| 00:00.13 | daqqal | adrotman: kernel.org vanilla |
| 00:00.17 | itchi | Someone know how i an setup my Network controller: Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG Network Connection (rev 02) and Ethernet controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. RTL8101E PCI Express Fast Ethernet controller (rev 01)? |
| 00:00.19 | daqqal | compile |
| 00:00.38 | abrotman | !kp |
| 00:00.38 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 00:00.39 | odla | ok |
| 00:01.10 | abrotman | daqqal: what was the error when you were compiling your driver? and which driver ? |
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| 00:01.51 | daqqal | abrotman: hpt374 highpoint raidcard, and it's hpt.o eror |
| 00:02.02 | abrotman | i thought that was a binary driver |
| 00:02.20 | daqqal | abrotman: they don't have it for debian, i got the source |
| 00:02.29 | abrotman | daqqal: okay .. so what was the error ? |
| 00:02.33 | abrotman | or you don't have it anymore ? |
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| 00:03.03 | abrotman | daqqal: and are you using sarge or etch ? (dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1) |
| 00:03.06 | daqqal | abrotman: http://lexiana.com/raid.txt |
| 00:03.27 | daqqal | ii libc6 2.3.6.ds1-8 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 00:03.28 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 00:03.28 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 00:03.44 | abrotman | daqqal: that is not sarge or etch .. that's sid/unstable |
| 00:03.53 | abrotman | !info libc6 |
| 00:03.57 | daqqal | oh yes thats unstable |
| 00:03.58 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries), section libs, is required. Version: 2.3.6.ds1-8 (sid), Packaged size: 4608 kB, Installed size: 11088 kB |
| 00:04.02 | itchi | I have follow the instructions of ipw3945, but when i load the module i get an error FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless/ipw3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) and dmesg shows some stuff http://pastebin.ca/242965 |
| 00:04.25 | abrotman | daqqal: which kernel are you on now ? |
| 00:04.41 | daqqal | abrotman: Linux fuddlin 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 00:04.55 | abrotman | daqqal: apt-cache search linux-image |
| 00:05.01 | daqqal | abrotman: but i need to have the exact source to compile the driver against it |
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| 00:05.14 | abrotman | that's fine .. |
| 00:05.25 | abrotman | we'll get to that point :) |
| 00:05.33 | blackelf | I successfully run debuild -kMYKEYID in the directory where I did apt-get source foo && cd foo- it created shitload of .deb files how to just install them and try them out? |
| 00:05.54 | daqqal | abrotman: i get alot of 2.6.18 images |
| 00:05.58 | abrotman | daqqal: sid has a 2.6.18 in it now .. the packages are linux-image, linux-headers, linux-source etc .. most drivers will compile with the headers |
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| 00:06.23 | daqqal | ok let me apt-get a 2.6.18 |
| 00:06.38 | eeyore- | quintin: 250GB is plenty |
| 00:06.45 | blackelf | can I force dpkg -i foo.deb to check if foo.deb is correctly gpg signed? |
| 00:07.04 | abrotman | daqqal: might as well get the headers at the same time |
| 00:07.23 | abrotman | blackelf: i think the keys work with apt .. not dpkg .. not 100% sure though |
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| 00:07.34 | daqqal | abrotman: the header pkgs are linux-headers-number? |
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| 00:07.38 | eeyore- | quintin: "old computers + new hard drives" = thing of the past (48-bit IDE). you have a PII, should be fine. if you had a pentium, ok, there might be issues. |
| 00:07.55 | daqqal | ok i se them |
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| 00:08.17 | abrotman | daqqal: they'll match the kernel you install .. apt-get install linux-image-2.6-686 linux-headers-2.6-686 should get the ones that match |
| 00:08.26 | daqqal | abrotman: apt-get install linux-image-686 linux-headers-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 00:08.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: some older PIIs have the issue too |
| 00:08.42 | abrotman | daqqal: the command i gave you should work |
| 00:08.48 | pickcoder | eeyore-: the issue isn't the size of the drive for Debian, it's the fact that pentium 2 BIOS's had a limit of 8.4GB natively. Not all of them have newer LBA support (bios update) for drives over 137GB |
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| 00:09.05 | abrotman | or use fully matching package names (except that image/headers thing) |
| 00:09.07 | pickcoder | some P2s wouldn't even take 20GB drives |
| 00:09.30 | eeyore- | pickcoder: now that's extreme :-) but hay, make a smallish first partition. that's all that matters eh? |
| 00:09.32 | stew | blackelf: debbuild / dpkg-buildpackage / debsign doesn't sign .debs, it signs the .changes and the .dsc |
| 00:09.44 | abrotman | eeyore-: no .. i think the system just freaks out |
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| 00:09.50 | daqqal | abrotman: when i am compiling my driver i do ---> make KERNELDIR=/usr/src/linux-2.6.9-5 RR154X=0 , in this situation, where would i point to? |
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| 00:09.55 | pickcoder | eeyore-: smallish first partition? the O/S will only see 8.4GB regardless of how big the drive is |
| 00:09.56 | quintin | so what happens when you put a big hard drive in a old copmuter then? |
| 00:10.05 | eeyore- | pickcoder: linux will be OK |
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| 00:10.15 | pickcoder | eeyore-: how so, if it uses BIOS? |
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| 00:10.17 | abrotman | daqqal: uhm .. i think it will be linux-2.6.18-1-686 .. but we'll see |
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| 00:10.25 | odla | how do i stop evolution from starting when i starting a new gnome session? i've looked under session but i see a bunch of different evolution things and i'm not sure which one to stop |
| 00:10.28 | daqqal | abrotman: ok |
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| 00:10.38 | eeyore- | pickcoder: grub uses bios to load kernel ... but at that point it doesn't matter |
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| 00:10.57 | daqqal | abrotman: it's installing gcc 4.1 also now |
| 00:11.06 | zepeuga | anyone can help me here ? when i execute "./somefile.py" of adesklets it givees me this error http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hqXkTs16.html |
| 00:11.06 | abrotman | daqqal: this is bad ? |
| 00:11.07 | odla | and it doesn't show evolution as a program on the 'startup programs' tab |
| 00:11.15 | pickcoder | eeyore-: then I remove all drives from my CMOS menu and Linux will still boot? |
| 00:11.23 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 00:11.35 | eeyore- | pickcoder: no, because the bios will likely disable the interface <smack> :-) |
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| 00:11.58 | daqqal | abrotman: no, i wanted 4.1 but there is a bug where you can't compile old kernels with new 4.1gcc, userspace is different |
| 00:12.05 | quintin | eeyore-: so.. uhm... advice? :P |
| 00:12.11 | quintin | eeyore-: dell dimension v350 |
| 00:12.15 | pickcoder | quintin: plug it up and try it |
| 00:12.15 | daqqal | abrotman: but if 2.6.18 and driver works, thn i don't need old kernels |
| 00:12.21 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 00:12.28 | quintin | pickcoder: the hardware isn't here presently. |
| 00:12.37 | eeyore- | quintin: you'll probably be OK. hey, dude! you got a dell! :-) ok, in the worst case, check support.dell.com for updated bios |
| 00:12.38 | pickcoder | quintin: you'll know as soon as the parition setup shows the drive size |
| 00:12.51 | eeyore- | quintin: pretty sure it'll work. if not, dell is pretty good about updated bios |
| 00:13.25 | quintin | eeyore-: have you ever tried this? |
| 00:13.34 | eeyore- | abrotman: i've had to put specific CHS values into the partition table before ... |
| 00:13.40 | eeyore- | quintin: something similar |
| 00:13.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: oh .. that's comforting |
| 00:13.46 | quintin | eeyore-: elaborate? |
| 00:14.08 | daqqal | abrotman: i'm going to boot into the new kernel and then compile the driver |
| 00:14.10 | eeyore- | quintin: well, it was a drive that was transported between systems that either didn't use LBA, or had different ideas of LBA |
| 00:14.34 | abrotman | daqqal: we hope anyways :) |
| 00:14.46 | dli | can I run 2.4.26 kernel on a new athlon64 system? |
| 00:15.51 | pickcoder | dli: you can run any 386 32-bit kernel on an athlon64, but it will be a 32-bit system |
| 00:16.08 | pickcoder | not that a 64-bit system is a huge improvement at this point |
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| 00:16.37 | zepeuga | anyone can help me here ? when i execute "./somefile.py" of adesklets it givees me this error http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/hqXkTs16.html |
| 00:16.57 | quintin | well..... |
| 00:16.59 | quintin | if it doesn't work...... |
| 00:17.03 | abrotman | zepeuga: ask #python .. see what they have to say |
| 00:17.20 | quintin | I can stick the 250g drive in the client's desktop machine, make a 10g partition for windows, and use the rest of it for the server with smbmount... |
| 00:17.23 | odla | h3sp4wn: thanks that worked for me |
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| 00:17.33 | zepeuga | abrotman, ok thx |
| 00:18.23 | zamaliphe | my system have been compltly broken yasterday iwas use sid i guess now i have understand why you call it unstable |
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| 00:19.13 | abrotman | zamaliphe: you don't say ... |
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| 00:20.08 | abrotman | pickcoder: maybe it's you ? :) |
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| 00:20.45 | pickcoder | abrotman: maybe.. then again it wouldn't have reconnected instantly |
| 00:20.52 | zamaliphe | but if i instll testing can i install the nvidia driver and have aiglx and beryl ?can i compill the nesesery files for bilding nvidia last beta driver ? |
| 00:20.58 | magyar | hi, looking for us mirrors for cdimage server to download etch installer |
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| 00:21.48 | triplc | i am using Xfce (Etch), that "quit" button does not have "Shutdown" button working. |
| 00:22.05 | triplc | pls advice how to make it work |
| 00:22.19 | pickcoder | ah well.. time to go anyway.. bbl |
| 00:23.16 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: i don't see why sid would "completely break" in a way that you can't fix ... |
| 00:23.30 | eeyore- | (or how) |
| 00:23.47 | eeyore- | short of destroying the / partition ... |
| 00:24.02 | eeyore- | you'll always have a shell to fix things, right? |
| 00:24.37 | quintin | “I'm interested in upgrading my twenty eight point eight kilobaud internet connection to a 1.5 megabit fibre-optic T-1 line. Will you be able to provide an IP router that's compatible with my token ring ethernet LAN configuration?” - Comic Book Guy |
| 00:24.50 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: after install the beta nvidia driver and boot for 3 time like i told you yaster day i coldent get in to xserver |
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| 00:25.17 | paok | hi |
| 00:25.34 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: you can always boot to runlevel 1 ... reinstall packages |
| 00:26.08 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: nothing is bad enough that you couldn't fix, even if dpkg is screwed, libc is trashed, etc. you can *still* recover |
| 00:26.11 | abrotman | daqqal: any luck ? |
| 00:26.16 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: i can see only wight screen and i have compill the nvidia driver agin but it didont work it is conflickt with some thing |
| 00:26.30 | daqqal | abrotman: machine came up fine but the driver will still not compile against th headres |
| 00:26.39 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: again, white screen = not using accelerated GLX libs |
| 00:26.40 | abrotman | daqqal: paste the error |
| 00:26.41 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:26.42 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:26.53 | daqqal | ok |
| 00:26.59 | paok | anyone know debian-live and/or casper?? i made my 1st live cd debian based ( great!!) with beryl ... very good but i search how to keep the xorg.conf and the user dir in /home.. it seems its regenerated when live cd and casper start.. |
| 00:27.00 | eeyore- | zamaliphe: you have to switch to using nvidia glx libs first, then build beryl and related tools |
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| 00:27.19 | abrotman | !livecd |
| 00:27.20 | dpkg | from memory, livecd is an operating system that can boot and run directly from CD. Linux-based examples are Knoppix and Ubuntu. Useful as a rescue cd or for showing off to your geek friends. Debian may one day have its own LiveCD http://alioth.debian.org/projects/debian-live/ or http://live.debian.net/ or #debian-live on oftc |
| 00:27.29 | abrotman | paok: ask #debian-live on OFTC |
| 00:27.40 | paok | oftc? |
| 00:27.48 | abrotman | paok: irc.oftc.net |
| 00:27.56 | paok | ok thx a lot |
| 00:28.20 | triplc | !xfce |
| 00:28.20 | dpkg | methinks xfce is a pretty nifty Desktop Environment. Lightweight, fast, compact. http://www.xfce.org/ . Sarge : apt-get install xfce4 Woody : apt-get install xfce |
| 00:28.25 | zamaliphe | eeyore-: ok how to complite remove nvidia driver |
| 00:28.31 | daqqal | ok pasted |
| 00:28.36 | abrotman | i need the URL :) |
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| 00:28.53 | daqqal | ttp://channels.debian.net/paste/4398 |
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| 00:29.17 | abrotman | !tell daqqal about version.h |
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| 00:29.59 | abrotman | daqqal: holy cow .. does that driver even build on linux ? :) |
| 00:30.43 | daqqal | abrotman: yes, i used it on 2.6.8 for a very long time, the driver does compile on older kernels and older gcc |
| 00:30.45 | abrotman | daqqal: which device ? |
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| 00:31.38 | daqqal | abrotman: hre is the lspci ---> 0000:01:01.1 RAID bus controller: Triones Technologies, Inc. HPT374 (rev 07) |
| 00:31.38 | abrotman | !hpt370 |
| 00:31.38 | dpkg | it has been said that hpt370 is a fake hardware (ie it's really software) RAID controller. There's basic support in the latest 2.4 kernels for RAID0, for more information http://compsoc.dur.ac.uk/~djw/hpt370.html |
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| 00:33.11 | abrotman | daqqal: is the 370 the same as 374 ? |
| 00:33.14 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 00:33.14 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
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| 00:33.45 | abrotman | guess it's not a sata card |
| 00:33.57 | daqqal | abrotman: i would have to google it, but it's a very cheat crap card |
| 00:34.12 | abrotman | no kidding :) |
| 00:34.16 | Kurtism | what's up with ftp.ndlug.edu? |
| 00:34.23 | abrotman | pick another mirror ? |
| 00:34.26 | Kurtism | is it down? |
| 00:34.42 | Kurtism | I was getting 600+KB/s with ndlug |
| 00:35.15 | Kurtism | ftp.ndlug.nd.edu |
| 00:36.11 | daqqal | abrotman: this helps m alot though, now that i have headers, i can go to a 2.6.8 and get headres for that and use 3.4 gcc and see if i can compile the driver |
| 00:36.30 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 00:36.44 | abrotman | daqqal: give me a moment .. i'm looking into somehting |
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| 00:39.17 | abrotman | daqqal: it looks like the 2.6.17 has support for that card |
| 00:40.32 | daqqal | abrotman: nice, let me apt-get that and the headers |
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| 00:40.47 | abrotman | daqqal: you have 2.6.18 .. which should have it too |
| 00:41.37 | abrotman | where in the kernel source tree does the "Help" come from ? |
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| 00:42.58 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:42.58 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:43.02 | odla | holy shit...i've never been in here when abrotman has had a question |
| 00:43.03 | daqqal | abrotman: i just did ---> fuddlin:~/raid/raid/driver# make KERNELDIR=/usr/src/kernel-source-2.6.8/ RR154X=0 and it made the driver, but i don't have a compiled 2.6.8 kernel |
| 00:43.21 | abrotman | daqqal: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4399 |
| 00:43.30 | abrotman | odla: i foudn it :) |
| 00:43.35 | abrotman | odla: noone helped me :( |
| 00:43.55 | odla | abrotman: well of course you'd have to be the one that helped you |
| 00:44.11 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 00:44.15 | daqqal | abrotman: nice, thanx for that, i'm gtting closer now, i need to compil a kernel now |
| 00:45.12 | abrotman | daqqal: i don't see why .. it's already there |
| 00:45.21 | phogg | abrotman: you mean the help like in make menuconfig where you select 'help'? |
| 00:45.37 | abrotman | phogg: yeah .. but i found it .. i was looking for the easy/quick answer :) |
| 00:45.55 | phogg | abrotman: sorry, if I'd looked sooner you'd have had it |
| 00:46.07 | abrotman | hehe |
| 00:46.19 | abrotman | well .. i've always wondered .. but rarely needed .. now i know :) |
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| 00:59.07 | odla | so flash is now under mozilla's control and 'free'? |
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| 01:00.02 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:00.02 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:00.46 | odla | does dondelelcaro feed dpkg hay? |
| 01:00.47 | hologramm^ | someone here to help me solving insatll-probs with et on sid ? |
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| 01:01.28 | abrotman | odla: not even close afaict |
| 01:01.33 | abrotman | et ? |
| 01:01.35 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 01:01.39 | streuner | Why do you want unstable if you aren't able to install it? |
| 01:01.43 | odla | abrotman: you mean about flash? |
| 01:02.02 | l33tERASER | et means enemy territory... |
| 01:02.07 | abrotman | odla: yeah |
| 01:02.10 | l33tERASER | the game |
| 01:02.15 | odla | ah |
| 01:02.16 | streuner | !tell hologramm^ about sid faq |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | yeah .. that's why i said "oh .." |
| 01:02.22 | hologramm^ | well i guess i did something wron during installation attempt, but that's not sid's fault .. *guess* |
| 01:02.25 | hologramm^ | +g |
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| 01:02.50 | sanmarcos | can a user have a personal logrotate config? |
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| 01:04.18 | abrotman | sanmarcos: maybe if the admin includes it |
| 01:04.46 | sanmarcos | abrotman: include /home/user/.logrotate.d/ in /etc/logrotate.conf |
| 01:04.53 | abrotman | something like that |
| 01:05.06 | abrotman | odla: looks like some sort of scripting engine |
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| 01:07.45 | hologramm^ | hmm thx anyway - bye |
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| 01:13.17 | ribasushi | greetings |
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| 01:14.09 | ribasushi | while using make-kpkg is it possible to set "provides" attributes on the reulting .deb so it would satisfy dependencies just like an official debian kernel |
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| 01:16.54 | streuner | ribasushi: what are you trying? |
| 01:17.12 | streuner | make-kpkg is usually enough |
| 01:17.37 | dyssan3 | Must go today now 1 dell xps m1710 laptop with shipping and carry case $700, 1 apple ipod new, 250 with shpping, 1 BFG Nvidia geforce 7950 PCIE video card price 300$ with shipping, 1 dell 23" monitor/tv combination: 350$. message aim at polter 1981 or msn at just it 1981 at hot mail dot com or yahoo at mbogden1981 |
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| 01:18.20 | sanmarcos | how can I make /bin/zsh the default shell for all users? |
| 01:18.23 | sanmarcos | or newly created users? |
| 01:18.28 | streuner | dyssan3: go away |
| 01:18.33 | asg | sanmarcos: edit /etc/adduser.conf |
| 01:18.40 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 01:18.57 | streuner | asg: How is life today? |
| 01:19.06 | asg | streuner: busy but not too bad. How are you? |
| 01:19.06 | abrotman | !ops dyssan3 spamming |
| 01:19.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: dyssan3 spamming |
| 01:19.22 | streuner | asg: thanks, too much work :-) |
| 01:19.27 | asg | streuner: hehe :) |
| 01:19.50 | SerajewelKS | haha selling ipods to a channel about FOSS... |
| 01:19.55 | predder | I just noticed all the 2.6.16 smp kernel image packages from testing are gone?? Does this mean the 2.6.17 packages are smp enabled as the description doesnt give any hints.. |
| 01:20.10 | asg | SerajewelKS: you can run linux on some of the earlier models |
| 01:20.22 | abrotman | predder: apt-cache search linux-image smp |
| 01:20.31 | sanmarcos | how can I sort the biggest files and folders with du ? |
| 01:20.43 | SerajewelKS | asg: he said "new" |
| 01:20.58 | streuner | SerajewelKS: surely no idea *where* is he atm ;-) |
| 01:20.58 | dewaard | I'm trying to restart an existing ProFTPD installation on debian after installing "apt-get install proftpd-mysql". After installing this module, I got a prompt asking me if I wanted profptd to be standalone or started from inet.d. I chose the latter. Now I'm trying to do # /etc/init.d/proftpd restart, byt nothing seems to happen, apart from the fact that this message is produced by that command: ProFTPd is started from inetd. |
| 01:21.06 | dewaard | how can I get this working again? |
| 01:21.22 | asg | SerajewelKS: it can be a perfectly new and unopened 2 year old ipod. |
| 01:21.28 | sanmarcos | dewaard: dpkg-reconfigure proftpd |
| 01:21.30 | streuner | dewaard: remove that package |
| 01:21.43 | asg | sanmarcos: du | sort -rn |
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| 01:21.48 | SerajewelKS | streuner: eh? |
| 01:21.49 | sanmarcos | dewaard: if you want inetd. then just start inetd |
| 01:21.56 | sanmarcos | asg: but it wont work with -h |
| 01:22.06 | dewaard | sanmarcos: /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: proftpd is not installed :/ |
| 01:22.18 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: i like "du -Sx | sort -n | tail -30" |
| 01:22.24 | streuner | dewaard: using ftp-server without knowing isn't clever :-) |
| 01:22.46 | streuner | !ftp_must_die |
| 01:23.02 | asg | sanmarcos: you could just post-process it with a perl or awk one-liner if that was what you wanted. |
| 01:23.09 | dewaard | streuner: what do you mean exactly? this isn't my box, so I'm not aware of the tidbits of this particular installation |
| 01:23.13 | sanmarcos | I just need to sort du -hcs, that is all |
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| 01:23.22 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: why -h |
| 01:23.30 | streuner | dewaard: well, that's even worser then |
| 01:23.32 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: big numbers mean big files |
| 01:23.33 | sanmarcos | because Its easier to read SerajewelKS |
| 01:23.36 | asg | sanmarcos: it's probably non-portable though, unless you don't care |
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| 01:23.59 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: if there are >=4 digits, it's MB, 7 and it's GB |
| 01:24.03 | dewaard | streuner: hehe, you could say that. but that doesn't change the fact that I have to deal with this problem anyway ;) |
| 01:24.06 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: counting isn't that hard |
| 01:24.16 | sanmarcos | SerajewelKS: it is for me |
| 01:25.18 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: if that's hard then not sure why you're using linux, but ok |
| 01:25.25 | sanmarcos | wow |
| 01:26.00 | streuner | dewaard: why do you want ftp? |
| 01:26.30 | dewaard | streuner: because users have to be able to upload files |
| 01:26.49 | streuner | dewaard: they are able via ssh too |
| 01:26.51 | dewaard | streuner: nothing secret, so FTP will do just fine |
| 01:27.04 | dewaard | streuner: I know, that is how I personally do it |
| 01:27.11 | dooglus | beardy: wtf? |
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| 01:29.11 | streuner | thanks stew |
| 01:29.35 | stew | of course! |
| 01:29.58 | streuner | dewaard: what should be a better client ftp vs. ssh? |
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| 01:30.34 | sanmarcos | /opt is meant for optional files? |
| 01:30.52 | streuner | yes, but debian don't need it much |
| 01:31.14 | sanmarcos | I just created a cold dir, for "cold storage", that is files that I dont need right now, but might later |
| 01:31.17 | h3sp4wn | self contained stuff I usually put in there (usually statically linked) but don't need it much |
| 01:31.20 | stew | sanmarcos: for additional software installed and maintained by the system admin |
| 01:31.20 | sanmarcos | yes, I watch too much BSG |
| 01:31.28 | streuner | knusper:/home/user# ls -l /opt |
| 01:31.29 | streuner | insgesamt 0 |
| 01:31.54 | sanmarcos | stew: it seemed the right place for me :) |
| 01:32.08 | sanmarcos | optional/cold, rather than variable/cold |
| 01:32.41 | ribasushi | streuner: /quit |
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| 01:33.14 | sanmarcos | oooh |
| 01:33.41 | Arron | i have a cd rom, thats stil saying its being accessed, and i cand do anything with it. its not mounted, and i hav no processes listed that were useing it. how do i reset it so other apps can use it? |
| 01:34.06 | abrotman | Arron: you can't unmount oit ? |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | it |
| 01:34.15 | Arron | is not mounted |
| 01:34.22 | Arron | sorry... its not mounted |
| 01:34.37 | sanmarcos | fuser /dev/cdrom ? |
| 01:34.38 | itchi | How can i define the default options for xterm? I want to change the default colors |
| 01:34.40 | abrotman | and you can't moun tit ? |
| 01:34.50 | Arron | i think a burning app locked it or something, but its closed now (not listed in ps) |
| 01:35.03 | abrotman | itchi: echo $LS_COLORS |
| 01:35.08 | sanmarcos | itchi: have fun dealing with decades old, p.o.s .Xdefaults |
| 01:35.30 | Arron | fuser reports nothing |
| 01:35.38 | itchi | oei |
| 01:35.48 | sanmarcos | Arron: fuser -m /mnt/cdrom ? |
| 01:35.51 | Arron | im trying to burn with it, and it says its being used by another app, or mounted |
| 01:35.53 | sanmarcos | try lsof, it not just reboot |
| 01:35.59 | sanmarcos | it happens to me. I hate optical media |
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| 01:36.13 | itchi | I just want to change the bg to black an forground to white; xterm -bg black -fg white |
| 01:36.27 | abrotman | oh |
| 01:36.34 | Arron | sanarcos : says nothing |
| 01:36.45 | itchi | I can put an alias in bashrc, but i want when i click in the menu it's also black |
| 01:36.51 | sanmarcos | Arron: what app? what error? what user? |
| 01:37.36 | Arron | normal user, normal burning, error.. one sec |
| 01:37.52 | beardy | itchi: I don't know where that is defined, if you can't find it, perhaps you have to edit the menu.. good question. |
| 01:38.13 | streuner | dewaard: ever used a wrong proftpd config? |
| 01:38.34 | itchi | beardy: Yeah, before i added an entry xterm (perso colors) ;-) in the menu |
| 01:38.42 | dewaard | streuner, thanks, I've been able to fix it |
| 01:38.52 | streuner | dewaard: it could happen that *every* user see the whole folders |
| 01:38.54 | dewaard | streuner: I just switched back to standalone, problem sovled |
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| 01:39.04 | h3sp4wn | itchi: you are trying to get xterm to open as default like you said above ? |
| 01:39.16 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Yeah |
| 01:39.30 | streuner | dewaard: i hope its only anon ftp too |
| 01:39.34 | SerajewelKS | sanmarcos: du -bSx | sort -n | tail -30 | perl -e 'while (<>) { @d=qw(B KB MB GB TB); s!^(\d+)!$s=$1;while ($s > 1023 && $#d) { shift @d; $s = int($s / 1024); } "$s$d[0]"!e; print; }' |
| 01:39.42 | dewaard | streuner: yes, I know the limitations of proftpd, but that something I have to live with, I suppose. |
| 01:39.46 | itchi | SerajewelKS: Are you stone? |
| 01:39.50 | abrotman | SerajewelKS: your keyboard is sick |
| 01:39.54 | dewaard | streuner: no, it isn't and I know user logins aren't encrypted |
| 01:40.01 | streuner | dewaard: no, you shouldn't. |
| 01:40.06 | beardy | SerajewelKS: What does it do, in a few english words? |
| 01:40.12 | SerajewelKS | itchi: last time i checked i was 95% water |
| 01:40.18 | streuner | dewaard: /msg dpkg ftp must die |
| 01:40.27 | sanmarcos | SerajewelKS: holy shit man, I just did du -hsc | grep M | sort -nr, I only care in the mb range, but thanks anyways |
| 01:40.33 | h3sp4wn | itchi: I use this as .Xdefaults http://paste.debian.net/16294 (still not worked out how I do exactly what I want) |
| 01:40.33 | eeyore- | proftpd, standalone, jail every user to home directory, don't use real accounts |
| 01:40.34 | itchi | SerajewelKS: And only 5% coffee?? |
| 01:40.36 | SerajewelKS | beardy: what sanmarcos wanted du to do |
| 01:40.45 | streuner | dewaard: read greycat's statements about ftp, and you'll see ftp sucks. |
| 01:40.47 | SerajewelKS | itchi: liquid* =) |
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| 01:41.05 | h3sp4wn | itchi: xrdb -load ~/.Xdefaults (from .Xsession or .xinitrc) |
| 01:41.21 | SerajewelKS | beardy: sort by size but use "friendly" output (KB, GB, etc) |
| 01:41.23 | dewaard | "proftpd, standalone, jail every user to home directory, don't use real accounts" << that is exactly what I'm doing. The have all virtual accounts, which aren't system accounts but stored in a mysql backend |
| 01:41.24 | Arron | sanmarcos: just my luck, get on for some help and it works fine now... sorry it really was not mounted or being used, and it could not burn to it |
| 01:41.45 | eeyore- | dewaard: so far so good :-) what's the problem? |
| 01:41.45 | beardy | SerajewelKS: Ok |
| 01:41.46 | sanmarcos | k |
| 01:41.46 | h3sp4wn | itchi: (the first two lines get alt + arrow to work in irssi you may not need them) |
| 01:41.49 | kjdis | Can someone give me some tips for friguring out why I suddenly have no sound? mplayer, xine, VDR, it all plays and supposedly there is an audio dev but I hear nothing, module is loaded too |
| 01:42.25 | Kurtism | !dpkg kernel |
| 01:42.29 | SerajewelKS | kjdis: someone unplugged the speakers |
| 01:42.39 | Kurtism | dpkg: !kernel |
| 01:42.41 | dewaard | eeyore-: I had a problem starting it, but that is solved now. now I have trouble connecting to the right mysql socket, though |
| 01:42.46 | kjdis | hehe nah they are plugged in |
| 01:42.54 | beardy | kjdis: Or someone switched them off. |
| 01:42.54 | SerajewelKS | !tell Kurtism about msg the bot |
| 01:42.58 | Caelum | why am I getting only 2.4Mb/s for scp over a 10/100 switch? |
| 01:43.02 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Thanks; gona try now |
| 01:43.04 | Caelum | wtf |
| 01:43.06 | kjdis | I did recompile my kernel but I only added ULi SATA driver and changed nothing else |
| 01:43.11 | beardy | kjdis: Check the cables one more time :) |
| 01:43.19 | magyar | hi, i am looking for an installer with 2.6.18 kernel |
| 01:43.23 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: HD speed? |
| 01:43.26 | itchi | h3sp4wn: Heh, cool, it work |
| 01:43.31 | streuner | magyar: good luck |
| 01:43.34 | Caelum | SerajewelKS: network (scp) |
| 01:43.36 | dvs | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 01:43.36 | dpkg | hmm... sarge 2.6.18 is if you want to run a 2.6.18 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.18-1-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo> or for a sarge install which uses a 2.6.18 kernel, see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 01:43.41 | eeyore- | dewaard: ok, yeah, because "dpkg-reconfigure proftpd" worked for me :-) just checked |
| 01:43.45 | streuner | magyar: d-i etch using 2.6.16 |
| 01:43.56 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: presumably you're reading from one HD and writing to another? |
| 01:44.20 | Kurtism | how do I get the debian patched kernel source so I can run make menuconfig on it? |
| 01:44.23 | Caelum | SerajewelKS: yeah, but it should be a hell of a lot faster than 2.4Mb/s |
| 01:44.26 | eeyore- | dewaard: well, worst case you can use flat file for username/password. that's what i do. i have php backend script that makes the flat file every 15 minutes. yeah, not very smart. |
| 01:44.34 | magyar | streuner: no, 2.6.17 |
| 01:44.39 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: are both ends 100 and is this confirmeb by the switch? |
| 01:44.44 | Caelum | SerajewelKS: yup |
| 01:44.45 | SerajewelKS | confirmed too |
| 01:44.49 | streuner | magyar: hm, it installs 2.6.17 at the end :-) |
| 01:44.59 | Kurtism | apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare doesn't get me something I can run make menuconfig from |
| 01:45.08 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: check the error rate on bith ifconfigs |
| 01:45.09 | Caelum | how much do people normally get over a 100MB link through scp? |
| 01:45.12 | eeyore- | dewaard: on the other hand, the script gives me time to react :-) and then i have more freedom WRT reporting (who asked for account, who changed it, who deleted it, etc.) |
| 01:45.12 | SerajewelKS | both* |
| 01:45.21 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: 6MB/s |
| 01:45.25 | dewaard | eeyore-: nice |
| 01:45.27 | magyar | streuner: i am doing an install with weekly-build and if i dmesg it shows 2.6.17 |
| 01:45.41 | Caelum | SerajewelKS: no errors on linux end. The other is a windows machine. |
| 01:45.48 | streuner | magyar: that's the installed kernel... |
| 01:45.53 | Arafangion | Caelum: You should get nearly 100MB/s file transfers over a 100MB/s connection. |
| 01:45.56 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: remember that 12MB/s is 100Mbit saturation, and you're doing encryption on top |
| 01:46.01 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: no |
| 01:46.07 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: 100 mega*bit* |
| 01:46.17 | magyar | dvs: thanks |
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| 01:46.22 | streuner | magyar: if you are going to want a 2.6.18 you need to make one by yourselfs |
| 01:46.23 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: I'm aware. |
| 01:46.24 | dvs | magyar: no prob |
| 01:46.26 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: a byte is 8 bits |
| 01:46.32 | Caelum | SerajewelKS: maybe my virus scanner and firewall f'ing things up |
| 01:46.37 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: 100/8 = 12MB |
| 01:46.44 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Incorrect, over hte network it could very easily be 12 bits. |
| 01:47.04 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: what could be 12 bits? |
| 01:47.23 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Seems we've both jumped at the opportunity to explain, then focused on each other :) |
| 01:47.37 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: A "Byte" could very easily be 12 bits on the data link. |
| 01:47.40 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: i'm curious at what you mean though |
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| 01:47.45 | goingtomoonbrb | Ok, so |
| 01:47.52 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: sure. that would make it slower then |
| 01:48.00 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm trying to run apt-get install for a minor package |
| 01:48.06 | goingtomoonbrb | But every time I do it, I get this error |
| 01:48.07 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Which would explain why you're only getting 6MB/s rather than 12 ;) |
| 01:48.11 | goingtomoonbrb | E: The package z600cups needs to be reinstalled, b.t I can't find an archive for it. |
| 01:48.18 | sanmarcos | is there a way to stop the APIC error on CPU0: 02(02) flooding my dmesg, other than disabling apic? |
| 01:48.26 | goingtomoonbrb | The installation of this package (which was converted from rpm with alien) failed, and I gave up on it |
| 01:48.27 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: at any rate, 12 megabytes is the fastest a 100MBit link will get. certainly *not* 100MB/s. |
| 01:48.30 | Kurtism | how do I get the "debian patched" kernel source so I can run make menuconfig on it? |
| 01:48.38 | sanmarcos | !debian kernel |
| 01:48.38 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 01:48.40 | goingtomoonbrb | however, now apt won't let me do anything until I fix it somehow |
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| 01:48.59 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: Sure, but if you had a 100MB/s link, as I was about to explain before you jumped at me :) |
| 01:48.59 | beardy | dooglus: wtf what_ |
| 01:49.03 | beardy | dooglus: wtf what_ |
| 01:49.04 | goingtomoonbrb | even apt-get remove -f z600cups and dpkg -r --force-all z600cups won't fix it |
| 01:49.17 | beardy | wtf happened with my question mark.. |
| 01:49.18 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: well sure, but that's not in the problem domain here =P |
| 01:49.18 | eeyore- | dewaard: debian disables mysql tcp by default. is that the problem? (i think it does, anyhow) |
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| 01:49.22 | sanmarcos | how can I add an alternative for 'editor' ? |
| 01:49.41 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm trying to run apt-get install for a minor package |
| 01:49.43 | goingtomoonbrb | But every time I do it, I get this error |
| 01:49.44 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: hmm i though it just bound to 127.0.0.1 by default |
| 01:49.45 | goingtomoonbrb | E: The package z600cups needs to be reinstalled, b.t I can't find an archive for it. |
| 01:49.50 | goingtomoonbrb | The installation of this package (which was converted from rpm with alien) failed, and I gave up on it |
| 01:49.53 | goingtomoonbrb | however, now apt won't let me do anything until I fix it somehow |
| 01:50.02 | goingtomoonbrb | even apt-get remove -f z600cups and dpkg -r --force-all z600cups won't fix it |
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| 01:50.18 | Caelum | Arafangion: by 12 bits, do you mean the MAC header etc.? |
| 01:50.32 | streuner | sanmarcos: man update-alternatives? |
| 01:50.40 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: See, I was going to follow that with a "However, most high speed ethernet connections are 100Mb/s links, which is more than 8 bits slower (due to parity bits and CRC's and other crap) |
| 01:50.42 | SerajewelKS | Caelum: no i don't think so |
| 01:50.48 | Arafangion | Caelum: Nope. |
| 01:50.51 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: well, yeah, i looked at my config and it's 127.0.0.1 ... but i seem to recall the 'skip-networking' option some time ago |
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| 01:50.55 | dooglus | beardy: wtf this: "21:17 < beardy> dooglus: There's no fucking chanserv on efnet, get a clue." I had been idle here for several days, and you come at me with that? |
| 01:51.05 | sanmarcos | streuner: streuner: stretching the limits of user's stupidity, one at a time |
| 01:51.07 | streuner | cafuego: hey |
| 01:51.10 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: hmm... yeah on sarge that very well may be |
| 01:51.11 | eeyore- | yeah, it may have done skip-networking earlier |
| 01:51.27 | cafuego | ehlo |
| 01:51.29 | beardy | dooglus: nicktab error |
| 01:51.44 | streuner | sanmarcos: heh? |
| 01:51.46 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: yeah, the comment says "Instead of skip-networking, we now ..." so it sure seems that way :-) |
| 01:51.46 | Arafangion | SerajewelKS: I don't even know if we're using ISO units or traditional anymore :( |
| 01:51.54 | SerajewelKS | Arafangion: yeah who knows =/ |
| 01:52.07 | dondelelcaro | cafuego: EHLO requires domain address. |
| 01:52.09 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: yeah, makes sense |
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| 01:52.17 | cafuego | rset |
| 01:52.35 | dondelelcaro | 250 |
| 01:52.52 | cafuego | ehlo mail.cafuego.net |
| 01:53.02 | sanmarcos | how can I see the postinst for a package? |
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| 01:53.11 | asg | sanmarcos: it's in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 01:53.17 | sanmarcos | thanks |
| 01:53.17 | streuner | damn |
| 01:53.23 | streuner | asg is fast today |
| 01:53.35 | beardy | dooglus: And if you don't know what that means, it means that another person had a nick simillar to yours, and when I typed the first characters and hit TAB, I got the wrong nick, because I entered o instead of 0, which the other person had instead of an "o". |
| 01:53.56 | asg | streuner: the beer in my bloodstream hasn't entered my brain apparently ;) |
| 01:54.04 | magyar | my grub is hosed by a ms update, how can i fix it? |
| 01:54.25 | asg | magyar: boot with a rescue cd and run grub-install |
| 01:54.26 | Arafangion | beardy: Careful, it almost sounds like that he's *looking* for an oportunity to find offense... ;) |
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| 01:54.50 | Arafangion | magyar: grub-install /dev/hda |
| 01:54.51 | beardy | Arafangion: If that is so, it is his problem. |
| 01:55.03 | magyar | asg: i got a rescue cd but there is no option is rescue mode to fix bootloader |
| 01:55.19 | streuner | asg: :-) |
| 01:55.31 | Caelum | magyar: type rescue at the prompt |
| 01:55.36 | dewaard | eeyore-: yes, but the box I'm doing this on has a non-standard mysql installation and the socket isn't in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock where proftpd-mysql expects it to be but in /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 01:55.44 | magyar | Caelum: i did |
| 01:55.51 | eeyore- | dewaard: symbolic link? :-) |
| 01:55.54 | dewaard | eeyore-: so proftpd-mysql can't connect to mysql |
| 01:55.57 | sanmarcos | I have a radio tuner card, how can I play the radio? |
| 01:55.57 | Caelum | magyar: chroot into your inst, reinstall grub, or something |
| 01:56.15 | dewaard | eeyore-: I'm trying that, but for some reason I can't get the symlink working |
| 01:56.32 | beardy | sanmarcos: By using a program that can use your card to play radio. |
| 01:56.33 | dewaard | eeyore-: is ls -s /tmp/mysql.sock /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock the right command? |
| 01:56.38 | sanmarcos | beardy: such as |
| 01:56.39 | dewaard | lol |
| 01:56.43 | magyar | Caelum: i dont have anyting in the menu to mount the inst nor to "fix bootloader" |
| 01:56.43 | dewaard | is is ln, not ls |
| 01:56.45 | dewaard | sorry :) |
| 01:56.50 | eeyore- | dewaard: ln, and reverse the order |
| 01:57.12 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: the order is right |
| 01:57.13 | beardy | sanmarcos: Such as 'apt-cache search radio | less' perhaps. |
| 01:57.25 | sanmarcos | beardy: riiight.. |
| 01:57.26 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: ln -s /from /to |
| 01:57.34 | dewaard | eeyore-: are you sure about that reverse order thing? ln: `/tmp/mysql.sock': File exists |
| 01:57.40 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: yes. that's what he needs, no? |
| 01:57.57 | dewaard | eeyore-: ln -s /tmp/mysql.sock /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock works |
| 01:57.58 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: isn't /var/run/... the standard location? |
| 01:58.09 | dewaard | eeyore-: yes, but mine is not there |
| 01:58.10 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: 20:55 < dewaard> eeyore-: yes, but the box I'm doing this on has a non-standard mysql installation and the socket isn't in /var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock where proftpd-mysql expects it to be but in /tmp/mysql.sock |
| 01:58.16 | eeyore- | SerajewelKS: oh wait, the real socket is in a nonstandard and he wants to find it in standard location? ;-) |
| 01:58.22 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: yeas |
| 01:58.24 | goingtomoonbrb | I'm trying to run apt-get install for a minor package |
| 01:58.25 | eeyore- | ok then |
| 01:58.27 | goingtomoonbrb | But every time I do it, I get this error |
| 01:58.29 | SerajewelKS | eeyore-: yeah* too |
| 01:58.32 | goingtomoonbrb | E: The package z600cups needs to be reinstalled, b.t I can't find an archive for it. |
| 01:58.36 | goingtomoonbrb | The installation of this package (which was converted from rpm with alien) failed, and I gave up on it |
| 01:58.42 | goingtomoonbrb | however, now apt won't let me do anything until I fix it somehow |
| 01:58.45 | goingtomoonbrb | even apt-get remove -f z600cups and dpkg -r --force-all z600cups won't fix it |
| 01:59.09 | streuner | show us your sources.list in paster bot |
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| 01:59.12 | eeyore- | dewaard: and what does proftpd-mysql say? does it actually do lstat() and complain or something? |
| 01:59.28 | dewaard | eeyore-: something like that, yes |
| 01:59.34 | eeyore- | hey! it's bad enough owl was using my tail for a door chain |
| 01:59.51 | dewaard | eeyore-: but now I'm enabling proftpd-mysql again to see what it does with the symlink in place |
| 02:00.03 | streuner | hm |
| 02:00.07 | beardy | sanmarcos: 'apt-cache search "radio tuner"' it's not hard.. |
| 02:00.10 | kjdis | Ok so I verified my audio problem with headphones, anyone got any tips for how to track down my no sound problem? The driver module for my sound card shows with lsmod, from there I don't know where to go |
| 02:00.12 | Caelum | magyar: the point of rescue is to give you a shell |
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| 02:00.17 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, me? |
| 02:00.21 | Caelum | magyar: if you want a menu, run the installer |
| 02:00.27 | streuner | yes |
| 02:00.33 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, it's not the repos |
| 02:00.48 | SerajewelKS | kjdis: modprobe -r themodule; modprobe themodule |
| 02:00.49 | goingtomoonbrb | It's a RPM I converted with alien to .deb and tried to install with dpkg -i |
| 02:00.57 | streuner | ok, show us the whole error is paster bot too :-) |
| 02:00.58 | SerajewelKS | kjdis: also check the mixer, verify that the levels are up |
| 02:01.06 | kjdis | alsa-config? |
| 02:01.08 | goingtomoonbrb | !paste |
| 02:01.08 | dpkg | paste is probably Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 02:01.14 | SerajewelKS | kjdis: alsamixer |
| 02:01.21 | beardy | kjdis: Do you have a real soundcard? |
| 02:01.21 | magyar | Caelum: i get a shell and it supose to mount my inst on /target, but guess what its not there, i try to mount manualy and it fails |
| 02:01.26 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: and remove that alien package :-) |
| 02:01.29 | beardy | kjdis: Anything using it? |
| 02:01.32 | kjdis | no it's onboard but it worked yesterday |
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| 02:01.46 | kjdis | well I doubt something is using it since I've rebooted several times today |
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| 02:02.11 | magyar | Caelum: and i cant run the installer cause 2.6.17 doesnt support the hardware |
| 02:02.22 | aios | my laptop fan is running non-stop, how can i fix this? |
| 02:02.28 | gimmulf | How do i install the exim4 |
| 02:02.37 | beardy | kjdis: Ok, then nothing should be using it. Something has obviously happened between yesterday and today then. What have you done on the system? |
| 02:02.41 | streuner | apt-get install exim4? |
