| 00:00.02 | eeyore- | dvs: and you think WPA makes it better than layered approach? |
| 00:00.11 | bigflop | great |
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| 00:00.13 | bigflop | bye |
| 00:00.15 | rapt501 | how come CONFIG_NET_RADIO does not work |
| 00:00.17 | rapt501 | when i type it |
| 00:00.20 | rapt501 | in the terminal |
| 00:00.25 | Kevin` | eeyore- layered? |
| 00:00.26 | dvs | eeyore-: Yes, because Debian isnt the only thing I run. |
| 00:00.28 | honschu | Hi, why don't you set the sails and change to irc.debian.org? |
| 00:00.32 | azeem | rapt501: it is not a command |
| 00:00.38 | rapt501 | oh |
| 00:00.43 | rapt501 | ok |
| 00:00.44 | eeyore- | Kevin`: VPN on top of WPA, with maybe some IPtables rules thrown in |
| 00:00.44 | Kevin` | wep+openvpn or something would be better then wpa imo |
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| 00:01.00 | eeyore- | Kevin`: on top of WEP |
| 00:01.04 | eeyore- | Kevin`: i mean |
| 00:01.17 | Kevin` | wpa-psk is still breakable, PKI is rather hard to :) |
| 00:01.44 | dvs | Kevin`: and WPA2? |
| 00:01.45 | rapt501 | it says in the instructions #define CONFIG_NET_RADIO 1 |
| 00:01.46 | tarzeau | honscho idiot |
| 00:01.47 | rapt501 | i do that |
| 00:01.50 | rapt501 | and nothing happens |
| 00:01.51 | Kevin` | dvs yes |
| 00:01.51 | eeyore- | Kevin`: right, and wpa-psk is still the only WPA you can reasonably expect to work under linux across different chips, if at all |
| 00:02.05 | azeem | rapt501: that is supposed to be put into a source file |
| 00:02.06 | Cooner750_ | Do I enter the Access Point MAC or leave it all 0s? |
| 00:02.11 | Kevin` | I use straight wep |
| 00:02.21 | azeem | #define is a C pre-processor directive |
| 00:02.29 | Kevin` | I fully expect people to go next door to the unsecured aps rather then waste the time :) |
| 00:02.40 | rapt501 | oh |
| 00:02.42 | eeyore- | Kevin`: yeah |
| 00:03.08 | Kevin` | if wep becomes very common, I will switch to 802.1x or wpa-enterprise |
| 00:03.08 | eeyore- | Kevin`: i got lots of neighbours with open AP's, with names like "Linksys" and "default", so i don't really worry :-) |
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| 00:03.43 | Kevin` | using openvpn, while it would work on all my computers.. hmm.. |
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| 00:04.50 | Cooner750 | Ok back |
| 00:04.53 | Cooner750 | after a network mess |
| 00:04.55 | eldowan | ould it be a bad idea to have a local mirror which mirrors all the repositories that I use? or would it be a best practice to have the base dir's different for each repo? |
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| 00:04.57 | Kevin` | hi |
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| 00:05.16 | Cooner750 | I turned off encryption on the router, and I am going to see if it connects. Do I have to enter "Access Point"? |
| 00:05.28 | Kevin` | eldowan you have enough computers with debian for doing that to be worthwhile? |
| 00:05.34 | sid | How can I tell what is using my sound? /dev/dsp? |
| 00:05.47 | dvs | sid: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 00:05.48 | eeyore- | eldowan: instead of having local mirrors, why not just set up squid proxy? |
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| 00:05.51 | Cooner750 | I think you might be a little too far away lol |
| 00:05.56 | Kevin` | cooner750 you should give it the essid of your ap, the name |
| 00:06.12 | Cooner750 | I have, which is "dlink" |
| 00:06.13 | Kevin` | although most cards will automatically connect to the closest ap by default |
| 00:06.16 | eeyore- | eldowan: that will solve the problem better ... one download, then subsequent download of the same package will not go to the main servers |
| 00:06.18 | eldowan | Kevin`: I don't want to bog down the bandwidth of my users when I do a apt-get upgrade; apt-get dist-upgrade or similar. Or when I install a new system. |
| 00:06.21 | sid | thanks dvs; I appreciate the help. |
| 00:06.24 | Cooner750 | iwconfig wlan0 essid dlink |
| 00:06.30 | Cooner750 | is that all? then dhclient wlan0? |
| 00:06.50 | Cooner750 | or ifup wlan0 first? |
| 00:07.04 | Kevin` | cooner750, correct, no ifup needed |
| 00:07.06 | azeem | cd |
| 00:07.08 | azeem | oops |
| 00:07.14 | Cooner750 | Ok, let me see what happens. |
| 00:07.27 | Kevin` | ifup just runs the system scripts to configure the interface, which would likely overwrite what you've done |
| 00:07.41 | kreg_work | there such a thing as a remote desktop client for linux to access remote desktop services on XP workstations? |
| 00:07.50 | Kevin` | kreg_work rdesktop |
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| 00:08.14 | eldowan | eeyore-: I only have about 5 computers running debian, but when I upgrade, it brings everyone to a halt. Since I like to upgrade when I'm there I was thinking of a local mirror to prevent the network bog during business hours. |
| 00:08.36 | Guerin | eldowan: run updates outside business hours? |
| 00:08.44 | Kevin` | eldowan i'd do it if I had the disk space.. hmm, I DO have the disk space now |
| 00:09.10 | Kevin` | Guerin well you could just as easily update the mirror on non-business hours, then update and install when you are actually there :) |
| 00:09.14 | eldowan | Guerin: I'm just not comfortable running updates when no one is around. |
| 00:09.20 | Guerin | eldowan: or use apt-cacher or a squid proxy to make sure each package only gets downloaded once - this should be best-practice in order to save bandwidth anyhow |
| 00:09.31 | sid | How can I allow my sound card to do sound mixing like windows does. SO when rythmbox is using the soundcard, gaim sounds will still work. |
| 00:09.49 | dvs | sid: install ALSA |
| 00:09.51 | Guerin | sid: /msg dpkg asound |
| 00:10.09 | sid | thanks |
| 00:10.11 | Kevin` | sid i've never had that problem with any of my sound cards.. maybe I'm lucky will well designed drivers or hardware, heh |
| 00:10.13 | kreg_work | Kevin`, shit |
| 00:10.14 | kreg_work | thanks |
| 00:10.22 | Kevin` | kreg_work np |
| 00:10.22 | eldowan | Guerin: But that would still bring my users to a halt. Even If I'm the only one to update. 500MB over a T1 kills my purchasing department |
| 00:10.39 | Guerin | eldowan: use traffic shaping? |
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| 00:11.00 | OmnipotentEntity | Is anyone else having problems with mplayer and vlc segfaulting? |
| 00:11.06 | OmnipotentEntity | I'm running Sid. |
| 00:11.06 | Guerin | there are FAR simpler ways than maintaining a full archive, with all the wasted resources that entails, for five boxen |
| 00:11.07 | Kevin` | eldowan traffic shaping would help, but i'd be inclined to update it off hours, using a mirror like you suggested |
| 00:11.10 | eldowan | Guerin: I would, but I'm not keen on the idea of 3 hr for an upgrade. |
| 00:11.23 | Kevin` | partly because having a debian mirror is cool |
| 00:11.28 | eeyore- | eldowan: how often do you update? |
| 00:11.31 | nvz | eldowan: apt-cacher is a good solution |
| 00:11.45 | sid | Kevin`: Well it's onboard sound with my Asus P4G8X Deluxe, it doesn't do full duplex |
| 00:11.48 | eldowan | I've got a spare p3 1.1Ghz laptop with an 80GB drive. |
| 00:11.50 | sid | So it's not a soundcard persay. |
| 00:12.11 | eldowan | eeyore-: Sometimes once a month, sometimes twice a week or when I remember. |
| 00:12.12 | Guerin | eldowan: do you not pay for bandwidth? |
| 00:12.22 | nvz | eldowan: eliminates multiple downloads of the same file without the overhead of making a full mirror |
| 00:12.32 | eldowan | Guerin: the bill is the same if we use 0 or 100% of our bandwidth |
| 00:12.35 | Kevin` | most people don't pay for bandwidth.. contries that do suck ;p |
| 00:12.42 | Guerin | eldowan: and you never go over? |
| 00:12.58 | Cooner750 | Success at last! |
| 00:12.59 | Kevin` | Guerin go over 100% usage? not possible :) |
| 00:13.00 | eldowan | Guerin: MCI uses traffic shapping on our end. |
| 00:13.06 | dvs | !beer Guerin |
| 00:13.06 | eeyore- | eldowan: once a month? seems hardly justified to mirror something ... that's a LOT of data to mirror just to avoid one hit |
| 00:13.21 | Guerin | eldowan: bearing in mind that a mirror is ~10G/branch/arch just to set up ... then you're doing whatever the devs upload as well |
| 00:13.29 | Cooner750 | wlan0 is connected, I unplugged the network card from the ethernet cable |
| 00:13.41 | Cooner750 | and ping wont work for some reason, but I can login via SSH over the wireless interface |
| 00:13.46 | eldowan | eeyore-: I admit it may be overkill, but I would rather that than feel horrible that I'm preventing the business from functioning. |
| 00:13.53 | Cooner750 | on 199.168.1.102 |
| 00:13.55 | Cooner750 | 192 |
| 00:13.59 | eeyore- | eldowan: no, i don't think it's sane to take repeated hits every night just so you can avoid one during the day |
| 00:14.04 | Kevin` | cooner750 odd that ping wouldn't work.. firewall? |
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| 00:14.21 | Cooner750 | Well, I think that it is still trying to use the eth0 interface |
| 00:14.26 | basbryan | Cooner750 DNS or resolv.conf? |
| 00:14.41 | Kevin` | eeyore- if the connection is idle then.. |
| 00:14.43 | eeyore- | yeah, apt-cacher or squid proxy :-) |
| 00:14.43 | Cooner750 | "Network is unreachable" it says |
| 00:15.04 | Kevin` | cooner750, ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:15.07 | sid | !test |
| 00:15.07 | dpkg | No, sid, you're not online any more. |
| 00:15.07 | Cooner750 | I tried |
| 00:15.09 | eeyore- | Kevin`: it's idle now, but what about when they decide to do this e-commerce thing? :-) the internet is never 'off' |
| 00:15.11 | Cooner750 | it wouldnt bring it down |
| 00:15.14 | Cooner750 | so I unplugged the cable |
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| 00:15.30 | Kevin` | eeyore- if you were running a web server i'd be more careful |
| 00:15.37 | Kevin` | eeyore- if it's just for internet access.. |
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| 00:15.45 | sid | hmm, anyone else having dpkg ignore them in pm? |
| 00:15.51 | Guerin | current patterns are no reason not to follow best-practice |
| 00:16.03 | Guerin | set it up once, do it right, and you won't ever have to fuck with it again |
| 00:16.14 | Kevin` | Guerin unless you have a reason not to |
| 00:16.33 | Kevin` | Guerin avoiding the usage completely during hours is a definite advantage if you need that |
| 00:16.39 | eldowan | eeyore-: At this point I'm not set in any way, except that I'm determined not to affect my users. Could I set up apt-cacher to do this? |
| 00:16.43 | Guerin | AND if your site goes over their data cap and ends up with a fat bill for some unknown reason, the Big Boss won't be able to fault you for it |
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| 00:17.07 | Kevin` | eldowan you do not have a data cap, correct? |
| 00:17.13 | Guerin | Kevin`: not really. Traffic shaping + a cache for five machines will decrease impact by at least 80% |
| 00:17.22 | eldowan | Kevin`: Not that I know of. |
| 00:17.29 | Cooner750 | Can I disable the ethernet interface, and can someone tell me how to set so this happens at startup: This command: modprobe firmware-class has to run, as well as: insmod /usr/src/acx-20060215/acx.ko |
| 00:17.33 | niles | is it feasable to host chm files from a web server to view them froma browser? |
| 00:17.40 | Cooner750 | can someone tell me how to do that? I assume it has the be done before the network connects |
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| 00:17.44 | bgilb | hello |
| 00:17.44 | Kevin` | cooner750, ifconfig eth0 down |
| 00:17.45 | niles | or in general, view chm from a browser |
| 00:17.47 | Kevin` | will disable the interface |
| 00:17.48 | bgilb | im trying to burn debian iso |
| 00:17.53 | Cooner750 | Kevin`: I did it on SSH and it worked |
| 00:18.00 | sid | Guerin: There is no asound factoid. jsyk |
| 00:18.00 | Cooner750 | But it wouldnt on the computer itself |
| 00:18.10 | Guerin | eldowan: just because you don't KNOW if there's a data cap is no reason to presume it's infinite |
| 00:18.13 | Kevin` | ssh = the computer itself |
| 00:18.14 | Guerin | sid: sorry |
| 00:18.17 | Guerin | !asoundrc |
| 00:18.25 | Guerin | oh, duh |
| 00:18.26 | Guerin | !dmix |
| 00:18.27 | dpkg | from memory, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 00:18.33 | Guerin | sid: ^ that's the one I meant |
| 00:18.45 | eldowan | Guerin: True. Very true. I will deffinately need to make sure about that data cap. |
| 00:18.46 | Kevin` | Guerin well I presume mine is infinite, because I never agreed to or was notified there was a cap |
| 00:18.53 | Kevin` | if they want to call me someday, so be it.. |
| 00:18.57 | Cooner750 | According to my router, 192.168.1.101, the eth0 address is still connected, but I physically unplugged the cable, so it cant be |
| 00:19.12 | Guerin | Kevin`: that don't mean a sweet thing, since your AUP will probably say something about the provider's discretion. |
| 00:19.21 | Guerin | heh |
| 00:19.29 | Guerin | I actually DID have an unlimited line once |
| 00:19.42 | Kevin` | Guerin well i'll say they don't have the information anywhere, because they don't |
| 00:19.42 | Guerin | I was running about 100G/day over it for more than six months |
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| 00:19.58 | rapt501 | i see in the direction "fakeroot" |
| 00:19.59 | Guerin | Kevin`: discretion requires no information. Discretion is discretionary. |
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| 00:20.18 | Kevin` | Guerin yes, if they want to randomly pick me out, so be it, I can't stop that |
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| 00:20.41 | eldowan | Guerin: For now forget the mirror. If I set up apt-cacher is it possible to prevent the updates from affecting my users? |
| 00:20.42 | rapt501 | i see in the direction "fakeroot" debian/rules binary-modules \ KSRC=.... |
| 00:20.47 | rapt501 | what does fakeroot mean |
| 00:20.56 | bgilb | using cdburnerxp pro 3. im trying to burn the netinstall iso to a dvd and was wondering what settings i should use |
| 00:21.33 | rapt501 | and is there a command to find out the exact kernel your using |
| 00:21.34 | Cooner750 | Well at least it works |
| 00:21.35 | Cooner750 | So now |
| 00:21.38 | Guerin | eldowan: with traffic shaping, yeah. It means the first user to get a given package will get it at the shaped speed, but them's the breaks. |
| 00:21.39 | dvs | bgilb: I thought a netinst iso needed a CD? |
| 00:21.44 | Kevin` | rapt501 uname -a |
| 00:21.46 | dvs | rapt501: uname -r |
| 00:21.48 | Kevin` | uname -r technically |
| 00:21.57 | rapt501 | thank you |
| 00:22.08 | rapt501 | trying to install wireless |
| 00:22.14 | dvs | Cooner750: encrypt it? |
| 00:22.15 | rapt501 | and i have to do crazy stuff |
| 00:22.18 | Cooner750 | I have /dos, a 32GB FAT32 partition, that's mounted at /dos. How can I add this path to my SMB username share in Debian? |
| 00:22.21 | Kevin` | rapt501 what chipset |
| 00:22.26 | rapt501 | intel |
| 00:22.26 | Cooner750 | That's the file serving part |
| 00:22.28 | eldowan | Guerin: I understand traffic shaping. I guess I'm just reaching for the holy grail here. I want to not affect the users at all, while getting fast package delivery. |
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| 00:22.40 | bgilb | dvs oh.. does it for sure? |
| 00:22.41 | Guerin | Cooner750: #samba |
| 00:22.46 | Kevin` | rapt501 heh, intel cards are well supported |
| 00:22.52 | dvs | bgilb: dunno. I never tried a DVD for one. |
| 00:23.18 | Kevin` | eldowan well you'd have to download the packages at a different time then, no? :) |
| 00:23.59 | rapt501 | yeah but if your new to unix |
| 00:24.01 | rapt501 | or linux |
| 00:24.02 | eldowan | Kevin`: Thats why I was thinking about a mirror. I can mirror in the off hours and have everything set up to go during the day... |
| 00:24.04 | rapt501 | its kinda hard |
| 00:24.26 | rapt501 | do you guys think it was a mistake installing debian for a first time linux person |
| 00:24.30 | Kevin` | eldowan that's what I would do, if I had enough debian machines to justify it.. and maybe if I don't ;) |
| 00:24.36 | Kevin` | rapt501 no |
| 00:24.47 | eldowan | rapt501: I installed debian for my first time linux, and haven't looked back yet... :D |
| 00:25.01 | rapt501 | really |
| 00:25.05 | rapt501 | thats good |
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| 00:25.31 | eldowan | rapt501: I've even been getting some of my co-workers to switch to debian from Windows. |
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| 00:25.51 | Kevin` | imo debian isn't the best to learn linux on, i'd point you to something that's harder to use, where you have to install things manually, in a standard way.. |
| 00:26.33 | bgilb | debian was the only one that installed for me heh |
| 00:26.46 | Kevin` | lol |
| 00:26.46 | bgilb | i wasted like 20 discs before i got to debian |
| 00:26.49 | nvz | Kevin`: I think its a good place to start because its well documented and has a great support community.. and the package system makes it easy to get things moving so you can focus on whats important to you |
| 00:27.06 | OmnipotentEntity | ok, it's not just mplayer and vlc, but anything that directly accesses X, it seems, like beryl is segfaulting. |
| 00:27.09 | OmnipotentEntity | Any ideas? |
| 00:27.17 | nvz | Kevin`: you just cant be a complete 'alternative', you have to actually put some effort into it.. maybe read something |
| 00:27.33 | Kevin` | nvz oh, it's definitely a good distro, It's just there's a certain 'debian way' of doing things, that won't work for you if your not using debian :) |
| 00:28.02 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: BTS |
| 00:28.06 | rapt501 | i hear a lot good things about ubunto. what are your opinions |
| 00:28.10 | rapt501 | about it |
| 00:28.11 | nvz | we've been using that word 'alternative' on the job site cause some kid claims he quit cause he was called a retard even though it was just a joke if it even happened at all.. but now we just call each other 'alternative' :P |
| 00:28.11 | rapt501 | ? |
| 00:28.20 | Ronin | rapt501: we think you should run debian |
| 00:28.30 | rapt501 | ok |
| 00:28.32 | nvz | Kevin`: yeah well that could be said for just about any distro |
| 00:28.33 | Kevin` | rapt501 i've never used it, but from what i've heard i'd stick with debian |
| 00:28.43 | predder | rapt501, ubuntu is just debian for noobs :) |
| 00:29.01 | Ronin | predder: which actually isnt a bad thing |
| 00:29.02 | OmnipotentEntity | Guerin, which package to I list under? |
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| 00:29.09 | Kevin` | nvz just about :), exceptions bieng lfs, slackware, ..anything else? |
| 00:29.19 | nvz | Kevin`: thats the way FOSS works people take different angles on things and take research in a different direction |
| 00:29.22 | Guerin | no |
| 00:29.24 | rapt501 | yeah i am a newbie |
| 00:29.24 | nvz | Kevin`: those are all different |
| 00:29.28 | rapt501 | lol |
| 00:29.33 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: dunno. |
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| 00:29.42 | Ronin | have to admit id probibly suggest it to my dad but thats only because i dont need that much extra work :) |
| 00:29.49 | OmnipotentEntity | That's why I haven't listed a bug yet. |
| 00:29.52 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: you're a sid user, it's your sacred trust to figure things like this out |
| 00:30.03 | Guerin | OmnipotentEntity: might start at strace |
| 00:30.12 | Kevin` | nvz but if you know how to use one you can apply what you know to almost any other distro |
| 00:30.17 | OmnipotentEntity | okey dokey. |
| 00:30.23 | bgilb | under emulation type for the CD do i put no emulation? |
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| 00:31.11 | bgilb | also do i enfore iso level1? |
| 00:31.12 | Cooner750 | Ok got that working too |
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| 00:31.17 | Cooner750 | How do I setup iwconfig for WPA? |
| 00:31.24 | nvz | Kevin`: you can use skills learned the traditional way in debian, its just why the hell would you. we take focus off the traditional methods and allow you to get on with life. instead of finagling source and configs all day |
| 00:32.01 | Cooner750 | I have on the router WEP, WPA and WPA-PSK |
| 00:32.06 | Cooner750 | And Off |
| 00:32.29 | Kevin` | nvz indeed, that's why I use debian, but knowing how to do something in a way that can work on almost any distro sure helps when your thrust in front of it |
| 00:32.36 | rapt501 | where should i build the module |
| 00:32.39 | rapt501 | it says fakeroot |
| 00:32.45 | rapt501 | what root do i use |
| 00:33.01 | Kevin` | bgilb where is this? |
| 00:33.41 | bgilb | cd burner xp pro 3 |
| 00:33.44 | Cooner750 | How do I tell iwconfig what type of encryption I am using? |
| 00:33.54 | Kevin` | rapt501 hmm, the linux kernel has included in recent versions a stable intel driver |
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| 00:34.00 | Kevin` | why are you using something else? |
| 00:34.28 | Cooner750 | There is no ecryption right now |
| 00:34.30 | Cooner750 | it's Off |
| 00:34.34 | rapt501 | ugh because wrieless is not working |
| 00:34.34 | Kevin` | bgilb such options should not matter if you are burning an iso image |
| 00:34.41 | rapt501 | and i don't think its compiled |
| 00:34.44 | rapt501 | or installed |
| 00:34.54 | bgilb | oh |
| 00:34.58 | rapt501 | actually installed |
| 00:34.58 | bgilb | you're right .. |
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| 00:35.03 | Cooner750 | Can I just enter the key, or? |
| 00:35.04 | Ronin | rapt501: on debian or ubuntu? |
| 00:35.06 | bgilb | hmm i need to find my correct iso burning software ... |
| 00:35.07 | rapt501 | debian |
| 00:35.17 | Kevin` | rapt501 if your using the debian kernel, perhaps there is a package for the ipw driver. |
| 00:35.55 | rapt501 | i went to the Synaptic Package Manager and i installed it |
| 00:35.58 | rapt501 | from there |
| 00:36.01 | Kevin` | bgilb cdrecord works on windows |
| 00:36.02 | Kevin` | well |
| 00:36.07 | teledyn | oh my gosh http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/10/BAGERLM3RR15.DTL |
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| 00:36.12 | bgilb | i found ImgBurn |
| 00:36.12 | Kevin` | and is known by us folks :) |
| 00:36.22 | bgilb | i knew i had it but it wasnt in the applications menu |
| 00:36.26 | rapt501 | huh |
| 00:36.36 | rapt501 | im just trying to follow the directions |
| 00:36.37 | Cooner750 | How can I configure my system so that it inserts the module "firmware-class" and then after that, does this: insmod /usr/src/acx-200600215/acx.ko, _before_ the network interfaces are loaded. Anyone? |
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| 00:37.00 | OmnipotentEntity | Figured it out, |
| 00:37.10 | OmnipotentEntity | NVidia Beta Drivers were messed up. |
| 00:37.13 | OmnipotentEntity | I reinstalled them. |
| 00:37.24 | Kevin` | Cooner750 any reason you have to load the firmware-class module explicitly? module dependencies should handle such things |
| 00:37.33 | Kevin` | (if you use modprobe) |
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| 00:37.56 | Cooner750 | Kevin`:insmod acx.ko wont work without firmware-class loaded first. |
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| 00:38.07 | Kevin` | Cooner750 modprobe acx |
| 00:38.44 | Kevin` | hmm why are you loading it from /usr/src/blah, instead of the proper place in /lib/modules/`uname -r` |
| 00:38.50 | Kevin` | did you not install it for some reason? |
| 00:39.01 | Cooner750 | That's what the instructions on the ACX111 Wiki said to do. |
| 00:39.11 | Cooner750 | Is it possible to install it and have it still work right? |
| 00:39.17 | Kevin` | better be.. |
| 00:39.21 | Cooner750 | the one you have to use with insmod is acx.ko |
| 00:39.29 | Cooner750 | in /usr/src/acx-200600215/ |
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| 00:40.02 | Kevin` | Cooner750 can't you do 'make install'? |
| 00:40.09 | rapt501 | whenever i do iwconfig it says no wireless |
| 00:40.22 | rapt501 | whenever i do iwconfig it says no wireless. does it mean it doesn't recognize the driver |
| 00:40.27 | Cooner750 | Hmm, I probably could've. Not sure if I can make it again? |
| 00:40.32 | Kevin` | rapt501 what specific card do you have (as seen by lspci) |
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| 00:40.45 | Kevin` | or a chip number if you want.. 2100 etc |
| 00:40.57 | rapt501 | 2100 3b Mini PCI Adapter |
| 00:41.07 | Cooner750 | Kevin`: it had me do this: make -C /lib/modules/`uname -r`/build M=`pwd` |
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| 00:41.13 | Kevin` | rapt501 modprobe ipw2100? |
| 00:41.27 | Kevin` | Cooner750 ugly :/ |
| 00:41.47 | Cooner750 | Can I do make -C install, etc.. |
| 00:41.48 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 00:41.55 | Kevin` | perhaps.. |
| 00:41.58 | Kevin` | try it |
| 00:42.29 | Kevin` | (make -C /lib/.... install M=`pwd` ) |
| 00:42.34 | rapt501 | i don't see a modroob |
| 00:42.42 | rapt501 | anywhere |
| 00:42.47 | Kevin` | what's a modroob |
| 00:42.48 | dvs | !insmod |
| 00:42.48 | dpkg | Sorry, that command doesn't exist. Surely you meant "modprobe"?, or modprobe also loads dependencies, insmod only loads what you tell it to load. NEVER attempt to use insmod under 2.6. Use modprobe. Did we mention "modprobe" yet?. Taunting Happy Fun Ball causes cancer |
| 00:43.08 | Kevin` | happy fun ball? |
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| 00:43.10 | Cooner750 | Hmm errors, any other way I can do it |
| 00:43.11 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 00:43.13 | rapt501 | 3B |
| 00:43.15 | Gnurdux | why never attempt to use insmod on 2.6? |
| 00:43.32 | Cooner750 | Any script that can run before the network interface loads? |
| 00:43.34 | Kevin` | Cooner750 you could copy it yourself, but i'm unsure how the dependencies are handled |
| 00:43.43 | Kevin` | Cooner750 many of them |
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| 00:43.54 | Kevin` | i've never looked which, though :) |
| 00:43.56 | Gnurdux | any particular reason to not use ismod on 2.6? |
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| 00:44.17 | Cooner750 | Can I have it run modprobe firmware-class and then insmod /usr/src/acx-200600215/acx.ko in any of those scripts? |
| 00:44.30 | Kevin` | Cooner750 yes |
| 00:44.32 | Gnurdux | OR you could install the module |
| 00:44.35 | Gnurdux | run depmod |
| 00:44.43 | Gnurdux | and then you could just modprobe it |
| 00:44.51 | rapt501 | where would it state modprobe |
| 00:44.56 | Kevin` | Gnurdux how should he install the module, it doesn't have an install target |
| 00:45.11 | Gnurdux | maybe copying to modules directory would work; dunno |
| 00:45.17 | Cooner750 | I ran depmod, it paused for about 8 seconds and then returned with no errors. Is that good, or? |
| 00:45.23 | FernandoMM | Hello, could someone tell me what debian considers when creating the mouse stuff on /dev ? I mean, i know that ps/2 appears on /dev/input/mice, but what about serial mouses and usb mouses? |
| 00:45.33 | Kevin` | Cooner750 that is good, but it won't help much if the module isn't in the right place :) |
| 00:45.46 | Cooner750 | Hmm... the acx-200600215 folder is full of files |
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| 00:46.01 | Kevin` | you likely only need the .ko file |
| 00:46.09 | Cooner750 | So, copy it to where? |
| 00:46.13 | Kevin` | I don't know which subdirectory of the modules to put it in |
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| 00:46.38 | Gnurdux | what is the module for Cooner750 ? |
| 00:46.39 | Kevin` | if pressed to do something I would put it in misc/ |
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| 00:47.43 | Cooner750 | Gnurdux: compiled acx.ko, for the Texas Instruments ACX111 Wireless Chipset. the module "firmware-class" has to be loaded before acx.ko will insert correctly. |
| 00:48.19 | Gnurdux | so this is a wireless card... |
| 00:48.34 | Gnurdux | whats your kernel version |
| 00:48.51 | Cooner750 | 2.6.16-2-686 |
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| 00:49.03 | Cooner750 | upgraded from 2.6.8 |
| 00:49.35 | Gnurdux | put it in /usr/lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless |
| 00:49.38 | Gnurdux | the .ko file |
| 00:49.40 | Gnurdux | then run depmod |
| 00:49.52 | Cooner750 | Ok, *Opens SFTP program and PuTTY |
| 00:50.55 | Cooner750 | Gnurdux: there is no /usr/lib/modules, there is /lib/modules |
| 00:51.00 | Gnurdux | whoops |
| 00:51.02 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 00:51.11 | Cooner750 | Ok, let me move it ;P |
| 00:51.26 | Gnurdux | so put it in /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686/kernel/drivers/net/wireless |
| 00:51.39 | Cooner750 | ok moved, running depmod |
| 00:51.48 | Cooner750 | No errors |
| 00:51.52 | dvs | isn't it depmod -a? |
| 00:51.56 | tarzeau | +popcon |
| 00:52.01 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 00:52.02 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 00:52.12 | Gnurdux | well |
| 00:52.24 | Gnurdux | Cooner750, try modprobe acx |
| 00:52.33 | Cooner750 | no errors |
| 00:52.40 | Gnurdux | was it already loaded? |
| 00:52.44 | dvs | Cooner750: lsmod | grep acx |
| 00:52.45 | ahlfors | What's up with the kernel images in the sid repository? no k8? no SMP? |
| 00:52.54 | tarzeau | ahlfors: build your own? |
| 00:52.55 | Cooner750 | Yea it's loaded, how to unload ? |
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| 00:53.02 | Gnurdux | rmmod acx |
| 00:53.14 | Gnurdux | or |
| 00:53.14 | rapt501 | clear |
| 00:53.17 | rapt501 | oops |
| 00:53.21 | rapt501 | cya |
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| 00:53.27 | Cooner750 | Whoops, on SSH, yea it disconnected :P, let me go reconnect eth0 |
| 00:53.31 | ahlfors | tarzeau, I was happy to do so. When my custom kernel froze on boot, I though "well, let me get an SMP stock kernel for comparison" |
| 00:53.53 | tarzeau | ahlfors: hah. what's the last msg? |
| 00:54.00 | Gnurdux | modprobe -r firmware-class\ |
| 00:54.04 | Gnurdux | modprobe -r firmware-class |
| 00:54.08 | Gnurdux | modprobe acs |
| 00:54.10 | Gnurdux | *acx |
| 00:54.12 | Gnurdux | try that |
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| 00:54.33 | ahlfors | tarzeau, the last message was from grub, saying it was loading the kernel. (i.e. not even a single character of kernel boot output) |
| 00:54.33 | bkudria | when i launch konqueror using alt-f2, i get the following error "/usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol", and then konq crashes....launching it from konsole is fine. how do i fix it? |
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| 00:54.44 | tarzeau | ahlfors: interesting |
| 00:54.55 | tarzeau | ahlfors: so it's an amd64 machine 32bit, k8 kernel, smp? |
| 00:55.05 | tarzeau | ahlfors: is your kernel config line online? with or without initrd? |
| 00:55.30 | tarzeau | ahlfors: you still can boot an older/other kernel in grub, can't you? |
| 00:55.36 | ahlfors | tarzeau, a recompile with a different .config did boot properly. never figured out which option was screwing it up. |
| 00:55.51 | ahlfors | tarzeau, it is amd64 but I'm using i386. k8, himem, smp |
| 00:55.51 | tarzeau | ahlfors: now it's about time to find out... |
| 00:56.04 | tarzeau | ahlfors: 64gb or 4gb himem? initrd? |
| 00:56.11 | ahlfors | tarzeau, 4gb, no initrd |
| 00:56.20 | tarzeau | ahlfors: we've got such machines too, and i've had no problems... are you there after 8 hours? |
| 00:56.30 | tarzeau | ahlfors: which kernel exactly btw? |
| 00:56.52 | ahlfors | but what I'm really wondering is why I couldn't get an SMP stock kernel when I wanted one! Why is linux-image-2.6.18-k8-smp missing from sid? |
| 00:57.04 | ahlfors | tarzeau, 2.6.18 |
| 00:57.07 | tarzeau | ahlfors: they just don't build them |
| 00:57.09 | Cooner750 | Gnurdux: Confirmed. modprobe acx does load it and it does work (after I edit /etc/network/interfaces right :P ) |
| 00:57.15 | tarzeau | ahlfors: k8 kernels only for 64bit |
| 00:57.16 | Gnurdux | cool |
| 00:57.22 | Gnurdux | wow that actually worked |
| 00:57.24 | Cooner750 | So, now will it load at boot time? |
| 00:57.32 | tarzeau | ahlfors: they don't build 586 kernels either |
| 00:57.33 | ahlfors | tarzeau, they used to! Fine, no k8, but why isn't there ANY stock SMP. They don't do that anymore? |
| 00:57.35 | Gnurdux | hotplug or whatever should load it |
| 00:57.41 | tarzeau | ahlfors: yeah, but they don't anymore |
| 00:57.42 | Gnurdux | udev |
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| 00:57.51 | Gnurdux | udev loads modules right... |
| 00:57.51 | tarzeau | ahlfors: if you're concerned about it, file a bug report |
| 00:57.54 | Cooner750 | How can I disable eth0 in interfaces? # it all out? or? |
| 00:57.57 | ahlfors | tarzeau, let me get this straight. Debian no longer has _any_ SMP stock kernels? |
| 00:58.11 | tarzeau | ahlfors: no idea, we/i build my own kernels (at least with linux) |
| 00:58.17 | tarzeau | ahlfors: yes they do, should |
| 00:58.49 | ahlfors | I build my own kernels too, but it's nice to have a fallback without disabling all but 1 cpu |
| 00:59.08 | Cooner750 | Gnurdux: Do you know how to disable eth0 so I can test the wlan0 at boot? Do I comment out the eth0 lines in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 00:59.19 | tarzeau | ahlfors: no idea, i've never needed the fallback (because they wouldn't work at all) |
| 00:59.47 | Gnurdux | im not exactly sure |
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| 01:00.05 | Cooner750 | Hmm I wonder if I could remove the lines? |
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| 01:00.19 | ahlfors | tarzeau, ok, stupid question I guess since I will never need one again unless I reinstall. (This machine had been x86-64 linux btw, I converted to i386) |
| 01:00.25 | Cooner750 | I have a backup of it, so no big problem |
| 01:00.25 | sleepyEDB | does ifdown etho disable it, or just take it offline? |
| 01:00.26 | Cooner750 | s |
| 01:00.36 | tarzeau | ahlfors: you converted it, or you just reinstalled? |
| 01:00.43 | Cooner750 | ifdown eth0 wont work for some reason, nor will ifconfig eth0 down |
| 01:00.54 | Cooner750 | at least it still says it has the IP 192.168.1.101 |
| 01:00.56 | sleepyEDB | oh, okay...sorry if i missed that part |
| 01:01.09 | Kevin` | Cooner750 it will still have the ip, but ignore it for routing purposes |
| 01:01.09 | ahlfors | tarzeau, reinstalled |
| 01:01.19 | Kevin` | if you don't want it to have the ip, do ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0 down |
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| 01:01.25 | Gnurdux | Cooner750, you might as well comment them |
| 01:01.30 | Kevin` | again, it should not matter |
| 01:01.36 | Gnurdux | then you could try /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:01.49 | Cooner750 | Kevin`: For the interfaces file, does "wireless-enc" work as the same command as doing "iwconfig wlan0 enc off"? |
| 01:01.50 | Gnurdux | if you lose them, and you have no working internet, that would suck |
| 01:02.07 | Kevin` | Cooner750 I don't use the interfaces file |
| 01:02.11 | Kevin` | don't know |
| 01:02.36 | Cooner750 | Hmm... I assume I'll get an error if not. Any text editors that Debian comes with that I can use on the computer itself if I lose internet? like vim? |
| 01:02.58 | Gnurdux | nano |
| 01:02.59 | Kevin` | Cooner750 nano maybe> |
| 01:03.02 | Gnurdux | i like nano |
| 01:03.03 | Cooner750 | Ok |
| 01:03.23 | Gnurdux | but just comment the lines |
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| 01:03.34 | Cooner750 | Ok |
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| 01:03.36 | Gnurdux | and first to see if it recognizes the file do /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 01:03.41 | Cooner750 | Then, /etc/init.d/networking restart? |
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| 01:04.16 | tarzeau | does someone know/use PV-WAVE ? |
| 01:04.19 | Gnurdux | yes |
| 01:04.26 | Cooner750 | i'm going to go run it on the machine itself upstairs to see for sure what it does, since SSH will disconnect. |
| 01:04.27 | Gnurdux | if you've edited /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 01:04.39 | Gnurdux | good idea |
| 01:05.49 | reilithion | Hi all. Where can I find the /beginner's/ guide to expanding my Debian box into a file- and print-server? |
| 01:05.49 | Kurtism | what the devil is a gnu rdux? |
| 01:05.50 | Cooner750 | Well success indeed |
| 01:05.50 | Cooner750 | I removed the eth0 lines |
| 01:05.57 | Gnurdux | removed? |
| 01:06.00 | Gnurdux | not commented? |
| 01:06.04 | Gnurdux | smart... |
| 01:06.06 | Cooner750 | I have a backup of the original file, I'm fine |
| 01:06.10 | Gnurdux | oh ok |
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| 01:06.21 | Gnurdux | and the networking restart doesnt yell at you? |
| 01:06.22 | Cooner750 | I've done that before and I learned the hard way ;) |
| 01:06.22 | bkudria | when i launch konqueror using alt-f2, i get the following error "/usr/lib/libkhtml.so.4: undefined symbol", and then konq crashes....launching it from konsole is fine. how do i fix it? |
| 01:06.24 | Gnurdux | then time to reboot |
| 01:06.35 | Cooner750 | Nope, just a bunch of scrolling text and then it worked |
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| 01:06.42 | Gnurdux | if it works then, put the eth0 stuff back |
| 01:06.51 | Gnurdux | and do networking restart |
| 01:06.56 | Gnurdux | and you wont need to reboot then |
| 01:07.07 | Cooner750 | I could barely see the lines "DHCPOFFER from 192.168.1.2" and then "Bound to 192.168.1.102" |
| 01:07.08 | Gnurdux | Kurtism, GNU Nerd Ux |
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| 01:07.43 | Cooner750 | my router needs a reboot |
| 01:07.51 | Gnurdux | then reboot it |
| 01:07.52 | Cooner750 | it still thinks that 192.168.1.101 is connected |
| 01:07.59 | Cooner750 | Brb, connection will go offline |
| 01:08.00 | reilithion | Silly router. |
| 01:08.04 | Gnurdux | you can delete it... |
| 01:08.11 | Gnurdux | what brand of router? |
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| 01:09.03 | Cooner750_ | It's a DLink DI-524. I'm just using it to test the wireless. Normally my network is all wired using ClarkConnect on a PIII 1Ghz with a Linksys Switch |
| 01:09.25 | Cooner750_ | This is going to act as a file backup server over wireless at another house, so I wanted to test the wireless to make sure it would work |
| 01:09.32 | Xenguy | O-o |
| 01:09.39 | Gnurdux | ah |
| 01:09.45 | Xenguy | ww |
| 01:11.34 | silly_girl22 | how can i show a star next to my name to say that im doing something? |
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| 01:13.08 | reilithion | silly_girl22: In what context? Can you give an example? |
| 01:13.14 | Gnurdux | ~literal sup |
| 01:13.16 | apt | "sup" is "<reply>Yo $who, how's it going eh?" |
| 01:13.26 | silly_girl22 | * thinking of something |
| 01:13.34 | silly_girl22 | but the star is near the name |
| 01:13.41 | reilithion | That would be /me <does something> |
| 01:14.28 | silly_girl22 | would this be raping? wget -r coldboot.no-ip.com |
| 01:14.30 | reilithion | Or possibly /away <doing something> |
| 01:14.43 | Cooner750_ | All is working |
| 01:14.48 | Cooner750_ | Hm |
| 01:14.51 | Cooner750_ | Samba needs a reboot I think |
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| 01:16.23 | reilithion | Ok, so if Samba is the Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing, what's Unix's native file and print sharing? |
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| 01:16.40 | Cooner750_ | NFS, I think? |
| 01:16.51 | Cooner750_ | Well more good news |
| 01:16.56 | Cooner750_ | I can "ping -c 5 google.com" now |
| 01:16.59 | Cooner750_ | over wlan0 |
| 01:17.04 | Gnurdux | nice |
| 01:17.09 | Gnurdux | now you can add the eth0 back |
| 01:17.11 | Gnurdux | and pwn |
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| 01:17.29 | reilithion | Cooner750_: dpkg doesn't seem to think much of nfs. hehe |
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| 01:17.49 | Gnurdux | but wow: i actually got something working for something |
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| 01:19.11 | Cooner750_ | Let's try it with encryption |
| 01:19.13 | Cooner750_ | Now |
| 01:19.15 | Cooner750_ | how does this work? |
| 01:19.30 | Cooner750_ | I set what on the router? WPA-PSK, WPA, or WEP? |
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| 01:19.38 | sleepyEDB | i recently changed eth0 in my /etc/network/interfaces file to have a static IP as opposed to dhcp. all is well for a while, but then it reverts back to the old IP address...am I forgetting something? |
| 01:19.59 | dondelelcaro | sleepyEDB: dhclient is still running |
| 01:20.02 | dondelelcaro | sleepyEDB: kill it off |
| 01:20.03 | reilithion | Cooner750_: You probably want to start with something simple like WEP |
| 01:20.07 | sleepyEDB | Cooner750_: WPA, i would think. WEP isn't very strong anymore |
| 01:20.17 | sleepyEDB | reilithion: good pint |
| 01:20.17 | Cooner750_ | Ok, So my question is |
| 01:20.20 | Cooner750_ | in iwconfig |
| 01:20.20 | sleepyEDB | err, point |
| 01:20.35 | reilithion | sleepyEDB: Is there a good WPA implementation for Debian? |
| 01:21.05 | Cooner750_ | How do I tell it what kind of encryption to use? |
| 01:21.15 | Cooner750_ | Or do I just enter the key? |
| 01:21.44 | sleepyEDB | reilithion: thanks for the dhclient tip...right you were! As for a good WPA in Debian, i don't know. I don't have a laptop, so I haven't looked into it at all |
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| 01:22.08 | sleepyEDB | i just recommended it since WPA is supposed to be better than WEP |
| 01:22.13 | reilithion | sleepyEDB: that was dondelelcaro. |
| 01:22.42 | sleepyEDB | LOL...so it was! |
| 01:22.50 | sleepyEDB | dondelelcaro: thank *you* |
| 01:23.04 | reilithion | sleepyEDB: WPA is, but I don't think there are too many GNU/Linuxes out there that have a complete implementation of it. |
| 01:23.19 | reilithion | I know I, for one, am stuck with WEP |
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| 01:23.41 | sleepyEDB | ah. guess I just proved i'm not a laptop user, eh? |
| 01:23.46 | dondelelcaro | sleepyEDB: np |
| 01:23.49 | Fear_cult | anyone know how to stop gdm from loading default and just go to cli |
| 01:23.59 | Fear_cult | changing inittab dosent do anything |
| 01:24.41 | reilithion | Fear_cult: You might have to dpkg-reconfigure something. But I'm not sure what. |
| 01:25.12 | reilithion | probably start by trying |
| 01:25.12 | reilithion | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
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| 01:25.41 | Fear_cult | no its something remove default |
| 01:25.47 | Fear_cult | i just cant remember the something |
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| 01:25.50 | Cooner750 | Ok |
| 01:25.52 | Cooner750 | more good news |
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| 01:25.59 | Cooner750 | I assume that it connected with WEP |
| 01:26.12 | reilithion | Great |
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| 01:26.29 | Cooner750 | Because I did: iwconfig wlan0 enc <keyhere> and then all the sudden it went on it's own and connected. |
| 01:26.39 | Cooner750 | and now I can also do ping again to google.com as a test |
| 01:26.51 | reilithion | Sounds lovely |
| 01:27.15 | reilithion | Say, what wifi card are you using? |
| 01:27.39 | Nixdorf | my debian don´t init pcmcia 3c575 (cyclone) after reboot on install... anyone know solution? |
| 01:27.49 | Cooner750 | ZyXEL ZyAir G-302 (Version 2), $30 at CompUSA, the v2 (Version 2) like I have uses the Texas Instruments ACX111 Chipset, which is what I used. |
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| 01:28.38 | Cooner750 | Let's try WPA, even though where the computer is going it will be on 128 bit WEP |
| 01:28.43 | reilithion | Cool. My poor lappy uses the Atheros and I have to compile the madwifi kernel modules myself since they're not part of the main repository. |
| 01:28.46 | Cooner750 | Let's try WPA just to see if it works :P |
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| 01:29.05 | reilithion | Do let me know if it does. I'd be thrilled if I could get some better security around here. |
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| 01:30.45 | Nixdorf | anyone help me with pcmcia 3c575 (cyclone) ? |
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| 01:31.27 | Terminus | hello. just wondering, will etch still have floppy disk installers? |
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| 01:32.18 | reilithion | Terminus: wow. people still use floppies? I thought they were terminated by now. :P |
| 01:32.44 | dvs | reilithion: they finally stopped putting floppy connectors on motherboards recently |
| 01:32.45 | luge | you can even boot linux off floppies - imagine that |
| 01:32.59 | Terminus | reilithion: ummm... i do. i've got a very dirty box here and i was thinking about just reinstalling when etch comes out. =) |
| 01:33.05 | reilithion | luge: That just blows my mind, man. |
| 01:33.46 | Terminus | heh... they started reducing the number of IDE connectors too. i assembled a box recently which only had one. |
| 01:34.12 | reilithion | Did it have SATA? |
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| 01:34.22 | Terminus | reilithion: yep. 4 sata ports. |
| 01:34.29 | reilithion | :-D |
| 01:34.52 | reilithion | I can't wait to get some SATA going. Maybe a couple of eSATA so I can take huge files with me. |
| 01:35.07 | lontra | when is iceweasel suppose to hit debian? |
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| 01:35.22 | Cooner750__ | Well now THAT was odd |
| 01:35.44 | reilithion | Cooner750__: What happen? |
| 01:35.46 | luge | the sata connector doesn't seem as secure as the ide |
| 01:35.51 | Cooner750__ | I changed to WPA-PSK, entered a key. And the computer goes nuts |
| 01:35.57 | reilithion | O.o |
| 01:36.05 | Cooner750__ | something like this "station does not support requestion althogram" |
| 01:36.08 | Cooner750__ | But |
| 01:36.11 | Cooner750__ | I bet I know why |
| 01:36.19 | ahlfors | How can I get the config file for the debian stock kernels? |
| 01:36.19 | Cooner750__ | because it has the wrong key set in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:36.29 | phogg | I want to test the accuracy of my speedometer. Can anyone recommend a car gps unit that will give me MPH? |
| 01:36.42 | reilithion | "Station does not support requested algorithm"? |
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| 01:36.45 | Terminus | ahlfors: /boot/config* |
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| 01:36.50 | Terminus | ahlfors: it's all there |
| 01:37.03 | lontra | phogg: any gps and this is probably off-topic |
| 01:37.08 | phogg | or maybe this is the wrong channel |
| 01:37.38 | lontra | phogg: all gps can do that |
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| 01:37.48 | reilithion | phogg: I've got to admit, that's an odd question to ask here. This channel is for the Debian operating system. |
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| 01:39.21 | liable | phogg: a know distance and stopwatch is the old way :) |
| 01:39.25 | phogg | reilithion: I know, but I changed my gtk theme today and lost track of which xchat tab was open. This is even the wrong server, |
| 01:39.38 | reilithion | lol |
| 01:39.43 | phogg | liable: but not the geeky way |
| 01:39.57 | ahlfors | Terminus, great thanks |
| 01:40.06 | liable | phogg: what could be more geeky than a big watch and slide rule? |
| 01:40.24 | reilithion | liable: a big watch, a slide rule, glasses, and a bicycle. |
| 01:40.25 | phogg | liable: heh, you have a point. |
| 01:40.25 | Terminus | ahlfors: you're welcome. =) |
| 01:40.27 | ahlfors | liable, a nixie watch and a circular slide rule |
| 01:40.36 | liable | heck, you could even do long division! |
| 01:40.52 | reilithion | I never divide my longs. ^_^ |
| 01:41.10 | liable | ahlfors: ugh, dont mention circular computers too me. i have been tormented by them enough :) |
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| 01:41.35 | Cooner750_ | Ok |
| 01:41.40 | reilithion | long[] one; |
| 01:41.48 | dvs | Cooner750: ok? |
| 01:41.48 | reilithion | Now that is one long array! |
| 01:41.51 | Cooner750_ | The system will go nuts if it loses it's link while connected because you change the encryption type on the router |
| 01:42.17 | reilithion | cyall |
| 01:42.29 | Cooner750_ | it repeats that error Over and Over and Over and all you can do is power down the machine |
| 01:43.05 | Cooner750_ | Just make sure that things match up in /etc/network/interfaces to the router before booting, or before ifup-ing |
| 01:43.11 | keh | after modifying the natsemi.c ethernet driver, i get an error modprobing it "bad module signature" |
| 01:43.32 | keh | magic errors |
| 01:43.48 | keh | how can i ensure the magic is correct for the kernel? |
| 01:43.48 | liable | keh: haha, thats what happens when you modify code without knowing what your doing :) |
| 01:44.01 | liable | keh: try #kernel |
| 01:44.12 | keh | liable, i did -- no one is there! |
| 01:44.14 | liable | or ##c evev |
| 01:44.18 | liable | even |
| 01:44.30 | pickcoder | keh: modinfo |
| 01:44.30 | Cooner750_ | So I was smart this time. I did ifdown wlan0 and now I'm going to change it on the router first, and then ifup wlan0 |
| 01:44.44 | pickcoder | keh: gcc and kernel versions must match |
| 01:44.49 | dvs | Cooner750: So you did try WPA? |
| 01:45.14 | keh | pickcoder, gcc is right and 2.6.9 is right, but it is 2.6.9-spec, not 2.6.9.0.3 |
| 01:45.18 | liable | phogg: that doesnt sound like a compiler mismatch error to me |
| 01:45.27 | liable | pickcoder: ^^ |
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| 01:46.15 | Bry2k200 | hello gents, just re-installed debian, and i need a little help |
| 01:46.27 | Bry2k200 | i did min install |
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| 01:46.40 | Bry2k200 | then apt-get install blah blah blah |
| 01:46.40 | torlin | !test |
| 01:46.40 | dpkg | Sorry, torlin, I didn't get your test. |
| 01:46.51 | Bry2k200 | said couldn't find pkg |
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| 01:47.03 | Bry2k200 | if i remember correctly i gotta fix up me repositories |
| 01:47.13 | Bry2k200 | can't remember the command though |
| 01:47.16 | phogg | Bry2k200: apt-get update |
| 01:47.20 | Bry2k200 | right |
| 01:47.22 | Bry2k200 | thanks |
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| 01:47.54 | Bry2k200 | BUT.....i gotta add repositories |
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| 01:48.03 | Bry2k200 | can i get a hand, forget how |
| 01:48.23 | Cooner750__ | Ok got the error |
| 01:48.40 | liable | Bry2k200: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list you prolly need to comment the cd line or something |
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| 01:48.57 | liable | Bry2k200: sarge has 'apt-setup' but not etch |
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| 01:49.14 | Bry2k200 | but i don't have any repositories that i remember |
| 01:49.17 | Bry2k200 | hehe |
| 01:49.28 | liable | !mirrors |
| 01:49.29 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 01:49.40 | Cooner750__ | it says "Peer send response code 13: Responding station dosent support specified algorithm." -- sounds like to me more of a router issue than the driver, because after entering the key using iwconfig wlan0 enc <keyhere>, and then iwconfig wlan0, and it had encrypted the key |
| 01:49.53 | Cooner750__ | But, that error is an infinite loop |
| 01:50.00 | Cooner750__ | you have to power down the machine |
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| 01:50.19 | dvs | Cooner750_: you can't shut down the interface? |
| 01:50.31 | Cooner750__ | It wont let me type anything, it keeps flashing that message over and over |
| 01:50.42 | dvs | Cooner750_: open another console |
| 01:50.47 | Bry2k200 | guys, make my life a little easier and gimme a nice repository for etch please |
| 01:50.54 | Cooner750__ | How? |
| 01:50.57 | iLLf8d | or hit ctrl-c might break it out |
| 01:51.03 | Cooner750__ | I tried |
| 01:51.08 | Cooner750__ | How do I open a new console? |
| 01:51.32 | dvs | Cooner750_: Alt+F2 |
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| 01:51.46 | liable | Bry2k200: go to one of those links that dpkg just said ^^^ |
| 01:51.58 | iLLf8d | ctrl-alt+f2 |
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| 01:52.11 | liable | Bry2k200: there are no 'nice' repos, there are only repos :) |
| 01:52.37 | Bry2k200 | heh.....well be a pal and just share your repo's with me |
| 01:52.38 | iLLf8d | alt is only needed in console ctrl-alt in x |
| 01:52.57 | Bry2k200 | for etch |
| 01:53.05 | liable | deb http://ftp.debian.org/debian/ etch main contrib non-free |
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| 01:53.14 | Bry2k200 | thanks m8 |
| 01:53.20 | liable | whats so hard about googling for debian repos? |
| 01:53.38 | Bry2k200 | umm....we're all allowed to be lazy once in awhile no? |
| 01:54.11 | iLLf8d | thats ok when you're sleeping with them |
| 01:54.20 | iLLf8d | other then that get off you butt |
| 01:54.22 | iLLf8d | =P |
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| 01:54.46 | Wario | hi |
| 01:54.59 | iLLf8d | lo Wario |
| 01:55.07 | Wario | sup |
| 01:55.40 | Wario | wtf |
| 01:55.46 | Wario | ????? |
| 01:55.49 | Wario | ? |
| 01:55.59 | Wario | hello? |
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| 01:57.29 | Wario | hi |
| 01:57.40 | Wario | ? |
| 01:57.47 | liable | Wario: this isnt a chat channel |
| 01:57.55 | Wario | wtf |
| 01:58.00 | liable | Wario: its a technical channel for debian operating system |
| 01:58.07 | Wario | oh? |
| 01:58.07 | epsilon | we pnly idle. no chat at all |
| 01:58.13 | Wario | k |
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| 01:58.39 | dvs | Cooner750: are you encrypted now? |
| 01:58.47 | Cooner750 | Well, I need to disable wlan0 and enable eth0 so it can be setup successfully at the other house |
| 01:58.51 | Cooner750 | WEP work |
| 01:58.52 | Cooner750 | s |
| 01:58.55 | Cooner750 | WPA I am not sure |
| 01:59.11 | Cooner750 | it will be on WEP 128-Bit, which is fine |
| 01:59.29 | Cooner750 | nobody else in the pickup area has a WLAN |
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| 01:59.55 | Cooner750 | So, now I have a few more questions |
| 01:59.57 | Cooner750 | about other stuff |
| 02:00.17 | Cooner750 | First, certainly not required, I'm just wondering, are there any boot screens to cover up all of that boot status text? |
| 02:00.19 | dvs | Cooner750: even those who drive by? |
| 02:00.38 | Cooner750 | There hasnt been a problem before, I'm not all too worried about it |
| 02:00.47 | dvs | until it happens |
| 02:00.50 | epsilon | you know "wardriver"? |
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| 02:01.09 | Cooner750 | Also, is there any web interface that can show me the available Physical Memory, hard drive space, etc... |
| 02:01.10 | Wario | sup |
| 02:01.11 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 02:01.18 | Wario | wtf |
| 02:01.35 | Cooner750 | the ? mark was for my line but it was too late |
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| 02:01.54 | epsilon | you cat xat them from proc, then create a html site from it |
| 02:02.05 | Cooner750 | Any guide on how to do that? |
| 02:02.11 | epsilon | -xat |
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| 02:03.09 | epsilon | a shellscript reading the info (cpuinfo, free, smartctl...) and generate html from it |
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| 02:03.19 | PEggerr | I am trying to compile openssl-0.9.8d.tar.gz from source, but it just had a error during the make test http://pastebin.com/805628 |
| 02:03.21 | ahlfors | I lament that the stock kernels have so many fscking modules |
| 02:03.39 | Cooner750 | Does webmin do anything like status such as that? |
| 02:04.21 | epsilon | like; echo '<html><body><pre>' `cat /proc/cpuinfo` '</pre></body></html>' |
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| 02:04.48 | Cooner750 | Hmm, ... |
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| 02:05.12 | epsilon | I have similar shellscript to minotor my daemons |
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| 02:05.28 | Cooner750 | What does that command od? |
| 02:05.29 | Cooner750 | do*? |
| 02:05.50 | Wario | sup |
| 02:05.55 | slackbr | well I install the java but the firefoz don't load sites wioth java, what should i do ? |
| 02:06.01 | epsilon | which command? |
| 02:06.01 | Wario | ? |
| 02:06.03 | Wario | ? |
| 02:06.11 | Wario | ? |
| 02:06.15 | dvs | !ops Wario is spamming |
| 02:06.16 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: dvs complains about: Wario is spamming |
| 02:06.19 | Cooner750 | "echo '<html><body><pre>' `cat /proc/cpuinfo` '</pre></body></html>'" |
| 02:06.25 | Wario | wtf |
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| 02:06.32 | slackbr | well I install java but the firefox don't load sites with java, what should i do ? |
| 02:06.39 | Wario | ? |
