| 00:00.09 | Lilandra | thanks lunitik, nivanson |
| 00:00.21 | n3kl | Is anyone in here running socket 939 ? |
| 00:00.27 | Lilandra | i'm thinking it's my kernel as since i've upgraded the kernel...some weird things have occurred... |
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| 00:00.35 | Lilandra | like i'm not sure which kernel i boot into |
| 00:00.47 | nivanson | Lilandra: Did you try booting into the old kernel? |
| 00:00.52 | abrotman | n3kl: why? |
| 00:00.59 | Lilandra | nivanson: i believe i'm booted into the old kernel |
| 00:01.16 | Lilandra | because the wireless card doesn't work on the new kernel yet |
| 00:01.28 | Lilandra | and i wanted to download all the updates |
| 00:01.28 | nivanson | Lilandra: Then reboot and pick the one with the highest numbers! :) What branch are you running? |
| 00:01.33 | nivanson | Lilandra: Oh |
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| 00:01.43 | Lilandra | um...testing... |
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| 00:02.00 | n3kl | abrotman: I am looking into getting one, but I don't know if its too new for linux |
| 00:02.05 | Lilandra | but i can reboot into the higher kernel if necessary...just...i hopefully don't have to install anything else...this is the other computer |
| 00:02.15 | Lilandra | brb |
| 00:02.19 | itrebal | how can i get the esddsp executeable? i've been searching w/ apt-cache for quite a while now |
| 00:02.30 | abrotman | n3kl: uhm .. no |
| 00:02.57 | Bushmills | itrebal: should come with esound |
| 00:02.59 | n3kl | abrotman: k |
| 00:03.17 | itrebal | weird.. i havn't got them |
| 00:03.28 | abrotman | n3kl: you should be more concerned with devices .. not the CPU |
| 00:03.48 | Bushmills | itrebal: esound-clients |
| 00:03.53 | n3kl | its the nforce 4 chipset abrotman |
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| 00:04.07 | Lilandra | i am rebooting it into the other kernel |
| 00:04.10 | itrebal | aahh yes, thats it - thanks a lot |
| 00:04.26 | n3kl | abrotman: I am having a lot of trouble with my turion nvidia gpu system on debian, just asking |
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| 00:05.27 | abrotman | n3kl: it's the nvidia card .. not the CPU |
| 00:05.38 | n3kl | understood |
| 00:06.07 | n3kl | amd64 is hard to get working on linux though |
| 00:06.28 | abrotman | nope ... |
| 00:06.41 | n3kl | abrotman: are you on amd64? |
| 00:06.45 | abrotman | not this box |
| 00:07.00 | n3kl | are you running the i386 install on the amd box? |
| 00:07.01 | abrotman | what parts are you having an issue with ? |
| 00:07.03 | Lilandra | nivanson: i am in new kernel and no gui |
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| 00:07.19 | nivanson | Lilandra: My mouse (USB) is either reached at /dev/input/mice or /dev/input/mouse0 NOT /dev/input/mouse... Try changing your xorg config. (/etc/X11/xorg.conf) |
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| 00:07.40 | Lilandra | o! it might've been mice and i wrote it wrong |
| 00:07.43 | Lilandra | am going to check |
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| 00:07.47 | n3kl | abrotman: I got this same machine working perfect on slamd64 and gentoo, but I am having trouble with debian, so I reverted to i386 |
| 00:07.57 | n3kl | now mainly its the nvidia |
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| 00:08.12 | abrotman | !Nvidia one-liner |
| 00:08.12 | dpkg | methinks nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 00:08.21 | n3kl | abrotman: that doesn't work forme |
| 00:09.13 | n3kl | I have read the wiki and done the installs, the debian way does not work, and the nvidia install is the only thing that will install on my system |
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| 00:09.49 | abrotman | why doesn't it owkr ? |
| 00:09.56 | Lilandra | it is /dev/input/mice nivanson. i think i'm missing some fonts too... |
| 00:10.06 | abrotman | mightneed the mousedev driver |
| 00:10.17 | n3kl | abrotman: the packages that it is looking for do not exist |
| 00:10.28 | nivanson | Lilandra: Ok. Did you upgrade from sarge to etch? Try apt-get install xorg |
| 00:10.38 | n3kl | m-a a-i nvidia looks for a package that cannot be found in etch |
| 00:11.01 | Lilandra | nivanson it hink i did that but will have to reboot...or try to fix the wireless now. a whole lot of modules got fatal error when booting |
| 00:11.01 | abrotman | !etch nvidia |
| 00:11.02 | dpkg | As of 2006-04-18, nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 00:11.25 | Lilandra | also...i don't think i upgraded from sarge to etch but i can't see what else i could've done |
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| 00:11.56 | Lilandra | my computer was down for about 2 weeks and i put it on and just did an apt-get upgrade... |
| 00:12.15 | nivanson | Lilandra: Installing the "xorg" package will probably solve your problem with fonts anyway. |
| 00:12.24 | Lilandra | ok |
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| 00:14.13 | n3kl | Ok, with this, I am not trying to pick a fight... but, does it seem like debian is sort of poluted with third party sources and temporary workarounds? |
| 00:14.21 | Lilandra | nivanson: i think i'm going crazy! i had the fonts and lots of other stuff and it didn't work. so i uninstalled them in the hopes that purging and reinstalling would make them...think about working...so i reinstall and...now i have a nice grey screen... |
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| 00:14.24 | Lilandra | nothing else tho |
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| 00:16.11 | nivanson | Lilandra: Then you need to restart your x session manager. As root: killall gdm/kdm/xdm (wichever you use) and start it again |
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| 00:17.25 | tPl0ch | If I want to build a kernel package, I normally use: make-kpkg --revision=blabla.1.0 |
| 00:17.26 | Lilandra | ok |
| 00:17.42 | tPl0ch | and then dpkg -i kernel-imageblabla.deb |
| 00:18.33 | Lilandra | nivanson that didn't work... |
| 00:18.51 | tPl0ch | ow I get the error: Running depmod. Missing Required paramater 'Old' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.19-rc2.postinst line 393. |
| 00:19.14 | tPl0ch | what is wrong? |
| 00:19.38 | nivanson | Lilandra: That won't be enough information for me to be able to help you. I'm going to bed now. Sorry that I couldn't help you out. |
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| 00:20.11 | Lilandra | lol hae a good night nivanson |
| 00:20.23 | n3kl | abrotman: so I am trying to find what the heck I am supposed to download on the link you sent me for the nvidia etch thing. I can't find the package download, I am lost in this site |
| 00:20.34 | n3kl | abrotman: under the binary section? |
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| 00:21.07 | abrotman | i'd guess so |
| 00:21.35 | n3kl | abrotman: so this package would be in non-free, I have non-free in my sources.list, why can't I see it |
| 00:21.56 | abrotman | because it's not currently in etch afaik |
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| 00:22.04 | abrotman | i don't have any nvidia hardware |
| 00:22.11 | n3kl | k |
| 00:22.13 | abrotman | so i'm going off what i see others say here |
| 00:22.37 | tPl0ch | anyone knows what that means after installing a brand new kernel: Running depmod. Missing Required paramater 'Old' at /var/lib/dpkg/info/linux-image-2.6.19-rc2.postinst line 393. |
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| 00:26.15 | zamaliphe | can i boot the debian installer from the net ?? |
| 00:26.51 | abrotman | there's a pxe install |
| 00:27.41 | zamaliphe | abrotman: i dont have a rw to born and img now |
| 00:27.49 | abrotman | huh? |
| 00:27.51 | zamaliphe | abrotman: can i do this |
| 00:27.59 | abrotman | with floppies maybe |
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| 00:28.19 | zamaliphe | abrotman: what about grub ? |
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| 00:28.58 | abrotman | ask #grub .. like i told you hours ago |
| 00:29.05 | zamaliphe | abrotman: i used to boot the live cde's using grub but cant do that with debian |
| 00:29.50 | Coweater | you're trying to install on a machine that can't boot from cd-rom, but has a cd drive? |
| 00:30.04 | abrotman | he doesn't have a blank cdr or cdrw |
| 00:30.38 | abrotman | !rube goldberg install |
| 00:30.38 | dpkg | "Hi! I want to install Debian with a 2.6.x kernel on a machine, but I can't boot from floppies, and I can't boot from CD-ROM, and I have no network card. I have only a USB dot matrix printer and a punch card reader." |
| 00:30.48 | n3kl | any idea if nvidia will be in etch? |
| 00:30.58 | Coweater | nvidia what? |
| 00:31.12 | n3kl | driver |
| 00:31.14 | abrotman | n3kl: i'm sure by the time it releases it will be there |
| 00:31.26 | n3kl | abrotman: cool, thanks for the help today |
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| 00:42.31 | KyleH | apt-get install vlc gives me an error. Must I install it from source or should I look for a new repository? |
| 00:42.50 | abrotman | paste the error |
| 00:43.01 | KyleH | Package vlc is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 00:43.01 | KyleH | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 00:43.01 | KyleH | is only available from another source |
| 00:43.02 | KyleH | E: Package vlc has no installation candidate |
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| 00:43.39 | KyleH | paster-bot kicked me abrotman |
| 00:43.52 | prolific | Anybody have any experience with akpop3d? I'm looking for a tiny, secure pop3d |
| 00:44.04 | abrotman | !paster |
| 00:44.04 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | cause you're not supposed to paste in here |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | and you're using etch .. vlc isn't in etc |
| 00:44.32 | KyleH | kk |
| 00:45.28 | abrotman | etch |
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| 00:52.00 | clintsnet | hello everyone |
| 00:52.18 | Pegger | i am confused at how pam works, I want to tie pam toghter with /etc/passwd for openvpn |
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| 00:52.49 | clintsnet | I smoked too much last nite, and shouldn't of, but the job had me stressed out, and I forgot to enable IRC< because I disabled it , in my 2wire : P |
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| 00:53.31 | clintsnet | I"m having problems accessing my drives.. and also with configuring nvidia, for my nvidia geforce fx 5200, was hoping some people could help :- ) |
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| 00:55.00 | pingu | Not sure if this is the best place to ask about dupload, but! I'm trying to use scp do upload a package to a private repository. If I take the FQDN straight out of the .dupload.conf and try ssh to it, authenticates fine with a key. However, dupload <package> simply prompts for a password. |
| 00:55.01 | clintsnet | is anyone around? |
| 00:55.17 | pingu | Is that normal? Can I use keys? |
| 00:55.23 | clintsnet | hi pingu |
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| 00:55.34 | pingu | Hello clintsnet. |
| 00:55.56 | clintsnet | I tested with Mandriva 2007 PowerPack, it was a bloke :P |
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| 00:56.41 | magyar | Para bailar la bamba! |
| 00:56.50 | pingu | Ok, can someone point me to a channel where package maintainingish questions are best asked? |
| 00:57.54 | orchid | pingu debian-mentors |
| 00:57.54 | clintsnet | these are some errors that I'm getting |
| 00:58.10 | clintsnet | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error |
| 00:58.20 | clintsnet | but, dbuserror was not set. |
| 00:58.35 | clintsnet | error: device /dev/hdb5 is not removable, error: could not execute pmount |
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| 00:58.54 | clintsnet | >_<, thats just because its NTFS Eh? |
| 00:59.16 | abrotman | !mentors |
| 00:59.16 | dpkg | i heard mentors is Please /msg dpkg mg and/or try http://lists.debian.org/debian-mentors/ and/or try #debian-mentors on irc.debian.org, or http://mentors.debian.net/ |
| 00:59.31 | pingu | Thanks orchid. |
| 01:00.08 | clintsnet | hey abrotman |
| 01:00.16 | clintsnet | or orchid, can you guys help me plz |
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| 01:01.46 | abrotman | is pmount installed ? |
| 01:02.44 | clintsnet | wouldn't that install by default? |
| 01:02.57 | zamaliphe | abrotman: i have try alot of things and i can start the installer from grub but after detect my keybord it say cant mount the cdrom |
| 01:03.01 | clintsnet | also.. the issues with my nvidia, hope we can take care of that as well, |
| 01:03.22 | abrotman | i don't use nvidia |
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| 01:04.30 | clintsnet | well, I had the motherboard assembled under warranty as well as the process back in 2004, then bought an nvidia agp from him.. yeah.. I think I might try out some other agp's or pci express, but right now I just don't have the money for it yet :-) |
| 01:04.37 | zamaliphe | abrotman: so i mount the cdrom using the bild in shell in /cdrom . but the installer umount it and geav the same error |
| 01:05.12 | abrotman | ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
| 01:05.35 | Snake | Hi guys, i'm playing with debian, but am used to ubuntu... uhmm i'm not sure on the file structure of debians repos, what would I need to append to get what is the equivalent of ubuntus "universe" (I'm on etch) |
| 01:05.56 | Snake | or is "contrib" just that |
| 01:06.11 | Gnurdux | Snake, debian by default is that |
| 01:06.19 | clintsnet | hee, snake |
| 01:06.21 | clintsnet | : P |
| 01:06.22 | Snake | Alright, thanks :-) |
| 01:06.24 | Gnurdux | debian has no equivalent of "main" |
| 01:06.30 | Snake | ahh I see |
| 01:06.31 | abrotman | Snake: contrib and non-free |
| 01:06.32 | Gnurdux | all open source stuff goes in its main |
| 01:06.40 | Gnurdux | abrotman, those are multiverse in ubuntu |
| 01:06.45 | clintsnet | were on same boat, I Loved hacking ubuntu, etc.. and did alot with it.. but I figured i mines as wel just build off debian :- ) |
| 01:06.51 | Snake | non-free would be the multiverse |
| 01:06.52 | abrotman | Snake: that's the extra stuff .. but really .. universe in ubuntu is the regular debian stuff |
| 01:06.53 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i know |
| 01:07.01 | abrotman | Gnurdux: i wasn't done yet :) |
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| 01:07.05 | Gnurdux | so Snake universe mostly IS from debian main |
| 01:07.11 | Snake | Gotcha |
| 01:07.31 | Snake | I'm just playin with debian simply because I can |
| 01:07.35 | Snake | I like testing diffrent OSes :-) |
| 01:08.11 | clintsnet | snake, really comes down to hacking the system to do what you want it to do, and smiling about it too :-) |
| 01:08.20 | abrotman | !drxx |
| 01:08.20 | dpkg | from memory, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 01:08.23 | Snake | clintsnet, sure :-) hehe |
| 01:08.45 | Snake | Maybe ill make this box a webserver |
| 01:08.58 | clintsnet | I'm just trying to get a couple things.. then I"m going get my vmware workstation up and going |
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| 01:10.07 | clintsnet | I'm tired of lookin at this, 1024x768, when I know its capable of 1600x1200 pixel res, :-) and just having a bug with accessing drives , due to pmount |
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| 01:10.22 | Snake | I dont suppose debian has a lamp like metapackage? |
| 01:10.42 | CaBlGuY | there a deb package for konverter? |
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| 01:11.29 | freearly_ok | hi |
| 01:11.32 | CaBlGuY | !konverter |
| 01:12.41 | freearly_ok | How can I load the music module in qemu? |
| 01:12.42 | clintsnet | well, can anyone help me correct the problem, with it not letting me access my other drives, that I have to change around anyways :-) |
| 01:12.44 | lunitik | CaBlGuY: soundkonverter? same thing? |
| 01:12.44 | clintsnet | please |
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| 01:13.05 | CaBlGuY | lunitik: nope, konverter converts media files.. IE: AVI to MPG, etc.. |
| 01:13.14 | abrotman | freearly_ok: i think the man page tells you |
| 01:13.24 | lunitik | !info soundkonverter |
| 01:13.58 | CaBlGuY | check it... http://www.kraus.tk/projects/konverter/ |
| 01:14.23 | CaBlGuY | clintsnet: first off, you'll have to get your other drives to be auto mounted.. |
| 01:14.53 | CaBlGuY | and that's gonna be in your fstab doc.. |
| 01:14.58 | CaBlGuY | if I'm thinkin reight |
| 01:15.00 | CaBlGuY | *right |
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| 01:15.49 | Snake | I think I need a new mirror |
| 01:15.58 | menko | hi, I installed scim and scim-anthy for japanese input method. I started scim and went to gedit and pushed the activation key, control+space. I doesn't input in japanese text though. What do I need to do? |
| 01:16.00 | Snake | default is SLoooww |
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| 01:16.44 | CosmoDad | ls |
| 01:16.50 | CosmoDad | argh! |
| 01:17.02 | menko | Snake: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 01:17.36 | Snake | menko, I know ;) |
| 01:18.01 | menko | ok, heh :D. |
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| 01:26.01 | zoid | anyone know of any apps in the debian repo that can give me the beats per minute of an mp3? |
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| 01:29.09 | freearly_ok | abrotman I use the command qemu -hda /d/winxp.img -boot c -m 256 -kernel-kqemu -soundhw sb16 -localtime & |
| 01:29.24 | abrotman | are you asking me or telling me ? |
| 01:29.30 | freearly_ok | There are no any sound in the windows |
| 01:29.46 | abrotman | any errors in the console ? |
| 01:30.31 | abrotman | i'd proably use es1370 myself |
| 01:30.42 | abrotman | also .. you could ask #qemu |
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| 01:31.44 | jelly-home | zoid: tried apt-cache search bpm? |
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| 01:32.38 | zoid | jelly-home: yeah, only turns up gjay but i'm not a big fan of it :/ |
| 01:33.26 | MtJB | i just installed debian on an apple emac. how do i right click something? |
| 01:33.46 | abrotman | openapple click i think |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | !ppc |
| 01:33.48 | dpkg | somebody said ppc was is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
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| 01:40.59 | epsilon | can a filename ever contain a slash (/) in linux? |
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| 01:42.42 | amphi | epsilon: no |
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| 01:45.26 | zinx | epsilon: no /, no \0 |
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| 01:46.54 | MtJB | thaks abrotman |
| 01:46.58 | MtJB | thanks, too |
| 01:47.10 | Triona | epsilon, \ is valid, it has to be escaped. |
| 01:47.36 | Triona | Don't do it without an overwhelmingly strong reason to do so though. |
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| 01:47.56 | Triona | its annoying, and its bad karma |
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| 01:48.23 | Triona | same goes for any character you have to escape in a filename. |
| 01:50.39 | epsilon | I know, I want to cover these cases in my script, thanks :) |
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| 01:52.15 | clintsnet | so anyone know nvidia |
| 01:52.50 | clintsnet | and how i can access my drives, becuase they having a problem, however, I can just wait too, going over to friends house, work on there system , ya know windows :P.. |
| 01:53.17 | clintsnet | gonna get me that smoke too |
| 01:53.18 | clintsnet | :) |
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| 01:54.14 | Con-fuze-ed | anyone hosting a BTtracker for tonights testingCD |
| 01:54.43 | clintsnet | what ya need |
| 01:54.54 | Con-fuze-ed | oops.. not tonight.. the 10th's |
| 01:55.00 | foxy | I have a GE2000II ISA network card which is supposed to be NE2000 compatible. When detecting network card in the latest sarge cd install image it does not detect the card, what steps should I follow to fix this? |
| 01:55.25 | abrotman | it's probably ISAPnP |
| 01:55.36 | foxy | I tried that option |
| 01:55.42 | clintsnet | come on december lol |
| 01:55.45 | PumpkinPie | whats hte most popular raid controller again? they bought lsi logic |
| 01:55.48 | PumpkinPie | I forget |
| 01:55.53 | clintsnet | ;) |
| 01:56.13 | Con-fuze-ed | I am downloading etch via ftp... and it's slow... however it doesn't appear that debian.org has a BT tracker for it up... anyone got one going? |
| 01:56.25 | jelly-home | PumpkinPie: real or fake? battery backed or cheap? scsi or sata? |
| 01:56.26 | abrotman | for the netinst ? |
| 01:56.45 | Con-fuze-ed | Does the netinst have drivers for SATA |
| 01:56.46 | abrotman | who would want fakeraid ? |
| 01:56.48 | clintsnet | Con-fuze-ed: , want me send to you? |
| 01:56.51 | abrotman | Con-fuze-ed: yes |
| 01:56.52 | PumpkinPie | jelly-home: you slow piece of crap.. I was talking about 3ware |
| 01:56.58 | PumpkinPie | you monkeys |
| 01:57.10 | abrotman | way to answer the questions |
| 01:57.13 | clintsnet | and hey abrotman, think you can help me with my nvidia, geforce fx 5200, and the drive issues? when I get back? |
| 01:57.16 | Con-fuze-ed | clintsnet: please... |
| 01:57.18 | jelly-home | PumpkinPie: you cheap sata monkey, I'm not talking to you. SCSI FTW! |
| 01:57.21 | clintsnet | okay, np |
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| 01:57.26 | abrotman | clintsnet: i just said i don't have one |
| 01:57.33 | clintsnet | I'll have Fiber Optics, in a couple years, hee |
| 01:57.51 | clintsnet | oh, ya know how I can install nvidia support... etc, working with resolution etc..? |
| 01:57.55 | mrdew | hello |
| 01:57.58 | lunitik | jelly-home: how do SCSI and SATA compare performance wise these days? can't be that far apart? |
| 01:57.58 | clintsnet | I did the nvidia-settings |
| 01:58.12 | abrotman | lunitik: they still are |
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| 01:58.58 | lunitik | abrotman: have any speed comparisons? or just general statement? :P |
| 01:59.07 | Con-fuze-ed | hell where can I download the netinst for etch? |
| 01:59.11 | abrotman | what is SATA II ? 3Gb/sec ? |
| 01:59.16 | clintsnet | okay, I just need to edit... /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 01:59.18 | abrotman | !d-i Con-fuze-ed |
| 01:59.18 | dpkg | Con-fuze-ed, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 01:59.18 | lunitik | !d-i |
| 01:59.19 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 01:59.19 | zinx | abrotman: yeah |
| 01:59.20 | clintsnet | prob |
| 01:59.24 | clintsnet | hey lunitik |
| 01:59.25 | lunitik | oops |
| 01:59.26 | clintsnet | :) |
| 01:59.30 | abrotman | and SAS is up to 6Gb/sec ? |
| 01:59.32 | jelly-home | lunitik: scsi replacement is called "SAS", and is essentially SCSI over serial. |
| 01:59.37 | clintsnet | ltns |
| 01:59.38 | lunitik | clintsnet: umm, hey |
| 01:59.48 | clintsnet | he he :) |
| 01:59.54 | lunitik | jelly-home: ahh... haven't even heard of that |
| 01:59.57 | clintsnet | can ya help me with nvidia and drives not accessing when i get back, bud? |
| 02:00.16 | clintsnet | this not the wireless deal, I already got pass them issues, :-) |
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| 02:00.57 | jelly-home | lunitik: I think it's same physical connections as SATA, just talking SCSI over it. |
| 02:01.15 | abrotman | oh no .. SATA is 1.5Gb afaict |
| 02:01.15 | Con-fuze-ed | Thanks all... I don't know why I couldn't find those on the site anywhere! |
| 02:01.29 | abrotman | oh .. nope .. 3Gb |
| 02:01.48 | jelly-home | abrotman: sata -> 1.5, sata ii -> 3, I think |
| 02:02.20 | abrotman | but it's 3Gigabit/sec or about 300MB/sec |
| 02:02.48 | jelly-home | lunitik: there are nice 2.5" SAS 73GB disks in newer servers, can fit 4 or maybe even 6 disks in 1U. |
| 02:03.00 | abrotman | Ultra320 has been around forever |
| 02:03.14 | clintsnet | i'm editing the display modes now |
| 02:03.47 | lunitik | I can't seem to find any decent documents though about it? |
| 02:03.58 | abrotman | apparently if you get SAS-Wide .. you can get 12Gb/sec |
| 02:04.17 | jelly-home | lunitik: same size as SCSI disks that are usually 36, 72 or 144GB. |
| 02:04.19 | lunitik | abrotman: where are you getting these numbers from? I wanna see! |
| 02:04.36 | abrotman | lunitik: intarewb |
| 02:05.06 | lunitik | abrotman: any particular site? my google skills appear to be lacking atm |
| 02:05.16 | jelly-home | abrotman: I wonder just _what_ hardware can push 12Gbps. Note that ultra320 made sense since there were multiple disks on a channel so the channel could be saturated. |
| 02:05.22 | abrotman | lunitik: maybe you should try koogle ? |
| 02:05.33 | jelly-home | foogle? |
| 02:05.38 | abrotman | jelly-home: lunitik's pr0n collection :) |
| 02:05.40 | lunitik | abrotman: hah... no seriously |
| 02:05.55 | abrotman | anyways .. firstgen SAS is 3Gb/sec |
| 02:06.05 | jelly-home | abrotman: booble, then. |
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| 02:06.27 | lunitik | NO matter how hot she is |
| 02:07.41 | abrotman | ok .. i'm so NOT reading the SAS2 spec |
| 02:07.43 | jelly-home | At least no names were disclosed |
| 02:08.09 | lunitik | jelly-home: hah |
| 02:08.29 | jelly-home | It's funny how the buses cycle from serial to parallel every 10 years or so. |
| 02:08.59 | clintsnet | lunitik: , you think that would be okay, in a couple hours? |
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| 02:09.20 | lunitik | clintsnet: I'm surely not the best option for assistance... |
| 02:09.35 | clintsnet | you are :) |
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| 02:10.51 | clintsnet | haha |
| 02:11.02 | clintsnet | I'm just going edit the display modes, know anything with pmount? |
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| 02:12.22 | abrotman | install it ? |
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| 02:14.21 | odla | jerk keeps using my nick |
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| 02:14.50 | odla | friggin' ubuntu users |
| 02:16.42 | odla | http://www.mdcdata.com/ <- the jerk who steals my nick |
| 02:16.52 | zinx | uhm |
| 02:16.57 | zinx | register it |
| 02:17.01 | lunitik | odla: no one cares... register your nick and take it back :/ |
| 02:17.02 | odla | it is registered |
| 02:17.07 | zinx | then ghost him when he uses it. |
| 02:17.12 | lunitik | odla: then why are you complaining? |
| 02:17.13 | odla | every time i long on i have to recover it |
| 02:17.21 | odla | lunitik: cause it's a pain in the arse |
| 02:17.21 | lunitik | odla: oh well |
| 02:17.32 | lunitik | odla: its just as annoying hearing about it |
| 02:19.18 | lunitik | [19:18] [Whois] odla is a user on channels: #debian #ubuntu-se ----- [19:14] <odla> friggin' ubuntu users |
| 02:19.38 | odla | cause he was on #ubuntu-se |
| 02:19.44 | odla | so i tracked him down to message him |
| 02:21.12 | lunitik | Still almost as funny... but I digress |
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| 02:22.38 | odla | non sequitur |
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| 02:27.15 | clintsnet | ;) |
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| 02:30.06 | clintsnet | do I have to install then nvidia support, from the testing, since I"m using that, or sarge, or even heck, from ubuntu :) |
| 02:31.39 | abrotman | i think all the nvidia experts are out today .. try again tomorrow :) |
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| 02:33.30 | enouf | lunitik: fwiw - 2 sites to start with http://storagereview.com/ and http://www.interfacebus.com/Bus_Design_Top.html |
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| 02:34.18 | AlleyKat | hmm I'm trying to install mod_evasive, but don't have apxs it seems - ehm, not really sure what to do.. |
| 02:35.00 | AlleyKat | what's the debian yum equivalent if I may ask so :) |
| 02:35.06 | abrotman | to do what ? |
| 02:35.11 | abrotman | AlleyKat: which version of debian ? |
| 02:35.28 | AlleyKat | 2.6.9 |
| 02:35.35 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
| 02:35.42 | AlleyKat | 2.6.9-022stab078.21-enterprise it sez :) |
| 02:35.44 | enouf | heh |
| 02:35.48 | abrotman | that's not debian |
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| 02:35.54 | abrotman | dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:35.54 | dpkg | No packages found matching libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:36.03 | abrotman | jetscreamer: help clintsnet with nvidia so he'll be quiet :) |
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| 02:37.20 | jetscreamer | clintsnet: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` pkg-config then if you have the .run sh NVIDIA-blah.run -anN |
| 02:37.23 | jetscreamer | done |
| 02:37.28 | abrotman | he's on etch |
| 02:37.30 | clintsnet | thanks abrot, me and jetscreamer, I remember him, we get along :) |
| 02:37.47 | jetscreamer | or |
| 02:38.02 | jetscreamer | http://kanotix.com/files/install-nvidia-debian.sh |
| 02:38.04 | clintsnet | thanks jetscreamer, should I cancel editing these display modes o.o |
| 02:38.10 | jetscreamer | no |
| 02:38.12 | AlleyKat | eh o....k - webmin says Debian Linux 3.1 |
| 02:38.20 | jetscreamer | you did hwinfo --monitor ? |
| 02:38.24 | clintsnet | so I'll be quiet,, isn't this a discussion on things :( |
| 02:38.26 | abrotman | AlleyKat: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 02:38.32 | jetscreamer | make sure the correct values are in there |
| 02:38.37 | jetscreamer | vor the v&h rates |
| 02:38.39 | jetscreamer | for |
| 02:38.45 | AlleyKat | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone |
| 02:39.00 | clintsnet | yeah I know.. I"m fixing things.. because debian not super intelligent, we make it that way :- ) |
| 02:39.14 | jetscreamer | it works just fine autodetecting for me |
| 02:39.16 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 02:39.25 | clintsnet | also hey jet, I have problems accessing my drives, didn't have that before ;( |
| 02:39.26 | jetscreamer | also apt-get install read-edid mdetect |
| 02:39.35 | clintsnet | >_< |
| 02:39.45 | jetscreamer | what fs |
| 02:40.00 | clintsnet | I"m choosing to use debian testing etch, and thats what I will use, and change repositories over to stable, when it happens :-) |
| 02:40.15 | abrotman | AlleyKat: i see a mod-dosevasive .. sam ething ? |
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| 02:40.30 | clintsnet | brb, was busy working on something.. on my own, becuase I didn't think I was going to get help, and abrotman, wasn't needed :-) |
| 02:40.49 | abrotman | i wasn't needed ? |
| 02:41.05 | jetscreamer | your expertise wasn't required, a hack could do it |
| 02:41.08 | jetscreamer | :p |
| 02:41.21 | abrotman | you mean an interested hack :) |
| 02:41.38 | jetscreamer | no hack in this sense means like anybody could |
| 02:41.40 | AlleyKat | yes abrotman, same same |
| 02:41.51 | abrotman | AlleyKat: apt-cache search evasive |
| 02:41.58 | jetscreamer | the maestro did not need to be disturbed |
| 02:42.08 | AlleyKat | its instructions just says 2. Run $APACHE_ROOT/bin/apxs -i -a -c mod_evasive20.c |
| 02:42.14 | AlleyKat | ok |
| 02:42.17 | clintsnet | I'll be back, |
| 02:42.19 | jetscreamer | toshiba is gay |
| 02:42.29 | jetscreamer | but that's insulting gay ppl... sorry |
| 02:42.32 | AlleyKat | apt - so thats whats its all about |
| 02:42.33 | abrotman | hrm .. no evasive in sarge |
| 02:42.39 | jetscreamer | toshiba is < * |
| 02:42.44 | jetscreamer | nah |
| 02:42.47 | jetscreamer | gay |
| 02:42.47 | abrotman | very small ? |
| 02:42.59 | jetscreamer | very non user friendly |
| 02:43.00 | AlleyKat | very small apache module |
| 02:43.10 | AlleyKat | oh lol |
| 02:43.12 | jetscreamer | but big on 'pay me i'm toshiba your god' |
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| 02:43.42 | jetscreamer | i put a toshiba dvd that works perfectly in this other toshiba (notebooks) |
| 02:43.57 | jetscreamer | it works just fine in the new one, but it won't boot |
| 02:43.59 | AlleyKat | hm no result - sarge, yes, thats right |
| 02:44.02 | jetscreamer | from the cd/dvd |
| 02:44.10 | jetscreamer | but will in the old notebood |
| 02:44.11 | jetscreamer | k |
| 02:44.20 | amphi | toshibas are a PITA IME |
| 02:44.32 | jetscreamer | me too but i'm getting paid to fix it :) |
| 02:44.47 | jetscreamer | i have a toshiba laptop hd collection going.. 2 so far |
| 02:45.02 | KyleH | <= new debian user: my root login works from terminal, but not from x applications (synaptic, kde control center) - any reason why? |
| 02:45.03 | abrotman | install apache-dev |
| 02:45.05 | jetscreamer | nice paperweights for the office |
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| 02:45.48 | ahlfors | Dead hard drives have a nice feel to them. Nice and dense. Cool to the touch. |
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| 02:46.22 | jetscreamer | KyleH: that's a feature |
| 02:46.26 | amphi | jetscreamer: heh |
| 02:46.33 | KyleH | jetscreamer: any fix? |
| 02:46.43 | jetscreamer | you enable it in the dm usually |
| 02:46.50 | jetscreamer | kdm in the control center |
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| 02:46.55 | glick | hi |
| 02:46.59 | KyleH | jetscreamer: your boot problem is probably the bios order - make sure the bios is set to boot from cd/dvd |
| 02:47.02 | abrotman | jiminy ? |
| 02:47.09 | glick | hey has anyone tried songbird? |
| 02:47.34 | jetscreamer | the bios doesn't seem to detect it KyleH .. i've check, and even used the bbs popup and chose cd/dvd explicitly |
| 02:47.40 | abrotman | glick: ask a better question :) |
| 02:47.42 | jetscreamer | ed |
| 02:48.00 | glick | has anyone tried songbird, and if so, what are you thoughts on it? |
| 02:48.01 | jetscreamer | but it works just fine in windows |
| 02:48.02 | KyleH | jetscreamer: if the bios does not detect the cd/dvd then nothing else will see it |
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| 02:48.06 | jetscreamer | *gasp* |
| 02:48.08 | glick | hows that abrotman ? |
| 02:48.10 | clintsnet | I did things on my own, my resolution is fine :-) |
| 02:48.13 | jetscreamer | i can't boot a livecd on it :( |
| 02:48.14 | abrotman | glick: what about songbird ? |
| 02:48.28 | jetscreamer | and i can't flash the bios because i can't boot a cd |
| 02:48.30 | KyleH | jetscreamer: were you joking about kdm/control center? |
| 02:48.35 | clintsnet | whats that option, where you test your 3d graphics.. acceleration, glx-gears? |
| 02:48.36 | jetscreamer | no KyleH |
| 02:48.37 | amphi | jetscreamer: if there's a floppy driver, you could try sbm - or does it try booting off the cd/dvd and then think it's not bootable? |
| 02:48.46 | amphi | s/driver/drive |
| 02:48.50 | clintsnet | hey amphi :) |
| 02:48.56 | glick | i was just wondering how it is |
| 02:48.57 | jetscreamer | no the bios doesn't seem to detect the drive |
| 02:49.10 | jetscreamer | there's no floppy |
| 02:49.32 | amphi | jetscreamer: great - dunno if sbm works off a usb stick |
| 02:49.38 | jetscreamer | ah |
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| 02:49.48 | jetscreamer | probably does |
| 02:49.55 | jetscreamer | i do have a flashdrive somewhere |
| 02:50.38 | amphi | jetscreamer: might be worth a try, although if they're different models, the cd/dvd is probably designed to not work |
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| 02:51.32 | clintsnet | hello amphi |
| 02:51.43 | amphi | er, hello clintsnet ? |
| 02:51.50 | clintsnet | Zoo-, clint- etc |
| 02:51.55 | clintsnet | c|int |
| 02:51.58 | clintsnet | ;) |
| 02:52.14 | amphi | ah, the man with the pipe |
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| 02:52.20 | c|int | my name is clint |
| 02:52.25 | abrotman | amphi: you say that to all the strangers ... |
| 02:52.26 | AlleyKat | hm I managed to build and install the thing on fc, so I'll get there... if I do |
| 02:52.26 | AlleyKat | apt-cache search apsx |
| 02:52.26 | AlleyKat | I get: "apache-dev - development kit for the Apache webserver" - so I can install this..? and do it, right |
| 02:52.32 | amphi | abrotman: heh |
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| 02:52.41 | abrotman | AlleyKat: i said that a while ago :) |
| 02:52.52 | AlleyKat | oh damn, sorry if I missed it |
| 02:53.01 | c|int | well, I got the resolution fixed, on my workstation.. now I"m trying to access my drives, unfortunately they have ntfs, but I'm going change things <, i just was busy with a move, and working on systems, and job |
| 02:53.14 | abrotman | !ntfsro |
| 02:53.15 | dpkg | add a line similar to: /dev/hdd1 /mnt/hdd1 ntfs ro,user,auto,gid=24,uid=1001,fmask=0333,dmask=0222 to your fstab... change the hdxx and uid, and maybe the gid if you want. |
| 02:53.22 | c|int | yeah, something went wrong though abrotman |
| 02:53.34 | c|int | ah |
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| 02:54.25 | c|int | any kinds of tools , software packages I could install, let me grab, copy data, from those partitions, into my linux system etc |
| 02:54.34 | AlleyKat | ok, that linie I did miss, yes, totally |
| 02:54.42 | c|int | I know with Paragon I could, and Acronis, but thats on win |
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| 02:55.49 | black_13 | once more into the breach dear friends |
| 02:56.07 | black_13 | can i get java in debian sarge? |
| 02:56.07 | abrotman | you could turn around and go home :) |
| 02:56.12 | abrotman | !install java |
| 02:56.13 | dpkg | somebody said install java was First, read <java licensing>. Free java implementations available in debian can be seen by running "apt-cache search java-virtual-machine". if you need to run software not supported by one of the free java implementations (anything not in main), the java-package package (needs a contrib source), then ask me about <java-package> or install the sun-java5-jdk package from non-free if you're using unstable. |
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| 02:56.43 | c|int | yes black, you certainly can |
| 02:56.51 | black_13 | abrotman but i love you! |
| 02:57.01 | abrotman | there's a club for that .. |
| 02:57.04 | black_13 | its a tough love |
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| 02:57.36 | c|int | installing software packages, is easy.. editing configuration settings.. hacking scripts.. etc.. now thats diff :-) |
| 02:58.00 | KyleH | ok I'll try again. Why does my root password work from terminal (after su or su -) but not from control center or synaptic? |
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| 02:58.05 | c|int | anyone know what would be best to get the xscreensavers from.. sarge, or etch testing? |
| 02:58.25 | c|int | ? |
| 02:58.54 | c|int | you see, abrotman, I get these errors |
| 02:58.57 | c|int | libhal-storage.c 1401 : info: called libhal_free_dbus_error bu |
| 02:59.08 | c|int | dbuserror was not set. |
| 02:59.18 | c|int | o_O |
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| 02:59.31 | abrotman | google says ? |
| 02:59.42 | c|int | always something with debian, or any system, always some problems.. |
| 03:00.01 | c|int | google can kiss my a** |
| 03:00.02 | c|int | :) |
| 03:00.08 | c|int | ask says? |
| 03:00.10 | c|int | blah |
| 03:00.27 | c|int | #debian says? |
| 03:00.38 | abrotman | use google |
| 03:00.45 | c|int | okay, where is debian testing channel at |
| 03:00.53 | c|int | I'm in the wrong channel, period |
| 03:00.53 | abrotman | this is it |
| 03:00.55 | abrotman | !bts |
| 03:00.55 | dpkg | from memory, bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges |
| 03:00.58 | c|int | blah |
| 03:01.00 | abrotman | maybe you're using the wrong distro |
| 03:01.05 | c|int | no, I"m not :-) |
| 03:01.10 | abrotman | you seem incapable of doing your own reading |
| 03:01.17 | c|int | wotvr |
| 03:01.33 | c|int | you seem incapble of helping :) |
| 03:01.34 | Triona | Handholding isn't something you are likely to find from any open source project. |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | i've helped lots of people .. |
| 03:01.47 | Triona | Unless you are paying money for handholding. |
| 03:01.56 | c|int | I'm going on my own now.. have a nice life :-) |
| 03:02.14 | enouf | KyleH: seems like a k control center or kwalletmanager issue |
| 03:02.19 | c|int | telling someone google, is not helping them.. |
| 03:02.23 | c|int | thanks though :-) |
| 03:02.24 | Triona | People who volunteer their time, are only willing to do so to help those who are willing to help themselves. |
| 03:02.31 | Triona | c|int, yes, it is. |
| 03:02.33 | c|int | I don't tell people that.. so at least i"m not part of them people. telling people google it, |
| 03:02.37 | abrotman | did you even *try* to search the BTS ? |
| 03:02.44 | c|int | I'm going to read my books, and everything else. later |
| 03:02.52 | abrotman | right .. lazy people suck |
| 03:02.56 | KyleH | enouf: I considered this, but synaptic asks for root password and says "wrong password" also. Does not make sense. something is borked. |
| 03:03.06 | enouf | KyleH: does kdesu work? |
| 03:03.12 | Triona | c|int: Teaching someone to find answers is better than giving them answers. |
| 03:03.15 | iNToIT | yo |
| 03:03.16 | isofunk2 | Hi |
| 03:03.17 | eucalre | yo |
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| 03:03.25 | KyleH | I'll check, brb |
| 03:03.31 | Triona | Even if it takes them longer, they'll know how to help themselves next time. |
| 03:03.44 | AlleyKat | mod_evasive20.c: At top level: mod_evasive20.c:689: error: syntax error before "evasive20_module" etc etc etc |
| 03:03.48 | AlleyKat | hm |
| 03:03.48 | enouf | KyleH: try k package manager then |
| 03:03.57 | abrotman | yo |
| 03:04.04 | Triona | bleh, waste of breath |
| 03:04.13 | enouf | yoyo ma? |
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| 03:04.17 | calamari | hi |
| 03:04.40 | enouf | ah Fishy is here ..at long last .. yay |
| 03:04.53 | calamari | <=K |
| 03:04.54 | enouf | I like calamari .. yummy |
| 03:05.04 | black_13 | man so do i |
| 03:05.11 | black_13 | ever had a squid sandwich |
| 03:05.17 | calamari | haven't had it in a while.. need to get some |
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| 03:05.35 | calamari | nope |
| 03:05.37 | enouf | me too .. |
| 03:05.45 | calamari | just fried, boiled and sauteed |
| 03:06.05 | black_13 | i am going to visit my mum she lives in monterery cali ... fishermans warf fresh calimari with my grandpa |
| 03:06.17 | abrotman | monterey ? |
| 03:06.23 | black_13 | california |
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| 03:06.29 | calamari | I heard they were good live with some hot sauce |
| 03:06.37 | black_13 | well she lives in monterey county |
| 03:07.35 | calamari | I'd like to run a server for apache, ftp, and ssh.. should I go with stable, or is unstable okay? |
| 03:08.00 | abrotman | stable |
| 03:08.04 | calamari | k |
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| 03:08.14 | black_13 | !java |
| 03:08.15 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:08.17 | calamari | does it give me the option to install without a gui? |
| 03:08.24 | abrotman | !tell black_13 about install java |
| 03:08.32 | abrotman | calamari: it's debian .... |
| 03:08.49 | abrotman | i'm not sure we've ever even had someone seriously ask thta question :) |
| 03:08.52 | calamari | abrotman: I'm sorry.. I come from Ubuntu-land :) |
| 03:09.08 | calamari | I take it the answer is yes :) |
| 03:09.08 | black_13 | dont say that they will beat you up |
| 03:09.20 | calamari | hah |
| 03:09.26 | abrotman | calamari: you can do everything in debian without a GUI |
| 03:09.38 | calamari | why? from what I understand the Ubuntu folks contribute a lot back into Debian |
| 03:09.53 | abrotman | don't talk about it! |
| 03:10.01 | calamari | haha |
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| 03:11.41 | Guerin | stupid google analytics, why does it use flash? |
| 03:11.52 | Guerin | WHY, Iask you |
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| 03:12.11 | rata | hi |
| 03:12.12 | abrotman | at least it's not java ? |
| 03:13.15 | black_13 | abrotman you know im just pulling your leg all in good fun |
| 03:13.33 | abrotman | my leg? |
| 03:13.45 | calamari | thanks for your help :) this will be fun |
| 03:13.55 | abrotman | !ig |
| 03:13.55 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
| 03:14.13 | calamari | ahh thanks :) |
| 03:14.27 | black_13 | abrotman what you want me to pull some other part (tenticle) |
| 03:14.56 | rata | how can i know if tomcat5 was removed from testing but its planned to re-enter before etch release ? And tomcat5.5 will enter etch ? |
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| 03:22.59 | VViki | my distro is extremely old and the FTP for apt-get is dead, how can I search for updates in another ftp? |
| 03:23.28 | ahlfors | VViki, http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 03:23.51 | SkareCrow | anyone might have ideas for this... on my network this computer i am on cannot resolve this certain domain. but every other computer on this network does just fine resolving it |
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| 03:25.17 | wcstok | what's the busted machine's dns set to, and is there a /etc/hosts entry for the domain in question |
| 03:25.18 | exobyte | If I set up my firewall to forward ports 22 and 2222 to the same internal machine on port 22 (QOS stuff, 22 is high priority, 2222 bulk, file transfers), will any machines get confused, or will nat take care of this perfectly? |
| 03:25.41 | SkareCrow | wcstok: wasnt ment as a linux question |
| 03:25.56 | wcstok | it's not a particularly linux answer |
| 03:26.27 | wcstok | if you're talking windows, windows has an etc/hosts file too *shock horror* |
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| 03:26.47 | SkareCrow | im looking hld |
| 03:27.14 | zinx | wcstok: nah, it's not in etc/ on windows |
| 03:27.32 | SkareCrow | its in the windows directory |
| 03:27.36 | wcstok | winnt/system32/drivers/etc/hosts or somesuch |
| 03:27.40 | SkareCrow | but it is in \etc\hosts somewhere in the windows dir |
| 03:27.51 | wcstok | or windows\... |
| 03:27.52 | zinx | nuts |
| 03:28.20 | SkareCrow | i cant find it, the etc directory doest exist |
| 03:28.38 | black_13 | !eclipse |
| 03:28.38 | dpkg | somebody said eclipse was the end of the world, or an awesome extensible IDE written in Java. http://www.eclipse.org/, or get it from unstable |
| 03:28.38 | wcstok | whats in windows\system32\drivers |
| 03:28.44 | SkareCrow | nothing |
| 03:28.48 | SkareCrow | the etc directory doesnt exist |
| 03:29.07 | wcstok | is there anything in that directory...it might not be etc, I dont have a windows machine available to check atm |
| 03:29.19 | black_13 | what happens if i add unstable to my sources.list and then start adding unstable packages? |
| 03:29.26 | SkareCrow | its TPP |
| 03:29.43 | SkareCrow | a tpp directory |
| 03:29.55 | wcstok | and anyways, that's kinda a longshot for being the problem anyways...what domain is the issue |
| 03:30.15 | SkareCrow | hellboundhackers.org |
| 03:30.32 | SkareCrow | works fine on every other computer, i can even use something like hidemyass.com and the site works great |
| 03:30.44 | SkareCrow | its only this computer on this network that the domain cant resolve |
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| 03:31.08 | wcstok | is the machine set to use some oddball dns server |
| 03:31.19 | SkareCrow | dont think so |
| 03:31.41 | SkareCrow | if i ping hbh to just says it cannot find the host hellboundhackers.org |
| 03:31.54 | SkareCrow | from this box |
| 03:31.59 | wcstok | is this machine using the same dns server as the other ones on you rnetwork |
| 03:32.18 | SkareCrow | what do you mean? |
| 03:33.26 | SkareCrow | they are all using the same dns server |
| 03:33.41 | SkareCrow | im using a static ip i could probally disable it and have it find it by itself |
| 03:33.46 | SkareCrow | see if that solves the problem |
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| 03:35.04 | Guerin | anyone know an easy way to find the number of days between two arbitrary dates? |
| 03:35.12 | SkareCrow | hmm |
| 03:35.14 | SkareCrow | that solved the problem |
| 03:35.33 | SkareCrow | from a unix time stamp? |
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| 03:35.44 | DomCt88 | helo |
| 03:35.53 | Guerin | well, I can enter date 1 and date 2 any way you like |
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| 03:36.08 | zinx | Guerin: enter them as a unix timestamp and it's trivial |
| 03:36.17 | DomCt88 | my graphic card is not well configured as i can barely see colors, how can i configure it manually ? |
| 03:36.37 | zinx | Guerin: (date2 - date1) / (60*60*24) |
| 03:36.45 | Guerin | zinx: woah, that's scary |
| 03:37.02 | Guerin | 03:35:23 < joshe> convert to time_t and subtract, then divide by 60*60*24? |
| 03:37.26 | SkareCrow | DomCt88: get out a dremel and cut the biggest chip off your card |
| 03:37.26 | zinx | Guerin: the conversion from the year/month/day/hours/minutes/seconds<->unix timestamp is the hard part :) |
| 03:37.46 | DomCt88 | SkareCrow very funny... |
| 03:37.49 | DomCt88 | first time using debian |
| 03:38.16 | DomCt88 | i've tried reading through manuals but none of them explain me how to really configure my integrated graphic card |
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| 03:38.33 | SkareCrow | DomCt88: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7118529577072931511 <-- whatch this video :) |
| 03:38.46 | SkareCrow | show you that im for real |
| 03:39.03 | DomCt88 | :x ... let me c |
| 03:39.24 | ybgwon | DomCt88: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 03:39.40 | SkareCrow | you can do that to if you dont have a dremel |
| 03:42.15 | lunitik | enouf: ahh... thank you for the links! |
| 03:42.19 | DomCt88 | uhm |
| 03:42.26 | DomCt88 | it says that the command isn't well writen |
| 03:42.52 | DomCt88 | nvm |
| 03:42.53 | DomCt88 | :P |
| 03:43.05 | DomCt88 | wow |
| 03:43.10 | DomCt88 | interesting, i dont got xserver-xorg installes |
| 03:43.13 | DomCt88 | installed* |
| 03:43.34 | enouf | lunitik: ;-) |
| 03:43.54 | DomCt88 | lol im new man i dont know nothing about debian to be honest |
| 03:43.59 | DomCt88 | how do i install that ? |
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| 03:45.40 | enouf | !tell DomCt88 about drxx |
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| 03:46.38 | superlime | anyone have any idea why my 3ware 9500S would be getting absolutely horrible perf? I'm running 2.6.17 kernel on a dual opteron box w/ 2gb of ram.. amd64 build installed... |
| 03:46.59 | grendal_prime | has anyone heard when we will have flash8 ? |
| 03:47.11 | superlime | from the intarweb the consensus seems to be that I should get 300+mb/sec |
| 03:47.20 | superlime | but I seem to get about 30mb/sec |
| 03:47.20 | superlime | :/ |
| 03:47.23 | PumpkinPie | fdisk -l should show all the hard drives? |
| 03:47.29 | ahlfors | Never. There was an announcement that flash 9 would be released for linux shortly after the windows release |
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| 03:47.59 | grendal_prime | is there some super secret underground oh. flash 9 hu im assuming it will support 8? |
| 03:48.09 | Guerin | the really big questions is: |
| 03:48.16 | Guerin | !gafom grendal_prime |
| 03:48.16 | dpkg | Hey grendal_prime, check out the #debian give-a-fuck-o-meter, http://www.igophoto.net/xor/images/_giveahey2qt.gif |
| 03:48.25 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 03:48.30 | grendal_prime | thats damn funn |
| 03:48.33 | PumpkinPie | how should i get the model number of my sata controller ? |
| 03:48.43 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: eyeometer |
| 03:48.45 | ahlfors | superlime, might you be using a RAID5 while it is still doing the initial resync? That would kill performance |
| 03:49.23 | superlime | ahlfors: it's a raid 50 (two 6 drive raid 5s, striped together), and it's been that way for days.. initial resync completed a few days ago |
| 03:49.43 | superlime | I tried wiping out the array and starting over again, but no dice. tried xfs instead of ext3, still no dice. |
| 03:49.59 | PumpkinPie | Guerin: eyeometer ? |
| 03:50.10 | superlime | PumpkinPie: I think he means look at the chip |
| 03:50.17 | Guerin | !eyeometer |
| 03:50.17 | dpkg | if you don't know, FUCKING LOOK AT IT. |
| 03:50.23 | superlime | haha |
| 03:50.38 | ahlfors | superlime, is the 3ware card itself handling the RAID, or is it in JBOD mode with linux md driver doing the RAID? |
| 03:50.45 | superlime | 3ware card itself |
| 03:50.49 | Guerin | use of the eyeometer is a dying skill nowadays |
| 03:51.21 | superlime | I tried plopping lvm on top so I could break up the giant volume into smaller ones |
| 03:51.24 | Guerin | i remember when a reasonable person chosen at random could reliably tell you whether a car would fit into a space, or if a pot was big enough for all that stock, just by looking at it |
| 03:51.26 | ahlfors | superlime, well I probably can't help you then. Have almost no 3ware experience. But you are right you should at least be getting 100MB/s |
| 03:51.26 | superlime | but that just seemed to confues things |
| 03:51.36 | grendal_prime | Guerin, i wouldnt accpet that i purged all windows boxes from my house several years ago, and now on the rare occation that i want to view a movie or training animatioin, i have to remote into a windows box at work. |
| 03:51.47 | superlime | ahlfors: it gets *really* bad with parallel accesses too |
| 03:51.58 | Guerin | grendal_prime: i feel your pain |
| 03:52.03 | superlime | I was doing an rsync and another copy task |
| 03:52.08 | superlime | and perf dropped to like 2mb/sec |
| 03:52.12 | superlime | :/ |
| 03:52.13 | ahlfors | superlime, this is a long shot, but what IO scheduler are you using? I had big trouble with CFQ on my RAID5, it just stopped working |
| 03:52.21 | superlime | not sure |
| 03:52.24 | Guerin | grendal_prime: i had to use my wife's box just then to use google fucking analytics to get some stats for a paper I'm writing |
| 03:52.27 | superlime | which one do you use now? |
| 03:52.39 | Guerin | would you believe they need to use flash for that shit? It's just GRAPHS! |
| 03:53.04 | ahlfors | Actually, since the array is hardware raid, the scheduler wouldn't apply to individual disks, so I'm lost. |
| 03:53.18 | superlime | yeah |
| 03:53.20 | ahlfors | superlime, what is the mobo? |
| 03:53.22 | superlime | I'm pretty boggled too |
| 03:53.32 | superlime | tyan thunder pro something s2882 |
| 03:53.35 | sanmarcos | how can I put default values for my xterm? ie store them for a user? |
| 03:53.37 | superlime | I found a thread of a guy with almost the same setup |
| 03:53.49 | grendal_prime | ya, most stuff still uses 7 but some things demand 8. we just need for someone to really cross the svg barriear and say "fuck the rules" this will build and read flash as well... |
| 03:53.52 | superlime | and he was complaining because he couldn't break 400mb/sec (was getting like 375) |
| 03:54.18 | ahlfors | superlime, I have a software RAID5 with the promise sx8 controller on that same board (2xopteron 248) |
| 03:54.43 | Guerin | sanmarcos: xresources |
| 03:54.44 | ahlfors | I gather that the 3ware card is pci-X. Do you have any other pci cards in there? |
| 03:55.10 | superlime | yeah, I'm pretty sure it's pci-X |
| 03:55.18 | superlime | I had an audio/1394 card but I pulled it |
| 03:55.21 | superlime | just to reduce on variables |
| 03:55.40 | superlime | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=71294 |
| 03:56.01 | ahlfors | Yeah, that board has two independent pci-x buses. It would be very important _not_ to put a standard 33mhz PCI card on the same bus as your 133mhz pci-x controller |
| 03:56.18 | superlime | that guy has the same mobo with a little more ram, and the same rev 3ware (but with 4 less ports) |
| 03:56.20 | superlime | *nod* |
| 03:56.25 | sanmarcos | Guerin: ok, where can I find info about that? |
| 03:56.26 | superlime | it was originally on a riser card |
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| 03:56.32 | superlime | but I pulled the riser out to see if that would help |
| 03:56.34 | superlime | it didn't. :/ |
| 03:56.54 | Guerin | sanmarcos: man xterm |
| 03:56.56 | superlime | haven't tried other ports yet |
| 03:57.01 | ahlfors | Are you willing to kill the array for testing, or do you have a spare drive sitting around? |
| 03:57.03 | Guerin | sanmarcos: and man xrdb |
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| 03:57.31 | superlime | I would if I had to, but I'd rather not.. I've been backing up data to it over the last week or so |
| 03:57.35 | ahlfors | Ok, you have extra ports. Put another drive on one of them, use it in JBOD mode, deactivate the array temporarily, and see what kind of perf you can get. |
| 03:57.35 | superlime | nothing critical though |
| 03:57.50 | superlime | *nod* |
| 03:57.52 | sanmarcos | Guerin: the lords of kobol thank you |
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| 03:58.11 | superlime | good idea |
| 03:58.14 | ahlfors | A recent SATA disk should do more than 30mb/s. If it does, you at least know it has something to do with RAID |
| 03:58.24 | superlime | yeah |
| 03:58.30 | Guerin | sanmarcos: they're just a myth anyway |
| 03:58.43 | superlime | I've got the OS partition on a seperate sata disk just plugged directly into the mobo |
| 03:58.50 | superlime | and it gets ~300mb/sec |
| 03:58.57 | superlime | so I know the machine itself can handle the xfer |
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| 03:59.05 | Varange | hi there |
| 03:59.16 | superlime | but it'd be good to see if ti was something wonky just with the 3ware card |
| 03:59.21 | Varange | my mouse's scroll wheel doesn't work. How do I get it to? |
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| 03:59.39 | VViki | im trying to install java runtime as root |
| 03:59.48 | VViki | but I keep getting permission denied |
| 04:00.17 | ahlfors | superlime, wait, a single SATA gets 300mb/sec? don't think so |
| 04:00.22 | Varange | VViki, weird |
| 04:00.35 | Guerin | itym vvierd |
| 04:00.56 | Guerin | VViki: what doing? |
| 04:01.25 | superlime | unfunf:/# dbench -t 30 5 |
| 04:01.29 | superlime | Throughput 356.018 MB/sec 5 procs |
| 04:01.33 | Varange | my mouse's scroll wheel doesn't work. How do I get it to? |
| 04:01.51 | Varange | what was the name of the script to set up xserver ? |
| 04:01.53 | Guerin | !scroll wheel |
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| 04:01.57 | Guerin | bah |
