 | itchi | liable: cool, hope it goes fast to Etch :- |
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| 11:03.08 | liable | be interesting to see how it deals with starting the daemon |
| 11:03.29 | itchi | liable: I dunno, i guess /etc/init.d/foo ?? |
| 11:03.44 | liable | unfortunately, probably yes |
| 11:04.04 | nst_ | i did execute this command >> make-kpkg kernel_image << then the terminal "freeze in >> Kernel log buffer size (16 => 64KB, 17 => 128KB) (LOG_BUF_SHIFT) [0] (NEW) << is it normal? |
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| 11:04.59 | Goyim | whats the latest "stable" kernel for p4? |
| 11:05.09 | Goyim | debian kernel I mea |
| 11:05.13 | liable | what release? |
| 11:05.27 | Goyim | whatever the latest stable debian release is |
| 11:05.35 | liable | 2.6.8 |
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| 11:05.59 | Goyim | do either of the other branches use a 2.6.10 or above kernel? |
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| 11:06.42 | Lord_Wind | hi |
| 11:06.55 | Lord_Wind | I have a question |
| 11:07.06 | Eulex | Goyim, nope |
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| 11:07.09 | blondie | ask it then |
| 11:07.18 | Lord_Wind | please help me with: http://pastebin.ca/257469 |
| 11:07.18 | liable | Goyim: etch has 2.6.17 or 18 |
| 11:07.38 | Goyim | k thanks |
| 11:07.41 | liable | i think they wanted to release with .18 |
| 11:07.42 | Lord_Wind | I cant understand how to make this mapping |
| 11:08.16 | Eulex | Goyim, sorry, thought you meant branches as in arches |
| 11:08.22 | itchi | liable: Still .17 now :-/ |
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| 11:09.01 | liable | oh |
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| 11:09.17 | Goyim | Eulex, no I meant the diff versions, im not sure what theyre called, stable, testing, unstable |
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| 11:10.11 | Lord_Wind | if someone knows how to do this mapping, please explain to me |
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| 11:11.36 | Eulex | Lord_Wind, #postfix or #mysql might |
| 11:12.03 | Lord_Wind | ok |
| 11:12.12 | Lord_Wind | I'll ask there |
| 11:12.55 | liable | bleh, they start it with init |
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| 11:13.26 | yess | Hello. |
| 11:13.55 | yess | How do I resize an ext3 partition? Can I do it with mounted ro, or do I have to unmount? |
| 11:14.21 | liable | you need to remove the journal (iirc) |
| 11:14.34 | liable | and yes, when its unmounted |
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| 11:15.22 | liable | a rescue/live cd is the obvious solution |
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| 11:16.02 | boodie | Hi all; does anybody know how to launch the game "tremulous" |
| 11:16.40 | boodie | !tell boodie tremulous |
| 11:17.14 | Eulex | !tell boodie about selftell |
| 11:17.42 | yess | liable: Ok. These are the prerequisites. And once I have met them? |
| 11:17.54 | Eulex | boodie, the binary is /usr/games/tremulous |
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| 11:18.29 | ArtVandalae | When "Number concerning the next release" on http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ reaches 0, is that when etch will release? |
| 11:18.46 | liable | yess: then you resize it :) |
| 11:18.55 | yess | How? |
| 11:19.10 | yess | Do You know? |
| 11:19.26 | tralala | yess, resize2fs |
| 11:19.26 | yess | resize2fs. Ok. |
| 11:19.32 | liable | yess: with qtparted/gparted/parted |
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| 11:20.02 | boodie | Well, yes; 1) I launch tremulous-server; 2) I launch tremulous, but when I try to connect to a server the PC freezes + I have to reset |
| 11:20.39 | yess | Partition sizes are already bigger. I loaded partitions with images (using partimage) and now I want to enlarge the filesystems to meet the actual partition sizes. |
| 11:20.44 | tralala | boodie, investigate the reason and report a bug |
| 11:21.21 | boodie | It's only a game, but I'm certainly missing something |
| 11:23.05 | liable | yess: use resize2fs as tralala mentioned then |
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| 11:27.54 | liable | @annoy tralala |
| 11:27.56 | ravenbird | tralala: bash: FFS: command not found!!!!! |
| 11:28.10 | tralala | weak attempt |
| 11:28.26 | tralala | !irritate liable |
| 11:28.27 | dpkg | liable: wenas where cn I get w4arez 4 debina lol U FUX0RZ |
| 11:28.48 | tralala | This is how you do it!!!1 ;) |
| 11:29.04 | liable | yah, the annoy one was pathetic.. :( |
| 11:29.15 | liable | !wenas |
| 11:29.15 | dpkg | [wenas] Spanish term for someone who likes to stuff small rodents and tomatoes up their rectum. |
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| 11:29.26 | liable | o_0 |
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| 11:29.54 | Eulex | boodie, what about other programs using opengl, do they work? |
| 11:30.02 | tralala | I didn't need ot hear that... |
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| 11:31.49 | boodie | Eulex: such as? |
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| 11:34.01 | Eulex | boodie, I assume you do have glxgears |
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| 11:35.29 | boodie | Nope |
| 11:35.56 | Eulex | install mesa-utils then |
| 11:36.50 | Eulex | though it's very odd, as xbase-clients depends on mesa-utils |
| 11:37.39 | boodie | Ok ... done |
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| 11:38.32 | boodie | Hmmm ... does the absence of this package could freeze the computer while trying to play with tremulous? |
| 11:38.52 | liable | extremely doubtfull |
| 11:39.50 | jatt | which program should I use to adjust the fonts of qt-applications? I use xfce4 and don't have kde installed (and don't want to install it just to use kcontrol). |
| 11:39.53 | sphenxes | i have order an external hard drive. I would divided in 4 partitions and would encrypt only one partition using my first comptuer (PC1). my question what happen if i try to transfer data from the encrypted partition to another comptuer? (accroding to my understing it won't work and that is my aim). please correct me if i am wrong. Second: what is the best way to secure my data on the external hard drive (in case of lost or t |
| 11:39.53 | sphenxes | heft). Is encryption of data is enough. btw the encrypted data is only backup files, i don't care if they are lost. any advice please |
| 11:40.05 | matholio | any new on an Etch release date ? |
| 11:40.07 | tralala | the most common reason for linux freezing is bad drivers |
| 11:40.25 | tralala | matholio, it's delayed |
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| 11:42.08 | boodie | Mah ... maybe I should just forget it |
| 11:43.13 | boodie | Pity, though - looked good; any suggestion on a playable game? |
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| 11:43.17 | tralala | sphenxes, ask ##linux |
| 11:45.35 | sphenxes | tralala, thanks |
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| 11:46.42 | jatt | qtconfig-qt3 |
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| 11:56.45 | freight | !dpkg |
| 11:56.45 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
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| 12:01.35 | dooglus | I'm trying to decide whether to use Maildir or mbox for my email. I had heard that mbox isn't very good for large folders, but upon trying Maildir, that seems to be VERY slow saving new messages to a large folder |
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| 12:01.55 | cast | i have 10000 emails in a mbox file |
| 12:02.03 | cast | takes a few seconds to open in mutt, sure |
| 12:02.05 | freight | !slackware |
| 12:02.05 | dpkg | it has been said that slackware is a distribution made by Patrick. See ##slackware, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/slackware.jpg |
| 12:03.01 | dooglus | I am trying to move a folder of 8000 messages from my old mbox folder to a Maildir folder. So far is has moved 6000 of them, and is taking over 1 second per email at the moment. They're all around 1KB in size |
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| 12:04.02 | dooglus | I imagine the choice of filesystem is quite critical, since Maildir will be making thousands of tiny files |
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| 12:05.21 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: the speed of the HD is another major problem with maildir. But for operations with 10-20 mails it is fast (because all HD-ops will be made later and async). |
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| 12:09.22 | dooglus | pumpkin0: the same is true of mbox isn't it? most MUAs will make a message for deletion and only re-write the folder when you 'purge' deleted messages |
| 12:09.23 | berkes | afternoon. Im all new to bind9, but I need to configure a single entry so that it does not only handles 'www.foo.bar', but 'foo.bar' too. |
| 12:09.29 | berkes | any hints on where I should lookN? |
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| 12:10.46 | dooglus | pumpkin0: also, I'm a bit confused as to why this is being so slow. it's taking over 1 second to write a 1KB file, the CPU is mostly idle, it's a local copy, so it's not network constrained... where exactly is the bottleneck, and how can I tell? |
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| 12:11.58 | dooglus | pumpkin0: I'm wondering whether the filesystem driver/kernel module/whatever is using 100% CPU but top isn't showing it because it's in the kernel - is that a possibility? |
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| 12:13.31 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: run "sync". After the HD settles again the copy will be a bit faster for some seconds. (and it is way faster to extend / skrink a file then to create a new one) |
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| 12:16.04 | dooglus | pumpkin0: there are 6000 or so files in the directory it's trying to create a new file in. and I can see it will have to check against them all to know it's not overwriting one of them, but the list of files in the directory must be in RAM by now, so would disk throughput really be the bottleneck? |
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| 12:17.41 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: a new-file-op has to: modify the free-blocks-list, modify the dir-file, create the file-header. All these ops have to write to the HD. That is the breaking point. |
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| 12:18.33 | dooglus | pumpkin0: a new-file-op has to do all those things whether there a 6 or 6000 files in the directory, right? I don't usually see a 1-second-per-file delay on creating files |
| 12:18.58 | dooglus | pumpkin0: and if it helps explain things at all, running 'sync' had no noticeable effect on the speed at all, not even temporarily |
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| 12:19.30 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: i forgot: it has to log all these ops first in the journal and mark them as done afterwards. |
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| 12:20.07 | dooglus | pumpkin0: but again, that's a constant, right? the time that takes, and the amount it has to journal won't increase when writing to a big directory? |
| 12:21.34 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: yes, but you usually do not execute all these ops in one go. The journal gets written, but the rest is delayed for some time. Afterwards, then the system is idle, all the modifications get flush to the disk. your system is currently flushing the modifications for mail 5500-5600 and showing progress of the mails 6000-6100 |
| 12:22.06 | pumpkin0 | dooglus: and the journal has a limited size. If it´s full old ops have to be flushed first. |
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| 12:23.40 | crypt_ex | Is C or C++ a dead language now, or are still very good languages to learn? I am very happy with Perl but wanna get my teeth into something else but unsure which language to go down? Cant askin a language specific due to biased replies lol |
| 12:24.00 | tralala | crypt_ex, python |
| 12:24.03 | dooglus | pumpkin0: before moving this big folder, I moved hundreds of smaller folders. that's more messages that I'm moving now, but split over lots of small directories. that went really quickly. |
| 12:24.07 | xingu | dooglus: what does cat /sys/block/${yourblockdev}/queue/scheduler say? |
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| 12:24.17 | tralala | but then again I'm biased and I'm in #python |
| 12:24.19 | gimmulf | In what package is mail?' |
| 12:24.29 | dooglus | gimmulf: mailx I think |
| 12:24.52 | crypt_ex | tralala, thats a happening language at the mo I take it then? |
| 12:25.38 | tralala | crypt_ex, I'm not sure what you mean. |
| 12:25.55 | liable | !dict happening |
| 12:25.55 | dooglus | xingu: it says "noop anticipatory deadline [cfq]" |
| 12:25.57 | dpkg | Dictionary 'happening' (4 of 7): There shall no evil happen to the just. --Prov. xii. 21. ;; an event that happens [syn: {occurrence}, {natural event}] ;; Happen \Hap"pen\, v. i. [imp. & p. p. Happened; p. pr. & vb. n. Happening.] [OE. happenen, hapnen. See Hap to happen.] 1. To come by chance; to come without previous expectation; to fall out. ;; All these things which had happened. --Luke xxiv. 14.. |
| 12:26.21 | crypt_ex | tralala, I mean the language is taking off, getting more popular etc....been hanging around waiting for the new Perl....but wanna play with something else. |
| 12:26.26 | liable | stupid dictionary |
| 12:27.15 | dooglus | crypt_ex: ruby is quite a nice thing to play with - it's newer and more happening than python, but hasn't overtaken it in popularity |
| 12:27.36 | xingu | dooglus: how about vmstat 1, under the si/so/bi/bo columns? |
| 12:27.36 | tralala | crypt_ex, yes, python is seeing a significant growth in popularity these days. Some people think it will become the next java. |
| 12:27.52 | crypt_ex | hmmmm, its a scripting language though right? |
| 12:28.28 | tralala | it is, but it is also compiled to byte-code |
| 12:28.58 | theo_ | NIce |
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| 12:29.07 | tralala | liable, too many void attempts today, eh? ;) |
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| 12:29.34 | crypt_ex | hmm, will have a play with Python then, should be easy to pickup considering perl coding daily |
| 12:30.13 | liable | tralala: i am not in good form.. (i hope that wasnt in reference to the wenas factoid) :P |
| 12:30.39 | liable | if you can understand perl.. |
| 12:30.56 | liable | then you need help :P |
| 12:31.23 | tralala | crypt_ex, the problem with python is that things are so obviously easy that people tend to overlook them. |
| 12:31.45 | crypt_ex | like what exactly? |
| 12:31.55 | crypt_ex | lazy programming you mean? |
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| 12:32.07 | Adriaan | hi |
| 12:32.20 | tralala | liable, yeah, I can tell :) and no I don't mean the wenas |
| 12:32.40 | tralala | crypt_ex, just get your hands dirty and you'll see what I mean. |
| 12:32.43 | dooglus | xingu: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/vmstat.txt |
| 12:32.52 | Adriaan | i have problems apt-get'ing php5. I have updated apt, but it still tells me there is no such package when I do 'apt-get install php5'. I have Voyage Linux distribution. |
| 12:32.59 | Adriaan | Could someoene please help me out? |
| 12:33.16 | dooglus | crypt_ex: python and ruby are both scripting languages, like Perl. |
| 12:33.17 | liable | wtf is voyage? |
| 12:33.19 | asg | Adriaan: #voyage |
| 12:33.34 | tralala | Adriaan, we don't use/know voyage here. |
| 12:33.35 | crypt_ex | dooglus, thats what I thought |
| 12:33.43 | asg | crypt_ex: do you do a lot of OO perl? |
| 12:33.53 | Adriaan | voyage is just a debian-based linux distribution |
| 12:34.00 | Adriaan | build for embedded linux boards |
| 12:34.09 | asg | !based on debian |
| 12:34.10 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
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| 12:34.16 | dooglus | crypt_ex: here's a graph of what's happening: http://www.google.com/trends?q=ruby+script%2Cperl+script%2Cpython+script%2C+vbscript+script&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all |
| 12:34.38 | dooglus | crypt_ex: what seems to be happening is people are stopping programming... they're all dying off... |
| 12:34.43 | Adriaan | asg, thank you |
| 12:34.47 | liable | Adriaan: aptitude search php |
| 12:34.59 | CharminTheMoose | why do people who use ubuntu and other debian based distros always come here? |
| 12:34.59 | Adriaan | liable, thanks too :) |
| 12:35.02 | crypt_ex | hmm |
| 12:35.18 | Adriaan | because irc is for quite much people the fastes solution |
| 12:35.35 | xingu | dooglus: "wa" is % iowait time as per top; your system is busier than one I'd want to be using as a user; are you sure that the only thing writing out is the process that's shuffling mail into that directory? |
| 12:35.37 | crypt_ex | dooglus, stopping programming? How can that be? I sys admin so I definately need it...but this is crazy? |
| 12:35.38 | Adriaan | and in most cases the channel of the distriubtion is idle or doesnt even exist :) |
| 12:35.50 | dooglus | CharminTheMoose: because #ubuntu isn't very good for getting help with anything unusual. it's ok for "how do I add the universe repository" and the like |
| 12:35.55 | asg | CharminTheMoose: usually, the 'based on' distributions default their irc clients to #debian because they are too lazy to change the default. |
| 12:36.09 | asg | Adriaan: time to find a more supported distribution then |
| 12:36.35 | CharminTheMoose | ah,how very damn interesting... |
| 12:36.37 | CharminTheMoose | :) |
| 12:36.58 | dooglus | xingu: I'm using evolution to do the moving, and dovecot as the IMAP server. I'm also not physically at the mackine, but VNC'ed into it, so the network activity you see is the vnc server spitting graphics at me |
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| 12:37.48 | xingu | dooglus: fair enough; sit back, have a coffee, and wait; at 3000-5000 blocks/s there's no bottleneck beyond spindle speed |
| 12:37.51 | dooglus | xingu: nothing else should be doing disk access, but is there some way I can check? |
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| 12:38.08 | Adriaan | asg, well except for bsd its the only OS running really well. Voyage is build for the type of board i have. |
| 12:38.21 | xingu | dooglus: there's no bi count or si/so (swap activity) so you're benchmarking raw disk write performance |
| 12:38.55 | asg | Adriaan: well, nothing wrong with running BSD. The error you are getting means that your /etc/apt/sources.list doesn't point to sources that contain php5 packages. S |
| 12:39.18 | xingu | dooglus: about the only way to speed that up is probably to buy higher rpm spindles and look at striping disks at some point |
| 12:39.28 | dooglus | xingu: how big is a block? did you say I'm writing 4000 blocks per second? |
| 12:39.37 | xingu | dooglus: per bo column, yes |
| 12:40.05 | xingu | dooglus: usually 4k or 8k; for ext2/3 - tune2fs -l /dev/sda6 or whatever. |
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| 12:40.31 | dooglus | ah. I maybe should have mentioned - this is all on reiserfs filesystem |
| 12:40.43 | xingu | even so |
| 12:41.19 | xingu | dooglus: there's only one blocking process (b column) so again this points to you benchmarking your actual blockdev write performance |
| 12:41.24 | bokey | xingu, hello =) |
| 12:41.39 | bokey | xingu, ho r you ? |
| 12:41.41 | xingu | dooglus: you can make it spin faster and you can make it wider (more data per iop, fewer iops per file) |
| 12:41.42 | dooglus | xingu: do you know if I can determine the blocksize of a reiserfs partition? |
| 12:41.46 | xingu | bokey: foine |
| 12:42.00 | dooglus | xingu: I imagine the solution is to fix dovecot to stop it writing so much. |
| 12:42.04 | xingu | dooglus: sorry, you're on your own there; would assume 4k or 8k, they're the vmm page sizes |
| 12:42.36 | dooglus | so I'm writing 4000 * 4k per second? that's 16MB per second? |
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| 12:42.42 | xingu | dooglus: maybe; but if you're uploading a local mail store and writing every message out from it, and that is your goal, there's no way to restructure the workload |
| 12:42.50 | xingu | dooglus: yep. |
| 12:43.07 | dooglus | xingu: interestingly, in the Maildir directory, I see this beast: |
| 12:43.10 | dooglus | -rw------- 1 chris chris 33892352 2006-11-25 13:42 dovecot.index.cache |
| 12:43.17 | xingu | dooglus: there you go then |
| 12:43.26 | xingu | dooglus: I bet it's growing quite quickly. :) |
| 12:43.26 | par | hi there |
| 12:43.41 | dooglus | xingu: that's 32MB - and it's taking about 2 seconds per message... I think dovecot is writing it every time a new message arrives in the folder... |
| 12:43.48 | par | any1 could please commenct this? http://p.defau.lt/?3S0WdRVKJE7p1_o_rPjBXQ , i do often see this when ftp disks are working hard |
| 12:43.53 | par | *comment |
| 12:43.53 | xingu | dooglus: "ouch" |
| 12:44.15 | dooglus | xingu: it's not growing very quickly. it's now: |
| 12:44.16 | dooglus | -rw------- 1 chris chris 34030592 2006-11-25 13:43 dovecot.index.cache |
| 12:44.26 | xingu | dooglus: ok so possibly it's just rewriting a page in there |
| 12:44.28 | dooglus | ie. it grew 200K in the last minute or so |
| 12:45.05 | xingu | dooglus: if you had more memory, and you don't, I'd suggest moving it to a tmpfs mount |
| 12:45.40 | dooglus | xingu: I would expect the kernel to cache that whole file in RAM, wouldn't you? |
| 12:45.54 | dooglus | it's being writen to over and over - it's the perfect candidate for caching? |
| 12:46.19 | xingu | dooglus: no; if the application is doing fsync() after write, and with a index it probably is, then the semantic being asked for by the application is io barrier until written to disk |
| 12:47.07 | xingu | dooglus: people who create indicies tend to want their IO to commit |
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| 12:47.28 | dooglus | xingu: look at the filename though - it's a cache, not an index? |
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| 12:48.37 | xingu | dooglus: easy enough to validate if you're root@; use fuser to find out what has it open (fuser -uf) and then strace -fp ${pid} |
| 12:49.14 | xingu | dooglus: that'll show you a trace of what it's trying; which is probably read/write against network fd; write to update index; write to add mailfile; write again to update index; fsync; loop |
| 12:49.19 | dooglus | xingu: I'm already running an strace, but without the -f. I'm scared to control-c the strace, because I've seen that have problems detaching before |
| 12:49.33 | xingu | dooglus: -f follows child pid's |