| 02:02.47 | abrotman | power management utilities |
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| 02:02.55 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/paste |
| 02:02.58 | goingtomoonbrb | oops |
| 02:03.05 | magyar | Caelum: therefore errors out "Cant find CDROM device" |
| 02:03.06 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4400 |
| 02:03.13 | Caelum | magyar: try knoppix |
| 02:03.13 | kjdis | I built a new kernel and setup a software RAID, but when I config'd the new kernel all I did was reuse my config and add the sata driver for my mobo |
| 02:03.14 | eeyore- | aios: CPU? |
| 02:03.36 | kjdis | and since lsmod shows the module, it's getting built and installed, could it be an IRQ problem? |
| 02:03.37 | magyar | Caelum: do you know if it is 2.6.18? |
| 02:03.49 | abrotman | eeyore-: don't you ever go home ? |
| 02:03.49 | Caelum | magyar: checking... |
| 02:03.51 | beardy | kjdis: There you have it then. It's something wrong with your kernel, because if it doesn't work, it doesn't work. |
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| 02:04.00 | asg | abrotman: his tail is up, he's in the home stretch |
| 02:04.05 | eeyore- | abrotman: not today. ibm fucks up and i have to stay here and preps a machine for tomorrow's sales demo |
| 02:04.17 | aios | eeyore-: it works normally under windows, so its not because of the load |
| 02:04.18 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: sure it cannot find an archive, its not in debian... |
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| 02:04.22 | abrotman | eeyore-: shit rolls downhill ? :) |
| 02:04.26 | eeyore- | i absolutely went apeshit over ibm today. i am going to have to make them mail me a letter of apology |
| 02:04.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: free hardware! |
| 02:04.45 | beardy | eeyore-: Best of luck. |
| 02:04.45 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, absolutely sure. |
| 02:04.46 | Caelum | magyar: knoppix is 2.6.17 |
| 02:04.54 | magyar | bahh |
| 02:04.59 | kjdis | beardy: that's too simple an assesment though |
| 02:05.10 | eeyore- | abrotman: short story, 24-hour support? what 24-hour support? :-) |
| 02:05.13 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, the repos I have don't have that cups driver, looking around online the only reccomendation was to take the rpm supplied by lexmark and convert it to .deb an dinstall it |
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| 02:05.23 | goingtomoonbrb | so I did that, and now it's broken apt ftw. |
| 02:05.26 | eeyore- | abrotman: (uh, 24-hour turnaround time for tech to come fix your problems) |
| 02:05.37 | eeyore- | it's been, what, 72 hours and counting |
| 02:05.42 | abrotman | eeyore-: they count in hex ? only one character? |
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| 02:06.13 | Caelum | magyar: if you're sure the rescue option loads the drivers for your HD chipset, but doesn't mount your inst, you could try to mknod the right device under /dev and mount it yourself... |
| 02:06.27 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: just move the files for z600cups in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ to /tmp |
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| 02:06.48 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: and try 'apt-get -f install' |
| 02:07.09 | beardy | kjdis: Check your kernel config again. And, why have the sounds as a module? You'll always want to have it available anyway. |
| 02:07.18 | streuner | (dirty hack) |
| 02:07.19 | eeyore- | aios: no, i was asking for the CPU |
| 02:07.22 | beardy | s/sounds/sound/ |
| 02:07.41 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, same result |
| 02:07.42 | kjdis | It was a module because I started with someone else's setup awhole back and just kept modifying the config |
| 02:07.49 | kjdis | I found a problem though |
| 02:07.51 | goingtomoonbrb | E: The package z600cups needs to be reinstalled, but I can't find an archive for it. |
| 02:07.53 | aios | eeyore-: amd64 |
| 02:08.00 | ahlfors | hopefully asking this won't get me banned, but: Anyone know when firefox 2.0 will hit sid? |
| 02:08.04 | eeyore- | aios: mobile? powernow? |
| 02:08.19 | kjdis | AC'97 1 does not respond - RESET |
| 02:08.19 | kjdis | AC'97 1 access is not valid [0xffffffff], removing mixer. |
| 02:08.19 | kjdis | Unable to initialize codec #1 |
| 02:08.28 | eeyore- | aios: kernel version? |
| 02:08.38 | dondelelcaro | ahlfors: it's in experimental; it may not hit sid for a while, primarily because it's not clear that it's stable enough to be released any time soon. |
| 02:08.41 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: what happens if you try to dpkg install it again? |
| 02:09.04 | aios | eeyore-: turion, 2.6.17 |
| 02:09.08 | kjdis | prob some stupid hardware issue with SATA and sound on this mobo |
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| 02:09.39 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, can you go to #debian_flood? |
| 02:09.52 | eeyore- | aios: did you modprobe the proper ACPI modules? |
| 02:09.55 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: /j #flood |
| 02:09.56 | dondelelcaro | goingtomoonbrb: best to just use #flood |
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| 02:10.03 | goingtomoonbrb | oh, right |
| 02:10.10 | goingtomoonbrb | #debian_flood doesn't exist, woo |
| 02:10.17 | ahlfors | dondelelcaro, thanks. I figured it might not be stable enough yet, but I was interesting in trying it |
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| 02:10.45 | eeyore- | aios: find /lib/modules/*/kernel/arch/i386/kernel/cpu/cpufreq |
| 02:10.48 | asg | ahlfors: if you just want to try it, you could always download their binary and stuff it in /usr/local. |
| 02:11.13 | kjdis | ok so it's a known issue I guess, not sure how I triggered it but I did |
| 02:11.14 | Caelum | how do you see what dist a package version is in? (ie, sid, experimental, testing...) apt-cache show doesn't seem to show that |
| 02:11.27 | asg | Caelum: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 02:11.32 | kjdis | thanks for the tip, I never really though about removing and then reloading the module to get me kernel messages as a lead |
| 02:11.32 | Caelum | asg: thank you |
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| 02:11.48 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: well, fix the script /var/lib/dpkg/info/z600cups.postrm |
| 02:12.02 | ahlfors | asg, it might be a personal hangup, but putting a substantial app in /usr/local is like not showering. After a day or two I feel dirty and want to fix it. |
| 02:12.33 | asg | ahlfors: well, you can just delete it then; no harm, no foul. |
| 02:12.43 | eeyore- | shower, dirty, ah ... saline valley outdoor shower :-) |
| 02:12.49 | asg | ahlfors: or stick it in /usr/local/dirty-laundry |
| 02:12.51 | eeyore- | love that place |
| 02:13.42 | streuner | goingtomoonbrb: if you going to mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/z600cups.postrm to /tmp the same error occurs? |
| 02:13.52 | gimmulf | Shouldnt there be an exim.conf created when installing exim4? all i can find is an exim4.conf-template |
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| 02:14.01 | eeyore- | ahlfors: have you seen the six-day underwear? |
| 02:14.10 | aios | eeyore-: im there. ... and? ... actually, could you point me to documentation that would help me out? i new to linux, and i dont want to be abusing your time by asking the step by step |
| 02:14.16 | asg | gimmulf: /usr/share/doc/exim4-config/README.Debian{.gz} |
| 02:14.30 | eeyore- | aios: try "modprobe acpi-cpufreq" first of all :-) |
| 02:14.55 | gimmulf | asg: how do i use it, havent usined gz before, should i just extract it into /etc/exim ? |
| 02:14.55 | eeyore- | aios: or try "modprobe powernow-k7" (or -k8), if that works better. |
| 02:15.08 | asg | gimmulf: zless foo.gz |
| 02:15.33 | asg | gimmulf: it's a compressed text file containing the hows and whys of exim4 and its configuration as it exists in Debian. |
| 02:16.11 | eeyore- | has anybody seen the microsoft 3d earth thingie? awesome. the elevation data is much better than google's in places |
| 02:16.19 | aios | eeyore-: the first two gave me errors, the last one didnt do anything |
| 02:16.27 | abrotman | eeyore-: terraserver ? |
| 02:16.30 | eeyore- | aios: "dmesg | less", see last few lines |
| 02:16.36 | eeyore- | abrotman: no, google earth competition |
| 02:16.47 | abrotman | eeyore-: what's google .. what's earth ? |
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| 02:17.22 | aios | eeyore-: "this module only works with amd k7 cpus" |
| 02:17.29 | Arafangion | abrotman: You are sometimes very philosophical :) |
| 02:17.42 | eeyore- | aios: lsmod | grep cpufreq ? output? |
| 02:17.54 | streuner | eeyore-: there is a version for linux too |
| 02:17.55 | aios | eeyore-: "acpi_cpufreq: unknown symbol cpu_online_map" is the one before that |
| 02:18.00 | abrotman | Arafangion: that's what all the kids say |
| 02:18.12 | eeyore- | aios: mmmmmmmm, really?!?! |
| 02:18.17 | eeyore- | aios: debian standard kernel? |
| 02:18.27 | aios | eeyore-: eeeeeeee... no :# |
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| 02:18.39 | eeyore- | aios: *twap* |
| 02:18.45 | streuner | eeyore-: oh, you talked about MS, no didn't see that |
| 02:18.50 | aios | eeyore-: i can't find help anywhere, so i got desperate |
| 02:19.00 | Arafangion | abrotman: :) |
| 02:19.13 | eeyore- | aios: go with debian standard kernel and we'll talk again :-) acpi-cpufreq *should* do what you want, along with the proper CPU scheduler |
| 02:19.22 | eeyore- | aios: uh, no. not cpu scheduler. task scheduler. |
| 02:19.28 | aios | eeyore-: im on ubuntu actually .. i thought it'd be close enough |
| 02:19.40 | Supaplex | !debian like |
| 02:19.48 | eeyore- | aios: well, doesn't matter ... just go grab the "official kernel" without missing symbols :-) |
| 02:19.53 | Arafangion | abrotman: Have you heard from kylewis recently? He's... vanished. |
| 02:20.04 | asg | !seen kylewis |
| 02:20.05 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'kylewis', asg |
| 02:20.11 | abrotman | Arafangion: from .. who ? |
| 02:20.24 | eeyore- | streuner: i was talking about the microsoft version. it's pretty neat. too bad it needs IE. |
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| 02:20.44 | aios | eeyore-: that stuff is all way over my head. i love learning that stuff but still, its a lot of stuff |
| 02:20.50 | Arafangion | abrotman: I could've sworn you knew him on irc.buzzpot.net |
| 02:20.57 | streuner | hm, that's getting better and better :-) |
| 02:21.13 | aios | eeyore-: thanks for you help, btw |
| 02:21.19 | abrotman | wtf is buzzpot ? |
| 02:21.19 | eeyore- | aios: what can i say? your kernel is missing chunks (unknown symbol ....) so, hey, man, go grab a non-broken kernel for your distribution :-) |
| 02:21.36 | Arafangion | abrotman: Must've been alindeman |
| 02:21.51 | Arafangion | abrotman: Nevermind :) |
| 02:22.08 | abrotman | perhaps |
| 02:22.13 | eeyore- | aios: the reason cpu power saving doesn't work for you is because your kernel is broken :-) fix that, all should work. |
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| 02:23.37 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, fixed it |
| 02:23.44 | streuner | How? |
| 02:23.53 | goingtomoonbrb | streuner, had to re-alien the package so that it didn't include scripts, and then modify the scripts |
| 02:24.09 | goingtomoonbrb | The first time I had alien'd it, I specified the --scripts option, so it was using the rpm scripts |
| 02:24.18 | goingtomoonbrb | and then it always overwrote the modified scripts when I ran dpkg -i |
| 02:24.31 | aios | eeyore-: where do i start? i just download the kernel, compile it, install reboot ? i mean, if its 'broken' there's probably a reason, so i guess i'd have to learn about all that first. |
| 02:24.46 | gimmulf | asg: should i just run debconf exim4? |
| 02:25.24 | streuner | eeyore-: well, i just heard on TV MS want live with Linux in cooperation... ;-) |
| 02:25.25 | eeyore- | aios: doesn't ubuntu have package management? |
| 02:25.25 | gimmulf | asg: readme says it supports debconf but doesnt show howto use it |
| 02:25.25 | rockstar_ | Hm, I've got a dual display, and it seems to be messing up my mplayer. I am using xv as the vo method. |
| 02:25.25 | streuner | and now you have to use IE :-) |
| 02:25.25 | aios | eeyore-: apt-get |
| 02:25.28 | eeyore- | aios: apt-get update; apt-get upgrade? |
| 02:25.34 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 02:25.46 | rockstar_ | streuner, Yeah, they're getting in bed with Novell. |
| 02:25.57 | rockstar_ | You ever used SuSe? Man, might as well use Windows. |
| 02:26.02 | streuner | rockstar_: ah, right, you got it |
| 02:26.06 | aios | eeyore-: i did that this morning |
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| 02:27.28 | aios | eeyore-: funny how ubuntu has the biggest freenode channel, but its where i get the less answers ... everyone in there is just like me so its pointless |
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| 02:28.16 | eeyore- | aios: and, did it upgrade your kernel? |
| 02:28.19 | abrotman | aios: lurkers don't count |
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| 02:28.55 | eeyore- | aios: did you also reboot? did you try running "depmod -a" command afterwards? :-) the symbol it's missing, something or other, did you grep for that in System.map file? |
| 02:28.59 | aios | eeyore-: it upgraded everything - it switched it to the new os version |
| 02:29.33 | beardy | dpkg: qotd177 is <reply> < aios> eeyore-: funny how ubuntu has the biggest freenode channel, but its where i get the less answers ... everyone in there is just like me so its pointless |
| 02:29.33 | dpkg | beardy: okay |
| 02:29.40 | aios | eeyore-: like i said, i have to first learn about that stuff before i can do these things :) |
| 02:29.42 | eeyore- | aios: run "depmod -a" now? |
| 02:30.43 | aios | eeyore-: ran.. |
| 02:30.58 | Kurtism | is linux-source-2.6.17 2.6.17-9 the latest debian patched source? |
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| 02:31.08 | quintin | so |
| 02:31.22 | quintin | I was talking about adding a 250g drive to a old pii |
| 02:31.44 | abrotman | no you weren't |
| 02:31.45 | quintin | what if... I got a pci usb2 controller, and a huge usb2 hard drive... I could do that, and not worry about lba limitations, yes? |
| 02:31.53 | streuner | eeyore-: is that neccessary? |
| 02:32.07 | asg | gimmulf: basically, you use dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config. If you want a monolithic config that you code yourself, just create /etc/exim4/exim4.conf and it will ignore the debian config. |
| 02:32.17 | quintin | and then use a small internal drive for /, and the usb2 drive for /home |
| 02:32.19 | quintin | right?! |
| 02:34.49 | Supaplex | quintin: I would suspect that would work. Is a BIOS upgrade available? |
| 02:35.14 | quintin | Supaplex: the last BIOS is dated 1999. I didn't see any release notes, so no idea if it is lba or lba48 |
| 02:36.07 | eeyore- | sorry, was away |
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| 02:36.31 | eeyore- | streuner: not sure. was odd. cpu_online_map is a data item. it should *not* have been in any module. |
| 02:36.48 | eeyore- | aios: show me output of "ls /lib/modules" |
| 02:36.52 | Caelum | I'm trying to delete an iptables rule, it shows up in iptables -L -t nat (it's the only rule) but iptables -D nat 1 doesn't work, what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:37.06 | quintin | eeyore-: hihi |
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| 02:37.12 | streuner | eeyore-: ubuntu has there own channel |
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| 02:37.27 | eeyore- | streuner: well, it's kind of a linux thing, no? :-) |
| 02:37.28 | asg | Caelum: #iptables can probably answer the question. |
| 02:37.35 | Supaplex | Caelum: -t is for table, so try -t nat -D ... |
| 02:37.43 | streuner | eeyore-: ##linux exists too |
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| 02:37.55 | NaufraGo | is there any app to send mms for free? |
| 02:37.58 | Supaplex | or delete all iptables rules with simply -F on that table. (man iptables) |
| 02:38.58 | Caelum | Supaplex: that worked, thank you |
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| 02:40.20 | eeyore- | streuner: ok, hint taken. more like beaten and bashed in ... |
| 02:41.58 | eeyore- | quintin: freebie computer? |
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| 02:43.05 | aios | eeyore-: 2.6.15-23-386 2.6.17-10-386 |
| 02:43.30 | quintin | eeyore-: ah...hmmm? |
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| 02:44.04 | eeyore- | aios: "uname -r", let's do this in /msg, cuz i've been told :-) |
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| 02:45.49 | eeyore- | traffic jam on the way to the mall: http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g223/Moab2006/088-4x6-300-72.jpg |
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| 02:46.36 | asg | eeyore-: the common expressways were not designed for personal tanks |
| 02:47.02 | tacocat | bleah! |
| 02:47.12 | tacocat | Anyone having problems with recent windowmaker upgrades? |
| 02:47.34 | quintin | eeyore-: Do you think that will be a good idea? |
| 02:47.37 | streuner | tacocat: what does BTS say about? |
| 02:47.47 | tacocat | I lost all my mouse behaviour. icons don't respond to the mouse. |
| 02:47.52 | tacocat | BTS? |
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| 02:48.02 | tacocat | just a sec. |
| 02:48.03 | streuner | !tell tacocat about bts |
| 02:48.15 | eeyore- | quintin: what will? usb external HD? why? waste of money. better to buy a better motherboard + cpu + memory (what, < $300 these days?) |
| 02:48.38 | quintin | eeyore-: it would cost less than that though. |
| 02:48.56 | gimmulf | asg: hmmm been looking in the conf.d/ of exim but cant find any file containing local_delivery: |
| 02:49.04 | quintin | eeyore-: just what I have seeen so far.. 250g hdd + enclosure 99, usb2 controller 14.99, shipping 12.. |
| 02:49.07 | gimmulf | asg: shouldnt it be located in transport/ ? |
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| 02:49.53 | tacocat | There's a bug -- apparently the new upgrade wipes everything out. nice... |
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| 02:50.33 | tacocat | problem is, no fix and I'm fscked. |
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| 02:51.20 | abrotman | is the bug reported ? |
| 02:51.28 | streuner | should be fixed very soon, or just re-install the old package |
| 02:51.52 | tacocat | Yes it is. #394802. I think #395863 applies to. It's a real mess. |
| 02:52.02 | tacocat | I'll have to figure out how to downgrade just that one package. |
| 02:52.04 | abrotman | are you running unstable ? |
| 02:52.10 | tacocat | Or does aptitude make this easier? |
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| 02:52.15 | tacocat | --no I'm running testing. |
| 02:52.23 | abrotman | !sdn |
| 02:52.23 | dpkg | well, sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
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| 02:53.15 | quentan | how to get x11 video? i had xserver-xorg-video-i810, -vesa and -vga installed yet i don't have x11 vo for mplayer. |
| 02:53.18 | quintin | tacocat: that's not a bug; it's a feature. |
| 02:53.27 | tacocat | like heck it is... |
| 02:55.15 | tacocat | So how do I get the previous package? It's not in stable or testing... |
| 02:56.36 | tacocat | I think I need 0.92-5 instead of -6. That's the previous one, but it's not in any "branch" |
| 02:56.54 | streuner | scroll up, abrotman told you |
| 02:57.07 | streuner | or just look into /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 02:57.08 | abrotman | yeah! |
| 02:57.08 | NaufraGo | is there any app to send mms for free? |
| 02:57.24 | quintin | NaufraGo: yes. it's called the internet. |
| 02:59.02 | quentan | what is that suppose to mean? |
| 02:59.09 | rsteele | you tell me |
| 02:59.10 | abrotman | they're fucking peanuts |
| 02:59.13 | quintin | quentan: begone, imposter. |
| 02:59.17 | NaufraGo | can you be more specific quintin? |
| 02:59.20 | eeyore- | you know, that's a shame. how come debian servers don't have RAID or backup policies to prevent this sort of catastrophic data loss? |
| 02:59.26 | eeyore- | it's not like they're new concepts |
| 02:59.31 | abrotman | eeyore-: it's not official |
| 02:59.32 | quintin | NaufraGo: There are a million web sites to send text messages. |
| 02:59.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: it was hosted in some guy's apt iirc |
| 02:59.56 | eeyore- | well. ok. still, hey, software-raid, anyone? :-) |
| 03:00.00 | NaufraGo | I want to send free multimedia messages |
| 03:00.15 | tacocat | http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/pool/w/wmaker/binary-i386/ just has release notes. |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | eeyore-: punchcards? |
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| 03:01.04 | NaufraGo | quintin, do you know anything about that? |
| 03:01.09 | abrotman | eeyore-: if all the source packages were checked into cvs .. probably wouldn't be an issue :) |
| 03:01.10 | eeyore- | mmm, at least i'm having sukiyaki ... thai style, with spicy tofu sauce :-) |
| 03:01.21 | tacocat | I found something... .dsc and .diff.gz files... What do I do with these? I'm not familiar with them. |
| 03:01.22 | quintin | NaufraGo: hmm.. nope. might google for web sites. I just send regular txt messages, not multimedia |
| 03:01.27 | eeyore- | so at least working late tonight, i won't be hungry |
| 03:01.40 | abrotman | eeyore-: that's not really consolation .. IBM still owes you a letter! |
| 03:01.47 | eeyore- | abrotman: damn straight! |
| 03:01.54 | eeyore- | abrotman: gonna tape it to my wall, dammit |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: tell them you're switching to dell! |
| 03:02.12 | eeyore- | can't. we already use dell :-) |
| 03:02.21 | eeyore- | maybe "we'll switch to gateway!" |
| 03:02.55 | abrotman | switching to .. uhm .. PB workstations ? :) |
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| 03:03.50 | eeyore- | "we'll switch to iPods!" |
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| 03:06.26 | abrotman | eeyore-: xserve! |
| 03:06.38 | larsbars | hi. i just installed sid and the commands "xset m * *" have no effect on my mouse speed. is this the wrong way to adjust it? |
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| 03:07.05 | tacocat | Well... downgrading didn't fix anything. |
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| 03:07.48 | Vanpriest | hi, someone can tell me why i cant send email trough mailx.. |
| 03:08.03 | abrotman | is your smtp server setup correctly ? |
| 03:08.10 | Vanpriest | i type mailx destinationemail, then type the subject, entr the msg, then push ctrl + D, and enter... |
| 03:08.15 | Vanpriest | hmmm |
| 03:08.21 | Vanpriest | i did apt-get install smtpd |
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| 03:09.52 | eeyore- | tacocat: what's it supposed to fix? |
| 03:09.56 | eeyore- | bah |
| 03:10.19 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: OK, you "installed" smtpd, great. did you *configure* it? :-p |
| 03:10.36 | slept | how does the system handle a core duo, is it just the kernel or do i need more to take full advantage ? |
| 03:10.49 | abrotman | kernel |
| 03:10.50 | eeyore- | slept: just kernel |
| 03:10.53 | slept | good |
| 03:11.33 | Vanpriest | eeyore-: how do i configure it, actually , wher is the conf files? theres no etc/smtp |
| 03:11.37 | daeos | question: debian has a package for JDBC Connector ? |
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| 03:12.26 | slept | but each process is limited to one processor, so if i do a complicated calculation it wont help to have 2 processors ? |
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| 03:13.30 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: exim or postfix? (i only work with postfix) |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | !drec |
| 03:14.10 | abrotman | !drec me |
| 03:14.10 | dpkg | abrotman: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config # run it as root |
| 03:14.23 | eeyore- | slept: "complicated calculation" will have to be parallelizable in order to benefit. it's not trivial to turn any arbitrary sequential computation to make it parallel |
| 03:14.24 | Vanpriest | postfix |
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| 03:14.38 | Vanpriest | eeyore-: postfix |
| 03:14.59 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: ok, did you edit /etc/postfix/main.cf ? |
| 03:15.14 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: run "mailq" recently? |
| 03:15.20 | Vanpriest | mailq? |
| 03:15.22 | Vanpriest | no i didnt |
| 03:15.34 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: 'tail -f /var/log/mail.log' ? |
| 03:15.40 | eeyore- | those are for your debugging :-) |
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| 03:16.02 | slept | eeyore-, thanks |
| 03:16.32 | daeos | debian has a package for JDBC Connector ? |
| 03:16.54 | eeyore- | slept: other than that, linux might be smart enough to try to balance job between 2 CPUs. but, as of current kernel, there's no support for CPU migration. (watch me eat my foot, again) |
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| 03:17.53 | Vanpriest | Nov 7 21:17:54 localhost postfix/smtp[17886]: B1AEA15FC008: to=<vietboy0@hotmail.com>, relay=mx3.hotmail.com[65.54.244.200]:25, delay=32, delays=1.2/0.01/30/0.28, dsn=2.0.0, status=sent (250 <20061108031723.B1AEA15FC008@localhost.localdomain> Queued mail for delivery) |
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| 03:17.56 | freespace | tomato or sweet n sour? |
| 03:18.14 | Vanpriest | Nov 7 21:17:54 localhost postfix/qmgr[16654]: B1AEA15FC008: removed |
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| 03:21.42 | eeyore- | wait. ok. i'm confused. is there support for operator-driven CPU migration of tasks? |
| 03:22.36 | eeyore- | Vanpriest: looks like message was delivered |
| 03:22.53 | Vanpriest | when i go in telnet trough port 25 |
| 03:22.56 | abrotman | yes |
| 03:23.03 | Vanpriest | and type ehlo locahost |
| 03:23.04 | eeyore- | abrotman: "yes"? |
| 03:23.10 | Vanpriest | there no 250=AUTH |
| 03:23.11 | abrotman | cpu affinity .. and i believe there's a program to manipulate that |
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| 03:27.49 | eeyore- | abrotman: yeah, i see the source code. interesting. i'll try to bind our stuff to 1 core and see what kind of improvement we get :-) |
| 03:28.32 | abrotman | eeyore-: improvement ? |
| 03:29.35 | eeyore- | abrotman: we're doing demos on dual-core machines now, and some of our customers run our software on dual-core machines ... |
| 03:29.52 | eeyore- | the software is fairly cpu intensive, cache sensitive ... |
| 03:29.52 | abrotman | okay .. so you want to slow it down ? |
| 03:30.03 | abrotman | isn't the software threaded ? |
| 03:30.06 | eeyore- | no, we want to keep it on one CPU for the cache benefit |
| 03:30.23 | abrotman | i thought DC CPUs shared the cache |
| 03:30.25 | eeyore- | it may be threaded but everything can't run independently. it's simulating clocked system ... |
| 03:30.33 | Arsenick | I need some help here setting up a ossim in a XEN VM with debian testing and the ossim repository.. with a standard debian testing the repository work fine.. but in my VM if I add the repo then apt-get update I can see the list downloaded but if I type apt-cache search ossim I can't find anything.. someone already saw that kind of problem ? |
| 03:30.56 | abrotman | eeyore-: this is where directhex is useful :) |
| 03:31.01 | eeyore- | so in master-clocked system things still have to happen in sequential order, so there's no benefit in writing software models in threads |
| 03:31.25 | Kurtism | how do I remove the crap installed by "m-a prepare" |
| 03:31.58 | abrotman | like you remove any other package |
| 03:32.24 | eeyore- | abrotman: Core2 might share cache ... |
| 03:32.56 | abrotman | yeah .. i don't know what architecture you're using |
| 03:33.09 | Kurtism | m-a prepare installed a bunch of stuff but I'm not 100% sure what.... I realized after the fact that I can't do make menuconfig with stuff downloaded via m-a prepare |
| 03:33.22 | abrotman | eh ... |
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| 03:33.34 | Kurtism | I had to do aptitude install linux-source-2.6.17 |
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| 03:34.59 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 03:35.17 | abrotman | i'm going to jail! ... |
| 03:35.41 | Kurtism | why? |
| 03:36.01 | eeyore- | abrotman: the voting thing? (the phone call) |
| 03:36.16 | abrotman | eeyore-: voting thing ? |
| 03:36.18 | abrotman | for work |
| 03:36.28 | abrotman | i get to spend tomorrow in smelly chemical row! |
| 03:36.53 | abrotman | and it's going to be raining .. which will make the drive that much better! |
| 03:39.58 | eeyore- | abrotman: "the voting thing" = there's a campaign out there to call people at random and say they're registered in such and such district and that if they show up to vote tomorrow they'll be arrested, or some such. |
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| 03:40.06 | eeyore- | abrotman: you said "i'm going to jail" :-) |
| 03:40.14 | abrotman | oh .. |
| 03:40.19 | abrotman | no .. it's for word |
| 03:40.22 | abrotman | work |
| 03:40.35 | eeyore- | say hi to bubba |
| 03:41.21 | abrotman | i'm not allowed in the same free space as them |
| 03:41.56 | abrotman | more like the other way around i suppose |
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| 03:50.50 | eeyore- | abrotman: you didn't grovel enough |
| 03:51.06 | abrotman | eeyore-: i'll send you a blade chassis! |
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| 03:52.17 | daeos | i know this question is for mysql, but is debian related |
| 03:52.19 | daeos | for debian install what path would apt-get install the mysql bin files to? /usr/bin ? or /usr/local/bin/mysql ?? |
| 03:52.33 | Guerin | daeos: /usr |
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| 03:52.50 | Guerin | daeos: /usr/local isn't used by debian packages, it's for things you do manually |
| 03:52.56 | daeos | ok |
| 03:53.01 | daeos | so in /usr/bin |
| 03:53.07 | daeos | ok |
| 03:53.09 | daeos | thanks |
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| 03:55.05 | abrotman | daeos: dpkg -L <pkg> |
| 03:56.04 | daeos | thanks |
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| 03:56.53 | sanmarcos | what can I do if my primary dns is failing? but my secondary is working? |
| 03:57.10 | Guerin | sanmarcos: you don't have to do anything |
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| 03:57.42 | Guerin | if clients get a fail or no response from one nameserver, they'll try the backup |
| 03:58.25 | sanmarcos | what does time to live exceeded mean? |
| 03:58.54 | Guerin | time to live means the time an entry will be cached |
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| 03:58.57 | abrotman | hope you've got your affairs in order |
| 03:59.27 | sanmarcos | what is that supposed to mean? |
| 03:59.39 | abrotman | #dns |
| 03:59.51 | Guerin | sanmarcos: the shortest explanation is 'if you can't read the BIND manual, you can't run a named' |
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| 04:01.15 | abrotman | repeat it! |
| 04:01.18 | sanmarcos | repeat what? |
| 04:01.23 | Guerin | sanmarcos: the shortest explanation is 'if you can't read the BIND manual, you can't run a named' |
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| 04:01.28 | dusk | whats your favorite bittorrent client? :) |
| 04:01.33 | Guerin | !poll |
| 04:01.33 | dpkg | "Does anyone have X or use Y?" is taking a poll, not asking a valid question. Don't do it or sussudio's army of militant badgers will hurt you. Also see <ask> and <bad polls> |
| 04:01.45 | sanmarcos | Guerin: I am not running a dns server |
| 04:01.52 | sanmarcos | Guerin: its the fscking isp |
| 04:01.57 | Guerin | sanmarcos: then you don't need to care about time to live |
| 04:02.08 | Guerin | sanmarcos: call them anmd swear at them. This is not your problem. |
| 04:02.13 | sanmarcos | Guerin: btw, can I put lots of dnss in /etc/resolv.conf ? such as a free dns services as back up? |
| 04:02.20 | Guerin | sanmarcos: three. |
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| 04:02.26 | Guerin | sanmarcos: man resolv.conf |
| 04:02.58 | sanmarcos | Guerin: no, I wont bother because ill get redirected to fscking india, wait for 1 hour for them to confirm that the dns servers are down, and I wont understand what the crap the indian is saying |
| 04:03.20 | sanmarcos | I have to say, they do a great job on keeping customers from calling |
| 04:03.46 | Guerin | sanmarcos: refuse to pay |
| 04:04.14 | sanmarcos | I have ATT (California), and if I cancel my dsl, my phone bill goes way up |
| 04:04.17 | abrotman | use a caching dns ? |
| 04:04.21 | sanmarcos | I have years of contracts, they lock you in |
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| 04:04.26 | Guerin | sanmarcos: sucka. |
| 04:04.28 | sanmarcos | abrotman: I have a dns cache running on a local server (dnsmasqd) |
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| 04:04.38 | caseyjunior | LOL |
| 04:04.43 | caseyjunior | DEBIAN = LOL. |
| 04:04.48 | abrotman | sanmarcos: though maybe to restart your modem? |
| 04:04.49 | abrotman | !ops caseyjunior |
| 04:04.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: abrotman complains about: caseyjunior |
| 04:04.54 | Guerin | sanmarcos: 4.2.2.[1-6] are root servers which are slow, but work |
| 04:04.55 | u221e | How far is etch from being stable? |
| 04:04.56 | caseyjunior | ANDJ00 R ALL DEBIAN FGS? |
| 04:04.58 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 04:04.59 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 04:05.01 | caseyjunior | USE WINDOWS, IT IS MORE STABLE |
| 04:05.02 | sanmarcos | Guerin: thanks |
| 04:05.05 | caseyjunior | AND EASY TO SETUP |
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| 04:05.09 | Guerin | u221e: |<----this far----->| |
| 04:05.10 | caseyjunior | DEBIAN IS FAILURE |
| 04:05.12 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 04:05.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@128.163.239.254] by peterS |
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| 04:05.12 | *** mode/#debian [-o peterS] by peterS |
| 04:05.16 | abrotman | peterS: thank you |
| 04:05.26 | *** mode/#debian [-o mentor] by ChanServ |
| 04:05.35 | abrotman | the "dude" probably put him over the edge .. he'll be stunned for days |
| 04:05.39 | peterS | (: |
| 04:05.42 | gravity | peterS ftw |
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| 04:05.55 | sanmarcos | Guerin: that fixed it |
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| 04:05.58 | Guerin | opwars! |
| 04:06.09 | peterS | heh |
| 04:06.13 | abrotman | !popcorn Guerin |
| 04:06.16 | abrotman | oh well |
| 04:06.26 | mentor | Fellow of the Green Society? |
| 04:06.26 | abrotman | dpkg: start an op war |
| 04:06.28 | mentor | :) |
| 04:06.29 | abrotman | :( |
| 04:06.30 | Guerin | i have beer and smoked sausages, what need I for popcorn |
| 04:06.31 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:06.54 | Guerin | mentor: Fluffy Grass Cleaner? |
| 04:07.16 | mentor | Tins of building expanding foam with small explosive charges attached? Industrial popcorn. |
| 04:07.26 | Guerin | choice |
| 04:07.38 | Guerin | not as yummy as regular popcorn, though |
| 04:07.48 | mentor | I beg to differ. |
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| 04:08.17 | mentor | Mind you, I never quite got the hang of liking popcorn |
| 04:08.18 | Guerin | an independent third party iss required to arbitrate. |
| 04:08.31 | Guerin | I nominate ... nvz |
| 04:08.31 | mentor | #gentoo |
| 04:08.38 | Guerin | close enough |
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| 04:09.11 | colorLov` | Guerin: regarding the poll, would it be fair to ask "Please recommend a bittorent client for Debian." |
| 04:09.27 | Guerin | colorLov`: too polite |
| 04:10.43 | sanmarcos | for debian, rtorrent, console |
| 04:10.51 | sanmarcos | transmission, nice, but banned from all the good trackersw |
| 04:11.08 | sanmarcos | MonoTorrent looks awesome, though its very early in development |
| 04:11.15 | sanmarcos | azureus, its java, should I say more? |
| 04:11.24 | Agrajag- | i use azureus it's great |
| 04:11.38 | sanmarcos | how much gigs of ram? |
| 04:11.40 | abrotman | people actually use bittorrent ? |
| 04:12.11 | sanmarcos | yes to download the internets |
| 04:12.22 | Guerin | colorLov`: i use rtorrent. |
| 04:12.25 | sanmarcos | you know, explicit imagery and moving images, and so on |
| 04:12.35 | sanmarcos | remember that tinc, abrotman |
| 04:12.41 | Guerin | mono=eew |
| 04:12.48 | u221e | Hm... I guess I'll try installing etch. |
| 04:12.52 | abrotman | HI! |
| 04:13.17 | sanmarcos | Guerin: yes, its propietary crap |
| 04:13.25 | sanmarcos | but its feels faster than java |
| 04:13.32 | Agrajag- | mono is proprietary? |
| 04:13.37 | Guerin | no |
| 04:13.41 | Guerin | mono i free software |
| 04:13.46 | sanmarcos | ECMA C# isnt, but .NET is |
| 04:13.51 | Agrajag- | yeah i know.. dunno where sanmarcos came up with that |
| 04:13.56 | Guerin | but it's also made by the eejits who brought us gnome and ximian |
| 04:14.09 | sanmarcos | whats an eejit? |
| 04:14.12 | abrotman | ximian was a company smartass |
| 04:14.24 | sanmarcos | a company of monkeys? |
| 04:14.35 | Guerin | abrotman: ximian was a desktop concept |
| 04:14.40 | abrotman | it was a company |
| 04:14.45 | Guerin | abrotman: but you know what I'm talking about |
| 04:14.45 | bvk | newbie-question: how do i add new kernel modules into initrd.img? |
| 04:14.52 | abrotman | Guerin: you left out red carpet :) |
| 04:14.56 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:15.01 | Guerin | red crapet? |
| 04:15.11 | abrotman | but i see no comment about Nautilus .. which Eazel did |
| 04:15.19 | abrotman | !eazel |
| 04:15.19 | dpkg | i guess eazel is a company which make programs for linux (www.eazel.com), ask about nautilus. |
| 04:15.22 | abrotman | hehe |
| 04:15.28 | sanmarcos | eazel went broke |
| 04:15.43 | Guerin | sanmarcos: an eejit is someone who is so much of an idiot that they disgrace other idiots |
| 04:15.59 | Guerin | sanmarcos: normally preceded by the word 'feckin' |
| 04:16.00 | sanmarcos | ahhh |
| 04:16.04 | abrotman | think .. darwin awards :) |
| 04:16.42 | abrotman | sanmarcos: do you know who rick santorum is? |
| 04:17.48 | sanmarcos | isnt he running on the elections? |
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| 04:17.51 | sanmarcos | didnt he loose? |
| 04:18.07 | Guerin | 'loose' is an adjective, not a verb |
| 04:18.20 | Guerin | syn. 'nelly furtado' |
| 04:18.34 | peterS | if you want to be picky, she's more of a noun |
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| 04:19.00 | Guerin | nelly furtado can be an adjective |
| 04:19.09 | Guerin | just like j-lo can |
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| 04:19.25 | Guerin | fx "MG, her ass was, like, so j-lo.' |
| 04:19.43 | sanmarcos | abrotman: ? |
| 04:19.47 | abrotman | what? |
| 04:19.55 | abrotman | i have no idea how loose santorum is |
| 04:20.05 | sanmarcos | who the fuck is santorum? |
| 04:20.08 | Guerin | ask the dog |
| 04:20.19 | abrotman | i could point him at the slang .. but that'd probably get me banned :) |
| 04:20.19 | sanmarcos | all I care is for republicans fascists to "loose" |
| 04:20.26 | abrotman | lose! |
| 04:20.30 | abrotman | LOSE LOSE LOSE! |
| 04:20.32 | abrotman | fucking loser |
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| 04:20.49 | abrotman | carry on :) |
| 04:21.09 | unseensoul | hello |
| 04:21.12 | sanmarcos | bad things will happen to you |
| 04:21.26 | abrotman | i am going to jail |
| 04:22.17 | sanmarcos | pass the crack |
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| 04:23.31 | sanmarcos | what does 'abrotman' mean? |
| 04:23.42 | abrotman | it's my f'in name |
| 04:24.06 | sanmarcos | do you need help? |
| 04:24.53 | abrotman | because of my name ? |
| 04:25.59 | ahlfors | santorum lost |
| 04:26.15 | CHodapp | HEY MAN... don't ask questions. |
| 04:26.24 | sanmarcos | what the fuck? |
| 04:26.34 | Guerin | !stab sanmarcos |
| 04:26.35 | unseensoul | i'm having problems with php. everytime i try to run a script, the browser asks to download. what might be the problem? |
| 04:26.45 | sanmarcos | unseensoul: wrong mime type |
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| 04:27.07 | sanmarcos | unseensoul: AddType application/x-httpd-php .php |
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| 04:28.01 | unseensoul | sanmarcos: where do i write that? apache's conf? |
| 04:28.20 | sanmarcos | what apache version? |
| 04:28.23 | unseensoul | 2 |
| 04:28.31 | WayCool | hello guys |
| 04:28.37 | sanmarcos | /etc/apache2/apache2.conf |
| 04:28.41 | sanmarcos | or dpkg-reconfigure the apache php module |
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| 04:28.57 | unseensoul | sanmarcos: thanks a lot ;) |
| 04:29.31 | atula | hello everyone. I am using Debian sarge with one monitor. I am thinking of putting in another old Video card to make a dual monitor settings. Of course I'm using the stable XFree86 of X11 and I'm using fluxbox as wm. I was wondering if there are process to do this without much pain... since I'll be doing at work.. and I don't want to appear like a jackass who spend half a day doing something seemingly unproductive. |
| 04:29.35 | atula | thanks. |
| 04:29.48 | sanmarcos | look at xinerama |
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| 04:30.51 | atula | two video cards... 2 monitors.. sound simple... but there has been a lot of people warning me that it's difficult to do dual monitors in linux.... I'm not so sure... |
| 04:30.51 | WayCool | guys, when a application is installed or updated in debian, do all the required components load automaticaly or does one have to hunt them down one by one - correct versions and all? |
| 04:30.51 | mathx | is devmapper used in kernel to do RAID? |
| 04:30.51 | mathx | (in 2.6+?) |
| 04:30.51 | sanmarcos | WayCool: apt automates it |
| 04:30.52 | sanmarcos | its called dependencies |
| 04:31.38 | mathx | anyone? :) |
| 04:31.42 | WayCool | sanmarcos: to what extent? I mean is it totaly pain free or is there some hidden work envolved? |
| 04:31.58 | atula | WayCool, yes. pain-free |
| 04:32.13 | mathx | heh a redhat refugee, obviously ;) |
| 04:32.15 | atula | WayCool, apt-get install packagename... |
| 04:32.32 | sanmarcos | WayCool: pain free, mostly |
| 04:32.36 | atula | anyone has experience with dual monitor? |
| 04:32.41 | sanmarcos | yes |
| 04:32.42 | chemaja | mathx: good thing you put that winkie in there :P |
| 04:32.47 | atula | in Debian? |
| 04:32.56 | mathx | chemaja: yeah poeple wouldnt know they could answer unless I did that... |
| 04:33.14 | sanmarcos | atula: no, in plan9 |
| 04:33.16 | mathx | oh you mean the redhat comment, well i dont want to start a war, i just got here |
| 04:33.21 | sanmarcos | atula: it doenst really matter |
| 04:33.27 | mathx | sanmarcos: you mean inferno |
| 04:33.28 | atula | sanmarcos, ? |
| 04:33.34 | chemaja | mathx: lol |
| 04:33.36 | WayCool | atula: and that's it - just "apt-get install packagename" and all the libraries and what have you are found, downloaded and installed? |
| 04:33.44 | sanmarcos | atula: its just setting up xinerama, editing the conf, and making it work. I do it with nvidia twinview do. Good luck |
| 04:33.46 | atula | WayCool, yeah! |
| 04:33.56 | sanmarcos | WayCool: yes, man apt-get |
| 04:34.04 | mathx | ok anyone know 2.6 md device internals? |
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| 04:35.17 | eeyore- | mathx: nope. sorry. don't know the internals. just use them, that's all. |
| 04:35.31 | WayCool | I've been talking to some guys at bsd and they seem to pride themselfes on having an easier install system than linux people (I did mention Debian to them specificaly); how do you guys think Debian compares in that respect to say FreeBSD? |
| 04:35.32 | atula | sanmarcos, ah... reading the wiki on it now... it's a good leads. thanks |
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| 04:35.44 | eeyore- | atula: only with twinview |
| 04:35.49 | sanmarcos | atula: yes, rtfm |
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| 04:35.51 | atula | WayCool, .... |
| 04:35.57 | Guerin | slashdot claims java to be gpled |
| 04:36.02 | atula | sanmarcos, lol yah yah! |
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| 04:36.09 | Guerin | sun java, I mean |
| 04:36.09 | atula | eeyore-, twinview too? |
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| 04:36.17 | Guerin | if true, it's the best news in *years* |
| 04:36.22 | eeyore- | atula: i've only done dualhead with twinview, nvidia |
| 04:36.22 | magdalene | evening |
| 04:36.35 | chemaja | Guerin: i only read the article summary, that's not what it's saying |
| 04:36.38 | eeyore- | ho hum. can't get excited about java |
| 04:36.42 | mathx | eeyore-: jst wnat to know if the devmapper stuff is used internally for md now. |
| 04:36.55 | WayCool | atula: I know my question may seem subjective, but I was hoping for a linux user perspective relative to bsd |
| 04:37.00 | Guerin | chemaja: the article itself says the java SE and ME runtimes are going to be gpled |
| 04:37.01 | mathx | so I can claim that 'if you trust lvm, you trust software raid' in this proposal to a customer who has a hardon for hw raid cards (yuck) |
| 04:37.10 | chemaja | Guerin: cool. |
| 04:37.13 | Guerin | chemaja: that's the barrier, is it not? |
| 04:37.20 | chemaja | Guerin: no idea... i generally avoid java |
| 04:37.29 | chemaja | Guerin: hence only reading the summary :) |
| 04:37.32 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:38.28 | sanmarcos | heh lewis |
| 04:38.52 | WayCool | would anyone care to compare and contrast? I would much apreciate it! |
| 04:38.56 | eeyore- | mathx: well, raid cards to have a point |
| 04:39.04 | mathx | eeyore-: disagree ;) |
| 04:39.11 | eeyore- | mathx: hotswap is one. (sata is hotswap-capable for the most part) |
| 04:39.24 | eeyore- | mathx: and separate management outside of OS is another. |
| 04:39.26 | mathx | linux can do hotswap |
| 04:39.35 | mathx | depends on the ata chipset. |
| 04:39.41 | eeyore- | mathx: only safely/safelier on SATA ... |
| 04:39.46 | mathx | i mean seriously, heh, use your highpoint card as a JBOD and do hotswap |
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| 04:39.59 | mathx | let linux and your double dual core opteron 2.4 Ghz cpus do the x0ring of blocks |
| 04:40.01 | eeyore- | mmmmmm |
| 04:40.01 | eeyore- | no |
| 04:40.05 | mathx | much faster than some i960 200Mhz POS |
| 04:40.29 | mathx | I dont like the idea of only 1000 people using the HPT9000x driver |
| 04:40.38 | mathx | also dont like those drivers that are closed source. not enuf eyes on it |
| 04:40.46 | mathx | not enough people who rode the bloody edge before me |
| 04:40.54 | mathx | i dont like using bleeding ass software. |
| 04:40.55 | magdalene | anyone tried running kazehakase on a debian i386 install in here |
| 04:41.03 | eeyore- | wait. is someone talking about relying on "raid" card from "highpoint"? |
| 04:41.15 | mathx | WayCool: thats a religious war question. I think debian and freebsd are equal to me, as from the point of view of expert installs. |
| 04:41.24 | mathx | eeyore-: hehe. same with LSI, 3ware.... |
| 04:41.27 | mathx | adaptec... |
| 04:41.31 | mathx | ami |
| 04:41.32 | chemaja | WayCool: IMHO, Debian is better for binary packages. |
| 04:41.36 | Guerin | mathx: horrible thing, it was |
| 04:41.37 | magdalene | man i hate xwindowed irc |
| 04:41.43 | mathx | Guerin: which? |
| 04:41.43 | eeyore- | mathx: you don't sound level-headed enough to be recommending things like this ... |