| 04:02.02 | Varange | tried that guerin |
| 04:02.05 | Guerin | !listkeys scroll |
| 04:02.07 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'scroll' by key (9): scrollback ;; #debian-bots scroll ;; scroll ;; _default scroll ;; sidescroller ;; scroll mouse ;; #debian scroll ;; _default scroll mouse ;; scrollz. |
| 04:02.14 | Guerin | !scroll mouse |
| 04:02.15 | dpkg | historical info on using a mousewheel with many linux applications can be found at http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/mouse-wheel-scroll/, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, go to the mouse section, change Protocol to IMPS/2 and add 'Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"' |
| 04:02.18 | Guerin | there it is |
| 04:02.20 | ahlfors | superlime, what kind of disk is it? |
| 04:02.22 | superlime | unfunf:/raidz0r# dbench -t 30 5 |
| 04:02.25 | superlime | Throughput 33.5281 MB/sec 5 procs |
| 04:02.27 | superlime | :/ |
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| 04:02.40 | VViki | got it |
| 04:02.47 | VViki | chmod a+x |
| 04:02.50 | ahlfors | that must be an artifact of buffered I/O or something (the 300mb/sec) |
| 04:02.51 | VViki | what is a+x ? |
| 04:02.57 | superlime | can't remember off the top of my head |
| 04:03.05 | Guerin | VViki: makes a program executable for all users |
| 04:03.15 | superlime | yeah, it seemed high to me too |
| 04:03.23 | superlime | I should run bonnie++ on there and see how that goes |
| 04:03.25 | Guerin | if you don't know you REALLY ought not be setting things to it |
| 04:03.26 | VViki | oh god... |
| 04:03.32 | VViki | outdated glibc |
| 04:03.41 | ahlfors | How about a very basic test like hdparm -t -T ? |
| 04:04.00 | Varange | some dpkg-reconfigure thingy |
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| 04:04.32 | VViki | do you know any util that can recover data in my HD after formating? |
| 04:04.39 | superlime | hmf |
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| 04:05.14 | superlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.14 | superlime | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:05.19 | superlime | (sda) |
| 04:05.21 | ahlfors | superlime, yeah I don't trust these dbench results. I get 366.433 MB/sec 5 procs on my system, which is a load of crap |
| 04:05.24 | superlime | (not the raid) |
| 04:05.29 | VViki | I installed this old linux on a small partition with small swap in hope that after I install a new OS, I can recover all data that was lost on the rest of the HD space |
| 04:05.31 | superlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.31 | superlime | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:05.34 | superlime | (raid) |
| 04:05.39 | ahlfors | superlime, that 59MB/Sec is more or less accurate |
| 04:05.40 | superlime | grumble |
| 04:05.52 | superlime | maybe my testing was suspect then |
| 04:06.02 | ahlfors | That 82MB/sec might be more or less accurate for your RAID then. But that is still slower than you want. |
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| 04:06.22 | Varange | ok, found it |
| 04:06.23 | ahlfors | superlime, you should request an audience with the almighty bonnie++ |
| 04:06.24 | Varange | bye |
| 04:06.29 | superlime | *nod* |
| 04:06.34 | superlime | there's a 3ware doc somewhere |
| 04:06.39 | superlime | where they did a bunch of perf tweaking |
| 04:06.44 | superlime | and they had some example runs of bonnie |
| 04:06.48 | superlime | I should compare against theirs |
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| 04:08.00 | reklez | http://ltp.sourceforge.net |
| 04:08.14 | Rusty1 | VViki: http://lde.sourceforge.net/ |
| 04:08.21 | ahlfors | superlime, good luck |
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| 04:11.20 | PumpkinPie | a kernel image above 2.6.8 I can find? |
| 04:12.38 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: you have my permission. |
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| 04:13.53 | reklez | what are _must_have_ packages? |
| 04:14.16 | amphi | reklez: screen |
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| 04:14.27 | reklez | nm. |
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| 04:16.00 | sunway | hello everyone |
| 04:16.04 | PumpkinPie | no |
| 04:17.19 | sunway | i have a question about the DNS's auto update |
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| 04:18.06 | VViki | im sooooo... sumb |
| 04:18.08 | VViki | dumb |
| 04:18.23 | Guerin | fuck openoffice for breaking the sacred tag-and-paste-by-middleclick standard |
| 04:18.29 | VViki | i must have installed and uninstalled linux 50 times in the past days |
| 04:18.31 | Guerin | STUPIDEST design decision ever |
| 04:18.37 | Guerin | even worse than the gnome finder |
| 04:18.52 | sunway | can anybody help me? |
| 04:19.02 | Guerin | sunway: #dns |
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| 04:21.25 | tanob | hello, anybody that uses vmplayer in a debian unstable system have problems in the last days? |
| 04:21.48 | tanob | after an upgrade the vmplayer doesn't show up |
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| 04:27.08 | karsten | tanob: "doesn't show up"? |
| 04:27.16 | Guerin | tanob: stuff breaks in unstable. Deal. |
| 04:27.20 | Guerin | wtf is vmplayer anyway? |
| 04:27.24 | karsten | tanob: Is it AWOL? On vacation? Wearing a cloak of invisibility? |
| 04:27.33 | karsten | Guerin: ITII the new name for "VMWare Workstation" |
| 04:27.34 | Guerin | karsten: it's a ninja |
| 04:27.36 | tanob | karsten, the interface don't appear |
| 04:27.43 | karsten | Guerin: r u a girl? |
| 04:27.49 | KyleH | tanob: try "locate vmplayer" or "which vmplayer" from a terminal |
| 04:27.53 | KyleH | run it from there |
| 04:27.55 | karsten | tanob: run from commandline. Any error output? |
| 04:28.01 | karsten | Guerin: r u a ninja girl? |
| 04:28.02 | tanob | karsten, yes |
| 04:28.12 | karsten | tanob: Care to share or should I guess from here? |
| 04:28.15 | tanob | karsten, it says about some symbols |
| 04:28.22 | karsten | !tell tanob about smart questions. |
| 04:28.25 | tanob | let me see |
| 04:28.26 | karsten | !tell tanob about paster |
| 04:28.26 | Guerin | snick-a-snack |
| 04:28.29 | karsten | tanob: paste |
| 04:28.34 | karsten | tanob: *not* in channel. |
| 04:28.51 | AlleyKat | !botsnack |
| 04:28.51 | dpkg | AlleyKat: aw, gee |
| 04:29.02 | tanob | GCC_4.2.0 |
| 04:29.17 | Guerin | ok, wtf does that have to do with mplayer? |
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| 04:29.38 | tanob | Guerin, vmplayer, the vmware free player for hardware virtualization |
| 04:29.40 | karsten | tanob: Run whatever command you need to run. Paste *the entire output* to the paste site dpkg told you about. |
| 04:29.46 | karsten | tanob: I know the answer to your problem. |
| 04:29.49 | karsten | tanob: 32 |
| 04:29.53 | Guerin | tanob: is it in debian? |
| 04:30.04 | karsten | Guerin: third party SW from vmware. |
| 04:30.05 | tanob | karsten, 32 ? |
| 04:30.08 | karsten | tanob: Yes. |
| 04:30.15 | tanob | isnt 42 |
| 04:30.16 | Guerin | !tell tanob about nmfp |
| 04:30.17 | tanob | ? |
| 04:30.34 | karsten | tanob: Now start posting useful information, as I've told you, and I *may* be able to give you some useful guidance. |
| 04:30.54 | karsten | Guerin: Great, then don't help him. |
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| 04:31.33 | karsten | Guerin: OTOH I wouldn't mind some sane info. |
| 04:31.40 | karsten | !tell tanob about esp |
| 04:31.43 | tanob | Guerin, i think that this is a channel of debian users, anybody help if want, so, if you don't want to help, please shut up |
| 04:31.51 | Guerin | tanob: no. |
| 04:31.57 | karsten | tanob: Don't taunt the regulars. |
| 04:31.59 | karsten | Guerin: Shut up ;-) |
| 04:32.03 | Guerin | tanob: some things are on-topic and others aren't. |
| 04:32.19 | karsten | Guerin: What part of getting third-party SW to work on Debian is off-topic? |
| 04:32.28 | Guerin | now, a lot of offtopicness gets tolerated, all I'm saying is that tere ARE better places to get this sorted. |
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| 04:33.06 | Guerin | karsten: the correct thing to do is go to the vendor and say "this stopped working, help" |
| 04:33.15 | Guerin | that's why vendors are for. |
| 04:33.21 | Guerin | and what they're for, too |
| 04:33.48 | karsten | Guerin: Let's just say we've got a difference of opinion here. If it turns out that required packages were removed or otherwise changed, we might be able to provide useful guidance. |
| 04:33.57 | Guerin | that's true |
| 04:34.07 | karsten | Guerin: You're out of order here, and I really do wish you'd not provide flack. |
| 04:34.14 | karsten | tanob: How's that paste going? |
| 04:34.18 | Guerin | but it might just be a known issue that libfoo doesn';t work with vmware for some braindead vmware reason |
| 04:34.47 | tanob | karsten, first, thanks for your iniciative for help me, second, just a moment :) |
| 04:34.52 | karsten | Guerin: If we had any fucking idea of what vmware's doing other than not working, yes. Least we can do is read stdout and run strace. |
| 04:35.02 | Guerin | *shrug* |
| 04:35.04 | karsten | Guerin: Which is where I'm headed. |
| 04:35.20 | Guerin | anyone who wants a debian-based virtualisation system can use qemu, and complain all they like about it in here |
| 04:35.47 | karsten | Guerin: It's half to worse the speed of vmware, lacks a number of features. |
| 04:35.51 | Guerin | inceluding about how it's not as fast as vmware ;) |
| 04:35.54 | Guerin | hah |
| 04:35.57 | tanob | Guerin, yes, i'm trying to use it :) |
| 04:36.08 | karsten | Guerin: /whois tanob shows he's also in #qemu |
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| 04:36.32 | tanob | but it is slow, and have problems with the "kqemu" installing winxp |
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| 04:37.07 | karsten | tanob: You need to specify you're ejecting disks via the command console, if that's where you're getting stuck. |
| 04:37.27 | PumpkinPie | how do I install a .udeb ? |
| 04:37.47 | karsten | !udeb |
| 04:37.47 | dpkg | udebs are microdebs, "regular debian packages that are not policy compliant. They are used by the new debian-installer project, to build up the actual system that then installs debian." -- thus spake Joey Hess, the great debian genius |
| 04:37.54 | karsten | PumpkinPie: They're not standard Debian packages. |
| 04:38.04 | karsten | PumpkinPie: ... which is to say, they're stripped. |
| 04:38.21 | karsten | PumpkinPie: I'd start with 'dpkg -i' |
| 04:38.32 | tanob | karsten, i didn't understand, you say the /usr/bin/eject, or the eject of qemu ? |
| 04:39.28 | karsten | tanob: qemu's console menu (ctrl-2 IIRC) has a commandline console from which you can do a number of things, including eject removable media (particularly ISO images / floppy images). |
| 04:39.39 | karsten | tanob: That's what I'm referring to. |
| 04:39.55 | karsten | tanob: *Not* Linux 'eject', though you may also have to issue that if swapping a physical disk. |
| 04:40.21 | grendal_prime | by the way, i did install xp on a debian system some time back...took like a day. |
| 04:40.22 | tanob | ah ok, right, no i'm not using this kind of things |
| 04:40.45 | karsten | grendal_prime: Installed XP via what? |
| 04:40.54 | karsten | grendal_prime: wine, qemu, vmware, ... ? |
| 04:41.06 | grendal_prime | using qemu that is. works pretty good and i was able to transer the image to anouther machine and run it on it as well. |
| 04:41.16 | karsten | tanob: I've installed WinNT WS v4 under qemu. |
| 04:41.28 | karsten | tanob: Some time back, not currently accessible. |
| 04:41.28 | tanob | hum, cool |
| 04:41.36 | grendal_prime | i like the 2000 better though for speed that is |
| 04:42.22 | grendal_prime | the 2000 image i did ran fast enough to run video on...it was choppy, but it did run it and i was able to use the training videos i neede to run. |
| 04:42.32 | tanob | i had success installing winxp yesterday using qemu, it was very quick, but after kidding with the save_vm/load_vm, the winxp crashed, and i went to reinstall, but wasn't the same quick experience :/ |
| 04:42.39 | karsten | grendal_prime: Raw qemu or kqemu plugin? |
| 04:42.59 | grendal_prime | just the qemu, i have not triekd the kqemu yet |
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| 04:43.21 | karsten | Me neither |
| 04:44.09 | tanob | karsten, just a moment, i'm reinstalling vmplayer, after that i'll paste the whole output |
| 04:44.25 | karsten | OK. |
| 04:44.34 | tanob | but i remember that the problem is that symbol GCC_4.2 is needed by stdc++ |
| 04:44.54 | karsten | tanob: Essentially: command output (stdout/stderr) and if that's not useful, strace output, can be very useful in sorting out what's not working properly. |
| 04:44.55 | tanob | GCC_4.2.0, that's the right symbol |
| 04:45.08 | karsten | tanob: Also gives you something to search for in Google. |
| 04:45.14 | grendal_prime | by the way all of you who are dinking with qemu..something you need to keep in mind (this you may know and may seem stupid to mention) if you just shut that app down, without actually running the shutdown sequence that widows prefers, its basically like unpluggin the box with windows running, it can fuk it up. (ive seen it happen) |
| 04:45.29 | tanob | hehe, i'm fighting with this for more than 24h :) |
| 04:45.32 | karsten | grendal_prime: Right. |
| 04:45.37 | karsten | grendal_prime: How about snapshotting? |
| 04:45.39 | tanob | google don't love me for this problem :~ |
| 04:45.50 | karsten | grendal_prime: One o fthe nice features of VMWare proper. |
| 04:46.00 | grendal_prime | snapshotting? |
| 04:46.08 | karsten | tanob: Even if you don't find an answer, posting to a good mailing list (eg: debian-user) can be quite useful. |
| 04:46.47 | grendal_prime | well i have started copying the image while it was running, it worked fine, when i fired it up on the other machine even the apps that were running on machine 1 were up and running...kinda werid really. |
| 04:46.50 | karsten | grendal_prime: Taking a snapshot of a VM state. That's something you can roll back to or start from at a later point in time. Equivalent to "yanking the plug" but without all the bad parts. |
| 04:47.46 | grendal_prime | you can copy the file over and over, i mean its literally just a file in the users space, |
| 04:47.57 | karsten | right. |
| 04:48.04 | karsten | I know, that's pretty cool. |
| 04:48.21 | grendal_prime | i have a working copy and a backup. i use it to watch viruses run there course (from outside the os) |
| 04:48.31 | karsten | :-) |
| 04:49.52 | grendal_prime | pretty fkn cool when you think about it.. its sort of...well godlike..you just dupe a working living os..hehehe sort of digital equiv of cloning your kid, then you inject a virus...and whammo you get to watch everthing from a save linux distance. |
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| 04:50.47 | grendal_prime | you can monitor the ports on the quasi netork it has..see how it squirms and where it tries to get out ... |
| 04:50.50 | grendal_prime | that sort of thing |
| 04:50.56 | litage | is there a CLI command that will translate paths containing one or more "../"? eg: /var/lib/../spool/ --> /var/spool/ |
| 04:51.10 | karsten | grendal_prime: run the whole thing under gdb as well. |
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| 04:51.36 | grendal_prime | gdb? |
| 04:51.48 | cast | anyone around replace metacity with e16 in gnome? when i select enlightenment+gnome in GDM i get an error unable to launch "starte16 GNOME". not sure if it's a bug in the pkging or an oversight on my part |
| 04:52.58 | tanob | qemu will be a good option, better than vmware |
| 04:53.15 | tanob | but, at the moment, have some crucial points that need to be fixed |
| 04:53.17 | SubStack | litage: echo "/var/lib/../spool/" | sed -r 's![^/]+/../!!g' |
| 04:53.18 | SubStack | like that? |
| 04:54.13 | karsten | SubStack: You need to nuke the '..' plus whatever prior path element occurs. |
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| 04:54.45 | SubStack | that's what I did |
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| 04:56.53 | tanob | karsten, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4065 |
| 04:57.07 | karsten | OK |
| 04:57.08 | litage | SubStack: looks like that works, though i'm still trying to wrap my head around HOW it works... |
| 04:57.35 | karsten | tanob: Looks like a problem within VMWare's own installation. |
| 04:57.56 | karsten | SubStack: Ah. |
| 04:58.21 | tanob | the symbol `GCC_4.2.0' was inserted by the upgrade |
| 04:58.31 | tanob | how can i downgrade this? |
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| 04:59.09 | karsten | tanob: Not sure. |
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| 04:59.27 | jason2343 | Hello everyone. I've been having a recurring problem with my Debian Sarge 3.1 box. I'm getting a kernel panic and hard lockup every 7-10 days and I don't know why. The last time it happened I posted the relevant syslog output and I was told to keep a log of my free memory with "free" and to run filesystem checks on my partitions. I forced checks on all my partitions and corrected any errors that were found. I included the syslog from |
| 04:59.41 | SubStack | litage: replace one of more instances of characters that are not / followed by a /../ with nothing |
| 04:59.46 | karsten | jason2343: Smells like HW issues. |
| 05:00.05 | jason2343 | karsten: like what? I have a lot of hardware in that box. |
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| 05:00.25 | litage | SubStack: yeah i'm just seeing the light now. ingenious :) |
| 05:00.29 | karsten | jason2343: Check all cables & card seatings. Reseat RAM. Examine mobo for physical damage, particularly bad capacitors (see Wikipedia article on same for photos of what to look for). |
| 05:00.46 | jason2343 | karsten: it's a mythtv server with 4 hard drives, 2 tuners (1 ivtv, 1 bttv) etc. |
| 05:00.50 | karsten | jason2343: Run memtest86+ at boot for 4-8 hours as well. |
| 05:01.06 | karsten | jason2343: Might try unplugging cards to see if any specifically are causing issues. |
| 05:01.09 | jason2343 | i was told it might be some problem with the filesystem as i have a 450 GB LVM spanning 4 drives |
| 05:01.36 | jason2343 | karsten: thanks for the recommendation |
| 05:01.43 | foxy | I just got my network card running but dhcp discover is not finding my dhcp server. Exactly the same network cable works for my windows machine |
| 05:02.01 | jason2343 | i'll check the card seatings and run memtest overnight. This is really frustrating. I think i've run memtest before, but it can't hurt to do so again. |
| 05:02.43 | jason2343 | karsten: if i were to remove cards what would you recommend first. I have 2 tuners, an sblive soundcard, an extra IDE controller (which i can't remove) |
| 05:04.26 | jasonwc | karsten: i'm just not sure where to start because so many things could be causing this problem. It's been happening for a while now. At first I thought it was something wrong with Debian or some piece of software I was running. It happens infrequently enough that it's really hard to test for. I have to wait 1- 1.5 weeks to find out if the problem still persists. |
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| 05:10.53 | AlleyKat | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4066 I must be doing something terribly wrong maybe? |
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| 05:11.19 | SkareCrow | is it possible to remove the last login and you have mail information when people login/ |
| 05:11.20 | SkareCrow | ?* |
| 05:12.26 | cast | sure is. |
| 05:12.47 | enouf | jasonwc: make sure your cron.weekly (?) job is not trying to run when you're already using/maxing the system resources |
| 05:14.42 | SkareCrow | cast: might be able to tell me? |
| 05:14.43 | SkareCrow | lol |
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| 05:17.11 | tanob | karsten, anyway, thanks |
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| 05:21.07 | jasonwc | karsten: i'm also having a weird problem where i'm losing time very quickly- perhaps 2-3 minutes in an hour or two! I have to run ntp every 1-5 minutes to keep my time in good synchronization which is needed for mythtv. Could this be a related issue? Oh, and I replaced my CMOS battery with a known working one but still have the same problem. |
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| 05:23.51 | jeffrin | hello all |
| 05:25.42 | calamari | I'm used to configuring the firewall with firestarter.. is there a friendly way to configure it via console? |
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| 05:26.15 | amphi | calamari: iptables ;) |
| 05:26.19 | sep | calamari, i prefer the shorewall frontend |
| 05:26.34 | amphi | calamari: there are ncurses frontends I believe |
| 05:26.55 | calamari | hmm, looks like neither of those are installed :) thanks for the suggestions |
| 05:27.58 | calamari | iproute... unavailable? |
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| 05:28.05 | calamari | I must need to edit my repos |
| 05:29.01 | SkareCrow | how do i make it so that it doesnt show lastlog when i sign in or mail |
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| 05:31.41 | litage | SubStack: hrmm, just found a path where your "../" translator doesn't completely work :( echo "/etc/../var/log/apt/../../spool/" | sed -r 's#[^/]+/../##g' spits out /var/log/../spool/ |
| 05:32.23 | SubStack | hmmm |
| 05:32.54 | Azar | that looks neat, aptitude now sees what packages are not used and offers to remove them on "upgrade" command? |
| 05:33.21 | SubStack | litage: is perl ok? |
| 05:33.33 | enouf | Azar: yep .. ripped out some 500+ pkgs the first and last time I used it |
| 05:33.40 | jasonwc | karsten: I opened up my case. Everything was connected tightly except for one of the tuner cards. It was loose in its PCI slot. Could that have caused the problem- even though the card worked and would record? |
| 05:34.10 | cast | SkareCrow: eh, hmm, i could. but that would involve me googling, the way i see it is you might as well google it :) |
| 05:34.13 | Azar | enouf: I wonder why xserver-xfree86 is on the axe list? |
| 05:34.35 | Azar | wow 500 I doubt I have so many |
| 05:34.40 | SkareCrow | cast: i am googling |
| 05:34.43 | calamari | can someone please complete this /etc/apt/sources.list line for me (sarge): deb http://archive.debian.org/ (...?...) |
| 05:34.50 | SkareCrow | cast: i am following the login proccess trying to find where it is called |
| 05:35.25 | enouf | It's like a horrible MS Word nightmare replay .. where the fscken stupid app would start removing menu items, just b/c you haven't used them in a while .. how fscken stoopid is that .. (btw I never used any of that crap -- but had to hear millions moan over it)) |
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| 05:35.50 | enouf | Azar: got Xorg installed? |
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| 05:36.14 | Azar | enouf: I doubt it, I am on sarge with the old xfree |
| 05:36.21 | jeffrin | is there any tool to check if a given IP address is private or public |
| 05:36.22 | litage | SubStack: yeah definitely |
| 05:36.34 | Azar | enouf: I declined to remove, it looks too strange |
| 05:36.39 | enouf | Azar: that's not good then |
| 05:36.40 | SubStack | one moment, I've done this before |
| 05:36.58 | litage | SubStack: i was just thinking about looping on that command until there aren't anymore "../"s |
| 05:37.01 | enouf | Azar: are there ONLY sarge repos in sources.list? |
| 05:37.20 | Azar | enouf: thats from four days ago when I did update/upgrade for security, it got me xdm and I removed it |
| 05:37.45 | cast | SkareCrow: /etc/profile looks good |
| 05:37.59 | Azar | enouf: yup but you see.... I am pissed off that I have to use the "stable" stanza instead of "sarge" |
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| 05:38.05 | calamari | I must be looking in all the wrong places |
| 05:38.15 | Azar | and now... with the new stable coming... god knows whats going on |
| 05:38.17 | calamari | where can I find a sample sources.list |
| 05:38.25 | cast | SkareCrow: or on a personal basis ~/.bash_profile and ~/.bashrc |
| 05:38.37 | Azar | calamari what version of Debian you have? what release? |
| 05:38.42 | pstickne | everyone ready for iceweasel? :P |
| 05:38.47 | SkareCrow | i know this, but i cannot find where its calling lastlog and mail |
| 05:38.51 | enouf | Azar: wtfdthtdwtpotic? ... but never heard of that issue .. |
| 05:38.53 | jasonwc | what would cause my system clock to lose several minutes every hour if i have a known working CMOS battery that operates OK without such clock issues in another computer? |
| 05:39.07 | calamari | Azar: 3.1r3 |
| 05:39.15 | pstickne | jasonwc, that's a good bit of loss :) is it the hw clock or the sw clock? |
| 05:39.26 | Azar | enouf: I would think that in the eve of a new release using the "name" instead of the "version" would be sane |
| 05:39.26 | enouf | jasonwc: delete windows |
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| 05:39.35 | jasonwc | enouf: i have |
| 05:39.38 | Azar | calmari ok I will give you one |
| 05:39.44 | calamari | Azar: thanks a lot |
| 05:39.46 | enouf | Azar: where are you getting this info from? |
| 05:39.47 | jasonwc | enouf: this is a pure debian server- mythtv, apache, openvpn, freeradius |
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| 05:40.13 | Azar | calamari: deb ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib |
| 05:40.15 | jasonwc | pstickne: the linux clock- i assumed it was affecting the system clock because i thought that's what debian was using for its time |
| 05:40.21 | enouf | jasonwc: then hwlock --hwtosys / --systohw .. man hwclock |
| 05:41.02 | Azar | enouf: that what I used to use when on woody: "woody" instead of "stable" back then and it served me to stay with it until I decided to go for "sarge" |
| 05:41.12 | calamari | Azar: excellent, thank you! |
| 05:41.20 | Azar | enouf: now if I rename the "stable" to sarge, the archives will not work |
| 05:41.40 | Azar | my personal opinion: not good |
| 05:41.52 | SubStack | litage: echo "/var/lib/foo/../../spool/" | perl -pe'1 while s![^/]+/../!!g' |
| 05:41.56 | enouf | Azar: but ftp://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/dists/sarge exists .. that's weird .. likely a BUG from the woody upgrade |
| 05:41.59 | SubStack | seems to work |
| 05:41.59 | jasonwc | pstickne: i just restarted a few minutes ago and hwclock shows "Mon 16 Oct 2006 01:41:36 AM EDT -0.849769 seconds" |
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| 05:42.14 | jasonwc | and a few seconds later- Mon 16 Oct 2006 01:42:05 AM EDT -0.971264 seconds |
| 05:42.17 | SubStack | I was looking for a URI module that does it first, but didn't see any |
| 05:42.22 | calamari | Azar: is that out of your personal file? it's not working for me |
| 05:42.27 | Azar | enouf: probably, its just a matter of getting the archives to respond to "sarge" which they do not |
| 05:42.39 | pstickne | jasonwc, by a few you mean 29? :( |
| 05:42.57 | Azar | calamari: yes it is from my file but the archive is in germany... maybe that why does not work for you.. |
| 05:42.59 | enouf | Azar: I recall reading of many such issues .. but what does it really nmatter? |
| 05:43.04 | jasonwc | pstickne: yes- so it lost a tenth of a second in 1/2 a minute |
| 05:43.26 | pstickne | jasonwc, just leave the computer on all the time ;) |
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| 05:43.44 | Azar | enouf: two months from now when I will request update/upgrade while in sarge I will actually access the etch archives.. :( |
| 05:43.44 | enouf | Azar: hold .. I may have a solution |
| 05:43.48 | jasonwc | pstickne: i do- it runs 24/7 when i'm not getting kernel panics :) |
| 05:44.05 | enouf | Azar: exactly the way it should be |
| 05:44.13 | dasunt | How difficult is it to get debian to RAID a root filesystem? |
| 05:44.19 | Azar | enouf: that means I will not upgrade anymore |
| 05:44.22 | jasonwc | pstickne: i have to run an ntp update every minute to keep the clock synchronized |
| 05:44.34 | pstickne | jasonwc, that just sounds like really bad juju. I think most system clocks are based off a quartz. |
| 05:44.50 | jasonwc | pstickne: i was just wondering what would cause such a problem if the CMOS battery was OK. I was thinking it may be related to my kernel panic problem. |
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| 05:45.08 | enouf | Azar: Oh ..that's diffferent then .. but sarge will be no longer supported, hence no more upgrades -> IINM .. so what good is that? |
| 05:45.19 | pstickne | battery would just make it work or not; I've never had experience with any noticable shift (it works or doesn't work afaik) |
| 05:45.26 | dasunt | !raid |
| 05:45.26 | dpkg | raid is probably Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks, the opposite of SLED, or what master.debian.org doesn't have See also: raid {0-5}, or http://people.debian.org/~blade/install/preload/, or see http://www.adaptec.com/worldwide/product/markeditorial.html?prodkey=quick_explanation_of_raid, or see <software raid> |
| 05:45.46 | litage | SubStack: cool, thanks. i came up with something similar, but not as compact :) |
| 05:45.46 | dasunt | !raid 5 |
| 05:45.46 | dpkg | hmm... raid 5 is striping+parity, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAID#RAID_5 |
| 05:45.46 | Azar | enouf: I like to linger few more months with sarge .. then I will directly upgrade |
| 05:45.46 | dasunt | !software raid |
| 05:45.46 | dpkg | somebody said software raid was commonly used to describe RAID facilities in the Linux kernel. This means that you can RAID with any disks, with no need for a "special" (read winmodem) hardware controller. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Software-RAID-HOWTO.html |
| 05:45.46 | jasonwc | pstickne: i see |
| 05:45.46 | sep | dasunt, quite easy. just keep in mind that /boot must be a dedicated partition, or a raid1, not any other raid level. also im not sure on how well grub handle raid, but that's what google is for |
| 05:45.59 | enouf | Azar: I mean like woody is no longer supported now .. you can't keep upgrading a non-supported system .. there are no upgrades left :-) |
| 05:45.59 | calamari | Azar: ahh, got it.. I needed to do apt-get update before running aptitude |
| 05:46.06 | dasunt | sep: Hmmmm. I'm debating RAID 5 over 3 disks for the root filesystem. |
| 05:46.08 | calamari | Azar: thanks for your help |
| 05:46.16 | enouf | Azar: ok .. then ONLY update and not Upgrade |
| 05:46.21 | Azar | calamari: my pleasure |
| 05:46.23 | sep | dasunt, that will work as long as you have /boot on a raid1 |
| 05:46.23 | jasonwc | pstickne: so, do you have any experience diagnosing kernel panics? I'm getting a kernel panic every 7-10 days and I don't know why. Here's the output of syslog. http://pastebin.ca/204702 |
| 05:46.51 | sep | dasunt, you can have /boot as part of your / fs , but then / can only be raid1 (obviously) |
| 05:47.02 | pstickne | jasonwc, you could turn the system off for a day and measure hw clock shift -- if it occurs then I'd definitely point to a faulting motherboard. |
| 05:47.02 | Azar | enouf: personally I could be on woody too.. for what I use, it is enough |
| 05:47.07 | jasonwc | pstickne: the last time it happened i started a cron job to run free every minute to make sure i wasn't running out of memory- which i wasn't. I had 100 MB free when the kernel panic occured. I also ran file system checks on all my partitions |
| 05:47.16 | dasunt | sep: How would I do that? Do one partition as RAID 1, and the other partition as RAID 5? |
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| 05:47.28 | sep | dasunt, yes |
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| 05:47.41 | Azar | etch is excellent for newer systems and people liking desktops and gadgets, even games |
| 05:47.44 | dasunt | Interesting. |
| 05:47.53 | sep | and i usualy put swap on raid1 too, |
| 05:47.57 | jasonwc | pstickne: why wouldn't the hardware clock shift while off if it's shifting while on? |
| 05:48.19 | sep | since ripping swap out under the kernel in case of a diskfail will surely bring it crashing down. |
| 05:48.43 | pstickne | jasonwc, it should |
| 05:48.45 | dasunt | Hmmm. |
| 05:49.06 | Azar | enouf: hmm the last upgrade I did last week was really strange, it claimed to upgrade all X system, xfree86 that is, now when I do upgrade it says is unused and offers to remove, really strange |
| 05:49.20 | dasunt | So basically, for disks sd[a-c], I want 3 partitions: boot (RAID 1), swap (RAID 1) and the rest (RAID 5). |
| 05:49.26 | sep | pstickne, are you not running ntp ? or any such tool ? |
| 05:49.29 | jasonwc | pstickne: so if the hardware clock doesn't lose time while off but does when on i likely have a motherboard problem? |
| 05:49.30 | Azar | it might be an xorg push-up |
| 05:49.34 | pstickne | jasonwc, err, should shift. but it's like a "I've taken out the OS and the motherboard still chumps" |
| 05:49.40 | pstickne | sep, no, I'm not :) |
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| 05:50.23 | sep | pstickne, then it will shift, no mattter if it's on or off. mb quartz are notoriusly incorrect. |
| 05:50.38 | pstickne | sep, a few seconds an hour? |
| 05:50.45 | pstickne | sep, this is jasonwc's problem |
| 05:50.48 | jasonwc | pstickne: but isn't the hardware clock independent of the OS. I would think it would operate the same regardless of OS, and regardless of whether it's on or not. |
| 05:51.15 | sep | pstickne, that was a bit much, (unless it's on virtualization) |
| 05:51.15 | pstickne | jasonwc, it's just trying to remove one more variable. |
| 05:51.34 | jasonwc | sep: yeah, but mine shifts a few seconds every few minutes and a few minutes every few hours! |
| 05:51.38 | dasunt | OTOH, I could skip the difficulty of RAID 5 and do RAID 1 + hot spare. |
| 05:51.46 | pstickne | jasonwc, ohh, heh, I guess I understated it :P |
| 05:51.46 | sep | jasonwc, it's not on vmware ? |
| 05:52.17 | pstickne | I would use RAID 5 if I could. |
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| 05:52.26 | pstickne | And had a hardware card for it. |
| 05:52.42 | jasonwc | after a day shows were recording 10 minutes off schedule |
| 05:52.45 | sep | dasunt, or jsut get a 3ware card :) |
| 05:52.59 | dasunt | sep: Heh, that's expensive. |
| 05:53.07 | sep | dasunt, and well worth the money |
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| 05:53.10 | jasonwc | it seems it loses time more quickly over a short period and then slows down. |
| 05:53.19 | pstickne | They aren't that expensive. |
| 05:53.26 | dasunt | sep: This server cost me $30, complete with dual PIII 450's, 768MB of memory, and 3 hot-swap 9GB hard drives. |
| 05:54.15 | Azar | heard that dual is actually slower than a single cpu |
| 05:54.24 | jair | hey guys, I am trying to figure out how can I add the support for Korean Languages on my debian sarge 3.1 |
| 05:54.29 | enouf | dasunt: that would make my main system worth about ... erm $12.50 or so :-p |
| 05:54.32 | dondelelcaro | Azar: depends on what you're doing. |
| 05:54.44 | dondelelcaro | jair: if you mean seeing kroean, you just ahve to build the locales and use the appropriate fonts |
| 05:54.48 | dasunt | enouf: Heh. On the downside, this is a dell. :( |
| 05:54.52 | Azar | dondelelcaro: was reading it on some gaming benchmark news site |
| 05:55.06 | enouf | dasunt: ahhh .. not thanks .. :-) |
| 05:55.19 | enouf | no* |
| 05:55.23 | Azar | and it is said quad be the same |
| 05:55.25 | jair | dondelelcaro: I want to see them and alos type or write with it. |
| 05:55.38 | sep | jasonwc, sounds strange try running ntp |
| 05:55.58 | jasonwc | sep: i am- every minute |
| 05:55.59 | jair | but once I have it installed, will be very difficult swith from Korean to US english? |
| 05:56.07 | dasunt | Yah, dell hardware is interesting. |
| 05:56.11 | jasonwc | sep: that's what happened when i didn't run ntp constantly |
| 05:56.21 | enouf | sep: he ever answer your 'virtualization' question ?? didn't respond to mine either earlier neither |
| 05:56.23 | sep | jasonwc, every minute ? ntp runs as a daemon |
| 05:56.28 | dasunt | This shipped with a hardware RAID card. One that isn't supported by the mainstream kernel. :( |
| 05:56.33 | sep | enouf, no he never did |
| 05:56.43 | enouf | sep: figures |
| 05:56.46 | sep | dasunt, use the backported sarge installer |
| 05:56.55 | dasunt | sep: ? |
| 05:57.12 | sep | dasunt, or use etch since it's soon(tm) to be stable anyway |
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| 05:57.44 | dasunt | December 1st, IIRC. |
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| 05:58.06 | sep | jasonwc, is that server running on real hardware or on virtualization like vmware/xen/qemu/ ? |
| 05:58.33 | Azar | enouf: I have etch installed on another box, I upgraded from sarge back in July, for some configurations reasons I like to run sarge on this box, otherwise its ok, runs nice |
| 05:58.47 | dasunt | http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/34/ |
| 05:59.00 | Azar | woot we got news? |
| 05:59.13 | sep | Azar, look at the date :) |
| 05:59.18 | dasunt | What does the backported sarge installer do? |
| 05:59.25 | Azar | ah, 2003 |
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| 06:00.05 | dasunt | Yah, Sarge had a 6 month delay between the DPL wanting to make it stable and it becoming stable. |
| 06:00.05 | Azar | I was looking for some news, alas the freshest one is from Sept 26 |
| 06:00.50 | jasonwc | jasonwc: real hardware |
| 06:00.50 | Azar | for one I am sure I will have hard time adapting to xorg |
| 06:00.58 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:00.58 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 06:01.03 | jasonwc | sep: i run /etc/init.d/ntpd update as a cron job once a minute |
| 06:01.42 | jetx | ok so say i have an hd i can trash if i want, and an iso of a bootable dvd... and the hd is empty, and i do dd if=/blah.iso of=/dev/hda not that it would be hda... does it boot? and what if i did hda1 with the iso of the bootable dvd? |
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| 06:02.03 | jasonwc | sep: sorry, "/etc/init.d/ntpdate restart" |
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| 06:02.43 | jasonspiro | hi all: 2006-10-16 01:56:45 1GZLSu-0002Qd-Rv ** root@jspiro.com R=smarthost T=remote_smtp_smarthost: SMTP er |
| 06:02.46 | jasonspiro | ror from remote mail server after MAIL FROM:<>: host smtp-rog.mail.yahoo2.akadns.net [206.190.36.18] |
| 06:02.47 | dasunt | sep: What does the backported sarge installer do? |
| 06:02.49 | jasonspiro | : 530 authentication required - for help go to http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/mail/pop/pop-11.html |
| 06:03.03 | nMosila | what is debian version? |
| 06:03.05 | jasonspiro | how can I trace the entire SMTP conversation my exim4 is having with my smtp server? |
| 06:03.20 | tarzeau | jasonspiro: ngrep port 25 ? |
| 06:03.29 | jasonspiro | tarzeau: cool. will try. |
| 06:03.34 | Azar | nMosila: oldstable, stable, testing and unstable |
| 06:03.41 | enouf | Azar: well since you've run woody for so long after even sarge was released .. why not continue in that vein .. just be ery careful of security related issues |
| 06:03.44 | tarzeau | Azar: don't forget experimental |
| 06:03.45 | Azar | hi tarzeau :) |
| 06:03.49 | enouf | s/ery/very |
| 06:03.54 | nMosila | Azar: current stable |
| 06:04.12 | Azar | enouf: exactly for security issues |
| 06:04.20 | Azar | nMosila: sarge |
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| 06:04.34 | nMosila | oh, thanks |
| 06:04.42 | Azar | tarzeau: does experimental have a toy name? |
| 06:04.50 | tarzeau | Azar: no, and it's not complete |
| 06:04.57 | sep | jasonwc, ntp should be started aty boot and not done anything with |
| 06:05.07 | enouf | Azar: you know.. I'm on a an updated/upgraded Sid .. if it ain't broke .. don't fix it :-p |
| 06:05.16 | sep | jasonwc, if it's sarge you should also install ntpdate, |
| 06:05.21 | enouf | Azar: or.. fix it till it breaks |
| 06:05.26 | jasonwc | sep: i did install ntpdate |
| 06:05.37 | Azar | enouf: I tried sid, like 2 years ago, it worked nice, and died silent |
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| 06:05.39 | jasonwc | sep: my cron command restarts ntpdate which updates the clock |
| 06:05.41 | sep | jasonwc, so when ntpd is started at boot you can use ntpq (and type peer) too see how much you drift |
| 06:05.45 | enouf | Azar: hehe |
| 06:05.58 | sep | jasonwc, you said you used ntp ? |
| 06:06.07 | jasonwc | sep: i can already do that- when ntpdate is restarted it shows the time drift in syslog |
| 06:06.17 | jasonwc | sep: yeah- sorry, i corrected myself in a later comment |
| 06:06.21 | Azar | enouf: you know I liked the way it died, elegantly... stuff started dissapearing from my screen one by one, without panic |
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| 06:06.35 | jair | it is anyone here using debian in Korean or Chinese sometimes? |
| 06:06.40 | jair | or Japanese? |
| 06:06.41 | jasonspiro | !ko |
| 06:06.42 | dpkg | somebody said ko was KNOCK OUT, or danish for cow mooooo |
| 06:06.45 | jasonspiro | !jp |
| 06:06.45 | dpkg | hmm... jp is Japan |
| 06:06.46 | sep | jasonwc, ntpdate is nice for setting correct time on boot, ntp is nice for staying on time |
| 06:06.51 | jasonspiro | !zh |
| 06:06.51 | dpkg | well, zh is see cn |
| 06:06.54 | jasonspiro | !cn |
| 06:06.55 | dpkg | it has been said that cn is China, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh, or for help in chinese please /j #debian-zh Please use UTF-8, for IRC help see http://tinyurl.com/8yrj9 | Qt/KDE è¿æ¸¡æå¼å§ï¼è¯¦æ请é读 |
| 06:07.09 | jasonspiro | sorry for spam all. jair: the people in #debian-zh do. |
| 06:07.23 | enouf | Azar: I really would like to help with finding/reporting/(possibly help fixing) Bugs in newer versions .. but I need other pcs here, and my time is spread all over the place, in the non-virtual world |
| 06:07.25 | jasonwc | sep: oh, how often does ntp run? |
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| 06:07.33 | jair | ok thanks |
| 06:07.51 | Azar | enouf: I have spare boxes I could hook one for you |
| 06:07.56 | jair | jasonspiro: Thank you I will check right now |
| 06:08.10 | jasonspiro | all: thats odd. is there no debian korean channel? jair: youre welcome |
| 06:08.17 | jasonspiro | or japanese? |
| 06:08.31 | jasonwc | sep: right now i'm really more worried about getting my machine to stop having kernel panics, heh |
| 06:08.41 | sep | jasonwc, it's a daemon it's running all the time |
| 06:08.55 | jair | jasonspiro: I did not found anybody on those channels |
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| 06:09.01 | enouf | Azar: thanks .. but I actually have a few 3/4 built boxes here .. just need to move stuff around, set stuff up, buy a few components .. blah |
| 06:09.15 | jasonwc | sep: i know- but how often does it attempt an update to synchronize? The daemon can run 24/7 but only update every hour |
| 06:09.24 | jasonwc | i need it to update every 1-5 minutes at the most |
| 06:09.34 | Azar | enouf: the issue is, for testing newer hardware would be the best, since the future versions will need to run on those |
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| 06:09.49 | jasonspiro | jair: you may want to try a non-american IRC server -- Freenode is very english-centric. or ask a general zh or linux-zh channel. |
| 06:09.52 | sep | jasonwc, read about it. i can't be bothered relaying the docs to you |
| 06:10.00 | jasonspiro | jair: if none of those help, ask the mailing lists. |
| 06:10.06 | jasonwc | sep: ok, thanks for your help thus far |
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| 06:10.22 | jasonwc | sep: just installed the docs |
| 06:11.48 | enouf | Azar: you are kind though ... thank you - plz help another (others) who can use your talents, benefit from your charitable ways ;-) Testing New Hardware? .. that's more for developement .. yes and very important too -- but knowing an upgrade breaks a known "working" system is also a major area |
| 06:11.52 | jasonspiro | tarzeau: thanks! i didnt know such a cool thing as ngrep existed. |
| 06:12.28 | enouf | !SundayCustomerLate |
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| 06:13.35 | jair | jasonwc: thnak you |
| 06:14.25 | k-man__ | is slimserver an open source project? |
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| 06:14.50 | eggleston | anyone know if the reason there are no pcmcia modules available in the repos for kernel 2.6 is because there are standard? |
| 06:15.18 | cratuki | Is there a standard unix tool that filters filenames to escape them so I can run a new command on them? |
| 06:15.30 | cratuki | eg - it would turn track(01).mp3 into track\(01\).mp3 |
| 06:15.50 | anordby | cratuki: Tab completion? :-) |
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| 06:15.53 | cahoot | cratuki, rename? |
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| 06:17.00 | cratuki | anordby: I'm filtering it through pipes - tab completion won't work |
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| 06:17.16 | cratuki | cahoot: I don't have a command called rename |
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| 06:19.27 | tictac | heh. why doesnt he just grab a script off google? |
| 06:20.50 | dondelelcaro | egads.... use rename |
| 06:21.09 | enouf | eggleston: come again? |
| 06:21.35 | dondelelcaro | eggleston: they're in the mainline kernel, so yes. |
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| 06:21.51 | dondelelcaro | (there are some drivers which are separated out, like madwifi et al.) |
| 06:24.14 | SkareCrow | how can one log out so they can log back in, like i know u can use "exit" but it closes the client also i just want something so they have to relogin |
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| 06:25.53 | eggleston | enouf, i just meant are the pcmcia drivers built into the kernel <2.4 |
| 06:25.57 | Fare | hum. my latest upgrade ate my X fonts |
| 06:26.04 | eggleston | enouf, >2.4 |
| 06:26.09 | Fare | X cannot see truetype fonts again |
| 06:26.20 | Fare | what shall I do? |
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| 06:27.14 | enouf | I think dondelelcaro answered that for ya .. I know 2.6.8 and > have plenty of pcmcia modules I could load if needed |
| 06:27.24 | enouf | eggleston: ^^^ |
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| 06:34.46 | chemaja | it's very cool coming back to this old POS box (stopped admining it back when i was quite the debian newbie) |
| 06:34.53 | chemaja | i'm so much faster at stuff now :-) |
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| 06:43.17 | Fare | OK, so only KDE has become font-blind |
| 06:43.41 | Fare | the rest of X seems to see the fonts... how do I fix that? |
| 06:45.48 | eggleston | enouf, so to load those modules i would type (as root) modprobe pcmcia-2.6.87 (or whatever kernel version?) or just modprobe pcmcia? |
| 06:46.21 | enouf | eggleston: ' modprobe modulename ' |
| 06:46.41 | enouf | ' locate pcmcia ' |
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| 06:47.32 | enouf | eggleston: look for lines like this --> /lib/modules/2.6.8-3-686/kernel/drivers/pcmcia/yenta_socket.ko |
| 06:48.06 | cast | what's the name of the non-free debian repo with things like lame and mplayer in it? |
| 06:48.10 | enouf | eggleston: to load that use modprobe yenta_socket |
| 06:48.23 | enouf | eggleston: for example |
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| 06:49.06 | linuxmigration | what's a yenta socket? |
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| 06:49.27 | enouf | linuxmigration: pcmcia module? toshiba??? |
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| 06:49.38 | cahoot | cast, http://debian-multimedia.org/ |
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| 06:49.56 | enouf | linuxmigration: don;t start no Howard stern nonsense .. heh |
| 06:49.58 | cast | thanks :> |
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| 06:50.24 | enouf | !tell cast about mplayer |
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| 06:50.39 | linuxmigration | so that's for the pcmcia controller itself? |
| 06:50.50 | eggleston | enouf, . weird |
| 06:51.04 | enouf | cahoot: only to give more info to the user |
| 06:51.48 | eggleston | enouf, there is a bout 40 lines. should i have to modprobe them all!? |
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| 06:52.14 | cast | all i really want is codecs installed so nautilus in gnome can preview .wmv files properly |
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| 06:53.23 | SkareCrow | can someone please test this for me, ssh to warpedcoders.org the port is 23 and the user name is test and the password is test |
| 06:53.24 | cahoot | cast, w32codecs should be it IIRC |
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| 06:53.44 | cast | sweet, installing now :) |
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| 06:54.02 | Fare | kde can't see fonts anymore |
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| 06:54.39 | enouf | linuxmigration: eggleston usually 3 modules might be loaded on my old intel 440bx set .. pcmcia, yenta_socket, and maybe pcmcia_core or a specific _cs module |
| 06:54.55 | enouf | eggleston: use lspcmcia |
| 06:54.58 | chance2105 | Yeah baby .. I'm *very* happy to see updates recently in Etch has eliminated the gnome menu scrollbars .. |
| 06:55.19 | enouf | eggleston: and.or lspci -n and go to this site |
| 06:55.33 | enouf | !whats my hardware |
| 06:55.34 | dpkg | You can use lspci, lsusb, lsscsi, lspcmcia, hwinfo, dmidecode, and/or lshw to find out what kind of hardware your machine might have |
| 06:55.39 | enouf | bah |
| 06:55.53 | enouf | !driver |
| 06:55.54 | dpkg | hmm... driver is a piece of code, typically in kernelspace (but not always), which allows you to control a piece of hardware. The biggest exception is video drivers for Linux, which are often part of the (userspace) X server. (3D accelerated video drivers are a weird hybrid that have both kernelspace *and* userspace components.) |
| 06:56.01 | enouf | !which driver |
| 06:56.01 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 06:56.12 | enouf | eggleston: that site ^^^ |
| 06:56.12 | Brian_R | Hey, I'm wondering if I can just use synaptic to upgrade my kernel by installing the 'kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686' and removing my current kernel-image |
| 06:56.52 | enouf | Brian_R: why bother removing? |
| 06:57.15 | enouf | Brian_R: using Grub? |
| 06:57.26 | Brian_R | I believe so. Lemme check. |
| 06:57.49 | Brian_R | Yes. I'm using GRUB. |
| 06:58.18 | enouf | Brian_R: uname -a |
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| 06:58.35 | Brian_R | Linux killerpenguin 2.4.27-3-386 #1 Mon May 29 23:50:41 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
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| 07:00.55 | enouf | Brian_R: ok .. you'll want to d/l and install your image above using (as su or root) 'apt-get -s install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-686' -- leave the working one hter for now .. read and understand the comments about the Automagic Kernel list in /boot/grub/menu.list PRIOR to instaling new kernel |
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| 07:01.30 | enouf | Brian_R: the -s is for "simulation" .. won't actually install it .. but will let you klnwo what will happen |
| 07:01.56 | enouf | working one there* |
| 07:02.42 | Brian_R | When I did that nothing showed up about 'automagic kernel list'. Or were you meaning for me to read /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
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| 07:03.18 | enouf | Brian_R: yes .. Read the comments cat /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:03.30 | Guerin | or is that you? |
| 07:03.39 | Brian_R | Eouf: #flood for the paste of the output from the command you had me do. |
| 07:03.39 | enouf | Brian_R: actually use--> less /bot/grub/menu.lst |
| 07:03.44 | Guerin | eh |
| 07:03.46 | Guerin | ECHAN |
| 07:03.56 | enouf | +o |
| 07:04.30 | enouf | Brian_R: use 'less' as a pager then up/down arrows to scroll - use 'q' to quit viewing |
| 07:04.34 | Brian_R | Okay, I'm viewing it. |
| 07:05.05 | Brian_R | And I have the output from apt-get -s on the clipboard ready for paste when you're ready. or do you not need that? |
| 07:05.18 | enouf | Brian_R: do you have any "special" kernel "boot" line parameters ? |
| 07:05.35 | Brian_R | No. |
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| 07:06.01 | enouf | Brian_R: rather you pastebin the menu.list contents .. but the apt-get -s won't hurt |
| 07:06.08 | Brian_R | Okay. |
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| 07:06.49 | enouf | Brian_R: plz don't use /.com/ .. use pastebin.ca instead |
| 07:06.55 | Brian_R | grep -v '^#' /boot/grub/menu.lst | ~/foo.txt would work right? |
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| 07:07.21 | enouf | Brian_R: looks good to me :-) |
| 07:07.30 | enouf | Brian_R: wait .. |
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| 07:07.52 | enouf | Brian_R: I want the whole file's contents .. not the comments .. I have those herre :-p |
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| 07:08.36 | enouf | Brian_R: I'm just making sure you're not using any special boot parameters .. but you already answered that anyways |
| 07:08.51 | Brian_R | Putting it on pastebin now. |
| 07:08.58 | enouf | ok |
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| 07:10.39 | Brian_R | http://pastebin.ca/204771 Both pastes are in that one file. |
| 07:11.08 | enouf | looking |
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| 07:12.17 | eggleston | does anyone know anything abouyt the availability of support for intel wireless PCMCIA cards |
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| 07:13.34 | timthelion` | I have a laptop with a 2 gig hd. is it safe to delete /var/cache/apt/archives/ wich is taking over a quarter of my disk space? |
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| 07:14.11 | timthelion` | it contains deb files of programs I have already installed. |
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| 07:14.25 | dondelelcaro | timthelion`: just run apt-get autoclean; or apt-get clean. |
| 07:14.31 | timthelion` | ok |
| 07:14.33 | dondelelcaro | (or aptitude clean; if you use aptitude) |
| 07:14.33 | enouf | Brian_R: ok .. menu.lst kerenl entries look standard .. and apt-get -s looks good too .. Houston?! we have a go! ..:-) Also may want to install the "suggested" pkg 'kernel-doc-2.6.8' .. but later perhaps .. Once you install the new kernel .. run 'update-grub' .. and reboot into new kernel , which should be the default after runnning update-grub |
| 07:14.34 | timthelion` | thankyou |
| 07:16.11 | dondelelcaro | timthelion`: np; you may want to spend a bit of time reading man apt-get (or man aptitude if you use aptitude) |
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| 07:16.42 | Brian_R | Okay so 1) Install the kernel I mentioned via Synaptic. 2) 'update-grub' 3) Reboot to new kernel |
| 07:17.12 | dondelelcaro | Brian_R: in theory, update-grub should be run automatically, but running it again won't hurt. |
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| 07:17.27 | dondelelcaro | (although, that depends on your kernel-pkg.conf |
| 07:17.35 | Raimi | is thunderbird broken today (in amd64) ? |
| 07:17.57 | Brian_R | I am downloading the kernel now. |
| 07:18.24 | dondelelcaro | s/-pkg/-img/ |
| 07:18.30 | dondelelcaro | Raimi: it's now called icedove |
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| 07:19.11 | tPl0ch | hello, i built a 2.6.19-rc2 kernel with make-kpkg, installed it with 'dpkg -i' and recieved following error: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/pEoKX328.html |
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| 07:19.38 | tPl0ch | What could be my mistake? I built as I did all kernels before |
| 07:19.42 | Raimi | dondelelcaro: thanks, that launches some program. the "thunderbird" compat script is still there but doesnt work |
| 07:19.49 | Raimi | that name changes comes as a surprise to me |
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| 07:22.11 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:22.12 | dpkg | popcon is probably the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:22.26 | tarzeau | i hate those name changes |
| 07:22.37 | Raimi | dondelelcaro: it's only the debian package that changed the name ?! |
| 07:22.55 | Raimi | is that another stupid dispute between debian and mozilla? |
| 07:22.56 | dondelelcaro | tPl0ch: it's a known bug in kernel-package; see bugs.debian.org/kernel-package |
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| 07:23.17 | dondelelcaro | Raimi: it's not a dispute; we can't use the mozilla trademarked names, so we've had to change them. |
| 07:23.22 | pstickne | go ICEWEASEL! |
| 07:23.35 | Raimi | dondelelcaro: and you chose not to tell anyone in advance?! |
| 07:23.38 | dondelelcaro | nothing about that is disputed; people may not like it, but it is what it is. |
| 07:23.46 | pstickne | Raimi, it's a recent change... |
| 07:23.47 | dondelelcaro | Raimi: uh... there are bugs filed in the BTS about it |
| 07:23.51 | tarzeau | fucking shit, 5 times the same crap with 5 names: seamonkey, mozilla, firefox, iceweasel, and the new iceseamonkey |
| 07:24.16 | dondelelcaro | tarzeau: you're forgetting phoenix and firebird |
| 07:24.16 | Raimi | so how's firefox gonna be called now? |
| 07:24.17 | tarzeau | pstickne: i hope they all just disappear -- if only i had the device with a button to make items disappear from the surface of earth... |
| 07:24.22 | dondelelcaro | Raimi: iceweasel |
| 07:24.22 | tarzeau | dondelelcaro: oh crap :) |
| 07:24.35 | tarzeau | Raimi: who cares! use links2 -g |
| 07:24.53 | dondelelcaro | Raimi: in any event, if the symlink isn't working properly, file a bug. |
| 07:25.03 | pstickne | tarzeau, yeah, it would be nice to see a mozilla-sanctioned one-off approach |
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| 07:25.16 | dondelelcaro | (after checking to make sure that it hasn't already been filed, of course) |
| 07:25.24 | timthelion` | on my other computer ... I have 2 gigs of ram and a 3ghz cpu. I only ever get the cpu up to 12% and only use about 700 megs of ram. any sugjestions for a cpu time donation program? |
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| 07:25.43 | pstickne | seti at home still about? :P |