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| 12:49.53 | dooglus | xingu: ok, I'm pretty sure I'm tracing the right process. I see a lot of writes. |
| 12:49.56 | xingu | dooglus: not essential; paste a screenful or so if you're really keen and we can see |
| 12:50.12 | dooglus | xingu: but I'll wait for this big move to finish, then run a new strace while just moving one more message in there |
| 12:50.18 | anisfarhana | hello guys :) |
| 12:50.22 | anisfarhana | greetings |
| 12:50.28 | xingu | dooglus: interesting enough to look at your current view... |
| 12:50.35 | anisfarhana | does anyone know about miniserv here ? |
| 12:50.38 | nachos | hey |
| 12:50.46 | nachos | does anyone know of some massive text files? |
| 12:50.59 | nachos | I want like a ~10MB text file |
| 12:51.06 | cusco | what for? |
| 12:51.16 | nachos | I'm writing a seach indexer |
| 12:51.17 | asg | nachos: /usr/share/doc/exim4/spec.txt.gz |
| 12:51.24 | asg | nachos: gunzip that |
| 12:51.28 | cusco | grep -ir a /* >> big.txt |
| 12:51.37 | cusco | oops |
| 12:51.43 | nachos | whats /usr/share/doc/exim4/spec.txt.gz ? |
| 12:51.55 | liable | a big text file? |
| 12:51.56 | asg | nachos: specification document for the exim mta |
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| 12:52.42 | dooglus | xingu: I can't copy enough of it. it'll be finishing soon though, so I'll make a paste then. |
| 12:53.24 | dooglus | xingu: about 100 more messages to go, at .6 per second = 3 minutes or so I guess |
| 12:53.27 | xingu | dooglus: anyway, point is there's no system bottleneck; there's a little application stupidity, and a too-narrow-for-stupid-application io path, but that's as good as it gets |
| 12:53.59 | anisfarhana | Webmin and Usermin are vulnerable to a flaw that can allow a remote attacker to bypass authentication. The vulnerability is due to the way miniserv.pl processes session IDs that contain metacharacters. Attackers can use metacharacters to spoof a valid session ID and gain administrative access. |
| 12:54.16 | xingu | dooglus: "back in the day" there were nasty problems with ext3 htree implementation with large numbers of files in a single dir, but they're sorted now and you're using reiser anyway |
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| 12:54.35 | asg | anisfarhana: have you verified that this vulnerability exists in Debian? |
| 12:54.36 | anisfarhana | # file miniserv.pl |
| 12:54.36 | anisfarhana | miniserv.pl: perl script text executable |
| 12:54.45 | anisfarhana | asg: yes.. |
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| 12:55.19 | asg | anisfarhana: then file a bug |
| 12:55.19 | anisfarhana | asg : http://www3.ca.com/securityadvisor/vulninfo/Vuln.aspx?ID=7216 |
| 12:55.19 | dooglus | xingu: this probably isn't too good for my hard disk, to be constantly writing the same sectors over and over for 3 hours, would you say? |
| 12:55.24 | anisfarhana | asg : i just don't know what to do , seriously i am lost |
| 12:55.32 | asg | anisfarhana: again, have you verified that this vulnerability exists in Debian? |
| 12:55.43 | anisfarhana | asg : yes |
| 12:56.11 | anisfarhana | asg : why u asking me like that sir ? |
| 12:56.24 | xingu | dooglus: it's less good that it being switched off. :) |
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| 12:56.51 | asg | anisfarhana: because you are pointing to a 3 year old vulnerability. Have you checked the changelogs for debian's packages to verify that it has not been fixed already? |
| 12:56.54 | dooglus | sure |
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| 12:57.03 | xingu | dooglus: if it were a compactflash device, it would be lethal; if it were a fat fs, it would be a perfect worst-case |
| 12:57.06 | erore | I have a machine with 2 nic. It is connecter through nic1 (192.168.1.1) to the 192.168.1.0 and through nic2 (192.168.1.2) also to 192.168.1.0 The question is, can I communicate via nic1 with all machines in 192.168.1.0 except for 1 machine (e.g. 192.168.1.10) and communicate with 192.168.1.10 via nic2? |
| 12:57.13 | epsilon | anisfarhana: file a bug, but webmin isn't in etch anymore |
| 12:57.25 | asg | grrrrr |
| 12:57.31 | anisfarhana | :'( |
| 12:57.31 | dooglus | xingu: why would it be worse on fat than on reiserfs? |
| 12:57.43 | anisfarhana | asg / epsilon : again , i don't know what are u talking about |
| 12:57.44 | xingu | dooglus: I've run hdd's for *years* with that same workload (backing store for index in oracle) with no real harm |
| 12:57.54 | anisfarhana | please guide me |
| 12:58.05 | epsilon | http://bugs.debian.org |
| 12:58.14 | xingu | dooglus: growing a file on fat involves rewriting the whole fat for that dir |
| 12:58.24 | asg | anisfarhana: are you running Debian sarge or not? |
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| 12:59.07 | anisfarhana | asg : Debian Sarge 3.1 , that is what i read at the control panel |
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| 12:59.15 | xingu | dooglus: unless you're careful about implementation, you can wind up rewriting the fat a few million times a second... |
| 12:59.32 | anisfarhana | # cat /etc/*version |
| 12:59.32 | anisfarhana | 3.1 |
| 12:59.38 | anisfarhana | asg : correct ? |
| 12:59.53 | asg | anisfarhana: yes. |
| 13:00.13 | anisfarhana | asg : does miniserv.pl is an exploits ? |
| 13:00.20 | CharminTheMoose | When i run fsck.vfat on /dev/hda1 it tells me that the boot sector and it's backup are different,Should I shit my pants in panic? |
| 13:00.21 | asg | anisfarhana: look at /usr/share/doc/<pkg>/changelog.Debian.gz and see if the vulnerability mentioned was fixed. |
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| 13:01.15 | anisfarhana | asg : <pkg> is miniserv here ? |
| 13:01.46 | xingu | dooglus: vibration and heat are the two real killers for hdd's; full stroke seeks cause a little of both, but unless your io workload makes all the disks in a pack do the macarena like a gigantic newton's cradle, I doubt you've got anything to worry about there |
| 13:01.49 | asg | anisfarhana: I don't run webmin/usermin and wouldn't recommend anyone do so personally. However, if you look at the version mentioned on ca's site and reference it to the version in sarge, you will see that the sarge version is newer and therefore the vulnerability you mentioned doesn't exist in sarge. |
| 13:03.40 | anisfarhana | asg : yes got it , but i don't think i run webmin/usermin on my sarge |
| 13:03.40 | asg | anisfarhana: then why are you asking about it? |
| 13:03.55 | anisfarhana | asg : because i think miniserv is an exploit sir |
| 13:04.14 | anisfarhana | asg : and i dont know how if the miniserv is running by intruder |
| 13:04.40 | seth1248 | How can I find out what file is the keymap? |
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| 13:05.15 | asg | anisfarhana: the miniserv.pl process is part of webmin/usermin. Are you sure you don't have those installed? dpkg -l |
| 13:06.17 | anisfarhana | asg : i can't see anything about miniserv on dpkg -l |
| 13:06.46 | asg | anisfarhana: no, it would be webmin or usermin, miniserv is not its own package. |
| 13:06.48 | CharminTheMoose | When i run fsck.vfat on /dev/hda1 it tells me that the boot sector and it's backup are different,Should I shit my pants in panic? |
| 13:07.23 | asg | CharminTheMoose: nah, you can always restore from backups. |
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| 13:08.40 | anisfarhana | asg : no miniserv , no webmin , no usermin - http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Y2yXXw20.html |
| 13:08.56 | anisfarhana | asg : and why that stupid miniserv is running on my background box |
| 13:09.01 | anisfarhana | so frustateddd |
| 13:09.02 | asg | anisfarhana: then I'd expect the process is part of whatever silly panel software your hosting company is running. |
| 13:09.30 | anisfarhana | asg : ok , does it good or not ? |
| 13:10.29 | gimmulf | How do i find out if "mail" works |
| 13:10.35 | gimmulf | sending |
| 13:10.35 | asg | anisfarhana: I don't know, I'd ask your hosting company for a full inventory of what they added to your image and also for a security report on any software they did add. |
| 13:10.46 | asg | gimmulf: echo 'foo' | mail -s 'foo' me@somewhere |
| 13:10.47 | anisfarhana | ah :( i don't want asg come here and kill me using AK-47 , headshot :(( |
| 13:11.10 | Sir_Diddymus | hi all. I need some help with Debian Sarge and Apache/mod_ssl stable (1.3.33 and 2.8.22-1sarge1). I'm not able to set an environment variable with SetEnv (mod_env is loaded), and thus i think mod_ssl isn't either (HTTPS should be set to "on" when https is being used). Is this a Debian problem (missing packages, "security feature" or so), since on my Gentoo server it works? Thanx in advance for your help... |
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| 13:11.21 | asg | gimmulf: if you just want to verify routing and haven't installed another mta, exim4 -bt me@somewhere |
| 13:11.40 | gimmulf | asg: how do i send a mail to a user? |
| 13:11.49 | anisfarhana | asg : and i guess everything is ok now , if the intruder come and hack it back , i give this box to you for free |
| 13:11.50 | asg | gimmulf: mail user |
| 13:12.05 | Ronin | anisfarhana: or you could just do what asg suggested |
| 13:12.07 | asg | anisfarhana: I have enough of mine own to secure and administer, but thanks. |
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| 13:13.49 | anisfarhana | asg : irc:*:12759:0:99999:7::: , i see this line from cat /etc/shadow...what is IRC ? |
| 13:14.14 | anisfarhana | don't tell me its internet relay chat |
| 13:14.17 | asg | anisfarhana: a user for running irc related software. |
| 13:14.29 | asg | anisfarhana: it's in the base install whether you run and ircd or not |
| 13:14.50 | anisfarhana | asg : oh i thought someone running ircd on this box , the answer is no then |
| 13:15.26 | asg | anisfarhana: use netstat to find out what is running on ports on a box. If you think the box compromised, use nmap from another box to do a full portscan. |
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| 13:16.26 | anisfarhana | 44748 194.14.236.50:ircd ESTABLISHED |
| 13:16.28 | anisfarhana | ha! |
| 13:16.55 | DerJamster | heh. |
| 13:17.11 | anisfarhana | oh no no , that is DALnet |
| 13:17.28 | anisfarhana | i wish i can treat asg a cup of coffee! |
| 13:17.33 | oOGneaOo | anisfarhana: perhaps you installed an ircd? |
| 13:17.35 | asg | anisfarhana: is that your outbound connection to dalnet though? |
| 13:17.42 | DerJamster | do netstat -nlpt |
| 13:17.49 | anisfarhana | asg : yes , using bouncer to DALnet |
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| 13:17.51 | DerJamster | it will only show you listening tcp ports. |
| 13:17.56 | anisfarhana | oOGneaOo: no , that is my bnc |
| 13:18.18 | oOGneaOo | :) |
| 13:18.53 | anisfarhana | time for nmap |
| 13:18.56 | oOGneaOo | careful, netstat is often compromised to hide the actual connections |
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| 13:19.33 | oOGneaOo | a statically built busybox is a good jackknife |
| 13:20.49 | anisfarhana | i wish i can donate this box |
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| 13:21.31 | oOGneaOo | anisfarhana: do you have access to the ethernet cable that's plugged into it? :) |
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| 13:21.46 | anisfarhana | oOGneaOo: no , its vds from lycos |
| 13:21.57 | anisfarhana | only remote server |
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| 13:22.53 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 13:23.00 | anisfarhana | asg is helping me since yesterday |
| 13:23.03 | anisfarhana | thanks asg |
| 13:23.08 | oOGneaOo | right on |
| 13:23.14 | oOGneaOo | asg++ |
| 13:23.19 | anisfarhana | yes |
| 13:23.21 | anisfarhana | asg++ |
| 13:23.40 | solemnwarning | I'm trying to get an 8139 ethernet card working under a custom kernel, it works fine under the debian kernel and I copied the 8139 settings from the debian kernel |
| 13:24.00 | solemnwarning | But when I try using it under the custom kernel it gets this error when the module is loaded: http://rafb.net/paste/results/eNJNhd53.html |
| 13:24.17 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 13:24.44 | oOGneaOo | solemnwarning: tried the 8139cp.ko? |
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| 13:24.56 | solemnwarning | Yeah, but it's not the driver for my card |
| 13:25.05 | oOGneaOo | are you *sure*? |
| 13:25.09 | solemnwarning | I can use the card under debian kernel with 8139cp unloaded |
| 13:25.18 | oOGneaOo | i see. |
| 13:25.20 | solemnwarning | It only needs 8139too loaded under debian |
| 13:25.23 | amphi | solemnwarning: 8139too doesn;t work? |
| 13:25.28 | oOGneaOo | what kernel did you load? |
| 13:25.34 | solemnwarning | No, the errors are in that paste |
| 13:25.42 | solemnwarning | You mean custom kernel or debian kernel? |
| 13:25.51 | oOGneaOo | both |
| 13:26.05 | solemnwarning | 2.6.8-2-386 and 2.6.18.3 |
| 13:26.13 | oOGneaOo | what branch? |
| 13:26.21 | solemnwarning | Huh? |
| 13:26.26 | oOGneaOo | !branch |
| 13:26.26 | dpkg | [branch] what branch of Debian you are using: Sarge/Stable, Etch/Testing (soon to be Frozen), or Sid/Unstable |
| 13:26.31 | solemnwarning | stable |
| 13:26.32 | amphi | solemnwarning: oh, 2.6.18... |
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| 13:26.48 | oOGneaOo | solemnwarning: it looks like you got that 2.6.18 kernel from kernel.org |
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| 13:27.00 | solemnwarning | Yeah, normally works on my other machines |
| 13:27.24 | solemnwarning | I built 2.6.15 on this machine |
| 13:27.24 | oOGneaOo | ok well, can't help you with that, but you can get 2.6.18 in debian form via backports |
| 13:27.29 | oOGneaOo | !backports |
| 13:27.29 | dpkg | from memory, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 13:27.41 | solemnwarning | I want to compile a custom kernel for this machine |
| 13:27.44 | oOGneaOo | solemnwarning: try that kernel |
| 13:27.50 | oOGneaOo | so do it |
| 13:27.53 | solemnwarning | Does debian use a patched version of 8139too or somthing? |
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| 13:28.13 | oOGneaOo | well, it's a debianized kernel, and that's what we support here |
| 13:28.25 | oOGneaOo | i haven't had a problem with it |
| 13:29.03 | oOGneaOo | and yeah, i have a couple of 8139's |
| 13:29.21 | oOGneaOo | i keep trying to replace them ;) |
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| 13:30.20 | oOGneaOo | offtopic: i know someone wants to bid more than a buck on this hd: http://tinyurl.com/y77joe ;) |
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| 13:30.48 | liable | not likely |
| 13:31.32 | oOGneaOo | sons of the bitches. |
| 13:33.33 | d3c | Hey guys.. I accidentally deleted all of the files in /etc/php5/conf.d. Is there any way I can get them back? It was mysql.ini, mysqli.ini, pdo.ini and pdo_mysql.ini |
| 13:34.41 | oOGneaOo | d3c: just reinstall them |
| 13:35.20 | d3c | oOGneaOo,I'm pretty new to Debian. How do I do so? I tried re-installing mysql but that didn't recover them.. |
| 13:35.40 | oOGneaOo | you'd have to run dpkg -S <filename> on them |
| 13:35.53 | oOGneaOo | that will tell you what packages they came from |
| 13:36.35 | d3c | oOGneaOo,Ok and then I just re-install that package? But will re-installing overwrite my current settings? |
| 13:36.50 | amphi | !confmiss |
| 13:36.50 | dpkg | the reason you have to use dpkg --force-confmiss is because whenever your config files are gone, dpkg assumes you deleted them on purpose, and that you want them to stay deleted. You can also reinstall them using the following apt-get line: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-confmiss" --reinstall install <packagename> |
| 13:36.55 | oOGneaOo | d3c: *snortle* you have settings? |
| 13:37.04 | amphi | d3c: ^^^ perhaps |
| 13:37.44 | d3c | oOGneaOo,No I mean.. If the files are included in the php package, will my current php.ini then get overwrited? |
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| 13:41.02 | guebay | [Totla-Off-Topic] Hello, Can you try, please, to connect to www.linux-vserver.org ? I get today always "Unknown host linux-vserver.org" as an Error Message. |
| 13:41.30 | enouf | looking up host |
| 13:41.47 | enouf | host not found |
| 13:41.47 | amphi | guebay: "www.linux-vserver.org A record not found, server failure" |
| 13:41.59 | guebay | hmm |
| 13:42.08 | guebay | thanks guys, for trying |
| 13:42.19 | d3c | amphi and gnea, thanks. I've now recovered the files ;) |
| 13:42.27 | amphi | d3c: cool |
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| 13:48.42 | gimmulf | WHat pacage do i need t o install exim4? |
| 13:48.51 | gimmulf | exim & exim4? or just exim4? |
| 13:49.04 | asg | gimmulf: what version of debian are you using |
| 13:49.08 | gimmulf | exim - An MTA (Mail Transport Agent), exim4 - metapackage to ease exim MTA (v4) installation |
| 13:49.17 | lilalinux | does debian run on a MacBook Pro? |
| 13:49.52 | asg | gimmulf: also, exim (or exim4 if sarge or higher) should be installed by default. |
| 13:50.14 | dooglus | xingu: here's strace -fp output from moving 3 messages into the bug IMAP folder: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/strace.txt |
| 13:50.17 | mcnaft | lilalinux: just curious, why use a macbook for debian? |
| 13:50.18 | gimmulf | asg: im using sarge |
| 13:50.33 | asg | gimmulf: then, unless you removed it, it should already be installed. dpkg -l | grep exim |
| 13:50.39 | epsilon | exim is default-mta for debian atm |
| 13:50.54 | lilalinux | mcnaft: I want a notebook where I can install all 3 major OSes |
| 13:50.56 | gimmulf | asg: but i want to reinstall it, been messing around with configs when trying to get dovecot working |
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| 13:51.13 | asg | gimmulf: the install exim4-daemon-light (or exim4-daemon-heavy) |
| 13:51.37 | mcnaft | lilalinux: I see...can you install windows on a mac now? |
| 13:51.49 | lilalinux | mcnaft: and the macbook is the only notebook at the moment with a t7600 |
| 13:52.19 | lilalinux | mcnaft: yes, with bootcamp |
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| 13:52.57 | lilalinux | mcnaft: only the sata driver suxx with 20mb under xp |
| 13:52.58 | mcnaft | ok |
| 13:53.07 | lilalinux | in mac osx it's 40 |
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| 13:58.33 | xingu | dooglus: take a look for "msync" |
| 13:58.45 | xingu | dooglus: that is where it's creating the IO barrier on the index |
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| 14:00.48 | xingu | dooglus: it's writing to the index by mmaping it, msyincing the region, dirtying a page or three thousand who knows, then carrying on |
| 14:01.02 | xingu | dooglus: bet that's where the bulk of the io comes from |
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| 14:02.39 | cjari | hello, I was wondering what is the difference between testing and unstable repositories? I'd assume they both have pretty unstable software |
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| 14:05.50 | zarathustra-br | bom dia |
| 14:06.02 | zarathustra-br | estoi com um serio problema |
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| 14:06.25 | zarathustra-br | na inicialização do debian ele fica checando a força conta de 0 a 100% |
| 14:06.43 | dooglus | xingu: I notice that the time is shown regularly as an argument to gettimeofday(), so we can see where the delays are happening |
| 14:06.46 | zarathustra-br | termina e fala que arquivo de sistema duplicado ou bad block |
| 14:07.05 | asg | !br |
| 14:07.05 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 14:07.20 | zarathustra-br | valeu dpkg |
| 14:07.51 | asg | cjari: testing contains packages that have migrated from unstable (usually within 2 to 10 days) that don't contain RC bugs. |
| 14:08.14 | cjari | ash I see, thanks for the info |
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| 14:09.08 | asg | cjari: testing is *usually* a little more stable but there are no guarantees. Also, security support doesn't exist so running it in a production environment is not suggested. |
| 14:09.15 | Hoxzer | hi, I notice that make install of module tried to at line into /etc/modprobe.conf is that file same as /etc/modules.conf in debian? |
| 14:09.40 | edju | Before I screw things up to awfully bad, does the -s option for apt-get work harmoniously with -f? i.e., would -s -f tell me what would be fixed w/o actually doing anything? |
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| 14:10.31 | cjari | asg ok, I just want all the avaialble software packages because I want to test different software |
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| 14:11.32 | Malagmyr | Can anyone explain to me why people keep saying "kernal"? What is it with your language or heritage or whatever that makes a person say "kernal" consistently when they've seen it written correctly a thousand times? |
| 14:12.15 | asg | Malagmyr: blame the Intarweb |
| 14:12.23 | Malagmyr | :/ |
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| 14:13.05 | xingu | dooglus: good point, just doing some post-processing here to get line number vs seconds-offset |
| 14:14.17 | dooglus | xingu: look for the first occurrance of '1164462176' - that's the first time the seconds tick over. there's a fsync() just before it |
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| 14:14.52 | asg | Malagmyr: it could also be due to a misunderstanding between carnal knowledge and kernel knowledge |
| 14:15.55 | Malagmyr | whatever it is, I don't kere for it very much |
| 14:16.12 | Malagmyr | god, that was dry |
| 14:16.14 | Malagmyr | anyway... |
| 14:16.31 | dooglus | xingu: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/synctime.txt shows a summary of the time vs. the fsync() and msync() calls |
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| 14:18.06 | dooglus | xingu: incidentally, what is fstat64()? I can't find a man page for it |
| 14:18.23 | xingu | dooglus: 64bit clean version of fstat (largefile safe) |
| 14:19.05 | gimmulf | Anone who has setup exim4+Maildir? |
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| 14:19.44 | asg | gimmulf: should be covered in the documentation (/usr/share/doc/exim4/spec.txt.gz) or online at exim.org |
| 14:20.04 | gimmulf | asg: how do i read an .gz file? |
| 14:20.16 | asg | gimmulf: zless, zmore |
| 14:20.19 | gimmulf | thnx |
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| 14:20.49 | dooglus | xingu: odd that there's no man page for it, isn't it? |
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| 14:21.28 | xingu | dooglus: I think I can see the stupidity |
| 14:22.20 | dooglus | xingu: oh, do tell! |
| 14:23.02 | xingu | dooglus: every time you update a message, it rewrites the entirety of ... dovecot-uidlist |
| 14:23.08 | dooglus | gimmulf: I was asking about that earlier and was given a very nice looking URL. I've not tried it yet, but... |