| 04:41.43 | Guerin | magdalene: horrible thing, it was |
| 04:41.49 | eeyore- | mathx: "bleeding ass"? |
| 04:41.49 | mathx | eeyore-: thats ok. |
| 04:41.50 | Guerin | mathx: misfire |
| 04:42.02 | mathx | i only spent like 9 months testing raid cards for throughput reliability, hot swappable ness, transactions per second, |
| 04:42.06 | mathx | failure modes, and shit like that, |
| 04:42.08 | mathx | for a nuclear utility |
| 04:42.17 | mathx | i have to move up to a desktop workstation at some kids house |
| 04:42.21 | mathx | to get into more mission critical than that. |
| 04:42.31 | WayCool | chemaja: could you please explain why? |
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| 04:43.04 | mathx | eeyore-: yes, it goes legacy, stable, testing, unstable, experimental, bleeding edge, bleeding ass. |
| 04:43.28 | pickcoder | + cutting edge |
| 04:43.32 | mathx | hahaha |
| 04:43.34 | mathx | bleeding edge |
| 04:43.42 | mathx | the 'cutting' cuts you and you bleed. |
| 04:43.46 | pickcoder | yup |
| 04:44.45 | magdalene | Guerin Kaze or Xchat? |
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| 04:45.38 | WayCool | how hard is it to build an application from source in Debian? |
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| 04:45.52 | Guerin | magdalene: both. |
| 04:45.55 | magdalene | heh |
| 04:45.57 | dondelelcaro | WayCool: pretty easy. |
| 04:46.01 | Guerin | WayCool: trivial |
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| 04:46.17 | Guerin | WayCool: as long as the app is decently constructed, which not alla re |
| 04:46.19 | magdalene | your choice of name is interesting |
| 04:46.30 | Guerin | magdalene: mine? |
| 04:46.31 | magdalene | guerin may i enqure of its history |
| 04:46.50 | magdalene | Guerin oui |
| 04:46.51 | Guerin | magdalene: it's franco-hispanic |
| 04:46.55 | Guerin | but I'm not |
| 04:46.57 | Guerin | well |
| 04:47.06 | magdalene | i got that |
| 04:47.12 | magdalene | the french part anyway |
| 04:47.12 | Guerin | My grandfolks were immigrants |
| 04:48.03 | Guerin | i'd just like to add that to the best of my knowledge none of my ancestors are/were french |
| 04:48.23 | Guerin | greenpeace-ship-bombing motherfucker |
| 04:48.24 | Guerin | s |
| 04:48.37 | WayCool | what mini, Debian based distroes could you recomend that could run as live cd's (anything smaller than DSL)? |
| 04:48.49 | magdalene | I just used to know someone who was into computers and 3d art and math and stuff who used the name and i didnt believe it was that commen |
| 04:48.49 | magdalene | common rather |
| 04:48.51 | mathx | uh |
| 04:49.11 | mathx | missend. |
| 04:49.22 | Guerin | WayCool: smaller than dsl isn't really a distro any more |
| 04:49.45 | Guerin | magdalene: i'm not really into any of those things |
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| 04:50.40 | magdalene | is dsl still distro? |
| 04:51.04 | WayCool | Guerin: I would love to dig up something which is just a "core system", kernel + sys tools, and an ability to easily load all of my aps from scratch (DSL already choses a bunch for you by default) |
| 04:51.51 | Guerin | mm. You could make such a thing using the morphix toolkit |
| 04:51.56 | Guerin | if it's still maintained |
| 04:52.01 | atula | WayCool, .... |
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| 04:52.17 | WayCool | atula: I love your answers :) |
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| 04:52.40 | magdalene | is more of an infection at that point ;) |
| 04:52.49 | pjv | what's the recommended specs to use debian on a desktop pc? |
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| 04:52.54 | WayCool | Guerin: DSL is 50MB, Morphix Lite is ~ 240MB... see what I mean? |
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| 04:53.13 | mathx | what's DSL |
| 04:53.16 | mathx | DebianDSL? |
| 04:53.22 | Guerin | WayCool: but the morphix toolkit would enable you to pare the base down to whatever you want. |
| 04:53.35 | WayCool | mathx: DSL: Danm Small Linux |
| 04:53.36 | Guerin | !fgi dsl+linux |
| 04:53.37 | atula | WayCool, you should research a little first... many people here answer the same questions many times before... and they get tired of it. you need to do your own research... then ask specific question... |
| 04:53.44 | Guerin | !fgi mathx dsl+linux |
| 04:53.45 | dpkg | mathx: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=dsl+linux |
| 04:53.53 | mathx | lol |
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| 04:53.54 | atula | WayCool, you can install a small distro with Debian yourself |
| 04:54.04 | mathx | Why does anyone ask anything in here, when everything is on google? |
| 04:54.16 | Guerin | mathx: everything isn't. |
| 04:54.16 | atula | not everything |
| 04:54.23 | Guerin | mathx: but some things are |
| 04:54.26 | Guerin | !order |
| 04:54.26 | dpkg | i heard order is if you're having trouble with something: 0) read the manpages 1) read the FAQ 2) check the documentation 3) check the website 4) check the bug tracking system 5) check the mailing lists 6) google 7) ask in a channel pertaining directly to your program 8) ask in #debian, IF it's a debian-related query. Failure to adhere to these simple principles will result in verbal abuse and ridicule. |
| 04:54.27 | mathx | well off i go to bitch about a kernel bug that was patched 4 times since 2000 but STILL hasnt made it into the kernel |
| 04:54.28 | atula | I come here for direction... |
| 04:54.30 | WayCool | Guerin: except that Morphix uses a 2.6 kernel which is already larger than DSL's 2.4 |
| 04:54.34 | pickcoder | mathx: half the time, the haystack is quite large |
| 04:54.42 | mathx | the Debian Doesnt Follow RFC 1812 with 2 aliase networks on one interface... |
| 04:54.49 | Guerin | WayCool: so? you get to do what you like to the place. |
| 04:54.50 | mathx | err, LINUX doesnt, that is, not debian. |
| 04:55.13 | mathx | (line 1750 in net/ipv4/route.c, if you care...) |
| 04:55.16 | mrkris | anyone ever run across this with apache: access to / failed, reason: require directives present and no Authoritative handler. |
| 04:55.42 | WayCool | Guerin: do you know how much bigger is the 2.6 kernel than the 2.4 one ? |
| 04:55.55 | atula | mrkris, perhaps ask in apache channel? |
| 04:56.00 | mrkris | i did, no reply :o |
| 04:56.02 | mathx | hehe dpkg forgot to say -1 thing to do before #0 is to check permissions first. |
| 04:56.15 | mathx | WayCool: depends whats in your kernel |
| 04:56.25 | Guerin | WayCool: no, nor do I care. |
| 04:56.37 | atula | WayCool, what kind of stuff do you run anyway? asking all that questions |
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| 04:56.49 | Guerin | WayCool: but that's my point: if *you* care you can fucking do something about it, other than piss and moan in an unrelated irc channel. |
| 04:56.58 | mathx | pickcoder: was that re the bug? |
| 04:57.25 | pickcoder | WayCool: you can compile whatever you want into the kernel. I know several people who put 2.6 kernals on WRT54G's |
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| 04:58.15 | pickcoder | WayCool: if you have to ask those questions, then maybe you should do research regarding custom small distros as suggested earlier |
| 04:58.51 | pickcoder | mathx: no.. that was regarding "everything is on google" |
| 04:58.57 | atula | learn google first... linux after... |
| 04:59.28 | magdalene | you know |
| 04:59.31 | magdalene | the thing is |
| 04:59.38 | WayCool | I guess I am just trying to get an idea of what |
| 04:59.54 | magdalene | linux will never get to be anywhere without the backend |
| 05:00.18 | WayCool | is the simplest way to go for someone who wants a small live cd, if I am not asking the right questions, sorry |
| 05:00.19 | Guerin | magdalene: j-lo backend? |
| 05:00.25 | atula | magdalene, can you expand on that? "backend" and such |
| 05:00.38 | Guerin | magdalene: like vista's backend is ~13G |
| 05:01.03 | pickcoder | WayCool: simplest? Knoppix |
| 05:01.28 | Guerin | simples is just to fucking use dsl with mydsl |
| 05:01.35 | mathx | Guerin: hahhaha jlo |
| 05:01.36 | atula | WayCool, this is debian channel... perhaps you should explore DSL and Knoppix... there are countless articles on how to compile your own CDs |
| 05:01.49 | magdalene | being less bitter than the linux weenies who have pissing contests because they 'learned the hard way so we are going to make everyone else do it that way to' |
| 05:01.49 | magdalene | the least the channels can do is answer the questions politely about reading the manuals |
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| 05:02.13 | mathx | yes we're all here to do work for the newbs |
| 05:02.14 | atula | magdalene, now you're the bitter one |
| 05:02.17 | mathx | our time is worthless |
| 05:02.19 | magdalene | instead of bereating the people coming to learn |
| 05:02.23 | unseensoul | sanmarcos: it didn't work :( |
| 05:02.24 | Guerin | magdalene: we answer smart questions nicely and dumb questions with ridicule |
| 05:02.35 | atula | Guerin, lol |
| 05:02.43 | Guerin | no, see, if they were coming to learn they'd at least *try* to ask smart questions |
| 05:02.57 | mathx | usually they ask the lazy question |
| 05:03.13 | mathx | well its been real. bbl. |
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| 05:03.22 | magdalene | ive been around the linux block guys ive come and go through servers for blackened, efnet and now i have been watching these on freenet for a while |
| 05:03.33 | pickcoder | magdalene: questions that have only a couple of concrete solutions are quite easy to respond to |
| 05:03.40 | sanmarcos | unseensoul: who are you again? |
| 05:03.56 | magdalene | why not ask yourselves why they are asking the questions |
| 05:03.57 | Guerin | magdalene: one issue is that this isn't a linux channel. It's a *debian* channel. |
| 05:04.02 | atula | magdalene, I don't understand your point... |
| 05:04.06 | magdalene | instead of just insulting them |
| 05:04.06 | WayCool | Thank's for your input guys, but I have already spend alot of time learning about Knopix, DSL and Mophix and simply wanted to hear a fresh oppinion is there is something better or smaller. Asking guys on those channels would likely give a biased perspective. And since my interest is in Debian, I was hoping that you might direct me to the best small custom distro. |
| 05:04.17 | magdalene | debian is a flavour of linux |
| 05:04.22 | unseensoul | sanmarcos: the one who asked you why php wasn't working |
| 05:04.25 | magdalene | im here because im running deb |
| 05:04.34 | sanmarcos | unseensoul: no idea, try #php |
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| 05:04.37 | Guerin | magdalene: debian is a distro which *includes* linux |
| 05:04.45 | sanmarcos | unseensoul: or #apache or check debian-administration.org for php and apache tutorial |
| 05:04.55 | unseensoul | sanmarcos: ok thanks |
| 05:05.01 | Guerin | WayCool: there aren't really any others I'm aware of |
| 05:05.08 | atula | ....I am gonna go to sleep... one less annoyed guy in the channel... |
| 05:05.14 | Guerin | WayCool: but the point is that those already provide good toolkits to make your own. |
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| 05:06.05 | WayCool | Guerin & atula: thank's for your info guys |
| 05:06.11 | magdalene | its just interesting to see that the same attitudes are about even tho 10 years have passed |
| 05:06.55 | magdalene | is all that my point is about |
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| 05:08.42 | magdalene | pointing and laughing isnt going to make a user stop and think, or go and read his manual. its going to make him think what ever distribution he went to seek help from is full of asshairs and switch to something else |
| 05:09.59 | magdalene | :) |
| 05:10.13 | nevyn | magdalene: is that such a bad outcome really? |
| 05:10.21 | magdalene | well, in the end |
| 05:10.43 | magdalene | you get less converts and less money coming into the distribution |
| 05:10.49 | pickcoder | money? |
| 05:10.49 | magdalene | less intrest |
| 05:11.00 | nevyn | money? |
| 05:11.13 | pickcoder | well... Debian seems to be doing quite well |
| 05:11.33 | pickcoder | I doubt one IRC channel is going to drastically impact the future of an O/S |
| 05:11.35 | WayCool | pickcoderl: "you can compile whatever you want into the kernel. I know several people who put 2.6 kernals on WRT54G's" - could you please tell me more about that? |
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| 05:11.57 | magdalene | money / time |
| 05:11.58 | magdalene | money donated |
| 05:11.58 | magdalene | and suddenly you are the BeOS of the linux world |
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| 05:12.06 | pickcoder | WayCool: those wireless routers can be loaded with an image |
| 05:12.10 | verbose | is there a quick way to remove all of gnome and its dependencies with aptitude? |
| 05:12.22 | magdalene | less interest means less people involved in supporting the distribution |
| 05:12.29 | Xorm | Other things might be dependent on its dependencies though =| |
| 05:12.30 | pickcoder | WayCool: I don't know the full details of it, but you have a certain amount of EEPROM you can store a Linux boot image in |
| 05:12.36 | Xorm | That could screw stuff up. |
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| 05:12.41 | dendrite | WayCool: Check out dd-wrt. There are a few projects that target the WRT54G and similar machines. |
| 05:13.07 | magdalene | all distributions need new blood |
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| 05:13.12 | WayCool | dendrite: thank you :) |
| 05:13.13 | dendrite | WayCool: I don't know that there are any debian projects for that host, per se. |
| 05:13.17 | MephistoTabernac | Development question: y.tab.c: yylex was not declared in this scope... it has to be something I'm missing about flex/bison. |
| 05:13.23 | lindenle | anyone have the daily show streamable ;) |
| 05:13.47 | magdalene | damn |
| 05:13.51 | magdalene | im missing house |
| 05:13.53 | WayCool | pickcoder: what is to be gained by putting a linux kernel by itself on a router? |
| 05:14.08 | verbose | iptables? |
| 05:14.14 | pickcoder | WayCool: for one thing, you can setup your own routing server with cipe and such |
| 05:14.15 | verbose | rather than the built-in firewall |
| 05:14.26 | dendrite | WayCool: The WRT54G already has a linux kernel. That's what Linksys uses. |
| 05:14.38 | pickcoder | WayCool: our ISP does that for 11MB and 54MB links |
| 05:14.54 | zinx | dendrite: in older models, the newer ones use vxworks (i don't recommend them, vxworks is an awful operating system for a router) |
| 05:15.16 | lindenle|j | !beer lindenle |
| 05:15.21 | MephistoTabernac | vxworks is an awful os for almost anything... |
| 05:15.24 | dendrite | zinx: Yeah, but those aren't WRT54G -- they have other numbers. The later revs have less flash though. |
| 05:15.30 | magdalene | like a linux box as your ipmasq Waycool |
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| 05:15.51 | lindenle|j | !pate |
| 05:15.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, pate is liver! |
| 05:15.57 | zinx | dendrite: No. |
| 05:16.01 | lindenle|j | !pipe |
| 05:16.01 | dpkg | | |
| 05:16.09 | zinx | dendrite: they *ARE* wrt54g |
| 05:16.17 | zinx | dendrite: the version 5 and up run vxworks |
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| 05:16.35 | zinx | dendrite: and the version number isn't well-indicated - from the box, you have to know which serial numbers refer to which model. |
| 05:16.36 | dendrite | zinx: Ah. OK. I knew to get a 4, iirc. |
| 05:17.12 | dendrite | zinx: In any case, I got in under the wire. I believe Linksys has reissued the linux friendly version however. |
| 05:17.20 | pickcoder | I think they've moved onto some small solid-state machines |
| 05:17.43 | pickcoder | CF drives and PCMCIA network cards |
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| 05:17.45 | zinx | dendrite: it's called the wrt54gl, however. |
| 05:17.59 | dendrite | zinx: What is? |
| 05:18.10 | zinx | dendrite: the wrt54g-alike with linux instead of vxworks |
| 05:18.27 | dendrite | zinx: Gotcha. Academic to me, but perhaps WayCool is taking notes. =) |
| 05:18.40 | MephistoTabernac | I take it no one here is a lex/yacc person? |
| 05:18.53 | magdalene | hugh laurie is calling me I have to go tape House. back in a while folks |
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| 05:19.05 | WayCool | I am certainly paing attention dendrite :) (although some of this stuff is over my head) |
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| 05:19.49 | dendrite | WayCool: In a nutshell, the exact version and model and serial number *really* matters when you go to play with the firmware of your router. |
| 05:19.49 | WayCool | dendrite: so what other soft (besides the linux kernel) is in a linksys router, what firewall soft? |
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| 05:20.17 | widrone | Heh, I just unpacked and reflashed a wrt54gl today, and here you are talking about it. |
| 05:20.24 | unseensoul | sanmarcos: it's strange. i've always apt-get'ed the packages, but it's not working this time and i can't understand why |
| 05:20.26 | unseensoul | :S |
| 05:20.30 | dendrite | WayCool: dd-wrt has a web interface, and stuff like iptables, and busybox. |
| 05:20.54 | dendrite | widrone: What did you put on it? |
| 05:21.17 | widrone | dendrite: openwrt for now. |
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| 05:21.30 | dendrite | widrone: Nice. :-) |
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| 05:22.13 | WayCool | dendrite: so what router would you recomend? |
| 05:22.16 | dendrite | WayCool: openwrt is another option for your router, I believe dd-wrt is based on it, or perhaps the other way around. |
| 05:22.25 | pickcoder | gah.. I can not find that vendor to save my skin |
| 05:22.32 | dendrite | WayCool: That totally depends on your needs. |
| 05:22.52 | WayCool | dendrite: general purpose security |
| 05:23.00 | dendrite | WayCool: If you want a little low power router, the WRT54GL is probably a decent bet. |
| 05:23.11 | dendrite | WayCool: There is no such thing as "general purpose security." |
| 05:23.31 | WayCool | dendrite: for a home-based workstation |
| 05:24.07 | dendrite | WayCool: You probably want low power, which the Linksys offering provides... For a long time I ran a woody box as a firewall. hard to beat that for stable and flexible. |
| 05:24.20 | dendrite | Sarge would be the pick now, but you get the idea. |
| 05:25.26 | WayCool | dendrite: would an off the shelf linksys router be a better bet than say an old Pentium I loaded with the right soft? |
| 05:25.49 | dendrite | WayCool: Again, that totally depends on what is important to you. |
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| 05:26.26 | pickcoder | ah.. there it is.. PC Engines |
| 05:26.39 | dendrite | WayCool: An old Pentium will burn electricity, but provides almost infinite flexibility, but has spinning disks... |
| 05:27.10 | pickcoder | http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm |
| 05:27.18 | widrone | Ah, jolly days! mt-daapd is in etch, yay and hooray. My life just got easier again. |
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| 05:27.37 | WayCool | dendrite: so I don't boar you with my ignorance, perhaps you could suggest a good source to educate myself on the subject? |
| 05:27.51 | dendrite | WayCool: The Internet is probably a good source. |
| 05:27.55 | widrone | dendrite: And fans, fans that make noise. Hate that... |
| 05:28.05 | pickcoder | our ISP is putting Linux on those, right at the antenna, using PoE |
| 05:28.11 | dendrite | widrone: Yeah, noise. I hate that too. |
| 05:28.15 | pickcoder | haven't seen one yet, personally |
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| 05:29.25 | lkthomas | anyone using amavisd in debian ? |
| 05:29.32 | dendrite | WayCool: Seriously, the questions you're asking are all about tradeoffs. |
| 05:29.37 | dendrite | !anyone |
| 05:29.37 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 05:29.49 | WayCool | pickcoder: thank's for the link :) |
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| 05:30.00 | pickcoder | WayCool: that's a bare board |
| 05:30.16 | pickcoder | WayCool: it's for OEM applications.. I'm sure you can find mounting cases for them though |
| 05:30.41 | pickcoder | the WRT54 is definately a cheaper and they are more readily available |
| 05:30.51 | pickcoder | s/a// |
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| 05:31.26 | WayCool | pickcoder: how much for a wrt54? |
| 05:31.44 | widrone | WayCool: Bout 100 euros I think. |
| 05:31.55 | dendrite | Less than that, at least in the us. |
| 05:31.58 | pickcoder | another option is to build your own ITX box and use a CompactFlash to IDE adapter to eliminate hard drives |
| 05:32.18 | widrone | pickcoder: Not selling to end users? Any way around that, I see the prices dropped since I looked last on this hw. =) |
| 05:32.20 | dendrite | flash as drives has problems though. |
| 05:32.55 | pickcoder | dendrite: drives for booting. you setup ramdisk |
| 05:32.57 | widrone | dendrite: I think you rite about that, my euro calc is always a bit off. |
| 05:33.09 | pickcoder | tradeoffs.. and all |
| 05:33.36 | dendrite | pickcoder: That makes sense. One just doesn't want to make a habit of writing to flash. |
| 05:33.45 | pickcoder | widrone: for what? the PC Engines WRAP? |
| 05:35.01 | widrone | pickcoder: Yes. Just curious so I looked at the link you posted. |
| 05:35.41 | pickcoder | widrone: If I remember correctly, you have to place a minimum order. |
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| 05:35.55 | pickcoder | widrone: I don't know if there's a stocking distributor in the US |
| 05:36.13 | intx | is there a way to track what packages+dependencies are required for a specific install and easily reverse it afterwards? |
| 05:36.16 | pickcoder | widrone: last I heard, they're selling so quickly the company can't keep up and there's backlog |
| 05:36.27 | pickcoder | things may have changed since then |
| 05:36.39 | widrone | pickcoder: Im in .no so that be my least problem. But there is new recycle rules they say on the site. Not selling to end users anymore. |
| 05:37.06 | widrone | pickcoder: Loads of the items are listed "no stock" so yes, I guess. |
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| 05:37.39 | dendrite | intx: Easily reverse? Not really. |
| 05:37.50 | pickcoder | there are a few US distributors |
| 05:37.53 | pickcoder | hm |
| 05:38.39 | intx | dendrite: I know you can write down what packages are installed when I issue an apt-get, and uninstall all of them individually, but I was wondering if there was an easier way |
| 05:39.11 | intx | what I want to do is install x temporarily on a machine which I'm sure I'll end up installing over 100 packages to get working, then remove it after |
| 05:39.37 | dendrite | intx: Yeah... you can use dpkg --get-selections to make a list, and if you redirect that into a file, you can use it to run dpkg --set-selections. |
| 05:40.17 | dendrite | intx: But beware, if you go and upgrade libc, for instance, the path back becomes much trickier. |
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| 05:42.12 | WayCool | guys, thank you for all your help! I am off :) |
| 05:42.13 | dendrite | intx: If you're running a later debian, your install/upgrade activity is logged, and you could parse that to make an undo command also. |
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| 05:42.59 | grendal_prime | gentilmen |
| 05:43.14 | grendal_prime | hows things in the good universe today |
| 05:43.45 | dendrite | Scary. |
| 05:44.29 | grendal_prime | i am faced with the possibility of building some rather high traffic file servers. CIFS servers to be exaty |
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| 05:46.17 | grendal_prime | we got a fatty at my office for this...very expensive, actually linux based but, well huge boy, but im wondiering if we could ne spread this out over several smaller machines and of our own constuction(less raid) |
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| 05:46.36 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: http://www.superssd.com/ |
| 05:46.48 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 05:47.02 | hans0lo | Can someone please direct me to a HOWTO on setting up a debian mail server with spamassasin and amavis? |
| 05:47.14 | grendal_prime | but i dont know about the statistics on samba and fine tuning it. anyone ahhh thanks |
| 05:47.22 | pickcoder | I'd give up smoking to get my hands on one of those |
| 05:47.49 | Arafangion | grendal_prime: Why don't you want RAID? |
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| 05:48.48 | Arafangion | grendal_prime: You're making the right choice with samba, though :) |
| 05:49.09 | grendal_prime | hans0lo, i m currently working on a box that has become over loaded with spam, it is a mail filter sytem using spmassisn (with pyzor and razorf) and clamav. it has proven nearly bullet proof..with the acception of this one instance..(dont save your spam it will fill up the the hd) |
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| 05:49.45 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: how much of the e-mail is getting rejected via spamhaus? |
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| 05:50.28 | grendal_prime | pickcoder, you mean false positives? |
| 05:50.33 | grendal_prime | whats spamhaus? |
| 05:50.45 | pickcoder | spamhaus has a collective RBL |
| 05:50.53 | pickcoder | I use it with postfix |
| 05:50.59 | grendal_prime | and that means? |
| 05:51.05 | intx | dendrite: thanks for the help |
| 05:51.09 | pickcoder | 95% of the spam that hits my machine doesn't even get to the filter |
| 05:51.24 | lkthomas | hey all |
| 05:51.32 | pickcoder | no complaints about false positives after several weeks |
| 05:51.36 | lkthomas | how come db_stat-4.2 exec file isn't in debian package library ? |
| 05:51.42 | pickcoder | still watching it though |
| 05:51.46 | grendal_prime | dont know, what i do know is this thing gets 200 email down to 2 |
| 05:52.10 | grendal_prime | 100 2 1 ration is pretty damn good. |
| 05:52.58 | grendal_prime | the other thing is i have to use fetchmail to pull the email in for these users, it is very wild enviro where we consolodate several accounts into one. |
| 05:53.32 | dendrite | grendal_prime: That makes it harder to use RBL's on your MTA to bounce spam... |
| 05:53.42 | grendal_prime | ya |
| 05:53.48 | Guerin | spamhaus is evilness |
| 05:54.07 | pickcoder | Guerin: it's working quite nicely for me. I'm using zen.spamhaus.com. |
| 05:54.18 | dendrite | Guerin: Too aggressive for ya? |
| 05:54.23 | pickcoder | 3.5Million mails for Oct.. 98.5% spam |
| 05:54.42 | lkthomas | "spamhaus: gurantee filter max 2% of spam, yes! 2%, money back gurantee" |
| 05:54.47 | grendal_prime | its one thing when we are running the front..the device that is facing the wild, in some cases i think that its actually easyer. but in this case we have no choice, the spam has already been acceptd by the isps email serer. |
| 05:55.19 | pickcoder | grendal_prime: you can still reject it when it hits your smtp server |
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| 05:55.33 | pickcoder | but it is harder |
| 05:55.41 | SkareCrow | what are people voting for? |
| 05:55.46 | pickcoder | spamassassin is a beast |
| 05:55.55 | pickcoder | gotta have lots of iron |
| 05:56.07 | Guerin | blacklisting in general is fucking evil |
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| 05:56.22 | pickcoder | Guerin: that is a general statement based on what? |
| 05:56.29 | grendal_prime | i use procmail to sort of handle all the apps and moving the email to them for processing..i sort of blew it in that i was worried about false positives and was saving all the spam found int he users home directorys. |
| 05:56.49 | dendrite | Guerin: I agree with you, and can only remark that these are desparate times. |
| 05:56.50 | grendal_prime | you can pile up 2 gigs of spam pretty damn quick that way, even with just like 30 uses or so |
| 05:56.59 | grendal_prime | fill up a hd. |
| 05:57.08 | Guerin | Your idea will not work. Here is why: (x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business |
| 05:57.13 | grendal_prime | the box was still running..just not getting the email |
| 05:57.19 | Guerin | dendrite: pickcoder: i have one word: greylisting. |
| 05:57.21 | lkthomas | a friend of mine using sendmail to spam |
| 05:57.29 | pickcoder | Guerin: we can't do greylisting |
| 05:57.30 | lkthomas | it's like 5000mail pre day |
| 05:57.42 | Guerin | pickcoder: why not? |
| 05:57.46 | Guerin | pickcoder: time? |
| 05:57.53 | pickcoder | way talk to many servers that bounce mail upon the first rejection |
| 05:58.01 | pickcoder | due to spam filtering |
| 05:58.08 | pickcoder | er.. poorly configured spam filtering |
| 05:58.11 | Guerin | pickcoder: in other words, servers which are shit, and run by idiots. |
| 05:58.30 | pickcoder | some of them are large corporations that subcontract their network services |
| 05:58.36 | Guerin | pickcoder: in other words, servers which are shit, and run by idiots. |
| 05:58.52 | pickcoder | in other words.. it won't work |
| 05:58.58 | pickcoder | we'd lose business |
| 05:59.17 | Guerin | well, blacklisting doesn't work, either. Unless you take a very narrow definition of 'work' |
| 05:59.18 | lkthomas | pickcoder, did you try dspam ? |
| 05:59.46 | pickcoder | lkthomas: only a tiny percentage of mail makes it to a filter |
| 05:59.54 | pickcoder | lkthomas: the rest is correctly rejected |
| 05:59.54 | Guerin | particularly locational blacklisting, which essentially wants to create a nice aryan middle-class internet |
| 06:00.02 | lkthomas | pickcoder, you mean dspam ? |
| 06:00.17 | pickcoder | lkthomas: I run postfix+amavisd-new+spamassassin |
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| 06:00.37 | lkthomas | pickcoder, so as I, but give it a try to dspam |
| 06:01.00 | lkthomas | pickcoder, I have been overnight for two days, can't find a working solution with dspam on postfix yet |
| 06:01.29 | Guerin | pickcoder: what sort of companies run MTAs which won't correctly respond to a 451? |
| 06:01.34 | pickcoder | lkthomas: I will, when I upgrade the server in about 2 years. Everything works beautifully for the moment and I'm afraid to tweak anything. |
| 06:01.48 | Guerin | pickcoder: i can't think of a single non-spammer smtp server which doesn't - even exchange |
| 06:02.05 | pickcoder | Guerin: what sort of companies leave themselves on RBL and ignore customer complaints about not being able to send e-mail to them? |
| 06:02.34 | lkthomas | pickcoder, me too |
| 06:02.37 | Guerin | pickcoder: i was asking a serious question, but in answer of yours: if only it were that simple to get unlisted. |
| 06:02.55 | Guerin | pickcoder: and then there's the fact that they shouldn';t have fucking been listed in the first place |
| 06:03.29 | Guerin | pickcoder: and that any random idiot shouldn't be able to blacklist another server without jumping through fucking serious hoops |
| 06:03.41 | Guerin | and please don't tell me the hoops are serious enough |
| 06:04.24 | Guerin | the fact that murphy.debian.org routinely gets added to RBLs is enough to call bullshit there, as are the three years I was running perfectly legitimate MTAs in Korea. |
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| 06:04.51 | lkthomas | pickcoder, I don't understand why spamassassin will perform so poorly |
| 06:05.02 | pickcoder | lkthomas: what do you mean? |
| 06:05.05 | Guerin | lkthomas: spamassassin take *shitloads* of system resources |
| 06:05.15 | lkthomas | pickcoder, it can't filter out 90% of the spam |
| 06:05.35 | pickcoder | lkthomas: nothing can correctly filter 90% of spam based on content |
| 06:05.37 | tengulre | how to know my CPU processor supported 64bits in linux? |
| 06:06.02 | lkthomas | pickcoder, try dspam :) |
| 06:06.14 | pickcoder | lkthomas: ok |
| 06:06.18 | Guerin | tengulre: read the packaging |
| 06:06.37 | pickcoder | lkthomas: though it's kind of a moot point since most of the spam I get doesn't even make it to the filter anyway |
| 06:06.41 | tengulre | Guerin: you are point /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 06:06.50 | lkthomas | pickcoder, grrr |
| 06:06.54 | pickcoder | lkthomas: I get 1 e-mail marked "Spam" every 3-4 days |
| 06:06.57 | pickcoder | :P |
| 06:07.00 | Guerin | tengulre: no. The BOX in which the fucking thing came in, from the shop. |
| 06:07.08 | lkthomas | pickcoder, but I still got like 50% of spam to my mail box |
| 06:07.14 | grendal_prime | i just finised watching revolution os...anyone else checked that out |
| 06:07.16 | grendal_prime | pretty cool |
| 06:07.17 | Guerin | pickcoder: were you going to answer my question? I'm curious what MTAs don't support 451. |
| 06:07.32 | pickcoder | Guerin: I have no idea, because I'm not running their mail servers |
| 06:07.47 | pickcoder | Guerin: I can tell you that greylisting was causing bounces that people complained about |
| 06:07.50 | pickcoder | people = customers |
| 06:07.54 | pickcoder | so it's not in use |
| 06:07.56 | pickcoder | end of story |
| 06:08.05 | tengulre | I want to know what to wroted in /proc/cpuinfo if my processor support 64bits? |
| 06:08.11 | Guerin | no detail of the complaints? |
| 06:08.23 | pickcoder | Guerin: no |
| 06:08.26 | Guerin | because it should *never* generate a bounce, of any sort |
| 06:08.49 | pickcoder | I don't need it |
| 06:08.50 | widrone | tengulre: You dont write stuff to /proc/cpuinfo really, sorry. |
| 06:09.05 | pickcoder | tengulre: what processor do you have |
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| 06:09.38 | tengulre | pickcoder: AMD Athlon(tm) XP 2500+ |
| 06:09.53 | tengulre | is it supported 64bits? |
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| 06:10.05 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:11.01 | tengulre | I want to building a new kernel, but I don't know select which arch 'arch/i386' or 'arch/x86_64'? |
| 06:11.09 | grendal_prime | ok, back to my original logon reason. Anyone ever delt with samba in high traffic enviroments..should i look into special tuning? or are the debian packages for this pretty solid? |
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| 06:12.21 | pickcoder | tengulre: unless it's says Athlon 64, then you need the 32-bit kernel |
| 06:12.36 | Guerin | when in doubt, use 32-bit |
| 06:12.44 | pickcoder | tengulre: you should flag the K7 processor options in the kernel setup menu |
| 06:12.47 | Guerin | if you don't know you need 64-bit, then you don't |
| 06:13.04 | Guerin | pickcoder: you're advocating this person build their own kernel???!?!?11 |
| 06:13.10 | tengulre | Guerin, pickcoder: thank you! |
| 06:13.25 | pickcoder | Guerin: nope.. the question was about building a new kernel |
| 06:13.33 | Guerin | oh |
| 06:14.55 | CcSsNET | theres a really good kernel guide on my website its writen by b0re from the old site shytb0x.com |
| 06:15.06 | CcSsNET | ccssnet.org if your interested anyone |
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| 06:17.14 | litage | how does ssh's sftp server compare to vsftpd? |
| 06:18.14 | Arafangion | litage: Well, for one, it uses ssh. |
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| 06:20.29 | litage | Arafangion: standard sftp clients can connect to ssh's sftp server, so it must use the same standard sftp protocol as vsftpd, no? |
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| 06:27.26 | mrparanoid | Having some trouble applying the hostap patch to 2.6.18 kernel build, anyone here familiar with it? |
| 06:27.32 | pickcoder | litage: sftp is a sub-service that runs through and existing ssh connection |
| 06:27.42 | pickcoder | s/and/an |
| 06:27.42 | dendrite | litage: No, vsftp is a ftp server, not an sftp server. |
| 06:27.56 | litage | pickcoder: yeah, i just found out what ssh's sftp service really is: ftp over ssh, NOT ftp over ssl |
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| 06:28.09 | pickcoder | litage: scp is the same |
| 06:28.46 | litage | ah |
| 06:29.01 | g3brown | Whats the most common/typical mount point for a 2nd or 3rd hard drive? /mnt/sdb or just something like /disk/sdb ? |
| 06:29.32 | pickcoder | g3brown: if it's a temp mount then it should be in /mnt/ |
| 06:30.05 | g3brown | pickcoder: no permanent fixed drives |
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| 06:31.04 | dendrite | g3brown: Well, /var, /home, /usr are common uses for separate drives, especially /home. |
| 06:31.18 | dendrite | g3brown: What are you going to use the drive for? |
| 06:31.22 | litage | g3brown: what's this 2nd HD going to be used for? |
| 06:31.22 | pickcoder | g3brown: then mount them where applicable based on the FHS. |
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| 06:32.12 | g3brown | dendrite: I mostly use debian for file server. so primary is just os and 2nd and so on are different types of data drives. |
| 06:32.34 | dendrite | g3brown: So odds are they'd mound somewhere under /var |
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| 06:32.56 | dendrite | g3brown: Or, /home, if you like. |
| 06:33.09 | dendrite | g3brown: In other words, you put the space where it's needed. :-) |
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| 06:34.14 | g3brown | dendrite: I guess it doesn't matter, I was curious what other people do. Sometimes I just make a new dir /disk and creates dirs to mount under that. |
| 06:35.07 | dendrite | g3brown: Yeah, you can do that too. Some folks like a more direct approach, of simply mounting the disks where the data wants to go, rather than needing to create links from the data landing zone back to the disk... |
| 06:35.56 | g3brown | dendrite: oh yeah, never thought of that. Like if your app stored stuff in /var/lib/appname/ you could mount it there. |
| 06:36.10 | dendrite | g3brown: Exactly. |
| 06:36.28 | dendrite | g3brown: And having /home on it's own spindle can be very nice indeed... |
| 06:37.14 | g3brown | dendrite: I grew up with dos, so my mind still thinks drive letters. I don't think anything ever gets stored in my home dir. |
| 06:37.33 | dendrite | g3brown: Well, many file server systems do... |
| 06:37.52 | dendrite | g3brown: But of course that's all configurable. |
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| 06:39.17 | pickcoder | I just love it when applications create multi-hop symlinks |
| 06:39.36 | pickcoder | by the time you figure out where the stuff really is, you forget how you got there |
| 06:39.38 | g3brown | dendrite: I guess some use the home for personal files for users. I use a samba share like /path/%U. Samba subs the %U for the logged in user. |
| 06:40.07 | dendrite | g3brown: Yep, makes sense. |
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| 06:42.26 | pickcoder | bedtime.. cheers |
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| 06:42.47 | tengulre | how to change my console font style? |
| 06:43.04 | Guerin | tengulre: why would you bother? |
| 06:43.12 | Guerin | tengulre: tldp.org has a console font howto |
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| 06:46.10 | u221e | Why is gnome-screensaver included when you can't actually configure the screensavers using it? |
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| 06:47.31 | Guerin | u221e: you expect gnome stuff to actually WORK? |
| 06:47.37 | Guerin | !pal u221e |
| 06:49.34 | Shadur | Guerin: Contrary to KDE, at least most of the apps work without crashing the moment you ask them to do something complicated. |
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| 06:51.20 | Guerin | Shadur: that's because generally speaking you *can't* make them do anything complicated |
| 06:51.31 | Arafangion | Guerin++ |
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| 06:59.15 | u221e | I just uninstalled ubuntu edgy eft... |
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| 07:01.39 | widrone | !beer u221e |
| 07:02.20 | u221e | Does fglrx work on testing? |
| 07:03.35 | delire | yes |
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| 07:07.16 | Loto | im having an issue with apt-get not being able to remove a package. Is there anyway to force it to remove it from the database? (or however apt stores the 'installed' status) |
| 07:07.17 | Loto | http://pastebin.ca/243249 |
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| 07:08.54 | delire | Loto: in the case you've provided i'd kill the gmediaserver process and then try to remove it. |
| 07:09.54 | delire | Loto: in other words, the problem is out of apt's reach. |
| 07:10.17 | Loto | its not running though |
| 07:10.27 | Loto | it appears to attemp to stop a process that isnt running |
| 07:10.32 | Loto | and fails so craps out |
| 07:11.29 | u221e | Hah, I got rhythmbox to crash. |
| 07:12.46 | sanmarcos | u221e: amarok locked my computer, as in numlock not chaning the light |
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| 07:13.17 | Guerin | mplayer has never once locked up my computer |
| 07:13.19 | delire | Loto: i don't know, you may have to look for the initscript and see if you can find where it's broken. either that or see if aptitude can help. |
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| 07:13.45 | Loto | hrm alright... |
| 07:14.02 | delire | Loto: file a big on gmediaserver, whatever that is. |
| 07:14.05 | delire | s/big/bug |
| 07:14.11 | Loto | is there a centeral location for initscripts? or will it be stored somewhere with the application? |
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| 07:14.23 | delire | Loto: /etc/init.d/* |
| 07:14.24 | Loto | yeah... the package was kinda botched when I installed it |
| 07:14.25 | Loto | ty |
| 07:14.32 | Loto | your help is much appreciated |
| 07:14.37 | delire | Loto: anytime |
| 07:14.46 | sanmarcos | yes!! democrats are taking the senate |
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| 07:15.01 | delire | sanmarcos: thank god for that. |
| 07:15.13 | sanmarcos | yes, just won Missouri |
| 07:15.20 | sanmarcos | up in Montana, up in Virginia |
| 07:15.24 | u221e | It's a tie then |
| 07:15.39 | sanmarcos | its a tie, but virginia is 99% and dems are 10k vots ahead |
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| 07:15.56 | sanmarcos | they will have a recount, but the rep wont get 10k misplaced votes |
| 07:16.21 | sanmarcos | and Montana, the dems are 10k ahead also, 65% counted |
| 07:16.34 | sanmarcos | id say its pretty much set for the dems to take the senate |
| 07:17.03 | u221e | You sure it still isn't a tie? |
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| 07:17.13 | tengulre11 | HI,all |
| 07:17.25 | tengulre11 | how to config my console font?? |
| 07:17.25 | sanmarcos | u221e: it is 49 49, but the remaining 2 are pretty much there for the dems |
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| 07:18.00 | delire | tengulre11: see the vga=<num> boot flags. |
| 07:18.37 | sanmarcos | that changes the resolution, if you have fb |
| 07:18.40 | sanmarcos | it doesnt change the font |
| 07:19.03 | delire | tengulre11: it changes the font size on my installation, but no, not the font itself. i didn't think that was possible. |
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| 07:19.11 | sanmarcos | dpkg-reconfigure console-tools |
| 07:19.15 | happy_broccoli | debian did it first! instant runoff voting a success for over 1 million people in 3 jd (1 still processing) http://hunterp.wordpress.com |
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| 07:20.06 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: we don't do instant runoff; we do modified cloneproof concordecet. |
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| 07:20.15 | Guerin | happy_broccoli: wtf? |
| 07:20.33 | tengulre11 | delire: where? |
| 07:20.35 | delire | what are 'jd's? |
| 07:20.42 | dondelelcaro | delire: jurisdictions |
| 07:20.42 | Guerin | delire: jurisdictions |
| 07:20.45 | happy_broccoli | delire: jurisdictions |
| 07:20.47 | delire | oh |
| 07:20.58 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: oh well ;-) |
| 07:21.16 | delire | tengulre11: i'd do as sanmarcos suggest's dpkg-reconfigure console-tools. |
| 07:21.17 | pointabhishek | plz send me the site frm which i can d/l debian |
| 07:21.18 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: its single transferrable in some of those. not all technically pure irv |
| 07:21.27 | delire | pointabhishek: http://debian.org |
| 07:21.43 | pointabhishek | thnx in advance |
| 07:21.49 | delire | pointabhishek: click on the link 'download'. |
| 07:21.51 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: I suppose you could argue that modified cloneproof concordecet is a type of IRV, but it's not the same. |
| 07:22.09 | tengulre11 | delire: I m running it . but have not anything display. |
| 07:22.14 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: anything is better than binary caveman voting |
| 07:22.49 | delire | pointabhishek: (actually now it's named 'Getting Debian') |
| 07:23.25 | pointabhishek | http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 07:23.40 | delire | tengulre11: all i do is manipulate the size at which they appear with an overall vga setting (affects ncurses, everything). |
| 07:23.41 | pointabhishek | i have this link |
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| 07:23.52 | pointabhishek | but which 3 iso i must d/l? |
| 07:24.12 | dondelelcaro | pointabhishek: you only need the first; indeed, you don't even need that. |
| 07:24.25 | dondelelcaro | pointabhishek: if you've got a reasonable network connection, just get the netinst, and use it to install. |
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| 07:25.28 | pointabhishek | but there must be 3 cd images if i am not wrong |
| 07:25.52 | delire | tengulre11: for instance in my /boot/grub/menu.lst i have vga=6 to the end of the line titled 'kernel'. |
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| 07:26.45 | tengulre11 | delire: what's the vga=6 mean? |
| 07:27.10 | delire | tengulre11: it's a size index for the entire console display area. |
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| 07:27.35 | delire | tengulre11: that setting makes everything in my console appear smaller. the fonts are leaner, i see more in the console. |
| 07:27.36 | tengulre11 | delire: thanks. |
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| 07:28.06 | delire | s/fonts/characters |
| 07:29.55 | LinuxNIT | does anyone know how to specify a new mime type for a certain file extension and what image to associate with it? |
| 07:30.26 | Guerin | wacom |
| 07:30.29 | Guerin | bollocks |
| 07:32.46 | sanmarcos | LinuxNIT: what desk? |
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| 07:33.03 | sanmarcos | LinuxNIT: with gnome you just use the menu. I asume there is a fdorg standard, else its voodoo |
| 07:34.04 | LinuxNIT | i want to be able to specify an image in an icon theme for a .edj file which is used in enlightenment |
| 07:34.14 | LinuxNIT | so i need to look up fdorg? |
| 07:34.32 | sanmarcos | !freedesktop |
| 07:34.36 | sanmarcos | !freedesktop.org |
| 07:34.39 | sanmarcos | bah |
| 07:34.43 | LinuxNIT | lol |
| 07:34.45 | LinuxNIT | sorry |
| 07:34.54 | LinuxNIT | <<dork |
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| 07:40.34 | litage | when i run vi as root (eg: su -c 'vi /etc/hosts') this message appears near the bottom of the terminal: "Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server. Xlib: No protocol specified". how can i fix this? |
| 07:41.35 | Dewi | litage: that means you have a DISPLAY variable but your x server isn't responding |
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| 07:41.53 | Dewi | litage: all it does is disable X clipboard support in vim |
| 07:41.58 | Dewi | litage: (register +) |
| 07:42.10 | Dewi | at least, that's the only effect I am aware of |
| 07:42.40 | Dewi | litage: so it's not because you're running it as root, it's because you're running it as root while using non-root's environment |
| 07:43.11 | litage | Dewi: ah i see. this started happening after my latest dist-upgrade. do you know how i can fix it? |