| 07:26.20 | Raimi | dondelelcaro: last question - my good ol' mozilla package is gonna called how? |
| 07:26.31 | Raimi | icemonkey? |
| 07:26.35 | dondelelcaro | Raimi: I'm actually not sure; probably. |
| 07:26.39 | pstickne | gnuzilla? |
| 07:27.04 | hid3 | Hello everyone. I need some advice. Which filesystem would give the best performance for ide disk based ftp server, crowded with ~600 mB .iso files? I'm thinking about ext2 or ext3... Any ideas? Thanks. |
| 07:27.26 | blondie | hid3: I'd use ext3 |
| 07:27.28 | pstickne | I don't think it makes a difference. |
| 07:27.47 | blondie | hid3: I assume you mean MB rather than mB. |
| 07:27.50 | pstickne | I use ReiserFS now but I read some negative things on ext3 journally. |
| 07:28.21 | blondie | well.... way things are going reiserfs development might dry up c.c |
| 07:28.28 | pstickne | O.o |
| 07:28.33 | pstickne | Where is the focus these days? |
| 07:28.44 | blondie | what with reiser being arrested for murder |
| 07:28.48 | pstickne | Wow. |
| 07:28.56 | pstickne | I missed the story :-/ |
| 07:29.18 | blondie | dunno if he's guilty but it doesn't look too good. |
| 07:29.27 | hid3 | I guess I'll use ext3.. Some time ago I've read that it isn't so 'sensetive' in case of a system crash.. |
| 07:29.33 | pstickne | Reiser of Oakland? |
| 07:29.45 | blondie | yes |
| 07:29.51 | Raimi | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=393123 <- that's what i'm seeing |
| 07:29.58 | pstickne | hid3, haha, ext3 hasn't treated me any better then ext2 |
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| 07:30.12 | Raimi | iceweasel is not yet in sid, neither is icemonket |
| 07:30.15 | Raimi | y |
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| 07:31.53 | tarzeau | Raimi: but icedove is |
| 07:31.57 | Guerin | !icemonkey |
| 07:32.08 | Raimi | yes, with a broken thunderbird link... |
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| 07:34.02 | vorsprung | hmm accidentially deleting a .svn directory is a pain in the butt |
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| 07:38.59 | x2 | hi, i just have a quick question about how a vpn works. If i had a vpn server on my box that was connected to the internet, and two people logged into the virtual network... if one person sent data to the other person, will it be routed through my box? |
| 07:39.06 | x2 | it would... wouldn't it? |
| 07:39.20 | x2 | and that's where hamachi is different? |
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| 07:40.12 | blondie | x2: it would if it was via the vpn |
| 07:40.33 | x2 | blondie, but, it is usually? |
| 07:40.57 | blondie | what do you mean "usually"? |
| 07:41.10 | blondie | if they weren't on the vpn, then it wouldn't |
| 07:41.17 | mil | it depends on wether you have the vpn server as the default gateway |
| 07:41.35 | x2 | yeah, i mean, if it wasn't the default gateway |
| 07:41.43 | mil | a lot of people only route specific networks via the vpn tunnel so their internet connection doesnt have to go through the office |
| 07:42.02 | blondie | oh right |
| 07:42.28 | x2 | ok, thanks mate |
| 07:42.29 | blondie | well if you used the vpn client IP addresses it would go via the vpn... if not, depends on each client's routing table |
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| 07:42.41 | x2 | thanks blondie |
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| 07:47.49 | cpop | something is more or less periodically deleting files from my /var/run/httpd and /var/run/samba and crash samba and apache in turn |
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| 07:48.03 | cpop | it's not the root crontab. any idea what it could be? |
| 07:48.09 | cpop | running debian testing |
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| 07:51.58 | dondelelcaro | cpop: it shouldn't be crashing samba and apache, but it would cause some restart scripts to have interesting problems. |
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| 07:54.36 | eggleston | does anyone know the name of a good tool to search for nearby wireless networks? |
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| 07:56.14 | EdLin | eggleston: yes |
| 07:56.41 | eggleston | EdLin, lol, woiuld you like to share the name? |
| 07:57.11 | EdLin | eggleston: "apt-cache search" or looking around with aptitude would help... |
| 07:57.24 | Guerin | EdLin: come on, the proper response is 'I would' |
| 07:57.29 | eggleston | EdLin, i'm lazy, i want advice on a good one. |
| 07:57.38 | Guerin | !lazy |
| 07:57.38 | dpkg | Well, we don't service lazy people, sorry. |
| 07:57.41 | Guerin | !good |
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| 08:01.25 | EdLin | !prize Guerin |
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| 08:05.04 | cpop | dondelelcaro: what would? |
| 08:05.20 | cpop | samba and apache crash because important files dissapear from their run dirs |
| 08:05.32 | cpop | ssl_mutex for apache and the .tdb files for samba |
| 08:05.55 | Guerin | cpop: what deletes them? |
| 08:06.26 | cpop | well ok they don't crash, they enter a loop of segfault+restart (samba) or an endless string of errors |
| 08:06.35 | cpop | Guerin: that's what I'd dearly like to know |
| 08:06.38 | Guerin | cpop: youmight want to run some tests using strace or dnotify |
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| 08:06.47 | cpop | on what? |
| 08:06.57 | dondelelcaro | well, it'll just be new children that won't start... the old ones will still work |
| 08:07.12 | cpop | tracing the victims will only tell me that the files dissapear, not who deletes them, I believe |
| 08:07.13 | Guerin | cpop: strace on samba or apache2; dnotify on the /var/run/whatever dir |
| 08:07.31 | cpop | dnotify might tell me something... |
| 08:07.35 | cpop | yes |
| 08:07.37 | Guerin | it might be something in the programs which is cleaning up too aggressively |
| 08:07.43 | Guerin | you need to rule that out as an option |
| 08:07.54 | dondelelcaro | cpop: you may also have luck with find /etc -type f |xargs grep samba; and find /var/spool/cron -type f|xargs grep samba; FE... |
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| 08:08.23 | Guerin | dondelelcaro: why use find instead of rgrep? |
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| 08:08.26 | cpop | dondelelcaro: yeah, already tried grepping the whole /etc |
| 08:08.29 | ctx144k | hello all |
| 08:09.50 | cpop | oh well thanks for the help, I'll try dnotify |
| 08:10.05 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: because I like find? |
| 08:10.10 | ctx144k | im usring debian-sarge with kernel 2.6.8. i have 2 different usb-printers. i need udev-rules to define the device-names... but i cant find serial-numbers to set the rule-sets. here are my two udev-informations: |
| 08:10.11 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:10.24 | Guerin | ok, so no mystical unix-ninja reason |
| 08:10.27 | ctx144k | http://rafb.net/paste/results/orCcBo55.html |
| 08:10.30 | tarzeau | i'm usering flushbox |
| 08:10.34 | ctx144k | http://rafb.net/paste/results/FUKqVo57.html |
| 08:10.48 | ctx144k | could someone help me? |
| 08:10.50 | dondelelcaro | (that, and I far to often drop a -iname something in there... so it's just second nature) |
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| 08:19.30 | cpop | what's flushbox? |
| 08:19.59 | ice63 | Blackbox is good to :) |
| 08:20.06 | s4lvuzzo | hi all |
| 08:20.23 | cpop | is it flushbox or fluxbox? |
| 08:20.24 | streuner | !info fluxbox |
| 08:20.29 | dpkg | fluxbox: (Highly configurable and low resource X11 Window manager), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.14-1.2 (sid), Packaged size: 753 kB, Installed size: 2340 kB |
| 08:20.52 | cpop | !info flushbox |
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| 08:21.13 | cpop | must be a pet name for fluxbox... |
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| 08:21.47 | cpop | "daddy wuvs his flushbox yesh he does" |
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| 08:51.20 | sonnie | how to configure the server to give a virtual user write/remove access to file/directory? |
| 08:51.26 | sonnie | i mean pure-ftpd |
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| 09:02.34 | Lorvija | hi guys, this isn't strictly debian related but i figured you know pretty much about networking so I'll ask here.. Getting kinda despered.. So i got home lan and i can't access google with any browser... but i can ping it and i can access by ip.... i got 4 machines in my lan and none of them works...so only http traffic cant get to google.. and that's the only domain with probs.. any ideas? |
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| 09:04.38 | cpop | dns issues |
| 09:04.45 | cpop | check your connection settings |
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| 09:05.16 | tralala | Lorvija: do you run some kind of web proxy? |
| 09:05.17 | liable | he wouldnt be able to ping it by name would he? |
| 09:05.23 | Guerin | must be a proxy |
| 09:05.30 | Guerin | or your ISP being evil |
| 09:05.51 | Guerin | Lorvija: did you change anything? |
| 09:07.05 | tralala | or do you live in any country that happend to outlaw google so google got it blocked? |
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| 09:10.06 | aspWork | hi guys. i am trying to install trac on my debian system, and packages.debian.org tells me that there are packages of it for each of stable/testing/unstable, but apt-get tells me that there is no package named trac, and apt-cache search gives me nothing. Am i missing something? |
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| 09:11.58 | streuner | aspWork: is trac non-free? |
| 09:12.03 | streuner | !info trac |
| 09:12.10 | dpkg | trac: (Enhanced wiki and issue tracking system for software development projects), section web, is optional. Version: 0.10-1 (sid), Packaged size: 372 kB, Installed size: 2060 kB |
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| 09:13.46 | aspWork | streuner: no, free and OS |
| 09:14.00 | streuner | aspWork: show us your sources.list in paster bot |
| 09:14.02 | streuner | !paste |
| 09:14.02 | dpkg | well, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 09:14.15 | aspWork | hang on |
| 09:16.30 | streuner | for sarge/stable you need security line in your sources.list |
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| 09:18.14 | aspWork | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4069 |
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| 09:20.11 | aspWork | sorry, there is a / at the end of the debian lines aswell |
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| 09:21.10 | streuner | try "deb http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian etch main", if that doesn't work try another mirror then |
| 09:21.28 | aspWork | streuner: the rest of apt works, ie, i have done apt-get upgrade without any problem |
| 09:21.50 | aspWork | its just that it cant find the trac package |
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| 09:23.19 | streuner | ok, just s/se/de/ in sources.list and use the mirror (germany) tempo, you'll see if that works then |
| 09:23.31 | aspWork | ill give that a try |
| 09:23.33 | aspWork | brb =) |
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| 09:25.12 | streuner | http://ftp.se.debian.org/debian/pool/main/t/trac/trac_0.9.6-3_all.deb |
| 09:25.26 | pettsson | aspWork: använd dessa http://channels.debian.net/paste/4070 |
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| 09:25.38 | pettsson | fast byt till stable/testing om du vill |
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| 09:26.00 | streuner | pettsson: no |
| 09:26.11 | pettsson | ? |
| 09:26.12 | streuner | pettsson: don't tell people to use unstable |
| 09:26.37 | pettsson | ok, i wrote in swedish that he should change to stable/testing |
| 09:26.44 | streuner | trac is definatly on the swedish mirror |
| 09:26.49 | streuner | ah ok |
| 09:26.54 | manoja | hi |
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| 09:28.13 | aspWork | streuner: that did nothing, but i tried to change etch to unstable, and now it works |
| 09:28.14 | aspWork | strange |
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| 09:28.41 | streuner | maybe a server error then |
| 09:28.44 | aspWork | pettsson: thnx, solved it |
| 09:29.03 | streuner | aspWork: if you want still etch, just get the package by hand |
| 09:29.05 | streuner | via pdo |
| 09:29.23 | aspWork | streuner isn't etch = unstable? |
| 09:29.29 | streuner | no |
| 09:29.32 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 09:29.35 | aspWork | oh |
| 09:29.40 | streuner | etch=testing, sid=unstable |
| 09:29.42 | lunitik | aspWork: etch = testing... sid = unstable |
| 09:29.44 | pelzi_ | etch is testing atm |
| 09:30.05 | aspWork | ok, so if i now do an upgrade ill get sid then, right? |
| 09:30.16 | streuner | aspWork: yes, but just use etch |
| 09:30.29 | streuner | !unstable |
| 09:30.29 | dpkg | i heard unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 09:31.33 | streuner | unstable is the developer branch of debian |
| 09:31.35 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 09:31.51 | lunitik | aspWork: unstable is mostly stable upstream software... depending on your experience with Debian though, might not be the best choice you ever made |
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| 09:33.06 | ybgwon | but debian unstable is more stable fedora |
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| 09:33.09 | lunitik | Gets more attention, because its what most developers use... but yeah... sometimes not for the faint of heart |
| 09:33.16 | lunitik | ybgwon: no |
| 09:33.29 | ybgwon | i think so |
| 09:34.01 | ybgwon | ubuntu is based sid. |
| 09:34.42 | lunitik | Its fine more of the time... but dealing with bad deps... and just devel fuck ups that simply don't happen in stable branches ensures its not comparable |
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| 09:34.58 | lunitik | ybgwon: Ubuntu is based on 6 months of Sid stabilization |
| 09:35.03 | Madeye | guys, How to change the editor of crontab from Emacs to something else? |
| 09:35.20 | lunitik | Madeye: man update-alternatives |
| 09:35.27 | streuner | ybgwon: What's the version of "dapper" (X) and what's the version in unstable (X)? |
| 09:35.29 | Raimi | Madeye: export EDITOR=yourfavoriteeditor |
| 09:35.40 | Raimi | (sometimes also VISUAL) |
| 09:35.43 | aspWork | thnx for the help guys |
| 09:35.56 | lunitik | streuner: not a valid comparison... edgy compared to sid is more fair... dapper is 6 months old now |
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| 09:36.04 | lunitik | Actually like 4 I think? |
| 09:36.18 | ybgwon | oh! |
| 09:36.27 | streuner | lunitik: according to the statement that "ubuntu is based on sid"? |
| 09:36.31 | lunitik | (Dapper was 7.0.22) |
| 09:36.35 | iLLf8d | anyone know what kinda tcpdump entry this is? 02:36:00.797246 AT 255.223.1.zip > 0.0.zip: at-#6 25 |
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| 09:36.53 | lunitik | streuner: As I said... its Sid + 6 months stabilization work |
| 09:37.22 | lunitik | streuner: the initial merge of each Ubuntu branch is directly from Sid |
| 09:37.26 | liable | iLLf8d: paste a chunk either side of that. do you have dialup with one of those silly acceleraters? |
| 09:37.47 | lunitik | streuner: then they spend like 2 weeks or more applying their patches... then they go on from there.... |
| 09:37.58 | lunitik | streuner: Its rather a messy process to go through |
| 09:38.03 | iLLf8d | 02:37:27.228195 IP 192.168.69.103.2940 > 192.168.69.255.2190: UDP, length 132 |
| 09:38.03 | iLLf8d | 02:37:27.328532 IP brown.freenode.net.ircd > 192.168.69.106.55857: P 7040:7205(165) ack 245 win 2252 <nop,nop,timestamp 1450030353 8914125> |
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| 09:38.04 | ybgwon | i think sid is useful desktop user. |
| 09:38.08 | iLLf8d | theres an ircd before and after |
| 09:38.13 | liable | iLLf8d: i didnt mean in here.. |
| 09:38.27 | iLLf8d | liable, oh I figured it was 2 lines?? |
| 09:38.34 | eth0x | Hi, im on fluxbox.. i want to view some movie clips, what player would be best? |
| 09:38.51 | pelzi_ | [g]mplayer |
| 09:38.56 | streuner | there are serveral good ones |
| 09:39.00 | streuner | xine |
| 09:39.02 | streuner | vlc |
| 09:39.10 | streuner | kaffeine |
| 09:39.11 | liable | iLLf8d: dunno anyway |
| 09:39.32 | streuner | kaffeine which works as a frontend (xine) |
| 09:39.34 | iLLf8d | yeah it doesn't come up in any google searches either |
| 09:39.36 | ice_1963 | mplayer |
| 09:39.36 | iLLf8d | its wierd |
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| 09:39.59 | liable | iLLf8d: but do you have dial up? |
| 09:40.09 | iLLf8d | no |
| 09:40.12 | iLLf8d | cable modem |
| 09:40.13 | liable | okie |
| 09:40.14 | iLLf8d | local lan |
| 09:40.18 | jzu_ | How I change default group of the user? |
| 09:40.26 | streuner | chgrp |
| 09:40.28 | lunitik | jzu_: /etc/passwd |
| 09:40.40 | Kevin` | usermod -g group user |
| 09:41.02 | jzu_ | normally it's foo but I wanna every user to be only member of group "lusers" |
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| 09:41.28 | zzz | ls |
| 09:41.29 | ybgwon | edit /etc/group |
| 09:41.51 | lunitik | ybgwon: primary group is defined in the file I stated |
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| 09:42.20 | streuner | lunitik: sounds like a question for bash... |
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| 09:42.40 | streuner | lunitik: #bash |
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| 09:42.48 | Kevin` | lunitik why would the homedirs disappear |
| 09:42.52 | lunitik | streuner: indeed... and next time I have use for it... I'll likely be wandering into there |
| 09:43.12 | lunitik | Kevin`: creating users via /etc/passwd doesn't automatically create home dir's |
| 09:43.23 | Kevin` | creating them via more proper ways dows |
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| 09:43.59 | jcml_N770 | lunitik, useradd or adduser ... |
| 09:44.48 | zzz | Hi! I have a chroot system (sarge i386 on sarge amd64), and i can start programs fine from the chrooted system with dchroot as root, but what should i do to be able to start program from there as a normal user? |
| 09:44.55 | lunitik | jcml_N770: yeah... dude... I know that... its faster via screen+vi :/ |
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| 09:46.07 | liable | for the goldfish? |
| 09:46.23 | lunitik | liable: almost certainly.... hahah |
| 09:46.40 | jcml_N770 | fcuk knows. I'm not really watching the 80s-tastic video ... |
| 09:47.07 | liable | ? |
| 09:47.23 | jcml_N770 | now they're talking about the benefits of *blinking*, FFS |
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| 09:47.53 | Guerin | jcml_N770: hurt them |
| 09:48.15 | jcml_N770 | I can't. There are witnesses. |
| 09:48.17 | Guerin | then again |
| 09:48.30 | Guerin | if they're that stupid they'll eventually hurt themselves |
| 09:48.51 | jcml_N770 | I can but pray. |
| 09:48.57 | liable | hrm, blinking is kinda good for your eyes.. |
| 09:49.26 | jcml_N770 | I *know*. I don't need to be *told* |
| 09:49.33 | jcml_N770 | :-) |
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| 09:49.47 | jcml_N770 | hehehe |
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| 09:53.33 | metrics | hi all, running debian sid here. i'm sure I used to be able to set the mouse theme using update-alternatives x-cursor-theme. |
| 09:53.51 | metrics | the symlink doesn't exist anymore, anyone have any ideas? |
| 09:55.40 | metrics | don't worry...own stupid fool fault. |
| 09:55.46 | metrics | :P |
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| 09:56.55 | iLLf8d | liable I think it was osx searching for my network print server on my local lan I notice my printers name in some of the packets |
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| 09:57.19 | liable | iLLf8d: ah, weird about the zip bit though |
| 09:57.21 | eps | how do I get ls to not list directories in it's output? |
| 09:57.32 | iLLf8d | yeah totally |
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| 09:58.12 | eps | or far more importantly is there a way to do it without using -l and then grep and then sed? :P ...eg the easy way |
| 09:58.55 | cast | hmm...i've forgotten how to stop a module from loading... |
| 09:59.18 | eps | look in /etc/modules |
| 09:59.22 | eps | or modprobe |
| 09:59.24 | eps | or some thing :P |
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| 09:59.31 | babilen | hi there! |
| 09:59.31 | cast | ahh, i think i've got it. /etc/modprobe.d/alsa-base-blacklist sounds good |
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| 09:59.50 | eps | hi... |
| 09:59.53 | liable | eps: dunno if you can get it to not show it.. try #bash? |
| 10:00.01 | babilen | i am looking for tool to monitor a bunch of boxes... any recommendations |
| 10:00.06 | eps | kthx |
| 10:00.31 | liable | babilen: could you be a little less vague? |
| 10:01.04 | babilen | a web frontend would be nice, but is not necessary... |
| 10:01.20 | liable | monitor what? |
| 10:01.30 | cast | "i'm looking for something to something a unknown number of something" |
| 10:01.58 | cast | ..oh right. less isn't more. there's a few apps around, mrtg or something springs to mind |
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| 10:02.37 | cast | mrtg* |
| 10:03.00 | babilen | liable: ok, we have a computer pool running which consists of around 50 machines and some servers... |
| 10:03.23 | babilen | liable: we would like to have a tool which monitors the availability of these machines.. |
| 10:03.53 | liable | babilen: ping them, if it responds, its available? |
| 10:04.01 | babilen | it would be great if it is possible to specify a number of working daemons as well, and define test cases for usage patterns.. |
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| 10:04.33 | babilen | liable: it woulkd be great if the results of these tests could be available online.. |
| 10:05.00 | babilen | liable: i am more or less looking for something like ganglia which is used to monitor a cluster of computers... |
| 10:05.00 | liable | babilen: still not sure exactly what your after, but i dont think it exists |
| 10:05.12 | lunitik | babilen: something like avahi wouldn't do what you want? (monitor and utilize available network resources... client and server...) |
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| 10:05.35 | lunitik | babilen: not sure wrt testing usage patterns in that situation though... |
| 10:05.37 | babilen | liable: a short search at freshmeat for "server monitoring" showed a bunch of results.. just wanted to ask for suggestions.. |
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| 10:06.29 | liable | babilen: fair enough, i'll keep quiet as i cannot suggest anything |
| 10:06.56 | babilen | i just want to have a tool which checks if certain machines are online (and maybe have the specified daemons running), which then generates a nice web based summary or issues an alarm if somwething if wrong.. |
| 10:07.09 | fasta | I placed a symlink foo in /etc/init.d/ and when I do /etc/init.d/foo start then the service is started, but it's not run when I start my computer. How can I achieve the latter? |
| 10:07.32 | liable | fasta: man update-rc.d |
| 10:07.42 | fasta | liable: I also ran that |
| 10:07.48 | babilen | lunitik: yes you are right.... i can read up on all the available tools now and choose the one which suits my needs.. |
| 10:08.06 | fasta | liable: It didn't exit with an error. |
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| 10:08.29 | babilen | i just thought, that it would not hurt me to ask people, as there might be others who had whis problem before and already found a good solution... |
| 10:08.31 | liable | fasta: obviously it didnt work. i havent ever tried running it on a symlink, |
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| 10:08.48 | liable | babilen: try ##linux too i guess |
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| 10:09.26 | liable | fasta: make the script set -x and see where it baulks when its run at boot |
| 10:10.32 | fasta | liable: What is "bauks"? And what do you mean by "set -x"? |
| 10:10.37 | fasta | er baulks |
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| 10:11.12 | liable | fasta: baulks = see where it breaks, set -x outputs as its run |
| 10:11.23 | SID_seba | hi, i have a problem of depends whit the package courier-authmysql |
| 10:11.50 | hypnox | does anyone know of a tool to show the disk writes in real time? (and what is making them) |
| 10:12.02 | fasta | liable: ok, you mean as an option to update-rc.d? |
| 10:13.02 | liable | fasta: no, in the actuall script. |
| 10:13.11 | liable | fasta: bash -c "help set" |
| 10:13.22 | elias | why do I get "Invalid device requested" when I try to chainload a grub instance written to sda5? |
| 10:13.28 | fasta | liable: thanks, because man set gave me an OCaml manpage. |
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| 10:14.30 | reklez | does debian have a dictionary package? |
| 10:14.33 | liable | elias: paste your grub menu.lst for both |
| 10:14.37 | reklez | english definitions. |
| 10:14.43 | liable | reklez: dict |
| 10:15.19 | liable | reklez: it needs network, but theres a package for the definitions as well |
| 10:15.49 | elias | root (hd0,4); savedefault; makeactive; chainloader +1; (both? MBR and part grub instance?) |
| 10:16.18 | elias | could rootnoverify possibly help? |
| 10:16.27 | elias | where can I paste stuff? |
| 10:16.34 | liable | !paste |
| 10:16.34 | dpkg | somebody said paste was Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 10:16.43 | reklez | liable. what's the name of the package? could i get it in source? |
| 10:16.58 | liable | elias: its been a while since i have done it, but paste both files |
| 10:17.06 | liable | reklez: the name is 'dict' |
| 10:17.22 | tralala | reklez: you can get the source of anything in debian main and contrib |
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| 10:19.18 | fasta | liable: when I use ksysv I see the service under runlevel 2. When I click properties and press Start the script gets executed. I seems I just need to flip a switch somewhere to say that it should be started at boot. set -x would only help to see when it actually got executed. |
| 10:19.51 | liable | fasta: correct. |
| 10:20.20 | liable | fasta: and update-rc.d should have put a symlink in rc2.d |
| 10:20.51 | fasta | liable: it did |
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| 10:21.40 | elias | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4071 |
| 10:21.48 | elias | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4071 |
| 10:21.53 | liable | fasta: whats the name of the symlink? |
| 10:22.10 | fasta | liable: S20foo |
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| 10:23.25 | liable | fasta: and what exactly is foo? could it not be that its failing due to being started before most services are running? |
| 10:23.43 | fasta | liable: it should start after the network is up |
| 10:23.53 | liable | s20 is very early in the init process, almost nothing is up by then |
| 10:24.09 | liable | make it s90 and see what happens |
| 10:24.34 | fasta | liable: ok, so I probably need to remove it then via update-rc.d and then look up the switch to change the run-level. |
| 10:24.54 | liable | fasta: just rename the link for testing |
| 10:25.00 | jaro | hello there. A very unpleasant thing happened to me - my disk collapsed and rendered data partition based on reiserfs unusable. reiserfsck is of no use as there are bad blocks which hit the "system area" of the filesystem. I'd like to ask whether there are any chances of getting the data back in such a case? |
| 10:26.22 | liable | elias: you dont even really have a chainloading option in there... http://thestarport.com/people/steve/Doc/Linux/multiple-distros.html |
| 10:26.38 | liable | elias: and you also dont have debian :P |
| 10:26.41 | fasta | liable: postfix also runs from S20postfix |
| 10:26.49 | liable | fasta: so? |
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| 10:27.01 | fasta | liable: so, I would assume that also uses the network? |
| 10:27.21 | liable | fasta: yes, when you start sending mails.... |
| 10:27.59 | fasta | liable: ok, it might be that this application is not that well designed. I will see what happens when I disconnect. |
| 10:28.20 | liable | fasta: networking is s40.. |
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| 10:28.42 | elias | liable: don't have debian on that machine but grub works the same way in both systems. and there is a chainloading option. you have to look at the MBR menu.lst |
| 10:29.18 | elias | grep for EDGY |
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| 10:30.20 | linet | abc |
| 10:30.30 | liable | elias: ah, k, missed that |
| 10:30.32 | linet | anyone work with debianwrt |
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| 10:33.24 | liable | elias: erm, the rootnoverify should be just root |
| 10:34.11 | liable | or maybe not.. |
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| 10:35.18 | elias | liable: I had root first, did not try the rootnoverify yet. |
| 10:36.13 | liable | elias: remove the makeactive and savedefault also, but anyway, as i cant really remeber what exactly i had, you are best off consulting google, but you are on the right track |
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| 10:37.02 | elias | liable: google tells me everything is right but grub tells another story! |
| 10:37.32 | liable | elias: such is life. keep trying |
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| 10:39.00 | [M4rk0] | hello |
| 10:39.09 | Hoxzer | hello |
| 10:39.51 | [M4rk0] | Can someone tell me which isos i need to download to install and debian without extra packages |
| 10:40.05 | [M4rk0] | In one of the mirrors i can se 13 cd :-| |
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| 10:40.21 | Hoxzer | Olla mies |
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| 10:40.58 | liable | [M4rk0]: if you got good net thats supported by the kernel, get the netinst iso |
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| 10:41.24 | [M4rk0] | it's not so good which isos i need to just install and run debian? |
| 10:41.38 | [M4rk0] | binary-1? 2?...? |
| 10:41.55 | liable | yes, get 1 |
| 10:42.20 | [M4rk0] | i can with binary-1 install and run default debian? |
| 10:42.20 | diskus | I like netinst images |
| 10:42.23 | liable | or have a read of the install guide.. |
| 10:42.33 | [M4rk0] | yes with T1 ;) |
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| 10:42.56 | diskus | [M4rk0]: seriously if you have good connection go with netinst |
| 10:43.40 | [M4rk0] | Hm i'm telling you it's not soo good :) |
| 10:44.00 | [M4rk0] | And what's debian-31r2-i386-businesscard.iso ? |
| 10:45.22 | diskus | it will fit in small sized cd-rom I think |
| 10:45.30 | diskus | connection reset by beer |
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| 10:53.40 | Crysis | Hi, When I install debian ETCH my core 2 duo it is very slow... 45 minuts for launch the partition tool... I'll try with the buisness card do you think that will change anything ? |
| 10:53.58 | liable | no |
| 10:54.07 | liable | same kernel, same tools |
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| 10:56.23 | liable | Crysis: have you read the page that talks about issues with the particular version of the etch installer you are using? does it have issues? |
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| 10:59.22 | liable | Crysis: whats the mobo? |
| 10:59.31 | Crysis | liable yes I have readed |
| 10:59.40 | Crysis | liable asus P5W DH Deluxe |
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| 11:00.31 | liable | Crysis: google it, and etch. or gimme ten, eating dinner.. |
| 11:00.50 | Crysis | liable I will go to school and come back at 17 |
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| 11:01.17 | liable | Crysis: i will prolly be in bed, but someone will help you |
| 11:01.18 | Crysis | I have already searched.. can you help me and look for me ? |
| 11:01.30 | Crysis | or can you search and PM me ? |
| 11:02.27 | fasta | I used update-rc.d foo start 91 2 3 4 5 . stop 9 0 1 6 ., but still it doesn't come up at boot. I used 91 since that' |
| 11:02.39 | fasta | s the same as apache2 and that appears to be working. |
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| 11:02.40 | Crysis | liable I have a core 2 duo E6000 and asus P5W DH Deluxe with SATA II HD Diamondmax 10 and 1 go of RAM DDR PC-4300 |
| 11:02.46 | Crysis | liable I have a core 2 duo E6000 and asus P5W DH Deluxe with SATA II HD Diamondmax 10 and 1 go of RAM DDRII PC-4300 |
| 11:02.50 | Crysis | DDR II :p |
| 11:02.54 | cast | wait, there's a E6000? |
| 11:03.00 | Crysis | yes |
| 11:03.16 | liable | fasta: does the script show up in the boot logs? |
| 11:03.37 | cast | curious, i thought it stopped at E6300 (at 1.87Ghz) |
| 11:03.38 | Crysis | cast you have an answer ? |
| 11:03.49 | Crysis | lol no it stop to X6800 |
| 11:03.53 | fasta | liable: you mean /var/log/boot? That says: (Nothing has been logged yet.) |
| 11:03.59 | Crysis | I need to go see you |
| 11:04.09 | Crysis | liable pm me if you find something pls :p see you |
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| 11:06.21 | liable | fasta: you need to enable bootlogd in /etc/default/bootlogd but, you should be able to see it in the console as it scrolls by |
| 11:07.26 | liable | fasta: sounds to me like the script is exiting without doing what it should. and you not mentioning wtf it is doesnt help |
| 11:08.08 | fasta | liable: I will enable bootlogd and try again. |
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| 11:13.59 | foxy___ | I have my new debian box plugged into my dsl modem, while my windows box network works, dhcpdiscover fails to find an offer on the linux box, any ideas? |
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| 11:17.27 | Suprano | foxy___ if you set the ip by hand, are you able to ping windows box or dhcp server? |
| 11:17.34 | liable | foxy___: the card is recognised? |
| 11:18.30 | foxy___ | the card is recognised, It was working for a while, I went out for a smoke during the install process and it stopped working |
| 11:18.54 | foxy___ | (was installing debian over internet) |
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| 11:20.59 | foxy___ | have to take monitor out to debian box to try setting ip by hand... |
| 11:21.35 | jzu- | hmm, was my nick jzu- or jzu_ when I signed ofF? |
| 11:21.36 | jzu- | *off |
| 11:21.57 | liable | _ |
| 11:22.07 | jzu_ | yeah, just got identifiyed with nickserv |
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| 11:22.31 | fasta | liable: In the mean time I rebooted twice. In the first bootlog I can see that it got executed because a stale file was there, but apparently it never ran. The second time nothing showed up in the bootlog. |
| 11:23.07 | liable | fasta: paste the start script |
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| 11:23.56 | fasta | liable: could it be that when a previous script fails subsequent scripts on the same level do not get run? |
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| 11:24.40 | fasta | liable: I have some boot up scripts that try to boot things that don't exist anymore (like apache) |
| 11:24.49 | liable | fasta: i have no idea if i cant see what it is you are talking about. paste the script or i going to give up trying to help you |
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| 11:25.27 | VViki | how do I install glibc? |
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| 11:25.57 | liable | why do you think you dont have it? |
| 11:26.26 | VViki | my linux is outdated |
| 11:26.31 | VViki | ver ver very outdated |
| 11:26.37 | fasta | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4072 |
| 11:26.45 | zamuro | Hmmm... try dpkg -l glibc |
| 11:27.00 | zamuro | Check the version, then apt-get install it |
| 11:27.26 | VViki | i downloaded the tar ball |
| 11:28.23 | zamuro | Hmmm... Then ./configure, make, make install. |
| 11:28.30 | liable | fasta: and it doesnt echo that you shouldnt run it as root? |
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| 11:28.55 | liable | if you dont have glibc, then your box wont boot.. |
| 11:29.16 | fasta | liable: I didn't see that, no. And if I understand correctly, it switches to another user. |
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| 11:29.49 | liable | fasta: under /bin/sh, add set -x; reboot |
| 11:30.12 | VViki | hmm... i have glibc, but the verion is over 4 years old |
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| 11:30.34 | fasta | liable: it doesn't give the warning when I run it just as root. |
| 11:31.51 | liable | VViki: are you using debian? |
| 11:32.19 | VViki | no |
| 11:32.38 | liable | VViki: please ask in your distros channel |
| 11:33.07 | VViki | btw, ive just checked the ftp for my distro, its dead, there are only security fixes there |
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| 11:33.28 | VViki | my distro is unsupported |
| 11:33.31 | VViki | no channel |
| 11:33.40 | liable | VViki: we support #debian here, not dead random distros |
| 11:33.57 | sep | VViki, why dont you use a different distro then ? |
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| 11:34.28 | VViki | because im trying to update my distro, it wont even burn CDs |
| 11:34.39 | sep | VViki, use debtakeover then |
| 11:34.39 | VViki | then I can download and burn another distro |
| 11:34.40 | liable | VViki: try ##linux |
| 11:35.31 | sep | §tell VViki about debtakeover |
| 11:35.35 | sep | !tell VViki about debtakeover |
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| 11:37.54 | fasta | liable: bootlog: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4073 |
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| 11:39.05 | VViki | cant install debiantakeover |
| 11:39.17 | VViki | its missing everything but admin privileges |
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| 11:41.13 | liable | fasta: can user freenet make file in /usr/local? |
| 11:41.48 | fasta | liable: no |
| 11:41.55 | fasta | liable: I made it a "system user". |
| 11:42.29 | liable | fasta: read the paragraph before the script proper starts |
| 11:42.55 | liable | fasta: the bit that starts with IMPORTANT |
| 11:43.59 | fasta | liable: how silly of me to miss that. |
| 11:44.19 | fasta | liable: it still can be a "system user", right? |
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| 11:44.54 | liable | fasta: it can be whatever, as long as it can write to that dir |
| 11:45.16 | fasta | liable: but why does it work when I start it manually? |
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| 11:45.55 | fasta | liable: and why /usr/local and not /usr/local/Freenet? |
| 11:46.14 | liable | fasta: my bash foo is weak, but root can of course write to that, but i dont know why it doesnt give you the error about being root. |
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| 11:46.33 | liable | fasta: paste the output from when root runs it (whilst 'set -x' |
| 11:46.35 | liable | ) |
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| 11:46.58 | fs-a | hi, how can i easily find "what depends on this pkg". |
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| 11:47.25 | fs-a | also, what does hald doing in debian sid now? |
| 11:47.46 | fasta | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4074 |
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| 11:51.40 | liable | fasta: to be honest, no clue. try #bash and give them those two pastes. |
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| 11:52.44 | liable | fasta: #bash can be a little slow when america is asleep |
| 11:52.45 | fasta | liable: Hmm, thanks for your time, I will see how far I can get debugging it myself. |
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| 11:55.34 | mwh | what's debian for "which package did this file come from" ? |
| 11:56.14 | epsilon | apt-file search |
| 11:56.24 | liable | mwh: dpkg -S /foo/file |
| 11:56.24 | epsilon | or dpkg -S |
| 11:56.32 | mwh | thanks |
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| 11:56.54 | epsilon | just remember man dpkg :) |
| 11:57.09 | mwh | well, i read that and missed it |
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| 12:06.03 | hathe | anybody knows why hal 0.5.8.1-2 isn't longer available? |
| 12:06.32 | DrJohn | + |
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| 12:07.06 | liable | hathe: i only have -1 on my sid boxen |
| 12:07.22 | DrJohn | ison |
| 12:07.26 | DrJohn | info |
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| 12:08.05 | liable | poor fellow :) |
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| 12:09.14 | hathe | some days ago -2 was out....and they are talking about the -2 verion at the bugs page..... |
| 12:09.34 | liable | in experimental? |
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| 12:13.47 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 12:13.47 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd168 is <Maulkin> *mumble*raid0-isn't-raid*mumble* * resiak removes two of Maulkin's chair's legs. "It's okay, because they were in a redundant array!" |
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| 12:14.05 | Crissi | hello |
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| 12:14.34 | Crissi | i just read http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00018.html and if im right the ipw3945 driver will be included in etch? |
| 12:14.49 | DragonD | Hello. i'm running a shell script that does export XXXX=XXXXX but after i run it it doesn't set XXXX. any ideas? |
| 12:15.00 | liable | Crissi: not likely unless they get off there asses and package it |
| 12:15.15 | liable | Crissi: theres been an itp for months now. :( |
| 12:15.20 | Crissi | i know |
| 12:15.34 | Crissi | ubuntu has packages so it should be simple to build debs |
| 12:16.14 | liable | well, thats as long as the debian devs see the way the have implemented it, as good |
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| 12:16.35 | liable | i personally would like to see the daemon started from udev, not init |
| 12:16.54 | tengulre | liable: I agree u! |
| 12:16.58 | liable | but who knows whats going on.. |
| 12:17.35 | liable | tengulre: you agree with what? you just joined and couldnt have seen what i was talking about.. |
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| 12:18.13 | tengulre | :( |
| 12:18.17 | DragonD | i found it source command |
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| 12:19.36 | liable | Crissi: theres also the firmware issue as to whether it will be usuable on the installer |
| 12:19.57 | tengulre | A is chinese , B is american .A:I'm sorry! B: I'm sorry two! A: I'm sorry three! B: what are you say sorry for? A: I 'm sorry five!! B: ??? |
| 12:20.01 | liable | well, the daemon prolly even rules it out if they decide to include firmware.. :( |
| 12:20.30 | Crissi | liable: it is? |
| 12:21.12 | liable | Crissi: the devs are deciding what to do about non free firmware in regard to including it |
| 12:21.57 | liable | Crissi: there was a vote recently, but its not decided so far. |
| 12:22.22 | Crissi | look http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00018.html |
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| 12:22.27 | liable | tengulre: got some good crack tonight eh? |
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| 12:24.44 | liable | tengulre: i am not sure that means that we will get firmware in the installer (particularly for 3945) |
| 12:24.52 | liable | Crissi: ^^ |
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| 12:25.06 | tengulre | does the debian support multi processor? |
| 12:25.12 | liable | yes |
| 12:25.19 | keko_ | how i can install ati drivers |
| 12:25.56 | tengulre | I have two processors and debian 3.1 , how to know that supported multi-processor? |
| 12:26.19 | liable | tengulre: get an -smp kernel |
| 12:26.46 | tengulre | liable: thanks! I will back home. good night!! |
| 12:26.46 | liable | keko_: /msg dpkg fglrx, or use the ati installer |
| 12:27.19 | liable | time for bed |
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| 12:30.24 | jetscreamer | hey since there's an icedove thunderbird, is there a icesomething for firefox? |
| 12:30.34 | Braindead | iceweasel |
| 12:30.44 | jetscreamer | cool thanks |
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| 12:31.11 | jetscreamer | damn not in sid yet? |
| 12:31.33 | craigevil | not iceweasel still isnt it sid |
| 12:31.48 | jetscreamer | ah well... soon i guess |
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| 12:31.56 | craigevil | just donwload it from gnu.org |
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| 12:32.24 | teledyn | what is wrong with thunderbird/firefox? |
| 12:32.50 | jetscreamer | ff has been crashing/silently exiting on me lately... new behavior for me too. |
| 12:33.10 | teledyn | i mean why the new versions |
| 12:33.42 | teledyn | ? |
| 12:33.51 | tha_guy | no new version, just trademark issues. |
| 12:34.06 | teledyn | trademark? |
| 12:34.25 | teledyn | you mean that ugly little oragne/blue icon? |
| 12:34.33 | craigevil | teledyn see> http://brianmckenna.org/blog/linux/5-reasons-to-support-iceweasel/ |
| 12:34.34 | jetscreamer | name i think |
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| 12:35.03 | craigevil | IceWeasel removes the unfree artwork and plugins. This gives everyone the freedom to modify, distribute and use any part of IceWeasel - unlike Firefox that is not completely free. |
| 12:35.05 | jetscreamer | thunderbird / ripple |
| 12:35.55 | teledyn | oh gosh |
| 12:36.07 | liable | jetscreamer: where have you been the last two weeks? |
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| 12:36.57 | teledyn | an OSS project and they're making a big deal about a logo? |
| 12:37.10 | liable | Crissi: i believe a *bsd dev may have reverse engineered it without the need for the stupid daemon, so heres hoping its bein busilly worked on being ported to linux |
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| 12:37.19 | Braindead | it's not about the logo. it's about the patches |
| 12:37.40 | liable | um, no. its about the logo, the patches are secondary |
| 12:37.46 | teledyn | but my read of it is, if it weren't for the logo concerns, they wouldn't care if its patched |
| 12:38.27 | teledyn | is there really some threat of someone stealing the logo or doing something bad with it? |
| 12:38.29 | Crissi | liable: cool! |
| 12:38.51 | teledyn | or are there now too many attorneys affiliated with the project? |
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| 12:39.16 | jetscreamer | liable: working |
| 12:39.28 | Braindead | liable: I know it's not all about the patches. but it's easier to explain at least... |
| 12:39.50 | jetscreamer | and on etch too |
| 12:39.51 | liable | Braindead: the artwork and trademark is the main reason |
| 12:39.56 | Trewas | teledyn: no, the official logo just has a license which says it can't be modified and DFSG does not allow such files in debian main (which is IMO quite stupid, it's just one logo and trivial to replace completely...) |
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| 12:40.24 | liable | lets not bash this out here.. its been done to death |
| 12:40.33 | jetscreamer | one day we will wake up and they will be selling ff and thunderbird, just like other oss things imo |
| 12:40.36 | Crissi | liable: do you have more facts about it |
| 12:40.37 | Crissi | ? |
| 12:40.39 | teledyn | Trewas: ah i see. a technicality |
| 12:41.04 | Braindead | liable: the general public quite won't understand a fork "because of a logo",that's how they're gonna get it |
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| 12:41.22 | teledyn | yeah |
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| 12:41.35 | hid3 | I've compiled my kernel with raid(1) support. I've set up raid1 in my raid bios. When my machine boots up, I can see in dmesg: raid1 personality registered for level1. What should be my next step to start using the disk array? |
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| 12:41.47 | liable | Crissi: http://kerneltrap.org/node/6650 |
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| 12:41.54 | Crissi | thx |
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| 12:42.32 | liable | Braindead: indeed, but thats what it is, and quite frankly, thats what debian is about. its gotta be 'free', the whole damn lot of it |
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| 12:43.31 | teledyn | what would happen if debian excepted such things? would it damage it? |
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| 12:43.58 | Trewas | last time I checked DFSG says "Our priorities are our users and free software", sometimes it feels like "users" should be removed from there... like the kernel firmware thing and handling of GFDL |
| 12:44.04 | tha_guy | Why don't they keep firefox/thunderbird in non-free? |
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| 12:44.32 | pelzi_ | non-free is not debian at all. |
| 12:44.43 | pelzi_ | it has nothing to do with debian really. |
| 12:44.50 | sep | Trewas, for users (as myself) it's essensial that i dont get mixed up into legal copyright/trademark violations, using debian is my guarantee for that |
| 12:44.50 | tha_guy | pelzi_: OK, what is the problem with that? |
| 12:45.06 | pelzi_ | the fact that debian would be without a browser. |
| 12:45.21 | jetscreamer | w/o a browser? |
| 12:45.32 | jetscreamer | there's many browsers |
| 12:45.33 | liable | huh, nevermind the dozens of others out there.. |
| 12:45.46 | Trewas | sep: as an user I might want to read the docs or RFCs, or just use my hardware which needs some firmware |
| 12:45.51 | jetscreamer | then there's the ones not in sources |
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| 12:45.59 | tha_guy | pelzi_: but you can always get non-free packages into your installation, yea? |
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| 12:46.11 | pelzi_ | non-free will never get to the installation CDs |
| 12:46.16 | sep | Trewas, but i check that my hardware is supported _before_ i buy it |
| 12:46.16 | jpa | hi all |
| 12:46.31 | pelzi_ | and is not used by default. |
| 12:46.54 | tha_guy | is it the same issue with java? |
| 12:47.05 | teledyn | question: so the "non-free" in the debian mirror line in sources.list - that is somehow independent of debian? |
| 12:47.16 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 12:47.18 | sep | Trewas, both becouse i dont want to have a hassle when using it, but also becouse i dont want to support hardware vendors that dont care about providing *nix's with proper drivers. |
| 12:47.19 | pelzi_ | and yes. |
| 12:47.35 | teledyn | but firefox could continue to exist there? |
| 12:47.40 | pelzi_ | non-free is on the same ftps but that's about it, it is not part of debian. |
| 12:47.43 | pelzi_ | yes, it could. |
| 12:47.46 | teledyn | ah ok |
| 12:47.49 | jetscreamer | apt-get install vrms ! |
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| 12:47.51 | Trewas | sep: sure, but there is still not reading the docs part ;) |
| 12:47.53 | jetscreamer | !worship rms |
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| 12:48.07 | sep | teledyn, it's still firefox it just have a different name, is it realy that bad. ? |
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| 12:48.32 | pelzi_ | exactly. |
| 12:48.32 | teledyn | sep: not at all. i was more worried about a strict policy if somehow the stuff in non-free would be blocked |
| 12:48.56 | pelzi_ | you can have anything in non-free as long as the license allows it to be distributed. |
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| 12:49.16 | teledyn | i'm glad that there's some kind of co-existence/integration even while debian can remain pure itself |
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| 12:49.33 | Trewas | I already uninstalled the debian version of firefox and got the official one from upstream :P |
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| 12:50.02 | pelzi_ | I'd rather have mozilla stop being idiotic and making their software non-free for some stupid name |
| 12:50.10 | teledyn | what about something like php packages recompiled with oracle instant client support? |
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| 12:50.20 | jetscreamer | i rather they resurrect mozilla |
| 12:50.21 | teledyn | or even oracle instant client itself? |
| 12:50.34 | sep | teledyn, is it distributeable ? |
| 12:50.41 | pelzi_ | it can be in non-free if it is legal to distribute it, no matter if it is free or not |
| 12:50.42 | Crissi | liable: the intel devs are really stupid :-D |
| 12:50.56 | teledyn | currently you have to rebuild the php packages, and tools like tora in order for the oracle support which they leave out for some reason |
| 12:51.09 | liable | Crissi: ya |
| 12:51.18 | pelzi_ | stupid for oracle really. |
| 12:51.30 | Trewas | and I'd rather have debian stopping wasting time and effort interpreting what is free enough and concentrate on making a good and usable distro |
| 12:51.43 | teledyn | sep: i know that php is. i don't know abot oracle - maybe their pricks about allowing their client to be distributed by anyone but themselves |
| 12:51.44 | pelzi_ | how would it hurt them to distribute software only usable with their own database? |
| 12:51.55 | teledyn | s/their/they're/ |
| 12:52.04 | liable | Trewas: dude, its a part of debian. if you dont like it, switch |
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| 12:52.16 | pelzi_ | exactly like hardware manufacturers. what the heck is wrong with users buying their hardware and using it... |
| 12:52.26 | teledyn | pelzi_: probably some bizdev/marketing people would have apoplexies |
| 12:52.28 | liable | Trewas: what you call wasting time, others call a good thing |
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| 12:52.35 | Trewas | liable: no, it has become part of the debian when DFSG was changed a couple of years ago |
| 12:52.48 | Trewas | liable: to include everything in main, not just "software" |
| 12:52.52 | Ronin | liable: but like all things it gets carried to far and to extremes :) |
| 12:53.10 | teledyn | pelzi_: they couldn't mandatorily collect your fake identification information (which you supplied via 'rig') before downloading it |
| 12:53.13 | pelzi_ | I rather use debian this way. |
| 12:53.21 | pelzi_ | teledyn: true |
| 12:53.50 | liable | i dont see the big deal.. it has trademarked liscensed shit in it. so they remove that and call it something else. |
| 12:53.56 | teledyn | hi, I'm Aurora Stephenson |
| 12:54.08 | teledyn | :-) |
| 12:54.15 | Trewas | liable: before that change stuff like licenses of logos and docs was much more grey-area and the stuff could be left in main, now that _everything_ has to be DFSG free stuff like dropping gcc docs because of four lines of text happens |
| 12:54.17 | pelzi_ | this is exactly like selling red hat as red coat. |
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| 12:54.22 | sep | Trewas, and im greatful that debian does this legal thinking for me, so i dont have to. the licence trademark/copyright issues is realy something i am very happy i dont have to deal with every day |
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| 12:54.47 | pelzi_ | if debian wouldn't do this non-free stuff would slowly seep into our machines. |
| 12:54.54 | liable | Trewas: and we had an agreement with mozilla that was cool, and *they* changed there minds.. |
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| 12:54.59 | pelzi_ | the situation would be the same as it was before GNU. |
| 12:55.27 | teledyn | i agree on the sharp distinction |
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| 12:56.07 | oxyride | someone told us that FF is a trick, it came true... |
| 12:56.23 | oxyride | s/trick/trap |
| 12:56.56 | aspWork | hi guys, i am trying to setup dav access to svn via apache2 under debian. As soons as i add the AuthUserFile apache2 wont load, it just gives me: Invalid command 'AuthUserFile'. Any ideas what might be wrong? |
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| 12:57.07 | matteo | hi all |
| 12:57.11 | matteo | dpkg doesn't create the xorg.conf file |
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| 12:57.17 | matteo | what i have to edit? |
| 12:57.25 | matteo | i remember some md5 stored |
| 12:57.37 | oxyride | I hope we could continue to use Seamonkey |
| 12:57.43 | keko_ | how i can reconfigure x-window-system ?? |
| 12:57.48 | pelzi_ | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 12:57.56 | Braindead | matteo: yeah,it's clearly stated in the comments at the begin of the xorg.conf file |
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| 12:58.12 | matteo | Braindead: unfortunately i have removed it |
| 12:58.19 | stew | matteo: /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
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| 12:58.45 | liable | might want to touch the file first? |
| 12:58.50 | aspWork | could i be missing some basic auth module? |
| 12:58.54 | keko_ | pelzi_: was that for me |
| 12:59.22 | pelzi_ | nope, for you it probably is dpkg-reconfigure x-window-system. |
| 12:59.34 | liable | eh? |
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| 12:59.46 | matteo | it still doesn't create it |
| 13:00.01 | matteo | # md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 13:00.01 | matteo | /etc/X11/xorg.conf: OK |
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| 13:00.44 | liable | matteo: touch /etc/X11/xorg.conf then run md5sum |
| 13:00.49 | keko_ | pelzi_: yea, i try that i do nothing.. dont even give any error message |
| 13:01.13 | pelzi_ | probably it has no config then |
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| 13:01.41 | matteo | done |
| 13:01.46 | matteo | it doesn't create it |
| 13:02.00 | stew | matteo: what version of xserver-xorg do you have installed? |
| 13:02.15 | matteo | 7.0.22 |
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| 13:03.18 | stew | matteo: dpkg --force-depends --purge xserver-xorg && apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 13:03.18 | liable | matteo: you need to run the second command in that factoid |
| 13:03.37 | keko_ | pelzi_: i have strange problem, my locales work fine in runelev 2, but not in run level 5 |
| 13:03.42 | mynullvoid | why just don't apt-get install xserver-xorg --reinstall |
| 13:03.44 | matteo | second command? |
| 13:03.49 | liable | yes |
| 13:04.11 | matteo | what is a factoid? |
| 13:04.11 | stew | mynullvoid: becuase a reinstall wouldn't change config, and certainly wouldn't do confmiss |