| 02:06.43 | Wario | lol |
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| 02:06.51 | Wario | rofol |
| 02:06.55 | ahlfors | slackbr, impolite to ask twice so quickly |
| 02:06.55 | peterS | Wario: just stop talking now |
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| 02:07.01 | vlt | Hello. I want match an IP to MAC addresses. What's wromg with the following iptables rule? -A CHECK_IP -m mac --mac-source $MAC -p tcp -s ! $IP -j REJECT |
| 02:07.11 | epsilon | like "echo '...' > info.html" |
| 02:07.18 | bgilb | :O |
| 02:07.20 | slackbr | ahewitt, i just check my spell ... |
| 02:07.36 | Cooner750 | Let's see, need to install apache |
| 02:07.37 | slackbr | ahlfors, i check my spell :D |
| 02:07.38 | vlt | Error message is: invalid argument |
| 02:08.38 | slackbr | ahewitt, can you help me ? i think i need creat a symbolic link on the folder firefox look for plug ins to the java plugin ... |
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| 02:09.05 | slackbr | ahlfors, but i domn't now where is the folder |
| 02:09.08 | bgilb | when i try the command fakeroot make-jpkg it says command cannot be found. any ideas? |
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| 02:09.30 | ahlfors | slackbr, don't know |
| 02:09.40 | Cooner750 | Well that echo command worked |
| 02:09.41 | epsilon | vlt: does chain CHECK_IP exist? how about removing -p tcp? |
| 02:09.51 | Cooner750 | However, it prints out all on one line |
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| 02:10.03 | Waluigi | sup |
| 02:10.12 | Waluigi | wtf |
| 02:10.43 | Waluigi | WHO TOLD WARIO TO SHUT UP??? |
| 02:10.48 | Waluigi | ? |
| 02:10.49 | Waluigi | ? |
| 02:10.50 | epsilon | !ops *!*@72.24.119.189 is spamming |
| 02:10.50 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: epsilon complains about: *!*@72.24.119.189 is spamming |
| 02:10.53 | Cooner750 | I'm looking for something like this |
| 02:10.53 | Cooner750 | http://www.thg.ru/network/200501211/images/current_status.png |
| 02:10.56 | Cooner750 | Just the memory part |
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| 02:11.00 | Cooner750 | and the hard drive space |
| 02:11.10 | Waluigi | wtf |
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| 02:11.23 | Cooner750 | interface does not have to be that "pretty" |
| 02:11.42 | Cooner750 | a closer screenshot: http://www.skullbox.net/clark/status.gif |
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| 02:12.02 | Cooner750 | Is there a command to find the stats on memory and hard drive space? |
| 02:12.12 | minerale | Is anyone here fluid in regex? I'm trying to parse http://www.somesite.com/path1/path2/ looking to pull only 'path1' |
| 02:12.18 | peterS | good call, epsilon. I'd stepped afk for a bit there |
| 02:12.19 | vlt | epsilon, Yes. CHECK_IP exists. "-A CHECK_IP -j ACCEPT" at the end works. I can't remove -p tcp 'cause it could be a DHCP request and then I still have no IP ... |
| 02:12.31 | dvs | Cooner750: "free" is for memory and "df" is for hard drives |
| 02:13.13 | ahlfors | I've never used kernel-package to make a kernel image with an initrd. Do I just need to add the --initrd parameter to make-kpkg, or is there more to it? |
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| 02:13.43 | dvs | ahlfors: and you have to have initramfs or yaird installed |
| 02:13.59 | epsilon | Cooner750: free, df. But asj that website which tool they used, if you want working solution |
| 02:14.04 | epsilon | *ask |
| 02:14.34 | ahlfors | dvs, are those kernel config options or packages? |
| 02:14.41 | dvs | ahlfors: packages |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | packages |
| 02:14.49 | dvs | abrotman: liar! ;-) |
| 02:14.59 | epsilon | vlt: how about deny all and allow only known IP/MAC combination? |
| 02:15.00 | abrotman | i am |
| 02:15.06 | abrotman | it's true .. i'm a filthy liar |
| 02:15.12 | dvs | o_O |
| 02:15.12 | epsilon | instead allow all and deny mismatching IP/MAC |
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| 02:15.31 | sleepyEDB | good night, all! |
| 02:15.32 | vlt | epsilon, Sounds fine, but then I would lock out DHCP requests ... |
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| 02:16.16 | vlt | epsilon, So I have to check if it's tcp, udp or icmp before checking ip addr |
| 02:16.16 | PEggerr | I am trying to compile openssl-0.9.8d.tar.gz from source, but it just had a error during the make test http://pastebin.com/805628 |
| 02:16.59 | sid | PEggerr: apt-get build-dep openssl |
| 02:17.09 | abrotman | grr .. pastebin.com |
| 02:17.11 | PEggerr | sid too old |
| 02:17.17 | abrotman | too old ? |
| 02:17.37 | Cooner750 | Are there any programs to show a splash screen at boot like Ubuntu or similar does? |
| 02:17.47 | abrotman | !splashy |
| 02:17.48 | dpkg | splashy is probably a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 02:17.53 | gravity | !usplash |
| 02:18.02 | PEggerr | what is so wrong with wanting to compile from source? |
| 02:18.07 | sid | PEggerr: apt-get install build-essential; apt-get build-dep openssl; |
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| 02:18.13 | abrotman | PEggerr: more of a "why?" |
| 02:18.14 | J-one | do you have to restart linux in order for it to recognize a new pci device? i think thats what fucked everything up last time, like some newhardwareprobe, which tries to configure my video card, which doesnt work for x |
| 02:18.42 | vulture | J-one: how'd you get a new PCI device in there without powering the system down.. |
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| 02:18.53 | abrotman | vulture: it's a SPARC? :) |
| 02:18.54 | Cooner750 | So I imagine that I have to download splashy-themes and splashy |
| 02:19.02 | epsilon | PEggerr: you break the debian's package system |
| 02:19.02 | PEggerr | so i know it works, so i can make sure I have the newest versions so I am not dependent on waiting for update |
| 02:19.11 | J-one | i havent yet, |
| 02:19.17 | PEggerr | epsilon, not if I make my own packages |
| 02:19.22 | vulture | J-one: how do you intend to.. |
| 02:19.38 | ahlfors | J-one, did you just shove it in the slot while the system was running? |
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| 02:19.50 | bgilb | whats is the url for the unstable/non-free repository? |
| 02:19.56 | ahlfors | That's a good way to fry your mobo and the card |
| 02:19.59 | epsilon | PEggerr: if you know what you are doing... |
| 02:20.12 | Cooner750 | Hmm possibly slow wireless connection because there is no antenna on the router :P |
| 02:20.15 | ahlfors | bgilb, there are many mirrors. are you trying to figure out what line to put in your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 02:20.17 | J-one | but there isnt a monitor on it, so i cant monitor the boot, and im pretty sure for some reason when it finds the new pci card it also finds my video card, and enables starting x at bootup or something |
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| 02:20.43 | bgilb | well i dont know where to find the mirrors. i tried google |
| 02:20.47 | PEggerr | epsilon, i do but it is not working for some reason |
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| 02:21.50 | pickcoder | J-one: maybe gdm or some other desktop manager is starting at boot as defined to do so? |
| 02:21.55 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:21.56 | dpkg | i guess debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 02:22.05 | vlt | So what's wromg with "iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -m mac --mac-source $MAC -p tcp -s ! $IP -j REJECT"? |
| 02:22.12 | abrotman | !tell bgilb about non-free |
| 02:22.19 | vlt | Can't I combine -m mac and -p udp? |
| 02:22.39 | Cooner750 | Well trying to install Splashy is not working |
| 02:22.43 | Cooner750 | Dependency issues |
| 02:22.48 | Cooner750 | it says I need libglib2.0-0 |
| 02:22.50 | J-one | pickcoder, oh yeah, i was thinking that, where do i check that out, and disable it? gdm type of thing, infact i think its xdm, is that one? |
| 02:22.55 | Cooner750 | and then if I try that, there's even more |
| 02:23.06 | Cooner750 | Shouldnt it get the dependencies on it's own? |
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| 02:23.28 | epsilon | which debian version? |
| 02:23.42 | Cooner750 | Sarge, running 2.6.16 686 kernel |
| 02:23.57 | epsilon | just install it |
| 02:24.03 | abrotman | vlt: might want to ask #iptables |
| 02:24.13 | Cooner750 | I tried installing libglib2.0-0, it has even more dependencies on it's own |
| 02:24.34 | pickcoder | J-One: man update-rc.d.... look in /etc/init.d/ for gdm, xdm, etc |
| 02:25.17 | vlt | abrotman, Thank you. I'll wait for an answer there. |
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| 02:25.34 | abrotman | vlt: they might be asleep .. could take a while .. but they're really the ones to ask |
| 02:25.40 | abrotman | or the glorious man page! |
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| 02:26.04 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 02:26.59 | ArchitectSinan | is it possible to force my debian 3.1r3 installation CD to use a specific NIC module (de2104x) to probe ? |
| 02:27.49 | liable | ArchitectSinan: with the expert option, though if it doesnt detect it itself, prolly not much hope |
| 02:28.10 | Guerin | ArchitectSinan: boot in expert mode and see if it's listed |
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| 02:28.18 | abrotman | ArchitectSinan: de4x5 .. or oldtulip . hopefully .. many of the old DEC cards just don't work like they used to |
| 02:28.20 | Guerin | ArchitectSinan: you might also be able to load it using the shell |
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| 02:29.01 | abrotman | damn pastebin.com still didn't come up |
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| 02:30.14 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: i tried to load in shell. no luck :( |
| 02:30.24 | ArchitectSinan | Guerin: i'll try expert mode. thx all |
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| 02:30.27 | pickcoder | pastebin.com never works |
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| 02:30.56 | abrotman | ArchitectSinan: honestly .. if you can .. get another NIC |
| 02:31.14 | pickcoder | ArchitectSinan: you have more then one console available during install |
| 02:31.36 | Cooner750 | Hmm nobody on #Samba will answer as of yet. SMB is working fine, but when I try to move files to any of the shares I get the Windows error "Make sure the disk is not full or write-protected, and that the file is not currently in use" |
| 02:31.38 | Cooner750 | Anyone know? |
| 02:31.53 | Guerin | Cooner750: it tells you what to check. |
| 02:32.00 | pickcoder | ArchitectSinan: if you can't load in F2 then either the module isn't availble or you're trying to load the wrong one |
| 02:32.02 | Cooner750 | Permissions? But how? |
| 02:32.13 | Cooner750 | It's not full |
| 02:32.13 | Guerin | Cooner750: on the windows box? |
| 02:32.18 | bgilb | how do i use the "contrib non-free" ? |
| 02:32.26 | Guerin | Cooner750: is it in use on the windows box? |
| 02:32.31 | Cooner750 | No |
| 02:32.35 | abrotman | !tell bgilb about contrib |
| 02:32.39 | abrotman | !tell bgilb about non-free |
| 02:32.39 | Cooner750 | even tried other files |
| 02:32.51 | Guerin | bgilb: add ' contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.liist line - man sources.list |
| 02:33.08 | Guerin | Cooner750: try deleting another file from the drive |
| 02:33.36 | Cooner750 | Yes. everything is working fine on the windows box itself |
| 02:33.42 | pickcoder | ArchitectSinan: can you use it with a live CD? |
| 02:33.43 | bgilb | how do i know if a mirror is non-free? |
| 02:33.45 | Guerin | Cooner750: no, via samba. |
| 02:33.53 | Guerin | bgilb: it says. |
| 02:34.13 | Guerin | bgilb: non-free is a part of a mirror. If a ghiven mirror doesn't have it, then it won't be there. |
| 02:34.18 | bgilb | oh |
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| 02:34.52 | Cooner750 | Guerin: There arent any files on the share on the Debian box, because I cant put any there |
| 02:35.12 | Guerin | Cooner750: can you copy, instead of moving? |
| 02:35.39 | Cooner750 | Neither will work |
| 02:35.56 | ahlfors | I just installed sid on a machine and in terminals, console, etc., I always see "â" instead of quotation marks. Any idea why this is happening? |
| 02:36.00 | Guerin | Cooner750: ok. I know nothing about samba, so you're much better off just waiting in #samba, or looking for a troubleshooter |
| 02:36.12 | Guerin | this is just one of the reasons samba is evil |
| 02:36.26 | abrotman | ahlfors: bad locale ? |
| 02:36.29 | bgilb | W: Couldn't stat source package list http://mirrors.kernel.org |
| 02:36.30 | Guerin | ahlfors: because you did something wrong. |
| 02:36.46 | Cooner750 | hmm :/ |
| 02:36.55 | ArchitectSinan | pickcoder: Knoppix 5.1 also stuck because of shitty intel 965 chipset |
| 02:36.56 | ahlfors | Guerin, undoubtedly. But I didn't select any weird options on install. It must have been a crummy default option |
| 02:37.06 | bgilb | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main contrib-nonfree |
| 02:37.06 | ahlfors | what should I dpkg-reconfigure? |
| 02:37.09 | bgilb | is that incorrect? |
| 02:37.26 | pickcoder | Cooner750: make sure the "Guest" user is enabled if you are making the share public |
| 02:37.34 | Guerin | bgilb: that's not what I told you to put |
| 02:37.44 | Cooner750 | How? smb.conf? |
| 02:37.52 | pickcoder | Cooner750: Windoze users |
| 02:37.54 | Guerin | bgilb: go back and follow my instructions exactly, not your interpretation of them |
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| 02:38.11 | Guerin | pickcoder: the problem is writing to his debian box, not to his windows box |
| 02:38.37 | pickcoder | oh |
| 02:38.40 | pickcoder | I misread then |
| 02:38.51 | bgilb | my interpretation is by the not understanding you |
| 02:39.03 | Guerin | bgilb: so go back and READ what I fucking told you to do |
| 02:39.12 | bgilb | add ' contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.liist line - man sources.list |
| 02:39.21 | Guerin | bgilb: and is that what you added? |
| 02:39.26 | Guerin | LOOK CAREFULLY |
| 02:39.56 | Guerin | (ignoring the ii typo) |
| 02:40.05 | abrotman | bgilb: in your console .. type 'man sources.list' |
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| 02:40.10 | abrotman | read the whole hting |
| 02:40.20 | Guerin | even that's not necessary |
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| 02:40.33 | bgilb | it was a simple syntax error give me a break |
| 02:40.41 | ahlfors | What should my default locale be, anyhow? (I'm in the USA) |
| 02:40.56 | PEggerr | epsilon, the reason I need openssl is because of depencies that another package has, the other package needs the openssl headers |
| 02:41.09 | abrotman | ahlfors: en_US UTF8 probably |
| 02:41.45 | ahlfors | abrotman, that's what it is now, and I see that circumflex a instead of line-drawing characters, etc. |
| 02:41.57 | ahlfors | How can I tell what locale my other system is using (where everything works fine) |
| 02:41.59 | abrotman | is it your default ? |
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| 02:42.21 | ahlfors | en_US UTF8 is the current default on the system with the problem |
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| 02:43.50 | pickcoder | I have en_US ISO-8859-1 |
| 02:43.54 | pickcoder | not UTF8 |
| 02:44.04 | pickcoder | depends on the font set you install for the console |
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| 02:44.30 | BucWheat | hi all. is there a linux equivalent to www.logmein.com? |
| 02:44.33 | ahlfors | I set it to en_US ISO-8859-1, and everything works now. |
| 02:44.58 | Cooner750 | Well |
| 02:45.09 | abrotman | UTF8 is almost always better |
| 02:45.09 | Cooner750 | I can write to my home directory now, but not /dos |
| 02:45.41 | ahlfors | abrotman, in general I agree with you. Any idea why I'm having this problem with it? |
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| 02:45.57 | abrotman | ahlfors: ascii porn ? |
| 02:45.58 | BucWheat | how can i access my desktop remotely without opening extra ports in router |
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| 02:46.14 | abrotman | magic |
| 02:46.19 | BucWheat | this logmein.com stuff for windows is cool and i want to know if there is a linux equivalent |
| 02:46.21 | abrotman | define .. extra ports |
| 02:46.52 | BucWheat | ports other than the standard 80,21, etc. |
| 02:47.00 | BucWheat | have you heard of logmein.com ? |
| 02:47.26 | pickcoder | BucWheat: yeah.. it's called secure shell. You can configure it to listen on any available port |
| 02:47.34 | pickcoder | :P |
| 02:47.54 | Cooner750 | How can I change a user's home directory? |
| 02:48.02 | abrotman | BucWheat: you can use X over ssh |
| 02:48.28 | ahlfors | en_US UTF8 screws everything up. Could it be my fonts or something? |
| 02:48.36 | ahlfors | It happens even in the console. |
| 02:49.15 | BucWheat | abrotman where might i find info on setting up such a thing to see my desktop using X over ssh? |
| 02:49.29 | Guerin | !tell BucWheat about sshx |
| 02:49.39 | abrotman | !sshx |
| 02:49.40 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sshx is Enable X11Forwarding **on the remote server** (/etc/ssh/sshd_config) and install xauth (in xbase-clients) on both the client and the server. Then you can use ssh -X on the client side. Ssh will run xauth and set the DISPLAY variable automatically. Neither xhost, nor X tcp support are necessary. Hint: ssh -X root@localhost, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/windows/sshx.html |
| 02:49.42 | abrotman | doh! |
| 02:49.47 | Guerin | pwnt |
| 02:49.54 | abrotman | guwlkjfe! |
| 02:50.41 | BucWheat | abrotman what if i'm in windows. what app to use then? |
| 02:50.42 | Cooner750 | I need to be able to write to the mounted partition /dos from SMB |
| 02:50.54 | abrotman | BucWheat: remote X |
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| 02:51.10 | abrotman | BucWheat: you can make X work in windows |
| 02:51.32 | BucWheat | abrotman the issue is i have installed linux based kiosk for a few clients who are 100% windows users and they now want to access their kiosk remotely |
| 02:51.54 | abrotman | BucWheat: the ones that crash? :) |
| 02:51.56 | BucWheat | the kicker is they are placed in areas where my clients do not have access to the network infrastructure i.e routers |
| 02:52.02 | pickcoder | abrotman: heh.. are you serious? |
| 02:52.12 | BucWheat | abrotman hehe you remember :) i have fixed the problem HEAT !!!!! |
| 02:52.16 | abrotman | pickcoder: serious about what ? |
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| 02:52.22 | pickcoder | X on Win |
| 02:52.22 | abrotman | BucWheat: seriously.. heat? |
| 02:52.25 | coach | hi@all |
| 02:52.26 | abrotman | pickcoder: yes |
| 02:53.09 | coach | i've got a problem: x won't start, i just upgraded from stable to testing, now he sais, that he can't find my mouse (ps2) |
| 02:53.21 | BucWheat | abrotman yup |
| 02:53.37 | abrotman | BucWheat: anyways . you can do X on windows |
| 02:54.06 | BucWheat | abrotman remember my clients are simple windows users so the process to get X in windows has to be painless heh |
| 02:54.07 | chemaja | BucWheat: xming + plink :-D |
| 02:54.13 | pickcoder | coach: lsmod | grep mousedev |
| 02:54.32 | BucWheat | chemaja researching xming and plink now |
| 02:54.37 | abrotman | BucWheat: then VNC is the easiest probably |
| 02:54.41 | chemaja | BucWheat: just make sure you use putty to do a manual connect first to accept the host key, otherwise xming just hangs |
| 02:54.47 | chemaja | BucWheat: that's a one-time thing |
| 02:54.57 | coach | pickcoder: doesn't find anything^^ |
| 02:55.24 | BucWheat | abrotman don't have access to router to add vnc's ports |
| 02:55.24 | Guerin | BucWheat: i'd use a local x server on windows and xdcmp |
| 02:55.24 | Guerin | or what is it |
| 02:55.24 | pickcoder | coach: then modprobe it and add it to /etc/modules |
| 02:55.24 | chemaja | BucWheat: i'm typing this via an xming X server right now (connected to a shared RHEL3 box) |
| 02:55.24 | Guerin | !xdmcp |
| 02:55.24 | dpkg | it has been said that xdmcp is if using a recent xdm .deb, comment last line in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-config to enable xdmcp at all! also edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xaccess to specify which clients are allowed to use XDMCP - a single line of "*" means "anyone in the world" |
| 02:55.24 | Guerin | there it is |
| 02:55.24 | abrotman | BucWheat: you're making this realyl darnhard :) |
| 02:55.34 | BucWheat | abrotman :) |
| 02:55.39 | Agrajag- | has anyone here installed dspam on sarge from backports? i can't find any good documentation on getting it running with exim4 (the debian way, if there is one) |
| 02:56.06 | BucWheat | Guerin xdcmp is currently enabled on the kiosk |
| 02:56.27 | Guerin | BucWheat: so tell your users to install cygwin or something else's x server and connect to it |
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| 02:56.33 | Guerin | done, simple |
| 02:56.46 | BucWheat | not if port 117 is not open on router |
| 02:56.56 | Guerin | fix the router |
| 02:57.03 | Guerin | BucWheat: or make it use another port |
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| 02:57.18 | BucWheat | if i could figure out how www.logmein.com connects remotely to windows boxes without tinkering with network infrastructure i'd have it made |
| 02:57.29 | coach | pickcoder: thx, it works now... |
| 02:57.30 | BucWheat | i think they use http tunneling but i'm not certain |
| 02:57.31 | abrotman | there's a java thingie that might work |
| 02:57.40 | pickcoder | coach: great! |
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| 02:57.47 | coach | pickcoder: can i remove psmouse from my /etc/modules? |
| 02:57.50 | abrotman | https://jxta-remote-desktop.dev.java.net/ |
| 02:57.57 | pickcoder | coach: is it in use? |
| 02:58.02 | coach | w8 |
| 02:58.11 | coach | i think so, how do i test it? |
| 02:58.13 | coach | losf? |
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| 02:58.17 | coach | lsof^^ |
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| 02:59.00 | BucWheat | abrotman looking into it now |
| 02:59.04 | pickcoder | I don't think you can remove it. I believe mousedev uses it |
| 02:59.13 | abrotman | BucWheat: i've never used it .. i can't really comment on how well it works |
| 02:59.20 | Guerin | you CAN remove it |
| 02:59.31 | Guerin | whether your mouse will still work is another thing |
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| 03:00.19 | coach | pickcoder: k, thx4help |
| 03:00.23 | coach | cya@all |
| 03:00.29 | rgsteele_home | dpkg tell me about moo |
| 03:00.33 | rgsteele_home | aw |
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| 03:04.08 | ahlfors | If I do diff -u A B and the output contains '+foo', that means foo is in B and not A, right? |
| 03:04.19 | glitch- | i have no idea how to configure switch..well when I add the switch between the router and the linux box It won't connect |
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| 03:05.05 | LazyFrog | I am having trouble installing mysql-server and mysql-client. when I try to apt-get install mysql-server it tells me it is dependent on libdbi-perl, but that libdbi is not installable... |
| 03:05.11 | LazyFrog | what is the problem? |
| 03:05.20 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 03:05.32 | sanmarcos | I have my windows partition in /dev/hdb1, in grub that would be hd(1,0), but I still cant boot, it tells me unknown partition type (I have chainloader +1), any ideas? |
| 03:05.39 | LazyFrog | latest one :p, I'm not sure exactly which one it is... |
| 03:06.00 | pickcoder | BucWheat: what are you trying to accomplish? remote from the kiosk to your machine? |
| 03:06.22 | BucWheat | pickcoder yes. to see the kiosk screen on my machine |
| 03:06.41 | pickcoder | but you can't use an existing port for ssh? |
| 03:06.45 | BucWheat | pickcoder the problem is getting access to the kiosk from outside of the LAN that the kiosk is on |
| 03:07.41 | abrotman | LazyFrog: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
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| 03:08.15 | BucWheat | pickcoder if you have a windows box try logmein.com it is wicked |
| 03:08.24 | pickcoder | BucWheat: I use gotomypc |
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| 03:08.38 | pickcoder | you can use it even in FF on X |
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| 03:08.45 | Kevin` | I use ssh |
| 03:08.50 | Kevin` | and rdp over that |
| 03:08.54 | Kevin` | works great.. |
| 03:08.56 | pickcoder | but the server has to be installed on a Win box |
| 03:09.08 | abrotman | no |
| 03:09.15 | BucWheat | the gotompc server software right? |
| 03:09.18 | abrotman | he needs the linux box to be the server |
| 03:09.22 | pickcoder | I know |
| 03:09.30 | pickcoder | I'm just saying.. the view is in java |
| 03:09.36 | pickcoder | view+er |
| 03:09.36 | BucWheat | to bad they do not have a linux version heh |
| 03:09.44 | Kevin` | it's not too bad, imo |
| 03:09.49 | Kevin` | it forces you to use something better |
| 03:09.58 | JB80 | quick question if anyone has the time for it.. I just setup a Debian box for the first time and for some reason it doesn't read my .Xdefaults. Anyone know why? |
| 03:09.59 | BucWheat | like what Kevin` |
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| 03:10.21 | Kevin` | BucWheat something that doesn't go through external servers and use a proprietary protocol/software |
| 03:10.30 | Kevin` | I use ssh with a tunnel for rdp |
| 03:10.40 | pickcoder | I think the server on the PC sets up a reverse connection through the main web site |
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| 03:10.52 | Kevin` | if you watn something fast-like you could use freenx |
| 03:10.58 | pickcoder | when you connect, the applet talks to the web site's connection pool |
| 03:11.09 | zinx | JB80: did you create a .xinitrc? |
| 03:11.14 | pickcoder | that's how it gets around incoming routing issues |
| 03:11.17 | BucWheat | Kevin` that is a great idea but it will not work if you are behind a firewall that has ssh port blocked |
| 03:11.26 | JB80 | i have a .xsession....using xdm |
| 03:11.34 | zinx | JB80: try .Xresources then |
| 03:11.34 | BucWheat | pickcoder http tunneling right? |
| 03:11.38 | pickcoder | no |
| 03:11.41 | JB80 | i did |
| 03:11.45 | Kevin` | BucWheat this is why I am not behind a firewall, and don't have ssh blocked.... |
| 03:11.45 | LazyFrog | abrotman, thanx I'll try it now |
| 03:11.56 | zinx | JB80: it should load unless you created a .xinitrc |
| 03:11.57 | pickcoder | outgoing NAT is available on your router, right? |
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| 03:12.03 | RnB-Tunes | hello |
| 03:12.04 | abrotman | LazyFrog: that was to show us |
| 03:12.11 | abrotman | oh goodie .. spam coming! |
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| 03:12.24 | JB80 | for example i set some stuff for my terminal and if i start a terminal from an existing one, it reads it...from the menu it's a no go |
| 03:12.40 | BucWheat | pickcoder so i need to figure out a way to allow my kiosk to talk to a centrally located web server outside of the LAN and then do some reverse connection xdcmp type stuff |
| 03:12.50 | pickcoder | right |
| 03:12.53 | LazyFrog | abrotman it displayed: |
| 03:12.59 | JB80 | wierd stuff |
| 03:13.01 | pickcoder | or a connection proxy |
| 03:13.08 | BucWheat | pickcoder well lets start a project to git 'er done |
| 03:13.12 | pickcoder | lol |
| 03:13.13 | LazyFrog | ii libc6 2.3.2.ds1-22 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezones |
| 03:13.14 | zinx | JB80: could be a different terminal on the menu, or started with different options |
| 03:13.20 | LazyFrog | *Timezone |
| 03:13.28 | Kevin` | BucWheat the easiest/best way to do that might be to use openvpn |
| 03:13.42 | BucWheat | googling openvpn ow |
| 03:13.49 | pickcoder | Kevin`: if the router is blocked except for outgoing NAT, then you can't get in the router from the outside at all |
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| 03:14.33 | abrotman | LazyFrog: looks like sarge ... apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 |
| 03:14.48 | Kevin` | pickcoder i'd use vpn in that case.. most powerful, and easy to run anything over it |
| 03:15.18 | pickcoder | vpn how? bridged subnets? |
| 03:15.28 | Terminus | JB80: did you restart it's .Xresources i think and did you restart X? if you didn't, you need to call xrdb. |
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| 03:15.53 | Terminus | ummm... s/did you restart// |
| 03:15.58 | JB80 | got it....the debian menu was starting mrxvt up with mrxvt-full |
| 03:16.08 | LazyFrog | abrotman: mysql-client-4.1: Depends: libdbi-perl but it is not installable / Depends: libdbd-mysql-perl (>= 1.2202) but it is not installable |
| 03:16.09 | JB80 | thanks guys |
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| 03:16.27 | LazyFrog | abrotman: mysql-server-4.1: Depends: libdbi-perls but it is not installable |
| 03:16.30 | abrotman | !info libdbd-mysql-perl sarge |
| 03:16.38 | dpkg | libdbd-mysql-perl: (A Perl5 database interface to the MySQL database), section perl, is optional. Version: 2.9006-1 (sarge), Packaged size: 129 kB, Installed size: 368 kB |
| 03:16.56 | abrotman | should be installable |
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| 03:17.16 | LazyFrog | I'm just telling you what it says :) I dunno why it isn't installing it... |
| 03:17.25 | Natua | hello |
| 03:17.44 | Natua | did anyone else experience locale problems upgrading to the latest X.org? |
| 03:17.55 | _rui_ | need some help, my deadkeys are working in firefox but not in any kde application |
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| 03:18.09 | _rui_ | natua: deadkeys? |
| 03:18.29 | Natua | well, that, and a lot of messages about Xlib not supporting my locale |
| 03:18.35 | Natua | when it was working just fine before |
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| 03:19.13 | Natua | i'm actually not using deadkeys per se, but I'm using XKB to switch between different keyboard layouts |
| 03:19.47 | Natua | i can still switch, and the keysyms are generated, but xterm/rxvt refuse to translate them because Xlib doesn't recognize the locale |
| 03:20.56 | Rusty1 | LazyFrog: what does apt-get -s -t unstable install libdbi-perl give you |
| 03:21.27 | Steakk | ew, apt pining |
| 03:21.46 | peterS | Natua: what locale? |
| 03:22.10 | Natua | en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:22.15 | LazyFrog | Rusty1: Package libdbi-perl is not available... E: Package libdbi-perl has no installation candidate |
| 03:22.27 | peterS | and you've generated the locale in libc? |
| 03:22.32 | peterS | ('dpkg-reconfigure locales') |
| 03:22.34 | Natua | yes |
| 03:23.11 | Rusty1 | LazyFrog: apt-get update, recently? |
| 03:23.17 | LazyFrog | yeh |
| 03:23.19 | Natua | and `locale` tells me that the LC_*/LANG are set to en_US.UTF-8 |
| 03:23.28 | LazyFrog | Rusty1: just a few minutes ago |
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| 03:24.02 | Rusty1 | LazyFrog: apt-cache policy libdbi-perl, what? |
| 03:24.05 | Natua | furthermore, I can actually see UTF-8 on the terminal just fine |
| 03:24.21 | Natua | (e.g., cat a UTF-8 text file) |
| 03:24.54 | Natua | but the input doesn't work, and I get this message when running rxvt: urxvt: the locale is not supported by Xlib, working without locale support. |
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| 03:25.40 | LazyFrog | Rusty1: libdbi-perl: Installed: (none) / Candidate: (none) / Version Table: |
| 03:26.14 | peterS | LazyFrog: that's odd, it's available in all debian package suites and architectures |
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| 03:26.38 | minerale | I used gparted to resize my main ntfs partition... now that partition is empty... what can I do ? (looking for recovery programs .. any out there that work on linux?... windows is now un-bootable) |
| 03:26.59 | Natua | (on another note, does anybody else run xdm with two local X servers? it seems extremely flaky after the latest upgrade) |
| 03:27.02 | linuxmigration | can i get a pointer to info on firefoxrc? specifically what the function of the file is (does it just set env vars or moz prefs?) and where the code that controls the location's it searches in is. |
| 03:28.34 | Rusty1 | LazyFrog: paste your /etc/apt/sources.list someplace |
| 03:29.13 | LazyFrog | paste it where? |
| 03:29.27 | peterS | minerale: windows vista, or something released? |
| 03:29.36 | Rusty1 | pastebin will do |
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| 03:30.10 | peterS | minerale: anyway, you can try 'ntfsfix' from ntfsprogs |
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| 03:31.39 | mo1991 | what are some good slideshow programs for image viewing / sorting for sarge? |
| 03:31.47 | Natua | anybody has a clue what's going on with my locales? :-( |
| 03:32.15 | minerale | peters: the ntfs partition works... it's just empty |
| 03:33.53 | peterS | minerale: so I suppose the root directory was misplaced. I wonder if that bug has been reported in libparted1.6 or libparted1.7-1 yet |
| 03:34.22 | stoned_the_ball_ | what? |
| 03:34.32 | stoned | wtf was that all about |
| 03:35.12 | sid | mo1991: f-spot |
| 03:35.39 | stoned | f-spot? |
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| 03:36.10 | stoned | fantastic |
| 03:36.18 | stoned | nothing broke during this sid upgrade today |
| 03:36.39 | Natua | stoned: lucky you |
| 03:36.51 | Natua | just about everything broke for me after this morning's upgrade |
| 03:37.12 | stoned | yeh |
| 03:37.14 | stoned | shit happens |
| 03:37.23 | stoned | if you can't fix it, don't use sid |
| 03:37.32 | stoned | er.. |
| 03:37.35 | Natua | oh wait... sid? experimental? |
| 03:37.41 | stoned | as they say, "if you can't fix it, don't use sid" |
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| 03:37.57 | stoned | sid = unstable |
| 03:37.57 | Natua | nevermind, i'm talking about unstable... |
| 03:37.59 | Natua | oh |
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| 03:38.16 | Natua | well, I'm prepared to fix it if only I knew where to look |
| 03:38.54 | Natua | the last time i got my config working, was after hours, nay, days, of searching online and poking into source code to figure out how to make XKB work in xterm |
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| 03:39.21 | Natua | i FINALLY got the thing to work a week or two ago, and then along comes the latest upgrade and it's all broken again |
| 03:39.26 | stoned | I clipped my finger nail too far back and now it hurts |
| 03:39.41 | Natua | lol |
| 03:39.42 | lowlevel | nat; eah tahts why I still run kernel 1.2.13 |
| 03:39.46 | lowlevel | rofl ;) |
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| 03:40.49 | Natua | well, i'm just venting my frus right now... i can still use my system, just that xdm is flaky so i can only run 1 local X server, and the latest kernel upgrade broke suspend2, etc., etc., |
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| 03:42.10 | _rui_ | argh its only in kde applications, i have the correct keyboard layout but the deadkeys aren't working like they should, any idea where to dig? |
| 03:42.27 | stoned | deadkeys? |
| 03:42.46 | Natua | non-en modifiers |
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| 03:42.57 | stoned | oh |
| 03:43.03 | stoned | good luck with that then eh |
| 03:43.08 | stoned | damn fingernail |
| 03:43.38 | Natua | anybody here familiar with the workings of suspend2? |
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| 03:47.04 | Natua | hmph... xterm gives the same locale error message |
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| 03:48.45 | Award | Ok...now I'm getting somewhere on my "can't boot from CD issue". I think I may have traced the problem to, of all places, an HD. |
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| 03:50.11 | Award | Does this sound totally crazy to anyone: 2 HDs, 1 SATA controller card, 1 old PC. Both HDD's plugged into sata controller....I can't boot to CD. HDD1 plugged into sata...can boot to CD or floppy. HDD2 plugged into sata, system hangs on boot just after it detects the FS type/size of the boot image (never actually starts loading, just sees it and stops) |
| 03:50.36 | Award | Yet the RAID bios software (disabled RAID functionality) DOES get a drive ID on the drive as though it works. |
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| 03:50.47 | cyberbaze | how do i run a telnet server on my kanotix , anyone ? |
| 03:50.57 | Award | Can a drive cause that kind of problem even if it is spinning and returing a disk id? |
| 03:53.11 | Natua | what kind of problem? |
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| 04:02.39 | mhall_ | Award: hmm, hd is in sata 2 mode but controller autodetect is busted? |
| 04:02.57 | mhall_ | Award: so maybe jumper hd back down into sata 1 ? |
| 04:03.15 | mhall_ | Award: i know it's crap but i have no other impressions |
| 04:03.38 | mhall_ | Award: also try disabling onboard ide channels: 1, 2, 1 and 2 |
| 04:04.27 | Kage` | Okay, someone mind helping me with this? |
| 04:04.30 | Kage` | konjou:/etc/pam.d# whoami |
| 04:04.30 | Kage` | root |
| 04:04.30 | Kage` | konjou:/etc/pam.d# su www-data |
| 04:04.30 | Kage` | Password: |
| 04:04.30 | Kage` | su: Authentication failure |
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| 04:04.49 | Kage` | Argh.. |
| 04:05.18 | jcreigh | rafb.net/paste :) |
| 04:05.51 | Kage` | http://rafb.net/paste/results/iCupBo49.html |
| 04:06.32 | Kage` | Notice also.. |
| 04:06.41 | Kage` | konjou:/etc/pam.d# grep www-data /etc/shadow |
| 04:06.41 | Kage` | www-data:*:12963:0:99999:7::: |
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| 04:07.54 | keram | anyone know how to replace all occurances of something with something else in vim? |
| 04:08.57 | danieldg | :1,$s/foo/bar/ |
| 04:09.02 | Kage` | Wtf, why can't I su into anything? |
| 04:09.05 | Award | mhall_: Thanks for the tips. I hadn't thought of checking the jumpers...I assumed they'd both come set the same from the factory, I'll give it a shot. |
| 04:09.08 | Kage` | Wtf... PAM messed something up |
| 04:09.38 | Award | mhall_: As for the ide channels, another good thought, though disabling both won't help the boot from CD issue much ;) |
| 04:11.16 | Kage` | Ok *sigh* can someone help me please? |
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| 04:12.31 | jcreigh | keram: % is an alias for 1,$ eg, :%s/foo/bar/ (also, I usually throw the gc modifiers on the like, like so :%s/foo/bar/gc "c" means confirm each change and "g" means replace more than just the first occurence on a line.) |
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| 04:13.19 | jcreigh | keram: Once you're sure the replace is doing what you want, you can hit "a" to have vim do the rest of the replacements without confirmation. |
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| 04:13.32 | misterme | how would one go about removing grub from the MBR without upsetting partitions? |
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| 04:14.40 | misterme | is there a way in debian to restore the original MBR before installation? |
| 04:15.12 | dasunt_ | misterme: What did you do? |
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| 04:16.50 | misterme | nothing, i've got grub loading everytime i boot since i installed debian. |
| 04:17.25 | dasunt_ | Hmmm, do you want lilo instead? |
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| 04:20.40 | dasunt_ | Quiet night in here, btw. |
| 04:20.43 | dasunt_ | Did everyone die? |
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| 04:22.44 | ozatomic | how can i supply rsync a password from stand input instead of waiting for the password: to prompt |
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| 04:24.38 | kyuss | how do I send a string as a terminal command using C++ |
| 04:25.08 | dasunt_ | ozatomic: A secure method (off the top of my head) would be to use an ssh tunnel (with keys) and configure rsync approprately. |
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| 04:29.08 | kyuss | and... how do I get my (nat) ip address so I can login to the vnc server? |
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| 04:30.55 | dasunt_ | kyuss: /sbin/ifconfig |
| 04:31.19 | dasunt_ | kyuss: If the machine you are on is the machine you're natting. If not, try googling for 'whats my ip'. |
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| 04:32.07 | kyuss | AYE! Thats the ticket |
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| 04:33.12 | kyuss | alright |
| 04:33.30 | dasunt_ | ipconfig is the windows command. |
| 04:33.49 | kyuss | yes, and now its the command on this machine too :P |
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| 04:34.22 | dasunt_ | Okay people, need some advice. |
| 04:34.24 | danieldg | keram: if you have iproute installed, you could use 'ip addr' which is even shorter :) |
| 04:35.01 | dasunt_ | I have a Dell Poweredge 4350. Sucking in the sanctioned Dell way(tm), it has room for only three SCSI disks, excluding the bay occupied by the CD-ROM. |
| 04:35.05 | kyuss | now that THAT is done and over with, how do I send a string as a terminal command using C++ |
| 04:35.09 | danieldg | keram: sorry, nm |
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| 04:35.50 | wireddd | I wonder if one of those hi res optical mice with be able to work on corian |
| 04:35.52 | kyuss | because I'm doing some stuff with filenames, and wanted to wrap all the file names as attachments in a sendmail command |
| 04:35.54 | dasunt_ | It ships with some monstrosity raid card not supported by the sarge kernel. Googling on the RAID card, it has an Intel i960 33mhz RISC chip doing the XOR for RAID5. |
| 04:37.18 | dasunt_ | I'm thinking that going to software RAID 5 on the dual PIII 450s will allow me to recover from any catastrophic failure of the hardware more easily, and it shouldn't be that big of a load on the CPUs. |
| 04:37.20 | kyuss | I'm in the wrong channel for that question, huh? |
| 04:37.20 | dasunt_ | Comments? |
| 04:38.08 | dasunt_ | kyuss: Isn't there an option for sendmail's mail command for attachments? |
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| 04:42.45 | kyuss | I'm trying to send each file in the directory as its own email |
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| 04:44.08 | kyuss | + I'm going to add a switch to not send any files greater that X bytes, kbytes, mbytes |
| 04:44.24 | dasunt_ | Almost sounds like a scripting language problem. |
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| 04:44.51 | kyuss | c++ isn't a scripting language? |
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| 04:46.38 | kyuss | meh, I'm doing it in c++ because its for a class in linux systems programming, we're doing LS as our first assignment with a couple switches for it and I figured this would be a good warmup |
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| 04:47.19 | dasunt_ | C++ would be a way to do it as well. |
| 04:47.41 | kyuss | and I'd actually find it useful to be able to type in senddir /home/kyuss/music/kyuss/blues and then have it prompt me for all the variables I need |
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| 04:48.51 | kyuss | and the only thing I'm lacking is how to have it send the command to the kernel, or terminal... or whatever would process the sendmail commands |
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| 04:51.19 | dasunt_ | Isn't there a 'sys' or 'exec'? |
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| 04:53.26 | kyuss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.27 | kyuss | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:53.31 | kyuss | Yes, yes there is |
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| 04:53.48 | kyuss | these pills must be kicking my arse, because I should have thought of that |
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| 04:58.47 | SoloFlyer | dasunt i use software raid for exactly that reason i think that software has better redundancy as if the hard ware raid disk controller fails you may not be able to read the data |
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| 04:59.42 | Kevin` | software raid can also be faster, if your limitation is the pci bus instead of the disk interface |
| 04:59.57 | SoloFlyer | that too |
| 05:00.13 | SoloFlyer | plus you also can have the redundancy of multiple ide controllers... |
| 05:00.14 | iLLf8d | anyone recall the name of the gnome/gtk based xwindow script tools used to create menus and whatnot from scripted output? |
| 05:00.35 | iLLf8d | I can't think of the terms I need to use in apt-cache search |
| 05:01.04 | SoloFlyer | do you mean glade? |
| 05:01.32 | iLLf8d | no I mean like uhm sheesh you want to add a gtk/gnome looking menu to a shell script you wrote etc... |
| 05:01.39 | iLLf8d | wtf is the name of that thing |
| 05:02.10 | iLLf8d | its like the curses version whose name I can't recall either but looks like gnome/gtk instead |
| 05:02.46 | iLLf8d | like whiptail |
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| 05:03.40 | iLLf8d | zenity |
| 05:03.40 | iLLf8d | thats it |
| 05:03.40 | iLLf8d | dialog is the word I needed for the search |
| 05:03.41 | SoloFlyer | lol |
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| 05:04.11 | SoloFlyer | i had no idea what you wanted lol... i understand now :) |
| 05:04.32 | bucky | iLLf8d, zenity ? |
| 05:04.40 | iLLf8d | yeah thanks bucky |
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| 05:05.00 | iLLf8d | for some stupid reason I kept thinking of the word evince which is a viewer |
| 05:05.06 | iLLf8d | s/word/name |
| 05:05.41 | bucky | apt-cache search gtk |grep shell gave it to me |
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| 05:07.18 | dasunt_ | evince is nice. |
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| 05:09.33 | deadcat | very strange.. i can ctl alt fN from gnome but not my openbox setup.. must be my keymapping... |
| 05:09.49 | deadcat | i have gnome-core installed.. now how do i make it work with compiz? (= |
| 05:10.04 | deadcat | from startx, i have exec gnome-session in .xinitrc |
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| 05:10.38 | iLLf8d | deadcat install gdm |
| 05:10.44 | deadcat | iLLf8d: no. |
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| 05:10.52 | iLLf8d | or not heh |
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| 05:11.08 | deadcat | iLLf8d: hows gdm gonna use compiz |
| 05:11.09 | ozatomic | with 'at' do i do at now < command or at now | command |
| 05:11.24 | iLLf8d | exec gnome-session should work |
| 05:11.25 | deadcat | ozatomic: at now then enter |
| 05:11.43 | ozatomic | how do i do it jsut using the one line |
| 05:11.44 | deadcat | iLLf8d: it starts. it just might be using metacity still.. i want to use compiz instead |
| 05:11.55 | ozatomic | i'm sure u can pipe it in some how i just can't remember how |
| 05:12.19 | deadcat | ozatomic: no need. the man page shows it i think |
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| 05:12.59 | ahlfors | You know, it's amazing how much crap depends on X |
| 05:13.03 | dasunt_ | Where would I get a list of the debian installation kernel compile options? |
| 05:13.04 | grendal_prime | can someone please explain to me why when a plugin fails on a website it just hangs there consuming memory |
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| 05:13.26 | valdyn | dasunt_: /boot/config-$(uname -r) |
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| 05:14.05 | dasunt_ | Without grabbing the CD. |
| 05:14.10 | valdyn | grendal_prime: why does software have bugs? |
| 05:16.45 | SoloFlyer | valdyn: because software is reflection of its creator; imperfect... |
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| 05:17.48 | deadcat | whats the Super key? |
| 05:18.42 | grendal_prime | well im just wondering if its just something i have configed wrong |
| 05:19.06 | dasunt_ | deadcat: Whatever you want the super key to be. |
| 05:19.23 | valdyn | deadcat: windows key |
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| 05:23.07 | deadcat | valdyn: oh. |
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| 05:23.34 | deadcat | liable: how do i use compiz with gnome? i have gnome-core installed. |
| 05:24.24 | dooglus | can someone please help me writing an /etc/fstab entry for fusesmb? |
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| 05:26.20 | SoloFlyer | dooglus man fstab |
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| 05:34.20 | thehin | make money no joke!! http://www.netwinner.com/?signupCode=thehin |
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| 05:35.37 | SubStack | Guarenteed way to make money! Get a job! |
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| 05:43.37 | kyuss | SubStack has it right |
| 05:43.59 | kyuss | however I can find a job where you will not make any money in the first 6 months |
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| 05:48.05 | UnL0CkER | the deian install cd has ssh? |
| 05:48.09 | UnL0CkER | debian* |
| 05:49.10 | dondelelcaro | UnL0CkER: yes. |
| 05:50.00 | UnL0CkER | is outo/ |
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| 05:50.08 | UnL0CkER | auto? |
| 05:50.17 | UnL0CkER | or I need to start? |
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| 05:52.58 | iLLf8d | yes in or out you need to start |
| 05:53.11 | UnL0CkER | how? |
| 05:53.32 | UnL0CkER | Im trying to help a debian user friend |
| 05:53.47 | UnL0CkER | hes having a hard time to cfg lilo so... |
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| 05:54.09 | UnL0CkER | how do I start the ssh on the install cd? |
| 05:54.21 | f4`vad3r | ok, i'm not sure what happened here but i'm trying to fix my brothers computer with what seems some serious partition issues, he had some unallocated space which he formatted as ntfs in gparted with no issue |
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| 05:54.46 | jzu_ | HMm |
| 05:54.52 | f4`vad3r | later, he split the partition to ntfs/fat32 in partition magic and since then linux won't boot. the drive with linux is also the same drive with the partition created by partition magic |
| 05:54.56 | jzu_ | Anyone installed php5-gd? |
| 05:55.06 | jzu_ | Why the fuck it wants to install X-shit |
| 05:55.09 | f4`vad3r | i have since used a live cd and reinstalled grub thinking no big deal but it still hangs on boot |
| 05:55.13 | iLLf8d | UnL0CkER, switch to a console and go fish |
| 05:55.19 | jzu_ | I just want to have php5-gd, not any XFree stuff. |
| 05:55.24 | f4`vad3r | i can mount his ext3 part and everything seems to be there |
| 05:55.28 | iLLf8d | I've never tried it before in the installer |
| 05:55.32 | jzu_ | Is it MUST to install X-stuff to have php5-gd? |
| 05:55.39 | f4`vad3r | i then launched gparted off a live cd and deleted the partitions he created in partition magic and then reinstalled grub again but still no dice |
| 05:55.50 | iLLf8d | UnL0CkER, you may want to install a newer version with grub tho |
| 05:55.50 | jzu_ | Someone needs to use php in jpg-stuff at website |
| 05:55.51 | f4`vad3r | so far i think i've reinstalled grub 5 times, i'm not sure what else to try at this point |
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| 05:56.03 | jzu_ | I wonder why the hell php5-gd needs X-stuf f |
| 05:56.34 | UnL0CkER | iLLf8d, thx mate, but is not on my machine |
| 05:56.45 | UnL0CkER | Im trying to help a friend |
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| 05:57.18 | UnL0CkER | but I guess U can't help... maybe ill help him with a fresh gentoo install then |
| 05:57.20 | UnL0CkER | thx anyway |
| 05:57.22 | UnL0CkER | :\ |
| 05:57.38 | iLLf8d | UnL0CkER, how old is his cd if its doing lilo? |
| 05:57.41 | jzu_ | The following NEW packages will be installed: defoma file fontconfig libfontconfig1 libgd2-xpm libice6 libsm6 libt1-5 libx11-6 libxext6 libxpm4 php5-gd ttf-bitstream-vera xfree86-common xlibs-data |
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| 05:58.05 | jzu_ | php5-gd wants to install all those, I just wonder why it wants to install xfree86-common and libfontconfig etc. |
| 05:58.09 | jzu_ | I don't want those |
| 05:59.41 | iLLf8d | f4`vad3r, did you fix grub, or is the paritition layout the same? |
| 06:00.26 | ma3x | when I do backup with mondoarchive, I should specify which devices to be excluded, so I specify /dev/hda2 for example. But if /dev/hda2 is mounted for the moment, it backs it up too. Now if I specify /media/hda2, it will then not back it up. But if I have more devices like this, I can't specify more than let's say 3-4 of them, because the mondo text box is limited. So what should I do? |
| 06:00.57 | f4`vad3r | iLLf8d, I just reinstalled grub the partition layout is still the same |
| 06:00.59 | Guerin | ma3x: this is why guis are shit |
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| 06:01.17 | iLLf8d | f4`vad3r, you sure? how could it format a partition with 2 different filesystems? |
| 06:01.33 | Guerin | whoever heard of a gui backup tool? |
| 06:01.41 | iLLf8d | f4`vad3r, if he split it and has an nfts and a fat 32 then the logical partitions will be wrong |
| 06:01.45 | Guerin | what's the point of something that can't be automated? |
| 06:01.47 | ma3x | Guerin: I totally agree with you. But learning the commands takes a lot of time. And I'm not much into computers |
| 06:02.03 | Guerin | ma3x: you're in the wrong game, then, fucking with backups and such. |
| 06:02.14 | f4`vad3r | iLLf8d, hmm now that I think of it you might be right |
| 06:02.33 | ma3x | Guerin: ok, do you use mondo too? |
| 06:02.33 | f4`vad3r | well at this point the ntfs/fat32 are gone, it's just unallocated space as it was before |
| 06:02.46 | Guerin | ma3x: christ no. I use rsync. |
| 06:02.47 | f4`vad3r | so I thought I wouldn't need to modify boot.1st or anything, just reinstall grub |
| 06:02.49 | UnL0CkER | iLLf8d, never mind man, im tired and drunk |
| 06:02.56 | UnL0CkER | tomorrow ill do it for him |
| 06:02.58 | iLLf8d | is the partition scheme the same? if not you need to tell grub where things are at the command line |
| 06:03.01 | UnL0CkER | thx for the try |
| 06:03.09 | ma3x | Guerin: is it simple? can it create boot cd/dvd or images at least? |
| 06:03.15 | iLLf8d | do you even get a grub login menu? |
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| 06:03.23 | Guerin | ma3x: no, rsync is just like cp on steriods |
| 06:03.42 | f4`vad3r | iLLf8d, I guess my knowledge of grub is limited, i thought when reinstalling grub it would 'rediscover' such information |
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| 06:04.06 | iLLf8d | not if it changed |
| 06:04.23 | iLLf8d | if its the same you're fine |
| 06:04.31 | iLLf8d | if not it won't rediscover it by itself |
| 06:04.34 | f4`vad3r | iLLf8d, his ext3, and swap have not been resized/moved so I thought it would be just reinstall grub |
| 06:04.39 | ma3x | Guerin: so you just copy the data you need (example - photos, music, other data...) but not the system data? |
| 06:05.00 | f4`vad3r | if thats what you mean by not changed |
| 06:05.12 | iLLf8d | f4`vad3r, hard to tell depending on what the setup was before.. the size of the drive etc.... |
| 06:05.17 | scanf | why does gedit warn: Gtk-WARNING **: Locale not supported by C library when $LANG=en_US.UTF-8 |
| 06:05.29 | iLLf8d | f4`vad3r, partition magic used to like to play games with partitions (dunno if it still does) |
| 06:05.29 | scanf | I think en_US.UTF-8 support is pretty basic |
| 06:05.38 | f4`vad3r | yes i think thats the case here |
| 06:05.43 | iLLf8d | f4`vad3r, ie it'd move things to extended even if unnecessary etc... |
| 06:06.03 | iLLf8d | but I haven't used pm in years like 5-10 |
| 06:06.07 | f4`vad3r | he has a drive larger than his bios could detect, has since flashed his bios and now gparted sees the unallocated space but part magic didn't |
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| 06:06.29 | iLLf8d | yeah it may try to put an overlay on it |
| 06:06.35 | f4`vad3r | he created the ntfs part in gparted with no issue, but splited it in part magic and thats when it fell apart |
| 06:07.01 | f4`vad3r | so I have since deleted and gparted again shows the space as unallocated and part magic doesn't see it again |
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| 06:07.14 | iLLf8d | did you delete the partition too then? |
| 06:07.24 | f4`vad3r | so it seems as if it's back to what it was before but obviously not |
| 06:07.32 | iLLf8d | the point is the partitions have to have the same numbering in grub for it to work |
| 06:07.58 | f4`vad3r | i only deleted the partition that was originally created in gpart then split in part magic. deleted it in gparted |
| 06:08.11 | iLLf8d | you can tell grub to search for stuff too but you'll have to crawl up its butt and try to figure out its cryptic usermanual |
| 06:08.15 | f4`vad3r | yes exactly regarding the same numbering with grub |
| 06:08.31 | f4`vad3r | but i'm not sure how to make sure thats in sync at this point with grub and the parts |
| 06:08.43 | f4`vad3r | the numbering that is |