| 14:23.10 | xingu | dooglus: from start through to end |
| 14:23.25 | dooglus | gim |
| 14:23.28 | dooglus | gimmulf: http://www.win.tue.nl/~martijna/Debianstuff/ |
| 14:23.28 | xingu | dooglus: and it's huge... 323KB maybe? |
| 14:24.02 | dooglus | xingu: -rw------- 1 chris chris 323681 2006-11-25 14:42 dovecot-uidlist |
| 14:24.10 | xingu | dooglus: that's the fella |
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| 14:24.26 | xingu | dooglus: have a look before that time rollover you mentioned; it writes it out in 4k chunks from head to tail |
| 14:24.29 | dooglus | xingu: but that doesn't account for taking over a second to process each message... I can write 16MB per second, right? |
| 14:25.00 | xingu | dooglus: which takes a coupla seconds; that's pretty dumb, but yeah lets look for other big gaps. |
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| 14:25.10 | dooglus | xingu: my suspect was this fella: " -rw------- 1 chris chris 36071424 2006-11-25 14:42 dovecot.index.cache" - he's 36MB. he's fd 9 in the strace |
| 14:25.41 | xingu | dooglus: quite possible; is there a multisecond gap between an mmap/munmap or mmap/msync pair? |
| 14:25.59 | dooglus | xingu: there are no multisecond gaps |
| 14:26.03 | xingu | dooglus: if they're not careful, mmap on him will pull the whole thing into memory, and msync will write it all back out |
| 14:26.39 | xingu | dooglus: wanna repeat the trace doing two messages one after the other the way you did your initial run through? |
| 14:27.07 | xingu | dooglus: the second one should show up there as a multisecond gap between first and second message (while the kernel flushes the mmap region to disk) |
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| 14:28.03 | dooglus | xingu: I'm sorry - I lied. the big file is fd 10, as seen here: "fstat64(10, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0600, st_size=36070400, ...}) = 0" |
| 14:28.26 | jindal | hola cydork :) |
| 14:28.36 | dooglus | xingu: the strace you have is me moving 3 messages at once. |
| 14:28.48 | cydork | jindal, hiya |
| 14:28.52 | xingu | oh cool; I'll get back to my perl then. |
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| 14:29.34 | dooglus | xingu: look at http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/link.txt , which is a summary of just the 'link' and 'unlink' syscalls |
| 14:29.47 | dooglus | xingu: you can see it repeats 3 times, for the 3 messages |
| 14:30.06 | xingu | dooglus: nb you can get strace to timestamp too |
| 14:30.24 | jindal | cydork, compiz is throwing error http://jindal.pastebin.ca/257569 |
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| 14:31.01 | dooglus | xingu: interesting. I'll do that. fractional stamps would be much more useful |
| 14:32.55 | Hoxzer | can I somehow get information about module (like when it was installed) |
| 14:33.26 | cydork | jindal, is compiz running already?? |
| 14:33.36 | jindal | nope! |
| 14:33.40 | streuner | Hoxzer: modinfo? |
| 14:34.18 | dooglus | xingu: http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/strace2.txt |
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| 14:35.16 | Hoxzer | streuner: thx |
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| 14:36.01 | xingu | dooglus: yep the whole thing is pretty retarded; updating the folder invalidates the index completely and it recreates it from scratch every time through |
| 14:36.12 | xingu | dooglus: have a look at the section with getdents64( |
| 14:36.33 | xingu | dooglus: there, rebuilding its idea of what messages are in that dir |
| 14:36.43 | xingu | dooglus: then see how expensive that is timewise. |
| 14:37.03 | dooglus | xingu: yes, but it only does that once, right? |
| 14:37.13 | xingu | dooglus: per message, I'd say |
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| 14:37.45 | dooglus | xingu: ok, you're right, but it's only *expensive* once... |
| 14:37.55 | xingu | dooglus: yay for linux fscache eh? |
| 14:38.05 | dooglus | xingu: look at the 2nd and 3rd times it does it - it's very quick, so that's not what's holding it up |
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| 14:38.50 | dooglus | xingu: what I found odd is that the biggest delay is the "0.914880 gettimeofday({1164465156, 448401}, {4294967236, 0}) = 0" - that's while it's waiting for a command from evolution |
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| 14:38.59 | xingu | dooglus: yeah, but does that remain the same, if your system is under memory pressure? |
| 14:39.06 | dooglus | xingu: so it could be that the bottleneck is in evolution? |
| 14:39.38 | xingu | dooglus: the expensiveness of the directory footwork and the rewrite of the uidlist will increase when the fscache shrinks |
| 14:39.53 | dooglus | xingu: the next syscall after that 1 second wait is "0.004719 read(0, "A00033 APPEND popular.drod (\\See"..., 470) = 43" - ie. it was waiting on read() for evolution to tell it "here's another message for you" |
| 14:39.59 | xingu | dooglus: so the next question is - does uploading hundreds of messages in one sitting put memory pressure on? |
| 14:40.06 | xingu | dooglus: sounds about right |
| 14:40.20 | xingu | dooglus: but the system is doing nowt there, and yours was running flat tack with io |
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| 14:40.26 | xingu | dooglus: does not compute. :) |
| 14:40.28 | dooglus | xingu: so I need to strace evolution, too. I tried that earlier, but the system hung up. |
| 14:40.49 | dooglus | xingu: dovecot is doing nowt, but I guess evo is doing lots of IO |
| 14:41.12 | xingu | dooglus: I think evolution is not the problem, I think that the memory use of dovecot blows out as a function of the number of messages uploaded maybe. |
| 14:41.34 | xingu | dooglus: for instance - does it recieve them all into a single temporary file, and *then* play them one by one into the maildir? |
| 14:41.36 | dooglus | that's not what I was seeing during the big upload I did |
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| 14:41.46 | jatt | Is it dangerous to run badblocks on a mounted partition? I want to check if the following error is due bad blocks: |
| 14:41.47 | jatt | Nov 25 16:56:24 localhost kernel: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error } |
| 14:41.49 | dooglus | no, it gets them one at a time |
| 14:42.04 | xingu | ok |
| 14:42.25 | xingu | well the problem I have is that your io stat showed the server end running hot, iowise |
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| 14:42.55 | x_link | enouf: I got the 21" Dell Trinitron monitor now =) |
| 14:43.01 | x_link | Just plugged it in. |
| 14:43.09 | xingu | so the only way you get there from here is if the io profile becomes geometrically worse as a function of the number of messages in pipeline |
| 14:43.31 | enouf | x_link: nice ... sweet ... |
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| 14:44.25 | asg | jatt: looks like it uses a non-destructive readonly option by default. Check the manpage to be sure though. |
| 14:44.28 | xingu | dooglus: the other oddity was that it was all writeout |
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| 14:44.49 | jatt | asg: ok thanks. |
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| 14:45.08 | xingu | dooglus: if it were getdents (fscach shrunk under pressure as the problem), that'd show as starvation and paging |
| 14:45.16 | asg | jatt: as with all things that touch disk or data, though, it's best to make sure the filesystem is unmounted and that backups have been made. |
| 14:45.30 | cydork | jindal, i already asked something ;) |
| 14:45.31 | xingu | dooglus: so that's probably out too; leaving the rewriting of both the uidlist and index files |
| 14:45.52 | jindal | cydork: hmm i replied.. anyways nope!! am not running compiz |
| 14:46.04 | Sup3rkiddo | 3D3D3D |
| 14:46.14 | Sup3rkiddo | oops..sorry |
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| 14:46.34 | xingu | dooglus: the fsync at the end of rewriting uidlist (just before rename) forces an io barrier right there |
| 14:46.35 | cydork | jindal, oh ok.. |
| 14:46.41 | xingu | dooglus: ditto the use of msync |
| 14:46.46 | x_link | enouf: Yes =) he wanted to sell me a laptop, 268 with 64MB RAM and 4GB hdd. |
| 14:46.51 | x_link | hehe |
| 14:47.37 | jatt | asg: unfortunately I did already start it without mounting the partition. Bad blocks is listing some values: 14676992, 14677000, 14677001 probably I will need to replace this disk. |
| 14:47.38 | dooglus | xingu: look what evo is doing for each message: |
| 14:47.40 | dooglus | http://dooglus.rincevent.net/random/evo.txt |
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| 14:49.05 | xingu | dooglus: hang on, is evo running on the same host as dovecot? |
| 14:49.11 | dooglus | xingu: uh huh |
| 14:49.21 | xingu | that would've been useful to know. :) |
| 14:49.22 | dooglus | xingu: I probably should have mentioned that, right? ;) |
| 14:49.39 | dooglus | xingu: I kind of assumed you know that, sorry. |
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| 14:49.51 | xingu | my fault, should've got a ps or something |
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| 14:50.01 | dooglus | xingu: evo writes the whole of "-rw------- 1 chris chris 5.1M 2006-11-25 15:43 /home/chris/.evolution/mail/imap/chris@localhost/folders/popular/subfolders/drod/summary" for each message |
| 14:50.11 | xingu | dooglus: anyway, can't waste much more time on this - yes, looks like evo is the perp here |
| 14:50.30 | xingu | dooglus: you've got the tools; synopsis is - server is buried in writeout |
| 14:50.32 | dooglus | well, they both are, really... |
| 14:50.51 | xingu | dooglus: use less stupid tools is best optimisation; failing that - increase speed and # of spindles |
| 14:51.09 | dooglus | evo is probably worse than dovecot, but they're both doing far too much IO from what we've seen |
| 14:51.16 | xingu | dooglus: for server+user agent config - put user data store on different spindle group to mailstore to avoid full stroke seeks |
| 14:51.17 | dooglus | thanks for your help. I'll be better equipped to help myself next time |
| 14:51.29 | dooglus | xingu: it's a laptop - it's only got one spindle. |
| 14:51.51 | xingu | dooglus: buy a linux nas device and host dovecot there |
| 14:51.53 | xingu | :) |
| 14:52.25 | xingu | dooglus: user agents and the corresponding servers cohosted usually create pathalogical workloads |
| 14:52.45 | xingu | dooglus: but it looks like evo might be pretty lethal on its own too |
| 14:52.55 | xingu | anyhoo |
| 14:53.08 | dooglus | the reason I'm doing this is to get away from my evolution habit, anyway. |
| 14:53.17 | dooglus | so I don't think I'll be using it much longer. |
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| 14:54.15 | dooglus | what would be useful is a 'top' for IO |
| 14:54.20 | dooglus | is there any such thing? |
| 14:54.40 | dooglus | it would should which process is doing the IO |
| 14:54.47 | xingu | bit of a nebulous construct; the iowner of an iop is the corresponding filesystem |
| 14:54.48 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: you still there? .. that was his old site (broken links) .. this is the current working site (AFAIK) http://thestarman.dan123.com/asm/mbr/MBR_in_detail.htm |
| 14:54.53 | xingu | sar is what you're asking about |
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| 14:55.03 | xingu | and some days are better than others when it comes to sar |
| 14:55.12 | dooglus | ok |
| 14:55.19 | xingu | it breaks and misleads, but have a go and learn. |
| 14:55.22 | dooglus | thanks for your time. the cheque's in the post :) |
| 14:55.39 | CharminTheMoose | enouf,it was pretty non broken link filled |
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| 14:56.35 | enouf | CharminTheMoose: hehe .. well for me it was .. anyways ...just wanted to clarify |
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| 15:02.12 | solemnwarning | Does debian use a patched 8139too module? |
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| 15:06.01 | tralala | solemnwarning, you can find it out on your own by downloading the debian kernel patch |
| 15:06.29 | solemnwarning | Wheres that? |
| 15:07.07 | tralala | solemnwarning, in every debian mirror |
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| 15:09.35 | CharminTheMoose | question:what can cause a distro to not mount root? |
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| 15:10.55 | wireddd | improper fstab |
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| 15:11.06 | wireddd | bad boot options, hard rive failure |
| 15:11.14 | wireddd | s/rive/drive |
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| 15:12.30 | CharminTheMoose | I'm trying to create a small linux distro for the hell of it,I have stage1 and stage2 of grub and my 384kb kernel on a floppy disk and i use this command:kernel (fd0)/boot/vmlinuz init=/bin/sh root=/dev/hda4 load_ramdisk=1 but it gives me a kernel panic that it can't mount /dev/hda4 as root. |
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| 15:13.14 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: well,.. does the inirtd contain a /dev/hda4 node ? |
| 15:14.05 | CharminTheMoose | no,but i don't see any need to,or should i just not have the load_ramdisk option there? |
| 15:14.31 | CharminTheMoose | /dev/hda4 just has bash,a link to it called sh and the libs for bash |
| 15:14.44 | CharminTheMoose | on ext2 |
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| 15:16.22 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: the kernel will panic if the system cannot be found (hda4... driver for IDE ?) or the parition is unreadable (ext2 build into the kernel ?) or the fs does not contain a vaild linux system (basic things like a shell) |
| 15:16.50 | Mondoshawan | hi all! Somebody of you has installed Debian "sid" and have the strange USB effect like me? Ever the System (or HAL) detects a USB device the PC makes some strange beep noises! |
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| 15:19.00 | carbon60 | Morning all. |
| 15:19.32 | carbon60 | Suggestions for what to boot from in order to copy an entire system from one hardware to another? (I'm setup for network booting, too.) |
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| 15:20.00 | lightstep | hello, i ran dist-upgrade recently, and now apt crashes when it starts loading the package list. how can i revert to an older version? |
| 15:20.12 | tralala | carbon60, grml |
| 15:20.24 | cjari | should it be possible to use both stable and testing repositories? so that you install only some packages from testing, or do I need to update all the libs and kernel to testing? |
| 15:20.27 | pumpkin0 | carbon60: never copy a running system, so boot something like knoppix or the 1. debian-install CD to do the copy. |
| 15:20.36 | pumpkin0 | cjari: NEVER mix repos. |
| 15:20.49 | carbon60 | Ok. |
| 15:20.51 | carbon60 | grml? |
| 15:20.54 | cjari | pumpkin0 ok, thanks |
| 15:21.06 | cydork | cjari, if you want the some newer packages try backports.org |
| 15:21.27 | cjari | cydork thanks, just what I need |
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| 15:22.20 | CharminTheMoose | pumpkin0,does the sh link to bash have to be there or could i just put in init=/bin/bash? |
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| 15:23.03 | pumpkin0 | CharminTheMoose: you can use any shell you want (busybox for very space limited systems is great). |
| 15:23.53 | CharminTheMoose | hmm,i'll try that... |
| 15:24.07 | CharminTheMoose | I'll also make sure i've compiled the correct things into my kernel.... |
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| 15:31.15 | brancada | i'm new to debian, so sorry if this is a simple question. is it possible to install a kernel from unstable if you're running testing? |
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| 15:33.07 | oOGneaOo | brancada: you do not want to mix-and-match from various branches, it will break your system, sometimes rendering it useless. |
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| 15:33.34 | oOGneaOo | brancada: what kernel do you want to install? |
| 15:33.54 | brancada | i happened to see a kernel w/ vserver & xen already built in |
| 15:34.18 | oOGneaOo | ok, that stuff is still not stable anyway |
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| 15:34.31 | oOGneaOo | if you're going to use it, then run the unstable branch |
| 15:34.40 | dooglus | xingu: I switched to using mutt to push messages into dovecot, and it's able to push them something like 10 times faster than evolution, so I guess we've found the culprit. |
| 15:35.03 | oOGneaOo | the necessary components won't be found in testing, and if you try to use unstable packages with testing, you will damage your installation |
| 15:35.41 | slept | i have a problem with my intel-hda audio , sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't , the behaviour seem to be completely random, if it doesn't I get hda_intel: azx_get_response timeout, switching to single_cmd mode... , is there an easy way to fix that - when i run alsaconf sound works fine |
| 15:35.45 | petemc | brancada: testing has a xen kernel, but its 2.6.17 and is liable to panic, use 2.6.18 from sid |
| 15:36.08 | oOGneaOo | petemc: are you sure that's a good idea? |
| 15:36.13 | petemc | yeah |
| 15:36.21 | petemc | if you dont want a kernel that panics |
| 15:36.29 | xingu | dooglus: groovy |
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| 15:36.37 | oOGneaOo | wouldn't that depend on the hardware? or is it a known issue? |
| 15:36.54 | petemc | its aknown issue, happens when you star the third domU |
| 15:37.01 | dooglus | oOGneaOo: for the most part it's a bad idea to mix and match, due to different libc versions, but the kernel is statically linked, so it's less likely to cause troubles isn't it? |
| 15:37.01 | petemc | start |
| 15:37.06 | brancada | or i could just build my own with both xen & vserver included? |
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| 15:37.14 | petemc | you could do that |
| 15:37.28 | petemc | 2.6.16 works |
| 15:38.05 | brancada | works = doesn't have the 3rd domU issue that 2.6.17 does? |
| 15:38.10 | Turms | i'm having problems installing etch via the businesscard iso, when it is up to the installation of the system base it says it cannot asses the distribution codename, is it an addressed issue or just a my problem? |
| 15:38.11 | petemc | yz |
| 15:38.14 | oOGneaOo | dooglus: true, but if it happens and something goes wrong, then only petemc will be able to support it :) |
| 15:38.56 | lightstep | what is the dpkg command to pick a version of a package? |
| 15:38.56 | dooglus | oOGneaOo: if something goes wrong, he boots into the previous kernel version... |
| 15:39.21 | dooglus | lightstep: dpkg installs whichever version you give it |
| 15:39.33 | dooglus | lightstep: dpkg -i <file.deb> |
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| 15:40.06 | lightstep | dooglus, my apt is broken. where can i find old deb files? (or how can i tell dpkg to find them for me)? |
| 15:40.16 | dooglus | lightstep: packages.debian.org |
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| 15:40.42 | dooglus | lightstep: dpkg doesn't do getting... that's what apt-get and aptitude are for |
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| 15:42.29 | lightstep | dooglus, are apt and dpkg compatible between debian and ubuntu? |
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| 15:43.22 | dooglus | lightstep: the commands are the same, pretty much, but the packages in the repositories are incompatible, due to differing library versions |
| 15:43.45 | dooglus | lightstep: go here: http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_packages ; search for the package you want, download it, and use 'dpkg -i file.deb' to install it |
| 15:44.16 | dooglus | lightstep: if on the other hand you're running ubuntu, the equivalent page is http://packages.ubuntu.com/ |
| 15:44.23 | Stardust | Hi, I have Debian Etch, proftpd and GProftpd frontend. When I change something in Gproftpd and restart proftpd, the changes do not apply. Any tips? |
| 15:45.37 | dooglus | Stardust: I've no idea, never having used either of them, but are you running gproftpd as root? maybe you need to. (this is just a guess, but nobody else seems to be saying anything) |
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| 15:46.43 | Stardust | dooglus: Yes, I run it as root |
| 15:47.32 | erore | I have a machine with 2 nic. It is connecter through nic1 (192.168.1.1) to the 192.168.1.0 and through nic2 (192.168.1.2) also to 192.168.1.0 The question is, can I communicate via nic1 with all machines in 192.168.1.0 except for 1 machine (e.g. 192.168.1.10) and communicate with 192.168.1.10 via nic2? |
| 15:47.47 | Stardust | dooglus: it doesnt rewrite /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf :( |
| 15:48.09 | dooglus | Stardust: I don't know then, sorry. |
| 15:48.25 | Stardust | dooglus: ok, thanx |
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| 15:48.26 | dooglus | Stardust: you could try running it from a terminal and see if it prints any error messages |
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| 15:49.32 | dooglus | erore: I believe you want to read "man route" to find out how to do that |
| 15:51.39 | Stardust | dooglus: Yeeeeaah, I have it! It writes to /etc/proftpd.conf instead of /etc/proftpd/proftpd.conf !! thx :) |
| 15:51.41 | erore | dooglus: I am just finding out if it is even possible with route command... |
| 15:52.15 | Stardust | erore: I think, it is possible |
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| 15:53.30 | dooglus | erore: something like "route add -host 192.168.1.10 eth2" perhaps? |
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| 15:54.08 | dooglus | Stardust: that sounds like a bug that needs reporting to http://bugs.debian.org/ to me. |
| 15:54.29 | erore | dooglus: yes thanks I have the idea on linux but I have to make it work on windows so I want to know if linux route can do it and if I should keep trying on windows... |
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| 15:56.31 | Stardust | dooglus: by email? |
| 15:57.03 | tralala | Stardust, aptitude install reportbug |
| 15:57.13 | gravity | Man, I hope this machine can be made to run tremulous |
| 15:57.32 | lightstep | wheh, fixing apt manually worked. thanks dooglus. |
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| 15:59.26 | valdyn | erore: you can do that IF your IP adresses can be masked out |
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| 16:00.12 | valdyn | erore: masking would be much easier if you used 192.168.1.128 for that box |
| 16:01.16 | Stardust | tralala: what is the difference between aptitude install <something> and apt-get install <something> ? |