| 13:04.14 | liable | md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 13:04.19 | keko_ | how i can install ati drivers |
| 13:04.22 | matteo | liable: already done |
| 13:04.28 | mynullvoid | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
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| 13:04.48 | matteo | tryng stew's cmd |
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| 13:05.16 | keko_ | !ati installer |
| 13:05.33 | keko_ | !tell keko ati installer |
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| 13:05.57 | stew | mynullvoid: it doesn't overwrite xorg.conf sometimes even when it should, it's a know bug |
| 13:06.41 | keko_ | what is problem locales working fine in runinit 2 but not in runinit ? |
| 13:06.46 | mynullvoid | stew: if we upgrade xfree to xorg, there will be a bug on the xorg.conf |
| 13:07.36 | keko_ | and how to install ati drivers somebody tellme :) |
| 13:07.36 | mynullvoid | keko_: ask google |
| 13:07.36 | mynullvoid | stew: something to do with a symlink |
| 13:07.52 | stew | mynullvoid: i didn't understand the question if that was a question |
| 13:07.55 | keko_ | mynullvoid: thanks for a smart answer.. |
| 13:08.00 | matteo | stew: works |
| 13:08.03 | stew | keko_: which radeon chipset do you have? |
| 13:08.04 | mynullvoid | ok |
| 13:08.16 | stew | keko_: are you asking about the non-free drivers from ati or the free drivers |
| 13:08.38 | keko_ | im not sure this is laptop hp 2165ea |
| 13:08.52 | stew | keko_: what does "lspci | grep VGA" say? |
| 13:08.59 | keko_ | or compaq what ever is this |
| 13:09.00 | keko_ | ok |
| 13:09.38 | keko_ | lspci command dont work :) |
| 13:09.47 | abrotman | !tell keko_ about msg the bot |
| 13:09.49 | stew | keko_: install pciutils |
| 13:11.21 | keko_ | stew: ati radeon IGP 330m, 340m, 350 |
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| 13:12.40 | stew | keko_: what version of debian are you running? |
| 13:12.49 | keko_ | latest testing |
| 13:13.17 | keko_ | sarge =) |
| 13:13.36 | mynullvoid | sarge is stable |
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| 13:13.42 | stew | keko_: there is good support for that card including 3d accelleration from the free driver in the xserver-xorg-video-ati package |
| 13:13.48 | stew | oh |
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| 13:14.06 | stew | keko_: which? testing or sarge? what version of libc6 do you have installed? |
| 13:14.12 | keko_ | testing |
| 13:14.37 | mynullvoid | keko_: what your /etc/apt/source.list says? |
| 13:15.23 | keko_ | testing etch |
| 13:15.57 | keko_ | stew: so apt-get install xserver-zorg-video-ati ?? |
| 13:16.04 | keko_ | and dats it |
| 13:16.29 | keko_ | xorg |
| 13:16.39 | keko_ | =) |
| 13:16.46 | stew | keko_: xorg not zorg, but yes, that will make sure you have the latest free ati/radeon driver, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" and choose ati or radeon to use it |
| 13:16.48 | mynullvoid | apt-get install xserver-xorg-video-ati |
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| 13:19.13 | keko_ | amount memory |
| 13:19.19 | keko_ | is this important section |
| 13:19.20 | stew | keko_: leave it blank |
| 13:19.24 | keko_ | ok |
| 13:19.27 | stew | keko_: and leave busid blank |
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| 13:20.01 | keko_ | use kernel framebuffer ? yes no |
| 13:20.05 | urano2k6 | hi |
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| 13:20.30 | stew | !widhe |
| 13:20.31 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 13:21.42 | mynullvoid | stew: I like that widhe heheheh |
| 13:21.48 | mynullvoid | !widhe |
| 13:21.49 | dpkg | When In Doubt, Hit Enter |
| 13:22.05 | peterS | I don't |
| 13:22.06 | peterS | think |
| 13:22.08 | peterS | widhe |
| 13:22.10 | peterS | is a good idea |
| 13:22.13 | keko_ | RED THE FOCKING GOOGÖE mynullvoid |
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| 13:23.01 | mynullvoid | peterS: it's not a good idea but - it's a newbie thingie |
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| 13:24.26 | keko_ | !tell keko about marillat |
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| 13:25.34 | keko_ | !tell mynullvoid about gogle |
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| 13:26.03 | mynullvoid | !beat keko_ |
| 13:26.32 | keko_ | !knife mynullvoid |
| 13:26.39 | keko_ | :D |
| 13:26.47 | peterS | ok guys, please use "/msg dpkg" to play with the bot now |
| 13:26.53 | enouf | keko_: please /msg the bot |
| 13:26.57 | mynullvoid | sorry bro |
| 13:27.09 | simonrvn | baaack :) |
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| 13:27.18 | mynullvoid | hi simonrvn |
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| 13:28.29 | keko_ | cya l8er i go enjoy my debian =) |
| 13:28.54 | keko_ | ps x |
| 13:29.01 | mynullvoid | keko_: I don't know how you are going to enjoy debian |
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| 13:32.32 | _ericb | hi all |
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| 13:33.56 | _ericb | I'm currently looking for a new LCD Monitor, I noticed a few have a 'rotating' functions.. that means you can rotate the monitor from landscape format to portrait format.. On windows, the resolution changes automatically (from 1600x1200 to 1200x1600). Is it possible to make this work with linux ? |
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| 13:34.30 | redrain | Hi, I'm trying to install mysql5 on debian sarge from backports.org. I've added apt source but apt-get update gives "Not implemented" error. Is this a backport's server problem? |
| 13:34.46 | urano2k6 | Somebody has experience in the implementation of m23? |
| 13:34.49 | pelzi_ | _ericb: probably, but I'm not sure, that has some kind of driver support |
| 13:35.04 | Anarka | redrain check the line you added |
| 13:35.17 | pelzi_ | _ericb: it is probably usb, so it needs some programming, but not at all impossible to do. not sure if it is already implemented |
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| 13:35.29 | streuner | redrain: sounds rather than a apt problem, can you show us the whole error in paster bot? |
| 13:35.31 | _ericb | I heard about a xrandr extantion for X that does it but it looks experimental |
| 13:35.45 | redrain | Anarka: I've checked letter by letter I'm sure it's ok... |
| 13:35.49 | pelzi_ | it just needs drivers for the monitor |
| 13:35.57 | streuner | redrain: and what Anarka said, show us your sources.list too |
| 13:35.58 | pelzi_ | anyeay, you can change it manually with one keystroke. |
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| 13:36.04 | pelzi_ | not that big of a problem |
| 13:36.12 | keko_ | i still got one error with fuqs my brains.. my locales works great in runlevel 2 but work wrong in runlevel 5 :/ |
| 13:36.16 | Anarka | yeah... paste your sources.list |
| 13:36.25 | Anarka | not on the channel of course ;) |
| 13:37.12 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:37.12 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:37.41 | redrain | Anarka, streuner : http://pastebin.ca/205027 |
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| 13:38.05 | dubis_ | !fr |
| 13:38.05 | dpkg | Pour l'aide en francais, veuillez aller aux canaux #debian-fr sur irc.debian.org ou irc.freenode.net. |
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| 13:39.35 | urano2k6 | somebody knows m23? |
| 13:39.35 | Anarka | erm... :) |
| 13:39.46 | tarzeau | is etch out? |
| 13:39.54 | eps | no |
| 13:39.56 | eps | yes |
| 13:39.58 | eps | maybe |
| 13:40.03 | eps | silly question exists! |
| 13:40.07 | tjousk | heh |
| 13:40.12 | cast | etch is testing. testing is out, yes |
| 13:40.21 | eps | ^^ what he said ;) |
| 13:40.48 | tarzeau | where's the current release plan? |
| 13:40.52 | eps | etch is not yet stable if that was the real question :) |
| 13:41.03 | eps | it's done when it's done? |
| 13:41.06 | tarzeau | eps: that wasn't the question either |
| 13:41.11 | eps | eg before vista is released |
| 13:41.19 | tarzeau | the question was: where's the current release plan? |
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| 13:41.41 | eps | well that's simple, it's at debian.org |
| 13:41.46 | srepfler | is there a tool for x that can show me what's the current resolution? |
| 13:41.47 | tarzeau | eps: i can't find it at http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/ |
| 13:41.51 | tarzeau | srepfler: yes |
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| 13:42.05 | tarzeau | eps: that's like, yes it's on the internet somewhere |
| 13:42.05 | cahoot | srepfler, xdpyinfo or xrandr |
| 13:42.07 | eps | tarzeau looking now |
| 13:42.22 | tarzeau | eps: really, either you can tell an exact location, otherwise i don't want an answer and can find it myself |
| 13:42.44 | cast | wikipedia has debians release plan, which has turned out somewhat wrong. in summary, debian release plans are less plans and more guesses |
| 13:42.47 | redrain | Anarka, streuner : Any idea? |
| 13:42.55 | Anarka | not really |
| 13:43.01 | tarzeau | cast: yes but i want to see the guesses |
| 13:43.03 | Anarka | does aptitude give the same error ? |
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| 13:43.24 | redrain | Anarka: Yes |
| 13:43.32 | eps | Index of releases |
| 13:43.34 | eps | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:43.35 | eps | ^^ from debian.org |
| 13:43.40 | jhonn | hello |
| 13:43.51 | tarzeau | eps: that's obviously wrong |
| 13:43.54 | jhonn | someone knows how to install an .rpm package in debian? |
| 13:44.03 | tarzeau | eps: because nobody updates it. the mailing lists say different |
| 13:44.04 | jhonn | what is the command?= |
| 13:44.12 | Ronin | jhonn: on purpose? alien iirc but have you looked to see if its in apt? |
| 13:44.15 | d0uglas | Strange thing. When i plug in to my office network, i can ping ips, i can do nslookups, but i can't connect to hosts unless i type the ip in... any idea? |
| 13:44.19 | tarzeau | jhonn: yes, don't do it (rpm -i the.rpm) |
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| 13:44.30 | tarzeau | Ronin: alien doesn't install it, it just can convert it |
| 13:44.35 | Ronin | ahhhh |
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| 13:44.38 | stew | jhonn: what software are you trying to install, are you sure there is no better way? |
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| 13:44.39 | tarzeau | Ronin: and depending on the rpm, it might fail |
| 13:44.40 | d0uglas | the laptop works fine on other networks |
| 13:44.46 | tarzeau | stew: he has no idea |
| 13:44.47 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: ask the admin |
| 13:44.51 | cast | tarzeau: http://lwn.net/Articles/203902/ |
| 13:44.54 | Anarka | redrain ask if someone is having problems with backports |
| 13:44.58 | jhonn | stew: denyhosts.. |
| 13:44.58 | cast | tarzeau: ^a recent bit of news :> |
| 13:45.01 | muh2000 | is there something similar to microsoft visual studio for debian available ? |
| 13:45.05 | abrotman | anjuta |
| 13:45.13 | eps | muh2000 what are you trying to do? |
| 13:45.14 | pelzi_ | what language, what kind of IDE |
| 13:45.19 | Pryon | d0uglas: sounds like a DNS problem. What's in /etc/resolv.conf? |
| 13:45.22 | pelzi_ | MS visual studio is, well, large |
| 13:45.30 | stew | jhonn: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 13:45.47 | stew | jhonn: its in testing and unstable, so backport it with those instructions from dpkg |
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| 13:45.52 | redrain | Anarka: Ok |
| 13:46.01 | _plouf_ | hi |
| 13:46.14 | stew | jhonn: oh, its python, that means its not going to backport easily |
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| 13:46.17 | muh2000 | eps i am studying right now and i have to learn C. in class we use microsoft visual studio 2005 |
| 13:46.27 | redrain | Is there anyone having problems with backports? |
| 13:46.43 | jhonn | stew: do you know some better solution for ssh brute force attacks??? |
| 13:46.43 | Pryon | muh2000: Just use your favorite text editor and an xterm. |
| 13:46.48 | pelzi_ | muh2000: use your favorite text editor and gcc, and complain to them for using proprietary things. |
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| 13:47.12 | stoned | I have a 500gb disk, on which I created 1 partition of XFS file system. I have only 465GB free to use. What happened to the other 35gb of the disk space? |
| 13:47.17 | eps | muh2000 I think you will find that command line will suit you fine ... currently I use xcode under mac (osx) and under linux I tend to just use vim and compile from the command line |
| 13:47.23 | cast | muh2000: use gcc, i'll bet you'll be a better coder as a result of it. VC++ did some realyl weird things at times i found :x |
| 13:47.25 | stoned | I thought xfs didn't take as much space |
| 13:47.31 | d0uglas | Pryon: my home network's dns servers.. i'll switch them. |
| 13:47.34 | pelzi_ | stoned: the disk is not really 500g. that's it |
| 13:47.36 | muh2000 | right now we are only doing some comand line based stuff... how do i use gcc to start simple mini programms ? |
| 13:47.55 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: any good office network won't pass dns to anything other than the designated server |
| 13:48.05 | stoned | it says 500 on 8it |
| 13:48.10 | pelzi_ | it is not 500. |
| 13:48.14 | _plouf_ | is there anyone who have installed debian on a poweredge 860 ? |
| 13:48.19 | Anarka | redrain you could also try one of the mirrors http://www.backports.org/debian/README.mirrors.html |
| 13:48.20 | pelzi_ | it is 5000 * 1000 * 1000 * 1000 bytes. |
| 13:48.24 | Pryon | jhonn: use the AllowUsers in sshd_config |
| 13:48.31 | stoned | what happend to the 24 |
| 13:48.39 | eps | you write the app, then compile it ( g++ sourcecode.cpp -o compiledoutput ) then make it executable ( chmod +x compiledoutput ) then run it ( ./compiledoutput |
| 13:48.40 | d0uglas | pelzi_: gotchya but does it sound like my dhcp is broken? or the networks? i have no problem switching from other networks to other ones |
| 13:48.41 | eps | ) |
| 13:48.42 | pelzi_ | not 5000 * 1024 * 1024 * 1024 bytes which is 500 gigabytes. |
| 13:48.42 | stew | jhonn: first, make sure you don't have weak passwords |
| 13:48.48 | stoned | hmm |
| 13:48.52 | stoned | so I got ripped off? |
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| 13:48.59 | cast | muh2000: gcc -Wall prog.c ; ./a.out |
| 13:49.01 | stew | jhonn: you could install fail2ban 0.6.1-8 from sdn (/msg dpkg sdn) or find a version of denyhosts on sdn from before it started depending on python-central |
| 13:49.09 | pelzi_ | that is a marketing trick used by all HD manufacturers, so yes, you are being ripped off. |
| 13:49.10 | eps | stoned welcome to the hard drive industry |
| 13:49.12 | muh2000 | eps do i have to call the source file *.cpp ? |
| 13:49.20 | redrain | Anarka: The problem seems about my server, I've tried same address on my desktop machine and it works fine. What could be the problem? |
| 13:49.22 | srepfler | muh2000, ask your professor wheter or not he's ok in you using something else |
| 13:49.28 | eps | every hard drive has the maths gap there and people are starting to notice it now that drives are getting huge |
| 13:49.29 | Anarka | ohhhh |
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| 13:49.36 | eps | muh2000 not at all |
| 13:50.08 | eps | I rarely do, though it is good practic to do so :P ...or sourcecode.c if it isn't cpp :P |
| 13:50.10 | d0uglas | Pryon: it's fixed, thanks for pointing me at the resolv conf |
| 13:50.13 | muh2000 | ok thank you guys :) i will try that out soon :) |
| 13:50.14 | Pryon | np |
| 13:50.19 | srepfler | if he intends to use something that's MS proprieatary then you have a problem |
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| 13:50.42 | pelzi_ | just dump any school making you use proprietary stuff. |
| 13:50.51 | muh2000 | hehe downloading m$ visual studio 120 days demo right now in case i have to do win32 stuff... |
| 13:50.53 | eps | out of interest my resolv.conf keeps reverting to a state before I edited it to fix a dns issue yesterday, is dhclient reverting it? or some thing else? |
| 13:50.53 | Ronin | heh pelzi_ very funny |
| 13:50.56 | pelzi_ | I'd complain and leave that moment. |
| 13:50.59 | tarzeau | well not nearly soon http://bugs.debian.org/release-critical/ |
| 13:51.08 | srepfler | I think you can use the express edition |
| 13:51.11 | srepfler | and it's fre |
| 13:51.12 | pelzi_ | eps: yes, dhclient does. |
| 13:51.12 | srepfler | e |
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| 13:51.32 | Ronin | pelzi_: sure you would |
| 13:51.40 | eps | is there a way I can force a nameserver to override the one being forced by dhcp? |
| 13:51.48 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 13:51.49 | pelzi_ | man dhclient |
| 13:51.55 | pelzi_ | can't remember how |
| 13:51.58 | eps | kthx |
| 13:52.00 | muh2000 | oh i will download the express version after that :) but 120 days is the time till one semester is finished :) |
| 13:52.20 | pelzi_ | doesn't the school give you a license? |
| 13:52.32 | abrotman | it doesn't matter .. it's not related to debian |
| 13:53.06 | cast | srepfler: i wouldn't personally ask, it would be a very curious person to object to you using the free and relatively platform independant solution instead of the single platform, propietry one |
| 13:53.34 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 13:54.02 | stew | eps: man dhclient.conf |
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| 13:54.03 | pelzi_ | I would at least go to the superiors and complain. |
| 13:54.03 | stew | eps: or use the resolvconf package |
| 13:54.03 | eps | pelzi_ I believe adding prepend domain-name-servers ipaddress is the solution, thanks :) |
| 13:54.03 | abrotman | pelzi_: noone cares .. shut up about it already |
| 13:54.03 | muh2000 | pelzi_ i dont know maybe... but i havent the time. i have to write something till tomorrow :) |
| 13:54.03 | srepfler | cast, not in my world |
| 13:54.20 | srepfler | teachers can and usually do make restrictions |
| 13:54.24 | eps | pelzi_ m$ only allows education volume licences to apply to teachers and general (none aux) staff, not students |
| 13:54.51 | Bhavesh | this channel's been around for a while hasn't it? |
| 13:54.54 | _plouf_ | no one know the SAS 5/ir controler ? |
| 13:54.59 | eps | `info |
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| 13:55.05 | pelzi_ | well, how should the students then do the assignments? |
| 13:55.12 | cast | srepfler: oh i think there's a particully strong case for Free software in education. i could understand using VC++ if your boss demanded it, but the education sector is alot different. the main goal is your own learning :> |
| 13:55.14 | eps | chanserv doesn't provide info? |
| 13:55.16 | srepfler | actually if your faculty is part of the MS academic alliance you might get a free copy of MS Visual Studio |
| 13:55.23 | eps | ah there |
| 13:55.30 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 13:55.35 | eps | [2006/10/16|23:55:19] -ChanServ- Registered: 8 years 34 weeks 4 days (16h 11m 46s) ago < -- Bhavesh |
| 13:55.41 | cast | srepfler: free as beer, though |
| 13:55.46 | pelzi_ | it would be stupid of MS not to give free licences to students. |
| 13:55.46 | srepfler | cast, I can vouch I have a teacher that works only with MS stuff |
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| 13:55.57 | muh2000 | i prefere free software too, but if they want that i have to....... |
| 13:56.01 | srepfler | it doesn't matter if it's stupid or not |
| 13:56.09 | d0uglas | so i barely have my broadcom 4306 working, but only on unsecured networks. No luck with wpa supplicant. Is it possible that some adapters sort of work but not yet in wpa? or do i need to go back to the man pages |
| 13:56.11 | abrotman | it would be stupid to discuss MS VS in #debian .. but you're doing that |
| 13:56.16 | cast | srepfler: ANSI complaint C is just that though, surely |
| 13:56.16 | srepfler | you don't change your university because of a teache but you adapt |
| 13:56.16 | pelzi_ | well, MS hasn't been stupid in those things. |
| 13:56.20 | eps | pelzi_ no it isn't, they make money off students and it teaches the students to pay for software and not to expect it for free |
| 13:56.24 | cast | srepfler: eh, *spelling |
| 13:56.27 | muh2000 | but a lot of my IT teachers knew linux/unix etc.... also.. |
| 13:56.45 | pelzi_ | eps: making students learn to use MS stuff would make them use it at work too, which is money for ms. |
| 13:56.58 | abrotman | d0uglas: you might need ndiswrapper for it |
| 13:56.58 | pelzi_ | eps: if the students use gcc, they are less likely to use ms stuff later. |
| 13:57.07 | eps | pelzi_ that isn't the logic they are following |
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| 13:57.25 | srepfler | I'm not discussion on VS, I'm telling muh2000 on how the education system works |
| 13:57.33 | pngwn | if the students aren't using debian it is off topic in here |
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| 13:57.36 | srepfler | teachers can make rules |
| 13:57.36 | Pr0nStrGeek | lol... whether the students use gcc or not, they will use whatever pays them later... be it ms, gcc, cc or whatever else... |
| 13:57.44 | abrotman | srepfler: then msg him |
| 13:57.45 | d0uglas | abrotman: if i fire up ndiswrapper do i need to get rid of the bcm43xx modules? or maybe blacklist something as i though i heard somewhere? |
| 13:57.48 | muh2000 | yeah i allready know that circle of money ^^ |
| 13:57.50 | eps | they assume that the average student isn't aware of gpp and that those who are will be forced by market pressure to use them anyway (see all the uni students using gpp in education but not in the "real world") |
| 13:57.55 | srepfler | I use debian |
| 13:57.59 | muh2000 | some teachers even do not like that they use M$.... |
| 13:58.00 | abrotman | d0uglas: don't need to .. just don't load them |
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| 13:58.17 | d0uglas | ok i'll give it a try, thank you |
| 13:58.28 | pelzi_ | at least here the good unis have completely unix-based systems for programming courses. |
| 13:58.33 | eps | srepfler you're understanding of the 'education system' is rather limited (and sounds american...) and your assumptions are flawed. |
| 13:58.35 | pelzi_ | you can ssh to them to do your assignments. |
| 13:58.36 | srepfler | but I also study and I only tried to give advice to consult with the teacher before he might do something that might damage his studies |
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| 13:59.02 | srepfler | I study in Italy, and I speak from experience not assumptions |
| 13:59.06 | pelzi_ | the worse ones teach java on windows... talk about vendor lock-in... |
| 13:59.09 | eps | the uni I go to maintains its own default branch of debian :) |
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| 13:59.28 | OpenMacNews | hi. i've built debian's logrotate 3.7.1-3, which includes the 'dateext' & 'maxage' patches. works fine -- but the man pages are NOT updated to include these two new extensions. where can i find (how do i build?) updated manpages? |
| 13:59.32 | d0uglas | eps: which university? |
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| 13:59.40 | eps | one in qld australia |
| 13:59.51 | abrotman | OpenMacNews: they might be there .. but in /usr/local/man/ ? |
| 13:59.56 | d0uglas | what's unique about their debian |
| 14:00.02 | abrotman | OpenMacNews: it might depend on the search path of man |
| 14:00.03 | eps | nothing |
| 14:00.05 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 14:00.18 | pelzi_ | probably just customized for their systems |
| 14:00.31 | abrotman | or some tard who thinks that he knows better |
| 14:00.52 | muh2000 | pizza is ready ^^ |
| 14:01.00 | pelzi_ | well you try administrating an uni of machines without some kind of customized OS |
| 14:01.05 | pelzi_ | -n |
| 14:01.06 | eps | that and it is pushed to all of the students (with some success) and supported in house |
| 14:02.12 | FernandoMM | Could someone tell me if there is a project for a control center to debian? |
| 14:02.20 | eps | which is good for those of us who use debian as we can grab everything locally, and good in general as debian/ubuntu are the flavours of choice for all students - many of whom try linux because they see it as a cheap alternative to windows (cost of printed cds) |
| 14:02.45 | eps | funny how people don't use linux if it's free because they don't see it as having value, though when they have to pay for it they accept it easier |
| 14:02.58 | abrotman | FernandoMM: like cpanel ? |
| 14:03.03 | pelzi_ | it is weird. |
| 14:03.21 | pelzi_ | but getting something tangible and paying for it is a better feeling. |
| 14:03.29 | pelzi_ | even if the cost is minimal. |
| 14:03.43 | abrotman | oh yeah .. free stuff really sucks |
| 14:03.43 | eps | I get some thing tangible with the ubuntu cd's and it's free still though :P |
| 14:03.43 | FernandoMM | abrotman: something like yast if for Suse. Something that you can control your system using mouse clicks instead of editing files. |
| 14:03.44 | abrotman | wtf |
| 14:03.48 | abrotman | !yasty |
| 14:03.49 | abrotman | !yast |
| 14:03.49 | dpkg | i guess yast is Yet Another Stupid package Tool :) |
| 14:03.51 | FernandoMM | is for Suse* |
| 14:03.52 | abrotman | grrr |
| 14:03.52 | enouf | OpenMacNews: not usre ifthis applies, but i was reviewing the cron.daily .weekly scipts lately and noticed a manpage reference in the comments |
| 14:03.55 | eps | lol |
| 14:03.55 | abrotman | it's outthere |
| 14:04.00 | _plouf_ | info sas |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ |
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| 14:04.23 | d0uglas | are the debian mirrors' bandwidth paid for by donations or are they mostly volunteers willing to spare some resources to further mankind? |
| 14:04.23 | pelzi_ | free stuff is free, so not worth anything, even the price of a cd is better than that |
| 14:04.24 | eps | FernandoMM what did you want to control? |
| 14:04.26 | abrotman | FernandoMM: but i doubt it |
| 14:04.32 | abrotman | FernandoMM: of course .. we do use debconf |
| 14:04.32 | OpenMacNews | abrotman: hi. i cheched the path ... and my build *is* building a new man page (logrotate.8). just not with the new extension data |
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| 14:04.45 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: the ones here are mostly in unis (free bandwidth inside the country) |
| 14:04.45 | abrotman | OpenMacNews: uhoh .. heads will roll! |
| 14:04.49 | enouf | FernandoMM: seems like you want a full KDE install |
| 14:05.19 | OpenMacNews | abrotman: heh ... |
| 14:05.19 | OpenMacNews | anyone i should facilitiate the 'rolling' with (of?)? |
| 14:05.21 | enouf | FernandoMM: then see K Control Center and InfoCenter and such |
| 14:05.35 | Ronin | isnt there a gnome control os something too? or does it have to be kde? |
| 14:05.38 | abrotman | enouf: what the hell are you saying? |
| 14:05.41 | abrotman | he didn't even ask for a GUI |
| 14:05.48 | abrotman | just a control center |
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| 14:05.55 | abrotman | have you *ever* used yast? |
| 14:05.56 | enouf | abrotman: prolly nothing .. as usual |
| 14:05.56 | eps | enouf or a default gnome install? |
| 14:06.12 | enouf | well I don't know gnome |
| 14:06.18 | Ronin | sure he did abrotman, control your system using mouse clicks |
| 14:06.24 | enouf | well* |
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| 14:07.03 | FernandoMM | eps: Actually, i have a portuguese(br) board about debian. Lots of users comes there asking for help in different things. Example, how can i change my ethernet ip address? Then i tell that they have to edit /etc/network/interfaces and show them how they sould edit. What happens it that one week after that this user have changed from debian to another os because he just don't want to keep editing files. |
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| 14:07.14 | enouf | abrotman: [09:55:13] <FernandoMM> abrotman: something like yast if for Suse. Something that you can control your system using mouse clicks instead of editing files |
| 14:07.24 | enouf | Mouse clicking == ! GUI |
| 14:07.27 | abrotman | ack! |
| 14:07.33 | enouf | hehe |
| 14:07.35 | abrotman | who would want to do that ? |
| 14:07.50 | Bhavesh | Kde has a guil control center? didn't know that |
| 14:07.55 | abrotman | kde and gnome both do |
| 14:07.56 | enouf | yep |
| 14:07.57 | d0uglas | enouf: you're forgetting gpm |
| 14:08.01 | eps | FernandoMM in many cases the default gui systems tools from the major GUI sets provide what you are asking. both gnome and kde ship with competent gui tools for these things now |
| 14:08.10 | Bhavesh | just kidding.. :) |
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| 14:08.16 | eps | hehe :P |
| 14:08.26 | enouf | d0uglas: true .. but haqrdly a control center acailable down there |
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| 14:08.35 | enouf | available* |
| 14:08.37 | d0uglas | ... well, not just gpm, mouse clicks can work ascii user interfaces through a terminal |
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| 14:08.49 | eps | I believe though if they are using sarge those gui tools will be lacking...which is a shame, etchs release should fix this |
| 14:08.51 | Daveman | :) |
| 14:09.03 | abrotman | eps: some of them are there |
| 14:09.05 | enouf | Bhavesh: no you're not .. we know your n00b :-p |
| 14:09.07 | keko_ | how to uninstall a program totally |
| 14:09.20 | Braindead | keko_: aptitude purge foo |
| 14:09.24 | Bhavesh | enouf: how'd you guess? *lowers his head with shame* :) |
| 14:09.24 | eps | though if some one is going to leave debian try to steer them towards a debian derivative, that way they will come back one day :) |
| 14:09.36 | d0uglas | enouf: hardly a control center in text mode? you can play quake with an ascii engine, said so on slashdot |
| 14:09.44 | FernandoMM | eps i can't see how can i change my ethernet ip address on KControl (example) |
| 14:09.47 | eps | d0uglas that was painful |
| 14:09.48 | FernandoMM | on kde 3.5 |
| 14:09.49 | enouf | ./ or /. |
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| 14:10.21 | d0uglas | enouf: ./? |
| 14:10.24 | abrotman | FernandoMM: i'm pretty sure you can in the gnome tools .. maybe ask #debian-kde |
| 14:10.25 | enouf | FernandoMM: enter your Router admin mode |
| 14:10.31 | eps | FernandoMM I haven't use kde's gui tools for over four years now (I jump into new kde every major release so I can see whats change and then I wander back to gnome) so I'm unfamiliar with it |
| 14:10.34 | keko_ | Braindead: not woking |
| 14:10.35 | enouf | ethtool .. or |
| 14:10.39 | eps | I just assumed that since gnome had it kde would have it |
| 14:10.46 | eps | or are they behind again? :P |
| 14:10.53 | Braindead | keko_: what exactly did you do? and what's the real problem |
| 14:10.57 | stew | keko_: you have to be more specific than "not working" |
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| 14:11.07 | keko_ | xfce4 i try to uninstall |
| 14:11.30 | keko_ | usually i use apt-get and dpkg fpr install remove things |
| 14:11.39 | urano2k6 | hi, somebody knows m23? |
| 14:11.43 | eps | though FernandoMM for example doing it in gnome is as simple as Desktop -> administration -> networking and going to the device and entering the address |
| 14:11.43 | Braindead | keko_: did you actually purge FOO ? |
| 14:11.57 | enouf | FernandoMM: there's something in ther for that -- there's KwifiManager and such .. but I don;t like GUI tools for that |
| 14:11.57 | eps | lol |
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| 14:12.05 | abrotman | urano2k6: what is m23 ? |
| 14:13.02 | eps | FernandoMM http://72.14.235.104/search?q=cache:TwQThaydpc8J:docs.kde.org/stable/en/kdeadmin/knetworkconf/knetworkconf.pdf+changing+ip+address+kde&hl=en&gl=au&ct=clnk&cd=6&client=firefox-a |
| 14:13.04 | d0uglas | FernandoMM: swscanner has a built in dhclient integration you know |
| 14:13.10 | eps | GRR linux isn't mac! |
| 14:13.15 | keko_ | Braindead: stfu n00b ill knife u in cs :) |
| 14:13.17 | urano2k6 | abrotman: m23 is used to migrate to SL based on debian |
| 14:13.17 | enouf | FernandoMM: K Control Center >> Internet >> Network settings |
| 14:13.22 | eps | some one should fix this bug |
| 14:13.26 | abrotman | SL ? |
| 14:13.33 | abrotman | urano2k6: spell the whole thing out |
| 14:13.34 | enouf | FernandoMM: cake |
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| 14:14.22 | Braindead | keko_: I don't play CS. still you hadn't told us the problem,you just told us "not work" |
| 14:14.44 | keko_ | Braindead: i want to uninstall xfce totally |
| 14:14.56 | d0uglas | according to sourceforge, m23 is a software distribution and management system designed for Debian Linux. m23 installs Debian or Ubuntu on hundreds of clients over an existing network infrastructure. It can manage (format, install, remove and update) software packages. |
| 14:14.58 | keko_ | xfce4 actually |
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| 14:15.15 | urano2k6 | abrotman: m23 is used to migrate to free software |
| 14:15.26 | keko_ | dpkg --purge remove dont remove it |
| 14:15.29 | eps | FernandoMM I can suggest that every day tasks (excluding setting up wifi easily) are all doable via gui's in both gnome and kde ...while they are more complicated than the command line new users may prefer it and it is possible |
| 14:15.30 | FernandoMM | Well, my point is that, Debian can do lots of great things, it's an excellent os, but if it do not try to make things simplier, more and more people will abandon it everyday. |
| 14:15.47 | enouf | keko_: dpkg -P |
| 14:15.49 | d0uglas | FernandoMM: are you trolling? |
| 14:15.54 | eps | FernandoMM explain your comment |
| 14:16.02 | enouf | keko_: or apt-get --purge remove |
| 14:16.09 | abrotman | urano2k6: what is SL ?> |
| 14:16.20 | d0uglas | because if you're gonna troll here, you'd better be really really funny like when i do it |
| 14:16.21 | eps | debian can do little to change how kde and gnome and xfce and blacbox and the rest choose to allow end users to change their system settings |
| 14:16.40 | FernandoMM | d0uglas: no my intenttion is not to troll |
| 14:16.52 | pelzi_ | blackbox is a wm, nothing to do with system settings. |
| 14:16.56 | enouf | FernandoMM: yeah .. don;t see d0uglas for the howto troll -- he stinks :-p |
| 14:17.24 | urano2k6 | abrotman: SL is Free Software, i wrote since the Caracas, Venezuela |
| 14:17.32 | eps | debian in reality is just an assortment of well interlinked packages of programs ... to suggest they should be taking control of GUI development of other projects is farcical |
| 14:17.33 | stew | FernandoMM: debian is all done by volunteers, if you think there is an area that needs improvement, please help improve it |
| 14:17.36 | abrotman | !es |
| 14:17.36 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:17.45 | abrotman | urano2k6: i've never heard of m23 |
| 14:17.49 | abrotman | stew: have you heard of m23 ? |
| 14:17.51 | stew | keko_: what happens when you try to remove xfce4 that makes you say it isn't working? do you get an error? |
| 14:18.00 | enouf | FernandoMM: 3 steps I just outlined .. but .. I'm on atleast 3.5.3 |
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| 14:18.04 | stew | abrotman: the bus line in nyc? |
| 14:18.04 | FernandoMM | ok, if you get a fresh debian etch iso, burn it, install and do apt-get install xserver-xorg. I can say that every 10 times i do this, 2 xorg have problems and doesn't start when i want. |
| 14:18.05 | eps | pelzi_ it is still a gui that you can overlay gui tools onto, a bad example granted (grabbed from thin air) but still a valid one |
| 14:18.12 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. something like that :) |
| 14:18.16 | keko_ | stew: i remove only configuration file :/ |
| 14:18.23 | pelzi_ | eps: but they have nothing to do with blacbox really. |
| 14:18.27 | keko_ | i do not remove it totally |
| 14:18.31 | FernandoMM | stew: yeah, i wan't to improve it. I just don't want to reinvent the whell. |
| 14:18.40 | stew | keko_: what is still there? |
| 14:18.41 | Ronin | FernandoMM: yes so? you can say that about most distros/os's though, theres no such thing as a pefect install |
| 14:18.44 | leOn_ | fellas ... i have this qlogic FC card, which loads some firmware uppon module insertion |
| 14:18.55 | eps | FernandoMM so, you do it the 'hard way' and then complain when you have to fix a simple problem? |
| 14:19.32 | eps | why don't you install etch via the installer with gui and the like from the main cd. I will assure you that on any nvidia based system it will work out of the box |
| 14:19.38 | leOn_ | happens that if i do a regular insmod/modprobe while the system is running normaly, it all works fine ... but on boot time, and although the module loads, it complains about not findind the firmware |
| 14:19.38 | keko_ | all xfce4 files... when i remove apt-get --purge remove xfce4 it remove only configuration file but not all program or what is it :) |
| 14:19.51 | eps | others may be able to assure similar for ati/sgi/sis/and others |
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| 14:20.22 | stew | leOn: where is your firmware located? |
| 14:20.29 | Ronin | eps: yep, ive got 3? different ati cards here, only one gave me a bit of hassle and that was easily solved |
| 14:20.50 | eps | though I have done over two hundred debian etch installs over the last six months on over sixty different systems (all nvidia) and not one has failed |
| 14:21.04 | Braindead | keko_: because you didn't use aptitude in the first place,when you installed xfce. xfce4 is just a metapackage with lots of depends. now they're orphan dependencies,clean up carfully with deborphan and start using aptitude instead of apt-get |
| 14:21.10 | Braindead | !tell keko_ about aptitude |
| 14:21.14 | Braindead | !tell keko_ about deborphan |
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| 14:21.21 | eps | Ronin I'm told ati works out of the box by a mate of mine...I still say he is a traitor for buying ati though :P |
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| 14:21.33 | Ronin | heh |
| 14:21.33 | enouf | leOn: try arranging the module load order within /etc/modules |
| 14:21.57 | FernandoMM | eps how are you installing nvidia driver on Debian Etch? |
| 14:21.58 | GoAuLd | in what deb package comes kdesu? |
| 14:22.03 | enouf | leOn: and use modprobe not insmod |
| 14:22.11 | tarzeau | eps: nvidia works out of the box too, here |
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| 14:22.18 | tarzeau | eps: i use www.linuks.mine.nu/nvidia/nvidia-driver/ |
| 14:22.22 | tarzeau | without the / at the end |
| 14:22.27 | eps | FernandoMM I suggest that you are unfairly judging debian based on your own mistakes and inexperience and that you must also accept that debian will always be losing and gaining users based on its advantages and disadvantages as seen by different groups of people |
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| 14:22.41 | eps | FernandoMM I said out of the box, using the nv driver |
| 14:22.55 | keko_ | Braindead: allraight i reinstall dhis from begin :) |
| 14:22.56 | tarzeau | eps: out of the box can also be vesa |
| 14:23.06 | tarzeau | eps: and it can be unusable slow |
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| 14:23.14 | eps | for systems that require 3d accel (or the screen saver going smoothly) I install the nvidia drivers |
| 14:23.16 | stew | keko_: what is still on your system that makes you say that removing xfce4 didn't work? |
| 14:23.28 | eps | tarzeau any reason you are telling me what I know? |
| 14:23.48 | Braindead | stew: all the xfce4 package dependencies... |
| 14:23.49 | enouf | !tell GoAuLd about search |
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| 14:24.10 | enouf | GoAuLd: see apt-file references |
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| 14:24.27 | FernandoMM | eps well, i have a three years old debian system installed. So its not based on my mistakes but based on the new users that i know and have problems with debian (even those who come from a distro like ubuntu and already have some experience with linux) |
| 14:24.36 | enouf | GoAuLd: apt-file search kdesu |
| 14:24.40 | leOn | hello all |
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| 14:24.52 | tarzeau | eps: look you said debian takes out of the box nv. and it just doesn't |
| 14:24.55 | eps | FernandoMM if they are using ubuntu and coming to debian and find it to hard they should go back |
| 14:25.00 | GoAuLd | enouf thanks |
| 14:25.03 | tarzeau | eps: it sometimes takes nv and sometimes vesa. and some don't work with nv |
| 14:25.14 | tarzeau | eps: ok? grasp it? why are you attacking me? you are asking for help |
| 14:25.15 | enouf | GoAuLd: no prob |
| 14:25.38 | eps | tarzeau I did not ask for help, and you are just confusing the person who I am talking too |
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| 14:26.25 | tarzeau | eps: great and i've also installed the same amount of computers like you, and had no problems either |
| 14:26.43 | stew | leOn: where are your firmware files located? |
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| 14:27.45 | eps | FernandoMM length of time that you run linux for does not suggest how well you know how to use it. I've been using linux for...what...erm, since 2002 or so, and I still have limited knowledge yet I work with linux, develop on it, and use it at home |
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| 14:28.45 | eps | so short story shorter, just because you don't know how to do it doesn't mean it doesn't exist and isn't easy to learn as a newbie linux user |
| 14:28.56 | leOn | stew: /lib/firmware |
| 14:28.58 | FernandoMM | eps i know, i'm just trying to justify why i have done those critics to debian. |
| 14:29.20 | leOn | stew: if i issue modprobe or insmod after the system gets booted, it works fine |
| 14:29.45 | leOn | i have one other system where this is working like a charm |
| 14:29.50 | stew | leOn: what version of debian? |
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| 14:30.07 | d0uglas | FernandoMM: you should direct all specific criticisms to http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting not this irc channel |
| 14:30.13 | leOn | but it's i386 ... this one is an amd64 machine |
| 14:30.37 | leOn | stew: sarge with kernel 2.6.18 from unstable |
| 14:30.41 | eps | FernandoMM I suggest firstly that you make sure your criticisms are valid (for example I cannot think of a simple task that gnome cannot assist with graphically) and secondly assign blame where it is due (it isn't upto debian to push gui tools in the major wm's) and finally (or thirdly) raise your concerns in the right place which in this case would be mailing lists of the respective projects |
| 14:31.03 | syntaxx | what is the software for freetype 1.x and freetype 2 support for php? |
| 14:31.07 | eps | and the day that debian becomes a newbies distro is the day I quit linux :P |
| 14:31.22 | enouf | FernandoMM: it's GNU/Linux .. and Debian is all about choice |
| 14:31.53 | leOn | i have even added a /lib/firmware dir with the fw files in it to the initrd image, in case it was loading the module before mounting the rootfs, but the result was the same |
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| 14:32.08 | eps | anyway, time for sleep :) |
| 14:32.10 | eps | later all |
| 14:32.18 | stew | leOn: does it work with an older kernel? |
| 14:32.46 | FernandoMM | eps: Ok, that was my mistake, i tought here was the right place to discuss this, i'll search the right mailing list. Thanks for your answers and patience. |
| 14:32.50 | leOn | i'm not sure you're understanding ... it DOES work |
| 14:32.55 | stew | FernandoMM: i missed part of the conversation, what are you saying needs improvement? |
| 14:33.03 | stew | FernandoMM: network configuration in KDE? or soemthing else? |
| 14:33.06 | leOn | it just doesn't load properly in the boot process |
| 14:33.26 | FernandoMM | stew: i was asking if there is a control center to debian |
| 14:33.29 | stew | leOn: yeah. i understand. does it work properly in the boot process when you use an older kernel? |
| 14:33.32 | leOn | if i load the module AFTER the complete boot, the card works fine |
| 14:33.33 | eps | FernandoMM discuss yes, and unfortunately you didn't find many people who agreed with you, though push for change no |
| 14:33.37 | stew | FernandoMM: to control what? |
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| 14:34.05 | leOn | stew: nop, i've tried 2.6.8 from sarge, and a 2.6.17 kernel ... the result is always the same |
| 14:34.19 | stew | leOn: which initrd creator did you use for 2.6.18? |
| 14:34.24 | FernandoMM | stew: everything on debian, network conf, video conf, sound conf, printers. Something like yast is for the distro Suse. |
| 14:34.39 | leOn | tried both mkinitramfs and yaird |
| 14:34.55 | toom | hi, anybody knows where I can find packages of php5 modules version 5.1.6-3 (which work with apache 2.0) |
| 14:34.58 | stew | leOn: what are you using to load the firmware? hotplug? |
| 14:35.08 | tarzeau | toom: packages.debian.org doesn't have them? |
| 14:35.09 | leOn | udev is taking care of that |
| 14:35.30 | toom | tarzeau: no. Only 5.1.6-4 are available |
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| 14:35.50 | tarzeau | toom: and why can you not use -4 ? |
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| 14:35.56 | stew | leOn: what version of udev are you running? |
| 14:36.08 | zly | FernandoMM: actually, some people are working on bringing yast to debian |
| 14:36.28 | leOn | stew: 0.100-1~bpo.1 ... it's from backports |
| 14:36.28 | stew | zly: is there a wnpp bug filed? |
| 14:36.30 | eps | OH GOOD GOD :( |
| 14:36.33 | FernandoMM | zly: i have just seen their site, the project is stopped because the developers doesn't have time to continue it |
| 14:36.34 | toom | tarzeau: because -4 required an upgrade of libapache2-mod-php5 which requiest apache 2.2 |
| 14:36.46 | stew | FernandoMM: do you have time? |
| 14:36.47 | toom | tarzeau: and php5 doesn't work with apache 2.2 |
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| 14:36.50 | psychoslave | Hello. |
| 14:37.01 | tarzeau | toom: hehe, i find this hilarious and funny at the same time |
| 14:37.20 | hackeron | hey guys, anyone know how to not allow certain users to login to a server at particular times like between 8pm and 9am? |
| 14:37.21 | tarzeau | eps: didn't you want to go to bed? |
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| 14:37.25 | FernandoMM | stew: maybe 1 hour/day |
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| 14:37.35 | tarzeau | hackeron: come on, why? |
| 14:37.40 | zly | FernandoMM: i see, but still, people at suse is trying to make yast more friendly towards other distros |
| 14:37.59 | hackeron | tarzeau: not my idea :( |
| 14:38.02 | tarzeau | zly: and then? |
| 14:38.15 | tarzeau | zly: how can you even think anyone else but suse guys want to use it? |
| 14:38.25 | zly | tarzeau: i'm a suse guy |
| 14:38.28 | zly | ;-) |
| 14:38.31 | tarzeau | hackeron: and you can't do it? try www.debian.org/consultants |
| 14:38.39 | tarzeau | zly: well nice for you |
| 14:38.45 | eps | tarzeau indeed |
| 14:38.48 | eps | gone :) |
| 14:38.50 | tarzeau | zly: i don't think anyone will use it, because it just doesn't work |
| 14:38.59 | stew | FernandoMM: maybe its more apropriate to look at how ubuntu / kubuntu /xubuntu do this sort of thing and see if whatever they are using is available for debian or could be used in debian |
| 14:39.12 | hackeron | tarzeau: I can do it, I was thinking a cronjob, but looking for a better solution |
| 14:39.20 | zly | tarzeau: not yet, thats why it's called development right ? to make something work ? |
| 14:39.28 | tarzeau | zly: suse yast? |
| 14:39.31 | stew | leOn: you are positive that its loading firmware from /lib/firmware and not somewhere in /usr? |
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| 14:40.28 | wols_ | tarzeau: the only goal can be to get a "distro ecosystem" what Debian has in masses, and RH/Fedora in parts. |
| 14:40.52 | wols_ | so tha Suse can have other distros "based on SuSE" like debian already has |
| 14:40.53 | stew | !dbugs 238969 |
| 14:40.57 | dpkg | DONE:#238969:W[wnpp] ITP: yast -- SUSE's system administration tool; Fri, 19 Mar 2004 22:33:05 UTC |
| 14:41.03 | stew | never got any real activity though ^^^ |
| 14:41.05 | tarzeau | wols_: who would want that? |
| 14:41.19 | wols_ | the only way right now to get a "suse like distro" is suse itself |
| 14:41.21 | zly | tarzeau: wether yast works on suse is not something i wish to the debian channel, but bringing suse to other distro's (as an option), i personally does not see as a bad thing |
| 14:41.22 | cydork | http://yast4debian.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 14:41.24 | tarzeau | stew: i had seen that yes |
| 14:41.31 | zly | *bringing yast* |
| 14:41.31 | cydork | that's the site.. :P |
| 14:41.39 | tarzeau | zly: i do |
| 14:41.41 | leOn | stew: don't think that's the issue here ... if so, howcome does it work in a regular modprobe after system boot? |
| 14:41.43 | wols_ | tarzeau: the marketing guys and shareholders at novell. SuSE isn't the golden cash cow they dreamt of IIRC |
| 14:41.44 | FernandoMM | stew: actually i could not express my opinio in a proper way. I have already *tried* to use Ubuntu but i found out that it actually use lots of lots of resources. Debian doesn't use so much resources and i tought, why can't it have a control center and something like automatix. So this would be something like a fast, user-friendly so. |
| 14:41.49 | tarzeau | zly: i personally think that's a bad thing |
| 14:41.51 | d0uglas | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Debian#Debian_package_life_cycle |
| 14:42.02 | leOn | the module always goes for the fw in the place |
| 14:42.04 | tarzeau | wols_: no way, nobody expected it to be |
| 14:42.09 | leOn | the module always goes for the fw in the same place |
| 14:42.16 | stew | leOn: well that situation would happen if firmware was not on the / partition (which is why the recommended firmware location moved from /usr/lib to /lib) |
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| 14:42.42 | wols_ | if one doesn't expect success in the future, why would one buy the product? |
| 14:42.49 | wols_ | as a future owner, not future user I mean |
| 14:43.01 | tarzeau | wols_: i can tell you |
| 14:43.04 | tarzeau | wols_: they just don't know |
| 14:43.10 | tarzeau | wols_: and didn't do their homework |
| 14:43.11 | stew | FernandoMM: did ubuntu provide a "control center" similar to what you are desiring? |
| 14:43.12 | wols_ | who doesn't know what? |
| 14:43.21 | tarzeau | wols_: it's there in the shop, so it can't be bad |
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| 14:43.26 | tarzeau | wols_: the buyers |
| 14:43.34 | wols_ | ah, you mean "our company is failing we need something new. QUICK!"? |
| 14:43.42 | d0uglas | chill with that enter button tarzeau |
| 14:43.43 | tarzeau | wols_: like that |
| 14:43.50 | Bhavesh | correct me if i am wrong, but doesn't ALL distributions who provide similar software, just packaged differently? |
| 14:43.50 | EEap | I set all my apt sources to unstable, but the 'security debian' line, doesnt have the unstable...is it right? |
| 14:44.01 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: no |
| 14:44.08 | Bhavesh | oh |
| 14:44.08 | wols_ | EEap: there is no security for unstable. you can comment it out |
| 14:44.08 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: not lesbian debian |
| 14:44.10 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: some people change software in major bad ways |
| 14:44.21 | leOn | stew: /lib and /usr both live in the root partition in this case |
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| 14:44.34 | stew | EEap: there is an empty repository there, but unstable does not in fact get security updates |
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| 14:44.45 | wols_ | tarzeau: and as usual, "bad" is simply in the eye of the beholder |
| 14:44.46 | Bhavesh | tarzeau: i stand corrected then i thought you could install pretty much same software in all if not most dist. just they are packaged different |
| 14:44.47 | cydork | EEap: you should not use unstable if you have to ask :P. |
| 14:44.58 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: they have that? where do i download it?! :) |
| 14:45.09 | wols_ | Bhavesh: generally, it applies to Free software yes |
| 14:45.15 | FernandoMM | stew: i'm not desiring it. I already have fully working Debian system. I'm just telling that, in my opinion, user would be happier with something like automatix, that installs programs/drivers in a really quickier/simplier way. |
| 14:45.25 | wols_ | howevre, some (debian) ahve more packages than others (knoppix) |
| 14:45.26 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: no, if you do, the software just doesn't work. so no you can not pretty much install same software |
| 14:45.33 | Bhavesh | wols_: i should have mentioned that.. |
| 14:45.41 | wols_ | and as you know, getting stuff from other distros is dicey to make work |
| 14:45.50 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: http://www.lesbian.mine.nu/ |
| 14:45.51 | wols_ | some use BSD init (slack) some use sysv (all others) |
| 14:45.57 | wols_ | some use xinetd, some use inetd, etc |
| 14:46.05 | Bhavesh | ahem let me make a correction. i meant getting similar software according to the distro you are using |
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| 14:46.38 | Bhavesh | get redhat rpm, get ubuntu .deb for ubuntu, get debian .debs for debian etc |
| 14:46.39 | Spec | What's the difference between a netinst cd and a business card cd? (etch) |
| 14:46.40 | stew | FernandoMM: if there is some piece of software which you feel should be included with debian, which isn't, then file an RFP. if you think its something that installer should be doing, but isn't, write to http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 14:46.41 | leOn | stew: btw ... which initrd builder do you recommend? initramfs or yaird ? |
| 14:46.43 | wols_ | tarzeau: if it compiles on linux, I can install it on debian (or deadrat, or suse). the effort might be higher, but I WILL be able to install it |
| 14:46.47 | stew | leOn: initramfs |
| 14:47.01 | tarzeau | wols_: yes you. so will i |
| 14:47.13 | tarzeau | wols_: but. with any software? anyone? the major 80 %? certainly not so |
| 14:47.14 | d0uglas | Spec: business card isos are ultra mini net installers, about 50 megs |
| 14:47.20 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 14:47.23 | wols_ | tarzeau: no certainly not |
| 14:47.27 | Spec | wouldn't you always want the business card iso then? :) |
| 14:47.31 | tarzeau | wols_: that's my point |
| 14:47.42 | tarzeau | Spec: not with turkish internet |
| 14:47.47 | wols_ | the majority 80% can't even install linux (note I said can't, not just won't) |
| 14:47.48 | Spec | hah |
| 14:48.03 | Spec | wols_: where'd you pull taht number from? |
| 14:48.21 | Spec | the ass? most people can click "next... next... next..."? |
| 14:48.26 | wols_ | where all such numbers are pulled. I won't mention where since we're in polite company |
| 14:48.44 | d0uglas | Spec: well, if you're setting up machines with slow access, you might want more on the cd.. maybe not an entire cd's worth, which is why you could go in between with a normal larger net installer than the business cards |
| 14:48.49 | wols_ | Spec: most people can neither install linux nor windows for that matter |
| 14:48.57 | grendal_prime | !dpkg wgafom |
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| 14:49.01 | wols_ | and I'm very generous when I say it's only 80%. I think it's higher |
| 14:49.06 | tarzeau | wols_: nor mac os x |
| 14:49.15 | tarzeau | wols_: definitely higher |
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| 14:49.30 | grendal_prime | where is the link to the givofkmeter? |
| 14:49.30 | Spec | how hard is it to put in a cd and press a button and then click next a bunch of times? |
| 14:49.37 | grendal_prime | hehehe |
| 14:49.38 | cydork | tarzeau: na mac os has stupidest installer ever ! |
| 14:49.42 | tarzeau | Spec: very hard |
| 14:49.43 | Crysis | liable ? |
| 14:49.56 | tarzeau | cydork: yet many people can not install it from scratch |
| 14:50.01 | wols_ | I'd say if the CDs people put in their drives wouldn't have autostart, certainly 80% couldn't install the shiny new CD with that paintprogram from the supermarket or wherever they bought it |
| 14:50.05 | d0uglas | Spec: you're forgetting all the I agrees.. sometimes they make you scroll all the way down before you can hit next. insane. |
| 14:51.01 | cydork | wols_: that's true! |
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| 14:51.53 | Crysis | I have a core 2 duo E6000 and asus P5W DH Deluxe with SATA II HD Diamondmax 10 and 1 go of RAM DDRII PC-4300 but when I am trying to install ETCH that is slow... For launch the partition tool it take 45 minuts... |
| 14:52.42 | Spec | so basically when linux installs itself will be the point the 'masses' can all start using it |
| 14:53.01 | Spec | but then we'd have a bunch of different distros installing themselves everywhere. |
| 14:53.13 | enouf | FernandoMM: are you familiar with the many dpkg-reconfigure pkgs available? the deb conffiles make it quite easy to setup/maintain/reconfigure many tedious (or otherwise daunting-for-a-new-user) tasks - albeit in a ncurses/curses TUI mode - but that allows for high customization |
| 14:53.17 | cydork | Spec: linux already has that! it's called live cds :) |
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| 14:54.07 | rosen37_ | Hello |
| 14:54.08 | enouf | nods in agreement with wols_ autostart comment |
| 14:54.15 | rosen37_ | Is it possible to remove an ssh access for a useR? |
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| 14:54.51 | cydork | rosen37_: check /etc/nologin |
| 14:55.09 | wols_ | or set the shell for the user to /bin/false |
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| 14:56.24 | rosen37_ | cydork: I want to add an ftp account for a website on my machine , and I see with proftpd that a user ftp need to be a user linux (so ssh too) I want to remove the ssh access for these users, I already try nologin but ftp acccess was denied too |
| 14:56.28 | Con-fuze-ed | any help |
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| 14:56.38 | enouf | Crysis: try a newer unofficial installer - see http://kmuto.jp/debian/d-i/ |
