| 00:00.06 | diskus | kokade: but if works in windows, then there's not incompatibility between hardware |
| 00:00.18 | eleftherios | what is the easiest way to configure wireless? I have installed the modules and I know that the network here uses a WPA key. Using the gnome networking screen I can only enter WEP keys. Any pointers? |
| 00:00.26 | kokade | diskus i tried to use debian amd64 etch too but did not work as well |
| 00:00.57 | kokade | diskus i dont know how can i get help because no one knows |
| 00:01.11 | kokade | diskus they say that should be working.. |
| 00:01.15 | eldowan | streuner: how would I go about learning to use the bot? |
| 00:01.18 | diskus | kokade: that's what I mean, as you told it, everything is as it should be |
| 00:01.39 | diskus | kokade: what modem is it? |
| 00:01.43 | streuner | eldowan: well, stay here for while and look how other people use it |
| 00:02.18 | streuner | eldowan: its rather difficult nowadays |
| 00:02.19 | kokade | diskus huawei smartax mt 880 |
| 00:02.43 | streuner | eldowan: but infobot.org has some nice examples |
| 00:03.15 | eldowan | streuner: Thanks. |
| 00:03.47 | streuner | eldowan: there aren't many people who use the bot like greycat did in the past, so its hard nowadays |
| 00:04.30 | kokade | diskus i tried ubuntu, and did not work as well =/ |
| 00:04.45 | diskus | kokade: yeah I guess it's not computer's fault |
| 00:04.55 | diskus | kokade: it would be nice to know if that eth0 is working in lan |
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| 00:05.35 | mrdew | when i plug in my ieee camera, syslog shows it loads dv1394 and says /dev/raw1394 initialized, but i look in /dev and do not see raw1394, do i have to create this myself ? |
| 00:06.06 | kokade | diskus do you know someone who can help me? i need linux to work.. |
| 00:06.09 | diskus | kokade: try reading this, http://www.appaji.net/stuff/dataone/bdah.html |
| 00:06.30 | kokade | diskus ok i'll take a look |
| 00:06.32 | zamaliphe | what is the testing rebostryes ? |
| 00:06.59 | diskus | kokade: there's something about MT800 and debian |
| 00:08.38 | streuner | eldowan: to get the knowledge of the bot, you 'll need in general two options, 'listkeys' and 'listvals', listkeys looks at the topic of the factoid and search the whole db, listvals looks at the contents of the whole db. (/msg dpkg listkeys foo) |
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| 00:09.55 | streuner | eldowan: or you just use stew's website (dpkg.vireo.org) - it's an easy way to get such infos via website |
| 00:10.31 | MtJB | i have to do something i have never done before on debian. setup a machine for dial-up access. is there a howto somewhere? |
| 00:10.43 | kokade | [diskus]: well thanks for your help, but i already did what was in the site..i guess i'll try another distribution because i need linux to work |
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| 00:10.48 | streuner | no useful |
| 00:11.00 | streuner | just use wvdial if you using an extern modem |
| 00:11.03 | abrotman | bah .. wtf . if i want to get an app for tv listings .. it's 50MB of packages .. |
| 00:11.12 | streuner | wrong |
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| 00:11.23 | streuner | oh, misread that |
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| 00:11.34 | MtJB | streuner, ok, thanks |
| 00:11.42 | diskus | kokade: good luck, even tho I don't think other distributions will help, but you can try |
| 00:11.43 | MtJB | oh, wait, its not external |
| 00:11.56 | MtJB | its internal mac modem |
| 00:12.01 | streuner | ok, you need a driver then, most likely |
| 00:12.08 | streuner | !winmodem |
| 00:12.09 | dpkg | GPL driver and info can be found in http://www-124.ibm.com/acpmodem/ http://www.linmodems.org, or http://linux.nf/lesbell.htm or here is a black list of known to be winmodems: http://start.at/modem/ and http://www.idir.net/~gromitkc/winmodem.html. See also: winmodem-trick, or a 3Com/USRobotics trademark, or see <slmodem> |
| 00:12.09 | MtJB | ok, i look check, thanks |
| 00:12.32 | diskus | kokade: http://forum.cyberciti.biz/bsnl-broadband-on-fedora-vt214.html?highlight= there's information about Fedora and MT880 |
| 00:13.07 | diskus | kokade: it's seems everyone says to use pppoe |
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| 00:13.28 | kokade | [diskus]: thank you, sorry to waste your time ^^ |
| 00:13.31 | streuner | MtJB: extern modems are pretty cheap second hand... |
| 00:13.44 | kokade | diskus i guess i'll turn it to brigde again and try it out |
| 00:13.47 | streuner | (less headaches) |
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| 00:14.51 | abrotman | rotating staff ? |
| 00:15.11 | eleftherios | is there a GUI for someone to configure wireless? |
| 00:15.23 | MtJB | ElectricElf, wifiradar |
| 00:15.27 | diskus | internal pci adsl modems are _headache_ :P |
| 00:15.58 | streuner | diskus: well, FritzCard wasn't that hard to configure. |
| 00:16.11 | diskus | does it have opensource drivers? |
| 00:16.25 | streuner | yes, but they are made for SuSE |
| 00:16.29 | diskus | I have this cheap conexant based adsl card and was trying to get it to work |
| 00:16.47 | streuner | find a driver |
| 00:16.59 | abrotman | aren't they the ones that charge for the driver ? |
| 00:17.01 | diskus | it's closed source and works fine only with specific versions of kernel |
| 00:17.01 | abrotman | !conexant |
| 00:17.01 | dpkg | a Conexant modem/ethernet device on a laptop is probably a tulip. |
| 00:17.04 | abrotman | bah |
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| 00:17.44 | eleftherios | MtJB, thank you. Have you used any of those, I have a few questions regarding wifi-radar if you have |
| 00:17.53 | diskus | anyway I just dumped that idea and have external still |
| 00:17.58 | diskus | it was experiment nothing more |
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| 00:18.48 | sparr | do I have to subscribe to the debian-devel mailing list to use gmane to post to it? |
| 00:19.22 | streuner | no |
| 00:19.41 | streuner | visit debian.org and look for ML (mailing-lists) |
| 00:19.42 | abrotman | but you're probably on everyone's killfile |
| 00:20.06 | streuner | depends what he posted :-) |
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| 00:21.02 | streuner | sparr: yes |
| 00:21.38 | streuner | sparr: of course, you have to subsribe to every ML in order to post to it |
| 00:21.38 | sparr | abrotman: on more than most people :) |
| 00:21.57 | sparr | streuner: then whats the point of the gmane verification/authorization emails? (rhetorical) |
| 00:22.34 | streuner | sparr: well, i think gmane is only some website to *list* other mailings |
| 00:22.35 | sparr | bet i get an email from the ML in the time it takes me to turn off delivery after i subscribe |
| 00:22.59 | abrotman | whine |
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| 00:23.06 | streuner | heh? |
| 00:24.21 | sparr | You can't use this script to subscribe more than 30 times in this short time period. |
| 00:24.21 | sparr | damnit |
| 00:24.42 | sparr | youd think they would mention that BEFORE making me check all those boxes |
| 00:26.18 | streuner | sparr: you didn't were able to post via deja.com, so just subscribe to d-d |
| 00:26.46 | streuner | deja was the other example, like gmane |
| 00:27.28 | sparr | ok, before i subscribe... |
| 00:27.32 | sparr | how do i turn off mail delivery? |
| 00:27.44 | sparr | i dont see a web form, and id like to do it as quickly as possible after subscribing |
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| 00:28.06 | abrotman | BANANANANAN! |
| 00:28.11 | eleftherios | can anyone help me configure a wireless connection, the card is working, I have the WPA key and I know the ssid. |
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| 00:28.22 | abrotman | eleftherios: not all drivers support WPA |
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| 00:29.00 | stoned | hi |
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| 00:29.06 | eleftherios | abrotman, I am lost about how to configure it at the first place! |
| 00:29.14 | eleftherios | it's been two days now :-( |
| 00:29.19 | stoned | I formatted my 500gb disk as xfs, one partition |
| 00:29.32 | stoned | just for media storage, is that ok? |
| 00:29.37 | abrotman | dumbass |
| 00:29.37 | stoned | Ive never owned a disk that big before |
| 00:29.40 | stoned | thanks |
| 00:29.40 | eleftherios | I am using ipw2200 |
| 00:29.41 | stoned | asshole |
| 00:29.47 | abrotman | i'm serious |
| 00:29.48 | stoned | abrotman, so what should I do |
| 00:29.58 | abrotman | do you have an UPS? |
| 00:30.06 | stoned | nope |
| 00:30.08 | streuner | haha |
| 00:30.12 | stoned | :( |
| 00:30.15 | stoned | I hate ya'll |
| 00:30.16 | abrotman | badbadbad |
| 00:30.26 | abrotman | we told you ext3! |
| 00:30.28 | stoned | ext3 is slow as the mother**** |
| 00:30.43 | sparr | ok, so how can i find out who at debian is responsible for the gmane 'account'? when you set up a ML with gmane, they ask if it accepts non-subscriber posts from gmane, and whoever set up the debian lists picked the wrong option |
| 00:30.46 | abrotman | which would you rather have .. your data .. or 0s ? |
| 00:30.51 | abrotman | !fs comparison |
| 00:30.51 | dpkg | somebody said filesystem comparison was http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 00:30.59 | stoned | rfs is fast |
| 00:31.04 | streuner | !start a FS war |
| 00:31.04 | stoned | 3.6 or 4.0? |
| 00:31.04 | dpkg | jfs will eat all your data!! |
| 00:31.04 | abrotman | and loses data |
| 00:31.17 | abrotman | stoned: stop being an ass .. use ext3 .. it's just as fast or faster than the rest |
| 00:31.19 | streuner | use reiser! |
| 00:31.26 | stoned | yes |
| 00:31.26 | abrotman | stoned: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/reiserfs.html |
| 00:31.27 | stoned | reiser |
| 00:31.38 | stoned | abrotman, I've read many fs benchmarks on large disks |
| 00:31.48 | abrotman | read it!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 00:31.50 | stoned | I can't seem to decide which to go with, as all have pros and cons |
| 00:31.56 | toraton | Use ext3. |
| 00:32.02 | zepeuga | any knows why this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BwZdSu70.html doesnt stay in modules.conf ? after a "update-modules" it disappears |
| 00:32.07 | toraton | if you're gonna use reiser, turn off atimes though. |
| 00:32.09 | zamaliphe | what is the gnome them manger ? |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | stoned: how many people do i help in here? why would i mislead you ? |
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| 00:32.36 | stoned | abrotman, I trust you, as much as I might regret saying that later ;) |
| 00:32.37 | streuner | zamaliphe: uhm, it should be integrated within grome... |
| 00:32.40 | abrotman | stoned: and read this http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 00:32.45 | streuner | s/grome/gnome/ |
| 00:32.48 | abrotman | stoned: for speed test crap benchmark lies |
| 00:33.00 | black_13 | !kernel |
| 00:33.02 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18.1, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc2, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc1-mm1 |
| 00:33.05 | abrotman | stoned: but if you read the linuxmafia link .. you'll understand why xfs is bad without UPS |
| 00:33.39 | stoned | 100gb yeilds 93.7GiB |
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| 00:33.48 | abrotman | dude .. that's a setting |
| 00:33.58 | abrotman | for ext2/3 anyways |
| 00:34.04 | stoned | you talking tome |
| 00:34.10 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:34.11 | stoned | I've been considering ext3 of course |
| 00:34.16 | stoned | but why do disks do that |
| 00:34.27 | stoned | 500gb disk yeilds 465gb of storage space, no matter which fs |
| 00:34.28 | abrotman | they don't .. the FS does .. and it's useful sometimes |
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| 00:34.35 | stoned | hmm |
| 00:35.07 | zepeuga | anyone ? |
| 00:35.15 | streuner | !anyone |
| 00:35.16 | dpkg | Please do not ask if anyone uses <someprogram>. Instead, ask your real question. (If the real question _was_ "does anyone use <someprogram>?" ask me about <popcon> instead.) See <ask> <sicco> <ask-to-ask> <polls> |
| 00:35.32 | abrotman | stoned: man mkfs.ext3 .. read -m |
| 00:36.23 | zepeuga | streuner, already asked |
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| 00:36.54 | stoned | 5% of 500 is 25? |
| 00:36.55 | streuner | who told you to alter modules.conf at all? |
| 00:36.59 | stoned | doh |
| 00:37.00 | abrotman | stoned: roughly |
| 00:37.18 | stoned | so no matter what, about 25gb will be used as the "file allocation table" |
| 00:37.23 | abrotman | stoned: well .. it is .. but 5% of a 500GB drive might be some other value than 25GB :) |
| 00:37.24 | stoned | not fat of course, but you get the idea |
| 00:37.25 | stoned | fs info |
| 00:37.33 | zepeuga | streuner, "To do this, you typically place the following two lines into |
| 00:37.33 | zepeuga | your /etc/modprobe.conf or into a new file /etc/modules.d/ipw3945:" |
| 00:37.40 | zepeuga | ipw3945 INSTALL |
| 00:37.44 | abrotman | stoned: no .. 5% is reserved by default in ext2/3 for root |
| 00:37.50 | stoned | I see |
| 00:37.58 | stoned | I just want 500gb of space, cuz that what I paid for |
| 00:38.03 | stoned | is that so much to ask? |
| 00:38.09 | cureless | stoned: the fs reserves space for root use only. You don't have to reserve it. |
| 00:38.28 | abrotman | stoned: then use -m when you create the FS |
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| 00:38.32 | stoned | I see |
| 00:38.37 | stoned | whats a good number then |
| 00:38.38 | cureless | stoned: it depends on your definition of "gb" and the hard drives. |
| 00:38.46 | abrotman | stoned: if you want all .. set it to 0 |
| 00:39.02 | stoned | well, here it is. I went to pc club last night, and bought a 500gb disk for 189$ |
| 00:39.15 | abrotman | !prize stoned |
| 00:39.16 | cureless | stoned: the reserved space is normally more important for the root partition (and other partitions needed for recovery, etc) |
| 00:39.16 | stoned | I come home, hook it up, format it, and I get 465gb of storage space |
| 00:39.30 | stoned | that pisses me off |
| 00:39.30 | abrotman | stoned: do you know how drive space is measured? |
| 00:39.32 | dfx- | abrotman: streuner: apparently, guys, this is a known vmware issue. The fix is to download the newest version of vmware, which is 70% done. Thanks for your help, guys! |
| 00:39.32 | stoned | yes |
| 00:39.42 | stoned | unfortunately, I go through this everytime I buy a disk |
| 00:39.43 | abrotman | dfx-: see .. it wasn't our fault! |
| 00:39.43 | stoned | :( |
| 00:40.00 | stoned | I bitch and I moan, and then I get over it |
| 00:40.00 | predder | <stoned> I just want 500gb of space, cuz that what I paid for <-- I remember back in "the day" my 40gb drive was actually 42gb and showed up as 40gb after formatting |
| 00:40.13 | predder | pity it was a deathstar and didnt last a year :P |
| 00:40.17 | stoned | lol |
| 00:40.22 | stoned | deathstar! |
| 00:40.27 | stoned | luke, I am your father |
| 00:40.35 | dfx- | abrotman: I knew it wasn't anyone's fault. I was just confused on what to do to fix it! |
| 00:40.37 | cureless | stoned: for /home or /data or that sort of stuff you'll be safe setting it to 0. |
| 00:40.44 | abrotman | dfx-: ah ok |
| 00:40.52 | stoned | basically the only thing is, this disk will be mounted under /home/stoned/Media |
| 00:40.58 | stoned | only thing it will store is music and porn |
| 00:41.04 | streuner | zepeuga: try #ipw2100 |
| 00:41.08 | zepeuga | streuner, so.. |
| 00:41.15 | stoned | oh, did I say that outloud |
| 00:41.20 | stoned | I meant music and movies |
| 00:41.21 | cureless | stoned: just set it to 0 and stop complaining. |
| 00:41.31 | stoned | I'm not complaining |
| 00:41.35 | stoned | I'm being goofy |
| 00:41.57 | stoned | I think I'm getting fat |
| 00:41.59 | streuner | zepeuga: according to ipw3945.sf.net some people are hanging around there who should know better |
| 00:42.25 | abrotman | stoned: maybe it's the munchies ? |
| 00:42.32 | Wyzard | I'm impressed... the version of Compiz that went into unstable a few days ago is *much* better than the one that had previously been packaged |
| 00:42.33 | stoned | yup |
| 00:42.40 | Wyzard | even on my laptop's i915 |
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| 00:42.43 | stoned | comiz in deb? |
| 00:42.44 | stoned | nice |
| 00:42.54 | cureless | yes, we're all "comiz" |
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| 00:42.58 | Wyzard | yeah, it's been there since around the time xorg7.1 went in |
| 00:42.58 | stoned | lol |
| 00:43.00 | eleftherios | why is my wireless card eth2 and not wlan0 |
| 00:43.02 | stoned | I meant compiz |
| 00:43.06 | Wyzard | but the previous version was pretty sluggish |
| 00:43.09 | stoned | that didnt sound right, sorry |
| 00:43.15 | abrotman | eleftherios: that's how some drivers work . .mine is eth0 |
| 00:43.18 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Some drivers use "wlan", some use "eth" |
| 00:43.35 | eleftherios | ok, how on earth can I get it configured? |
| 00:43.48 | eleftherios | I have the wpa key and the ssid |
| 00:44.00 | odla | man iwconfig? |
| 00:44.20 | eleftherios | odla, it has so many options, it must be simpler than that |
| 00:44.33 | Wyzard | If you're running etch or sid and using a desktop environment such as GNOME or KDE, you'll probably want to use NetworkManager |
| 00:44.36 | zepeuga | streuner, my ipw3945 its working, i just cant make that step, that call ipw3945d when modprobe ipw3945 |
| 00:44.47 | Wyzard | Otherwise you'll need to set up wpasupplicant manually, which is a bit of a pain |
| 00:44.57 | odla | eleftherios: with wep its.... iwconfig <device> essid <blah> key <blah> |
| 00:44.58 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I tried that, I get no screen where I can enter the WPA key or any configuration stuff |
| 00:45.03 | odla | don't know about wpa |
| 00:45.14 | stoned | abrotman, streuner, predder, cureless, thank you |
| 00:45.14 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I am on etch |
| 00:45.17 | cureless | eleftherios: /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 00:45.23 | Wyzard | eleftherios: You've installed network-manager and network-manager-gnome? (or network-manager-kde, alternatively) |
| 00:45.30 | eleftherios | Wyzard, yes |
| 00:45.30 | odla | can compiz do anything without aiglx? |
| 00:45.37 | Wyzard | cureless: wireless-tools alone are not enough for WPA |
| 00:45.45 | Wyzard | odla: It works on XGL too, but XGL isn't in Debian |
| 00:45.52 | eleftherios | Wyzard, please help if you have a moment, this has been bugging me for two days |
| 00:45.55 | cureless | /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/ then |
| 00:45.57 | abrotman | Wyzard: i think he meant .. is it at all useful :) |
| 00:46.07 | odla | :) |
| 00:46.10 | abrotman | like .. can it make eggs etc |
| 00:46.17 | odla | easter eggs |
| 00:46.18 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Does the NetworkManager icon show up in the GNOME tray? |
| 00:46.23 | odla | at least more than wobbly windows |
| 00:46.24 | eleftherios | Wyzard, no |
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| 00:46.42 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I have even rebooted since I installed it but it doesn't |
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| 00:47.02 | cureless | eleftherios: install wpasupplicant, see the included debian readme file for what you need to do do configure /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:47.02 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Open a terminal and run "nm-applet --sm-disable" and see if it emits any warnings or errors |
| 00:47.34 | Wyzard | cureless: http://www.gnome.org/projects/NetworkManager/ is better than manual wpasupplicant configuration |
| 00:47.36 | eleftherios | Wyzard, it doesn't |
| 00:47.49 | cureless | Wyzard: define better? |
| 00:47.52 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Does it stay running or does it dump you back to a prompt? |
| 00:48.00 | Wyzard | cureless: See the screenshots on the site |
| 00:48.11 | eleftherios | when I su and run it, it stays running |
| 00:48.27 | eleftherios | as a simple user I get: ** (nm-applet:6758): WARNING **: <WARNING> nma_dbus_init (): nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.10" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
| 00:48.27 | Wyzard | cureless: better as in: see what networks are available, pick one from a menu, get a password prompt, and connect and have your IP configured |
| 00:48.34 | Wyzard | cureless: without having to open a shell or edit config files |
| 00:48.46 | Wyzard | eleftherios: First of all, nm-applet shouldn't be run as root |
| 00:48.50 | zepeuga | your /etc/modprobe.conf or into a new file /etc/modules.d/ipw3945:" |
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| 00:48.54 | edytt | can virtual memory reach 3GB with a physical RAM of 256MB? |
| 00:48.56 | zepeuga | any knows why this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BwZdSu70.html doesnt stay in modules.conf ? after a "update-modules" it disappears |
| 00:49.03 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ok, how shall I proceed? |
| 00:49.04 | Wyzard | edytt: yes |
| 00:49.20 | Wyzard | eleftherios: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/25NetworkManager restart |
| 00:49.25 | Wyzard | eleftherios: /etc/dbus-1/event.d/26NetworkManagerDispatcher restart |
| 00:49.33 | Wyzard | see if those complain |
| 00:49.33 | cureless | Wyzard: that is different functionality |
| 00:49.53 | eleftherios | Wyzard, no one of them complained |
| 00:50.02 | Wyzard | cureless: If someone using a desktop environment has a wireless card and wants to connect to a wireless network, that's the most straightforward way to do it |
| 00:50.18 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Check syslog too |
| 00:50.28 | eleftherios | yes this is what I want to do, just connect to a damn wireless network, simple and easy |
| 00:50.41 | Wyzard | eleftherios: oh... add yourself to the "netdev" group |
| 00:50.51 | eleftherios | hm, how do I do that? |
| 00:50.58 | Wyzard | I *think* that's necessary (my account on my laptop is in netdev and I believe that's the reason I did it) |
| 00:51.13 | Wyzard | eleftherios: (as root) adduser eleftherios netdev |
| 00:51.20 | Wyzard | substitute your actual login name, of course |
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| 00:51.29 | Wyzard | then log out and back in |
| 00:51.58 | Wyzard | While you're at it, you might want to add yourself to "powerdev" since that's needed for suspend mode with gnome-power-manager |
| 00:52.07 | eleftherios | ok |
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| 00:52.18 | Wyzard | and "plugdev" lets you do hotplugging of things like USB flash drives |
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| 00:52.57 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ok so I need to log out of gnome and log in again |
| 00:53.00 | Wyzard | right |
| 00:53.00 | eleftherios | be right back |
| 00:53.46 | edytt | How can I find the pciid? |
| 00:54.01 | Wyzard | edytt: lspci |
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| 00:54.28 | abrotman | lspci -n |
| 00:54.44 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ok, so far so good |
| 00:54.46 | eleftherios | Wyzard, next step? |
| 00:54.47 | cureless | eleftherios: do you need WPA? |
| 00:55.15 | eleftherios | cureless, I have to use WPA, I am a guest at a house (homeless at the moment) and my friend here uses it |
| 00:55.35 | Wyzard | and because WPA is preferable anyway |
| 00:55.40 | edytt | thank you |
| 00:55.46 | lunitik | cureless: if he wants wireless access... Wyzard is taking him down the right path in my opinion... please leave him to it. |
| 00:55.53 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Try running nm-applet again |
| 00:56.03 | zepeuga | any knows why this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BwZdSu70.html doesnt stay in modules.conf ? after a "update-modules" it disappears |
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| 00:56.23 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ** (nm-applet:7025): WARNING **: <WARNING> nma_dbus_init (): nma_dbus_init() could not acquire its service. dbus_bus_acquire_service() says: 'Connection ":1.24" is not allowed to own the service "org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo" due to security policies in the configuration file' |
| 00:56.25 | cureless | lunitik: will do, I was just trying to be helpful. |
| 00:56.26 | eleftherios | I still get that |
| 00:56.41 | Wyzard | cureless: I've used raw wpasupplicant in the past, together with ifplugd to handle configuring and deconfiguring interfaces when a network was found |
| 00:56.46 | lunitik | cureless: if you're going to help with NetworkManager ... thats fine :D |
| 00:56.53 | JerJer[mobile] | ok what am I missing. I am rolling my own kernel and get: WARNING: Couldn't open directory /lib/modules/2.6.16.2 on boot |
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| 00:57.05 | cureless | lunitik: I'm just afraid that networkmanager doesn't do wpa. |
| 00:57.13 | Wyzard | cureless: but that doesn't give you much control over *which* network it connects to if several known networks are in range, and there's no feedback except for ifplugd's beeps |
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| 00:57.33 | Wyzard | cureless: NetworkManager gives you a GUI list of available networks and makes it easy to see which one is currently being used |
| 00:57.38 | abrotman | JerJer[mobile]: that directory is missing |
| 00:57.45 | JerJer[mobile] | negative |
| 00:57.49 | JerJer[mobile] | that directory absolutely is there |
| 00:57.54 | JerJer[mobile] | the stock debian kernel works |
| 00:58.08 | lunitik | cureless: it does |
| 00:58.09 | cureless | Wyzard: that's fine. I'n not complaining about that, the easier the better. |
| 00:58.15 | JerJer[mobile] | i need my own kernel to make stupid nvidia dual head work :( |
| 00:58.23 | JerJer[mobile] | i would love to stay with debian |
| 00:58.38 | JerJer[mobile] | another question - where can i get the actual debian configured 2.6 source? |
| 00:58.40 | cureless | lunitik: cool. When I configured my network I remember reading on their website that they didn't support it. |
| 00:58.49 | abrotman | why do you need your own kenrel for binary nvidia crap ? |
| 00:58.52 | eleftherios | Wyzard, any ideas? |
| 00:59.04 | Wyzard | eleftherios: hmm... I'm looking around on the web for more information |
| 00:59.13 | eleftherios | Wyzard, me too |
| 00:59.17 | Wyzard | afaik, dbus permissions are controlled by group membership, but apparently there's more to it than that |
| 00:59.18 | eleftherios | Wyzard, thank you |
| 00:59.18 | JerJer[mobile] | abrotman: the nvidia software crap requires the actual kernel source to compile in is non-free BS |
| 00:59.45 | JerJer[mobile] | i run dual head |
| 00:59.47 | Wyzard | JerJer[mobile]: Debian provides precompiled nvidia-kernel packages to go with debian's precompiled kernels |
| 00:59.52 | abrotman | so what ? |
| 00:59.52 | cureless | lunitik: though looking at the package it does seem to depend on wpasupplicant, so maybe it was just a long time ago that I looked, just ignore me. |
| 00:59.55 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 00:59.56 | dpkg | [nvidia one-liner] update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 00:59.59 | Coweater | it should just need the kernel headers, not full source |
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| 01:00.22 | JerJer[mobile] | Coweater: the crap i got from nvidia directly wants the source |
| 01:00.37 | Wyzard | JerJer[mobile]: Don't use that, use the packages |
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| 01:00.39 | JerJer[mobile] | leme try the debian way - i don't have the non-free stuff in |
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| 01:00.43 | JerJer[mobile] | leme try |
| 01:00.54 | edytt | by the way... is GIMP can't clear unused memory?? |
| 01:00.56 | JerJer[mobile] | !nvidia etch nvida |
| 01:01.28 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Take a look at /etc/dbus-1/system.d/nm-applet.conf |
| 01:01.50 | slept | after reboot sudo doesn't ask for a password ... is that a bug or a feature - should i file a bugreport ? |
| 01:02.10 | Wyzard | eleftherios: On my sid system, it says that root and netdev members are allowed to own org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo, and everyone else isn't |
| 01:02.19 | abrotman | slept: can you reproduce it? :) |
| 01:02.31 | Wyzard | eleftherios: Run "groups" to check whether you're really in the netdev group now, and see if your copy of that file specifies something different |
| 01:02.44 | eleftherios | Wyzard, <policy user="root"> |
| 01:02.45 | slept | happend twice by accident, but i can try |
| 01:02.46 | lunitik | cureless: NetworkManager is one of the newer technologies for the desktop... lots of work has and still is going into it... |
| 01:02.55 | eleftherios | Wyzard, shall I change that to have netdev too? |
| 01:02.55 | cureless | slept: if you reboot and wait for a few minutes, does it still not ask for a password? |
| 01:03.01 | Wyzard | eleftherios: There should be a <policy group="netdev"> after that |
| 01:03.16 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ah there is <policy group="netdev"> |
| 01:03.21 | slept | i didn't try that - it just happend i was surprised |
| 01:03.35 | Wyzard | and that one says <allow own="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo"/> ? |
| 01:03.38 | eleftherios | Wyzard, so it is not that |
| 01:03.43 | eleftherios | Wyzard, yes |
| 01:03.50 | Wyzard | Run "groups" from a shell to make sure you're really in the netdev group |
| 01:03.52 | Wyzard | and I'll brb |
| 01:03.57 | eleftherios | <allow own="org.freedesktop.NetworkManagerInfo"/> |
| 01:04.00 | slept | abrotman, cureless i will try |
| 01:04.08 | lunitik | cureless: its appreciated that you're trying to help though! keep it up :) |
| 01:04.17 | eleftherios | Wyzard, eleftherios dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev netdev powerdev |
| 01:04.21 | eleftherios | Wyzard, so I am |
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| 01:06.46 | abrotman | lunitik: i'm chopped liver ? |
| 01:06.56 | abrotman | mmm .. chopped liver ... |
| 01:06.57 | cureless | lunitik: I try to help every time I feel bored, get some free time or don't want to work. |
| 01:07.05 | dvs | abrotman: cannibal! ;-) |
| 01:07.11 | stoned | disgusting |
| 01:07.19 | abrotman | so freaking yummy |
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| 01:07.36 | dave55 | hi |
| 01:08.11 | dvs | oooooooooookay |
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| 01:08.25 | abrotman | should we tell him that he's missing some ? |
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| 01:08.26 | dvs | Why would anyone want prime numbers as a signoff? |
| 01:08.39 | slept | abrotman, it is reproducable |
| 01:08.41 | abrotman | he's missing numerous prime numbers .. if that's what it is supposed to be |
| 01:08.57 | abrotman | slept: etch/sid ? |
| 01:09.06 | cureless | he's missing some important primes |
| 01:09.10 | JerJer[mobile] | ugh |
| 01:09.41 | slept | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:09.44 | lunitik | abrotman: you're appreciated too! heh... but cureless is new I believe, you're pretty much addicted, so no positive reinforcement required :P |
| 01:09.48 | slept | etch |
| 01:10.01 | cureless | lunitik: how new do you think I am? |
| 01:10.15 | abrotman | lunitik: he's been here longer than you .. possibly longer than me |
| 01:10.31 | JerJer[mobile] | ok the debian way fails - Tells me my kernel has the rivafb installed which conficts |
| 01:10.32 | lunitik | cureless: I've never seen you in here... and I've been fairly regular for like 4 years... |
| 01:10.32 | cureless | lunitik: and, btw, I design wireless network protocols for a living. |
| 01:10.37 | slept | abrotman, it times out after a while i guess because sometimes i have to enter a password |
| 01:10.49 | abrotman | slept: then it sounds like it's working correctly |
| 01:11.02 | cureless | lunitik: yeah, it happens, sometimes I actually go to work. :-) |
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| 01:11.15 | lunitik | cureless: hah |
| 01:11.22 | slept | abrotman, it is suposed not to time out over reboot ? |
| 01:11.27 | JerJer[mobile] | so how do i get a 'stock' debian kernel to not have rivafb ? |
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| 01:11.38 | abrotman | slept: i don't use sudo ... |
| 01:11.42 | abrotman | i'm an evil bastard :) |
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| 01:12.22 | lunitik | slept: can define how long it takes to time out... or just not have it require a password... see the man page |
| 01:12.46 | lunitik | !test |
| 01:12.46 | dpkg | Yes, lunitik, you're still online. |
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| 01:13.43 | JerJer[mobile] | any ideas? |
| 01:13.46 | lunitik | slept: by default, I think its 10 mins of not using sudo... then it times out |
| 01:13.47 | slept | lunitik, i know, but i wasn t sure if it is supposed to work like that ... |
| 01:14.02 | lunitik | slept: yes... it is indeed |
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| 01:14.31 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ok, problem solved with dbus permissions |
| 01:14.35 | eleftherios | I had to invoke-rc.d dbus reload |
| 01:14.45 | eleftherios | because logging in and out wasn't enough |
| 01:14.57 | cureless | slept: but just to make sure, you said that it doesn't require a password after reboot, no? |
| 01:15.09 | slept | yes |
| 01:15.23 | slept | but i was told it is suposed to work like that |
| 01:15.23 | cureless | slept: and that's before you've used _any_ sudo (on that reboot) |
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| 01:15.33 | slept | yes |
| 01:15.36 | eleftherios | Now I need to find out how to configure it so I can enter the wpa key etc |
| 01:16.39 | eleftherios | does anyone else knows how I can configure network-manager for wireless? |
| 01:16.40 | cureless | slept: I've seen this happen a few times, but I don't remember the sitation. sudo basically stores a timestamp of the last time you authenticated, the question is, what gets it to think that the timestamp is still valid? |
| 01:17.29 | cureless | slept: sometimes I wonder if some other auth mechanism uses the same timestamps, I haven't really looked into it. Have you googled the problem? |
| 01:17.36 | Wyzard | eleftherios: That's weird... dbus is a system-wide service and shouldn't care about your user's group membership |
| 01:17.43 | Wyzard | eleftherios: but I'm glad you got that resolved |
| 01:17.53 | eleftherios | Wyzard, well at least we got that sorted, what now? |
| 01:17.54 | Wyzard | eleftherios: (sorry for disappearing, btw) |
| 01:17.59 | eleftherios | Wyzard, :-) |
| 01:18.01 | Wyzard | nm-applet runs now? |
| 01:18.14 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I will run it again (I had to close the console window) |
| 01:18.17 | slept | cureless, no not yet - but if its normal i will just change it to 1 minute and i am finr |
| 01:18.22 | slept | fine |
| 01:18.24 | abrotman | Wyzard: oddly .. today i was flipping through some magazine and they had a 40" EDTV :) |
| 01:18.33 | Wyzard | Run it in the background so you can close the terminal |
| 01:18.34 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I get no options to set from nm-applet though :-( |
| 01:18.35 | Wyzard | hehe |
| 01:18.56 | Wyzard | eleftherios: If you left-click on the nm-applet icon, you should get a list of available wireless networks |
| 01:19.05 | eleftherios | Wyzard, if I run nm-applet & and then closethe terminal it kills the process too |
| 01:19.13 | lunitik | abrotman: how does EDTV differ from HDTV? :;blush:: |
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| 01:19.20 | Wyzard | Hit Alt-F2 to launch it from the GNOME "run" dialog, then |
| 01:19.26 | abrotman | lunitik: it's crappier .. roughly :) |
| 01:19.33 | lunitik | abrotman: oh... haha |
| 01:19.45 | Wyzard | eleftherios: oh, almost forgot... if you have an entry for your wireless card in /etc/network/interfaces, delete it or comment it out |
| 01:19.52 | Wyzard | eleftherios: your wired interface too, while you're at it |
| 01:19.53 | abrotman | lunitik: really .. noone sells it anymore .. but lots of people used to because they think consumers are dumb |
| 01:20.08 | Wyzard | eleftherios: NM ignores interfaces that are configured in the interfaces file |
| 01:20.23 | Wyzard | lunitik: EDTV is 16:9 480p |
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| 01:20.31 | dvs | that's crap |
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| 01:21.09 | lunitik | Wyzard: what is HDTV? |
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| 01:21.24 | Wyzard | lunitik: I want to buy one because I want widescreen and progressive, but nothing I own or plan to own anytime soon outputs HD, so I don't see any value in paying for an HD-capable TV |
| 01:21.35 | Wyzard | lunitik: HD is 720p, 1080i, or 1080p |
| 01:21.50 | cureless | Wyzard: no dvi output? |
| 01:21.52 | zepeuga | any knows why this: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BwZdSu70.html doesnt stay in modules.conf ? after a "update-modules" it disappears |
| 01:22.04 | dvs | cureless: HDMI seems to be the big thing. |
| 01:22.12 | Wyzard | cureless: not that I'd want to send to a TV |
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| 01:22.27 | cureless | dvs: HDMI is like dvi + digital audio |
| 01:22.32 | Wyzard | +drm |
| 01:22.35 | cureless | +drm |
| 01:22.40 | cureless | yes, missed that part. |
| 01:22.50 | dvs | oh, yuck |
| 01:23.03 | Wyzard | though I've heard that DRM has already been cracked, in which case I'd be willing to buy things that use HDMI |
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| 01:23.26 | Wyzard | I won't buy anything that uses DRM that hasn't been cracked |
| 01:23.44 | dvs | How do you use it if it's been cracked. |
| 01:23.46 | dvs | ? |
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| 01:24.17 | Wyzard | cracked means it's possible to circumvent the DRM and get the content in unprotected form |
| 01:24.17 | cureless | dvs: what do you mean? |
| 01:24.20 | Wyzard | not that the whole system doesn't work |
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| 01:24.38 | Wyzard | The CSS system used on DVDs was cracked years ago, so you're asking how one can use DVDs |
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| 01:24.44 | zepeuga | lunitik, yeah :) |
| 01:24.45 | eleftherios | Wyzard, whoa my machine crashed! |
| 01:24.45 | dvs | cureless: If it's been cracked then how do you use it? |
| 01:24.51 | Wyzard | The answer is, the same as always |
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| 01:25.04 | eleftherios | Wyzard, but I am connected! |
| 01:25.07 | Wyzard | eleftherios: when doing what? |
| 01:25.08 | eleftherios | Wyzard, thank you! |
| 01:25.09 | abrotman | you lie! |
| 01:25.13 | Wyzard | eleftherios: cool :-) |
| 01:25.28 | eleftherios | Wyzard, while trying to connect to a wireless network and clicking on the nm icon twice |
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| 01:25.35 | eleftherios | Wyzard, a million thanks! |
| 01:25.45 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I can go to bed and sleep like a baby now :-) |
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| 01:25.52 | dvs | heh |
| 01:25.54 | Wyzard | weird |
| 01:25.58 | Wyzard | eleftherios: one more thing, btw |
| 01:26.04 | eleftherios | Wyzard, go on |
| 01:26.07 | eleftherios | Wyzard, :-) |
| 01:26.14 | Wyzard | eleftherios: NM remembers which networks you've connected to |
| 01:26.33 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ah yes, it creates a keyring for those, doesn't it? |
| 01:26.55 | Wyzard | eleftherios: and when it does its initial scan for available networks, it picks the most recent one that you've connected to in the past (if any) and automatically reconnects to that |
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| 01:27.17 | eleftherios | lovely |
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| 01:27.37 | Wyzard | eleftherios: If for some reason you want it to "forget" about a particular network, so it won't automatically reconnect to it in the future, you can run "gconftool-2 --recursive-unset /system/networking/wireless/networks/foo" |
| 01:27.37 | abrotman | zepeuga: why are you doing that ? |
| 01:27.47 | JerJer[mobile] | either way works |
| 01:27.47 | Wyzard | Hopefully in the future it'll have a better UI for that |
| 01:28.05 | JerJer[mobile] | the module assistant complains about riviafb being in the debian stock kernel |
| 01:28.15 | JerJer[mobile] | and the manual compile method has no Makefile |
| 01:28.20 | eleftherios | Wyzard, ok, I'll have that in mind. Thank you very much! |
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| 01:28.48 | JerJer[mobile] | anyone have any clue for me ? nvidia |
| 01:28.49 | zepeuga | abrotman, installing ipw3945 |
| 01:29.02 | abrotman | zepeuga: i meant .. why are you doing that command ? |
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| 01:29.22 | abrotman | put it in /etc/modules ? |
| 01:29.35 | zepeuga | abrotman, i've have modules ipw3945 working and ipw3945d daemon too, but its the lines to load ipw3945d when modprobing ipw3945 |
| 01:29.39 | zepeuga | its in INSTALL |
| 01:29.40 | liable | zepeuga: for 3945, your supposed to make its own file in modprobe.d |
| 01:29.47 | eleftherios | Wyzard, good night, thanks again! |
| 01:29.49 | Wyzard | eleftherios: also, if you plug in an ethernet cable you'll find that it switches to it automatically |
| 01:29.51 | abrotman | zepeuga: put it in /etc/modules |
| 01:29.56 | Wyzard | eleftherios: and switches back to wireless if you unplug the cable |
| 01:30.11 | eleftherios | Wyzard, awesome |
| 01:30.12 | Wyzard | eleftherios: (Just be aware, switching interfaces changes your IP address and breaks any existing connections) |
| 01:30.39 | abrotman | zepeuga: or make your own script and stick it in /etc/init.d/ |
| 01:30.41 | edj | Trouble printing from an ubuntu client to a debian server. Does the client need cupsd running? |
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| 01:30.56 | zepeuga | liable, i made it to with modules.d/ipw3945, but when update-modules its erased |
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| 01:31.09 | eleftherios | Wyzard, I can take my laptop in the bedroom and listen to some music before I sleep, sweet! |
| 01:31.14 | eleftherios | good night :-) |
| 01:31.15 | DeaLER- | how do you remove a package that won't remove with dpkg --force-all option |
| 01:31.17 | zepeuga | abrotman, put it in /etc/modules will work ? |
| 01:31.26 | zepeuga | abrotman, that complete line ? |
| 01:31.26 | abrotman | zepeuga: to load the module .. yes |
| 01:31.29 | abrotman | zepeuga: no |
| 01:31.30 | DeaLER- | theres an old kernel image package that I can't get rid of |
| 01:31.38 | abrotman | zepeuga: moment |
| 01:31.44 | zepeuga | abrotman, yeah, its already loading it on start |
| 01:31.50 | Wyzard | edj: Strictly speaking, no, but if it isn't, you have to edit /etc/cups/client.conf and set "ServerName" to the hostname or IP address of the print server |
| 01:31.52 | JerJer[mobile] | nobody runs nvidia cards ? |
| 01:31.53 | zepeuga | abrotman, but not ipw3945d daemon |
| 01:31.56 | liable | zepeuga: in modules.d ?? should be modprobe.d |
| 01:32.06 | abrotman | zepeuga: so you need the daemon after the module loads or before ? |
| 01:32.12 | liable | after |
| 01:32.16 | Wyzard | edj: If you want it to automatically "discover" available print queues in a peer-to-peer fashion, you have to run a local cupsd |
| 01:32.18 | zepeuga | after |
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| 01:32.30 | abrotman | zepeuga: you can use a pre-up in your interfaces file also |
| 01:32.52 | liable | zepeuga: it doesnt work anyway, i have to manually start the daemon myself. i started trying to get it to start with udev, had limited success, and then gave up |
| 01:32.53 | edj | Wyzard, Got it! Thanks. |
| 01:32.57 | zepeuga | liable, in INSTALL says /etc/modules.d/ipw3945 |
| 01:33.07 | zepeuga | liable, |
| 01:33.11 | liable | zepeuga: put the file in modprobe.d |
| 01:33.12 | zepeuga | so i'll start it mannualy |
| 01:33.28 | zepeuga | just copy /sbin/ipw3945d to modules.d/ ? |
| 01:33.45 | abrotman | or you can try /etc/modutils/actions |
| 01:33.48 | liable | zepeuga: no, put that line in a file, and put the file in modprobe.d |
| 01:34.39 | liable | zepeuga: other distros are starting it with an init script. you might want to look into that |
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| 01:35.14 | liable | zepeuga: the modprobe line i am talking about, the one the install file says |
| 01:37.18 | JerJer[mobile] | all of the options on http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers fails |
| 01:37.21 | JerJer[mobile] | what do i do next? |
| 01:37.28 | JerJer[mobile] | why was nvidia stuff removed from etch ? |
| 01:38.00 | abrotman | !nvidia etch |
| 01:38.05 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 01:38.05 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 01:38.24 | JerJer[mobile] | that has no Makefile |
| 01:38.32 | JerJer[mobile] | in the kernel-source package |
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| 01:38.42 | JerJer[mobile] | for nvidia |
| 01:39.22 | zepeuga | liable, ok thx |
| 01:39.44 | zepeuga | can i write a /etc/modprobe.d/ipw3945 with that 2 lines i pasted ? |
| 01:39.52 | liable | yep |
| 01:39.53 | kjdis | When trying to run direct framebuffer type apps, like directfb or fbxine based stuff etc, how do I "restore" my display after a crash or failure or quitting? |
| 01:40.43 | beardy | kjdis: try 'reset', but I doubt that will do anything.. |
| 01:40.52 | liable | zepeuga: i am hoping it will actually get packaged soon, theres been an itp for it for a few months now |
| 01:41.08 | zepeuga | ok |
| 01:41.25 | kjdis | beardy: yeah it did nothing, I can't even tell if the keybd still works, all I can do is initiate a shutdown and then the screen comes back |
| 01:41.41 | kjdis | but I killed (I think) all the procs that were using the display |
| 01:42.15 | beardy | kjdis: Install beep, and you know if the keyboard works. |
| 01:42.15 | kjdis | there has to be somehow to clear it, since powerdown does |
| 01:42.18 | beardy | kjdis: (by running 'beep') |
| 01:42.35 | kjdis | it works |
| 01:42.43 | kjdis | I just used back<- arrow and it beeps |
| 01:43.06 | kjdis | and up doesn't beep because it's loading history commands, got any other ideas? |
| 01:43.56 | beardy | ? Of course uparrow will not beep. |
| 01:44.23 | beardy | kjdis: Have you tried switching back and forth through your vty:s? |
| 01:45.36 | kjdis | I don't know what you mean |
| 01:46.08 | kjdis | yes I was confirming that since UP didn't beep, the system was not frozen |
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| 01:46.30 | zepeuga | liable, didnt work the /etc/modprobe.d/ipw3945 with the lines |
| 01:46.47 | abrotman | i voted pre-up! |
| 01:47.21 | dvs | abrotman: pre-nup? |
| 01:47.29 | abrotman | dvs: back off! |
| 01:47.33 | dvs | heh |
| 01:47.36 | liable | zepeuga: thats what i said. i have given up on it at the moment, but the udev way seemed the most promising, but i was getting annoyed with rebooting so i gave up |
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| 01:47.48 | zepeuga | oh oK |
| 01:47.58 | asg | abrotman: If I marry you, I get all the Cheesesteaks |
| 01:48.05 | zepeuga | so, notihing to do, besides loading it manually |
| 01:48.19 | abrotman | asg: i'll give you some meat! |
| 01:48.22 | sanmarcos | can one have dual monitors by using an agp nvidia card and a pci ati card? |
| 01:48.34 | Wyzard | sanmarcos: Yes, but you can't get OpenGL on both |
| 01:48.37 | shogunx | san xinerama at that |
| 01:48.38 | asg | abrotman: hah |
| 01:48.40 | beardy | abrotman: Full of "cheese". |
| 01:48.48 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: dont care about opengl |
| 01:48.56 | sanmarcos | Wyzard: is there something I have to change in my setup? |
| 01:49.10 | Wyzard | You'll have to edit your xorg.conf to tell it to use both monitors |
| 01:49.21 | liable | zepeuga: pretty much, unless you try the init way, but that will only start it at boot |
| 01:49.24 | shogunx | sanmarcos, agp nvidia and pci matrox here... works great |
| 01:49.54 | zepeuga | liable, yeah, its good too. How can i put it on init boot ? |
| 01:50.11 | liable | zepeuga: its a completely stupid fucking wireless driver. one of the bsd devs has reverse engineered it without the daemon, but i dunno if going to be ported to linux |
| 01:50.44 | shogunx | liable which card? |
| 01:50.48 | zepeuga | 3945 |
| 01:50.55 | liable | zepeuga: google, i havent looked into it myself. actually i think the itp bug mentions it |
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| 01:51.01 | liable | shogunx: ipw3945 |
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| 01:51.37 | shogunx | liable likely still needs intels firmware, eh? |
| 01:51.41 | jetscreamer | ' |
| 01:51.44 | liable | zepeuga: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6650 |
| 01:51.53 | liable | shogunx: firmware yes. |
| 01:53.08 | gravity | jetscreamer: FUCK YEAH! |
| 01:53.14 | shogunx | i have a big concern over these binary firmware blobs for recent wireless chips. marvell for example. those chips are little arm cores too, complete system on chip. who knows wtf its doing. |
| 01:53.39 | jetscreamer | a toshiba laptop with xp got uppity on me |
| 01:53.40 | liable | zepeuga: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=372118 has a link to an init started package |
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| 01:53.44 | abrotman | shogunx: join the club |
| 01:53.46 | zepeuga | ok thx |
| 01:54.12 | shogunx | abrotman, got my membership card right here. |
| 01:54.22 | abrotman | shogunx: wait .. where'd yo ugo ? |
| 01:54.37 | liable | that kerneltrap article has an interesting pov on firmware |
| 01:54.45 | shogunx | been working on this: http://gnuveau.net/cgi-bin/wiki.cgi |
| 01:54.55 | shogunx | abrotman^^ |
| 01:55.09 | asg | shogunx: that's quite green |
| 01:55.23 | shogunx | asg in more than one way;) |
| 01:56.15 | asg | you have to start somewhere though :) |
| 01:56.43 | shogunx | asg its a pretty fun box. outlasted a small hurricane. |
| 01:56.45 | zepeuga | liable, i've downloaded a .diff.gz file, i've extracted but it dont know what to do with the diff |
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| 01:57.19 | asg | zepeuga: man patch |
| 01:57.27 | zepeuga | ok |
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| 01:58.37 | shogunx | abrotman i almost have that solved for atheros on x86 using some code from MIT and an older branch of madwifi, but damned if i can get it going on x86_64. |
| 01:59.06 | shogunx | abrotman, the openhal needs to be ported yet. |
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| 01:59.22 | jcreigh | hey, is there any default keybinding for "scroll up" in firefox that I can use without taking my hands off the home row? |
| 01:59.34 | zepeuga | asg, what options i need to that patch ? patch -p1 ? |
| 02:00.19 | asg | zepeuga: it depends where the patch is in relation to the src tree to be patched |
| 02:00.55 | zepeuga | well...i don't even know where to apply the patch...maybe the source dir of "ipw3945d" ? |
| 02:01.16 | liable | zepeuga: cd into the source and start with p0, if it fails, try p1 |
| 02:01.17 | zepeuga | who knows is liable |
| 02:01.35 | liable | zepeuga: i havent looked at the package. |
| 02:01.39 | zepeuga | ok |
| 02:02.14 | zepeuga | liable, to source of ipw3945d ? |
| 02:02.22 | liable | zepeuga: i believe ubuntu uses the init way too, maybe get one of the debs and extract it and get the start script (or you could prolly just right one yourself) |
| 02:02.37 | liable | zepeuga: i would imagine the module package |
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| 02:03.26 | liable | zepeuga: oh, yes, it says its for the daemon package |
| 02:03.33 | zepeuga | ok |
| 02:03.33 | jetscreamer | hey gravity i don't know how to say this, but you know how when you do startx, and after you log off and back in console, you always see all those font and whatever errors? dude i don't know how to tell you this... but they're gone... :) \o/ |
| 02:03.37 | liable | says it in the file name :) |
| 02:04.11 | liable | is that why we are getting forced upgrade of xorg.conf? |
| 02:05.04 | danieldg | jetscreamer: are you having problems staring X? |
| 02:05.17 | danieldg | I just got done pulling my hair out about that :) |
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| 02:05.45 | jetscreamer | no danieldg no problem here |
| 02:05.58 | jetscreamer | those were ignorable errors anyway |
| 02:06.04 | jetscreamer | thanks though |
| 02:06.17 | zepeuga | liable, can't i just make a ln -s /sbin/ipw3945d to the init dir, despite module was/wasnt loaded ? |
| 02:06.23 | danieldg | ok, just thought that was a wierd conincidence that I just solved that problem here |
| 02:06.39 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 02:06.53 | liable | zepeuga: nope, google and you should be able to find a script for it |
| 02:06.55 | jetscreamer | it happens every day, multiple times, diff ppl :) |
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| 02:07.20 | jetscreamer | we have many factoids for x prolems |
| 02:07.29 | danieldg | where is the correct path for the FontPath entries? |
| 02:07.38 | danieldg | have a factoid for that? |
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| 02:08.05 | jetscreamer | ummmm |
| 02:08.14 | jetscreamer | i have evil non debian factoid for that |
| 02:08.19 | jetscreamer | very bad |
| 02:08.28 | danieldg | mkay... |
| 02:09.16 | jetscreamer | you need to apt-get some package lemme think which one before you run http://kanotix.com/files/fix-fonts.sh |
| 02:09.37 | jetscreamer | mkttfconfig ? |
| 02:09.51 | zepeuga | liable, ill prey to be quickly inserted in kernel modules |
| 02:09.59 | abrotman | pray |
| 02:10.16 | liable | zepeuga: just start the bugger manually :) |
| 02:10.36 | jetscreamer | danieldg: it's apt-get install fttools |
| 02:10.45 | liable | its a pain in the ass to restart though when your connection goes screwy |
| 02:10.46 | kjdis | Anyone got any more suggestions for resetting the display after DirectFB (or similar) based apps don't wanna give it back? |
| 02:11.05 | jetscreamer | in console just type reset |
| 02:11.14 | jetscreamer | and hit enter |
| 02:11.21 | kjdis | doesn't work |
| 02:11.36 | jetscreamer | no idea then |
| 02:11.40 | jetscreamer | i suck :( |
| 02:12.11 | shogunx | Magic SysRq? |
| 02:12.27 | kjdis | when I hit the power button to shutdown, it comes back, is that because it unloads the driver or something? I think (but I am not sure) that I kill all the relevant procs but maybe I didn't |
| 02:12.43 | danieldg | jetscreamer: after running that script... do I just add the given directories to the FontPath? |
| 02:13.05 | jetscreamer | danieldg: i just ran it. added nothing. |
| 02:13.17 | teledyn | kjdis: maybe run strace on the app in question? |
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| 02:14.40 | danieldg | Fatal server error: could not open default font 'fixed' |
| 02:15.33 | liable | danieldg: whats your font line in xorg.conf? do you have fonts installed? how did you install x? |
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| 02:16.09 | danieldg | it's been working fine, I just restarted kdm. I installed X by aptitude install xorg |
| 02:16.28 | danieldg | had to restart for the nvidia exploit... |
| 02:16.33 | kjdis | I am not familiar with strace, I'll look into it |
| 02:16.40 | liable | nvidia exploit? |
| 02:17.00 | danieldg | http://digg.com/security/NVIDIA_Binary_Graphics_Driver_Exploit |
| 02:17.10 | liable | ooh |
| 02:17.17 | danieldg | pretty bad one... |
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| 02:18.36 | phogg | yikes. Visiting a web page? |
| 02:19.16 | danieldg | ah, adding the extra paths to my FontPath worked |
| 02:20.21 | danieldg | jetscreamer: thanks for the script, looks like it works now |
| 02:21.39 | abrotman | liable: read .. any linux news outlet :) |
| 02:22.03 | liable | abrotman: yeah, dunno how i missed that one.. :) |
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| 02:22.38 | abrotman | liable: newly sheared sheep ? |
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| 02:22.48 | liable | baah |
| 02:22.52 | liable | erm, bah |
| 02:23.34 | edju | CUPS on ubuntu client to connect to s debian server. Missing /etc/cups/client.conf, which I need to set up the client. Any clue for the clueless appreciated. |
| 02:23.56 | liable | install cupsys? |
| 02:24.13 | pzn | if I use DNAT to redirect a connection from internet to intranet, it works ok. if I use rinetd or pound, it works when there are few connections... if there are 20 connections at once (webpage with 20 jpegs), rinetd or pound miss the connection. does anyone knows why? |
| 02:24.27 | liable | edju: you should prolly ask in #ubuntu, as its the client that appears broken |
| 02:24.37 | pzn | pound is supposed to accept lots of connections in a few seconds. |
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| 02:25.55 | zamaliphe | what is the name of the kde program that i can use to access to windows network ? |
| 02:26.15 | shogunx | netcat:) |
| 02:26.45 | zamaliphe | windos share folders :D |
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| 02:27.05 | shogunx | xsmbrowser perhaps? |
| 02:27.24 | shogunx | not a kde specific app, but should do the trick. |
| 02:27.49 | liable | i think konqueror even has a smb bit ? |
| 02:28.01 | shogunx | perhaps. |
| 02:28.14 | abrotman | konq has a kio slave for smb:// |
| 02:28.17 | abrotman | or some crap like that |
| 02:28.20 | phogg | zamaliphe: there is a kioslave for that, I believe. Or there ought to be |
| 02:28.22 | abrotman | where's lunitik when you need to know kde krap |
| 02:28.31 | shogunx | trinux had an interesting one called smbadm that was pretty interesting a few years back. |
| 02:29.18 | zamaliphe | phogg: thanks |
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| 02:33.47 | etzerd | hello all |
| 02:34.06 | etzerd | when the new version of Debian will be release? |
| 02:34.25 | zinx | !etch release |
| 02:34.28 | zinx | darn. |
| 02:34.32 | abrotman | when it's ready |
| 02:34.33 | abrotman | !wwer |
| 02:34.34 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 02:35.07 | etzerd | zinx: you mean etch already release? |
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| 02:35.31 | ApEtc | etzerd: Read what dpkg said |
| 02:36.14 | diskus | web pages says something about december 2006 |
| 02:37.29 | abrotman | pipedream |
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| 02:37.50 | phogg | christmas miricle? |
| 02:38.00 | liable | abrotman: what, you saying a debian release will be late? nevar! |
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| 02:38.52 | abrotman | liable: you didn't donate did you? |
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| 02:39.04 | liable | heh, no |
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| 02:39.36 | liable | you can lay the full blame for etch being late on my shoulders :) |
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| 02:44.28 | abrotman | !moo |
| 02:44.28 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 02:45.09 | AfterDeath | lol |
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| 02:57.57 | scrillaz | hello. how i do i add repos in etch? |
| 02:58.05 | abrotman | for what ? |
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| 02:58.39 | scrillaz | like multimedia |
| 02:58.45 | abrotman | like .. mplayer? |
| 02:58.54 | scrillaz | ya |
| 02:58.56 | abrotman | be a bit more specific please :) |
| 02:59.04 | abrotman | try debian-multimedia.org |
| 02:59.10 | scrillaz | k. |
| 02:59.43 | scrillaz | i wanna add maybe like 10 mirrors using the commandline |
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| 02:59.54 | scrillaz | forget how to do that |
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| 03:00.38 | liable | ten mirrors? |
| 03:00.58 | scrillaz | i meant repos |
| 03:01.13 | pestilence | are there any good open source bulliten board/forum software out there? it seems like all the good sites use vBulletin |
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| 03:01.47 | abrotman | scrillaz: like .. vi |
| 03:01.48 | scrillaz | i think there's a command i can type that would bring up the same screen like when i was installing etch |
| 03:01.56 | abrotman | pestilence: apt-cache search forum ? |
| 03:02.02 | abrotman | apt-setup ? |
| 03:02.08 | abrotman | scrillaz: apt-setup got removed from etch |
| 03:02.15 | scrillaz | oh ok |
| 03:02.24 | pestilence | abrotman, sure, but that doesn't tell you if they are any good |
| 03:02.42 | pestilence | i'm thinking phpbb2 is my only option, though. |
