| 00:00.04 | *** join/#debian Pryon (n=Pryon@c-68-35-104-163.hsd1.nm.comcast.net) |
| 00:00.44 | eimajenthat | moron question: The last 5 times I installed debian etch, my soundcard worked automatigcally. This time not so. I think it's because I usually install the desktop package group, but this time I'm installing just the stuff I want. |
| 00:00.57 | eimajenthat | What packages do I need to install to get sound working? |
| 00:01.07 | dvs | !install alsa |
| 00:01.13 | dvs | oops! |
| 00:01.25 | dvs | eimajenthat: alsa-utils and a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:01.29 | stew | eimajenthat: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 00:01.30 | streuner | dvs: http://www.mobygames.com/game/dos/pushover/screenshots |
| 00:01.53 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-250-190-140.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:02.12 | *** join/#debian SHS` (i=SHS_@phpbb/manager/SHS) |
| 00:02.14 | *** join/#debian viator (n=laptop2@pool-71-123-117-32.spfdma.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:02.31 | eimajenthat | thx dvs and stew |
| 00:02.47 | viator | whats the name of the graphical utility to addremove kernels from the boot menu in grub etc |
| 00:02.56 | dvs | streuner: looks kinda interesting. I was more into the shoot-em-ups like Fire and Forget |
| 00:02.59 | *** join/#debian Bombo_ (i=bombo@dslb-084-060-210-103.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 00:03.59 | n3kl | how do I downgrade a package? |
| 00:04.06 | *** join/#debian jabular (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:04.20 | sanmarcos | n3kl: what package |
| 00:04.22 | Xenguy | n3kl: locate the previous .deb and install |
| 00:04.25 | sanmarcos | depends on what kind of downgrade |
| 00:04.27 | sanmarcos | you could use pinning |
| 00:04.36 | n3kl | evdev |
| 00:04.38 | *** join/#debian nargles (n=gamer@156.12.180.133) |
| 00:04.39 | nargles | hiya |
| 00:04.54 | nargles | does the bot know anything about installing flash plugin for firefox ? |
| 00:05.08 | abrotman | !flash |
| 00:05.09 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 00:05.13 | Snake-Eyes | its iceweasel |
| 00:05.13 | nargles | ahh |
| 00:05.15 | n3kl | when I startx X, I get (EE) module ABI minor version (6) is newer than the server's version (5) |
| 00:05.15 | nargles | thanx pal |
| 00:05.25 | eimajenthat | I was reading about how Debian is going to have to switch to iceweasel. When will that happen? |
| 00:05.28 | jelly | icewtfnow? |
| 00:05.31 | n3kl | So I figure downgrading could fix the issue |
| 00:05.34 | jelly | !iceweasel |
| 00:05.34 | dpkg | methinks iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 00:05.42 | Xenguy | Isn't there a debian website that has past 'snapshots' of previous versions? |
| 00:05.47 | streuner | nargles: easy, if you using the binaries just visit a flash site, if you using debian just search the plugin |
| 00:06.01 | viator | i like the flock browser |
| 00:06.08 | peterS | Xenguy: snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:06.40 | eimajenthat | can iceseasel use firefox plugins and extensions? |
| 00:06.53 | peterS | eimajenthat: iceweasel isn't even in debian yet so who knows |
| 00:06.57 | *** part/#debian martianixor (n=chatzill@196.218.71.163) |
| 00:07.02 | peterS | eimajenthat: it's a pretty shallow fork though so probably |
| 00:07.10 | Xenguy | peterS: thanks (was using .org :-) |
| 00:07.14 | *** join/#debian jazzmans (n=jazzmans@nv-76-0-198-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 00:07.21 | viator | itll be firefox with a new icon and name |
| 00:07.22 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua (n=anapi@AMarseille-153-1-38-176.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 00:07.26 | stew | peterS: would that make it a spork? |
| 00:07.28 | viator | basically |
| 00:07.32 | peterS | Xenguy: yeah the difference is that debian.net is used for debian-related things that aren't (yet) officially endorsed by the Project |
| 00:07.34 | stew | viator: and security patches |
| 00:07.40 | *** join/#debian malix0 (n=malix@host8-182-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 00:07.50 | Xenguy | peterS: ahh |
| 00:08.06 | peterS | viator: the gnu project has already put other patches in, though not a lot |
| 00:08.22 | malix0 | hi all can someone test this with Firefox http://www.massimofidanza.it/firefox/ |
| 00:08.33 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 00:08.34 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@host8-182-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] by azeem |
| 00:08.34 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 00:08.34 | peterS | Xenguy: there's been a lot of talk about bringing snapshot.debian.net into debian.org and buying their hard disks for them or something |
| 00:08.39 | azeem | malix0: don't cross-post |
| 00:08.57 | Xenguy | peterS: sounds like a useful archive |
| 00:09.02 | n3kl | Xenguy: how do I find the older package? |
| 00:09.08 | peterS | Xenguy: yeah, it is |
| 00:09.22 | Xenguy | n3kl: try http://snapshot.debian.net |
| 00:09.38 | n3kl | k |
| 00:10.02 | *** join/#debian edmundo_v (n=edmundo@201-25-22-156.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 00:10.02 | jazzmans | fixed the ro root partition, but I still can't get 3 of the 4 nfs folders mounted. I get "mount : blackpeter:/mnt/hde1/new_core failed, reason given by server: Permission denied" the thing is, the syntax is identical on the share that is mounting correctly to the syntax on the shares that aren't mounting. any help? |
| 00:10.42 | peterS | jazzmans: some NFS servers insist that your IP address has to reverse-resolve into a DNS name. this is true on AIX for instance. that's bitten me a few times |
| 00:11.02 | n3kl | jazzmans: hosts.allow ? |
| 00:11.44 | jazzmans | hosts.allow has the correct client listed. as I said, I can mount 1 of the 4 shares. |
| 00:12.03 | peterS | jazzmans: and /etc/exports has the same attributes for each? |
| 00:12.16 | *** join/#debian khaije1 (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 00:12.57 | jazzmans | peterS, I'm going to post in #paste etc/exports |
| 00:13.18 | jazzmans | erm, I mean #flood |
| 00:15.03 | *** join/#debian desus (n=desus@201.15.136.11) |
| 00:15.34 | *** join/#debian jabular_ (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 00:15.43 | *** join/#debian Werdnum (n=Andrew@wikimedia/Werdna) |
| 00:16.52 | *** join/#debian Nies (n=pep@84-121-7-89.onocable.ono.com) |
| 00:17.24 | *** join/#debian jazzmanss (n=arthur@nv-76-0-198-176.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) |
| 00:17.29 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 00:17.40 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@host8-182-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] by azeem |
| 00:17.42 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 00:19.32 | *** join/#debian jond3rd (n=jond3rd@203.131.79.132) |
| 00:21.00 | *** join/#debian karsten (n=karsten@linuxmafia.com) |
| 00:23.11 | *** join/#debian yel (n=yassine@xdsl-213-168-120-122.netcologne.de) |
| 00:23.30 | *** join/#debian lavi (n=lavi@221.226.103.140) |
| 00:23.38 | *** join/#debian bsmntbom1dood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-164-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:25.05 | *** join/#debian Rhizome (n=Rhizome@host-81-191-147-145.bluecom.no) |
| 00:25.49 | *** join/#debian zoid (n=zoid@nr22-69-61-147-3.fuse.net) |
| 00:26.42 | abrotman | !moo |
| 00:26.42 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 00:27.21 | locke | how do i add a user to the sudoers file? |
| 00:27.41 | yanmorin | visudo |
| 00:27.44 | dvs | locke: visudo |
| 00:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper |
| 00:28.39 | locke | cool |
| 00:28.43 | locke | i actualyl just foudn that :) |
| 00:28.49 | dvs | uh huh |
| 00:29.16 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 00:29.22 | gimmulf | how do i reconfigure my os language? dpkg-reconfigre ?? |
| 00:29.31 | ahlfors | There are nightly install CDS made for i386 sid, right? |
| 00:29.32 | gimmulf | in shell |
| 00:29.45 | azeem | ahlfors: I don't think so |
| 00:29.45 | Gnurdux | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.56 | dvs | gimmulf: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 00:29.57 | Gnurdux | but there are nightly d-i builds |
| 00:29.58 | dvs | I think |
| 00:30.17 | locke | im trying to figure out what to put in it thou gh |
| 00:30.24 | locke | i need the user angie to be able to sudo |
| 00:30.47 | locke | i want to set up a desktop icon to do an apt-get update and apt-get upgrade with just a click and a password |
| 00:30.53 | ahlfors | etch=testing right? The links to the bittorrent cd isos on the debian home page are broken |
| 00:32.14 | ahlfors | I guess they don't make weekly images for testing avail by BT or something. |
| 00:32.23 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@c-71-236-250-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 00:32.28 | ahlfors | I can install with just the first CD right? |
| 00:32.33 | abrotman | ahlfors: no |
| 00:32.45 | abrotman | ahlfors: yes |
| 00:32.58 | ahlfors | abrotman, respectively? good |
| 00:33.20 | abrotman | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta3/i386/bt-cd/ |
| 00:33.25 | abrotman | the daily's aren't there .. but beta3 is |
| 00:33.46 | *** join/#debian [Niess] (n=pep@84.121.7.89) |
| 00:34.06 | ahlfors | My debian system has been humming along happily for so long, I have almost forgotten how to install. Maybe creating a bootable hard disk on my working system would be easier. |
| 00:34.21 | *** join/#debian grandy (n=chatzill@h4609e9fc.area4.spcsdns.net) |
| 00:34.45 | locke | man |
| 00:34.46 | grandy | hello... could someone explain to me how to check exactly what version of an installed package i have? |
| 00:34.52 | locke | i cant figure out what the sudoers man page is trying to tell me |
| 00:34.56 | *** join/#debian nicodarious (n=phantom@60.196.142.120) |
| 00:34.59 | azeem | grandy: dpkg -l <package> |
| 00:35.02 | locke | i just want the user "angie" to be able to sudo apt-get |
| 00:35.07 | gimmulf | how do i see what vim related packages which is installed? |
| 00:35.18 | grandy | azeem: thanks! |
| 00:35.19 | sanmarcos | how can I get libGL.so.1 ? |
| 00:35.32 | azeem | sanmarcos: packages.debian.org has a file search feature at the bottom |
| 00:35.46 | *** join/#debian duncf (n=duncf@apache/committer/duncf) |
| 00:35.57 | sanmarcos | azeem: thank you |
| 00:36.21 | ahlfors | sanmarcos, that particular library is a tricky one. What kind of graphics card do you have? |
| 00:36.31 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-164-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:37.39 | ahlfors | sanmarcos, You can get that file by installing libgl1-mesa-glx, but if you are expecting accelerated 3d graphics you will be disappointed |
| 00:39.19 | sanmarcos | ahlfors: I have an nvidia riva tnt |
| 00:39.27 | sanmarcos | ahlfors: NO, the legacy drivers do not work |
| 00:39.33 | sanmarcos | its all about money |
| 00:40.09 | ahlfors | sanmarcos, lol. Go ahead and install libgl1-mesa-glx in that case. No accelerated 3d. |
| 00:40.34 | *** join/#debian khermans_ (n=khermans@pool-68-160-129-26.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 00:40.51 | gimmulf | Havin a veri wierd problem, big swedish characters doesnt work in shell |
| 00:41.01 | khermans_ | how do i get context sensitive bash completion? like apt-get <TAB><TAB> implies install/remove/etc ... |
| 00:41.03 | gimmulf | they just become "?" and a newline |
| 00:41.31 | gimmulf | but i ran dpkg-reconfigure locales and set it to swedish utf-8 |
| 00:41.33 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-164-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 00:41.36 | gimmulf | please help |
| 00:41.54 | abrotman | did you pick it as your default? and login/logout ? |
| 00:42.03 | sanmarcos | ahlfors: no such package |
| 00:42.09 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.244.162.49.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 00:42.22 | sanmarcos | khermans_: bash completion, but it isnt that advancaed |
| 00:42.30 | sanmarcos | khermans_: what you want is zsh, it can do that out of the box |
| 00:42.48 | ahlfors | sanmarcos, that's the package containing libGL.so.1 in my debian sid install |
| 00:43.05 | *** join/#debian dsl4908 (n=root@200-232-226-234.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 00:43.15 | sanmarcos | ahlfors: nevermind, ill work it out |
| 00:44.10 | abrotman | !tell dsl4908 about root |
| 00:44.22 | scanf | did anyone ever bother to backport mesa 6.x to debian stable? 5 is like really old |
| 00:44.31 | *** join/#debian lordnazgul (n=lordnazg@c-71-201-35-214.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 00:44.41 | abrotman | !backports |
| 00:44.41 | dpkg | it has been said that backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 00:45.54 | *** join/#debian bier__ (n=bier@pD9E2C7ED.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 00:47.03 | *** join/#debian iamtheobject (n=object@c-24-30-38-49.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) |
| 00:47.07 | scanf | I think I checked the official backports before |
| 00:48.00 | scanf | Just kind of funny. Mesa 5 is so old it borders on rediculous |
| 00:48.04 | abrotman | checked apt-get.org ? |
| 00:48.11 | abrotman | or /msg dpkg simple sid backport ? |
| 00:48.27 | lunitik | ssb is less typing |
| 00:48.31 | malix0 | can I post? |
| 00:49.36 | dvs | !flood |
| 00:49.36 | dpkg | It's considered impolite to paste many lines of text on IRC. Please don't do it. Pasting one line is fine. Pasting two lines you can usually get away with. Pasting three lines will get you insulted. Pasting four or more lines will get you kicked. If you want to paste, use #flood or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:49.38 | malix0 | I'm investigating on this bug 391880 |
| 00:50.11 | jazzmans | peterS. Weirdness never ceases. I changed etc/exports to use the hostname instead of ip, unexported using exportfs -a and then re-exported and everything mounted just fine. very very odd. Now if I only knew WHY it did what it did. |
| 00:50.32 | peterS | jazzmans: yeah really. well. so long as it works. |
| 00:50.34 | malix0 | can someone try the testcase |
| 00:50.44 | peterS | jazzmans: maybe if you didn't unexport earlier when trying stuff, that was messing you up |
| 00:50.44 | jazzmans | thanks again for the help. :) |
| 00:51.01 | *** join/#debian _xavier (n=xavier@modemcable037.119-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 00:51.13 | jazzmans | yeah, that might have been a problem peterS. |
| 00:55.51 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 00:58.36 | *** part/#debian edmundo_v (n=edmundo@201-25-22-156.paemt705.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) |
| 00:58.50 | *** join/#debian gesker (n=gesker@adsl0004-rb.ka.centurytel.net) |
| 00:59.41 | *** part/#debian malix0 (n=malix@host8-182-dynamic.11-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 01:00.13 | *** join/#debian administrator (i=administ@nat/cisco/x-f636c129b25f5b41) |
| 01:00.39 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-72c81a8f2fb6d26a) |
| 01:01.33 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 01:01.41 | *** join/#debian ken29147 (n=chatzill@222.92.109.226) |
| 01:01.51 | *** join/#debian Lakez (i=lakez@unaffiliated/lakez) |
| 01:02.48 | sineer | anyone know how I can boost the priority of a process started by an init.d deamon script (lighttpd) that's running as www-data... I'd like to nice -10 the process (that's currently pri 15!?) and see if it speeds up the web server... |
| 01:03.09 | scanf | nice? |
| 01:03.23 | *** join/#debian Firestarter (n=Firestar@cpe-74-70-76-50.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 01:03.36 | sineer | well it calls lighttpd process directly without nice.. perhaps a start-stop-deamon option |
| 01:04.05 | sineer | an never mind :) -N |
| 01:04.08 | *** join/#debian kbezon (n=aposada@200.85.0.134) |
| 01:04.12 | *** join/#debian unreal (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 01:04.19 | scanf | sigh |
| 01:04.30 | *** join/#debian dvst (n=Javier@201.208.118.165) |
| 01:04.36 | *** join/#debian ohtar (i=sqdavid@200.87.18.62) |
| 01:04.54 | scanf | I appear to be between a rock and a hard place |
| 01:05.01 | *** part/#debian kbezon (n=aposada@200.85.0.134) |
| 01:05.21 | eeyore- | sineer: static pages? |
| 01:05.51 | abrotman | why are you still at work ? |
| 01:05.54 | scanf | either stay with ancient debian stable and ancient mesa 5 (lol) |
| 01:05.57 | scanf | or |
| 01:06.06 | eeyore- | scanf: gentoo |
| 01:06.09 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (i=burek@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 01:06.19 | scanf | upgrade to iffy unstable and not complain when things break |
| 01:06.22 | eeyore- | abrotman: Jeep at dealer, have to wait for wife |
| 01:06.28 | sineer | woot! That fixed my prob allright! |
| 01:06.36 | scanf | gentoo -- eeew |
| 01:06.36 | abrotman | eeyore-: piece of crap .. never runs right! |
| 01:06.37 | eeyore- | abrotman: can you believe they've had it for TWO DAYS? |
| 01:06.43 | abrotman | eeyore-: did you break it ? |
| 01:06.47 | *** join/#debian jabular_ (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:06.56 | eeyore- | abrotman: nah, just had to get the upper ball joints replaced before I go to death valley |
| 01:07.11 | abrotman | oh .. is that all ? |
| 01:07.28 | sineer | eeyore-, nah dynamic pages. but I just god scrwed by browser cache again.. its not that much faster :( |
| 01:07.31 | *** join/#debian peerless (n=peerless@124-168-21-169.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 01:07.49 | *** join/#debian Anarka (i=anarka@c-3173e455.29-28-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 01:07.52 | eeyore- | abrotman: well yeah, except first day they didn't have the parts. second day (today) the parts arrived from LA, but they had two right-hand control arms ... so tomorrow, THIRD day, hopefully they have one left and one right control arm :-) |
| 01:08.03 | eeyore- | see ya! |
| 01:08.05 | abrotman | total slackers! |
| 01:09.55 | simonrvn | eeyore-: i was just wondering where you went a couple of days ago. hi |
| 01:10.36 | abrotman | simonrvn: where've you been hiding? |
| 01:10.55 | Firestarter | anyone know if there is a debian/linux program for converting swf files to pdf |
| 01:10.57 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (n=mike@c-68-46-30-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 01:11.08 | simonrvn | not here ;) |
| 01:11.11 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 01:11.13 | *** join/#debian thingfish (n=mark@dialup-4.244.162.117.Dial1.StLouis1.Level3.net) |
| 01:11.21 | abrotman | Firestarter: are you serious? i'm not even aware of a windows app for that |
| 01:12.08 | abrotman | simonrvn: i agree! |
| 01:12.44 | thingfish | simonrvn: what's going on? |
| 01:13.07 | thingfish | sleep being fucked is major nasty. |
| 01:13.12 | simonrvn | life. heh |
| 01:13.19 | *** join/#debian ken29147 (n=chatzill@222.92.109.226) |
| 01:13.32 | simonrvn | for me it's pretty much been fucked up, it's just worse |
| 01:13.38 | thingfish | tell me about it |
| 01:13.51 | simonrvn | i'll be ok though |
| 01:14.20 | thingfish | of course money would solve most of my problems. |
| 01:14.25 | thingfish | but then... |
| 01:14.30 | thingfish | oh yeah? |
| 01:14.30 | thingfish | I hope so. |
| 01:15.33 | simonrvn | that would solve some probs, but others, it isn't problems as things i need to do soon |
| 01:15.34 | thingfish | ah |
| 01:15.47 | thingfish | like have a kid or something? |
| 01:15.51 | Firestarter | abrotman: there are some commercial windows apps that do it |
| 01:16.03 | simonrvn | not in a literal sense |
| 01:16.23 | simonrvn | i can't say more than that |
| 01:16.24 | thingfish | I see |
| 01:16.34 | thingfish | for sure |
| 01:16.38 | simonrvn | bound by custom |
| 01:16.50 | thingfish | ;) |
| 01:16.53 | simonrvn | :) |
| 01:17.26 | *** join/#debian speeves (n=speeves@66-169-208-108.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 01:17.55 | thingfish | simonrvn: good always wins, in the end. And we manage to continue, despite our current circumstances. Things fall into place, even if they're momentarily out of place. At least I hope that's true. |
| 01:18.03 | PumpkinPie | there are 666 users in #debian right now |
| 01:18.11 | simonrvn | yes, it is |
| 01:18.13 | speeves | uh-oh |
| 01:18.14 | PumpkinPie | spooky |
| 01:18.15 | CHodapp | OH NOES |
| 01:18.24 | thingfish | gasp |
| 01:18.25 | simonrvn | ohnoz. *snore* |
| 01:18.25 | speeves | that's better |
| 01:18.34 | CHodapp | there are 665 users in #debian right now |
| 01:18.42 | CHodapp | that's spooky |
| 01:18.43 | thingfish | does that mean the devil is with us? |
| 01:18.43 | thingfish | abrotman??? |
| 01:18.46 | thingfish | :) |
| 01:18.47 | Gnurdux | thats quite a bit |
| 01:18.51 | thingfish | I know. |
| 01:18.56 | PumpkinPie | actually thats a lot of users |
| 01:18.58 | Gnurdux | this friday is friday the 13th.... |
| 01:19.00 | abrotman | thingfish: more than you know |
| 01:19.03 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@222.66.106.154) |
| 01:19.12 | Gnurdux | and tis gonna be a bad day for some people in my school |
| 01:19.13 | thingfish | with maybe 10 talking |
| 01:19.19 | thingfish | hehe abrotman |
| 01:19.28 | CHodapp | I'm reminded of when we bought Dells at our school, years back, and they were all labeled 667 MHz |
| 01:19.36 | Gnurdux | its school spirit week (ie freshman hell week) and friday is also class color day |
| 01:19.45 | *** join/#debian trym (n=trym@ws001.oslo.skaargroup.no) |
| 01:19.59 | trym | how would I upgrade to perl 5.8.6 on debian sarge without it fucking anything up ? |
| 01:20.00 | thingfish | Gnurdux: you mean rancid sloppy joes again in the cafeteria? |
| 01:20.00 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: ? |
| 01:20.07 | Gnurdux | i dunno |
| 01:20.11 | Gnurdux | nobody buys lunch |
| 01:20.19 | PumpkinPie | I ghouth gentoo was based off debian ? |
| 01:20.20 | CHodapp | freshman initiation was fun for me when I was a freshman, because I took some people out and got a reputation for going apeshit |
| 01:20.26 | Gnurdux | my school has 3000 students |
| 01:20.29 | Gnurdux | and 2 lunches |
| 01:20.32 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: freshman initiation? |
| 01:20.37 | CHodapp | mine has.........oh yeah, I'm in university |
| 01:20.37 | Gnurdux | so 1500 kids eating at the same time... |
| 01:20.54 | Gnurdux | nobody is gonna buy lunch |
| 01:21.02 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: absolutely not |
| 01:21.03 | Gnurdux | the lines would last the whole period |
| 01:21.10 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: I think it is a fork of slackware, dont know for sure |
| 01:21.13 | CHodapp | sanmarcos, really stupid shit from the immature upperclassmen |
| 01:21.21 | trym | anyone ? |
| 01:21.24 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: easy fix, just take a gun |
| 01:21.27 | Gnurdux | thats basically what it is |
| 01:21.29 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: or knife |
| 01:21.36 | simonrvn | CHodapp: nothing changes when they hit 40 ;) |
| 01:21.37 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: eliminate those unfit from society |
| 01:21.37 | *** join/#debian r3c4ll (i=r3c4ll@201.211.10.53) |
| 01:21.43 | CHodapp | sanmarcos, if I knew it was happening, I'd have had my blade on me and a pocket to carry it in |
| 01:21.52 | simonrvn | o_O |
| 01:21.57 | CHodapp | But I was empty-handed, so I settled for kicking somebody in the face. |
| 01:22.04 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: nice! |
| 01:22.15 | Gnurdux | wow sounds fun |
| 01:22.19 | CHodapp | didn't really matter if it wasn't that hard - if you're a freshman and you kick a senior in the face, people take notice. |
| 01:22.19 | thingfish | oh yay the quality of denizens in this channel suddenly took a nosedive. |
| 01:22.22 | *** join/#debian jabular (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:22.34 | asg | thingfish: suddenly? |
| 01:22.40 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: yes, I play soccer a lot, so my legs are strongers than arms |
| 01:22.46 | r3c4ll | how i can use aptitude to retain a packet |
| 01:22.48 | CHodapp | cross country and shotokan karate here |
| 01:22.51 | sanmarcos | CHodapp: a good kick would probably break a few bones, but that is offtopic |
| 01:22.52 | thingfish | hehe asg |
| 01:22.54 | asg | r3c4ll: /msg dpkg hold |
| 01:23.17 | r3c4ll | how i can use aptitude to use hold |
| 01:23.27 | r3c4ll | debhelper, ?? |
| 01:23.28 | simonrvn | read what the bot will tell you |
| 01:23.28 | CHodapp | sanmarcos, the better kick would scare the living shit out of someone and not injure them in the least |
| 01:23.30 | Gnurdux | just use aPT |
| 01:23.37 | abrotman | asg: suddenly: quickly, abruptly |
| 01:23.39 | asg | r3c4ll: don't, use dpkg. aptitude is just a frontend to dpkg |
| 01:23.51 | simonrvn | r3c4ll: do that command asg gave you in irc |
| 01:23.59 | sanmarcos | r3c4ll: r3c4ll check ?, see h and : |
| 01:24.02 | r3c4ll | asg, thnxs... debhelper is disable? |
| 01:24.13 | simonrvn | debhelper isn't that kind of bot |
| 01:24.43 | PumpkinPie | #gentoo has 900 users but if you combine #ubuntu's 894 which is a debian fork then we still got one over on em |
| 01:24.55 | thingfish | yay! asg |
| 01:24.59 | asg | PumpkinPie: quality over quantity |
| 01:25.07 | abrotman | PumpkinPie: there are two or four #debian's |
| 01:25.07 | thingfish | me too |
| 01:25.17 | CHodapp | say "emerge puberty" in #gentoo and see how many of those 900 speak up |
| 01:25.23 | asg | abrotman: I was starting to come up with #debian: the drinking game |
| 01:25.30 | simonrvn | heh |
| 01:25.30 | Malawar | any way to disable ipv6 completely? |
| 01:25.30 | thingfish | although I'm on my last drink of the evening because I'm getting too boozy |
| 01:25.39 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: #ubuntu != #debian |
| 01:25.40 | AI_coder | PumpkinPie: Ubuntu kicks ass. |
| 01:25.43 | abrotman | asg: put the keyboard down .. go find mrs asg :) |
| 01:25.43 | CHodapp | new rule: if someone asks about apt or apt-get, take a drink |
| 01:25.45 | thingfish | nope |
| 01:25.46 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: the community is much, and I mean totally newbie oriented |
| 01:25.51 | CHodapp | if someone says "ubuntu", take a drink |
| 01:25.53 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: dont try to ask a complex question over there |
| 01:25.53 | *** join/#debian xored (n=gasdasdf@i3ED6C0A6.versanet.de) |
| 01:25.55 | sanmarcos | !ubuntu |
| 01:25.56 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 01:26.03 | asg | abrotman: already have ;) |
| 01:26.05 | thingfish | heh |
| 01:26.09 | CHodapp | when someone joins the channel, take a drink |
| 01:26.12 | simonrvn | w00t asg |
| 01:26.18 | sanmarcos | ahh they removed "Ubuntu: Ancient African word meaning 'I cant configure Debian'" |
| 01:26.18 | AI_coder | Ubuntu is the only chance I think linux has at making inroads into desktops for regular people. |
| 01:26.31 | sanmarcos | AI_coder: indeed, but it still needs polishing |
| 01:26.33 | CHodapp | Ubuntu is good, but they're all improving in various ways |
| 01:26.38 | AI_coder | I put Ubuntu on a friends computer and he was up and using it over his standard windows install in minutes. |
| 01:26.38 | zinx | sanmarcos: too bad too, that was amusing |
| 01:26.39 | thingfish | CHodapp: how about let's take a drink whenever anyone says anything. |
| 01:26.39 | *** part/#debian ohtar (i=sqdavid@200.87.18.62) |
| 01:26.42 | trym | how would I upgrade to perl 5.8.6 on debian sarge without it fucking anything up ? |
| 01:26.45 | abrotman | AI_coder: bullshit |
| 01:26.48 | CHodapp | if someone takes a drink, take a drink |
| 01:26.55 | AI_coder | abrotman: No kidding. |
| 01:27.01 | abrotman | AI_coder: bullshit |
| 01:27.02 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:27.07 | zinx | abrotman: most people don't actually use computers, they just browse the intarweb and read their yahoo mail |
| 01:27.10 | asg | trym: for what reason do you need perl 5.8.6? |
| 01:27.18 | AI_coder | abrotman: He installed xmms/winamp, opera, ooffice2 and went to town in minutes. |
| 01:27.19 | abrotman | zinx: which is why they don't need hand holding |
| 01:27.19 | zinx | abrotman: and add people as friends on myspace |
| 01:27.24 | trym | asg: There's some issues with perl libraries and utf8 |
| 01:27.30 | abrotman | opera isn't even in debian/ubuntu |
| 01:27.39 | trym | asg: And some claim that going from 5.8.4 to 5.8.6 solved the problem |
| 01:27.39 | CHodapp | I'm ashamed to admit that I have a Myspace account. |
| 01:27.46 | thingfish | a curse on anyone that uses the word 'intarweb' or any permutaion thereof. |
| 01:27.50 | sanmarcos | abrotman: it is on ubuntu, just enable the commerical repo |
| 01:27.51 | thingfish | oh dear |
| 01:27.52 | AI_coder | abrotman: Yeah, he just typed opera in a google search and get this, he installed it himself, I know on linux. |
| 01:27.57 | thingfish | I meant permutation. |
| 01:28.00 | asg | trym: try backports.org (I'd verify those claims first though before blindly following advice.) |
| 01:28.04 | abrotman | AI_coder: OMFG .. so did i! |
| 01:28.06 | zinx | thingfish: welcome to the internets |
| 01:28.16 | *** join/#debian cunzhang (n=cunzhang@218.7.43.198) |
| 01:28.19 | zinx | thingfish: you're in a maze of tangly tubes, all alike |
| 01:28.24 | asg | abrotman: o/~ my little pony, my little pony o/~ |
| 01:28.30 | AI_coder | abrotman: Yeah, but you're likely a computer nerd, this guy didn't know a computer program from a box in the store that cost money. |
| 01:28.32 | trym | asg: its my last option :/ |
| 01:28.32 | thingfish | zinx: yes I just joined yesterday. |
| 01:28.35 | cunzhang | hi,debian are you using fcitx? |
| 01:28.40 | simonrvn | zinx: the intarweb? |
| 01:28.40 | abrotman | am i a nerd? |
| 01:28.49 | AI_coder | abrotman: It's highly likely. |
| 01:28.53 | abrotman | asg: oh .. that time of the week huh ? |
| 01:29.01 | abrotman | AI_coder: or i'm experienced |
| 01:29.07 | AI_coder | abrotman: No, you're a nerd. |
| 01:29.11 | asg | abrotman: yes |
| 01:29.17 | thingfish | abrotman: I think you're the geek equivalent of a PhD. |
| 01:29.23 | abrotman | woohoo! |
| 01:29.26 | abrotman | i'm not a nerd! |
| 01:29.35 | dvs | IANAN? |
| 01:29.39 | thingfish | oh yay, sweetie is home, time to order mexican and pig out |
| 01:29.46 | simonrvn | *oink* |
| 01:29.46 | trym | asg: will doing backports fubar my apache setup or installed modules? |
| 01:29.48 | Gnurdux | whats wrong with being a nerd? |
| 01:29.55 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:29.55 | asg | dvs: file a patch against wtf(6) |
| 01:29.57 | abrotman | thingfish: where's mine?! |
| 01:30.01 | AI_coder | Gnurdux: It depends on what matters to you. |
| 01:30.02 | Gnurdux | or a geek |
| 01:30.04 | simonrvn | damn i wish we could order mexican in this neighbourhood, it sucks |
| 01:30.05 | thingfish | here come the chimichangas |
| 01:30.08 | asg | trym: maybe. It shouldn't but there is not guarantee. |
| 01:30.11 | abrotman | simonrvn: poutine! |
| 01:30.13 | asg | s/not/no/ |
| 01:30.13 | *** join/#debian aimtrainer (n=aimtrain@p54AFBECC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 01:30.13 | AI_coder | Gnurdux: Being a nerd is coming into its own right these days. |
| 01:30.19 | abrotman | thingfish: get carnitas for damog! |
| 01:30.22 | thingfish | abrotman: what do you want? They'll have it. |
| 01:30.24 | asg | thingfish: there go the chimichangas |
| 01:30.32 | Gnurdux | i would consider myself a nerd AND geek |
| 01:30.41 | mick_linux | can someone recommend a good sata controller? i'm checking out newegg now, and there are a lot of choices - but i'm not sure what to choose. Basically, I just got 2 500gig SATA drives and i'd like to hook it up to my Debian box |
| 01:30.41 | abrotman | thingfish: carnitas! |
| 01:30.46 | thingfish | abrotman: ooh yes this place has great carnitas. |
| 01:30.49 | *** join/#debian jabular__ (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 01:30.51 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 01:31.01 | trym | asg: hmmz ok |
| 01:31.02 | thingfish | mmm but I'm going to get pork chile verde |
| 01:31.02 | abrotman | mick_linux: do you want RAID or not ? |
| 01:31.09 | sanmarcos | anybody use an UPS, are there any recommendations/brands/ things I should know about getting it to "Work" with Debian? |
| 01:31.12 | *** join/#debian lavi (n=lavi@221.226.103.140) |
| 01:31.13 | AI_coder | Gnurdux: Yeah, but I consider myself a controller of nerds and geeks that don't have backbones, I like telling them what to do, because they listen to everything that you tell them to do. |
| 01:31.30 | cunzhang | debian,my fcitx input bar can't display traditional Chinese,but can input |
| 01:31.34 | asg | trym: you might try etch, if this isn't for a production system or system you care deeply about. |
| 01:31.41 | xored | after waking up out of suspend2 with 2.6.18 my intel_hda sound is not working. Restarting alsa is not working, what could i try ? |
| 01:31.43 | AI_coder | For example, abrotman: say something. |
| 01:31.47 | trym | asg :its a production system :/ |
| 01:31.49 | abrotman | i'm a bot! |
| 01:31.59 | AI_coder | See abrotman man is my bitch. |
| 01:32.05 | simonrvn | abrotman: cookie |
| 01:32.07 | asg | trym: then I'd wait for etch to go stable or try another distro that meets your needs. |
| 01:32.11 | nvz | apt, person? |
| 01:32.12 | apt | extra, extra, read all about it, person is like a bot, but squishier, or a meat popscicle |
| 01:32.18 | nokrev | I can't seem to avoid an error when configuring the LVM: “No physical volumes (i.e. partitions) were found in your system. All physical volumes may already be in use. You may also need to load some required kernel modules or re-partition the hard drives.” I've just followed the installer through the partition setup, and made two partitions: one a / (ext3), and one a swap. |
| 01:32.19 | Gnurdux | won't most SATA controllers work on linux? |
| 01:32.31 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-164-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 01:32.38 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 01:32.40 | xored | Gnurdux: using 2.6.18 will help a lot |
| 01:32.52 | mick_linux | abrotman, not really |
| 01:32.57 | abrotman | mick_linux: not really what? |
| 01:33.06 | mick_linux | it is a thought, but it is not a must ATM |
| 01:33.08 | trym | asg: hmm |
| 01:33.24 | cunzhang | is there any Chinese people using fcitx? |
| 01:33.24 | abrotman | mick_linux: ? |
| 01:33.24 | simonrvn | now i don't know whether to be cheered up or blush. thank you :) |
| 01:33.24 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, check http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 01:33.25 | mick_linux | abrotman, i don't care about Raid |
| 01:33.37 | abrotman | mick_linux: oh .. sorry .. got lost :) |
| 01:33.41 | asg | simonrvn: inclusive or, be both |
| 01:33.48 | mick_linux | you asked (iirc): if i *care* about raid |
| 01:33.48 | abrotman | mick_linux: probably pick a couple .. then ask us .. |
| 01:33.52 | Gnurdux | xored, why? |
| 01:34.07 | Gnurdux | also: do the current etch installers use 2.6.18? |
| 01:34.21 | sanmarcos | what package provides the RH style "service" command? |
| 01:34.32 | xored | Gnurdux: cause they changed and improved a lot on SATA controllers and drives |
| 01:34.35 | simonrvn | invoke-rc.d |
| 01:34.38 | *** join/#debian mfrisch (n=mfrisch@cpe-65-27-190-157.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 01:34.47 | abrotman | mick_linux: also .. check the SATA I/II compatibility with drives/controllers |
| 01:34.49 | mick_linux | abrotman, it seems like i have even more of an option now :-/ |
| 01:35.23 | mick_linux | so it is also drive dependant? |
| 01:35.33 | abrotman | yes |
| 01:35.34 | mick_linux | "check the SATA I/II compatibility with drives" |
| 01:35.37 | mick_linux | oh shit |
| 01:35.48 | abrotman | chances anything that big is SATA II |
| 01:35.50 | mick_linux | i thought it was like IDE where everything just works |
| 01:35.57 | asg | haha |
| 01:36.09 | sanmarcos | this moment brought to you by the "office of complication of otherwise simple affairs" |
| 01:36.17 | abrotman | mick_linux: it'll work .. but speeds matter |
| 01:36.19 | ahlfors | mick_linux, For the most part, it is like that. The vast majority of onboard controllers are supported |
| 01:36.26 | *** join/#debian master_o1_master (n=master_o@p85.212.140.205.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 01:36.29 | mick_linux | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822136014 <-- this is the drive |
| 01:36.42 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, are you shopping for a controller? |
| 01:36.45 | simonrvn | see oyu |
| 01:36.45 | sanmarcos | mick_linux: WD is good. DO NOT BUY MAXTOR |
| 01:36.46 | *** join/#debian sleepyEDB|reinst (n=sleepyED@d14-69-150-123.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 01:36.49 | simonrvn | you even |
| 01:37.05 | mick_linux | ahlfors, i am |
| 01:37.13 | *** join/#debian PDani (n=pdani@pdani.sch.bme.hu) |
| 01:37.15 | abrotman | http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?N=2010150410+1193218488&Submit=ENE&SubCategory=410 |
| 01:37.19 | nokrev | Is there any reason for this? (Is it appropriate to repost a unanswered question from above?) I can't seem to avoid an error when configuring the LVM: “No physical volumes (i.e. partitions) were found in your system. All physical volumes may already be in use. You may also need to load some required kernel modules or re-partition the hard drives.” I've just followed the installer through the partition setup, and made two parti |
| 01:37.44 | Gnurdux | ahlfors, no just curious |
| 01:37.52 | ahlfors | mick_linux, I have a promise sx8 8-port PCI-X controller, and was happy for a long time, but the most recent AMD64 kernels have stability problems with the sx8 driver |
| 01:37.55 | mick_linux | abrotman, that is where i was at ;) |
| 01:38.01 | Gnurdux | but i like to hear that linux supports most standard hardware |
| 01:38.03 | abrotman | mick_linux: that URL is SATA II (or SATA 3Gb) controllers |
| 01:38.04 | mick_linux | i'm just lost in options right now |
| 01:38.09 | mick_linux | ah ok |
| 01:38.26 | Gnurdux | wait 2.6.18 amd64 can't handle the sx8? |
| 01:39.05 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, it can, however it has stability problems. For example, it is impossible to resync a software raid, and disk-intensive tasks on > 2 ports will freeze |
| 01:39.45 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, sx8 on i386 appears unaffected. And anyway sx8 is not that popular of a card, so it probably doesn't matter to you |
| 01:40.06 | *** join/#debian dondek (n=dondek@210.205.119.100) |
| 01:40.07 | Gnurdux | still, what happened to it? |
| 01:40.23 | mick_linux | what is up w/ Transfer Rate: Up to 3Gb/s per port + linux support == $300+ |
| 01:40.26 | Gnurdux | this includes 2.6.18? |
| 01:40.38 | mick_linux | Transfer Rate: Up to 3Gb/s per port + win32 only = $30 |
| 01:40.44 | mick_linux | geez |
| 01:40.48 | abrotman | mick_linux: winmodems |
| 01:41.08 | Daveman | evening, abrotman :) |
| 01:41.12 | mick_linux | i'd like to pay ~$70 |
| 01:41.14 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, still trying to figure that out. I spent the better part of yesterday ruling out hardware problems or non-kernel-driver software problems. |
| 01:41.16 | abrotman | Daveman: hi |
| 01:41.30 | Gnurdux | ahlfors, are you the only one who've experienced the issue? |
| 01:41.32 | ahlfors | Some patch to 2.6.16 caused the problem. |
| 01:41.41 | *** join/#debian wolsni (n=wolsni@user-152-3-159-112.wireless.duke.edu) |
| 01:41.49 | Gnurdux | what did the patch do? |
| 01:41.51 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, I may be. I'm going to post the details to LKML tonight |
| 01:42.33 | ahlfors | Gnurdux, I have not identified the particular patch. However the sx8 driver itself was only modified trivially in that release. I am thinking some other patch affected the sx8 driver's operation in some way. |
| 01:43.17 | ahlfors | Who knows, it may even be a weird expression of some unrelated problem in the 2.6.18 kernel. I don't think new kernels for AMD64 get anywhere near the amount of live testing as i386 |
| 01:43.56 | roflmayonaize | what package do i need to share a folder on a home network and make it visible for a winxp computer? |
| 01:44.22 | asg | roflmayonaize: samba |
| 01:44.26 | ahlfors | roflmayonaize, read up on 'samba' |
| 01:44.43 | roflmayonaize | whats nfs then |
| 01:44.52 | abrotman | don't do it |
| 01:44.54 | abrotman | just use samba |
| 01:44.59 | mick_linux | http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16816102088 <-- what does "bare card" only mean? |
| 01:45.17 | abrotman | it's an OEM card |
| 01:45.41 | asg | mick_linux: proably means "doesn't come in a box with documentation" |
| 01:45.46 | ahlfors | mick_linux, no pretty box with glamour photos of the card on the outside. Probably no manual or cd. |
| 01:45.54 | mick_linux | ok |
| 01:46.05 | abrotman | just a card in a bag |
| 01:46.10 | *** join/#debian neqael (i=neqael@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x791B2A70) |
| 01:46.28 | mick_linux | seems decent (though the other stuff in the comments are kind of sucky) |
| 01:46.31 | Gnurdux | ahlfors: maybe could be a x86-64 arch change? |
| 01:46.37 | abrotman | ugh .. promise |
| 01:46.55 | ahlfors | mick_linux, that card will not work in linux (essentially) |
| 01:48.37 | Gnurdux | Microsoft Windows XP, Windows 2003 Server, Windows 2000 |
| 01:48.37 | Gnurdux | Red Hat Linux; SuSE Linux |
| 01:48.37 | Gnurdux | Linux partial open source code |
| 01:48.43 | Gnurdux | under os's supported |
| 01:48.44 | Gnurdux | so... |
| 01:48.49 | CompWizrd | Promise: "We promise the next one will actually work" |
| 01:49.00 | dvs | CompWizrd: ha! |
| 01:49.52 | mick_linux | this is a lot harder than i thought |
| 01:49.58 | ahlfors | http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html#promise-2300 |
| 01:50.07 | mick_linux | ahlfors, well it says it works on Linux 2.4.x kernels only, |
| 01:50.20 | mick_linux | ya read that |
| 01:50.33 | ahlfors | According to the serial ATA on linux support list, that card is only supported by a closed-source promise driver that only works in old kernels! I call that "not working", essentially |
| 01:50.55 | CompWizrd | promise under linux is like adaptec on windows.. only works with the last version of the OS |
| 01:51.15 | Gnurdux | yep |
| 01:51.17 | ahlfors | CompWizrd, see previous comment for example of the opposite (only works on old versions) |
| 01:51.29 | Gnurdux | 2.6 apparently performs better than 2.4 |
| 01:51.45 | ahlfors | Oh by last you meant "previous", sorry |
| 01:52.21 | CompWizrd | ahlfors: i got burned a few times with adaptec and windows.. they rarely support the next version of windows past what was current when the hardware was made |
| 01:52.53 | CompWizrd | and they charge a heck of a lot for tech support.. i had a 3210S or something like that that died, and they wanted 199 dollars just to tell me what an undocumented error code meant. |
| 01:53.05 | ahlfors | CompWizrd, yeah, that kind of 'support' is a real turd sandwich. I'm going through my own hell with promise as you may have seen. |
| 01:53.06 | CompWizrd | was cheaper to scrap it and go with IDE raid |
| 01:53.54 | ahlfors | Since we have a few interested people here, I'll ask: anybody know of a 4-port SATA controller with PCI-X and rock solid support? |
| 01:54.11 | CompWizrd | ahlfors: 3ware 9500/9550 |
| 01:54.27 | CompWizrd | i've used both, in both raid1 and raid5's |
| 01:54.30 | ahlfors | CompWizrd, I don't want onboard raid. |
| 01:54.32 | CompWizrd | and raid10 , now that i think of it |
| 01:54.35 | CompWizrd | it's not onboard. |
| 01:54.37 | ahlfors | I just want 4 ports. |
| 01:54.45 | CompWizrd | oh, non raid.. ok |
| 01:55.20 | abrotman | ahlfors: 3ware or adaptec |
| 01:55.24 | ahlfors | I do software (linux md) raid only. That's a debate I'm not having though |
| 01:55.31 | ahlfors | Does 3ware make controllers with no raid? |
| 01:56.05 | ahlfors | Looks like no |
| 01:56.08 | mick_linux | ya, i also want something that more-or-less just works |
| 01:56.21 | mick_linux | i don't have the time to futz with stuff |
| 01:56.26 | *** join/#debian Pr0nStrGeek (n=voicenci@cs6625120-28.bham.res.rr.com) |
| 01:56.39 | wolsni | /exit |
| 01:56.49 | *** join/#debian mxFonseca (n=irc@201.53.224.75) |
| 01:56.49 | ahlfors | mick_linux, fwiw that was my experience with the sx8 until recently. How many ports do you need? |
| 01:57.01 | mick_linux | i just have 2 drives |
| 01:57.25 | *** join/#debian speeves (n=speeves@66-169-208-108.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 01:57.28 | mick_linux | i want fast speed, only 2 ports needed, and that it works w/ Debian (and no surprises) |
| 01:57.43 | mick_linux | i don't like surprises ;) |
| 01:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 676] by debhelper |
| 01:58.16 | *** join/#debian meff (n=meff@adsl-70-135-89-221.dsl.austtx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 01:58.25 | mick_linux | stuff that involves me hacking kernel modules, closed source drivers, half assed support and the such |
| 01:58.30 | OptimusPrime | xffm (xfce file browser) is being ghey and is not showing me the SMB network properly (it shows workgroups, but nobody in em, which is completely WRONG). what other tool can i get to see the SMB network |
| 01:58.47 | *** join/#debian kyja (n=kyja@70-41-164-146.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 01:59.52 | *** join/#debian owdondek (n=owdondek@211.63.209.44) |
| 01:59.56 | *** join/#debian k1piee (i=fwuser@220-130-50-11.HINET-IP.hinet.net) |
| 02:00.14 | *** join/#debian Danamania (n=Snak@082.a.001.bat.iprimus.net.au) |
| 02:00.32 | mick_linux | something like a winmodem would make me nuts ;) |
| 02:00.56 | *** join/#debian El-aLEX (n=alex@201-220-125-119.bk10-dsl.surnet.cl) |
| 02:01.03 | *** join/#debian maruz (n=maumar@host199-128-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 02:01.44 | ahlfors | Well despite all that's been said about promise, the multiport SATA controller options look pretty bleak without them. |
| 02:01.48 | *** join/#debian teledyn (n=teledyn@adsl-71-140-56-241.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 02:01.56 | ahlfors | The promise TX4 looks like it has decent support. Anyone use this card? |
| 02:01.57 | *** join/#debian XaMaD (n=madmax@lns-bzn-48f-81-56-241-229.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 02:02.23 | OptimusPrime | so uh how about something that can show me the network? |
| 02:02.56 | jelly-home | when has "gay" stopped meaning happy anyway? |
| 02:03.16 | *** join/#debian rvalles (n=lodoss@80.28.117.121) |
| 02:03.40 | abrotman | jelly-home: it didn't .. just picked up another meaning |
| 02:03.52 | *** part/#debian mxFonseca (n=irc@201.53.224.75) |
| 02:05.54 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@cm142.omega174.maxonline.com.sg) |
| 02:06.16 | mick_linux | OptimusPrime, something that will map out the network w/o SNMP? |
| 02:06.26 | jelly-home | OptimusPrime: LinNeighborhood has a good change of working. |
| 02:06.55 | mick_linux | Mark Spencer wrote an app years ago that does that (unsupported i'm sure) |
| 02:06.59 | jelly-home | mick_linux: not that snmp would show SMB shares... or would it? |
| 02:07.20 | mick_linux | oh just smb shares? |
| 02:07.29 | OptimusPrime | jelly-home, i tried LinNeighborhood, its being pretty ghey too |
| 02:07.37 | mick_linux | konqueror does that |
| 02:07.41 | OptimusPrime | it doesnt show me the network |
| 02:07.45 | OptimusPrime | oh konquere does? |
| 02:07.47 | OptimusPrime | hmmz |
| 02:07.55 | mick_linux | "show the network"? |
| 02:08.02 | jelly-home | OptimusPrime: maybe the apps know about your using "ghey" word as a derogative and stop being helpful. |
| 02:08.02 | OptimusPrime | mick_linux, not too sure what you mean by w/o SNM |
| 02:08.08 | OptimusPrime | im sorry |
| 02:08.19 | mick_linux | then nm |
| 02:08.31 | mick_linux | and it is SNMP |
| 02:08.34 | OptimusPrime | when i say that, imean its either i havent set it up properly so it isnt showing me a systemwide map like a tree |
| 02:08.42 | OptimusPrime | or i dont know how or its not supposed to |
| 02:09.16 | OptimusPrime | xffm was doing it fine the other day, but it just stopped doing it day for some reason. not sure why |
| 02:09.53 | jelly-home | mick_linux: I think he's not looking for an equivalent of Network Node Manager, just an equivalent of Windows' Network Neighborhood. |
| 02:09.54 | OptimusPrime | so what do you guys think? |
| 02:09.58 | OptimusPrime | yesss |
| 02:10.07 | OptimusPrime | thats exactly it |
| 02:10.17 | sparr | debian keeps gtk.h for gtk 2.8 in /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h, and programs are trying to include just gtk/gtk.h, is the gtk-2.0/ part normal? expected? something to be fixed on the debian end or the programmers end? |
| 02:10.33 | scanf | http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=howto |
| 02:10.39 | scanf | "You?ve followed a link to a topic that doesn?t exist yet." |
| 02:11.19 | OptimusPrime | jelly-home, should i get konqueror then, or is there another task-specific app that ican get? |
| 02:11.53 | jelly-home | OptimusPrime: I don't have xffm, just thunar (using testing/unstable), so can't help you there. I'd try konqueror or that gnome fm (nautilus?). |
| 02:12.12 | mick_linux | i'm even debating using IDE - since the SATA stuff may be too much |
| 02:14.54 | ahlfors | mick_linux, like i said, nearly all motherboard integrated controllers are supported |
| 02:15.11 | OptimusPrime | jelly-home, nautilus can do it :) thanks |
| 02:15.29 | mick_linux | i already have a computer though ;) |
| 02:15.45 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chem@c220-237-42-66.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 02:16.56 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 02:21.17 | *** join/#debian lordnazgul (n=lordnazg@c-71-201-35-214.hsd1.il.comcast.net) |
| 02:21.25 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craig@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 02:21.27 | ahlfors | mick_linux, I heard from some people on arstechnica that promise tx2 works fine. That's a 2-port pci controller |
| 02:22.02 | lordnazgul | any idea idea why disks would show up in /proc/scsi/aic7xxx but not in /proc/scsi/scsi? |
| 02:22.07 | ahlfors | again, it's promise to beware |
| 02:22.15 | *** join/#debian ken29147 (n=chatzill@222.92.109.226) |
| 02:22.15 | ahlfors | s/to/so/ |
| 02:23.54 | abrotman | lordnazgul: not supposed to ... afaik |
| 02:25.12 | lordnazgul | abrotman there are 3 hdds a cd and a tape on the bus. all show up in /proc/scsi/aic7xxx and all but 2 of the hdds show up in /proc/scsi/scsi |
| 02:25.27 | abrotman | hot spare ? |
| 02:25.45 | lordnazgul | abrotman also the 2 disks that are not showing up are also not showing up in partitioner in installer |
| 02:26.01 | abrotman | isn't it a hardware RAID controller ? |
| 02:26.13 | lordnazgul | abrotman nope no raid just a pci scsi adapter |
| 02:26.23 | ahlfors | aic7xxx is a generic pci scsi HBA |
| 02:26.29 | abrotman | lordnazgul: do they show up in the SCSI bios ? |
| 02:26.54 | lordnazgul | abrotman yep and yes its an adaptec aha2940 adapter no RAID |
| 02:27.54 | *** part/#debian trym (n=trym@ws001.oslo.skaargroup.no) |
| 02:28.37 | abrotman | lordnazgul: more than likely .. the driver isn't loaded |
| 02:29.23 | *** join/#debian Yarou (i=himurake@ool-44c1867b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:29.34 | lordnazgul | abrotman. i dont know what you mean. they are all on the same bus and aic7xxx is the correct module for this card |
| 02:29.43 | *** part/#debian Yarou (i=himurake@ool-44c1867b.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 02:29.58 | abrotman | lordnazgul: dmesg say anything? |
| 02:30.08 | *** join/#debian relaxed (n=relaxed@unaffiliated/relaxed) |
| 02:33.54 | *** join/#debian x|e (n=r@24.229.230.85.res-cmts.wbh.ptd.net) |
| 02:35.57 | *** join/#debian gimmulf_ (n=gmf@81-236-20-210-no39.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 02:36.05 | lordnazgul | in syslog im getting parity error detected in Data-in phase |
| 02:37.33 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: is any of the slower devices (tape or cd) in use when that error happens? |
| 02:38.01 | lordnazgul | well the cdrom is on the same bus (im in the installer) |
| 02:38.19 | lordnazgul | but it does it on id0 and id2 but not id1 |
| 02:38.39 | abrotman | tried another kernel ? |
| 02:38.54 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: btw just to make sure is the bus properly terminated? |
| 02:39.06 | lordnazgul | its the installer kernel |
| 02:39.29 | abrotman | sarge installer has more than one kernel |
| 02:39.43 | lordnazgul | jelly cant blame you for asking, but yes there is a terminator on the end of the cable |
| 02:41.35 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 02:42.19 | *** join/#debian oiad (n=Fabian@p508F9F4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 02:42.32 | *** join/#debian Mahdi_ (n=mahdi@201.78.13.96) |
| 02:42.44 | Lakez | something is weird, my sdd wasn't being detected.. on a softboot... power cycle, it was being detected.. weird |
| 02:43.10 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-164-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 02:43.33 | roflmayonaize | i made my share on the linux computer /home/me and i can access it via windows, but i cant write on the share, even though i set writeable = yes |
| 02:43.36 | Mahdi_ | hi, could anybody help me with apache2? It doesnt show index.php or index.htm automatically when smbd enters its dirs! what could b wrong? |
| 02:43.51 | roflmayonaize | what might i be missing from the smb.conf configuration settings |
| 02:43.53 | *** join/#debian gimmulf__ (n=gmf@81-231-85-210-no39.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 02:44.00 | ahlfors | roflmayonaize, did you restart samba after changing the smb.conf? |
| 02:44.04 | roflmayonaize | yes |
| 02:44.33 | *** join/#debian mfrisch (n=mfrisch@cpe-65-27-190-157.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 02:44.48 | *** join/#debian jesseman_ (n=jesse@c-68-58-211-76.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 02:45.06 | *** join/#debian NemesisBLK (n=Menes@71-9-38-182.dhcp.wsco.ca.charter.com) |
| 02:45.17 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: still, I'd check the cabling and termination first. Maybe try and disconnect the tape device and see if that helps. The messages might turn out to be harmless too. |
| 02:47.57 | lordnazgul | jelly i went and pulled the drives and noticed that the two that didnt show up had term power enabled while the one that did show up didnt. pulled those jumpers we'll see what happend |
| 02:48.15 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-164-12.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 02:48.43 | abrotman | dpkg: be a SCSI barbie |
| 02:48.44 | dpkg | Aww, SCSI is HARD! Let's go shopping, abrotman |
| 02:48.48 | *** join/#debian konfuzed (n=Konf@H211.C18.B96.tor.eicat.ca) |
| 02:48.58 | lordnazgul | heh heh |
| 02:49.54 | *** join/#debian nicolas (n=nicolas@modemcable030.209-130-66.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 02:50.06 | *** join/#debian abchirk_ (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 02:50.33 | nicolas | hi all |
| 02:50.45 | abrotman | jelly-home: did you scare everyone off ? |
| 02:51.16 | lordnazgul | jelly nope that didnt do it |
| 02:51.24 | jelly-home | abrotman: everyone should be afraid of The Terminator |
| 02:52.07 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 02:53.07 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: well, disconnect all the unneeded devices (ie. all but the CD and the working HD) and see what happens. .-) |
| 02:53.47 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: if it stops complaining, then you know you have a scsi problem and not a software one. |
| 02:54.22 | roflmayonaize | ahlfors, nvm i got it working |
| 02:54.34 | roflmayonaize | what a more secure alternative to samba ? |
| 02:54.39 | roflmayonaize | sftp? |
| 02:55.27 | nicolas | roflmayonaize: nfs |
| 02:55.41 | nicolas | ftp is dead |
| 02:55.43 | abrotman | nfs is not more secure .. it's roughly the same as samba |
| 02:55.54 | abrotman | !shfs |
| 02:55.55 | dpkg | well, shfs is http://shfs.sourceforge.net/ "Mount ANY dir from ANY host in the SECURE way"SHFS is a simple and easy to use Linux kernel (2.4+) module which allows you to mount remote filesystems using plain shell (ssh/rsh) connection. It supports some nice features like number of different caches for access speedup, target system optimisations, etc. |
| 02:55.55 | nicolas | abrotman: well its just better |
| 02:56.01 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: also try the 2.6 kernel as suggested. Although that sounds like an old controller (not something like 2940AU or 2940U2B but plain 2940?), there's a small possibility that the drivers in 2.4.27 are maybe buggy. |
| 02:56.13 | abrotman | nicolas: not really |
| 02:56.15 | jelly-home | abrotman: what about nfs4? |
| 02:56.18 | nicolas | oh |
| 02:56.23 | nicolas | never heard of shfs |
| 02:56.31 | *** join/#debian ChrisBradley (n=ChrisBra@unaffiliated/chrisbradley) |
| 02:56.32 | abrotman | jelly-home: better than nfs3 .. that's for damn sure :) |
| 02:56.49 | *** join/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE0050ba71c82f-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 02:57.02 | nicolas | but shfs must be slower than nfs since it use ssh ? |
| 02:57.03 | *** join/#debian Rooster1a3 (n=Buttman@S0106000629d04817.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 02:57.11 | abrotman | he didn't ask for faster |
| 02:57.20 | nicolas | ok |
| 02:57.31 | nicolas | abrotman: for a secured lan you suggest nfs ? |
| 02:57.45 | nicolas | i mean, inside a secured lan |
| 02:57.48 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: I'd bet on scsi though. Especially if this hardware setup was just built from various old junk^H^H^H^Hequipment and not tested before. |
| 02:57.49 | abrotman | no i didn't |
| 02:58.14 | nicolas | i was just asking |
| 02:58.16 | roflmayonaize | shfs sounds interesting |
| 02:58.20 | abrotman | you suggested nfs .. not me |
| 02:58.29 | *** join/#debian coredata (n=coredata@user-69-1-62-186.knology.net) |
| 02:58.31 | abrotman | nfs is fine if you want to use it .. use nfs4 if you must |
| 02:58.41 | abrotman | cifs works just fine .. nothing really wrong with it |
| 02:58.44 | nicolas | abrotman: what do you suggest for use inside a secured lan ? |
| 02:58.50 | lordnazgul | jelly it only complained when it was probing those two ids (taking out the tape drive changed nothing, and taking out the drives did stop the complaining in syslog) using the 2.6 kernel didnt change anything |
| 02:58.51 | jelly-home | abrotman: cifs is slower than nfs. |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | nicolas: there are other factors ... |
| 02:59.03 | nicolas | abrotman: i only want speed |
| 02:59.03 | abrotman | jelly-home: but it's not *slow* |
| 02:59.05 | *** join/#debian Illarane (n=ben@pdpc/supporter/student/Veratien) |
| 02:59.08 | abrotman | nicolas: netcat |
| 02:59.13 | ahlfors | If you want windows interoperability, the decision is made for you |
| 02:59.14 | nicolas | hrm |
| 02:59.16 | abrotman | !ftpfs |
| 02:59.17 | dpkg | a virtual filesystem for transparent FTP access. 'apt-get install ftpfs-src ftpfs-utils' |
| 02:59.20 | nicolas | !netcat |
| 02:59.21 | dpkg | methinks netcat is a neat little networking toolkit, or a must-have (http://www.l0pht.com/~weld/netcat/), or a great MUA... no, really. try "nc" if you want the other netcat thingy |
| 02:59.25 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 02:59.38 | abrotman | nicolas: probably nfs then for you .. but the win32 nfs client isn't so hot |
| 02:59.46 | *** join/#debian solars (n=Johnny@chello080109141057.tirol.surfer.at) |
| 02:59.54 | nicolas | can it act transparently through the filesystem? |
| 03:00.01 | abrotman | it? |
| 03:00.03 | nicolas | i mean, can i mount it ? |
| 03:00.04 | jelly-home | abrotman: well, between 11-12MB/s and 6-9, I use nfs. I get almost theoretical speed with it, and never that much with samba. |
| 03:00.07 | nicolas | netcat |
| 03:00.25 | lordnazgul | jelly what irks me is that it shows up in the adapter, and tests ok, even shows up in the adapters /proc file but not in the scsi /proc file |
| 03:00.27 | abrotman | nicolas: i was joking about netcat |
| 03:00.34 | nicolas | ok:P |
| 03:00.39 | abrotman | jelly-home: but it's not *slow* .. it will work just fine |
| 03:01.03 | lordnazgul | jelly guess i have to assume its a scsi problem and troubleshoot it the hard way |
| 03:01.11 | abrotman | ask #hardware maybe |
| 03:01.52 | nicolas | what if i have no need of windows compatibility and only want speed and transparency inside a secured lan ? |
| 03:01.57 | abrotman | nfs! |
| 03:02.03 | abrotman | i said that already |
| 03:02.10 | nicolas | great |
| 03:02.12 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: adapter probes the hw on really slow speeds, I think. Trying to actually use it might fail if there're cabling problems. |
| 03:02.20 | nicolas | ive made the right choice |
| 03:02.25 | nicolas | thx |
| 03:02.26 | abrotman | jelly-home: spin up delay maybe ? |
| 03:02.42 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: I think the adapter should just drop the speed though. |
| 03:03.19 | *** join/#debian TasteOfDeath (n=tod@i5387483C.versanet.de) |
| 03:03.46 | lordnazgul | yeah they are showing up at 40 m/s in the /proc/scsi/aic7xxx file that leads me to believe that the adapter is dropping the speed |
| 03:04.02 | abrotman | lordnazgul: what size HDDs are they ? |
| 03:04.12 | sparr | I am trying to compile things that are doing '#include "foo/bar.h"', but debian keeps bar.h in /usr/include/foo-2.0/foo/, and /usr/include/foo-2.0 isnt on my include path. is there some normal way to resolve that? |
| 03:04.13 | abrotman | and how big is the HDD the installer sees ? |
| 03:04.14 | *** join/#debian zam (n=zam@196.218.38.152) |
| 03:04.28 | abrotman | sparr: fix your gtk stuff |
| 03:04.41 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: 40 MB/s is Ultra scsi speed. That's the maximum on the original 2940 I think. |
| 03:04.49 | *** join/#debian inzion (n=inzion@82.197.162.58) |
| 03:04.54 | lordnazgul | abrotman small 2x9.1 and 1x2.1 the one that gets picked up is a 9.1 |
| 03:04.59 | *** join/#debian syntaxx (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 03:05.09 | sparr | abrotman: fix in what way? notably, gimp tries to include gtk/gtk.h but debian has gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h, and gdk tries to include cairo.h but debian has cairo/cairo.h |
| 03:05.11 | abrotman | tried reearranging them ? |
| 03:05.28 | abrotman | sparr: it should have no problem with that |
| 03:05.28 | *** join/#debian maelztrom (i=nobody@tunnel1.cotse.net) |
| 03:05.38 | lordnazgul | yeah, trying another cable i cannibalzed from a running machine now |
| 03:05.44 | abrotman | sparr: i compile gtk stuff all the time |
| 03:05.51 | abrotman | and mine are the same way |
| 03:05.52 | sparr | abrotman: how could it not have a problem? "gtk/gtk.h" refers to /usr/include/gtk/gtk.h, not /usr/include/gtk-2.0/gtk/gtk.h |
| 03:06.04 | sparr | unless /usr/include/gtk-2.0 is on the include list |
| 03:06.07 | abrotman | sparr: what's the error from ./configure ? |
| 03:06.26 | *** join/#debian nokrev_ (n=nokrev@adsl-70-253-223-102.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 03:06.34 | jelly-home | lordnazgul: try numbering the ids in increasing order on the bus (looking from the controller end). Won't hurt in any case. |