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| 14:57.46 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_: I'm pretty sure you can restrict SSH to a group... then just make those who need ssh members of that group... anyone who isn't cannot ssh |
| 14:59.04 | Crysis | enouf yes but it is not official :/ |
| 14:59.31 | stew | Con-fuze-ed: "echo -n 20 seconds ; sleep 1 ; echo -n ^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H19 seconds; sleep 1"... you can input the ^H on the command line by typing ctrl-v ctrl-h |
| 14:59.40 | enouf | Crysis: I know .. but that hardware is very new .. read the pages there .. perhaps a clue to help during installation |
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| 14:59.55 | wols_ | cydork: two hoices: debian with "unofficial" kernel, or no debian with your hardware |
| 14:59.58 | wols_ | your choice |
| 15:00.03 | wols_ | Crysis: |
| 15:00.09 | stew | rosen37_: there is a "RequireValidShell" directive for the proftpd config that you need to set to false |
| 15:00.09 | Crysis | no debian so I think |
| 15:00.38 | Con-fuze-ed | stew: thanks ... so it's -n that echos on the previous line? |
| 15:00.45 | wols_ | Crysis: wait til etch then. that should do it. but why you don't want a debian sue to that kernel thing is beyond me |
| 15:00.57 | wols_ | s/sue/due |
| 15:01.10 | stew | Con-fuze-ed: -n means "don't go to the next line after echo" |
| 15:01.43 | Crysis | wols_ because it is unofficial and you said me ETCH will work with my config.. |
| 15:01.50 | Con-fuze-ed | stew: just saw that... so it's ^H that backs it up a character... is there one that backs it up an entire line? |
| 15:01.55 | cahoot | stew, why not ctl-U? |
| 15:02.07 | enouf | Crysis: like manually loading the libata / ide PATA driver on Alt-F2 .. or maybe your BIOS settings need adjustment |
| 15:02.16 | wols_ | etch date is decembre soonest, but many people are skeptical if they can manage it in that time |
| 15:02.36 | Con-fuze-ed | cahoot: what's that do... entire line? |
| 15:02.52 | rosen37_ | stew: thx this is working great , so I put user to bin/nologin and RequireValidShell to off and the user can log it to the ftp |
| 15:02.53 | stew | cahoot: becusae that doesn't work |
| 15:03.07 | Crysis | enouf what is different with backported images ? |
| 15:03.11 | cahoot | Con-fuze-ed, says so - but obviously not correct answer |
| 15:03.17 | stew | Con-fuze-ed: i don't think so, i think at that point you have to use ANSI escape codes |
| 15:03.20 | Crysis | I will have a unofficial version with maybe more bugs... |
| 15:03.39 | rosen37_ | where can i find the different thing, false , nologin , bash, ksh...? |
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| 15:03.54 | rosen37_ | someone know a link to explain the different options existing? |
| 15:04.21 | stew | cahoot: at least "echo -n foo ; echo -n ^H^H^H ; echo bar" works, but "echo -n foo ; echo -n ^U ; echo bar" doesn't |
| 15:04.44 | cahoot | stew, ok was just wondering |
| 15:04.51 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_: pretty sure you set their shell to /bin/false |
| 15:05.10 | enouf | Crysis: not as new/cutting edge .. please look around kenshi's site awhile and read .. he's a Deb devel -- bpo is backported images for various diff issues - but I think it's still at 2.6.16 kerne; |
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| 15:05.17 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_; it's the last entry on thier line in /etc/passwd |
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| 15:05.44 | rosen37_ | Con-fuze-ed: yes of course why? I put it to nologin |
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| 15:06.07 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_: a user with no shell cannot ssh |
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| 15:06.23 | rosen37_ | Con-fuze-ed: yes this is I wanted and it works |
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| 15:06.49 | rosen37_ | Con-fuze-ed: the user cannot log in in ssh but can in ftp |
| 15:07.22 | rosen37_ | I think your name is OK for the circonstancie |
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| 15:08.03 | leOn | stew: apparently yaird solved my problem, i just added the module in the MODULE section and it started to boot up ok .... i'll have to extract the new initrd file to see exactly what the differences are |
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| 15:08.43 | Crysis | enouf what backported image need I so ? |
| 15:08.44 | leOn | but one of the main diffs i saw right away was a mere 1.5M against almost 6M with mkinitramfs |
| 15:09.05 | enouf | Crysis: have a look around anyway .. /msg dpkg backports .. um backports is ALSO unofficial |
| 15:09.31 | Crysis | enouf on your website wich iso need I ? |
| 15:09.49 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_; that I am not sure of... I would probably use groups if I were doing it... in your /etc/ssh/sshd_config you can specify an allow for users and groups... create a sshers group and only allow that group to ssh in. see: http://man-wiki.net/index.php/5:sshd_config |
| 15:09.57 | enouf | Crysis: oh ,, sorry .. it's NOT my website .. hehe |
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| 15:10.09 | enouf | Crysis: hold a sec .. which CPU ? .. |
| 15:10.38 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_: you can also do the same for FTP if you want to restrict who can FTP into your server |
| 15:11.12 | rosen37_ | Con-fuze-ed: oh great I didn t know this option in ssh |
| 15:11.14 | enouf | Crysis: try the latest http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 15:11.25 | Crysis | enouf core 2 duo E6600 |
| 15:11.29 | leOn | stew: btw ... dunno if you use it ... but i only managed to get multipath working with the kernel/multipath-tools/dmsetup/etc tools from unstable |
| 15:11.50 | Crysis | enouf Timely I'd like to have a kernel 2.6.18 image for myself also (I bought Core2Duo machine. It has VIA VT8237A SATA controller isn't supported before 2.6.18), I made it. |
| 15:11.50 | Crysis | ^^ |
| 15:11.54 | rosen37_ | Con-fuze-ed: but /bin/nologin is ok too this is working properly. |
| 15:12.19 | rosen37_ | Con-fuze-ed: but your idea could be a workaround :) |
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| 15:13.12 | Crysis | enouf but after downloading this I will have a normal debian ? |
| 15:13.34 | tarzeau | is this dfsg compliant? http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~guenther/svgs/gnustep-orca/ |
| 15:13.40 | tarzeau | i mean http://www.unix-ag.uni-kl.de/~guenther/svgs/gnustep-orca/README |
| 15:14.04 | enouf | Crysis: as normal as you can have ..yes .. be sure to read all about any gotcha.. |
| 15:14.11 | cbr | how can i make glxgears display FPS in debian? |
| 15:14.19 | Crysis | enouf where C=can I read this |
| 15:14.43 | tarzeau | cbr: just start it? |
| 15:14.47 | enouf | Crysis: someone here yesterday or day before had an ich8/i965 Chipset .. and the new installer there worked for him/her |
| 15:15.16 | cbr | tarzeau: no.. the X devs disabled it because it gives u false impression like glxgears is a benchmark or smth |
| 15:15.19 | craigevil | cbr: glxgears -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark |
| 15:15.28 | abrotman | uhm .. glxgears -printfps |
| 15:15.39 | craigevil | or ^ |
| 15:15.42 | enouf | Crysis: at that site .. the Details |
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| 15:16.09 | Con-fuze-ed | rosen37_: my way is good if you need to give users a shell but not allow them ssh access... for example they can log in locally but not remotely. |
| 15:16.11 | cbr | oh printfps.. i tried showfps |
| 15:16.13 | cbr | thanks |
| 15:16.21 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:16.34 | Crysis | enouf I take 1008.iso or 1011.iso ? I have a i975x chipset |
| 15:16.40 | enouf | Crysis: I say that because bpo has their own instructs and you nee to follow their instructs for adding their repos to sources.list and such -- please see dpkg |
| 15:16.46 | azeem | d0uglas: is this a package in unstable? |
| 15:16.59 | enouf | !tell Crysis about msg the bot |
| 15:17.14 | d0uglas | azeem: yeah i'm running unstable |
| 15:17.15 | enouf | Crysis: so /msg dpkg backports |
| 15:17.24 | enouf | Crysis: for one |
| 15:17.24 | x_link | Hi enouf ! |
| 15:17.28 | azeem | d0uglas: check the BTS, and file a bug if there is none already |
| 15:17.31 | enouf | x_link: yo yo ma |
| 15:17.49 | d0uglas | i believe libc62.3.6.ds1-6 is installed |
| 15:17.53 | d0uglas | azeem: all right |
| 15:17.57 | x_link | enouf: =) I will go to my brothers best friend and give him the computer, he has a computer store. |
| 15:17.58 | cbr | d0uglas: i get the same |
| 15:18.01 | Crysis | enouf I take backport or kmuto ? |
| 15:18.09 | enouf | Crysis: i'd try the latest - the lionk I posted eaerlier |
| 15:18.12 | d0uglas | cbr: so it's no big whoop? |
| 15:18.19 | x_link | enouf: Everything works now, except for when I boot I don't get that BIOS beep and I don't get anything on my screen. |
| 15:18.22 | enouf | Crysis: kmuto |
| 15:18.38 | cbr | d0uglas: it's probably something general and is going to be fixed in the next few days |
| 15:18.41 | cbr | no worries |
| 15:18.47 | Crysis | ok enouf I'll try but is it possibl to there is more bug with this kernel ? |
| 15:18.47 | d0uglas | ok thanks |
| 15:18.49 | enouf | x_link: Not any Beep? did you ever get one (or more)? |
| 15:19.13 | x_link | enouf: When you boot you get that beep, if you understand what i mean ? |
| 15:19.36 | enouf | Crysis: there may be some issues .. please go read -- and please help further the cause by providing kenshi with any detailed info |
| 15:19.47 | x_link | The hdd is working, the CPU fan is spinning, the power light is green. But I don't get anything on my display |
| 15:20.01 | enouf | x_link: Yes .. the usual one POST complettion beep |
| 15:20.13 | x_link | I plugged in the M/B SW, Power Led+, Power button wire etc. |
| 15:20.21 | abrotman | x_link: ask #hardware |
| 15:20.23 | x_link | enouf: yes, |
| 15:20.32 | abrotman | enouf: go with him |
| 15:20.38 | x_link | abrotman: They have helped me. |
| 15:20.41 | enouf | x_link: did you Boot from a Debian ISO CD ? |
| 15:20.43 | tarzeau | x_link: tried the right vga output? |
| 15:20.48 | x_link | abrotman: Sorry, I will not talk more about that computer |
| 15:20.49 | abrotman | x_link: so get more help |
| 15:20.50 | enouf | abrotman: yes dear |
| 15:20.55 | abrotman | you two have been doing this for days :) |
| 15:21.03 | x_link | tarzeau: VGA ? |
| 15:21.11 | tarzeau | x_link: i've seen computers with 3 vga connectors |
| 15:21.16 | enouf | you're a pita sometimes abrotman |
| 15:21.16 | x_link | abrotman: I understand, I'm sorry. I will not ask anything more. |
| 15:21.18 | x_link | I promise |
| 15:21.24 | beardy | x_link: Your graphics card may be broken/not fitted properly or such. |
| 15:21.35 | enouf | x_link: ask away - and answer the questions before you |
| 15:21.35 | abrotman | enouf: aren't i though ... |
| 15:21.38 | x_link | beardy: I have 3 video cards in this machine |
| 15:21.41 | enouf | :-p |
| 15:21.43 | abrotman | #hardware! |
| 15:21.46 | d0uglas | Three video cards?! |
| 15:21.47 | x_link | One is integraded. |
| 15:21.47 | beardy | x_link: Why? |
| 15:21.53 | x_link | 2 |
| 15:21.54 | x_link | sorry |
| 15:21.55 | x_link | lol |
| 15:22.03 | Pryon | His house is cold |
| 15:22.03 | Crysis | enouf but there are shell provider who install debian with a core 2 duo they use so backported ? |
| 15:22.03 | abrotman | or go to #x_link |
| 15:22.04 | enouf | x_link: /join #hardware |
| 15:22.07 | x_link | Can somebody talk to me in PM ? |
| 15:22.12 | x_link | enouf: Okey |
| 15:22.15 | x_link | abrotman: Sorry ! |
| 15:22.21 | x_link | enouf: I'm already there |
| 15:22.23 | abrotman | just create #x_linkcantfigureouthardware |
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| 15:22.43 | d0uglas | that channel's empty, try later in the day |
| 15:22.59 | beardy | x_link: Remove the graphics card, use the internal one, does it work? |
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| 15:23.19 | x_link | beardy: Nope |
| 15:23.24 | x_link | Already tried it |
| 15:23.36 | enouf | Crysis: again Crysis -- I'm not sure.. but if a 2.6.16 kerenl can do it (support for the Chipset and peripherals), then yes |
| 15:23.45 | beardy | x_link: Have you disabled the internal one in your bios? |
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| 15:24.03 | x_link | beardy: Join #hardware please |
| 15:24.03 | enouf | Crysis: the newer the kerenl the better the support for bleeding edge hardware |
| 15:24.07 | beardy | abrotman: Why, I just got here.. |
| 15:24.17 | x_link | beardy: So I can talk with you |
| 15:24.40 | beardy | hmpf.. |
| 15:24.41 | Crysis | enouf for me etch dont work |
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| 15:25.27 | enouf | Crysis: ahh .. right Etch uses 2.6.16 .. Backports is usually for a Sarge installation on New Hardwrae' |
| 15:25.33 | Crysis | enouf I tryed with business card and netinst it is the same problem and the md5sum is good |
| 15:25.51 | Crysis | so enouf what need I to do ? |
| 15:25.52 | enouf | Crysis: or any major app support that they've backported for use with Sarge?Stable |
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| 15:26.21 | Crysis | enouf what need I to install so |
| 15:26.34 | enouf | Crysis: please ... --> http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2618.htm |
| 15:26.56 | Crysis | ok I install it :p but you said another thing I was lost sorry first install of debian |
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| 15:27.18 | enouf | Crysis: http://mirror.home-dn.net/d-i/2.6.18/sarge-custom-1011.iso |
| 15:27.34 | Crysis | ôÖ 1011 or 1008 ? |
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| 15:27.38 | enouf | Crysis: me too .. |
| 15:27.44 | enouf | 1011 |
| 15:27.58 | Crysis | enouf lol my cd was burned :'( |
| 15:28.27 | enouf | Crysis: so try that then :-) |
| 15:28.55 | Crysis | lol enouf I am deleting the CD and try 1011 ^^ |
| 15:29.05 | enouf | ok |
| 15:29.27 | Crysis | enouf so 1011 or 1008 for first try ? |
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| 15:29.41 | trand | join #ubuntu |
| 15:29.48 | trand | sorry |
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| 15:32.09 | calamari | hi |
| 15:32.18 | d0uglas | hi calarmari.. |
| 15:32.27 | enouf | Crysis: tyr them BOTH at the same time :-p |
| 15:32.48 | Crysis | XD enouf whule download I try 1008 after 1011 ^^ |
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| 15:33.03 | minerale | err, sorry |
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| 15:33.15 | beardy | !phillysmite abrotman |
| 15:33.20 | abrotman | yea yeah |
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| 15:33.24 | calamari | just wanted to stop in and say that Debian is just what I was looking for.. runs apache great on this ancient computer and doesn't have any gui stuff getting in the way |
| 15:33.29 | calamari | so, thanks :) |
| 15:33.36 | enouf | Crysis: all good |
| 15:33.40 | cast | don't forget to donate! |
| 15:33.52 | Crysis | lol enouf its faster now |
| 15:34.14 | enouf | calamari: I'll take one large order of fried .. marinara on the side please |
| 15:34.18 | Braindead | join #dolphinsex |
| 15:34.20 | Braindead | sorry |
| 15:34.23 | calamari | lol |
| 15:34.23 | Crysis | LOL 2 minuts enouf ! Before that taked 15 XD |
| 15:34.53 | enouf | Crysis: Faster France Server ... as Kenshi says DIRECTLY on his site |
| 15:35.10 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 15:35.11 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 15:35.25 | Crysis | enouf i speak of the install :p I am now on the partition tool XD Last time it taked 1hour30 for go partiton tool XD |
| 15:35.31 | cydork | enouf: hehe :P |
| 15:36.27 | enouf | Crysis: even MUCHO MAS excellente ! .. congrats |
| 15:36.30 | enouf | :-) |
| 15:36.34 | Crysis | ;p |
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| 15:36.53 | enouf | cydork: yep .. sometimes I'm amazed .. |
| 15:37.03 | Crysis | enouf can I install debian and after windows ? If I make the partitions good ? |
| 15:37.11 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 15:37.26 | enouf | Crysis: sure .. but that's about where I stop support .. hehe |
| 15:37.27 | pelzi_ | but you have to re-install grub because windows overwrites it. |
| 15:37.53 | Crysis | oken |
| 15:37.57 | pelzi_ | i. e. install windows immediately once you get the debian to boot in case you can't fix it ;) |
| 15:38.10 | Crysis | enouf ^^ do ou think 60 go ins enough for begin debian ? |
| 15:38.10 | enouf | Crysis: best to put windows on a separate phsyical HDD if you have another |
| 15:38.26 | enouf | Crysis: what? |
| 15:38.37 | pelzi_ | as I said, 5 gigs is enough for about any debian setup. |
| 15:38.43 | enouf | GB ?? .. plenty |
| 15:38.47 | pelzi_ | unless you plan to install games. |
| 15:39.09 | Crysis | pelzi_ what is grub ? OR maybe I install windows and I create a free space and after I install debian ? |
| 15:39.20 | Crysis | enouf yes GB |
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| 15:39.25 | d0uglas | !grub |
| 15:39.26 | dpkg | methinks grub is the Grand Unified Bootloader at http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/ . It's an extremely powerful boot loader that can boot a lot of OSes, understands a lot of filesystems including reiserfs.. Go here for an excellent step-by-step description of setting up grub on your system: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=4622, or a distributed internet crawler.. NOT recommendend with JFS |
| 15:39.31 | pelzi_ | grub is the first thing that loads when the computer boots. |
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| 15:39.47 | Crysis | hmm ok and it is hard to reinstall it ? |
| 15:39.52 | pelzi_ | it loads the linux kernel, or boots windows, but windows replaces it with its oen that can only boot windows. |
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| 15:39.57 | pelzi_ | own* |
| 15:39.58 | enouf | Crysis: during the install -- you'll be asked for Grub or Lilo .. choose Grub abnd allow installation to MBR -- see factoid ^^^ |
| 15:40.12 | Crysis | pelzi_ it is hard to reinstall it ? |
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| 15:40.30 | pelzi_ | not very hard, but not really that easy, either, if you can choose install windows first. |
| 15:40.38 | enouf | Crysis: it can be a pita -- do you have a separate HDD for windows? |
| 15:40.48 | pelzi_ | if windows is installed first, the installer will also configure grub to let you boot windows. |
| 15:40.57 | Crysis | ok peaceyall and with windows first i dont need to reinstall something for windows or, debian ? |
| 15:40.59 | pelzi_ | if you install windows later, you have to configure it yourself. |
| 15:41.06 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 15:41.08 | Crysis | enouf no i cant i wait if I like debian to buy one |
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| 15:41.21 | amortvigil | hey how can i remove whole php my admin? |
| 15:41.35 | pelzi_ | how did you install it |
| 15:41.42 | amortvigil | apt-get |
| 15:41.45 | Maulkin | apt-get remove --purge phpmyadmin |
| 15:41.51 | pelzi_ | amen. |
| 15:41.59 | amortvigil | :D |
| 15:42.04 | cydork | !tell Maulkin about fishing |
| 15:42.18 | Crysis | ok pelzi_ and with windows installed first i dont need to reinstall something for windows or, debian ? |
| 15:42.22 | enouf | Crysis: just makes all things easier .. READ the barbie docs :-P |
| 15:42.32 | Crysis | no.. KEN :p |
| 15:42.43 | enouf | !tell Maulkin about calamari |
| 15:42.49 | enouf | hehe |
| 15:42.52 | Maulkin | ... |
| 15:43.09 | enouf | [11:34:14] [dpkg] i dunno what is 'calamari'. |
| 15:43.10 | Crysis | !tell Crysis about masturabte |
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| 15:43.22 | enouf | Crysis: STOP that! |
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| 15:43.37 | enouf | Crysis: REALLY! |
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| 15:43.42 | Ronin | or at least do it in /msg |
| 15:43.43 | calamari | Crysis: how do you type with such hairy palms? |
| 15:43.58 | Crysis | lol I dont know |
| 15:44.05 | Maulkin | Erm... don't abuse the bots please. |
| 15:44.12 | Crysis | LOL debian is installed ! Its too fast now |
| 15:44.13 | zaphands | Hello! How do I extract many zip files to many directories, each named as the zipfile's name without the ".zip" ? |
| 15:44.53 | pelzi_ | write a shell script |
| 15:45.03 | Crysis | enouf I select single user mode or normal mode in Grub ? |
| 15:45.06 | cydork | zaphands: write bash script which will check if it's a zip file or not . if yes extract it :P |
| 15:45.27 | d0uglas | zaphands: you might be able to get winzip working under wine |
| 15:45.36 | cydork | d0uglas: why? why? why? why? |
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| 15:46.02 | zaphands | cydork: how to I write that script? is it possible as only one command line? |
| 15:46.07 | enouf | Crysis: Normal ..at first .. Single is for Recovery and ro mount |
| 15:46.08 | Braindead | d0uglas: you might be able to STFU |
| 15:46.10 | d0uglas | zaphands: using nano |
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| 15:46.20 | Crysis | ok |
| 15:46.23 | tarzeau | can you swallow? http://bugs.debian.org/270877 |
| 15:46.34 | pelzi_ | for zip in *.zip; do mkdir "`basename $zip`"; cd "`basename $zip`"; unzip "../$zip"; cd .. ; done |
| 15:46.37 | pelzi_ | no guarantee. |
| 15:46.48 | pelzi_ | it might work, or cause your house to burn. |
| 15:46.48 | zaphands | thanks! |
| 15:46.50 | calamari | pelzi_: impressive |
| 15:46.52 | Braindead | pelzi_: -d exdir |
| 15:46.53 | d0uglas | nice, pelzi |
| 15:46.54 | cydork | pelzi_: he said they are not named as zip :P |
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| 15:47.09 | pelzi_ | no |
| 15:47.12 | GoAuLd | zaphands, there is a contextual menu under konqueror, you select all the zips right click and there should appear a menu like "extract." "extract in subdirs" |
| 15:47.19 | pelzi_ | he said not to name the directories as .zip |
| 15:47.21 | cydork | pelzi_: oh ok.. nm :P |
| 15:47.23 | Braindead | cydork: he just said he wants foo.zip extracted to foo |
| 15:47.37 | zaphands | O.. I use WindowMaker. |
| 15:47.42 | tarzeau | there there, SHE swallows: http://www.witzbild.de/data/media/22/swallow.jpg |
| 15:47.44 | cydork | tarzeau: hehe : |
| 15:47.50 | zaphands | no KDE or gnone app. |
| 15:47.53 | zaphands | gnome^ |
| 15:47.55 | pelzi_ | try doing that in Windows conveniently ;) |
| 15:47.58 | tarzeau | zaphands: samer here |
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| 15:48.02 | pelzi_ | "command line is difficult" |
| 15:48.04 | tarzeau | zaphands: screenshot? |
| 15:48.09 | zaphands | :-) sec |
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| 15:48.36 | tarzeau | zaphands: that's mine: http://io.debian.net/~tar/screenshots/emacs.app.png |
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| 15:49.06 | cydork | tarzeau: show off! ;) |
| 15:49.08 | enouf | beardy : ping |
| 15:49.25 | tarzeau | cydork: i'm very sorry, but i couldn't resist writing something really stupid to that bug |
| 15:49.34 | Hoxzer | I dont get you guys, what is so cool in the pic? |
| 15:49.42 | tarzeau | Hoxzer: which pic? |
| 15:49.55 | Braindead | zaphands: pelzi_'s job revisited for file in *.zip;do unzip "$file" -d "`basename $file`";done |
| 15:49.56 | Hoxzer | nvm |
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| 15:51.10 | jaciline | Ola pessoal!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:51.11 | enouf | beardy: fwiw .. just noticed what you said over in #hardware about not being able to boot and flashing .. I have on this mobo .. Recovery jumper AND a Maintanence mode setting jumpers (3 pins total) -- totally OFF allows for flashing with no monitor whatsoever -- now as long as the floppy drive is working and it can load -- it's doable |
| 15:51.15 | stew | !br |
| 15:51.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 15:51.24 | jhonn | stew: thanks for your support |
| 15:51.30 | Con-fuze-ed | Ok... I have a script that counts down as I like... I want a user to interrupt it so I use a "read -r -s -n1 -t1 keypressed " which allows the user to press a key to interrupt the loop... however, any key that generates a character works except for the spacebar.... how can I make it work for space... I use "if [ $"keypressed"];then;break 2;fi " to terminate the countdown. |
| 15:51.35 | pelzi_ | enouf: almost all mobos support that |
| 15:51.56 | jhonn | stew: finally I install denyhosts via phyton |
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| 15:52.05 | Crysis | What is the command for reboot ? |
| 15:52.06 | pelzi_ | enouf: just put the flashing command in autoexec.bat on the floppy and wait long enough for the watchdog to jump to the emergency bios |
| 15:52.11 | pelzi_ | reboot. |
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| 15:52.12 | pelzi_ | as root |
| 15:52.12 | Con-fuze-ed | shutdown -r now |
| 15:52.22 | Maulkin | init 6 |
| 15:52.27 | Con-fuze-ed | you name it |
| 15:52.52 | Crysis | shutdown unknow command and reboot too pelzi_ |
| 15:52.57 | enouf | pelzi_: right .. just watch the LED light and it'll tell you when it's done .. Reset the jumper and boot |
| 15:53.03 | Maulkin | Crysis: As root |
| 15:53.09 | Crysis | I am root |
| 15:53.09 | d0uglas | Crysis: reboot -f if you're in a hurry |
| 15:53.22 | Con-fuze-ed | then init 6 |
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| 15:53.22 | Con-fuze-ed | that should work |
| 15:53.22 | pelzi_ | halt. or init 6. |
| 15:53.32 | Crysis | command not found too |
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| 15:53.47 | pelzi_ | /sbin/init 6 |
| 15:53.48 | Maulkin | .oO (shutdown not found? That's odd...) |
| 15:53.53 | wols_ | cleancut: as root |
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| 15:53.55 | Con-fuze-ed | his path is screwed up |
| 15:53.56 | wols_ | Crysis: |
| 15:53.59 | Maulkin | ahh, of course |
| 15:53.59 | pelzi_ | (sounds like su without -) |
| 15:54.01 | Crysis | HMM ITS GOOD :p I was not root I was user :p |
| 15:54.12 | pelzi_ | surprise surprise. :P |
| 15:54.14 | Con-fuze-ed | lol |
| 15:54.27 | Ronin | heh |
| 15:54.32 | Crysis | I love debian thanks for all the help guys :) |
| 15:54.38 | Con-fuze-ed | anyone have an answer for me?... this is perplexing as hell |
| 15:55.12 | abrotman | it's .. confusing ? |
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| 15:55.38 | abrotman | Con-fuze-ed: ask #bash |
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| 15:55.41 | Con-fuze-ed | yes |
| 15:55.44 | Con-fuze-ed | k |
| 15:55.45 | Hoxzer | no. |
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| 15:56.56 | Crysis | How can I install firefox and fluxbox ? |
| 15:57.01 | zaphands | tarzeau and everyone: Here's my screetshot: http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/4603/200610161753061280x1024scrotdj1.png |
| 15:57.04 | Ronin | Crysis: apt-get install |
| 15:57.28 | Crysis | yes but the exact command please I'm new |
| 15:57.32 | x_link | abrotman: Now I have a question that I can ask here =) |
| 15:57.35 | pelzi_ | apt-get install firefox fluxbox |
| 15:57.37 | x_link | I must run alsaconf alot. |
| 15:57.40 | x_link | Why is that ? |
| 15:57.43 | abrotman | x_link: i'll be shocked if it's true :) |
| 15:57.44 | Ronin | Crysis: apt-get install fluxbox |
| 15:58.01 | abrotman | it will be mozilla-firefox if it's sarge |
| 15:58.10 | x_link | I did it yesterday and now that I wanted to play a song it didn't play any sound. So I had to run alsaconf again. |
| 15:58.16 | x_link | Can somebody help me with this ? |
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| 15:58.39 | Crysis | that say packages are broken :/ |
| 15:58.51 | pelzi_ | apt-get update |
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| 15:59.03 | pelzi_ | then try again |
| 15:59.05 | stew | x_link: list the driver for your sound card along with "snd-pcm-oss" in /etc/modules to ensure they are loaded at boot |
| 15:59.13 | Crysis | pelzi_ still broken |
| 15:59.13 | x_link | Crysis pelzi_ Talking to me ? |
| 15:59.22 | pelzi_ | x_link: no. |
| 15:59.24 | x_link | ok |
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| 15:59.31 | x_link | stew: hrmm. I don't know how to do that. |
| 15:59.39 | Ronin | Crysis: exact error? and im betting post your sources.list to pastebin.ca |
| 15:59.42 | pelzi_ | Crysis: hm.. paste your sources.list somewhere (not here) |
| 15:59.46 | stew | x_link: do you know which also module your sound card uses? |
| 16:00.04 | Crysis | what is source.list ? and how can I past it if I dont have firefox ? |
| 16:00.11 | x_link | stew: Nope =/ |
| 16:00.13 | x_link | Sorry., |
| 16:00.14 | pelzi_ | hmm, good point |
| 16:00.23 | pelzi_ | sources.list is a file in /etc |
| 16:00.32 | pelzi_ | paste it in a private msg to me. |
| 16:00.33 | Ronin | Crysis: theres many other browsers, some installed by default /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:00.33 | JerJer | I just did an apt-get update ; apt-get upgrade and let it do its thing. Then I rebooted and now many places, including the KDE login screen has a bunch of boxes in place of the font - what did I break? |
| 16:00.39 | Maulkin | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 16:00.47 | stew | x_link: run alsaconf, put the output of "lsmod | grep snd" into a pastebin (/msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 16:00.48 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 16:00.57 | x_link | ok |
| 16:01.03 | Crysis | ok pelzi_ PM me I cant PM you |
| 16:01.21 | Braindead | zomg |
| 16:01.45 | JerJer | apps like Mozilla, Thunderbird are fine but Abiword and GAIM experience the same boxes in place of a real font |
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| 16:03.02 | Crysis | pelzi_ ? |
| 16:03.04 | x_link | stew: http://pastebin.ca/205165 |
| 16:03.18 | x_link | Ahh, I don't think that was what you wanted. |
| 16:03.28 | JerJer | should I do an apt-get dist-upgrade ? |
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| 16:04.09 | pelzi_ | Crysis: I can't pm you either since I forgot my nickserv password... ~_~ |
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| 16:04.24 | stew | x_link: edit /etc/modules ; add two lines: "snd-au8820" "snd-pcm-oss" |
| 16:04.24 | pelzi_ | heck, if it's only 2 lines just paste it here. |
| 16:04.28 | Crysis | ok |
| 16:04.32 | Ronin | Crysis: just start a browser, you likely have at least one already installed |
| 16:04.47 | Ronin | theres also cmd line ones too |
| 16:04.48 | x_link | ok |
| 16:05.03 | zaphands | If anyone is interested, here's the working unzip command line to extract all the zip files: for file in *.zip; do mkdir "`basename $file .zip`"; unzip "$file" -d"`basename $file .zip`";done |
| 16:05.10 | abrotman | pelzi_: Crysis: you could both /join #crysis |
| 16:05.16 | Ronin | abrotman: also that |
| 16:05.22 | x_link | edit /etc/modules snd-au8820 snd-pcm-oss Should I type like that in konsole ? |
| 16:05.30 | Maulkin | or #flood... |
| 16:05.37 | pelzi_ | actually, how am I supposed to recover the password :P |
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| 16:05.54 | x_link | Maulkin: You think I'm flooding ? |
| 16:06.09 | Maulkin | x_link: erm... what? |
| 16:06.20 | x_link | Ahh nothing. I thought you meant that to me. sorry |
| 16:06.21 | Crysis | deb http://security.deban.org/stables/updates main contrib and deb http://www.backports.org/debian/sarge-backports main contrib non-free and deb-src http://www.backports.org/debian/sarge-backports main contrib non-free @ pelzi_ |
| 16:06.35 | x_link | stew: Should I write that in konsole ? What I just wrote. |
| 16:06.49 | Maulkin | http://security.deban.org/stables/updates is wrong |
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| 16:07.04 | Crysis | so what need I to do ? |
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| 16:07.10 | Braindead | RTFM? |
| 16:07.11 | stew | x_link: "editor /etc/modules" or if you are a kde user, maybe "kate /etc/modules", add the other two snd- modules as lines to that file, save the file |
| 16:07.13 | pelzi_ | and you only have security and backports. |
| 16:07.21 | Braindead | no official repositories at all... |
| 16:07.31 | pelzi_ | you need to add a "normal", official stable repository there |
| 16:07.41 | Crysis | lol and I write what ? |
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| 16:07.51 | Crysis | pelzi_ I modify / add what ? |
| 16:07.54 | d0uglas | !lol |
| 16:07.54 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:07.58 | stew | Crysis: you don't have a debian main repository in there, run apt-setup |
| 16:08.07 | x_link | yes I use KDE stew |
| 16:08.10 | Maulkin | Crysis: You need to have security.debian.org instead of security.deban.org |
| 16:08.21 | Maulkin | Or yes... run that |
| 16:08.42 | Crysis | Maulkin I have debian its just write error |
| 16:08.55 | Maulkin | Crysis: as stew suggested, run apt-setup |
| 16:09.06 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 16:09.09 | pelzi_ | the easiest way. |
| 16:09.16 | Crysis | and after apt-setup I select what ? ftp ? |
| 16:09.26 | pelzi_ | http is better imo. |
| 16:09.26 | x_link | stew: http://pastebin.ca/205174 |
| 16:09.31 | Maulkin | http |
| 16:09.33 | abrotman | Crysis: run apt-setup |
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| 16:09.44 | pelzi_ | he ran it already |
| 16:09.47 | Crysis | that install now |
| 16:09.55 | abrotman | then he edited them afterwards |
| 16:10.10 | pelzi_ | oh ..., he is running it now. |
| 16:10.11 | Maulkin | x_link: what's your normal username? |
| 16:10.18 | stew | x_link: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
| 16:10.20 | Crysis | ok work now :p |
| 16:10.26 | x_link | stew: sedde |
| 16:10.27 | stew | x_link: or just use "editor" instead of kate |
| 16:10.35 | x_link | okey |
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| 16:10.54 | stew | x_link: or "XAUTHORITY=/home/sedde/.Xauthority kate /etc/modules" |
| 16:11.07 | x_link | /etc/modules: kernel modules to load at boot time. |
| 16:11.07 | x_link | # |
| 16:11.07 | x_link | # This file contains the names of kernel modules that should be loaded |
| 16:11.07 | x_link | # at boot time, one per line. Lines beginning with "#" are ignored. |
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| 16:11.31 | pelzi_ | and oh dammit. |
| 16:11.32 | Crysis | so apt-get install firefox works now :p how can I launch it ? |
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| 16:11.41 | x_link | Sorry. I forgot. |
| 16:11.43 | stew | Crysis: type "firefox" |
| 16:11.57 | Ronin | or from the wm menu |
| 16:11.57 | pelzi_ | why the heck does hotplugging a sata device crash the whole box |
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| 16:12.06 | Ronin | assuming of course your running one |
| 16:12.06 | Crysis | cannot open display stew |
| 16:12.12 | pelzi_ | not as root :P |
| 16:12.13 | x_link | stew: Did you see what I wrote ? |
| 16:12.15 | adamantas | if an url redirects to another url, wget will download the second url or not ? |
| 16:12.16 | abrotman | !knoppix |
| 16:12.17 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 16:12.20 | stew | Crysis: don't run it as root |
| 16:12.23 | pelzi_ | adamantas: depends. |
| 16:12.23 | Crysis | ok |
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| 16:12.25 | abrotman | adamantas: i think there's an option to do that |
| 16:12.35 | adamantas | which option? |
| 16:12.43 | Crysis | Cannot open display in user too |
| 16:12.45 | abrotman | man wget ? |
| 16:12.46 | row | bzip2 can only compress a stream right not a set of files? |
| 16:12.47 | pelzi_ | adamantas: if the redirect is the stupid non-standrard meta refresh, no. if it is Location: it will work |
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| 16:13.00 | Crysis | Cannot open display in user too pelzi_ or stew |
| 16:13.02 | x_link | stew: What should I paste there ? You told me that I should psate two lines ? Can you give me those two lines again please ? |
| 16:13.03 | Maulkin | pelzi_: I think it's something that's dependant on the controller |
| 16:13.03 | pelzi_ | Crysis: install a graphical environment ;) |
| 16:13.05 | Braindead | Crysis: do you have XFree/Xorg up and running? |
| 16:13.08 | stew | Crysis: you are running firefox as the same user that started X? are you sure? |
| 16:13.09 | Crysis | nope |
| 16:13.09 | adamantas | is there a special command to do it? |
| 16:13.17 | Crysis | Can I install fluxbox for a beginner ? |
| 16:13.25 | abrotman | beginner of what ? |
| 16:13.26 | stew | Crysis: no you don't have X running? |
| 16:13.30 | Braindead | Crysis: nope to what? |
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| 16:13.44 | Crysis | Can I install fluxbox for a beginner in linux ! |
| 16:13.49 | Crysis | or may I install KDE ? |
| 16:13.58 | pelzi_ | Maulkin: it's libata, which does not support it yet. but it could ignore new drives instead of panicking |
| 16:14.04 | abrotman | or icewm or xfce or gnome .. |
| 16:14.07 | pelzi_ | apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox |
| 16:14.12 | pelzi_ | if you want fluxbox. |
| 16:14.14 | stew | Crysis: aptitude install fluxbox ; aptitude install kde ; you might want to use the kde desktop task in aptitude |
| 16:14.22 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 16:14.23 | Maulkin | pelzi_: yes. It probably could :) |
| 16:14.31 | Maulkin | pelzi_: But that would be sensible. |
| 16:14.34 | Crysis | pelzi_ I do what stew say me ? |
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| 16:14.48 | pelzi_ | Crysis: depends on what you want. |
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| 16:15.04 | pelzi_ | Crysis: do the first one he said if you want fluxbox, the second if you want kde |
| 16:15.05 | x_link | stew: Can you give me those two lines again that I should put in editor /etc/modules ? |
| 16:15.09 | x_link | I'm there now. |
| 16:15.30 | stew | 12:04 < stew> x_link: edit /etc/modules ; add two lines: "snd-au8820" "snd-pcm-oss" |
| 16:15.31 | Crysis | ok pelzi_ what shoud I install for a beginner in debian ? What do you use ? |
| 16:15.41 | pelzi_ | fluxbox. |
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| 16:15.46 | pelzi_ | it is small and nice. |
| 16:15.51 | Maulkin | !start a window manager war |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | emacs makes me vomit! |
| 16:15.53 | Crysis | apt-get install x-window-system fluxbox so N |
| 16:16.00 | pelzi_ | yep. |
| 16:16.03 | Braindead | pelzi_: weight your answers considering who you're talking to.... |
| 16:16.03 | pelzi_ | that should work. |
| 16:16.24 | wols_ | Crysis: what OSes did you use before and how much RAM does your debian box have? |
| 16:16.24 | pelzi_ | Braindead: umm? |
| 16:16.37 | wols_ | pelzi_: he's new to debian, very new. you don't tell him to use fluxbox |
| 16:16.40 | Braindead | pelzi_: long story short: don't suggest fluxbox to an absolute noob |
| 16:16.40 | Crysis | wols_ I used win XP and 1 go of RAM |
| 16:16.48 | pelzi_ | well, maybe so. |
| 16:16.52 | pelzi_ | he mentioned flux himself. |
| 16:16.53 | wols_ | Crysis: gnome, kde, xfce |
| 16:16.56 | wols_ | take your pick |
| 16:17.00 | Braindead | pelzi_: he's a noob himself. |
| 16:17.15 | pelzi_ | yes, but I didn't suggest it ;) |
| 16:17.21 | Crysis | lol I install fluxbox now :/ wols_ what I need to do now ? |
| 16:17.23 | stew | Braindead: stop |
| 16:17.27 | wols_ | Crysis: you can have more than one windowmanager. Fluxbox is nice (I use it myself) but spartan. Not much to see. right click on desktop to get a menu |
| 16:17.40 | beardy | !noob |
| 16:17.40 | dpkg | Dear visitor, please don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. Please don't bother telling us you're not a "newb", "noob" or "n00b" either. We can tell that too, you probably are, if you have to say you are not. |
| 16:17.53 | x_link | stew: The first line should be snd-au8820 then I should jump down a line and type snd-pcm-oss right ? |
| 16:18.01 | pelzi_ | Crysis: it is fine, you can always install another one if you do not like it. |
| 16:18.10 | Braindead | it's spartan BUT configurable. but he won't fit this guys...he's too UNEXPERIENCED |
| 16:18.33 | wols_ | Crysis: install a displaymanger like gdm, kdm or xdm. kdm or gdm, whatever you like more. It gives you a graphical login when you start your debian |
| 16:18.39 | beardy | Braindead: How will someone wver gain experience if not by experience of trying and using it? |
| 16:18.39 | pelzi_ | Braindead: do not underestimate |
| 16:18.40 | stew | x_link: yes, those should each be on their own lines, at the end of that file |
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| 16:18.42 | d0uglas | why would i want a desktop with a smelly foot on it? |
| 16:18.48 | Braindead | wols_: x-window-system should pull xdm along |
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| 16:19.06 | x_link | stew: Okey, thanks alot man. I will try it out now. |
| 16:19.11 | pelzi_ | Braindead: I know many persistent non-experienced persons who spent a day fighting with fluxbox as their first touches to *nix and liked the result and still use it. |
| 16:19.12 | Braindead | beardy: someone could read the fine manual. at least a bit here and there |
| 16:19.18 | Charminthemoose | GNOME FTW! |
| 16:19.20 | Charminthemoose | that is all |
| 16:19.24 | Charminthemoose | for the moment... |
| 16:19.37 | beardy | Braindead: Yes. While testing and trying. I agree fully. |
| 16:19.40 | x_link | stew: Wrote 9 lines. How do I now if it works ? |
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| 16:19.52 | MtJB | my emac is happily running debian, now that i've cured the case of the missing right-click |
| 16:19.54 | Braindead | beardy: I don't agree with the "bother people on irc" part |
| 16:19.55 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: greetings |
| 16:19.58 | stew | x_link: the next time you reboot, you won't have to run alsaconf |
| 16:19.58 | wols_ | Crysis: the one thing in linux is paramount: there is always a choice, well mostly always. So since you're new try out several window managers and desktop environments. Usually people start with stuff that looks and behaves similar as windows and over time get more and more spartan :) |
| 16:20.11 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: mmmm chai tea |
| 16:20.11 | beardy | Braindead: I didn't mention that at all. |
| 16:20.17 | x_link | stew: Okey. Thanks ALOT, I really appreciate it. |
| 16:20.23 | wols_ | MtJB: what did you do? modded a 2nd mousebutton? *g* |
| 16:20.27 | Braindead | beardy: that's the case I'm talking about right now |
| 16:20.41 | pelzi_ | Braindead: it is fine for getting the thing installed and taking your first steps, if it disturbs you don't read it. |
| 16:20.43 | Charminthemoose | wols_ so your saying that there are some people who use somthing as dysmal as uwm? |
| 16:20.47 | Crysis | ok wols_ |
| 16:20.47 | x_link | I will tell you the next time I reboot. I didn't even had to reboot for it to not work. It was enough with not using xmms for a whilte |
| 16:20.52 | stew | Braindead: use ignore if it disturbs you |
| 16:20.52 | x_link | Later folx! |
| 16:21.06 | Braindead | lol |
| 16:21.07 | stew | Braindead: actaully if you are disturbed by people seeking help on irc, i'd suggest a different channel |
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| 16:21.19 | Charminthemoose | wols_ so your saying that there are some people who use somthing as dysmal as uwm? |
| 16:21.19 | Braindead | I guess "lol" is appropriate |
| 16:21.22 | d0uglas | the amd athlon 2400+ is smp, right? |
| 16:21.25 | beardy | !lol |
| 16:21.26 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 16:21.31 | Braindead | o'rlly? |
| 16:21.57 | Maulkin | A publisher |
| 16:21.59 | stew | wouldn't that be or'lly? |
| 16:22.00 | Maulkin | What's next? |
| 16:22.22 | beardy | A singing mermaid? |
| 16:22.45 | MtJB | d0uglas, how do you figure? |
| 16:22.45 | Crysis | how can I shutdown the PC ? |
| 16:22.46 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: never heard of that. ever seen ratpoison? |
| 16:22.55 | Maulkin | Crysis: "poweroff" |
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| 16:22.55 | wols_ | Crysis: man shutdown |
| 16:23.13 | beardy | Crysis: man shutdown, see also halt and poweroff |
| 16:23.18 | Crysis | ok :p |
| 16:23.23 | Braindead | http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y82/polg/catrly.gif |
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| 16:23.38 | Crysis | I will install Windows because you said me to install windows first and after debian and I come back :p See you :p |
| 16:23.50 | Charminthemoose | wols_: nope,should i see it?UWM is the Unix WIndow manager,it just has the ability to spawn terminals and do some resizing of them etc etc. |
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| 16:24.04 | Charminthemoose | truly terrible. |
| 16:24.36 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: well stuff like that :) ratpoison is similar: all windows are fullscreen. |
| 16:24.52 | wols_ | some end up in less spartan WMs of course. *box, WM, etc |
| 16:25.04 | pelzi_ | for coding ratpoison rocks |
| 16:25.17 | pelzi_ | for casual stuff I prefer something else. |
| 16:25.32 | DerJamster | d0uglas: no, it isn't. |
| 16:26.01 | pelzi_ | a cpu isn't smp or non-smp anyway |
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| 16:26.14 | pelzi_ | it kind of depends on the machine, not the cpu |
| 16:26.29 | pelzi_ | I don't think you have any Socket A SMPs anywhere, though |
| 16:26.41 | pelzi_ | *can find. |
| 16:26.55 | Charminthemoose | The one reason i hate kde is 'cos it's too damn IN J00R face. |
| 16:26.59 | wols_ | pelzi_: it is. the cpu I mean |
| 16:27.05 | Charminthemoose | compared to gnome/xfce |
| 16:27.12 | wols_ | and I don't just mean packaging as in the case of athlon XPs |
| 16:27.22 | wols_ | a K6 just wasn't capable of SMP |
| 16:27.22 | d0uglas | Hmm.. well, for some reason i thought it would be a good idea to install the smp kernel headers package. Should I get rid of that? |
| 16:27.46 | d0uglas | i'll get rid of it |
| 16:27.52 | pelzi_ | can't hurt |
| 16:28.06 | pelzi_ | but you can use an smp kernel on an uniprocessor machine |
| 16:28.13 | pelzi_ | it just wastes memory and might be slower |
| 16:28.20 | debula | i |
| 16:28.30 | pelzi_ | a uniprocessor machine... heck, I'm getting worse every day |
| 16:28.49 | d0uglas | maybe there's an smp emulator in development that i could install so i don't have to remove the smp headers |
| 16:28.52 | Charminthemoose | wols_:sccreen shots of uwm |
| 16:28.58 | debula | I'm a new debian etch user, I just installed it on my machine! it sometimes freezes, I mean the mouse doesn't work! what should I do? |
| 16:29.07 | Charminthemoose | http://udeproject.sourceforge.net/screenshots.html 'tis somewhat similar to ratpoison |
| 16:29.27 | pelzi_ | debula: which display card do you have |
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| 16:30.08 | wols_ | Charminthemoose: luxury. it has windows. with borders! :) |
| 16:30.11 | JerJer | anyone know why a apt-get update would cause fonts to go away (i get little boxes in place of the letters on various apps, like gaim, abiword) |
| 16:30.17 | vithos | i kind of liked wmii when i was running X. never used ratpoison but i hear it's similar |
| 16:30.18 | JerJer | er upgrade |
| 16:30.43 | d0uglas | JerJer: you're very patient.. most people would have reinstalled by now |
| 16:30.47 | debula | pelzi_: i don't know.my friend istal it for me. |
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| 16:30.59 | wols_ | JerJer: a font with those letters got replaced by a font without them? |
| 16:31.09 | wols_ | a font doesn't exist anymore which gaim wants to use? |
| 16:31.11 | JerJer | d0gulas: i really dont' want to re-install |
| 16:31.12 | pelzi_ | ask your friend, then. it's very difficult to tell without knowing. |
| 16:31.12 | kulbir | Is there a toolset for creating PDF files? |
| 16:31.38 | JerJer | wols_: its regular letters |
| 16:31.38 | d0uglas | kulbir: openoffice can export to pdfs, or you can set up a virtual printer thingy in cups |
| 16:32.12 | pelzi_ | JerJer: try to change the font gaim uses |
| 16:32.12 | JerJer | even the KDE login thingy has the little boxes |
| 16:32.13 | Spec | I just installed edgy ... how do I list my pci devices? there's no /proc/pci and lspci isn't found |
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| 16:32.14 | wols_ | JerJer: but depends on the font |
| 16:32.14 | pelzi_ | Spec: #ubuntu |
| 16:32.14 | kulbir | d0uglas: thanks |
| 16:32.14 | Spec | err, i meant etch |
| 16:32.14 | Spec | sorry |
| 16:32.15 | JerJer | i am attempting a dist-upgrade right now |
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| 16:32.27 | wols_ | Spec: install pciutils |
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| 16:32.29 | d0uglas | no prob kulbir |
| 16:32.37 | d0uglas | thanks for asking a question i could actually answer |
| 16:32.39 | JerJer | the problem is I cannot read anything to change the font |
| 16:32.40 | Spec | apt-cache search lspci doesn't turn up pciutils |
| 16:32.43 | Spec | thanks |
| 16:32.51 | stew | Spec: is /proc mounted? |
| 16:32.51 | d0uglas | JerJer: catch 22! :) |
| 16:32.55 | wols_ | apt-cache does not search inside packages... |
| 16:33.03 | stew | Spec: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 16:33.04 | Spec | yes, stew, it's /proc/bus/pci/devices now |
| 16:33.04 | JerJer | apt-file search lspci |
| 16:33.06 | pelzi_ | stew: /proc/pci was deprecated long ago iirc |
| 16:33.15 | Spec | stew: i'm actually waiting on an apt-file update already |
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| 16:33.49 | Spec | my 1394 controller is coming up as eth0, how do I prevent this from happening? |
| 16:34.07 | pelzi_ | Spec: you want to move your ethernet to eth0? |
| 16:34.24 | Spec | Yes, I don't want firewire to come as as an eth* at all |
| 16:34.25 | stew | Spec: edit /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 16:34.37 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 16:34.40 | stew | Spec: if you don't want it to come up at all, blacklist the module /msg dpkg blacklist |
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| 16:34.56 | Spec | if i blacklist it, my first interface will be eth0 probably, right? |
| 16:34.57 | pelzi_ | you can rename the firewire to something stupid or disable it. |
| 16:35.10 | pelzi_ | don't trust that |
| 16:35.10 | stew | Spec: not if you are running udev |
| 16:35.16 | pelzi_ | and it won't probably |
| 16:35.18 | Spec | ah, i see the config file |
| 16:35.27 | Spec | comment out the eth0 and make my eth1 eth0 |
| 16:35.35 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 16:35.52 | nite613_ | How do I kill a process that is stuck in the "D" state (as shown by ps)? The manpage says this is uninterruptable sleep, usually due to an IO wait |
| 16:35.52 | d0uglas | any way not to need to run x as root to auto-mount and manage my ipod? |
| 16:35.55 | pelzi_ | or rename the old eth0 to "foobar123" and make the eth1 eth0. |
| 16:36.13 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: add it to fstab. |
| 16:36.25 | d0uglas | ahh, fstab, thanks |
| 16:36.28 | Spec | nite613_: you can't afaik |
| 16:36.32 | pelzi_ | or run an auto-mounter as root. |
| 16:36.46 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: add user,noauto in the options so you can mount it yourself |
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| 16:37.38 | debula | when i instaled debian after formatting my pc, i saw the desktop of windows for a second.why it happend? |
| 16:37.44 | d0uglas | pelzi_: auto-mounter? not finding it |
| 16:37.48 | ekix | hi. how do i teach udev (in etch) no to make any persistent net rules at all? |
| 16:37.55 | Braindead | debula: poltergeist |
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| 16:38.21 | nite613_ | Spec: Can't? Could this be the first time in my entire 12 year history with Linux that I actually need to reboot to fix a hung app? |
| 16:38.39 | Spec | nite613_: It's worse when it goes <defunct> and you get a zombie process |
| 16:38.41 | dendrite | debula: Video RAM not cleared yet. |
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| 16:38.54 | d0uglas | nite613_: reboot now for the hell of it so you'll never know if you had to reboot to fix a hung app |
| 16:39.26 | debula | thx |
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| 16:39.59 | d0uglas | sorry that wasn't very funny |
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| 16:40.07 | nite613_ | Spec: That can usually be taken care of by killing the parent process |
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| 16:40.49 | Braindead | nite613_: that process has no parent no more. he died without taking care of his sons... |
| 16:41.09 | Charminthemoose | wols_ what wm/DE do you use? |
| 16:41.24 | wols_ | kde/*box |
| 16:41.30 | wols_ | but most times I use screen :) |
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| 16:42.01 | Spec | nite613_: try looking at pstree ? |
| 16:42.30 | debula | Braindead: what's that? I don't know what does it mean! |
| 16:42.57 | debula | dendrite: then how can I clear the video RAM? |
| 16:43.03 | Crysis | http://img275.imageshack.us/img275/4603/200610161753061280x1024scrotdj1.png -> What graphic is utilised here (KDE, fluxbox) ? |
| 16:43.10 | nite613_ | Braindead: A zombie process usually means that the child has died but the parent never did a wait()/waitpid() to clear the process slot. If the parent is dead, then the child is adopted by init and it cleans up. |
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| 16:43.57 | Braindead | nite613_: it *should* clean it up |
| 16:44.22 | nite613_ | My stuck process is not Z, it's Ds, and it's parent is init. I know the I/O it's stuck on, it's a call to the USB driver when the wrong module was loaded. Playing with the usb modules via modprobe so far hasn't helped |
| 16:44.25 | d0uglas | Crysis: that looks like the windows xp default background |
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| 16:44.32 | pelzi_ | debula: you don't clear it, the desktop just was there after the reboot and you saw it for a split second before the debian desktop started. |
| 16:44.42 | Crysis | d0uglas no i want to know if it is KDE or gnome or fluxbox |
| 16:44.45 | Crysis | or anything |
| 16:44.57 | d0uglas | all i can tell you is that it's real pretty |
| 16:45.07 | pelzi_ | nite613_: you aren't fixing a hung process, loading the wrong module means you have trouble in the kernel too. |
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| 16:45.21 | debula | pelzi_: thank you |
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| 16:46.18 | nite613_ | pelzi_: The module has since been removed |
| 16:46.46 | Charminthemoose | crysis:That's WIndowMaker |
| 16:46.50 | pelzi_ | nite613_: it is still kernel-space problems, just leave it there or reboot |
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| 16:47.08 | Braindead | it's just occupying some space in the process table |
| 16:47.17 | Crysis | Charminthemoose ok thanks |
| 16:47.19 | pelzi_ | nite613_: having to reboot for a purely userspace-problem would not be nice. |
| 16:47.29 | r40j_ | anyone got any candidate DNS servers I should be looking at other than bind of course??? |
| 16:47.33 | pelzi_ | for kernel-space stuff it's no big deal |
| 16:47.42 | pelzi_ | r40j_: djbdns |
| 16:47.50 | pelzi_ | I use bind, though |
| 16:48.00 | Braindead | as long as it's not recurrent/recursive it shouldn't case any problem. you know what caused it so you know it's not dangerous |
| 16:48.06 | r40j_ | pelzi: and not written by an arrogant software nazi :-) |
| 16:48.21 | pelzi_ | well, djb is interesting |
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| 16:48.39 | pelzi_ | I like his attitude, I can't stand people who try to make other people like them. |
| 16:48.55 | Braindead | like,not insane? |
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| 16:49.16 | pelzi_ | and djb is definitely not stupid. |
| 16:49.24 | r40j_ | pelzi: i just don't like people with such an arrogant attitude.. it stinks.. yeah just wondering if there's anything obvious other than bind |
| 16:49.31 | Braindead | pelzi_: lots of serial killers have high IQs... |
| 16:49.37 | pelzi_ | but dns daemons are surprisingly scarce. |
| 16:49.42 | r40j_ | pelzi: no, probably not, but clever people can still be assholes :) |
| 16:49.55 | pelzi_ | who cares if he is an asshole when the software works? |
| 16:50.03 | pelzi_ | would you take bad software from a nice guy? |
| 16:50.14 | pelzi_ | for me it's irrelevant who wrote it. |
| 16:50.37 | Braindead | and how it's written? |
| 16:50.38 | r40j_ | pelzi: I don't want a software disscussion... his licencing is strange as well last time i looked |
| 16:50.56 | pelzi_ | bind happened to be more easily available and works for me so I don't use djbdns and never really tried it. |
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| 16:51.05 | r40j_ | ok, thanks |
| 16:51.10 | Braindead | http://szpajder.home.staszic.waw.pl/rotfl/why-not-qmail.png (oldies but goldies) |
| 16:51.11 | pelzi_ | the licensing is strange, yes. the only thing I don't like about him. |
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| 16:52.31 | pelzi_ | I don't use qmail either. |
| 16:52.37 | r40j_ | lol |
| 16:52.46 | pelzi_ | I use exim. but I don't give a damn who wrote any MTA |
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| 16:54.29 | Braindead | ah ok I see nazis have already been cited so Godwin's law has been respected once again http://www.killfile.org/faqs/godwin.faq |
| 16:54.34 | Braindead | just in case... |
| 16:54.47 | Braindead | pelzi_: would you use software written by Hitler? |
| 16:54.51 | Crysis | pelzi_ I am currently installing Windows I have make a free space of 50 gb for Debian is it the good way ? |
| 16:54.54 | infernix | a recommended image viewer similar to ACDsee, anyone? apt-cache search image viewer gives a bit too many to try:) |
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| 16:55.19 | r40j_ | infernix: gqview is nice |
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| 16:55.41 | pelzi_ | Crysis: at least it is big enough. |
| 16:55.55 | pelzi_ | Braindead: yes, if it was good software. |
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| 16:56.00 | cydork | infernix: xzgv |
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| 16:56.15 | Crysis | pelzi_ after I will not have problem with the multi boot ? |