| 03:02.44 | abrotman | uhm .. only you will know if it's any good .. try them all! |
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| 03:03.02 | pestilence | abrotman, jee whiz, thanks ;) |
| 03:03.11 | zamaliphe | i cant see the kaffeine playerlist and i dont know whay ? . i can only see the file brwes i have remove kaffeine and re install it and it is the same i'm using debian testing |
| 03:03.13 | benkong2 | Anyone aware of a kdesu problem in Etch? I can open a terminal and all works but any prog that calls kdesu fails with incorrect password. P.S. How do I get the system info to show for bug submission? |
| 03:03.17 | abrotman | pestilence: freshmeat might help a bit with ratings .. or the popcon |
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| 03:03.36 | scrillaz | thnx abrotman |
| 03:03.37 | pestilence | abrotman, true. |
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| 03:03.44 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:03.45 | dpkg | well, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:04.08 | abrotman | pestilence: there should be a good number .. phpbb is the only one i know of personally though |
| 03:04.42 | pestilence | abrotman, i was hoping vBulletin was free. it's pretty darn good |
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| 03:04.57 | trand | why does madwifi-source conflict with many other packages? I had to uninstall it today morning. it comes to kernel-source ? |
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| 03:07.40 | diskus | I hate vBulletin based forums |
| 03:08.38 | pestilence | diskus, what do you prefer |
| 03:08.45 | pestilence | in a www bb, of course. |
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| 03:10.53 | Blacken | What's the tool to autoconfigure GRUB (as the installer does, detecting Windows installs, etc.)? |
| 03:11.19 | zamaliphe | how to install an older ver of kaffeine ? do i have to compill it ? |
| 03:11.40 | dondelelcaro | Blacken: update-grub |
| 03:12.03 | zamaliphe | i use 8.2-2 |
| 03:12.10 | Blacken | dondelelcaro: Thanks. Will that unscrew a box hat has had Windows installed over the |
| 03:12.16 | dondelelcaro | Blacken: no |
| 03:12.19 | Blacken | Ahem. Over the MBR, or do I have to grub-install again? |
| 03:12.24 | dondelelcaro | Blacken: to deal with that, you have to use grub-install |
| 03:12.31 | Blacken | Alright, cool. Thanks. |
| 03:12.38 | dondelelcaro | (and you don't need to do any configuration to deal with it) |
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| 03:16.28 | benkong2 | how do I get the system info displayed as I see in the bug reports filed? |
| 03:18.09 | dondelelcaro | benkong2: it's done by reportbug; it has a set of modules which display that information. You can get the same sort of stuff using dpkg -l et al. |
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| 03:20.14 | benkong2 | dondelelcaro: thanks |
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| 03:24.00 | benkong2 | ok I have kdelibs 3.5.5a-1 installed all my other stuff is kde 3.5.4. I don't know why anyway I cannot kdesu and want to revert to kdelibs 3.5.4 how can I do that? |
| 03:26.12 | dondelelcaro | benkong2: add a snapshot.debian.org source for kdelibs, and apt-get --reinstall install kdelibs=3.5.4; or whatever is appropriate. |
| 03:26.52 | benkong2 | ok thanks |
| 03:27.22 | benkong2 | wait what is a snapshot.debian.org source? |
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| 03:27.32 | benkong2 | and add to what? |
| 03:27.51 | benkong2 | dondelelcaro: my sources.list? |
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| 03:30.36 | xKintaro | Hey. |
| 03:30.45 | dondelelcaro | benkong2: see snapshot.debian.net; for details and yes, add it to your sources.list |
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| 03:30.59 | mrkris | oh? |
| 03:31.27 | xKintaro | Which of the many debian CD ISOs hold xfree, gnome, xfce or wmaker, apache, squid, mysql, php,and such? |
| 03:31.30 | benkong2 | dondelelcaro: thanks again. ciao |
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| 03:34.05 | Kintaro | Back |
| 03:34.21 | Kintaro | router just got sploitz thrown at it or something :/ |
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| 03:35.23 | Vaske_Car | Can anybody tell me how to change resuliton? It is limitd to 800 by 600 max. I use ATI9200SE video card. |
| 03:35.29 | Vaske_Car | resolution* |
| 03:39.30 | devicenull | I've got a question.. is there anything in a default install of debian that would cause my laptop to switch over to battery power about once a day. |
| 03:39.45 | devicenull | Its not a power outage, unless my power adapter is dieing.. |
| 03:40.27 | cast | Desktop -> Preferences -> Screen Resolution in GNOME |
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| 03:44.41 | Overand | Apache 1.3, with a number of virtual hosts setup. I don't get directory listings in any except the default one... suggestions? |
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| 03:45.33 | sandman | What's a good NIS package to install, such that I may browse Windows shares? |
| 03:45.51 | Vaske_Car | how do I edit file that limiting it? |
| 03:46.07 | Vaske_Car | or how do I install right driver for ATI card, not generic one that is installed? |
| 03:46.25 | liable | Overand: have options indexes? |
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| 03:46.48 | wols | sandman: windose shares? with NIS? |
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| 03:46.56 | wols | sandman: you mean samba? |
| 03:47.12 | sandman | Well, it says NIS or Samba is required |
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| 03:48.49 | Rusty1 | !ati |
| 03:48.49 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx>, or http://kaerpf.ethz.ch/pub/debian-local/share/kernel/fglrx-driver, or for etch/testing and sid/unstable, just install fglrx-driver and fglrx-kernel-src and read /usr/share/doc/fglrx-kernel-src/README.Debian.gz |
| 03:49.22 | Overand | liable: yeah, fixed it. Apparently reading the config file and *paying attenion* helps |
| 03:49.25 | Overand | =] |
| 03:49.31 | liable | heh |
| 03:49.33 | Overand | Thanks for the heads up on the keyword, though. |
| 03:49.41 | liable | np |
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| 03:50.24 | wols | sandman: for NIS on Windows you need additional (paid for) software |
| 03:50.41 | wols | and it will still suck |
| 03:51.09 | wols | mor than built in windows network shares that is |
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| 04:01.28 | Vaske_Car | What I have to do first in order to get higher resolution? Do I need to install diferent ATI divers or modify settings? |
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| 04:04.13 | predder | Vaske_Car, tried dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg? |
| 04:04.26 | predder | (assuming you're running testing/etch) |
| 04:04.35 | Growly|OMGWTF | guys... |
| 04:04.49 | Growly|OMGWTF | i've been getting these errors on my raid5 array: |
| 04:05.09 | Growly|OMGWTF | ata1: command 0x25 timeout, stat 0x51 host_stat 0x61 |
| 04:05.09 | Growly|OMGWTF | scsi0: ERROR on channel 0, id 0, lun 0, CDB: Read (10) 00 10 da f8 00 00 01 00 00 |
| 04:05.09 | Growly|OMGWTF | Current sda: sense key Medium Error |
| 04:05.09 | Growly|OMGWTF | Additional sense: Unrecovered read error - auto reallocate failed |
| 04:05.09 | Growly|OMGWTF | end_request: I/O error, dev sda, sector 282785792 |
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| 04:05.26 | Growly|OMGWTF | right |
| 04:05.29 | Growly|OMGWTF | where was i do |
| 04:05.30 | Growly|OMGWTF | *i |
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| 04:08.45 | Vaske_Car | predder: it is not installed if I type that command |
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| 04:09.28 | Vaske_Car | I did manually modify resolution in XF86Config-4 file |
| 04:09.37 | Vaske_Car | how do I restart X server now? |
| 04:09.51 | predder | make sure you've saved everything |
| 04:10.02 | Vaske_Car | I did woth GEDIT |
| 04:10.03 | predder | ie you dont haveanything running you neet |
| 04:10.14 | predder | need* |
| 04:10.25 | predder | then ctrl + alt + backspace to restart X |
| 04:10.41 | Vaske_Car | let me try |
| 04:11.17 | Growly|OMGWTF | does anyone know why my sata drives would start spurting "end_request: I/O error, dev sdx, sector xyz"? |
| 04:11.23 | Growly|OMGWTF | it's happened to two of my drives |
| 04:11.32 | Growly|OMGWTF | one of them did it so often that it was eventually dropped from the array |
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| 04:11.55 | predder | the physical drives could be problematic. I'd highly recommend getting the manufacture's diagnotic tools and doing an extended test |
| 04:12.15 | predder | <insert backup warning here> |
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| 04:12.29 | Growly|OMGWTF | yes, this is what i'm afraid of. the only problem is that doing so isn't terribly convenient, and I was wondering if there were any fancy pants in-debian methods of doing something to check it... |
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| 04:12.35 | Growly|OMGWTF | basically, i would like some knowledge. |
| 04:12.41 | Growly|OMGWTF | i will provide much kudos in return. |
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| 04:13.41 | predder | I don't know anything short of fsck sorry :) |
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| 04:19.12 | SerajewelKS | Growly|OMGWTF: smartmontools maybe |
| 04:19.39 | Growly|OMGWTF | yeup, got that |
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| 04:19.58 | Growly|OMGWTF | i got it to dump the smart data, but wasn't experienced enough to know what any of it meant |
| 04:20.07 | Growly|OMGWTF | specifically this one table... |
| 04:20.19 | wols | Growly|OMGWTF: smartmontools long test |
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| 04:20.33 | wols | it checks every sector on disk, taks half an hour or more |
| 04:20.50 | Growly|OMGWTF | maybe i should just spinrite it? |
| 04:21.16 | durad_ | Peggerr: I did change resolution, now is there a way to increase icons and everything with this new resolution? |
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| 04:29.09 | durad_ | Is there a way to change DPI setting for window and icon size? |
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| 04:31.16 | exobyte | If I bridge a bunch of ethernet ports together, I'll have a software switch, right? |
| 04:31.25 | Growly|OMGWTF | yes |
| 04:31.31 | exobyte | nifty... |
| 04:31.45 | Growly|OMGWTF | i did that once actually |
| 04:31.47 | Growly|OMGWTF | quite fun times |
| 04:32.06 | exobyte | it's slow, but it's cheap :) |
| 04:32.16 | exobyte | ok, sorta cheap |
| 04:32.22 | Growly|OMGWTF | yeah, well i mainly wanted a wireless access point of sorts |
| 04:32.25 | durad_ | can anybody give me quick guide of how to install Windows based program on Debian trought wine or vine? |
| 04:32.27 | Growly|OMGWTF | actually it was a bridge |
| 04:32.35 | sparr | how can i disable email delivery for the debian mailing lists? |
| 04:32.38 | exobyte | Growly|OMGWTF: ahhh |
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| 04:32.52 | exobyte | durad_: usually something like wine setup.exe |
| 04:33.01 | Kevin` | some wireless cards, in linux, can act as a true wireless ap |
| 04:33.13 | Growly|OMGWTF | the prism54 chipset was reknowned for it |
| 04:33.20 | wols | durad_: use IP forwarding |
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| 04:33.50 | wko | hi there, can anyone tellme how to set kde as mi default window manager in spite of gnome ? |
| 04:33.57 | exobyte | Growly|OMGWTF: I think I'm using openwrt for my router. I really want to have my network infrastructure using solid state storage |
| 04:34.01 | wols | durad_: wine setup.exe (after you set up wine) and pray: setup programs a notoriously difficult |
| 04:34.21 | exobyte | Growly|OMGWTF: about the switch... funny story.. I have a 48 port gigabit switch just sitting there |
| 04:34.32 | eldowan | using mencoder 1:1.0-pre8cvs20060919-0.0 (dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.2) the -noskip option seems to be chopping the last minute or so from my movies. An example: `mencoder -oac copy -noskip -ovc copy -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -o 1.mpg Fellowship-Disc1-001.vob -aid 128 `. Has anyone else experienced this problem? |
| 04:34.42 | wols | sparr: explain a bit further please |
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| 04:35.10 | wols | eldowan: best ask mplayer folks directly |
| 04:35.22 | sparr | wols: i would like to make the mailing list not send me emails |
| 04:35.24 | eldowan | I forgot #mplayer existed. |
| 04:35.32 | wols | sparr: unsbubscribe then |
| 04:36.14 | wols | sparr: http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub |
| 04:37.06 | sparr | wols: no, i want to remain subscribed |
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| 04:37.30 | durad_ | how do I change the network group name ? |
| 04:37.32 | wols | then check if there is vacation mode |
| 04:37.44 | wols | durad_: what is a network group name? |
| 04:37.50 | durad_ | WORKGROUP |
| 04:37.59 | wols | durad_: in your smb.conf |
| 04:38.10 | timeless | can someone point me to a reference for debugging debootstrap? i'm getting an error about adduser, but the package exists if i read Packages and follow the expected path :( |
| 04:38.13 | sparr | wols: thats what im doing |
| 04:38.30 | durad_ | I do not use Sambe, I just want to access Win2000 box |
| 04:38.37 | durad_ | is it still in smb.conf? |
| 04:38.44 | wols | durad_: access in what way? |
| 04:39.02 | durad_ | from Debian PC I want to access shared folder on Win2000 |
| 04:39.11 | durad_ | I see the PC but can not access it |
| 04:39.13 | wols | man mount. look for smb |
| 04:39.22 | wols | also for testing, use smbclient |
| 04:39.47 | wols | you need the package smbfs for that |
| 04:39.57 | sparr | id really like to avoid the recommended recourse of just having gmane disable nntp->mailinglist posting for the debian lists |
| 04:39.59 | wols | and smbclient too |
| 04:40.26 | wols | sparr: I gave you an URL. have you checked it? |
| 04:41.32 | wols | seems there is no vacationing mode |
| 04:41.50 | wols | so either use the recommended method or unsub and resub again |
| 04:41.51 | sparr | wols: so it seems |
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| 04:42.15 | sparr | what effect would unsub/resub have? |
| 04:43.10 | wols | same as vacationing mode. untill you resub: no mails |
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| 04:43.26 | Yggdrasil_ | can somone tell me what grub error 17 is ? |
| 04:43.27 | sparr | i dont ever want to get the mails. but if i unsub then i cant send mails to the list |
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| 04:47.44 | wols | Yggdrasil_: can't find its state1.5 and stage2 files in /boot/grub |
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| 04:48.05 | sparr | so, the mailing lists being stuck in the 80s (along with the bug reporting system), ill stick to asking questions on irc |
| 04:48.14 | wols | maybe you could have googled it? "grub error 17" and you will find tons of explanations |
| 04:48.34 | wols | sparr: since you can't receive, what good will sending messages do? spamming? |
| 04:49.13 | Yggdrasil_ | hhah ok thanks wols |
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| 04:49.20 | Yggdrasil_ | your always a lifesaver man |
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| 04:50.07 | roger21 | hi |
| 04:50.11 | sparr | wols: i can read the list on the gmane newsgroups, same as i always have. |
| 04:50.56 | roger21 | can someone explain me why i have a busybox "error" message at boot since my last update |
| 04:51.05 | tuv | is nvidia going to be available for etch when it is released or not? |
| 04:51.07 | tuv | it's been a long while since nvidia was last in testing :( |
| 04:51.20 | wols | tuv: probably |
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| 04:51.31 | cat | hey i have a question |
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| 04:51.54 | sparr | wols: and for most other lists that gmane mirrors, i can post on the newsgroup too. but apparently the debian devs filled out their gmane configuration incorrectly, so it thinks i can post when i cant |
| 04:51.56 | cat | http://manpages.debian.net what program does it have so i can see the commands, on a explorer? |
| 04:52.04 | cat | perhaps mozilla so i can view and study the commands |
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| 04:52.37 | wols | the web is accessed with a program called "a browser" |
| 04:52.50 | wols | there is no "explorer" that you speak of |
| 04:52.56 | cat | right |
| 04:53.07 | cat | but the program, what is called? |
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| 04:53.25 | cat | go to the website so u can see those commands |
| 04:53.40 | wols | there are tons. depends what you need/want |
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| 04:54.26 | cat | i just want a program like that to view, commands |
| 04:54.31 | wols | which of the three formats do you man |
| 04:54.33 | wols | man |
| 04:54.35 | cat | since i don't have internet so i can read up commands |
| 04:54.37 | wols | just use man |
| 04:54.43 | Vaske_Car | Are you guys sure that I need samba in order to access network shared folder on Win2000pro machine? |
| 04:54.46 | cat | right, but i want it to view, on the site like that website |
| 04:55.07 | wols | you don't have internet. you can't. Use man |
| 04:55.19 | wols | Vaske_Car: I already told you what you need. scroll up |
| 04:55.30 | Vaske_Car | I added new group called "WORKGROUP" that win2000 use but still can not access it. I also added my name to that group...... |
| 04:55.37 | Vaske_Car | sorry I exited winow |
| 04:55.39 | cat | wols: right now i want to download that package |
| 04:55.43 | Vaske_Car | window* |
| 04:55.56 | wols | linux/samba/smfs doesn't care about workgroups. what does smbclient say? |
| 04:55.56 | cat | man2html |
| 04:55.59 | cat | or something like that |
| 04:56.32 | Vaske_Car | wait, do I need smbclient only or complete Samba package? |
| 04:56.49 | wols | then do it.why anyone would need it is beyond me. |
| 04:56.58 | wols | cat: have you actually searched? |
| 04:57.04 | wols | Vaske_Car: smbfs, smbclient |
| 04:57.57 | Vaske_Car | Installed |
| 04:58.04 | Vaske_Car | now what do I modify? |
| 04:58.17 | wols | nothing. you check with smbclient and mount with mount |
| 04:58.59 | wols | if the win2k server is in a domain it's trickier. Look for a howto then |
| 04:59.09 | Vaske_Car | no it is not in domain |
| 04:59.17 | Vaske_Car | it use standard networking |
| 05:00.08 | Vaske_Car | I do not understnad what do you mean wity "you check wity smbclinet" If I go Applications, Network Servers and click on that server It says that I do not have permission. |
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| 05:00.34 | Vaske_Car | From other XP boxes I can access it |
| 05:00.42 | wols | you open a console and run man smbclient |
| 05:01.12 | wols | Vaske_Car: what debian version are you running? |
| 05:01.17 | eps | how do you set epiphany to use alsa? |
| 05:01.26 | Vaske_Car | latest one |
| 05:01.30 | Vaske_Car | just installed |
| 05:01.39 | Vaske_Car | from the internet directly |
| 05:01.40 | wols | Vaske_Car: dpkg -l libc6. what version does it spit out? |
| 05:02.17 | wols | there are currently 3 different debian versions out there you can install |
| 05:02.53 | Vaske_Car | dpkg -l libc6. |
| 05:02.53 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6. |
| 05:03.02 | Vaske_Car | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa GNU C |
| 05:03.54 | wols | your permission error means the username or password is wrong or is not given |
| 05:04.17 | wols | that's why you use smbclient and give it. via commandline |
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| 05:04.30 | Vaske_Car | there is no password, it is open to all machines that are members on WORKGROUP |
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| 05:04.50 | Vaske_Car | you mean add user in samba? |
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| 05:05.28 | wols | no |
| 05:06.04 | wols | smbclient -L <ip of win2k> |
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| 05:06.40 | sparr | is there a way to schedule package installation for the next reboot so that I dont lose the ability to play games when I install new video drivers? |
| 05:07.07 | godzirra | Heya guys. I'm getting errors saying "Can't write to /dev/null" ... but the permissions on /dev/null are definitely set rw for everyone. What am I doing wrong? |
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| 05:07.44 | wols | OMG! /dev/null has filled up! |
| 05:08.00 | godzirra | O NOZE! |
| 05:08.36 | godzirra | But really... how come I can't write to /dev/null? |
| 05:08.58 | wols | cp <file> /dev/null working? |
| 05:09.23 | godzirra | apparently. |
| 05:11.31 | godzirra | This perl code is what its denying: open(STDIN,'/dev/null') or fatal "Can't read /dev/null: $!"; |
| 05:11.44 | wols | duh! |
| 05:11.50 | godzirra | Hey, it works on another machine.... |
| 05:11.57 | wols | /dev/null can't be read. what should it return? |
| 05:12.08 | godzirra | oh wait |
| 05:12.10 | godzirra | actually that does work. |
| 05:12.12 | wols | you said "can't WRITE to /dev/null" earlier |
| 05:12.16 | godzirra | don't ask me why. |
| 05:12.17 | godzirra | open(STDOUT,">>$LOGFILE") or fatal "Can't write to /dev/null: $!"; |
| 05:12.19 | godzirra | THAT is the line |
| 05:12.27 | godzirra | sorry, its late. Got called by my boss at 1am to fix a stupid pr oblem |
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| 05:12.38 | wols | godzirra: that's shitty code. very shitty |
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| 05:12.46 | godzirra | Hey, I didn't write it. I'm not disagreeing with you. |
| 05:12.59 | wols | open returns a value, and error message if failing. you simply assume it's Can't write to... |
| 05:13.04 | wols | fix your program |
| 05:13.50 | Lauren_ | Hi guys, I installed debian the other day and for some reason when i try to install office it wont install. |
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| 05:13.50 | wols | check what the real error is, not the assumed one |
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| 05:13.50 | Lauren_ | it is a real error |
| 05:13.50 | wols | Lauren_: open office? |
| 05:13.50 | Lauren_ | word |
| 05:13.51 | wols | that error thing wasn't for you |
| 05:14.00 | godzirra | I don't just assume that its can't write to. I know its permission denied, because it returns to me permission denied... |
| 05:14.00 | wols | but you didn't give us an error message. you gave us crap |
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| 05:14.10 | godzirra | The error gets put in $! doesn't it? |
| 05:14.13 | wols | and word doesn't come with debian, last time I checked. ask Microsoft. they made it |
| 05:14.24 | Lauren_ | it just wouldnt start |
| 05:14.27 | wols | godzirra: I'm no perl programmer. ask #perö |
| 05:14.30 | wols | *perl |
| 05:14.37 | cast | Lauren_: out of curiosity, what faculty are you in? |
| 05:14.40 | godzirra | Bleh. Ok, thanks., |
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| 05:15.36 | Lauren_ | digital media |
| 05:15.45 | Lauren_ | and I can't even install photoshop :/ |
| 05:15.49 | Lauren_ | whats wrong with this OS |
| 05:15.52 | cast | Lauren_: a question like yours reminds me of a troll. though, if you need word in debian go buy crossover office. or download vmware and install winxp. |
| 05:16.04 | lunitik | Lauren_: umm... go ask Codeweavers about it... they'll tell you how to get all those things installed |
| 05:16.12 | wols | Lauren_: maybe adobe didn't make this OS for photoshop? |
| 05:16.18 | wols | just a hunch, really |
| 05:16.44 | wols | or rather, photoshop for this OS |
| 05:16.48 | Lauren_ | I dont like windows, all the spyware made my computer slow. and debian is really fast! but that could be because i am not running any applications? |
| 05:16.59 | Lauren_ | how?! |
| 05:17.00 | godzirra | But why would you want to? |
| 05:17.05 | Vaske_Car | wols, please just temm me 2 things, how to enable universe in Debiand and what is the best forum to ask questions, I will figure out all other stuff |
| 05:17.09 | lunitik | Lauren_: www.codeweavers.com |
| 05:17.16 | SubStack | linux is hella-slow for me today |
| 05:17.18 | wols | Vaske_Car: there is no universe |
| 05:17.23 | SubStack | stupid vesa driver |
| 05:17.29 | wols | there are debian repositories and that's it |
| 05:17.37 | cast | Lauren_: we use the gimp for graphics and openoffice for word documents, btw :> |
| 05:17.41 | wols | Vaske_Car: and you didn't tell me what you got from smbclient as output |
| 05:17.45 | Vaske_Car | how can I instll packages from synaptic that are not open source like Opera, Xara.. |
| 05:17.54 | lunitik | cast: speak for yourself!!!!! KOffice ;) |
| 05:17.58 | Vaske_Car | I will post it to pastebin just a sec |
| 05:17.59 | Lauren_ | Gimp is really annoying. and where are you from cast? |
| 05:18.00 | wols | Vaske_Car: ask the vendors if they have repositories |
| 05:18.09 | wols | !paster |
| 05:18.10 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 05:18.14 | wols | do not use pastebin.com |
| 05:18.23 | cast | Vaske_Car: deb.opera.com or something is a repo for opera |
| 05:18.44 | Lauren_ | I am new to Linux. Debian is Linux isnt it? |
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| 05:18.52 | wols | Lauren_: it is |
| 05:18.58 | Lauren_ | or is it Unix? My bf installed it and I cant run word |
| 05:18.59 | Lauren_ | :/ |
| 05:18.59 | cast | lies. |
| 05:19.03 | Nurbs | cast: oh, nice. |
| 05:19.16 | wols | Lauren_: go to dreamweavres and buy Crossover Office. it can run both photoshop (dunno about CS2) and Office |
| 05:19.22 | lunitik | Lauren_: 'apt-get install kword' |
| 05:19.30 | Lauren_ | can I play WoW on debian? |
| 05:19.37 | lunitik | Lauren_: yes |
| 05:19.46 | beardy | wols: ... |
| 05:19.51 | Lauren_ | I double clicked on the install but it wouldnt run |
| 05:19.51 | wols | codeweavers. not dreamweavers |
| 05:19.54 | wols | it's early... |
| 05:20.04 | wols | !troll Lauren_ |
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| 05:20.16 | beardy | wols: Not that.. that you even mention such crap in here. |
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| 05:20.36 | Lauren_ | whats a troll? |
| 05:20.47 | lunitik | Lauren_: you are |
| 05:20.59 | wols | Lauren_: if your bf installed it for you, tell him to install Word for you as well |
| 05:21.04 | Lauren_ | is that another name for Newbie? |
| 05:21.14 | Lauren_ | yeah, but we had an argument over the linux |
| 05:21.20 | lunitik | @troll Lauren_ |
| 05:21.22 | cast | lunitik: to be fair...she's not in the CS, IT, physics or engineering departments. why would you expect Lauren_ to know anything about computers at all? |
| 05:21.23 | epsilon | Lauren_: no, another word for you are from down under |
| 05:21.38 | Vaske_Car | wols, http://pastebin.ca/206013 |
| 05:21.57 | lunitik | cast: she got onto IRC, and joined #debian ... yet is utterly clueless? |
| 05:22.03 | wols | Lauren_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll |
| 05:22.30 | Lauren_ | I know how to use IRC, anyone knows how to use it. |
| 05:22.43 | Lauren_ | and I AM NOT a troll |
| 05:22.53 | sandman_ | Is there a program to have my background cycle through various images? |
| 05:23.09 | sandman_ | Periodically? Perhaps every hour the background would switch to a randomly selected other? |
| 05:23.10 | beardy | !tell Lauren_ about grounding |
| 05:23.11 | Lauren_ | 100% legit. I came on here the other day and asked for advice on how to install. But couldnt manage it so I asked my bf. he totally screwed it up :/ |
| 05:23.26 | wols | Vaske_Car: you need a usernamed, even when there is no password (tho I thought win2k always wanted passwords) |
| 05:23.44 | beardy | Lauren_: Sounds like you should learn how to do things yourself, and not ask your bf. |
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| 05:24.07 | wols | Lauren_: read a WINE howto and look for the latest version of wine you can get. winehq.com has debs IIRC |
| 05:24.12 | Lauren_ | beardy is mean. I tried but the documentation is really big. I just know how to play wow, type email, irc, msn and word |
| 05:24.18 | cast | lunitik: there certainly is a barrier to entry for irc...but does our experience not tell is that it is not mutally exclusive of cluelessness? eh. i mean. in lesser words. irc's full of idiots. |
| 05:24.22 | beardy | wols: wtf are you on about? |
| 05:24.24 | Lauren_ | and photoshop |
| 05:24.33 | Vaske_Car | so I should type "smbclient -U Winusername" ???? |
| 05:24.34 | wols | Lauren_: how did you install WoW? |
| 05:24.35 | idealm | Hi there. How can I make apm work on laptop? I tried to do according to http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.linuxforums.org%2Fforum%2Fdebian-linux-help%2F56680-how-suspend-my-debian-etch-laptop-wheres-apm.html&ei=Amk0ReGUD57-gQKe1em_Ag&sig=__2VDt0g-0hDo9aUUyQ8s4csFVnz0=&sig2=OhWadHlahodDFyqefG7Yww, but failed. |
| 05:24.37 | jmworx | I tried using the Etch beta3 installer and it wouldn't even detect my cdrom. Anyone can help? |
| 05:24.43 | beardy | Lauren_: 'aptitude install openoffice' |
| 05:24.46 | wols | Vaske_Car: the -L stuff not to forget |
| 05:25.04 | Lauren_ | do I type that in the terminal? |
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| 05:25.06 | wols | jmworx: core2duo PC? |
| 05:25.10 | jmworx | wouldn't detect me cdrom drive I mean. No /dev/cdrom, no /dev/scdX. I've got a Dell D820 laptop. |
| 05:25.14 | lunitik | cast: hah... true enough I suppose... most do not expect Photoshop and MS Office to run on Linux without other things though.... |
| 05:25.16 | jmworx | wols: yes |
| 05:25.17 | beardy | Lauren_: Yes. |
| 05:25.19 | wols | Lauren_: you don't. you use gogole. How did you install WoW? |
| 05:25.21 | Lauren_ | thanks :) |
| 05:25.26 | jmworx | wols: known problem? |
| 05:25.39 | wols | jmworx: yes. |
| 05:25.42 | beardy | Lauren_: Do you have X installed? |
| 05:25.44 | wols | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 05:25.45 | Lauren_ | I installed WoW on my windows computer. But I cant install it on here. It says that wine works |
| 05:25.45 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 05:25.48 | wols | read the faq there |
| 05:26.03 | Lauren_ | It pops up with Nvidia when computer starts, does that mean X is intalled? |
| 05:26.16 | Vaske_Car | wols, if I type "smbclient -L ipaddress -U username i got still access denied |
| 05:26.19 | wols | Lauren_: how did you install WoW? |
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| 05:26.35 | wols | Vaske_Car: windows username? used on win2k? |
| 05:26.35 | lunitik | Lauren_: right now... what application are you using for IRC? |
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| 05:26.40 | beardy | Lauren_: Do you get a graphical loginscreen? |
| 05:26.40 | Lauren_ | wols: on windows, i inserted the cd and installed it. |
| 05:26.41 | Vaske_Car | yes |
| 05:26.43 | jmworx | wols: Are there any other known problems? I tried an Ubuntu Edgy and it failed miserably, which is why I was trying etch. |
| 05:26.52 | Lauren_ | I am using gaim |
| 05:26.57 | Lauren_ | and yeah i do beardy |
| 05:27.04 | wols | jmworx: the PATA not accessible thing is the main one |
| 05:27.07 | lunitik | Then yes... X is installed |
| 05:27.10 | beardy | Lauren_: Then X is installed yes. |
| 05:27.38 | beardy | Lauren_: Hows the openoffice installation going? |
| 05:27.49 | Vaske_Car | wols, maybe I just need to restart Win2000 ........... |
| 05:27.53 | pstickne | the Nvidia logo when the computer starts up is just part an advertisement thanks to the video bios loading, etc. |
| 05:27.56 | beardy | Most likely. |
| 05:28.05 | Lauren_ | i havent typed it yet |
| 05:28.13 | JimPanic | Woohoo, my X server works \o/ |
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| 05:28.15 | Lauren_ | brb guys I have to go to a lecture :/ |
| 05:28.27 | Lauren_ | thanks heaps |
| 05:28.30 | Lauren_ | (K) |
| 05:28.34 | Lauren_ | ahh doesnt work |
| 05:28.40 | cast | lmao. |
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| 05:29.56 | xBrYaNx | hi everybody |
| 05:30.23 | xBrYaNx | i want to install Debian 3.1r3 |
| 05:30.35 | beardy | !d-i xBrYaNx |
| 05:30.36 | dpkg | xBrYaNx, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 05:31.28 | xBrYaNx | i install debian with kernel 2.6.8, its correct? |
| 05:31.28 | jmworx | wols: I don't quite understand the fix. How can I change the sources.list if I can't even *install* Debian? |
| 05:31.56 | jmworx | wols: BTW, is the daily image also affected? |
| 05:32.05 | cast | hmm. you can always install debian, use debootstrap or something :> |
| 05:32.52 | jmworx | cast: What's debootstrap and how can I use that if I don't have Linux already installed? |
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| 05:33.17 | cast | jmworx: will a livecd boot? knoppix? ubuntu? gentoo? freebsie? |
| 05:33.42 | zamaliphe | how to compill kaffeine using apt ? |
| 05:34.04 | jmworx | cast: I only tried Ubuntu so far. 32-bit version looks like it works, but the 64-bit version is really buggy (I'm interested in installing a 64-bit distro) |
| 05:34.56 | xBrYaNx | sorry after install debian CD1 i have a console mode |
| 05:35.14 | xBrYaNx | how can i do to get a graphic environment? |
| 05:35.20 | cast | jmworx: well, afaik. you could do a AMD64 install of debian from a 32bit ubuntu livecd |
| 05:35.22 | xBrYaNx | sorry but my english is bad =( |
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| 05:35.36 | zamaliphe | how to compill kaffeine using "apt-get" ? |
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| 05:36.00 | Vaske_Car | How to install opera file with .deb extension? |
| 05:36.14 | Vaske_Car | what command does Debian use? |
| 05:36.16 | cast | xBrYaNx: maybe run tasksel and select desktop environment...or aptitude install the relevent things |
| 05:36.20 | cast | Vaske_Car: dpkg -i *deb |
| 05:36.28 | Kevin` | that's likelt a debian package, so dpkg |
| 05:36.53 | jmworx | cast: how do I do that? |
| 05:37.11 | cast | xBrYaNx: are you using stable or testing? |
| 05:37.30 | cast | jmworx: using debootstrap is in the debian installation manual |
| 05:37.41 | Vaske_Car | cast, thanks!!!!!!! |
| 05:37.48 | Vaske_Car | its so easy when somebody know |
| 05:38.09 | xBrYaNx | cast, i install debian sarge 3.1r3 |
| 05:38.30 | cast | xBrYaNx: alright, then aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 05:38.36 | jmworx | cast: I mean how do I get it? Google just returns the debian package info, which is useless unless debian is installed... |
| 05:38.50 | xBrYaNx | cast, thankz! |
| 05:38.59 | wols | jmworx: read all of that stuff. that site has netinst ISOs with new kernels. and a FAQ that tells you about your problem |
| 05:39.25 | cast | jmworx: second google hit for debian install debootstrap, http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en |
| 05:39.37 | xBrYaNx | sorry Why debian have a kernel 2.8.1 and my old Ubuntu 2.8.12? |
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| 05:40.08 | wols | jmworx: http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ Read the FAQ |
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| 05:40.37 | cast | xBrYaNx: because 2.6.8 is just how it is. you can install a newer one if you want, but if it's not broken don't try to fix it comes to mind |
| 05:42.14 | xBrYaNx | finally, its good with that kernerl (2.6.8)? |
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| 05:45.34 | idealm | !apm |
| 05:45.34 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apm is Advanced Power Management. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Advanced_Power_Management |
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| 05:52.08 | Vaske_Car | what is the best forum to get answers on Debian related questions? |
| 05:53.19 | eldowan | using mencoder 1:1.0-pre8cvs20060919-0.0 (dev-SVN-rUNKNOWN-4.1.2) the -noskip option seems to be chopping the last minute or so from my movies. An example: `mencoder -oac copy -noskip -ovc copy -of mpeg -mpegopts format=dvd -o 1.mpg Fellowship-Disc1-001.vob -aid 128 `. Has anyone else experienced this problem? #mplayer is dead and I haven't found anything on the web either. |
| 05:53.35 | dondelelcaro | Vaske_Car: you can ask here, or on debian-user@lista.dbeian.org |
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| 05:55.42 | Vaske_Car | ok, I want to install package that have .package extension, I know how to install with .deb but not with .package extension........ ? |
| 05:55.57 | Vaske_Car | It is Xara software |
| 05:56.13 | lunitik | !info autopackage |
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| 05:56.41 | lunitik | hmmm... woulda thought someone would package that |
| 05:56.47 | cast | eldowan: that's a mplayer question yo. |
| 05:57.07 | eldowan | cast: I've tried asking mplayer yo |
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| 05:58.21 | cast | eldowan: mplayer isn't even in debian, maybe try #bash? |
| 05:58.22 | xBrYaNx | bye |
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| 06:00.51 | tarzeau | are there no corrup debian ftp-masters? |
| 06:00.55 | Vaske_Car | anybody? |
| 06:00.57 | tarzeau | corrupt, even |
| 06:00.59 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:00.59 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:01.24 | tarzeau | Vaske_Car: try to run it? say sh ./the.package ? |
| 06:01.46 | tarzeau | eldowan: build your own mplayer? whose packages do you use? |
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| 06:02.48 | eldowan | tarzeau: I'm using the package from debian-multimedia.com |
| 06:02.52 | cast | Vaske_Car: what does the software do? it's easy to use aptitude for *everything* when you begin. |
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| 06:03.19 | eldowan | lunitik: Its not #debian's problem, I just wanted to be clear that I tried asking there already and have gotten no responses. |
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| 06:04.26 | tarzeau | eldowan: i'm using my own |
| 06:04.38 | tarzeau | eldowan: try asking the person who made the package? |
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| 06:05.15 | Vaske_Car | DONEEEEEEEEEEEEE |
| 06:05.23 | teledyn | is there a way to combine 2 wifi interfaces into one connection? |
| 06:05.29 | Vaske_Car | sh command did the job |
| 06:05.41 | eldowan | tarzeau: Sounds like a good idea. I was just hoping that I could see if the flag is causeing a problem with other users. |
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| 06:05.51 | Vaske_Car | so when I should use "sh" and when "dpkg" command? |
| 06:06.26 | tarzeau | Vaske_Car: run file onthe.file you don't know |
| 06:06.41 | tarzeau | Vaske_Car: the program file is the perfect answer to your question, which will come over and over again |
| 06:06.47 | tarzeau | and the answer will be over and over again: file |
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| 06:07.31 | tarzeau | that reminds me of sending a patch to find developer to recognize a new file format |
| 06:07.42 | tarzeau | shar files... |
| 06:07.44 | Vaske_Car | wait wait you mean I should use comman "file aplication.itsextension" to check what it is? |
| 06:07.53 | tarzeau | Vaske_Car: yes exactly so |
| 06:08.15 | Vaske_Car | let me write down that |
| 06:09.13 | Guerin | ffs |
| 06:09.17 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 06:09.18 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 06:09.29 | Guerin | Vaske_Car: start reading that before you try to do anything |
| 06:09.36 | Guerin | Vaske_Car: this is not computer skool |
| 06:10.32 | Vaske_Car | all I need to know is the diference between Ubuntu and Debian |
| 06:10.53 | Vaske_Car | I used Ubuntu for more than year |
| 06:10.59 | spo0nman | [offtopic] http://flickr.com/photos/pankaj/272025348/ |
| 06:11.06 | Guerin | Vaske_Car: that's non-trivial to explain |
| 06:11.42 | Vaske_Car | Guerin, do you know for a good source to start with Debian? |
| 06:11.52 | Guerin | spo0nman: http://feayn.org/~lewis/why_i_am_glad_i_dont_have_a_korean_bank_account.jpg |
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| 06:12.22 | Guerin | Vaske_Car: the debian reference is good, see above. If you want a dead-trees book, I recommend ... |
| 06:12.25 | Guerin | !debian system |
| 06:12.29 | Guerin | hm |
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| 06:12.31 | Guerin | !madduck book |
| 06:12.36 | Guerin | bah |
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| 06:13.11 | Vaske_Car | I did not get any link |
| 06:13.13 | Guerin | !debian system is The Debian System is a book written by DD madduck, aka Martin Krafft. See http://debiansystem.info |
| 06:13.13 | dpkg | Guerin: okay |
| 06:13.31 | Guerin | !grounding |
| 06:13.31 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "ig", "docs", "manuals", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 06:13.38 | Guerin | Vaske_Car: THOSE links ↑ |
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| 06:14.35 | k-man_ | whats the debian web page for checking status of packages? |
| 06:14.56 | Guerin | k-man_: qa.debian.org? |
| 06:15.27 | spo0nman | Guerin: :) |
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| 06:16.32 | dn4 | Does anyone know what the 11 routers are for the entire world? |
| 06:16.45 | Guerin | dn4: wtf? |
| 06:17.37 | k-man_ | Guerin, no... its another one |
| 06:17.43 | k-man_ | damn, i can't think of the name of it |
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| 06:19.06 | k-man_ | Guerin, oh, ithink qa was it |
| 06:19.13 | k-man_ | i just couldn't find the page i was after |
| 06:19.14 | k-man_ | thanks |
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| 06:19.43 | dn4 | Guerin, yeah they are like a dat or something, forget what they are called though. |
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| 06:22.09 | Vaske_Car | Guerin, can you tell my why I can not access my Win2000 box that have shared folder, I can access that folder from other XP boxes but not from my Debian? |
| 06:22.26 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: try smbclient |
| 06:22.35 | Vaske_Car | I meant I can see that shared folder but can not access it... ? |
| 06:22.38 | Vaske_Car | I did |
| 06:23.01 | eldowan | ahh. no access from cli or gui? |
| 06:23.10 | Vaske_Car | http://pastebin.ca/206013 |
| 06:23.25 | Vaske_Car | gui and cli |
| 06:23.47 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: are you using anonymous access on your XP box? |
| 06:24.00 | Vaske_Car | to my win2000 box, yes |
| 06:24.18 | Vaske_Car | all members from WORKGROUP shoul have access |
| 06:24.41 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: Have you checked the ntfs permissions as well as the share permissions? |
| 06:24.49 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: on the win2k box |
| 06:25.04 | tengulre | which mail server are you using under debian? |
| 06:25.08 | Vaske_Car | shared folder is on partition that use FAT32 |
| 06:25.14 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: Ah. |
| 06:25.23 | Vaske_Car | share permissions is to all |
| 06:25.41 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: Have you tried accessing as another user? |
| 06:25.47 | Vaske_Car | as I said I can access that box from other machines in network that use XP |
| 06:26.04 | Vaske_Car | yes, I created new user name and still no luck |
| 06:26.10 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: I meant with the -U flag |
| 06:26.26 | Vaske_Car | let me try |
| 06:27.01 | eldowan | The command you are using is trying to access with the durad username IIRC |
| 06:27.48 | Vaske_Car | OK, I accessed it with username and password of that Win2000 box |
| 06:28.04 | Vaske_Car | but why it does not allow anonymous from this box |
| 06:28.04 | x_link | Hrmm why does it lagg this much when I watch movies in Linux ? |
| 06:28.14 | x_link | I could watch movies really good in Windows on this machine. |
| 06:28.33 | x_link | I use Movie Player |
| 06:28.36 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: I believe smbclient will try to use the current username by default. try the -U Guest or -U anonymous |
| 06:28.37 | tengulre | anybody using POSTFIX under debian?? |
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| 06:29.03 | eldowan | x_link: try an updated video driver |
| 06:29.08 | Vaske_Car | ok this all is from cli but what should I modify to be able to access from GUI? |
| 06:29.23 | x_link | eldowan: I'm really new with Linux, I don't know ho to do that =/ |
| 06:29.29 | x_link | eldowan: Can you maybe tell me how to do it ? |
| 06:29.48 | yang | Which is a nice web driven application with mysql for creating a CD records collection? |
| 06:30.01 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: If you use KDE or Gnome, konqueror and ??nautilius?? should accept the smb://user@ip |
| 06:30.30 | eldowan | x_link: what version of debian are you using? what video card? |
| 06:30.43 | Vaske_Car | I was trying from Applications/Network Servers menu |
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| 06:31.02 | x_link | I'm using Debian Testing, KDE 3.5, kernel 2.6. My video card = Nivida Riva 16MB |
| 06:31.44 | x_link | eldowan: I installed Linux almost a month ago, before that I used Windows XP and I could watch movies without any problems. |
| 06:32.03 | Vaske_Car | smb://Administrator@192.168.0.177 also does not let me access from Nautilus |
| 06:32.09 | x_link | eldowan: I'm watching via my CD-RW burner. |
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| 06:32.52 | x_link | brb 5 min |
| 06:32.53 | eldowan | x_link: first, copy the movie to your HDD and see if that helps. |
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| 06:33.31 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: how about smb://192.168.0.177 and entering the username/pass in the dialogue box? |
| 06:33.36 | Vaske_Car | eldowan, it does not even ask for password |
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| 06:34.23 | Vaske_Car | eldowan, again it does not ask for password.... no permission error again... |
| 06:34.26 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: It might be caching your credentials. Try closing the app down and restarting it. If that fails, mabye try konqueror if you have it installed, or logoff / restart X |
| 06:35.01 | Vaske_Car | I did full system restart hour ago |
| 06:35.16 | Vaske_Car | let me try Opera |
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| 06:35.26 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: Does opera do smb? |
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| 06:36.21 | scx | is there any stopwatch included on Bash or KDE or somewhere? |
| 06:36.33 | cast | scx: time cmd? |
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| 06:36.37 | scx | eldowan: at least in mine no |
| 06:36.49 | scx | actually no |
| 06:37.05 | teledyn | apt-cache search stopwatch |
| 06:37.12 | scx | cast: stopwatch |
| 06:37.15 | Vaske_Car | no, it does not. Konqueror did the job. Now the only question is what I need to do to be able to access that folder from Applications/ Network Server menu ? |
| 06:37.29 | loquitus_of_borg | Hey people... I was wondering... if I want to use the NPTL instead of the old LinuxThreads libraries for my multi-threaded application, what do I need to do? Is it a whole different set of function calls, or do I continue to use functions like pthread_create, etc...? How do I know if I am using NPTL or LinuxThreads? |
| 06:37.49 | Vaske_Car | why there is does not grant permission..... |
| 06:37.53 | cast | scx: yes, your question was slightly vague. date+sh will do what you want probably |
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| 06:38.29 | teledyn | is there an orkut client? |
| 06:39.13 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: mabye try updating the installed version of gnome*? then nautilus mabye will work? |
| 06:39.50 | scx | cast: I don't want to trace a program's time, just the time like a hand stopwatch |
| 06:39.59 | Vaske_Car | eldowan, this is 3 hours old installation |
| 06:40.01 | Vaske_Car | :) |
| 06:40.09 | cast | scx: time sleep 1d? |
| 06:40.12 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: are you in a car right now? |
| 06:40.21 | cast | scx: ctrl-c to stop |
| 06:40.28 | Vaske_Car | but it is OK as long as I can access it with konqueror |
| 06:40.48 | Vaske_Car | teledyn?? |
| 06:40.53 | scx | no, you don't get it |
| 06:41.02 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: ? |
| 06:41.13 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: Hmmm. All I can figure is that if you tried with nautilus after the last reboot, It might act like IE does and cache the credentials untill the next session. Other than that I'm beat |
| 06:41.17 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: a car? auto? |
| 06:41.27 | Vaske_Car | sorry English is my third language so I do not understand some stuff :) |
| 06:41.30 | scx | cast: I want to take the time it takes me to run a mile |
| 06:41.34 | cast | you...don't want to measure a tiemspan? :| |
| 06:41.50 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: from your name. it sounds like you are in a car |
| 06:41.54 | Vaske_Car | no, i am at house |
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| 06:42.05 | Vaske_Car | ahhh heheeh no |
| 06:42.08 | scx | cast: I want to know the time it takes me to play the mnute vals in a piano |
| 06:42.11 | eldowan | scx: have you tried stopwatch? |
| 06:42.23 | scx | surely |
| 06:42.38 | Vaske_Car | well I can say Debian surprised me! No even 1 system or aplication crash till now |
| 06:42.39 | scx | doesn't exists |
| 06:42.39 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: i imagined you in a car driving with some hi-tech console, maybe an in-windshield display, typing away while driving through traffic |
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| 06:43.14 | Vaske_Car | heeh I am sitting in basement |
| 06:43.22 | eldowan | scx: aptitude search stopwatch returns two hits... |
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| 06:43.29 | k31th | Wooo nano with syntax highlighting no more vi or vim |
| 06:43.32 | teledyn | Vaske_Car: now i'm disappointed :-( |
| 06:43.38 | scx | ah, yeah,... |
| 06:43.45 | cast | scx: start /usr/bin/time -f '%e' sleep 1d when you start running then hit ctrl-c when you stop? i'm confused. aside from a shitty UI how is that not what you want in a computer stopwatch? |
| 06:43.46 | Vaske_Car | :) |
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| 06:44.11 | Vaske_Car | Is there a reason to install original ATI drivers if I am not playing games? |
| 06:44.15 | eldowan | cast: mabye he wants a lap feature? |
| 06:44.32 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: GL rendering. Playing videos. Composite engine. |
| 06:44.45 | cast | eldowan: well, how about this. each time he does a lap he hits the l key. then when he's done he hits ctrl-c. |
| 06:44.47 | Vaske_Car | oh |
| 06:44.49 | scx | eldowan: thanks, I wondered if there are somnething included on the standard system |
| 06:44.51 | k31th | Vaske_Car: are you doing any thing else that required video works, watching high deff movies rapes the card as well. |
| 06:45.01 | teledyn | i have a nvidia card and often only use the 2-d opensource driver. i don't play games and it works fine |
| 06:45.09 | eldowan | cast: dont have to be an ass... |
| 06:45.11 | teledyn | movies play fine |
| 06:45.22 | k31th | teledyn: wat HD movies ? |
| 06:45.25 | Vaske_Car | no, I just do vector drawing |
| 06:45.34 | Vaske_Car | and play videos as well |
| 06:45.39 | Vaske_Car | no editing |
| 06:45.49 | teledyn | k31th: i don't know. whatever stuff people give me or i d/l |
| 06:45.56 | k31th | Vaske_Car: TIAS |
| 06:45.58 | cast | eldowan: ok. maybe i was just confused as to the interpretation of stopwatch, which to me in its basic sense involves some lapse in time |
| 06:46.07 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: If the drivers you are using are working for quick enough for you, I wouldn't change them. |
| 06:46.16 | cast | +measuring some lapse in time |
| 06:46.17 | teledyn | k31th: i don't know if any of my animes are HD or what |
| 06:46.34 | scx | Vaske_Car: somethimes you'll not even bee able to get X without the drivers, but screensavers might need GL |
| 06:46.36 | Vaske_Car | I did notice slowdown of 1 video |
| 06:46.43 | k31th | teledyn: they will be big and in a different vid format to avi |
| 06:47.01 | teledyn | k31th: i've watched regular DVD's before |
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| 06:47.13 | Vaske_Car | is there any easy tutorial of how to install ATI drivers?? I have ATI9200SE made by third party (not original ATI) |
| 06:47.15 | x_link | eldowan: Okey, I will do that. Thanks alot ! I must go now, I will try it when I get back home again. I will let you know |
| 06:47.18 | x_link | Bye ! |
| 06:47.23 | teledyn | why would GLX matter for watching a movie anyway? |
| 06:47.34 | eldowan | cast: Ass or no ass, I like the commands you were giving. I was wondering how I would go about timing a bash script anyway. |
| 06:48.10 | scx | Vaske_Car: step 1: buy an nVidia card, 2) connect the card and trash the ATI one,... |
| 06:48.17 | eldowan | teledyn: GL drivers can accelerate the scaling of a movie in HW |
| 06:48.18 | teledyn | ass or no ass? is it a choice? |
| 06:48.43 | teledyn | what about other options, like boobs? |
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| 06:49.11 | k31th | Hum, guys this mihgt seem dumb and it most likely is. But if i want to take user input from the command line with a bash script wats the best way ? e.g ./script.sh $username $emailaddresss |
| 06:49.13 | eldowan | teledyn: I'm sure cast could act like a boob if that crumbled his cookie... |
| 06:49.21 | Vaske_Car | ok last question for tonight :) what chat script is the best that support MSN, Yahoo, ICQ... ??????? |
| 06:49.24 | scx | GL makes a great job for movies, that's righ |
| 06:49.25 | scx | t |
| 06:49.31 | cast | [161346] < cast> scx: start /usr/bin/time -f '%e' sleep 1d when you start running then hit ctrl-c when you |
| 06:49.35 | cast | doh |
| 06:49.39 | cast | my bad. ignore. |
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| 06:49.55 | scx | cast: ok, thanks |
| 06:50.04 | cast | wait...thanks for what? |
| 06:50.04 | eldowan | Vaske_Car: I've heard kopete or something like that... |
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| 06:50.35 | teledyn | why not put a 'read' statement in the script and have it stop on any key press? |
| 06:50.57 | eldowan | cast: mabye I misread.... Could that command time the execution of a bash script or an arbitrary command? |
| 06:51.15 | cast | eldowan: yes. it'll time an arbitrary command |
| 06:51.18 | k31th | teledyn: well i cant stop it on a keypress really im making a bash script to edit some lines to a file then using php to call on it. |
| 06:51.24 | k31th | (its ugly) |
| 06:51.38 | eldowan | cast: That is what the thanks was for. |
| 06:51.41 | cast | teledyn: indeed we could. but complexity++ |
| 06:52.03 | k31th | but it will work, i need to run these bash scripts as root you see so i am just going to sudo these bash scripts |
| 06:52.14 | eldowan | k31th: Why not use php myscript.php?email=email&user=user? |
| 06:53.37 | k31th | eldowan: I want to add a line to /etc/mail/virtusertable and create the file /var/www/html/$username.pref if they dont exsist these files are owned as root. |
| 06:53.53 | k31th | i'm open to suggestions. |
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| 06:54.25 | eldowan | k31th: I'm pretty sure that can all be done in PHP if you wanted. |
| 06:54.34 | jeanre | hmmm has anyone experience that xorg 7.0 on etch locks up with the fglrx driver |
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| 06:54.56 | jeanre | before it even starts to run |
| 06:55.07 | scx | gotta go, there are vampires rounding me. See ya! |
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| 06:55.52 | k31th | eldowan: i would prefer that i asked them in #php they all said "dont use a web server for this" which is most likely correct. However i would rather create a php page on a secured dir with ssl. then give windows admins root. |
| 06:55.55 | eldowan | jeanre: although these instructions mention ubuntu, the work for debian... |
| 06:56.20 | jeanre | eldowan: ? |
| 06:56.29 | eldowan | jeanre: http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide |
| 06:56.38 | jeanre | eldowan: I cant browse :D |
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| 06:57.06 | eldowan | jeanre: Revert back to vesa driver, then browse? |
| 06:57.17 | jeanre | heheh |
| 06:57.20 | eldowan | k31th: Mabye a bash script with setuid?? |
| 06:57.29 | jeanre | ok will you paste the link again when I come back? |
| 06:57.37 | eldowan | If I'm here. |
| 06:58.07 | k31th | eldowan: yeah, ill just use sudo for only "that" script tbh |
| 06:58.11 | k31th | will be fine. |
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| 06:58.51 | jeanre | eldowan: can you pate that link again? |
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| 06:59.07 | eldowan | http://wiki.cchtml.com/index.php/Ubuntu_Dapper_Installation_Guide |
| 06:59.11 | ice_1963 | repete |
| 06:59.32 | eldowan | k31: Hope it wrks. |
| 06:59.48 | jeanre | k31th: what do you want to do bro? |
| 07:00.26 | ice_1963 | what be up |
| 07:00.49 | Vaske_Car | guys thanks for help, I have to go sleep now :) |
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| 07:00.55 | Vaske_Car | good night |
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| 07:01.31 | jeanre | eldowan: you have had this before aswell? |
| 07:01.48 | eldowan | [01:53] <k31th> eldowan: I want to add a line to /etc/mail/virtusertable and create the file /var/www/html/$username.pref if they dont exsist these files are owned as root. |
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| 07:02.19 | jeanre | just write a bash script |
| 07:02.24 | jeanre | or do it in python |
| 07:02.32 | eldowan | jeanre: Yes, and I believe that that wiki fixed the problem. Unfortunately, I have absolutely no idea what the problem was or how I fixed it. |
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| 07:02.59 | jeanre | eldowan: did you blacklist the mdoule? |
| 07:03.01 | eldowan | jeanre: Thats my suggestion to k31th |
| 07:03.27 | aspWork | hi guys, i am trying to install python support for my apache2.2 server under debian. When i try to apt-get the libapache2-mod-python packages it tells me that i need apache2-common, but i already have apache2.2-common installed. Is this a broken dep and if so how can i fix it? |
| 07:03.44 | jeanre | eldowan: can you check if you have anything in this |
| 07:03.46 | jeanre | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:05.04 | eldowan | jeanre: no such file. |
| 07:05.30 | eldowan | jeanre: I hate to ditch you, but I've got to go. |
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| 07:06.48 | eldowan | jeanre: The inux-restricted-modules are new... jump down to where it starts: Installing the new driver. |
| 07:07.01 | eldowan | jeanre: Thats where I followed... |
| 07:08.02 | jeanre | the creation of the debs |
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| 07:09.42 | aspWork | anybody? |
| 07:09.47 | mike | mmm |
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| 07:11.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:11.38 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:16.39 | aspWork | ill try that again then, i am trying to install python support for my apache2.2 server under debian. When i try to apt-get the libapache2-mod-python packages it tells me that i need apache2-common, but i already have apache2.2-common installed. Is this a broken dep and if so how can i fix it? |
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| 07:24.24 | jeanre | since when can ati users run composite? |
| 07:24.26 | jeanre | heh |
| 07:25.39 | row | aspWork: Depends: python-central (>= 0.5), python (<< 2.5), python (>= 2.4), debconf | debconf-2.0, libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), python2.4 (>= 2.3.90), apache2-common, apache2, suggests apache2 != apache2.2 as there is also a apache2.2-common |
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| 07:28.01 | aspWork | row: so there is currently no mod_python support for apache2.2, or how should i read that? |
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| 07:28.20 | aspWork | 2.2 contains a lot of improvements over 2.0 |
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| 07:28.40 | row | aspWork: well it does not look like its in debian |
| 07:28.48 | aspWork | strange |
| 07:28.51 | row | checked wishlist for apache2.2/mod python/ |
| 07:28.52 | row | ? |
| 07:29.02 | row | or bugs for that matter, might tell you what you want to know |
| 07:29.11 | jeanre | aspWork: just compile the damn thing from source |
| 07:29.15 | row | you could always apt-get the source |
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| 07:30.00 | jeanre | aspWork: django? |
| 07:30.34 | aspWork | Unpack command 'dpkg-source -x libapache2-mod-python_3.2.10-1.dsc' failed. |
