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| 00:01.17 | ricochet | abrotman: :( |
| 00:01.37 | Tuxguy | What package provides 'unzip' ? |
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| 00:02.02 | abrotman | ricochet: and sadly .. i gotta go meet someone for dindin |
| 00:02.11 | ricochet | :( :( |
| 00:02.18 | mentor | Tuxguy: unzip? |
| 00:02.31 | mentor | !search |
| 00:02.32 | dpkg | search is probably try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
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| 00:02.42 | Tuxguy | mentor, yeah the unzip command |
| 00:02.43 | abrotman | ricochet: just wait a few minutes .. see if anyone can help you .. save the pastebin .. don't forget the things you've tried |
| 00:03.04 | mentor | Tuxguy: I was guessing that the package may be called unzip. |
| 00:03.08 | jatt | !sarge |
| 00:03.08 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 00:03.26 | Tuxguy | mentor , ty |
| 00:04.11 | beardy | mentor: cat? |
| 00:04.31 | beardy | mentor: If you mean those ugly things meant for windows media player and/or realplayer. |
| 00:04.35 | mentor | beardy: No thank you, I'm trying to cut down. |
| 00:04.48 | mentor | beardy: er? |
| 00:05.28 | mentor | No, I mean that I have an AVI file, and I want to know what CoDec the streams within it are using. |
| 00:05.48 | beardy | mentor: define "multimedia container format file" then. |
| 00:05.50 | beardy | mentor: file |
| 00:06.05 | Tuxguy | !potato |
| 00:06.05 | dpkg | methinks potato is Debian 2.2, released August 14th, 2000, and is no longer supported. Ask me about "potato->woody" for upgrade information. something that grows underground |
| 00:06.30 | mentor | beardy: As in AVI, OGG, or an MPEG stream |
| 00:06.32 | beardy | mentor: as in 'file file.avi' |
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| 00:07.03 | mentor | beardy: That doesn't give codec information here. |
| 00:07.04 | beardy | mentor: Or does that only tell you that it is an AVI? |
| 00:07.10 | mentor | for me. |
| 00:07.26 | beardy | mentor: Ok. mplayer may have some "only look at the file" option. |
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| 00:08.00 | beardy | mentor: Or, if you play the file with mplayer, and quit immediately, you see the information of the codecs used to play it. |
| 00:08.51 | beardy | mentor: Not the finest solution, but it works. |
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| 00:11.24 | streuner | hm, would be interesting if 'gspot' running in wine :-) |
| 00:12.26 | streuner | there is a linux app which claims to be the same, but isn't in debian |
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| 00:13.19 | Lord_Devi | Ok, I need some info from some generous people. Relevant to a very irritating problem i'm having i have to ask it, Am I the ONLY person who has a screwy looking console. Just please, tell me if anyone else has ---'s and +'s to draw thier kernel's make menuconfig? |
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| 00:14.16 | afaik | well well well |
| 00:14.31 | plugwash | are there any boot floppy images availible that can be used to boot an existing debian installation? |
| 00:14.31 | mentor | Lord_Devi: Sure. It depends on your console font and a fancy decorations setting somehwere. |
| 00:15.29 | Lord_Devi | mentor: I have tried some fonts.. I have also tried switching to mingetty(mingetty was on a system i did NOT have this problem on), but i've been looking all over for more than a couple hours on this and am getting nowhere :( |
| 00:15.49 | streuner | plugwash: there is TOM's Rescue Floppies as well (don't work with lilo), but you can use the debian boot-floppies as well |
| 00:16.06 | beardy | mentor: "You can use the mencoder program (part of mplayer) to tell you the container and video codec of a file (you'll have to wade through a lot of other output)." http://www.shallowsky.com/linux/videoformats.html |
| 00:16.13 | Lord_Devi | phah! :( I just wish i had some other avenues to explore. Console setup is soooo poorly documented |
| 00:16.19 | mentor | midentify :) |
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| 00:16.37 | beardy | mentor: Atleast you don't have to manually quit that, and you can grep or awk out what you want. |
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| 00:17.17 | beardy | (or sed) |
| 00:17.23 | mentor | midentify :) |
| 00:17.51 | streuner | plugwash: why do you need floppies at all? |
| 00:18.12 | beardy | Oh.. |
| 00:18.46 | mentor | 'tis a wrapper |
| 00:18.47 | beardy | !floppy image |
| 00:18.50 | mentor | beardy: thanks |
| 00:19.05 | afaik | gnome or kde? |
| 00:19.19 | streuner | plugwash: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch04s02.html.en#where-files |
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| 00:19.32 | beardy | !floppy |
| 00:19.32 | dpkg | hmm... sarge floppies is http://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy/ or substitute your arch for i386 If you etch/testing chage "stable" to "etch". |
| 00:19.37 | beardy | mentor: You're welcome. |
| 00:20.13 | beardy | dpkg: identify media files is <reply> use midentify from mplayer |
| 00:20.13 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 00:21.11 | streuner | beardy: /msg chanserv access #debian list |
| 00:21.47 | beardy | streuner: What for? |
| 00:22.07 | streuner | nevermind |
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| 00:23.11 | beardy | Let's start puzzling.. |
| 00:23.11 | streuner | saying to somebody who stays here many years in channel and beeing an op 'You're welcome' is a little odd :-) |
| 00:23.22 | beardy | Why? |
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| 00:23.37 | beardy | Well, I don't know of a better english term.. |
| 00:23.41 | streuner | s/is/sounds/ |
| 00:24.21 | beardy | streuner: As in "bitte" when someone says "danke" do you have anything better in english? |
| 00:24.30 | streuner | np |
| 00:24.35 | netsurfer | hope you guys can help a n00b - I've got kernel 2.4.27-2-386 installed on my dedicated server.. I need the source files for it but cant find them, whats the difference in 2.4.27 and 2.4.27-2-386 ? |
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| 00:25.50 | streuner | netsurfer: 2.4.27-"2"-386 means its the second release of the kernel in debian |
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| 00:26.35 | netsurfer | streuner - is there any reason why it should be missing from packages.debian.org ? |
| 00:26.37 | beardy | streuner: The source is updated too, right? |
| 00:27.12 | beardy | netsurfer: The kernel-source is most likely also updated, so, kernel-source-2.4.27 is what you want. |
| 00:27.13 | streuner | netsurfer: well, some packages are just removed..., because they are old |
| 00:27.33 | streuner | !sdn |
| 00:27.33 | dpkg | [sdn] go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 00:27.49 | beardy | I don't think that is what he meant..? |
| 00:27.57 | netsurfer | beardy - ok... I tried that and cant make the module I need.. figured I was using the wrong source <shrug> |
| 00:28.17 | streuner | oh, you need the kernel-headers then |
| 00:28.28 | netsurfer | ooh |
| 00:28.32 | netsurfer | k |
| 00:28.34 | streuner | !b-e netsurfer |
| 00:28.34 | dpkg | netsurfer: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 00:28.50 | netsurfer | k |
| 00:29.27 | pet | K: |
| 00:29.58 | beardy | The "o" os not that far from the "k".. |
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| 00:30.11 | beardy | is |
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| 00:30.58 | pet | LjL!n=ljl BEARDY |
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| 00:31.51 | jamescarr | !dpkg |
| 00:31.52 | dpkg | dpkg, the low level tool responsible for actually installing, removing and purging Debian PacKaGes, was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. It is superficially similar to rpm. libapt and dselect are higher levels tools which are used to provide sane resolution of dependencies; dpkg is just repsonsible for making sure that the dependency graph is always consistent. |
| 00:31.52 | pet | S |
| 00:31.52 | pet | V |
| 00:32.00 | jamescarr | !dpkg automagical usb mount |
| 00:32.08 | beardy | !botmsg |
| 00:32.08 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 00:32.27 | pet | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:32.39 | nefertum | when will be xgl packages in debian sid? |
| 00:32.42 | pet | !botmsg |
| 00:32.42 | dpkg | talk to me in /msg unless there is a reason to do it in the channel |
| 00:32.53 | nefertum | are there any non-official server with them? |
| 00:32.56 | jamescarr | pet, tell me again |
| 00:33.02 | jamescarr | I dont think I heard it the first time |
| 00:33.27 | beardy | jamescarr: I suspect it is one of those best just ignored.. |
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| 00:34.17 | gravity | nefertum: Probably not any time soon. AIGLX is already in sid and etch and can run compiz and beryl just fine. |
| 00:34.40 | nefertum | aiglx? i dont know about it |
| 00:34.45 | nefertum | it's like xgl? |
| 00:34.49 | gravity | Yes |
| 00:34.55 | Gnurdux | yes but it doesnt need a seperate server |
| 00:35.21 | nefertum | apt-cache search doesnt find anythong about aiglx |
| 00:35.33 | gravity | nefertum: It's built in to the X server |
| 00:35.45 | nefertum | aham, which server is that one? |
| 00:37.00 | enouf | 7.1 |
| 00:37.45 | nefertum | ah ok, i thoght you told me about other X11 server |
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| 00:38.09 | netsurfer | streuner - thanks! worked a treat :D |
| 00:38.09 | nefertum | could you tell me some how-to or similar? |
| 00:38.42 | enouf | google's broken again? dang! |
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| 00:42.23 | pet | jamescarr you have got msn |
| 00:43.16 | pet | ?¿ |
| 00:43.22 | streuner | gravity: ever tried flux? :-) |
| 00:43.39 | pet | streuner you have got msn msg |
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| 00:47.29 | gravity | streuner: Yeah, but I like pwm better |
| 00:48.02 | streuner | gravity: hm, do you know if beryl work with flux? |
| 00:48.16 | gravity | streuner: It doesn't. beryl is (among other things) a window manager |
| 00:48.22 | gravity | You can only have one wm running at a time |
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| 00:48.42 | streuner | ah, ic :-) |
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| 00:48.44 | gravity | I recommend just forking compiz or beryl and making it flux-like |
| 00:49.07 | gravity | Or joining beryl and making it configurable like flux. They have what looks like a really open community if you want to get hacking |
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| 00:57.28 | bathat | is Wyzard in here often? |
| 00:58.01 | streuner | just ask the channel |
| 00:58.28 | bathat | sorry, how do i od that? |
| 00:58.32 | bathat | do* |
| 00:58.44 | bathat | ChanServ seen Wyzard |
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| 00:58.57 | bathat | oh sorry |
| 00:58.57 | bathat | ok |
| 00:59.07 | bathat | you mean i should ask my question to the whole channel... |
| 00:59.13 | streuner | yes |
| 00:59.44 | bathat | the nvidia debian driver freezes X |
| 01:00.25 | bathat | whenever i try to do anything gpu-bound, like playing video |
| 01:00.40 | bathat | the proprietary driver worked fine |
| 01:01.19 | bathat | Wyzard helped me finally get the debian nvidia driver to work |
| 01:01.27 | bathat | but it's not working out too well |
| 01:01.44 | streuner | "nv" or "nvidia-glx"? |
| 01:01.49 | bathat | nvidia-glx |
| 01:01.57 | bathat | nv driver works without a hitch |
| 01:02.16 | bathat | it's the glx that's causing problems, it seems |
| 01:02.56 | bathat | i'm using etch btw |
| 01:03.40 | streuner | so what's the reason you don't just use 'nv'? |
| 01:03.50 | bathat | i would like hardware acceleration |
| 01:04.02 | bathat | that's my goal in all this |
| 01:04.19 | bathat | it's not absolutely necessary, but it's preferable |
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| 01:05.03 | streuner | well, so start reading /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/ |
| 01:05.51 | bathat | oh |
| 01:05.51 | bathat | does nvidia-glx install both the new and classic tls libs? |
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| 01:06.04 | bathat | because i know the nvidia-installer needed a flag to install both |
| 01:06.14 | bathat | in order to get the drivers to work properly |
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| 01:07.32 | bathat | that's probably what's at fault |
| 01:07.38 | bathat | if it's only installing one or the other |
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| 01:08.23 | Gnurdux | nv has hardware acceleration |
| 01:08.26 | Gnurdux | just not as good |
| 01:08.46 | bathat | oh ok, i wasn't aware of that |
| 01:09.39 | streuner | nvidia-glx is the version of nvidia's website, but packaged for debian, though without free and open sources |
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| 01:10.24 | streuner | if you going to use there package you have a high chance to break your system. |
| 01:10.24 | bathat | i'm thinking (hoping) if i uncomment 'USE_TLS=1' in /etc/defaults/nvidia-glx |
| 01:10.28 | bathat | it will work |
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| 01:10.35 | bathat | forces X to use the nvidia tls libs |
| 01:10.42 | rbellamy | i'm trying to resize my ext3 partition after extending the logical volume with lvm... |
| 01:10.51 | rbellamy | and I get "resize2fs: Kernel does not support online resizing" |
| 01:10.51 | bathat | streuner: i've used nvidia-installer in the past |
| 01:10.57 | bathat | and it did break my system |
| 01:11.09 | rbellamy | which kernel do I want so it will allow online resizing? |
| 01:11.17 | bathat | but i have since fixed it and would like to stay clear of it in the future |
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| 01:11.28 | rbellamy | I was under the impression 2.6 already has it enabled |
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| 01:13.19 | bathat | before i test this, does anyone know if both classic and new tls libs are installed with nvidia-glx? |
| 01:13.35 | bathat | because that's important for me to know |
| 01:13.41 | fuxxy | I'm used to gentoo's style of package management. Is there a way that I can check to see what all apt-get has to update in order to upgrade to samba 3.0.22? |
| 01:14.06 | asg | fuxxy: apt-get -s |
| 01:14.15 | fuxxy | apt-get -s pkgname? |
| 01:14.37 | fuxxy | hmm. |
| 01:14.43 | asg | yes |
| 01:15.17 | fuxxy | root@raq2 { ~ }$ apt-get -s samba |
| 01:15.18 | fuxxy | E: Invalid operation samba |
| 01:15.29 | asg | fuxxy: apt-get -s install samba |
| 01:15.35 | fuxxy | ahh |
| 01:16.10 | fuxxy | I've been playing circle jerkey with vista+samba |
| 01:16.30 | abrotman | eh .. i thought they weren't compatible |
| 01:16.34 | abrotman | might want to ask #samba |
| 01:16.46 | asg | fuxxy: other than packaging, #samba is probably a better place to ask |
| 01:17.02 | fuxxy | Oh, I'm good with that |
| 01:17.10 | Supaplex | oh no, it's it's it's sunday |
| 01:17.15 | fuxxy | looks like the bug's fixed in 3.0.22 |
| 01:17.23 | fuxxy | and verified with my gentoo system |
| 01:17.32 | bathat | well, alright then... hopefully this works |
| 01:18.05 | rbellamy | i'm trying to resize my ext3 partition after extending the logical volume with lvm...and I get "resize2fs: Kernel does not support online resizing" So... which kernel do I want so it will allow online resizing? I was under the impression 2.6 already has it enabled... but I'm running 2.6, and I'm still getting that error. |
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| 01:18.32 | fuxxy | rbellamy, I've had BAD luck messing with partitions while they were still mounted. |
| 01:18.57 | streuner | bathat: "To force a certain setting (e.g. you may have a 2.4 kernel patched for NPTL) place USE_TLS=1 in /etc/defaults/nvidia-glx for using the nvidia tls libraries. USE_TLS=0 for not using tls libraries. This isn't normally necessary for most users." |
| 01:19.08 | fuxxy | is that what your'e referring to when you say "online resizing"? |
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| 01:19.14 | streuner | bathat: what's hard about that to unterstand? |
| 01:19.17 | rbellamy | fuxxy: yes |
| 01:19.19 | abrotman | you're not supposed to resize while mounted |
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| 01:19.47 | fuxxy | rbellamy, if you need to boot with a livecd in order to get the filesystem unmounted, then that would be my suggestion. |
| 01:19.57 | rbellamy | so, if the box is in a cage in atlanta, and I'm in california... how do I unmount a required partition? |
| 01:19.58 | fuxxy | do whatever you've gotta do to get the filesystem unmounted. |
| 01:20.17 | rbellamy | fuxxy: yeah... that's my next question. :) |
| 01:20.49 | rbellamy | 'whatever you've gotta do' is gonna be really messy if it includes me having to fly to atlanta. :) |
| 01:20.50 | robin_sz | I thought the whole point of online resizing was resizing mounted partitions ... |
| 01:20.51 | fuxxy | I think you can do some funky stuff with ramdrives |
| 01:20.54 | robin_sz | but hey, what do I know |
| 01:20.59 | rbellamy | robin_sz: yeah! |
| 01:21.08 | rbellamy | robin_sz: that's what I thought too... |
| 01:21.21 | fuxxy | robin_sz, oh, I'm not saying you can't.. I'm just saying I've had _bad_ luck with it. |
| 01:21.23 | fuxxy | :) |
| 01:21.24 | rbellamy | robin_sz: but this is the first time I've tried it... |
| 01:21.26 | fuxxy | YMMV |
| 01:21.54 | robin_sz | well, whats the worst that can happen? |
| 01:22.01 | rbellamy | fuxxy: do you happen to have some insight into why it's not even trying (regardless of the wisdom of the attempt)? |
| 01:22.13 | rbellamy | robin_sz: trashed partition |
| 01:22.21 | fuxxy | rbellamy, not offhand... |
| 01:22.27 | rbellamy | fuxxy: o |
| 01:22.31 | rbellamy | fuxxy: k |
| 01:22.35 | robin_sz | as we say around here .."faint heart never fucked a pig ..." |
| 01:22.55 | asg | robin_sz: and where exactly are you? |
| 01:22.57 | rbellamy | robin_sz: but the pig's heart fucked a faint. |
| 01:23.06 | robin_sz | UK |
| 01:23.13 | asg | robin_sz: which part? |
| 01:23.24 | robin_sz | middle bit |
| 01:23.27 | asg | ah |
| 01:23.32 | rbellamy | robin_sz: have you tried resizing online yet? |
| 01:23.38 | robin_sz | hell no |
| 01:23.42 | rbellamy | HEH |
| 01:23.43 | rbellamy | nice |
| 01:23.49 | rbellamy | LOL |
| 01:23.52 | rbellamy | that's some funny shit. |
| 01:24.04 | robin_sz | but i do know its there |
| 01:24.14 | robin_sz | should I feel the need |
| 01:24.17 | fuxxy | asg, is there a way to view the version of an installed pacikage? |
| 01:24.20 | jmd | Anyone here know how to configure D-Link Routers? I've messed mine up, and D-Link don't publish an instruction manual. |
| 01:24.26 | abrotman | fuxxy: dpkg -l <pkg> |
| 01:24.28 | abrotman | !refcard |
| 01:24.28 | dpkg | [refcard] A short reference of Debian commands can be found at http://people.debian.org/~debacle/refcard/ and will be quite useful for someone new to Debian. |
| 01:24.39 | asg | fuxxy: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
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| 01:33.05 | Kalidarn | anyone got a .chm file in which they can open in kchmviewer 2.6 |
| 01:33.11 | Kalidarn | i want to see if you can copy paste |
| 01:33.30 | Kalidarn | doesn't work with the one in the gentoo repo, and im trying to test if its an upstream bug in which i will contact the developer |
| 01:33.56 | Kalidarn | its in testing and unstable of debian |
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| 01:35.09 | Kalidarn | Red_Cloud, your runnign KDE perhaps you could quickly install kchmviewer and load up a CHM document and see if you can copy text into say any old text editor |
| 01:35.19 | Kalidarn | im pretty sure its an upstream problem |
| 01:35.42 | magyar | hello, i have an empty kcontrol and i have creatred the link to kde-applications-merged and rebuild kde database, still empty. It worked yesterday but after I applied todays patches to kdelibs and kdebase its broken |
| 01:36.42 | Red_Cloud | Kalidarn did something print to this chat from me that was inadvertent? |
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| 01:37.16 | Kalidarn | Red_Cloud, nah its just you are probably using KDE because your using ksirc |
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| 01:37.33 | Red_Cloud | Kalidarn, OK will do. |
| 01:37.38 | Kalidarn | and i figured if it were possible you might be able to quickly install kchmviewer (its like 100KB) and check that for me |
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| 01:37.54 | Kalidarn | the developer doesn't have an irc channel, and before i email him i wanted to verify it doesn't work in debian as well |
| 01:37.56 | bathat | i've fixed the problem |
| 01:37.58 | bathat | :) |
| 01:38.00 | bathat | it turns out i had to use the non-tls libs |
| 01:38.04 | bathat | which is somewhat odd |
| 01:38.18 | Kalidarn | bathat, what problem? unrelated to me? |
| 01:38.36 | bathat | a problem with the debian nvidia graphics drivers and nvidia-glx |
| 01:38.40 | bathat | random X freezes |
| 01:38.42 | Kalidarn | oh ;) |
| 01:38.46 | Kalidarn | yeah thats something else |
| 01:38.52 | bathat | glad to hear |
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| 01:39.10 | Kalidarn | yeah i just am seeing if Red_Cloud can open a CHM file in Kchmviewer 2.6 and copy paste text into another document :P |
| 01:39.28 | abrotman | Kalidarn: i mean .. couldn't you build upstream source ? |
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| 01:39.46 | Kalidarn | abrotman, thats not the problem |
| 01:40.15 | Red_Cloud | Kalidarn. I am looking for a *.chm file. Give me a minute |
| 01:40.19 | Kalidarn | there looks like a debian patch on it too actually :) |
| 01:40.22 | robin_sz | bah, whats nautilus doing wasting my precious memory? I dont even use the thing ... |
| 01:40.25 | Kalidarn | Red_Cloud, windows loves them |
| 01:40.45 | Kalidarn | so if u have a windows dir somewhere look for one there ;) |
| 01:41.02 | Kalidarn | debian appears to be 2.6-1 which would mean they have a patch |
| 01:41.02 | robin_sz | would deinstalling nautilus do bad Things (tm) ?? |
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| 01:41.57 | streuner | bathat: "To force a certain setting (e.g. you may have a 2.4 kernel patched for NPTL) place USE_TLS=1 in /etc/defaults/nvidia-glx for using the nvidia tls libraries. USE_TLS=0 for not using tls libraries. This isn't normally necessary for most users." |
| 01:42.04 | streuner | bathat: what's hard about that to unterstand? |
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| 01:43.26 | Makro2 | lot of hours and still no luck |
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| 01:43.49 | netdaemon | is there any way i can force the unloading of a module? |
| 01:43.58 | Makro2 | why is so hard to make an bootable hard disk image from a partition? |
| 01:44.26 | streuner | heh |
| 01:45.20 | Kalidarn | found you a chm file Red_Cloud |
| 01:45.30 | Red_Cloud | Kalidarn, ok |
| 01:45.39 | Kalidarn | ill just mail it to you, comes wil filezilla ;) |
| 01:45.41 | Makro2 | i need an appz who does all in one step |
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| 01:45.49 | Red_Cloud | OK |
| 01:47.17 | robin_sz | ok .. so ... it looks liek xorg/gnome IS using subpixel anti-alaising ... BUT ... Firefox isnt .. other apps look all nice and smooth, just firefox has jaggy text ... |
| 01:49.03 | Kalidarn | Red_Cloud, http://optusnet.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/filezilla/FileZilla_2_2_29.zip |
| 01:49.14 | Kalidarn | there is a .CHM in there |
| 01:49.19 | Red_Cloud | looking |
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| 01:52.21 | Red_Cloud | 50% |
| 01:52.41 | Kalidarn | thankyou |
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| 01:54.34 | Red_Cloud | 85% |
| 01:55.37 | Kalidarn | Red_Cloud, your intweweb is slow ;) |
| 01:55.44 | Kalidarn | *interweb |
| 01:56.00 | Red_Cloud | I have another download in progress for LFS live cd |
| 01:56.01 | Kalidarn | lol =) |
| 01:56.05 | Kalidarn | ah |
| 01:56.08 | Kalidarn | LFS live cd |
| 01:56.09 | Kalidarn | lol |
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| 01:58.41 | netdaemon | anyone got cpu freq scaling working? |
| 01:58.45 | Red_Cloud | Kalidarn, no cigar on the copy and paste |
| 01:58.55 | Kalidarn | ah thankyou |
| 01:59.17 | Kalidarn | also in debian there is 2.6-1 representing its been patched? what is the patch exactly? |
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| 01:59.43 | Makro2 | i got a partition with an older filesystem, i wanna make an hd image file from it, to boot it using qemu....what should be the right application for to do this? |
| 02:00.00 | smacnay | is it hard to convert from mbox to maildir format? |
| 02:00.18 | Kalidarn | a friend of mine did it with a bash script |
| 02:00.25 | Kalidarn | or he might have converted maildir to mbox |
| 02:00.29 | DaveyB | I have enabled file and printer sharing on my windows PC and shared the printer. But for some reason I can't access it from my Linux box, do I need to be in the same DOMAIN or something? |
| 02:00.32 | Kalidarn | i can't remember |
| 02:01.29 | streuner | !listvals maildir |
| 02:01.30 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'maildir' by value (10): man environment ;; exim maildir ;; mbox2maildir ;; maildir ;; start a mailbox war ;; dovecot #DEL# ;; safecat ;; offlineimap ;; /mail ;; dovecot. |
| 02:01.38 | streuner | !mbox2maildir |
| 02:01.38 | dpkg | well, mbox2maildir is a converter from the standard Unix mbox mailbox format to the much better qmail Maildir format. It can be found in the package qmail. qmail is build from qmail-src, or there is a mb2md package in sarge/sid. |
| 02:02.38 | Red_Cloud | Kalidarn the change log only says that it is now an upstream version |
| 02:02.47 | Kalidarn | ah okay |
| 02:02.52 | Kalidarn | right |
| 02:03.12 | Kalidarn | thanks for your help, im going to email him and request he fix it ;) |
| 02:03.26 | Kalidarn | cos kchmviewer is one of the best CHM viewers, except it CP doesn't work ;) |
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| 02:04.09 | Kalidarn | the patch was probably something to do with Zaurus/Debian |
| 02:04.15 | Kalidarn | and GCC 4 |
| 02:04.25 | Kalidarn | July 06, 2006 Version 2.6 released. Added the most requested feature - a right-click context menu in Contents, Search, Index and Favorites windows. Added shortcut help in context menus. Fixed compilation on gcc 4.x and on Zaurus/Debian. |
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| 02:09.37 | DaveyB | anyone? |
| 02:09.52 | Supaplex | !anyone |
| 02:09.52 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 02:10.16 | DaveyB | I have enabled file and printer sharing on my windows PC and shared the printer. But for some reason I can't access it from my Linux box, do I need to be in the same DOMAIN or something? |
| 02:10.56 | abrotman | your home win32 box has its own domain ? |
| 02:10.56 | DaveyB | yep. |
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| 02:11.01 | Keelo | i know this is offtopic, but can you mix RDRAM brands? |
| 02:11.14 | Supaplex | no domain required. the linux box might need a user/password to access that resource |
| 02:11.17 | Keelo | like two sticks of NEC and two sticks of Samsung? |
| 02:11.36 | DaveyB | Supaplex, thanks for that. |
| 02:11.36 | Keelo | just like this: [NEC] [NEC] - [Samsung] [Samsung] |
| 02:12.08 | abrotman | Keelo: ask #hardware |
| 02:12.13 | Keelo | i did |
| 02:12.17 | Keelo | they said they're not sure |
| 02:12.24 | abrotman | so you're asking .. the software people ? |
| 02:12.35 | Supaplex | Keelo: try it and see? |
| 02:13.06 | Keelo | Supaplex: i don't have them yet, that's why im asking before i buy it |
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| 02:24.45 | hologram | any hints as to why root password authentication through gksu in kde 3.5.5 for running a root terminal or synaptic from within a user session on debian etch would be suddenly failing after upgrading a few packages ? |
| 02:24.54 | hologram | i cant remember now which packages were upgraded unfortunately |
| 02:25.01 | abrotman | there's a log in /var/log/dpkg.log |
| 02:25.07 | hologram | i enter the correct root passwd |
| 02:25.16 | hologram | and su works fine at terminal/command line |
| 02:25.28 | hologram | its just this graphical authentication that is failing to realize its the correct password |
| 02:25.41 | hologram | abrotman: any hints as to how i might proceed now though? |
| 02:26.08 | abrotman | look at the packages that got upgraded .. check the bts |
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| 02:27.19 | hologram | gaa theres actually a ton of packages |
| 02:27.29 | hologram | looks like im screwed for now |
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| 02:28.27 | abrotman | you could file a bug |
| 02:29.13 | hologram | think i will go through and run a full kde upgrade .. this may iron it out as only select portions were upgraded last time through |
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| 02:32.17 | r3tex | is there some comprehensive guide to the debian init system? I'm trying to figure out stuff like how it chooses which one to boot first, and how sysv-rc-conf affects it etc... |
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| 02:32.54 | abrotman | chooses which what ? |
| 02:33.44 | jmd | Anyone here know how to configure D-Link Routers? I've messed mine up, and D-Link don't publish an instruction manual. |
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| 02:34.09 | maher | jmd: normally there's some button you can hold down for a long time to restore to factory defaults |
| 02:34.46 | jmd | maher: Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be on this model. |
| 02:34.52 | abrotman | on the back .. there's a pinhole |
| 02:35.00 | abrotman | and the manual is online |
| 02:35.28 | r3tex | abrotman, which script |
| 02:35.36 | r3tex | =/ |
| 02:35.45 | abrotman | r3tex: uhm .. S##blah .. the number is the order |
| 02:36.19 | jmd | abrotman: The manual gives no useful information whatsoever. I'll look for the pinhole when I get home, but I'm fairly sure there is none. |
| 02:36.35 | abrotman | i've never seen one of those routers without one |
| 02:36.41 | r3tex | abrotman, ok, what about things like dependencies, like gdm needs the network to be up for example |
| 02:37.05 | abrotman | r3tex: gdm is almost S99gdm unless you change it |
| 02:37.48 | r3tex | abrotman, yeah but I mean how does it know for sure that the network is initialized by the time init starts S99, or does it do everything sequentially? |
| 02:37.52 | r3tex | no paralellism? |
| 02:37.56 | hologram | abrotman: yep .. the full kde upgrade fixed the problem |
| 02:38.16 | abrotman | sequentially |
| 02:38.20 | abrotman | hologram: yay! |
| 02:38.28 | abrotman | r3tex: that's in init-ng |
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| 02:39.13 | r3tex | abrotman, ok cool, yeah init-ng gave me trouble on debian last time I tried. thanks though |
| 02:39.26 | abrotman | !info initng experimental |
| 02:39.30 | dpkg | initng: (Full replacement of the old sysvinit tool), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.5.2-1 (experimental), Packaged size: 231 kB, Installed size: 1548 kB |
| 02:39.38 | abrotman | yeah .. i didn't have much luck with it either |
| 02:40.01 | r3tex | it came with weird default scripts and i had to start changing them all and then I got tired |
| 02:40.16 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 02:42.11 | jmd | Is it worth getting a combined wireless access point /modem or should I get seperate boxes? |
| 02:43.28 | abrotman | i'd get them sepearate |
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| 02:43.59 | zmutte | hey, I have just installed bitlbee and I was wondering if the connection locally is through ssl layer or not |
| 02:44.04 | Miles_Pr0wer | Hey, #Debianites! having troubles getting IPTables routing working? hehe |
| 02:44.18 | Miles_Pr0wer | http://tails.kicks-ass.net/gateway.txt <-- tested and being used right now to route to this network. ^.^ |
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| 02:45.23 | abrotman | !iptables |
| 02:45.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, iptables is the user-space process used to administer iptables kernel parts on top of netfilter, somewhat like ipchains was in 2.2.. NOT a virgin, see ipchains, or ask me about <netfilter docs>, or at http://netfilter.org/ or http://lartc.org/.(check it out because iptables (2.4.x) has some security holes) See also: masq, or try #iptables for help, or for a proper debian-way of setting up iptables, please read ... |
| 02:46.36 | Miles_Pr0wer | Aye, all this is, is a simple firewall/NAT config script for putting in your init. |
| 02:46.44 | Miles_Pr0wer | well commented so far, going to be more so soon. ^.^ |
| 02:50.53 | ericalens | supported_versions: WARNING: Unknown Debian release: 4.0 <-- is it usual during an apt-get upgrade ? |
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| 02:53.54 | SJr|Work | what does it mean for a process to be <defunct>? |
| 02:54.34 | dondelelcaro | SJr|Work: it means that it has stopped, and it's parent hasn't called waitpid on it yet. |
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| 02:57.23 | abrotman | ericalens: what told you that ? |
| 02:57.55 | ericalens | searching if still in buffer abrotman |
| 02:58.31 | ericalens | nope.. I lost it.. |
| 02:58.57 | abrotman | ok |
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| 03:37.57 | abrotman | !moo |
| 03:37.57 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 03:38.17 | sid | Is there a good free software version of norton ghost? I want to image a debian machine, and then deploy that same exact image on 20 other machines over the network. |
| 03:39.05 | abrotman | there's ghost4unix or something like that |
| 03:39.19 | abrotman | and system-imager |
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| 03:40.14 | abrotman | erm .. systemimager |
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| 03:43.52 | jmd | sid: dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb |
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| 03:44.41 | abrotman | over the network |
| 03:44.55 | sid | Can I use netcat? |
| 03:45.01 | abrotman | yes .. there's ftpfs or sshfs |
| 03:45.04 | abrotman | erm .. shfs |
| 03:45.06 | sid | The hard disk drives, and system hardware specs are different. |
| 03:45.24 | jmd | Or a netblock mount. There's dozens of ways. |
| 03:45.24 | abrotman | systemimager .. |
| 03:45.34 | abrotman | !fai |
| 03:45.34 | dpkg | [fai] Fully Automatic Installation for debian at http://www.informatik.uni-koeln.de/fai/ or at #fai |
| 03:45.51 | sid | thanks abrotman |
| 03:45.53 | sid | I appreciate the help. |
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| 03:48.47 | withaY | !amd64 |
| 03:48.47 | dpkg | hmm... amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 03:50.17 | Coweater | is the best way to disable acpi on 2.6 just to add a kernel option in menu.lst? |
| 03:50.33 | abrotman | probably |
| 03:50.38 | abrotman | or remove the apcid |
| 03:51.11 | Coweater | will that work if it's locking the machine during boot? |
| 03:51.18 | abrotman | no |
| 03:51.30 | Coweater | alright, thanks |
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| 03:52.53 | Coweater | i added it, and ran update-grub and it took it out |
| 03:53.08 | abrotman | that bastard! |
| 03:53.25 | abrotman | you didn't have to run update-grub ... and anyways .. there's an option in the grub config to add options to kernel lines |
| 03:54.16 | abrotman | Coweater: the kopt line i think is what you wnat |
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| 03:56.59 | jindal | abrotman, can one check apcid is running fine? how? |
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| 03:57.16 | abrotman | ps aux | grep acpi ? |
| 03:57.28 | abrotman | or look in /var/run/ |
| 03:57.57 | jindal | oks got it [ wos searching for apci :P ] |
| 03:58.10 | Coweater | ah gotcha, thanks |
| 03:58.58 | withaY | i need to install etch on a remote machine w/ a Xeon (EM64T) processor. first, do i HAVE to use the AMD64 version, or would the regular x86 version do? |
| 04:00.03 | predder | the x86 version would not only work but would be recommended for stability imo |
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| 04:00.44 | predder | I had problems with libraries when using the amd64 arch |
| 04:00.49 | withaY | that's what i'm noticing in the various articles that i'm reading. ok, then that solves my second question. |
| 04:01.03 | abrotman | withaY: amd64/em64t can use any 32bit x86 OS |
| 04:01.07 | netdaemon | predder, given you actually need those libraries...i do fine running x86_64 for the most part |
| 04:01.17 | abrotman | or that's the idea anywayas |
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| 04:02.39 | netdaemon | i just wish gnash did a better job =) |
| 04:02.44 | withaY | i guess that i still haven't completely wrapped my head around the whole 64-bit thing esp. when with regards to regular server software. |
| 04:03.05 | PumpkinPie | 64 bit is a scam |
| 04:03.14 | abrotman | it's not a scam |
| 04:03.19 | PumpkinPie | scccaamm |
| 04:03.27 | abrotman | amd64/em64t is basically x86 with 64bit extensions |
| 04:03.30 | Miles_Pr0wer | Yep.. |
| 04:03.37 | netdaemon | 2^32 and 2^64, compare the 2 ;) |
| 04:03.39 | Miles_Pr0wer | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:03.47 | jamesd_ | PumpkinPie, depends on the arch... amd64 has almost twice the registers that 32 bit mode. |
| 04:04.02 | PumpkinPie | why not use 256 bit |
| 04:04.09 | Miles_Pr0wer | 1kbit. |
| 04:04.10 | abrotman | where's the CPU .. i'll use it |
| 04:04.12 | Miles_Pr0wer | that's what I want |
| 04:04.27 | withaY | yeah, i get all of that. i can do math. :) i just wonder how much of a real advantage it would offer on non-math-intensive apps. |
| 04:04.33 | netdaemon | PumpkinPie, amd64 procs are usually cheaper than the 32 bit intel procs...thats why i went with it :P |
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| 04:04.38 | netdaemon | it runs both so why not... |
| 04:04.42 | abrotman | withaY: memory addressing is one benefit |
| 04:04.54 | abrotman | netdaemon: not the dual core last i checked |
| 04:05.21 | netdaemon | abrotman, ii got this turion 64 x2 lappy $150 cheaper than an intel core duo lappy |
| 04:05.34 | abrotman | i mean just the bare CPUs |
| 04:05.39 | PumpkinPie | abrotman: theres hack jobs to solve the memory addressing problem that 64 bit solves |
| 04:05.45 | abrotman | PAE is a total hack |
| 04:05.56 | withaY | ok, thanks for the help. |
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| 04:05.59 | abrotman | and uses large amounts of your RAM to do that addressing |
| 04:06.22 | PumpkinPie | well then theres a benefit to 64 bit |
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| 04:06.28 | PumpkinPie | and hardly any to 128 or higher |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Physical_Address_Extension |
| 04:06.43 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: not right now there isn't .. but there will be as memory requirements increase |
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| 04:07.15 | PumpkinPie | 128 wont find advantages in the next 500 years |
| 04:07.30 | netdaemon | PumpkinPie, and 64 bit in the next few years |
| 04:07.35 | abrotman | and 640k ought to be enough :) |
| 04:07.50 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: i'm sure noone thought we'd be using 64bit CPUs 20 years ago |
| 04:08.04 | abrotman | maybe 30 :) |
| 04:08.14 | Miles_Pr0wer | Lots of people thought we would 10 years ago. |
| 04:08.23 | Miles_Pr0wer | that we'd be using them that year. |
| 04:08.26 | Miles_Pr0wer | and guess what? we were. |
| 04:08.29 | abrotman | they also said we'd be up to clockless CPUs by now :) |
| 04:08.31 | jmd | What do I need to for VoIP in debian? |
| 04:08.31 | Miles_Pr0wer | DEC Alphas. |
| 04:08.35 | netdaemon | 64 bit is nice though...means my hardware has somewhat future proofness |
| 04:08.36 | PumpkinPie | thats true |
| 04:08.36 | PumpkinPie | under estimated high quality HD porn videos |
| 04:08.37 | Miles_Pr0wer | so stfu. =P |
| 04:08.39 | abrotman | ekiga ? |
| 04:08.45 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: 30 years ago ? |
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| 04:08.58 | Miles_Pr0wer | 10 |
| 04:09.07 | Miles_Pr0wer | 10 years ago, we HAD 64-bit cpu's. |
| 04:09.09 | PumpkinPie | no but theres a big difference from 128 and 64.. compare 32 and 64 |
| 04:09.12 | Miles_Pr0wer | the DEC Alphas and such |
| 04:09.21 | abrotman | i know |
| 04:09.43 | PumpkinPie | blah |
| 04:10.02 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: of course there will be |
| 04:10.49 | abrotman | the step is probably to clockless or maybe the tristate stuff |
| 04:10.56 | nevyn | hrm |
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| 04:11.08 | abrotman | but i'm not a computer engineer :) |
| 04:11.16 | Miles_Pr0wer | There's a quad-state MOS being developed. |
| 04:11.23 | nevyn | hrm RS4000 mips 128bit for the win |
| 04:11.24 | xXGorlochXx | can anyone recommend a good mIRC oper bot? |
| 04:11.27 | abrotman | don't forget java on a chip! |
| 04:11.32 | abrotman | xXGorlochXx: wrong channel |
| 04:11.36 | jamesd_ | we are only 5 years away, untill companies will have 65 bit of address space in there storage, so the next step is 128.. thus we have 128 bit ZFS |
| 04:11.51 | abrotman | xXGorlochXx: somewhere they support windows garbage .. try efnet |
| 04:12.00 | nevyn | jamesd_: ummm.. we have 128bit cpu's now |
| 04:12.03 | oOGneaOo | xXGorlochXx: irc.efnet.net |
| 04:12.04 | nevyn | mips 128 |
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| 04:12.16 | nevyn | RS4000 |
| 04:12.28 | jamesd_ | nevyn, yes but no one really uses them outside of gpu and game consoles. |
| 04:12.30 | PumpkinPie | useless hardware |
| 04:12.31 | Miles_Pr0wer | Idiots. what if xXGorlochXx had wanted an oper bot for XChat on linux. |
| 04:12.34 | Miles_Pr0wer | bad bad people. |
| 04:12.44 | nevyn | jamesd_: umm SGI... NCD |
| 04:12.50 | nevyn | ummm.. lots of companies |
| 04:12.54 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: he said for mIRC .. idiot |
| 04:13.00 | oOGneaOo | Miles_Pr0wer: he specifically said 'mIRC'. |
| 04:13.17 | Miles_Pr0wer | Then what if he was running mirc in wine? |
| 04:13.17 | jamesd_ | nevyn, how are all those 128bit sales doing for SGI... ( whispers chapter 13) |
| 04:13.19 | Miles_Pr0wer | =P |
| 04:13.22 | abrotman | Miles_Pr0wer: STILL WINDOWD |
| 04:13.25 | abrotman | WINDOWS |
| 04:13.28 | abrotman | nevyn: it was 64bit |
| 04:13.33 | oOGneaOo | Miles_Pr0wer: it's still offtopic. |
| 04:13.40 | Miles_Pr0wer | abrotman, (also, some people still confuse the two terms, mirc and IRC |
| 04:13.51 | Ronin | he's got that one abrotman "_ |
| 04:13.54 | oOGneaOo | that's their problem |
| 04:13.57 | abrotman | then they shouldn't be an op |
| 04:14.03 | abrotman | !prize me |
| 04:14.07 | nevyn | abrotman: my NCD xterm is most definitly 128bit ;) |
| 04:14.16 | abrotman | R4000 ? |
| 04:14.24 | nevyn | yeah that's what I meant |
| 04:14.27 | Ronin | abrotman: cant prize yourself, thats cheating |
| 04:14.29 | abrotman | that's 64bit |
| 04:14.36 | oOGneaOo | Ronin: he just did. |
| 04:14.38 | abrotman | i had an R10k that was 64bit |
| 04:15.02 | nevyn | abrotman: my bad |
| 04:15.03 | oOGneaOo | !beer me |
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| 04:15.21 | abrotman | nevyn: i'm not saying someone hasn't done a 128bit CPU .. but MIPS isn't it |
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| 04:17.10 | oOGneaOo | damn, iptraf sucks ass after all - no support for ifrename |
| 04:17.14 | darkindigo | I was wondering if someone could help me with an install issue. I've got a Toshiba Satellite M45 Laptop (purchased a year ago), trying to do a net install of etch. |
| 04:17.25 | nevyn | abrotman: there are defintly 128bit mips cpu;s about |
| 04:17.27 | darkindigo | The installer hangs on "trying to enable the frame buffer" |
| 04:17.42 | abrotman | nevyn: i can't find evidence of any that were released .. but then again .. i didn't look to hard |
| 04:17.50 | oOGneaOo | darkindigo: so tell it not to use the framebuffer |
| 04:18.03 | darkindigo | how do I do that. I'm a newb. ;) |
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| 04:18.19 | oOGneaOo | what does the help info say when you boot the cd? |
| 04:18.55 | darkindigo | I looked at the various boot options, but none seem to apply to my laptop. But hold on a sec, I'll reboot and check again. |
| 04:19.30 | karrotx_ | i installed windows on hda1 and then linux on hda2 |
| 04:19.45 | maher | darkindigo: try a sarge netinstall... |
| 04:19.46 | karrotx_ | i recently reformated my windows and then reinstalled |
| 04:19.51 | karrotx_ | windows overwrote the bootloader |
| 04:20.04 | karrotx_ | i tried to run `grub-install hd0,0` but i still can't boot into windows |
| 04:20.06 | odla | karrotx_: reinstall bootloader? |
| 04:20.06 | karrotx_ | any ideas? |
| 04:20.17 | odla | karrotx_: grub-install /dev/hda ? |
| 04:20.22 | jmd | How do I use VoIP with debian ? |
| 04:20.24 | maher | i used to think freebsd would be old skool unixy but it turns out they are a bunch of gentoo ricers |
| 04:20.27 | widrone | karrotx_: It happens, boot from some live cd or other bootable media and fix the bootloader |
| 04:20.45 | oOGneaOo | karrotx_: boot the system with a debian cd that bootstraps the system so that it will actually boot up then reinstall the bootloader |
| 04:20.49 | darkindigo | No. I already installed sarge once. It had problems with my laptop, and when I asked for help, someone said I should use etch |
| 04:21.14 | oOGneaOo | darkindigo: oh, there isn't an entry on the laptop page for it? |
| 04:21.17 | oOGneaOo | !laptops |
| 04:21.17 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 04:21.39 | maher | darkindigo: you can just change sarge->etch without reinstallling |
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| 04:22.32 | darkindigo | Already went to laptop.net |
| 04:22.36 | darkindigo | and tuxmobil |
| 04:23.08 | Lord_Devi | When I boot up I get this "* .udev/ already exists on static /dev!" and I can't find any mention of this on the forums or on google even. Is anyone familiar with this error? |
| 04:23.19 | maher | Supaplex: you should just be able to put refit on it |