| 06:09.01 | iLLf8d | well mount your boot path and look in menu.lst |
| 06:09.07 | iLLf8d | check the hd entries in there |
| 06:09.14 | iLLf8d | then look in fdisk and make sure they match up |
| 06:09.43 | f4`vad3r | do you mean just the partition labels as in hdb6 etc |
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| 06:10.25 | f4`vad3r | from what I can tell partition magic/gparted and grub agree on that much at least |
| 06:10.52 | iLLf8d | yeah make sure they tie into whats in menu.lst |
| 06:12.13 | iLLf8d | you may be able to run the fdisk /mbr command in weenos too (but that may be wrong I forget was years ago) |
| 06:12.25 | f4`vad3r | i'll reboot and mount and check again but I'm pretty sure thats in sync, I thought it might be more low level than that like grub is thinking sector size or something has changed on the disc |
| 06:12.34 | iLLf8d | theres a switch to tell windows to fix it which might nuke the partition magic cruft |
| 06:12.55 | iLLf8d | I'm not overly grub savvy and usually just poke around till I get this stuff right |
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| 06:13.20 | f4`vad3r | ah i see what your talking about, your thinking it could be part magic did some overlay crap to recognize the larger drive |
| 06:13.26 | f4`vad3r | could be... |
| 06:14.07 | iLLf8d | its probably that or the drives aren't the same order they used to be in |
| 06:14.12 | iLLf8d | like I said pm likes to move shit around |
| 06:14.12 | f4`vad3r | damn, i turned him on to linux, and really trying to avoid doing a reinstall but I've been wasting a couple of hours trying to fix this partition |
| 06:14.31 | iLLf8d | even if he had say 2 or 3 primaries it'll usually move some to extended |
| 06:14.43 | iLLf8d | primarys even |
| 06:14.47 | f4`vad3r | true |
| 06:14.51 | iLLf8d | oops ies heh |
| 06:14.59 | f4`vad3r | heh |
| 06:15.00 | iLLf8d | I can't even spell atm |
| 06:15.20 | f4`vad3r | well i''ll reboot and recheck menu.1st and see if there is anything i missed |
| 06:15.23 | f4`vad3r | thx for the suggestions |
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| 06:19.10 | infoclog | i have a USB mouse |
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| 06:19.45 | infoclog | but when I plug it into the Computer, it does not recognize it |
| 06:20.02 | infoclog | it is not hotplug _ |
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| 06:39.48 | yubimusubi | Hi, I was wondering if it's possible with apt-get/aptitude to install a package to a user's home directory instead of system-wide |
| 06:40.31 | epsilon | not as debian-default |
| 06:40.47 | yubimusubi | Ah...so the admins actually have to make it possible? |
| 06:41.00 | epsilon | has nothing to do with it |
| 06:41.07 | yubimusubi | Okay |
| 06:41.33 | yubimusubi | Basically, I'm trying to get irssi so I don't have to deal with ircII on this b0x, heheh |
| 06:41.57 | epsilon | maintained .deb installs as usal in /usr, /etc, /var, etc - if you want to install something different, you must do it manually |
| 06:41.57 | Guerin | yubimusubi: wjhy not install it globally? |
| 06:42.10 | yubimusubi | Guerin: not my b0x :( |
| 06:42.32 | epsilon | get the .deb source and compile & install in your home |
| 06:42.43 | Guerin | yubimusubi: use aptitude download and unar/untar into your /home |
| 06:42.54 | Guerin | debian packages will still work |
| 06:43.00 | yubimusubi | Hm..okay, that sounds doable :) |
| 06:43.31 | epsilon | unpacking binary may not work, if path is different |
| 06:43.45 | Guerin | setting PATH is trivial |
| 06:43.46 | yubimusubi | Well, I can declare the PATH variable, yes? |
| 06:43.50 | Guerin | yes |
| 06:44.08 | epsilon | yea, but a binary expect conf in /etc? |
| 06:44.15 | Guerin | you need to be careful, though, since it can be a security risk to set PATH within your home globally |
| 06:44.22 | Guerin | epsilon: not if there's one in ~ |
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| 06:44.57 | Guerin | the problem arises when you need to install lots of libs and such like this |
| 06:45.03 | epsilon | how do you know the binary search for /etc in ~? |
| 06:45.04 | Guerin | which hopefully you shouldn't have to |
| 06:45.07 | yubimusubi | Okay, irssi package is downloaded... now I use dpkg somehow? |
| 06:45.28 | Guerin | yubimusubi: dpkg -x I think. man dpkg |
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| 06:46.01 | yubimusubi | Okay |
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| 06:47.32 | yubimusubi | Ahhh, you guys are awesome :) |
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| 06:52.22 | Guerin | !beer me |
| 06:52.42 | yubimusubi | cool bot :) |
| 06:52.58 | dimir | !coffee me |
| 06:53.01 | yubimusubi | regarding bots.....it seems I can't install POE::Component::IRC on this b0x :/ |
| 06:53.14 | mhall | How would I get running Ruby to start 1.9 instead of 1.8? It seems it's not in alternatives. |
| 06:53.24 | mhall | Or I'm stupid. Or both. =) |
| 06:53.25 | yubimusubi | !coffee yubimusubi |
| 06:53.55 | kyuss | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:54.10 | mhall | kyuss: Tried kpdf? |
| 06:54.11 | Guerin | use pdftotest |
| 06:54.16 | Guerin | text, even |
| 06:54.31 | mhall | Guerin: puts funky control chars in. how do you strip em out easily? |
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| 06:54.47 | mhall | kyuss: one trick, you can use pdftk to cut out extra pages |
| 06:54.47 | Guerin | mhall: if you just need to copy text out, it ain't an issue |
| 06:54.58 | mhall | kyuss: then pdftotext to convert the shortened pdf |
| 06:55.25 | kyuss | its just two pages of text, a programming example |
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| 06:56.05 | mhall | kyuss: ah cool |
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| 06:56.26 | mhall | kyuss: just was gonna say, if it was a typical huge pdf, not much to be gained from converting 100% of it |
| 06:56.34 | kyuss | I have the text on my windows clipboard and am accessing my debian box via vnc |
| 06:56.52 | kyuss | usually I can just paste through vnc using two windows machines |
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| 07:02.21 | Award | Aha, I just figured out the specifics of my issue. |
| 07:03.04 | Award | mhall: I had it backward before...it's not that one drive when connected makes it not boot. It's that when it boots is when there are no drives connected. |
| 07:03.22 | Award | mhall: There was a cable blocking connection of the mobile tray the one drive was in. |
| 07:03.38 | Award | mhall: Thus, when that bay was connected, there was no drive, thus I can boot to CD. |
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| 07:03.49 | infoclog | info on USBMouse required |
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| 07:04.02 | Award | mhall: But when ANY drive is connected to the SATA card, I seem to be unable to boot to CD (it tries to, sees the image, and then never loads it. |
| 07:04.22 | dimir | liable: thanks for the Scottish pizza prank calls link. :-) |
| 07:04.27 | linuxmigration | Award: what happens when you mess with boot order? |
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| 07:05.39 | Award | linuxmigration: I have it set for CDROM, C, A instead of C, CDROM, A. (they're the only two combos with CD. |
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| 07:05.52 | Award | linuxmigration: And the bios itself doesn't care about the sata/scsi card. |
| 07:06.13 | Award | linuxmigration: It's an old Pentium class machine, in case you missed the earlier thread. |
| 07:06.25 | infoclog | !coffee infoclog |
| 07:06.38 | Award | linuxmigration: I stuck the SATA in to have sane drives and not worry about old PIO4 compatibility. |
| 07:06.40 | liable | dimir: :) |
| 07:06.57 | linuxmigration | Award: i did miss the earlier discussion. just wondering: cpu speed? |
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| 07:07.08 | Avochelm | where is networking under rc2.d? i'm trying to make the network start up after kernel modules are loaded |
| 07:07.11 | kyuss | not finding pdf to text in synaptic, would it have a different package name> |
| 07:07.12 | Award | linuxmigration: I also stuck a 3Com managed NIC in there that prevents boot in its own way two...I thought that was unrelated but perhaps ANY addon boot rom causes booting to stop... |
| 07:07.22 | Award | linuxmigration: P75 =) |
| 07:07.27 | Guerin | Award: should all happen in rcS |
| 07:07.31 | Guerin | Avochelm: ^ |
| 07:07.33 | linuxmigration | Award: i have a P90 ;) |
| 07:07.46 | Award | linuxmigration: Tekram P5V30-B4 board |
| 07:07.59 | Award | linuxmigration: :) |
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| 07:08.13 | Avochelm | Guerin, is see. does that all get executed before rc.2 on boot? |
| 07:08.16 | linuxmigration | Award: idk. NEC all one piece (not homebrew) |
| 07:08.21 | Guerin | Avochelm: yeah. |
| 07:08.38 | Award | I'm not sure how a drive connected to the SATA card would block boot, but no drive on the sata card is fine... |
| 07:08.43 | Avochelm | so, I should just move that networking script into rc2.d ? |
| 07:08.58 | Award | linuxmigration: Those were the good old days IMO....or maybe the P233 MMX era... |
| 07:09.04 | Award | But once PII came out, it was all over :) |
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| 07:09.10 | linuxmigration | Award: WTF? |
| 07:09.15 | Award | Cursed ATX....who needs standards? :P |
| 07:09.27 | linuxmigration | not M$ |
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| 07:09.54 | Award | linuxmigration: Who said anything about M$? :) |
| 07:10.06 | linuxmigration | Award: standards |
| 07:10.19 | Award | linuxmigration: I ran Hamm on all my machines of that class :) |
| 07:10.42 | Award | linuxmigration: Imagine a world without apt....only deselect :) |
| 07:10.51 | linuxmigration | hrmm |
| 07:10.56 | linuxmigration | the bot or the tool? |
| 07:10.59 | Award | linuxmigratin: Frankly I'd be thrilled to get my Hamm disc to boot on this 75 again :) |
| 07:11.11 | Award | linuxmigration: the tool. |
| 07:11.19 | linuxmigration | what's hamm? |
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| 07:11.24 | Award | linuxmigration: Apt didn't come out until Potato :) |
| 07:11.54 | Award | !tell linuxmigration about hamm |
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| 07:13.03 | linuxmigration | ahh, i thought hamm might have something to do with ham radios ;) |
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| 07:13.22 | Award | Channel trivia: What was the debian 1.0 name? 1.1 was Buzz...I never followed it before then... |
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| 07:13.29 | g00se | There's a utility to edit X isn't there (apart from dpkg-reconfigure)? Can someone remond me what it is..? |
| 07:13.34 | cydork | !releases |
| 07:13.35 | dpkg | it has been said that releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 07:13.44 | infoclog | !usbmouse |
| 07:13.44 | cydork | Award: ^^ |
| 07:13.44 | dpkg | usbmouse is, like, [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 07:14.05 | linuxmigration | g00se: knoppix ;) |
| 07:14.12 | kyuss | ahem, Evince document viewer has that text to pdf thingy in it |
| 07:14.34 | mhall | !tell g00se about drxx |
| 07:14.46 | ldbl | can anybody help me a little with seting up PHP on debian sarge , i add addhandler and loadmodule and addtype also but it's not working ;( |
| 07:14.49 | mhall | !lart linuxmigration |
| 07:14.51 | g00se | knoppix? Don't get it..; |
| 07:14.59 | mhall | g00se: bad joke; ignore it |
| 07:15.01 | Award | Hmm, can you boot to a SATA CDRom? |
| 07:15.05 | mhall | g00se: drxx is what you want |
| 07:15.09 | g00se | mhall: Thanks - that's the one |
| 07:15.17 | cydork | Award: yes. |
| 07:15.18 | mhall | Award: yes. it's weird though. i had this issue. hold on. |
| 07:15.27 | cydork | Award: etch?? |
| 07:15.39 | mhall | Award: install libata.atapi_enabled=1 |
| 07:15.44 | ldbl | is there something speacial that i must to to have working PHP on debian ? |
| 07:15.52 | linuxmigration | ldbl: you're better off in #apache or #php (try #php first) |
| 07:15.57 | linuxmigration | no |
| 07:15.58 | g00se | mhall: That tell didn't work actually... |
| 07:15.59 | mhall | Award: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/daily-builds/etch_d-i/ |
| 07:16.06 | Guerin | they'll tell him to come back here |
| 07:16.15 | mhall | g00se: oh sometimes it gets broken if you edit manually |
| 07:16.19 | Guerin | php works on debian, provided you're not using sid (and sometimes etch) |
| 07:16.21 | ldbl | linuxmigration that i will try there |
| 07:16.31 | mhall | !tell g00se about xmd5 |
| 07:16.41 | cydork | Guerin: it's working in etch without any problems :P |
| 07:16.44 | joeyjones | could packet loss cause corruption with an ftp file transfer? |
| 07:16.48 | Guerin | cydork: for now :) |
| 07:16.50 | ldbl | but i have problem with debian on other linuxes PHP is working fine |
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| 07:16.52 | Guerin | joeyjones: yes. |
| 07:16.57 | mhall | fuck typed wrong command |
| 07:16.58 | g00se | That tell didn't work either ;-) Never mind |
| 07:17.03 | infoclog | What file system do i have to give to mount a USBmouse |
| 07:17.09 | cydork | ldbl: have you installed libapache2-mod-php5 ?? :P |
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| 07:17.24 | mhall | fuck |
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| 07:17.27 | linuxmigrati|afk | infoclog: a mouse doesn't use a filesystem! |
| 07:17.29 | Award | mhall: That iso can boot from SATA? |
| 07:17.32 | mhall | somehow i got it programmed in my fingers |
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| 07:17.40 | mhall | Award: yeah i think it's got a pretty new kernel |
| 07:17.48 | mhall | Award: if you boot with that option it should work |
| 07:17.49 | Award | mhall: How do you convince the bios to boot from sata CD...there's a more interesting question |
| 07:17.53 | joeyjones | Guerin: doesn't tcp deal with the packet loss? |
| 07:17.58 | mhall | Award: nothing funky actually |
| 07:18.00 | Award | mhall: Or does it just think it's an HD? |
| 07:18.05 | mhall | Award: it should work if your boot order is cool |
| 07:18.20 | mhall | Award: they use same interface as old cdroms, atapi, only bus is a tad different |
| 07:18.33 | infoclog | linuxmigrati|afk : your nick is pretty long |
| 07:18.36 | mhall | Award: apparently though the sata controller chip dudes planned ahead in their drivers |
| 07:18.36 | infoclog | shorten it up. |
| 07:18.45 | mhall | !nickometer linuxmigrati|afk |
| 07:18.47 | dpkg | 'linuxmigrati|afk' is 14.000% lame, mhall |
| 07:18.49 | mhall | ouch |
| 07:18.53 | mhall | infoclog: agreed |
| 07:19.06 | Award | mhall: Hmm, I'm still hesitant to think of if this will solve the problem (I don't have a SATA cd drive, I'd buy one though if I thought it'd work. |
| 07:19.08 | infoclog | mhall: feed me with USB mouse |
| 07:19.19 | mhall | Award: jesus h, man |
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| 07:19.26 | linuxmigrati|afk | infoclog: yeah, i need a new one ;) |
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| 07:19.36 | infoclog | try bumbo |
| 07:19.38 | mhall | Award: i have a dual opteron box with 8 sata ports and 7 sata drives and a sata dvd burner |
| 07:19.46 | Award | mhall: But for a system that old, it knows nothing of the SATA controller, it doesn't show up in boot order or anything. |
| 07:19.50 | mhall | Award: how do you think i'd run the mothafuckah if that did not work |
| 07:19.56 | mhall | Award: save your old drive man |
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| 07:20.30 | Award | mhall: Well I'm having the following compound problem: |
| 07:20.48 | Award | mhall: I can't seem to boot to CD when a SATA drive is plugged in. |
| 07:20.54 | infoclog | linuxmigrati|afk, please tell me, how I can use a USB mouse. it is so complicated. i thot it would have been a hotpluug |
| 07:20.58 | mhall | Award: oh shit, that's you |
| 07:21.05 | mhall | Award: that's a fucked up problem yo |
| 07:21.09 | Award | mhall: I'm only making an assumption that I can boot ok to SATA |
| 07:21.29 | mhall | Award: i think your cheapest fix if it's that old of a box might be a new $50 'quiet cheap pc' mobo |
| 07:21.32 | Kevin` | infoclog using debian etch I had to.. plug in the mouse, and move it.. heh |
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| 07:21.39 | cydork | infoclog: which version of debian are you using? |
| 07:21.41 | mhall | Award: then the sonofabitch should work |
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| 07:21.53 | Award | mhall: And even when I can boot to CD no sata plugged in) sarge CDs won't boot for some reason. Someone suggested it might be the 2.88mb image, but woody had that too and boots fine. |
| 07:21.59 | Award | mhall: hehe |
| 07:22.12 | PumpkinPie | Im starting to like ninja linux |
| 07:22.21 | mhall | Award: let's see you're in philly. big city. should have a local computer store or fifty... |
| 07:22.25 | Award | mhall: I'd be tempted, but I'd prefer getting this one working...it's been here a loong time, and it's a bit of nostalgia getting it up and running again :) |
| 07:22.28 | infoclog | cydork, Kevin, The **** style does not work.. ( moving in and moving out ) |
| 07:22.35 | mhall | Award: so go to geno's and get a fresh cheese |
| 07:22.36 | Award | mhall: It's been a hamm box for a long time until the Conner drive died :) |
| 07:22.38 | PumpkinPie | anyone else ever use ninja linux? |
| 07:22.43 | cydork | infoclog: which version of debian? |
| 07:22.43 | mhall | Award: and go by the computer store |
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| 07:22.55 | cydork | PumpkinPie: off topic :P |
| 07:22.56 | infoclog | cydork, hw to find.. its kernel 2.6 |
| 07:22.58 | mhall | Award: and get yourself a deal on a mobo ;-) |
| 07:23.11 | mhall | Award: you know, nostalgia wise, there is a trick :-) |
| 07:23.20 | cydork | !tell infoclog -about version |
| 07:23.23 | mhall | Award: it's got a floppy drive right |
| 07:23.30 | infoclog | !version |
| 07:23.30 | dpkg | Kernel: uname -r. Debian: cat /etc/debian_version. and: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1. Package: dpkg -l _pkgname_. Miscellaneous: try --version on the command. check /etc/apt/sources.list; run apt-cache policy <packagename> |
| 07:23.32 | Award | mhall: Hehe, yeah, but that likely means an ATX board....so new case, new PSU (of which I just got a new one for this one as the old one messed up TV signals :) |
| 07:23.43 | liable | infoclog: /msg the bot |
| 07:23.47 | Award | mhall: Yeah, I suppose I could still resort to floppy :) |
| 07:23.53 | mhall | Award: dude that's way easier |
| 07:23.55 | Award | mhall: Need a pack of discs...but it could work :) |
| 07:24.03 | mhall | Award: the debian floppy install whips the llama's ass |
| 07:24.12 | mhall | Award: it works every time when everything else is totally fucked |
| 07:24.14 | Award | mhall: Hehe, ohh trust me I know :) |
| 07:24.14 | infoclog | liable: i did it. he told me to things which dint help |
| 07:24.30 | Award | mhall: I've done it on that machine before I knew it COULD boot CD... |
| 07:24.33 | mhall | Award: i think you can do network floppy install or cd floppy install |
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| 07:24.46 | infoclog | cydork, 3.1 |
| 07:24.46 | liable | infoclog: well, doing it in channel is annoying and you get the same answers, so please /msg it |
| 07:24.46 | mhall | Award: cd floppy install is for... boxes who can't boot CDs! |
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| 07:24.53 | Award | mhall: Where are the floppies these days, I can't find them on the site.... |
| 07:25.10 | mhall | Award: good question. let me give you the greatest link God ever created |
| 07:25.14 | cydork | infoclog: do you see anything in lsusb or dmesg? |
| 07:25.14 | Award | mhall: and the rawwrite util, though that's easier to find |
| 07:25.26 | mhall | Award: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 07:25.39 | Guerin | !fgi Award fucking+google+it |
| 07:25.40 | infoclog | cydork, hub.c: new USB device 00:03.1-2, assigned address 2 |
| 07:25.40 | dpkg | Award: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=fucking+google+it |
| 07:25.40 | infoclog | input: USB HID v1.10 Mouse [Microsoft Basic Optical Mouse] on usb1:2.0 |
| 07:25.41 | mhall | Award: have you got a working nix box? |
| 07:25.58 | mhall | Award: just do it with dd |
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| 07:26.14 | Kevin` | or even cat |
| 07:26.19 | mhall | Award: if not, then the aussie who made original rawrite put up a homepage for a slick windows version |
| 07:26.24 | mhall | Kevin`: cp works too apparently |
| 07:26.39 | mhall | Kevin`: it doesn't do anything to the dest before the copy, in true unix style |
| 07:26.42 | yunhual | hi, in a zone file of named |
| 07:26.44 | yunhual | $ORIGIN 1.0.10.in-addr.arpa |
| 07:26.45 | yunhual | $TTL 86400 |
| 07:26.47 | yunhual | @ IN SOA dns1.example.com. hostmaster.example.com. ( |
| 07:26.47 | Kevin` | mhall even if it works, I wouldn't use it, for fear of it overwriting the device file :) |
| 07:26.48 | mhall | Kevin`: so you can cp an image onto fd0. lol! |
| 07:26.48 | yunhual | ......... |
| 07:26.50 | yunhual | what dose the IN stand for ? |
| 07:26.53 | Guerin | yunhual: stop being a fucktard |
| 07:26.54 | cydork | infoclog: then it's detected. so which device are you using for that? |
| 07:27.06 | infoclog | cydork, i thot it was hotpluggable |
| 07:27.08 | Guerin | yunhual: pasting is bad and wrong, and your answer is in the BIND manual |
| 07:27.15 | Award | mhall: That's a good pont (dd) |
| 07:27.15 | mhall | Kevin`: remember though, the meaning of open(...) on block special and character special is different |
| 07:27.16 | cydork | infoclog: it is. |
| 07:27.19 | Kevin` | mhall of course such fears are baseless, since behavior is standardized |
| 07:27.22 | yunhual | Guerin>yunhual: stop being a fucktard |
| 07:27.23 | yunhual | ？？ |
| 07:27.27 | mhall | Kevin`: so if you implement in terms of the C library it works right |
| 07:27.28 | yunhual | 。。。 |
| 07:27.33 | infoclog | cydork, so why not does it ****in move ?? |
| 07:27.49 | cydork | infoclog: cat /dev/input/mice and move the mouse |
| 07:27.54 | Guerin | !fgi yunhual bind+manual |
| 07:27.54 | dpkg | yunhual: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=bind+manual |
| 07:27.59 | mhall | yunhual: dude, let's get the character set right, you're talking in extremely obscure 100 megabyte unicode asian fonts |
| 07:28.08 | Guerin | mhall: hey, I can see them :) |
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| 07:28.10 | mhall | yunhual: please switch to the proper ASCII shit |
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| 07:28.19 | mhall | Guerin: me too. but we're weird. |
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| 07:28.30 | mhall | yunhual: to paraphrase debian russian: |
| 07:28.44 | MarcWeber | Hello. Can you tell me how to get a list of files included in an installed package? |
| 07:28.52 | mhall | yunhual: ISO-8859-1, MOTHERFUCKER! DO YOU SPEAK IT? |
| 07:28.52 | Guerin | mhall: dpkg -L packahename |
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| 07:28.55 | cydork | MarcWeber: dpkg -L packagename |
| 07:29.02 | mhall | !abuse Guerin |
| 07:29.07 | Guerin | cydork: you win on content |
| 07:29.09 | infoclog | cydork, did it.. i saw.. all the junk letters !! but the cursor does not MOVE |
| 07:29.14 | Award | mhall: Even the devel site doesn't have the floppies...I'm getting the impression there's no such thing for sarge, and finding them for woody will be a challenge :) |
| 07:29.21 | mhall | Award: there *ARE* |
| 07:29.29 | Guerin | Award: there truly are. |
| 07:29.32 | Kevin` | i've used them, they exist |
| 07:29.35 | cydork | infoclog: that means it works now use that device for dpkg-reconfigure |
| 07:29.42 | Kevin` | weren't too hard to find either |
| 07:29.44 | possie | i've got a system who just rebooted, however i can't see anything in the logfiles, anyone that might have a clue how to analyse these things? |
| 07:29.45 | Guerin | I copied over mine with obds floppies |
| 07:29.49 | Guerin | but they DID work! |
| 07:29.49 | cydork | mhall: too much coffee?? :P |
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| 07:30.35 | Kevin` | does debian have 720kb floppy images? |
| 07:30.40 | cydork | !tell Award about floppy |
| 07:30.58 | Award | found it: /debian/dists/sarge/main/installer-i386/current/images/floppy |
| 07:31.07 | mhall | Award: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/installer-i386/beta3/images/floppy/ |
| 07:31.17 | mhall | cydork: read topic of #debian-russian |
| 07:31.24 | Award | hehe or we all found it....but the credit goes to cydork first I suppose |
| 07:31.25 | infoclog | cydork, Package `/dev/input/mice' is not installed and no info is available. |
| 07:31.55 | infoclog | cydork, i used the command, dpkg-reconfigure /dev/input/mice |
| 07:31.55 | mhall | Award: depends on if the version you find affects your credit; i had to dig |
| 07:31.58 | cydork | infoclog: you are supposed to dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:32.07 | mhall | infoclog: dude, the mouse device is not a package |
| 07:32.16 | mhall | infoclog: dpkg works on packages |
| 07:32.17 | cydork | infoclog: and the use that device when it asks for mouse device :) |
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| 07:32.55 | infoclog | cydork, man..is there any channel for newbies ? am sorry |
| 07:33.03 | mhall | infoclog: be chill |
| 07:33.19 | mhall | infoclog: just think and read manuals and google, that's all we ask |
| 07:33.23 | cydork | infoclog: nope this is the only real channel :P |
| 07:33.37 | mhall | infoclog: the problem with n00b channels is, only n00bs use them |
| 07:33.42 | cydork | infoclog: and remember i didn't say official ;) |
| 07:33.49 | mhall | infoclog: so they don't work very well. no ops and no gurus. :-) |
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| 07:34.22 | cydork | mhall: hehe that's why ubuntu people come here, crying they dont know :P |
| 07:35.19 | mhall | cydork: yeah |
| 07:35.28 | mhall | cydork: and it's also why i don't give a shit about them |
| 07:35.44 | cydork | mhall: i dont think anyone does ;) |
| 07:35.45 | mhall | cydork: that's what you get for not caring about the open source community and only about yourself |
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| 07:36.07 | mhall | cydork: just because many things are capitalist in the world does not mean all things are or even should be |
| 07:36.28 | cydork | mhall: hehe |
| 07:36.41 | Award | mhall: Actually I'm been meaning to give ubuntu a try sometime soon...sounds pretty nifty...debian for a backend, but a bit more "clean" for a desktop environment (I swear for my debian desktop boxes I spend more time maintaining them then using them =) ) |
| 07:36.55 | cydork | !smack Award |
| 07:37.23 | Award | mhall: And for those of us stuck on dialup, maintaining sid is quite painful...I usually end up with a stovepipe after a year or two that can't be maintained, and just end up buying a new machine :) |
| 07:37.23 | infoclog | cydork, mhall , well.. i will have to say. u guys Chill.. dnt try to make me so comfortable.. ooo.. cat in a fur basket |
| 07:38.07 | mhall | infoclog: i can make you very uncomfortable if you want |
| 07:38.12 | mhall | !tell infoclog about u |
| 07:38.32 | Award | mhall: This box for example, I have a functioning sid...but due to lack up updates/upgrades ran into the sarge merge error that I have to bring it up to sarge before going to sid again...so now it has parts of sarge, parts of woody, parts of sid...I'd spend months manually patching libs just to keep it all stable :) |
| 07:38.44 | mhall | Award: i've used kubuntu on a couple of 'i use it for business boxes' |
| 07:38.53 | mhall | Award: works pretty good when you just want the basics ASAP |
| 07:38.54 | infoclog | mhall, i cant be more.. the mouse still does not move. |
| 07:38.57 | Award | mhall: With ubuntu it would be a simple upgrade, and I still keep most of what I love about debian in the backend :) |
| 07:39.14 | mhall | Award: plus since you know deb already it's pretty trivial to fix the issues |
| 07:39.25 | cydork | !tell Award about bobbit |
| 07:39.30 | mhall | Award: not as many things can go wrong if you use the stock ubuntu stuff |
| 07:39.34 | infoclog | cydork, i pointed the mouse to /dev/input/mice in reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 07:39.51 | cydork | infoclog: now restart X and check if it works. |
| 07:40.13 | mhall | cydork: two t's |
| 07:40.13 | mhall | cydork: good factoid |
| 07:40.20 | cydork | mhall: ya i was thinking .. :P |
| 07:40.24 | cydork | !tell Award about bobbitt |
| 07:40.25 | g00se | mhall: You know i've never understood that bit about xmd5: |
| 07:40.29 | g00se | >>then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 07:40.31 | Award | mhall: Yeah. For servers, ubuntu is a joke, for desktops with broadband that can afford to just cron a dist-upgrade every few days it's ok...but if not... |
| 07:40.33 | mhall | cydork: not an obvious bit to spell |
| 07:40.43 | mhall | g00se: thing is with X conf files you have two choices |
| 07:40.47 | g00se | You'd want to *keep* them ... |
| 07:40.48 | mhall | Award: they have ubuntu server now |
| 07:40.52 | mhall | Award: it's a bit better |
| 07:41.01 | Award | mhall: a dist-upgrade would be about 12gig for me on dialup...something best left avoided :) |
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| 07:41.01 | mhall | g00se: your choice is to manage with debian or to manage yourself |
| 07:41.10 | mhall | g00se: xmd5 is when you don't want to manage yourself |
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| 07:41.26 | mhall | Award: how much motherfucking crap have you got installed on the box. zomgwtfbbq!!!!!!!!!!1 |
| 07:41.41 | cydork | Award: 12 gig?? wtf? |
| 07:41.42 | mhall | Award: that's more than a whole install of kubuntu with all the toys |
| 07:41.46 | g00se | Ah. So i need to be brave and burn my bridges ..;-) |
| 07:41.49 | Award | mhall: hehe :) Honestly I don't know...it just seems to grow and grow :) |
| 07:41.57 | mhall | Award: you'd have to install a shitload of goofy shit on there for that |
| 07:42.08 | mhall | Award: that'd be like a quarter million files in dpkg |
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| 07:42.22 | mhall | and it'd take forever for apt-get dpkg and aptitude to load the goddamn status db |
| 07:42.26 | mhall | FOREVER |
| 07:42.34 | mhall | even on my Dual Opteron workstation |
| 07:42.42 | Award | mhall: Err, actually about 4-5gig...I forgot I had an apt-cache backup sitting in the path |
| 07:42.44 | mhall | motherfucking motherfucker. that's nutes. |
| 07:42.48 | Award | mhall: Still rather painful :) |
| 07:42.48 | mhall | !stab Award |
| 07:42.52 | Award | mhall: :) |
| 07:43.03 | mhall | g00se: not quite |
| 07:43.09 | mhall | g00se: you can always back that file up |
| 07:43.15 | mhall | g00se: it's just the one text file |
| 07:43.28 | mhall | g00se: then if the drxx you do after xmd5 does not work, you copy it back |
| 07:43.31 | mhall | g00se: easy enough |
| 07:43.50 | Award | mhall: Well, half the time with the download speeds just updating firefox, thunderbird, and the required libs is about a 3 hour download :) |
| 07:43.55 | mhall | g00se: what i often do, is if it breaks, i back mine up, then drxx it, and put my changes in the new drxx file |
| 07:44.04 | mhall | Award: yeah, that's effin dialup |
| 07:44.15 | g00se | Thanks. True. The reason: i've just installed vnc and x needs to load vnc.so to work with :0 |
| 07:44.16 | mhall | Award: can't you haul the little bastard somewhere and do it |
| 07:44.24 | mhall | Award: like one of the many libraries or universities |
| 07:44.31 | Award | mhall: I may give broadband a shot if I ever get that darn P75 up...it's intended to be the firewall :) |
| 07:44.44 | mhall | Award: dude. floppies. now. |
| 07:44.53 | Award | mhall: LOL |
| 07:45.17 | mhall | Award: you only need *one* working floppy |
| 07:45.26 | mhall | Award: then you copy the shit over the top of itself as you boot |
| 07:45.34 | g00se | But it wasn't there as an option with drxx. Perhaps if i were to restart X..? |
| 07:45.35 | mhall | Award: i got a SPARC running with that method |
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| 07:45.58 | Award | mhall: The problem is, this box, and all those that came before it is it's beyond upgradability....most packages installed on here are 3 years old :) |
| 07:46.08 | mhall | g00se: yeah. not a big issue. |
| 07:46.11 | Award | mhall: This box still thinks woody is EXPERIMENTAL :) |
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| 07:46.18 | mhall | g00se: just drxx the file, and add vnc.so to modules section |
| 07:46.23 | mhall | g00se: then put so in the right dir |
| 07:46.27 | mhall | g00se: should work ok |
| 07:46.31 | Award | mhall: SO it works for now. |
| 07:46.35 | infoclog | cydork, restarting X server works |
| 07:46.41 | mhall | Award: dude back the sonofabitch up and reinstall before it craters |
| 07:46.58 | Award | mhall: And with some manual touchups, it works, but for how long... |
| 07:47.02 | cydork | infoclog: yay! good for you :) |
| 07:47.23 | mhall | Award: you're seriously gonna fuck yourself, lose lots of data, and lots of conf files |
| 07:47.26 | infoclog | cydork, ye !! the only thing is I lost all the open programs.. which were a lot.. Grrr |
| 07:47.37 | Award | mhall: Oh it's backed up |
| 07:47.53 | cydork | infoclog: hehe |
| 07:47.54 | g00se | Yeah. vnc.so is already in the right dir actually. It's just that drxx hasn't picked it up. I'll restart X and see what happens when i try drxx again |
| 07:48.06 | Award | mhall: I've actually been booting rarely to linux on thix box just out of the need for windows dev tools frequently |
| 07:48.10 | mhall | g00se: drxx, i think, only does stock modules |
| 07:48.18 | mhall | g00se: you may need to edit the conf file yourself on this one |
| 07:48.27 | infoclog | cydork, that means.i cant use two mouses at the same time.. becuase, now my PS2 doesnt work |
| 07:48.34 | mhall | Award: dude. fix it. |
| 07:48.49 | cydork | infoclog: it can work but you have to configure them :) |
| 07:48.52 | mhall | Award: i can't bear to hear the story any longer. |
| 07:49.06 | mhall | Award: it's about to make my brain throw a fatal exception |
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| 07:49.22 | g00se | Ah. I'll try it anyway first and see if it picks it up |
| 07:49.25 | cydork | mhall: brainfart :P |
| 07:49.28 | Award | mhall: I miss it, but with how kludged the box is I figure when Vista comes out, I'll either be getting a whole new system (I've maxed out AGP, and need a PCI-E board now :( ), or just get a new pair of HDs (as these will probably be dying soon anyway...they're 3 years old), and do clean installs of vista/debian or vista/ubuntu |
| 07:49.42 | Award | mhall: haha |
| 07:49.46 | mhall | i can't handle it |
| 07:49.48 | infoclog | cydork, well.. when i reconfiured xserver.. it asked me all the questions which were pertaining to monitor and keyboard.. ! is htere no way to just reach at the point |
| 07:49.50 | mhall | it's too bizarre |
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| 07:50.09 | infoclog | like reconfigure xmouse! |
| 07:50.12 | mhall | cydork: brain diarrhea |
| 07:50.28 | mhall | infoclog: no there is not |
| 07:50.33 | mhall | infoclog: it caches the old answers |
| 07:50.35 | mhall | infoclog: toughen up |
| 07:50.57 | cydork | infoclog: for 2 mouse that methode wont work, you have to edit the file for that i am afraid :P |
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| 07:51.08 | Award | mhall: That's the sucky thing about being a dev is you need to run the experimental junk all the time...especially in the windows world...vista...as much fun as aeroglass sounds, I'll leave radial menus for Neverwinter Nights........in Linux..... :) |
| 07:51.20 | infoclog | mhall : thats soothing... i dint really rem..the synch width of my monitor which i configured.. some months back |
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| 07:52.49 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:52.49 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:53.01 | liable | yum |
| 07:53.44 | SkareCrow | is it possible to make a certain user, or any user at that, run something when they connect |
| 07:54.04 | cydork | SkareCrow: yes :) |
| 07:54.09 | SkareCrow | i have an account named "logs" that i want to run "tail -f access.log error.log" when they connect |
| 07:54.37 | cydork | !tell SkareCrow -about dotfiles |
| 07:54.42 | SkareCrow | thanks |
| 07:54.45 | mhall | infoclog: worse to worse one of us can grab it from the webspecs since we have working X |
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| 07:55.49 | mhall | SkareCrow: there is a more direct way to get syslog to output continuously to a console VT |
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| 07:56.46 | SkareCrow | is it better? |
| 07:57.10 | herbi | hi guys |
| 07:57.28 | teledyn_ | wow yes |
| 07:57.31 | herbi | i would like to be able to use rsync to backup my important files/music/pictures onto a removable usb disk once a week |
| 07:57.40 | herbi | anyone know any good tools to do this? |
| 07:57.46 | herbi | or maybe rsync is the wrong program? |
| 07:57.55 | teledyn_ | herbi: use rsync |
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| 07:58.19 | herbi | teledyn, any links on how to set up/use rsync? |
| 07:58.28 | herbi | in this manner i mean |
| 07:58.28 | teledyn_ | herbi: or else use a backup program |
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| 07:59.04 | teledyn_ | herbi: its pretty basic, similar to scp |
| 07:59.11 | teledyn_ | man rsync |
| 07:59.19 | teledyn_ | or use a backup app if you want to do something fancier |
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| 07:59.49 | liable | rsync -r user@foo:/music/file/dir /usb/mounted/dir |
| 08:00.03 | saintiss | hi all |
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| 08:00.11 | saintiss | which init script is responsible for mounting nfs fs's ? |
| 08:00.24 | saintiss | mountall doesn't do it, nor does mountnfs |
| 08:00.38 | karsten | saintiss: That would tend to be mountall, if they're specified auto, no? |
| 08:00.42 | herbi | liable, oh ok, can i do that without setting up rsyncd? or is it required |
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| 08:00.50 | karsten | saintiss: Possibly autofs if you're using it. |
| 08:01.14 | lord_rob | Hi ! I think libnss-mdns is needed in order telnet, whois, apt-get to work correctly. However I can uninstall this lib in aptitude, without being warned apout breaking dependancies. Isn't it a grave bug ? |
| 08:01.15 | liable | herbi: no need for rsyncd, but you do need ssh running (rsync as a protocol isnt considered very safe) |
| 08:01.27 | karsten | saintiss: Or, maybe, just, at the remotest realm of possibility, mountnfs.sh ? |
| 08:01.36 | saintiss | karsten, no |
| 08:01.36 | herbi | liable, its on the local computer |
| 08:01.37 | herbi | im saying |
| 08:01.52 | teledyn_ | liable: i doubt if he's backing up to a usb storage device that security is an issue |
| 08:01.54 | saintiss | karsten, mountnfs only *waits* for nfs's until they are mounted, but does not initiate the mount |
| 08:01.57 | herbi | backup locally onto the usb disk lol, but want to use a 'sync' type program so it doesnt copy the same thing if it doesnt have to |
| 08:02.01 | saintiss | karsten, mountall excludes remote fs's |
| 08:02.01 | karsten | saintiss: Hrm. Boot single user, run the init scripts manually, note when your NFS mounts are mounted. |
| 08:02.03 | saintiss | I don't use autofs |
| 08:02.11 | saintiss | karsten, I've been trying that |
| 08:02.15 | saintiss | they aren't mounted |
| 08:02.19 | liable | herbi: oh, just rsyn -f /foo/dir /bar/dir |
| 08:02.21 | saintiss | by any script at all |
| 08:02.24 | saintiss | but they used to be |
| 08:02.24 | liable | errr, -r |
| 08:02.33 | infoclog | mhall: translate please |
| 08:02.46 | karsten | saintiss: The other options might be nfs-common (though I think that's server side), or networking. |
| 08:02.50 | liable | herbi: have a read of man rsync, it has a good man page |
| 08:02.50 | mad_muppet | I have tried to set a background in blackbox using bsetbg path_to_image/image.jpg and get an error called couldnt find a suitable image program .. |
| 08:02.54 | saintiss | karsten, tried them |
| 08:03.53 | karsten | saintiss: mountnfs.sh |
| 08:03.57 | herbi | liable, ta :) |
| 08:04.03 | karsten | saintiss: # Description: |
| 08:04.29 | karsten | saintiss: Network file systems are mounted by etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs in the background etc/network/if-up.d/mountnfs in the background when interfaces are brought up; this script waits for them to be mounted before carrying on. |
| 08:04.32 | saintiss | aha |
| 08:04.40 | saintiss | interesting... so something goes wrong there then |
| 08:04.41 | saintiss | thanks |
| 08:04.41 | karsten | saintiss: Work for you? |
| 08:04.57 | lord_rob | btw thanks a lot for yesterday karsten, reinstalling libnss-mdns fixed all my problems |
| 08:05.00 | karsten | saintiss: NP. |
| 08:05.16 | karsten | saintiss: FYI: less $( grep -l nfs * ) |
| 08:05.23 | karsten | saintiss: ... and then search for nfs in text. |
| 08:05.49 | karsten | saintiss: 'grep -C4 -i nfs *' should also have turned up that hint. |
| 08:06.06 | saintiss | hmm, running that mountnfs script doesn't mount the fs's... so there's a problem with it |
| 08:06.22 | SkareCrow | cydork: is it possible to have them run "tail -f /path/to/access.log" but not do anything else. so say they exited vim then tehy would be disconnected or something |
| 08:06.23 | karsten | saintiss: Yeah, that's where I'd focus. 'bash -x' is your friend. |
| 08:06.45 | karsten | saintiss: execut script, show commands as executed. ID the specific problem command(s). |
| 08:06.53 | karsten | saintiss: Does this error out or hang? |
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| 08:07.31 | cydork | SkareCrow: yes it's possible. |
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| 08:07.45 | SkareCrow | lol whoops |
| 08:07.46 | saintiss | saintiss, it exits immediately without error... let me bash -x |
| 08:07.54 | SkareCrow | i typed "exec ls" and i got disconnected |
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| 08:08.57 | saintiss | karsten, it doesn't seem to enter the do_start function |
| 08:09.01 | karsten | SkareCrow: that runs 'ls', finishes, and terminates the process (including your shell). |
| 08:09.16 | SkareCrow | nice |
| 08:09.18 | SkareCrow | lol |
| 08:09.27 | saintiss | mkdir /var/run/network/mountnfs 2>/dev/null || exit 0 |
| 08:09.32 | saintiss | karsten, it exits there... |
| 08:09.40 | SkareCrow | so if i did "exec tail -f /path/to/access.log" |
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| 08:09.51 | karsten | saintiss: The two prior commands attempt to create /var/run/network/mountnfs/ |
| 08:10.00 | SkareCrow | if they closed the tail it would disconnect them |
| 08:10.07 | saintiss | karsten, I know.. and it existed already |
| 08:10.09 | karsten | saintiss: Does /var/run/network/mountnfs/ exist? If so, delete it. |
| 08:10.10 | saintiss | I removed the dir |
| 08:10.13 | saintiss | and now it works |
| 08:10.16 | karsten | saintiss: If /var/run/network doesn't exist... |
| 08:10.17 | karsten | OK. |
| 08:10.20 | karsten | You're golden. |
| 08:10.48 | saintiss | karsten, thanks... the question is, isn't it supposed to be deleted by another script? |
| 08:10.50 | karsten | saintiss: Apparently a broken shutdown, you might want to think if you had any panics or unclean reboots recently. |
| 08:10.51 | SkareCrow | HAHAHA |
| 08:10.53 | SkareCrow | thats tight ;) |
| 08:10.53 | SkareCrow | woot |
| 08:10.58 | karsten | saintiss: It probably should be ;-) |
| 08:10.59 | SkareCrow | this .bash_profile is tight |
| 08:10.59 | possie | i've got a system who just rebooted, however i can't see anything in the logfiles, anyone that might have a clue how to analyse these things? |
| 08:11.16 | saintiss | karsten, ah, even by the same script apparently :) |
| 08:11.24 | cydork | possie: power failure :P |
| 08:11.29 | karsten | saintiss: bootclean IIRC. |
| 08:11.32 | karsten | saintiss: No. |
| 08:11.41 | karsten | saintiss: At boot all /var/run entries should be cleared. |
| 08:11.51 | possie | cydork, well i've look at that, but i'm certain that there was no powerfailure |
| 08:12.00 | saintiss | ic... |
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| 08:12.56 | karsten | saintiss: Might want to check if you should file a bug against bootmisc.sh's package. Feh. |
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| 08:13.18 | saintiss | karsten, running bootclean doesn't seem to clean /var/run, even though it echo's it did |
| 08:13.26 | karsten | saintiss: ... which I'm having trouble IDing. Hrm.... |
| 08:13.32 | karsten | saintiss: Run that with bash -x as well. |
| 08:13.42 | karsten | saintiss: initscripts == package for bootmisc.sh |
| 08:14.09 | karsten | saintiss: find . ! -xtype d ! -name utmp ! -name innd.pid -print0 | xargs -0r rm -f -- |
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| 08:14.25 | karsten | saintiss: ... is what bootmisc.sh runs. So it won't get any subdirs. Which NFS uses. |
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| 08:14.43 | karsten | saintiss: I'd file the bug against your NFS package. Client-side stuff. |
| 08:14.47 | ma3x | what's the difference between 16:9 and 4:3? |
| 08:14.56 | saintiss | karsten, ic... so it isn't supposed to clear /var/run completely? |
| 08:15.01 | karsten | ma3x: 12:6 |
| 08:15.14 | saintiss | karsten, well, tbh, there IS an rmdir command in mountnfs which removes the dir |
| 08:15.16 | karsten | saintiss: No, there's some stuff you need there. |
| 08:15.21 | ma3x | karsten: I mean in the screen |
| 08:15.26 | saintiss | so I'm not sure it's actually a bug |
| 08:15.32 | ma3x | which one is widescreen? |
| 08:15.36 | karsten | ma3x: I suspect those are aspect ratios. |
| 08:15.57 | karsten | ma3x: Do the math. Bigger ratio is widescreen. |
| 08:15.58 | ma3x | karsten: so what does 16:9 look like |
| 08:16.20 | ma3x | karsten: what's used in europe? |
| 08:16.28 | karsten | ma3x: vertical bar, open left-handed spiral, couple of dots, open inverted right-handed spiral. |
| 08:16.34 | karsten | ma3x: FIIK |
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| 08:16.56 | saintiss | I'll reboot first, because I think everything just works now |
| 08:16.59 | saintiss | thanks for the help, karsten |
| 08:17.05 | karsten | saintiss: NP. |
| 08:18.15 | ma3x | karsten: so what does make sense? to have 16:9, 4:3 or 16:10 monitor? |
| 08:19.05 | ma3x | ok nevermind |
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| 08:21.22 | mhall | Hmm I think I just corrupted something on my FS. What file do I touch to force a fsck on boot? |
| 08:21.31 | mhall | !tell me about nvidia one-liner |
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| 08:23.08 | cydork | !tell mhall about msg the bot |
| 08:24.57 | tarzeau | why would /dev/pts/* be differen on different machines? |
| 08:25.05 | mhall | tarzeau: UNIX98 PTYs |
| 08:25.15 | tarzeau | one has just one file called 0, the others many more, like 62 |
| 08:25.57 | tarzeau | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y |
| 08:25.57 | tarzeau | CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 |
| 08:25.58 | enouf | mhall: touch /forcefsck |
| 08:26.04 | tarzeau | they all got this in the kernel config file |
| 08:26.14 | tarzeau | and they dynamically generated? |
| 08:26.16 | cydork | tarzeau: how many people are logged ? |
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| 08:26.41 | tarzeau | cydork: now that's where we get further. how can i check? w doesn't act the same always |
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| 08:26.54 | tarzeau | cydork: the one with just 0 has two, one remote, one local (wdm) |
| 08:27.03 | tarzeau | the other has just one (wdm) |
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| 08:27.58 | cydork | tarzeau: on this machine there are 7 users in who, 6 using pts and one x so there are 6 files in /dev/pts |
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| 08:29.38 | tarzeau | what does the star mean in finger output like this: sengun Guerkan Senguen *:0 Oct 12 10:53 |
| 08:29.43 | tarzeau | the * before :0 |
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| 08:30.05 | tarzeau | cydork: wait the other machine has 62 /dev/pts files... and there's NOT that many pts open, or? |
| 08:30.13 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 08:30.52 | cydork | tarzeau: sorry on phone brb.. |
| 08:33.18 | cydork | tarzeau: that's bit weird.. |
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| 08:54.20 | etch-wannabe | any ideas why I can't switch to virtual terminals using the Ctrl+Alt+Fn key combination? I have already checked the Gnome Center, and the xorg.conf for any related options and still have no luck... any ideas? |
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| 08:55.58 | etch-wannabe | ok... fixed that one - there was a weird setting at the /etc/inittab |
| 08:56.15 | etch-wannabe | any ideas why msttcorefonts package won't come from sourceforge mirrors? |
| 08:56.28 | tarzeau | etch-wannabe: tried all mirrors? |
| 08:56.50 | etch-wannabe | tarzeau: I don't get to select mirrors - I let aptitude do all the failing work |
| 08:57.07 | enouf | tarzeau: I've got a gazillion pty in /dev .. pty[a0-ef]+[p0-zf] , then tty0-63, then tty[a0-ef]+[p0-zf] .. all belonging to user tty - then there's teh 4 'dialup' ttyS0-3 |
| 08:57.27 | etch-wannabe | here's the output of this --> http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/8xtasv65.html |
| 08:57.40 | tarzeau | enouf: i mean /dev/pts/* |
| 08:57.41 | cydork | enouf: we are talking about files in /dev/pts/* |
| 08:57.52 | tarzeau | etch-wannabe: huh? mirrors? sourceforge??? |
| 08:58.06 | enouf | ok .. lemme see |
| 08:58.08 | tarzeau | etch-wannabe: msttcorefonts are non-free |
| 08:58.15 | tarzeau | etch-wannabe: and they are on debian mirrors |
| 08:58.19 | etch-wannabe | I have added contrib to the repositories too |
| 08:58.30 | tarzeau | etch-wannabe: there's enough other fonts that you can use instead (which are free) |
| 08:58.31 | Guerin | they're not actually ON the mirrors |
| 08:58.35 | Guerin | they're on sourceforge |
| 08:58.37 | etch-wannabe | I also have downloaded the deb file and tried to install it with dpkg -i but with no luck |
| 08:58.42 | tarzeau | Guerin: ah the download script |
| 08:58.46 | Guerin | t5he script to get them is on the mirrors |
| 08:58.47 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:59.05 | etch-wannabe | tarzeau: they are NOT non-free they are contrib |
| 08:59.07 | tarzeau | Guerin: there's enough other software that debian distributes which is not free with non-free and contrib |
| 08:59.14 | Guerin | yeah, true |
| 08:59.22 | tarzeau | Guerin: i'd rather see those packages split away to debian.net or something |
| 08:59.28 | Guerin | i still think it's a pity that resolution got voted down |
| 08:59.36 | tarzeau | etch-wannabe: still they are not free, as in main |
| 08:59.37 | Guerin | !beer tarzeau |
| 08:59.48 | tarzeau | Guerin: same here. i'd like closer work with gnu.org |
| 08:59.57 | liable | which resolution? the non-free firmware thing |
| 08:59.59 | enouf | tarzeau: cydork : 4 total .. 0-3 , all are user=tty, group=loggeduser(me) |
| 09:00.03 | Guerin | would you believe I'm *required* to use times new roman for universtiy? |
| 09:00.11 | etch-wannabe | tarzeau: do we have to argue on the differences of the non-free and contrib repositories? |
| 09:00.18 | Guerin | etch-wannabe: yes. |
| 09:00.21 | tarzeau | Guerin: it must be the one in msttcorefonts? |
| 09:00.26 | Guerin | tarzeau: it is. |
| 09:00.27 | tarzeau | Guerin: strange university |
| 09:00.39 | liable | tarzeau: strange country.. |
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| 09:00.58 | Guerin | tarzeau: it's along the lines of 'one side of one a4 page, times new roman 12 point' |
| 09:01.13 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's hilarious www.ethz.ch bought a horrible font (non fixed with numbers, and no bold) that the ci/cd department decided and nobody uses it because it's a horrible uncomplete font |
| 09:01.19 | tarzeau | Guerin: and un-usable for LaTeX |
| 09:01.24 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:01.30 | cydork | etch-wannabe: you can use this one http://kent.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/corefonts/andale32.exe |
| 09:01.34 | FarrisG | So how exactly do people do bios updates these days if they have neither a floppy drive nor a copy/tolerance of windows? |
| 09:01.45 | Guerin | tarzeau: that url looks like a network haxx0r site |
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| 09:01.49 | tarzeau | Guerin: it's simply, what the people don't use, means the ci/cd guys failed badly |
| 09:01.59 | FarrisG | I can't find a customizable boot cd that my damn asus/opteron will boot |
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| 09:02.05 | tarzeau | Guerin: i love the simple look of www.mit.edu |
| 09:02.13 | liable | FarrisG: amazingly, lenovo are now supplying bootable bios iso's. hopefully it will catch on |
| 09:02.14 | tarzeau | Guerin: the www.ethz.ch css is a horrible messy crap |
| 09:02.17 | wols_ | FarrisG: bootable CD. FreeDOS |
| 09:02.24 | tarzeau | Guerin: nobody can simply use it on their own webpages/webservers |
| 09:02.25 | Guerin | tarzeau: very |
| 09:02.28 | etch-wannabe | /msg dpkg msttcorefonts |
| 09:02.32 | Guerin | mine is www.vuw.ac.nz |
| 09:02.52 | Guerin | try it without the www for an idea of how techno[phobic it is |
| 09:03.04 | tarzeau | Guerin: that's why we have horribly hilarious looking funny , pre 95 webpage looks like: http://www.phys.ethz.ch/~juerg/ |
| 09:03.24 | FarrisG | wols_: Do you know of anybody besides the "bart" feller who develops bootable FreeDOD images you can add your own files to easily? I'm having a tough time with FreeDOS's docs. |
| 09:03.41 | Guerin | that man has a Beard. |
| 09:03.46 | tarzeau | FarrisG: network boot? |
| 09:03.56 | tarzeau | FarrisG: well it's not exactly a bios, on my sparc computers |
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| 09:04.39 | Guerin | aka the 'Rupert Murdoch Effect' |
| 09:04.54 | tarzeau | Guerin: i find headlines (font, kerning) at www.gnome.org a nightmare |
| 09:05.49 | tarzeau | Guerin: but then i find www.debian.org horrible too |
| 09:05.49 | enouf | FarrisG: try ultimatebootcd.com |
| 09:05.49 | liable | Guerin: read 'hidden agandas' ?? |
| 09:05.50 | Guerin | tarzeau: i just force firefox to use bitstream vera sans for everything and be happy |
| 09:05.51 | Guerin | liable: yes and no |
| 09:05.51 | liable | eh, agendas.. |
| 09:06.01 | Guerin | liable: mostly it's just about lack of diversity |
| 09:06.10 | tarzeau | Guerin: i prefer the dejavu ones |
| 09:06.12 | Guerin | vanillaisation, etc. |
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| 09:06.17 | enouf | Guerin: got a link concerning that "resolution' that was not adopted? |
| 09:06.21 | tarzeau | Guerin: tried ttf-gentium, ttf-junicode yet? |
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| 09:07.21 | liable | Guerin: hrm, its been 8 or so years, but i thought it covered a bit more than that |
| 09:07.56 | Guerin | enouf: http://www.debian.org/vote/2004/vote_002 |
| 09:08.04 | enouf | Guerin: thanks |
| 09:08.17 | Guerin | liable: yeah, it's not specifically about murdoch ... but about the same principles |
| 09:08.23 | Guerin | tarzeau: haven't |
| 09:08.28 | enouf | liable: lenovo bootable bioses? .. you trust them? |
| 09:08.50 | sanmarcos | I have a normal apache directory listing, how can I wget all the files listed? |
| 09:08.53 | liable | enouf: well, ibm actually. and why wouldnt i if i use there product? |
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| 09:09.06 | enouf | Guerin: 2004? .. I wasn't even born yet .. ugh |
| 09:09.28 | liable | you type well for an infant |
| 09:09.36 | Guerin | enouf: durn kiddiwinkies nowadays, hrumph |
| 09:09.47 | enouf | liable: I know lenovo is their laptop division .. or whatever |
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| 09:10.14 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 09:10.14 | dpkg | it has been said that qotd114 is <troubl1> how do i know if a desktop install with my install of debian ??? <abrotman> troubl1: what is your native language? <troubl1> its supposed to be english lol |
| 09:10.21 | enouf | liable: Guerin thank you for the kind words .. Im actually olderr than dirt |
| 09:10.23 | liable | enouf: ibm still make the bioses (for the record, well i am led to believe..) |
| 09:10.50 | enouf | liable: I'd be very suspicious as time goes on and we enter into EFI |
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| 09:11.37 | liable | enouf: i dont understand your point, whats the difference between a floppy image an iso? |
| 09:12.00 | deadcat | liable: how do i run compiz by itself? or even with gnome-core? its working. but the border is gone when i run compiz |