| 07:30.41 | aspWork | jeanre: django? |
| 07:30.41 | jeanre | ok I need a better composite manager |
| 07:30.56 | jeanre | xfce's one sucks |
| 07:31.08 | jeanre | aspWork: its basicly rails for python |
| 07:31.32 | aspWork | oh, not using it |
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| 07:31.54 | aspWork | i am trying to get trac to run, thats what i am using python for |
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| 07:40.27 | aspWork | trying to build it (using apt-build) it also complains that the apache2-common isn't installed |
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| 07:44.19 | aspWork | and building it via debian/rules binary works, but trying to install that package gives the error about apache2-common |
| 07:44.35 | cast | i have a crazy idea |
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| 07:44.43 | cast | aptitude install apache2-common |
| 07:45.16 | aspWork | No candidate version found for apache2-common |
| 07:45.16 | aspWork | The following packages are BROKEN: |
| 07:45.16 | aspWork | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:45.48 | Guerin | aspWork: what branch of debian? |
| 07:46.01 | aspWork | unstable |
| 07:46.10 | Guerin | aspWork: you have your answer. |
| 07:46.14 | aspWork | true |
| 07:46.17 | Guerin | !sdn |
| 07:46.17 | dpkg | methinks sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 07:46.26 | Guerin | try using packages from there to fill the gaps |
| 07:46.30 | Guerin | ⎈ |
| 07:46.31 | aspWork | but then again, i cant be the only one running apache under unstable!? |
| 07:46.33 | Guerin | ↑ |
| 07:46.35 | aspWork | ok |
| 07:46.47 | Guerin | unstable changes daily |
| 07:47.01 | Guerin | most people don't update daily, even if they are stupid enough to run a webserver on sid |
| 07:47.16 | Guerin | aspWork: also look in incoming |
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| 07:47.20 | Guerin | incoming.debian.net |
| 07:47.22 | mne | hi, some days ago I bought a geforce 7600 gs which I'm using with the latest (beta) linux drivers. unfortunately the picture on the card's analog VGA output is now flickering (seems to be a known problem). in some bulletin board I read that there is a driver option that makes the mentioned flickering better. can you guys me give any hints ? does anyone have similar problems ? |
| 07:47.24 | SkareCrow | anyone here might be able to help me with a small apache question, not really debian related ;P |
| 07:47.27 | Guerin | if the files aren't in there, file a bug |
| 07:47.34 | Guerin | SkareCrow: #apache |
| 07:47.39 | SkareCrow | they banned me |
| 07:47.40 | aspWork | Guerin: ok, thnx |
| 07:47.52 | cydork | Guerin: i hate your arrows :P |
| 07:48.05 | Guerin | mne: hint: don't use nvidia's proprietary driver -> problem solved |
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| 07:48.17 | SkareCrow | #php banned me for using the word leet and #apache banned me cause they said i was off topic to much |
| 07:48.22 | Guerin | cydork: â†â†‘↓→ |
| 07:48.36 | streuner | SkareCrow: what distro do you use? |
| 07:48.38 | Guerin | SkareCrow: /msg an op and ask to be unbanned, pretty please |
| 07:48.44 | SkareCrow | i use debian |
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| 07:48.47 | Guerin | but you can try in here |
| 07:48.59 | Guerin | SkareCrow: that's largely irrelevant, but anyway |
| 07:49.01 | psychoslave | hello |
| 07:49.24 | SkareCrow | i will just ask, should be a fairly simple answere if anyone knows |
| 07:49.38 | mne | Guerin, yeah right, then I won't have any 3d accel and no aiglx. (which was the reason why i bought the new card). |
| 07:50.02 | Guerin | mne: my point is that your recourse is not to debian, it's to nvidia. |
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| 07:50.38 | SkareCrow | i have a directory, i want to have a .htaccess file that includes a certain .html file into all the files that are requested when they are requested. anyone have a clue how i might do this? for instance a free hosting company might put ads on your site. how do they add them ads to your pages? i want to be able to do that |
| 07:51.12 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, with an html img tag |
| 07:51.12 | Guerin | i think you might want server-side includes |
| 07:51.16 | Guerin | but I don't really know |
| 07:51.18 | mne | Guerin, true indeed. however, IMHO there are a lot of people in here who have nvidia cards. this was the reason why i asked in here. |
| 07:51.27 | SkareCrow | but SSI is used in the actual files |
| 07:51.44 | Guerin | mne: people in here are generally antagonistic towards proprietary drivers |
| 07:51.51 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, for .html files it is server side includes. Look in the apache documentation |
| 07:52.06 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, php has an include file mechanism in it |
| 07:52.19 | SkareCrow | gah |
| 07:52.35 | aspWork | Guerin: there is no way to tell debian that apache2.2-common contains the stuff it needs from apache2-common, just to see if that solves it? |
| 07:52.56 | Guerin | aspWork: you could use equivs, but it's probably not going to work |
| 07:52.57 | SkareCrow | i know how to include files but i want to do it via .htaccess - the folder is for all my source code and i want to include this php file that will execute and run some code i have to opens the requested file and reads it |
| 07:53.19 | aspWork | Guerin: ill give it a try, failing that ill reinstall the server using etch instead |
| 07:53.27 | Guerin | aspWork: traditionally ther apache2-common package has worked for both apache1 and 2, so if it's been changed then it must be for a reason |
| 07:53.30 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, oh sorry you want to include a .html file from in a .htaccess file ( that seems daft to me but anyway ) load a server side include module and see if it works. I doubt that it will to be honest |
| 07:53.32 | SkareCrow | but i would have to do more work adding and include() to every file and having it removed that include |
| 07:53.49 | ice_1963 | SkareCrow: that's a good nick for october :) |
| 07:53.54 | Guerin | on the other hand, the other packages may just have not caught up yet |
| 07:54.09 | SkareCrow | its been my nick for like 10 years now |
| 07:54.29 | mne | Guerin, me too. but since there is no open source driver which has reasonable 3d accel, there is no choice for me, since I'm using debian as desktop system. |
| 07:54.39 | ice_1963 | SkareCrow: well i like it |
| 07:54.50 | SkareCrow | the reason im doing this is so i can just thorw in any .java, .cpp, .c, .pl, .py and it will automatically be highlighted inside that directory |
| 07:54.55 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, perl -p -i -e 'print q(include "myfile") if (m#<body>#);' *html |
| 07:55.00 | Guerin | mne: my attitude is to use the right tool for the job; that is: windows or consoles for gaming, unix for work. |
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| 07:55.26 | mne | Guerin, well, I don't have any windows ... |
| 07:55.30 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, ah you want to pretty print source code? |
| 07:55.38 | SkareCrow | im using geshi |
| 07:55.43 | Guerin | mne: me neither. |
| 07:55.46 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, that is a completely different requirement |
| 07:55.49 | SkareCrow | i would going to build a php extension to work off geshi just for this |
| 07:56.01 | SkareCrow | this is what im talking about |
| 07:56.06 | SkareCrow | you go to a free hosting company |
| 07:56.09 | SkareCrow | you create an index.php |
| 07:56.12 | SkareCrow | stick some stuff in there |
| 07:56.21 | SkareCrow | visit the index.php file and there is an ad on the top |
| 07:56.26 | SkareCrow | you view the html source and you see that code |
| 07:56.30 | SkareCrow | but its not in your .php file |
| 07:56.36 | SkareCrow | it was added by the server |
| 07:56.45 | vorsprung | riiight? |
| 07:56.49 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, and? |
| 07:56.52 | SkareCrow | thats what i want to do |
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| 07:57.29 | SkareCrow | i have a .php file that i want to include in all the files in this certain directory when they are requested |
| 07:57.46 | SkareCrow | this php file will run, get the requested file extension and read that file and send it off to geshi for highlighting |
| 07:57.46 | vorsprung | SkareCrow, so every page automatically has a header or banner or something at the top |
| 07:57.56 | aspWork | Guerin: is it possible to do a dist-upgrade backwards to etch, or will i have to reinstall everything? |
| 07:57.57 | Guerin | SkareCrow: php can do that most trivially |
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| 07:58.05 | Guerin | aspWork: no, it's not. |
| 07:58.14 | aspWork | ok, a reinstall it is then |
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| 07:58.20 | Guerin | aspWork: as I said, use packages from incoming and/or sdn |
| 07:58.50 | aspWork | ok, have a howto or something on how to do this, i am not all that debian savy |
| 07:58.53 | SkareCrow | if i used PHP to do this i would have to include('file.php') where file.php is my file that gets the infromation such as the extension and what not. i want to be able to just copy and paste a file in there and it will automatically be highlighted by geshi |
| 07:59.30 | SkareCrow | if i do something like this i can open the file and read it and not have to worry about any other source that the highlighting script uses |
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| 07:59.45 | jeanre_ | hmmmm |
| 07:59.53 | jeanre_ | americas army is not in the repos |
| 07:59.54 | jeanre_ | w00t |
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| 08:00.11 | jeanre_ | nor is ET |
| 08:00.13 | jeanre_ | w00t |
| 08:00.24 | Guerin | jeanre_: package it, then |
| 08:00.29 | Guerin | if it's DFSG-free |
| 08:00.43 | jeanre_ | it is |
| 08:00.43 | jeanre_ | :D |
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| 08:01.34 | aspWork | Guerin: thnx for the help |
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| 08:03.13 | SkareCrow | woot, never mind you guys |
| 08:03.18 | holycow | *hmmm* |
| 08:03.20 | SkareCrow | php_value auto_append_file "include.php" |
| 08:03.25 | SkareCrow | this works in .htaccess |
| 08:03.26 | holycow | what is the official channel for di again? |
| 08:03.32 | holycow | !di |
| 08:03.32 | dpkg | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Debian/installers.html |
| 08:03.39 | SkareCrow | it appends the include.php to the requested page in that directory |
| 08:03.41 | streuner | holycow: why? |
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| 08:04.12 | streuner | you are using ubuntu, so you changed your mind and want debian? :-) |
| 08:04.14 | holycow | i need to find out how to setup software raid 1 with di ... all the info out there suggests having to do some odd things to initrd |
| 08:04.27 | holycow | streuner, debian forever bro :) |
| 08:04.34 | holycow | debian for all servers infact |
| 08:04.39 | streuner | hm |
| 08:04.40 | holycow | ubuntu server is the stupidest idea ever |
| 08:05.00 | Guerin | rather run ubuntu on a server than windows |
| 08:05.06 | Guerin | or red hat |
| 08:05.08 | Guerin | or mandy |
| 08:05.15 | Guerin | ... |
| 08:05.30 | holycow | windows here doesn't touch hardware, only runs in vmware instances which i plan of wiping once the transition is done |
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| 08:09.40 | holycow | so what is the di channel anyway? #debian-boot seems empty |
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| 08:10.31 | cydork | holycow: #debian-boot on oftc? |
| 08:10.52 | holycow | oftc? whats that? |
| 08:11.09 | cydork | !oftc |
| 08:11.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, oftc is the Open and Free Technology Community, a support/collaboration service. They have an IRC network: irc.oftc.net. You may be connected to OFTC's network. See also <freenode> and <fact sharing> |
| 08:11.34 | cydork | holycow: on that ^^ |
| 08:11.35 | holycow | why would they move there? isn't freenode the sorta official place to hang a shingle? |
| 08:11.39 | holycow | cydork, thanks! |
| 08:11.50 | streuner | holycow: http://dev.jerryweb.org/raid/ |
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| 08:12.11 | cydork | !tell holycow about oftc move |
| 08:12.53 | holycow | danke |
| 08:13.01 | streuner | bitte |
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| 08:13.37 | holycow | >_< |
| 08:14.03 | barf | is there a debian help channel or OK to ask here? |
| 08:14.10 | cydork | !ask |
| 08:14.10 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 08:14.17 | streuner | barf: /topic? |
| 08:14.21 | holycow | streuner, how have you been btw? |
| 08:14.28 | barf | welp, trying to pin a package and can't decypher the documentation |
| 08:14.39 | barf | i dont want my kernel upgraded by apt-get dist-upgrade |
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| 08:15.11 | barf | could someone please show me an example conf to pin that package? |
| 08:15.16 | cast | aptitude hold pkg |
| 08:15.26 | cast | [maybe anyway?] |
| 08:15.28 | barf | GUI? dont think so |
| 08:15.36 | barf | i compile my own kernel for this server |
| 08:15.48 | cast | aptitude hsa a guo? |
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| 08:16.02 | cast | i mean, aptitude is a drop in replacement for apt-get. |
| 08:16.02 | streuner | holycow: sorry? |
| 08:16.13 | barf | sorry I am new to debain been compiling my crap forever |
| 08:16.14 | Guerin | barf: remove the metapackage |
| 08:16.30 | holycow | i've not been around streuner we used to have some long discussions in here a few years ago |
| 08:16.31 | Guerin | barf: there's a package called linux-image-2.6 or kernel-image-2.6 |
| 08:16.34 | barf | Guerin, how do i do that when its the kernel package? |
| 08:16.42 | Guerin | barf: remove that and yours will no longer be upgraded |
| 08:16.52 | barf | aha |
| 08:16.58 | jeanre_ | barf: gentoo? |
| 08:17.03 | Guerin | barf: the metapackage just depends on the current kernel - it's not the kernel itself |
| 08:17.04 | barf | The following packages will be REMOVED: |
| 08:17.04 | barf | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:17.04 | barf | The following NEW packages will be installed: |
| 08:17.04 | barf | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:17.19 | Guerin | barf: duh |
| 08:17.19 | barf | apologies for pasting |
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| 08:17.21 | LoonaTick | !mfs |
| 08:17.32 | cydork | barf: 2.6.15?? |
| 08:17.32 | Guerin | oh, stupid aptitude |
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| 08:17.53 | barf | thanks for the suggestions everyone. have a beer. |
| 08:17.57 | Guerin | aptitude install linux-image-2.6.15-26-amd64-server linux-image-2.6- # might work |
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| 08:18.11 | barf | just needed to remove the metapackage |
| 08:18.18 | barf | i dont want 2.6.15 |
| 08:18.41 | cydork | barf: which version of debian is that? |
| 08:18.48 | barf | ubuntu 6.06 amb64 |
| 08:18.53 | barf | amd64* |
| 08:19.09 | cydork | Guerin: see i had doubts |
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| 08:19.10 | barf | you guys must think ubuntu is like cooties? |
| 08:19.12 | streuner | haha |
| 08:19.51 | barf | ah crap.. it still tries to install it during dist-upgrade |
| 08:19.54 | holycow | heh |
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| 08:20.15 | cydork | barf: join #ubuntu then |
| 08:20.21 | holycow | ubuntu is probably the best thing to happen to debian |
| 08:20.40 | barf | I'm quite impressed myself |
| 08:20.47 | cydork | holycow: you wont survive the flames ! |
| 08:20.47 | holycow | you get to really see the experiment unfold as a desktop enviornment without having to endanger the primary project |
| 08:20.53 | cast | holycow: no. |
| 08:21.11 | streuner | ubuntu is the worst case for debian |
| 08:21.23 | holycow | once you see what works what doesn't over there, debian will be a lot more free to see a clear path to the desktop |
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| 08:21.36 | holycow | thats wrong, however, why do you guys say that? |
| 08:21.47 | holycow | just curious what your thinking on this is |
| 08:22.00 | cast | i don't see much distinction between installing ubuntu and installing debian etch and selecting desktop environment in taskel during the install |
| 08:22.11 | streuner | its OT here, feel free to discuss that in #debian-offtopic |
| 08:22.33 | ice_1963 | what |
| 08:22.48 | barf | so can anyone explain how to keep-back the kernel package from dist-upgrade? |
| 08:22.52 | streuner | ubuntu? see /topic |
| 08:23.05 | brownie17 | can anyone tell me why i get the message "unable to rename" when i try to rename the link to my hard disk in the "computer" object thing in gnome?? |
| 08:23.12 | brownie17 | i'm in as root atm |
| 08:23.18 | cydork | barf: i told you join #ubuntu and they will treat you nicely. i wont :P |
| 08:23.32 | barf | what if its debian? |
| 08:23.57 | cydork | barf: dont you read /topic? |
| 08:24.14 | Sambrista | Hi everybody! I've got a PII@233Mhz. The problem is that there is no kernel-image for 586 in the repositories, only for 486 and 686. Does anyone knows where can i get the 586 package? |
| 08:24.19 | barf | i can't read /topics i have a rare hereditary disease |
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| 08:24.50 | brownie17 | why wouldn't i be able to rename a file in /media? |
| 08:24.58 | brownie17 | would it being mounted affect that? |
| 08:25.02 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: you don't have permissions, it's not really a file, etc. |
| 08:25.03 | cast | Sambrista: 686 is p2 |
| 08:25.08 | iNToIT | Hi |
| 08:25.27 | Sambrista | cast: when i use 686, my laptop crashes at booting |
| 08:25.29 | iNToIT | I'll soon find out |
| 08:26.03 | Snake-Eyes | where is the email address the system uses (eg cron) stored ? |
| 08:26.06 | Sambrista | cast: just when grub starts loading the kernel |
| 08:26.52 | Sambrista | cast: and when i do "echo $(arch)" it says i586. |
| 08:27.15 | barf | FFS stupid debian.. this is why slackware is better.. i apt-get removed linux-image-xxx and it removes my /boot/vmlinuz |
| 08:27.27 | barf | the one ** I put there ** |
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| 08:27.31 | brownie17 | dondelelcaro, as root it still tells me that. when i tried umounting it, it said busy. |
| 08:27.33 | free_thinker | snake-eyes: root however this should be edirected to an alias as specified in /etc/aliases |
| 08:28.08 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: if the filesystem is mounted ro, that could be the case. If you've got a shell in that directory, you won't be able to umount it. |
| 08:28.17 | cast | barf: no biggy. only a simlink. just hit e in grub and edit the line to boot.. |
| 08:28.29 | barf | cast, I compiled a kernel and put it there |
| 08:28.37 | barf | its nota symlink it just deleted my kernel image |
| 08:28.57 | Snake-Eyes | free_thinker, ah ok, cause its sending them to non existen address eg root@hostname.hostname |
| 08:29.04 | barf | package managment is for wusses i think |
| 08:29.05 | cast | oh...lol. |
| 08:29.12 | brownie17 | dondelelcaro, well it's mounted rw, and there's a shell in media, does that count? |
| 08:29.47 | cast | barf: just a suggestion...in future make a kernel pkg the debian way, it's pretty trivial :> |
| 08:29.47 | dondelelcaro | brownie17: ok; what exactly are are you trying to do? can you mv foosymlink barname; as root? |
| 08:30.05 | barf | cast, cheers, think I will |
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| 08:30.51 | brownie17 | dondelelcaro, mv: cannot move `0 GB Disk (sdb1)' to `HD 3 (60GB)': Device or resource busy |
| 08:30.53 | cydork | barf: you are using ubuntu for ffs. |
| 08:31.20 | tha_guy | brownie17: unmount the drive first. |
| 08:31.42 | tha_guy | brownie17: use the lsof utility. |
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| 08:32.04 | brownie17 | tha_guy, never heard of it. man lsof? is it standard? |
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| 08:32.31 | Fox | apt-get install lsof && lsof /dev/sdb1 |
| 08:32.46 | sep | barf don't name your kernels the same as the symlinks the kernel packages uses. ofcouse it will be removed. if you want to make your own kernels use a uniqe name |
| 08:33.12 | yang | Which is a nice web driven application with mysql for creating a CD records collection? |
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| 08:34.50 | cast | i'm confused |
| 08:35.00 | cast | can you move around things like /dev/sdb1? |
| 08:35.14 | dondelelcaro | cast: you can, but it's a stupid idea. |
| 08:35.15 | cydork | cast: nope |
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| 08:35.50 | cydork | dondelelcaro: heheh a reaaly stupid idea :P |
| 08:36.35 | brownie17 | tha_guy, dondelelcaro lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete. |
| 08:36.52 | brownie17 | dondelelcaro, cydork, then what way are you supposed to rename it? |
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| 08:37.07 | Nebukadneza | hi |
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| 08:37.51 | tha_guy | brownie17: lsof <mount point> |
| 08:38.18 | Nebukadneza | is there a reason my ifconfig doesnt show v6 addresses? |
| 08:39.11 | Nebukadneza | (sid / net-tools 1.60-17) |
| 08:39.36 | brownie17 | tha_guy, "fraser@brownie:/media$ lsof /media/"0 GB Disk (sdb1)" --> lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext3 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete." |
| 08:40.11 | brownie17 | i'll be back in an hour to ask again |
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| 08:40.38 | LoonaTick | Where should I put custom start scripts in debian? |
| 08:41.36 | nkuttler | LoonaTick: man update-rc.d |
| 08:41.54 | LoonaTick | thanks |
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| 08:42.08 | litage | i just ran this command and now can't access /etc/ : ln -s /usr/local/etc/ /etc/ how can i fix this? |
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| 08:43.16 | cast | hmm |
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| 08:43.48 | cast | has he just lost /etc? |
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| 08:45.03 | nkuttler | litage: ls -ld /etc/ /usr/local/etc/ ? |
| 08:45.24 | cahoot | yang, if you want to brush up on your german: http://www.linux-magazin.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2003/03/perl/perl.html |
| 08:46.03 | vorsprung | litage, ln takes the source first then the target |
| 08:46.30 | vorsprung | litage, so that command means "if you say /etc look at /usr/local/etc instead" |
| 08:46.32 | litage | vorsprung: yeah, it's just getting late and was a stupid PEBKAC error |
| 08:46.46 | jeanre_ | guys |
| 08:46.56 | jeanre_ | can we setup a wiki like gentoo? |
| 08:46.59 | jeanre_ | with tutorials and stuff |
| 08:47.03 | vorsprung | litage, hmm well don't panic |
| 08:47.14 | vorsprung | jeanre_, feel free |
| 08:47.24 | ApEtc | jeanre_: I don't think anyone will stop you. :) |
| 08:47.24 | jeanre_ | who will actually join in? |
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| 08:48.19 | jeanre_ | I dont want to start a domain and pay for hosting when I wount get support |
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| 08:48.55 | ApEtc | jeanre_: Hard to predict, really |
| 08:49.32 | litage | vorsprung: everything looks fine now. heh i just about shat myself though =P |
| 08:49.36 | dondelelcaro | jeanre_: uh... there's already wiki.debian.org |
| 08:49.41 | dondelelcaro | jeanre_: feel free to get started |
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| 08:50.06 | vorsprung | litage, when I first started SAing I deleted /dev/null on one of the servers |
| 08:50.12 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 08:50.12 | dpkg | qotd166 is, like, <azeem> bengrubb: please try to be comprensible |
| 08:50.35 | litage | vorsprung: hah i didn't even know that was possible, but i guess it's just another file like everything else |
| 08:50.45 | vorsprung | litage, I was about to try and copy /dev/null from the other server when I thought "er hang on a minute..." :D |
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| 08:51.09 | litage | hahahh |
| 08:51.25 | litage | vorsprung: is it possible to recreate /dev/null ? |
| 08:51.39 | vorsprung | litage, yeah with mknod |
| 08:51.44 | litage | ah nice |
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| 08:51.55 | tato | which major computer vendor sells the most linux-compatible desktops? |
| 08:52.07 | vorsprung | litage, i don't know the numbers for it off hand but a quick look at MAKEDEV should tell you |
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| 08:52.45 | litage | vorsprung: it's just amusing to think about: "let's delete the black hole!" |
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| 08:56.26 | nkuttler | tato: depends on your needs and what licenses you are willing to accept... |
| 08:56.46 | brownie17 | dondelelcaro, got any hints now that that other sutff didn't work? |
| 08:57.28 | tato | nkuttler, license? |
| 08:58.06 | tato | I just need a faster 32 bit single-core machine |
| 08:58.20 | Hoxzer | >¦) |
| 08:58.30 | tato | with supported hardware obviously |
| 08:58.55 | tha_guy | brownie17: did you try unmounting the said drive? |
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| 08:59.59 | brownie17 | tha_guy, just sudo umount /media/sdb1 ??? because that didn't work. |
| 09:00.42 | tha_guy | brownie17: what do you get? |
| 09:00.49 | brownie17 | tha_guy, device or resource busy |
| 09:01.28 | LoonaTick | Anyone know the runlevel a debian system goes in when it has finished booting? |
| 09:01.46 | LoonaTick | I want to run a custom start script at the last point of booting |
| 09:02.06 | LoonaTick | (so after all filesystem have mounted, etc..) |
| 09:02.12 | lunitik | LoonaTick: umm... 2 by default |
| 09:02.23 | LoonaTick | lunitik: Thanks |
| 09:02.56 | tha_guy | lsof /media/sdb1 |
| 09:02.58 | yang | $CONFIG_VARS['db_server.username'] = "opendb"; //OpenDb database user name |
| 09:02.58 | yang | $CONFIG_VARS['db_server.passwd'] = "mypass"; //OpenDb user password |
| 09:02.58 | yang | I have these 2 values in opendb.conf , and when I try to log in the website I get login failure error... |
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| 09:04.36 | vorsprung | opendb - Web-based lending database written in PHP |
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| 09:05.34 | SaintN | etch stable in december? |
| 09:06.32 | Hoxzer | >_COol_< if is |
| 09:06.40 | dondelelcaro | SaintN: when it's ready, as always. |
| 09:06.46 | SaintN | sweeeeete |
| 09:07.49 | Hoxzer | :D I remember when I heard some russian saying in school "I remember that ice cream because it was first one in russia after soviet union" |
| 09:11.57 | brownie17 | anyone know why this happened? "Starting DHCP server: dhcpd3 failed to start - check syslog for diagnostics. --> invoke-rc.d: initscript dhcp3-server, action "start" failed." |
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| 09:13.49 | brownie17 | i need to a get a home network set up using crossover network cables, and i was told the only way to do this was to install a prog called DHCP server, or type in all that IP crap yourself, i wanna use DHCP. but for some reason it seems ot install fine but it won't run |
| 09:16.08 | luge | how many computers in this network |
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| 09:19.12 | tarzeau | abrotman, where the hell are you again? |
| 09:19.17 | tarzeau | look at this: http://sourceforge.net/project/screenshots.php?group_id=139550&ssid=31788 |
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| 09:20.10 | eggleston | recently my videos and stuff have been skipping a litle bit and i don't know why. |
| 09:20.20 | eggleston | well just my videos. don't know why i said stuff |
| 09:20.33 | LoneWlf | so, I installed a package and then I fubarred it, then I removed it and then I did an apt-get install --reinstall on it and it's still behaving foobared |
| 09:20.44 | luge | they are acting analogistical? |
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| 09:20.50 | LoneWlf | is there a more thorough way of cleaning it out that I've forgotten? |
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| 09:22.09 | dondelelcaro | LoneWlf: depends on what you've screwed up |
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| 09:25.42 | naddar | anyone can help me with samba? |
| 09:26.05 | eggleston | does anyone know a reason why since i updated kernel video's might skip every couple of seconds? i've tried a few different players |
| 09:26.21 | hxizan | my box is using backport kernel 2.6.16-2-686-smp kernel |
| 09:26.36 | hxizan | but I can't burn dvd with growisofs |
| 09:26.49 | hxizan | just err "not an MMC unit!" |
| 09:27.35 | hxizan | but I used to burn dvd before I reinstall the whole system |
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| 09:27.59 | hxizan | do I need to load any kernel module(s)? |
| 09:29.34 | tarzeau | eggleston: mplayer? |
| 09:29.41 | tarzeau | eggleston: the load of the machine ? uptime |
| 09:29.51 | tarzeau | naddar: nobody can read your mind.. |
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| 09:30.29 | naddar | tarzeau: back :) |
| 09:30.33 | LoneWlf | dondelelcaro : I just removed some directories that should have been in the package prior to package remove... obviously I've screwed up a dependency and not the package itself *sighs* |
| 09:30.48 | eggleston | tarzeau, uptime? well there's not much else gouing on but even when there's nothing it still doesn't run smooth. |
| 09:30.52 | naddar | tarzeau: i need to configure in my smb.conf that everyone can access the samba server with no pass and user |
| 09:30.54 | naddar | just connect |
| 09:30.58 | naddar | but dont know how |
| 09:31.03 | tarzeau | eggleston: run uptime, and paste the output here |
| 09:31.16 | tarzeau | naddar: it's easy, read the config file |
| 09:31.43 | eggleston | tarzeau, 19:40:45 up 22:45, 3 users, load average: 1.93, 2.66, 2.51 |
| 09:31.44 | naddar | tarzeau: read the config file? the standard smb.conf |
| 09:31.48 | luge | naddar - comment out password line and just put line with ips allowed |
| 09:31.57 | tarzeau | eggleston: do you see the last three numbers? did you read man uptime ? |
| 09:31.59 | naddar | ok thanks luge $ |
| 09:32.04 | tarzeau | naddar: yes that and the manual to it |
| 09:32.08 | luge | put ips in /etc/hosts and /etc/samba/lmhosts |
| 09:32.55 | dondelelcaro | LoneWlf: uh.. which directories? |
| 09:33.24 | eggleston | tarzeau, yeah i get it, but what do the numbers mean, i mean they're system load averages, but 1.5 what? |
| 09:33.31 | luge | do you have the dirs on the linux system in the /etc/samba/smb.conf file |
| 09:33.35 | LoneWlf | dondelelcaro : /usr/share/eclipse and /usr/lib/eclipse |
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| 09:34.28 | dondelelcaro | LoneWlf: those are part of eclipse; just reinstall eclipse and the eclipse-*; packages you've got installed. |
| 09:34.36 | dondelelcaro | LoneWlf: dpkg -l eclipse-*; if you don't know what they are. |
| 09:36.12 | LoneWlf | dondelelcaro : good call, hold on |
| 09:36.17 | eggleston | tarzeau, how do i logg off other users?? |
| 09:36.24 | eggleston | tarzeau, how do i check which users are logged on |
| 09:36.38 | SaintN | w |
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| 09:37.33 | eggleston | can anyone tell me why UTMP thinks i am logged in four times, and what this means? |
| 09:39.41 | pelzi_ | you have xterms open? |
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| 09:42.16 | LoneWlf | dondelelcaro : that's got it... after a few retries |
| 09:42.27 | LoneWlf | dondelelcaro : now I'm onto a new one :P |
| 09:42.32 | LoneWlf | dondelelcaro : thanks much |
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| 09:46.04 | jeffrin | hello all |
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| 09:46.50 | jeffrin | when "list" gdb command it goes only through one source file |
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| 09:47.05 | jeffrin | when i use "list" gdb command |
| 09:47.19 | jeffrin | it goes only through one source file |
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| 09:50.46 | |fluxdud| | hi, what do you guys use for irc clients on linux? I haven't found one as good as mIRC on windows, they all seem a bit annoying. opinions welcome. |
| 09:51.17 | pelzi_ | irssi. |
| 09:51.23 | luge | mirc on white wine or xchat |
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| 09:52.24 | Guerin | fuck that |
| 09:52.29 | Guerin | !mirc on wine |
| 09:52.29 | dpkg | mirc on wine is, like, double the wrongness! |
| 09:52.34 | [Hazard] | kvirc |
| 09:52.34 | Guerin | !best irc client |
| 09:52.34 | dpkg | methinks irssi-text is probably the best IRC client |
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| 09:52.58 | Braindead | Guerin: maybe they wanna keep on using their 31337 w4rScRiptZ |
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| 09:53.03 | Guerin | |fluxdud|: if you're under the deliusion that mirc is good, then there's probably no hope for you |
| 09:53.15 | eggleston | can mencoder make a format that will be playable on a standard dvd player? |
| 09:53.23 | Maulkin | |fluxdud|: I would suggest xchat |
| 09:53.31 | Guerin | Braindead: too lame to haxx0r their own in any of the several real languages supported by any decent irc client |
| 09:53.52 | Maulkin | Now, calm it down, it was a simple question |
| 09:53.54 | Guerin | eggleston: doom9.org, or #mplayer |
| 09:54.22 | intx | tell intx about ntp |
| 09:54.47 | jeanre_ | !tell intx about ntp |
| 09:54.54 | intx | thanks |
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| 09:56.05 | phorce1 | one quick question before I blow something up. If I hace apt.conf set to prefer Etch but I have a sources.list entry for sid for one particular program ---- does apt-get dist-upgrade still stick with Etch (dist-upgrade to catch a package that was "held back") |
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| 09:56.35 | Priest-of-Psi | phorce1: it will break stuff |
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| 09:56.59 | |fluxdud| | thanks for the feedback guys, mirc is easy to use, so it does the basics nicely. but I'm currently using kvirc which is annoying and weak by my feeling, mirc opens all my windows simultaneously, v easy to set up, kvirc is not well laid out |
| 09:56.59 | ma3x | hi, I'm trying to send mail to yahoo and it says host mx2.mail.yahoo.com[4.79.181.135] refused to talk to me: 451 Message temporarily deferred - 4.16.50. does this mean the message will be delivered later, or probably not? |
| 09:57.17 | Maulkin | IT may be attempted later |
| 09:57.19 | Priest-of-Psi | |fluxdud|: use xchat |
| 09:57.21 | phorce1 | Priest-of-Psi: so I just need to comment out the Sid line and do an update then dist-upgrade |
| 09:57.29 | Priest-of-Psi | yeah |
| 09:57.32 | Priest-of-Psi | all the sid stuff |
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| 09:58.36 | wols | phorce1: what do you want to do? install a package from sid in your testing distro? |
| 09:59.01 | phorce1 | Priest-of-Psi: Thanks (I think I ended up not even pinning the package I wanted to sid so I need to pull that line anyway -- added it to install Sun-Java then found the same package in the Etch repository) |
| 09:59.09 | ma3x | Maulkin: but what is the case - did yahoo accept the mail and will try to deliver it later? |
| 09:59.10 | wols | you can have etch and sid in yource sources.list. when you prefer etch, etch will be used |
| 09:59.20 | Guerin | !fgi ma3x smtp+451 |
| 09:59.20 | dpkg | ma3x: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=smtp+451 |
| 09:59.22 | wols | to check you can use apt-cache show policy and see from where it's downloaded |
| 09:59.48 | wols | ma3x: yahoo did not accept it. this time |
| 09:59.55 | wols | ma3x: which mailserver was sending the mail? |
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| 10:01.00 | phorce1 | wols: See above -- I was going to use the sid install of sun Java so I had a sid line for non-free in sources.list. Now I need to use "dist-upgrade" to catch a "held" package and was afraid apt might see that as a sign to try to move up to Sid even though I have "Prefer Etch" in apt.conf |
| 10:01.18 | ma3x | wols: I used sendmail, I have configured postfix |
| 10:01.46 | wols | ma3x: not MTA. which mailserver? your own on your local machine? and if yes: do you use a smarthost? |
| 10:02.08 | Guerin | wols: did you look at the error code? |
| 10:02.19 | Priest-of-Psi | damn rezlooks rocks! |
| 10:02.29 | Guerin | 451 Requested action aborted: local error in processing |
| 10:02.31 | ma3x | wols: postfix, localhost. no smarthost |
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| 10:03.10 | wols | ma3x: yahoo will probably never accept your mail. neither will aol.com and lots of others. use a smarthost |
| 10:03.25 | ma3x | wols: why not? it accepted it untill now |
| 10:03.34 | NineTails | I'll think about it |
| 10:03.42 | ma3x | Guerin: where do you see that? I don't get that 451 Requested action aborted: local error in processing |
| 10:03.46 | ma3x | Guerin: that's from google |
| 10:03.49 | wols | even if yahoo accepts it, many others won#t accept your mail. You're in a DNSRBL |
| 10:03.59 | Guerin | ma3x: that's the response code |
| 10:04.01 | ma3x | is that some kind of blacklist |
| 10:04.06 | wols | yes it is |
| 10:04.12 | Guerin | it means 'something unspecified went wrong at our end' |
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| 10:04.15 | ma3x | what's the webpage? I wanna see |
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| 10:04.30 | phorce1 | ma3x: my servers definitely won't accept your mail -- and you'll get a 5xx error, not 4xx |
| 10:04.57 | Guerin | www.greenend.org.uk/rjk/2000/05/21/smtp-replies.html |
| 10:05.03 | Guerin | phorce1: why? |
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| 10:05.21 | Guerin | are you one of these morons which blacklists everyone who's not a major ISP? |
| 10:05.26 | phorce1 | ma3x: go to http://www.dnsstuff.com and enter your IP in the "spam lists" section at the top and tell it to search. |
| 10:05.39 | ma3x | phorce1: yeah your servers are premier class only |
| 10:05.51 | Guerin | fuck blacklisting, it's so damn wrong |
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| 10:06.12 | ma3x | Status: Starting. |
| 10:06.12 | ma3x | Failed: [processing] |
| 10:06.19 | ma3x | it's not blacklisted |
| 10:06.27 | ma3x | Guerin: why are you blacklisted? |
| 10:06.28 | phorce1 | Guerin: from the snippet of conversation I saw he's sending directly from a home server in dynamic namespace |
| 10:06.39 | Guerin | ma3x: nttbomk. |
| 10:06.43 | Guerin | phorce1: so? |
| 10:06.54 | ma3x | Guerin: yeah, in a way it allows only big hosts to communicate |
| 10:06.59 | wols | Guerin: spamzombies happen to do the same |
| 10:07.00 | ma3x | Guerin: what's nttbomk? |
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| 10:07.26 | Guerin | wols: i lived in Korea for three years - I know |
| 10:07.31 | Guerin | ask karsten about it sometime |
| 10:07.36 | Guerin | !nttbomk |
| 10:07.36 | dpkg | Not To The Best Of My Knowledge |
| 10:07.47 | ma3x | ok it sent out the email now |
| 10:07.48 | phorce1 | Guerin: so, get the millions of WinBlows users to keep their machines from becoming worm laden open proxies and maybe people will stop blocking dynamic IP space |
| 10:07.52 | ma3x | it was fscking yahoo problem, not mine |
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| 10:08.11 | wols | ma3x: even if you don't know it yet. you do have a problem |
| 10:08.24 | wols | dpg-reconfigure asked if you have a smarthost for a reason |
| 10:08.30 | Guerin | ma3x: yes, but unfortunately because yahoo are just as shortsighted as phorce1, it becomes YOUR problem |
| 10:08.33 | ma3x | wols: what problem? |
| 10:08.48 | ma3x | what is that Guerin ? |
| 10:08.49 | wols | some hosts not accepting mail from you |
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| 10:09.13 | Guerin | phorce1: I have heard the justifications, but blacklisting is just an iron curtain |
| 10:09.15 | wols | Guerin: what else should they do? |
| 10:09.15 | ma3x | wols: that's true, I agree |
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| 10:09.22 | naddar | hi all whats the command to delete a folder but complete with files in no rmdir |
| 10:09.29 | ma3x | wols: but only a very few. and if they don't accept mail gets returned right away |
| 10:09.37 | naddar | ok got it :) |
| 10:09.39 | pelzi_ | the blacklisting is idiotic. |
| 10:09.47 | dondelelcaro | naddar: rm -rf |
| 10:09.48 | ma3x | wols: yahoo was not the case. it was just doing this temporairly |
| 10:09.49 | pelzi_ | what prevents the zombies from using a smarthost? |
| 10:09.51 | phorce1 | ma3x: do you have a static IP that is NOT in "dynamic name space" (dynamic name space includes most static IPs provided by cable/DSL providers unless they have declared otherwise) |
| 10:09.58 | ma3x | pelzi_: why is that for? |
| 10:10.01 | wols | pelzi_: smtp auth |
| 10:10.16 | Guerin | wols: http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ has a good article on this matter, which does include blacklisting, but doesn't require it to be effective |
| 10:10.22 | pelzi_ | well... then learn to read the user's MUA's config. |
| 10:10.24 | Bushmills | greylisting works pretty well instead, if you don't mind a bit of a delay first time a server sends mail |
| 10:10.26 | phorce1 | pelzi_: How large of a customer base do you have to manage spam for? |
| 10:10.39 | wols | Bushmills: it's crap. |
| 10:10.39 | ma3x | phorce1: yeah |
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| 10:10.58 | pelzi_ | phorce1: I don't care, at least here it would be illegal to filter anything from an user's mailbox. |
| 10:11.01 | Guerin | ma3x: it says it's temporary, but most likely it's not |
| 10:11.10 | Guerin | phorce1: you misunderstand |
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| 10:11.20 | phorce1 | ma3x: If you have a "real" static IP then this discussion isn't about you <grin> |
| 10:11.21 | ma3x | Guerin: blacklisting is crap, because despite it, I always get junk mail. every day |
| 10:11.34 | Guerin | phorce1: this is a decision on the basis of a mail admin to not accept smtp from some hosts. Nothing illegal about it, anywhere |
| 10:11.40 | ma3x | Guerin: it was temporairly. it sent out now, I flushed the queue |
| 10:11.41 | Guerin | ma3x: that doesn't follow |
| 10:11.46 | phorce1 | pelzi_: My customers disagree. |
| 10:11.48 | Guerin | ma3x: oh, it worked? |
| 10:11.54 | ma3x | phorce1: why? |
| 10:11.55 | Bushmills | wols, are you referring to your particular piece of software you used, or to greylisting as general, calling it "crap"? |
| 10:12.01 | ma3x | Guerin: sure, it worked |
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| 10:12.06 | Guerin | huh, ok |
| 10:12.06 | wols | Guerin: that admin is beholden to its users. who might be paying customers |
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| 10:12.19 | pelzi_ | at least I rather have an ISP which does not decide who can mail me. |
| 10:12.27 | dondelelcaro | wols: greylisting software shouldn't be spamming you at all |
| 10:12.40 | dondelelcaro | wols: unless you mean the sender-auth crap, which really is garbage. |
| 10:12.41 | wols | Bushmills: I simply use a MUA and get spammed by greylisters when I post to a mailinglist. it's crap |
| 10:12.42 | naddar | exit |
| 10:12.47 | Guerin | wols: yes. My point is that there are better ways than blacklisting. Blacklisting is for lazy admins who are happy to remain in their anglocentric worlds. |
| 10:12.55 | pelzi_ | wols: that's not greylisting |
| 10:13.08 | wols | dondelelcaro: yes auth requests |
| 10:13.08 | Bushmills | "spammed by greylisters" ... sorry, i don't understand |
| 10:13.09 | luge | anglocentric worlds hahahah |
| 10:13.11 | wols | pelzi_: what is it then? |
| 10:13.17 | pelzi_ | something else. |
| 10:13.23 | pelzi_ | greylisting just checks your MTA |
| 10:13.25 | wols | pelzi_: what? |
| 10:13.28 | dondelelcaro | wols: real greylisting just means tempfail'ing a message, then waiting for the sender to requeue it |
| 10:13.38 | Guerin | Bushmills: he's talking about sender-auth, as in 'you sent me a mail,. now send another one to prove you're really a person' |
| 10:13.43 | pelzi_ | i.e. makes the first sending of the message fail, and sees if your MTA retries in a proper way |
| 10:13.49 | dondelelcaro | wols: spammers generally don't requeue; real MTAs do. |
| 10:13.50 | phorce1 | ma3x: Many ISPs (including me) block all mail if it is determined to be coming from "dynamic space" like cable/DSL providers home users. The proliferation of worm filled home boxes that are online 24/7 has made that mail dangerous. |
| 10:13.53 | wols | dondelelcaro: what hinders the spamming worm to try again? |
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| 10:14.15 | Bushmills | Guerin: i know about greylisting, i simply don't understand what wols means, saying "spammed by greylisters" |
| 10:14.16 | pelzi_ | wols: it has better things to do. |
| 10:14.22 | dondelelcaro | wols: most spammers don't use real live MTAs that can handle it |
| 10:14.26 | ma3x | phorce1: how do you determine if my ip is real static or not? |
| 10:14.28 | pelzi_ | wols: and generally, they just do not, so it just works. |
| 10:14.36 | Guerin | wols: spammers' smtpds don't implement the full smtp spec, and don't have enough time/bandwidth/cycles to account for this sort of thing |
| 10:14.37 | wols | pelzi_: like what? enlarge penisses? right now I get lots of garbage or even empty mail to fool bayes filters |
| 10:14.42 | ma3x | phorce1: lycos does this, I think.. |
| 10:14.43 | Guerin | some do, but the bulk don't |
| 10:14.47 | wols | what makes you think such greylisting hinders them? |
| 10:14.51 | Guerin | Bushmills: yes, I know.. |
| 10:14.55 | Maulkin | IME, the bulk do |
| 10:14.57 | pelzi_ | wols: the fact that it works. |
| 10:14.57 | Guerin | wols: the fact that it does? |
| 10:15.05 | Guerin | <heh> |
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| 10:15.11 | dondelelcaro | wols: it's not 100% effective, but even culling 30% is useful. |
| 10:15.23 | dondelelcaro | (and IME, it's closer to 80-90%) |
| 10:15.26 | wols | bayes filter worked, so they send bayes seeding messages now. big deal. doesn't mean the spam has diminished |
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| 10:15.38 | phorce1 | Guerin: I see blacklisting as a way to slowly take away the spammer's mail routes. Force mail to be sent from true static IP's with responsible parties at the other end who will take action if their server is compromised. |
| 10:15.44 | Guerin | wols: indeed. It's cat+mouse. |
| 10:15.45 | dondelelcaro | wols: no, it just makes the spammers try harder; it's one tool in the arms race |
| 10:15.51 | pelzi_ | wols: the spammers use MTAs that just try to contact as many hosts as possible, they do not have a real mail queue so they can't really manage which hosts should be retried. |
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| 10:15.55 | Guerin | phorce1: but it doesn't work. |
| 10:16.00 | Guerin | phorce1: not in that way, anyhow. |
| 10:16.12 | Guerin | wols: read the link I gave you above |
| 10:16.17 | diilbert | What is the default "system" path in Debian ? If I am installing source packages |
| 10:16.28 | wols | pelzi_: the change would be trivial for them. I mean a worm is a VB program. no one notices that it's 1MB more than the last version... |
| 10:16.30 | Guerin | wols: the guy gets 1,000,000 spam per day or somesuch |
| 10:16.31 | diilbert | FOr binaries and libs |
| 10:16.32 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: the problem with blacklisting is too often the listings are wrong |
| 10:16.42 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: FE, murphy keeps getting listed. |
| 10:16.47 | wols | Guerin: I hope it has postfix examples :) |
| 10:16.50 | Maulkin | diilbert: erm... it follows FHS |
| 10:16.51 | pelzi_ | wols: no, it would have to remember which machines didn't respond and which did |
| 10:17.01 | wols | pelzi_: yes. 1MB more, that's all |
| 10:17.02 | Guerin | wols: all sendmail, unfortunatelky. But the principles hold. |
| 10:17.07 | diilbert | Maulkin: Which is ? |
| 10:17.09 | phorce1 | ma3x: RoadRunner, AOL, others. "real static" or "static in dynamic space" usually determined by reverse DNS lookup or by consulting the lists provided by some of the big providers (I think RoadRunner is one that provides lists) |
| 10:17.10 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: using those kind of lists as part of a scoring system is appropriate, but rejecting just based on them is not a good idea |
| 10:17.14 | Guerin | !spam |
| 10:17.15 | dpkg | spam is, like, a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), or http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
| 10:17.19 | pelzi_ | wols: it would also have to retry later, and on spambot worms the user could turn the PC off or the dynamic IP could change. |
| 10:17.33 | Maulkin | diilbert: Depends what you actually want. Libs and binaries are stored in different places. There isn't really a 'system' path |
| 10:17.44 | Guerin | phorce1: Your idea will not work. Here is why it won't work. |
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| 10:17.54 | diilbert | Everything is going to to /usr/local/bin, but some progs can't find the libs that arre in the /usr/local/lib |
| 10:17.58 | Guerin | phorce1: (x) Anyone could anonymously destroy anyone else's career or business |
| 10:18.03 | Guerin | (among others) |
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| 10:18.29 | diilbert | Maulkin: Is there a way to add the /usr/local or is everything in /usr/ |
| 10:18.32 | dondelelcaro | diilbert: you're better off making real Debian packages that install to /usr/lib et al. |
| 10:18.33 | luge | put the /usr/local/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf and then type ldconfig |
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| 10:19.02 | Avochelm | what is the best way to install cpan modules on debian? with 'perl -MCPAN' or http://debian.pkgs.cpan.org/ ? |
| 10:19.11 | Guerin | Avochelm: with dh-make-perl |
| 10:19.20 | dondelelcaro | Avochelm: with apt-get install libfoo-bar-baz-perl; baring that, use dh-make-perl. |
| 10:19.30 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: I block whatever dynamics I can. The ONLY blacklist I block with is SpamCop because they delist automatically if an error is found or if no further reports are received (plus their reporting system is a pain in the ass so most of the time only real spam gets reported) |
| 10:19.39 | Avochelm | thanks |
| 10:19.40 | dondelelcaro | Avochelm: although, in general, if the module isn't packaged in Debian, you should question whether you should use it |
| 10:19.40 | diilbert | I forgot about the ldconfig part.. thanks it worked |
| 10:19.41 | Maulkin | hah! |
| 10:20.03 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: Other DNSBLs I use in scoring with SpamAssassin |
| 10:20.12 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: uh... spamcop has listed murphy about 8 times already. |
| 10:20.18 | Maulkin | Spamcop contains millions of fake positives. I refuse to sue them, even as a score |
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| 10:20.28 | dondelelcaro | (and master a few dozen) |
| 10:20.33 | Crysis | How can I install KDE ? |
| 10:20.34 | Maulkin | Or use even |
| 10:20.42 | pelzi_ | I'd never trust my mail to some unknown blacklist. |
| 10:20.42 | Guerin | Crysis: aptitude install kde |
| 10:20.47 | Crysis | ok |
| 10:21.00 | Crysis | Guerin done and now ? |
| 10:21.12 | Guerin | Crysis: you can do it whenever you like |
| 10:21.25 | Crysis | do what ? |
| 10:21.32 | Guerin | install kde |
| 10:21.34 | Crysis | I want to install KDE |
| 10:21.35 | dondelelcaro | Crysis: you've got kde; start it with startkde; or using your dm. |
| 10:21.35 | phorce1 | dondelelcaro: for how long each time? |
| 10:21.39 | Guerin | you have my permission to unilaterally proceed |
| 10:21.50 | Crysis | dondelelcaro what is a DM ? |
| 10:21.51 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: for days eeach time |
| 10:21.53 | dondelelcaro | !dm |
| 10:21.54 | dpkg | DM means display manager. xdm, gdm, kdm, wdm, pdm, and login.app are all examples of display managers. Ask me about nodm if you want to disable the DM. |
| 10:22.17 | Guerin | Crysis: log in as root and type 'aptitude install kde' |
| 10:22.20 | Crysis | dondelelcaro startkde command not found I have just done aptitude install KDE |
| 10:22.21 | Guerin | Crysis: that is all |
| 10:22.32 | Crysis | Guerin I have done that now how can I launch it |
| 10:22.35 | Maulkin | For spamcop, read http://www.spamcop.net/fom-serve/cache/329.html |
| 10:22.37 | intx | is there a more server ntp server available other than ntp-server? |
| 10:22.42 | Guerin | Crysis: you haven't installed it if startkde isn't there |
| 10:22.51 | Guerin | intx: more server? |
| 10:22.54 | Maulkin | That completely fails to account that some peiople may have *shock*horror* secondary MXes |
| 10:23.02 | intx | oops.. |
| 10:23.09 | intx | *more secure ntp server than ntp-server |
| 10:23.16 | Guerin | intx: what's insecure about it? |
| 10:23.18 | Crysis | hmm Guerin kde not KDE i typed with TOUPPER ^^ |
| 10:23.22 | Avochelm | 'apt-cache search .*-perl\$ | wc -l' says 1119 packages and www.cpan.org says there's 10667 modules. hmmm |
| 10:23.22 | intx | it runs as root |
| 10:23.30 | Guerin | intx: so? |
| 10:23.51 | vorsprung | Avochelm, dh-make-perl |
| 10:23.56 | Avochelm | ah righto ;) |
| 10:24.14 | vorsprung | Avochelm, (or whatever the automagic perl module to deb package script is called these days) |
| 10:24.16 | dondelelcaro | Avochelm: yes... but anyone can upload anything to CPAN. I'm not saying you shouldn't use them, I'm saying you should question whether you should use them. |
| 10:24.33 | dondelelcaro | things that are used by a large number of people tend to get added to Debian fairly quickly |
| 10:24.34 | Avochelm | sounds resonable |
| 10:24.36 | vorsprung | Avochelm, also some of the -perl debs are bundles |
| 10:24.41 | Avochelm | ok |
| 10:24.58 | Crysis | Guerin and after I have install KDE I can connect my USB mouse ? |
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| 10:25.01 | intx | Guerin: http://www.securityfocus.com/bid/14673/discuss |
| 10:25.07 | Bushmills | intx: not right |
| 10:25.16 | Bushmills | intx: it starts as root, then drops root privs |
| 10:25.34 | Guerin | intx: Aug 27 2005 12:00AM |
| 10:25.43 | phorce1 | Maulkin: That's actually something I agree with. Once you've accepted something for delivery you shouldn't send it back out. I just wish all the tools were up to the task. Any mail we accept and decide is spam using spamassassin gets tagged and delivered, not bounced. |
| 10:25.45 | Guerin | intx: give debian-security some credit |
| 10:25.48 | Bushmills | intx: most network services do that\ |
| 10:25.56 | diazepam | could someone tell me how you indicate to aptitude that you also want to install the suggested and recommended packages when using the apt-get command? |
| 10:26.17 | Guerin | diazepam: aptitude and aptitude do not know about each other |
| 10:26.23 | dondelelcaro | diazepam: use aptitude, not apt-get. |
| 10:26.30 | intx | ah, it drops privileges.. didn't know that |
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| 10:26.31 | Guerin | diazepam: use one or the other; don't chop and change between them |
| 10:26.34 | intx | thanks, secure enough then |
| 10:26.40 | kristalino | hi. How to see .hlp files ? |
| 10:26.52 | Guerin | intx: check security.debian.org for the status of the debian packages |
| 10:26.53 | phorce1 | Maulkin: Oh, I read the "misdirected bounce" section -- hang on, re-reading |
| 10:27.03 | Maulkin | phorce1: So how about when someone spoofs an email address from my domain, and that generates a boucne which gets sent on to spamcop? |
| 10:27.09 | Guerin | kristalino: output of 'file foo.hlp' |
| 10:27.30 | kristalino | Guerin, MS Windows Help Data |
| 10:27.39 | Guerin | kristalino: run windows |
| 10:27.48 | kristalino | erm |
| 10:27.50 | Guerin | kristalino: or aptitude search hlp |
| 10:28.02 | kristalino | errm |
| 10:28.08 | Maulkin | phorce1: I *never* bounce after a 200, but that hasn't stopped me being listed for a misdirected boucne. Whcih is also actually required by RFC822 |
| 10:29.04 | kristalino | kristalino, or run winhelp |
| 10:29.17 | Guerin | kristalino: if you know, why did you ask? |
| 10:29.43 | diazepam | okay - i usually use APT but if your saying that aptitude is the ducks guts i will learn that - got a link to a tut? |
| 10:30.02 | Guerin | diazepam: man aptitude; it ain't rocket science |
| 10:30.17 | kristalino | i didn't know 5 minutes ago |
| 10:30.24 | kristalino | anyway |
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| 10:30.32 | Guerin | diazepam: you mostly need to just train your fingers to type 'itude' instead of '-get' |
| 10:31.16 | diazepam | Guerin - finding packages looks a little more involved. |
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| 10:31.26 | Guerin | diazepam: it ain't |
| 10:31.38 | phorce1 | Maulkin: kind of a "which distro is better" argument. It works for me and my customers. I've lost 4 customers in 6 years due to the use of SpamCop. 3 had personal domains at spam friendly hosting sites, one had a friend using cox.net cable internet who wouldn't use any other email service (cox STAYS listed because they refuse to even respond top spam reports --- the other big companies manage to "stay clean" |
| 10:31.49 | Guerin | the search is an AND, not an OR, I think ... or maybe the other way around |
| 10:32.29 | Guerin | phorce1: the fact that it meets your business needs don't make it any less evil |
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| 10:33.44 | Maulkin | phorce1: It's, of course, your perogative. But don't expect any mail from me (or quite a few others) to ever reach you :) |
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| 10:35.16 | phorce1 | Guerin: Like anything, it just needs better reporters. With my own customers the general rule is to tell them to report all spam directly to us at our abuse@ address and to never report to a spam service such as spamcop ---- I determine from their reports to me if they can "handle" using spamcop directly and tell them how after several months of review. |
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| 10:35.52 | Guerin | phorce1: that's a good policy. Pity others don't follow it. |
| 10:35.56 | phorce1 | Maulkin: I keep several addresses outside the domain. People who get listed have to have a way to reach me. |
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| 10:36.32 | dondelelcaro | phorce1: you assume that we'll actually jump through hoops, though... |
| 10:36.34 | Maulkin | phorce1: Oh, so I should jump through hoops to reach you? :) |
| 10:36.35 | Guerin | and that, really, is the problem: supporting RBLs by using them means they remain popular, and as long as they remain popular, eejits as well as smart people will use them |
| 10:37.14 | phorce1 | If SPF and DomainKeys catch on in the corporate world we may be able to do away with blacklists -- or refine them so that SPF or DK is used to verify that the mail really did come from a compromised server |
| 10:37.18 | Maulkin | I'm a little to busy to do that. If an email boucnes because you're using a RBL that's blacklisted me, I'll ignore it. |
| 10:37.19 | Braindead | diazepam: aptitude-doc-en |
| 10:37.24 | Maulkin | HAH. |
| 10:37.33 | Maulkin | Mind you, this is way off topic. |
| 10:37.37 | Maulkin | So I won't bother :) |
| 10:37.50 | phorce1 | Maulkin: Depends on why you want to reach me. |
| 10:38.15 | wols | phorce1: if he's a prospecting customer, he certainly won't be a real customer any time soon |
| 10:38.52 | Guerin | phorce1: (x) Many email users cannot afford to lose business or alienate potential employers |
| 10:39.20 | phorce1 | wols: That's fine. Spamcop catches about 30 - 40% of our real spam. I would lose a LOT of customers if I disabled it. |
| 10:39.36 | pelzi_ | heck... even some ISPs abuse systems fail to accept mail because of blaclists |
| 10:39.40 | Guerin | not necessarily |
| 10:39.52 | Guerin | if you used other aggressive measures instead |
| 10:40.06 | pelzi_ | and 60-70% is still coming through? |
| 10:40.14 | pelzi_ | doesn't that already annoy customers? |
| 10:40.49 | cast | i get annoyed at my 0.5 uncaught spam / day :\ |
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| 10:41.23 | Guerin | which I can do, now that I have a week between terms |
| 10:41.27 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:41.27 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:42.18 | phorce1 | We are a small company -- roughly 6000 customers. About 11,000 valid addresses on the mail server. We get about 800,000 emails daily. We reject at SMTP about 720,000 of those. We still guesstimate from customer complaints that at least half of the remaining 80,000 are spam. |