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| 04:23.30 | darkindigo | No. For some reason sarge will connect to the internet (using firefox, etc.) but it won't get packages. |
| 04:23.40 | Supaplex | refit? |
| 04:23.50 | odla | darkindigo: you can't get packages via apt-get or synaptic? |
| 04:23.56 | odla | darkindigo: but you can connect to the internet? |
| 04:23.58 | darkindigo | No. |
| 04:23.58 | maher | darkindigo: what error |
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| 04:24.07 | darkindigo | Yes, I can connect to the internet |
| 04:24.11 | widrone | Supaplex: Try holding the option key while the machiine boots. |
| 04:24.19 | odla | darkindigo: what does it say when you run apt-get update? |
| 04:24.21 | darkindigo | No I can't use apt-get |
| 04:24.30 | maher | darkindigo: why not |
| 04:24.33 | odla | darkindigo: do you have a borked sources.list? |
| 04:24.44 | Supaplex | I bet with odla :) |
| 04:24.53 | Keelo | !x11 |
| 04:24.53 | dpkg | methinks x11 is a protocol used by X servers and clients X11 stands for the eleventh version of the X window system. |
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| 04:26.45 | darkindigo | Wonder of wonders. The darn thing finally booted. And I didn't even do anything. Thanks for the help anyhow. I may be back again during the installation process... |
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| 04:28.16 | netdaemon | anyone have and hda-intel soundcard? |
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| 04:29.34 | nvz | hmm, I dont seem to be automatically set +i on here anymore |
| 04:30.08 | netdaemon | module is loaded...sound is turned up....yet no sound |
| 04:30.27 | nvz | netdaemon: no sound?] |
| 04:30.33 | netdaemon | none |
| 04:30.36 | netdaemon | testing through gaim |
| 04:30.49 | nvz | gaim? :P |
| 04:30.55 | netdaemon | works in archlinux...hrm |
| 04:31.08 | netdaemon | i have alsa-utils and linux-sound-base installed |
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| 04:31.36 | nvz | netdaemon: are snd-pcm-oss and snd-mixer-oss loaded? |
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| 04:32.15 | Rusty1 | netdaemon: try running alsaconf? |
| 04:32.17 | netdaemon | i see no oss whatsoever =O |
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| 04:32.38 | Schalken | very trivial question: does debian etch's konqueror's default toolbar configuration have seperate 'main' (back, forward etc) and 'location' bars? |
| 04:33.02 | Schalken | that is, not like firefox with all the buttons on the same bar. |
| 04:33.06 | nvz | netdaemon: modprobe snd-mixer-oss && modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 04:33.34 | netdaemon | still no go |
| 04:34.06 | nvz | netdaemon: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 04:34.29 | netdaemon | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp |
| 04:34.29 | netdaemon | cat: write error: No space left on device |
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| 04:34.34 | nvz | heh |
| 04:34.43 | nvz | I've heard that twice now |
| 04:35.14 | netdaemon | i try to avoid alsaconf but lets see what it does for me =\ |
| 04:36.51 | nvz | netdaemon: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Sound-HOWTO/x504.html 6.7 |
| 04:37.39 | nvz | that'd be nuts to fill up your partition because you dont have a device node |
| 04:39.05 | nvz | Schalken: firefox lets you fully customize the toolbars as does konqueror |
| 04:39.36 | nvz | in firefox you can grab all the items and add/remove them wherever you like |
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| 04:39.42 | Schalken | nvzn: i know i was just wondering what the package maintainer decided what the default should be |
| 04:40.12 | nvz | try it and see or look for a damn screenshot :P |
| 04:41.01 | Supaplex | oh no, /dev/null filled up my drive! |
| 04:41.05 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:41.17 | nvz | heh |
| 04:41.30 | Supaplex | cd /dev ; ln -sf dsp null |
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| 04:42.55 | jamescarr | hey.. where does kde get it's environment variables from? Apparently they arent from .bashrc or /etc/profile |
| 04:43.33 | jamescarr | because I just printed the result of env from within kde and the ones in those files are not listed. I have restarted X yeah |
| 04:43.48 | jamescarr | the original ones dont even show up |
| 04:44.25 | Supaplex | and that's a problem because? |
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| 04:46.07 | Supaplex | I'm still trying to understand the problem as you see it. Not really sure why that's causing any issues for you. |
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| 04:47.11 | zu22 | yo |
| 04:47.22 | Supaplex | !yo |
| 04:47.22 | dpkg | yao! |
| 04:49.03 | zu22 | i am looking for a good way to prune unwanted packages (running testing), is there a way to see the footprint (size of package and associated dependent packages) of packages (preferably listed in order of size) and a relatively clean/hassle free way to purge the packages i don't really want? i tried dpkg once but didn't like the whole menu/submenu marking process, too tedious |
| 04:49.49 | zu22 | i thought security sources were only used in stable but it appears testing has them now as well |
| 04:49.56 | centrx | you can find packages on which no other package depends by using deborphan |
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| 04:50.57 | lunitik | centrx, deborphan is only for libs that are unused.... |
| 04:51.17 | centrx | lunitik that's useful in itself, but if you do -a it shows all packages |
| 04:51.25 | zu22 | centrx: ok, but i really want to see the footprint of all my packages so i can decide which ones i really don't want (ie the biggest offenders that are not absolutely needed) |
| 04:51.26 | centrx | of course, you have to be judicious and not delete packages you want |
| 04:52.08 | zu22 | when i did my last upgrade i noticed tons of KDE related libs (over 40 MB worth) and i don't even run KDE! lol |
| 04:52.20 | zu22 | so i want to get rid of all that KDE stuff, i just run GNOME |
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| 04:54.49 | mlots | Why does sound work under 2.4 and not 2.6 with sarge? The sound modules apear to load. What should I be looking for? alsaplayer doesn't run, dsp seems to be missing, udev is installed... |
| 04:55.10 | Coweater | zu22: /msg dpkg remove kde |
| 04:56.00 | Coweater | check the list it gives you before confirming of course, but that'll get pretty much everything kde |
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| 04:57.17 | zu22 | Coweater: thanks, i also eat cows :) |
| 04:58.31 | Supaplex | !ramen |
| 04:58.31 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 04:58.45 | Supaplex | mmm yummy |
| 04:59.00 | Supaplex | did I mention my ramen is cow flavored? :) |
| 04:59.07 | zu22 | haha ramen is ok but i like to add sesame seed oil and some fresh mushrooms to it :) |
| 04:59.13 | Schalken | can someone point me to the 32bit testing dvd torrent? the site points to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/bt-dvd/ but there is nothing there :( |
| 04:59.13 | zu22 | Supaplex: lol |
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| 05:02.07 | Pupeno | Is it possible to add some Etch repos as deb-src to apt and use it to download sources and build them (against a running Sarge) ? |
| 05:02.21 | Supaplex | Pupeno: of course. |
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| 05:02.41 | Pupeno | Supaplex: What is/are the command/s to do it ? I mean, the building. |
| 05:03.03 | Supaplex | $EDITOR /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 05:03.44 | Pupeno | Supaplex: I mean, for building the packages (I know the editing and updating part). |
| 05:04.19 | zu22 | Pupeno: rolling your own packages is a seperate issue |
| 05:04.25 | karsten | Schalken: Um. If you possibly can, do a netinst. |
| 05:04.26 | Supaplex | I usually stick with dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -uc -us, but you might want to review the man page. |
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| 05:05.55 | Pupeno | I remember there was a command to automatically download the sources and build them (from a deb-src apt source)... does such a command exist ? |
| 05:05.55 | Supaplex | apt-get |
| 05:05.55 | Schalken | karsten: nah i have stuff to do while im downloading (play supertux) so i would like to download and then install |
| 05:05.55 | Pupeno | I've been download the .dsc, diff.gz and orig.tar.gz to build packages for a long time, I want to do it faster. |
| 05:06.29 | Supaplex | apt-get can download and build. it's burried in the man page (and even deeper in my brain) |
| 05:06.53 | Pupeno | ok. |
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| 05:08.37 | Pupeno | apt-get source --compile <package>, but it doesn't add -rfakeroot, I bet that's configurable |
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| 05:15.06 | Schalken | why are there three dvd isos for testing in http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-dvd/ ? |
| 05:15.07 | Supaplex | powerpc ibook, how do I find the openfirmware path for boot=/dev/sda2? (1gb flash disk;mac partitioned) |
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| 05:15.49 | rodolfo | Schalken, i don't know but i burned all of them and there isn't any difference |
| 05:16.23 | Supaplex | I thought it was because etch has that much software |
| 05:16.39 | Schalken | rodolfo: there should be, they have different md5s |
| 05:16.41 | Supaplex | you only need cd1 (not even dvd1) if you have a net connection. |
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| 05:17.56 | Pupeno | If it is configurable, I can't find it. |
| 05:19.03 | Schalken | Supaplex: i see so they contain different packages, and for the initial install i would get dvd1? |
| 05:19.06 | Supaplex | Pupeno: I wonder how the autobuild project does it. http://buildd.debian.org I think it was. |
| 05:19.18 | Pupeno | Is there anything wrong with fakeroot apt-get source --compile <package> ? |
| 05:19.26 | Supaplex | Schalken: yup. most popular software and isntaller is on cd1/dvd1. |
| 05:19.33 | Schalken | ah |
| 05:19.37 | Schalken | Supaplex: thanks! |
| 05:20.06 | Supaplex | Pupeno: not that I know of |
| 05:20.58 | Supaplex | Schalken: and if the box it's going to be installed on has an ok net connection, you can update/install via apt after the base system is isntalled. the netinstall iso is great for that. |
| 05:22.00 | Schalken | Supaplex: well i dont want to be waiting for my os to download during the install when i could be playing a game or something |
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| 05:44.05 | wangensh | what't the timeline of debian 4.0? |
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| 05:56.50 | eeyore- | evening |
| 05:57.01 | predder | moo |
| 05:58.28 | zu22 | oink |
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| 05:59.39 | zu22 | I've noticed my swap partition (250 MB) is almost never ever used. I made it the same size of my RAM. Should I just delete it? Or will that cause system instability? |
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| 06:00.58 | eeyore- | zu22: it's good to have swap as a last resort. if you run out of memory and have no swap, kernel will just have to kill some random tasks |
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| 06:01.43 | zu22 | eeyore-: okey, you think 250mb is a decent size? |
| 06:01.58 | eeyore- | zu22: depends on your needs. i run 1GB/2GB real/swap |
| 06:02.28 | eeyore- | on production machines. 1GB/1GB (or 512MB) on personal machines |
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| 06:03.01 | zu22 | eeyore-: ah 2x, i asked around at the time i was making decision (#debian and #linux) and consensus was 1x real was good for swap size if system has << 1GB RAM as is my case. |
| 06:03.19 | zu22 | eeyore: gotcha. this is non-production machine. |
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| 06:03.45 | zu22 | thx |
| 06:04.04 | eeyore- | zu22: it depends on workload :-) |
| 06:04.42 | zu22 | eeyore-: heh my load is usually pretty low but yeah that makes sense to consider. |
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| 06:08.29 | sid | When does the etch general freeze start? |
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| 06:14.46 | |ryan| | What filesystem should I use for my filesrever? I'm running 6x200GB drives in RAID5, with LVM on top of the raid device. |
| 06:16.29 | |ryan| | I was going to use XFS, but i'm seeing some messages about write barriers not being supported, and this concerns me. It says that you can just disable write-caching, but will that ensure that writes are not cached at the MD and LVM layers? |
| 06:16.58 | lunitik | |ryan|, Best LVM fs would likely be EXT3 as LVM(2) is a Red Hat thing, and they're backing EXT3 |
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| 06:17.42 | lunitik | |ryan|, many say the best FS for Linux currently is XFS, but how much attention XFS+LVM has gotten I'm not sure... |
| 06:18.13 | |ryan| | ext3 is unacceptable. |
| 06:18.34 | lunitik | |ryan|, Its what has gotten the most testing with LVM *shrug* |
| 06:18.43 | |ryan| | If I use ext3, I will lose 80GB of capacity |
| 06:19.17 | lunitik | |ryan|, Any journeling fs will cause loss of some capacity... journels occupy space... |
| 06:19.47 | |ryan| | xfs loses almost nothing. |
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| 06:20.14 | eeyore- | RyanTMulligan: you probably didn't read up on "mke2fs -m0" <- |
| 06:20.26 | eeyore- | |ryan| ^^^^ |
| 06:20.35 | |ryan| | um... |
| 06:20.38 | |ryan| | don't think so. |
| 06:20.41 | lunitik | |ryan|, then use that? like I said, many say XFS is the best fs for Linux (these are the same groups that say ZFS is the best fs in existance...) |
| 06:20.42 | eeyore- | |ryan|: did you mean to say that "after i reserved 0% for root, i still 'lost' 80GB"? |
| 06:21.08 | |ryan| | I'll try it. |
| 06:21.27 | |ryan| | lunitik: I like what I've seen of XFS |
| 06:21.28 | lunitik | I'd still say EXT3 would be the best to use with LVM, simply due to more testing... |
| 06:21.38 | |ryan| | I just don't want my data to get lost ;) |
| 06:21.47 | eeyore- | |ryan" by default, ext2/ext3 will reserve a certain *percentage* for root. so of course on huge partitions, 10% is going to be a lot bigger than on small partitions |
| 06:22.01 | |ryan| | how long does ti take to formate a 1TB device with ext3.... |
| 06:22.06 | |ryan| | we shell see.... |
| 06:22.10 | |ryan| | er |
| 06:22.11 | eeyore- | format, or badblocks |
| 06:22.17 | eeyore- | format is nearly instantaneous |
| 06:22.17 | |ryan| | format. |
| 06:22.35 | eeyore- | let me see on our 1.5TB ... here |
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| 06:22.55 | zu22 | anyone know how to add that debian menu that lists lots of debian packges (if installed)? is it a package? and how do i install it in my wm (fvwm95)? |
| 06:23.03 | |ryan| | I also like that I can enlarge xfs online. |
| 06:23.06 | zu22 | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:23.26 | |ryan| | still creating the filesystem |
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| 06:23.49 | |ryan| | about a third done. |
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| 06:24.12 | zu22 | when i ran blackbox the menu was in there by default but now in fvwm95 it is gone |
| 06:24.17 | tsp | can I install debian on a 16mb laptop? I still need a serial console, but it gives an error about needing 22mb |
| 06:24.23 | |ryan| | also |
| 06:24.38 | |ryan| | won't mke2fs make ext2 not ext3? |
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| 06:24.48 | peterS | |ryan|: yes, if you don't pass -j to it |
| 06:24.53 | peterS | |ryan|: if you do, it makes ext3 |
| 06:25.06 | |ryan| | bleh, I can tune2fs -j it. |
| 06:25.10 | lunitik | tsp, You might get boot-floppies (woody installer) to install on that box? |
| 06:25.38 | spikeb | i have a rather...silly question. is the gtk theme and color scheme used in the etch graphical installer available in the archives anywhere? |
| 06:25.38 | peterS | |ryan|: also, if you call it by its "mkfs.ext3" link, it detects this and enables -j automatically |
| 06:25.46 | tsp | lunitik: I used the 3.1 boot disk with speakup |
| 06:25.47 | lunitik | I thought debian-installer needed 32mb to work |
| 06:25.51 | |ryan| | that, I know. |
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| 06:26.01 | zu22 | !debian menu |
| 06:26.01 | lunitik | tsp, ok... thats debian-installer .... |
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| 06:26.11 | tsp | which version is woody? 3.0? |
| 06:26.16 | lunitik | tsp, yes |
| 06:26.18 | tsp | ah ok |
| 06:26.20 | zu22 | ,debian menu |
| 06:26.21 | eeyore- | |ryan|: on 4 500GB, we get 1442161020k usable space out of the array |
| 06:26.22 | |ryan| | This will let me see how much space the journal takes up, anyway. |
| 06:26.29 | tsp | thanks... |
| 06:27.00 | |ryan| | for purely ego reasons, I would like the actual usable capacity to exceed one trillion bytes. |
| 06:27.33 | peterS | just so you can say you have a "terabyte" of storage? |
| 06:27.35 | eeyore- | RyanTMulligan: then read up on block size, reserved percentage, inodes per block, etc. before calling it unacceptable |
| 06:27.45 | eeyore- | |ryan|: ^^^ |
| 06:27.46 | zu22 | eeyore-: wow you lose 30% with journal filesystem, is the cost worth the benefit? never used one just ext2 |
| 06:27.47 | |ryan| | heh |
| 06:27.58 | eeyore- | zu22: raid5 |
| 06:27.59 | peterS | I don't buy that, I consider a TB to be 2^40 bytes, not 10^12 bytes |
| 06:28.01 | |ryan| | well, I'll see. |
| 06:28.13 | |ryan| | peterS: I takes what I can get. |
| 06:28.15 | |ryan| | ;) |
| 06:28.28 | tsp | which 1.44mb floppy image do I boot first? rescue.bin? |
| 06:28.41 | peterS | yes |
| 06:28.46 | tsp | thanks |
| 06:28.48 | eeyore- | zu22: that should be 500x3 + 1 (equivalent of) parity |
| 06:28.53 | |ryan| | anyway. |
| 06:29.08 | zu22 | eeyore-: ah |
| 06:29.24 | |ryan| | done writing inode tables, now it's busy writing superblocks. |
| 06:29.56 | |ryan| | it just bothers me to lose a signifigant portion of storage space like that. |
| 06:30.04 | peterS | significant? |
| 06:30.24 | |ryan| | tired and scan't spell :( |
| 06:30.37 | eeyore- | it's not about the spelling |
| 06:30.42 | peterS | I wasn't actually commenting on your spelling, I was commenting on your belief that the overhead is significant |
| 06:31.01 | eeyore- | bingo |
| 06:31.24 | |ryan| | well, with -m0, ext2 took up 15GB, which is less then I thought. |
| 06:31.39 | |ryan| | I was going off the figures here: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/388 |
| 06:31.41 | eeyore- | play with inode density and block size |
| 06:31.57 | peterS | yeah if you're storing DVD images, you don't need a lot of inodes |
| 06:32.02 | |ryan| | hehe |
| 06:32.07 | |ryan| | how did you know ;) |
| 06:32.08 | eeyore- | again, depends on your usage of the array. if you have mostly huge files, sure, large blocks will save space |
| 06:32.24 | |ryan| | I expect most of the files on there to be 100MB+ |
| 06:32.26 | eeyore- | s/save space/make more space usable and available |
| 06:32.26 | peterS | OTOH, if you're storing little 35kB pr0n jpegs, you need a lot of inodes |
| 06:32.53 | |ryan| | heh |
| 06:32.56 | |ryan| | 35kB? |
| 06:33.00 | |ryan| | ick. |
| 06:33.09 | eeyore- | midget porn don't take much room |
| 06:33.36 | |ryan| | wow... bad taste... |
| 06:34.14 | |ryan| | at any rate... I will be using this for storing video files and backups, mostly. |
| 06:34.18 | eeyore- | you're not supposed to lick your midgets ... |
| 06:34.27 | |ryan| | XD |
| 06:34.28 | tsp | where are the base floppies for debian? |
| 06:34.31 | Supaplex | just a sad excuse for caling it child pr0n ;) |
| 06:34.34 | tsp | woody, that is... can't find them in disks/i386 |
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| 06:34.59 | eeyore- | RyanTMulligan: yeah, large block size, fewer inodes |
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| 06:35.06 | eeyore- | |ryan|: <- hard to nick complete this one |
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| 06:35.24 | |ryan| | heh |
| 06:36.18 | peterS | probably not much longer than it took you to type that line |
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| 06:36.35 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 06:36.45 | |ryan| | 122109952 inodes... I do _NOT_ need that many.... |
| 06:36.52 | |ryan| | peterS: still going. |
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| 06:37.27 | |ryan| | so what paramaters were you saing to mess with? number of inodes and block size? |
| 06:38.11 | Supaplex | 4mb block size comes in handy for /backups/ when most all your backup images are in the 10m-20g+ range |
| 06:39.08 | |ryan| | hmm |
| 06:39.09 | eeyore- | -i bytes_per_inode -O sparse_super |
| 06:39.28 | eeyore- | and -b blocksize |
| 06:39.30 | peterS | eeyore-: also you should tell him how to do 'man mke2fs' so he can figure this out on his own |
| 06:39.32 | |ryan| | this man page says i'm limited to 4096 bytes max block size. |
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| 06:39.43 | eeyore- | right |
| 06:40.40 | |ryan| | and I can set the bytes per inode to 104857600 or so in this case. |
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| 06:41.44 | kyuss | Ohhh, trying to get a vnc server working on my debian box |
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| 06:42.22 | |ryan| | holy cow |
| 06:42.39 | |ryan| | ok, journal FINALY finished |
| 06:45.23 | peterS | the amount of effort this guy is going to just to try to get an extra 1% of capacity out of his filesystem brings to mind a gentoo user and his CPU |
| 06:45.33 | |ryan| | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:45.47 | peterS | 1% is still 1% |
| 06:46.01 | eeyore- | hey! |
| 06:46.15 | tsp | woody's hapilly being installed via floppies - any wya to upgrade later? |
| 06:46.19 | centrx | that's many times more than 0% |
| 06:46.44 | `ns` | and 10GB will hold a lot of pr0n :) |
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| 06:46.57 | kyuss | hmm |
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| 06:47.37 | kyuss | um, hrmm |
| 06:47.39 | peterS | yeah but the point is, by the time his filesystem is 95% full, whether it's 95% or 96% isn't going to be a noticeable issue, he's still gonna want to be thinking about buying more pr0n space |
| 06:48.44 | kyuss | the bcast ip is the gateway ip? |
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| 06:50.28 | peterS | kyuss: no, broadcast is broadcast |
| 06:50.33 | peterS | gateway is something different |
| 06:50.58 | peterS | if you don't know your broadcast address, don't worry, the default (derived from your IP and netmask addresses) is usually fine |
| 06:51.23 | |ryan| | kyuss: no. it's calculated based on the subnet mask |
| 06:52.30 | tsp | ssh root@192.168.2.1 |
| 06:52.36 | tsp | en la komenco dio kreis la cxielon kaj la teron |
| 06:52.38 | tsp | ed /etc/config/firewall |
| 06:53.19 | peterS | tsp: change your root password now |
| 06:53.20 | |ryan| | thanks guys, those tweaks got me an extra 14GB |
| 06:53.37 | tsp | don't have to, ssh'd into 192.168.2.1... |
| 06:53.49 | |ryan| | tsp: do it anyway, dude.... |
| 06:53.54 | tsp | good idea |
| 06:54.29 | tsp | I'm always doing something dumb like that |
| 06:54.37 | nvz | heh |
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| 06:54.58 | tsp | no one's got my paypal password yet |
| 06:55.02 | nvz | I changed my passwords the other night and forgot mine, but I remembered the root |
| 06:55.05 | tsp | but its only a matter of time |
| 06:55.16 | |ryan| | peterS: Well, anyway, I think it is was worth the trouble for the extra space. |
| 06:55.18 | peterS | my briefcase combination is 12345 |
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| 06:55.42 | nvz | peterS: I think I seen you on that movie spaceballs :P |
| 06:55.43 | |ryan| | <obligatory spaceballs quote> |
| 06:55.55 | peterS | nvz: perhaps, perhaps |
| 06:56.13 | peterS | |ryan|: ...because good is dumb |
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| 06:57.31 | |ryan| | meh. |
| 06:58.05 | tsp | heh |
| 06:58.35 | |ryan| | in any event... is there any reason to leave write caching enabled on my hard drives, or is that just a reappy bad idea? |
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| 06:58.53 | ArtVandalae | Is restricting SSH logins by country IP code a common thing? |
| 06:59.03 | ArtVandalae | I mean is it a good idea? |
| 06:59.06 | peterS | |ryan|: if you're going to use a journalling filesystem like ext3, I think write caching pretty much defeats the purpose |
| 06:59.18 | |ryan| | yeah. |
| 06:59.18 | peterS | ArtVandalae: how do you propose to do this? |
| 06:59.31 | |ryan| | there's a geoip match for iptables. |
| 06:59.47 | |ryan| | I would call that not worth the trouble though. |
| 06:59.57 | |ryan| | ArtVandalae: implement port knocking instead. |
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| 07:00.39 | peterS | the security of port knocking relies on the attacker not being able to listen in to successful connections. if you can assume _that_, you may as well stick to telnet |
| 07:01.07 | |ryan| | peterS: Not exactly. |
| 07:01.32 | |ryan| | peterS: It has it's place for keeping random idiots scanning your systems out. |
| 07:01.46 | peterS | and the random idiots are causing _what_ harm? |
| 07:02.35 | centrx | precious bandwidth |
| 07:02.35 | |ryan| | using some 0day ssh exploit, or cracking weak used passwords. |
| 07:03.03 | peterS | centrx: you can't prevent people from using your incoming bandwidth. you just can't. unless your ISP is cooperating with you in doing traffic shaping. |
| 07:03.06 | |ryan| | Puser. |
| 07:03.25 | |ryan| | User. |
| 07:03.26 | |ryan| | damn. |
| 07:04.10 | tsp | is 2' 2 inches or 2 feet? |
| 07:04.21 | |ryan| | I'd just rather not having hostiles being able to talk to services that are not for public use. |
| 07:04.21 | peterS | feet |
| 07:04.27 | tsp | 5ah ok |
| 07:04.30 | sng | Listening to pork knocking connections is easier than *either* of those. :) Port knocking is nothing more or less than anohter plain text auth scheme. Just say no, kids. |
| 07:04.35 | tsp | I never get that right |
| 07:04.54 | |ryan| | no, your password and crypto is the auth scheme. |
| 07:04.59 | peterS | I'll take my chances on the 0day ssh exploits. there's a lot of complexity in the openssh server, but almost all of it happens _after_ you authenticate |
| 07:05.29 | |ryan| | port knocking just keeps people with port scanner from finding your ssh server. |
| 07:05.44 | sng | peterS: Almost as if the boys from Calagry have great big old buckets of clue, eh? :) |
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| 07:06.13 | peterS | I don't mind if people with port scanners find my ssh server |
| 07:06.27 | peterS | the harm it does to me mainly consists of useless junk in syslog |
| 07:06.52 | tsp | jes, mi sendos mian vortliston |
| 07:07.02 | |ryan| | Yeah, that does tend to be all they can do, but still. There are situations when it may be useful. |
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| 07:07.34 | peterS | I also have the luxury of not having any stupid users who can set stupid passwords |
| 07:07.42 | tsp | heh |
| 07:07.42 | |ryan| | that is a nice merit. |
| 07:07.49 | tsp | people trying to log into ftp with administrator... |
| 07:07.58 | |ryan| | port knocking isn't compatible with stupid users anyway. |
| 07:08.11 | tsp | are their scripts too stupid to realize that it's a bsd ftp server? |
| 07:08.30 | peterS | when I do need to set up an ssh server where the machine has stupid user accounts on it, I disable password auth |
| 07:08.48 | |ryan| | heh |
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| 07:09.50 | peterS | having only public key auth seems a lot easier to secure than relying on port knocking to keep the bad guys from guessing easy passwords |
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| 07:10.03 | tsp | I got a laptop and the drives's going click, click, click every few minutes. Does that mean its dying, or just shutting itself off? |
| 07:10.33 | |ryan| | probably means you need to adjust your standby timout on it. |
| 07:10.43 | tsp | it's a toshiba laptop |
| 07:10.51 | tsp | and unless its the bios, it can't be anything else |
| 07:11.07 | tsp | 850mb hd |
| 07:11.56 | tsp | I would use ms-dos if I could get pcmcia |
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| 07:18.11 | |ryan| | Is there a way to automaticly get some hdparm settings applied to drives at boot without my bothing to write my own init scrip for it? |
| 07:18.24 | dashome | tsp: I wouldn't trust that HDD. |
| 07:18.49 | dashome | 850mb is an OLD drive. |
| 07:18.57 | dashome | tsp: Does badblocks show anything? |
| 07:19.05 | eeyore- | tsp: it depends on the click sound ... yeah, when a dying drive can't find sector or can't track, it can reset and that might be head reset sound you hear |
| 07:19.43 | eeyore- | or it could be "normal" operational sound. it really depends. some drives will make audible noise as they seek |
| 07:19.54 | dashome | It is a laptop, a backup is a very good idea. |
| 07:20.17 | eeyore- | tsp: is a 16MB laptop with 850MB drive worthwhile? |
| 07:20.49 | dashome | eeyore-: They can be useful. |
| 07:21.01 | dashome | eeyore-: Depending on what you are doing. |
| 07:21.13 | jamesd_ | eeyore-, were in debian.. it can do fine just keep X away from it. |
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| 07:21.50 | Gokee2 | If I had grub working and then I install grub what do I do to make grub work again? Booting into knoppix chrooting to hda2 (my debian part) and running grub-install /dev/hda spits out a lot of problems... |
| 07:22.03 | dashome | screen + irssi + w3m/lynx + vim |
| 07:22.06 | Gokee2 | then I install windows* |
| 07:22.07 | dashome | See, very useful. :p |
| 07:22.24 | jamesd_ | Mem: 46344k total, 28916k used, 17428k free, 1808k buffers <-- my apache, php, mysql server... |
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| 07:22.48 | eeyore- | i hope it at least has decent graphics chip that can run under directfb |
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| 07:25.27 | atp | is there anyway to make a background process (that i own) have it's tty set to my current terminal, assuming it has no tty? |
| 07:25.34 | atp | its tty rather |
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| 07:38.58 | Xif | Hi. How do I stop the running identd service? I thought there should be a /etc/init.d/identd, but there isn't. |
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| 07:42.11 | nepali | which command is used to find the mother boad model in debian (like cat /proc/cpuinfo for cpuinformation) |
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| 07:42.41 | g333k | Hi, I'm receiving this error when loading eclipse: "Error modifying a preference change listener. Check the log for details." any clue? |
| 07:42.55 | lunitik | g333k, did you check the log? |
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| 07:43.07 | nepali | debhelper, which command is used to display mother board model |
| 07:43.14 | g333k | lunitik, I dont log what log it means |
| 07:43.58 | g333k | nepali, lshw |
| 07:44.11 | karsten | nepali: You might get mileage from dmidecode as well. |
| 07:44.31 | karsten | g333k: Does eclipse generate a log, by chance? |
| 07:44.38 | karsten | g333k: Try ~/.eclipse/, eg. |
| 07:45.09 | nepali | karsten, is there is like cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 07:45.40 | karsten | nepali: No, it's a utility that scans the DMI information encoded on boards directly. |
| 07:46.11 | karsten | nepali: One advantage is that it doesn't rely on the kernel to interpret the data. It's telling you the manufacturer's own encoded info. For better or worse. |
| 07:46.41 | karsten | g333k: strace eclipse if all else fails to see what it's writing to. |
| 07:46.44 | g333k | karsten, no logs in ~/eclipse |
| 07:46.51 | nepali | g333k, is lshw and lshal is same |
| 07:47.34 | karsten | nepali: FYI I haven't tried lshw myself, you should give that a shot as well. |
| 07:47.51 | Firefishe | anyone here use garnome? |
| 07:48.05 | karsten | !tell Firefishe about polls |
| 07:48.24 | Firefishe | I'm not taking a poll |
| 07:48.41 | Firefishe | linux powered zombie badgers no doubht ;) |
| 07:48.45 | karsten | Firefishe: Yes, because we're not letting you ;-) |
| 07:48.51 | g333k | nepali, nop |
| 07:48.52 | karsten | Firefishe: Just ask your question. |
| 07:49.16 | karsten | Firefishe: How do you kill a zombie badger? |
| 07:49.27 | nepali | g333k, i have lshal and i found , thanks |
| 07:49.33 | Firefishe | I dunno, how? |
| 07:49.47 | g333k | nepali, ood |
| 07:49.51 | g333k | nepali, good* |
| 07:49.55 | Firefishe | send it to /dev/necronull? |
| 07:49.55 | karsten | Firefishe: You can't. They're already die. |
| 07:49.59 | karsten | ded. |
| 07:49.59 | karsten | dead. |
| 07:50.02 | karsten | Feh. |
| 07:50.21 | spikeb | hah |
| 07:50.25 | spikeb | justice at last. |
| 07:50.37 | g333k | any clue for my problem? |
| 07:51.22 | Firefishe | that should get you back up and running ;) |
| 07:52.42 | karsten | Danke. |
| 07:52.53 | karsten | Or you could just send me SIGCONT |
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| 07:57.57 | karsten | Hrm.... |
| 07:58.09 | karsten | WTH is SIGRTMAX? |
| 07:58.45 | karsten | Ah. Realtime? |
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| 07:59.55 | vaq | Where do i find a list over supported network wireless cards in Debian? |
| 08:00.07 | karsten | !HCL |
| 08:00.07 | dpkg | well, hcl is at http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/, or see http://www.linuxcompatible.org/compatlist3.html to see what's supported by the linux kernel, or http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 08:00.35 | karsten | vaq: In general, look for the Lucent orinoco chipset. There's a lot of crap out there. |
| 08:00.52 | vaq | karsten: Okay, thanks :) |
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| 08:01.54 | codesta | hi guys, anyone know of a way to delete settings left behind by packages that have already been removed in gconf-editor? there is no delete option and i forgot where the configuration file reside |
| 08:02.12 | chemaja | codesta: ~/.gconf* |
| 08:02.22 | codesta | chemaja, thanks =) |
| 08:02.33 | chemaja | codesta: i'm not just a pretty face |
| 08:02.44 | karsten | erm. codesta |
| 08:02.44 | chemaja | what do i do with |
| 08:03.01 | vaq | karsten: hmm only one wireless card is mentioned in http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Hardware-HOWTO/nic.html |
| 08:04.09 | Firefishe | Here's my Q. I'm installing garnome on my Debian 3.1 box, and I'm getting a weird compile error, listed here: http://rafb.net/paste/results/mtHuD043.html |
| 08:04.19 | tsp | z |
| 08:04.22 | tsp | z |
| 08:04.28 | karsten | vaq: Might try: http://www.seattlewireless.net/index.cgi/HardwareComparison |
| 08:04.30 | tsp | stupid ed |
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| 08:04.33 | tsp | hmm |
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| 08:05.17 | spikeb | are you IRCing from ed? |
| 08:06.40 | tsp | no |
| 08:06.45 | tsp | forgot I was in irc, not edbrowse |
| 08:06.51 | karsten | vaq: Another option is to find out what's for sale in your area / online, *GET CHIPSET MARKINGS*, Google those and look for good Linux experiences. |
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| 08:08.41 | vaq | karsten: ye, gonna try that. |
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| 08:10.55 | bokey | hey does anyone know if XMB can be run on Gnu/Linux systems ? |
| 08:11.14 | karsten | XMB? |
| 08:11.25 | Qy | Hello. I've installed the Nvidia drivers using the installer and it successfully installed. However, ANY application that uses 3D segfaults |
| 08:11.35 | karsten | Xanadu Moto-Baku? |
| 08:11.47 | bokey | karsten: cross media bar. it's proprietary from sony. |
| 08:12.38 | chemaja | karsten: perhaps a tactical nuke... |
| 08:13.01 | karsten | chemaja: Point. |
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| 08:13.01 | bokey | karsten: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_Media_Bar |
| 08:13.13 | karsten | Sony. Aren't they the virus company from Japan? |
| 08:13.25 | Qy | Anyone has an idea why applications return 'Segmentation fault' with the newest nvidia drivesr? |
| 08:13.36 | chemaja | Qy: because nvidia make pooware? |
| 08:13.36 | karsten | !nvidia |
| 08:13.36 | dpkg | hmm... nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 08:13.42 | cydork | Qy: coz they suck.. |
| 08:13.51 | bokey | karsten: so you're not aware of xmb sources ? |
| 08:14.00 | karsten | Qy: beware the binary blob. Intel's making spec'd graphics HW now. Go Intel. |
| 08:14.12 | chemaja | yay i965 |
| 08:14.14 | karsten | bokey: That would be a valid assessment. |
| 08:14.59 | bokey | karsten: that's fine. me neither. i don't think anyone else's got src =) cheers. |
| 08:15.46 | karsten | cydork: i810 is _very_ unaccelerated. |
| 08:15.52 | Qy | !nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 08:16.05 | cydork | karsten: it works :) |
| 08:16.16 | karsten | cydork: ... as is my S3 driver. |
| 08:16.28 | Qy | eer why is dpkg not telling me the instructions |
| 08:16.30 | karsten | cydork: Unfortunatly, Google Earth _loves_ accelerated graphics. |
| 08:16.31 | chemaja | karsten: while we're on the subjet of intellinuxgraphics, are there any notebook offerings that are opensourced? afaik, i965 is just for desktops. |
| 08:16.39 | Qy | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 08:16.40 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 08:16.45 | cafuego | Qy: You're not registered with nickserv. |
| 08:16.48 | cydork | karsten: i can run google earth too .. :) |
| 08:16.59 | karsten | chemaja: Dunno. Keep an eye on Lenovo, I guess. |
| 08:17.07 | karsten | chemaja: I'm mostly seeing IIRC matrox. |
| 08:17.08 | chemaja | karsten: those overpriced bastards |
| 08:17.20 | chemaja | karsten: but they have a sweet trackpoint interface for pointer |
| 08:17.23 | Qy | which repo is sid? I'm using Etch and the manual refers me to sid packages instead |
| 08:17.32 | karsten | chemaja: very shiny black dependable overpriced bastards. |
| 08:17.38 | chemaja | karsten: yea :( |
| 08:17.42 | karsten | Qy: unstable. Etch == testing. |
| 08:18.01 | karsten | chemaja: They're pretty affordable used. |
| 08:18.11 | cydork | Qy: you can try this http://linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver at your own risk ofcource .. it's ugly hack.. |
| 08:18.14 | Qy | karsten, what should I append to my sources.list ? |
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| 08:18.42 | chemaja | karsten: i dont trust used laptops... how do you know if the HDD is still any good without fsck'ing a partition that occupies the whole space, etc.? |
| 08:19.38 | karsten | chemaja: most resellers will give a 30-day warranty. |
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| 08:19.45 | chemaja | karsten: ooh. |
| 08:19.49 | chemaja | karsten: i didn't know that :) |
| 08:19.58 | karsten | chemaja: Beat the shit out of 'em and take 'em back if they fail. And a new HD is relatively inexpensive. |
| 08:20.19 | chemaja | karsten: now all i need is a chipset that'll pump beryl nicely |
| 08:20.24 | karsten | Qy: lines for unstable. What are you trying to do? |
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| 08:20.33 | karsten | chemaja: beryl? |
| 08:20.37 | spikeb | compiz fork |
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| 08:20.53 | Qy | karsten, the Nvidia wiki of wiki.debian.org wants me to get the packages from sid, as they're removed from Etch |
| 08:21.00 | tsp | damnit, the installing base packages step of the woody installer is taking forever |
| 08:21.00 | karsten | Ah. |
| 08:21.15 | karsten | !tell Qy about pinning. |
| 08:21.17 | cydork | Qy: yep.. it's not in etch. |
| 08:21.32 | cydork | tsp: why are you installing woody? |
| 08:21.41 | karsten | Qy: You can set up both testing and unstable, and use pinning to set a preference for testing. |
| 08:21.56 | Qy | karsten, I know how pinning works, but I have no clue to add 'unstable' to my sources.list |
| 08:22.16 | tsp | cydork: 16mb ram laptop |
| 08:22.16 | Qy | karsten, nevermind, got it |
| 08:22.32 | tsp | get it up to 2.6, hang a speech synth off the serial port and I've got a terminal |
| 08:22.41 | spikeb | why not use something made for that, like damn small? |
| 08:23.00 | karsten | Qy: Copy your current 'testing' or 'etch' lines and substitute 'unstable' for 'testing' or 'etch' as appropriate. |
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| 08:23.26 | cydork | tsp: woot! you cant run any other installer for sure(like sarge or etch..)! |
| 08:23.28 | karsten | tsp: installer likes more memory. 16 MB is *very* minimal these days. |
| 08:23.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 08:23.38 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 08:24.23 | Qy | karsten, I've added the unstable lines, and updated, but still no nvidia-graphics-driver |
| 08:24.28 | tsp | I know |
| 08:24.28 | g333k | Hi, why I cant see well spanish characters in kde apps? |
| 08:24.50 | karsten | Qy: OK. Can't help you. |
| 08:24.51 | eeyore- | tsp: would it be helpful to borrow sodimm from another laptop just for the install? |
| 08:25.04 | Qy | 'night |
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| 08:26.30 | eeyore- | Qy: isn't it just nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-modules? |
| 08:26.48 | Qy | eeyore-, I can find nvidia-glx, but it depends on nvidia-kernel which cannot be found |
| 08:27.09 | tsp | there, got it |
| 08:27.14 | tsp | don't know if I can upgrade the ram |
| 08:27.19 | tsp | I can, but not sure where it is |
| 08:27.44 | eeyore- | Qy: there are lots of nvidia-kernel in sid, afaict. if you use custom kernel, you should compile it yourself |
| 08:27.44 | tsp | perfect, booting debian box... now dual boot with dos, and were rockin! |
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| 08:27.52 | viv`d | im having trouble opening some gui windows, getting "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server" errors...i can enable access with "xhost +", but i have to issue this command every time i log on....is there a way to permanently enable access? |
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| 08:28.47 | eeyore- | vivithemage: you're not telling us the whole story here |
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| 08:32.25 | Malagmyr | gah. what is it with debian and mplayer not being in the default repositories? |
| 08:32.39 | streuner | !mplayer |
| 08:32.39 | dpkg | i heard mplayer is in Debian (sid). But maybe you want to use vlc or xine instead? Feel free to also see <marillat>, <mplayer faq>, <w32codecs>. Or look at "http://www.debian-multimedia.org/". |
| 08:32.52 | Malagmyr | ah |
| 08:32.53 | Malagmyr | :) |
| 08:32.59 | Malagmyr | time for backports |
| 08:33.39 | cydork | Malagmyr: why backports? |
| 08:33.48 | streuner | !info mplayer |
| 08:33.55 | dpkg | mplayer: (The Movie Player), section graphics, is optional. Version: 1.0~rc1-3 (sid), Packaged size: 4196 kB, Installed size: 9564 kB |
| 08:34.19 | Malagmyr | I use sarge, not sid. |
| 08:34.39 | streuner | so visit the URL above |
| 08:34.40 | lunitik | Malagmyr, maybe debian-multimedia.org? |
| 08:35.02 | lunitik | Meh... my bad streuner, repeating what you've already pointed out to him :/ |
| 08:35.14 | streuner | no worries |
| 08:35.19 | Malagmyr | right. time to add some sources, then. |
| 08:35.21 | Malagmyr | thanks. |
| 08:36.08 | g333k | How to tell grub that all my linux systems will use a specific resolution at boot?(the same for all) |
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| 08:36.37 | lunitik | Malagmyr, MPlayer was considered very non-free for a long time... they worked with Debian and recently it was finally possible to get it into Sid (maybe in time for Etch release?) ... Sarge is like 2 years old though! |
| 08:36.43 | lunitik | !sarge |
| 08:36.43 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 08:37.12 | tsp | how do I go about upgrading just the kernel ffrom woody? is that possible? |
| 08:37.21 | tsp | I don't want to shove in 24 floppies again... |
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| 08:37.42 | cydork | tsp: why dont you dist-upgrade? |
| 08:38.04 | tsp | man.. can you imagine how long that will take? |
| 08:38.22 | lunitik | tsp, dial-up? |
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| 08:38.54 | tsp | no |
| 08:38.59 | tsp | but the laptop hd is making omonus clicks |
| 08:39.04 | tsp | so it might be dying |
| 08:39.10 | cydork | tsp: well it's woody i dont think there are any backports available too.. |
| 08:39.12 | tsp | hmm |
| 08:39.16 | lunitik | spikeb, its not so bad... devs use it, so it gets plenty of attention. |
| 08:39.28 | tsp | it works though |
| 08:39.29 | tsp | heh |
| 08:39.31 | spikeb | lunitik: i have too many friends that use it to ever want to use it myself :) |
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| 08:39.46 | lunitik | tsp, if you're on cable... shouldn't take more than 20 mins... depending on how much you have installed... |
| 08:40.17 | tsp | ah |
| 08:40.18 | lunitik | spikeb, I've used it for more than 4 years... dist-upgrade fairly regularly, and never have serious issues.... |
| 08:40.29 | spikeb | lunitik: congrats :) |
| 08:41.06 | spikeb | i normally use testing (or stable if it's just come out), but i might be changing that practice with etch, since most all the software is finally where i want it to be feature wise. |
| 08:41.23 | lunitik | (annoyances... like kopete depending glib... but never real ISSUES..) |
| 08:41.45 | Qy | !nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 08:42.00 | lunitik | I wouldn't use Sid for a server.... but for a desktop... its fine |
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| 08:42.40 | spikeb | it seems like debian's settling into or trying to settle into an 18-20 month release cycle..i like that. :) |
| 08:42.41 | lunitik | You see plenty of people here wanting things that are in Sid for Sarge servers though... so perhaps I'd think about it depending on needs... |
| 08:42.50 | tsp | apt: status |
| 08:42.59 | apt | Since Wed Nov 15 05:18:34 2006, there have been 52 modifications, 666 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 569 commands. I have been awake for 5d 3h 24m 16s this session, and currently reference 112029 factoids. I'm using about 19100 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 15872.78/1002.64 child 0.23/0.09 |