| 09:12.03 | enouf | liable: there should be none .. as you can always view the content of each |
| 09:12.20 | enouf | liable: a bootable iso CD you mean then |
| 09:12.22 | enouf | ? |
| 09:12.25 | liable | yes |
| 09:12.44 | liable | deadcat: start compiz from a term and see if it spews any errors |
| 09:13.01 | enouf | liable: well .. i thought the other guy didn't have either a cdrom drive nor a floppy drive |
| 09:13.06 | liable | deadcat: ie start compiz with --replace <your wm> |
| 09:13.08 | enouf | +n |
| 09:13.24 | deadcat | liable: ohhhhh i thought i have to type --replace gconf |
| 09:13.32 | liable | enouf: oh, i dunno, i must have missed that bit, i thought he just didnt have windows |
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| 09:13.39 | deadcat | liable: let me try gnome again (= |
| 09:13.49 | enouf | liable: ahhh .. you may be correct |
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| 09:13.53 | ma3x | why do I get mounted /lib/init/rw upon boot? |
| 09:14.17 | liable | deadcat: actually, ya, it is gconf, sec lemme check |
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| 09:14.44 | enouf | liable: actually Bootable ISO CDs have been around for a while .. but you have to make them yourself from the floppy image |
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| 09:15.00 | enouf | liable: iFlash |
| 09:15.42 | liable | enouf: ok |
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| 09:16.35 | liable | deadcat: ya, should be kill <wm> --replace gconf |
| 09:16.35 | liable | blah blah |
| 09:16.35 | enouf | liable: yes .. ths site is using nero , but you get the idea http://www.bay-wolf.com/bootcd.htm |
| 09:17.15 | liable | enouf: the point i was making, is they are there for you. a bootable iso, you just burn and boot, os independant |
| 09:17.19 | deadcat | liable: ya. i did killed metacity. then compiz.real --use-cow --replace gconf, but the borners of the windows wont show anymore |
| 09:18.00 | liable | deadcat: only time i had that was when there was driver issues, and compiz would normally tell you if you started it from a term |
| 09:18.17 | liable | deadcat: start compiz manually, not from compiz.real |
| 09:18.20 | enouf | liable: see the site .. simple enough .. you could use k3b or whatever .. my point has to do with the nonsense that gets "snuck in" when they sell it as a "feature" |
| 09:18.28 | deadcat | liable: ok.. compiz --replace gconf right? |
| 09:18.50 | liable | http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX#Running_compiz |
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| 09:19.03 | enouf | liable: just like every OEM and/or MS or AOL update anyone has ever received |
| 09:19.20 | liable | deadcat: see the two start scripts, just change to suit, and run in a term |
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| 09:20.47 | deadcat | liable: k |
| 09:20.51 | liable | enouf: i still dont get your point. what do you think they would be sneaking in, that you could detect anyway? |
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| 09:21.17 | liable | i mean, they make the bios. they can put whatever the hell they want in it.. |
| 09:21.50 | deadcat | liable: have you tried beryl? plaintext config. |
| 09:22.18 | lord_rob | Hi ! I noticed that libnss-mdns can be safely removed in aptitude. Anyway, telnet, whois and apt-get are some programs among many more that depend on this lib. How comes it's so easy to uninstall libnss-mdns ? |
| 09:22.23 | liable | deadcat: no, i havent booted the lappy that does compiz for a while. must get around to trying it soon i guess |
| 09:22.35 | liable | deadcat: s/compiz/aiglx/ |
| 09:22.39 | enouf | deadcat: did you try update-alternatives --config x-window-manager or somesuch |
| 09:23.29 | enouf | deadcat: I NEVER used matacity .. as far as I know .. and low and behold - it was selected when I looked on my config |
| 09:23.33 | liable | deadcat: try #xgl too, they might (it full of ubuntu users) be able to give you a link or two |
| 09:23.39 | deadcat | enouf: ya. i only see openbox fluxbox metacity. no compiz |
| 09:23.47 | enouf | liable: look into DRM/ TCPA nonsense |
| 09:23.48 | deadcat | (= |
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| 09:24.41 | enouf | liable: when they'll force you to buy a new DRM Compliant only Video Card, Monitor just to be able to watch HD-DVD and use any HDMI tech (or even BR-D) |
| 09:25.26 | enouf | deadcat: I was saying make certtain that metacity is NOT selected as default .. apologies then |
| 09:25.29 | liable | enouf: too late, my box already has trusted computing chip, and ibm has been bastards for a long time about hardware thats disabled through bios (non oem) |
| 09:25.53 | enouf | liable: not for me and my p150 with my "turbo" button :-p |
| 09:25.58 | bony | is it possible to install google earth on 64bit debian sid? |
| 09:26.23 | enouf | liable: AM2 and all Intels are heading more and more in that direction |
| 09:26.24 | liable | enouf: you keep your 150, i'll take my chances with my bootable iso :) |
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| 09:27.32 | bony | guys is it possible to install google earth on debian 64bit os? |
| 09:27.36 | cydork | enouf: turbo button? i have a old p60 like tht :P |
| 09:27.43 | enouf | cydork: yep |
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| 09:27.48 | deadcat | enouf: how do i make metacity not selected? i tried editing the gnome files in /usr/share/gnome but no luck. |
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| 09:28.28 | cydork | bony: google should know :P |
| 09:28.34 | enouf | deadcat: see the choices? .. the one with the asterisk is the default -- that's all I know about it |
| 09:28.53 | deadcat | enouf: ya. compiz is NOT on the list. and my default is openbox |
| 09:29.00 | norc | Are there any official references for administrating debian on servers? |
| 09:29.35 | enouf | norc: see debian.org developers/admin section |
| 09:30.52 | norc | enouf: rather looks like for developers.. |
| 09:31.28 | norc | enouf: but Ill look around on debian.org :-) |
| 09:31.30 | enouf | http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/212 for example norc |
| 09:31.51 | norc | enouf: ohh.. ok. thank you, that is just what I was looking for :) |
| 09:32.03 | norc | articles like that :) |
| 09:32.15 | enouf | ;-) |
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| 09:32.49 | bony | cydork, google said nothing about it :-) |
| 09:34.08 | norc | *setting up exim now* :-) |
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| 09:36.20 | cydork | bony: then blame google :P |
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| 09:36.55 | enouf | bony: yeah that sucks .. I mean look at this page http://earth.google.com/faq.html - pnly talks about Mac and Xpoop |
| 09:37.01 | bony | cydork, i just checked out with gentoo guys and they said google earth works fine on amd64 bit gentoo |
| 09:37.08 | norc | But its guite interesting, installations on debian are so freaking fast. :-) |
| 09:37.30 | bony | i could install google earth on a 32 bit os and its working fine |
| 09:37.37 | cydork | bony: then it should work with debian amd64 too i guess. but cant help you there :) |
| 09:37.39 | enouf | bony: go over to ##Linux and bitch .. there's someone who hangs there that works at google |
| 09:38.11 | Guerin | !praise tea |
| 09:38.17 | Guerin | no indeed, we are not. |
| 09:38.22 | bony | cydork, its ok i just wanted to know wather its possible to install google earth on a 64bit gnu/linux system |
| 09:38.32 | Guerin | tea is what keeps me sane ... and awake. And alive, probably. |
| 09:38.42 | Guerin | bony: chroot |
| 09:38.43 | bony | enouf, thanks for the pointer i will check that out |
| 09:39.10 | enouf | de nada |
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| 09:39.16 | cydork | Guerin: beer does that for me :P |
| 09:39.24 | Guerin | beer does it for me as well |
| 09:39.24 | enouf | !coffee |
| 09:39.25 | dpkg | well, coffee is the reason the net exists, or the drug of choice for a GNU generation, or http://www.chez.com/emarsden/downloads/coffee.el, or /usr/share/doc/HOWTO/en-html/mini/Coffee.html, or geiseri's favorite beverage, or smells better than it tastes |
| 09:39.30 | Guerin | but not when I have this much writing to do |
| 09:39.55 | enouf | !columbian |
| 09:39.59 | enouf | hehe |
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| 09:42.52 | norc | what was the kernel module called to limit the size of a directory? |
| 09:44.11 | czekista | hi. my printer doesn't work and it information dialog says it uses /dev/usblp0 for communication, however, i don't have that file, there is only /dev/usb/lp0. How can i create that device? i tried symlinking but it was remved after reboot(?) :/ |
| 09:44.34 | SoloFlyer | norc: arrgh i know that one!!! |
| 09:44.39 | possie | anyone that knows a good way to store passwords securely, with multiple admins ? |
| 09:44.43 | basanta | any totem geeks? |
| 09:44.47 | enouf | norc: you're thinking about audit 'ing' or soemsuch .. ermm darnit .. can't recall |
| 09:45.10 | k31th | hum how can i run a script as root via a php script ? |
| 09:45.11 | norc | ahh.. wasnit quota? |
| 09:45.18 | SoloFlyer | thats it ! |
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| 09:45.21 | norc | :) |
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| 09:46.48 | no0obie | hey guys |
| 09:46.53 | no0obie | i have a really noob question :D |
| 09:47.14 | norc | If I specify an unknown mount option for the root partition, will it be mounted anyway or does that break the bootup? |
| 09:47.23 | no0obie | say i got my kernel installed and i need to start building on top of that |
| 09:47.31 | no0obie | what packages should i start with? |
| 09:47.37 | norc | no0obie: busybox |
| 09:47.47 | no0obie | i tried apt-getting xserver and gnome but i still cant get it to work |
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| 09:48.03 | basanta | Is it possible to disable totem from autoplaying VCDs? |
| 09:48.13 | Guerin | norc: if you have errors=remount-ro it will mount / read-only |
| 09:48.19 | cydork | no0obie: what are you trying do exactly? |
| 09:48.27 | norc | Guerin: I do have that enabled, ok, thanks. :) |
| 09:48.38 | enouf | norc: yes .. Quots |
| 09:48.42 | enouf | Quotas |
| 09:48.46 | no0obie | see a desktop to start with :-/ |
| 09:48.51 | norc | Guerin: but there would be no way to change the fstab then in order to repair it.. |
| 09:49.00 | Guerin | basanta: aptitude purge totem works perfectly, I find |
| 09:49.05 | cydork | no0obie: run tasksel and select desktop env |
| 09:49.14 | Guerin | norc: you can always mount it manually once you've booted |
| 09:49.22 | norc | Guerin: Not on a dedicated server? |
| 09:49.27 | Guerin | norc: sure, why not? |
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| 09:49.38 | Guerin | norc: it'll continue to boot; it won't hang |
| 09:49.43 | norc | Guerin: Ohh.. I see.. so mount it again in another directory |
| 09:49.54 | Guerin | norc: no, remount it with rw |
| 09:50.04 | norc | Guerin: Can I simply remount the root partition? |
| 09:50.04 | Guerin | norc: man mount, look at the 'remount' option |
| 09:50.12 | no0obie | it wont start! it says it cant locate kde stuff... and am trying to get it to work on gnome |
| 09:50.17 | norc | Didn't know that works with partitions that are busy.. :o |
| 09:50.30 | Guerin | norc: if it ain't rw, it ain't busy |
| 09:50.33 | enouf | !install x |
| 09:50.34 | dpkg | somebody said install xf4 was apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about <set up x> or <drxx> or <xorg> |
| 09:50.53 | enouf | !install kde |
| 09:50.54 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 09:51.06 | no0obie | but idont want to install kde!! |
| 09:51.14 | cydork | !install gnome |
| 09:51.14 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
| 09:51.18 | enouf | no0obie: wtf? |
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| 09:51.27 | Guerin | no0obie: install kdebase and stop whining |
| 09:51.28 | enouf | e |
| 09:51.28 | enouf | [05:42:06] <norc> Didn't know that works with partitions that are busy.. :o |
| 09:51.34 | norc | [11:50:12] < no0obie> it wont start! it says it cant locate kde stuff... and am trying to get it to work on gnome |
| 09:51.35 | enouf | bah ... |
| 09:51.39 | norc | ^ that was what you wanted to quote ;) |
| 09:51.40 | no0obie | i did install gnome |
| 09:51.42 | no0obie | and i did install x |
| 09:51.49 | enouf | thanks norc |
| 09:51.55 | norc | :) |
| 09:52.24 | enouf | no0obie: Sarge or Etch .. and uname -r |
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| 09:53.07 | no0obie | its says its failing to load the mouse driver and it quits when i type startx |
| 09:53.10 | possie | karsten, you know a good way to share passwords securely? |
| 09:53.34 | norc | May I ask a simple question .. would debian work good for Desktop? |
| 09:53.40 | norc | multimedia etc.. : |
| 09:53.42 | cydork | norc: yep :) |
| 09:53.55 | norc | cydork: So no problems with modular xorg for example? |
| 09:54.02 | norc | and all the hardware accelerations |
| 09:55.01 | cydork | norc: well there are some problems with nvdia and etch but other than that it's great as desktop. |
| 09:55.14 | norc | cydork: well im using nvidia :( |
| 09:55.40 | enouf | [05:44:13] <enouf> no0obie: Sarge or Etch .. and uname -r |
| 09:55.49 | Guerin | norc: use nv -> problem solved |
| 09:56.05 | cydork | norc: you can get that from unstable too. but i use nv :P |
| 09:56.07 | Guerin | norc: hardware accelleration only necessary for games |
| 09:56.17 | norc | Guerin: video editing? :S |
| 09:56.23 | Guerin | and frankly, if you play games, you might as well run windows |
| 09:56.30 | enouf | uses 'nv' |
| 09:56.31 | Guerin | norc: cpu, not gpu |
| 09:56.54 | norc | Newer graphiccards habe support for stuff like that ;) |
| 09:56.58 | norc | At least thats what I heard |
| 09:56.59 | Guerin | and there are barely any decent video programs for free software anyhow |
| 09:57.07 | norc | Well I only want to play nethack and q1 .. :-) |
| 09:57.08 | Guerin | norc: yeah, right. |
| 09:57.14 | goki____ | norc: woohoo |
| 09:57.21 | norc | Guerin: So I am wrong, never mind then :) |
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| 09:57.32 | liable | no0obie: you have prolly chosen the wrong mouse dev/protocol |
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| 09:57.36 | enouf | norc: what video card you have? |
| 09:57.47 | norc | enouf: nv gf ti4600 .. :-) |
| 09:57.56 | goki____ | I had one of those |
| 09:57.58 | Guerin | when they were $5k or some insane thing like that |
| 09:57.59 | enouf | norc: oldie ... use nv |
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| 09:58.01 | goki____ | nice card |
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| 09:58.09 | Guerin | and our dept was the shizzle because we had FOUR of them |
| 09:58.10 | norc | goki____: No cooling needed, so yeah |
| 09:58.17 | norc | enouf: well ok.. if you say so .. *trusts* |
| 09:58.19 | goki____ | mine had a fan |
| 09:58.32 | norc | I think I will switch from Gentoo to Debian then .. :-) |
| 09:58.42 | goki____ | debian is good |
| 09:58.47 | Guerin | norc: what will you do with all that spare time? |
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| 09:58.57 | Guerin | norc: you might have to spend some of it with your wife! |
| 09:59.15 | enouf | norc: see http://users.erols.com/chare/video.htm |
| 09:59.16 | norc | Guerin: If I had a wife I might .. yes. ;) |
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| 09:59.36 | Guerin | :pj harvey++ |
| 09:59.40 | Guerin | !pj harvey++ |
| 09:59.41 | Fox | norc: or if you would like to have one :) |
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| 10:00.09 | norc | enouf: what is that for? :-) |
| 10:00.13 | norc | Fox: Well.. aot |
| 10:00.16 | menko | hello, I have a few directories full of files with names such as ?².?, rm -rf is having trouble deleting them, how do I get past this? |
| 10:00.18 | norc | oops. -- :) |
| 10:00.30 | Guerin | menko: ./?�.? |
| 10:00.36 | enouf | norc: duh .. for comparison shopping ofcourse :=p |
| 10:00.46 | cydork | menko: reiserfs? |
| 10:00.49 | enouf | !be a reading barbie |
| 10:00.49 | dpkg | Aww, reading is HARD! Let's go shopping, enouf |
| 10:00.49 | menko | and !?.#? |
| 10:00.57 | enouf | no problemo dpkg |
| 10:00.58 | menko | cydork: no it's fat16 or 32 |
| 10:00.59 | norc | enouf: I'm not going to buy a new videocard unless I can get a Matrox G550 for 20 bucks |
| 10:01.02 | norc | :) |
| 10:01.08 | Guerin | menko: use '' to quote tricky filenames |
| 10:01.17 | Guerin | or \ to escape specific characters |
| 10:01.22 | menko | there's ~hundreds... |
| 10:01.33 | norc | [12:00:58] < menko> cydork: no it's fat16 or 32 |
| 10:01.33 | enouf | norc: quad head too ..right? |
| 10:01.36 | norc | uhm is this a linux fs? |
| 10:01.40 | Guerin | menko: so copy out the ones you want to keep, then delete the rest |
| 10:01.44 | norc | enouf: uh? .. no? |
| 10:01.54 | menko | norc: it's on a cf card on a linux system |
| 10:02.06 | menko | Guerin: i wnat to keep none |
| 10:02.16 | Guerin | menko: then delete the containing directories |
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| 10:02.30 | liable | * doesnt work? |
| 10:02.38 | prudhvi | How do i do a 32bit chroot ? |
| 10:02.42 | Guerin | ./* should always work |
| 10:02.44 | prudhvi | in amd 64bit |
| 10:02.49 | Guerin | prudhvi: #debian-amd64 knows |
| 10:02.52 | menko | Guerin: I left it doing rm -rf directory, but the bash freezes |
| 10:03.01 | cydork | !tell prudhvi about amd64 |
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| 10:03.12 | cydork | prudhvi: check that how-to! |
| 10:03.21 | Guerin | menko: need to keep anything on the card? |
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| 10:03.32 | Guerin | menko: you could just nuke the whole damn kit |
| 10:03.43 | enouf | menko: try rm -rf -- . |
| 10:03.53 | menko | Yes, I could back it up and then format it, but i just wnat to check if there is any way to avert that hassle |
| 10:04.01 | enouf | wtf .. sorry |
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| 10:04.26 | Guerin | menko: proibably, but weithout knowing why it hangs bash (that should never happen) I can't think of much. |
| 10:04.30 | enouf | oh wait .. the asterisks just diplay funny in my irc client .. that was what I meant |
| 10:04.59 | liable | there was no asterisk |
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| 10:05.09 | Guerin | no asterisk here |
| 10:05.17 | Guerin | only a . |
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| 10:05.18 | enouf | the asterisks automatically bold whatever they're surrounding .. and they themselves disappear |
| 10:05.25 | menko | Guerin: actually I just tried again and bash came back after a while, it said: rm -rf DSOrganize/ |
| 10:05.25 | menko | rm: cannot remove `DIR//day/?\025á?ç\006\031\002.`i\021/aé|\022\002??c.ê0?': Read-only file system |
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| 10:05.33 | enouf | SHIT~ |
| 10:05.46 | surface | anyone here familiar with iconv ? |
| 10:05.46 | Guerin | menko: funky |
| 10:05.55 | peterS | surface: what about it? |
| 10:06.00 | menko | So is the best way just to back up and format? |
| 10:06.02 | enouf | menko: try rm -rf -- . (rm -rf -- <asterisk>.<asterisk>) |
| 10:06.16 | menko | enouf: with the long dash? |
| 10:06.30 | enouf | menko: just dd or cat the fsken thing |
| 10:06.38 | eml | Heya... I need some guidance to set permissions on /var/www so the user 'eml' is able to create, remove and modify files/folder in there, + apache needs to be able to read/write |
| 10:06.39 | surface | i try to convert from utf-8 to acsii, it fail with error FILE* stream = popen (iconv: illegal input sequence at position 83 |
| 10:06.43 | enouf | menko: it's a double dash |
| 10:06.48 | enouf | two hyphens |
| 10:06.56 | peterS | enouf: are you another of those who thinks dd is a good substitute for cp? |
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| 10:07.01 | enouf | to let rm know you stopped passing it any more options/args |
| 10:07.09 | menko | enouf: ah it gives lots of readonly errors |
| 10:07.10 | peterS | those people seem to be everywhere |
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| 10:07.38 | peterS | surface: illegal input sequence means your source data is not utf-8. |
| 10:07.42 | surface | peterS: i cat -v popen.c, the line is FILE* stream = popen (M-bM-^@M-^\sortM-bM-^@M-^], M-bM-^@M-^\wM-bM-^@M-^]); |
| 10:07.47 | erlepereira | hey is anyone having trouble with seahorse (gpg) in testing ? I upgraded from stable, finally and nautilus, (seahorse) do not encrypt |
| 10:07.47 | enouf | peterS: don't start now ... menko please use cat innstead of dd .. I wouldn't think cp would be helpful here .. eh peterS ? |
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| 10:08.01 | liable | eml: put document root in the users home. otherwise you need user in www-data and the files need to be owner and root to that group (which is prolly not a good idea) |
| 10:08.02 | enouf | peterS: :-0 |
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| 10:08.17 | surface | i file popen.c , it gives "popen.c: UTF-8 Unicode C program text" |
| 10:08.20 | eml | liable, Okay ... What should I google for? =p |
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| 10:08.30 | peterS | enouf: I don't know what you're trying to use dd _for_ exactly. something about overwriting a filesystem? I guess you want 'cp /dev/zero ...' then? |
| 10:08.34 | enouf | peterS: I witnessed thaty whole exchnage earlier . so yes .. I know already hehe |
| 10:08.46 | enouf | peterS: ahh .. ok |
| 10:08.56 | surface | peterS: so, it is UTF-8, is it a bugs? |
| 10:08.57 | liable | eml: just read httpd.conf, the document root section :) theres tons of apache docs out there |
| 10:09.03 | menko | ok so I'll just backup and reformat, thanks for the help |
| 10:09.04 | eml | liable, Alright, thanks |
| 10:09.06 | enouf | peterS: menko wants to wipe ebverything on a fat13/32 |
| 10:09.07 | peterS | surface: 'file' does not necessarily validate an entire file |
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| 10:09.46 | enouf | peterS: its's a cf card I think .. but let him splain |
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| 10:09.55 | surface | peterS: emm.. then i have no idea what encoding is "M-bM-^@M-^\" already |
| 10:10.10 | teledyn | uh oh - my machine is hard-freezing now |
| 10:10.33 | liable | menko: why are you backing it up if you just want to delete it? |
| 10:10.34 | peterS | surface: hold on, let me translate that to hex in my head, if possible, so I can tell what it is... |
| 10:10.38 | menko | yes it's a cf card with a tree of directories with strange filenames that when being rmed say readonly file system(which it isn't) |
| 10:10.40 | surface | peterS: i just copy and paste from a pdf to vim, vim seems to show a correct UTF-8 symbol. |
| 10:10.46 | teledyn | i thought maybe it was the latest nvidia driver upgrade or something, so i downgraded it, but still freezing |
| 10:10.52 | menko | liable: there is other stuff atop the tree |
| 10:10.57 | liable | menko: try remounting it rw |
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| 10:11.16 | teledyn | i was tailing syslog when it froze and nothing shows up. the whole machine just completely freezes for no apparent reason |
| 10:11.39 | Guerin | menko: does it have errors=remount-ro? |
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| 10:11.47 | surface | peterS: \342 \200 \234 |
| 10:11.52 | Guerin | menko: in fstab, I mean |
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| 10:12.07 | peterS | surface: yeah I'd got the \342 \200 so far (: |
| 10:12.17 | menko | Guerin: I'm trying to unmount it but it says it is busy |
| 10:12.17 | surface | peterS: \342 \200 \235 |
| 10:12.20 | surface | this 2 |
| 10:12.25 | peterS | surface: just couldn't remember the code point for ^\ offhand (: |
| 10:12.39 | surface | its \234 |
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| 10:12.44 | Guerin | !jatfq menko |
| 10:12.46 | surface | ^] its \235 |
| 10:12.48 | liable | menko: dont umount, just remount it. |
| 10:12.50 | dpkg | menko: Just Answer The Fucking Question |
| 10:12.53 | guru | when running two screens with xorg (using the leftOf parameter) does it matter if the screens are a different size? also, can I run one screen at a different resolution than the other or does that depend on my video card? |
| 10:12.57 | peterS | surface: yeah, both of those are valid utf-8 |
| 10:13.10 | menko | Guerin: it doesn't have that in fstab |
| 10:13.19 | surface | peterS so it maybe a iconv bug? |
| 10:13.28 | Guerin | menko: ok. No reason I can think of it would be ro unless that's how you told it to mount. |
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| 10:13.51 | peterS | surface: well, they can't be converted to ASCII, since ASCII does not include any UTF-8 characters greater than \177. so iconv will fail. |
| 10:13.53 | Guerin | menko: unless the cf has reached the end of its useful life and is doing something stupid - I don't knwo what they do just before they die. |
| 10:13.55 | menko | Guerin: the rest of the cf card is r/w, just this directory tree is strange |
| 10:14.16 | peterS | surface: in fact, that brings up an interesting point: converting utf-8 to ascii is useless, since everything that _can_ be converted to ascii already _is_ ascii. since utf-8 is a strict superset of ascii. |
| 10:14.27 | Guerin | menko: run lsattr over them |
| 10:14.41 | nsweet | whoa, debian is vulgar :( |
| 10:14.42 | nsweet | pager.php3 |
| 10:14.42 | nsweet | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:14.42 | nsweet | } |
| 10:14.42 | nsweet | echo "fuck the man!"; |
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| 10:14.53 | peterS | surface: in other words, 'iconv -f utf-8 -t ascii' will either do nothing at all, or fail, depending on whether the input has any non-ascii characters in it |
| 10:14.56 | nsweet | oops :P |
| 10:15.02 | enouf | menko : close out all your browsers and apps that may be using the info on the cf card |
| 10:15.04 | cydork | nsweet: where did you find that? |
| 10:15.06 | surface | peterS: because \342 \200 \234 is actually " for ascii, just it looks nicer with open |
| 10:15.08 | Guerin | nsweet: you should see the linux kernel comments |
| 10:15.24 | nsweet | http://www.koders.com/?s=fuck&la=*&li=* |
| 10:15.28 | Guerin | menko: lsattr * |grep -v '-----------------' |
| 10:15.29 | peterS | surface: no, if you want " in utf-8 it is ". \342 \200 \234 is a different type of quote mark |
| 10:15.39 | menko | Guerin: lsattr: Inappropriate ioctl for device While reading flags on ./?.?, gives that error (with different file) for every file. |
| 10:15.53 | cydork | nsweet: grep -r fuck /usr/src/linux-source/* |wc -l :P |
| 10:15.55 | peterS | surface: I guess what you want is something that will transliterate non-ascii characters into a suitable ascii equivalent. I don't think iconv can do that |
| 10:15.57 | Guerin | menko: ah. That's a dead bit o' storage, by the looks. |
| 10:16.16 | Guerin | menko: back up and try to write out zeros to it |
| 10:16.26 | cydork | nsweet: that used to give preety big no some time back. dont know now ;) |
| 10:16.27 | Guerin | i bet it won't even back up the whole thing |
| 10:16.29 | surface | peterS i understand now, any solution? must uses sed convert manually? |
| 10:17.17 | nsweet | cydork, hehe |
| 10:17.43 | Avochelm | i just opened up a telnet... how do I close my session? |
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| 10:17.55 | peterS | surface: you want something with a huge lookup table of ASCII transliterations for non-ASCII characters. I don't know what software includes such a thing. |
| 10:17.59 | Avochelm | ctrl+c doesnt work |
| 10:18.00 | ma3x | what is /lib/init/rw ? |
| 10:18.06 | mo1991 | does debian-amd64 have openoffice, etc now? |
| 10:18.08 | nsweet | hahaha, check out the title here: http://ukofficedirect.opnet.co.uk/Detail.aspx?ProductID=139105&SID=36350c6dd06c4dc29d151defe0e32af9 |
| 10:18.15 | Guerin | Avochelm: you were told the control character when you slogged in |
| 10:18.21 | petemc | Avochelm: ^] |
| 10:18.26 | Guerin | Avochelm: usually ^} |
| 10:18.37 | Guerin | meh, petemc got it right |
| 10:18.50 | peterS | Avochelm: yeah, doesn't your version of telnet tell you this information every time you run it? |
| 10:19.03 | surface | peterS: thanks anyway, at least i can detect non-ascii uses cat -v |
| 10:19.17 | peterS | surface: if you want to just _remove_ non-ascii characters, use 'iconv -c' |
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| 10:20.41 | peterS | surface: or if you want to convert them to HTML entities (like &x201C;) you can use http://p12n.org/hacks/#utf82html |
| 10:20.41 | Avochelm | what if the port your connecting to isn't a telnet port? |
| 10:20.43 | guru | nsweet: check out arch/mips/kernel/irixelf.c - "#if 0 /* XXX No fucking way dude... */" |
| 10:20.50 | peterS | surface: you might find that interesting, actually |
| 10:21.22 | surface | peterS: alright :) |
| 10:21.32 | Guerin | anyone remember carmageddon? |
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| 10:21.40 | cydork | Guerin: yep :) |
| 10:21.46 | peterS | surface: I can't remember now exactly why I wrote that but I think someone on IRC expressed interest in it or something |
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| 10:22.13 | anabain | is there any app that can open .sit files? |
| 10:22.16 | Guerin | much of carmageddon was textfiles, and while trying to hack the gravity down to sane levels one day, I came across a comment which went /* This had better fucking work */ |
| 10:22.21 | Guerin | apparently it did |
| 10:22.43 | Guerin | anabain: less |
| 10:22.48 | cydork | Guerin: haha |
| 10:22.49 | nsweet | guru, whats really funny is there is alot of vulgarity in Apple and Sun code comments |
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| 10:23.03 | Guerin | anabain: can't guarantee any meaningful output, but it will let you view them... |
| 10:23.06 | guru | nsweet: heh, you should see some of the code at my job ;) |
| 10:23.11 | nsweet | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/10/13/code_outrage/ |
| 10:23.17 | Avochelm | ah got it |
| 10:23.43 | surface | peterS: great! thx. |
| 10:23.49 | peterS | surface: enjoy |
| 10:24.13 | guru | nsweet: that's mild compared to some of my comments |
| 10:24.31 | nsweet | guru, there's a difference between coding for the private sector and for a public commercial opensource project :) |
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| 10:24.48 | k-man_ | how do i control which kernels appear in the grub list at bootup? |
| 10:24.55 | guru | nsweet: again, that's mild compared to some of my comments :) |
| 10:24.55 | nsweet | meh, i need sleep... that last sentance was fubar lol |
| 10:25.05 | cydork | k-man_: /boot/grub/menu.lst |
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| 10:25.26 | Guerin | k-man_: you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 10:25.31 | ma3x | is anyone familiar with /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh? |
| 10:25.38 | k-man_ | thanks |
| 10:25.38 | Guerin | menko: the author probably is |
| 10:25.40 | ma3x | it creates me always /lib/init/rw directory |
| 10:25.43 | Guerin | ma3x: ^ |
| 10:25.44 | guru | i have written a ton of open source and public domain projects...i don't think one of them is without the use of "fuck" or some derivative thereof at least once |
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| 10:26.11 | Miesco | How do I make my meta key ALT |
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| 10:26.22 | Guerin | Miesco: by not using xterm |
| 10:26.26 | ma3x | Guerin: it says: # Does the root device in /etc/fstab match with the actual device ? # If not we try to use the /dev/root alias device, and if that fails we create a temporary node in /lib/init/rw. |
| 10:26.27 | nsweet | guru, but is any of them distrubited as a commercial product for a multi billion dollar entity? :) |
| 10:26.27 | jolelion | hello everybody |
| 10:26.35 | Miesco | Guerin: What do you use? |
| 10:26.48 | k-man_ | Guerin, do the entries in menu.lst appear in the grub menu in the same order? |
| 10:26.50 | nsweet | wow, i just raped english yet again :/ |
| 10:26.54 | ma3x | Guerin: the root device in /etc/fstab matches with the actual device. So why do I have that directory created? |
| 10:26.55 | Guerin | Miesco: rxvt-unicode-ml 4 evar! |
| 10:27.02 | cydork | ma3x: which version of debian is that? |
| 10:27.04 | peterS | ma3x: the root partition is often read-only, so /lib/init/rw is a read-write filesystem in that case |
| 10:27.06 | Guerin | ma3x: because the script begs to differ |
| 10:27.16 | jolelion | I have a little problem wsith the install of my wireless card on etch : ipw3945 |
| 10:27.25 | Miesco | Guerin: I cant get rxvt to use my vga font with drawing lines |
| 10:27.26 | Guerin | k-man_: read the comments and all will be revealed |
| 10:27.40 | Guerin | Miesco: like ↑ and stuff? |
| 10:27.47 | ma3x | cydork: sid |
| 10:27.48 | jolelion | when i do "modprobe ipw3945 : FATAL: Error inserting ipw3945 (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/ipw3945.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 10:27.50 | Miesco | Guerin: I guess |
| 10:27.52 | guru | nsweet: probably...there are some fairly large corporations that use some of my utilities :) |
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| 10:28.03 | jolelion | does anyone has an idea for me? |
| 10:28.04 | liable | stop it with the fucking arrows :P |
| 10:28.22 | nsweet | i understand that profanity in code comments is far from common, just think that Apple / Sun should have good enough QC to make sure it doesnt get out of the office :) |
| 10:28.28 | cydork | ma3x: then i cant check :P |
| 10:28.30 | liable | jolelion: did you compile it with the same gcc as the kernel? |
| 10:28.33 | nsweet | erm farm from uncommon too |
| 10:28.35 | ma3x | peterS: how is the root partition read only? upon boot you mean? or sometimes when something goes wrong? |
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| 10:28.43 | Guerin | →liable↠maybe I'll use this instead of : |
| 10:28.45 | guru | nsweet: now that i can agree with |
| 10:28.48 | ma3x | cydork: check your /etc/init.d/checkroot.sh |
| 10:28.53 | Guerin | it'll be 133734 |
| 10:28.54 | peterS | ma3x: upon boot, yes. some people set it up to _always_ be read-only. |
| 10:29.00 | Knight_Lord | I've got a networked printer. Is there any documentation on how to access it from my debian system using CUPS? |
| 10:29.01 | jolelion | I'm using the linux-image-2.6-686 |
| 10:29.01 | nsweet | anyways, i need sleep, hour 28 = english go buhbye |
| 10:29.12 | cydork | ma3x: on etch it's not there. |
| 10:29.16 | Knight_Lord | It's a Xerox Phaser8550 |
| 10:29.19 | ma3x | peterS: is it always read only upon boot? |
| 10:29.24 | peterS | ma3x: usually |
| 10:29.30 | liable | Guerin: i will have to use that fucking smite you made up (remember the really annoying nick one) |
| 10:29.30 | jolelion | which current version is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 10:29.33 | cydork | ma3x: i mean /lib/init/rw part. |
| 10:29.35 | peterS | ma3x: you can boot with the kernel parameter "rw" if you wish, but then you cannot fsck the root filesystem |
| 10:29.54 | ma3x | thats not good |
| 10:30.03 | Guerin | liable: which one? |
| 10:30.07 | Guerin | !kiwismite liable |
| 10:30.17 | ma3x | peterS: but why does the system need /lib/init/rw? |
| 10:30.20 | liable | Knight_Lord: they normally broadcast, and you just add the name as an ipp printer |
| 10:30.32 | wireddd | I need a new kernel for my brain, I keep crashing every 16 hours |
| 10:30.38 | Miesco | peterS: What terminal emulator do you use? |
| 10:30.43 | liable | Guerin: i cant remember, it had lots of symbols either side of the nick |
| 10:30.44 | peterS | ma3x: ignore it. you obviously have no interest in reading the init scripts which create and use /lib/init/rw, so the topic really is of no importance |
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| 10:31.08 | peterS | Miesco: that depends. right now I'm using the emulator built into the Linux kernel |
| 10:31.16 | Guerin | liable: i think that might have been abrotman |
| 10:31.21 | liable | Knight_Lord: tcpdump or wireshark/ethereal may help |
| 10:31.25 | Knight_Lord | liable any documentation describing how to do that? (I don't know how to get the broadcast, or how to add as an ipp printer) |
| 10:31.31 | nsweet | wireddd, i have that problem as well, and something is seriously wrong... it takes me a good 8 hours to reboot |
| 10:31.32 | liable | Guerin: ya, was you or him |
| 10:31.39 | jolelion | liable: I'm using the linux-image-2.6-686 the current version is 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 10:31.51 | Miesco | peterS: You mean the console? |
| 10:31.59 | Knight_Lord | liable I have to sniff the network for the IP adress?!? |
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| 10:32.01 | ma3x | peterS: but it takes 475MB. how does it take that space? from the root partition? |
| 10:32.04 | peterS | Miesco: yes. the Linux kernel emulates a vt102 with some extensions. |
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| 10:32.17 | jolelion | liable: but I don't know which compiler was user for this kernel |
| 10:32.19 | wireddd | nsweet, I am gonna submit a bug report |
| 10:32.31 | liable | jolelion: whats gcc -v say? and whats cat /proc/version say? |
| 10:32.42 | peterS | ma3x: it does not take 475 MB. check the filesystem type. it is tmpfs, which means it is using pretty much no space at all. |
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| 10:32.55 | liable | jolelion: if they are different gcc's, then thats prolly your problem |
| 10:32.56 | Miesco | peterS: Do you know how to make xterm use ALT as META? |
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| 10:33.11 | Guerin | ma3x: /nick alittleknowledgeisadangerousthing |
| 10:33.23 | jolelion | liable: gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13) |
| 10:33.29 | Guerin | Miesco: this is an utterly trivial thing to do |
| 10:33.35 | ma3x | Guerin: what do you want to say with that exactly? |
| 10:33.40 | Guerin | Miesco: and is detailed in the manpages and literally ALL OVER google |
| 10:33.42 | liable | Knight_Lord: well, if you know the hostname and printername, no. but it makes life a bit easier (well, did for me) |
| 10:33.43 | ma3x | what will happen if I remove initscripts? |
| 10:33.43 | peterS | Miesco: I use a 101-key keyboard, so I don't have separate alt and meta keys, so I don't have that problem |
| 10:33.50 | jolelion | liable: Linux version 2.6.17-2-686 (Debian 2.6.17-9) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.1.2 20060901 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-13)) #1 SMP Wed Sep 13 16:34:10 UTC 2006 |
| 10:34.04 | Guerin | ma3x: instead of presuming things about things you don't understand, endeavour to understand it |
| 10:34.09 | Knight_Lord | liable surely it should be possible to automate that |
| 10:34.09 | peterS | ma3x: your system will not boot. other than that, you will be fine. |
| 10:34.13 | Guerin | s/it/them/ |
| 10:34.27 | liable | jolelion: hrm, thats not the problem then. :/ |
| 10:34.31 | Guerin | ma3x: yeah yeah |
| 10:34.37 | Guerin | ma3x: i know what you're going to say |
| 10:34.44 | ma3x | Guerin: what? |
| 10:34.47 | Guerin | ma3x: 'I'm just trying to learn, my way!' |
| 10:35.06 | ma3x | nah, I'm not saying that ;) |
| 10:35.27 | peterS | Guerin: he doesn't deserve to have a box with 1 GB of memory just to do this kind of playing around with it (: |
| 10:35.28 | jolelion | liable: dmesg gave me those line : ipw3945: disagrees about version of symbol alloc_ieee80211 ipw3945: Unknown symbol alloc_ieee80211 |
| 10:35.50 | Guerin | peterS: don't make me rant about the world being an unfair place |
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| 10:35.59 | liable | Knight_Lord: yeah. i 'think' i had the cups config thing fill it out once (for a networked printer) or i could have been hallucinating at the time :/ |
| 10:36.00 | jolelion | liable: and a lot of line like those one |
| 10:36.11 | Guerin | if only I was stupid and had a good attitude, instead of being smart and realistic |
| 10:36.26 | liable | jolelion: did you compile the ieee80211 from source too? |
| 10:36.33 | liable | jolelion: if not, you need too.. |
| 10:36.43 | enouf | Guerin: heh |
| 10:36.45 | Guerin | i'd have retired years ago, instead of being sitting up on a friday night listening to fado and trying not to write a university paper |
| 10:36.52 | mo1991 | what is the repository for amd64 sarge? Please let me know - there is nobody on #debian-amd64 |
| 10:37.00 | ma3x | peterS: why don't I deserve 1GB box? |
| 10:37.06 | jolelion | no ieee80211 debian package (if I'm not wrong) |
| 10:37.24 | peterS | ma3x: because all you're doing with it is contemplating breaking it by removing packages you don't understand |
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| 10:37.30 | liable | jolelion: follow the the docs on the ipw3945 homepage |
| 10:37.42 | liable | jolelion: it tells you that you need to compile ieee |
| 10:37.53 | ma3x | peterS: I'm not removing them, I just asked what's gonna happen if I remove initscripts |
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| 10:38.01 | Guerin | but damn, fado is good choons |
| 10:38.22 | peterS | ma3x: for one thing, dpkg will ask you to type a sentence indicating that you are sure you know what you are doing |
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| 10:38.24 | ma3x | peterS: btw, it's really unnecessary to mount that /lib/init/rw. |
| 10:38.26 | erlepereira | mo1991: i use this for my m/c (amd64) :deb ftp://ftp.au.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 10:38.30 | jolelion | liable: ok I'm going to try this, do I need to remove ieee80211 packages? |
| 10:38.50 | liable | removing initscripts is prolly not such a good idea (though you would have to force it anyway) |
| 10:38.50 | Guerin | ma3x: if it was, it wouldn't be done |
| 10:38.52 | ma3x | peterS: if I'm not sure, I'm not even gonna tell it to remove the package |
| 10:39.10 | liable | jolelion: no, the source does it for you. just follow the docs on the homepage |
| 10:39.11 | Guerin | ma3x: debian ain't really big on doing stuff that isn't necessary |
| 10:39.13 | ma3x | Guerin: so could you exactly explain its purpose? |
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| 10:39.20 | Guerin | ma3x: peterS already did |
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| 10:39.34 | jolelion | liable: what is the URL? please? |
| 10:39.44 | liable | jolelion: actually, the docs tell you to compile a kernel without ieee support, which isnt true. just run make and it will remove it for you. |
| 10:39.46 | ma3x | he said its tmpfs, but for what is it meant? |
| 10:39.52 | peterS | ma3x: if you know better than the sysvinit maintainer whether /lib/init/rw needs to be mounted, why don't you file a bug describing your logic? I'm sure the maintainer would love to hear your reasoning for why the feature he recently added is really unnecessary |
| 10:39.53 | Guerin | ma3x: because at a certain part of the boot process / is read-only, and init needs someplace to write state, it makes that dir writable for kicks |
| 10:40.00 | liable | jolelion: um, the same place you got the ipw3945 module from |
| 10:40.30 | Guerin | ma3x: for a description of tmpfs, read man mount |
| 10:40.33 | jolelion | liable: ok thanls for those informations |
| 10:40.36 | simonrvn | and it's tmpfs, which is VM-based so wth the big deal. |
| 10:41.09 | malagmyr_ | How can I do two things if a test fails? Like, $test -d temp || mkdir temp && echo "temp didn't exist. I created it" <-- this says "temp didn't exist..." no matter if it exists or not |
| 10:41.15 | simonrvn | The uptime of XXXXXXX has reached a milestone: 50 days, 00:00:00 (fifty days) |
| 10:41.16 | mo1991 | erlepereira - is open office available for sarge amd64 yet? |
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| 10:41.22 | Guerin | simonrvn: oo |
| 10:41.28 | ma3x | simonrvn: so it's memory based and it doesn't take any space from hdd? |
| 10:41.28 | peterS | malagmyr_: better would be to use 'mkdir -p' which does not fail if the directory already exists |
| 10:41.33 | peterS | malagmyr_: that would simplify your logic a lot |
| 10:41.35 | erlepereira | mo1991: yes, from the repo |
| 10:41.36 | simonrvn | ma3x: yes |
| 10:41.41 | ma3x | ok thank you all |
| 10:41.47 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 10:41.55 | erlepereira | mo1991: but i am still using oo2 under chrooted sarge32 |
| 10:42.01 | simonrvn | even if it did take that space, it's tiny |
| 10:42.06 | peterS | ma3x: I think I said that quite awhile ago, maybe you weren't paying attention? |
| 10:42.29 | simonrvn | i have no doubt peterS said that, even having not seen it |
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| 10:42.37 | peterS | malagmyr_: but in answer to your question, use { } like so: foo || { a; b; c; } |
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| 10:42.41 | malagmyr_ | peterS: this isn't the exact example I'm working on, but the actual example involves a great deal of norwegian variable names and such, so I decided to make a similar case. is there a way to make my logic work? |
| 10:42.49 | malagmyr_ | peterS: ah. thanks :D |
| 10:42.50 | erlepereira | mo1991: oo2 is not present for sarge amd64, I am using testing |
| 10:42.52 | peterS | malagmyr_: note that { } requires ; before } otherwise you get a syntax error |
| 10:43.04 | malagmyr_ | peterS: I'll remember that |
| 10:43.27 | peterS | malagmyr_: (or put } on a new line, that works too and may be more readable) |
| 10:43.56 | simonrvn | peterS: heheh "peterS> ma3x: your system will not boot. other than that, you will be fine." i like the way you put that :) |
| 10:43.59 | ma3x | peterS: but if there is already one tmpfs - /dev/shm, why is a second one necessary? |
| 10:44.27 | simonrvn | Guerin: tell me about it (the world being unfair) |
| 10:44.28 | peterS | ma3x: because /dev/shm is not for general use, it has a specialised use, namely posix shared memory |
| 10:45.07 | ma3x | peterS: and should I know that if you didn't tell me? |
| 10:45.12 | Miesco | peterS: How do I make Xmodmap take affect? |
| 10:45.19 | ma3x | peterS: I missed "how" |
| 10:45.34 | Guerin | simonrvn: well, once upon a time there were these people who lived across most of the 'new world'. They had brownish skin. Then one day ... |
| 10:45.40 | liable | ma3x: xmodmap ~/.<xmodmapfile> |
| 10:45.44 | simonrvn | Miesco: run xmodmap on the file |
| 10:45.46 | liable | Miesco: ^^ |
| 10:45.47 | Miesco | K thanks |
| 10:45.52 | ma3x | liable: ?? |
| 10:45.57 | simonrvn | Guerin: heh |
| 10:45.59 | liable | ma3x: !! |
| 10:46.01 | Guerin | simonrvn: did you know NZ has a Maori party represented in parliament? |
| 10:46.10 | ma3x | liable: what's that? |
| 10:46.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 10:46.15 | Miesco | damb, it didn't work, alt still isn't my meta key |
| 10:46.29 | ma3x | liable: that's for Miesco |
| 10:46.34 | liable | ma3x: nm, the comment wasnt for you |
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| 10:46.37 | peterS | ma3x: you'd know if you read debian-devel when these issues were discussed a few months ago. beyond that, it's best to assume that if a feature was recently added to a package like sysvinit, a feature which looks useless and stupid, it's probably safe to assume there was a good reason for it |
| 10:46.40 | Guerin | simonrvn: I'm probably researching the way their six core traditional principles influence their policy agenda over summer |
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| 10:46.45 | liable | ma3x: yes, see my next comment |
| 10:47.05 | Guerin | simonrvn: i have to talk it over with the prof, but I'll hit you with a copy as it goes ahead. |
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| 10:47.24 | ma3x | liable: yes, its ok |
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| 10:47.51 | simonrvn | meanwhile, "Municipalization and Taxation of First Nations (formerly Indian Reserves) - the last step in Assimilation" |
| 10:48.03 | Guerin | hurrah |
| 10:48.05 | simonrvn | Guerin: cool, thanks |
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| 10:48.22 | ma3x | peterS: you said these issues were discussed. is there a forum or something? |
| 10:48.22 | maploin | do i have to reinstall if i've lost my root password? |
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| 10:48.29 | liable | no |
| 10:48.30 | simonrvn | been going on for at least the last decade. disgusting |
| 10:48.31 | Guerin | maploin: /msg dpkg ifrp |
| 10:48.33 | peterS | ma3x: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/ |
| 10:48.35 | ma3x | peterS: just want to be informed in the guture |
| 10:48.38 | simonrvn | maploin: nope |
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| 10:49.06 | peterS | ma3x: mailing lists are "forums for grown-ups". debian-devel is for discussion of Debian development issues |
| 10:49.14 | liable | haha |
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| 10:49.15 | Guerin | ma3x: make sure you wear a welding visor at all times when readin d-d or d-l |
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| 10:49.18 | Miesco | xmodmap: ./.Xmodmap:1: bad keysym target keysym 'Mode_switch', no corresponding keycodes |
| 10:49.23 | Miesco | Im getting that now |
| 10:49.31 | Miesco | I didn't get any errors the first time |
| 10:49.43 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 10:49.43 | peterS | Miesco: well, is it true? does 'xmodmap -pke | grep Mode_switch' show anything? |
| 10:49.46 | maploin | thanks Guerin |
| 10:50.06 | Miesco | peterS: Let me tell you in a sec |
| 10:50.14 | MarcWeber | How can I install python 2.4.2? I want to install plone. The howto I've found told me to add testing packages and apt-get did install 2.4.4c then. |
| 10:50.23 | liable | peterS: you cant be serious? some of the flamewars that happen on lists are legendary. at least forums have grownups to stop that :) |
| 10:50.40 | liable | not that i am saying i like forums, just responding to that comment :) |
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| 10:51.04 | tralala | liable: oh, admit it already - we all know that you're addicted to forums! |
| 10:51.09 | ma3x | Guerin: what's d-d or d-l ? |
| 10:51.12 | peterS | liable: nevertheless, I can't imagine grown-ups wanting to use web forums for anything more serious than meeting 14yo girls |
| 10:51.15 | liable | tralala: sssshhhh |
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| 10:51.31 | Guerin | ma3x: debian-devel and debian-legal |
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| 10:51.51 | Miesco | peterS: Yea its true |
| 10:52.01 | liable | peterS: thats a terrible response :P |
| 10:52.20 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 10:52.20 | dpkg | i guess popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:52.25 | peterS | liable: I forgot to say '...posing as 16yo boys' but I suppose that's implied |
| 10:53.01 | tralala | peterS: let me widen your imagination a bit - http://rt2x00.serialmonkey.com/phpBB2/ |
| 10:53.55 | ma3x | peterS: I thought this /lib/init issue was 'initscripts' related, but you mentioned 'sysvinit'. how did you find out it's a part of 'sysvinit'? if you do dpkg -S /lib/init, it outputs 'initscripts'. |
| 10:54.00 | cyzie | hi, i have 4 HDDs. ( 2 x 80GB (SATA) , 1 X 80GB (PATA) and 1 x 40GB), what i plan is that, i will run hardware raid 1 on the 2 same 80GB. then the other 2, i would like to mount them on /home with LVM. any tips/advice/comment ? |
| 10:54.30 | peterS | ma3x: maybe because I've been using debian longer than 2 weeks. as it happens, both packages are built from the same source |
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| 10:55.07 | moty66 | Hello, how can I make a symbolic link from /var/spool/mail/someuser to /dev/null ? when I do ln -s /dev/null /var/spool/mail/someuser the sendmail rename the symbolic link and then recreate the user again!! |
| 10:56.06 | peterS | ma3x: this becomes clear once you notice the 'Source:' line in 'apt-cache show initscripts' |
| 10:56.08 | Miesco | peterS: How do I correspond a keycode? |
| 10:57.14 | ma3x | peterS: ahh ok I got it now. thanks :) |
| 10:57.20 | Miesco | peterS: Wait, I know! |
| 10:57.47 | peterS | ma3x: I'm not sure how I would have found that information before apt was invented. I don't think I ever needed it. but if I had, I suppose I could have figured it out one way or another |
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| 10:58.46 | ma3x | peterS: debian.org probably? |
| 10:59.28 | ma3x | peterS: hopefully apt wasn't invented before the internet ;) |
| 10:59.36 | peterS | ma3x: possibly by browsing through ftp.debian.org, yeah. back before apt, we also didn't have package pools, so the relationship between source and binary packages wasn't terribly obvious there either, as I recall |
| 11:00.29 | peterS | I mean, in lieu of 'apt-cache show' you could use dselect's information screen, but I'm not sure whether that actually showed the 'Source:' line. I don't remember that it did. |
| 11:01.01 | simonrvn | even hitting i a coupla times ... hmm |
| 11:01.09 | peterS | yeah |
| 11:02.16 | simonrvn | wtf. i just ran it, and it's SEGVing |
| 11:02.24 | peterS | heh |
| 11:02.27 | simonrvn | when i hit the Select |
| 11:02.47 | simonrvn | anyway, foodage |
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| 11:05.35 | lord_rob | hi dpkg ! |
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| 11:06.36 | Miesco | peterS: Okay I tried to do stuff like set Mod2 to Mode_switch but its not working |
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| 11:07.08 | teledyn | ok. process of elimination w.r.t. system freezes... |
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| 11:07.37 | Guerin | teledyn: 1: change kernels |
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| 11:07.55 | blondie | freezes usually caused by hardware problems IME |
| 11:07.55 | fhuussd | is there an application in debian for installing/managing fonts? |
| 11:08.06 | peterS | Miesco: what you want is 'add Mod2 = Mode_switch' using the add command rather than the keysym or keycode commands |
| 11:08.15 | teledyn | Guerin: would a kernel that has been known to run very stable for quite a while suddenly be able to cause an issue? |
| 11:08.24 | Guerin | teledyn: 2: try to recreate in single-user mode to determine whether it's a core software issue or a fluff issue |
| 11:08.30 | peterS | Miesco: you may also need 'remove mod5 = Mode_switch' or whatever - use 'xmodmap -pm' to see the current state of modifiers |
| 11:08.40 | Miesco | peterS: Okay |
| 11:08.43 | Guerin | teledyn: then changing to an arbitrary other kernel will still yield important data |
| 11:09.19 | Guerin | teledyn: as blondie says, much of this is hardware-kernel interaction, and by changing one of those variables you can often narrow your search space a great deal |
| 11:09.19 | teledyn | Guerin: i'm thinking it was something with one of my recent apt-get updgrades, which included new xorg and kde stuff |
| 11:09.24 | peterS | Miesco: keysyms and modifiers are a really confusing and delicate thing in xmodmap, something I wish the software could handle better. to change a shift or ctrl or alt or modN key, you have to change the keysym and then update the modifier map, you can't do it all in one step |
| 11:09.35 | Guerin | teledyn: under what circumstanced does it happen? |
| 11:10.22 | teledyn | Guerin: running X, running a browser, not much else. maybe playing a game and have some mp3's playing. i do nothing special and the system just locks |
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| 11:10.24 | Miesco | peterS: mod2 Num_Lock (0x4d), Mode_switch (0xa) |
| 11:10.28 | Miesco | peterS: Is that right? |
| 11:10.37 | peterS | Miesco: I have no idea what you're trying to do, so only you can answer that |
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| 11:10.51 | Miesco | peterS: Im trying to make alt my meta key |
| 11:10.55 | Guerin | teledyn: change kernels and see what gives |
| 11:11.27 | peterS | Miesco: in that case what you want is to map some key as Meta_L and make that a modifier such as mod1 |
| 11:11.27 | Guerin | teledyn: if you get the same behaviour, try in !kde, with a different mp3 player, or without x |
| 11:11.35 | Guerin | try to change only one variable at a time |
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| 11:12.01 | peterS | Miesco: in my case I have "mod1 Alt_L (0x40), Alt_L (0x7d), Meta_L (0x9c)" in my xmodmap -pm output |
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| 11:13.01 | Miesco | peterS: My keys are really messed up now |
| 11:14.19 | peterS | Miesco: for example, xmodmap -e 'keycode 64 = Meta_L' -e 'add Mod1 = Meta_L' might do it |
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| 11:14.43 | peterS | (-e lets you execute an xmodmap change without creating a file for it) |
| 11:14.50 | teledyn | anything anyone said to me in last 3 minutes i did not get |