| 16:56.16 | Braindead | infernix: pornview (yeah it's real) |
| 16:56.27 | pelzi_ | Crysis: probably not. |
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| 16:56.46 | hans0lo | I am looking for a simple firewall app (console or X) -- something easy like Firestarter, so I don't have to learn iptables. Any reccommendations? |
| 16:57.08 | abrotman | it's better to just learn iptables |
| 16:57.16 | abrotman | but .. apt-cache search iptables gui |
| 16:57.30 | hans0lo | abrotman: k, thanks |
| 16:57.32 | Braindead | hans0lo: it's unlikely anyway you need a firewall for a desktop |
| 16:57.32 | infernix | Braindead: bad name to be advising clients :P |
| 16:57.48 | pelzi_ | iptables is so horrible you are better off not learning it. |
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| 16:58.15 | hans0lo | Braindead: this is for my firewall/gateway |
| 16:58.28 | pelzi_ | I'd rather buy a second box to run a BSD for routing/firewalling than use iptables. |
| 16:58.33 | Braindead | ah ok. you could give shorewall a try |
| 16:58.48 | hans0lo | Braindead: isn't shorewall a whole OS? |
| 16:58.54 | pelzi_ | no. |
| 16:58.57 | pelzi_ | smoothwall is. |
| 16:58.58 | Braindead | hans0lo: nope,that's smoothwall |
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| 16:59.13 | hans0lo | Braindead: ahh, ok.. I'll check that one out also. thanks |
| 16:59.30 | pelzi_ | for smoothwall-like things look at m0n0wall and pfsense. |
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| 17:00.49 | lepton | pelzi_: does BSD have quality of service? |
| 17:00.58 | pelzi_ | of course it does |
| 17:01.07 | pelzi_ | in openbsd it is altq. |
| 17:01.39 | pelzi_ | and I guess it has been ported to other bsds too, and there are others but I don't know about them since I use openbsd. |
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| 17:02.23 | JordiGH | When I get a "[printer] not ready" with lpq, is there a way to get a more verbose message? |
| 17:02.43 | pelzi_ | what kind of printer |
| 17:03.02 | JordiGH | LaserJet-9000 is not ready |
| 17:03.17 | abrotman | does the printer model really matter? |
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| 17:03.27 | pelzi_ | usb or parallel? |
| 17:03.37 | JordiGH | I'm trying to diagnose a problem here. It seems that whenever any other user but myself prints, the printer locks up after the first job. |
| 17:03.41 | JordiGH | pelzi_: samba printer. |
| 17:03.48 | JordiGH | pelzi_: with cups. |
| 17:03.55 | pelzi_ | hm. |
| 17:03.57 | abrotman | JordiGH: does cups have a verbose logging option ? |
| 17:04.01 | pelzi_ | no idea, then. |
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| 17:04.20 | JordiGH | abrotman: It has a logging option? :P |
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| 17:05.06 | pelzi_ | of course cups has logging... |
| 17:05.09 | JordiGH | abrotman: Alrighty, getting NT_STATUS_ACCESS_DENIED in /var/log/cups/error_log |
| 17:05.14 | pelzi_ | cups even has the kitchen sink |
| 17:05.24 | pelzi_ | so it is a samba problem. |
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| 17:06.26 | JordiGH | pelzi_: Well, that error message is from last week. I don't think I fixed it, though. |
| 17:06.27 | abrotman | JordiGH: there you go .. that's much better |
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| 17:07.34 | JordiGH | And on Oct 9, it looks like every five seconds it gave this error: cupsdAuthorize: Local authentication certificate not found! |
| 17:07.38 | JordiGH | wtf |
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| 17:09.19 | JordiGH | How can I reset cups or lp? Is lp even running? I don't see a process for it. |
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| 17:09.43 | Abel | hi, I can't put the dma on in my hard drive, i set on with hdparm -d1 but after restart turned off .. |
| 17:09.46 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:10.48 | wols_ | Abel: debian kernel? what IDE chipset? |
| 17:10.48 | wols_ | if all fails, make a rc.local startup file and run hdparm from there |
| 17:10.48 | Abel | I use 2.6.18 |
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| 17:10.49 | Abel | kernel |
| 17:10.49 | JordiGH | I want to clear the lpq and reset the printer back to "ready". I'm pretty sure I can reboot the computer to do that, but there must be something smarter. :-) |
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| 17:11.04 | Abel | IDE interface: Intel Corporation 82801DB (ICH4) IDE Controller |
| 17:11.24 | wols_ | Abel: custom self compiled? |
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| 17:11.33 | Abel | wols_: yes |
| 17:11.59 | wols_ | then look over your kernel configs |
| 17:12.04 | wols_ | use DMA if available or such |
| 17:12.05 | Jabka | how can i know what module to load for my sound system to work ? |
| 17:12.16 | wols_ | Jabka: lspci to see what chip you use |
| 17:12.30 | Abel | wols_: ok, i'll try with rc.local |
| 17:12.33 | wols_ | then look on alsa-project.org. they have a table |
| 17:12.46 | wols_ | soundcard list |
| 17:12.53 | stew | Jabka: /msg dpkg which module for 0401 |
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| 17:13.57 | kmap | Hi. Any idea when the actual Firefox -> IceWeasel change is happening? |
| 17:14.03 | Jabka | i don't know what type i have (Laptop acer 5102wlmi) |
| 17:14.25 | stew | Jabka: what is in the third column when you run "lspci -n | grep 0401" ? |
| 17:14.32 | JordiGH | kmap: rsn. The mailing lists are abuzz with the change. |
| 17:14.43 | stew | Jabka: something like 8086:1066 |
| 17:14.45 | kmap | ChanServ: JordiGH: Thanks, will see then now |
| 17:16.41 | JordiGH | Apropos of nothing, it must be real love: my girlfriend has given me permission to install Debian on her lappy. All my mad raving finally rubbed off, I guess. :-) |
| 17:17.37 | JordiGH | (Good thing I probably won't have to config printers for her lappy, though.) |
| 17:17.39 | d0uglas | well that's why i use debian, to get chicks |
| 17:17.56 | d0uglas | they don't know what's good for them so i have to show them |
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| 17:18.27 | JordiGH | d0uglas: It took a loooong time of subliminal convincing. |
| 17:18.52 | JordiGH | I wonder how long before she says "Oh, I gimped that pics you took and removed the red eye." |
| 17:18.59 | jharrisonwk | JordiGH: did you put debian posters in her room? |
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| 17:19.20 | wols_ | jharrisonwk: chanting debian all night while she was asleep did the trick |
| 17:19.27 | wols_ | subliminal. not "In your face" |
| 17:19.29 | d0uglas | well if she has any problems along the way tell her to "are tee eff emm" |
| 17:19.40 | jharrisonwk | wols_: the image might have planted the thought though |
| 17:19.42 | Ronin | JordiGH: put on an xp theme and dont tell her you changed her over, see if she ever notices |
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| 17:20.19 | JordiGH | jharrisonwk: Nah. Just a Tux Guevara poster in her background, for instance: http://platinum.linux.pl/~jordi/piccies/tux-guevara.png |
| 17:20.25 | JordiGH | (I think that's the right link). |
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| 17:20.50 | cydork | JordiGH: hahha now that's a good one :) |
| 17:21.07 | jharrisonwk | I told my wife "you have a choice. Either use debian or dont use the computer." |
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| 17:21.22 | yang | Which is a nice web driven application with mysql for creating a CD records collection? |
| 17:21.22 | cydork | jharrisonwk: and she listened?? |
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| 17:21.31 | jharrisonwk | cydork: of course |
| 17:21.48 | jharrisonwk | she uses the computer every day for 5 years on debian now |
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| 17:22.12 | jharrisonwk | she gimped a photo of our daughter the other day |
| 17:22.22 | jharrisonwk | its amazing how quickly she picks up on things like that |
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| 17:22.40 | epsilon | .oO bad word detected: gimp |
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| 17:23.19 | jharrisonwk | gimp == GNU Image Manipulation Program |
| 17:23.26 | JordiGH | !gimp |
| 17:23.26 | dpkg | The GIMP is the GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is a freely distributed piece of software for such tasks as photo retouching, image composition and image authoring. It works on many operating systems, in many languages. http://gimp.org/ GIMP has grown completely un-intutive to work with. The most simple task requires cumbersome manual reading. |
| 17:23.36 | Ronin | had my wife asking if we had gimp installed, she's doing a follow along with a photographer in town and he said he uses gimp for editing |
| 17:23.43 | Jabka | how can i know what module to load for a sound card |
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| 17:23.52 | cydork | jharrisonwk: i am trying to convince my gf but not much luck yet. now her comp is on windows/ubuntu dualboot :P but i will try to get her to using debian soon ! |
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| 17:23.56 | jharrisonwk | Jabka: lspci? |
| 17:24.06 | abrotman | !which driver |
| 17:24.07 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 17:24.08 | stew | Jabka: what is in the third column when you run "lspci -n | grep 0401" ?, something like 8086:0010 |
| 17:24.09 | jharrisonwk | cydork: take windows away from her |
| 17:24.27 | epsilon | gimp is just pure pain in the back :( |
| 17:24.39 | Jabka | stew:nada |
| 17:24.43 | d0uglas | all this talk about "wives" and "girlfriends" is confusing me |
| 17:24.46 | cahoot | Jabka, install linux-soundbase and alsa-utils - should just work then |
| 17:24.50 | JordiGH | !start a, uh, image manipulation program war. |
| 17:24.52 | cahoot | Jabka, install linux-soundbase and alsa-utils - should just work the |
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| 17:25.01 | stew | Jabka: is it an old laptop? perhaps with an isa soundcard? have you tried alsaconf? |
| 17:25.02 | cydork | !confuse d0uglas |
| 17:25.02 | dpkg | No, who are their gouda today, d0uglas? shirts of the dictatorship of swaziland with extra cream |
| 17:25.05 | cahoot | Jabka, linux-sound-base |
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| 17:25.48 | jharrisonwk | thats dpkg's version of the orb of confusion I guess |
| 17:25.54 | jharrisonwk | pretty effective |
| 17:26.01 | keko_ | have i configured my apt sources.list right i try to add marillat eb ftp//ftp.nerim.net/marillat/ etch main |
| 17:26.06 | keko_ | deb |
| 17:26.08 | Jabka | it a new laptop i bought it yesterday running unstable |
| 17:26.24 | jharrisonwk | Jabka: maybe you should take it back |
| 17:26.32 | Jabka | why ? |
| 17:26.39 | cydork | !tell keko_ about marillat |
| 17:26.41 | jharrisonwk | Jabka: you said its running unstable |
| 17:26.47 | jharrisonwk | Jabka: maybe something is wrong with it |
| 17:26.48 | stew | Jabka: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:26.52 | Jabka | i ment Debian Unstable |
| 17:27.00 | jharrisonwk | Jabka: I know :-P |
| 17:27.09 | pelzi_ | heh heh. |
| 17:27.10 | Jabka | oo |
| 17:27.29 | pelzi_ | you might try lsusb too. some lappies have integrated usb sound... |
| 17:27.30 | Jabka | linux-base-sound is installed |
| 17:27.38 | pelzi_ | also google "linux" with the model |
| 17:27.44 | Jabka | nope tested that allready |
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| 17:28.01 | Jabka | pelzi_ : im doing it for 5 hours |
| 17:28.04 | jharrisonwk | Jabka: does lspci not say what sound card it is? |
| 17:28.11 | pelzi_ | which lappy? |
| 17:28.11 | valdyn | Jabka: can you paste the output of lscpi -n somewhere |
| 17:28.16 | valdyn | Jabka: just not here |
| 17:28.22 | Jabka | flood ? |
| 17:28.25 | stew | Jabka: have you tried alsaconf? |
| 17:28.26 | pelzi_ | luckily I have ibm lappies, linux works painlessly |
| 17:28.28 | stew | Jabka: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 17:28.30 | valdyn | !paste |
| 17:28.30 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 17:28.32 | pelzi_ | I'd rather pastebin |
| 17:28.41 | CodeMonkey | pelzi_: also on the toshiba ones |
| 17:28.51 | JordiGH | Ok, so I asked my sysadmin. Replied to use lp and told me which of the local servers to use for printing. Huh? |
| 17:29.00 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ping |
| 17:29.05 | pelzi_ | on most lappies, really. |
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| 17:29.16 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: add the lp server to your printcap |
| 17:29.21 | pelzi_ | then use it |
| 17:29.27 | pelzi_ | or read about rlpr |
| 17:29.38 | Jabka | it is acer 5102wlmi |
| 17:29.42 | cydork | Jabka: also check http://tuxmobil.org/acer.html |
| 17:29.43 | JordiGH | No manual entry for rlpr |
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| 17:30.14 | Jabka | it says the guis didn't past the boot .. |
| 17:30.47 | Jabka | i meen in linux-laptop |
| 17:30.47 | wols_ | Jabka: atiixp or atiixp-modern |
| 17:30.57 | wols_ | paste your output of lspci -v in a pastebin |
| 17:31.18 | wols_ | "the guis didn't past the boot"? what does that mean? you have no gui? |
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| 17:31.32 | cahoot | Jabka, looks like you sounddevice wants snd-hda-intel |
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| 17:32.13 | JordiGH | pelzi_ : What should the printcap entry look like? |
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| 17:32.27 | wols_ | cahoot: how do you know that? |
| 17:32.41 | JordiGH | pelzi_: And I guess I needn't aptitude install rlpr? Its description seems to imply that it's independent of printcap. |
| 17:32.52 | cahoot | wols_, google |
| 17:32.58 | pelzi_ | yes, rlpr is independent of printcap. |
| 17:33.01 | wols_ | cahoot: ah, see it now |
| 17:33.02 | valdyn | Jabka: try #flood anyway |
| 17:33.07 | pelzi_ | and you might have to install it. |
| 17:33.22 | pelzi_ | then rlpr printer@host foo |
| 17:33.25 | JordiGH | Oh, it's tiny. Good. |
| 17:33.32 | wols_ | yes, snd-hda-intel it is. it also means you should probably use a very very recent alsa |
| 17:33.35 | JordiGH | Can host tell me which printers are available? |
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| 17:33.55 | jharrisonwk | what kernel is in unstable now? |
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| 17:34.00 | jharrisonwk | 2.6.18? |
| 17:34.04 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: go look .. you know how |
| 17:34.04 | cydork | jharrisonwk: yep |
| 17:34.05 | d0uglas | JordiGH: yeah, with samba |
| 17:34.15 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: too much trouble |
| 17:34.25 | d0uglas | just like it would report shared directories |
| 17:34.31 | jharrisonwk | so the alsa in 2.6.18 should be new enough I would think |
| 17:34.37 | cahoot | Jabka, this page might be of some help: http://www.gentoo-wiki.com/HARDWARE_Acer_Aspire_5102WLMi |
| 17:34.52 | JordiGH | d0uglas: I think I'm no longer printing to a samba printer... |
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| 17:34.52 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you're crazy |
| 17:35.20 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: whitey |
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| 17:36.09 | d0uglas | JordiGH: if you're using cups a decent web config thing is available at localhost:631 |
| 17:36.13 | atula | hi. how do I add a modprobe to startup? |
| 17:36.21 | atula | ndiswrapper for instance |
| 17:36.25 | valdyn | Jabka: looks like no one yet told you to run 'update-pciids' |
| 17:36.31 | valdyn | Jabka: as root |
| 17:36.34 | jharrisonwk | atula: /etc/modules |
| 17:37.07 | JordiGH | d0uglas: Hmm... I am using CUPS. But sysadmin said to use lp. Lemme see if that works... |
| 17:37.43 | valdyn | JordiGH: cups can print to remote bsd printers just fine |
| 17:37.50 | atula | jharrisonwk, I added a line: alias wlan0 ndiswrapper to /etc/modules.conf |
| 17:37.51 | JordiGH | By the way, is there a good mnemonic for 631? Any reason why they chose that port? I always forget it. |
| 17:37.59 | Jabka | i posted my lspci in flood |
| 17:38.01 | Jabka | <valdyn> i posted on flood |
| 17:38.03 | Jabka | cahoot : im reading it now .. |
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| 17:38.06 | Jabka | nope .. |
| 17:38.07 | atula | jharrisonwk, that is the correct method? |
| 17:38.09 | Jabka | valdyb : did ehat now ? |
| 17:38.09 | Jabka | valdyn now he knows what it is .. |
| 17:38.14 | jharrisonwk | atula: dont know |
| 17:38.15 | JordiGH | valdyn: Heh, how did you know it was a bsd printer? You noticed or remembered that I'm using OpenBSD right now? |
| 17:38.21 | zinx | JordiGH: ipp... |
| 17:38.25 | cydork | atula: yep |
| 17:38.33 | zinx | JordiGH: they chose it because it's the port allocated to ipp :/ |
| 17:38.40 | JordiGH | zinx: ipp? |
| 17:38.55 | valdyn | JordiGH: classic lp is called that and i guess coming from there, nothing to do with your real OS |
| 17:38.57 | zinx | JordiGH: internet printing protocol |
| 17:39.27 | atula | cydork, does it matter where the line is? (ie top or page or end of page) |
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| 17:40.23 | JordiGH | Ah, *now* my printer "is ready". I went to the CUPS admin page and hit "start printer". I wonder if there's a way to do that from the cli. |
| 17:40.44 | valdyn | JordiGH: install cupsys-bsd for instance |
| 17:41.02 | valdyn | JordiGH: that is the bsd interface ( cli ) to your cups printers |
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| 17:41.05 | CerealVore | hi |
| 17:41.08 | cydork | atula: nope |
| 17:41.09 | Priest-of-Psi | man ATI makes absolute crap |
| 17:41.26 | CerealVore | hehe, so true |
| 17:41.32 | Ronin | works fine here |
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| 17:41.41 | valdyn | JordiGH: then run 'lpq' for instance |
| 17:41.46 | Priest-of-Psi | Ronin: try beryl |
| 17:41.48 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: DON'T BUY FROM ATI! ;-) |
| 17:41.49 | Priest-of-Psi | and we speak again |
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| 17:42.00 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: my notebook comes with ATI |
| 17:42.04 | Ronin | Priest-of-Psi: what beryl? |
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| 17:42.28 | Priest-of-Psi | Ronin: XGL + Compiz wihtout the gnome libs |
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| 17:42.40 | CerealVore | does anyone know if the mysql 5 binaries that ship with testing/unstable have cluster support built in? |
| 17:42.52 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: Beryl? I've been looking for a good video card with free drivers. I do want 3d acceleration. I heard about Intel putting out good cards. Do you have any other recommendations? |
| 17:42.56 | valdyn | Jabka: i just needed the output of lspci -n, lscpi -v is not useful for me without me working to filter the useful information |
| 17:43.07 | Zaib | guyz how to increase the validity limit of apache2 certificate .. i m making it via apache2-sssl-certificate under debian |
| 17:43.14 | Priest-of-Psi | JordiGH: any nvidia card |
| 17:43.19 | Jabka | momento .. |
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| 17:43.26 | Zaib | it gives me only 1 month validity |
| 17:43.28 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: there are no plans to support xgl in debian, compiz is now in debian and works with aiglx which comes with x.org, and aiglx is currently only supported in debian for ati and intel cards |
| 17:43.49 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: I said free drivers. :-/ |
| 17:43.54 | Priest-of-Psi | stew: some people can not use aiglx |
| 17:44.02 | Priest-of-Psi | like me |
| 17:44.10 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: why can't you? |
| 17:44.14 | zinx | Priest-of-Psi: too bad! :D |
| 17:44.16 | valdyn | stew: precisely in debian/unstable, experimental does have the appropriate nvidia driver and compiz ( from unstable i believe ) does explicitely support that one |
| 17:44.21 | Priest-of-Psi | the Xpress 200m R410 cards are not supported by the open radeon driver |
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| 17:44.34 | stew | ahh |
| 17:44.53 | Priest-of-Psi | note the Xpress 200M rs48x |
| 17:44.56 | Priest-of-Psi | is supported |
| 17:44.56 | Jabka | valdyn: i posted that |
| 17:45.04 | Priest-of-Psi | just not my card they have some memory issues |
| 17:45.19 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 17:45.19 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
| 17:45.21 | Priest-of-Psi | brb I need to reboot with the new kernel |
| 17:45.39 | Priest-of-Psi | valdyn: I cant browse for shit atm |
| 17:45.39 | Priest-of-Psi | :P |
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| 17:45.45 | JordiGH | Does dpkg's answer also do the reverse? Which hardware has free drivers? |
| 17:46.05 | Priest-of-Psi | brb |
| 17:46.08 | wols_ | JordiGH: best look int the kernel for that |
| 17:46.23 | JordiGH | wols_: Huh? |
| 17:46.42 | wols_ | for what hardware has free drivers |
| 17:47.40 | valdyn | JordiGH: now have you tried snd-hda-intel ? |
| 17:47.43 | JordiGH | wols_: What do you mean look into the kernel? Browse around kernel.og? |
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| 17:47.46 | valdyn | JordiGH: oh sorry nm |
| 17:47.54 | valdyn | Jabka: now have you tried snd-hda-intel? |
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| 17:48.03 | pelzi_ | JordiGH: get the kernel sources and grep, anything in the vanilla kernel is free. |
| 17:48.22 | Jabka | valdyn : my kernel says it not there .. |
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| 17:48.29 | valdyn | is there an easy way to get all support PCI IDs for a specific kernel though? |
| 17:48.35 | wols_ | no. kernel. kernel source |
| 17:48.37 | JordiGH | pelzi_: I see. The X.org packages in Debian are formed from kernel sources? |
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| 17:48.43 | JordiGH | pelzi_: The free ones, I mean. |
| 17:48.57 | pelzi_ | well, for them you want the Xorg source. |
| 17:48.59 | wols_ | JordiGH: those aren't. x.org doesn't have driver listings. xfree86.org does |
| 17:49.02 | pelzi_ | that is also free. |
| 17:49.14 | wols_ | they're still pretty accurate |
| 17:49.26 | stew | valdyn: /lib/modules/$version/modules.pcimap? |
| 17:49.41 | wols_ | realistically you have only 3 choices anyways: ati, nvidia, intel. rest is pretty much 2D only stuff |
| 17:50.04 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm whats the meta package that will install all the necesarry stuff for xorg? |
| 17:50.05 | pelzi_ | there hardly is anything else. |
| 17:50.08 | Priest-of-Psi | ie fonts etc... |
| 17:50.13 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: 'xorg' |
| 17:50.20 | valdyn | stew: that's just compiled modules i assume, still nice |
| 17:50.21 | pelzi_ | x-window-system[-core]? |
| 17:50.25 | stew | valdyn: right |
| 17:50.28 | Jabka | valdyn: ill try to reboot to a newer kernel brb |
| 17:51.31 | stew | pelzi_: those two just depend on the xorg meta-package |
| 17:51.31 | valdyn | Jabka: and run update-pciids.. |
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| 17:51.31 | pelzi_ | stew: but have other stuff too I think? |
| 17:51.32 | stew | pelzi_: no |
| 17:51.32 | Priest-of-Psi | I love debian! |
| 17:51.32 | Jabka | ok |
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| 17:51.33 | d0uglas | acpi seems to think thermal 1, the cpu i guess, is always running at 138.2 degrees F.. if my setup did not support acpi, wouldn't it not report anything at all instead of some made-up number? |
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| 17:51.33 | JordiGH | Drat. wtf. Printing from Firefox just printed 6 times something that I clearly only sent once. |
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| 17:51.49 | stew | pelzi_: apt-cache show x-window-system-core xwindow-system |
| 17:51.58 | pelzi_ | stew: ok |
| 17:52.08 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: the hardware reports that via acpi. |
| 17:52.13 | Priest-of-Psi | ok I have a choice |
| 17:52.23 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: probably the hardware supports a thermal sensor but none is installed |
| 17:52.35 | Priest-of-Psi | seeing as I wount be running beryl anytime soon either fvwm / fluxbox / openbox |
| 17:52.46 | Priest-of-Psi | do you guys have other suggestions |
| 17:52.55 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: compiz? |
| 17:53.06 | Priest-of-Psi | valdyn: I cant |
| 17:53.11 | Priest-of-Psi | my card is not supported |
| 17:53.19 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: why isnt it? |
| 17:53.23 | Caelum | how do I pass my environment to sudo commands? |
| 17:53.28 | d0uglas | pelzi_: so if this thing isn't working right then my powersave ware can't be either, right? |
| 17:53.29 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: why would it need to be supported anyway? |
| 17:53.33 | Priest-of-Psi | valdyn: ask ATI |
| 17:53.41 | abrotman | you bought the darn card! |
| 17:53.41 | Priest-of-Psi | valdyn: compiz locks up |
| 17:53.44 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: software rendering may be just fine, it was fine for me |
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| 17:53.57 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: not really, if it says anything at all acpi is supported |
| 17:54.06 | Priest-of-Psi | valdyn: do you mind if we take this pm? |
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| 17:54.16 | pelzi_ | d0uglas: you just don't have a thermal sensor, powersave might still work |
| 17:54.19 | FromTO | join #latex |
| 17:54.19 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: yea, i have no time |
| 17:54.29 | Priest-of-Psi | ah |
| 17:54.35 | FromTO | is there while loops in lztex |
| 17:54.41 | Priest-of-Psi | valdyn: the opensource ATI driver does not like my card |
| 17:54.44 | FromTO | sorry wrong list |
| 17:54.51 | Priest-of-Psi | and the fglrx driver locks up with compiz |
| 17:54.54 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: just this much: my own experimental software rendered compiz was a custom setup, not debian. |
| 17:54.59 | jharrisonwk | Priest-of-Psi: what card do you have? |
| 17:55.09 | zinx | Priest-of-Psi: the latest released driver doesn't support aiglx afaik |
| 17:55.15 | valdyn | Priest-of-Psi: right, you may want to use software ogl, not direct rendering |
| 17:55.31 | Priest-of-Psi | jharrisonwk: XPress 200M R410 chipset |
| 17:55.34 | Priest-of-Psi | ogl? |
| 17:55.46 | jharrisonwk | opengl |
| 17:55.49 | Priest-of-Psi | I actually do get direct rendering with XGL |
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| 17:55.56 | Priest-of-Psi | with the fglrx driver |
| 17:56.01 | abrotman | 200M is supported by X7.1 iirc |
| 17:56.04 | keith80403 | Caelum, Nothing in man sudo about passing the current environment - you may have to set it manually |
| 17:56.08 | Priest-of-Psi | but as soon as compiz starts it craps over itself |
| 17:56.18 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: there are 3 versions of the 200m |
| 17:56.30 | Priest-of-Psi | the rs48xx and then the r410 |
| 17:56.31 | jharrisonwk | Priest-of-Psi: why did you not get nvidia? |
| 17:56.46 | Priest-of-Psi | jharrisonwk: because the rest of this notebook rocks! |
| 17:56.50 | Priest-of-Psi | 2GB ram |
| 17:56.54 | abrotman | Priest-of-Psi: yes .. but i'm saying that the 7.0 probably didn't support it .. i believe 7.1 incorporates the r300.sf.net stuff |
| 17:56.56 | Priest-of-Psi | 160GB hdd |
| 17:56.57 | Caelum | keith80403: I noticed. I'll expand on what I found here: http://zshwiki.org/home/examples/functions#smart_sudo |
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| 17:57.03 | jharrisonwk | Priest-of-Psi: ok |
| 17:57.21 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: the r300 stuff is supported by the opensource driver |
| 17:57.22 | keith80403 | Caelum, Ok, good luck. |
| 17:57.31 | abrotman | Priest-of-Psi: but yours isn't ? |
| 17:57.34 | Priest-of-Psi | but the 200M R410 is not supported because of memeory issues |
| 17:57.51 | abrotman | not scottish |
| 17:58.34 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: if you can find info on using the opensource driver I would be very interested in hearing that |
| 17:58.40 | Priest-of-Psi | but I doubt it will work |
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| 17:59.20 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: same here |
| 17:59.36 | Priest-of-Psi | I sat the whole of sunday trying to figure out how to get aiglx to work with this card |
| 17:59.40 | Priest-of-Psi | but it refuses |
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| 17:59.52 | Priest-of-Psi | ok I have to admit it was on a crappy distro |
| 17:59.53 | yang | Which is a nice web driven application with mysql for creating a CD records collection? |
| 17:59.58 | IcE-bOy | hi |
| 18:00.17 | IcE-bOy | i'm installing a soft raid 5 from debian cd installation, but in grub install it crash, what could happend ? |
| 18:00.20 | Priest-of-Psi | yang: you could just code it in php |
| 18:00.21 | abrotman | god damn horrible site |
| 18:00.23 | Priest-of-Psi | will be simple |
| 18:00.31 | yang | Priest-of-Psi: i am not a coder |
| 18:01.10 | Spec | I made changes to udev rules in rules.d/, should I reboot or just /etc/init.d/udev restart? |
| 18:01.46 | Priest-of-Psi | Spec: the restart should work |
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| 18:03.40 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: I presume you aint finding any decent information? |
| 18:04.06 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmm |
| 18:04.10 | Priest-of-Psi | maybe with the new mesa |
| 18:04.13 | abrotman | i had to download the source |
| 18:04.24 | Priest-of-Psi | it might work but other then that I can not say much |
| 18:04.53 | Priest-of-Psi | if I can get direct rendering working with this card with the opensource ati driver then compiz would work |
| 18:05.03 | Priest-of-Psi | but other then that its wount be possible |
| 18:05.11 | jharrisonwk | what is compiz |
| 18:05.33 | Priest-of-Psi | jharrisonwk: composite window manager fro wobly windows and stuff |
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| 18:06.03 | abrotman | Priest-of-Psi: lspci | grep -i vga |
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| 18:06.23 | Priest-of-Psi | I have to install pciutils |
| 18:06.24 | Priest-of-Psi | brb |
| 18:06.33 | Priest-of-Psi | just waiting for xorg to install |
| 18:06.43 | Priest-of-Psi | almost done 1 minute or so left |
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| 18:08.11 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: |
| 18:08.12 | Priest-of-Psi | DeeMonical:~# lspci |grep -i vga |
| 18:08.12 | Priest-of-Psi | 01:05.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RC410 [Radeon Xpress 200M] |
| 18:08.20 | jharrisonwk | wobly windows? |
| 18:08.35 | Priest-of-Psi | jharrisonwk: check wikipedia |
| 18:08.39 | zamaliphe | i have just install debian but i need to install kde |
| 18:08.40 | Priest-of-Psi | they have screenshots :D |
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| 18:08.58 | stew | jharrisonwk: search youtube for xgl, and you'll get the idea |
| 18:09.07 | Priest-of-Psi | zamaliphe: apt-get update && apt-get install kde |
| 18:09.24 | abrotman | Radeon XPRESS 200/200M |
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| 18:09.39 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: what chipset? |
| 18:09.42 | Priest-of-Psi | the RS4? |
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| 18:09.53 | abrotman | that's all it says .. you'dhave to compare your lspci -n to the driver |
| 18:10.08 | keko_ | W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 18:10.09 | keko_ | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
| 18:10.10 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: can I paste the output? |
| 18:10.13 | zamaliphe | what is the name of kde desktop |
| 18:10.32 | abrotman | of what ? |
| 18:10.33 | Priest-of-Psi | zamaliphe: I just told you! |
| 18:10.36 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 18:10.36 | dpkg | install kde is probably In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
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| 18:10.46 | keko_ | so whitch is the right marillat address ? |
| 18:11.02 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: to compare with the driver? |
| 18:11.42 | abrotman | Priest-of-Psi: lspci -n | grep 05.0 |
| 18:11.44 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: 5a62 thats the output for the vga |
| 18:11.53 | Priest-of-Psi | DeeMonical:~# lspci -n | grep 05.0 |
| 18:11.54 | Priest-of-Psi | 01:05.0 0300: 1002:5a62 |
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| 18:12.10 | abrotman | #define PCI_CHIP_RC410_5A62 0x5A62 |
| 18:12.19 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmf |
| 18:12.22 | Priest-of-Psi | since when? |
| 18:12.39 | abrotman | this is the 7.1 driver .. atipciids.h |
| 18:12.49 | Priest-of-Psi | let me check |
| 18:12.55 | baldr1 | please, what is the option in the kernel to enable the compilation of the module ip_tables.ko? |
| 18:13.17 | Priest-of-Psi | just off topic |
| 18:13.27 | Priest-of-Psi | is there a way to colour the output of apt-get? |
| 18:13.58 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: have you configure aiglx before? |
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| 18:14.11 | abrotman | nope |
| 18:14.16 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmmm |
| 18:14.26 | Priest-of-Psi | I wonder if etch has beryl packages |
| 18:14.32 | Priest-of-Psi | I could always compile from svn |
| 18:14.36 | abrotman | no ... |
| 18:14.46 | abrotman | afaik .. beryl isn't in debian at all |
| 18:14.56 | stew | not yet |
| 18:14.58 | abrotman | !beryl |
| 18:15.07 | abrotman | well .. yes .. i meant not yet :) |
| 18:15.11 | Priest-of-Psi | stew: I should make packages? |
| 18:15.42 | abrotman | !beryl is a compositing window manager for the X Window System. It is a fork of Compiz. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beryl_(window_manager) |
| 18:15.42 | dpkg | okay, abrotman |
| 18:16.05 | abrotman | !beryl is also http://beryl-project.org/ |
| 18:16.05 | dpkg | abrotman: okay |
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| 18:16.07 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: they are being worked on |
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| 18:17.27 | Priest-of-Psi | abrotman: you know the ATI stuff you found |
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| 18:17.39 | Priest-of-Psi | could you check in there to see if there are anything that mentions aiglx? |
| 18:17.44 | Priest-of-Psi | for the specific chipset |
| 18:17.51 | abrotman | uhm .. check where? .. there are dozens of files .. |
| 18:18.02 | johngillespie | hi all, i'm trying to get Aiglx running on my debian 64bit with an ATI x800 but don't know where to start |
| 18:18.05 | Priest-of-Psi | well I don't really know |
| 18:18.20 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: check the gentoo wiki |
| 18:18.42 | johngillespie | is that really going to help me for debian ? |
| 18:18.48 | Priest-of-Psi | is there a minimal gnome package? |
| 18:19.24 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 18:19.24 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 18:19.47 | Priest-of-Psi | gnome-core is 74mb |
| 18:19.48 | Priest-of-Psi | heh |
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| 18:20.37 | Priest-of-Psi | ok I think xfce is the way to go |
| 18:20.40 | Priest-of-Psi | !install xfce |
| 18:20.42 | Priest-of-Psi | !install xfce4 |
| 18:20.52 | johngillespie | i'm running etch but the version of xorg that i get via apt is 7.0.22... from what i have understood i need a 7.1 |
| 18:20.57 | keko_ | i have a problem with marillat apt sources.list.. W: GPG error: http://debian-multimedia.org etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 |
| 18:21.08 | aramirez | Hi, I'm using Debian sarge kernel 2.6.18 on Intel 915G mtherboard with sound chip High Definition Audio Controler. I enabled CONFIG_SND_HDA_INTEL as a module, bot it dont work. |
| 18:21.10 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: correct |
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| 18:21.21 | stew | keko_: /msg dpkg apt secure ; /msg dpkg marillat key |
| 18:21.27 | Priest-of-Psi | aramirez: modprobe snd_hda_intel |
| 18:21.31 | Priest-of-Psi | and tell me the output |
| 18:21.34 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: are there any unofficial packages around ? |
| 18:21.43 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: for ? |
| 18:21.46 | Crysis | Can I connect my USB mouse and my Ethernet connection while the debian installation ? |
| 18:21.49 | Priest-of-Psi | aiglx? |
| 18:21.52 | johngillespie | yes |
| 18:22.01 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: aiglx is built into Xorg |
| 18:22.09 | Priest-of-Psi | no more packages required |
| 18:22.12 | johngillespie | that i know but only from 7.1 up |
| 18:22.21 | Priest-of-Psi | etch has 7.1 |
| 18:22.34 | Priest-of-Psi | oh it doesnt |
| 18:22.35 | Priest-of-Psi | hmmmm |
| 18:22.36 | row | is application/x-bzip the valid mime type for bzip2 compressed files? |
| 18:22.36 | Crysis | Can I connect my USB mouse and my Ethernet connection while the debian installation ? |
| 18:22.37 | Priest-of-Psi | crazy |
| 18:22.40 | row | or is it application/x-bzip2? |
| 18:22.40 | johngillespie | ^^ |
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| 18:22.52 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: give me a few minutes just install xfce |
| 18:22.58 | johngillespie | np |
| 18:22.58 | Priest-of-Psi | then I will help you |
| 18:23.03 | johngillespie | thanks :D |
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| 18:23.07 | Crysis | Can I connect my USB mouse and my Ethernet connection while the debian installation ?? |
| 18:23.12 | Priest-of-Psi | you going all beryl on this stuff? |
| 18:23.18 | johngillespie | yes |
| 18:23.22 | Priest-of-Psi | same here |
| 18:23.23 | johngillespie | i'd like to |
| 18:23.32 | Priest-of-Psi | seeing as my card is so broken in xorg 7.1 |
| 18:23.33 | cahoot | aramirez, snd-hda-intel is loaded? |
| 18:23.45 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: what video card do u have ? |
| 18:23.48 | Priest-of-Psi | cahoot: I said that already |
| 18:23.55 | ZiRo | "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" Damn, thats what I was looking for... where can i find it? |
| 18:24.05 | Priest-of-Psi | #define PCI_CHIP_RC410_5A62 |
| 18:24.05 | ZiRo | :D |
| 18:24.26 | keko_ | stew, cool working now apt.list :) |
| 18:24.47 | keko_ | so now just aptitude install marillat and it install it complet with codecs etc.. ? |
| 18:25.03 | Crysis | Can I connect my USB mouse and my Ethernet connection while the debian installation ?? |
| 18:25.05 | baldr1 | please, what is the option in the kernel to enable the compilation of the module ip_tables.ko? |
| 18:25.25 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: ATI XPRESS 200M |
| 18:25.30 | Crysis | Can I connect my USB mouse and my Ethernet connection while the debian installation ?? |
| 18:25.35 | aramirez | lsmod showme this snd_hda_intel 19988 0 |
| 18:25.38 | Priest-of-Psi | Crysis: stop repeating! |
| 18:25.43 | Crysis | answer ^^ |
| 18:25.49 | row | lol how rude. |
| 18:25.50 | Priest-of-Psi | no |
| 18:25.57 | Priest-of-Psi | I refuse to answer now |
| 18:26.07 | stew | Crysis: yes |
| 18:26.12 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: ok, as i said earlier i'm using a X800 Pro with Debian Etch 64bit (precompiled kernel) |
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| 18:26.29 | Crysis | ok thanks stew |
| 18:26.29 | Priest-of-Psi | also Etch here |
| 18:26.31 | keko_ | how to install marillat completly |
| 18:26.45 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: which drivers did u install ? the official ones or the open source ones ? |
| 18:26.47 | stew | keko_: you dont' want to install everything from marillat |
| 18:26.57 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: opensource ones for now |
| 18:27.00 | aramirez | cahoot, yes it is loaded as i run lsmod, snd_hda_intel 19988 0 |
| 18:27.01 | Crysis | stew and after for installation of KDE for the mouse I select USB port ? |
| 18:27.11 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: ok |
| 18:27.14 | stew | Crysis: use /dev/input/mice |
| 18:27.14 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: brb |
| 18:27.20 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: ok |
| 18:27.32 | cahoot | aramirez, can you run alsamixer? |
| 18:27.50 | aramirez | cahoot, yes i can |
| 18:27.59 | Crysis | stew it is USB connect I use /dev/input/mice with USB ? |
| 18:28.14 | stew | Crysis: yes, use it no matter what mouse you have |
| 18:28.15 | cahoot | aramirez, unmuted and set output levels? |
| 18:28.17 | keko_ | stew, so what combination is good with xfce ? |
| 18:28.22 | Crysis | ok stew :) |
| 18:28.38 | aramirez | cahoot, let me checkout |
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| 18:29.56 | Priest-of-Psi | ok back |
| 18:30.13 | Priest-of-Psi | just got into xfce |
| 18:30.17 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: how far have u got with u'r setup ? have u managed to get it working ? |
| 18:30.18 | johngillespie | ah ok |
| 18:30.40 | stew | keko_: it depends on what you are trying to do |
| 18:30.46 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: checking for aiglx atm |
| 18:30.53 | Priest-of-Psi | just going through the logs |
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| 18:31.19 | keko_ | mplayer!! mplayer im trying to do ÖD |
| 18:31.34 | johngillespie | ok, did u use sid packages for Xorg ? |
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| 18:32.57 | Priest-of-Psi | 2006-09-24 21:59 -> Xorg 7.1 made its way into unstable earlier this past week, |
| 18:33.02 | Priest-of-Psi | so why aint it in testing? |
| 18:33.20 | aramirez | cahoot, it was mutted, now it is working, thanks a lot |
| 18:33.33 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: /msg dpkg why is xserver-xorg not in testing |
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| 18:33.40 | JordiGH | Uh, I would expect it takes longer than a week for stuff in unstable to trickle down to testing. |
| 18:33.43 | johngillespie | hasn't made it to testing yet |
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| 18:33.47 | hans0lo | I'm trying to remove courier mail. dpkg is spouting errors and won't remove the packages. Is there a way to just make it delete the program, reguardless? |
| 18:33.55 | johngillespie | maybe i should try using sid packaged |
| 18:33.58 | cahoot | aramirez, you want to install alsa-utils |
| 18:34.01 | johngillespie | *packages |
| 18:34.12 | stew | hans0lo: put the errors into a pastebin |
| 18:34.25 | keko_ | longlive dpkg!! =) |
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| 18:34.30 | Bhavesh | can some of the helpful people please move to #postfix? |
| 18:34.31 | aramirez | cahoot, it is installed |
| 18:34.42 | hans0lo | stew: is pastebin a channel? |
| 18:34.49 | stew | !pastebin |
| 18:34.49 | dpkg | i heard pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 18:35.36 | hans0lo | stew: pasted. |
| 18:35.39 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xserver-xorg |
| 18:35.52 | hans0lo | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4076 |
| 18:36.10 | JordiGH | Hrrrmm... printing from Konqui works, but not from Firefox. Firefox prints the whole thing six times. And gets the wrong paper size, but so does Konqui. Harumph. |
| 18:36.23 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: so tomorrow it should hopefully go in |
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| 18:36.51 | Priest-of-Psi | yes we hope |
| 18:37.15 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: pm me |
| 18:37.18 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: are you going to wait for it to enter testing or are u going to try it tonight ? |
| 18:37.44 | stew | hans0lo: edit /etc/init.d/courier-authdaemon ; add "exit 0" as the second line (right after the shebang) |
| 18:37.59 | JordiGH | dpkg, amuse me |
| 18:38.09 | JordiGH | !qotd |
| 18:38.09 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
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| 18:39.01 | hans0lo | stew: sweet, that worked. thanks! |
| 18:39.15 | JordiGH | ~greet me |
| 18:39.17 | apt | ACTION dumps a bucket of cold oatmeal on jordigh |
| 18:39.28 | JordiGH | :-( |
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| 18:41.06 | keko_ | any torrent software for debian ?? |
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| 18:41.21 | johngillespie | azureus ? |
| 18:41.22 | keko_ | =) |
| 18:41.38 | keko_ | wow is that also in linux ? |
| 18:41.41 | JordiGH | keko_: apt-cache search torrent |
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| 18:41.53 | johngillespie | keko_: it's java based so yes |
| 18:42.33 | stew | keko_: rtorrent |
| 18:42.34 | dfx- | I'm not real sure where to start, but I just recently upgraded from xfree86 to xorg. I used to have a slategray tint to my mrxvt terminal and now that color seems white. is there anything I can look at to potentially fix my problem? |
| 18:42.43 | JordiGH | I thought torrents were originally an idea here in People's Liberated Debian Republic. |
| 18:42.55 | Priest-of-Psi | can we upgrade from testing to unstable btw? |
| 18:42.59 | jelly-home | JordiGH: huh? |
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| 18:43.24 | JordiGH | jelly-home: Well, not Debian specifically, but I thought torrents originated in the free software world. Am I off the mark? |
| 18:44.04 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: what i've done is just change my apt sources.list, apt-upgrade and apt-get install :) |
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| 18:44.07 | JordiGH | Priest-of-Psi: "upgrade" is a curious word to use there. Yes, you can do dist-upgrade, but bear in mind that you're using a distribution whose name refers to a kid who likes to break toys for fun. |
| 18:44.08 | Con-fuze-ed | How do I determine the device name for eth0 |
| 18:44.16 | sobersabre | hi guys. |
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| 18:44.32 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: i wouldn't do a dist-upgrade if i were u |
| 18:44.35 | kelt | how can I get fortunes to work in debian? I did an apt-get install fortunes |
| 18:44.37 | johngillespie | not on unstable |
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| 18:44.50 | keko_ | !tell Con-fuze-ed about interfaces |
| 18:44.53 | Priest-of-Psi | yeah I figured that |
| 18:44.53 | keko_ | =) |
| 18:45.02 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: I dont get you pm's btw |
| 18:45.20 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: u asked me to pm you so i did |
| 18:45.27 | Priest-of-Psi | oh |
| 18:45.35 | Priest-of-Psi | I should have asked you to say something? |
| 18:45.36 | Priest-of-Psi | : |
| 18:45.38 | Priest-of-Psi | :P |
| 18:45.40 | stew | Con-fuze-ed: the device name for eth0? is eth0 |
| 18:45.46 | JordiGH | kelt: Just type "fortune", assuming /usr/games is in your path (it won't be if you're root). |
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| 18:45.54 | johngillespie | ati is really crap under linux :/ |
| 18:46.17 | keko_ | ifup/ifdown eth0 |
| 18:46.21 | Con-fuze-ed | keko_: I know all of that.. but for network monitor it wants the network device name and just entering eth0 doesn't seem to work... it may be another issue alltogether though |
| 18:46.24 | Priest-of-Psi | I think we can upgrade to xorg 7.1 but hacking into the unstable stuff |
| 18:46.25 | JordiGH | Presumably root shouldn't be playing games. ;-) |
| 18:46.33 | jelly-home | JordiGH: well, I think torrent originated in the author's head. The fact that he licensed the original client under a dfsg compliant license has nothing to do with free software world (whatever that might be). |
| 18:46.33 | kelt | oh okay jordiGH, well I did a man fortune and it said that the datafiles were in /usr/share/games/ |
| 18:46.35 | redrain | Hi, I've asked #apache but couldn't get any idea. I use apache 1.3 on sarge and I'm trying to protect a dir. Same files works on my desktop machine but on the server I'm working on I can access without any promt. Where could be the problem? |
| 18:46.39 | kelt | thanks JordiGH |
| 18:46.51 | keko_ | aa aaight :) |
| 18:47.10 | Priest-of-Psi | I would actually have tought that testing should have xorg 7.1 first before unstable |
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| 18:47.37 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: you want to try this? |
| 18:47.43 | Con-fuze-ed | keko_: I thought that just maybe, eth0 referenced an actual network device in /dev or something. |
| 18:47.44 | JordiGH | jelly-home: There's "us" and there's "them". Torrents are an "us" thing that "them" heathens have corrupted to their own devices. ;-) |
| 18:47.52 | Priest-of-Psi | johngillespie: deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian unstable main contrib |
| 18:47.57 | Priest-of-Psi | add that to sources-lift |
| 18:47.58 | stew | Priest-of-Psi: all packages have to be in unstable before they enter testing |
| 18:47.59 | Priest-of-Psi | list even |
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| 18:48.08 | Priest-of-Psi | and apt-get update && apt-get install xorg |
| 18:48.12 | jelly-home | JordiGH: nope, there's no us. ;-) |
| 18:48.20 | Priest-of-Psi | I dont really want to do that |
| 18:48.25 | Priest-of-Psi | because it might just break stuff |
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| 18:48.34 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: i just did it :p |
| 18:48.43 | Priest-of-Psi | and? |
| 18:48.46 | keko_ | Con-fuze-ed, !knife eth0 |
| 18:48.47 | Priest-of-Psi | 7.1 works? |
| 18:49.01 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: xstart opens |
| 18:49.04 | JordiGH | I run a mixed testing/unstable system, which apparently is a terrible idea, but works well for me... if you don't count this printer problem I'm having right now, that is. |
| 18:49.09 | Priest-of-Psi | do X -version |
| 18:49.20 | johngillespie | 7.1.1 |
| 18:49.24 | Priest-of-Psi | wohooooooo |
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| 18:49.29 | Priest-of-Psi | we are teh shiz man! |
| 18:49.29 | johngillespie | hehehe |
| 18:49.30 | lopa | do you guys have man ssh-keygen ? |
| 18:49.33 | keko_ | :> |
| 18:49.34 | JordiGH | jelly-home: There's "uses", then. BSD is one "us", Ubuntu another, etc. ;-) |
| 18:49.45 | Priest-of-Psi | remove that url from the source-list tho |
| 18:49.51 | johngillespie | yep |
| 18:49.53 | lopa | ? |
| 18:50.18 | johngillespie | cooooll beryl is in testing too :) |
| 18:50.24 | johngillespie | i'll have that too :D |
| 18:50.45 | vithos | lopa: i do, but i installed the ssh package |
| 18:50.54 | stew | johngillespie: beryl isn't in debian yet |
| 18:51.05 | johngillespie | stew: it is in sid :D |
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| 18:51.14 | jelly-home | JordiGH: well, there's no one community that bittorrent got created in. It's an idea of the author, Bram Cohen. |
| 18:51.31 | Alley^Away | hmm how do I install Apache2 source? |
| 18:51.32 | johngillespie | oups shit |
| 18:51.34 | johngillespie | not sure |
| 18:51.57 | stew | johngillespie: its not |
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| 18:52.41 | JordiGH | Bram Cohen... what's the name of the dude with the cryptography who dresses in black and everyone has polarised opinions about? |
| 18:52.55 | muh2000 | "cannot load a ramdisk with an old kernel image" what does this mean? i created a initrd while compiling the kernel they have both the same serial# |
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| 18:53.12 | lopa | where would I find ssh? ssh isnt in init.d |
| 18:53.26 | streuner | apt-get install ssh |
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| 18:53.44 | lopa | sshd: command not found |
| 18:53.46 | lopa | I have it |
| 18:53.52 | lopa | I just dont know hwere:/ |
| 18:54.16 | stew | lopa: "dpkg -L packagename" or "dpkg -L packagename | grep bin" |
| 18:54.25 | stew | lopa: but in general daemons are going to be in /usr/sbin/ or /sbin/ |
| 18:55.08 | wols_ | lopa: if you installed a debian ssh package, I'm a bit baffled that there's no /etc/init.d/ssh |
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| 18:56.37 | NiklasH_work | hi, i'm having a problem that i don't know how to start solving: i have a file/media/dns/dhcp server that has a network interface that suddenly slows down to a crawl. Ping times > 1 sec. restarting negotiation (with mii-tool) doesn't help, only /etc/init.d/networking restart. Anyone have a clue where to start looking? As it is now, I have cronjob that restarts networking every night, but that doesn't feel very safe |
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| 18:58.05 | wols_ | you sure the server isn't doing anything else when it starts crawling? like a runaway process eating all cpu or spamming the network interface with crap? |
| 18:58.51 | NiklasH_work | i don't see any processes when i log on to it when it's slow, so i don't think so. besides, restarting the network shouldn't help in that case, or am i wrong? |
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| 18:59.56 | NiklasH_work | could a network card that's going bad give these symptoms? |
| 19:00.14 | pelzi_ | it is possible, but rare. |
| 19:00.24 | pelzi_ | I've never seen a failed network card. |
| 19:01.14 | wols_ | I have |
| 19:01.14 | NiklasH_work | me neither. and if it's failing, it should stop responding altogether, at least sometimes. but i can always contact the box, even if it takes some time |
| 19:01.25 | wols_ | often RX or TX is just dying |
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| 19:01.31 | Alley^Away | pelzi_: let me have your address, and I'll ship you a handfull ^_^ |
| 19:01.42 | pelzi_ | realteks? |
| 19:01.58 | wols_ | NiklasH_work: depends if the process is network related. and it might be a normal process which is always running or one of its subprocesses |
| 19:02.01 | pelzi_ | ok, I've seen thunder-obliterated ones, but not ones that have just failed. |
| 19:02.06 | vithos | NiklasH_work: you could check resource usage with dstat and atop next time it happens |
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| 19:02.18 | wols_ | pelzi_: how did you guss? natsemis too :) |
| 19:03.01 | wols_ | in fact realteks are ok. nothing special but usable |
| 19:03.01 | pelzi_ | and slow (and they have terrible problems with cisco switches) |
| 19:03.01 | wols_ | NiklasH_work: and iptraf for the network interface |
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| 19:03.02 | pelzi_ | still, usually realtek works. |
| 19:03.02 | x_link | wols_: Realteks = sound or network cards ? I always forget |
| 19:03.05 | wols_ | yes. that's what I like about them: they just work |
| 19:03.08 | pelzi_ | I just have a pile of 3c905's and so I use them. |
| 19:03.11 | pelzi_ | realtek makes both |
| 19:03.14 | wols_ | x_link: both. sound only onboard DACs |
| 19:03.18 | x_link | Okey. |
| 19:03.38 | wols_ | I hadte 3com. their naming is out of this world. it's shit beyond belief |
| 19:03.46 | wols_ | you never know which driver |
| 19:03.51 | pelzi_ | realtek stuff works but the windows drivers are awful and the cpu usage is high |
| 19:03.55 | NiklasH_work | thanks, i'll check with those next time it goes down. i'll come back here and bother you again if i don't find anything ;) |
| 19:04.04 | JordiGH | Ack. I can't believe people would willingly mutilate their own websites with intellitxt. Does the Iceweasel Adblock extension get rid of it? |
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| 19:04.16 | wols_ | windows by now has onboard NICs everywhere |
| 19:04.26 | wols_ | JordiGH: it can, yes |
| 19:04.32 | pelzi_ | umm, I have only 2 kinds of 3Coms, which use 2 kinds of modules. |
| 19:04.41 | wols_ | JordiGH: it loads a javascript from intellitxt domain. block it. no more crap |
| 19:04.47 | Alley^Away | pelzi_: I have a bunch, most from family having vacuum cleaned a bit too close, the static seems to get them every time... 029, 8039 mailny |
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| 19:04.57 | Alley^Away | 8029* |
| 19:05.03 | Alley^Away | mainly* |
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| 19:05.05 | pelzi_ | the nics are fine, and finding drivers for win* is no problem. |
| 19:05.06 | Alley^Away | jeez |
| 19:05.06 | JordiGH | All these extensions for Iceweasel (trying to get comfy with the word), sometimes they aren't free, eh? |
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| 19:05.07 | pelzi_ | ok. |
| 19:05.08 | GoAuLd | whats the best irc client? |
| 19:05.16 | Maulkin | graphical or terminal? |
| 19:05.19 | pelzi_ | irssi (no war please) |
| 19:05.20 | GoAuLd | grafical |
| 19:05.23 | Maulkin | xchat |
| 19:05.25 | JordiGH | BitchX |
| 19:05.25 | wols_ | my old 8029 work fine (ok for DSL access), but the 8139 bite the bullet :) |
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| 19:05.40 | jharrisonwk | irssi rules |
| 19:05.42 | pelzi_ | 3Com switches suck, though. |
| 19:05.45 | tarzeau | GoAuLd: talksoup.app |
| 19:05.47 | GoAuLd | i saw konversation in the web and looks good |
| 19:05.49 | JordiGH | GoAuLd: Graphical, I like Kopete or Ksirc. |
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| 19:06.04 | JordiGH | Woohoo! A KDE enthusiast! |
| 19:06.05 | pelzi_ | the webgui is horrible, the CLI is even worse. and 40 DAYS is a pathetic uptime for a switch. |
| 19:06.16 | GoAuLd | ksirc looks very messed up and complicated :( |
| 19:06.55 | JordiGH | Meh. I think I use xchat. |
| 19:06.56 | jharrisonwk | 40 days? |
| 19:07.02 | pelzi_ | honestly, even realtek switches Just Work, but the 3coms need rebooting and are just major pains in the ass. |
| 19:07.37 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:07.37 | dpkg | well, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 19:07.39 | Alley^Away | well they gotta give you something for the amount of money they charge :) |
| 19:08.04 | stew | dpkg: popcon =~ s/-plow // |
| 19:08.04 | dpkg | OK, stew |
| 19:08.21 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: greetings |
| 19:08.35 | JordiGH | What does -plow do? |
| 19:08.36 | keko_ | i just installed mplayer how to start it with grphical interface |