| 08:43.01 | tsp | whawt happened to apt? thought he was the bot? |
| 08:43.04 | lunitik | spikeb, indeed... its supposed to be 18 months. |
| 08:43.05 | tsp | oh he is |
| 08:43.11 | tsp | apt, esperanto? |
| 08:43.14 | apt | i heard esperanto is a common language, spoken by people all over the place... and it's the only spoken language that one guy sat down and made up. or "fortune -m 'USEFUL PHRASES IN ESPERANTO'" |
| 08:43.14 | spikeb | lunitik: i like that, even on my desktop. :) |
| 08:43.16 | cydork | lunitik: they crazy, that's the only reason. :) |
| 08:43.26 | cydork | s/they crazy/they are crazy/ |
| 08:44.15 | Qy | oh God.. debian and nvidia is terrible |
| 08:44.18 | lunitik | cydork, valid statement... there are likely genuine reasons though (ie, feature set changes...) that justify it... |
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| 08:44.30 | lunitik | Qy, why? |
| 08:44.42 | cydork | lunitik: and that's the reason that backports.org exists.. |
| 08:44.52 | g333k | !splash |
| 08:44.56 | g333k | !splash screen |
| 08:44.57 | dpkg | from memory, splash screen is Forget it. A few seconds glimpse of a pretty face isn't worth the heartache. It never is. |
| 08:44.58 | Qy | lunitik, I dont know |
| 08:45.14 | spikeb | haha |
| 08:45.17 | spikeb | how helpful |
| 08:45.19 | lunitik | Qy, you have an nvidia card? |
| 08:45.26 | Qy | lunitik, yeah I do |
| 08:45.29 | spikeb | hmm i've no issues with my nvidia setup |
| 08:45.38 | lunitik | Qy, and you had issues with it? |
| 08:45.51 | Qy | lunitik, every 3D application segfaults |
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| 08:46.23 | lunitik | Qy, should be a case of 'apt-get install nvidia-common module-assistant && m-a a-i nvidia-common' afaik |
| 08:46.42 | spikeb | son of a |
| 08:46.48 | lunitik | Qy, I have an ATI card... which is worse with support... but no such issues... |
| 08:46.49 | spikeb | i just used the nvidia installer heh |
| 08:47.01 | lunitik | spikeb, yeah... dumb idea |
| 08:47.02 | Qy | lunitik, the ATi card installation was easier, but not worth the pain |
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| 08:47.26 | spikeb | lunitik: yep |
| 08:47.33 | spikeb | lunitik: i wouldn't recommend it to others. |
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| 08:48.40 | lunitik | Qy, easier? It should be exactly the same thing.... they just better support 3D things, so you get better FPS from nvidia drivers |
| 08:48.54 | Qy | lunitik, yep |
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| 08:50.26 | lunitik | Qy, I have no experience personally... but I see no differences in nvidia methods and ati methods for driver install... both are easy with module-assistant... if you didn't use it though, ymmv ... any other method isn't supported anyways |
| 08:51.36 | lunitik | (seen plenty of people get assistance here setting up nvidia drivers the debian way) |
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| 08:53.33 | spikeb | are intel's graphics driver's completely free or supported fully by free drivers? |
| 08:53.42 | spikeb | pardon the wayward ' there. |
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| 08:54.02 | lunitik | spikeb, completely free... |
| 08:54.19 | spikeb | alright. i know what i'm doing for my next computer heh |
| 08:54.28 | lunitik | spikeb, intel released the drivers for them under an open source license |
| 08:54.55 | spikeb | yes, i had read that. |
| 08:56.05 | lunitik | spikeb, then why the question? |
| 08:56.31 | spikeb | lunitik: just making sure it was _completely_ open sourced. if they tried any tricks, the folks here would probably know about it. |
| 08:58.06 | lunitik | They have too many open source people to do something bad with it.... |
| 08:59.25 | |ryan| | bleh. |
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| 09:00.13 | gouki | morning all |
| 09:00.22 | lunitik | Even if its just releasing specs for things like the shared memory methods |
| 09:00.46 | lunitik | (for Xpress 200 series onboard graphics) |
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| 09:02.52 | spikeb | yeah i hope so too |
| 09:02.55 | spikeb | i have my doubts though |
| 09:04.51 | lunitik | They are saying they're looking into it... actually... looking into open sourcing entirely.... releasing specs should be possible if they're talking about open sourcing.... |
| 09:05.06 | lunitik | ATI doesn't even release specs though, thats kinda lame of them imo |
| 09:05.54 | lunitik | s/doesn't/didn't/ |
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| 09:06.05 | user__ | how does one set a background collor? |
| 09:06.19 | lunitik | Maybe they can figure out how to make the drivers not suck if they release the specs.... |
| 09:06.30 | spikeb | haha |
| 09:06.32 | spikeb | that'd be nice |
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| 09:09.57 | lunitik | Still beats the hell out of my SIS integrated graphics... but BARELY :/ |
| 09:11.38 | Eulex | sis 760? :) |
| 09:12.09 | cydork | someone smack me, i am tempted to buy a wii !! |
| 09:12.13 | lunitik | naw... 550 |
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| 09:12.23 | lunitik | or 650... I forget |
| 09:12.26 | NoZy | hi guys |
| 09:12.27 | Eulex | heh, ok |
| 09:12.36 | NoZy | just need to ask |
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| 09:13.02 | lunitik | Eulex, 760 at least supports DRI doesn't it? |
| 09:13.12 | JJ|Laptop | is there anything other than webmin that i can use to monitor my logs through the web? |
| 09:13.18 | NoZy | how do I find out what debian I have installed ( know in redhat base system you have a file for this ? ) |
| 09:13.19 | lunitik | Eulex, mine definitely never did... which is why I'm sure it wasn't that recent... |
| 09:13.26 | Shadur | Hmm. Wasn't there a command in vim to uppercase all letters on the current line? |
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| 09:14.37 | Eulex | lunitik, well... I don't think so, and the 760's are known to suck like a couple of black holes at the same time :) |
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| 09:15.17 | [Nige] | hi all |
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| 09:16.00 | lunitik | Eulex, Some SIS line does... I've seen it on DRI's site... most ATI's do too, but the the DRI folks don't have the previously stated shared memory specs... so can't get it via open source drivers.... |
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| 09:18.08 | MoDaX | jindal: iceweasel is in NEW |
| 09:18.11 | JJ|Laptop | so no ideas? |
| 09:18.30 | solars | how can I use stdin in a shellscript, to use the whole input with sed? read just reads lines.. |
| 09:18.38 | jindal | MoDaX: any news why its getting delayed in etch? |
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| 09:19.49 | MoDaX | jindal: delayed to etch? it is not in sid yet, but in NEW queue awating ftmaster processing (which, I guess, will happen soon) |
| 09:20.09 | jindal | MoDaX: oops sorry i meant sid :) |
| 09:20.45 | MoDaX | etch will release surely with iceweasel |
| 09:20.57 | MoDaX | will surely release* |
| 09:21.18 | JJ|Laptop | is there anything i can use to monitor my logs through a web interface on debian? |
| 09:21.40 | MoDaX | jindal: I guess the package just wasn't ready |
| 09:21.41 | streuner | Moda: that's a wild guess :-) |
| 09:21.48 | streuner | MoDaX: ^^^ |
| 09:22.24 | MoDaX | streuner: no. that's release priority |
| 09:22.39 | streuner | Do you really believe they invented the browser new? :-) |
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| 09:22.50 | JJ|Laptop | iceweasel=? |
| 09:23.01 | streuner | !iceweasel |
| 09:23.01 | dpkg | Due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla), see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 09:23.29 | streuner | !blairsmite iceweasel |
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| 09:24.27 | MoDaX | streuner: that's what I was saying, no? or did you mean gnu iceweasel? |
| 09:24.50 | lunitik | streuner, You don't like the idea behind IceWeasel (ie, Debian packagers actually making Firefox better...) |
| 09:25.21 | lunitik | streuner, there memory leak "feature" is the biggest reason I'm happy about it. |
| 09:25.28 | Xondr | http://axyris.jino-net.ru |
| 09:25.41 | spikeb | <3 iceweasel |
| 09:25.44 | streuner | no, i don't like the idea that someone think, give a app or distro new version numbers and ALL things are better :-) |
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| 09:26.00 | MoDaX | streuner: ff 2.0 is better :) |
| 09:26.06 | streuner | Xondr: don't spam us! |
| 09:26.11 | MoDaX | it's a new version |
| 09:26.24 | MoDaX | not name |
| 09:26.31 | streuner | all new modern browsers sucks, because they need to much RAM. |
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| 09:26.40 | lunitik | streuner, If they don't do things they've said they want to do... then its a big waste of time... but if they do follow through, its going to be a very good tihng. |
| 09:26.43 | lunitik | thing* |
| 09:26.54 | MoDaX | streuner: use links2 -g and be happy :) |
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| 09:27.15 | lunitik | MoDaX, links2 -g doesn't support java/flash |
| 09:27.21 | streuner | opera connects to too many serveral other sites |
| 09:27.28 | spikeb | when gnash can do youtube, i'm going to h ave a party. |
| 09:27.31 | streuner | the only one which was fine was galeon |
| 09:27.33 | lunitik | MoDaX, such things are required for modern browsing |
| 09:28.04 | lunitik | streuner, why talk about galeon in past tense? the project is dead? |
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| 09:28.23 | streuner | yep, AFAIK |
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| 09:28.38 | nomadsoul | hi guys |
| 09:28.40 | lunitik | I never really used it... but it was better than Epiphany :/ |
| 09:28.48 | nomadsoul | i have a question regarding the debian installer |
| 09:28.51 | MoDaX | lunitik: light RAM usage and java/flash are incompatible. |
| 09:28.57 | nomadsoul | anyone have some time to spend with me? |
| 09:28.59 | lunitik | I use Konqueror for most things... Firefox 32bit for plugin needs |
| 09:29.14 | streuner | !tell nomadsoul about ask |
| 09:29.23 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 09:29.32 | nomadsoul | ok sorry streuner |
| 09:29.33 | nomadsoul | :p |
| 09:30.05 | MoDaX | lunitik: me either |
| 09:30.14 | nomadsoul | i would like to know if it is possible to use the partitioning program that is on the debian-installer outside the debian installation |
| 09:30.15 | lunitik | I wish there was an easier way to go about Firefox 32bit though... but whatever, it works.... |
| 09:30.24 | nomadsoul | i found it very usefull to setup a raid1 |
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| 09:30.39 | nomadsoul | and now i have to add a new raid1 array |
| 09:30.44 | MoDaX | lunitik: there is nspluginwrapper |
| 09:30.45 | nomadsoul | and would like to re-use it |
| 09:30.49 | nomadsoul | is this possible? |
| 09:30.51 | lunitik | It'll be nice when they finally add multiarch support to dpkg (apparently after etch is released) |
| 09:31.16 | lunitik | MoDaX, I have no idea how to get Konqueror 32bit on an AMD64 install... |
| 09:31.22 | streuner | nomadsoul: software-RAID? sure |
| 09:31.25 | lunitik | (without compiling myself) |
| 09:31.44 | nomadsoul | streuner: how? |
| 09:31.50 | nomadsoul | :P |
| 09:31.52 | MoDaX | lunitik: nspluginwrapper allows 32bit plugins to work under 64bit browsers |
| 09:32.17 | lunitik | MoDaX, its not in the archive.... |
| 09:32.23 | MoDaX | I have not tested it myself, since there is no package available and I'm lazy |
| 09:32.30 | MoDaX | :) |
| 09:32.34 | lunitik | Hah... yeah, me too! |
| 09:32.34 | nomadsoul | streuner: or better, what program i have to install? |
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| 09:33.05 | lunitik | nomadsoul, set up LVM via the installer... the etch installer makes this easier.... |
| 09:33.17 | nomadsoul | lunitik: i don't need lvm |
| 09:33.19 | lunitik | (there is a guided LVM install) |
| 09:33.26 | lunitik | nomadsoul, LVM is software raid |
| 09:33.32 | nomadsoul | nope |
| 09:33.41 | nomadsoul | lvm is lvm |
| 09:33.47 | lunitik | Umm, yes... it basically is... |
| 09:34.11 | streuner | nomadsoul: x86 and etch, right? |
| 09:34.20 | nomadsoul | lvm let you do more than software raid |
| 09:34.26 | solars | can anyone tell me how to check in a shellscript if stdin contains "str"? read reads just one single line.. |
| 09:34.26 | nomadsoul | or less |
| 09:34.32 | nomadsoul | depend on the point of view :P |
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| 09:34.39 | lunitik | nomadsoul, the partitioner in the installer also lets you set up RAID ... I guess that would be software RAID also |
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| 09:34.50 | littleball | hello, how to get the domain name from a ip address? |
| 09:34.55 | war95 | LVM incurs a 30% performance loss as well |
| 09:34.58 | g333k | Hi, I dont hear well the sound my laptop, it sounds like retarded and noisy, any clue? |
| 09:35.01 | war95 | over regular md raid |
| 09:35.43 | streuner | nomadsoul: http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apbs04.html#preseed-partman-raid |
| 09:35.58 | nomadsoul | lunitik: is i already know this. and i have already used this to setup a raid1. I then installed the system on the raid1 array. Now i want to reuse it (after having installed it and without using the instalaltion cd) to create another raid1 array :P |
| 09:36.07 | nomadsoul | streuner: so the program is called partman? |
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| 09:37.35 | MoDaX | littleball: host <ip> or dig -x <ip> |
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| 09:38.09 | streuner | nomadsoul: just read the fine manual :-) |
| 09:39.18 | nomadsoul | thank you :P |
| 09:40.00 | nomadsoul | by the way i don't needed help on how to use $program_name to setup raid1, i needed only the program name. The problem is that my english i spoor and i cannot explain very well :P |
| 09:40.46 | streuner | nomadsoul: the URL is for d-i (etch) and x86 arch... |
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| 09:40.53 | streuner | !d-i nomadsoul |
| 09:40.53 | dpkg | nomadsoul, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 09:41.11 | nomadsoul | ok |
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| 09:42.05 | spikeb | i have a rather...silly question. is the gtk theme and color scheme used in the etch graphical installer available in the archives anywhere? |
| 09:42.34 | streuner | spikeb: uhm, you should ask #debian-boot about :-) |
| 09:42.46 | lunitik | spikeb, Aren't they using Raleigh ? |
| 09:42.48 | streuner | on OFTC |
| 09:43.01 | lunitik | (almost windows like...) |
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| 09:43.15 | spikeb | they seem to be using clearlooks, but with a pretty red color. |
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| 09:45.11 | lunitik | Why aren't Debian Gnome maintainers splitting up the gtk2-engines package? Lame that you have to install 10 themes for clearlooks :/ |
| 09:47.25 | nomadsoul | streuner: i've read it all... but i think on my system is different because i'm suing ubuntu |
| 09:47.36 | nomadsoul | streuner: i did apt-get install debian-instalelr |
| 09:47.45 | nomadsoul | and it told me that is already up-to-date |
| 09:47.51 | nomadsoul | but i cannot use it :P |
| 09:48.16 | MoDaX | jindal, spikeb: iceweasel is in incoming. grab it if you want :) |
| 09:48.25 | spikeb | MoDaX: woohoo |
| 09:48.33 | streuner | !ubuntusmite nomadsoul |
| 09:48.51 | nomadsoul | lol |
| 09:48.56 | jindal | MoDaX: thanx.. will.. between how many categories are there .. (never heard of incoming)? |
| 09:49.28 | MoDaX | jindal: incoming.debian.org |
| 09:49.30 | nomadsoul | streuner: by the way i haven't fully understood what the guide you passed me was talking about |
| 09:49.39 | jindal | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:49.39 | nomadsoul | i mean... they are editing config file |
| 09:50.03 | nomadsoul | i need to know if it is possible to run partman on an already running environment |
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| 09:50.17 | streuner | you are using ubuntu, just ask there |
| 09:50.20 | nomadsoul | without using livecd (beacause i do not have a cd nor a floppy :P) |
| 09:50.24 | lunitik | nomadsoul, you can run the entire installer from the local system |
| 09:50.34 | spikeb | ooh, iceweasel TWO |
| 09:50.34 | spikeb | nice. |
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| 09:50.45 | nomadsoul | lunitik: how? i have debian-installer installed |
| 09:50.51 | eobanb | is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt/ ? |
| 09:50.56 | lunitik | nomadsoul, umm... install it? |
| 09:51.01 | lunitik | uhh... run it* |
| 09:51.07 | streuner | eobanb: man apt-get |
| 09:51.11 | nomadsoul | debian-installer ? |
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| 09:51.37 | lunitik | nomadsoul, dpkg -L debian-installer | grep bin |
| 09:51.39 | spikeb | eobanb: just run apt-get clean |
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| 09:51.45 | inspired | how do I turn on colors in the console? |
| 09:52.14 | streuner | read BASH-HOWTO or PROMPT-HOWTO at tldp.org? |
| 09:52.19 | inspired | not even ls -la shows colors, but on a ssh connection to another server I get colors on ls -la |
| 09:53.07 | MoDaX | inspired: ls --color=auto |
| 09:53.16 | MoDaX | inspired: see contents of .bashrc |
| 09:53.16 | nomadsoul | lunitik: i have discovered one thing... the debian-instalelr package is only a documentation one :P |
| 09:53.21 | nomadsoul | stupid ubuntu... |
| 09:53.26 | inspired | MoDaX, nah, it doesn't give colors |
| 09:53.30 | inspired | MoDaX, already tried that |
| 09:53.40 | inspired | however, echo with a color code shows colors |
| 09:53.43 | inspired | so I really don't get it |
| 09:54.02 | litage | is it possible to send additional data down a connection setup using openssl's s_client? (Eg: s_client's connected to an FTP+SSL server, so i'd like to send FTP commands) |
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| 09:55.30 | spikeb | hey, it doesn't have a custom icon yet, bah |
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| 09:59.21 | Gemini` | hi all |
| 09:59.48 | Serii | hi |
| 10:01.21 | spikeb | this weasel is making me thirsty. |
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| 10:02.31 | Guerin | spikeb: have some ice |
| 10:02.47 | spikeb | haha |
| 10:04.30 | g333k | hello, how to load a daemon everytime I turn on my PC? |
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| 10:04.43 | tarzeau | g333k: /etc/init.d/autoexec.bat |
| 10:04.51 | tarzeau | g333k: or maybe in /etc/default/* |
| 10:04.55 | JJ|Laptop | so do i run the "debian local security checks" if i'm running nesus on a debian machine, or scanning a debian machine? |
| 10:04.56 | tarzeau | g333k: which daemon is it? |
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| 10:05.10 | g333k | tarzeau, the noip daemon |
| 10:05.19 | Xondr | http://axyris.jino-net.ru |
| 10:05.23 | g333k | tarzeau, no-ip.org |
| 10:05.26 | streuner | tarzeau: didn't you forget something? ;-) |
| 10:05.31 | chino | should i edit /etc/init.d/hwclock.sh or /etc/init.d/hwclockfirst.sh ?? |
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| 10:05.36 | tarzeau | streuner: yes the link |
| 10:06.32 | MoDaX | spikeb: I would say iceweasel is hot :) |
| 10:06.52 | JJ|Laptop | more like "cool" |
| 10:07.13 | jindal | MoDaX: but is a memory eater :( |
| 10:07.31 | streuner | so are all new browsers |
| 10:07.45 | g333k | tarzeau, so? |
| 10:08.00 | tarzeau | g333k: in /etc/rc2.d/ do ln -s ../init.d/autoexec.bat S99autoexec.bat |
| 10:08.04 | tarzeau | or use update-rc.d |
| 10:08.14 | MoDaX | jindal: hmm, it should be lighter then ff 1.5 |
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| 10:08.21 | MoDaX | than* |
| 10:08.26 | tarzeau | of course the thing in init.d needs be chmod +x |
| 10:08.37 | spikeb | it's certainly faster. |
| 10:08.46 | g333k | tarzeau, if I use update-rc.d how will it know what daemon do I want to add? |
| 10:09.07 | tarzeau | g333k: oh you'll have to edit autoexec.bat and make it do start whatever you want |
| 10:09.17 | tarzeau | g333k: there's some README in init.d |
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| 10:11.25 | chino | is ntp installed by defualt ? |
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| 10:11.54 | Xondr | http://axyris.jino-net.ru Download MP3! Fast, easily, legally! |
| 10:12.25 | streuner | !ops Xondr spaming us |
| 10:12.25 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: streuner complains about: Xondr spaming us |
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| 10:13.45 | Xondr | gg |
| 10:14.09 | streuner | chino: no |
| 10:14.18 | Xondr | ops sleeping? :) |
| 10:14.49 | Xondr | ok) |
| 10:14.50 | Xondr | http://axyris.jino-net.ru Download MP3! Fast, easily, legally! |
| 10:14.50 | streuner | no, they tend to sleep only if iam using !ops ;-) |
| 10:14.51 | Xondr | http://axyris.jino-net.ru Download MP3! Fast, easily, legally! |
| 10:15.01 | chino | /ignore Xondr |
| 10:15.04 | chino | wtf |
| 10:15.19 | chino | streuner: how do i set my system to utc ? |
| 10:15.39 | streuner | chino: /etc/default/rcS , IIRC |
| 10:16.03 | chino | i installed ntp is that bad ? |
| 10:16.45 | streuner | chino: look into /etc/default/rcS , so UTC=yes would be fine |
| 10:16.47 | streuner | nope |
| 10:17.04 | chino | yea but when i setup th esystem i had it set for a Denmark time |
| 10:17.22 | chino | /etc/localtime was not set to utc i changed the symbolic link |
| 10:17.29 | chino | and date command was showing utc |
| 10:17.37 | streuner | !set time |
| 10:17.38 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
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| 10:18.57 | chino | Copenhagen thats in denmark righ t? |
| 10:19.04 | streuner | sure |
| 10:19.09 | Malagmyr | Can tar be made to work somewhat like rsync? I want to update an archive, adding changed files AND deleting removed files. From the tar manual, it seems it will only add new files to the end of the archive when using the -update flag. |
| 10:19.12 | chino | why is tzconfig asking me this |
| 10:19.15 | chino | i wnat utc |
| 10:19.21 | g333k | tarzeau, the daemon I want to add is in /usr/share/local/bin |
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| 10:20.34 | chino | ok will this now save automatically ever time i reboot ? |
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| 10:21.02 | streuner | yes |
| 10:21.13 | chino | and ntp-server is installed so that will fix it if it messes up righ t? |
| 10:21.53 | Skiver | when there's connection. |
| 10:22.02 | chino | but of course ;] |
| 10:22.04 | chino | this is great |
| 10:24.08 | chino | can i ask date to print out the current time for another zone ? |
| 10:24.30 | azeem | TZ=foo date |
| 10:24.48 | chino | wtf is CET ? |
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| 10:25.03 | azeem | central european time |
| 10:25.04 | streuner | Central-European-Time? |
| 10:25.25 | chino | ok so its 1 hour differnce |
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| 10:26.16 | streuner | copenhagen should be CET |
| 10:27.13 | dondelelcaro | Malagmyr: otherwise tar has to read in the entire archive, and write out an entirely new archive. This is incompatible merely updating. |
| 10:27.23 | chino | in $PS1 \h means hostname right ? but the out put of hostname shows my fqdn why doesn't \h show that ? |
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| 10:27.51 | dondelelcaro | chino: the output of hostname should not show your FQDN. |
| 10:27.59 | dondelelcaro | chino: the output of hostname --fqdn should, but not hostname. |
| 10:28.07 | streuner | chino: Time zone Central European: UTC+1 which CET |
| 10:28.14 | streuner | chino: is* |
| 10:28.27 | chino | they both show the same |
| 10:28.30 | streuner | chino: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copenhagen |
| 10:28.38 | dondelelcaro | chino: well, then you need to fix that. |
| 10:28.42 | chino | whats wrong ? |
| 10:28.46 | dondelelcaro | chino: also \h is the hostname to the first . |
| 10:28.58 | chino | what if i want the whole thing ? |
| 10:29.03 | dondelelcaro | chino: you have the FQDN in /etc/hostname; you should only have the hostname there. |
| 10:29.21 | dondelelcaro | chino: then you want \H. |
| 10:29.27 | dondelelcaro | chino: man bash; and read about PROMPTING. |
| 10:29.37 | chino | well fqdn means the entire name right and the hostname is just up to the first . ? |
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| 10:29.47 | streuner | !fqdn |
| 10:29.48 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fqdn is Fully Qualified Domain Name, or the entire DNS identifier for a host, 'foo.example.org' |
| 10:30.49 | streuner | chino: read man hostname |
| 10:30.53 | chino | k i changed /etc/hostname to only have up to the first dot |
| 10:31.03 | chino | then i run /etc/init.d/hostname right |
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| 10:31.25 | streuner | no, no, no |
| 10:31.42 | streuner | hostname has nothing to do with FQDN |
| 10:31.47 | chino | what ? |
| 10:31.56 | chino | 05:28:26) dondelelcaro: chino: you have the FQDN in /etc/hostname; you should only have the hostname there. |
| 10:32.05 | streuner | you just give a hostname to the box |
| 10:32.17 | chino | just make it up ? |
| 10:32.24 | chino | i wanted it to be the same as my fqdn |
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| 10:32.31 | dondelelcaro | chino: it cannot be. |
| 10:32.41 | chino | ok "can" it be up to the first . then ? |
| 10:32.50 | dondelelcaro | chino: foo.example.org is the FQDN; foo is the hostname. |
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| 10:33.02 | chino | thats hwat im doing hes saying its wrong |
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| 10:33.19 | chino | hostname --fqdn => hostname: Unknown host |
| 10:33.26 | dondelelcaro | chino: you have foo in /etc/hostname, and call hostname -F /etc/hostname; and have <ip> foo.example.org in /etc/hosts. |
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| 10:34.27 | chino | hostname --fqdn is telling me unknown host |
| 10:34.40 | dondelelcaro | chino: that's because you do not have an entry for your host in /etc/hosts |
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| 10:34.52 | dondelelcaro | chino: you need <ip> foo.example.org foo; in /etc/hosts. |
| 10:34.54 | chino | in /etc/hosts i have my fqdn |
| 10:34.54 | douglas | yoyoyo blackberry irc client in the house representin' tiny-ass keyboards |
| 10:35.19 | chino | does it have to be on localhost ? |
| 10:35.23 | chino | im using my public ip |
| 10:35.34 | streuner | chino: show us your /etc/hosts in paster bot |
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| 10:35.43 | chino | what bot |
| 10:35.49 | streuner | !paste |
| 10:35.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 10:35.52 | user__ | how can I extract a file from cdrom to a certain path? |
| 10:35.53 | dondelelcaro | chino: no, it doesn't matter. Generally you'd use the public IP if it's got a static. |
| 10:36.01 | douglas | Dpkg |
| 10:36.02 | dondelelcaro | chino: if it doesn't have a static, use localhost. |
| 10:36.08 | chino | it has static |
| 10:36.09 | dondelelcaro | user__: depends on what the file is. |
| 10:36.35 | user__ | dondelelcaro, a tar.gz file that is located on a cd, that needs to be extraced to /path/my/home |
| 10:36.44 | chino | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4554 |
| 10:37.09 | dondelelcaro | user__: tar -C /path/my/home -zxf /path/to/foo.tar.gz |
| 10:37.14 | dondelelcaro | user__: man tar; and read about -C. |
| 10:38.10 | chino | streuner: ? |
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| 10:39.46 | rootneg2 | anybody know how to get lpr working with cup? and which package: lpr or lprng? |
| 10:39.56 | dondelelcaro | rootneg2: you don't; you want cupsys-bsd |
| 10:40.02 | Vich | is there someway to configure nautilus so it opens folders in the current window, instead of making new windows every time I click on a folder |
| 10:40.13 | streuner | chino: http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_scratch/chapter07/hosts.html |
| 10:40.15 | Vich | ? |
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| 10:40.52 | Skiver | Vich: maybe someone in #gnome knows. |
| 10:40.53 | douglas | !rap |
| 10:40.53 | dpkg | sittin' out on the street wit my homeys, sippin' on some beer wit cronies... baaaaam! |
| 10:41.08 | Vich | cheers |
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| 10:41.22 | chino | streuner: my server is directly on the internet |
| 10:41.23 | rootneg2 | ahh.... thanks don |
| 10:41.26 | user__ | dondelelcaro, and how can one rm -rf files on for example: I want to rm -rf /mnt/newpart/* but exclude files like /mnt/newpart/etc/fstab /mnt/newpart/boot/grub/ /mnt/newpart/etc/X11/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:41.32 | evad | .w 13 |
| 10:41.34 | evad | oops. |
| 10:41.37 | chemaja | does anyone elses epiphany multiple-topics-for-a-bookmark feature not work? ie. topics don't appear in the Bookmarks menu? |
| 10:41.38 | dondelelcaro | user__: use find with xargs. |
| 10:41.43 | chemaja | in Sid. |
| 10:41.54 | dondelelcaro | chemaja: have you checked the BTS? |
| 10:42.18 | chemaja | there was something in bugs.debian.... yea but i couldn't decypher if it was relevant to my case. i guess i should just file it and let root sort 'em out |
| 10:42.20 | user__ | dondelelcaro, could you give me a example? |
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| 10:42.54 | chino | it still says "Unknown Host" |
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| 10:42.59 | chemaja | forgetting BTS for a while, if anyone has had it, please msg me or whatever, i'm just curious. |
| 10:43.29 | dondelelcaro | user__: find . -type f -not -iname 'foo' -not -path 'bar' -print0|xargs rm -f; find . -depth -type d -print0 |xargs rmdir --ignore-fail-on-non-empty; |
| 10:43.34 | dserban | anyone know much about using mount bind to mount files in a chroot environment and why they'd be impossible to write to by root in that environment? |
| 10:43.37 | dserban | :s |
| 10:44.19 | dondelelcaro | dserban: was the bind mount done outside of the chroot? |
| 10:45.19 | chino | dondelelcaro: why would it say this now ? |
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| 10:46.41 | fransman | Do you want to beta test a radio broadcast server, please ping me? |
| 10:46.55 | fransman | you need to have compile knowledge and love to play your music like a DJ |
| 10:47.14 | streuner | chino: did you read man hosts ? |
| 10:47.31 | streuner | chino: read the examples again and compare it with your /etc/hosts |
| 10:47.43 | streuner | 192.168.1.10 foo.mydomain.org foo |
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| 10:47.53 | streuner | 209.237.226.90 www.opensource.org |
| 10:47.56 | chino | do i have to have the extra foo? |
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| 10:48.12 | streuner | that's the hostname |
| 10:48.16 | streuner | last entry |
| 10:48.21 | chino | so thats what relates it ? |
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| 10:49.37 | chino | this is what i hcanged it too http://channels.debian.net/paste/4555 |
| 10:49.38 | streuner | you have public IP - FQDN - (nothing) |
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| 10:50.30 | dserban | dondelelcaro: yes |
| 10:50.41 | streuner | chino: what does 'hostname' say? |
| 10:50.46 | dserban | that would probably be why huh? :s |
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| 10:50.53 | chino | forsaken |
| 10:50.59 | dserban | well it's the only way I can see it done though |
| 10:51.04 | dserban | hmmm |
| 10:51.13 | chino | hostname --fqdn => hostname: Unknown host |
| 10:51.37 | streuner | chino: what is this good for? 82.103.143.248 fai |
| 10:51.44 | dserban | unless I copy these files using schroot every time, but I run utilities inside it that modify the files... and I don't want to clobber them all the time |
| 10:52.01 | Malagmyr | what does this mean? "tar: Removing leading `/' from member names" |
| 10:52.07 | Malagmyr | and why is it taking ages? |
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| 10:52.17 | dserban | I can't use hard links because the chroot is on a different device (md1) ... so ... I don't know if there are any other valid options |
| 10:52.33 | user__ | dondelelcaro, I ghostimaged my debian image to from a ata to s-ata hard disc, now i modified /etc/fstab and /boot/grub/menu.lst. However when I invoke update-grub it changes back to sda1 instead of hda1 as root= on the appendline in menu.lst in /boot/grub/ |
| 10:52.47 | chino | streuner: its a debian repo on the network of my server provider |
| 10:53.06 | streuner | chino: just comment this line |
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| 10:53.51 | chino | what line ? |
| 10:54.00 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.05 | chino | i commented it it still didn't change anything |
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| 10:55.28 | MoDaX | user__: search for # kopt= line in /boot/grub/menu.lst and edit it |
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| 10:56.54 | streuner | chino: read man hosts again |
| 10:56.57 | user__ | MoDaX, what If i clone it back to a ata dis and invoke update grub in the future, how come it doesn't see it automaticly that it's changed from sda to hda? |
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| 10:57.09 | tarzeau | g333k: it doesn't matter where it is |
| 10:57.18 | tarzeau | g333k: and you can name the init.d script whatever you want |
| 10:58.47 | streuner | chino: as dondelelcaro already told you "192.168.1.13 bar.mydomain.org bar" for non-static IP, for static IP use "146.82.138.7 master.debian.org master", but your localhost entry doesn't look well to me |
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| 10:59.49 | streuner | chino: what does 'dpkg -l libc6' say, btw? |
| 11:00.08 | chino | 2.3.2.ds1-22sarg |
| 11:00.35 | chino | i just changed 127.0.0.1 to format the link you gave me |
| 11:01.39 | streuner | zerberus:/home/streuner# cat /etc/hosts | grep localhost |
| 11:01.47 | streuner | 127.0.0.1 localhost |
| 11:01.58 | streuner | and that's sarge/stable, odd |
| 11:02.14 | chino | what |
| 11:02.52 | streuner | iam asking myself how did you get this entry "127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost" |
| 11:03.10 | tarzeau | what's the plural of variation? variations? and of variant, variants? |
| 11:03.31 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: yes. |
| 11:03.36 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: is there some rule when to use variation and when variant? |
| 11:04.00 | dondelelcaro | a variation may be variant. |
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| 11:04.19 | chino | http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_scratch/chapter07/hosts.html |
| 11:04.24 | chino | you told me to read that |
| 11:04.31 | dondelelcaro | conversely, variants may be variations. |
| 11:04.34 | chino | i set it to what its set to now becaus eyou told me too |
| 11:04.50 | streuner | chino: oh, sorry |
| 11:05.05 | chino | isn't that proper anyway |
| 11:05.14 | chino | it wasn't working either when i had only localhost |
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| 11:06.21 | voraistos | Hello, i just installe,d debian stable, and i was wondering where can i find extra pacckages? (the adress of new repositories) |
| 11:06.31 | streuner | chino: what doesn't work? |
| 11:06.51 | voraistos | Xfree86, i need X.org to get a decent resolution |
| 11:06.53 | chino | hostname --fqdn => hostname: Unknown host |
| 11:06.54 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: usually substituting deviation and deviant clears it up in most people's minds. |
| 11:07.39 | chino | i change /etc/hostname back to my fqdn and now it works! |
| 11:07.43 | chino | so wtf is wrong ? |
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| 11:08.36 | dondelelcaro | chino: what is wrong is that your hostname isn't listed in /etc/hosts properly, and therefore doesn't resolve to an FQDN. |
| 11:09.02 | dondelelcaro | chino: where is your /etc/hosts pasted? what is your /etc/hostname? |
| 11:09.20 | streuner | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4555 |
| 11:09.25 | chino | here ill paste both |
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| 11:10.00 | dondelelcaro | chino: and your hostname is forsaken? |
| 11:10.05 | streuner | yes |
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| 11:10.35 | chino | http://pastie.caboo.se/23619 |
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| 11:11.15 | dondelelcaro | chino: and what does hostname; return? |
| 11:11.21 | matevz | I'm making a deb package of my own and I cannot seem to add a start menu icon for the program |
| 11:11.30 | matevz | using kubuntu edgy... |
| 11:11.38 | matevz | update-menus is missing |
| 11:11.39 | chino | dondelelcaro: hostname => forsaken |
| 11:11.41 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: ok thanks |
| 11:11.49 | dondelelcaro | matevz: #ubuntu; is the place to ask |
| 11:11.50 | streuner | matevz: #kubuntu |
| 11:11.53 | chino | dondelelcaro: hostname --fqdn => hostname: Unknown host |
| 11:11.57 | tarzeau | matevz: did you look at existing packages? |
| 11:12.04 | matevz | I know... but I can't get an answer... :( |
| 11:12.17 | tarzeau | matevz: i'm not sure how kubuntu changes the debian default menu system |
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| 11:12.21 | matevz | use Start menu -> right click -> properties -> add.... |
| 11:12.24 | dondelelcaro | chino: and what does ping $(hostname); do? |
| 11:12.29 | tarzeau | matevz: kde/gnome have some own root |
| 11:12.38 | tarzeau | matevz: at least in ubuntu and kubuntu |
| 11:12.44 | chino | unknown host forsaken |
| 11:12.51 | matevz | I added a program descripting to /usr/share/menu/programname |
| 11:13.04 | matevz | and a .desktop file to /usr/share/applications/programname.desktop |
| 11:13.09 | matevz | is this ok? |
| 11:13.15 | matevz | (should this work on Debian?) |
| 11:13.36 | dondelelcaro | chino: and what does grep hosts /etc/nsswitch.conf; return? |
| 11:13.38 | tarzeau | matevz: sounds good, yes |
| 11:13.43 | tarzeau | matevz: i've never seen/used the .desktop things |
| 11:13.52 | tarzeau | matevz: but the menu entry should work if the syntax is right |
| 11:14.01 | tarzeau | matevz: update-menus will tell |
| 11:14.06 | chino | hosts: files dns |
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| 11:14.14 | chino | looks fine to me |
| 11:14.26 | tarzeau | matevz: some window managers don't support icons, and the icon format chosen doesn't allow very beautiful icons |
| 11:15.10 | user__ | dondelelcaro, i have a busybox shell during the instalatin now I'm using kickstart to do some nice instalation things. I want to do the following, I want to detect what is the root file system(is it hda or sda) then put it(/dev/hda1 or /dev/sda1) which one of them is root in /boot/grub/menu.list(this can I do with sed). But how can I detect which one is the root fs? |
| 11:15.13 | matevz | yes... the problem is that update-menus command is missing under ubuntu (???!) |
| 11:15.24 | tarzeau | matevz: apt-get install menu |
| 11:15.32 | tarzeau | matevz: if it's still missing, it's not #debian releated |
| 11:15.34 | matevz | how does other packages solve this then? |
| 11:15.46 | tarzeau | matevz: in debian you can apt-get install menu and it works. |
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| 11:16.00 | matevz | it's not installed, ok - gonna try this |
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| 11:17.34 | dondelelcaro | chino: hrm... well, for some reason that name isn't being resolved. Those !! in the /etc/host are only an artifact of the paste site, right? |
| 11:17.38 | chino | my box is screwed right |
| 11:17.53 | chino | yes |
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| 11:18.02 | chino | i put it in to highlight |
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| 11:18.19 | dondelelcaro | btw, in the future, we don't need lines hilighted... |
| 11:18.40 | dondelelcaro | and ping forsaken; fails as well, right? |
| 11:18.46 | chino | yep |
| 11:18.53 | chino | ping localhost works fine |
| 11:19.28 | dondelelcaro | chino: are you using ldap or anything else? |
| 11:20.07 | matevz | ok, I installed menu now and run update-menus, but the application is still not there :? |
| 11:20.10 | chino | um i did have ldap setup on my last server and i dotn recal setting it up on this server but as we saw before it only resolving via files and dns |
| 11:20.26 | tarzeau | matevz: maybe restart your window manager? |
| 11:20.30 | chino | no i dont believe i have ldap setup |
| 11:20.47 | tarzeau | matevz: or check the syntax of the menu files |
| 11:21.07 | matevz | I don't know... KDE always worked straight away for menu stuff when installing other applications |
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| 11:21.28 | matevz | ?package(canorus):\ |
| 11:21.32 | matevz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | matevz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | matevz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | matevz | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | matevz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:22.13 | centrx | wb |
| 11:22.18 | matevz | back :) |
| 11:22.24 | dondelelcaro | chino: well, my next suggestion is to run strace ping forsaken; to verify that /etc/hosts is being read. |
| 11:22.40 | chino | oh cool whats strace i never heard of that |
| 11:22.49 | chino | ouch! |
| 11:23.11 | matevz | but if I look at Blender, it says "3d modeller application (Blender)" |
| 11:23.21 | matevz | where is this 3d modeller application written? |
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| 11:23.32 | matevz | .desktop file in /usr/share/applications? |
| 11:24.10 | dondelelcaro | matevz: yes, and it's read by update-menu to create the menu in Debian. |
| 11:24.13 | chino | whatever that output is i cant read it |
| 11:24.28 | dondelelcaro | chino: pipe it to a file, and put it up on a paste site. |
| 11:24.55 | chino | http://pastie.caboo.se/23620 |
| 11:25.43 | dondelelcaro | chino: it's only checking nscd, not the hostsfile. |
| 11:25.51 | chino | why ? |
| 11:27.02 | dondelelcaro | chino: because it's the caching daemon for those things; you need to restart it. |
| 11:27.10 | MoDaX | matevz: maybe rm -rf .local/ .config/ |
| 11:27.13 | chino | restart what ? |
| 11:27.26 | MoDaX | matevz: I meant rm -rf ~/.local/ ~/.config/ |
| 11:27.27 | chino | nscd ? |
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| 11:27.37 | dondelelcaro | chino: yes. |
| 11:27.43 | chino | bingo! |
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| 11:27.46 | chino | your the man! |
| 11:28.14 | chino | so strace actually watches the system calls ? |
| 11:28.19 | dondelelcaro | chino: yes |
| 11:28.25 | dserban | crap, in a chroot environment... using a different device than the root filesystem, the only way I can share the same /etc/passwd et al files is via mount -o bind /etc/filename... these are not writeable in the chroot due to obvious reasons that dondelelcaro has already pointed out... hard links don't work across devices... what can I do? |
| 11:28.27 | chino | awesome! |
| 11:28.30 | MoDaX | matevz: or rm -rf ~/.config/menus/ |
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| 11:29.14 | dondelelcaro | dserban: it's not that they're not writable in the chroot, it's that passwd creates a bak file which then moves it into the original locaiton. |
| 11:29.36 | dondelelcaro | dserban: this is incompatible with the current implementation of bind mounts, unfortunatly. |
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| 11:30.34 | dserban | oh! ... hrrm. |
| 11:31.20 | matevz | still not working... |
| 11:31.38 | dondelelcaro | matevz: your best bet is to file bugs and/or talk to real kubuntu developers, not us... |
| 11:31.40 | xingu | dondelelcaro: share as ldap maps? |
| 11:31.42 | MoDaX | matevz: run kbuildsycoca |
| 11:31.57 | matevz | any difference between debian/menu or debian/programname.menu |
| 11:32.11 | dondelelcaro | xingu: I've got a slightly different problem that I'm working around than that... |
| 11:32.15 | matevz | when should I use the 1st and when the 2nd option |
| 11:32.18 | dserban | dondelelcaro: heh... well I'm just tackin' the old brain trying to think of a solution ... |
| 11:32.26 | chino | besides /etc/bash.bashrc, /etc/profile, ~/.bashrc where would PS1 be set ? |
| 11:32.38 | dondelelcaro | dserban: for your situtation though, xingu's suggestion is probably the best... |
| 11:32.45 | dserban | I could just move the chroot to the root filesystem and call it done with hard links.. but that would be copping out. |
| 11:32.52 | dondelelcaro | dserban: you really only need a minimal set of accounts in the passwd; everything else should be shared with nis or similar. |
| 11:33.33 | dserban | Interesting... |
| 11:34.13 | matevz | kbuildsycoca - no difference.. |
| 11:34.51 | dondelelcaro | matevz: those just tell the helper program which installs the menu file into which package it should go. |
| 11:35.02 | dondelelcaro | matevz: it makes no difference for a simple single binary package. |
| 11:35.03 | dserban | Yes though overall ldap = hated by me (you hate what you don't fully understand) and nis is security hole riddled... so I created my own passwd file distribution thingy.... though I'm sure it's got some mega holes I haven't seen yet |
| 11:35.29 | dondelelcaro | you're really better off using NIS or LDAP than some custom built setup.. |
| 11:35.43 | dserban | I know :) |
| 11:35.52 | dondelelcaro | and NIS really isn't insecure; it's how Debian does all of it's logins. |
| 11:36.23 | xingu | dserban: if you peer into the bowels of nis you'll discover that you've about 1/8th reinvented it; the server part creates a bezerkely db of your nss maps, the client caches them, and both talk to each other over a socket designed to share them |
| 11:36.48 | xingu | dserban: unless you've been very careful, you will have also reinvented the classic failure modes of it |
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| 11:38.21 | dserban | :P to boil it down... it's a centrally controlled db, that once it's updated spits new passwd shadow group files out and then "pushes" them to the clients via ssh |
| 11:38.38 | dserban | to boil it down, I realize I re-invented the wheel |