| 16:01.29 | qwertz | Hi, is anybody of you running HP Proliant server with debian? Are there problems? Got a mail from HP that they will support debian in the near future but couldn't give a real date. |
| 16:01.50 | Tropican8 | ok, there's two PSUs on newegg, one's $0 and the other's $1, which one should I go with? |
| 16:01.57 | Tropican8 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817171015 |
| 16:02.02 | Tropican8 | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817159062 |
| 16:02.20 | pumpkin0 | Stardust: aptitude marks things that are installed on user-reuqest differently then things installed because something needed it. That way aptitude can remove unneded libs faster/better then apt-get |
| 16:02.48 | Sativouf | it eventually removes your window manager too =) |
| 16:03.10 | valdyn | Stardust: aptitude has a different dependency resolving algorithm ( that's the big difference ). As side effect of what pumpkin0 just said, no longer required packages can be removed upon installing something even if dependencies do not force that |
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| 16:03.16 | jelly-home | qwertz: we have a number of DL320, DL360 and DL380 and they work well. |
| 16:03.19 | lightstep | Sativouf, probably not all of them (which is the point) |
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| 16:03.59 | Stardust | omg i used apt-get install only... |
| 16:04.15 | valdyn | Stardust: nothing wrong with that |
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| 16:04.37 | Stardust | now im running aptitude install and it uninstall a lot of packages :-D |
| 16:04.43 | Sativouf | well lightstep, perhaps using aptitude and _just_ it worths it as people seems to encourage others to use it, but as an apt-get user, i had try the switch on some boxes, it always tried to remove important stuff i _did_ use |
| 16:05.29 | valdyn | alternatiing apt-get with aptitude is a bad idea.. |
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| 16:05.41 | qwertz | jelly-home, thanks for the info, are there tools for handling raid and monitoring of fans and other server parts? |
| 16:05.47 | cast | indeed. just migrate from apt-get to aptitude and don't go back :) |
| 16:06.11 | pumpkin0 | Stardust: you can get the same "auto-remove-libs" from tools like deborphan. It´s not so clean or fast, but it works most of the time. |
| 16:06.14 | Sativouf | on my next fresh install i will try :) |
| 16:06.19 | Stardust | it wrote something about uninstaling apache, i hope it was a joke :-) |
| 16:06.34 | Sativouf | Stardust: unfortunately, it's not :) |
| 16:06.35 | jelly-home | qwertz: there's cpqarrayd for raid. |
| 16:06.37 | nekostr | mm |
| 16:06.39 | nekostr | ah |
| 16:06.47 | lightstep | Sativouf, actually, if you use the interactive mode of aptitude, it will converge after a few upgrades |
| 16:06.50 | nekostr | anyway so how can i backup a directory on one server on another |
| 16:07.02 | Sativouf | lightstep: ok |
| 16:07.14 | nekostr | i was thinking rsynch should work but there is no manual for it on the servers i got... and i dont own em so who knows what the admins were thinking........ |
| 16:07.20 | valdyn | aptitude takes work off the user, i dont like that, many people do obviously |
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| 16:07.33 | nekostr | valdyn go go synaptic :3 |
| 16:07.50 | valdyn | that is even worse |
| 16:07.52 | nekostr | lol |
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| 16:08.01 | lightstep | synaptic is buggy |
| 16:08.09 | nekostr | i dont really know what your talking about in specific and should probably have kept my trap shit |
| 16:08.10 | nekostr | :3 |
| 16:08.27 | nekostr | tho ive had good experience with both.. but im not doing anything too special... |
| 16:08.27 | mcquaid | i'm in a small apt and the mouse clicks drive my gf nuts when she's trying to sleep. i'm trying to bind the left click to a key with xmodmap. is this possible? |
| 16:09.00 | valdyn | mcquaid: get a decent mouse |
| 16:09.05 | nekostr | ooo great idea mcquaid |
| 16:09.11 | Sativouf | or a def girl |
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| 16:09.29 | nekostr | isnt there stuff in the configuration editor in gnome? |
| 16:09.34 | nekostr | set global key shortcuts? |
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| 16:09.45 | valdyn | nekostr: no, gnome cannot do that |
| 16:09.58 | nekostr | valdyn mmm |
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| 16:10.07 | nekostr | im not booted into linux atm so i cant explain which one i meant... |
| 16:10.18 | nekostr | but there was one that used some wierd numbers for the keystroak |
| 16:10.26 | nekostr | it just does command then tho eh |
| 16:10.28 | nekostr | :/ |
| 16:10.30 | mcquaid | i know you can remap the pointer buttons for say a leftie, but i don't see a way to remap it to a key |
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| 16:11.41 | valdyn | mcquaid: man xorg.conf, there should be an option, as 3rd button can be emulated and mac users even need the 2nd to be emulated |
| 16:12.06 | mcquaid | ah true, i'll look into that thx |
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| 16:13.50 | CharminTheMoose | i'm having a problem with libs |
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| 16:14.26 | mcquaid | found it, here's how for the curious: xmodmap -e "keycode 108 = Pointer_Button3" |
| 16:15.05 | nekostr | ooooo |
| 16:15.07 | nekostr | nice mcquaid |
| 16:15.12 | nekostr | you should update the wiki |
| 16:15.13 | nekostr | lol |
| 16:15.21 | nekostr | im sure more than one other person could use that... |
| 16:15.31 | nekostr | specially if their mouse is broken |
| 16:15.31 | nekostr | :D |
| 16:15.42 | mcquaid | ya, those damn gf's |
| 16:15.51 | mcquaid | yes and broken mice too ;) |
| 16:15.55 | nekostr | there should be a package to do a keystroak and then use arrows to move pointer....... |
| 16:16.01 | nekostr | :D |
| 16:16.04 | nekostr | u should make it! |
| 16:17.08 | CharminTheMoose | are the normal(non-coloured) files in /lib and /lib/tls the actual files and the cyan ones the symlinks? |
| 16:17.35 | asg | CharminTheMoose: the colors are irrelevant, what does ls(1) say about them? |
| 16:18.09 | CharminTheMoose | what do you mean by that asg? |
| 16:18.38 | asg | CharminTheMoose: that ls -l <file> will tell you in its output whether something is a file, directory, symlink, socket, etc. |
| 16:18.51 | CharminTheMoose | ls |
| 16:18.55 | CharminTheMoose | sorry |
| 16:19.01 | CharminTheMoose | oh right asg |
| 16:19.29 | CharminTheMoose | ah |
| 16:19.32 | CharminTheMoose | how very informative |
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| 16:20.32 | asg | CharminTheMoose: if you still want to know which colors map to which file types, echo $LS_COLORS |
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| 16:22.06 | Cybersoft | Im in ur channel, logging ur conversations |
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| 16:22.29 | amphi | !ur |
| 16:22.29 | dpkg | Ur is the ancient Sumerian city that dominated Mesopotamia from 6000 BC to 600 BC. If you mean "you are" or "your", just say so. Also swedish for clock, and a swedish word meaning "from within". a german prefix for refering to something very old Urdu, a language based on the arabic script spoken like hindi. For debian support in urdu/hindi join #debian-ur. Urdu/punjai/hindi support ke liye #debian-ur mein tashreef le ayen. Shukrya. |
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| 16:23.36 | black_13 | what package provides make-kpkg |
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| 16:23.44 | asg | !kp |
| 16:23.44 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
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| 16:23.51 | black_13 | or what deb provides this |
| 16:23.59 | amphi | kernel-package |
| 16:24.25 | black_13 | the deb file? |
| 16:24.35 | asg | !tell black_13 about kp |
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| 16:26.40 | tonsofpcs | I unmounted and removed a USB hdd the other day, and now in reattaching it I can no longer mount it. Any ideas? |
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| 16:27.44 | tnks | There are web sites that tell you your ip address from an external perspective. Is there a quick command-line way to do the same? |
| 16:28.07 | tnks | (ifconfig just tells me what my address is on the local network). |
| 16:28.11 | nekostr | hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 16:28.18 | nekostr | im reading the manual and i dont exactly get it |
| 16:28.44 | nekostr | is there a way to use rsynch to backup a remote directory that is not avaliable via http // apache ?? i want it to get stuff via scp |
| 16:28.49 | asg | tnks: use lynx to hit the same website? |
| 16:28.58 | jelly-home | tnks: lynx -dump http://whatismyip.com ? ;-) |
| 16:29.00 | nekostr | or is there instead a way to use scp to only transfer files that are not present |
| 16:29.01 | nekostr | ? |
| 16:29.59 | tnks | asg: jelly-home: seems like a lot of overhead for a simple script, but I'll consider it. |
| 16:30.06 | jelly-home | nekostr: why not rsync it with, er, rsync |
| 16:30.38 | nekostr | jelly-home if i can do it i will |
| 16:30.39 | asg | tnks: it's not like you are going to be running it every second |
| 16:30.51 | nekostr | but i am trying to rsync a directory that is above http root |
| 16:31.20 | petemc | nekostr: rsync uses ssh by default |
| 16:31.29 | asg | tnks: lynx -dump http://whatismyip.com | grep Your | awk '{print $4}' (seems pretty lightweight even if it is using heavy awk) |
| 16:31.48 | nekostr | btw i dont have root on either machine jelly-home |
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| 16:32.28 | petemc | '/Your/{print $4}' would work too |
| 16:32.31 | jelly-home | nekostr: if you can do scp, you can probably do rsync as well. |
| 16:32.32 | asg | petemc: yeah |
| 16:32.41 | jelly-home | nekostr: if it's installed on both ends |
| 16:32.45 | asg | petemc: useless use of grep |
| 16:32.49 | petemc | :) |
| 16:32.52 | petemc | i do that same |
| 16:33.34 | asg | petemc: easier when building up command lines to parse output you're unsure of. First pass anyway; optimization later. |
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| 16:33.35 | nekostr | jelly-home it is indeed installed on both ends.... |
| 16:33.39 | jones- | hello |
| 16:33.43 | nekostr | what would be the format then? |
| 16:33.53 | jones- | I run debian testing, and "uname -r" tells me 2.16.17-2-686 |
| 16:34.07 | asg | and? |
| 16:34.07 | jones- | If i want to rebuild the very same kernel, where can i find those exact source? |
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| 16:34.24 | jones- | because if i just build 2.6.17, i'll have a new dir in /lib/modules and I don't want that |
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| 16:36.19 | jelly-home | nekostr: You can start with "rsync -av remote-machine:/where/ever dest-dir/" and add other options from here... this is all in the man page. |
| 16:36.23 | lg8 | hey |
| 16:36.32 | jones- | all this, because i need to build a module of the kernel, but /lib/modules/2.6.27-2-686/build is missing |
| 16:36.38 | Zap-W | anyone know something like mutt but that supports imap/pop3 ? |
| 16:36.42 | jones- | so I guess i have to build my source tree |
| 16:36.52 | jones- | Zap-W: mutt supports imap |
| 16:37.05 | jelly-home | Zap-W: mutt supports both |
| 16:37.22 | Zap-W | how |
| 16:37.43 | jelly-home | Zap-W: use eg. imap://server/folder as folder name |
| 16:37.55 | Zap-W | ok |
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| 16:41.11 | DARKGirl_ | hello everyone |
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| 16:41.19 | RealBorg | hi |
| 16:41.22 | asg | jones-: the simple way to get the necessary plumbing to build a modules is to install 'module-assistant' and then run 'm-a prepare' |
| 16:41.26 | DARKGirl_ | i have a few questions about grub so i can get debian to boot |
| 16:41.43 | DARKGirl_ | is there anyone that will spare a few to help me out? |
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| 16:41.56 | itchi | Is there an alternative for apt-setup for on Etch? |
| 16:41.57 | asg | DARKGirl_: just ask in channel, if someone can help, they will |
| 16:42.00 | RealBorg | has anyone suceeded booting debian testing of a lvm volume residing on a software raid 1? |
| 16:42.07 | RealBorg | (with grub) |
| 16:42.07 | asg | itchi: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 16:42.20 | DARKGirl_ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-486 root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 16:42.20 | LazyFrog | How can I set up my sshd to start at boot time, so I don't have to physically login as root for it to accept ssh connections... ? |
| 16:42.24 | DARKGirl_ | is that correct? |
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| 16:42.55 | itchi | asg: Thanks for the example. I have here one, but i'm wondering if there is an replacement for the apt-setup tool |
| 16:43.08 | Zap-W | how to change the folder name of mail in mutt |
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| 16:43.42 | jones- | asg: thanks that was great |
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| 16:46.46 | jelly-home | Zap-W: You want to change the current folder? press c |
| 16:46.51 | jovans | kernel 2.6.19-rc not in experimental? |
| 16:47.42 | DARKGirl_ | can i just say: |
| 16:47.48 | RealBorg | hmm, no answer is also an answer |
| 16:47.49 | jelly-home | Zap-W: use ? to see available keybindings |
| 16:47.53 | DARKGirl_ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 16:47.58 | DARKGirl_ | instead of kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.17-2-486 root=/dev/sda2 ro |
| 16:48.11 | DARKGirl_ | in the grub menu.lst? |
| 16:48.22 | LazyFrog | How can I set my sshd to start at boot time? |
| 16:49.17 | itchi | LazyFrog: If you install it in the right way, it should then start automatically |
| 16:49.32 | LazyFrog | I just did a dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 16:49.48 | LazyFrog | and installed it again... so hopefully it will wokr now... |
| 16:50.08 | jelly-home | LazyFrog: which release are you using? |
| 16:50.14 | LazyFrog | sarge |
| 16:50.15 | DARKGirl_ | thanks for the help |
| 16:50.31 | itchi | LazyFrog: Have you just intall it? Maybe you just need to start it /etc/init.d/ssh restart |
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| 16:51.12 | LazyFrog | it's working... I just ssh'd to the computer |
| 16:51.12 | LazyFrog | it has always worked |
| 16:51.12 | LazyFrog | I just want it to start at boot time |
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| 16:51.24 | LazyFrog | because I had to log in as root (physically at the computer) for me to be able to ssh to it |
| 16:51.24 | itchi | LazyFrog: Have you the file /etc/init.d/ssh ? |
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| 16:51.29 | jelly-home | LazyFrog: yeah, the dpkg-reconfigure should have been enough. |
| 16:51.55 | LazyFrog | yep ssh is in /etc/init.d/ |
| 16:52.11 | itchi | LazyFrog: Maybe look with rcconf too |
| 16:52.26 | jelly-home | LazyFrog: and do you have a link in /etc/rc2.d/S*ssh |
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| 16:52.42 | itchi | LazyFrog: But normally if you install an ssh server it should start automatically default |
| 16:53.02 | LazyFrog | ok... |
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| 16:53.20 | Supaplex | sometimes it starts even when you tell it not to :p |
| 16:53.26 | LazyFrog | so now I won't mess with anything because it's working, it just goes down every few weeks if there are sudden power outages... |
| 16:53.30 | itchi | LazyFrog: rcconf is an little text based interface, or you can look manually like jelly-home told |
| 16:53.38 | LazyFrog | ok |
| 16:53.49 | LazyFrog | so how would I check with rcconf? |
| 16:54.04 | hcy | hi, i have an old sun ultra 5 that i use as a server. it has gentoo on it, but something's broken with the gentoo and i'd like to switch to debian which I'm more familiar with anyway. Can I do so without erasing all the stuff on my hard drives? |
| 16:54.21 | itchi | LazyFrog: Try it out |
| 16:54.30 | DARKGirl_ | VFS: Cannot open root device 'sda2" or unknown-block(0,0) |
| 16:54.34 | black_13 | is it possible to use jigdo with a win32 system? |
| 16:54.48 | DARKGirl_ | please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 16:55.07 | LazyFrog | ok |
| 16:55.15 | LazyFrog | well I'm going now, thanx for the help guys |
| 16:55.17 | LazyFrog | bye |
| 16:55.20 | DARKGirl_ | Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0) |
| 16:55.28 | DARKGirl_ | anyone know about that? |
| 16:55.47 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Have you change somethings in /boot/grub/menu.lst ? |
| 16:55.54 | DARKGirl_ | yup |
| 16:55.59 | itchi | DARKGirl_: hhhmm |
| 16:56.07 | DARKGirl_ | didnt get much help so i was just typing stuff |
| 16:56.21 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Is the error not clear to you? |
| 16:56.31 | DARKGirl_ | lot of guessing based on the examples in the menu.lst |
| 16:56.38 | DARKGirl_ | no i dont understand the error |
| 16:56.49 | itchi | DARKGirl_: < DARKGirl_> please append a correct "root=" boot option |
| 16:57.17 | DARKGirl_ | but /dev/sda2 IS the correct boot device |
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| 16:57.47 | itchi | DARKGirl_: We need to see the config file, pastebin it |
| 16:58.27 | DARKGirl_ | ok ill have to reload knoppix and get onto pastebin there |
| 16:58.31 | DARKGirl_ | just a moment please |
| 16:58.34 | itchi | DARKGirl_: yup |
| 16:58.37 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: sda ? SATA ? |
| 16:58.41 | DARKGirl_ | yup |
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| 16:59.14 | DARKGirl_ | so you want me to pastebin my menu.lst? |
| 16:59.20 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Yeah |
| 16:59.22 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: yes. |
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| 17:00.27 | pumpkin0 | hcy: just format the drives during the install ? |
| 17:00.59 | hcy | no, pumpkin0, i want to do it without losing the data |
| 17:01.00 | pumpkin0 | hcy: and copy /home and other important stuff to another non-system parition ? |
| 17:01.22 | pumpkin0 | hcy: do you want to keep progs as well ? |
| 17:01.34 | hcy | pumpkin0: no, not the progs |
| 17:01.53 | pumpkin0 | hcy: do you have everyting on one partition ? |
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| 17:02.15 | hcy | actually i think the home dir is already a different partition |
| 17:02.45 | pumpkin0 | hcy: you can tell the installer not to touch that partition and reintegrate it later. |
| 17:02.49 | itchi | hcy: Just format that / and keep /home unchanged?? |
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| 17:02.51 | DARKGirl_ | http://paste.lisp.org/display/30673 |
| 17:02.59 | hcy | sounds good |
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| 17:04.00 | itchi | hcy: If you have separeted partitions, yeah that sound good ;-) |
| 17:04.19 | itchi | DARKGirl_: hhhm, dual boot, wait, maybe was it easier that i past my current config |
| 17:04.55 | black_13 | !jigdo |
| 17:04.55 | dpkg | [jigdo] *the* method for downloading CD/DVD images of Debian. at http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/ or http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Debian-Jigdo/index.html |
| 17:04.58 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: are you sure that kernel has all the modules for your SATA-controller built-in ? |
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| 17:05.10 | DARKGirl_ | who knows |
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| 17:05.21 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: did it work before ? |
| 17:05.24 | DARKGirl_ | its the latest debian distro |
| 17:05.34 | itchi | DARKGirl_: http://pastebin.ca/257665 |
| 17:05.36 | DARKGirl_ | well it installed to it, so i assume that it would |
| 17:05.53 | itchi | DARKGirl_: From where have you get that one you have there? |
| 17:05.55 | hcy | one question, though, it has some LVM's, i'll be able to get those working again in debian, right? |
| 17:06.43 | pumpkin0 | hcy: yes... but it depends on the LVMversion you used in gentoo. And the installer is not too happy about it. |
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| 17:07.09 | hcy | pumpkin0: so what can i do about that? |
| 17:07.10 | DARKGirl_ | where i dont remember |
| 17:07.14 | DARKGirl_ | someone gave me a link |
| 17:07.19 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: the installer uses a initrd with all the nice modules for SATA & co ... |
| 17:07.42 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Or is that an mac? |
| 17:07.46 | pumpkin0 | hcy: to be on the save side: move the data to a normal non-LVMed partition first. |
| 17:07.54 | DARKGirl_ | no its not a mac |
| 17:08.02 | DARKGirl_ | amd |
| 17:08.12 | itchi | title Mac OSX86 |
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| 17:08.58 | hcy | pumpkin0: ah, but you forgot what i wrote about my gentoo being broken at the moment |
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| 17:08.58 | DARKGirl_ | OSX86 |
| 17:09.06 | hcy | pumpkin0: and the fellows in #gentoo are not friendly like you guys ;) |
| 17:09.23 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Yeah, i not know about the diff :-/ |
| 17:09.48 | pumpkin0 | hcy: hmmm. get the offline install CD 1 and boot into that. It has everything you need to mount LVMs. If it works there ... ? |
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| 17:10.17 | hcy | pumpkin0: ok, thanks |
| 17:10.24 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Take you mine config as example? /vmlinuz Maybe look to that file if it been exist |
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| 17:12.34 | black_13 | i want to make a jigdo image that will give me the kernel sources and and pcmcia modules how would i do that? |
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| 17:13.52 | solars | hi, does anyone know a good lightweight time tracking tool for linux (console based would be great) |
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| 17:14.36 | DARKGirl_ | yah im going to use the exact same stuff except change filenames and device locations |
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| 17:17.26 | itchi | DARKGirl_: Have you been that /vmlinuz file? |
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| 17:18.24 | DARKGirl_ | ok restarting... |
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| 17:19.35 | DARKGirl_ | drivers/usb/input/hid-core.c: input irq status -32 received |
| 17:19.40 | DARKGirl_ | what does that mean?? |
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| 17:22.23 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: your USB-controller does funny things. |