| 07:43.36 | Dewi | litage: don't have a DISPLAY variable set unless it's valid |
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| 07:44.39 | Dewi | litage: su makes a mess of the environment unless you use the - option |
| 07:44.44 | Dewi | litage: consider using sudo instead |
| 07:45.06 | dondelelcaro | su doesn't do anything to the environment if unless you use - |
| 07:45.09 | litage | Dewi: i don't want to give my user sudo access to vi |
| 07:45.29 | dondelelcaro | litage: just DISPLAY="" su -c 'vi /etc/hosts'; |
| 07:45.37 | dondelelcaro | or set XAUTHORITY correctly |
| 07:45.44 | dondelelcaro | (depending on what you want to do ) |
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| 07:46.36 | Dewi | dondelelcaro: I consider root running with some other guy's env a mess |
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| 07:46.51 | roleypolinde | can anyone tell me the simplest way to get a telnet daemon going? |
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| 07:47.04 | litage | roleypolinde: don't. use ssh instead |
| 07:47.29 | roleypolinde | how did I know you were going to say that |
| 07:47.33 | Dewi | and that would probably be package 'ssh-server' |
| 07:48.10 | Dewi | although not in sarge it seems |
| 07:48.57 | litage | Dewi: openssh-server for me (etch) |
| 07:49.11 | Dewi | litage: sorry that must be what I'm tihnking of |
| 07:49.17 | roleypolinde | I'm actually doing some really weird stuff |
| 07:49.18 | litage | :) |
| 07:49.28 | roleypolinde | colinux in windows |
| 07:49.28 | roleypolinde | and DSlinux on a nintendo DS |
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| 07:49.30 | litage | roleypolinde: why do you think you want a telnet server? |
| 07:49.39 | roleypolinde | I'm trying to give my Nintendo DS a linux box to log into |
| 07:49.59 | roleypolinde | so that I can install all sorts of text based software on the box to save me the trouble of doing so on the Nintendo DS |
| 07:50.13 | roleypolinde | therefor making my little video game handheld more powerful than windows ;) |
| 07:50.37 | Dewi | so doesn't dslinux have ssh? |
| 07:51.33 | litage | roleypolinde: sorry being pedantic, but it's "login to", not "log into" :) |
| 07:52.14 | roleypolinde | gah |
| 07:52.23 | roleypolinde | it does actually |
| 07:52.48 | roleypolinde | I just don't like to use tools wherein I can't memorize the commands in my head |
| 07:53.00 | roleypolinde | it appears to have dropbear |
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| 07:54.03 | litage | roleypolinde: ssh's args are easy to remember, and you're not doing things like setting up tunnels or anything |
| 07:54.10 | roleypolinde | nope |
| 07:54.15 | roleypolinde | ok |
| 07:54.24 | roleypolinde | what's the simplest way to get SSH daemon going then |
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| 07:55.33 | Cueball|Laptop | roleypolinde, invoke-rc.d ssh start |
| 07:55.51 | mrparanoid | having a few problems with the hostap driver when i build my kernel 2.6.18, anyone able to give me a quick headsup? |
| 07:56.35 | roleypolinde | looks like I have to obtain ssh first |
| 07:57.14 | Cueball|Laptop | roleypolinde, apt-get install ssh |
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| 07:57.49 | Cueball|Laptop | delire, Just type inv and press tab :P |
| 07:58.07 | evil_andy | anyone got any idea why I can see my ldap users from root, but can't see them from a regular user when I type getent passwd? |
| 07:58.11 | delire | Cueball|Laptop: ;) of course. just trying to keep things within human language ;) |
| 07:58.21 | roleypolinde | Thanks for not being patronizing btw |
| 07:58.25 | evil_andy | I keep getting this as a regular user on ldap: I have no name!@svn:~$ |
| 07:59.05 | delire | roleypolinde: things seem to have improved around here over the years ;) |
| 07:59.11 | roleypolinde | it has! |
| 07:59.14 | Cueball|Laptop | Yeah :) |
| 07:59.34 | roleypolinde | crap |
| 07:59.38 | roleypolinde | colinux has no internet connection |
| 07:59.41 | roleypolinde | bbl |
| 08:00.15 | pointabhishek | which 3 iso i d/l in order to install debian frm this site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:00.21 | evil_andy | fixed. fun fun |
| 08:00.37 | pointabhishek | which 3 iso i d/l in order to install debian frm this site http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 08:00.40 | delire | pointabhishek: why do you want to download all three? |
| 08:00.47 | Cueball|Laptop | I remember a few year's back u would get ur head bitten off for asking a question and told to RTFM |
| 08:00.56 | delire | pointabhishek: also, don't repeat your question. if no-one answers, that's bad luck! |
| 08:01.18 | delire | Cueball|Laptop: yeah, it was a gauntlet for newbies especially. bursting into flames on contact with #debian. |
| 08:01.39 | evil_andy | delire, but what if your question is about something that NOONE seems to do... |
| 08:01.43 | delire | pointabhishek: you might find that the netinstall ISO is god for you. |
| 08:01.53 | evil_andy | delire, i.e. single sign-on systems with kerberos+ldap :P |
| 08:02.11 | delire | evil_andy: hehe.. yes. that can be grim. |
| 08:02.34 | evil_andy | delire, I've finally got 2 systems migrated (not completely mind you) over to using it... |
| 08:02.37 | evil_andy | and 2 users too! |
| 08:02.38 | delire | pointabhishek: this is a small ISO from which you can install all the packages you like later. |
| 08:02.53 | evil_andy | now I have to secure all the machines so that they only accept logins from users in certain groups... |
| 08:03.27 | Cueball|Laptop | pointabhishek, http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r3/i386/iso-cd/debian-31r3-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:03.32 | Cueball|Laptop | Net install image. |
| 08:03.35 | delire | evil_andy: nice one! that's what we need to hear more of. successful Linux/LDAP deployments are the migration ticket for many companies. |
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| 08:04.09 | evil_andy | delire, I'm just doing this on the computers I ahve lying around my house, unless I use ldap, it's a pain to get all the user accounts proper LOL |
| 08:04.15 | evil_andy | and I' |
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| 08:04.26 | delire | evil_andy: i know very little about LDAP and Kerberos to be honest. are there channels that are perhaps better suited to this question? |
| 08:04.49 | Cueball|Laptop | Yeah I'd like to do that. Get my M$ clients on the there too. Using Samba as a PDC |
| 08:04.51 | evil_andy | ve been up for almost 20 hours straignt, so... simple things are becomming hard... there are better channels, (i.e. #openldap and #kerberos) but they have about 1 person say something per month... |
| 08:04.54 | delire | evil_andy: yeah i bet. i would've thought there'd be a high-level admin interface for such setups now. |
| 08:05.10 | delire | evil_andy: hmm. bugger. |
| 08:05.21 | evil_andy | actually, if anyone is having issues with this, the best place I've found is comp.protocols.kerberos |
| 08:05.27 | evil_andy | at least for the kerberos stuff. |
| 08:05.36 | delire | Cueball|Laptop: agreed. |
| 08:05.48 | evil_andy | but, I still like to come in here, because a lot of the time, it's something I've mucked up in debian |
| 08:06.40 | delire | evil_andy: this is a funny time of day/night too. i'd come back in some hours when all the sysadmins are bored at work and hanging out here ;) |
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| 08:07.07 | evil_andy | I've been up for way too long. waiting for election results... it's close here :\ |
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| 08:07.55 | delire | evil_andy: yep, interesting hours ahead. |
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| 08:08.21 | evil_andy | well, now that I think I have everything working... I'm gonna log out of these systems, and see if things work... |
| 08:08.28 | Cueball|Laptop | IRC has to be the best contact medium ever designed for computers. |
| 08:08.39 | u221e | If I have a program that uses an install script, is there an easy way to make it into a debian package so I can later uninstall anything it installs? |
| 08:08.39 | evil_andy | (still trying to get pam_krb5 set up to work with ssh-krb5. it's... weird :P |
| 08:09.03 | pointabhishek | how to use console or virtual terminal for IRC in debian |
| 08:09.27 | Cueball|Laptop | pointabhishek, irssi or bitchx |
| 08:09.41 | Cueball|Laptop | Both are avail on apt |
| 08:09.57 | Cueball|Laptop | I recommend irssi. |
| 08:10.02 | delire | so do i |
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| 08:11.04 | delire | u221e: that really depends on what the script is doing.. they can vary greatly. |
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| 08:11.55 | tengulre11 | how to init a system variable when I login in before? |
| 08:11.55 | u221e | delire, it just copies files to places in my root directory. |
| 08:13.10 | Cueball|Laptop | u221e, http://linuxdevices.com/articles/AT8047723203.html |
| 08:13.33 | Cueball|Laptop | Try that. Seems to be a straight forward howto on creating deb's |
| 08:15.56 | delire | u221e: that should be fairly easy to 'debify'. |
| 08:16.08 | delire | anyway, bbl |
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| 08:24.13 | cydork | u221e: what are you trying to do? i just joined .. |
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| 08:24.27 | u221e | If I have a program that uses an install script, is there an easy way to make it into a debian package so I can later uninstall anything it installs? |
| 08:24.33 | jair | hello guys, i am configuring for first time NFS and i wanted to know if is true, that i can configure it to use only version 3 of NFS? |
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| 08:25.23 | cydork | u221e: install script as in Makefile and configure script? |
| 08:25.41 | u221e | No, just a install.sh |
| 08:25.54 | u221e | It just copies stuff where it needs to go. |
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| 08:26.50 | Element14 | this is not exactly a deb question, but does anybody know how to print utf8 contents onto a ncurses window (without having it spew crap)? |
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| 08:27.27 | cydork | u221e: take a look at stow. /msg dpkg stow |
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| 08:27.50 | cydork | u221e: that wont create a deb but will give a way to remove it gracefully |
| 08:29.05 | u221e | I'll take a look at it. |
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| 08:32.58 | ThomasPorter | Hey all. |
| 08:33.43 | ThomasPorter | I just loaded a debian box and I forgot to stick the eth cable in.. when I got to the apt configration part It came up with an error.. so I plugged it in.. although It still comes up with this error, i've even restarted. |
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| 08:34.00 | ThomasPorter | Its a normal 'failed to fetch' error.. i've tried different mirrors too |
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| 08:39.03 | derek[] | Hi |
| 08:39.55 | derek[] | During running base-config, it asks me for adding some more source to apt after it is once configured. |
| 08:40.15 | ThomasPorter | Everyone idle. |
| 08:40.18 | ThomasPorter | Excluding you and me |
| 08:40.40 | derek[] | hm |
| 08:40.42 | derek[] | k |
| 08:40.55 | derek[] | So I'm doing a net-install |
| 08:41.33 | ThomasPorter | Problems with apt? |
| 08:41.34 | ThomasPorter | Yeah me too |
| 08:41.46 | ThomasPorter | How far did you get? |
| 08:42.28 | derek[] | no problems |
| 08:42.38 | derek[] | I'm at the stage |
| 08:42.42 | ThomasPorter | Oh |
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| 08:43.01 | derek[] | of configuring apt |
| 08:43.14 | ThomasPorter | What did you select? |
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| 08:43.25 | ThomasPorter | ftp, http, cdrom, filesystem? |
| 08:43.29 | martin_ | Who do I report a corrupted deb file? |
| 08:43.32 | Guerin | !win sanity |
| 08:43.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, sanity! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 08:43.45 | derek[] | http |
| 08:43.55 | Guerin | NZ parliament just voted down a bill to raise the drinking age from 18 back to 20 |
| 08:44.00 | cydork | ThomasPorter: are you sure network is working? |
| 08:44.02 | Guerin | only 7 years after lowering it |
| 08:44.23 | cydork | Guerin: another sad day for democracy :P |
| 08:44.33 | ThomasPorter | cydork: Sure is, I'm re-formatting with it plugged in |
| 08:44.41 | Guerin | cydork: what's sad about it? |
| 08:44.49 | ThomasPorter | derek[]: Try another mirror.. its not ment to ask that |
| 08:45.09 | cydork | Guerin: nm.. |
| 08:45.20 | cydork | ThomasPorter: re-formatting?? |
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| 08:45.30 | derek[] | ThomasPorter, it gives me a choice |
| 08:45.30 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: That means I can't drink in NZ for 4 years :( |
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| 08:45.43 | derek[] | to add another source or just go with one |
| 08:45.56 | martinjh99 | Can I delete all deb files in /var/cache/apt ?? |
| 08:45.58 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: you can if supervised by your parent or guardian |
| 08:46.04 | Guerin | martinjh99: yes. |
| 08:46.05 | ThomasPorter | derek[]: Sorry, that was aimed at someone else.. I'll be at your stage in 1 sec.. i'm installing debian again |
| 08:46.09 | martinjh99 | Its not going to knacker the system is it?? |
| 08:46.09 | cydork | martinjh99: just use apt-get clean |
| 08:46.14 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: Really? |
| 08:46.15 | Guerin | martinjh99: no. |
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| 08:46.18 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: yes. |
| 08:46.28 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: Are you sure? |
| 08:46.35 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: Doesn't sound right |
| 08:46.46 | cydork | Guerin: hmm now that makes sence :) |
| 08:46.48 | ThomasPorter | derek[]: What are the choices? |
| 08:47.04 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: or your spouse, who's over 18. |
| 08:47.14 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: you should be so lucky. |
| 08:47.27 | martinjh99 | Thanks guys! |
| 08:47.27 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: I wish It was like that in Australia then |
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| 08:47.34 | u221e | The age of consent in Canada is 14, yet the age you can drink is 18 ;) |
| 08:48.00 | Guerin | u221e: in nz consent is 16. |
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| 08:48.06 | ThomasPorter | u221e: Jesus thats young.. |
| 08:48.30 | Guerin | u221e: is it not a provincial thing? |
| 08:48.32 | ThomasPorter | Is a 14 year old capable of making such a desision? |
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| 08:48.43 | Guerin | ThomasPorter: depends on the 14 year-old. |
| 08:48.49 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: I guess so |
| 08:48.50 | u221e | No, it's a national thing. It's soon to be rased to 16 I think. |
| 08:49.08 | u221e | raised |
| 08:49.09 | ThomasPorter | Maybe the 14 year old should be supervised by a parent |
| 08:49.13 | ThomasPorter | lol. |
| 08:49.15 | Guerin | hah |
| 08:49.20 | Guerin | that ain't right |
| 08:49.55 | cydork | hehe |
| 08:50.07 | ThomasPorter | Whats the driving age in canada? |
| 08:50.21 | Guerin | "No, son. No, not like that. JESUS haven't you ever do.... oh, yeah. |
| 08:50.23 | Guerin | " |
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| 08:50.59 | ThomasPorter | Guerin: LOL! |
| 08:51.23 | ireverentReveren | how do i use regex in wget? i want to download all the photos from a folder, but the folder has directory listing disabled |
| 08:51.39 | ireverentReveren | i want to wget all the files matching a pattern |
| 08:51.39 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: no can. |
| 08:51.46 | cydork | ireverentReveren: use lftp |
| 08:52.01 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: only with ftp. Unless indexing is on, it's impossible over http. |
| 08:52.07 | Guerin | cydork: still won't work. |
| 08:52.22 | ireverentReveren | i meant to use like bash expansion before wget got executed |
| 08:52.29 | Guerin | if they're sequentially numbered, you can guess them, but you want to use -w so you don't get locked out. |
| 08:52.30 | cydork | Guerin: lftp can do regexp |
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| 08:53.02 | ireverentReveren | they are sequential, but like 1000 of them so i dont want to do it by hand.... |
| 08:53.13 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: {name0,name1,name2,...,namen} |
| 08:53.19 | ireverentReveren | Thank You |
| 08:53.21 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: oh |
| 08:53.32 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: if they're sequential, you want to use seq |
| 08:53.34 | tarzeau | nice http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~sengun/amsnbug.png |
| 08:54.11 | Guerin | ireverentReveren: so wget http://badgers.com/mushroom$(seq 1 1000).jp # untested |
| 08:54.26 | derek[] | ThomasPorter, http, ftp, etc... then country .. |
| 08:54.41 | ireverentReveren | thanks |
| 08:55.43 | ThomasPorter | derek[]: Is it a net install CD or debian CDs? |
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| 08:56.16 | derek[] | net install, ThomasPorter |
| 08:56.53 | ThomasPorter | derek[]: Do ftp or http, I prefer ftp.. then select your country followed by a random mirror from the next screen |
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| 08:58.50 | u221e | Wow... Ps3 is going to have fully functional linux. |
| 08:58.54 | streuner | tarzeau: ugly ! |
| 08:58.57 | u221e | Complete with dev tools. |
| 08:59.08 | ThomasPorter | I'm oh so buying it.. wow! |
| 08:59.15 | ThomasPorter | I can't emagine anything cooler |
| 08:59.35 | tarzeau | streuner: indeed |
| 08:59.46 | Guerin | !pj harvey++ |
| 09:00.05 | Guerin | u221e: officialwise? |
| 09:00.26 | u221e | Yes, apparently |
| 09:00.27 | Guerin | u221e: as in: sony releases documentation for it. |
| 09:00.37 | Guerin | link? |
| 09:00.46 | cydork | ireverentReveren: Or seq 1 n |sed 's@.*@http://whatere.com/whater-&.jpg@'|wget -i - |
| 09:00.58 | u221e | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS9633831272.html |
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| 09:02.37 | streuner | u221e: how much is a PS3? |
| 09:02.51 | u221e | About $600 |
| 09:02.58 | Guerin | streuner: can't buy one for any money at the moment |
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| 09:04.03 | derek[] | ThomasPorter, I've already done it once. |
| 09:04.33 | ThomasPorter | derek[]: And what did you select? |
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| 09:04.35 | derek[] | ThomasPorter, anyway, when you start installing packages with net-install, which WM is installed? |
| 09:04.53 | derek[] | ThomasPorter, http and my country |
| 09:05.07 | jair | guys if i export a NFS file system like this: /nfs-debian 192.168.123.97(rw,no_root_squash,sync) what exactly means? that the host can mount it as read and write? |
| 09:05.10 | ThomasPorter | darek[]: Ah I see sorry |
| 09:05.37 | jair | I am reading the man page by the way |
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| 09:07.23 | Guerin | jair: that's a freaking bad idea |
| 09:07.36 | Guerin | jair: kill the no-root-squash and it's sane |
| 09:08.52 | jair | Guerin: what no-rootsquash does? |
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| 09:10.30 | jair | Guerin: so you mean this: /nfs-debian 192.168.123.97(rw,sync)? |
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| 09:11.06 | Guerin | jair: yes. |
| 09:11.22 | Guerin | jair: if you don't know what no-root-squash does, why are you using it? |
| 09:11.30 | jair | Guerin: I will need to read about it more to understand it. |
| 09:11.31 | Guerin | jair: it's a good way to get your shit deleted like |
| 09:11.43 | jair | Guerin: I see |
| 09:12.24 | jair | Guerin: but I am giving them access to read and write. Because they will be copying code to the mount. |
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| 09:13.04 | jair | Guerin: and If you notice is just one host, I have it very limited in terms of many people accessing |
| 09:13.34 | Guerin | jair: don't matter. It only takes one root to slip up and make hurties. |
| 09:19.14 | jair | Guerin: so this is the thing, I have a directory exported for this user where he can do whatever he wants, create, delete, install,umount mount. Then the settings I am giving him rw are ok right. |
| 09:20.44 | Piet | is anyone aware of a script to convert /var/lib/dpkg/status into a format which can be used for dpkg --set-selections ? |
| 09:21.04 | streuner | heh |
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| 09:21.20 | Guerin | jair: sure. |
| 09:22.01 | Piet | strankan: is it you're giggling about my issue there? |
| 09:22.14 | Piet | streuner rather |
| 09:22.20 | Piet | sorry strankan |
| 09:22.49 | jair | Guerin: Thank you for your feedback |
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| 09:23.57 | streuner | !status recovery |
| 09:23.58 | dpkg | If your dpkg status file has become corrupted, first backup the current version, and restore a backup from /var/backups/dpkg.status. If all of those are corrupted/missing, then you will have to reinstall all of the packages you currently have installed. try this: find /usr/share/doc -maxdepth 1 -mindepth 1 -type d -not -name texmf -not -name debian -printf '%f install\n'|dpkg --set-selections; apt-get dselect-upgrade; |
| 09:25.13 | Piet | streuner: if i was a virus programmer, i'd now code "i love you" |
| 09:25.36 | cydork | Piet: is your status file corrupted? |
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| 09:26.16 | Piet | put differently: thanks a lot. |
| 09:26.44 | Guerin | streuner: you ARE psychic! |
| 09:26.52 | Piet | cydork: no, it's not, but i need to migrate a system |
| 09:27.10 | cydork | Piet: then wht dont you use --get-selections?? |
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| 09:27.34 | streuner | Guerin: heh |
| 09:27.40 | Piet | cydork: and the old system is no more, i only have the backups which includes /var/backups and /var/lib/dpkg |
| 09:28.16 | Piet | cydork: i guess "the old system is no more" answers your question, right? |
| 09:29.11 | Piet | i gues si just need to replace /var/backups/dpkg.status on the new system by the one from the system i'm migrating from, right? |
| 09:29.20 | cydork | Piet: yep :) |
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| 09:29.37 | Piet | ...and reinstall all packages after that? |
| 09:30.07 | streuner | Guerin: hi |
| 09:30.23 | streuner | Guerin: ;-) |
| 09:30.32 | Guerin | streuner: g'day |
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| 09:34.18 | Piet | cydork: i guess what i said above was wrong. i need to replace /var/lib/dpkg/status, not /var/backups/dpkg.status obviously |
| 09:34.23 | streuner | Piet: migrating from what? |
| 09:34.51 | streuner | Piet: sure |
| 09:34.53 | Piet | streuner: from etch to etch, a different system, different kernel |
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| 09:35.10 | streuner | Piet: different kernel? |
| 09:35.12 | mackss | How does one shred folders? |
| 09:35.12 | Piet | streuner: and then i need to reinstall all packages? |
| 09:35.20 | mackss | shred command only shreds files :( |
| 09:35.24 | streuner | there is no need to touch status using another kernel |
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| 09:35.57 | Piet | streuner: the former kernel was 2.6.16, now it's 2.6.18 but inside a vserver |
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| 09:38.04 | Piet | streuner: i'm trying to have the same packages installe don the new system as i had on the old one, so i do need to replace the status file on the new system by a copy of the one of the old system, right? and then i need to reinstall all (or almost all) packages. how would i go about the latter? |
| 09:38.32 | streuner | sorry, never done that... |
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| 09:38.53 | Piet | mackss: use wipe instead, shred doesn't work on journaled FS anyways |
| 09:39.09 | Piet | streuner: ok thanks anyway |
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| 09:40.43 | mackss | Piet, so shred is useless? |
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| 09:41.57 | kanone | is /etc/dhclient.conf being used? all its lines are commented out. how does debian config dhcp client? |
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| 09:45.01 | streuner | dpkg, no vserver is <reply> Linux-VServer allows you to create virtual private servers and security contexts which operate like a normal Linux server, but allow many independent servers to be run simultaneously in one box at full speed. |
| 09:45.01 | dpkg | streuner: okay |
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| 09:46.06 | kanone__ | is /etc/dhclient.conf being used? all its lines are commented out. how does debian config dhcp client? |
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| 09:46.21 | petemc | kanone__: it should be |
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| 09:48.37 | cydork | Piet: sorry i was away. yes you need to replace /var/lib/dpkg/status, |
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| 09:49.32 | Piet | cydork: thanks for responding. would you know whether i also need to reinstalla ll packages after that, and how i would go about that? |
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| 09:50.21 | cydork | Piet: apt-get deselect-upgrade? |
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| 09:51.36 | Piet | cydork: looks good, thanks :) |
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| 09:52.06 | UlfJack | hi |
| 09:52.16 | UlfJack | i've got a weird problem with debian testing/unstable |
| 09:52.32 | UlfJack | somehow text is not rendered properly, some parts are simply missing |
| 09:52.34 | UlfJack | any ideas? |
| 09:52.44 | peterrooney | isn't that the only kind of problem with unstable? |
| 09:52.56 | kanone | petemc:so the lines shouldn't all be commented out? |
| 09:53.29 | kanone | the content started by stating that it is an example. |
| 09:53.34 | UlfJack | http://server1.conquer-space.net/~ulf/font-problem.jpg |
| 09:53.57 | petemc | kanone: are you having a problem? |
| 09:53.58 | UlfJack | i've had debian testing installed, and it appeared first when i upgraded (testing) last week |
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| 09:54.11 | UlfJack | i've updated again this week, with no success |
| 09:54.11 | petemc | kanone: uncomment anything you need to change |
| 09:54.21 | UlfJack | i've then switched to unstable, but that didn't help either |
| 09:54.34 | UlfJack | it works fine on my other machines (which have both unstable) |
| 09:54.58 | petemc | !tell UlfJack about enter |
| 09:55.03 | kanone | petemc: yes, i cannot connect to the wlan. dhclient gives me "received packet failed on eth0 : network is down" |
| 09:55.33 | Piet | !tell UlfJack about unstable |
| 09:55.58 | petemc | kanone: your interface works ok? you can configure an address manually? |
| 09:56.03 | trout_` | yo |
| 09:56.04 | rsteele | Hello |
| 09:56.04 | perl_cont | yo |
| 09:56.21 | kanone | petemc: yes, it is ok. |
| 09:56.34 | petemc | kanone: how have you verified? |
| 09:56.43 | trout_` | don't know |
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| 09:56.51 | UlfJack | Piet: you realize that it broke with testing, not unstable? |
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| 09:57.06 | kanone | i check with ifconfig, i can change the mac addr. |
| 09:57.39 | petemc | kanone: you can change mac address? whats that got to do with anything? |
| 09:57.40 | eltopo | sup? |
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| 09:58.19 | kanone | i can also use iwconfig to config to a network. |
| 09:58.34 | Piet | UlfJack: my point was that you should not upgrade your system to solve a bug. |
| 09:58.46 | kanone | petemc: it shows the card is ok. |
| 09:58.56 | Piet | UlfJack: because it's more likely to cause more breakage. |
| 09:59.05 | mackss | Piet, thank you for the tip on wipe |
| 09:59.06 | kanone | i mean it being able to change its mac addr. |
| 09:59.25 | Piet | mackss: my pleasure :) |
| 09:59.48 | mackss | Piet, is wipe -rcf a suitable string? |
| 10:00.50 | Piet | UlfJack: about the font issue, i suggest you check for defoma bugs on bugs.debian.org, but others may have better suggestions. in the future, if you're using testing/unstable i very much recommend you use apt-listbugs and read its output and what it refers to prior to installing. |
| 10:01.47 | Piet | mackss: suitable for? |
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| 10:06.14 | quintin_ | Anyone here good with gimp? I need a very simple edit |
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| 10:06.58 | kanone | !Anyone |
| 10:06.58 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
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| 10:07.11 | quintin_ | kanone: blow me. |
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| 10:07.39 | kanone | i would prefer to F u. |
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| 10:07.50 | kanone | !blow |
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| 10:08.15 | quintin_ | nasty. |
| 10:08.35 | kanone | quintin_: i learn it here. |
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| 10:11.11 | UlfJack | none of the bug reports on defoma seem to be related to my problem. how can i see old bug reports? the 'archived' reports link doesn't seem to work |
| 10:11.13 | quintin_ | is that v4 thingie out yet? |
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| 10:11.42 | UlfJack | oops, sorry, i now see that the link does work |
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| 10:11.51 | tiny | Why is debian relying on third party vendors for selling official CDs/DVDs? I mean why is it so hard to provide those? This thing with 3rd party vendors is a mess. One sells this, other sells that. |
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| 10:12.15 | tiny | This way everything would be nicely stored on one place. |
| 10:12.34 | sep | tiny, do you want to do the job ? |
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| 10:12.52 | quintin_ | tiny: I sell you some cds real inexpensive. what do you need? |
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| 10:13.11 | tiny | It's not about prices |
| 10:13.28 | quintin_ | tiny: why are you whining if you don't need cds |
| 10:13.45 | tiny | We're thinkign of switching distro and I could show my boss ... look there ... many options ... lets support debian now and buy profesional edition or something |
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| 10:14.06 | quintin_ | ... there is no 'professional edition'. |
| 10:14.10 | tiny | lol |
| 10:14.20 | ste | hi all. to use compiz with kde, is it necessary to install compiz-gtk or compiz-gnome too? |
| 10:14.26 | tiny | I know ... but this way you'de make it easire for people to support this project |
| 10:14.34 | chemaja | how can "21:13:38.785550 IP dns.meb.optusnet.com.au.domain > my.ip.ad.dy" appear in a tcpdump if the tcpdump line is "tcpdump not arp and not port msnp or domain or ircd"? |
| 10:14.37 | quintin_ | tiny: send me a check. |
| 10:14.46 | sep | tiny, debian is made by 1000 voulenteers, unless someone voulenteer to make "official debian cd's" there wont be any. :) |
| 10:14.55 | tiny | quintin: I told you already ... bosses need to see stuff |
| 10:15.00 | tiny | box, book, dvds |
| 10:15.04 | quintin_ | tiny: I'll show your boss a copy of the check. |
| 10:15.10 | quintin_ | wtf else you want from me |
| 10:15.13 | tiny | I'm being serous quintin |
| 10:15.17 | quintin_ | so am I! |
| 10:15.20 | quintin_ | ... |
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| 10:15.33 | sep | he wants retail boxed debian :) |
| 10:15.53 | quintin_ | I've got your retail boxed debian right here |
| 10:15.55 | quintin_ | x86 edition |
| 10:15.58 | quintin_ | $99.95 |
| 10:16.05 | tiny | why not |
| 10:16.12 | quintin_ | =) |
| 10:16.17 | UlfJack | any more ideas about my font problem? i made no progress with reading the bug reports on defoma (they don't seem to be related to my problem). |
| 10:16.20 | tiny | you could also have it sell for more .... as an option |
| 10:16.31 | quintin_ | shall I privmsg you my mailing address? I also take Visa and Mastercard |
| 10:16.56 | tiny | We supported SuSE this way .. by buying their products ... but that story is over |
| 10:16.58 | quintin_ | the 64 bit hyper-deluxe-business edition is also available for 179.95 |
| 10:17.11 | rob | quintin: you can privmsg me your visa and mastercard |
| 10:17.34 | rob | I'll buy suse with it |
| 10:17.38 | quintin_ | oh this is for desktops btw. debian server is 199.95 for x86, amd64, and SPARC |
| 10:18.09 | quintin_ | tiny: ok, so we doing business or what |
| 10:18.16 | quintin_ | tiny: otherwise, why not 'support' ubuntu? |
| 10:18.31 | tiny | couse I don't liek that distro |
| 10:18.35 | sep | !donate |
| 10:18.35 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, donate is http://www.spi-inc.org/donations |
| 10:18.37 | quintin_ | why's that? |
| 10:18.44 | quintin_ | sep: shhhhhhhh. |
| 10:18.56 | sep | quintin: hahaha |
| 10:19.01 | rob | tiny: see http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 10:19.33 | tiny | omg |
| 10:19.43 | tiny | you just don't want to make money do you |
| 10:19.56 | rob | nah, money is over-rated |
| 10:19.58 | quintin_ | tiny: yes I do |
| 10:20.05 | scorpiion | :) |
| 10:20.15 | quintin_ | tiny: but you are not cooperating |
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| 10:21.34 | x_link | Hi |
| 10:21.54 | x_link | The first time I installed Debian it was perfect. It worked just fine without any problems at all. |
| 10:22.01 | quintin_ | tiny: I can ship today if you place your order in the next 6 hours |
| 10:22.09 | quintin_ | x_link: astute observation. |
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| 10:22.16 | eipz | anyone who know's wpasupplicant? |
| 10:22.16 | x_link | But now... sometimes the programs I click on doesn't open, sometimes I have to reboot cause internet doesn't work. |
| 10:22.24 | x_link | quintin_: ? |
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| 10:22.29 | x_link | What does that mean. |
| 10:22.33 | quintin_ | x_link: user error. |
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| 10:22.41 | x_link | quintin_: hmmm okey. How do I fix that ? |
| 10:22.46 | x_link | Or is it something I have done wrong ? |
| 10:22.56 | x_link | I'm really new with Linux, so I don't know. |
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| 10:23.43 | x_link | Cause this is really annoying. |
| 10:24.23 | tiny | quintin: dude I was trying to point out that debian is missing a bit of marketing strategy ... I know it's volenteer and all ... but it's easier for people (bosess) to donate if they get some fancy eyecandy box with stuff in it ... |
| 10:25.00 | tiny | it's easier for me to pull money from them then to just say donate |
| 10:25.01 | x_link | quintin_: I'm using Debian Testing. |
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| 10:25.46 | kryptoz | I got a generic doubt in load balancing. I have two isp. they terminate as ethernet port. Is there a way to make the two connections (2Mpbs+1Mbps) act as a single 3 mpbs connection ? |
| 10:25.57 | gnudo | i tried to install linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 on my sarge laptop but i got the error: yaird error: bad value in /boot/config-2.6.18-1-486: CONFIG_DEFCONFIG_LIST="/lib/modules/$UNAME_RELEASE/.config" (fatal) |
| 10:26.12 | gnudo | what gives? |
| 10:26.54 | Piet | mackss: wipe is no complete solution either, make sure you read all available documentation if you intend to use it regularly. but i think it's much better than shred for most uses still. |
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| 10:28.05 | UlfJack | my last screenshot didn't show properly what's going on. i made a new one: http://server1.conquer-space.net/~ulf/font-problem.jpg some text is shown, some is not, when i scroll/hover/etc, the parts that are shown change. any ideas? |
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| 10:30.43 | tiny | see something like this: http://www.pinguin.at/cgi-bin/public_shop?id=345&sid=20061108104255204854 ... but it's prolly in german and that vendor is the only one that's selling it |
| 10:31.16 | roadboy | anyone have configuration example for shaper? |
| 10:31.31 | gnudo | tiny: are you talking to me? |
| 10:31.49 | tiny | how would I know |
| 10:31.49 | petemc | tiny: did you look on debian.org ? |
| 10:31.56 | tiny | petemc: for what? |
| 10:32.12 | petemc | tiny: cd vendors |
| 10:32.12 | tiny | gnudo: no I'm not talking to you |
| 10:32.20 | tiny | petemc: never mind ... |
| 10:32.30 | petemc | tiny: is that not what you're complaining about? |
| 10:32.50 | tiny | yes ... third party vendors suck |
| 10:33.02 | petemc | you've tried them all? |
| 10:33.39 | eipz | anyone got the time to help me with wpasupplicant? |
| 10:33.40 | tiny | the concept of thir party vendors suck petemc |
| 10:33.44 | tiny | imho |
| 10:33.49 | petemc | tiny: why so? |
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| 10:34.27 | baldr | please, on Unstable I cannot send data from the cell phone to the pc via bluetooth, I can only receive from the computer.. |
| 10:34.56 | tiny | I think this project could benefit from ditributing/seling official debian distro |
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| 10:35.30 | roadboy | anyone have configuration example for shaper package? |
| 10:35.57 | baldr | ..my cell phone don't discover the bluetooth dongle of the pc |
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| 10:42.32 | aRJAy | hmm.. interesting. I'm just setting up a Debian install (my first) and I'm pointing my browser over to it's IP address. |
| 10:43.02 | aRJAy | It automatically gets re-directed to http://192.168.1.7/apache2-default/ |
| 10:43.08 | aRJAy | not really sure why though.. |
| 10:43.10 | aRJAy | any thoughts? |
| 10:43.11 | aRJAy | :) |
| 10:43.12 | SpComb | yes, apache does that by default |
| 10:43.20 | SpComb | it's in /etc/apache2/sites-available/default |
| 10:43.20 | aRJAy | hm |
| 10:43.24 | skx | odla: no problem |
| 10:43.28 | SpComb | there's a RedirectMatch statement there |
| 10:43.36 | skx | ralf-x: D'oh! |
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| 10:43.56 | aRJAy | SpComb: so you suggest perhaps editing this? :) |
| 10:45.23 | SpComb | yes |
| 10:45.48 | aRJAy | I think I see the line :) RedirectMatch ^/$ /apache2-default/. |
| 10:45.58 | aRJAy | I think a nice little # could go in there.. |
| 10:46.56 | aRJAy | then service restart apache2 ? |
| 10:47.02 | aRJAy | something like that ? |
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| 10:48.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:48.49 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 10:52.25 | baldr | please, on Unstable I cannot send data from the cell phone to the pc via bluetooth, I can only receive from the computer.. |
| 10:52.25 | Piet | cydork: apt-get deselect-upgrade didn't work too well, i've got a pretty hosed system now. luckily it's a vserver |
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| 10:52.56 | aRJAy | how does one restart apache2 after changing the config? |
| 10:53.18 | wiking | hi is there a way to give https support for apt + that it can do a simple base auth before accessing the repository |
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| 10:54.59 | cydork | Piet: hmm i think the problem is the Status : install ok installed. |
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| 10:57.13 | Piet | cydork: i guess so, too |
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| 10:58.12 | aRJAy | how does one restart apache2 after changing the config? |
| 10:59.15 | eipz | aRJAy: /etc/init.d/apache2 restart should work |
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| 10:59.16 | petemc | apache2ctl restart |
| 10:59.36 | quintin_ | anyone here want to critique my business card ? |
| 10:59.53 | aRJAy | quintin:sure |
| 11:00.06 | quintin_ | aRJAy: http://poker1.mine.nu/~quintin/ |
| 11:00.09 | quintin_ | look at the screens |
| 11:00.59 | aRJAy | now... I'm not sure why my php files can't be read...hmmm |
| 11:01.33 | quintin_ | aRJAy: ehm are you talking about on a web server they are not being executed? try apt-get install libapache2-mod-php4 |
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| 11:01.40 | quintin_ | aRJAy: now look at my business cards! |
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| 11:03.28 | aRJAy | quintin: interesting. |
| 11:04.48 | quintin_ | aRJAy: ?! |
| 11:05.21 | aRJAy | quintin: good concept.. need some work on the fonts perhaps.. |
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| 11:05.46 | aRJAy | quintin: thanks for that tip... trying it now.. I'm just wondering what else I need to install! |
| 11:05.47 | aRJAy | heh |
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| 11:07.00 | baldr | please, on Unstable I cannot send data from the cell phone to the pc via bluetooth, I can only receive.. |
| 11:07.06 | Fox | apt-get install brain ? :) |
| 11:07.14 | quintin_ | apt-get install a-clue |
| 11:07.26 | quintin_ | aRJAy: you still have not commented on my card. |
| 11:07.31 | quintin_ | aRJAy: wtf am I paying you for |
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| 11:07.39 | aRJAy | lol |
| 11:07.49 | aRJAy | quintin: ok ok :) |
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| 11:08.09 | aRJAy | quintin: looking again.. |
| 11:08.25 | Piet | D |
| 11:08.36 | Piet | ignore that :) |
| 11:08.39 | aRJAy | quintin: screenshot 1... not too bad.. good concept, fonts could be better.. |
| 11:09.23 | aRJAy | quintin: We Make IT Work is good. |
| 11:13.09 | aRJAy | quintin: they aren't too bad... |
| 11:13.13 | aRJAy | more work to be done |
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| 11:16.15 | aRJAy | apache2ctl restart and /etc/init.d/apache2 restart |
| 11:16.22 | aRJAy | they both do the same thing.. |
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| 11:20.35 | aRJAy | any other ways of doing the same thing? |
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| 11:21.04 | Fox | aRJAy: they don't have the same purpose |
| 11:21.26 | Fox | aRJAy: killall -HUP apache2 :) |
| 11:21.32 | aRJAy | ? |
| 11:21.48 | cydork | aRJAy: invoke-rc.d ? :) |
| 11:22.21 | bungley | REBOOT |
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| 11:22.37 | Fox | quintin_: I really wonder why you're paying aRJAy :) |
| 11:22.55 | jabka | how can i upload files when i m conected via ssh client to a server |
| 11:23.29 | Fox | jabka: scp |
| 11:23.36 | aRJAy | bungley: that 'reboot' really works well :) |
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| 11:25.24 | jabka | Fox: thank you |
| 11:25.33 | Fox | yaw |
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| 11:31.31 | kidddddddddddddd | please someone help me with xawtv :S i get error when i start it -> X Error of failed request: XF86DGANoDirectVideoMode |
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| 11:33.33 | bungley | anyone know where I can get a more in-depth discussion of why zope2.7 was pulled than: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=362283 |
| 11:33.36 | bungley | ? |
| 11:34.08 | aRJAy | hmm... I've just been installing my first Deb... I just did a 'reboot' and now I cannot ssh/telnet into it ! |
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| 11:34.54 | jabka | aRJAy : ssh is running ? |
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| 11:35.23 | aRJAy | jabka: I can't tell.. can't log in! |
| 11:35.26 | aRJAy | heh |
| 11:36.11 | jabka | aRJAy: local or remote system ? |
| 11:36.35 | aRJAy | remote... but it's right next to me.. |
| 11:36.45 | aRJAy | ok.. time to plug in a monitor I think :( |
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| 11:48.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2006/11/microsoft_conce.html |
| 11:48.49 | nachos | heyo |
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| 11:55.49 | bigtone | folks, I'm trying to use the xen+vserver enabled kernel in unstable, but am having a problem creating (booting) a domU instance. Is anyone successfully using this kernel and the Xen aspects? |
| 11:56.19 | bigtone | trouble = it attempts to boot, but fails 100 seconds later with some hotplug errors |
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| 11:57.00 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | hi |
| 11:57.20 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | what is apt-file? |
| 11:57.56 | cydork | !tell j-e-w-sdidwtclol -about apt-file |
| 11:57.58 | Fox | apt tool to search what package(s) a file/binary comes with |
| 11:58.13 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | thanks |
| 11:59.03 | Fox | j-e-w-sdidwtclol: would you mind changing your nick please ? |
| 11:59.12 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | why fox? |
| 11:59.27 | aRJAy | j-e-w-sdidwtclol: what does your nick mean? |
| 11:59.35 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | jews did wtc |
| 11:59.47 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | a theory |
| 11:59.50 | Gregzx | than maby you change it |
| 11:59.59 | aRJAy | j-e-w-sdidwtclol: change it please. |
| 12:00.07 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | why? |
| 12:00.10 | Gregzx | its not a theory channel |
| 12:00.17 | Gregzx | cuz jews didnt do wtc |
| 12:00.18 | Gregzx | one |
| 12:00.21 | Gregzx | it insults |
| 12:00.22 | Gregzx | two |
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| 12:00.24 | Gregzx | enough? |
| 12:00.25 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | how do you know that? |
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| 12:00.38 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | proof it |
| 12:00.57 | aRJAy | j-e-w-sdidwtclol: Your political opinion is insulting and without base. It borders on anti-semitism. |
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| 12:01.02 | rsteele | yo |
| 12:01.09 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | anti-semisism? |
| 12:01.13 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | why? |
| 12:01.24 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | is it anti-moslem to say moslems did wtc? |
| 12:01.27 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | no it isnt! |
| 12:01.35 | Gregzx | cuz they did it |
| 12:01.41 | Gregzx | sure it isnt anti-muslim |
| 12:01.43 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | no, they didnt |
| 12:01.53 | Gregzx | and noone says that MUSLIMS did it in general |
| 12:02.02 | Gregzx | terrorists did it |
| 12:02.11 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | i also say jews didnt do it in gerneral |
| 12:02.13 | Fox | are jews muslims ? I doubt but I may be wrong... |
| 12:02.14 | aRJAy | j-e-w-sdidwtclol: I don't see anyone with a nick in here saying 'm-u-s-l-i-m-sdidwtclol' do you?? |
| 12:02.18 | Gregzx | saying that all muslims are anti U.S. would be anti-muslim |
| 12:02.19 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | i mean jewish terrorists |
| 12:02.38 | Gregzx | write t than |
| 12:02.42 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | i dont say ALL did wtc |
| 12:02.44 | aRJAy | j-e-w-sdidwtclol: ermm... fyi, there is no such thing as a jewish terrorist |
| 12:02.49 | Gregzx | you say jews |
| 12:03.05 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | jews != all jews |
| 12:03.09 | Gregzx | oh this is stupid discussion with a stupid american |
| 12:03.20 | j-e-w-sdidwtclol | ... |
| 12:03.28 | Fox | jews == all jews, some jews != all jews |
| 12:04.02 | Gregzx | now its hilarious |
| 12:04.11 | Gregzx | and you are hilarious to change your nick like that |