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| 10:43.01 | tarzeau | phorce1: interesting |
| 10:43.14 | havoc_ | where is the standard directory the mysqld-config file (my.cnf) ist installed to? thought it should be somewhere in /etc but it seems that it is not installed at all... |
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| 10:43.38 | Guerin | phorce1: you must have read the horribly framey http://www.acme.com/mail_filtering/ then? |
| 10:43.56 | tarzeau | phorce1: we're not THAT large, but also interesting: https://webmail.phys.ethz.ch/stats.html |
| 10:44.02 | Priest-of-Psi | anyone here want gaim-svn? for etch? |
| 10:44.11 | phorce1 | Actually, I don't think I've ever been to acme.com |
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| 10:44.44 | wols | and when I look at roadrunner cartoons, I don't wanna go three either. they have big QA problems |
| 10:45.07 | Priest-of-Psi | roadrunner rocks! |
| 10:45.08 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: are there public stats? |
| 10:45.53 | Guerin | phorce1: hm. Yer man gets well over a million per day, and kills close to 100% |
| 10:46.01 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: not really |
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| 10:46.43 | phorce1 | tarzeau: My rrdtool setup blew up and I haven't rebuilt it. My stats are from manual review right now. |
| 10:47.32 | tarzeau | phorce1, dondelelcaro i've tried to run some smtp survey here, many years ago: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/smtp/ |
| 10:47.48 | tarzeau | i've gotten about all dns entries of .se, about 400000 domains, i could run the smtp stuff on those.... |
| 10:48.08 | Priest-of-Psi | god damn xorg is huge! |
| 10:48.22 | Priest-of-Psi | checking out cvs |
| 10:48.24 | Priest-of-Psi | takes ages |
| 10:49.47 | phorce1 | Guerin: Holy COW! That dude has some problems (acme.com) |
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| 10:50.31 | tapas | hi.. some part of the update of apt-get upgrade told me to purge hotplug |
| 10:50.41 | tapas | apt-get remove hotplug says "not installed" |
| 10:50.55 | tapas | apt-get --purge remove hotplug says justr the same |
| 10:50.59 | tapas | so what to do? |
| 10:51.26 | wols | dpkg -P hotplug |
| 10:51.29 | tapas | ok |
| 10:51.50 | tapas | wols: thanks.. ok. rebooting.. |
| 10:52.33 | phorce1 | whoah -- I don't need python upgraded enough to have debhelper and equivs removed just yet |
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| 10:53.46 | simon23 | how can i retrieve my messages which are displayed during booting ? |
| 10:53.56 | simon23 | there is a log file anywhere - right ? |
| 10:53.56 | wols | dmesg |
| 10:54.05 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.14 | simon23 | no - the bootlogs... these are different on my machine. |
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| 10:54.15 | wols | there is syslog, messages and kern.0.log |
| 10:54.16 | Braindead | or bootlogd,it depends |
| 10:54.37 | simon23 | yes - i meant bootlogd... |
| 10:54.42 | wols | simon23: are you running debian sarge or better? |
| 10:54.47 | Braindead | !tell simon23 about bootlogd |
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| 10:54.55 | mortalguy | How do I restart ALSA when I get error '/dev/snd/seq: No such file/directory' from programs using Alsa? |
| 10:55.01 | tapas | ok, looking good |
| 10:55.31 | tapas | a different question though. since it seems xfont packages were updated, too, almost all of the display fonts in kde are missing |
| 10:55.39 | tapas | [i see blanks instead of letters] |
| 10:55.44 | simon23 | wols: i'm runnning etch |
| 10:55.50 | simon23 | Braindead: thanks. |
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| 10:58.08 | simon23 | Braindead: is bootlogd called by the init process during bootup ? |
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| 10:58.29 | tapas | hmm, the fonts misery seems to be limited to KDE apps though |
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| 10:59.51 | phorce1 | I think sun-java5-bin doesn't create the right directory tree yet though |
| 10:59.57 | tapas | which kinda sucks as pretty much all i use are kde apps |
| 11:00.14 | andy | hi, i have a question about how aptitude handles unneded dependencies: |
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| 11:01.16 | andy | i understand that i removes packages that were autoinstalled as soon as they are not needed, still this leaves some packages behind, that are not necessary |
| 11:01.48 | andy | specific example: i installed a package (in ubuntu, to be specific) that brought in a lot of deps |
| 11:02.19 | andy | later i purged it but some of the deps brought in were not removed |
| 11:02.38 | dondelelcaro | andy: if something else depends upon those dependencies, then they will not be removed. |
| 11:03.03 | dondelelcaro | andy: alternatively, if something has marked those dependencies as manually installed, they won't be removed either. |
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| 11:03.11 | andy | i know, but they were brought in just with that last package -> they were not needed before |
| 11:03.22 | andy | no, the problem is elsewhere: |
| 11:03.24 | dondelelcaro | andy: then they'll be removed when you get rid of the last package. |
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| 11:03.58 | andy | they are listed under the possible way to fullfil the deps of some other packages |
| 11:04.14 | andy | and thus are not removed even when not strictly needed |
| 11:04.29 | andy | the question: is there a clean way to remove these? |
| 11:05.08 | dondelelcaro | andy: you have to explicitely select them for removal |
| 11:05.22 | phorce1 | andy: apt-get --purge remove (specific name) if you think you don't need it. |
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| 11:05.33 | dondelelcaro | andy: aptitude can't figure out which of the packages should be removed automatically, so it doesn't do anything to them. |
| 11:05.35 | andy | yeah, but how do i find them, there may be a lot of them... |
| 11:05.36 | wols | andy: use aptitude installing and uninstalling then they should be removed. but wouldn't #ubuntu be a better place to ask? |
| 11:05.52 | dondelelcaro | andy: packages like that are fairly rare. |
| 11:06.05 | phorce1 | andy: If says you DO need it then find out what still depends on it and apt-get install one of the other ways to meet the dependency |
| 11:06.11 | dondelelcaro | (and most of the times they have conflicts anyway) |
| 11:06.14 | andy | well, i figured this is just an aptitude question and debian people tend to understand aptitude better :-) |
| 11:06.35 | simon23 | hi- where can i specify my bootlogd options ? is bootlogd startet by the init process? (there is no comment in the man page!) |
| 11:07.14 | phorce1 | andy: look for a package called "orphan" I think it does something similar (looks for no-longer-needed packages) but it's been a while since I fiddled with it |
| 11:07.21 | tapas | deborphan |
| 11:07.31 | dondelelcaro | it's deborphan, and no, it won't do much in this situtation either. |
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| 11:07.46 | andy | phorce1: i know, but this has the same problem and more... |
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| 11:08.05 | dondelelcaro | andy: which packages are these anyway? |
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| 11:08.23 | phorce1 | andy: Nevermind any way -- it's "deborphan" and it's for finding unneeded libraries |
| 11:08.46 | andy | specific example: gdm depends on "gnome-session | xterm | x-window-manager | x-terminal-emulator" |
| 11:09.17 | andy | when i install package A that brings let's say konsole as a dep |
| 11:09.24 | andy | and later remove package A |
| 11:09.29 | andy | konsole will stay put |
| 11:09.39 | andy | though it is not needed |
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| 11:10.13 | andy | because gdm was satisfied before with other packages providing these names |
| 11:10.23 | phorce1 | andy: Unless you forced apt-get to create logs of every install session you'l probably just NEVER find all the ones you don't need. -- unless you do a dpkg -l and go through each installed package in the list by hand. |
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| 11:10.51 | andy | phorce1: aptitude keeps track od autoinstalled packages |
| 11:11.30 | andy | so it will normally remove unneeded packages, but not in this kind of situation |
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| 11:12.14 | andy | dondelelcaro: there you go with an example, any ideas? |
| 11:12.26 | phorce1 | andy: then you'll have to go through and remove them by hand. So, I guess the answer to your question is "no, apt does not automatically remove dependencies that are no longer needed" |
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| 11:13.23 | andy | well, i just thought that someone perhaps knows a way to use aptitude for this |
| 11:14.01 | andy | it keeps track of autoinstalled packages for a reason, after all, so i would expect this treatment to be "complete" |
| 11:14.06 | dondelelcaro | andy: the alternated dependencies like that are fairly rare, and only happen when a package provides something that other packages depend upon. |
| 11:14.12 | cast | andy: so using aptitude instead of apt-get is the answer...whhat's the question? |
| 11:14.32 | dondelelcaro | andy: the type of resolution that you're looking for is complicated, because it requires figuring out which dependencies should be kept, which may be non-obvious |
| 11:14.34 | Priest-of-Psi | anyone here good with making packages? |
| 11:14.40 | dondelelcaro | Priest-of-Psi: just ask your question |
| 11:14.53 | Priest-of-Psi | dondelelcaro: well I dont really know what to ask |
| 11:14.58 | andy | cast: the example above leaves aptitude clueless |
| 11:15.07 | Priest-of-Psi | I need some to do something with me quick so that I can figure this out |
| 11:15.20 | dondelelcaro | andy: feel free to file a bug on aptitude requesting a way to select packages which are automatically installed but can be removed without breaking dependencies |
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| 11:15.52 | andy | dondelelcaro: thanks, i guess that answers it :-) some things have to be done by hand, after all... |
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| 11:16.56 | andy | dondelelcaro: i agree that the choice among the several packages providing the dep is non-obvious |
| 11:17.28 | andy | perhaps it could be done during remove like this: |
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| 11:18.17 | Thandavarayan | /bin/sh: line 2: -d: command not found on building kde from source |
| 11:18.18 | andy | every package being removed tries to remove all its dependencies and if it does not break anything, removes them |
| 11:18.33 | Thandavarayan | what goes wrong, I dont understand. |
| 11:18.34 | andy | but perhaps that has other issues... |
| 11:18.35 | luge | is there no --nodeps option like for rpm? |
| 11:18.38 | pelzi_ | it has. |
| 11:18.59 | pelzi_ | let's say a package depends on a package the user uses but is the only package depending on it. |
| 11:19.09 | pelzi_ | that's really a situation that can't be handled by a program. |
| 11:19.44 | andy | i see, this really can't be automatic |
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| 11:21.37 | andy | thanks a lot everyone :-) |
| 11:22.04 | Priest-of-Psi | dondelelcaro: |
| 11:22.11 | Priest-of-Psi | jeanre@DeeMonical:~/Packages/rezlooks-0.6$ debian/rules configure |
| 11:22.12 | Priest-of-Psi | make: Nothing to be done for `configure'. |
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| 11:22.33 | Thandavarayan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:23.44 | dondelelcaro | Priest-of-Psi: configure is not a target that rules files are required to ahve |
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| 11:23.52 | Priest-of-Psi | ah |
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| 11:23.58 | dondelelcaro | Priest-of-Psi: if you want to build the package, you just need to run fakeroot debian/rules clean binary; |
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| 11:24.19 | mentor | onjoin |
| 11:25.15 | dondelelcaro | !tell Priest-of-Psi -about nm guide |
| 11:25.42 | phorce1 | whats the !dpkg command to find what package a particular file is in |
| 11:25.51 | tapas | argh |
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| 11:27.35 | Priest-of-Psi | dpkg-deb: building package `rezlooks' in `../rezlooks_0.6_i386.deb'. |
| 11:27.36 | Priest-of-Psi | tar: -: file name read contains nul character |
| 11:27.37 | Priest-of-Psi | w00t |
| 11:28.02 | Thandavarayan | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:28.47 | cast | use a binary? :D |
| 11:29.23 | tapas | lol apt-get upgrade from hell ;) |
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| 11:29.44 | mortalguy | I need to grep all the lines in a file that don't contain character 0x1A, how do I do this? I know it's grep -v <string> <file>, but how do I insert character 0x1A in Bash? |
| 11:30.49 | Priest-of-Psi | gmmmm |
| 11:31.02 | Priest-of-Psi | why would it moan tho |
| 11:31.58 | tarzeau | mortalguy: \032 ? |
| 11:32.09 | tarzeau | mortalguy: i'm not sure, can you give an example file? |
| 11:32.20 | mortalguy | tarzeau, thanks, I used $'\x1a' (from ##linux) |
| 11:32.39 | mortalguy | the source files I downloaded had a 1A character on the end |
| 11:32.56 | mortalguy | which I need to disappear, since the compiler doesn't like them |
| 11:33.05 | mortalguy | need to make disappear |
| 11:33.09 | Priest-of-Psi | wohooooo |
| 11:33.10 | Priest-of-Psi | it works |
| 11:34.22 | amortvigil | help my php my admin doesnt work i installed it three times and at the last time i made user and pass: lol / lol but still it gives wrong password error |
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| 11:37.02 | tapas | is there some way to reset kde to use some existing font? |
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| 11:39.38 | Thandavarayan | cast: means... |
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| 11:39.54 | phorce1 | Well THAT's honked up -- the sun java plugin for my AMD64 arch is in ia32-sun-java5-bin but not in plain old sun-java5-bin |
| 11:40.31 | vorsprung | mortalguy, perl -p -i -e 's/\x1a//g' *.c *.txt files/* |
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| 11:40.50 | vorsprung | mortalguy, take a backup first |
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| 11:41.20 | mortalguy | thanks, but I made it work now, thanks to ##linux |
| 11:41.24 | Priest-of-Psi | where can I check what package contains arp? |
| 11:42.14 | phorce1 | Priest-of-Psi: I use the search function at http://packages.debian.org |
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| 11:43.49 | tapas | ok, so i'm fucked |
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| 11:49.40 | Priest-of-Psi | tapas: ? |
| 11:50.08 | tapas | Priest-of-Psi: since last upgrade fonts don't work anymore in kde apps |
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| 11:50.28 | wols | !doesn't work |
| 11:50.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 11:51.39 | tapas | oh well, the fonts are replaced by blnks |
| 11:51.41 | tapas | blanks |
| 11:51.56 | wols | reinstall your fonts |
| 11:52.04 | wols | and it's not the fonts that are missing but letters |
| 11:52.10 | tapas | wols: hmm, ok will try |
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| 11:53.56 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmmm |
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| 11:54.11 | Priest-of-Psi | anyone reason why I wount have /dev/dsp by default? |
| 11:54.31 | phorce1 | anyone gotten a sun-java plugin for firefox working in etch? |
| 11:54.32 | wols | ALSA OSS modules loaded? |
| 11:54.46 | Priest-of-Psi | wols: can I just modprobe those? |
| 11:54.49 | phorce1 | errrr -- on amd64 |
| 11:54.57 | wols | yes |
| 11:55.13 | wols | phorce1: probably on a 32bit browser |
| 11:55.16 | tapas | Priest-of-Psi: youshould rather tell modprobe.conf to load it when some alsa driver is loaded |
| 11:56.19 | phorce1 | wols: ahhh -- not important enough to start needing to know wich browaer I have to open for specific pages |
| 11:57.06 | Priest-of-Psi | wols: do I have to reboot after installing alsa + linux sound base |
| 11:57.14 | wols | no |
| 11:57.17 | phorce1 | guess I'll try flash7 now |
| 11:57.23 | wols | only restarting a kernel needs a reboot |
| 11:57.24 | Priest-of-Psi | well I still dont have DSP |
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| 11:57.51 | wols | Priest-of-Psi: udev? |
| 11:57.56 | EdLin | phorce1: use java-package to install Java, not the installer alone |
| 11:57.57 | Priest-of-Psi | yeah |
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| 11:58.02 | Priest-of-Psi | should I just restart udev? |
| 11:58.19 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 11:58.23 | Priest-of-Psi | that did not fix it |
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| 11:58.30 | wols | no clue, never used it. I wait for version 3. maybe then it works like I want it |
| 11:59.30 | Priest-of-Psi | grrr |
| 11:59.33 | Priest-of-Psi | this is stupid |
| 12:00.20 | phorce1 | EdLin: Used the sun-java5-* packages available in etch |
| 12:00.36 | liable | whats wrong with udev? |
| 12:00.51 | Priest-of-Psi | liable: I am trying to get /dev/dsp |
| 12:01.11 | liable | Priest-of-Psi: modprobe snd-pcm-oss ?? |
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| 12:01.20 | tapas | reinstalling fonts didn't help |
| 12:01.26 | EdLin | phorce1: that should Just Work then |
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| 12:02.25 | phorce1 | EdLin: As wols said -- probably not for amd64 yet. JAVA works, but no plugins for browsers available |
| 12:02.31 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 12:02.32 | dpkg | somebody said bugstats was http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 12:02.39 | Priest-of-Psi | ------- sound initialization ------- |
| 12:02.40 | Priest-of-Psi | /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 12:02.40 | Priest-of-Psi | Could not mmap /dev/dsp |
| 12:02.42 | Priest-of-Psi | liable: |
| 12:03.16 | tapas | i suppose it will be easier to reinstall this box. unstable system that's over 3 years old.. |
| 12:03.25 | tarzeau | tapas: try to upgrade it? |
| 12:03.32 | tapas | tarzeau: that's what caused the pain |
| 12:03.38 | tapas | apt-get upgrade ;) |
| 12:03.39 | Priest-of-Psi | liable: I have dev/dsp now |
| 12:03.54 | tarzeau | tapas: why? |
| 12:04.09 | liable | Priest-of-Psi: um, what did you do to get that error? |
| 12:04.14 | tapas | tarzeau: because i did it and now all letters are replaced by blanks in kde apps and some other apps, too |
| 12:04.17 | Priest-of-Psi | start ET |
| 12:04.18 | Priest-of-Psi | :D |
| 12:04.26 | tarzeau | tapas: did you remove all the kde configs? |
| 12:04.30 | tarzeau | tapas: of the user? |
| 12:04.34 | tarzeau | tapas: kde |
| 12:04.37 | tapas | tarzeau: i tried mv .kde .kde.bal |
| 12:04.39 | tapas | no help |
| 12:04.43 | tarzeau | kde made changes that don't work on major upgrades |
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| 12:04.51 | tarzeau | tapas: tried a new empty user home? |
| 12:05.02 | tapas | tarzeau: nope. byt kdm shows the symptoms already, too |
| 12:05.09 | tapas | so it's not user specific i figure |
| 12:05.23 | tarzeau | tapas: dunno, i've done such upgrades too (but then i didn't/don't use kde or gnome) |
| 12:05.27 | Priest-of-Psi | liable: any ideas? |
| 12:05.38 | tapas | well, some menu entries in the fluxbox menu are invisible too |
| 12:05.40 | tarzeau | tapas: yeah, i've no idea which X and what fonts you use |
| 12:05.54 | tapas | tarzeau: xorg, and some xfonts packges ;) |
| 12:06.18 | tarzeau | tapas: can you make screenshots? |
| 12:06.26 | liable | Priest-of-Psi: nope, i dunno why i bothered, its past my bedtime, and i shouldt have responded.. |
| 12:06.32 | tapas | tarzeau: yes, one moment |
| 12:06.34 | Priest-of-Psi | ok |
| 12:06.41 | Priest-of-Psi | its ok thanks for the help |
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| 12:09.06 | tapas | tarzeau: http://affenbande.org/~tapas/brokenfont.png |
| 12:09.17 | tapas | tarzeau: there you can see the missing entries in the fluxbox menu.. |
| 12:09.20 | phorce1 | EdLin: From the sun site about amd64 <sigh> Installation Instructions |
| 12:09.23 | phorce1 | This procedure installs the J2SE Runtime Environment, but not the Java Plug-in or Java Web Start (which are not yet available for 64-bit Linux). The J2SE Runtime Environment for Linux 64-bit comes bundled in two install formats, whose filenames are given here: |
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| 12:09.56 | Sabba | I'm downloading debian-31r1-i386-binary-1.iso from mirros.kernel.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-dvd and the both show >4GB on the site, but downloaded are only 384MB and 131MB. That right? |
| 12:09.57 | tapas | tarzeau: and also the majorly out of proportion font used for the menu in the gimp.. |
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| 12:10.11 | jgonzalez | hi |
| 12:10.28 | jgonzalez | how can i start a debian installation from a pendrive ? |
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| 12:10.49 | Sabba | -1.iso is 385MB and -2.iso is 131MB ? |
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| 12:11.27 | tarzeau | tapas: well that's a gtk problem |
| 12:11.31 | tarzeau | tapas: removed .gtk* ? |
| 12:11.46 | tapas | tarzeau: and this one: |
| 12:11.55 | tapas | http://affenbande.org/~tapas/brokenfont2.png |
| 12:12.00 | tapas | shows konqueror in its glory |
| 12:12.24 | tarzeau | tapas: and that's a #debian-kde problem, tried the BTS? |
| 12:12.34 | tarzeau | tapas: really this has nothing with the debian system, or upgrades or sid to do |
| 12:12.43 | tarzeau | tapas: that's a software quality problem of kde and gtk |
| 12:13.01 | tapas | tarzeau: oh well.. kinda weird how everything breaks with a single apt-get upgrade |
| 12:13.11 | tarzeau | tapas: no, not everything breaks |
| 12:13.17 | tarzeau | tapas: only your gtk and kde software |
| 12:13.18 | tapas | tarzeau: :) |
| 12:13.30 | tarzeau | tapas: if somebody doesn't use any gtk or kde software (like me), he'll not have any problems |
| 12:13.47 | tapas | tarzeau: well, i kinda suspecterd the font management as the paths where fonts are installed changed during this upgrade i think |
| 12:13.54 | tarzeau | tapas: no they didn't |
| 12:14.03 | tarzeau | tapas: kde and gtk have a problem |
| 12:14.09 | tarzeau | tapas: this is not specific to debian |
| 12:14.16 | tapas | from /usr/lib/X11/fonts/ to /usr/share/fonts/X11/something |
| 12:14.19 | tarzeau | tapas: it will also happen on other systems with KDE and gtk |
| 12:14.42 | tarzeau | tapas: well that's only the X11 fonts |
| 12:14.51 | tarzeau | tapas: not the ones in /usr/share/fonts/ |
| 12:15.03 | tarzeau | tapas: the ones you mean are only relevant for xterm and the like , afaik |
| 12:15.21 | tarzeau | tapas: repeat after me: I HAVE NOT A SID BUT A KDE and gtk PROBLEM |
| 12:15.36 | tarzeau | and try reading the !sid faq |
| 12:15.41 | tapas | tarzeau: well, i see your point.. |
| 12:16.22 | tarzeau | tapas: say it |
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| 12:16.53 | tapas | tarzeau: why should i say something i'm not sure of yet |
| 12:16.56 | tapas | ? |
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| 12:17.51 | Braindead | admitting it is the first part of the detox path |
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| 12:19.11 | phorce1 | Well, so much for playing on the bleeding edge of hardware (which really isn't so bleeding edge any longer). Flas7 also doesn |
| 12:19.25 | phorce1 | .'t work on amd64 |
| 12:19.42 | pelzi_ | just use a 32bit userland. |
| 12:19.48 | pelzi_ | or ditch non-free stuff. |
| 12:20.26 | tarzeau | pelzi_: there can even be free software that don't work on 64bit userland yet |
| 12:20.42 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 12:20.56 | pelzi_ | but porting is it easier than non-free. |
| 12:21.00 | pelzi_ | it is* |
| 12:21.14 | tarzeau | pelzi_: well it's possible yes |
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| 12:21.33 | pelzi_ | in the end all properly written C should work on a 64bit unless it does some not-so-common things |
| 12:22.35 | phorce1 | pelzi_: I have a Winblows box plugged into the network and the Remote Desktop Client works fine if I need a java/flash browser |
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| 12:23.24 | loply | Does anybody know if there is a way of sorting PostgreSQL results using a "natural order" alrogithm? i.e. one that extracts the numerical component of an alphanumeric string, and sorts based on these numericals |
| 12:23.56 | tapas | the thing that kinda opposes your theiry is that removing all user specific config files doesn _not_ fix the problem |
| 12:24.02 | pelzi_ | loply: probably need some sql trickery |
| 12:24.17 | tapas | neither for kde nor for gtk |
| 12:24.29 | pelzi_ | maybe gtk and kde are just broken? |
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| 12:24.49 | tapas | pelzi_: then they shouldn't be in debin i suppose |
| 12:25.00 | tapas | plus: whu should both break at the same time? |
| 12:25.05 | pelzi_ | you're running unstable, aren't you? |
| 12:25.08 | tapas | looks much more to me like there's a common cause |
| 12:25.12 | tapas | pelzi_: yes |
| 12:25.16 | pelzi_ | maybe they share the same bug? |
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| 12:25.39 | pelzi_ | why shouldn't buggy software be in unstable? that's kind of paradoxical |
| 12:25.40 | Nameeater | when I 'shutdown -h now' debian does not Power Off, I'm pretty sure when I had ubuntu on it it did, is there anyway I can make it work? |
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| 12:26.10 | tapas | pelzi_: there's a slight difference between "just broken" and "buggy" :) |
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| 12:27.43 | tapas | anyways.. i have my home dir on another partition. i will just try to reinstall it from scratch.. it might be that something just had some serious hickup |
| 12:27.56 | tapas | s/it/the system/ |
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| 12:31.19 | ktwilight | how can i determine which is my dvdrom? |
| 12:31.37 | Fox | ktwilight: dmesg |
| 12:31.42 | ktwilight | i've tried mounting cdrom, cdrom0 and cdrom1 and still don't work |
| 12:31.43 | ktwilight | ah k |
| 12:31.54 | pelzi_ | maybe dmesg | less :P |
| 12:31.55 | Braindead | ktwilight: dmesg | grep DVD |
| 12:32.16 | ktwilight | hm, i only get a bunch of evbug.c: Event. Dev: isa0060/serio0/input0, Type: 0, Code: 0, Value: 0 |
| 12:32.24 | tapas | dmesg | grep -i dvd |
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| 12:32.35 | ktwilight | nothing |
| 12:32.38 | tapas | dmesg | grep -i cdrom |
| 12:32.41 | pelzi_ | is it ide or sata |
| 12:32.43 | ktwilight | same |
| 12:32.44 | ktwilight | ide |
| 12:32.49 | ktwilight | bios detects it |
| 12:32.54 | pelzi_ | his dmesg is full of something else, it won't work |
| 12:33.06 | pelzi_ | hdparm -i or -I might tell you. |
| 12:33.15 | Braindead | yeah,we went for the fast path |
| 12:33.36 | ktwilight | hdparm -i what? |
| 12:33.42 | pelzi_ | /dev/hda |
| 12:33.49 | pelzi_ | and b, c and d |
| 12:33.52 | |quoth | anyone know of a debian distro that can boot on a macbook (intel) ? |
| 12:33.56 | pelzi_ | it is one of those probably. |
| 12:33.58 | ktwilight | ah |
| 12:34.03 | ktwilight | ok, is ee it |
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| 12:34.47 | tapas | shouldn't there be some HAL way to do this kind of stuff? |
| 12:35.13 | ktwilight | awesome |
| 12:35.24 | ktwilight | but i wonder why it didn't auto-detect... |
| 12:35.26 | ktwilight | and load |
| 12:35.45 | punkerfrancais | hey all. Excuse me to disturb you, I have a problem with a hardisk. I would like to know if it is possible to desactive the dma in the file fstab (dma cannot works, this hardisk is damaged) |
| 12:36.05 | tapas | punkerfrancais: not in the fstab [which only mounts file systems] |
| 12:36.17 | tapas | punkerfrancais: but you might be able to pass some boot parameter to the ide driver |
| 12:36.36 | azeem | I think hdparm can deactivate it semi-permanently |
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| 12:36.45 | GoAuLd | punkerfrancais /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 12:37.04 | punkerfrancais | thank you very much :) |
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| 12:37.20 | tapas | ide=nodma |
| 12:37.25 | ktwilight | hm, i'm gettin' a mount: wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/hdc, |
| 12:37.25 | ktwilight | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:37.33 | enouf | lshal |
| 12:37.34 | punkerfrancais | ok, I will try it |
| 12:37.36 | GoAuLd | or from command line, hdparm -d0 /dev/hda |
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| 12:37.52 | tapas | punkerfrancais: can you actually boot into the system to call hdparm? |
| 12:38.13 | enouf | tapas: lshal |
| 12:38.15 | tapas | punkerfrancais: if so, GoAuLd's way might work. otherwise pass ide=nodma to the kernel via grub or lilo |
| 12:38.24 | tapas | enouf: ah ok :) i will check it out |
| 12:38.36 | enouf | tapas: man udevinfo |
| 12:38.44 | enouf | too |
| 12:38.45 | GoAuLd | thats better though |
| 12:39.15 | tapas | enouf: ok. thanks |
| 12:39.19 | x_link | Hi folx ! |
| 12:39.37 | x_link | enouf: I will go in 2 hours to that computer store. |
| 12:40.00 | tapas | ok, i'm gone.. will reinstall later today.. |
| 12:40.10 | enouf | x_link: nice |
| 12:40.17 | x_link | Yeah =) |
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| 12:40.20 | GoAuLd | im finding repositorys with newer programs like ones im seeing in kde.org like kfuseiso that looks cool |
| 12:40.33 | enouf | bbl kids .. gotta go out for a bit |
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| 12:40.49 | GoAuLd | do anyone know? |
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| 12:41.05 | Ronin | GoAuLd: know what? |
| 12:41.40 | GoAuLd | know of any repository offering good packets that are not available in the official ones |
| 12:41.56 | azeem | GoAuLd: those are not recommended |
| 12:42.13 | azeem | GoAuLd: if you look for something specific, maybe somebody can give a recommendation |
| 12:42.22 | azeem | GoAuLd: if you run stable, check www.backports.org |
| 12:42.29 | GoAuLd | no, im running etch |
| 12:42.39 | GoAuLd | but im seeing very good packets at kde.org |
| 12:42.57 | azeem | you can install them at your own risk, we don't support them |
| 12:43.03 | GoAuLd | but theyre not in .deb only sources |
| 12:43.14 | azeem | eh, then they are not packages |
| 12:43.37 | azeem | use the KDE packages in etch |
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| 12:44.03 | GoAuLd | but those programs found in kde.org are not available :( |
| 12:44.27 | azeem | 14:33 < azeem> GoAuLd: if you look for something specific, maybe somebody can give a recommendation |
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| 12:44.59 | GoAuLd | im looking for kfuseiso 20061017 (CD/DVD Software) |
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| 12:46.10 | ma3x | how do I extract .cpkg? |
| 12:46.20 | GoAuLd | it can mount umount nrg iso mdf bin from konqueror |
| 12:46.28 | GoAuLd | with the mouse! |
| 12:46.32 | GoAuLd | :) |
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| 12:48.06 | vi-config | my needs include installing postfix, my fresh install configures exim to handle local mail. I'm a little paranoid about having two mailers ... is it ok to do something like dpkg --purge exim2 or should I just leave it be ? |
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| 12:54.58 | ma3x | what the hell, I downloaded a .tar.gz package and I try to extract it and it says gzip: stdin: not in gzip format |
| 12:55.01 | ma3x | what's the problem? |
| 12:55.11 | amortvigil | hey is there a way too convert a md5 passwd to a alfabetic passwd? |
| 12:55.28 | |quoth | amortvigil its a hash, a hash is one-way |
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| 12:55.47 | amortvigil | oke |
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| 12:56.28 | amortvigil | |quoth the problem is my phpmyadmin it always says im useing the wrong password |
| 12:56.43 | Asche | hi, i have a home lan with a router in linux, y put the iptraf, and it marks me a tcp flow rate of 17 kbits/s |
| 12:56.47 | Asche | is that goof ? |
| 12:56.51 | Asche | good ? |
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| 12:57.42 | wols | good for what? |
| 12:58.00 | wols | vi-config: just install postfix, exim4 will be removed |
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| 12:58.29 | wols | amortvigil: mysql password. not sstem password |
| 12:58.42 | wols | amortvigil: just set a new one with mysql |
| 12:58.51 | Asche | if it a good conection |
| 12:58.54 | Asche | in my lan |
| 12:59.05 | amortvigil | Wols why do you have to enter a phpmyadmin userand pass? |
| 12:59.08 | pelzi_ | quite slow for a lan. |
| 12:59.18 | wols | amortvigil: you need to auth against mysql. you always do |
| 12:59.35 | amortvigil | Wols k |
| 12:59.40 | wols | Asche: for a LAN it'S basically nothing. LANs run at 10/100/1000 MBit |
| 12:59.58 | wols | yours runs currently at 0,017 MBit utilization |
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| 13:00.21 | Asche | it could be the nic card ? |
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| 13:00.46 | Asche | because is too slow the lan conection, |
| 13:00.57 | Bushmills | what do do with "Authenticating sudo_1.6.8p7-1.4_amd64.deb ... |
| 13:00.57 | Bushmills | debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed. |
| 13:00.57 | Bushmills | " or other packages, required to do what dpkg suggest for installing the keys? |
| 13:00.58 | wols | iptraf only shows what you currently used. not maximum attainable |
| 13:01.04 | Asche | and internet in the clients its not very good |
| 13:01.32 | Asche | well im going to download something |
| 13:01.43 | wols | your LAN speed is not WAN speed... |
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| 13:02.32 | Asche | how can a i test my lan ? |
| 13:03.03 | cylon | what do you mean? |
| 13:03.22 | Asche | cause in the server i download something at 150 kbytes p/s |
| 13:03.25 | Asche | and in a client |
| 13:03.29 | cylon | performance something? |
| 13:03.30 | Asche | at 45 kbp/s |
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| 13:03.50 | wols | what do you use for NAT? |
| 13:03.51 | Asche | the same thing |
| 13:03.53 | cylon | isn't it usual? |
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| 13:03.56 | Asche | iptables |
| 13:04.10 | wols | of course iptables. but where did you get the script for it? |
| 13:04.17 | wols | or self written or what? |
| 13:04.24 | cylon | do you use ip-shaper something? |
| 13:04.28 | Taube | wols: script to do what? |
| 13:04.47 | wols | to enable NAT of course |
| 13:04.47 | Asche | i use, a script made by a friend |
| 13:04.49 | cylon | ... |
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| 13:05.00 | wols | Asche: try ipmasq debian package jsut for testing |
| 13:05.06 | Taube | wols: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE ? |
| 13:05.19 | wols | Taube: it's a bit more than that usually... |
| 13:05.29 | Asche | wols ok, and if it still works slow ? |
| 13:05.39 | wols | Asche: then you have eleminated one possibility |
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| 13:05.51 | wols | Asche: and you can change back |
| 13:06.29 | Asche | i think is the nic, cause i had to switch the nics, cause one didnt works with the adsl modem |
| 13:07.02 | Asche | and now im connected to the lan with the nic that dont work with the adsl modem |
| 13:07.02 | Asche | je |
| 13:07.03 | Asche | he |
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| 13:09.13 | Asche | bye thanks :D |
| 13:09.19 | cylon | it's very interesting to adjust tcp/ip in detail |
| 13:09.29 | cylon | hehehehehhehehhehehhehehe |
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| 13:13.59 | js_ | which kernel should i install on 3ghz xeon system? |
| 13:13.59 | wols | 686 |
| 13:14.04 | amortvigil | hey i got everythign woking now ive installed this : apache2 myql-server mysql-client mysql-php5 en phpmyadmin pacages do ik have to install more? |
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| 13:14.26 | wols | how should we know what yu need? |
| 13:14.31 | wols | *you |
| 13:14.58 | amortvigil | wols i need a standart webserver with php |
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| 13:15.06 | asdrubaleZ | hello :) |
| 13:15.19 | asdrubaleZ | are you experiencing problems with security.debian.org like me? |
| 13:15.20 | wols | you already have that. but then there is the qesiont what "standard" means here.. |
| 13:15.24 | asdrubaleZ | I get Network is unreachable |
| 13:15.49 | wols | asdrubaleZ: pings fine here |
| 13:16.00 | wols | lobos.debian.org |
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| 13:18.18 | asdrubaleZ | sorry guys, I didn't type route add default gw 10.0.0.2 :D |
| 13:18.26 | asdrubaleZ | but I am seeing it's a bit slow :( |
| 13:18.31 | asdrubaleZ | not like the other mirrors |
| 13:18.39 | amortvigil | wols how can i edit users |
| 13:18.44 | amortvigil | wols how can i edit users in commandline |
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| 13:20.11 | wols | ask #myql. short version: you create a table and add users to it. the mysql manuals tell you how |
| 13:20.31 | wols | #mysql |
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| 13:20.44 | amortvigil | wols i was askign for debian |
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| 13:20.57 | wols | and I was answering for it |
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| 13:21.07 | wols | so install the docs and read up on it if you want a "debian answer" |
| 13:21.39 | amortvigil | k |
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| 13:26.25 | loply | I'm trying to select some data from PostgreSQL using the to_number function, ala: SELECT to_number(theStringColumn,0000) from tblSomething; but i'm getting an error (invalid input syntax for type numeric:) |
| 13:26.35 | loply | it works if I replace theString.column with 'anExampleString' in quotes |
| 13:26.46 | loply | any ideas? I've tried every imagineable variation in syntax |
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| 13:26.52 | wols | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:26.52 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a bag full of rutabagas, a little WD-40, and a handful of three-legged goats. And keep the cops off my back for the next few hours! |
| 13:27.04 | wols | loply: better ask a postgres channel |
| 13:27.31 | loply | wols: Yeah, but I can't find one with any populus? |
| 13:28.11 | wols | look for things like mailinglists and the like |
| 13:28.16 | d0uglas | does badblocks go a lot slower if i don't specify the -b and -c values? |
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| 13:34.27 | jindal | hullo guys, whats the alternative to /dev/dsp when using alsa? |
| 13:34.52 | azeem | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.08 | azeem | you shouldn't have to worry about it though |
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| 13:35.28 | tarzeau | d0uglas: yes very much |
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| 13:36.52 | jindal | azeem, vmware needs to output its sound...... but it tries to exclusively lock when using /dev/dsp.... wanna find a alternative |
| 13:37.04 | stv | I have a program that uses LC_TIME locale settings for displaying time stamps. Is there a way to influence the output format? Ideally I'd like to be able to specify strftime(3) formats, but it would be sufficient to get the seconds displayed (not just hour:minute) |
| 13:37.10 | azeem | jindal: use a sound daemon like esd |
| 13:37.31 | jindal | azeem, am not sure |
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| 13:39.09 | jindal | azeem, esd aint reported by ps |
| 13:39.16 | azeem | hrm? |
| 13:39.19 | wols | esound? |
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| 13:39.30 | vorsprung | stv, er I'm not sure I understand the question |
| 13:39.34 | azeem | jindal: that wasn't a question, it was a proposal |
| 13:39.39 | jindal | azeem, wols no |
| 13:39.48 | wols | apt-cache search esd |
| 13:39.52 | jindal | oks |
| 13:39.53 | wols | plenty of hits |
| 13:40.22 | jindal | wols, ya lots |
| 13:41.26 | jindal | azeem, wols esound-common is installed |
| 13:41.45 | vorsprung | stv, TZ=EST perl -e 'use POSIX qw(strftime); print strftime("%A %F %r",localtime);' |
| 13:41.58 | jindal | am already using alsa... do i need esound? |
| 13:42.05 | vorsprung | stv, that "just works"...I don't see what your question is asking..? |
| 13:43.30 | GoAuLd | whats better for sound? |
| 13:43.39 | GoAuLd | arts or esound ? |
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| 13:43.43 | wols | neither |
| 13:43.48 | GoAuLd | or something else |
| 13:43.52 | wols | pest or cholera: what is better |
| 13:43.54 | GoAuLd | tell me one please? |
| 13:43.55 | wols | !dmix |
| 13:43.55 | dpkg | well, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
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| 13:44.20 | GoAuLd | thanks |
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| 13:44.25 | GoAuLd | i never liked arts |
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| 13:46.27 | jindal | my need is find a alternative to /dev/dsp where multiple streaming is possible .... if possible wid alsa |
| 13:46.33 | GoAuLd | i dont find dmix anywhere |
| 13:46.37 | GoAuLd | in repos |
| 13:47.09 | fluxdude | what is the backspace character in you want to type it manually? I want to type something and have it come back as one character less... |
| 13:47.44 | wols | jindal: only if your soundcard/driver has a hardware mixer. if not: dmix only |
| 13:47.53 | wols | and good luck making vmware using dsp |
| 13:48.08 | socketERR | How can i start a process inside a script (./runDeamon &) an get It's PID? |
| 13:48.18 | fluxdude | I want to type something for an alias, but there is a space when it is executed and expanded. Therefore I want to put a backspace char in there to close the gap |
| 13:48.24 | wols | socketERR: man pidof |
| 13:48.39 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 13:48.47 | pelzi_ | it was $! or $* or something |
| 13:48.54 | jindal | wols, my sound card is onboard intel 845G .... and vmware is already using dsp ... but exclusively. |
| 13:49.15 | wols | then you must use dmix |
| 13:49.20 | wols | or another sound daemon |
| 13:49.21 | jindal | :) |
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| 13:50.03 | syntaxx | when i install debian and goes to network configuration it doesnt detect the dhcp is it possible to make it dhcp than static? |
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| 13:50.25 | azeem | syntaxx: what exactly do you mean with network configuration? |
| 13:50.32 | azeem | there are several ways to configure it |
| 13:50.38 | socketERR | pelzi_, thx |
| 13:51.06 | syntaxx | azeem, the network confiuration on install.. it does a network configuration on install right? |
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| 13:52.13 | abrotman | syntaxx: make it static when? once the system is installed ? |
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| 13:52.44 | syntaxx | abrotman, no make it dhcp once the system is installed |
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| 13:53.44 | abrotman | yes you can .. man 5 interfaces |
| 13:53.51 | syntaxx | thanks |
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| 13:54.23 | stv | vorsprung: I use an application that is not configurable to use strftime() format specifiers |
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| 13:55.31 | ShredZ | I upgraded my etch recently and now wmv's don't work in totem anymore |
| 13:55.41 | ShredZ | recently as in yesterday |
| 13:56.45 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:56.46 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 14:00.25 | row | how can I make a copy of a directory with hard links in it and such and recreate the links without copying what the link links to? |
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| 14:02.00 | row | ah http://www.mail-archive.com/backuppc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg03244.html |
| 14:02.38 | GoAuLd | with asound is it possible to give sound to kde without artsd? |
| 14:03.04 | GoAuLd | or is it only for specific apps? |
| 14:03.12 | GoAuLd | dmix asound.conf |
| 14:03.15 | GoAuLd | ;? |
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| 14:08.26 | vorsprung | stv, well if that is the case and if altering TZ externally doesn't DTRT then you are screwed :) |
| 14:08.43 | vorsprung | stv, or you have to alter the source so that it DOES use strftime |
| 14:08.52 | stv | I could write my own locale, but would prefer not to have to |
| 14:10.29 | abrotman | buy a country! |
| 14:10.29 | vorsprung | email the 10,000 sql statements to the sys admin and tell him to load them up as a matter of urgency |
| 14:10.38 | vorsprung | oops mischan :) |
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| 14:11.45 | stv | The "dbishell" program is the cause of the trouble. It seems to use the "SHORT" date format of the DBD driver (Sybase) |
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| 14:12.24 | vorsprung | I didn't know debian supported sybase |
| 14:12.36 | stv | It's off-topic, I know |
| 14:12.40 | infernixx | can anyone resolve ftp.nl.debian.org? |
| 14:12.43 | abrotman | i think it depends on the language |
| 14:13.00 | abrotman | infernixx: nope |
| 14:13.04 | stv | abrotman: all languages I tried use the wrong format :-/ |
| 14:13.05 | abrotman | vorsprung: i know it works for PHP |
| 14:13.12 | abrotman | at least the connectivity :) |
| 14:13.17 | abrotman | stv: wrong format of what ? |
| 14:13.19 | infernixx | someone broke it :| |
| 14:13.42 | abrotman | infernixx: can you resolve other .debian.org addresses ? |
| 14:14.00 | azeem | infernixx: xs4all has issues |
| 14:14.02 | abrotman | infernixx: i can't resolve ftp.de.debian.org either |
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| 14:14.11 | stv | abrotman: wrong output format of time stamps. I get the equivalent of strftime("%b %d %Y :%M"), but need the seconds, too |
| 14:14.27 | abrotman | stv: afaik .. that's a DB issue .. not a debian issue |
| 14:14.32 | vorsprung | abrotman, with most sane systems altering TZ will alter the programs behaviour with times and dates and stuff |
| 14:14.33 | azeem | ftp.de.debian.org has address 141.76.2.4 |
| 14:14.40 | syntaxx | abrotman, i set it to iface eth0 inet dhcp but it always get back to static |
| 14:14.51 | abrotman | syntaxx: paste your /etc/network/interfaces |
| 14:14.52 | abrotman | !paster |
| 14:14.53 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 14:14.58 | syntaxx | ok |
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| 14:14.59 | stv | abrotman: don't take away my hope ;-) |
| 14:15.00 | vorsprung | abrotman, it just depends what stv wants to do and what the real problem really is |
| 14:15.22 | abrotman | also .. some DBs have a function to format timestamps during the query |
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| 14:15.40 | stv | I use "dbishell" for ad-hoc SQL queries on a Sybase (Microsoft SQL) database for debugging purposes |
| 14:15.52 | abrotman | make up your mind .. sybase or mssql ? |
| 14:15.59 | stv | abrotman: that would work, but would cause much typing on my side |
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| 14:16.06 | pelzi_ | mssql is sybase |
| 14:16.07 | vorsprung | stv, it gets worse :) |
| 14:16.12 | pelzi_ | afaik |
| 14:16.13 | abrotman | pelzi_: not anymore .. they diverged |
| 14:16.19 | abrotman | they were at mssql7 .. but not since |
| 14:16.24 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 14:16.31 | stv | abrotman: Microsoft bought the Sybase DB, and call it "Microsoft SQL Server" |
| 14:16.32 | vorsprung | pelzi_, I believe sybase and mssql both use T SQL |
| 14:16.33 | abrotman | well .. there's been a few releases since then :) |
| 14:16.35 | pelzi_ | same ancestors, still |
| 14:16.38 | abrotman | stv: no ... they didn't |
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| 14:16.57 | Crysis | how can I change the hour of debian? |
| 14:17.00 | vorsprung | stv, SO ANYWAY |
| 14:17.03 | stv | abrotman: I know that I'm accessing a Microsoft SQL Server using a Perl Sybase DBD driver |
| 14:17.14 | abrotman | stv: yes .. that still works .. but other parts have changed |
| 14:17.19 | vorsprung | stv, you use a program which isn't part of debian to query a database that isn't part of debian |
| 14:17.24 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MSSQL#History |
| 14:17.32 | abrotman | anyways :) |
| 14:17.44 | vorsprung | stv, presumably you actually run the dbishell or sybase server process on debian? |
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| 14:17.52 | stv | I see. Now I learned something new, but still don't see the seconds with my time stamps ;-) |
| 14:17.56 | abrotman | hehe |
| 14:17.58 | stv | vorsprung: no |
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| 14:18.12 | abrotman | stv: if you do the query on the server .. do you get seconds ? |
| 14:18.17 | syntaxx | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4085 |
| 14:18.20 | vorsprung | stv, ok so work with me here. What the hell are you asking about? |
| 14:19.02 | abrotman | syntaxx: seems correct to me |
| 14:19.02 | stv | abrotman: I know the seconds *are* there ;-) "dbishell" used to print them, until some update changed that behaviour |
| 14:19.11 | vorsprung | some timestamp datatypes don't store down to a resolution of seconds |
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| 14:19.28 | vorsprung | stv, right! great! we are getting somewhere! |
| 14:20.00 | syntaxx | abrotman, yeah i thought so.. i don't know if its my router but windows can obtain ip automatically though |
| 14:20.11 | stv | vorsprung: really? I'm close to giving up |
| 14:20.20 | vorsprung | stv, in oracle ( which even though it isn't debian ) which I have a shitload of docs for there is a variable which sets the default output string for timestamp display |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | syntaxx: /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 14:20.32 | ShredZ | How come I can play wmv's in mplayer but not in totem anymore ? |
| 14:20.40 | abrotman | which backend for totem ? |
| 14:20.45 | vorsprung | stv, I would assume sybase can do the same. You need to look at the sybase docs for the magic setting |
| 14:20.52 | ShredZ | abrotman, how do I check this ? |
| 14:20.53 | stv | vorsprung: I'd be glad to find something similar for MS-SQL/Sybase |
| 14:21.02 | abrotman | ShredZ: dpkg -l totem* |
| 14:21.11 | Crysis | how can I change the hour of debian? |
| 14:21.11 | vorsprung | stv, just a sec I'll STFW |
| 14:21.20 | ShredZ | abrotman, totem-xine |
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| 14:21.33 | abrotman | ShredZ: should work afaik .. do you have the w32codecs installed ? |
| 14:21.35 | pelzi_ | Crysis: get ntpdate |
| 14:21.48 | ShredZ | abrotman, yes I do |
| 14:21.53 | syntaxx | abrotman, it says dhcprequest on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 port 67 dhcpack from 10.0.0.2 bount to 10.0.0.3 --renewal in 43200 seconds |
| 14:22.45 | vorsprung | stv, http://manuals.sybase.com/onlinebooks/group-as/asg1250e/sqlug/@Generic__BookTextView/25210;pt=24970 |
| 14:23.07 | abrotman | ShredZ: maybe get a new version ? |
| 14:23.10 | vorsprung | stv, please go and read the nice sybase manual :) |
| 14:23.13 | abrotman | syntaxx: seems fine to me |
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| 14:23.20 | ShredZ | abrotman, I upgraded yesterday and it doesn't work anymore since |
| 14:23.38 | stv | vorsprung: thanks |
| 14:23.44 | ShredZ | I'll try totem with gstreamer backend |
| 14:23.48 | abrotman | ShredZ: i meant of w32codecs :) |
| 14:23.56 | ShredZ | abrotman, that got updraged too |
| 14:24.14 | ShredZ | abrotman, it's at 20060611-0.0 atm |
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| 14:25.05 | syntaxx | abrotman, any more idea? |
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| 14:25.53 | Zap-W | what is the T in -rwsr-s--T ? |
| 14:26.11 | Braindead | Zap-W: SUID bit |
| 14:26.14 | stv | vorsprung: the time format set on the server ("SET DATEFORMAT") does not influence the display on the client (dbishell) |
| 14:27.16 | ShredZ | abrotman, if I install gxine it plays the files perfectly too, but totem just won't do it anymore :/ |
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| 14:28.31 | Zap-W | Braindead: what are sticky files |
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| 14:30.19 | Braindead | Zap-W: ah sorry the T,didn't read it properly |
| 14:30.20 | abrotman | ShredZ: eh ... maybe it can't find the codecs ? |
| 14:30.28 | abrotman | syntaxx: ifconfig -a .. paste it |
| 14:30.38 | abrotman | syntaxx: after you run /etc/init.d/networking restart |
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| 14:30.49 | Braindead | !fgi Zap-W linux+sticky |
| 14:30.49 | dpkg | Zap-W: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=linux+sticky |
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| 14:31.19 | Crysis | how can I change the hour of debian? |
| 14:31.32 | abrotman | your timezone .. or set the time ? |
| 14:31.35 | ShredZ | abrotman, is there any config file for totem ? |
| 14:31.37 | Crysis | set the time |
| 14:31.44 | Braindead | !tell Crysis about ntp |
| 14:31.54 | abrotman | ShredZ: not that i'm aware .. |
| 14:32.18 | ShredZ | abrotman, it doesn't play sound on an asf file I have either while mplayer does :/ |
| 14:32.21 | syntaxx | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4086 |
| 14:32.28 | Braindead | Zap-W: man chmod,check the STICKY FILES part |
| 14:32.30 | pelzi_ | Crysis: I told you, ntpdate |
| 14:32.30 | GoAuLd | when kde 4.0 for etch ? |
| 14:32.36 | ShredZ | abrotman, maybe the update for totem isn't 100% ? |
| 14:32.39 | Crysis | pelzi_ yes but i had not ntp :p |
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| 14:33.43 | pelzi_ | apt-get install ntpdate |
| 14:33.49 | pelzi_ | problem solved |
| 14:34.04 | pirast | I can't reach packages.debian.org :-( |
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| 14:37.08 | Hoxzer | !cpkg |
| 14:37.15 | Hoxzer | what is this? |
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| 14:37.30 | Hoxzer | aargh it isn't working |
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| 14:39.59 | abrotman | it isn't ? |
| 14:40.07 | abrotman | ShredZ: that's pretty odd |
| 14:40.23 | Eludias_ | On Unstable, 'apt-get -f install' bails out because /usr/X11R6/bin is not empty (containing e.g. xpaint), while 'apt-get remove xpaint' doesn't work because of dependency problems. What to do? |
| 14:40.30 | abrotman | syntaxx: wrong IP for eth0 ? |
| 14:40.42 | abrotman | pirast: dns broked! |
| 14:40.58 | abrotman | Eludias_: is opera installed ? |
| 14:41.14 | Eludias_ | abrotman: nope. |
| 14:41.20 | ShredZ | abrotman, I get error messages that seem to indicate totem doesn't read some of the dll's correctly |
| 14:41.31 | abrotman | ShredZ: checked the BTS ? |
| 14:41.31 | Eludias_ | abrotman: /usr/X11R6/bin contains xpaint, rdesktop and Xprt. That's all. |
| 14:41.48 | syntaxx | abrotman, i think because in my other pc running windows it detect 10.0.0.1 but since its off it must detect that ip is it correct? |
| 14:41.50 | ShredZ | abrotman, BTS ? |
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| 14:42.30 | abrotman | !bts |
| 14:42.31 | dpkg | i guess bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 14:42.41 | abrotman | Eludias_: purge them .. reinstall them later ? |
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| 14:43.09 | bk_ankur | how to get grub prompt using debian 3.1r1 dvd please... |
| 14:43.09 | Eludias_ | abrotman: How do I purge? 'apt-get remove --purge' gives dependancy problems, fix first. |
| 14:43.10 | pirast | does debian edge's gnome parse the menu files in /usr/share/menu? and does it parse menu files in /usr/share/applications? |
| 14:43.29 | Maulkin | edge? |
| 14:43.34 | bk_ankur | i want to reinstall grub.. that is the solo reason |
| 14:43.48 | abrotman | Eludias_: paste it |
| 14:43.57 | abrotman | pirast: debian's what ? |
| 14:43.59 | Maulkin | bk_ankur: at the boot prompt, type rescue |
| 14:44.14 | Maulkin | bk_ankur: then type man grub-install |
| 14:44.20 | Maulkin | when you get a shell |
| 14:44.26 | bk_ankur | Maulkin thanx ... testing.. |
| 14:44.30 | abrotman | tell Maulkin about enter |
| 14:44.38 | pirast | abrotman, etch.. sorry |
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| 14:45.08 | abrotman | pirast: i believe so .. the docs should cover that .. you may also want to install menu-xdg if it is not |
| 14:45.27 | bk_ankur | Mauklin : it gives me error "could not find kernel image: rescue" |
| 14:45.29 | pirast | abrotman, thanks |
| 14:45.48 | Maulkin | bk_ankur: try 'extert' and then there's an option to use a root shell |
| 14:45.52 | Maulkin | no... |
| 14:45.55 | Maulkin | 'expert' |
| 14:46.11 | Eludias_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/206663 |
| 14:47.39 | abrotman | Eludias_: you're going from sarge to etch ? |
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| 14:48.15 | Eludias_ | abrotman: Nope, inkscape 0.43 to 0.44. Which resulted in going from xfree to xorg. Which resulted in me doing apt-get dist-upgrade. |
| 14:48.30 | abrotman | Eludias_: but you're tracking etch ? |
| 14:48.45 | ma3x | how can I find out if I have 3d acceleration enabled or not? |
| 14:48.45 | abrotman | Eludias_: honestly .. just delete those dirs .. and reinstall the packages when it's all over |
| 14:49.07 | bk_ankur | Maulkin : but from root shell what to do next.. i am not getting grub command |
| 14:49.17 | abrotman | Eludias_: not elegant .. but it should suffice |
| 14:49.39 | Eludias_ | abrotman: no etch, but I'll try reducing sources.list. |
| 14:49.51 | bk_ankur | Maulkin : i think there is alt-f2 but i dont know why its not working.. |
| 14:49.54 | bk_ankur | am i correct |
| 14:50.08 | Eludias_ | abrotman: (http://pastebin.ca/206670 has current sources.list) |
| 14:50.26 | Eludias_ | abrotman: ah, there's an etch to delete. |
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| 14:53.37 | d0uglas | now that i'm reinstalling from scratch, i want to try to get my video right from the git-go.. got an ati radeon igp 320m. My plan: get xserver-xorg-video-ati, fglrx, mesa, aiglx, radeonfb.. then in the xorg conf switch ati to radeon in devices.. does that sound about right? |
| 14:53.40 | x_link | stew: I have to run alsaconf again now. |
| 14:53.47 | x_link | Damn this is really annoying |
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| 14:54.08 | d0uglas | ... doing the appropriate module enabling too of course |
| 14:54.11 | Eludias_ | abrotman: I only kept 'deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ unstable main non-free contrib', did 'apt-get update', and still 'apt-get dist-upgrade' and 'apt-get remove --purge xpaint' fail in the same way. |
| 14:55.14 | ShredZ | What are the -xen kernel images ? |
| 14:55.16 | d0uglas | and in the xserver configuration, do i want to enable drm and glx? framebuffer mode? |
| 14:55.24 | ShredZ | !xen |
| 14:55.25 | dpkg | xen is, like, an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
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| 14:57.04 | _tarzan_ | how do i release a program under gnu license , is there some kind of "author registry"?? |
| 14:57.37 | _tarzan_ | and where do i ask for have it included/packaged on debian? |
| 14:58.22 | x_link | d0uglas: can you tell me what I must do to run alsaconf all the time? |
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| 14:58.54 | ShredZ | abrotman, nog I deleted the totem config file from my .gnome2 folder and if I click the wmv it gives me the same error as before, when I click it again, I hear half a second of sound then totem crashes completely :/ |
| 14:58.58 | d0uglas | x_link: if i could i would bro... sorry |
| 14:59.16 | Crysis | how can I leave yafcrc when it search ? |
| 14:59.44 | x_link | d0uglas: Np, =) |
| 14:59.53 | Coweater | _tarzan_: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html and /msg dpkg rfp and /msg dpkg packaging |
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| 15:00.11 | valdyn | x_link: why do you think you have to run alsaconf often? |
| 15:00.14 | _tarzan_ | tks |
| 15:00.15 | Crysis | how can I leave yafcrc when it search ? please |
| 15:00.33 | x_link | valdyn: Cause other wise I don't get any sound, and when I run alsaconf I get sound again |
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| 15:00.54 | jonas22 | is there anything you can do to test if a grub configuration works without rebooting |
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| 15:01.00 | valdyn | x_link: which program is giving you sound? |