| 17:22.41 | DARKGirl_ | how to fix??? |
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| 17:22.56 | MatBoy | Is in Sarge, the SMP-kernels, BIGMEM already enabled ? |
| 17:23.42 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: you bark up the wrong tree: the chips and BIOS need to work per spec. It´s (mostly) not linux fault. |
| 17:24.05 | DARKGirl_ | per spec? |
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| 17:24.24 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: look into /proc/config.gz and search for BIGMEM ... |
| 17:24.41 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, I need to install it first than :) |
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| 17:25.04 | MatBoy | I have a server where I installed Sarge on again, I was thinking of Etch because it's very stable |
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| 17:25.28 | pumpkin0 | DARKGirl_: people decided how stuff like usb has to work. There are specifications and rules the chip should stick to. But since nobody cares and as long as windows works ... |
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| 17:26.10 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, when you have 4GB en not BIGMEM enabled, is only 1GB seen by the OS ? |
| 17:26.23 | MatBoy | that is what I see now |
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| 17:26.53 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: 3 GB is the limit for non-BIGMEM under 2.6. Do you have 2.4 ? |
| 17:27.01 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, always 2.6 |
| 17:27.24 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: which prog tells you about the 1GB ? |
| 17:27.26 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, I see 1GB addressed now with 4GB |
| 17:27.26 | Halleck | can anyone reccomend a nice, lightweight, graphical text editor for sarge? |
| 17:27.28 | zinx | MatBoy: get a 686 kernel |
| 17:27.34 | MatBoy | cat /proc/meminfo |
| 17:27.46 | pumpkin0 | Halleck: "nano" |
| 17:27.56 | zinx | MatBoy: or k7 or whatever |
| 17:27.58 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: and the kernel-version is ? |
| 17:27.59 | MatBoy | zinx, just installed that |
| 17:28.04 | zinx | MatBoy: in any case, not a 386 one :) |
| 17:28.05 | gravity | Halleck: gedit |
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| 17:28.14 | zinx | MatBoy: you have to boot to it :x |
| 17:28.16 | Halleck | pumpkin0: heh. I like nano but I was looking for something to use with x |
| 17:28.21 | MatBoy | I'm booting now |
| 17:28.26 | MatBoy | but I asked before installing :) |
| 17:28.35 | pumpkin0 | Halleck: xterm + nano ? |
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| 17:28.44 | MatBoy | Damn slow a quad 500 Xeon |
| 17:28.49 | pumpkin0 | Halleck: OK, how light does it have to be ? |
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| 17:29.28 | MatBoy | ah it's enabled !! |
| 17:29.42 | MatBoy | I like those kernel-images :) |
| 17:29.44 | Halleck | pumpkin0: just not too bloated or dependent on gnome/kde, since I don't have either installed |
| 17:29.52 | MatBoy | I discovered them on Etch |
| 17:29.57 | MatBoy | since when do they exist ? |
| 17:30.02 | pumpkin0 | Halleck: "scite" comes to mind |
| 17:30.10 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: buzz ? |
| 17:30.22 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, buzz ? |
| 17:31.20 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: debian version 1.1 : http://www.debian.org/distrib/archive |
| 17:31.40 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, damn, I was always compiling them myself |
| 17:31.40 | pumpkin0 | MatBoy: (we are at 3.1 now and will have 4 in the next 4 months) |
| 17:31.43 | MatBoy | stupid me :P |
| 17:31.44 | Halleck | pumpkin0: thanks, I'll check it out |
| 17:32.02 | MatBoy | pumpkin0, yep... I have read it |
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| 17:32.55 | PumpkinPie | I cant run fsck while the drive is mounted read only without getting errors no matter what? |
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| 17:32.59 | PumpkinPie | fsck -vn |
| 17:33.06 | pumpkin0 | PumpkinPie: that may kill the fs. |
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| 17:33.13 | PumpkinPie | Ive done it on over 6 of my boxes and I get errors on all of them |
| 17:33.18 | pumpkin0 | PumpkinPie: unmount first. |
| 17:33.36 | PumpkinPie | what about just mount read only |
| 17:35.09 | pumpkin0 | PumpkinPie: read-only mounts get corrupted if the data is changed in any way. It´s a pretty sure way to get a unuseable mount. |
| 17:35.39 | PumpkinPie | okay so I ran fsck -nv a few times |
| 17:35.43 | PumpkinPie | am I screwed? |
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| 17:36.13 | PumpkinPie | while read/write... but I specified "-n" for no changes to file system |
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| 17:37.12 | DARKGirl_ | http://groups.google.com/group/linux.kernel/browse_thread/thread/70c582a0cdd11765/78f88b7ad98935c5%2378f88b7ad98935c5 |
| 17:37.20 | DARKGirl_ | can anyone help me with that? |
| 17:37.23 | pumpkin0 | PumpkinPie: any what would you do if fsck finds a error ? |
| 17:37.47 | PumpkinPie | no matter what I do |
| 17:37.56 | PumpkinPie | yeah |
| 17:38.10 | PumpkinPie | it doesn't hard the file system tho right? -nv |
| 17:38.15 | PumpkinPie | hard/hurt |
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| 17:38.54 | MatBoy | what is the best to distupgrade a Sarge machine to etch ? |
| 17:38.56 | PumpkinPie | I did specify "make no changes to file system" |
| 17:38.58 | pumpkin0 | PumpkinPie: no. But it is non-sense. You tell fsck to check the drive and do nothing about errors. So if you don´t read the error-msg and return codes ... |
| 17:39.21 | PumpkinPie | ok |
| 17:39.28 | PumpkinPie | Did you eat much of the pumpkin pie for thanks giving? |
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| 17:39.57 | PumpkinPie | I take it we both been waiting for this day |
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| 17:46.16 | Halleck | pumpkin0: thanks, this should work |
| 17:47.19 | pumpkin0 | Halleck: scite is not 100% error free, but it does not depend on KDE/Gnome and works with little RAM (compared to other editors). |
| 17:49.49 | Halleck | pumpkin0: I'm probably just going to use it for note-taking and such so that should be fine. thanks again. |
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| 17:50.57 | simonrvn | bah |
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| 17:56.49 | johpunk | i need help |
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| 17:57.10 | pumpkin0 | !ask |
| 17:57.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 17:57.14 | blondie | tried your doctor? |
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| 17:57.55 | johpunk | its gone 2 bars and the icons of my desktop xfce |
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| 17:59.18 | johpunk | that I have to do so that it shows again everything what it dissapear |
| 17:59.20 | johpunk | :s |
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| 18:00.06 | johpunk | somebody help! |
| 18:00.14 | |splat| | i have a ntfs partition that i am mounting w/ fstab ro, is there a way to change the permisions so my underpriveledged users can still read the drive? |
| 18:00.27 | valdyn | johpunk: what's your native language? |
| 18:00.28 | Supaplex | I don't really understand your question johpunk |
| 18:00.33 | johpunk | spanish xD |
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| 18:00.50 | valdyn | !vfatrw |
| 18:00.50 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 18:01.12 | |splat| | valdyn: NTFS, not FAT |
| 18:01.18 | |splat| | sam deal tho? |
| 18:01.19 | johpunk | all in my desktop xfce disappear icons, bar etc |
| 18:01.21 | |splat| | same? |
| 18:01.30 | valdyn | |splat|: same deal, except for the w, cant write to ntfs |
| 18:01.43 | |splat| | ok so use umask= |
| 18:01.45 | |splat| | thanks |
| 18:02.12 | johpunk | Supaplex all in my desktop xfce disappear icons, bar etc |
| 18:02.23 | valdyn | !esp |
| 18:02.24 | dpkg | methinks esp is I don't have extra-sensory perception (mind-reading powers). If you're asked a question or to run a command and provide output, it's because information is needed to help _you_ solve your problem. If you don't cooperate, or don't clearly state your problem, we can't help, and will move on to someone else. Understand? |
| 18:02.28 | valdyn | !sp |
| 18:02.28 | dpkg | i heard sp is troubled: you stats pimp! |
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| 18:02.36 | valdyn | !spanish |
| 18:02.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:02.41 | enouf | !ntfs |
| 18:02.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ntfs is Microsoft's attempt to create a Unix-like filesystem. linux-ntfs.sourceforge.net is a good source of information. you need umask=022,gid=xxx to access the partition as non-root. See also http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ntfs.html or ask me about ntfs-3g or captiventfs, or : see http://linux-ntfs.org/ |
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| 18:02.45 | johpunk | valdyn yeah |
| 18:02.52 | johpunk | valdyn you speak spanish? |
| 18:02.59 | valdyn | johpunk: no |
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| 18:03.08 | johpunk | valdyn ok |
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| 18:03.20 | odla | anyone know how i can tell epiphany to use my bittorrent client that i have installed on my computer? it keeps telling me i don't have a client installed |
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| 18:03.48 | johpunk | help =( |
| 18:04.02 | pumpkin0 | !es |
| 18:04.02 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:04.18 | johpunk | nahhh |
| 18:04.30 | johpunk | well bye!! |
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| 18:04.37 | |splat| | ack o yeah, my NTFS partition is mounted using gnomes disk manager, is there a way to modif the umask using that? |
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| 18:05.47 | SoFTLoVe | hi |
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| 18:06.40 | jelly-home | !ntfs-3g |
| 18:06.40 | dpkg | [ntfs-3g] available in Debian testing/unstable, a new, beta quality fuse-based driver for NTFS with decent write support, currently works on i386 and possibly amd64 |
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| 18:08.48 | vintendo | Linux rules :) |
| 18:09.00 | vintendo | rocks* |
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| 18:13.55 | CharminTheMoose | how do i get blkid necessary for compiling util-linux? |
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| 18:14.33 | freeone3000 | I have python2.5 installed, but for some reason, /usr/bin/python still points at python2.4, is there any way, short of removing python2.4, to have it point at python2.5? Is it save to remove the symlink (I assume it's a symlink)? |
| 18:14.51 | struct | freeone3000: sure just repoint the symlink |
| 18:14.59 | mrcheeks | freeone3000: I did it once and run into problems. |
| 18:15.01 | struct | freeone3000: you can always point it back at 2.4 |
| 18:15.07 | th1 | freeone3000, isnt it a symlink from /etc/alternatives? |
| 18:15.14 | mrcheeks | thl:no |
| 18:16.15 | struct | mrcheeks: if you had problems its probably more because of issues with 2.5 not that you repointed the symlink from 2.4 to 2.5 |
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| 18:18.11 | th1 | freeone if you just are unsure about how to create the symlink, then it's this: cd /usr/bin ; ln -sf python2.5 python |
| 18:19.00 | jeffreyb | If I use the etch netinst CD image, do I need any other information like ip addresses to repositories or the like? |
| 18:19.13 | th1 | no its all built in |
| 18:19.39 | jeffreyb | cool thanks thl |
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| 18:19.47 | th1 | np :) |
| 18:20.09 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know what -lcrypt is? |
| 18:20.26 | th1 | its the unix crypt library for encrypting passwords with the unix des algorithm |
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| 18:20.44 | CharminTheMoose | th1,do you know where i can get it? |
| 18:20.44 | th1 | applications that rely on it are likely broken in this day and age |
| 18:21.01 | elias_ | anybody fit with vmware? |
| 18:21.15 | elias_ | having networking problems with my WLAN! |
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| 18:21.31 | CharminTheMoose | util-linux requires it th1 |
| 18:21.46 | freeone3000 | th1: Not anymore. |
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| 18:22.03 | th1 | it should be part of the c library last I checked |
| 18:22.25 | th1 | \ |
| 18:22.29 | th1 | locate libcrypt |
| 18:22.34 | th1 | sorry wrong window |
| 18:22.39 | struct | hahahahaha |
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| 18:24.04 | th1 | on my etch system libcrypt is part of libc6-the dev package |
| 18:24.54 | th1 | CharminTheMoose, did you do apt-get build-dep util-linux? it will instaqll all dependencies for a package.. |
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| 18:32.00 | solemnwarning | How can I get /dev/dvb? |
| 18:32.13 | solemnwarning | I have udev installed but it didn't create /dev/dvb for some reason |
| 18:32.18 | dooglus | I have a reiserfs partition mounted with the "notail" option. is it possible to remount it without 'notail'? |
| 18:32.21 | dooglus | I tried "mount -o remount,rw,noatime /mnt/point", but it still has the 'notail' option |
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| 18:32.57 | amphi | -o nonotail ? -o tail ? |
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| 18:49.24 | CharminTheMoose | anyone know where i can get -lcrypt? |
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| 18:52.02 | Sativouf | CharminTheMoose: tried to install build-essentials ? |
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| 18:52.10 | solars | does anyone here know why this procmail rule does not move that email: http://sial.org/pbot/21398 |
| 18:52.13 | Sativouf | build-essential even |
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| 18:53.08 | Sativouf | actually it's in libc6-dev |
| 18:53.17 | Sativouf | (dpkg -S libcrypt.so) |
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| 18:53.53 | dooglus | amphi: I think the problem was that my /etc/fstab has a bind mount for that mount point defined, and that's what it was using when I was trying to remount. |
| 18:54.14 | dooglus | amphi: I ended up umounting the device then doing a "mount -a" to fix it |
| 18:54.43 | dooglus | amphi: "tail" isn't valid, and I don't think "nonotail" is either. just not mentioning "notail" is all you need to do if your fstab isn't silly... |
| 18:56.15 | amphi | dooglus: yeah, it seems there's no inverse to notail |
| 18:56.31 | x_link | enouf: Hi, hehe. My Lost+Found in the K Menu is back. |
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| 18:58.41 | p3rti | hi |
| 18:58.48 | onetinsoldier | howdy |
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| 18:59.36 | p3rti | i have a multihead system.. and i have 2 users.. now when i try to edit a file from another user i cant because file permission.. what i have to do to make all created files by default read to the 2 users.. |
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| 19:03.43 | ugly | I keep receiving an error in X that the "Maximum number of clients [has been] reached" when I attempt to start a program. How can I find out what the max number of clients is and/or what processes are causing this? 'ps ax' doesn't reveal an excessive amount of apps |
| 19:04.05 | CharminTheMoose | libcrypt is installed as well as build-essential,but still util-linuxs' ./configure is still saying that i don't have -lcrypt |
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| 19:04.40 | magenpie | hello all |
| 19:04.55 | x_link | enouf: mv /etc/xdg/menus/kde-applications-merged/kde-multimedia-music.menu /etc/xdg/menus/applications-merged |
| 19:04.58 | magenpie | i've had no success setting up wireless |
| 19:05.05 | x_link | Cause that command doesn't work this time, I wrote down all the commands you showed me. |
| 19:05.06 | magenpie | ath0 module is loaded |
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| 19:05.17 | mick_home | CharminTheMoose: sounds like a devel package is missing |
| 19:05.29 | magenpie | kwifimanager shows interface ath0 with wep off |
| 19:05.51 | magenpie | i installed madwifi using module-assistant |
| 19:06.14 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: so so you want to have files be able to be read by both users be the norm? is that what you want to know how to do? |
| 19:06.30 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, yes.. |
| 19:06.38 | CharminTheMoose | what other devel packages would be required by util-linux? |
| 19:06.50 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, i want that both users write read and execute the files created by both users.. |
| 19:07.10 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, because the both users are working on a project together.. with multiseat system |
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| 19:08.47 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: oh... write read and execute. well, i'm actually pretty rusty with linux. but i think what you want to do is make a 'group', then make them both belong to that group |
| 19:09.47 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, but when i make a file the file get own with my login and group with my login too |
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| 19:10.10 | carleto_ | buenas |
| 19:10.14 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, right now there are in a group both users but the files have the same problem |
| 19:10.14 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: try the command apropos group ...then perhaps look at the 'addgroup' command? |
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| 19:10.58 | ugly | looks like firefox is to blame - what a surprise |
| 19:11.08 | spoopin | CharmintheMoose: If you're trying to compile from source you need the -dev packages, like libxcrypt-dev |
| 19:11.38 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: i'm not sure i have the whole picture yet.. do both users belong to same group that you made for them? |
| 19:12.19 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, yes.. but by default if i make a file the owner and the group on file it's my login.. |
| 19:12.39 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, -rw-r--r-- 1 perti perti 0 Nov 25 14:12 test |
| 19:12.44 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: ok... i understand now |
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| 19:12.56 | onetinsoldier | sorry, i'm a little slow sometimes |
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| 19:13.20 | p3rti | dont worry.. thanks for pay atention :) |
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| 19:14.31 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: after you make a file then you need to use the 'chgrp' command on the file(or the 'chown' command with the group option) |
| 19:14.45 | p3rti | onetinsoldier, ok.. i'm gonna try |
| 19:15.04 | onetinsoldier | p3rti: ok. i'm pretty sure that's what you're looking for |
| 19:15.25 | aredhel | p3rti, I think you need to set the sticky bit on the dir that the users are going to be sharing. |
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| 19:15.59 | aredhel | p3rti, the makes files created in that dir be owend by the same group as the dir by default. |
| 19:16.34 | aredhel | p3rti, it's been awhile sence I have done it though, so I may be missing some detail. |
| 19:16.44 | p3rti | aredhel, wait. |
| 19:17.59 | aredhel | p3rti, yes? |
| 19:18.18 | CharminTheMoose | the file i'm specifically looking for is -lcrypt spoopin |
| 19:18.52 | p3rti | aredhel, yes.. it work's fine |
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| 19:18.56 | p3rti | aredhel, thanks!! |
| 19:19.15 | Totoro | hi :) |
| 19:19.20 | Totoro | salut :) |
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| 19:21.37 | MolePrince | Hello. I recently compiled a kernel for Debian 2.6.8 from the kernel-sources package. When I reboot into it, however, after several seconds at the login prompt whether I start typing or not, the system will freeze. Has anyone encountered something like this? |
| 19:21.52 | spoopin | CharminTheMoose: what's the context in which you're getting the error? Is ./configure complaining that it can't find something? |
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| 19:22.17 | CharminTheMoose | 'You need -lcrypt' is merely what it says |
| 19:22.43 | MolePrince | Btw, this is on a Debian Stable system without X or any wm, purely console setup. |
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| 19:23.09 | gentgeen__ | I am running Debian Stable, and need to change the default python from 2.3 to 2.4.... I did aptitude install python2.4 ... but I am still getting an error about wrong version of python |
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| 19:24.23 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: you probably just need to change a symlink in /usr/bin |
| 19:24.29 | Totoro | i loook everywhere on the web if i can install mysql 5 on my debian by APT-GET, but i find nothing. Could you help me ? :) |
| 19:24.32 | gentgeen__ | I also changed the symlink... same error |
| 19:24.40 | onetinsoldier | oh.. i see |
| 19:24.45 | gentgeen__ | ugh... sorry did not get that up fastenough :-( |
| 19:24.50 | onetinsoldier | np |
| 19:24.53 | Totoro | i look in apt-cache search and aptitude |
| 19:25.34 | p3rti | someone have any problem with sound with alsa.. like the volume it's too low when you are listening music but if you see tv the sound it's normal! |
| 19:26.28 | jduggan | can someone help me configure my X with dual monitors? im using a 19" widescreen running at 1440*900 and a 17" running at 1280*1024 (both are TFT), im using xinerama so that each window maximises to the head it is open in, but the widescreen monitor seems to be using the resolution of the 1280*1024, i have to scroll up the monitor to get the gnome panels, anyone know how to stop this? |
| 19:26.53 | jduggan | the desktop scrolls up and down, and i cant get it to stop with any configuration that i try |
| 19:28.04 | spoopin | CharminTheMoose: Do you have 'libc6-dev' installed? |
| 19:28.32 | CharminTheMoose | yes spoopin |
| 19:29.29 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: i don't know if I can help but what are you trying to run and what is the error message? |
| 19:29.34 | MolePrince | Hello. I recently compiled a kernel for Debian 2.6.8 from the kernel-sources package. When I reboot into it, however, after several seconds at the console login prompt [no X or wm or anything installed] whether I start typing or not, the system will freeze. Ideas? |