| 11:14.55 | teledyn | [system freeze] |
| 11:15.18 | teledyn | Guerin: i'm trying X without nvidia driver... |
| 11:15.30 | Guerin | that's always a good start |
| 11:15.52 | Guerin | teledyn: try to change only one variable at a time |
| 11:15.57 | teledyn | Guerin: this definitely is after the latest apt-get upgrades |
| 11:16.01 | teledyn | Guerin: check |
| 11:16.25 | teledyn | Guerin: historically, nvidia driver has been a PITA |
| 11:16.46 | Guerin | teledyn: it is that |
| 11:16.49 | teledyn | and I'm not a GL kinda guy anyhow, so no matter... |
| 11:16.56 | Miesco | peterS: bad keysym target keysym 'Meta_R', no corresponding keycodes |
| 11:17.43 | peterS | Miesco: you're trying to use 'keysym' instead of 'keycode', I guess. keysym is sort of a "relative" command, it shuffles around labels that already exist. 'keycode' is more "absolute" as it assigns a keysym to a specific hardware key no matter what the key had on it before |
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| 11:18.10 | peterS | Miesco: the difference when you're tinkering with this stuff is that if you use the same 'keysym' command twice, it doesn't mean quite the same thing the second time as it did the first |
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| 11:19.16 | ma3x | i'm playing this game ksokoban, it's really complicated |
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| 11:19.43 | peterS | ma3x: sokoban is very simple in principle. I wonder how ksokoban manages to make it complex |
| 11:19.55 | ma3x | peterS: I mean it's difficult |
| 11:20.05 | peterS | that's true |
| 11:20.07 | ma3x | peterS: did you play it? |
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| 11:20.15 | peterS | !maint xsok |
| 11:20.17 | ma3x | I just started, 2nd level now :) |
| 11:20.22 | Guerin | is that anything to do with gnugo? |
| 11:20.27 | dpkg | xsok: Peter Samuelson <peter@p12n.org> |
| 11:20.31 | peterS | ma3x: check out what dpkg just said about who looks after xsok |
| 11:20.48 | ma3x | hey that's you? |
| 11:20.53 | peterS | ya |
| 11:20.55 | ma3x | wow |
| 11:20.59 | ma3x | how do I pass the 2nd level? |
| 11:21.03 | Miesco | peterS: My one key doesn't work |
| 11:21.03 | ma3x | it's confusing me |
| 11:21.13 | peterS | hehe, like I'd tell you that even if I could remember offhand |
| 11:21.16 | ma3x | I tried the one end and the other, but can't push the little diamonds |
| 11:21.25 | peterS | anyway, xsok and ksokoban are not the same, though they _may_ use the same levels |
| 11:21.35 | ma3x | peterS: but you're maintainer, not creator, right? |
| 11:22.04 | peterS | ma3x: I look after xsok in debian, I didn't write it. and I don't know anything about ksokoban, but it's probably derived from xsok in some way, if only by copying the levels |
| 11:22.21 | peterS | I don't even know if they copied the levels, but it wouldn't surprise me |
| 11:22.33 | Miesco | peterS: How do I reset my xmodmap |
| 11:22.39 | peterS | Miesco: log out, log in |
| 11:22.49 | Miesco | peterS: K |
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| 11:23.48 | peterS | ma3x: anyway, my main point just now was "yes, I have played sokoban" (: |
| 11:24.38 | ma3x | peterS: how many levels? |
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| 11:24.57 | peterS | I don't remember. only a few, I've probably solved less than 10 |
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| 11:26.21 | sll | hola, alguien me puede contar la diferencia entre stable y unstable: pq algunos programas son para unstable o testing? |
| 11:26.39 | wols | !es |
| 11:26.40 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 11:26.49 | sll | opps sorry |
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| 11:27.08 | x_link | Hi folx ! |
| 11:27.11 | x_link | The newbie is back =) |
| 11:27.16 | peterS | ma3x: I remember a long time ago, Linux kernel Alan Cox wrote on his blog that he had to rearrange some stuff in a room full of old computer equipment. the room was so full that he had to "play machine room sokoban". I love that mental picture |
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| 11:27.57 | Guerin | so not like gnugo, then |
| 11:28.05 | ma3x | peterS: YES, completed level2 |
| 11:28.44 | peterS | Guerin: not like go at all. the object of sokoban is to move boxes around crowded corridors. you can only push one box at a time and the corridors are typically only wide enough for a box or you but not both. |
| 11:28.45 | ma3x | peterS: ever been in his situation? |
| 11:28.46 | Miesco | 11111 |
| 11:28.52 | tralala | ma3x: do you really have to discuss sokoban here? |
| 11:28.55 | peterS | ma3x: maybe once or twice |
| 11:29.04 | Miesco | Whats sokoban? |
| 11:29.10 | ma3x | tralala: not really, but its fun!! |
| 11:29.14 | Guerin | Miesco: peterS just describved it somewhat |
| 11:29.17 | peterS | Miesco: see what I just told Guerin. it's a really old game |
| 11:29.25 | azeem | if in doubt, ask wikipedia |
| 11:29.27 | tralala | ma3x: not for me |
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| 11:29.40 | peterS | Miesco: 'apt-cache search sokoban' will tell you about several implementations in debian |
| 11:30.09 | wols | Guerin: what about the intarweb? |
| 11:30.23 | Guerin | wols: mostly learned masters |
| 11:30.29 | wols | damn |
| 11:30.46 | wols | no "matchmaking" service? maybe you need to join xbox live :) |
| 11:30.47 | Guerin | wols: my wife bought me a set while we were living in korea, but refuses to play me |
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| 11:30.52 | Guerin | haha |
| 11:30.55 | tralala | Guerin: networked sokoban?! |
| 11:31.03 | Guerin | tralala: no, go. |
| 11:31.11 | peterS | tralala: pay attention, he's talking about Go |
| 11:31.26 | Guerin | tralala: aka weiqi, baduk, etc. |
| 11:31.38 | Miesco | peterS: Whats better xsok or ksokoban? |
| 11:31.41 | peterS | you know, that one board game where humans can still consistently beat computers, if they're any good |
| 11:31.44 | wols | Guerin: your wife is a tease :P |
| 11:31.51 | Guerin | wols: you needn't tell me. |
| 11:32.06 | tralala | not, really. I'm not much of a board game palyer |
| 11:32.07 | Guerin | peterS: eve *I* can beat gnugo about 10% of the time |
| 11:32.10 | peterS | Miesco: I've never tried ksokoban. xsok is the one I maintain. it has primitive graphics but the gameplay is as good as it needs to be. |
| 11:32.45 | peterS | Guerin: I have never learned Go, but from what I hear, it's a Really Hard Problem to get computers to play it with any skill. much harder to get computers to beat humans than in chess |
| 11:32.58 | Guerin | peterS: yeah, amazingly so. |
| 11:33.29 | ma3x | peterS: kgoldrunner is interesting too and chromium too |
| 11:33.34 | peterS | Miesco: the sokoban concept is so simple that any implementation is probably as good as any other. it's like tetris, there's just not that much room for screwing it up (: |
| 11:33.53 | Guerin | peterS: the strategy is intuitive, and a 19x19 grid with virtually no illegal moves makes for a ridiculously large space to work within |
| 11:34.18 | peterS | *nod* |
| 11:34.32 | Miesco | peterS: Dont you have a config file for your xmodmap, wouldn't you need it so alt is meta automatically? |
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| 11:35.01 | peterS | Miesco: no - as it turns out, if you use a 101-key layout in xfree86/xorg, Alt works as Meta by default already |
| 11:35.21 | Miesco | peterS: Oh yea |
| 11:35.24 | peterS | Miesco: if you use a 104-key layout, you get Alt on Alt and you get Meta on one of those Windows keys |
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| 11:36.07 | peterS | Miesco: I _do_ have an xmodmap file, but not for that purpose. I use it for other remappings, like turning my capslock into Ctrl as God intended, etc. |
| 11:36.39 | Miesco | peterS: How do you turn capslock on then? |
| 11:37.18 | peterS | Miesco: I never use capslock so it doesn't matter. if I ever did want to use capslock, though, I'd reach over to my "Print Screen" key and hit that |
| 11:37.40 | Miesco | peterS: How do you print your screen then? |
| 11:37.46 | peterS | it wasn't useful for anything else so I figured what the heck, maybe I'll need a capslock someday, may as well use that |
| 11:38.15 | peterS | I print my screen with a super secret magic formula. I'm certainly not telling _you_. |
| 11:38.34 | Guerin | it starts with s and ends with crot |
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| 11:39.17 | Guerin | noes! |
| 11:39.21 | petemc | nasty |
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| 11:39.31 | peterS | hey he said it first |
| 11:39.34 | petemc | :) |
| 11:39.40 | Miesco | peterS: Do you use import? |
| 11:39.43 | peterS | maybe |
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| 11:39.59 | Coke | Is there some nifty, easy to use program that can generate both man-page and nice HTML (with links, content list, etc) from the same source? So far docbook only generates man-like HTML pages. |
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| 11:40.02 | x_link | Is anybody here from Sweden ? |
| 11:40.08 | Coke | x_link: sure. |
| 11:40.14 | x_link | Coke: How ? |
| 11:40.21 | anordby | Nej, vi är norbaggare. |
| 11:40.24 | x_link | Ahh you =) |
| 11:40.28 | peterS | Coke: I haven't looked at the changes for yodl 2.0 yet but it probably does |
| 11:40.35 | peterS | Coke: and pod output isn't bad |
| 11:40.42 | Guerin | Coke: docbook certainly can make sensible html |
| 11:40.52 | Knight_Lord | What do I need to install 64bit debian on an AMD64? |
| 11:41.05 | Knight_Lord | I alraedy installed normal sarge. Can I update to 64bit? |
| 11:41.06 | streuner | !tell Knight_lord about amd64 |
| 11:41.12 | Guerin | but it depends on how nice you want it to be, and how much you don't want to have to hack on the jade scripts or whatever it uses |
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| 11:41.26 | Guerin | or is jade for tex ... jesus, it's been too long |
| 11:41.32 | [Blackheart] | hi does anyone know where the ssh logs are kept? like logs of remote users that access the system? |
| 11:41.42 | Guerin | [Blackheart]: auth.log |
| 11:41.43 | peterS | Guerin: jade is for sgml/xml, which docbook is, so yeah |
| 11:41.52 | [Blackheart] | where's that located Guerin? |
| 11:42.16 | Guerin | [Blackheart]: that shows the pam entries, anyhow. The logs of the ssh uses doing stuff will be in bash_history and such normal places |
| 11:42.24 | Guerin | !logs |
| 11:42.24 | dpkg | logs are what you should always check when you have a problem. They live in /var/log/ |
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| 11:42.40 | Guerin | peterS: mm, crunchy *ml |
| 11:42.42 | [Blackheart] | where's the auth.log located though? I checked in /var/log/ nothing there |
| 11:42.43 | peterS | Guerin: but the following is all I really know about XML tools: <rahul> I feel sorry for xml tools <rahul> I mean, being a tool is bad enough. |
| 11:42.48 | Kejk_PL | Hi, how to revert ALL changes made by upgrade from experimental repository (or whatever else with newer, but broken packages) ? I know that I can choose version in aptitude for example, by I don't know what packages were in that repository (I checked Packages.gz, but I'm not sure that it is all). So my question - it can be done to do something like: removing repository and revert al packages to avaiable version in working repositories?? |
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| 11:43.42 | peterS | Kejk_PL: you can pin a given repository to some ridiculously high value like 10000, then issue an upgrade. I think that'll do it. |
| 11:43.58 | peterS | !pinning |
| 11:43.59 | dpkg | apt-pinning is probably read man apt_preferences. It has good examples. see http://wiki.debian.org/AptPinning |
| 11:44.20 | cydork | Guerin: try kile the only problem with that is that it's a kde app :P |
| 11:44.21 | [Blackheart] | Where is auth.log located? |
| 11:44.24 | Kejk_PL | peterS: sic, I forgot about this, thack. BTW, is it in man? |
| 11:44.39 | Guerin | cydork: what's an app got to do with a markup language? |
| 11:44.41 | peterS | Kejk_PL: see what dpkg just said |
| 11:44.43 | Kejk_PL | dpkg: thank a lot :) |
| 11:44.43 | dpkg | Kejk_PL: no problem |
| 11:44.44 | x_link | I have a question. i'm really new with Linux. I have used it for like ~3.5 weeks now. Now I have got used to the GUI etc. Now I want to start lerning it, the basics and so on. But I don't know where to start. |
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| 11:44.50 | tralala | [Blackheart]: the logs are in /var/log |
| 11:44.52 | x_link | Can somebody help me a bit on the way ? |
| 11:45.01 | Guerin | x_link: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 11:45.05 | cydork | Guerin: na you dont have learn it that way :P |
| 11:45.14 | Guerin | !info kile |
| 11:45.15 | Miesco | peterS: What level are you on? |
| 11:45.18 | dpkg | kile: (KDE Integrated LaTeX Environment), section tex, is optional. Version: 1:1.9.2-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1863 kB, Installed size: 6724 kB |
| 11:45.24 | Guerin | oh, i see |
| 11:45.26 | peterS | Miesco: I can't remember |
| 11:45.33 | [Blackheart] | Guerin what are you writing for thesis on? |
| 11:45.36 | Guerin | i have emacs for that bidness |
| 11:45.43 | [Blackheart] | your* |
| 11:46.00 | Guerin | [Blackheart]: the motives and consequences of leader-tyrant comparisons |
| 11:46.10 | x_link | Guerin: Okey. |
| 11:46.12 | [Blackheart] | cool |
| 11:46.16 | cydork | Guerin: i love emacs too. but then you actully have to learn some things. i am a lazy ass :P |
| 11:46.19 | simonrvn | Guerin: well written |
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| 11:46.21 | Guerin | [Blackheart]: in non-polisci speak; why leaders get compared to hitler |
| 11:46.24 | Miesco | Guerin: Yea me to |
| 11:46.33 | vin` | simonrvn: he hasn't started yet. |
| 11:46.50 | Guerin | vin`: have so! I have a mind map which fills a whole a4 page! |
| 11:46.54 | simonrvn | hush you, you know not of what i speak |
| 11:47.06 | [Blackheart] | how long have you spent on it so far? im thinking about doing a PhD, finishing my honours degree soon but I dont know about time constraints for PhD |
| 11:47.13 | vin` | Guerin: ooh. ;) |
| 11:47.20 | blue_lizard | hello all |
| 11:47.33 | blue_lizard | i have an problem on debian sid with the gutenprint drivers |
| 11:47.40 | Guerin | [Blackheart]: i'm still finishing a Grad Dip, so it's not even approved yet. |
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| 11:47.57 | [Blackheart] | I see |
| 11:47.58 | blue_lizard | i hope i have veerything installed but the drivers are not apperaring in the web interface of cups |
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| 11:48.31 | peterS | Guerin: exploring a tangent to Godwin's Law, then, eh? |
| 11:48.49 | Guerin | peterS: precisely. |
| 11:49.15 | lord_rob | blue_lizard: have you installed gutenprint via apt-get ? |
| 11:49.28 | blue_lizard | lord_rob: yes |
| 11:49.35 | Guerin | peterS: http://feayn.org/~lewis/clarkvader.jpeg; http://no2id.net/resources/images/BlairBarcode.jpg; etc |
| 11:49.46 | dererk[w] | Good and rainy morning/Buenas y lluviosas manianas! ?=¬) |
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| 11:50.20 | Guerin | peterS: the head on the first one is NZ's PM Helen Clark, widely reputed to be a dictator |
| 11:50.30 | simonrvn | 404 on the latter |
| 11:50.33 | Guerin | peterS: they call Wellington Helengrad |
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| 11:50.41 | peterS | helengrad, har har |
| 11:51.10 | possie | anyone that knows a good way to store passwords securely, with multiple admins ? |
| 11:51.22 | Guerin | possie: blood pact |
| 11:51.42 | peterS | a blood pact with an ldap backend, maybe |
| 11:51.49 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:52.14 | Guerin | huh, they took that down in the last 24h |
| 11:52.15 | amico | chroot error while loading shared libraries libc.so.6 input/output error kernel panic: attemp to kill init ? any ideas what i can do to get it to boot? |
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| 11:52.30 | simonrvn | eh |
| 11:52.32 | liable | ouch |
| 11:52.41 | amico | :) |
| 11:52.42 | x_link | ghrmmm. I think my /home directory is to small when I open it. So I make it bigger then I go to Settings, Save View Profile "File Managment" and I choose Save. |
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| 11:53.05 | x_link | But when I close it and re-open it then it still have the old sizew. |
| 11:53.13 | x_link | Size. |
| 11:53.27 | x_link | Is that not how to make the folder bigger ? |
| 11:53.40 | Guerin | http://www.trevor-mendham.com/images/BlairBarcode.jpg is a live one |
| 11:53.42 | possie | Guerin, have you got a homepage for me, googling for it doesn't really get me anywere |
| 11:53.55 | simonrvn | you need to select the save size of window in profile checkbox |
| 11:54.26 | amico | any ideas on what i can do? |
| 11:54.48 | simonrvn | doh! i miss copied the uri of the 2nd so i missed the h in http ... |
| 11:54.54 | Guerin | possie: instructions for a blood pact: ingredients: 2 or more people; one very sharp knife. Make a cut on the balm of each right hand. Clasp hands and both parties swear: "If you tell anyone else the password I'll fucking kill you." |
| 11:55.09 | Guerin | s/balm/palm/ *sigh* |
| 11:55.13 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:56.14 | x_link | simonrvn: Ahhh, you're right. I forgot about that one. Thanks "! |
| 11:56.15 | x_link | hehe |
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| 11:58.32 | rpc | hm, does anyone know if there is an amule package for debian? |
| 11:58.41 | x_link | I will buy this computer if I win the auction, I will proberly win it. |
| 11:58.42 | Miesco | peterS: So what is the meta key? |
| 11:58.51 | possie | Guerin, ah a found a nice 'blood pact' ldaps extension thanks |
| 11:59.01 | rpc | x_link if you are fast enough then yes ;) |
| 11:59.07 | peterS | Miesco: that's kind of a meta question, no pun intended. what do you mean 'what is the meta key'? what is the matrix? |
| 11:59.08 | Guerin | possie: good googling |
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| 11:59.31 | possie | Guerin, :-) but serrious ? we got like 10 Admins here |
| 12:00.11 | Miesco | peterS: Whats the keysym for meta? |
| 12:00.20 | Guerin | possie: use keys? |
| 12:00.25 | peterS | Miesco: 'Meta_L' and 'Meta_R'. I only use Meta_L. |
| 12:00.35 | possie | Guerin, ssh keys? |
| 12:00.49 | x_link | rpc: I will paste the specs to pastebin.ca. So that you can take a look at it and tell me if my Debian testin KDE 3.5 kernel 2.6 will run good on it. |
| 12:01.02 | peterS | possie: the common solution is to give each admin access to 'sudo' and then he only has to know his own user password, nobody really needs the actual root password |
| 12:01.02 | Guerin | possie: I'd probably enforce ssh key+passphrase for each admin's user account, and give them more or less unrestricted sudo. |
| 12:01.20 | Guerin | possie: and it goes without saying that only ssh logins would be allowed |
| 12:01.24 | Miesco | peterS: I put Meta_R to Escape, is that right? |
| 12:01.36 | simonrvn | eh, why? |
| 12:01.37 | peterS | Miesco: no, you put it to the key formerly known as alt |
| 12:01.39 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/200816 |
| 12:01.46 | x_link | That is the computer I proberly will buy. |
| 12:02.02 | x_link | I didn't write there that the RAM is 400MHz. |
| 12:02.03 | Guerin | simonrvn: remote logins I mean. no actual sitting at the terminal which 10 people might want to use. |
| 12:02.12 | possie | peterS, so where do you keep the actual root password? |
| 12:02.13 | peterS | Miesco: so for example on my keyboard 'keycode 64 = Meta_L' would map the left alt key to Meta_L |
| 12:02.21 | x_link | Can somebody please take a look at it and tell me if Linux will run good on it ? |
| 12:02.26 | x_link | Other wise I will not buy it. |
| 12:02.27 | peterS | possie: in /etc/passwd, or just disable it entirely if you want |
| 12:02.58 | simonrvn | Guerin: no :). meta_r to esc =) |
| 12:03.03 | peterS | x_link: I don't know why it wouldn't work |
| 12:03.05 | Guerin | oh |
| 12:03.06 | rpc | x_link just paste in PM, no probs with that |
| 12:03.19 | x_link | Okey. |
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| 12:03.39 | possie | peterS, hmmm |
| 12:03.39 | tralala | x_link: it should be fine |
| 12:03.42 | simonrvn | aah, there. 8h00 |
| 12:03.50 | simonrvn | (03) |
| 12:04.02 | x_link | tralala: Okey. Thanks alot. |
| 12:04.16 | x_link | Cause a guy told me that KDE almost "laggs" on all machines. |
| 12:04.40 | x_link | I know that KDE uses more CPU/RAM than GNOMe, Xfce etc. But it can't be lagging on that machine I just pasted ? |
| 12:04.42 | tralala | x_link: it won't lag on this one. At least not yet. |
| 12:04.51 | x_link | Okey. Great! |
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| 12:05.06 | possie | peterS, you do that on all your machines? |
| 12:05.13 | x_link | Cause it laggs a bit on this P II 450MHz, 512MB PC100, 16MB video card. lol |
| 12:05.29 | peterS | possie: I don't have multiple admins so I don't bother |
| 12:06.45 | Guerin | i just trust my co-admin on the one shared machine |
| 12:06.51 | wols | kde and gnome use about the same amount of ram imho. xfce and others are leaner |
| 12:06.52 | tralala | x_link: you'll notice that two generations and 2GHz more make a difference |
| 12:07.06 | Daveman | Hi PeterS :) |
| 12:07.10 | Guerin | i've known him since we were kids, so it's no big thang |
| 12:07.12 | peterS | dave. |
| 12:07.19 | x_link | tralala: Yeah. |
| 12:07.29 | x_link | tralala: $106 USD is also cheap for it, right ? |
| 12:07.44 | x_link | The hdd is 2 months old and the video card was almost new also. |
| 12:07.49 | tralala | x_link: 106 is cheap enough to have you worried |
| 12:08.08 | amico | anyone? chroot error while loading shared libraries libc.so.6 input/output error kernel panic: attemp to kill init ? any ideas what i can do to get it to boot? is there a way for me to run fsck prior file system being mounted? |
| 12:08.18 | Guerin | !i/o error |
| 12:08.18 | dpkg | i/o error is probably if you get i/o errors chances are your medium is bad. Replace your drives or disks, preferably before they eat all your data. |
| 12:08.29 | lord_rob | x_link: KDE uses more CPU/RAM than GNOMe ? I find the opposite |
| 12:08.31 | Guerin | amico: ↑ to the shop with ye |
| 12:08.58 | tralala | lord_rob: no kde vs gnome wars, please |
| 12:09.07 | lord_rob | ok :) |
| 12:09.09 | Guerin | !start a wm war |
| 12:09.09 | dpkg | twm blows! |
| 12:09.15 | Guerin | dpkg: sure does |
| 12:09.19 | amico | Guerin: bad drive? |
| 12:09.26 | Guerin | amico: bad as in dead |
| 12:09.37 | amico | lol |
| 12:09.52 | Guerin | amico: kiss your data byebye unless you're prepared to have someone put it in a vacuum chamber and read it off it by bit |
| 12:09.53 | x_link | lord_rob: I just heard that. |
| 12:10.08 | x_link | I like KDE alot more then GNOME, I just heard that KDE uses more resources. |
| 12:10.12 | x_link | So that's not true then ? |
| 12:10.14 | amico | its a cluster node!!! |
| 12:10.21 | amico | so im lucky |
| 12:10.38 | wols | x_link: as I said, it's about the same |
| 12:10.40 | lord_rob | x_link: I don't think so, but I haven't played with gnome a lot |
| 12:10.55 | x_link | wols: Okey. |
| 12:11.08 | amico | thanks Guerin... |
| 12:11.09 | x_link | lord_rob: Okey. I tried it like 2-3 times and I didn't like it at all. |
| 12:11.24 | amico | dint know if there was posibilities |
| 12:12.07 | x_link | But Xfce, flux/blackbox. How about those ? I heard that those does not use much CPU/RAM at all, not like GNOME, KDE. |
| 12:12.10 | x_link | Is that true ? |
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| 12:12.18 | wols | x_link: yes |
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| 12:12.22 | x_link | I tried them also once, didn't like those neither. |
| 12:12.25 | wols | xfce a bit more than *box |
| 12:12.27 | moty66 | hello, is it possibile to make the symbol link from /var/spool/mail/username to /dev/null ? |
| 12:12.32 | wols | it's all a matter of degrees |
| 12:12.33 | lord_rob | x_link: yes, xfce is also said to be very light |
| 12:12.39 | x_link | Okey. |
| 12:12.43 | Miesco | peterS: Would this work: xmodmap -e "keysym Alt_L = Meta_L Alt_L" |
| 12:12.46 | Guerin | s/very/reasonably/ |
| 12:12.55 | x_link | lord_rob: degress ? What do you mean ? |
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| 12:13.01 | Guerin | very light is evilwm |
| 12:13.08 | Guerin | x_link: ° |
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| 12:13.23 | x_link | Guerin: Okey. |
| 12:13.47 | x_link | Guerin: Of the CPU then I guess. |
| 12:13.50 | lord_rob | x_link: what machine do you have ? |
| 12:13.58 | x_link | lord_rob: A shitty one |
| 12:14.01 | Guerin | x_link: cpu/ram/etc overheads |
| 12:14.04 | x_link | I got another one also, but not there. |
| 12:14.28 | x_link | lord_rob: This is a Intel PII 450MHz, 512MB PC100, 16MB video card, 32x CD-RW burner. |
| 12:14.34 | x_link | Okey. |
| 12:14.38 | x_link | Guerin: Okey. |
| 12:14.57 | lord_rob | x_link: I have a quite old athlon 900 MHz with 896 megs of ram, quite old machine. KDE 3.5.5 runs fine (not to say that gnome wouldn't run fine) |
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| 12:15.33 | x_link | I got a hdd fan the other day, somebody told me that hdds doesn't need that. So I put it right under my CPU, that hdd fan has two fans on it. So it is now blowing pretty much air on the CPU. Will that make my Black Card CPu cooler ? |
| 12:15.34 | lord_rob | x_link: it should be ok for kde and gnome |
| 12:16.31 | wols | x_link: you shouldn't give too much on what all those "someones" tell you. Start thinking for yourself for a start |
| 12:16.44 | wols | and: the cooler a hdd is, the longer it lives (simplified) |
| 12:17.00 | wols | and what is a "Black Card CPU"? |
| 12:17.02 | x_link | wols: Okey. |
| 12:17.16 | x_link | wols: I think they are called like that. |
| 12:17.17 | lord_rob | x_link: best to do is try a live cd, like knoppix, kanotix or ubuntu live cd. |
| 12:17.27 | x_link | Okey. |
| 12:17.31 | wols | what is "they"? |
| 12:17.43 | x_link | That kind of CPU's. |
| 12:17.46 | peterS | Miesco: what's up with asking whether something would work rather than just trying it? |
| 12:17.51 | wols | wich are? |
| 12:17.54 | x_link | I will try to google it now. To show you a picture. |
| 12:17.59 | wols | a PII. that's a slot1 cpu |
| 12:18.03 | x_link | wols: The kind of CPU that I use, my P II |
| 12:18.10 | x_link | wols: Ahhh that's right. |
| 12:18.19 | x_link | I don't know where I got the black card from. hehehe |
| 12:18.30 | x_link | brb |
| 12:18.39 | x_link | btw. |
| 12:18.43 | wols | make the case as a whole cooler. and hdd is coolded depending on its actual temp |
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| 12:18.55 | x_link | Thanks ALOT for the help wols lord_rob . |
| 12:18.56 | Miesco | peterS: It doesn't work |
| 12:19.05 | peterS | x_link: by the way, this channel isn't intended for discussions of hardware mods. this channel is for discussing Debian. the two don't have much in common. |
| 12:19.05 | x_link | I REALLY appreciate the help and support you guys give me. |
| 12:19.06 | saintiss | hi |
| 12:19.17 | saintiss | is there a file which is sourced upon login BEFORE the shell is launched? |
| 12:19.22 | x_link | peterS: Okey. I will keep that inmind. |
| 12:19.26 | k-man | do i have to do something special to get macromedia flash audio to work? |
| 12:19.27 | saintiss | e.g. to make something appear before "last login:" ? |
| 12:19.29 | x_link | brb |
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| 12:20.11 | kingsley | saintiss: Do you use the shell named "bash"? |
| 12:20.49 | peterS | saintiss: one thing you can do to prevent extraneous stuff being printed is to create a file called .hushlogin in your home directory. I do that everywhere, it's great |
| 12:20.57 | saintiss | kingsley, yes |
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| 12:21.05 | eleftherios | any pointers on how one can get ipw2200 working on etch? I can't find much on googlr |
| 12:21.06 | peterS | saintiss: contents of .hushlogin don't matter, I just have it as an empty file |
| 12:21.10 | IndridCold_ | hi |
| 12:21.12 | IndridCold_ | I get an error message when I am starting a daemon |
| 12:21.13 | IndridCold_ | that says "net_ip is write protected" |
| 12:21.15 | IndridCold_ | im wondering if this is because the port is not set to be active in debian |
| 12:21.17 | IndridCold_ | ? |
| 12:21.29 | saintiss | peterS, I want the opposite, I want to *add* something to the stuff being printed, but it has to be printed before "last login:" |
| 12:21.29 | Miesco | peterS: I sort of got it to work, but I can not hold alt and hit 1 2 3 and switch through 3 windows |
| 12:21.45 | kingsley | saintiss: I don't know the answer to your question, but you may want to try asking it on the channel named "#bash". |
| 12:22.07 | peterS | Miesco: I have no idea what you're talking about, but whatever feature you're talking about sounds like it's very specific to a particular window manager |
| 12:22.58 | saintiss | aha, /etc/motd seems to do it |
| 12:23.05 | peterS | Miesco: so the solution to what you want to do probably lies in configuring that window manager |
| 12:23.27 | Miesco | peterS: Well I know it worked in KDE, but I haven't tried it yet, let me try |
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| 12:24.12 | saintiss | hmm... which package is responsible for creating /etc/motd? |
| 12:24.17 | saintiss | it doesn't seem to be owned by any |
| 12:24.41 | streuner | saintiss: man motd, man login |
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| 12:26.33 | saintiss | streuner, how doest that help me to find out which package it belongs to? |
| 12:26.40 | saintiss | dpkg -L login | grep motd returns nothing |
| 12:26.41 | dpkg | No packages found matching login | grep motd returns nothing |
| 12:27.01 | streuner | saintiss: read before answer |
| 12:27.02 | blue_lizard | saintiss: apt-file search /etc/motd |
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| 12:27.44 | saintiss | blue_lizard, returns nothing |
| 12:27.57 | blue_lizard | saintiss: i know |
| 12:28.03 | saintiss | streuner, man motd provides no useful info, man login just says it will execute /etc/motd |
| 12:28.09 | blue_lizard | i hope you updated your apt-file |
| 12:28.28 | dgp | I have a user that is used to do a nightly backup user rsync.. is it possible to give that user privileges to read most/all files but not make it basically root? |
| 12:28.30 | blue_lizard | but it seems no package claims responsibillity for the file |
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| 12:28.50 | saintiss | blue_lizard, right... so it is tricky to find out which package creates it, right? |
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| 12:29.16 | Guerin | i think motd is created by an init script |
| 12:29.29 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:29.35 | Guerin | it doesn't come IN the package, it's created BY it |
| 12:29.46 | saintiss | Guerin, point is, the file has misteriously disappeared from my system, and I want to find out how to get the default one back |
| 12:29.48 | blue_lizard | rofl |
| 12:29.50 | Guerin | but I couldn't tell you which package, or it could potentially be a number of them |
| 12:29.58 | Guerin | saintiss: oh. |
| 12:30.04 | blue_lizard | so changing it is forbidden because may be overwritten |
| 12:30.09 | simonrvn | goes in /var/run/motd |
| 12:30.16 | Guerin | blue_lizard: not forbidden - just pointless |
| 12:30.24 | blue_lizard | Guerin: ok ok ok |
| 12:30.44 | saintiss | ah, /var/run/motd? |
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| 12:30.54 | saintiss | then it's probably disappeared by executing bootclean.sh :) |
| 12:31.11 | eleftherios | I have the ipw2200 modules installed (as shown in lsmod) but ifconfig doesn't show me any wireless devices. Any pointers please? |
| 12:32.18 | streuner | saintiss: grep -i motd /etc/init.d/* |
| 12:33.21 | saintiss | right |
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| 12:33.21 | saintiss | thanks |
| 12:33.33 | saintiss | eleftherios, try iwconfig instead |
| 12:33.34 | streuner | initscripts: /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 12:33.53 | eleftherios | saintiss, it is not installed on my system and I can't find it with apt-cache |
| 12:34.03 | saintiss | eleftherios, insteall wireless-tools |
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| 12:36.15 | Chandu | hi |
| 12:36.44 | wess | does anyone now where i can find ebooks about wlan in german? |
| 12:36.51 | Chandu | I want to know whether we can make the normal ext3 partition as LVM |
| 12:37.12 | simonrvn | no, lvm first, then partition |
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| 12:37.22 | simonrvn | though you can put lvm on a partition |
| 12:37.58 | eleftherios | saintiss, I'll try that, thanks |
| 12:38.11 | moty66 | anubody knows how to make a symbolic link from /var/spool/mail/user to /dev/null ? I tried ln -s /dev/null /var/spool/mail/user but sendmail rename the link and recreate the mailbox ! |
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| 12:38.50 | simonrvn | better to fix so that it doesn't deliver there, instead of using bad hacks |
| 12:38.50 | eleftherios | saintiss, but now my problem is for wireless to show up on ifconfig |
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| 12:39.36 | Chandu | simonrvn: ok then can I create lvm parition while installing debian using debian installer |
| 12:39.44 | simonrvn | making an assumption here, but can iwconfig be used like ifconfig to display wifi/wlan/whatever you call it ifaces? |
| 12:39.54 | simonrvn | Chandu: for sure. just specify it |
| 12:39.57 | black_13 | what packages do i need to install to get xfree? |
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| 12:40.08 | simonrvn | black_13: sarge? |
| 12:40.11 | moty66 | simonrvn, is there a solution ? |
| 12:40.31 | simonrvn | moty66: for you to figure out what you want to do |
| 12:40.40 | Chandu | simonrvn, I dint get you |
| 12:40.45 | simonrvn | using /dev/null is obviously not going to work |
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| 12:41.57 | simonrvn | Chandu: you'll see it and understand it when you get to it. or see the install guide |
| 12:42.06 | Chandu | simonrvn, ok |
| 12:42.09 | moty66 | simonrvn, hrmm, someuse used to send email from severs over enternet and in the headers he wrote return_path: myemail address, and I recieve about 10,000 per day ! |
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| 12:44.47 | simonrvn | Chandu: |
| 12:44.53 | simonrvn | !tell Chandu about ig |
| 12:45.09 | wols | moty66: the solution is to not even accept the mail if possible |
| 12:45.12 | wols | or a spamfilter |
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| 12:45.18 | simonrvn | you mind reader |
| 12:45.19 | wols | or a procmail script. or... |
| 12:46.01 | wols | moty66: do you happen to know who joe-jobbed you? |
| 12:46.11 | wols | if so, forward the mail to them |
| 12:46.24 | moty66 | no, they use open proxy and injected mails |
| 12:46.27 | wols | (if you can afford the traffic this will cause) |
| 12:46.38 | wols | of course they do, but it's spam. it advertises something |
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| 12:46.48 | wols | unless it's a pump'n'dump I guess |
| 12:47.06 | moty66 | when I disable the mailbox, sendmail gives this in the log |
| 12:47.07 | moty66 | Oct 13 13:12:12 ns1 sm-mta[15030]: k9DBCCwQ015030: SYSERR(root): rewrite: excessive recursion (max 50), ruleset canonify |
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| 12:47.17 | simonrvn | fuck |
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| 12:47.29 | simonrvn | really getting hammered |
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| 12:47.43 | wols | simonrvn: ? |
| 12:47.59 | simonrvn | moty66 |
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| 12:48.08 | moty66 | yesterday I received in 1 h about 10,000 email, |
| 12:48.36 | wols | moty66: use a better MTA. one you understand how to use |
| 12:48.42 | simonrvn | someone found a weakness and is trying to take you down, or trying to use you as a relay, or som other crap |
| 12:48.45 | wols | and don't accept mail for the user |
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| 12:49.04 | wols | simonrvn: it's a "simple" joe job it seems. |
| 12:49.04 | simonrvn | set an outright deny on that account |
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| 12:49.10 | moty66 | I don't have open relay |
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| 12:49.12 | simonrvn | large scale |
| 12:49.28 | simonrvn | didn't say you did |
| 12:49.35 | IndridCold_ | are ports automatically blocked until you enable them in debian ? |
| 12:49.41 | wols | moty66: as I said: don't eevn accept mail on that account. cheapest for you traffic wise |
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| 12:50.02 | simonrvn | IndridCold_: they are closed until a daemon listens on them. |
| 12:50.15 | simonrvn | then you either actively filter it, or nothing is listening |
| 12:50.23 | wols | there are about 6 lines of traffic (200bytes or so) not a several kB sized mail |
| 12:50.26 | IndridCold_ | im getting a problem binding to ports on the stack for eth0 |
| 12:50.35 | moty66 | wols, I did this, but I don't think that it is the best solution ! |
| 12:50.40 | IndridCold_ | daemon says "net_ip is write protected" |
| 12:50.52 | wols | moty66: it certainly beats linking your inbox to /dev/null |
| 12:50.58 | wols | moty66: why is it not good? |
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| 12:51.20 | moty66 | wols, I must find a soulution outside of my mailserver, but i dont know what is it :) |
| 12:51.25 | wols | IndridCold_: what daemon, what port and under which account do you start it? |
| 12:51.33 | simonrvn | and symlinking the box to /dev/null is better? |
| 12:51.33 | wols | moty66: there is none |
| 12:51.52 | moty66 | :( |
| 12:52.02 | wols | as I said: rejecting mail costs you about 200 bytes per mail tops |
| 12:52.09 | simonrvn | IndridCold_: ports under 1024 need root privs to bind to |
| 12:52.16 | wols | accepting it and routing it to dev/null costs 2-3kB per mail |
| 12:52.20 | wols | so what is better |
| 12:52.36 | moty66 | disable it :) |
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| 12:52.39 | wols | at least 2-3kB btw |
| 12:52.44 | moty66 | but what does this loh means |
| 12:52.45 | moty66 | Oct 13 14:50:21 ns1 sm-mta[27612]: k9DCoKnC027612: SYSERR(root): rewrite: excessive recursion (max 50), ruleset canonify |
| 12:52.51 | wols | you mean disabling your MTA? that's good too |
| 12:52.53 | simonrvn | 200 bytes? if that, if you reject at RCPT or connect |
| 12:53.29 | moty66 | I can't a wols, because there are 100 users on this serve :( |
| 12:53.30 | wols | simonrvn: ehlo, mail from, rcpt to. each plus answers. 6 lines, 200 bytes max (generously) |
| 12:53.45 | wols | then finally disable that account. how often do we have to tell you? |
| 12:54.01 | moty66 | It is right now, it is disabled !!! |
| 12:54.10 | moty66 | but i keep seeing these logs |
| 12:54.24 | wols | then it's not disabled.MTA still accepts them |
| 12:54.46 | wols | a non existing address is immediately rejected. see my comment above |
| 12:54.56 | wols | !sendmail |
| 12:54.56 | dpkg | i guess sendmail is one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
| 12:55.16 | wols | dpkg is wise. follow his advice |
| 12:56.21 | moty66 | HEHEH |
| 12:56.40 | moty66 | dpkg, I love u :X |
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| 13:00.50 | moty66 | I dont understand why MTA accept the messages |
| 13:00.52 | moty66 | ns1:/etc/mail# cat virtusertable | grep myemail@mydomain.com |
| 13:00.59 | moty66 | gives me nothing :( |
| 13:01.47 | wols | where is sendmail "rewrite" configured? |
| 13:01.53 | wols | the logs points there |
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| 13:02.29 | moty66 | i found something |
| 13:02.31 | moty66 | :( |
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| 13:06.00 | CAiRO | darn, something in my system constantly turns on the error beeps .. every day i turn them off with xset (i don't reboot, i keep my desktop open and running all the time) |
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| 13:11.35 | IndridCold_ | daemon is: cod2-lnxded, port is 28960 |
| 13:12.25 | IndridCold_ | telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused |
| 13:12.32 | IndridCold_ | if I try and connect to it |
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| 13:12.47 | lord_rob | CAiRO: unload pcspkr module :) |
| 13:13.15 | CAiRO | lord_rob: well, then i won't get any beeps at all.. i want beeps from xchat when somebody mentions my nick |
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| 13:13.36 | jahshua | hello |
| 13:13.39 | CAiRO | but no (useless) error beeps when i press backspace too often in the terminal |
| 13:14.06 | CAiRO | i mean i see what happens, i wonder who thought it was a good idea to beep when backspace is pressed too often |
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| 13:14.25 | jahshua | can anyone please help me out with stopping this beep i get when i boot up and the gdm comes on? it also beeps in terminals in X when i hit backspace or tab complete etc.. |
| 13:14.29 | vorsprung | CAiRO, yes I find that annoying too |
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| 13:14.41 | vorsprung | CAiRO, I'll see if I can see a way to turn it off |
| 13:14.42 | jahshua | i know how to use xset b off, but i want to stop it altogether. |
| 13:15.29 | CAiRO | vorsprung: you can use xset to turn it off (gxset if you want a gui).. but since i've swtiched to gnome, something on my system turns those beeps on again |
| 13:15.34 | CAiRO | and i don't know what |
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| 13:16.56 | CAiRO | jahshua: lord_rob said "."unload pcspkr module :) |
| 13:17.08 | CAiRO | funny coincidence that we've both been asking the same thing |
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| 13:17.30 | vorsprung | CAiRO, surely that will turn off all beeps? |
| 13:17.52 | chemaja | trying to get `dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xorg' to actually regenerate my corrupted xorg.conf -- how? |
| 13:17.54 | jahshua | sorry CAiR0, i just connected to my bnc, i havent seen anything you typed. |
| 13:17.58 | saad3000 | hy, I connected the webcam into the usb and lsusb shows it but it didn't create video0 in /dev any ideas? |
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| 13:18.04 | CAiRO | vorsprung: i don't know, it was jahshua's proposal |
| 13:18.11 | wols | !tell chemaja about xorgmd5 |
| 13:18.36 | CAiRO | vorsprung: i know (in the past) beeps could be turned off using xset but as we've agreed, that's not enough anymore |
| 13:18.45 | chemaja | wols: guru, thanks. |
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| 13:20.43 | chemaja | wols: what if there *is* no xorg.conf? do i need to `> /etc/X11/xorg.conf' first, and then do your method? |
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| 13:21.19 | cydork | chemaja: did you delete it ? :P |
| 13:21.19 | chemaja | wols: i would have thought that purging and reinstalling xorg package and all its deps would have regenereated a valid xorg.conf but, no it just created a zero-byte xorg.conf :( |
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| 13:21.25 | chemaja | cydork: effectively |
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| 13:22.10 | cydork | chemaja: run dexconf |
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| 13:22.31 | saad3000 | hello? |
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| 13:23.58 | chemaja | *gasp* -- the method xorgmd5 doesn't work for a zero'd xorg.conf |
| 13:24.18 | xored | how to mount a fat drive, so that its not owned by "root" mroe by a user1 ( unprivileged ) |
| 13:24.19 | stew | chemaja: it should |
| 13:24.40 | stew | xored: "man mount" go to the vfat section, /msg dpkg vfatrw |
| 13:25.16 | chemaja | stew: :-( |
| 13:25.24 | vorsprung | CAiRO, I have nearly got it to work. Just bear with me |
| 13:25.25 | chemaja | cydork: guru x2 -- dexconf saved it |
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| 13:25.45 | CAiRO | vorsprung: what did you do? |
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| 13:26.20 | jahshua | cairo apparently we need to kill the speaker volume at the kernel level... |
| 13:26.24 | xored | stew: gid=, uid .. is not working somehow |
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| 13:27.06 | fmarostica | Is there some package for postfix uce? |
| 13:27.12 | stew | xored: give us more info, like the mount command you are using or the fstab line you are using |
| 13:27.25 | CAiRO | jahshua: the hard thing is actually to get the beeps you want but not to get the superfluous ones |
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| 13:28.01 | xored | stew: /dev/sda4 /mnt/fat32 vfat noatime,auto,user,gid=1000,umask=002,nosuid 0 0 |
| 13:28.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 13:28.09 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 13:28.12 | boguh | hi, when i try grub-install /dev/hde i get this error /dev/hde4: Not found or not a block device. |
| 13:28.24 | saad3000 | xored: add uid=1000 |
| 13:28.40 | saad3000 | remount. |
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| 13:28.54 | stew | xored: that looks like it should work as long as you are trying with a user in the 1000 group |
| 13:29.17 | stew | xored: you have unmounted and remounted since adding the gid/umask, right? |
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| 13:29.45 | xored | stew: ofc |
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| 13:30.44 | vorsprung | CAiRO, it should be possible to set "bell-style=none" in bash |
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| 13:30.55 | vorsprung | CAiRO, but it doesn't want to work for me :/ |
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| 13:31.04 | xored | stew: still the same |
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| 13:31.17 | xored | stew: drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 16K 13. Okt 14:59 fat32/ |
| 13:31.23 | xored | stew: thats after mounting |
| 13:31.35 | stew | xored: how are you mounting it? |
| 13:31.57 | xored | iam logged in as user1 |
| 13:32.05 | xored | typing mount /mnt/fat32 |
| 13:32.09 | stew | hrm |
| 13:32.33 | CAiRO | vorsprung: well, why in bash? if you use xset and turn off beeps, do you still get any? or do you use the console without a desktop? |
| 13:32.54 | xored | is the fstab cached or smth ? |
| 13:33.05 | vorsprung | CAiRO, ok ok |
| 13:33.27 | vorsprung | CAiRO, there is a sub system called "readline" that lots of programs use for input of lines of text |
| 13:33.30 | jahshua | i want all beeps gone... what can i do? |
| 13:33.39 | vorsprung | CAiRO, you can alter the behaviour of readline |
| 13:33.41 | tralala | xored: do you have the option user for this mount? |
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| 13:33.46 | jahshua | how do i turn off the kernel speaker module? |
| 13:33.46 | stew | jahshua: /msg dpkg bell |
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| 13:34.00 | xored | tralala: yes |
| 13:34.10 | jahshua | stew not just the bell in X. |
| 13:34.12 | xored | tralala: /dev/sda4 /mnt/fat32 vfat noatime,auto,user,uid=1000,gid=1000,umask=002,nosuid 0 0 |
| 13:34.14 | stew | tralala: and that is working, since he is getting it mounted as user, just with the wrong permissions |
| 13:34.18 | stew | jahshua: /msg dpkg bell |
| 13:34.27 | vorsprung | CAiRO, make a file ~/.inputrc with the line "set bell-style none" in it |
| 13:34.44 | tralala | oh, okay |
| 13:34.46 | jahshua | ok thanks. |
| 13:34.49 | grepper | I appear to have an installed package that is messing up completion when I do apt-get remove foo<tab> : apt-get remove dpkgrep-status: /var/lib/dpkg/status:72697: expected a colon. |
| 13:34.59 | CAiRO | ok, thanks, i've just read the bell entry of the dpkg bot |
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| 13:35.09 | vorsprung | CAiRO, any new bash that you launch...and I would guess anything else that uses readline...will not go beep |
| 13:35.16 | black_13 | ever time i researt my debian system my /etc/resolv.conf file is reset what causes this? |
| 13:35.37 | grepper | anyone have an idea how to solve this ? grep-status seems to have a bug as well: its line number reporting in errors is bogus |
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| 13:35.57 | CAiRO | vorsprung: lol, my /etc/inputrc already has a line "set bell-style none" |
| 13:36.13 | xored | stew: what is nosuid doing ? |
| 13:36.17 | vorsprung | CAiRO, heh looks like I could have saved 5 minutes work if I'd have known about that dpkg entry |
| 13:36.21 | CAiRO | vorsprung: it still beeps in gnome-terminal when i dont use the xset method.. and even with the xset method, after a while, it starts beeping again |
| 13:36.21 | saad3000 | anyone could help me with connecting this usb webcam here??/ |
| 13:36.36 | vorsprung | CAiRO, hmm |
| 13:36.44 | CAiRO | that is my actual problem |
| 13:36.48 | CAiRO | xset works, but only for a whle |
| 13:36.50 | CAiRO | while |
| 13:36.50 | stew | xored: in general it means you won't allow suid binaries on the partition, in this case nothing |
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| 13:37.02 | xored | stew: a clear |
| 13:37.04 | vorsprung | CAiRO, I run gnome terminal and the .inputrc thing seems to work for me |
| 13:37.06 | Shadowcat | you knwo stew |
| 13:37.17 | Shadowcat | I was bloody gonna clarify before you silenced me |
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| 13:37.19 | Shadowcat | and it's been 10 min |
| 13:37.21 | Shadowcat | so remove it |
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| 13:38.01 | CAiRO | vorsprung: well, good for you, i hope it says like that over there |
| 13:39.00 | jahshua | stew that didnt work unfortunately. :( |
| 13:39.24 | xored | stew: any suggestions ? |
| 13:39.44 | Shadowcat | sigh jahshua |
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| 13:39.47 | Shadowcat | I already told you what to do |
| 13:39.57 | Shadowcat | kill the pc speaker module at the kernel level |
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| 13:39.57 | Shadowcat | problem solved |
| 13:40.25 | jahshua | frShadowcat, |
| 13:40.27 | jahshua | oops |
| 13:40.31 | Orfeous | hi! i am looking for something that can log and show MAC-addresses that passes through my debian firewall |
| 13:40.41 | jahshua | Shadowcat, yes i know im searching guide pages on how to do that right now. |
| 13:40.48 | jahshua | havent found it yet. |
| 13:40.58 | Shadowcat | a guide on how to remove a module? |
| 13:41.03 | Shadowcat | lsmod, rmmod <module> |
| 13:41.04 | Shadowcat | done |
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| 13:41.08 | jahshua | yes :( |
| 13:41.13 | Shadowcat | you don't need a guide to remove a module |
| 13:41.14 | eleftherios | is anyone here using ipw2200? I have been trying to get it to work for hours and I still get error messages, I am on Debian etch, any help appreciated |
| 13:41.16 | jahshua | ok |
| 13:41.24 | jahshua | what would the module name be? |
| 13:41.25 | eleftherios | dmesg shows: ipw2200: Unable to load boot firmware: -12 |
| 13:42.02 | jahshua | nm, ill find it. |
| 13:42.09 | Shadowcat | eleftherios: so download the firmware |
| 13:42.17 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, I already have |
| 13:42.28 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, it is already in the directory hotplug searches |
| 13:42.40 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, I have even tried renaming the files |
| 13:42.43 | Shadowcat | apparently not |
| 13:42.49 | Shadowcat | or you wouldn't be getting an error |
| 13:43.01 | Orfeous | maybe like ethereal or something.. |
| 13:43.22 | stew | Shadowcat: don't ever do that again, whether you are going to clarify or not. he was actually about to execute that command but luckly asked someone first. |
| 13:44.05 | Shadowcat | right |
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| 13:44.42 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, well I have checked /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent FIRMWARE_DIRS="/lib/firmware /usr/local/lib/firmware /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware" and I have placed the firmware in /usr/lib/hotplug/firmware |
| 13:45.03 | Orfeous | arpwatch might do that i want to.. |
| 13:45.23 | Shadowcat | eleftherios: so place it in the other dirs |
| 13:45.23 | jahshua | stew what command are you referring to? |
| 13:45.24 | Shadowcat | this isn't rocket science, place it in the right place and it'll work |
| 13:45.27 | Shadowcat | otherwise it won't |
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| 13:45.46 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, I have tried that too. I wouldn't be asking here if I hadn't done these basic tests |
| 13:45.58 | Shadowcat | ok you sure you have the right firmware? |
| 13:46.09 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, I have also checked the version of my driver, it is 1.0.8 and I have downloaded the correct firmware |
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| 13:46.21 | stew | jahshua: not here. don't worry about it |
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| 13:46.46 | Shadowcat | jahshua seems to worry about everything concerning me |
| 13:46.59 | Shadowcat | I mean me ignoring you 99% of the time doesn't give you a clue? |
| 13:47.22 | jetscreamer | him wubs j00? |
| 13:47.37 | Shadowcat | that's not really my problem is it now? |
| 13:47.55 | Shadowcat | eleftherios: well as I see it, either it's the module, the firmware, or both |
| 13:48.03 | Shadowcat | if it's the module you're gonna have fun time recompiling |
| 13:48.04 | eleftherios | my IPW2200_VERSION "1.0.8" and I have installed firmware 2.4 as instructed on the download page |
| 13:48.15 | tarzeau | !br |
| 13:48.15 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 13:48.26 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: you're scrolled up |
| 13:48.30 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 13:48.48 | jahshua | hmm |
| 13:48.53 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, yes it is either the module, the firmware, or both |
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| 13:49.01 | eleftherios | any pointers anyone? |
| 13:49.02 | jetscreamer | he is going to stalk you now |
| 13:49.16 | Shadowcat | jetscreamer: highly doubt it as I have ops in the channel he frequents |
| 13:49.17 | Shadowcat | :) |
| 13:49.22 | stew | eleftherios: verify that you really have 1.0.8 with "modinfo ipw2200" |
| 13:49.39 | Shadowcat | not sure how the ipw2200 system works |
| 13:49.45 | Shadowcat | but it shouldn't matter what version firmware you have |
| 13:49.49 | Shadowcat | at least it doesn't in ipw2100 |
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| 13:50.07 | stew | eleftherios: it definately matters what firmware version you have |
| 13:50.14 | stew | eleftherios: what directory did you put the firmware in? |
| 13:50.18 | eleftherios | stew, the version line says version: git-1.1.1 |
| 13:50.30 | stew | eleftherios: then you have 1.1.1 not 1.0.8 |
| 13:50.42 | Shadowcat | ok so I was wrong here |
| 13:50.43 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 13:50.45 | eleftherios | hm, the source files had a different version |
| 13:50.52 | jahshua | Shadowcat, i have done rmmod pcskpkr and rebooted but still no joy. |
| 13:50.53 | eleftherios | that confused me |
| 13:51.06 | jahshua | pcspkr* |
| 13:51.10 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 13:51.16 | Shadowcat | you do realize that rebooting puts it back in? |
| 13:51.22 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: i'm what? |
| 13:51.22 | stew | jahshua: /msg dpkg bell |
| 13:51.23 | jahshua | oh |
| 13:51.25 | Shadowcat | it's a hotplug/udev loaded module |
| 13:51.34 | jahshua | how can i save it? |
| 13:51.38 | jahshua | stew, that didnt work. |
| 13:51.40 | Shadowcat | if you want to blacklist it it's a totally different story |
| 13:51.52 | Shadowcat | stew: easiest way to kill the bell is to kill the pc speaker module |
| 13:51.53 | jetscreamer | rm baybee! |
| 13:52.08 | stew | jahshua: you did both xset b off ; and "setterm -blength 0" ? |
| 13:52.10 | Shadowcat | very few things need it anyway |
| 13:52.13 | jetscreamer | trash that kernel! |
| 13:52.15 | Guerin | Shadowcat: cutting the wire always worked for me |
| 13:52.25 | Shadowcat | Guerin: or that |
| 13:52.26 | jahshua | how can i blacklist it? |
| 13:52.26 | jetscreamer | you just unplug it |
| 13:52.38 | jetscreamer | !tell jahshua -about blacklist |
| 13:52.41 | Shadowcat | jetscreamer: on some motherboards it's soldered onto the board itself |
| 13:52.42 | Guerin | jetscreamer: too subtle |
| 13:52.45 | Shadowcat | like mine |
| 13:52.52 | tarzeau | azeem: sorry for fucking the wiki again |
| 13:52.53 | jahshua | stew, those commands work but i want it to be permanent. |