| 15:02.24 | valdyn | x_link: oh and which debian release are you using? |
| 15:02.59 | x_link | Debian Testing KDe 3.5 kernel 2.6 |
| 15:03.06 | x_link | But I found out a way now. |
| 15:03.10 | x_link | I will try that out. |
| 15:03.26 | valdyn | x_link: a way to run alsaconf automatically? |
| 15:03.33 | x_link | alsaconf, and when that is done I should run alsactl store |
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| 15:03.43 | valdyn | x_link: that's serious stupid |
| 15:03.47 | valdyn | x_link: that's seriously stupid |
| 15:03.49 | x_link | Really ? |
| 15:03.55 | x_link | A guy just told me to do that |
| 15:03.58 | valdyn | x_link: you should go the way that debian set up for you |
| 15:04.10 | x_link | hrmm ok. |
| 15:04.15 | x_link | I don't know how, that's the problem. |
| 15:04.31 | valdyn | x_link: its not technically wrong, its an adminittration nightmare to replicate what your OS does for you |
| 15:04.46 | Eludias_ | abrotman: Ok, going well now... 'apt-get remove --purge' is obviously somewhat different from 'dpkg --purge', which didn't mind the dependancy errors while puring. Thanks. |
| 15:04.48 | valdyn | x_link: now is KDE set to use alsa or oss? |
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| 15:05.08 | abrotman | Eludias_: ah eok |
| 15:05.08 | nargles | hi guys |
| 15:05.36 | abrotman | ShredZ: nothing in the bts ? |
| 15:05.40 | nargles | how can i find out whats a prefered graphics driver for a particular chipset? (being an integrated one in motherboard with an SiS chipset) |
| 15:05.42 | bk_ankur | thanx |
| 15:05.46 | bk_ankur | to all .. |
| 15:05.50 | nargles | vesa is the defualt, but does not provide a resolutionof 1024x768 |
| 15:06.06 | valdyn | x_link: and check if one at least of discover / udev / discover1 is installed |
| 15:06.36 | d0uglas | nargles: what does lspci -l say about your video setup? |
| 15:06.46 | x_link | valdyn: How do I check that ? |
| 15:06.48 | ShredZ | abrotman, nothing in the bugs no, guess it'll be fixed with next version :/ |
| 15:06.58 | wols | nargles: tried "sis" |
| 15:07.00 | PDani | hi |
| 15:07.15 | Crysis | I want to recompil my kernel but I have installed with a backported image, can I use the ftp.debian.org's sources of kernel ? |
| 15:07.17 | valdyn | x_link: 'dpkg -l udev' if the last line starts with 'ii', its installed |
| 15:07.23 | nargles | wols: indeed. |
| 15:07.26 | abrotman | ShredZ: or ask #gnome-debian on irc.gnome.org |
| 15:07.27 | nargles | hope its in the list |
| 15:07.37 | PDani | what's the matter with gaim-encryption in etch? |
| 15:07.47 | PDani | i can't find it |
| 15:07.54 | x_link | valdyn: Okey, I will run that now, thanks |
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| 15:07.59 | abrotman | !why is gaim-encrpytion not in testing |
| 15:08.00 | dpkg | gaim-encrpytion is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=gaim-encrpytion |
| 15:08.19 | cast | PDani: random suggestion...jabber supports OpenPGP :> |
| 15:08.19 | valdyn | x_link: that's not the fix yet, i just cant tell you a decent fix w/o that information |
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| 15:08.25 | r000t | someon here know why i have "tcp6 0 0 *:ssh " when i do netstat -tunlp ??? |
| 15:08.29 | Crysis | I want to recompil my kernel but I have installed with a backported image, can I use the ftp.debian.org's sources of kernel ? |
| 15:08.38 | abrotman | PDani: but spell it right :) |
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| 15:08.45 | abrotman | Crysis: why? |
| 15:08.47 | kxp | hey, can you guys get to http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines ? |
| 15:08.59 | abrotman | dns borked |
| 15:09.00 | valdyn | kxp: www.debian.org is broken |
| 15:09.07 | kxp | oh okay. |
| 15:09.11 | abrotman | azeem: all *.debian.org addresses are mucked ? |
| 15:09.12 | Crysis | abrotman because my french tutorial say this, for support ONLY our hardware |
| 15:09.24 | valdyn | abrotman: bugs.debian.org is ok |
| 15:09.25 | abrotman | Crysis: don't believe anythign the french say! |
| 15:09.26 | Crysis | abrotman and make the kernel smaller for faster |
| 15:09.34 | abrotman | Crysis: ignore it |
| 15:09.37 | azeem | abrotman: people.debian.org works for me, e.g. |
| 15:09.40 | Crysis | ok abrotman :) |
| 15:09.46 | kxp | valdyn: someone should update the chanel topic |
| 15:09.46 | abrotman | azeem: ah .. so it's just spotty |
| 15:09.50 | tuxedup | In kde if I insert a cdrom I can view its contents via Konqueror, however If I insert a dvd I cannot, it tells me it is a blank dvd. I can mount it and view the contents via looking at /media/cdrom/ Is there something I need to add to fstb to have konqueeror show it? |
| 15:09.51 | x_link | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/206714 Check it out |
| 15:09.55 | pelzi_ | DNS caches may make stuff work you know |
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| 15:10.23 | valdyn | x_link: is linux-sound-base installed? |
| 15:10.34 | x_link | I haven't touched it. |
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| 15:10.49 | valdyn | x_link: 'apt-get install linux-sound-base' |
| 15:11.00 | x_link | Okey |
| 15:11.08 | d0uglas | enable caching? ... might as well use sarge too, the way you're talking |
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| 15:11.32 | x_link | linux-sound-base is already the latest version |
| 15:11.34 | grendelson | All my upgrades and any apt-get actions are stuck due to python-uno pre-removel script error. |
| 15:11.38 | x_link | valdyn: |
| 15:11.52 | x_link | So I guess it's already installed. |
| 15:11.55 | Deepa | router (a static ip) -> computer (another static ip), which gateway should i use at the computer? |
| 15:11.58 | Deepa | router? |
| 15:11.59 | Deepa | isp's? |
| 15:12.04 | valdyn | x_link: run 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base', pick alsa |
| 15:12.09 | grendelson | I tried both python 2.3 and 2.4 and I cant get python0uno to un install correctly so it can upgrde (it's holding up OO.O and all other packages (debian testing) |
| 15:12.11 | pelzi_ | depends on if the router has nat. |
| 15:12.19 | x_link | valdyn: Okey |
| 15:12.47 | abrotman | grendelson: what's the error ? |
| 15:13.04 | valdyn | x_link: you havent checked yet if kde uses OSS or ALSA, have you? |
| 15:13.23 | x_link | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/206724 |
| 15:13.33 | grendelson | abrotman - pasting now - 1 sec :-) |
| 15:13.35 | x_link | valdyn: Nope ? |
| 15:13.40 | Deepa | pelzi_: router has nat yep |
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| 15:13.43 | x_link | I have alsways used the command alsacong. |
| 15:13.45 | x_link | alsaconf even |
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| 15:14.04 | abrotman | x_link: #hardware!! :) |
| 15:14.09 | enouf | x_link: yes .. if using KDE go into K control center Sound area and select which one you want .. those soundsystem daemons hog everything |
| 15:14.09 | valdyn | x_link: yea, alsaconf is something else, in your kde control center you can pick which sound system kde uses.. |
| 15:14.21 | x_link | Okey |
| 15:14.25 | grendelson | abrotman, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4087 |
| 15:14.29 | enouf | x_link: there's choices for OSS and/or ALSA and more |
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| 15:14.35 | valdyn | x_link: enouf knows more about kde than me |
| 15:14.36 | Schamane | mihi all |
| 15:14.44 | x_link | I will do that now |
| 15:15.00 | thirst | is ntfs write support already in etch. |
| 15:15.06 | valdyn | x_link: i would like you to boot into your debian w/o running alsaconf so i can see what's missing |
| 15:15.07 | Schamane | cann somebody telle me wich editor is included in the built in shell of woody? |
| 15:15.09 | grendelson | abrotman- I can't do anything since everytime dpkg tries to update packages it fails on this one... |
| 15:15.10 | enouf | x_link: but valdyn kjnows more about Linuxix than I |
| 15:15.17 | abrotman | Schamane: nano or nvi |
| 15:15.22 | Schamane | thx |
| 15:15.28 | enouf | Linux ..ix? wtf :-p |
| 15:15.34 | x_link | Audio Cds, System Bell, System Notification ? |
| 15:15.38 | x_link | Which one should I enter ? |
| 15:15.50 | abrotman | grendelson: i don't see anything in the bts either |
| 15:15.53 | enouf | x_link: it's obvious .. but I'll look for ya |
| 15:16.05 | Deepa | correct grammar should be "Linuxoxesexisest" |
| 15:16.11 | abrotman | grendelson: what if you apt-get --purge remove python-uno ? |
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| 15:16.22 | enouf | x_link: Sound System is not liosted there? |
| 15:16.22 | x_link | enouf: System Sound |
| 15:16.25 | grendelson | abrotman, one sec |
| 15:16.42 | cydork | grendelson: check bts i remember seeing similar bug. |
| 15:16.47 | x_link | enouf: Not Sound System, but System Sound is =) |
| 15:17.01 | enouf | tick Enable the SoundSystem in general tab .. which version of KDE are you using .. mines 3.5.3 |
| 15:17.19 | x_link | 3.5 |
| 15:17.22 | grendelson | cydork, I had similar problem with the bug package! I had to remove it manually and rip the lines for it out of the cache |
| 15:17.29 | x_link | So I should go to Soun System |
| 15:17.30 | x_link | wait |
| 15:17.33 | enouf | x_link: then Hardware Tab .. select for the dropdown wintype menu |
| 15:17.38 | grendelson | What is the bug reporting package (bugreport?) |
| 15:17.38 | enouf | from* |
| 15:17.49 | cydork | !tell grendelson about bts |
| 15:17.53 | enouf | x_link: 3.5.? |
| 15:18.00 | abrotman | reportbug |
| 15:18.08 | x_link | I'm in Hardware now. |
| 15:18.27 | grendelson | abrotman, Right I had to pull that one out by the roots (manually erase all lines form apt-get files~ |
| 15:18.29 | abrotman | x_link: i wsa joking |
| 15:18.32 | abrotman | oh .. nm |
| 15:18.37 | enouf | x_link: pick which one you want |
| 15:18.38 | abrotman | grendelson: huh ? |
| 15:18.57 | x_link | enouf: Where should I pick which one I want ? |
| 15:19.06 | x_link | I don't find alsa anywhere there. |
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| 15:19.17 | enouf | [11:09:01] <enouf> x_link: then Hardware Tab .. select for the dropdown wintype menu |
| 15:19.17 | enouf | [11:09:05] <enouf> from* |
| 15:19.17 | grendelson | abrotman, reportbug was giving me almost identical scritp errors when I tried to run upgrade in debian testing... I had to manually remove it! |
| 15:19.26 | x_link | Select The Audio Device, is it there I should pick whatever I want? |
| 15:19.27 | abrotman | uhm .. ok |
| 15:19.39 | valdyn | x_link: you cant just 'see' dfifferent choices without clicking on that widget |
| 15:19.40 | abrotman | where's _rene_ when you need him |
| 15:19.40 | enouf | Select the Audio Device |
| 15:19.45 | x_link | Okey |
| 15:19.51 | Znuffie | Hello. Can I ask some blootbot questions? I'm not running it in debian and I'm having problems with mysql5, with the TIME thingie =/ |
| 15:19.53 | x_link | And there I can choose whatever I want |
| 15:19.54 | valdyn | x_link: what is it currently set to? |
| 15:20.01 | enouf | then click Apply at bottom right |
| 15:20.12 | x_link | Autodetect |
| 15:20.19 | enouf | x_link: yeah .. what had it said before you messed it up :-p |
| 15:20.20 | abrotman | Znuffie: how is blootbot related to mysql5 or debian ? (besides that blootbot runs on both) |
| 15:20.24 | cydork | Znuffie: if you are not running debian i dont think we can help you much.. |
| 15:20.25 | enouf | ok |
| 15:20.27 | valdyn | x_link: pick somehting else, like alsa |
| 15:20.34 | x_link | enouf: I haven't touched it, it has always been like this. |
| 15:20.42 | x_link | valdyn: I don't have alsa in that list |
| 15:20.49 | Znuffie | cydork, abrotman, well, I can't find anything about blootbot, I mean no IRC channel, no support, no nothing =/ and it's your official bot |
| 15:20.51 | grendelson | abrotman, When I tryto do a --purge remove I get an unmet dependency error for OO.o! |
| 15:20.52 | valdyn | x_link: what is in that list? |
| 15:20.57 | enouf | x_link: You answered .. and I was joking :-) |
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| 15:21.04 | valdyn | x_link: its listing alsa devices probably, not 'alsa' literally |
| 15:21.09 | abrotman | Znuffie: oh .. don't they have a mailing list ? |
| 15:21.10 | GoAuLd | when kde 4.0 ? |
| 15:21.12 | abrotman | !blootbot |
| 15:21.13 | enouf | x_link: but we needed your answer |
| 15:21.13 | dpkg | hmm... blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 15:21.14 | GoAuLd | in etch |
| 15:21.28 | abrotman | Maulkin: you know anything about blootbots ? |
| 15:21.29 | Braindead | GoAuLd: in etch actually never |
| 15:21.33 | valdyn | GoAuLd: when will kde4 be released at all? |
| 15:21.41 | Znuffie | oh well, I guess I'll try the sf.net thingie |
| 15:21.43 | Znuffie | thanks |
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| 15:21.44 | Maulkin | abrotman: yes |
| 15:21.44 | vorsprung | "you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl" |
| 15:21.46 | lunitik | GoAuLd: KDE4 will _not_ be in Etch |
| 15:21.46 | enouf | x_link: it says Advanced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 15:21.53 | enouf | == ALSA |
| 15:21.58 | lunitik | valdyn: what kinda stupid question is that? |
| 15:21.59 | valdyn | !! |
| 15:21.59 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 15:22.03 | GoAuLd | and in testing ? |
| 15:22.05 | abrotman | where'd he go ? |
| 15:22.06 | abrotman | wtf |
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| 15:22.19 | valdyn | lunitik: hes asking for software to be in etch before its released at all |
| 15:22.32 | lunitik | GoAuLd: KDE4 will not be released until at least March 2007 I'd say |
| 15:22.49 | GoAuLd | wow |
| 15:22.54 | enouf | who .. what .. where? |
| 15:22.59 | enouf | why? |
| 15:23.00 | Braindead | wtf above all |
| 15:23.01 | lunitik | valdyn: My mistake... I read your response wrong |
| 15:23.21 | x_link | Select The Audio Device - Autodetect, Open Sound System, Advanced Linux Sound Architecture, No Audio Input/output, Enlightened Sound Deamon, jck Audio Connection Kit, Network Audio System, Threaded Open Sound System |
| 15:23.25 | Peggerr | does openvpn work on nic's that have mulitipule vip? |
| 15:23.25 | lunitik | GoAuLd: it might as well be a total rewrite... these things take time... |
| 15:23.36 | lindenle | Can someone tell me how to mount an ntfs partition image via loopback |
| 15:23.39 | valdyn | x_link: pick Advanced Linux Sound Architecture |
| 15:23.43 | x_link | enouf: Ahaaa, okey, Then I will pick that. |
| 15:23.46 | x_link | =) |
| 15:23.51 | enouf | doh |
| 15:23.56 | x_link | Then aply |
| 15:24.00 | x_link | apply, hehe osrry enouf ! |
| 15:24.01 | enouf | yep |
| 15:24.03 | x_link | sorry |
| 15:24.13 | x_link | Done., |
| 15:24.20 | x_link | Can I close Control Center now + |
| 15:24.21 | x_link | ? |
| 15:24.24 | valdyn | x_link: yea |
| 15:24.27 | jonas22 | well my reboot worked |
| 15:24.30 | enouf | yep .. |
| 15:24.31 | x_link | Okey |
| 15:24.35 | x_link | So now this should work then ? |
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| 15:24.39 | Maulkin | abrotman: why? |
| 15:24.39 | enouf | yep |
| 15:24.47 | abrotman | Maulkin: some guy was asking .. then ran off |
| 15:24.47 | x_link | Okey. |
| 15:24.50 | valdyn | x_link: reboot, check if sound works ( dont run alsaconf ), if sound does not work, i need the output of 'lsmod' |
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| 15:24.52 | x_link | Thanks ALOT enouf & valdyn |
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| 15:25.00 | jonas22 | there really should be a way to vet as thoroughly as possible a boot configuration |
| 15:25.01 | Maulkin | Fair enough :) |
| 15:25.05 | grendelson | abrotman, Even when I try to force a purge of python-uno it still errors out on script. The python-uno bts page doesnt say anything in particular |
| 15:25.07 | abrotman | Maulkin: go back to work now :) |
| 15:25.09 | valdyn | x_link: i do not think it will work, but once i have that lsmod output i do have sufficient inromation |
| 15:25.11 | x_link | valdyn: It will work if I reboot. |
| 15:25.17 | abrotman | grendelson: you can set the pre-rm script to exit 0 |
| 15:25.20 | enouf | x_link: you 'may' have to want to either Close out any/all sound system apps ... possibly even restart the session .. not reboot |
| 15:25.34 | x_link | So I should reboot KDE ? |
| 15:25.37 | valdyn | enouf: he needs to reboot for diagnosis |
| 15:25.43 | valdyn | x_link: your whole computer |
| 15:25.45 | enouf | valdyn: x_link ok .. |
| 15:25.51 | x_link | hrmm okey. |
| 15:26.01 | valdyn | enouf: easiest way for me to see which modules are autoloaded |
| 15:26.02 | grendelson | that was the answer I got when I got script errors upgrading reportbug - I'm still not 100% sure what that means becasue it didn't work then either :-) What exactly am I setting to 0? |
| 15:26.16 | enouf | valdyn: understood |
| 15:26.37 | enouf | valdyn: I chimed in when you were atleast half-way into it |
| 15:26.44 | valdyn | enouf: aye |
| 15:26.52 | lunitik | abrotman: btw, there is kio_smb ... all you need installed to use it is smbclient... then simply go to smb:/ipadd/dir ... kdenetwork-filesharing provides a kcontrol module to ease configuration... smb4k is probably the best option for a pretty frontend for windows users that are used to Network Neiborhood... |
| 15:27.06 | lunitik | abrotman: not sure if you still care about that or not... but yeah... heh :) |
| 15:27.13 | abrotman | lunitik: i figured there was .. but i don't have smb shares at home .. so i wouldn't have used it |
| 15:27.33 | Crysis | abrotman can I install my audio device without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 15:27.44 | abrotman | probably |
| 15:27.58 | Crysis | because I think it is no reconized now |
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| 15:28.10 | pelzi_ | lsmod | grep snd |
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| 15:29.57 | piotr | what's the way to repair apt-get errors like post-removal script errors |
| 15:30.09 | lunitik | abrotman: for what its worth... kdenetwork-filesharing provides a method for config'ing nfs etc too... not that you likely need such things, still nice :) |
| 15:30.15 | valdyn | piotr: fix the script |
| 15:30.16 | grendelson | piotr: same question here! |
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| 15:30.37 | abrotman | lunitik: golly .. it's like .. oyu're not a geek at all ... |
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| 15:30.58 | lunitik | abrotman: I just like pretty pictures :( |
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| 15:32.48 | piotr | grendelson: try dpkg --force-all -i package |
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| 15:32.53 | x_link | valdyn & enouf back |
| 15:33.09 | grendelson | piotr thanks I will |
| 15:33.14 | enouf | and? |
| 15:33.21 | lunitik | I usually run through GUI things as a quick starting point... then tweak anything the GUI won't let him do elsewhere... |
| 15:33.25 | cydork | !force-all |
| 15:33.25 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't use it. |
| 15:33.29 | x_link | Sound doesn't work |
| 15:33.33 | cast | lunitik: now now, NFS has to have the best setup EVA |
| 15:33.40 | valdyn | x_link: paste the output of lsmod |
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| 15:33.55 | sparr | having used force-all a few too many times is one of the reasons im considering reinstalling debian |
| 15:34.02 | x_link | Okey |
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| 15:35.01 | grendelson | Well then I'm stuck - I can't get the pre-removal script of python-uno to stop erroring out and it halts every package install I try! |
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| 15:35.17 | x_link | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/206750 |
| 15:35.19 | pelzi_ | fix the script |
| 15:35.20 | valdyn | x_link: after that run alsaconf and paste a new output of lsmod |
| 15:35.21 | x_link | There you go. |
| 15:35.31 | lunitik | grendelson: apt should have told you 'apt-get -f install' this doesn't help? |
| 15:35.31 | x_link | Okey. |
| 15:35.40 | x_link | Run alsaconf now and when it's done run lsmod again? |
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| 15:35.52 | pelzi_ | nothing helps when a pre-remove script breaks. |
| 15:35.59 | grendelson | lunitik, No |
| 15:36.03 | valdyn | x_link: nevermind, you dont even need to run alsaconf |
| 15:36.03 | pelzi_ | it is either --force-all or fixing the script by hand |
| 15:36.08 | valdyn | x_link: turn up your volume level |
| 15:36.18 | jeanre | hhmmm does anyone know how to get sound working in ET on etch? |
| 15:36.22 | valdyn | x_link: and unmute sound |
| 15:36.30 | valdyn | x_link: alsaconf may be doing that for you |
| 15:36.32 | lunitik | jeanre: whats ET? |
| 15:36.40 | jeanre | Enemy Teritory |
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| 15:36.47 | x_link | valdyn: unmute ? where do I do that ? |
| 15:36.47 | jeanre | I get DSP issues |
| 15:36.51 | grendelson | pelzi_, I would love to fix the script but I have to admit I dont knwo where to look or what to cahnge? I see the errors and that a object has no attribute but that doesnt mean I know what to change! |
| 15:36.59 | valdyn | x_link: alsamixer |
| 15:37.06 | valdyn | x_link: the M key |
| 15:37.10 | x_link | valdyn: ok |
| 15:37.16 | lunitik | jeanre: killing your sound daemon (likely arts or esd) doesn't remedy the issue? |
| 15:37.16 | valdyn | x_link: or any GUI mixer, i dont know KDE's |
| 15:37.19 | x_link | I use xmms, but I will open alsamixer insted. |
| 15:37.20 | pelzi_ | grendelson: an exit 0 is usually enough, /var/lib/dpkg/info helps. and see the bug tracker. |
| 15:37.30 | jeanre | lunitik: not using arts / esd |
| 15:37.34 | Crysis | can I install my audio device without recompiling the kernel ? |
| 15:37.38 | lunitik | valdyn: kmix ... you totally could have guessed that |
| 15:37.38 | valdyn | x_link: xmms doesnt cover all your channels |
| 15:37.44 | valdyn | lunitik: yea! |
| 15:37.52 | valdyn | x_link: ^^^ |
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| 15:38.03 | x_link | So I can't use xmms ? |
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| 15:38.08 | x_link | I don't find alsamizer |
| 15:38.11 | x_link | mixer |
| 15:38.12 | grendelson | pelzi_, The BTS has nothing on this, adn I'm not sure where to put the exit 0. Is that notes in /var/lib/dpkg/info? |
| 15:38.25 | lunitik | jeanre: if your sound is working else where... thats the only reason I can think of for issues with /dev/dsp being in use... |
| 15:38.25 | valdyn | x_link: use kmix |
| 15:38.25 | x_link | ok |
| 15:38.28 | pelzi_ | grendelson: the scripts are there. |
| 15:38.33 | sparr | is there a way to schedule package installation for the next reboot so that I dont lose the ability to play games when I install new video drivers? |
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| 15:38.36 | jeanre | lunitik: ------- sound initialization ------- |
| 15:38.37 | jeanre | /dev/dsp: Input/output error |
| 15:38.43 | jeanre | yes I can use mpd |
| 15:38.45 | jeanre | it works fine |
| 15:38.46 | |garo| | Do i need non-free for xen ? |
| 15:38.47 | x_link | valdyn: kmix is open now. |
| 15:38.48 | valdyn | x_link: you have several vulume controls, your xmms doesnt cover more than 1 |
| 15:38.49 | pelzi_ | grendelson: you can just replace the pre-removal with a script that does nothing, it is better than a --force-all |
| 15:38.59 | sparr | jeanre: "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" |
| 15:38.59 | valdyn | x_link: unmute and turn up volume if needed |
| 15:39.22 | pelzi_ | randomness might not sound nice. |
| 15:39.25 | pelzi_ | turn down the volume |
| 15:39.25 | x_link | valdyn: Should I just press M ? |
| 15:39.25 | jeanre | sparr: that works |
| 15:39.25 | grendelson | pelzi : Ahh OK i see the theory now... |
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| 15:39.36 | jeanre | get shsssssssssssssssssh sound |
| 15:39.46 | valdyn | x_link: that was a hotkey for alsamixer, in kmix you can click with your mouse i guess |
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| 15:39.51 | lunitik | jeanre: then sound works... |
| 15:39.57 | jeanre | hmmm |
| 15:40.06 | jeanre | why would I get input / output error then?> |
| 15:40.16 | x_link | valdyn: Okey, it's not on mute now. |
| 15:40.39 | lunitik | jeanre: no idea if you're not using a sound daemon |
| 15:40.39 | sparr | jeanre: maybe its trying to read from /dev/dsp, like a microphone? |
| 15:40.39 | valdyn | x_link: mute = no sound |
| 15:40.39 | sparr | jeanre: "ps -ax | grep sd" |
| 15:40.40 | x_link | ahh |
| 15:40.46 | x_link | Mute is not checked |
| 15:40.51 | d0uglas | jeanre: i had the same error.. i chmodded /dev/dsp wide open, restarted the sound server and it worked.. then i came here and asked what the proper way to do it and someone said adduser whoever audio and that fixed it. |
| 15:40.52 | pelzi_ | wouldn't lsof tell what uses the dsp |
| 15:40.56 | Crysis | I want to recompil my kernel but I have installed with a backported image, can I use the ftp.debian.org's sources of kernel ? |
| 15:41.05 | lunitik | pelzi_: indeed |
| 15:41.11 | valdyn | x_link: and? xmms playing? does xmms give an error? |
| 15:41.19 | x_link | ahh |
| 15:41.21 | x_link | I will try it now |
| 15:41.34 | x_link | yes |
| 15:41.36 | jeanre | d0uglas: I am in the audio group |
| 15:41.44 | d0uglas | oh.. well nevermind |
| 15:41.49 | Braindead | Crysis: you *want* to recompile or you ABSOLUTELY *need* to recompile? those are 2 different things |
| 15:41.59 | pelzi_ | did you logout after adding yourself to the group |
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| 15:42.04 | d0uglas | xmms2 is all right |
| 15:42.11 | Crysis | Braindead Nvidia dont find my kernel :/ |
| 15:42.12 | lunitik | x_link: XMMS *shudder* gives you sound... or gives an error? |
| 15:42.30 | Braindead | !fgi Crysis debian+nvidia |
| 15:42.30 | dpkg | Crysis: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+nvidia |
| 15:42.31 | ChraL | selam |
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| 15:42.37 | Braindead | !tell Crysis about nvidia |
| 15:42.42 | lunitik | d0uglas: Amarok spoils me I guess... because I'm far from a fan of XMMS2 or Beep either |
| 15:42.42 | jeanre | d0uglas: even chmod 777 /dev/dsp is not working |
| 15:42.46 | x_link | Please check that: |
| 15:42.47 | x_link | Your soundcard is configured properly, You have the correct output plugin selected, No other program is blocking the soundcard. |
| 15:43.01 | x_link | I get that error message. |
| 15:43.26 | d0uglas | jeanre: hmm.. uoga+rwx did the trick for me, but then you gotta restart the sound server |
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| 15:43.54 | valdyn | x_link: run 'aplay /usr/share/sounds/*wav', tell us that error you get |
| 15:44.04 | x_link | Okey |
| 15:44.05 | jeanre | d0uglas: I use alsa |
| 15:44.34 | valdyn | why the hell fuck with dsp permissions? |
| 15:44.35 | Bhavesh | did not know i was still here |
| 15:44.40 | d0uglas | jeanre: i might not even be in the same ballpark as you, but from what you said it sounded like what worked for me just might for you too but probably not |
| 15:45.08 | jeanre | can it not be that snd_hda_intel uses diferent dsp ? |
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| 15:45.11 | d0uglas | like i said, just adding myself to the audio group finally fixed my maguyver duct tape job |
| 15:45.14 | jeanre | and not snd_pcm_oss? |
| 15:45.27 | valdyn | jeanre: cant |
| 15:45.34 | x_link | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/206766 |
| 15:45.42 | valdyn | jeanre: though it could be on /dev/dsp1 if you have more than 1 soundcard |
| 15:45.49 | jeanre | valdyn: ? |
| 15:45.53 | grendelson | WOW gotta admit tat freaks me OUT 1 Just added the exit 0 as first line ot the prerm script for python-uno and it installed needed packages. BUT PRERM script removed python-uno NO? So Now I'm wondering what the heck got left behind by NOT running that prerm script! |
| 15:46.01 | jeanre | DeeMonical:/home/jeanre# ls /dev/dsp |
| 15:46.02 | jeanre | /dev/dsp |
| 15:46.04 | jeanre | only 1 |
| 15:46.12 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: did you get the script working with mirc.. on your debian box? |
| 15:46.17 | pelzi_ | I've had sound problems too, but removing the module before shutdown, then loading it at wakeup, removing it and loading it again made it work |
| 15:46.58 | pelzi_ | jeanre: ls /dev/dsp* ;) |
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| 15:47.09 | lunitik | pelzi_: I'm pretty sure that still qualifies as a pita |
| 15:47.09 | valdyn | x_link: does the directory /dev/snd exist? |
| 15:47.19 | jeanre | like I said only one! |
| 15:47.25 | cydork | grendelson: check the script afaik it checks for pycenter if not it manually removes it. |
| 15:47.26 | jeanre | DeeMonical:/home/jeanre# ls /dev/dsp* |
| 15:47.27 | jeanre | /dev/dsp |
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| 15:47.39 | x_link | valdyn: Where should I look ? |
| 15:47.46 | pelzi_ | lunitik: yes, but it is the more general lappy-and-shutdown PITA |
| 15:47.48 | valdyn | x_link: in /dev/dsp |
| 15:47.52 | x_link | ok |
| 15:47.53 | valdyn | x_link: in /dev/snd even |
| 15:47.55 | x_link | I will take a look |
| 15:48.01 | valdyn | x_link: type 'ls -ld /dev/snd' |
| 15:48.02 | lunitik | jeanre: you said cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp hissed successfully right? |
| 15:48.02 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: :) yeah but the ebonics was very outdated, had to hack in the contemporary jive |
| 15:48.11 | jeanre | lunitik: yeah |
| 15:48.16 | jeanre | that worked |
| 15:48.18 | lunitik | jeanre: if so, sound is working... your game simply doesn't like using ALSA |
| 15:48.19 | x_link | The file or folder file:///dev/snd does not exist. |
| 15:48.22 | grendelson | cydork, That seems to be what it does, and if it finds pycentral it runs pycentral. So If I just rem out the check for pycentral it iwll just run a manual remove? Eeks if I didn't run that do I have 2 python-unos now? |
| 15:48.25 | jeanre | but ET has input output error |
| 15:48.33 | jeanre | lunitik: everyone else uses Alsa |
| 15:48.35 | valdyn | x_link: what about /dev/dsp |
| 15:48.35 | x_link | valdyn: okey will type that now. |
| 15:48.43 | lunitik | jeanre: many people are still trying to get you to fix sound... but its working... so ignore that.... |
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| 15:49.08 | x_link | Same thing, doesn't exist |
| 15:49.17 | x_link | Shouls I run that command you just wrote now ? |
| 15:49.24 | valdyn | x_link: no need |
| 15:49.25 | x_link | ls -ld /dev/snd |
| 15:49.27 | x_link | Okey. |
| 15:49.31 | x_link | Can I close kmixer ? |
| 15:49.39 | x_link | Or should I have it open. |
| 15:49.39 | valdyn | x_link: yes |
| 15:49.46 | x_link | Okey. |
| 15:49.55 | valdyn | x_link: uname -r |
| 15:50.08 | x_link | ok |
| 15:50.09 | valdyn | !info udev etch |
| 15:50.11 | valdyn | !info udev sid |
| 15:50.22 | x_link | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 15:50.34 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.100-2 (etch), Packaged size: 257 kB, Installed size: 928 kB |
| 15:50.39 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.100-2.1 (sid), Packaged size: 259 kB, Installed size: 936 kB |
| 15:51.06 | jeanre | ok I got to fix my sound |
| 15:51.39 | Crysis | Braindead that say my kernel is not find etc... |
| 15:51.48 | lunitik | jeanre: your sound isn't broken... your game is just too old to use ALSA in my opinion |
| 15:52.01 | valdyn | x_link: /proc/asound/devices contains stuff? |
| 15:52.13 | Braindead | Crysis: "that" WHAT? |
| 15:52.14 | valdyn | x_link: use 'cat /proc/asound/devices' to see |
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| 15:52.17 | x_link | I will look |
| 15:52.36 | x_link | I don't have to be root right ? |
| 15:52.42 | Braindead | !tell Crysis about nvidia installer |
| 15:52.47 | valdyn | x_link: right |
| 15:52.50 | x_link | ok |
| 15:52.52 | Crysis | Braindead m-a auto-install nvidia |
| 15:52.55 | x_link | File or directory does not exist |
| 15:53.03 | Braindead | !tell Crysis about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 15:53.06 | jeanre | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.09 | jeanre | cho "et.x86 0 0 direct" > /proc/asound/card0/pcm0p/oss |
| 15:53.10 | jeanre | works! |
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| 15:53.23 | Crysis | Braindead backported is stock or custom kernel ? |
| 15:53.30 | Braindead | !tell Crysis about nvidia one-liner |
| 15:53.40 | GoAuLd | jeanre what it does? |
| 15:53.40 | valdyn | x_link: does /proc exist? |
| 15:53.50 | lunitik | jeanre: meh... like I said... too old to support ALSA :/ |
| 15:53.53 | x_link | Just type /proc in Home ? |
| 15:54.01 | lunitik | jeanre: cool that its fixed though... google is awesome |
| 15:54.02 | pelzi_ | ET is old you know |
| 15:54.02 | valdyn | x_link: ls -ld /proc |
| 15:54.06 | x_link | valdyn: Yes |
| 15:54.12 | pelzi_ | I played it many years ago. |
| 15:54.16 | x_link | I wrote /proc in home, and it has alot of folders in it. |
| 15:54.23 | lunitik | pelzi_: never played it... |
| 15:54.28 | Crysis | Braindead I use:apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 ? |
| 15:54.36 | valdyn | x_link: ok thanks |
| 15:54.39 | x_link | Np. |
| 15:54.44 | x_link | Thank you |
| 15:54.49 | valdyn | x_link: run alsaconf please and paste the new output of lsmod |
| 15:54.49 | pelzi_ | lunitik: well, I quit playing anything ages ago, if I know about it must be old ;) |
| 15:54.54 | x_link | Okey |
| 15:55.21 | lunitik | pelzi_: hah... I don't have the attn span to play anything but sports games really :/ |
| 15:55.24 | Braindead | Crysis: " Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources>" |
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| 15:55.45 | Crysis | Braindead I have a non-free source or a contrib me ? |
| 15:55.50 | pelzi_ | lunitik: I just find gaming boring. I'm not young enough anymore |
| 15:56.54 | lunitik | pelzi_: age has nothing to do with it... I've seen 50 year olds engulfed in games... |
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| 15:57.06 | pelzi_ | they're internally young |
| 15:57.17 | pelzi_ | I'm an old fart. |
| 15:57.32 | Crysis | pelzi_: can you help me for install my nvidia card witmy backported debian ? please |
| 15:57.41 | x_link | valdyn: http://pastebin.ca/206787 |
| 15:57.45 | x_link | There you go my friend. |
| 15:57.47 | Braindead | yeah old fart help the whippersnapper out |
| 15:57.52 | pelzi_ | Crysis: no idea, I haven't even seen an nvidia for a loong time |
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| 15:58.08 | Crysis | ok pelzi_ |
| 15:58.13 | pelzi_ | google should know. |
| 15:58.16 | Crissi | hm.. debian.org seems down... |
| 15:58.17 | Crysis | Braindead can you help me please ? :( |
| 15:58.20 | lunitik | pelzi_: you've told yourself "I'm too old for this" enough to be convinced... that's retarded to me... |
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| 15:58.35 | g333k | hi, I have problems to connect to a windowze box with real vnc server, the error says about the incompatibility between version 3.3 and 4 |
| 15:58.37 | pelzi_ | lunitik: or I just prefer doing other things |
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| 15:59.02 | Braindead | g333k: the error message is quite self-explainatory |
| 15:59.10 | lunitik | pelzi_: not finding it fun... enjoying other things... fine... just don't say its due to your age :) |
| 15:59.24 | lunitik | pelzi_: thinking you're old just ages you faster |
| 15:59.37 | pelzi_ | lunitik: I think it is. people change over time. it's not the number, it's how you feel. |
| 15:59.38 | g333k | Braindead, I mean,... is there a vnc client compatible with the last version of vnc? (v4) |
| 16:00.11 | lunitik | pelzi_: if I ever start saying I can't do things because I'm too old... I'm going to kill myself |
| 16:00.19 | abrotman | yay! |
| 16:00.21 | pelzi_ | lunitik: how old are you :P |
| 16:00.24 | Braindead | g333k: xvnc4viewer ? |
| 16:00.31 | lunitik | abrotman: I resent that! |
| 16:00.40 | lunitik | pelzi_: young |
| 16:00.47 | abrotman | wrong 'r' word |
| 16:00.52 | lunitik | pelzi_: 22 currently... until March |
| 16:01.06 | valdyn | x_link: thats one pretty obscure bug in alsa, i guess your solution to run alsaconf will have to do till alsa gets fixed |
| 16:01.08 | abrotman | young'un |
| 16:01.10 | pelzi_ | well, then you are 6 years older than me. |
| 16:01.12 | grendelson | What is pycentral? It seems to be the common thread in every post/pre installation script failing! |
| 16:01.15 | Crysis | Braindead I checked non-free but in my source.list the two end lines are main contrib non-free :/ |
| 16:01.28 | d0uglas | is this headed for an a/s/l check? |
| 16:01.33 | valdyn | x_link: alsaconf just reloads the drivers and things work |
| 16:01.36 | d0uglas | because i'm not ready for that |
| 16:01.39 | grendelson | python-uno was failing on prerm script and now reportbug is failing on postrem script. Same line sin pyceltral! |
| 16:01.40 | Braindead | Crysis: put your sources.list and your uname -a output on nopaste |
| 16:01.41 | Braindead | !paste |
| 16:01.42 | dpkg | i guess paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 16:01.52 | cydork | grendelson: did you check bts?? |
| 16:02.02 | x_link | valdyn: Okey, so what should/can I do about that? |
| 16:02.04 | lunitik | abrotman: dictionary.com disagrees "To feel indignantly aggrieved at." "be angry about" etc |
| 16:02.09 | Crysis | Braindead I have not firefox on my debian :/ |
| 16:02.18 | pelzi_ | still, even though I'm young in a general sense I feel old as hell (because other people of my age seem to be rather different) |
| 16:02.21 | abrotman | lunitik: i meant that i wished you'd have used another 'r' word :) |
| 16:02.26 | lunitik | (actually, I'm not sure thats dictionary.com ... answers.com dictionary) |
| 16:02.26 | grendelson | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?pkg=pycentral;dist=testing <-- nothing listed! is pycentral a tool of another pacakge? |
| 16:02.38 | lunitik | abrotman: I'm slow... which one? |
| 16:02.46 | abrotman | resemble :) |
| 16:02.53 | x_link | Can somebody tell me why it laggs this MUCh when I watch movies on this Debian machine ? I had Windows XP installed on this machine before and I could watch movies without any problems at all. |
| 16:03.05 | pelzi_ | x_link: xvinfo |
| 16:03.08 | lunitik | abrotman: I do that on purpose sometimes as a funny... grrr |
| 16:03.13 | pelzi_ | x_link: does Xv work? |
| 16:03.13 | abrotman | i know :) |
| 16:03.25 | Braindead | Crysis: if you don't have a browser nvidia proprietary drivers are the last of your worries. use nv free driver meanwhile |
| 16:03.32 | x_link | X-Video Extension version 2.2 |
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| 16:03.32 | x_link | screen #0 no adaptors present |
| 16:03.37 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 16:03.43 | x_link | pelzi_: Does it work ? |
| 16:03.47 | pelzi_ | nope- |
| 16:03.51 | pelzi_ | which video card |
| 16:03.52 | x_link | I use Movie Player to watch movies with. |
| 16:04.10 | x_link | A shitty one =) Nivida Riva 16MB, this is just a Intel P II 450Mhz, 640MB RAM. |
| 16:04.12 | ofer1 | x_link, suprising |
| 16:04.16 | Crysis | Braindead I cant they dont reconize my kernel |
| 16:04.32 | x_link | ofer1: But I could watch movies on Windows perfectly. |
| 16:04.32 | pelzi_ | x_link: do you have a driver for it or are you using some generic thing |
| 16:04.43 | x_link | pelzi_: hrmm don't know =/ |
| 16:04.43 | Braindead | Crysis: use vesa driver then,then fix things up |
| 16:04.51 | x_link | I will be back very soon |
| 16:04.52 | x_link | 5 minutes. |
| 16:04.57 | d0uglas | 5 minutes?! |
| 16:05.04 | x_link | maybe 10 |
| 16:05.06 | x_link | hehe |
| 16:05.08 | x_link | brb |
| 16:05.44 | Crysis | Braindead I can show youmy source.list now I writed it is it utile? |
| 16:05.53 | d0uglas | it's okay as long as they call it "windoze" |
| 16:06.15 | cydork | grendelson: check for python-central |
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| 16:06.29 | lunitik | d0uglas: people say it about other distro's too... its annoying... because its entirely irrelevant to anything |
| 16:06.39 | g333k | Braindead, now I have "not matching security types" |
| 16:06.57 | pelzi_ | well... if it worked in something else it should be possible |
| 16:07.23 | lunitik | pelzi_: still irrelevant ... |
| 16:07.26 | g333k | I think the question is, is there a vnc viewer compatible with Real VNC v 4.1.6 ??? |
| 16:07.58 | grendelson | cydork, AHAH python-central has a bunch of info about this - apparently fixed in incoming... need to get some unstable apps to fix this! |
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| 16:08.10 | Braindead | Crysis: I still don't know if you've got XFree or Xorg up and running,you're absolutely vague,you describe where your solutions stop instead of the problem you're trying to solve. I repeat: if you've got no browser you're able to use to paste logs and Search The Fine Web getting proprietary nvidia drivers is the last of your problems |
| 16:08.34 | grendelson | cydork, DARN the version its fixed in is the version I'm running ! Drats:-( |
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| 16:09.09 | Crysis | Braindead I have not Xfree or Xorg but I copied my source.list take a look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4088 |
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| 16:10.24 | Braindead | Crysis: you haven't got xorg or xfree. so no need for proprietary nvidia drivers. problem solved |
| 16:10.40 | pelzi_ | lunitik: why? |
| 16:10.49 | wols | lunitik: defendant or witness? |
| 16:10.59 | lunitik | wols: former |
| 16:11.07 | wols | ouch. then I wish you luck |
| 16:11.16 | g333k | Hi, is there a vnc viewer compatible with Real VNC v 4.1.6 ??? |
| 16:11.16 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 16:11.18 | Crysis | Braindead the nvidia drivers cannot install because that dont reconize my kernel... |
| 16:11.20 | lunitik | pelzi_: loitering and drunk... 2 violations of my probation... so kinda sorta worried :/ |
| 16:11.33 | pelzi_ | nice. |
| 16:11.43 | Charminthemoose | is doing a dist upgrade from sarge -> etch difficult? |
| 16:11.45 | wols | Crysis: youneed to build your own module |
| 16:11.45 | d0uglas | g333k: xvncviewer, yo |
| 16:11.45 | pelzi_ | well, try to stay calm. |
| 16:11.57 | Crysis | wols and how can I do that ? |
| 16:12.04 | pelzi_ | court sucks. :S |
| 16:12.07 | Braindead | Crysis: start configuring XFree with nv driver,then you'll work on |
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| 16:12.19 | d0uglas | g333k: ask again in 10 minutes, you might get a different answer |
| 16:12.25 | g333k | lol |
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| 16:13.03 | pelzi_ | well... it can't be helped |
| 16:13.03 | wols | !tell Crysis about nvidia one-liner |
| 16:13.04 | d0uglas | if not you can always go to #windoze |
| 16:13.08 | g333k | d0uglas, I tried xvnc4viewer and didnt work |
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| 16:13.49 | Braindead | wols: he's got kernel backports. and a big mess around,I can tell |
| 16:13.58 | Crysis | wols so I edit first my source.list with non-free and after I do the line of command isnt it ? |
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| 16:14.28 | wols | yes |
| 16:14.50 | wols | Crysis: but you better have the kernel headers FOR THE KERNEL YOU'RE RUNNING |
| 16:14.56 | wols | if not, you don't even need to start |
| 16:14.56 | grendelson | It appears there may be a python symlink issue. When I run "pyversions -r 'current'" I get pythonin/python2.4 instead of python2.4! |
| 16:15.01 | grendelson | Any help? |
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| 16:15.12 | d0uglas | g333k: http://www.realvnc.com/cgi-bin/download.cgi, there's a 4.1.2 version for linux, comes in gz and rpm |
| 16:15.19 | grendelson | I have /usr/bin/python as symlink to /usr/bin/python2.4 |
| 16:15.26 | wols | g333k: use the tgz |
| 16:15.38 | ofer1 | use tightvnc |
| 16:15.39 | grendelson | THat seems to be the recommended way (as opposed to a link to /etc/alternatives/ |
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| 16:17.19 | grendal_prime | what would be a good app to view disk utilization? |
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| 16:17.28 | pelzi_ | df -h |
| 16:17.31 | grendal_prime | something that would be included in all linux distros |
| 16:17.32 | pelzi_ | du |
| 16:17.44 | grendal_prime | is it live? |
| 16:17.44 | pjz | anyone else having problems getting to bugs.debian.org ? |
| 16:17.48 | jelly | !beryl |
| 16:17.49 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://beryl-project.org/ or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 16:17.59 | Crysis | wols that say that cant find the packages, cant find my package headers |
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| 16:18.06 | g333k | d0uglas, wols, I dont like installing programs if they are not in deb pkg |
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| 16:18.46 | d0uglas | g333k: i feel your pain.. consider using alien |
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| 16:19.18 | d0uglas | g333k: i mean, this isn't gentoo for chrissakes! |
| 16:19.42 | g333k | d0uglas, because afte there is no way to unisntalll that |
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| 16:20.15 | rapt501 | hi |
| 16:20.16 | Braindead | g333k: rtfm && stfw http://www.realvnc.com/faq.html#freetoent |
| 16:20.27 | d0uglas | g333k: if alien doesn't work you might want to install redhat or fedora and then you can rpm -i the rpm |
| 16:20.47 | d0uglas | though i might have that syntax wrong |
| 16:21.13 | Crysis | Braindead non-free & one-liner say that cant find the packages, cant find my package headers |
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| 16:22.03 | wols | Crysis: then you need another kernel |
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| 16:22.30 | JerJer[mobile] | how do i actually/totally remove software? apt-get remove foo just seems to remove it from the apt db |
| 16:22.37 | Crysis | wols I have a backported kernel with another kernel my core 2 duo etc dont work.. I tryed with etch and that dont work so I us backported :/ |
| 16:22.56 | pelzi_ | apt-get --purge remoce |
| 16:22.59 | pelzi_ | dpkg --purge |
| 16:23.09 | Crysis | for me ? |
| 16:23.13 | pelzi_ | no |
| 16:23.15 | Crysis | k |
| 16:23.17 | JerJer[mobile] | pelzi_: both or just one? |
| 16:23.25 | pelzi_ | either works. |
| 16:23.31 | JerJer[mobile] | ahh ok - thank you |
| 16:23.35 | g333k | d0uglas, Are you insane? Only insane people recommend someone to change Debian..... :p |
| 16:23.51 | g333k | I rather use tight vnc |
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| 16:25.33 | d0uglas | g333k: well if alien doesn't work and there's no .deb and you don't want to go through the hassle of messing with these insane tgz thingies, what other option is there? be realistic, man! |
| 16:26.09 | Bhavesh | howdy |
| 16:26.15 | Bhavesh | i think i will get some food |
| 16:26.18 | g333k | d0uglas, take it easy buddy |
| 16:26.20 | Crysis | wols ? |
| 16:26.28 | d0uglas | g333k: all right, i'm cool.. |
| 16:26.38 | |garo| | What should I get after the reboot when I install etch with grub in expert-mode ? |
| 16:26.57 | JerJer[mobile] | has anyone recently made nvidida stuff work? i absolutely cannot get anything to show up on the DVI port |
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| 16:27.16 | |garo| | A not-configured grub, a configured grub, menu's with configuration questions or something else ? |
| 16:27.55 | JerJer[mobile] | but my older version of debian (maybe sid) works perfectly fine |
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| 16:28.42 | wols | Crysis: then compile your own kernel. Either you get kernel headers for your kernel or no nvidia for you. Your choice |
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| 16:29.15 | Crysis | wols is it difficult to compile my own kernel ? |
| 16:29.21 | Braindead | AAAAAAAH NO WAY |
| 16:29.31 | wols | Braindead: it's always sunday... |
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| 16:29.37 | Crysis | XD |
| 16:29.39 | Braindead | Crysis: give us the output uname -a |
| 16:29.41 | wols | Crysis: depends how much you know or willing to learn |
| 16:29.51 | wols | Braindead: he already did. 2.6.18 SMP |
| 16:29.55 | Braindead | wols: easy tiger. he's just messing with backports,that's it |
| 16:30.04 | Crysis | Braindead Linux debian 2.6.18-1-686 #1 SMP Sun OCT 04:02:31 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 16:30.22 | wols | Crysis: what exactly "doesn't work" with other kernels? |
| 16:30.27 | Braindead | that's not a backport.... |
| 16:30.36 | Braindead | as in "from backports.org" |
| 16:30.49 | d0uglas | thank god for "quote marks" |
| 16:30.54 | Braindead | they backport from testing,so .17 at best |
| 16:31.11 | Crysis | Braindead that is http://mirror.home-dn.net//d-i/ |
| 16:31.29 | Crysis | wols when I try to install etch that is slow?? 45 mins for launch the partition tool |
| 16:31.30 | Braindead | zomg /o\ |
| 16:31.50 | Crysis | lol Braindead take a look at what i have writen for wols |
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| 16:32.55 | rapt501 | hi |
| 16:33.03 | d0uglas | Crysis: i've been hanging on the partition formatting for about 2 hours now and it's only 33% done (though i did have an apparent total hard drive failure).. maybe it'd go faster if i went with reiserfs |
| 16:33.09 | grendal_prime | pelzi_, im looking for something that that will show me read and writes and statistics |
| 16:33.42 | Braindead | grendal_prime: vmstat , iostat |
| 16:33.47 | Crysis | d0uglas yes but with this that take 2 minuts |
| 16:34.04 | Crysis | and d0uglas if I wait to install ETCH that is a drive failure |
| 16:34.15 | Crysis | d0uglas i have a core 2 duo |
| 16:34.32 | d0uglas | core 2 duo? that sounds pretty badass |
| 16:34.49 | rapt501 | hello |
| 16:34.52 | Crysis | XD d0uglas new CPUs of intel |
| 16:34.57 | d0uglas | even though it doesn't sound like some kind of metal alloy |
| 16:35.00 | rapt501 | can anyone help me work my printer |
| 16:35.11 | d0uglas | rapt501: just ask the question |
| 16:35.13 | Ox0F0-0FF | Here in brasil, we got tons of pirated dvd's, it's a common thing.... the funniest is that the pirated dvds work fine, the originals often get stuck because of "territorial limitations".... An other way to say it is that this industry will never understand nothing, locking all their shit to limit.... well, in the end..... sales. |
| 16:35.20 | rapt501 | i installed the driver |
| 16:35.25 | rapt501 | but i can't seem to print anything |
| 16:35.54 | d0uglas | 0x0f0.. that's The Man for you.. |
| 16:36.12 | pelzi_ | the reason I boycott american culture. |
| 16:36.21 | pelzi_ | not a big loss anyway |
| 16:36.27 | |garo| | What should I get after the reboot when I install etch with grub as bootloader in expert-mode ? |
| 16:36.33 | |garo| | A not-configured grub, a configured grub, menu's with configuration questions or something else ? |
| 16:36.37 | pelzi_ | a damn grub |
| 16:36.38 | Ox0F0-0FF | pelzi_, It's not a problem of american culture.... it's a problem of stupidity |
| 16:36.54 | pelzi_ | it's a problem of the companies producing american mass culture. |
| 16:36.55 | azeem | |garo|: why do you install in expert mode? |
| 16:37.05 | Ox0F0-0FF | It's like the same industry that refuses the sales over internet... |
| 16:37.06 | Crysis | wols, Braindead how can I do ? |
| 16:37.16 | Ox0F0-0FF | the bad and dirty mp3... |
| 16:37.17 | |garo| | azeem: because someone else started the installation |
| 16:37.20 | d0uglas | azeem: you went Colombo on his ass, figuring out that he was using expert mode.. nice |
| 16:37.28 | azeem | d0uglas: huh? |
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| 16:37.40 | d0uglas | nice deduction |
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| 16:37.55 | azeem | he said he had been doing an expert mode install |
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| 16:38.09 | d0uglas | like whenever i ask, why does apt get say such and such is broken, and people nail me with the perfunctory why are you using sid question |
| 16:38.23 | d0uglas | oh |
| 16:38.24 | azeem | d0uglas: oh, you're just trolling? |
| 16:38.30 | |garo| | i remember that in sarge you get menus with config questions after reboot |
| 16:38.41 | d0uglas | yeah |
| 16:38.50 | azeem | |garo|: those are gone in etch |
| 16:38.55 | |garo| | but now (in etch) i get a not configured grub |
| 16:38.57 | sandman_ | Is there some kind of caching service available for gnome such that my searches run faster? |
| 16:39.13 | Braindead | Crysis: get a 2.6.17 installed from backports.org and keep on working with m-a on that |
| 16:39.14 | pelzi_ | what searches |
| 16:39.38 | Braindead | sandman: beagle,but it's kinda overkill depending on what you're asking for |
| 16:39.40 | |garo| | i was just wondering if it is a bug, a mistake that i made or wanted behaviour |
| 16:39.46 | Crysis | Braindead so I need to reinstall my debian ? |
| 16:39.53 | azeem | |garo|: what do you mean with a not configured grub? |
| 16:39.58 | sandman | Braindead: Well, it took me about 8 hours to search for all PNG files on my filesystem |
| 16:40.01 | Braindead | Crysis: just install the kernel |
| 16:40.13 | sandman | This is on a system with 1024MB memory and a 2.2GHz CPU |
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| 16:40.15 | Crysis | ok Braindead do you have a tutorial for that please ? |
| 16:40.43 | |garo| | azeem: i get the same screen that i get when i remove my grubconfig |
| 16:40.58 | azeem | remove your grubconfig? |
| 16:41.02 | d0uglas | sandman time to upgrade from using a magnetic tape drive |
| 16:41.15 | pelzi_ | sandman: use locate |
| 16:41.18 | azeem | |garo|: well, boot a live CD, chroot and try update-grub |
| 16:41.20 | |garo| | the grub commandline ( grub> ) with some info above it |
| 16:41.20 | azeem | roughly |
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| 16:41.30 | Braindead | Crysis: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions and install linux-2.6 |
| 16:41.36 | sandman | Well, find / -name *.png runs faster |
| 16:41.44 | sandman | But the GNOME Search utility takes quite a bit longer. |
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| 16:41.54 | earthian | hello |
| 16:41.56 | pelzi_ | sounds like a gnome bug / feature. (what a surprise) |
| 16:42.04 | earthian | could somebody help me write a sh script? :) |
| 16:42.09 | sandman | Does locate support displaying filesizes? |
| 16:42.13 | earthian | that would toggle my fan on and off |
| 16:42.14 | pelzi_ | ask, don't ask to ask |
| 16:42.15 | |garo| | azeem: it's not that i cannot fix it, i was just wondering if i made a mistake |
| 16:42.25 | Braindead | earthian: #bash could also help you out |
| 16:42.27 | azeem | |garo|: well, it's obviously not supposed to happen |
| 16:42.36 | earthian | oh ok. thanks, Braindead |
| 16:42.37 | azeem | no idea what could go wrong in expert mode |
| 16:43.17 | d0uglas | earthian: plenty of tools on apt-cache search acpi |
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| 16:43.36 | pelzi_ | why do you want to turn the fan off |
| 16:43.37 | earthian | no i am using stuff in /sys/ |
| 16:43.51 | pelzi_ | and tell us about your system |
| 16:43.53 | stv | just for the records: my problem specifying the default date output format for the DBD::Sybase driver (program "dbishell") is solved: a file /etc/freetds/locales.conf needs to be created with the following contents: |
| 16:43.54 | stv | [default] |
| 16:43.54 | stv | date format = %Y-%m-%d :%M:%S |
| 16:43.57 | earthian | i already have a not working script that shows me syntax errors :D |
| 16:44.07 | pelzi_ | pastebin it |
| 16:44.20 | earthian | !pastebin |
| 16:44.21 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
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| 16:44.47 | Crysis | Braindead deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free is already on sources.list |
| 16:44.58 | hardlined | anybody got a good recommedation for a 8 port sata raid controller? |
| 16:45.08 | grendal_prime | its on a cifs server as well. |
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| 16:45.11 | sepski | hardlined, 3ware |
| 16:45.21 | pelzi_ | hardlined: no idea, raid controllers tend to be pita. |
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| 16:45.34 | pelzi_ | all the manufacturers tend to be as idiotic as intel |
| 16:45.42 | pelzi_ | or broadcom |
| 16:45.48 | hardlined | yeah =\ |
| 16:45.51 | Braindead | Crysis: yeah but still you're using the 2.6.18 kernel from the custom installer. no backports,no headers package unless you get them from sid/unstable. m-i just can't work in such conditions |
| 16:45.56 | wols | pelzi_: 3ware? |
| 16:46.08 | JohnGH | Does anyone know of a scheduler like 'at' that has finer granularity - i.e. you can specify the seconds, not just the minute that a job should run? (or a tool that you can launch from at to say "and x seconds" after the minute? or should I just use a sleep? |
| 16:46.09 | pelzi_ | 3ware is the worst |
| 16:46.11 | Pryon | aren't they called something else now? |
| 16:46.25 | hardlined | 3ware seems to be the most popular |
| 16:46.29 | wols | pelzi_: why? drivers are in kernel |
| 16:46.30 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 16:46.38 | sepski | hardlined, 3ware have had drivers for the 8xxx series in the kernel since 2.2 |
| 16:46.44 | pelzi_ | well 3ware still is not very oss firendly |
| 16:46.45 | earthian | http://pastebin.it/2107 |
| 16:46.58 | pelzi_ | get one that is known to work. |
| 16:46.59 | sepski | 9xxx series since they came out in the 2.6.10ish or about there. |
| 16:47.11 | hardlined | can't be worse than the software raid I am using now |
| 16:47.21 | pelzi_ | software raid is not that bad |
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| 16:47.41 | wols | hardlined: usually software raid is best thow |
| 16:47.47 | sepski | hardlined, linux kernel software raid is pretty good. it's the very best of the software raid solutions |
| 16:47.59 | wols | for the money you have to spend, raid is rarely cost effective imho |
| 16:48.00 | pelzi_ | yep. maybe not fastest, but least problematic |
| 16:48.09 | Crysis | Braindead I have runned mutt now what I do for install the new kernel ? |
| 16:48.18 | Braindead | aaaaaaaah |
| 16:48.27 | Braindead | /o/ |
| 16:48.30 | Crysis | what ? |
| 16:48.35 | wols | Crysis: what gas mutt to do with a kernel? |
| 16:48.40 | Braindead | I'm off. sorry. ask wols |
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| 16:48.42 | wols | Crysis: he begs for someone to shoot him |
| 16:48.47 | Braindead | wols: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 16:48.50 | Crysis | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions Braindead said me that... |
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| 16:49.12 | Braindead | I told you 18:41 < Braindead> Crysis: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions and install linux-2.6 |
| 16:49.17 | Crysis | Braindead what I do now ? :/ |
| 16:49.24 | Braindead | 18:45 < Braindead> Crysis: yeah but still you're using the 2.6.18 kernel from the custom installer. no backports,no headers package unless you get them from sid/unstable. m-i just can't work in such conditions |
| 16:49.29 | wols | Crysis: you read but didn't THINK |
| 16:49.45 | Crysis | I am new IN linux... how can I install 2.6 now |
| 16:49.45 | Braindead | wols: it's all yours,enjoy :) |
| 16:50.13 | wols | Crysis: in his paste above, he told you what to do |
| 16:50.28 | Crysis | wols I did the instructiond |
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| 16:51.03 | wols | Crysis: you followed instruction like a dumb sheep: without a hint of understanding. you don't want to install mutt, you want to install kernel-2.6 |
| 16:51.11 | wols | reread the instruction again and keep that in mind |
| 16:52.06 | Crysis | wols I have reread but what I need to do... Its my first day on linux... I do apt-get install kernel-2.6 ? |
| 16:52.12 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 16:52.22 | JordiGH | Crap. I get so much Japanese spam through the Debian mailing lists. :-) |
| 16:52.42 | pelzi_ | get a spam filter. |
| 16:52.49 | wols | Crysis: you need to do more than that |
| 16:53.01 | pelzi_ | or kick someone until the lists are subscriber-only |
| 16:53.08 | wols | the part about elevating the priority for that package, step 3 |
| 16:53.10 | JordiGH | Oh, no, no, apologies. The Land of the Rising Sun has found my gmail address, never mind. |
| 16:53.31 | Crysis | wols i replace mutt with kernel-2.6 ? |
| 16:53.37 | pelzi_ | YES. |
| 16:54.35 | JordiGH | Holy crap. I think I'm also getting spam in Canadian syllabics. Now, that's just bloody cool. I wonder who wants to spam the Inuit. (My OTishness ceases NOW!) |
| 16:55.04 | pelzi_ | the Japanese can't even send spam I can read |
| 16:55.07 | Crysis | wols done and now ? apt-get install kernel-2.6 dont find the package |
| 16:55.21 | pelzi_ | about 5% of the messages have proper encoding specified |
| 16:56.08 | wols | Crysis: apt-cache policy kernel-2.6 |