| 19:30.27 | gentgeen__ | trying to run wahcade.... I just did the symlink change again.... stupid me |
| 19:30.33 | gentgeen__ | get a different error this time |
| 19:30.38 | onetinsoldier | hmmm |
| 19:30.48 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 19:30.51 | gentgeen__ | no module named pygtk |
| 19:31.13 | gentgeen__ | I just saw the error I guess, and assumed it was the same as before |
| 19:31.13 | onetinsoldier | pygtk is probably a seperate package |
| 19:31.23 | gentgeen__ | ya, p.d.o searching now |
| 19:31.25 | onetinsoldier | separate* |
| 19:31.37 | onetinsoldier | doh.... nv me |
| 19:31.59 | spoopin | CharminTheMoose: hmmm. As far as I know, '-lcrypt' refers to compiler options to specify use of libcrypt, which you appear to have installed. The only thing I can think of is that there's another cryptographic development library you're missing. It might be worth while looking at the configure script to see which one in particular it's looking for. |
| 19:33.51 | aredhel | Totoro, Mysql 5 is in etch, and backports.org has it for sarge. |
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| 19:34.34 | onetinsoldier | just barely missed him eh? |
| 19:34.54 | aredhel | I hate it when that happens. |
| 19:35.00 | onetinsoldier | i hear ya |
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| 19:35.23 | kingsley | Is there a utility that checks CDs for corruption? |
| 19:35.31 | Flamingo_Manipul | md5sum, you mean? |
| 19:35.54 | MolePrince | Anyone know why the power features [eg lid closing turning off screen, soft power button, &c] work perfectly from BIOS in Debian Stable, but in Etch none of them do? |
| 19:36.41 | Flamingo_Manipul | kingsley: As in, a change in the actual data, or you never had the original data available and you want to judge how scratched the CD is without looking at it? |
| 19:37.21 | Flamingo_Manipul | Because if you can hash the original data and hash the disc version, or just do a recursive diff of the directories. |
| 19:37.35 | Flamingo_Manipul | That's all you need. |
| 19:37.59 | xmoogle | hiya i was wanting to upgrade debian on my zaurus from i believe sarge to unstable and i was wondering both if the instructions at http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html which talk about woody still apply, and if current unstable would run happily with a 2.4 kernel |
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| 19:40.08 | Michael__ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.37 | CharminTheMoose | hmm |
| 19:40.41 | CharminTheMoose | I have libxcrypt |
| 19:40.46 | CharminTheMoose | but not libcrypt |
| 19:40.58 | CharminTheMoose | which ./configure seems to need |
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| 19:41.41 | gentgeen__ | I can't seem to find the right package ... the error just say "No Module named pygtk" |
| 19:41.49 | carp3 | what will happen if i type /exec -o ls /usr/bin ? !! |
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| 19:42.33 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: sorry to hear that... you're running stable? |
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| 19:42.41 | gentgeen__ | yes |
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| 19:42.59 | gentgeen__ | install python-gtk-1.2 and python-gtk2 |
| 19:43.02 | gentgeen__ | that did not help |
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| 19:43.27 | onetinsoldier | what was it you're trying to run again? |
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| 19:44.06 | yuheng108 | hi, I am using Debina unstable, and for some weird reason, my laptop kept shutting down itself when I turn it on |
| 19:44.13 | yuheng108 | does anyone know how to fix it? |
| 19:44.40 | AciD | Try Debian in the first place |
| 19:44.42 | AciD | ;) |
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| 19:45.18 | irix | gnudownload, wb :) |
| 19:45.20 | MolePrince | Does anyone know why the BIOS power features on my laptop would work under Sarge but not under Etch please? |
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| 19:45.29 | carp3 | gnudowload : wb |
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| 19:45.50 | gnudownload | carp3, tnx |
| 19:45.58 | gnudownload | irix, tnx |
| 19:45.58 | sanmarcos | I have a headless server, how do admins handle doing fsck at boot when you dont have any kind of input to the machine? |
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| 19:46.35 | blondie | sanmarcos: you could use a serial console... |
| 19:47.22 | sanmarcos | blondie, I dont have such old hardware (as in serial cables) |
| 19:47.23 | |splat| | i'm having trouble getting lilo to show a boot menu, i have "install=text" in my lilo.conf, is there more to it than that> |
| 19:47.35 | sanmarcos | blondie, I hope the fsck goes fine |
| 19:47.40 | blondie | sanmarcos: old? lol |
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| 19:47.52 | sanmarcos | blondie, some machines dont even include serial ports anymore |
| 19:47.56 | blondie | lame |
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| 19:48.03 | sanmarcos | id say most of the new machines dont |
| 19:48.07 | blondie | I wouldn't |
| 19:48.09 | onetinsoldier | MolePrince: i don't know, but what version of the kernel do you have installed? |
| 19:48.27 | MolePrince | onetinsoldier: 2.6.8-3, the one which is current in the Stable branch. |
| 19:48.34 | furesta | Hi all, I'm doing a weird thing, installing Sarge on an Amiga... got some problems with my network card, has anyone gone through this before? |
| 19:48.42 | onetinsoldier | i meant for etch.. sorry |
| 19:48.53 | blondie | sanmarcos: what has replaced it then? (nothing :P) |
| 19:49.09 | sanmarcos | blondie, life moves on my dear blonde |
| 19:49.09 | MolePrince | onetinsoldier: I'm afraid I don't remmeber the exact version, but it was also the default one which was installed with Etch. |
| 19:49.25 | sanmarcos | blondie, USB id say, anyhow.. |
| 19:49.33 | blondie | for consoles? |
| 19:50.00 | blondie | server-class hardware has serial ports still, often with hardware support for them as consoles... |
| 19:50.01 | MolePrince | sanmarcos: You can get an USB to serial adapter plug. I used one at my last job for working with an RS232 interface from a laptop without a serial port. |
| 19:50.06 | gentgeen__ | onetinsoldier, sorry, I am trying to run wahcade http://www.anti-particle.com/wahcade.shtml |
| 19:50.46 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, I dont have the money!!, I live in LA, no car, are you fscking crazy I would take a bus to the other side of fscking town for a serial cable? |
| 19:51.02 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, 2 mile 30 minutes is the standard |
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| 19:51.38 | MolePrince | sanmarcos: For about 30-35$ I think you can order a 25 foot serial cable and an adapter. If I remember what we spent at least. |
| 19:51.52 | onetinsoldier | MolePrince: well, as a i said, i don't know. all i can recommend is making sure you have the latest kernel you can get in etch, which i believe is..-2.6.17-2 and then you probably have to have some software util installed too, perhappowermgmt-base? |
| 19:52.12 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, I work for a VERY VERY GREEDY company, no money for that |
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| 19:52.19 | onetinsoldier | perhaps powermgmt-base* |
| 19:52.32 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, but I appreciate your antiquated solution, it seems as if it were the only way |
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| 19:52.41 | yuheng108 | debhelper, my laptop kept on shutting itself down, how do I fix it? |
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| 19:53.13 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: ok.. i'm on the web page and having a look |
| 19:53.42 | onetinsoldier | for whatever it's worth, which is probably nothing |
| 19:53.52 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, is there a way to tell fsck to run with -y as default? as in it is a headless server |
| 19:54.15 | MolePrince | onetinsoldier: The thing is that under Sarge, everything works via the BIOS and hardware, I haven't had to set up any ACPI scripts or install powermgmt-base or such. However, under Etch it seems to default to using ACPI which subverts the hardware BIOS controls so that none of them work anymore. |
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| 19:54.54 | yuheng108 | my laptop kept on shutting itself down when I turn it on, does anyone know how to fix it? |
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| 19:55.43 | MolePrince | sanmarcos: Check out /etc/sysconfig/autofsck [or its debian analogue] |
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| 19:56.31 | onetinsoldier | MolePrince: yeah, sorry, i don't know. i'll bet there's some way to get it to use APM in etch though |
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| 19:57.19 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: is the pygtk that you installed version 2.6 or higher? |
| 19:57.41 | MolePrince | sanmarcos: Looks like something with /etc/init.d/checkfs.sh or checkroot.sh should give you some ideas. |
| 19:57.42 | onetinsoldier | the python-gtk2 |
| 19:58.10 | gentgeen__ | This is what I installed .... http://packages.debian.org/stable/python/python-gtk2 |
| 19:58.23 | onetinsoldier | ok.. hang on |
| 19:58.32 | gentgeen__ | but I am now looking at it... I think it goes with python 2.3 ... looking for a 2.4 version now |
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| 19:59.42 | madman215 | how do i configure xin debian? |
| 20:00.13 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, interesting, the $FSCKFIX variables specifies if it should do -y or not, how would I set that up for a reboot with -y ? |
| 20:00.23 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: ok, roger. i looked it up and i see the version of it is 2.6.1 though. hmmm |
| 20:00.26 | MolePrince | madman215: Try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:00.32 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, it seems as if you had to modify the script, it doesnt source anything |
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| 20:00.39 | gentgeen__ | They must have changed the naming scheme or something... there is no python2.4-gtk |
| 20:01.43 | madman215 | MolePrince xserver-org is not installed |
| 20:02.26 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: you might try installed the dev package too... python-gtk2-dev ... i don't know what to think for sure though |
| 20:03.14 | yuheng108 | my laptop kept on shutting itself down when I turn it on, does anyone know how to fix it? I am using Acer travelMate 4060 with Debian sid |
| 20:03.48 | MolePrince | madman215: Try xserver-xfree86 then |
| 20:03.50 | |splat| | can anyone help me figure out how to get lilo to display a boot menu so I can choose between booting my windows install and debian? I have install=text in my lilo.conf but all I see when I reboot is "lilo 22.6.4" at the bottom of the screen, then it boots in to debian no matter what buttons i press |
| 20:03.56 | gentgeen__ | wahcade works fine on my Etch box... might just do an upgrade on that box :-) |
| 20:04.30 | madman215 | so i should look up the specs for my video card and whatnot |
| 20:04.32 | MolePrince | sanmarcos: Well you could always define that variable in the script itself then. |
| 20:04.55 | gentgeen__ | can I just change the source.list file to do the upgrade from Sarge to Etch ... or is there some other things to look out for? (Like the Woody to Sarge was) |
| 20:04.56 | xmoogle | ok now i'm confused, how do i see if a system i'm using is stable, testing or unstable? |
| 20:05.00 | sanmarcos | MolePrince, yeah |
| 20:05.05 | onetinsoldier | gentgeen__: yeah, that app is probably new enough to need newer gnome and lib's that are in etch |
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| 20:05.39 | gentgeen__ | xmoogle, cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:05.48 | gentgeen__ | or cat /etc/apt/source.list |
| 20:05.54 | gentgeen__ | both give you insight |
| 20:05.58 | xmoogle | gentgeen__, 3.1 |
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| 20:06.16 | gentgeen__ | xmoogle, -- stable... Sarge |
| 20:06.24 | MolePrince | xmoogle: Can also check uname -a and see what kernel it reports. Stable is 2.6.8-3 currently, Etch should be 2.6.17-2 |
| 20:06.28 | nst | if i install debian etch "unstable" right now, when it comes "stable" i'll need to reinstall system or just update? |
| 20:06.45 | xmoogle | MolePrince, given i'm using an odd chrooted setup, i'm on a 2.4 kernel |
| 20:06.53 | onetinsoldier | nst: etch is ak.a. 'testing'.. not unstable |
| 20:07.08 | gentgeen__ | nst... make your source.list point to "etch" instead of stable/unstable/etc..... then you will not have to do anything |
| 20:07.08 | murosai | how can i stop dhclient from overwriting my resolv.conf? |
| 20:07.21 | murosai | i want to use custom name serves |
| 20:07.23 | murosai | servers |
| 20:07.28 | nst | gentgeen__ just keep updated? |
| 20:07.41 | xmoogle | sooo lets hope unstable will end up happy running on a 2.4 kernel! since i don't think i have a choice in the matter |
| 20:07.53 | gentgeen__ | right... once Etch goes stable, you might want to change the name back from etch back to stable... but that is all |
| 20:08.18 | MolePrince | Is there any way to revert back to stable if Etch doens't work out? |
| 20:08.25 | MolePrince | Without starting over, that is. |
| 20:08.26 | nst | gentgeen__ thks a lot |
| 20:08.31 | gentgeen__ | MolePrince, not really ..... |
| 20:08.31 | onetinsoldier | MolePrince: nope |
| 20:08.35 | MolePrince | heheh |
| 20:08.39 | gentgeen__ | fresh install :-) |
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| 20:08.49 | gentgeen__ | or good backups |
| 20:09.23 | slept | any native speaking finish people here ? how do i say happy birthday in finish ... |
| 20:09.55 | onetinsoldier | wuoldn't that be spelled finnish? |
| 20:10.08 | slept | maybe |
| 20:10.17 | onetinsoldier | ya, i'm not certain either |
| 20:10.21 | slept | or even finnisch |
| 20:10.25 | onetinsoldier | hehe |
| 20:10.43 | anapivirtua | See you later, or not. |
| 20:11.03 | MolePrince | slept: Hyva:a: syntma:pa:iva:a: |
| 20:11.22 | slept | what are the : |
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| 20:11.54 | MolePrince | Sorry, syntymapaivaa even. Those are umlauts over the a |
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| 20:12.07 | slept | MolePrince, does it make a difference if the person whose birthday it is is female - ä |
| 20:12.28 | murosai | how can i stop dhclient from overwriting my resolv.conf and use my custom name servers? |
| 20:13.22 | MolePrince | slept: Shouldn't do. Not unless you're trying to say "to you" as well. |
| 20:13.37 | daveian | anyone good with getting ndiswrapper to work with bcm43xx wlan cards? |
| 20:13.38 | daveian | :) |
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| 20:14.37 | solemnwarning | How can I downgrade perl Archive::Zip to version 1.10? |
| 20:14.48 | slept | MolePrince, well she is a good friend of mine I don't know if i would add to you ... or just lotta |
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| 20:15.00 | madman215 | netcardconfig isnt a command anymore? |
| 20:15.28 | h3sp4wn | daveian: On etch/sid all you would need to do is blacklist bcm43xx (/msg dpkg blacklist) shouldn't be an issue on sarge |
| 20:15.30 | MolePrince | slept: Well, everything I just told you was from a few moments on google ;) |
| 20:15.42 | yuheng108 | how can I use irc is the ports are being blocked |
| 20:15.59 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 20:16.07 | beardy | !seen abrotman |
| 20:16.07 | dpkg | abrotman <n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 2d 23h 49m 37s ago, saying: '!printer'. |
| 20:16.21 | beardy | madman215: Never heard of it. |
| 20:16.26 | beardy | !interfaces |
| 20:16.26 | dpkg | Your network configuration is in the file /etc/network/interfaces ; "man 5 interfaces" for docs, (zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz for an example). start and stop your networking with ifup -a and ifdown -a respectively. See also <dhcp client> read "man resolv.conf" for DNS also ask me about <static route> |
| 20:16.29 | MolePrince | yuheng108: There are utilities to route through 80 or other ports I believe. You might look into bitlbee for one. |
| 20:16.31 | beardy | madman215: ^^^ |
| 20:17.11 | beardy | yuheng108: Are all ports blocked? |
| 20:17.13 | madman215 | event not found |
| 20:17.29 | yuheng108 | MolePrince, thanks, I will check it out |
| 20:17.30 | slept | MolePrince, you are not finish ? thanks anyway - I dont use google for that anymore since it told me wired / wrong things - i felt like with the monty python hungarian dictionary thing ... |
| 20:17.39 | yuheng108 | beardy, only 80 and 21 is open |
| 20:17.59 | beardy | yuheng108: Ok. Is there a http proxy? |
| 20:18.17 | yuheng108 | beardy, not sure, but I don't think so |
| 20:18.18 | beardy | yuheng108: Some clients can connect trough http proxies. |
| 20:18.19 | MolePrince | slept: It is 'Finnish' btw ;) I pulled from Omniglot which I trust greatly for language. |
| 20:18.31 | slept | ok thanks |
| 20:18.50 | MolePrince | yuheng108: Also, depending on the irc server, they may have a cgi/java front-end for it on their website. |
| 20:19.00 | solemnwarning | How can I downgrade Archive::Zip to version 1.10 under stable? |
| 20:19.04 | beardy | But java clients stink. |
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| 20:19.48 | beardy | yuheng108: What network is this, your companiy network? |
| 20:20.09 | beardy | yuheng108: Can you perhaps ssh to another box and irc from that? |
| 20:20.15 | yuheng108 | beardy, I am talking about when I am in Binghamton university |
| 20:20.29 | yuheng108 | beardy, if you are in the same server |
| 20:21.03 | beardy | yuheng108: I see. Which irc client are you using? |
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| 20:21.28 | jair | jaarnold: are you here? |
| 20:21.30 | yuheng108 | beardy, I am using xchat |
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| 20:21.39 | Zap-W | can anyone recommend on a Mail client that supports IMAP and ssl for the console |
| 20:21.40 | Zap-W | mua |
| 20:21.47 | beardy | Zap-W: mutt |
| 20:22.10 | jair | jaarnold: I am here but will be going out to eat something my friend, send me a message see if we can work on some postfix stuff with debian ;) |
| 20:22.49 | beardy | yuheng108: See if it has a "connect through http proxy" or "socks proxy". If there is a http proxy.. |
| 20:23.32 | yuheng108 | beardy, I am not sure, cause it's like we are connect to the internet directly |
| 20:24.30 | yuheng108 | beardy, do you have IM or anything? cause I want to be able to contact you when I am going back to binghamton University tomorrow |
| 20:25.12 | beardy | yuheng108: Use a java client instead. |
| 20:25.57 | yuheng108 | beardy, like what? |
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| 20:31.13 | beardy | yuheng108: Like http://java.freenode.net/index.php |
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| 20:32.46 | madman215 | how do i unzip regural old .zip files ? |
| 20:33.11 | onetinsoldier | by installin unzip i think |
| 20:33.45 | onetinsoldier | yep.. apt-get install unzip |
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| 20:34.47 | madman215 | thanks |
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| 20:35.34 | onetinsoldier | sure... yw |
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| 20:36.44 | madman215 | hmm.. apt-get cant find package ndiswrapper |
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| 20:37.13 | MolePrince | madman215: apt-cache search ndis |
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| 20:38.32 | madman215 | ok, that comes up with alot of stuff, what do i do with that? |
| 20:39.09 | kingsley | Is there a utility that reports bad blocks on a CD containing an ISO image? |
| 20:39.10 | iNick | (i'm only checking debian right now, i'll ask the other channels as needed) |
| 20:39.49 | iNick | kingsley: so a burned CD contains an .iso file? md5 the iso and compare it to what ti's supposed to be |
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| 20:41.43 | kingsley | iNick: Do you happen to know if ISO images store the computed checksum? |
| 20:42.00 | daveian | h3sp4wn: what were saying about blacklisting the bcm43xx? |
| 20:42.02 | madman215 | i found it in aptitude, but i dont know how to tell it to download it |
| 20:42.11 | kingsley | ie: Do ISO images store what their check sums are supposed to be? |
| 20:42.11 | iNick | no, they don't. iso's are just data, and don't self-store anything |
| 20:42.22 | iNick | again, no |
| 20:42.38 | iNick | that's why there's a seprate file for MD5's etc |
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| 20:44.31 | Firefishe | Hello everyone. I would like to request how I use apt-get to install both Recommended and Suggested packages. |
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| 20:46.49 | madman215 | i hate aptitude, i "installed" ndiswrapper-source, but it still dosent work |
| 20:47.26 | kingsley | iNick: Thanks. |
| 20:47.27 | onetinsoldier | you sure it didn't work? that probably just downloaded some source code |
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| 20:48.50 | madman215 | where does it download it to? |
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| 20:52.59 | onetinsoldier | madman215: try dpkg -S <packagename> |
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| 20:53.09 | onetinsoldier | errr.... |
| 20:53.13 | mischko | I need a file: libstdc++.so.6 on my debian box. Which package do I download to get this? |
| 20:53.41 | onetinsoldier | madman215:sorry.... dpkg -L <packagename> |
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| 20:53.47 | makke | libstdc++6 |
| 20:54.32 | mischko | thanks |
| 20:55.05 | madman215 | onetinsoldier then do i just move the modules file somewhere? |
| 20:55.59 | onetinsoldier | madman215: i don't know if I can help much with that, i'm pretty rusty. it's a kernel module? |
| 20:56.46 | madman215 | that would be my guess, when i untared it it just gave me a folder caled modules, and inside it is ndiswrapper |
| 20:57.20 | onetinsoldier | i'm currently reading ... apt-cache show ndiswrapper-source |
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| 20:58.29 | onetinsoldier | madman215: it says you need kernel source in order to compile the module.. have you ever compiled your own kernel? |
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| 20:59.09 | madman215 | no |
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| 20:59.56 | onetinsoldier | madman215: it's not that hard, and i do it... i'm currently using kernel-2.18.3. I complied it the 'debian way' using the make-kpkg package |