| 13:53.05 | tarzeau | but if someone says Xfce major and i look at http://people.debian.org/~igloo/popcon-graphs/index.php?packages=xfce4 |
| 13:53.08 | tarzeau | i find it just hilarious |
| 13:53.13 | Shadowcat | Guerin: like me then |
| 13:53.15 | Guerin | had to dig the innards out with a spike |
| 13:53.16 | jetscreamer | i take it jahshua isn't into messages from dpkg |
| 13:53.23 | jahshua | im reading now.. |
| 13:53.31 | Shadowcat | Guerin: or you just kill the module |
| 13:53.36 | Shadowcat | it's not that hard |
| 13:54.10 | azeem | tarzeau: things are finalized for etch now anyway |
| 13:54.12 | jetscreamer | you realize that trashes any hope of hearing extremely lowlevel error messages |
| 13:54.38 | tarzeau | azeem: that's fine. etch is certainly not the last release |
| 13:54.42 | jetscreamer | the pcspeaker origianlly had a purpose |
| 13:55.02 | Shadowcat | jetscreamer: the "pc speaker" on my laptop is hooked into the primary laptop speakers via bell emulation |
| 13:55.10 | Shadowcat | you don't want to hear the BEEP that thing makes |
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| 13:55.23 | jetscreamer | yeh i have a very loud one also |
| 13:55.27 | jetscreamer | on a lappy |
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| 13:56.20 | stew | jahshua: you could put the setterm into /etc/profile, and put xset into your .xsession / .xinitrc. or you can blacklist the pcspkr module: /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 13:56.22 | jahshua | !tell jahshua about blacklist |
| 13:56.31 | stew | jahshua: you can /msg the bot |
| 13:56.31 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 13:56.50 | jahshua | heh i just reconnected. |
| 13:56.54 | jahshua | sorry ;( |
| 13:57.17 | Shadowcat | jahshua: you've been in #linux-noob for two years now and you still haven't learned to use the blootbot system? |
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| 13:57.46 | Kim^J | Ok Ok... Gonna make a install of Debian Netinstall. It's going to act as a dhcp or atleast provide internet for other users. It got double NICs. Is there a guide for this problem? |
| 13:57.47 | jahshua | i dont use the blootbot in there no. |
| 13:58.17 | Shadowcat | Kim^J: first concentrate on installing the system |
| 13:58.24 | Shadowcat | setting up bind and dhcpd comes later |
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| 13:58.32 | eleftherios | stew, thank you |
| 13:58.36 | eleftherios | Shadowcat, thank you too |
| 13:58.41 | Kim^J | Shadowcat, I know howto do that and such. I need a guide so I can do this offline. |
| 13:58.50 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 13:58.54 | Kim^J | Well... THe Debian PC is going to be connected. |
| 13:58.55 | Shadowcat | basic networking book comes to mind |
| 13:59.02 | azeem | tarzeau: I removed your comment again |
| 13:59.09 | Shadowcat | or some Oreilly book on linux networking |
| 13:59.10 | stew | Shadowcat: stop with the "...." its not doing anyone any good |
| 13:59.34 | Shadowcat | I'm sure they all cover how to setup a basic dhcp/dns server |
| 13:59.43 | black_13 | how do i prevent my /etc/resolv.conf being overwritten at boot up? |
| 13:59.45 | Shadowcat | stew: it's not hurting anyone |
| 13:59.53 | Shadowcat | black_13: I think that's by design |
| 14:00.31 | stew | Shadowcat: what is the point of doing it? |
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| 14:00.50 | possie | spontanious reboots, is there away to turn on extra debugging somehow, to find out what might be the problem? |
| 14:00.52 | jetscreamer | black_13: i 'think' that's a function of resolvconf the program... i've seen it talk bout what to do when i installed it once ... i think |
| 14:00.57 | Guerin | black_13: /msg dpkg fixresolvconf |
| 14:01.10 | Guerin | it can be written out by a bunch of things |
| 14:01.19 | Guerin | there are a bunch of ways to fix0r it, too |
| 14:01.24 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 14:02.14 | Guerin | dhclient can do it, for instance. So can pppd, resolvconf or more or less anything |
| 14:02.20 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:02.23 | timalot | why dont u just overwrite it again |
| 14:02.39 | nutcase | Kim^J: if you want to setup a router, perhaps you should take a look at the package dnsmasq |
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| 14:03.02 | Shadowcat | Kim^J: do you know what 10.0.0.0/255.255.0.0 means? |
| 14:03.18 | Kim^J | Shadowcat, Yes |
| 14:03.19 | black_13 | timalot its annoy to edit every time i reboot |
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| 14:03.38 | Shadowcat | and 10.0.0.0/18? |
| 14:03.43 | Kim^J | Study networking in school... it's the debian part i don't reaööy know to much about. |
| 14:03.57 | Guerin | debian networking is 'man interfaces' |
| 14:03.59 | Shadowcat | ok then google for a guide non how to setup NAT in Linux |
| 14:04.02 | Guerin | the rest is generic unix stuff |
| 14:04.05 | Kim^J | It's going to be a 192.168.0.xxx / 255.255.255.0 network |
| 14:04.06 | Shadowcat | on* |
| 14:04.11 | Guerin | hell, even most of interfaces is generic |
| 14:04.18 | Shadowcat | Kim^J: if you know that it should take you around 30 min |
| 14:04.21 | Shadowcat | if you don't |
| 14:04.30 | Kim^J | Shadowcat, Neat |
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| 14:04.32 | Shadowcat | well... then obviously you need more reading |
| 14:04.47 | Kim^J | Just need a guide to get it to send the internet to the eth1. |
| 14:05.07 | stew | Kim^J: read "man interfaces" and /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 14:05.07 | abrotman | is he asking us how to do his homework ? |
| 14:05.14 | timalot | black_13: rc.local maybe? dose anyone know at what stage rc.local is run? |
| 14:05.25 | stew | Kim^J: if you are wanting to setup NAT, look at the ipmasq package |
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| 14:05.39 | Shadowcat | abrotman: well if you don't know basic subnetting, setting up a router is pretty superflous |
| 14:05.41 | Kim^J | stew, Gonna take a look at that then |
| 14:05.46 | Shadowcat | err |
| 14:06.13 | Shadowcat | ya superfluous is the right word I guess |
| 14:06.22 | Bhavesh | what's subnetting? |
| 14:06.24 | abrotman | Shadowcat: but still his homework ? |
| 14:06.26 | Kim^J | abrotman, No I'm not. Where not at that part yet... It's more basic understanding of the computer we are at. |
| 14:06.30 | abrotman | Bhavesh: read a networking primer :) |
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| 14:06.42 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:06.44 | Guerin | timalot: it's not rc.local. |
| 14:06.46 | abrotman | Kim^J: so you're asking us to explain what your professor can't ? |
| 14:06.51 | abrotman | Bhavesh: google :) |
| 14:06.53 | Detox | anyone know about mysql? |
| 14:06.59 | Kim^J | Bhavesh, Subnet mask is the thing that says how many bits that's gonna be uniqe for every pc in the network. |
| 14:07.15 | Bhavesh | abrotman: and i thought you were going point me to dpkg :) |
| 14:07.19 | abrotman | i could |
| 14:07.33 | Bhavesh | Kim^J: that sounds like foreign language :) |
| 14:07.34 | Kim^J | abrotman, No, I need to set up a working router before mom comes home or my internet will disappear casue she will take it. |
| 14:07.36 | timalot | Guerin: i was wondering where he could put a command to overwrite /etc/resolv.conf ... a hack but hey |
| 14:07.38 | eleftherios | the wireless device now gets detected (eth1) but I need to configure it. I get this error: Error for wireless request "Set ESSID" (8B1A) : SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. Any pointers please? |
| 14:07.48 | abrotman | !networking |
| 14:07.48 | dpkg | it has been said that networking is at http://www.fokus.gmd.de/linux/HOWTO/Net-HOWTO/ and http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Networking-Overview-HOWTO.html and "man interfaces" |
| 14:08.18 | Bhavesh | see it finally came out :) |
| 14:08.20 | Bhavesh | brb work |
| 14:08.21 | Guerin | timalot: did you actually READ the fixresolvconf factoid? |
| 14:08.41 | timalot | Guerin: dont worry i was just giving advice |
| 14:08.50 | Guerin | this is the problem |
| 14:08.53 | black_13 | is there a software that i can take a snapshot of my machine and then clone this to another disk |
| 14:08.58 | Guerin | it seems you know about as much as black_13 does |
| 14:09.08 | abrotman | black_13: apt-cache search snapshot ? |
| 14:09.10 | timalot | Guerin: thats rough |
| 14:09.35 | psycodad | black_13: g4u, rsnapshot, rsync, dd just to name a few |
| 14:09.39 | Guerin | timalot: on this particular topic, I mean. |
| 14:09.51 | eleftherios | abrotman, the Networking-Overview-HOWTO does not cover wireless as far as I see |
| 14:09.58 | abrotman | eleftherios: why should it ? |
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| 14:10.13 | timalot | Guerin: yeah i havent been using debian for that long |
| 14:10.23 | black_13 | Guerin why the attiude? |
| 14:10.40 | abrotman | eleftherios: i don't think that's the intended topic of the howto |
| 14:10.55 | nutcase | eleftherios: what does iwconfig say? |
| 14:11.01 | abrotman | eleftherios: however .. perhaps if you'd like to write a chapter about it .. they'd include it ? |
| 14:11.19 | abrotman | eleftherios: oh .. that dpkg thing wasn't for you .. it was for Bhavesh |
| 14:11.19 | eleftherios | nutcase, SET failed on device eth1 ; Operation not supported. |
| 14:11.30 | Bhavesh | i heard my name |
| 14:11.44 | eleftherios | abrotman, ok, I am sorry I thought it was for me |
| 14:11.44 | nutcase | eleftherios: iwconfig eth1 |
| 14:11.46 | Bhavesh | abrotman: thanks for the pointer :) i have to read up on networking how to |
| 14:11.55 | nutcase | eleftherios: without essid-stuff |
| 14:12.06 | Guerin | black_13: it's been a long year. |
| 14:12.09 | abrotman | eleftherios: nerp .. Bhavesh wants to know how packets magically go through ether :) |
| 14:12.09 | eleftherios | nutcase, "eth1 no wireless extensions." |
| 14:12.11 | jetscreamer | heard? |
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| 14:12.20 | abrotman | jetscreamer: dectalk ? |
| 14:12.26 | Vilmar | hi |
| 14:12.50 | jetscreamer | ah... i don't get out much |
| 14:12.56 | nutcase | eleftherios: and just: iwconfig ? is there a device without "no wireless extensions" ? |
| 14:12.58 | abrotman | blame the kids |
| 14:13.03 | tarzeau | abrotman! |
| 14:13.08 | abrotman | gurkan! |
| 14:13.23 | eleftherios | nutcase, oops, eth2 is the one |
| 14:13.26 | jetscreamer | heh it's not their fault.... they're never here, or at least as much as they can be |
| 14:13.34 | Guerin | abrotman: you can't blame da yout, an you can't fool da yout |
| 14:13.37 | nutcase | eleftherios: ok, there you go |
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| 14:13.58 | eleftherios | nutcase, is iwconfig eth2 essid XXXX key XXX enough to get me going? |
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| 14:14.22 | abrotman | Guerin: you can blame anyone you like :) .. off to bed with you! |
| 14:14.23 | nutcase | eleftherios: on my machine formerly eth1 was the wireless device, until i load the module eth1394 |
| 14:14.48 | nutcase | eleftherios: i don't know your setup... do you have wep or wpa? |
| 14:15.03 | eleftherios | nutcase, I don't even know what these are... |
| 14:15.17 | black_13 | is there an account trail of all the packages that have been installed via apt-get? |
| 14:15.22 | eleftherios | is there a gui tool for configuring wireless devices? |
| 14:15.30 | black_13 | accounting trail i mean |
| 14:15.35 | nutcase | eleftherios: that is something you definitely have to know to set it up |
| 14:15.50 | nutcase | eleftherios: network-manager[-gnome|-kde] |
| 14:15.51 | azeem | eleftherios: network-manager-gnome |
| 14:16.08 | eleftherios | nutcase, I am asking the guy who set up the router to tell me about wpa and wep |
| 14:16.28 | nutcase | eleftherios: and don't forget to ask for the password, too :D |
| 14:16.38 | eleftherios | its wpa/psk |
| 14:17.07 | nutcase | eleftherios: then you need at least wpa-supplicant |
| 14:17.22 | FernandoMM | How can i open .ace files on Debian? |
| 14:17.29 | eleftherios | I think it got installed as part of network-manager-gnome |
| 14:17.40 | nutcase | eleftherios: if it is a desktop computer with gnome or kde then try network-manager-gnome |
| 14:17.49 | eleftherios | yes its my laptop |
| 14:17.52 | Bhavesh | FernandoMM: what type of file is it? |
| 14:18.03 | nutcase | eleftherios: yes, network-manager-gnome depends on wpa-supplicant |
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| 14:18.10 | laurens | Hi :-) |
| 14:18.27 | FernandoMM | Bhavesh: it's a type of compress |
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| 14:18.51 | jbaloul | hi guys |
| 14:19.08 | Bhavesh | hmm never seen a .ace file before |
| 14:19.20 | Bhavesh | FernandoMM: any more information then just that it is a compressed file? |
| 14:19.21 | jbaloul | is there a way to determine if a box is 1 cpu hyperthreaded or 2 physical CPUS or cores from a terminal? |
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| 14:19.48 | nutcase | jbaloul: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:19.53 | jbaloul | nope |
| 14:20.06 | nutcase | jbaloul: ok, sorry |
| 14:20.13 | kenro | hi hi |
| 14:20.13 | FernandoMM | Bhavesh: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ACE_(file_format) |
| 14:20.46 | jbaloul | nutcase that doesn't tell the difference between a hyperthreaded cpu and multiple phys cpu's ;-) |
| 14:20.51 | kenro | Hi High? Hai! |
| 14:20.54 | Braindead | FernandoMM: guess what? unace |
| 14:21.03 | Bhavesh | Braindead: thank you :) |
| 14:21.06 | nutcase | jbaloul: i didn't read the hyperthreaded, sorry |
| 14:21.16 | jbaloul | that ok, ;-) |
| 14:21.32 | kenro | Why was POVray removed from Debian? |
| 14:21.32 | FernandoMM | Braindead: i can't find on etch repository, is this nonfree? |
| 14:21.41 | fluxdude | I've plugged in a usb mouse but it's unfortunately not working, neither /dev/psaux nor /dev/input/mice are detecing any signals from it but the kernel definitely detected it when I plugged it it (according to /var/log/messages) |
| 14:21.49 | fluxdude | any ideas on how to get the mouse working? |
| 14:21.50 | azeem | kenro: it's still in non-free, was there always |
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| 14:22.37 | kenro | azeem: Bah. I got more to relearn, more to configure. Thanks. |
| 14:22.40 | jbaloul | anyone else have an idea...i tried dmesg, lshal, proc/cpuinfo |
| 14:22.48 | Braindead | FernandoMM: http://packages.debian.org/unace |
| 14:23.03 | FernandoMM | Braindead: thanks |
| 14:23.09 | Bhavesh | fluxdude: are correct modules loaded? usb-core, usbmouse, hid etc etc? |
| 14:23.11 | Braindead | FernandoMM: if you want something more recent Marillat packaged the most recent version |
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| 14:23.47 | FernandoMM | fluxdude: can you see something on lsusb? |
| 14:24.07 | kenro | Brain: Good to see the "Merry Yacht" still sails. |
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| 14:25.44 | kenro | Braindead: Better? |
| 14:25.47 | kenro | cool |
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| 14:27.45 | kenro | Anyone here know what all I need to get ndiswrapper to work? |
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| 14:28.02 | Bhavesh | jbaloul: which kernel are you running? |
| 14:29.04 | Bhavesh | jbaloul: according toa dmesg on the net for kernel 2.6.17 can identify a dual core processor in dmesg |
| 14:29.29 | jbaloul | Bhavesh tried on debian, ubuntu, rh, none tell the difference...currently my problem is with a stupid redhat 3 remote box |
| 14:30.14 | Bhavesh | jbaloul: another website says to look at /proc/cpuinfo and grep for 'core' |
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| 14:30.28 | Bhavesh | jbaloul: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-identify-whether-cpu-dual-core-or-not/ |
| 14:30.46 | eleftherios | I am puzzled, how does one access network-manager-gnome?? |
| 14:31.11 | jbaloul | but that is for dual core not hyperthreading |
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| 14:32.05 | nutcase | eleftherios: nm-applet |
| 14:32.26 | Bhavesh | jbaloul: ohhhh i am so sorry!! wrong translation in my head |
| 14:32.49 | eleftherios | nutcase, (nm-applet:4658): GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: |
| 14:32.50 | eleftherios | Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. |
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| 14:33.11 | jbaloul | ok guys, thanks for your help...looks like this specific box doesn't have the kernel that can tell the diff....i will have to tell someone on site to reboot and look at either the BIOS or boot screen |
| 14:33.28 | nutcase | eleftherios: you have to add you (the user) to the group netdev |
| 14:33.41 | eleftherios | nutcase, I run it as root |
| 14:33.46 | eleftherios | ran |
| 14:34.13 | eleftherios | nutcase, I need to input keys and stuff somewhere... |
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| 14:34.26 | nutcase | eleftherios: less /usr/share/doc/network-manager/README.Debian |
| 14:34.45 | eleftherios | nutcase, its homepage says that it does not support wpa networks |
| 14:34.58 | Vilmar | how to configure USB WiFi adapter in debian? |
| 14:35.15 | nutcase | eleftherios: try it as the user, you are logged in |
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| 14:35.30 | eleftherios | ok, I have to run now but I'll try it in an hour as soon as I come back |
| 14:35.50 | nutcase | eleftherios: i am connected to my wpa/psk secured wlan right now, using nm-applet |
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| 14:36.08 | kenro | eleftherios: If you try using su or root in X it will deny you access. Better to use sudo or *su... |
| 14:36.22 | eleftherios | kenro, ah I see |
| 14:36.25 | eleftherios | thank you both! |
| 14:36.28 | nutcase | eleftherios: additionally over openvpn, if a neighbour hacked my wpa |
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| 14:36.32 | [TechGuy] | uh, question... Etch doesn't seem to be consulting the /etc/hosts file, and I have files,dns for the hosts database in nsswitch |
| 14:36.33 | NagyZ | hello ppl |
| 14:36.34 | wols | I need a suggestion for a program: I need to syn a local disrectory + subdirs with a remote server. all I have is ftp and php access to the remote server |
| 14:36.41 | wols | is there such a program in debian? |
| 14:36.50 | wols | s/syn/sync |
| 14:36.57 | Fox | wols: use lftp |
| 14:37.01 | NagyZ | the fonts for xorg are really really screwed up in unstable |
| 14:37.02 | cydork | wols: i did a similar setup with lftp |
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| 14:37.19 | Fox | lftp's mirror option |
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| 14:37.35 | wols | how? lftp mirros a remote dir to a local one from the edscription |
| 14:37.35 | NagyZ | Unpacking replacement xfonts-100dpi ... |
| 14:37.35 | NagyZ | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 14:37.38 | NagyZ | whats that?.. |
| 14:37.40 | wols | I need the other way around |
| 14:37.41 | NagyZ | same for 75dpi |
| 14:37.53 | Fox | wols: local --> remote OR remote --> local |
| 14:37.55 | wols | and: I need to sync the subdirs too |
| 14:37.59 | Fox | mirror OR mirror -r |
| 14:38.08 | xian | is it possible for a user without root-privileges to install a deb only in their $HOME? |
| 14:38.13 | Fox | it will sync subdirs |
| 14:38.14 | wols | ah, -R |
| 14:38.20 | cydork | wols: man ftp and look for put |
| 14:38.27 | kenro | nagy: I couldn't even configure the thing in Sid. cinfig utility seems missing... Using Testing now, autoconfig is beautiful. |
| 14:38.29 | cydork | s/ftp/lftp/ |
| 14:38.31 | wols | so what about subdirs? and: will it upload non-changed files too or only changed ones? |
| 14:38.40 | Fox | only changed ones |
| 14:38.43 | NagyZ | ah heck |
| 14:39.35 | cydork | wols: it can beconfigured in any way and it's scriptable :P |
| 14:40.08 | cydork | wols: it's the best thing which i could find for ftp. |
| 14:40.21 | NagyZ | same with testing's packages |
| 14:40.26 | NagyZ | Unpacking replacement xfonts-100dpi ... |
| 14:40.26 | NagyZ | warning: /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi does not exist or is not a directory |
| 14:40.26 | NagyZ | ;]> |
| 14:40.35 | FernandoMM | How can i know which version of gcc was used to compile a kernel that is avaible on debian repositories? |
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| 14:40.48 | wols | FernandoMM: cat /proc/version |
| 14:40.55 | Detox | anyone know much about mysql? no matter what i put in it will not connect... all i want to do is test install on my pc |
| 14:41.06 | FernandoMM | wols: that will show the current kernel, right? |
| 14:41.13 | cahoot | FernandoMM: maybe look at the changes file |
| 14:41.37 | k31th | How do i set sudo to have no password |
| 14:41.41 | k31th | for root. |
| 14:41.41 | kenro | NagyZ: Yeah. I tried xorg -configure and hand edit, still wouldn't give 1026x700 or whatever. Monitor could do that. Now, I get strong screen res, can play, say, freeciv all on one screen. :) |
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| 14:41.57 | DanBrwn | any know of a good video editing software package |
| 14:42.10 | NagyZ | :-) |
| 14:42.16 | [TechGuy] | Etch doesn't seem to be consulting the /etc/hosts file, and I have files dns for the hosts database in nsswitch.conf . Ideas? |
| 14:42.24 | NagyZ | kenro my other problem is that its way fucking slow |
| 14:42.35 | NagyZ | and for some reason X tries to attach to virtual terminal 8 |
| 14:42.37 | NagyZ | not 7 |
| 14:43.26 | NagyZ | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 14:43.28 | NagyZ | what the fucking heck... |
| 14:43.31 | kenro | NagyZ: Donno bout that. I'm too used to x86config. |
| 14:44.41 | kenro | NagyZ: The pkg I got in Testing autoconfig'd. |
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| 14:44.55 | kenro | And did it quite well. |
| 14:45.18 | NagyZ | 1.0.0-3 |
| 14:45.19 | NagyZ | here |
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| 14:45.35 | kenro | checking mine... |
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| 14:48.17 | kenro | NagyZ: My vers is 1.7.0_22 |
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| 14:48.24 | NagyZ | whoho |
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| 14:48.28 | NagyZ | how can that be? |
| 14:48.44 | kenro | Version: 1:7.0.22 |
| 14:49.00 | wols | Fox, cydork: lftp uploads EVERYTHING, even when I only change only one file |
| 14:49.27 | Bhavesh | so |
| 14:49.37 | kenro | NagyZ: correction Version: 1:7.0.22 |
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| 14:50.05 | NagyZ | I see.. but thats too very far from mine |
| 14:50.37 | Fox | wols: from the man "lftp has builtin mirror which can download or UPDATE a whole directory tree." |
| 14:51.22 | kenro | NagyZ: deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 14:51.54 | NagyZ | is there any repo where I could find 7.2 snapshots for debian? |
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| 14:52.21 | petemc | 7.2 what? |
| 14:52.38 | NagyZ | xorg |
| 14:52.43 | kenro | NagyZ: I'm in the process of upgrading my sources.list. Try apt-spy. |
| 14:52.44 | petemc | !sdn |
| 14:52.44 | dpkg | hmm... sdn is go to http://snapshot.debian.net to get older packages. Almost every single package since somewhere in 2002 is here. year 2004 is laregly lost because of harddisk problems. |
| 14:52.58 | NagyZ | older? |
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| 14:53.06 | lord_rob | NagyZ: xorg 7.2 ? wait november ;) |
| 14:53.09 | NagyZ | lord_rob cant. |
| 14:53.11 | petemc | sorry, i havent beeb paying attention |
| 14:53.12 | NagyZ | I have an embedded box here |
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| 14:53.28 | NagyZ | and I've fetched the driver from xorg git |
| 14:53.30 | lord_rob | NagyZ: xorg 7.2 doesn't even exist, does it ? |
| 14:53.32 | NagyZ | but I cant load it... |
| 14:53.41 | NagyZ | (EE) module ABI major version (1) doesn't match the server's version (0) |
| 14:53.44 | NagyZ | (EE) Failed to load module "amd" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 14:53.44 | NagyZ | ;] |
| 14:54.01 | NagyZ | well I dont know that, but I suppose one could compile it |
| 14:54.06 | erizo | hello everybody, i have a conexant modem and i made it run at 56k using hexedit, anybody knows how to make conexant driver work at 56k with ubuntu? i would apreciate a lot you help, thank you |
| 14:54.12 | NagyZ | I'd really really love to use this amd driver |
| 14:54.13 | stew | lord_rob: 7.2 isn't out yet. when it does come out, you won't see it in debian except maybe experimental until after etch, most likely |
| 14:54.27 | erizo | it wroked for me at hoary but not at dapper |
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| 14:54.34 | NagyZ | well |
| 14:54.37 | stew | erizo: you should be asking ubuntu related questions in #ubuntu, not here |
| 14:54.40 | NagyZ | there must be an experimental repo somewhere.. :) |
| 14:55.04 | erizo | i went there but they didnt know... so i came here, sorry if i disturb you |
| 14:55.21 | kenro | NagyZ: Check with apt-get.org? |
| 14:55.21 | erizo | its a linux question, not only ubuntu |
| 14:55.46 | cydork | !they don't know |
| 14:55.47 | dpkg | Just because the people in some OTHER channel don't know the answer to your non-Debian question, it does NOT give you the right to hassle US with your problems. Go try Google. |
| 14:55.48 | pngwn | erizo, ##linux ? |
| 14:56.01 | erizo | yes... the problem can happen in debian, gentoo, etc |
| 14:56.08 | lord_rob | NagyZ: try to checkout xorg svn, then compile it from sources |
| 14:56.15 | NagyZ | lord_rob whats a nogo |
| 14:56.20 | NagyZ | as I said it's an embedded system |
| 14:56.25 | NagyZ | altough I have some core2s here |
| 14:56.31 | NagyZ | but compiling a whole X:. |
| 14:56.33 | NagyZ | but compiling a whole X.. :) |
| 14:56.46 | NagyZ | wheres modularity?.. |
| 14:56.52 | NagyZ | I even compiled this module on my own system |
| 14:56.58 | NagyZ | why doesnt it work? ;] |
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| 14:57.25 | kenro | NagyZ: How big is your embedded system? |
| 14:57.34 | NagyZ | in dimensions or in power? |
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| 14:57.41 | kenro | Power. |
| 14:57.49 | NagyZ | model name : Geode(TM) Integrated Processor by AMD PCS |
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| 14:57.51 | NagyZ | cpu MHz : 498.121 |
| 14:57.52 | NagyZ | cache size : 128 KB |
| 14:57.53 | NagyZ | bogomips : 980.99 |
| 14:57.54 | NagyZ | ) |
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| 14:58.04 | NagyZ | :-) |
| 14:58.10 | NagyZ | not that big. |
| 14:58.30 | stew | dpkg: tell NagyZ about paste |
| 14:58.44 | NagyZ | is there any sample application for viewing a video on pure v4l2 bases? |
| 14:59.31 | kenro | Might try Matchbox, or some other embedded-system graphic. |
| 14:59.46 | NagyZ | never heard of it |
| 14:59.58 | NagyZ | ah |
| 14:59.59 | NagyZ | a window manager |
| 15:00.06 | NagyZ | I dont need a window manager.. I just want to play videos |
| 15:00.33 | NagyZ | and as AMD has an xorg driver.. |
| 15:00.58 | NagyZ | I should get this to work |
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| 15:02.55 | kenro | It uses AMD cpu? So it's not just an appliance, huh? Then yes, you should get it to work. Maybe you just don't have to right repository... |
| 15:03.16 | NagyZ | I do. :) and I'm sure of it |
| 15:03.21 | chemaja | hey i think i just had a semi good idea. is there (or is there plans for) a debian policy for firewall hooks in init.d files for networked programs? ie. ssh start would register ssh as listening. it would export it's connectivity requirements, ie. "i plan to listen on port 22", etc. ?? |
| 15:03.23 | NagyZ | and yes, it's an AMD Geode LX |
| 15:03.28 | NagyZ | about @3W :-) |
| 15:03.46 | chemaja | ie. shorewall could hook-in and config stuff |
| 15:04.15 | jamesdean | i have a server with three nic cards. one connects it to t1 and another to the local lan and another to a cable internet provider. right now the default gateway is through the t1, but i'd like to have the local lan be able to use NAT to access the cable modem since it's much faster. however, i cant figure out how to do it properly while still letting the server use the t1 for everything else |
| 15:04.32 | jamesdean | suggestions? |
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| 15:05.06 | cydork | jamesdean: you can use simple ipmasqrading :P |
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| 15:05.11 | kenro | NagyZ: Sorry. I just have no experience with embedded systems. It's either an apliance, using (embedded) pkgs, or a computer, using standard. |
| 15:05.13 | DukeDrake | hi |
| 15:05.14 | [TechGuy] | Etch doesn't seem to be consulting the /etc/hosts file, and I have files dns for the hosts database in nsswitch.conf . Ideas? |
| 15:05.39 | jamesdean | cydork, i've tried. it routes it through the default gateway which is the t1 |
| 15:06.06 | NagyZ | kenro well then think of it as a standard computer |
| 15:06.09 | cydork | jamesdean: it's upto you. you can select the cable modem interface |
| 15:07.02 | kenro | NagyZ: Can you get cli, at least? |
| 15:07.11 | NagyZ | what do you mean by cli? |
| 15:07.25 | kenro | command line interface |
| 15:07.28 | NagyZ | of course |
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| 15:07.34 | jamesdean | cydork, maybe i'm not doing things right. to be able to ping from the cable modem interface, i use ping -I eth0 google.com, but that only works if i set its gateway as the system's default gateway. that of course takes it away from the t1 when it's up. how can i make it deal with two? |
| 15:07.43 | NagyZ | geode is a standard x86 pc just for embedded usage |
| 15:07.46 | vi-config | I'm running sarge on a dual ppc mac, but seem to only be using one CPU ... processor : 0 |
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| 15:08.02 | DukeDrake | My AltGr characters don't work anymore....! |
| 15:08.05 | kenro | Then install, run apt-spy, rework your sources.list, experiment. Sorry. |
| 15:08.38 | Bhavesh | jamesdean: does the two network card have different subnet? |
| 15:08.48 | DukeDrake | all other keys are fine, only seems AltGr is corrupted.... it prints weird character instead of normal ones |
| 15:08.56 | jamesdean | Bhavesh, yes |
| 15:09.10 | NagyZ | kenro I would. just cant get basic X to work:) |
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| 15:09.49 | Bhavesh | hmm lemme think about what i was going to say.. i thought you could setup different default route for different NIC, but you want the traffic to go through cable modem but server to use T1 |
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| 15:10.06 | NagyZ | this fucking fonts are killing me |
| 15:10.10 | EEap | Hi, Im using the testing-amd64 image to install here and all works fine, but at the end of install, the LILO doesnt install, first...it shows me only the /dev/sdc device to install in its MBR, but my Sata HD is in SDA, does anybody knows why it isnt installing |
| 15:10.11 | NagyZ | FreeFontPath: FPE "/usr/share/fonts/X11/misc" refcount is 2, should be 1; fixing. |
| 15:10.15 | NagyZ | using testing for sure. |
| 15:10.25 | jamesdean | Bhavesh, right. it's a strange problem :) |
| 15:10.28 | kenro | Install more fonts? |
| 15:10.43 | Jhonny1009 | does debian support xgl for nvidia cards? |
| 15:10.46 | NagyZ | well |
| 15:10.53 | NagyZ | xfonts-base xfonts-75dpi and xfonts-100dpi are installed |
| 15:11.21 | h3sp4wn | Jhonny1009: It supports texture from pixmap with the beta drivers in debian experimental |
| 15:11.22 | NagyZ | no, xfonts-{75,100} was not installed |
| 15:11.24 | NagyZ | installing them |
| 15:11.40 | NagyZ | ok, installed them, same error. |
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| 15:11.51 | Bhavesh | jamesdean: that is an interesting problem :) |
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| 15:12.10 | kenro | Rework your sources.list, as I say, see if you can get quicker connection and newer pkgs. |
| 15:12.20 | Jhonny1009 | h3sp4wn : so will it work if I get the latest stable release? |
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| 15:12.46 | NagyZ | I'm not a newbie |
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| 15:12.55 | NagyZ | deb ftp://ftp.hu.debian.org/debian/ testing main contrib non-free |
| 15:13.00 | NagyZ | this is the only line in my sources.list :) |
| 15:13.26 | Breeder | deadkeys only work in firefox/openoffice but not in any kde application (i have the correct keyboard layout it was working before), any sugestions? :-\ |
| 15:13.53 | kenro | :( |
| 15:13.53 | Jhonny1009 | i'm downloading debian 3.1r3 does it have xgl? and will it work on nvidia cards? |
| 15:13.59 | kenro | ::( |
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| 15:14.23 | EEap | Hi, Im using the testing-amd64 image to install here and all works fine, but at the end of install, the LILO doesnt install, first...it shows me only the /dev/sdc device to install in its MBR, but my Sata HD is in SDA, does anybody knows why it isnt installing |
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| 15:17.19 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: it appears that my access file is not being effective ( or i haven't set it up right) in postfix |
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| 15:18.15 | kenro | NagyZ: Newbies aren't the only people who are, at times, clueless. I've been using *nix for 5 years and scarely exceed beginner level. |
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| 15:20.22 | kenro | And it shows like an air raid search light. :( |
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| 15:22.44 | kenro | !pityparty |
| 15:22.59 | kenro | nothing |
| 15:23.00 | abrotman | Maulkin: where've you been hiding? |
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| 15:23.27 | kenro | abrotman: There's a familiar name... |
| 15:23.58 | abrotman | me? |
| 15:24.03 | kenro | You. |
| 15:24.06 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:24.24 | Maulkin | abrotman: #oftc-staff :) |
| 15:24.33 | abrotman | Maulkin: you just don't love us anymore ... |
| 15:24.34 | enouf | huh |
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| 15:24.49 | kenro | Why not? |
| 15:24.55 | Maulkin | abrotman: I was a counter in their election |
| 15:24.55 | abrotman | i meant .. why am i familiar ? |
| 15:25.04 | abrotman | Maulkin: election? for staff? board? |
| 15:25.12 | Maulkin | abrotman: besides, I'm always here. To get me, you need to hilight me :) |
| 15:25.21 | Maulkin | abrotman: staff |
| 15:25.29 | Maulkin | http://www.halon.org.uk/stuff/oftc_election_results_final.txt |
| 15:25.39 | abrotman | Maulkin: i know you're here .. but you've been quiet |
| 15:25.53 | kenro | abrotman: Becaue I know the name, ****... |
| 15:26.00 | abrotman | what's the difference between NOC and network operator ? |
| 15:26.18 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:26.20 | Bhavesh | :) |
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| 15:26.27 | Maulkin | NOC = network operations committee |
| 15:26.32 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 15:26.43 | black_13 | !kernel |
| 15:26.45 | Bhavesh | or s/Commitee/Center |
| 15:26.45 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc1-git11, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc1-mm1 |
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| 15:27.14 | kenro | Maulkin: CIA has another meaning... If I tell you, I'd have to kill you. |
| 15:27.17 | abrotman | Maulkin: i'm very sad to see that noone voted for me |
| 15:27.30 | Maulkin | abrotman: you didn't stand :) |
| 15:27.43 | abrotman | Maulkin: but i see goodell there! |
| 15:27.56 | Maulkin | and? :) |
| 15:28.09 | abrotman | nothing .. i know goodell from another network |
| 15:28.15 | Maulkin | :) |
| 15:28.41 | abrotman | i just recently found out he'd moved |
| 15:29.05 | abrotman | i thought rik van riel went by 'rvr' ? |
| 15:29.21 | abrotman | guess not |
| 15:29.50 | kenro | Anyone know what all I need to get ndiswrapper to run an incompat pcmcia? |
| 15:30.17 | abrotman | act of god ? |
| 15:30.30 | kenro | A thought./.. |
| 15:31.07 | abrotman | Maulkin: what are representatives ? |
| 15:31.09 | kenro | bah |
| 15:31.27 | Maulkin | abrotman: 'helpers' |
| 15:31.28 | abrotman | why am i asking Maulkin about oftc stuff on freenode :) |
| 15:31.38 | Maulkin | Cause you love to be off topic? :) |
| 15:31.40 | abrotman | Maulkin: oh .. not staff ... |
| 15:31.46 | Maulkin | yeah, they're staff |
| 15:31.46 | stew | abrotman: oftc is off-topic here, if you don't stop you'll be de-voiced |
| 15:31.54 | Maulkin | Just without the ability to do /kill etc |
| 15:32.06 | Maulkin | And we really should go ---> way |
| 15:32.14 | abrotman | heh |
| 15:32.41 | kenro | idiot computer dealer says, Sure this card is natively supported by Linux. Only costs 40 dollars. lspci tells me it's a Marvell, not a prism54, chipset. &&^*(^. |
| 15:32.43 | abrotman | just curious .. but the wrong place to be curious i suppose |
| 15:33.34 | Maulkin | kenro: ahh, I think I've got one of those |
| 15:33.41 | Maulkin | kenro: Only works with ndiswrapper |
| 15:34.07 | abrotman | i think he's implying it's not working with ndiswrapper |
| 15:34.46 | kenro | Maulkin: Boo. I'm saying, not implying, I can't recall all the parts to get it to work. |
| 15:35.38 | abrotman | have you asked #ndiswrapper ? |
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| 15:35.49 | kenro | ndiswrapper + the drivers from the CD... |
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| 15:36.28 | kenro | abrotman: And that, typically, never occurred to me. |
| 15:36.41 | cydork | kenro: check if it's listed http://linux-wless.passys.nl/ |
| 15:37.08 | xaka | Why sendmail so long sends the answer? How to force it to put the letters in turn and instantly to send the answer |
| 15:37.22 | kenro | cydork: Clarify, please. |
| 15:37.24 | xaka | *turn = queue |
| 15:37.27 | Rez | xaka: #sendmail |
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| 15:37.34 | xaka | Rez, thx |
| 15:37.56 | Maulkin | kenro: is it one of thsoe PCMICIAICCAIACAnetgear jobbies? |
| 15:37.58 | cydork | kenro: i mean check if it is listed at that site |
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| 15:38.17 | Nibbier | people cant memorize computer industry acronyms |
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| 15:38.38 | Maquiavelo | Hello, where can I find some information about how to edit Debian's installer? |
| 15:38.53 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: What do you want to do? |
| 15:38.57 | kenro | It's a WG511v2 with Marvell chipset. Not natively supported. |
| 15:39.20 | Maquiavelo | Maulkin, I'm thinking of making a small expert system like 20q to select which packages to install. It's mostly a hobby type of thing |
| 15:39.41 | kenro | :can't emote, is tired of wasting money. |
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| 15:39.46 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: It's got support for that already. Haev a look at pre-seeding |
| 15:40.00 | Maulkin | kenro: That's the badger |
| 15:40.07 | black_13 | !kernel |
| 15:40.09 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.18, prepatch: 2.6.19-rc1, snapshot: 2.6.19-rc1-git11, 2.4: 2.4.33.3, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre4, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.19-rc1-mm1 |
| 15:40.13 | Andy_CARP | hi, is possible to connect an hp scanjet 3800 to a debian box? what will I need? |
| 15:40.21 | Maquiavelo | Maulkin, I'm familiar with preseeding with a config file |
| 15:40.22 | Maulkin | kenro: worked (ish) with ndiswrapper for me, but was very intermittant |
| 15:40.22 | kenro | Maulkin: Huh? |
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| 15:40.35 | Maulkin | Mind you, it was also very intermittant running under windows |
| 15:40.56 | enouf | black_13: please type this in your irc client --> /msg dpkg kernel |
| 15:40.57 | Maquiavelo | Maulkin, Will preseed config files work with the new Etch installer? |
| 15:41.11 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: IIRC, yes |
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| 15:41.22 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: hang on, I'll try and find a nice bit of documentation for you |
| 15:42.04 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: http://www.hands.com/d-i/ |
| 15:42.08 | kenro | Maulkin: Correct me if wrong... install ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -i /path/to/*.INF; modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 15:42.19 | Maquiavelo | Maulkin, Thanky ou |
| 15:42.27 | kapowaz | so. I want to run Apache 2.2. What are my options? |
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| 15:43.11 | Maulkin | kapowaz: sarge/etch/sid? |
| 15:43.15 | kapowaz | sarge |
| 15:43.25 | cydork | kapowaz: checked backports? |
| 15:44.28 | kapowaz | it's not in backports |
| 15:44.37 | black_13 | enouf thanks sorry |
| 15:44.38 | kapowaz | I got the impression it might have been some weird edge case |
| 15:44.39 | cydork | kapowaz: then you are in trouble :P |
| 15:44.46 | black_13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:44.50 | kapowaz | this is why I asked what are my options :) |
| 15:45.04 | enouf | black_13: no worries .. make sure there's no leading blank spaces |
| 15:45.14 | cydork | kapowaz: any perticular reason why you want apache 2.2? |
| 15:45.44 | kapowaz | it's the only version of apache that supports mod_proxy_balancer |
| 15:45.57 | Braindead | !tell kapowaz about simple sid backport |
| 15:45.58 | Maquiavelo | Maulkin, Can I select which packages to install with preseeding? |
| 15:46.03 | kapowaz | and I want to use that along with Mongrel |
| 15:46.04 | enouf | black_13: I accidentally do that quite often (forget to make certain there are no leading spaces) |
| 15:46.06 | kapowaz | for hosting ruby on rails |
| 15:46.07 | cydork | Braindead: it's is in sid? |
| 15:46.15 | Braindead | Version: 2.2.3-2 |
| 15:46.36 | black_13 | enough yeah that to :) hey i just tried the following /usr/src/linux: make-kpkg and i get scripts/basic/fixdep.c:105:23: sys/types.h: No such file or directory |
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| 15:46.46 | kapowaz | sid is unstable, yes? |
| 15:46.50 | cydork | kapowaz: yep |
| 15:47.05 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: sure |
| 15:47.06 | kapowaz | before I go ahead and do that, I want to know... can I remove that and revert to apache 2.0 easily if it breaks? |
| 15:47.08 | black_13 | this would mean to me that im missing some system include directories what have i missed? |
| 15:47.12 | black_13 | installing |
| 15:47.26 | kapowaz | because I originally was running a mixture of stable and unstable on my box, and an apache 2 upgrade broke php |
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| 15:48.26 | Maulkin | kapowaz: ... |
| 15:48.32 | Maulkin | !downgrade |
| 15:48.32 | dpkg | methinks downgrade is not possible with apt-get currently. No future support is anticipated. Some programs change the binary format of their files in a way that cannot be rolled back later, and package maintainer scripts provide ways to upgrade to new config file formats but not ways to downgrade. You can always try to downgrade a package using dpkg -i <olderversion.deb>. |
| 15:48.51 | kapowaz | so no |
| 15:48.53 | kapowaz | right? |
| 15:48.58 | Maulkin | Not easily, no |
| 15:49.03 | kapowaz | gah. |
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| 15:49.04 | Maulkin | It may be possible |
| 15:49.23 | Maulkin | In theory |
| 15:49.24 | Maulkin | Possibly |
| 15:49.24 | Maulkin | (get my drift yet?) |
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| 15:49.24 | Maquiavelo | Maulkin, Can't find any info on that :(, only to make tasksel select a collection of packages (Web server, Desktop, laptop, etc) at installation |
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| 15:49.33 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: So add a new task... :) |
| 15:49.36 | Maquiavelo | Googling: debian preseeding package select but nothing =/ |
| 15:49.43 | Maquiavelo | I'm sorry? |
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| 15:49.57 | Maquiavelo | I read that selecting none would launch aptitude |
| 15:50.09 | kapowaz | hmm, the mongrel author isn't recommending lighttpd either |
| 15:50.17 | pif | hi, I get a bunch of errors with make-kpkg on linux-source-2.6.18; known issue? |
| 15:50.38 | pif | works fine on 2.6.17 |
| 15:50.42 | cydork | pif: errors are ? |
| 15:50.49 | cydork | dont paste them here. :P |
| 15:51.04 | pif | Can't find string terminator '"' anywhere before EOF at -e line 1. |
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| 15:51.17 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: Basically, add a new tasksel task that has the packages you want (I think) |
| 15:51.28 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: For more info, ask #debian-boot |
| 15:51.37 | valdyn | pif: dpkg -l kernel-package | tail -1 |
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| 15:52.09 | pif | ii kernel-package 10.062 |
| 15:52.54 | Maquiavelo | Lol, only three people there |
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| 15:53.27 | valdyn | pif: have you checked the bts? |
| 15:53.37 | Maulkin | Maquiavelo: on irc.debian.org |
| 15:53.51 | Maquiavelo | Yea just went there |
| 15:53.59 | black_13 | do you need the kernel headers from the previous kernel inorder to compile a later version header? |
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| 15:54.16 | Maulkin | I count 77 |
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| 15:54.37 | valdyn | !wayttd black_13 |
| 15:54.38 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, black_13? |
| 15:54.53 | black_13 | build a 2.6.10 kernel |
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| 15:55.09 | cydork | black_13: which version of debian are you using? |
| 15:55.18 | black_13 | stable sarge |
| 15:55.23 | valdyn | black_13: you dont need any headers to compile a kernel |
| 15:55.29 | black_13 | thanks |
| 15:55.42 | black_13 | but i have to compile the kernel |
| 15:55.42 | cydork | black_13: /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 15:55.51 | cydork | black_13: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 15:55.51 | valdyn | black_13: so compile it |
| 15:56.19 | valdyn | black_13: any particular reason why you must compile your own 2.6.10 kernel? |
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| 15:57.15 | black_13 | this is a embedded board i need to compile the kernel sources from the company that makes the board |
| 15:57.25 | black_13 | its part of a slot machine |
| 15:57.40 | valdyn | black_13: ok |
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| 15:58.14 | Maulkin | black_13: you may also want to try #emdebian on irc.debian.org |
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| 15:58.25 | Maulkin | black_13: They're a useful bunch |
| 15:59.00 | black_13 | cool i had forgetten about that channel ... about two years ago i was working on small system using crux/uclib |
| 15:59.14 | black_13 | you forget things in 2 years |
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| 15:59.37 | Maulkin | Yeah, but all embedded developers are kind of odd. |
| 15:59.49 | cydork | Maulkin: rest aren't?? :P |
| 16:00.18 | black_13 | this is wonderfull little board it has digital imputs |
| 16:00.23 | black_13 | 64 channels |
| 16:00.27 | Maulkin | (Told you) |
| 16:00.53 | Maulkin | Though I do want to play with the Amstrad E3 |
| 16:01.02 | Maulkin | (http://www.earth.li/~noodles/hardware-e3.html) |
| 16:01.07 | black_13 | you can take 64 TTL imputs and 32 TTL digital outputs |
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| 16:01.24 | okkel | hallo |
| 16:01.31 | Maulkin | black_13: Now you're just confusing me black_13 :) |
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| 16:01.53 | black_13 | mostly to me and occasionally others |
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| 16:04.21 | kenro | Bah. 20+ minutes and still no answer on #ndiswrapper. |
| 16:04.47 | kenro | No activity at all. |
| 16:04.50 | cydork | kenro: wht is the problem with it? |
| 16:05.13 | kenro | cydl: Correct me if wrong... install ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -i /path/to/*.INF; modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 16:05.27 | kenro | cydork: Correct me if wrong... install ndiswrapper; ndiswrapper -i /path/to/*.INF; modprobe ndiswrapper |
| 16:05.35 | FernandoMM | Hello, Xorg on Etch is anormally using almost 100% of cpu (according to top) why does this happens? How can i know what is going on? |
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| 16:05.52 | cydork | kenro: yep. |
| 16:06.47 | kenro | Then all I need after all is to get a kernel with ndiswrapper module in modconf. Sorry to bug y'all. |
| 16:07.48 | cydork | !ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 16:07.48 | dpkg | i heard ndiswrapper one-liner is apt-get install build-essential ndiswrapper-source module-assistant && m-a a-i ndiswrapper |
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| 16:10.30 | kenro | cydork: Then reboot into the new kernel, modprobe ndiswrapper, have fun with intermittant functionality... |
| 16:10.59 | cydork | kenro: did you read what dpkg said? no need to install new kernel |
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| 16:12.59 | kenro | cydork: Good enough. But seems like it might need updating. I get error Bad luck, the kernel headers for the target kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use. |
| 16:13.21 | cydork | kenro: which kernel are you using? |
| 16:14.23 | kenro | 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 16:15.01 | cydork | kenro: install kernel-headers-2.6.8-3-386 and try again. |
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| 16:16.23 | h3sp4wn | The latest ndiswrapper (which is alot better especially on 64 bit) needs gcc 3.4+ |
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| 16:18.38 | okkel | helloo |
| 16:19.20 | okkel | Is there a good doc for seting up a thin client with debian |
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| 16:21.43 | kenro | kernel now 2.6.17-2-686 #1 SMP |
| 16:21.52 | kenro | oops... wrong one |
| 16:22.31 | kenro | How'd I get an SMP kernel? |
| 16:24.10 | blaamann | okkel: Take a look at edudebian and skolelinux |
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| 16:25.33 | fluxdude | I've just discovered a debian machine here but I don't know what version it is. How do I find this out? |
| 16:25.46 | Braindead | fluxdude: /etc/debian_version |
| 16:26.21 | stew | fluxdude: the most accurate thing to do is to compare the instlled libc6 version with the available versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
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| 16:27.21 | fluxdude | thanks guys, in most other distros it's distro-release |
| 16:27.24 | HNT | Hello, i'm looking for a c edi, avaiable on the apt (i'm under KDE), I already have tested KDevelop and I don't like it, is there a good alternative ? |
| 16:27.44 | fluxdude | another quick question: how do I list all the files belonging to a package? |
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| 16:27.54 | Maulkin | fluxdude: dpkg -L |
| 16:27.55 | fluxdude | I'm downloading apt-file for this but is there another way> |
| 16:28.03 | Maulkin | (if it's installed) |
| 16:28.05 | HardDisk_WP | hi |
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| 16:28.08 | fluxdude | ah, ecellent, thanks |
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| 16:28.11 | reto_ | hi guys |
| 16:28.16 | HardDisk_WP | i got a directory /home/marco/mediawiki. in /home/public_html/w/ the content sdhould be same as in /home/marco/mediawiki. is this possible to symlink? |
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| 16:28.33 | reto_ | I'm looking for a way to use a newer kernel on a debian stable system, any links? |
| 16:28.46 | valdyn | reto_: http://www.backports.org/ |
| 16:28.50 | valdyn | !sarge 2.6.16 |
| 16:28.50 | dpkg | if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions then "aptitude update ; apt-get -t sarge-backports install grub udev initramfs-tools linux-image-2.6.16-2-$arch" where $arch is one of 486 686 k7. also ask me about <bpo>, or for a sarge 2.6.16 installer see http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 16:29.14 | PDani | i have a nokia 6210. how can i save my contacts in linux through bluetooth? is there a software + driver for it? |
| 16:29.15 | reto_ | thank valdyn |
| 16:29.20 | reto_ | 18:28 < dpkg> if you want to run a 2.6.16 kernel on debian sarge, first follow the instructions on |
| 16:29.23 | reto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.26 | reto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.27 | HNT | Hello, i'm looking for a c edi, avaiable on the apt (i'm under KDE), I already have tested KDevelop and I don't like it, is there a good alternative ? |
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| 16:29.29 | reto_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:29.32 | reto_ | outsch |
| 16:29.34 | reto_ | sorry! |
| 16:29.56 | wols | HNT: anjutah, rawhide |
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| 16:30.00 | valdyn | HNT: vim |
| 16:30.03 | abrotman | HNT: kdate, anjuta, vim |
| 16:30.05 | abrotman | erm .. kate |
| 16:30.08 | juan | hi |
| 16:30.10 | HNT | thx |
| 16:31.25 | valdyn | HNT: maybe you really meant IDE ? |
| 16:31.40 | HNT | yes |
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| 16:32.27 | valdyn | HNT: anjuta and kdevelop are probably the only windows - style ides |
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| 16:33.03 | HNT | isn't codeblock avaiable on any repositories ? |
| 16:33.19 | fourat | what do you suggest someone that need to edit a file on a shell where there's no vi/vim/pico ? |
| 16:33.22 | cydork | HNT: the best is eclipse but it's heavy. uses java :P |
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| 16:33.30 | Braindead | fluxdude: joe ? |
| 16:33.39 | Braindead | d'oh |
| 16:33.45 | Braindead | fourat: joe or nano? |
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| 16:34.04 | black_13 | hooray i build my kernel via the toolset and i have .deb file ... now what do i do with the deb file? |
| 16:34.09 | HNT | I use java, but also C (for school) an the eclipse plugin (CDT) isn't complete enough |
| 16:34.30 | valdyn | HNT: why an IDE at all for school? |
| 16:34.31 | HNT | I can't compile C code in ansi mode with CDT |
| 16:34.32 | wols | HNT: run it under wine? *g* |
| 16:35.18 | HNT | valdyn : I found it more usefull than a simple text editor |
| 16:35.54 | HNT | an when you get a job, it's better to know how IDE works because you will probably work with and IDE |
| 16:37.22 | NagyZ | well |
| 16:37.31 | NagyZ | IDE's are bloatwares |
| 16:37.36 | NagyZ | I dont even like eclipse. |
| 16:37.46 | NagyZ | however I've spent several years in front of Delphi/VC++ |
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| 16:38.56 | Coke | NagyZ: me too. but since GNU _is_ already an IDE you don't require anything else. |
| 16:39.03 | NagyZ | :-) |
| 16:39.30 | Ahri | i was wondering if i can route incoming traffic to a different port, specifically i'd like to route everthing from 12345 to 22, just to avoid people scanning for sshds picking it up too easily |
| 16:39.53 | NagyZ | he? |
| 16:39.56 | NagyZ | from 12345 to 22? |
| 16:40.02 | NagyZ | use iptables, anyway |
| 16:40.45 | kenro | hmmm... I should NOT have a smp kernel installed. what gives? |
| 16:41.00 | NagyZ | how many cpus do you have? |
| 16:41.02 | Ahri | yeah like i config my router to forward port 12345 to my debian box, but i want to keep running sshd on port 22 for convenient internally |
| 16:41.03 | Coke | kenro: accidently installed -smp kernel? |
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| 16:41.17 | Coke | kenro: do you have dual core or something like that? |
| 16:41.34 | NagyZ | Ahri why dont you just drop anything outside your own network? |
| 16:41.47 | Ahri | NagyZ: because i want to be able to ssh in |
| 16:41.48 | Coke | kenro: anyhow, install a linux image package without -smp suffix. |
| 16:41.58 | Coke | kenro: then reboot and select it from grub's menu |
| 16:42.07 | odla|U | anyone know when iceweasel will replace firefox in debian? |
| 16:42.10 | NagyZ | o rcompile your own ;) |
| 16:42.16 | NagyZ | this naming debate sucks, people |
| 16:42.24 | NagyZ | iceweasel.. firefox.. DSFG.. my ass. |
| 16:42.31 | Coke | they've changed name? |
| 16:42.34 | NagyZ | no |
| 16:42.36 | Ronin | Coke: going to |
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| 16:42.40 | NagyZ | firefox remains |
| 16:42.43 | odla|U | c'est le vie...i was just curious if anyone knew when the change would take place |
| 16:42.43 | Coke | how come? |
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| 16:42.47 | fluxdude | I've just gone round configuring ntp on all my servers but am a bit confused on this debian machine, dpkg -L ntp shows the files, but there is no ntpd ntp.conf ntp-date or anything, how does it work then and how do I configure it to use my local ntp servers |