| 12:04.14 | Gregzx | seriously |
| 12:04.16 | Fox | you're getting dumber and dumber somejew-sdidwtc :) |
| 12:04.20 | aRJAy | ffs... there are some idiots in this world who give other idiots a bad name :) |
| 12:04.21 | aRJAy | lol |
| 12:04.30 | Gregzx | yep |
| 12:04.37 | Fox | aRJAy: you're an idiot !! :) |
| 12:04.53 | aRJAy | Fox You! |
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| 12:04.56 | aRJAy | heh |
| 12:04.58 | Fox | :) |
| 12:05.02 | Fox | !nuke aRJAy |
| 12:05.09 | jones20992 | has anybody hear used genome-dock |
| 12:05.11 | Fox | oups, sorry dpkg :) |
| 12:05.15 | aRJAy | noooooooooooooooo nuuuuukiieeee! |
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| 12:05.24 | aRJAy | *zap* |
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| 12:05.37 | Hadaka | my xemacs has some bugs in dired and auto-save throws errors - any idea what's wrong? |
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| 12:05.43 | aRJAy | poor dpkg |
| 12:05.52 | Fox | too much work for him :/ |
| 12:06.02 | aRJAy | obviously |
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| 12:06.15 | aRJAy | well... he's shut his gob for a bit... kewl. |
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| 12:06.38 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc, that is. |
| 12:06.54 | somejew-sdidwtc | o rly? |
| 12:07.12 | debhat | hi. i've just started using debian. what i would like to know is how i get the audacious sound player installed using synaptic apt or whatever. it doesn't seem to be in any of the repos |
| 12:07.46 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: since you're right in with the facts on war, is it true that the irish were responsible for the US Civil War? |
| 12:08.12 | aRJAy | oh... and was it the Italians how set up the aparthied in South Africa? |
| 12:08.22 | somejew-sdidwtc | no, it were british guys |
| 12:08.36 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: ah.. thanks for the clarification on that.. |
| 12:08.53 | somejew-sdidwtc | no problem |
| 12:09.27 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: another question... I believe that there was a theory about the Fijians being responsible for the bombing of Beirut. Yes? |
| 12:09.48 | somejew-sdidwtc | there are many theories for that |
| 12:09.54 | somejew-sdidwtc | i think some jews did it |
| 12:10.18 | aRJAy | oh.. and let's not forget about the Napalese being the instigators of the war in Iraq. Right? |
| 12:10.21 | somejew-sdidwtc | but i have no proof |
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| 12:10.56 | psycodad | how do i install kernel-sources on etch ? |
| 12:11.09 | debhat | is this convo representative of the debian community ? i'm beginning to have my doubts about you guys |
| 12:11.09 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: Are you by any chance a muslim? |
| 12:11.12 | somejew-sdidwtc | apt-get install kernel-sources |
| 12:11.12 | psycodad | apt-cache search kernel-source yields nothing |
| 12:11.23 | somejew-sdidwtc | yes, aRJAy, why? |
| 12:11.37 | somejew-sdidwtc | dont you like muslims? |
| 12:11.43 | cydork | psycodad: linux-source |
| 12:11.57 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: Oh.. just a theoty I have... based on no fact. How funny that I was right though. |
| 12:12.03 | psycodad | cydork: THX! |
| 12:12.04 | cydork | somejew-sdidwtc: stop trolling |
| 12:12.15 | somejew-sdidwtc | theoties are always good |
| 12:12.34 | debhat | fuck this for a game of soldiers |
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| 12:12.53 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: Another question for you. Is it true that the Palestinians teach to their children at school to hate jews and israel? |
| 12:13.01 | amphi | aRJAy: right? hardly - can you say 'gnaa'? or 'gnaa wannabe'? |
| 12:13.04 | aRJAy | or... is that just a theory as well? |
| 12:13.07 | somejew-sdidwtc | stop trolling, aRJAy |
| 12:13.23 | somejew-sdidwtc | this is a debian channel! |
| 12:13.33 | aRJAy | somejew-sdidwtc: I'm asking a direct question here. |
| 12:13.40 | somejew-sdidwtc | query me |
| 12:13.47 | somejew-sdidwtc | if you got offtopic questions |
| 12:13.51 | somejew-sdidwtc | or use #debian-offtopic |
| 12:14.01 | somejew-sdidwtc | !offtopic |
| 12:14.15 | aRJAy | why not change your nick, somejew-sdidwtc? |
| 12:14.22 | aRJAy | !offensive nick |
| 12:14.23 | somejew-sdidwtc | ... |
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| 12:14.30 | blondie | !ops severe trolling |
| 12:14.31 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: blondie complains about: severe trolling |
| 12:14.31 | somejew-sdidwtc | offensive? |
| 12:14.32 | jones20992 | what is gnaa as in gnaa.org ? |
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| 12:15.11 | blondie | thanks |
| 12:15.25 | aRJAy | Thank you. |
| 12:15.28 | azeem | blondie: can you maybe add *who* you think is trolling next time? |
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| 12:15.48 | amphi | jones20992: trolls |
| 12:15.53 | blondie | azeem: they might beat me up :( |
| 12:16.35 | cydork | wwo that did go on for a while .. |
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| 12:18.07 | azeem | blondie: well, even after reading a couple of screens of backlog, it is not clear to me that aRJAy is not trolling as well, for example |
| 12:18.27 | aRJAy | ermm... I'm certainly not trolling/looking for trouble... |
| 12:19.19 | azeem | 13:03 < aRJAy> somejew-sdidwtc: Another question for you. Is it true that the Palestinians teach to their children at school to hate jews and israel? |
| 12:19.25 | azeem | that doesn't look very on-topic either |
| 12:20.42 | aRJAy | that's true... the question wasn't on the topic... I didn't enter the channel with the intention of causing political debate nor personal offense to others. |
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| 12:21.20 | aRJAy | My nick is not offensive nor has it caused any reason for debate. |
| 12:21.36 | aRJAy | azeem: fair call? |
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| 12:22.22 | azeem | aRJAy: I'm saying that you should rather invoke the channel moderators via the !ops command as blondie did, than to engage in some "clash of civilizations" discussions with trolls/abusive people |
| 12:22.59 | aRJAy | azeem: ahh... ic. I wasn't aware of the !ops command. |
| 12:23.10 | aRJAy | Only been on here for a week or less. |
| 12:23.14 | azeem | no problem |
| 12:23.17 | azeem | it is underused |
| 12:23.18 | aRJAy | Thanks for the pointer. |
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| 12:32.45 | baldr | I cannot see the bluetooth dongle from the cell phone |
| 12:33.02 | baldr | I tried everything.. |
| 12:33.18 | freespace | virgin sacrifice? |
| 12:33.26 | baldr | :D |
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| 12:33.45 | baldr | ..so difficult find a virgin.. |
| 12:34.03 | sussudio | baldr: try #gentoo |
| 12:34.08 | freespace | not in here... |
| 12:34.44 | sussudio | plenty of virgins in there. |
| 12:34.46 | baldr | I know, gentoo is very good but I have debian, unstable |
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| 12:35.15 | sussudio | baldr: no, to find a virgin, you want #gentoo. maybe #slackware. |
| 12:35.53 | freespace | or ##hackers |
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| 12:36.06 | baldr | and who makes the verginity test? |
| 12:37.03 | sussudio | no need. they've never even seen a woman in #gentoo |
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| 12:37.10 | amphi | heh |
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| 12:37.49 | freespace | hehe |
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| 12:38.31 | strk | anyone on debian stable willing to help testing gnash (The GNU Flash Player) ? |
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| 12:38.58 | freespace | most debian stable boxens don't have X11 i would imagine |
| 12:39.06 | freespace | and no, sorry, testing/unstable here :( |
| 12:39.11 | baldr | this is the reason I've debian.. |
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| 12:39.13 | strk | freespace: you don't need it, can run in 'play-sound-only' mode |
| 12:39.28 | strk | no need for X |
| 12:39.32 | Cuddles_in_KY | morning all. |
| 12:39.39 | freespace | ah, an extra advantage over normal flash players |
| 12:40.22 | strk | freespace: there's also an experimental framebuffer interface, but for the test I need you don't even need that |
| 12:40.39 | strk | just SDL and either libmad or ffmpeg (the bug we're tracking is with ffmpeg really) |
| 12:40.53 | freespace | hrm, still doesn't solve the problem i don't have a stable debian install strk :( my apologies |
| 12:40.55 | Cuddles_in_KY | i have a fresh install of sarge on my system, and so far, it works decently, except for a slight video problem. whenever i try to scroll [be it a web page, an option list, etc], 2/3 of the screen goes completely blank. any suggestions on fixing this? |
| 12:41.26 | strk | sarge == 3.1 == stable ? (I'm a bit out-of-sync) |
| 12:41.37 | Cuddles_in_KY | strk, that's correct. |
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| 12:42.29 | strk | Cuddles_in_KY: would you help debugging GNU gnash by building and running it on that system ? we've a specific bug we're tryin to track. |
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| 12:42.53 | Cuddles_in_KY | dunno what help i can be, but i'll try. |
| 12:43.04 | Cuddles_in_KY | just tell me what to do. ;] |
| 12:43.09 | strk | Cuddles_in_KY: first thing would be fetching it from cvs |
| 12:43.20 | Cuddles_in_KY | ok |
| 12:43.40 | strk | cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@cvs.savannah.gnu.org:/sources/gnash co -r release_0_7_2 gnash |
| 12:43.58 | strk | Cuddles_in_KY: if you join #gnash we're discussing this (have other testers too) |
| 12:44.37 | Cuddles_in_KY | and there went my screen again. |
| 12:45.20 | Cuddles_in_KY | any ideas on my problem? |
| 12:45.42 | strk | Cuddles_in_KY: sorry, no idea |
| 12:46.14 | strk | Cuddles_in_KY: seems related to the desktop environmnet though, what is it ? |
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| 12:47.22 | Cuddles_in_KY | it does the same in kde, gnome, and fluxbox. |
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| 12:48.06 | Cuddles_in_KY | especially bad if i have an xterm open, and it scrolls [like during a build process] |
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| 12:49.04 | freespace | perhaps your x11 driver is not correct |
| 12:49.08 | freespace | for your video card |
| 12:49.12 | strk | sounds just slow |
| 12:49.23 | Cuddles_in_KY | should be. s3 savage4, running the savage driver. |
| 12:49.24 | freespace | if its vesa, maybe it is |
| 12:49.31 | freespace | ah ok, well its not that then |
| 12:49.38 | freespace | perhaps bad vram or something... not sure :\ |
| 12:49.56 | Cuddles_in_KY | i have to keep hitting ''refresh desktop'' just to get it back. |
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| 12:50.35 | Cuddles_in_KY | video card tested out fine in diags |
| 12:50.42 | BucWheat | what is the command to determine which package version is installed? i'm trying to find out for the libusb package |
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| 12:51.39 | Cuddles_in_KY | should i try changing my driver? |
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| 12:54.38 | skieros | hi |
| 12:54.41 | skieros | I have articles about saying of Greek orthodox Monks plz read them at skieros.blogspot .com and also if you want clcik some of my Google ads there |
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| 12:55.26 | Cuddles_in_KY | excuse me skieros, but what exactly do the monks say about linux, and debian in particular? |
| 12:56.04 | skieros | Cuddles_in_KY, nothing really its religion matters |
| 12:56.12 | BucWheat | how do i update to the latest libusb-0.1.12 ? |
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| 12:56.48 | Cuddles_in_KY | then i would suggest you try a different channel. perhaps #religion would be better? |
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| 12:57.26 | anapivirtua | See you later / Bonne journee :) |
| 12:57.34 | BucWheat | i currently have libusb-0.1-4 installed. any thoughts on this? |
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| 13:00.29 | nkuttler | BucWheat: well... 1.12 doesn't seem to be in sarge. try apt-get.org and backports.org |
| 13:01.19 | Fox | or backport it yourself |
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| 13:07.04 | Cuddles_in_KY | ok, the white-outs are getting worse. now when it happens, the whole system freezes for about 10 seconds at a time. |
| 13:07.38 | Cuddles_in_KY | does anyone have any ideas on fixing this? |
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| 13:15.31 | EtherNet | hello everybody, let's check out if someone could help |
| 13:16.07 | EtherNet | I've got an "INBOX" file which has 2.0Gb.... it looks corrupted cause gives errores.. is there any application for importing it in outlook/mozilla thunderbird? |
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| 13:17.07 | petemc | EtherNet: is it mbox? thunderbird should be able to read a local mbox |
| 13:17.22 | EtherNet | petemc, how do I know its format? |
| 13:17.37 | petemc | EtherNet: is it a file, or a dir? |
| 13:17.41 | frex | On my box that runs etch i can change the timer frequency through menuconfig. But i can not do it on my stable box. How to change it on stable 2.6.8? |
| 13:17.45 | EtherNet | petemc, it's a file |
| 13:17.47 | EtherNet | only a file |
| 13:18.09 | Nibbier | i'm trying to use some citrix, but therfor i need to install a certificate. if i start kleopatra as root it seems to work, but as user i cannot import the certificate. any hints? |
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| 13:18.18 | petemc | EtherNet: its probably a mbox then, copy it to the machine and tell tbird where it is |
| 13:18.28 | Ox0F0-0FF | EtherNet, Well, for such a inbox size, What about using Maildir format instead of a file ? |
| 13:18.45 | Ox0F0-0FF | There's a good script mbox2maildir or something that will do the translation for you. Now if it's corrupted.... no idea what you could do |
| 13:18.45 | EtherNet | Ox0F0-0FF, is there an application to port it ? |
| 13:18.56 | petemc | i use mb2md |
| 13:18.59 | petemc | works well |
| 13:19.20 | EtherNet | mb2md I'll try it |
| 13:19.23 | Ox0F0-0FF | EtherNet, Well, you first have to know that you will have to change ALL your mbox for all your users |
| 13:19.26 | EtherNet | so it will convert the single file to what? |
| 13:19.35 | Ox0F0-0FF | aswell as your SMTP/IMAP/POP3 config... |
| 13:20.01 | Ox0F0-0FF | Ether_Man, nah, it will convert to a directory that has subdirectories where each file is a sole mail |
| 13:20.09 | BucWheat | Fox what are the steps to creating your own backport? |
| 13:20.15 | EtherNet | Ox0F0-0FF, ah.. I understand.. |
| 13:20.17 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's way more efficient for large mailboxes |
| 13:20.28 | EtherNet | but as petemc said before.. thunderbird should be able to import that file |
| 13:20.42 | Ox0F0-0FF | I use only that, i find the mbox format unadapted when it comes to IMAP |
| 13:20.52 | Ox0F0-0FF | Yesm it should |
| 13:20.54 | Ox0F0-0FF | try |
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| 13:24.39 | Faithful | I just bought a new WD SATAII 320GB Enterprise disk and it is running so hot you can't touch it... what do you think? |
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| 13:27.01 | EtherNet | Faithful, you should improve a sort of good refrigeration |
| 13:27.06 | EtherNet | inside the "case" |
| 13:28.08 | Faithful | I've got 10,000RPM scsi disks that run much cooler. |
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| 13:28.50 | mb_ | What should i look for if i want debian to email me when errors occur and i can see it in the logs? |
| 13:29.03 | LordCrimson | hello |
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| 13:34.12 | Firestarter | is there an atom time type package for debian |
| 13:34.56 | iwaterball | !dpkg webmin |
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| 13:35.27 | dareth | Morning people |
| 13:35.54 | dareth | Can anyone here explain reverse dns, and why a change in ISP would mess that up for Linux boxes? |
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| 13:42.50 | fireba11 | reverse DNS is from IP to name |
| 13:44.36 | streuner | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reverse_DNS_lookup |
| 13:45.05 | delire | anyone here know how i might reliably detect bittorrent traffic without using deep packet analysis? |
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| 13:46.01 | streuner | check the ports? |
| 13:46.29 | Fox | BucWheat: /msg dpkg ssb |
| 13:47.04 | delire | streuner: not as simple. bt traffic typically propagates across many different ports. |
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| 13:49.15 | streuner | there are some default ports for every app. ... |
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| 13:52.45 | diilbertAtWork | I am trying install a package from source and am getting a AM_GLIB_GNU_GETTEXT missing error, what package would this be related to ? |
| 13:53.04 | delire | streuner: thanks, i found #bittorrent and we're getting somewhere. it's a tricky business. |
| 13:53.19 | Ox0F0-0FF | diilbertAtWork, glib maybe ? |
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| 13:53.49 | diilbertAtWork | 0x0F0-0FF: Any idea what version I would need ? |
| 13:54.06 | Ox0F0-0FF | no. |
| 13:54.13 | diilbertAtWork | thanks anyway |
| 13:54.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | Sorry |
| 13:54.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | yw |
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| 13:56.15 | delire | diilbertAtWork: you might to check you have gettext support for your locale. perhaps try gettext[-base] |
| 13:56.24 | earthian | hello does anybody know where is the default location for incoming messages of mozilla-thunderbird?? |
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| 13:57.59 | earthian | ant irc.debian.org should be really merged here.... :S |
| 13:59.31 | Phated | Er, no. irc.debian.org got moved to oftc. It -used- to be here. |
| 14:00.10 | diilbertAtWork | delire: I have gettext-base 0.14.4-2 |
| 14:00.16 | earthian | Phated, ok |
| 14:00.49 | Phated | <shrug> from all accounts, the oftc #debian is far less crowded than here thought. |
| 14:00.52 | Phated | though* |
| 14:01.00 | earthian | hello does anybody know where is the default location for incoming messages of mozilla-thunderbird?? I have installed debian.. had ubuntu before and i want to put my old messages somehow to the current thunderbird |
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| 14:01.20 | Ronin | earthian: where were they kept in ubuntu? |
| 14:02.09 | earthian | dunno.. i believe the same place as debian |
| 14:02.24 | Ronin | then put your messages there? |
| 14:02.28 | diilbertAtWork | earthian: I am sure they are in you home directory in a hidden dir |
| 14:03.01 | earthian | diilbertAtWork, thanks will check... i hope it wont be in usr or var as i have deleted these dirs :S |
| 14:03.41 | earthian | hmm! somehow programs start very slowly :S |
| 14:03.41 | diilbertAtWork | It is .mozilla-thunderbird on my debian install |
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| 14:05.59 | black_13 | how hard is to to set up a dual boot system with debian sarge and xp? |
| 14:06.08 | earthian | hm.. how do i open a tree in nautilus? |
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| 14:08.12 | frex | there are only three possible values for timer frequency in menuconfig, is it possible to enter CONFIG_HZ=ownfrequeny in the .config file? |
| 14:08.35 | beardy | black_13: It's not. |
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| 14:12.27 | black_13 | beardy hows that no dual boot? how is it that i can do so with mandriva? |
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| 14:13.23 | Ronin | black_13: they mean its not that hard to d |
| 14:13.27 | berkes | does anyone here know a good resource/howto to test out a new kernel on a live system? I want to check wether the kernel is somehow sane, w/o rebooting the system. |
| 14:13.35 | black_13 | oh |
| 14:13.51 | berkes | my machine is running 200Km from here, so if it does not come back up, I am in trouble :) |
| 14:14.00 | black_13 | allow me to give a long duhhh. |
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| 14:16.18 | berkes | another one: does the vanilla Debian kernel come with support for quota? |
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| 14:16.50 | compudaze | The debian kernel supports quota. |
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| 14:17.07 | black_13 | Ronin how do i configure the the partions if i already have windows xp installed |
| 14:17.23 | Fox | berkes: grep QUOTA /boot/config-`uname -r` |
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| 14:18.21 | amphi | is there any way to search for packages which are not installed, that depend on a given package? |
| 14:19.09 | earthian | why programs are starting so slowly in my computer??? :( they sun excelently but start slowly.. i.e. it takes around 5 seconds for a gnome-terminal or nautilus tu start! i have a RAID0 SATA setup with dual opteron processors and over 1 gig of ram! :/ |
| 14:19.21 | earthian | can somebody tell me where to look for a possible problem? |
| 14:19.44 | berkes | Fox: weird. it returns Y and Y |
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| 14:20.02 | berkes | still, running quotaon resulted in a message that I have no support |
| 14:20.02 | Fox | amphi: apt-cache rdepends <package> |
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| 14:20.42 | amphi | Fox: thanks |
| 14:20.46 | berkes | Fox, message is "quotaon: Quota format not supported in kernel." |
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| 14:23.13 | Fox | berkes: never used quotas, did you google a bit with that error message ? |
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| 14:24.39 | berkes | Fox: yea, people suggest I load the modules quota_v1 and quota_v2 but those are not on my system |
| 14:25.09 | berkes | Fox, hence I am now looking to a) recompile the kernel with quota support OR b) compile the two modules |
| 14:25.26 | berkes | I prefer b, but am kinda lost when it comes to compiling my modules |
| 14:26.36 | Fox | berkes: ls /lib/modules/`uname -r`/kernel/fs/quota_* |
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| 14:28.14 | berkes | Fox emtpy :( |
| 14:28.32 | jelly | earthian: check for memory leaks, excessive I/O activity, or something else that hogs resources |
| 14:28.37 | Fox | :/ |
| 14:28.52 | Fox | have to go, hope someone else can help you |
| 14:28.54 | berkes | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:29.08 | berkes | is the closest I can find (sorry for the newline) |
| 14:29.22 | vezult | are there any gnome ftp clients in debian that support ftp+ssl? |
| 14:29.40 | vezult | the gnomevfs doesn't seem to. |
| 14:29.44 | cydork | berkes: that is not the stock debian right? |
| 14:30.02 | x_link | Hi... can somebody tell me how to burn .iso files with k3b ? |
| 14:30.04 | diilbertAtWork | vezult: Filezilla is pretty wild and it has ssl support |
| 14:30.23 | vezult | diilbertAtWork: sweet. I'll check that out. |
| 14:30.33 | x_link | Ahh now I saw it, Burn CD Image |
| 14:30.51 | Fox | vezult: tried gftp ? |
| 14:31.31 | vezult | fox: doesn't do ssl+ftp, as far as I can tell. the website claims it does though |
| 14:31.57 | diilbertAtWork | vezult: Check the docs you may be missing soemthing |
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| 14:32.38 | berkes | cydork: I don't think so, I am afraid. I was handed over this server. |
| 14:33.13 | berkes | And I am trying to get it so far that it fits my standard server as much as possible. |
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| 14:36.18 | berkes | cydork: I /do/ have the kernel headers for these two modules, but I /dont/ have a clue how to build a module frm them :) |
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| 14:36.38 | EtherNet | petemc, are you still therE_ |
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| 14:38.29 | petemc | EtherNet: kinda |
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| 14:38.55 | gentgeen__ | If I make a change to /etc/inetd.conf do I need to do anything to make the change take effect? |
| 14:38.57 | delire | are there any plans to see more modules supported via m-a? |
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| 14:39.20 | erore | I need a sw on my router that would be able to limit a bandwidth of a certail ip. Know sth? |
| 14:39.30 | vezult | diilbertAtWork: in the "protocols" dropdown box, it shows ftp, http, ssh2, fsp. I don't know if "fsp" == "ftps" or not, but when I try to use it, it just hangs. |
| 14:40.12 | vezult | diilbertAtWork: that and filezilla doesn't seem to be a debian package, or even a *nix program. |
| 14:42.45 | EtherNet | petemc, look I found that mbox files are in /var/mail/ and the file is the username.... but in /home/users directories,.... there are an INBOX file which it doesn't look as MBOX kind of file.. which format is it ? |
| 14:43.15 | berkes | what is the name of the apt package for the default kernel? |
| 14:43.34 | petemc | EtherNet: what does file /home/user/foo say? |
| 14:44.12 | vezult | berkes: linux-image-`uname -r` |
| 14:44.15 | EtherNet | /home/gcanosa/Inbox: MBX mail folder |
| 14:44.19 | berkes | veµ |
| 14:44.26 | berkes | vezult: thanks ;) |
| 14:44.27 | EtherNet | but.. when imap try to load it when checking mail it says it''s not mbox valid file |
| 14:44.47 | vezult | berkes: well, that kinda assumes that you're running the default kernel ;o) |
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| 14:45.19 | berkes | vezult: which I am not. But I want to go back to running that :) |
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| 14:45.32 | vezult | berkes: check /boot/ |
| 14:46.01 | vezult | berkes: there should be config-<kernel package name here> files for every kernel you've ever installed (assuming you've not purged them) |
| 14:46.09 | petemc | EtherNet: thats not a format im familiar with, try googling |
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| 14:46.51 | berkes | vezult: yup. still there. but there seems to be no apt package for that version ;( |
| 14:47.03 | berkes | 2.6.13.4 to be precise |
| 14:47.11 | vezult | vezult: and in sarge it's kernel-image-blahhblah, rather than linux-image-blahblah (that's etch) |
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| 14:47.31 | vezult | berkes: I'm just full of misinformation, aren't I? ;o) |
| 14:47.38 | berkes | vezult: NP. |
| 14:47.43 | ip-pot | can you get Etch or Sid as ISO? |
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| 14:48.06 | asdg | can you get Etch or Sid as ISO? |
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| 14:49.35 | Ronin | amphi: etch maybe but not sid |
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| 14:51.44 | berkes | vezult: do yo happen to know a way to test-run a kernel w/o reboot? |
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| 14:51.56 | rgsteele|away | berkes: Nope. Maybe a VM? |
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| 14:52.12 | Bhavesh | good morning/afternoon/evening/night |
| 14:52.36 | rgsteele | Bhavesh: Ahoy hoy |
| 14:52.40 | Bhavesh | how are you? |
| 14:52.41 | dpkg | Bhavesh: you know how it is... |
| 14:52.48 | vostorga | |
| 14:52.52 | nst | how can i inicialize debian automatically with kde? |
| 14:53.03 | berkes | rgsteele|awa, then I need to build a kernel that support vmachines first :p: |
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| 14:53.28 | rgsteele | berkes: I didn't say it was the answer you wanted. :) |
| 14:53.32 | atSquiGgs | hey guys, anyone here have two isp's? |
| 14:53.35 | vezult | berkes: using a VM is the only way. |
| 14:53.39 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: yes? |
| 14:53.45 | tarzeau | nst: #debian-kde ? |
| 14:53.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:53.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:54.15 | nst | tarzeau tks ;p |
| 14:54.19 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - do you have automatic fail over? Or can you use both of them at the same time? Like http traffic uses isp1 and email uses isp2? |
| 14:54.37 | rgsteele | I have to wonder... do people from England/Britain think it's weird when they see words like rumor and humor and behavior spelled without o's? |
| 14:54.51 | rgsteele | Er, u's even |
| 14:54.53 | vezult | berkes: no, you can use qemu |
| 14:54.54 | rgsteele | :) |
| 14:55.04 | Bhavesh | hmm some how it was not scrolling |
| 14:55.05 | rgsteele | I guess everyone would think it weird if they were spelled without o's, heh |
| 14:55.09 | berkes | vesult thanks |
| 14:55.32 | vezult | berkes: or bochs |
| 14:55.53 | zly | rgsteele: when i see color i think it looks wierd... and i'm not even british ;) |
| 14:56.16 | rgsteele | Heh. I just can't get used to seeing the u's in there |
| 14:56.24 | delire | rgsteele: because it's a pointless reduction of the original word, one that strips out information relating to the word's original pronunciation. |
| 14:56.29 | NuBus68k | rgsteele: curiously, I don't for most of them. Color looks odd, but honor, rumor, humor and behavior I'd just read over. Aluminum stands out as odd though, too |
| 14:56.31 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: the latter |
| 14:56.32 | NuBus68k | <- australian |
| 14:56.43 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - what do you use for your two isps? A debian box to do the routing or do you have another piece of hardware |
| 14:56.50 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: two computers? |
| 14:57.21 | rgsteele | I thought color and colour were pronounced the same? |
| 14:57.36 | atSquiGgs | well I see some routers that support dual isps with the ability to route traffic, but I would want to use a debian box to do this if I could |
| 14:57.39 | rgsteele | Oh, you meant the word it was derived from |
| 14:57.48 | Ronin | rgsteele: same way that tomato and tomato are pronounced differently :) |
| 14:58.01 | atSquiGgs | so you route certian traffic over certian isps? do you have one box with like three ethernet cards? |
| 14:58.25 | zly | Ronin: and again, same way as route and route are pronounced ;) |
| 14:58.26 | atSquiGgs | sorry if I'm asking too many questions, not many people i've talked to do this so I'm trying to get a better understanding |
| 14:58.31 | rgsteele | Hehe. I was just curious... not that it has anything to do with Debian ^^ |
| 14:58.34 | Ronin | zly: exactly |
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| 14:59.08 | delire | rgsteele: while American English has added many words to the English language, it has only reduced its linguistic richness, as popularly used. |
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| 14:59.24 | GooE | http://img2.tapuz.co.il/forumsApps/resize.asp?image=1_88692966.jpg&width=1000 |
| 15:00.00 | delire | rgsteele: anyway, English is itself a mess 1/4 Roman, 1/4 Danish/Northern Germanic Tribe, 1/4 Celtic, 1/4 Shakespeare. |
| 15:00.21 | rgsteele | delire: Interesting |
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| 15:01.18 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - can you give me the details of your setup? Are you using iptables? a machine for each isp? |
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| 15:02.05 | delire | rgsteele: yep, an interesting mess to say the least ;) |
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| 15:03.36 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: how many computers do you have ? and are both connections of the same size both ways? |
| 15:03.51 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: odd ips go over one, even over the other |
| 15:04.18 | rgsteele | Is there an easy way to tell which network interfaces are actually up at any given time? |
| 15:04.26 | petemc | ifconfig |
| 15:04.30 | rgsteele | Ah, yeah |
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| 15:04.41 | rgsteele | Man, it still feels early |
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| 15:05.02 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - I have plenty of computers so if I need to have a computer hooked up to each isp that is fine. I don't want to do what your doing with odd/even. I would like if its port 80 or 443 use isp1, if its 25,110,143 use isp2. Is that possible? With linux that is. |
| 15:05.09 | delire | rgsteele: FYI here is a conservative list of the words invented by Shakespeare, among then words like 'bump', 'priceless', 'tranquil', 'silliness', 'weird': http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_English_words_invented_by_Shakespeare |
| 15:06.40 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: do you have popularity-contest installed on the plenty computers? |
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| 15:07.17 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - no, what the hell is that? |
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| 15:08.01 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: http://popcon.debian.org/ |
| 15:08.24 | atSquiGgs | ok, but that doesn't help me get dual isps working |
| 15:08.32 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: that's right, yes |
| 15:08.53 | atSquiGgs | so you just wasted my time? Thanks |
| 15:09.04 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: no i didn't waste your time |
| 15:09.43 | atSquiGgs | well I didn't get any closer to getting dual isps working |
| 15:09.55 | ip-pot | what do you think of the idea to download an ISO of latest testing and install, rather than to download stable, and dist-upgrade to testing? |
| 15:10.05 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: do you know how to use iptables? |
| 15:10.17 | tarzeau | ip-pot: bad idea |
| 15:10.20 | atSquiGgs | yes |
| 15:10.36 | compudaze | What's wrong with testing? |
| 15:10.39 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: where is the problem configuring what you want? |
| 15:10.45 | tarzeau | compudaze: nothing |
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| 15:10.55 | cydork | ip-pot: that's sane.. |
| 15:10.56 | tarzeau | compudaze: but you can't just install it, well these days you can |
| 15:11.09 | tarzeau | compudaze: but the really right way valid for always is to install stable then upgrade |
| 15:11.09 | ip-pot | tarzeau: howcome? |
| 15:11.11 | atSquiGgs | because I can't get it working just using iptables |
| 15:11.18 | tarzeau | ip-pot: try reading !sid faq |
| 15:11.19 | atSquiGgs | I have one firewall that has three ethernet cards |
| 15:11.28 | ip-pot | !sid faq |
| 15:11.28 | dpkg | i heard sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 15:11.30 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: can you put all your configuration files online? |
| 15:11.40 | compudaze | ip-pot, I would download the netinst ISO image to install testing, that way you only download what you need when installing and not the whole ISO. |
| 15:11.49 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - no |
| 15:11.59 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: why not? |
| 15:12.17 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - because I'm not going to post my firewall settings |
| 15:12.21 | tarzeau | compudaze: that's fine |
| 15:12.28 | atSquiGgs | I looked at this: |
| 15:12.28 | atSquiGgs | http://www.samag.com/documents/s=1824/sam0201h/0201h.htm |
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| 15:12.39 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: how do you think, anyone can help fixing some entries if you can't tell what you have? |
| 15:12.56 | ip-pot | downloading an iso, even dvd iso isn't a problem |
| 15:12.56 | Ronin | tarzeau: crystal ball |
| 15:13.02 | atSquiGgs | I don't think you can use dual isps with the stock kernel |
| 15:13.09 | tarzeau | Ronin: mind reading costs extra |
| 15:13.33 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: you're just thinking, not knowing |
| 15:13.55 | atSquiGgs | well that is what i read |
| 15:14.10 | atSquiGgs | I need to be able to support dual routes in order to have that work |
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| 15:14.49 | Miesco | How can I troublshoot why my smtp server is not working |
| 15:14.57 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: you can build your own kernel, no? |
| 15:14.58 | Miesco | Is there logs for postfix? |
| 15:14.59 | atSquiGgs | miesco - telnet insto it |
| 15:15.06 | tarzeau | Miesco: yes there is, see /var/log |
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| 15:15.20 | tarzeau | Miesco: or run a sniffer on tcp/25 |
| 15:16.26 | atSquiGgs | tarzeau - yeah I can, but I haven't found any good documentation on how to do it |
| 15:16.39 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: !make-kpkg |
| 15:16.55 | atSquiGgs | no, I know how to make a kernel, I mean get dual isps working! :) |
| 15:17.04 | ip-pot | which kernel version is testing currently running anyone? |
| 15:17.07 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: the url you posted was good, wasn't it? |
| 15:17.15 | tarzeau | atSquiGgs: did you enable all that it asked you for? |
| 15:17.28 | Miesco | tarzeau: What would I use for tcpdump to get readable output from postfix? |
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| 15:17.39 | bintut | hello all.. |
| 15:17.44 | tarzeau | Miesco: i'd use ngrep port 25 |
| 15:17.55 | atSquiGgs | miesco - add -vvv to the end of your smtp line in /etc/postfix/master.cf |
| 15:18.02 | bintut | what is the right debian arch for a xeon processor? |
| 15:18.05 | atSquiGgs | then mail.log will tell you a ton |
| 15:18.12 | Miesco | K |
| 15:19.01 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: smtp line or smtpd line? |
| 15:19.19 | atSquiGgs | smtp |
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| 15:19.32 | atSquiGgs | whats happening? |
| 15:20.20 | delire | finally someone got a refund: http://www.networkworld.com/news/2006/110706-dell-windows.html |
| 15:20.37 | Miesco | Starting mail transport agent: Postfixpostsuper: warning: My hostname debian is not a fully qualified name - set myhostname or mydomain in /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 15:20.43 | delire | or i should say one without waiting years and fighting monsters. |
| 15:21.23 | atSquiGgs | what do you have set in /etc/postfix/main.cf? |
| 15:21.40 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Nothing that is set to debian, although debian is in /etc/hostname |
| 15:22.17 | atSquiGgs | so set it in your /etc/postfix/main.cf |
| 15:22.31 | atSquiGgs | mydomain=whatever.youwant.com |
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| 15:23.37 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Okay im not getting that warning anymore but im still not getting the greeting banner |
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| 15:24.13 | atSquiGgs | smtpd_banner = $myhostname ESMTP $mail_name (Debian/GNU) |
| 15:24.19 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: There is not error in mail.log, just I get n no input from server |
| 15:24.21 | atSquiGgs | or change it to whatever you want |
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| 15:24.24 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: I have that set |
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| 15:24.43 | atSquiGgs | then something else is wrong, did you look in /var/log/mail.log? |
| 15:24.54 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Yes, no error messages |
| 15:24.56 | Miesco | dmesg |
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| 15:24.58 | Miesco | sorry |
| 15:25.09 | Miesco | ment to type in other rxvt :) |
| 15:25.15 | earthian | is there any software that would tune up optimize etc disk drive performance? i.e. defragment files on it and so on ?? |
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| 15:25.44 | atSquiGgs | earthian - whats your output for hdparm /dev/hda, or whatever your hard drive is |
| 15:26.05 | d0uglas | earthian: consider your filesystem choice, use stuff like smart if your setup has it... badblocks once in a while |
| 15:26.07 | atSquiGgs | miesco - hmm, what do you get when you do netstat -an | grep 25 |
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| 15:26.10 | quiet | earthian, linux filesystems don't fragment in the way you're used to with Windows... read up on tune2fs and hdparm |
| 15:26.15 | d0uglas | an fsck job here and there doesn't hurt |
| 15:26.39 | earthian | atSquiGgs, i dont have that hdparm |
| 15:27.05 | quiet | aptitude install hdparm |
| 15:27.09 | atSquiGgs | apt-get install hdparm |
| 15:27.18 | d0uglas | yeah one downside with linux is below-average defragmenting fun |
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| 15:27.30 | d0uglas | there's not even a simulator that I know of |
| 15:27.56 | Miesco | tcp6 0 0 *:smtp *:* LISTEN |
| 15:28.04 | ip-pot | any .se people? |
| 15:28.09 | Miesco | tcp6 :/ |
| 15:28.24 | earthian | /dev/mapper/via_ibaefechf: |
| 15:28.24 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.24 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.24 | earthian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:28.33 | ip-pot | looking for a testing sources.list example for .se |
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| 15:28.51 | earthian | ups |
| 15:28.53 | earthian | :) |
| 15:28.55 | earthian | sorry |
| 15:29.21 | atSquiGgs | miesco - you are using ipv6? |
| 15:29.29 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: What do you mean? |
| 15:29.33 | atSquiGgs | earthian - are these serial ata drives? |
| 15:29.44 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: How do I check |
| 15:29.46 | earthian | atSquiGgs, i have serial ata raid0 |
| 15:29.47 | atSquiGgs | miesco - give me your smtp line in master.cf |
| 15:30.01 | earthian | a fake/software one |
| 15:30.03 | atSquiGgs | earthian - oh, hdparm won't do anything then :) |
| 15:30.09 | earthian | :/ |
| 15:30.17 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: smtp unix - - - - - smtp -vvv |
| 15:30.20 | atSquiGgs | earthian - do you think your machine is slow? |
| 15:30.33 | earthian | atSquiGgs, very |
| 15:30.48 | rgsteele | Man, #politics is really a hoot today :) |
| 15:30.49 | atSquiGgs | make it |
| 15:30.49 | atSquiGgs | smtp inet n - - - - smtpd |
| 15:30.56 | earthian | its like it would read/write to swap a lot... but swap usage is 0 |
| 15:31.09 | atSquiGgs | earthian - do this, cat /proc/mdstat, is it rebuilding? |
| 15:31.15 | disposable | is it normal that in a directory tree i exported thru NFS, soft links and mountpoints don't work? (they don't work only on the remote machine) |
| 15:31.24 | earthian | it is not md array |
| 15:31.28 | earthian | i am using dmraid |
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| 15:31.37 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Nope :/ |
| 15:31.42 | atSquiGgs | never used that |
| 15:31.49 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Wait smtpd? |
| 15:31.55 | atSquiGgs | miesco - hmmm, is this s public server that I can telnet into? |
| 15:32.13 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Sorry ISP dont allow that |
| 15:32.17 | atSquiGgs | miesco - the line begins with smtp, but ends with smtpd |
| 15:32.35 | kupesoft | When is new Debian version does come? |
| 15:32.35 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: K, I was using a line that starts and ends with smtp |
| 15:32.42 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: smtp inet n - - - - smtpd |
| 15:32.49 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Thats what was there by default |
| 15:33.02 | atSquiGgs | ok, did you add -vvv to the end of that line? |
| 15:33.16 | earthian | atSquiGgs, there is no /proc/mdstat nor dmstat or dm*whatever |
| 15:33.17 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Just did |
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| 15:33.51 | psycodad | what is the difference between linux-source-2.6.17 and linux-tree-2.6.17 in debian etch ? |
| 15:33.53 | atSquiGgs | earthian - run top, is something taking up a lot of your processor? |
| 15:33.59 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Still nothing in mail.log |
| 15:34.15 | atSquiGgs | miesco - you are running /etc/init.d/postfix reload right? |
| 15:34.21 | Miesco | restart |
| 15:34.29 | atSquiGgs | ok that should work too |
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| 15:35.44 | d0uglas | wow using this Domestic Manners font with bitchx is surreal after years of the console |
| 15:35.55 | sandman | Aside from xcdroast and k3b, are there any other good cd-burning programs out there? |
| 15:36.10 | atSquiGgs | cdrtools :) |
| 15:36.24 | airone | howto enable full-duplex on old rtl8029? mii-tool does not support that card |
| 15:36.29 | d0uglas | sandman: arson |
| 15:36.33 | earthian | atSquiGgs, CPU usage does not get over 60% |
| 15:36.39 | atSquiGgs | hmmm |
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| 15:36.42 | d0uglas | sandman: why don't you like k3b, yo? |
| 15:37.08 | sandman | d0uglas: I was just curious to see alternatives |
| 15:37.30 | d0uglas | valid reason |
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| 15:38.47 | d0uglas | apt-get/aptitude update ends with Couldn't stat source package list, telling me to do it again, same error, ... i'm in a recursive loop, help |
| 15:38.55 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Im doing: tcpdump -vv tcp port 25 |
| 15:39.01 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: I am getting nothing when I connect |
| 15:39.19 | atSquiGgs | miesco - have you tried telnet localhost 25 |
| 15:39.25 | sandman | Whoa... I just ran across hercules.. this could be a very useful thing |
| 15:39.30 | KristianLy | d0uglas: it's probably saying something else too... |
| 15:39.34 | atSquiGgs | did you check syslog and debug? |
| 15:39.54 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Thats what i've been doing |
| 15:40.20 | d0uglas | KristianLy: not bad Detective Monk, let me fire up some copy/pastin' action |
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| 15:40.21 | d0uglas | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.debian.org_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) |
| 15:40.26 | atSquiGgs | miesco - ok |
| 15:40.38 | d0uglas | .... W You may want to yada yada |
| 15:40.48 | atSquiGgs | miesco - have you tried reinstalling postfix? apt-get --purge remove postfix && apt-get install postfix |
| 15:41.03 | d0uglas | atSquiGgs: why && when you can ;? |
| 15:41.11 | d0uglas | no spaces needed too |
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| 15:41.27 | KristianLy | d0uglas: how about further up |
| 15:41.37 | KristianLy | d0uglas: and with && you won |
| 15:41.43 | KristianLy | you won't reinstall it if the uninstall failed |
| 15:42.09 | d0uglas | scrollin' up, just a sec |
| 15:42.15 | atSquiGgs | douglas - because, I can do it that way. Its like cp -a or cp -r |
| 15:42.39 | black_13 | finally i have dual boot system |
| 15:43.34 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: I think I earlier, let me try again |
| 15:43.54 | d0uglas | atSquiGgs: i hear ya, i do ls -lahS *|grep total when i'm sure there's something shorter to find out how much space a dir's taking |
| 15:44.15 | atSquiGgs | du --max-depth=1 -lh |
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| 15:44.19 | sandman | Could anyone recommend a good backup tool? |
| 15:44.26 | atSquiGgs | bacula - it rules! |
| 15:44.27 | quiet | bacula |
| 15:44.30 | sandman | d0uglas: I'm installing k3b as we speak :) |
| 15:44.30 | atSquiGgs | lol :) |
| 15:44.59 | g3brown | sandman: I'm setting up BackupPC right now. It great for backing up multiple clients on a network. |
| 15:45.02 | d0uglas | KristianLy: woah hey now, bingo: Err http://ftp.debian.org sid/main Packages |