| 11:38.46 | MoDaX | why not just bind mount /etc of the root fs to some some place on chroot and symlink chroot's /etc/passwd to it? |
| 11:38.52 | matevz | so.. in theory, the menu file should be in /usr/share/menu/canorus.menu, desktop file in /usr/share/applications/canorus.desktop and when I'd run update-menus, the icon should show in start menu Multimedia, if category is set to Apps/Sound? |
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| 11:39.04 | dserban | but from my old teachings and the constant "nis is insecure" repetition I always read I just discounted it |
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| 11:39.18 | xingu | MoDaX: I'm guessing that not all of the parent's /etc is wanted to be shared |
| 11:39.46 | dserban | xingu: I'll look into 'er, I just found a HOWTO and it's just as easy as I remember it, though all this stuff is passed around via a simple net socket no? |
| 11:39.48 | syrus__ | does anyone know how I can get python2.5 to install on etch? Apt keeps telling me: Linking and byte-compiling packages for runtime python2.5... |
| 11:39.50 | dserban | any encryption? |
| 11:39.51 | syrus__ | pycentral: pycentral rtinstall: installed runtime python2.5 not found |
| 11:39.53 | xingu | dserban: it is, vaguely, hence the suggestion to come into the 90's and use ldap |
| 11:39.54 | syrus__ | and then dying |
| 11:40.23 | xingu | dserban: yep; the weaknesses of nis relate to peer authentication and transport layer encryption |
| 11:40.50 | dserban | though ldap seems quite contrived to me (pardon my ignorance), like a jack-of-all-trades bs excuse to invent something new :) |
| 11:41.35 | MoDaX | xingu: I see. but then move all relevant files from /etc/ to subdir and symlink them both on root fs and chroot. a bit hackish though might work |
| 11:41.56 | matevz | can icon be .png or should it always be .xpm? |
| 11:42.01 | xingu | now you're thinking |
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| 11:43.20 | xingu | dserban: MoDaX has a point, how about /etc/lamenis/{passwd,shadow,group} on parent, bind mounted on chroot, and symlinks from /etc on both? |
| 11:43.46 | xingu | dserban: will passwd(1) feel too violated if you do that? nss would be happy I think |
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| 11:44.52 | honschu | I would like to watch google videos in firefox... what Do I have to install? |
| 11:44.59 | syrus__ | fixed it |
| 11:45.10 | MoDaX | honschu: flashplugin-nonfree |
| 11:45.31 | dserban | hrrm, I've totally missed what MoDaX had to say, lemme read up. |
| 11:46.11 | honschu | MoDaX: Thanks, ... do you think it's possible to download files by mplayer from google-videos or yahoo-musicvideos? |
| 11:46.23 | MoDaX | honschu: no idea |
| 11:46.58 | xingu | dserban: the reason I'd steer you down the path of directory services /anyway/ is that sure enough you'll one day want to move from chroot to virtual servers; if you do the DS work now, it becomes an enabler for that later. |
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| 11:47.25 | honschu | MoDax: LOL, the "New Music Video From David Hasselhoff" is very funny... lol |
| 11:48.30 | dserban | xingu: terribly afraid of virtualization ... after successfully learning/enabling UML, Xen scares me... so much more .. reading ;) (Now I'm being cocky)... |
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| 11:48.55 | dserban | but hey, good point, though running DB2 in a virtual 32 bit server on a 64 bit box sounds quite fun |
| 11:49.08 | xingu | dserban: :) keep an eye on the kvm project too. |
| 11:49.29 | dserban | xingu: never had the pleasure of hearing about it... googling now... |
| 11:50.17 | dserban | :o java?? |
| 11:50.44 | dserban | oh nevermind ;) |
| 11:51.04 | dserban | found the right kvm at the 12th result |
| 11:51.11 | xingu | dserban: hos(t)ed on sourgeforget, kvm.sf.n |
| 11:51.43 | xingu | dserban: if it ever goes anywhere, it seems to be the least noxious approach to date to me |
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| 11:53.54 | dserban | yes I admit it looks fairly straight forward |
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| 11:56.09 | xingu | dserban: I really like the layering in that project; opens up the idea that you might be running an emulated guest cpu. |
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| 11:57.15 | threat2 | jiriki: you love java? which part do you like? the overhead of the JVM? or the security flaws in it? :P |
| 11:57.17 | xingu | dserban: now all we need is for someone to turn it into a browser plugin for firefox and we're sorted |
| 11:57.49 | dserban | indeed! |
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| 12:08.55 | roger21 | hi |
| 12:10.21 | threat2 | hey |
| 12:10.26 | roger21 | how can i lunch X at startup with specific user privilege without using a display manager (xkdm/gdm) |
| 12:10.54 | xingu | mmm, lunch |
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| 12:11.05 | roger21 | :] |
| 12:11.07 | roger21 | lanch |
| 12:11.47 | roger21 | whatever |
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| 12:11.57 | roger21 | start |
| 12:12.13 | threat2 | roger21: create a boot script that runs as the last script |
| 12:12.29 | roger21 | yep |
| 12:12.34 | threat2 | roger21: in it put something like su $USERNAME -c startx & or something :) |
| 12:12.53 | threat2 | su $USERNAME -c startx > /dev/null 2>&1 & perhaps |
| 12:12.58 | roger21 | i would have liked it respawn automaticaly |
| 12:13.05 | threat2 | add it to inittab then |
| 12:13.32 | threat2 | man initab or howver it is spelt |
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| 12:17.42 | user__ | i did export APPEL=`cat rootfs` cat /boot/grub/menu.lst| sed '/root=/s/sda1/`echo $APPEL`/g' and I tried: cat /boot/grub/menu.lst| sed '/root=/s/sda1/$APPEL/g' but it just puts $APPEL in, instead of the input of the variable. |
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| 12:20.30 | xingu | user__: in both instances '...' bound the string as a literal |
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| 12:20.45 | xingu | user__: no variable expansion takes place inside a string literal, per term. |
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| 12:21.14 | FlopsyPete | Hi. Does it make sense for Windows' 'Print Operators' group to be mapped thru Samba to the 'lpadmin' group? (rather than making a group such as 'samba-print-operators') |
| 12:21.34 | user__ | xingu, ok so it's literal, but what can I do to make it work, or what solutions are there? |
| 12:22.47 | xingu | user__: I'm not sure what you're trying to do, but the question you have asked... sed '...literal part...'"${variant part}"'...literal part...' parses. |
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| 12:26.22 | roger21 | my script work fine but not in iniitab, i get a "respawning too fast" message |
| 12:26.35 | lunitik | FlopsyPete, lpadmin is used for all printer rights by default (even for cups etc) ... you can of course change this if you'd like... |
| 12:27.25 | lunitik | (Samba actually uses CUPS so yeah...) |
| 12:27.37 | dondelelcaro | roger21: you want su - someusers startx; or similar. |
| 12:27.48 | roger21 | yep |
| 12:27.49 | FlopsyPete | lunitik: this is why I'm asking if its useful that the Windows Print Operators group be a member of it, I'm surprised people don;t seem to recommend this as the default |
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| 12:28.06 | FlopsyPete | lunitik: thanks, I missed your 2nd line there |
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| 12:28.54 | lunitik | FlopsyPete, Windows Print Operators is a Windows thing? You'd have to manually add those users to lpadmin, Samba doesn't actually care about Windows... it just speaks SMB/CIFS |
| 12:29.53 | lunitik | (it also has support for being a domain manager.... and speaks LDAP, but this isn't directly due to speaking to Windows either) |
| 12:30.01 | FlopsyPete | lunitik: well, in Samba you map Windows groups thru to respective Unix groups, such as Windows' 'Domain Admins' to Unix' 'samba-domain-admins' |
| 12:30.01 | roger21 | oh ok i get it, the problem i get is : "user not authorized to run the X server, aborting" |
| 12:30.29 | roger21 | well er... i won't change rights on X |
| 12:30.39 | mick_home | besides amarok - is there another good audio player? i found out that it is a combnation between amarok and my sound card that makes audio crash :-( |
| 12:30.43 | lunitik | FlopsyPete, hmm... I've never seen that either... I've always thrown them into adm if necissary... |
| 12:30.44 | user__ | xingu, I tried the following: http://pastebin.ca/253156 |
| 12:30.57 | mick_home | vlc works flawlessly |
| 12:31.06 | FlopsyPete | lunitik: Its a Samba 3 thing, checkout the net groupmap modify / add command |
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| 12:31.45 | mick_home | but vlc for music is a... bleh :-/ |
| 12:32.26 | FlopsyPete | mick_home: what about Rhythmbox or Banshee? |
| 12:32.38 | lunitik | FlopsyPete, Thats prolly why... I just edit the respective config files... via screen, its so much faster (copy and paste amoungst other things...) |
| 12:32.52 | mick_home | FlopsyPete: i'll try those |
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| 12:33.18 | lunitik | mick_home, Banshee has the mono side effects... Rhythmbox is crap compared to Amarok |
| 12:33.30 | mick_home | :-/ |
| 12:33.35 | lunitik | (Banshee is crap compared to Amarok too) |
| 12:33.51 | FlopsyPete | lunitik: what are the mono side effects? |
| 12:33.53 | mick_home | i wish that amarok didn't have that autoconf version requirement |
| 12:33.57 | lunitik | Especially for large collections of music etc... |
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| 12:34.09 | mick_home | i have a large collection :-/ |
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| 12:34.41 | mick_home | i think i'm really going to need to update to sid |
| 12:34.54 | lunitik | mick_home, handles things via mysql/sqlite etc... much faster |
| 12:35.09 | xingu | user__: you probably mean: APPEL="`cat rootfs`" sed -e 's|root=/dev/sda1|'"${APPEL}"'|g' |
| 12:35.19 | xingu | user__: or even |
| 12:35.28 | lunitik | FlopsyPete, see recent Novell/Microsoft happenings |
| 12:35.30 | xingu | user__: you probably mean: APPEL="`cat rootfs`" sed -e 's|root=/dev/sda1|'"${APPEL}"'|g' </boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 12:35.46 | FlopsyPete | lunitik: ahh yeah, see what you mean |
| 12:36.35 | mick_home | lunitik: i doubt that this is a big deal - the /. horror stories are a bit... well dilusional at best (like the OOo story) |
| 12:36.52 | lunitik | FlopsyPete, Ballmer hasn't recently ensured folks that its a bad deal for the community... basically saying Linux infriges patents directly and clearly... which is a bad sign |
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| 12:37.09 | lunitik | has* |
| 12:37.31 | kpanic | hi, it is possible to enable on menu only packages that I want for a particular user? thanks |
| 12:37.32 | mick_home | with the patent system being so flawed - i can see how he can say that |
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| 12:37.38 | lunitik | (at the SQL show...) |
| 12:38.03 | gregj | The following packages have unmet dependencies: libssl-dev: Depends: libssl0.9.7 (= 0.9.7e-3sarge4) but 0.9.7g-1 is to be installed |
| 12:38.03 | kpanic | debian menus I mean |
| 12:38.03 | gregj | any ideas how can I get over that ? |
| 12:38.03 | gregj | I need to install libssl-dev |
| 12:38.03 | mick_home | they have a large patent portfolio of b.s. |
| 12:38.07 | streuner | gregj: what does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 12:38.08 | mick_home | there was one for clicking on things |
| 12:38.27 | lunitik | mick_home, originally, it was all about "possible" and "in case" ... nothing definitive... then Ballmer said directly that Microsoft believes it does... |
| 12:38.32 | mick_home | or google's patents... like the ads in rss |
| 12:38.44 | gregj | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.5-8.1 |
| 12:39.00 | streuner | What's that? :-) |
| 12:39.01 | mick_home | lunitik: i know, it isn't a surprise though |
| 12:39.11 | mick_home | and it has nothing to do w/ the Novell thing |
| 12:39.15 | streuner | gregj: what distro do you use? |
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| 12:39.26 | gregj | streuner: fsck knows,t o be honest, I got that server after some other admin who doesn't work here anymore |
| 12:39.27 | lunitik | Its bad for Novell for sure... because if that IS why the deal was made... its clearly a violation of GPL |
| 12:39.45 | gregj | testing/unstable, according to /etc/debian_version |
| 12:39.53 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:39.53 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:40.10 | streuner | gregj: show us your sources.list in paster bot (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 12:40.30 | mick_home | lunitik: i switched my last SuSE box over to Debian after that (I only had one that i was using as a desktop for a while to test it out) |
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| 12:40.56 | lunitik | Novell has spent 3 years trying to move its Netware users on to Linux... if they can no longer distribute GPL software, they'd be screwed basically |
| 12:41.10 | gregj | done |
| 12:41.13 | mick_home | yup |
| 12:41.22 | mick_home | they kind of screwed themselves /me thinks |
| 12:41.27 | streuner | gregj: we need the URL :-) |
| 12:41.49 | mick_home | kind of sad for SuSE - they have had some good stuff going in the past |
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| 12:42.06 | mick_home | and i like mono in general |
| 12:42.14 | xingu | streuner: just make one up :) |
| 12:42.16 | mick_home | though i don't see suse == mono ;) |
| 12:42.37 | mick_home | and i don't see them putting in patented stuffdeliberately later on |
| 12:42.54 | mick_home | that would be *really* dumb |
| 12:43.23 | mick_home | lunitik: no, it is general stuff for sure |
| 12:43.39 | mick_home | not like WINE, Mono, or SAMBA (the obvious ones) |
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| 12:43.55 | lunitik | I find it hard to believe Microsoft has patents etc on things like the kernel... most userland things... perhaps some Desktop things? |
| 12:44.04 | mick_home | it will be something like "shopping for songs online via a non-browser" |
| 12:44.11 | mick_home | or some b.s. like that |
| 12:44.18 | roger21 | (ok that was the default configuration of X11-common about launching rights ox X) |
| 12:44.21 | mick_home | mind you their patent portfolio is *huge* |
| 12:44.38 | lunitik | mick_home, not nearly as big as IBM's |
| 12:44.49 | mick_home | lunitik: and tht is what it will come down to |
| 12:44.51 | gregj | streuner: http://pastebin.com/828790 |
| 12:45.05 | mick_home | everyone will flash their patent portfolios and sue each other |
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| 12:45.15 | mick_home | just Novell won't be on IBM's side |
| 12:45.23 | Tuxguy | !dpkg cds |
| 12:45.33 | Tuxguy | hmm... what's the command to see what packages are on each cd |
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| 12:45.41 | lunitik | mick_home, Why won't they? IBM has plenty invested into SUSE |
| 12:46.06 | mick_home | with that partnership - they pretty much stay out of any fighting ;) |
| 12:46.08 | xingu | gregj, streuner: looks like woody+backports+"stuff" |
| 12:46.37 | lunitik | mick_home, that $50 million throw in when Novell acquired SUSE... IBM paid for the security tests that earned SUSE ability to be ran in governement facilities.... |
| 12:46.37 | gregj | yeah |
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| 12:46.47 | Tuxguy | What's the command to see what is on each cd? |
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| 12:47.18 | g00se | Surprised by 8.6.35 chroot in the manual. Isn't running MAKEDEV out of date? |
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| 12:48.09 | mick_home | lunitik: and someone may feel a little screwed ;) |
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| 12:48.21 | xingu | gregj: with a mongerel like that I'd call it quits and --get-selections/ --set-selections a new system; it'll cost you a week or so worth of pain to cutover all the custom config but the result will be entangled upon itself |
| 12:48.43 | xingu | err, less entangled |
| 12:49.05 | lunitik | mick_home, You think Novell did that deal without IBM being involved? IBM is involved in most everything to do with Linux.... |
| 12:49.20 | mick_home | lunitik: no idea |
| 12:49.30 | mick_home | i'd be interested to hear their views |
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| 12:50.04 | mick_home | it sounds like Microsoft wants to be the next SCO |
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| 12:50.13 | streuner | gregj: use TLD.debian.org etch in your souces.list and security.debian.org (/msg dpkg etch security) run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" |
| 12:50.14 | mick_home | they funded most of SCOs b.s. lawsuits |
| 12:50.23 | mick_home | they want to get a return on investment |
| 12:50.26 | streuner | gregj: or just reinstall. |
| 12:50.30 | mick_home | so they won't back out now |
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| 12:51.18 | mick_home | sad part about this stuff is that most is just dirty politics |
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| 12:51.48 | lunitik | I think its pure FUD to get more market share for SUSE over Red Hat... IBM already recommends SUSE to all its customers |
| 12:52.11 | mick_home | i see much of this back firing |
| 12:52.50 | mick_home | there will be 2 camps of people w/ opinions Business and F/OSS |
| 12:52.58 | lunitik | Oh, it'll get Novell more business... at least in the short term... |
| 12:53.02 | mick_home | the business will buy into FUD |
| 12:53.08 | xingu | you want to be careful when using words like "all" with groubs the size of IBM; no large cap is internally coherent |
| 12:53.18 | mick_home | and the FOSS guys just get really really pissed |
| 12:53.19 | lunitik | Corporate types will see Microsoft back SUSE and will think its the best choice |
| 12:53.33 | mick_home | right |
| 12:53.37 | sqrxz | hi, I have read my /var/mail/user, but even though I have opened the message and read it, I still get "You have mail" when I restart, why? how do I "mark as read?" |
| 12:54.00 | chemaja | mick_home, i wonder if it's a "good day" for BSD, then |
| 12:54.24 | chemaja | probably not, given they're pretty much only niche players |
| 12:54.39 | mick_home | chemaja: well w/ bruce [perens going off about "switch to debian" - it might be debian being the only real winner |
| 12:54.55 | streuner | xingu: someone installed a libc6 out of testing or unstable... |
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| 12:55.04 | Tuxguy | What provides 'nohup' ? |
| 12:55.05 | lunitik | chemaja, naw... Linux isn't going away... and it will continue to improve... too many folks have invested in making it what it is today |
| 12:55.17 | streuner | !tell Tuxguy about search |
| 12:55.27 | chemaja | mick_home, how is "switch to debian" going to save people from mono/samba, etc. |
| 12:55.34 | Tuxguy | I'm not using debian |
| 12:55.44 | chemaja | lunitik, yea. MS is on crack. |
| 12:55.44 | Tuxguy | I'm asking for my brother who can't connect to the internet right now... |
| 12:55.53 | mick_home | well freebsd has the ISP folks, and OpenBSD the security guys (NetBSD i will miss - but they will not stick around for long, since Linux runs on more archs than NetBSD) |
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| 12:56.09 | lunitik | chemaja, Microsoft just wants its peice of the pie |
| 12:56.19 | chemaja | lunitik, like kitty an cartman |
| 12:56.21 | mick_home | chemaja: "save people" from mono and samba? ok, this goes back into fud |
| 12:56.26 | streuner | Tuxguy: packages.debian.org would work too, read the fine factoid :-) |
| 12:56.33 | chemaja | mick_home, true. |
| 12:56.36 | lunitik | chemaja, they're just not prepared to actually do anything to get it... other than scare smaller players |
| 12:56.42 | streuner | knusper:/etc/init.d# dpkg -S /usr/bin/nohup |
| 12:56.42 | streuner | coreutils: /usr/bin/nohup |
| 12:56.53 | chemaja | mick_home, what with ECMA standards and "french cafe" reverse engineering and whatnot, i'd say we're safe. |
| 12:57.19 | streuner | Where is Guerin when you need him? |
| 12:57.28 | Tuxguy | streuner, ty |
| 12:57.49 | mick_home | i think that there aren't any laws broken w/ samba. this gets into compatability stuff w/ the DMCA |
| 12:57.51 | Tuxguy | streuner, packages.debian.org didn't show any results for nohup when I typed it in |
| 12:57.54 | mick_home | which is legal |
| 12:58.17 | mick_home | and it also has *nothing* to do w/ novell |
| 12:58.33 | xingu | it's also very little to do with #debian |
| 12:58.39 | streuner | Tuxguy: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=nohup&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 12:58.40 | mick_home | the only real player in samba that i can think of (who has put down money) is google |
| 12:58.51 | mick_home | they give $30,000/yr to them |
| 12:59.03 | chemaja | just as well people are starting to turn on Novell, they were pissing me off with their AppArmor bullshit |
| 12:59.04 | lunitik | mick_home, Novell hires the lead developer of Samba |
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| 12:59.23 | mick_home | hmm, news to me :) |
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| 12:59.33 | mick_home | i hope he does well and makes a lot of money there |
| 12:59.52 | Tuxguy | Oh it was already installed, maybe he doesnt have /usr/bin in his $PATH |
| 12:59.59 | FlopsyPete | If I set Windows' Print Operator group to map thru Samba to Unix group lpadmin, I'm supposed to set the gid to 550 to match Windows, would that have any side effect in Unix if the group ID for the lpadmin group changed? |
| 13:00.31 | lunitik | mick_home, Jeremy Allison... it was announced that they hired him |
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| 13:00.47 | mick_home | like i said, i hope he makes some good cash there ;) |
| 13:00.50 | streuner | Tuxguy: you have to be root |
| 13:00.57 | lunitik | mick_home, http://news.com.com/Novell+hires+top+Samba+programmer+from+HP/2100-7344_3-5687627.html |
| 13:01.00 | lunitik | For instance |
| 13:01.11 | mick_home | but again, i doubt anyone needs "saving" from anything |
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| 13:01.48 | Tuxguy | streuner, ty |
| 13:01.55 | lunitik | mick_home, I'm not terribly worries about it... like I said, I think its just FUD and stancing to get people away from Red Hat and onto SUSE/Novell |
| 13:02.02 | mick_home | eww, news.com - don't have a worse source than that? might as well come from the inquirer :-P |
| 13:02.04 | lunitik | worried* |
| 13:03.03 | mick_home | the editors @ news.com have to be some of the... ok i'll stop myself from ranting :) |
| 13:03.19 | lunitik | mick_home, I don't care... I just skip through the opinionated parts in most every article... |
| 13:03.30 | lunitik | mick_home, I just look for 'who what when where why' |
| 13:03.33 | xingu | until you find one that matches yours? :) |
| 13:03.45 | mick_home | they release a lot of b.s. ;) (the facts are what get screwed - not opinions) |
| 13:03.56 | streuner | Tuxguy: np, well, you don't need to be root... |
| 13:04.18 | lunitik | mick_home, you want more sources? that was just the first google hit :/ |
| 13:04.39 | mick_home | nono - it is just a horrible source for news - that is all - i can google it ;) |
| 13:04.41 | lunitik | mick_home, I also usually look for multiple sources if it may effect me... |
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| 13:07.44 | mick_home | http://news.com.com/Open-source+antivirus+tech+may+get+commercial+help/2100-1029_3-5992194.html <--- something that did affect me personally |
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| 13:07.44 | mick_home | a publicity stunt |
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| 13:08.18 | mick_home | i read the "original article" |
| 13:08.27 | mick_home | didn't looka thing like that |
| 13:08.39 | sqrxz | how do I get "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults" to do it permanently? now it is only set for the current login session |
| 13:09.08 | mick_home | was it .login or something? i forget |
| 13:09.32 | mick_home | you need to add it to something in the home dir (sorry that i'm not more useful) |
| 13:09.40 | mick_home | i forget what it was |
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| 13:09.48 | mick_home | .Xsession or something like that |
| 13:09.54 | sqrxz | ok |
| 13:09.55 | Ryushin | Is there anyway to pass a variable to a ssh command line string. I'm trying to execute a command on a remote server, and I'm passing a variable to the command string, but ssh is passing the variable name to the server and not the result of the variable. |
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| 13:09.56 | mick_home | someone else here will correct me :) |
| 13:10.14 | mick_home | sqrxz: good luck though |
| 13:10.24 | sqrxz | thanks ;) |
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| 13:12.47 | sqrxz | hmm, I wonder if I can get xsession to run firefox on workspace #3 |
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| 13:16.33 | ArtVandalae | Ryushin, what about passing the value of the variable for a file or something on the local system, then piping the contents of that file over SSH? |
| 13:16.40 | ArtVandalae | s/for/to |
| 13:16.40 | thegve_ | I got a problem with exim. I can resolve the mailserver's FQDN if I try to ping it. But if crontabs on the local server try to send mail to smtp.OURDOMAIN.nl it doesn't work. |
| 13:16.53 | thegve_ | If I telnet smtp.OURDOMAIN.nl 25 or localhost 25 it works |
| 13:17.42 | thegve_ | 2006-11-20 13:13:44 1Gm80K-0006uA-6X == root@smtp.OURDOMAIN.nl R=dnslookup T=remote_smtp defer (-53): retry time not reached for any host |
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| 13:18.09 | xingu | thegve_: do you get a different result if you mailto: root@ourdomain.NL ? |
| 13:18.49 | thegve_ | i'll try |
| 13:19.05 | thegve_ | but I guess this will work for some reason... |
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| 13:19.53 | thegve_ | It was delivered |
| 13:19.54 | matevz | how can I create a -deb package which installs a few fonts along? |
| 13:20.10 | xingu | thegve_: smtp uses mx records for routing, not A records; unless you have an mx record for smtp.ourdomain.NL in addition to ourdomain.NL there is no next-hop. |
| 13:20.24 | matevz | any dh_installfont rule available? |
| 13:20.24 | thegve_ | ok |
| 13:20.31 | petemc | xingu: if no mx exists, an A record will be used |
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| 13:21.12 | xingu | petemc: that's one interpretation; it seems thegve_'s mta doesn't share it |
| 13:21.25 | xingu | it's not an assumption I'd make |
| 13:21.26 | r3tex | is there an easy way to switch between graphics cards, like eselect in gentoo? I have an Intel and an Nvidia card, and I want to switch between them depending on performance/battery |
| 13:21.26 | thegve_ | But the thing causing the mails to root@smtp.eduwijs.nl was that I had a wrong cronjob. The mail body is "Command bladiebla not found". Just a system message. |
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| 13:21.38 | petemc | xingu: its there in black and white in the rfc, and exim will follow the rfc |
| 13:21.39 | vendora | How do I install gtkspell? I dont see it in the package lists |
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| 13:22.05 | petemc | thegve_: whats the domain name? |
| 13:22.17 | thegve_ | eduwijs.nl |
| 13:22.20 | thegve_ | and smtp.eduwijs.nl |
| 13:22.40 | petemc | should work fine |
| 13:22.40 | vendora | I need to install the gtk spell checking library |
| 13:23.15 | petemc | thegve_: host smtp.eduwijs.nl [80.112.194.217]: 421 Unexpected failure, please try later |
| 13:23.23 | DoppleGanger | vendora: what a coincidence so do I |
| 13:23.25 | xingu | be conservative in what you emit; there's other parts to this that will apply, like is "smpt.eduwijs.NL locally known as a valid mail domain name" |
| 13:23.38 | vendora | DoppleGanger: Have you had any luck? |
| 13:23.49 | DoppleGanger | vendora: yes i rtm |
| 13:24.05 | blondie | xingu: most DNS servers don't have spellcheckers, so probably not ;) |
| 13:24.09 | vendora | DoppleGanger: Where? |
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| 13:24.27 | DoppleGanger | man apt-cache |
| 13:24.29 | xingu | blondie: evidently neither does my keyboard. ;) |
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| 13:25.07 | thegve_ | petemc: Strange, i'll see the log |
| 13:25.37 | petemc | thegve_: the logs should have been the first thing you looked at |
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| 13:25.40 | vendora | DoppleGanger: I don't see anything there, |
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| 13:26.06 | thegve_ | petemc: The server is running |
| 13:26.14 | thegve_ | petemc: It is receiving and sending mail |
| 13:26.23 | petemc | thegve_: you use greylisting? |
| 13:26.26 | thegve_ | petemc: It does greylisting, ... |
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| 13:26.33 | thegve_ | petemc: I was about to tell you that.. |
| 13:26.52 | DoppleGanger | vendora: seriously try this as root |
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| 13:26.59 | DoppleGanger | apt-cache search gtkspell |
| 13:27.00 | petemc | thegve_: thats a pretty stupid 4xx message to give if its greylisting |
| 13:27.02 | xingu | thegve_: is smtp.eduwijs.NL locally configured as a valid domain? |
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| 13:27.14 | kud0s | Hi, Im having a problem with SSH in the sense that i want to keep applications running in User space after i close the SSH session and be able to reconnect to them. I have been told that if i proceed ./<appname> with a & the application won't close when i exit but is there a way that i can reconnect to the app? |
| 13:27.38 | petemc | kud0s: use screen |
| 13:27.41 | Nibbier | kud0s, use "screen" |
| 13:27.48 | kud0s | there isn't a screen |
| 13:27.55 | thegve_ | I am currently running the server on a few domains too test if it is ready for the big work. So past the state of test domains, some production domains... |
| 13:27.58 | Nibbier | is theer a command "screen"? |
| 13:28.06 | Nibbier | if not, install it |
| 13:28.11 | Nibbier | no monitor needed for that |
| 13:28.22 | sqrxz | has anyone got a link to a tutorial that guides you step by step how to install a new kernel? |
| 13:28.23 | petemc | thegve_: how long do you delay for? |
| 13:28.24 | kud0s | 1 sec ill read the man |
| 13:28.26 | sqrxz | for a NOOB |
| 13:28.34 | petemc | sqrxz: use a debian kernel image |
| 13:28.46 | thegve_ | xingu: What do you mean by "valid domain?". It is in the DNS and in the /etc/hosts... |
| 13:28.51 | vendora | DoppleGanger: I did, returned to prompt without showing anything |
| 13:28.56 | sqrxz | k, still don't know what to do with that |
| 13:29.00 | Nibbier | kud0s, screen is veryveryvery powerful, but what you might need is ctrl-a-d to detatch one, and screen -r to reattach it |
| 13:29.06 | sqrxz | need a GUIDE! |
| 13:29.08 | xingu | thegve_: are you explicitly accepting mail for that domain in your mailer's configuration |
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| 13:29.10 | petemc | sqrxz: www.google.com |
| 13:29.21 | thegve_ | petemc: 5 minutes. |
| 13:29.25 | Nibbier | sqrxz, its not recommended for noobs to install new kernels |
| 13:29.41 | blondie | I wouldn't say that |
| 13:29.46 | Nibbier | i would |
| 13:29.46 | blondie | apt-get install linux-image-blahj |
| 13:29.49 | Ronin | Nibbier: at least not compile one, installing athe debian way is pretty straight forward |
| 13:29.58 | Nibbier | ok, agree on that Ronin |
| 13:30.14 | blondie | Nibbier: well this being #debian... |
| 13:30.18 | DoppleGanger | vendora: permission to pm |
| 13:30.18 | sqrxz | apt-get is the debian way? |
| 13:30.24 | vendora | DoppleGanger: Yes |
| 13:30.30 | petemc | thegve_: ive waited 6 minutes, and i still get "Unexpected failure, please try later" |
| 13:30.32 | thegve_ | xingu: No, my idea was. "try to deliver", it will then fail by "recipient address unknown" or something. |
| 13:30.44 | thegve_ | xingu: That would be fine with me, but not filling up the mail spool. |
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| 13:31.34 | thegve_ | retryMin = 300 |
| 13:31.49 | sqrxz | this is how I do it? http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.en.html |
| 13:32.13 | x_link | Hi folx ! |
| 13:32.34 | petemc | thegve_: ill say it once more - "Unexpected failure, please try later" is a very strange message to give when greylisting - would you agree? |
| 13:32.43 | thegve_ | yes |
| 13:32.47 | petemc | so.. |
| 13:32.51 | thegve_ | and it shouldn't be |
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| 13:33.08 | thegve_ | Could you retry, I am tail -f'ing on another monitor... |
| 13:33.17 | kud0s | Ok, ive got the "screen" package and installed it can somone give me a quick rundown on how to use it? |
| 13:34.39 | Ronin | actually sqrxz if you scroll up you'll see that blondie said how to do it :) |
| 13:34.48 | petemc | kud0s: /msg dpkg screen |
| 13:34.51 | Ronin | ok ill say it kud0s man screen |
| 13:35.59 | sqrxz | apt-get install linux-image-blahj, so where do I configure stuff? like disable stuff the kernel should look for, add sound configuration etc? |
| 13:36.38 | kud0s | Ronin, i had a quick flick through that but from what i can see its still run underneith my ssh session i.e. will reset when i disconnect. Does it need to be run somwhere else? |
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| 13:37.10 | petemc | kud0s: it wont "reset" |
| 13:37.26 | petemc | 13:37 Irssi uptime: 88d 20h 57m 33s |
| 13:37.36 | petemc | i use irssi under screen |
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| 13:37.51 | bkhl | What's the command again to set up your own /etc/init.d scripts? |
| 13:38.05 | petemc | bkhl: /msg dpkg startup |
| 13:38.15 | xingu | bkhl: update-rc.d ? |
| 13:38.21 | thegve_ | petemc: I think something is wrong. I see a lot of errors in the log... But I see mail coming and being delivered too... |
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| 13:38.30 | napnap | hi all |
| 13:38.46 | bkhl | I seem to remember there's a script that automates that. |
| 13:38.51 | bkhl | But I guess it's simple enough. |
| 13:38.56 | thegve_ | maybe something with the greylistd unwilling to whitelist new servers |
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| 13:39.25 | petemc | thegve_: you shouldnt need to guess |
| 13:39.49 | napnap | I've no available space in my system partition, but when I try to erase a file , I've a segmentation default :-S, how can I do ? |
| 13:40.28 | petemc | napnap: as root? |
| 13:40.41 | napnap | petemc, yes as root |
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| 13:40.44 | petemc | oh dear |
| 13:41.02 | napnap | :-S |
| 13:41.04 | petemc | you could try a rescue cd, mount the partition, clear some space |
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| 13:41.41 | petemc | ive not heard of a full partition causing segfaults, thats not to say its not the cause.. |
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| 13:42.10 | sqrxz | Ronin: how do I configure the kernel before I apt-get install linux-image? |
| 13:42.46 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 13:42.46 | sqrxz | this shit isn't easy :/ |
| 13:42.47 | perlmonkey | I have just upgraded my system to testing, and somehow X has been buggered up and isnt recognising my pointing device. I have a usb mouse (optical) and my config for xorg.conf is showing /dev/input/mice and protocol ImPS/2, any ideas? |
| 13:42.47 | Ronin | sqrxz: if you dont want to do it teh debian way you have a ton of reading to do on compiling kernels |
| 13:42.47 | solars | how can I generate a mail text stream to pipe it to /usr/sbin/sendmail ? |
| 13:42.50 | sqrxz | what? |
| 13:43.07 | napnap | petemc, mmmh, yes a rescue cd is an answer, but I haven't the pc , it's a server, I use it by ssh |
| 13:43.13 | thegve_ | Ronin: "some reading", "a ton of" is so scaring... It is not rocket science |
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| 13:43.22 | sqrxz | Ronin: so with apt-get I can't configure anything? |
| 13:43.49 | Qy | sqrxz, no you cannot. dpkg-configure is designed to do so |
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| 13:44.14 | thegve_ | sqrxz: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/ch08s05.html.en |
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| 13:44.21 | sqrxz | I just need ONE tutorial that shows me how, the problem is when I search on how to compile a kernel I get 146748923 different ways, so how do you know which one to use? |
| 13:44.33 | Ronin | thegve_: i figured once they saw the reading they'd go oooohhh crap and change thier minds |
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| 13:45.11 | perlmonkey | I have just upgraded my system to testing, and somehow X has been buggered up and isnt recognising my pointing device. I have a usb mouse (optical) and my config for xorg.conf is showing /dev/input/mice and protocol ImPS/2, any ideas? |
| 13:45.35 | enouf | Ronin: hehe .. even reading the words "reading involved" should suffice |
| 13:45.49 | Ronin | enouf: heh |
| 13:45.56 | perlmonkey | is it possible to downgrade to stable? |
| 13:46.03 | Ronin | perlmonkey: nope |
| 13:46.08 | perlmonkey | im fucked then |
| 13:46.21 | blondie | why, just fix the mouse :P |
| 13:46.26 | enouf | !tell perlmonkey about usbmouse |
| 13:46.27 | Ronin | perlmonkey: no,you just have to fix the problem is all |
| 13:46.36 | cahoot | perlmonkey: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
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| 13:46.54 | perlmonkey | blondie: I have a host of other problems too, my cupsd is also down, and i seriously *hate* messing with that |
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| 13:47.25 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 13:47.33 | enouf | perlmonkey: did you do a apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade ?(exactly) |
| 13:47.42 | xingu | sqrxz: /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz |
| 13:47.47 | nxf | Hi, I tried forcing a fsck by running shutdown -F, but there is no sign of any checks in the kernel logs, is that normal? |
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| 13:48.11 | xingu | sqrxz: might be a good place to start for the debian packaging specific bits. |
| 13:48.14 | perlmonkey | I did apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, then changed stable to testing in sources list and did apt-get upgrade |
| 13:48.31 | sqrxz | okay |
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| 13:48.43 | xingu | hmm |
| 13:48.45 | enouf | nxf: 'touch /forcefsck' and reboot (shutdown -r now) .. if using ext2/3 |
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| 13:48.54 | perlmonkey | I didnt do dist-upgrade, maybe that's what screwed it up? |
| 13:48.59 | xingu | is there a hook in module assist for site-local patches? |
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| 13:49.15 | xingu | as in - in addition to the debian source ones. |
| 13:49.19 | nxf | enouf: shutdown -F touched the file, I checked it existed and was removed. Doesn't /forcefsck work with reiserfs? |
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| 13:50.04 | vin` | perlmonkey: you need to update after changing sources.list |
| 13:50.05 | perlmonkey | sorry, what is the command configure X again? Im stuck in BitchX here and cant scroll back |
| 13:50.13 | cahoot | perlmonkey: try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg |
| 13:50.18 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 13:50.24 | enouf | nxf: usually the logs are /var/log/fsck/checkroot if that location is writable. |
| 13:50.50 | blondie | dont' expect dpkg-reconfigure to work for X |
| 13:50.52 | Shinomura | I need help with my computer.I can't go to my virtual desktop, and my F1 terminal say Read-Only File System. I don't know use good a computers. Anybody can help me please? |
| 13:51.01 | enouf | nxf: not sure .. you'd def need reiserfsprogs atleast I'd suspect |
| 13:51.09 | thegve_ | petemc: http://pastebin.com/828819 |
| 13:51.16 | blondie | "I don't know use good a computers.".... should you be using Windows? |
| 13:51.17 | perlmonkey | there is an obsecure command I recall for configuring X? xserver-....? |
| 13:51.18 | vin` | blondie: why not? |
| 13:51.33 | perlmonkey | *obscure |
| 13:51.35 | blondie | vin`: whenever I've tried it recently it fails to update the config file. |
| 13:51.40 | thegve_ | petemc: Strange, it gives a normal message when I tried it from outside our network (from a customer's server..) |
| 13:51.57 | nxf | enouf: /var/log/fsck doesn't exist and is probably not writable at forcefsck time anyway. I've got the latest reiserfsprogs. |
| 13:52.08 | Shinomura | blondie: i can't use linux because i'm not expert with computers? |
| 13:52.18 | perlmonkey | bbs |
| 13:52.26 | petemc | thegve_: host smtp.eduwijs.nl [80.112.194.217]: 550 relay not permitted |
| 13:52.38 | cahoot | Shinomura: it won't be easy |
| 13:53.09 | Shinomura | anybody can help with my problem? |
| 13:53.09 | thegve_ | petemc: Are you trying to mail to mail@YOURdomain.whatever without authenticating? |
| 13:53.11 | cahoot | Shinomura: but - if you keep at it you can do it |
| 13:53.11 | blondie | Shinomura: debian is kinda demanding in that respect... though less so than gentoo |
| 13:53.20 | thegve_ | petemc: Cause you should get that message then :) |
| 13:53.27 | petemc | thegve_: of course not |
| 13:53.36 | xingu | ... which would nicely indicate that smtp.eduwijs.NL is not an accepted domain |
| 13:53.43 | Shinomura | i'm hear for irssi, but i can't into my desktop |
| 13:53.50 | xingu | but anyway, lets just ignore that and plow on. |
| 13:53.50 | thegve_ | ahhh, I understand.... |
| 13:54.00 | Ronin | Shinomura: why cant you? |
| 13:54.07 | enouf | nxf: my /var/log/boot (enabled in /etc/default/bootlogd) shows that message .. and that file (checkroot) and this exist--> Fri Nov 17 05:05:06 2006: A log is being saved in /var/log/fsck/checkfs if that location is writable. |
| 13:54.12 | Shinomura | my computer is read only file system, i don't know why |
| 13:54.25 | enouf | that location certainly is writable |
| 13:54.41 | enouf | nxf: but I'm using ext3 |
| 13:55.04 | thegve_ | Alright, I'll just at smtp.eduwijs.nl to my local domains and it should work. Thanks guys ! |
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| 13:56.27 | Shinomura | Ronin: can you help me? |
| 13:56.28 | xingu | enouf: is ext3 in fact writeable before the journal has been replayed? common sense says... probably no? |
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| 13:57.02 | enouf | xingu: dunno .. just going by what the system tells me :-P .. and I do in fact have logs in those locations |
| 13:57.08 | Ronin | Shinomura: not right now no i cant, however there are folks in who know a lot more then i do so idle, be patient, more information always helps though |
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| 13:58.11 | Shinomura | amm ok |
| 13:58.13 | Shinomura | thanks |
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| 13:58.51 | cahoot | Shinomura: if you run dmesg|more in a tty you might get some indication of what got wrong |
| 13:59.00 | nxf | enouf: trying to reboot with bootlogd enabled, can't hurt to have a try :) |
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| 13:59.23 | enouf | xingu: I use tune2fs to force a fsck on every 3rd boot .. so I've got a few logs .. IIRC .. the ro is so for the protection of initrd, or initramfs (and perhaps the kernel) during boot time |
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| 13:59.38 | enouf | nxf: :-) .. man reiserfs maybe too? |
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| 14:00.57 | cahoot | nxf: and a thorough backup |
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| 14:02.39 | nxf | cahoot: hehe, well there are obviously always good reasons for a backup, but right now I'm not expecting any disk failure, I'm just trying to rule that possibility out as reason for my frequent kernel crashes. |
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| 14:03.03 | cahoot | nxf: only that fiddling with reiser has made me weary |
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| 14:03.44 | xingu | nxf: do the reiser tools keep track of last check time in the superblock? tune2fs -l ${blkdev} for instance is the ext2/ext3 horse's mouth for last checked date |
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| 14:04.36 | xingu | nxf: might be simpler to forget the logs and just query that directly; also I don't know how /forcefsck semantically maps in the reiser world - perhaps it just does a log replay only? |
| 14:05.04 | rgsteele | !msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:05.08 | rgsteele | bah |
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| 14:07.45 | nxf | xingu: not sure, "reiserfstune" doesn't have the option to list superblock contents in its man. I will check the other reiserfsprogs man pages |
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| 14:09.15 | xingu | nxf: just out of academic interest, are we talking reiser3 or reiser4? |
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| 14:10.28 | nxf | xingu: 3 |
| 14:10.57 | xingu | nxf: cheers; bored, and smacking google about a bit... |
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| 14:11.06 | MegaByte | hey |
| 14:11.06 | bbelt16ag | hey |
| 14:11.08 | MegaByte | anyone here? |
| 14:11.25 | bbelt16ag | my games are slow on my new box 2.6 etch |
| 14:11.41 | bbelt16ag | how do i check if my X server is using the nivida card drivers? |
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| 14:11.57 | Coolguy | Anyonw know a FAQ for installing nvidia and the 3d drivers? |
| 14:11.58 | MegaByte | bbelt16ag: hey, can you do emulator programming? |
| 14:12.14 | evad | bbelt16ag: you can run nvidia-settings and it'll moan if it's not using the nvidia drivers |
| 14:12.37 | amphi | !tell Coolguy about nvidia one-liner |
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| 14:13.02 | bbelt16ag | nope |
| 14:13.05 | Coolguy | ty |