| 03:06.35 | Covener | sparr: pkg-config or xxx-config should handle those prefixes, your build is busted |
| 03:06.50 | *** join/#debian Rusty1 (n=Rusty1@cpe-72-226-105-88.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 03:06.57 | abrotman | see! |
| 03:07.33 | sparr | Covener: the gimp build process doesnt use gtk-config |
| 03:07.34 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 03:07.39 | nicolas | hahaha |
| 03:07.42 | abrotman | no .. pkg-config |
| 03:07.47 | abrotman | gtk-config is gtk1.x |
| 03:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper |
| 03:08.05 | sparr | ok, whats the gtk 2.0 package name for pkg-config? |
| 03:08.14 | abrotman | pkg-config should be installed already |
| 03:08.18 | sparr | it is |
| 03:08.42 | Covener | sparr: you can list the available packages |
| 03:09.07 | abrotman | oh .. is this where the man page is useful ? |
| 03:09.52 | sparr | the gtk+ package seems to be 1.2 as well |
| 03:09.55 | nicolas | nice sarcasm |
| 03:10.03 | Covener | sparr: got build-deps for the package you're building? |
| 03:10.22 | Covener | sparr: or is that not sporting enough |
| 03:10.22 | sparr | when i try to do 'pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0' i get an error |
| 03:10.25 | sparr | Package xext was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 03:10.29 | abrotman | apt-get build-dep {packagename} |
| 03:10.38 | sparr | Package 'xext', required by 'GDK', not found |
| 03:11.01 | sparr | abrotman: since debian doesnt have packages, or source, for the gimp im trying to build, i am doubtful that the build dependencies will be accurate |
| 03:11.18 | abrotman | sparr: it'd be way better than what you're trying to do now |
| 03:11.56 | sparr | build-dep gimp only wants to install cdbs and patchutils |
| 03:12.12 | sparr | doesnt seem relevant to the problem at hand |
| 03:12.14 | abrotman | pkg-config should work for gtk2 libraries |
| 03:12.19 | Covener | works for me |
| 03:12.32 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 03:12.35 | sparr | i believe i have mentioned to you before that 'should' is a rather unhelpful term |
| 03:14.07 | *** join/#debian pickcoder (n=madmax@adsl-068-209-178-012.sip.ilm.bellsouth.net) |
| 03:14.12 | sparr | pkg-config for gtk+2.0 seems to want me to install xext |
| 03:14.49 | sparr | other than the package description, i have no idea what xext does, or why i need it |
| 03:15.06 | lunitik | !info xext |
| 03:15.25 | *** join/#debian dansushi (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:15.25 | sparr | Preparing to replace libxext-dev 6.9.0.dfsg.1-6 (using .../libxext-dev_1%3a1.0.1-2_i386.deb) |
| 03:15.29 | jelly-home | should be in xlibs-dev in sarge |
| 03:15.51 | jelly-home | ... nm, that's obviously not sarge |
| 03:16.22 | sparr | jelly: heh, etch is way too far behind on gimp for me, hence trying to compile it from cvs. i cant imagine what version is in sarge at this point |
| 03:16.36 | *** part/#debian bronze_|| (n=Lester@c-24-91-157-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:16.41 | sparr | ok, now pkg-config wants me to install xinerama |
| 03:16.44 | sparr | this is getting silly |
| 03:16.50 | *** join/#debian rgsteele_home_ (n=chatzill@c-69-136-254-198.hsd1.de.comcast.net) |
| 03:16.53 | abrotman | you could use gentoo instead ? |
| 03:16.57 | sparr | aye, i could |
| 03:17.08 | jelly-home | sparr: 2.2.13 in etch/unstable, 2.3.10 in experimental |
| 03:17.11 | lunitik | sparr: what version are you wanting? |
| 03:17.13 | *** join/#debian NetEcho (i=NetEcho@cable-24-139-12-18.kapuskasing.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 03:17.28 | sparr | jelly: hmm, 2.3.10 might actually be recent enough |
| 03:17.29 | lunitik | abrotman: haha... gentoo is less recent than etch :/ |
| 03:17.42 | abrotman | dunno .. don't use it |
| 03:17.46 | sparr | lunitik: i havent bothered to check |
| 03:17.56 | sparr | 2.3.x+ |
| 03:17.58 | jelly-home | sparr: or it might have nicer build-deps. ;-) |
| 03:18.08 | sparr | jelly: plausible |
| 03:18.30 | lunitik | !experimental |
| 03:18.30 | dpkg | experimental is the bloody edge of Debian Development. Packages here have been deemed unfit for release by the maintainer responsible for them. DO NOT INSTALL PACKAGES FROM EXPERIMENTAL WITHOUT KNOWING EXACTLY WHY AND WHAT YOU ARE DOING. #debian does not support experimental. for an actual description, see section 4.6.4.3 of the Developer's Reference, or http://packages.debian.org/experimental/ |
| 03:19.10 | sparr | installing xinerama to get pkg-config to work for gtk+-2.0 seems a bit extreme |
| 03:19.23 | abrotman | so does compiling gimp |
| 03:19.50 | lunitik | sparr: is there some recent feature you just have to have? |
| 03:20.08 | sparr | lunitik: the ones im working on adding right now :) |
| 03:20.12 | *** join/#debian inzion (n=inzion@82.197.162.58) |
| 03:20.21 | lunitik | sparr: ahh |
| 03:20.37 | sparr | i took a short vacation. i could build gimp last month, but now i cant. their codebase has advanced a little beyond whatever library versions i had on hand |
| 03:21.13 | abrotman | you might very well need to build those libs |
| 03:21.16 | pickcoder | sparr: are you using cvs? |
| 03:21.19 | sparr | pickcoder: yes |
| 03:21.32 | sparr | abrotman: im doubtful... i just need to figure out how my include paths got so borked |
| 03:21.45 | pickcoder | sparr: you are on your own even farther out than with experimental |
| 03:21.48 | pickcoder | :P |
| 03:22.00 | abrotman | sparr: you did it! |
| 03:22.06 | sparr | abrotman: multiple people say it 'just works' for them, which means that gtk-2.0/ is on their include path. probably provided by pkg-config |
| 03:22.22 | sparr | i guess i can install xinerama, see if pkg-config starts working |
| 03:22.32 | sparr | if it asks for some other random piece of software im going to explode |
| 03:23.14 | abrotman | shocking ... |
| 03:23.14 | pickcoder | sparr: if you are compiling from CVS, then what's the issue? You should be matching dependancies via CVS as well |
| 03:23.26 | sparr | pickcoder: i HAVE the dependencies, but the compiler cant find them |
| 03:23.28 | jelly-home | well, what does "pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0" say? |
| 03:23.43 | sparr | jelly: it said that i needed xext, which i installed. now it says i need xinerama |
| 03:23.50 | pickcoder | sparr: that's up to the Makefile |
| 03:24.02 | pickcoder | sparr: and possbily autoconf if it's in use |
| 03:24.07 | sparr | pickcoder: the configure script is where im failing right now |
| 03:24.11 | sparr | havent made it to the makefile yet :) |
| 03:24.14 | jelly-home | I see no penguins here. |
| 03:24.24 | zinx | sparr: you are, no doubt, missing the -dev packages |
| 03:24.27 | abrotman | sparr: give jelly-home his output |
| 03:24.41 | sparr | zinx: i dont see why i need packages for xinerama at all. but yes, -dev packages are what im missing |
| 03:24.52 | abrotman | are you serious? |
| 03:24.55 | sparr | pkg-config --cflags gtk+-2.0 |
| 03:24.55 | sparr | Package xi was not found in the pkg-config search path. |
| 03:24.55 | sparr | Perhaps you should add the directory containing `xi.pc' to the PKG_CONFIG_PATH environment variable |
| 03:24.55 | sparr | Package 'xi', required by 'GDK', not found |
| 03:24.55 | *** kick/#debian [sparr!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 03:24.56 | *** join/#debian sparr (i=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) |
| 03:24.56 | zinx | sparr: how else are you going to get the includes for xinerama? |
| 03:25.04 | sparr | thats where i am now |
| 03:25.06 | sparr | zinx: i dont think i need xinerama |
| 03:25.15 | sparr | zinx: afaik, gimp doesnt require it |
| 03:25.19 | jelly-home | that's pretty strange. |
| 03:25.22 | sparr | so now i need 'xi' |
| 03:25.25 | *** join/#debian tenzing_ (n=tenzin@202.144.158.193) |
| 03:25.33 | sparr | which ive never heard of, but im sure is yet another library with a -dev package |
| 03:25.38 | *** join/#debian inzion (n=inzion@82.197.162.58) |
| 03:25.49 | sparr | ive gotten that same error for xext and xinerama now. installed them, now it asks for xi |
| 03:26.12 | jelly-home | sparr: meh, just install build-deps for gtk2 and gdk and g*k ;-) |
| 03:26.42 | pickcoder | sparr: I don't understand. If you are getting sources directly from CVS then why do you need "packages" |
| 03:26.43 | *** join/#debian k-man (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 03:26.58 | sparr | pickcoder: i got the gimp source from cvs, not any of the other stuff |
| 03:27.16 | pickcoder | sparr: uh...ok |
| 03:27.33 | sparr | i dont even think gimp depends on the stuff im having to install right now |
| 03:28.01 | sparr | now i installed libxi-dev and libxi6, now pkg-config wants xrandr |
| 03:28.25 | zinx | sparr: stop bitchin about it |
| 03:28.44 | sparr | and now pkg-config works. or seems to. |
| 03:28.51 | *** join/#debian ken29147 (n=chatzill@222.92.109.226) |
| 03:29.31 | sparr | -DXTHREADS -I/usr/include/gtk-2.0 -I/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/include -I/usr/include/atk-1.0 -I/usr/include/cairo -I/usr/include/pango-1.0 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include |
| 03:29.40 | sparr | seems like that will solve the include problems i was having |
| 03:30.43 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-174-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 03:31.11 | *** join/#debian stoned (n=stoned@ip72-192-123-56.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 03:32.12 | *** join/#debian SubStack (n=queso@57-45.trans.uaf.edu) |
| 03:35.07 | *** join/#debian unreal_ (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 03:35.45 | *** join/#debian bsmntbombdood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-174-24.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 03:37.15 | *** join/#debian SeanTater_ (n=sean@cpe-069-132-052-158.carolina.res.rr.com) |
| 03:39.37 | craigevil | what does 2.3 GIMP have that 2.2.13 doesnt? |
| 03:41.03 | deadcat | craigevil: splash screen |
| 03:41.14 | *** join/#debian devicenull` (n=devicenu@RH-Redwood-CS1-140-80.njit.edu) |
| 03:41.14 | *** join/#debian bsmntbom1dood (n=gavin@ppp-70-247-173-187.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 03:41.16 | craigevil | lol |
| 03:41.22 | deadcat | (= |
| 03:41.26 | deadcat | i dont know |
| 03:41.43 | pickcoder | latest CVS maybe? |
| 03:41.44 | pickcoder | :P |
| 03:41.45 | craigevil | just wondering why sparr is going to all the trouble to get 2.3 when 2.2.13 works just fine |
| 03:41.59 | deadcat | ah |
| 03:42.53 | deadcat | ok.. how do i reload the latest nvidia module WITHOUT rebooting my machine? it seems like everytime i get a new .deb i have to reboot in order to get the nvidia working right. |
| 03:42.58 | *** join/#debian Nies (n=pep@84.121.7.89) |
| 03:43.05 | deadcat | i tried restarting the init.d scripts but no luck |
| 03:43.49 | deadcat | if i have compiz do i still use transset? or xcompmgr? |
| 03:44.18 | *** join/#debian jaxadmrl (i=davutz@207-255-47-031-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net) |
| 03:45.54 | Rusty1 | deadcat: ask over at #kanotix, might be someone there who can help |
| 03:46.07 | wols | deadcat: you stop X and unload the kernel module |
| 03:46.15 | deadcat | Rusty1: kanotix about what? |
| 03:46.25 | deadcat | wols: oh.. let me try that. |
| 03:47.32 | Rusty1 | deadcat: scripts for reloading nvidia modules and such - they do alot of that |
| 03:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 678] by debhelper |
| 03:50.21 | *** join/#debian k-man_ (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 03:55.22 | *** join/#debian kernel1983_ (n=chatzill@222.70.70.130) |
| 03:56.30 | deadcat | do i startx /usr/bin/compiz.real or just compiz.real from console? |
| 03:56.46 | *** join/#debian tminos (n=ben@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:31) |
| 03:57.16 | *** join/#debian dan_ (n=dan@c-66-30-178-166.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 03:57.20 | *** join/#debian Althaser (n=nufan@bl7-211-126.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 03:57.30 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 03:59.57 | *** join/#debian cb^ (n=cb@pD9E01DB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 04:01.51 | *** join/#debian bowens (n=ben@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:31) |
| 04:02.40 | *** join/#debian bsmntbom1dood (n=gavin@adsl-70-250-179-247.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 04:03.12 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 04:03.18 | *** join/#debian iswm (n=iswm@unaffiliated/iswm) |
| 04:04.00 | *** join/#debian zophyx (n=Emile@pdpc/supporter/student/zophyx) |
| 04:05.25 | *** join/#debian ApEtc (i=apetc@ip70-162-197-214.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 04:06.00 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 04:06.59 | *** join/#debian blijblijblij (n=rogier@57-154.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) |
| 04:09.20 | *** join/#debian w4rl0ck (i=hey@201.29.161.34) |
| 04:15.48 | OptimusPrime | i want to add the debian menu to nautilus's right click on the desktop, how to go about doing somting like that? |
| 04:16.21 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-145-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:17.00 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@156.12.180.133) |
| 04:17.06 | niles | hola |
| 04:17.21 | niles | any one know where to find accroread ? |
| 04:17.39 | *** join/#debian blujay (n=first@adsl-68-95-130-76.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 04:18.17 | niles | !accroread |
| 04:19.13 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 04:19.18 | niles | what happened to dpkg ? |
| 04:19.23 | niles | !accroread |
| 04:20.45 | *** join/#debian ice_1963 (n=gary@c-68-42-183-22.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) |
| 04:22.17 | craigevil | !acroread |
| 04:22.17 | dpkg | methinks acroread is Adobe Acrobat Reader for viewing and printing Adobe Portable Document Format (PDF) files. It also works well as a plugin for the glibc2 (libc6) version of Netscape 4.7x. Home Page: http://www.adobe.com/products/acrobat/readermain.html |
| 04:22.48 | *** join/#debian adsfasdf (n=aerosoul@dslb-084-056-241-248.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:24.11 | *** join/#debian mzilikazi (n=mzilikaz@70-32-151-128.clspco.adelphia.net) |
| 04:24.40 | mzilikazi | how to ask dpkg which pkgs are installed from a specific repo only? |
| 04:25.13 | OptimusPrime | i want to add the debian menu to nautilus's right click on the desktop, how to go about doing somting like that? |
| 04:25.28 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 04:26.50 | *** join/#debian |Slurpee| (n=ask@64.27.152.150) |
| 04:26.55 | *** join/#debian Joenin (n=nickel@82-41-140-89.cable.ubr03.glen.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 04:31.59 | niles | oh thats how you spell it. thanx craigevil |
| 04:35.42 | *** join/#debian jcreigh (n=jason@72-160-60-93.dyn.centurytel.net) |
| 04:36.07 | *** join/#debian khermans_ (n=khermans@c-65-96-153-89.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 04:39.26 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 04:39.54 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ecj97.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 04:41.18 | *** join/#debian Donkeybreath (n=james@c-67-189-113-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:41.19 | Donkeybreath | ~~~ Check out www.jpegtown.com for all your FREE image hosting needs ~~~ |
| 04:42.09 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@dslb-084-058-208-219.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 04:42.12 | *** part/#debian Donkeybreath (n=james@c-67-189-113-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:43.23 | lordnazgul | jelly, abrotman: I figured out my scsi problem. the port on the adapter was slightly damaged, forcing 2 pins in the same hole. bent the plactic back and voila. ARGHHHH!!!!! |
| 04:43.57 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 04:44.37 | FernandoMM | I'm trying to install nvidia driver on Debian Etch, but i always get nvidia-glx: Depends: nvidia-kernel-1.0.8774 but it is not installable when i try to finish with apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 04:44.43 | FernandoMM | could someone help me? |
| 04:45.14 | *** join/#debian owdondek_ (n=owdondek@220.70.26.46) |
| 04:45.32 | *** join/#debian Donkeybreath (n=james@c-67-189-113-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:45.37 | Donkeybreath | ~~~ Check out www.jpegtown.com for all your FREE image hosting needs ~~~ |
| 04:45.39 | *** part/#debian Donkeybreath (n=james@c-67-189-113-119.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 04:49.04 | *** join/#debian beardy (n=beardy@unaffiliated/beardy) |
| 04:50.10 | *** join/#debian owdondek (n=owdondek@211.63.209.44) |
| 04:50.58 | FernandoMM | Which one is the right/fast way to install nvidia driver on Debian Etch? |
| 04:51.05 | sid | !ops Donkeybreath has joined/spammed/parted twice now.(4 minute intervals?) |
| 04:51.06 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: sid complains about: Donkeybreath has joined/spammed/parted twice now.(4 minute intervals?) |
| 04:51.19 | LoRez | klined |
| 04:51.28 | sid | !tell FernandoMM about nvidia-one-liner |
| 04:51.51 | sid | !tell FernandoMM about nvidia one-liner |
| 04:52.08 | beardy | And what are you doing? |
| 04:52.18 | sid | wait, that won't work if there is a dependency problem. |
| 04:52.30 | sid | FernandoMM: Did you see the bug report from the bts on nvidia-glx? |
| 04:53.01 | FernandoMM | sid no |
| 04:53.10 | *** join/#debian anapivirtua (n=anapi@AMarseille-153-1-38-176.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 04:55.14 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@66.92.163.116) |
| 04:55.16 | sid | !telll FernandoMM about bts |
| 04:55.24 | *** join/#debian karrotx (n=steve@66.92.163.116) |
| 04:55.48 | sid | FernandoMM: You go to the website dpkg messaged you with, and you type into the search the name of the package you're having problems with. |
| 04:56.07 | sid | Then you read about any bugs with that packages, and comments from people who have fixes for the bug and that might help you. |
| 04:56.22 | *** join/#debian zoid (n=zoid@nr22-69-61-147-3.fuse.net) |
| 04:57.18 | FernandoMM | sid: i'm getting this (i don't know if you can help me) |
| 04:57.19 | FernandoMM | Build of the package nvidia-kernel-source failed! |
| 04:57.37 | wols | FernandoMM: there's more to that |
| 04:57.37 | FernandoMM | The rivafb driver conflicts with the NVIDIA driver, |
| 04:57.52 | wols | then don't load the rivafb driver |
| 04:58.01 | FernandoMM | how can i do this? |
| 04:58.04 | *** join/#debian SilverWolf (n=SilverWo@89.233.2.103) |
| 04:58.29 | tuv | FernandoMM, why are you building it? why not install the binary from sid? it works perfectly on etch |
| 04:58.33 | wols | by finding how where it's loaded and disabling it? |
| 04:58.52 | FernandoMM | tuv: where can i download it? |
| 04:58.59 | FernandoMM | wols: but do i need to recompile the kernel? |
| 04:59.14 | tuv | FernandoMM, hmm.. sorry. misread. where did you get nvidia-kernel-source from? |
| 04:59.15 | *** join/#debian ahewitt (n=ahewitt@203-59-205-194.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 04:59.21 | *** join/#debian Kage` (i=Kage@pool-141-153-89-110.clrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 04:59.28 | wols | FernandoMM: by checking if it's loaded via modprobe or not |
| 04:59.34 | wols | do you have a debian kernel or custom? |
| 04:59.38 | *** join/#debian Naz (n=Nazxul@c-67-166-61-132.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 04:59.52 | FernandoMM | wols: no |
| 05:00.01 | ahewitt | hey all...can anyone tell me how I can change the color theme in nvi? I have a black screen with white writing, which is fine I guess but I can't see the cursor |
| 05:00.02 | wols | no what? |
| 05:00.04 | FernandoMM | tuv from unstable repository? |
| 05:00.15 | FernandoMM | wols: ops, debian kernel |
| 05:00.18 | tuv | FernandoMM, good.. carry on then.. ignore me |
| 05:00.21 | tuv | :) |
| 05:01.13 | tuv | FernandoMM, edit your /etc/modules and remove rivafb from there |
| 05:01.38 | wols | tuv: don't handhold |
| 05:01.47 | wols | make him work for the solution or he'll never learn |
| 05:02.00 | tuv | hmm.. does modprobe -r remove things from /etc/moduels? |
| 05:02.04 | *** join/#debian MoDaXaS (i=okebnp@84.240.22.131) |
| 05:02.09 | FernandoMM | tuv: there is no rivafb there |
| 05:02.22 | tuv | good.. then you can work on the solution :) |
| 05:02.27 | FernandoMM | tuv: can you tell which one is the right kernel for athlon xp processors? |
| 05:02.38 | OptimusPrime | i want to add the debian menu to nautilus's right click on the desktop, how to go about doing somting like that? |
| 05:02.40 | wols | k7 |
| 05:03.05 | tuv | wols, don't tell him.. let him find out.. you're spoiling the guy |
| 05:03.22 | wols | tuv: this is a fact, and not debian related but hw |
| 05:03.32 | wols | nothing to learn here |
| 05:04.32 | tuv | if a module is not in /etc/modules and is not a driver that gets loaded by udev/hotplug..etc, who loads it? |
| 05:04.34 | wols | tuv: btw, with udev, hotplug and all that shit, /etc/modules is pretty much empty nowadays |
| 05:04.51 | tuv | wols, i don't think they load rivafb |
| 05:05.01 | tuv | wols, unless it's in the kernel boot line |
| 05:05.06 | wols | fbconsole or such |
| 05:05.22 | tuv | vesafb is compiled-in in debian kernels |
| 05:05.59 | sid | http://blog.kovyrin.net/2006/10/08/lighttpd-memcoder-flvtool-for-streaming/ |
| 05:06.17 | sid | nice, just stumbled upon that article. you can turn your debian box into a youtube site in a few minutes. |
| 05:06.25 | *** join/#debian yure (n=yure@dhcp-212-235-229-194.sd.uni-lj.si) |
| 05:06.45 | tuv | sid, hey.. even butter, the typo in the link does work! |
| 05:07.49 | tuv | btw, google acquired youtube |
| 05:07.58 | OptimusPrime | i thought those were rumors |
| 05:08.05 | OptimusPrime | meh |
| 05:08.26 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 05:09.07 | tuv | http://www.informationweek.com/internet/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=193200428 |
| 05:09.11 | sid | They basically got paid to acquire them. |
| 05:09.29 | sid | youtube is 1.25% of GOOG or something, and GOOG shot up like 5% afterwards. |
| 05:09.38 | sid | so for the short term, good move. heh |
| 05:10.03 | sid | !ot |
| 05:10.03 | dpkg | i heard ot is off topic |
| 05:10.48 | deadcat | so how do i start compiz from commandline? |
| 05:10.56 | tuv | OptimusPrime, what happened with you.. don't get scared of wols |
| 05:11.06 | *** join/#debian marcels (n=marcel@mstoop.xs4all.nl) |
| 05:11.09 | OptimusPrime | hmmm |
| 05:11.10 | sid | deadcat: some gconf command |
| 05:11.31 | sid | deadcat: You on gnome or kde? or no? |
| 05:11.36 | deadcat | sid: no |
| 05:11.42 | OptimusPrime | tuv: eh? |
| 05:12.12 | tuv | OptimusPrime, what? wasn't that loud enough? |
| 05:12.16 | sparr | <deadcat> craigevil: splash screen |
| 05:12.19 | sid | deadcat: It's like gconf --some_option & compiz --something; |
| 05:12.21 | sparr | and such a pretty splash screen it is |
| 05:12.34 | OptimusPrime | im confused. what are we talkinga bout |
| 05:12.36 | sid | deadcat: #ubuntu-xgl is probably helpful. |
| 05:12.48 | deadcat | sid: thanks.. so i dont type startx anymore eh? |
| 05:13.02 | tuv | OptimusPrime, did you get nvidia to work or not? |
| 05:13.10 | sid | deadcat: You can just switch to compiz while your window manager is running. iirc |
| 05:13.17 | OptimusPrime | i think you've got me mistaken for someone else, tuv :) |
| 05:13.28 | deadcat | sid: ah |
| 05:13.35 | tuv | OptimusPrime, hmm.. true |
| 05:13.45 | tuv | OptimusPrime, or just making a conversation :) |
| 05:13.45 | sid | deadcat: The guy at my lug uses gnome, and he had some tray icon he just hit a check box in the tray icon and it switched from metacityt to compiz |
| 05:14.00 | deadcat | sid: ah |
| 05:14.01 | tuv | FernandoMM, so what happened with you/ |
| 05:14.06 | tuv | ? |
| 05:14.14 | OptimusPrime | heh |
| 05:15.22 | sid | deadcat: not sure how helpful this is, but http://xgl.compiz.info/pool/main/g/gnome-compiz-manager/ |
| 05:15.22 | *** join/#debian inuyasharenegade (i=UPP@c-68-81-7-199.hsd1.de.comcast.net) |
| 05:15.22 | sid | I thought compiz only worked with gnome/kde. I didn't know you could use it with other stuff. |
| 05:15.22 | sid | heh, compiz with my ion3 yes! |
| 05:15.26 | tuv | OptimusPrime, you are not a social man.. :/ |
| 05:16.27 | FernandoMM | tuv: reinstalling debian :/ |
| 05:16.41 | tuv | FernandoMM, oops.. you never need to do that |
| 05:17.11 | FernandoMM | tuv could you tell where can i find the exact steps to install nvidia driver from a fresh debian install? |
| 05:17.20 | sid | I've been using sid on my laptop for a few years. It started to get bad because of all the cruft. and I was always messing around installing stuff testing things. And I was about to format... |
| 05:17.27 | tuv | FernandoMM, and that won't change the nvidia situation. you still have to work out |
| 05:17.37 | sid | Then I found debfoster, best damn program ever. I can't believe it took me so long to find that. |
| 05:17.49 | deadcat | sid: compiz+ion3 works? |
| 05:17.57 | sid | deadcat: no, I was joking |
| 05:18.01 | deadcat | sid: i figure i can just run compiz without kde/gnome. |
| 05:18.02 | tuv | FernandoMM, i'm not aware of a place like that, because things change too frequently for a web page to catch up |
| 05:18.02 | sid | You can't even move windows in ion3 |
| 05:18.17 | *** join/#debian secher (n=secher@pool-71-248-222-91.cmdnnj.east.verizon.net) |
| 05:18.21 | deadcat | sid: ya.. i dont think you can run 2 window managers at the same time. |
| 05:18.54 | *** join/#debian staargate (n=chatzill@209-6-132-82.c3-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 05:19.16 | sid | deadcat: Well I don't know much about our overlord desktop enviroments, but I always thought metacity was the window manager for gnome. and gnome was the enviroment(panel/menu/all the G* apps), so I guess you could run gnome/compiz(instead of metacity) then just not use the panel/menu/G* stuff |
| 05:19.56 | deadcat | sid: ya. so i figure i can just run compiz without gnome. since compiz IS a window manager |
| 05:19.57 | sid | deadcat: You can run two window managers at the same time(two X's) |
| 05:20.07 | sid | deadcat: I guess. not sure how |
| 05:20.11 | tuv | FernandoMM, basically: 1.get nvidia-kernel-source, nvidia-glx (and any other dependencies not available in etch) from unstable (aka sid), 2. install nvidia-kernel-source and its dependencies and install module-assistant, 3. run 'm-a a-i nvidia'. 4. install nvidia-glx. 5. update your xorg.conf |
| 05:20.14 | sid | deadcat: startx `which compiz` |
| 05:20.15 | sid | ? |
| 05:20.16 | staargate | anyone else getting checksum mismatches on linux-headers-2.6.17-2 2.6.17-9? |
| 05:20.27 | tuv | hey that could make a nice nvidia one-liner |
| 05:20.34 | deadcat | sid: its the compiz.real one. but all i see is black and a mouse cursor |
| 05:20.53 | FernandoMM | tuv: ok thanks |
| 05:20.54 | sid | deadcat: ati card? |
| 05:21.02 | sid | deadcat: aiglx or xgl? |
| 05:21.21 | staargate | maybe it's my crappy net connection corrupting stuff...damned rain! |
| 05:21.43 | deadcat | sid: no. nvidia, aiglx |
| 05:21.59 | sid | deadcat: I don't believe you can use "nvidia" with aiglx |
| 05:22.06 | sid | deadcat: You need xgl. |
| 05:22.35 | deadcat | sid: i HAVE the nvidia from experimental. it works. |
| 05:22.41 | sid | aiglx is for free(libre) drivers. so all intel graphics chipsets, the older ati cards(with working free drivers), and NO nvidia |
| 05:23.04 | sid | deadcat: nvidia from experimental? |
| 05:23.26 | sid | nvidia is proprietary, so I guess Nvidia Inc. fixed their drivers? |
| 05:23.50 | sid | "nv" is free from x.org; "nvidia" is non-free from Nvidia inc. |
| 05:24.02 | deadcat | sid: yes they did |
| 05:24.13 | sid | ahh, ok |
| 05:24.17 | FernandoMM | How can i reconfigure the keyboard layout (both console/X mode) ? |
| 05:24.22 | sid | So now all the nvidia folk can use aiglx. |
| 05:24.43 | jetscreamer | on my tnt1? |
| 05:25.04 | sid | deadcat: Most people use compiz with gnome, I would first try to get it working with gnome. then try to use just compiz |
| 05:25.20 | sid | If you can't get it to work with gnome, then it's probably not going to work with just compiz |
| 05:25.38 | *** join/#debian staargate_ (n=chatzill@209-6-132-82.c3-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 05:25.41 | deadcat | sid: nope.. gnome is NOT getting on this box. |
| 05:25.51 | *** join/#debian w4rl0ck_ (i=hey@201.29.155.183) |
| 05:26.07 | omry | can I use both php4 and php5 on the same machine? |
| 05:26.07 | sid | ahh, you don't have it installed. heh |
| 05:26.13 | sid | yea, I don't blame you. |
| 05:26.34 | sid | omry: not easily. it's quiet a pita I'm sure |
| 05:27.05 | omry | sid, I need to test something that requires php5, and I don't want to upgrade my whole site. |
| 05:27.10 | sid | omry: /join #php and they'll probably tell you better. It's probably even in their FAQ in their channel topic. |
| 05:27.24 | sid | !tell omry about debootstrap |
| 05:27.32 | sid | !tell omry about chroot |
| 05:27.52 | FernandoMM | omry: take a look at http://howtoforge.com/apache2_with_php5_and_php4 |
| 05:27.54 | omry | sid, you think I need a whole new system for that?? |
| 05:28.04 | omry | (simulated) |
| 05:28.17 | omry | FernandoMM, looking |
| 05:28.19 | sid | omry: That's the way I would do it. check out that link FernandoMM gave you maybe it's a better way. |
| 05:28.37 | sid | If it's a production machine, that's what I would do. I wouldn't put php4 and php5 of a production machine. |
| 05:29.05 | Tallu| | Hmm this is weird, half the time nickserv says my password is incorrect.. then half the time it works. :P |
| 05:29.39 | n3kl | !test |
| 05:29.40 | dpkg | Yes, n3kl, you're still online. |
| 05:29.43 | sid | Tallu|: You're probably pissing off hyperion services with that | |
| 05:29.44 | omry | Tallu|, maybe there is a synchronization problems between freenode machines. |
| 05:31.01 | Tallu | sid: yeah, that was it.. thanks |
| 05:33.02 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@p50894C7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:35.11 | jetscreamer | gnome is ok |
| 05:36.08 | *** join/#debian Deepa|AFK (i=deepa@abused.armchairs.be) |
| 05:39.56 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@c-71-236-250-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 05:39.58 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ebl198.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 05:40.54 | *** join/#debian Buddha (n=cb@pD9E01F34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 05:44.25 | deadcat | ok. i can see the cube in compiz. but it still black.. at least i know it works. (= |
| 05:45.43 | *** join/#debian Gumby (n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) |
| 05:47.32 | *** join/#debian staargate__ (n=chatzill@209-6-132-82.c3-0.wtr-ubr1.sbo-wtr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 05:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 672] by debhelper |
| 05:48.20 | *** join/#debian Piet (i=pietor@tor/regular/Piet) |
| 05:48.24 | jetscreamer | me i got the cube, but there was no window manager for windows, no titlebars and such |
| 05:48.56 | liable | start compiz in an xterm and see the errors |
| 05:49.18 | liable | there will be some missing buffered visual crap or somesuch :) |
| 05:49.51 | *** join/#debian nite613_ (n=chris@i216-58-80-207.cybersurf.com) |
| 05:50.22 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 05:50.31 | jetscreamer | where were you when i had it installed :) |
| 05:50.50 | jetscreamer | hell it's not even sid anymore :) (my box) |
| 05:50.57 | ma3x | what is it |
| 05:51.15 | jetscreamer | etch iirc |
| 05:51.35 | jetscreamer | think there's stil some sid left in it... or is that at work... |
| 05:51.41 | ma3x | and, do you feel better with etch? |
| 05:51.58 | jetscreamer | yeah that's work |
| 05:52.04 | jetscreamer | no etch is like, boring |
| 05:52.25 | jetscreamer | but i put it back on to escape the kwin/gnome fight |
| 05:52.33 | jetscreamer | (i think) |
| 05:53.18 | *** join/#debian silly_girl22 (n=chris@64-238-154-163.block1.gvtc.com) |
| 05:53.42 | omry | FernandoMM, sid, this sounds like what I want: http://hurring.com/howto/php4_and_php5/ |
| 05:53.42 | Hoxzer | Do you guys believe in faith? |
| 05:54.00 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 05:54.21 | jetscreamer | faith... she was wild in bed. |
| 05:54.41 | silly_girl22 | hi |
| 05:54.48 | jetscreamer | (actually i never met a woman named faith) |
| 05:55.19 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:55.19 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:55.22 | *** join/#debian rj-- (i=rj@gateway/web/cgi-irc/dawnshosting.com/x-21bf53e8ef865399) |
| 05:55.44 | *** join/#debian owdondek_ (n=owdondek@211.63.209.44) |
| 05:55.45 | *** join/#debian kreg_work (n=kreg@officefw.dcdi.net) |
| 05:57.38 | *** part/#debian rj-- (i=rj@gateway/web/cgi-irc/dawnshosting.com/x-21bf53e8ef865399) |
| 05:58.29 | *** join/#debian factorx (n=asdf@physalis.fernuni-hagen.de) |
| 05:58.48 | *** join/#debian rj__ (i=rj@gateway/web/cgi-irc/dawnshosting.com/x-21bf53e8ef865399) |
| 05:59.23 | *** part/#debian rj__ (i=rj@gateway/web/cgi-irc/dawnshosting.com/x-21bf53e8ef865399) |
| 06:01.04 | *** join/#debian skynet (n=skynet@69.92.127.179) |
| 06:01.47 | *** part/#debian skynet (n=skynet@69.92.127.179) |
| 06:03.16 | *** join/#debian tralala (n=joro@unaffiliated/tralala) |
| 06:06.55 | *** join/#debian dimi3 (n=dimi3@213.240.243.55) |
| 06:09.09 | *** join/#debian Dwonis (n=dwon@nat.dlitz.net) |
| 06:10.06 | *** join/#debian mick_home (n=mick@adsl-10-34-164.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:10.20 | *** join/#debian Tremitos (n=poopy@bzq-88-152-110-171.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 06:11.20 | *** join/#debian tenzing_ (n=tenzin@202.144.158.193) |
| 06:12.23 | *** join/#debian tengulre (n=tengulre@61.185.224.66) |
| 06:12.30 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:12.31 | dpkg | <scarynetworkguy> yea any book that has the phrase 'Pig-fisting' in it is gonna be good |
| 06:13.24 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=fireba11@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:15.08 | *** join/#debian luge (n=luge@c-67-164-202-33.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 06:15.40 | *** join/#debian wobbler (n=wayne@pdpc/supporter/active/wobbler) |
| 06:17.39 | *** join/#debian kneer0w (n=kneer0w@user-514c029c.l1.c5.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 06:17.54 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=fireba11@145.253.117.242) |
| 06:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 678] by debhelper |
| 06:18.50 | *** join/#debian __zen__ (n=Vincent@59.108.23.194) |
| 06:19.21 | *** join/#debian yaos (n=yaos@c-3d23e353.1632-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 06:20.14 | jetscreamer | !lart something |
| 06:20.49 | jetscreamer | !lart the move to oftc |
| 06:21.20 | liable | jetscreamer: the numbers are coming back up, and we have less trolls here. seems a win to me :) |
| 06:21.46 | streuner | jetscreamer: do you care not to abuse the bot too much? |
| 06:22.03 | liable | !abuse streuner |
| 06:22.08 | *** join/#debian joshmoore (n=josh@p213.54.190.180.tisdip.tiscali.de) |
| 06:22.19 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:22.26 | jetscreamer | i don't abuse the bot |
| 06:22.34 | Hoxzer | Hmmm |
| 06:22.36 | streuner | if you bored just read a book |
| 06:22.39 | liable | thats what they all say :P |
| 06:22.53 | Hoxzer | DAND |
| 06:22.56 | jetscreamer | i've read libraries. no joke. but i'm sick of reading. |
| 06:23.09 | liable | Hoxzer: ? |
| 06:23.20 | jetscreamer | mostly sci-fi though |
| 06:23.24 | Hoxzer | liable: I have this terrible will to fuck that girl school |
| 06:23.26 | sanmarcos | what does APIC error on CPU0 mean in my dmesg? |
| 06:23.48 | jetscreamer | probably means append noapic in your boot line |
| 06:23.48 | *** join/#debian zerodni (n=zerodni@c-71-203-223-183.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 06:23.52 | liable | Hoxzer: um, ok.. try and keep it to yourself. kthxbye |
| 06:24.00 | jetscreamer | or to the kernel line in menu.lst |
| 06:24.22 | liable | sanmarcos: i think the kernel log mentions this ? |
| 06:24.28 | jetscreamer | Hoxzer: so what, you're going to like drill a hole in the concrete wall and use that? |
| 06:24.52 | jetscreamer | have you always had this building fetish? |
| 06:25.01 | liable | lol |
| 06:25.11 | Hoxzer | jetscreamer: actually I was thinking about using things called "media files" |
| 06:25.14 | sanmarcos | liable: what is apic? |
| 06:25.15 | sanmarcos | !apic |
| 06:25.16 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 06:25.25 | *** part/#debian wobbler (n=wayne@pdpc/supporter/active/wobbler) |
| 06:25.26 | sanmarcos | in english? |
| 06:25.34 | liable | sanmarcos: part of the magic smoke in the box :) |
| 06:25.47 | jetscreamer | some setting in your bios that nobody ever lets you see |
| 06:25.56 | Hoxzer | also in finland there is this fucking annoying thing called "ircgalleria" where all girls put their pics |
| 06:25.59 | *** join/#debian javamaniac (n=gerardo@unaffiliated/javamaniac) |
| 06:26.05 | jetscreamer | some modded bios will let you though |
| 06:26.10 | sanmarcos | liable: but what does apic error on cpu mean? |
| 06:26.21 | jetscreamer | !lapic |
| 06:26.40 | liable | sanmarcos: i have never had it, so never really bothered to find out. other than you should try the noapic option :) |
| 06:26.44 | jetscreamer | how old is your box |
| 06:27.41 | wols | !apic |
| 06:27.41 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, apic is an Advanced Programmable Interrupt Controller (APIC) is a more intricate Programmable Interrupt Controller (PIC). It contains a magnitude more outputs and much more complex priority schemas. One of the best known APIC architectures, the Intel APIC Architecture, is now replacing the original 8259A PIC in newer x86 PCs. |
| 06:27.47 | jetscreamer | dpkg lapic is <reply> local apic. see also apic. |
| 06:27.47 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 06:27.48 | liable | dupe! |
| 06:28.12 | wols | liable: debian has no dupes |
| 06:28.31 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 06:28.37 | liable | wols: you just duped the factoid! |
| 06:28.49 | wols | lies! all lies! |
| 06:28.51 | *** part/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 06:28.55 | wols | sanmarcos: do you know what an IRQ is? |
| 06:29.00 | jetscreamer | you've all been duped. |
| 06:29.31 | wols | simplified: APIC gives you 8 more IRQ lines for the CPU |
| 06:29.37 | jetscreamer | so sanmarcos ... how old is your box |
| 06:29.41 | *** join/#debian damosu (n=damosu@unaffiliated/damosu) |
| 06:29.52 | jetscreamer | yeah you can have like irq200 |
| 06:29.56 | wols | or better yet: what cpu and what chopset do you have |
| 06:30.00 | liable | why whould you need that? |
| 06:30.10 | *** join/#debian Eulex (n=alex@h126n1fls34o998.telia.com) |
| 06:30.11 | wols | jetscreamer: don't talk BS |
| 06:30.16 | jetscreamer | i dunno but i see irq213 or so all the time |
| 06:30.24 | jetscreamer | it's not bs. |
| 06:30.28 | wols | liable: cause modern PCs with their peripherals need a shitload of IRQs |
| 06:30.34 | jetscreamer | it's observed behavior |
| 06:30.43 | wols | jetscreamer: you have a max of 24 IRQs IIRC |
| 06:30.45 | wols | not 200 |
| 06:30.56 | wols | then UNDERSTAND what you see before you comment please |
| 06:30.58 | jetscreamer | strange i guess my box can't count then. |
| 06:31.04 | liable | whats a magnititude of 10 between friends? |
| 06:31.25 | wols | original PC-AT had 16 |
| 06:31.30 | sid | What is an IRQ? Interrupt Request? What does it do/mean? |
| 06:31.50 | wols | sid: a way for peripherals to signal the CPU: look at me, I have data! |
| 06:31.52 | jetscreamer | it's how a card/other signals the cpu that it wants something (kinda) |
| 06:31.58 | *** join/#debian craigevil (n=craig@24-176-42-53.dhcp.klmz.mi.charter.com) |
| 06:32.02 | sid | thanks |
| 06:32.05 | streuner | !irq |
| 06:32.06 | dpkg | well, irq is (Interrupt request) This is a gateway for devices to request time from the processor to do their jobs. For instance, every time you hit a key on your keyboard an interrupt is generated on the keyboard IRQ. This is mainly only a concern for PC users. |
| 06:32.22 | jetscreamer | !botabuse |
| 06:32.22 | dpkg | lay off me you buggerererers!!11! |
| 06:32.34 | *** join/#debian usn_work (n=usn@p54932A9A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 06:32.37 | sid | !abuse |
| 06:32.37 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 06:33.19 | sid | !reiserfs |
| 06:33.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, reiserfs is a journaling filesystem with pretty good performance and some interesting features. See http://www.namesys.com. It is wonderful and everyone loves it, until the axe falls and they lose data due to a crash. As such, it has a lot of ex-fans who are now sadder but wiser. See ext3, xfs, or jfs for safer filesystems. like the Dharma Initiative: goverment-sponsered, highly scienctific and secretive. |
| 06:33.24 | liable | does other arches not have irq? or is that last sentence a joke or what? |
| 06:33.30 | sid | eh, buggererers |
| 06:34.36 | *** join/#debian funbun (n=funbun@180.Red-88-3-121.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 06:34.40 | funbun | hi |
| 06:34.51 | jetscreamer | ls /proc/irq |
| 06:34.54 | *** join/#debian niru (n=niru@203.129.255.178) |
| 06:35.58 | jetscreamer | i heard xfs needs a ups as well as reiser |
| 06:36.05 | jetscreamer | jfs has been good to me though |
| 06:36.07 | funbun | why would a kernel change screw up my network? with 2.6.16-2 everthing is ok, while with 2.6.18-1 and a custom 2.6.18 I can only access my LAN and Google (?!) |
| 06:36.07 | liable | meh, nothings perfect, it just a matter of degrees and tradeoffs i guess |
| 06:37.11 | liable | funbun: you can boot back into the .16 and all is good? |
| 06:37.25 | wols | streuner: I personally use reiser for quite some time (and xfs) |
| 06:37.26 | funbun | yeah, I'm with that one right now |
| 06:37.43 | wols | but: basically whenever there is a tradeoff between speed and security, reiser chooses speed everytime |
| 06:37.47 | jetscreamer | it 'looks' like solaris has irq's |
| 06:37.48 | streuner | wols: sounds good to me, next time i use reiser too! |
| 06:37.59 | jetscreamer | heh |
| 06:38.31 | wols | sometimes a bit too risky for my taste. like if it's true that reiser4 can have hash collisions and won't do anything to solve them and therefore loses data, I will pass |
| 06:38.39 | wols | it also has no defect management, etc |
| 06:39.00 | liable | i thought there was tools for it, no? |
| 06:39.17 | wols | afaik reiser3 has no defect management with bad blocks whatsoever |
| 06:39.21 | liable | funbun: explain a little better what you cant do |
| 06:39.30 | wols | the method to deal with them is rename the affected file to "bad" or something |
| 06:39.40 | wols | it also can't defrag which is kinda strange |
| 06:39.46 | *** join/#debian dewey (n=dewey@c-67-168-51-149.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 06:39.51 | liable | you sure about that? |
| 06:39.58 | wols | sure about what? |
| 06:40.21 | ma3x | why when I copy from a file into an existing file, there is no option to resume, but just to overwrite? |
| 06:40.31 | *** join/#debian xixor (n=dork@S01060013463f11a9.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 06:40.59 | wols | ma3x: cause the command is named copy not append |
| 06:41.05 | vulture | ma3x: copy with what? |
| 06:41.15 | vulture | if you wanted to append, you could just use cat .. |
| 06:41.22 | vulture | (& shell appending) |
| 06:41.37 | jetscreamer | yet another reiser joke http://geekz.co.uk/lovesraymond/archive/so-i-married-a-kernel-programmer |
| 06:41.39 | wols | d |
| 06:41.49 | xixor | yo |
| 06:42.25 | niru | vulture:I want that my repositroy should get updated as and when the debian repository gets updated |
| 06:42.29 | funbun | liable: if I boot a distro or custom .18 kernel: I can only stablish tcp connections with my LAN machines and VERY few sites (google.com and undeadly.org). With IRC, mail and other services it happens the same. Wiresharking I see the connections stall at the SYN ACK, no further info coming from servers |
| 06:42.46 | niru | That should be automatic |
| 06:42.54 | niru | What tool should I need to use |
| 06:43.08 | vulture | niru: could put an apt-get/aptitude update in a cron job.. |
| 06:43.13 | ma3x | so let's say file1 is 2 megabytes and file2 is 5 megabytes and both make 7, but they're split in two files because I couldn't copy them successfully. so how do I resume the copying, ie how to finish it? |
| 06:43.15 | wols | niru: you mean apt-get update or apt-get upgrade automation? |
| 06:43.26 | vulture | And a command to download all your debs too.. - but I wouldn't automate the actual upgrade. |
| 06:43.57 | vulture | ma3x: you mean how to you merge the two? (or as wols put it: append one to the other): use shell appending (>> in bash) |
| 06:44.02 | vulture | cat x >> y |
| 06:44.18 | ma3x | just that simple? |
| 06:44.30 | ma3x | that's cool |
| 06:44.45 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: pretty old, why |
| 06:44.50 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: what does apic error on cpu mean? |
| 06:45.19 | *** join/#debian Vitz (n=vituz@cable-63-135-11-204.sudbury.dyn.personainc.net) |
| 06:45.28 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: it probably means you have pic not apic. append noapic to your kernel line in /boot/grub/menu.list.. and that defoptions one. |
| 06:45.51 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 06:46.00 | niru | wols:yes |
| 06:46.05 | *** join/#debian kanedaddy (n=kanedadd@h70n3fls301o1039.telia.com) |
| 06:46.19 | ma3x | vulture: thank you |
| 06:46.28 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: ah, nice. what does "and taht defoptions one" mean? |
| 06:46.31 | ma3x | wols: thanks |
| 06:46.53 | jetscreamer | there's a line in menu.lst that says # defoptions |
| 06:47.02 | niru | vulture:where should I put apt-get update |
| 06:47.03 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: ok |
| 06:47.09 | jetscreamer | read the file, make a backup before you edit, blah blah... |
| 06:47.23 | *** join/#debian liable_ (n=liable@pdpc/supporter/active/liable) |
| 06:47.25 | jetscreamer | don't remove the # (as it says not to) |
| 06:47.26 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: so I should add noapic to defoptions? |
| 06:47.27 | niru | vulture:what for is buildd? |
| 06:47.54 | jetscreamer | sanmarcos: yes, and either add to the kernel lines, or run update-grub (or whatever it is) |
| 06:48.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper |
| 06:48.03 | OptimusPrime | how do i check what desktops have been drawn? |
| 06:48.18 | tuv | niru, what do you mean by your repository? local cache of packages or a mirror of a debian repository? |
| 06:49.09 | sanmarcos | jetscreamer: I have some custom things I added ie, splashimage, and entries for other os'es, will update-grub erase that? |
| 06:49.15 | liable | stupid connection |
| 06:49.19 | niru | I want to have a local cache of packages |
| 06:49.43 | vulture | niru: for what purpose? |
| 06:49.59 | niru | We are developing an OS |
| 06:50.02 | vulture | you already have a local cache of packages - every package you install with apt-get or aptitude gets cached on your system |
| 06:50.02 | liable | sanmarcos: not if you added it to defoptions. add noapic to kopt line |
| 06:50.06 | funbun | liable: did you read me? |
| 06:50.16 | liable | funbun: no, my connection died |
| 06:50.21 | tuv | niru, you do anyway, it's not optional. packages get downloaded to /var/cache/apt/archives/ before they're installed/upgraded |
| 06:50.24 | vulture | if you want to have a local _repository_ (that other clients could access, as you access the Debian mirrors) that's another thing, and there are ways to do that |
| 06:50.35 | funbun | liable: if I boot a distro or custom .18 kernel: I can only stablish tcp connections with my LAN machines and VERY few sites (google.com and undeadly.org). With IRC, mail and other services it happens the same. Wiresharking I see the connections stall at the SYN ACK, no further info coming from servers |
| 06:50.47 | sanmarcos | liable: this is confusing, ill just do it manually. |
| 06:50.51 | dtrump | Hi |
| 06:50.52 | Tremitos | Hello |
| 06:51.14 | liable | sanmarcos: not really, those lines just add the options when update-grub is run |
| 06:51.31 | tuv | niru, if you want all debian packages available in debian mirrors to be available locally, then you want a mirror |
| 06:51.33 | sanmarcos | liable: yeah, but my custom entires, will they be erased? |
| 06:51.42 | liable | funbun: hrm, i cant even begin to think where to start debugging that. |
| 06:51.49 | niru | tuv:I meant mirror |
| 06:51.50 | tuv | niru, two things that are totally different |
| 06:52.10 | niru | sorry I got confused with that |
| 06:52.17 | tuv | niru, you cache what you use, but mirror everything |
| 06:52.26 | funbun | liable: me neither. BTW I found a person with the same problem on slackware: http://www.linuxespanol.com/ftopic16631.php it's spanish, though |
| 06:52.32 | liable | sanmarcos: if you just added them to the kernel line, then when update-grub is run, it will not keep those options. though i am not sure what you mean by custom entries |
| 06:52.33 | niru | I want to have mirror |
| 06:52.38 | jetscreamer | funbun: works here. your box is just strange. |
| 06:52.48 | liable | funbun: checked bts for the kernel? |
| 06:52.55 | funbun | bts' |
| 06:52.57 | funbun | ? |
| 06:52.58 | jetscreamer | heh maybe you accidentally enabled selinux |
| 06:53.07 | niru | tuv:Actually we already have a mirror |
| 06:53.13 | niru | but what I need to know is |
| 06:53.16 | dtrump | you tell me ;) |
| 06:53.18 | Tremitos | I'll find out |
| 06:53.22 | funbun | nope, selinux is disabled |
| 06:53.27 | liable | funbun: bugs.debian.org |
| 06:53.31 | niru | that mirror is static |
| 06:53.34 | sanmarcos | liable: a boot thingy whatever the crap they call it, for windows |
| 06:53.51 | niru | there is no updates in that as and when debian packages are updating |
| 06:54.08 | liable | sanmarcos: a grub entry for windows shouldnt be touched |
| 06:54.11 | niru | Is there a way for updating my repository too with debian |
| 06:54.17 | sanmarcos | liable: ok, ill try it |
| 06:54.19 | liable | sanmarcos: paste the file please |
| 06:54.31 | *** join/#debian spo0nman (i=pankaj@nat/yahoo/x-ef5a4d47d0983051) |
| 06:54.53 | *** join/#debian sprink (n=sprink@242-41.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 06:55.03 | sanmarcos | liable: will do brother |
| 06:55.09 | niru | tuv:did you get my point? |
| 06:55.11 | tuv | niru, http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror |
| 06:55.17 | *** join/#debian __zen__ (n=Vincent@59.108.23.194) |
| 06:55.23 | *** join/#debian wtyler (n=wtyler@207.55.119.216) |
| 06:56.48 | sanmarcos | liable: I checked, it does remove my custom entires |
| 06:57.02 | sanmarcos | liable: is there a way to make it not do that? |
| 06:57.33 | liable | sanmarcos: let me see the file so i can see what entries you are talking about |
| 06:58.13 | jetscreamer | you add your custom entries to the defoptions line |
| 06:58.22 | jetscreamer | if you mean menu.lst |
| 06:58.36 | liable | or below the automagic bit for windows |
| 06:58.46 | sanmarcos | liable: title Windows Crap, boot, kernel, etc |
| 06:58.58 | liable | sanmarcos: just paste it |
| 06:59.01 | tuv | niru, you may want to read about 'push mirrors' on that page |
| 06:59.11 | niru | tuv:i even what to know if it is possible to update my mirror as well as compile that package to a suitable name and store in my repository |
| 06:59.12 | *** join/#debian row (n=row@plusnet.infidels.br0ke.me.uk) |
| 06:59.12 | *** join/#debian naranha (n=naranha@cable-191-7.iesy.net) |
| 06:59.27 | niru | tuv:I mean an tool for that? |
| 06:59.40 | jetscreamer | if you wanna make entire custom entries, put them at the bottom. if you want custom options in the debian automagical area, put them in defoptions. |
| 06:59.43 | sanmarcos | liable: http://en.pastebin.ca/198884 |
| 06:59.44 | *** join/#debian mick_home (n=mick@adsl-10-34-164.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 06:59.49 | wols | niru: compile? |
| 06:59.57 | *** join/#debian unreal (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 06:59.59 | tuv | niru, these are binary packages |
| 07:00.27 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@eby34.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:00.30 | liable | sanmarcos: put the windows bit below the automagic lines at the bottom |
| 07:00.35 | tuv | niru, your compiler will get angry :) |
| 07:00.36 | sanmarcos | liable: ok, |
| 07:00.49 | jetscreamer | under the ### END DEBIAN AUTOMAGIC KERNELS LIST part |
| 07:01.01 | niru | tuv:I have sources too |
| 07:01.10 | liable | sanmarcos: put the noapic bit on the kopt line |
| 07:01.13 | *** join/#debian administrator (i=administ@nat/cisco/x-c83b103d86ddcb99) |
| 07:01.17 | jetscreamer | he did |
| 07:01.22 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 07:01.30 | jetscreamer | no he did what i said, defoptions |
| 07:01.31 | *** join/#debian DGnome (i=dgnome@slashbox.net) |
| 07:01.32 | tuv | niru, people compile when they don't have a binary. you do have binaries |
| 07:01.37 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-b01ba9344fd59dd5) |
| 07:01.41 | liable | either is fine |
| 07:01.51 | sanmarcos | liable: that fixed it, Thank you sir. |
| 07:02.00 | liable | yw |
| 07:02.07 | niru | tuv:let me explain you |
| 07:02.14 | niru | I have taken a package |
| 07:02.22 | jetscreamer | yeah but the alternatives dont' get it from defoptions, but both do from kopt it seems |
| 07:02.23 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@gridtutorial15.ba.infn.it) |
| 07:02.38 | enouf | sanmarcos: what mobo are you using? |
| 07:02.40 | niru | I dont want to have the extension as sarg1.deb or .sarge1.dsc |
| 07:02.49 | niru | I want to have a name of my interest |
| 07:02.58 | DGnome | Hi! Where can I find a Xen patch against a somewhat recent kernel? Xen-stuff in etch just crashes and breaks stuff so I'd like to start from scratch :) |
| 07:03.04 | niru | that I will be doing in the debian folder changlog file |
| 07:03.06 | *** join/#debian honkily (n=chatzill@210.76.114.170) |
| 07:03.32 | niru | For doing the same thing every time for a huge number of packages is difficult right? |
| 07:03.57 | sanmarcos | enouf: ASUS A7S333 why ? |
| 07:04.08 | niru | So I want a tool that will update the repository as well as compile it to the required package and store it |
| 07:04.14 | enouf | sanmarcos: ok ..hold a sec |
| 07:04.14 | tuv | niru, so basically you're recompiling all debian package to give them different names? |
| 07:04.23 | *** join/#debian Gumby (n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) |
| 07:04.27 | niru | tuv:exactly |
| 07:04.36 | niru | So what do you say |
| 07:05.03 | niru | How can I do both updation and compiling in a automated fashion |
| 07:05.08 | tuv | i say that's too much work for a simple thing. unfortunately i can't think of another solution |
| 07:05.29 | tuv | niru, i have no experience in dpkg build tools :( |
| 07:06.04 | niru | buildd ? |
| 07:06.11 | niru | What for is buildd? |
| 07:06.18 | niru | Is it for the same purpose |
| 07:06.33 | tuv | niru, i know it's doable. i don't know how because i never needed to do it |
| 07:06.49 | sanmarcos | enouf: what are you lookin for? |
| 07:07.08 | niru | tuv:whome can I contact in this regard |
| 07:07.31 | jetscreamer | he's probably checking your board for apic support |
| 07:07.33 | liable | sanmarcos: where on earth did you get that 2.6.15 kernel? |
| 07:07.44 | jetscreamer | .15? |
| 07:07.44 | enouf | sanmarcos: wanted to see how old it was and what I think it's settings should be available .. do you have an APIC [on|off] in your BIOS? .. |
| 07:07.55 | sanmarcos | liable: ohh the extraversion is custom |
| 07:08.02 | jetscreamer | linux turns apic on if it's set off in bios |
| 07:08.04 | sanmarcos | enouf: Id have to check |
| 07:08.27 | sanmarcos | liable: I was just testing, dont worry, heh :) I took it to match the extraver from another ubuntu box (although this is deb) |
| 07:08.30 | tuv | niru, try asking again here. if you can't get an answer it's probably better to use debian mailing lists.. there are plenty and there are a few for developers |
| 07:08.47 | liable | sanmarcos: just wondering. :) |
| 07:09.23 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@203.177.138.181) |
| 07:09.58 | tuv | niru, check out the sbuild package |
| 07:10.22 | niru | tuv:But was my explanation clear to you |
| 07:10.47 | niru | Ya buildd ,sbuild,wanna-build etc i am going through |
| 07:10.53 | tuv | niru, it could have been clearer and shosrter, but i get it now :) |
| 07:11.21 | niru | no next time when I ask the same what should i ask |
| 07:11.26 | *** join/#debian burrr (n=burrr@124.106.223.190) |
| 07:12.01 | *** part/#debian lowlevel (n=Stuart@CPE0050ba71c82f-CM000f9f7d6742.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:12.19 | *** join/#debian Other (n=b@adsl-69-234-130-131.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 07:12.28 | tuv | niru, 'how to build a binary debian repository from a source debian repository after minor modification?' is probably a good start |
| 07:12.35 | *** join/#debian pmv (n=pmv@210.5.103.193) |
| 07:12.51 | enouf | sanmarcos: as an aside : as jetscreamer and perhaps others eluded to -- if you want to keep ANY "kopts" settings (such as your 'quiet splash noapic' ) across all update-grub commands (for installing and using newer kerenls and such) .. you'd put this in menu.lst #kopts area using as editor--> #kopts=root=/dev/hda1 ro quiet splash noapic (be sure to leave in the '#') |
| 07:13.26 | pmv | good day. anyone here play around with 802.1q? |
| 07:13.29 | tuv | niru, this channel is mostly for users, so developer help might not be easy here |
| 07:13.30 | niru | ok |
| 07:13.37 | enouf | sanmarcos: can you pastebin your full dmesg output too? |
| 07:14.12 | pmv | good day. anyone here play around with 802.1q? |
| 07:14.32 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 07:15.01 | niru | for getting developers help which cannel is good |
| 07:15.50 | *** join/#debian g333k (n=Gonzalo@201.230.176.151) |
| 07:15.56 | pmv | 802.1q -- vlans |
| 07:16.26 | enouf | sanmarcos: heh : or alter it accordingly to your 2.6.16 kernel entries (I just noticed them way down beneath Xpoop entries) |
| 07:17.40 | pmv | Linux has 802.1q capability, yeah, I konw |
| 07:17.42 | *** join/#debian vegiVamp (n=demeersm@unimatrix.skynet.be) |
| 07:17.48 | pmv | but I'm trying to find a way to get a native interface to just ignore the tags |
| 07:17.51 | pmv | without having to rewrite the frame |
| 07:17.57 | pmv | which will just introduce more latency |
| 07:18.01 | liable | 802.1q? |
| 07:18.11 | pmv | yup |
| 07:18.14 | *** join/#debian asercamoyero (n=asercamo@87.216.172.234) |
| 07:18.16 | pmv | vlans |
| 07:18.18 | sanmarcos | enouf: APIC error on CPU0: 02(02) |
| 07:18.31 | liable | i thought they were working on n still? |
| 07:18.35 | enouf | sanmarcos: that's from dmesg? |
| 07:18.47 | sanmarcos | enouf: fixed the kopt. Will check APIC once I reboot. Why is it such a big deal, isnt there a kernel option to disable the warnings. and yes that is from dmesg, and I get it repeatedly |
| 07:18.49 | enouf | sanmarcos: if so .. pastebin your entire dmesg output |
| 07:18.52 | tuv | liable, that's 892.11 |
| 07:19.04 | pmv | liable: that's different |
| 07:19.06 | sanmarcos | enouf: you want a tail -n 50 ? |
| 07:19.10 | pmv | 802.1q vlans are old :-) |
| 07:19.17 | liable | right, i'll shut up then |
| 07:19.35 | pmv | anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:19.40 | tuv | liable, oops.. 802.11 i meant |
| 07:19.43 | sanmarcos | enouf: that is all the output, just that message is repeated |
| 07:19.46 | *** join/#debian rob (i=rob@freenode/staff/rob) |
| 07:19.47 | enouf | sanmarcos: NO .. Full output (I'm looking for ACPI info .. not APIC) and wondering whether you have it (APIC) enabled in the BIOS |
| 07:19.50 | *** join/#debian roxy_ (n=roxy_@machine219.bibu2.u-cergy.fr) |
| 07:20.20 | *** part/#debian honkily (n=chatzill@210.76.114.170) |
| 07:20.26 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=sep@217.17.211.51) |
| 07:20.34 | sanmarcos | enouf: well dmesg is filled with the apic crap, what is the other one, kern.log? |
| 07:20.36 | enouf | sanmarcos: You'll need to reboot to see if ANY of these settings mentioned wil take affect - or have any other effects |
| 07:21.02 | sanmarcos | enouf: ok, but is it a big deal I am getting these messages? |
| 07:21.05 | sanmarcos | is it critical or what? |
| 07:21.06 | enouf | sanmarcos: lemmee see apic crap then -- could also dmesg | grep ACPI |
| 07:21.52 | sanmarcos | enouf: dmesg | grep -i APIC| grep -v "APIC error on CPU0: 02(02)" |
| 07:21.52 | sanmarcos | enouf: nothing |
| 07:21.56 | *** join/#debian happy_broccoli (i=hperes@vex.dreamhost.com) |
| 07:21.58 | *** part/#debian happy_broccoli (i=hperes@vex.dreamhost.com) |
| 07:22.02 | enouf | sanmarcos: you're the one who started this :-) |
| 07:22.02 | enouf | sanmarcos: the mesages are bothering you .. and yes they do mean "something" |
| 07:22.05 | *** join/#debian Spec-[x] (n=dragonco@charon.devis.com) |
| 07:22.13 | enouf | sanmarcos: as in a properly functioning system |
| 07:22.37 | *** join/#debian Dunedan (n=Dunedan@p54B837A2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:22.39 | enouf | sanmarcos: look again at what I requested .. that's not it |
| 07:22.43 | *** join/#debian ukine (i=ukine@67-70.200-68.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 07:22.57 | enouf | !acpi |
| 07:22.58 | dpkg | acpi is probably Advanced Configuration and Power Interface -- a power management interface that gives more control to the BIOS, or horribly horribly broken. for suspend software check http://sourceforge.net/projects/swsusp/ , or "run this arbitrary code in ring 0", or http://acpi.sf.net/ |
| 07:23.05 | enouf | sanmarcos: ^^^ |
| 07:23.12 | sanmarcos | what do you want me to look at? |
| 07:23.22 | sanmarcos | I do have acpi enabled |
| 07:23.31 | *** join/#debian Talisker[w] (n=shai@CBL217-132-137-151.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 07:24.05 | *** join/#debian colbinator (n=colby@lanip-170-65.go180.net) |
| 07:24.06 | *** join/#debian k-man (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 07:24.20 | dimir | "If you want broccoli - shut up! What the hell is broccoli anyway?!" |
| 07:24.34 | *** join/#debian kyja (n=kyja@70-41-164-146.cust.wildblue.net) |
| 07:24.51 | enouf | sanmarcos: ok .. i give up <smacks head> |
| 07:24.58 | liable | a vegetable? |
| 07:24.58 | liable | a pretty bad one at that |
| 07:25.10 | *** join/#debian Maliuta (n=nikolai@kiev.lusan.id.au) |
| 07:25.12 | enouf | rutebega |
| 07:25.13 | cydork | eww broccoli ! |
| 07:25.17 | sanmarcos | enouf: I dont know what you want me to do, so |
| 07:25.21 | dimir | liable: there was this "Arnold's Pizza Shop" joke. |
| 07:25.21 | *** join/#debian colby|other (n=colby@lanip-170-65.go180.net) |
| 07:25.22 | enouf | vile weed! |
| 07:25.31 | *** join/#debian TkA (n=nerd@host81-159-51-53.range81-159.btcentralplus.com) |
| 07:25.36 | enouf | sanmarcos: scroll up .. I asked for entire dmesg |
| 07:25.37 | liable | dimir: fonzy!? |
| 07:25.40 | dimir | liable: if you like, I can get it for you. |
| 07:25.46 | sanmarcos | as long as my cpu doenst burst into flame, I could give a crap about APIC, I dont even know what it is. |
| 07:25.52 | liable | dimir: i would love a pizza |
| 07:25.57 | sanmarcos | enouf: dmesg is overloaded with the apic warning, you cant get to the head (booting) |
| 07:26.05 | dimir | liable: ye, me too. :-) |