| 15:45.02 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:45.07 | atSquiGgs | douglas - I like your command better! |
| 15:45.11 | d0uglas | damn too much pron |
| 15:45.19 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Gerneral type of configuration, Internet Site? |
| 15:45.23 | d0uglas | should have used a separate root partition too |
| 15:45.28 | d0uglas | all right, rm time |
| 15:45.28 | KristianLy | d0uglas: imagine what reading the error messages can solve... |
| 15:45.30 | KristianLy | ;) |
| 15:45.34 | atSquiGgs | internet site, I guess. What are you trying to do? |
| 15:45.45 | d0uglas | hey cut me some slack that error was tucked away |
| 15:46.09 | g3brown | sandman: My other fav (much simplier setup) is plbackitup, you can find it on freshmeat |
| 15:46.11 | d0uglas | this is always so tough, deciding which pron to say goodbye to :( |
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| 15:46.37 | quiet | the pedophile stuff is probably a good choice. |
| 15:46.46 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.46 | d0uglas | quiet: bingo |
| 15:46.48 | quiet | anything else that may be illegal. |
| 15:46.50 | quiet | lol |
| 15:47.05 | d0uglas | anything else? That doesn't narrow it down! why don't you just say * |
| 15:47.14 | airone | my card is actually a ne2k-pci compatible |
| 15:47.21 | quiet | rm -rf /pr0n |
| 15:47.26 | airone | that was pretty common some years ago |
| 15:47.38 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: I reinstalled and it still does not work |
| 15:47.52 | quiet | d0uglas, how big is the drive? |
| 15:47.56 | atSquiGgs | did you screw with anything? Are you sure everything was removed? You used --purge? |
| 15:47.59 | quiet | er, partition. |
| 15:48.05 | earthian | be very very cautious using rm ... a friend of mine did rm -rf / <-- forgot a dot before / :D |
| 15:48.12 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Yea I used purge |
| 15:48.14 | quiet | giggle. |
| 15:48.26 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: You ever used BackupPC? |
| 15:48.41 | atSquiGgs | after you did that command, did you look to see if /etc/postfix was gone? |
| 15:48.54 | quiet | earthian, it's more funny to alias ls='chmod -R 000 /' |
| 15:48.57 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: No |
| 15:49.01 | amphi | earthian: removing $PWD is somewhat eccentric in any case |
| 15:49.09 | atSquiGgs | g3brown - I know I looked at it, but I wanted something that handled windows clients also. Does backupPC do that? |
| 15:49.13 | m0rra | lol quiet |
| 15:49.14 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: You told me to do && instal postfix |
| 15:49.24 | earthian | :/ |
| 15:49.24 | quiet | XD |
| 15:49.29 | atSquiGgs | miesco - I know, I'm sorry, do this now |
| 15:49.43 | atSquiGgs | apt-get --purge remove postfix; ls -l /etc/postfix |
| 15:49.45 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: yeah. Can use smb. I liked the rsyncd option better. Less messy for shares |
| 15:50.04 | atSquiGgs | make sure nothing is there, if there is remove that foldre, then apt-get install postfix and pick internet site. What are you trying to setup? |
| 15:50.04 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Its gone |
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| 15:50.19 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: I haven't used Bacula. I like the web interface to BackupPC |
| 15:50.23 | atSquiGgs | miesco - are you using sarge? |
| 15:50.28 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Yes |
| 15:50.55 | atSquiGgs | g3brown - that is cool |
| 15:50.58 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Maybe its one of my system configurations like /etc/hostname or something |
| 15:51.01 | d0uglas | quiet: 40 gigs |
| 15:51.04 | d0uglas | laptop |
| 15:51.11 | atSquiGgs | miesco - maybe, what is your hostname? |
| 15:51.11 | quiet | hrm... if i need to build a new, simple server this week, I might as well just use etch, yeah? It's just for a few local intranet domains. |
| 15:51.11 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Should I try a sniffer? |
| 15:51.15 | quiet | d0uglas, IPOD! |
| 15:51.16 | quiet | :D |
| 15:51.24 | atSquiGgs | miesco - no the logs should be telling you something |
| 15:51.31 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: debian |
| 15:51.36 | atSquiGgs | you arn't getting the greeting so something is wrong |
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| 15:51.44 | g3brown | With BackupPC it stores all the data at /var/lib/backuppc. I want to put all that on another drive. I know I could mount the drive there, but if I wanted to just link that to another drive would I use ln -s ? |
| 15:51.47 | atSquiGgs | miesco - what do you get when you do hostname -f |
| 15:52.05 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: debian |
| 15:52.28 | atSquiGgs | g3brown - yeah ln -s /mnt/newdriver /var/lib/backuppc |
| 15:52.29 | d0uglas | quiet: nice call! i got a few of those lying around |
| 15:52.40 | atSquiGgs | move the /var/lib/backuppc directory first |
| 15:52.54 | quiet | d0uglas, can't beat pron-on-the-go! |
| 15:53.04 | atSquiGgs | micesco, set it to dibian.localhost |
| 15:53.07 | sandman | Would it be better to just run k3b as root, or to set it up to be used by a non-root user? |
| 15:53.11 | d0uglas | the 60 gigger alone could handle most of my bukkake vids |
| 15:53.19 | quiet | TEEHEE! |
| 15:53.24 | blondie | d0uglas: gross |
| 15:53.27 | Miesco | atSquiGgs: Thats not in my /etc/hosts |
| 15:53.28 | d0uglas | sandman: i like running it as root, but i'm irresponsible |
| 15:53.31 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: ln -s /var/lib/backuppc /mnt/2nddrive ? |
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| 15:53.41 | earthian | if i do alias tf=gksu /usr/sbin/somescript.sh would togglefan stay forever as an alias of that script |
| 15:53.42 | d0uglas | blondie: if you know what it is, .. |
| 15:53.45 | d0uglas | sorry. |
| 15:53.46 | atSquiGgs | g3brown - isn't that backwards? |
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| 15:53.47 | darsie | Hi! I want to remove nolisten tcp but editing /etc/kde3/kdm/Xservers has no effect. What can I do? |
| 15:53.55 | d0uglas | that crossed the line |
| 15:54.13 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: I don't know |
| 15:54.24 | atSquiGgs | yeah it is, you want ln -s /mnt/2nddrive /var/lib/backuppc |
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| 15:54.54 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: not the case, but I'm curious. What if files were already in /var/lib/backuppc |
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| 15:55.36 | atSquiGgs | thats why I said you need to move that directory first. like mv /var/lib/backuppc /var/lib/backuppc2 |
| 15:55.53 | atSquiGgs | then link it, then copy the files back into, cp -ap /var/lib/backuppc2 /var/lib/backuppc |
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| 15:57.10 | Feax | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:57.13 | Feax | ups |
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| 15:58.02 | Mooi | is there any software available for teaching the user to learn german? |
| 15:58.04 | g3brown | atSquiGgs: yeah, I sort of guessed that what you supposed to do. I'm asking what if one didn't. What happens to the files that are already there. |
| 15:58.48 | diilbertAtWork | Mooi: I think google will help you find that answer :p |
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| 15:59.16 | Mooi | :) |
| 15:59.42 | atSquiGgs | I think the files would still be there, it would just bark at you about too many levels of symbolic links |
| 16:00.07 | Mooi | diilbertAtWork: what should I search? |
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| 16:01.44 | atSquiGgs | well I got to go |
| 16:01.45 | atSquiGgs | later guys |
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| 16:01.52 | quiet | o/ |
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| 16:02.53 | Mooi | is there any software available to learn german? |
| 16:03.02 | Feax | how can i install a file .cpkg ? |
| 16:03.12 | kittonian | morning all. I have an extra hard drive that was installed in this server when it was built but it was never used for anything. Is there a way that I can reformat it and directly copy the entire main drive so that I can switch the drives out (the main drive needs to be formatted since there have been quite a few power outages lately) |
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| 16:03.45 | earthian | hmm... ubuntu edgy gdm.conf is 10 times bigger than debian etch :S |
| 16:04.09 | earthian | and i get error by shutting down my debian or logging out |
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| 16:04.37 | tapas | hi, how do i link to the qt4-debug libs? |
| 16:04.39 | dendrite | kittonian: Yes, you can. Only tricky part is verifying it's bootable. |
| 16:04.57 | diilbertAtWork | Mooi: "German Lanuage education linux" |
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| 16:05.01 | diilbertAtWork | Something like that. |
| 16:05.12 | diilbertAtWork | YOu would have to tweak the query based on your results |
| 16:05.20 | Braindead | Feax: .cpkg is a Cedega package. if you have it you must also have paid for support,so ask the fine Cedega guys. |
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| 16:05.31 | diilbertAtWork | I know what you mean thought.... what would you query :p |
| 16:05.50 | dendrite | kittonian: Please keep it in the channel... |
| 16:06.00 | kittonian | dendrite: have you done this before? |
| 16:06.01 | Mooi | diilbertAtWork: yeah, you should consider that i already searched |
| 16:06.09 | Mooi | that's why i came here to ask |
| 16:06.10 | dendrite | kittonian: use fdisk to partition the new drive similarly to the old one. Use appropriate mkfs tools to create file systems. |
| 16:06.11 | diilbertAtWork | Mooi: True |
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| 16:06.39 | Mooi | as far, i couldnt find anything related :( |
| 16:06.41 | dendrite | kittonian: Moving systems across spindles is a fairly common admin chore. I'm sure I've done similar. |
| 16:06.52 | Feax | Braindead, yes I paid :D |
| 16:07.31 | Braindead | Feax: so ask them. |
| 16:07.43 | Feax | okay Braindead |
| 16:07.53 | dendrite | kittonian: You *might* want to do a fresh install, and only move over data, if as you suggest the old disk has been banged around -- you don't want to copy over corruption. |
| 16:08.11 | dendrite | kittonian: I would probably treat this as a test of your disaster recovery plan. |
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| 16:11.41 | [Jasper] | hello, I got access to a friends box, he installed free-java-sdk , is this the best option for running java jdk 1.5 ? |
| 16:13.39 | [Jasper] | anybody here? |
| 16:13.48 | Ronin | nope |
| 16:13.50 | SlayerXP | [Jasper]: no |
| 16:14.18 | [-NoX-] | [Jasper]> no |
| 16:14.32 | [Jasper] | glad to see someone is still alive in here |
| 16:14.47 | Ronin | is one really alive on irc? |
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| 16:15.22 | [Jasper] | well....could anybody maybe give me some insight on my question |
| 16:15.23 | Hoxzer | We dont have life we have nolife :( |
| 16:15.28 | [Jasper] | I'm not very used to debian and packages |
| 16:15.31 | [Jasper] | since it's not my box |
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| 16:18.44 | [Jasper] | guess there's no-one here with any knowledge about java + debian ? |
| 16:18.46 | Braindead | [Jasper]: that is the free implementation. sun-java5-jdk for the priopetary one |
| 16:18.53 | [Jasper] | ah k |
| 16:19.08 | [Jasper] | because it says I have SableVM version 1.11.3 |
| 16:19.15 | [Jasper] | how can I get rid of that? |
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| 16:19.43 | bintut | anyone here can tell me what's the right debian arch for this machine? ==> http://tinyurl.com/y3moka |
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| 16:20.16 | [Jasper] | hmm Braindead why can't I just use the sun one? |
| 16:20.16 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: apt-get remove ? |
| 16:20.24 | [Jasper] | that's what I tried diilbertAtWork |
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| 16:20.33 | [Jasper] | but it still responds to my java --version |
| 16:20.43 | [Jasper] | I did a apt-get remove free-java-sdk |
| 16:20.58 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: apt-get --purge remove ? |
| 16:21.19 | [Jasper] | ewos-2:~# apt-get --purge remove free-java-sdk |
| 16:21.19 | [Jasper] | Reading Package Lists... Done |
| 16:21.19 | [Jasper] | Building Dependency Tree... Done |
| 16:21.19 | [Jasper] | Package free-java-sdk is not installed, so not removed |
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| 16:21.26 | [Jasper] | sorry |
| 16:21.31 | Braindead | free-java-sdk is a metapackage. this is what you get when you don't use aptitude ;) |
| 16:21.40 | Braindead | !aptitude |
| 16:21.41 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'girls: Bug# 299009 |
| 16:22.14 | secher | Quick question. I just connected my laptop to my dual input monitor. I have a Dell 5100. I hit the function button and the key for external monitor, and nothing happened. Do I need some bit of software to enable this functionality? I'd thought it was in the bios, but apparently not. |
| 16:22.23 | diilbertAtWork | Braindead: command line tools are still really useful if you know what you are doing |
| 16:22.28 | [Jasper] | hmm k, but Braindead how can I get rid of that java version now? |
| 16:22.49 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: I have reinstalled then uninstall with apt-get --purge remove |
| 16:22.56 | diilbertAtWork | That is what I would do |
| 16:23.22 | Braindead | diilbertAtWork: it's not a matter of knowing what to do. aptitude install $metapackage && aptitude purge $metapackage. then do the same with apt-get and notice the difference.... |
| 16:23.32 | cahoot | secher: you have a Section monitor for the new monitor (in your x config)? |
| 16:23.33 | Braindead | [Jasper]: you have to remove the metapackage dependencies |
| 16:23.34 | [Jasper] | debian.... |
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| 16:23.47 | secher | cahoot: Danke. |
| 16:24.00 | Braindead | Depends: jikes-sablevm, fastjar, sablevm, classpath-tools |
| 16:24.01 | diilbertAtWork | Doesn't it usually remove the dependencies w/ the --purge flag ? |
| 16:24.07 | Braindead | diilbertAtWork: not at all |
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| 16:24.14 | [Jasper] | how can I remove it then with dependencies Braindead ? |
| 16:24.19 | suporte | exit |
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| 16:24.26 | diilbertAtWork | I thought it did from experience... maybe I am msitakenb |
| 16:24.27 | secher | cahoot: I haven't checked, actually, it's running off of the same card at the same time, it's a laptop. |
| 16:24.28 | Braindead | diilbertAtWork: really read the man to clear out what "purge" means |
| 16:24.31 | Tuttle_ | Is it safe to run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server while mysqld is running and stuffed with data? I just want to recreate debian-sys-maint user. |
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| 16:24.36 | Braindead | [Jasper]: uninstall them. |
| 16:24.44 | [Jasper] | all seperately? |
| 16:24.49 | diilbertAtWork | Braindead: Will do |
| 16:25.04 | Braindead | [Jasper]: apt-get remove a b c d |
| 16:25.15 | Braindead | and tell your friend to start using aptitude ;) |
| 16:25.25 | diilbertAtWork | or synaptic |
| 16:25.44 | Braindead | and also tell him not to give root to someone who clearly knows less than him.... |
| 16:25.50 | diilbertAtWork | I know I had a pain getting the Sun Java stuff installed |
| 16:25.59 | [Jasper] | Braindead ...I used debian like 4 years ago...I went to gentoo |
| 16:26.00 | diilbertAtWork | lol BRaindead |
| 16:26.02 | cahoot | secher: I wonder if you get one 'automagically' if you reconfigure x with the external monitor plugged in |
| 16:26.19 | diilbertAtWork | People forget things and they change :p |
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| 16:26.40 | [Jasper] | good java = gone |
| 16:26.50 | Braindead | [Jasper]: considering there's NO dependency check in gentoo when you remove packages at least you have a parachute to ease your fall. (ricer) |
| 16:26.53 | [Jasper] | now the sun java version you have to pay fore? |
| 16:27.24 | earthian | how do i query dpkg for a package? |
| 16:27.34 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: NO.. it is in the non-free |
| 16:27.47 | [Jasper] | yeah Braindead but I like the more uptodate stuff |
| 16:27.51 | diilbertAtWork | You can install |
| 16:27.58 | [Jasper] | but? |
| 16:28.31 | Braindead | [Jasper]: Debian isn't only stable. there also is testing and unstable |
| 16:28.34 | h3sp4wn | [Jasper]: use java-package then |
| 16:28.34 | [Jasper] | I know |
| 16:28.39 | [Jasper] | I used woody back then |
| 16:28.44 | [Jasper] | but I guess that's quite old now? |
| 16:28.56 | Braindead | it's oldstable since almost 2 years |
| 16:29.06 | diilbertAtWork | I don't think java-package is jdk 5 |
| 16:29.08 | [Jasper] | yeah back then it was testing I think |
| 16:29.19 | Braindead | !tell [Jasper] about java |
| 16:29.23 | earthian | omg! no! it is intolerable!! application startup speed is sooooo slooowwww!!! :( |
| 16:29.27 | Braindead | !tell [Jasper] about install java |
| 16:29.31 | earthian | what could do that? |
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| 16:30.55 | Ronin | earthian: your vagueness could |
| 16:31.01 | [Jasper] | hmm Braindead I use blackdown on my gentoo box |
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| 16:31.08 | [Jasper] | but I see blackdown is only 1.3 ? |
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| 16:31.22 | frafra | hi all |
| 16:31.54 | CharminTheMoose | I'm thinking starting up a Linux news online ezine called Linux NewsRekindled,after the original Linux news ezine back in 1992/1993 by Lars and Denise tree that was dropped because of lack of time.What does everyone think of this idea? |
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| 16:32.48 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: help DWN |
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| 16:33.16 | ma3x | when I boot, I get something lp0 (interrupt driven) and it's stuck there for about 2 mins. how do I fix that? |
| 16:33.18 | quiet | do any admin's in here... [Baby24] is a spammer.... |
| 16:33.28 | quiet | i justgot spammed for 'free porno vids' |
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| 16:33.46 | [Jasper] | hmm isn't there a newer blackdown version then 1.3 for dfebian Braindead ? |
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| 16:33.52 | ma3x | quiet: I didn't |
| 16:34.17 | CharminTheMoose | cydork:what do you mean? |
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| 16:34.26 | quiet | well as soon as i joined i got PMed with this: "<[Baby24]> http://www.videoturk.tr.gs Free Porno Videos" |
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| 16:34.45 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: Do what I do on Debian when I need a newer package, download the source and compile it :p |
| 16:34.47 | Ronin | quiet: use !ops |
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| 16:35.11 | quiet | !ops |
| 16:35.11 | dpkg | Please invoke '!ops $problem' to call the ops to deal with a specific problem |
| 16:35.11 | cydork | CharminTheMoose: i mean help http://www.us.debian.org/News/weekly/contributing |
| 16:35.18 | [Jasper] | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:35.18 | [Jasper] | E: Broken packages |
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| 16:35.24 | [Jasper] | good times |
| 16:35.27 | quiet | heh. |
| 16:35.53 | quiet | !ops [Baby24] is a spam bot. |
| 16:35.53 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: quiet complains about: [Baby24] is a spam bot. |
| 16:35.55 | [Jasper] | so how do I fix that then? |
| 16:35.57 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: apt-get update ? |
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| 16:36.26 | [Jasper] | I did the update diilbertAtWork |
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| 16:36.34 | [Jasper] | but still it says broken package |
| 16:36.39 | ma3x | when I boot, I get something lp0 (interrupt driven) and it's stuck there for about 2 mins. how do I fix that? |
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| 16:36.53 | quiet | thanks peterS |
| 16:37.09 | peterS | np, those #redhat #debian spambots are annoying |
| 16:37.19 | quiet | aggreed. |
| 16:37.28 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: I noticed sometimes if I have stable and unstable marking in my sources file they cause problems... make sure you only have one or the other |
| 16:37.39 | ma3x | Nov 7 17:59:15 ma3x kernel: parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. |
| 16:37.39 | ma3x | Nov 7 17:59:15 ma3x kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, dma 0 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP,DMA] |
| 16:37.39 | ma3x | Nov 7 17:59:15 ma3x kernel: lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). |
| 16:37.43 | ma3x | my pc stalls there |
| 16:37.45 | ma3x | why? |
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| 16:38.00 | [Jasper] | hmm sources.list |
| 16:38.13 | diilbertAtWork | Or anything from backports |
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| 16:39.09 | ma3x | can anyone answer my question? |
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| 16:39.30 | Cybodog_ | Morining (for me); how do you set up a dhcp client to send the hostname to a router that handles the request so that the hostname shows up in the router table? |
| 16:39.41 | earthian | hello again, i have installed skype i386 deb using dpkg -i --force-architecture, however it tells me that libqt3-mt is not found. i have amd64 version of libqt3-mt and when i download and force install of x86 package i get amd64 package replaced which makes some dependency problems... how could i install libqt3-mt 32bit package without replacing the current amd64 one? |
| 16:39.55 | cydork | Cybodog_: edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 16:40.01 | quiet | ma3x, try using the noapic kernel flag... should probably disable PnP OS in the bios, too. |
| 16:40.11 | [Jasper] | ok... |
| 16:40.22 | [Jasper] | so blackdown is basically not supported in basic debian stable? |
| 16:40.24 | Cybodog_ | cydork looking; cydork are we related cy-bodog, cy-dork |
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| 16:40.56 | ma3x | quiet: where do I add that option? |
| 16:41.08 | quiet | in /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 16:41.09 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: It is possibly not stable ? |
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| 16:41.12 | quiet | at the end of the kernel line. |
| 16:41.25 | ma3x | quiet: like this - kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.18-1-686 root=/dev/hda2 ro noapic |
| 16:41.33 | quiet | yup |
| 16:41.42 | cydork | Cybodog_: we are different species :P |
| 16:41.51 | [Jasper] | hmm diilbertAtWork it's quite old.. |
| 16:41.59 | [Jasper] | so I would suspect it to be stable by now :P |
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| 16:42.21 | Cybodog_ | cydor, ahhhh, just checking |
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| 16:42.51 | diilbertAtWork | [Jasper]: DO you have non-free marked in your sources file next to stable... since it is considered none free by debian |
| 16:43.06 | diilbertAtWork | *non-free |
| 16:43.33 | diilbertAtWork | If you check out the downloads section of their (black-down) home page that is what it is telling me |
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| 16:44.40 | [Jasper] | diilbertAtWork it's sparc |
| 16:44.51 | [Jasper] | the architecture...maybe that's also part of the problem |
| 16:45.02 | quiet | is there any command line tool that will edit the sources.list while not borking the md5... similar to how synaptics does it? |
| 16:45.08 | quiet | can aptitude do that? |
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| 16:46.38 | Braindead | quiet: there's no MD5 checksum control for sources.list. |
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| 16:47.23 | [Jasper] | ok...so I just want java 1.4.2 from blackdown..what would be the best way to get this on debian sparc? |
| 16:47.25 | quiet | you sure? if you edit it by hand and then try to use apt-setup or whatever, it doesn't accept the changes. |
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| 16:48.11 | Braindead | quiet: usually apt-setup is used for the initial setup only. there's no actual need to do it again |
| 16:48.12 | ma3x | what was the x ssh thingie? |
| 16:48.15 | ma3x | how do I trigger that? |
| 16:48.43 | Braindead | ma3x: ssh -X on the client. on the server side decomment the X11 forwarding |
| 16:49.49 | ma3x | Braindead: and how do you connect from internet cafe (win) ? |
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| 16:50.04 | ma3x | ah , there was something like !xssh and dpkg displays it |
| 16:50.15 | CharminTheMoose | !sshx |
| 16:50.15 | dpkg | from memory, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 16:50.21 | ma3x | here we go |
| 16:50.23 | Braindead | ma3x: you can't. unless they let you use http://xlivecd.indiana.edu/ |
| 16:50.33 | earthian | hello again, i have installed skype i386 deb using dpkg -i --force-architecture, however it tells me that libqt3-mt is not found. i have amd64 version of libqt3-mt and when i download and force install of x86 package i get amd64 package replaced which makes some dependency problems... how could i install libqt3-mt 32bit package without replacing the current amd64 one? |
| 16:50.33 | Braindead | or install a xserver.... |
| 16:50.46 | earthian | p.s. i have all ia32 packages |
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| 16:51.04 | Fox | ia32 ? what's that ? |
| 16:51.34 | ma3x | earthian: edit /var/lib/dpkg/status and change it, as if it were already installed |
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| 16:52.40 | quiet | wow... that's not good. |
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| 16:53.23 | h3sp4wn | earthian: Any reason you cannot just install it into a 32 bit chroot and use schroot ? |
| 16:53.27 | quiet | i just installed to this compaq proliant 1600 (dual pentium III 500mhz/ compaq smart array 3200) and the initrd boots fine, then it halts saying that /dev/ida/c0d0p3 doesn't exist. |
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| 16:53.42 | cydork | earthian: the other way to do that is at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=77069 |
| 16:53.42 | PupenoR_ | Any recommended firewall that works well in Debian (other than writting an ugly script that calls iptables) ? |
| 16:53.47 | quiet | this is my reboot directly after installing from the etch binary disc 1. |
| 16:53.53 | Braindead | PupenoR_: shorewall |
| 16:54.00 | Ronin | PupenoR_: iptables and one of the front ends that exist allready |
| 16:54.13 | amphi | PupenoR_: what's wrong with "an ugly script that calls iptables" ? ;) |
| 16:54.17 | PupenoR_ | Ronin: that's what I am asking for, any particular frontend. |
| 16:54.33 | PupenoR_ | amphi: it is ugly! and hard to mantain. |
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| 16:55.27 | amphi | PupenoR_: or use iptables-save/-restore |
| 16:55.44 | Ronin | PupenoR_: ugly? i thought that function would be more important then form in a firewall |
| 16:56.26 | PupenoR_ | amphi: I am already doing that, but in Debian the iptables script has been obsoleted. I'd like to think that Debian developers know what they are doing and I trust them (otherwise, I wouldn't be using Debian). |
| 16:57.15 | Braindead | PupenoR_: they've deprecated the /etc/init.d/iptables script,not the use of /sbin/iptables-save |
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| 16:57.23 | mankod | !seen SSH-2 |
| 16:57.23 | dpkg | ssh-2 <~ssh@185-35-50.adsl.terra.cl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 603d 16h 17m 18s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
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| 16:58.01 | vostorga | hi mankod |
| 16:58.25 | mankod | vostorga: do you see that ? ssh-2 <~ssh@185-35-50.adsl.terra.cl> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 603d 16h 17m 18s ago, saying: 'yes'. |
| 16:58.41 | mankod | !seen Phnx, |
| 16:58.41 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'phnx,', mankod |
| 16:58.56 | mankod | !seen Nettoxic |
| 16:58.56 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'nettoxic', mankod |
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| 16:59.06 | mankod | !seen Phnx |
| 16:59.06 | dpkg | phnx <n=PhoeniX@201-0-114-175.dsl.telesp.net.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 159d 26m 53s ago, saying: 'speak portuguese ?'. |
| 16:59.06 | [Jasper] | so there is no-one here who can give me some advice on how to get blackdown? |
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| 16:59.20 | vostorga | mankod, notice the ".cl" xtension |
| 16:59.56 | mankod | vostorga: .cl ? |
| 16:59.58 | [Jasper] | blackdown - sparc - help needed! |
| 17:00.28 | vostorga | mankod, adsl.terra.cl |
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| 17:01.14 | mankod | vostorga: aaa the domain of their isp |
| 17:01.24 | Braindead | [Jasper]: STFW,FFS. there's no blackdown in the official repositories,not even on the non-free part. |
| 17:01.39 | mentor | Can't imagine why. |
| 17:01.44 | Fox | it's not an extension, it's a cctld, and it the one for Chile |
| 17:01.53 | Fox | s/it/it's/ |
| 17:02.04 | [Jasper] | that is seriously fucked up then |
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| 17:02.24 | Fox | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Country_code_top-level_domain |
| 17:02.38 | Braindead | [Jasper]: which part of JAVA-PACKAGE you've been told at least twice in here and once by dpkg you didn't undertsand? |
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| 17:03.06 | Braindead | [Jasper]: debian sparc blackdown on google anyone? |
| 17:03.14 | Tuttle_ | Is it safe to run dpkg-reconfigure mysql-server while mysqld is running and stuffed with data? I just want to recreate debian-sys-maint user. |
| 17:03.19 | mankod | !seen Codiux |
| 17:03.20 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'codiux', mankod |
| 17:03.31 | vin` | mankod: /msg the bot |
| 17:03.33 | dareth | Any difference between reverse DNS from old Woody to Sarge? |
| 17:03.33 | mankod | !seen Phnx |
| 17:03.34 | dpkg | phnx <n=PhoeniX@201-0-114-175.dsl.telesp.net.br> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 159d 31m 20s ago, saying: 'speak portuguese ?'. |
| 17:03.58 | [Jasper] | it actually is for x86 Braindead |
| 17:04.28 | Braindead | [Jasper]: no it's a fucking script. |
| 17:04.34 | Braindead | !tell [Jasper] about install java |
| 17:04.39 | Braindead | read it. again. |
| 17:04.41 | [Jasper] | what is a ascript? |
| 17:04.51 | [Jasper] | I only said that java blackdown was available in apt for x86 |
| 17:05.06 | Braindead | !tell [Jasper] about java-package |
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| 17:05.12 | dareth | What is the motivation for a pron star who is reading said "fucking script" ? |
| 17:05.20 | dareth | I mean, they are serious actors and all that. |
| 17:05.25 | quiet | this is exactly what I needed. :D |
| 17:05.25 | quiet | http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/servers/debian-on-a-compaq-proliant-1600.jspx |
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| 17:06.24 | madclicker | etch should have qemu 0.8.2, the 0.8.1 sucks ass |
| 17:06.29 | mankod | !seen Byond |
| 17:06.29 | dpkg | i haven't seen 'byond', mankod |
| 17:06.30 | Braindead | [Jasper]: somebody packaged the blackdown java on his own repository for his preferred arch. there's no blackdown shit in debian,clear now? |
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| 17:07.07 | cydork | mankod: msg the bot.. use /msg dpkg |
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| 17:11.37 | ukasz | hi |
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| 17:11.44 | ssdf | www.fun-tchat.qdo.org www.fun-tchat.tk |
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| 17:12.25 | ukasz | i have to write a program in bash that will partition an empty disk into 2 primary partitions |
| 17:12.54 | jelly | ukasz: is the disk always the same size? |
| 17:12.59 | ukasz | one will be at the beginning with 1gb of swap space and the rest of disk will be covered with ext3 |
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| 17:13.12 | ukasz | jelly: no |
| 17:13.20 | User259 | hi! |
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| 17:13.53 | User259 | wat the |
| 17:13.58 | User259 | what happened to everyone |
| 17:14.02 | jelly | ukasz: well, I find sfdisk well suited for scripting purposes, I usually use it to clone partition setup from one server to another. |
| 17:14.14 | ukasz | do you have any idea how to do it that i won't have warning that partition doesn't end on a cylinder boundry |
| 17:14.20 | deadlyallance077 | any body in hear ever use gnome-dock |
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| 17:14.47 | ukasz | Jelly: i wanted to use it but i can not figure how to do it |
| 17:15.04 | User259 | does anyone here use Firefox |
| 17:15.09 | User259 | on Debian |
| 17:15.13 | Braindead | !anyone |
| 17:15.13 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 17:15.40 | sandman | Why does it seem like k3bsetup wants to set crazy permissions to my devnodes and bins? |
| 17:15.46 | ukasz | jelly: how would you do it using sfdisk |
| 17:15.46 | ukasz | ? |
| 17:15.48 | ukasz | User259: i am using firefox |
| 17:15.48 | sandman | Like, chmod 666 /dev/cdrom |
| 17:15.57 | User259 | oh |
| 17:15.59 | User259 | check this out |
| 17:16.00 | ukasz | but on ubuntu ( ubuntu is much like debian) |
| 17:16.05 | User259 | microsoft bought firefox |
| 17:16.11 | ukasz | no way |
| 17:16.11 | User259 | no more open source ! |
| 17:16.14 | Braindead | yeah sure. |
| 17:16.20 | User259 | www.msfirefox.com |
| 17:16.22 | ukasz | Firefox is now under MS ????? |
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| 17:16.42 | jelly | ukasz: there are some examples in EXAMPLES section of the manual. One is similar to your usage pattern, making 3 fixed size partitions and one using the rest of the disk. |
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| 17:17.05 | ukasz | jelly: that doesn't work |
| 17:17.25 | ukasz | i don't know what to write in a file or how to do it |
| 17:17.39 | ukasz | please help :| |
| 17:18.07 | roneau16_ | hello, I removed one app using 'apt-get remove' instead of 'apt-get --purge remove'. How d |
| 17:18.07 | roneau16_ | o I get rid of the configuratino files now? |
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| 17:18.42 | amphi | roneau16_: you can use dpkg to purge them |
| 17:19.04 | yggdrasil | can somone help me with my repos list.. im looking for svn, and these are the only 2 repos i have i my list deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian sid main contrib non-free |
| 17:19.18 | ukasz | roneau16_ just use aptitude and find package that you removed and purge it |
| 17:20.46 | Braindead | yggdrasil: subversion |
| 17:20.57 | jelly | ukasz: well, I'm not that familiar with the program either but I'm sure it can be done. |
| 17:20.57 | yggdrasil | ahh |
| 17:21.21 | yggdrasil | great thank, im the one thats b d |
| 17:21.31 | jelly | ukasz: have you used fdisk or cfdisk, are you familiar with disk geometry, partition types and stuff? |
| 17:21.53 | Braindead | yggdrasil: aptitude search ~nsvn ~dsvn or just apt-cache search svn ... |
| 17:22.10 | PupenoR_ | Any recommended firewall that works well in Debian (other than writting an ugly script that calls iptables) that supports IPv6 ? |
| 17:22.16 | ukasz | cfdisk have gui |
| 17:22.22 | ukasz | so it is useless |
| 17:22.32 | ukasz | fdisk always prompts for data |
| 17:22.44 | yggdrasil | yea i did but .. therewas some werd ones. thanks then.. that sourceslist is ok then huh ? |
| 17:22.45 | jelly | ukasz: the INPUT FORMAT section of the manual seems to be pretty straightforward. "sfdisk reads lines of the form <start> <size> <id> <bootable> <c,h,s> <c,h,s>" |
| 17:23.19 | ukasz | jelly: and that doesn't work |
| 17:23.21 | Braindead | PupenoR_: once again shorewall |
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| 17:23.37 | PupenoR_ | Braindead: in #shorewall (the irc channel) I was told it doesn't support IPv6. |
| 17:23.42 | Braindead | !doesn't work |
| 17:23.43 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:24.10 | [Jasper] | how can I see if I'm running sarge or sid or woody or ? |
| 17:24.13 | Braindead | PupenoR_: http://www.shorewall.net/6to4.htm does it fit? |
| 17:24.31 | [Jasper] | 2.6.8-3-sparc64 |
| 17:24.42 | cydork | [Jasper]: sarge |
| 17:24.51 | jelly | Can I define a geometry for a loop device? :-) |
| 17:25.02 | [Jasper] | and sarge is stable now cydork ? |
| 17:25.18 | cydork | [Jasper]: yep |
| 17:25.27 | PupenoR_ | Braindead: yes, it confirms that shorewall doesn't support IPv6. |
| 17:25.56 | deadlyallance077 | anybody know of a way to make a mac osx like dock ? |
| 17:26.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | Hi everyone, I'm trying to get all classes and function names from a bunch of files. I perform this: cat lib_zt_* | grep "class|function" but have no result.... any help please ? |
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| 17:26.34 | Braindead | PupenoR_: www.fwbuilder.org |
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| 17:27.16 | ukasz | i have put sfdisk /dev/hdb 0 1024 82 |
| 17:27.23 | Braindead | Ox0F0-0FF: egrep or grep -e and no need to cat... egrep "foo|bar" lib* |
| 17:27.29 | ukasz | and i have sfdisk: can specify only one device (except with -l or -s) message |
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| 17:28.30 | Braindead | Ox0F0-0FF: -n may help. RTFM also may help |
| 17:28.53 | jelly | ukasz: you should put the numbers on its stdin, not on the command line |
| 17:28.56 | Ox0F0-0FF | Braindead, I did and found -P which just says "-P is not supported" |
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| 17:29.24 | Ox0F0-0FF | Braindead, Added to which you have no need to be agressive |
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| 17:30.33 | ukasz | jelly: ok i know but how to do it without prompting a user ? |
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| 17:30.54 | jelly | ukasz: try it. |
| 17:31.14 | jelly | ukasz: either echo "0 1024 82" | sfdisk ... or fill a file then do "sfdisk ... < file" or use here-documents like in the manual. |
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| 17:36.06 | ukasz | jelly: size is given in what ? if cylinders than how to calculate cyls into megabytes ? |
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| 17:36.24 | EmleyMoor | I can't download the Release file when trying to install the stable base system |
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| 17:36.42 | EmleyMoor | Is there any specific reason why that would be? |
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| 17:38.03 | EmleyMoor | (it's just like it's saying "no, you may not install Debian on your former-OpenBSD box) |
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| 17:38.20 | jelly | ukasz: I think -uM option might help. |
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| 17:39.25 | EmleyMoor | Am I encountering a known sarge breakage or do I have some other kind of breakage? |
| 17:39.26 | atula | hello. anyone have experience with dual monitor |
| 17:40.13 | Braindead | !tell atula about anyone |
| 17:40.23 | jelly | ukasz: something like this could work: http://paste.debian.net/16322 |
| 17:40.27 | Braindead | EmleyMoor: maybe it's just the mirror who's currently borked. choose another one |
| 17:40.46 | EmleyMoor | Braindead: It appears to be every mirror |
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| 17:40.55 | atula | here's what I did: 1) put in two video cards in.... wrote config file for XFree86 in /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 |
| 17:41.23 | atula | for some reason.. it wouldn't get the second monitor |
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| 17:41.31 | atula | is there a way to tag it? |
| 17:42.04 | atula | ah.. I don't even know how to ask the question anymore... yeah.... it's like the config file is there... but I'm not even sure if the config file is being used... |
| 17:42.05 | ukasz | jelly: ok but do i need to write something specific in the file so it will work ? |
| 17:42.34 | ukasz | jelly: becouse i want whole proces not to prompt user |
| 17:42.47 | jelly | ukasz: have you tried it? |
| 17:42.55 | EmleyMoor | Never have I encountered a show-stopper like this before |
| 17:42.58 | jelly | ukasz: does it prompt the user? |
| 17:43.33 | ukasz | jelly: w8 |
| 17:43.37 | atula | okay. let me refine my question: is /etc/X11/XFree86Config-4 the config file for Xfree86? |
| 17:43.53 | Braindead | EmleyMoor: broken connectivity? spawn another shell with alt+f2 and check... |
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| 17:45.09 | EmleyMoor | Braindead: How do you suggest I check? |
| 17:45.10 | ukasz | no it doesn't |
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| 17:45.29 | EmleyMoor | (there doesn't seem to be an awful lot there that would help me check) |
| 17:45.35 | ukasz | jelly: it is working |
| 17:45.46 | simonrvn | atula: XF86Config-4 |
| 17:45.48 | amphi | atula: yes |
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| 17:46.21 | amphi | atula: oops, misread ;) |
| 17:46.35 | Braindead | EmleyMoor: I'm assuming you're using the net installer from sarge. I'm assuming you've got serious internet connectivity on the machine. I'm assuming a lot of things since all you were able to tell us is " I can't download the Release file" |
| 17:46.39 | EmleyMoor | (no ping, no traceroute, near enough no nowt) |
| 17:46.43 | EtherNet | how could I convert an MBX mail format, to another one?.. cause I need to import it from some mail client |
| 17:46.58 | MmikeRMRM | when I boot debian-netinst cd, just before the 'Choose Language' dialog is displayed I notice some errors, but the dialog shows up too fast, so I can't see the errors... I don't see them when I do alt-f2/f3/f4.., and dmesg also shows nothing... is there a way to 'catch' what is displayed before the 'Choose language' dialog is displayed? |
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| 17:47.18 | simonrvn | use mutt to open it and make yourself a maildir or something you need |
| 17:47.22 | EmleyMoor | Words to the effect of mirror not available or no valid Release file |
| 17:47.42 | EmleyMoor | If I have Internet connectivity on this box, I also have it on that one |
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| 17:48.12 | EmleyMoor | The thing is, I thought I had solved this problem then it went again part way through the installation of the base system |
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| 17:48.19 | ukasz | jelly: ok thx a lot |
| 17:48.25 | coreyo | is there an X utility that will allow me to see currently active xinerama flags, or any xinerama information about my active X session? |
| 17:48.27 | deadcat | what do you call those images with text where you have to type to avoid spam/abuse? |
| 17:48.31 | ukasz | jelly: you saved my a** |
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| 17:48.40 | simonrvn | captcha |
| 17:48.43 | deadcat | thanks |
| 17:48.50 | beardy | really? |
| 17:49.02 | beardy | I didn't they know they had a general name. |
| 17:49.06 | jelly | ukasz: btw, that program <<DELIMITER .... DELIMITER syntax is called "here-document" or here-doc, useful if you don't want to create temporary files and redirect from them. |
| 17:49.34 | ukasz | jelly: i would like to use temp files |
| 17:49.36 | elias_ | are there any plans to include suspend2 into debian kernel? |
| 17:49.40 | simonrvn | got started off wordpress blogs, one of their plugins... just got spread all over the place.. |
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| 17:49.58 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 17:49.59 | EtherNet | simonrvn, /var/mail/test: Value too large for defined data type (errno = 92) |
| 17:50.04 | EtherNet | I've got that error in mutt |
| 17:50.10 | Mazingaro | is there a tool to design flowchart??? |
| 17:50.17 | beardy | simonrvn: Is wordpress that "old".. hmm. |
| 17:50.44 | MmikeRMRM | Mazingaro, dia |
| 17:50.53 | jelly | ukasz: so just put stuff in temp. files and do "sfdisk /dev/XXX < my-temp-file", same thing. |
| 17:50.53 | ukasz | jelly: so that partition table would be written in seperate file |
| 17:51.03 | ukasz | ok |
| 17:51.06 | Mazingaro | MmikeRMRM: ok |
| 17:51.09 | Mazingaro | MmikeRMRM: ok, thanks |
| 17:51.10 | simonrvn | EtherNet: mutt bug, or fs problem, or some other thing |
| 17:51.34 | EmleyMoor | Any advice as to how to persuade this thing that I really do want it to work would be appreciated |
| 17:51.38 | jelly | MmikeRMRM: ejla, sto se radi. :-) |
| 17:51.50 | simonrvn | EmleyMoor: restarted the install? |
| 17:52.15 | MmikeRMRM | jelly debilanim se :) |
| 17:52.20 | EmleyMoor | Not yet - but will try it - I fear it may break in the same place but we'll see |
| 17:52.25 | jelly | MmikeRMRM: poor thing. |
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| 17:53.00 | Braindead | jebe se! crasni kurac! debela kurcina! that's all the croatian I know |
| 17:53.18 | Braindead | (playing online really helps intercultural swaps) |
| 17:53.23 | simonrvn | that's more than me =) |
| 17:53.28 | MmikeRMRM | Braindead, someone tought you well! :)) |
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| 17:53.33 | jelly | Braindead: At least you got the right language, most people guess hr stands for Hungary. |
| 17:54.02 | MmikeRMRM | You just have to love Internet :) |
| 17:54.15 | simonrvn | Hrvatska |
| 17:54.28 | simonrvn | hungary is hu |
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| 17:55.32 | jelly | !win simonrvn |
| 17:55.32 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won the time-life collection of vintage AOL CDs, a set of 120! |
| 17:55.44 | Shadowcat | eww AOL cds |
| 17:55.53 | simonrvn | yum. |
| 17:56.03 | jelly | Shadowcat: better that than USA presidency. |
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| 17:56.50 | simonrvn | had to look up what .hr was (since that's the native name), admittedly (using 'countrycodes') but i did already know .hu |
| 17:57.12 | EmleyMoor | Installer components downloading now - had to set up network manually |
| 17:57.18 | simonrvn | ok |
| 17:57.31 | EmleyMoor | ... however, it's been this far before |
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| 18:00.16 | ukasz | jelly: sfdisk: long or incomplete input line - quitting |
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| 18:00.48 | A300 | Hello. Is it possible to sync two debian boxes cache/apt/archives directories so as both have the same package version installed? |
| 18:00.55 | Braindead | 18:47 < EmleyMoor> If I have Internet connectivity on this box, I also have it on that one |
| 18:00.55 | EmleyMoor | Base system installing - wonder how far it will get |
| 18:01.07 | Braindead | last famous words.... |
| 18:01.26 | simonrvn | !flw |
| 18:01.26 | dpkg | methinks flw8 is <wookey> novell wouldnt sell |
| 18:01.44 | rpoisel | hi! i'm having troubles when using elinks with trickle ... connections are established very fast and break down after a short while |
| 18:01.57 | ukasz | jelly: http://paste.debian.net/16325 |
| 18:02.01 | jelly | ukasz: did you press enter at the end of the line? *blink* |
| 18:02.15 | EmleyMoor | Braindead: I can ping it and it's on the same LAN - so I don't see how it could be a problem |
| 18:02.22 | jelly | ukasz: why did you put those ; ? |