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| 14:13.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: now you can have the scrollbars on the right: http://www.flickr.com/photos/15136063@N00/300337908/ |
| 14:13.08 | bbelt16ag | MegaByte: nope |
| 14:13.22 | MegaByte | bbelt16ag: There's a nice emulator but abandoned |
| 14:13.23 | bbelt16ag | ok |
| 14:13.23 | MegaByte | Gens |
| 14:13.29 | MegaByte | I can't code anything serious |
| 14:13.41 | MegaByte | so I wish someone could adopt it |
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| 14:14.00 | bbelt16ag | eulator? |
| 14:14.02 | bbelt16ag | emulator? |
| 14:14.11 | abrotman | on the right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!???????????????/ |
| 14:14.12 | nxf | xingu: so what's the problem *confused |
| 14:14.13 | bbelt16ag | i though nivida gave linux the drivers for its card... |
| 14:14.22 | abrotman | they're binary only |
| 14:14.33 | bbelt16ag | well that works. i never had a problem playing quake before... |
| 14:14.35 | nxf | xingu: found the command "debugreiserfs /dev/hda2" to print superblock contents but there's no date. |
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| 14:15.13 | MegaByte | bbelt16ag: emulator |
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| 14:17.13 | xingu | nxf: google's serving up a few "reiser tools suck" pages. :) |
| 14:18.48 | xingu | nxf: it's also turning up things like... http://www.mail-archive.com/reiserfs-list@namesys.com/msg00252.html |
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| 14:22.29 | Hoxzer | AArgh |
| 14:23.09 | Hoxzer | inform me if intel(r) 82440MX usb controllers supports USB 2.0 or not :( google doesn't seem to help |
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| 14:23.50 | xingu | nxf: just out of interest - is the fs_passno (last) field in fstab 0? |
| 14:23.52 | vendora | !tell vendora about nvidia-oneline |
| 14:24.00 | vendora | !tell vendora about nvidia-oneliner |
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| 14:24.13 | vendora | !tell vendora about nvidia-oneline |
| 14:24.15 | vendora | damn |
| 14:24.18 | vendora | whats the syntax? |
| 14:24.22 | nxf | xingu: yes |
| 14:24.27 | xingu | nxf: try with 1 |
| 14:24.30 | amphi | Hoxzer: lsusb -v would show you |
| 14:24.37 | vin` | vendora: /msg dpkg msg the bot |
| 14:24.40 | xingu | nxf: ... repeat shutdown -F test case |
| 14:24.42 | Skiver | !nvidia |
| 14:24.42 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 14:24.43 | xingu | nxf: it's a long shot |
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| 14:25.44 | nxf | xingu: ok, well I will try |
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| 14:26.41 | bbelt16ag | !nivida installer |
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| 14:26.51 | perlmonkey | does anyone have any ideas why my usb mouse should stop working in X after an upgrade xorg? |
| 14:26.58 | nxf | xingu: would have choosen ext3 but it's a hosted server (preinstalled) don't have the time or knowledge to reformat it using ssh |
| 14:27.11 | xingu | nxf: I kinda grok'd that |
| 14:27.27 | xingu | nxf: :) people use fairly neutral language to describe the poo they're standing in |
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| 14:27.48 | perlmonkey | any suggestions on how to setup my mouse in xorg? |
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| 14:28.08 | moshii | perlmonkey: did you upgrade the kernel? |
| 14:28.14 | xingu | nxf: I also kinda grok'd that a "reiser sucks use ext3" response would be about as useful as a chocolate teapot |
| 14:28.15 | perlmonkey | moshii: yes |
| 14:28.29 | moshii | perlmonkey: 2.4.x series to 2.6.x series? |
| 14:28.38 | perlmonkey | moshii: 2.6.x series upgrade |
| 14:28.41 | cydork | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg 2.6 mouse |
| 14:28.46 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 14:28.58 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 14:29.07 | cydork | perlmonkey: hmm wait that is for psmouse.. |
| 14:29.15 | moshii | perlmonkey: so you went from a 2.6 kernel to a 2.6 yeah? |
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| 14:29.19 | cahoot | Hoxzer: google say usb v2 |
| 14:29.20 | cydork | perlmonkey: what device did you choose for mouse? |
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| 14:29.30 | Hoxzer | cahoot: ... |
| 14:29.37 | perlmonkey | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.51 | Hoxzer | cahoot: do you have a link? |
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| 14:30.36 | cydork | perlmonkey: /dev/input/mice or mouse? |
| 14:30.52 | cahoot | Hoxzer: sitting at work via screen - don't know how to paste. You are aware you need ehci_hcd for usb2? |
| 14:31.18 | perlmonkey | cydork: I think it was mice |
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| 14:32.01 | perlmonkey | h |
| 14:32.08 | perlmonkey | :h |
| 14:32.11 | perlmonkey | oops |
| 14:32.37 | perlmonkey | heh |
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| 14:32.49 | DogWater | Anyone know of a decent fiber channel controller that works well with debian? |
| 14:33.00 | nxf | xingu: did what you said. Now debugreiserfs tells me "Filesystem state: consistency is not checked after last mounting". It might talk about the r/w mounting though... |
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| 14:33.19 | perlmonkey | brb |
| 14:33.28 | mahognyy | hi, I made a ~/.xsession with the line "xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults", but when I startx it starts a little but then jumps out of X and back to console |
| 14:33.29 | vendora | How do you tell thebus id of your nvidia car using lspci? |
| 14:34.21 | cydork | vendora: by looking at it .. |
| 14:34.38 | vendora | cydork: 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV44A [GeForce 6200] (rev a1) |
| 14:34.51 | vendora | What would the bus id be there?/ |
| 14:35.08 | nxf | xingu: from /var/log/boot: "Checking root file system..." // "Reiserfs super block in block 16 on 0x302" //"Checking internal tree..finished" |
| 14:35.25 | moshii | vendora: you shouldn't need the bus id |
| 14:36.10 | vendora | moshii: It's asking me for it in the xserver configure.... |
| 14:36.18 | moshii | vendora: hit return |
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| 14:36.55 | moshii | vendora: you only need the bus if you have a complex(multicard) setup or on a weird arch |
| 14:37.29 | perlmonk | "perlmonkey".... plagia... :P |
| 14:37.39 | cydork | moshii: then it's PCI:1:0:0 |
| 14:37.44 | cydork | bah |
| 14:37.49 | cydork | vendora: ^^ |
| 14:39.31 | vendora | ty |
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| 14:44.21 | perlmonkey | phew |
| 14:44.50 | perlmonkey | I got X working with modprobe on psmouse,usbmouse and mousedev, but although the mouse is working there is no pointer showing! |
| 14:45.18 | perlmonkey | {sigh} why arent upgrades every straightforward |
| 14:45.21 | perlmonkey | *ever |
| 14:45.33 | Ronin | perlmonkey: they have been for me ;) |
| 14:45.58 | xingu | nxf: looks good |
| 14:46.00 | Hoxzer | Just verfying things: when I do "lspci -v | grep USB" I get following "000:00:07.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82440MX USB universal Host Controller (prog-if 00 [UCHI]) <-- does that mean I *dont* usb 2.0 support on computer? |
| 14:46.07 | perlmonkey | anyone got a solution for no mouse pointer? |
| 14:46.54 | nxf | xingu: it only took < 1 sec though. reiserfs looks more effective than I thought. |
| 14:46.58 | xingu | nxf: I think if you want to do anything other than that, you'll need a console and single user login; that's about as forced as its going to get I think |
| 14:47.06 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: tell X to use the appropriate device node |
| 14:47.14 | xingu | nxf: yeah, it's a minimal btree validate only I think. |
| 14:47.26 | cydork | perlmonkey: cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse :P |
| 14:47.33 | perlmonkey | o0GneaOo: I think it is else the mouse wouldnt be working |
| 14:47.39 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 14:47.40 | perlmonkey | brb |
| 14:47.42 | xingu | nxf: don't think it cross correlates the bitmaps with the btree, just verifies that the btree isn't damaged |
| 14:47.46 | oOGneaOo | heh. |
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| 14:48.21 | xingu | nxf: but this is all implied from various forums, not hard experience; I think "it's doing what it's going to" is ~true... |
| 14:48.42 | xingu | nxf: and I think that "deeper fsck will need single user and console" is ~likely |
| 14:48.52 | muh2000 | is there a linux equal to xmpeg (encoding videos....) ? |
| 14:48.59 | nxf | xingu: ok thanks. can I change the pass back to 0? |
| 14:49.02 | cydork | muh2000: mencoder |
| 14:49.03 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: ffmpeg |
| 14:49.18 | xingu | nxf: I'd say so unless you want to leave this behaviour enabled |
| 14:50.05 | muh2000 | thnx :) |
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| 14:51.41 | muh2000 | eeewww ffmpeg is cmd based ? |
| 14:52.05 | oOGneaOo | command-based is not a bad thing in linux. get it right. |
| 14:52.21 | cydork | muh2000: mencoder is cmdbased too :) |
| 14:52.32 | user__ | file stage4.tar.gz stage4.tar.gz: POSIX tar archive . So i inovke tar -C /mnt/cdrom/stage4.tar.gz -xvfz /mnt/ . This displays tar: z: Functie open() is mislukt: No such file or directory |
| 14:52.43 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: the most effective and powerful programs are command based |
| 14:53.07 | muh2000 | yeah i know that it isnt bad. but it is bad when you have to do graphical stuff.... every video is diffrent croping black areas is much better with selecting it that guessing... |
| 14:53.25 | muh2000 | than.. |
| 14:53.58 | xingu | user__: -C is set root to ${dir} which I doubt is what you're trying to do |
| 14:54.08 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: do you have any idea what it takes to write a gui for that? you could try kino or avidemux |
| 14:54.13 | muh2000 | and the cmds look like 5km long. to makere there a little change for a video...... -> :/ |
| 14:54.18 | ArtVandalae | yeah and developing (good) GUIs is sooooo much harder than everyone thinks |
| 14:54.22 | nxf | nxf: ok thanks a lot for the suggestions. unfortunately I have to do some "real work" yet today - will probably be back later and ask for help with kernel patching etc. *sigh*. have a nice day |
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| 14:54.36 | perlmonkey | sheesh. still no mouse pointer. |
| 14:54.45 | xingu | user__: perhaps you mean cd /mnt && tar xvzf /mnt/cdrom/stage4.tar.gz |
| 14:54.50 | nxf | xingu: (<- that was) ok thanks a lot for the suggestions. unfortunately I have to do some "real work" yet today - will probably be back later and ask for help with kernel patching etc. *sigh*. have a nice day |
| 14:54.54 | xingu | :) |
| 14:54.57 | abrotman | !mousedev |
| 14:54.57 | dpkg | This is the driver you most likely want to use. `echo "mousedev" >> /etc/modules && modprobe mousedev` .. Choose /dev/input/mice when you reconfigure X. |
| 14:54.58 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: why do you think that windows gui video programs cost so damn much? |
| 14:54.59 | nxf | bye everyone :) |
| 14:55.02 | abrotman | if you're using 2.6 |
| 14:55.05 | perlmonkey | sys reports i have no psmouse module. could that be the problem? |
| 14:55.22 | user__ | xingu, no. stage4 is located on cd(read only) and it needs to be extracted at /mnt |
| 14:55.33 | user__ | xingu, tar xvfz stage4.tar.gz |
| 14:55.33 | user__ | gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 14:55.46 | user__ | stage4.tar.gz: POSIX tar archive |
| 14:55.48 | xingu | leave off "z" then |
| 14:56.06 | muh2000 | oOGneaOo xmpeg is free, easy, and rocks :) but my vm ware on my server is somehow very slow (when i start to encode a move it is lik 0,00001 fps...) :( |
| 14:56.08 | oOGneaOo | user__: rename it |
| 14:56.39 | perlmonkey | exit |
| 14:56.48 | xingu | well, that too, but we're extracting, not playing footsy with misleadingly named files on ro media |
| 14:57.53 | muh2000 | damn kino cant handle IFO files and cant multi select :( |
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| 14:58.10 | user__ | oOGneaOo, why? |
| 14:58.27 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: now you're just complaining like a little bitch - xmpeg claims to be open source and yet, the only platform that's supported on is windows, because it's using adobe premier calls? Talk about lack of portability. |
| 14:58.38 | oOGneaOo | user__: so that it'll work |
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| 14:58.51 | oOGneaOo | mv stage4.tar.gz stage4.tar && tar xvf stage4.tar |
| 14:59.00 | user__ | oOGneaOo, that's bloated |
| 14:59.07 | user__ | oOGneaOo, that's why tar has -C |
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| 14:59.20 | oOGneaOo | user__: shut up |
| 14:59.33 | muh2000 | oOGneaOo filezilla server and client is open source too. a long time they were only available for windows too.... |
| 14:59.46 | muh2000 | adobe primier calls ? hmm so they riped code? |
| 14:59.55 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: who uses filezilla? |
| 15:00.28 | Vendora | I just installed the nvidia one-liner, and after rebooting, my screen is extremely dark and I can't read anything. |
| 15:00.36 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: i have no idea, i just read the webpage, i didn't actually look at the code - but based upon that, if they're telling the truth, then that'd be the reason, most likely |
| 15:01.01 | oOGneaOo | Vendora: try adjusting the brightness and contrast on your monitor |
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| 15:01.24 | Vendora | oOGneaOo, It's an LCD monitor, I did the auto adjust, and such and its still bad.. could it be the install or driver? |
| 15:01.33 | bbelt16ag | well now that i have totally fcked up xorg |
| 15:01.38 | bbelt16ag | i am gonna reinstall |
| 15:01.41 | oOGneaOo | Vendora: i have no idea |
| 15:01.45 | bbelt16ag | grrrr |
| 15:01.50 | enouf | bbelt16ag: no .. let us fix it :-P |
| 15:02.03 | Trewas | oOGneaOo: more likely reason for xmpeg being only for windows is that requirement later on the page: "VFW or DirectShow codecs (x264, DivX, XVID, ffdshow...)" |
| 15:02.07 | oOGneaOo | Vendora: what monitor is it? |
| 15:02.10 | adamt | bbelt16ag: Why not just remove xorg and it's configs, and reinstall xorg instaed of everything? :-) |
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| 15:02.21 | muh2000 | oOGneaOo filezilla nearly everyone now in the windows world. the client and server can competet with nearly every other product. and it is free. it is simple it workst etc... i was really happy to see a filezilla client fort for linux because every other client was and looked like crap.... |
| 15:02.23 | enouf | bbelt16ag: what's wrong? ... grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log and post to pastebin |
| 15:02.29 | Vendora | oOGneaOo, DCL LCD |
| 15:02.31 | oOGneaOo | Trewas: try looking at the codecs available on mplayer's webpage |
| 15:02.45 | Trewas | oOGneaOo: for linux there is nothing similar (well, gstreamer in some sense), so porting would be quite inconvenient, easier to rewrite |
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| 15:02.47 | oOGneaOo | Vendora: how many different models of DCL do you suppose there are? |
| 15:03.04 | Vendora | oOGneaOo, I'm not sure.. |
| 15:03.22 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: so looks matter to you more than functionality.. gotcha |
| 15:03.43 | Vendora | oOGneaOo, It's a dcl 9a+ |
| 15:04.01 | oOGneaOo | Trewas: uhm, there isn't? you haven't used kino or cinelerra then |
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| 15:04.18 | perlmonkey | still no mouse pointer. any ideas? |
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| 15:04.47 | muh2000 | oOGneaOo not true. but when functionality has tu suffer because of the look and the handling you know where you can find me. |
| 15:05.00 | cydork | perlmonkey: did you see anything when you did the cat? |
| 15:05.18 | user__ | xingu, got it it should be tar xvf foo.tar.gz -C /new/location :) |
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| 15:05.27 | oOGneaOo | muh2000: and when your project manager is having a fit because of a lack of functionality, you know where to find me. |
| 15:05.30 | perlmonkey | cydork: yes, as i said the mouse is working fine, but there is no mouse pointer visible, i.e. I can open windows and right click etc |
| 15:05.35 | sandman | libesd-alsa0 - Enlightened Sound Daemon (ALSA) - Shared libraries <== will this allow ESD to work through ALSA? I'm wishing to enable system sounds in metacity, while still being able to play music. |
| 15:05.36 | Vendora | oOGneaOo, any ideas? |
| 15:05.40 | sandman | Currently ESD seems to lock the sound system. |
| 15:05.42 | oOGneaOo | !any ideas |
| 15:05.42 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of string, a little WD-40, and a dozen starving kittens. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 15:06.17 | Vendora | oOGneaOo, Or how can I unapply the nvidia driver that I did the nvidia-oneliner? |
| 15:06.19 | cydork | perlmonkey: hmm that is weird, which protocol did you choose? |
| 15:06.31 | perlmonkey | cydork: I used ImPS/2 |
| 15:06.38 | cydork | perlmonkey: use ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:06.40 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: what kind of mouse is it? |
| 15:06.54 | perlmonkey | ah ok, its a logitech usb optical, 2 button with scroll wheel |
| 15:06.55 | muh2000 | oOGneaOo i dont get it but when software is cut or not complet it sucks. |
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| 15:07.12 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: i've got one of those - which device node are you trying to use? |
| 15:07.15 | Vendora | Anyone know how to unapply the nvidia-oneliner? |
| 15:07.24 | perlmonkey | I am using /dev/input/mice |
| 15:07.33 | cydork | !drxx Vendora |
| 15:07.34 | dpkg | Vendora: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 15:07.39 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: if you cat it and move the mouse around, do you get crap all over the terminal? |
| 15:07.45 | cydork | Vendora: just select nv this time. |
| 15:07.46 | perlmonkey | yes |
| 15:08.00 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: can you paste your X config to pastebin? |
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| 15:08.02 | oOGneaOo | !pastebin |
| 15:08.03 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php, or or pipe your output to curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 15:08.04 | cydork | perlmonkey: use the ExplorerPS/2 protocol and see what happenes. |
| 15:08.09 | Vendora | cydork, you mean on the xserver-config options? |
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| 15:08.24 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: that could be tricky as I am not in X |
| 15:08.38 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: as you can see, there's a way to do it without being in X :) |
| 15:08.44 | perlmonkey | ok I will try ExplorerPS/2 |
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| 15:08.57 | perlmonkey | brb |
| 15:08.58 | perlmonkey | exit |
| 15:09.04 | oOGneaOo | curl -i# -F 'code2=<-' -F poster=`whoami` -F paste=Send http://pastebin.com/pastebin.php | grep '^Loc' |
| 15:09.08 | cydork | Vendora: no i mean dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 15:09.09 | enouf | !tell Vendora about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 15:09.45 | Vendora | thanks |
| 15:10.01 | muh2000 | i guess i have to find the error about my vmware and why it isnt using any cpu power.... |
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| 15:11.42 | perlmonkey | still no mouse pointer. |
| 15:11.43 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 15:11.58 | enouf | perlmonkey: are you sure it actually works correctly ? .. not a hardwrae issue? |
| 15:12.17 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 15:12.17 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 15:12.17 | perlmonkey | enouf: works fine, has been working fine until I upgraded sys |
| 15:12.51 | enouf | perlmonkey: try modprobe logibm as root |
| 15:13.01 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:14.00 | enouf | wow .. modprobe made him do a reboot/signoff? .. wtf? |
| 15:14.12 | tarzeau | abrotman: for you http://www.ps3grill.com/ |
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| 15:15.12 | perlmonkey | enouf: Didn't find logitech busmouse at 0x23c. Error, no such device. |
| 15:15.53 | enouf | hrmm .. well it was worth a shot .. did you reboot or something? lsmod | grep logi |
| 15:16.04 | perlmonkey | ok |
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| 15:16.36 | enouf | hehe .. there he goes again .. wtf? |
| 15:16.55 | zinx | /dev/input/mice is ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:16.59 | zinx | no matter what the mouse is |
| 15:17.15 | ytoox | HI, I'm new and I tried debian but I found it to have very old packages. But I like its style at managing the pc. I would like to know if there |
| 15:17.33 | ytoox | a place or way to update debian packages to the latest ones |
| 15:17.34 | ytoox | ? |
| 15:18.08 | abrotman | tarzeau: thank you |
| 15:18.14 | zinx | ytoox: apt-get update && apt-get upgrade, or aptitude update && aptitude upgrade for etch/sid |
| 15:18.20 | cydork | ytoox: well there are backports. or you can switch to etch .. |
| 15:18.22 | rgsteele | ytoox: Depends on what version you're using. |
| 15:18.39 | enouf | zinx: not on mine :-) |
| 15:18.47 | zinx | enouf: Even on yours. |
| 15:18.48 | rgsteele | Sarge usually waits until packages are rock solid stable to bring them in. You can try Etch, or you can visit backports.org and dotdeb.org |
| 15:18.53 | enouf | wanna see? |
| 15:18.55 | ytoox | ok |
| 15:18.56 | tarzeau | cydork: or sid, and experimental |
| 15:19.05 | zinx | enouf: /dev/input/mice is always ExplorerPS/2 - that's what the kernel emulates, period ;) |
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| 15:19.14 | rgsteele | They've usually got some good backports. On the other hand, if you're familiar with package management, you can try backporting a package yourself |
| 15:19.15 | abrotman | rgsteele: uhm .. not quite the way it works |
| 15:19.18 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: still haven't seen the pasted output... |
| 15:19.25 | rgsteele | abrotman: Mmm? |
| 15:19.29 | perlmonkey | I can't paste output or change windows from shell |
| 15:19.32 | Vendora | what's the command for removing a package like xserver-xfree86 and reinstalling it? |
| 15:19.35 | abrotman | rgsteele: new packages don't go into Stable unless they are security updates or RC bug fixes |
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| 15:19.44 | zinx | enouf: ImPS/2 is semi-compatible, but you should use ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:19.50 | cydork | tarzeau: experimental is not full distro, other wise i would run that ;) |
| 15:19.50 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: alt-f2 or alt-f3 don't work? |
| 15:19.53 | abrotman | or rather .. RC-ish |
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| 15:20.00 | enouf | zinx: (a) ~$ grep Im /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:20.01 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:20.01 | perlmonkey | ok I will try |
| 15:20.09 | rgsteele | abrotman: Oh ok... thanks for informing me |
| 15:20.10 | zinx | enouf: switch it for ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:20.10 | ytoox | ok I get it |
| 15:20.21 | Vendora | what's the command for removing a package like xserver-xfree86 and reinstalling it? |
| 15:20.22 | enouf | zinx: (b) $ grep /dev/ /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 15:20.22 | enouf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:20.26 | ytoox | where can I get good backports lists |
| 15:20.27 | zinx | enouf: switch it for ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:20.30 | cydork | !remove x |
| 15:20.30 | dpkg | In sarge: apt-get --purge remove xfree86-common In sid/etch: apt-get --purge remove x11-common |
| 15:20.31 | abrotman | rgsteele: there are some exceptions .. like volatile.debian.net |
| 15:20.31 | ytoox | ? |
| 15:20.33 | cydork | Vendora: ^^ |
| 15:20.33 | oOGneaOo | !backports |
| 15:20.33 | dpkg | backports is, like, a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport>, or in .bashrc, alias apt-get='apt-get -t sarge-backports' |
| 15:20.36 | perlmonkey | exit |
| 15:20.39 | enouf | zinx: why .. it works fine? |
| 15:20.43 | arslanone | Hi. I have a question. |
| 15:20.50 | zinx | enouf: i don't think it will if you aquire a mouse with more buttons |
| 15:20.50 | rgsteele | abrotman: Yeah, for quick-moving targets like SpamAssassin and ClamAV |
| 15:20.55 | arslanone | a problem actually. |
| 15:20.56 | oOGneaOo | !ask |
| 15:20.56 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 15:21.05 | abrotman | rgsteele: admittedly .. i don't know how active volatile is |
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| 15:21.07 | zinx | enouf: and as I say, the device the kernel emulates is an ExplorerPS/2 |
| 15:21.11 | enouf | zinx: right .. agreed |
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| 15:21.24 | rgsteele | abrotman: Well, iirc SA is in volatile-sloppy |
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| 15:21.45 | arslanone | I have a problem with my 2.4 kernel. I'm getting "redundant entry in pci_table", |
| 15:21.58 | rgsteele | arslanone: Upgrade to a 2.6.x kernel |
| 15:22.12 | rgsteele | That'd be my first recommendation. |
| 15:22.15 | ytoox | thanks |
| 15:22.15 | arslanone | can I fix it in 2.4? |
| 15:22.17 | tarzeau | cydork: yep i know :) |
| 15:22.17 | ytoox | bye |
| 15:23.03 | oOGneaOo | arslanone: you're better off with a 2.6 kernel. |
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| 15:23.31 | rgsteele | arslanone: And, for what it's worth, get a later 2.6.x kernel...the earlier ones weren't the most stable beasts in the world. |
| 15:23.33 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: figured it out? |
| 15:23.35 | funkmaster | hey ppl, i have a question, i run a debian sarge machine, i have 8 harddrives connected to it, in order to have the content in the way i want it i do a lot of mount --bind, the machine keeps working for while but then freezes so i have to reboot, i have no idea why, could it have to do with the massive mount --binds or maybe something else? |
| 15:23.46 | arslanone | ok. i tried the 2.6.13 kernel from testing directory in the installation media..... |
| 15:23.47 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: no |
| 15:23.49 | arslanone | i see |
| 15:23.55 | rgsteele | funkmaster: Are they RAIDed? |
| 15:24.05 | moshii | funkmaster: I don't think the binding would cause that |
| 15:24.11 | oOGneaOo | funkmaster: why --bind? |
| 15:24.11 | arslanone | well the problem seems that APIC is configuring the IRQs and serial driver is also configuring them |
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| 15:24.27 | moshii | oOGneaOo: use multiple fses on the same mountpoint |
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| 15:24.45 | funkmaster | nope they are not raided |
| 15:24.55 | arslanone | anyway thanks rgsteele. |
| 15:25.04 | oOGneaOo | moshii: i understand what --bind is for, i'm just wondering what HIS logic is about |
| 15:25.06 | rgsteele | arslanone: Yep, no problem |
| 15:25.09 | funkmaster | well i mount the drives first and then i use mount -bind to put some folders in the one i want to |
| 15:25.11 | moshii | arslanone: disable the apic :) |
| 15:25.17 | perlmonkey | I'm beginning to think it might of been quicker to just reinstall my sys :-/ |
| 15:25.20 | moshii | oOGneaOo: fair enough |
| 15:25.32 | rgsteele | funkmaster: What do the logs say? |
| 15:25.39 | arslanone | but when i disable apic, i get very few spare IRQs |
| 15:25.42 | funkmaster | well syslog tells me this: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x01 |
| 15:25.55 | funkmaster | that's all |
| 15:25.56 | moshii | funkmaster: that's a dead drive |
| 15:25.58 | rgsteele | Sounds like a failing hard drive to me |
| 15:26.01 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: well, i'm trying to help you, but everytime i do, you get defensive and run off and the problems keep piling up |
| 15:26.05 | funkmaster | yeah i thought so too |
| 15:26.06 | bbelt16ag | ok its seriously not working at all peeps |
| 15:26.17 | bbelt16ag | when i installed mesa is fcked up my xorg |
| 15:26.18 | arslanone | now atleast i got a IRQ 22 for the modem, but stupid serial driver also tries to configure it and modem does'nt work. |
| 15:26.19 | bbelt16ag | config |
| 15:26.22 | funkmaster | so i tested around and e2fsck does not give any miostakes |
| 15:26.23 | moshii | funkmaster: hdparm -d0 /dev/hdX and get the data off quick |
| 15:26.28 | bbelt16ag | took out the nvida module |
| 15:26.30 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: I appreciate the help, but I dont think pasting xorg.conf will help matters |
| 15:26.31 | CrippsFX | okay ... I'm running kernel 2.6.17-2-486, I haven't updated recently, and my sound isn't working. In alsamixer I've turned up pcm out and master volume all the way, and I've tried running apps with sound, as well as doing "cat /dev/random >> /dev/dsp" and I can't hear a bleeding thing. anyone have any suggestions? |
| 15:26.36 | funkmaster | and it seems like the drive changes (which makes it fail).. |
| 15:27.02 | rgsteele | funkmaster: I thought e2fsck was destructive? |
| 15:27.03 | CrippsFX | dammit ... but xmms makes sound ... maybe its application specific. |
| 15:27.12 | moshii | funkmaster: the hardware of that drive is probably going, you're lucky if the fs hasn't got corrupted |
| 15:27.13 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: look, i've been using debian for a good decade now, i know how to troubleshoot and help users out. if you're unwilling to work with me on it, then you're just going to continue to suffer. |
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| 15:27.33 | perlmonkey | ok |
| 15:27.35 | rgsteele | funkmaster: In any event, I'm pretty sure your drive is on it's way to the electronics recycling plant |
| 15:27.38 | Zap-W | what's a mini howto , a short ver of a real Howot? |
| 15:27.51 | oOGneaOo | Zap-W: mini howtos are real |
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| 15:28.00 | abrotman | rgsteele: right .. but there are other items in there |
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| 15:28.04 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: what are wanting/expecting to see in xorg.conf? |
| 15:28.07 | user__ | how can I use kickstart not to enable dhcp? |
| 15:28.07 | funkmaster | hm okey i also get APIC error sometimes, could that have anything to with that? |
| 15:28.27 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: why don't you just go ahead and post it and i'll show you |
| 15:28.28 | rgsteele | funkmaster: Not sure. Maybe moshii can answer to that |
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| 15:28.34 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: I know my config for mouse by memory |
| 15:28.38 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: because it could be several things |
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| 15:28.53 | rgsteele | funkmaster: But, it wouldn't surprise me...; |
| 15:28.57 | perlmonkey | oOGneaOo: shoot |
| 15:29.01 | funkmaster | i checked the logs and what is also strange is that the drive which is mentiones in the logs as the last entry with teh dma timeout changes, once it is hdc then hdl then dhg... |
| 15:29.05 | infernix | funkmaster: what kind of hardware? can yo post your lspci? |
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| 15:29.26 | funkmaster | yes just a sec |
| 15:29.30 | infernix | !paste |
| 15:29.30 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 15:29.32 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: well, the mouse config for one... but there could be other things too... won't know till i see it |
| 15:29.34 | kml_ | hi, what dir/file are safe to delete in /var to make more room? |
| 15:29.42 | infernix | funkmaster: run 'update-pciids' first |
| 15:30.00 | funkmaster | ah oki |
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| 15:30.08 | infernix | funkmaster: and /var/log/dmesg would help as well |
| 15:30.13 | oOGneaOo | perlmonkey: and by pasting it here, other people will see it, and if i can't figure it out, then others can help out, if they feel like it |
| 15:30.16 | moshii | kml_: apt-get clean might help |
| 15:30.27 | rgsteele | So, if you're running an IMAP server, and you update the cert and restart the thing...is there any chance of corrupting the Index files for currently connected users? Or is that IMAP-server-specific? |
| 15:30.28 | kml_ | thanks |
| 15:30.30 | moshii | kml_: maybe you could remove some old logs |
| 15:30.35 | arslanone | rgsteele: I'm on slackware 10.2 now. if I want to try debian (which would my 1st time), should I wait for the Etch version, or should I get the Older verion? |
| 15:30.45 | funkmaster | ok here it is http://pastebin.ca/253247 |
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| 15:30.56 | perlmonkey | exit |
| 15:30.59 | rgsteele | arslanone: Etch is going to be released shortly, but it really depends on what the box is being used for |
| 15:31.00 | infernix | rgsteele: uhm, the IMAP cert is only for connections, not data. at least with courier. |
| 15:31.10 | CrippsFX | hm. weird. after I started up xmms and tried playing a song, all my other sound started working. |
| 15:31.10 | CrippsFX | thats just messed up. |
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| 15:31.37 | rgsteele | infernix: Yeah, I suppose you're right. I'm just trying to brainstorm any potential issues before I restart the IMAP server |
| 15:31.38 | infernix | funkmaster: sorry to break it to you but that HPT371 controller is shit |
| 15:31.45 | kml_ | apt-get clean really help! now i got 400mb of freespace back. |
| 15:31.48 | oOGneaOo | that guy is such an idiot. if he'd pasted the damn config, his mouse would probably be working by now. |
| 15:31.54 | arslanone | rgsteele: i need to set up a web server, for testing/development, and movies/XMMS/.... thats alll. |
| 15:32.06 | rgsteele | arslanone: I'd go with Etch for that |
| 15:32.08 | arslanone | and internet. |
| 15:32.13 | oOGneaOo | he must have a lot of child porn on his computer :) |
| 15:32.13 | arslanone | ok thanks. |
| 15:32.29 | funkmaster | infernix: so that's my problem? |
| 15:33.10 | rgsteele | funkmaster: That and your dying drive(s) :) |
| 15:33.13 | infernix | funkmaster: furthermore, the mainboards chipset is crappy as well. I have had problems with old via chipsets in the past, also with HPT controllers. so it might be the combination of both. |
| 15:33.30 | funkmaster | hm i c |
| 15:33.41 | funkmaster | ok then i guess i better backup data... |
| 15:33.44 | funkmaster | thx 4 the help |
| 15:34.12 | kml_ | what is the package for online ext3 lv resizing? |
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| 15:34.51 | oOGneaOo | kml_: "online"? |
| 15:36.02 | enouf | kml_: I think you need to mke2fs using the -O resize_fs (or similar) for that .. but using it on lvm? .. not sure |
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| 15:40.57 | arslanone | right now i'm using Knoppix, it detects my modem perfectly, no IRQ conflicts, and I learned that it is based on Debian. Thats how I got interested in Debian. |
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| 15:41.54 | the_mug | do any of you guys know of a set release date for etch? |
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| 15:42.06 | arslanone | although I wonder what does 14 cds contain.... |
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| 15:42.24 | infernix | !wwer |
| 15:42.25 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/11/msg00004.html |
| 15:42.58 | fasta | Is there a solution for single-signon on Debian? I.e. once give a password and have all the ssh programs get passwords filled in automatically? |
| 15:43.10 | fasta | (in conjunction with Gnome) |
| 15:44.07 | abrotman | LDAP |
| 15:44.11 | abrotman | oh .. no |
| 15:44.12 | rgsteele | fasta: Well, the solution depends on what you're implementing. I know that, for example, if you want to sync up LDAP and Samba, there is smbldap-tools |
| 15:44.14 | abrotman | use keys |
| 15:44.16 | oOGneaOo | arslanone: everything. |
| 15:44.19 | enouf | arslanone: 21 |
| 15:44.33 | enouf | for etch iirc |
| 15:44.35 | abrotman | !cd contents |
| 15:44.35 | dpkg | To find out what is on what cd, download the .jigdo template, and zless fooimage.jigdo. In the [Parts] section you will see the list of packages that are contained in the cd. searchable index of the cds: http://www.debian.org/CD/jigdo-cd/#search ; If that one is down, use this listing of sarge packages ordered by CD: http://haydn.debian.org/~ftlerror-guest/list.txt, or http://people.debian.org/~fenio/jigdo-search.php |
| 15:44.51 | fasta | rgsteele: I am not "implementing" anything, I just want to _use_ existing services accessible via ssh. |
| 15:44.51 | enouf | definitely 3 DVDs though |
| 15:45.24 | fasta | abrotman: you mean keys that do not require passwords? |
| 15:45.27 | rgsteele | fasta: Why not just use public-key authentication? |
| 15:45.30 | abrotman | fasta: right |
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| 15:45.47 | fasta | abrotman: Is there a procedure for removing a password from a private key? |
| 15:46.01 | abrotman | fasta: for ssh ? |
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| 15:46.05 | fasta | abrotman: yes |
| 15:46.18 | fasta | I would guess no |
| 15:46.22 | abrotman | fasta: you need to go to openssh.org and read how to do keys |
| 15:47.07 | the_mug | infernix: thanks. |
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| 15:47.56 | enouf | man ssh_keygen et al |
| 15:48.05 | enouf | fasta: ^^ |
| 15:48.24 | abrotman | !ssh keys |
| 15:48.24 | dpkg | i heard ssh keys is http://www.puddingonline.com/~dave/publications/SSH-with-Keys-HOWTO/ |
| 15:48.30 | rgsteele | I think it's ssh-keygen, no? |
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| 15:48.42 | abrotman | it is - not _ |
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| 15:50.43 | enouf | fasta: also see man ssh-copy-id for perhaps your first passwd issue you posted about .. ermm rgsteele maybe .. seems so |
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| 15:57.20 | GoAuLd | hi, is out there something better than User Mode Linux ? im interested in this think and surfing hours searching info about uml and how to implement it but unfortunaly iwasnt able to do it and worse it seems UML info is quite old, it seems its a think of the past ... |
| 15:57.42 | petemc | GoAuLd: xen |
| 15:57.59 | GoAuLd | xen is better? |
| 15:58.07 | petemc | i dont use uml |
| 15:58.10 | petemc | but xen works well |
| 15:59.39 | Daveman | :) |
| 15:59.50 | faljse | uml is nice for kernel development |
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| 16:01.10 | Jari | hi, when setting repository should I add ftp.debian.org/debian or are there more up-to-date options? |
| 16:02.28 | ofer1 | Jari, apt-setup |
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| 16:04.14 | Thor_CMP_ | use the official repositories... if you want a very updated ones, you can use the "unstable" |
| 16:04.15 | Jari | ofer1 thank you that is useful, but I noticed that even I have done this in the installation the eclipse's package is not available so could this mean the repository I have selected is outdated? |
| 16:04.45 | ofer1 | Jari, maybe. apt-cache search eclipse. use more than 1 repo. |
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| 16:05.19 | cydork | Jari: which version of debian are you running? |
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| 16:05.33 | Jari | ok, I run the setup now but it didnt allow me to choose unstable, perhaps that is something that must be set manually? |
| 16:05.35 | ofer1 | cydork, sarge, AFAIK |
| 16:05.41 | Jari | this is 3.1r1 |
| 16:05.45 | tux_ | For some reason, I am getting "no screens found" when typing X |
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| 16:06.15 | cydork | Jari: it's not there in sarge.. |
| 16:06.27 | Jari | kernel is 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 16:06.27 | tux_ | Also getting "EE no devices detected" |
| 16:06.32 | fasta | tux_: what graphics card? |
| 16:06.36 | Jari | is sarge not the latest then? |
| 16:06.41 | abrotman | tux_: look in the X log |
| 16:06.45 | abrotman | Jari: latest stable release .. yes |
| 16:06.46 | cydork | Jari: sarge is latest stable.. |
| 16:06.54 | Jari | ok |
| 16:07.03 | tux_ | abrotman, nvidia geforce 6200... i did an apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:07.29 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 16:07.29 | dpkg | it has been said that sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 16:07.41 | tux_ | Getting some no symbols errors |
| 16:07.41 | Jari | does the r1 in the end of the name mean release? how does r4 differ? |
| 16:08.04 | cydork | !3.1r3 |
| 16:08.04 | dpkg | Sarge 3.1r3 has been released as of Sept 1st: http://lists.debian.org/debian-announce/debian-announce-2006/msg00004.html, or if you are already running sarge and have a security line in sources.list you are already running 3.1r3, ask me about <security> |
| 16:08.08 | tux_ | abrotman, I had this working just a few minutes ago... but then i did a reinstall and now its not |
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| 16:08.30 | cydork | Jari: that's the latest one.. there is no r4 and i dont think there will be one .. |
| 16:08.34 | tux_ | "Fatal server error: no screens found" |
| 16:08.40 | Jari | I see, thanks |
| 16:08.46 | enouf | cydork: see /topic ? |
| 16:08.47 | cydork | Jari: etch should be released as stable in dec .. |
| 16:09.00 | abrotman | tux_: reinstall of what ? |
| 16:09.12 | tux_ | abrotman, xfree server |
| 16:09.16 | enouf | !love cydork |
| 16:09.26 | cydork | !gender |
| 16:09.26 | dpkg | I'm hermaphroditic |
| 16:09.29 | tux_ | abrotman, i did a removal of it.. then rreinstalled it, now i get no screens found |
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| 16:09.31 | abrotman | tux_: if you reinstall the X server .. you may have to reinstall the nvidia binary driver |
| 16:09.32 | cydork | bah.. |
| 16:09.32 | enouf | hehe |
| 16:10.07 | pablo_ | hi, which video card do you recommend for linux? |
| 16:10.08 | tux_ | abrotman, oh ok... how do i do that? i have no browser or anything..only text mode |
| 16:10.16 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 16:10.16 | Jari | the title reads 3.1r4 btw... |
| 16:10.16 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 16:11.03 | tux_ | abrotman, that is what i did the first time...and i got a really dark screen, very hard to read, and adjusting my monitor didnt help, so thats why i uninstalled x..then reinstalled it, becase my screen wasnt working |
| 16:11.13 | cydork | Jari: oh ya i forgot about that. actully there are no cd releases for r4 :P |
| 16:11.32 | cydork | Jari: so you can upgrade using r3. sorry for the confusion :) |
| 16:11.41 | Jari | okay, I suppose you download that |
| 16:11.43 | enouf | smacks cydork |
| 16:12.08 | enouf | waits for loving in return :-P |
| 16:12.13 | pablo_ | abrotman: but with open sorce drivers? |
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| 16:12.50 | tux_ | ah |
| 16:12.52 | tux_ | fuck off |
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| 16:13.03 | pablo_ | how do i see the actual fps? |
| 16:13.11 | enouf | man .. is it Sunday already? |
| 16:13.13 | Jari | it's alright :) thanks for all the help btw |
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| 16:13.33 | tarzeau | enouf: monday here |
| 16:13.37 | stew | cydork: there are cd releases for r4 |
| 16:13.37 | Jari | it's monday |
| 16:13.45 | g00se | Why does egrep -P ... always give me the error "grep: conflicting matchers specified"? |
| 16:13.59 | tarzeau | Jari: there's probably places where it's still sunday, or already tuesday |
| 16:14.00 | enouf | I know .. I know .. just usually the looney toons come out in full force on Sundays |
| 16:15.06 | Jari | true, tuesday but I suppose not sunday... hmm well its unimportant |
| 16:15.26 | abrotman | pablo_: no workie |
| 16:15.43 | pablo_ | abrotman: what? |
| 16:16.17 | abrotman | pablo_: the nv driver from XF86 won't work with that card |
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| 16:17.10 | pablo_ | abrotman: isnt ati better for open source? |
| 16:17.28 | abrotman | not really |
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| 16:17.44 | abrotman | and sadly Intel doesn't sell add-on cards |
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| 16:19.00 | pablo_ | abrotman: will this one work good? Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 |
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| 16:24.13 | Roey | hello |
| 16:24.14 | Roey | hey |
| 16:24.32 | Roey | Ray Noorda (ex-Novell CEO) died of Alzheimer's at age 82: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/100906-networking-visionary-former-novell-ceo.html |
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| 16:26.07 | abrotman | pablo_: in which version of debian ? |
| 16:26.25 | cydork | stew: oh then then 3.1r4 factoid is wrong :P |
| 16:27.21 | pablo_ | abrotman: testing |
| 16:27.46 | pablo_ | abrotman: actual etch future lenny |
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| 16:28.32 | Roey | abrotman: what comes after etch |
| 16:28.36 | perlmonkey | I fixed the problem of my mouse pointer not displaying, thanks for your help guys |
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| 16:30.56 | KoluCCi | Hi All! Is there some utilities to search at which port my COM modem is connected? I'm creating dial-in server, so I have to know that. |
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| 16:31.43 | cahoot | KoluCCi: setserial (IIRC) |
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| 16:32.56 | ools | I have disc 1 and disc2...and i want to install kdebase, do i use apt-get install kdebase? |
| 16:33.39 | KoluCCi | cahoot: setserial? you mean I should do apt-get install setserial? |
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| 16:34.00 | cahoot | KoluCCi: first: aptitude show setserial |