| 16:56.08 | wols | paste output |
| 16:56.34 | Crysis | wols Cannot find the package kernel-2.6 |
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| 16:56.54 | GrimWald | apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 ? |
| 16:57.03 | wols | GrimWald: thanks |
| 16:57.16 | Crysis | wols that find a lot |
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| 16:58.03 | Braindead | Crysis: which part of "linux-2.6" you didn't get? |
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| 16:58.23 | Crysis | Braindead no I didnt |
| 16:58.37 | thouters | hi, I |
| 16:59.13 | wols | then redo all for kernel-image-2.6 then |
| 16:59.54 | thouters | hi, I'd like to download a base tarball for testing, update the thing on my machine in a chroot and then transfer it to a pentium 1, but I only find a woody base tarball |
| 16:59.55 | Braindead | those are backports from etch,no more "kernel" images but "LINUX" images |
| 17:00.27 | Braindead | thouters: debootstrap ? |
| 17:00.33 | wols | thouters: get a netinstaller |
| 17:00.37 | thouters | Braindead: thanks |
| 17:01.02 | d0uglas | thouters: debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 17:01.40 | Crysis | wols that say I need to select a packet to install |
| 17:01.43 | GrimWald | linux-image and kernel-image doesn't depend on etch at all, just on the version of the kernel you wanna install |
| 17:02.12 | Braindead | GrimWald: have you got any clue about the kind of mess Crysis is into? |
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| 17:02.48 | thouters | d0uglas: i'd do the partitioning, filesystem making etc by hand, i'd only need a base system tarball |
| 17:02.49 | wols | GrimWald: 2.6.18 |
| 17:02.55 | GrimWald | i just came back home, didn't take the time to read |
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| 17:03.15 | wols | thouters: then use the woody one if you insist and dist-upgrade |
| 17:03.19 | GrimWald | so it's linux-image-2.6.18-1-686 for example |
| 17:03.23 | thouters | wols: good idea |
| 17:03.56 | ShredZ | How do I create the initrd file if I remove say the -486 kernel after installing a k7 one ? |
| 17:04.10 | pelzi_ | umm? |
| 17:04.21 | pelzi_ | they have separate initrds |
| 17:04.21 | azeem | ShredZ: that should happen automatically |
| 17:04.23 | sepski | Shadur, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-version |
| 17:04.36 | sepski | and yes it shoudl happpen automagicaly if you install a debian package kernel |
| 17:04.53 | ShredZ | azeem, last time I did this the system wouldn't boot anymore until I manually recreated the initrd but I forgot how I did that :/ |
| 17:04.55 | Bhavesh | back |
| 17:05.08 | pelzi_ | update-initramfs |
| 17:05.15 | Braindead | GrimWald: he's got 2.6.18 from the custom installer he used. no sources for the kernel headers,hence module-assistant is in trouble |
| 17:05.47 | GrimWald | and he wants to get the kernel headers ? |
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| 17:06.00 | pelzi_ | to build the nvidia driver, yes |
| 17:06.21 | GrimWald | so it's linux-headers-2.6.18-etc... |
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| 17:07.01 | GrimWald | (get the end with uname -r) |
| 17:07.12 | Braindead | GrimWald: so there's no headers module-assistant/whatever can fetch,considering he's got sarge+backports sources |
| 17:07.33 | JerJer[mobile] | anyone know the magic sauce to make the DVI port work on my nvidia ? after much trouble, i was able to get the nvidia crap installed, but it only wants to run on the CRT port |
| 17:07.41 | d0uglas | i remember back in the day the power button was actually powerful... now, even with the fastest smp processor with the biggest cache, it takes at least five seconds to kick in.. That's progress for you. |
| 17:07.57 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: blame stupid lusers |
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| 17:08.53 | Braindead | d0uglas: please complete your usual utter nonsense with "back in my days we only had $FOO ... AND WE LIKED IT" |
| 17:09.14 | JordiGH | DVI port? |
| 17:09.15 | JordiGH | !dvi |
| 17:09.15 | dpkg | dvi is, like, Digital Visual Interface. DeVice Independant (the output format of TeX) |
| 17:09.23 | d0uglas | nice .. always looking to fine tune my nonsense |
| 17:09.24 | JordiGH | Oh. I only knew about the latter. |
| 17:09.49 | JordiGH | d0uglas: How old are you, pops? |
| 17:10.03 | d0uglas | 25 |
| 17:10.15 | sandman | Anyone here use wallpaper-tray? It appears that right about none of it works. Is there another package that does the same thing (that is, cycles through backgrounds automatically) |
| 17:10.17 | Ronin | a baby ;) |
| 17:10.18 | JordiGH | Shit. That's as old as I am too. And I remember those power buttons too. :-( |
| 17:10.31 | sandman | I've tried gbackground, but it's in spanish so I don't understand it. |
| 17:10.52 | Crysis | wols, Braindead which kernel image I take ? |
| 17:10.53 | GrimWald | Braindead : I think I don't understand the pb (i'm not english), so he can't use module-assistant, thats not a pb to build nv drivers if he installs ther linux-headers |
| 17:11.05 | JerJer[mobile] | i have played with all of the ConnectedMonitor options |
| 17:11.08 | JerJer[mobile] | DFP, CRT |
| 17:11.08 | JordiGH | sandman: This is a GNOME thing, I take it. You want each desktop to have its own background? |
| 17:11.11 | JerJer[mobile] | CRT, DFP |
| 17:11.12 | JerJer[mobile] | etc |
| 17:11.14 | GrimWald | but wtf is he doing with sarge and kernel 2.6.18 ? |
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| 17:11.23 | Braindead | GrimWald: only god knows |
| 17:11.24 | JerJer[mobile] | it worked great in sid |
| 17:11.32 | Crysis | GrimWald my core 2 duo dont work with ETCH... |
| 17:11.33 | JerJer[mobile] | maybe even pre-sid - can't remember |
| 17:12.01 | d0uglas | okay we get it you got a nice fancy cpu |
| 17:12.24 | GrimWald | and so Crysis ? |
| 17:12.25 | JordiGH | !info gbackground |
| 17:12.27 | dpkg | gbackground: (Program to change the gnome background periodically), section gnome, is optional. Version: 1.0-1 (sid), Packaged size: 12 kB, Installed size: 160 kB |
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| 17:12.40 | Crysis | GrimWald what so ? |
| 17:12.42 | GrimWald | kernel >= 2.6.13 don't work on my laptop |
| 17:12.46 | GrimWald | so i run 2.6.8 |
| 17:12.47 | GrimWald | :/ |
| 17:12.52 | JordiGH | Oh, no, you want something else, I see. gbackground is in Spanish? Lemme apt-get it. |
| 17:13.08 | Crysis | GrimWald anyone here said me to install with this kernel so I did |
| 17:13.09 | Crysis | .. |
| 17:13.43 | GrimWald | thats not what id have said, coz i experienced to much pb this way |
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| 17:14.10 | Crysis | GrimWald what can I do so |
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| 17:14.43 | GrimWald | you installed linux-headers ? |
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| 17:15.17 | Crysis | GrimWald maybe but I think no ^^ I'm new |
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| 17:16.14 | grencez | quick question... my home directory is full of junk like application preferences... is there an environment variable that i could change so i could move it? |
| 17:16.14 | GrimWald | type uname -r |
| 17:16.14 | GrimWald | then apt-get install linux-headers-what it uname -r gives |
| 17:16.14 | JordiGH | I'm not sure if I prefer the current update method of getting a bunch of pdiffs or the previous one where you just downloaded the entire list anew each time you updated. |
| 17:16.14 | Crysis | GrimWald 2.6.18-1-686 |
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| 17:16.34 | GrimWald | so linux-headers-2.6.18-1-686 |
| 17:17.10 | Crysis | GrimWald that cannot find it :p this is a d-i backported image |
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| 17:17.45 | Bhavesh | i think pdiffs are good.. smaller download/easier on mirror bandwith? |
| 17:18.05 | GrimWald | you can download it from packages.debian.org |
| 17:18.18 | Crysis | GrimWald: download what ? |
| 17:18.20 | cydork | JordiGH: it depends on how often you upgrade |
| 17:18.28 | GrimWald | the package |
| 17:18.41 | cydork | JordiGH: if you upgrade often pdiffs really usefull |
| 17:18.43 | JordiGH | cydork: Is there a way to force one method over the other? I don't update very frequently. |
| 17:19.03 | cydork | !pdiff |
| 17:19.03 | dpkg | as of apt version 0.6.44, apt now supports "pdiff" support, which allows apt-get update to download diffs of the Pacakges file of the repository instead of downloading the entire Packages file each time. you can disable the use of pdiffs by adding 'Acquire::Pdiffs "false";' to your /etc/apt/apt.conf |
| 17:19.08 | Crysis | GrimWald I think I will stop linux because with my hardware that don't work |
| 17:19.09 | cydork | JordiGH: ^^ |
| 17:19.41 | JordiGH | Oh, dear. Hehehe... the documentation for gbackground is in El Englisho. :P |
| 17:19.42 | GrimWald | no no |
| 17:19.58 | GrimWald | i could be hard the first time, then youll enjoy it, i promise :) |
| 17:20.09 | GrimWald | it* |
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| 17:20.30 | Crysis | GrimWald so what can I do for install my drivers.. |
| 17:20.31 | JordiGH | Thanks, cydork. :-) |
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| 17:21.21 | Crysis | GrimWald is there an official version which will work with my hardware I can install ? I can reinstall debian if it is requiered but I just want that to work with my hardware... |
| 17:21.42 | GrimWald | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/devel/linux-headers-2.6.18-1-686 |
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| 17:21.50 | crochat | Some debmirror users ? |
| 17:21.55 | Crysis | ok GrimWald and I do what with that ? |
| 17:22.04 | JordiGH | Bad documentation is a bug, right? |
| 17:22.13 | GrimWald | you download the package and the depencies required |
| 17:22.21 | GrimWald | then you dpkg -i them all |
| 17:22.22 | zhap | Whenever i enter fullscreen mode in a game (ET, rtcw ...), my dsl modem restarts, any idea why? |
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| 17:22.25 | Crysis | GrimWald I wget tthat ? |
| 17:22.27 | zhap | same happens when i restart X |
| 17:22.39 | pelzi_ | zhap: usb? |
| 17:22.43 | zhap | no |
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| 17:22.44 | zhap | eth |
| 17:22.53 | crochat | If I wanna take a new distribution, will debmirror clean the "old" one from the pool ? |
| 17:22.53 | GrimWald | that's not good, cause youll installed sid packages on sarge, but that's the only way you can get your headers |
| 17:23.06 | GrimWald | you haven't X yet ? |
| 17:23.18 | Crysis | X ? what is that ? I think no |
| 17:23.29 | zinx | zhap: that's possibly the weirdest bug with a dsl modem i've ever heard of |
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| 17:23.41 | GrimWald | a desktop ? gnome,kde,xfce.. |
| 17:23.45 | Crysis | GrimWald is there a official way to make my hardware working with debian ? |
| 17:23.50 | abrotman | wtf is Crysis doing ? |
| 17:24.04 | cydork | abrotman: hehe i was thinkin the same |
| 17:24.04 | Crysis | GrimWald no I havnt I need nvidia drivers for that |
| 17:24.04 | GrimWald | it should work with sarge and a sarge kernel |
| 17:24.21 | Crysis | abrotman I want to install the nvidia drivers but that dont find my kernel :/ |
| 17:24.23 | GrimWald | it doesn't work with vesa or vga drivers ? |
| 17:24.26 | abrotman | !nvidia one-liner |
| 17:24.27 | dpkg | it has been said that nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 17:24.36 | Crysis | abrotman I did that but dont work |
| 17:24.40 | yath_ | hmm. |
| 17:24.44 | yath_ | !? |
| 17:24.47 | cydork | !doesn't work |
| 17:24.48 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:24.57 | Crysis | !shut up |
| 17:24.58 | dpkg | Kiss my shiny metal ass! |
| 17:25.06 | azeem | Crysis: really, we're trying to help |
| 17:25.13 | Crysis | ok |
| 17:25.16 | azeem | you need to report the error messages if you want help |
| 17:25.23 | abrotman | Crysis: uname -a .. show us what it says |
| 17:25.23 | Crysis | I reported ! |
| 17:25.29 | azeem | Crysis: then repeat |
| 17:25.38 | Crysis | 2.6.18-1-686 abrotman |
| 17:25.41 | azeem | if its more than one or two lines, post them to a pastebin |
| 17:25.43 | abrotman | that is NOT uname -a |
| 17:25.50 | Crysis | abrotman know |
| 17:25.55 | Crysis | I know |
| 17:26.12 | abrotman | not what i asked for |
| 17:26.12 | GrimWald | Crysis get the package lynx and go to the URL I said |
| 17:26.20 | GrimWald | (lynx URL) |
| 17:26.27 | GrimWald | then download the package |
| 17:26.35 | Crysis | Linux debian 2.6.18-1-686 #1 SMP Sun OCT 04:02:31 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux for abrotman |
| 17:26.37 | GrimWald | then download the dependencies required |
| 17:26.50 | azeem | is there a reason he cannot use apt-get ? |
| 17:26.56 | GrimWald | and then you install them with dpkg -i command |
| 17:27.16 | GrimWald | he's got sarge and linux-headers can't be find with sarge |
| 17:27.20 | abrotman | azeem: because some people like to make things hard |
| 17:27.30 | abrotman | Crysis: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:27.36 | azeem | GrimWald: did you tell him to install that kernel with dpkg -i or what? |
| 17:27.39 | abrotman | how did he get a sid kernel on sarge ? |
| 17:27.42 | azeem | he somehow must've installed it |
| 17:27.47 | pelzi_ | a custom installer |
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| 17:28.01 | pelzi_ | to get it installed at all on his hw |
| 17:28.03 | zinx | sarge has "kernel-headers" |
| 17:28.16 | GrimWald | abrotman he says some people told him to do that :/ |
| 17:28.21 | Crysis | abrotman command not found libc6, broken pipe with dpkg and exit |
| 17:28.42 | GrimWald | I guess they told him te url and he wgeted it |
| 17:28.49 | abrotman | Crysis: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 17:28.53 | azeem | Crysis: eh, what command did you run? |
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| 17:29.16 | GrimWald | azeem i'm not crazy i wouldn't have told someone to install 1.6.18 with sarge |
| 17:29.17 | GrimWald | :/ |
| 17:29.24 | GrimWald | 2.6.18* |
| 17:29.29 | pelzi_ | he has new hw |
| 17:29.36 | pelzi_ | not much choice |
| 17:29.40 | Crysis | abrotman: ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1.22sa GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 17:29.45 | azeem | he could get a kernel from backports now |
| 17:29.51 | azeem | with the corresponding headers |
| 17:29.53 | abrotman | !sarge 2.6.18 |
| 17:29.53 | dpkg | somebody said sarge 2.6.18 was http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm (See creator's warnings) |
| 17:30.05 | Crysis | yeah i used this |
| 17:30.10 | Crysis | to work with my hardware |
| 17:30.19 | abrotman | what is so weird about your hardware ? |
| 17:30.59 | Crysis | abrotman with etch that dont work it is too slow 45 minuts for LAUNCH the partition tool and after an error for formating... with this it work perfectly and all is instaled in 15 minuts |
| 17:31.11 | abrotman | there's no 2.6.18 at backports.org |
| 17:31.13 | wols | abrotman: core2duo |
| 17:31.13 | azeem | Crysis: dpkg -l | grep linux-image, what is the full version number? |
| 17:31.23 | azeem | Crysis: never mind then |
| 17:31.26 | pelzi_ | he had issues with the mass storage, probably |
| 17:31.38 | abrotman | i doubt the CPU has anything to do with it .. more likely the controller issue in 2.6.17 for the ich7 or whatever it was |
| 17:31.54 | Crysis | maybe i have a asus p5w DH deluxe |
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| 17:32.11 | azeem | Crysis: is this a notebook? |
| 17:32.13 | pelzi_ | probably "core2duo" meant "motherboard that supports core2duo" which means "new" |
| 17:32.14 | wols | abrotman: there is only one (intel) chipset/controller for the core2due: ICH8. that fucks it all up yes |
| 17:32.30 | azeem | Crysis: try noapic as kernel boot option |
| 17:32.35 | Crysis | so azeem ii linux-image-2. 2.6.18bpo1 Linux kernel 2.6 686 |
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| 17:32.42 | wols | and while people rarely know the chipset or ICH, they always know they cpu (was bloody expensive enough) |
| 17:32.43 | azeem | I wonder where that is from |
| 17:32.43 | Crysis | azeem no it is a PC |
| 17:32.50 | Charminthemoose | is it possible to post-partition a parttition with debian installed? |
| 17:32.57 | azeem | Crysis: anyway, I recommend you restart the etch installer and choose the noapic option |
| 17:32.57 | Crysis | wols I know my chipset |
| 17:32.58 | Charminthemoose | ie 2 gigs more for /usr? |
| 17:32.59 | wols | post partition? |
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| 17:33.08 | Charminthemoose | partition AFTER installing debian |
| 17:33.18 | Crysis | azeem what is noapic ? |
| 17:33.19 | wols | Charminthemoose: boot from a live CD, resize disk |
| 17:33.22 | azeem | !noapic |
| 17:33.22 | wols | or partition |
| 17:33.24 | azeem | hrm |
| 17:33.29 | azeem | Crysis: it's a kernel boot option |
| 17:33.38 | pelzi_ | azeem: why not use a non-broken kernel |
| 17:33.39 | azeem | Crysis: at the boot prompt, check the documentaiont |
| 17:33.41 | Crysis | azeem ok I try now :p |
| 17:34.00 | abrotman | !apic |
| 17:34.01 | dpkg | i heard apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 17:34.08 | azeem | pelzi_: a non broken kernel that has no corresponding kernel headers? |
| 17:34.20 | pelzi_ | can't he install a sid kernel... |
| 17:34.29 | azeem | pelzi_: eh, no |
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| 17:34.41 | pelzi_ | what does it depend on |
| 17:34.42 | abrotman | he has one .. roughly |
| 17:34.42 | Crysis | azeem couldnt find kernel image noapic |
| 17:34.48 | abrotman | wow ... |
| 17:34.50 | azeem | Crysis: 19:24 < azeem> Crysis: at the boot prompt, check the documentaiont |
| 17:35.03 | abrotman | he could try the linux-headers package from sid .. but i doubt it will work |
| 17:35.03 | Crysis | azeem with F1 ? |
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| 17:35.12 | azeem | Crysis: uhm, doesn't it tell you? |
| 17:35.15 | azeem | I suppose so |
| 17:35.22 | Crysis | azeem no please what I do ? |
| 17:35.32 | pelzi_ | why not wget the sid kernel and headers and dpkg -i? it has worked for me, etc. |
| 17:35.33 | azeem | Crysis: did you even try F1? |
| 17:35.40 | pelzi_ | or hmm. |
| 17:35.41 | azeem | pelzi_: what about udev? |
| 17:35.41 | Crysis | yes azeem |
| 17:35.47 | pelzi_ | it does have dep issues, true |
| 17:35.48 | azeem | Crysis: and?... |
| 17:35.55 | azeem | pelzi_: so, ther. |
| 17:36.04 | Crysis | azeem nolapic ? |
| 17:36.15 | azeem | Crysis: dude, I don't know the d-i option, OK? |
| 17:36.25 | azeem | please browse through the documentation and try to find it yourself |
| 17:36.31 | Crysis | azeem I try with the ETCH installer as you said |
| 17:36.31 | azeem | if there is none, you're out of luck |
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| 17:36.38 | azeem | Crysis: fine |
| 17:36.41 | cydork | hey guys there is a root exploit released for nvidia driver. just read that on /. |
| 17:36.54 | Crysis | azeem so ? |
| 17:36.59 | azeem | Crysis: 19:27 < azeem> please browse through the documentation and try to find it yourself |
| 17:37.08 | pelzi_ | luckily not many people run the nvidia driver on multiuser box. |
| 17:37.11 | azeem | Crysis: if in doubt, read the etch installation manual |
| 17:37.14 | wols | yes, unsecure proprietary software, imagine that! |
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| 17:37.41 | cydork | wols: :) |
| 17:37.56 | Crysis | azeem noapic and nolapic dont work... |
| 17:38.08 | azeem | Crysis: uhm, did you find the appropriate docu now? |
| 17:38.10 | d0uglas | -1, Sarcasm |
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| 17:38.15 | Crysis | yes azeem |
| 17:38.24 | azeem | Crysis: so what is the error message? |
| 17:38.28 | azeem | !doesn't work |
| 17:38.29 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
| 17:38.31 | Crysis | couldnt find the kernel |
| 17:38.33 | JordiGH | cydork: Link? |
| 17:38.45 | azeem | Crysis: then you probably haven't read the docu properly |
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| 17:38.54 | Crysis | azeem i have : |
| 17:38.59 | azeem | you need to pass it a kernel (probably "linux", followed by the options) |
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| 17:39.09 | cydork | JordiGH: http://kerneltrap.org/node/7228 |
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| 17:39.18 | abrotman | uphill.. both ways .. snow ... |
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| 17:39.45 | Crysis | azeem it isnt writed |
| 17:39.49 | JordiGH | cydork: Thanks for saving me from loading Slashdot. :-) |
| 17:39.51 | azeem | writed? |
| 17:40.02 | Crysis | yes |
| 17:40.28 | azeem | that's not an english word, can you rephrase that sentence, please? |
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| 17:40.48 | Crysis | azeem that is not write on the document it is write noapic nolapic |
| 17:40.52 | d0uglas | yeah your grammar is broked |
| 17:41.02 | JordiGH | Guys, don't pick on grammar. :-( |
| 17:41.15 | azeem | Crysis: there should be *other* documentation which tells you that |
| 17:41.27 | Bhavesh | !paste |
| 17:41.27 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:41.56 | Crysis | Hmm I will stop debian because that dont work.. I will wait till december for my hardware is supported and that is all |
| 17:42.06 | d0uglas | when i badblocks should i set -c to my total physical memory or what's available? |
| 17:42.40 | wols | d0uglas: have you run smartmontools? |
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| 17:42.45 | d0uglas | nope |
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| 17:42.53 | wols | why not? |
| 17:43.01 | JordiGH | Heh. The Wikipedia page on IceWeasel is such a shitstorm. :-) |
| 17:43.15 | d0uglas | hadn't heard of it, i'll give it a whirl now |
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| 17:43.25 | Crysis | azeem do you think in december my hardware will be supported in a official version ? |
| 17:43.29 | wols | d0uglas: long test |
| 17:43.53 | azeem | Crysis: the release candidate won't have 2.6.18 at least |
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| 17:43.59 | abrotman | Crysis: why do you need the nvidia driver? |
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| 17:44.27 | azeem | Crysis: the final etch release is supposed to have 2.6.18, yes |
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| 17:45.20 | Crysis | azeem ok I will wait till that |
| 17:45.26 | Crysis | abrotman for have KDE |
| 17:45.32 | cydork | azeem: but it just reached sid.. i mean is it possible till dec? |
| 17:45.42 | abrotman | Crysis: nvidia has nothing to do with kde ... |
| 17:45.46 | pelzi_ | you don't need the binary driver for kde... |
| 17:45.48 | abrotman | Crysis: lspci | grep VGA .. what does it say ? |
| 17:45.52 | GrimWald | he means, for have X |
| 17:46.02 | pelzi_ | you need the binary driver if you want 3D acceleration. |
| 17:46.03 | abrotman | he doesn't need the nvidia binary crap for X either |
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| 17:46.17 | pelzi_ | if you want to use X, the default one will work fine. |
| 17:46.35 | abrotman | Crysis: "lspci | grep VGA" .. what does it say ? |
| 17:46.40 | azeem | cydork: well, I checked back with some d-i dudes before making that statement |
| 17:46.46 | azeem | cydork: things could still change, of course |
| 17:46.52 | abrotman | no freeze yet! |
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| 17:47.22 | d0uglas | wols: doesn't this smartmon stuff just monitor and report? i'm trying to fix a snafued drive with a boot disk |
| 17:47.30 | cydork | azeem: i mean practically it should freeze next month right? or am i wrong? |
| 17:47.31 | Crysis | abrotman nvidia corp.: unknown device |
| 17:47.43 | abrotman | Crysis: update-pciids .. try again |
| 17:47.45 | wols | d0uglas: read the manpage. it does more. I already said "long test" |
| 17:47.48 | azeem | cydork: I'm not sure how the general freeze is relevant to d-i |
| 17:47.48 | d0uglas | i started smartctl and nothing eventful happened |
| 17:47.49 | d0uglas | ok |
| 17:47.49 | jeanre | Crysis: update-pciids |
| 17:47.54 | jeanre | abrotman: :) |
| 17:47.55 | jeanre | hey |
| 17:48.18 | abrotman | Pounds per Square Inch ? |
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| 17:48.31 | Crysis | abrotman that say now geforce 7600 GS :^) |
| 17:48.34 | stojic | hello, I plan to install Etch on a laptop with AMD Turion 64 x2 cpu. Should I download iso for AMD64 architecture? |
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| 17:48.51 | abrotman | i don't htikn the 'nv' driver supports 7xxx .. but vesa should |
| 17:48.53 | pelzi_ | that depends. |
| 17:48.57 | abrotman | !sarge hardware support |
| 17:49.03 | dpkg | i guess sarge hardware support is reasonable, but not cutting edge. XFree86 does not support nVidia 6-series or 7-series graphics cards or ATI X-series cards, without binary drivers or VESA. There is also little to no support for modern Intel i9x5-ICH6 boards, nor CPU Frequency scaling on Dothan core Pentium-M chips, nor Venice and San Diego core Athlon 64 chips. |
| 17:49.03 | cydork | azeem: oh ok. |
| 17:49.16 | pelzi_ | I would recommend using 32bit at this time. |
| 17:49.21 | x_link | valdyn: Still there ? |
| 17:49.29 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: psionic |
| 17:49.29 | pelzi_ | 64bit still has minor problems and the performance difference is not that great |
| 17:49.31 | abrotman | stojic: if you have no need for OO or flash .. 64bit is fine |
| 17:49.39 | Crysis | abrotman now I can install KDE ? |
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| 17:49.45 | x_link | Sorry, I had to do something. |
| 17:49.59 | stojic | pelzi_, abrotman: ok, thanks for the info, will stay with i386 for now then |
| 17:50.08 | abrotman | Crysis: try the vesa driver .. should work |
| 17:50.34 | Crysis | abrotman and where can i get the vesa driver ? |
| 17:50.40 | abrotman | !drxx Crysis |
| 17:50.41 | dpkg | Crysis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 17:50.41 | pelzi_ | it is in there by default |
| 17:50.47 | abrotman | choose 800x600 and 16bit |
| 17:51.04 | Priest-of-Psi | Crysis: Why run xfree86? and not xorg? |
| 17:51.13 | Crysis | because :p |
| 17:51.19 | Priest-of-Psi | oh oh sarge does not have xorg? |
| 17:51.23 | abrotman | Priest-of-Psi: he's on sarge . don't confuse things |
| 17:51.28 | Ronin | Priest-of-Psi: no it doesnt |
| 17:51.38 | Priest-of-Psi | ah |
| 17:51.44 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: sorry |
| 17:51.56 | pelzi_ | ignore him ;) |
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| 17:52.33 | Crysis | abrotman how can I uninstall and reinstall w-window-system ? Because i tryed to install it |
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| 17:52.33 | JordiGH | W-window? |
| 17:52.39 | pelzi_ | dpkg --purge x-window-system |
| 17:52.39 | Priest-of-Psi | x-window |
| 17:52.41 | cureless | it's the next version of x |
| 17:52.41 | Crysis | X |
| 17:52.53 | azeem | cureless: it was the previous version to x |
| 17:53.07 | JordiGH | cureless: I've always wondered if X would ever become Y. |
| 17:53.10 | Crysis | pelzi_ that say it is not installed |
| 17:53.13 | cureless | azeem: don't you know they go backwards? otherwise it would imply we're almost at the end |
| 17:53.22 | azeem | cureless: no, they don't |
| 17:53.31 | d0uglas | damn.. smartctl: Drive failure expected in less than 24 hours... FAILING_NOW.. what a buzzkill |
| 17:53.34 | pelzi_ | Crysis: what exactly do you have installed now |
| 17:53.57 | Crysis | apt-get install x-window-system-core I did that pelzi_ but I want to uninstall that and reinstall |
| 17:54.06 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: learn to run smartctl before it bombs |
| 17:54.18 | d0uglas | i'm manning, i'm manning |
| 17:54.22 | pelzi_ | Crysis: find out what x-window-system-core depends on, remove that. |
| 17:54.45 | Crysis | pelzi_ how can I find out that ? |
| 17:54.52 | JordiGH | Hm, OpenBSD complains that Apache isn't free, but I've never heard that from Debian. |
| 17:54.58 | pelzi_ | apt-cache show x-window-system-core | grep Depends |
| 17:55.07 | valdyn | JordiGH: 'complains' ? |
| 17:55.15 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: *BSD and Debian have different views of "free" |
| 17:55.16 | azeem | cureless: why do you want to reinstall? |
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| 17:55.24 | azeem | eh, s/cureless/Crysis/ |
| 17:55.29 | cureless | azeem: because I'm happy with my system :-) |
| 17:55.32 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: *BSD thinks GPL is non-free |
| 17:55.46 | valdyn | JordiGH: gpl does impose restrictions, think of those what you want |
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| 17:56.23 | JordiGH | valdyn or pelzi_ do you have a quick summary of why *BSD complains about Apache? |
| 17:56.28 | pelzi_ | I think most stuff should be under BSD and only things that would otherwise be seriously used by companies for financial gain should be GPL. |
| 17:56.34 | Crysis | ok pelzi_ there is all depends now |
| 17:56.39 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: ask the openbsd people. I have no idea |
| 17:56.40 | valdyn | JordiGH: i thought you did |
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| 17:56.48 | cureless | JordiGH: some thing that the only free license is the WTFPL |
| 17:57.02 | JordiGH | pelzi_: The GPL allows commercial use. The GNU Ada compiler is commercial, f'rinstance. |
| 17:57.03 | azeem | Crysis: why do you want to reinstall? This should generally never be needed? |
| 17:57.13 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: not the point |
| 17:57.15 | Crysis | azeem I want to reinstall x window system |
| 17:57.21 | azeem | why? |
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| 17:57.23 | abrotman | Crysis: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 .. pick vesa ... 800x600 and 16bit color |
| 17:57.24 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: BSD is much more free. |
| 17:57.27 | Crysis | ok |
| 17:57.30 | d0uglas | does $150 sound about right for a 100 gig 5400 rpm laptop hard drive? |
| 17:57.32 | abrotman | uphill.. both ways .. snow ... |
| 17:57.37 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: not very bad |
| 17:57.38 | abrotman | d0uglas: ask #hardware |
| 17:57.44 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: lappy drives cost a lot. |
| 17:57.48 | JordiGH | pelzi_: No, you're missing the point. Just because it's GPLed doesn't mean it can't be used in a company. |
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| 17:57.58 | cureless | d0uglas: depends on the country you live in, google for it (or ebay for it) |
| 17:58.05 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: GPL prevents the company from ripping off the code, that was my point |
| 17:58.13 | Crysis | abrotman I pick vesa where . |
| 17:58.17 | cureless | JordiGH: what exactly is your question? |
| 17:58.21 | JordiGH | pelzi_: No it doesn't. Microsoft has released GPLed code. |
| 17:58.25 | valdyn | pelzi_: i dont know who could possibly decide which code might be commercially usable |
| 17:58.32 | d0uglas | okay.. i would have pricewatched the sucker but i want it today and i live in manhattan.. nevermind, ty. |
| 17:58.33 | JerJer[mobile] | what is the magic to make the DVI (DFP) port work with nvidia ? |
| 17:58.35 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: with BSD they can take it and use it however they want |
| 17:58.38 | JerJer[mobile] | i have tried everything now |
| 17:58.41 | JerJer[mobile] | even the legacy code |
| 17:58.44 | cureless | JordiGH: a company can't make (legally) a closed source product from a GPL software. |
| 17:58.50 | pelzi_ | amen |
| 17:58.55 | JordiGH | cureless: I was hoping to know the details about what *BSD doesn't like about Apaache. |
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| 17:59.09 | JerJer[mobile] | cureless: they can as long as they don't modify the GPL code |
| 17:59.10 | JordiGH | cureless: Ah, yes, closed source, no. But they can use GPL code if they play nice. |
| 17:59.10 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: read the license, or ask the openbsd guys |
| 17:59.12 | cureless | JordiGH: go to where you heard this rumor, look for some more info. |
| 17:59.17 | pelzi_ | and tell me, I'm interested |
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| 17:59.30 | JordiGH | cureless: http://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#36 |
| 17:59.31 | cureless | JerJer[mobile]: ? no, they can't make a closed source product, period. |
| 17:59.55 | JerJer[mobile] | cureless: they can make a product and not give you the source |
| 18:00.06 | cureless | JerJer[mobile]: not if it's based on GPL code. |
| 18:00.09 | JerJer[mobile] | all they have to say is "GPL code acquired from <this source>" |
| 18:00.22 | Priest-of-Psi | man |
| 18:00.27 | JerJer[mobile] | we have gone around and round with this in #asterisk |
| 18:00.31 | cureless | JerJer[mobile]: really? I remember a few distros getting in to trouble recently for believing that same fact. |
| 18:00.38 | Priest-of-Psi | pympd;s systray icon is not working with xfce |
| 18:00.38 | JerJer[mobile] | all that the GPL says is give credit |
| 18:00.44 | pelzi_ | not true |
| 18:00.45 | Priest-of-Psi | I suspect it needs some gnome stuff |
| 18:00.48 | pelzi_ | please read the damn GPL |
| 18:00.54 | pelzi_ | that's pathetic |
| 18:00.58 | JordiGH | JerJer[mobile]: Whoa. Not at all. |
| 18:00.59 | valdyn | JerJer[mobile]: read the gpl |
| 18:01.05 | cureless | JerJer[mobile]: you have to distribute the code yourself to be in a good legal standing ground, even if you distribute the same binary. |
| 18:01.05 | JerJer[mobile] | pelzi_: i am part of the FSP |
| 18:01.08 | pelzi_ | BSD says "give credit", GPL says "give source" |
| 18:01.10 | JerJer[mobile] | FSF |
| 18:01.11 | abrotman | cureless: they did get in trouble |
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| 18:01.26 | abrotman | cureless: people like kanotix going "Oh .. you can get this source at debian.org" |
| 18:01.30 | JerJer[mobile] | pelzi_: if you modify |
| 18:01.38 | JerJer[mobile] | if you use report copyright |
| 18:01.42 | pelzi_ | or distribute |
| 18:01.43 | cureless | abrotman: yes, that, I just didn't want to point fingers. |
| 18:01.57 | abrotman | i will! |
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| 18:02.02 | JerJer[mobile] | pelzi_: if you distrubute a modified version, give gode |
| 18:02.03 | JerJer[mobile] | code |
| 18:02.08 | pelzi_ | you can not distribute a GPL'd piece of software without giving the source |
| 18:02.08 | JerJer[mobile] | otherwise report copyright |
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| 18:02.15 | pelzi_ | the licence obviously states that. |
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| 18:02.25 | JerJer[mobile] | we have had dozens of lawyers go over this fact |
| 18:02.38 | pelzi_ | eh... |
| 18:02.45 | pelzi_ | why does the FSF website say that, then |
| 18:02.48 | JerJer[mobile] | pelzi_: only if you modify |
| 18:02.50 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm vim has issues with php syntax colouring? |
| 18:02.59 | stew | JerJer[mobile]: section 3 of GPL v2 says you must provide source code, and says nothing about whether or not you modified the original works |
| 18:03.00 | pelzi_ | and the license talks about "written offer for source code", etc. |
| 18:03.03 | JordiGH | I guess this is you: http://www.sineapps.com/news.php?rssid=400 |
| 18:03.15 | JordiGH | JerJer[mobile]: I guess this is you: http://www.sineapps.com/news.php?rssid=400 |
| 18:03.18 | JerJer[mobile] | and providing the code is giving a download link to the real source |
| 18:03.33 | JerJer[mobile] | as long as you haven't modified it |
| 18:03.36 | stew | JerJer[mobile]: that is one way to satisfy Secttion 3, yes |
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| 18:03.48 | pelzi_ | nope. |
| 18:03.53 | pelzi_ | a download link is not enough |
| 18:03.59 | JerJer[mobile] | yep - many many lawyers have stated that fuck |
| 18:04.02 | JerJer[mobile] | fact |
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| 18:04.09 | JerJer[mobile] | pelzi_: are you a laywer |
| 18:04.10 | pelzi_ | except if the binary is also for download |
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| 18:04.36 | pelzi_ | one does not need to be a lawyer to interpret unambiguous licences. |
| 18:05.00 | pelzi_ | if you distribute GPL'd code on the net, you need to give a link to the source. |
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| 18:05.23 | JerJer[mobile] | i just said that |
| 18:05.25 | pelzi_ | if you distribute it on a tangible medium, you must bundle the source or allow the recipient to have the source some other way. |
| 18:05.25 | Priest-of-Psi | is it posible to go from etch to sid? |
| 18:05.27 | JerJer[mobile] | and you said no |
| 18:05.40 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: Yes. But why do you want to do this? |
| 18:05.47 | pelzi_ | if you distribute on a tangible medium, a link is not enough |
| 18:05.50 | Priest-of-Psi | beryl! |
| 18:05.57 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: no reason actually |
| 18:06.01 | Priest-of-Psi | I am lank bored |
| 18:06.06 | Priest-of-Psi | just want to play with something |
| 18:06.08 | Crysis | lol KDE is slow for install |
| 18:06.12 | Crysis | !lol |
| 18:06.13 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 18:06.17 | pelzi_ | KDE is slow for anything. |
| 18:06.21 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: You might get away with keeping a mixed system. It works for me, even though they tell me it shouldn't. |
| 18:06.32 | Crysis | pelzi_ there is a lot of packages |
| 18:06.38 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: running beryl atm? |
| 18:06.38 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 18:06.41 | pelzi_ | KDE is big. |
| 18:06.43 | JordiGH | Don't bash /my/ KDE! |
| 18:06.49 | Crysis | like my dick |
| 18:06.50 | JordiGH | !start a desktop war |
| 18:06.51 | dpkg | Why even install X? |
| 18:07.10 | Priest-of-Psi | curses FTW |
| 18:07.11 | Crysis | Because |
| 18:07.12 | JordiGH | Crysis: No, I don't particularly like it. Why? |
| 18:07.13 | Crysis | ^^ |
| 18:07.25 | pelzi_ | "KDE is big" is a fact. "KDE sucks" is an opinion, and I didn't say that. |
| 18:07.27 | Crysis | JordiGH like what ? |
| 18:07.33 | Crysis | XD |
| 18:07.58 | pelzi_ | let's have a dick size contest |
| 18:08.02 | JordiGH | pelzi_: "KDE is so many megs when installed this way" is a fact. Heh. I'm enjoying flaming with you. :-) |
| 18:08.29 | Charminthemoose | kde was about 180 megs on my comp |
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| 18:08.39 | pelzi_ | KDE is big among the desktop environments debian users choose ;) |
| 18:08.42 | Priest-of-Psi | XFCE FTW! |
| 18:08.45 | Crysis | Why debian make me forget my homework ? ^^ |
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| 18:08.47 | pelzi_ | probably can be verified by popcon. |
| 18:08.51 | JordiGH | BSD sucks! They're not committed to software freedom! They allowed the creation of MacOS X. |
| 18:09.07 | pelzi_ | oh please |
| 18:09.11 | Charminthemoose | isn't debian supposed to have wrangles with free software? |
| 18:09.23 | pelzi_ | BSD is as free as it gets. |
| 18:09.26 | Charminthemoose | or am i an idiot |
| 18:09.28 | wols | wrangles? |
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| 18:09.46 | jelly | JordiGH: heehee. |
| 18:09.52 | Charminthemoose | y'know going against what software it would allow into the repositories |
| 18:09.54 | pelzi_ | ok, good flame. |
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| 18:10.09 | JordiGH | jelly: :-) |
| 18:10.12 | d0uglas | is it a safe bet a given adult site that's "copyrighted" hasn't filed the proper paperwork at all but merely it's someone faking it, thinking they're all clever knowing the alt+0169 code? that would never hold up in court, would it? |
| 18:10.28 | azeem | d0uglas: OFF-TOPIC |
| 18:10.32 | d0uglas | woops |
| 18:10.40 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: everything is copyrighted by default |
| 18:10.59 | jelly | JordiGH: I'd rather have the total freedom of BSD than use GNU Public Virus. |
| 18:11.10 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: it does not matter if you say so, all original work is copyrighted the moment it is created |
| 18:11.24 | startxwhite | i've got a friend who wants to switch his *only PC* to gnu/linux. He is unemployed and can not upgrade his K6 450Mhz 192MB RAM 40 gig hd. He's at present running XP and Dragon Voice Recognition Version 7. He is on a 56k dialup |
| 18:11.30 | cureless | JerJer[mobile]: RMS seems to disagree with you http://trends.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/07/15/0331201&from=rss |
| 18:11.37 | startxwhite | he is afraid of switching though |
| 18:11.50 | pelzi_ | jelly: me too, except if I was sure some company would run away with it, make money with it and closed-source it. |
| 18:11.55 | abrotman | startxwhite: golly .. anything else to make it difficult? |
| 18:11.57 | Crysis | YEAH KDE IS INSTALLED THANKS ALL FOR HELP I LOVE YOU CAN YOU SATY WITH ME TONIGHT YEAH |
| 18:12.04 | Charminthemoose | um,i had sun-java-jre installed from synaptic and i can't seem to find it anymore in libs/non-free.Anyone know where it may have gone? |
| 18:12.09 | JordiGH | jelly: I'd rather have Debian. |
| 18:12.30 | azeem | Charminthemoose: maybe there was a version number encoded into the package name as well |
| 18:12.31 | jelly | pelzi_: just means your marketing wasn't good enough. ;-) |
| 18:12.34 | abrotman | debian uses software with many licenses |
| 18:12.43 | pelzi_ | startxwhite: give him a set of sarge CDs, a hardware modem and hope for the best |
| 18:12.46 | JordiGH | startxwhite: He's got plenty good hardware for Debian. He can dual boot if he wants. |
| 18:12.53 | pelzi_ | debian contains BSD'd stuff. |
| 18:12.55 | Charminthemoose | azeem:What you say!!? |
| 18:13.04 | startxwhite | because there is no affordable/easy to install/use/mantain voice recognition software for GNU/Linux . smthg like Dragon 7 |
| 18:13.18 | Charminthemoose | ah there it goes |
| 18:13.21 | Charminthemoose | twas in unstable. |
| 18:13.23 | Charminthemoose | my bad. |
| 18:13.26 | d0uglas | pelzi_: if by "original work" you don't mean all the work that goes into learning the proper wget flags to scoop up an entire site.. well, i guess i'm out of luck |
| 18:13.32 | dn4 | [IMG]http://205.243.100.155/photos/Lightning/Lightling_Kane_Quinnell-1.JPG[/IMG] |
| 18:13.52 | JordiGH | startxwhite: Oh. There's some voice recognition software in Debian, but it's probably not very user friendly yet. :-/ |
| 18:13.55 | dn4 | 28 hundred giga watts |
| 18:13.57 | Crysis | kde is beautyfull ^^ |
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| 18:14.03 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: the command line might be original work, not the rest, but a command line probably isn't eligible |
| 18:14.10 | jelly | startxwhite: you're right, I haven't seen anything remotely like commercial voice recog. software for Windows. |
| 18:14.12 | JordiGH | startxwhite: Why does your "friend of a friend" want to switch anyways? |
| 18:14.14 | amortvigil | in debian etch you have php5 when i upgraded to php5 it didn't bundle all mysql and php how can i make it bundle it? |
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| 18:14.26 | dn4 | Crysis, thegimp ever heard of thegimp? |
| 18:15.09 | startxwhite | JordiGH: he does NOT want any console command line voice recognition |
| 18:15.10 | Crysis | dn4 no |
| 18:15.10 | d0uglas | still, i think the IP infringement penalties shouldn't be as harsh as they are if you were someone who used some kind of wget gui frontend |
| 18:15.11 | Charminthemoose | anyone know what happened to 3dwm? |
| 18:15.40 | startxwhite | he wants to switch because he agrees with the Free Software philosophy |
| 18:15.50 | pelzi_ | startxwhite: Whoa. remarkable |
| 18:15.59 | startxwhite | the ideals are ok but he is afraid of practical issues |
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| 18:16.24 | pelzi_ | well, if he likes the ideals he might be ready to fight more than the average switcher |
| 18:16.29 | startxwhite | pelzi: indeed! |
| 18:16.32 | damageinc | hi |
| 18:16.33 | whatah | Priest-of-Psi: what is wrong with the icon? |
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| 18:16.39 | JordiGH | startxwhite: An idealist. We've got some windmills for him to tilt at. Like, contribute to festival. |
| 18:16.43 | JordiGH | !info festival |
| 18:16.46 | dpkg | festival: (general multi-lingual speech synthesis system), section sound, is optional. Version: 1.4.3-17.2 (sid), Packaged size: 709 kB, Installed size: 2008 kB |
| 18:16.47 | jelly | startxwhite: hmm. why/what does he use Dragon for? Disabilities? |
| 18:16.52 | Priest-of-Psi | whatah: what icon? |
| 18:16.53 | JordiGH | Oops, wrong way around. |
| 18:17.02 | damageinc | is there a flash editor for debian ?? |
| 18:17.08 | whatah | Priest-of-Psi: the trayicon of pympd. |
| 18:17.16 | Priest-of-Psi | whatah: its not working |
| 18:17.18 | startxwhite | JordiG: he is not a programmer. he's got problems with his hands. He is 60 |
| 18:17.20 | dn4 | Crysis, that plus terragen is beautiful |
| 18:17.21 | Priest-of-Psi | at all just says error |
| 18:17.25 | JordiGH | !info sphinx |
| 18:17.34 | JordiGH | !info sphinx-bin |
| 18:17.34 | abrotman | startxwhite: i think there's via voice for linux |
| 18:17.46 | JordiGH | !info sphinx2-bin |
| 18:17.46 | whatah | Priest-of-Psi: can you turn on debug output in preferences and run pympd from the terminal? |
| 18:17.53 | dpkg | sphinx2-bin: (speech recognition utilities), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.6-2 (sid), Packaged size: 141 kB, Installed size: 488 kB |
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| 18:18.08 | startxwhite | abrotman: it is not supported. it is discontinued |
| 18:18.09 | abrotman | http://www.linux.com/howtos/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO/software.shtml |
| 18:18.19 | pelzi_ | startxwhite: maybe find the speech recognition packages, install on a lappy and let him try them? |
| 18:18.22 | abrotman | startxwhite: http://www.linux.com/howtos/Speech-Recognition-HOWTO/software.shtml |
| 18:18.29 | Priest-of-Psi | cannot import name trayicon |
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| 18:18.35 | damageinc | what package do i need to install to get a bot like dpkg ? |
| 18:18.44 | JordiGH | dpkg, what are you? |
| 18:18.45 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 18:18.45 | Charminthemoose | damn,i can't find 3dwm. |
| 18:18.52 | startxwhite | abrotman: i read that before coming here. i showed the howto to him and he did not like its geekiness |
| 18:19.00 | Charminthemoose | *sniff* no uber lame and useless eyecandy for me |
| 18:19.41 | jelly | startxwhite: I'd use Dragon+Windows but replace the other apps with free software, like Firefox for browser, OpenOffice (1.1.x) for office suite, etc. |
| 18:19.46 | abrotman | startxwhite: geekiness ? |
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| 18:20.00 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: 5dwm ? |
| 18:20.02 | Priest-of-Psi | whatah: ^^^ |
| 18:20.09 | startxwhite | guys, i want advise from someone who is running voice recognition software on a box similar to his |
| 18:20.13 | hid3 | Evening everyone. Is there any way to mount my 'mount --bind' links automatically? I mean, can I somehow put those links in /etc/fstab? |
| 18:20.21 | damageinc | !dpkg blootbot |
| 18:20.30 | pelzi_ | hid3: I'd use rc.local |
| 18:20.31 | Charminthemoose | abrotman:no 3dwm,it's a 3d windowmanager |
| 18:20.35 | JordiGH | !blootbot |
| 18:20.36 | dpkg | methinks blootbot is a severely mutiliated infobot (right now, the code doesn't even look like infobot any more), by xk. Homepage at http://blootbot.sourceforge.net. Archive is at http://www.nyip.net/~apt/blootbot. See blootbot debs now in debian, or if you didn't already know this you probably don't want to run a blootbot unless you're very good with perl, or http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot |
| 18:20.37 | abrotman | Charminthemoose: i know what it is |
| 18:20.39 | Charminthemoose | !tell abrotman about 3dwm |
| 18:20.54 | abrotman | oh thanks |
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| 18:21.24 | roxy_ | I am on a brand new debian/testing amd64. aptitude install kde fails because kdewebdev is broke. This is the only alternative offered by aptitude. Can I say, install kde without webdev ? |
| 18:21.26 | Charminthemoose | np. |
| 18:21.28 | Charminthemoose | :) |
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| 18:21.59 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:21.59 | dpkg | somebody said install kde was In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 18:22.25 | startxwhite | jelly: he is ok with the practical side, easy of use of xp. dual booting he does not want to. |
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| 18:22.42 | Crysis | Ok thats all work now :p thans abrotman, pelzi_, azeem, GrimWald and all others for the help :) |
| 18:22.46 | roxy_ | abrotman: kde-core will do, thanks |
| 18:22.56 | JordiGH | startxwhite: So how did your friend get initiated into free software philosophy? |
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| 18:23.26 | JordiGH | Holy crap. Monsieur Grande Queue actually got Debian working like he wanted to? |
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| 18:23.40 | startxwhite | he saw His Holiness speaking |
| 18:23.45 | jelly | startxwhite: It's just that I don't think Linux voice recognition is nearly mature enough. Which is kind of sad because Dragon isn't that good either. |
| 18:23.47 | Crysis | LOL monsieur grande queue ? |
| 18:23.56 | JordiGH | Crysis: Don't flatter yourself, kid. |
| 18:23.57 | damageinc | dpkg youre the slowest and most bloated bot in the world |
| 18:24.11 | JordiGH | startxwhite: rms? |
| 18:24.15 | startxwhite | he is OK with Dragon 7's functionality |
| 18:24.19 | Crysis | lol JordiGH you speak french ? |
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| 18:24.32 | plb | Is there a way to reconfigure time via dpkg? |
| 18:24.42 | JordiGH | Crysis: Mais ouais, mautadit tabarnac. |
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| 18:25.00 | jelly | plb: set curent time? change timezone? |
| 18:25.11 | startxwhite | JordiGH: Our Patron Saint : http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2004/05/292506.jpg |
| 18:25.17 | plb | jelly: current time...I set it via date but it keeps getting reset when I reboot |
| 18:25.40 | Crysis | JordiGH lol en faite on aurai pu parler francais depuis le debut :p |
| 18:25.48 | cureless | plb: you need to set it to the hardware clock |
| 18:25.53 | jelly | plb: that's strange. The reboot sequence should save it in the hardware clock. |
| 18:26.06 | plb | cureless: how do I go about that? |
| 18:26.11 | plb | hardware clock is fine |
| 18:26.16 | plb | system time isn't |
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| 18:26.17 | cureless | plb: it should be done automatically. Do you just turn off your computer or shutdown? |
| 18:26.18 | JordiGH | Crysis: No, we couldn't have. They don't like it when we speak non-English languages here. you'll get sent to |
| 18:26.19 | JordiGH | !fr |
| 18:26.19 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
| 18:26.24 | startxwhite | abrotman: have you read : http://groups.google.co.uk/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_thread/thread/f474d3bfb0acb10a/0a289e39102959b4?lnk=st&q=&rnum=3&hl=en#0a289e39102959b4 |
| 18:26.29 | jelly | plb: try running hwclock --systohc after setting up the clock. |
| 18:26.29 | plb | cureless: i shut it down |
| 18:26.40 | Crysis | Ok JordiGH |
| 18:26.40 | GrimWald | tu es français Crysis xD c'est malin |
| 18:26.55 | cureless | plb: once again, that's strange, it should be done automatically. Do what jelly told you. |
| 18:26.55 | Crysis | GrimWald toi aussi ? |
| 18:26.58 | abrotman | startxwhite: no .. why ? |
| 18:27.05 | GrimWald | bah ouais ^^ |
| 18:27.12 | jelly | plb: when you power it up, do you always get the same dummy value like 1.1.1980? |
| 18:27.15 | Crysis | gros con va :p |
| 18:27.22 | GrimWald | :] |
| 18:27.23 | plb | jelly: nope |
| 18:27.23 | cureless | plb: you can check that it works by running the reverse command, hwclock --hctosys |
| 18:27.48 | plb | cureless: alright did it |
| 18:27.54 | plb | lemme verify with a reboot now ;] |
| 18:27.54 | startxwhite | abrotman: read it plz. that explains amongst other turn offs the word geekiness |
| 18:28.08 | cureless | plb: if your machine is on a network, install ntp and let it keep your time. It should work fine as long as you have .... nevermind, just leave. |
| 18:28.39 | jelly | cureless: he's gone |
| 18:28.43 | JordiGH | startxwhite: Y'know, that pic of St Ignucius really does look saintly. |
| 18:28.50 | pelzi_ | jelly: oh really |
| 18:29.06 | cureless | St Ignacius, that's me. |
| 18:29.33 | abrotman | startxwhite: if it does what he needs .. what does it matter ? |
| 18:29.35 | cureless | so you're like system error messages. |
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| 18:30.03 | jelly | qouth the server, 404 |
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| 18:30.18 | plb | cureless: thanks that worked |
| 18:30.41 | cureless | plb: ...ok. we really didn't do anything. There might be something broken if it wasn't working before. |
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| 18:31.09 | startxwhite | JordiGH: indeed! He is our Patron Saint |
| 18:31.12 | cureless | plb: before you left I was saying that if your machine is no the network you might want to run ntp so it keeps your clock in synch with the rest of the world. |
| 18:31.13 | plb | well hwclock sync seemed to fix it because I set date before and it did nothing |
| 18:31.15 | plb | now its working |
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| 18:31.35 | plb | yeah good idea |
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| 18:33.03 | startxwhite | abrotman: he said Dragon7 does what i need but i was taken by His Holiness words |
| 18:33.16 | abrotman | his holiness ? |
| 18:33.47 | startxwhite | Our Patron Saint : http://www.indymedia.org.uk/images/2004/05/292506.jpg |
| 18:33.51 | amphi | st ignucius I guess |
| 18:33.58 | startxwhite | yes |
| 18:34.16 | cureless | I'm st Ignacius. |
| 18:35.07 | startxwhite | who? |
| 18:35.09 | plb | Isn't there a ntp pkg that just syncs at boot rather than running as a daemon |
| 18:35.17 | abrotman | ntpdate |
| 18:35.18 | pelzi_ | ntpdate |
| 18:35.34 | plb | thanks |
| 18:35.53 | rhsanborn | Can you set ssh to listen on port 80? |
| 18:35.58 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 18:36.06 | cureless | rhsanborn: you can set it to any port |
| 18:36.31 | Pr0nStrGeek | you can set it to 80 as long as you don't have something else listening on port 80... |
| 18:36.32 | cureless | rhsanborn: as long as that port is not being used by something else. Though some people are actually working on removing that restriction. |
| 18:36.43 | rhsanborn | thanks. We're restricted to port 80 at school. I'd like IRC and MUD/MUCK access while in class...SSH, I think, is the way to go |
| 18:36.50 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 18:36.54 | pelzi_ | I did that too |
| 18:37.03 | rhsanborn | pelzi_, thanks... |
| 18:37.05 | pelzi_ | but you can also try the https port |
| 18:37.12 | Braindead | not if he's passing through a (transparent) proxy |
| 18:37.24 | rhsanborn | Braindead, why not? |
| 18:37.30 | pelzi_ | using https would defeat that |
| 18:37.51 | cureless | if there's a transparent proxy he might have trouble with ssh too. |
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| 18:38.11 | pelzi_ | but proxies are not very common any more, over-restrictive egress filtering is |
| 18:38.25 | rhsanborn | https is generall 443, no? |
| 18:38.28 | rhsanborn | generally |
| 18:38.29 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 18:38.33 | Pr0nStrGeek | 443/tcp... |
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| 18:39.04 | Crysis | What can I use for IRC ? |
| 18:39.14 | pelzi_ | irssi, xchat, whatever you want |
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| 18:39.20 | pelzi_ | apt-cache search irc client |
| 18:39.21 | _tziku | hello can somebody help me with bind: http://pastebin.ca/207000 (my bind configuration) problem is: is putting .110.178.195.in-addr.arpa at the end of addres :( |
| 18:39.33 | rhsanborn | Cool, thanks guys. I think I'll setup an install specifically to listen for ssh connections during the day. I cna reboot to something else when I want to use the machine |
| 18:39.54 | cureless | rhsanborn: what do you mean reboot? |
| 18:40.03 | Pr0nStrGeek | who owns your IP address space, _tziku... that's reverse DNS... |
| 18:40.22 | Pr0nStrGeek | are you using reverse DNS? |
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| 18:40.33 | _tziku | i own the ip addres...i have reverse and forword acces for my provider. |
| 18:40.41 | pelzi_ | _tziku: you're missing a . on line 21 |
| 18:40.46 | rhsanborn | cureless, I will create a paired down linux install specifically to handle these tasks. Dual or triple boot the system |
| 18:41.05 | cureless | rhsanborn: you don't have to, but sure, that's an option. |
| 18:41.26 | rhsanborn | cureless, main install is windows |
| 18:41.30 | Souvent22 | hello. |
| 18:41.33 | cureless | _tziku: you really own the ip addresses? |
| 18:41.34 | _tziku | pelzi_ ? |
| 18:41.40 | _tziku | yeah... |
| 18:41.48 | rhsanborn | cureless, my linux workstation is my laptop...which is what will be connecting to the home computer |
| 18:42.19 | Souvent22 | on all 4 screens, i have some logs crolling land i don't know why... |
| 18:42.26 | _tziku | cureless my provider give me domain , ip address and reverse/forword privilegis... |
| 18:42.38 | Souvent22 | >so i have this stuff that keeps scrlooing on the scren like: IN=the1 OUT= MAC=00:0..etc. etc. |
| 18:42.39 | cureless | _tziku: that doesn't mean you own the ip addresses. |
| 18:42.49 | Souvent22 | any know what it is and how to stop it ? |
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| 18:42.59 | abrotman | that is your firewall |
| 18:43.31 | pelzi_ | _tziku: what are you exactly trying to do |
| 18:43.39 | Pr0nStrGeek | what's the IP address, tziku? |
| 18:43.42 | _tziku | pelzi_ forword and reverse addres. |
| 18:43.46 | _tziku | 195.178.110.155 |
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| 18:44.03 | Pr0nStrGeek | h/o |
| 18:44.08 | pelzi_ | and it has been delegated to your dns server? both forward and reverse? |
| 18:44.23 | amphi | Souvent22: dmesg -n 1 will no doubt suppress those messages |
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| 18:44.47 | kodachi | hi guys, i'm having a little trouble with my sound, can anyone help? |
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| 18:45.16 | pelzi_ | _tziku: did you remember to increment the serial? |
| 18:45.40 | Pr0nStrGeek | 195.0.0.0/8... |
| 18:45.41 | _tziku | no...i don't know nothing about "increment the serial" i am begginer |
| 18:45.44 | Detox | I get error when attempting to re-isntall ndiswrapper,, tells me to disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS how do i do this??????????????? |
| 18:45.51 | Detox | I get error when attempting to re-isntall ndiswrapper,, tells me to disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS how do i do this??????????????? |
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| 18:46.02 | khaleel5000 | hello everyone |
| 18:46.03 | blondie | Detox: sorry, too few question marks |
| 18:46.09 | pelzi_ | Detox: why did you say it twice |
| 18:46.17 | pelzi_ | Detox: it's not nice to fill up the whole screen |
| 18:46.18 | Detox | hit wrong key |
| 18:46.25 | kodachi | alsamixer shows the card as a Conexant CX881, however alsaconf (correctly) lists the sound card as an Intel AC 97 Sound controller |
| 18:46.27 | Detox | wrong key |
| 18:46.35 | blondie | again? |
| 18:46.57 | pelzi_ | kodachi: probably both are right |
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| 18:47.06 | khaleel5000 | i am a newbie intending to order a debian cd online coz i have dialup , can any one tell me does its set of cds coontain atleast one version of the programmes that are available in repo (at the time of release of that version? ) |
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| 18:47.22 | kodachi | hmm, both are right? |
| 18:47.48 | pelzi_ | the conexant is the codec, the intel is the other part of AC97 |
| 18:47.57 | kodachi | ahh |
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| 18:49.00 | kodachi | alsa works under an older kernel, however I installed a newer kernel (through apt) and now the sound system doesn't start at all |
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| 18:49.50 | Detox | I get error when attempting to re-isntall ndiswrapper,, tells me to disable CONFIG_4KSTACKS how do i do this? |