| 16:42.50 | kenro | Coke: p3, too old for dualcore. apt-cache/synaptic says it's a plain -686 kernel. uname says it's a smp. |
| 16:43.06 | NagyZ | just debian cant accept anything thats not good enough for them |
| 16:43.07 | black_13 | how i capture all the output that occurse when i boot my machine |
| 16:43.11 | NagyZ | (but good enough for anybody else) |
| 16:43.16 | Coke | fluxdude: does ntp require ntp-date ? |
| 16:43.26 | black_13 | dmesg does not have all these values |
| 16:43.38 | Coke | kenro: odd |
| 16:43.43 | kenro | yeah |
| 16:43.44 | odla|U | NagyZ: part of debian is the DSFG and that's what makes debian different and better |
| 16:43.54 | Coke | fluxdude: also, check /etc/default/ |
| 16:43.55 | NagyZ | different? sure. better? well.. ;-) |
| 16:44.05 | odla|U | NagyZ: it's debatable |
| 16:44.09 | NagyZ | better then what? |
| 16:44.21 | NagyZ | I love debian's simplicity |
| 16:44.25 | Braindead | it's not better than sex |
| 16:44.29 | NagyZ | for sure. |
| 16:44.30 | NagyZ | sex rocks |
| 16:44.31 | cydork | !tell black_13 about bootlog |
| 16:44.31 | NagyZ | ;)) |
| 16:44.39 | kenro | oh well... time will tell of stability. Prolly better keep my obsel img, huh? |
| 16:44.49 | odla|U | NagyZ: well it's better cause it provides a baseline for free software |
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| 16:45.00 | odla|U | but this discussion is always a waste of time :p |
| 16:45.03 | black_13 | !bootlog |
| 16:45.04 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
| 16:45.04 | NagyZ | ;) |
| 16:45.16 | NagyZ | ah my head aches |
| 16:45.28 | cydork | kenro: do you see 2 cpus in /proc/cpuinfo? |
| 16:45.30 | NagyZ | yet I need to compile this damned xorg module for this shitty shit |
| 16:45.38 | odla|U | any suggestions on a good mailing list to subscribe to if i'm running sid? debian-devel? |
| 16:45.51 | NagyZ | why would you want to subscribe to anything? |
| 16:45.59 | odla|U | NagyZ: shitty shit...is that redundant? :) |
| 16:46.02 | NagyZ | running a distro and reading mails are two different things ;) |
| 16:46.06 | NagyZ | of course, raid1 ;)) |
| 16:46.09 | cydork | odla|U: use apt-listbugs :P |
| 16:46.10 | odla|U | NagyZ: to avoid problems |
| 16:46.14 | NagyZ | you cant. |
| 16:46.14 | NagyZ | :) |
| 16:46.16 | kenro | cydork: odel name : Pentium III (Coppermine) |
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| 16:46.23 | NagyZ | odla|U use etch... |
| 16:46.27 | NagyZ | whats in sid that you need? |
| 16:46.35 | cydork | kenro: you see only one cpu in that right? |
| 16:46.43 | kenro | correct |
| 16:46.43 | odla|U | NagyZ: well too minimize problems...i've run etch for 3 years and i like to play and tinker and break stuff...so i want to play with sid |
| 16:46.50 | NagyZ | :) |
| 16:46.54 | odla|U | NagyZ: well not etch but testing i guess |
| 16:46.59 | NagyZ | thats the same |
| 16:46.59 | NagyZ | ;) |
| 16:47.07 | NagyZ | but I get what you mean |
| 16:47.14 | kenro | cydork: pastespace? |
| 16:47.15 | NagyZ | i'm using sid for like 4 years |
| 16:47.20 | odla|U | cydork: yeah i have apt-listbugs installed |
| 16:47.26 | cydork | !paster |
| 16:47.26 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:47.36 | Thaiger | I built a copy of vim from source that put itself in /usr/local/bin/vim, I had some trouble with it so I erased it, but now everytime I do a vim on the command line it complains that it can't find /usr/local/bin/vim even though there is a /usr/bin/vim |
| 16:47.42 | black_13 | cydork i found something called boologd |
| 16:47.56 | cydork | !boodlog |
| 16:48.01 | cydork | !bootlog |
| 16:48.01 | dpkg | /etc/default/bootlogd now defaults to "no". Edit that to get your /var/log/boot file back. For more info, see bugs.debian.org/213028, or not a command (opposed to dmesg) |
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| 16:48.11 | kenro | cydork: I'll show you the whole thing in #flood... |
| 16:48.30 | NagyZ | anybody using here geode lx? |
| 16:49.08 | black_13 | cydork lets see what it does! |
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| 16:50.34 | g333k | Besides of Anjuta and KDevelop, another IDE for C/C++ ? |
| 16:50.48 | wols | NagyZ: ask your real question |
| 16:50.56 | cydork | g333k: eclipse but it's bloated :P |
| 16:50.58 | NagyZ | I have a lot... ;-) |
| 16:51.04 | NagyZ | for example, how can I get mplayer to work on fb |
| 16:51.11 | NagyZ | how can I get the amd driver to work with debian's xfree |
| 16:51.30 | wols | NagyZ: what videochipset is it? |
| 16:51.36 | NagyZ | no chipset. |
| 16:51.36 | kenro | !ndiswrapper oneliner |
| 16:51.42 | NagyZ | geode lx is an integrated embedded stuff |
| 16:51.52 | wols | NagyZ: it is a videochipset even if embedded. |
| 16:52.00 | cydork | !tell kenro about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 16:52.03 | NagyZ | it's integrated into the processor |
| 16:52.15 | wols | NagyZ: it's still a videochipset. so what is it? |
| 16:52.37 | NagyZ | 00:01.1 VGA compatible controller: Advanced Micro Devices [AMD] Geode LX Video |
| 16:52.39 | NagyZ | what else could I say? |
| 16:53.12 | wols | have you compiled the driver from amd? |
| 16:53.14 | NagyZ | I have v4l2 driver for this, and xorg driver, but cant get fb and x to work :) |
| 16:53.38 | wols | then use xorg |
| 16:54.35 | kenro | cydork: So what's wrong with the pkg, that I should compile it? |
| 16:54.52 | kenro | cydork: So what's wrong with the .deb, that I should compile it? |
| 16:55.00 | cydork | kenro: which deb? |
| 16:55.08 | kenro | ndiswrapper |
| 16:55.27 | kenro | coz it's compiling from source. |
| 16:55.37 | cydork | kenro: ndiswrapper comes as a module source so you have to |
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| 16:56.21 | kenro | cydork: Then modprobe ndiswrapper? |
| 16:56.29 | cydork | kenro: yep |
| 16:56.47 | kenro | With the card already inserted... |
| 16:56.54 | kenro | don't answer that :) |
| 16:57.00 | cydork | :) |
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| 16:57.46 | cydork | wols: so did you get lftp workin? |
| 16:57.49 | kenro | Cool. I'm online. Now, how to get udev to do it? |
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| 16:58.26 | okkel | Hallo |
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| 16:58.31 | NagyZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.31 | NagyZ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:58.33 | NagyZ | what the heck |
| 16:58.59 | cydork | kenro: just put that in /etc/modules so it will start at the startup. |
| 16:59.27 | okkel | How can i set up a server for a thin client? |
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| 16:59.47 | cydork | okkel: ltsp? |
| 16:59.50 | kenro | cydork: nano /etc/modules; modprobe ndiswrapper |
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| 17:00.03 | okkel | ltsp? |
| 17:00.13 | cydork | kenro: nope just ndiswrapper |
| 17:00.24 | kenro | okie |
| 17:00.34 | cydork | !info ltsp-server |
| 17:00.42 | dpkg | ltsp-server: (Basic LTSP server environment), section misc, is extra. Version: 0.99debian5 (sid), Packaged size: 43 kB, Installed size: 420 kB |
| 17:00.49 | cydork | bah |
| 17:00.56 | cydork | okkel: check ltsp.org |
| 17:01.06 | okkel | ok, thanks |
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| 17:02.24 | vn4 | hello |
| 17:02.35 | vn4 | mailq gives me a bumch of emails. how can I force the delivery? |
| 17:02.41 | kenro | cydork: man -k=apropos? |
| 17:02.49 | vn4 | sendmail is running actually |
| 17:03.10 | cydork | kenro: huh?? |
| 17:03.14 | kenro | nothing |
| 17:03.38 | kenro | I'll figure it out. Trying to eject the card, forget how. |
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| 17:04.29 | wols | !sendmail |
| 17:04.29 | dpkg | somebody said sendmail was one of the orginal MTAs. Generally, if you don't know why you'd want to run sendmail, you shouldn't. Use nullmailer, esmtp, exim or postfix instead. |
| 17:04.56 | kenro | !exim4 |
| 17:04.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, exim4 is the default MTA in Debian sarge. The Debian package has a debconf-driven configuration which greatly eases configuration for most run-of-the-mill applications. E-Mail is a complicated matter, so it might be necessary to read a lot of documentation to allow more advanced features. exim4 is very powerful and flexible. Find more about Debian's exim4 on http://pkg-exim4.alioth.debian.org/ |
| 17:05.37 | kenro | question... Why run mta at all? |
| 17:05.59 | okkel | I have one more question....aside from having a bad ey oard....i use openvpn as vpn server with shorewall firewall. I have to restart shorewall after a client connects to openvpn to enable openvpn clients to connect to the services running on tun0 |
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| 17:06.47 | Ono | hi |
| 17:06.53 | Ono | how can i clear dns cache? |
| 17:08.04 | Ono | /etc/rc.d/init.d/nscd restart |
| 17:08.04 | Ono | hmm ok |
| 17:08.04 | wols | Ono: depends on your dns servre |
| 17:08.04 | wols | simply restart it |
| 17:08.42 | Ono | this isn't work |
| 17:08.46 | Ono | i cant restart |
| 17:09.00 | wols | why can't you? |
| 17:09.25 | Ono | because i need learnd how to clear dns cache :) |
| 17:09.45 | wols | WHAT cache |
| 17:09.46 | wols | ? |
| 17:10.04 | valdyn | Ono: read the documentation to your dns server |
| 17:10.06 | kenro | Which is better to pull email from various sites and accounts into one central host? Specific tool or general MTA? |
| 17:10.24 | Ono | valdyn, its not about my server |
| 17:10.25 | valdyn | kenro: none is better, its up to you and your needs |
| 17:10.34 | Ono | i need clear dns client cache |
| 17:10.36 | wols | kenro: MTAs can't "pull" |
| 17:10.39 | valdyn | Ono: where do you think cache is? |
| 17:10.48 | amphi | kenro: sounds like a job for fetchmail |
| 17:10.53 | valdyn | Ono: there's no dns client cache |
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| 17:11.31 | kenro | amphi: a la MS whatchyacallit? |
| 17:11.39 | amphi | kenro: huh/ |
| 17:11.40 | amphi | ? |
| 17:11.57 | valdyn | Ono: you may want to read the manpage to 'gethostbyname()' |
| 17:12.10 | Ono | valdyn, ok i understand |
| 17:12.15 | Ono | 'there's no dns client cache' |
| 17:12.35 | wols | Ono: your linux client has NO cache |
| 17:12.43 | Ono | just restart bind ok thanks |
| 17:12.44 | kenro | amphi: Note to self. Don't assume others can remind me. Research it myself. |
| 17:12.48 | wols | eiter you have a caching DNS server or youdon't have a cache |
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| 17:13.15 | Ono | ok thanks |
| 17:13.15 | wols | !confuse kenro |
| 17:13.15 | dpkg | Yes, those was your pineapple tomorrow, kenro? breeches of the monarchy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 17:13.26 | amphi | kenro: apt-cache show fetchmail |
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| 17:15.38 | cydork | !qotd |
| 17:15.38 | dpkg | Quote of the Day. Ask me <qotd0> to get a random one, or <literal qotd0> to see which numbers are used already, or <literal qotdx> to see which numbers have been voted "replaceable". |
| 17:15.41 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 17:15.42 | dpkg | < hp_omnifook_2000> sry, i'm still windows-dumb |
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| 17:17.26 | limpio | hi all, how do i reconfigure username/password on a fresh installation, i can only login as root. |
| 17:17.59 | eeyore- | limpio: useradd or adduser, whichever one you like better |
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| 17:19.03 | limpio | eeyore- i tried that as root from console and no dice |
| 17:19.28 | cydork | limpio: why not? |
| 17:19.43 | enouf | !qotd67 |
| 17:19.43 | dpkg | <TheCrazedLog> So anyone got any pearls of wisdom they care to pass on? <TheCrazedLog> that are relevant to my problem =P <sussudio> don't eat the yellow snow |
| 17:19.48 | limpio | cydork: i don't know |
| 17:20.03 | cydork | limpio: i mean what happens if you do that? |
| 17:20.50 | limpio | cydork, it says something about two words and that's it |
| 17:21.10 | fluxdude | Coke: no but ntpdate is supposed to be part of the ntp package, and it does require ntpd... |
| 17:21.14 | wols | limpio: EXACT error messages. otherwise what you say is worthless |
| 17:21.15 | cydork | limpio: paste it in a paster |
| 17:21.17 | cydork | !paster |
| 17:21.17 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 17:21.29 | eeyore- | limpio: you don't need dice |
| 17:21.41 | wols | fluxdude: it is not |
| 17:21.53 | limpio | ok |
| 17:21.59 | eeyore- | fluxdude: ntpdate does not need ntpd |
| 17:22.04 | wols | !customer |
| 17:22.04 | dpkg | Another happy customer leaves the building |
| 17:22.09 | eeyore- | fluxdude: actually, ntpdate *cannot* run if ntpd is running |
| 17:22.41 | fluxdude | I know that, I've done a fair bit on ntp lately |
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| 17:22.47 | wols | fluxdude: so why do you say it does need ntpd? |
| 17:22.55 | wols | you should know that is wrong |
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| 17:23.05 | fluxdude | but ntpdate can also be used for one-shot or cron. usually ntpd is left in the background to manage drift and keep the clock synced against another timeserver(s) |
| 17:23.35 | fluxdude | no, I said it's in the package usually, in other distros it definitely is, I've just done it |
| 17:23.40 | eeyore- | oooh, ext4? |
| 17:23.42 | eeyore- | 4? |
| 17:23.59 | wols | fluxdude: then check what channel you talk in next time perhaps |
| 17:24.05 | eeyore- | anybody know more about it? does it let you grow volumes dynamically? that'd be reason i'd want to use one |
| 17:24.11 | wols | and you didn't say anything about "usually" |
| 17:24.33 | eeyore- | ok boys, quit your chest beating :-) |
| 17:24.47 | fluxdude | wols: look, without ntpdate or ntpd, how else do you think you should sync the clock via ntp? |
| 17:25.00 | wols | fluxdude: yluj |
| 17:25.08 | wols | you said ntpdate requires ntpd |
| 17:25.20 | fluxdude | I'm sorry, I don't want to be part of any chest-beating, I just wanted a straight forward answer... |
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| 17:26.26 | eeyore- | fluxdude: actually the ntpd ported from openbsd works "better" since it doesn't need separate command line utility to set time if drift is too large (you just need -s parameter) |
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| 17:28.06 | fluxdude | wols: back to the proper issue, dpkg -L ntp shows neither ntpd nor ntpdate so I'm wondering if there is something wrong or if this is intentional because I can't see anything else in the package that can affect ntp synchronisation... |
| 17:28.42 | fluxdude | eeyore-: ok thanks for the tip, I previously read in a man page or somewhere it can force the sync across large time differences, I guess that must be it |
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| 17:30.42 | Andy_CARP | what is the easiest way to configure an X server and kde's resolution? other that xf86config... |
| 17:30.44 | Thaiger | I had a copy of vim in /usr/local/bin/ but then I erased it and I thought calling vim would just then go to /usr/bin/vim since /usr/bin is of course in my path, but it keeps saying no such file /usr/local/bin/vim. How do I change it? |
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| 17:31.58 | eeyore- | Andy_CARP: X RandR, gnome |
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| 17:32.21 | eeyore- | Andy_CARP: KDE might have a thingie to configure X RandR extension, but i don't know for sure |
| 17:32.25 | kenro | Bah. Still no wlan ifconfig... |
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| 17:32.45 | eeyore- | Thaiger: "rehash" or "hash -r" |
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| 17:33.14 | Andy_CARP | eeyore- the name of program is RandR? |
| 17:33.28 | eeyore- | Andy_CARP: no, randr is the technology (Rotate & Resize) |
| 17:33.37 | kenro | resize and rotate |
| 17:33.39 | eeyore- | Andy_CARP: or something like that anyway :-) |
| 17:33.52 | Andy_CARP | eeyore-thx |
| 17:34.23 | cydork | kenro: what does iwconfig say? |
| 17:35.10 | kenro | cydork: gotchya... |
| 17:35.22 | kenro | er... I see... |
| 17:35.35 | limpio | hi all, this is the error adduser gives me when i tried it as root: "only one or two names allowed" any ideas? |
| 17:35.49 | cydork | limpio: man adduser |
| 17:36.42 | kenro | cydork: cmd isn't wireless configuration, but interface wireless... |
| 17:37.13 | kenro | I've been trying wconfig. No such command. ;) |
| 17:37.16 | cydork | kenro: do you have wireless-utils installed? |
| 17:37.26 | kenro | checking |
| 17:37.33 | limpio | cydork: done already - no fucking dice |
| 17:37.45 | cydork | kenro: sorry wireless-tools |
| 17:38.13 | cydork | limpio: what is the full command are you using? |
| 17:38.44 | limpio | cydork: #adduser <Enter> |
| 17:39.05 | kenro | Silly me. Read as wireless-tools. Odd. I guess I know more than I think. Yes. It's installed. |
| 17:39.29 | cydork | limpio: you need username :P |
| 17:40.10 | cydork | kenro: so check the output of iwconfig. |
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| 17:40.21 | kenro | cydork: Maybe I just need to be using this lappy while under hypnosis. I'll remember everything better, then. |
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| 17:41.17 | kenro | cydork: And I said iwconfig shows wlan0. |
| 17:41.38 | cydork | kenro: then it's working :P |
| 17:41.40 | limpio | cydork, i apologyze, my bad, was losing my cool |
| 17:41.41 | eeyore- | limpio: so let me get this straight ... |
| 17:42.00 | eeyore- | limpio: you can't handle a simple thing like "adduser" script, and you get mad, and you start swearing ... |
| 17:42.11 | kenro | cydork: Yes. But dhclient fails for wlan0. |
| 17:42.22 | Andy_CARP | anyone lnows where can I obtain a driver for HP Scanjet 3800? |
| 17:42.25 | eeyore- | limpio: what, you're THAT sure of yourself that you couldn't have been wrong, so it must be US who were wrong? what kind of attitude is this? |
| 17:42.34 | cydork | !tell Andy_CARP about linux printers |
| 17:42.41 | cydork | !tell Andy_CARP about printers |
| 17:42.46 | HardDisk_WP | fuuuuuuucl |
| 17:42.52 | HardDisk_WP | mysql ruined :-( |
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| 17:43.10 | HardDisk_WP | anyone want to give a noob a walkthrough to get mysql running? |
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| 17:43.35 | eeyore- | kenro: chip? |
| 17:43.36 | valdyn | !sing sunday |
| 17:43.37 | dpkg | Everyday is like sunday... Everyday the tards come to play... |
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| 17:44.10 | teclo | What is the channel for chinese-speakers ? |
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| 17:44.17 | cydork | kenro: did you set essid? :P |
| 17:44.21 | Andy_CARP | cydork I mean a scanner not a printer |
| 17:44.38 | eeyore- | cydork: it's plausible he needs firmware for his chip ... so interface is really not ready |
| 17:44.39 | kenro | eeyore-: for wireless card? Marvell. |
| 17:44.45 | kenro | cydork: huh? |
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| 17:45.22 | cydork | eeyore-: he is using ndiswrapper . |
| 17:45.29 | cydork | Andy_CARP: try sane |
| 17:45.55 | cydork | kenro: do you see ap in iwlist scan |
| 17:45.59 | Andy_CARP | cydork ok |
| 17:45.59 | kenro | !def tard |
| 17:46.18 | kenro | ! tard |
| 17:46.18 | dpkg | it has been said that tard is short for retard; see <gentoo> |
| 17:46.23 | mcgreg | hi, I recognised somehting strange: in the beginning of my fresh installation.. and so time after too I could use mplayer with sound and xmms with sound, both played sound at the same time.. it doesnt wortk anymore, for unknown reason. anyone has an idea? |
| 17:46.46 | kenro | Retard... That's like a mongoloid? |
| 17:46.49 | mcgreg | I mean, I can only play sound from one source |
| 17:47.07 | kenro | Hey now, I'm from Ulan Bator... |
| 17:47.25 | kenro | Watch yourself, bot. |
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| 17:48.17 | kenro | cydork: iwlist is empty. |
| 17:48.42 | cydork | kenro: then how no access point .. |
| 17:49.14 | kenro | [interface] ap |
| 17:49.18 | NagyZ | hm |
| 17:49.19 | kenro | dunno |
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| 17:49.26 | NagyZ | how sould I create /dev/chimarron? |
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| 17:50.12 | kenro | NagyZ: cd /dev;MAKEDEV chimarron |
| 17:50.50 | NagyZ | no... |
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| 17:51.02 | NagyZ | I found out it spells correctly as "cimarron" |
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| 17:51.21 | kenro | I was wodering... |
| 17:52.32 | JordiGH | Singular is now fully GPLed! |
| 17:52.33 | NagyZ | what is singular? |
| 17:52.51 | kenro | Well my wireless iface still doesn't work, but I found a spot to get ether connect. Maybe I don't hafta go to Vegas after all. |
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| 17:53.17 | JordiGH | NagyZ: Highly specialised mathematical software. I'm just very happy about this, because I've been nagging its authors to change its licensing terms. |
| 17:53.28 | NagyZ | what area? |
| 17:54.06 | JordiGH | NagyZ: Ooh. Algebraic geometry. Probably still too advanced for a second year undergrad, but maybe you'll get into it someday. |
| 17:54.24 | cydork | JordiGH: great :) |
| 17:54.26 | NagyZ | I've heard of the subject |
| 17:54.49 | stew | a^2 + b^2 = c^2 |
| 17:54.50 | NagyZ | if I know the dev's minor, can I mknod it somehow? |
| 17:54.59 | eeyore- | cydork: with my ndiswrapper and the chipset (mmmm, forget which) it would just die (as in, not associate or anything) if signal strength was below a certain threshold |
| 17:55.03 | disasm | JordiGH: what was it's previous license? |
| 17:55.09 | eeyore- | cydork: aggravating |
| 17:55.12 | JordiGH | stew: You may be joking, but that is in fact tangentially relevant to algebraic geometry. :-) |
| 17:55.20 | stew | (-2ab cos c) |
| 17:55.40 | stew | or something like that |
| 17:55.42 | stew | :) |
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| 17:56.02 | NagyZ | I've spent the morning integrating polinomials with more than one complex roots.. ;) |
| 17:56.25 | kenro | stew: In that case, what's a + b times the sqare root of 1? |
| 17:56.31 | cydork | eeyore-: i am using it over 6 months now. no problems till date |
| 17:56.39 | JordiGH | disasm: It was GPL, but one of its components overrode the GPL. The author forbade commercial distribution or modification by anyone who wasn't one of the "Singular copyright holders". It's strange, because the author of said module contributes lots of other free software. He's now agreed to let the GPL apply to his own module too, which, by the way, was kinda essential. |
| 17:57.01 | stew | kenro: around 42 |
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| 17:57.17 | JordiGH | NagyZ: Cauchy residue theorem? Ah, good stuff. |
| 17:57.23 | UB-Gast698 | huhu @all |
| 17:57.24 | kenro | stew: Mr Adams says 42 answers everything... |
| 17:57.40 | Ronin | kenro: life universe and everything etc |
| 17:57.49 | Charminthemoose | kenro:But what IS the question? |
| 17:57.52 | zinx | JordiGH: the GPL doesn't allow anyone to add extra restrictions, so it wasn't GPL :/ |
| 17:57.58 | UB-Gast698 | we are from germany , can you help me ? |
| 17:58.05 | Ronin | UB-Gast698: best just to ask your question |
| 17:58.37 | UB-Gast698 | i ned a ftp server for linux , can you ask me a programm ? |
| 17:58.37 | JordiGH | zinx: It was like this: "Singular is GPL except for indidivual components that may override the GPL". One of those core components (a memory management library) did exactly that. |
| 17:58.50 | Nibbier | UB-Gast698, first, join #debian.de |
| 17:58.50 | disasm | UB-Gast698: ftpd? |
| 17:58.56 | Nibbier | i guess youll have more fun there :) |
| 17:59.01 | NagyZ | JordiGH :) |
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| 17:59.04 | wols | !vsftpd |
| 17:59.05 | dpkg | methinks vsftpd is a GPL licensed FTP server for UNIX systems, including Linux. It is secure and extremely fast. It is stable. Don't take my word for it, though. Below, we will see evidence supporting all three assertions. We will also see a list of a few important sites which are happily using vsftpd. This demonstrates vsftpd is a mature and trusted solution. used by large sites such as ftp://ftp.redhat.com ftp://ftp.kernel.org ftp://ftp.openbsd.org ... |
| 17:59.06 | zinx | JordiGH: ah |
| 17:59.07 | Ronin | UB-Gast698: if you must use ftp try vsftpd |
| 17:59.10 | eeyore- | JordiGH: so, replace the memory management with something else that's GPL, keeping the API the same |
| 17:59.15 | zinx | JordiGH: then it's not legal |
| 17:59.18 | valdyn | !ftp must die |
| 17:59.19 | dpkg | FTP MUST DIE! http://wooledge.org/mywiki/FtpMustDie |
| 17:59.31 | kenro | charm: I'll let my laywers answer that one. |
| 17:59.37 | JordiGH | eeyore-: Now it is. :-) |
| 17:59.38 | kenro | I'm inocent. |
| 17:59.56 | JordiGH | Er, zinx, yes it is legal. You can give whatever license you want. |
| 18:00.03 | UB-Gast698 | ftpd <--- this is a programm ? |
| 18:00.09 | JordiGH | eeyore-: That's no longer necessary. Hence my excitement. :-) |
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| 18:00.32 | UB-Gast698 | okay thank you |
| 18:00.39 | wols | JordiGH: yes it's illegal but the software is not distributable |
| 18:00.40 | kenro | !ftp alternative |
| 18:00.48 | wols | at least if you didn't write all yourself |
| 18:00.56 | kenro | whatever |
| 18:00.58 | wols | e.g. you can't mix GPL libs and non GPL libs, period |
| 18:01.23 | JordiGH | wols: You can give a license that says "this clause in the GPL doesn't apply to my work" if you want. |
| 18:01.31 | valdyn | wols: which is why many libs are lgpl anyway |
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| 18:02.00 | stew | wols: that's not true |
| 18:02.15 | wols | JordiGH: sure, but depending what you removed, you can't link it to other GPLed stuff |
| 18:02.24 | stew | wols: why not? |
| 18:02.41 | wols | stew: ok, some can be mixed agreed. depends on license |
| 18:03.16 | wols | stew: cause your resulting "improved" GPL might have resulted in an ufree license which is not GPL compatible |
| 18:03.24 | stew | wols: mixing gpl and non-gpl is fine as long as the non-gpl license doesn't add any addition restrictions |
| 18:03.38 | wols | stew: yes, should have been more clear |
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| 18:05.32 | kenro | Well I give up on my wireless card. Guess I'll just hafta write off the waste, bite the bullet and make SURE I get a prism54. |
| 18:05.57 | JordiGH | Ooh, I forgot. This weekend I'm installing Debian on a friend's lappy. It's gonna be a wiiiild night! :D |
| 18:06.19 | XJih78 | does anybody know of any vector graphics drawer tool for linux |
| 18:06.19 | kenro | JordiGH: Wild how? |
| 18:06.44 | kenro | Xlib: Sodipodi? |
| 18:06.51 | n3kl_ | Perhaps I am doing something wrong, but has anyone ever run into an issue where you need to reinstall the nvidia driver every time you reboot before you can startx |
| 18:06.54 | n3kl_ | ? |
| 18:07.05 | kenro | Xlih: Sodipodi? |
| 18:07.20 | valdyn | n3kl_: 'echo nvidia >> /etc/modules', try a reboot again |
| 18:07.33 | kenro | I hate over-complex funky netnicks. |
| 18:07.45 | wols | n3kl_: add "nvidia" in /etc/modules |
| 18:08.00 | Malagmyr | What's the regular expression for a newline? |
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| 18:08.00 | n3kl_ | valdyn: I bet thats it, thanks... But shouln't the driver load with X? |
| 18:08.05 | JordiGH | kenro: Installing Debian is always exciting, but all these wussy GUIs and sissy scripts they've been putting into the latest installer have taken some of the magic away. ;-) |
| 18:08.19 | valdyn | n3kl_: not in sarge, i think |
| 18:08.22 | wols | !nickometer n3kl_ |
| 18:08.24 | dpkg | 'n3kl_' is 22.000% lame, wols |
| 18:08.44 | valdyn | n3kl_: but since you are probably not even using debian's nvidia package(s), i cant help there |
| 18:09.07 | n3kl_ | k |
| 18:09.21 | kenro | JordiGH: sissy scripts like internal mailer security? Been there for a while now. I haven't noticed anything new. |
| 18:09.24 | n3kl_ | !nickometer wols |
| 18:09.26 | dpkg | 'wols' is 0.000% lame, n3kl_ |
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| 18:09.30 | n3kl_ | damn |
| 18:10.06 | kenro | JordiGH: I've been here since arond Woody. |
| 18:10.12 | n3kl_ | !nvidia |
| 18:10.12 | dpkg | methinks nvidia is DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
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| 18:10.52 | JordiGH | kenro: The Debian installer got a facelift last time I tried it. I can't recall specifics, though. :-/ |
| 18:11.07 | JordiGH | kenro: I think it doesn't need a reboot anymore, for one. |
| 18:11.18 | pickcoder | Malagmyr: you can escape 'n' or a variety of numerical bases for decimal 10 |
| 18:11.30 | Charminthemoose | is it possible for me to get as my default blinking cursor the solid white block in text mode or am i being an idiot? |
| 18:11.31 | kenro | JordiGH: eh... this one did... |
| 18:11.38 | JordiGH | kenro: When did you last try it? |
| 18:11.44 | JordiGH | kenro: The netinstall? |
| 18:12.06 | JordiGH | Charminthemoose: Text mode where? |
| 18:12.56 | kenro | JordiGH: Actuall net install? Hey, I'm not even sure what the * it is. I got a computer dealer to do it for 50 dollars. He skrewed everything up. |
| 18:13.05 | cyzie | hi, i have 4 HDDs. ( 2 x 80GB (SATA) , 1 X 80GB (PATA) and 1 x 40GB), what i plan is that, i will run hardware raid 1 on the 2 same 80GB. then the other 2, i would like to mount them on /home with LVM. any tips/advice/comment ? |
| 18:13.59 | Charminthemoose | JordiGH:Runlevl 3 |
| 18:14.01 | h3sp4wn | cyzie: Any raid card which is cheap will not be hardware raid (a real hardware raid card would be more than all the drives together are worth - unless from ebay) |
| 18:14.07 | JordiGH | kenro: Aw, that's a shame. I have dreams of getting Debian working perfectly with free drivers on the next computer I buy. |
| 18:14.23 | JordiGH | Charminthemoose: Oh. You mean, you want a solid block cursor in your ttys? |
| 18:14.45 | JordiGH | kenro: I heard Intel video cards are good. Don't buy nvidia and ATI, heh. ;-) |
| 18:14.49 | disasm | cyzie: you might be better off using mdraid with linux |
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| 18:15.08 | kenro | JordiGH: Part of it was he sets the ndiswrapper. He never could get it, I never could get it, I checked several of the MS files and they all read empty. |
| 18:15.17 | Charminthemoose | JordiGH:Yeah.:) just for the hell of it |
| 18:15.46 | JordiGH | Charminthemoose: Your ideas are intriguing to me, and I wish to subscribe to your newsletter. Let's see what the internets have to say on the matter. |
| 18:16.35 | Charminthemoose | pff |
| 18:16.35 | kenro | JordiGH: Can you imagine mdiswrapper failing to install install a zero-byte file? |
| 18:16.56 | disasm | Charminthemoose: is that charming the moose or "Charmin" (the toilet paper pronounced as sh) the moose? |
| 18:17.16 | enouf | oh boy .. not again |
| 18:17.16 | cyzie | h3sp4wn, but the capacity and the interface are different. bring them all together under raid? |
| 18:17.23 | cyzie | disasm mdraid ? |
| 18:17.33 | JordiGH | kenro: Outrageous! :-) |
| 18:17.44 | Charminthemoose | 'tis 'Charmin' the moose |
| 18:17.47 | Charminthemoose | :) |
| 18:17.53 | disasm | cyzie: linux software raid, unless your planning on spending a couple thousand on a controller |
| 18:17.54 | kenro | JordiGH: As for vidcards, I got a Savage S3. I wonder if I can get 3d accel on it... |
| 18:18.31 | JordiGH | kenro: Hm, S3. I had an old one of those for a while. Do they still make them? 3d acceleration is kinda important; useful for visualisation of mathematics. |
| 18:18.43 | disasm | Charminthemoose: thanks for clarifying, was driving me nuts reading it in my head with a hard ch and soft ch and not knowing which one it was |
| 18:18.49 | kenro | I'm just dying to try Boson, but the * thing keeps rebooting my comp. |
| 18:19.01 | JordiGH | Crap, I wish I could copy-paste from X to one of my ttys. |
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| 18:19.16 | phogg | JordiGH: xclip |
| 18:19.17 | pickcoder | Charminthemoose: echo -e '\033[?6c' |
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| 18:19.30 | JordiGH | echo -e "\033[?2;8;32;c" |
| 18:19.36 | JordiGH | Er, yes. That's what I just found. |
| 18:19.44 | wasabi | Heya. I need some debian-installer help. Trying to understand parts of d-i, to do an install onto evms. I'm booted on a d-i CD... I've installed evms into the installer system using udpkg --unpack. This has actually worked. EVMS runs and detects everything. |
| 18:19.52 | wasabi | My problem is I need to bypass partman in d-i |
| 18:19.53 | disasm | cyzie: mdraid will make a raid at the software level, no raid controller needed, it's what I use in my server (raid 5) with 4 300 GB hds |
| 18:19.56 | wasabi | because it locks up on my md vols |
| 18:20.00 | h3sp4wn | cyzie: I would never use anything other than real hardware raid (with matching disks) anything cheap will be software |
| 18:20.07 | kenro | JordiGH: Visualization sims are cool. Especially in video storytelling. |
| 18:20.41 | JordiGH | kenro: Heh. It's also a good way to ask for funding. We do mathematics in order to make pretty animations to show to the government. :P |
| 18:20.48 | eeyore- | software-raid = faster than speeding bullet, unless your IDE chipset has issues :-) |
| 18:21.11 | eeyore- | mine did. sil-something or other, sata, external high-density connector |
| 18:21.23 | cyzie | disasm, do u have a good links for mdraid ? |
| 18:22.11 | cyzie | h3sp4wn, i have arelady 4 HDDs. id ont think i wanna spend anymoer buying hardware raid or hdds anytime. |
| 18:22.38 | disasm | cyzie: http://www.howtoforge.org/linux_software_raid |
| 18:23.05 | kenro | JordiGH: I am to Raster as honey to KFC biscuit topping. Variously-skilled artists taking a long time out to learn computer graphics skills. |
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| 18:23.40 | eifzone | does deb support c2d? |
| 18:23.44 | kenro | JordiGH: Whatever THAT means... |
| 18:23.45 | disasm | cyzie: how mission critical is this machine? |
| 18:24.31 | cyzie | disasm, it just my server at home. i run it 24 x 7 |
| 18:24.43 | Charminthemoose | pickcoder:Where do i put that code? |
| 18:24.54 | pickcoder | run it |
| 18:25.03 | Charminthemoose | at the terminal? |
| 18:25.08 | pickcoder | yes |
| 18:25.10 | JordiGH | pickcoder: Neato. How about stopping the blinking? |
| 18:25.13 | kenro | JordiGH: I always was a troller/spammer. Prolly always will be. |
| 18:25.17 | pickcoder | hrm |
| 18:25.33 | pickcoder | I just closed the page |
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| 18:26.16 | cyzie | disasm, thaks for the GOOD links ;) |
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| 18:26.33 | pickcoder | JordiGH: |
| 18:26.34 | pickcoder | http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/VGA-softcursor.txt |
| 18:26.51 | JordiGH | Heh, .txt |
| 18:27.11 | JordiGH | I always thought that was a silly file extension. Might as well name it .file :-) |
| 18:27.18 | Charminthemoose | thanks alot pickcoder |
| 18:27.25 | pickcoder | it's actually rendered as HTML |
| 18:27.32 | pickcoder | Charminthemoose: no prob |
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| 18:27.50 | birdfish | Is there a package for screen? |
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| 18:28.07 | kenro | JordiGH: Aren't all file etx rather silly and arbitrary? |
| 18:28.38 | JordiGH | kenro: Try saying that to Microsoft. ("OMFG, THE FILE EXTENSION CHANGED, NOW I HAVE NO IDEA WHAT TO DO WITH THIS FILE!!") |
| 18:28.44 | amphi | birdfish: yes |
| 18:29.14 | zinx | JordiGH: "SO I'LL JUST RUN IT AS AN EXE WITHOUT PROMPTING" |
| 18:29.44 | kenro | JordiGH: Well, as pickcoder says, it's a html file, ext as .txt. |
| 18:29.45 | birdfish | amphi: what would I search for in apt? |
| 18:30.04 | birdfish | amphi: because when I query screen, I get a huge list of unrelated files. |
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| 18:31.00 | JordiGH | Yes, so I see. I'm so putting that code for the red unblinking cursor in .bashrc. :-) |
| 18:31.43 | disasm | cyzie: birdfish screen |
| 18:31.49 | disasm | oops ;-) |
| 18:31.51 | kenro | jord: VGA-softcursorr is a red unblinking? |
| 18:32.06 | cyzie | disasm, birdfish ? |
| 18:32.26 | JordiGH | kenro: echo -e '\033[?17;0;64c' |
| 18:32.31 | birdfish | =] |
| 18:32.48 | birdfish | Alright, I'll see about installing it. It's a lot more useful than dtach, isn't it? |
| 18:32.59 | eeyore- | JordiGH: isn't the cursor thing a function of your terminal window? |
| 18:33.42 | JordiGH | Yikes. Still 279 release-critical bugs. How low does the number have to go before the archive freeze? |
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| 18:33.54 | JordiGH | eeyore-: For the ttys. |
| 18:33.54 | valdyn | JordiGH: zero |
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| 18:34.39 | kenro | valdyn: Imagine a substance liquid to 0K... |
| 18:34.50 | kenro | zero kelvin scale |
| 18:35.00 | eeyore- | my putty cursor is red, vertical, and blinking :-) |
| 18:35.21 | valdyn | JordiGH: uh, you probably meant 'release' , freeze time has nothing to do with it |
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| 18:35.37 | eeyore- | too bad i can't set thickness of the vertical cursor ... |
| 18:35.51 | disasm | birdfish: screen is pretty sweet, I use it for IRC, running in on my server at home, so I can just login anywhere and get any messages/highlights people have left for me |
| 18:36.00 | JordiGH | valdyn: Am I misunderstanding the Debian release system? How does etch become stable? |
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| 18:36.17 | mike-digiport- | how can I assign a static IP to a box? |
| 18:36.30 | mike-digiport- | its a x.x.x.x/29, but the last octet is a .74 |
| 18:36.37 | wols | mike-digiport-: man interfaces |
| 18:36.39 | disasm | JordiGH: by freezing it, calling it a release, and creating a new testing branch |
| 18:36.43 | valdyn | JordiGH: freeze is arbitrary, more or less, a point where no features can be added ( no packages added or new versions ) |
| 18:36.58 | disasm | mike-digiport-: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:36.59 | valdyn | JordiGH: release is when there's zero rc bugs |
| 18:37.05 | JordiGH | valdyn: I thought that there came a time when the etch archives got frozen, a few months before its release, and that this freeze occurs when the number of RCBs is low. |
| 18:37.06 | kenro | Cute. I had the block cursor upon dist-upgrade. Now, I don't hafta overlay anything. I just now reaized. |
| 18:37.08 | valdyn | JordiGH: upon release etch = stable |
| 18:37.23 | kenro | Was this a maintaner bug? |
| 18:37.46 | valdyn | JordiGH: not really |
| 18:38.28 | valdyn | JordiGH: freeze is a preparation step for the release, making introduction of new RC bugs harder |
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| 18:38.43 | kenro | My typing, btw, has reay dnerated,... |
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| 18:38.54 | kenro | Bah |
| 18:39.05 | valdyn | JordiGH: but you could just read the policy to get the 'legal' wording |
| 18:39.06 | birdfish | disasm: That's what I was thinking about using it for. Because unfortunately sometimes the college domain interpheres with me accessing certain channels |
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| 18:39.21 | wols | kenro: irc does that |
| 18:39.23 | mike-digiport- | what would need to be in that file |
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| 18:39.37 | wols | mike-digiport-: man interfaces |
| 18:39.37 | mike-digiport- | cause for a dhcp lcine tbox that i have, it has the following: |
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| 18:39.47 | wols | !paster |
| 18:39.47 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 18:39.56 | mike-digiport- | auto lo, iface lo inet loopback, auto eth0, iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:39.57 | birdfish | disasm: how would it be to keep a bouncer running? |
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| 18:40.12 | kenro | vols: So does lengthy times away from keyboard-based communication systems. |
| 18:40.34 | JordiGH | valdyn: The policy is a thick volume whose printed version I left at home today. :P |
| 18:40.45 | pngwn | what's the next testing going to be named? |
| 18:40.50 | mike-digiport- | every comma is really a newline on my interfaces file |
| 18:41.15 | eifzone | how do i turn off ACPI ? |
| 18:41.34 | kenro | vols: Gotta stay in practice. Even if you only type with one finger. |
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| 18:41.35 | wols | !noacpi |
| 18:41.42 | wols | eifzone: noacpi as a boot parameter |
| 18:41.54 | eifzone | if iwant to boot as linux26? |
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| 18:42.14 | kenro | wols, not vols... bah |
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| 18:42.32 | kenro | I need better fonts. |
| 18:42.45 | valdyn | eifzone: acpi=off |
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| 18:43.01 | eifzone | shall i write acpi=off as a boot parameter? |
| 18:43.12 | valdyn | eifzone: linux26 acpi=off |
| 18:43.25 | eifzone | ty |
| 18:43.25 | eifzone | bbl |
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| 18:46.15 | JordiGH | Is Wikipedia down, or is it just me? |
| 18:47.11 | dendrite | JordiGH: Works from here. |
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| 18:49.07 | JordiGH | Crap. |
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| 18:49.20 | IndridCold | Hi, could someone shed some light on this for me? http://paste.devpipe.com/1135 |
| 18:49.39 | JordiGH | My sysadmin seems to randomly forbid me from visiting certain sites. Mostly free content/software sites, apparently, or maybe it's just those that I notice. |
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| 18:50.23 | Bhavesh | IndridCold: try apt-get -f install |
| 18:50.38 | dendrite | IndridCold: What flavor of debian are you running? And, did you try the suggested "apt-get -f install" ? |
| 18:50.40 | IndridCold | nevermind, just did an atp-get install on initrd-tools |
| 18:50.56 | IndridCold | im trying to update from sarge to etch |
| 18:51.13 | IndridCold | seems to be working now |
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| 18:51.35 | JordiGH | It's also worthwhile to try out aptitude -f install, which is often smarter. |
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| 18:52.17 | lwizardl | hi |
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| 18:52.31 | lwizardl | does the nVIDIA FX5500 card work under debian? |
| 18:52.46 | eifzone | how do i turn off acpi when i boot? |
| 18:52.58 | eifzone | i have tried, linux26 acpi=off and linux26 noacpi |
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| 18:53.14 | valdyn | eifzone: why do you think acpi is still on? |
| 18:53.32 | IndridCold | jordiGH so as I know for future reference would you explain why that is ? |
| 18:53.38 | Andy_CARP | Is it possible to sniff the switched network? I need do that because I need to measure the network traffic by ip/user |
| 18:53.41 | eifzone | when i shall install debian netinstall it just say, install with CD-rom and not net |
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| 18:54.06 | rapt501 | hello |
| 18:54.07 | eifzone | may i change something in bios |
| 18:54.13 | JordiGH | !aptitude |
| 18:54.13 | dpkg | well, aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
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| 18:54.44 | valdyn | eifzone: what is that supposed to have to do with acpi? |
| 18:54.55 | eifzone | dunno, but do i have to change anything in bios? |
| 18:54.57 | JordiGH | IndridCold: Look at the post in the Debian mailing lists. |
| 18:55.03 | valdyn | eifzone: to achieve what? |
| 18:55.07 | valdyn | !wayttd eifzone |
| 18:55.07 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, eifzone? |
| 18:55.21 | eifzone | becouse it just boot the CD and its a LIVEcd? |
| 18:55.32 | rapt501 | question, whenever i try to download and install something using synanptic or apt-get, it always trys to install the javadoc which failed for some reason. how do you stop that from happening |
| 18:55.33 | valdyn | eifzone: which cd? |
| 18:55.39 | eifzone | netinstall |
| 18:55.48 | valdyn | eifzone: that's not a livecd |
| 18:55.55 | eifzone | but i mean netinstall |
| 18:56.17 | valdyn | eifzone: and? your problem is what? |
| 18:56.30 | eifzone | it doesent boot that i can choose to download debian |
| 18:56.37 | eifzone | it just choose, install cd |
| 18:56.41 | eifzone | or something like that |
| 18:56.41 | rapt501 | ee |
| 18:57.12 | valdyn | eifzone: i dont really want to blindly guess what you are doing from your description |
| 18:57.26 | valdyn | eifzone: so be precise, tell what's happening |
| 18:57.34 | valdyn | !ig |
| 18:57.34 | dpkg | install guide is at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and choose the 'ARCH' for your box |
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| 18:58.10 | valdyn | eifzone: or maybe you would prefer a channel for your native language |
| 18:59.05 | eifzone | I have downloaded the debian net install, and when iam booting as: linux26 it doesnt come up, configurate your connection etc etc.. |
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| 18:59.23 | valdyn | eifzone: what's coming then? |
| 18:59.49 | JordiGH | Off topic, I need some hosting for a Spanish-language Octave mailing list. Probably low to medium traffic. Hmm... |
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| 19:00.10 | eifzone | it just says, installation failed becouse its nothing about netinstall there |
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| 19:00.29 | valdyn | eifzone: what exactly does it say? |
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| 19:01.28 | eastwood | in gnome, what's the name of the application where you can configure the kernel bootin parameters |
| 19:02.06 | valdyn | eifzone: bum |
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| 19:07.31 | abrotman | valdyn: misfire ? |
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| 19:07.51 | a1fa | anybody know how to set sunhme to 100 full duplex? |
| 19:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 718] by debhelper |
| 19:08.02 | a1fa | modinfo sunhme does not show a parameter for 100 FULL |
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| 19:08.39 | abrotman | ethtool or mii-tool ? |
| 19:09.39 | a1fa | i'll try ethtool |
| 19:10.24 | jikuty | what program is recommended for video multimedia (i.e, .mpg files) apart from Totem? |
| 19:10.44 | a1fa | abrotman : ethtool worked fine.. i wonder if it is going to come back up as a 100 mbit full |
| 19:10.56 | abrotman | dunno |
| 19:11.05 | a1fa | abrotman : i may have to put this in interface, to be executed upon ifup |
| 19:11.08 | abrotman | jikuty: vlc .. totem has two backends btw |
| 19:11.27 | n3kl_ | Is there an up-to-date way to install nvidia drivers on etch? |
| 19:11.42 | jikuty | vlc? alright ill check it out |
| 19:12.01 | lunitik | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
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| 19:12.01 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
| 19:12.01 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 19:12.02 | dpkg | i guess nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 19:12.04 | n3kl_ | the oneliner does not work for me. It tells me that it could not find nvidia-kernel-source |
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| 19:12.16 | valdyn | !info nvidia-kernel-source etch |
| 19:12.20 | valdyn | n3kl_: its in non-free |
| 19:12.28 | n3kl_ | I have non-free in there |
| 19:12.37 | valdyn | n3kl_: oh nm, its not in etch at all right now.. |
| 19:12.43 | a1fa | abrotman : thanks |
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| 19:12.45 | valdyn | n3kl_: you could try the sid package |
| 19:12.56 | n3kl_ | oh |
| 19:13.10 | lunitik | n3kl_: do what the wiki says :/ |
| 19:13.19 | n3kl_ | lunitik: what wiki? |
| 19:13.25 | valdyn | !why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
| 19:13.25 | dpkg | nvidia-kernel-source is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=nvidia-kernel-source |
| 19:13.25 | lunitik | !nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 19:13.25 | dpkg | See http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers for help with drivers for NVIDIA graphics cards |
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| 19:14.23 | n3kl_ | cool, off to battle with it.... thanks |
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| 19:14.40 | JordiGH | !why is yermom not in testing |
| 19:14.40 | dpkg | yermom is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=yermom |
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| 19:14.49 | JordiGH | Heh. :-) |
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| 19:15.39 | bugs03 | hi, i am having problems with my ssh server / client no matter what port i set server to run on i cannot connect to it i cant ssh to other servers as well. can someone please help!? |
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| 19:16.36 | valdyn | bugs03: run 'netstat -plunt | grep ssh' on that server |
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| 19:17.38 | bugs03 | valdyn: i get "tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:22 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN 3367/sshd" |
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| 19:18.14 | bugs03 | valdyn: i can ssh to localhost fine but when i try to ssh to a remote server no go or from that remote server to my server no go as well |
| 19:18.34 | valdyn | bugs03: 'no go" is pretty vague |
| 19:18.46 | sharkiezz | hey anyone know where i can go for webdesign or hosting chat? |
| 19:18.52 | bugs03 | valdyn: i do a sniffer for any traffic to port 22 and nothing only an SYN packet |
| 19:18.53 | valdyn | bugs03: telnet <server> 22 |
| 19:18.58 | sharkiezz | i can't seem to find a channel in freenode with that |
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| 19:19.02 | bugs03 | valdyn: times out |
| 19:19.04 | valdyn | bugs03: do above from a client, not the same host.. |
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| 19:19.16 | valdyn | bugs03: so there's a firewall? |
| 19:19.33 | dhuv | hello all, I was wondering what the timeframe would be to see Gnome 2.16 in testing? few weeks or months? |
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| 19:19.42 | valdyn | bugs03: you can ping that server? |
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| 19:20.05 | bugs03 | valdyn: i have tried with firewall compleatly off and same problem including chaning ports to know ports that work like 23 telnet which is my only way of getting to the box currently |
| 19:20.30 | bugs03 | valdyn: all other ports seem to work just whatever port i put ssh on does not |
| 19:20.33 | valdyn | bugs03: what kind of device is that firewall? |
| 19:20.54 | bugs03 | valdyn: its a multipurpose server including a firweall yes |
| 19:21.22 | bugs03 | valdyn: firewall is not it i disable all iptables rules and i dont see anything in logs as being dropped |
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| 19:21.47 | valdyn | bugs03: try a different client |
| 19:22.26 | bugs03 | valdyn: i tried from muliple clients that putty / other debian boxes etc.. |
| 19:22.44 | valdyn | bugs03: this certainly is a firewall issue if not even telnet <server> 22 works |
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| 19:24.05 | valdyn | bugs03: also try tcpraceroute |
| 19:24.11 | valdyn | bugs03: also try tcptraceroute |
| 19:25.53 | bugs03 | valdyn: other services on same ports work, like for example i have a working apache on port 80 i take that off and set ssh to run on port 80 and same problem |
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| 19:28.26 | valdyn | bugs03: ping works? |
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| 19:31.18 | bugs03 | valdyn: ok i think it has something to do with the MTU |
| 19:32.52 | bugs03 | valdyn: its a PPPoE DSL connection what should i set the MTU to just disabled the MSS_CLAMP setting in shorewall and it ssh works on 3389 port but not on 22 again could be a problem with their pppoe router |
| 19:33.50 | kenro | cydork: Still there? |
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| 19:34.00 | cydork | kenro, yep |
| 19:34.43 | kenro | cydork: I just found out my wireless card lists no ap coz I'm not in range of a network. |
| 19:34.56 | kenro | cydork: I feel stupid, now. |
| 19:34.57 | Thaiger | eeyore-: Thanks! |
| 19:35.06 | cydork | !pal kenro |
| 19:35.20 | kenro | !pal dpkg |
| 19:35.27 | kenro | : :)\ |
| 19:35.32 | cydork | kenro, it happens :) |
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| 19:36.36 | kenro | cydork: Now if I can just get gnutella through a firewall I'll be happy.. |
| 19:37.07 | cydork | kenro, :) |
| 19:37.24 | kenro | !gnutella |
| 19:37.25 | dpkg | i guess gnutella is http://gnutella.wego.com Justin of Winamp created it, AOL tried to kill it, but it lives on!, or see http://www.limewire.com/ for a nice java client, or a network for sharing music and porn and stuff, or gnutella2 is here, see http://www.gnutella2.com, or ask me about gtk-gnutella |
| 19:38.05 | kenro | erm... I forgot about gnutella2... |
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| 19:38.20 | cydork | kenro, so you want it for p0rn? :P |
| 19:39.11 | valdyn | bugs03: uh, disabling mss clamp might break different things...1492 should be mtu |
| 19:39.32 | kenro | cydork: Bite your tongue, young'n. I'm not that type of gir... I mean guy. I would pirate fan fic, is all. |
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| 19:40.25 | maryse | hi |
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| 19:40.40 | maryse | i cannot find the package libgl1-mesa-swrender for ppc. Anyone has seen it ? |
| 19:41.00 | valdyn | bugs03: recent 2.6 kernels have issues with some broken routers |
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| 19:43.00 | kenro | cydork: I have something scanning my hdd right now. |
| 19:43.36 | Narada | hi; if i've downloaded subversion 1.4.0 as a .deb package how can i install it; is there another way to install a package from an unstable tree without downloading a deb package |
| 19:43.42 | cydork | kenro, huh? |
| 19:43.47 | fasta | Is there any software that can finger print mp3's and autofill its ID3 tag from a remote database? |
| 19:44.01 | disasm | fasta: abcde |
| 19:44.03 | cydork | Narada, which version oof debian are you using? |
| 19:44.05 | wols | Narada: dpkg -i |
| 19:44.08 | Narada | cydork: etch |
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| 19:44.32 | disasm | fasta: i know, the name isn't very intuitive, but trust me ;-) |
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| 19:44.50 | kenro | cydork: harddrive activity light flashes though I'm doing nothing. Regular as a heartbeat. |
| 19:44.55 | pestilence | how do you install grub onto a hardware raid? i tried grub-install /dev/sda and that tells me it's not a bios device. then i tried running grub, doing root (hd0,0) and setup (hd0), that didn't work. |
| 19:44.56 | wols | disasm: what remote DB has MD5sums for MP3s? |
| 19:45.01 | cydork | Narada, do what wols says or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 19:45.08 | pestilence | when i reboot i get some non-ascii characters on the screen at the bottom. |
| 19:45.19 | disasm | wols: misread that, mp3s ;-) |
| 19:45.26 | Narada | cydork: okay; what will happen to subversion's dependencies if i do dpkg -i |
| 19:45.27 | disasm | I was thinking cds -> mp3s |
| 19:45.31 | valdyn | pestilence: which hardware raid controller is this? |
| 19:45.39 | disasm | fasta: you'll have to do it by hand |
| 19:45.41 | pestilence | valdyn, it's a 3ware raid |
| 19:45.47 | wols | Narada: nothing. if you don't have the dependencies it won't install |
| 19:45.47 | fasta | wols: It doesn't work with hashes |
| 19:45.52 | wols | dpkg does no dep resolution |
| 19:45.53 | Narada | wols: ah k |
| 19:46.08 | pestilence | valdyn, i think 7401 escalade |
| 19:46.11 | Narada | wols: yeah it failed |
| 19:46.13 | cydork | Narada, most prolly it wont get installed if it has depedancies |
| 19:46.16 | fasta | wols: there's proprietary software that works with analyzing audio characteristics independent of format. |
| 19:46.24 | valdyn | pestilence: tried 'grub-install (hd0)' yet? |
| 19:46.32 | fasta | wols: (well, more like the database is, IIRC) |
| 19:46.35 | wols | fasta: i know. doesn't work too well afaik |
| 19:46.38 | disasm | fasta: and what db do they link into? |
| 19:46.56 | wols | disasm: it's research stuff |
| 19:46.59 | pestilence | valdyn, where (hd0) = /dev/sda ? yes, see my original message |
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| 19:47.12 | pestilence | or do you mean something else |
| 19:47.19 | wols | pestilence: what's in /boot/grub/device.map? |
| 19:47.36 | valdyn | pestilence: literally: grub-install "(hd0)" |
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| 19:47.58 | pestilence | wols, /dev/hda. i ran update-grub after i changed the kopt=line |