| 18:02.55 | Braindead | EmleyMoor: dns? gateway? back to the initial diagnosis of 18:43 < Braindead> EmleyMoor: broken connectivity? |
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| 18:02.59 | jelly | ukasz: just use first two lines. |
| 18:03.13 | EmleyMoor | Identical, identical. |
| 18:03.18 | ukasz | jelly: ok i forgot to press enter after last ; in the file |
| 18:03.27 | ukasz | jelly: now it is working |
| 18:03.31 | secher | !tell me about pear |
| 18:03.43 | Braindead | EmleyMoor: is it working or not? |
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| 18:03.56 | jelly | ukasz: yeah, lines without LF (enter, if you wish) in unix are problematic. |
| 18:04.00 | EmleyMoor | It was there and it appeared to go - so how should I have got it back? It's working now |
| 18:04.18 | EmleyMoor | (could still ping it in any case) |
| 18:04.32 | Braindead | it isn't clear,you told it's dloading and that you had to manually configure the network (which is the only option in case of the lack of a DHCP...) |
| 18:04.34 | ukasz | jelly: didn't know that but thx a lot for help |
| 18:05.13 | jelly | ukasz: np |
| 18:05.17 | EmleyMoor | Braindead: It works *now*, but it stopped working on the previous occasion - despite remaining pingable with nothing changing |
| 18:05.50 | EtherNet | how do I set permissions for an user to login with root permissions ? |
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| 18:05.56 | n0delO | lu |
| 18:06.09 | n0delO | jai un tite question |
| 18:06.13 | Braindead | so I don't get the "had to set up network manually" part. and to be sincere I don't care |
| 18:06.16 | Braindead | !fr |
| 18:06.16 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:06.42 | Braindead | EtherNet: you simply don't and configure sudo properly. I strongly underline *properly* |
| 18:06.57 | jelly | anyone tried building a debootstrap inside /dev/shm and doing pivot_root to that? I would like to remotely reformat and reinstall the disk from scratch, including recreating the raid. |
| 18:07.43 | earthian | hmm |
| 18:08.01 | jelly | without rebooting. ;-) |
| 18:08.02 | earthian | if i have debian with x86_64 kernel then wtf x86 apps are not working? :*( |
| 18:08.04 | EmleyMoor | Braindead: There is limited DHCP here but it refused to work on that, so I fixed it manually (as I would anyway) |
| 18:08.26 | A300 | Is it possible to use the packages from one debian box on another so that they both have the same package sets installed? if so, how? |
| 18:08.36 | simonrvn | i still have problems with pivot_root, so no ;) |
| 18:08.44 | EmleyMoor | It looks like it's going to work this time, though it's stopped pinging |
| 18:09.19 | jelly | simonrvn: I have problems with umounting root afterwards since this "init" process is still holding it. ;-) |
| 18:09.24 | simonrvn | A300: dpkg --{get,set}-selections |
| 18:09.50 | cydork | !tell A300 -about debian clone |
| 18:10.06 | simonrvn | yeh me too. choosing the right place so i can pivot_root to that and boot properly =) |
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| 18:10.15 | A300 | simonrvn, cydork, ty |
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| 18:10.21 | CharminTheMoose | why does mplayer(gmplayer) not like .movs? |
| 18:10.38 | simonrvn | have the win32codecs? |
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| 18:10.59 | simonrvn | i don't think it uses libquicktime |
| 18:11.12 | CharminTheMoose | I can play them but I can't scroll to a particular point in it |
| 18:11.21 | simonrvn | streamed? |
| 18:11.34 | CharminTheMoose | it's on my harddisk |
| 18:11.36 | CharminTheMoose | locally |
| 18:11.42 | simonrvn | wtf |
| 18:11.46 | MmikeRMRM | When netinst asks me about 'software selection' (destkop env, web server, print server, ...etc...), where can I find list of what is going to be installed if I select particular item? |
| 18:12.34 | CharminTheMoose | and if i attempt to scroll to a particular point it crashes |
| 18:12.44 | simonrvn | fun |
| 18:13.07 | CharminTheMoose | with:[ws] Error in display. [ws] Error code: 13 ( BadGC (invalid GC parameter) ) [ws] Request code: 147 [ws] Minor code: 3 [ws] Modules: (NULL) |
| 18:13.17 | simonrvn | MmikeRMRM: on teh intarwebs :P |
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| 18:13.52 | simonrvn | it could be a partially buggered .mov too |
| 18:14.10 | Xri34 | VLCCCC |
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| 18:14.21 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:14.28 | Xri34 | O_o |
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| 18:16.32 | kittonian | how do you modify the list of archives that CPAN is using? |
| 18:16.53 | Caelum | o conf urllist |
| 18:16.54 | kittonian | progeny is offline and it's taking forever to timeout each time I need to do something |
| 18:16.59 | Caelum | o conf in general |
| 18:17.05 | cydork | MmikeRMRM: tasksel --task-packages <task> |
| 18:17.09 | kittonian | ok, so you do it from inside cpan |
| 18:18.25 | simonrvn | yeh, or edit some dotfile (names escapes me) |
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| 18:18.51 | Mathiaz | hello |
| 18:19.01 | Mathiaz | i need help to configure cups |
| 18:19.03 | Mathiaz | =) |
| 18:19.20 | jelly | kittonian: I don't know where it's hidden in $HOME/.cpan but I'm sure if you wipe it all it'll ask you again for the initial configuration |
| 18:19.35 | _JusSx_ | Mathiaz: i don' think it's hard |
| 18:19.42 | Mathiaz | i know |
| 18:20.03 | Mathiaz | but i don t want spend tehe night doing it |
| 18:20.13 | jelly | kittonian: quick and dirty workaround: add a fake entry for the dead mirror into /etc/hosts |
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| 18:20.29 | Xri34 | oh that's greasy |
| 18:20.31 | Mathiaz | i want to share a printer between debain computer |
| 18:20.33 | simonrvn | like 127.1.1.1 or something =) |
| 18:20.39 | Mathiaz | do i need samba? |
| 18:20.47 | jelly | simonrvn: no, like the ip of a working mirror. |
| 18:20.54 | jelly | s/the/an/ |
| 18:21.08 | g333k | can somebody help me playing a stream of a radio that uses the MS format? |
| 18:21.14 | cahoot | Mathiaz: no - cups is enough |
| 18:21.20 | Mathiaz | thinks |
| 18:21.22 | simonrvn | jelly: :P |
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| 18:21.47 | Mathiaz | i don t find tutoril to configure the client cohoot |
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| 18:21.53 | Mathiaz | could you help me |
| 18:22.06 | jelly | simonrvn: had to do that for ftp.perl.org since their ddns always picks the obsolete ip of our local mirror. |
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| 18:22.21 | simonrvn | eh |
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| 18:22.26 | cahoot | Mathiaz: http://linuxprinting.org/~till/printing-tutorial/tut.html |
| 18:22.52 | Mathiaz | you re king cahoot |
| 18:22.59 | A300 | "erm, E: Command line option --set-selections is not understood" |
| 18:23.00 | Mathiaz | =) |
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| 18:23.10 | simonrvn | dpkg |
| 18:23.33 | A300 | doh screwy me |
| 18:23.50 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:24.07 | simonrvn | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:24.58 | A300 | yea i got it right on the first box, dunno why i tried apt on the second |
| 18:25.31 | A300 | now it wants ot isntall a few packages from the net (did 5 or 6 fine first) |
| 18:25.32 | simonrvn | habit? :) |
| 18:25.58 | A300 | likely so |
| 18:25.58 | simonrvn | yeh, run aptitude after doing that, should figure things out ok |
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| 18:26.14 | A300 | odd, i know i have gawk installed on box 2, but its not in the cache |
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| 18:26.26 | kingsley | A Debian and a Windows XP box have failed to resume communicating after their ethernet cable was re-plugged in and after they were rebooted. What's a good way to diagnose the problem? |
| 18:26.33 | Caelum | Mathiaz: use the cups web admin interface |
| 18:26.40 | Caelum | Mathiaz: see the README.Debian |
| 18:26.46 | EmleyMoor | I can't install asterisk from backports because of libtonezone1 being required in a later version - anyone else encountered this? |
| 18:27.12 | Caelum | EmleyMoor: build the lib from source with apt-get -b source then? |
| 18:27.42 | anapivirtua | Pom Pom Pom² |
| 18:28.03 | A300 | err, some of the .debs have a %3a in the name, could that be messing with dpkg seeing them? |
| 18:28.04 | EmleyMoor | Meaning presumably I need a source line for testing? Can I keep that even with stable lines in? How do I tell it which? |
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| 18:28.30 | spiff | rumsfeld has been fired. |
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| 18:28.45 | A300 | now when will Bush be fired? |
| 18:29.19 | simonrvn | spiff: is that joke, or real? |
| 18:29.34 | Ronin | simonrvn: apparently real |
| 18:29.35 | slept | kingsley, is the rest of networking ok ? internet connection ? |
| 18:29.40 | rgsteele | Joke |
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| 18:30.01 | Ronin | Rumsfeld quitting as defense secretary |
| 18:30.12 | simonrvn | fuck yeh |
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| 18:30.47 | rgsteele | Ronin: Link |
| 18:31.02 | rgsteele | Google's not telling me the same story |
| 18:31.11 | Ronin | rgsteele: www.cnn.com |
| 18:31.13 | asg | simonrvn: it doesn't mean we won't still contemplate lobing bombs at you though |
| 18:31.14 | amphi | rgsteele: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/rumsfeld_resigns |
| 18:31.36 | simonrvn | what did i do? |
| 18:31.36 | asg | simonrvn: ;) |
| 18:31.36 | simonrvn | :P |
| 18:31.39 | Caelum | A300: no |
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| 18:32.43 | amphi | A300: he can't be; he's the Decider |
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| 18:32.55 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 18:33.01 | asdfcd | Hi |
| 18:33.03 | Ronin | amphi: heh not any more |
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| 18:33.05 | kingsley | slept: Thanks for asking. Yes. |
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| 18:33.25 | A300 | amphi, what ever happened to "we the people" |
| 18:33.27 | A300 | brb |
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| 18:34.16 | amphi | The president watched the results in the White House residence, where Snow described the mood as "businesslike." "The president often likes to conduct business while curled up in a fetal position on the floor," Snow explained. "It helps him concentrate." |
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| 18:34.30 | EmleyMoor | Hmmm... it's part of zaptel |
| 18:34.36 | spiff | amphi: hahaha, hahahaha. |
| 18:34.44 | simonrvn | amphi: hehehe |
| 18:34.49 | cydork | amphi: heh |
| 18:34.50 | slept | kingsley, how do they communicate ? samba ? |
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| 18:35.26 | simonrvn | yeh, pre-coke and pre-drunkenness state |
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| 18:35.59 | kingsley | slept: They communicate over eth1. |
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| 18:36.17 | jabka | why ping eblan.us bring me back to myself ? |
| 18:36.38 | jabka | could anyoe try ping eblan.us ? |
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| 18:36.47 | asg | jabka: because eblan.us returns 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:37.00 | jabka | asg |
| 18:37.01 | simonrvn | because some asshole set the dns that way for that host |
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| 18:37.02 | asg | asg@grep:~$ host eblan.us |
| 18:37.02 | asg | eblan.us has address 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:37.14 | simonrvn | ,--8<- |
| 18:37.15 | simonrvn | |;; ANSWER SECTION: |
| 18:37.15 | simonrvn | |eblan.us. 86400 IN A 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:37.15 | simonrvn | `-->8- |
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| 18:37.26 | simonrvn | woops |
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| 18:37.32 | jabka | asg:why any one will use dns 127.0.0.1 |
| 18:37.44 | shay | igual, puedes agarrarme el gevo |
| 18:37.44 | simonrvn | wasn't supposed to paste more than 1 |
| 18:37.48 | nextstate2 | I've got a two-machine failover system for company's main fileservers. They are running woody. Is it a safe bet to just run 'apt-get upgrade' and 'apt-get update' to upgrade to sarge? |
| 18:37.49 | JordiGH | So one fine morning I was aptitude searching, and well, I found |
| 18:37.52 | JordiGH | !info pornview |
| 18:37.56 | slept | kingsley, yes they do, but they use a protocol for that - ssh, samba, ftp, http .... ? |
| 18:37.58 | dpkg | pornview: (Image and movie viewer/manager), section utils, is optional. Version: 0.2pre1-7 (sid), Packaged size: 229 kB, Installed size: 664 kB |
| 18:37.58 | simonrvn | JordiGH: old news |
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| 18:38.09 | tarzeau | haha http://dunc-bank.zoy.org/ |
| 18:38.12 | cydork | JordiGH: old news :P |
| 18:38.14 | asg | jabka: as a cool joke, they are inept, many reasons. |
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| 18:38.36 | dan2_ | the DICTATOR HAS RESIGNED |
| 18:38.40 | dan2_ | RUMSFELD RESIGNED! |
| 18:38.47 | tarzeau | dan2_: oh and i thought DPL |
| 18:38.49 | JordiGH | Porn does get old, I guess. |
| 18:38.49 | foobiebah | im getting something like... "cannot find fixed font" when starting x. im using xorg + xgl |
| 18:39.06 | foobiebah | do i need a font package or something? |
| 18:39.07 | tarzeau | isn't it dicator project leader |
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| 18:39.39 | rexhat | o/ |
| 18:39.49 | kingsley | slept: At the moment, even the "ping" command doesn't work, which transmits ICMP echo request packets. |
| 18:39.53 | shay | JordiGH, ? |
| 18:39.55 | foobiebah | anyone? :P |
| 18:40.01 | JordiGH | shay: Gevo? |
| 18:40.04 | jabka | <foobiebah> : nice if u do whois eblan.us |
| 18:40.05 | simonrvn | foobiebah: yes |
| 18:40.20 | foobiebah | simonrvn what ? |
| 18:40.38 | shay | JordiGH, wrong channel, eres venezolano? |
| 18:40.44 | dan2_ | asg, ahoy! |
| 18:40.55 | dan2_ | asg, good news! Rumsfeld is gone. Democrats basically have control of congress |
| 18:40.56 | shay | JordiGH, I'm ssh'ing from the celular connection and I'm lagged as hell |
| 18:40.57 | slept | kingsley, do you use dhcp and the adress might have changed ? use nmap to find out.. |
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| 18:40.59 | JordiGH | shay: No, I'm not from Venezuela. What gave you that idea? |
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| 18:41.24 | foobiebah | what is the package simonrvn? |
| 18:41.28 | shay | JordiGH, what I said was spanish slang.. |
| 18:41.32 | simonrvn | blue cats instead of red cats. yay. |
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| 18:41.42 | simonrvn | foobiebah: xfonts-base IIRC |
| 18:41.51 | foobiebah | cheers |
| 18:42.10 | JordiGH | shay: Which could be of any number of 30+ Spanish-speaking countries in any of the hundreds of dialects of Spanish. Venezuela is only one such country that contains a few of those dialects. |
| 18:42.46 | shay | JordiGH, right, but it was too "slangish" |
| 18:43.04 | simonrvn | JordiGH: start over: good morning! |
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| 18:43.18 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 18:43.37 | foobiebah | simonsvn, i have that... it was working find until xgl install |
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| 18:43.50 | shay | at least you have a solution, wake up again :) |
| 18:43.57 | shay | in my case there's no solution |
| 18:44.04 | shay | I'm just too fucked up |
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| 18:44.24 | simonrvn | nah, admitting you're fucked up means you can fix it |
| 18:44.26 | JordiGH | It's just that this flash-only webpage. Argh. It's not usable even with proprietary software on a relatively fast connection. |
| 18:44.41 | simonrvn | JordiGH: those are the worst. evar. |
| 18:44.48 | kingsley | slept: It does use dhcp, and I'm grateful for your thoughts, however, I find myself wondering how that could explain the current lack of connectivity when dhcp has worked fine for months. Also, I need to leave very soon, so before I go, I'd like to thank you for your time and attention. |
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| 18:45.10 | slept | ok |
| 18:45.18 | JordiGH | simonrvn: I think only a select few elite could watch cococola.com |
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| 18:47.04 | foobiebah | nothing simonrvn? |
| 18:47.15 | simonrvn | busy |
| 18:47.39 | foobiebah | ok, anyone else? |
| 18:48.06 | simonrvn | try purging and re-installing it |
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| 18:51.20 | simonrvn | or just re-install |
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| 18:51.21 | anapivirtua | Stfu. |
| 18:51.39 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 18:51.49 | tarzeau | has someone installed debian onto fat or ntfs filesystems? |
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| 18:52.58 | CharminTheMoose | tarzeau:Is that even possible? |
| 18:53.07 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: file permissions are a problem |
| 18:53.09 | simonrvn | tarzeau: i doubt that's even possible |
| 18:53.21 | slept | what is that : binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw) |
| 18:53.23 | tarzeau | CharminTheMoose: suse or doslinux allowed that using umsdos or something like that |
| 18:53.39 | earthian | hey, skype which i am trying to run is complaining about missing libaudio 32bit libraries... i have x86_64 etch. how can i fix this dependency problem?? |
| 18:53.44 | CharminTheMoose | yes tarzeau |
| 18:53.44 | tarzeau | simonrvn: well certainly you can cdebootstrap on a fat/ntfs partition (but how well, if at all would it run?) |
| 18:54.14 | simonrvn | sure, but like you said, i don't think it'll run at all |
| 18:54.44 | yacc | tarzeau: Well, umsdos was a container filesystem that gave a "hidden" unix semantics space on a msdos filesystem, that's completly different. |
| 18:54.56 | simonrvn | yes |
| 18:54.58 | tarzeau | simonrvn: what about a large file with ext2/3 (which lies on fat/ntfs partition)? |
| 18:55.07 | tarzeau | yacc: i know |
| 18:55.10 | moshii | if the partition can't be formatted .. use a loopback |
| 18:55.18 | tarzeau | moshii: that's possible? |
| 18:55.21 | moshii | tarzeau: yes |
| 18:55.25 | tarzeau | moshii: how? |
| 18:55.51 | moshii | tarzeau: dd a big file, make an fs on it and do "mount -o loop /path/to/file /mountpoint" |
| 18:56.02 | tarzeau | moshii: but can i install debian into such system? |
| 18:56.06 | tarzeau | moshii: and grub can boot it? |
| 18:56.14 | moshii | tarzeau: iirc mkfs.ext3 has an -f option to make a fs in a file |
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| 18:56.20 | staniel|work | hello |
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| 18:56.38 | simonrvn | i don't think you even have to bother with the extra flag anymore |
| 18:56.41 | moshii | tarzeau: you'll have to add something to the initrd and keep the kernel outside of the loopback fs |
| 18:57.04 | tarzeau | moshii: ok, this sounds not so easy |
| 18:57.16 | moshii | tarzeau: with the kernel/initrd in the fatfs you could boot it with grub :) |
| 18:57.24 | tarzeau | moshii: what if i don't want initrd? |
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| 18:57.38 | staniel|work | does anyone know how to get the ipchain stuff from appearing in the terminals? |
| 18:57.58 | moshii | tarzeau: create an init script that mounts the loopback before starting the real init and pass it to the kernel at boot |
| 18:57.59 | staniel|work | I know dpkg has some info on that - but I cant remember what it was |
| 18:58.00 | simonrvn | ipchains? what century are you talking about? :P |
| 18:58.20 | staniel|work | err iptabls |
| 18:58.39 | moshii | tarzeau: I've done AES encrypted ext2 fs's from a FAT usb pendrive and had it booting directly etc :) |
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| 18:59.34 | tarzeau | moshii: i can't mess with the kernel, dunno how with live-package |
| 18:59.38 | damnage_hack | hi. i use spca5xx Version: 20060501-1+2.6.17-2 from debian testing with a Vimicro webcam. but the cam freezes the system. |
| 18:59.52 | moshii | tarzeau: is it a stock debian kernel? |
| 18:59.52 | staniel|work | simonrvn: you know what im talking about though, the firewall puts things to terminals, and I want to know how to removeit |
| 18:59.58 | tarzeau | moshii: yes |
| 19:00.01 | tarzeau | moshii: 2.6.18.1 |
| 19:00.11 | simonrvn | sysctl -w kernel.printk=1 3 1 7 |
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| 19:00.45 | moshii | tarzeau: ok then stock kernels use an initrd or initramfs, and you can hack a lot of stuff into it |
| 19:00.53 | simonrvn | also look at kernel.printk_ratelimit and kernel.printk_ratelimit_burst |
| 19:01.15 | tarzeau | moshii: do you have your hacks online? |
| 19:01.32 | moshii | tarzeau: basically the initrd acts as a temp root that contains enough to mount the real root and restart init |
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| 19:01.55 | moshii | tarzeau: you need to add something to the initrd config to add the loopback module and do the mount |
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| 19:02.40 | moshii | tarzeau: maybe... there are docs with yaird and mkinitramfs that you can use |
| 19:02.43 | damnage_hack | Nov 8 19:16:33 bitschleuder kernel: /build/buildd/linux-modules-extra-2.6-2.6.17/debian/build/build_i386_none_k7_spca5xx/drivers/usb/spca5xx.c: [spca50x_move_data:2090] ISOC data error: [1] len=0, status=-71 |
| 19:02.45 | _gass_ | hello there |
| 19:03.13 | _gass_ | i have installed compiz in etch, and it leaves me without window manager in gnome |
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| 19:05.40 | lindenle|airport | /seen |
| 19:06.11 | moshii | tarzeau: when I did this sort of thing I built my own mkinitrd scripts though.. I might be able to dig them up for you |
| 19:06.14 | helmut | Hi. Do you know a tool that can provide a stable connection over a set of unreliable network interfaces? |
| 19:06.41 | tarzeau | moshii: thank you |
| 19:07.32 | asdfcd | I have a problem with my webcam.. it doesnt work with wecamd or digikam but it works kdetv.. somehow it gets mounted in a false devicelink.. how can i solve this problem? |
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| 19:10.17 | foobiebah | do i need a font package or something? |
| 19:10.35 | foobiebah | xorg keeps giving error saying cannot find fixed font |
| 19:10.47 | moshii | helmut: you want to create a vpn or something.. |
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| 19:11.23 | cahoot | foobiebah: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 - see section 16 |
| 19:11.34 | foobiebah | thanks |
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| 19:12.21 | wireddd | I just reinstalled etch on my laptop and the tap click on my touchpad no longer works, any idea what I need to change to make it work again? |
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| 19:13.15 | roby | I'm going to run a command, need to tell how much time (human, not cpu) it took to run |
| 19:13.31 | foobiebah | cahoot says same error |
| 19:13.33 | helmut | moshii: yeah, over three interfaces. |
| 19:13.40 | Pryon | roby: time foo |
| 19:13.46 | helmut | moshii: if one fails the others should be used. |
| 19:14.25 | moshii | helmut: i'm not sure how you would do it, i've seen people have a lot of problem with having fail over connections with different ips |
| 19:14.31 | roby | Pryon: sweetness |
| 19:14.53 | helmut | moshii: well it's even worse. the failover connection must be ipv6 |
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| 19:15.33 | moshii | helmut: hmm is it your own subnet? |
| 19:15.44 | moshii | helmut: like the ones sixxs give out? |
| 19:16.20 | helmut | moshii: uhm. I've got an ipv4 and an ipv6 address from my provider and would like to have a stable connection to my server. |
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| 19:16.48 | helmut | moshii: as ipv4 and ipv6 is routed differently I consider them two connections (that fail differently). |
| 19:17.04 | moshii | helmut: i'm trying to do that with 2 wireless connections at the moment |
| 19:17.21 | helmut | moshii: yeah the third connection is wireless, which sometimes fails, too. ;-) |
| 19:17.32 | moshii | helmut: I wanted to vpn over either of the wireless connections to my dedicated box and then gateway from there |
| 19:17.42 | helmut | moshii: exactly. |
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| 19:18.16 | helmut | moshii: did you find any usefull software for that task? |
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| 19:18.55 | moshii | helmut: I got stopped in my tracks because my dedicated machine doesn't have tun/tap support and I'm a scared to reboot it |
| 19:18.58 | helmut | moshii: maybe this could be done in a general way (i.e. also supporting stuff like ip over http) |
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| 19:19.30 | helmut | moshii: you can boot qemu and then use userspace nat (although this is ugly) |
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| 19:19.49 | moshii | helmut: maybe the standard linux connection pairing thingy? |
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| 19:20.12 | [Jasper] | how can I let my box remember something I put in $PATH ? |
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| 19:20.47 | helmut | moshii: hmm. I'd like to get more: the tool should be able to set an mtu for both sides as my provider drops(!) many packages larger than 1000 byte (both directions). |
| 19:20.57 | moshii | [Jasper]: put it in your .profile |
| 19:21.02 | sanmarcos | how can I mount a ext3 partition ignoring its permissions? |
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| 19:21.09 | helmut | moshii: decreasing my mtu was simple, but how to decrease the mtu of any internet server? ;-) |
| 19:21.30 | [Jasper] | hmm moshii how will I let it be available for the complete system? |
| 19:21.33 | [Jasper] | the $PATH ? |
| 19:21.47 | moshii | [Jasper]: /etc/profile |
| 19:21.55 | moshii | [Jasper]: or /usr/share/profile |
| 19:22.00 | moshii | I forget which heh |
| 19:22.11 | h3sp4wn | [Jasper]: you can use /etc/environment as well |
| 19:22.18 | helmut | moshii: in fact this irc connection works, because your lines are below 1000byte. ;-) |
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| 19:22.37 | ciop | how to configure userdir module on apache2, so i can access http://server/~username, ive tried to a2enmod userdir, but doesnt work, please show me to the right direction |
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| 19:23.26 | moshii | helmut: When I go back home to spain I'm on two wireless connections that are pretty far away, and telefonica drops packets anyways :( |
| 19:23.38 | slept | what happend to kernel-source packages ? I cant find the kernel source anymore with apt ? |
| 19:23.46 | moshii | slept: linux-source |
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| 19:24.02 | roleypolinde | Is there any way to mount a folder over ssh? |
| 19:24.06 | ciop | somebody? |
| 19:24.10 | moshii | slept: because debian isn't just on the linux kernel anymore |
| 19:24.23 | slept | moshii: ah thanks , i forgot about that bsd thing |
| 19:24.33 | slept | roleypolinde: sshfs |
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| 19:24.57 | slept | roleypolinde: with fuse and sshfs |
| 19:25.09 | roleypolinde | I wonder if I can port those to DSlinux |
| 19:25.11 | h3sp4wn | roleypolinde: or shfs (always worked fine for me) |
| 19:26.05 | helmut | moshii: would you be interested in writing some kind connection forwarding util over a set of unreliable connections? |
| 19:26.34 | helmut | moshii: a socks server could be run on the server side and the connection could then be forwarded. |
| 19:26.35 | AldoReset | hello i use xen on etch with kernel 2.6.18 but i have waiting for 769 and virtual machin won(t runs. |
| 19:26.39 | moshii | helmut: maybe, if there isn't anything else to do it |
| 19:26.56 | Guerin | AldoReset: #xen |
| 19:26.59 | helmut | moshii: this would break down the problem to a single connection. |
| 19:27.00 | AldoReset | ok |
| 19:27.04 | moshii | helmut: a bit like tor :) |
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| 19:27.23 | helmut | moshii: tor can be run on the other side. ;-) |
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| 19:28.02 | moshii | helmut: I'm not sure how it would be done, research time :) |
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| 19:28.20 | Gianpi-RosaneroL | hello |
| 19:28.29 | helmut | moshii: well there should be certain "transports" which should have an indication for "badness". |
| 19:28.57 | moshii | helmut: I also want to develope something that has 3 wireless cards, 2 are used for connection while the other is used as a monitor to chase out new aps should one of the current ones dies |
| 19:28.57 | helmut | moshii: some choosing algorithm would then choose transports (per packet) based on the badness. |
| 19:29.14 | helmut | moshii: cool. |
| 19:29.28 | Gianpi-RosaneroL | who can help me? |
| 19:29.50 | moshii | Gianpi-RosaneroL: no one can help unless you tell them what you need help with |
| 19:29.58 | ciop | can i repeat my question again? |
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| 19:30.22 | moshii | helmut: I'm not much of a linux/networking expert though :( |
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| 19:30.26 | Guerin | !ask |
| 19:30.26 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 19:30.37 | Gianpi-RosaneroL | i have problems with DSL... |
| 19:31.03 | Guerin | Gianpi-RosaneroL: your isp, or a livecd? |
| 19:31.20 | Gianpi-RosaneroL | installed in HD |
| 19:31.25 | helmut | moshii: doesn't matter. I know most things. |
| 19:31.39 | CharminTheMoose | Ginapi:ask me in #damnsmalllinux |
| 19:31.42 | helmut | moshii: query? |
| 19:32.18 | gkiagiad | does anybody know how to connect a debian system to a network without dhcp? I know the gateway and DNS server |
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| 19:32.33 | helmut | gkiagiad: man interfaces |
| 19:32.42 | moshii | helmut: I know there is a linksys VPN router that can do this sort of thing, and it probably runs linux |
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| 19:33.12 | moshii | helmut: my mate installed it in a cybercafe, in gibraltar there are two isp, both are crap |
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| 19:33.56 | moshii | helmut: the idea is that when one goes down the other is used, which works but the different ip address for the connections void any existing sessions |
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| 19:35.13 | cat | damn i wonder why my box is taking for ever to update |
| 19:35.22 | cat | It is possible that the compressed file(s) have become corrupted. |
| 19:35.23 | cat | You can use the -tvv option to test integrity of such files. |
| 19:35.23 | cat | You can use the `bzip2recover' program to attempt to recover |
| 19:35.23 | cat | data from undamaged sections of corrupted files. |
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| 19:35.32 | cat | darn it |
| 19:35.40 | helmut | moshii: I cannot use such an approach. |
| 19:35.57 | cat | bzip2recover 1.0.3: extracts blocks from damaged .bz2 files. |
| 19:35.57 | cat | bzip2recover: usage is `bzip2recover damaged_file_name'. restrictions on size of recovered file: None |
| 19:36.00 | helmut | moshii: You simply cannot use ipv4 and when that fails connect (everything) via ipv6. |
| 19:36.00 | cat | any ideas? |
| 19:36.36 | moshii | helmut: we need something like a hacked up tor |
| 19:37.06 | moshii | helmut: route packets out of either interface to an exitpoint |
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| 19:37.41 | A300 | how can one use the deb packages from one box on another? dpkg --set|get selections isnt precisely what i wanted (2nd box has slow internet access, the debs can be moved over via LAN from the 1st box that gets to travel to a faster connection) |
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| 19:38.05 | helmut | moshii: does tor work with ipv6? ;-) |
| 19:38.11 | Guerin | A300: apt-move, or just copying the packages from /var/cache/apt/archives on one to the other |
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| 19:39.04 | A300 | I do copy them, then tried apt-get install package, no go tried to dl, so i came here, was told dpkg, it to wants ot dl, i will research apt-move |
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| 19:39.56 | moshii | helmut: not sure, but it wouldn't matter if the original traffic was transported over ipv4 as long as it exited as ipv6 |
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| 19:42.05 | random_user | hi.. I'm getting some strange things with the new compiz packet 0.2.2-1 |
| 19:42.08 | CharminTheMoose | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:42.32 | random_user | When I magnify a window, I get a black content |
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| 19:45.18 | quiet | debian supplies compiz? |
| 19:45.28 | A300 | Guerin, looks like apt-move will do it, but what about the straight copy method? what do you do after to copy them over? |
| 19:45.29 | quiet | must be sid? |
| 19:45.30 | random_user | quiet: yes |
| 19:45.40 | Guerin | A300: run apt-get update |
| 19:45.53 | random_user | quiet: yes, sid. But I'm getting a bug with the new package |
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| 19:46.18 | quiet | kidding. |
| 19:46.36 | random_user | ;) the package 0.2 used to work, until yesterday |
| 19:46.46 | A300 | Guerin, aptget update, apt-get isntall package still wants to dl from the net |
| 19:46.47 | mutante | punani? |
| 19:46.56 | mutante | !seen punani |
| 19:46.56 | dpkg | mutante: i haven't seen 'punani' |
| 19:47.07 | quiet | i assume you've used this: http://wiki.debian.org/Compiz ? |
| 19:47.11 | mutante | dpkg: apt-move? |
| 19:47.12 | dpkg | apt-move is, like, THE (wrong) WAY to keep a set of debian machines running the same distribution up to date, since you only have to download the software once, and then put it on e.g. an ftp server. this is the wrong way to do this, see apt-proxy |
| 19:47.17 | Guerin | A300: then the package available on the net is newer, or higher in pin priority |
| 19:47.22 | Guerin | A300: man apt_preferences |
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| 19:47.46 | atula | hi. is xinerama installed by default in sarge? |
| 19:48.05 | A300 | Guerin, AH! no one said anything about needing to pin |
| 19:48.28 | stew | atula: no, x isnt' installed by default, but xinerama is installed when you install x |
| 19:48.47 | Guerin | A300: you may not necessarily need to. |
| 19:48.57 | atula | stew, I got XFree86 4.3... xinerama is installed with that, right? |
| 19:49.04 | Guerin | A300: but if you're running something that's not stable, which changes with time, well... |
| 19:49.06 | stew | atula: yes |
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| 19:49.41 | atula | stew, I read their wiki... but not quite understand the concept... xinerama is an extension of X... not an app, right? |
| 19:49.47 | A300 | Guerin, na this would be frozen so that both boxes match in packages at all times |
| 19:49.57 | stew | atula: right |
| 19:50.00 | A300 | the 2nd box is a fresh install (from the same cd as the 1st) |
| 19:50.22 | A300 | but the first has a few hundred megs of stuff from the net that is needed on the 2nd box, but its on dialup |
| 19:50.47 | A300 | wish i could jsut do apt-get install package --target-package |
| 19:52.05 | Guerin | A300: you can do dpkg -i * |
| 19:52.18 | stew | atula: basically, x allows you to have multiple separate screens attached. without xinerama they are completely separate, like if you start an app on one screen, you cannot move it to the other. with xinerama it combines the two screens into 1 larger virtual screen where you can move windows easily from one screen to another or have a window straddle two |
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| 19:52.27 | dondelelcaro | you can also use apt-ftparchive to build a local archive if you want to do something more useful. |
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| 19:53.35 | Eclipser | any idea when iceweasel will be available on sid? |
| 19:54.02 | craigevil | just grab the gnu.org version works great |
| 19:54.11 | stew | craigevil: that's something different |
| 19:54.17 | random_user | Eclipser: icedove is avaible |
| 19:54.22 | Eclipser | random_user, I know |
| 19:54.28 | Eclipser | iceweasel isn't :) |
| 19:54.35 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:54.36 | dpkg | i heard qotd149 is <goccia> anyway : what it is most important to me is getting three times in a row a y/n question doing the libc6 install-dance and watching a stopping starting done daemon sequence ending in perfection: whoever has done this, i mean a three questions in a row, well is a great person |
| 19:54.45 | craigevil | yeah i know , the debian version is just going to be a rename for firefox |
| 19:54.58 | A300 | Guerin, bingo! ty ty |
| 19:56.15 | cat | is there any bug on bzip2 in sid? |
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| 20:03.30 | dondelelcaro | cat: you can check the bts just as well as anyone else can... |
| 20:03.38 | cat | right |
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| 20:05.32 | random_user | so, anyone using compiz 0.2.2 here? |
| 20:05.40 | random_user | from sid? |
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| 20:05.55 | random_user | with the nvidia drivers? |
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| 20:10.04 | eeyore- | random_user: nvidia + beryl |
| 20:10.54 | random_user | eeyore-: mmm I'm getting an error with compiz |
| 20:10.54 | eeyore- | (which is a compiz fork) |
| 20:10.55 | eeyore- | random_user: and what is that error? |
| 20:11.27 | random_user | no I have a problem with the 0.2.2 package |
| 20:11.30 | sohmestra | is there a way to "blacklist" a given package so that it never gets installed? |
| 20:11.40 | random_user | which appeared in sid yesterday |
| 20:11.59 | random_user | eeyore-: when I maximize a window, I get a black content |
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| 20:13.02 | random_user | eeyore-: I'm not sure if it's a problem of compiz or of the NVIDIA drivers |
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| 20:13.48 | eeyore- | random_user: yeah, that's a rather common bug. try minimize it again, and maximize it again. some sort of race. |
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| 20:13.54 | Icb3a | DEBIAN POWER !!! |
| 20:13.55 | Icb3a | :=) |
| 20:14.05 | eeyore- | random_user: or, unmaximize it, move it around a little, maximize it ... |
| 20:14.12 | random_user | eeyore-: a common bug? of the nvidia driver? |
| 20:14.13 | eeyore- | random_user: best characterized as "finicky" |
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| 20:14.20 | eeyore- | random_user: no idea |
| 20:14.32 | mutante | googled "iceweasel for windows" just for the heck of it |
| 20:14.37 | random_user | yes I'mtrying maximizing and reducing window, but it happen too frequently |
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| 20:14.53 | random_user | eeyore-: ok thanks.. I will search inn google for it ;) |
| 20:15.04 | eeyore- | random_user: yeah, the "maximize" feature seems to behave that way under beryl sometimes as well. so, who knows :-) it's a beta driver after all |
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| 20:15.42 | random_user | eeyore-: the new NVIDIA driver are out from yesterday |
| 20:15.54 | eeyore- | random_user: 9626? |
| 20:16.07 | random_user | eeyore-: http://happypenguin.org/show?NVIDIA%20Linux%20Display%20Driver |
| 20:16.17 | random_user | yes, 9629 |
| 20:16.26 | random_user | they are not in debian yet |
| 20:16.34 | eeyore- | oooh. 9629 ... drool. will try it tonight |
| 20:16.55 | random_user | I get another error from hte 9625 sometimes |
| 20:17.05 | craigevil | is 9629 a beta like 9626? |
| 20:17.09 | Ferret | Ahhh, bugger... think I'll remove 'weasel' from my highlights. |
| 20:17.20 | random_user | at login, I get a blank screend instead of gdm |
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| 20:17.40 | random_user | craigevil: I don't know |
| 20:18.27 | FoX44 | hello :) |
| 20:18.39 | random_user | anyway, actually almost every window gives me this 'finicky' effect |
| 20:18.42 | ma3x | ov 7 17:59:15 ma3x kernel: parport: PnPBIOS parport detected. |
| 20:18.42 | ma3x | Nov 7 17:59:15 ma3x kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 7, dma 0 [PCSPP,TRISTATE,COMPAT,ECP,DMA] |
| 20:18.42 | ma3x | Nov 7 17:59:15 ma3x kernel: lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven). |
| 20:18.53 | ma3x | I get these messages at boot up, and it gets stuck for 2 mins |
| 20:18.59 | ma3x | how do I stop it? |
| 20:19.07 | ma3x | I tried specifying noapic, but it's no use |
| 20:19.15 | FoX44 | Where i can find the CD Images for the 3.1r4 ? |
| 20:19.35 | random_user | ma3x: no clue.. have you recompiled the kernel by yourself? |
| 20:19.48 | ma3x | noo |
| 20:19.51 | nvz | FoX44: cdimage.debian.org maybe if there is such a thing |
| 20:19.53 | ma3x | why would I recompile it myself? |
| 20:20.00 | nvz | FoX44: www.debian.org/CD |
| 20:20.17 | random_user | ma3x: to avoid this kind of errors, maybe ;) |
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| 20:20.45 | random_user | ma3x: have you tried in debian.org/bugs? |
| 20:20.45 | earthian | hello |
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| 20:21.17 | earthian | is anybody aware of a grave bug of Xorg/gdm in current etch ???? |
| 20:21.22 | FoX44 | <nvz> there is justthe 3.1r3 images |
| 20:21.43 | amphi | earthian: see the bts |
| 20:21.46 | earthian | i can not logout, shutdown, restart, swtich to ttyX consoles!!! |
| 20:21.58 | earthian | entire computer locks |
| 20:22.03 | random_user | earthian: maybe |
| 20:22.09 | random_user | with the nvidia drivers? |
| 20:22.18 | earthian | even sshd locks.. because a connection from remote computer goes down |
| 20:22.19 | random_user | the experimental ones? |
| 20:22.22 | cat | where is the packages.gz located it at? |
| 20:22.24 | nvz | FoX44: you of course realize it doesnt matter.. I dont know for sure that there is even an r4 yet. |
| 20:22.26 | earthian | i have latest fglrx |
| 20:22.26 | cat | in /var/apt/cache? |
| 20:22.47 | random_user | earthian: I have a similar problem but with nvidia |
| 20:22.56 | random_user | earthian: do you have compiz installed? |
| 20:23.00 | earthian | no |
| 20:23.12 | nvz | FoX44: but in anycase each r isnt a whole new release just a few security fixes for some packages.. and that will take up maybe at most 1 of the 14 cds.. the rest are all the same since the original release. |
| 20:23.19 | random_user | I get a blank screen |
| 20:23.25 | random_user | I can see only the cursor |
| 20:23.26 | earthian | my monitor turns off |
| 20:23.36 | earthian | like if computer was off |
| 20:23.37 | cat | anyone here knows where i can find the packages.gz? please |
| 20:23.38 | sohmestra | earthian: can you ssh in? |
| 20:23.42 | nvz | FoX44: not only that but if you are installing offline security isnt that much of an issue, and if you are online you dont need the cds anyhow you can just update what you USE on the internet |
| 20:23.43 | random_user | earthian: neither the cursor? |
| 20:23.45 | wireddd | is there a way I can switch a partition from primary to logical? |
| 20:23.45 | earthian | sohmestra, no |
| 20:23.56 | earthian | nothing works after that! |
| 20:23.57 | wireddd | without looseing data |
| 20:24.05 | random_user | cat: what are you saying? |
| 20:24.15 | cat | random_user: the packages.gz where is it located it at? |
| 20:24.17 | cat | in what dir |
| 20:24.25 | slept | how can i get my ipw3945 wireless to work ? |
| 20:24.39 | random_user | cat: in a debian repository? |
| 20:24.42 | cat | yeap |
| 20:24.47 | earthian | cat, packages.gz is located on server |
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| 20:24.56 | earthian | why you need it anyway? |
| 20:25.03 | cat | random_user: i know that it is located it, in you're hd some where |
| 20:25.07 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:25.07 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:25.08 | random_user | cat: you should read debian-reference |
| 20:25.11 | sohmestra | cat: find / -iname packages.gz |
| 20:25.22 | earthian | !bts |
| 20:25.22 | dpkg | somebody said bts was the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 20:25.31 | bitsmart0 | hello, I have a debian related question |
| 20:26.05 | earthian | !question |
| 20:26.05 | dpkg | You don't need to prefix your questions with "Question:" or "I have a question:". See <ask>. |
| 20:26.14 | earthian | !ask |
| 20:26.14 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 20:26.22 | earthian | :D |
| 20:26.30 | FoX44 | <nvz>ok, thanks |
| 20:26.36 | sohmestra | bitsmart0: we may have some debian related answers. however, your question and our answers may not match. only way to find out is to try. |
| 20:26.54 | bitsmart0 | righto. I have a problem with trying to build the source for my wireless card based on the rt2500 chipset |
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| 20:27.40 | bitsmart0 | I typed module-assistant install auto-install rt2500-source |
| 20:27.46 | bitsmart0 | and got this error: |
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| 20:28.26 | bitsmart0 | dh_clean: cannot read debian/ control: No such file or directory |
| 20:29.25 | bitsmart0 | so am I missing a pkg required to build? |
| 20:31.40 | dondelelcaro | bitsmart0: no, it means that you ran debian/rules from the wrong directory. |
| 20:32.10 | dondelelcaro | (or the debian/control has been deleted or something else is wrong) |
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| 20:32.41 | bitsmart0 | ah. which directory should I run the command "module-assistant auto-install rt2500-source" from? |
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| 20:34.34 | ma3x | can anyone help about this lp0 stuck problem please? |
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| 20:36.01 | ma3x | I dont even have a printer |
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| 20:36.53 | ma3x | ma3x:/home/ma3x# echo "test" >/dev/lp0 |
| 20:36.54 | ma3x | parport0: BUSY timeout (-4) in compat_write_block_pio |
| 20:37.26 | abrotman | why are you messing with lp0 if you don't have a printer? |
| 20:37.38 | blondie | abrotman: stop stealing my thoughts :( |
| 20:37.43 | cr3 | when I plug a USB device, /var/log/messages reports: scsi0 : SCSI emulation for USB Mass Storage devices |
| 20:37.55 | ma3x | abrotman: I DONT! it's just fscking there |
| 20:38.07 | abrotman | don't load the module ? |
| 20:38.07 | cr3 | when I unplug and replug the USB device, the number in "scsi0" keeps incrementing, why is that? |
| 20:38.13 | ma3x | abrotman: what module?? |
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| 20:39.26 | Bhavesh | you know i started getting that similar msg on my machine right after I rebooted but i dont' remember changing anything in kernel |
| 20:39.46 | ma3x | let me try blacklist it |
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| 20:40.24 | h4ere | hi |
| 20:40.25 | Parhelion | I was hoping someone could recommend a good curses-style bandwidth monitor if such a thing exists. Specifically I'm lookin for a good way to find out what applications on my network might be taking up bandwidth |
| 20:40.34 | Parhelion | i.e. if someone is using too many torrents or the like |
| 20:40.42 | tarzeau | Parhelion: iptraf ? |
| 20:40.50 | h4ere | iftop? is great |
| 20:40.59 | delire | yep, that's a good suggestion. |
| 20:41.10 | daqqal | iptraf |
| 20:41.41 | quiet | bmon is nice. |
| 20:42.04 | quiet | just for bandwidth tough |