| 07:26.06 | enouf | sanmarcos: ok .. another happy camper then .. no prob :-) |
| 07:26.14 | dimir | liable: not the Arnold's one, though. :-) |
| 07:26.45 | liable | dimir: 2/15 Norris st, on thin base, with chillis. thanks |
| 07:27.03 | *** join/#debian luge1 (n=luge@c-67-164-202-33.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 07:27.04 | dimir | liable: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/pizza.php |
| 07:27.11 | enouf | sanmarcos: If your system isn't configured properly (especially at the hardware level) .. you will have ALL sorts of funky issues with all sorts of apps/userland utils and such ... happy hellhole :-p |
| 07:27.42 | wireddd | anyone know what you have to do in order to get an xbox 360 to see ushare server? |
| 07:27.43 | *** join/#debian dasunt (n=dasunt@69.42.44.238) |
| 07:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper |
| 07:28.01 | sanmarcos | enouf: from the top http://en.pastebin.ca/198907 |
| 07:28.07 | enouf | weeeeee |
| 07:28.18 | dimir | liable: I found it on my disk |
| 07:28.53 | liable | omg, he kill you for pineapple! |
| 07:29.02 | dimir | liable: ye |
| 07:29.08 | liable | dimir: thats pretty good :) |
| 07:29.14 | dimir | hehe |
| 07:29.30 | liable | not hilarious, but funny |
| 07:29.41 | dimir | Ye, the guy is talented. :-) |
| 07:30.07 | liable | be better if the background laughs werent there |
| 07:30.24 | JohnDoh | hi, is there a way to switch off the USB power to a device i have umounted on sarge? |
| 07:30.25 | dimir | Absolutely. |
| 07:30.33 | liable | reminds me off a scottish pizza clip, lemme see if i can find it |
| 07:30.44 | *** join/#debian th0ger_ifa (n=th0ger]@pp29-254.phys.au.dk) |
| 07:31.54 | liable | http://stuartrobertsononline.com/?p=61 |
| 07:31.57 | th0ger_ifa | How can i do a recursive 'find'? |
| 07:31.58 | *** join/#debian absyrtus (n=absyrtus@Home04289.cluj.astral.ro) |
| 07:32.16 | *** part/#debian absyrtus (n=absyrtus@Home04289.cluj.astral.ro) |
| 07:32.43 | deadcat | can i run compiz without gnome/kde? |
| 07:32.52 | vin` | JohnDoh: ipod? |
| 07:32.54 | dimir | liable: Thanks, I'll check it at home, no audio at woik. ;-) |
| 07:32.57 | luge1 | what is a recursive find? |
| 07:33.27 | JohnDoh | noooo :p its an external (usb powered) disk |
| 07:33.28 | enouf | sanmarcos: that is one of the weirdest dmesgs I've ever seen (aside from evbug ones) .. anyway - you liely need a New IDE cable for IDE1 (hdc/hdd) .. go out and buy a 80wire/40pin UDMA 66/100/133 IDE cable |
| 07:33.39 | *** join/#debian Schalken (n=jesse@cor8-ppp560.mel.dsl.connect.net.au) |
| 07:33.57 | dimir | luge: find with no -maxdepth option? |
| 07:34.02 | *** join/#debian peerless (n=peerless@124-168-21-169.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 07:34.08 | sanmarcos | enouf: I am pretty sure the Hard drive is dying, or is it the IDE cable? |
| 07:34.09 | *** join/#debian Gavrila (n=Gavrila@213-140-16-182.fastres.net) |
| 07:34.32 | wireddd | is there any software that will let me stream things to my xbox 360 from linux |
| 07:34.41 | Schalken | Which of the "Desktop machine" and "Multi-user workstation" options has / as one partition and /home as another? |
| 07:34.41 | enouf | sanmarcos: wonderful .. time for some HDD manu diagnostics |
| 07:34.45 | *** join/#debian qwertz (n=qwertz@pD9533807.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:34.46 | liable | deadcat: yes. its a wm |
| 07:34.46 | sanmarcos | wireddd: you mean media? probably vlc, or even netcat |
| 07:34.46 | asercamoyero | goes to grab a coffee... what's mean GRAB? i am spanish and i dont know |
| 07:34.48 | *** join/#debian brain-xy (n=narf@dslb-084-056-174-089.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 07:34.51 | *** join/#debian k-man__ (n=jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net) |
| 07:34.52 | brain-xy | hello all |
| 07:34.59 | sanmarcos | enouf: ill run spinrite, else ill try a new cable |
| 07:35.00 | dasunt | I have a Dell Poweredge 4350 machine I picked up the other day. Has a funky raid card that seems to do hardware raid 5. Chipset is LSI 53c895/Intel i960. Might be a megaraid card. |
| 07:35.01 | asercamoyero | is that like HAVE? |
| 07:35.11 | dasunt | Default netinstall does not see the drives on this card. Suggestions? |
| 07:35.11 | sanmarcos | enouf: just so you now, samsung 8gb, 7 years old |
| 07:35.29 | deadcat | liable: how do i start it? i KNOW it works on my machine. i see all black. but when i ctl alt left mouse. i can see the cube moving.. |
| 07:35.29 | enouf | sanmarcos: no ... spinrite is a borked recovery type app .. don't use that - use the HDD manu doag |
| 07:35.30 | vin` | JohnDoh: try mounting it again, use eject instead of umount. |
| 07:35.32 | cydork | dasunt: which version of debian are you trying to install? |
| 07:35.33 | enouf | diag |
| 07:35.47 | deadcat | liable: sshonly.sytes.net/config/etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 07:35.50 | liable | deadcat: though you prolly need some gtk shits |
| 07:35.52 | dasunt | cydork: Sarge. |
| 07:36.05 | enouf | sanmarcos: understood ... then replace it (and backup 1st obviously) |
| 07:36.14 | deadcat | liable: i have gtk-window-decorator installed |
| 07:36.15 | dasunt | I'm half tempted to throw out the controller and go with software raid 5. :p |
| 07:36.17 | sanmarcos | enouf: hdd manu doag.. ok, never heard of it |
| 07:36.18 | JohnDoh | vin`: thanks i'll try it later |
| 07:36.19 | deadcat | liable: copmiz-gtk |
| 07:36.26 | cydork | dasunt: try etch then, or /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 07:36.29 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@edb66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 07:36.40 | asercamoyero | i have a footbal match at half hour more, i have to go out. bye! |
| 07:36.42 | asercamoyero | byte |
| 07:36.42 | enouf | sanmarcos: Samsungs HDD manufacturer's diagnostic tools |
| 07:36.44 | dasunt | Does etch have an install disk? |
| 07:36.50 | cydork | dasunt: yep |
| 07:36.56 | *** join/#debian SlayerXP (n=martin@gw-colt.fotango.com) |
| 07:37.00 | *** part/#debian asercamoyero (n=asercamo@87.216.172.234) |
| 07:37.01 | dasunt | Cool, I'll try that tomorrow then. |
| 07:37.01 | enouf | sanmarcos: HDD= Hard Disk Drive |
| 07:37.19 | sanmarcos | enouf: I am not that stupid, anyhow, thanks |
| 07:37.36 | enouf | sanmarcos: btw -- your ACPI looks ok |
| 07:37.36 | cydork | dasunt: the new beta 3 installer even has gui :P |
| 07:37.36 | dasunt | I probably don't want to do software raid on the primary logical drive, do I? |
| 07:37.36 | enouf | sanmarcos: ..heh |
| 07:37.37 | liable | deadcat: |
| 07:38.02 | enouf | sanmarcos: I never inferred anyhting like that ... |
| 07:38.20 | niru | tuv:what is this error |
| 07:38.21 | liable | deadcat: http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX#Running_compiz i caved and installed gnome, so i havent tried it otherwise, but no reason why it shouldnt work |
| 07:38.24 | niru | anonftpsync: line 150: lockfile: command not found |
| 07:38.33 | sanmarcos | enouf: of course not |
| 07:38.36 | deadcat | liable: (= |
| 07:38.43 | sanmarcos | enouf: anyhow, if I had more money I would buy more equipment |
| 07:39.01 | sanmarcos | enouf: its just that my boss is an S.O.B and very "quarterback" with the money, if you know what I mean |
| 07:39.03 | dasunt | Odd. |
| 07:39.08 | *** join/#debian sprink (n=sprink@242-41.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 07:39.21 | dasunt | According to this, the megaraid driver should support this card without a problem. |
| 07:39.26 | liable | deadcat: the gentoo wikis are prolly the best for real info (opposed to stupid ubuntu forum threads) |
| 07:39.37 | enouf | sanmarcos: once your HDD issues are resolved .. try removing your 'nolapic' option (reboot to test) -- if issues still try 'lapic' instead |
| 07:39.38 | *** join/#debian danIG (n=danIG@pD9E04F4E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:39.46 | deadcat | liable: ya. those ubuntu morons are morons.. |
| 07:39.48 | tuv | niru, you need to have 'lockfile' program in your path. probably not installed |
| 07:40.05 | Schalken | Which partitioning scheme separates the home and root partitions? |
| 07:40.19 | enouf | sanmarcos: don't forget to review your BIOS settings and Mobo manual |
| 07:40.29 | niru | apt-get install lockfile will do? |
| 07:40.32 | liable | deadcat: omg lol how do i run teh compizzle lol |
| 07:40.34 | sanmarcos | enouf: yeah, anyhow, the cpu is still working. My setup is very ghetto. you know, all tied up with scotch tape and stuff like that. Its the third world way, you improvise, you survive, you dont live. |
| 07:40.56 | liable | </ubuntu persona> :) |
| 07:41.29 | *** join/#debian pmv_ (n=pmv@210.5.103.184) |
| 07:41.46 | *** join/#debian streuner_ (i=foobar@p54A5FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:41.50 | enouf | sanmarcos: hehe .. I can understand .. my main system is comprised of all my internal HDDs and ODDs hanging outside the case .. for easy config :-) |
| 07:41.57 | liable | deadcat: or the freedesktop mailing list can give some clues too |
| 07:42.03 | *** join/#debian Scurz_ (n=sfantar@unaffiliated/scurz) |
| 07:42.07 | *** join/#debian desti (n=desti@p5092211E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:42.15 | enouf | sanmarcos: allows for better airflow and cooling as well :-p |
| 07:42.25 | *** join/#debian adil (n=sadrul@CPE000b6a5bd4b2-CM000a73a9223b.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 07:42.26 | deadcat | liable: thanks |
| 07:42.51 | *** part/#debian pmv_ (n=pmv@210.5.103.184) |
| 07:43.34 | *** join/#debian ram_w (i=Raphael_@nat/hp/x-1316409780b20ce1) |
| 07:43.51 | tuv | liable, i have lockfile from the procmail package! |
| 07:43.55 | Schalken | would you recommend installing the current etch on a production machine? |
| 07:44.03 | streuner_ | no |
| 07:44.04 | sanmarcos | enouf: I could run it wihtout the case, it odesnt make a difference. I used to worry about the temperature, but nothing ever happens, the processor fries at 90C. On hot days it goes up to 50, hell 60 maximum, but nothing ever happens so. The day something happens, well, then Ill go down the river and end it all, you know what I mean brother. |
| 07:44.14 | tuv | liable, sorry |
| 07:44.24 | tuv | niru, i have lockfile from the procmail package! |
| 07:44.27 | streuner_ | Schalken: use sarge/stable for production boxes |
| 07:44.29 | liable | tuv: um, take two laxatives and it will pass by morning |
| 07:44.40 | liable | :) |
| 07:45.50 | enouf | sanmarcos: hehe .. you will do no such thing! .. you will get better opportunities .. and more hopeful doors shall be presented to you for entry |
| 07:46.02 | Schalken | streuner_: does sarge have xorg7.1? |
| 07:46.14 | *** join/#debian patterson (n=patterso@c-24-4-108-66.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 07:46.15 | liable | no |
| 07:46.21 | sanmarcos | enouf: right |
| 07:46.22 | streuner_ | Schalken: why do you ask? |
| 07:46.43 | cydork | Schalken: sarge doesn't have xorg :P |
| 07:46.43 | Schalken | streuner_: because i want to play with aiglx :D |
| 07:47.13 | liable | not so long till etch is released |
| 07:47.16 | Schalken | cydork: does etch, then? |
| 07:47.34 | cydork | Schalken: not yet :) |
| 07:47.34 | niru | tuv:when I tried running http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync script I am getting the following message |
| 07:47.51 | niru | ERROR: Help, something weird happened |
| 07:47.51 | niru | mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 12 |
| 07:47.51 | niru | Rotated `//debian-mirror.log' at Thu Oct 12 13:20:51 IST 2006. |
| 07:48.06 | liable | cydork: etch has 7.1 |
| 07:48.19 | liable | not compiz yet though |
| 07:48.20 | Schalken | cydork: gr is there any way to get aiglx on debian? |
| 07:48.23 | tuv | niru, that doens't say what happened |
| 07:48.28 | *** join/#debian saintiss (n=saintiss@143.129.75.191) |
| 07:48.41 | cydork | liable: i guess i was sleeping then :P |
| 07:48.45 | tuv | niru, maybe look for what exitcode 12 means |
| 07:48.55 | Schalken | liable: do you mean etch has xorg7.1 in the repos or installed by default? |
| 07:48.58 | streuner_ | Schalken: read gravity's blog |
| 07:49.08 | tuv | niru, and look into the log file.. that's what log files are for |
| 07:49.24 | streuner_ | dpkg, info xserver-xorg etch |
| 07:49.27 | liable | Schalken: yes its in etch, but quite pointless without compiz, which will be there soon |
| 07:49.33 | dpkg | xserver-xorg: (the X.Org X server), section x11, is optional. Version: 1:7.0.22 (etch), Packaged size: 158 kB, Installed size: 576 kB |
| 07:49.36 | cydork | liable: no it doesnt |
| 07:50.09 | niru | tuv:log file shows ssh: ftp: Temporary failure in name resolution |
| 07:50.09 | niru | rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (0 bytes received so far) [receiver] |
| 07:50.09 | niru | rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(420) |
| 07:50.09 | niru | ERROR: Help, something weird happened |
| 07:50.09 | niru | mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 12 |
| 07:50.09 | *** kick/#debian [niru!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 07:50.24 | *** join/#debian peterrooney (n=peter@S0106001310a01647.gv.shawcable.net) |
| 07:50.29 | cydork | Schalken: it's only availabel in sid and you dont want to run that :) |
| 07:50.34 | liable | cydork: ok, i apoligise then |
| 07:50.53 | Schalken | cydork: sid=etch? |
| 07:51.02 | *** join/#debian prolific (n=prolific@66-215-157-30.dhcp.ccmn.ca.charter.com) |
| 07:51.07 | *** join/#debian foka (n=foka@61.149.5.253) |
| 07:51.21 | cydork | liable: but it will be soon that what rumers are .. |
| 07:51.24 | enouf | !policy |
| 07:51.24 | dpkg | policy is probably available at http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ - the manual that describes how debian packages should and must interact with the debian system. see best practices, or those who fail to understand Debian Policy are doomed to reimpliment it, poorly. |
| 07:51.31 | *** join/#debian niru (n=niru@203.129.255.178) |
| 07:51.50 | niru | tuv:RSYNC_HOST=ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 07:52.02 | niru | is this correct way o giving |
| 07:52.03 | liable | it will be there for release, i must have gotten confused somewhere along the way |
| 07:55.41 | enouf | sanmarcos: one last note -- your apic iussues seem to be related to your PCI IDE addin card(?) and the fact your tring to use dm-raid .. for whatever reason - .. |
| 07:57.04 | streuner_ | Schalken: /msg dpkg sid faq |
| 07:57.40 | Schalken | streuner_: i am not in debian |
| 07:57.51 | streuner_ | !tell Schalken about sid faq |
| 07:59.30 | streuner | Schalken: what distro do you use? |
| 07:59.47 | Schalken | streuner: at the moment, ubuntu |
| 08:00.14 | niru | Schalken:RSYNC_HOST=ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool |
| 08:00.26 | *** join/#debian blaamann (n=blaa@124.85-200-35.bkkb.no) |
| 08:00.38 | liable | Schalken: give it a month, then try an etch install, and hopefully you will get most the goodies |
| 08:00.40 | sanmarcos | enouf: huh? Id ont have a pci ide addin card, and I dont have raid |
| 08:00.41 | niru | This is what I gave in anonftpsync |
| 08:00.52 | blaamann | Is Debian Sarge using udev ? |
| 08:00.58 | niru | while gave sh anonftpsync |
| 08:01.07 | liable | blaamann: depends if you installed it |
| 08:01.10 | niru | sh anonftpsync |
| 08:01.11 | niru | ERROR: Help, something weird happened |
| 08:01.11 | niru | mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 12 |
| 08:01.11 | niru | Rotated `//debian-mirror.log' at Thu Oct 12 13:26:44 IST 2006. |
| 08:01.11 | *** kick/#debian [niru!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 08:01.21 | *** join/#debian war95 (n=war@iniquity.net) |
| 08:01.29 | blaamann | liable: Ok, I will take a look in synaptic |
| 08:01.37 | Schalken | liable: okay, so, will etch come with aiglx? |
| 08:01.47 | liable | Schalken: yes |
| 08:02.02 | Schalken | liable: does it (testing) at the moment? |
| 08:02.07 | sanmarcos | a hardware question, would it be a problem if I mix a CAS 2.5 latency ram with a CAS 2 latency dimm ? |
| 08:02.11 | sanmarcos | different brands? |
| 08:02.16 | liable | Schalken: not yet, prolly in a week or so |
| 08:02.28 | liable | Schalken: try #hardware |
| 08:02.29 | Schalken | liable: i see. |
| 08:02.31 | cydork | liable: in week?? |
| 08:02.31 | liable | sanmarcos: ^^ |
| 08:02.42 | sanmarcos | liable: dead channel |
| 08:03.01 | liable | cydork: etch is almost frozen, its going to releas with 7.1, so yes, soon |
| 08:03.42 | cydork | liable: hmm time for digging mailing lists :P |
| 08:03.49 | Schalken | liable: so what xserver does sarge come with? |
| 08:03.59 | liable | Schalken: xfree86 |
| 08:04.42 | Schalken | liable: so they're moving to xorg7.1? or is there an xfree86 version with aiglx? |
| 08:05.30 | liable | Schalken: um, yes, 7.1 no xfree supports aiglx |
| 08:05.30 | streuner | Schalken: don't expect that sarge/stable support aiglx |
| 08:05.56 | Schalken | streuner: yes, we have established that. |
| 08:06.53 | streuner | Schalken: good :-) |
| 08:08.13 | Schalken | is there any stable distro with aiglx? |
| 08:08.55 | streuner | so you trying to install X on a production server and expecting it supports aiglx, right? |
| 08:09.25 | *** join/#debian efftee (n=hawk@212.117.84.121) |
| 08:10.41 | liable | Schalken: didnt you say you have ubuntu? it has the aiglx shinyness. stick with it till etch is released. if you cant get it to work in ubuntu, then.. |
| 08:11.46 | liable | wtf? on a server? did i miss something |
| 08:12.10 | Schalken | liable: ubuntu (dapper) has xorg7.0, so no aiglx. |
| 08:12.29 | jetscreamer | ubuntu loves you |
| 08:12.44 | streuner | Schalken: well, if you want something which is stable use sarge (without aiglx) |
| 08:12.51 | Schalken | jetscreamer: it would if it could |
| 08:12.54 | liable | Schalken: oh, well, if havent upraded ubuntu, then just wait |
| 08:13.27 | *** join/#debian locke (n=locke@12.17.176.148) |
| 08:13.48 | streuner | Schalken: we lived without aiglx a long time, so there is no need to hurry ;-) |
| 08:14.02 | *** join/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 08:14.13 | Schalken | streuner: lol i just wanna show off eyecandy goodness :D |
| 08:14.17 | *** join/#debian PumpkinPie (n=b@adsl-69-234-130-131.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 08:14.26 | Schalken | streuner: and it will give me no need to envy mac users anymore ;) |
| 08:14.33 | teledyn | anyone know if there's some new rc config system for debian? i notice new stuff at the begging of init scripts |
| 08:14.37 | *** join/#debian tictac_ (n=tictac@ip68-103-209-72.ks.ok.cox.net) |
| 08:15.25 | teledyn | s/begging/begining/ |
| 08:15.33 | *** join/#debian ChrisWhite|Work (n=chris@gentoo/developer/ChrisWhite) |
| 08:15.35 | *** join/#debian burrr73 (n=burrr@124.106.223.190) |
| 08:15.42 | liable | such as? |
| 08:15.57 | jetscreamer | rc.local |
| 08:16.13 | teledyn | ### BEGIN INIT INFO |
| 08:16.16 | jetscreamer | but it's at the end |
| 08:16.21 | *** join/#debian normend (n=chatzill@bb219-75-56-168.singnet.com.sg) |
| 08:16.21 | liable | there is the rc.local file, but thats the *last* thing you would see |
| 08:16.36 | teledyn | /etc/init.d/mysql for example |
| 08:17.07 | teledyn | kinda looks like what chkconfig uses in RH |
| 08:17.21 | teledyn | which would be really cool if debian implemented it |
| 08:18.21 | *** join/#debian Yamaraj (n=admin@59.94.43.185) |
| 08:18.27 | teledyn | maybe update-rc.d had its functionality expanded |
| 08:18.38 | cydork | teledyn: man invoke-rc.d |
| 08:19.05 | liable | teledyn: oh, are you just talking about the scripts themselves? |
| 08:19.41 | teledyn | cydork: that would only start|stop stuff. i think update-rc.d is the one that would manage them with the meta info from the rc files |
| 08:19.47 | liable | innitscripts has had several changes lately, try the changelog |
| 08:20.32 | cydork | teledyn: nm |
| 08:20.45 | cydork | teledyn: i forgot what chkconfig does :P |
| 08:21.02 | teledyn | chkconfig --level 2345 apache stop |
| 08:21.20 | cydork | teledyn: update-rc.d can do that. |
| 08:21.58 | teledyn | update-rc.d ?dm stop 99 1 2 3 4 5 6 |
| 08:22.09 | teledyn | yeah, its a little more complex syntax, but yes |
| 08:22.14 | luge1 | is it stop or off |
| 08:22.44 | *** join/#debian ikor (n=user@gw-swsoft2.ll-nsk.zsttk.ru) |
| 08:23.46 | teledyn | the new thing is the meta-info in the rc files: # Default-Start: 2 3 4 5 |
| 08:26.50 | *** join/#debian Xormic (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-183-114.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 08:27.44 | *** join/#debian Dianora (n=db@dsl82-163-65-90.as15444.net) |
| 08:28.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 686] by debhelper |
| 08:28.20 | liable | teledyn: this is debian right? not ubuntu? |
| 08:28.57 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 08:29.29 | teledyn | what is ubuntu? |
| 08:29.30 | cydork | teledyn: read the changelog as liable said. |
| 08:30.15 | streuner | !tell teledyn about ubuntu |
| 08:30.49 | teledyn | !please don't |
| 08:31.35 | liable | teledyn: what debian version are you using? and give me an example of one of the init scripts you're talking about |
| 08:31.58 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@edb66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 08:32.06 | *** join/#debian sanmarcos (n=sanmarco@unaffiliated/sanmarcos) |
| 08:32.07 | liable | teledyn: at this stage, i dont understand what you are talking about |
| 08:32.51 | cydork | liable: he is talking about the new LSB headers in the init scripts. |
| 08:33.07 | teledyn | yeah looks like new LSB coolness |
| 08:33.20 | cydork | liable: it's there in the changelog |
| 08:34.12 | teledyn | does anyone know if there's any plan to supercede the whole sysv runlevel thing with something better? |
| 08:34.29 | liable | right, not all scripts have it. |
| 08:34.49 | liable | cydork: for innitscripts? i browsed the changelog and missed that |
| 08:36.49 | liable | cydork: for which package? |
| 08:37.04 | teledyn | liable: which release are you running? |
| 08:37.18 | *** join/#debian niru (n=niru@203.129.255.178) |
| 08:37.35 | liable | teledyn: ubuntu are switching to another thing from init, i cant remember the name atm though |
| 08:37.44 | liable | teledyn: stable and unstable |
| 08:37.58 | teledyn | liable: check /etc/init.d/mysql in sid |
| 08:38.08 | cydork | liable: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4026 |
| 08:38.14 | liable | teledyn: yeah, its in a few other scripts. |
| 08:38.40 | teledyn | i remember at a debian conference a while ago this guy was talking about revamping the init system |
| 08:38.44 | liable | cydork: i was after the changelog that mentioned this |
| 08:39.13 | cydork | liable: oh sorry then :P but it's there in the changelog search for lsb headers |
| 08:39.17 | liable | cydork: innitscripts changelog doesnt, and sysvinit didnt either |
| 08:39.50 | teledyn | "* Add support for parsing LSB headers in update-rc.d, and use the" <- /usr/share/doc/initscripts/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 08:40.56 | liable | oh, thats a fairly old change |
| 08:42.20 | liable | teledyn: heh, what was the original question? |
| 08:44.01 | *** join/#debian l3m (n=l3m@130.60.156.223) |
| 08:44.20 | teledyn | um i figured it out now |
| 08:45.00 | fireba11 | question: whyt might cause network on etch to not come up on boot, ifup eth0 gets it working and it worked a couple weeks and updates bevore ? |
| 08:45.46 | wols | fireba11: check /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:46.09 | teledyn | fireba11: is it set to "auto" in /etc/network/interfaces ? |
| 08:46.58 | wols | hmm.. ext4 in 2.6.19, why? |
| 08:48.01 | fireba11 | teledyn: hm .. no ^^ |
| 08:48.21 | teledyn | fireba11: man interfaces and read about inserting the line with auto |
| 08:48.26 | fireba11 | teledyn: does it need to now ? |
| 08:48.27 | fireba11 | okay |
| 08:48.30 | liable | wols: FS? |
| 08:49.18 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.154) |
| 08:49.25 | wols | yes |
| 08:49.53 | *** join/#debian danIG (n=danIG@pD9E04F4E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 08:50.12 | liable | wols: interesting, havent seen mention of it anywhere, would have thought it would make some sort of news.. |
| 08:50.39 | Rhizome | ext4? |
| 08:51.06 | niru | wols:in the anonftpsync script |
| 08:51.42 | teledyn | there was the article recently about suse switching from reiserfs to ext3, and the blog of that suse developer mentioned ext4 |
| 08:51.46 | niru | I gave RSYNC_HOST=http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full |
| 08:51.50 | liable | hrm, thats been kept quiet, there is indeed mentions of it in mailing lists |
| 08:52.13 | fireba11 | teledyn it's as allow-hotplug ... obviously ther eIS a difference :-) |
| 08:52.15 | niru | wols:when executing the script |
| 08:52.20 | niru | I got ERROR: Help, something weird happened |
| 08:52.23 | Rhizome | It wont be added to 2.6 though, probably 2.8 ;) |
| 08:52.34 | niru | mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 12 |
| 08:52.47 | teledyn | http://linux.wordpress.com/2006/09/27/suse-102-ditching-reiserfs-as-it-default-fs/ |
| 08:52.51 | sprink | http://lkml.org/lkml/2006/10/10/45 |
| 08:52.55 | *** join/#debian john_doe (n=philip@cpe.atm2-0-90518.0x50a4e526.boanxx8.customer.tele.dk) |
| 08:52.57 | niru | what is the reason |
| 08:53.41 | teledyn | good to know ext? is in active development and will continue to improve |
| 08:53.55 | Rhizome | yea |
| 08:55.37 | Rhizome | ok ext4 is added so they can developit sepparatly from ext3 |
| 08:56.25 | Xorm | !! |
| 08:56.26 | dpkg | I am not your damn csh prompt! |
| 08:56.30 | Xorm | another one? |
| 08:56.33 | Xorm | haha |
| 08:56.39 | Rhizome | !!!! |
| 08:56.39 | dpkg | "Multiple exclamation marks," he went on, shaking his head, "are a sure sign of a diseased mind." - Terry Pratchett, Eric |
| 08:56.45 | Rhizome | ;) |
| 08:57.10 | *** join/#debian __zen__ (n=Vincent@59.108.23.194) |
| 08:58.00 | *** join/#debian sciboy (n=sciboy@unaffiliated/sciboy) |
| 08:58.02 | *** join/#debian lewnidas_ (n=user@patr530b-0078.otenet.gr) |
| 08:58.18 | sciboy | Hey guys, how do i flush my dns in SID? |
| 08:58.19 | liable | niru: try #debian-mentors on oftc |
| 08:58.57 | *** join/#debian syntaxx (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 08:59.26 | *** join/#debian _kula (n=kuLa@87.239.57.25) |
| 08:59.52 | niru | ok |
| 08:59.58 | Rhizome | sciboy: do you have a dns cache? try restarting nscd |
| 09:00.08 | *** join/#debian sdrac8 (n=sdrac8@202.43.238.209) |
| 09:00.16 | *** join/#debian pngwn (i=pngwn@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:cda7:61ee) |
| 09:00.19 | sciboy | Rhizome, I don't know, i'm just talking gibberish. =P |
| 09:00.25 | Rhizome | ;) |
| 09:00.54 | sciboy | Nope. |
| 09:01.33 | tralala | sciboy: flush your dns?! |
| 09:01.49 | sciboy | I left a floater and it's stinky. =| |
| 09:02.03 | Rhizome | eww |
| 09:02.12 | karsten | sciboy: That's why it's called DNS. |
| 09:02.16 | karsten | sciboy: Does not stink. |
| 09:02.27 | sciboy | I claim false-advertising! |
| 09:03.24 | sciboy | Holy crap my nose is on fire. |
| 09:03.38 | karsten | sciboy: No, it's not that great. |
| 09:03.59 | sciboy | I knwo it isn't, THE PAIN |
| 09:04.14 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 09:04.14 | dpkg | from memory, qotd84 is <Guerin> i suck, you know this. |
| 09:06.12 | liable | wow, that was an interesting screen to read.. |
| 09:06.32 | karsten | liable: ? |
| 09:06.59 | sciboy | Sorry, i'm an animator, old habits die hard. |
| 09:07.27 | liable | karsten: ??!! |
| 09:07.45 | karsten | liable: ^^^>>><<< **** |
| 09:08.03 | tralala | or maybe I need fixing... |
| 09:08.32 | *** join/#debian nico_ (i=nico@86.68.204.199) |
| 09:08.33 | sciboy | Hey guys, i changed the nameservers on my domain name and i want to check whether it's going to work or not without waiting for it to propogate, any ideas? |
| 09:09.09 | karsten | sciboy: host <fqdn> <nameserver> |
| 09:09.10 | sciboy | Because if it isn't, my email address is defunct and i'm expecting something important. =| |
| 09:09.24 | petemc | sciboy: dig @yournameservers |
| 09:09.40 | karsten | sciboy: man host, man dig. You can specify the nameserver to query w/o waiting for the glue to get propogated. |
| 09:11.57 | dorel__ | currently i have package x installed, i want to install it from source though by changing some stuff on debian/rules so i should remove the current binary package x and then install the new source package... is this about it? |
| 09:12.12 | karsten | dorel__: Yes. |
| 09:12.24 | karsten | dorel__: If there's anything that depends on this package, see also 'equivs' |
| 09:13.06 | *** join/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 09:13.49 | *** join/#debian markw (n=markw@ip68-7-164-142.sd.sd.cox.net) |
| 09:14.20 | *** join/#debian fireba11_grr (n=Miranda@p549590E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:15.23 | *** join/#debian AR (n=Akarak@itk1.bas-net.by) |
| 09:15.23 | *** join/#debian fireba11_grr (n=Miranda@p549590E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:17.01 | *** join/#debian Keal (n=TRK@ip68-99-90-88.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 09:17.10 | Keal | may i ask of a favor? |
| 09:17.21 | karsten | Keal: Nope. Fresh out. |
| 09:17.29 | karsten | !tell Keal about ask |
| 09:17.34 | Keal | my site need to be milspec shreaded and the only way is via the following url |
| 09:17.36 | Keal | http://serialsixes.net/owned.php click to help me bomb my site please (big brother seems to think i shouldn't have a job nor ride planes) |
| 09:17.46 | sciboy | Keal, Okay just none of that kinky stuff. |
| 09:17.48 | *** join/#debian Caitriona (n=stephani@wikipedia/Triona) |
| 09:17.52 | *** join/#debian ShdB (n=shdb@84-72-153-87.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 09:17.57 | Ronin | ummm ok Keal maybe lay off the meds a bit too |
| 09:18.09 | sciboy | Too kinky for me. |
| 09:18.19 | Keal | once that link no longer works the site is gone |
| 09:18.28 | Keal | it just keeps timing out after 90 secs |
| 09:18.37 | Keal | and i cant change that |
| 09:21.16 | karsten | !thursday |
| 09:21.16 | dpkg | "This must be Thursday. I could never get the hang of Thursdays." (Arthur Dent), or tight-underwear day. |
| 09:21.17 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.19) |
| 09:21.26 | luge1 | slashdot it |
| 09:22.34 | Keal | the person that does the final wipe gets a toy surpise :) |
| 09:23.00 | tralala | plonk |
| 09:24.15 | CAiRO | where do i configure the default paper size for my printer? all applications always think i use the US-letter format even though i have the european A4 format |
| 09:24.27 | karsten | CAiRO: CUPS |
| 09:24.48 | karsten | CAiRO: or /etc/papersize |
| 09:24.55 | karsten | CAiRO: One or the other should do it. |
| 09:24.57 | CAiRO | yes, but in the web interface of cups, i've selected A4 for my only printer |
| 09:25.14 | karsten | CAiRO: man 5 papersize |
| 09:25.27 | CAiRO | and /etc/papersize has "a4" as contents |
| 09:25.38 | *** join/#debian OPENGUY (n=ASD@59.94.137.118) |
| 09:25.39 | karsten | Hrm. |
| 09:25.45 | OPENGUY | hi |
| 09:25.53 | OPENGUY | i need help with fetchmail multidrop |
| 09:25.58 | *** join/#debian beligum (n=beligum@d54C49278.access.telenet.be) |
| 09:26.05 | *** join/#debian jabular (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:26.06 | karsten | !tell OPENGUY about smart questions |
| 09:26.06 | OPENGUY | all mail for multidrop goes to postmaster |
| 09:26.10 | CAiRO | and paperconf returns "a4" |
| 09:26.43 | tralala | CAiRO: did you restart cups? |
| 09:26.54 | CAiRO | tralala: yes, i'm even printing right now |
| 09:26.59 | karsten | OPENGUY: IIRC 'user <remote> is <localuser> here' or something. Man fetchmailrc. |
| 09:27.04 | beligum | Hello everyone, I'm looking for a debian-packager for ScreenKast (new screen capturing program), where can I find one? |
| 09:27.07 | CAiRO | i have this problem for several programs, like firefox or acroread |
| 09:27.15 | CAiRO | they always have "letter" selected by default |
| 09:27.38 | tralala | CAiRO: perhaps they have individual settings for the paper size |
| 09:27.57 | CAiRO | hmm |
| 09:28.16 | tralala | beligum: how much do you offer? |
| 09:28.38 | karsten | CAiRO: about:config print.postscript.paper_size |
| 09:28.51 | petemc | !tell beligum about rfp |
| 09:28.53 | beligum | tralala: my entire source code ;-) |
| 09:29.02 | *** join/#debian utis (n=andrius@client-82-2-54-111.brnt.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 09:29.11 | karsten | CAiRO: That seems to be the case for firefox. Not sure about acroread. Might I suggest xpdf? |
| 09:29.13 | OPENGUY | karsten - am doing same user <uname> is * here |
| 09:29.21 | *** join/#debian fallingdutch (n=fallingd@krlh-590d0267.pool.einsundeins.de) |
| 09:29.24 | OPENGUY | but still all mail goes to postmaster only |
| 09:29.33 | *** part/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 09:29.39 | karsten | OPENGUY: Ok. IIRC there's pretty decont docs on that, haven't used that mode for fetchmail though. |
| 09:29.45 | Keal | Big Brother is after me! I can't get a job nor ride planes! Please click http://serialsixes.net/owned.php to help me distributed military specfication shred my site! |
| 09:29.46 | CAiRO | karsten: ah, ok, thanks a lot, maybe i should use xpdf.. there's a rare case where acroread displays pdfs a bit better or displays them at all where xpdf fails |
| 09:30.05 | *** join/#debian catalan (n=tomek@chello084010143052.chello.pl) |
| 09:30.09 | karsten | CAiRO: *very* rare as I recall. My experience is that acroread is pants. |
| 09:30.21 | Guerin | acrobat is worthless shite most of the time |
| 09:30.25 | liable | CAiRO: firefox actually prints though? |
| 09:30.31 | *** join/#debian floe (n=konversa@i577B2CCE.versanet.de) |
| 09:30.39 | Guerin | see http://feayn.org/~lewis/adobe.txt |
| 09:30.44 | karsten | Guerin: The one possible exception being filling in forms on Adobe's proprietary PDF extensions. |
| 09:30.55 | *** join/#debian oKtosiTe (n=oKtosiTe@unaffiliated/oKtosiTe) |
| 09:31.00 | Guerin | karsten: print and send 'em in by snail |
| 09:31.09 | CAiRO | liable: yes, a4 and letter format is quite similar.. you'll usually get wrong borders but except for that it mostly works if i forgot to swtich it to a4 manually |
| 09:31.09 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
| 09:31.14 | liable | thats usefull.. |
| 09:31.18 | Guerin | karsten: but yeah. A pox on anyone who uses 'em. |
| 09:31.21 | karsten | Guerin: Nice error. |
| 09:31.40 | Guerin | karsten: if only everyone emailed off the error report |
| 09:32.10 | Guerin | I sent mine to bugs@adobe.com and got the following response |
| 09:32.11 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:32.16 | Guerin | nice eh? |
| 09:32.22 | karsten | Suweet. |
| 09:33.07 | catalan | hi, where do i set the system default browser.. i installed opera and it fires up instead of firefox whenever i click a link... |
| 09:33.22 | Guerin | catalan: that sounds like best-case scenario to me |
| 09:33.25 | OPENGUY | and upon examining X headers also .. it has four Received: headers |
| 09:33.43 | wols | hm... reiserfs looks grim. bloodsplatters in reisers car |
| 09:33.56 | Guerin | wols: eh? |
| 09:34.02 | *** join/#debian evil3y3 (n=evil@202.153.87.157) |
| 09:34.06 | wols | http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/15735159.htm |
| 09:34.17 | catalan | guerin: :) yeah, to me it's not |
| 09:34.21 | *** join/#debian ShdB (n=shdb@84-72-153-87.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 09:34.32 | Guerin | wtf |
| 09:34.42 | liable | Guerin: keep up with the times son |
| 09:34.51 | Guerin | we all knew he was insane, but that takes the cookie |
| 09:35.05 | karsten | wols: Um. Reiser. The filesystem is neither missing nor a suspect. |
| 09:35.10 | Guerin | liable: my head is stuck in 1980s New Zealand foreign policy at the moment, sorry |
| 09:35.11 | karsten | wols: -offtopic |
| 09:35.24 | liable | karsten: but his wife and he is |
| 09:35.26 | wols | but the future of it is when its main developer is in SingSing fairly soon |
| 09:35.29 | Guerin | karsten: but he's the only person with the faintest understanding of it |
| 09:35.35 | karsten | Guerin: In fairness, he's a suspect, not convicted. |
| 09:35.43 | Guerin | i know |
| 09:35.44 | *** join/#debian affenhirn (n=affenhir@DSL01.83.171.148.141.ip-pool.NEFkom.net) |
| 09:35.50 | luge1 | who is next the cdrecord guy or openbsd guy |
| 09:35.59 | karsten | Guerin: There's a few. Not a great situation, conceeded. |
| 09:36.09 | karsten | luge1: ?? |
| 09:36.14 | Guerin | liable: or the slackware guy? |
| 09:36.30 | *** part/#debian affenhirn (n=affenhir@DSL01.83.171.148.141.ip-pool.NEFkom.net) |
| 09:36.39 | Guerin | karsten: the next irreplacable person^W^Wautocrat\ to die, I think he means. |
| 09:37.00 | *** join/#debian ghenry (n=ghenry@82-69-192-46.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 09:37.16 | karsten | Guerin: Volkerding? |
| 09:37.37 | Guerin | karsten: i was finishing his part for him. It's an open question. |
| 09:37.50 | Guerin | It was, like ... so hush-hush ... |
| 09:37.56 | karsten | Guerin: As was pointed out in the /. reiser case discussion: there's a hell of a lot of proprietary software that's awfully bus-threatened. |
| 09:38.01 | *** mode/#debian [+l 692] by debhelper |
| 09:38.03 | liable | who is him? |
| 09:38.08 | Guerin | YOU FUCKIN' DIE! |
| 09:38.16 | *** part/#debian gresco (n=gresco@OL201-196.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 09:38.42 | liable | Guerin: your caps lock is stuck, and you seem to have missed the last therapy session |
| 09:38.43 | *** join/#debian TiCPU (i=bnc-jero@c207.134.45-72.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 09:38.47 | blondie | is it possible to edit the locale's date format? |
| 09:38.51 | Guerin | !pixiessmite liable |
| 09:39.23 | *** join/#debian lord_rob (n=robert@185.218-240-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 09:39.32 | streuner | hehe, there is something wrong with the relationship of Guerin and cars :-) |
| 09:39.36 | *** join/#debian jabular_ (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 09:39.38 | liable | actually, i have a cheap car for sale |
| 09:40.06 | streuner | Guerin: Get a Porsche! :-) |
| 09:40.41 | Guerin | streuner: might as well get a VW beetle ... they're apparently the same thing with different branding |
| 09:40.43 | lord_rob | Hi ! When I type "whois www.google.com" I get "getaddrinfo(whois.crsnic.net): Name or service not known". However I can ping www.google.com. Anybody can help me ? |
| 09:40.56 | streuner | Guerin: fucking status... |
| 09:41.11 | streuner | Guerin: cars are statussymbols |
| 09:41.14 | Guerin | my car needs teh fix0r |
| 09:41.23 | Guerin | it has a hole in the muffler and makes farty noises |
| 09:41.30 | karsten | Guerin: aptitude install teh-fix0r |
| 09:41.37 | Guerin | among other things, like squealy noises for no apparent reason |
| 09:41.37 | streuner | Guerin: haha |
| 09:41.52 | karsten | Guerin: That's not a car you're driving. |
| 09:41.59 | blondie | stop talking about fucking cars |
| 09:42.02 | karsten | Guerin: Get *off* that sheep and back away slowly. |
| 09:42.07 | Guerin | karsten: hah |
| 09:42.07 | liable | Guerin: i will ship my car for a small ransom to you, for a fair price. |
| 09:42.28 | Guerin | liable: if you were on the same continent as me, I'd consider it |
| 09:42.32 | karsten | lord_rob: Sounds like whois.crsnic.net isn't resolving. 'host whois.crsnic.net' |
| 09:42.55 | Guerin | but as it stands I might just take this one to the Island Bay Garage and say 'fix 'er up good, doc, I goits me two road trips to do this summer' |
| 09:43.20 | liable | nz is a continent? |
| 09:43.34 | lord_rob | karsten: whois.crsnic.net has address 199.7.55.74 |
| 09:43.36 | luge1 | island |
| 09:43.44 | Guerin | liable: australia is, and NZ isn't on it |
| 09:43.49 | karsten | liable: sheep turd |
| 09:43.49 | Guerin | liable: islands |
| 09:43.52 | streuner | liable: different worlds :-P |
| 09:43.55 | *** join/#debian k-man (n=jason@unaffiliated/k-man) |
| 09:44.04 | Guerin | luge1: make your nick not start with l, for pavor |
| 09:44.06 | blondie | australia isn't a continent |
| 09:44.11 | blondie | it's a country |
| 09:44.12 | Guerin | blondie: depends who you ask |
| 09:44.23 | blondie | australasia is the continent |
| 09:44.25 | liable | blondie: its a continent and an island |
| 09:44.28 | karsten | blondie: it's a penal colony |
| 09:44.28 | Guerin | blondie: depends who you ask |
| 09:44.29 | streuner | most here in europe speak about .au as continent |
| 09:44.40 | blondie | Guerin: no it doesn't, it's a fact |
| 09:44.43 | streuner | they usually forget .nz :-) |
| 09:44.49 | Guerin | blondie: no, really, it isn't. |
| 09:45.13 | liable | smallest continent, largest island innit? |
| 09:45.17 | Guerin | blondie: there *IS* substantive debate about this amongst geographers, cartographers and geopolitical scientists. |
| 09:45.21 | luge1 | greenland |
| 09:45.31 | Guerin | luge1: is another example |
| 09:45.33 | blondie | anyway this has nothing to do with debian so silence |
| 09:45.43 | streuner | how much is shipping a car from .au to .nz? |
| 09:45.49 | blondie | anyway this has nothing to do with debian so silence |
| 09:45.56 | liable | blondie: you cant say that just because you are teh l0se |
| 09:45.59 | Guerin | blondie: how about them Lions |
| 09:46.06 | lord_rob | karsten: so whois.crsnic.net seems to sesolve properly ... |
| 09:46.14 | blondie | no, it's because I have a debian question and you're talking about fucking cars |
| 09:46.21 | *** join/#debian cb^ (n=cb@pD9E01F34.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 09:46.24 | streuner | blondie: as long as there are no questions, it should be ok. |
| 09:46.25 | Guerin | Nonu is on fire this season, and that young feller Corey Jane, he's a tough nut |
| 09:46.41 | blondie | streuner: it's not ok then, is it. |
| 09:47.22 | karsten | lord_rob: Can you ping it? |
| 09:47.39 | karsten | lord_rob: Might just retry your whois query |
| 09:47.48 | Guerin | blondie: afaik the answer to your question is 'yes', but I don't know how. |
| 09:47.59 | karsten | lord_rob: whois == port 43 AFAICT |
| 09:48.39 | Guerin | blondie: they'll get nuked on reinstall of libc or whatever provides them |
| 09:48.47 | blondie | Guerin: unacceptable. |
| 09:48.58 | lord_rob | karsten: "whois whois.crsnic.net" --> "getaddrinfo(whois.crsnic.net): Name or service not known" |
| 09:49.06 | karsten | Odd. |
| 09:49.07 | luge1 | blondie - you a german? |
| 09:49.12 | blondie | no |
| 09:49.19 | karsten | lord_rob: 'strace whois whois.crsnic.net' |
| 09:49.20 | liable | u a girl? |
| 09:49.26 | Guerin | blondie: i'd ask debian-user - someone's bound to know. Otherwise wait until the USians wake up |
| 09:49.37 | karsten | liable: Not tonight, honey. |
| 09:49.52 | luge1 | ame-iricans |
| 09:49.57 | karsten | lord_rob: That's an invalid whois query FYI. |
| 09:50.08 | liable | karsten: i have seen photo's, theres not enough beer in the world |
| 09:50.11 | karsten | lord_rob: 'whois crsnic.net' would be sane. |
| 09:50.33 | karsten | liable: How convenient. |
| 09:50.40 | *** join/#debian g8m (n=evil@cp82868-a.dbsch1.nb.home.nl) |
| 09:50.50 | liable | for what? |
| 09:51.23 | *** join/#debian enouf (n=enouf@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 09:51.58 | lord_rob | karsten: ah strace gives some interesting information. open("/usr/lib/libnss_mdns4_minimal.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) open("/lib/i486-linux-gnu/tls/libnss_mdns4_minimal.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 09:52.30 | lord_rob | things like that ... it could be a disk crash |
| 09:52.30 | *** join/#debian Razva (n=Razva@unaffiliated/razva) |
| 09:52.33 | Razva | hi. how can I list all the users from my box via bash? |
| 09:52.37 | karsten | lord_rob: May not be horribly wrong, but suggests an area for more info. |
| 09:52.55 | karsten | Razva: active users? 'w' or 'who'. All known? cat /etc/passwd |
| 09:53.00 | *** part/#debian Talnakh (n=Talnakh@c180-164.i02-6.onvol.net) |
| 09:53.21 | Razva | ok, thanks karsten |
| 09:54.04 | karsten | lord_rob: I've got /usr/lib/libnss_mdns4_minimal.so.2 on my system, appears to be part of ... libnss-mdns. Might try reinstalling. Also check for disk error as you suggested. |
| 09:54.12 | karsten | lord_rob: I'm outta here. |
| 09:54.51 | *** join/#debian ft (n=hawk@212.117.84.3) |
| 09:55.03 | Razva | how can I see when was the last mysql passwd changed? |
| 09:55.42 | karsten | Razva: Might be logged in mysql's admin tables. Otherwise, may not be available. |
| 09:56.04 | lord_rob | Here's my strace karsten and others interested : http://channels.debian.net/paste/4028 |
| 09:57.13 | *** join/#debian Cabal (n=bconway@c-24-218-136-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 09:57.50 | *** join/#debian bcmmason (n=mason@70.89.178.179) |
| 09:58.03 | *** join/#debian chr_ (n=chr@host81-154-150-138.range81-154.btcentralplus.com) |
| 09:58.40 | *** join/#debian ramir3z_ (n=rami@p54A67AB4.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 09:59.10 | karsten | lord_rob: My own for comparison: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4029 |
| 09:59.24 | tengulre | aa |
| 10:00.08 | *** join/#debian qip|Virusmaster (n=virusmas@141.69.160.3) |
| 10:00.11 | karsten | lord_rob: You seem to be running into trouble about here: open("/lib/tls/i686/cmov/libnss_mdns4_minimal.so.2", O_RDONLY) = -1 ENOENT (No such file or directory) |
| 10:00.22 | karsten | lord_rob: Best I can tell. Have fun. Really gone now. |
| 10:00.33 | lord_rob | bye thanks for the help karsten |
| 10:00.52 | *** join/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 10:01.46 | epsilon | did 2.6 kernel switch back to 3-digit version number, or why is 2.6.19 next kernel? |
| 10:01.56 | *** join/#debian psycodad (n=obiwan@2001:4060:4419:b1:0:0:0:2) |
| 10:01.59 | azeem | epsilon: back? |
| 10:02.17 | azeem | the 3-digits are maintained by Linus and Andrew, the 4-digits by others |
| 10:02.28 | epsilon | I mean 2.6.19 instead 2.6.18.1 |
| 10:02.46 | azeem | I guess there will be 2.6.18.x eventually, if there aren't already |
| 10:02.52 | azeem | as usual bug-fixes only |
| 10:03.00 | lord_rob | karsten: you solved my problem. I reinstalled libnss-mdns and everything seems to work again :) |
| 10:03.44 | *** join/#debian dalias` (n=dalias@bzq-88-155-3-157.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 10:04.41 | *** join/#debian SkareCrow (n=SkareCro@unaffiliated/skarecrow) |
| 10:09.16 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 10:12.18 | *** join/#debian Faust (n=faust@69.111.120.108) |
| 10:12.33 | *** part/#debian Keal (n=TRK@ip68-99-90-88.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 10:12.55 | *** join/#debian gcbirzan (n=gcbirzan@oxsoft.gotadsl.co.uk) |
| 10:14.33 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=Ebless@dsl236-46.netsys.am) |
| 10:17.40 | Hoxzer | !xfx |
| 10:17.41 | dpkg | hmm... xfx is an acronym for the x strike force which can be found at http://master.debian.org/~branden/xsf.html |
| 10:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 685] by debhelper |
| 10:18.05 | Hoxzer | Nor working (>_<) |
| 10:18.42 | liable | http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 10:19.22 | *** join/#debian mattl_ (i=mattl@npfit2.dh.bytemark.co.uk) |
| 10:19.39 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.150) |
| 10:20.03 | Hoxzer | thx |
| 10:23.37 | *** join/#debian psycodad (n=obiwan@2001:4060:4419:b1:0:0:0:2) |
| 10:23.39 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=Ebless@dsl236-46.netsys.am) |
| 10:24.08 | cydork | !qotd0 |
| 10:24.08 | dpkg | somebody said qotd103 was <punchik> everytime i use google i get a message that says its no safe , and other people can read what im writing because its not encrypted <Guerin> punchik: do you care if people see what you google for? <punchik> yes <punchik> i dont want people to know that i use to look for shemales |
| 10:24.11 | liable | dpkg: no xsx is <reply> an acronym? for the debian x strike force. the wiki can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 10:24.11 | dpkg | okay, liable |
| 10:24.44 | liable | dpkg: no xfx is <reply> an acronym? for the debian x strike force. the wiki can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 10:24.44 | dpkg | okay, liable |
| 10:24.48 | liable | doh |
| 10:24.57 | liable | dpkg: forget xsx |
| 10:24.57 | dpkg | liable: i forgot xsx |
| 10:25.33 | cydork | !useless factoid |
| 10:25.33 | dpkg | it has been said that useless factoid is Every time you create a useless factoid, God kills a user not using Debian |
| 10:25.51 | *** join/#debian dorel__ (n=liran@212.199.9.246.static.012.net.il) |
| 10:27.09 | liable | !xsf |
| 10:27.09 | dpkg | rumour has it, xsf is the X Strike Force, home of Debian's XFree86 packages, at http://people.debian.org/~branden/ or http://necrotic.deadbeast.net/xsf/XFree86/NEWS.xhtml |
| 10:27.16 | liable | right |
| 10:28.12 | *** part/#debian luge1 (n=luge@c-67-164-202-33.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 10:29.27 | liable | havent heard of branden for a while |
| 10:29.52 | chemaja | omg! -- http://p12n.org/hacks/aptitude-build-dep |
| 10:30.30 | liable | dpkg: no xsf is an acronym for the debian x strike force. the wiki can be found at http://wiki.debian.org/XStrikeForce |
| 10:30.31 | dpkg | liable: okay |
| 10:31.54 | *** join/#debian pinucset (n=pinucset@197.Red-80-32-81.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 10:32.00 | *** join/#debian CcSsNET (n=ccssnet@c-24-147-193-135.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 10:34.53 | simonrvn | chemaja: peterS did that. peterS: awesome thing you got there (aptitude-build-dep) |
| 10:35.27 | chemaja | peterS: i'm yet to try it (still auditing the code... not that i dont trust you, im always paranoid ;) -- but thanks |
| 10:35.34 | chemaja | simonrvn: :D |
| 10:35.54 | chemaja | i hate how the dep tracking of aptitude isn't part of dpkg |
| 10:35.59 | chemaja | :( |
| 10:36.01 | *** join/#debian MCCCXXXVII (n=seraph@cpe-72-185-21-238.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 10:36.14 | chemaja | that's the only reason i religiously use aptitude and not apt-get |
| 10:36.28 | simonrvn | dpkg is an old tool, been around awhile |
| 10:36.32 | *** join/#debian Deryl (n=pgpkeys@adsl-69-37-165-248.adsl.snet.net) |
| 10:36.34 | chemaja | simonrvn: ack |
| 10:37.06 | simonrvn | is that a bill the cat ack or a tcp/ip one? |
| 10:37.36 | chemaja | simonrvn: tcp :D -- i'm always worried that some bastard program is going to somehow call something other than aptitude behind my back |
| 10:37.57 | chemaja | ie. and not track my deps. highly unlikely, given how pedantic i am |
| 10:38.45 | *** join/#debian p0seidon (n=poseidon@81.193.70.19) |
| 10:39.41 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 10:40.09 | teledyn | if you guys wanna see some cool video - they're resurfacing the street near where i live - i made a short clip of it: http://ath.mine.nu/video/resurfacing_the_street.avi |
| 10:40.48 | simonrvn | mol-modules-source in x86? |
| 10:40.57 | simonrvn | oh... nm |
| 10:41.58 | *** join/#debian unreal_ (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 10:43.14 | liable | teledyn: dude, has to be a slow tv night to watch a street resurfacing video :P |
| 10:43.53 | teledyn | its actually really cool. the whole thing is a continual process |
| 10:44.27 | liable | chews it up, heats, tars and relays? yeah, very cool machine (if thats what you got on video) |
| 10:44.28 | teledyn | the dump trucks come up in front of the feeder machine you see in the video, every couple minutes, and dump more asphalt into the feeder |
| 10:44.43 | liable | oh |
| 10:44.53 | teledyn | there was also what looked like an oil truck at one point feeding oil into the feeder thing |
| 10:45.16 | teledyn | then there are the steamrollers behind doing there thing |
| 10:46.34 | liable | teledyn: theres a machine over here that heats the road, then rips it up, adds more tar or whatever, then lays it back down. pretty funky.. |
| 10:47.20 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (n=jelly@lan.iskon.hr) |
| 10:47.30 | teledyn | liable: i don't think it does any ripping up. it just lays down a coat on top of what is there |
| 10:47.57 | teledyn | i'm upping a better clip to the web server now but the upload is way slow. |
| 10:48.47 | teledyn | i was surprised how much asphalt they use. must have been 5 or 6 dump truck refills in a 1/8 mile stretch |
| 10:49.02 | liable | roads are expensive |
| 10:49.24 | liable | the forming underneath is the really expensive bit |
| 10:49.26 | teledyn | i wonder what they will do when oil is $20/barrel |
| 10:49.49 | teledyn | i feel like i'm capturing history. people in the future will never witness such things again |
| 10:49.53 | simonrvn | keep using it until there's none left |
| 10:50.07 | wols | teledyn: those days are gone. oil will never be 20$ a barrel again |
| 10:50.31 | teledyn | whoa, what was i thinking. yeah, i mean $200/barrel |
| 10:50.39 | liable | my term displays dollar signs terribly |
| 10:50.47 | petemc | $$$$$ |
| 10:51.10 | liable | that looks like what a snake would say |
| 10:51.38 | simonrvn | well, looks like i was pretty much forced into letting go the hold on apache 2.0.x ... |
| 10:52.30 | *** join/#debian PhilKC (i=PhilKC@unaffiliated/philkc) |
| 10:52.35 | *** join/#debian jindal (i=hvkptqd@h678631.serverkompetenz.net) |
| 10:53.27 | *** join/#debian Irdeto (n=elive@194.146.155.82) |
| 10:53.54 | Irdeto | hello I get this message and gdm doesn't run, Not starting GNOME Display Manager; it is not the default display manager. |
| 10:54.01 | jooopyme | Hi, what is a good way to create users in debian? |
| 10:54.08 | Irdeto | any ideas how to fix this please, am on Debian Testing. |
| 10:54.08 | petemc | adduser |
| 10:54.09 | simonrvn | dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 10:54.10 | h3sp4wn | Irdeto: dpkg-reconfigure gdm |
| 10:54.19 | liable | Irdeto: well, you can remove it if you dont use it. |
| 10:54.29 | Irdeto | simonrvn. h3sp4wn thank you. |
| 10:54.33 | Irdeto | liable: No I use it. |
| 10:54.42 | jooopyme | petemc: but it will create all the skelaton and .... |
| 10:54.47 | jooopyme | ? |
| 10:55.02 | petemc | jooopyme: it will use /etc/skel/ if thats what you mean |
| 10:55.12 | jooopyme | petemc: yep |
| 10:55.31 | *** join/#debian loki42 (n=loki@p54B23ECE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 10:56.01 | jindal | hullo guys, my X runs fine on .18-1 and a custom .17.11 kernel but fails to startup on .17-2 and .18-1-xen and others....... log shows (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration... |
| 10:56.11 | simonrvn | it will use whatever else you set up for skel.other and adduser.local too *hint* |
| 10:56.12 | Irdeto | h3sp4wn: oke done, now restart X ? |
| 10:56.13 | *** join/#debian Allman (n=allman@85.19.74.66) |
| 10:56.30 | simonrvn | restart gdm or kdm or whatevver |
| 10:56.36 | simonrvn | s,vv,v, |
| 10:56.39 | Irdeto | kthanx |
| 10:56.58 | Allman | any news about Hans Reiser? |
| 10:57.12 | liable | yes, on news sites.. :P |
| 10:57.14 | petemc | none debian related |
| 10:57.29 | simonrvn | who? :P |
| 10:57.41 | *** join/#debian Piet_ (i=pietor@tor/regular/Piet) |
| 10:57.41 | liable | heh |
| 10:57.42 | teledyn | Allman: is he sick? |
| 10:57.46 | jindal | am running unstable ( 2.6 kernels abv) plz help |
| 10:57.51 | Allman | hehe, sick might just be the word :-D |
| 10:57.53 | liable | quite possibly |
| 10:59.00 | *** join/#debian WoodyWoodpecker (n=Woody@www.bfa-home.de) |
| 10:59.03 | simonrvn | if he is, i hope that he has a quick and good recovery |
| 10:59.20 | Allman | He was arrested a couple of days ago.. |
| 10:59.43 | *** join/#debian cafuego (n=cafuego@59.167.191.160) |
| 11:00.02 | liable | Allman: try ##linux |
| 11:01.32 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (n=TK422@137.Red-83-50-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 11:01.35 | teledyn | http://ath.mine.nu/photos/Resurfacing_El_Camino/IMG_5937.JPG <-- photo where you can see dump truck, loader, and surfacer all working together |
| 11:02.28 | *** join/#debian syntaxx_ (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 11:04.13 | liable | all the bots must have migrated back after the cname change i guess. |
| 11:04.38 | simonrvn | the bots here? |
| 11:04.44 | *** part/#debian jpieper (n=jpieper@209-6-159-119.c3-0.smr-ubr3.sbo-smr.ma.cable.rcn.com) |
| 11:04.48 | liable | or the idlers, or whatever they are |
| 11:05.07 | simonrvn | oh, yeh, some chose to stay |
| 11:05.10 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:05.18 | liable | good timing :) |
| 11:05.19 | *** join/#debian mad_muppet (n=slayer_l@219-89-137-149.jetstart.xtra.co.nz) |
| 11:05.24 | *** join/#debian DrJackson (n=gathond@aworklan025162.netvigator.com) |
| 11:06.45 | tralala | the debstats should list nicks idling here for long time as "bot suspect" |
| 11:07.06 | mad_muppet | I have tried to set bsetbg on blackbox by using the bsetbg path_to_image/.jpg but the background is not appearing when I restart the window |
| 11:07.07 | simonrvn | heh |
| 11:07.28 | liable | tralala: the web site? |
| 11:07.44 | tralala | liable: yep |
| 11:08.24 | liable | tralala: hrm, it only does the top 50 or 100 or so active nicks doesnt it? |
| 11:08.40 | *** join/#debian dpkg (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/dpkg) |
| 11:08.56 | tralala | liable: yeah |
| 11:09.32 | jindal | guys am running out of space on / .... shd i remove the debs under /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? (>2 GB) |
| 11:09.41 | simonrvn | apt-get clean |
| 11:09.45 | liable | yes |
| 11:09.45 | SlayerXP | jindal: apt-get clean |
| 11:09.46 | simonrvn | or autoclean |
| 11:09.47 | jindal | oks |
| 11:09.54 | *** join/#debian jetscreamer (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 11:11.18 | *** join/#debian JMT (n=juha@a212-54-25-171.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 11:12.04 | jindal | voila, thanks recovered all |
| 11:12.18 | *** join/#debian Klavier (n=kara@unaffiliated/klavier) |
| 11:13.40 | *** join/#debian PecisDarbs_ (n=pecisk@62.85.86.242) |
| 11:14.35 | *** join/#debian naranha (n=naranha@cable-191-7.iesy.net) |
| 11:14.42 | *** join/#debian idealm (n=ideal@222.67.232.101) |
| 11:15.36 | jindal | one more :) on upgrading to apache 2.2 frm apache 2 am getting some error http://pastebin.ca/199155.... dont know which module to include |
| 11:16.01 | jindal | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:16.35 | SlayerXP | jindal: that's an apache error |
| 11:16.47 | jindal | ya |
| 11:17.12 | *** join/#debian naddar (n=scanner@host120.be.dedigate.com) |
| 11:17.23 | naddar | anyone can tell me the settings of samba |
| 11:17.23 | SlayerXP | the modules are the same as for apache2.0, perhaps you have forgotten to include them in the apache 2.2 config? |
| 11:17.32 | naddar | that everyone can reach it without password ect |
| 11:17.45 | SlayerXP | naddar: no, this is #svn not #samba |
| 11:18.02 | liable | oh |
| 11:18.25 | *** join/#debian hxizan (n=hxizan@222.253.89.32) |
| 11:18.26 | liable | no wonder i didnt understand the questions here |
| 11:18.32 | *** join/#debian khaije1 (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 11:18.52 | SlayerXP | err no, it isn't |
| 11:19.12 | *** join/#debian xsquared (n=xsquared@dsl-58-6-121-220.qld.westnet.com.au) |
| 11:19.17 | liable | haha |
| 11:19.30 | *** join/#debian dao (n=dao@229-133.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) |
| 11:19.49 | tralala | naddar: couldn't the samba docs do it? |
| 11:19.54 | *** join/#debian saad3000 (n=elive@194.146.155.82) |
| 11:20.09 | naddar | hmm diddent check yet :o but i do that first |
| 11:20.11 | naddar | sorry :) |
| 11:20.14 | naddar | anyway thanks |
| 11:20.19 | *** join/#debian LoneWlf (n=lone@ip68-228-208-196.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 11:20.19 | xsquared | hi, im having a bit of a bandwidth problem with someone using udp over our network. How can I kill the this udp connection? |
| 11:20.26 | liable | naddar: try swat |
| 11:20.32 | *** join/#debian ji (n=jiiii@c213-100-19-206.swipnet.se) |
| 11:20.39 | naddar | liable: swat? |
| 11:20.42 | xsquared | i've added some rules to iptables, but it still continues to transfer data |
| 11:20.47 | *** join/#debian ChrisBradley (n=ChrisBra@unaffiliated/chrisbradley) |
| 11:20.48 | liable | naddar: ya |
| 11:20.52 | xsquared | any idea about what i could do? |
| 11:20.57 | naddar | oh i c |
| 11:21.00 | naddar | nice thanks liable |
| 11:21.08 | Allman | xsquared: where is the traffic coming from? block the IP/range |
| 11:21.43 | xsquared | Allman, svr3.de.gta-host.com |
| 11:21.55 | xsquared | Allman, looks like someone is playing GTA multiplayer |
| 11:22.11 | *** join/#debian subir (n=subir@202.79.37.177) |
| 11:22.58 | tralala | xsquared: block the udp traffic of the GTA's portrange |
| 11:23.20 | rpc | mmm slightly beyond the scope of this chan.. but can you tell if me what you think of it? http://www.picotux.com/ can you build such a "box" yourself? |
| 11:23.32 | *** join/#debian ankur (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/ankur) |
| 11:24.10 | *** join/#debian SoloFlyer (n=soloflye@ppp75-201.lns3.adl2.internode.on.net) |
| 11:24.31 | Allman | xsquared: just deny all traffic to that host.. |
| 11:24.35 | *** join/#debian jeff_hann (n=schaiba@194.176.179.72) |
| 11:24.55 | Allman | xsquared: join #iptables |
| 11:25.41 | xsquared | Allman, iptables -I OUTPUT -s 83.133.125.167 -j DROP |
| 11:25.44 | xsquared | will that do? |
| 11:25.45 | jooopyme | How do I change the timezone in debian? |
| 11:25.52 | simonrvn | tzconfig |
| 11:25.57 | jooopyme | tnx |
| 11:26.34 | *** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja) |
| 11:26.41 | *** join/#debian eleftherios (n=elefther@unaffiliated/eleftherios) |
| 11:26.49 | xsquared | see, i've done that command, but the data still keeps coming and going |
| 11:26.52 | tralala | rpc: why not? |
| 11:27.11 | tralala | xsquared: ask in #iptables |
| 11:27.32 | *** join/#debian v|p3r (n=pdiablo@230-215.static.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 11:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 693] by debhelper |
| 11:28.34 | simonrvn | ip route add to blackhole 83.133.125.167 src 127.0.0.2 proto kernel scope link |
| 11:28.41 | simonrvn | xsquared: ^^ |
| 11:28.46 | simonrvn | null route it |
| 11:28.51 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 11:29.09 | xsquared | sweet |
| 11:29.14 | xsquared | thanks simonrvn |
| 11:29.14 | *** join/#debian syntaxis (n=syntaxis@cpc1-lamb2-0-0-cust860.bmly.cable.ntl.com) |
| 11:29.18 | simonrvn | :) |
| 11:29.44 | *** join/#debian toaster (n=tim@ip54-144-173-82.adsl2.versatel.nl) |
| 11:29.46 | simonrvn | BTW, that goes both ways, just in case you didn't know that |
| 11:30.30 | simonrvn | they can't even initiate a connection, and same for your hosts that go through the gateway you have |
| 11:31.13 | *** join/#debian dbw (n=dbw@unaffiliated/sinope) |
| 11:31.19 | simonrvn | !null route |
| 11:31.47 | xsquared | simonrvn, it appears that data is still flowing |
| 11:31.54 | xsquared | simonrvn, *cries* |
| 11:32.19 | simonrvn | it will for a bit, you should kill the conn. with cutter or something |
| 11:32.30 | xsquared | simonrvn, i tried |
| 11:32.39 | xsquared | simonrvn, cutter only works for tcp |
| 11:32.47 | simonrvn | oh yeh. duh |
| 11:33.09 | *** part/#debian oiad (n=Fabian@p508F9F4F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:33.17 | simonrvn | it's going/coming from same host? |
| 11:33.22 | xsquared | simonrvn, yes |
| 11:33.31 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@213-140-8-212.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 11:34.02 | simonrvn | set those iptables rules to REJECT |
| 11:34.26 | xsquared | simonrvn, maybe i should just pull off the net until it just times out on their end |
| 11:34.29 | xsquared | :P |
| 11:34.56 | xsquared | set to reject |
| 11:34.57 | simonrvn | you could bring down the iface for a short time, yeh... but that's last resort usually |