| 16:34.29 | ools | Anyone know how to install kde from the cds? |
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| 16:35.01 | cydork | ools: yes! you can do that but you have to add the cdroms first using apt-cdrom add |
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| 16:35.14 | Doat | i just downloaded the latest netinst ISO image, burned it and booted from it. The web page said that pppoeconf is included in the netinst ISO, but it just didn't seem to find it. How can i install via network with a pppoe connection? |
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| 16:35.31 | ools | cydork, i added both.. but when i dod apt-get install kde, i get errors about unmet dependencies |
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| 16:36.12 | ools | cydork, deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)]/ unstable main |
| 16:36.15 | ools | deb cdrom:[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-1 (20051220)]/ unstable contrib main |
| 16:36.54 | Scrambled | Hi there. |
| 16:37.30 | ools | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 16:37.30 | ools | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.30 | ools | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:37.31 | ools | E: Broken packages |
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| 16:37.38 | Scrambled | I'm having a problem on Etch with a second eth. Is note working beside the card is ok. |
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| 16:38.21 | ools | whoops |
| 16:38.29 | cydork | ools: use a pastebin next time |
| 16:38.33 | ools | anyhow, i ran the apt-setup and put both cds in when it said too, im not sure whats wrong... |
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| 16:38.45 | ools | i didnt mean to paste anything, sorry |
| 16:39.03 | KoluCCi | cahoot: ok - 10x |
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| 16:39.31 | Scrambled | Hi there. |
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| 16:40.07 | jabka | how can i know the type of os that i log into tru telnet |
| 16:40.21 | jabka | when i run uname it prints AIX |
| 16:40.23 | ools | cydork: I'm not sure.. I hve disc 1 and 2.. and I scanned them both in, what do you think could cause this? |
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| 16:40.38 | Ronin | ools: is that all you have in your sources.list? |
| 16:40.42 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I try "reportbug cupsys" I get : "debsums: can't open cupsys file /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/ipp (Permission denied)" and "debsums: can't open cupsys file /usr/lib/cups/backend-available/lpd (Permission denied)". How could I fix those problems ? (Note that I reportbug as non-root) |
| 16:40.50 | ools | want me to pastebin my sources.list? |
| 16:40.51 | cydork | ole: do you have anyother entries in sources.list? |
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| 16:41.00 | Ronin | ools: yes |
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| 16:42.40 | ools | http://rafb.net/paste/results/Gtpl0T51.html |
| 16:42.44 | ools | cydork |
| 16:43.31 | ools | http://rafb.net/paste/results/7zZJRx85.html |
| 16:43.35 | ools | thats better |
| 16:43.44 | PeterC | Hello! I was going to update my etch system with kernel 2.6.17 when I have an unmet dependency. 'nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8776' and 'nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7: Depends: nvidia-kernel-2.6.18-1-k7 but it is not going to be installed'. Could I fix this problem in an easy way? |
| 16:44.00 | Ronin | ools: comment out the cdrom sources and uncomment security and the ftp.us.debian lines |
| 16:44.16 | cydork | ools: why do you have unstable there? |
| 16:44.17 | Ronin | or just run apt-setup :) |
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| 16:44.28 | cydork | Ronin: he wants to install from cds only. |
| 16:44.29 | Ronin | ack, so he does missed that |
| 16:44.31 | xingu | hmm, time to play with uswsusp |
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| 16:44.31 | ools | cydork: im not sure |
| 16:44.38 | xingu | lets hope this thing doesn't completely explode |
| 16:44.42 | ools | Ronin: , i want to install from cds, not internet |
| 16:45.00 | Ronin | ools: why not from the net? slow connection? |
| 16:45.10 | cydork | ools: replace unstable with sarge. |
| 16:45.20 | ools | Ronin: , yes, very slow.. plus i already downloaded all of the cds |
| 16:45.27 | Ronin | ools: makes sense |
| 16:46.02 | ools | ok, id id that, now what should i do? |
| 16:46.37 | cydork | ools: run apt-get update |
| 16:46.55 | ools | You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 16:47.13 | xingu | bloody hell, that *is* impressive |
| 16:47.17 | ools | Basically a bunch of "No such file or directory" and some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones sed isntead |
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| 16:47.46 | xingu | didn't even drop my ipsec |
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| 16:48.16 | ools | W: Couldn't stat source package list cdrom://[Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r1 _Sarge_ - Official i386 Binary-2 (20051220)] sarge/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/Debian%20GNU_Linux%203.1%20r1%20%5fSarge%5f%20-%20Official%20i386%20Binary-2%20(20051220)_dists_sarge_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 16:48.17 | xingu | rhythmbox still going strong too |
| 16:49.27 | ools | damn :( |
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| 16:52.00 | ools | Anyonw know what I should do? |
| 16:52.15 | cydork | ools: that happened when you did apt-get update? |
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| 16:52.30 | ools | cydork: yes |
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| 16:52.45 | _Scrambled | Hi guys |
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| 16:53.43 | perlmonkey | Hi, does anyone use CUPS here under Gnome? I'm having tons of problems with it since upgrading to testing. my printer no longer prints, and when I use Gnome CUPS manager to try and adjust the settings it just keeps freezing and locking up |
| 16:54.01 | _Scrambled | I would like some help to find out why my secondary network card stopped working on etch after an upgrade. I think have something to do with initramfs but don´t know what. |
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| 16:54.41 | ools | cydork: ,yes that happens everytime :( |
| 16:54.45 | perlmonkey | I also get lots of applications no longer working when I start them nothing happens |
| 16:55.02 | perlmonkey | any ideas what could be causing these problems? |
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| 16:55.30 | cydork | ools: bah.. remove all entries in sources.list , run apt-get update, then run apt-cdrom to add the cdroms. :P |
| 16:55.49 | lord_rob | PeterC: Are you using aptitude ? |
| 16:56.05 | abrotman | Roey: lenny |
| 16:56.22 | perlmonkey | does anyone know the name of the cupsd package now in testing? seems to have changed/gone |
| 16:56.22 | PeterC | lord_rob: No, synaptic |
| 16:57.14 | ools | cydork, damn.. idid that.. but now i get kde-core and kde-amusements need to be installed :( |
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| 16:57.34 | lord_rob | I don't know synaptic, but aptitude can resolve dependacies problems like this one in an easy way |
| 16:57.36 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 16:57.53 | ools | cydork, when i do apt-get install kde .. i bet that is not on disc 1 or disc 2 |
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| 16:58.25 | PeterC | lord_rob: Synaptic usually does that too, but not this time it seems. |
| 16:58.32 | lord_rob | What's your running kernel version ? 2.6.18 ? |
| 16:58.59 | PeterC | lord_rob: Linux htpc 2.6.16-2-k7 #1 Fri Aug 18 19:48:42 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:59.43 | abrotman | that's out of date |
| 16:59.50 | Hoxzer | PeterC: what software do you use in yoru HTPC? |
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| 17:00.07 | ools | Where can I get a list of files tahat show like "x is on disc 1" .. etc ? |
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| 17:00.19 | lord_rob | PeterC: actually nvidia-kernel-2.6-k7 is just a metapackage that depends on nvidia-kernel-<latest kernel version>-k7 |
| 17:00.28 | PeterC | Hoxzer: MythTV or did you think of something else? |
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| 17:00.41 | lord_rob | so you don't need that package if you want to install nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-k7 |
| 17:00.50 | Hoxzer | PeterC: :) hehe VDR would be another possibility |
| 17:01.31 | Hoxzer | Mythtv's only fault is that it cannot record multiple channels from same multiplex in the same time with one tuner |
| 17:01.39 | Hoxzer | vdr can do that :( |
| 17:01.47 | g333k | Hi, why I cant see well spanish characters in kde apps? |
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| 17:01.55 | perlmonkey | Hi, does anyone use CUPS here under Gnome? I'm having tons of problems with it since upgrading to testing. my printer no longer prints, and when I use Gnome CUPS manager to try and adjust the settings it just keeps freezing and locking up |
| 17:02.07 | PeterC | lord_rob: But it says it will uninstall nvidia-glx if I try to upgrade either to 2.6.17 or 2.6.18 |
| 17:03.09 | LordNazgul | how would i format a line in fstab to mount an ext3 partition as a specific user at boot time? |
| 17:03.09 | PeterC | Hoxzer: Well, maybe, but I think MythTV is really nice |
| 17:03.10 | perlmonkey | hi |
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| 17:03.38 | lord_rob | PeterC: no problems nvidia-glx doesn't provide anything by itself, so if you remove it AND you have nvidia-kernel-2.6.17-k7 installed, that's enough |
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| 17:04.47 | lord_rob | PeterC: I suppose that, as latest kernel version is .18, nvidia-glx-k7 depends on nvidia-glx-2.6.18-k7 and not .17 |
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| 17:06.55 | yggdrasil | how can i see wich process has a mounted network drive "in use" |
| 17:07.03 | LordNazgul | is there any way to mount an ext3 partition as a specific user at boot? |
| 17:07.15 | yggdrasil | i think thats done by the uid gid |
| 17:07.16 | perlmonkey | hi, any idea what could cause gnome cups manager window to freeze? |
| 17:07.18 | PeterC | lord_rob: Wouldn't nvidia-glx have to be installed you say? |
| 17:07.41 | abrotman | yggdrasil: fuser or lsof |
| 17:07.49 | LordNazgul | yggdrasil but uid is not a supported mount option for ext3 |
| 17:07.56 | yggdrasil | hmm |
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| 17:08.36 | rgsteele | g333k: Perhaps you don't have that character set |
| 17:08.50 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 17:08.55 | yggdrasil | abrotman i thought there was a way to do it with ps |
| 17:09.13 | perlmonkey | Hi, does anyone use CUPS here under Gnome? I'm having tons of problems with it since upgrading to testing. my printer no longer prints, and when I use Gnome CUPS manager to try and adjust the settings it just keeps freezing and locking up |
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| 17:09.29 | rgsteele | perlmonkey: Did you look at the logs? |
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| 17:09.45 | perlmonkey | rgsteele: yes, i checked cups error log |
| 17:10.00 | rgsteele | ...and? |
| 17:10.10 | yggdrasil | abrotman how wouldi grep that for /media/storeage ? |
| 17:10.15 | yggdrasil | the lsof |
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| 17:10.45 | perlmonkey | rgsteele: seems to be unrecognised configuration variables, perhaps due to my upgrade? maybe I should reconfigure cups? |
| 17:11.34 | g333k | rgsteele, how can i fix that? |
| 17:11.35 | rgsteele | perlmonkey: Wouldn't be a bad place to start. dpkg-reconfigure <packagename> |
| 17:11.43 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 17:12.54 | abrotman | grep storage ? |
| 17:13.13 | yggdrasil | lsof grep storage ?? |
| 17:13.57 | g00se | perlmonkey: a general word: when i have problems with CUPS it's normally due to missing dependencies |
| 17:14.03 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:14.09 | perlmonkey | I bet my system is screwed |
| 17:14.35 | abrotman | g00se: dependencies shouldn't be missing |
| 17:15.00 | perlmonkey | i am getting lots of errors like this when starting cupsys: shell-init: error retrieving current directory: getcwd: cannot access parent directories: No such file or directory |
| 17:15.13 | rgsteele | g00se: apt can be (and I believe is by default) set to grab all necessary dependencies for a package |
| 17:15.32 | rgsteele | Well, actually it might be a dpkg configuration |
| 17:15.38 | rgsteele | but, apt basically calls dpkg |
| 17:15.40 | perlmonkey | also all the log files for cupsys are now gone, I did a dpkg purge before reinstalling but it seems to have made things worse? |
| 17:15.59 | rgsteele | purge completely removes the configuration files |
| 17:16.07 | g00se | Well of course you're both right in theory but if you configure it in a certain way, things could be missing. In my case it was foomatic once |
| 17:16.16 | rgsteele | g333k: I'm not sure. Not very familiar with Gnome |
| 17:16.21 | rgsteele | g333k: Google might know |
| 17:16.41 | perlmonkey | rgsteele: was that the wrong thing to do? |
| 17:17.35 | rgsteele | I don't purge unless I have a good reason for doing so, but it's pretty situation dependent. |
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| 17:17.58 | perlmonkey | now I am getting error "cups server could not be contacted" when I try and start cups manager |
| 17:18.21 | blondie | hmm |
| 17:18.26 | blondie | printers fucking suck. |
| 17:18.34 | perlmonkey | true |
| 17:18.40 | perlmonkey | and print servers |
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| 17:19.29 | blondie | one of mine no longer works... it says "DMA write timed out" all the time |
| 17:19.47 | Hoxzer | weell, you gotta give wip to it |
| 17:19.48 | blondie | was working fine before I put a second parallel port card in the poxy machine |
| 17:19.56 | tonyb2006 | http://games.slashdot.org/games/06/11/20/0313222.shtml |
| 17:20.01 | tonyb2006 | wrong win |
| 17:20.04 | Hoxzer | whip :( |
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| 17:20.27 | rgsteele | g333k: But, I can tell you were I'd start - dpkg-reconfigure locales, and make sure you select at least one of the Spanish locales |
| 17:20.28 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:20.43 | g333k | rgsteele, done |
| 17:20.52 | g333k | rgsteele, the problem is in another place |
| 17:21.02 | MatBoy | I'm thinking of using raid 0+1 with SWraid. I doubt if it's easy to manage when one drive fails |
| 17:21.19 | rgsteele | perlmonkey: you can see if it's even listening on the right port... netstat -l | grep 631 |
| 17:21.29 | andrej | Since my last apt-get dist-upgrade apt-get keeps segfaulting. Is that a known bug in etch? |
| 17:21.29 | g00se | perlmonkey: I had a bit of grief with my printer under Sarge but even Windoze prints nicely to it now. The printer, on the other hand, needs chucking |
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| 17:21.43 | perlmonkey | rgsteele: thanks it is listening now |
| 17:21.54 | perlmonkey | well |
| 17:21.59 | messju_ | hi. is it possible to disable ip6 completely for one interface? |
| 17:22.04 | andrej | Fetched 3B in 25s (0B/s) |
| 17:22.06 | andrej | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:22.13 | andrej | Reading package lists... Done |
| 17:22.15 | andrej | Segmentation faulty tree... 95% |
| 17:22.17 | rgsteele | can you bring up http://localhost:631 in your web browser? |
| 17:22.21 | perlmonkey | Im puzzled why Gnome cups manager doesnt list any printer manufacturers when you add new printer |
| 17:22.31 | jabka | when im using chroot for 32 bit do im unable tot here sound (from chroo) |
| 17:22.54 | perlmonkey | forbidden |
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| 17:23.34 | perlmonkey | why do the deb guys keep screwing around with stuff |
| 17:23.57 | Ronin | perlmonkey: define screwing around with stuff |
| 17:24.01 | perlmonkey | why dont they just leave the config files in same format and allow smooth upgrades to take place instead of wasting hours of peoples time |
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| 17:24.38 | rgsteele | perlmonkey: So, if there was some newwhizbang method for curing cancer, but it differed wildly from chemotherapy, you'd be opposed to it? |
| 17:24.50 | andrej | heh |
| 17:25.26 | perlmonkey | nobody is opposed to improvements, but when the method for upgrading causes people a lot of hassle that's generally not a good thing and shouldnt be happening |
| 17:25.44 | andrej | I must say that I wasn't much impressed with how squids transparent proxy stuff changed with the last major release in debian |
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| 17:26.45 | perlmonkey | I guess you need to keep your system fairly up-to-date and updated regularly |
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| 17:26.57 | perlmonkey | to avoid becoming left behind |
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| 17:28.03 | perlmonkey | I got access to the cupsys web page |
| 17:28.36 | perlmonkey | sheesh im locked out of admin |
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| 17:28.44 | enouf | screw around with perlmonkey 's stuff |
| 17:28.57 | perlmonkey | don't touch my stuff |
| 17:29.03 | enouf | :-P |
| 17:29.08 | perlmonkey | :P |
| 17:29.49 | enouf | cups lives in it's own versioning world |
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| 17:30.15 | abrotman | yay .. iceweasel in incoming |
| 17:30.32 | lord_rob | abrotman: 2.0 ? |
| 17:30.47 | abrotman | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:30.52 | lord_rob | nice :) |
| 17:31.01 | tonyb2006 | ooo iceweasel 2? |
| 17:31.43 | andrej | Any ideas why my apt-get may be segfaulting on building the dependency tree since yesterday? Or even better, how to fix it? |
| 17:32.16 | perlmonkey | what should I set for device for my printer on Cups? LPT #1? |
| 17:32.42 | perlmonkey | my printer is connected to parallel port |
| 17:32.55 | andrej | If it's connected to your second parallel port ... |
| 17:34.11 | perlmonkey | oh |
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| 17:35.08 | perlmonkey | woah |
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| 17:35.12 | perlmonkey | my printer is printing |
| 17:35.49 | andrej | Heh |
| 17:35.58 | andrej | Your name is Steve Balmer? |
| 17:36.07 | perlmonkey | who is he? |
| 17:36.21 | perlmonkey | isnt that the guy who worked at Microsoft |
| 17:36.36 | andrej | Microsofts (former?) CEO ... he does monkey dances on stage |
| 17:36.41 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 17:36.43 | andrej | Yeah |
| 17:37.36 | perlmonkey | when cupsys works, its actually quite good. |
| 17:37.37 | andrej | shite. How do I install strace or gdb on a machine where apt is broken? :/ |
| 17:38.05 | perlmonkey | what about dpkg, deselect, aptitude? |
| 17:38.11 | andrej | CUPS rocks. I just never liked what ANY distro maker but slackware (who leaves it alone ;}) does to it |
| 17:38.40 | andrej | aptitude is a frontend to apt-get |
| 17:38.45 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 17:38.47 | andrej | just inherits the segfault :/ |
| 17:38.47 | MatBoy | is it safe to use samba shares behiing a firewall where people connect to by VPN ? |
| 17:39.10 | andrej | for the others I'll have to manually download and install the packages (and their dependencies) :/ |
| 17:39.15 | MatBoy | *behind |
| 17:39.19 | perlmonkey | :-/ |
| 17:39.36 | hologram | MatBoy: samba shares can be safe or not depending upon what options you specify in /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 17:39.42 | tonyb2006 | ya know in the icedove logo thing..the shadow to the thunderbird is still there |
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| 17:39.52 | andrej | MatBoy: as safe as it gets (that is if those machines that VPN in don't have to establish connections to an ISP first). |
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| 17:40.12 | cydork | woot anyone want to test my debian search engine? :P |
| 17:40.27 | andrej | 3 months of debian on my server box... I'm so close to going back to slack ;} |
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| 17:40.59 | hologram | cydork: ? |
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| 17:41.11 | MatBoy | hologram, ok, both very true. But I think I don't have much more options when I want to connect from a Server2003 to a PIX with VPN and mount to a samba-share |
| 17:41.15 | hologram | andrej: what made you decide this? |
| 17:41.28 | cydork | hologram: http://vihang007.googlepages.com/search.html :P |
| 17:41.38 | hologram | MatBoy: you can always restrict the connections by subnet/ip |
| 17:42.09 | andrej | The fact that half the time I don't understand how the apckage-maintainers mind works, and the fact that I can't fix simple things like a broken apt-get without causing a hell of a dependency issue |
| 17:42.20 | MatBoy | hologram, yep, but the idea was to connect some clients by VPN so they have a local share and make a websolution so remote persons can put their files onto another filer |
| 17:42.21 | hologram | cydork: looks great but what does it have over a usual google search? |
| 17:42.30 | MatBoy | better should be 2 seperate servers I think |
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| 17:43.11 | cydork | hologram: nope! it's optimised for debian.. so you wont get any stupid results :) |
| 17:43.18 | hologram | nice ;) |
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| 17:43.58 | perlmonkey | cydork: good work, i like it |
| 17:44.43 | jbaloul | can debian be installed on a usb key ? |
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| 17:45.22 | Hermes42 | has anybody here tried to use EVMS on etch? |
| 17:45.40 | cydork | perlmonkey: thanks :P |
| 17:46.23 | stew | jbaloul: yes |
| 17:47.06 | jbaloul | stew: any guides that you can point me to? or is this a strait install and just select usb key as the desination for / ? |
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| 17:47.44 | g00se | Why does egrep -P ... always give me the error "grep: conflicting matchers specified"? |
| 17:47.50 | enouf | cydork: loading .. loading .. loading ... |
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| 17:48.24 | cydork | enouf: wait for a while will ya :) |
| 17:48.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:48.45 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:48.54 | cydork | enouf: it's not that slow.. just checked it.. |
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| 17:49.21 | Hermes42 | I can't save in EVMS (neither command, ncurses or GUI) even after following the guide at http://evms.sourceforge.net/install/kernel.html |
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| 17:51.10 | xingu | hah |
| 17:51.19 | xingu | even got gnome power manager behaving now |
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| 17:53.11 | earthian | hello, something happened with my apache :S |
| 17:53.23 | earthian | Starting web server (apache2)... failed! |
| 17:53.23 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:55.08 | Ronin | earthian: it didnt start |
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| 17:55.25 | earthian | yes.. i wonder why.. now looking at logs |
| 17:55.29 | earthian | :S |
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| 17:55.40 | stew | jbaloul: not sure. I've only done it via debootstrap. the big question wiould be whether or not the bootloader works |
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| 17:56.43 | earthian | ok fixed :S |
| 17:56.55 | earthian | thanks for the tip Ronin :) |
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| 17:58.38 | Ronin | vagueness deserves vagueness in return |
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| 18:05.35 | perlmonkey | vague questions = vague answers |
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| 18:06.09 | dr00t3r | hy anyone uses vnc4server? |
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| 18:11.16 | perlmonkey | never heard of it |
| 18:11.23 | aronofsky | hi |
| 18:11.29 | perlmonkey | hi |
| 18:11.42 | perlmonkey | bonjour |
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| 18:11.54 | perlmonkey | or bon soir |
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| 18:12.36 | hologram | buttman does #debian!! |
| 18:12.40 | hologram | i knew the day would come |
| 18:12.47 | hologram | i'm your #1 fan |
| 18:12.52 | HolyGoat | Hm. Anyone ever had problems playing mp4 files with totem/mplayer/xine, in the sense that you cannot "forward" in an mp4 movie? |
| 18:13.02 | perlmonkey | haha |
| 18:13.08 | perlmonkey | too funny |
| 18:13.10 | hologram | HolyGoat: it could be that the file is incomplete |
| 18:13.40 | HolyGoat | hologram: I've tried with a couple of mp4 files, all of them seemed to be complete. |
| 18:13.45 | hologram | ah |
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| 18:14.00 | perlmonkey | what time zone is PST? |
| 18:14.07 | peterS | UTC-0800 |
| 18:14.15 | perlmonkey | thanks peterS |
| 18:14.16 | Ronin | pacific iirc |
| 18:14.16 | hologram | pacific standard time? |
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| 18:14.39 | perlmonkey | im off the hook then |
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| 18:15.53 | anapivirtua | Cya, definitif. |
| 18:16.39 | HolyGoat | hologram: Ah well I'll just convert them to avi files, thanks anyway :) |
| 18:16.49 | hologram | roger |
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| 18:18.33 | perlmonkey | roger that, over and out |
| 18:18.55 | Roey | hello hologram |
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| 18:20.03 | Seb | hi fellows |
| 18:20.17 | perlmonkey | hi Seb! |
| 18:20.17 | Seb | is there a program for linux that'd removfe red-eyes from digital cam pics ? |
| 18:20.42 | perlmonkey | probably Gimp has a plugin for that? |
| 18:20.42 | Seb | s/removfe/remove/ |
| 18:20.51 | thelostbutler | hello folks, how does one configure apache2 to serve pages on http and https. i followed the suggestion on http://www.ianmiller.net/article.php?id=13 . i got the errorInvalid command 'SSLEngine' Invalid command 'SSLCertificateFile', |
| 18:20.51 | Seb | i couldn't seem to find anything |
| 18:20.55 | perlmonkey | oh |
| 18:20.58 | thelostbutler | would appreciate some help |
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| 18:21.48 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: http://linuxgazette.net/131/cressatti.html#Configuring_apache_to_serve_HTTPS_pages |
| 18:21.58 | ayaa | i have to set the essid for my wifi interface everytime i reboot, how to add it as pre-networking hook ? |
| 18:23.08 | craigevil | Seb: Script-Fu/Selection/Red Eye |
| 18:23.43 | hologram | heya Roey ;) |
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| 18:23.54 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: thanks |
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| 18:24.18 | craigevil | Seb: Also, A second script included in the file (Script-Fu/Selection/Red Eye Desaturate) uses the red channel desaturate technique |
| 18:24.21 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: np |
| 18:26.52 | xingu | ayaa: I do it with an up directive in /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 18:27.24 | Seb | craigevil: ok, I'll try that... Thanks ! |
| 18:27.28 | xingu | ayaa: actually these days inetfaces(5) supports "wireless_essid" |
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| 18:29.59 | ayaa | xingu, inetfaces(5) ? |
| 18:30.00 | HolyGoat | whoa, tovid is nice |
| 18:30.01 | o[-_-]o` | I'll soon find out |
| 18:30.17 | xingu | ayaa: interfaces, sorry |
| 18:30.19 | cjari | hi, Im updating from 3.1r1 using unstable repository and the package manager asks if I want to remove the running kernel, should it update if I answer yes? |
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| 18:30.28 | iSupaplex | !nickometer o[-_-]o` |
| 18:30.30 | dpkg | 'o[-_-]o`' is 99.9124% lame, isupaplex |
| 18:30.39 | cjari | or will my debian be broken unless its reconfigured manually or something? |
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| 18:31.02 | krazykit | cjari: i'd just leave the running kernel and reboot to the new one at your convenience |
| 18:31.07 | cydork | iSupaplex: hmm that must be the highest score ever :) |
| 18:31.12 | dimir | Almost hit the top/ |
| 18:31.15 | iSupaplex | cjari, remove it after you don't need it and it's not the current running kernel. |
| 18:31.32 | jelly-home | cjari: your system will be broken if the power goes out while the new kernel is not installed yet |
| 18:31.46 | iSupaplex | but it'll be so fun to fix! |
| 18:32.21 | cjari | I see, thank you |
| 18:32.25 | |ryan| | anyone know of a utility that will automaticly lock a shell session after a few minutes? |
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| 18:32.38 | iSupaplex | screen might... |
| 18:32.42 | jelly-home | ... cjari are you saying you're upgrading to unstable from stable? |
| 18:32.47 | iSupaplex | but you could just detach *shrug* |
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| 18:32.58 | Vme | hello |
| 18:33.00 | cjari | yes |
| 18:33.07 | jelly-home | cjari: any special reason? |
| 18:33.08 | SpeedyG | -11 |
| 18:33.22 | cjari | because the stable doesnt seem to have that much packages |
| 18:33.34 | Vme | i'm doing some transfers from my debian box to my windows laptop via a crossover cable. 100 Mbps connections using SCP. i'm only getting about 360kB/s?? |
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| 18:33.42 | Vme | is there a setting i need to adjust in debian? |
| 18:33.46 | jelly-home | cjari: oh, so no special reason. |
| 18:34.00 | Hermes42 | Q: is EVMS in etch broken? |
| 18:34.27 | cjari | ok, thanks for clearing that |
| 18:34.27 | iSupaplex | Vme both nicks using autosense and show 100mbit right now? |
| 18:34.38 | iSupaplex | full duplex? half? |
| 18:34.38 | jelly-home | cjari: testing might have been a better idea. |
| 18:34.43 | Vme | yep |
| 18:35.03 | cjari | oh ok, well I know that for next time |
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| 18:35.11 | aronofsky | simple question, when you install a package with aptitude ( default config ) , it doesn't install "ecommended"ackages ? |
| 18:35.24 | aronofsky | recommended packages |
| 18:35.39 | jelly-home | aronofsky: I'm not exactly sure, but you can tell it to. |
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| 18:35.49 | Vme | actually, how do i verify in debian? |
| 18:36.00 | Vme | ifconfig shows it up |
| 18:36.04 | Vme | but not at what speed |
| 18:36.11 | aronofsky | jelly-home, and can you tell it not to |
| 18:36.57 | xingu | Vme: mii-tool |
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| 18:37.12 | Vme | mediacenter:~# mii-tool |
| 18:37.12 | Vme | eth0: negotiated 100baseTx-FD flow-control, link ok |
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| 18:37.48 | Doat | My ADSL works only if i do 'ifdown -a' and then 'pppoeconf', which starts the interfaces at the end. But when i do ifdown -a && ifup -a after that i can't ping anything. What could be wrong? |
| 18:37.59 | xingu | Vme: any errors showing in netstat -e on windows or ifconfig -a on linux? |
| 18:38.17 | trym | if I have the debian source of a certain app, is there a way I easily create a deb package from a newer source? |
| 18:38.36 | iSupaplex | Vme xingu means the error counts (counters) |
| 18:38.37 | Vme | no errors on either |
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| 18:38.52 | iSupaplex | trym uupdate |
| 18:39.01 | trym | iSupaplex: sorry ? |
| 18:39.17 | iSupaplex | !uupdate |
| 18:39.17 | dpkg | uupdate upgrades a source code package from an upstream revision |
| 18:39.24 | Vme | i'm wondering if its a registry setting in windows or something, or perhaps something with PSCP & SCP? |
| 18:39.27 | iSupaplex | suggested for sid sources |
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| 18:39.42 | trym | iSupaplex: ah nice. complex syntax? |
| 18:39.43 | iSupaplex | Vme, what about some other transfer test? |
| 18:39.53 | iSupaplex | trym man uupdate :) |
| 18:40.01 | trym | I will I will :) |
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| 18:40.11 | xingu | Vme: at those speeds it seems like you probably have an scp derived from the original codebase which has a nasty little 4k blocking size |
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| 18:40.18 | iSupaplex | and yes, you have to install it first. /msg dpkg search for more info |
| 18:40.22 | cjari | oh no kernel panic, attembting to kill init ? |
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| 18:40.39 | xingu | Vme: if you switch to ftp, do you get 3-6MB/s ? |
| 18:40.51 | Vme | i'm running an ftp test now |
| 18:41.11 | iSupaplex | Vme are you on cable? are the ips of both boxes on the same subnet? |
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| 18:41.13 | cjari | it says that kernel requires old modprobe but couldn't run modrpobe.modutils |
| 18:41.44 | Vme | ftp: 561283072 bytes received in 63.40Seconds 8853.60Kbytes/sec. |
| 18:41.47 | cjari | and no dev/console either... |
| 18:41.47 | SpeedyG | 1 |
| 18:41.48 | Vme | ftp is much better |
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| 18:42.16 | sqrxz | app to use for pdf viewing? |
| 18:42.23 | iSupaplex | vme, sounds like it's scp/ssh, not ethernet. :) |
| 18:42.28 | Vme | yea |
| 18:42.29 | iSupaplex | !tell sqrxz -about search |
| 18:42.30 | xingu | Vme: find a newer scp codebase |
| 18:42.30 | Vme | i agree |
| 18:42.38 | Vme | hrm |
| 18:42.44 | Vme | apt-get won't have that |
| 18:42.45 | xingu | Vme: openssh3 I think is available in win32 flavour |
| 18:42.49 | jelly-home | I've seen ssh having issues on Windows. |
| 18:42.52 | xingu | Vme: doubt it's the linux end |
| 18:43.04 | Vme | hrm |
| 18:43.07 | jelly-home | Vme: what are you using on windows end? |
| 18:43.09 | Vme | you think its a PSCP issue |
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| 18:43.17 | Vme | Putty SCP |
| 18:43.28 | xingu | Vme: the original ssh1 reference had a 4k block size in the inner loop and quickly becomes a latency test over a clean, high clock rate transport |
| 18:43.35 | xingu | Vme: quite likely. |
| 18:43.51 | Vme | so its the PSCP side |
| 18:43.56 | Vme | on windows |
| 18:43.59 | Vme | most likely |
| 18:44.10 | xingu | Vme: experiment, but I'd guess so unless your linux system is ancient |
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| 18:44.17 | Vme | nope |
| 18:44.18 | jelly-home | Vme: maybe try WinSCP? |
| 18:44.21 | Vme | its pretty much current |
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| 18:44.25 | trym | hm |
| 18:44.35 | Vme | i'll give some other clients on the windows a try |
| 18:44.40 | xingu | Vme: my unix boxes can easily hit 6MB/s at work for scp; codebase there is f-secure v3 |
| 18:45.07 | xingu | gotta love common, and crappy ancestors. |
| 18:45.11 | aronofsky | can anyone if aptitude is to install recommended package or not ? |
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| 18:45.18 | aronofsky | can anyone tell me ... |
| 18:45.42 | Ronin | aronofsky: not sure what you're asking aronofsky |
| 18:46.21 | aronofsky | Ronin, i was wonderin if aptitude ( with default config ) was installing recommended package or not when you do aptitude install <package> |
| 18:47.18 | jelly-home | aronofsky: which version of aptitude? |
| 18:47.34 | aronofsky | jelly-home, testing one |
| 18:47.41 | Baltax | i am trying to compile xterm with --enable-256-color. the idea is to download sources with apt-get source xterm, but then the hole xfree86_4.3.0 gets downloaded. i can not seem to find any make files or similar to enable the flags. Any suggestions?? |
| 18:48.05 | aronofsky | jelly-home, 0.4.3-1 |
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| 18:49.02 | xingu | Baltax: last I checked, xterm was part of the X codebase; problem space you'll be looking at is how to build it on a debianised tree without building everything |
| 18:49.05 | xingu | Baltax: good luck. |
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| 18:49.23 | jelly-home | aronofsky: have you taken a look at /usr/share/doc/aptitude/README ? |
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| 18:49.42 | aronofsky | jelly-home, no |
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| 18:49.46 | Vme | WinSCP is considerably better |
| 18:49.48 | jeward | I have 3ware 9000 RAID hardware. Sarge doesn't have drivers, but does etch? |
| 18:49.54 | Vme | but not near as good as FTP :) |
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| 18:49.58 | aronofsky | jelly-home, i will right now |
| 18:50.04 | Vme | i'm at about 2,000 kB/s |
| 18:50.10 | xingu | Vme: damn I'm good, that'll be .03€ to a charity of your choosing |
| 18:50.10 | mo1991 | is there a program for sarge that is similar to peergardian for windows - hides IP's, etc. |
| 18:50.19 | Vme | :) |
| 18:50.29 | Baltax | xingu: thanks for that hint! would you suggest anything else ?? |
| 18:50.30 | Vme | wonder my its still so slow compared to FTP |
| 18:50.33 | Vme | just the application |
| 18:50.39 | xingu | Vme: if you can find a codebase that does its crypto with SIMD (SSE/MMX/what-eh-ver) it'll perk up some |
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| 18:50.58 | aronofsky | but if anyone got direct answer , i take it ... |
| 18:51.20 | jeward | I have 3ware 9000 RAID hardware. Sarge doesn't have drivers, but does etch? |
| 18:51.49 | xingu | Baltax: not really, it's been over a decade since I was last peering into that abyss |
| 18:51.50 | jelly-home | !repeat |
| 18:51.50 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 18:51.55 | trym | 8 out of 18 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file config.guess.rej <-- I get lots of those when I try to use uupdate? |
| 18:51.57 | trym | should I ignore it? |
| 18:52.11 | xingu | Baltax: you may find the rxvt build-deps easier to satisfy and the end result functionally equivalent |
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| 18:52.39 | cjari | could some one take a look at this error/problem: http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/8339/kpwx3.png |
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| 18:53.09 | trym | can someone have a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4557 |
| 18:54.04 | Baltax | xingu: well i will give it a try !! thanks |
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| 18:54.32 | xingu | cjari: you're missing an initrd in my estimation |
| 18:54.43 | jelly-home | jeward: does 3w-9xxx sound good to you? |
| 18:54.57 | cjari | xingu ok that's what it was talking about and it said I should boot |
| 18:55.47 | xingu | cjari: it's getting pretty tough to do debian without using an initrd, suggest you go look at update-initramfs |
| 18:56.27 | PaSurf | I am trying to connect to a MySQL db on Debian Sarge. Using the MySQL admin I try to connect with "could not connect to host". I select ping and I ping the server fine. On the debian server I run lsof -i to check if daemon is listening on port 3306. I see nothing but when I do a mysqld_safe & it says the process is already running. Any ideas on why I cannot connect? No firewall setup either on local machine. |
| 18:57.34 | xingu | trym: dovecot 1.0rc14 is already packaged in unstable y'know? |
| 18:57.48 | trym | xingu: yes but Im running sarge |
| 18:58.02 | xingu | trym: apt-source it and build no use? |
| 18:58.30 | trym | lol |
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| 18:58.34 | trym | I actually havent tried |
| 18:58.36 | cjari | xingu is that a console command? |
| 18:58.40 | thelostbutler | hello folks, i am trying to configure 80 and 443 on a system and i followed the steps here http://linuxgazette.net/131/cressatti.html#Configuring_apache_to_serve_HTTPS_pages . however when i use lynx https://hostname i get the error saying unable to make secure connection to host. in the log files i find Invalid method in request \x16\x03\x01 |
| 18:58.43 | trym | just kinda figured it wouldnt work |
| 18:58.45 | thelostbutler | would appreciate some hlep |
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| 18:59.12 | xingu | trym: ... no rules against kickstarting your own backports repo |
| 18:59.19 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: can you connect using ip address? |
| 18:59.29 | trym | xingu: :) |
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| 18:59.57 | xingu | trym: when it comes to mailservers I can appreciate that "dist-upgrade" aren't the first words on your lips; just be aware that you're close to forking your own distro at that point |
| 19:00.19 | xingu | trym: probably life's way of hinting that you need to start planning for an all out upgrade to etch |
| 19:00.24 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: no i cannot |
| 19:00.38 | sanmarcos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:01.21 | trym | xingu: first of all, Im just going to check it out |
| 19:01.22 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: does the default apache page show up? |
| 19:01.24 | xingu | sanmarcos: if by "slow" you mean "chomping packets like they were smarties" then yes |
| 19:01.52 | trym | xingu: when etch goes stable, Im going to setup that |
| 19:02.05 | sanmarcos | xingu, it happens that these people at my company dont want to put the money |
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| 19:02.21 | sanmarcos | how can I check if my connection is dropping/loosing packets (this is a win client) |
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| 19:02.30 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: for the non-secure (checking to see if apache is even running and serving pages) |
| 19:02.34 | sanmarcos | I mean, check from the Debian server |
| 19:02.37 | sanmarcos | not from the win client |
| 19:02.40 | xingu | sanmarcos: mtr? |
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| 19:03.32 | PaSurf | I am trying to connect to a MySQL db on Debian Sarge. Using the MySQL admin I try to connect with "could not connect to host". I select ping and I ping the server fine. On the debian server I run lsof -i to check if daemon is listening on port 3306. I see nothing but when I do a mysqld_safe & it says the process is already running. Any ideas on why I cannot connect? No firewall setup either on local machine. |
| 19:03.42 | xingu | sanmarcos: not always the best test in the world, but for some classes of fault... what you really want to do is fire up wireshark and capture a badly running session; if you have a lot of retransmitted segments, something is ill. |
| 19:04.30 | sanmarcos | xingu, I am puttying back to my server, it just drops the connection every 4 minutes. And typing something has a 1 second delay (readline). Man, these fscking cheap companies |
| 19:04.58 | xingu | 1s delay is a router running with a full sendq; mtr, find out which hop it is. |
| 19:05.14 | bbelt16ag | hey whats the name of the package for the kernel source i need to get to compile a module for nvdia? |
| 19:05.16 | thelostbutler | PaSurf: yes it is . i redid the whole file again, it is working. i dunno why it was messed up the first time. i get this error now SSL error:Can't find common name in certificate-Continue? |
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| 19:06.13 | sanmarcos | xingu, 1 second, as in I type something in the terminal, and it takes time to appear in the screen |
| 19:06.20 | sanmarcos | xingu, sometimes even more |
| 19:06.24 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: I wonder if that is because the certificate name does not match the site name. |
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| 19:07.27 | xingu | sanmarcos: yes, I understand; I also understand that the old rule of thumb was to buffer up to 1s worth of traffic and then go into discard; a traceroute between source and sink will likely as not show you which hop it is that's overloaded |
| 19:07.47 | x1jmp | I have installed nx i386 packages on debian-amd64, now apt-get returns an error about unmet dependencies of freenx |
| 19:07.57 | bbelt16ag | hey where do i get the kernel source for 2.6.17? all i see if 2.6.18 |
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| 19:08.07 | xingu | sanmarcos: armed with that knowledge you can proceed to mitigation; if it is your router, turn on fancy queueing such that your interactive classes like ssh are not hosed by your bulk classes like http |
| 19:08.09 | x1jmp | the dependencies are available but installed from another arch |
| 19:08.29 | sanmarcos | xingu, unfortunately I cant do that in my company |
| 19:08.40 | thelostbutler | Pasurf: aah crap, would i have to regenerate the whole certificate or can i just edit the certificate |
| 19:08.41 | x1jmp | how do I say apt that these apckages are already installed and the dependencies are met? |
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| 19:08.52 | trym | xingu: how do I add only that package to my sources so I can do apt-get source? |
| 19:08.53 | sanmarcos | xingu, upper mgt people get scared that things will break. They have a win 2003 serve rthey restart eveyr day or so because it gets "clogged". Seriously. |
| 19:09.21 | xingu | sanmarcos: no transport layer crypto is going to work on a high-loss, high-delay link; you need to rethink your strategy |
| 19:09.33 | sanmarcos | xingu, they just use a crappy TDSL for which they pay hundreds of bucks a month. My residential ADSL is ten times faster. Everytime someone downloads something in here, it keeps everybody else from doing work. |
| 19:09.41 | stew | x1jmp: if the dependencies were installed, apt wouldn't be complaining. show us the actual output you are getting from apt, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 19:09.44 | sanmarcos | xingu, well I am sshing home, its not company policy |
| 19:09.47 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: Pretty sure you would need to regenerate. |
| 19:10.06 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: usually doesn't take too long |
| 19:10.11 | xingu | trym: I generally just downloaded the source and applied the diff, that's about all apt-source actually does apart from recursively checking build deps |
| 19:10.18 | stew | bbelt16ag: you don't need source, you need -headers. they have likely been removed from debian, either upgrade to 2.6.18 or get them from sdn: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 19:10.42 | PaSurf | thelostbutler: you can also try #apache they have some people there who might better understand the issue than I.. :) |