| 20:42.12 | quiet | iptraf is much more feature rich. |
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| 20:44.01 | Arwen | maybe this doesn't belong here - but I just installed the azureus-gcj package... but what do I do with it? |
| 20:44.44 | asg | Arwen: dpkg -L <pkg> ; /usr/share/doc/<pkg> |
| 20:44.54 | Miesco | Does rxvt use colors like xterm? |
| 20:45.00 | asg | Miesco: yes |
| 20:45.21 | Arwen | asg, no docs |
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| 20:45.50 | asg | Arwen: what debian version? |
| 20:45.52 | xirjs | what settings do i need to mount a drive like an usbstick as a normal user ... ? |
| 20:46.08 | Arwen | asg, err.. not entirely sure? |
| 20:46.11 | asg | xirjs: /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 20:46.16 | asg | Arwen: cat /etc/debian_version |
| 20:46.31 | Miesco | asg: Is there a page were it shows all the escape colors |
| 20:46.37 | asg | Miesco: man dircolors |
| 20:46.56 | Miesco | asg: No i mean like "\033[0;40;32m" |
| 20:47.11 | Arwen | asg, um, 3.1 |
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| 20:48.01 | ma3x | I fixed the damn lp0 problem |
| 20:48.05 | ma3x | it was discover1 causing it |
| 20:48.09 | ma3x | removed discover, disappeared |
| 20:48.10 | asg | Miesco: well, google for ansi escape sequences or similar. |
| 20:48.15 | amphi | Miesco: man console_codes IIRC |
| 20:48.20 | asg | !info azureus-gcj |
| 20:48.35 | asg | !info azureus-gcj sarge |
| 20:48.58 | asg | Arwen: the package doesn't exist in Debian, where did you get it? |
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| 20:49.02 | ma3x | azureus sucks |
| 20:49.04 | amphi | asg: there is such a thing? I thought azureus was very strict in its demands for sun java |
| 20:49.25 | Arwen | amphi, it runs on gcj... as of 2.5 |
| 20:49.39 | Arwen | asg, google, lol |
| 20:49.53 | asg | amphi: no clue. He appears to be talking about a package that doesn't appear to exist in sarge |
| 20:49.56 | amphi | Arwen: I didn't know that - I had abandoned it for rtorrent a good while back |
| 20:50.07 | Arwen | well, bye |
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| 20:50.17 | xirjs | spike: /dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat defaults,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002 0 0 |
| 20:50.21 | xirjs | should look like this in /etc/fstab right? |
| 20:51.09 | ktwilight | dpkg-reconfigure locales hangs when configuring zh_CN.GB18030, does that mean it doesn't have the right locales? or...? |
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| 20:52.10 | Parhelion | Oh! Sorry, those who replied to my question about a bandwidth monitor thanks, i'll give em a try |
| 20:52.28 | asg | Miesco: http://tldp.org/HOWTO/Bash-Prompt-HOWTO/c327.html |
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| 20:52.35 | Parhelion | (Just noticed someone was trying to brute force my proftpd so I got distracted :( ) |
| 20:53.39 | quiet | can someone running etch with static IP (preferably also a virtual IP) pastebin their interfaces file? mine seems to be fine, except i can't get any network connectivity.. |
| 20:54.15 | quiet | my resolv.conf is correct, too. |
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| 20:55.48 | gnube | I am having a bit of trouble with NFS since my /proc/fs/nfs/exports file refuses to be populated by exportfs. Has anyone a remedy? |
| 20:55.48 | quiet | strange thing is that I can still ssh to the machine without an issue. |
| 20:57.24 | quiet | here is my /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 20:57.24 | quiet | http://rafb.net/paste/results/8Snwa853.html |
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| 20:58.08 | quiet | d'oh!! gateway is wrong. |
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| 20:58.36 | FromTO | is there a utility that syncronizes two different installations of thuderbird. |
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| 20:59.18 | valdyn | FromTO: maybe rsync, not sure this can be done safely at all |
| 20:59.51 | valdyn | FromTO: maybe you just want to use an imap server as proxy for this |
| 21:01.04 | FromTO | valdyn: rsync will replace the inbox because the timestamps are different and therefore will update. imap is a possibility |
| 21:01.11 | gnube | FromTO, Are you trying to make sure you have the same version of Thunderbird on two machines or do you want your mail to be the same in both places? |
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| 21:01.20 | Archdevil | part |
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| 21:01.37 | quiet | *sigh* still not working. |
| 21:02.07 | gnube | FromTO, You can choose to leave mail on the server and then access from two different places with pop or imap |
| 21:02.09 | abrotman | FromTO: IMAP |
| 21:02.43 | gnube | abrotman, POP can work for that as well . |
| 21:02.56 | abrotman | gnube: imap is better .. leaps and bounds better |
| 21:02.56 | gnube | But you are probably right, IMAP is best. |
| 21:03.03 | abrotman | especially with maildir! |
| 21:03.12 | gnube | Yeah, just a tiny bit hard to set up. |
| 21:03.19 | gnube | Yeah, maildir is the better format |
| 21:03.48 | gnube | I should know never to question abrotman. |
| 21:03.54 | delire | speaking of mail transport, what's a good alternative to Exim these days, for a machine with just one user account running fetchmail to grab, SMTP to send? |
| 21:04.08 | valdyn | delire: ssmtp |
| 21:04.09 | gnube | delire, I think exim is perfect for that |
| 21:04.27 | valdyn | delire: then there's a mta that uses user-specific configuration |
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| 21:04.40 | delire | gnube: i just tried to install exim4 and found it far too excessive. |
| 21:04.42 | asg | delire: ssmtp or nullmailer would be sufficient |
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| 21:04.54 | valdyn | delire: esmtp is neat |
| 21:04.55 | gnube | delire, Yeah, it is a hairy beast. |
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| 21:05.26 | abrotman | delire: postfix |
| 21:05.29 | cyberquiet | hi, I have a problem. I can't set module parameters via sysfs, is there an alternative way? thanks |
| 21:05.29 | w0rd54 | nullmailer and ssmtp suck....I used nail and it's easy as heck to setup |
| 21:05.30 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 21:05.37 | delire | gnube: tis true, i hear it screaming from the mountain at night. |
| 21:05.41 | FromTO | gnube, abortman, valdyn, thanks. Have you guys heard about Synching thunder http://synchingthunder.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:05.41 | valdyn | !suck |
| 21:05.41 | dpkg | hmm... suck is an NNTP client for pulling articles from a remote news server and feeding them to your local news server |
| 21:05.52 | abrotman | FromTO: no .. ask on irc.mozilla.org |
| 21:05.57 | delire | hmm.. i've never heard of 'nail' |
| 21:06.03 | FromTO | abortman: thanks |
| 21:06.24 | valdyn | FromTO: i dont use tb, to slow for huge mboxes |
| 21:06.26 | gnube | um ... abrotman |
| 21:06.32 | gnube | is what you want to write. |
| 21:06.40 | gnube | not abort man |
| 21:06.41 | moshii | mutt is all you need |
| 21:06.55 | gnube | moshii, mutt doesn't do mail transfer |
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| 21:07.11 | moshii | gnube: I meant as a client |
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| 21:08.02 | moshii | gnube: the -light version of exim is enough for most people also |
| 21:08.04 | grndslm | is there a command for printing my processor name/type to the screen? |
| 21:08.10 | gnube | exportfs is not playing nice with /proc/fs/nfs/exports, it will not write to the file and exports are failing. |
| 21:08.12 | asg | grndslm: uname -a |
| 21:08.24 | moshii | grndslm: cat /proc/cpuinfo for more details |
| 21:08.27 | asg | grndslm: sorry, cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 21:08.32 | abrotman | gnube: i highlight on it .. it's a frequent mishap :) |
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| 21:08.51 | vladi_ | hi, is it worth having an imap proxy on a webmail server who is also hosting the mail server? Will it still aleviate? |
| 21:08.54 | grndslm | asg, k...cuz i knew it wasn't uname, as i already tried that... |
| 21:09.03 | gnube | abrotman, I figured. |
| 21:10.01 | abrotman | gnube: as is abotman (which i don't highlight on) |
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| 21:10.53 | gnube | a bot man. hmm |
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| 21:11.54 | delire | gnube: the added 'r' is just to throw you off the trail. |
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| 21:12.19 | _fjh_ | Hi I have some fonts messed up in debinan/testing. 'emacs' shows only empty squares and 'ddd' is extremly ugly. Where to start fixing this? |
| 21:13.41 | abrotman | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
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| 21:14.48 | _fjh_ | abrotman, was this a hint for me? |
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| 21:16.34 | abrotman | maybe :) |
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| 21:17.43 | unseensoul | hi |
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| 21:19.20 | SkareCrow | crap |
| 21:19.29 | SkareCrow | its official, i hate valve |
| 21:19.34 | abrotman | OT! |
| 21:19.53 | SkareCrow | hello reZo |
| 21:20.30 | quiet | I'm not too happy with faucet either. |
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| 21:21.12 | SkareCrow | i can find the doc for Counter Strike Source Engine Query reply format for A2S_INFO but I cant find it for Counter Strike 1.6 |
| 21:21.40 | SkareCrow | this is going to be a bigger pain in the arse then i thought |
| 21:22.07 | SkareCrow | this application will only support CS-Source, CS-1.6, and CS-CZ |
| 21:22.21 | unseensoul | i've installed apache with php support, but everytime i try to run a script. the browser asks to download the file, why? i've already added the line AddType app...php in apache's conf? |
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| 21:22.29 | unseensoul | s/?/. |
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| 21:23.40 | blondie | unseensoul: did you try a different PHP script? |
| 21:23.52 | blondie | and empty your browser's cache (if it's Firefox) |
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| 21:23.58 | _fjh_ | abrotman, I reconfigured locales, but nothing changed. Cannot convert string "-*-courier-medium-r-*... to type FontStruct and only empty boxes. Why did you suspect locales? |
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| 21:24.31 | abrotman | _fjh_: thought it was trying to display UTF8 stuff |
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| 21:25.27 | unseensoul | blondie: didn't work :s |
| 21:25.33 | unseensoul | abrotman: could you help me? :P |
| 21:25.36 | ma3x | apache2 broken |
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| 21:25.59 | abrotman | unseensoul: do i look like a god ? |
| 21:26.06 | vtakje | how do I move all files in subfolders in directory foo to a new directory? |
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| 21:26.15 | blondie | unseensoul: did you restart apache after installing libapache-mod-php4/5? |
| 21:26.25 | unseensoul | abrotman: lol |
| 21:26.31 | unseensoul | blondie: yes :) |
| 21:26.35 | grendal_prime | im having one hell of a time setting up for testing |
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| 21:26.51 | abrotman | unseensoul: clear cache .. restart browser .. try again |
| 21:26.54 | _fjh_ | abrotman, ok. The initial scratch buffer of emacs looked always quite ASCII, but I would not how UTF8 looks. |
| 21:26.57 | abrotman | grendal_prime: netinst still busted i think |
| 21:27.08 | blondie | UTF8 looks foreign |
| 21:27.08 | abrotman | _fjh_: what did you pick as your default locale ? |
| 21:27.12 | grendal_prime | i just get hugo error o |
| 21:27.20 | blondie | grendal_prime: yes it is. |
| 21:27.29 | grendal_prime | thats my mexiforinan |
| 21:27.33 | grendal_prime | well hmm |
| 21:27.46 | maxxle | I'm playing around with some mimetypes. I created a file called 'hello.abc'. There is no application associated with this type. So I choose one for it. I get a mimetype-file created for it in ~/.local/share/application/. The question is, where that new mimetype gets it's Icon from? At the moment it's a textapplication-Icon |
| 21:27.47 | grendal_prime | sooooooo i wanted to put in ...the testing version of qemu |
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| 21:27.50 | unseensoul | abrotman: the same |
| 21:27.51 | _fjh_ | abrotman, I tried 'NONE' and de_DE |
| 21:27.56 | gui | salut |
| 21:28.07 | abrotman | de_DE.UTF8 ? |
| 21:28.13 | abrotman | _fjh_: or fix your fonts |
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| 21:28.40 | abrotman | fonts really suck |
| 21:28.48 | blondie | !fr |
| 21:28.49 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 21:29.02 | gui | j'ai besoin d'aide pour une dcision onreuse je voudrais acqurir un moniteur 30" dell es que vous pensez que a serait compatible linux au niveau d'une carte dual DVI ? et es que qq ce genre de matos dans la salle tt hasard ? |
| 21:29.09 | blondie | !fr |
| 21:29.09 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 21:29.24 | daqqal | !urdu |
| 21:29.35 | grendal_prime | im gettin werid error from el security updataes O server as well |
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| 21:29.41 | blondie | grendal_prime: it's broken |
| 21:29.47 | grendal_prime | o |
| 21:29.47 | gui | sorry :) |
| 21:29.50 | grendal_prime | well fuck |
| 21:29.52 | grendal_prime | ooops |
| 21:29.52 | unseensoul | i'll reinstall it :P |
| 21:30.03 | grendal_prime | sorry did i type that or just think it? |
| 21:30.05 | blondie | grendal_prime: netinst for etch = b0rked. |
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| 21:30.10 | gui | I just want to know if a dell monitor with 30 inch will be full compatible under linux ? |
| 21:30.17 | abrotman | i said that already! |
| 21:30.19 | abrotman | gui: should be |
| 21:30.25 | gui | and if there is somebody in the room who test this device ? |
| 21:30.25 | daqqal | etch is x64? |
| 21:30.26 | blondie | gui: don't see why not.... |
| 21:30.27 | abrotman | gui: if not .. send it to me :) |
| 21:30.31 | grendal_prime | is there a newsletter i can subscribe to for that information? |
| 21:30.33 | _fjh_ | abrotman, no it offered only 'de_DE' without extensions. How to fix fonts? |
| 21:30.37 | abrotman | grendal_prime: debian-devel-announce |
| 21:30.45 | valdyn | gui: monitors dont need support |
| 21:30.50 | abrotman | _fjh_: i don't play with fonts .. i use the system font pretty much everywhere |
| 21:30.51 | abrotman | !fonts |
| 21:30.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, fonts is check http://www.nwalsh.com/comp.fonts/FAQ/ for general info, ask me about <font guide>, or http://www.kegel.com/linux/tt.html and http://www.linux-mag.com/2000-02/guru_01.html or http://linuxgazette.net/issue96/adam.html, or http://egads.ertius.org/~rob/font_guide.txt |
| 21:30.54 | grendal_prime | do i just yell that reall loud |
| 21:30.55 | valdyn | gui: ( by the OS ) |
| 21:30.58 | abrotman | and tha'ts probably out of date |
| 21:30.59 | gui | ok |
| 21:31.11 | grendal_prime | loud or is there a website? |
| 21:31.14 | abrotman | grendal_prime: debian-devel-announce |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | list! |
| 21:31.20 | blondie | grendal_prime: it's a mailing list. |
| 21:31.20 | abrotman | !list |
| 21:31.20 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to abrotman |
| 21:31.26 | abrotman | dansushi: TURN THAT OFF |
| 21:31.38 | blondie | what he do? :o |
| 21:31.43 | gui | and I can see nvidia 7 aren't supported for linux I want to know if a 7950 GT TDH is belong to the 7 serie ? |
| 21:31.45 | abrotman | blondie: try a !list |
| 21:31.50 | blondie | !list |
| 21:31.50 | dpkg | one warez list being sent to blondie |
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| 21:32.51 | blondie | dpkg: you were correct |
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| 21:34.26 | valdyn | gui0: why would you think that? |
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| 21:35.13 | gui0 | I just have a look on nvidia.com drivers for linux I'm not sure about the supported drivers for a 7950 GT TDH leadtek |
| 21:35.27 | valdyn | gui0: i suggest you go to www.nvidia.com and read the README |
| 21:35.44 | gui0 | mmm ok |
| 21:36.17 | _fjh_ | abrotman, I followed the last link some months ago and was happy. Now emacs and ddd is kaputt and others like emacs-snapshot-gtk work ok. Do these apps use different font selection mechanism? I think I will have to read the other pointers too, or? |
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| 21:39.14 | jfm3 | Hello #debian. |
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| 21:40.23 | ayaa | is there any web site to consult the "unstable" branch packages |
| 21:40.35 | gui0 | GeForce Go 7900 gs is ok ... but not the 7950 apparently |
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| 21:40.59 | valdyn | gui0: i do doubt that 7950 is really a different cheap, but ask your vendor |
| 21:41.08 | valdyn | gui0: s/cheap/chip/ |
| 21:41.29 | gui0 | I just have a see in this url : http://download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/1.0-8776/README/appendix-a.html |
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| 21:43.10 | abrotman | _fjh_: they may very well |
| 21:43.37 | jfm3 | Sometime in the last two weeks, a new apache2 package appeared in our mirror. When we install it, things like ldap.loadd disappear. When we hack in an old ldap.load, apache2 seems to give up on ldap authentication and look at the passwd file. Is this a recently faq? |
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| 21:43.55 | abrotman | checked the bts ? |
| 21:44.12 | jfm3 | Yeah. Nothing obvious. |
| 21:45.23 | jfm3 | odd thing is apt-file shows apache2.2-common as having ldap.load, but it's not appearing on the system after we install and reinstall that package. |
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| 21:45.43 | ayaa | is there any web site to consult the "unstable" branch packages |
| 21:45.54 | valdyn | !sid faq |
| 21:45.55 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:46.02 | valdyn | ayaa: ^^^ |
| 21:46.11 | abrotman | jfm3: there are a lot of issues with new apache2.2 and older modules |
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| 21:46.20 | ayaa | !sid faq |
| 21:46.20 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 21:46.29 | _fjh_ | abrotman, maybe you sound like an oracle. I will start reading your pointers! Fonts are magic! |
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| 21:46.41 | abrotman | _fjh_: it's working now ? |
| 21:47.08 | tosh| | anyone know what could be wrong with a machine when you try to load debian (or knoppix, or dban) that the whole thing hangs right after "checking 'hlt' instruction..." |
| 21:47.09 | abrotman | _fjh_: does the document display correctly in other apps ? |
| 21:47.17 | DaBlade | Hello |
| 21:47.21 | DaBlade | I've got two questions: |
| 21:47.44 | DaBlade | A: Has splashy matured a bit since the last time I tried it, about a year ago? (Cause back then, I couldn't even get it to work, much less find any decent themes) |
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| 21:48.09 | DaBlade | B: How do I install the NVIDIA driver the Debian way, and how do I install AIGLX and beryl? |
| 21:48.20 | DaBlade | Ok, that's really more like three. |
| 21:48.21 | DaBlade | lol |
| 21:48.34 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 21:48.34 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 21:48.52 | DaBlade | abrotman: I just copy that? |
| 21:49.31 | abrotman | mostly |
| 21:50.06 | tosh| | blah, all google gives me about the "checking 'hlt' instruction" message are posts from 1995 and up. yikes. |
| 21:50.17 | DaBlade | abrotman: dpkg says nvidia was removed from etch. why? |
| 21:50.26 | abrotman | because it sucks? |
| 21:50.41 | DaBlade | Seriously... |
| 21:50.44 | abrotman | !why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 21:50.44 | dpkg | nvidia-glx is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-glx |
| 21:51.14 | flamesro1k | heres a question for you tech folk.. is it worth it to put 2 10k rpm drives in a raid? |
| 21:51.24 | flamesro1k | like will it may the computer go waaaay faster? |
| 21:51.35 | abrotman | which RAID level? |
| 21:51.41 | abrotman | and what kind of usage ? |
| 21:51.49 | _fjh_ | abrotman, no its still not working. 'The document' is a libusb based c-code. It displays well in an xterm using 'more', but not in my beloved editor or debugger. It compiles using gcc, but needs debugging. |
| 21:51.51 | tosh| | depends on the fs type as well |
| 21:51.58 | tosh| | and what you're doing with it, as abrotman said |
| 21:52.08 | flamesro1k | I dunno 0 |
| 21:52.12 | flamesro1k | just for home use |
| 21:52.13 | abrotman | the FS type isn't as much of a factor |
| 21:52.16 | gui0 | valdyn, thx |
| 21:52.17 | gui0 | bye all |
| 21:52.18 | abrotman | raid0 is NOT raid |
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| 21:52.27 | flamesro1k | raid-1 then? |
| 21:52.29 | tosh| | flamesro1k raid 0 is disk striping |
| 21:52.37 | flamesro1k | ahhhhh |
| 21:52.46 | tosh| | raid 1 is disk mirroring |
| 21:52.48 | abrotman | RAID0 is NOT raid |
| 21:52.54 | abrotman | in any way shape or form |
| 21:52.55 | tosh| | ;) |
| 21:52.58 | tosh| | true |
| 21:53.00 | flamesro1k | I mean I'm planning on building a new computer and I want it to be the best possible |
| 21:53.01 | tosh| | its not redundant |
| 21:53.07 | flamesro1k | within reason.. |
| 21:53.07 | abrotman | _fjh_: work in nvi or nano ? |
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| 21:53.37 | DJ-Marcuzz | hello |
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| 21:55.02 | DJ-Marcuzz | is there an way to lets say i start an download with wget to make it like an system process so i can log of and let someone else on the pc and log back on later an see the process, but that it doesn;t stop when i log of? |
| 21:55.18 | flamesro1k | screen wget? |
| 21:55.20 | abrotman | nohup |
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| 21:55.52 | DJ-Marcuzz | well, im a bit new so could you explain a little more detailt? |
| 21:56.16 | _fjh_ | abrotman, nano yes, nvi yes. |
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| 21:56.48 | flamesro1k | DJ-Marcuzz: |
| 21:56.58 | flamesro1k | apt-get screen |
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| 21:57.15 | flamesro1k | its a command lind program that creates a sort of virtual terminal |
| 21:57.46 | flamesro1k | butthen you send it to the background with ctrl-a-d |
| 21:57.53 | DJ-Marcuzz | flamesro1k, and that one will stay alive when i log of? |
| 21:58.07 | _fjh_ | How do I exit nvi, wasn't it ESC-ZZ? |
| 21:58.16 | DJ-Marcuzz | and how will i get back to the terminal? |
| 21:58.34 | DJ-Marcuzz | _fjh_, just ZZ |
| 21:58.44 | flamesro1k | yup |
| 21:58.50 | flamesro1k | to get it back |
| 21:58.52 | flamesro1k | screen -r |
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| 22:01.39 | abrotman | _fjh_: sounds like an emacs bug :) |
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| 22:02.00 | abrotman | _fjh_: probably because emacs has its own font rendering system :) |
| 22:02.05 | jfm3 | Hm. Is there a newer way than mod_ldap to do ldap authentication with the apache2.2 stuff from testing? |
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| 22:02.44 | DJ-Marcuzz | flamesro1k, cool but what if i open multiple screens, how do i get back to the right one? |
| 22:03.12 | jfm3 | This is just really strange. |
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| 22:04.19 | pickcoder | jfm3: nsswitch? |
| 22:05.36 | pickcoder | hm.. that probably still requires mod_ldap |
| 22:05.40 | ayaa | where to get repositorie links like ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian |
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| 22:06.13 | h3sp4wn | ayaa: you can use apt-spy |
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| 22:08.09 | mwe | I want to access a host on a different subnet but I can't ping it. How do you do that? |
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| 22:08.48 | g00se | Keep getting this: what gives? |
| 22:08.51 | _fjh_ | abrotman, maybe. I suspect the font "-*-courier-medium-r-*-*.." simply vanished from my system and each app using it has problems. |
| 22:08.59 | g00se | I: Checking whiptail... |
| 22:09.00 | g00se | I: Checking zlib1g... |
| 22:09.01 | g00se | I: Validating adduser |
| 22:09.03 | g00se | I: Validating apt |
| 22:09.04 | g00se | I: Validating apt-utils |
| 22:09.05 | abrotman | _fjh_: then have emacs use a different font .. |
| 22:09.06 | g00se | I: Validating aptitude |
| 22:09.08 | g00se | I: Validating at |
| 22:09.08 | abrotman | g00se: STOP |
| 22:09.09 | g00se | E: Couldn't download base-config |
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| 22:09.20 | abrotman | !paster |
| 22:09.20 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 22:09.40 | g00se | abrotman: i'm only doing 7 lines |
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| 22:09.50 | abrotman | more than four is being an ass |
| 22:09.55 | abrotman | more than two is IMO |
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| 22:10.12 | g00se | Sorry |
| 22:10.22 | EmleyMoor | If I get it production ready I'm even planning to wire PSTN into it |
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| 22:11.31 | chemaja | g00se, 7 lines? that's insane. i only did 2 lines on the weekend and it wrecked me. ;-) |
| 22:12.12 | g00se | OK - sorry guys. It's in paste now |
| 22:12.40 | g00se | chemaja: LOL |
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| 22:13.41 | Gr3g0ry | hello |
| 22:14.19 | Gr3g0ry | just a question, if I want to setup debian and service such as apache, php, mysql, and freeradius |
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| 22:14.25 | Gr3g0ry | which cd do I need ? |
| 22:14.32 | A300 | does the basic ftp with debian have a way to upload recursivly? |
| 22:15.11 | g00se | Still stopping at E: Couldn't download base-config |
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| 22:15.27 | user___ | Hi, does anybody knows how to store app database so the next instalation can have the same programs ? |
| 22:15.56 | g00se | Gr3g0ry: do you have no network connection? |
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| 22:16.18 | Mitja | Is nvidia in etch yet? |
| 22:16.24 | petemc | user___: /msg dpkg selections |
| 22:16.49 | Gr3g0ry | g00se: hum, I have, but I want to setup it in the school, and I cannot pass the school firewall for downloading, our stupid ISA proxy forbid to do anything else than print html pages... |
| 22:17.13 | Gr3g0ry | and I need basic system + httpd + php + mysql + freeradius + dialupadmin |
| 22:17.15 | A300 | Gr3g0ry, then you will need at least cd1 and 2 |
| 22:17.34 | Gr3g0ry | is there a way to check which software is on which cd ? |
| 22:17.52 | A300 | yes but i forget how (i want ot say um, redeam on the ftp) |
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| 22:18.02 | A300 | oh gee lovely typos |
| 22:18.11 | eck | how can i find out what version of debian a box is running? |
| 22:18.20 | grndslm | any advice for a "good value" linux-compatible scanner? |
| 22:18.20 | A300 | iirc the ftp/http where you get the iso's will have a package list |
| 22:18.24 | eck | is there a release file or something of that nature in /etc? |
| 22:18.24 | grndslm | eck, uname -a |
| 22:18.42 | eck | grndslm: it is a custom built kernel |
| 22:19.04 | A300 | can anyone sugest a cli ftp that has recursive uploading/downloading (or how the basic one does so) |
| 22:19.23 | Gr3g0ry | cat /etc/debian_version | head -n1 |
| 22:19.31 | Gr3g0ry | eck: cat /etc/debian_version | head -n1 |
| 22:20.17 | eck | Gr3g0ry: ah, thank you very much |
| 22:20.30 | Gr3g0ry | eck: you welcome |
| 22:20.36 | jfm3 | Okay, I found #397310. |
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| 22:21.18 | A300 | hello x_link |
| 22:21.19 | g00se | Gr3g0ry: how are you going to update your system - you don't want to be burning disks all the time? Maybe there's a way of proxying via multipart ... |
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| 22:21.46 | d0uglas | to unload a module, radeonfb in this case, it's modprobe -r foo, right? .. it's in use, it says |
| 22:21.55 | d0uglas | i don't have to reboot do i? |
| 22:21.55 | Gr3g0ry | g00se: I will use it only for a small network specilisation, I don't need to keep the system up2date |
| 22:21.58 | abrotman | so make it unused |
| 22:22.16 | abrotman | !tell Gr3g0ry about cd contents |
| 22:22.55 | A300 | hmm, i wonders |
| 22:23.02 | d0uglas | i'm wondering how to unuse a module that effects the console ttys without being logged in |
| 22:23.07 | A300 | !tell A300 about recursive ftp |
| 22:23.17 | Gr3g0ry | thx abrotman |
| 22:23.19 | A300 | awe no workie |
| 22:24.38 | d0uglas | if i ran screen in the console in framebuffer mode, is the geometry going to be the same when i screen -x in an xterm? is that why irc isn't fitting? |
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| 22:24.56 | d0uglas | .... ahh, man screen for geo settings.. n/m |
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| 22:32.29 | mwe | how do you access a host on a different subnet without changing your local ip? |
| 22:32.37 | kelan | is there a way to page through the results dpkg returns from listval and listkey queries? |
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| 22:33.27 | _fjh_ | mwe: ping ip-address? |
| 22:33.43 | dondelelcaro | kelan: no, unfortunatly. However, the database is publicly available, and there are web frontends. /msg dpkg your factoids |
| 22:33.53 | mwe | it doesn't respond unless I have a local ip on the same subnet, _fjh_ |
| 22:34.10 | kelan | ok, thanks dondelelcaro |
| 22:34.21 | mwe | _fjh_: I can't even ping it until I change the local ip |
| 22:34.46 | _fjh_ | mwe: did you setup a route? |
| 22:35.04 | mwe | _fjh_: I tried but I must have done it wrong |
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| 22:35.38 | g00se | debootstrap grinds to a halt after it validates aptitude and at with: >>E: Couldn't download base-config<< irrespective of url. What gives? |
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| 22:36.01 | mwe | _fjh_: 'route add -net 192.168.0.0 netmask 255.255.255.0 dev wlan0' is what I did |
| 22:36.35 | mwe | _fjh_: my own subnet is 10.12.56.0 and the host I'm trying to access is 192.168.0.211 |
| 22:37.15 | mwe | _fjh_: If I change the local ip to 192.168.0.10 for example it works but that is not a lasting solution |
| 22:37.24 | _fjh_ | mwe: did you switch your firewall off? Could it interfere? |
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| 22:37.42 | mwe | _fjh_: I did :| |
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| 22:39.19 | mwe | _fjh_: my the dsl router has some kind of firewall but I can't access that router. Is it supposed to work like I did it if there is no firewall issues? |
| 22:39.30 | mwe | _fjh_: maybe it does I mean |
| 22:39.53 | mwe | _fjh_: I mean I can access it but I'm not allowed to enter the config |
| 22:41.54 | mwe | I guess it's an issue with the router |
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| 22:42.36 | _fjh_ | mwe: I am always wondering about these netmasks and do not feel confident to say you did it ok. |
| 22:42.50 | mwe | hmm |
| 22:42.51 | GoorE | do i need to configure bootp relay agent on the linux router if i have a client connected to it and a server with dhcp+tftp ? |
| 22:44.10 | mwe | _fjh_: normally you should be able to at least ping hosts on another network, shouldn't you. unless the network is firewalled? |
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| 22:45.59 | mwe | well thanks |
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| 22:46.17 | k31th | Anyone know how to open a new tab in gnome-terminal i need to script this, as I am making a ssh connect script i want a new session to open a new tab. |
| 22:46.28 | mirak | is their a way to step into a bash script ? |
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| 22:47.13 | stew | mirak: i dunno about stepping, but putting "set -x" at the top of a script will make it say exactly what it is doing which is helpful for debugging |
| 22:47.24 | mirak | ok |
| 22:47.26 | mirak | thanks |
| 22:47.28 | _fjh_ | mwe, what I remember is that the inverted netmask is combined via AND with the ip adresss of your target. if this is true your setup should not work. |
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| 22:49.10 | _fjh_ | mwe, could you try setting up a route -host to your target host? |
| 22:49.23 | pickcoder | mwe: did you add a default gw for that 192 subnet? |
| 22:49.43 | pickcoder | b/c packets for 192 should not go out 10.X |
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| 22:50.27 | GoorE | what's the difference between dhcp3-relay and dhcp-relay |
| 22:51.50 | dondelelcaro | GoorE: 2.0 vs 3.0; you want dhcp3-relay. |
| 22:54.47 | g00se | mwe: afaik the first address should be the network *number* of the foreign subnet and the second 'your' default gateway |
| 22:54.57 | pickcoder | gah.. he left |
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| 22:55.14 | pickcoder | the problem was problaby no default gateway for that subnet |
| 22:55.58 | GoorE | is there a switch for update-rc.d that shows in what run levels a service starts? |
| 22:56.29 | pickcoder | GoorE: sysv-rc-conf |
| 22:56.37 | pickcoder | if you want to tweak run-levels |
| 22:56.52 | pickcoder | direct answer: I have no idea. I manually edit rc.d |
| 22:57.38 | deadcat | wonder what the status of beryl.. |
| 22:57.57 | deadcat | or do we give a crap? |
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| 22:58.03 | Sputn1ck | hi |
| 22:58.30 | Sputn1ck | is there something like escputil for a lexmarx printer ? |
| 22:58.54 | Sputn1ck | (set heads of printer) |
| 22:59.29 | pickcoder | Sputn1ck: dot matrix? |
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| 23:00.34 | GoorE | dondelelcaro: i am still using the old ver 2 client any disadvatages |
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| 23:01.36 | dondelelcaro | GoorE: well, not really; but it's really old. All of the interesting features are in v3. |
| 23:02.03 | dondelelcaro | 'course, for small networks, you probably don't care about those features |
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| 23:02.16 | Sputn1ck | pickcoder, when I print some lines, there's some "stairs" |
| 23:02.39 | g3brown | I'm setting up remote ssh access. I sometimes see people refer to prefixing a certain key with from="x.x.x.x" rsaKeyHere. I can't seem to get that to work. |
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| 23:03.12 | tehbrandon | Nigger stole my bike! |
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| 23:03.37 | keyboarder | i need something like a bridge connection between wired and wireless interfaces, is this somehow possible? (how?) |
| 23:03.37 | pickcoder | Sputn1ck: ink jet then? |
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| 23:03.53 | Sputn1ck | lexmark Z22 inkjet yes |
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| 23:04.42 | manudeb | Hello I m trying to connect a Palm to the Internet threw IRDA (with a pppd script)... and some errors occured... my PDA connect to the pc but no internet :( some knows how it is possible ? |
| 23:05.19 | g3brown | dondelelcaro: what app you refering too (just joined and missed it) |
| 23:05.44 | manudeb | some one knows what "detach" option is for ? |
| 23:05.49 | manudeb | i get this error : |
| 23:05.51 | manudeb | In file /etc/ppp/peers/ircomm: unrecognized option 'detach' |
| 23:06.37 | stew | manudeb: you probably want updetach not detach, (man pppd) |
| 23:06.59 | manudeb | i follow a script |
| 23:07.08 | manudeb | with gaves the option detach |
| 23:07.20 | manudeb | /dev/ircomm0 |
| 23:07.21 | manudeb | 115200 |
| 23:07.21 | manudeb | noauth |
| 23:07.21 | manudeb | modem |
| 23:07.21 | manudeb | debug |
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| 23:07.33 | dondelelcaro | g3brown: dhcpd et al. |
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| 23:09.46 | fuxxy | who's responsible for maintaining http://www.cyrius.com/debian/cobalt/sarge.html ? |
| 23:10.27 | sanmarcos | where can I see the manpage for /etc/resolv.conf ? man 5 has nothing |
| 23:10.52 | stew | fuxxy: martin michelmayr, one of the previous debian project leaders |
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| 23:11.04 | abeco | Hello, I have a little problem with my usb ports, when I try to connect a storage device: my MP4, an external USB dik... and try to copy to it a file it takes a very very very long (really long) time to copy it in spite of being USB 2.0 and in windows only takes 2 minutes |
| 23:11.16 | stew | !find resolv.conf.5.gz |
| 23:11.26 | tosh| | anyone know what could be wrong with a machine when you try to load debian (or knoppix, or dban) that the whole thing hangs right after "checking 'hlt' instruction..." |
| 23:11.27 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'resolv.conf.5.gz' (5 of 8): (/usr/share/man/man5/resolv.conf.5.gz) in doc/manpages ;; (/usr/share/man/pt/man5/resolv.conf.5.gz) in doc/manpages-pt ;; (/usr/share/man/pl/man5/resolv.conf.5.gz) in doc/manpages-pl ;; (/usr/share/man/es/man5/resolv.conf.5.gz) in doc/manpages-es ;; (/usr/share/man/ja/man5/resolv.conf.5.gz) in doc/manpages-ja. |
| 23:11.34 | stew | sanmarcos: you should definately have a resolv.conf manpage in section 5, its in the manpages package |
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| 23:12.06 | sanmarcos | stew: I was using the fullpath :p |
| 23:12.13 | eeyore- | tosh|: CPU? |
| 23:12.53 | pickcoder | Sputn1ck: I don't see any thing in the repos. You may have to download a util and set it up. |
| 23:13.11 | sanmarcos | the domain part is so I can do hostinmynetwork.whateverdomain ? |
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| 23:13.55 | manudeb | Hello I m trying to connect a Palm to the Internet threw IRDA (with a pppd script)... and some errors occured... my PDA connect to the pc but no internet :( some knows how it is possible ? |
| 23:13.56 | sanmarcos | ah yes :) |
| 23:14.13 | tosh| | eeyore- AMD |
| 23:14.15 | sanmarcos | manudeb: you asked the same in #ubunut! |
| 23:14.23 | eeyore- | manudeb: how is this debian question? |
| 23:14.33 | manudeb | it s a Linux question |
| 23:14.37 | eeyore- | tosh|: which one? k6, k7, opteron, ? |
| 23:14.42 | manudeb | i m trying to make a pppd connexion |
| 23:14.48 | manudeb | to get internet with my palm |
| 23:14.53 | manudeb | threw IRDA |
| 23:14.57 | stew | manudeb: "man pppd" detach isn't a valid option |
| 23:15.06 | manudeb | ok |
| 23:15.17 | manudeb | i tried undetach |
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| 23:15.39 | sanmarcos | domain names are queried in order right? |
| 23:15.44 | manudeb | look at this scipt please that s exactly what i wanna do |
| 23:15.46 | manudeb | http://www.northlodge.org/ian/work/irda/irda.html |
| 23:15.50 | sanmarcos | so If I had a server with a dns cache, I should put that entry in my resolv.conf first |
| 23:17.02 | tosh| | eeyore- lemme check |
| 23:17.02 | Sputn1ck | pickcoder, which util ? |
| 23:17.13 | manudeb | have an idear ? |
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| 23:17.28 | abeco | Does anyone knows if the kernel package of etch: 2.6.17-2 has any bug with usb devices? |
| 23:19.18 | tosh| | eeyore- its a pentium 3 actually, 1ghz |
| 23:19.32 | tosh| | eeyore- did a memtest86 and that was ok, think its the mobo? |
| 23:19.33 | cat | abeco: check the bts |
| 23:19.49 | eeyore- | tosh|: i don't think that one has any bug. overclocked at all? |
| 23:20.01 | abeco | cat what is bts? |
| 23:21.16 | eeyore- | "hjubal" == harshaw, jubal? |
| 23:21.52 | pickcoder | Sputn1ck: look at the drivers available on Sourceforge and also Lexmark |
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| 23:22.51 | Gavrila | abeco, bug tracking system |
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| 23:25.50 | abeco | thanks, I can't see anything. Any other idea of why all usb devices go so slow? |
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| 23:26.08 | damnage_hack | http://paste.debian.net/16344 |
| 23:26.11 | eeyore- | abeco: they're not USB2.0? |
| 23:26.21 | abeco | they ARE USB 2.0 |
| 23:26.27 | eeyore- | abeco: what kind of devices? |
| 23:27.06 | abeco | external usb disk (with an external usb box), MP4 player... |
| 23:27.40 | eeyore- | abeco: usb chipset? show me the module it's using? |
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| 23:28.14 | Nwallins | Hi, I am getting this message when `apt-get update` as root: gzip: stdin: Resource temporarily unavailable ?? |
| 23:28.23 | pickcoder | tosh|: does it always hang on the 'hlt' check? |
| 23:28.30 | abeco | usb_storage?? |
| 23:28.36 | eeyore- | abeco: lsmod | grep hci |
| 23:30.03 | abeco | uhci_hcd 20424 0 | ehci_hcd 28040 0 | usbcore 111616 5 usb_storage,usbhid,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd | ohci1394 30448 0 | ieee1394 86584 2 eth1394,ohci1394 |
| 23:30.17 | Nwallins | anyone know what 'gzip: stdin: Resource temporarily unavailable' means? |
| 23:30.37 | eeyore- | abeco: looks good. did you actually plug your devices into the usb2.0 ports on the motherboard? |
| 23:31.01 | eeyore- | abeco: because you also have uchi (1.0 / 1.1) |
| 23:31.42 | abeco | I have a laptop with only USB2 devices |
| 23:32.07 | abeco | so may I type rmmod uhci_hcd ?? |
| 23:32.38 | eeyore- | abeco: i'd think so, rmmod ehci_hcd while you're at it. rmmod both modules. modprobe just the ehci module. plug your devices in. |
| 23:32.57 | Malagmyr | gah. I interrupted module assistant while it was installing the lufs module. Now I get "E: dpkg was interrupted, you must manually run 'dpkg --configure -a' to correct the problem." when I try "m-a a-i lufs". What can I do? |
| 23:33.43 | pickcoder | tosh|: try disabling ACPI in your BIOS setup, if it's there. |
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| 23:37.06 | abeco | oops: Nov 9 01:34:19 serhost kernel: ACPI: PCI interrupt for device 0000:00:1d.7 disabled |
| 23:37.18 | tuv | Malagmyr, do as instructed. run 'dpkg --configure -a' |
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| 23:38.00 | aldin | message: chkdisk, 30 times mounted check forced-> how to disable this, btw ext3 FS |
| 23:38.24 | eeyore- | aldin: "man tune2fs" |
| 23:39.12 | aldin | eeyore-: any precisly solutions commands |
| 23:39.53 | tuv | aldin, why do you want to disable it? it's a good idea to have your disk check every once in a while |
| 23:39.57 | tuv | aldin, you don't read. that's bad |
| 23:40.17 | eeyore- | aldin: tune2fs -c0 -C0 -i0 /dev/... |
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| 23:41.40 | eeyore- | has anybody tried aiglx with matrox g550? :-) |
| 23:41.42 | aldin | tuv: it bothers me i know everything is fine...just fine i cant wait for it |
| 23:42.16 | aldin | tuv: i read but i kind dont like man too much useless arguments |
| 23:42.22 | aldin | i rather read howtos |
| 23:42.23 | tuv | aldin, things are always fine until they aren't. it's a cautious thing to do |
| 23:42.53 | aldin | tuv: i know but this happens very freq, on reiser it is just fine |
| 23:43.00 | aldin | but i switched to ext3 |
| 23:43.15 | tuv | aldin, change the check frequence instead of disabling it |
| 23:43.24 | aldin | good point |
| 23:43.26 | tuv | aldin, using the same options eeyore- gave you |
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| 23:44.27 | aldin | tuv: do i mess fstab or just with this tune... command |
| 23:44.41 | tuv | aldin, tune2fs only |
| 23:44.48 | aldin | ok |
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| 23:46.07 | aldin | tuv: thanks |
| 23:46.12 | aldin | eeyore-: thanks too |
| 23:46.13 | tuv | aldin, np |
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| 23:48.07 | aldin | tuv: do i put /dev/hda or specific partition, i think it is exmpl hdaX, am i right |
| 23:48.34 | tuv | aldin, a partition. filesystems exist on partitions |
| 23:48.54 | aldin | ok, good bye |
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| 23:51.32 | mythtv | I tried following guides for Alsa... but it seems that I cannot get my sound back, I used to have sound now I do not |
| 23:52.08 | abrotman | !tell Gh0stee about alsa-checklist |
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| 23:52.42 | streuner_ | Gh0stee: what does 'cat /proc/version' say, btw? |
| 23:53.01 | black_13 | i am having problems loading serveral kernel modules http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/3FzfcV36.html |
| 23:54.00 | streuner | black_ why not using an official kernel? |
| 23:54.18 | black_13 | i thought i was |
| 23:54.28 | streuner | what does 'cat /proc/version' say, btw? |
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| 23:54.40 | abrotman | he is ? |
| 23:54.51 | abrotman | !find rtc.ko sarge |
| 23:55.01 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'rtc.ko' (3 of 20): (/lib/modules/2.6.8-3-k7/kernel/drivers/char/{genrtc.ko|rtc.ko}) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-k7/kernel/drivers/char/{genrtc.ko|rtc.ko}) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-k7 ;; (/lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386/kernel/drivers/char/{genrtc.ko|rtc.ko}) in base/kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386. |
| 23:55.15 | black_13 | root@debian:/# cat /proc/version |
| 23:55.15 | black_13 | Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 |
| 23:55.24 | abrotman | it's a mac ? |
| 23:55.29 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 23:55.37 | streuner | its a custom kernel |
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| 23:56.05 | abrotman | no it's not |
| 23:56.10 | black_13 | i downloaed the iso from debian and installed it on my dell inspiron laptop |
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| 23:56.19 | abrotman | streuner: it's the debian kernel |
| 23:56.25 | black_13 | nothing custom man |
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| 23:56.43 | Gh0stee | streuner: I'm using 2.6.15 BTW |
| 23:56.47 | black_13 | im trying to be all kosher |
| 23:57.11 | abrotman | black_13: updatedb && locate rtc.ko |
| 23:57.15 | abrotman | it might take a while |
| 23:57.26 | abrotman | black_13: updatedb && locate rtc.ko | grep 686 |
| 23:57.26 | streuner | abrotman: hm, unusual, usually they use domains... |
| 23:57.41 | abrotman | streuner: i have a box with the same /proc/version |
| 23:57.43 | abrotman | let me get it |
| 23:57.45 | black_13 | !updatedb |
| 23:57.51 | abrotman | black_13: on your machine |
| 23:58.05 | stew | or just find /lib/modules -name rtc.ko |
| 23:58.06 | black_13 | i know you what you ment |
| 23:58.13 | abrotman | Linux version 2.6.8-3-686 (pbuilder@dl360-g3) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 Thu Sep 7 03:38:22 UTC 2006 |
| 23:58.19 | abrotman | streuner: see! |
| 23:58.22 | black_13 | i wast tring to get the bot to tell me what updatedb did |
| 23:58.22 | streuner | bah |
| 23:58.31 | streuner | why do you use such an old kernel? |
| 23:58.32 | abrotman | black_13: updates the database for locate |
| 23:58.36 | stew | black_13: it makes it so that "locate filename" rowks |
| 23:58.38 | abrotman | streuner: it's a stable box .. wtf |
| 23:58.38 | stew | works |
| 23:58.51 | black_13 | abrotman /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/char/genrtc.ko |
| 23:59.02 | abrotman | that's not the one it's looking for |
| 23:59.06 | streuner | abrotman: even sarge could use newer kernels... |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | modprobe: FATAL: Error inserting rtc (/lib/modules/2.6 |
| 23:59.08 | abrotman | .8-3-686/kernel/drivers/char/rtc.ko): |
| 23:59.18 | abrotman | streuner: that's not the point .. why are you being an ass ? |
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