| 11:35.18 | tralala | xsquared: perhaps you want to consider the FORWARD chain instead of OUTPUT |
| 11:35.29 | simonrvn | that's true |
| 11:35.39 | simonrvn | since it is being forwarded |
| 11:35.46 | xsquared | done |
| 11:36.26 | tralala | using a specific IP block however will not prevent the player from switching to another server |
| 11:36.30 | simonrvn | brb |
| 11:36.51 | xsquared | :( |
| 11:36.53 | simonrvn | no. that's why you find all the hosts and block those |
| 11:37.17 | simonrvn | or block on ports, which would more efficient potentially |
| 11:37.28 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 11:37.31 | tralala | alternatively you save yourself some work and a number of rules by finding the port range of the game |
| 11:37.32 | *** join/#debian norc (i=ipaxwcm@p54856256.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:37.44 | xsquared | ok |
| 11:37.46 | *** join/#debian krifur (n=krifur@AToulouse-152-1-47-94.w82-125.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 11:37.48 | xsquared | researching now |
| 11:38.43 | norc | having a problem with backports. I want to install boost-build, added the entry in /etc/apt/preferences ( Package: boost-build \n Pin: release a=sarge-backports \n Pin-Priority: 999 ) but it says E: Couldn't find package boost-build |
| 11:38.47 | norc | any ideas? :-) |
| 11:39.12 | xsquared | the player is connected to the remote port 50634 |
| 11:39.14 | tralala | you don't have the backports sources? |
| 11:39.19 | norc | tralala: I do |
| 11:39.48 | norc | deb http://www.backports.org/debian sarge-backports main contrib non-free |
| 11:39.58 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 11:40.17 | tralala | no such package? |
| 11:40.40 | xsquared | player has stopped playing |
| 11:41.03 | norc | tralala: yes |
| 11:41.32 | *** join/#debian SEcki (i=foobar@p3E9E75AF.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:41.48 | *** join/#debian Daveman (n=dave@pool-138-89-144-121.mad.east.verizon.net) |
| 11:41.48 | *** join/#debian Bushmills (n=l@wpc3131.amenworld.com) |
| 11:41.52 | tralala | norc: then I'm affraid you can't install it |
| 11:41.57 | norc | tralala: how comes? |
| 11:42.15 | norc | ahh.. I just see. its in unstable not in testing |
| 11:42.44 | tralala | norc: backports does not contain everything that could be backported |
| 11:42.54 | *** join/#debian saad3000 (n=elive@194.146.155.82) |
| 11:43.01 | xsquared | simonrvn, looks like i found an alternative to cutter.... "Couic shuts the TCP connections down with RST packets and tries to disrupt UDP transfers with ICMP "host unreachable / bad port" answers." |
| 11:43.05 | norc | tralala: oh.. :( |
| 11:43.12 | norc | tralala: So I have to install it manually? |
| 11:43.17 | norc | by source |
| 11:43.45 | *** join/#debian xkill (n=wntrmut@clx-ac2-182-3.westend.com) |
| 11:44.10 | tralala | norc: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 11:45.34 | norc | thanks tralala :) |
| 11:45.38 | tralala | norc: you're welcome |
| 11:46.07 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.90) |
| 11:46.51 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 11:46.58 | simonrvn | xsquared: yes |
| 11:47.06 | simonrvn | that would be fine |
| 11:49.27 | saad3000 | Hello, when I run compiz, it gives me : /usr/bin/compiz.real: No composite extension I have Xorg7.1 from Debian unstable. |
| 11:50.08 | norc | saad3000: Personally I would say running compiz/xgl with xorg-7.1 is almost suicide, but I might be wrong. :-) |
| 11:50.51 | *** join/#debian bronze_|| (n=Lester@c-24-91-157-212.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 11:52.31 | *** join/#debian jinda1 (i=hewglm@h678631.serverkompetenz.net) |
| 11:53.03 | liable | why? |
| 11:53.32 | norc | because it is highly unstable? dunno :-) |
| 11:53.39 | *** join/#debian khaije_ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 11:53.50 | saad3000 | I installed compiz + xorg from unstable, and compiz is not running at all. |
| 11:53.53 | *** join/#debian FallenHitokiri (n=blitz@p54ACD6CB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 11:54.11 | *** join/#debian unreal (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 11:55.24 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-134-50-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 11:55.50 | xsquared | saad3000, you have to enable it in the xconfig file |
| 11:55.51 | rvalles | Retrieving bug reports... 0% |
| 11:55.59 | rvalles | that uses tons of ram and the machine is short on that |
| 11:56.16 | *** join/#debian psycodad (n=obiwan@2001:4060:4419:b1:0:0:0:2) |
| 11:56.17 | rvalles | is there any way to tell apt not to do that when aptitude upgrading? |
| 11:56.19 | xsquared | saad3000, follow one of the 100s of howtos with compiz |
| 11:56.31 | rvalles | other than deinstaling the bug-handling package... |
| 11:57.08 | *** join/#debian khaije__ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 11:57.40 | saad3000 | xsquared: I did that I added the Section Extensions line in xorg.conf and yet nothing. |
| 11:57.41 | liable | rvalles: it would make sense to remove apt-listbugs if thats what the problem is |
| 11:58.00 | enouf | rvalles: or use update-rc.d, rcconf, sysv-rc-conf to disable it |
| 11:58.08 | xsquared | saad3000, what gfx card do you have? |
| 11:58.27 | saad3000 | i915 |
| 11:58.31 | *** join/#debian yetist (n=yetist@58.62.105.14) |
| 11:58.36 | xsquared | saad3000, what type of card is that? |
| 11:58.43 | liable | apt-listbugs is called from innit? |
| 11:58.47 | saad3000 | Intel express i915 |
| 11:58.59 | xsquared | saad3000, is that onboard video? |
| 11:59.12 | saad3000 | xsquared: Am on laptop so I guess yes. |
| 11:59.32 | xsquared | saad3000, im sorry mate, but i don't think it will work with that |
| 11:59.39 | xsquared | saad3000, it would be too slow |
| 12:00.12 | *** join/#debian rvsjoen (n=xtreme@vpn-75-55.hib.no) |
| 12:00.18 | *** join/#debian khaije___ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 12:00.29 | *** join/#debian speeves (n=speeves@dynamic-129-120-52-228.dynamic.unt.edu) |
| 12:00.37 | saad3000 | xsquared: does Xorg 7.1 support the command xgl or xigl or whatever? |
| 12:00.39 | xsquared | saad3000, if you really want to play with compiz, maybe you should try getting Kororra |
| 12:00.42 | liable | xsquared: really, have a 4 year old radeon it works with |
| 12:01.14 | xsquared | liable, a radeon isn't onboard gfx... is it liable? |
| 12:01.21 | xsquared | ;) |
| 12:01.22 | saad3000 | liable: I also heared that it works fine with intel i9xx cards ofcouse ATI & Nvidia |
| 12:01.27 | liable | xsquared: yes it is, in this case |
| 12:01.39 | xsquared | oh well |
| 12:01.47 | *** part/#debian Cabal (n=bconway@c-24-218-136-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 12:01.57 | *** join/#debian xopher (n=xopher@unaffiliated/xopher) |
| 12:01.57 | xsquared | compiz is still buggy anyway |
| 12:02.01 | saad3000 | xsquared: does Xorg 7.1 support the command xgl or xigl or whatever? |
| 12:02.14 | *** join/#debian Cabal (n=bconway@c-24-218-136-116.hsd1.ma.comcast.net) |
| 12:02.16 | liable | saad3000: aiglx |
| 12:02.16 | xsquared | saad3000, im not sure |
| 12:02.28 | *** join/#debian livingtm (n=Tim@cpe-74-67-15-162.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 12:02.29 | saad3000 | liable: well I dont have that! |
| 12:02.37 | xsquared | saad3000, i've only tried xgl on ubuntu |
| 12:02.38 | saad3000 | this is weird. |
| 12:02.46 | *** join/#debian dererk[w] (n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 12:02.59 | liable | saad3000: its just a xorg.conf option... |
| 12:03.17 | saad3000 | oo its not a command. like in xgl. |
| 12:04.32 | rvalles | 13:57:41 < liable> rvalles: it would make sense to remove apt-listbugs if thats what the problem is |
| 12:04.35 | rvalles | did that at the end |
| 12:04.43 | *** join/#debian Ahri (n=adam@dyn-62-56-100-148.dslaccess.co.uk) |
| 12:04.47 | saad3000 | liable: in xorg.conf I have no module such as xgl/aixgl however I have glx. |
| 12:05.00 | Ahri | hi, i keep getting errors using apt; dpkg-deb: wait for <decompress> failed: No child processes |
| 12:05.09 | liable | saad3000: its not a module, its an option in the server |
| 12:05.23 | Ahri | oh and "Can't ignore signal CHLD, forcing to default." |
| 12:05.26 | saad3000 | mmm ok |
| 12:05.39 | *** part/#debian yetist (n=yetist@58.62.105.14) |
| 12:05.42 | liable | saad3000: do some homework, either the copious ubuntu topics on it, or http://gentoo-wiki.com/HOWTO_AIGLX |
| 12:05.49 | Ahri | any idea how i can fix it? |
| 12:06.34 | saad3000 | ok thanx |
| 12:06.35 | tralala | Ahri: which debian are you running? |
| 12:07.10 | Ahri | mipsel, it was all working fine, then i installed nfs (which installed portmap) and things got weird |
| 12:08.31 | Ahri | uh i'm running unstable mipesel |
| 12:09.28 | *** join/#debian diilbertAtWork (n=icechat5@mctnnbsa24w-142167053136.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) |
| 12:09.54 | *** join/#debian Adrian2 (n=Adrian@d2-232.dip.axsp.de) |
| 12:11.18 | diilbertAtWork | I just installed vsftpd using synaptic... my problem is that no matter how I set in up I still get username/password problems... I am trying to do use local username/passwords, but I keep getting a username/password not accepted error. I even tried copying the configuration for a working vsftpd server (gentoo) |
| 12:11.22 | diilbertAtWork | Any thoughts ? |
| 12:11.38 | *** join/#debian wols_ (n=klingens@p549DFFFD.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 12:11.55 | Ahri | tralala: any ideas? :\ |
| 12:12.11 | dererk[w] | G'Morning/Buenos Días! :-) |
| 12:12.46 | *** join/#debian Adrian2 (n=Adrian@d2-232.dip.axsp.de) |
| 12:13.42 | *** part/#debian Pr0nStrGeek (n=voicenci@cs6625120-28.bham.res.rr.com) |
| 12:13.55 | *** join/#debian MoDaX (n=nth@2002:54f0:1683:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 12:14.50 | *** join/#debian withayanda (n=withayan@c-68-49-245-183.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) |
| 12:18.27 | tralala | Ahri: no, sorry |
| 12:18.32 | *** join/#debian zooy0rk (n=zooy0rk@atlanta.national-net.com) |
| 12:19.43 | *** join/#debian Althaser (n=nufan@bl7-218-71.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 12:20.07 | *** join/#debian DrHOUSE (n=mezzo@kolibria.com) |
| 12:23.21 | *** join/#debian Adrian2 (n=Adrian@d2-232.dip.axsp.de) |
| 12:25.08 | jooopyme | How do I make Mysql listen to requests from the net? |
| 12:25.23 | *** join/#debian Adrian2 (n=Adrian@d2-232.dip.axsp.de) |
| 12:25.27 | jooopyme | There is bind-address = 127.0.0.1 |
| 12:25.41 | jooopyme | so it could listen to the localhost |
| 12:25.47 | diilbertAtWork | It should listen to the net by default |
| 12:25.52 | jooopyme | how do I add the network |
| 12:26.04 | diilbertAtWork | You just need to make sure you have users setup for '%' |
| 12:26.19 | wols_ | jooopyme: edit your my.cnf |
| 12:26.33 | wols_ | but you don't wanna do that unless you want an 0wned server |
| 12:26.41 | withayanda | i'm needing advice on cheap storage.... |
| 12:27.08 | withayanda | i'm looking at NAS appliances but don't like that i can't authenticate users the way i want with most of them.... |
| 12:27.30 | wols_ | withayanda: nslu2 |
| 12:27.34 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.6) |
| 12:27.35 | withayanda | and it seems like i won't be able to take full advantage of gigabit ethernet with USB/Firewire drives... |
| 12:27.42 | dendrite | withayanda: Google for "Debian Slug" :-) |
| 12:28.02 | diilbertAtWork | Using localhost is more secure... having local only applications accessing the server |
| 12:28.12 | wols_ | withayanda: a firewire drive is faster than any disk can deliver data |
| 12:30.05 | *** join/#debian AhrAsyL (n=QhrQsyL@AOrleans-151-1-81-199.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 12:30.09 | withayanda | wols_: really? i thought that the max transfer rate of firewire was 800MB. |
| 12:30.27 | wols_ | 400MBit/s |
| 12:30.40 | wols_ | there's a faster firewire version with 800MBit/s |
| 12:30.56 | wols_ | and now tell me what disk transmits faster than 800MBit/s |
| 12:31.47 | wols_ | well, maybe a 15k rpm scsi drive can match it, but then we're not in "cheap" territory anymore |
| 12:32.31 | tralala | for low end ide/sata disks even 400mbps is more than enough |
| 12:33.28 | *** join/#debian nkuttler (n=nicolas@mauritius.asta.uni-saarland.de) |
| 12:33.31 | withayanda | true. |
| 12:34.12 | h3sp4wn | withayanda: Get a kurobox (much more powerful than an nslu2) |
| 12:34.32 | h3sp4wn | withayanda: Takes an internal disk (as apposed to usb on the nslu2) |
| 12:34.49 | h3sp4wn | withayanda: 4 x the ram - hardware fpu |
| 12:35.57 | wols_ | h3sp4wn: hardware fpu for fileservers? |
| 12:36.40 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 12:37.41 | enouf | withayanda: do you really think you will see anything near 1000mbps using gigabit? (especially when it comes to consumer grade implementations == crap mobos/chipsets) .. noteworthy techs to look into== eSATA, iSCSI, SAS, PCIe, iRAM, FiberChannel |
| 12:37.59 | *** join/#debian aredhel (n=aredhel@pool-70-22-178-117.bos.east.verizon.net) |
| 12:39.13 | john_doe | I'm setting up a new mail server that must replace an old one. How can I configure it to test if it will work after the ip change? Should I just call it newserver.mydomain.com in stead of server.mydomain.com and test it? |
| 12:39.28 | john_doe | Or would this give me problems? |
| 12:39.54 | *** join/#debian glut (i=glut@no.suid.pl) |
| 12:40.12 | *** join/#debian dererk[w] (n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 12:40.55 | h3sp4wn | wols_: Maybe its not necessary - depends what apps you want to run on it I suppose (not taking a usb disk and having 128mb ram as opposed to 32 does make a difference) - If you are using it for just running general junk I would like to have a hardware fpu (and DMA - but I think xscale has that) |
| 12:41.32 | *** join/#debian wdamn (n=marcello@83-103-109-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 12:41.36 | withayanda | enouf: no, i didn't have huge expectations. just hoping for faster than 100Mbs. and this was going to be a temp. step before i implement eSATA, or iSCSI, etc. |
| 12:43.21 | tralala | !qotd0 |
| 12:43.22 | dpkg | [qotd87] <MaXoM> hello i have a problem with squirrelmail can i help you? |
| 12:43.24 | *** join/#debian jooopyme (n=jooopyme@DSL217-132-8-120.bb.netvision.net.il) |
| 12:43.28 | enouf | withayanda: plus a dualcore CPU will help tremendously using consumer gigabit, since the stupid chipset designers decided to hog cpu cycles for whatever extra mbs they could squeeze out of the interface |
| 12:47.15 | SerajewelKS | my system clock is perpetually 5 minutes ahead. if i ask chronyd to "makestep" there is no change. suggestions? |
| 12:47.38 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.82.93) |
| 12:47.53 | *** join/#debian basix (n=basix@unaffiliated/basix) |
| 12:48.05 | enouf | SerajewelKS: Delete your windows box .. hehe |
| 12:48.24 | enouf | SerajewelKS: using ntp/ntpd? |
| 12:48.35 | stew | SerajewelKS: /msg dpkg ntp |
| 12:48.50 | *** join/#debian cardre (n=cardre@ppp251-231.static.internode.on.net) |
| 12:49.07 | *** join/#debian raz0 (i=raz0@0x50a160cd.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 12:49.11 | *** join/#debian aeroSoul (n=aerosoul@dslb-084-056-241-248.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 12:50.29 | norc | where do I set all my locales? |
| 12:50.37 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@unaffiliated/raf256) |
| 12:50.38 | ttick | ls |
| 12:50.39 | SerajewelKS | i said i'm using chrony... not sure what's unclear about that |
| 12:50.49 | enouf | SerajewelKS: if not using any ntp .. man hwclock - maybe try hwclock --hctosys |
| 12:51.22 | SerajewelKS | chrony is an ntp server... |
| 12:51.34 | enouf | SerajewelKS: what the heck is chrony? |
| 12:51.37 | enouf | oh |
| 12:51.59 | cydork | !info chrony |
| 12:52.01 | dpkg | chrony: (Sets your computer's clock from time servers on the Net), section admin, is extra. Version: 1.21z-4 (sid), Packaged size: 319 kB, Installed size: 784 kB |
| 12:52.18 | *** join/#debian khaije_ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 12:52.25 | *** join/#debian Bry2k200 (n=Bry2k200@S0106001310688e48.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 12:52.37 | *** join/#debian Pr0nStrGeek (n=voicenci@mail.ncpsolutions.com) |
| 12:52.38 | *** join/#debian sudharsh (n=sudharsh@59.92.52.232) |
| 12:52.52 | SerajewelKS | hmm |
| 12:53.12 | SerajewelKS | chrony considers all of the pool servers it picked as offline, maybe that's it |
| 12:54.05 | *** join/#debian yel (n=yassine@xdsl-84-44-177-90.netcologne.de) |
| 12:54.11 | norc | locale: Cannot set LC_CTYPE to default locale: No such file or directory |
| 12:54.17 | norc | getting errors like them |
| 12:54.20 | norc | how to fix them? |
| 12:55.00 | tralala | norc: try dpkg-reconfigure locale |
| 12:55.08 | tralala | or locales |
| 12:55.17 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@203.177.138.178) |
| 12:55.37 | norc | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: locale is not installed |
| 12:55.38 | norc | :( |
| 12:56.38 | SerajewelKS | enouf, stew: it seems that chrony got set to offline mode by default... not sure if dpkg installed a now config or what |
| 12:56.43 | SerajewelKS | new* |
| 12:56.45 | DrHOUSE | dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 12:57.11 | *** join/#debian oxyride (n=minami@host21.2037745.gcn.net.tw) |
| 12:57.34 | norc | DrHOUSE: thanks :-) |
| 12:57.47 | norc | works fine =) |
| 12:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper |
| 12:58.04 | *** join/#debian av16ar (n=chatzill@gra33-1-82-228-72-231.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 12:58.25 | av16ar | hello everybody |
| 12:58.35 | oxyride | olleh |
| 12:58.48 | SerajewelKS | but a makestep still isn't syncing the clock =/ |
| 12:59.09 | av16ar | on the debian wiki I can read this "You cannot install sid using the netinst CD daily image, only etch. Use netboot installation method or business card CD image." |
| 12:59.53 | cydork | av16ar: believe if you dont know about sid. you should not use it. |
| 13:00.10 | av16ar | no, no problem I know sid now |
| 13:00.11 | cydork | s/believe/believe me/ :P |
| 13:00.22 | av16ar | but i would like to install it directly |
| 13:00.23 | DrHOUSE | SerajewelKS: use ntpdate with a close time server + cron.hourly or something |
| 13:00.25 | *** join/#debian administrator (i=administ@nat/cisco/x-dd915182cf1a20a3) |
| 13:00.37 | *** join/#debian khermans (i=khermans@nat/cisco/x-60947ae72de89c92) |
| 13:00.44 | DrHOUSE | works for me |
| 13:01.13 | simonrvn | don't ned to run that hourly |
| 13:01.14 | av16ar | and I was wondering if it is possible to install sid directly with the business card that is built daily? |
| 13:01.18 | simonrvn | need* |
| 13:01.19 | *** join/#debian segfault_ (n=nobody@c-68-33-214-39.hsd1.md.comcast.net) |
| 13:01.22 | cydork | av16ar: nope! |
| 13:01.33 | av16ar | ok that's what i thought |
| 13:01.35 | simonrvn | av16ar: no, none of them |
| 13:01.50 | simonrvn | none being any cd of any type |
| 13:01.50 | Caitriona | What package is wine in? |
| 13:02.01 | cydork | !tell Caitriona about search |
| 13:02.04 | DrHOUSE | simonrvn: well hourly because at home i lose 2'/hour... :\ |
| 13:02.12 | *** join/#debian livingtm (n=Tim@rrcs-24-97-168-213.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:02.21 | av16ar | so just the classical business card? |
| 13:02.26 | simonrvn | change your computer's battery ;) |
| 13:02.40 | enouf | DrHOUSE: Cmos battery replacement time? |
| 13:02.42 | DrHOUSE | simonrvn: it's less than 1 year old =) |
| 13:02.49 | *** part/#debian motp (n=motp@83.236.181.13) |
| 13:03.02 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 13:03.04 | Caitriona | umm... I searched, and didn't find... |
| 13:03.10 | *** join/#debian jrf (n=jrf@cpe-65-27-226-67.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 13:03.22 | norc | configure: error: unable to find Boost.DateTime library, currently this is required. < having trouble with this |
| 13:03.22 | simonrvn | wine |
| 13:03.29 | Caitriona | apt-cache search found the xwine frontend, but not wine itself. |
| 13:03.30 | cydork | !info wine |
| 13:03.31 | norc | but I installed the boost stuff already using this command: |
| 13:03.32 | wols_ | !info wine |
| 13:03.36 | norc | apt-get install libboost*-dev libboost.*1.33.0 |
| 13:03.36 | simonrvn | *hint* libboost |
| 13:03.38 | enouf | DrHOUSE: well, if it always did it starting a year ago when the battery was new .. ok .. otherwise, new battery |
| 13:03.39 | norc | ^ |
| 13:03.59 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1034 kB, Installed size: 4936 kB |
| 13:03.59 | Caitriona | !info wine |
| 13:03.59 | simonrvn | ffs |
| 13:04.00 | dpkg | wine: (Windows API Implementation (Binary Loader)), section otherosfs, is optional. Version: 0.9.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 1034 kB, Installed size: 4936 kB |
| 13:04.00 | av16ar | because it said "The daily built images for i386 and AMD64 now include the graphical installer. For PowerPC currently only a gtk-miniiso image is available." |
| 13:04.13 | av16ar | but impossible to install directly sid with this one |
| 13:04.14 | Caitriona | ok... not in etch at all? |
| 13:04.18 | DrHOUSE | enouf: yes it did... but i don't mind really... |
| 13:04.29 | norc | simonrvn: and ideas? :) |
| 13:04.33 | cydork | Caitriona: it is there in etch. |
| 13:04.56 | Caitriona | under amd64? |
| 13:05.01 | cydork | Caitriona: nope . |
| 13:05.11 | enouf | DrHOUSE: ok .. maybe if you feel like probing someday .. man hwclock and the --hwtosys option |
| 13:05.15 | DrHOUSE | enouf & simonrvn, thanx for your concern anyway =) |
| 13:05.21 | Caitriona | argh. I wasted my time with this install then. |
| 13:05.28 | enouf | :-) |
| 13:05.30 | oxyride | is amd64 another pentium pro? |
| 13:05.47 | cydork | !tell oxyride -about amd64 |
| 13:05.58 | syntaxis | Caitriona: you could install it in a 32-bit chroot |
| 13:06.23 | simonrvn | reportbug |
| 13:06.25 | cydork | tralala: heh |
| 13:06.25 | *** join/#debian streuner (i=foobar@p54A5FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:06.41 | Caitriona | syntaxis: ugh. it shouldn't be this hard. |
| 13:07.16 | tralala | Caitriona: it isn't |
| 13:07.27 | norc | configure: error: unable to find Boost.DateTime library, currently this is required. < Though I executed apt-get install libboost*-dev libboost.*1.33.0 before |
| 13:07.27 | syntaxis | Caitriona: it isn't particularly difficult |
| 13:07.30 | norc | any ideas? :( |
| 13:07.36 | *** join/#debian WoodyWoodpecker (n=Woody@www.bfa-home.de) |
| 13:07.46 | tralala | Caitriona: there is a fine manual with step by step instructions |
| 13:07.48 | syntaxis | norc: you can't use wildcards in the "apt-get install" command - you must specify the package name directly |
| 13:07.58 | norc | syntaxis: actually I can :-) |
| 13:08.06 | norc | and the installation worked fine |
| 13:08.16 | Caitriona | it should just work... if I have to do more than apt-get install wine, its broken. |
| 13:08.27 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 13:08.33 | tralala | norc: so aptitude search ~iboost shows the libs as installed? |
| 13:09.05 | norc | ( http://rafb.net/paste/results/Knm6bk63.html ) |
| 13:09.08 | enouf | norc: maybe look into libboost-date-time-dev |
| 13:09.12 | syntaxis | norc: interesting - the command works in apt-get, indeed, but not in aptitude - my mistake :-) |
| 13:09.13 | av16ar | thank you for the answers :), good bye |
| 13:09.14 | tralala | Caitriona: probably you can in Fedora |
| 13:09.16 | norc | tralala: yes. |
| 13:09.41 | tralala | interesting! |
| 13:09.52 | norc | enouf: ahh.. thanks! :-) |
| 13:10.06 | norc | thought my command would pull everything in |
| 13:10.13 | norc | but still: configure: error: unable to find Boost.Filesystem library, currently this is required. |
| 13:10.17 | *** join/#debian abrotman (n=abrotman@pdpc/supporter/active/abrotman) |
| 13:10.22 | *** join/#debian vmhobbes (n=charissa@124.104.87.66) |
| 13:10.22 | norc | but I think I can find my way through on my own |
| 13:10.24 | norc | thank you! :-) |
| 13:10.57 | simonrvn | *hint* apt-cache libboost |
| 13:11.03 | enouf | norc : sid version appears to be Version: 1.33.1-7 |
| 13:11.03 | norc | yeah :-) |
| 13:11.04 | simonrvn | apt-cache search * |
| 13:11.14 | syntaxis | Caitriona: if that's what you want, there's always the option of just installing the x86 port |
| 13:11.16 | norc | thanks :-) |
| 13:11.23 | *** join/#debian nlight (n=nlight@85.187.188.169) |
| 13:11.25 | norc | >=1.33 will do fine :) |
| 13:11.53 | norc | libboost-filesystem1.33.0c2a is already the newest version. |
| 13:11.57 | norc | *sighs* |
| 13:12.13 | tralala | which is like putting a 200HP engine and a 3-shift gearbox in a car... |
| 13:12.15 | cydork | !coffee simonrvn |
| 13:13.22 | *** join/#debian doublehp (n=dhp@lns-bzn-56-82-255-237-4.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 13:13.22 | enouf | norc: you may have already pulled it in .. but maybe your pinning is stopping the later(latest) version? ... as mentioned also review apt-cache search -n boost |
| 13:13.30 | *** join/#debian catalan (n=tomek@chello084010143052.chello.pl) |
| 13:13.39 | enouf | norc: I'm bnot good with versioning and exact versions .. apologies |
| 13:13.41 | norc | enouf: mhm.. I havent understood fully the idea of pinning and so on |
| 13:13.43 | norc | no problem :-) |
| 13:13.43 | *** join/#debian khaije__ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 13:13.50 | catalan | where in debian do i set the default mail client, browser, etc.. |
| 13:13.51 | enouf | cydork: where's my* coffee? |
| 13:13.53 | norc | but it seems that I need a never version of libboost-dev .. :( |
| 13:14.09 | tralala | catalan: man update-alternatives |
| 13:14.10 | *** join/#debian inuyasharenegade (i=UPP@c-68-81-7-199.hsd1.de.comcast.net) |
| 13:14.16 | simonrvn | !coffee enouf |
| 13:14.17 | enouf | norc : still have a sid line in sources.list ? |
| 13:14.19 | cydork | enouf: what did you do? |
| 13:14.33 | enouf | !win simonrvn |
| 13:14.33 | dpkg | Congratulations, simonrvn! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 13:14.47 | simonrvn | catalan: update-alternatives is a place to start |
| 13:14.50 | norc | enouf: nope .. |
| 13:14.51 | enouf | cydork: dunno |
| 13:14.53 | abrotman | catalan: in gnome? |
| 13:15.05 | enouf | norc: add a sid line and then use this .. hold a sec |
| 13:15.11 | norc | ok :-) |
| 13:15.46 | abrotman | enouf: pinning ? |
| 13:15.48 | catalan | abrotman: no, i have fluxbox |
| 13:16.01 | *** join/#debian damien_ (n=damien@CPE-60-226-238-40.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 13:16.39 | *** part/#debian oxyride (n=minami@host21.2037745.gcn.net.tw) |
| 13:16.58 | enouf | norc: apt-get install -t unstable libboost-date-time-dev .. but see abrotman for more specifics .. abrotman : I think he's doing a simple sid backport from sources to imp[lement intot Sarge |
| 13:17.11 | *** join/#debian Joenin (n=nickel@84.13.179.194) |
| 13:17.14 | enouf | abrotman: wghatpkg? I forget |
| 13:17.24 | norc | enouf: date-time isnt the issue I think |
| 13:17.34 | *** join/#debian damien_ (n=damien@CPE-60-226-238-40.sa.bigpond.net.au) |
| 13:17.36 | norc | checking whether the Boost::DateTime library is available... yes |
| 13:17.42 | norc | configure: error: unable to find Boost.Filesystem library, currently this is required. |
| 13:17.45 | norc | ;) |
| 13:17.50 | *** join/#debian Holborn (n=holborn@unaffiliated/holborn) |
| 13:18.13 | enouf | norc: what pkg though are you looking to backport into your Sarge? |
| 13:18.14 | norc | enouf: can I use any debian mirror as a sid mirror? |
| 13:18.28 | enouf | norc: most likely yes ... |
| 13:18.32 | norc | enouf: what do you mean? what package im installing atm? |
| 13:19.09 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (n=mike@c-68-46-30-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 13:19.19 | enouf | norc: didn't you start out compiling from source since backports.org didn;'t have a "newer" version of some "pkgname" for you to play with? |
| 13:19.38 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-145-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 13:19.47 | norc | enouf: I'm trying to install rblibtorrent and btg. :) |
| 13:19.55 | cydork | norc: is that a configure script? |
| 13:19.58 | enouf | norc .. ahha ... see? |
| 13:20.03 | norc | enouf: what? :( |
| 13:20.10 | *** join/#debian vi-config (n=jalandu@pool238.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net) |
| 13:20.26 | enouf | !simple sid backport |
| 13:20.26 | dpkg | [simple sid backport] 1) Add a deb-src line for sid to your sources.list. 2) apt-get update 3) apt-get build-dep packagename;apt-get -b source packagename 4) install the resulting debs, or pay someone to do it properly :), or ask me about <backports>, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/abp/ |
| 13:20.35 | enouf | norc : you did this ..yes? |
| 13:20.38 | *** join/#debian syntaxx (n=syntaxx@unaffiliated/syntaxx) |
| 13:20.51 | norc | enouf: oh.. no.. but I see.. =( |
| 13:21.33 | cydork | norc: arre you tryihng to run some ./configure script? |
| 13:21.36 | norc | yes |
| 13:21.44 | *** join/#debian Abel (i=abel@201.132.102.197) |
| 13:22.14 | cydork | norc: then check which file is it looking for. then search for that file. |
| 13:22.31 | cydork | norc: franky use simple sid backport. :P |
| 13:22.46 | norc | no offence.. but this is so confusing .. |
| 13:24.06 | norc | I have the feeling that Gentoo is much more easy at some subjects :'( |
| 13:24.08 | enouf | norc .. the build-dep <pkgname(s)> should have pulled in all the necessary sources .. like an updatesd version of whatever dependencies your rblibtorrent and btg have -- did you rememeber to use 'deb-src' for the sid line? and not just deb? |
| 13:24.31 | norc | enouf: I dont remember.. |
| 13:24.53 | *** join/#debian GlocK (n=Silent_a@bzq-88-154-198-86.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 13:24.59 | enouf | norc : start form scratch -- follow those steps that dpkg told you |
| 13:25.12 | norc | enouf: think I will do that .. after I cleaned my head .. |
| 13:25.21 | enouf | !wash norc |
| 13:25.24 | norc | thanks for you help anyway! :-) |
| 13:25.27 | enouf | mah :-) |
| 13:26.24 | norc | but im not going to pay anyone for this :-) |
| 13:26.29 | norc | so dpkg is evil :) |
| 13:26.40 | enouf | !what are you |
| 13:26.40 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 13:26.51 | norc | lol :) |
| 13:27.18 | norc | think im doing the right thing now |
| 13:27.28 | norc | at least he is compiling something related to boost.. :-) |
| 13:27.49 | enouf | norc: rememeber to comment out any/all sid lines later when finished installing sources for backporting |
| 13:27.51 | norc | and compiling looks for an old gentoo user always good :) |
| 13:27.54 | norc | O.o |
| 13:27.56 | norc | oh.... |
| 13:27.58 | norc | ok :) |
| 13:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 709] by debhelper |
| 13:28.19 | *** join/#debian svalvolo (n=lol@host208-169-dynamic.56-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:28.25 | norc | enouf: but isnt there a way with pinning to set priority for certain packages? |
| 13:28.39 | enouf | norc: man apt_preferences too -- easy on a per pkgname basis installing instructs |
| 13:28.41 | *** join/#debian Jimmymaniac (n=jherazob@200-91-220-234-host.ifx.net.co) |
| 13:28.46 | norc | mhm.. ok |
| 13:30.27 | *** join/#debian v|p3r (n=pdiablo@230-215.static.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 13:31.49 | enouf | norc: yes .. pinning can be done as well . but it's more complicated and if I need to , I prefere to use the command line version of for ex: apt-get insall -t unstable <pkgname> (the -t is for "target release version") .. when you do this , uncomment the sid line in sources.list temporarily, then recomment it out after |
| 13:32.11 | *** join/#debian kintaro0e (n=kintaro0@203.177.138.178) |
| 13:32.32 | enouf | norc: however - this pertains to pre-compiled binary pkgs .. not sure about just sources |
| 13:32.48 | norc | su |
| 13:32.54 | *** join/#debian raz0 (i=raz0@0x50a160cd.kd4nxx12.adsl-dhcp.tele.dk) |
| 13:32.55 | norc | ah, wrong terminal. :-) |
| 13:32.56 | norc | heh |
| 13:32.56 | enouf | su su sudio? |
| 13:33.01 | SerajewelKS | enouf, stew: the clock finally synced up... guess chrony just turned itself off |
| 13:33.14 | enouf | SerajewelKS: hehe ... ok .. that works |
| 13:33.21 | *** join/#debian Miesco (n=shawn@bas2-toronto12-1168024121.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 13:33.32 | SerajewelKS | enouf: yeah, weird =) |
| 13:33.42 | Miesco | What package is the x font called 'console' in? |
| 13:33.52 | *** join/#debian jindal (i=yrpnbe@h678631.serverkompetenz.net) |
| 13:33.52 | enouf | SerajewelKS: gotta love the ghost in the machine ..eh? |
| 13:34.06 | *** join/#debian imaSpy (n=dslieker@adsl-69-235-19-214.dsl.irvnca.pacbell.net) |
| 13:34.41 | SerajewelKS | enouf: the phantom of the box is here inside my /dev/null! |
| 13:34.51 | *** join/#debian tarik (n=tarik@ppp201-13.vdial.verat.net) |
| 13:34.55 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 13:35.00 | DrHOUSE | enouf: "su su sudio" what did that mean anyway ? i never knew |
| 13:35.08 | DrHOUSE | (in the song) |
| 13:35.18 | norc | Oh noes.. im screwed.. |
| 13:35.19 | enouf | DrHOUSE: yes the Phil Collins song |
| 13:35.25 | *** join/#debian mk3y (n=mkey@pD9E37B5A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 13:35.28 | norc | cannot connect anymore to my server, and I have only one terminal open |
| 13:35.39 | norc | Connection closed is what I get with ssh :o |
| 13:35.47 | enouf | DrHOUSE: oh .. the meaning? .. never knew .. but I'm sure you can look it up |
| 13:36.03 | enouf | DrHOUSE: some newspaper reference ??? |
| 13:36.05 | DrHOUSE | enouf: i guess you're like me... >30 =) |
| 13:36.14 | enouf | DrHOUSE: absoltively |
| 13:36.19 | enouf | -l |
| 13:36.48 | norc | I guess thats not good :( |
| 13:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
| 13:38.04 | Jimmymaniac | Hi. question: a computer i was helping with last night couldn't use dhcp. "pump -i eth0" would return "operation failed" immediately. Now i'm thinking, couldve been some permissions problem? the guy's know to do weird stuff on that box, so i can't discard that |
| 13:38.10 | norc | mhm.. accidently killed sshd .. alright.. think I have a problem now :)= |
| 13:38.30 | enouf | Appearing on VH1's Storytellers, Collins has said that "Sussudio" is an imaginary girl's name. The song is about having a crush on someone when young. He used "Sussudio" as a name to symbolize any girl |
| 13:38.44 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: was eth0 up? |
| 13:38.45 | enouf | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sussudio |
| 13:38.51 | DrHOUSE | =) |
| 13:39.12 | enouf | oh ..baby! |
| 13:39.12 | *** join/#debian kml_ (n=meng@gateway.penguincomputing.com) |
| 13:39.17 | *** join/#debian khaije_ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 13:39.19 | *** join/#debian soultan (i=sultan@power.fox-host.net) |
| 13:39.35 | DrHOUSE | Jimmymaniac: did you edit /etc/network/interfaces for dhcp ? |
| 13:39.38 | abrotman | enouf: he needs a deb-src line |
| 13:39.47 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: well, it was listed on /etc/network/interfaces as dhcp, but it would fail to come up |
| 13:39.51 | enouf | abrotman: please intercede |
| 13:39.57 | abrotman | with who ? |
| 13:40.07 | enouf | abrotman: norc |
| 13:40.13 | abrotman | enouf: he killed ssh .. he's got bigger problems now :) |
| 13:40.21 | enouf | abrotman: hehe |
| 13:40.23 | Jimmymaniac | when using ifconfig -a it would appear, but couldn't get an address and stuff |
| 13:40.29 | abrotman | enouf: for future reference .. /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 13:40.36 | enouf | right |
| 13:40.37 | jindal | hullo guys, wanna run virtual machines on xen tried a lot wid various kernels and hypervisors but only one worked (on unstable 2.6.17-2-xen-686xen-3.0-unstable-1-i386.gz) dat panicked after some time on running a domU...... plz suggest some a stable combination for 686 |
| 13:40.50 | Miesco | What is a good font for xterm? |
| 13:40.56 | Braindead | terminus |
| 13:41.07 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: did you do ifconfig eth0 up before running pump? |
| 13:41.17 | enouf | abrotman: i think cydork originally did .. norc tried it .. came back later wirth an error .. I tried to follow up <the end> |
| 13:41.32 | abrotman | norc: what did you break ? |
| 13:41.34 | norc | well, I have some rescue system taht can re-install the os :) |
| 13:41.35 | enouf | haha |
| 13:42.09 | norc | I felt it was the right thing to do when I typed `killall -9 sshd' |
| 13:42.12 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: did it once, but failed, then i did /etc/init.d/networking restart hoping it'd do anything it needed |
| 13:42.20 | norc | and somehow my ssh connection was closed.. and I realized that I did something bad |
| 13:42.41 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: is this by any chance sid or etch? |
| 13:42.58 | Jimmymaniac | it isn't a hardware failure because it'd work when booting from a livecd, browsed the web and all |
| 13:43.02 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: sarge |
| 13:43.28 | *** join/#debian jcwong (n=catalyst@unaffiliated/jcwong) |
| 13:43.31 | *** join/#debian SHS` (i=SHS_@phpbb/manager/SHS) |
| 13:43.34 | *** join/#debian khaije___ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 13:43.45 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: of course, the guy does muck around with the box, dunno what the heck he did before i was there |
| 13:43.55 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: has it ever worked before? |
| 13:46.17 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: The guy was using another PC as his firewall, but that one died. So we just plugged an ethernet card on his main box and connected the cablemodem to it. |
| 13:46.28 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: before that it was just using static ips |
| 13:46.38 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: first time it used dhcp ever |
| 13:46.40 | DrHOUSE | enouf: thanx to you i'm listening (again) to the .ogg of a song that made it to 24 on VH1's "50 Most Awesomely Bad Songs Ever" |
| 13:47.00 | DrHOUSE | i can't believe there a wikipedia entry just for that song... |
| 13:47.12 | enouf | DrHOUSE: haha! .. It's sooooooo repetitive |
| 13:47.24 | enouf | DrHOUSE: dat to |
| 13:47.51 | cydork | DrHOUSE: wikipedia has lot of stupid stuff :) |
| 13:47.52 | *** join/#debian no0obie (n=no0obie@87.86.215.3) |
| 13:48.08 | no0obie | hey guys |
| 13:48.20 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: what is the kernel? 2.4, 2.6, debian or custom? |
| 13:48.26 | enouf | Between him (solo) and Genesis - there's soo many nicer somgs to listen to .. even with Peter Gabriel |
| 13:48.28 | no0obie | anybody know of any well written document on how to install debian from scratch? |
| 13:48.35 | enouf | songs* |
| 13:48.43 | enouf | !install |
| 13:48.43 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 13:48.44 | tralala | !ig no0obie |
| 13:48.51 | cydork | !tell no0obie about ig |
| 13:49.06 | enouf | doh...install .. "guide" |
| 13:49.11 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: a 2.4 kernel, hasn't updated it since he installed it a while ago |
| 13:49.13 | *** join/#debian khaije__ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 13:49.53 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: maybe the nic is not well supported by 2.4. I suggest you to upgrade it. |
| 13:50.50 | Jimmymaniac | tralala: it's an old ne2k pci reltek rtl8029, well suppored since the 2.2 days, that shouldn't be it |
| 13:51.16 | no0obie | enouf, am not sure this would help |
| 13:51.24 | no0obie | i already have the kernel installed |
| 13:51.27 | enouf | cydork: simonrvn : see the way <install guide> can be shortened to 'ig' .. can we do the same for <Be a reading barbie> ? .. ala !barb ? |
| 13:51.30 | no0obie | and i need to start building on top of that |
| 13:51.31 | *** join/#debian azol (n=artem@ppp132-89.tis-dialog.ru) |
| 13:51.38 | tralala | Jimmymaniac: it's worthed the try though. If you say it works with a livecd (which is likely having 2.6). |
| 13:52.02 | *** join/#debian Mitja (n=Mitja@unaffiliated/mitja) |
| 13:52.46 | tralala | !d-i no0obie |
| 13:52.47 | dpkg | no0obie, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ or http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ if you've got hardware that the 3.1r3 installer doesn't support - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 13:52.47 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 13:52.48 | cydork | enouf: na it looses it humer then :P |
| 13:53.13 | soultan | hello i'm an art student doing some research on your wonderful operating system |
| 13:53.15 | enouf | cydork: but it "fits" and is so much shorter to type! |
| 13:53.19 | soultan | would anybody mind showing me their system startup message? as well as other text output that might show me how it's like to use debian? |
| 13:53.38 | enouf | cydork: I'm going to tell RMS you're against recursive acronyms !! |
| 13:53.46 | no0obie | cool |
| 13:53.48 | no0obie | thnx for the hlep |
| 13:54.10 | *** join/#debian Cybodog (n=Underdog@adsl-70-137-5-92.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 13:54.13 | *** part/#debian tarik (n=tarik@ppp201-13.vdial.verat.net) |
| 13:54.19 | enouf | no0obie: that was mentioned in the first factoid dpkg told you about |
| 13:54.20 | cydork | soultan: start up message?? |
| 13:54.53 | tralala | soultan: suppose you search for debian screenshots in google. What do you think would happen? |
| 13:55.16 | azol | hi all. is ftp.debian.org currently dead? |
| 13:55.21 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@87.193.5.174) |
| 13:55.23 | *** part/#debian Cybodog (n=Underdog@adsl-70-137-5-92.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 13:55.32 | enouf | no0obie: for what it's worth .. you can always do this in your irc client -=-> ' /msg dpkg d-i ' as an example - to obtain info about any factoid |
| 13:55.55 | streuner | PING ftp.debian.org (128.101.240.212): 56 data bytes |
| 13:56.04 | streuner | 1 packets transmitted, 1 packets received, 0% packet loss |
| 13:56.05 | *** join/#debian tlivingston (n=Tim@rrcs-24-97-168-213.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 13:56.08 | tralala | azol: it replies to pings |
| 13:57.03 | soultan | tralala: i'd really prefer text only |
| 13:57.06 | soultan | can't somebody paste one on http://paste.husk.org or something? |
| 13:57.17 | no0obie | enouf, right... so i know what factoid is but what is obtain again? :P |
| 13:57.21 | *** join/#debian v|p3r (n=pdiablo@230-215.static.dedicado.com.uy) |
| 13:57.41 | enouf | !nickometer no0obie |
| 13:57.43 | dpkg | 'no0obie' is 22.000% lame, enouf |
| 13:58.00 | enouf | :-p |
| 13:58.03 | *** join/#debian diilbertAtWork (n=icechat5@mctnnbsa24w-142167053136.pppoe-dynamic.nb.aliant.net) |
| 13:58.13 | cydork | soultan: we have no idea what are you talking about .. atleast i dont :P |
| 13:58.16 | *** join/#debian nico_ (i=nico@86.68.204.253) |
| 13:58.29 | no0obie | yeah me neither |
| 13:58.34 | no0obie | whart r u talking about? :P |
| 13:58.38 | diilbertAtWork | Anyone familar with setting up vsftpd on debian ? I am having a bit of an issue allowing local users to login |
| 13:59.26 | no0obie | ask enouf he seems to know a lot :P |
| 13:59.30 | zamuro | diilbertAtWork: Why don't you use proftpd? |
| 13:59.53 | Rhizome | diilbertAtWork: per default you have to create your own users, I think |
| 14:00.07 | diilbertAtWork | <zamuro>: I am using vsftpd on my gentoo server and thought it would be just as easy to use it on my debian box as well |
| 14:00.15 | Rhizome | probably easily figured out by mounting eyes on manual ;) |
| 14:00.19 | zamuro | Rhizome: Nope... vsftpd uses local users if configured. |
| 14:00.30 | enouf | soultan: explain more clearly what you'd like to know .. a dmesg output? |
| 14:00.42 | zamuro | diilbertAtWork: proftpd is more secure and just asl easy as vsftpd |
| 14:00.46 | Rhizome | zamuro: yea thats what I meant. |
| 14:01.00 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: it should auth from passwd |
| 14:01.09 | diilbertAtWork | <zamuro>: I set the local_enable=YES |
| 14:01.10 | *** join/#debian sprink_ (n=sprink@242-41.125-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 14:01.24 | soultan | i am really just interested in gathering as much text output as possible so i can form an idea of how information is structured ... |
| 14:01.29 | soultan | please man |
| 14:01.43 | diilbertAtWork | I am thinking there is a PAM problem of some sort so it is not authenticating right |
| 14:02.04 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: that is what I thought |
| 14:02.07 | zamuro | diilbertAtWork: Users need to have a real shell access. |
| 14:02.14 | zamuro | That might be the problem. |
| 14:02.14 | vi-config | I didn't install an ftp daemon, but I can sftp login to my ssh port. Is this secure? |
| 14:02.17 | diilbertAtWork | they do |
| 14:02.19 | enouf | soultan: go to en.wikipedia.org and type in "bits" and "bytes" and whatever else you'd like .. alos see google.com |
| 14:02.42 | vi-config | er, is this o.k. for multiusers |
| 14:02.46 | zamuro | vi-config: is sftp a client? |
| 14:02.50 | *** join/#debian roue (n=roue@afterthought.ACS.Carleton.edu) |
| 14:02.57 | soultan | wtf man |
| 14:03.00 | *** join/#debian mdo (n=13h7@p508A27C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:03.01 | cydork | vi-config: sftp is nothing but ftp like interface for ssh |
| 14:03.02 | vi-config | it's a client-based protocol |
| 14:03.03 | abrotman | checked the logs ? |
| 14:03.03 | soultan | i just want to see some damn text |
| 14:03.04 | cydork | !sftp |
| 14:03.04 | dpkg | methinks sftp is a program that provides ftp-like functionality over an ssh2 tunnel. "apt-get install ssh". see http://winscp.net/ for a windows sftp client |
| 14:03.23 | zamuro | vi-config: I use gftp for log into ssh accounts. |
| 14:03.27 | enouf | soultan: this is Debian specific irc channel .. please ask Debian related questions only .. thank you |
| 14:03.28 | Braindead | soultan: want some text? here it is 8======> |
| 14:03.28 | cydork | vi-config: so it is as secure as ssh i guess :P |
| 14:03.29 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: which ones ? |
| 14:03.30 | zamuro | Works like a charm |
| 14:03.44 | tralala | soultan: perhaps we'll be able to help if you tell us what are you really looking for. Don't make be beg you, will you? |
| 14:03.55 | enouf | !ask |
| 14:03.55 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 14:04.05 | enouf | soultan: ^^ |
| 14:04.06 | vi-config | yeah, just the multiuser setup has me wondering if I shouldn't use an actual ftp daemon |
| 14:04.11 | soultan | enouf: like http://kaoru.asyd.net/~asyd/dedibox-solaris.txt |
| 14:04.22 | soultan | tralala: i am looking for debian's system startup message |
| 14:04.29 | soultan | (what is known as the dmesg in the unix world) |
| 14:04.55 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: messages and syslog .. might be a vsftpd log too |
| 14:04.57 | keith80403 | soultan, dmesg works on this sarge machine. Where don't you see it, and expect to? |
| 14:05.06 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: i normally use proftpd |
| 14:05.07 | enouf | soultan: like this http://www.google.com/search?q=dmesg+%22output%22+Debian&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8 |
| 14:05.39 | cydork | enouf: use fuckinggoogleit.com next time ;) |
| 14:05.50 | enouf | !fgi |
| 14:05.50 | dpkg | somebody said fgi was http://www.fuckinggoogleit.com/ and see http://www.moule.org/images/image-medium.html#current=bart-704x528.jpg |
| 14:05.52 | tralala | soultan: dmesg of any linux distro will give you almost the same output |
| 14:06.05 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: I think I am just going to install proftpd... I have used it before as well, but when testing software for my server, vsftpd was the best optiona t the time... I can't even remember why |
| 14:06.10 | enouf | cydork: see how easy that was to type? |
| 14:06.21 | enouf | cydork: like !barb would be |
| 14:06.22 | soultan | tralala: PLEASE |
| 14:06.25 | soultan | can't you just show me |
| 14:06.36 | enouf | soultan: please stop |
| 14:06.44 | soultan | why do you have to make it so darn difficult |
| 14:07.23 | Braindead | soultan: dmesg and bootlogd output are not the same thing. btw what you're asking quite can't make sense at all. can't you play with clay and play-doh like any other art student? |
| 14:07.41 | Braindead | and get high on experimental drugs too...wait now I get why you asked the question |
| 14:07.46 | soultan | funny |
| 14:08.03 | soultan | no art revolves around the creation of things |
| 14:08.04 | tralala | soultan: http://rafb.net/paste/results/tc9TaP95.html |
| 14:08.06 | doublehp | how do I install vlc on etch ? /msg dpkg nor http://www.videolan.org/vlc/download-debian.html could help me; I still have non-installable deps. |
| 14:08.09 | soultan | thanks tralala |
| 14:08.11 | soultan | thanks a lot man |
| 14:08.21 | stew | Braindead: take it easy |
| 14:08.28 | enouf | tralala: copied one from google .. hehe |
| 14:08.37 | *** join/#debian byebyeworld (n=byebyewo@210.77.8.25) |
| 14:08.39 | tralala | enouf: :) |
| 14:09.01 | Braindead | stew: can I lick toads and then come back to ask you a picture of how you arrange your pubic hair? just hair,no penis thanks. it's for a art project |
| 14:09.06 | soultan | tralala: your system is from 2005? |
| 14:09.15 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:09.15 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it] by stew |
| 14:09.15 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:09.22 | stew | Braindead: you've been silenced for 10 minutes |
| 14:09.41 | diilbertAtWork | "Could not open host localhost: username and/or password was not accepted for login" This is the same error I got when using vsftpd (I now have proftpd installed) |
| 14:09.51 | *** join/#debian fasta (n=fasta@zonnebloem.demon.nl) |
| 14:09.59 | byebyeworld | i met some strage problem, when i installed boost, rebooted, and start kdm, but after i input the name and password, it still can not log in, why? |
| 14:10.19 | fasta | Are normal users supposed to be able to read the mail logs? Or the mail server logs? |
| 14:10.41 | *** join/#debian blujay (n=first@adsl-68-95-130-76.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) |
| 14:10.47 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 14:10.47 | byebyeworld | can anyone help me? |
| 14:11.21 | Adrian2 | What is the user name for "expert" ssh remote install over console (using the component "network-console") |
| 14:11.49 | tralala | soultan: you're looking at the compiler version information |
| 14:12.11 | tralala | or the kernel perhaps |
| 14:12.24 | *** join/#debian lightyear (n=lightyea@p548757F7.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 14:12.54 | tralala | Adrian2: is it missing in the installation guide? |
| 14:13.18 | *** join/#debian awais (n=awais@neteng-154.cableinet.net) |
| 14:13.31 | diilbertAtWork | Any takers ? |
| 14:13.41 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: firewall ? |
| 14:13.48 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: is ftpd even listening ? |
| 14:13.49 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 14:13.54 | byebyeworld | can anyone help me ? |
| 14:14.09 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: yes and yes... I am just using localhost now |
| 14:14.11 | soultan | the kernel tralala |
| 14:14.22 | soultan | and thanks |
| 14:14.26 | *** join/#debian Filbert (n=filbert@d54C14421.access.telenet.be) |
| 14:14.26 | tralala | sure |
| 14:14.27 | soultan | but why is your system from 2005? |
| 14:14.31 | soultan | we're approaching 2007 now man |
| 14:14.43 | tralala | soultan: see debian.org |
| 14:14.51 | diilbertAtWork | Even with the firewall off I get the same results |
| 14:15.04 | diilbertAtWork | I am testing with ncftp by the way... if that matters |
| 14:15.13 | soultan | what would i be looking for? |
| 14:15.25 | enouf | tralala: back to the future? |
| 14:15.34 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: is it a public IP ? |
| 14:16.02 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: that's the error you get inteh logs or in your ftp client ? |
| 14:16.55 | *** join/#debian Bulldog (n=Bulldog@011.254.dsl.concepts.nl) |
| 14:17.18 | tralala | soultan: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/ |
| 14:17.18 | azeem | soultan: what year is Windows XP from? |
| 14:17.34 | abrotman | 2001! |
| 14:17.39 | abrotman | sorry :( |
| 14:17.56 | tralala | oh, no! |
| 14:18.16 | abrotman | can i get a pony ? |
| 14:18.20 | fasta | What are the standard permissions on /var/log/mail.log and /var/log/exim4/mainlog? |
| 14:18.23 | enouf | !pony abrotman |
| 14:18.23 | stew | !nopony abrotman |
| 14:18.24 | dpkg | abrotman: http://sc.tri-bit.com/images/2/23/pony.jpg |
| 14:18.38 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: client error and I am using localhost (127.0.0.1) as my connecting IP from the box itself |
| 14:18.38 | *** join/#debian bcmmason (n=mason@70.89.178.179) |
| 14:18.42 | diilbertAtWork | not remotely |
| 14:18.46 | soultan | :D |
| 14:18.47 | *** join/#debian tolsen (n=tim@dsl254-098-153.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:19.01 | diilbertAtWork | And I know the user has shell access because I am logged in remotely now |
| 14:19.11 | cydork | diilbertAtWork: check the server log then. |
| 14:19.37 | kml_ | hi, if lilo.conf shows boot=/dev/sdb the system bios setting must be set to from sdb drive, right? |
| 14:19.42 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 14:19.43 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it] by stew |
| 14:19.43 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 14:19.47 | Adrian2 | tralala, i rebooted the machine and did the first part of the installation again. The user name is "installer" .. I had overread it on an information screen and the screen was not visible anymore. |
| 14:19.47 | Bhavesh | i asked this question in postfix but no one was alive to answer it.. how can i block a domain from sending email in postfix? i.e. *.ru, *.jp *.rima-tde.net? |
| 14:20.14 | abrotman | NOPONY! |
| 14:20.30 | cydork | !comfort abrotman |
| 14:20.30 | dpkg | There, there, abrotman. It's OK. I'm here for you. |
| 14:20.31 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: is the shell in /etc/shells ? |
| 14:20.47 | abrotman | Bhavesh: you mean block from reciving ? |
| 14:20.49 | enouf | kml_: only if you have other booable drives/media in front of it... listed in the BIOS's Boot Order |
| 14:20.55 | abrotman | nice typing skills there ... |
| 14:21.04 | *** join/#debian Guyver (n=guyver@203.144.75.121) |
| 14:21.44 | enouf | kml_: IOW .. if I have CDROM as first in the boot order and I place a bootable cdrom in the drive and boot the machine .. it'll boot to CD |
| 14:22.13 | tralala | Adrian2: I see |
| 14:22.27 | enouf | kml_: there are situations where a PCI IDE card's BIOS and/or a Network boot option may interfere as well |
| 14:22.56 | enouf | kml_: and even raid controller cards |
| 14:22.56 | kml_ | enouf: cdrom pxe and two 3ware cards with raid1 array sda (root disk) and sdb (data disk) |
| 14:24.09 | *** join/#debian Blissex (n=Blissex@82-69-39-138.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 14:24.11 | enouf | kml_: in that situation, I'd place sdb as first in the boot order (or 2nd .. after CDROM ) .. just so you can booot to cdrom without having to enter the BIOS all the time .. just don;t leave a bootable cdrom in the drom drive |
| 14:24.38 | *** join/#debian ChrisBradley (n=ChrisBra@unaffiliated/chrisbradley) |
| 14:24.42 | *** join/#debian PDani (n=pdani@pdani.sch.bme.hu) |
| 14:25.27 | *** join/#debian d0uglas (i=503fd615@69.72.153.122) |
| 14:25.30 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: What exactly do you mean ? |
| 14:25.31 | Bhavesh | abrotman: yes block at the time of SMTP transaction |
| 14:26.08 | diilbertAtWork | I am using bash and it is in the shells file |
| 14:26.10 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: ftp requires a valid shell |
| 14:26.12 | abrotman | ok .. just making sure |
| 14:26.31 | diilbertAtWork | Which log is used by proftpd |
| 14:26.36 | Bhavesh | i been getting email from *.pl addresses and some how they are escaping spam check |
| 14:26.40 | enouf | kml_: I'm not too familiar with lilo .. but where;s your /boot and lilo.conf files located? ..if on / ...then sda instead |
| 14:26.54 | diilbertAtWork | vsftpd uses vsftpd.log so it is easy to figure out |
| 14:28.17 | abrotman | auth.log |
| 14:29.57 | *** join/#debian the_Cat (n=jgrund@195-67-250-138-o294.telia.com) |
| 14:29.58 | *** join/#debian PleAt44 (n=exact@ip68-2-76-164.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 14:30.22 | *** join/#debian Pool_ (n=Drop@ppp-70-251-55-57.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net) |
| 14:30.43 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: So I get an invaild shell error in the server log... what do I do with that ? |
| 14:31.06 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: make it a valid shell :) |
| 14:31.18 | *** join/#debian catalan (n=tomek@chello084010143052.chello.pl) |
| 14:31.21 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: create a new temp user .. try it .. (remember to remove the user) |
| 14:31.30 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: Is it the nobody account the server is running as or the logging in user ? |
| 14:31.53 | abrotman | i would guess the user |
| 14:32.12 | diilbertAtWork | How I am logging otherwise without a vaild shell ? |
| 14:32.19 | diilbertAtWork | And how do I set my shell |
| 14:32.26 | abrotman | /etc/passwd |
| 14:32.34 | abrotman | assuming you're using that to auth against |
| 14:32.38 | *** join/#debian geemark (n=geemark@daimi-pat.daimi.au.dk) |
| 14:32.38 | glitch- | sup abrotman |
| 14:32.41 | abrotman | hi |
| 14:33.01 | *** join/#debian pickcoder (n=blah@gateway.all-spec.com) |
| 14:33.46 | pickcoder | automsgs irritate me... |
| 14:33.48 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: did you do anything funny to lock the machine down ? |
| 14:34.17 | diilbertAtWork | abrotman: nope... but I did a usermod -s /bin/bash [username] and it fixed it... thanks ;) |
| 14:34.28 | glitch- | pickcoder:dsable |
| 14:35.06 | diamond_ | Hiya fellows |
| 14:35.12 | diamond_ | how can i remove dbmail from my debian os |
| 14:35.30 | pickcoder | glitch-: ? |
| 14:35.45 | diamond_ | apt-get remove dbmail will give errors and don't remove it completly |
| 14:35.56 | azeem | diamond_: paste the errors to a pastebin, as usual |
| 14:35.58 | doublehp | after running alsaconf, alsamixer still complains: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device; how to configure this properly ? |
| 14:36.13 | diamond_ | E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
| 14:36.16 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: all that for a shell! |
| 14:36.19 | diamond_ | thats the error |
| 14:36.29 | diilbertAtWork | no kiddinh |
| 14:36.46 | diilbertAtWork | I am going to put vsftpd back on now that I know what the problem was lol |
| 14:36.50 | diamond_ | http://pastebin.ca/199439 |
| 14:36.53 | diamond_ | azeem |
| 14:38.05 | azeem | diamond_: find out which package log_daemon_msg is from and install that |
| 14:38.10 | azeem | probably something lsb related |
| 14:38.20 | abrotman | diilbertAtWork: okeedokee .. enjoy |
| 14:40.30 | *** join/#debian x-demon (n=xdemon@122.nat.tascom.ru) |
| 14:40.34 | x-demon | hi all |
| 14:40.45 | Bhavesh | i don't like some ISP that don't even reply to your abuse complaints |
| 14:40.52 | x-demon | i need debian-based LIveCD with apt-get support |
| 14:41.24 | cydork | x-demon: live.debian.net |
| 14:41.56 | x-demon | join #debian-live |
| 14:42.02 | x-demon | oh sorry |
| 14:42.10 | diamond_ | azeem : what do you mean ? i am new with linux so could you abit preceiser :P |
| 14:42.27 | azeem | diamond_: if you're new, why do you install dbmail? |
| 14:42.36 | azeem | !search |
| 14:42.37 | dpkg | it has been said that search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 14:42.41 | x-demon | is it have KDE preconfigured? |
| 14:42.46 | *** join/#debian FalscherHase (n=1000@sd-45.stud.uni-potsdam.de) |
| 14:43.26 | diamond_ | azeem : i installed dbmail because the howto says it |
| 14:43.37 | diamond_ | now i am going for dovecot |
| 14:43.43 | azeem | diamond_: then don't follow random howtos |
| 14:43.45 | cydork | x-demon: check it out! :P |
| 14:43.53 | diamond_ | dbmail is to complicated |
| 14:44.14 | diamond_ | azeem : where must i found the log_deamon_msg ? |
| 14:44.24 | *** join/#debian dhuv (n=dhuv@pool-71-250-189-173.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:44.24 | x-demon | knoppix ia good... but it hasnt apt-get |
| 14:44.27 | dhuv | hello all |
| 14:44.30 | azeem | diamond_: read through the search factoid dpkg quoted above |
| 14:44.43 | doublehp | x-demon: it does |
| 14:44.47 | x-demon | hmm |
| 14:45.23 | *** join/#debian isaque (n=isaque@208.24.179.27) |
| 14:45.23 | azeem | diamond_: or edit /var/log/dpkg/info/dbmail.*rm to not call log_deamon_msg |
| 14:45.27 | *** join/#debian fireba11 (n=Miranda@p549590E4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:46.17 | x-demon | oh |
| 14:46.24 | x-demon | one more question |
| 14:46.52 | doublehp | x-demon: before assuming false things, did you check them ? |
| 14:46.59 | cydork | diamond_: what happens if you do /etc/init.d/dbmail stop ? |
| 14:47.00 | dhuv | I am trying to remove an old .mozilla directory from my home directory but I cannot because of a file, doing a ls -al shows this "?--------- ? ? ? ? ? prefs.js" |
| 14:47.07 | dhuv | first time I have seen this |
| 14:47.10 | cydork | dhuv: reiserfs? |
| 14:47.13 | dhuv | yes |
| 14:47.15 | x-demon | yes |
| 14:47.18 | azeem | dhuv: corrupted file system |
| 14:47.20 | doublehp | CyberMad: nothing harmfull |
| 14:47.22 | dhuv | ahhh |
| 14:47.27 | x-demon | doublehp: i doesnt see it now... |
| 14:47.29 | wols_ | dhuv: use midnight commander to delete it |
| 14:47.33 | dhuv | azeem: from your experience, is xfs good? |
| 14:47.37 | x-demon | oh no... i see... sorry... |
| 14:47.49 | doublehp | x-demon: fact is ... you car run it, but changes are likely to be lost after reboot |
| 14:47.51 | *** join/#debian factorx (n=asdf@dslb-084-061-023-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 14:47.59 | x-demon | ohhh |
| 14:48.08 | x-demon | i install it on usb stick |
| 14:48.12 | azeem | dhuv: eh? use ext3 |
| 14:48.15 | *** join/#debian Fox_1_ (n=1@xalt.xter.net) |
| 14:48.17 | diamond_ | cydork : /etc/init.d/dbmail: line 146: log_daemon_msg: command not foun |
| 14:48.24 | *** join/#debian triplc (n=triplc@222.252.33.177) |
| 14:48.24 | diamond_ | ;/ |
| 14:48.43 | doublehp | x-demon: if it had-nt, it could not allow to install new packages and process upgrades after installing it on HDD as detailed in the FAQs ! Thats why it has it, but unusable on Ds |
| 14:48.48 | doublehp | CD |
| 14:48.50 | cydork | diamond_: edit it that file then :P is that sid?? |
| 14:49.39 | doublehp | dhuv: xfs or XFS ? |
| 14:49.39 | x-demon | but... can i install knoppix on usb stick and save changes after reboot? |
| 14:49.47 | *** join/#debian XSoul (n=XRule@tooms.ddns.cablebg.net) |
| 14:49.50 | x-demon | join #linux-ru |
| 14:49.52 | x-demon | ohh |
| 14:49.55 | x-demon | damn |
| 14:49.57 | doublehp | x-demon: in some circumstances, yes |
| 14:50.07 | dhuv | doublehp: is there a difference? I guess it would be XFS (the filesystem) |
| 14:50.20 | triplc | hi all |
| 14:50.22 | *** part/#debian fasta (n=fasta@zonnebloem.demon.nl) |
| 14:50.28 | doublehp | dhuv: x font server / eXtended File System |