| 19:10.51 | trym | xingu: guess I need to google for how to apply the diff correctly then ;) (dont have much experience with diff at all) |
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| 19:11.09 | zenwryly | How do I found out which repo apt is getting a deb from? |
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| 19:11.25 | Gemini` | hi all |
| 19:11.25 | centrx | apt-cache show <name> |
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| 19:12.03 | stew | x1jmp: oh, you are mixing different arches? i don't think that is possible |
| 19:12.03 | trym | xingu: the packages.debian.org search gives rc14, but the source is rc13? |
| 19:12.05 | zenwryly | centrx: that doesn't seem to show which repo it's from |
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| 19:12.22 | stew | zenwryly: apt-cache policy packagename |
| 19:12.22 | x1jmp | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4558 |
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| 19:12.44 | zenwryly | stew: that's what I thought, but it's not giving me a repo |
| 19:13.03 | xingu | sanmarcos: you'd probably find telnet over network layer encryption like ipsec or vtun or whatever a better pick |
| 19:13.04 | x1jmp | stew: yes, I'm mixing arches as that's the only possibility to run freenx on amd64 |
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| 19:13.19 | stew | x1jmp: why not use a 32 bit chroot? |
| 19:13.37 | stew | x1jmp: what is the output of "apt-cache policy nxagent"? |
| 19:13.50 | x1jmp | x1jmp: I'm using the ia32-libs |
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| 19:14.30 | x1jmp | nxagent: Installed: (none) |
| 19:14.41 | zenwryly | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4559 |
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| 19:14.53 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 19:15.23 | stew | zenwryly: oh you mean you are trying to figure out where it came from? you can't. |
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| 19:15.30 | x1jmp | stew: but it installed fine with dpkg -i --force-architecture |
| 19:15.32 | stew | zenwryly: i thought you were trying to figure out where it will come from |
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| 19:15.52 | ayaa | how to launch an application from console and send it to a given display |
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| 19:16.58 | xingu | ayaa: DISPLAY=:d.s mycommand |
| 19:16.59 | stew | ayaa: "DISPLAY=$somedisplay application" or "env DISPLAY=$somedisplay application" depending on your shell, where $somedisplay is something like :0 or :1 or 1.2.3.4:0 |
| 19:17.09 | xingu | ayaa: where d and s are display and screen resp. |
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| 19:17.25 | zenwryly | stew: I guess I don't understand the difference |
| 19:17.41 | ayaa | xingu, how to get the available screens and displays for each screen |
| 19:18.06 | roxy_ | from reading /msg dpkg w32codecs, I understood there were a w32codecs package. I got deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main in my source.list, but aptitude can't find such package. |
| 19:18.07 | stew | zenwryly: apt-cache policy would show where it is available from, currently its not available from any of your repositories. once it is installed, apt doens't keep track of where it was installed from |
| 19:18.10 | xingu | ayaa: if you're asking that question, assume it's 0.0 |
| 19:18.24 | zenwryly | stew: ah! Ok |
| 19:18.37 | zenwryly | stew: thanks |
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| 19:18.43 | stew | x1jmp: perhaps ask #debian-amd64 |
| 19:18.49 | zenwryly | anyone know of an apt source for th AOL official aim client? |
| 19:18.58 | x1jmp | stew: ok, thanks |
| 19:19.18 | Flimzy | zenwryly: Why would you want one? |
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| 19:20.05 | zenwryly | Flimzy: for more complete protocol support |
| 19:20.11 | roxy_ | where can I find debian package to read .wma file with mplayer ? |
| 19:20.14 | zenwryly | Flimzy: file transfers and such |
| 19:20.14 | Flimzy | zenwryly: More complete in what ways? |
| 19:20.22 | Flimzy | zenwryly: Hmm. I do file transfers over gaim all the time. |
| 19:21.02 | sanmarcos | zenwryly, just use Kopete |
| 19:21.05 | Flimzy | zenwryly: Well, "all the time" isn't quite accurate... but frequently enough to know itw rosk very well :P |
| 19:21.15 | Flimzy | itw rosk nice |
| 19:21.23 | Flimzy | I made up new words without even trying |
| 19:21.24 | zenwryly | Flimzy: I don't use the official client from day-to-day, but I'd like to have the official client on hand |
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| 19:21.39 | zenwryly | Flimzy: and obviously I'd like to install it using apt |
| 19:21.48 | Flimzy | zenwryly: is it even free? |
| 19:21.59 | Flimzy | (it could well be... AOL seems to like OSS) |
| 19:22.21 | zenwryly | Flimzy: there is an AOL aim deb |
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| 19:22.29 | zenwryly | Maybe there's isn't a source |
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| 19:23.07 | Flimzy | zenwryly: you mean source package? Even if it's a binary-only distribution, there's probably a "source" package used to turn it into a .deb... Unless AOL releases the .deb themselves |
| 19:23.25 | zenwryly | I mean apt source |
| 19:23.25 | centrx | AOL you fool |
| 19:23.28 | zenwryly | sources.list |
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| 19:23.34 | xingu | x1jmp: I'll probably get shot for this, but if you're desparate... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=54417 |
| 19:23.36 | Flimzy | centrx: ? |
| 19:23.51 | Flimzy | zenwryly: If there's a .deb, there's probably an apt source... although it may be painfully unofficial... |
| 19:24.17 | xingu | x1jmp: I'm guessing that there's good reasons why it's not already packaged though. |
| 19:24.26 | bbelt16ag | all right peeps |
| 19:24.36 | bbelt16ag | how do i get apt-get to fix its gpg errors? |
| 19:24.46 | x1jmp | xingu: the new 64-bit version segfaults on my machine |
| 19:24.48 | zenwryly | Flimzy: yeah, hence the question :) |
| 19:25.03 | x1jmp | xingu: that's why I'm using i386 |
| 19:25.39 | bbelt16ag | i cant get the packages unless i get gpg to work its ignoring debian repo |
| 19:25.43 | bbelt16ag | ..... |
| 19:25.46 | stew | bbelt16ag: depends on the error, usually by adding a missing key with apt-key, "/msg dpkg 2006 key" for the official debian mirror key |
| 19:25.47 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
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| 19:25.55 | bbelt16ag | ? |
| 19:26.01 | Flimzy | zenwryly: apt-get.org |
| 19:26.03 | stew | bbelt16ag: oh, that is a different error, then, if it were just a missing key it would be ignorable |
| 19:26.04 | bbelt16ag | why isnt that in the how-to?!!?!?!? |
| 19:26.18 | bbelt16ag | right. 99% of packages gone. |
| 19:26.36 | rodolfo | hello I'm trying to install the pack ipw3495 and i've got a problem with something |
| 19:26.41 | stew | bbelt16ag: what are you talking about? gone? |
| 19:26.44 | rodolfo | somebody can help me? |
| 19:26.45 | bbelt16ag | no kernel sources. no nvida driver module compile. means no quake, and one unhapp bbelt. |
| 19:26.50 | bbelt16ag | it wont read them.. |
| 19:26.58 | Flimzy | !tell rodolfo about ask |
| 19:27.36 | stew | bbelt16ag: huh? what error are you getting? what command are you typing? what kernel sources are you trying to fetch? |
| 19:27.44 | zenwryly | Flimzy: yeah, tried that first |
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| 19:28.06 | Flimzy | zenwryly: If it's not there, it's probably not going to be easy to find... you could always make one! |
| 19:28.27 | rodolfo | Flimzy, ok my problem is i can't install that pack cause i'got a lot of warning when i try to install the pack |
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| 19:29.27 | zenwryly | Flimzy: yeah |
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| 19:31.30 | robin_sz | right ... sanity check here ... an LDAP server will allow me to store mail and contact details in such a way I can get the same info regardless of which machine I log on from, right??? |
| 19:31.47 | rodolfo | Flimzy, could you check this for me and can u tell me what is my problem |
| 19:31.51 | rodolfo | Flimzy, http://rafb.net/paste/results/wQIpb753.html |
| 19:32.01 | petemc | robin_sz: yeah |
| 19:32.25 | robin_sz | petemc, and how does the mail end up in my LDAP account in the first place? |
| 19:32.44 | robin_sz | something somewhere retreives it from my POP account? |
| 19:32.44 | trym | if I want to build a source package on sarge ment for unstable, It complains about debhelper >= 5 installed |
| 19:32.50 | trym | any ideas how to circumvent this? |
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| 19:32.55 | petemc | robin_sz: i dont use ldap, i find it quite confusing - i want to use it for the features you describe and lots more |
| 19:33.14 | stew | !m-a rodolfo ieee80211 |
| 19:33.14 | dpkg | rodolfo: to compile and install ieee80211 for your running kernel: apt-get install build-essential module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 && modprobe ieee80211 ; if this works echo ieee80211 >> /etc/modules ; also ask me about <m-a> |
| 19:33.27 | robin_sz | petemc, ahh, you are probably on the same bit of the learning curve as me then :) |
| 19:33.44 | rodolfo | ok thank |
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| 19:34.14 | xingu | robin_sz: ldap is not designed as a message store nor as a msa protocol; you could try both, but it's a directory services protocol at heart and the implementations of it work best in that space |
| 19:34.49 | robin_sz | ahh, a directory services protocol. |
| 19:34.51 | robin_sz | right ... |
| 19:34.58 | xingu | robin_sz: you could park contact details in there; the mail itself will likely as not need to get parked in a message store; in a modern world, this probably means imap4 or something proprietry |
| 19:35.02 | Flimzy | !tell rodolfo about ask |
| 19:35.02 | robin_sz | umm ... and what are directory services? |
| 19:35.06 | Flimzy | rodolfo: Don't just ask _me_ |
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| 19:35.15 | Flimzy | rodolfo: Just because I'm the one who told you how to ask doesn't mean I know the answer. |
| 19:35.20 | robin_sz | imap4? |
| 19:35.27 | robin_sz | all so confusing |
| 19:35.46 | x1jmp | Is it possible to tell apt that a certain package is installed or not to care about dependencies? |
| 19:35.47 | robin_sz | so slapd for storing contact info |
| 19:36.01 | xingu | robin_sz: ldap is designed to hold identities; which means that it has semantics for search, query, update, referral, and replication of them |
| 19:36.03 | robin_sz | and imapd for looking aftyer the mail right? |
| 19:36.30 | xingu | robin_sz: something along those lines yes |
| 19:37.16 | rodolfo | Flimzy, ok sorry mate |
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| 19:38.10 | Flimzy | rodolfo: Did you read the stuff you pasted? |
| 19:38.24 | xingu | robin_sz: it's probably not worth the effort of looking at this as an individual; the payoff is when you have multiple clients of various flavours, all of whom need a unified directory of some description (email contact detail, account login detail, system naming detail, yadda) |
| 19:38.48 | Flimzy | rodolfo: It essentially tells you waht to do in the first 3 paragraphs. |
| 19:39.05 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 19:39.08 | xingu | robin_sz: for an individual client, the overhead of a remote directory service and remote message store are unlikely to result in any significant payoff |
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| 19:43.40 | zenwryly | If one is running an amd64 version of debian, is there a way I can install packages compiled for 32bit? |
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| 19:45.06 | zasz | What is the command to list the number of messages in the postfix active queue |
| 19:45.22 | reanjr | I am having network problems. Dual-boot machine, Windows DHCP connects fine, Debian cannot DHCPDISCOVER. /etc/network/interfaces lists: auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp. Any ideas |
| 19:45.35 | stew | zenwryly: you can run a 32-bit chroot |
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| 19:47.11 | zenwryly | stew: right, ok |
| 19:47.14 | zenwryly | stew: thanks |
| 19:47.25 | cafuego | Or alternatively, if you only run as a desktop box, install a 32bit debian. |
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| 19:48.24 | vader-- | could anyone help me out with a ntp tiem problem |
| 19:48.26 | vader-- | time |
| 19:48.42 | vader-- | for some reason my server is syncing it's time with my ntp server but it's always 3 minutes off |
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| 19:49.14 | r3tex | anyone here know how to switch between ati and xorg graphics without typing 20 dpkg-divert commands? |
| 19:49.21 | bkhl | What do you people use to copy DVDs? |
| 19:49.22 | bkhl | I just need straight DVD-to-disk-copying, no ISO image building (thought that wouldn't hurt) or compression |
| 19:49.23 | r3tex | or nvidia and xorg for that matter |
| 19:49.33 | DerJamster | bkhl: try k3b |
| 19:49.35 | bkhl | I found dvdbackup, but that doesn't manage to copy any of my DVDs. |
| 19:49.45 | DerJamster | wait. |
| 19:49.48 | cafuego | r3tex: Yep, edit the Driver entry in the X config file, restart X. |
| 19:49.55 | DerJamster | bkhl: define 'disk' |
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| 19:50.10 | r3tex | cafuego, yeah i got that covered, I was thinking of the libGL files etc... |
| 19:50.10 | bkhl | DerJamster: my hard drive works. |
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| 19:50.28 | [wz]MaC | who to download something with "wget" into an specific directory? |
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| 19:50.33 | bkhl | DerJamster: if have the video_ts directory or whatever, I know where to go from there. |
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| 19:51.05 | stew | [wz]MaC: look up the -O switch |
| 19:51.27 | xingu | vader--: by "syncing" do you mean "you're running ntpdate" or "you're running ntpd" ? |
| 19:51.35 | DerJamster | bkhl: just mount the DVD. The dirs are on there. |
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| 19:51.50 | r3tex | cafuego, gentoo has "eselect". I can make my own scripts, I just haven't gotten the hang of the diversions that dpkg makes |
| 19:52.13 | bkhl | DerJamster: but I can't read them as regular files. I just get I/O errors. |
| 19:52.32 | DerJamster | then it's copy protected. |
| 19:52.37 | [wz]MaC | thank you stew |
| 19:52.40 | reanjr | I have dual-boot machine, Windows DHCP connects fine, Debian does not (DHCPDISCOVER does not get a response). /etc/network/interfaces lists: auto eth0 \n iface eth0 inet dhcp. Any ideas? |
| 19:52.48 | stew | [wz]MaC: also -P |
| 19:52.55 | bkhl | DerJamster: OK, so then I need a tool that also ignores "copy protection". |
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| 19:53.11 | rodolfo | dpkg, i do everything and i'got the same problem |
| 19:53.15 | [wz]MaC | okay |
| 19:53.18 | [wz]MaC | thanks stew |
| 19:53.22 | DerJamster | bkhl: good luck with that. I don't know any for *nix. |
| 19:53.23 | elik | Hi, I recently installed Debian Etch... I have a folder in my home directoy (.gnome) which has an entry like that: drw------- 2 elik games 4096 2006-11-13 12:32 .gnome . As elik user, I cannot access this directory, which I dont understand |
| 19:53.38 | elik | Now, Nethack tries to put stuff in this directory and is refused access |
| 19:53.40 | DerJamster | bkhl: tho I must add that I only own a handful of DVDs |
| 19:53.42 | peterS | elik: chmod u+x .gnome |
| 19:53.56 | bkhl | DerJamster: I've found a few, but none that work to my satisfaction. |
| 19:53.57 | stew | elik: you need +x access to enter a directory |
| 19:53.59 | robin_sz | xingu, I have an office, 4 people, who move desks from time to time, plus we could really do with sharing our contact details in a central database |
| 19:54.05 | peterS | elik: how did you get yourself into that situation anyway? it doesn't seem possible for it to have happened without your consent |
| 19:54.15 | DerJamster | elik: no x (as in execution rights). For dirs, execution means entering the dir. read means listing the files. |
| 19:54.19 | bkhl | DerJamster: I've managed to run DVD Shrink in Wine, but it doesn't interact well with the DVD reader. |
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| 19:54.26 | elik | peterS and stew, the fact that it is a directory requires execute to be listed? |
| 19:54.34 | peterS | elik: only if you want to access the contents |
| 19:54.39 | DerJamster | bkhl: try k9copy |
| 19:54.46 | elik | DerJamster, right, what I though |
| 19:54.49 | DerJamster | bkhl: or xdvdshrink :D |
| 19:55.01 | cafuego | peterS: Bah, details. |
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| 19:55.06 | elik | petes, well, this folder was created by nethack I think |
| 19:55.12 | bkhl | DerJamster: k9copy is one of those I tried. But I'll check out the other one. |
| 19:55.13 | DerJamster | yay nethack |
| 19:55.18 | elik | hehe |
| 19:55.24 | elik | peters, no idea how it was set this way.. |
| 19:55.28 | peterS | elik: what do you have, umask 177 or something? |
| 19:55.38 | stew | 600 |
| 19:55.40 | roxy_ | is there a way to listen to .wma on amd64 testing ? |
| 19:55.42 | bonez39 | anyone know how to set page margins....when printing with enscript? my documents print to bottom and get truncated... |
| 19:55.51 | xingu | robin_sz: yep, that's starting to get to the point where directory services become interesting; the next part is working out what matrix of clients you need to support, and what you need to offer them; not all clients can talk ldap, and the ones that do, may have limitations (like for example no update capability |
| 19:55.56 | robin_sz | xingu, in particualr, I work from 2 different offices and home, and I need to be able to see my email .. right now it gets downloaded onto different machines and I lose it as I move around |
| 19:55.56 | DerJamster | stew: that'd be...a rather bad umask ;P |
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| 19:56.05 | peterS | stew: no, he doesn't have umask 600, that would produce directories d--xrwxrwx |
| 19:56.14 | robin_sz | xingu, we use thunderbird |
| 19:56.18 | stew | oh umask, nm me |
| 19:56.23 | DerJamster | roxy_: add debian-multimedia.org to your repository |
| 19:56.27 | elik | peters, I dont know exactly, how do I check that? |
| 19:56.27 | DerJamster | roxy_: it has win32 codecs |
| 19:56.36 | peterS | elik: type "umask" |
| 19:56.39 | elik | peterS, other dirs come up correctly |
| 19:56.43 | roxy_ | DerJamster: are you sure it got it for amd64 testing ? |
| 19:56.50 | peterS | elik: by default I think it says 0022, so if that's what you have it would not explain .gnome |
| 19:56.56 | elik | 0022 |
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| 19:57.24 | DerJamster | roxy_: http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
| 19:57.25 | peterS | I have no idea why a program would choose to create a directory like .gnome without the x bit set |
| 19:57.30 | DerJamster | quote: 'For etch (testing) alpha, amd64, hppa, i386, ia64, powerpc and sparc packages |
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| 19:58.05 | elik | peterS, pretty strange... |
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| 19:58.26 | roxy_ | DerJamster: I'll have another look, I couldn't find it. thanks |
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| 19:58.46 | DerJamster | win32codecs is the package. |
| 19:58.55 | muh2000 | locked my self out cannot login with root or any users. |
| 19:59.00 | DerJamster | try deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org testing main |
| 19:59.05 | elik | peterS, other thing that is funny is that the dir is empty |
| 19:59.12 | DerJamster | muh2000: boot from a live cd |
| 19:59.17 | rodolfo | hello when i try to do make with the pack ipw3495 i get the folliwing output http://rafb.net/paste/results/OYgqDl18.html |
| 19:59.26 | DerJamster | muh2000: then mount your / partition, chroot into it and passwd |
| 19:59.35 | cydork | DerJamster, it's w32codecs.. |
| 19:59.40 | DerJamster | ah, yes :> |
| 19:59.42 | elik | peterS, pretty sure it's nethack that created it then... other stuff is in .gnome2 |
| 19:59.49 | peterS | perhaps |
| 19:59.52 | elik | anyway, chmoded it and now it works... |
| 19:59.53 | cydork | muh2000, /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 20:00.18 | muh2000 | DerJamster i havent changed my password. i tried to be able to login with ldap and changed something wrong i think |
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| 20:05.07 | reanjr | Anyone good with network troubleshooting? I can't get Debian to get a DHCP lease. DHCPDISCOVER doesn't receive a response, though Windows on the same machine does. |
| 20:05.54 | muh2000 | cydork: passwd no such file or directory. it is something with the pam stuff i think. (i configured something there.....) |
| 20:06.16 | cydork | s/configured/screwed up/ |
| 20:06.55 | cydork | muh2000, echo $PATH |
| 20:07.08 | muh2000 | yes screwed up destroyed. whatever. the result is i cannot login :( |
| 20:07.24 | muh2000 | cydork echo $PATH ? |
| 20:07.45 | muh2000 | pam_ldap.conf pam.d somewhere |
| 20:08.11 | muh2000 | i can read that the programs do not find the useres they are used to take... like user gdm is missing or proxy etc |
| 20:08.49 | cydork | muh2000, the error is no file or directory so if it's there /usr/bin/passwd |
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| 20:09.32 | sanmarcos | can one create symlinks through ftp? |
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| 20:10.43 | [sr] | hi |
| 20:10.58 | [sr] | how to enable mysql suport for mod_dbd in debian packages? :P |
| 20:11.16 | bkhl | sanmarcos: if the FTP server supports it, yes. |
| 20:11.19 | peterS | [sr]: you'll have to download the source for libaprutil1 and enable it |
| 20:11.38 | bkhl | sanmarcos: ProFTPD supports it, for instance |
| 20:11.41 | [sr] | peterS hum |
| 20:11.45 | [sr] | going to dinner |
| 20:11.45 | crono- | reanjr: what serves your dhcp? |
| 20:11.46 | [sr] | w8 |
| 20:11.47 | [sr] | brb |
| 20:11.48 | peterS | [sr]: for licensing reasons, you probably shouldn't redistribute your package to third parties, though. just like debian can't |
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| 20:11.53 | sanmarcos | bkhl, what about pure? |
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| 20:12.02 | bkhl | sanmarcos: then you're out of luck. |
| 20:12.08 | [sr] | peters ya i saw that in INSTALL.MySQL |
| 20:12.09 | [sr] | :( |
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| 20:13.13 | crono- | reanjr: you could try using ethereal to see if the dhclient is ignoring responses due to past ips, or use arping to see if you're on the network, mii-tool to check the line if its hard-wire, its hard to give better advice with so little information |
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| 20:14.10 | reanjr | crono- not sure what serves dhcp. Unfortunately I cant install any packages without network access :) Ill try to d/l etheral on another machine and try that out |
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| 20:14.20 | stew | reanjr: try sending a hostname by editing /etc/dhclient.conf (man dhclient.conf) |
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| 20:14.29 | [sr] | peters what do you sugest, the libaprutil1 from debian sources or apache? |
| 20:14.41 | peterS | [sr]: from debian sources, probably |
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| 20:14.47 | [sr] | oki :) |
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| 20:15.56 | peterS | [sr]: install libmysqlclient15-dev or whatever and add some appropriate word to the ./configure line in libaprutil1 debian/rules |
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| 20:17.53 | peterS | [sr]: oh - also, follow the instructions in INSTALL.MySQL, I guess I didn't really have to mention that part since you already read that file |
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| 20:24.36 | muh2000 | cydork /usr/bin/passwd: /usr/bin/passwd No such file or directory |
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| 20:26.18 | cydork | muh2000, what about other files there? |
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| 20:27.27 | muh2000 | cydork what kind of files do you mean. what does "passwd root" exactly do ? changing password? i can read a line while booting "user root not found"..... |
| 20:28.29 | cydork | muh2000, do ls -l /usr/bin/passwd |
| 20:29.32 | muh2000 | cydork again with grub-> e -> init=/bin/sh etc...? i am booting a live cd now. i think that is a bit better? |
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| 20:30.02 | [sr] | smappers:| |
| 20:30.04 | [sr] | spammers |
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| 20:31.25 | sqrxz | is there a command to refresh .bashrc without reboot? |
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| 20:31.49 | cydork | muh2000, where were you typing those commands? |
| 20:31.57 | cydork | sqrxz, open a new terminal.. |
| 20:32.41 | SerajewelKS | are there any plans to package MySql Connector/Net for debian? |
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| 20:32.59 | sqrxz | cydork: oh :o |
| 20:33.15 | sanmarcos | does anybody know anything comparable to iptraf that runs on winshit? |
| 20:33.37 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: wireshark maybe? |
| 20:33.43 | muh2000 | cydork: grub loaded -> i selected my kernel and pressed "e" -> i selected the lin with vmlinuz and again "e" -> then i added the lines ->"enter" ->"b" -> kernel booted. but i think it could be a problem because /usr is on /dev/sda6... |
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| 20:34.05 | muh2000 | well live cd is booted |
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| 20:34.16 | sanmarcos | SerajewelKS, thanks, I am tracking down a s.o.b who is slowing our network down |
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| 20:34.38 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: wireshark should do fine then |
| 20:34.42 | SerajewelKS | !info wireshark |
| 20:34.51 | dpkg | wireshark: (network traffic analyzer), section net, is optional. Version: 0.99.4-3 (sid), Packaged size: 550 kB, Installed size: 1532 kB |
| 20:34.56 | Flimzy | sanmarcos: Hmm... You mean Debian GNU/Windows, right? |
| 20:35.07 | SerajewelKS | GTK+ UI, cross platform |
| 20:35.15 | sanmarcos | of course |
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| 20:40.19 | yogurt2ungue | Hello people |
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| 20:40.54 | vostorga | !seen kirlian |
| 20:40.55 | dpkg | vostorga: i haven't seen 'kirlian' |
| 20:41.00 | vostorga | !seen kzepeda |
| 20:41.00 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'kzepeda', vostorga |
| 20:41.04 | asg | vostorga: /msg the bot |
| 20:41.08 | yogurt2ungue | did you see the system log message "kernel: UDP: short packet: From X.X.X.X" |
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| 20:44.48 | JohnRobert | I've just installed debian etch..my sound works ok, but /dev/mixer is missing..any ideas on how I can get it there...perhaps I'm missing an important package? |
| 20:45.05 | Flimzy | Are there any tools out there to retrieve e-mail from Exchange OWA into a Unix mail server? A fetchmail type of tool, or something? |
| 20:45.25 | sanmarcos | Flimzy, yes cp |
| 20:45.34 | Flimzy | cp? |
| 20:45.35 | asg | Flimzy: exchange can be configured to provide imap |
| 20:45.47 | Flimzy | asg: Can be... if you have administrative access. |
| 20:46.01 | asg | Flimzy: contact you admin, bribe with chocolates. |
| 20:46.06 | Flimzy | tehehe |
| 20:46.22 | asg | Flimzy: evolution also has some plugin that I think works with OWA but iirc, it's unencrypted. |
| 20:46.29 | Flimzy | Yeah, I use the Evolution plugin. |
| 20:46.41 | Flimzy | Trying to get this working for a buddy who doesn't use a Linux desktop, tho |
| 20:46.54 | Flimzy | would also be nice to dump it into my own IMAP |
| 20:47.13 | muh2000 | cydork: could a typo be responsible for the login problem ? |
| 20:47.23 | muh2000 | in nsswitch.conf? |
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| 20:48.34 | liri | asg: yeah evoltion works with owa |
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| 20:49.24 | asg | Flimzy: another thing that you can do is create a contact in Exchange to forward your mail to a more civilized MTA that will deposit it into a maildir. |
| 20:49.31 | Ryushin | Okay, I have a box that's been compromised. Before I reload it, I want to figure out how he's getting in. I've run rkhunter and chkrootkit and that shows clean. Run debsums and those show clean. The way I know he's getting in is that he binding another service to port 80, on top of apache somehow. I have a script that lsof's port 80 every minute, and I have it e-mail the result of "who -a" and the lsof entires. From what I can tell, |
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| 20:49.32 | Ryushin | he's never logged into a shell. How can I find how he's getting in? |
| 20:49.40 | Flimzy | asg: Yeah, I've done that before at a previous employer, too. |
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| 20:51.01 | jelly-home | Ryushin: got any php web apps on that machine? |
| 20:51.08 | Ryushin | Because lsof tells me the process, I can go into /proc and look at the process. I've been nuking his stuff every chance I can get. |
| 20:51.13 | Ryushin | jelly-home: yep |
| 20:51.45 | jelly-home | Ryushin: bet ya the initial vector was one of those |
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| 20:52.19 | Ryushin | Wonderful. Do you think that is how he's still getting in? |
| 20:52.33 | jelly-home | Ryushin: check access log for things like foo.php?include=http://some.remote.host/blah.txt |
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| 20:53.18 | yang | I am wondering why do i get You don't have permission to access /cgi-bin/mailman on a fresh installation of mailman? |
| 20:53.27 | yang | i get this in browser |
| 20:53.36 | Ryushin | jelly-home: Okay, thanks. Time to use grep |
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| 20:54.15 | jelly-home | Ryushin: check out mod_security later to prevent it from happening |
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| 20:55.01 | Caelum | how do you type a 0 with a line through it? |
| 20:55.04 | dimes | Hello all, Could someone tell me what(if any) replacement there was for apt-setup in etch? |
| 20:55.28 | asg | dimes: /usr/share/doc/apt/examples/sources.list |
| 20:55.34 | jelly-home | Caelum: choose a font that has 0 with a line through it? |
| 20:55.46 | Caelum | dimes: /msg dpkg apt-setup |
| 20:56.01 | Caelum | jelly-home: I mean the math character for empty set |
| 20:56.03 | dimes | was there a reason to get rid of it? It has worked so well for so long? Just curious |
| 20:56.18 | Ryushin | jelly-home: Thanks. |
| 20:56.29 | abrotman | dimes: it was part of the base-config .. which got killed off .. others have asked for apt-setup to be split out into its own package |
| 20:56.40 | jelly-home | Caelum: that's not a zero, probably has its own entry in unicode |
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| 20:57.37 | dimes | abrotman: Is htere any place I may "cast my vote" to have it back? Or do you think there is plenty enough call for it back? |
| 20:57.52 | abrotman | dimes: just requires someone to do it .. they know it's needed |
| 20:57.58 | dimes | ahh |
| 20:58.05 | dimes | abrotman: Thank you |
| 20:58.11 | dimes | and eveyone else for the answers |
| 20:58.18 | jelly-home | abrotman: does "someone" have to be a dd? |
| 20:58.53 | gnudo | is anyone here running sarge using gizmo on a low spec laptop P233? i can not find the minimum hardware requirements on the gizmo website! |
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| 21:00.49 | abrotman | jelly-home: you can get it sponsored easily |
| 21:01.17 | abrotman | jelly-home: mentors.debian.net .. instructions on how to do it |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: there are enough DDs in here .. and you're around enough that if you asked one of them .. i'm sure they'd sponsor it |
| 21:02.09 | jelly-home | abrotman: yeah, I've already taken a look at mentors.d.o |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | jelly-home: alternately .. apply for NM .. do it yourself |
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| 21:02.09 | abrotman | !stormix |
| 21:02.09 | dpkg | [stormix] a company that makes a commercial linux distribution based on debian, and gives the work back to the community. http://www.stormix.com/, or filed bankruptcy |
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| 21:03.22 | jelly-home | Caelum: This? ∅ |
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| 21:04.07 | dimes | ok, so this is my first time messing with amd64, and its been years since I ran ppc, what does a sources line look like? Doesn't it have "arch" in it? Thanks again |
| 21:04.22 | abrotman | no .. no arch needed |
| 21:04.24 | jelly-home | Caelum: I used kcharselect to find it. Table 34, Unicode code point 2205 |
| 21:04.25 | abrotman | dpkg-architecture |
| 21:04.39 | dimes | didn't there use to be? |
| 21:04.51 | dimes | or am i just loosing it? |
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| 21:04.55 | dimes | which is possible |
| 21:05.00 | abrotman | uhm .. not since i've been using debian .. i don't think .. and that's .. 8 years? |
| 21:05.18 | dimes | fair nuff |
| 21:05.27 | honschu | Hi, is this correct? "dd if=/dev/sda6 of=/tmp/sda6_crypt1_dats_image.img" - or do I have to specify a block-size? |
| 21:06.20 | dimes | honschu: might want to add bs=512 |
| 21:06.27 | petemc | honschu: specifying a largeise bytesize would make it faster |
| 21:06.34 | petemc | largish |
| 21:06.38 | dimes | honschu: just to make it as efficient as possible |
| 21:06.39 | honschu | dimes: how do I know that it's 512? |
| 21:06.50 | muh2000 | libra didnt find something about idap |
| 21:06.50 | petemc | i would use something closer to the disks cache size |
| 21:07.03 | dimes | petemc: agreed |
| 21:07.04 | honschu | dimes: This has nothing to do with the block-size of the harddrive? |
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| 21:07.26 | Caelum | jelly-home: I'll try that, thank you! |
| 21:07.35 | dimes | honschu: only sorta, not how it actually writes, but how big the blocks are moving at a time |
| 21:07.42 | honschu | petemc: Is it possible to find out the disk cache size just with a command? |
| 21:07.58 | lunaphyte_ | how can i force a file to stay owned by a certain user, even if someone in it's group edits it? |
| 21:08.03 | honschu | dimes: Ah, thx - I understand now |
| 21:09.14 | dimes | honschu: a disk has two numbers you are concerned about thoughmost only talk about one. The one everyone knows is bytes/sec |
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| 21:09.18 | dimes | honschu: the other is IOPS |
| 21:09.27 | dimes | honschu: operations per second |
| 21:09.46 | lumpy | lunaphyte_: afaik ext3 lacks this feature |
| 21:09.50 | honschu | dimes: ;) I even don't know the bytes/sec of my device ;) |
| 21:09.55 | dimes | honschu: so even if the disk can sustain 20mb/sec and you do little tiny datamoves |
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| 21:10.21 | dimes | honschu: you use up the disks IOPS before you reach peak transfer in bytes |
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| 21:10.53 | dimes | honschu: go with bs=1024 unless someone here thinks a higher number is better |
| 21:11.09 | lunaphyte_ | lumpy: could this be done with setfacl? |
| 21:11.11 | honschu | dimes: ok, I will - thanks |
| 21:11.23 | muh2000 | cydork: problem solved. it was the typo in "nsswitch.conf" |
| 21:11.48 | jelly-home | lunaphyte_: I thought the file would always keep the owner... unless the editor replaced it with a new file. |
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| 21:12.27 | lunaphyte_ | jelly-home: i think you are right. looks like either samba or my editor is doing this. |
| 21:12.28 | Caelum | jelly-home: what font did you use btw? All I see for 2205 is an empty box |
| 21:13.04 | jelly-home | Caelum: Lucida Sans Unicode. It might be something from Windows. |
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| 21:15.43 | honschu | dimes: wow: 4499195904 bytes (4.5 GB) copied, 185.215 seconds, 24.3 MB/s |
| 21:15.58 | honschu | does this image fits on a dvd? |
| 21:16.00 | jelly-home | Caelum: FreeSerif/FreeSans/FreeMono also have it but they're rather ugly, dejavu sans has it too and it's free. |
| 21:16.18 | Flimzy | honschu: Well that's a simple question to answer. |
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| 21:17.04 | honschu | Flimzy: I just bought a dvd-rw today, and the rw says 4,7GB - but is this correct? |
| 21:17.19 | abrotman | is it dual layer? |
| 21:17.24 | Flimzy | honschu: I'm sure it is. But then there's the question of "how do you define GB?" |
| 21:17.25 | honschu | no |
| 21:17.38 | Flimzy | dual layer is ~9gb |
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| 21:17.58 | jelly-home | make that 8.5 ;-) |
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| 21:18.03 | honschu | Flimzy: Yes, I think they define it in another way than "df -h" does... isn't it? |
| 21:18.10 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Again, it depends on your definition of "GB" |
| 21:18.17 | jelly-home | honschu: there's df -h and df -H |
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| 21:18.32 | honschu | jelly-home: Cool - thanks! |
| 21:18.36 | Flimzy | honschu: df -h is defined as 1024 units per kilounit... but also does not take into account FS overhead. |
| 21:18.51 | Flimzy | honschu: Chances are 4.7GB assumes 1000 units per kilounit, and also does not account for FS overhead. |
| 21:18.55 | jelly-home | Flimzy: That's why GiB nomenclature was invented, I suppose. |
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| 21:19.18 | Flimzy | jelly-home: Yes, but how many DVD marketing companies use that? |
| 21:19.25 | jelly-home | none, of course |
| 21:19.33 | Flimzy | jelly-home: exactly :) |
| 21:19.34 | jelly-home | same with HDD vendors |
| 21:19.38 | Trewas | the size of DVD media is 4.7 GBs real GBs (si-units), not 4.7 GiB... quite confusing as CD-media uses binary units, so 80min CD is 700MiB |
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| 21:20.06 | jelly-home | Trewas: errr... GiB are also SI. ;-) |
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| 21:20.28 | Trewas | but using G for 2^30 is not :) |
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| 21:20.58 | jelly-home | Trewas: right. Though I won't demean myself by using gibibytes. ;-) |
| 21:21.23 | Caelum | jelly-home: too bad there's no unicode bitstream vera sans mono, my favorite font :) |
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| 21:21.42 | Trewas | it's IMO beyond stupid to use binary units for file or media sizes... too bad I seem to be alone :P |
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| 21:21.59 | jelly-home | Caelum: DejaVu is Vera with small tweaks and some fixes AFAICT |
| 21:22.03 | Caelum | ahh |
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| 21:22.57 | mgoetze | can someone help me with sasl/kerberos? when i try to access my ldap database, say by doing "ldapsearch", i get a ticket for ldap/host@REALM, however it says: "ldap_sasl_interactive_bind_s: Internal (implementation specific) error (80) additional info: SASL(-1): generic failure: GSSAPI Error: Miscellaneous failure (Permission denied)" |
| 21:24.04 | jelly-home | Caelum: see apt-cache shoe ttf-dejavu |
| 21:24.09 | jelly-home | *show* |
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| 21:24.45 | dimes | jelly-home: ahhahaah, I was totaly going to run it to find out about this "new" command shoe |
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| 21:24.58 | jelly-home | dimes: moo! |
| 21:25.07 | dimes | Im just sheep sometimes |
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| 21:28.02 | Caelum | apt-get moo # works :) |
| 21:28.34 | dimes | ha |
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| 21:28.50 | Eulex | !apt-build moo |
| 21:28.51 | Guerin | but aptitude doesn't have super cow powers |
| 21:28.51 | dpkg | apt-build moo is, like, ..."Have you danced today? Discow!"... |
| 21:28.54 | Guerin | really it doesn't |
| 21:28.55 | Eulex | !aptitude moo |
| 21:28.56 | dpkg | well, aptitude moo is a hidden thingy... try aptitude moo with -v option, or with -vv or -vvv and so on... ;) |
| 21:29.05 | Guerin | bah |
| 21:29.08 | Guerin | ruin the surprise |
| 21:29.26 | Guerin | dpkg, no, aptitude moo is a hidden thingy... |
| 21:29.26 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 21:29.37 | Guerin | !botsnack |
| 21:29.37 | dpkg | Guerin: :) |
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| 21:31.21 | g00se | Why does egrep -P ... always give me the error "grep: conflicting matchers specified"? |
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| 21:32.16 | xingu | g00se: file `which egrep` |
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| 21:32.37 | stew | g00se: becuase egrep is just grep -E and -E and -P are conflicting, you must choose between perl regular expressions or extended regular expressions |
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| 21:32.51 | stew | g00se: you likely just want grep -P |
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| 21:33.20 | g00se | stew: Why then does egrep *have* the -P parameter? |
| 21:34.15 | danIG | Hi folx, I never realized the windows supporters are such %&$/&% even on free support on IRC... |
| 21:34.23 | blondie | g00se: egrep just calls grep -E |
| 21:34.26 | danIG | I am glad I use #debian |
| 21:34.36 | stew | g00se: egrep is just grep, run "cat /bin/egrep" |
| 21:34.50 | muh2000 | loging off takes very long. another user doesnt has this problem. in syslog there is : QUERY_LOGOUT_ACTION denied........ |
| 21:35.14 | g00se | stew: i didn't know that, but my last question surely still stands..? |
| 21:35.29 | blondie | no |
| 21:35.42 | stew | g00se: grep has the -P parameter to specify that the regular expression is a perlre |
| 21:35.42 | blondie | egrep is literally grep -E |
| 21:35.57 | xingu | g00se: file a bug, find out what the maintainer thinks |
| 21:36.03 | stew | its not a bug |
| 21:36.03 | Guerin | no |
| 21:36.06 | Guerin | this is not a bug |
| 21:36.15 | Guerin | this is an ID-10-T error |
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| 21:37.06 | xingu | the manpage is defective, it should spell it out for those of limited powers of deductive reasoning |
| 21:37.15 | blondie | it isn't really |
| 21:37.18 | stew | xingu: the manpage does spell it out |
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| 21:37.22 | g00se | Well if egrep==grep -E then no wonder there is a conflict. Why then, he asks again, should there be a -P parameter in egrep? |
| 21:37.23 | Guerin | no |
| 21:37.26 | blondie | "egrep is the same as grep -E." |
| 21:37.34 | Guerin | those of limited deductive reasoning should develop that skill |
| 21:37.35 | stew | xingu: "egrep is the same as grep -E." |
| 21:37.42 | Guerin | it is a skill, not some innate magical ability |
| 21:37.43 | blondie | g00se: BECAUSE egrep is grep -E |
| 21:37.51 | stew | g00se: becuase there is a -P parameter in grep |
| 21:37.55 | jerome | good evening all. I have some problems with lftp and ftps. On ls, it says : gnutls_handshake: A record packet with illegal version was received. |
| 21:38.02 | blondie | g00se: egrep isn't a seperate program, it just calls grep -e. |
| 21:38.20 | blondie | -E even. |
| 21:38.33 | g00se | blondie: you can see i've got that point |
| 21:38.41 | blondie | g00se: obviously you haven't |
| 21:38.42 | honschu | Hi, I have a "sda6_crypt1.img" of my partition and would like to burn this 4.2G file to a DVD. But with "mkisofs -R -o sda6_crypt1.iso sda6_crypt1.img" I get an error that the file is too big. So do I need a iso to burn a dvd ... |
| 21:38.42 | honschu | with jus an image? |
| 21:38.44 | stew | g00se: what do you propose the egrep do when passed a -P then? complain that it is an invalid parameter? |
| 21:38.45 | Flimzy | Does anyone know which driver(s) the Intel 108c and 109a ethernet controllers need in Linux? |
| 21:38.46 | xingu | I don't see anything in the manpage that explicitly states that -E and -P are conflicting options |
| 21:38.48 | Guerin | jerome: is your client and server set to use the same secure protocol? |
| 21:38.50 | xingu | and that is a bug |
| 21:38.51 | Jostein | tell me |
| 21:39.00 | g00se | stew: why not? |
| 21:39.15 | blondie | g00se: egrep doesn't have the argument -P. grep does. the man page says that "egrep = grep -E"Â |
| 21:39.22 | xingu | also, the --help could use a little work in that department |
| 21:39.25 | Guerin | xingu: no, it's not. Thinking it is would be a lack of understanding of what a regex and a perl regex is, which is information the author can realistically presume. |
| 21:39.39 | blondie | xingu: logic says they are. |
| 21:39.41 | stew | g00se: i don't know why not. that is in fact exactly what it does |
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| 21:40.11 | xingu | hey, I'm capable of working it out, as evidenced by my reply to the poor sap earlier |
| 21:40.21 | xingu | but there's no indication in --help or manpage that the options conflict |
| 21:40.34 | xingu | and if one has no deductive reasoning capability, that's a problem. |
| 21:40.42 | blondie | people using grep should have some basic reasoning skills ;) |
| 21:40.47 | jerome | Guerin: I don't have information abut the server ... but I guessed lftp should adapt to the encryption algos. (btw it ftps not sftp in case it was your question). |
| 21:40.50 | xingu | they should, and sometimes don't. |
| 21:41.00 | Guerin | xingu: if one has no deductive reasoning capability, one needs to not be using complex software. |
| 21:41.02 | stew | xingu: submit a patch to the manpage |
| 21:41.14 | blondie | xingu: ah well |
| 21:41.24 | Guerin | jerome: no, i'm thinking about ssl v1,2,3 - but I can't remember if tls even has such complexities. |
| 21:41.26 | jerome | Guerin: it seems to be a frequent issue with gnutls |