| 19:48.04 | pestilence | do i need to also change this? |
| 19:48.05 | fasta | disasm: I don't remember, but I know amarok used one such database at one point in time and it did work good. |
| 19:48.05 | kenro | cydork: I get too paranoid when I work with pirate nets. Next thing you know, I'll start believing there's a robot monitoring each individual connection for the Matrix. |
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| 19:48.49 | cydork | !tell kenro about tmi |
| 19:49.00 | pestilence | valdyn, for grub-install "(hd0)", it says /dev/hda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive |
| 19:49.18 | kenro | *uproarious laughter* |
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| 19:50.06 | grendelson | I just can't seem to get the preferences right - I have testing set as defaul in apt.conf and I have pan specifically listed in preferences and the version pinned for stable... but when I update and look at apt-cache policy the testing version is always 990! The PIN priority of 99 for the 14.* version is ignored! |
| 19:50.12 | grendelson | Any ideas on what 'm missing... |
| 19:50.14 | valdyn | pestilence: grub-install --recheck |
| 19:50.18 | grendelson | I can paste files if it helps... |
| 19:50.22 | kenro | Anyway... bbl |
| 19:50.25 | cyzie | anybody has experience in ripping a cd ? |
| 19:50.36 | disasm | cyzie: yeah |
| 19:50.44 | cyzie | woot disasm :) |
| 19:50.46 | valdyn | pestilence: that should try to create a new device.map |
| 19:50.47 | disasm | cyzie: abcde works good |
| 19:50.48 | fasta | disasm: heh |
| 19:50.53 | cyzie | wooot |
| 19:50.56 | cyzie | u r fast disasm |
| 19:51.01 | fasta | !u |
| 19:51.02 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:51.08 | fasta | !r |
| 19:51.08 | dpkg | somebody said r was a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
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| 19:51.20 | cyzie | LOL fasta |
| 19:51.21 | fasta | I should automate that |
| 19:51.32 | valdyn | pestilence: your issue has nothing to do with your system being raid either way |
| 19:51.34 | cyzie | thanks disasm |
| 19:51.39 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:51.48 | x_link | Can somebody please explain for me what "suite" means ? |
| 19:51.48 | pestilence | valdyn, ok. |
| 19:51.53 | x_link | My english is not that very good. |
| 19:52.10 | disasm | fasta: it could get really annoying ;-) and what if someones referring to r the package, you'll need grammar checking ;-) |
| 19:52.10 | valdyn | !dict suite |
| 19:52.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'suite' (3 of 7): 2. A connected series or succession of objects; a number of things used or clessed together; a set; as, a suite of rooms; a suite of minerals. See Suit, n., 6. ;; apartment consisting of a series of connected rooms used as a living unit (as in a hotel) ;; a musical composition of several movements only loosely connected. |
| 19:52.22 | fasta | x_link: apt-get install dict;dict suite |
| 19:52.39 | x_link | Okey. Thanks alot fasta ! |
| 19:52.44 | x_link | I really appreciate it! |
| 19:53.09 | skh | say can somebody point me at a howto for php5 and mysql4.1? much appreciated |
| 19:53.29 | fasta | disasm: it doesn't need to be complete, as long as it's correct. |
| 19:53.32 | valdyn | !php5 |
| 19:53.32 | dpkg | it has been said that php5 is in Etch but not in Sarge. For unofficial php5 packages for Sarge, ask me about <bpo> |
| 19:53.43 | valdyn | !bpo |
| 19:53.43 | dpkg | well, backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions ask me about <backports> |
| 19:54.04 | skh | thanks |
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| 19:55.10 | cyzie | [ERROR] abcde: oggenc is not in your path // disasm what's that? i got this eerror after i try to launch abcde |
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| 19:55.25 | grendelson | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4043 <- preferences not working as I expect it o? |
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| 19:55.37 | valdyn | cyzie: abcde is obviously set to use oggenc to encode and you do not have that installed |
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| 19:55.48 | cyzie | valdyn, thanks |
| 19:56.18 | cyzie | vorbis-tools // just installed this and it seem the error no longer there, valdyn disasm |
| 19:56.46 | fasta | cyzie: report a bug on it if you don't want to have the problem next time. |
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| 19:57.09 | cyzie | fasta, how ? |
| 19:57.17 | fasta | cyzie: reportbug RET |
| 19:57.19 | valdyn | cyzie: its probably not a bug |
| 19:57.37 | fasta | valdyn: could be PEBKAC, indeed |
| 19:57.45 | cyzie | valdyn, yea but it should have auto install vorbis-tools when i install abcde |
| 19:58.10 | fasta | cyzie: It does when I do it |
| 19:58.12 | disasm | cyzie: it's written to be able to use ogg or mp3 (-o mp3) so I think when you installed it, it has vorvis-tools, lame, id3tool, etc listed as suggested or recommended |
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| 19:58.34 | valdyn | cyzie: no, it shouldnt depend on vorbis-tools, it should suggest or recommend vorbis-tools |
| 19:58.42 | cyzie | disasm, oh i see. thanks |
| 19:58.43 | valdyn | cyzie: you can file a bug for that indeed, as it looks |
| 19:59.01 | kijjaz | i'm on debian etch. installed audacity & lame (From debian marillat).. where do i find libmp3lame.so for use with 'Export to mp3' in Audacity? |
| 19:59.05 | cyzie | valdyn, thanks for the tips but how do i actually file a bug ? |
| 19:59.17 | fasta | cyzie: execute the program called "reportbug" |
| 19:59.21 | valdyn | cyzie: run 'reportbug' |
| 19:59.34 | disasm | cyzie: yeah, it has a debend on vorbis-tools (>= 1.0beta4-1) | lame | flac | bladeenc | speex so if any one of those is installed, it won't install another one |
| 19:59.35 | cyzie | alright |
| 19:59.51 | valdyn | cyzie: if in doubt about its configuration, using the 'build in' MTA is probably a good idea |
| 20:00.07 | cyzie | okie guys. it has been very helpfull |
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| 20:01.34 | hjubal | ldconfig complains "Cannot stat /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libglx.so: No such file or directory" but the file (symbolic link) exists |
| 20:01.45 | hjubal | why? |
| 20:01.50 | peaceyall | hey, my cdrom drive is being detected i guess, but im getting an error in dmesg. I think it's this one: hdd: @T@PH BD,RV 42XM`x, ATAPI UNKNOWN (type 4) drive. And neitehr can I see /dev/hdd |
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| 20:02.30 | Vyrus001 | install question... im trying to install deb on a box that has no ps2 usb or dc25 ports, im thinkin install over ssh? problem is i dono how to tell my iso to do that |
| 20:02.33 | vostorga | hey what software do you recomend to implement an irc bot????? |
| 20:02.39 | valdyn | kijjaz: liblame0: usr/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 |
| 20:03.16 | Alam_Debian | how do I do chmod on a symlink, but not on the linked file |
| 20:03.19 | valdyn | Vyrus001: did you read the install guide? |
| 20:03.42 | abrotman | Alam_Debian: you don't |
| 20:03.42 | valdyn | Alam_Debian: you cant do that |
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| 20:03.51 | Alam_Debian | pooo |
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| 20:04.00 | Vyrus001 | valdyn, nope... yea i know rtfm but ive installed deb plenty of times... just need to know that bit :D |
| 20:04.07 | Hoxzer | Fucking Swedish makes me MAD |
| 20:04.08 | disasm | Vyrus001: maybe make/find a boot cd that has ssh installed by default with a default root password and do an install a la debootstrap |
| 20:04.39 | asg | Hoxzer: I'm sure they don't find you to be a sexual dynamo either |
| 20:04.52 | valdyn | Vyrus001: it probably explains how to install over a serial console |
| 20:05.22 | valdyn | Vyrus001: for ssh, only way is something like deboostrap i guess |
| 20:05.26 | valdyn | Vyrus001: for ssh, only way is something like debootstrap i guess |
| 20:05.49 | Hoxzer | asg: yeah, but in my coyntry you have to study it and AARGH guess can I learn language without hearing it |
| 20:06.05 | Hoxzer | and then again it sounds gay (sry swedish people) |
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| 20:06.39 | dsacode | Hello! In which package are "ifconfig" and "route" utilites? |
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| 20:06.40 | Hoxzer | Luckily I have just 2 courses left |
| 20:06.51 | Kim^J | dsacode, bash ? :S |
| 20:06.53 | valdyn | !tell dsacode -about search |
| 20:06.53 | jhonn | I have some problems with daemonshield in debian |
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| 20:07.59 | x_link | apt-get install dict;dict suite |
| 20:08.11 | x_link | I just did that, but where will I find the dictionary ? |
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| 20:13.19 | meuserj | any idea how to do the equivalent of "ipconfig eth0 0.0.0.0" in /etc/network/interfaces? When I configure it statically with 0.0.0.0 as the address it complains. |
| 20:14.02 | cyzie | k guys, report submiited. but is there any GUI for the reportbug ? |
| 20:15.11 | loxley_ | meuserj: up ifconfig eth1 0.0.0.0 up |
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| 20:15.34 | keyboarder | what packages do i need, to get floppy, cdrom, pendrive ... auto mounted and umounted |
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| 20:16.21 | meuserj | loxley_, how do you mean? you can put your ifconfig commands in directly? |
| 20:16.31 | qwertz_ | Hi, how can I redirect all accesses from http to https on a default sarge installation? |
| 20:16.56 | loxley_ | meuserj: "ip"config ? its spelled ifconfig for the first part |
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| 20:17.26 | zinx | meuserj: uhm, why do you want an IP of 0.0.0.0? |
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| 20:17.58 | loxley_ | zinx: maybe for an promiscous bridge |
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| 20:18.33 | zinx | loxley_: why would you need such an IP for that? |
| 20:18.43 | loxley_ | zinx: virtualisation, for example |
| 20:18.51 | zinx | loxley_: ... |
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| 20:19.06 | meuserj | zinx, for bridging two networks... I want the interfaces up without an IP assigned.. "ifconfig eth0 0.0.0.0" works, just don't know how to configure it in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 20:19.07 | zinx | loxley_: you're not going to impress me by pretending to know what you're talking about :/ |
| 20:19.18 | loxley_ | zinx: i am.. |
| 20:19.21 | zinx | meuserj: you can't do that. |
| 20:19.26 | pestilence | valdyn, thanks...i got it fixed |
| 20:19.27 | cydork | !tell meuserj about interfaces |
| 20:19.28 | zinx | meuserj: at least not in any sane manner |
| 20:19.44 | loxley_ | zinx: dude, using vmware that IS the way to do it |
| 20:19.44 | pestilence | valdyn, you were right, had nothing to do with the raid, and updating the device map helped. |
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| 20:20.29 | loxley_ | zinx: ofcourse with ip link set eth0 promisc on ..etc. |
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| 20:21.25 | meuserj | zinx, so the only way to do it is to run ifconfig directly in startup scripts? I find it weird that you can do almost anything in /etc/network/interfaces, except define an interface without an IP.... |
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| 20:22.18 | cydork | meuserj, man interfaces and read it |
| 20:22.35 | vithos | is there a way to use interface aliases done with get-mac-address.sh with the "bridge_ports" line in the interfaces file? |
| 20:23.33 | h3sp4wn | meuserj: Just use pre-up ifconfig whatever |
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| 20:24.22 | vithos | i'm getting errors like "error, interface lan0 does not exist" when i ifup -a |
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| 20:24.33 | meuserj | h3sp4wn, oh... I see.. thanks. |
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| 20:26.47 | junmin | hi, somebody can recommend me some good tutorial to setup a debian web hosting server??please |
| 20:26.49 | vithos | my interfaces file is: http://bean.catheadlabs.com/~vithos/interfaces |
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| 20:31.13 | Presently42 | apt-get question:Why can't I purge the removed package linux-image-2.6.17-2-686? |
| 20:31.46 | PumpkinPie | does it tell you |
| 20:31.58 | Eulex | because apt-get can not purge removed packages |
| 20:32.03 | Eulex | use dpkg to purge it instead |
| 20:32.20 | Eulex | !purge |
| 20:32.20 | dpkg | somebody said purge was to complete wipe away a package, including its config files. Use apt-get remove --purge [package]..or if you already removed package with apt-get remove, and forgot config files you can use 'dpkg -P <package>' to remove configs. To purge all config files of all removed packages: aptitude purge $(aptitude search '~c') |
| 20:32.52 | disasm | Eulex: yeah it can, apt-get --purge remove package |
| 20:32.58 | Presently42 | error exit status 128 |
| 20:33.05 | Presently42 | Is what I get. |
| 20:33.10 | disasm | Eulex: oh, nm |
| 20:34.00 | cydork | disasm, best way is to use aptitude |
| 20:34.06 | Presently42 | using the dpkg -P, that is. |
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| 20:35.19 | dsacode | How I can mount SATA drives? How are they called in /dev/? |
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| 20:37.24 | Presently42 | Any clues? Google didn't really help. |
| 20:37.34 | pickcoder | dsacode: depends on the chipset and the driver. You should be able to look at dmesg and see the drives being labeled as detected. |
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| 20:40.40 | jhonn | anybody knows some appz like daemonshield for debian sarge??? |
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| 20:40.55 | jhonn | daemonshield is incompatible with my version |
| 20:41.04 | cydork | Presently42, use aptitude |
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| 20:41.36 | lopa | aloha folks. me gots a question.... anyone have it happen to them, that they cant login to their box. you enter the username, and then it timesout (or something) before you get to enter the pass?? |
| 20:41.56 | Presently42 | cydork: If dpkg can't do it, why would aptitude, a frontend, be able to? |
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| 20:43.12 | cydork | Presently42, well try it. and paste the errors in a paster. |
| 20:43.38 | jenna | i need to convert an HTML file into a format suitable for inserting into a database |
| 20:43.40 | jenna | any ideas? |
| 20:44.12 | jenna | actually, i only need one part of it converted |
| 20:44.18 | JoshH | sounds vague |
| 20:44.26 | disasm | jenna: lynx -dump? |
| 20:44.29 | jenna | i have a big html file full of names and addresses |
| 20:44.35 | jenna | it's cluttered |
| 20:44.38 | Presently42 | cydork: It also wants to remove other packages (related to kde) for some reason. It usually does. This is why I never use aptitude. How can I tell it to do only what I asked? |
| 20:44.42 | jenna | i need it in a format suitable to just insert into mysql |
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| 20:45.06 | disasm | jenna: in a table? |
| 20:45.12 | jenna | yeah |
| 20:45.40 | cydork | Presently42, it removes packages which are not needed anymore |
| 20:46.13 | Presently42 | cydork: I assure you, I still need kate, kdelibs and kdebase. |
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| 20:46.24 | Presently42 | Among 18 others. |
| 20:46.36 | lopa | any ideas? |
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| 20:46.54 | cydork | Presently42, hhah then paste output of dpkg -P |
| 20:47.05 | cydork | !paster |
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| 20:47.06 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 20:47.12 | disasm | jenna: what your doing is off topic for channel, but I msg'd you if you want to give me the details |
| 20:47.19 | Presently42 | cydork: Right-o. |
| 20:48.22 | Presently42 | cydork: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4045 |
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| 20:48.58 | Presently42 | Didn't know debian had its own pastebin. |
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| 20:49.23 | cydork | Presently42, do uname -r |
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| 20:50.00 | Presently42 | cydork: I'm not using it. |
| 20:50.18 | Presently42 | I'm using the .18 kernel from Sid. |
| 20:50.23 | cydork | Presently42, oh ok |
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| 20:51.08 | Vilmar | hi, how's it possible that I can access my www files even if I -k stopped the apache2 server? |
| 20:51.09 | cydork | Presently42, which files are left behind? |
| 20:51.15 | cydork | !force-all |
| 20:51.16 | dpkg | force-all means you're working against the packaging system, not with it. Sometimes packages are broken and it's necessary, but almost always it means you're doing something wrong, and are setting yourself up for bigger problems down the line. YOU NEVER NEED TO USE --force-all. EVER. You might think you do, but YOU DO NOT. Don't use it. |
| 20:51.22 | cydork | Presently42, ^^ |
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| 20:51.45 | Presently42 | cydork: I only used force all when the regular didn't work. |
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| 20:52.18 | Presently42 | Hehe. I like the warning. |
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| 20:52.49 | wols | Vilmar: caching? |
| 20:53.05 | Cooner750 | is there anything that I can install that will sound a beep or similar through the onboard speaker once Debian is fully loaded? |
| 20:53.10 | cydork | Presently42, it use to say dont fucking use it! |
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| 20:53.17 | cydork | s/use/used/ |
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| 20:53.40 | Vilmar | wols: lol, stupid me |
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| 20:53.50 | Presently42 | cydork: Alright, I'll not use it. |
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| 20:54.14 | Q3Man | anyone know a method to have a read-only root filesystem and write changes to ram (i.e. like live cd's do?) |
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| 20:55.35 | Presently42 | cydork: As to what is installed, I'm not sure. |
| 20:56.24 | cydork | Presently42, there is nothing :) |
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| 20:56.59 | Vilmar | then I have one more question, why I have an option to download .php scripts off my server? I guess you tell me I misconfigured apache2, but my httpd.conf seems to be ok (however it's totally ignored by the server) |
| 20:57.04 | Presently42 | cydork: Well, that's the problem.... |
| 20:57.24 | Presently42 | Alas! |
| 20:57.42 | pickcoder | Vilmar: what about apache2.conf |
| 20:58.57 | bugs03 | hi, what is the best way to syncronize two mail server's users Maildir's ? for use in dns MX records ad primary and secondary? |
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| 20:59.41 | Vilmar | pickcoder: hm, I think it's from the previous installation of apache2 |
| 20:59.56 | pickcoder | Vilmar: AddType application..etc etc |
| 21:00.37 | Vilmar | pickcoder: it is there, but you gave me a clue that somehow the server uses apache2.conf instead of httpd.conf |
| 21:00.48 | pickcoder | apache2 has both |
| 21:00.57 | pickcoder | as well as site-specific directives |
| 21:01.16 | pickcoder | then theres mods-available and mods-enabled |
| 21:01.23 | Vilmar | why they are in different directories then? |
| 21:01.42 | pickcoder | maybe both are installed? |
| 21:01.47 | pickcoder | apache2 and apache 1.3 |
| 21:01.54 | pickcoder | ls -l /etc/init.d/apache* |
| 21:02.23 | Vilmar | nope, one row |
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| 21:03.11 | pickcoder | dpkg -l libapache2-mod-php* |
| 21:03.11 | dpkg | ii libapache2-mod-php* 2.2-15 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 21:03.46 | pickcoder | ugh |
| 21:03.56 | Vilmar | no packages, but I have installed both apache2 and php from sources |
| 21:04.05 | pickcoder | Vilmar: well there's part of your problem |
| 21:04.15 | pickcoder | Vilmar: you may have to configure it all manually |
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| 21:04.53 | Vilmar | I believe I did dpkg -P apache2 before compiling from the source, maybe not? |
| 21:04.55 | Malawar__ | why does the hotplug package want to remove my kernel images and udev? |
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| 21:06.00 | Vilmar | pickcoder: so now - where do I change the apache's .conf file path? |
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| 21:07.44 | pickcoder | Vilmar: I don't know. I have never compiled apache2 from a source tree |
| 21:07.49 | pickcoder | Vilmar: ask #apache |
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| 21:08.18 | vithos | anyone want to help me get my /etc/network/interfaces working? |
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| 21:08.26 | Vilmar | pickcoder: thanks, I will |
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| 21:16.53 | jhonn | . |
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| 21:22.20 | siehgeil | hi |
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| 21:22.28 | Crissi | hello |
| 21:22.31 | siehgeil | how are you? |
| 21:22.31 | dpkg | siehgeil: pretty good. how about you? |
| 21:22.39 | siehgeil | im fine |
| 21:22.44 | Crissi | i need help |
| 21:22.51 | siehgeil | so? |
| 21:23.06 | abrotman | !ask |
| 21:23.06 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:23.07 | Crissi | since some days my debian freezes on copy or play music dfrom usb disk |
| 21:23.12 | Crissi | its a unstable |
| 21:23.31 | Crissi | i hat tried a lot to find the reaosn but its not the hardware |
| 21:24.28 | Crissi | i test a ubuntu live dvd and it runs fine, also i install the ubuntu etchy on the 3Gb swap and it runs fine with nvidia driver and ipw3945 driver |
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| 21:24.54 | pickcoder | Crissi: maybe it's because it's "unstable"? |
| 21:25.02 | Crissi | the debian has ran fine and until some days it has stopped to running fine |
| 21:25.06 | Crissi | pickcoder: no |
| 21:25.14 | Crissi | it freezes hard |
| 21:25.21 | Crissi | nobody has an idea |
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| 21:25.26 | azeem | Crissi: which version of Debian are you running? |
| 21:25.29 | catlee | Good afternoon |
| 21:25.30 | Crissi | unstable |
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| 21:25.37 | Crissi | with xorg |
| 21:25.42 | azeem | Crissi: which driver? |
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| 21:25.49 | Crissi | and nvidia driver |
| 21:25.53 | catlee | Quick question, can I use NFS to export a filesystem mounted with smbfs? |
| 21:25.55 | rbellamy | Anybody know anything about Veritas not supporting Debian in v6 of NetBackup? (currently it IS supported, but support will be discontinued) |
| 21:25.57 | azeem | the binary driver? |
| 21:26.04 | Crissi | i had tried with nv and it freezes too |
| 21:26.19 | azeem | does it freeze randomly? |
| 21:26.21 | Crissi | i had tried without ipw3945.. freezes too |
| 21:26.45 | jhonn | what daemon I can use to block sshd brute force attacks? |
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| 21:27.05 | Crissi | i had think it does it randomly but it freezes in one case exacly if i copy files from my usb disk (xfs formatted) |
| 21:27.05 | jhonn | daemonshield is incompatible in my debian sarge |
| 21:27.10 | cydork | !info denyhosts |
| 21:27.15 | Crissi | no log entries |
| 21:27.15 | dpkg | denyhosts: (an utility to help sys admins thwart ssh hackers), section net, is optional. Version: 2.5-3 (sid), Packaged size: 61 kB, Installed size: 329 kB |
| 21:27.27 | cydork | jhonn, ^^ |
| 21:27.35 | azeem | Crissi: try to reproduce this when not running X |
| 21:27.39 | Crissi | hardware is ok (mem test, stress test, dell systemtest (from cd)) |
| 21:27.50 | Crissi | it works without x |
| 21:27.54 | Crissi | only on x |
| 21:28.20 | Crissi | mpg123 plays fine in console ()real console) |
| 21:28.25 | jhonn | cydork: :P |
| 21:28.34 | Crissi | on x in xterm it freezes too |
| 21:28.53 | cydork | jhonn, take a look at fail2ban too. but i like denyhosts. |
| 21:28.54 | Crissi | i really wont change my system |
| 21:29.08 | liable | jhonn: try fail2ban or the iptables recent module |
| 21:29.09 | Crissi | i like debian |
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| 21:29.32 | pickcoder | Crissi: running unstable for general use is not a good idea |
| 21:29.55 | mike-digiport- | i need helppp im tryin to bring a box online |
| 21:30.06 | mike-digiport- | i tried the same static confuig on a laptop and it worked |
| 21:30.31 | bugs03 | hi, i am having problems with the legacy megaraid driver detecting my megaraid i4 ATA raid controller can someone help? Started happening with kernel versions > 2.6.16 |
| 21:31.09 | Crissi | pickcoder: testing would be ok too |
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| 21:31.25 | Crissi | some apps are too old in sarge |
| 21:31.49 | pickcoder | Crissi: backports may have what you want |
| 21:31.55 | Crissi | maybe |
| 21:32.03 | Crissi | kernel and so on. i know |
| 21:32.19 | Crissi | now, back to my problem... |
| 21:32.47 | Crissi | how to find the reason for the freezes and elemenate it? |
| 21:32.47 | Crissi | i |
| 21:32.47 | mike-digiport- | what could this be |
| 21:32.50 | eliran | ok |
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| 21:32.57 | mike-digiport- | i tried all the route add, and ifconfig eth0 ip netmask netmaskip up |
| 21:33.18 | Crissi | i have good linux knowledge and can do something |
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| 21:34.01 | h3sp4wn | Crissi: Set your machine up to log kernel messages via the serial port capture a crash dump with no non free drivers in the kernel |
| 21:34.15 | h3sp4wn | Crissi: (on another machine obviously) |
| 21:34.16 | Crissi | now way. latop without serial ports |
| 21:34.27 | Crissi | and usb must be have a driver for |
| 21:34.40 | Crissi | im not sure if it can log if kernel looks up |
| 21:34.48 | Crissi | locks |
| 21:35.04 | h3sp4wn | You definately can to a normal serial port |
| 21:35.07 | Crissi | i can try it |
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| 21:35.14 | h3sp4wn | not sure about via a usb serial |
| 21:35.33 | Crissi | usbserial work in normal case |
| 21:36.05 | Crissi | i can compile support for that in |
| 21:36.15 | Crissi | and set serial console to ttyUSB0 |
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| 21:36.45 | Crissi | but not sure if i get all msg releated by trhe freeze |
| 21:36.48 | Crissi | the |
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| 21:37.33 | siehgeil | eat my vagina |
| 21:37.35 | siehgeil | :) |
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| 21:42.41 | cureless | Crissi: when did your computer start to freeze? |
| 21:44.58 | Crissi | i think beginning last week |
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| 21:45.41 | Crissi | the interesting thing is that i can work normal if i dont use the external disk |
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| 21:46.25 | Crissi | if i remember right it had got a x update last week |
| 21:47.02 | cureless | Crissi: so it's your external disk that makes it crash? |
| 21:47.21 | Crissi | no |
| 21:47.31 | Crissi | this disk works fine under ubuntu |
| 21:47.41 | Crissi | and has worked fined befor ther crashes |
| 21:47.42 | cureless | so it only crashes in debian? What kernel are you using? |
| 21:48.18 | Crissi | custom 2.6.18 |
| 21:48.33 | cureless | Crissi: how about you try it with debian's kernel and then see if it crashes. |
| 21:48.40 | Crissi | i had tries various kernels too incluive debian ones... crashes too |
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| 21:49.25 | Crissi | note: my kernel has not changed and has run fine before the crashes come |
| 21:49.25 | cureless | Crissi: if it was working before, then there had to be a kernel where it wasn't crashing. |
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| 21:50.01 | Crissi | and the debian ones crash too... |
| 21:50.08 | cureless | Crissi: do you have a log of what you've changed? |
| 21:50.18 | cureless | Crissi: yes, but the debian one we at least know what it is. |
| 21:50.40 | cureless | Crissi: also, you should stick to the included video drivers when debugging. |
| 21:50.44 | cureless | no binary drivers. |
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| 21:52.12 | Crissi | cureless: it had tried nvidia (same driver as before) and nv |
| 21:52.16 | Crissi | both same :( |
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| 21:53.57 | cureless | Crissi: what other things have you installed? |
| 21:54.06 | Crissi | ipw3945 |
| 21:54.21 | cureless | Crissi: does it crash without it? |
| 21:54.25 | Crissi | binary driver but i got crashes without it too |
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| 21:54.40 | Crissi | its very strange |
| 21:54.48 | cureless | Crissi: well, try to run just the normal system and see if it crashes. |
| 21:54.59 | cureless | Crissi: no binary modules and debian kernel. |
| 21:55.35 | Crissi | which kernl i shoudl try? |
| 21:55.38 | cureless | Crissi: I read that you checked the memory. How did you do that? You should run memtest for a while and see if everything is ok. Sometimes different setups react differently to memory. |
| 21:55.39 | Crissi | 2.6.28-1 ? |
| 21:55.43 | Crissi | 2.6.18-1 ? |
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| 21:55.58 | cureless | 2.6.8-3 |
| 21:56.03 | cureless | stable kernel first. |
| 21:56.08 | Crissi | yes. i checked with memtest and with the (very big) dell system tool |
| 21:56.08 | cureless | then you can move to unstable. |
| 21:56.12 | Crissi | from cd |
| 21:56.17 | Crissi | ok |
| 21:56.22 | azeem | Crissi: how long did you run memtest? |
| 21:56.24 | grendal_prime | can someone explain to me exactly what are shadow passwords? |
| 21:56.30 | Crissi | 2.6.8 with nv driver and no ipw |
| 21:56.40 | Crissi | 2 cycle |
| 21:56.52 | cureless | grendal_prime: shadow passwords are just passwords stored in a different file, the shadow file. |
| 21:56.54 | azeem | grendal_prime: shadow(5) e.g. |
| 21:57.43 | cureless | grendal_prime: that way normal users don't get to see the encrypted passwords. normal users still need access to the /etc/passwd file for other information, so they just moved the passwords to a "shadow" file, readable only by root. |
| 21:57.45 | grendal_prime | is this what the system uses to check passwords as the are submited for authentication..(and im assuming its encrypted |
| 21:58.41 | cureless | grendal_prime: well, authentication is a complex process, there are multiple parts and libraries involved, but yes, under "normal" conditions the shadow password file will be checked for the encrypted password. |
| 21:58.58 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 21:59.00 | grendal_prime | makes sense |
| 21:59.21 | azeem | grendal_prime: traditionally, passwords were stored encrypted in /etc/passwd. However, that file has to be world-readable and thus can be cracked offline. /etc/shadow is only readable by root or rather the suid passwd program |
| 22:01.07 | jhonn | what is the utility for manage daemons that are executed when system start? |
| 22:01.15 | phogg | update-rc.d |
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| 22:03.55 | Crissi | cureless: hm.. no 2.6.8 here |
| 22:04.17 | Crissi | 2.6.18+3 |
| 22:04.33 | azeem | I think the hint was to run stable, not unstable |
| 22:05.07 | Crissi | its a unstable system |
| 22:05.17 | Crissi | i cant switch back because apt cant do that |
| 22:05.29 | azeem | sure |
| 22:05.37 | Crissi | distupgrade works only forward?! |
| 22:05.39 | Crissi | how? |
| 22:06.04 | azeem | eh, I meant, yes, you cannot downgrade |
| 22:06.09 | azeem | maybe he advised to reinstall |
| 22:06.10 | Vitux | how hard is it to switch to xgl.. and is it worth it? |
| 22:06.19 | azeem | Vitux: xgl isn't in Debian I think |
| 22:06.30 | stew | Vitux: there are no plans to support xgl in debian, especially now that it is getting support for aiglx |
| 22:06.34 | Vitux | not in the apt.. |
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| 22:07.12 | Crissi | azeem: for testing its a too big step |
| 22:07.28 | Crissi | so reinstall the whoole system |
| 22:07.31 | Vitux | hmm |
| 22:07.46 | Crissi | but i can install it on the swap where i hav tested ubuntu |
| 22:07.54 | Crissi | but... |
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| 22:08.10 | Crissi | if it works fine... what do then?! |
| 22:08.25 | azeem | Crissi: 2.6.16 is in unstable |
| 22:08.27 | azeem | you can try that |
| 22:08.53 | stew | azeem: not anymore i don't think |
| 22:09.22 | stew | azeem: nm, i'm wrong |
| 22:10.15 | stew | 2.6.17 isn't, i think i figured that .16 was removed when or before 17 was |
| 22:10.54 | azeem | stew: they uploaded a second source package to continue 2.6.16 until d-i switches to something later I think |
| 22:11.45 | stew | makes sense |
| 22:12.08 | stew | that reminds me, i have to figure out what is up with 2.6.18 and iptables 1.3.5 |
| 22:12.19 | stew | and see if that is going to cause a degradation |
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| 22:18.36 | sanmarcos | anybody up for a math question? |
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| 22:22.45 | Maulkin | No |
| 22:23.14 | stew | sanmarcos: there is #math |
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| 22:23.38 | stew | its even got a fancy mathematica bot |
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| 22:26.28 | blondie | I hate matrices |
| 22:26.47 | Shadowcat | you're not getting out until you solve this! |
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| 22:28.36 | Shadowcat | honestly though, that'd be pure torture |
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| 22:31.07 | jhonn | what is the utility for manage daemons that are executed when system start? but with a wizzard?? |
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| 22:32.09 | pickcoder | jhonn: sysv-rc-conf will let you choose run-levels for existing init.d scripts |
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| 22:32.32 | pickcoder | jhonn: update-rc.d is really simple to use by itself |
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| 22:33.08 | Weinerschnitzel | Balls |
| 22:33.31 | siehgeil | hallo Weinerschnitzel |
| 22:33.36 | Weinerschnitzel | Hey. |
| 22:33.38 | siehgeil | its called "wienerschnitzel" |
| 22:33.44 | siehgeil | not weiner |
| 22:33.51 | Weinerschnitzel | No, it's spelt, not called, you idiot. |
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| 22:33.59 | Weinerschnitzel | Also, it's intentional. |
| 22:34.00 | siehgeil | !ops Weinerschnitzel |
| 22:34.00 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: siehgeil complains about: Weinerschnitzel |
| 22:34.07 | Weinerschnitzel | Because it's a reference, you fool. |
| 22:34.15 | siehgeil | bye |
| 22:34.16 | siehgeil | :)) |
| 22:34.21 | Weinerschnitzel | Loser. |
| 22:34.24 | GenKreton | hey guys, I recently installed debian with lvm and raid (my first time), and now when it boots it gets right passed nmbd and the screen goes black, I cant even reboot it with ctrl+alt+del, any ideas on what I can do? Are there live cds that automatically know to mount lvm and raid? |
| 22:34.27 | Guerin | siehgeil: i wouldn't be disrespektin' peoples' nicks with yours,. buddy |
| 22:34.32 | Weinerschnitzel | Yeah. |
| 22:34.35 | Weinerschnitzel | Buddy. |
| 22:34.38 | GenKreton | it did work fine for a few weeks |
| 22:34.40 | siehgeil | Guerin, whats bad with my nick? |
| 22:34.43 | jhonn | pickcoder: but exist another utility in debian with menus to manage daemons |
| 22:34.47 | Guerin | siehgeil: it's misspelt |
| 22:34.50 | linuxmigrati|afk | where is the source for pkgs tracked? is there a repo? |
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| 22:34.52 | Weinerschnitzel | Siehgeil sucks. |
| 22:34.53 | jerb | !ops Weinerschnitzel |
| 22:34.54 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: jerb complains about: Weinerschnitzel |
| 22:35.06 | Weinerschnitzel | That's nice. |
| 22:35.06 | siehgeil | sieh geil means "look cool" |
| 22:35.07 | Guerin | siehgeil: if you're going to pretend to be a nazi sympathiser, at least do it properly |
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| 22:35.16 | siehgeil | thats german |
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| 22:35.34 | siehgeil | Guerin, i hate nazis :/ |
| 22:35.51 | mentor | siehgeil: Do you have a valid question about Debian? |
| 22:35.58 | pickcoder | johnn: gnome-system-tools ? |
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| 22:36.21 | siehgeil | mentor, i just awnsered questions, you should asked the guys who asked |
| 22:36.22 | siehgeil | :P |
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| 22:36.47 | mentor | evidently not |
| 22:36.50 | jhonn | pickcoder: I don't remember... but the last time someone give me an very fancy utility to manage daemons at system starts |
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| 22:37.24 | jhonn | pickcoder: with that utility I can choose with an X what daemons I want to execute |
| 22:37.40 | pickcoder | jhonn: sysv-rc-conf is a console program that lets you put X's in the run-levels for the init scripts installed |
| 22:37.44 | linuxmigration | sorry to repeat, but i'm afraid i was lost in that flurry of activity ;( : where is the source for pkgs tracked? is there a repo? |
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| 22:38.02 | jhonn | pickcoder: that is the program THX |
| 22:38.10 | pickcoder | jhonn: otherwise look for kde or gnome system utilies for X,org |
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| 22:39.52 | jhonn | pickoder: can you recommend me an very good book to start to learn debian??? |
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| 22:40.23 | pickcoder | jhonn: that is very subjective |
| 22:40.27 | Guerin | !madduck book |
| 22:40.32 | jmedina | hello |
| 22:40.37 | Guerin | bah, there is one, written by a DD |
| 22:41.02 | jmedina | is there any way to run the program that configures the network in the install? |
| 22:41.07 | pickcoder | like I said.. it's subjective |
| 22:41.14 | Guerin | http://debiansystem.info/ |
| 22:41.14 | pickcoder | :P |
| 22:41.27 | Guerin | jhonn: ^ |
| 22:41.29 | jhonn | pickcoder: damn! |
| 22:41.54 | jhonn | pickcoder: I want a very good start for debian sarge... stable |
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| 22:43.12 | pickcoder | jhonn: if you have a good Linux background, learning Debian isn't that difficult. there's tons of 'net resources |
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| 22:44.15 | pickcoder | jhonn: plus there's #debian |
| 22:44.17 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 22:46.50 | Crissi | hmm.. interesting.. the ubuntu has 7.1.1 and debian unstabkle 7.1.0-3.. maybe the 7.1.0 has bugs? |
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| 22:47.13 | Crissi | when 7.1.1 packages will be uploaded to unstable? |
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| 22:48.09 | h3sp4wn | # |
| 22:48.21 | azeem | Crissi: 7.1.1 of what? |
| 22:48.25 | Crissi | xorg |
| 22:48.28 | h3sp4wn | debian unstable has xorg 7.1.1 |
| 22:48.30 | azeem | xorg is modular now |
| 22:48.39 | azeem | you need to look at the individual packages |
| 22:48.58 | h3sp4wn | (same package maintainers for both) |
| 22:49.51 | Crissi | hm |
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| 22:54.00 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: Daniel Stone is part of the X Strike Force? |
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| 22:54.44 | gravity | No |
| 22:54.52 | lunitik | Then its not the same maintainers |
| 22:55.06 | gravity | And there *is* no 7.1.1 |
| 22:55.07 | Crissi | hm. |
| 22:55.14 | gravity | No, Daniel doesn't maintain xorg for anyone anymore |
| 22:55.29 | gravity | But you're right, Ubuntu doesn't have the same maintainers as Debian |
| 22:55.30 | lunitik | gravity: He's not part of Ubuntu anymore? How come? |
| 22:55.37 | gravity | lunitik: Because he left |
| 22:55.42 | gravity | It's not my place to say |
| 22:56.14 | lunitik | gravity: Ubuntu has 7.1.1ubuntu2 for Xorg... |
| 22:56.24 | lunitik | gravity: there *is* a 7.1.1 |
| 22:56.29 | gravity | lunitik: Prove it |
| 22:56.33 | gravity | lunitik: Point me to it upstream |
| 22:57.34 | lunitik | gravity: ftp://mirror.sg.depaul.edu/pub/x.org/X11R7.1/src/xserver |
| 22:57.51 | lunitik | Uhh... ignore that |
| 22:57.57 | gravity | lunitik: That's 7.1. Not 7.1.1. 7.1 has been in unstable for some time now. |
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| 22:58.05 | gravity | lunitik: I know because I did a good chunk of the work on it. |
| 22:58.15 | gravity | lunitik: I also know that the subsequent release will be 7.2. |
| 22:58.23 | robin__sz | heloo? |
| 22:58.36 | robin__sz | havi I accidentally joined #ubuntu? |
| 22:58.48 | lunitik | robin__sz: no |
| 22:59.04 | robin__sz | thank $deity for that |
| 22:59.21 | lunitik | gravity: conceeded... 7.2 is the release with the new security features, right? |
| 22:59.24 | gravity | And I also know that 7.2 will not ship in Debian etch, although large chunks of code that showed up after 7.1 was released will show up in Etch. |
| 22:59.30 | gravity | lunitik: Yes |
| 22:59.45 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: both packages are listed as being maintained by Debian X Strike Force <debian-x@lists.debian.org> |
| 23:00.02 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: (or were last time I looked at ubuntu) |
| 23:00.11 | gravity | That's because Ubuntu still apparently lacks a proper X maintainer at present. |
| 23:00.22 | gravity | Although they've had people working on it here and there |
| 23:00.39 | gravity | I still need to pull their patches for the etch release |
| 23:00.41 | robin__sz | please dont start listing the things Ubuntu lacks, or we will be here all night |
| 23:00.52 | gravity | I'm not doing it to bash ubuntu |
| 23:00.53 | lunitik | h3sp4wn: Ubuntu lists the maintainer as "Ubuntu Core Maintainers" actually |
| 23:00.56 | gravity | Far from it. |
| 23:01.15 | h3sp4wn | lunitik: Must have changed then since I last looked at it |
| 23:01.23 | jhonn | I want to know your impression... what do you think about upgrade to latest versions of mysql and pphp (because is not an official debian sarge stable versions)... is a good practice??? (install not recognized up to date versions) |
| 23:01.30 | lunitik | gravity: ahh, you're part of X Strike Force? :) |
| 23:01.35 | gravity | lunitik: Yes |
| 23:01.47 | lunitik | gravity: thank you for your hard work then :) |
| 23:01.51 | gravity | My pleasure |
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| 23:02.29 | robin__sz | jhonn, when you say "latest versions" you mean as .deb packages from another release, or compiling from source from mysql site etc? |
| 23:02.29 | lunitik | I think Dondelelcaro is one though? |
| 23:02.30 | gravity | I don't really hang around as much as I used to. Too many bugs to squash. |
| 23:02.53 | lunitik | gravity: ahh... well I recognize you in here... so you hang out enough :) |
| 23:03.03 | gravity | heh |
| 23:03.15 | Crissi | gravity: can you help me to find the bug in xorg on etch which i think causes the freeze? |
| 23:03.32 | gravity | Crissi: Huh? |
| 23:03.35 | lunitik | gravity: I wish Debian devels would drop trying to release... just keep Debian as a moving target... releases cause too many issues, and no one really finds them fun |
| 23:03.37 | pickcoder | heh |
| 23:04.11 | Crissi | if you are one of the x maintainers of debian you can look if something interesting has changed last weel |
| 23:04.13 | Crissi | week |
| 23:04.39 | gravity | Crissi: In etch? You should be aware of what packages you upgraded before the problem started. |
| 23:04.45 | gravity | Crissi: What exactly is the trouble? |
| 23:04.53 | robin__sz | jhonn, if you really must have a later version, consider either using bacports.org as a apt source or, using debian unstable. I would not bother with a raw compile from source unless you really have to |
| 23:05.00 | pickcoder | Crissi: I thought you were on unstable |
| 23:05.03 | robin__sz | backports.org even |
| 23:05.17 | zinx | Crissi: amazingly, you can look at /usr/share/doc/xserver-xorg/changelog.Debian.gz as well |
| 23:05.21 | Crissi | since last wekk my system freezes hard if i copy files under x from a usb disk with xfs |
| 23:05.38 | zinx | Crissi: that doesn't sound like an X problem. |
| 23:05.40 | Crissi | on console it works fine |
| 23:05.47 | gravity | Crissi: This only happens when you're running X? |
| 23:05.50 | Crissi | yes |
| 23:05.57 | gravity | Crissi: What video driver are you running? |
| 23:06.02 | Crissi | nvidia |
| 23:06.06 | gravity | Crissi: Not my problem. |
| 23:06.06 | Crissi | but also happens with nv |
| 23:06.10 | gravity | Hrm |
| 23:06.17 | gravity | How are you copying the files? |
| 23:06.33 | Crissi | i still stucks more than 4 days at this problem |
| 23:06.43 | Crissi | cp -r <src> . |
| 23:06.47 | gravity | wtf |
| 23:07.00 | zinx | Crissi: sounds a lot like a hardware problem to me. |
| 23:07.00 | gravity | That's a very odd bug |
| 23:07.09 | Crissi | originally it freezes at plaing audio from this disk |
| 23:07.10 | azeem | you said it happened on other occasions as well |
| 23:07.25 | Crissi | i tried cp but it looks up too! |
| 23:07.34 | SerajewelKS | you know you're a debian geek when you try to use "apt-cache search" in the firefox address bar when trying to use the "google" quicksearch |
| 23:07.36 | gravity | Crissi: You're going to have to get a backtrace from the server |
| 23:07.40 | Crissi | i had tried to eleminate all possibilutie |
| 23:07.46 | Crissi | no logs |
| 23:07.52 | Crissi | system freeze hrad |
| 23:07.54 | Crissi | hard |
| 23:08.00 | zinx | Crissi: your hardware is bad. |
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| 23:08.01 | pickcoder | Crissi: strace cp |
| 23:08.07 | Crissi | ok.. |
| 23:08.10 | Crissi | that i can do :) |
| 23:08.13 | gravity | Crissi: http://wiki.x.org/wiki/DebuggingTheXserver |
| 23:08.28 | Crissi | i can install dbg pkg |
| 23:08.31 | gravity | That's a seriously bizarre bug. It may well be faulty hardware. |
| 23:08.38 | Crissi | no |
| 23:08.39 | zinx | Crissi: what part is a good question, but it could be ram, cpu, power supply, video card, usb controller, usb stick, etc etc |
| 23:08.59 | Crissi | thats the thing.. ubuntu live dvd and installed on other partition work fine |
| 23:09.03 | gravity | There is no -dbg package unfortunately |
| 23:09.13 | gravity | You'll have to rebuild the server and -nv driver with debugging symbols |
| 23:09.16 | zinx | Crissi: right, and it uses a different set of software which isn't triggering your intermittent problem |
| 23:09.17 | Crissi | i had ran memtest and dell system test from cd |
| 23:09.20 | gravity | I need to document this on our wiki |
| 23:09.27 | pickcoder | how can it be the video card if the copy command is being used in a terminal session? |
| 23:09.37 | zinx | Crissi: you might try a lesser kernel, something -386 |
| 23:09.46 | Crissi | tried.. no luck |
| 23:09.48 | gravity | pickcoder: It could be an issue with the font system or the rendering that the terminal does |
| 23:09.55 | zinx | Crissi: but it really sounds like your hardware's bad |
| 23:09.57 | gravity | Crissi: Does it hardlock the whole system? Can you ssh in? |
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| 23:10.16 | pickcoder | so then the console would lockup the X session even if it wasn't "cp" |
| 23:10.27 | Crissi | 2.6.15, 2.6.27 and my 2.8.18 i had build self (before start crashing and work fine) |
| 23:10.31 | zinx | pickcoder: Not necessarily. |
| 23:10.42 | Crissi | gravity: yes really hard. |
| 23:10.44 | pickcoder | if it's font-related it would |
| 23:10.48 | gravity | hrmpf |
| 23:10.48 | azeem | Crissi: how much RAM do you have? |
| 23:10.49 | Crissi | no sysreq or ssh |
| 23:10.50 | pickcoder | ls would lock it up too |
| 23:10.55 | gravity | Crissi: What architecture? |
| 23:10.58 | Crissi | azeem: 2GB |
| 23:11.08 | Crissi | ia32 |
| 23:11.16 | Crissi | dell inspiron 9400 |
| 23:11.35 | gravity | hrm |
| 23:11.36 | pickcoder | hm.. Crissi: any funky filenames on the USB stick? |
| 23:11.38 | azeem | Crissi: use a serial console |
| 23:11.52 | Crissi | pickcoder: yes some blanks and so on |
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| 23:12.09 | gravity | Yeah, I'll need a backtrace to do anything |
| 23:12.14 | gravity | That's going to be hard to get without ssh though |
| 23:12.16 | Crissi | but ubuntu works and it has worked before too |
| 23:12.19 | pickcoder | maybe the blanks aren't spaces.. |
| 23:13.02 | Crissi | azeem: serial console is impossible (just tried with usb-serial-converter but no luck) because no serial port there |
| 23:13.33 | Crissi | i can try if it crashes if i play music from a usb stick which is formatted with vfat |
| 23:13.41 | azeem | Crissi: try to cp one file at a time and figure out which one makes it lock up |
| 23:13.50 | jhonn | robin__sz: latest version... with apt-get the latest version for mysql server is 4.0.24... but in the official page of mysql 5.xx is the "LATEST VERSION" |
| 23:14.02 | gravity | Crissi: Does this happen with the vesa driver? |
| 23:14.16 | Crissi | azeem: if i play music the first file bring me to the dead |
| 23:14.23 | jhonn | I want to know your impression... what do you think about upgrade to latest versions of mysql and pphp (because is not an official debian sarge stable versions)... is a good practice??? (install not recognized up to date versions) |
| 23:14.24 | Crissi | gravity: i'l try |
| 23:14.27 | robin__sz | jhonn, and which particular features do you need that re not in 4.0.24? |
| 23:15.21 | jhonn | some features that a developer that works in my server is requiring.. |
| 23:15.34 | jhonn | I don't know what features particulary... |
| 23:15.36 | robin__sz | and what about backports.org? |
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| 23:15.57 | robin__sz | !backports |
| 23:15.57 | dpkg | i guess backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 23:16.28 | Crissi | gravity: another thing i found is that the font under nv driver is very small and under nvidia its normal |
| 23:18.23 | robin__sz | jhonn, backports has mysql 5.0.24a |
| 23:18.55 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: yeah, I'm a DD... there are a few of us here (azeem is too) |
| 23:19.30 | gravity | Crissi: Anyway, what you should do is file a bug against xserver-xorg-core using reportbug. Please include your Xorg.0.log and xorg.conf in the report so we can look at it in detail |
| 23:19.34 | gravity | I have to get going though |
| 23:20.08 | robin__sz | I suggest that if you really must have 5.0 then add that to your etc/apt/sources list. then spend the rest of the week trying to work out why the applications that were tested with mysql 4.0 behave strangely with 5.0 ... |
| 23:22.10 | jetx | that would be week-end |
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| 23:28.12 | Crissi | no luck... after 25sec playing audio,.system freezed with vesa too |
| 23:28.15 | Crissi | :( |
| 23:28.44 | azeem | please try hard to reproduce this in non-X |
| 23:29.09 | linuxmigration | where is the source for debian packages tracked? is there a repo? |
| 23:29.26 | azeem | in the same pool as the binary debs |
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| 23:29.39 | abrotman | tracked ? |
| 23:30.06 | stew | linuxmigration: every debian repository also contains source. you can fetch the source with apt-get (man apt-get ; man source.list), or go to http://packages.qa.debian.org/packagename |
| 23:30.14 | stew | sources.list* |
| 23:30.31 | linuxmigration | i did not mean debian repository ;) i meant SCM |
| 23:30.32 | Crissi | azeem: i'll try without x but all times i had tried it worked... |
| 23:30.40 | Crissi | but lets giv a try again |
| 23:31.04 | linuxmigration | is there some way to see debian mods vs. upstream source? |
| 23:31.24 | stew | linuxmigration: yes, when you get the source, you get the original tarball, and you get a debian patch |
| 23:31.54 | abrotman | there's also a changelog |
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| 23:32.18 | happy_broccoli | what does "show variables like 'version';" look like in debian's build of mysql? |
| 23:32.21 | isofunk2 | unsure |
| 23:32.31 | abrotman | happy_broccoli: try it ? |
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| 23:32.45 | happy_broccoli | abrotman: im on suse. could you help me pleasE? |
| 23:32.52 | abrotman | i don't run mysql |
| 23:33.08 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: depends on which version of mysql. |
| 23:33.34 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: any works. i want to see the string is all |
| 23:34.25 | dondelelcaro | happy_broccoli: 4.0.24_Debian-10sarge2-log FE. |
| 23:34.35 | happy_broccoli | dondelelcaro: ah ok |
| 23:34.38 | happy_broccoli | THX! |
| 23:34.39 | abrotman | FE ? |
| 23:34.43 | dondelelcaro | !FE |
| 23:34.44 | dpkg | FE stands for end; dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, eg. 'eg.' |
| 23:34.47 | linuxmigration | stew: so the .diff in the on the packages.d.o page for the src pkg is a diff against the official mozilla corp release? |
| 23:34.48 | abrotman | ah |
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| 23:35.01 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: fe =~ s/eg./ie./ |
| 23:35.01 | dpkg | OK, dondelelcaro |
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| 23:35.06 | happy_broccoli | !HA=FUNFUN |
| 23:35.13 | happy_broccoli | !HA |
| 23:35.14 | dpkg | i guess ha is High Availability |
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| 23:39.38 | cafuego | !Fe |
| 23:39.39 | dpkg | FE stands for end; dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, ie. 'eg.' |
| 23:39.53 | abrotman | i thought he just changed that |
| 23:39.59 | abrotman | oh .. he did |
| 23:40.03 | marsje | Question: how to specify the local domain name? |
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| 23:40.12 | stew | fe stands for end? |
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| 23:40.39 | dondelelcaro | stew: dunno; I didn't put that part in. I'd believe Form End... |
| 23:40.39 | cafuego | Yes, we forgot iron. |
| 23:41.33 | linuxmigration | stew: so the .diff in the on the packages.d.o page for the src pkg is a diff against the official mozilla corp release? |
| 23:42.53 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: no, fe is <reply> Fe is Ferrum, or Iron, atomic number 26, 55.847amu. FE is dondelelcaro-speak for For Example, ie 'eg.'. FE can also mean Functional Entity or possibly Form End. |
| 23:42.54 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 23:42.55 | azeem | linuxmigration: it's a diff against the .orig.tar.gz |
| 23:43.21 | azeem | dondelelcaro: thanks for ironing that ou |
| 23:43.21 | azeem | t |
| 23:43.42 | dondelelcaro | have some big iron... |
| 23:43.56 | stew | linuxmigration: no its a diff against the .orig.tar.gz on that same page. that orig.tar.gz should not contain anything that has been changed since it was downloaded from mozilla but it could have had some things removed if debian feels that those things could not be legally redistributed |
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| 23:45.54 | stew | linuxmigration: for example, the firefox orig.tar.gz will not contain the firefox logos since debian does not consider them to be compliant with the dfsg |
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| 23:48.30 | eubu | hi |
| 23:49.27 | Xorm | hello. |
| 23:49.52 | linuxmigration | !dfsg |
| 23:49.53 | dpkg | [dfsg] the Debian Free Software Guidelines, which can be found at http://www.debian.org/intro/free, or http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines |
| 23:50.39 | p3rti | hi. someone can recommend me some software like IDE to make a dhtml webpage with php and mysql? |
| 23:50.39 | eubu | can some tell me how i can open my windows files from linux |
| 23:51.09 | stew | eubu: what kind of files? |
| 23:51.29 | stew | eubu: or do you mean, how do you get at a windows partition? |
| 23:51.34 | eubu | ntfs |
| 23:51.53 | stew | eubu: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 23:52.21 | eubu | ok i will give it a try |
| 23:55.01 | eubu | is there more to that comand that i need to put in |
| 23:56.46 | stew | eubu: which? |
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| 23:57.20 | eubu | think of me as a real newb |
| 23:58.54 | stew | dpkg: tell eubu about ntfsro |
| 23:58.59 | dondelelcaro | p3rti: you're better off just writing the code that you need in an editor like emacs or vim |
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| 23:59.22 | stew | eubu: do you know which partition your nfts filesystem is on? something like /dev/hda1 perhaps? |