| 14:50.40 | diamond_ | cydork : this is whats on that line http://pastebin.ca/199452 |
| 14:51.10 | x-demon | doublehp: if i use KLIK? |
| 14:51.11 | Bhavesh | would a 1GB USB Flash drive be enough to occasionally boot from for debian? |
| 14:51.24 | cydork | x-demon: is that sid? |
| 14:51.26 | doublehp | dhuv: second is very nice, but may lead to bad things if you dont have UPS. Gentoo people recommend EXT3; I had very bad XP with XFS on system that encontoured frequent power loss (bad electric plugs, damaged battery in laptop ...) |
| 14:51.45 | x-demon | cydork: it knoppix |
| 14:51.58 | doublehp | x-demon: dont know KLIL |
| 14:52.11 | doublehp | dhuv: fs has all caps; daemon has mins. |
| 14:52.14 | cydork | x-demon: sorry i meant diamond_ :P |
| 14:52.17 | dhuv | azeem: mc gave the same error |
| 14:52.20 | cydork | diamond_: is that sid? |
| 14:52.27 | x-demon | cydork: np |
| 14:52.29 | *** join/#debian khaije_ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 14:52.29 | dhuv | doublehp: I see, thanks. |
| 14:52.43 | diamond_ | cydork : sid ? |
| 14:52.46 | dhuv | doublehp: what about ReiserFS |
| 14:52.46 | x-demon | doublehp: http://klik.atekon.de/ |
| 14:52.47 | azeem | dhuv: sure, because your file system is corrupted |
| 14:52.50 | cydork | diamond_: unstable |
| 14:53.05 | dhuv | azeem: so a reformat is the only way to fix this? |
| 14:53.24 | dhuv | there is no way to just chuck the file or fix the corruption? |
| 14:53.30 | azeem | dhuv: well, it's the only way to fix using reiserfs |
| 14:53.33 | diamond_ | cydork : nope it isn't |
| 14:53.37 | azeem | you can try the reiserfs recovery tools |
| 14:53.41 | azeem | I never used reiserfs |
| 14:53.46 | doublehp | dhuv: in practice, there is a time where, in XFS, a file may be said to be longer than it is, cause XFS updates journal before actually allocatinf file room; ext3 updates journal and file allocation in the same sync |
| 14:53.49 | azeem | dhuv: better backup the rest of your data first |
| 14:54.30 | dhuv | azeem: ofcourse, always backed up |
| 14:54.42 | cydork | diamond_: then check if /lib/lsb/init-functions has log_daemon_msg |
| 14:55.05 | doublehp | dhuv: in both case data may be lost; but with xfs, if you have a failure in between, then journal does not match AT ALL inodes ... and ended several times in "file deletion", or getting 0x00 all over the file (had over 100 power failures before this happens first) |
| 14:55.14 | dhuv | since I am going to do a format I am thinking about trying out gnome. I like a lot of their applications |
| 14:55.28 | doublehp | dhuv: ext3 is said ti resist this problem, the only one I had with XFS :D |
| 14:55.30 | cydork | diamond_: and also check if /etc/init.d/dbmail has that line containing /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 14:55.51 | azeem | dhuv: is this a server, or your personal desktop? |
| 14:55.53 | dhuv | doublehp: 100 power failures? |
| 14:56.12 | dhuv | azeem: this is my laptop |
| 14:56.13 | doublehp | dhuv: bah ... *yes* :s |
| 14:56.24 | doublehp | dhuv: some box had over 100 per year |
| 14:56.24 | azeem | dhuv: then use ext3, end of discussion |
| 14:56.29 | dhuv | thats why I have a .mozilla directory :) |
| 14:56.39 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 14:56.42 | azeem | dhuv: it could be an application server |
| 14:56.55 | dhuv | azeem: yeah true |
| 14:57.03 | x-demon | how i can save changes after rebooting from LiveUSB? |
| 14:57.16 | azeem | x-demon: if this is about knoppix, please ask in #knoopix |
| 14:57.17 | doublehp | dhuv: a laptop should be apriori protected against this, so I kept XFS on it ... until I had a glitch in battery connector ... then lost more data daily. |
| 14:57.17 | *** join/#debian Tallen (n=Tallen@pdpc/supporter/active/Tallen) |
| 14:57.20 | azeem | eh, #knoppix |
| 14:57.26 | cydork | x-demon: best way is install debian on usb disk :P |
| 14:57.51 | *** join/#debian Kage (i=Kage@pool-141-153-89-110.clrk.east.verizon.net) |
| 14:58.04 | *** join/#debian zzz (i=csaba198@caracas-4496.adsl.interware.hu) |
| 14:58.05 | diamond_ | could find anything azeem |
| 14:58.11 | *** join/#debian smhar (n=salman@217.17.243.202) |
| 14:58.49 | x-demon | i have only 1 gb stick |
| 14:58.50 | *** join/#debian Adrian_S (n=Adrian@d2-232.dip.axsp.de) |
| 14:58.56 | *** part/#debian Tallen (n=Tallen@pdpc/supporter/active/Tallen) |
| 14:58.58 | grendal_prime | mthrfkr i just got spamed.. |
| 14:59.02 | diamond_ | azeem : why do i need to teekl |
| 14:59.03 | diamond_ | tell |
| 14:59.05 | grendal_prime | by PleAt44 |
| 14:59.17 | *** join/#debian bmalee (n=bma@82-46-50-54.cable.ubr11.newt.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 14:59.22 | *** part/#debian azeem (n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 14:59.22 | *** join/#debian azeem (n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de) |
| 14:59.39 | cydork | diamond_: did you check what i said? |
| 14:59.42 | *** join/#debian nosklo (n=nosklo@unaffiliated/nosklo) |
| 14:59.46 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 14:59.47 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@ip68-2-76-164.ph.ph.cox.net] by azeem |
| 14:59.47 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:59.50 | *** mode/#debian [+o azeem] by ChanServ |
| 14:59.51 | *** kick/#debian [PleAt44!n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
| 14:59.51 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 14:59.58 | *** join/#debian ifireball (n=iearthba@IGLD-80-230-83-161.inter.net.il) |
| 15:00.07 | zzz | Hi! I' m trying to mount a loop device from fstab. Everything is fine, but can i give the password in the fstab file instead of typing it at every mount? (distro: sarge). |
| 15:00.52 | *** join/#debian Jonny` (n=Jonny@84.252.50.72.eth.ggbit.net) |
| 15:01.08 | dhuv | doublehp: I dont keep ANYTHING on my laptop that is critical, if I sync a copy of it to a server |
| 15:01.25 | no0obie | guys quick question |
| 15:01.25 | *** join/#debian ThomasPorter (n=no@220-245-65-38.static.tpgi.com.au) |
| 15:01.32 | no0obie | if i wanna apt-get install xserver |
| 15:01.35 | no0obie | whats the command? |
| 15:01.44 | stew | no0obie: apt-get install x-window-system-core |
| 15:01.44 | dhuv | you just typed it |
| 15:01.46 | Bhavesh | no0obie: you almost got it |
| 15:01.49 | azeem | dhuv: no |
| 15:01.52 | ThomasPorter | hello, i'm having hotmail troubles... when I send a message via PHP hotmail doesn't get the message.... via webmail its fine though? |
| 15:01.56 | *** part/#debian stew (i=1413@rrcs-72-43-105-66.nyc.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:01.56 | *** join/#debian stew (i=1413@rrcs-72-43-105-66.nyc.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:02.01 | azeem | no0obie: or run tasksel and choose the desktop task |
| 15:02.02 | doublehp | dhuv: I did not say I had no copy ... but laptop then relied on its backups ... |
| 15:02.11 | Bhavesh | stew: that was an extremly quick exit and reentry :) |
| 15:02.12 | diamond_ | cydork : i have checked should i paste everything into pastebin ? |
| 15:02.15 | diamond_ | don' |
| 15:02.18 | no0obie | is there a list of these commands somewhere? and what should preceed what? |
| 15:02.26 | diamond_ | don't know which lines i am looking for |
| 15:02.26 | cydork | diamond_: ya sure. |
| 15:02.28 | azeem | no0obie: use synaptic or aptitude |
| 15:02.36 | stew | Bhavesh: /help cycle ; i was looking to see if possibly there was another on-join spammer |
| 15:02.39 | dhuv | doublehp: you are right we should use things that dont go bad in the first place |
| 15:02.43 | azeem | no0obie: or as I said, tasksel, for easy use |
| 15:02.50 | Bhavesh | ohhh |
| 15:02.51 | no0obie | the x-window-system-once doesnt work |
| 15:03.02 | azeem | no0obie: -once? |
| 15:03.08 | Bhavesh | it's been a while since i have used /cycle command :) got so used to mirc |
| 15:03.08 | stew | no0obie: x-window-system-core |
| 15:03.29 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-134-50-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 15:03.29 | Bhavesh | no0obie: which branch of debian are you running, do you know? |
| 15:03.39 | stew | no0obie: do you want a particular desktop environment like kde or gnome or some specific window manager? |
| 15:03.49 | no0obie | i would prefer gnome |
| 15:03.51 | ThomasPorter | Go gnome.. |
| 15:03.53 | ThomasPorter | Yeah! |
| 15:03.57 | no0obie | so am guessing i would install x then gnome right |
| 15:04.07 | no0obie | coz i already did it the other way around :P |
| 15:04.11 | cydork | no0obie: then use tasksel and select the desktop env. |
| 15:04.34 | *** join/#debian livingtm (n=Tim@rrcs-24-97-168-213.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 15:04.40 | doublehp | dhuv: but ... in perfect world where bats dont fail, XFS would have been OK on my laptop ... problem is that we are in real world, where we shall define and anticipate what is likely to happen, and how frequent. |
| 15:05.15 | diamond_ | cydork : http://pastebin.ca/199473 |
| 15:06.10 | cydork | diamond_: check grep log_daemon_msg /lib/lsb/init-functions |
| 15:06.31 | *** join/#debian sputnick (n=w4m@unaffiliated/sputnick) |
| 15:06.51 | diamond_ | cydork : no results |
| 15:06.52 | *** join/#debian whatrevolution (n=stupid@c-69-139-116-56.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) |
| 15:07.35 | sputnick | hi there! is there someone can help me to configure the driver ralink r73 whith my dongle d-link DWL-G122 please ? |
| 15:07.35 | *** join/#debian norc (i=ogfvpil@p54856256.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:07.39 | cydork | diamond_: that's the problem. well just comment those lines which contain log_daemon_msg in the file which you pasted. and run apt again. |
| 15:07.41 | *** join/#debian Ninereeds (n=nineblue@T4064.t.pppool.de) |
| 15:07.55 | norc | having the same problem with locales again, but this time the solution with dpkg-reconfigure locales doesnt work: |
| 15:08.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 725] by debhelper |
| 15:08.05 | norc | perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). .. blah blah blah |
| 15:08.13 | cydork | diamond_: and i will like to know how there is no log_daemon_msg in your /lib/lsb/init-functions ? :P |
| 15:08.13 | sputnick | I'm on debian sarge PPC |
| 15:08.46 | ThomasPorter | Is it possable to force postfix to add headers to each email? |
| 15:08.51 | ThomasPorter | Or maybe each email sent via PHP? |
| 15:09.10 | *** join/#debian arepie_ (n=arepie@219.95.95.11) |
| 15:09.22 | whatrevolution | hm, I used aptitude to compile libapache-mod-php4, did the config scripts, restarted apache, checked the .conf files for correct entries, etc, and it's still not parsing files. |
| 15:09.28 | norc | any recommendations for a good vnc server in debian? |
| 15:09.55 | *** part/#debian arepie_ (n=arepie@219.95.95.11) |
| 15:10.11 | abrotman | apt-cache search vnc server |
| 15:10.18 | norc | abrotman: I know I know |
| 15:10.25 | abrotman | whatrevolution: clear browser cache ... restart browser |
| 15:10.25 | norc | but I was kinda hoping you could recommend a good one of them |
| 15:10.26 | norc | ;) |
| 15:10.33 | abrotman | i think there's only two in there |
| 15:10.52 | whatrevolution | abrotman: did that |
| 15:11.04 | abrotman | do it again .. just to make sure |
| 15:11.17 | *** join/#debian mark_ (n=mark@port108.ds1-arno.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 15:11.21 | abrotman | and make sure apache has been restarted |
| 15:11.36 | whatrevolution | also |
| 15:11.36 | abrotman | whatrevolution: you sure it's apache .. not apache2? |
| 15:11.47 | whatrevolution | it is apache |
| 15:11.56 | abrotman | and you have the AddType lines ? |
| 15:11.57 | whatrevolution | and its spitting .php files out as plaintext |
| 15:12.06 | *** join/#debian zly (n=zly@d40a7cd1.rev.stofanet.dk) |
| 15:12.27 | abrotman | does the .so file actually exist ? |
| 15:12.35 | whatrevolution | yup |
| 15:12.49 | diamond_ | cydork : http://pastebin.ca/199483 |
| 15:12.56 | whatrevolution | /usr/lib/apache/1.3/modphp4.so i believe? |
| 15:12.57 | abrotman | can you paste your apache conf file ? (if there's nothing sensitive) |
| 15:12.58 | abrotman | !paster |
| 15:12.59 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 15:13.12 | diamond_ | cydork : must i do apt-get remove dbmail now ? |
| 15:13.27 | cydork | diamond_: yes |
| 15:13.42 | cydork | diamond_: are you using etch? |
| 15:13.52 | diamond_ | etch ? |
| 15:14.02 | Ronin | diamond_: testing |
| 15:14.21 | Ronin | diamond_: you still cant get that to work? |
| 15:15.08 | *** join/#debian war95 (n=war@iniquity.net) |
| 15:15.24 | *** join/#debian mortalguy (n=mortal@213.237.66.155.adsl.od.worldonline.dk) |
| 15:15.29 | diamond_ | Ronin : no i don't :( but exim4 is configured good now :D |
| 15:15.34 | diamond_ | cydork : http://pastebin.ca/199485 |
| 15:15.50 | *** part/#debian anapivirtua (n=anapi@AMarseille-153-1-38-176.w86-197.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:16.00 | cydork | diamond_: didnt' i tell you to comment those lines in init script |
| 15:16.06 | abrotman | whatrevolution: pasting it ? |
| 15:16.23 | Daveman | Hello, abrotman. |
| 15:16.40 | abrotman | hi |
| 15:16.50 | Daveman | Hello :) |
| 15:17.02 | *** join/#debian baroni (n=baroni@c906a58f.virtua.com.br) |
| 15:17.52 | *** join/#debian unreal_ (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 15:18.03 | ThomasPorter | Hmm... hotmail = bad ... everyone else = good... I can't send to hotmail addresses via PHP :(.. just hotmail... everyone else is fine! |
| 15:18.13 | whatrevolution | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4030 |
| 15:18.18 | *** part/#debian mortalguy (n=mortal@213.237.66.155.adsl.od.worldonline.dk) |
| 15:18.24 | whatrevolution | added php4.conf to the bottom, as noted |
| 15:18.31 | *** join/#debian amee2k (n=thomas@p5497D26F.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:18.48 | Ronin | ThomasPorter: now just block from hotmail and you'll be fine :) |
| 15:19.07 | ThomasPorter | whatrevolution, is that for me? |
| 15:19.16 | whatrevolution | for abrotman |
| 15:19.21 | ThomasPorter | Ronin, i'd consider it ;) |
| 15:19.32 | abrotman | whatrevolution: i saw :) .. |
| 15:19.35 | whatrevolution | ran a text replace on the local dir names before pasting, but they're correct in the real one of course |
| 15:19.59 | abrotman | whatrevolution: grep php /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 15:20.00 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:20.13 | Bhavesh | not to start an MTA war, but has anyone had problems running postfix ( i.e. compromised system?) |
| 15:20.21 | Bhavesh | compared to qmail? |
| 15:20.23 | whatrevolution | i've checked that file, modphp4.so is in it |
| 15:20.25 | abrotman | Bhavesh: btw .. yes you can do what you were asking |
| 15:20.37 | abrotman | whatrevolution: LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 15:20.39 | abrotman | liek that ? |
| 15:20.58 | abrotman | Bhavesh: you can block a country if it resolves etc |
| 15:21.07 | whatrevolution | abrotman: yup |
| 15:21.27 | Bhavesh | abrotman: oh ok.. i am looking through postfix docs on how to do that.. i think my helo_check is not being used because the options is set under wrong stanza of main.cf |
| 15:21.30 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 15:21.57 | whatrevolution | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 15:21.57 | whatrevolution | Loadmodule suphp_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/mod_suphp.so |
| 15:22.22 | *** join/#debian mike-e (i=bsd@glass.blondie.org) |
| 15:22.37 | abrotman | whatrevolution: /usr/sbin/apache-modconf apache query php4 .. return anything (run as root) |
| 15:22.53 | *** join/#debian Evixion (i=Evixion@66-191-227-188.dhcp.kgpt.tn.charter.com) |
| 15:23.02 | diamond_ | cydork : it is removed now |
| 15:23.02 | Fox_1_ | which version of apache to use 2 or 1.3 for java hosting(not only java php too) with tomcat5 ? |
| 15:23.06 | diamond_ | ::d |
| 15:23.13 | whatrevolution | "php4" |
| 15:23.14 | diamond_ | now i have installed dovecot |
| 15:23.20 | *** part/#debian mike-e (i=bsd@glass.blondie.org) |
| 15:23.27 | cydork | diamond_: and it gives similar error? |
| 15:23.36 | diamond_ | nope no errors at all |
| 15:23.50 | diamond_ | that all i had to do ? |
| 15:23.51 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 15:24.02 | cydork | diamond_: yep |
| 15:24.21 | whatrevolution | abrotman: what is the typical permissions on a .php? |
| 15:24.45 | *** join/#debian khaije__ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:24.58 | abrotman | whatrevolution: shouldn't matter .. you're reading the file .. it should be getting processed |
| 15:25.09 | diamond_ | cydork : thnx :) |
| 15:25.21 | *** join/#debian nurv (n=nurv@home-213-240-227-11.megalan.bg) |
| 15:25.45 | abrotman | whatrevolution: do the logs say anything ? |
| 15:25.48 | *** join/#debian Shamurai (n=crosscut@82-43-131-111.cable.ubr03.mort.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:25.49 | *** join/#debian _RvGaTe (n=rvgate-f@g178204.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 15:25.52 | *** join/#debian basix (n=basix@202.68.154.221) |
| 15:25.54 | whatrevolution | nope |
| 15:26.00 | cydork | _RvGaTe: hello :) |
| 15:26.17 | whatrevolution | no apache errors, and php is apparently not even seeing it |
| 15:27.12 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.83) |
| 15:27.29 | *** join/#debian cahoot (n=radix@pdpc/supporter/active/cahoot) |
| 15:27.33 | abrotman | whatrevolution: see what happens if you uncomment the other AddType php lines in the regular httpd.conf and restart apache |
| 15:27.41 | *** join/#debian Jussi (n=jussi@port190.ds1-abc.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 15:28.25 | *** join/#debian khaije___ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:28.55 | whatrevolution | abrotman: same as the last time I tried that. nothing -_- |
| 15:29.40 | abrotman | Bhavesh: there's a great UCE example linked from the postfix site |
| 15:29.52 | abrotman | whatrevolution: is this a poublic server? |
| 15:30.09 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.82.93) |
| 15:30.18 | whatrevolution | it's my own |
| 15:30.24 | abrotman | whatrevolution: so i can't get to it ? |
| 15:30.24 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote (n=mrcoyote@AAnnecy-256-1-186-56.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:30.25 | *** join/#debian mikefoo (n=mikefoo@166.84.140.254) |
| 15:30.45 | whatrevolution | http://mognet.kicks-ass.org/test.php |
| 15:30.50 | *** join/#debian num000 (n=numer@e177181241.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:30.55 | *** join/#debian mfrisch (n=mfrisch@cpe-65-27-190-157.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 15:31.01 | abrotman | whatrevolution: asks me to download it |
| 15:31.14 | num000 | can anyone tell me how to find out if ffmpeg is packaged with amr support somewhere for debian? |
| 15:31.14 | abrotman | you said it was displaying text for you |
| 15:31.35 | whatrevolution | i only meant that it's treating it as a normal file |
| 15:31.39 | mikefoo | Ok so I have a drive fail on raid so I mdadm --removed the drive, I rebooted and I am stuck at GRUB, how would I proceed? What am I doing wrong to replace the drive? |
| 15:31.44 | num000 | or will fedora packages work with debian? |
| 15:32.11 | lunitik | num000: umm... they'll work via alien... I wouldn't advise it though |
| 15:32.22 | whatrevolution | http://mognet.kicks-ass.org/test.html |
| 15:32.33 | whatrevolution | the tag gets ignored by apache there |
| 15:32.37 | whatrevolution | http://mognet.kicks-ass.org/test.phtml |
| 15:32.41 | whatrevolution | does the same as .php |
| 15:32.52 | num000 | lunitik what can i do? the computer is far to slow to compile it myself, where can i seach for this package with the particular amr support for ffmepg? |
| 15:32.55 | *** part/#debian smhar (n=salman@217.17.243.202) |
| 15:33.13 | abrotman | whatrevolution: try to reinstall the libapache-mod-php4 |
| 15:33.13 | stew | num000: ffpmeg is in debian. if it isn't compiled the way you needit to be, you are much much better off just recompiling the debian package: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 15:34.02 | whatrevolution | ok, i'll be back |
| 15:34.04 | stew | hmm, wait, amr support? actually i could use that! |
| 15:34.11 | num000 | stew i would recompile it, thats not the problem, but the machine i'm on is a 166mhz old pentium i it would probaply wait a whole day and |
| 15:34.15 | mfrisch | num000: whats amr? |
| 15:34.16 | *** join/#debian abchirk (n=rapunzel@unaffiliated/abchirk) |
| 15:34.35 | *** join/#debian unreal (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 15:34.37 | num000 | stew ohh, but amr is comercial and is not really implemented in ffmpeg, you will have to patch it inside |
| 15:34.44 | stew | num000: do you know if its possible that ffmpeg supports amrwb? |
| 15:34.45 | stew | ok |
| 15:34.46 | num000 | mfrisch it is a audio codec mainly for mobile phones |
| 15:35.09 | stew | num000: do you have a url for patches? |
| 15:35.13 | num000 | yes |
| 15:35.20 | num000 | stew hold on a second |
| 15:35.36 | mfrisch | num000: make your own package? |
| 15:35.49 | num000 | mfrisch ;) heheh |
| 15:35.50 | num000 | http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/26_series/26.104/26104-510.zip |
| 15:35.51 | lunitik | mfrisch: he said his computer sucks... |
| 15:35.54 | *** part/#debian doublehp (n=dhp@lns-bzn-56-82-255-237-4.adsl.proxad.net) |
| 15:35.58 | num000 | http://www.3gpp.org/ftp/Specs/archive/26_series/26.204/26204-510.zip |
| 15:36.05 | num000 | stew you will need both of them |
| 15:36.06 | stew | lunitik: i work for a ringtone company, and amr is one of the codecs that makes me have to use a windows machine to do conversions instead of being able to do it in debian |
| 15:36.11 | mfrisch | lunitik: he may have another... |
| 15:36.16 | *** join/#debian helfrez (i=zervin@nat/ibm/x-92dd83007a7840a0) |
| 15:36.25 | num000 | stew couldn't you package this for me? |
| 15:36.38 | stew | num000: what version of debian are you running? and which arch? |
| 15:37.07 | num000 | stew it is a pentium I 166mhz and your compiler would have to be optimized for i586, |
| 15:37.15 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 15:37.21 | num000 | stew the debian i'm using is a sort of mix between woody and sarge |
| 15:37.53 | num000 | stew, you would really help me a lot, and i could also give you the svn reposity link if needed |
| 15:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
| 15:38.14 | *** join/#debian kb3ien (n=kb3ien@ool-182f7b34.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 15:38.20 | *** join/#debian fluxi_ (n=fluxi@169.111-244-81.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 15:38.45 | stew | num000: that link to the zip you gave me doesn't seem to have anything to do with ffmpeg |
| 15:38.51 | *** join/#debian vmhobbes (n=charissa@124.104.87.66) |
| 15:39.42 | *** join/#debian chemaja (n=chemaja@c220-237-42-66.brasd1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 15:39.42 | stew | num000: it just provides standalone encoder/decoder |
| 15:40.02 | num000 | stew no these are the amr codecs you will have to put inside the source of ffmpeg, here is the link to the ffmpeg cvs svn checkout svn://svn.mplayerhq.hu/ffmpeg/trunk ffmpeg |
| 15:40.55 | num000 | stew the ffmpeg homepage is a ffmpeg.mplayerhq.hu |
| 15:41.22 | *** join/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@npl-dhcp3.npl.uiuc.edu) |
| 15:41.36 | num000 | stew, i'm sure there are probaply packages compiled for debian, but where to find them |
| 15:41.45 | *** part/#debian ifireball (n=iearthba@IGLD-80-230-83-161.inter.net.il) |
| 15:42.07 | *** part/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@npl-dhcp3.npl.uiuc.edu) |
| 15:42.14 | *** join/#debian cybersphinx (n=co@p54A26D2E.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:43.54 | norc | How do I remove a service from a specific runlevel, like avoiding apache to be started at boot? |
| 15:44.11 | azeem | norc: update-rc.d |
| 15:44.19 | norc | azeem: ah great, thanks :) |
| 15:44.20 | *** join/#debian mike-e (i=bsd@glass.blondie.org) |
| 15:44.34 | mike-e | is the apache2 restarting/stopping binary in debian etch changed? |
| 15:44.45 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 15:44.46 | *** join/#debian x_link (i=sedde@c83-249-194-173.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 15:45.25 | num000 | stew will you be able to package this? |
| 15:45.41 | x_link | enouf: Hi man!! =) |
| 15:45.54 | *** join/#debian jaxadmrl (i=davutz@207-255-47-031-dhcp.jst.pa.atlanticbb.net) |
| 15:45.56 | x_link | Hi everybody ! |
| 15:46.11 | x_link | I hope you all are okey today! |
| 15:46.35 | simonrvn | it's spelled "okay", but i'm nitpicking. yes i am, and you? |
| 15:47.01 | *** join/#debian qamar (n=qalam@ut-n-35192.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 15:47.36 | simonrvn | mike-e: it's a shell script, and the apache 2.2 script did change. you should be able to see the diff if you diff the new and old (in apache2.dpkg-old) |
| 15:47.37 | abrotman | !dict okey |
| 15:47.39 | dpkg | Dictionary 'okey' an endorsement; "they gave us the O.K. to go ahead" |
| 15:47.39 | num000 | nice to hear you are "okay", you probaply hade a successfull day |
| 15:47.44 | abrotman | eh .. wtf |
| 15:47.47 | *** join/#debian jetx (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 15:48.01 | simonrvn | wth |
| 15:48.05 | qamar | Hello, is it save to install g++ 4.1 package from testing on sarge? |
| 15:48.14 | stew | num000: no, this code (the zipfile from 3gpp) doesn't look like it has anything at all to do with ffmpeg |
| 15:48.17 | mike-e | simonrvn : i needed to know the name of the script, it's in /etc/init.d/apache2 |
| 15:48.27 | stew | num000: its odd that it doesn't contain a license or a copyright statement either |
| 15:48.35 | mike-e | say nice to know they defied the documentation for whatever reason |
| 15:48.37 | *** part/#debian mike-e (i=bsd@glass.blondie.org) |
| 15:48.45 | whatrevolution | hm |
| 15:48.48 | num000 | stew, you are right, but it is compiling it into the ffmpeg source |
| 15:48.50 | *** join/#debian znx (i=irc@unaffiliated/znx) |
| 15:49.02 | x_link | simonrvn: I'm alright also, thanks for asking. |
| 15:49.03 | whatrevolution | how can I safely remove php4 so apt will install it again |
| 15:49.06 | simonrvn | mike-e: ok. i'm confused... the init script is apache2, and the actual binary it starts is also apache2. what are you talking about? |
| 15:49.15 | whatrevolution | is there just some reference to it somewhere I can get rid of? |
| 15:49.26 | x_link | I need some help.. I found an old hdd today and I need ti plug it in. I just have a 4.3GB hdd right now and this one is also an 4.3GB hdd. |
| 15:49.34 | *** join/#debian teledyn (n=teledyn@adsl-71-140-56-241.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 15:49.35 | *** join/#debian darkstar (n=darkstar@keele-a229-136.airyork.yorku.ca) |
| 15:49.49 | x_link | I just got this machine to install/lern the basics in Linux, that's why I just have this less space. |
| 15:49.55 | stew | num000: oh, do you mean it is already included in the ffmpeg source? |
| 15:50.09 | num000 | stew, why not, i just saw that amr.c (which is in the ffmpeg file) calles all those source from the ziped amr codes |
| 15:50.12 | x_link | Can I just plug it in, or do I have to do anything special ? |
| 15:50.33 | num000 | stew, called amr_float |
| 15:50.35 | qamar | or let me put it this way how can i make "apt-get" install packages from debian-testing |
| 15:51.13 | Braindead | !tell qamar about backports |
| 15:51.35 | stew | num000: ok, i see now |
| 15:52.00 | FalscherHase | hi. is there a command line way to do unicode normalization on text files? |
| 15:52.15 | cahoot | FalscherHase: iconv? |
| 15:52.31 | petemc | recode? |
| 15:52.39 | nickky | what command returns /foo when given /foo/bar ?? |
| 15:52.45 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 15:53.18 | petemc | nickky: dirname |
| 15:53.46 | abrotman | whatrevolution: /msg dpkg refcard |
| 15:54.24 | *** part/#debian qamar (n=qalam@ut-n-35192.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 15:54.45 | whatrevolution | i found the apt howto again |
| 15:54.55 | whatrevolution | i got too used to aptitude, is all :x |
| 15:55.09 | *** join/#debian simpleton (n=dagashi@82-34-43-250.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 15:55.31 | stew | num000: it makes sense now why you aren't going to find this code included in ffmpeg anywhere. there is no license for the 3gp code |
| 15:55.41 | Braindead | whatrevolution: you've never got used to "aptitude reinstall foo" then |
| 15:57.03 | *** join/#debian numer (n=numer@e177181241.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 15:57.30 | Braindead | whatrevolution: at least you're using aptitude. don't loose your good habits |
| 15:57.37 | Dwonis | Does anyone remember what's the name of the program that lets you test the crash-proofness of a filesystem? |
| 15:57.43 | numer | stew it isn't, i can't do anything about it |
| 15:58.33 | *** join/#debian khaije_ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 15:58.45 | numer | stew thank you very much anyway |
| 16:00.07 | *** join/#debian marcels (n=marcel@mstoop.xs4all.nl) |
| 16:00.33 | keith80403 | I'm trying to run the orbit2 examples on Sarge. Orbit2 examples say to install orbit2 (done) and glib, but there are only libglib* packages - how to determine which package to install?rst - |
| 16:00.47 | DimmuR | I've tried to install openoffice which requires ttf-opensymbol. Because in unstable fontconfig is broken it failed and now i can't even remove it. Anyone can help me solve this problem? |
| 16:02.31 | *** join/#debian khaije__ (n=khaije1@dsl093-056-093.blt1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 16:03.00 | whatrevolution | apache-modconf isn't finding php4_module after a reinstall via apt-get |
| 16:03.48 | rage | Will Firefox still be available in non-free? (I want to appease people) |
| 16:03.52 | whatrevolution | i used apt-get remove|install libapache-mod-php4 |
| 16:04.04 | *** join/#debian delire (i=delire@91.64.166.15) |
| 16:04.14 | *** join/#debian lowkey (n=bofh@BSN-77-56-193.dsl.siol.net) |
| 16:04.21 | *** join/#debian orestyle3 (n=1896cf3d@68-185-24-98.static.mdfd.or.charter.com) |
| 16:05.00 | Ronin | rage: i think its being replaced with iceweasel |
| 16:05.00 | *** join/#debian l0wkey (n=bofh@BSN-77-56-193.dsl.siol.net) |
| 16:05.48 | SerajewelKS | mozilla is making me seriously consider other browsers |
| 16:05.53 | *** join/#debian o[-_-]o (n=rule@dsl82-163-65-90.as15444.net) |
| 16:05.54 | rage | Ronin: Yup, I imagine IceWeasel will be in free, I was wondering if Firefox would still be around in non-free |
| 16:06.03 | rage | Yeah, the hold Artwork thing is silly |
| 16:06.10 | x_link | Hi SerajewelKS ! =) How are you today ? |
| 16:06.15 | whatrevolution | then aptitude reinstall, still can't find it :( |
| 16:06.16 | SerajewelKS | hey x_link |
| 16:06.23 | orestyle3 | if I am moving my server from one domain to another, other than /etc/hosts what other file needs to be modified? |
| 16:06.44 | SerajewelKS | x_link: you need to enable the composite extension in your xorg.conf |
| 16:06.57 | x_link | SerajewelKS: Mozilla FireFox works pretty slow on my machine also and uses alot of RAM. Bu then on the other hand my machine ain't the fastest one. |
| 16:07.01 | *** join/#debian Petrov (i=Petrov@214.234-64-87.adsl-dyn.isp.belgacom.be) |
| 16:07.01 | *** join/#debian sineer (n=cluster@QUBCPQ14-1177877499.sdsl.bell.ca) |
| 16:07.06 | sineer | Hi! |
| 16:07.08 | x_link | SerajewelKS: What ? For what ? |
| 16:07.20 | delire | while using Ubuntu recently i noticed that each time i booted my network devices retain their assigned names, whereas in Debian they often change (eth1 --> eth2, eth3 --> eth1), especially when hotplugging my USB ethernet device. how do i enjoy similar static addressing in Debian while retaining udev? |
| 16:07.25 | SerajewelKS | x_link: mozilla is faster for me than firefox has ever been, actually |
| 16:07.29 | SerajewelKS | x_link: for compiz to work |
| 16:07.38 | SerajewelKS | x_link: oh wait, that was someone else |
| 16:07.42 | *** join/#debian DigEx (n=john@ip67-155-121-180.z121-155-67.customer.algx.net) |
| 16:07.42 | x_link | But Mozilla is firefox ? |
| 16:07.43 | SerajewelKS | x_link: nevermind |
| 16:07.47 | SerajewelKS | x_link: no it's not |
| 16:07.50 | Anarka | x_link i have a pretty old machine now and the best thing i did was replace firefox with epiphany |
| 16:07.51 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:08.00 | x_link | Anarka: Okey. |
| 16:08.11 | SerajewelKS | x_link: i'm speaking of the "mozilla suite" |
| 16:08.14 | x_link | SerajewelKS: When i downloaded FireFox it said Mozilla FireFox |
| 16:08.25 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:08.26 | DigEx | Can someone point me to what I need to add to my apt.sources list so that I can download from the unstable list? |
| 16:08.28 | SerajewelKS | x_link: because the mozilla foundation makes both |
| 16:08.33 | x_link | Okey. |
| 16:08.33 | sineer | I'm managing a debian mirror for our company here... I mirror the etch i386 main contrib non-free... I also made a new /baseline pool on my mirror so that I can Pin the packages I want all the devs to have installed on their boxes by default... Now here's my question :) |
| 16:08.40 | whatrevolution | mozilla is the base of most browsers :\ |
| 16:08.45 | Eclipser | no |
| 16:08.50 | x_link | Anarka: How is Epihany ? |
| 16:08.51 | SerajewelKS | whatrevolution: no |
| 16:08.51 | Eclipser | netscape/gecko is :) |
| 16:08.57 | SerajewelKS | whatrevolution: gecko is |
| 16:09.04 | x_link | Anarka: Is it hard or easy to use |
| 16:09.04 | sineer | How can I modify the Packages.gz list on the mirror OR apt clients so that they install the packages in my /baseline mirror automagically without prompting the user?? Anyone? |
| 16:09.05 | SerajewelKS | !lose me |
| 16:09.06 | dpkg | serajewelks: You Lose. |
| 16:09.11 | SerajewelKS | Eclipser: =) |
| 16:09.13 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.82.93) |
| 16:09.16 | Eclipser | SerajewelKS, :p |
| 16:09.25 | Anarka | x_link my box no longer stops sometimes for a minute or two due to excessive mem usage |
| 16:09.30 | jetx | ff for etch sucks ass. it crashed on me... 'silently exited' |
| 16:09.35 | Anarka | it's a simple browser |
| 16:09.40 | jetx | after it was a slow pig for a while |
| 16:09.54 | cydork | jetx: it just doesn't like you :P |
| 16:10.10 | SerajewelKS | FF has privacy features that i like though |
| 16:10.20 | sineer | I figured I can modify the Priority of each packages from say Optional to Required... and I could possibly do it only in the Packages.gz file on the mirror without rebuilding the packages?? |
| 16:10.21 | Eclipser | I've had had firefox running for a couple of months without any crashes.. |
| 16:10.27 | jetx | i like it.. i don't like that apparent memory problem though |
| 16:10.37 | *** join/#debian Kinks (i=Squeakle@wnklmb01dc1-210-145.dynamic.mts.net) |
| 16:10.39 | jelly-home | Is there a way to remove SendEnv in $HOME/.ssh/config if one was set in /etc/ssh/ssh_config? |
| 16:10.45 | sineer | or perhaps there is a way to do it with apt_preferences file on the client site?.. |
| 16:10.48 | rage | I just want the option of the non-free Firefox floating around |
| 16:10.56 | rage | Managed by apt |
| 16:11.10 | SerajewelKS | i like FF but mozilla being an asshole about it makes me seriously consider alternatives |
| 16:11.11 | *** join/#debian cipher_nemo (n=cipher_n@130.203.254.60) |
| 16:11.21 | *** join/#debian Pool_ (n=Drop@82-35-19-35.cable.ubr03.hari.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 16:11.31 | cydork | jelly-home: read top few lines in man ssh_config |
| 16:12.10 | SerajewelKS | epiphany does look nice though. with popup and cookie control i'd probably use it |
| 16:12.25 | *** join/#debian Stanley (n=SkareCro@66-189-180-71.dhcp.wnch.wa.charter.com) |
| 16:12.44 | Eclipser | flock is nice too, especially if you have a blog :) |
| 16:12.50 | rage | $ wine iexplorer.exe |
| 16:12.52 | jelly-home | cydork: I tried putting an empty SendEnv for a particular host in user's config and it didn't help. |
| 16:12.55 | delire | IMO renaming FF 'IceWeasel' is only going to add pointless confusion. better to retain some portion of the namesake, and call it 'FreeFox' or similar - a name that contains an explanation (at least) of the change. |
| 16:13.00 | SerajewelKS | actually i am quite fond of elinks =) |
| 16:13.02 | rage | </troll> Sorry :-) |
| 16:13.13 | rage | SerajewelKS: elinks is awesome |
| 16:13.29 | jelly-home | rage: meh, Crossover creates a nice iexplore link in ~/bin/ ;-) |
| 16:13.31 | Eclipser | who's renaming FF? |
| 16:13.34 | SerajewelKS | rage: i use it for a good share of my browsing |
| 16:13.41 | rage | me too :-) |
| 16:13.42 | cydork | jelly-home: try it as commandline option :P |
| 16:14.04 | rage | Often when I sit down on a public machine I use elinks on my home machine rather than use their browser setup |
| 16:14.06 | SerajewelKS | rage: it's invaluable when X fucks up and i need to google for a solution =) |
| 16:14.20 | SerajewelKS | rage: i usually vnc to my box and use FF |
| 16:14.30 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.82.93) |
| 16:14.54 | SerajewelKS | rage: right now i'm actually using IRC by way of VNCing to my box, from there shelling to my server and attaching screen |
| 16:14.55 | jelly-home | cydork: the whole point of config files is for me to not have to remember a number of obscure options for some broken sshd hosts. |
| 16:14.56 | rage | I usually have very odd tunnels setup, to slow for X :-( that plus my crappy connection |
| 16:15.00 | delire | Eclipser: FF has a non-free logo, and can't be distributed with Debian. for this reason it will likely be distributed and accessed on your Debian system in future with a new name: 'IceWeasel'. |
| 16:15.17 | rage | Yeah, I'm actually SSH'ed into my box :-) |
| 16:15.27 | jelly-home | cydork: I think it deserves a bts entry though. ;-) |
| 16:15.28 | rage | and resuming my screen |
| 16:15.33 | Eclipser | delire, that's nuts |
| 16:15.38 | *** join/#debian dbruns (n=dbruns@208.67.56.154) |
| 16:15.47 | SerajewelKS | rage: oh but i'm using VNC, which is even mare wasteful |
| 16:15.51 | SerajewelKS | !win me |
| 16:15.52 | dpkg | Congratulations, serajewelks! You have won a one way ticket to Baghdad! |
| 16:15.54 | delire | Eclipser: the Mozilla foundation have insisted that the FireFox logo needs to be distributed with the brandname "FireFox" in order to comply. |
| 16:15.55 | cydork | jelly-home: like i said home config files should over ride it like man page says. i just wanted to check if it works as commandline option. |
| 16:16.09 | stew | delire: its not just the logo, its patched versions in general |
| 16:16.27 | SerajewelKS | it's bullshit is what it is |
| 16:16.29 | dbruns | hey guys, anyone know of any data recovery utilites? I can use to restore a deleted directory? this is on a hard drive that hasn't been used much since it was 'deleted' |
| 16:16.52 | SerajewelKS | dbruns: what filesystem |
| 16:16.55 | delire | Eclipser: yes, it's stupid. Mozilla has been quite miserly about this. Debian's solution is to come up with a new name. shame 'IceWeasel' sounds completely laughable. |
| 16:16.56 | rage | SerajewelKS: From uni, all ports are blocked, access to the net is via a proxy server, I tunnel ssh over http packages, shell into my box, then vpn back into the uni and shell onto the development servers :-) oh and use IRC and occasionaly remote X :-) |
| 16:17.19 | SerajewelKS | rage: yeah our uni is pretty open |
| 16:17.25 | rage | :-( |
| 16:17.29 | Eclipser | delire, it sounds like anti-firefox :) |
| 16:17.32 | dbruns | SerajewelKS ext3 and ext2 |
| 16:17.39 | *** join/#debian smacnay (n=smacnay@Kitchener-HSE-ppp3574097.sympatico.ca) |
| 16:17.40 | cydork | delire: you are wrong in some regards. |
| 16:17.44 | SerajewelKS | rage: though the common "illegal p2p omgrofl" ports are blocked |
| 16:17.47 | cydork | !iceweasel |
| 16:17.47 | dpkg | i guess iceweasel is due to trademark restrictions, debian is likely to not be able to distribute firefox with the firefox name, instead a fork will replace it. iceweasel is a likely candidate: http://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/, see also http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=354622 See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceweasel. |
| 16:17.47 | enouf | x_link: yo yo ma |
| 16:17.49 | delire | Eclipser: yes it does. the new name can only do damage to those ends. |
| 16:18.06 | SerajewelKS | dbruns: you may have a shot with the ext2 one, see e2undel or whatever it's called |
| 16:18.07 | smacnay | Wow, did the latest update in testing ever screw up my nvidia drivers... actually screwed up the whole update. |
| 16:18.08 | Bushmills | nicky: | sed s./bar.. |
| 16:18.15 | SerajewelKS | dbruns: ext3 is a lot harder to recover from |
| 16:18.21 | *** join/#debian kenro (n=kenro@24-216-133-42.static.stgr.ut.charter.com) |
| 16:18.22 | dbruns | :( |
| 16:18.29 | kenro | test |
| 16:18.32 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: did it install a new kernel? |
| 16:18.34 | dbruns | SerajewelKS any direction to point me in? |
| 16:18.35 | SerajewelKS | !test kenro |
| 16:18.35 | dpkg | Testing kenro... PARITY ERROR - SYSTEM HALTED$#$ |
| 16:18.49 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: tried to yes |
| 16:18.50 | SerajewelKS | dbruns: for which one? |
| 16:18.57 | rage | SerajewelKS: Indeed, :-( instant messaging and skype is banned at my uni as well, X forwarded GAIM in once and got in trouble when an IT tech walked past, trouble is I was talking about uni related things :-( |
| 16:18.57 | dbruns | SerajewelKS ext3 |
| 16:19.04 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: using the nonfree drivers? |
| 16:19.09 | SerajewelKS | dbruns: google =) |
| 16:19.14 | jelly-home | cydork: it doesn't. Tried ssh -o 'SendEnv=' broken-sshd-host and ... -o 'SendEnv=XXX'. Apparently it's additive and not overriding like the comment in /etc/ssh/ssh_config suggests |
| 16:19.18 | *** join/#debian kempo (n=kempo@p5481C795.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 16:19.22 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I use the .deb packaged drivers |
| 16:19.23 | kempo | hello all |
| 16:19.25 | SerajewelKS | rage: ban IM? what the fuck? |
| 16:19.28 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.82.93) |
| 16:19.31 | rage | yup :-( |
| 16:19.36 | kenro | Sorry. It's been a long time since I used IRC, and forget conventions of use... and my old password. |
| 16:19.42 | *** join/#debian jpdp (n=jpdp@146.145.194.51) |
| 16:19.45 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: so... the free one or the nonfree one? |
| 16:19.54 | rage | IRC is blocked as well |
| 16:19.57 | SerajewelKS | rage: you can use jabber over http you know |
| 16:20.12 | *** join/#debian blackslash (n=blacksla@74.80-202-73.nextgentel.com) |
| 16:20.22 | jpdp | Ok, I've asked this a few times, but each time I have a bit more detail. Is there anything that would prevent old Pentium class systems from booting a modern debian boot disc? |
| 16:20.25 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I have been using the debian packages of nvidia-kernel nvidia-kernel-source nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev only |
| 16:20.33 | jpdp | I've determined that the burned CD is fine (I booted another system on it) |
| 16:20.36 | rage | Yup, I know, I just avoid the whole uni network out of spite, I know they monitor traffic, so I use SSL and forwards to get aruond the big brother |
| 16:20.36 | kenro | Anyone know why POVray was removed from Debian? |
| 16:20.47 | cydork | jelly-home: then go to bts :P |
| 16:20.49 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: did you 'm-a a-i nvidia' after the kernel update? |
| 16:20.50 | jelly-home | jpdp: bios not being able to boot from a cd with a 2.88 floppy image? |
| 16:20.57 | jpdp | I've ruled out the CD drive on the old machine since I installed a new (within 2 years) DVD burner into it (the old one from my main machine) |
| 16:21.02 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: no, I will try |
| 16:21.09 | jelly-home | cydork: yeah, I know the drill |
| 16:21.15 | SerajewelKS | rage: yeah i use ssh tunnels to my home box |
| 16:21.15 | jpdp | jelly-home: The BIOS can boot from CD in general (I have a stamped Debian 2.0 disc that boots fine. |
| 16:21.22 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: you need to do that after a kernel update |
| 16:21.23 | jpdp | jelly-home: However has the boot size changed? |
| 16:21.37 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: otherwise there's no 'nvidia' module for your new kernel |
| 16:21.41 | jelly-home | jpdp: but does that CD have a 1.44 floppy image or 2.88? |
| 16:21.53 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: same with things like fuse if you use that |
| 16:21.57 | jpdp | jelly-home: I'd imagine 1.44...perhaps the size has changed then... |
| 16:21.58 | kenro | Sera: Sorry. It's been a long time since I used IRC, and forget conventions of use... and my old password. |
| 16:22.02 | *** join/#debian mortalguy (n=mortal@213.237.66.155.adsl.od.worldonline.dk) |
| 16:22.07 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: thanks - I will try that |
| 16:22.18 | jpdp | jelly-home: The real floppy controller can support 2.88, but maybe the cd boot can't...hmm |
| 16:22.20 | SerajewelKS | kenro: nah just making fun of you =) |
| 16:22.36 | jpdp | jelly-home: Is there any way to load the new boot installer from the rescue disc that DOES boot? |
| 16:22.38 | kenro | Sera: phthth :P |
| 16:22.40 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: you may need to 'm-a update; m-a prepare' first |
| 16:22.54 | jpdp | jelly-home: or a 1.44 CD that I could boot from? |
| 16:23.05 | SerajewelKS | kenro: yeah i'm an ass sometimes |
| 16:23.12 | jelly-home | jpdp: I'd ask #debian-boot as irc.debian.org |
| 16:23.25 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: ah - still stuck on nvidia-glx install |
| 16:23.39 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: stuck how? |
| 16:23.44 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: the 8762 version is installed but 8774 wants to be |
| 16:23.50 | *** join/#debian mendred (n=mendred@59.93.82.93) |
| 16:23.52 | jpdp | jelly-home: Thanks for the tip. I may be stuck with Hamm for a firewall (ick) |
| 16:24.05 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: nvidia-glx-dev: Depends: nvidia-glx (>= 1.0.8774) but 1.0.8762-2 is to be installed |
| 16:24.13 | kenro | hmmm My address notification hi-lite thingy needs work... |
| 16:24.16 | *** join/#debian gypsymauro (n=Io@84.18.151.77) |
| 16:24.20 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 16:24.27 | gypsymauro | there is an howto on how using LVM with debian? |
| 16:24.31 | *** part/#debian dbruns (n=dbruns@208.67.56.154) |
| 16:24.33 | *** part/#debian jpdp (n=jpdp@146.145.194.51) |
| 16:24.43 | SerajewelKS | !fgi gypsymauro debian lvm howto |
| 16:24.44 | dpkg | gypsymauro: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian lvm howto |
| 16:24.49 | jelly-home | jpdp: omg. I'd try woody netinst at least (since upgrading from 2.0 _will_ be a PITA) then dist-upgrade to current stable. |
| 16:24.52 | SerajewelKS | !fgi gypsymauro debian+lvm+howto |
| 16:24.53 | dpkg | gypsymauro: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=debian+lvm+howto |
| 16:24.59 | SerajewelKS | gypsymauro: there |
| 16:25.23 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: wow - what a rat's nest |
| 16:25.23 | kenro | gypsy: Might also try tldp |
| 16:25.44 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: is there a paste channel here? |
| 16:25.53 | *** join/#debian jpdp (n=jpdp@146.145.194.51) |
| 16:25.55 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: pastebin.ca |
| 16:26.02 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: or #flood though i prefer a pastebin |
| 16:26.08 | gypsymauro | uhm I was thinking there was a guide to set up a lvm with debian installer I already got LVM howto |
| 16:26.09 | jpdp | Or, #debian-boot is nearly empty (or ##debian-boot rather) |
| 16:26.16 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: ok |
| 16:26.40 | SerajewelKS | gypsymauro: i think the etch installer asks about lvm |
| 16:27.01 | lunitik | jpdp: try on irc.debian.org |
| 16:27.08 | norc | how do I disable the connection timeout in ssh? |
| 16:27.13 | *** part/#debian john_doe (n=philip@cpe.atm2-0-90518.0x50a4e526.boanxx8.customer.tele.dk) |
| 16:27.48 | *** part/#debian dhuv (n=dhuv@pool-71-250-189-173.nwrknj.east.verizon.net) |
| 16:27.50 | stew | norc: ssh doesn't have one |
| 16:27.55 | *** join/#debian kinyla (n=kinyla@134.Red-83-34-223.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 16:28.03 | lunitik | jpdp: most such obscure channels have moved to a different network |
| 16:28.21 | SerajewelKS | norc: probably a stateful firewall is losing the connection. turn on TCP keepalive on the server. |
| 16:28.22 | norc | stew: but if I dont do anything in ssh for a few minutes then I get a connection time out |
| 16:28.25 | *** join/#debian triplc (n=triplc@222.252.44.242) |
| 16:28.29 | norc | Connection to fertigrok closed. |
| 16:28.38 | SerajewelKS | norc: see what i said ^^ |
| 16:28.44 | jpdp | lunitik: Isn't irc.debian.org just a freenode.org redirect still? |
| 16:28.46 | num000 | stew: did you get my mail? |
| 16:28.48 | stew | norc: are you behind a natting firewall |
| 16:28.51 | norc | SerajewelKS: I don't think so |
| 16:28.53 | norc | stew: yes |
| 16:28.56 | SerajewelKS | norc: i do |
| 16:28.57 | lunitik | jpdp: no |
| 16:29.02 | stew | norc: that is likely the problem |
| 16:29.07 | SerajewelKS | norc: that's what the error means pretty much |
| 16:29.07 | jpdp | lunitik? You're kidding? When did it split?? |
| 16:29.13 | norc | mhmm |
| 16:29.13 | stew | num000: i'll check |
| 16:29.17 | deadcat | i cant seem to ctrl alt Fx to switch to console from X. |
| 16:29.23 | SerajewelKS | norc: a NAT firewall *is* a stateful firewall usually |
| 16:29.25 | jpdp | lunitik: That would explain why I haven't recognized anyone on this channel for a while :) |
| 16:29.26 | lunitik | !move |
| 16:29.26 | dpkg | why would I do that, I like it here! |
| 16:29.34 | stew | deadcat: what about "chvt X" |
| 16:29.35 | SerajewelKS | unless it's full cone or whatever the term is |
| 16:29.40 | lunitik | Damnit... what was the irc network move factoid? |
| 16:29.44 | deadcat | stew: that works |
| 16:29.44 | norc | SerajewelKS: point is, if I keep doing something, or let something run that constantly refreshes like a ncurses application the shell stays open |
| 16:29.52 | deadcat | stew: thats what i've been using. |
| 16:29.53 | SerajewelKS | norc: yes |
| 16:29.54 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: pastebn.ca/199557 |
| 16:30.07 | lunitik | jpdp: most people here are old regulars... not much change really.... |
| 16:30.12 | SerajewelKS | norc: the firewall sees no activity and assumes the connection timed out, so it drops it |
| 16:30.12 | *** part/#debian triplc (n=triplc@222.252.44.242) |
| 16:30.26 | lunitik | !odpc |
| 16:30.26 | lunitik | is that it? |
| 16:30.32 | lunitik | hmm... guess not |
| 16:30.33 | jpdp | lunitik: deadcat is the only name I recognize...though I've idled for a year or so... |
| 16:30.37 | SerajewelKS | norc: turning on tcp keepalive on the server will send a bit of data every fev seconds to keep the firewall aware |
| 16:30.37 | norc | SerajewelKS: oh.. :( |
| 16:30.41 | stew | jpdp: /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 16:30.42 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@edb66.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 16:30.50 | lunitik | stew: thank you |
| 16:30.52 | norc | SerajewelKS: Ok.. what applications provides me with taht keepalive? |
| 16:30.52 | SerajewelKS | few* |
| 16:31.06 | SerajewelKS | norc: the sshd_config on the server |
| 16:31.12 | diilbertAtWork | How do I add a init script to the startu p? |
| 16:31.16 | SerajewelKS | norc: is this your ssh server? |
| 16:31.17 | norc | SerajewelKS: ohh.. ok :-) |
| 16:31.19 | norc | SerajewelKS: yes |
| 16:31.21 | deadcat | stew: can you ctrl alt f1? |
| 16:31.30 | SerajewelKS | norc: okay, check man sshd_config |
| 16:31.35 | SerajewelKS | norc: it's in there somewhere |
| 16:31.38 | norc | SerajewelKS: I will do that :) |
| 16:31.41 | norc | thanks |
| 16:31.42 | SerajewelKS | norc: then just restart sshd |
| 16:31.42 | jelly-home | jpdp: you might have to install sarge from floppies. |
| 16:31.45 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 16:31.45 | SerajewelKS | norc: np |
| 16:31.56 | jpdp | jelly-home: *sigh* |
| 16:32.01 | SerajewelKS | norc: i've been in your position, that's how i know about this option =) |
| 16:32.12 | jpdp | jelly-home: You'd think a darn normal size boot CD would be too much to ask... :) |
| 16:32.12 | norc | SerajewelKS: KeepAlive yes |
| 16:32.16 | norc | SerajewelKS: It was arleady enabled |
| 16:32.17 | stew | deadcat: yes |
| 16:32.20 | deadcat | stew: oh damn |
| 16:32.25 | jelly-home | jpdp: or try flashing the bios. ;-) |
| 16:32.28 | norc | SerajewelKS: so? |
| 16:32.30 | jpdp | jelly-home: What happened to the 4 sizes of woody? :) |
| 16:32.47 | SerajewelKS | norc: hmm |
| 16:32.52 | SerajewelKS | norc: what is the duration? |
| 16:32.56 | jelly-home | jpdp: sizes? |
| 16:32.59 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: you have mesa installed too? |
| 16:33.01 | norc | SerajewelKS: Not sure, round about 5 minutes maybe |
| 16:33.14 | SerajewelKS | norc: i mean for the keepalive ping |
| 16:33.41 | *** join/#debian cipher_nemo (n=jsuit@130.203.254.60) |
| 16:33.51 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: maybe from a LONG time ago |
| 16:33.57 | SerajewelKS | norc: you whould have "TCPKeepAlive yes" |
| 16:34.01 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: get rid of it ? |
| 16:34.06 | deadcat | stew: i cant switch to console on the ibook either. |
| 16:34.07 | *** join/#debian bond1box (n=jalandu@pool238.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net) |
| 16:34.07 | norc | SerajewelKS: ohhh.. ok. sorry, thanks |
| 16:34.08 | norc | :) |
| 16:34.08 | jpdp | jelly-home: Yeah, the 4 different cd images with different kernels including a compact one, etc. |
| 16:34.24 | jelly-home | jpdp: the brave folks in #debian-boot say that sarge uses isolinux and the native boot support (no floppy images), I guess your P1 doesn't support that. I'd try woody first before resorting to floppy shuffle. |
| 16:34.24 | stew | deadcat: are both ppc? |
| 16:34.26 | diilbertAtWork | any takers ? |
| 16:34.26 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: can you ctrl alt f1 to console from X? on ppc? |
| 16:34.30 | deadcat | stew: desktop is x86 |
| 16:34.32 | norc | SerajewelKS: Can I simply type /etc/init.d/sshd restart ? |
| 16:34.41 | Ronin | diilbertAtWork: to what |
| 16:34.41 | norc | SerajewelKS: because it is a dedicated server and I don't want to lose it again |
| 16:34.44 | x_link | I have a picture that I want to send with irssi, /dcc send nickname /home/sedde/x_link/Mixed/Pictures/Computer/Hard\Drive\ Fan.jpg |
| 16:34.48 | x_link | But that doesn't work. |
| 16:34.50 | SerajewelKS | norc: yes. |
| 16:34.54 | norc | just want to be 100% sure :-) |
| 16:35.00 | SerajewelKS | norc: existing connections will remain up |
| 16:35.01 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@217-159-182-189-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 16:35.08 | *** part/#debian eml (n=eml@irk.bob.fi) |
| 16:35.08 | *** join/#debian grendal_prime (n=shawng@71-154-139-61.ded.pacbell.net) |
| 16:35.10 | SerajewelKS | norc: since they are forked and deparented |
| 16:35.13 | x_link | The files name is Hard Drive Fan |
| 16:35.16 | norc | SerajewelKS: there is no /etc/init.d/sshd :( |
| 16:35.17 | *** part/#debian jpdp (n=jpdp@146.145.194.51) |
| 16:35.18 | *** join/#debian magickal1 (n=magickal@70.91.220.98) |
| 16:35.21 | x_link | Can somebody help me with this pleas ? |
| 16:35.21 | num000 | stew: can you read my msg? |
| 16:35.22 | x_link | Please. |
| 16:35.23 | SerajewelKS | norc: ssh then |
| 16:35.26 | diilbertAtWork | Ronin: Add a init script to startup... on gentoo I use rc-update... is there a simimlar approach w/ debian ? |
| 16:35.29 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: that may help |
| 16:35.33 | norc | SerajewelKS: ohh.. ok :-) |
| 16:35.38 | keith80403 | Sarge - apt-file update asks for CD's 14 through 1, when done, apt-file search libglib doesn't return any package names. What am I doing wrong? |
| 16:35.41 | norc | Restarting OpenBSD Secure Shell server: sshd. :-) |
| 16:35.44 | norc | Thanks a lot SerajewelKS :-) |
| 16:35.54 | SerajewelKS | norc: np, it may or may not help |
| 16:36.00 | norc | I will see |
| 16:36.01 | num000 | stew why |
| 16:36.23 | stew | num000: everyone does |
| 16:36.39 | stew | num000: actually, it looks like the marillat sources have --enable-amr_wb |
| 16:36.41 | stew | num000: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 16:37.38 | jelly-home | diilbertAtWork: update-rc.d |
| 16:37.41 | num000 | stew i do have already this in my apt sources list |
| 16:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 711] by debhelper |
| 16:38.07 | num000 | stew can you build it? |
| 16:38.31 | *** join/#debian shruggar (n=vstarre@adsl-215-209-95.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 16:38.33 | *** join/#debian haldrik (n=haldrik@216.118.228.172) |
| 16:38.36 | haldrik | hello |
| 16:38.55 | stew | num000: i dont' see any reason to now that i realized that marillat already has it built with that code included |
| 16:39.08 | num000 | stew: but where? |
| 16:39.10 | shruggar | How can I tell dpkg to just forget about a package, dont try to run the uninstall script? |
| 16:39.18 | stew | num000: debian-multimedia.org |
| 16:39.20 | x_link | Hi |
| 16:39.25 | cydork | shruggar: why do you wanna do that? |
| 16:39.25 | x_link | Can somebody tell me why this ain't working |
| 16:39.28 | x_link | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:39.29 | num000 | stew: i did look there |
| 16:39.34 | stew | x_link: what is \D |
| 16:39.40 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: seems that apt-get will not uninstall these with the glx stuff broken - dpkg now |
| 16:39.49 | shruggar | cydork: because the uninstall script doesnt work, I know it doesnt work, I know it wont ever work |
| 16:39.49 | x_link | I even tried /home/sedde/x_link/Mixed/Pictures/Computer/Hard\Drive\Fan.jpg |
| 16:39.55 | x_link | I even tried /home/sedde/x_link/Mixed/Pictures/Computer/Hard\ Drive\ Fan.jpg |
| 16:39.57 | diilbertAtWork | jelly-home: So something like update-rc.d noip defaults should do the trick ? |
| 16:40.02 | *** join/#debian Narada (n=Narada@codarc.plus.com) |
| 16:40.10 | Narada | hi guys |
| 16:40.14 | Narada | i'm trying to install debian |
| 16:40.23 | stew | num000: if you "apt-get source ffmpegcvs" and look at debian/rules, you'll see that its included. and you find a libavcode/amr_wb with the 3gp code |
| 16:40.29 | x_link | stew: What you mean \D ? |
| 16:40.34 | cydork | shruggar: then you can put exit 0 on top of the script but it's a dirty hack. and you should not use it if possible :P |
| 16:40.40 | haldrik | How I can change the configuration of debconf, I used dpkg-reconfigure debconf and I selected kde interface, but this interface don't exist, I need to change manualy this configuration. |
| 16:40.42 | haldrik | ??????' |
| 16:40.44 | Narada | i keep getting the message: no partitionable media found; make sure a hard disk is attached; but i am sure a hard disk is attached and i have formatted it; what can i try |
| 16:40.48 | shruggar | cydork: peachy, where's the script? |
| 16:40.49 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: apt generally won't do anything with an inconsistent state |
| 16:40.59 | Narada | therefore i am unable to proceed with the installation |
| 16:41.00 | cydork | shruggar: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 16:41.02 | stew | x_link: the filename you pasted has a \D and a \F, which i don't think are valid, you probably meant \ D and \ F |
| 16:41.22 | x_link | stew: The file is called Hard Drive Fan |
| 16:41.36 | x_link | And I have that picture in this folder ---- /home/sedde/x_link/Mixed/Pictures/Computer |
| 16:41.47 | shruggar | and what do you mean "it's a dirty hack and you shouldnt use it"? This is obviously an occasional requirement which must be used sometimes and there is no bad thing which can be said about it |
| 16:41.58 | x_link | stew: So I can't send that picture ? |
| 16:42.20 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: does xorg (shich I have installed) depend on libmesa? |
| 16:42.25 | num000 | stew of course there is no need to repackage it, but the version i had from this did not include a cvs version |
| 16:42.25 | cydork | shruggar: i mean if it doesn't work, it's a bug. |
| 16:42.38 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: it shouldn't depend on gl at all |
| 16:42.41 | x_link | I tried /home/sedde/x_link/Mixed/Pictures/Computer\Hard\Drive\Fan.jpg and I tried /home/sedde/x_link/Mixed/Pictures/Computer\Hard\Drive\ Fan.jpg |
| 16:42.45 | x_link | None of them worked. |
| 16:42.45 | shruggar | to uninstall, run the uninstall script. If the uninstall script doesnt work, it still needs to be removed, right? |
| 16:42.48 | *** join/#debian khaije (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 16:42.53 | x_link | What else can I try ? |
| 16:42.59 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I have libgl1-mesa-glx and libgl1-mesa-dri installed and showing xorg depending on them |
| 16:43.00 | shruggar | cydork: seems obvious to me |
| 16:43.09 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: hrgm |
| 16:43.10 | stew | x_link: .../Computer/Hard\ Drive\ Fan.jpg |
| 16:43.13 | cydork | shruggar: can you paste the errors you are getting in a paster |
| 16:43.13 | cydork | !paster |
| 16:43.13 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 16:43.21 | cydork | shruggar: ^^ |
| 16:43.22 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: remove all nvidia stuff |
| 16:43.23 | jetx | use tab |
| 16:43.25 | jetx | sheesh |
| 16:43.26 | stew | x_link: \D is not a valid character |
| 16:43.29 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: ther try installing it again |
| 16:43.31 | SerajewelKS | then* |
| 16:43.36 | x_link | stew: Okey, But I think I already tried that |
| 16:43.38 | shruggar | cydork: What error? All 5000 "file not found" errors? |
| 16:43.45 | haldrik | How I can change the configuration of debconf, I used dpkg-reconfigure debconf and I selected kde interface, but this interface don't exist, I need to change manualy this configuration. ???? |
| 16:44.00 | stew | x_link: does your client not tab-complete filenames for you? |
| 16:44.15 | num000 | stew where did you find it? i can not find a ffmpegcvs package? |
| 16:44.16 | sepski | anyone know of a tool that can convert from planner to project |
| 16:44.19 | cydork | shruggar: ya whatever error you are getting. |
| 16:44.31 | shruggar | cydork: I dont think you understand the problem |
| 16:44.34 | stew | num000: there isn't a ffmpegcvs binary package, that is the name of the source package |
| 16:44.34 | jetx | haldrik: but my spanish isn't what it should be |
| 16:44.42 | shruggar | cydork: the error is in the uninstall script, not dpkg |
| 16:44.45 | x_link | stew: Didn't work |
| 16:44.50 | madclicker | hi, would this line > "(II) fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 6.8.x.y with x.y >= 99.8" prevent 3d from functioning ? |
| 16:44.52 | shruggar | cydork: so I need dpkg to ignore the uninstall script |
| 16:44.54 | *** join/#debian Shadowcat (i=shadowca@c80-217-204-134.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 16:45.00 | x_link | 18:44 DCC can't open file /home/sedde/Fan.jpg I get that message when I do it. |
| 16:45.13 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=dies_ira@190.37.0.171) |