| 19:08.46 | wols_ | show low priority questions |
| 19:08.46 | jharrisonwk | JordiGH: plows stuff |
| 19:08.54 | wols_ | that too |
| 19:09.03 | JordiGH | wtf plow |
| 19:09.09 | wols_ | you get a bonus if you enter "Mr. Plow" |
| 19:09.13 | JordiGH | Oh, low priorirty. |
| 19:09.19 | jharrisonwk | JordiGH: plow == priority low |
| 19:09.21 | tarzeau | hello jharrisonwk |
| 19:09.22 | jharrisonwk | I guess |
| 19:09.27 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: howdy |
| 19:09.48 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: running debian/kbsd? |
| 19:09.57 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: very good, yourself? |
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| 19:10.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yes i run debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:10.22 | stew | JordiGH: when running dpkg-reconfigure, -plow does nothing, which is why i removed it |
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| 19:11.18 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: doing well |
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| 19:11.28 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: do they have an installer now days? |
| 19:11.36 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: they've always had one |
| 19:11.39 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: I might run it in a qemu now |
| 19:11.47 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: just not the linux specific debian-installer |
| 19:11.53 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: or maybe I should run it on an alpha |
| 19:11.55 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it's not fun on qemu |
| 19:12.02 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: why not |
| 19:12.02 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: it's only for i386 and amd64 |
| 19:12.08 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: that sucks |
| 19:12.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: because it's not very portable? |
| 19:12.20 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: yeah unportable software sucks |
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| 19:12.28 | wols_ | BSD not portable? wow |
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| 19:12.38 | tarzeau | wols_: the debian-installer |
| 19:12.43 | wols_ | ah |
| 19:12.55 | tarzeau | wols_: there's quite some stuff in debian that is not portable |
| 19:13.03 | wols_ | that indeed sucks. couldn't they use an old linux installer from debian? |
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| 19:13.14 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: check this out |
| 19:13.17 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: http://www.linuxbs.org/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1885&g2_imageViewsIndex=2 |
| 19:13.31 | wols_ | of course there is still the manpower thing |
| 19:13.31 | tarzeau | wols_: you know all installers before d-i 3.0 sucked even more |
| 19:13.40 | tarzeau | wols_: it's not like they don't have an installer |
| 19:13.41 | wols_ | lies. all lies! |
| 19:13.44 | tarzeau | wols_: they do. the freebsd one |
| 19:14.12 | tarzeau | jharrisonwk: LOL? :) |
| 19:14.19 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: yeah its funny |
| 19:14.25 | tarzeau | wols_: oh gnu/kfreebsd has apt and dpkg... |
| 19:14.30 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: laughing at it is good |
| 19:14.35 | JordiGH | Heh. dselect. Back in '02, my first Debian install. Which I thought was for newbies. :-) |
| 19:14.36 | tarzeau | wols_: any debian guy who can operate apt can run debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 19:15.03 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: ill run it on qemu |
| 19:15.10 | tarzeau | JordiGH: don't laugh, but when i had redhat/suse and switched to debian like in 1999 |
| 19:15.25 | jharrisonwk | tarzeau: if its not fun ill wait till I get an am2 machine and run it in xen |
| 19:15.29 | tarzeau | i hated dselect, and i hated to download the .deb files and its dependencies tehn running dpkg -i on them |
| 19:15.36 | tarzeau | (indeed i didn't know about apt) |
| 19:15.49 | GoAuLd | konversation is kool |
| 19:15.51 | GoAuLd | :) |
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| 19:15.54 | tarzeau | (you can guess/imagine how much happy i was when i found out about it) |
| 19:15.55 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Uh, didn't dselect do that back then? |
| 19:15.56 | wols_ | when was apt integrated in debian? |
| 19:15.57 | JordiGH | !kde |
| 19:15.58 | dpkg | [kde] a desktop environment based on the Qt toolkit. See http://www.kde.org for release news and other details, or not a window manager, or ask your questions about it in #debian-kde |
| 19:16.00 | JordiGH | kde! |
| 19:16.05 | tarzeau | JordiGH: i didn't like deselct |
| 19:16.20 | jharrisonwk | deselect makes me feel strange |
| 19:16.22 | wols_ | did 2.1 have it? |
| 19:16.24 | JordiGH | tarzeau: Well, when did we get apt? I thought it was 1998 or so. |
| 19:16.32 | jharrisonwk | dselect rather |
| 19:16.38 | tarzeau | JordiGH: no idea, i started with potato (switched very soon over to sid) |
| 19:16.43 | jharrisonwk | or whatever way you want to spell it |
| 19:16.52 | wols_ | tarzeau: same here |
| 19:16.55 | tarzeau | and aptitude? |
| 19:16.57 | JordiGH | jharrisonwk: I'm guessing it's Debian Select. |
| 19:17.04 | JordiGH | !apt |
| 19:17.04 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apt is Advanced Packaging Tool, a package management system used by Debian and its derivatives. There is no apt program per se; APT is a C++ library of functions that are used by several command line programs for dealing with packages, most notably apt-get and apt-cache. see also <apt-get> <apt-cache> |
| 19:17.04 | jharrisonwk | JordiGH: sure |
| 19:17.05 | wols_ | no sid, only dialup back then |
| 19:17.15 | wols_ | aptitude is much later than apt |
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| 19:17.37 | JordiGH | !apt-get |
| 19:17.37 | dpkg | rumour has it, apt-get is "apt-get install synaptic" for gui "apt-get install aptitude" for curses or just use apt-get command line. apt-get is a program part of the apt package used as a simple command line tool to libapt. apt-get is the most used front-end for apt. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/apt-howto/ see also <apt> <apt-cache> <synaptic> <aptitude> |
| 19:17.47 | jharrisonwk | gui? |
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| 19:18.06 | wols_ | 1998. in 2.1 |
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| 19:18.10 | jharrisonwk | gui == ttyX? |
| 19:18.15 | JordiGH | Yeah, synaptic is a nice gui for apt-get. Aptitude also is a gui in its own way. ~:) |
| 19:18.16 | wols_ | damn. and I used dslect only with it :( |
| 19:18.31 | wols_ | is there a game in synaptic? |
| 19:18.43 | Anarka | yep mines or something |
| 19:18.50 | Anarka | ooops |
| 19:18.50 | wols_ | saving grace :) |
| 19:18.51 | JordiGH | In synaptic? |
| 19:18.55 | Anarka | i meant in aptitude :) |
| 19:18.59 | wols_ | ah |
| 19:19.11 | jharrisonwk | aptitude has a gui? |
| 19:19.11 | wols_ | so no game? lame! |
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| 19:19.17 | Anarka | only used synaptics a couple of times |
| 19:19.22 | Anarka | jharrisonwk ncurses gui |
| 19:19.24 | jharrisonwk | what is a gui? |
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| 19:19.34 | JordiGH | jharrisonwk: Well, you can use a mouse in aptitude. That's a gui as far as I'm concerned. ~:) |
| 19:19.42 | jharrisonwk | ppffttt |
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| 19:19.49 | jharrisonwk | all you need is a keyboard |
| 19:20.06 | jharrisonwk | ascii is a gui |
| 19:20.09 | wols_ | jharrisonwk: with a single key. morse ftw! |
| 19:20.18 | jharrisonwk | just play a movie with mplayer aalib |
| 19:20.19 | jharrisonwk | :-P |
| 19:20.22 | JordiGH | jharrisonwk: But I like the mouse! Unless I'm actually working with text (e.g. chatting, coding) |
| 19:20.23 | wols_ | alternatively: punchcards |
| 19:20.35 | helo | can someone recommend an automated failover system for linux servers which allows custom-written availability tests? |
| 19:20.38 | Kurt2 | you know when you first configure aptitude/apt-get at installation... there is a list of a whole bunch of apt mirrors.... where is that list stored? |
| 19:20.52 | jharrisonwk | helo: automated failover? |
| 19:20.56 | jharrisonwk | helo: what do you mean? |
| 19:21.04 | jharrisonwk | helo: like for high availability? |
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| 19:21.12 | Kurt2 | hmmm |
| 19:21.17 | helo | yes, exactly |
| 19:21.25 | jharrisonwk | helo: like ip sharing, website dont go down, etc...? |
| 19:21.26 | stew | helo: look at the heartbeat package, read the docs on ultramonkey.org |
| 19:21.35 | jharrisonwk | helo: linux-ha.org |
| 19:21.37 | Kurt2 | anybody know? |
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| 19:21.53 | stew | Kurt2: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 19:22.01 | jharrisonwk | helo: heartbeat works very well and I use it in production |
| 19:22.05 | Nopalin | anybody know how to print classpath generated by ant in a task? |
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| 19:22.19 | Kurt2 | but where is that list sotred on the CD and computer? |
| 19:22.22 | dfx- | what is the difference between linux-image and kernel-image? |
| 19:22.23 | jharrisonwk | helo: a system fails and the ip is switched to another machine along with webserver, database or whatever else you like |
| 19:22.23 | Kurt2 | stored |
| 19:22.29 | jharrisonwk | helo: high availability |
| 19:22.30 | tarzeau | dfx-: the later is outdated |
| 19:22.34 | tarzeau | latter |
| 19:22.38 | dfx- | tarzeau: so use linux-image? |
| 19:22.39 | jayeola | hey chaps. i installed etch over a wireless networl. all ok. but my eth0 is a wireless device. how can i change this so that it's a wired network again? |
| 19:22.42 | tarzeau | dfx-: yes |
| 19:22.45 | dfx- | tarzeau: thanks |
| 19:22.49 | stew | Nopalin: ask ##java |
| 19:22.59 | Nopalin | thanks |
| 19:23.09 | Nopalin | i need identifier |
| 19:23.10 | jharrisonwk | helo: you can also do cool things with LVS |
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| 19:23.26 | signuts | Hey folks, where do I find the 'strings' command? |
| 19:23.32 | stew | Nopalin: /msg NickServ help |
| 19:23.40 | signuts | I thought it would be textutils but i'm not sure |
| 19:23.55 | stew | signuts: in /usr/bin or in the binutils package |
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| 19:23.56 | jharrisonwk | helo: like load balancing etc... where you have several servers all load balanced and if one dies it doesnt matter cause the others in the cluster take the extra work till the failed node is fixed |
| 19:24.22 | signuts | stew, thx a ton |
| 19:24.29 | sobersabre | is anybody here familiar with the CMS ( web based ) variety ? |
| 19:24.33 | Kurt2 | ascii to network |
| 19:24.36 | zinx | that's failover not load balancing |
| 19:24.38 | Kurt2 | aton() |
| 19:24.53 | zinx | load balancing just distributes the load, it doesn't know when something's died :/ |
| 19:24.55 | sobersabre | I need s certauin set of features, but i am getting lost in so many options... |
| 19:25.01 | jharrisonwk | zinx: sure it does |
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| 19:25.10 | dan2 | abrotman: yo |
| 19:25.11 | Priest-of-Psi | please tell me someone here has the rezlooks theme for gtk2 etch? |
| 19:25.11 | dan2 | asg: yo |
| 19:25.30 | zinx | jharrisonwk: no, like i said, that's something else |
| 19:25.41 | zinx | jharrisonwk: different "technology" |
| 19:25.42 | jharrisonwk | zinx: it knows when a service does not respond and so to take the failed service out of the cluster and to redistrubute the load to the rest that are up |
| 19:25.43 | Kurt2 | inet_aton() |
| 19:25.52 | zinx | jharrisonwk: and that's called failover. |
| 19:26.33 | jharrisonwk | zinx: ok whatever you say |
| 19:27.19 | JordiGH | Hm, Blockstackers Intergalactic (remember them? they were associated with slashdot at one point) run Debian... and apparently, nothing else: http://blockstackers.com |
| 19:27.20 | zinx | jharrisonwk: the distribution is load balancing, the using the other servers and not the failed one is failover :D |
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| 19:27.38 | zinx | jharrisonwk: you don't automatically get one when you have the other. |
| 19:27.46 | helo | jharrisonwk: sorry ran off for a minute... thanks, i'll look into heartbeat |
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| 19:27.53 | jharrisonwk | zinx: yes I know but I dont care about pointing out small technicalities |
| 19:27.59 | zinx | jharrisonwk: for instance, a common form of load balancing is a round-robin DNS, that gives you zero failover. |
| 19:28.15 | jharrisonwk | zinx: yes you dont have to tell me I know |
| 19:28.19 | stew | can we all live with fault tollerant load balancing? |
| 19:28.30 | jharrisonwk | stew: yes I think so |
| 19:28.35 | zinx | stew: sure |
| 19:28.42 | stew | yay! lets move on :) |
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| 19:29.22 | stew | one of you was supposed to say "not tollerant, but tolerant" |
| 19:29.30 | zinx | haha |
| 19:29.34 | helo | i was waiting on you |
| 19:29.44 | zinx | #debian is losing its edge :( |
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| 19:30.49 | jharrisonwk | there is also weighted round robin, least connection, shortest expected delay and more |
| 19:31.13 | jharrisonwk | and sure when a node fails it is taken from the list of available nodes |
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| 19:31.55 | jharrisonwk | I view failover more as in a heartbeat configuration where you have services running on one server and if the server fails it fails over to the secondary server |
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| 19:32.15 | jharrisonwk | but that term can be used for all those situations I would say |
| 19:32.44 | abrotman | dan2: hi |
| 19:32.51 | Bhavesh | no really |
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| 19:34.09 | Charminthemoose | what character is etch in toy story? |
| 19:34.26 | JordiGH | etch-a-sketch |
| 19:35.13 | jyoungxx | is there a portage GUI package? |
| 19:35.15 | Althaser | ehe |
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| 19:35.22 | Bhavesh | etch-a-scatch |
| 19:35.22 | jyoungxx | whoops wrong channel |
| 19:35.30 | Bhavesh | duh |
| 19:35.32 | Bhavesh | can't spell |
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| 19:36.01 | Bhavesh | can we have some helpful people who know postfix move to #postfix? |
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| 19:36.37 | Bhavesh | so i can ask postfix question? |
| 19:37.30 | lFke | can k3b burn .cue/.bin ? |
| 19:37.44 | JordiGH | http://www.e-moka.net/contenuti/images/debian_toy_story/big/etch-1.jpg |
| 19:38.22 | Priest-of-Psi | can someone package rezlooks for etch? |
| 19:38.44 | GoAuLd | what is that |
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| 19:38.59 | Priest-of-Psi | rezlooks gtk engine |
| 19:39.00 | Priest-of-Psi | it rocks |
| 19:39.02 | vithos | can someone recommend a dialup modem for linux? it seems my winmodem takes the name quite literally |
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| 19:39.43 | benkong2 | Can someone tell me why I can su to rot but kde su says incorrect password for all things? |
| 19:39.55 | benkong2 | Can someone tell me why I can su to root but kde su says incorrect password for all things? ^^ |
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| 19:41.15 | nite613_ | Is there a way (like through sysctl) to turn off devfs in the kernel if I'm not using it? |
| 19:41.17 | JordiGH | benkong2: How odd. You've tried your ordinary user password too? |
| 19:41.29 | benkong2 | nite613_: yes |
| 19:41.29 | nite613_ | after compile/boot I mean. A runtime option |
| 19:41.42 | benkong2 | I can open a terminal su to root and then run synaptic |
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| 19:42.16 | JordiGH | benkong2: you mean sux, right? |
| 19:42.18 | JordiGH | !info sux |
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| 19:42.26 | benkong2 | I do su - |
| 19:42.28 | skh | hi there |
| 19:42.29 | Priest-of-Psi | what package contains GTK+-2.8 in etch? |
| 19:42.32 | dpkg | sux: (wrapper around su which will transfer your X credentials), section admin, is optional. Version: 1.0.1-3.2 (sid), Packaged size: 8 kB, Installed size: 64 kB |
| 19:42.48 | skh | im trying to get to run subversion but as as soon as i apt-get libapache2-svn and try apache2ctl -t it tells me about unresolved symbols in libsvn_fs_base-1.so.0 google doesnt really help so im a bit out of ideas so could anybody give me a hint? |
| 19:42.54 | nite613_ | denmaeth: How? |
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| 19:43.02 | benkong2 | JordiGH: never heard of sux |
| 19:43.18 | Braindead | !tell benkong2 about sux |
| 19:43.25 | benkong2 | JordiGH: however is there a tweak somewhere or config file that I can check? |
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| 19:43.42 | JordiGH | benkong2: It's just a tiny wrapper script. Anyways, KDE usually prints the command it tries to run before it asks for your admin password. |
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| 19:43.45 | benkong2 | Braindead: reading thanks |
| 19:44.05 | JordiGH | Oh, but it doesn't say if it's using sudo or su or whatever. :-/ |
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| 19:44.22 | benkong2 | True it does print the command and using that command results in an incorrect password error messae |
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| 19:44.37 | benkong2 | but if I su to root and then run the command no problem. |
| 19:44.41 | JordiGH | benkong2: Have you tried your ordinary user password? Not the root password? |
| 19:45.02 | benkong2 | JordiGH: yes I have...as a matter of fact they are both the same. |
| 19:45.21 | JordiGH | Hmmm... |
| 19:45.38 | benkong2 | maybe I should give root a different password |
| 19:45.39 | JordiGH | I *think* I ran into a similar thing a while back. It was a KDE bug. |
| 19:46.16 | JordiGH | It's debatable whether anything is more secure by using different passwords for yourself and for root. |
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| 19:46.22 | intx | anyone know if any security holes were fixed from linux 2.6.18 to 2.6.18.1? |
| 19:46.53 | cydork | intx, check the changelog. |
| 19:46.54 | cahoot | intx, read the log on lkml.org |
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| 19:48.32 | benkong2 | JordiGH: While I am not running Ubuntu...Thinks this may be a solution? http://www.terminally-incoherent.com/blog/2006/01/20/kdesu-bug-in-kubuntu-fixed/ |
| 19:48.39 | intx | doesn't seem to look like it from the changelog, but then I'm not a kernel programmer or expert :P |
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| 19:51.40 | JordiGH | benkong2: Try it. It can't hurt. |
| 19:52.19 | sparr | Why does the latest nvidia-glx-dev require (possibly indirectly) linux-image-2.6.18-1-486? |
| 19:53.17 | abrotman | nvidia sucks ? |
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| 19:53.55 | stew | !depends nvidia-glx-dev |
| 19:53.56 | d0uglas | abrotman: which sucks more, nvidia or ati? |
| 19:53.57 | dpkg | nvidia-glx-dev: depends on nvidia-glx (>= 1.0.8774) |
| 19:54.09 | abrotman | d0uglas: equally .. bastard non-free drivers |
| 19:54.15 | abrotman | !depends nvidia-glx |
| 19:54.17 | dpkg | nvidia-glx: depends on nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774, x11-common (>= 1:7.0.0), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6), libx11-6, libxext6 |
| 19:54.28 | sparr | abrotman: i disagree... they are equally non-free, but at least the nvidia drivers work sometimes |
| 19:54.30 | abrotman | !depends nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774 |
| 19:54.37 | JordiGH | Ooh. The etch freeze is on Wednesday. |
| 19:54.38 | abrotman | sparr: and so do ATI's |
| 19:54.44 | stew | JordiGH: no it isn't |
| 19:55.14 | johngillespie | Priest-of-Psi: have u got it working yet ? |
| 19:55.23 | EdLin | !u |
| 19:55.23 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:55.24 | JordiGH | stew: Oh. I thought it was postponed to Wednesday, but November is starting to sound more like it, eh? |
| 19:55.41 | stew | JordiGH: oh i thought it was postponed indefinately |
| 19:55.48 | abrotman | that sounds better :) |
| 19:56.15 | JordiGH | for a few days. [...] expect it to happen in October or early November. |
| 19:56.30 | sparr | yaird error: bad value in /boot/config-2.6.18-1-486: CONFIG_DEFCONFIG_LIST="/lib/modules/$UNAME_RELEASE/.config" (fatal) [2 deleted lines] |
| 19:56.30 | sparr | dpkg: error processing linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 (--configure): |
| 19:56.32 | sparr | yay |
| 19:56.41 | sparr | guess i picked a bad day to try to upgrade my libgl |
| 19:57.15 | stew | JordiGH: that was when the number of rc bugs was at 250 or so, it is currently at 329 |
| 19:57.25 | abrotman | and going up! |
| 19:57.36 | stew | although the ietf bugs are likely going to get etch-ignored |
| 19:57.47 | stew | which eliminated 70 or so bugs |
| 19:57.55 | abrotman | actually .. gravity closed the last major bug i had hope the other day |
| 19:58.01 | abrotman | i think ... |
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| 19:58.21 | cydork | abrotman, which one? |
| 19:58.29 | JordiGH | what does the freeze mean, exactly? How is it related to the number of rcbs? |
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| 19:58.41 | abrotman | cydork: the i810_Loopo_wait thing |
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| 19:58.51 | abrotman | cydork: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=272294 |
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| 19:59.16 | stew | JordiGH: the freeze means that the only pacakges that would be allowed to enter etch would be ones that fix rc bugs |
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| 19:59.39 | abrotman | well .. we'll see if it did |
| 19:59.42 | sparr | guess maybe i should file a bug report |
| 19:59.46 | abrotman | i'll try it once it gets to etch |
| 19:59.47 | sparr | but should it be against linux-image-2.6.18-1-486? |
| 19:59.50 | cydork | abrotman, oh ok |
| 20:00.19 | abrotman | i guess i don't file enough bugs ... oh well |
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| 20:02.01 | JordiGH | Where's the number of RC bugs? |
| 20:02.12 | cydork | !wwer |
| 20:02.13 | dpkg | Etch will release WIR; SIYH. There are no current estimates. Ask me about <etch pool>, <wir>, <siyh>. Join in and help out, or see the release team's latest timeline at http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/09/msg00020.html, or http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/10/msg00009.html |
| 20:02.34 | cydork | JordiGH, the last one will give some idea |
| 20:02.36 | stew | JordiGH: bugs.debian.org/release-critical ; or bts.turmzimmer.net/details.php |
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| 20:03.16 | cydork | lunitik, why?? |
| 20:03.56 | lunitik | cydork: 76% of the userbase uses Sid... just a waste, and takes efforts away from most of the userbase :/ |
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| 20:04.42 | cydork | lunitik, i still dont belive that stats. and what about the servers outthere?? |
| 20:04.59 | JordiGH | lunitik: Yeah, what about the servers? http://blockstackers.com |
| 20:05.27 | lunitik | cydork: they amount for less than a quarter of the userbase... and most companies would rather pay for support from Novell or Red Hat. |
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| 20:05.59 | stew | lunitik: how on earth would someone know a statistic like that? |
| 20:06.09 | stew | lunitik: 33% of all statistics are made up |
| 20:06.10 | asg | someone without a clue |
| 20:06.15 | lunitik | stew: popcon apparently... go figure right? |
| 20:06.20 | sparr | should this bug be filed against linux-image... or is there another package that might be at fault? http://rafb.net/paste/results/fiP4tD91.html |
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| 20:06.53 | stew | lunitik: according to popcon there is something like 1 s390 machine for every 20 ppc machine, and there are more arm machines than ppc machines. popcon data cannot be trusted |
| 20:07.00 | d0uglas | i thought 37.6% of all statistics were made up... glad the percentage has gone down |
| 20:07.09 | cydork | lunitik, i thought etch and sid had the same version of popcon. right? |
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| 20:07.34 | lunitik | cydork: versions of individual packages... |
| 20:08.07 | stew | ok the 1:20 ratio is off, but how about 1:10 for s390 to alpha, is there any possible way that is right? |
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| 20:08.45 | Eulex | anyone know the status of debian/kfreebsd? |
| 20:09.03 | d0uglas | well, popcorn may not be rock solid, but if netcraft could weigh in we'd finally know the truth |
| 20:09.08 | lunitik | stew: releases cause to much drama, most devels hate them... they aren't fun... and they serve little to no purpose. Users just dist-upgrade to Sid... or consider Debian too old still |
| 20:09.09 | cydork | Eulex, ask tarzaeu |
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| 20:09.27 | stew | lunitik: you are very wrong |
| 20:09.43 | lunitik | stew: in what aspect? that devels like releases? hah |
| 20:09.44 | simonrvn | th |
| 20:09.55 | Eulex | tarzeau, status of debian/kfreebsd? |
| 20:10.01 | stew | lunitik: how many devels have you consulted? |
| 20:10.02 | d0uglas | "hah" he's laughing at you stew |
| 20:10.36 | stew | ugh "debian stable serves no purpose", is just trolling |
| 20:10.42 | lunitik | stew: I've read plenty of devel-lists... blogs... etc... |
| 20:11.06 | asg | stew: I wouldn't be running debian on 100 servers if that statement was true. |
| 20:11.10 | stew | right |
| 20:11.16 | asg | stew: the meta-statement, that is |
| 20:11.17 | stew | lunitik: please don't advocate that people dist-upgrade to sid in here |
| 20:11.17 | d0uglas | i used to go to 2600 meetings, lots of woody/potato trash talking at those |
| 20:11.31 | Bhavesh | can I ask postfix question here? postfix is no help |
| 20:11.41 | cydork | lunitik, get your facts straight.. there are hell lot of debian servers out there! |
| 20:11.44 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: you gotta slip them in more subtle than that |
| 20:11.48 | lunitik | stew: show me where I said "no purpose" ... I said "a waste"... because of the effort that doesn't go towards the main userbase... |
| 20:11.50 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: dang |
| 20:11.57 | stew | lunitik: you're wrong |
| 20:12.02 | lunitik | stew: show me where I said "dist-upgrade to sid" too... thanks |
| 20:12.02 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: ok i will give 'em a few mins to forget I asked and i will ask my question :) |
| 20:12.19 | simonrvn | lunitik: you are not the main user base ;) |
| 20:12.20 | asg | lunitik: lunitik> stew: releases cause to much drama, most devels hate them... they aren't fun... and they serve little to no purpose. Users just dist-upgrade to Sid... |
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| 20:13.01 | lunitik | asg: little to no purpose allows for some purpose? |
| 20:13.15 | cydork | stew, we should put that in topic. DONT USE SID, unless you know how to :P |
| 20:13.29 | JordiGH | I don't use Sid. |
| 20:13.32 | JordiGH | Not most of it, anyways. |
| 20:13.37 | nkuttler | lunitik: no idea what you are doing, but i run stable on all my 12 or so boxes. |
| 20:13.54 | cydork | lunitik, i use sid. but that's just becuase i like bugs :) |
| 20:14.41 | simonrvn | i use sid on 2 machines, one publically available, so please be quiet |
| 20:14.41 | stew | lunitik: i'm in charge or 30 or so machines, and 1 runs sid. only stable is an appropriate choice for a mission critical server. servers need stability and security support. security only supports stable, probably for a reason, they can't keep up with stable, how are they going to be able to keep up with a faster moving target |
| 20:15.20 | Bhavesh | so why wouldn't postfix be blocking email from certain ip even though i have smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_checks ... in main.cf? |
| 20:15.39 | Bhavesh | and check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/access in main.cf? |
| 20:16.01 | stew | lunitik: really. i'm not looking for my servers to be "more fun" |
| 20:16.15 | Bhavesh | let's start a "debian sid support company, we provide support for debian sid' we can make lots of money that way |
| 20:16.20 | cydork | lunitik, and what do you think about the security patches? |
| 20:16.33 | simonrvn | Bhavesh: yeh, for all the cluebies that want to run sid |
| 20:16.44 | lunitik | cydork: testing has security patches |
| 20:16.49 | stew | lunitik: no it doesn't |
| 20:16.52 | simonrvn | lunitik: not anymore |
| 20:16.52 | stew | lunitik: not any current one |
| 20:16.53 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: one trick to get support here on third party apps is to append "on my debian box" to the question |
| 20:16.53 | stew | ones |
| 20:16.56 | Bhavesh | simonrvn: exactly.. just that you say 'you support sid X many days old" so you actually know what you are doing :) |
| 20:17.09 | stew | lunitik: actually it has one current security patch |
| 20:17.09 | Caelum | is there a way to query a name server for hosts by substring? |
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| 20:17.14 | cydork | lunitik, just count them |
| 20:17.14 | Bhavesh | so why wouldn't postfix be blocking email from certain ip even though i have smtpd_recipient_restrictions = ... check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_checks ... in main.cf? and check_client_access hash:/etc/postfix/access . on my debian stable server? |
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| 20:17.19 | karsten | Caelum: ?? |
| 20:17.19 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: how's that? :) |
| 20:17.30 | simonrvn | Bhavesh: doesn't depends on the age. the skills aren't time-based |
| 20:17.38 | karsten | Caelum: And interpreted a number of different ways, I think, "no". |
| 20:17.42 | Bhavesh | simonrvn: no i mean the sid 'status xx days a go' |
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| 20:17.56 | Bhavesh | that way you had a chance to look at bugs/problems upto that point |
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| 20:18.02 | simonrvn | Bhavesh: *nods*. didn't hash the file? |
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| 20:18.39 | Caelum | karsten: like if there's a host called foobar and foobaz, to query the name server with "foo*" to return them |
| 20:18.39 | d0uglas | Bhavesh: for instance, "I've been having trouble getting ebonics.irc to load under mirc ... on my debian box" |
| 20:18.50 | lunitik | stew: oh really? http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/ |
| 20:19.02 | Bhavesh | simonrvn: done or else it would complain that it can't find the db file |
| 20:19.05 | karsten | Caelum: Not without the zonefiles. |
| 20:19.10 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: you forgot to say 'under wine on my debian box' |
| 20:19.11 | simonrvn | Bhavesh: ok |
| 20:19.13 | karsten | Caelum: AFAIK |
| 20:19.16 | Caelum | karsten: darn :( |
| 20:19.22 | stew | lunitik: http://security.debian.org/dists/testing/updates/main/binary-i386/Packages.bz2 |
| 20:19.23 | d0uglas | Ahh wine, that's why i can't get it to work, thanks |
| 20:19.32 | stew | lunitik: tell me what in there is a current seucirty fix? |
| 20:19.41 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: see i was able to help!! |
| 20:19.57 | stew | lunitik: the blender one? probably not many servers are running blender |
| 20:20.05 | psycose | Is there any Debian Ada user ? i would like to discuss about Etch & gnat 3.15p .... |
| 20:20.10 | cydork | lunitik, and also count the no of them :P |
| 20:20.22 | karsten | Caelum: If you suspect that the hosts are sequentially deployed through IP space, you *can* sequentially scan IPs. One way is via a ping scan in nmap, with hostname resolution turned on. |
| 20:20.28 | cydork | s/no/number/ |
| 20:20.34 | karsten | Caelum: That's not quite the same thing but may work for your purposes. |
| 20:21.24 | karsten | Hrm. What post-etch releases are named yet? |
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| 20:21.44 | stew | lunitik: servers might be running dovecot, but the current package in main is more current than the dovecot package from security |
| 20:21.48 | stew | karsten: none |
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| 20:22.01 | karsten | stew: What character was that? |
| 20:22.22 | stew | karsten: none of the subsequent releases have been named yet |
| 20:22.31 | karsten | stew: *Ahhhhh* |
| 20:22.33 | Bhavesh | d0uglas: how were you running mirc .. on your debian box anyways? |
| 20:22.39 | cahoot | qualifies for a quote |
| 20:22.40 | cydork | karsten, it was a very speacial character :P |
| 20:22.49 | lunitik | stew: how much do you stay up with what maintainers think etc... their stance on it? are you a DD? |
| 20:23.01 | karsten | cydork: With a bad habit? |
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| 20:23.39 | sparr | linux-image-2.6.18-1-486 requires a specific version (or later) of yaird (if yaird is the mkinitrd script chosen by the configuration script)... what kind of bug is that? |
| 20:23.55 | cydork | karsten, yep :) |
| 20:24.23 | cydork | lunitik, stop reading crap! |
| 20:24.34 | stew | lunitik: i keep up pretty constantly. I am a maintainer, but not a DD |
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| 20:25.31 | nvz | dpkg, test |
| 20:25.31 | dpkg | No, nvz, you're not online any more. |
| 20:25.32 | lunitik | cydork: finding out what going on in the community is crap? |
| 20:25.56 | lunitik | stew: and you haven't seen the opinions? what are you doing for release? |
| 20:25.59 | cydork | lunitik, na i mean dont just read it. Think about it too |
| 20:26.03 | simonrvn | it's a fricking joke |
| 20:26.17 | nvz | hmm I wonder why dpkg left at exactly 7:04AM EST two days in a row... that would be like 5:04am locally |
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| 20:26.23 | simonrvn | oh, you were serious :) |
| 20:26.46 | simonrvn | nvz: cron is first thing to come to mind |
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| 20:26.48 | tarzeau | Eulex: the status is, it's working great |
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| 20:26.56 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah.. but wtf.. |
| 20:27.10 | simonrvn | probably to have it reconn. to the mysqld |
| 20:27.15 | simonrvn | *shrug* |
| 20:27.20 | tarzeau | Eulex: someone who can install debian gnu/linux and use a $EDITOR can use gnu/kfreebsd just equal well |
| 20:27.32 | nvz | simonrvn: maybe thats when it makes a backup of the database |
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| 20:27.40 | Caelum | karsten: good idea, thanks |
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| 20:27.45 | stew | lunitik: i've seen some opinions. for realese? i just made the final uplaods for my packages for the release, they have migrated to testing. i'm not concentrating on closing RC bugs when i have spare time. I've closed 10 or so RC bugs in the last couple of months to try to keep the RC bug count down, why? |
| 20:27.49 | cydork | tarzeau, comon tell him the full story :P |
| 20:27.51 | simonrvn | mm, maybe. check the timestamp on the backups |
| 20:28.01 | stew | lunitik: err, s/not/now/ |
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| 20:28.31 | tarzeau | cydork: like what? |
| 20:28.39 | tarzeau | cydork: even firefox and blender work now! |
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| 20:28.53 | cydork | tarzeau, blender works? never tried it though |
| 20:28.59 | tarzeau | cydork: yep, kibi ported it |
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| 20:29.58 | cydork | tarzeau, hmm well i will get started on installing it again then. what about the installer? |
| 20:30.17 | tarzeau | cydork: it's based on the freebsd installer. but that i told long ago already |
| 20:30.36 | tarzeau | cydork: have you ever seen the OPENSTEP or Mac OS X installers? |
| 20:30.48 | tarzeau | cydork: the debian installer has got too many questions |
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| 20:30.56 | cydork | tarzeau, ya but last time i tried it had some problem reg. normal install. i had to do expert installer :) |
| 20:30.57 | stew | lunitik: and looking at the way the vote for 2006-GR007 went, it seems that people do care about getting releases out |
| 20:31.03 | CosmoDad | hi -- is it possible to use lvm2 on a 2.4.27 kernel? |
| 20:31.13 | tarzeau | cydork: that's normal, didn't you read the manual? or the /topic of #gnu-kbsd |
| 20:31.19 | tarzeau | cydork: this is very well documented |
| 20:31.43 | cydork | tarzeau, ya i know i did that one month back or so i guess. |
| 20:31.44 | tarzeau | cydork: if you can't read, you ought to get punished |
| 20:31.56 | cydork | tarzeau, hehe |
| 20:31.59 | psycose | From afresh Debian Etch Sparc64 install is it possible to downgrade to Sarge ? |
| 20:32.10 | tarzeau | psycose: no |
| 20:32.17 | tarzeau | psycose: but you can always upgrade to sid |
| 20:32.21 | cydork | !downgrade |
| 20:32.21 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 20:32.59 | psycose | tarzeau, thanks |
| 20:33.05 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 20:33.07 | dpkg | < tim> fuck!! - I have just sourced ~.bash_history instead .bashrc |
| 20:33.37 | lunitik | stew: how many people voted? ian murdock is the only person to come out and say he approves of the winner... I think the election is a bad topic here ;) |
| 20:33.51 | lunitik | stew: not that whether debian should release is apparently any better |
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| 20:34.53 | cydork | tarzeau, punish lunitik first :P |
| 20:35.06 | tarzeau | cydork: http://bugs.debian.org/270877 |
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| 20:35.58 | jeanre | anyone here run pympd on etch? |
| 20:36.59 | lunitik | tarzeau: haha... I'm not sure why thats funny... but yeah |
| 20:37.12 | tarzeau | lunitik: i can't swallow windows? |
| 20:38.01 | cydork | tarzeau, like i said show off ! :P |
| 20:38.07 | tarzeau | lunitik: try google pictures "swallow" maybe? |
| 20:38.35 | karsten | tarzeau: bad, bad, bad, boy. |
| 20:38.41 | psycose | tarzeau, ok so maybe the best for me is to use debootstrap to get a Sarge running ... thanks |
| 20:39.01 | tarzeau | psycose: good luck |
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| 20:39.51 | tarzeau | karsten, cydork: http://www.witzbild.de/data/media/22/swallow.jpg |
| 20:39.58 | Bhavesh | i think number of spam drops down in afternoon |
| 20:40.14 | cydork | tarzeau, hahha |
| 20:40.17 | karsten | Bhavesh: afternoon where? |
| 20:40.17 | sparr | short of emailing a package maintainer directly, is there an easy way to just make a note about a package without going through the hassle of filing a bug report? i admit im too lazy to put all the work into filling out a complete bug report, and if i just put a 'fyi' in a bug report i know someone is going to complain |
| 20:40.48 | g333k | how can I know the version of alsa-driver and alsa-lib that I have installed? |
| 20:40.57 | karsten | tarzeau: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7341255891609289780&q=swallow&hl=en |
| 20:41.00 | tarzeau | g333k: dpkg -l | grep alsa |
| 20:41.02 | Bhavesh | karsten: good question.. USA East cost (EST) |
| 20:41.06 | Bhavesh | coast even |
| 20:41.16 | karsten | sparr: what's the issue? |
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| 20:41.23 | PumpkinPie | cheapest sata controller with 2.6.8 support? |
| 20:41.31 | karsten | sparr: And if it's a bug, file a bug. If you can't file a useful bug report, don't. |
| 20:41.37 | pelzi_ | I'd avoid cheap sata controllers |
| 20:41.45 | pelzi_ | and you didn't even mention which bus. |
| 20:42.05 | PumpkinPie | pelzi_: all sata controllers are cheap... all controllers are cheap |
| 20:42.20 | Bhavesh | YAY |
| 20:42.22 | tarzeau | karsten: hahaha |
| 20:42.24 | Bhavesh | it seems to be working |
| 20:42.25 | sparr | karsten: a new linux-image package requires (sometimes) a newer version of yaird (which provides a mkinitrd script) than it depends on |
| 20:42.26 | pelzi_ | I had lots of pains with a cheap SiI3112. |
| 20:42.30 | lekvar | is mplayer still wedged these days? |
| 20:42.40 | lekvar | i never could get it to install and work but that was quite a while back |
| 20:42.41 | PumpkinPie | pata sata usb, all controllers are cheap |
| 20:42.45 | tarzeau | lekvar: wedged? it's great |
| 20:42.47 | sparr | karsten: im not even sure if debian packages have a field to represent such a sometimes-dependency |
| 20:42.56 | pelzi_ | well, the sii3112 has driver support. |
| 20:43.02 | pelzi_ | as far as I know. |
| 20:43.16 | PumpkinPie | lelzi: sii3112 what problems you had? |
| 20:43.22 | karsten | sparr: Um. How is that a sometimes-dependency? |
| 20:43.46 | karsten | sparr: If this is a dep for specific versions of yaird or the yaird package, indicate so. |
| 20:43.49 | PumpkinPie | I think the one I plan to buy has si3112 |
| 20:43.57 | sparr | karsten: the configuration script for the linux-image package picks one of many available mkinitrd scripts, so it only depends on the new yaird if it picks mkinitrd.yaird |
| 20:44.05 | pelzi_ | PumpkinPie: incompatibility with either SMP or the abit vp6 and also incompatibility with some old P3 mainboard, leading to weird problems. with newer mainboards it works. |
| 20:44.44 | PumpkinPie | silicon graphics is like the largest in that market.. had to believe there would be stupid bugs |
| 20:44.52 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.01 | PumpkinPie | s/had/hard |
| 20:45.04 | sparr | karsten: i have little experience with debian package internals, but ive never encountered a dependency of that sort before |
| 20:45.06 | pelzi_ | it's silicon image, and the sii3112 was the first chip they made. |
| 20:45.14 | Kurt2 | ping whitehouse.gov |
| 20:45.15 | pelzi_ | there are some PCI issues with it. |
| 20:45.31 | pelzi_ | on new mainboards it works |
| 20:45.45 | karsten | sparr: Sounds like something worth discussing on debian-devel |
| 20:45.57 | Eulex | tarzeau, oh, nice :) I might try it out some time :) |
| 20:45.59 | karsten | sparr: mailing list, not IRC. |
| 20:46.00 | Shadowcat | ok.... |
| 20:46.00 | k31th | Im trying to make a script how do i get it to take an input after the script like what passwd would do E.G changepasswd.sh username newpasswd |
| 20:46.03 | Shadowcat | someone enlighten me on this |
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| 20:46.18 | pelzi_ | I'd be confident that it works on mainboards that use DDR, they are new enough. with old boxes I'd avoid it. |
| 20:46.18 | Shadowcat | if I use alsaconf to choose a sound card (I got two in this box) the machine panics when shutting down |
| 20:46.21 | tarzeau | Eulex: if you do, have a seat in #gnu-kbsd |
| 20:46.23 | karsten | k31th: read ANS, in bash |
| 20:46.33 | Shadowcat | but... if I blacklist the modules that the other sound card needs, then the machine restarts fine |
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| 20:46.58 | Shadowcat | while the hack way produces a clean system |
| 20:47.02 | k31th | karsten: ANS |
| 20:47.03 | k31th | ? |
| 20:47.16 | Kurt2 | oh balls |
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| 20:47.32 | karsten | k31th: You can disable console echo somehow... |
| 20:47.41 | karsten | k31th: 'man bash' or 'help read' |
| 20:47.46 | karsten | k31th: ANS == answer |
| 20:47.50 | Eulex | tarzeau, I already did, to see what was discussed in there :) |
| 20:48.02 | karsten | k31th: conventional environment variable name used w/ read. |
| 20:48.07 | tarzeau | Eulex: oh :) it's quite interesting, isn't it? |
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| 20:48.35 | pelzi_ | stty -e, iirc. (to disable echo) |
| 20:48.37 | PumpkinPie | SIL3112 same as SII3112 ? |
| 20:48.41 | lunitik | stew: was a rhetorical question... less than half the eligible people voted though... |
| 20:48.50 | k31th | karsten: read username, passwd ??? |
| 20:48.52 | PumpkinPie | pelzi_: I see chipset SIL3112 |
| 20:48.55 | pelzi_ | it is the SiI3112. sil is an incorrect name. |
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| 20:49.10 | tarzeau | someone wants to test a new game debian package? (warning, addictive) |
| 20:49.19 | PumpkinPie | pelzi_: it will work fine with modern motherboard? |
| 20:49.22 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 20:49.32 | PumpkinPie | pelzi_: 2.6.8 recognized? |
| 20:49.32 | pelzi_ | unless you have an old Seagate SATA drive. |
| 20:49.38 | pelzi_ | as far as I know yes. |
| 20:49.45 | pelzi_ | it should work in 2.4 too |
| 20:49.51 | PumpkinPie | why old seagate problem? |
| 20:49.51 | eldowan | Is there a recommended ftp server for anonymous read only access? I see quite a few ftp servers, but I would like the input of the channel. Thanks. |
| 20:50.11 | karsten | k31th: 'stty -echo; read USER PASS; stty echo' |
| 20:50.11 | tarzeau | eldowan: ftp.kernel.org ? |
| 20:50.14 | pelzi_ | the old seagates had bugs. |
| 20:50.21 | tarzeau | eldowan: you mean for debian packages? |
| 20:50.26 | pelzi_ | they are incompatible with the SiI3112, so they are slow as hell. |
| 20:50.28 | stew | lunitik: its more people than the number of DDs whos blogs you are reading and whos posts you are reading, which is where you are saying you are getting your info. |
| 20:50.29 | tarzeau | eldowan: any official mirror? |
| 20:50.38 | karsten | k31th: or above + "echo "user: $USER pass: $PASS" after that. |
| 20:50.47 | eldowan | tarzeau: I meant ftp server package for installation. |
| 20:50.47 | cydork | eldowan, the vsftpd |
| 20:51.00 | lunitik | stew: I stated I read mailing lists also... |
| 20:51.00 | cydork | eldowan, it's used by kernel.org and many more |
| 20:51.08 | pelzi_ | vsftpd is nice. |
| 20:51.12 | karsten | k31th: Mind $USER is a reserved environment variable. |
| 20:51.14 | sparr | karsten: i have long since grown tired of organizing the deluge of mailing lists in my mailbox. is there a nntp gateway to the mailing list? |
| 20:51.14 | stew | lunitik: that's what i meant by posts |
| 20:51.21 | karsten | k31th: so "UNAME" might be better. |
| 20:51.28 | k31th | kk thanks |
| 20:51.37 | karsten | sparr: Yes. gmane, IIRC. Google gmane debian-devel |
| 20:51.40 | pelzi_ | or just avoid caps in your local variables |
| 20:51.45 | eldowan | cydork: Thanks. I'll take a look. |
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| 20:52.01 | pelzi_ | all reserved environment vars are CAPS, so you'll avoid that and write cleaner code |
| 20:52.27 | Eulex | tarzeau, well, hasn't been much conversation since I joined. a screen or so. anyway, now I'm gonna relax with some good ol' smb1. |
| 20:52.27 | sparr | karsten: im familiar with gmane, and use it for wikipedia lists |
| 20:52.27 | karsten | pelzi_: convention is to use caps for environment var names, though that's not strictly necessary. |
| 20:52.35 | pelzi_ | yes. |
| 20:52.36 | tarzeau | Eulex: super mario bros 1? |
| 20:52.49 | pelzi_ | but it is pretty rare to find a reserved env var not in caps. |
| 20:52.53 | lunitik | stew: go look through planet.d.o for that time frame... most just say "lesser of many evils"... |
| 20:53.08 | pelzi_ | so, better use lowercase in your own variables and upper in more global ones |
| 20:53.13 | stew | lunitik: anyway, i don't believe your assertian that reading mailing lists give you a better perception of how the DDs feel on an issue than a vote of them does. and i don't think that voter turnout being about 1/3rd of the developers was bad. It was close to how many voted for the last leader election |
| 20:53.13 | Eulex | tarzeau, ya :) |
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| 20:53.31 | tarzeau | Eulex: haha have fun... |
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| 20:53.48 | stew | lunitik: i don't understand why you would think that planet.d.o is more representitive than an actual vote |
| 20:53.52 | adamantas | I like to beat women |
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| 20:54.02 | lunitik | stew: the attitude around this election was certainly worse than the last one. |
| 20:54.14 | karsten | Has the debian-devel list split? |
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| 20:54.35 | lunitik | stew: because those are some of the people that vote... speaking out about the way they voted... ? |
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| 20:55.48 | Bhavesh | i think i figured it out |
| 20:55.55 | lunitik | Opinions are usually formed based on input from others... so its fair to assume they aren't the only ones that think that way... |
| 20:56.09 | Bhavesh | did stew ban somone? and i missed it? |
| 20:56.41 | tarzeau | Bhavesh: an ubuntu troll from greece |
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| 20:58.20 | Bhavesh | tarzeau: thanks.. it happens so rarely sorry i missed it :) |
| 20:59.35 | Bhavesh | brb |
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| 21:00.29 | sparr | does debian have any facility to schedule package installation for the next reboot? its slightly annoying that i cant run any opengl games after upgrading my nvidia packages until i reboot (well, shut down x, change nvidia modules, restart x) |
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| 21:00.58 | sparr | karsten: does gmane.linux.debian.devel.* all go to the same mailing list? there doesnt seem to be a single top-level group |
| 21:01.14 | karsten | sparr: Dunno. That's why I asked. |
| 21:01.35 | karsten | sparr: ... and loading a full listing sorta clobbers konqueror. |
| 21:01.59 | sparr | well, ill post to .general, and if someone redirects me to .kernel then so be it |
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| 21:02.09 | sparr | the concept of a sometimes-dependency seems general in nature |
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| 21:05.03 | cydork | lunitik, people are talking about firefox too.. but you know the dfsg. right? |
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| 21:07.29 | lunitik | cydork: yes... although I dont' really get the need to change the name etc... :/ |
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| 21:07.55 | lunitik | cydork: I'm not sure what that has to do with anything either... |
| 21:07.56 | abrotman | lunitik: copyright infringement |
| 21:08.34 | Guerin | not copyright |
| 21:08.37 | Guerin | trademark |
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| 21:08.48 | lunitik | abrotman: I think its more to do with the maintainer thinking having the run things by mozilla foundation before releasing changes goes against dfsg |
| 21:09.02 | abrotman | lunitik: eh .. no |
| 21:09.03 | karsten | lunitik: Any number of issues. |
| 21:09.11 | Guerin | lunitik: well ... it's actually just atrademarking issue |
| 21:09.15 | stew | lunitik: not the maintainer, the RC bug was filed by someone at mozcorp, not by someone at debian |
| 21:09.15 | karsten | lunitik: trademark being the big one. |
| 21:09.16 | lunitik | abrotman: *shrug* thats the states issue. |
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| 21:09.31 | lunitik | stew: my bad... |
| 21:09.39 | Guerin | see |
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| 21:09.49 | Guerin | that's what happens when you let non-DDs file bugs! |
| 21:10.59 | lunitik | Trademarks are a side effect... you can't release things that hasn't gone through Mozilla Foundation under a Mozilla trademark... reminds me of the old XFree86 fiasco somewhat really... |
| 21:10.59 | Guerin | and a similar outcome |
| 21:11.05 | karsten | lunitik: Also the RH / CentOS situation. |
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| 21:12.30 | stew | !iceweasel =~ s#iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/#the new package will be named iceweasel, but it will not (at least, at first) be the software from the fsf with the same name (see http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla)# |
| 21:12.31 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 21:13.05 | d0uglas_ | my machine froze and rebooting is getting sketchy... getting errors like these: hda: dma_intr: status=0x51 { DriveReady SeekComplete Error }, hda: dma_intr: error0x01 { AddrMarkNotFound }, LBAsect=171319, sector=171223, ide: failed opcode was: unknown, end_request: I/O error, dev hda, sector 176911, JBD: Failed to read blo9ck at offset 21552, JBD: recovery failed, EXT3-fs: error loading journal |
| 21:13.08 | d0uglas_ | is that bad? |
| 21:13.17 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 21:13.18 | dpkg | i/o error is probably if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
| 21:13.44 | Jabka | d0uglas : yep .. but check your kernel |
| 21:13.55 | d0uglas_ | a little badblocks run won't save my ass? |
| 21:13.55 | karsten | dpkg: i/o error is also Check seating of cables on drives and controllers as well. |
| 21:13.56 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 21:14.03 | lunitik | Grr... hopefully KDE4's KHTML will be better, and I won't need more browsers :/ |
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| 21:14.15 | karsten | d0uglas_: Check seating of cables, old/worn cables to boot. |
| 21:14.24 | Guerin | d0uglas_: generally badblocks won't be able to access the drive either |
| 21:14.27 | Jabka | d0uglas it is pretty bad becouse it is bad |
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| 21:14.51 | Guerin | lunitik: they've been saying khtml will be ready for primetime any day now since 2002 |
| 21:15.01 | Guerin | lunitik: IOW, don't hold your breath |
| 21:15.02 | lunitik | (KHTML will apparently be the whole browser now... and will be a dedicated browser in KDE4... yay...) |
| 21:15.02 | d0uglas_ | Man... just when i got the thing all nice and sort of configged. |
| 21:15.12 | Jabka | can i start some how lilo recognition of file systems (like while install ) |
| 21:15.27 | pelzi_ | d0uglas_: get a new hd after trying a new cable |
| 21:15.31 | DaBlade | How do I specify which version of GCC I want to use? |
| 21:15.32 | zinx | lilo doesn't recognize filesystems |
| 21:15.35 | lunitik | Guerin: For sites it works with... KHTML is faster than Gecko here.... |
| 21:15.43 | DaBlade | 4.1.2 is the default, I want 4.0.4 |
| 21:15.43 | GecKo | sif |
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| 21:15.46 | GecKo | I am teh fastest |
| 21:15.48 | d0uglas_ | pelzi_: new cable, even in a laptop? |
| 21:15.51 | Guerin | lunitik: because rendering is the biggest slowdown on the web |
| 21:16.16 | lunitik | Guerin: MySpace won't let me log in via KHTML... flash sucks... and it refuses to find my Java ... only reasons Firefox is around |
| 21:16.18 | pelzi_ | d0uglas_: try disabling dma, but that sounds like a failing drive |
| 21:16.20 | DaBlade | Hello? |
| 21:16.33 | d0uglas_ | disabling dma? is that a bios thing? |
| 21:16.39 | pelzi_ | no, kernel |
| 21:16.43 | Guerin | DaBlade: install it and export the CC and HOSTCC variables |
| 21:16.53 | Guerin | lunitik: haha |
| 21:16.56 | DaBlade | Guerin: It's installed, but how do I export it? |
| 21:16.59 | karsten | d0uglas_: For a laptop, you *can* check cable seating (access is usually via keyboard) and/or bay mount of the drive itself. |
| 21:17.02 | DaBlade | Guerin: (I don't remember... ) |
| 21:17.06 | lunitik | Guerin: whats funny? |
| 21:17.25 | nkuttler | DaBlade: help export i guess |
| 21:17.37 | Guerin | DaBlade: ex |
| 21:17.37 | lunitik | Guerin: its annoying... I dislike Firefox... but its the only free browser that handles those things :/ |
| 21:17.42 | Guerin | bah |
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| 21:17.47 | Guerin | DaBlade: export foo=bar |
| 21:17.48 | DaBlade | Isn't it just easier to say it? |
| 21:17.57 | DaBlade | so export HOSTCC=4.0.4? |
| 21:17.59 | DaBlade | something like that? |
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| 21:18.16 | x_link | Does anybody know a fast web browser except for links2 ? |
| 21:18.16 | Jabka | d0uglas is it a new kernel ? |
| 21:18.24 | x_link | I didn't like it that much. |
| 21:18.30 | lekvar | elinks is good |
| 21:18.33 | lunitik | x_link: elinks? :P |
| 21:18.36 | Guerin | lunitik: the lengths some people go to for style |
| 21:18.43 | x_link | FireFox uses to much CPU/RAM on this P II. |
| 21:18.44 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: 2.6.18 but booting 2.6.17 is also broked |
| 21:18.51 | Guerin | DaBlade: it should be the name of the binary you wish to call |
| 21:18.54 | x_link | lunitik: I haven't tried elinks, just tried links2 |
| 21:18.55 | DaBlade | x_link: Firefox, konqueror? |
| 21:18.59 | nkuttler | x_link: w3m |
| 21:19.01 | lunitik | Guerin: for style? I get bored and enjoy online games... and I like to keep in contact with friends... :/ |
| 21:19.02 | Jabka | d0uglas |
| 21:19.06 | DaBlade | Guerin: ok... |
| 21:19.10 | d0uglas_ | yessir |
| 21:19.19 | Guerin | lunitik: no, that you use konqueror for everything else |
| 21:19.20 | x_link | DaBlade: FireFox uses to much CPU/RAM, this is just a P II 450Mhz. |
| 21:19.30 | DaBlade | x_link: Dillo? |
| 21:19.30 | Guerin | surely it'd just be easier to have one tool for the task |
| 21:19.30 | Jabka | d0uglas:you should check if nocpi helps .. |
| 21:19.34 | lunitik | Guerin: its simply faster... its not for style :/ |
| 21:19.48 | Jabka | d0uglas:also can you remove the hdd ? |
| 21:19.49 | lekvar | lately it seems like firefox seems to like to get confused about which window really has focus, though maybe that's my wm's fault... |
| 21:19.52 | lunitik | Guerin: the interface is probably uglier... but it renders faster... so whatever |
| 21:19.59 | Jabka | i meen to check it fisicly |
| 21:19.59 | pelzi_ | is there a khtml based browser without the kde crud? |
| 21:20.04 | Guerin | lunitik: really, you lose THAT much time between page load and page display, through rendering? |
| 21:20.10 | lunitik | pelzi_: Safari? |
| 21:20.13 | Guerin | i disbelieve |
| 21:20.21 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: i'll have to track down a screw driver but i've done it before |
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| 21:20.26 | pelzi_ | safari has osx crud ;) |