| 21:41.29 | xingu | stew: ... and --help, there's grammar for specifying either/or conditionals in usage too |
| 21:41.30 | g00se | man entry posted in #flood |
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| 21:41.50 | Guerin | jerome: i get issues like this with mutt sometimes when a network connection is reset or timers out. |
| 21:42.09 | dimes | Thanks all |
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| 21:42.19 | xingu | having said that, good luck getting upstream to merge such a patch |
| 21:42.40 | xingu | they'll probably flame your ass and point out that the info page is a work of art |
| 21:42.51 | g00se | stew: But thanks. I'll use grep -P later and give it a good testing |
| 21:43.15 | stew | xingu: grep doens't provide an info page |
| 21:43.24 | groogs__ | I have a drive (that i use for nightly differential backups) that was mounted as read-only, due to errors.. i ran badblocks on it, which found nothing, and then fsck to fix the issues. ran a couple backup scripts (/etc/ and another small dir), and then fsck again ,and it found a bunch of errors.. is this drive cooked? |
| 21:44.28 | amphi | groogs__: try running smartctl on it perhaps |
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| 21:45.06 | honschu | How to burn a harddisk-image file larger than 4 GB? |
| 21:45.18 | rumpl | with a bigger fire |
| 21:45.34 | honschu | lol |
| 21:45.47 | honschu | to a DVD |
| 21:45.55 | rumpl | Other than that, I don't know. |
| 21:46.46 | groogs__ | amphi: ok thanks, i'll take a look |
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| 21:48.19 | amphi | groogs__: smartmontools is the ;a |
| 21:48.23 | amphi | er, package |
| 21:48.48 | groogs__ | yep, just waiting for selftest stuff to complete |
| 21:50.12 | Trewas | honschu: is9660 has 1GiB filesize limit, so you'll have to split the image to smaller pieces, or use some other filesystem on the dvd |
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| 21:53.40 | honschu | Trewas: I just want to burn my harddisk-image to a dvd, so do I need a filesystem? |
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| 21:54.04 | honschu | Trewas: What about "growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/dev/sda6" ? |
| 21:54.45 | odla | honschu: a bootable .iso? or could you zip it? |
| 21:55.03 | honschu | odla: no, just for backup |
| 21:55.46 | abrotman | !info bootdisk |
| 21:55.51 | abrotman | grr .. what is it |
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| 21:56.25 | abrotman | !info bootcd sarge |
| 21:56.29 | dpkg | bootcd: (run your system from cd without need for disks), section utils, is extra. Version: 2.48 (sarge), Packaged size: 49 kB, Installed size: 208 kB |
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| 21:57.12 | Caelum | vigor doesn't seem to work :( |
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| 22:00.43 | odla | lenny, eh? |
| 22:01.18 | cydork | odla, yep :) |
| 22:01.51 | odla | didn't even know that was a character...i only think of 'of mice and men' |
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| 22:02.42 | admin123 | How do I disable dhcp aand configuring of static network configuration? I'm using kickstart to start the installer, but it always searches for dhcp, and if not found it asks me to configure my network. |
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| 22:02.43 | Trewas | odla: I thought they changed to simpsons characters |
| 22:02.49 | cydork | admin123, kickstart? |
| 22:02.55 | odla | Trewas: ha ha |
| 22:03.00 | george | admin123: define "it" (in -this-/-your- context) |
| 22:03.03 | odla | Trewas: debian 5.0 'homer' |
| 22:03.08 | admin123 | cydork, right, i meant preseed. |
| 22:03.10 | Caelum | admin123: install a dhcp server :) |
| 22:03.24 | odla | lenny is the binocular character |
| 22:03.52 | Caelum | kickstart is a redhat thing isn't it? |
| 22:03.56 | george | so he got -two- eyes?? strange... |
| 22:04.20 | odla | george: *cough cough* |
| 22:04.28 | admin123 | the debian installer allows me to configure preseed, so I put preseed to answer my questions etc.. etc. . However it always searches for dhcp during install, i want to skipp this 'section', since it is not relevant to the instalation and it breaks the automated install with questions. |
| 22:04.55 | admin123 | !preseed |
| 22:04.56 | dpkg | somebody said preseed was a method of doing a remote network installation, ask abrotman for details, or http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/394, or http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/Preseed |
| 22:04.57 | george | ahh, so "it" for you is the installer |
| 22:05.17 | admin123 | abrotman, your there? |
| 22:05.19 | abrotman | some day i'll figure out why i'm mentioned |
| 22:05.39 | shingouz | because you're always here |
| 22:05.41 | admin123 | abrotman, how can I skip the networking configuration section during install with preseed? |
| 22:05.45 | cydork | admin123, what about netcfg/disable_dhcp boot option? |
| 22:05.56 | abrotman | admin123: do expert install |
| 22:06.07 | admin123 | cydork, then it would go to static configuration right? |
| 22:06.18 | george | hmm, if that's exactly accurate, then preseed is a -network- thing and therefore requires... umm... a.. network |
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| 22:06.30 | Cope | george: !!!! |
| 22:06.36 | admin123 | george, if you think that, then your misinformed. |
| 22:06.40 | abrotman | i think you can feed preseed from a floppy |
| 22:06.49 | admin123 | and you can put it on the cd also |
| 22:06.51 | george | tell that to whoever wrote that factoid |
| 22:07.03 | admin123 | you just have to run mkisofs again :P |
| 22:07.15 | cydork | abrotman, you think?? then who wrote that factoid? :P |
| 22:07.20 | george | if you were to reread what I said, you will find that I was exactly informed |
| 22:07.32 | abrotman | cydork: no freaking clue |
| 22:07.35 | abrotman | !factinfo preseed |
| 22:07.36 | dpkg | preseed -- last modified at Thu Oct 5 17:29:39 2006 by cydork!n=vihang@gridtutorial15.ba.infn.it; it has been requested 8 times, last by admin123, 2m 40s ago. |
| 22:07.44 | abrotman | guess we know who wrote it |
| 22:07.54 | george | no |
| 22:07.59 | george | we know who last altered it |
| 22:08.06 | abrotman | no kidding .. really? |
| 22:08.12 | admin123 | lol |
| 22:08.13 | george | :) |
| 22:08.15 | abrotman | SDNWOTW |
| 22:08.16 | george | really :) |
| 22:08.28 | cydork | abrotman, hell no! i just added the wiki man .. |
| 22:08.43 | george | sheesh, jump all over me for -your- mistake, why don |
| 22:08.46 | george | 't you... |
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| 22:10.06 | abrotman | bring back rcox! |
| 22:10.08 | stew | crashy crashy |
| 22:10.11 | norc | I have a problem. Is it possible to write a script that listens on port 80, that terminates itself and starts another process when a request is being sent on port 80? |
| 22:10.31 | george | norc: you just invented inetd |
| 22:10.47 | norc | oh.. |
| 22:10.57 | norc | george: wow.. thank you oO |
| 22:11.05 | norc | Didn't expect it to be *that* easy |
| 22:11.16 | george | but in direct answer to your question, yes, I believe it is possible, and fairly easy too |
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| 22:11.36 | norc | But I guess inetd is exactly designed and optimized for this work |
| 22:11.42 | norc | Think it will do fine. Thanks |
| 22:11.49 | george | one useful scripting language you can do it in woudl be perl |
| 22:12.00 | norc | yeah |
| 22:12.05 | george | useful mainly because it's got all the stuff in it for that |
| 22:12.07 | norc | george: But I wasn't sure if that was a good idea |
| 22:12.15 | norc | like.. writing such a script |
| 22:12.23 | george | meetoo, but it is what you asked for :) |
| 22:12.29 | norc | well yes. :) |
| 22:12.55 | george | I mean it might be a good way to learn about sockets |
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| 22:13.06 | mirak | is there a way to have better log for apt-get ? |
| 22:13.13 | mirak | more verbosing |
| 22:13.19 | cydork | mirak, use aptitude ? |
| 22:13.25 | george | mmm... butter log... |
| 22:13.31 | mirak | it doesn't work for build-deps cydork |
| 22:13.46 | g00se | stew: FYI "grep: The -P option is not supported" |
| 22:13.48 | george | how do you meanb |
| 22:14.14 | stew | g00se: that is expected for gnu grep |
| 22:14.38 | cydork | mirak, afaik i know there was a perl script by peterS which did that build-dep part... |
| 22:14.40 | norc | george: well, I know the basics about sockets, I guess I could do such a thing without any major problem |
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| 22:14.56 | norc | but thats only a guess |
| 22:14.57 | norc | :) |
| 22:14.57 | peterS | http://p12n.org/hacks/#aptitude-build-dep |
| 22:15.06 | george | it really depends on what your goal is exactly |
| 22:15.09 | mirak | cydork: I will use pbuilder |
| 22:15.10 | g00se | stew: at the risk of sounding predictable, why, in that case, is it show in the man page? |
| 22:15.12 | peterS | I can't remember if it actually works at the moment, unfortunately |
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| 22:16.01 | Flimzy | Is anyone familiar enough with the Intel 82573V/L chipset to explain why the e1000 module will load and detect one of these onboard chipsets, but not the other one? |
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| 22:18.53 | peterS | Flimzy: huh - what kernel? 2.6.17 e1000 _claims_ to handle both chips |
| 22:19.20 | zenwryly | I have an application that wants the Python 2.2 gtk module. When I "aptitude install python-gtk2" or "python-gtk-1.2" I only get python 2.3 or 2.4 modules. Is there anyway to get the 2.2 module? I'm running unstable. |
| 22:19.23 | peterS | Flimzy: (that's from 'modinfo e1000 | grep -i 0000108b' and 'modinfo e1000 | grep -i 0000109a') |
| 22:19.28 | Flimzy | peterS: *ahem* 2.4.20, actually. |
| 22:19.43 | Flimzy | I'll check the same thing on this version, then. |
| 22:19.49 | peterS | Flimzy: heh. it's probably just a matter of adding a PCI ID line to the driver source, then. |
| 22:20.16 | peterS | (108b being the 82573V, 109a being 82573L) |
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| 22:21.35 | Flimzy | peterS: I see. lspci reports these as 108c and 109a |
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| 22:22.11 | peterS | Flimzy: ahh - that one is in 2.6.17 too (: |
| 22:22.15 | robin_sz | ok, lets pretend im stupid .... |
| 22:22.47 | robin_sz | if I have some sort of imap server ... how does the mail get into the little boxes where imap keeps mails then? |
| 22:22.52 | peterS | the lack of apostrophes helps a great deal with the pretense |
| 22:22.55 | robin_sz | do the pixies put it there? |
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| 22:23.16 | george | robin_sz: 1 is the lonliest number that you ever do... 2 can be as bad as one, it's the lonliest number it's the number 1... |
| 22:23.25 | radical_ | robin_sz: i guess there is a MOV instruction involved |
| 22:23.26 | jnguy | Hello all |
| 22:23.30 | peterS | robin_sz: the pixies work for your MTA, 'mail transfer agent', a separate piece of software. and the MDA, 'mail delivery agent', sometimes integrated into the MTA |
| 22:23.30 | abrotman | robin_sz: gerbils |
| 22:23.34 | jnguy | has rescue been removed from the cd images? |
| 22:23.46 | george | robin_sz: imap is remote |
| 22:23.48 | robin_sz | somehow, I dont hink you lot are taking this seriously |
| 22:24.16 | peterS | robin_sz: the MTA is something like 'exim4' or 'postfix', the MDA is either integrated, or 'mail' or 'procmail' or similar |
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| 22:24.57 | jnguy | anyone? |
| 22:25.00 | jnguy | rescue mode? |
| 22:25.01 | robin_sz | george, I was going to run some sort of imap thing on a box in the office, as a sort of cetral mailstore, avoid people keeping mails on un-backed-up desktops |
| 22:25.38 | odla | sweet iceweasel 2.0 in incoming! |
| 22:25.48 | robin_sz | jnguy, i think its not on the netinst cds anymore, I thought it was on the full blown install cds .. but I could be wrong |
| 22:25.53 | george | jnguy: effectively, yes... they crippled tar (by removing c) and removed vfat support... tools that can be important to -rescue- and -repair- a system, tar c being also important if you want to move things around |
| 22:26.03 | jnguy | erff. |
| 22:26.05 | jnguy | thanks guys. |
| 22:26.09 | jnguy | any known alternatives? |
| 22:26.18 | jnguy | I just want to be able to do a resuce root=/dev/...blah |
| 22:26.34 | jnguy | or if there are any other suggestions on how to fix the mbr. |
| 22:26.36 | george | rescue is just the name of a kernel to boot |
| 22:26.45 | jnguy | I don't think lilo will run off a livecd. |
| 22:27.08 | robin_sz | I thought you could still do "linux rescue" at the boot prompt, btu I admit I havemt tried in ages |
| 22:27.09 | george | sure it will, but so will others |
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| 22:27.58 | george | robin_sz: you can do that, but you have to connect the backup batteries to ferrets... |
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| 22:28.21 | george | s/,.*// |
| 22:28.23 | robin_sz | george, hobs or jills? |
| 22:28.51 | cydork | jnguy, you can still mount the hd from the install disk by going going to console by pressing alt+f1/f2.. |
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| 22:28.59 | Flimzy | peterS: 2.6.12... Supports the 108C, but not the 109A according to modinfo. dagnabbit |
| 22:29.04 | jnguy | erf.. |
| 22:29.04 | jnguy | yeah |
| 22:29.06 | sjoerd0 | I got this: g++: Internal error: Killed (program cc1plus), Please submit a full bug report. |
| 22:29.15 | jnguy | but for some reason, lilo still wouldn't run properly. |
| 22:29.51 | amphi | sjoerd0: bad ram maybe? try running it under gdb and see if it always dies in the same place, perhaps |
| 22:29.52 | peterS | Flimzy: seems to have been added in 2.6.15 |
| 22:29.56 | george | sjoerd0: make sure your ram/mobo/video is working properly before submitting such a report |
| 22:29.58 | robin_sz | jnguy, does it just put thr "LI"of LiLo on the boot screen? |
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| 22:30.24 | jnguy | naw, I have grub installed right now |
| 22:30.27 | jnguy | and I hit a 21 error. |
| 22:30.33 | jnguy | and, I honestly don't know squat about grub. |
| 22:30.39 | jnguy | I feel more comfortable with lilo |
| 22:30.49 | george | sjoerd0:: another approach, get someone else to compile what you're compiling and see if they succeed or if they get the same msg |
| 22:30.50 | jnguy | I just tried a knoppix with a root=/dev/ parameter |
| 22:30.52 | robin_sz | grub is nicer, once you get to grips with it |
| 22:30.52 | jnguy | wish me luck! |
| 22:31.01 | jnguy | robin_sz: really? |
| 22:31.05 | jnguy | I'm just so used to lilo. |
| 22:31.13 | jnguy | I remember when grub was the stuff something like 5 years ago. |
| 22:31.13 | george | gripping grub GOOD! |
| 22:31.33 | robin_sz | grub replaced lilo in most places |
| 22:31.33 | Flimzy | peterS: Now I get to learn how to build a new kernel for FC3, and build it into the ISO. |
| 22:31.48 | MatBoy | Does someone know a good alternative for webmin ? |
| 22:31.52 | peterS | oh, fun |
| 22:31.55 | sjoerd0 | george: someone else compiled this succesfully |
| 22:32.05 | robin_sz | MatBoy, yeah its called "the command line" |
| 22:32.16 | cydork | MatBoy, ssh :) |
| 22:32.23 | george | sjoerd0: ok, so now try to determine the differences between your machines |
| 22:32.33 | MatBoy | robin_sz, haha, yeah that is true. But some simple things to do with webdav and users is what I need |
| 22:32.39 | sjoerd0 | george: I have an AMD64, he has an i386. |
| 22:32.40 | raf256 | I need like apt-get upgrade - but that will only install thoes packages which not only do not conflict with others, but which also have no (grave) bugs (known now by apt-listbugs) |
| 22:32.41 | MatBoy | cydork, go and get BEER ! :p |
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| 22:32.54 | cydork | MatBoy, beer? where? :P |
| 22:33.02 | sjoerd0 | george: I'll run it again and see if it crashes again. |
| 22:33.02 | MatBoy | cydork, here here !!! |
| 22:33.06 | MatBoy | Palm ! |
| 22:33.09 | robin_sz | MatBoy, and useradd/adduser/usermod/groups are your friends |
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| 22:33.29 | MatBoy | robin_sz, yes, but I think there are some small tools out there for it ? |
| 22:33.38 | george | sjoerd0: if it breaks in different places every time, you might have hardware problems or not enough ram or something like that |
| 22:33.59 | robin_sz | MatBoy, tools that do the same thing as say adduser? |
| 22:34.22 | sjoerd0 | george: Could be a memory problem, because my computer became really slow just before it happened. I have no swap spac.e |
| 22:34.34 | george | how much ram? |
| 22:34.45 | sjoerd0 | george: So the kernel will kill something if it runs out of memory? 1 GB RAM. |
| 22:34.46 | george | no swap space,,, that could do it |
| 22:34.47 | MatBoy | robin_sz, yes |
| 22:34.55 | robin_sz | MatBoy, yeah there is one ... |
| 22:34.58 | george | that's also plenty of ram |
| 22:34.59 | MatBoy | robin_sz, I need to manage users, apache/webdav and samba |
| 22:35.15 | robin_sz | Samba has SWAT |
| 22:35.50 | robin_sz | SWAT is what you need, enable it and connecto to port 601 |
| 22:36.04 | george | MatBoy: you could build your own thing to manage your stuff... the individual pieces are right in front of you |
| 22:36.24 | MatBoy | george, yep that is the second step |
| 22:36.29 | MatBoy | I'm searching SF.net now |
| 22:36.31 | robin_sz | users are best managed from the command line, and apache is best managed with vi/emacs/pico |
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| 22:37.18 | george | I think the first step is learning what exactly you have in that linux install of yours... starting with the capabilities of your shell |
| 22:37.28 | robin_sz | I cant see how you could possibly manage Apache with a tool, it is way, WAY too configurable |
| 22:37.54 | george | robin_sz: its config file is xmlish |
| 22:38.03 | robin_sz | vaguely ... |
| 22:38.43 | robin_sz | think of all the funky things you can do though ... especially with mod_perl anabled |
| 22:38.52 | george | yeah, and so anything that can write out xml could be modified to alter apache configs... or maybe even, modification not needed |
| 22:39.25 | george | well mod_perl is beyond the scope of this idea that I had... |
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| 22:39.36 | robin_sz | anyway |
| 22:39.38 | robin_sz | imap |
| 22:39.47 | george | umap? |
| 22:39.54 | robin_sz | so I have my offcoe based swerver .. |
| 22:40.03 | robin_sz | and some form of imap thingy /. right? |
| 22:40.14 | robin_sz | all the mail lives on the server |
| 22:40.39 | robin_sz | and users can access their mail, from whichever desk they happen to sit at, right? |
| 22:40.48 | george | I believe so |
| 22:41.10 | robin_sz | and .. my real server, out there in a colo is thr one that rx all the mail at the moment |
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| 22:41.22 | robin_sz | and right now we get at it by POP |
| 22:41.34 | george | personally I have one imap server and it has one and only one client, the box beside it (which can boot into other oses, for games maybe) |
| 22:41.49 | george | well pop transfers the mail |
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| 22:42.01 | george | I guess you -could- do a webmail |
| 22:42.05 | robin_sz | so ... how do I persaude the imap box to fetch the mail from the other box? |
| 22:42.09 | robin_sz | nah, not webmail |
| 22:42.54 | george | I think that in order to think about this and discuss this without me getting confused, these boxes need names :) |
| 22:42.54 | pickcoder-wrk | you need a pop sync tool |
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| 22:43.06 | amphi | robin_sz: fetchmail perhaps |
| 22:43.14 | robin_sz | hmmm. fetchmail |
| 22:43.16 | george | pop sync... isn't that milli vanilli? |
| 22:43.28 | pickcoder-wrk | like fetchmail |
| 22:43.42 | robin_sz | george, I'll have to call the colo'd pop box "quacky" |
| 22:43.51 | robin_sz | because thats its name |
| 22:43.52 | george | ok |
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| 22:44.10 | robin_sz | (it even has a small yellow plastic duck on the front) |
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| 22:44.20 | george | we won't be asking it to do any surgery then :) |
| 22:44.35 | robin_sz | probably best |
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| 22:44.44 | KaZeR | hi there. |
| 22:44.56 | robin_sz | so ... quacky runs Qmail and stores the mail in a POP account ... |
| 22:45.16 | robin_sz | then waht? fetchmail retreives it into a locla exim4 accoutn? |
| 22:45.23 | robin_sz | or something? |
| 22:45.32 | KaZeR | i'm totally noob to debian, and i'd like to upgrade libmysqlclient12 to 15. can anyone help? |
| 22:45.33 | george | or many accts |
| 22:45.37 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 22:45.57 | amphi | KaZeR: bacports.org perhaps |
| 22:46.02 | george | oops gotta fly |
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| 22:46.15 | robin_sz | KaZeR, what release of Debian are you running> Sarge? |
| 22:46.32 | KaZeR | robin_sz, xebian, based upon sarge i believe |
| 22:46.39 | KaZeR | amphi, err, are you sure? :) |
| 22:46.51 | robin_sz | you probably need to contact #xebian then |
| 22:47.04 | KaZeR | robin_sz, doesn't exists :) |
| 22:47.10 | amphi | KaZeR: backports.org rather, and no, I'm not sure |
| 22:47.25 | KaZeR | robin_sz, i believe it's just like a regular sarge |
| 22:47.27 | KaZeR | thanks amphi |
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| 22:48.03 | robin_sz | KaZeR, difficultl to say really, we dont know what versions etc they run ... I suggest you use a regular sarge then |
| 22:48.34 | pickcoder-wrk | robin_sz: you can run fetchmail as a daemon or via cron |
| 22:48.59 | pickcoder-wrk | robin_sz: you will have to setup .fetchmailrc files with user/pass for all accounts that need remote pop3 syncs |
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| 22:50.06 | caoilte | What's the best way to change the priority that an application runs at (eg give mplayer maximum priority)? |
| 22:50.10 | Surmama | Hey, #kde sent me. I don't have any entries in my kde control center menu. What to do? |
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| 22:50.25 | cydork | caoilte, nice? |
| 22:50.25 | Guerin | man renice |
| 22:50.32 | Guerin | or just run it with nice |
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| 22:50.48 | Guerin | caoilte: but you probably don't want it to run with top priority |
| 22:50.59 | caoilte | cydork: can't do that as a normal user though and looking for a more permanent solution. |
| 22:51.46 | Guerin | caoilte: only root can run something at - priority |
| 22:51.53 | Guerin | or - nice |
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| 22:52.15 | cydork | caoilte, why do you wanna do that?? |
| 22:52.42 | caoilte | cydork: it skips. |
| 22:53.21 | caoilte | cydork: so does mp3 playback, mind. |
| 22:53.48 | slept | hello quitte |
| 22:54.26 | eeyore- | caoilte: processor? |
| 22:55.10 | Flimzy | On a server running spamassassin,qmail,mysql... any idea what I/O scheduler makes the most sense? Anticipatory or deadline? |
| 22:55.26 | Guerin | caoilte: nothing post-1996 should skip when playing back mp3 |
| 22:55.42 | Guerin | Flimzy: lkml |
| 22:55.50 | Flimzy | Guerin: ? |
| 22:55.53 | caoilte | Guerin: this machine's only a few years old |
| 22:55.56 | Guerin | Flimzy: ask them? |
| 22:56.04 | Flimzy | Guerin: ask who? |
| 22:56.04 | Guerin | caoilte: what speed is it running? |
| 22:56.08 | eeyore- | Guerin: if it's post 1996, my guess is he's running inappropriate kernel (maybe the install kernel or i386) |
| 22:56.09 | Guerin | Flimzy: ask lkml. |
| 22:56.14 | caoilte | Guerin: AMD Athlon, 2600. |
| 22:56.23 | Flimzy | Guerin: who is that? |
| 22:56.24 | eeyore- | caoilte: oh geez, that shouldn't ever skip |
| 22:56.29 | Guerin | eeyore-: even those should be fiune. mp3 should take no more than a few % cpu on a modern box |
| 22:56.31 | eeyore- | caoilte: what kernel? uname -a |
| 22:56.44 | Guerin | hell, even playing back x264 video shouldn't take more than 35% |
| 22:56.54 | pickcoder-wrk | unless something is taking up most of the CPU |
| 22:57.02 | Guerin | Flimzy: linux kernel mailing list |
| 22:57.06 | Flimzy | Guerin: ah |
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| 22:57.25 | caoilte | well at the moment i've just tried installing kubuntu, so it _is_ the default i386 install. I was running the latest k6 kernel and sid before. |
| 22:57.28 | caoilte | same problem. |
| 22:57.38 | eeyore- | caoilte: ubuntu? |
| 22:57.49 | eeyore- | caoilte: go run -k7 kernel or something |
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| 22:57.54 | eeyore- | caoilte: or -i686 |
| 22:57.54 | robin_sz | Flimzy, Qmail does not make sense anyway, so who knows |
| 22:58.12 | Flimzy | robin_sz: hehe... very true. That's probably the first piece of this puzzle we will be eliminating. |
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| 22:58.26 | Guerin | caoilte: oh. |
| 22:58.32 | Flimzy | robin_sz: changing the I/O scheduler will be painless, tho, so I can do that now :) |
| 22:58.38 | Guerin | caoilte: if you're running kde, arts is likely being a drag. |
| 22:58.54 | robin_sz | Flimzy, I have yet to get vpopmail to work with any other system, but when I do, Qmail is so dead. |
| 22:58.57 | caoilte | Guerin: nah. i killed that straight off. |
| 22:59.12 | Guerin | caoilte: yay! |
| 22:59.14 | eeyore- | i'm back in the "don't like kde, don't like arts" camp |
| 22:59.19 | pickcoder-wrk | vpopmail? |
| 22:59.22 | Flimzy | robin_sz: I use courier for my virtual pop3/imap setup. It was by far the most flexible I could find. |
| 22:59.25 | PumpkinPie | what does a 4 cyl 2.2 liter engine weigh |
| 22:59.33 | eeyore- | caoilte: again, go run the appropriate kernel first of all :-) |
| 22:59.36 | Guerin | pickcoder-wrk: just another virtual mail manager |
| 22:59.36 | caoilte | ok, i'll go try a different kernel. |
| 22:59.38 | Flimzy | PumpkinPie: Depends on what it's made of and a billion other factors. |
| 22:59.49 | caoilte | thanks all |
| 22:59.53 | Guerin | vpopmail is no justification for qmail |
| 22:59.55 | robin_sz | pickcoder-wrk, vpopmail is a virtual domain email hosting thing .. web config of new users etc etc etc |
| 23:00.08 | Flimzy | PumpkinPie: I used to have a 2.0 Litre 4 cyl engine made of aluminum that I'm sure weighs half as much as my current 1.6L 4 cyle engine |
| 23:00.08 | Ferret | Why does the 'find' command in grub tell me my linux root partition and /boot (on sata) are on (hd1,0), and yet my menu.lst is, and always has, referred to (hd0,0)? Does grub deal with sata disks erroneously? The other disk is IDE. |
| 23:00.27 | robin_sz | Guerin, people say this but when you get down to "and doe exim work with vpopmail" there is a deafening silence |
| 23:00.38 | Guerin | robin_sz: you don't need to use vpopmail |
| 23:01.03 | Guerin | robin_sz: aiui the reason vpopmail doesn't work with anything else is due to licensing issues. I know that's why it doesn't work with courier. |
| 23:01.09 | robin_sz | Guerin, thankyou for that statement ... you are wrong, but, thankyou anyway |
| 23:01.27 | pickcoder-wrk | postfix + mysql? |
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| 23:01.39 | Guerin | robin_sz: i'm not wrong, since I use virtual imap domains, and don't use vpopmail. |
| 23:01.55 | robin_sz | you have webmail too? |
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| 23:02.02 | eeyore- | Ferret: sometimes that happens to grub :-) just pretend (hd1) at grub runtime is == (hd0) at boot time and you're ok |
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| 23:02.20 | Guerin | robin_sz: sqwebmail, imp and some other things at the moment, yeah. |
| 23:02.45 | robin_sz | sqwebamail in a non-vpopmail envirmoent? it works with imap? |
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| 23:02.55 | Guerin | robin_sz: absolutely. |
| 23:03.00 | robin_sz | interesting |
| 23:03.09 | pickcoder-wrk | but it's extremely picky about the imap server |
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| 23:03.19 | Guerin | robin_sz: no config required once courier is set up |
| 23:03.30 | robin_sz | same as vpopmail then |
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| 23:04.39 | pickcoder-wrk | nice |
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| 23:04.39 | robin_sz | splitters! |
| 23:04.39 | shogunx | and then there was a netsplit... |
| 23:04.39 | Guerin | robin_sz: the debian sqwebmail package won't do vpopmail for unspecified licensing reasons, according to the doc. |
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| 23:04.53 | robin_sz | Guerin, I ended up building qmail, vpopmail, sqwebmail and qmailadin from source |
| 23:04.54 | Guerin | see |
| 23:04.55 | Guerin | that's just way too much work for me |
| 23:04.55 | robin_sz | for me too |
| 23:05.18 | Guerin | i started out doing qmailrocks, but it was a bastard to maintain |
| 23:05.18 | Guerin | a *real* bastard |
| 23:05.18 | pickcoder-wrk | I haven't had an indepth look into zimbra, but it looks interesting |
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| 23:05.19 | robin_sz | but, its the only solution I could find that met my needs |
| 23:05.19 | Guerin | !info zimbra |
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| 23:05.29 | pickcoder-wrk | it's not a debian package |
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| 23:05.37 | Guerin | wtf is zimbra |
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| 23:05.43 | Guerin | clearly not |
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| 23:06.08 | pickcoder-wrk | www.zimbra.com |
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| 23:06.24 | robin_sz | sigh |
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| 23:06.31 | pickcoder-wrk | like I was saying.. www.zimbra.com |
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| 23:06.47 | pickcoder-wrk | there is an open source edition |
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| 23:06.57 | Guerin | free, or open? |
| 23:07.03 | pickcoder-wrk | free |
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| 23:07.05 | pickcoder-wrk | and open |
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| 23:07.10 | pickcoder-wrk | supposedly |
| 23:07.13 | pickcoder-wrk | I still can't find the source though |
| 23:07.14 | pickcoder-wrk | <g> |
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| 23:07.27 | pickcoder-wrk | hm |
| 23:07.28 | Guerin | yeah |
| 23:07.28 | pickcoder-wrk | actually |
| 23:07.30 | pickcoder-wrk | it's on SF |
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| 23:07.45 | Guerin | any 'open source' product which doesn't have a 'license' section on their website probably ain't |
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| 23:08.01 | pickcoder-wrk | lotsa java |
| 23:08.13 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 23:08.14 | Guerin | i see |
| 23:08.22 | Guerin | the 'open source edition' is crippled |
| 23:08.25 | Guerin | great. |
| 23:08.34 | Guerin | not as bad as @mail though |
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| 23:10.00 | Guerin | ok, the licensing is complicated |
| 23:10.13 | Guerin | mix of mozilla, apache and their own license |
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| 23:10.41 | MatBoy | When I install webmin and apache can I just load the webdav module in apache and add users with quota for storage ? |
| 23:11.00 | infernix | does anyone run high speed file transfers (gigabit), and if so, what protocol and app? i've been messing around with samba & nfs they both suck for gigabit. i've resorted to ftp now (proftpd) and was wondering about other peoples experiences |
| 23:11.01 | Guerin | MatBoy: ask #webmin |
| 23:11.09 | MatBoy | Guerin, good idea ! |
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| 23:11.28 | MatBoy | Guerin, 4 people there.. that is not an option |
| 23:11.35 | Rica | Hi I did apt-get upgrade on a debian etch and lost my postfix feature , I cant start postfix (/etc/init.d/postfix start , give no error, but postfix isnt running as reported by postfix reload) Any idea ? |
| 23:11.38 | Guerin | MatBoy: webmin is not an option. |
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| 23:11.50 | MatBoy | Guerin, nope indeed, to be honest no |
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| 23:12.11 | Guerin | Rica: what errors? Is it installed? What were you running before the upgrade? |
| 23:12.14 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/253624 , anyone can help me with that? (debian etch) |
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| 23:12.30 | MatBoy | Guerin, I need a tool where I can add user on a Linux box and give them a samba share or a webdav-account |
| 23:12.32 | MatBoy | not more |
| 23:13.00 | Rica | 1) before upgrade I was running postfix , 2) yes installed and upgrader |
| 23:13.00 | Rica | upgraded* |
| 23:13.00 | Guerin | MatBoy: I recommend libapache-mod-dav |
| 23:13.07 | MatBoy | Guerin, and muild my own CP ? |
| 23:13.14 | Guerin | Rica: what distro were you running? |
| 23:13.19 | Rica | etch |
| 23:13.22 | Guerin | MatBoy: just use an editor, it ain't hard. |
| 23:13.30 | Rica | just upgraded my etch tho |
| 23:13.31 | blondie | Ferret: no-one answered ;.; |
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| 23:13.35 | MatBoy | Guerin, but I wan tot see what my users do |
| 23:13.43 | Guerin | Rockj: aptitude -f install; (no packages) |
| 23:13.47 | MatBoy | I start with some, about 10... will be more than 100 |
| 23:13.47 | Guerin | MatBoy: why? |
| 23:14.12 | MatBoy | Guerin, when they call me... I can't upload.. I can easily see what's hapening |
| 23:14.13 | Ferret | blondie: I asked in #Gentoo , two of them have figured it out. ;P Hang on a sec and I'll tell you |
| 23:14.15 | MatBoy | happening |
| 23:14.21 | Guerin | Rockj: is postfx still installed? |
| 23:14.34 | Rica | Guerin: some error sample: Nov 21 00:14:01 ogsteam postfix/postqueue[8387]: fatal: Cannot flush mail queue - mail system is down |
| 23:14.45 | Guerin | MatBoy: why do you need a control panel for that? Apache has logs. |
| 23:14.52 | Rockj | Guerin: I don't use postfix. and that sollution doesn't work very well. let me paste into pasetbin. 2 sek. |
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| 23:14.57 | MatBoy | Guerin, yeah a CP is much nicer |
| 23:15.07 | Guerin | Rica: ok. Google how to forcibly flush or clear the mail queue. |
| 23:15.17 | Rockj | Guerin: http://pastebin.ca/253626 |
| 23:15.24 | Rockj | I don't want it to remove exim4 and bind9 :/ |
| 23:15.54 | tonyb2006 | "ATI Rage Mobility M with 4MB"...who thinks that could run Tux Racer? |
| 23:15.57 | amphi | Rica: postfix flush |
| 23:16.20 | Guerin | Rockj: yeah. aptitude purge openbsd-inetd |
| 23:16.30 | Rica | amphi: that's not working .. 'mail system is down' |
| 23:16.51 | Rica | Nov 21 00:16:12 ogsteam postfix/postqueue[8963]: fatal: Cannot flush mail queue - mail system is down |
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| 23:17.06 | Guerin | Rica: you can probabl;y manually delete everything in the quque somehow. |
| 23:17.15 | Guerin | like, files in /var/something |
| 23:17.15 | amphi | Rica: you see any error if you do /etc/init.d/postfix [re]start ? |
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| 23:17.24 | Rica | amphi: no error at all |
| 23:17.44 | amphi | Rica: postsuper lets you delete messages from the queue, FWIW |
| 23:17.54 | Rockj | still have troubles with the python2.5 when doing apt-get dist-upgrade/apt-get upgrade |
| 23:18.09 | Guerin | Rockj: purge it, do the upgrade, reinstall it after |
| 23:18.19 | Rica | yes but i'm not really trying to delete anything ... Is it a normal procedure after an upgrade ? |
| 23:18.22 | Guerin | Rockj: it's also possible it's just broken. |
| 23:18.27 | lumpy | Rockj: having tried --reinstall with apt-get? |
| 23:18.39 | Guerin | Rockj: no, but sometimes things break in testing. |
| 23:18.42 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:18.46 | Guerin | Rica: no, but sometimes things break in testing. |
| 23:18.51 | Rica | oh |
| 23:18.52 | Rica | ok |
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| 23:19.22 | krazykit | meh, /sometimes/ |
| 23:19.28 | Rockj | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 23:19.28 | Rockj | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:19.31 | Rockj | hum |
| 23:19.36 | Guerin | Rockj: purge it |
| 23:19.42 | Guerin | Rockj: you don't need any inetd |
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| 23:19.58 | Guerin | Rockj: or just remove it if you want to save config |
| 23:20.30 | DaveyB | Is there a decent rar utility |
| 23:20.34 | Guerin | DaveyB: no. |
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| 23:20.34 | DaveyB | free-rar is just shit |
| 23:20.41 | Guerin | DaveyB: rar is just shit. |
| 23:20.43 | DaveyB | Guerin, man that sucks. |
| 23:20.50 | Guerin | DaveyB: but the author does release a linux binary. |
| 23:20.51 | lumpy | DaveyB: take the staticly linked unrar |
| 23:20.52 | Rica | amphi: any more help for postsuper , a command to delete / clearr all the mail queue ? |
| 23:21.14 | Guerin | !fgi Rica postsuper+flush+queue |
| 23:21.14 | dpkg | Rica: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=postsuper+flush+queue |
| 23:21.15 | DaveyB | lumpy, unrar-free barely ever works |
| 23:21.34 | lumpy | DaveyB: afaik you can get it from the rar guy |
| 23:21.37 | Guerin | DaveyB: stop whining about being unable to get your warez and get the non-free binary. |
| 23:21.49 | amphi | Rica: it has a manpage... |
| 23:22.12 | cydork | Daveman, there is rar in non-free .. |
| 23:22.12 | Rockj | Guerin: if I purge inetutils-inetd, it wants to remove bind9 and lots of other stuff Ive setup for my mailbox. |
| 23:22.21 | cydork | bahh |
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| 23:22.38 | Rica | amphi: I did read it but saw nothing for a complete queue clearing... googling the !fgi result page right now :p |
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| 23:22.47 | cydork | DaveyB, search for rar in non-free |
| 23:22.48 | Guerin | Rockj: hm, stupid. You can afford to lose bind9, as long as you keep config - but if it wants to remove netbase or exim, don't let it. |
| 23:23.29 | Rockj | it wanted to remove courier-ssl and every services. hehe. I guess I'll have todo a clean install on that box. |
| 23:23.50 | SmallR2003 | i miss you guys sometimes |
| 23:24.03 | Rockj | (its atleast not a production server. just some personal stuff, that survives abit downtime. ) |
| 23:24.07 | Guerin | Rockj: probably not, just a matter of fiding out what really is the problem. |
| 23:24.14 | SmallR2003 | there are times when i need someone to yell 'use your brain' at people for me |
| 23:24.20 | litage | is it possible to send additional data down a connection setup using openssl's s_client? (Eg: s_client's connected to an FTP+SSL server, so i'd like to send FTP commands) |
| 23:24.26 | Guerin | Rockj: go through a few of aptitude's proposed fixes, see what options you have. |
| 23:24.48 | SmallR2003 | i'd just like to express a strong and undying love for the lot of you |
| 23:24.51 | DaveyB | Guerin, It's not my fault that there Debian doesn't support rar as it's shit |
| 23:24.54 | Guerin | !aww |
| 23:24.54 | dpkg | *snuggles* |
| 23:25.01 | SmallR2003 | :) |
| 23:25.15 | Guerin | DaveyB: no. It's Eugene Roshal's fault. Hence why you should go and get his utility. |
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| 23:25.31 | SmallR2003 | i'm still trying to understand why someone who was a complete bitch to me the other day is now requesting help |
| 23:25.33 | Rockj | Guerin: it wants to install netbsd thing again. |
| 23:25.46 | Rockj | http://pastebin.ca/253639 |
| 23:26.14 | Guerin | Rockj: give it a crack, then. |
| 23:26.42 | SmallR2003 | up with debian! *salutes* |
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| 23:27.40 | Rockj | Guerin: python is in a bad mood. http://pastebin.ca/253641 |
| 23:27.43 | cydork | DaveyB, i told there is rar in non-free and you are free to use it.. |
| 23:27.54 | Guerin | Rockj: you don't need python, get rid of it. |
| 23:28.04 | SmallR2003 | Rockj, feed it a goat :) |
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| 23:28.37 | Rockj | python is nice.. |
| 23:28.59 | Guerin | Rockj: you can reinstall it later, once more important stuff is unbroken. |
| 23:29.20 | lumpy | Rockj; yes :) |
| 23:30.47 | Rockj | pureged python, everything's fine |
| 23:30.56 | Rockj | but anyone else have problem with python in etch? |
| 23:30.57 | Guerin | huzzah! |
| 23:31.05 | Guerin | Rockj: try installing it again now |
| 23:31.08 | Guerin | Rockj: well |
| 23:31.18 | Guerin | Rockj: once the rest of the install has gone through clean |
| 23:32.13 | Rockj | I think python2.5-dev is broken in etch..but its been broken for a while then: http://pastebin.ca/253645 |
| 23:32.34 | Rockj | since ive had those errors a while, just been ignoring it since ive been busy and my mail have been working |
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| 23:33.35 | Guerin | Rockj: BTS |
| 23:34.04 | Rockj | BTS, unknown expr for m |
| 23:34.15 | Rockj | for me** |
| 23:34.21 | Guerin | !btssmite Rockj |
| 23:34.29 | sanmarcos | !fuck Guerin |
| 23:34.35 | sanmarcos | oh shit |
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| 23:34.40 | amphi | heh |
| 23:34.40 | cydork | !love Guerin |
| 23:35.07 | cydork | :P |
| 23:36.29 | Rockj | hum, isn't python2.5 in etch repos? |
| 23:36.37 | Rockj | is it unstable repos? |
| 23:36.41 | Shadowcat | !beat cydork |
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| 23:37.13 | tanders | Is there autoconf 2.59 (in addition to 2.60 coming with the autoconf package) for Etch? If so, in what package? (I'm currently lacking access to a physical Etch box, but need to know) |
| 23:37.44 | Shadowcat | packages.debian.org |
| 23:37.45 | Guerin | tanders: packages.debian.org |
| 23:37.48 | amphi | !penixstrike Shadowcat |
| 23:37.48 | dpkg | A towering Penix descends from the heavens, knocking Shadowcat to the ground and leaving a large wet spot. |
| 23:37.48 | Guerin | woah |
| 23:37.54 | par | any zabbix users here? |
| 23:38.01 | Shadowcat | !windowssmite amphi |
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| 23:38.03 | Shadowcat | damnit |
| 23:38.08 | Shadowcat | !kill amphi |
| 23:38.09 | Guerin | @fuck cydork |
| 23:38.11 | Shadowcat | better |
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| 23:39.10 | cydork | is it just me or did that sound sound erotic? :P |
| 23:39.23 | raf256 | omg O_o |
| 23:39.36 | blondie | kinky |
| 23:40.27 | raf256 | @fuck a sexy chick |
| 23:40.32 | Shadowcat | damnit Guerin now look what you've done |
| 23:40.34 | Guerin | good grief |
| 23:40.41 | Shadowcat | now blondie's gonna use the bot as a sex toy |
| 23:40.46 | Guerin | Rockj: and that's the closest you'll ever get |
| 23:40.48 | Guerin | bah |
| 23:40.51 | Guerin | raf256: |
| 23:41.08 | Guerin | Rockj: my apologies for mistaking you for raf256, an insult worse than anything. |
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| 23:41.27 | raf256 | Guerin: wtf? |
| 23:41.34 | tanders | re autoconf 2.59: I don't see it on packages.debian.org, hence I'm asking (realizing it looks OT here atm ;-)) |
| 23:41.37 | Rockj | Guerin: no problem. :) |
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| 23:42.17 | Rockj | Guerin: Ill check abit coser on that bugs submit page. never done such stuff before but ill read thru it and submit if noone else reported it. |
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| 23:43.07 | Guerin | raf256: http://bash.org/?262353 |
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| 23:43.51 | raf256 | Guerin: awesome, and? |
| 23:43.59 | blondie | pussy ick |
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| 23:44.31 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 23:44.36 | shogunx | there is something wrong with your pussy blondie? |
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| 23:46.44 | Phated | Guerin: Hhahahahaha. |
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| 23:47.19 | jelly-home | there is some good stuff in bash.org's top 100. |
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| 23:49.05 | iter | if I open bash.org, might as well write off the next two hours |
| 23:49.11 | iter | I'm not allowed |
| 23:49.47 | jelly-home | iter: nothing stops you from qdb.us then? :-) |
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| 23:51.38 | iter | that's also on the filter list :p |
| 23:51.42 | slow_query | I've got two identical boxes running the exact same debian image. One of them idles most of the time, and keeps locking up, hard -- doesn't respond to input at all. Are there any good hardware diagnostic utilities out there that might help nail down the issue? |
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| 23:52.51 | pickcoder-wrk | slow_query: is memory getting used up? |
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| 23:54.24 | cureless | slow_query: have you tested the memory? |
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| 23:56.10 | eldowan | Is there a way for the debian installer to recognize and install directly to my USB device? I'm currently looking here, as it is an alternative, but this isn't what I'm looking for. |
| 23:56.20 | eldowan | ^^ http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/179 |
| 23:56.22 | tuv | wow.. not that's funny: http://bash.org/?244321 |
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| 23:56.28 | tuv | poor guy |
| 23:57.02 | slow_query | I just ran memtest86 for a few hours. The memory is good. Also, I have munin graphs. Memory usage is stable. Doesn't increase at all. |
| 23:57.09 | odla | do you guys know how i can make iceweasel start with larger text size? |
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| 23:57.58 | *** join/#debian rgk25 (n=rgk@ool-18baf011.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:58.01 | Guerin | odla: change the dpi in display settings in preferences |
| 23:58.21 | *** join/#debian usr_rob (n=usr_rob@ua-83-227-155-140.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 23:58.58 | lindenle | slow_query: hows the temp over time? |
| 23:59.13 | jelly-home | tuv: here's one a bit lighter: http://qdb.us/54088 |
| 23:59.18 | lindenle | slow_query: any kernel dumps on the creen when it crashs? |