| 16:45.18 | stew | x_link: ask a channel specific to your irc client then |
| 16:45.21 | num000 | stew: so, i don't understand, we were talking about a prepackages binary, didn't we? |
| 16:45.36 | jetx | madclicker: it should keep your entire xorg from functioning i would guess |
| 16:45.37 | cydork | shruggar: i get the problem but i want to know what it's doing that. the error is in prerm script or something right? |
| 16:45.39 | x_link | Okey |
| 16:45.49 | jetx | if you changed to fglrx in xorg.conf |
| 16:45.58 | stew | num000: does "apt-cache policy ffmpeg" list a candidte from debian-multimedia.org ? |
| 16:46.15 | haldrik | jetx: do you speak to me? |
| 16:46.18 | jetx | yes the version on marillat is > than the debian one |
| 16:46.19 | madclicker | jetx, no id doesn't, 2d works perfect but 3d will not (Etch) |
| 16:46.22 | jetx | haldrik: yes |
| 16:46.24 | num000 | yes it does |
| 16:46.30 | *** join/#debian phax (n=nickz0r@88-106-137-174.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 16:46.31 | SerajewelKS | oh wow |
| 16:46.31 | haldrik | jetx: can you help me? |
| 16:46.38 | shruggar | cydork: The package, as it is removed, tries to copy the backups it made while installing on top of the files it is "removing" |
| 16:46.40 | SerajewelKS | my nick shows on planet gaim =) |
| 16:46.42 | num000 | stew: yes it does |
| 16:46.48 | shruggar | cydork: why do you care? It's unrelated to the issue |
| 16:46.50 | stew | num000: that one has amr / amr_wb included, the one from debian.org doesn't |
| 16:47.05 | num000 | stew: how did you find this out? |
| 16:47.13 | stew | num000: by downloading the source |
| 16:47.20 | shruggar | cydork: If all it was was an exit(1) in an otherwise empty file, the issue would still exist |
| 16:47.24 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: hmm, errors when removing nvidia-glx-dev with dpkg - pasting |
| 16:47.51 | cydork | shruggar: i cant help you, if i dont know where the problem is exactly :) |
| 16:47.54 | stew | num000: and i downloaded the source with "apt-get source ffmpegcvs" the debian source package is called ffmpeg and the debian-multimedia source package is called ffmpegcvs |
| 16:47.57 | *** join/#debian Hw-Feez (i=usr69617@80.193.211.68) |
| 16:48.09 | azeem | W6 |
| 16:48.22 | num000 | stew ok thank you very much |
| 16:48.27 | cydork | azeem: W6?? |
| 16:48.34 | num000 | stew so i'll have to compile it on that slow machine |
| 16:48.35 | azeem | cydork: typo |
| 16:48.49 | *** part/#debian DrHOUSE (n=mezzo@kolibria.com) |
| 16:48.49 | *** join/#debian mortalguy (n=mortal@213.237.66.155.adsl.od.worldonline.dk) |
| 16:49.19 | stew | num000: no, you don't have to compile it, just install it from debian-multimedia instead of debian |
| 16:49.21 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: pastebin.ca/199590 |
| 16:49.31 | Narada | guys please help me out here; i am trying to install debian; under a normal install it says there's no hard disk mounted; under a linux26 install it can't find drivers for the cd rom; how am i supposed to install debian if i can't even start the install process |
| 16:49.35 | *** join/#debian aalex (n=aalex@cmo.uqam.ca) |
| 16:49.38 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I need to run, thanks for the help, I will work on this later. Bummer |
| 16:49.46 | num000 | stew ohh, you mean the version from debian-multimedi has already the amr compiled into it? |
| 16:49.50 | shruggar | cydork: the problem is, exactly, that dpkg refuses to remove the package without running the package's uninstall scripts (*whose location I still dont know, and which will always fail because the package's files no longer exist), and so it will never be unlisted. |
| 16:50.26 | *** join/#debian enouf (n=enouf@ool-44c66c29.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 16:50.29 | SerajewelKS | http://gaim.sourceforge.net/sean/images/gntchat.png |
| 16:50.33 | stew | num000: yes, i'm just saying i looked at the source from debian-multimedia to confirm that, i wasn't saying that you need to compile that source |
| 16:50.34 | *** join/#debian Zeit|idle (n=wurscht@p54A7B267.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:50.42 | SerajewelKS | i'm on the gaim blog now... my immortality is official! |
| 16:50.49 | cydork | shruggar: so which package is that?. and can you paste the error in a paster. |
| 16:50.53 | num000 | stew: thank you very very much, you saved me a lot of time |
| 16:51.12 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: remove libglu1-mesa-dev too |
| 16:51.19 | Fox_1_ | how to connect to irc server with password in command line? i meen "/server server.address:port ..."? |
| 16:51.19 | cydork | Narada: sata? |
| 16:51.24 | shruggar | cydork: why do you care what package? How is that related? I'm asking a dpkg question, not a "random package in the void of the universe" question |
| 16:51.31 | Narada | cydork: yeah |
| 16:51.53 | Narada | what do i do differently for sata |
| 16:51.53 | cydork | Narada: try with etch or if you want stable /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 16:52.07 | *** join/#debian PhilKC (i=PhilKC@unaffiliated/philkc) |
| 16:52.10 | Narada | cydork i don't know what you mean; could you elaborate a little |
| 16:52.30 | Bhavesh | Fox_1_: what program? i do /connect irc.freenode.org Nick password in irssi once i am in the program |
| 16:52.31 | *** join/#debian notencoded (n=samwise@adsl-64-237-145-116.prtc.net) |
| 16:52.32 | num000 | stew: ahhh, this is a far different package |
| 16:52.42 | mick_home | Fox_1_, depends on the client (STFW for "$your_client auto identify") |
| 16:52.43 | *** join/#debian HardDisk_WP (n=Marco@wikipedia/harddisk) |
| 16:52.49 | *** part/#debian notencoded (n=samwise@adsl-64-237-145-116.prtc.net) |
| 16:53.04 | cydork | Narada: you are trying to install sarge which has a old kernel which might not support sata. so try with newer kernel or with etch. to get newer kernel installer /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 16:53.05 | *** join/#debian Sh4dowcat (i=shadowca@c80-217-204-134.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 16:53.08 | HardDisk_WP | hello |
| 16:53.22 | *** join/#debian marculix (n=marculix@gw.ptr-80-238-227-215.customer.ch.netstream.com) |
| 16:53.26 | HardDisk_WP | i have a problem: my vserver is loosing memory, man ps fails with Reformatting ps(1), please wait... |
| 16:53.26 | HardDisk_WP | Inconsistency detected by ld.so: dl-minimal.c: 84: __libc_memalign: Assertion `page != ((void *) -1)' failed! |
| 16:53.30 | Fox_1_ | bitchx |
| 16:53.32 | Narada | cydork ah k |
| 16:53.42 | Narada | cydork what is etch |
| 16:53.42 | HardDisk_WP | anyone knowing how to fix that? |
| 16:53.46 | mick_home | Fox_1_, i said search the web - not ask here ;) |
| 16:53.47 | Bhavesh | sounds bad |
| 16:53.57 | *** join/#debian xeQter (n=xeqt@80-47-39-201.lond-hex.dynamic.dial.as9105.com) |
| 16:54.23 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, it is bad... i am lucky that i still have my ssh open |
| 16:54.32 | *** join/#debian Andy_CARP (n=favio@host117248040.arnet.net.ar) |
| 16:54.41 | cydork | Narada: etch is current testing will be stable soon. for more info /msg dpkg etch or /msg dpkg releases |
| 16:55.06 | mick_home | Fox_1_, assign nickpass $pass - in .bitchxrc |
| 16:55.19 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: what does free -m say? |
| 16:55.29 | Fox_1_ | not nick pass, i'm talking about server password |
| 16:55.52 | haldrik | How I can change the configuration of debconf, I used dpkg-reconfigure debconf and I selected kde interface, but this interface don't exist, I need to change manualy this configuration. ???? |
| 16:55.55 | *** join/#debian FernandoMM (n=fernando@demorgan.com.br) |
| 16:55.58 | Andy_CARP | hi all, how can I obtain a bandwidth usage statistic breakdown by ip address? |
| 16:56.03 | *** join/#debian xammu (i=ucanvcx@p54B3B483.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:56.07 | HardDisk_WP | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:56.07 | HardDisk_WP | Mem: 8103 8024 79 0 169 1148 |
| 16:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | -/+ buffers/cache: 6706 1397 |
| 16:56.08 | HardDisk_WP | Swap: 12048 6037 6011 |
| 16:56.08 | *** kick/#debian [HardDisk_WP!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 16:56.10 | *** join/#debian HardDisk_WP (n=Marco@wikipedia/harddisk) |
| 16:56.18 | HardDisk_WP | wtf |
| 16:56.33 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: i have class, brb while i move rooms |
| 16:57.04 | mick_home | Fox_1_, .ircservers |
| 16:57.05 | mick_home | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:57.13 | mick_home | thats from a google search |
| 16:57.29 | Fox_1_ | i need to write it in connection line |
| 16:57.31 | mick_home | Fox_1_, http://slacker.com/~nugget/stuff/.bitchxrc |
| 16:58.04 | FernandoMM | I'm looking for some programmers to join a project (it's totally debian related). Can i talk about it here? Or should i go somewhere? |
| 16:58.23 | *** join/#debian black_13 (n=black_13@72.16.158.17) |
| 16:58.38 | stew | !tell HardDisk_WP about paste |
| 16:59.09 | black_13 | are there any problems with building older version of the kernel |
| 16:59.32 | black_13 | i have system that uses 2.6.15 but i need 2.6.10 |
| 16:59.47 | Narada | cydork will try testing etch beta 3 now |
| 16:59.55 | Braindead | black_13: something tells me you're using Ubuntu. am I wrong? |
| 16:59.57 | znx | !tell me about paste |
| 17:00.03 | Narada | cydork: snapshots is probably too extreme ;) |
| 17:00.20 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, http://channels.debian.net/paste/4032 |
| 17:00.24 | black_13 | Braindead if i say yess will that cause lots of upset |
| 17:00.35 | stew | black_13: one problem would be that both of those kernels you mentioned have security issues |
| 17:00.46 | *** join/#debian loof (n=loof@adsl-074-244-149-022.sip.pns.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:00.52 | loof | help? :( |
| 17:00.54 | black_13 | actually the kernel source are supplied by the manufacturer of specialed mother board |
| 17:01.02 | cydork | Narada: who said anything about snapshots :P |
| 17:01.05 | Braindead | actually are you using Ubuntu or not? |
| 17:01.06 | mick_home | FernandoMM, sure |
| 17:01.22 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: something is chewing up all of your memory |
| 17:01.32 | Narada | cydork the debian website that dpkg pointed me to did :P (lol) |
| 17:01.43 | *** part/#debian shruggar (n=vstarre@adsl-215-209-95.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:01.45 | Bhavesh | how about if you start by shutting down some daemons from init.d/? |
| 17:01.56 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, look at http://channels.debian.net/paste/4033 |
| 17:02.04 | cydork | Narada: hahah use the etch beta 3 installer and you will be fine i guess :) |
| 17:02.07 | black_13 | stew actually security for this not much of any issue the machine is for a kiosk system no connect to the otside world |
| 17:02.10 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, it is a vserver and so I can not rebbot it :-( |
| 17:02.16 | stew | black_13: there should be no problems with the actual building of the kernels |
| 17:02.44 | ma3x | stew: if file1 is the whole file and file2 is a part of file1, and I want to copy the rest from file1 to file2, how do I do that? cat file2 >> file1 does not work, that copies and adds all over again |
| 17:02.55 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: mack |
| 17:02.57 | Narada | cydork awesome |
| 17:02.58 | SerajewelKS | back too |
| 17:03.05 | *** join/#debian rpetre (n=petre@83.166.220.142) |
| 17:03.13 | black_13 | stew i am more familiar with building the kernel from strait sources |
| 17:03.22 | Bhavesh | how about for now shutting down spamd.. |
| 17:03.29 | loof | I just installed ATI drivers on debian and now video files don't scale with the window, any suggestions? |
| 17:03.30 | stew | black_13: /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 17:03.30 | black_13 | you know untar symlink then make bzimage and make modules |
| 17:03.33 | norc | SerajewelKS: Read from remote host fertigrok: Connection reset by peer < thats the error message I get .. |
| 17:03.34 | Bhavesh | did you not have problem running ps? |
| 17:03.36 | norc | still .. |
| 17:03.48 | Braindead | black_13: if you're using udev the 2.6.10 kernel is gonna get things messy |
| 17:03.57 | ma3x | stew: let's say I have file.avi (1200MB) on /cdrom. and I tried to copy it to /home/ma3x and it copied only 500MB and then it displays some error. how can I copy the rest to /home/ma3x? |
| 17:04.10 | ma3x | stew: I mean how can I resume the copying? you know what I mean? |
| 17:04.12 | FernandoMM | mick_home: i have in mind a program which probaly will be called NNNInstaller (NextNextNextInstaller). Its objetive is to conf packages installed using apt-get in an easier way. For example, when installing xorg, it's possible to use a universal xorg.conf, so people won't have problems with x not starting because of mouse fail or wrong monitor refresh rates. Well this ideia is really fresh and i can't express it as i would like to. |
| 17:04.21 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, i have problems with everything. including su, which fails with su: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1: cannot map zero-fill pages: Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:04.25 | SerajewelKS | norc: it may not be pinging enough |
| 17:04.42 | HardDisk_WP | oh oh |
| 17:04.50 | norc | SerajewelKS: mhm.. |
| 17:04.51 | HardDisk_WP | OS is going to reboot and i use bouncer |
| 17:04.52 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: well how many people are logged in the server? and how many times? i see too many 'sshd' running |
| 17:04.53 | HardDisk_WP | brb |
| 17:04.56 | mick_home | FernandoMM, first thing is to come up with an idea and get it on paper |
| 17:04.59 | Bhavesh | ok |
| 17:05.00 | *** join/#debian zck (n=j@unaffiliated/zck) |
| 17:05.02 | cydork | FernandoMM: what do you mean by universal xorg.conf? |
| 17:05.10 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, one guy (me) with scp and putty running |
| 17:05.23 | Braindead | a magical xorg.conf! with ponys! yay! \o/ |
| 17:05.26 | Bhavesh | may be some how it's spawning processes |
| 17:05.33 | mick_home | FernandoMM, then see if it isn't already handled in another project (or see if it can be fixed in another project) |
| 17:05.52 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: you have almost 13 copies of sshd running |
| 17:06.01 | HardDisk_WP | wtf |
| 17:06.06 | HardDisk_WP | how that?! |
| 17:06.12 | black_13 | Braindead oo i hadnt thought about udev |
| 17:06.20 | mick_home | FernandoMM, and then there is the the whole process of doing an ITP and working on understanding policies and such to become a DD |
| 17:06.22 | FernandoMM | cydork: example, a xorg.conf with many kinds of mouse (usb, ps/2/serial) and option that allows mouses to fail (so only the right one would work) |
| 17:06.24 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: that's what i saw in your ps ax output |
| 17:06.25 | black_13 | but udev is select via .config |
| 17:06.34 | black_13 | let me check |
| 17:06.56 | num000 | stew: do you know if ffmpeg can hint a file? |
| 17:06.57 | FernandoMM | mick_home: i will try to write it on paper and get cleary ideas |
| 17:07.06 | mick_home | ya, tahts important |
| 17:07.15 | mick_home | then get feedback |
| 17:07.44 | cydork | FernandoMM: i am still not clear about the concept :P |
| 17:07.49 | black_13 | when use make-kpg i get the following lines {standard input}:720: Error: suffix or operands invalid for `mov' |
| 17:08.22 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 17:08.39 | cydork | black_13: which version of debian are you using? |
| 17:09.28 | norc | Im looking for a ftpd that is VERY simple to configure, any recommendatiosn? |
| 17:09.28 | black_13 | its actually ubuntu |
| 17:09.28 | Braindead | told ya |
| 17:09.28 | cydork | black_13: then join #ubuntu |
| 17:09.29 | loof | vsftpd |
| 17:09.29 | Braindead | you're a phony! |
| 17:09.29 | norc | black_13: /topic "THIS IS NOT #ubuntu" |
| 17:09.38 | cydork | !beer Braindead |
| 17:09.39 | black_13 | no i peter griffin |
| 17:09.45 | black_13 | are they totally different |
| 17:09.49 | FernandoMM | cydork: well, i will try to use another example. There is package called prelink, it prelink binaries with libraries, but after you apt-get it, you have to run prelink -a to make it work. Why don't we just ask the user if he would like to run it and run for him? |
| 17:10.00 | black_13 | or is this just sibling rivalry? |
| 17:10.19 | cydork | !ubuntu |
| 17:10.20 | dpkg | from memory, ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 17:10.34 | *** part/#debian zck (n=j@unaffiliated/zck) |
| 17:10.35 | Braindead | no,there really are a lot of differences,patches and stuff. lots of stuff,actually |
| 17:10.44 | Braindead | and stuff |
| 17:10.49 | stew | black_13: they are different enough that it is better that you seek ubuntu specific help |
| 17:11.30 | black_13 | stew thanks you seem reasonble thats much bettern then saying "get lost" |
| 17:11.42 | loof | `stew do you know why videos don't scale to fit the window on my system after installing ATI drivers? :( |
| 17:11.48 | cydork | FernandoMM: but that will have some performance issues right? i dont know much about prelink. |
| 17:11.58 | stew | num000: i dunno what that means |
| 17:12.18 | stew | loof: i'm not the one to ask about non-free drivers |
| 17:12.52 | FernandoMM | cydork: well i have to go now, but i'm pretty sure we will have another time to discuss those things. |
| 17:12.56 | loof | well ATI isn't either :P they were bought out |
| 17:13.18 | *** join/#debian HardDisk_WP (n=Marco@velirat.de) |
| 17:13.18 | *** join/#debian yaos (n=yaos@c-3d23e353.1632-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:13.20 | *** join/#debian Yperite (n=XXX@66.97.119-80.rev.gaoland.net) |
| 17:13.33 | HardDisk_WP | rehi |
| 17:13.42 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, vserver restarted |
| 17:15.35 | lunitik | loof: s/were/are in the process of being/ |
| 17:15.36 | Bhavesh | wb |
| 17:15.42 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: how are things looking now? |
| 17:16.06 | lunitik | loof: its still not finalized, although ATI will owe AMD $250 million if it falls through |
| 17:16.11 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, at the moment better. but the owner of the vserver (he pays for it, I am root) had to reboot it yesterday because of same errors |
| 17:16.28 | karsten | HTF do I get xmms to play RM streams, eg: http://www.kqed.org/servlets/playerDispatcher?clipId=radiolive_real&x=57&y=15 |
| 17:16.45 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: seems like sshd/spamd is spawning too many processes ( looking at your pastebin) |
| 17:16.50 | karsten | s/feses/fesses/ |
| 17:17.12 | loof | thanks lunitik, but I still have no clue on where to look for an answer to this problem |
| 17:17.16 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: also spam di had many copies running |
| 17:17.18 | lunitik | karsten: use a player that uses Xine, and install w32codecs... easier |
| 17:17.30 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, again same prob: http://channels.debian.net/paste/4034 |
| 17:17.32 | karsten | lunitik: Such as (player)? |
| 17:17.33 | *** join/#debian jabular (i=jabular@82-32-17-244.cable.ubr03.azte.blueyonder.co.uk) |
| 17:17.39 | abrotman | karsten: totem or kaffiene |
| 17:17.48 | abrotman | totem with the xine backend |
| 17:17.48 | lunitik | karsten: I like kmplayer |
| 17:17.50 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, you are right it is ssh |
| 17:18.02 | HardDisk_WP | but now I got enough mem for analysis |
| 17:18.09 | lunitik | karsten: umm... or amarok, which also uses xine... |
| 17:18.20 | karsten | OK |
| 17:18.29 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: what about email? does the server recevie lot of email? seems like spamd/clamd is working hard |
| 17:18.33 | lunitik | karsten: kaffeine will even set up rm and mms stream helpers... |
| 17:18.47 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, any way to find out about this? i am a bit of debian noob |
| 17:19.03 | lunitik | karsten: although thats rather useless if you're using firefox |
| 17:19.15 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: well i use debian a lot but i am not very good with troubleshooting problems :( |
| 17:19.30 | karsten | lunitik: What is this "firefox" of which you speak? |
| 17:19.44 | abrotman | FF can use the mplayer plugin i suppose |
| 17:19.47 | Bhavesh | abrotman: please help HardDisk_WP :) sshd seems spawning lot of copies |
| 17:19.51 | lunitik | karsten: meh |
| 17:20.05 | abrotman | huh ? |
| 17:20.08 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: what has changed since yesterday? updates? new software? config change? |
| 17:20.12 | abrotman | Bhavesh: it's doing what? |
| 17:20.18 | Bhavesh | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4034 |
| 17:20.28 | HardDisk_WP | Bhavesh, nothing ever changed expect install of python |
| 17:20.35 | HardDisk_WP | but it had memory errors before that |
| 17:20.55 | abrotman | how many people are actually logged into the box ? |
| 17:20.56 | *** join/#debian the_Cat (n=jgrund@195-67-250-138-o294.telia.com) |
| 17:20.56 | lunitik | karsten: Konqi can't log into MySpace here... and refuses to find java plugin... and has a horrible time playing flash files... so firefox is required |
| 17:21.11 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: i have seen memory erros when squid was using up all the memory and swap space |
| 17:21.22 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: abrotman is asking how many people are logged into the system? |
| 17:21.23 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, 2 |
| 17:21.45 | HardDisk_WP | acttually i am 2 people + the other one because i have scp running |
| 17:22.00 | *** join/#debian Florian (n=chatzill@MOT04013.swm.uni-mannheim.de) |
| 17:22.06 | abrotman | well .. that will spawn an sshd |
| 17:22.26 | HardDisk_WP | but that cant explain this big memory usage :-( |
| 17:22.34 | *** join/#debian jor (n=jor@ip51cfee06.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 17:22.35 | HardDisk_WP | as it affects webmin too |
| 17:22.42 | abrotman | webmin affects itself :) |
| 17:23.00 | lunitik | !webmin |
| 17:23.00 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 17:23.01 | abrotman | what's wrong with the memory usage ? |
| 17:23.18 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-135-33-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 17:23.32 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, something consumes all memory |
| 17:23.53 | HardDisk_WP | although CPU is 99% idle |
| 17:23.58 | abrotman | so what? |
| 17:24.00 | Bhavesh | Bhavesh, i have problems with everything. including su, which fails with su: error while loading shared libraries: libcrypt.so.1: cannot map zero-fill pages: Cannot allocate memory |
| 17:24.00 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Is this RSS/VSS or cache+buffers? |
| 17:24.01 | *** join/#debian rvsjoen (n=xtreme@35.84-48-88.nextgentel.com) |
| 17:24.03 | abrotman | paste the results of "free" |
| 17:24.06 | Bhavesh | abrotman: he gets that error message |
| 17:24.06 | lunitik | karsten: totem and kaffeine are just pretty borders around the same backend... pointless installing both |
| 17:24.09 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, the what? |
| 17:24.14 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: 'free' and /msg dpkg paster, paste |
| 17:24.21 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Your mem usage. |
| 17:24.26 | *** join/#debian evil3y3 (n=evil@202.153.87.157) |
| 17:24.56 | HardDisk_WP | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4035 |
| 17:25.13 | HardDisk_WP | I think we have to wait 6 hours and then memory is full again :-( |
| 17:25.32 | *** join/#debian moxle (n=mox@user-254d.parkland.edu) |
| 17:25.38 | HardDisk_WP | shit: top shows again full mem Mem: 8298424k total, 8229356k used, 69068k free, 175164k buffers |
| 17:25.43 | HardDisk_WP | -.- |
| 17:25.45 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: ffs .. what is this box doing ? |
| 17:26.00 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, at the moment nothing than my IRC bouncer miau |
| 17:26.15 | abrotman | HardDisk_WP: doesn't this box have 1GB RAM ? |
| 17:26.33 | HardDisk_WP | abrotman, it is a vserver, i dont know how many "real" ram it really has |
| 17:26.38 | abrotman | oh .. gotcha |
| 17:26.59 | abrotman | if you run top .. sort by CPU anything stand out ? or sort by ram usage .. same thing ? |
| 17:27.12 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: OK: top -b -n 1 |
| 17:27.12 | stew | if its a vserver it could be some other vserver using the ram? |
| 17:27.16 | norc | what are the right packages for full mysql set ? (server, client) |
| 17:27.23 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: ... and paste. Mind your commandline password args. |
| 17:27.26 | abrotman | yes .. -server and -client |
| 17:27.29 | stew | norc: what version of debian? |
| 17:27.33 | norc | stew: sarge |
| 17:27.37 | stew | norc: mysql-server-4.1 mysql-client-4.1 |
| 17:27.43 | norc | stew: thanks :-) |
| 17:27.48 | black_13 | !xorg |
| 17:27.48 | dpkg | xorg is, like, X.Org X11, the reference implementation of the X Window System, forked from XFree86 4.4RC2. The current release is X11R7.1. ask me about <get xorg>, or #xorg |
| 17:27.53 | HardDisk_WP | http://channels.debian.net/paste/4036 |
| 17:28.00 | *** join/#debian cipher_nemo (n=jsuit@about/essy/ISeeDeadTanks/ciphernemo) |
| 17:28.03 | karsten | Anyone know how to sort by memory usage in batchmode for top? |
| 17:28.07 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 17:28.36 | cydork | karsten: batchmode?? |
| 17:28.49 | *** join/#debian basix (n=basix@202.68.154.221) |
| 17:29.00 | karsten | cydork: man top |
| 17:29.36 | HardDisk_WP | wtf? http://channels.debian.net/paste/4037 |
| 17:29.45 | HardDisk_WP | i dunno what is up with the machine |
| 17:30.13 | black_13 | stew i am in quandry i picked ubuntu because i wanted xorg but i need to compile a patched 2.6.10 would my life be easier if i adopted debian and left ubuntu |
| 17:30.19 | stew | karsten: ps aux --sort=vsz ? |
| 17:30.20 | *** join/#debian gimmulf (n=gmf@unaffiliated/gimmulf) |
| 17:30.28 | karsten | stew: OK. |
| 17:30.29 | gimmulf | Where do i set default shell for system? |
| 17:30.35 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: ^^ stew's line |
| 17:31.15 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Um. Looks like bind is your big user. I don't see squid in that output. |
| 17:31.24 | HardDisk_WP | i dont run squid |
| 17:31.34 | HardDisk_WP | ERROR: Unknown sort specifier. |
| 17:31.50 | *** join/#debian RazvanS (i=NoName@84.232.234.192) |
| 17:31.59 | karsten | lunitik: WRT flash, java, etc., I keep FF around specifically for those annoyances. |
| 17:32.20 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: OK, confused w/ someone else. |
| 17:32.37 | HardDisk_WP | ok |
| 17:32.38 | lunitik | karsten: I wish I could get rid of it... but alas, not possible |
| 17:32.55 | stew | black_13: the issues are going to be similar with either. note that you cannot use a recent udev iwth 2.6.10, recent udev requires 2.6.15 |
| 17:32.59 | Bhavesh | karsten: i made a statement earlier that one time i had squid chewing up all the memory sorry for confusion |
| 17:33.33 | black_13 | udev is for hot plugging correct |
| 17:33.35 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: spamd FYI is a very hefty app, and can chew up a lot of RAM and CPU unless specifically limited. I have a PAM limit of 10 users for the spamd user (mail IIRC), might start with something close to that. |
| 17:33.39 | karsten | Bhavesh: OK, thanks. |
| 17:33.40 | black_13 | i dont need it |
| 17:34.19 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: basically, anything that does regex searches over large textbases (spamd, freshclam) might chew up a lot of ram. Looks like your BIND is pretty big too. How many domains are you serving? |
| 17:34.20 | black_13 | all i need to do is build a patched kernel and kernel drivers that come from the motherboard manuf. and run eclipse |
| 17:34.21 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, how do i limit it? |
| 17:34.26 | stew | black_13: it is for firmware loading in more recent versions as well, if you need to load firmware you'd need hotplug |
| 17:34.30 | kingsley | Is there a gui application which counts down to zero, like a kitchen timer? |
| 17:34.36 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, 1 domain |
| 17:34.39 | HardDisk_WP | and 1 ip |
| 17:34.42 | HardDisk_WP | it is velirat.de |
| 17:34.48 | stew | black_13: by hotplug i mean the package |
| 17:34.51 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Hrm. s/freshclam/clamd/ BTW. |
| 17:35.03 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Depends on what the meaning of "it" is. |
| 17:35.18 | stew | black_13: no matter which you use, we'd strongly recommend using make-kpkg for bulding your kenrel, /msg dpkg kp mantra |
| 17:35.29 | black_13 | sure sure |
| 17:35.33 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: ... and bind isn't too outrageous, just sorts high numerically, 54KB. |
| 17:35.33 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, all that harms memory i mean...any way to limit those processes? |
| 17:35.55 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Anything else you'd prefer using the RAM for? |
| 17:36.01 | black_13 | stew the current pia is that the company is based in the uk they are asleep now |
| 17:36.17 | *** join/#debian sepski (n=seppity@217.17.211.51) |
| 17:36.26 | *** join/#debian cbr (n=cbr@84-50-135-33-dsl.rkv.estpak.ee) |
| 17:36.36 | black_13 | stew so how are firmware and udev related? |
| 17:36.46 | black_13 | or might be? |
| 17:36.51 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Using memory doesn't hurt unless you're swapping. Your IO Wait state is 0.2%. Your system load is 0. I'd say you don't particularly have a problem at this point. Is the box server-only or desktop also (looks to be server from process list). |
| 17:36.54 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, using the machine...it is again filled up. i want to run a couple of IRC bots on them |
| 17:37.12 | HardDisk_WP | it is only server. my desktop is windows |
| 17:37.18 | norc | +-- 30 lines: # modules-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
| 17:37.27 | norc | ^ how do I turn off structuring like this in vim? |
| 17:38.00 | abrotman | ask #vim |
| 17:38.08 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: Suggestion: don't mind the memory usage values unless you see swapping as indicated by iowait ('wa' state in top), or as indicated runing 'vmwtat 4' and looking at the 'si' & 'so' (swap in / swap out) values. |
| 17:38.08 | lurker99 | karsten: start 'top' in interactive mode. set up the display you want. save to .toprc ('W'). exit and run in batch mode, it will use the new default setup. |
| 17:38.24 | karsten | HardDisk_WP: ^^ lurker99's post. |
| 17:38.25 | *** join/#debian wamty (n=wamty@196.219.233.95) |
| 17:38.29 | wamty | how do u send msg to other users in ur shell ? |
| 17:38.33 | karsten | lurker99: Ah. |
| 17:38.38 | karsten | !u |
| 17:38.38 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 17:38.39 | abrotman | wamty: talk or write |
| 17:38.42 | cydork | wamty: wall, write |
| 17:38.47 | *** join/#debian PDani_ (n=pdani@catv-5063dd57.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 17:39.12 | wamty | there is some thing u just echo that or something and ur user would see that msg |
| 17:39.21 | abrotman | !tell wamty about u |
| 17:39.24 | karsten | wamty: Speak english? |
| 17:39.29 | karsten | wamty: ... then write it. |
| 17:39.43 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, ok. what to do if it swaps? |
| 17:39.43 | *** join/#debian AhrAsyL (n=QhrQsyL@AOrleans-151-1-81-199.w86-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 17:39.49 | wamty | Sorry abrotman |
| 17:39.55 | wamty | talk admin hi |
| 17:40.01 | wamty | talk: localhost: Unknown host |
| 17:40.11 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:40.17 | karsten | wamty: In your shell. Check your /etc/hosts file, should define localhost |
| 17:40.33 | karsten | Bhavesh: Yep. Basically you've got an idle box. |
| 17:40.45 | wamty | usage: write user [tty] |
| 17:40.53 | wamty | what to put in tty? |
| 17:41.09 | karsten | wamty: echo "127.0.0.1 localhost" >> /etc/hosts |
| 17:41.42 | *** join/#debian nico_ (i=nico@86.68.204.247) |
| 17:41.45 | cydork | wamty: man write |
| 17:41.52 | karsten | wamty: It's an optional argument for users logged in to more than one session. The tty of that session 'w' or 'who' to list users & ttys. |
| 17:41.59 | karsten | !tty |
| 17:42.00 | dpkg | hmm... tty is an abbreviation for "teletype". More generically, it refers to any terminal or terminal emulator. |
| 17:42.11 | *** join/#debian bibleboy (n=chad@ip72-198-27-10.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 17:42.41 | wamty | ok |
| 17:42.51 | *** join/#debian coldboot (n=neil@Toronto-HSE-ppp3712704.sympatico.ca) |
| 17:43.15 | *** join/#debian holycow (n=a@mail.wjsgroup.com) |
| 17:43.19 | wamty | thanks |
| 17:43.51 | *** join/#debian konfuzed (n=Konf@H211.C18.B96.tor.eicat.ca) |
| 17:44.00 | *** join/#debian DaBlade (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 17:44.18 | *** join/#debian DaedalusvX (n=Daedalus@dpc6746209023.direcpc.com) |
| 17:44.28 | *** join/#debian nebo (n=nebo@dslb-088-064-175-083.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 17:45.04 | Bhavesh | karsten: i run setiathome/einstein@home on that machine :) |
| 17:45.05 | HardDisk_WP | karsten, Bhavesh much thanks |
| 17:45.14 | *** join/#debian dingo (n=dingo@221.135.222.112) |
| 17:45.34 | Bhavesh | HardDisk_WP: i didn't do much, you can thank karsten for sure :) |
| 17:46.27 | *** join/#debian jonaskoelker (n=jonas@ip-15-27.bnaa.dk) |
| 17:46.35 | karsten | Bhavesh: Ah. Note that you didn't post load but the system load bits. 'uptime' will show you actual load average. |
| 17:47.01 | karsten | Bhavesh: You're currently runnint 99%+ "niced" load, which makes sense for seti@home. |
| 17:47.08 | Bhavesh | top - 13:47:03 up 129 days, 17:42, 3 users, load average: 2.00, 2.00, 1.99 |
| 17:47.33 | Bhavesh | the machine is dual proc PIII/866 |
| 17:48.30 | cydork | karsten: na folding@home makes more sence than seti@home :P |
| 17:48.37 | jonaskoelker | I just ran into the bug in ttf-opensymbol bug (303693) where tries to update the fontconfig cache before fontconfig is configured. Now my apt-get is wedged. How do I unwedge it and restore my system to a sane state? |
| 17:48.57 | *** part/#debian DaedalusvX (n=Daedalus@dpc6746209023.direcpc.com) |
| 17:48.59 | Bhavesh | no it doesn't :) |
| 17:49.02 | karsten | OK, amarok, playing following stream, popup message "There is no audio channel!" http://www.kqed.org/listen/live/real/kqedradio.ram |
| 17:49.06 | Bhavesh | why would you wanna keep on 'folding'? :) |
| 17:49.12 | jonaskoelker | furthermore, which (fine) manual should I go and read Real Soon Now such that I don't bother you again with this question? |
| 17:49.17 | *** join/#debian sdrawkcab (n=sdrawkca@adsl-215-141-166.aep.bellsouth.net) |
| 17:49.45 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: dpkg --configure -a |
| 17:49.54 | *** join/#debian trelo_bifteki (n=lambros@ppp20-78.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 17:50.05 | *** part/#debian trelo_bifteki (n=lambros@ppp20-78.adsl.forthnet.gr) |
| 17:50.14 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: thanks. |
| 17:50.17 | jonaskoelker | abrotman: ... you again! :) |
| 17:50.35 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: don't tell my mom .. i'm supposed to be at kindergarten today! |
| 17:50.44 | jonaskoelker | dpkg: error processing ttf-opensymbol (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 4 |
| 17:50.44 | *** join/#debian colby (n=colby@lanip-170-65.go180.net) |
| 17:50.51 | abrotman | same thing again ? |
| 17:51.03 | jonaskoelker | yep |
| 17:51.34 | *** join/#debian vi-config (n=jalandu@pool88.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net) |
| 17:51.35 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: you can alter the postinst script to 'exit 0' .. then finish .. then remove it and reinstall that single package |
| 17:51.47 | jonaskoelker | ftp://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/jonas/dpkg--configure-a.txt or http://jonaskoelker.homeunix.org/~jonas/filetransfer/dpkg--configure-a.txt |
| 17:52.10 | abrotman | put the exit 0 at the top |
| 17:52.16 | jonaskoelker | sounds like an ugly hack :) |
| 17:52.22 | abrotman | it is! |
| 17:52.27 | jonaskoelker | where does dpkg store the post-inst again? |
| 17:52.29 | ma3x | karsten: you there? |
| 17:52.31 | abrotman | you're running unstable aren't you ? |
| 17:52.34 | abrotman | /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 17:52.36 | stew | jonaskoelker: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 17:52.36 | jonaskoelker | testing |
| 17:52.45 | *** join/#debian Dead_Body (n=deadbody@70.91.220.98) |
| 17:52.50 | jonaskoelker | (IIRC) |
| 17:52.53 | buu | Hrm. What was the name of the program that did basic source.list configuration including mirror selection? |
| 17:52.55 | karsten | ma3x: Yep. |
| 17:53.00 | abrotman | buu: apt-setup |
| 17:53.01 | jonaskoelker | stable, testing and etch/updates |
| 17:53.20 | *** join/#debian sudev (n=sudev@203.101.0.88) |
| 17:53.57 | jonaskoelker | hmm... could I not also just comment out the "fc-cache -f" bit? |
| 17:54.01 | *** join/#debian DaBlade (n=linuxp2p@unaffiliated/dablade) |
| 17:54.03 | ma3x | karsten: I have a file on a cd and the cd is not that readable. so when I try to copy the file, it copies only half from it. so karsten how can I give a command to copy it again, but resume from there where it stopped? |
| 17:54.07 | abrotman | you could try |
| 17:54.15 | *** join/#debian acidic (n=acidic@70.91.220.98) |
| 17:54.18 | jonaskoelker | and if it breaks, I get to keep both bits, yeah? |
| 17:54.20 | jonaskoelker | :) |
| 17:54.33 | abrotman | both? |
| 17:54.34 | karsten | ma3x: Likely a borked disk. Go to source. |
| 17:54.35 | buu | abrotman: Hrm. Thanks. |
| 17:54.44 | jonaskoelker | jk |
| 17:54.45 | abrotman | buu: afaik .. apt-setup isn't in testing/unstable ... |
| 17:54.51 | ma3x | karsten: what do you mena by that 'go to source' ? |
| 17:54.52 | abrotman | jonaskoelker: more like a dozen or so :) |
| 17:54.57 | jonaskoelker | lol |
| 17:55.00 | ma3x | how can I resume the copying? |
| 17:55.06 | karsten | ma3x: Wherever the CD was recorded from. |
| 17:55.07 | abrotman | stew: have you heard anything about them packaging apt-setup separately ? |
| 17:55.26 | karsten | ma3x: Most disk drivers / filesystem drivers won't resume reading from an arbitrary point, you're back to start of file. |
| 17:55.42 | ma3x | karsten: why can't I resume it? just like in ftp? |
| 17:55.54 | karsten | ma3x: In part because a file on disk is actually a set of linked lists (usually, not sure about iso9660), and you've got to start at the head of the chain to know where to jump to. |
| 17:55.55 | jonaskoelker | now when I run fc-cache -f by hand, it says "/usr/share/fonts": error scanning |
| 17:56.50 | karsten | ma3x: One option _might_ be a special dd that will attempt to read an input stream even if there are errors. |
| 17:56.51 | jonaskoelker | and three other similar lines (for %s in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/, /usr/local/share/fonts/, /var/lib/defoma/fontconfig.d/) |
| 17:56.54 | stew | abrotman: i asked about it. the answer i got was that joeyhhas made it so that it is no longer appropriate to be run separately, and he never liked thought it was appropriate in the first place |
| 17:56.56 | karsten | ma3x: ... I'm searching for that ATM. |
| 17:56.56 | jonaskoelker | what gives? Is this bad? |
| 17:57.13 | karsten | ma3x: ddrescue IIRC. |
| 17:57.23 | *** join/#debian pinucset (n=pinucset@197.Red-80-32-81.staticIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 17:57.24 | stew | abrotman: so there are no plans. people would of course welcome someone writing a newer one. or the old one could be forked |
| 17:57.40 | ma3x | karsten: is it complicated for use? |
| 17:57.43 | Miesco | stew: Do you know how to get the xfont called 'console'? |
| 17:57.53 | karsten | ma3x: Not particularly, but results aren't guaranteed. |
| 17:58.14 | *** join/#debian Thuryn (n=thuryn@88-105-202-200.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) |
| 17:58.16 | *** join/#debian qsrv (n=qsrv@lan-84-240-54-86.vln.skynet.lt) |
| 17:58.16 | ma3x | karsten: of course not, if source is very damaged |
| 17:58.19 | qsrv | hi |
| 17:58.28 | stew | Miesco: dunno. its not in xfonts-base |
| 17:58.38 | qsrv | I'm a bit new to debian (used to be a slackware user) |
| 17:58.43 | Miesco | stew: What font do you use? |
| 17:58.52 | karsten | ma3x: As I said: you've got a borked disk, it's damaged, all your data are not there (insert all-your-base joke) and your best bet is to go to wherever the disk came from. |
| 17:58.57 | Miesco | stew: In xterm |
| 17:59.04 | stew | Miesco: clean / fixed / mono vera sans |
| 17:59.13 | qsrv | could anyone recommend a good guide on how to build a custom kernel "the debian way"? The ones I found are a bit outdated |
| 17:59.15 | karsten | ma3x: If that disk is your only record of the data, don't hold your breath. |
| 17:59.26 | *** join/#debian Dunedan (n=Dunedan@p54B83A70.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 17:59.28 | *** join/#debian Charminthemoose (n=andrew@83.70.163.0) |
| 17:59.31 | karsten | ma3x: apt-cache show ddrescue |
| 17:59.36 | stew | Miesco: it looks now like i have: *font: -*-fixed-medium-r-*-*-18-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 17:59.58 | jonaskoelker | btw, how can I pin a package to "not version $VERSION"? |
| 18:00.02 | jonaskoelker | (if at all) |
| 18:00.09 | stew | Miesco: and Emacs*font: -bitstream-bitstream vera sans mono-medium-r-normal-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-* or Emacs*font: -*-clean-medium-r-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 18:00.36 | karsten | ma3x: You might also want to find out how iso9660 physically stores data on disk. I'm not sure of this myself, but am aware that data and directories are stored seperately (the directory structure is added *AFTER* the data portion). |
| 18:01.16 | *** join/#debian tolsen (n=tim@cyrus.limewire.com) |
| 18:01.25 | *** join/#debian jetx (n=jetscrea@unaffiliated/jetscreamer) |
| 18:02.26 | ma3x | karsten: I have so many DVDRW disks and they all get corrupt just within half an year |
| 18:02.27 | *** join/#debian unreal_ (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 18:02.35 | jetx | etch has a last write time in the future bug. i've seen it on too many installations that have NOT had the clock jacked with. |
| 18:02.49 | jetx | and fsck says it fixes it but never does. |
| 18:02.56 | jetx | or it comes back, rather. |
| 18:03.08 | madclicker | can anyone with etch help me fglrx module to go 3d? |
| 18:03.17 | *** join/#debian livingtm (n=Tim@rrcs-24-97-168-213.nys.biz.rr.com) |
| 18:03.55 | ma3x | karsten: so I will try to rescue some... |
| 18:04.01 | jetx | madclicker: don't use http://kanotix.com/files/install-fglrx-debian.sh |
| 18:04.20 | jetx | it might work, and be easy, so don't. |
| 18:04.25 | madclicker | jetx, i didn't |
| 18:04.29 | jetx | good |
| 18:04.45 | madclicker | jetx, was that a joke? |
| 18:04.58 | jetx | -_- |
| 18:05.04 | madclicker | bastage |
| 18:05.12 | madclicker | nice one |
| 18:05.27 | jetx | you need the linux-headers |
| 18:05.42 | *** part/#debian jonaskoelker (n=jonas@ip-15-27.bnaa.dk) |
| 18:05.44 | jetx | and whatever else it wants.. even though you won't use it |
| 18:05.56 | madclicker | jetx, i do have it, i built the module and all, it loads fine but no 3d |
| 18:06.26 | abrotman | stew: fork it! ... let's make tarzeau do it! |
| 18:06.51 | *** part/#debian IR5896 (i=neminem@213.133.100.120) |
| 18:06.56 | jetx | do glxinfo in an xterm |
| 18:06.57 | ma3x | karsten: what do you do anyway? |
| 18:07.06 | jetx | if you go away we'll know there's a problem |
| 18:07.23 | ma3x | jetx: haha |
| 18:07.24 | stew | abrotman: if i had more time... i need to get my own packages in better shape. and my house in better shape |
| 18:07.37 | jetx | if it says mesa in there that would be why no 3d |
| 18:07.38 | madclicker | jetx, no glxinfo, only gflrxinfo |
| 18:07.55 | ma3x | madclicker: do that |
| 18:07.57 | jetx | apt-get install mesa-utils if you want |
| 18:07.59 | madclicker | fglrxinfo i mean |
| 18:08.07 | jetx | or just do that one |
| 18:08.07 | *** join/#debian oldsparky (n=OldSpark@host209-86-static.104-80-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 18:08.09 | abrotman | stew: you need slave labor! |
| 18:08.19 | *** join/#debian scanf (n=bdeck@46.177.233.220.exetel.com.au) |
| 18:08.28 | madclicker | jetx, Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 18:08.31 | jetx | madclicker: you didn't use that script did you????? |
| 18:08.38 | abrotman | stew: i'm not sure how hard it could be to rip it from base-config |
| 18:08.44 | madclicker | not yet |
| 18:08.45 | jetx | you need dri in xorg.conf and the kernel-modules iirc |
| 18:08.51 | madclicker | am doing it right now |
| 18:08.52 | *** join/#debian ktwilight (n=ktwiligh@87.66.110.217) |
| 18:08.55 | *** join/#debian IndyBC (n=Indy@athedsl-122863.otenet.gr) |
| 18:08.57 | jetx | madclicker: i told you don't, it might work!!! zomg! |
| 18:09.01 | stew | abrotman: i get the feeling you'd have to become upstream |
| 18:09.04 | jetx | anathema! |
| 18:09.11 | IndyBC | When the next stable release will be out? |
| 18:09.12 | Charminthemoose | what happens if i attempt to replace x-window-system-core and xlibmesa-glu with xlibmesa-gl? |
| 18:09.17 | stew | IndyBC: /msg dpkg wwer |
| 18:09.27 | *** join/#debian Salle_ (n=Salle@ADijon-258-1-8-104.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:09.28 | ktwilight | what's the default variable for KPKG_DEST_DIR? |
| 18:09.29 | jetx | i thought it was wir... :) |
| 18:09.31 | IndyBC | stew: ok, thx |
| 18:09.41 | ma3x | karsten: I get errsize: 147 kB. does that mean that size cannot be rescued or what is error size? |
| 18:09.48 | *** part/#debian IndyBC (n=Indy@athedsl-122863.otenet.gr) |
| 18:09.52 | abrotman | stew: but but .. can't i just donate packages? .. jeez |
| 18:09.53 | *** join/#debian Salle_ (n=Salle@ADijon-258-1-8-104.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:10.25 | stew | abrotman: sure. but you'll have to be responsible for them :) |
| 18:10.31 | abrotman | that's not donating! |
| 18:10.49 | Miesco | How do you update xfontsel so it does not show the fonts you just deleted? |
| 18:10.51 | abrotman | i'll do all the initial work .. but once uplaoded .. someone else gets to take over! |
| 18:11.01 | *** join/#debian Salle_ (n=Salle@ADijon-258-1-8-104.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:11.47 | *** join/#debian bond1box (n=jalandu@pool122.dial1-clec.newalb.win.net) |
| 18:11.56 | karsten | ma3x: Sorry, busy... |
| 18:12.25 | karsten | ma3x: what I do? Systems, networking, data, basically. |
| 18:12.40 | abrotman | sit around and fart a lot |
| 18:12.43 | *** part/#debian whatrevolution (n=stupid@c-69-139-116-56.hsd1.ky.comcast.net) |
| 18:12.54 | *** join/#debian aardvarq (i=tgAardva@student301.student.nau.edu) |
| 18:13.16 | *** join/#debian Devils-gamers (n=Devils-g@ADijon-258-1-8-104.w86-213.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 18:13.33 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@64.122.41.37) |
| 18:14.12 | *** join/#debian squid0 (n=yair@dsl-145-23-117.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 18:14.47 | tarzeau | stew, abrotman: what? what? |
| 18:15.06 | abrotman | tarzeau: take over apt-setup! |
| 18:15.09 | *** join/#debian cydork (n=vihang@213-140-21-233.fastres.net) |
| 18:15.09 | tarzeau | i've got a silver fork here! |
| 18:15.12 | stew | tarzeau: abrotman wants you to fork apt-setup |
| 18:15.16 | tarzeau | abrotman: hahaha, THAT crap? |
| 18:15.25 | abrotman | tarzeau: can you do better? |
| 18:15.27 | tarzeau | i can dig a grave for it |
| 18:15.30 | tarzeau | in my garden |
| 18:15.31 | *** join/#debian ji (n=jiiii@c213-100-19-206.swipnet.se) |
| 18:15.35 | abrotman | oh .. oh .. what's that i hear ?.. nothing .. thought so |
| 18:15.43 | *** join/#debian blarghmnky (n=blarghmn@copper-14.dynamic2.rpi.edu) |
| 18:16.03 | tarzeau | abrotman: can you make debian new queue processed faster? |
| 18:16.15 | tarzeau | i'm getting NMU packages against stuff that's in new queue. THAT sucks |
| 18:16.19 | abrotman | tarzeau: i could .. but somehow .. i don't htink it would be right :) |
| 18:16.23 | *** join/#debian dffdd (n=mark@202.164.130.26) |
| 18:16.24 | squid0 | hi. i'm having a bit of trouble with X in Ubuntu Dapper 6.06, where it worked fine in the older version (5.10). Excuse my asking here, but I figured I'd get some meaningful input on this channel... not just questions about how to play DVDs in Ubuntu... |
| 18:16.25 | *** join/#debian michelxz (n=michel@202.72.100.154) |
| 18:16.28 | tarzeau | i'd rather have those packages removed, and re-enter debian than NMUs |
| 18:16.33 | abrotman | squid0: ask #ubuntu |
| 18:16.44 | tarzeau | abrotman: really. do it. nobody wants apt-setup. checked popcon for it? |
| 18:16.53 | tarzeau | abrotman: i've got telnet linuks.mine.nu |
| 18:16.54 | squid0 | abrotman : i will, and if no joy i'll come back here |
| 18:16.56 | abrotman | because it's only in stable . and it's in base-config |
| 18:17.04 | blarghmnky | when i try to apt-get remove the exim4-config pkg, apt is asking to remove subversion, mysql_server, and some other stuff - how can i override that behavior in this instance? |
| 18:17.11 | abrotman | squid0: you should wait there .. they're far better suited to answer your question |
| 18:17.17 | Charminthemoose | should i worry that apt-get is attempting to replace x-window-system-core and xlibmesa-glu with xlibmesa-gl? |
| 18:17.28 | wamty | in httpd.conf, can you put a DirectoryIndex parameter in a <Directory /foo/bar> tag? |
| 18:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
| 18:18.14 | jetx | if it's etch 'probably' not Charminthemoose |
| 18:18.15 | *** join/#debian dffdd (n=mark@202.164.130.26) |
| 18:18.30 | wamty | any idea? |
| 18:18.35 | *** part/#debian squid0 (n=yair@dsl-145-23-117.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 18:18.39 | Charminthemoose | jetx:It's sarge *gulps* |
| 18:18.43 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 18:19.07 | jetx | no idea. apt usually knows it's job though. |
| 18:19.40 | jetx | ~botsnack |
| 18:19.40 | apt | thanks, jetx |
| 18:19.48 | jetx | !botsnack |
| 18:19.49 | dpkg | aw, gee, jetx |
| 18:19.53 | *** join/#debian findlay (n=justin@67.137.24.115) |
| 18:20.03 | Charminthemoose | !sing _toast_ |
| 18:20.09 | Charminthemoose | or not |
| 18:20.15 | jetx | the lost that one |
| 18:20.21 | *** join/#debian nekostar (i=pie@unaffiliated/starscalling) |
| 18:20.23 | jetx | ~sing toast |
| 18:20.33 | jetx | ^they |
| 18:20.50 | Miesco | stew: Where are the fonts located? |
| 18:20.50 | madclicker | jetx, no luck, i still get "(WW) fglrx(0): * DRI initialization failed!" |
| 18:21.00 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.207) |
| 18:21.14 | findlay | I'm trying to get dpkg to list the package name of a package with `dpkg-query --show --showformat="${Package}" postfix`, but it doesn't print anything. What did I do wrong? |
| 18:21.16 | jetx | madclicker: did you load the kernel modules? |
| 18:21.23 | jetx | what card is it |
| 18:21.32 | madclicker | there still might be something from an old install left over |
| 18:21.40 | stew | Miesco: /usr/share/fonts |
| 18:21.54 | madclicker | jetx, the script restart x ibelive |
| 18:22.04 | stew | Miesco: and maybe /etc/X11/fonts |
| 18:23.17 | *** join/#debian cqst (i=cqst@ras75-4-82-229-152-200.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:24.40 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:24.40 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 18:24.48 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 18:24.50 | Miesco | stew: Will update-font-dir update xfontsel fonts? |
| 18:25.48 | madclicker | jetx, just rebooted the system and "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." |
| 18:26.04 | stew | Miesco: i have no idea |
| 18:26.38 | *** join/#debian lordlamer (n=lordlame@p548EE953.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:27.32 | *** join/#debian yogurt2ungue (n=yogurt2u@24-48-231-201.fibertel.com.ar) |
| 18:28.27 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 18:30.14 | tarzeau | abrotman: http://magicor.sourceforge.net/screenshots.shtml |
| 18:30.34 | tarzeau | crap python again |
| 18:31.37 | abrotman | so learn python |
| 18:31.45 | tarzeau | abrotman: that's not the problem |
| 18:32.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: i'd have long ago done http://bub-n-bros.sf.net |
| 18:32.43 | abrotman | but? you're scared of python ? |
| 18:32.48 | jetx | madclicker: is dri enabled in xorg.conf. did you load some kernel dri modules. what kind of card is it. |
| 18:32.52 | tarzeau | no, more like pissed :) |
| 18:32.58 | jetx | i've asked you these >twice |
| 18:33.05 | tarzeau | abrotman: did you look at debians' python policy and then the bnb source? |
| 18:33.08 | jetx | no idea if you answered |
| 18:33.08 | *** join/#debian pac1 (n=fravd@164.Red-217-125-248.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:33.10 | Miesco | stew: What kind of font is 'fixed'? |
| 18:33.21 | abrotman | tarzeau: nope . but there's enough other python stuff |
| 18:33.22 | tarzeau | Miesco: fixed width |
| 18:33.29 | tarzeau | abrotman: but i want bubble bobble |
| 18:33.48 | catalan | debian+fluxbox here. have a little problem: links are not followed when i click them on a mail client, or X-chat wtc. it used to be that firefox would fire up and open up the link, now nothing happens... |
| 18:34.32 | abrotman | update-alternatives |
| 18:34.35 | abrotman | tarzeau: so what's wrong? |
| 18:34.57 | madclicker | jetx, original ATI 9700 AIW |
| 18:35.08 | jetx | ok that's one. |
| 18:35.14 | *** join/#debian jhonn (n=juangiff@mail.latinvalley.com) |
| 18:35.24 | jhonn | hello |
| 18:35.30 | Miesco | tarzeau: I mean the font family "fixed" |
| 18:35.33 | madclicker | jetx, i get this :http://pastebin.ca/199738 |
| 18:35.35 | jhonn | what is the command to configure network in debian??? |
| 18:35.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: the files is all in a directory more or less, and expecting the stuff there... try to clutter it randomly around like usual unix software (not the /opt one) |
| 18:35.48 | Miesco | Like truetype, etc |
| 18:35.51 | *** join/#debian drewish (i=drewish@c-24-20-17-33.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 18:35.53 | tarzeau | Miesco: yeah, can you provide a set of answers you expect? |
| 18:35.58 | jhonn | the command to launch the configuration wizzard of network interfaces in debian??? |
| 18:36.02 | tarzeau | Miesco: no it's not truetype, it's bitmapped |
| 18:36.12 | Miesco | tarzeau: ARe all xfonts bitmapped? |
| 18:36.14 | tarzeau | jhonn: $EDITOR |
| 18:36.17 | karsten | jhonn: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:36.26 | karsten | jhonn: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:36.35 | jetx | madclicker: when will you answer my other two questions... one of which is answered on your paste |
| 18:36.36 | Miesco | Where can I get a list of values I can use for $TERM |
| 18:36.36 | tarzeau | Miesco: you question asks for a spanking |
| 18:36.39 | abrotman | tarzeau: i'm sure you oculd fix that |
| 18:36.46 | dotCOMmie | 14:36:13| < Miesco> tarzeau: ARe all xfonts bitmapped? |
| 18:36.47 | dotCOMmie | 14:36:15| < tarzeau> jhonn: $EDITOR |
| 18:36.47 | dotCOMmie | 14:36:18| < karsten> jhonn: vi /etc/network/interfaces |
| 18:36.50 | dotCOMmie | pardon |
| 18:36.57 | jetx | madclicker: use modconf, load the radeon module |
| 18:36.59 | *** part/#debian pac1 (n=fravd@164.Red-217-125-248.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 18:37.00 | tarzeau | abrotman: certainly, i could also go gardening |
| 18:37.03 | *** join/#debian Bry2k200 (n=Bry2k200@S0106001310688e48.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 18:37.04 | jetx | it's in drm |
| 18:37.05 | madclicker | jetx, sry, i missed it in all the exitment |
| 18:37.06 | catalan | i did update-alternatives and it says that there's only one web browser (firefox) and theres nothing to configure (which is true). so I don't see the reason why click on a link in a app doesn't open firefox.. |
| 18:37.12 | madclicker | can you repeat it plz? |
| 18:37.19 | *** join/#debian streuner (i=foobar@p54A5FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:37.24 | jetx | kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon |
| 18:37.30 | jhonn | karsten: hey but that is a config file... I want an wizzard or something like that |
| 18:37.35 | jetx | /lastlog jetx |
| 18:37.36 | Miesco | tarzeau: Where can I get the values for $TERM? |
| 18:37.38 | karsten | jhonn: That's your wizard. |
| 18:37.40 | *** join/#debian psycose (n=psycose@lev92-2-82-228-131-58.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 18:37.42 | tarzeau | jhonn: then write one or try #ubuntu |
| 18:37.50 | jetx | madclicker: /lastlog jetx |
| 18:38.01 | drewish | i'm having trouble getting php5-cli to load the mysql extension. i've uncommented the extension=mysql.so in the /etc/php5/cli/php.ini file (which `php -i` says it's using) but it's not appearing in the the module list. any ideas? |
| 18:38.13 | tarzeau | jhonn: often graphical applications limit all the possibilities one can do in a configuration file, since designing great graphical software is not an easy task |
| 18:38.19 | karsten | jhonn: What's your problem with config files exactly? |
| 18:38.27 | tarzeau | jhonn: like some GNOME and KDE developers think, you can see when you try some of that software |
| 18:39.22 | *** part/#debian blarghmnky (n=blarghmn@copper-14.dynamic2.rpi.edu) |
| 18:39.43 | madclicker | jetx,about dri, i have not a clue, i don't see anything besides "Section "DRI" |
| 18:39.43 | madclicker | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.03 | jhonn | tarzeau: when I reconfigure the interfaces config... what is the command to restart the interfaces and get new values??? |
| 18:40.23 | madclicker | jetx, "did you load some kernel dri modules" how can i tell? |
| 18:40.35 | *** part/#debian jcole (i=jcole@nat/hp/x-08ac135dac8dfb5a) |
| 18:40.47 | tarzeau | jhonn: they are buggy, depending on the current state of the network cards |
| 18:40.48 | karsten | jhonn: ifup / ifdown |
| 18:40.49 | jetx | madclicker you either did or you didn't. |
| 18:40.50 | karsten | jhonn: man ifupdown |
| 18:40.59 | tarzeau | karsten: they often fail |
| 18:41.11 | tarzeau | karsten: i can for the sake of god not understand why they were not fixed, long long ago |
| 18:41.12 | karsten | tarzeau: ?? |
| 18:41.25 | madclicker | jetx, fglrx 396524 0 |
| 18:41.25 | madclicker | agpgart 29864 2 fglrx,intel_agp |
| 18:41.26 | jetx | madclicker: as i said: use modconf, go to kernel/drivers/char/drm, load the radeon module |
| 18:41.29 | tarzeau | karsten: try to bring up or down a half up , up without ip nic or the other way around |
| 18:41.33 | *** join/#debian timthelion (n=timothy@pool-71-112-110-242.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 18:41.37 | karsten | tarzeau: what are you telling me this for? |
| 18:41.46 | karsten | !fishsmite tarzeau |
| 18:42.00 | tarzeau | karsten: because you suggest using ifup/ifdown |
| 18:42.06 | jetx | madclicker: then may or may not need to add dri to the module section in xorg.conf, up at the top, where glx is |
| 18:42.12 | tarzeau | karsten: and i'm telling, they can drive one crazy |
| 18:42.30 | karsten | tarzeau: Point. ifdown/ifup, if that doesn't work, ifconfig iface down |
| 18:42.41 | Hoxzer | :) |
| 18:42.50 | d0uglas | madclicker: which radeon do you have? |
| 18:42.53 | timthelion | hey, I have a pc running kubuntu and a laptop running debian sed. I need to make it so that I can sync the two homefolders, excluding a few files. and I want versoning is there a good system for doing this? |
| 18:43.00 | karsten | tarzeau: Wasn't clear from context if you were referring to me WRT ifupdown or jhonn WRT config wizards. |
| 18:43.07 | *** join/#debian tminos (n=ben@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:0:0:0:31) |
| 18:43.18 | karsten | timthelion: SCM, in general. |
| 18:43.20 | *** join/#debian ktwilight (n=ktwiligh@87.66.110.217) |
| 18:43.22 | karsten | !tell timthelion about SCM |
| 18:43.30 | *** join/#debian Bry2k200 (n=Bry2k200@S0106001310688e48.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 18:43.34 | jetx | madclicker: as in Load"dri" |
| 18:44.10 | jetx | d0uglas: he pasted it a little above |
| 18:44.14 | *** join/#debian Charminthemoose (n=andrew@83.70.163.0) |
| 18:44.14 | jetx | 9700 aiw |
| 18:44.15 | karsten | dpkg svn home is http://kitenet.net/~joey/svnhome.html |
| 18:44.15 | dpkg | okay, karsten |
| 18:44.21 | *** join/#debian Hydroxide (i=user@debian/developer/jimmy) |
| 18:44.22 | karsten | timthelion: ^^ svn home |
| 18:44.56 | madclicker | jetx, WARNING: Error inserting drm (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/drm.ko): Cannot allocate memory and also FATAL: Error inserting radeon (/lib/modules/2.6.17-2-686/kernel/drivers/char/drm/radeon.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) |
| 18:44.56 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 18:44.56 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ebv161.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 18:45.12 | jetx | maybe it's the fglrx one then |
| 18:45.15 | ktwilight | hm, i've installed ndiswrapper, installed the driver, modprobed it, and no error, but i still can't see wlan0 at all, any ideas? |
| 18:45.18 | *** join/#debian palandir` (n=palandir@p54A9CECB.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:45.20 | jetx | i forget only did ati once |
| 18:45.49 | jetx | madclicker: try modprobe fglrx then edit xorg.conf then restart x |
| 18:46.04 | *** join/#debian Huahua (n=hua_@122.0.229.136) |
| 18:46.40 | *** join/#debian maelztrom (i=nobody@tunnel1.cotse.net) |
| 18:46.42 | madclicker | jetx, i am in X and fglrx is already loaded |
| 18:46.49 | d0uglas | madclicker: i've given up on trying to get fglrx going on my radeon igp 320m |
| 18:46.53 | d0uglas | same problems |
| 18:47.17 | madclicker | d0uglas, it's been a week, i have no more hair left |
| 18:48.15 | d0uglas | madclicker: i take it you installed xserver-xorg-video-ati right... |
| 18:48.46 | madclicker | d0uglas, yes |
| 18:49.05 | madclicker | if not that i get vesa only |
| 18:49.10 | *** join/#debian Pluk (n=Pluk@12-68-dsl.ipact.nl) |
| 18:49.18 | *** join/#debian rumpl (n=rumpl@m87.net81-66-199.noos.fr) |
| 18:49.27 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 18:49.57 | drewish | anyone know if you've got to do anything funky to add php extensions to php-cli? |
| 18:50.30 | Miesco | Whats a font thats like the font in console? |
| 18:50.39 | d0uglas | madclicker: does glxgears fire up at all? |
| 18:50.48 | d0uglas | Miesco: courrier? |
| 18:51.20 | karsten | d0uglas: It's like courier, but has two 'r' glyphs. |
| 18:51.33 | *** join/#debian digits (n=digits@xenanders.adm.kazon.net) |
| 18:51.34 | *** join/#debian ninjak (n=ninjak@adsl-ull-214-141.41-151.net24.it) |
| 18:51.37 | *** join/#debian SHS` (i=SHS_@phpbb/manager/SHS) |
| 18:52.12 | digits | How do I find out why a package update is held back? |
| 18:52.27 | Miesco | d0uglas: No it does not |
| 18:52.54 | *** join/#debian t1kka (n=t1kkadee@83.170.71.9) |