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| 21:20.29 | d0uglas_ | what good will that do? |
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| 21:20.51 | lunitik | Guerin: Firefox also crashes here if I do too much... I _only_ use it when I have to because Konqi won't let me do something I want to do... |
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| 21:21.04 | Jabka | d0uglas:try to check the drive tru ide2usb on the same machine or on other pc. |
| 21:21.32 | DaBlade | Guerin: Can you tell me exactly how I do this? |
| 21:21.33 | Guerin | really? ff never crashes for me |
| 21:21.36 | lunitik | Guerin: Firefox constantly comes to a crawl when browsing around a lot here... Konqi doesn't.... |
| 21:21.43 | stew | flw |
| 21:21.43 | DaBlade | Guerin: I'm sorta rusty after not having done it for some time. |
| 21:21.46 | Guerin | then again, I don't use flash, java or many stupid extensions |
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| 21:22.02 | Jabka | d0uglas:if you still get errors you should buckup and try to change it. |
| 21:22.06 | Guerin | DaBlade: no. help export; look at the output of ls -l /$(which gcc) |
| 21:22.06 | d0uglas_ | ide2usb.. sounds like i got no way out of this without buying something huh |
| 21:22.12 | Guerin | eh, without the / |
| 21:22.36 | lunitik | Guerin: what do you do for entertainment? I'd rather entertain myself in a social setting :/ |
| 21:22.40 | Jabka | d0uglas: i got it with my laptop for free .. |
| 21:22.46 | DaBlade | Guerin: lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2006-10-16 15:08 //usr/bin/gcc -> gcc-4.1 |
| 21:22.54 | Jabka | it costs like 10$ |
| 21:23.16 | Guerin | lunitik: that's the thing - I entertain myself with other people, not with computers |
| 21:23.30 | Guerin | lunitik: in a social setting, as it were |
| 21:23.43 | lunitik | Guerin: at 3am in the morning... not too many people I know are willing to go anywhere to hang out :/ |
| 21:23.52 | lekvar | lunitik: you're living in the wrong place, then |
| 21:23.58 | Guerin | that's unfortunate |
| 21:24.13 | Jabka | how can i run os detecion like in debian installer manually |
| 21:24.15 | lunitik | lekvar: no... I just know too many potheads |
| 21:24.18 | Guerin | not that I've had much time for anything recently |
| 21:24.44 | Guerin | anyway, what have flash and java got to do with 'social settings'? |
| 21:25.10 | Guerin | afaics they're basically just because webdevs are lazy |
| 21:25.10 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: Well before i procure that i'm gonna knoppix my way in and run badblocks, maybe i'll get lucky. |
| 21:25.41 | Jabka | d0uglas: good luck btw what fs ? |
| 21:25.48 | d0uglas_ | ext3 |
| 21:25.49 | lunitik | Guerin: online games... entertainment and chat... |
| 21:26.00 | Guerin | ... |
| 21:26.04 | abrotman | Guerin: not a damn thing |
| 21:26.12 | Jabka | d0uglas:you will have easy life with that .. |
| 21:26.38 | Jabka | d0uglas:just dont do rebuild tree |
| 21:26.47 | Jabka | use dd insteed |
| 21:26.48 | d0uglas_ | hmmm lots of lines like "ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode yadayada |
| 21:26.58 | Jabka | *instead |
| 21:27.03 | d0uglas_ | hda: DMA disabled, ide0: reset: success! |
| 21:27.06 | d0uglas_ | something's happening! |
| 21:27.14 | Guerin | omglolz |
| 21:27.32 | d0uglas_ | hmm spoke too soon... ide: failed opcode was: unknown |
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| 21:27.47 | Jabka | d0uglas:it is failure messge 0x51 |
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| 21:27.58 | Jabka | d0uglas:or 0x21 |
| 21:28.06 | d0uglas_ | seeing 0x51 and 0x04 a lot |
| 21:28.22 | d0uglas_ | maybe i just need to put this sucker in the freezer |
| 21:28.44 | Jabka | d0uglas:why ? |
| 21:28.48 | stew | d0uglas_: that works for a stuck platter. you don't have a stuck platter or you'd be getting nothing off the disk |
| 21:29.10 | d0uglas_ | maybe if i shake it just right |
| 21:29.12 | stew | d0uglas_: try changing the cable and see if that is the problem. if not, consider replacing the disk immediately |
| 21:29.15 | Jabka | d0uglas:if you don't get 0x21 you have hope |
| 21:29.30 | d0uglas_ | what does 0x21 mean |
| 21:29.38 | Jabka | d0uglas:0x51 is connection and transfer errors |
| 21:29.44 | abrotman | int 21h |
| 21:29.59 | Jabka | d0uglas:0x21 internel error |
| 21:30.17 | DaBlade | Guerin: Look at the pm :) |
| 21:30.33 | Jabka | d0uglas:0x21 or head damage |
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| 21:31.12 | d0uglas_ | well it's still giving me "ext3_orphan_cleanup: deleting unreferenced inode X" .. i guess i should just let this run before i go in with badblocks |
| 21:31.26 | Guerin | d0uglas_: the important thing if you want any hope of saving the data is to use the disk as little as possible |
| 21:31.55 | d0uglas_ | Guerin: not much on here fortunately |
| 21:32.22 | d0uglas_ | just decent configuration which won't matter if i replace the equipment |
| 21:32.22 | Jabka | d0uglas_:or to use spesific locatin on the hard |
| 21:32.22 | Guerin | DaBlade: 1. I already told you in principle how to do this 2. you're running vmware, which I don't support, know or care about |
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| 21:32.29 | Guerin | DaBlade: 3. Don't message people without their consent |
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| 21:32.47 | DaBlade | Guerin: sorry |
| 21:32.55 | karsten | Guerin: If you don't want to support vmware, don't. |
| 21:32.56 | Jabka | d0uglas_:also check your dm settings |
| 21:33.03 | Guerin | karsten: I'm not. |
| 21:33.09 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: it said dma was disabled.. that's good, right? |
| 21:33.29 | Jabka | d0uglas_:by error or by bios ? |
| 21:33.44 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: errors in the boot |
| 21:34.02 | d0uglas_ | hmm "ext3-fs: hda1: 47 orphan inodes deleted, ext3-fs: recovery complete" |
| 21:34.13 | Jabka | d0uglas_:not so .. |
| 21:34.18 | d0uglas_ | but now back to the 0x51 and 0x04 errors |
| 21:34.24 | Jabka | d0uglas_:do yo do hot restart |
| 21:34.31 | d0uglas_ | yeah |
| 21:34.45 | Jabka | d0uglas_:so here is your reason |
| 21:35.10 | d0uglas_ | i've made it all these years getting away with that, now i finally get stung |
| 21:35.20 | Jabka | d0uglas_:try to check this harddisk on some other pc 0x51 is connection and transfer issues |
| 21:35.49 | d0uglas_ | it's a laptop though .. well i guess i could borrow one |
| 21:36.00 | pelzi_ | get an adapter |
| 21:36.06 | pelzi_ | it's like $2 |
| 21:36.09 | d0uglas_ | i appreciate the help fellas, by the way |
| 21:36.16 | Jabka | d0uglas_: here is an auch my mom made hot reboot to my server 250 gb ide died |
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| 21:36.31 | d0uglas_ | ouch |
| 21:36.43 | Jabka | d0uglas_: check if you can by ide2usb |
| 21:37.07 | Jabka | d0uglas_: also try diabling dma on kernel level |
| 21:37.14 | Jabka | *buy |
| 21:37.34 | pelzi_ | hot rebooting can't kill proper hardware |
| 21:37.43 | d0uglas_ | ok those are my next moves.. but now i gotta go home |
| 21:37.45 | d0uglas_ | thank you again |
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| 21:38.11 | Jabka | np |
| 21:38.15 | d0uglas_ | at least i can still use this thing to charge my ipod |
| 21:38.33 | Jabka | pelzi_:wanna bet ? .. |
| 21:38.57 | Jabka | try reiserfs then hot reboot then rebuild-tree |
| 21:39.00 | d0uglas_ | wow i've never seen a hot reboot war |
| 21:39.13 | stew | Jabka: that does hardware damage? |
| 21:39.39 | Jabka | <stew> fs damage |
| 21:39.58 | pelzi_ | so? |
| 21:40.02 | pelzi_ | disable ide write cache |
| 21:40.03 | Jabka | but with ide it can damage sector 0 or 7 |
| 21:40.18 | Jabka | dono about sata |
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| 21:44.20 | Jabka | is there a free driver for BCM4318 |
| 21:44.34 | Jabka | oops i ment module |
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| 21:45.14 | xerophyte_ | does anybody know why does the ssh hangs after it ask password, of the server does this .. but i checked the server it does not seem to be hacked. .. anybody know why |
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| 21:45.30 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: name lookups? |
| 21:46.02 | Gardo | hi, i have just one questions: I need the source for the unstable sources <: |
| 21:46.15 | tarzeau | Gardo: telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:46.24 | xerophyte_ | tarzeau, i am using the ip to login |
| 21:46.32 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: so what? |
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| 21:47.05 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: you want to read your ssh config files (client and server) as well as a book about DNS |
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| 21:47.37 | xerophyte_ | tarzeau, if i reboot the server it works fine for while |
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| 21:47.48 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: weird. |
| 21:48.09 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: can i have a look at your server? |
| 21:48.19 | xerophyte_ | tarzeau, not really sorry |
| 21:48.23 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: i mean do you know tcpdump or ngrep? |
| 21:48.36 | d0uglas_ | will badblocksing /dev/hda check all hda partitions or should i specify |
| 21:48.37 | xerophyte_ | i can install those |
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| 21:49.02 | tarzeau | d0uglas_: it'll do what its name suggests do a bad blocks check on the file |
| 21:49.02 | Cald | hello |
| 21:49.04 | tarzeau | d0uglas_: if it has partitions, yes |
| 21:49.10 | tarzeau | d0uglas_: but it doesn't know about them |
| 21:49.16 | Cald | how can i know if my server is using hard or soft raid plz ? |
| 21:49.17 | d0uglas_ | all right then, thanks. |
| 21:49.18 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: man it's not about installing tools |
| 21:49.28 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: the point is with debian, anyone can apt-get software |
| 21:49.37 | tarzeau | xerophyte_: but can you understand them? can you use them? |
| 21:49.53 | pelzi_ | Cald: look inside |
| 21:49.54 | tarzeau | Cald: open the server and look inside? |
| 21:50.23 | tarzeau | Cald: a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screwdriver might be useful |
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| 21:51.18 | Jabka | anyone have broadcom card here ? |
| 21:51.20 | stew | Cald: is the device name something like /dev/sda or something like /dev/md0 ? |
| 21:51.25 | d0uglas_ | damn... finally got 0x21 :( |
| 21:51.29 | stew | Jabka: lots of people |
| 21:51.32 | pelzi_ | broadcom what. |
| 21:51.34 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: yeah got a bcm4306 |
| 21:51.46 | Cald | i can't open a computer that is 1000miles away from me... |
| 21:51.47 | pelzi_ | stew: it can still be fakeraid if it is sd* |
| 21:52.02 | Cald | device is md0 |
| 21:52.09 | pelzi_ | then it is software raid |
| 21:52.10 | stew | Cald: its software raid then |
| 21:52.14 | Jabka | did you found a module to support it or ndiswapper ? |
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| 21:52.28 | Cald | ok, but i don't have raidtab, is it ok ? |
| 21:52.43 | pelzi_ | yes |
| 21:52.47 | pelzi_ | raidtab is ancient |
| 21:52.50 | Jabka | d0uglas_: how did you make it work |
| 21:52.54 | pelzi_ | mdadm is the modern tool. |
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| 21:53.01 | Cald | ok thx |
| 21:53.05 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: i had been using bcm43xx with shaky success.. lots of error messages and it would drop the connection randomly.. so i switched to ndiswrapper and before i could test it out this crap happened to my disk |
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| 21:53.27 | pelzi_ | I might give up wireless. |
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| 21:53.30 | d0uglas_ | crap now grub won't even load.. Error 18. |
| 21:53.36 | pelzi_ | it seems like my orinoco has failed :S |
| 21:53.39 | Jabka | d0uglas_: now im afraid .. \\ |
| 21:53.49 | pelzi_ | if even orinocos stop working where is the world going... |
| 21:53.50 | Jabka | d0uglas_: what module did you use |
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| 21:54.37 | d0uglas_ | Jabka: the one i extracted with bcm43xx-fwcutter |
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| 21:54.41 | d0uglas_ | again, with limited success |
| 21:55.17 | Jabka | d0uglas_:k .. |
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| 21:55.33 | ShredZ | I sort of accidently messed up my grub file, could anyone give me the grub command to start the 2.6.15-k7 kernel image (well I just need the name of the file to boot, don't know it by heart) |
| 21:55.40 | d0uglas_ | good luck avoiding the headaches i went through.. later |
| 21:56.00 | Jabka | d0uglas_:thnx good luck with the hdd |
| 21:56.27 | pelzi_ | ShredZ: kernel /vmlinuz-2.6.15-k7 |
| 21:56.40 | pelzi_ | or /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.15-k7 |
| 21:56.51 | Jabka | ShredZ: vmlinuz-kernelno |
| 21:56.53 | pelzi_ | depends on if you have a separate /boot |
| 21:57.00 | Jabka | in boot |
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| 21:58.24 | ShredZ | you guys sure about the vmlinuz part ? |
| 21:58.38 | pelzi_ | pretty sure. |
| 21:58.43 | Jabka | yep |
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| 21:59.03 | Jabka | beawere that you need to change both lines |
| 21:59.43 | Jabka | the vmlinux and initrd |
| 22:00.09 | ShredZ | Jabka, yea I know but I accidently put my old gentoo grub file in there instead of the debian one |
| 22:00.10 | pelzi_ | vmlinuz. |
| 22:00.18 | ShredZ | think I'll just repair it with live cd |
| 22:00.23 | Jabka | both go as vmlinux-number and initrd.img-nomber |
| 22:00.23 | pelzi_ | nah |
| 22:00.39 | pelzi_ | root (hd0,0) or whatever contains your /boot |
| 22:00.51 | pelzi_ | kernel /boot/vmlinuz-number root=rootpart ro |
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| 22:01.01 | Jabka | so you can restore it there is buckup file in /etc/boot |
| 22:01.06 | zepeuga | guys in KDE, my root password doesnt work like in shell |
| 22:01.10 | pelzi_ | initrd /boot/initrd.img-nr |
| 22:01.15 | pelzi_ | KDE is broken. |
| 22:01.16 | pelzi_ | boot |
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| 22:01.41 | zepeuga | pelzi_: how can i correct it ? |
| 22:01.50 | pelzi_ | no idea, I don't use KDE. |
| 22:02.01 | zepeuga | how do you know that its broken ? |
| 22:02.02 | pelzi_ | someone else might know. |
| 22:02.13 | pelzi_ | because it has been discussed here many times lately |
| 22:02.17 | kreg_work | eterm? |
| 22:02.18 | pelzi_ | I want to sleep-> |
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| 22:02.35 | Jabka | to restore grub menu just go to /boot/grub and cp menu.lst~ to menu.lst |
| 22:03.07 | pelzi_ | or remove the whole menu.lst and run update-grub. |
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| 22:04.12 | Jabka | pelzi:is there a way to check what kernel are installed into each system |
| 22:04.21 | ShredZ | I know all this, I just don't know the exact version number and stuff that's installed :s |
| 22:04.31 | pelzi_ | Jabka: dpkg -l? |
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| 22:04.56 | Jabka | diffrent distros |
| 22:04.57 | Jabka | like debian installer do |
| 22:05.32 | pelzi_ | hmm. no idea really |
| 22:05.44 | baldr | please, ho to set kernel config parameter to compile ip_tables.ko module? |
| 22:05.46 | pelzi_ | I guess it snoops around /boot or something |
| 22:05.49 | baldr | please, how to set kernel config parameter to compile ip_tables.ko module? |
| 22:05.58 | Jabka | bummer i have 5 distros with lot of kernels |
| 22:06.40 | Jabka | but how it recognize them ? |
| 22:07.02 | CosmoDad | ShredZ: grub's shell supports file completion, so you don't need to guess the exact name |
| 22:07.16 | ShredZ | CosmoDad, super, thanks |
| 22:07.36 | gar0 | Is the "netinst CD" exactly the same as the "businesscard CD" + "extra packages" ? |
| 22:07.49 | zepeuga | anyone knows whats wrong with KDE ? when it asks root password in control center, it says its wrong |
| 22:08.06 | gar0 | Or are there differences in the installation procedure ? |
| 22:08.29 | Jabka | zepeuga: 3.5 ? |
| 22:08.37 | Jabka | i meen kde version ? |
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| 22:09.19 | zepeuga | Jabka: 3.5.5 |
| 22:09.25 | stew | gar0: the businesscard is nothing but the installer, no packages. the netinst also contains the base packages |
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| 22:09.51 | gar0 | but the installation procedure is exactly the same ? |
| 22:09.57 | pelzi_ | mostly yes |
| 22:10.01 | stew | gar0: yes |
| 22:10.05 | Jabka | zepeuga: try moving into single layout (keyboard) it worked for me .. |
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| 22:10.19 | gar0 | yes or mostly yes ? |
| 22:10.23 | zepeuga | Jabka: how can i do that ? |
| 22:10.35 | tuv | is nvidia going to be available for etch when it is released or not? |
| 22:10.35 | pelzi_ | apart from the package source it is the same. |
| 22:11.13 | tuv | it's been a long while since nvidia was last in testing :( |
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| 22:11.17 | ktwilight | any reason why swap doesn't clear itself when its done? |
| 22:11.27 | pelzi_ | eh? |
| 22:11.30 | Jabka | control center - > Regional ->keybord layot ->choose one that will have latin and your lan |
| 22:11.35 | Jabka | language |
| 22:11.36 | jspiro | hi again all. are most debian packages built with -g so i can get good backtraces from core dumps? |
| 22:11.54 | gar0 | k, thanks |
| 22:13.25 | Jabka | how do i bring up wifi (ifup wlan wont work) |
| 22:13.44 | stew | Jabka: install wireless-tools ; man 7 wireless ; man 5 interfaces |
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| 22:13.57 | Jabka | stew : 10x |
| 22:14.54 | jspiro | Jabka: what is 10x? |
| 22:15.03 | EdLin | !10x |
| 22:15.04 | dpkg | hmm... 10x is TEN times? Why not just do it once, properly? |
| 22:15.29 | EdLin | 10x is a lame form of "thanks" |
| 22:15.33 | jspiro | dpkg has amusing lines sometimes. |
| 22:15.53 | EdLin | !kingsleysmite jspiro |
| 22:15.54 | dpkg | Citizen Volunteer jspiro: Your Productivity* Rating has fallen below 0.672842816255194! This is unacceptable. Please report to http://www.nas.com/~change/private/irc/ for immediate termination! |
| 22:15.56 | jspiro | dpkg: no, 10x is a l33t way of saying "thank you" |
| 22:15.56 | dpkg | jspiro: okay |
| 22:16.25 | EdLin | jspiro: you're no fun :P |
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| 22:16.30 | pelzi_ | 10x is 10 times x |
| 22:16.37 | gar0 | Does anybody know if a bootloader for a CD exists ? I want to write two cd-images as files on 1 cd and be able to choose between them |
| 22:16.39 | jspiro | EdLin: i dont know l33t. |
| 22:16.59 | EdLin | !prize pelzi_ |
| 22:17.00 | jspiro | gar0: i dunno, but perhaps look into what ultimate boot CD and ubcd4win use. |
| 22:17.14 | Gnomer__ | !prize Gnomer__ |
| 22:17.16 | jspiro | they may have what you need, i'm not sure. |
| 22:17.21 | jspiro | !goat Jabka |
| 22:17.23 | jspiro | oops |
| 22:17.38 | Gnomer__ | There goes my ego >.< |
| 22:17.52 | jspiro | that was tab completion at work. i thought that since i was the last one to talk that "tab" would refer to me. |
| 22:17.56 | jspiro | Jabka: i apologize |
| 22:17.58 | Jabka | jspiro : im no goat maybe gnu but not a goat |
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| 22:18.01 | jspiro | :) |
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| 22:18.04 | EdLin | gar0: GRUB works with CDs, I don't know how to do it, but it is |
| 22:18.14 | EdLin | s/is/does |
| 22:18.26 | pelzi_ | but I doubt grub can boot a cd image |
| 22:18.28 | Jabka | gar0: fo you need to load cd wile grub ? |
| 22:18.40 | pelzi_ | and the OS in the image probably won't understand the image either |
| 22:19.06 | EdLin | pelzi_: I've seen it used as a bootloader, I assume linux-cd or an ElTorritto boot image was used before loading grub |
| 22:19.15 | EdLin | s/linux-cd/linux-iso |
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| 22:19.52 | pelzi_ | you missed the point |
| 22:19.53 | gar0 | grub (if it can do it) should be on the cd, and it should let me choose a image (iso file) of a bootable cd |
| 22:20.11 | pelzi_ | booting grub on a cd != booting a cd-image using grub |
| 22:20.26 | EdLin | gar0: why do you want to do that? |
| 22:20.45 | jspiro | gar0: just buy a stack of erasable CDs and a thin CD case :) |
| 22:20.49 | craigevil | why not just make a livecd? |
| 22:20.49 | gar0 | I want to have 2 live cd's on 1 cd |
| 22:21.03 | pelzi_ | it's not possible I'd say. |
| 22:21.09 | craigevil | search google there is a way to do that |
| 22:21.10 | pelzi_ | you have to modify the OSes at least |
| 22:21.10 | EdLin | gar0: that's not the way you'd go about doing that |
| 22:21.14 | Jabka | you can use kazit or slax for that just chooce fromiso |
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| 22:21.46 | jspiro | gar0: if there's something you need added to knoppix or kanotix or mepis, email the maintainer and ask them if they'll add it. or use morphix and add it yourself. or boot ubuntu then apt-get what you need. |
| 22:21.49 | EdLin | Yeah, I've heard Slax is good at building your own derivitives, but it's OT here. |
| 22:21.55 | craigevil | Multi Distro is Linux times 9 on a single CD-R > http://distrocenter.linux.com/article.pl?sid=06/05/22/1353239&tid=127 |
| 22:22.07 | Jabka | gar0:after fromiso you put the path |
| 22:22.21 | craigevil | ^ that might be a good place to start |
| 22:22.28 | jspiro | craigevil: i bet its not 9 times as good as ubuntu or knoppix tho :) |
| 22:22.51 | craigevil | anything is 9 times as good as ubuntu |
| 22:22.58 | Jabka | :D |
| 22:23.30 | EdLin | fvwm-crystal > GNOME |
| 22:23.36 | streuner | hm |
| 22:24.00 | Jabka | gar0:find dubix or artium on on www.whatsup.co.il |
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| 22:24.11 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 22:24.12 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
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| 22:24.34 | streuner | !sunday |
| 22:24.34 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 22:24.57 | Jabka | gar0:they are disto wiz |
| 22:25.22 | ethernet | hello everybody, I recently updated debian with apt.. and I noticed that users can't do "su" root now.. I was saying /bin/su hasn't permission for accesing, I chmod it and now it works, troubles comes now because it says: authentication invalid, like if I would be bad typing password.. where is this lock that doesn't allow me to switch root ? |
| 22:25.48 | craigevil | multi distro DVD > http://www.nautopia.net/archives/es/linux_distribuciones/custom/coleccion_live_cd.php |
| 22:25.58 | craigevil | ethernet in kde? |
| 22:26.02 | stew | ethernet: what does "ls -l $(which su)" say? |
| 22:26.13 | EdLin | craigevil: unless all of those distros are Debian, they are OT here. |
| 22:26.22 | ethernet | stew, -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 27000 2006-09-17 05:05 /bin/su |
| 22:26.30 | ethernet | craigevil, yeah, in console too |
| 22:27.19 | EdLin | ethernet: you need to set it suid root |
| 22:27.27 | stew | ethernet: yes, it lost its suid bit, it should be chmod 4775 |
| 22:27.33 | ethernet | there I go |
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| 22:27.55 | streuner | -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 27000 2006-09-17 10:05 /bin/su |
| 22:28.00 | ethernet | now it works perfectly |
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| 22:28.05 | craigevil | why does it need to be 4775? mine says rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 27000 Sep 17 04:05 /bin/su |
| 22:28.05 | ethernet | thank you so much EdLin, stew |
| 22:28.11 | craigevil | and it works just fine |
| 22:28.16 | EdLin | craigevil: notice the "s" |
| 22:28.18 | stew | craigevil: yeah, that is 4775 |
| 22:28.27 | streuner | cargevil: how does this happened? |
| 22:28.31 | ethernet | -rwsrwxr-x 1 root root 27000 2006-09-17 05:05 /bin/su |
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| 22:28.53 | tuxedup | How can I extract the contents of an srpm file to get the source files to build it on debian? |
| 22:28.59 | stew | oh, it should be 4755 (not that there is much of a difference there) |
| 22:29.02 | tarzeau | tuxedup: using rpm or mc |
| 22:29.19 | tarzeau | tuxedup: what says file the.srpm ? isn't that cpio archives? |
| 22:29.27 | ethernet | see you later |
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| 22:29.38 | streuner | tuxedup: hm |
| 22:30.12 | streuner | tuxedup: why do you want a srpm anyway, it causes trouble... |
| 22:30.28 | tarzeau | tuxedup: of which software? |
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| 22:30.36 | tarzeau | streuner: he just wants the files from inside? |
| 22:30.39 | javaJake | Hey guys, I was wonderin'... how do I create a startup script that attempts to read 1 character from the user, and timeout after 3 seconds |
| 22:30.41 | tarzeau | streuner: i've also need it once: |
| 22:30.41 | davidw | hey, why is apache nice'd in stable? |
| 22:30.54 | streuner | tarzeau: i used it ones... |
| 22:30.57 | javaJake | Cause my program gets up to "read", times out, and quits, leaving the rest of the script unfinished |
| 22:30.59 | Jabka | good night ppl |
| 22:31.04 | javaJake | Bye Jabka |
| 22:31.04 | tuxedup | I dont want to install it, I just want to get source from it to build it. I cannot find the source anywhere else other then this srpm. Its just the la-ora theme from mandriva 07 |
| 22:31.08 | tarzeau | streuner: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=391662 |
| 22:31.32 | beardy | javaJake: Why do you want, or need input during startup? |
| 22:31.36 | streuner | tarzeau: heh? |
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| 22:31.44 | javaJake | To decide how my X should be configured for this session |
| 22:31.44 | streuner | !dbugs 391662 |
| 22:31.48 | dpkg | #391662:W[wnpp] ITP: ttf-georgewilliams -- Fonts by George Williams; Sat, 7 Oct 2006 23:48:24 UTC |
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| 22:31.55 | tarzeau | streuner: once, what are you saying? |
| 22:32.07 | davidw | seems kind of lame to arbitrarily run the web server with a nice value of '10' :-/ |
| 22:32.10 | streuner | tarzeau: i had trouble without end... |
| 22:32.13 | javaJake | Because having dual monitors means no 3D, and 3D means no dual monitors, and neither means stableness |
| 22:32.21 | tarzeau | streuner: using source rpms? |
| 22:32.30 | streuner | tarzeau: so it was the first and the *last* time using that crap |
| 22:32.33 | beardy | javaJake: Use startx and different configurations. |
| 22:32.37 | zinx | javaJake: what card? |
| 22:32.45 | javaJake | ATI Mobility Radeon M6 LY |
| 22:32.49 | javaJake | 8 MB RAM |
| 22:32.50 | beardy | javaJake: Start them manually, when you have logged in. |
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| 22:33.06 | zinx | javaJake: wow oldschool |
| 22:33.14 | tarzeau | streuner: used it how? |
| 22:33.14 | pelzi_ | not that old |
| 22:33.15 | javaJake | zinx, Oh yea! Works great too |
| 22:33.21 | zinx | 8MB == old :D |
| 22:33.21 | pelzi_ | I have the same thing |
| 22:33.23 | tarzeau | streuner: using rpm on a debian system is crap |
| 22:33.26 | pelzi_ | 2002 |
| 22:33.28 | beardy | zinx: No. |
| 22:33.29 | pelzi_ | is it that old... |
| 22:33.36 | tarzeau | streuner: but a source rpm is just any software source archive? |
| 22:33.39 | streuner | tarzeau: sure :-) that's too :-) |
| 22:33.39 | javaJake | beardy, If it is going to be manual, I might as well edit the config in single mode. :/ |
| 22:33.54 | beardy | Somewhat old is 512kb video RAM. |
| 22:33.57 | tarzeau | streuner: some software isn't available anything else bug src rpm? |
| 22:33.57 | javaJake | All I want to know is how to use "read -t"without causing my script to die |
| 22:34.09 | javaJake | :P |
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| 22:34.11 | zinx | beardy: for 3d + dual head, 8MB isn't really going to cut it |
| 22:34.12 | tarzeau | beardy: twice what vga had by default in memory |
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| 22:34.16 | streuner | tarzeau: uhm, deadrat and SuSEcrap put some patches into that for _there_ needs... |
| 22:34.24 | tarzeau | streuner: their |
| 22:34.33 | tarzeau | streuner: you're free to not use their patches? |
| 22:34.36 | pelzi_ | is 4 years that old... |
| 22:34.43 | streuner | tarzeau: sure :-) |
| 22:34.55 | javaJake | zinx, Plus, 3D causes loads of issues. My background is stretched, abd my laptop monitor seems to be in 8 bit (have to look into that). |
| 22:35.03 | streuner | tarzeau: as i said before, Don't use that crap in debian. |
| 22:35.09 | javaJake | Dual head causes loads of issues* |
| 22:35.17 | pelzi_ | dual head is a pain. |
| 22:35.23 | tarzeau | pelzi_: why? |
| 22:35.29 | javaJake | pelzi_, Actually, just the opposite |
| 22:35.30 | pelzi_ | I'd rather not use it in a lappy |
| 22:35.35 | zinx | javaJake: eeevil |
| 22:35.47 | javaJake | Right now I am checking me e-mail and doing IRC. On two monitors. I love it |
| 22:35.51 | zinx | javaJake: you may look in to 'mergefb' or 'mergedfb', i forget which it's called |
| 22:35.57 | javaJake | But I only want to use dual configuration when I know I am going to use it |
| 22:36.01 | tarzeau | a lot of chocolate in my stomach is pain |
| 22:36.06 | pelzi_ | then restart X |
| 22:36.17 | javaJake | I have... that souds aweful. I want to be able to have two screens, not one virtual one |
| 22:36.21 | streuner | tarzeau: put a finger into your mouth and pray :-) |
| 22:36.32 | pelzi_ | I rather have 2 PCs |
| 22:36.38 | beardy | or move the finger around, whichever works best |
| 22:36.51 | pelzi_ | and I use GNU screen, easy to check mail while ircing ;) |
| 22:36.52 | streuner | beardy: hehe :-) |
| 22:36.53 | javaJake | OK, let me rephraze this again: All I want to know is how to use "read -t" without causing my SH startup script to quit. |
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| 22:37.14 | zinx | javaJake: it's still two screens, and works fairly well if your window manager supports xinerama |
| 22:37.21 | javaJake | That's it. I don't need help on my other options or why my card stinks, etc. I already know all that, believe it or not. |
| 22:37.28 | zinx | javaJake: and you get the added bonus of being able to move stuff across screens |
| 22:37.43 | zinx | i'm just throwing out options |
| 22:37.44 | javaJake | zinx, I can already do that |
| 22:37.46 | zinx | you seemed to want both :x |
| 22:37.57 | javaJake | Oh, sorry, no... |
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| 22:38.17 | javaJake | So, any ideas? |
| 22:38.19 | javaJake | :P |
| 22:38.36 | javaJake | How about this: how do I accept user input at startup? |
| 22:38.38 | pelzi_ | redirect input from /dev/console |
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| 22:38.47 | pelzi_ | not sure about it, might work. |
| 22:38.57 | javaJake | pelzi_, OK... so something like this? "$userInput < /dev/console"? |
| 22:39.05 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 22:39.06 | zinx | <> /dev/console |
| 22:39.12 | pelzi_ | read < /dev/console |
| 22:39.23 | zinx | run the whole script with <> /dev/console |
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| 22:39.41 | javaJake | pelzi_, when read times out, it quits the entire script. Is there any way to avoid that if I use read? |
| 22:39.49 | javaJake | zinx, ??? |
| 22:40.02 | javaJake | zinx, So I'd still use read? |
| 22:40.12 | zinx | ( script here ) <> /dev/console > /dev/console 2> /dev/console |
| 22:40.30 | pelzi_ | make the script do what you want to do when timeouting before calling read |
| 22:40.32 | javaJake | O_o |
| 22:40.52 | zinx | that will give you what a normal program has when init starts it |
| 22:40.56 | javaJake | pelzi_, But that's just it... I can't. Read asks the user what they want to do, and times out in case I'm not there |
| 22:41.04 | javaJake | zinx, Ah, I see |
| 22:41.15 | javaJake | zinx, But that still leaves the issue of "read -t". |
| 22:41.21 | zinx | javaJake: it does? |
| 22:41.24 | javaJake | Or maybe I'm doing something wrong? |
| 22:41.37 | pelzi_ | umm? |
| 22:41.43 | javaJake | zinx, (I'm running in a bash terminal as a preliminary test...) |
| 22:42.06 | javaJake | Well, when read times it, it returns a null variable. |
| 22:42.07 | pelzi_ | (do anything to set the default); read; (change it according to what the user said) |
| 22:42.07 | javaJake | So when "if" is called, does it "crash"? |
| 22:42.09 | pelzi_ | no |
| 22:42.16 | javaJake | pelzi_, Oh... right right! Thanks |
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| 22:42.28 | javaJake | pelzi_, That is only a temporary solution, however... |
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| 22:42.32 | pelzi_ | yep |
| 22:42.35 | javaJake | pelzi_, At least, I hope it is. |
| 22:42.37 | javaJake | Ah good |
| 22:42.42 | pelzi_ | kludging is usually just easier. |
| 22:42.49 | javaJake | !paste |
| 22:42.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 22:42.55 | pelzi_ | but I was going to sleep... |
| 22:43.05 | javaJake | Oh noooo |
| 22:43.06 | javaJake | ;) |
| 22:43.30 | pelzi_ | it's 2 am |
| 22:43.33 | javaJake | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4079 |
| 22:43.34 | javaJake | OK |
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| 22:43.45 | javaJake | At least take a quick look to tell me if I'm doing something wrong |
| 22:44.02 | rumpl | Hi, I have a 2.6.16 kernel, and the hibernate script is complaining that there is no /proc/sys/kernel/osrelease, is this normal or not? can I give the script some other file where he can get the same information ? |
| 22:44.08 | javaJake | Oh, the wierd formatting near the end after that comment is because of nano |
| 22:44.14 | pelzi_ | you miss a ] |
| 22:44.26 | javaJake | Oh, right... ignore that line |
| 22:44.32 | javaJake | It's a half-baked thing.... |
| 22:44.34 | javaJake | :D |
| 22:44.43 | javaJake | Isn't meant to be there, actually.... |
| 22:44.58 | pelzi_ | and remove the $ at the first line |
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| 22:45.09 | javaJake | OK |
| 22:45.44 | javaJake | Hmmm... still doesn't work |
| 22:46.30 | jetscreamer | use nano -w |
| 22:46.33 | javaJake | OK |
| 22:46.44 | javaJake | Oh, right... I knew that... don't remember all the time |
| 22:46.52 | jetscreamer | i aliased it |
| 22:47.07 | javaJake | Aliased what? |
| 22:47.18 | jetscreamer | nano -w as nano |
| 22:47.24 | javaJake | Oh... duh |
| 22:47.55 | javaJake | Any other ideas? |
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| 22:48.47 | javaJake | Maybe I should ask at the bash channel... |
| 22:49.06 | pelzi_ | you're inputting from file descriptor 1 to read? |
| 22:49.10 | pelzi_ | isn't that stdout |
| 22:49.28 | zinx | that is stdout |
| 22:49.31 | jetscreamer | yeh i was gonna suggest #bash |
| 22:49.31 | javaJake | Hmmm... OK |
| 22:49.46 | zinx | but you can output to stdin :D |
| 22:49.50 | javaJake | Nope, still no go.... |
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| 22:52.10 | javaJake | Here's the complete script: |
| 22:52.10 | javaJake | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4082 |
| 22:52.51 | javaJake | LOL |
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| 22:53.32 | PumpkinPie | does you chain hang low.... |
| 22:53.39 | PumpkinPie | does it wobble to the floor |
| 22:53.47 | PumpkinPie | is it platinum, is it gold? |
| 22:54.06 | PumpkinPie | doeeesss yourrr chainn hang loowwww |
| 22:54.12 | javaJake | .... |
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| 22:56.10 | Sypher | guys, from iptables point of view, if i have a gateway acting also as a firewall for the internal net, where should i filter? on the forward or on the input-output chains? the packets going to the internet from the internal network are passing trough input then output or just in the forward chain? |
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| 22:58.35 | jetscreamer | are there no file permissions in xp home? |
| 22:58.55 | lunitik | PumpkinPie: you forgot at least a line there.... |
| 22:58.56 | pelzi_ | Sypher: forward afaik, but I hate iptables so don't trust me |
| 22:59.11 | jetscreamer | where's the 'take ownership' |
| 22:59.36 | streuner | jetscreamer: there is only one permission, you could always throw that into trash :-) |
| 22:59.44 | Sypher | pelzi_, lol ok thanks ;P |
| 22:59.52 | jetscreamer | heh shit wrong channel :) |
| 23:00.08 | streuner | hm |
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| 23:03.40 | elif | hello all, I would like to start some application at the start-up of the gnome in my second screen, there is anyway to do that ( I already do it with the first screen, but not in the second).thks! |
| 23:03.44 | streuner | jetscreamer: are you only on FN? |
| 23:03.58 | jetscreamer | fn? |
| 23:04.01 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 23:04.03 | streuner | freenode |
| 23:04.09 | jetscreamer | i'm not in the debian cahn on oftc |
| 23:04.13 | jetscreamer | chan |
| 23:04.33 | jetscreamer | that reminds me.. thanks |
| 23:04.38 | streuner | it wouldn't be very clever to ask there a window question :-) |
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| 23:04.50 | streuner | windows* |
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| 23:05.46 | streuner | nor than on FN... |
| 23:06.09 | jetscreamer | a lot more radical and violent over there are they |
| 23:06.16 | jetscreamer | go figure |
| 23:06.27 | streuner | heh |
| 23:06.52 | jetscreamer | toshiba+windows is the worst pos |
| 23:07.00 | streuner | hm |
| 23:07.03 | jetscreamer | that +aol ==hell |
| 23:07.40 | jetscreamer | check this: |
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| 23:08.33 | jetscreamer | i took a toshiba dvd, fully functional, from a toshiba laptop into a different toshiba laptop. the stupid bios doesn't seem to recognize it, so i can't boot from cd/dvd. |
| 23:08.45 | jetscreamer | and it's a toshiba dvd |
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| 23:09.13 | streuner | hm, sounds like a question for toshiba, why didn't you ask them? |
| 23:09.20 | jetscreamer | hahahahahaha |
| 23:09.39 | streuner | well, i must ask so naiv |
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| 23:09.44 | jetscreamer | omfg you ever been to hp/compaq? they're total open source compared |
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| 23:09.59 | jetscreamer | toshiba gah |
| 23:10.02 | streuner | that's support |
| 23:10.07 | jetscreamer | ha |
| 23:10.14 | jetscreamer | pay me support |
| 23:10.19 | jetscreamer | rma? ha! |
| 23:10.58 | jetscreamer | they make it hard on purpose afaict to keep their authorized service agents happy |
| 23:11.04 | jetscreamer | or whatever |
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| 23:11.30 | jetscreamer | it's just totally a pita dealing with them on any plane.. nothing like any other company i've had to deal with |
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| 23:12.19 | jetscreamer | i think they might have hardcoded recognition for just one type of dvd . oh.. it works fine in windows... just won't boot from bios. |
| 23:12.45 | jetscreamer | all i want to do is nuke it, and i can't |
| 23:12.53 | jetscreamer | it's the laptop from hell! |
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| 23:14.29 | streuner | !nuke Toshiba's support |
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| 23:15.00 | jetscreamer | check this too: it will not copy gnu utilities for windows. it will not copy .xchat2, which originally was on this debian box. but it copied the windows stuff. and this was from a winbox to a winbox on network |
| 23:15.25 | jetscreamer | i think it's sentient |
| 23:15.33 | jetscreamer | and knows what i want to do to it |
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| 23:16.09 | jetscreamer | it won't connect to the wireless network, either |
| 23:16.33 | lunitik | s/think/thinks/ |
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| 23:17.19 | jetscreamer | huh i saved it's life. it was bsod'ing at boot i took the hd out and redid the registry in another box |
| 23:17.45 | jetscreamer | it's an ungrateful bitch too |
| 23:17.53 | jetscreamer | i've nuked it before :) |
| 23:17.54 | mikeleib | anybody had any luck using apt-build to build ruby on sarge/ |
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| 23:18.05 | jetscreamer | about 180 days ago |
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| 23:18.33 | jetscreamer | that's how old the spyware scanner def files were :) |
| 23:18.59 | jetscreamer | course they had gayol AND sbcyuckwho |
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| 23:19.23 | jetscreamer | oh. it's a kid's :) |
| 23:19.38 | jetscreamer | daddy must pay |
| 23:19.48 | jetscreamer | and pay |
| 23:20.02 | jetscreamer | ok anyway thanks i, needed that |
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| 23:21.39 | Marupa | Hi....quick question about upgrading. |
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| 23:22.21 | Marupa | If I totally upgrade my computer except the main harddrive, and if I have my server running headless, will it still run correctly, or will I have to edit the settings? |
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| 23:24.25 | dfx- | I'm trying to install vmware and it's asking for my C header files. I just upgraded and am running a debian linux-kernel. I've tried installing the linux-source and the linux-headers but vmware still complains. Any ideas? |
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| 23:24.50 | dfx- | and kernel-headers doesn't seem to have my kernel version |
| 23:24.56 | diskus | Marupa: depends on hardware but if you have standard debian kernel and that new hardware can use it (boot without problems) then I guess it will |
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| 23:25.10 | dfx- | I've been running vmware just fine before the upgrade |
| 23:25.20 | Marupa | well, I'm going to be upgrading CPU, Mobo, ram, and adding two harddrives. |
| 23:25.26 | robin_sz | sigh ... today is one of those days you reallise just how good Linux is ... |
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| 23:25.46 | robin_sz | after getting to the point of nearly beating my XP machine to death with a hammer |
| 23:25.47 | streuner | dfx-: use some kernel which have the kernel-headers? |
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| 23:26.05 | diskus | Marupa: should boot fine, if that drive is in the same ide bus |
| 23:26.10 | Marupa | it should be. |
| 23:26.19 | Marupa | so no problems with it then. Cool. |
| 23:26.31 | streuner | dfx-: there are many options in debian (kernels)... |
| 23:26.40 | kokade | can anyone help me with my adsl problem? ^^ |
| 23:26.49 | streuner | no |
| 23:27.00 | streuner | as long you don't ask we cannot help |
| 23:27.03 | streuner | !ask |
| 23:27.03 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 23:27.06 | dfx- | streuner: well, there's a package for linux-headers-2.6.18-1-686 which is the kernel I'm running |
| 23:27.24 | streuner | dfx-: oh, sounds like unstable :-) |
| 23:27.30 | dfx- | streuner: heh, yeah, just "upgraded" |
| 23:27.46 | dfx- | streuner: kinda had to to fix a firefox backports problem |
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| 23:28.43 | streuner | well, a clever way to shoot yourself in to foot, resolve a firefox backport problem upgrading to unstable |
| 23:29.11 | Caelum | why is /usr/bin/resize in the xterm package? |
| 23:29.18 | streuner | why not just use some binaries (firefox)? |
| 23:29.53 | streuner | resize - set TERMCAP and terminal settings to current xterm window size |
| 23:30.00 | streuner | sounds logicical |
| 23:30.09 | diskus | kokade: asking? |
| 23:30.09 | Caelum | it works on all terminals though |
| 23:30.22 | Caelum | I think it comes with ncurses on some systems |
| 23:31.16 | streuner | logical* |
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| 23:31.56 | dfx- | streuner: sorry, screen froze up on me after I posted about the linux-headers |
| 23:32.05 | kokade | diskus i use to have a k7 processor with debian testing, and it was working fine, so i got a problem with my motherboard and i have to replace both processor and mobo, now i use athlon64, i reinstall debian testing but i cannot reach my modem |
| 23:32.29 | streuner | dfx-: welcome to unstable :-) |
| 23:32.32 | dfx- | is there anywhere I can read about the different debian kernel packages? linux-image vs kernel-image, and which headers to get, the generic or the specific |
| 23:32.51 | dfx- | streuner: yeah, well, I've ran unstable for a while on my other box, but I've never tried installing a debian packaged kernel |
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| 23:32.54 | pelzi_ | more like "don't press ctrl+s in screen" |
| 23:33.02 | dfx- | pelzi_: yeah, something like that :) |
| 23:33.14 | kokade | diskus i dont know what to do because everything is the same,but motherboard and processor.. |
| 23:33.16 | dfx- | pelzi_: ctrl+q or something is supposed to unfreze it, but it didn't work |
| 23:33.17 | pelzi_ | and when you do, press ctrl+q |
| 23:33.48 | dfx- | pelzi_: perhaps my beating on the keyboard broke it |
| 23:34.05 | diskus | kokade: modem is pci or external? |
| 23:34.15 | kokade | diskus external |
| 23:34.26 | diskus | kokade: connected thru ethernet? |
| 23:34.29 | diskus | or usb? |
| 23:35.21 | streuner | dfx-: you should know about your bootloader... |
| 23:35.29 | kokade | diskus sure |
| 23:35.34 | diskus | kokade: what sure? |
| 23:35.38 | kokade | diskus ethernet |
| 23:35.38 | pelzi_ | if it's usb adsl I'd ditch it. they are a major pain even under windoze. |
| 23:35.47 | dfx- | streuner: are you referring to grub? |
| 23:35.53 | streuner | dfx-: both |
| 23:35.58 | pelzi_ | is the adsl pppoe or bridged? |
| 23:36.00 | smacnay__ | where can one free up space on /var ? Seems that most is taken up in /var/lib |
| 23:36.08 | diskus | kokade: you sure that you have correct ip and other settings? |
| 23:36.17 | diskus | kokade: and that your eth0 is working fine |
| 23:36.21 | streuner | dfx-: grub or lilo, i don't have any idea about grub, most people tend to use what they know... |
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| 23:36.50 | streuner | dfx-: in case something went wrong |
| 23:37.05 | dfx- | streuner: yeah, I know a bit about both ... I could boot into an earlier workign kernel, true, but I would like to get it working with this new one if possible |
| 23:37.20 | streuner | no magic |
| 23:37.36 | dfx- | streuner: I think my confusion is with which header package to download, the generic or the specific one |
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| 23:37.38 | streuner | just apt-get install <your-kernel> and pray :-) |
| 23:37.57 | dfx- | streuner: :) well the kernel installed and seems to be working great |
| 23:38.04 | dfx- | streuner: now vmware wants to know where my header files are |
| 23:38.10 | kokade | diskus i'm using eht0 right now, with another OS, and i used after change my mobo on debian, works fine. |
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| 23:38.21 | abrotman | dfx-: so install the headers .. |
| 23:38.22 | streuner | dfx-: dpkg -L <package> |
| 23:38.39 | dfx- | streuner: and come to think of it, it all worked great with the 2.6.8.3 kernel and headers under sarge |
| 23:38.48 | diskus | kokade: yeah but you should make sure that you have working eth0 in debian |
| 23:38.59 | streuner | abrotman: he already said, his kernel didn't have the headers... |
| 23:39.10 | dfx- | streuner: but that was kernel-headers, and now my kernel version is only listed under linux-image |
| 23:39.11 | pelzi_ | and write down the settings under the working OS |
| 23:39.14 | abrotman | didn't he just say he's running a debian kernel ? |
| 23:39.22 | streuner | of course :-) |
| 23:39.30 | streuner | 2.6.18.1 |
| 23:39.34 | abrotman | then he has headers available |
| 23:39.40 | kokade | diskus it works after changing mobo in debian etch |
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| 23:40.01 | dfx- | there are headers for 2.6.18-1, 2.6.1801-686, and 2.6-686 |
| 23:40.02 | streuner | dfx-: the tric is to use 'uname -r' |
| 23:40.05 | dfx- | I've installed them all :) |
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| 23:40.21 | diskus | kokade: but? |
| 23:40.25 | abrotman | dfx-: what file is vmware looking for ? |
| 23:41.04 | dfx- | abrotman: version.h |
| 23:41.04 | abrotman | !version.h |
| 23:41.04 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
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| 23:41.04 | dfx- | abrotman: it complains that I haven't "complied my kernel, yet" |
| 23:41.10 | abrotman | it's stupid :) |
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| 23:41.12 | kokade | diskus but i chance motherboard and its not working anymore |
| 23:41.17 | kokade | change* |
| 23:41.18 | dfx- | abrotman: heh |
| 23:41.30 | diskus | kokade: you have internal ethernet in your motherboard? |
| 23:41.34 | pelzi_ | didn't you just say it's working... |
| 23:41.48 | GoAuLd | my synaptic doesnt recognice root passwd when i type it, and it hangs anyone with this problem recently? |
| 23:41.53 | kokade | diskus offboard |
| 23:42.00 | abrotman | GoAuLd: sid ? |
| 23:42.04 | GoAuLd | synaptic hangs after upgrade |
| 23:42.09 | GoAuLd | etch |
| 23:42.17 | pelzi_ | does the ethernet work in debian or not? do you have an integrated network card at all? |
| 23:42.34 | GoAuLd | it hangs just when synaptic finish configuring the last packet |
| 23:43.02 | diskus | kokade: if you want help, you need to tell us a lot more than you do, and preferably in a way we can understand easier |
| 23:43.21 | streuner | dfx-: apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` |
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| 23:43.54 | karsten | nvidia |
| 23:43.59 | dfx- | streuner: that package is installed |
| 23:44.01 | karsten | Feh. |
| 23:44.09 | abrotman | dfx-: did you read what the bot said ? |
| 23:44.17 | streuner | dfx-: remove the other package then |
| 23:44.18 | abrotman | dfx-: updatedb && locate version.h |
| 23:44.31 | abrotman | dfx-: you have to do a softlink for vmware .. because it's stupid |
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| 23:44.45 | GoAuLd | how is going ati under linux? i heard few months ago that it was getting stronger support by ati, is it ok ? |
| 23:44.51 | dfx- | abrotman: yeah, and I have a version.h in /usr/include/linux but vmware config wants to know if it's for my running kernel |
| 23:45.02 | dfx- | abrotman: it's dated 9/19 so I'm thinking not |
| 23:45.05 | abrotman | dfx-: have you asked #vmware ? |
| 23:45.31 | dfx- | abrotman: it doesn't seem to be a vmware issue, rather a "which header package do I need" :) |
| 23:45.41 | abrotman | you've been told how to do that |
| 23:45.41 | dfx- | abrotman: and yea, I've located all of my version.h's and I've tried them all |
| 23:45.50 | abrotman | then i blame vmware for being stupid |
| 23:46.00 | dfx- | abrotman: yeah, i know, and I've got all those packages installed .. and yeah, I blame vmware also :) |
| 23:46.18 | abrotman | "<dfx-> abrotman: it doesn't seem to be a vmware issue," .. it is though :) |
| 23:46.29 | karsten | FYI, nvidia driver root vuln & 'sploit: http://securitydot.org/xpl/exploits/vulnerabilities/articles/1714/exploit.html http://lwn.net/Articles/204542/ |
| 23:46.31 | dfx- | abrotman: just to clear my confusion, the header packages are basically the same as downloading the source and compiling it? |
| 23:46.36 | abrotman | karsten: stop reading slashdot |
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| 23:46.49 | abrotman | dfx-: no .. headers are headers .. there are also source packages |
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| 23:46.51 | streuner | karsten: 'nv' or nvidia-glx? |
| 23:46.58 | karsten | abrotman: LWN |
| 23:47.06 | abrotman | karsten: it's everywhere |
| 23:47.09 | abrotman | streuner: binary crap |
| 23:47.20 | dfx- | abrotman: ok |
| 23:47.20 | karsten | streuner: nvidia's blob. xorg 'nv' is recommended workaround. |
| 23:47.21 | abrotman | streuner: it's on planet.d.o also |
| 23:47.21 | streuner | abrotman: are you in a bad moot? |
| 23:47.21 | De_Mon | where can I find packages that are canidates for going into unstable? |
| 23:47.40 | abrotman | !incoming |
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| 23:47.41 | dpkg | methinks incoming is to be used at your own risk, packages are even dodgier than unstable(see break) but can be got from http://incoming.debian.org/ (but not ftp), or http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-resources#s-incoming-system |
| 23:47.41 | karsten | streuner: Isn't that a mood point? |
| 23:47.42 | abrotman | !new |
| 23:47.42 | dpkg | methinks new is the NEW queue for Debian packages, part of the incoming system, at http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 23:47.54 | streuner | karsten: :-) |
| 23:48.04 | jfletcher | anyone know how to run gkrellm without having a window selector in the panel? |
| 23:48.10 | streuner | karsten: yes, thanks |
| 23:48.15 | De_Mon | thanks |
| 23:48.33 | streuner | jflec: put that into .xsession |
| 23:48.51 | streuner | jfletcher: put that into .xsession |
| 23:48.52 | jfletcher | okat |
| 23:48.53 | jfletcher | okay* |
| 23:48.58 | jfletcher | thanks =] |
| 23:49.06 | streuner | "exec gkrellm" |
| 23:49.38 | kokade | diskus i have athlon 64 processor, mobo asus a8v-mx, offboard realtek ethernet, and a modem..i connect to internet trhu adsl, i user pppeconf to connect,but it wont work, i chance my modem from brigde to router,and try to config my ethernet by fix ip but still wont work, i try dchp and nothing,the ethernet is working fine( i guess) but cant reach my router(modem) |
| 23:50.08 | jfletcher | streuner: would .xinitrc work also? |
| 23:50.26 | diskus | kokade: but from other OS you can? |
| 23:50.38 | kokade | [diskus]: sure |
| 23:50.42 | diskus | kokade: and that modem is router? |
| 23:50.42 | streuner | jfletcher: we (debian) use .xsession, but .xinitc should work too |
| 23:50.50 | dfx- | streuner: can you make the bot say that again about /usr/include ? |
| 23:50.56 | kokade | diskus yes |
| 23:51.09 | diskus | kokade: so basicaly it should have open connection to internet all the time |
| 23:51.17 | diskus | kokade: even if you're computer is off? |
| 23:51.22 | streuner | dfx-: /lastlog abrotman |
| 23:51.24 | kokade | diskus yes |
| 23:51.28 | jfletcher | streuner: I'm also on debian, I'm just a newb, I thaught you would have to link .xinitrc to .xsession for it to work with ln -s .xsession |
| 23:51.37 | diskus | kokade: how does your computer get ip address in the other os? |
| 23:51.39 | jfletcher | as by default, I have no .xsession in my home dir. |
| 23:51.41 | diskus | kokade: is it windows? |
| 23:52.03 | streuner | <abrotman> !version.h |
| 23:52.09 | streuner | !version.h |
| 23:52.09 | dpkg | if you use multiple kernels and wish to use the include files with ease, copy /usr/src/linux/include to /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z. then 'ln -fs /usr/include/kernel-X.Y.Z/linux/version.h /usr/include/linux/version.h' |
| 23:52.11 | abrotman | why god why! |
| 23:52.16 | abrotman | drink bud dry ? |
| 23:52.18 | kokade | diskus yes, its windows he gets automatically |
| 23:52.23 | dfx- | streuner: thanks! |
| 23:52.32 | abrotman | !tell dfx- about version.h |
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| 23:53.00 | diskus | kokade: then it's dhcp, but for dhcp to work you need to have right modules loaded in debian |
| 23:53.24 | diskus | kokade: I mean do you have eth0 recognized in debian during boot? |
| 23:53.51 | kokade | diskus debian recognized it, an realtek |
| 23:54.02 | streuner | abrotman: You are in bad mood ! |
| 23:54.10 | abrotman | streuner: nah .. just hungry :) |
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| 23:54.20 | diskus | kokade: and windows you don't use any external programs, just normal get automatic ip in network connections? |
| 23:54.42 | streuner | !feed abrotman |
| 23:54.45 | kokade | diskus just normal... |
| 23:54.50 | abrotman | yay |
| 23:55.05 | diskus | kokade: then try to get dhcp working in debian and it should work fine |
| 23:55.14 | diskus | kokade: no need for pppoeconf |
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| 23:55.51 | diskus | kokade: you can ofcourse check what ip address you get in Windows and try it |
| 23:56.01 | kokade | diskus i already tried that |
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| 23:56.12 | kokade | diskus both static ip and dhcp |
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| 23:56.58 | diskus | kokade: I don't know then, it should work fine |
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| 23:57.11 | kokade | diskus it's strange because i only change mobo and processor, i used to work fine |
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| 23:57.34 | diskus | but you changed from 32-bit to 64-bit? |
| 23:57.52 | kokade | diskus i'm using 32bit right now |
| 23:58.11 | kokade | diskus debian 32 etch |
| 23:58.18 | eldowan | cydork: Thanks. I'll take a look. |
| 23:58.20 | eldowan | to duplicate package selection on another machine, I would dpkg --get-selections on the source. On the dest. I would dpkg --set-selections. Is this correct? |
| 23:58.56 | diskus | kokade: and it was etch before too? |
| 23:59.03 | streuner | eldowan: learn how to use the bot |
| 23:59.06 | kokade | diskus yes |
| 23:59.13 | streuner | !listvals set-selections |
| 23:59.19 | dpkg | Factoid search of 'set-selections' by value (12): unhold ;; be thomas_adam ;; package reselect ;; console-common ;; hold ;; dselect oopsie ;; reinstall ;; samba fix ;; ffs copy ;; status-recovery ;; very fubar status file ;; debian clone. |
| 23:59.31 | streuner | !debian clone |
| 23:59.31 | dpkg | One method of cloning debian installs is to take a current debian machine that is setup with the packages you want. Run the command "dpkg --get-selections > ~/selectionfile". Then, after the base install on other machines use that file and do: "dpkg --set-selections < ./selectionfile && apt-get dselect-upgrade". |
| 23:59.44 | kokade | diskus very strange,i guess incompatibility with motherboard,dunno.. |
| 23:59.47 | diskus | kokade: that's realy realy strange thing |