| 21:00.18 | madman215 | i think i may have figured it out, give me a second |
| 21:00.23 | Rprp | How can i check the TimEZone in debian on a server? |
| 21:00.36 | Supaplex | !tz |
| 21:00.37 | dpkg | [tz] defined in /etc/default/rcS to fix that annoying warning message output by hwclockfirst.sh if your /usr is not on the root filesystem |
| 21:00.46 | Supaplex | !timezone |
| 21:00.46 | dpkg | rumour has it, timezone is "ln -s /usr/share/zoneinfo/<timezone> /etc/localtime", or tzconfig |
| 21:01.08 | onetinsoldier | i can try and help you out with compliling your own kernel if you want... it's not too awful hard, yet there is a fair amount to doing it |
| 21:02.49 | onetinsoldier | god.. i keep typo'ing 'compiling/compiled'.. hehe |
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| 21:04.07 | xjih78 | hi everyone |
| 21:04.20 | onetinsoldier | hello hello |
| 21:04.34 | xjih78 | how can i get a cam to work if it's usb and i plug it in without reboot. |
| 21:06.28 | madman215 | ok the site it told me to look at to install it says to just make install it, but when i make it it says cant find kernel sources in /lib/modules/2.4.27-3-386/build and then it tells me how to set the path |
| 21:07.08 | Firefishe | If I, in aptitude, un-X the "Remove unused packages automatically" option (Under Options-Dependency Handling), is this known to cause trouble? |
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| 21:07.21 | Rprp | Hmmm.. If i do NOW() in a script it says its 2006-11-25 16:05:38 But the server time is correct and the timezone 2 (The time is 22:07) here, So whats wrong? :( |
| 21:07.29 | onetinsoldier | madman215: you're running sarge? |
| 21:07.39 | styvy | there's camorama, digikam and gtkam to find out if it works, iprefer digikam |
| 21:07.48 | MolePrince | Rprp: Is one in UTC and the other local? |
| 21:07.59 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: no. i have that option checked and have never had any problem |
| 21:08.01 | Rprp | Your default time zone is set to 'Europe/Amsterdam'. |
| 21:08.01 | Rprp | Local time is now: Sat Nov 25 22:05:14 CET 2006. |
| 21:08.01 | Rprp | Universal Time is now: Sat Nov 25 21:05:14 UTC 2006. |
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| 21:10.15 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Thanks. I didn't think it would. I guess it just leaves unused .deb files in the cache. That seems a bit safer to me, at any rate. Thanks :) |
| 21:10.34 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: sure.. np :) |
| 21:11.12 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: Oh, do you know where in aptitude I select the option to select Suggested packages? Or is that done when doing the actual download command? |
| 21:11.27 | Firefishe | Is that done via a prompt? |
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| 21:12.43 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: i'm not sure.. sorry. i think aptitude will show suggested packages and you can at least highligh them and then install them, but sorry, not sure |
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| 21:13.11 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: okay then. well, I guess I can just "try it" and see what happens ;) |
| 21:13.18 | JoZ^^ | anyone has probed to install beryl in debian? how goes? |
| 21:13.44 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: yeah... aptitude is pretty easy after you use it for a day or two |
| 21:15.00 | Rprp | MolePrince: Its a Mysql Function i think, but its not setting the correct time |
| 21:15.29 | MolePrince | Rprp: I'm afraid I'm not familiar with those. sorry. |
| 21:15.37 | Rprp | ok |
| 21:15.48 | JoZ^^ | anyone has probed to install aixgl beryl in debian? how goes? |
| 21:15.57 | Firefishe | onetinsoldier: I just wish synaptic were configurable for what I'm looking for. Unless....hey, does synaptic automatically select both Recommended and Suggested? |
| 21:16.23 | Firefishe | I need a howto |
| 21:16.48 | streuner | !nickometer JoZ^^ |
| 21:16.50 | dpkg | 'JoZ^^' is 44.000% lame, streuner |
| 21:17.31 | onetinsoldier | Firefishe: hehe. i'm sure there's a way to do what you want, but i'm not sure how... try the command apropos apt |
| 21:17.49 | onetinsoldier | then you could try and read man pages.. but they can be kinda tough |
| 21:18.19 | daveian | how can i check to see that i have a 64-bit ndiswrapper installed? |
| 21:18.25 | Firefishe | man pages don't daunt me, it's just finagling through all the -options ;) |
| 21:18.28 | daveian | and not a 32-bit |
| 21:18.34 | JoZ^^ | [dpkg] lame for what? isn´t it stable |
| 21:18.36 | JoZ^^ | ? |
| 21:18.39 | daveian | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:18.39 | Firefishe | I appreciate it :) |
| 21:18.50 | daveian | yet i got the .inf file from my windows 64-bit disc |
| 21:19.06 | daveian | dmesg says check system log for messages from 'loadndisdriver'...........where do i find the syslog? |
| 21:19.07 | Firefishe | !nickometer Firefishe |
| 21:19.08 | dpkg | 'Firefishe' is 0.000% lame, firefishe |
| 21:19.17 | Firefishe | :) |
| 21:19.29 | daveian | lol |
| 21:19.36 | daveian | firefishe |
| 21:19.44 | daveian | that was funny |
| 21:19.56 | Firefishe | no lame on me ;) |
| 21:20.04 | daveian | hehe |
| 21:20.37 | Firefishe | Who am I to argue with the knowledge of the almight dpkg? ;) |
| 21:20.42 | Firefishe | almighty |
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| 21:32.23 | struct | anyone know Martin Schulze irc nick? |
| 21:32.38 | iNick | I don't know if the Linux-based systems can run binaries for other operating systems. Example: FreeBSD offeres the compatability mode that lets Linux binaries run on FreeBSD. is the opposite true? Can you run other binaries on Linux systems? |
| 21:33.38 | MolePrince | daveian: /var/log/syslog |
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| 21:35.06 | MolePrince | Is there any way to blacklist certain packages from apt? I run a system with no X or KDE or Gnome, and packages for those add a /lot/ of cruft to updates and searches. |
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| 21:35.44 | hollo | hi.. i have some problem getting output from GETENT |
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| 21:36.03 | hollo | i wount output anything if i give the parametres hosts EXTERNAL_IP |
| 21:36.12 | hollo | and i have set the ip in my hosts file |
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| 21:39.17 | shadowarts | hi, im trying to reinstall a system remotely, how can gaurentee (at lleast to some extent) when i reboot the system it will find the modules for my ethernet card? |
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| 21:42.23 | Vannoda | how do i replace all ; into , in a text using sed.. |
| 21:42.31 | Vannoda | :/ im noob bashingxD |
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| 21:44.42 | shadowarts | Vannoda, sed 's/;/,/g' <filename> |
| 21:44.50 | shadowarts | try reading up on sed a bit |
| 21:44.54 | shadowarts | i might be wrong there |
| 21:45.00 | MolePrince | Vannoda: sed 's/\;/\,/g' |
| 21:45.04 | shadowarts | yeah |
| 21:45.07 | Whylo | buenos dias |
| 21:45.12 | shadowarts | have to escape them dont you :) |
| 21:45.36 | MolePrince | Don't have to actually, looks like. I'm just used to perl |
| 21:45.57 | MolePrince | Vannoda: shadowarts's string is probably better for you :) |
| 21:46.26 | Whylo | Alguien habla español |
| 21:46.28 | Whylo | ????? |
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| 21:47.07 | MolePrince | Whylo: #debian-es |
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| 21:47.44 | shadowarts | does sarge have any selinux kernels? |
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| 21:48.21 | MolePrince | shadowarts: apt-cache search selinux |
| 21:48.45 | Whylo | OK but then east is a single channel of debian in English? |
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| 21:49.39 | MolePrince | Whylo: #debian is English speaking, #debian-es is Espan~ol. Is that what you were asking? |
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| 21:50.14 | Whylo | mole: of where sos? I am of Argentina |
| 21:50.55 | Whylo | ok I understand, I hope that you do not bother with me by single speaking in Spanish |
| 21:51.11 | Supaplex | !es |
| 21:51.11 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 21:52.46 | Whylo | I believe that entendi was very clear that this channel is a single channel that is written in English and I request excuses to them to all, |
| 21:54.54 | blondie | are you using google to translate? |
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| 21:55.40 | Whylo | if I am using google, it is not very good but I can understand a little |
| 21:56.30 | blondie | "if"? don't you know if you are? |
| 21:56.36 | itchi | When i try to modprobe ata_piix i get the following error http://pastebin.ca/257882 What's happend? |
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| 21:59.08 | jelly-home | itchi: is this a custom kernel? |
| 21:59.37 | itchi | jelly-home: No, 2.6.17-2-686 stock kernel |
| 22:01.51 | MolePrince | blondie: Most likely that was a 'si', which works out to 'yes' or 'if' depending on context ;) |
| 22:02.09 | blondie | oh |
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| 22:13.22 | asdzxc | hi |
| 22:13.26 | asdzxc | aptitude don't want to hold package |
| 22:13.28 | asdzxc | what's wrong ? |
| 22:13.41 | asdzxc | i will tell him to hold some installed package |
| 22:13.49 | asdzxc | and it will just ignore it |
| 22:14.15 | blondie | tell who? |
| 22:14.23 | asdzxc | to the aptitude :) |
| 22:14.28 | asdzxc | aptitude hold package |
| 22:14.38 | _zfr_ | i use etch, apt cant find nvidia-glx, can i use the stable source ? |
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| 22:15.03 | asdzxc | blondie that package isn't in any package list |
| 22:15.12 | luka | hi #debian, |
| 22:15.34 | luka | Any body knows Debian repository (unofficial or offficial) that have evolution 2.8? |
| 22:15.35 | asdzxc | blondie but i need to prevent from removing that packge |
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| 22:15.49 | asdzxc | blondie cos aptitud is trying to remove it now |
| 22:16.20 | asdzxc | blondie or is there any other way how to prevent removing of the package ? |
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| 22:18.07 | asdzxc | blondie is it possible ? |
| 22:19.57 | _zfr_ | hm |
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| 22:21.42 | tuv | few minutes ago, i started seeing strange behavior. whenever i run almost any command, i get the following: '-bash: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable'. few commands do work though like pwd and kill, but not ps :(. this is debianSlug on nslu2 |
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| 22:22.25 | Sempron | i want to install a mysql server on my server. wich package should i use? mysql-server seems to have dependencies wich doesn't want to install |
| 22:23.13 | pstickne | tuv, can you start any new process? |
| 22:23.28 | pstickne | pwd and kill and builtin to bash iirc |
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| 22:23.40 | tuv | pstickne, it seems not |
| 22:23.48 | tuv | pstickne, i cannot start new processes |
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| 22:24.05 | pstickne | that's kinda funny :) |
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| 22:25.17 | hollo | hey.. does anyone have some experiences with debian and clustering? i have read about cluster-tools, dcc and a little openmosix.. |
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| 22:25.31 | pstickne | tuv, just restart and see if/when it happens again? |
| 22:25.59 | pstickne | tuv, maybe something isn't getting released and all your process ids fill up or something else crazy. |
| 22:26.01 | keinek | hi guys |
| 22:26.38 | keinek | anybody have some documentation for make my own install disk 1 of debian with my own list of packages? |
| 22:27.23 | keinek | i do my own unofficial disk 2, and use the net install cd, but i want mix all in one cd. |
| 22:27.44 | keinek | now i use etch |
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| 22:30.03 | smacnay | if I want to use multi-lingual characters in mutt (ie French letters etc.) I will need mutt-utf8? |
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| 22:40.06 | Matalo | does somebody knows command for tcsh which does same thing as export in bash ? |
| 22:40.14 | magnet | setenv ? |
| 22:40.15 | magnet | :) |
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| 22:40.51 | grimboy | I'm trying to find out the vertical/horizontal refresh rate of a second monitor I'm trying to do a dual monitor thing with (Can't wait for xorg 7.3). I've tried X -configure but that failed to detect the monitor at all. How would I got about doing this? |
| 22:41.15 | dvs | grimboy: what monitor is it? |
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| 22:41.57 | keinek | :'( i wanna docs for make my own build of the disc 1 of debian |
| 22:41.59 | keinek | :P |
| 22:41.59 | Matalo | magnet: hmm cause setenv $TMPDIR=/mydir does not work :( |
| 22:42.40 | grimboy | dvs, Says dell on it, doesn't say anything else on the back really. It's about 15'' and a CRT. |
| 22:42.49 | luka | hi, how can I setup a package from Unstable repo. when I use Testing debian? |
| 22:42.57 | dvs | grimboy: no model number? |
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| 22:43.47 | cydork | !tell keinek -about custom cd |
| 22:44.06 | cydork | luka, huh? |
| 22:44.27 | keinek | thanks you very much cydork |
| 22:44.29 | keinek | :) |
| 22:44.34 | grimboy | Oh wait, in really small D1025HE 1000HS Series (I got distracted by the massive FCC and Dell logos) |
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| 22:44.51 | grimboy | dvs, Is there a database somewhere where I can look it up? |
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| 22:44.54 | Caco_Patane | Hallo |
| 22:44.59 | luka | cydork, i use debian testing, now i want to install evolution from experimental, is it possible? |
| 22:45.02 | zinx | grimboy: ya, it's called the internet |
| 22:45.16 | Caco_Patane | i'm new at debian, i've used to use metalog |
| 22:45.16 | dvs | grimboy: google? |
| 22:45.17 | grimboy | zinx, Ok, so there masses of them, fair enough |
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| 22:45.31 | Caco_Patane | and i want to know here the logfiles of the cron on debian are stored |
| 22:45.44 | cydork | luka, experimental? i mean you can do that.. but depends how good it will work :P |
| 22:45.48 | rvsjoen | luka: add the unstable sources to sources.list, add "APT::Default-Release "testing";" to apt.conf and use aptitude's -t argument to specify release |
| 22:45.57 | rvsjoen | dont know if there's a better way |
| 22:46.13 | Caco_Patane | on /var/log don't have a cron.log file... |
| 22:46.13 | rvsjoen | backports.org ? |
| 22:46.16 | dvs | grimboy: horiz 31.5 to 92, vert 50 to 150 |
| 22:46.18 | cydork | rvalles, backports.org are for stable only.. |
| 22:46.22 | rvsjoen | ok |
| 22:46.25 | grizzly | In which cd is kde in? |
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| 22:46.43 | grimboy | dvs, Wow, thanks I was getting loads of ebay pages. |
| 22:46.56 | dvs | no prob |
| 22:47.11 | cydork | !tell grizzly -about cd contents |
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| 22:47.57 | luka | rvsjoen, Tnx, i'll try it ... |
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| 22:48.20 | ton | i have linux one my laptop and i would like to reboot another pc in my lan , this pc is using xp, how can i do it |
| 22:48.35 | madman215 | i get a really werid error message when i try to depmod ndiswrapper starting with operation not permitted |
| 22:48.47 | grizzly | cydork: Thanks! |
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| 22:49.34 | madman215 | anyone? |
| 22:49.52 | rvsjoen | well.. are you root ? |
| 22:49.55 | streuner | !anyone |
| 22:49.56 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 22:50.51 | rvsjoen | ton: set up a vnc server on the machine you need to control ? |
| 22:51.03 | chino | can i tell if i a debian package was configured by me or i used apt-get to install it ? |
| 22:51.06 | onetinsoldier | streuner: he did state his error message problem |
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| 22:51.26 | onetinsoldier | madman215: hi again. are you root when try it? |
| 22:51.49 | madman215 | onetinsoldier, yes |
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| 22:51.58 | rvsjoen | and I think rdesktop is also an option, it works against NT/2000/2003, not sure about XP |
| 22:52.01 | onetinsoldier | madman215: ok, just checking |
| 22:52.05 | DARKGirl_ | I have some GOOD GOOD news! |
| 22:52.06 | madman215 | but im on the computer now so i can send you the whole error message if that will help |
| 22:52.15 | cydork | DARKGirl_, which is? |
| 22:52.25 | zinx | vatikan[16f]!n=rosaLind@88.242.39.208 is onjoin spamming in here, to any ops around (don't wanna !ops) |
| 22:52.27 | dvs | I'm rich? |
| 22:52.28 | DARKGirl_ | i got linux to work |
| 22:52.34 | rvsjoen | madman215: can you put it in a pastebin ? |
| 22:52.36 | dvs | !beer DARKGirl_ |
| 22:52.43 | DARKGirl_ | mmm |
| 22:52.44 | onetinsoldier | madman215: if it's just a line or two paste it in right here |
| 22:52.54 | madman215 | its rather long |
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| 22:52.59 | cydork | zinx, why not use !ops? |
| 22:53.02 | madman215 | rvsjoen, where is pastebin? |
| 22:53.08 | zinx | cydork: it's huge :D |
| 22:53.09 | xitro | pastebin.org |
| 22:53.14 | madman215 | ok |
| 22:53.24 | DARKGirl_ | so |
| 22:53.28 | chino | is ruby-1.8.4 available ? |
| 22:53.29 | DARKGirl_ | i need some assitance |
| 22:53.40 | DARKGirl_ | can someone help me get kde installed on debian? |
| 22:53.44 | onetinsoldier | madman215: then paste the url link to the pastebin post in here |
| 22:53.48 | xitro | apt-get install kde |
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| 22:53.52 | DARKGirl_ | i also want to install the 3d windows feature |
| 22:53.57 | dvs | !install kde |
| 22:53.57 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 22:54.08 | chino | !install ruby |
| 22:54.13 | rvsjoen | hmm. why is pastebin.org not a pastebin anymore ? |
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| 22:54.40 | DARKGirl_ | !install kde |
| 22:54.40 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 22:54.51 | DARKGirl_ | huh |
| 22:55.08 | DARKGirl_ | i type 'apt-get install kde'?? |
| 22:55.18 | rvsjoen | if you want tons of stuff :) |
| 22:55.26 | xitro | pastebin.com |
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| 22:55.47 | DARKGirl_ | lots of stuff like what? |
| 22:56.04 | pstickne | programs you'll never use. |
| 22:56.08 | DARKGirl_ | lol |
| 22:56.11 | xitro | :D |
| 22:56.14 | DARKGirl_ | so i want kde base? |
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| 22:56.26 | cafuego_ | 'kdebase' |
| 22:56.27 | lunitik | DARKGirl_: EVERYTHING KDE ships with each release... how familier are you with KDE? |
| 22:56.31 | cafuego_ | you cna always add stuff later |
| 22:56.34 | rvsjoen | i'd go for kde-core |
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| 22:56.42 | DARKGirl_ | oh i love the stuff that comes with KDE |
| 22:56.47 | DARKGirl_ | i am a Knoppix lover |
| 22:56.56 | DARKGirl_ | but they told me to go with straight Debian |
| 22:56.58 | xitro | just install knoppix :D |
| 22:56.58 | blondie | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:57.04 | DARKGirl_ | since Knoppix is based on debian |
| 22:57.06 | lunitik | rvsjoen: kde-core depends arts ... kdebase still gets you kdelibs, without arts |
| 22:57.15 | madman215 | pastebin.org is a tooth paste web site |
| 22:57.18 | DARKGirl_ | but its KDE that i liked |
| 22:57.24 | DARKGirl_ | ...i want the apps |
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| 22:57.27 | xitro | just use ion3 |
| 22:57.30 | DARKGirl_ | i can uninstall the ones i dont want |
| 22:57.36 | lunitik | DARKGirl_: not what I asked... I asked how familier you are with the package set... |
| 22:57.43 | rvsjoen | true |
| 22:57.50 | DARKGirl_ | oh i know most of the packages |
| 22:57.56 | onetinsoldier | xitro: hello? |
| 22:57.57 | lunitik | !aptitude backup |
| 22:58.00 | DARKGirl_ | theres some like teatimer that i dont understand |
| 22:58.03 | lunitik | ~listkeys aptitude |
| 22:58.05 | xitro | onetinsoldier, hello |
| 22:58.06 | ravenbird | Factoid search of 'aptitude' by key (2): aptitude rocks ;; aptitude. |
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| 22:58.48 | onetinsoldier | xitro: try out http://pastebin.org/ ...are you sure you didn't mean http://pastebin.ca/ ? |
| 22:59.00 | lunitik | Damnit... dondel put one in there that you can use to backup a system... that'd likely be the best starting point (as close to Knoppix as possible, as a Debian install) |
| 22:59.06 | xitro | yes i'm make a mistake my apologies |
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| 22:59.13 | onetinsoldier | hehe.. ok! np |
| 22:59.19 | andreiutz | i want to recompile my kernel . i am running debian testing 2.6.17 . in /usr/src there is nothing . what should i do ? i am a noob |
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| 22:59.35 | streuner | andreiutz: just use official kernels |
| 22:59.42 | xitro | you're noob and your compiling a kernel? |
| 22:59.44 | lunitik | andreiutz: why do you want to recompile your kernel? |
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| 23:00.20 | onetinsoldier | andreiutz: i can help you do it.. it'll take a while since you aew new to it though.. you got a while? |
| 23:00.26 | onetinsoldier | new* |
| 23:00.35 | onetinsoldier | are new* |
| 23:00.35 | streuner | You shouldn't compile kernels unless you have a very good reason for... |
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| 23:00.49 | xitro | to let run your computer faster? |
| 23:00.56 | madman215 | here is the pastebin http://pastebin.ca/257919 |
| 23:01.05 | onetinsoldier | it's always a good time to learn to compile your own kernel.. even if it's just because you want to know how to do it |
| 23:01.08 | lunitik | xitro: not a valid reason, you'd likely see no performance gains |
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| 23:01.31 | DARKGirl_ | that didnt work |
| 23:01.37 | xitro | ok, thats true |
| 23:01.41 | rvsjoen | madman215: checked dmesg ? |
| 23:01.42 | DARKGirl_ | is there some sort of installer that i can download from the internet? |
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| 23:01.46 | andreiutz | onetinsoldier, yes please . tell me when youre ready |
| 23:01.51 | onetinsoldier | i say... there is no reason to 'not' compile your own kernel ;) |
| 23:02.00 | streuner | !d-i DARKGirl_ |