| 18:53.03 | *** join/#debian caplink811-log (n=caplink8@dslb-088-073-021-067.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 18:53.16 | *** join/#debian ft (n=hawk@212.117.84.3) |
| 18:53.24 | karsten | digits: Best bet IMO is to run aptitude interactively and look at the depends/conflicts lines for the package. |
| 18:53.34 | digits | karsten: ok |
| 18:53.47 | karsten | digits: General reason: the package depends on something not yet available. APT is doing its job. testing/unstable? |
| 18:54.10 | digits | karsten: sarge stable |
| 18:54.29 | t1kka | I would like some help, vsftpd allows me to login as the very first user that the debian installation created after root but any accounts created using adduser will not allow me to login. Anyone know why? |
| 18:54.40 | digits | karsten: but i'm trying to install a package from backports, so yeah... it's some dependancy - i'm not overly used to debian yet... |
| 18:54.55 | *** join/#debian numer (n=numer@e177181241.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 18:55.01 | *** join/#debian Garbaek (n=virtus@87.72.33.85) |
| 18:55.03 | Miesco | How come in programs like mc the lines are not lines |
| 18:55.04 | karsten | digits: interactive aptitude is useful in that regard. |
| 18:55.09 | karsten | digits: You can also resolve the deps. |
| 18:55.16 | karsten | Miesco: Restate your question. |
| 18:55.22 | num000 | stew: do you know how to hint a mp4 file? |
| 18:55.40 | digits | karsten: found it |
| 18:55.56 | *** join/#debian ptlis (n=ptlis@host-87-75-129-20.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 18:56.09 | *** join/#debian Braindead (n=braindea@81-208-60-194.ip.fastwebnet.it) |
| 18:56.12 | Bhavesh | BRB getting some coffee |
| 18:56.25 | Miesco | karsten: How come the lines in mc are like characters instead of lines |
| 18:56.45 | karsten | Miesco: The line-drawing characters? |
| 18:56.54 | Miesco | karsten: Yes |
| 18:56.56 | karsten | Miesco: bad font support. There's an option for that. |
| 18:56.57 | *** join/#debian catalan (n=tomek@chello084010143052.chello.pl) |
| 18:57.17 | karsten | Miesco: as opposed to, say, EOL within files, which was another option (and the one I |
| 18:57.24 | karsten | ...'d first thought of). |
| 18:57.33 | Miesco | karsten: Well its like that in all the programs |
| 18:57.38 | karsten | Miesco: 'mc -a' |
| 18:57.45 | karsten | Miesco: man mc |
| 18:57.52 | stew | num000: i don't know what it means to "hint" |
| 18:58.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 724] by debhelper |
| 18:58.07 | karsten | stew: psst! |
| 18:58.22 | Miesco | karsten: Well what font do you use in xterm? |
| 19:00.05 | catalan | i did "update-alternatives --config x-www-browser" and it says theres only one x-www-browser (firefox, thats true) and notrhing to configure... but clicking on a link in ext app doesnt open the browser, and when i try to run the browser with 'x-www-browser' command gives me "command not found"... why could that be? |
| 19:00.06 | karsten | Miesco: 6x13 |
| 19:01.03 | Miesco | karsten: Whats the fndry? |
| 19:01.31 | karsten | Miesco: -misc-fixed-medium-r-semicondensed--13-120-75-75-c-60-iso8859-1 |
| 19:03.03 | Bhavesh | back |
| 19:03.09 | Miesco | karsten: How do you read that? |
| 19:03.45 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: back |
| 19:04.03 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I just removed the libglu1-mesa-dev package. |
| 19:04.05 | karsten | Miesco: foundry: misc, face: fixed, weight: medium, |
| 19:04.40 | Miesco | karsten: No, how do you read the actuall font |
| 19:04.42 | ma3x | erm karsten what systems you do? debian only? |
| 19:04.43 | *** join/#debian squid0 (n=yair@dsl-145-23-117.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 19:04.52 | ma3x | how can I see the md5 sum of a file? |
| 19:04.56 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: That allowed me to remove nvidia-glx-dev |
| 19:04.56 | *** part/#debian drewish (i=drewish@c-24-20-17-33.hsd1.or.comcast.net) |
| 19:04.59 | ma3x | and does every file have some kind of signature? |
| 19:05.02 | peterS | ma3x: with the md5sum command |
| 19:05.20 | squid0 | hi! i'm having some trouble with an HP Omnibook xe4500 under Dapper... X says, 'no screens found'. Can you help me please? I've posted my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.ca/199749 . I've tried on #ubuntu, with no joy :( |
| 19:05.30 | karsten | Miesco: I don't understand. It's a roman, fixed, font. |
| 19:05.32 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: does the nvidia updated drivers need to use the 2.6.18-2-486 kernel or can I install the 2.6.18-1-k7 kernel? |
| 19:05.33 | peterS | ma3x: not every file has a signature, see /usr/share/misc/magic or /usr/share/file/magic for information about file types that do have some sort of known signature |
| 19:05.55 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 19:06.02 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: i am using k7 with no problems |
| 19:06.09 | h3sp4wn | smacnay: If there is no module there you can use module-assistant to build it |
| 19:06.17 | karsten | ma3x: Only if the signature's been created. 'md5sum <file>' or 'openssl sha1 <file>' for md5 & SHA1 sums. Note that md5 is NOT considered cryptographically secure. |
| 19:06.22 | Miesco | karsten: How do you read the font on the screen |
| 19:06.27 | karsten | Miesco: With my eyes. |
| 19:06.35 | karsten | Miesco: I do not understand your question. |
| 19:06.47 | simonrvn | and sha1 is going to get dubious pretty soon |
| 19:06.55 | karsten | simonrvn: Right. |
| 19:06.57 | madclicker | jetx, i made the changes to modconf and added radeon, still no cigar |
| 19:07.00 | Miesco | karsten: Do you know how I can get a font that looks like the console font? |
| 19:07.01 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: ah, now apt-get dist-upgrade is finishing the install of all the packages that were waiting for the nvidia-glx-dev issue to resolve. |
| 19:07.12 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: now to reinstall all the nvidia stuff. m-a ? |
| 19:07.37 | karsten | Miesco: Your best bet is to paste screenshots. |
| 19:07.41 | abrotman | squid0: tried #ati ? |
| 19:07.45 | catalan | update-alternatives --auto x-www-browser did the trick :) |
| 19:08.21 | karsten | Miesco: "console" as in non-graphical interface, VCs 1-6 typically on Debian, are VGA screen fonts. They're *NOT* X fonts. The misc-fixed font is the standard xterm-style font for X11. |
| 19:08.30 | simonrvn | is ftp.debian.org's link saturated? |
| 19:09.04 | karsten | simonrvn: I've had problems with it for a week or more, on rare occasions when accessed. |
| 19:09.09 | *** join/#debian dr_wut (n=gimp@adsl-144-66-27.mia.bellsouth.net) |
| 19:09.13 | simonrvn | 28% [1 apache2 1818280/6342kB 28%] 17.3kB/s 4m26s |
| 19:09.19 | simonrvn | and worse |
| 19:09.20 | Miesco | karsten: I want one though |
| 19:09.32 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: m-a update; m-a prepare; m-a a-i nvidia |
| 19:09.43 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: still can't install nvidia-glx-dev |
| 19:09.45 | karsten | Miesco: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Images/screen-20050512-67.png |
| 19:09.47 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: if all goes well, just start X |
| 19:09.50 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: hmm |
| 19:09.52 | karsten | Miesco: That's roughly my screen as it appears. |
| 19:09.59 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: try apt-get update |
| 19:10.08 | simonrvn | i just had a PITA of a time dealing with apache2 "upgrade" and now the fucking daemon doesn't accept POST data .... !!! |
| 19:10.11 | x_link | karsten: Hi, I bought something yesterday, I have a picture of it. Can I send it you ? Cause I use it for something else and I want to ask if that will help. Is that okey ? |
| 19:10.12 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: it looks like your package list is out of sync with itself |
| 19:10.23 | x_link | karsten: Cause the picture will show you how I "installed" it. |
| 19:10.29 | x_link | Just a small picture. |
| 19:10.32 | abrotman | yep .. cinches it .. karsten is weird |
| 19:11.06 | simonrvn | DON'T DDS TEST THE SOFTWARE THEY BUILD ANYMORE!? |
| 19:11.15 | karsten | x_link: ?? |
| 19:11.18 | karsten | x_link: Post URL. |
| 19:11.35 | x_link | I can't upload it, the site I have my pictures on isn't up. |
| 19:11.36 | karsten | abrotman: ?? |
| 19:11.38 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: the error is about the diversion for nvidia-glx-dev clashes with the diversion for nvidia-glx |
| 19:11.42 | x_link | karsten: I took the picture myself. |
| 19:11.59 | Miesco | karsten: What windows manager do you use? |
| 19:12.05 | karsten | !windowmaker |
| 19:12.05 | dpkg | i guess windowmaker is the BRAZILIAN window manager, flexible and highly configurable. Developed by Alfredo K. Kojima <kojima@conectiva.com.br>. |
| 19:12.09 | simonrvn | i'd be embarrassed and want to fix it right away, or ASAP, if i knew a package i maintained was borked |
| 19:12.36 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: dpkg-divert: `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx-dev' clashes with `diversion of |
| 19:12.39 | smacnay | /usr/lib/libGL.so to /usr/lib/nvidia/libGL.so.xlibmesa by nvidia-glx' |
| 19:12.46 | Bhavesh | am i the only crazy enough person who thinks that looking at mail.log and watching emails get rejected fun activit? |
| 19:12.46 | smacnay | short paste - sorry if it offends |
| 19:13.19 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 19:13.48 | karsten | Bhavesh: It _is_ cheap entertainment. |
| 19:13.53 | Miesco | karsten: How do I make a screenshot? |
| 19:13.55 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: seems that nvidia-glx-dev want to divert to the same file name as nvidia-glx |
| 19:14.44 | Miesco | karsten: I want this font: http://qodem.sourceforge.net/console.png |
| 19:14.50 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: aren't the package versions different too? |
| 19:14.57 | karsten | Miesco: aptitude install imagemagick; import -window root <filename> |
| 19:15.12 | karsten | Miesco: filename extension determines image format, eg: screen.png |
| 19:15.32 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: both are "nvidia-glx_1.0.8774-4_i386.deb and nvidia-glx-dev_1.0.8774-4_i386.deb" |
| 19:15.39 | abrotman | Bhavesh: you could install ippl .. and watch that |
| 19:15.41 | *** join/#debian drzed (n=drzed@synflood.homelinux.org) |
| 19:15.49 | drzed | hi there! |
| 19:15.55 | squid0 | abrotman : good idea |
| 19:16.01 | abrotman | squid0: i know :) |
| 19:16.03 | drzed | i just did an distp-upgrade on one of my etch boxes |
| 19:16.35 | drzed | but i cant complete the upgade bc/ of this error: Can't modify pattern match (m//) in local at -e line 2, near "and" |
| 19:16.47 | drzed | more details can be found here: http://phpfi.com/162971 |
| 19:16.55 | Miesco | karsten: Here is my desktop: http://miesco.homelinux.org/~shawn/screen.png |
| 19:16.56 | drzed | how can i fix this? |
| 19:17.02 | wamty | Was wondering... Is Xfce nicer on the system resources than KDE? |
| 19:17.17 | Charminthemoose | why would someone use etch?isn't it the grand judicator of all things easily breakable? |
| 19:17.19 | Ronin | wamty: much easier |
| 19:17.26 | wamty | Can I still run software like Kate and K3B while using the Xfce? |
| 19:17.30 | Miesco | karsten: Did it work? |
| 19:17.30 | Ronin | Charminthemoose: no that would be sid it seems some days :) |
| 19:17.54 | lunitik | wamty: sure... but it will take longer to load... because you'd have to load all qt libs every time... |
| 19:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 717] by debhelper |
| 19:18.06 | lunitik | (whereas if you run kde itself, all the libs are already loaded) |
| 19:18.13 | karsten | Miesco: That's a VGA font. There are several for dosemu (xfonts-dosemu, xfonts-terminus-dos) but I can't seem to get them to work w/ rxvt despite being listed in xlsfonts. |
| 19:18.18 | Charminthemoose | oh yeah,isn't etch the latest testing version? |
| 19:18.27 | lunitik | Charminthemoose: yes |
| 19:18.29 | d0uglas | Charminthemoose: yes |
| 19:18.32 | d0uglas | ah. |
| 19:18.38 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: hmm |
| 19:18.41 | Charminthemoose | ah. |
| 19:18.42 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: do you need -dev? |
| 19:18.44 | Miesco | karsten: What do you mean work with rxvt, like lines and stuff? |
| 19:18.47 | karsten | Miesco: Not loading. |
| 19:18.58 | Miesco | karsten: THey work for me with mrxvt |
| 19:19.04 | karsten | rxvt -fn vga: unable to deduce codeset, ignoring font 'vga' |
| 19:19.05 | Braindead | Miesco: aptitude search ~nterminus ,try the terminus font |
| 19:19.07 | drzed | or is it possible to leave the pkg. at the old version? |
| 19:19.08 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: maybe not?? |
| 19:19.11 | *** join/#debian MCCCXXXVII (n=seraph@cpe-72-185-21-238.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 19:19.15 | lunitik | Charminthemoose: its basically things that aren't breaking on peoples Sid boxes |
| 19:19.16 | wamty | luckily, I don't need to turn of the computer (or Kate) very often. It can just stay on and up for a week or three. |
| 19:19.45 | Miesco | Braindead: I dont like the terminus font |
| 19:19.49 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: i don't think you do |
| 19:19.55 | karsten | Miesco: Works with xterm. Should be the font you want. My rxvt is unicode, apparently thinks too hard trying to manage VGA font. |
| 19:20.01 | Miesco | karsten: The screenshot isn't loading? |
| 19:20.04 | Braindead | yeah the vga font is so cute. it's warm and fuzzy. I see |
| 19:20.28 | karsten | Miesco: Nope. |
| 19:20.31 | Miesco | karsten: Do you need to make $TERM=rxvt or something if you have rxvt? |
| 19:20.32 | karsten | x_link: /msg me |
| 19:20.47 | karsten | Miesco: as I said, rxvt wasn't happy with 'vga' font, xterm is. |
| 19:20.48 | Miesco | karsten: What about ping miesco.homelinux.org |
| 19:20.58 | cydork | lunitik, wtf? who said that? |
| 19:21.05 | karsten | Miesco: timeout to server on http://miesco.homelinux.org/~shawn/screen.png |
| 19:21.08 | *** join/#debian sol (n=Johnny@chello080109141057.tirol.surfer.at) |
| 19:21.17 | Miesco | karsten: Can you ping miesco.homelinux.org? |
| 19:21.20 | lunitik | cydork: for one example, Mark Shuttleworths blog |
| 19:21.38 | karsten | Miesco: Looks like a port80 block. |
| 19:21.47 | lunitik | cydork: quite a few people are quoting it though |
| 19:21.53 | Trewas | lunitik: look at popcon, though that tells only popcon package versions and they are generally the same in testing and unstable |
| 19:22.02 | karsten | Miesco: portscanning you FYI. |
| 19:22.12 | Trewas | lunitik: but that percentage is quite right |
| 19:22.20 | karsten | lunitik: possibly based on mirrors traffic. |
| 19:22.52 | x_link | karsten: Okey. |
| 19:22.58 | stew | popcon also claims we have more arm users than ppc users, and that can't possibly be right |
| 19:23.02 | madclicker | anyone with etch managed to install fglrx on their system/ |
| 19:23.08 | *** join/#debian jesseman_ (n=jesse@c-68-58-211-76.hsd1.sc.comcast.net) |
| 19:23.10 | madclicker | ? |
| 19:23.18 | *** join/#debian p0seidon (n=poseidon@client-86-27-95-111.winn.adsl.virgin.net) |
| 19:23.18 | x_link | karsten: Sorry karsten. I was looking at my hdd that I got from a friend today. |
| 19:23.21 | d0uglas | i bet if you polled people on irc.debian.org you'd get a lower percentage of sid users than you would on freenode... |
| 19:23.24 | karsten | stew: Well, there should be two arms for every pp ;-) |
| 19:23.31 | stew | karsten: \*/ |
| 19:23.33 | x_link | I will plug it in soon, but the jumpers are to pushed in. So i can't reach them. |
| 19:23.39 | karsten | stew: ... if not four, for a gender-neutral user mix. |
| 19:23.46 | x_link | karsten: I just messaged you in PM. |
| 19:23.51 | karsten | Miesco: Only open port is 113. |
| 19:24.05 | *** join/#debian cheesy (n=cheesy@88.134.90.82) |
| 19:24.28 | karsten | Miesco: check your apache config. Maybe run it on an alternate port (say, 8000, 8080). |
| 19:24.40 | d0uglas | can i use tor to vnc to ssh to my office computer which is behind a firewall? |
| 19:24.59 | x_link | karsten: Why do you wanted me to message you ? |
| 19:25.05 | d0uglas | err to ssh not vnc |
| 19:25.05 | Ronin | d0uglas: best just to ask your office it folks, good way to get let go bypassing security |
| 19:25.06 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: didn't need glx-dev |
| 19:25.07 | *** join/#debian wheel (i=wheel@68-119-21-123.dhcp.stcd.mn.charter.com) |
| 19:25.12 | Miesco | karsten: hmm, no, I have lots of ports open on this computer and its port forwarded |
| 19:25.22 | d0uglas | Ronin: the it lady is mean |
| 19:25.31 | Miesco | karsten: Whats the IP address for miesco.homelinux.org?? |
| 19:25.32 | Ronin | d0uglas: so? thats her job |
| 19:25.33 | karsten | Miesco: bell.ca may port block. |
| 19:25.36 | karsten | Miesco: 64.231.247.49 |
| 19:25.42 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: maybe I had it in there for mplayer or some other app. I got it working without glx-dev. x is up and running - thanks a lot for your time and help. |
| 19:25.44 | d0uglas | let's see how good she is at her job |
| 19:25.48 | *** join/#debian yaos (n=yaos@c-3d23e353.1632-1-64736c12.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 19:25.50 | d0uglas | ehh you're right... |
| 19:25.56 | Miesco | karsten: It has worked before |
| 19:25.58 | karsten | d0uglas: If your company's VPN allows port 22, yes, you should be able to ssh. |
| 19:26.09 | karsten | x_link: read /msg |
| 19:26.18 | karsten | Miesco: Not working now. |
| 19:26.41 | d0uglas | karsten: you mean not using tor |
| 19:26.41 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: no problem |
| 19:26.46 | Miesco | karsten: http://69.158.162.57/~shawn/screen.png |
| 19:27.05 | karsten | d0uglas: Ah. Hrm. Good question. |
| 19:27.08 | Trewas | stew: don't quite many hackable routers use arm processors? that might explain why there is surprisingly many arm-boxes in popcon |
| 19:27.12 | x_link | karsten: What message ? |
| 19:27.14 | *** join/#debian inimesekene (n=inimesek@217-159-182-189-dsl.trt.estpak.ee) |
| 19:27.18 | karsten | d0uglas: Suggest you try it. |
| 19:27.26 | karsten | x_link: Mine. To you. |
| 19:27.29 | karsten | Miesco: Works. |
| 19:27.35 | karsten | Miesco: What am I looking for? |
| 19:27.36 | x_link | I didn't get any message |
| 19:27.42 | *** join/#debian Benton (n=Benton@p50894C7A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 19:27.44 | stew | Trewas: there are not more routers running debian then there are macintoshes running debian |
| 19:27.48 | d0uglas | karsten: i guess ronin's right, not much point in pissing off the IT lady |
| 19:28.13 | stew | nor is it the case that there is a s390 running debian for every ten ppc computers running debian |
| 19:28.25 | d0uglas | i just don't think she knows what port forwarding is beyond it being a Bad Thing, let alone how to do it |
| 19:28.30 | karsten | d0uglas: Yeah, I'd sort it with policy. It's becoming fairly common to restrict both ports and allowed IP ranges. |
| 19:28.41 | Miesco | karsten: See that font, thats what I want |
| 19:28.44 | Charminthemoose | Speaking of IT,i'm going to be helping setting up the computers for BT's young scientist exhibition in Ireland this year! |
| 19:28.48 | karsten | d0uglas: Oh. You want to port forward your work box back out? |
| 19:28.50 | Miesco | karsten: But the lines dont work |
| 19:28.52 | Charminthemoose | yay |
| 19:28.56 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 19:28.57 | x_link | karsten: Write the message again, cause I didn't get any from you. |
| 19:29.16 | Bhavesh | what's ippl? |
| 19:29.16 | karsten | d0uglas: I'd *definitely* confirm that before doing it. Termination offense in a lot of shops. |
| 19:29.21 | karsten | !ippl |
| 19:29.21 | dpkg | methinks ippl is at http://www.via.ecp.fr/~hugo/ippl/ (IP Protocols Logger) or a configurable program to log all tcp/icmp/udp packets/connection attempts to any port on a system or a new and improved superset of iplogger, tcplogd, etc.. It lacks examples of configuration unfortunately., or check http://larve.net/ippl/ |
| 19:29.30 | smacnay | how does one list all packages currently on "hold" |
| 19:29.33 | *** part/#debian squid0 (n=yair@dsl-145-23-117.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 19:29.34 | madclicker | d0uglas, did you managed to make it work? |
| 19:29.41 | karsten | Miesco: vga doesn't have line-drawing terminals, then. You had the 'mc' issue, right? 'mc -a' |
| 19:29.58 | Miesco | karsten: I want this font: -misc-console-*-*-*-*-16-*-*-*-*-*-*-* |
| 19:30.01 | *** join/#debian andreiutz (n=andrei@86.106.165.148) |
| 19:30.08 | Miesco | karsten: I used that font had had line drawing |
| 19:30.09 | karsten | Miesco: Then specify it. |
| 19:30.14 | Miesco | karsten: I dont have it |
| 19:30.17 | x_link | karsten: I don't get any message from you |
| 19:30.19 | *** join/#debian Zesty (n=zest@user-5446bab9.lns6-c12.dsl.pol.co.uk) |
| 19:30.23 | Trewas | stew: well, I'd expect most of the mac users stay with osx... but I guess the main point is that popcon numbers do not necessarily reflect the reality and that I can agree on :) |
| 19:30.26 | Miesco | karsten: I dont know what package has it |
| 19:30.29 | d0uglas | madclicker: heh barely... i feel guilty though, they don't pay me to get fglrx working on my own laptop |
| 19:30.33 | Bhavesh | karsten: thank you.. i am trying not to install any other software on this server that i don't need to let it run as spam/av server :) |
| 19:30.37 | Miesco | karsten: Been looking all day for the package |
| 19:30.39 | x_link | I will be back soon again. I will try to plug in my hdd now |
| 19:30.43 | karsten | x_link: What IRC client are you using? |
| 19:31.18 | Charminthemoose | hey karsten,my Locales don't like me selecting the 'EN' locale and i keep on getting error messages. |
| 19:31.19 | karsten | Miesco: Well, I don't either. Search ye fabulous Web. |
| 19:31.25 | Charminthemoose | how can i installify it? |
| 19:31.29 | karsten | Charminthemoose: Well, don't do that then ;-) |
| 19:31.34 | madclicker | d0uglas, why do i get "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"." when i use Xorg? |
| 19:31.35 | karsten | Charminthemoose: dpkg-reconfigure locales |
| 19:31.37 | x_link | karsten: irssi |
| 19:31.46 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: funny, aptitude wants to install nvidia-glx-dev |
| 19:31.48 | x_link | karsten: We can talk when I get back. Give me 5 minutes |
| 19:31.53 | karsten | x_link: got any pink numbers lower right of your screen? |
| 19:32.01 | *** join/#debian eldowan (n=grant@65.203.97.98) |
| 19:32.26 | d0uglas | madclicker: because not everyone has caught up to modifying their error messages to show xorg instead of xfree |
| 19:33.01 | madclicker | d0uglas, can you help a brother? whats the trick? |
| 19:33.05 | *** join/#debian Miesco_ (n=shawn@bas2-toronto12-1168024220.dsl.bell.ca) |
| 19:33.09 | *** join/#debian mhall (n=mhall@c-67-166-156-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:33.21 | d0uglas | madclicker: but i failed it |
| 19:33.40 | Miesco_ | karsten: Been searching for hours, I know its one of thoughs packages that start with xfonts |
| 19:33.47 | *** join/#debian squid0 (n=yair@dsl-145-23-117.telkomadsl.co.za) |
| 19:33.56 | d0uglas | what are you trying to do anyway, play with google earth? |
| 19:34.05 | karsten | Miesco_: Sorry, I'm tapped out. |
| 19:34.05 | madclicker | me? |
| 19:34.09 | d0uglas | yeah |
| 19:34.16 | madclicker | play UT :0 |
| 19:34.17 | *** part/#debian xsquared (n=xsquared@dsl-58-6-121-220.qld.westnet.com.au) |
| 19:34.44 | madclicker | the days at work get boring sometimes |
| 19:35.14 | d0uglas | heh maybe you need to consider the possibility that this is god's way of telling you to lay off the shooters |
| 19:35.31 | *** join/#debian jerb (n=jerb@dsl081-161-160.sea1.dsl.speakeasy.net) |
| 19:36.00 | *** join/#debian DaveyB (n=daveyb@cpc1-linc3-0-0-cust360.nott.cable.ntl.com) |
| 19:36.56 | d0uglas | madclicker: i've spent many hours with this damn thing ... just so i could plot access points onto google earth using kismet on my warwalks home from work |
| 19:37.08 | d0uglas | well, and use GE too |
| 19:37.48 | madclicker | its a biatch |
| 19:37.53 | d0uglas | madclicker: which model radeon do you have again? |
| 19:38.02 | madclicker | 9700 AIW |
| 19:38.03 | wamty | anybody here ever work with lucene or sphinx search? Just wondering what they are like to install/configure/use etc |
| 19:38.08 | *** join/#debian dot_prime (n=tox@ool-182dfa0f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 19:38.09 | *** join/#debian mhall_ (n=mhall@c-67-166-156-193.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 19:38.25 | *** join/#debian Charminthemoose (n=andrew@83.70.163.0) |
| 19:38.41 | eldowan | I'm trying to set up a local mirror of stable/testing i386 using the anonftpsync script from debian.org. I am using the ARCH_EXCLUDE method to exclude all other architectures, and using the EXCLUDE method to exclude unstable. However, looking through the logs form running the script, packages from all the other architectures are beind downloaded. I'm not sure what else to do except use the EXCLUDE method to exlcude each architecture individually twice. |
| 19:38.48 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I think think the nvidia-glx-dev was strictly for mplayer to use opengl as an output option (I never use it so not a big deal). |
| 19:38.50 | wamty | Anyone? |
| 19:39.07 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 19:39.12 | eldowan | Here is the anonftpsync script that I'm using: http://pastebin.ca/199825 . Lines 124 - 139 are supposed to take the ARCH_EXCLUDE and change it to the EXCLUDE method, so I'm kind of lost as of what to do next. |
| 19:40.06 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@200.32.71.142) |
| 19:40.47 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 19:41.17 | *** join/#debian x_link (i=sedde@c83-249-194-173.bredband.comhem.se) |
| 19:41.26 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@200.32.71.142) |
| 19:41.39 | drzed | really no idea how to fix this? |
| 19:42.37 | x_link | Hi |
| 19:42.43 | x_link | U just plugged in my second hdd |
| 19:42.47 | x_link | How am I supposed to fin dit ? |
| 19:42.53 | x_link | How am I supposed to find it ? |
| 19:42.59 | karsten | x_link: cat /proc/partitions |
| 19:43.03 | x_link | Okey |
| 19:43.03 | karsten | x_link: ... or 'dmesg' |
| 19:43.14 | wamty | anybody here ever work with lucene or sphinx search? Just wondering what they are like to install/configure/use etc |
| 19:43.28 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: -dew packages are only for compiling against libraries |
| 19:43.29 | *** join/#debian Gumby (n=terry@unaffiliated/gumby) |
| 19:43.37 | x_link | karsten: I didn't understand anything of that list |
| 19:43.43 | SerajewelKS | smacnay: if you compiled mplayer yourself then maybe you might need it |
| 19:43.59 | karsten | !tell x_link about paster |
| 19:44.06 | karsten | x_link: paste that + 'mount' output. |
| 19:44.09 | drzed | where can i find this script: http://phpfi.com/162971? |
| 19:44.15 | *** join/#debian valdyn (n=valdyn@2001:a60:f01b:0:0:0:0:1) |
| 19:44.17 | *** join/#debian freebsd_fan (n=unsure@sw69x3.foto.gu.se) |
| 19:44.50 | x_link | I will use pastebin to paste it on |
| 19:44.54 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 19:45.10 | x_link | cat /proc/partitions. It looks that I have 2 |
| 19:45.15 | karsten | drzed: /var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
| 19:46.10 | x_link | http://pastebin.ca/199841 |
| 19:46.13 | x_link | There you go karsten |
| 19:47.29 | karsten | x_link: well, you've got an hda and an hdb. And you failed to post 'mount' output as requested. I'd guess your new drive is hdb, but I can't say for sure. |
| 19:47.48 | karsten | x_link: You were going to send an image? |
| 19:47.56 | x_link | Yes |
| 19:48.03 | karsten | x_link: /msg me |
| 19:48.03 | x_link | I will send it really soon. |
| 19:48.08 | karsten | OK |
| 19:48.16 | x_link | karsten: So I don't have 2 hdds now ? |
| 19:48.29 | karsten | x_link: You have 2 HDs. I don't know how many you had previously. |
| 19:48.41 | x_link | I just had 1 plugged in before |
| 19:48.48 | *** join/#debian Award (n=jpdp@core-philly-4-229.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 19:48.50 | *** join/#debian danIG (n=danIG@pD9E0753D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:49.01 | *** join/#debian kill4killin (n=T@168.28.136.12) |
| 19:49.01 | x_link | I thought that I would see my second hdd in /home or something |
| 19:49.10 | karsten | x_link: check /msg |
| 19:49.19 | x_link | ok |
| 19:49.22 | karsten | x_link: drives aren't visible until they're mounted. |
| 19:49.29 | *** join/#debian EdLin (n=chacha@72.11.218.155) |
| 19:49.46 | karsten | x_link: partition it, create filesystems, specify mountpoints in /etc/fstab, and mount. |
| 19:50.00 | d0uglas | madclicker: were you not able to get misc/fglrx fired up with modconf? |
| 19:50.01 | *** join/#debian cougar` (n=Rick@c-68-45-214-101.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) |
| 19:50.21 | x_link | karsten: wow. I don't know how to do all that. |
| 19:50.34 | karsten | x_link: Learn ;-) |
| 19:50.59 | x_link | hehe yeah. |
| 19:52.17 | madclicker | d0uglas, i'll try it now |
| 19:52.19 | *** join/#debian streuner (i=foobar@p54A5FFC1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:52.35 | d0uglas | you might want to stop x first |
| 19:52.37 | madclicker | brb |
| 19:52.43 | madclicker | eheh |
| 19:52.48 | madclicker | k |
| 19:53.03 | *** join/#debian Con-fuze-ed (n=Con-fuze@rrcs-24-172-188-242.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 19:54.09 | *** join/#debian Charminthemoose (n=andrew@83.70.163.0) |
| 19:54.43 | Charminthemoose | would it be a stupid idea to attempt to install a .deb package,after attempting to compile from source but failing? |
| 19:55.14 | asg | Charminthemoose: only if you installed the compiled source in /usr and not /usr/local |
| 19:55.38 | *** join/#debian tolecnal (n=tolecnal@ti121210a081-6919.bb.online.no) |
| 19:55.42 | Charminthemoose | oh right. |
| 19:56.01 | *** join/#debian l3m (n=l3m@84-72-92-144.dclient.hispeed.ch) |
| 19:56.17 | t1kka | anyone know to setup vsftpd, to enable local user writing |
| 19:57.11 | Con-fuze-ed | Hello all... I have a question and would like some help to get myself headed in the right direction. I need to create a small bootable debian install that will only be used to overwrite the harddrive using partimage. Essentially user will have a grub menu and choose either to boot windows or restore system from DVD. I am concerned that partimage will not be able to overwrite the debian install while it is currently the syst |
| 19:57.31 | *** join/#debian UstasW (n=ustas@AReims-152-1-104-133.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 19:57.34 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 19:57.43 | asg | t1kka: /usr/share/doc/vsftpd/* has a number of examples that should help |
| 19:58.15 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@84.245.165.245) |
| 19:58.15 | *** join/#debian RaphaelBossek_ (n=bossekr@dslb-084-056-022-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:58.21 | *** part/#debian RaphaelBossek_ (n=bossekr@dslb-084-056-022-003.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 19:58.24 | madclicker | d0uglas, same shiat, "Xlib: extension "XFree86-DRI" missing on display ":0.0"" |
| 19:58.58 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ebw128.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 19:59.34 | d0uglas | madclicker: did you get fglrx-driver from apt or the drivers from ati.com |
| 19:59.53 | kml_ | how can i find out what cpu revision i have on my system? |
| 19:59.59 | Bhavesh | cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 20:00.08 | karsten | x_link: filesystems and storage basics: http://tldp.org/LDP/sag/html/disk-usage.html |
| 20:00.29 | *** join/#debian atilla (n=ati@88.242.39.87) |
| 20:01.05 | madclicker | d0uglas, i tried from apt and ati both fail, can you tell me where should i place the "libGL.so.1.2" libraries? which directories? |
| 20:01.10 | psychonate | Yeah, so I really enjoy this error message: http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/psychonate/K3Berror.jpg |
| 20:01.19 | psychonate | mixed, perhaps? |
| 20:01.43 | x_link | karsten: Thanks! |
| 20:02.11 | *** join/#debian raf256 (n=raf256@unaffiliated/raf256) |
| 20:02.25 | *** join/#debian Heston (n=heston@unaffiliated/heston) |
| 20:02.40 | *** join/#debian chains (n=chains@adsl-218-140-183.jax.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:02.51 | psychonate | also, 4.2 GB should fit on a 4.4 GB disc--one would think |
| 20:03.14 | psychonate | so I'm not really sure what the problem is, but apparently K3B thinks it a "Success." |
| 20:03.17 | *** join/#debian jacek (n=jacek@host-194-54-19-178.telsat.wroc.pl) |
| 20:03.27 | *** join/#debian minimax2 (i=gm@34.red-82-159-82.user.auna.net) |
| 20:03.35 | eeyore- | psychonate: filesystem overhead, different counting system? (GB or 10000000000 bytes?) |
| 20:03.38 | psychonate | in large, green, bold letters even |
| 20:03.50 | *** join/#debian unreal (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 20:04.01 | d0uglas | madclicker: i'm thinking /lib/modules/[kernel version/'uname -r]/misc/ |
| 20:04.21 | d0uglas | err /lib/modules/'uname -r'/misc |
| 20:04.27 | psychonate | eeyore-, overhead possibly, but counting system doubtful (the disc is labeled as 4.7, but should be 4.4 with the 1024 multiple) |
| 20:04.58 | *** join/#debian mrcoyote (n=mrcoyote@AAnnecy-256-1-154-116.w90-10.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:05.02 | psychonate | eeyore-, but if it is the former, I did not realize 200mb of overhead was necessary |
| 20:06.19 | d0uglas | madclicker: do you have gcc-4.0? |
| 20:07.23 | eeyore- | psychonate: well, k3b thinks the media can't handle all of the file :-) maybe k3b is wrong and should be told what the media is ... but generally it's right, since that info (capacity) is read from the media itself |
| 20:07.50 | aardvarq | ftp://ftp.debian.org/ is down :-( |
| 20:08.02 | *** join/#debian SubStack (n=queso@61-194.trans.uaf.edu) |
| 20:08.07 | psychonate | eeyore-, true, and it seems like it would attempt to overburn anyway. So if the space *is* there it would use it |
| 20:08.21 | psychonate | eeyore-, even so, the error message could be better ;) |
| 20:08.44 | eeyore- | psychonate: no doubt about that. i'm guessing the "A-OK" part is because of the last action (closing RMA) |
| 20:09.45 | psychonate | perhaps |
| 20:10.07 | psychonate | I guess I'll just mess with some tools and try to get rid of some of the extras and burn the main title |
| 20:10.10 | *** join/#debian withayanda (n=withayan@c-68-49-245-183.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) |
| 20:10.13 | d0uglas | madclicker: brb.. |
| 20:10.37 | *** join/#debian krifur (n=krifur@AToulouse-152-1-77-207.w83-200.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 20:10.49 | *** part/#debian atilla (n=ati@88.242.39.87) |
| 20:11.03 | n3kl | cd - |
| 20:11.11 | n3kl | oops |
| 20:11.43 | *** join/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@npl-dhcp3.npl.uiuc.edu) |
| 20:12.12 | *** join/#debian bibleboy (n=chad@ip72-198-27-10.ok.ok.cox.net) |
| 20:12.31 | *** join/#debian jacek (n=jacek@host-194-54-19-178.telsat.wroc.pl) |
| 20:12.36 | *** part/#debian Con-fuze-ed (n=Con-fuze@rrcs-24-172-188-242.central.biz.rr.com) |
| 20:13.21 | *** join/#debian praseodym (n=mark@cp293763-a.roose1.nb.home.nl) |
| 20:13.34 | *** part/#debian timthelion (n=timothy@pool-71-112-110-242.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:13.48 | praseodym | I've been using tethereal for some time now, and after an update it doesn't work any more. any ideas how come? |
| 20:13.54 | Zesty | Why are there so many god damn software licenses to chose from o_O |
| 20:13.56 | *** part/#debian minimax2 (i=gm@34.red-82-159-82.user.auna.net) |
| 20:14.26 | withayanda | this is a bit off-topic, but i'm having difficulty understanding the diff between smart & managed switches. i've only dealt with managed. |
| 20:14.30 | asg | Zesty: why choose? create your own like everyone else |
| 20:14.42 | cydork | asg, heh :) |
| 20:15.07 | asg | Zesty: the 'Zesty Onafrob Pubic license' is something I'd use in a heartbeat |
| 20:15.11 | *** join/#debian faw (n=felipe@unaffiliated/faw) |
| 20:15.22 | *** part/#debian Garbaek (n=virtus@87.72.33.85) |
| 20:15.42 | eeyore- | withayanda: who knows :-) maybe "smart switch" is marketingspeak for "we wish it could be a managed switch but we were too cheap and you shouldn't notice it anyway, hey, it's smart. buy one. get in line." |
| 20:15.44 | Zesty | :P |
| 20:15.51 | *** join/#debian shadfc (n=shad@111-40.126-70.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 20:16.17 | shadfc | how can i get dpkg --list to not truncate any fields? |
| 20:16.25 | asg | shadfc: dpkg -la |
| 20:16.32 | *** join/#debian qailer (n=qailer@c80-217-91-17.cm-upc.chello.se) |
| 20:16.36 | asg | shadfc: if you use sarge or earlier, use COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l |
| 20:16.48 | cydork | shadfc, or you can use dpkg-query |
| 20:17.34 | shadfc | wonderful, thanks guys |
| 20:17.36 | *** join/#debian vithos (n=vithos@ip70-178-211-66.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 20:18.03 | vithos | do ethernet bridges persist or do i need to put the brctl addif command in an init script? |
| 20:18.10 | qailer | ,hey guys installing acroread but get this: shared libraries: libXext.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or, what do I miss?(I've got the libxext stuff) |
| 20:18.41 | asg | vithos: the latter |
| 20:18.52 | vithos | asg: thanks |
| 20:19.04 | smacnay | SerajewelKS: I compiled mplayer myself but don't need -dev for general mplayer use |
| 20:19.18 | *** join/#debian P4W3R (n=x@84.Red-88-1-213.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 20:19.20 | P4W3R | hi |
| 20:19.40 | P4W3R | what about a G4 debian distro? |
| 20:19.41 | karsten | P4W3R: ppc |
| 20:19.46 | karsten | !ppc |
| 20:19.46 | dpkg | hmm... ppc is is short for powerpc, and powerpc is the superior architecture. You worship it, and wish you were running on it. Check out http://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc, or visit #debianppc |
| 20:20.02 | P4W3R | G4 |
| 20:20.15 | P4W3R | altivec .... |
| 20:20.20 | karsten | P4W3R: G4 == ppc |
| 20:20.26 | P4W3R | ppc =G3 |
| 20:20.28 | P4W3R | ppc = G3 |
| 20:20.36 | P4W3R | G4 has more instructions |
| 20:20.42 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:20.43 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:21.01 | tarzeau | does www.thehun.net also not open for you? |
| 20:21.16 | karsten | P4W3R: It's still PPC. |
| 20:21.32 | P4W3R | yes and everything works |
| 20:21.38 | P4W3R | but could work faster |
| 20:21.44 | P4W3R | and apt build ... |
| 20:21.52 | karsten | !tell P4W3R about enter |
| 20:22.25 | karsten | P4W3R: http://www.mathematik.uni-marburg.de/~schmidtm/apple/powerbook.en.php |
| 20:22.35 | P4W3R | i go to debian-ppc |
| 20:22.47 | stew | #debianppc? |
| 20:23.08 | P4W3R | yes |
| 20:23.28 | *** join/#debian lepton (n=john@74.136.202.218) |
| 20:23.29 | P4W3R | the question is that G4 has altivec |
| 20:24.40 | eeyore- | what kind of a softawre is this? |
| 20:25.00 | P4W3R | altivec are some type of cpu insntructions |
| 20:25.06 | ma3x | what's the point of having debian on powerpc? |
| 20:25.10 | P4W3R | that G3 does not have |
| 20:25.11 | eeyore- | "Disk Defragmenter" (included with the new IBM stinkpads) "Only 99% of your files are performing optimally" (5 files out of, what, 45000 files fragmented) |
| 20:25.12 | ma3x | does it run faster or what? |
| 20:25.21 | P4W3R | it should |
| 20:25.40 | ma3x | faster than normal pc? |
| 20:25.42 | P4W3R | debian powerpc does not take use of G4 instructions |
| 20:25.45 | eeyore- | who were the idiots that wrote such awe-inspiring piece of software that claims "ONLY 99% OPTIMAL" :-p |
| 20:25.48 | P4W3R | ppc |
| 20:25.50 | P4W3R | is |
| 20:25.53 | P4W3R | power pc |
| 20:25.55 | Pr0nStrGeek | 1% of 45,000 is 450... |
| 20:25.57 | P4W3R | no pocket pc |
| 20:25.58 | Tallu | eeyore-: yeah, i just wiped windows from mine right away, didnt have to bother about that stupid software either :) |
| 20:26.09 | asg | eeyore-: bah, ours go to 11 |
| 20:26.37 | eeyore- | wait, Total files: 43474, Total fragmented files: 5, Total excess fragments: 214 |
| 20:26.40 | Bhavesh | oh yeah new lenovo machines come with diskkeeper software for defragmenting |
| 20:26.43 | *** join/#debian iLLf8d (n=neener@user-0can16l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 20:26.52 | Pr0nStrGeek | 5 is much less than 1% =) |
| 20:26.53 | P4W3R | you can compile with some G4 options |
| 20:26.56 | *** part/#debian kempo (n=kempo@p5481C795.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 20:26.59 | P4W3R | and it goes faster |
| 20:27.00 | Pr0nStrGeek | that's more like 0.01% fragmented... |
| 20:27.01 | Bhavesh | Pr0nStrGeek: rounding errors :) |
| 20:27.10 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: it comes with the "lite" version that asks you to buy every time you launch it :-p |
| 20:27.11 | asg | fragmentation is not an issue if a sufficiently non-stupid filesystem is used |
| 20:27.13 | Bhavesh | 0.01 rounded up to 1% :) |
| 20:27.17 | *** join/#debian hjubal (n=hjubal@unaffiliated/hjubal) |
| 20:27.18 | P4W3R | you can install mplayer-g4 |
| 20:27.22 | P4W3R | it is faster |
| 20:27.23 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: the first thing i do is uninstall that junk :) |
| 20:27.27 | stew | !tell P4W3R about enter |
| 20:27.31 | P4W3R | sory |
| 20:27.34 | P4W3R | sorry |
| 20:27.50 | stew | P4W3R: do you have an actual question? are you asking how to compile for g4? |
| 20:28.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 711] by debhelper |
| 20:28.01 | *** join/#debian SlaCKjr (n=junior@c9342816.virtua.com.br) |
| 20:28.01 | *** part/#debian lindenle (n=lindenle@npl-dhcp3.npl.uiuc.edu) |
| 20:28.10 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: i wonder how many % you ahve to have before diskkeeper proclaims your HD functioning optimally :-) |
| 20:28.20 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: maybe 110% or something |
| 20:28.22 | P4W3R | no |
| 20:28.42 | d0uglas | any difference between xinerama and twinview? |
| 20:28.57 | P4W3R | i was wondering the possibility of selecting applications that would go faster when compiled with G4 options |
| 20:28.57 | eeyore- | d0uglas: twinview has xinerama-like functionalities internally |
| 20:29.12 | P4W3R | and making aptable |
| 20:29.22 | d0uglas | eeyore-: ... but you have to have nvidia for twinview? |
| 20:29.25 | *** join/#debian cooner750 (n=cooner75@cpe-71-72-210-143.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 20:29.25 | eeyore- | d0uglas: yes |
| 20:29.42 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: speaking of.. i tested the two popular windows defragmenter and i think diskkeeper would keep telling me i always have to defragment my disk |
| 20:29.46 | P4W3R | mplayer is optimized for G4 |
| 20:29.49 | eeyore- | d0uglas: that's the other difference. xinerama is portable. twinview is proprietary. |
| 20:29.59 | cooner750 | Can anyone here help me get my ZyXEL ZyAir G302v2 wireless card working? It uses the Texas Instruments ACX111 chipset |
| 20:30.00 | P4W3R | mplayer-g4... |
| 20:30.01 | stew | P4W3R: you are asking how you could recompile a bunch of packages? |
| 20:30.03 | Bhavesh | and i was testing on a workstation that was sitting IDLE! |
| 20:30.05 | d0uglas | i see.. thanks |
| 20:30.09 | P4W3R | no |
| 20:30.30 | stew | P4W3R: you are wondering if you recomiled things would they go faster? |
| 20:30.37 | P4W3R | i am saying about making a repository of such packages |
| 20:30.59 | P4W3R | that would go faster when compiled with G4 flags |
| 20:31.10 | stew | P4W3R: do you have a question about that? |
| 20:31.12 | *** join/#debian nn-main (n=nn@pool-70-16-156-229.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 20:31.18 | eeyore- | i still think the Macintosh way was much much cooler than xinerama |
| 20:31.21 | *** join/#debian tao37 (n=tao37@87-196-65-86.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:31.28 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: i think it's never satisfied with it's own performance :) |
| 20:31.35 | P4W3R | this channel is only for questions? |
| 20:31.36 | eeyore- | in the old MacOS, you can span desktop across different screens, different bit depths and all |
| 20:32.01 | stew | P4W3R: its a support channel |
| 20:32.02 | P4W3R | i have a wish |
| 20:32.05 | P4W3R | oc |
| 20:32.06 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: i think that's a quote for "EXUBERANCE: You're a 10. We need you at a 7." :-) |
| 20:32.06 | P4W3R | oh |
| 20:32.08 | P4W3R | XD |
| 20:32.16 | stew | P4W3R: please stop hitting enter so much |
| 20:32.38 | Bhavesh | hehehe |
| 20:32.50 | eeyore- | P4W3R: questions, jokes, flamewar, murder investigation, plain bullshit |
| 20:33.03 | P4W3R | what is the wish channel? |
| 20:33.13 | P4W3R | well i have a question |
| 20:33.18 | Bhavesh | post fix question. does anyone know if 'smtpd_helo_restriction' can understand a CIDR notation for helo_check file? |
| 20:33.20 | *** join/#debian Ninereeds (n=nineblue@T4064.t.pppool.de) |
| 20:33.32 | karsten | !tell P4W3R about enter |
| 20:33.32 | asg | P4W3R: the wish channel would likely be #tcl |
| 20:33.38 | karsten | P4W3R: Again. Stop. Hitting. Enter. |
| 20:33.44 | stew | asg: hah |
| 20:33.55 | asg | stew: :) |
| 20:34.17 | karsten | !shoot asg |
| 20:34.18 | Bhavesh | i.e. xx.xx.xx.xx/20 to block email from range of IP |
| 20:34.27 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 20:34.38 | stew | Bhavesh: ask #postfix |
| 20:34.38 | asg | karsten: danke, I haven't been blown in-channel in some time |
| 20:34.41 | d0uglas | hey madclicker.. any luck? |
| 20:34.49 | karsten | asg: I'll blow you any time. |
| 20:34.53 | Bhavesh | stew: i asked something else and waited for an hour.. channel hardly scrolled |
| 20:35.04 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: I don't think so |
| 20:35.07 | asg | karsten: you'll have to fight mrs. asg for the movie rights though |
| 20:35.14 | karsten | asg: ;-) |
| 20:35.18 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: I didn't see your post there.. been away |
| 20:35.30 | madclicker | it fuckin works |
| 20:35.30 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: sorry.. i asked something yesterday not today :) |
| 20:35.33 | madclicker | eheheehehe |
| 20:35.34 | pickcoder | oh |
| 20:35.41 | d0uglas | hey man congrats |
| 20:35.45 | Bhavesh | congrats |
| 20:35.46 | madclicker | d0uglas, it works now |
| 20:35.54 | d0uglas | so that's why you've been away for this long |
| 20:35.55 | *** join/#debian SiLV3R (n=tobstar@p5084116E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 20:36.05 | d0uglas | what did it, the modconf move? |
| 20:36.07 | madclicker | i removed all the mesa cram and reinstalled from scratch |
| 20:36.21 | d0uglas | hmm maybe i should try that |
| 20:36.21 | Bhavesh | too much spam coming through and i am literally trying to make a list of usual IP that we are getting spam from but RBL are not blocking it |
| 20:36.25 | *** join/#debian benjamindees (n=_@70.169.212.130) |
| 20:36.27 | madclicker | d0uglas, nope, the modconf had nothing to do with it |
| 20:36.30 | *** join/#debian kbezon (n=aposada@200.85.0.134) |
| 20:36.37 | P4W3R | ok, question: I compile two applications, and one is optimized for G4, i make a repository, how can i make apt to download the optimized version if both have the same version? |
| 20:36.41 | d0uglas | i was this close to reinstalling debian to get a clean slate |
| 20:36.46 | stew | Bhavesh: you could just block those ips with iptables |
| 20:36.48 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: according to "man 5 access", it does support CIDR |
| 20:36.49 | *** join/#debian metaperl (n=tbrannon@static-72-91-30-26.tampfl.dsl-w.verizon.net) |
| 20:36.58 | dondelelcaro | P4W3R: you can't, unless they are in different repositories. |
| 20:37.15 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: oh thank you!.. now i just have to watch! |
| 20:37.16 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: see "HOST NAME/ADDRESS PATTERN" section in "man 5 access" |
| 20:37.26 | madclicker | d0uglas, no need, just clean all te mesa extentions and such, than reinstall and after that apt the fglrx drivers |
| 20:37.33 | *** part/#debian kbezon (n=aposada@200.85.0.134) |
| 20:37.33 | eeyore- | or, "man 5 cidr_table" |
| 20:37.46 | *** join/#debian unreal_ (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 20:37.47 | dondelelcaro | P4W3R: what you need to do is make a package with a different name, like foo-g4, and have a foo package which depends upon it or the normal foo-ppc package. |
| 20:37.47 | Bhavesh | stew: that's very true, but this sits behind a router.. router port forwards to incoming edge server |
| 20:37.50 | d0uglas | madclicker, what kind of frame rate do you get with glxgears? |
| 20:37.53 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: thanks.. let me take a look |
| 20:37.58 | P4W3R | but imagine you have the official repository and the repository with the selected list of applications, you need both in sources.list |
| 20:38.19 | dondelelcaro | P4W3R: then the version number of the optimized package has to be greater. |
| 20:38.19 | d0uglas | madclicker: you may need to add the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag to get it to report the fps... |
| 20:38.22 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: i think you have to put the cidr:/path explicitly, my guess. i never had to ban entire subnets :-) |
| 20:38.25 | *** join/#debian Inazad (n=inazad@c207.134.225-161.clta.globetrotter.net) |
| 20:38.36 | P4W3R | dondelelcaro: like mplayer-g4? |
| 20:38.44 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: i am on this kick on blocking any crap that comes through :) |
| 20:38.46 | dondelelcaro | P4W3R: yes, that's one example |
| 20:38.50 | d0uglas | the glxgears people have a sense of humor apparently |
| 20:39.06 | dondelelcaro | P4W3R: however, you'll find that only a few things actually benifit from those optimizations... |
| 20:39.22 | P4W3R | dondelelcaro: what about making a selection of such critical applications? |
| 20:39.32 | cydork | d0uglas, or you can use -printfps too :P |
| 20:40.01 | pickcoder | eeyore-: HELO is relating to hostnames, so CIDR probably won't work |
| 20:40.12 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 20:40.15 | pickcoder | eeyore-: the access file format does support CIDR where IP ranges are allowed |
| 20:40.16 | madclicker | d0uglas, no it still doesnt work |
| 20:40.18 | stew | Bhavesh: that shoudn't matter |
| 20:40.33 | *** join/#debian mrew (n=mrew@warner.force9.co.uk) |
| 20:40.45 | *** join/#debian nivanson (n=nivanson@h38n2c1o279.bredband.skanova.com) |
| 20:40.45 | Bhavesh | stew: i am just trying to use what's already in place to block spam and honestly iam not good with IP tables |
| 20:40.46 | *** join/#debian Andy_CARP (n=favio@host117248040.arnet.net.ar) |
| 20:40.54 | nivanson | Hi. Anybody using Eclipse on debian? If I try to install it it depends on gcj... I have sun-java5-jdk/jre installed... Anybody know how? |
| 20:40.57 | dondelelcaro | P4W3R: eh? |
| 20:41.01 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: install amavis and spamassassin |
| 20:41.09 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: it is blocking about 95% of our spam |
| 20:41.26 | d0uglas | madclicker: does glxinfo or fglrx info report a lot of lines that end in SLOW or NONE? |
| 20:41.39 | P4W3R | dondelelcaro: because is one of the problems of debian |
| 20:41.55 | stew | Bhavesh: postgrey blocks LOTS of spam, if you can put up with the delay you get on the first time your recieve email from a given recipient |
| 20:42.01 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: i have Mailscanner/spamassasin/Pyzor/Razor/clamav with spamhaus.org checking spam at smtp time |
| 20:42.22 | Bhavesh | stew: that's next thing I have to look into. |
| 20:42.25 | *** join/#debian g0dspeed (n=sjerf@cp113941-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) |
| 20:42.26 | madclicker | d0uglas, OpenGL vendor string: Brian Paul OpenGL renderer string: Mesa X11 OpenGL version string: 1.5 Mesa 6.5.1 |
| 20:42.55 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: http://jimsun.linxnet.com/misc/postfix-anti-UCE.txt |
| 20:42.58 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: when i setup the server in nov 2005, it was working reptty well, blocked about 90%+ spam, but things hav echanged.. spam is coming from new ip and spamhaus.org etc have not kept it up |
| 20:43.10 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: yeah but instead of blocking on HELO, why don't you block on connect? |
| 20:43.13 | pickcoder | I have about 10 RBLs |
| 20:43.18 | madclicker | d0uglas, i got the glxgears and the fgl_glxgears working so i tought i got 3D |
| 20:43.19 | eeyore- | Bhavesh: isn't that the intent? |
| 20:43.21 | squid0 | hi! i'm having some trouble with an HP Omnibook xe4500 under Ubuntu Dapper 6.06... X says, 'no screens found'. Can you help me please? I've posted my xorg.conf and Xorg.0.log at http://pastebin.ca/199749 . I've tried on #ubuntu, with no joy :( |
| 20:43.40 | d0uglas | madclicker, you mean you didn't test out ut? |
| 20:43.51 | Bhavesh | eeyore-: very much so.. i think i am still learning the sequence of things.. and trying to use postfix to reject connections from certain ip |
| 20:44.29 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: that's what i have used to setup my original server :) i been looking for that for a while, i thought i had it book marked |
| 20:44.33 | madclicker | d0uglas, nope, glxgears would not work, but when i just logged in i had the gears working |
| 20:44.47 | *** join/#debian liran (n=Tals@212.199.177.204.static.012.net.il) |
| 20:45.05 | d0uglas | madclicker: so we're back to the drawing board? |
| 20:45.23 | *** join/#debian pike_ (n=helpdesk@adsl-068-222-206-252.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:45.44 | madclicker | d0uglas, yeap |
| 20:45.48 | *** join/#debian eipihipl (n=theo@c-1a2ae655.31-4-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 20:45.51 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: you can use the access map to block specific domains |
| 20:46.06 | liran | cydork: you up man? |
| 20:46.10 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: I blocked tpnet.pl b/c of all of the spam |
| 20:46.25 | cydork | liran, yep very much :P |
| 20:46.39 | liran | cydork: cool :P |
| 20:46.42 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: you too!?!?! god i been getting tons of emails from that domain! |
| 20:46.48 | Bhavesh | that's what i want to do |
| 20:46.55 | pickcoder | put it in /etc/postfix/access |
| 20:46.56 | cydork | liran, just some what drunk :P |
| 20:47.05 | liran | cydork: lol |
| 20:47.22 | pickcoder | check_sender_access hash:/etc/postfix/access |
| 20:47.28 | liran | cydork: here's an advise, never install/remove packages when your drunk |
| 20:47.38 | *** join/#debian Varange (n=hwichman@canelot.energyts.com) |
| 20:47.43 | *** join/#debian Mazingaro (n=tetsuja@host9-35-dynamic.59-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:47.43 | pickcoder | all of it should be under smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 20:47.45 | *** join/#debian JEDIIID (n=b@204.90.50.252) |
| 20:47.46 | Varange | hi all |
| 20:47.51 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: perfect!!! thank you for your help |
| 20:48.00 | liran | pickcoder: hey, how's it going? |
| 20:48.01 | cydork | liran, haha i dont even login as root :P |
| 20:48.04 | pickcoder | don't forget to run postmap on it |
| 20:48.09 | liran | cydork: damn you |
| 20:48.11 | pickcoder | hey liran. good |
| 20:48.12 | Varange | where should I put the Java SDK files on my debian box? |
| 20:48.13 | pickcoder | you? |
| 20:48.18 | liran | cydork: couldnt you give me that advise before?! thats a damn good one :) |
| 20:48.19 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: does it matter where i put under smtpd_receipeitn_restrictions? i have some stuff already in there |
| 20:48.34 | liran | pickcoder: all good, i need to go over with you on that postfix admin interface to get some feedback from you |
| 20:48.36 | pickcoder | I have it after the rejection params |
| 20:48.45 | cydork | liran, better late than never :P |
| 20:48.46 | pickcoder | before the RBL |
| 20:48.53 | Bhavesh | got it |
| 20:49.03 | liran | cydork: true :) |
| 20:49.15 | stew | Varange: /msg dpkg java-package |
| 20:49.17 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: thank you very much |
| 20:49.31 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: no prob |
| 20:49.34 | *** part/#debian soultan (i=sultan@power.fox-host.net) |
| 20:49.36 | Varange | thx stew |
| 20:50.04 | pickcoder | liran: ok |
| 20:50.06 | *** part/#debian JEDIIID (n=b@204.90.50.252) |
| 20:50.11 | x_link | he... I wonder how long time it will take before I'm know the basics in Linux. |
| 20:50.15 | x_link | Will take 10 years for me. |
| 20:50.17 | *** join/#debian grynch (n=b@204.90.50.252) |
| 20:50.37 | pickcoder | "basics" grow in range as you learn more |
| 20:50.38 | Guerin | x_link: as long as you like |
| 20:50.40 | pickcoder | :P |
| 20:50.46 | Guerin | or as short |
| 20:50.52 | d0uglas | madclicker: sigh... did you change your xorg.conf driver "ati" line to driver "fglrx"? ... or from radeon to fglrx or whatever? |
| 20:51.18 | psychonate | eeyore-, you still around? |
| 20:51.40 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: the first domain to go in that is *.pl |
| 20:51.53 | *** join/#debian tao37 (n=tao37@87-196-65-86.net.novis.pt) |
| 20:52.01 | d0uglas | madclicker: brb... |
| 20:52.20 | *** join/#debian madclicker (n=madclick@216.123.169.252) |
| 20:52.31 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: I dunno if I'd block all polish domains, but that's up to you. tpnet seems to be the worse spamming domain |
| 20:53.09 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: i dont think it will cause any problem, i work for a small company and i KNOW we don't do business with anyone outside the USA ;) |
| 20:53.15 | Bhavesh | but i changed it to tpnet.pl just incase |
| 20:53.27 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: you should also block HELO's for your own server names and "localhost" |
| 20:53.39 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: no one should be saying they are you when they send mail |
| 20:54.06 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: i have it in 'helo_check' file |
| 20:54.11 | pickcoder | ok |
| 20:54.32 | Bhavesh | i have my external IP, localhost, and 127.0.0.1 in helo-check file |
| 20:55.16 | *** join/#debian raf256_ (n=raf256@bua41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 20:56.12 | *** join/#debian Disputin (n=disp@c-71-236-250-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) |
| 20:56.35 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: you need to put your domain names there |
| 20:56.46 | *** join/#debian p0w (n=p0w@vanderwindt.xs4all.nl) |
| 20:56.55 | d0uglas | any tricks to getting an mta to handle an email with an attachment sent to a bunch of people on the local network in such a way that it doesn't create a bunch of copies of the same file but instead somehow "link" all the emails to one copy of the attachment? or do mtas already do this? |
| 20:56.58 | Bhavesh | in helo-check? |
| 20:57.02 | pickcoder | yeah |
| 20:57.50 | stew | speak of the devil domain name |
| 20:58.12 | Bhavesh | just so i know i am not messing things up i have check_helo_access hash:/etc/postfix/helo_checks under smtpd_recipient_restrictions |
| 20:58.23 | Bhavesh | in main.cf |
| 20:58.39 | Bhavesh | just add domain.net Reject You are not ME in helo_checks? |
| 20:58.48 | pickcoder | right |
| 20:58.50 | pike_ | !dkpg |
| 20:58.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:58.57 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:59.10 | pike_ | !dpkg |
| 20:59.10 | dpkg | well, dpkg is a pretty princess |
| 20:59.17 | Bhavesh | i have helo-check after all rbl checking |
| 20:59.20 | pike_ | .. |
| 20:59.36 | pickcoder | do it before RBL so you don't waste time looking up a bogus mailer |
| 20:59.40 | pike_ | !blootbot > pike_ |
| 20:59.45 | *** part/#debian pike_ (n=helpdesk@adsl-068-222-206-252.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 20:59.48 | pickcoder | do network and other checks before the hash checks |
| 20:59.53 | pickcoder | saves file i/o time |
| 20:59.57 | craigevil | anyone know what version of PyQT liquidweather needs? |
| 21:00.05 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: that's how it's setup |
| 21:00.07 | pickcoder | ok |
| 21:00.51 | d0uglas | madclicker: gone? |
| 21:01.16 | num000 | stew are you still here? |
| 21:01.20 | Bhavesh | i have local recipient check , then smtpd_recipient_restriction with all rejects ( invalide_hostname, non_fqdn_hostname .. etc. then check sender access and then rbl checks and then helo checks |
| 21:01.34 | Bhavesh | phew i should just paste my main.cf instead of typing all this out |
| 21:02.55 | simonrvn | karsten: http://www.reclamationinfo.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?p=9151#9151 |
| 21:03.36 | eldowan | Here is the anonftpsync script that I'm using: http://pastebin.ca/199825 . Lines 124 - 139 are supposed to take the ARCH_EXCLUDE and change it to the EXCLUDE method, so I'm kind of lost as of what to do next. |
| 21:03.39 | *** join/#debian hampa_ (n=hampa@247.149.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 21:03.43 | eldowan | I'm trying to set up a local mirror of stable/testing i386 using the anonftpsync script from debian.org. I am using the ARCH_EXCLUDE method to exclude all other architectures, and using the EXCLUDE method to exclude unstable. However, looking through the logs form running the script, packages from all the other architectures are beind downloaded. I'm not sure what else to do except use the EXCLUDE method to exlcude each architecture individually twice. Here i |
| 21:03.43 | eldowan | t I'm using: http://pastebin.ca/199825 . Lines 124 - 139 are supposed to take the ARCH_EXCLUDE and change it to the EXCLUDE method, so I'm kind of lost as of what to do next. |
| 21:04.13 | *** join/#debian hampa (n=hampa@247.149.77.83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 21:04.31 | madclicker | d0uglas, i give up |
| 21:04.35 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 21:04.36 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: you shouldn't need local recpient checks separately |
| 21:04.46 | madclicker | d0uglas, it doesn't work |
| 21:05.01 | buu | Anyone have any place I could look into why cups' webinterface won't accept my username/password ? |
| 21:05.11 | *** join/#debian Adrian2 (n=Adrian@d2-232.dip.axsp.de) |
| 21:05.27 | madclicker | i have not a clue how people get it working under etch or sid |
| 21:05.58 | *** join/#debian vin` (n=nach@unaffiliated/takatumi) |
| 21:06.07 | d0uglas | madclicker: I found what was at first glance a good thread, http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=7117&highlight=&sid=b89ee2f9a44f5cecccf119574b5dcb3d, but the conversation seems to end with yay i got it working oh wait no 3d and ends with did you try the fglrx-driver drivers or ati's? |
| 21:06.12 | madclicker | d0uglas, under sid i get no errors, but my screen stays blank when x starts |
| 21:06.34 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: well i am using this as spam checker and relaying message to an exchange server |
| 21:07.04 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: so i export exchange users to this server and only allow email for people on the list |