| 18:49.50 | khaleel5000 | hello fellas... newbie needs help .... atleast gimme a link to read from? |
| 18:50.28 | pelzi_ | khaleel5000: I didn't completely understand you |
| 18:50.37 | cureless | khaleel5000: I think it depends what you order |
| 18:51.02 | Souvent22 | abrotman: how do i stop it from scrolling on all my virtual terminals? |
| 18:51.06 | amphi | khaleel5000: the full set of cds contains all packaged sw |
| 18:51.07 | Souvent22 | i tried ctrl+z |
| 18:51.07 | kodachi | if it helps any, I get a message saying "default: device can't be opened for playback" when i attempt to restart alsa |
| 18:51.11 | abrotman | Souvent22: ask #iptables |
| 18:51.36 | cureless | Souvent22: the problem is probably in the logging. |
| 18:51.56 | cureless | Souvent22: look at the syslogd config or ask the firewall people |
| 18:52.04 | Souvent22 | ok, thanks. |
| 18:52.05 | khaleel5000 | plezi cureless amphi let me check which one was i intending ....... i will paste the link here |
| 18:52.18 | cureless | khaleel5000: how many cds/dvds is it? |
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| 18:53.35 | enyawix | anyone have abiword on etch? |
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| 18:54.08 | enyawix | if so is your spell check working? |
| 18:54.10 | streuner | !tell enyawix about ask |
| 18:54.15 | khaleel5000 | cureless: , amphi pelzi link is http://www.copyleft.com.pk/softwares.htm |
| 18:54.50 | cureless | khaleel5000: you're going to run into one problem. Debian is always changing except for stable releases. The last stable release is "old", so you're going to get an "old" system. So you probably want testing or unstable, which are changing, so you might get something "current" but it wont be the "final" version (if that makes any sense). |
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| 18:55.06 | enyawix | streuner thanks |
| 18:55.08 | khaleel5000 | cureless: , amphi pelzi there i think the link for debian is mistakenly connected to FC , will call and ask them tomorrow (its night here) |
| 18:55.12 | khaleel5000 | cureless: i am aware of that |
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| 18:55.44 | jeanre | do I need a package to get syntax colouring in php? |
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| 18:55.53 | Ronin | interesting theyre selling 3.1r3 |
| 18:55.55 | jeanre | errr |
| 18:56.02 | jeanre | in php I mean in vim for php |
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| 18:56.40 | cureless | khaleel5000: anyway, debian is big. But chances are that the software that you want will be in the first dvd. (or cds 1-7). If you're missing something you can download it over dial-up |
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| 18:57.25 | khaleel5000 | cureless: yeah 30 to 45 min it take to download one mega byte |
| 18:57.31 | pelzi_ | cureless: except if it is a new version that depends on this and that |
| 18:57.36 | pelzi_ | what kind of dialup is that |
| 18:57.49 | cureless | jeanre: you shouldn't. |
| 18:57.50 | jyoungxx | Is debian etch available yet? |
| 18:57.51 | amphi | khaleel5000: that's slow even for dialup |
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| 18:58.12 | fhp | i'm trying to install debian stable on an old, low-mem (32M) machine, but the installation hangs in the bootstrap stage while configuring debconf |
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| 18:58.23 | cureless | jeanre: does it highlight other stuff? if not, turn highlighting on ":syntax on" |
| 18:58.38 | pelzi_ | fhp: I'm ircing with a 40m machine now, do you have swap |
| 18:58.38 | khaleel5000 | amphi: what you think sppeed should be? |
| 18:58.56 | pelzi_ | when I had dialup it was 56k and about 5 minutes/megabyte |
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| 18:59.05 | fhp | yes, i added swap manually after hardware detetion |
| 18:59.26 | pelzi_ | go to another vt and see if it says anything |
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| 19:00.06 | enyawix | jyoungxx YES i am running etch |
| 19:00.09 | pelzi_ | because this is a lappy without a floppy or CD, I installed the base system on another pc, so I don't really know. |
| 19:00.28 | jyoungxx | is it beta or released? |
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| 19:00.46 | amphi | khaleel5000: I don't recall what I used to get, but I thinkit was around 12MB/hour |
| 19:00.46 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: thats very fast... but the speed i tell ya , thast what it is! |
| 19:00.55 | fhp | pelzi_: it doesn't; the last message on tty3 is setting up debconf" |
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| 19:01.06 | pelzi_ | well, now I have an 8m/1m adsl :P |
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| 19:01.26 | pelzi_ | about two seconds per megabyte. |
| 19:01.44 | jeanre | bbl |
| 19:01.47 | jyoungxx | nm I forgot only 1 answer allowed |
| 19:02.02 | khaleel5000 | wow i envy ya fellas ;) |
| 19:02.26 | jeanre | khaleel5000: what country? |
| 19:02.28 | fhp | pelzi_: after some time, the configuration process gets killed because the box is out of memory |
| 19:02.44 | pelzi_ | fhp: is the swap enabled? |
| 19:02.47 | pelzi_ | cat /proc/swaps |
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| 19:02.53 | fhp | pelzi_: there is 1.5G of swap active, so that should not be a problem |
| 19:03.03 | pelzi_ | hmm. weird |
| 19:03.29 | jeanre | I have 1mb dsl |
| 19:03.30 | pelzi_ | fhp: sure it is not failing hardware? |
| 19:03.34 | jeanre | capped at 3gb tho |
| 19:03.37 | jeanre | :( |
| 19:03.38 | enyawix | jyoungxx i would call it alpha it has real issues |
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| 19:03.56 | pelzi_ | mine is unlimited, even port 25 is wide open and I have static IPs. :P |
| 19:04.12 | jeanre | pelzi_: come stay in south africa |
| 19:04.15 | jeanre | and we speak again! |
| 19:04.16 | jeanre | :P |
| 19:04.18 | fhp | pelzi_: not entirely sure, but i don't think so |
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| 19:04.20 | pelzi_ | at 48 euros per month :P |
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| 19:04.37 | fhp | pelzi_: i'll run a memtest |
| 19:04.43 | pelzi_ | fhp: good idea. |
| 19:04.59 | pelzi_ | fhp: better do that than waste your time if it is failing |
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| 19:06.01 | SpeedyG | hey guys, when i've installed something with make && make install, is there some easy way to remove that piece of software? |
| 19:06.08 | fhp | pelzi_: yea, it had an old 3.0 install, but that didn't run for quite some time |
| 19:06.48 | qailer | SppedyG, if the source doesn't provide a tool for it, nope |
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| 19:07.26 | khaleel5000 | jeanre was away pakistan |
| 19:07.33 | linux3 | hey does anyone here know how i can compile an application without building the deps as well or how to install the app without building it? |
| 19:07.49 | linux3 | i was reading the help in apt-get install but it wasn't saying how to do so |
| 19:08.41 | pelzi_ | well... it's nice to know somebody is worse off ;) |
| 19:08.58 | amphi | linux3: make uninstall if you're lucky |
| 19:09.20 | pelzi_ | here we complain when the Swedes can get 100m connections cheaper than we get ours. |
| 19:09.38 | amphi | linux3: otherwise make -n install | less, see what it did, and undo it |
| 19:09.48 | linux3 | amphi: well how can i install an app without deps using apt-get install |
| 19:09.53 | khaleel5000 | pelzi_: hmm ...... thats y they say when you wanna compare , compare your self with someone whose onestep below ya |
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| 19:09.55 | SpeedyG | hmz.. i'd better not participate in that discussion pelzi_ |
| 19:10.00 | khaleel5000 | ok gotta go |
| 19:10.03 | khaleel5000 | bye |
| 19:10.03 | enyawix | thanks i found the issue |
| 19:10.09 | khaleel5000 | tata ... thanks fellas .... |
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| 19:10.25 | khaleel5000 | ill ask them tomorrow and discuss here |
| 19:10.27 | khaleel5000 | bye |
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| 19:10.41 | pelzi_ | SpeedyG: sweden? |
| 19:10.52 | linux3 | exit |
| 19:10.53 | PF | What is the utility that is used to configure DHCP in Debian "Sarge" ? |
| 19:11.05 | SpeedyG | pelzi_: netherlands |
| 19:11.26 | pelzi_ | SpeedyG: ok. still jealous ;) |
| 19:11.29 | SpeedyG | i'm not paying anything at all for this 100m connection ;) |
| 19:11.43 | pelzi_ | not the connection speed, but the legislation |
| 19:11.57 | fhp | pelzi_: the memory seems OK |
| 19:11.58 | pelzi_ | stupid Finnish authorities went ahead and got us a DMCA copy |
| 19:12.16 | pelzi_ | fhp: hmm. weird. |
| 19:12.20 | fhp | pelzi_: i did not get any i/o errors, so no obvious harddisk errors either |
| 19:12.52 | pelzi_ | SpeedyG: and well, students get 100m here too, but the people who pay for their connectivity are stuck with 24/3 at max. |
| 19:13.13 | SpeedyG | yeah, same here |
| 19:13.24 | SpeedyG | but there's also quite a lot of students who dont get 100m here |
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| 19:14.25 | andybandy | http://img223.imageshack.us/img223/2076/imag04646pi.jpg |
| 19:14.25 | andybandy | thats me!!! |
| 19:14.26 | andybandy | hi all!! |
| 19:14.27 | andybandy | :DD |
| 19:14.37 | andybandy | does everyone here use debian?!? |
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| 19:14.53 | Moorenkopf | hi. i've got a problem with alsa. I followed the alsaguide on wiki.debian.org, but cat /proc/asound/cards shows only my onboard soundchip (via). The first card should be snd-emu10k1, as defined in /etc/modprobe.d/sound, but for some reason it doesn't work. any hints, or leading questions? |
| 19:15.02 | sepski | andybandy, naaaw i dont think anyone in here uses debian.. what would make you think that ?? |
| 19:15.14 | pelzi_ | SpeedyG: same here, some people got 2m/512 adsls but I think those universities started losing students ;P |
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| 19:16.12 | fhp | pelzi_: i'll try swapping the root and swap partitions |
| 19:16.23 | pelzi_ | hmm, yep |
| 19:16.26 | fhp | pelzi: (they're on different physical disks) |
| 19:16.26 | pelzi_ | might work |
| 19:16.58 | d0uglas | andybandy: that's sexy but next time you gotta say "nsfw" |
| 19:17.11 | andybandy | nsfw? |
| 19:17.50 | SpeedyG | no such fucking way ? |
| 19:17.57 | pelzi_ | not safe for work |
| 19:18.04 | SpeedyG | oh :) |
| 19:18.07 | pelzi_ | and what's up with the hand |
| 19:18.10 | pelzi_ | we want to see more |
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| 19:23.25 | abrotman | !Moo |
| 19:23.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 19:26.01 | simonrvn | oly, it's dead here |
| 19:26.03 | simonrvn | h |
| 19:26.20 | simonrvn | hi abrotman, how goes? |
| 19:26.46 | abrotman | not bad .. and yourself ? |
| 19:26.52 | kr0n | Is there a way to "ping" the ps2 mouse port ? hehe, I am trying to get a mouse working under Xorg, but the machine was booted without a mouse, and it looks like it dosnt recognize it when I plug it in, is there any way to verify there is a mouse present ? |
| 19:26.58 | simonrvn | doing ok |
| 19:27.20 | simonrvn | reboot with the mouse in the port |
| 19:27.36 | simonrvn | no matter what you do it won't do anything |
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| 19:28.04 | simonrvn | and don't do that if you avoid it, you can short out the plug and/or the circuitry |
| 19:28.13 | kr0n | I cant reboot the machine, its doing some important stuff hehe |
| 19:28.16 | simonrvn | if you can* |
| 19:28.20 | simonrvn | then wait |
| 19:28.30 | kr0n | its doing it 24/7 |
| 19:28.41 | kr0n | its must be a way to hook up a mouse while its running |
| 19:28.47 | simonrvn | up to you to figure that out ;). nope. |
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| 19:29.04 | pelzi_ | usually there is not. |
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| 19:29.16 | stew | kr0n: modprobe -r psmouse ; modprobe psmouse ; modprobe -r mousedev ; modprobe mousedev ; cat /dev/psaux ; and move the mouse, see if you get junk coming out |
| 19:29.16 | pelzi_ | and it must be possible to boot it |
| 19:29.18 | kr0n | how about USB mouses ? |
| 19:29.22 | pelzi_ | what if it breaks? |
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| 19:29.32 | simonrvn | kr0n: yes, quite so |
| 19:29.37 | stew | kr0n: for usb mouse dont use psaux but /dev/input/mice |
| 19:30.06 | kr0n | stew ill try that, thanks. And I am testing useing a ps2 mouse, but was thinking of trying an usb |
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| 19:30.15 | simonrvn | for ps/2 you can use /dev/input/mice too (FYI) |
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| 19:31.10 | bhearsum | i'm not trying to troll, so please don't interpret it as that but i was wondering if anybody has set up an apt repository that provides non-debian patched firefox/thunderbird builds |
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| 19:32.00 | abrotman | bhearsum: mozilla.org ? |
| 19:32.01 | Digamma | chmod: invalid mode: --reference=/etc/shells |
| 19:32.02 | Digamma | dpkg: error processing bash (--configure) <can somone explain what the error is? |
| 19:32.15 | kr0n | plugged a USB mouse in, and changed /dev/psaux to /dev/input/mice ... now it works, thanks :-) |
| 19:32.17 | bhearsum | abrotman: i haven't seen anything on the blogs or wiki so i figured i'd ask the debian crowd |
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| 19:32.34 | abrotman | bhearsum: you'd do better to ask irc.mozilla.org |
| 19:32.35 | simonrvn | kr0n: unlike ps2 usb is designed to be hotplugged ;) |
| 19:32.41 | stew | kr0n: you should probably list "mousedev" in /etc/modules to ensure that the mousedev module is loaded automatically when you reboot |
| 19:32.42 | bhearsum | abrotman: yeah, i am already |
| 19:32.44 | bhearsum | thanks though |
| 19:33.10 | abrotman | bhearsum: they'd have their own builds .. maybe |
| 19:33.11 | kr0n | stew allright :) |
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| 19:35.00 | pelzi_ | Digamma: does /etc/shells exist |
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| 19:35.28 | simonrvn | it should |
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| 19:35.44 | Digamma | no it dosent |
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| 19:37.33 | _tziku | what is rndc alternative in debian ? |
| 19:37.42 | pelzi_ | rndc. |
| 19:37.45 | asg | _tziku: debian has rndc in the bind package |
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| 19:40.20 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
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| 19:41.53 | CHodapp | someone kick ottohansfritz, he was just banned for spamming elsewhere |
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| 19:42.15 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: cydork syntaxx relaxed pwk iLLf8d SPOPPO hjubal My8os bartek| zamuro BhaalWTF abchirk Fronty Xenguy Digamma null fourat Moorenkopf Adrian2 kr0n cafe_roy Benton raf256_ Souvent22_ BhaalWK Lopuz xtr ottohansfritz futex PF r4t piko fly_80 esteel damnage_hack Kim^J fhp jeanre MatBoy anapivirtua caplink811_log enyawix sasas coldboot ninjak roue cqst _tziku havoc_ Braindead craigev |
| 19:42.16 | ottohansfritz | il rhsanborn janbatisuto infernixx r nkuttler Mitja jplibre |
| 19:42.16 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: damageinc lord_ streuner AfterDea1h krifur lordlamer AhrAsyL aardvarq enouf rem__ opensea stojic diesel palandir` jaxadmrl brahma` nefertum holycow yassine dansushi marculix Charminthemoose NuBus Daveman zinx gdub justStormY flashnet i3d MoDaX baroni rgsteele odla Smooph faljse Firestarter Piet dr_wut DimmuR Jussi FernandoMM Bulldog fresch Bazy bronze_|| pjz kryptoz Flusher t |
| 19:42.18 | ottohansfritz | he_mug DaBlade dererk[w] bmalee factorx the_Cat |garo| mrcoyote |
| 19:42.20 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: x_link psychoslave piotr lepton balony sepski dvst grendelson devicenull r000t fireba11 jonas22 zoid solars faust__ whatah shingouz character gungnir Evixion Naz bwlang Maakuth fildo Ryushin jazzmanss MafProd Crysis guk yure scanf floe amee2k lftl _TiCPU cbr Deny_[All] CompWizrd desti sva` Gnomer__ ]Gnea[ d0uglas zophyx unixslut abrotman js_ LoneWlf Suprano idealm keherman ad |
| 19:42.22 | asg | !ops ottohansfritz |
| 19:42.23 | pelzi_ | maybe report to admins |
| 19:42.23 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: ottohansfritz |
| 19:42.24 | abchirk | oh man |
| 19:42.25 | ottohansfritz | ministrator dooglus meff colby aeroSoul dorel__ mrew alexscott |
| 19:42.27 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: Pr0nStrGeek eps Nameeater WoodyWoodpecker win_x_prts Amorphous jgonzalez Trev_ quitte DarkCow _sss_ mentor Pluk sabbat_ g8m mariux4 dpkg Barnes Zeit|awy Ireul johnnyss bier_ raz0 Bushmills xfli ramir3z jatt phorce1 aimtrainer ktwilight jooopyme ChrisBradley ft vulture dino4k PDani_ adker Growly|OMGWTF themolester loko_ [Hazard] jelly-home h4mm3r` debian Scurz clocker PhilKC w |
| 19:42.34 | ottohansfritz | ar95 ascii__ Nibbier glut psychonate blijblijblij zed Solet |
| 19:42.36 | MatBoy | kick the guy here also ! |
| 19:42.36 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: bc mdo_ Talisker[w] hehehehe Segers_J cahoot neiljp-work row SeanTater_ XaMaD FallenHitokiri cpop Eulex owdondek Hoxzer cb^ diamond Sparda __zen__ jmworx pitillo lucia cafuego coranz hellqvio oKtosiTe exobyte jesseman_ pstickne sandman efaistos_ maelztrom DB7654321 bsmntbom1dood loki-42 TasteOfDeath yath_ nalioth Ether_Man shogunx kjdis rosen37 hxizan master_of_master fholmes |
| 19:42.41 | ottohansfritz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.43 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: |bvo| NaRaK Bombo tolecnal Trixsey redguy_ jcreigh dfx- Wyzard h3sp4wn omry riot Heartsbane smacnay__ fluvvell LoRez _milo tuv [Cadet] xerophyte_ GrimWald g333k wols damosu jelly simonrvn gavins lFke helo vorsprung tarzeau XSoul sunny256 nemo CrazyEddy theklone wilymage dawg fluxdude Matt_O SilverWolf valdyn buu GecKo CHodapp k-man_ Shirc keith80403 bcmmason blujay Irrumator |
| 19:42.48 | ottohansfritz | ChrisWhite|Work Knorrie hardlined azeem amphi Bhavesh Olle sepen |
| 19:42.51 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: jes-o-mat nandez__ cCs-WiESEL fluxi Ox0F0-0FF vin` Rez Filbert egypcio jzu_ dimm0k tomaha Lorvija SpComb Lamperi ^smack Malagmyr_ xdr hugofen k-man EdLin ravenbird ead ctx144k lunitik sep Hydroxide Mazingaro dimir Bitmaster psycodad rshakin dr0ne tictac jrf toaster Dewi superlime maple1 Dave123 node` udos Dwonis pingu Nurbs lavi direkt_ kroddn BLarg vertigo baffle ofer0 itchi |
| 19:42.54 | alexscott | ottohansfritz, stop that ship plz |
| 19:42.54 | cydork | wtf? |
| 19:42.55 | ottohansfritz | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:42.57 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: TsN|Hunter jkdsoft setog3 filip JohnDoh jonnylamb clif4d talisein freebsd_fan Niklas-_ diskus Triona nickm_ junix l0wkey mil Cabal Bhaal rvalles phogg XoR zoobieboots De_Mon b0xy|MacPro toraton nvzn Coweater Alam_Debian ChrisWhite eno vithos ElectricElf Jeevan karsten hackeron sassytomato filipe__ Gods_gift ApEtc ekix Dunedan rox Adrian pelzi_ robin_sz ArkoldThos jiriki Richi |
| 19:43.01 | damosu | :S |
| 19:43.02 | dino4k | wtf |
| 19:43.04 | ottohansfritz | H joepa stray_ xopher devi orchid opqdonut Ecnassianer Caitriona |
| 19:43.04 | MatBoy | cydork, he is on more channels |
| 19:43.06 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: tabris|away AceLan TerminX happy_broccoli pngwn Celelibi syntaxis Peggerr Roeland Vyrus001 teh_zor0 annoia teun reto_ nixx RvGaTe inimesekene skrewz tminos JimPanic PecisDarbs azeta neiljp xorllu markw rob locke Xteven sanmarcos Hak`M ahewitt kyuss Kage` znx vega- lurker99 Kvant skidj der0b Covener Bry2k200 bvs madclicker nn-main bibleboy goingtomoonbrb stew awais JMT ShdB pr |
| 19:43.07 | abrotman | PhilKC: PING! |
| 19:43.08 | Alam_Debian | ... |
| 19:43.11 | ottohansfritz | olific DGnome spo0nman Deepa|AFK beardy iswm inzion Anarka desus |
| 19:43.11 | asg | just /ignore ottohansfritz ALL (until the ops arrive) |
| 19:43.11 | cydork | !ops ottohansfritz is spamming |
| 19:43.11 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: ottohansfritz is spamming |
| 19:43.12 | Barnes | kick ban |
| 19:43.13 | PhilKC | abrotman, PONG! |
| 19:43.13 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: magnus_ minerale ivorw jahshua Dibbler_ alice|wl emag ilf lunaphyte_ disasm Squirk gentooguy lilalinux str4 jonas23 insmod predder bottu sk4nK yang Ironhand Pinnen holdenSK xtr-II JoshH Gathond RinzeWind nvz malik beu Kulrak epsilon ekkikrist winX FliesLikeABrick kosola Eclipser finrod ttick rE wookiee panthera evilgeek linuxmigrati|afk BasL inc|freaky sophacles samiam Snake- |
| 19:43.14 | WoodyWoodpecker | Someone kill him !! |
| 19:43.14 | dererk[w] | ! spam |
| 19:43.15 | dpkg | i guess spam is a preferred environment. SPAM; Shut up, You damn Vikings! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM, or to destroy it, try spamassassin (spamd+spamc) , razor or crm114 (but be ready to train it for a week), or http://www.craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt |
| 19:43.18 | ottohansfritz | Eyes Orby Slaughter mooseman447 denmaeth ben42 jdhutchin1 knix |
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| 19:43.18 | *** mode/#debian [+o Maulkin] by ChanServ |
| 19:43.19 | talisein | eeeeh? |
| 19:43.19 | *** kick/#debian [ottohansfritz!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (Maulkin) |
| 19:43.19 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
| 19:43.20 | znx | omg :x |
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| 19:43.26 | SpComb | wow, !ops actually works |
| 19:43.27 | asg | Maulkin: thanks |
| 19:43.29 | ottohansfritz | Gumli frankie chii Ronin rage creyon dondelelcaro roz bam @ChanServ |
| 19:43.29 | cydork | !beer Maulkin |
| 19:43.29 | Maulkin | np |
| 19:43.33 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: |ryan| tuomasi_ pnrfne Gokee2 peterS slummer apt Agrajag- ]Maggie[ nsx paster don_inlab port7 tdn ryan` tam morner gartt christel westside router alindeman jeroenimo dak sussudio [vali] cableroy Edward_TLS danieldg ColdFyre Jimmy_ kapowaz jansenq lee tonsofpcs daxxar pseubodot hollywoodstar bohanlon chrisq RichiH_fallback blur` orafu idimmu tomaw ineiros ryushe @debhelper sco |
| 19:43.33 | yassine | thanks you Maulkin |
| 19:43.33 | omry | kill someone kick that mother fucker? |
| 19:43.33 | asg | SpComb: most of the time |
| 19:43.36 | Ox0F0-0FF | It did this in ##c too |
| 19:43.36 | dino4k | Maulkin: thanks |
| 19:43.37 | dererk[w] | I mean, flood |
| 19:43.38 | ottohansfritz | opex stoffell paw asg kingsley iter decayinginsect loxley_ mith |
| 19:43.39 | cydork | wtf? |
| 19:43.40 | ottohansfritz | * Benutzer in #debian: slon Hadaka avtobiff glitch- anordby rpc _bernie Piggy Locke0 dwu Kevin` nextstate2 CrEeP lws_ yooseong soop ozzloy Maulkin _toast_ djw faked Trewas memic Ta |
| 19:43.45 | asg | omry: he was kicked, chill |
| 19:43.45 | znx | Maulkin: .. there another! |
| 19:43.45 | dererk[w] | :/ |
| 19:43.51 | cydork | Maulkin, he is still there?? |
| 19:43.51 | ottohansfritz | hi guys |
| 19:43.51 | ottohansfritz | just wanted to say hello |
| 19:43.51 | ottohansfritz | to all!!! |
| 19:43.51 | yassine | idiots |
| 19:43.52 | znx | ottohansfritz: !! |
| 19:44.02 | Mitja | rofl |
| 19:44.03 | dererk[w] | Ok, hi then |
| 19:44.05 | fresch | strange way to say "hello" |
| 19:44.08 | Ox0F0-0FF | Damn, how much time it takes to get it's a bot ? |
| 19:44.09 | Mitja | that's polite, lol |
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| 19:44.19 | yassine | very strange |
| 19:44.19 | SpComb | how about we all say bye to him then, eh? ;) |
| 19:44.30 | pelzi_ | staffers should take care of him |
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| 19:44.33 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@61.42.37.46] by Maulkin |
| 19:44.33 | *** kick/#debian [ottohansfritz!n=maulkin@debian/developer/neilm] by Maulkin (Maulkin) |
| 19:44.33 | *** mode/#debian [-o Maulkin] by Maulkin |
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| 19:44.41 | Maulkin | Really stop it this time |
| 19:44.43 | cydork | Maulkin, thanks.. |
| 19:44.46 | factorx | ty |
| 19:44.48 | yassine | i hope so |
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| 19:44.50 | fresch | i wonder what he did? |
| 19:45.05 | fresch | did he intentionally spam, or was it something else? |
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| 19:45.07 | dererk[w] | smoke weed? |
| 19:45.07 | Digamma | Does anyone know how I can undo the list of broken lib files on Synaptic |
| 19:45.11 | Maulkin | it's a spam bot |
| 19:45.13 | pelzi_ | nobody cares |
| 19:45.20 | pelzi_ | he spammed |
| 19:45.21 | Bhaal | Maulkin/UdontKnow: I dont think he realised what happens when you try and say hi to 700+ people... |
| 19:45.27 | Bhaal | Damn newbs |
| 19:45.42 | pelzi_ | doing something like that is stupid enough even if it is not intentional |
| 19:45.44 | Bhaal | Hrm, fairymuff.... |
| 19:45.51 | yassine | wb adil |
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| 19:45.53 | fresch | ok, a spambot, but why spam #debian? |
| 19:45.56 | asg | Maulkin: well, nobody could ever accuse you of working too much |
| 19:45.59 | cydork | Maulkin, no problems.. Well atleast you got some action ;) |
| 19:46.04 | drazak | znx: i don't see him |
| 19:46.06 | asg | fresch: lots of people in here, more people to spam. |
| 19:46.08 | drazak | :P |
| 19:46.14 | znx | drazak: just got banned .. he did |
| 19:46.15 | znx | :P |
| 19:46.20 | drazak | lol |
| 19:46.27 | Maulkin | :) |
| 19:46.36 | drazak | znx: oh goodies |
| 19:46.43 | znx | drazak: indeed .. |
| 19:46.49 | znx | im falling in love with Maulkin now .. |
| 19:46.54 | Maulkin | :) |
| 19:46.57 | drazak | lol |
| 19:47.05 | pelzi_ | how cute |
| 19:47.06 | drazak | debian love... lol |
| 19:47.13 | fresch | spamming in #debian is much like "hacking/defiling" wikipedia... *shrugs* |
| 19:47.24 | Maulkin | Right, meeting over, I'm all yours again :) |
| 19:47.26 | drazak | fresch: nope |
| 19:47.37 | drazak | irc isn't there for awhile without it being seen |
| 19:47.52 | drazak | someone reads everything right away, you can be passively watching |
| 19:47.54 | pelzi_ | and in wikipedia the spammers post porn urls |
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| 19:48.07 | drazak | on wikipedia you have to be actively searchig for a defilement |
| 19:48.21 | pelzi_ | on wikipedia people watch the changelog like hawks |
| 19:48.52 | znx | or .. use a bot to do it for them |
| 19:48.53 | Maulkin | And now, as I'm around, lets stay on topic :) |
| 19:49.03 | drazak | pelzi_: true |
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| 19:49.20 | drazak | but they don't have... 718 people watching the changelog |
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| 19:49.55 | wols | you really think all of #debian is at the keyboard? |
| 19:50.00 | drazak | no |
| 19:50.01 | drazak | but |
| 19:50.07 | drazak | they're here :P |
| 19:50.12 | drazak | it's in this log |
| 19:50.16 | drazak | it's in memory |
| 19:50.23 | asg | wols: there rest of us are in a pub |
| 19:50.30 | drazak | it's also on a server in... well a few servers |
| 19:50.57 | wols | bugger space is finite, especially with #debian |
| 19:50.58 | sandman | Is there a good equalizer program for GNOME or some such? I only seem to get results with XMMS.. or perhaps I should just use that> |
| 19:51.13 | drazak | sandman: alsamixer |
| 19:51.14 | wols | logs are there but no one reads those. at most they're grepped for something |
| 19:51.24 | drazak | sandman: works in every DE |
| 19:51.31 | cydork | !piggy |
| 19:51.32 | dpkg | Piggy logs all you do... Look at debstats.dontexist.org |
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| 19:51.36 | drazak | sandman: open up a term and run alsamixer |
| 19:51.49 | tapas | tarzeau: btw: it was neither kde nor gtk |
| 19:51.50 | sandman | That's a mixer, not an equalizer |
| 19:51.57 | drazak | true |
| 19:52.04 | drazak | lemme check something |
| 19:52.47 | tapas | tarzeau: i forgot to recompile the nvidia x binary only driver |
| 19:52.56 | tapas | tarzeau: which had all kinds of weird effects :) |
| 19:53.45 | Charminthemoose | do the .debs have to exist to get rid of stuff via apt-get? |
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| 19:54.00 | cydork | Charminthemoose, like what? |
| 19:54.18 | Charminthemoose | cydork i don't know |
| 19:54.23 | Charminthemoose | like nmap or something |
| 19:54.51 | asg | Charminthemoose: no, they don't |
| 19:55.06 | asg | Charminthemoose: all the pluming is stored in /var/lib/dpkg/info (pre,postrm scripts etch) |
| 19:55.07 | rem__ | . |
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| 19:55.42 | cydork | hmm he was in a hurry :P |
| 19:56.22 | asg | so it would seem |
| 19:58.35 | abrotman | PhilKC: sorry |
| 19:59.51 | PhilKC | abrotman? |
| 20:00.02 | abrotman | PhilKC: for the ping! .. i didn't think any ops were about |
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| 20:00.45 | abrotman | unless that was an automated response :) |
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| 20:00.55 | PhilKC | abrotman, It wasn't, but no problemo :) |
| 20:01.08 | abrotman | hey .. i just got painted! |
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| 20:02.08 | black_13 | !autogen |
| 20:02.45 | abrotman | .sh ? |
| 20:03.19 | Braindead | !bukkake |
| 20:03.25 | pelzi_ | lol |
| 20:03.34 | pelzi_ | (sarcastic) |
| 20:05.11 | cydork | Braindead, stop watching too much pr0n :) |
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| 20:05.28 | dooglus | can someone help me with ndiswrapper for wireless internet please? |
| 20:05.29 | x_link | abrotman: You know if valdyn will come back soon? |
| 20:05.37 | x_link | I have to run alsaconf again. |
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| 20:05.49 | Kevin` | dooglus what chipset? are you sure you need ndiswrapper? |
| 20:05.50 | d0uglas | dooglus: just ask your question specifically |
| 20:05.50 | asg | dooglus: have you built the module yet? |
| 20:06.01 | abrotman | x_link: you can probably do that on your own don't you think ? |
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| 20:08.15 | Kevin` | dooglus? |
| 20:08.29 | dooglus | Kevin`: "bcmwl5 driver present, hardware present" |
| 20:08.41 | dooglus | Kevin`: I set this up on my mother's laptop about 9 months ago |
| 20:08.44 | dooglus | it was working fine. |
| 20:08.55 | dooglus | now she's just upgraded to dapper from breezy and it's stopped working. |
| 20:08.57 | Kevin` | dooglus there is now an opensource driver for broadcom cards |
| 20:09.18 | Braindead | dooglus: dapper? breezy? ask #ubuntu please |
| 20:09.24 | cydork | dooglus, then you should ask #ubuntu they will know more about it. |
| 20:09.25 | dooglus | aah. |
| 20:09.37 | asg | cydork: that's being optimistic |
| 20:09.40 | Kevin` | dooglus do you have the kernel module installed? |
| 20:09.44 | Kevin` | heh asg |
| 20:09.46 | cydork | asg, shhhh |
| 20:09.55 | dooglus | I thought this was #ubuntu. my mistake. I came here to see why I had been hilighted, only to find it was some idiot with a script listing everyone's names, then forgot to go back... |
| 20:10.00 | dooglus | Kevin`: it's installed, yes. |
| 20:10.08 | cydork | asg, i was being sarcastic :P |
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| 20:10.10 | cureless | maybe we should send a few people to #ubuntu and suggest to people to install debian. |
| 20:10.19 | pelzi_ | :D |
| 20:10.21 | asg | cydork: I know ;) |
| 20:10.26 | dooglus | Kevin`: after a modprobe ndiswrapper, dmesg shows "ndiswrapper version 1.8 loaded" |
| 20:10.30 | pelzi_ | then they would come here and ask stupid questions |
| 20:10.34 | asg | cureless: they'll just claim they are already running it |
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| 20:10.49 | Kevin` | dooglus and ndiswrapper -l shows the driver? |
| 20:10.52 | cydork | cureless, na just go there and ask about udev rules or something :P |
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| 20:10.57 | cureless | hahaha |
| 20:11.05 | dooglus | Kevin`: yup. that was ndiswrapper -l output I pasted earlier. |
| 20:11.10 | unfo | hi all, why don't regular users have sbin in their PATHs by default? |
| 20:11.16 | Kevin` | dooglus iwconfig shows? |
| 20:11.17 | drazak | ewwww ndiswraper |
| 20:11.22 | Braindead | unfo: why should they? |
| 20:11.24 | cydork | Kevin`, he is using ubuntu. what didn't you get? |
| 20:11.24 | asg | unfo: because stuff in /sbin and /usr/sbin is not for regular users. |
| 20:11.26 | dooglus | Kevin`: I'll ask her... |
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| 20:11.37 | d0uglas | while you're there see if you can get anyone to dcc you an iso of goobuntu, google's custom job |
| 20:11.39 | cureless | on a side note, what is ubuntu (and *spire, etc) doing about firefox? are they following debian? |
| 20:11.45 | Kevin` | dooglus you really should use the opensource driver... support the community and all |
| 20:11.54 | unfo | Braindead: so that newbies know why ifconfig, apt-get, etc. won't run |
| 20:12.06 | unfo | they should get a "you are not root" error |
| 20:12.12 | unfo | not a "command not found" IMO. |
| 20:12.25 | dooglus | Kevin`: I would, but she's 1000 miles away, and I'm trying to do what's easiest right now. I know that ndiswrapper was working before the upgrade. |
| 20:12.44 | Braindead | unfo: bad idea. btw apt-get is in the path of users. and they should use aptitude anyway,it's also a lot friendlier to nonroot users |
| 20:12.58 | Kevin` | dooglus can't you connect it to ethernet and get a remote console? |
| 20:13.00 | testing123 | any1 are using kernel 2.6.18 on debian etch beta3? |
| 20:13.05 | unfo | Braindead: but what's the bad idea? |
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| 20:13.09 | unfo | testing123: just ask your question :) |
| 20:13.10 | dooglus | Kevin`: iwconfig shows lo, eth0, sit0 with no wireless extensions, but "eth1" has lots of things... |
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| 20:13.22 | dooglus | Kevin`: that's a possibility. |
| 20:13.24 | Kevin` | dooglus iwlist eth1 scan |
| 20:13.30 | x_link | Can somebody help me please ? I'm having a really annoying prolem. |
| 20:13.33 | asg | unfo: users should all read hier(7) anyway. |
| 20:13.36 | x_link | I have to run alsaconf all the damn time. |
| 20:13.39 | Braindead | unfo: adding it /sbin to the path. they're gonna get EPERM anyway most of the times |
| 20:13.45 | random_user | hi to all... is ipw3945 supported by the kernel 2.6.18? |
| 20:13.46 | x_link | I'm a newbie so I don't know how to fix this =/ |
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| 20:13.53 | unfo | Braindead: that's ok, its better than "command not found" :-) |
| 20:13.57 | random_user | x_link: what's the prob? |
| 20:14.07 | unfo | asg: maybe they should, but they don't. |
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| 20:14.27 | d0uglas | unfo: if everything that ended up in sbin was PATHed, people might get files in their download wares that are duplicates of the sbin's files and that would be bad |
| 20:14.30 | Kevin` | I just made scripts in the user's path that do 'sudo ifconfig' etc |
| 20:14.50 | cydork | Kevin`, really dont encorage ubuntu users in this channel. if you want to help go to #ubuntu or #helpdooglus |
| 20:14.51 | unfo | d0uglas: what is one real-life case where that would happen? |
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| 20:15.11 | d0uglas | what does open source have to do with real-life |
| 20:15.17 | testing123 | kernel 2.6.18 supports sata from controller vt8251? |
| 20:15.19 | dooglus | cydork: I'm a debian user - that's why I'm here. I'm sorry I asked about an ubuntu problem here - that was a mistake |
| 20:15.26 | cureless | d0uglas: doesnt root have sbin in it's path anyway? |
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| 20:15.36 | Baco914 | Göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 20:15.39 | Baco914 | Göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 20:15.40 | Kevin` | cydork well, I can't really answer any ubuntu-specific things anyway... if his question ends up bieng specific to ubuntu i'll tell him that |
| 20:15.42 | Baco914 | Göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 20:15.45 | Baco914 | Göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 20:15.45 | d0uglas | cureless: +1, Informative |
| 20:15.45 | LoRez | Warning: `Baco914' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
| 20:15.46 | abrotman | Baco914: STOP |
| 20:15.47 | Baco914 | Göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
| 20:15.51 | Baco914 | Göcmenlerin ve genclerin tek bulu015fma noktas0131 www.gocmeniz.net |
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| 20:15.54 | asg | unfo: it's the administrator's responsibility to inform new users of such things |
| 20:15.54 | asg | !ops Baco914 |
| 20:15.55 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: Baco914 |
| 20:15.56 | cydork | wtf? not again :( |
| 20:16.02 | Braindead | unfo: I see no difference between a clueless user getting an EPERM and a clueless luser getting command not found. the problem still is the lack of clueness |
| 20:16.21 | pelzi_ | lack of clue. |
| 20:16.26 | Rez | asg: already klined. |
| 20:16.47 | asg | Rez: thanks, was lagging. My apologies. |
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| 20:17.07 | Maulkin | too late for me then |
| 20:17.18 | abrotman | !beer Maulkin .. just for showing up |
| 20:17.26 | rgsteele | What language was he spamming in? |
| 20:17.34 | rgsteele | German? |
| 20:17.40 | d0uglas | his ip's in turkey |
| 20:17.46 | drazak | hej hvad saa? |
| 20:17.53 | drazak | or more accurately |
| 20:17.57 | Maulkin | heh |
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| 20:18.04 | drazak | hej hvad sá |
| 20:18.06 | pelzi_ | seems like a turkic language to me |
| 20:18.08 | dooglus | Bulgarian, I think |
| 20:18.11 | Maulkin | Doesn't look german to me |
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| 20:18.23 | amphi | looks like turkish |
| 20:18.26 | pelzi_ | "ler" is a turkish plural suffix. |
| 20:18.27 | dooglus | googling for www.gocmeniz.net shows 'Bulgaristan göçmenlerini bir araya' |
| 20:18.39 | pelzi_ | afaik. |
| 20:19.04 | cahoot | quite a large turkish population in Bulgaria |
| 20:19.11 | dooglus | obviously. German has a similar letter distribution to English |
| 20:19.27 | pelzi_ | I know about 5 words in another turkic language, and that "lar" and "ler" are plural suffixes. that's it :P |
| 20:19.31 | rgsteele | One of the great perks of graduating with a Comp Sci degree is that the university considered programming our foreign languages. |
| 20:19.41 | asg | rgsteele: haha |
| 20:19.52 | cureless | rgsteele: you're kidding right? |
| 20:20.09 | rgsteele | asg: Nope :) And they're working on Ivy League status now, iirc |
| 20:20.19 | rgsteele | s/asg/cureless/ |
| 20:20.33 | pelzi_ | programming languages and linguistics are an interesting combination |
| 20:20.43 | enouf | still it's a bot/script .. no use in telling it to stop |
| 20:20.44 | rgsteele | I felt sorry for all the saps who woke up at 7am 5 days a week to go to Spanish/French/German |
| 20:20.50 | d0uglas | then again like most spammers who target freenode irc he probably hid his tracks through a turkish host speaking what appears to be turkish just to throw us off the scent |
| 20:21.18 | d0uglas | you can do that with zero day debian technology i heard |
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| 20:21.43 | asg | zero day debian technology? |
| 20:21.54 | rgsteele | Then again, they probably felt sorry for me when I went off to 3 hour computer engineering labs |
| 20:22.08 | d0uglas | asg: if you need to ask, you shouldn't be running zero day debian technology |
| 20:22.16 | d0uglas | it's just irresponsible |
| 20:22.23 | asg | haha |
| 20:23.27 | d0uglas | besides even if you knew the freenode zero day debian technology support channel you'd need the key which is regenerated every microsecond |
| 20:23.44 | streuner | asg: you ever tried "Gimmeldinger Meerspinne"? |
| 20:24.19 | abrotman | wtf |
| 20:24.27 | asg | streuner: No, is it a beer or some sexual aid? |
| 20:24.40 | streuner | asg: german wine |
| 20:24.57 | cureless | so, both? |
| 20:25.06 | asg | streuner: no, I haven't. I'd try it once at least if I could get it in this forsaken town. |
| 20:25.07 | streuner | nah :-) |
| 20:25.22 | streuner | asg: which one? (town) |
| 20:25.22 | zinx | asg: or? |
| 20:25.24 | x_link | Can somebody tell me how I will get out from KDE and come to CLI? |
| 20:25.31 | x_link | So that Iwill just have command line. |
| 20:25.42 | dooglus | x_link: sudo /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:25.45 | cureless | x_link: you will press ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 20:25.55 | asg | streuner: Charlotte. I'm in a pub and the roof is falling in. |
| 20:25.58 | dooglus | cureless: that won't stop KDE |
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| 20:26.11 | cureless | dooglus: that wasn't the question |
| 20:26.31 | enouf | x_link: could also use konsole .. VT with many tabs and buffering |
| 20:26.56 | dooglus | cureless: he wanted to have just command line. that means he doesn't want to have KDE any more. |
| 20:27.01 | asg | zinx: that was an inclusive, not exclusive 'or' by the way |
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| 20:27.03 | x_link | Okey. A guy is helping me with that alsaconf problem. he told me to get out from KDE and use command line |
| 20:27.11 | x_link | Sorry guys |
| 20:27.13 | enouf | x_link: needs to clarify what s/he wants |
| 20:27.14 | x_link | I want to stop KDE |
| 20:27.25 | x_link | What's the command for that ? |
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| 20:27.36 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:27.38 | x_link | Thanks |
| 20:27.45 | zinx | asg: ah |
| 20:27.49 | pelzi_ | sounds like ubuntu |
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| 20:28.08 | x_link | pelzi_: Debian. |
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| 20:28.20 | pelzi_ | don't say "sudo" here ;) |
| 20:28.28 | cureless | pelzi_: it wouldn't be ubuntu, kubuntu at any rate. |
| 20:28.30 | pelzi_ | people get the wrong impression |
| 20:28.34 | enouf | pelzi_: users using GUIs usually need sudo or root to get permission |
| 20:28.48 | unfo | asg: not everyone has a sysadmin. |
| 20:28.51 | pelzi_ | cureless: I don't care if it's hubuntu ;) |
| 20:29.08 | unfo | Braindead: no, an EPERM is a much more obvious error message for the clueless to see and learn from :) |
| 20:29.13 | asg | unfo: then have the system automatically mail the new user with helpful advice and tips. |
| 20:29.15 | dooglus | is there a quick and easy way to remove all the iptables rules? |
| 20:29.26 | unfo | asg: har har har |
| 20:29.26 | cureless | dooglus: yes |
| 20:29.27 | streuner | iptables -F? |
| 20:29.29 | dooglus | ie. to leave it allowing everything? |
| 20:29.48 | asg | unfo: the 'adduser' script for creating new users has this functionality |
| 20:29.59 | nvzn | iptables -F all && iptables -P INPUT ACCEPT |
| 20:30.13 | asg | unfo: that's what Windows is for |
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| 20:30.42 | unfo | asg: debian should not require a sysadmin. |
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| 20:31.05 | asg | unfo: come on, now you are just trolling |
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| 20:31.26 | not_benh | any one know why eterm is not in testing? it's in stable and unstable but not in testing? I couldnt find any thing on it? |
| 20:31.28 | unfo | asg: my intention is not to troll. i think debian should be easier to use. |
| 20:31.32 | PumpkinPie | I have a 400 GB drive but it says available 360 or something... How can I partition and format it to get the most space ? |
| 20:31.51 | beardy | unfo: Ease of use always comes at the expense of freedom. |
| 20:31.51 | unfo | not_benh: /usr/bin/grep-excuses eterm |
| 20:32.03 | d0uglas | unfo: apt-cache can't seem to find Sysadmin in a Box... maybe you could run msconfig using wine |
| 20:32.05 | beardy | unfo: and/or power |
| 20:32.05 | asg | unfo: it is easy to use. Stuff in /sbin and /usr/sbin is not for users. It is for root and system administrators. |
| 20:32.07 | unfo | beardy: *always*? |
| 20:32.27 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:32.28 | streuner | unfo: if you able to read, you can use debian. |
| 20:32.31 | asg | unfo: if they need to use these programs, they will have enough clue to know where to look. |
| 20:32.36 | unfo | d0uglas: hmm, good idea. i should check first at http://appdb.winehq.org if its supported though. |
| 20:32.39 | d0uglas | x_link: the desktop manager |
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| 20:32.52 | unfo | asg: unless they were told to run those apps by google :) |
| 20:32.56 | cureless | PumpkinPie: the filesystem reserves some space for root (5%), you can reduce that. |
| 20:33.06 | unfo | streuner: i respectfully disagree. |
| 20:33.10 | beardy | x_link: What d0uglas said, and if you are logged in through it, stopping it will close your session too, yes. |
| 20:33.19 | asg | unfo: google will also show them the relevant path. |
| 20:33.20 | pelzi_ | PumpkinPie: and a 400g drive is not really 400g, it is a marketing trick |
| 20:33.25 | unfo | asg: not always |
| 20:33.32 | x_link | Okey.- |
| 20:33.46 | x_link | I just wan tot stop KDE totaly, so that I can come to CLi. I will do it now. Thanks alot for the help guys ! |
| 20:33.46 | streuner | unfo: well, most of us aren't geniuses here, do you think its that hard to use it then? |
| 20:33.58 | not_benh | unfo: grep-excuses not found? am I missing a package? |
| 20:34.28 | beardy | x_link: You always have your 6 (by default) vty:s, just Ctrl-Alt-F1 to F6, F7 is your X. |
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| 20:34.45 | unfo | not_benh: yes. apt-get install devscripts |
| 20:34.55 | not_benh | unfo: cool thanks |
| 20:35.10 | unfo | not_benh: np. tell us what it answers |
| 20:35.11 | beardy | x_link: You don't have to stop anything to switch o a vty. |
| 20:35.17 | not_benh | unfo: sure thing |
| 20:35.17 | d0uglas | hey how come i can't connect at 57600.. and why are my uploads only going 33,600, and why does everything seem to go an 8th of the reported throughput |
| 20:35.20 | unfo | streuner: it took me 5 years on and off to learn linux. |
| 20:35.22 | Seb | sup y'all |
| 20:35.23 | streuner | unfo: and let me say that, debian has a clear concept and easy way to handle problems, i think its easy to use. |
| 20:35.25 | unfo | streuner: and im still a newbie. |
| 20:35.41 | Seb | I can record sound using -D plughw, but if I don't pass arecord this argument it doesn't record anything. Is there any system-wide setting of alsa that'd make plughw the default for recording ? |
| 20:35.49 | x_link | That's what I said |
| 20:35.50 | streuner | unfo: you have to learn always, no matter which OS's... |
| 20:35.53 | x_link | gmd is for GNOMe |
| 20:35.54 | x_link | I use kde |
| 20:35.55 | x_link | sedde@c83-249-192-67:~$ /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 20:35.56 | x_link | Stopping GNOME Display Manager: gdm. |
| 20:35.59 | not_benh | unfo: ok to paste 5 lines? |
| 20:36.04 | Seb | not_benh: no |
| 20:36.04 | Guerin | no |
| 20:36.06 | unfo | not_benh: it'll autokick you |
| 20:36.08 | Guerin | !paster |
| 20:36.08 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:36.20 | x_link | Shouldn't it be kdm ? |
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| 20:36.31 | cureless | x_link: you can use any of the login managers for any desktop. |
| 20:36.33 | d0uglas | x_link: no big whoop, you can use either dm for either wm |
| 20:36.40 | streuner | unfo: so is life, you have to learn... |
| 20:36.46 | unfo | streuner: IMO Unix/Linux requires more learning than Windows. So, I believe sbin should be in all users' paths to make it easier. :) |
| 20:36.55 | Seb | hmmm, no ALSA guru in here ? :> |
| 20:36.58 | beardy | x_link: Doesn't matter, you might run gdm, xdm or kdm, if you logged in through it and run whatever window manager or desktop, shutting down the display manager will kill your session of whatever window manager/dekstop. |
| 20:37.05 | beardy | Seb: Just ask. |
| 20:37.05 | Guerin | wtf |
| 20:37.10 | x_link | It didn't work |
| 20:37.11 | Seb | beardy: i did :) |
| 20:37.11 | zinx | unfo: uhm, the binaries in sbin are supposed to be useless to non-root users |
| 20:37.12 | d0uglas | unfo: Linux /offers/ not requires |
| 20:37.14 | asg | Guerin: your guess is as good as mine |
| 20:37.15 | Guerin | normal users have no business using anything in *sbin |
| 20:37.20 | cureless | unfo: IMHO that's not necesarily true. |
| 20:37.27 | not_benh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4092 |
| 20:37.37 | asg | Guerin: I say we scrap the hierarchial filesystem thing and just go with /start-menu |
| 20:37.39 | beardy | x_link: Then you didn't start kde through your display manager. |
| 20:37.46 | unfo | zinx: that's ok. what i am saying is that trying to run ifconfig or some such should not say "command not found." instead it should say "error: you are not root" |
| 20:37.47 | enouf | x_link: cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 20:37.51 | Guerin | if they CAN use some things, it's GOOD that they should have to type /sbin before the command, to REMIND them that they're doing something exceptional |
| 20:37.59 | Guerin | asg: yeah |
| 20:38.11 | d0uglas | i can't believe everybody's password on my isp is *, that's just asking for trouble |
| 20:38.12 | PF | Is there a "Clean", "Easy" way to remove all X-windows related packages (including xfree86), without destroying the system? |
| 20:38.19 | Guerin | we could just have two dirs: My Computer and Programs! |
| 20:38.26 | unfo | PF: are you low on disk space? |
| 20:38.27 | asg | d0uglas: you're looking in the wrong place |
| 20:38.33 | streuner | unfo: i installed two systems the last 2 weeks, debian and 98, guess where i got more headaches... |
| 20:38.37 | Guerin | d0uglas: my passwords are all ******** |
| 20:38.39 | PF | unfo: Not really |
| 20:38.50 | unfo | PF: then what seems to be the matter? |
| 20:38.54 | PF | unfo: 22% used |
| 20:38.55 | beardy | PF: Depends on what you have installed, some things depend on X things, even if it seems stupid or not logical, so you can't always get rid of them. |
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| 20:39.02 | asg | PF: /msg dpkg remove x |
| 20:39.06 | unfo | streuner: that's because you're now good at using debian. |
| 20:39.16 | PF | thank's, asg |
| 20:39.19 | PumpkinPie | do the reserve blocks on my partition use space ? |
| 20:39.22 | asg | PF: you're welcome |
| 20:39.24 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: yes. |
| 20:39.27 | streuner | unfo: no, that's because debian is easy ;-) |
| 20:39.30 | cureless | unfo: the same can be said about windows. |
| 20:39.35 | PumpkinPie | Guerin: like how much space? |
| 20:39.49 | cureless | PumpkinPie: 5% probably. |
| 20:39.49 | asg | Guerin: I say we replace X with a big red 'Do Stuff' button. |
| 20:39.51 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: however much space they take up; by default 5% of every volume |
| 20:39.52 | unfo | PF: are you sure you want to remove X? why? |
| 20:40.05 | Guerin | asg: PRODUCTIVITY ENHANCER |
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| 20:40.33 | not_benh | unfo: dont know what this really means? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4092 |
| 20:40.34 | PumpkinPie | Guerin: it says %5 so on a 400 gig drive Id lose 20 gigs? |
| 20:40.37 | asg | Guerin: you mean PRODUCT~1.EXE |
| 20:40.45 | cureless | PumpkinPie: yes |
| 20:41.01 | cureless | PumpkinPie: though you didn't lose them, they're there |
| 20:41.02 | d0uglas | unnecessary mouse clicking costs the US economy roughly $1.8b/year in lost productivity |
| 20:41.13 | PF | unfo: First, I'm running "Sarge" on a SS20. Secondly, having X running slows the system down somewhat. Third, I really don't use X-windows |
| 20:41.14 | PumpkinPie | I asked asked how I can create a partition with maximum space and no one said anything? |
| 20:41.15 | streuner | unfo: Linux in general had only one big issue, configure X, if you have a supported videocard most things are easy then. |
| 20:41.33 | unfo | not_benh: " Too young, only 9 of 10 days old " means it needs to be tested 9 days before going into testing. |
| 20:41.35 | cureless | PumpkinPie: not everybody was paying attention. No answer doesn't mean your question was right. |
| 20:41.40 | d0uglas | PF: fourth, you're really good at counting |
| 20:41.45 | unfo | not_benh: Consider installing eterm from stable. |
| 20:41.50 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: they're reserved for root for VERY GOOD REASONS |
| 20:41.58 | Kassah | I recieved this message while working today... when I got to the machine it was fine though... |
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| 20:42.03 | Kassah | http://pastebin.ca/207154 |
| 20:42.05 | unfo | streuner: also wi-fi is often an issue. |
| 20:42.07 | PF | Thank's, Doug |
| 20:42.10 | unfo | but thats not my point |
| 20:42.12 | PumpkinPie | what are the affects of using 1% or less? |
| 20:42.20 | unfo | PF: what is an SS20? |
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| 20:42.26 | asg | unfo: Sun Sparcstation |
| 20:42.28 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: if root runs out of disk space, Bad Shit Can Happen |
| 20:42.30 | unfo | oh. |
| 20:42.37 | PF | unfo: SparcStation-20 |
| 20:42.38 | cureless | PumpkinPie: depending on what partition you're talking about you might be safe in removing them. It depends on the use of the partition. To change them, you can use tune2fs. |
| 20:42.45 | Kassah | anyone have an idea of what it means? I can't find any mention of it in my /var/log/syslog |
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| 20:43.03 | unfo | PF: i suggest, instead of removing X, you just not run it. then, if you ever will need it, it's easier. |
| 20:43.12 | cureless | PumpkinPie: asuming you're using ext2/3. Don't get rid of reserved space on your root partition or /var (if that is separate). |
| 20:43.16 | PF | unfo: Very good point |
| 20:43.20 | beardy | Kassah: Next time, put your pastebin url in the same message as your question. |
| 20:43.22 | PumpkinPie | everything is in one partition on my system |
| 20:43.36 | asg | Kassah: is it in /var/log/kern.log? |
| 20:43.38 | cureless | PumpkinPie: then reduce the reserved space to 1% |
| 20:43.38 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: so you NEED that spare space |
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| 20:43.50 | PumpkinPie | ? |
| 20:43.56 | d0uglas | i feel bad for regular computer users, they really haven't tapped the ultra high levels of humor mankind is capable of as demonstrated here all the time |
| 20:43.59 | PumpkinPie | Guerin, cureless? |
| 20:44.00 | PF | unfo: I'll research on howto to disable X-windows |
| 20:44.02 | unfo | PumpkinPie: if your debian breaks, you get to keep both pieces. :) |
| 20:44.03 | asg | unfo: if he needs to re-install it, he can always follow the easy instructions in our 'set up x' factoid. |
| 20:44.10 | Kassah | cat /var/log/kern.log | grep panic <-- Nope |
| 20:44.17 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: disk is cheap. |
| 20:44.19 | cureless | PumpkinPie: don't get rid of it completely. I say you're safe in reducing to 1% (4G). |
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| 20:44.34 | PumpkinPie | cureless: yeah probably am.. |
| 20:44.39 | asg | Kassah: grep -ilr panic /var/log (see if it exists in anything else) |
| 20:44.42 | unfo | asg: the sparcstations i've seen have mostly been pretty slow :) |
| 20:44.48 | d0uglas | 4GB? do you have any idea how much pron that is? |
| 20:44.52 | cureless | PumpkinPie: though, if the system is new, I would suggest not having everything in 1 partition. |
| 20:45.06 | drazak | µ´/win 25 |
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| 20:45.10 | Kassah | asg: /var/log/ksymoops/20061010173047.ksyms |
| 20:45.15 | unfo | PF: may i recommend you some excellent books about linux? |
| 20:45.22 | PF | sure |
| 20:45.29 | unfo | "Running Linux" is one |
| 20:45.32 | Kassah | asg: as well as a few other numbers... I assume those are dates |
| 20:45.38 | Guerin | !debian system |
| 20:45.39 | dpkg | debian system is probably The Debian System is a book written by DD madduck, aka Martin Krafft. See http://debiansystem.info |
| 20:45.45 | Guerin | that ↑ is another |
| 20:45.53 | asg | unfo: they are prefectly fine for a lot of tasks. |
| 20:45.53 | beardy | !tell PF about grounding |
| 20:45.58 | beardy | !tell PF about reference |
| 20:46.02 | beardy | There are some. |
| 20:46.21 | streuner | !nuke abrotman |
| 20:46.27 | asg | unfo: my Zaurus has more processing power and ram than my gateway OpenBSD box which handles all my mail, website, dns, etc. |
| 20:46.38 | streuner | o_O |
| 20:47.14 | streuner | asg and his OpenBSD fetish :-) |
| 20:47.20 | Kassah | asg: ahh.. thanks... that helps =) |
| 20:47.34 | asg | Kassah: you're welcome |
| 20:47.43 | asg | streuner: I like the songs |
| 20:47.45 | unfo | asg: anyway its more impressive to show Firefox and xgl than linux console to show off how cool Debian is :) |
| 20:48.08 | cydork | unfo, i just show my uptime :) |
| 20:48.10 | beardy | unfo: Depends on your definition of cool. |
| 20:48.14 | streuner | asg: hm, i've never heard these songs from my CD's |
| 20:48.29 | asg | unfo: it's more impressive to show someone how you can munge many gigs of logfiles into a comprehensive report with some simple perl one lines when doing so makes Excel crash. |
| 20:48.35 | beardy | Is xgl in Debian now? |
| 20:48.41 | streuner | no |
| 20:48.42 | cydork | beardy, nope |
| 20:48.45 | unfo | why not? |
| 20:48.53 | streuner | beardy: read gravity's blog |
| 20:48.54 | unfo | my sister doesnt care about logfiles, she likes eye candy. |
| 20:49.00 | asg | streuner: the new 4.0 release also has a companion audio CD you can buy with all the songs going back to 3.0 |
| 20:49.06 | streuner | because gravity decided so |
| 20:49.06 | beardy | unfo: Because it's not ready, I suppose. |
| 20:49.11 | unfo | oh :( |
| 20:49.11 | abrotman | streuner: huh ? |
| 20:49.12 | streuner | no |
| 20:49.15 | asg | unfo: then buy her Vista or a Mac |
| 20:49.19 | d0uglas | I can't believe i spent so many all nighters trying to get fglrx working with my ati when all i had to do was youtube xgl.. got my fill from the videos, now back to the command line |
| 20:49.27 | streuner | abrotman: hm, wondering if you awake or not |
| 20:49.27 | unfo | in fact, the majority of ppl prefer eye candy over uptime. that's why Vista and Mac are so popular. |
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| 20:49.38 | abrotman | streuner: sometimes i actually have to work :) |
| 20:49.41 | unfo | d0uglas: haha |
| 20:49.48 | beardy | unfo: You know what the majority of people are, right? |
| 20:49.52 | cureless | unfo: I disagree. |
| 20:49.54 | streuner | abrotman: hm |
| 20:49.55 | Guerin | i don't care about uptime for desktops |
| 20:50.00 | Guerin | I care about functionality |
| 20:50.03 | unfo | i mean "the majority of non-geeks" :) |
| 20:50.06 | Guerin | that's the reason I use unix |
| 20:50.21 | cureless | people want functionality and usability, not eye-candy. |
| 20:50.28 | Guerin | and I care about free software :) |
| 20:50.36 | Maulkin | Guys... can we a) calm it down a little and b) keep it focused on Debian Support? |
| 20:50.36 | cureless | eye candy can be tied to both functionality and usability. |
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| 20:50.52 | beardy | cureless: Yes. |
| 20:50.54 | asg | people want web, mail, videos and don't particularly care how it looks or how it's delivered. |
| 20:50.56 | d0uglas | Maulkin: don't for get c) write in outline format |
| 20:50.58 | streuner | Maulkin: those people who want and ask get help |
| 20:51.03 | glanze | is there a debian-way to prevent kernel modules from loading? |
| 20:51.11 | asg | glanze: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 20:51.25 | beardy | asg: Damn you're fast today.. |
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| 20:51.35 | unfo | Guerin: mind to join me in, um, ##debian-mentors? |
| 20:51.42 | streuner | Maulkin: there is nobody (i know) who didn't get help. |
| 20:51.45 | asg | beardy: I don't know what crack I was on last night though ;) |
| 20:51.46 | cydork | beardy, ask him where is he? :) |
| 20:51.59 | beardy | cydork: Who? |
| 20:52.05 | beardy | cydork: asg? |
| 20:52.09 | Maulkin | streuner: I'm not going to argue. We've been over this before |
| 20:52.15 | cydork | beardy, yep |
| 20:52.20 | streuner | DOH |
| 20:52.21 | Guerin | unfo: i think you might be misoverestimating my 1337n355 |
| 20:52.40 | beardy | cydork: He's in asgland, either at the pub, at asgwork or asghouse, I think. |
| 20:52.50 | unfo | Guerin: no, it's just that the sbin debate seems OT here :) |