| 23:02.00 | dpkg | DARKGirl_, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:02.04 | andreiutz | lunitik, i want to recompile my kernel to use vesaframebuffer |
| 23:02.06 | madman215 | rvsjoen, what am i checking for? |
| 23:02.08 | xitro | its a funny project |
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| 23:02.16 | lunitik | streuner: you means an installer for KDE afaik |
| 23:02.19 | onetinsoldier | andreiutz: /msg me |
| 23:02.31 | onetinsoldier | i do hope you know how to do that |
| 23:02.50 | luka | what is the unmet dependency? i get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: evolution: Depends: gtkhtml3.8 (>= 3.11.90) but it is not installable |
| 23:02.50 | luka | E: Broken packages |
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| 23:02.57 | rvsjoen | any errors from when you tried to modprobe the module, if you try again they will be at the bottom of dmesg |
| 23:02.59 | lunitik | andreiutz: you can just use module-assistant... lots less headache |
| 23:03.04 | xitro | try apt-get update |
| 23:03.18 | streuner | luka: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:03.21 | rvsjoen | andreiutz: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html |
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| 23:03.55 | luka | streuner, E: Broken packages |
| 23:04.06 | streuner | heh |
| 23:04.18 | luka | streuner, ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 23:04.19 | xitro | see man pages, you can find how to fix the broken packages |
| 23:04.24 | luka | sorry |
| 23:04.31 | DARKGirl_ | i cant get my network to work in debian |
| 23:04.32 | streuner | luka: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 23:04.35 | streuner | !paste |
| 23:04.35 | dpkg | [paste] Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 23:05.24 | cydork | streuner, he installed soemthing from experimental.. |
| 23:05.51 | streuner | how the hell you know that? |
| 23:06.16 | streuner | !info gtkhtml3.8 sid |
| 23:06.22 | dpkg | gtkhtml3.8: (HTML rendering/editing library - bonobo component binary), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3.12.1-2 (sid), Packaged size: 592 kB, Installed size: 3048 kB |
| 23:06.29 | cydork | streuner, magic :) |
| 23:07.07 | streuner | !info gtkhtml3.8 etch |
| 23:07.11 | dpkg | gtkhtml3.8: (HTML rendering/editing library - bonobo component binary), section gnome, is optional. Version: 3.12.1-2 (etch), Packaged size: 592 kB, Installed size: 3048 kB |
| 23:07.12 | cydork | streuner, <luka> cydork, i use debian testing, now i want to install evolution from experimental, is it possible? |
| 23:07.22 | streuner | oh |
| 23:07.27 | xitro | my father to me "i've got a problem with windows" i say "typ in cmd format C" |
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| 23:07.55 | cydork | i still dont think he should run anything from experimental.. or sid even :P |
| 23:08.05 | disasm | xitro: don't you need the : after the C, and I don't think that'll work with anything 2000 or newer |
| 23:08.17 | luka | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4595 |
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| 23:08.42 | disasm | xitro: of course I'm not encouraging this kind of behavior ;-) |
| 23:08.49 | xitro | or smash that ******* win**** computer |
| 23:09.06 | streuner | luka: you need a working etch/testing line at least for testing :-) |
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| 23:09.35 | streuner | luka: s/experimental/etch/ |
| 23:09.40 | DARKGirl_ | :-( |
| 23:09.40 | disasm | xitro: why waste such a good computer? Just send him a custom debian install disk preseeding everything, tell him to stick it in the computer, and come back in a couple hours ;-) |
| 23:09.55 | xitro | disasm, :D |
| 23:10.07 | disasm | DARKGirl_: what's wrong with your network? |
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| 23:10.27 | bws42 | has anyone been getting apache segfaults with the current php5/apache2.2 present in debian testing? |
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| 23:10.33 | DARKGirl_ | im sorry, without kde im stupid when it comes to linux |
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| 23:10.55 | xitro | if you use kde "I think" you're not using linux |
| 23:10.57 | disasm | DARKGirl_: ok, bring up a konsole, and type /sbin/ifconfig |
| 23:11.05 | DARKGirl_ | all i see is a foot |
| 23:11.08 | luka | streuner, ok, I change it, |
| 23:11.16 | DARKGirl_ | but i found network setting |
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| 23:11.29 | disasm | DARKGirl_: wireless or wired? |
| 23:11.32 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 23:11.40 | xitro | helllooo |
| 23:11.41 | DARKGirl_ | wired |
| 23:11.43 | Roey | DARKGirl_: that foot means your computer is infected with a virus; type apt-get remove gnome && apt-get install KDE to fix it ;) |
| 23:12.00 | xitro | a gnome hater yea :D |
| 23:12.20 | disasm | Roey: if your going to bash, do it right, s/KDE/fluxbox |
| 23:12.48 | Roey | xitro: oh, please, it's not like I hate GNOME, it's more like I just want it to go away and for the developers to feel embarrassed for having contributed to it. |
| 23:12.48 | xitro | Roey, one problem linux+virus ??? Naah |
| 23:12.49 | nn-main | i cant figure out what to give sox so "sox ./*.mp3 ./ what ever filename was put in at time.wav " |
| 23:12.51 | disasm | DARKGirl_: can you get a terminal open? It should say Gnome Terminal or something |
| 23:13.00 | xitro | :-) |
| 23:13.07 | DARKGirl_ | let me see if i can find it |
| 23:13.11 | Roey | disasm: :) |
| 23:13.43 | mick_home | fluxbox LOL - "what.. we should have a GUI to change the bg? -- nah read 4 man pages and you can somehow figure it out from the commandline" |
| 23:13.54 | DARKGirl_ | ok found root-terminal |
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| 23:14.25 | nn-main | i need to convert mases of mp3 files to wve files using sox but dont want them to be all one file ?? what options do i use |
| 23:14.29 | disasm | mick_home: the new background tag in styles, and the overlay make background setting easy ;-) |
| 23:14.38 | disasm | DARKGirl_: ok, type ifconfig |
| 23:14.39 | DARKGirl_ | i tried apt-get remove gnome && apt-get install KDE but it says that the files i need arent on my dirtro disc |
| 23:14.49 | disasm | DARKGirl_: dont do that |
| 23:14.56 | DARKGirl_ | oh i got the network to work |
| 23:15.25 | disasm | DARKGirl_: you did? what was it? |
| 23:15.33 | DARKGirl_ | they were turned off |
| 23:15.36 | DARKGirl_ | i turned them on |
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| 23:16.43 | DARKGirl_ | but now i want kde ;-) |
| 23:16.44 | disasm | DARKGirl_: ok, the apt-get remove/install thing was more of a joke, that removes gnome desktop, and installs kde |
| 23:16.48 | disasm | ah, ok |
| 23:17.00 | DARKGirl_ | i dont want this weird gnome desktop |
| 23:17.09 | DARKGirl_ | i cant find my way around |
| 23:17.15 | disasm | edit your /etc/apt/sources.list and add this: |
| 23:17.19 | DARKGirl_ | and the visual quality is a bit plain |
| 23:17.40 | DARKGirl_ | no eye candy. i want eye candy whenever i am in linux |
| 23:17.43 | tuv | i need libc6 2.3.6.ds1-7 for arm arch. the current version is 2.3.6.ds1-8. i found 2.3.6.ds1-7 in snapshot.d.n for almost all arch.s but arm! |
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| 23:17.56 | disasm | deb ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ etch main non-free contrib |
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| 23:18.23 | Trapdoor | how do i clean my system from apache? |
| 23:18.26 | disasm | DARKGirl_: if you really want eyecandy, there is a 3d desktop, I've never used it though ;-) |
| 23:18.29 | nn-main | how do i convert ./*.mp3 to ./*.wav with the input name of "*" being the output name of the .wav insted of gitting one huge *.wav ouput file?? |
| 23:18.32 | Trapdoor | or rather, how do i remove everything that has anything to with apache? |
| 23:18.44 | DARKGirl_ | disasm: thats what i need help instlaling |
| 23:18.48 | streuner | Trapdoor: apt-get remove *apache* |
| 23:18.50 | disasm | nn-main: what app are you using? |
| 23:18.55 | nn-main | sox |
| 23:19.10 | streuner | Trapdoor: apt-get remove apache, and /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 23:19.13 | Trapdoor | nn-main, for $i in ./*.mp3; do blah balh blah |
| 23:19.17 | disasm | DARKGirl_: did you add that line I put in aboce to your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 23:19.22 | Trapdoor | yes streuner |
| 23:19.28 | Trapdoor | apt-get remove apache removes apache |
| 23:19.33 | Trapdoor | but it doesnt remove apache2.2-common |
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| 23:19.43 | streuner | Trapdoor: if you want to 'purge' all config files too, just use the option --purge |
| 23:19.44 | Trapdoor | and the millions of leftover files it scattered all over my system |
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| 23:20.00 | streuner | !tell Trapdoor about deborphan |
| 23:20.34 | disasm | someone using ubuntu was telling me about autoremove for apt, is that a debian thing in unstable, or is that one of those quirky ubuntu things? |
| 23:20.37 | liable | start using aptitude |
| 23:21.01 | DARKGirl_ | anyone: how do i get my video card detected properly?? |
| 23:21.10 | Trapdoor | ok then explain this then |
| 23:21.17 | Trapdoor | deblaptop:~# apt-get remove apache2 |
| 23:21.23 | h3sp4wn | disasm: Afaik it is a hack for apt-get (but still doesn't work as well as aptitude) |
| 23:21.24 | Trapdoor | apache2 is removed, correct? |
| 23:21.38 | DARKGirl_ | anyone: debian is currently running in software acceleration |
| 23:21.43 | streuner | Trapdoor: dpkg -l apache2 |
| 23:21.53 | disasm | h3sp4wn: yeah, one of these days I should take the time to read the aptitude man page, haven't gotten around to it yet |
| 23:21.55 | Trapdoor | pn apache2 <none> (no description available) |
| 23:22.05 | disasm | DARKGirl_: what vid card? |
| 23:22.16 | Roey | xitro: listen, you're at the perfect age to get into software development |
| 23:22.23 | DARKGirl_ | 7800gt |
| 23:22.27 | xitro | wy? |
| 23:22.27 | DARKGirl_ | nVidia |
| 23:22.30 | streuner | Trapdoor: ok, apache2 is removed now |
| 23:22.36 | Trapdoor | yea streuner? |
| 23:22.42 | streuner | yeah |
| 23:22.53 | Trapdoor | deblaptop:~# apache2 -v |
| 23:22.54 | Trapdoor | Server version: Apache/2.2.3 |
| 23:22.54 | Trapdoor | Server built: Nov 10 2006 19:03:38 |
| 23:22.55 | Trapdoor | then explai nthat |
| 23:22.56 | *** kick/#debian [Trapdoor!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
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| 23:23.04 | Trapdoor | then explain that? :) |
| 23:23.16 | xitro | Roey, I know the basics |
| 23:23.19 | Roey | xitro: because you have a drive to learn at your age that people ten years older than you don't |
| 23:23.20 | streuner | well, you compiled that version? |
| 23:23.26 | Trapdoor | beats me |
| 23:23.29 | disasm | DARKGirl_: if you want 3d with nvidia, you need one of the binary drivers |
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| 23:23.33 | Roey | xitro: I was like.. 17 when I started with gnu/linux |
| 23:23.33 | streuner | Trapdoor: just don't flood us next time |
| 23:23.36 | Trapdoor | i used apt-get install apache to install apache2 |
| 23:23.41 | xitro | I 12 :D |
| 23:23.47 | cydork | Trapdoor, dpkg -S `which apache2` |
| 23:23.49 | Roey | xitro: if I can suggest a programming languag, check out Python (developed by a Dutchman ;) |
| 23:23.59 | DARKGirl_ | disasm: ok so lead me to the solution ;-) |
| 23:24.01 | Trapdoor | which apache2 not found |
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| 23:24.46 | xitro | :D yes I try but I feel more comfotable in C |
| 23:24.47 | nonix4 | How can I view the bios drive mappings? Ie. which drive is 0x80, 0x81, ...? |
| 23:24.48 | wam | hi, I'm looking for a special, very small hardware-firewall. It is red and has two cables for eth. Does anyone know the name? |
| 23:24.56 | disasm | DARKGirl_: I think it has something to do with the nvidia-kernel packages in apt, I use the nvidia drivers, but I've compiled my own kernel, so my ways a lot more difficult... |
| 23:24.58 | odla | !rwvfat |
| 23:24.58 | dpkg | To get write access to a vfat partition when mounting it with fstab, use the line "/dev/partition /mount/point vfat defaults,uid=USERID,gid=GROUPID,umask=002 0 0" in /etc/fstab. umask=002 will make the partition rwxrwxr-x, while umask=022 will make it rwxr-xr-x. Get your user/group ids with the command "id" |
| 23:25.08 | xitro | PASTEBIN!!!!! |
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| 23:25.18 | Roey | xitro: aye, C is great. I started like that too... with C (well, with batch files in DOS a long time before that but it doesn't count) |
| 23:25.22 | streuner | Trapdoor: did you compile apache2 or NOT? |
| 23:25.26 | Roey | xitro: it took me like... seven years before I found python ;) |
| 23:25.39 | nn-main | Trapdoor, ?? Im not fimiliar with the shell so how would i say $filename = ./*.mp3; for $filename++; do sox $filename.mp3 $filename.wav; type of thing |
| 23:25.52 | xitro | mmh i wil see for it |
| 23:25.55 | Trapdoor | NO streuner i didnt compile apache2 |
| 23:26.11 | Trapdoor | no idea nn-main |
| 23:26.13 | LinuxHelp | How can one avoid the message "[4308483.799000] CIFS VFS: close with pending writes" when umounting a cifs share? |
| 23:26.19 | xitro | but here in belgian its now midnight so I go to sleep see you again! |
| 23:26.22 | streuner | Trapdoor: well, dpkg said apache2 isn't installed, so i have no idea what's going on |
| 23:26.23 | Trapdoor | $i is the filename |
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| 23:26.41 | nn-main | ok |
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| 23:27.22 | disasm | DARKGirl_: you can try what it says here: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/installation.html - I haven't looked over that site though, so no guarantees it won't break anything |
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| 23:28.14 | streuner | Trapdoor: ls -l /usr/sbin/apach* |
| 23:28.38 | Trapdoor | apache2 and apache2ctl |
| 23:28.46 | streuner | hm |
| 23:28.55 | JordiGH | Can files in Debian docs have M$-style carriage returns? |
| 23:29.15 | bws42 | I'd hope not... |
| 23:29.32 | disasm | JordiGH: depends on what the doc is |
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| 23:29.40 | JordiGH | disasm: It's a bunch of html files. |
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| 23:29.57 | disasm | JordiGH: you should be fine |
| 23:30.02 | Firztspawn | If I compile a new kernel for DEbian (2.6.x) does it have to have initrmafs to boot? |
| 23:30.13 | Firztspawn | initramfs* |
| 23:30.19 | disasm | Trapdoor: you didn't compile your own apache and install it, did you? |
| 23:30.21 | JordiGH | disasm: I'm asking about official Debian policy. I can't find it in policy, but I admittedly didn't look very far. :P |
| 23:30.25 | Trapdoor | no i didnt :( |
| 23:30.36 | disasm | JordiGH: oh, ot sure |
| 23:30.42 | disasm | s/ot/not |
| 23:31.03 | JordiGH | Ah, well. I'll try to remove them anyways. It shouldn't be terribly complicated. |
| 23:31.07 | disasm | Trapdoor: what if you install it, then --purge remove it |
| 23:31.20 | bws42 | JordiGH: dos2unix |
| 23:31.28 | JordiGH | bws42: Sweet! |
| 23:31.32 | JordiGH | !info dos2unix |
| 23:31.37 | JordiGH | :-( |
| 23:31.40 | cydork | !dos2unix |
| 23:31.40 | disasm | JordiGH: :%s/ctrl-v ctrl-m// |
| 23:31.40 | dpkg | dos2unix is in the sysutils package; or you could use col, recode, fromdos (in the package tofrodos), flip, tr -d '\r', or even perl -pi -e 's/\r\n/\n/g' |
| 23:32.16 | bws42 | it's in tofrodos |
| 23:32.24 | JordiGH | disasm: That's a vi(le) command? |
| 23:32.29 | disasm | JordiGH: yup |
| 23:32.42 | JordiGH | disasm: We are of different faiths, you and I. |
| 23:32.45 | disasm | well, vi, don't know what (le) is |
| 23:32.51 | disasm | JordiGH: emacs? |
| 23:32.52 | bws42 | he's calling vi vile |
| 23:32.52 | JordiGH | VILE! That's what it is! |
| 23:33.01 | disasm | ah ;-) |
| 23:33.04 | JordiGH | ;-) |
| 23:33.12 | disasm | I try not to get into wars over it ;-) |
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| 23:33.20 | Firztspawn | does a 2.6 kernel require initramfs to boot in Debian? |
| 23:33.42 | h3sp4wn | Not necessarily (if its built yourself) the debian ones do |
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| 23:33.44 | disasm | Firztspawn: no |
| 23:34.07 | Firztspawn | weird then.. |
| 23:34.20 | disasm | whats the problem? |
| 23:34.57 | Firztspawn | I get append root= variable issue trying to boot, I wondered if it was initramfs related (as I have never used that before).... |
| 23:35.25 | Firztspawn | the root= variable is exactly the same as a Debian made kernel that does boot |
| 23:35.36 | disasm | Firztspawn: root= needs to be your / partition |
| 23:35.44 | JordiGH | Hm, will dos2unix distinguish between binary and text files? |
| 23:35.47 | Firztspawn | it is (thats what is so weird) |
| 23:35.53 | disasm | Firztspawn: ie, kernel /boot/mykernel root=/dev/hda1 |
| 23:35.54 | JordiGH | And can it work recursively over a complex directory structure? |
| 23:35.58 | bws42 | JordiGH: I don't believe so |
| 23:36.09 | JordiGH | :-/ |
| 23:36.21 | disasm | JordiGH: bash script should do the trick though |
| 23:36.21 | JordiGH | I think I like my previous solution better, heh. Compress and uncompress with zip. |
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| 23:36.46 | bws42 | you could do it with find though |
| 23:37.13 | bws42 | I assume you're only worried about html files? |
| 23:37.16 | *** part/#debian Sir_Diddymus (n=doe@p54B0DB40.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:37.32 | disasm | JordiGH: or if you want one line, try find {args} | xargs dos2unix |
| 23:37.40 | JordiGH | bws42: There are a few .css and .txt files too. |
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| 23:38.01 | bws42 | you could still do it with find how disasm just said |
| 23:38.13 | JordiGH | Right. |
| 23:38.27 | arnelol | Anyone know how to set up more than 3 mousebuttons in X? |
| 23:38.35 | gcbirzan | arnelol: Yes. |
| 23:38.37 | JordiGH | For one, I'm actually glad that the M$ world puts in those useless .txt extensions. :-) |
| 23:38.39 | JordiGH | For once. |
| 23:38.57 | bws42 | heh does make it easy |
| 23:39.01 | livingtm | any udev gurus out there? |
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| 23:41.45 | JordiGH | Whoopee... done. |
| 23:41.47 | h3sp4wn | Has anyone managed to get alt + (left or right) arrow working correctly in xterm - under irssi |
| 23:42.41 | h3sp4wn | (really annoying problem - I have been looking through the sources for the suse xterm as apparantly theres does not have this issue but cannot find out what exactly does it) |
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| 23:46.08 | pingouin | h3sp4wn: if you have an answer...tell me ;) |
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| 23:47.44 | pingouin | arnelol: maybe ? : http://www.linuxhardware.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/30/198205&mode=thread |
| 23:48.13 | JordiGH | How should I submit patches to the BTS? After I mess around with a file, and I have file and file-new, what sort of diff command should I use? |
| 23:48.37 | DARKGirl_ | ughhhh!! |
| 23:48.56 | JordiGH | ? |
| 23:48.58 | DARKGirl_ | Reading package lists... Error! |
| 23:49.15 | DARKGirl_ | et: Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:49.33 | jovans | is there a new gnutella-gtk deb sid deb? |
| 23:49.34 | DARKGirl_ | et: Ran out of allocation pools |
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| 23:50.08 | *** part/#debian pharse (i=dragan@x1-6-00-0c-f1-c0-50-bd.k174.webspeed.dk) |
| 23:50.11 | DARKGirl_ | The package lists or status file could not be parsed opened |
| 23:50.17 | JordiGH | !info gnutella-gtk |
| 23:50.35 | JordiGH | !info gtk-gnutella |
| 23:50.39 | dpkg | gtk-gnutella: (shares files in a peer to peer network), section net, is optional. Version: 0.96.1svn12109-1 (sid), Packaged size: 2261 kB, Installed size: 7668 kB |
| 23:50.57 | JordiGH | Ack... I responded to someone who left. |
| 23:51.24 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: That sounds strange. Is RAM tight on your system? |
| 23:51.57 | DARKGirl_ | problem with MergeList /var/lib/apt/lists/http.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary_-i386_Packages |
| 23:52.10 | DARKGirl_ | huh? no i have 2gig memory on this comp |
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| 23:53.28 | JordiGH | jfgit: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/05/msg00104.html |
| 23:53.36 | JordiGH | !jfgit |
| 23:54.01 | JordiGH | !jgfi |
| 23:54.06 | JordiGH | !jfgi |
| 23:54.06 | dpkg | jfgi is, like, just fucking google it |
| 23:54.53 | |splat| | is there no package for CGWD anymore? |
| 23:55.04 | |splat| | in etch |
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| 23:56.22 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: Did you see this? |
| 23:56.24 | JordiGH | # echo 'APT::Cache-Limit "25165824";' >> /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 23:56.55 | JordiGH | |splat|: wtf cgwd |
| 23:56.55 | fflush | does 2.6.17 from etch has NTFS write support ? |
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| 23:57.23 | |splat| | JordiGH: cgwd is a theme manager for XGL |
| 23:57.28 | JordiGH | fflush: Last I heard, no Linux has reliable NTFS write support. But I haven't been reading Slashdot as religiously as I should. |
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| 23:58.01 | JordiGH | fflush: Captive NTFS or whatever it's called is buggy and has led to data loss. |
| 23:58.07 | DARKGirl_ | what was that supposed to do? |
| 23:58.19 | fflush | captive is not an option |
| 23:58.24 | fflush | I am on ppc |
| 23:58.36 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: Er, it was suposed to increase the cache size for apt, I'm guessing. |
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| 23:58.47 | JordiGH | fflush: Uh. You have a PPC with NTFS on it? |
| 23:58.52 | DARKGirl_ | nope |
| 23:58.54 | DARKGirl_ | didnt work |
| 23:59.08 | fflush | I have 300GB usb hard drive with ntfs |
| 23:59.08 | JordiGH | DARKGirl_: Dunno... Bigger number? Double the size? |
| 23:59.16 | DARKGirl_ | E : Dynamic MMap ran out of room |
| 23:59.17 | |splat| | there is write support, but not full support, you can only write something back bit for bit, you cannot write bigger or smaller files or it may corrupt the file system |
| 23:59.21 | fflush | that I need to copy some stuff from |
| 23:59.34 | |splat| | you can read fine |
| 23:59.44 | fflush | copy/write |
| 23:59.45 | |splat| | so grab what you want then format it |
| 23:59.45 | DARKGirl_ | error occured while processing ltt-dev (NewVersion1) |
| 23:59.49 | fflush | I need to write too |
| 23:59.57 | fflush | format it |