| 20:52.59 | asg | beardy: asgpub |
| 20:53.07 | cureless | half the things here are offtopic |
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| 20:53.24 | d0uglas | cureless: half? that's pretty good |
| 20:53.33 | beardy | Let's discuss what is and what is not on topic, that is very on topic.. |
| 20:53.36 | streuner | cureless: that happens sometimes, not always, right. |
| 20:53.40 | d0uglas | beardy: heh |
| 20:53.41 | Guerin | unfo: oh, i don't really care about it |
| 20:53.49 | glanze | asg: thanks a lot |
| 20:53.55 | asg | glanze: you're welcome |
| 20:53.56 | unfo | i like debating :) |
| 20:54.07 | cydork | unfo, go to ##linux :P |
| 20:54.16 | Guerin | unfo: i do too, but only about things which are worth debating. |
| 20:54.24 | cureless | looking at my screen, the only on topic topic was the blacklist question, 2 lines. |
| 20:54.30 | unfo | and sbin isn't worth debating? |
| 20:54.39 | unfo | i still strongly believe i am right. |
| 20:55.04 | cydork | unfo, then there is no point in debating. is there? |
| 20:55.07 | beardy | unfo: No, it's done the way it's done for a reason. |
| 20:55.10 | amphi | unfo: how unusual ;) |
| 20:55.11 | asg | unfo: I believe all beer should be free for me |
| 20:55.16 | unfo | asg: haha |
| 20:55.24 | unfo | beardy: where is the reason documented? |
| 20:55.25 | cydork | asg, beer and sex :P |
| 20:55.38 | beardy | unfo: Common *nix sense. |
| 20:55.41 | asg | cydork: beer, sex, and unix |
| 20:55.46 | enouf | my opinion is that your opinion sux |
| 20:55.47 | stew | yeah, where is all of this free beer i've been hearing about? i'll trade some of my free speech for free beer |
| 20:55.49 | d0uglas | you know, if you rename nano to pico, you can migrate to the latest text editing technology without getting as confused |
| 20:55.52 | streuner | asg: Ian dury ;-) |
| 20:55.53 | beardy | unfo: If you're talking about why /sbin is /sbin. |
| 20:56.00 | cydork | asg, unix is already free ;) |
| 20:56.01 | unfo | beardy: i dont understand |
| 20:56.08 | Guerin | streuner: if you have enough free beer, your speech gets even freer! |
| 20:56.11 | asg | cydork: well, some is. |
| 20:56.28 | d0uglas | it's useful if you want to get your mom using nano instead of pico without telling her |
| 20:56.28 | asg | Guerin: quite right |
| 20:56.29 | unfo | i mean why sbin is not in non-root users' PATH. |
| 20:56.29 | Guerin | stew: if you have enough free beer, your speech gets even freer! |
| 20:56.29 | cydork | asg, hehe |
| 20:56.35 | Guerin | unfo: stupid idea. No argument. There's no upside. |
| 20:56.36 | asg | unfo: as we've said before, people what aren't root don't need what's in /sbin |
| 20:56.37 | streuner | Guerin: :-) |
| 20:56.38 | beardy | unfo: Root is the only one that should be able to run things that are menat to be run as root. And they should be placed in the place assigned to them. |
| 20:56.46 | stew | Guerin: hah |
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| 20:57.03 | unfo | it sounds like everyone is ignoring my newbie argument. |
| 20:57.14 | unfo | newbies should be told EPERM instead of just "command not found". |
| 20:57.16 | streuner | you aren't a newbie |
| 20:57.18 | Guerin | unfo: newbies have no business running root stuff |
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| 20:57.46 | beardy | unfo: It's not in their path because they should not run things therein, and if they want, they can run them as /sbin/ifconfig, that's probably the most usual thing they want to run. |
| 20:57.47 | d0uglas | business? but this is open source |
| 20:57.52 | unfo | many newbies are the only sysadmins of their own system. |
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| 20:57.55 | Guerin | unfo: newbies need to learn the conceptual difference between 'root stuff' and 'not root stuff' |
| 20:57.57 | dan2 | asg: aye |
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| 20:58.01 | stew | unfo: if newbies should be running those commands, they should be moved from /sbin or /usr/sbin to /bin or /usr/bin |
| 20:58.03 | beardy | unfo: Then they learn. |
| 20:58.19 | unfo | beardy: i am arguing debian should make it easy for them to learn. |
| 20:58.32 | asg | unfo: it does, that's why manpages and books were invented. |
| 20:58.33 | streuner | why? |
| 20:58.36 | Guerin | unfo: debian can easily be learnt by anyone who can and will read. |
| 20:58.37 | beardy | unfo: Start learning instead of arguing and you'll learn faster. |
| 20:58.47 | unfo | asg: who reads those? people use google quite often nowadays. |
| 20:58.47 | asg | dan2: hiya, what's up? |
| 20:58.55 | cydork | unfo, have looked at new gui-installer?? |
| 20:58.59 | streuner | there is no need for debian to make things easy to use for everyone |
| 20:58.59 | dan2 | asg: working on some java stuff bleh |
| 20:59.00 | beardy | ... |
| 20:59.02 | abrotman | unfo: that's their problem .. not debian's |
| 20:59.03 | unfo | cydork: yes, i love it. |
| 20:59.09 | asg | unfo: and generally, google will return manpages |
| 20:59.11 | d0uglas | unfo: some people google for man pages |
| 20:59.16 | Guerin | unfo: manpages and such often show up on google |
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| 20:59.20 | ohad | hello. can anyone recommand a good hosting service that can give me 80-120gigs of hd and about 1 tera of bandwidth? |
| 20:59.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 20:59.23 | d0uglas | i win |
| 20:59.23 | Guerin | !gmta |
| 20:59.24 | dpkg | somebody said gmta was great minds think alike, or see gmafta |
| 20:59.32 | unfo | some google for tutorials instead, |
| 20:59.42 | Guerin | ohad: mega-spamhost.com |
| 20:59.48 | unfo | Guerin: i agree 100%. but i think that debian should be usable even if you dont read the docs. |
| 20:59.56 | abrotman | it is usable |
| 21:00.02 | unfo | *easy to use |
| 21:00.03 | cydork | ohad, 1 tera? opening a pr0n site?? |
| 21:00.11 | abrotman | unfo: it is easy to use |
| 21:00.14 | beardy | unfo: It is. |
| 21:00.16 | enouf | unfo it is |
| 21:00.21 | unfo | *easy to administer |
| 21:00.23 | cureless | unfo: the people that need those commands easy to use can use frontends. |
| 21:00.24 | ohad | cydork, nope |
| 21:00.24 | abrotman | i've found debian to be a lot less 'locked down' than other Linux distros |
| 21:00.24 | Guerin | ohad: or maybe Oct 17 20:44:33 feayn postfix/smtpd[2844]: lost connection after RSET from softbank220001020111.bbtec.net[220.1.20.111] |
| 21:00.26 | enouf | unfo it is |
| 21:00.29 | asg | unfo: it is |
| 21:00.33 | abrotman | it's SUPER easy to admin! |
| 21:00.35 | beardy | unfo: It is. |
| 21:00.42 | unfo | not for my family members. |
| 21:00.45 | beardy | unfo: Learn and do. |
| 21:00.46 | stew | unfo: it ins't and shouldn't be |
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| 21:00.50 | cydork | unfo, how hard is it to use nano or any other editor? |
| 21:00.51 | asg | unfo: how many do you have? |
| 21:00.54 | unfo | 4 |
| 21:01.05 | enouf | now you know where the problem lies |
| 21:01.05 | cureless | unfo: what is the problem with your family? |
| 21:01.05 | abrotman | the dog doesn't count |
| 21:01.06 | asg | unfo: pshaw, that's easy. Try 70k |
| 21:01.09 | unfo | my brother switched away from ubuntu to mac. |
| 21:01.11 | beardy | unfo: Set up kde for them and teach them what a mouse is. |
| 21:01.22 | beardy | unfo: Or another window manager if you want. |
| 21:01.27 | unfo | my sister whined until my dad reformatted the pc while fuming about stupid linux |
| 21:01.35 | unfo | my mom didnt know the username or password to use. |
| 21:01.42 | unfo | my dad hates linux by association. |
| 21:01.43 | abrotman | sounds like a PEBCAK to me |
| 21:01.43 | beardy | unfo: TELL HER then. |
| 21:01.47 | cureless | unfo: how does /sbin solve any of those problems? |
| 21:01.50 | sepski | unfo, normal people should not admin computers. they should use them, much in the same way a normal person dont tune their own car engines. mechanics do. |
| 21:01.56 | cydork | unfo, setup a kisok ;) |
| 21:01.57 | annoia | Does Debian have some place it sets the prefix for programs you compile from scratch, or is it all in the program? |
| 21:02.12 | cureless | annoia: that's in the program, default is /usr/local |
| 21:02.13 | annoia | s/program/configure-script/ |
| 21:02.14 | unfo | cureless: it doesnt |
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| 21:02.20 | annoia | cureless - Ok, thanks. |
| 21:02.20 | asg | annoia: ./configure --help |
| 21:02.31 | unfo | annoia: just curious: what did you compile from scratch? |
| 21:02.33 | cureless | annoia: it's not a debian default |
| 21:02.36 | streuner | Maulkin: ^^^^ |
| 21:02.38 | annoia | unfo - Beryl |
| 21:03.07 | unfo | searching... |
| 21:03.19 | d0uglas | unfo: i agree 100%.. someone should invent a software suite that automatically goes control+alt+f1, "apt-get update;apt-get upgrade", alt+f7 like, every 24 hours.. that would save everyone so much time. |
| 21:03.34 | unfo | d0uglas: ubuntu has it: it's called update-manager |
| 21:03.34 | niles | is there a program like netstat that keeps displaying and updating result? such as top to ps ? |
| 21:03.43 | dooglus | Kevin`: I finally managed to get a wired connection to the laptop. |
| 21:03.47 | unfo | i believe it's in debian but i bet it's not in the default install. |
| 21:03.47 | asg | d0uglas: you can use chvt(1) instead of ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 21:03.48 | beardy | d0uglas: auto-apt or whatsitcalled |
| 21:03.56 | Nameeater | niles: watch netstat |
| 21:03.58 | d0uglas | unfo: yes but what if i prefer kde |
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| 21:04.06 | unfo | d0uglas: kubuntu |
| 21:04.10 | beardy | d0uglas: Most things are there, you need to learn to search. |
| 21:04.11 | cydork | unfo, that's is there in debian too. i have seen similar thing for gnome. |
| 21:04.13 | d0uglas | Brililant! |
| 21:04.19 | beardy | d0uglas: /msg dpkg search |
| 21:04.20 | dooglus | Kevin`: running "iwlist eth1 scan" tells me "eth1 Interface doesn't support scanning : No such device" |
| 21:04.31 | asg | d0uglas: I never got 'chvt plaid' to work though :( |
| 21:04.33 | niles | well i would like to pipe netstat for grep so when my port opens it will display as expected |
| 21:04.34 | unfo | annoia: "0 sites and 0 packages matched. Search took 41.042 seconds." ok just checking :) |
| 21:04.34 | Kevin` | dooglus yet iwconfig shows it as there? |
| 21:04.37 | d0uglas | this dpkg guy thinks he knows everything |
| 21:04.49 | annoia | unfo - Well, it _is_ out for ubuntu... |
| 21:04.58 | niles | like how tcpdump watches in real time |
| 21:05.01 | unfo | apt-get.org doesnt search ubuntu repos???? |
| 21:05.05 | cydork | niles watch -n 5 netstat :P |
| 21:05.10 | dooglus | Kevin`: iwconfig shows "eth1 IEEE 802.11b ESSID: "linksys" Nickname: ..." and 7 other lines |
| 21:05.12 | annoia | unfo - I'm just using svn because I'm a bastard :) |
| 21:05.13 | asg | niles: man watch |
| 21:05.14 | streuner | unfo: no |
| 21:05.15 | niles | oh i see |
| 21:05.20 | niles | my apologies |
| 21:05.20 | unfo | streuner: odd |
| 21:05.24 | niles | thats the command name |
| 21:05.27 | niles | thanx fellaz |
| 21:05.27 | Kevin` | dooglus does it show AP: |
| 21:05.29 | Nameeater | niles: oops ;) |
| 21:05.31 | Kevin` | and a mac address |
| 21:05.38 | dooglus | Kevin`: nope |
| 21:05.38 | streuner | unfo: /msg dpkg backports |
| 21:05.43 | unfo | annoia: compiling from source is not recommended. |
| 21:05.53 | unfo | streuner: if it was a backport wouldn't it have shown up on apt-get.org? |
| 21:06.03 | unfo | *a backport from ubuntu |
| 21:06.06 | Kevin` | dooglus try unloading and reloading ndiswrapper, that's odd |
| 21:06.13 | streuner | unfo: no |
| 21:06.13 | Kevin` | and check dmesg for errors |
| 21:06.18 | annoia | unfo - Using anything but Microsoft is not recommended.. It all depends on who you're asking :) |
| 21:06.36 | streuner | unfo: all packages are made for *debian* (backports.org) |
| 21:07.01 | d0uglas | but debian is based on ubuntu |
| 21:07.08 | dooglus | Kevin`: lots of "bcm43xx: Error: Microcode "..." not available or load failed" errors |
| 21:07.10 | annoia | dooglus - Err... |
| 21:07.10 | enouf | troll |
| 21:07.14 | cydork | wtf? |
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| 21:07.27 | annoia | d0uglas even.. |
| 21:07.36 | enouf | !knoppixsmite d0uglas |
| 21:07.38 | streuner | unfo: some DD's had a genius idea, how we solve the problem with newer packages and older stable branch, they created backports |
| 21:07.42 | d0uglas | dooglus which broadcom are you using |
| 21:07.43 | unfo | many ubuntu packages work ok on debian. so i'm surprised apt-get.org doesn't find them and deliver them to you, perhaps with a warning. |
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| 21:07.53 | Kevin` | dooglus it looks like you are using the opensource broadcom driver.. but without the firmware |
| 21:07.59 | streuner | unfo: bobbitt |
| 21:08.08 | dooglus | annoia: debian is relatively new. everyone here was using windows until Mark Shuttleworth had the idea of building ubuntu from scratch in 6 months. don't you know anything? |
| 21:08.12 | PF | Douglas is a "Meanie" |
| 21:08.17 | streuner | unfo: packages are different, you shouldn't use them. |
| 21:08.19 | Kevin` | dooglus having that AND ndiswrapper loaded will cause problems, use one or the other |
| 21:08.34 | streuner | dooglus: no |
| 21:08.37 | dooglus | Kevin`: interesting. what makes you think I'm using the opensource driver? |
| 21:08.39 | Kevin` | I was using debian before ubuntu existed.. |
| 21:08.48 | Kevin` | dooglus bcm54xx is the name of that driver |
| 21:08.55 | annoia | dooglus - Yeah, it's all based on dos anyway... :) |
| 21:09.01 | d0uglas | i mean, why do you think #ubuntu, according to the latest wikipedia and netcraft statistics, is 30% larger than #debian? |
| 21:09.10 | dooglus | Kevin`: oh, I see. so I should just unload ndiswrapper? |
| 21:09.12 | annoia | ow... :/ |
| 21:09.19 | unfo | streuner: if they happen work, its much easier than compiling from source. |
| 21:09.25 | unfo | *happen to work |
| 21:09.33 | x_link | When I start my computer I automaticly come to that login window. |
| 21:09.36 | x_link | enouf. |
| 21:09.39 | Kevin` | dooglus unload them both, install the firmware properly according to ubuntu docs, wherever those are, and reload the opensource one |
| 21:09.43 | enouf | x_link: .. |
| 21:09.48 | streuner | unfo: well, its easy to use those, but i wouldn't recommend |
| 21:09.49 | cureless | x_link: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:09.49 | x_link | So I should just type cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager ? |
| 21:09.54 | Kevin` | dooglus good time to ask the ubuntu people :) |
| 21:09.54 | enouf | yep |
| 21:10.04 | dooglus | Kevin`: how do I unload the opensource driver? I don't remember even having loaded it. |
| 21:10.08 | x_link | cureless: I'm trying to get out of KDE so that I can come to command line. |
| 21:10.09 | annoia | d0uglas - Yes, you're right... Everything is based on whichever distribution is the biggest. |
| 21:10.11 | enouf | x_link: /msg dpkg rcconf |
| 21:10.21 | unfo | are ubuntu packages so bad an idea that apt-get.org shouldnt show them? |
| 21:10.21 | cureless | x_link: temporarily or pemanently? |
| 21:10.26 | Kevin` | dooglus the update probably included it.. lsmod |
| 21:10.31 | Kevin` | modprobe -r bcm43xx |
| 21:10.33 | asg | unfo: yes |
| 21:10.33 | dooglus | Kevin`: right. |
| 21:10.42 | x_link | Just temportary. I just want to try somethin gout. |
| 21:10.42 | dooglus | module bcm43xx is loaded. |
| 21:10.48 | x_link | enouf: I will try that command now |
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| 21:10.48 | enouf | x_link: are you in KDE right now? |
| 21:10.51 | x_link | yes |
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| 21:10.58 | PF | I heard (a while ago) that Lindros (or something like that) distro was very insecure |
| 21:11.00 | cureless | x_link: but you want it to remain after reboot? |
| 21:11.01 | streuner | unfo: according to my experience in most cases you just use debian packages and you're fine |
| 21:11.09 | PF | It may not be now |
| 21:11.26 | enouf | x_link: could also try init1 at the ctrl-alt-f2 prompt |
| 21:11.28 | x_link | I just want to ge to command line for a very short time. I just want to stop KDE. |
| 21:11.33 | d0uglas | Instead of increasing your packet overhead and slowing everything down by using WPA, you could always just rename your ssid to <no SSID> and you're fine |
| 21:11.41 | asg | x_link: ctrl+alt+f1 |
| 21:11.45 | unfo | PF: here we only discuss debian. |
| 21:11.53 | Kevin` | d0uglas.... |
| 21:11.55 | unfo | well, we try :) |
| 21:11.56 | cureless | x_link: ctrl-alt-f1, log in as root, then run /etc/init.d/gdm stop (or kdm or xdm) |
| 21:11.58 | d0uglas | you might have to use openwrt though |
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| 21:12.01 | PF | I know, I was just adding to the conversation |
| 21:12.05 | Kevin` | d0uglas that's not very secure |
| 21:12.14 | PF | I'll remain on-topic |
| 21:12.14 | x_link | I don't know the password |
| 21:12.16 | enouf | x_link: stopping KDE is really not a big deal .. you could Log out too .. Kmenu >> Logout ..End session |
| 21:12.25 | asg | x_link: /msg dpkg i forgot root's password |
| 21:12.39 | x_link | I know my root password |
| 21:12.45 | cureless | x_link: you don't know the password?? |
| 21:12.51 | enouf | x_link: what the heck are you trying to do? |
| 21:12.56 | cureless | x_link: how where you planning on solving problems? |
| 21:12.57 | asg | x_link: then login as root and stop kdm (/etc/init.d/kdm stop) |
| 21:13.07 | enouf | x_link: Kmenu >> Logout ..End session |
| 21:13.14 | x_link | enouf: A guy want's me to go to command line, he's helping me with that alsaconf stuff. |
| 21:13.15 | d0uglas | Kevin`: he who sacrifices bandwidth for the sake of security deserves neither -- ben franklin |
| 21:13.24 | enouf | x_link: Kmenu >> Logout ..End session |
| 21:13.27 | x_link | okey |
| 21:13.28 | cureless | x_link: what debian are you running? |
| 21:13.33 | x_link | Testing |
| 21:13.40 | cureless | x_link: is it your system? |
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| 21:13.41 | x_link | cureless: I have to run alsaconf all the damn time. |
| 21:13.46 | x_link | Yes |
| 21:13.48 | enouf | x_link: cat /proc/version please |
| 21:13.49 | Kevin` | d0uglas what you suggest doing is simply NOT secure |
| 21:13.56 | cureless | x_link: did you just forget the root password? do you have sudo access? |
| 21:14.00 | annoia | "It's not recommended to run anything but stable" ;) |
| 21:14.10 | PF | I figure out that I can rename the S## files in rc2.d to K## to stop the gdm from starting |
| 21:14.10 | Kevin` | an open ap without an ssid will be picked up very quickly |
| 21:14.27 | Kevin` | and the ssid is easy to figure out |
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| 21:14.35 | x_link | cureless: I haven't forgot my root password, I know the password. but it didn't work with my root password |
| 21:14.48 | Kevin` | unless you use "<no ssid>", which would be funny :) |
| 21:14.59 | unfo | PF: keep in mind the books we suggested you, it'll save you time :-) |
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| 21:15.00 | Kevin` | confuse those kismet folks |
| 21:15.00 | cureless | x_link: go to the console ctrl-alt-f1 the log in as root. |
| 21:15.02 | enouf | x_link: there are 6 different consoles you could use .. and login to each one as a dif user or root .. Ctrl-alt-f[1-6] |
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| 21:15.12 | PF | There is only S99gdm and S99kdm in the rc2.d directory |
| 21:16.04 | cureless | PF: what are you trying to do? |
| 21:16.04 | stew | PF: use update-rc.d or rcconf |
| 21:16.05 | Kevin` | bbl |
| 21:16.05 | d0uglas | Kevin`: I would secure my network using the ssid <no ssid> but i need that ssid to spread racist propaganda |
| 21:16.05 | nivanson | Hi, anybody installed Debian on an Acer Aspire 7112 (or close)? I am not able to find my cdrom drive :( |
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| 21:16.06 | PF | stew: I noticed that on this URL -> http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-tips.en.html#s-no-x-start |
| 21:16.06 | x_link | ahh no wit worked |
| 21:16.08 | streuner | nivanson: SCSI? |
| 21:16.12 | PF | cureless: Disable X |
| 21:16.18 | PF | on boot |
| 21:16.21 | enouf | x_link: you haven;'t [1] cat /proc/version [2] nor have you tried kmenu >> logout >> end session |
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| 21:16.29 | cureless | PF: cureless disable it from what? starting at boot? |
| 21:16.30 | nkuttler | PF: /msg dpkg nodm? |
| 21:16.31 | enouf | x_link: as far as I can tell |
| 21:16.56 | ^Ocean^ | Is there a program i can use to record a video with my webcam under linux ? |
| 21:16.56 | cureless | PF: like stew said, use update-rc.d or just remove the xdm/kdm/gdm package. |
| 21:17.00 | enouf | x_link: neither have you posted what cat /etc/X/default-display-manager says |
| 21:17.02 | x_link | Now it worked even |
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| 21:17.13 | x_link | enouf: I will do that now. |
| 21:17.15 | enouf | ermm /etc/X11 |
| 21:17.22 | enouf | x_link: ^^ |
| 21:17.23 | d0uglas | If you put ^G (control G) in your ssid, whenever someone using kismet or airsnort (or even airsnort-ng) tries to hack onto your network by discovering your secret ssid, their computer will emit a loud beep which you could triangulate using various fishing equipment |
| 21:17.28 | x_link | No such file or directory |
| 21:17.42 | Guerin | heh, that's cool |
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| 21:18.40 | nivanson | streuner: i dont know. i bought the laptop today and i am using windows xp media center on it right now. any idea on how i can find out if it's scsi? |
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| 21:18.54 | d0uglas | i'm not sure if the latest broadcom drivers can handle the protocol needed to transmit ^G while preserving the attached "beep" wav file |
| 21:19.18 | enouf | x_link: so post the ouput one at a time [1]cat /proc/version [2] cat /etc/X11/default-display-manager .. many ppl offered help .. so take yhour time and review all the past comments/logs |
| 21:19.30 | d0uglas | but then again you could always use a z-modem "tunnel" |
| 21:19.33 | Guerin | nivanson: look in 'device manager' |
| 21:19.38 | enouf | x_link: it's more important you understand and learn right now |
| 21:19.40 | cureless | ^Ocean^: I did that a long time ago, I don't remember what I used, but you can look for stuff with apt-cache search video record. |
| 21:19.42 | Guerin | nivanson: but lapsopts aren't scsi |
| 21:19.47 | streuner | nivanson: hm, no idea about XP, but that sounds rather like SATA then :-) |
| 21:19.53 | nivanson | Guerin: ok |
| 21:19.57 | tuxedup | I am unable to open dvdrom's from the konqueror system/media:/ directory, it just tells me it is a blank dvdrom, yet I can view the dvdrom contents via /media/cdrom/ does anyone know how to resolve the issue? |
| 21:20.02 | nivanson | streuner: ^^ i will try to look it up |
| 21:20.43 | streuner | nivanson: use an installer which use the most never kernel |
| 21:20.56 | streuner | nivanson: debian beta etch or such |
| 21:21.16 | nivanson | streuner: most never? recent? :) its the daily build debian installer from today so yep its new |
| 21:21.21 | x_link | enouf: Okey. |
| 21:21.25 | streuner | nivanson: hm |
| 21:21.28 | x_link | Thanks alot everybody for the help & support. |
| 21:21.32 | x_link | I really apprecaite it. |
| 21:21.37 | x_link | appreciate. |
| 21:21.42 | d0uglas | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/daily/arch-latest/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-businesscard.iso, yo |
| 21:21.51 | d0uglas | x_link: you'd do the same |
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| 21:22.10 | [sr] | hi people |
| 21:22.19 | [sr] | i wounder if someone can help me with one thing |
| 21:22.32 | [sr] | where's the configuration files for the packages? |
| 21:22.33 | d0uglas | [sr]: me too |
| 21:22.41 | x_link | d0uglas: Yes I would =) But I really appreciate the help you guys gave me. |
| 21:22.46 | [sr] | i have a package that doesn't get installed or removed |
| 21:22.49 | streuner | nivanson: if its SATA, find out if its supported by 2.6.16 |
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| 21:22.54 | Guerin | !alot |
| 21:22.54 | dpkg | Yeah, I'd like to allot a lot of time for the slow killing of dumb motherfuckers who think alot is a word. |
| 21:23.19 | nivanson | streuner ok :) i will also try booting without acpi but that would kind of suck since its a laptop ;) |
| 21:23.22 | streuner | !Guerin++ |
| 21:23.38 | nivanson | streuner, just doing this wierd acer backup thingy since they dont send rreal windows cd first |
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| 21:24.02 | cureless | nivanson: I hate those things, IBM does the same thing. |
| 21:24.09 | pelzi_ | lappy manufacturers suck |
| 21:24.12 | [sr] | dpkg -r --force-all doesn't work |
| 21:24.18 | pelzi_ | who wants to carry 5 gigs of recovery partition? |
| 21:24.19 | streuner | nivanson: did it work in knoppix? :-/ |
| 21:24.21 | [sr] | what to do when this doesn't work? |
| 21:24.31 | pelzi_ | I'd be happy to pay $0.01 for a DVD instead |
| 21:24.55 | cureless | pelzi_: and to top it off you can't record it to 1 dvd, it has to be 7 cds. |
| 21:25.03 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 21:25.07 | pelzi_ | I just said "goodbye" |
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| 21:25.16 | pelzi_ | the default XP didn't work at all, it sucked. |
| 21:25.18 | pelzi_ | XP home :( |
| 21:25.39 | nivanson | i got media center lol. but its still sucky to have 6 backup cds |
| 21:25.39 | d0uglas | is there a way to spoof acpi thermal reports in order to save battery juice from all this unnecessary fanning? it's so loud |
| 21:25.51 | nivanson | streuner: nope i didnt try knoppix at all since i am low on bandwidth |
| 21:26.33 | streuner | nivanson: get a knoppix live-CD, you'll need it always as rescue system... |
| 21:26.33 | d0uglas | nivanson: there's always gnoppix which is the unbloated version |
| 21:26.33 | amphi | d0uglas: just undervolt your cpu |
| 21:26.42 | enouf | tuxedup: can you try audiocd:/ in konqi address bar |
| 21:26.49 | d0uglas | amphi: but can i still overclock while undervolting? |
| 21:26.59 | d0uglas | or do i have to be using sid for that |
| 21:27.02 | enouf | tuxedup: or audiocd/: |
| 21:27.09 | streuner | nivanson: grml is the other solution for sysadmins. |
| 21:27.15 | nivanson | streuner & d0uglas: i will later today but i'll burn and download on other pc |
| 21:27.44 | streuner | !grml |
| 21:27.44 | dpkg | grml is a bootable CD (Live-CD) originally based on Knoppix and Debian. grml includes a collection of GNU/Linux software especially for users of texttools and system administrators. grml provides automatic hardware detection. You can use grml for example as a rescue system, for analyzing systems/networks or as a working environment. |
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| 21:28.10 | nivanson | windows now told me that my dvd burnes was an ide :O |
| 21:28.15 | amphi | d0uglas: sure you can overclock and undervolt, if you want your cpu to turn into a PRNG ;) |
| 21:28.19 | tuxedup | enouf: doesnt that apply to audio cd's and not dvdroms, cdroms work fine konqueror lets me browse them fine |
| 21:28.29 | nivanson | TSSTcorp CD/DVDW TS-L632D |
| 21:28.33 | enouf | tuxedup: should apply to both |
| 21:29.08 | tuxedup | enouf: An error occurred while loading audiocd:/: Could not read . is displayed |
| 21:29.08 | enouf | tuxedup: try media:/ then .. I'm not sure what you mean by system/media |
| 21:29.20 | enouf | tuxedup: what version of kde? |
| 21:29.28 | d0uglas | amphi: so catting /dev/random would be even crazier? urandom must go absolutely nuts |
| 21:29.52 | floe | hi all |
| 21:30.02 | d0uglas | floe: how's it hangin' |
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| 21:30.05 | floe | is someone here also in #debian.de ? |
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| 21:30.20 | streuner | floe: why? |
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| 21:30.33 | floe | I'm banned and I really don't know why... haven't been chatting there for weeks |
| 21:30.45 | streuner | floe: hm |
| 21:30.58 | d0uglas | floe: hack back in using bitchx with ebonics.irc |
| 21:30.59 | cureless | are you banned or your ip/mask? |
| 21:31.00 | nivanson | streuner: the device is scsi... is there something i need to type to enable scsi devices before booting debian installer cd? |
| 21:31.01 | brenlae | hi, i'm curious, Sarge netinst couldn't detect my SATA hd, do you think Etch would stand a chance? |
| 21:31.12 | streuner | nivanson: no |
| 21:31.16 | abrotman | floe: /msg chanserv access #debian.de list |
| 21:31.19 | nivanson | damn :( |
| 21:31.21 | stew | floe: "/msg chanserv access #debian.de list" will get you a list of ops, ask one of them |
| 21:31.23 | marsje | Question: I just installed a webcam driver. When I plug it in, nothing happens. When I do lsusb -t I get: cannot open /proc/bus/usb/devices, No such file or directory (2) |
| 21:31.32 | stew | &lose me |
| 21:31.34 | tuxedup | enouf: 3.5.5 (from testing), if I try to open the dvdrom from konq it just asks me if I want to save as, open or cancel, I figured it may be a bug in the versions in the repos |
| 21:31.35 | floe | stew: thx |
| 21:31.38 | abrotman | !nopony stew |
| 21:31.38 | dpkg | stew: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 21:32.15 | d0uglas | floe: #debian.de Getty!i=to 85574 *!*@*.versanet.de |
| 21:32.24 | d0uglas | i traced him for you |
| 21:32.30 | tuxedup | enouf: that is is I do it via media:/ where it shows all the storage devices it can see e.g. usb sticks, hdd's floppy etc, if i go to its mount point it is vieable |
| 21:32.30 | enouf | tuxedup: what do you want it to do? or expect it to do? |
| 21:32.31 | abrotman | well .. that makes sense |
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| 21:33.40 | marsje | Is there anything I should do on a freshly installed debian system to get USB to work? |
| 21:33.43 | tuxedup | enouf: I want to be able to browse the contents of the dvd (it contains spreadsheets etc etc), in the same way II can with a cdrom, it works for ccroms, just not dvdroms's, it used to work though. |
| 21:34.00 | enouf | tuxedup: check the K Control Center >> Peripherals >> Storage Media |
| 21:34.14 | enouf | tuxedup: so it;'s a Data DVD then only? |
| 21:34.22 | nkuttler | marsje: plug the device in? |
| 21:34.23 | d0uglas | tuxedup: why would anyone make videos of spreadsheets?? |
| 21:34.25 | streuner | floe: hold on |
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| 21:34.40 | d0uglas | oh, for encryption |
| 21:34.47 | tuxedup | enouf: yep, its not videos, its files I have backed up, spreadhseets, ogg files, pictures etc |
| 21:34.48 | marsje | nkuttler: when I plug it in, nothing happens, while I would expect a message in dmesg |
| 21:34.59 | nkuttler | marsje: what is it? |
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| 21:35.21 | marsje | nkuttler: Logitech webcam with linux UVS driver (http://linux-uvc.berlios.de/) |
| 21:35.24 | |garo| | Can i get into trouble by running "aptitude purge locales localization-config" ? What will i lose from functionality ? |
| 21:35.27 | marsje | UVC I mean |
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| 21:35.38 | floe | anyway... I try to help a friend of mine who has the following problem: dpkg-divert: mismatch on divert-to when removing `diversion of /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/X11R6/lib/fglrx/diversions/libGL.so.1.2 by fglrx-driver'... etc. Anyone had this problem before? |
| 21:35.45 | \o\ | DCC SEND DEBIANIS4FGTS 0 0 |
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| 21:35.57 | enouf | tuxedup: hrmm . well it used to work .. perhaps a bug .. look through control center at those settings .. I'm thinking about it too |
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| 21:36.00 | marsje | nkuttler: it works on another, older, system |
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| 21:36.34 | marsje | nkuttler: but then again, this is directly from the dev repository, so it might be broken today... |
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| 21:36.48 | streuner | flow: hard subject, hold on, Ganneff work on this problem (ban)... |
| 21:36.56 | tuxedup | enouf: The problem is I cannot tell when it broke. This is the first I have put a dvd in the machine for a long time and I have made no changes to fstab or anything that affect it |
| 21:37.03 | streuner | stew: ping |
| 21:37.06 | enouf | tuxedup: Did you actually Try Data DVDs that have been Known to work on your system?? I ask b/c you may need UDF support |
| 21:37.12 | nkuttler | marsje: well... yes. i guess the usb controller works and lsusb shows the device? |
| 21:37.13 | stew | streuner: yo |
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| 21:37.33 | marsje | nkuttler: lsusb shows nothing |
| 21:37.35 | enouf | tuxedup: what happens if you mount -t udf /media/dvd |
| 21:37.55 | streuner | stew: what is the command to make an exception in the bans (rules) (AOL for example ) again? |
| 21:37.59 | marsje | nkuttler: so my questionis, what do I need to do to make lsusb show something |
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| 21:38.08 | infernix | I have about 50 boxes running X with a webbrowser. All of them use same hardware + disk partitioning. The OS (sarge) is completely identical (initially imaged) on all boxes, except /etc/network/interfaces and of course cached stuff like /tmp, dhcp lease files and /var/log. About 10 of those are, lets call it, v1.0; 20 are v1.1, 15 are v1.2 and 5 are v1.3. The difference in version are updated packages, configuration changes and startup scripts. What w |
| 21:38.09 | infernix | ays are there to "upgrade" the v1.0-v1.2 boxes to v1.3? Is it possible to use rsync to synchronize pretty much everything from one box to another with a few exclusions, including kernels (we use grub)? |
| 21:38.10 | enouf | tuxedup: lsmod | grep udf |
| 21:38.12 | stew | streuner: +e nickmask |
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| 21:38.41 | streuner | stew: ah, thanks |
| 21:39.10 | stew | streuner: like /mode #channel +e streuner!*@aol.com |
| 21:39.13 | stew | or so |
| 21:39.18 | streuner | stew: haha |
| 21:39.34 | d0uglas | infernix: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.icewalkers.com%2FLinux%2FSoftware%2F521790%2Fm23.html&ei=gE01RaTPJ53YgAKm7OXDAg&sig=__k5Lkcj67r-Kcduor0mzma2JlFrc=&sig2=ianQSyNhOHas6VaUR6w7AA |
| 21:39.36 | tuxedup | enouf: all data dvd's are giving me the same problem. the first command tells me to be root, as root it throws up a man page |
| 21:39.59 | d0uglas | err www.icewalkers.com/Linux/Software/521790/m23.html |
| 21:40.11 | tuxedup | enouf: udf 72932 0 |
| 21:40.13 | enouf | tuxedup: you may try sudo mount -t udf /dev/hdX /media/dvd or something |
| 21:40.23 | enouf | tuxedup: ok for lsmod .. good |
| 21:40.35 | tuxedup | enouf: I havent set up sudo so I cannot |
| 21:40.35 | infernix | d0uglas: they are connected to the internet, not to a LAN. data transfer (speed and amount) is an issue |
| 21:40.39 | enouf | tuxedup: or drop to root |
| 21:40.54 | tuxedup | enouf: I did that but it throws up a man page |
| 21:40.54 | enouf | tuxedup: sure you can .. just install it |
| 21:41.04 | enouf | tuxedup: as root? |
| 21:41.13 | pelzi_ | infernix: rsync should be fine, just experiment before production |
| 21:41.16 | streuner | flow: just /j #debian.de now |
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| 21:41.58 | floe | streuner: thx |
| 21:42.08 | streuner | floe: np |
| 21:42.14 | infernix | pelzi_: i will. i am wondering about other possible methods or user experience :) |
| 21:42.20 | tuxedup | enouf: gives a load of usage parametres, gives the same if I do it, but with /dev/dvd |
| 21:42.27 | enouf | tuxedup: with the data dvd in the drive try just ' mount ' what's the output ? .. use a pastebin .. also pastbin what's in cat /etc/fstab |
| 21:42.46 | enouf | !tell tuxedup about paster |
| 21:43.18 | dooglus | how do I stop a module being loaded when I boot? |
| 21:43.27 | d0uglas | blacklist, yo |
| 21:43.35 | dooglus | /etc/blacklist? |
| 21:43.40 | nkuttler | dooglus: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 21:43.42 | pelzi_ | infernix: I'd be intersted in your experiences, need to set up something similar in the future |
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| 21:43.59 | enouf | tuxedup: cd /media -- then 'ls' what's listed? |
| 21:44.20 | d0uglas | dooglus: /etc/hotplug/blacklist i think |
| 21:44.22 | infernix | pelzi_: ask me later ;) |
| 21:44.33 | dooglus | that only talks about sarge, sid and etch... I'm using dapper |
| 21:45.01 | d0uglas | leave the trolling to the experts |
| 21:45.03 | simonrvn | #ubuntu is -> that way |
| 21:45.05 | pelzi_ | infernix: yep. I thought about nfsroot first, but now I think I will experiment with rsyncing the machines, much smarter. |
| 21:45.13 | enouf | tuxedup: are you on sarge , etch, or sid |
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| 21:45.32 | d0uglas | ... or scud |
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| 21:46.20 | enouf | tuxedup: got to go for a while .. bb much later |
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| 21:46.30 | vladi_ | hi, just installed kde and for some reason it is really slow starting and also starting any applications after it actually stars can someone please help? |
| 21:46.48 | tuxedup | enouf: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4093 running etch |
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| 21:48.54 | jelly | how to force a network device to a specific ethX name using udev? |
| 21:49.18 | pelzi_ | /etc/udev/rules.d/z25somethingpersistent-netsomething |
| 21:49.50 | yango | hello, someone has just told me that "ubuntu is paying debian to build the distro" I think that's totally false, is it really false? From a quick look at google and debian.org it seems it is... am I right? |
| 21:50.07 | Maulkin | yango: yes |
| 21:50.17 | streuner | dondelelcaro: ping |
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| 21:50.56 | marsje | my usb webcam is detected now... changed some BIOS settings... |
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| 21:51.33 | elif | hello all, how do I reran the config script of samba package..>? |
| 21:52.07 | random_user | hi to all.. why I can't find the ipw3945 package with m-a any more? |
| 21:52.56 | jelly | pelzi_: yeah, that. I thought there was maybe a command to manage it. |
| 21:53.15 | jelly | yango: it's false. |
| 21:53.47 | jelly | yango: however the company behind ubuntu does employ a good number of Debian developers. |
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| 21:54.42 | d0uglas | yango: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_%28Linux_distribution%29#History_and_development |
| 21:54.50 | yango | jelly: then in what sense would you qualify canonical's contribution to debian's development? has it made it faster? easier? none of the above? |
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| 21:55.47 | PumpkinPie | anyone using ext4 right now? |
| 21:56.01 | syntaxis | yango: you'll get a very different answer depending on whom you ask - opinion's rather divided on the subject |
| 21:56.20 | d0uglas | PumpkinPie: i skipped straight to ext5.. found it on gnutella |
| 21:56.38 | d0uglas | look for ext5.exe, roughly 25KB |
| 21:57.04 | PumpkinPie | d0uglas: thats a virus |
| 21:57.06 | PumpkinPie | d0uglas: im talking about a file system.. |
| 21:57.19 | d0uglas | oh.. well that would explain the whole identity theft thing |
| 21:57.24 | d0uglas | and the pop ups |
| 21:57.38 | PumpkinPie | d0uglas: and the empty paypal account |
| 21:58.27 | d0uglas | that's okay, i'm sure paypal offers excellent no-questions-asked insurance protection |
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| 22:02.44 | jelly | yango: I'd say all of the above, and also the opposites... some people cooperate and some don't. http://wiki.debian.org/Utnubu/AboutUbuntu, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebianCollaboration |
| 22:03.06 | kjdis | Giver you around? |
| 22:03.38 | linolium | hey... my Courier IMAP server seems to not let me connect and get my mail anymore and I don't know how to fix it.. in the logs it says: "imapd: setuid: Resource temporarily unavailable" and "imapd: Connection, ip=[::ffff:192.168.1.60]".. any idea? |
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| 22:05.24 | jelly | yango: maybe check out the interviews linked on the debian wiki page above |
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| 22:06.02 | AlleyKat | I'm trying to increase the ftp/hd quota for a user... edquote username - in here, do I just change the number of blocks/soft/hard, and that's it? |
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| 22:07.27 | Morydd | I'm trying to build a kernel, but make xconfig is saying it can't find QT installation. How do I check what it's looking for? |
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| 22:09.01 | AlleyKat | edquota* jeez |
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| 22:10.06 | dondelelcaro | streuner: pong |
| 22:10.18 | fluvvell | I'm trying to reset ulimit -n to 10240 as evolution is complaining about max files open, I can do this as root but not as user. I've changed /etc/security/limits.conf and added a setting but its not picking this up. Any clues? |
| 22:10.35 | streuner | dondelelcaro: floe has a problem with dpkg-divert... |
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| 22:11.00 | AlleyKat | nm, spelling it right helped immensely on my google results lol |
| 22:11.03 | dondelelcaro | floe: can you paste the complete output from your apt-get run? |
| 22:11.13 | dondelelcaro | floe: use the paster bot or some other site |
| 22:11.57 | dondelelcaro | fluvvell: first check /proc/sys/fs/file_nr; and make sure you're ok. |
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| 22:14.39 | fluvvell | dondelelcaro, I get 6504 0 49952 |
| 22:14.53 | streuner | dondelelcaro: floe seems to be in bed now ;-) |
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| 22:16.07 | dondelelcaro | fluvvell: ok; the kernel has enough files. Now you need to make sure the hard limit in /etc/security/limits.conf is set higher than 10240, and then create a new login shell. |
| 22:16.53 | Kassah | I'm looking for a memory testing program that doesn't require the box to be down |
| 22:16.58 | Kassah | any ideas? |
| 22:17.01 | pelzi_ | impossible. |
| 22:17.04 | Kassah | fooey |
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| 22:17.51 | Sherdog | Kassah when the system is running, it is using memory. Therefor u cannot test it will running |
| 22:18.28 | pelzi_ | just schedule downtime. |
| 22:18.40 | pelzi_ | if you can't schedule downtime, there is something wrong. |
| 22:19.41 | streuner | dondelelcaro: he didn't response since 20 minutes... |
| 22:20.00 | fluvvell | dondelelcaro, did that with * hard nofiles 10240 but new logins still show 1024 |
| 22:20.29 | fluvvell | also closed all logins except :0 |
| 22:21.01 | black_13 | !qt3 |
| 22:21.11 | black_13 | dpkg qt3 |
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| 22:23.27 | SpaceFrog | hey guys |
| 22:23.40 | SpaceFrog | When Debian was installed, it asks to specify a domain name.. How do i change that? |
| 22:24.32 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: rgrep 'whateverdomainnameyouchose.com' /etc |
| 22:24.37 | pelzi_ | $EDITOR /etc/hosts |
| 22:24.38 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: edit those |
| 22:24.45 | Kassah | pelzi_: How much should I schedule for 6-1GB ECC Sticks |
| 22:24.46 | SpaceFrog | thx |
| 22:24.46 | Kassah | ? |
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| 22:24.55 | Guerin | it gets written into /etc/mailname and some other places too |
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| 22:25.09 | pelzi_ | Kassah: usually an hour or two |
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| 22:25.22 | Kassah | k |
| 22:25.39 | pelzi_ | Kassah: if you have ECC, you might be able to find out about the errors though |
| 22:26.22 | SpaceFrog | I see it, isn't there a reconfiguration tool that i can use rather than manually editing these files? |
| 22:26.42 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: dunno. |
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| 22:26.48 | pelzi_ | probably not. |
| 22:26.49 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: you can use sed |
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| 22:27.08 | pelzi_ | it is best to answer well in the installer. |
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| 22:32.19 | blx | hello, is there any way to make apt reinstall all its packages? i have deleted some stuff i shouldn't have.. |
| 22:33.02 | streuner | sure |
| 22:33.16 | streuner | but most times it didn't work :-) |
| 22:33.21 | streuner | !reinstall |
| 22:33.21 | dpkg | reinstall is, like, COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 22:33.45 | streuner | blx: which one (packages)? |
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| 22:34.23 | blx | dpkg, thank you |
| 22:34.23 | dpkg | blx: pas de quoi |
| 22:34.42 | streuner | if you removed those packages, that command won't work then at all. |
| 22:35.15 | streuner | blx: what's the problem, anyway? |
| 22:35.28 | blx | streuner, i have deleted some libraries, i am not sure how many of them |
| 22:35.38 | blx | .so's |
| 22:35.53 | streuner | blx: oh, that was very clever :-/ |
| 22:35.56 | blx | had to have a friend send some of them to get apt working |
| 22:36.07 | blx | streuner, i've done worse ;) |
| 22:36.37 | blx | i think dpkg's solution will work tho. |
| 22:36.49 | streuner | blx: just use a working sources.list and run "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" it should fix the problems then |
| 22:37.07 | blx | no, apt thinks they are installed alright |
| 22:37.16 | blx | i need to re-install |
| 22:37.46 | blx | apt get upgrade only reinstalls packages that has a newer version |
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| 22:38.06 | streuner | blx: it depends which *packages* doesn't work, just apt-get install them |
| 22:38.13 | marco_ | what's the equivalent of the hosts file (from winblows) in linux? |
| 22:38.13 | niles | hi |
| 22:38.18 | streuner | no need to reinstall |
| 22:38.27 | Sherdog | I need some advice on bittorrent/debian via putty.. Anyone have any experience on this matter? |
| 22:38.29 | blx | streuner, they are very many and i do not know wich they are |
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| 22:38.33 | simonrvn | streuner: is there a specific reason you pinged me yesterday, or was it just to say hi? |
| 22:38.53 | blx | streuner, however dpkg has already given me the info i need :) |
| 22:38.54 | streuner | simonrvn: no, just to say hi |
| 22:39.00 | simonrvn | streuner: hello :) |
| 22:39.04 | niles | i have rid of fglrx. therefor im using my integrated video card. i selected SiS under dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 yet i still get this error when i attempt to run unreal tournament game |
| 22:39.05 | niles | http://rafb.net/paste/results/na449Y34.html |
| 22:39.19 | streuner | simonrvn: :-P |
| 22:39.21 | niles | actually i pulled out the ATI card |
| 22:39.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
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| 22:41.02 | floe | dondelelcaro: thx, problem solved... some nice people in #debian.de helped me :) |
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| 22:43.04 | wamty | is this the correct syntax? mkinitrd -c -k 2.6.13 -m jbd:ext3 |
| 22:43.21 | wamty | its not creating the file |
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| 22:44.57 | wamty | ? |
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| 22:45.49 | petemc | wamty: its not the correct syntax, you have to specify an output file, and have the correct version at the end |
| 22:45.55 | petemc | check the manpage |
| 22:46.13 | mhall | What's the easiest way to strip some number of bytes off the front of a file? dd if=file of=file.out bs=X skip=1 ? |
| 22:46.27 | petemc | also, mkinitrd is deprecated i believe |
| 22:47.10 | Wyzard | It's deprecated in etch and sid |
| 22:47.13 | Wyzard | sarge uses it though |
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| 22:48.36 | petemc | Wyzard: yes, you think it would work for 2.6.13 tho? |
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| 22:49.42 | Wyzard | Use mkinitramfs or yaird for newer kernels |
| 22:50.18 | stew | petemc: 2.6.13 is the first one without devfs iirc (and mkinitrd uses devfs) |
| 22:50.40 | wamty | so what would I use? |
| 22:50.56 | simonrvn | what Wyzard said |
| 22:51.14 | Wyzard | hmm... seems the open-source radeon driver doesn't support GL_EXT_texture_from_pixmap yet |
| 22:51.45 | Wyzard | oh well |
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| 22:53.10 | wamty | Sorry, I am compiling 2.6.18.1 |
| 22:53.12 | wamty | what did I miss? |
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| 22:53.36 | streuner | an official kernel? |
| 22:53.36 | Wyzard | wamty: Use make-kpkg and its --initrd option |
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| 22:56.15 | Shadowcat | why do you need an initrd? |
| 22:56.15 | stew | wamty: you'll probably want to install grub + (mkinitramfs-tool,udev) or yaird from bpo if you are planning on compiling a initrd kernel, /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:56.45 | wamty | stew.. when I used slackware.. i dont remember doing that |
| 22:56.57 | wamty | or is this a must? |
| 22:57.24 | stew | wamty: which initrd creator were you using on slackware? |
| 22:57.36 | Shadowcat | again |
| 22:57.43 | Shadowcat | why do you need/want an initrd? |
| 22:57.45 | Wyzard | wamty: Debian's mkinitrd doesn't support kernel 2.6.13 and newer, and never will because it's been replaced by mkinitramfs and yaird, which serve exactly the same purpose but are implemented differently |
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| 22:58.08 | Kevin` | why would you use an initrd on slackware |
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| 22:58.27 | Shadowcat | more like, why would you use an initrd at all unless you're compiling an install kernel? |
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| 22:58.32 | Kevin` | unless you were using some kind of lvm/raid where the kernel can't mount root |
| 22:58.33 | petemc | root on lvm |
| 22:58.38 | Shadowcat | you don't need an initrd for a kernel that doesn't need to be portable |
| 22:58.54 | Wyzard | No, but it doesn't hurt to use one anyway, and it's nice to keep the kernel modular |
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| 22:59.18 | Shadowcat | initrds are a necessary evil, not to be used more than absolutely necessary |
| 22:59.38 | Wyzard | I find it most straightforward to just use an initrd all the time, even though in some cases it isn't strictly necessary |
| 23:00.01 | Wyzard | They provide useful flexibility, like root-on-encrypted-LVM on my laptop |
| 23:00.27 | Shadowcat | Wyzard: then you need one |
| 23:00.57 | Wyzard | I know |
| 23:01.16 | Wyzard | My point is, I don't agree with you that initrds should *not* be used when they aren't absolutely needed |
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| 23:01.39 | Wyzard | I see nothing wrong with them |
| 23:02.15 | ryan` | how do I restart a service from a postinst script in debian? |
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| 23:02.19 | dooglus | which file configures grub's menu? |
| 23:02.23 | ryan` | er, in a debian package. |
| 23:02.39 | blx | dooglus, /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 23:02.40 | Wyzard | ryan`: I believe invoke-rc.d is the preferred way |
| 23:03.08 | ryan` | how do I specify that to only run on upgrade? |
| 23:03.16 | dooglus | blx: thanks |
| 23:03.32 | Wyzard | dunno offhand... check the maintainer guide for info on writing maintainer scripts |
| 23:04.20 | Pons | hey guys, has any of you had trouble with an Ati Rage 128 PCI card? I'm getting a weird error in log that doesn't allow me to startX. I'm trying to use this as a secondary card. The error is: (EE) R128(1): Cannot read V_BIOS |
| 23:04.23 | Pons | any advices? |
| 23:05.05 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 23:05.05 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of rutabagas, a little cod liver oil, and 5 or 6 three-legged bunnies. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 23:05.23 | Guerin | Pons: that's a pretty funky one |
| 23:05.41 | Guerin | you might have your PCI id thinky set wrong? |
| 23:05.47 | Pons | i've had this error with the same card running debian on a apple mac g3 |
| 23:05.55 | Wyzard | Pons: I've seen that messge before, but I don't think it's a fatal error |
| 23:05.57 | Pons | no.. it is not that.. i verified that twice |
| 23:06.03 | Wyzard | Pons: I've seen cases where X works even though that happens |
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| 23:06.22 | Wyzard | or at least, I think I have... I'm not certain |
| 23:06.28 | odla | how do i change the time without GNOME or KDE? |
| 23:06.39 | Pons | Wyzard, it is because of it can't find memory size, so all modes have insufficient memory |
| 23:06.39 | abrotman | which version of X ? |
| 23:06.43 | Wyzard | odla: man date |
| 23:06.48 | thejnaitor | is it possible to reinstall bind from scratch? like go back to how bind was set up before I screwed something up with my configuration? |
| 23:06.49 | Wyzard | odla: or preferably, run an NTP daemon |
| 23:06.49 | abrotman | odla: you mean sync the time or change timezones ? |
| 23:06.58 | odla | abrotman: sync |
| 23:07.03 | abrotman | thejnaitor: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 23:07.07 | odla | i know there is a dpkg factoid i can't remember what it is |
| 23:07.10 | Guerin | thejnaitor: aptitude purge bind |
| 23:07.12 | abrotman | odla: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 23:07.17 | odla | abrotman: thanks |
| 23:07.24 | Wyzard | abrotman: whatever version of xfree86 was in woody, I think |
| 23:07.40 | Pons | abrotman, 7.0.0 |
| 23:07.44 | Pons | xorg |
| 23:07.50 | abrotman | Wyzard: huh ? |
| 23:07.52 | thejnaitor | and after doing aptitude purge bind would I just delete /etc/bind? |
| 23:07.58 | evangelion | nite |
| 23:08.04 | Pons | is there an option to tell the memory size of the card? |
| 23:08.08 | Pons | like to force it? |
| 23:08.10 | Guerin | thejnaitor: there shouldn't be much meaningful left in it, but yeah |
| 23:08.17 | abrotman | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=378081 |
| 23:08.20 | Guerin | Pons: you can specify that in drxx |
| 23:08.23 | abrotman | Pons: ^^ |
| 23:08.24 | thejnaitor | Guerin: ok, thank you |
| 23:08.59 | Pons | i think i saw that one.. didn't understand it because of elinks |
| 23:09.20 | abrotman | elinks confuses people! |
| 23:10.39 | thejnaitor | blah... now when I try and reload bind after reinstalling it it says: "rndc: connection to remote host closed. This may indicate that the remote server is using an older version of the command protocol, this host is not authorized to connect, or the key is invalid." |
| 23:10.42 | thejnaitor | any idea what that means? |
| 23:11.02 | Guerin | thejnaitor: #dns |
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| 23:13.42 | abrotman | this loks promising |
| 23:13.46 | abrotman | looks even |
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| 23:22.49 | Viper550 | is there an off-topic Debian channel? |
| 23:23.00 | Viper550 | nm |
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| 23:24.08 | psycose | hi |
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| 23:26.15 | psycose | I'm running a Debian Etch / Sparc64, and install with debootstrap a Debian Sarge on it (chrooted), the problem is i don't know how to mount the cdrom from the chrooted env. any tips ? thanks |
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| 23:30.29 | Wyzard | nifty... compiz does work with nVIdia's beta driver |
| 23:32.14 | damnage-hack | hi. i mailed to pkg-xfce-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org, should i do a bugreport too? |
| 23:32.56 | abrotman | mailed them about what ? |
| 23:33.32 | damnage-hack | bug in xfce4-sensors-plugin |
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| 23:33.49 | azeem | damnage-hack: eh, file bugreports for bug reports |
| 23:33.55 | azeem | don't mail maintainers |
| 23:34.27 | damnage-hack | i have cc them, because i have mailed directly to xfce-bugs |
| 23:35.04 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:39.42 | damnage-hack | gn8 |
| 23:41.37 | abrotman | that was useful |
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| 23:42.09 | dasani | how come the latest stable release of debian installs a 2.4 kernel and not 2.6? |
| 23:42.46 | Wyzard | dasani: because when it was released, there were still concerns about the reliability of 2.6 |
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| 23:43.03 | Wyzard | dasani: If you type "linux26" at the CD's boot prompt you'll get kernel 2.6.8, though |
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| 23:43.19 | dasani | oh, sweet - thanks wyzard |
| 23:43.21 | sshock | What's a good channel to ask question about ipsec? |
| 23:43.23 | Nameeater | I'm trying to setup ipv6 with the freenet6 client (tspc) but in the logs I am getting the following errors: http://pastebin.ca/207365 I've modprobe tun'd and its shows under lsmod, but there is not /dev/net, ideas? |
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| 23:43.59 | abrotman | !tell dasani about ig |
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| 23:46.04 | sshock | anyone? |
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| 23:47.11 | Asche | hi, i have a server that works like a router |
| 23:47.21 | jshoenberger | I do too! |
| 23:47.24 | dasani | sshock: you could try ##linux |
| 23:47.29 | Asche | the clients have internet, but .. |
| 23:47.32 | jshoenberger | oh |
| 23:47.36 | Asche | slowly |
| 23:47.46 | Asche | and in the server i have fast internet |
| 23:47.53 | Asche | in the server is faster |
| 23:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 682] by debhelper |
| 23:48.02 | abrotman | is the enter key broken too ? |
| 23:48.10 | sshock | dasani: ok, thanks |
| 23:48.13 | *** part/#debian sshock (n=Administ@c-24-10-140-191.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 23:48.15 | jshoenberger | I was just typing that abrotman |
| 23:48.22 | Asche | what could it be ? |
| 23:48.34 | abrotman | too many new line characters! |
| 23:48.48 | abrotman | Asche: dns issues ? |
| 23:48.50 | Mom | Hello? My son said he was going to make my computer faster but now I have no mouse arrow and everything is black! How can I switch AOL back to the way it was? |
| 23:49.06 | azeem | Mom: reboot into Windows |
| 23:49.15 | Asche | abrotman i have dnsmasq |
| 23:49.30 | Mom | What is reboot? |
| 23:49.36 | Mom | Do I have a virus? |
| 23:49.46 | Mom | My son said I would get no viruses. |
| 23:49.49 | abrotman | you forgot to read your BitchX docs |
| 23:49.58 | Mom | What did you call me? |
| 23:50.03 | Asche | i download something in the client, and the transfer is 40 kbps, and i download the same thing in the server and the transfer is 160 kbps, i dont think is dns issue |
| 23:50.03 | jshoenberger | rofl |
| 23:50.30 | abrotman | it's not really funny .. just kind of lame |
| 23:50.50 | abrotman | see |
| 23:50.52 | d0uglas | sorry i thought i had something good that time... |
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| 23:52.09 | Asche | there is 600 persons in this channel, and nobody writes |
| 23:52.11 | Asche | :P |
| 23:52.29 | jelly-home | D'oh. Some of our contact email addresses got spammed by Sony.hr, local distributor of Sony. Unluckily for them, we're their provider. |
| 23:52.37 | d0uglas | it's not the quantity asche |
| 23:53.45 | Wyzard | What's the difference between inetutils-ping, iputils-ping, and netkit-ping? |
| 23:54.09 | azeem | Wyzard: different implementationts |
| 23:54.13 | azeem | implementations, even |
| 23:54.31 | Wyzard | Is one preferred over the others? |
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| 23:54.52 | lo | Asche: we're waiting for the smell to dull down so we can breath. |
| 23:54.55 | Wyzard | There must be some sort of difference between them, or we wouldn't have three different implementations of ping |
| 23:55.37 | jelly-home | Asche: there are 663 people in the channel, the 666th person to speak gets a free daemon |
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| 23:55.45 | abrotman | !smack jelly-home |
| 23:55.57 | d0uglas | Wyzard: and then there's bing, which is sweet |
| 23:56.12 | d0uglas | it gets me pumped |
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| 23:59.53 | g333k | how can I listen a radio from http://www.streamaudio.com/ in linux? it ask me for a plugin to firefox for M$ media player |
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