| 21:07.17 | d0uglas | madclicker: did you switch back the configuration to get x going or are you still unable to use it? |
| 21:07.33 | madclicker | d0uglas, i've been reading alot on google but they are either 2005 posts or i do all by the book and it doesnt work, altough the module seems to load dri doesnt kick in |
| 21:08.51 | madclicker | d0uglas, i got x going but with 2d only |
| 21:08.51 | pickcoder | Bhavesh: can you setup NIS? It's much simpler to let nsswitch handle the users |
| 21:08.51 | pickcoder | or even LDAP |
| 21:09.01 | d0uglas | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:09.13 | d0uglas | with our particular radeons |
| 21:09.52 | d0uglas | it certainly doesn't satisfy a cost benefit analysis to try to accomplish this |
| 21:09.59 | madclicker | d0uglas, could be, but then again mine is a original ATI 9700 |
| 21:10.24 | d0uglas | well breeze through that page i posted |
| 21:10.43 | d0uglas | i did a lot of googling myself and that was the best i found |
| 21:10.45 | madclicker | d0uglas, i try it once in a while when not to busy, just for fun, see how 3d behaves |
| 21:10.50 | squid0 | i've got a 9100? or something like that |
| 21:10.57 | squid0 | also ati radeon |
| 21:11.06 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: we are running exchange 5.5 windows nt 4.0 domain |
| 21:11.15 | *** part/#debian mk3y (n=mkey@pD9E37B5A.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 21:11.18 | squid0 | neither fglrx nor ati work as drivers |
| 21:11.41 | *** join/#debian _g0dspeed (n=sjerf@dsl-083-247-102-234.solcon.nl) |
| 21:11.54 | d0uglas | !radeon |
| 21:11.54 | dpkg | radeon is, like, the name of some videocards by ATI. There are different types: R100 chipset (e.g radeon VE,SDR,DDR,LE,7000,7200), R200 (e.g. radeon 8500,8500LE,8800), R250 (e.g. radeon 9000) and R300 (e.g. radeon 9700,9700pro). Use the 'radeon' xfree86 driver, for 3d accel with a r200 use driver from dri.sf.net CVS or ATI own (closed-source) fireGL driver. r250/r300 not yet supported, or http://www.reades.com/radeon.html |
| 21:11.56 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: and our server setup is a mess.. i rather not change anything |
| 21:12.02 | pickcoder | heh |
| 21:12.03 | *** join/#debian fireba11_grr (n=Miranda@p549590B2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:12.11 | buu | Cups is satan. |
| 21:12.20 | squid0 | anyway. really sucks having a laptop that is useless for anything gui |
| 21:12.30 | Bhavesh | pickcoder: i used some document off mailscanner.info and learned how to export users from exchange and automatically create a list for postfix to use |
| 21:12.33 | *** join/#debian seemawn (n=seemawn@dslb-084-058-145-206.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 21:12.49 | d0uglas | squid0: well you save battery juice in the black and white console i guess |
| 21:13.06 | d0uglas | builds good habits |
| 21:13.27 | *** join/#debian eucalre (n=manek@host-84-9-70-209.bulldogdsl.com) |
| 21:13.30 | amphi | squid0: fbconsole is quite pleasant |
| 21:13.43 | squid0 | d0uglas : haha |
| 21:13.43 | d0uglas | plus i think i heard that there's a way to get quake to work with ASCII |
| 21:13.59 | squid0 | oh, well then my worries are solved ;) |
| 21:14.17 | amphi | squid0: 9100 is fully supported by the xorg radeon driver, according to man radeon |
| 21:14.33 | delire | squid0: what is the problem? that ATI no longer supports the r200's and previous? |
| 21:15.18 | delire | squid0: go with the opensource ati driver if hardware shaders or other bling aren't necessary for you. if they are then roll back to the prior version of fglrx. |
| 21:16.18 | amphi | squid0: the xorg driver supports 3d accel |
| 21:16.51 | amphi | squid0: did you look at linux-laptop.net and tuxmobil.org? |
| 21:17.01 | *** join/#debian Cooner750 (n=Cooner75@cpe-71-72-210-143.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 21:17.08 | squid0 | amphi: no, i didn't |
| 21:17.20 | Cooner750 | http://acx100.sourceforge.net/wiki/ACX States that I need a kernel of 2.6.10 or later... the latest I can get in Debian is 2.6.8? Help ? |
| 21:17.22 | amphi | squid0: you might find useful hints... |
| 21:17.34 | squid0 | well, this is pretty much a brand new install of Dapper, and I can't log into any desktop manager at all! |
| 21:17.43 | h3sp4wn | !tell Cooner750 about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 21:17.44 | squid0 | ok... |
| 21:18.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 702] by debhelper |
| 21:18.02 | h3sp4wn | squid0: #ubuntu |
| 21:18.07 | squid0 | i'm not sure what actual version number the card is. how do i find out? |
| 21:18.09 | amphi | squid0: debian dapper? ;) |
| 21:18.17 | amphi | squid0: lspci |
| 21:18.21 | *** join/#debian birdfish (n=irc@rs223167.resnet.wright.edu) |
| 21:18.30 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:18.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@rapwap.razor.dk] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:18.31 | *** part/#debian paccer (i=paccer@rapwap.razor.dk) |
| 21:18.31 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:18.42 | dondelelcaro | agh. |
| 21:18.45 | *** mode/#debian [+o dondelelcaro] by ChanServ |
| 21:18.52 | *** mode/#debian [-b *!*@rapwap.razor.dk] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:18.53 | birdfish | How would I go about making a process (like an irc bouncer) stay alive even after the user logs out of the server? |
| 21:18.56 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 21:19.28 | h3sp4wn | birdfish: use screen or dtach |
| 21:19.46 | birdfish | h3sp4wn: thanks, I'll check them out =) |
| 21:19.55 | squid0 | amphi: ok |
| 21:19.59 | Cooner750 | Are there any programs I can use on windows to edit "Linux" files that have no extension according to Windows? |
| 21:20.07 | Cooner750 | Like /etc/apt/prefrences |
| 21:20.16 | Bhavesh | Cooner750: most likely wordpad |
| 21:20.24 | Bhavesh | which preserves/understands cr/lf in the file |
| 21:20.34 | Cooner750 | Ok, it says I need to create /etc/apt/prefrences., so, let's see... |
| 21:21.05 | squid0 | ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Mobility M6LY ? |
| 21:21.07 | amphi | Cooner750: any editor that doesn't mess up the line terminators |
| 21:21.11 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 21:21.29 | h3sp4wn | Cooner750: perl -pi -e 's/\r\n$/\n/' file (that will reset the line terminators if you need to) |
| 21:21.30 | *** join/#debian niles (n=gamer@156.12.180.133) |
| 21:21.33 | *** join/#debian qamar (n=qalam@ut-n-35192.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 21:21.43 | Bhavesh | that's good to know |
| 21:21.45 | amphi | squid0: aka radeon 7000 according to man radeon, is supported |
| 21:21.56 | squid0 | amphi: weird |
| 21:21.56 | Bhavesh | another spam bites the dust |
| 21:22.02 | squid0 | cos it doesn't work! |
| 21:22.10 | amphi | !drxx squid0 |
| 21:22.11 | dpkg | squid0: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 21:22.16 | niles | what an inconvience, having to use such a large option of --ingore-on-fail-on-non-empty , when all i want to do is just remove a dir |
| 21:22.20 | h3sp4wn | squid0: We don't know anything about ubuntu ask in #ubuntu |
| 21:22.34 | qamar | i installed a ncurses based music played (moc), when trying to play a mp3 file it gives me there error that i cant open the device /dev/dsp, how can i fix this? |
| 21:22.44 | qamar | s/played/player |
| 21:22.44 | h3sp4wn | !ubuntu |
| 21:22.44 | dpkg | somebody said ubuntu was mine |
| 21:22.44 | squid0 | delire : you say i should roll back the fglrx driver. how do i do that? |
| 21:23.21 | jerb | niles: try rm -fdr |
| 21:23.23 | squid0 | amphi: believe me, i've done dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg plenty of times! |
| 21:23.29 | squid0 | to no avail :( |
| 21:23.38 | *** join/#debian rbaroni (n=baroni@c906a58f.virtua.com.br) |
| 21:23.42 | amphi | squid0: any errors in the xorg log? |
| 21:23.43 | *** join/#debian Suprano (n=anonym00@84.245.165.245) |
| 21:23.46 | Cooner750 | Working on it right now, installing 2.6.16 kernel |
| 21:23.57 | Cooner750 | and then off to install the ACX111 drivers |
| 21:24.07 | squid0 | amphi: yes, says it can't find any screens |
| 21:24.09 | delire | squid0: dpkg -P your xorg fglrx driver and install the previous version. this issue is mentioned on the top of the ati linux driver page. |
| 21:24.15 | amphi | squid0: I would look at the sites I suggested, and see if there's any specific trickery required for that machine |
| 21:24.27 | squid0 | delire: ok... |
| 21:24.29 | Bhavesh | Max Spam (blocked by MTA): 91.0 percent Average Spam (blocked by MTA): 32.0 percent Current Spam (blocked by MTA): 65.0 percent |
| 21:24.31 | squid0 | amphi: ok |
| 21:24.32 | Bhavesh | not bad is it? |
| 21:25.01 | delire | squid0: what i suggest works for the 9200 (r200) so it should also for the 9100. |
| 21:25.04 | Cooner750 | I should also install the kernel header files for 2.6.16 as well? |
| 21:25.38 | amphi | squid0: there's no reason to use fglrx with that card AFAIK - it is well supported by the free driver |
| 21:25.39 | Bhavesh | Cooner750: if you are going to compile anything, you may as well get it |
| 21:25.47 | amphi | delire: it isn't a 9100 |
| 21:25.53 | Cooner750 | Yea, the ACX Wiki says I need it |
| 21:26.08 | squid0 | delire: ok. but when i try using the ati driver using dpkg-reconfigure ...., it doesn't work either |
| 21:26.29 | Cooner750 | taking about 2m40s to download and install the new kernel version |
| 21:26.31 | Cooner750 | not bad |
| 21:26.39 | Bhavesh | not at all |
| 21:26.47 | Cooner750 | about 480Kb/s |
| 21:26.55 | Cooner750 | Cable connection |
| 21:27.17 | Bhavesh | i am going to loose that fast high speed stuff soon comcast my provider is going to change residential cable to not allow to host any service |
| 21:27.27 | abrotman | squid0: dude .. stop asking ubuntu questions in #debian |
| 21:27.28 | Bhavesh | Cooner750: mine comes out about 700+kb/sec |
| 21:28.09 | Cooner750 | Running a speed test, to a Chicago server (Closest to here), I get on average 4600Kbps Download, 380 Up |
| 21:28.27 | birdfish | h3sp4wn: So after installing dtach, how do I figure out which socket to attach to? |
| 21:28.36 | squid0 | abrotman : these aren't particularly ubuntu questions. and i figure that most people on #debian are a lot more knowledgeable /experienced than those on #ubuntu. i've hung around #ubuntu a lot |
| 21:28.47 | birdfish | h3sp4wn: I ran "dtach -c muh" but it said that I didn't execute any commands. |
| 21:28.54 | cydork | !ubuntu |
| 21:28.55 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ubuntu is A GNU/Linux distribution that is <Based on Debian>. Please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ or /join #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we do not support Ubuntu here. |
| 21:28.55 | amphi | squid0: the flattery gambit, eh? ;) |
| 21:29.02 | abrotman | squid0: it doesn't matter .. there are ubuntu specific patches .. they obviously affect the way the packages run |
| 21:29.09 | squid0 | amphi: lol well it's true |
| 21:29.12 | abrotman | squid0: if you want generic help .. go to ##linux |
| 21:29.34 | cydork | abrotman, they help? since when? :P |
| 21:29.50 | squid0 | abrotman : hm. fair enough. but people are helping me here, being friendly. no-one's objecting besides you. be nice |
| 21:29.59 | abrotman | squid0: ask them to go to #ubuntu with you |
| 21:30.11 | squid0 | lol you won't give up, will you? |
| 21:30.18 | abrotman | squid0: this channel is to support Debian .. you're NOT running Debian |
| 21:30.19 | cydork | squid0, read the topic. |
| 21:30.28 | squid0 | true |
| 21:30.48 | abrotman | squid0: so if there's someone here helping you .. ask them to msg you .. or /join #helpsquid0 or go to #ubuntu .. please |
| 21:31.05 | squid0 | ok |
| 21:31.12 | abrotman | thank you |
| 21:31.23 | squid0 | that was nice and polite. thanks |
| 21:31.35 | sysop | has anyone seen a beta of flash9 for linux floating around? |
| 21:31.41 | Cooner750 | Hmm, what is the package name for the kernel headers for 2.6.16? (686 arch) |
| 21:31.53 | cydork | Cooner750, linux-headers |
| 21:32.25 | Cooner750 | installing now :P |
| 21:32.27 | *** join/#debian MtJB (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-176-215.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 21:32.29 | *** join/#debian CoyoTTe (i=coyote@85.106.255.90) |
| 21:32.41 | MtJB | may i post a quote from a newstory for comment? |
| 21:32.43 | *** part/#debian qamar (n=qalam@ut-n-35192.adsl.wanadoo.nl) |
| 21:32.46 | *** join/#debian siriusnova_ (i=siriusno@rc18acs206.ddns.umr.edu) |
| 21:32.49 | Cooner750 | Reboot is probably a good idea after this? |
| 21:32.54 | dondelelcaro | MtJB: this is not a general discussion channel |
| 21:33.02 | cydork | Cooner750, nope it's just headers. |
| 21:33.03 | delire | squid0: there are alot of very smart people in #ubuntu. you're best to ask there. |
| 21:33.09 | MtJB | dondelelcaro, ok |
| 21:33.13 | Bhavesh | Cooner750: make sure the kernel is installed in the right file so you can select it when rebooting :) |
| 21:33.14 | EdLin | !permasunday |
| 21:33.14 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 21:33.55 | MtJB | its just not often i see debian referred to as a "new-fangled distro" |
| 21:34.20 | Cooner750 | Yea it upgraded the grub conf file so 2.6.16 was the default option |
| 21:34.27 | cydork | MtJB, is it about mozilla firefox issue? :P |
| 21:34.38 | MtJB | cydork, no, not that |
| 21:35.05 | Cooner750 | This computer is going to be used as a file server, but I have to get wireless to work as where it's located, I cannot get a wired connection to it |
| 21:35.11 | Cooner750 | So that's what I'm working on |
| 21:35.34 | cydork | Cooner750, oh you installed new kernel too. i thought just headers :P |
| 21:35.34 | Cooner750 | ok logged back into server |
| 21:35.36 | *** join/#debian mirak (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-61-171.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 21:35.49 | Cooner750 | cydork: Yea, ACX wiki says you need 2.6.10 or later |
| 21:36.00 | *** part/#debian MtJB (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-176-215.austin.res.rr.com) |
| 21:36.07 | abrotman | squid0: you should see me on my nasty days :) |
| 21:36.33 | Cooner750 | The card is a ZyXEL ZyAir G-302v2, a Texas Instruments ACX111 54Mbps chipset |
| 21:36.33 | Bhavesh | Cooner750: how's it working? |
| 21:36.43 | abrotman | !acx110 |
| 21:36.43 | dpkg | i heard acx100 is wireless internet card chipset that is a royal pain to install, but if you go to http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php you will be able to have your card up and running in an hour (hopefully). http://acx100.sourceforge.net/ |
| 21:36.55 | Bhavesh | hahaha |
| 21:36.56 | andreiutz | how can i see the temperature sensors on sarge ? |
| 21:36.57 | Cooner750 | Working on download for Firmware and such right now |
| 21:36.58 | Bhavesh | an hour? |
| 21:37.15 | Bhavesh | Cooner750: good luck.. i did get one of the card working for someone, using ndiswraper |
| 21:37.15 | cydork | andreiutz, lm-sensors? |
| 21:37.15 | Cooner750 | the acx sourceforge site is loading really slow |
| 21:37.38 | holycow | hey guys |
| 21:37.44 | andreiutz | cydork, lm-sensors reads even the fan rotation ? |
| 21:38.00 | *** mode/#debian [+l 683] by debhelper |
| 21:38.06 | cydork | andreiutz, not sure. check it out :P |
| 21:38.23 | holycow | i had a conversation with a friend a year or so ago in which he suggested multiple partitions for various debian components ... so / and /home for obvious reasons, /var so that if th elog files for whatever reasons overflow / is not affected |
| 21:38.40 | Bhavesh | holycow: that's a good idea |
| 21:38.44 | *** join/#debian jal (n=JaL@nea78-1-82-242-102-202.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 21:38.49 | holycow | are there any other 'common' approaches to properly partitioning a file system for effective debian server installs? |
| 21:38.59 | *** join/#debian iamtheric (n=richardo@dpc6746139215.direcpc.com) |
| 21:39.05 | *** join/#debian RvGaTe (n=rvgate-f@g178204.upc-g.chello.nl) |
| 21:39.15 | iamtheric | where does apt keep its package cache? |
| 21:39.32 | *** join/#debian LordBrain (n=jim@user-0c6ssn3.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 21:39.36 | abrotman | /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 21:39.36 | *** join/#debian [Hazard] (n=h4zard@82.239.38.135) |
| 21:39.52 | iamtheric | oh |
| 21:39.53 | iamtheric | ok |
| 21:40.06 | *** join/#debian PleAt44 (n=exact@CPE000d6113fb8a-CM014100007568.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) |
| 21:40.28 | iamtheric | sweet |
| 21:40.31 | iamtheric | thanks |
| 21:40.34 | *** part/#debian iamtheric (n=richardo@dpc6746139215.direcpc.com) |
| 21:42.29 | *** join/#debian solemnwarning (n=solemnwa@cpc3-fare2-0-0-cust598.cos2.cable.ntl.com) |
| 21:42.31 | solemnwarning | Hi all |
| 21:43.14 | andreiutz | cydork, can i install lm-sensors if i have 2.6 kernel ? |
| 21:43.27 | *** join/#debian Zeit|awy (n=wurscht@p54A7A41A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 21:43.32 | solemnwarning | I've setup dual monitors using twinview, but KDE does not properly use the monitors |
| 21:43.47 | cydork | andreiutz, yes |
| 21:44.07 | andreiutz | cydork, thank you |
| 21:44.22 | solemnwarning | Maximised windows and the taskbar stick to one screen, but the other stuff is stretched accross both monitors |
| 21:44.36 | Cooner750 | Hmm |
| 21:44.42 | Cooner750 | of course it isnt error free |
| 21:44.51 | solemnwarning | #KDE thinks this might be an issue with either KDE 3.3 or XFree86 not supporting dual monitors properly |
| 21:45.03 | solemnwarning | What should I do? |
| 21:45.06 | *** join/#debian smagy2 (n=xyz@65.214.56.49) |
| 21:45.25 | Cooner750 | it built fine, but I get -- "insmod: error inserting ./acx.ko: -1 Unknown symbol in module" |
| 21:46.10 | solemnwarning | Anyone? |
| 21:46.17 | solemnwarning | Hmm, 666 users.... |
| 21:46.20 | Bhavesh | bbl.. going home from work |
| 21:46.33 | Bhavesh | solemnwarning: sorry can't help.. wish i had two monitors to even TRY it :) |
| 21:46.35 | smagy2 | hello folks, i have come across a memory usage problem which i need help to diagnos. i have a system where when I do ps aux, the column with MEM% mostly shows 0.0 or a little more than that. there is one application that shows 6.0, however free -m shows that there is 3.9G being used. would appreciate some pointers to find out what application is using so much of memory |
| 21:46.54 | Bhavesh | smagy2: what does free -m show? |
| 21:46.57 | smagy2 | it runs a 2.4.31 kernel |
| 21:47.10 | Cooner750 | Anyone have any ideas as to what could be wrong? |
| 21:47.16 | *** join/#debian mrec_ (n=revenger@N245P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:47.30 | Bhavesh | smagy2: it is possible a lot of memory could be used for cache |
| 21:47.35 | *** join/#debian sanmarcos (n=sanmarco@unaffiliated/sanmarcos) |
| 21:47.36 | mrec_ | is there any way to convert a png to pdf using imagemagic convert? without shrinking the whole image? |
| 21:47.41 | mrec_ | this is an idiotic feature |
| 21:47.45 | Bhavesh | hehe |
| 21:47.48 | Bhavesh | sorry got to go |
| 21:47.52 | smagy2 | bhavesh : http://rafb.net/paste/results/Cqkzdq48.html |
| 21:48.11 | *** join/#debian pike_ (n=helpdesk@adsl-068-222-206-252.sip.bgk.bellsouth.net) |
| 21:48.39 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 21:48.51 | *** join/#debian MegaByte (i=1000@201.79.136.83) |
| 21:48.56 | MegaByte | does anyone here use fuse? |
| 21:49.26 | *** join/#debian ehj20 (n=ed@ehjones.plus.com) |
| 21:49.47 | Cooner750 | dmesg is showing me "acx: Unknown symbol request_firmware" |
| 21:49.56 | mrec_ | imagemagick is gay bah |
| 21:50.05 | *** join/#debian n3kl_ (n=n3kl@207-224-52-98.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 21:50.27 | eldowan | mrec_: many times a pdf will have a larger dpi than the png, so it will become really small. Try increasing the dpi on the png, but it will probably require a larger png resolution. |
| 21:50.43 | ArkoldThos | how can i change xkb map to swe? |
| 21:50.57 | ArkoldThos | setxkbmap swe dont works :< |
| 21:51.04 | mrec_ | eldowan: I need to copy one site of a pdf and recreate another pdf |
| 21:51.16 | mrec_ | bad thing is I created the initial pdf too .. but I don't have the source anymore |
| 21:52.32 | *** join/#debian black_13 (n=black_13@72.16.158.17) |
| 21:52.47 | eldowan | mrec_: I don't understand what you are needing to do. |
| 21:53.46 | mrec_ | just need to export 1 page of an existing pdf and recreate another pdf with that single page |
| 21:54.18 | dondelelcaro | mrec_: you can do that easily with xpdf or some of the other pdf manipulation programs |
| 21:54.29 | mrec_ | hm? |
| 21:54.40 | mrec_ | I opened xpdf and tried import for grabbing a new image |
| 21:54.52 | Cooner750 | Hey I fixed it |
| 21:54.53 | Cooner750 | I believe |
| 21:55.00 | mrec_ | but as soon as I convert the result to another pdf it looks like a stamp |
| 21:55.10 | Cooner750 | by running: modprobe firmware_class |
| 21:55.14 | Cooner750 | and then insmod ./acx.ko |
| 21:55.16 | Cooner750 | and no errors |
| 21:55.17 | dondelelcaro | mrec_: like pdfnup --pages 1 --output foo.pdf bar.pdf |
| 21:55.36 | dondelelcaro | mrec_: no, you just output ps of a single page, then create a pdf from it, or use pdfnup like I just showed. |
| 21:55.55 | Cooner750 | and now my card shows under iwconfig |
| 21:55.57 | Cooner750 | :) |
| 21:56.08 | Cooner750 | Now if it will work, and if I can figure out how to config it |
| 21:56.19 | *** join/#debian deadly_venom (n=LoL@ner-as20061.alshamil.net.ae) |
| 21:56.21 | deadly_venom | When i go to synaptic package maanager, I get Read error - read (5 input/output error) .. The package lists could not be opened. .. even from terminal, when i type apt-get , same error. |
| 21:56.27 | deadly_venom | How do i fix it? |
| 21:57.16 | Cooner750 | What modes are there to iwconfig, for setting the "mode" of the wireless card? |
| 21:57.23 | Cooner750 | I see Managed, Ad-Hoc, and that's all --help says |
| 21:57.51 | Cooner750 | What would I run if I have it setup with DHCP like I do, and broadcast ssid is enabled on the router |
| 21:57.54 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 21:58.15 | dondelelcaro | deadly_venom: and if you run apt-get update;? |
| 21:58.23 | Narada | what's the command to sync the tree?\ |
| 21:58.42 | smagy2 | hello folks, i have come across a memory usage problem which i need help to diagnos. i have a system where when I do ps aux, the column with MEM% mostly shows 0.0 or a little more than that. there is one application that shows 6.0, however free -m shows that there is 3.9G being used. would appreciate some pointers to find out what application is using so much of memory. i am using a 2.4.32 kernel |
| 21:58.45 | *** join/#debian ArchitectSinan (n=mylocalh@85.103.32.135) |
| 21:59.00 | Zesty | Is a script, still considered software? |
| 21:59.01 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: what is the second line of free? |
| 21:59.02 | ArchitectSinan | !netinst |
| 21:59.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 21:59.06 | h3sp4wn | Cooner750: Take the wpasupplicant from sarge backports and then read /usr/share/doc/wpasupplicant/README.modes.gz (man interfaces / man wireless) |
| 21:59.06 | dondelelcaro | Zesty: yes |
| 21:59.19 | ArchitectSinan | hi all |
| 22:00.22 | Braindead | smagy2: what's wrong with the memory usage? that's just caching... |
| 22:00.39 | Narada | how do you fetch the latest list of packages using apt |
| 22:00.46 | smagy2 | dond: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JdKva562.html |
| 22:00.47 | dondelelcaro | Narada: apt-get update |
| 22:00.54 | Narada | ah perfect thanks |
| 22:01.29 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: it'd help if you just ran free; but in any event, you've got ~3.7G free. |
| 22:01.35 | Cooner750 | Hmm this is confusing |
| 22:01.41 | Cooner750 | there are no entries in /etc/network/interfaces for wlan0 |
| 22:01.44 | Cooner750 | but I dont know how to edit it |
| 22:01.54 | Braindead | smagy2: you see that 3610 on the cached column? that's well...the cache |
| 22:02.01 | Braindead | memory unused is memory wasted |
| 22:02.04 | eldowan | mrec_: Have you tried printing to PDF, and only printing the one page? |
| 22:02.04 | Narada | which package contains the nvidia graphics kernel driver |
| 22:02.04 | *** join/#debian Xorm (n=ADD@adsl-68-126-202-181.dsl.pltn13.pacbell.net) |
| 22:02.11 | dondelelcaro | Cooner750: man 5 interfaces; and open it up in an editor |
| 22:02.18 | *** join/#debian Irrumator (n=iravid@about/unixlove/Irrumator) |
| 22:02.31 | Kevin` | Cooner750 I assume this is a long-term configuration? |
| 22:02.31 | smagy2 | dond: http://rafb.net/paste/results/CvoNYv19.html with just free |
| 22:02.49 | Cooner750 | Yes, right now I just want to be able to connect to the router and at least ping it |
| 22:03.03 | ArchitectSinan | I don't have a CD/DVD drive (ofcourse i have, but my intel 965 chipset has problem with kernel lesser than 2.6.18). I want to do "netinst". I boot from my flashdrive ( i prepared with Syslinux and the 3.1r3's netinst.iso file), it boots perfectly. But my debian installer fails in "Detect and mount CD-ROM" stage. I want to do "Network Installation" without a CD-ROM. Should i have a CDROM ? |
| 22:03.06 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: the key line is the +/- buffers/cache line. That tells you how much memory can be trivially freed. |
| 22:03.29 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: memory that is not being used is wasted memory; your system tries to use every last bit of memory as cache, freeing for applications when necessary. |
| 22:03.29 | Kevin` | Cooner750 well it's best to configure it permanently then, in that file.. but you should be aware you can do it yourself fairly easily with iwconfig/ifconfig |
| 22:03.40 | ArchitectSinan | !install |
| 22:03.40 | dpkg | There are a myriad different ways to install Debian. See http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/debian-installer for a list of images. Ask me about <install guide> and <d-i> for detailed instructions. (If you've never installed Debian before, you should read the install guide.) |
| 22:03.41 | smagy2 | dond: hmmn, so it is cached data that can paged out anytime eh ? |
| 22:03.56 | ArchitectSinan | !d-i |
| 22:03.56 | *** join/#debian dagger (n=cloak@unaffiliated/cloak) |
| 22:03.56 | dpkg | For stable/sarge: http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ and the development page for the installer(ISOs for etch/testing) is http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ d-i is the new generation Debian Installer, the replacement for boot floopies which was last used in woody. If you want to make custom install cds, start with d-i. IRC: oftc,net, #debian-boot. |
| 22:03.58 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: right |
| 22:04.05 | ArchitectSinan | !install guide |
| 22:04.05 | dpkg | The Installation Guide for stable can be found at: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual and for woody: http://www.debian.org/releases/woody/installmanual For sid: ask me about "iyhtays". Also ask me about "reference". |
| 22:04.06 | *** join/#debian mikefoo (i=mikefoo@64.152.34.4) |
| 22:04.13 | dondelelcaro | smagy2: you're actually using ~ 200M. |
| 22:04.23 | mrec_ | eldowan: no .. well I solved it another way.. wrote I don't have the documents here and I'll send them as soon as I have them again : |
| 22:04.26 | mrec_ | :) |
| 22:04.40 | Cooner750 | Ok, can you tell me a few things, such as, It does have 64 bit WEP encryption that I can disable if needed, but I'd like it to work, how do I enter that using iwconfig? Also, the SSID, as well as "Access Point" setting, which is all 0s right now, is that the MAC of the router? |
| 22:04.56 | andreiutz | how do i exctract files archived with rar ? |
| 22:04.57 | nalioth | Xorm: you were in the correct help channel |
| 22:05.01 | Braindead | Cooner750: read /usr/share/doc/wireless-tools/README.Debian |
| 22:05.04 | Xorm | oh. |
| 22:05.17 | Xorm | That's good. |
| 22:05.19 | nalioth | Adrian: unrar |
| 22:05.25 | Kevin` | iwconfig interface key BAADFOOD1234 essid accesspointname |
| 22:05.26 | *** join/#debian metaperl (n=tbrannon@140-22.35-65.tampabay.res.rr.com) |
| 22:05.26 | smagy2 | oh okay. where can i read more about this ? to understand what /proc/meminfo enteries mean, since that's where free is getting its data |
| 22:05.51 | Kevin` | hm that key was the wrong length.. all my careful typingness :( |
| 22:05.58 | Kevin` | well whatever, you should have that |
| 22:06.00 | smagy2 | dond: is it possible to find out to which application does the cached data belong too ? |
| 22:06.02 | *** join/#debian win_x_prts (n=win_x_pr@ip70-171-63-240.ga.at.cox.net) |
| 22:06.25 | smagy2 | dond: because ps aux shows the mem% to be 0.0 for most applications |
| 22:06.28 | Narada | how do you guys normally get nvidia drivers to work on debian |
| 22:06.29 | *** part/#debian dagger (n=cloak@unaffiliated/cloak) |
| 22:06.31 | Braindead | smagy2: anything,even a cp of a big file. why should you care? |
| 22:06.36 | Narada | do you use the official nvidia installer or is there a debian package |
| 22:06.57 | *** join/#debian a1fa (n=root@unaffiliated/a1fa) |
| 22:07.24 | Braindead | Narada: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?query=debian+nvidia |
| 22:07.40 | *** part/#debian a1fa (n=root@unaffiliated/a1fa) |
| 22:07.42 | *** join/#debian a1fa (n=root@unaffiliated/a1fa) |
| 22:07.43 | Braindead | !tell Narada about nvidia |
| 22:07.56 | Narada | braindead already did google it but my question was about how the guys in this channel do it so i could look up that way |
| 22:08.22 | smagy2 | Braindead: the user insists on saying it is memory problem. while i kind remembered that data that is cached will eventually get paged out. so i wanna show to the user, to which application the data belongs to |
| 22:08.38 | *** join/#debian a1fa (n=foofo@unaffiliated/a1fa) |
| 22:08.44 | a1fa | hehe |
| 22:08.46 | *** join/#debian jelly-home (i=burek@islands.iskon.hr) |
| 22:08.46 | a1fa | bad monkeys bad! |
| 22:08.54 | Braindead | Narada: "or is there a debian package" seemed like you didn't STFW |
| 22:09.29 | a1fa | i am having a problem with debian netinstall for sparc |
| 22:09.36 | smagy2 | narada: if you want to find out if there is a package then search on packages.debian.org or use apt-cache search . http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?keywords=nvidia&searchon=names&subword=1&version=all&release=all |
| 22:09.52 | wols_ | !tell Narada about nvidia |
| 22:10.02 | Narada | braindead i did apt-cache search nvidia but nothing relevant came up; what is STFW btw |
| 22:10.20 | *** join/#debian aao_pwner (n=aao_pwne@c-24-21-91-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:10.21 | Narada | smagy2: i did do that; nothing relevant came up; don't know why |
| 22:10.25 | *** join/#debian abyssal (n=msimoes@82-71-1-140.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) |
| 22:10.59 | *** join/#debian Vilmar (n=vilmar@swidnik180.resetnet.pl) |
| 22:11.04 | Braindead | !tell Narada about STFW |
| 22:11.05 | Narada | braindead ah search the fucking web; i see you're one of those people |
| 22:11.15 | a1fa | Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on 00:00 |
| 22:11.18 | smagy2 | narada: click on the link that sent you |
| 22:11.21 | a1fa | on install? |
| 22:11.26 | Cooner750 | can someone send me an example /etc/network/interfaces thath as a wireless config in it? |
| 22:11.30 | Cooner750 | that* |
| 22:11.39 | Narada | smagy2: why don't those show up in apt-cache search? |
| 22:11.41 | Braindead | I see you're one of those people who keep on lying instead of saying "ok I didn't search google before asking" |
| 22:11.42 | Kevin` | a1fa on the install disk or when booting from hd |
| 22:11.42 | *** join/#debian psyz0 (n=psyz0@200-168-81-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 22:11.45 | Vilmar | hi all |
| 22:11.55 | Narada | smagy2 i am on etch; is there something i have to add to the sources list |
| 22:11.58 | *** part/#debian psyz0 (n=psyz0@200-168-81-162.dsl.telesp.net.br) |
| 22:12.17 | Vilmar | I have a serious problem with a kernel |
| 22:12.18 | a1fa | Kevin` : install cd |
| 22:12.22 | Kevin` | a1fa also, any errors before that? like from the initrd not finding hardware |
| 22:12.28 | Braindead | !tell Narada about nvidia-graphic-drivers |
| 22:12.30 | Cooner750 | Do I put "iface wlan0 net dhcp"? |
| 22:12.34 | *** join/#debian peerless (n=peerless@124-168-21-169.dyn.iinet.net.au) |
| 22:12.35 | Cooner750 | inet* |
| 22:12.36 | Kevin` | Vilmar serious eh? |
| 22:12.42 | a1fa | Kevin` : partition error check |
| 22:12.42 | Braindead | !tell Narada about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 22:12.48 | a1fa | Kevin` : the partition is sunfs |
| 22:12.59 | a1fa | Kevin` : so it has a problem calculating space.. but other than thet.. no errors |
| 22:13.18 | a1fa | Kevin` : " unable to read partition table" |
| 22:13.22 | Vilmar | Kevin`: yes, it doesn't boot, one sec, i will paste the msg |
| 22:13.23 | Braindead | !tell Narada about nvidia one-liner |
| 22:13.28 | Braindead | !tell Narada about etch nvidia |
| 22:13.34 | smagy2 | narada: this link has all the information you need http://packages.debian.org/unstable/source/nvidia-graphics-drivers . this is the first link on google. |
| 22:13.34 | a1fa | i tried to go in rescue, and manually create the partition, but it wont let me |
| 22:13.46 | Braindead | Narada: dpkg told you everything you need to know |
| 22:13.46 | *** join/#debian unreal (n=unreal@unaffiliated/unreal) |
| 22:13.57 | Narada | okay |
| 22:14.13 | Narada | information overload |
| 22:14.17 | Braindead | btw first link on google for "debian nvidia" is http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
| 22:14.24 | Narada | yeah i saw that |
| 22:14.25 | a1fa | it appears many people are having the same issue with 3.1r3 |
| 22:14.39 | Vilmar | kernel panic - not syncing: vfs: unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(3,8) |
| 22:14.48 | Narada | but why should i have to look at third party links; they could really old and out of date; that's why i asked here |
| 22:14.51 | Kevin` | Vilmar custom kernel? |
| 22:15.04 | Vilmar | kernel 2.6.18, yes, configured by myself |
| 22:15.17 | Braindead | Vilmar: you didn't configure it properly |
| 22:15.22 | Kevin` | Vilmar you almost certainly forgot something |
| 22:15.31 | Braindead | either you missed your ide controller/fs support |
| 22:15.43 | stew | Vilmar: /msg dpkg can't mount root |
| 22:15.53 | *** join/#debian jhonn (n=juangiff@mail.latinvalley.com) |
| 22:16.01 | a1fa | Kevin` : any ideas? |
| 22:16.11 | mikefoo | ext3 should be faster for a fsck then ext2, yes? |
| 22:16.15 | Vilmar | I would love if it was the case, but I compiled it today like 20 times with different configurations |
| 22:16.22 | Kevin` | a1fa I wonder why the install cd is trying to mount a partition on the hard drive as root |
| 22:16.23 | Cooner750 | hmm cant figure this out |
| 22:16.49 | Kevin` | mikefoo sometimes.. usually you don't have to fsck it, due to the journal |
| 22:17.06 | Braindead | Vilmar: it must be the case. unless you've already ruled out solar magnetic storms and poltergeists |
| 22:17.09 | *** join/#debian msn (i=manpreet@unaffiliated/msn) |
| 22:17.26 | Kevin` | what's device 3,8, anyone? |
| 22:17.43 | mikefoo | ok well ext3 performance isn't great for us, so we went ext2, is there a journling fs that is fast as ext2? |
| 22:17.47 | Vilmar | I googled it already and I got the same answer, but I'm pretty sure I enabled an ATA and ext3 fs support |
| 22:17.54 | stew | Vilmar: you either didn't include your root filesystem (ext3?) your the specific hard dick controller for your root filesystem. they must be compiled directly in (*) not as modules (M) or you need an initrd |
| 22:17.59 | smagy2 | vilmar: you could paste the contents of .config on rafb.net/paste |
| 22:18.06 | Kevin` | ah, it's /dev/hda8 |
| 22:18.06 | wols_ | Vilmar: which device has your root fs? |
| 22:18.11 | smagy2 | and the output of lspci |
| 22:18.17 | stew | Vilmar: are you switching from 2.4 to 2.6? |
| 22:18.19 | wols_ | Kevin`: no |
| 22:18.28 | Vilmar | stew: yes |
| 22:18.28 | *** join/#debian sparr (i=sparr@pdpc/supporter/active/sparr) |
| 22:18.30 | Cooner750 | can someone paste a copy of interfaces that has a wireless config |
| 22:18.32 | a1fa | Kevin` : i found the solution, but it wants you to format the HD on a different box, and reinstall again |
| 22:18.36 | *** join/#debian Halitherses (n=Halither@c210-49-157-34.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) |
| 22:18.41 | Cooner750 | I am so confused |
| 22:18.44 | a1fa | Kevin` : i wonder if there would be way to force that |
| 22:18.47 | stew | Vilmar: in that case note that the device name would be changing from /dev/hdx to /dev/sdx |
| 22:18.48 | Kevin` | wols_ yes it is.. what is it then? |
| 22:18.56 | stew | Vilmar: do you use grub or lilo? |
| 22:19.07 | wols_ | jhonn: hd3 would be hdc after your counting |
| 22:19.13 | wols_ | Kevin`: |
| 22:19.17 | Vilmar | grub, but I'm pretty sure my |
| 22:19.21 | smagy2 | Cooner750: what is confusing you ? |
| 22:19.28 | Cooner750 | How to get this working |
| 22:19.29 | Vilmar | *HD is normal ATA, not SATA or SCSI |
| 22:19.35 | wols_ | Vilmar: what is your "root=" setting for your kernel? |
| 22:19.40 | Cooner750 | iwconfig wlan0 reports the config for it |
| 22:19.49 | a1fa | Kevin` http://bits.sid3windr.be/netraX1/ |
| 22:20.02 | Cooner750 | ifdown wlan0 says interface not configured, and ifup wlan0 says Ignoring unknown interface wlan0 |
| 22:20.04 | stew | Vilmar: oh, in that case it's still /dev/hdx |
| 22:20.24 | stew | Vilmar: you compiled them in the kernel (*) ? or as modules (M) ? |
| 22:20.36 | Vilmar | wols_: /dev/hda8, the same as in a working 2.4.x configuration |
| 22:20.54 | Vilmar | stew: kernel, sure about this |
| 22:20.55 | wols_ | Vilmar: then why is your kernel trying to load hd3,8? |
| 22:21.29 | Kevin` | it's trying to load device 3,8, which is hda8.. ls -l /dev/hda8 if curious, or Documentation/devices.txt.. |
| 22:22.13 | stew | Vilmar: what ide controller do you have? |
| 22:22.36 | Vilmar | how can I figure it out? |
| 22:22.41 | Kevin` | lspci |
| 22:22.54 | smagy2 | Cooner: you need to iwconfig wlan0 essi <network id of the wireless network> first |
| 22:22.56 | *** join/#debian daraban (n=daraban@81.6.75.174) |
| 22:23.04 | Kevin` | although if you included generic ide support it should work |
| 22:23.39 | Cooner750 | I just edited interfaces so it includes and entry for wlan0 |
| 22:23.44 | stew | Vilmar: what does "lspci -n | grep 0101" say? |
| 22:23.44 | Cooner750 | Do I have to restart? |
| 22:23.51 | Kage | Okay, wtf, how do I turn su protection off in PAM? |
| 22:23.54 | Kevin` | ifup/ifdown are to run the scripts for configuring it, not what you should use if your doing it yourself |
| 22:23.55 | stew | Cooner750: no, just "ifup wlan0" |
| 22:23.57 | Vilmar | lspci says Intel Corp. 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) ... |
| 22:23.58 | *** join/#debian g333k (n=Gonzalo@201.230.176.151) |
| 22:24.29 | Kevin` | Cooner750 perhaps you edited it incorrectly? :) |
| 22:24.40 | Cooner750 | stew: Keep getting "DHCPDISCOVER on wlan0 t 255.255.255.255 port 67 Interval 4" etc.... |
| 22:24.41 | Vilmar | 0000:00:1f.1 0101: 8086:24db |
| 22:24.43 | *** join/#debian nOp (i=nico@86.68.204.207) |
| 22:24.49 | Cooner750 | and it keeps going |
| 22:25.03 | Cooner750 | is there a setting to enter the IP of the router? |
| 22:25.06 | *** part/#debian a1fa (n=foofo@unaffiliated/a1fa) |
| 22:25.17 | Kevin` | Vilmar it didn't give you an actual name? how annoying.. anyone want to look up that id? |
| 22:25.19 | stew | Vilmar: that's a intel piix |
| 22:25.46 | stew | Kevin`: it gave the name, i asked for those ids, you can look up the kernel module by id, which in his case is piix |
| 22:25.58 | Vilmar | stew: what then? |
| 22:25.59 | *** join/#debian aao_pwner (n=aao_pwne@c-24-21-91-140.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) |
| 22:25.59 | Kevin` | Cooner750 I always do it myself, since I connect to different networks more often then the same configuration |
| 22:26.14 | Cooner750 | Why is it trying to get a request from 255.255.255.255? |
| 22:26.20 | *** join/#debian junix (n=andrew@68-184-218-216.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) |
| 22:26.21 | stew | Vilmar: make sure piix is compiled into your kernel and ext2/ext3 is compiled into your kernel |
| 22:26.27 | Cooner750 | Shouldnt it have the IP of the router? |
| 22:26.37 | Kevin` | stew how do you look up the kernel module for an id? |
| 22:26.38 | *** join/#debian dark_light (n=dark@unaffiliated/darklight) |
| 22:26.55 | stew | Kevin`: in this case: grep "8086.*24db" /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/modules.pcimap |
| 22:27.15 | Cooner750 | I cant get it to work... |
| 22:27.18 | soop | question: i've been looking at setting up ltsp but it all seems to depend on pxe boot loading an image ... what i'd like to do is setup a box so someone can RDP or VNC into it ... any ideas where to start? |
| 22:27.31 | stew | Cooner750: use "iwconfig" to see if you are associated with an AP |
| 22:27.38 | *** join/#debian kantlivelong (n=shawn@ool-45796849.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:27.39 | Kevin` | Cooner750 you shouldn't need to give the router ip if you are using dhcp |
| 22:27.42 | *** part/#debian kantlivelong (n=shawn@ool-45796849.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 22:27.55 | *** part/#debian danIG (n=danIG@pD9E0753D.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:28.02 | stew | Cooner750: 255.255.255.255 is the ip address that DHCP servers listen on |
| 22:28.13 | eldowan | soop: Any load with vnc server should allow you to vnc into the machine. Of course you would want X installed and such. |
| 22:28.41 | *** join/#debian _rui_ (n=rui@217.129.8.185) |
| 22:30.35 | Vilmar | stew: I believe there is no piix-related config item |
| 22:30.59 | Kevin` | it might not be called "piix" in the config program |
| 22:31.14 | Vilmar | should I enable the "use old disk-only driver on primary interface"? |
| 22:31.25 | stew | Vilmar: grep PIIX /boot/config-$(uname -r) -> CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=m |
| 22:31.35 | stew | Vilmar: you want that to be =y, not =m however |
| 22:31.37 | Kevin` | Vilmar no |
| 22:32.18 | Braindead | Vilmar: anyway what's wrong with debian precompiled images? |
| 22:32.40 | *** join/#debian nokrev (n=nokrev@adsl-70-253-223-102.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) |
| 22:32.45 | *** join/#debian iLLf8d (n=neener@user-0can16l.cable.mindspring.com) |
| 22:32.51 | Kevin` | Braindead I hate when people ask me that, heh |
| 22:33.08 | Vilmar | Braindead: actually I don't know, I guess I like to have control over things ;) |
| 22:33.09 | *** part/#debian daraban (n=daraban@81.6.75.174) |
| 22:33.23 | Braindead | Kevin`: I only ask it to people who seek help and when it's clear they don't have a clue |
| 22:33.27 | Braindead | see |
| 22:34.34 | stew | Braindead: can you please refrain from being critical of others |
| 22:34.49 | h3sp4wn | Braindead: there is no preemption in them (not suitable for a desktop) - not using CFQ io scheduler as default (If they had a desktop kernel with those 2 changes I would use stock kernels) |
| 22:34.52 | Braindead | yeah I forgot ;) |
| 22:35.09 | Braindead | h3sp4wn: they now do,check 2.6.18 |
| 22:35.33 | stew | Braindead: and to get 2.6.18 on stable or testing, you'd have to compile it yourself... |
| 22:35.40 | stew | well on stable at least |
| 22:36.22 | h3sp4wn | Braindead: CONFIG_PREEMPT_NONE=y |
| 22:36.30 | h3sp4wn | Braindead: (in 2.6.18-1) |
| 22:36.32 | *** part/#debian ehj20 (n=ed@ehjones.plus.com) |
| 22:36.43 | *** join/#debian ehj20 (n=ed@ehjones.plus.com) |
| 22:37.03 | stew | h3sp4wn: i'd change "suitable" to "optimal" in your above statement |
| 22:37.17 | Vilmar | there is no CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX, the only PIIX I have is CONFIG_I2C_PIIX4 |
| 22:37.52 | h3sp4wn | stew: agreed |
| 22:37.58 | *** join/#debian kugghjul (i=kugg@neotic.hack.se) |
| 22:38.06 | *** join/#debian bvs_ (n=dpkg@unaffiliated/bvs) |
| 22:38.23 | soop | edlowan: problem with that is I'd like multiple logins vs one client connected to the current session |
| 22:38.31 | soop | sorry for the delay work cha' know |
| 22:38.38 | soop | eldowan: |
| 22:38.41 | manzneri | what time is it |
| 22:38.46 | *** join/#debian MrKeuner (n=kudo@unaffiliated/mrkeuner) |
| 22:38.47 | Braindead | time to die |
| 22:38.58 | Braindead | manzneri: install ntpdate,it will help ya |
| 22:39.12 | soop | or /time |
| 22:39.18 | manzneri | nah, i just wake up |
| 22:39.34 | manzneri | i had fallen asleep over my keyboard :D |
| 22:39.55 | MrKeuner | go free software! I love you people. Keep up the good work defending freedom. |
| 22:40.51 | syntaxis | MrKeuner: you want #debian-devel |
| 22:41.34 | MrKeuner | syntaxis: No, I love this community as a whole including its users |
| 22:42.11 | Vilmar | any new ideas? maybe I should switch to a former version, 2.6.8 maybe (I believe it worked without problems when I used it last time) |
| 22:42.29 | stew | Vilmar: the debian 2.6.18 kernels definately have CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX |
| 22:42.39 | syntaxis | MrKeuner: I think you'll find that the average user does little to defend freedom |
| 22:42.55 | stew | Vilmar: where did you get the kernel source you are trying to compile? |
| 22:43.27 | *** join/#debian Meztli-xictli (n=Meztli-x@red-corp-201.143.211.249.telnor.net) |
| 22:43.34 | Vilmar | hm |
| 22:44.23 | MrKeuner | syntaxis: i don't think that's true. Free software gains more than you might imagine only due to its users. |
| 22:44.46 | *** join/#debian Xenguy (n=gnu@206-248-151-3.dsl.ncf.ca) |
| 22:44.47 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 22:45.03 | Vilmar | kernel.org |
| 22:47.32 | Vilmar | grep PIIX .config outputs only what I told you |
| 22:47.38 | syntaxis | MrKeuner: lol - personally, I think it's akin to grabbing a beggar man walking around outside the Senate building and thanking him for upholding democracy, but I guess we'll have to agree to differ |
| 22:47.41 | *** part/#debian Meztli-xictli (n=Meztli-x@red-corp-201.143.211.249.telnor.net) |
| 22:47.53 | Vilmar | maybe I could simply add that line? |
| 22:48.38 | h3sp4wn | Vilmar: Are you building with make-kpkg ? (I think on sarge you would need to make it build with gcc-3.4) |
| 22:48.56 | MrKeuner | syntaxis: Your analogy is correct I'd say |
| 22:49.31 | Vilmar | yes, and I'm pretty sure I have the latest software |
| 22:49.31 | MrKeuner | syntaxis: thinks of beggars not upholding democracy |
| 22:49.38 | *** join/#debian D-Line (n=uNix@88.240.19.60) |
| 22:49.48 | MrKeuner | syntaxis: s/thinks/think |
| 22:49.57 | h3sp4wn | Vilmar: You will not build with gcc-3.4 unless it is specified explicitly |
| 22:50.22 | h3sp4wn | Vilmar: Install gcc-3.4 and export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4 prior to building |
| 22:50.45 | stew | Vilmar: kernel.org 2.6.18 also has CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX |
| 22:50.57 | *** join/#debian Meztli-xictli (n=Meztli-x@red-corp-201.143.211.249.telnor.net) |
| 22:51.43 | Vilmar | maybe xconfig is somehow obsolete and provides me with incomplete .config? |
| 22:51.52 | stew | Vilmar: and i have /usr/src/linux-2.6.18/drivers/ide/pci/piix.ko which is vanilla kernel.org source that i compiled yesterday |
| 22:53.04 | Vilmar | well, I don't have .ko, but I do have .c |
| 22:53.26 | *** join/#debian OleMoudi (n=TK422@137.Red-83-50-225.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) |
| 22:53.54 | *** join/#debian colde (n=colde@dialin-145-254-164-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 22:54.03 | h3sp4wn | Vilmar: did you build --initrd kernel_image modules_image (as a minimum) |
| 22:54.26 | stew | h3sp4wn: he's not buildng an initrd kernel |
| 22:54.51 | Vilmar | I tried that, but I receive a different error, so... |
| 22:55.27 | *** part/#debian Meztli-xictli (n=Meztli-x@red-corp-201.143.211.249.telnor.net) |
| 22:56.06 | Vilmar | I repeat my question: is adding CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX=y to my .config file worth trying? |
| 22:57.12 | siriusnova_ | heh debian is getting flamed on ./ |
| 22:57.16 | siriusnova_ | oops wrong channel |
| 22:57.16 | *** join/#debian gasbag (n=gasbag@66-189-90-186.dhcp.oxfr.ma.charter.com) |
| 22:57.18 | siriusnova_ | :X |
| 22:57.52 | *** join/#debian tobstar (n=tobstar@p5084116E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 22:58.20 | *** join/#debian DimmuR (n=DimmuR@ebw41.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 22:58.51 | liable | must be slow, that argument has been subject of several stories |
| 22:59.25 | dondelelcaro | what's sad is that it's not even an argument |
| 22:59.46 | dondelelcaro | mozilla said we can't use the firefox name and do what we want to do, so we're not. |
| 22:59.48 | liable | yep |
| 23:00.01 | siriusnova_ | why not just move firefox to non-free |
| 23:00.04 | siriusnova_ | and get over with it |
| 23:00.16 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: feel free to package it yourself. |
| 23:00.17 | siriusnova_ | instead debian is making a big fiasco and hurting linux users |
| 23:00.23 | liable | bah |
| 23:00.37 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: uh... no one in Debian is making a fiasco about it at all |
| 23:00.46 | *** join/#debian lage (n=lage@20150025141.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 23:00.50 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: the entirety of the Debian discussion has occured in a single bug log |
| 23:00.53 | siriusnova_ | dondelcaro - the fiasco is that debian made it an issue in the first place |
| 23:01.16 | *** join/#debian dererk (n=dash@unaffiliated/dererk) |
| 23:01.17 | EdLin | Debian ignored the "bug report" from mozilla about their trademark for a couple of years, they came back with threats, so Debian was forced to do it. |
| 23:01.26 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: we didn't make it an issue; we can't distribute the logo, and because of that mozilla doesn't want us to use the trademark. |
| 23:01.46 | siriusnova_ | debian should have just moved firefox to non-free except they come up with a childish play on the name "Firefox" and calling it "iceweasel" and in general it fragments the one decent browser in Linux land |
| 23:01.53 | dondelelcaro | EdLin: we didn't actually ignore it; we had an agreement with Gervase Markham, and then when the current bug was reported, it took a while for the reporter to follow up. |
| 23:02.01 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: the maintainer isn't interested in having the browser in non-free. |
| 23:02.10 | siriusnova_ | dondelelcaro - then maybe its his arrogance? |
| 23:02.13 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: if you want to have firefox as is in non-free, you can package it yourself. |
| 23:02.26 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: no, it's the fact that the maintainer doesn't want to maintain a browser which is in non-free. |
| 23:02.37 | *** join/#debian Dwonis (n=dwon@nat.dlitz.net) |
| 23:02.41 | *** part/#debian lage (n=lage@20150025141.user.veloxzone.com.br) |
| 23:02.55 | *** join/#debian bun-bun (n=dem@dialup-4.253.69.171.Dial1.Dallas1.Level3.net) |
| 23:03.07 | dondelelcaro | (and if he did, I or another Debian developer would have packaged a version of firefox not using the firefox name in main anyway.) |
| 23:03.21 | siriusnova_ | the moment debian and gnu philosophy became a religion and more about the actual software its a problem |
| 23:03.23 | siriusnova_ | bah |
| 23:03.32 | liable | siriusnova_: why do you have to continue to go on about this? you were here the other day babbling about it. and i am doubtfull you even use debian |
| 23:04.01 | diskus | just use ubuntu if you don't like "religion" |
| 23:04.05 | siriusnova_ | i used to and i left because this is the kind of stuff i didnt want to deal with, zealots in arms over a simple trademark issue |
| 23:04.12 | siriusnova_ | and now debian is hurting Linux users |
| 23:04.18 | diskus | how? |
| 23:04.19 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: eh? we're quite definetly about the software. In fact, we're so much about the software that we don't want to give away our rights to modify it |
| 23:04.21 | siriusnova_ | because of their philosophical viewpoint |
| 23:04.22 | diskus | didn't hurt me |
| 23:04.27 | liable | omfg think of the children! |
| 23:04.39 | azeem | siriusnova_: Debian didn't change |
| 23:04.42 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: if you don't like Debian's social contract, you're free to ignore Debian. |
| 23:04.52 | azeem | it's been like this since it started |
| 23:05.01 | siriusnova_ | diskus - its fragmenting the one decent browser for Linux and now were going to have 10 different forks of firefox with different plugins and problems with each |
| 23:05.20 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: we already have multiple browsers for linux |
| 23:05.27 | liable | well, you wont have the problem, because you dont use debian... |
| 23:05.27 | diskus | siriusnova_: maybe it's mozilla who does that?-) |
| 23:05.34 | h3sp4wn | siriusnova_: So just use binaries from mozilla.org then in /opt - problem solved and you get the official firefox |
| 23:05.40 | dondelelcaro | and in any event, it's not currently framented anyway; all that's happening is the name has been changed. |
| 23:05.41 | siriusnova_ | dondelelcaro - and the only decent out of them is firefox that is crossplatform and works flawlessly with extensions |
| 23:05.54 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: uh... we're talking about Linux here |
| 23:06.01 | eldowan | soop: you want shared connections? If I remember correctly vnc on debian will allow many concurrent connections each using their own session. |
| 23:06.07 | dondelelcaro | (and yes, w3m, links, and lynx are quite definetly cross platform) |
| 23:06.14 | siriusnova_ | Firefox is the one browser that has microsoft quaking in their boots and off zealots go having arguments and forking |
| 23:06.20 | siriusnova_ | :/ |
| 23:06.25 | syntaxis | siriusnova_: rubbish, there's Opera as well |
| 23:06.26 | azeem | siriusnova_: it's still firefox |
| 23:06.35 | azeem | siriusnova_: it's just not the brand |
| 23:06.36 | siriusnova_ | except its not azeem |
| 23:06.45 | dondelelcaro | siriusnova_: that argument is rather bogus; and in any event, we could care less about Microsoft. |
| 23:06.50 | h3sp4wn | siriusnova_: Hopefully microsoft will win back some of the stupid users with vista |
| 23:07.09 | liable | why would microsoft care about the linux version? firefox is only making an impact for them with the windows version |
| 23:07.12 | dondelelcaro | users are free to use whatever they want. |
| 23:07.42 | Guerin | and opera has nobody quaking in their boots |
| 23:07.53 | *** join/#debian vithos (n=vithos@ip70-178-211-66.ks.ks.cox.net) |
| 23:07.55 | dondelelcaro | Guerin: unless there's an earthquake... |
| 23:08.03 | wols_ | Guerin: what about the opera CEO? |
| 23:08.03 | diskus | and I bet new Linux users choose someting like Ubuntu or Fedora Core, so I don't see any problem in not having firefox at all in Debian |
| 23:08.04 | vithos | iLLf8d: no problem, i agree, that guy was tripping |
| 23:08.11 | CHodapp | Opera is still a good browser, and definitely faster and lighter than Firefox |
| 23:08.15 | Guerin | wols_: shareholders maybe |
| 23:08.26 | wols_ | those too |
| 23:08.32 | syntaxis | Guerin: it depends on the market segment - Firefox isn't very well suited to the embedded/mobile space |
| 23:09.03 | Guerin | syntaxis: that fraction of a % of the market, potentially the only market share smaller than the free software market share |
| 23:09.20 | *** join/#debian Ryushin (i=proxy@windwalker.openinnovations.com) |
| 23:09.23 | wols_ | Guerin: you're wrong there |
| 23:09.30 | h3sp4wn | However the embedded/mobile space are the only people who actually pay money for the browsers |
| 23:09.30 | iLLf8d | vithos, yeah and his jerkyboy fellow ops backed him up being a jerk |
| 23:09.31 | wols_ | smartphones are pervasive |
| 23:09.44 | Lamperi | Öit :) |
| 23:09.44 | syntaxis | Guerin: the number of people accessing the web via their mobile phones is fairly large, actually, and growing quickly |
| 23:09.48 | iLLf8d | vithos, nothing like staying impartial |
| 23:09.53 | wols_ | and as h3sp4wn said: they actually pay money to have a browser |
| 23:10.58 | Guerin | in terms of site hits - that being total usage, not number of deployments - I'm prepared to guarantee it's smaller than free software |
| 23:11.26 | vithos | iLLf8d: heh yeah. i wonder if i'd be having these problems with debian instead of ubuntu anyway. i've already been wishing i had used debian because of other problems i've run into |
| 23:11.53 | vithos | doesn't seem like anyone else is going to help me in the ubuntu channel anyway. i'll just do a deb install and come here if i run into the same problem :) |
| 23:11.56 | iLLf8d | I'm running debian on this box works fine they both have issues at times you'll find different issues with each dist |
| 23:12.17 | syntaxis | Guerin: no idea... anyway, that's rather beside the point, which was that Firefox isn't the only browser that's a viable competitor to IE |
| 23:12.53 | wols_ | Guerin: I'm not sure, but hits are irrelevant. every browser that ships on a phone is already bought and paid for |
| 23:13.01 | iLLf8d | vithos, I try alot of other dists but almost always end up running debian |
| 23:13.07 | syntaxis | Guerin: and I'm not sure why the number of site hits would be a better metric than the number of deployments, especially if Opera gets revenue per copy |
| 23:13.08 | wols_ | opera gets its money by selling a browser, not generating hits on websites |
| 23:13.20 | Guerin | oh, you're talking about licenses |
| 23:13.21 | iLLf8d | vithos, but I've been using it for a while and am comfortable with it |
| 23:13.34 | *** join/#debian Wyzard (n=mike@c-68-46-30-103.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 23:13.50 | iLLf8d | vithos, if you're new to linux you may wanna stick with what you have installed cause you've obviously got alot of it going |
| 23:13.57 | vithos | iLLf8d: debian's always been my favorite. actually the only reason i'm running ubuntu is i thought i was going to use X and it was going to be easier repository-wise, but now i'm not going to be running X on that machine anyway |
| 23:14.12 | *** join/#debian zophyx (n=Emile@pdpc/supporter/student/zophyx) |
| 23:14.13 | *** join/#debian magyar (n=ondrish@206-248-163-45.dsl.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:14.29 | iLLf8d | vithos, how long you been running nixes? |
| 23:15.05 | dondelelcaro | vithos: it'd actually be pretty easy to just run etch if you needed xorg, too. |
| 23:15.13 | vithos | iLLf8d: i've used shells for years, and i've occasionally had local machines running linux off and on for a couple of years too. i just don't know as much as i need to yet |
| 23:15.14 | iLLf8d | the only neat thing about unbuntu I've found so far is the fbsplash stuff the rest doesn't really matter |
| 23:15.30 | Guerin | are you saying fbsplash actually matters? |
| 23:15.41 | iLLf8d | I've found the community to be pretty dim as a whole but there are a few that know what they're doing |
| 23:15.46 | eldowan | I havent had any *real* issues with etch :) |
| 23:16.25 | iLLf8d | vithos, install deb and move your service confs over and save a skel |
| 23:16.25 | manzneri | hmm |
| 23:16.41 | manzneri | how do i know does my secondary ethernet card really work ;E |
| 23:16.57 | *** join/#debian nn-laptop (n=knoppix@pool-70-16-156-229.phil.east.verizon.net) |
| 23:17.00 | h3sp4wn | manzneri: ifconfig -a (should appear in that) |
| 23:17.13 | manzneri | let's check it out soon.. |
| 23:17.21 | vithos | only problem i've had with etch is having to google to find out i needed to boot with "install libata.atapi_enabled=true" or some-such for my sATA optical drive |
| 23:17.22 | iLLf8d | ubu just annoys me alot but most oses do, debian the least it seems =) |
| 23:17.52 | iLLf8d | vithos, yeah its in the installer errata (you kinda should read those when you download the installer iso) |
| 23:17.53 | vithos | err.. that and also X wouldn't run on etch in vmware by default |
| 23:18.12 | iLLf8d | they're usually short and pertinent (especially in this case) |
| 23:18.12 | Guerin | bah, vmware |
| 23:18.24 | Guerin | errors in vmware don't count |
| 23:18.28 | vithos | iLLf8d: i'll make sure i do next time around |
| 23:18.49 | iLLf8d | vithos, it should be made into a braindead link (ie blink or something) |
| 23:19.17 | iLLf8d | the little errata link is easy to miss in the paragraph if you're scrolling the window quick to find an iso |
| 23:19.31 | vithos | i wouldn't use vmware if i could get a decent debian install in colinux, but i never did manage to get the installer working in that |
| 23:19.40 | manzneri | h3sp4wn: ifconfig -a gives me lo, eth0, eth1 |
| 23:19.58 | *** part/#debian MrKeuner (n=kudo@unaffiliated/mrkeuner) |
| 23:19.59 | manzneri | but i have also eth2 card in my computer - is it broken? |
| 23:20.01 | Guerin | wtf |
| 23:20.15 | Guerin | vithos: why not just install it as it's intended to be installed? |
| 23:20.27 | vithos | oh, i'm pretty sure i read the notice about the errata, just ignored it :P maybe if the text was brighter red, bigger, and blinking |
| 23:20.31 | Guerin | manzneri: does it show in lspci |
| 23:20.32 | Guerin | ? |
| 23:20.47 | manzneri | hmm yes it does |
| 23:20.54 | *** join/#debian Award (n=jpdp@core-philly-4-64.dynamic-dialup.coretel.net) |
| 23:20.54 | h3sp4wn | vithos: there are prebuild debian images for colinux |
| 23:20.57 | manzneri | i'm really a noobie :( |
| 23:21.12 | Guerin | manzneri: try to bring it up manually with ifconfig eth2 up ip.add.re.ss |
| 23:21.29 | vithos | Guerin: i am about to, on a headless machine. i'd just like to run debian locally for use from windows as well |
| 23:21.35 | manzneri | it says unknown device, already tried that |
| 23:21.35 | Award | Ok, I'm getting a bit farther (or less far) with my bootup issue. Those who have seen before, I've been having problems booting a sarge CD though hamm boots fine. |
| 23:21.38 | *** join/#debian Bry2k200 (n=Bry2k200@S0106001310688e48.wp.shawcable.net) |
| 23:21.54 | Award | As of today, my hamm disc stopped booting too...similar error to with sarge now, even though it used to wokr. |
| 23:21.54 | Award | work |
| 23:22.04 | Award | The 2.88mb image may have been causing one layer of problem. |
| 23:22.09 | manzneri | or, no such device, to be exact |
| 23:22.12 | Vilmar | enabling CONFIG_BLK_DEV_PIIX didn't solve the problem, I'm losing hope here :) |
| 23:22.24 | vithos | h3sp4wn: yeah, and i've used that debian image, but it's pretty old and some things seemed strange. and i was scared of cruft from doing a dist-upgrade |
| 23:22.25 | eeyore- | Vilmar: what is the problem? |
| 23:22.25 | Guerin | manzneri: do you have the kernel module loaded? |
| 23:22.37 | manzneri | hmm? :) |
| 23:22.44 | Award | But now I'm getting "FD 1.44 System Type-(00)" when it tries to boot from the CD....though it does spin the CD drive up (I've tried two drives, same results for both) |
| 23:22.49 | *** join/#debian dao (n=dao@229-133.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net) |
| 23:22.54 | *** join/#debian mrsniff (n=mrsniff@61.82.96.12) |
| 23:23.00 | Vilmar | eeyore-: kernel panic: could not find the root device (or sth like this) |
| 23:23.02 | Award | Any idea what (hardware wise) could be causing this mysteriously creeping issue? |
| 23:23.13 | Guerin | manzneri: google the model name and number and find out what kernel module it needs, then run lsmod and check to see if that module is loaded |
| 23:23.18 | Vilmar | eeyore-: when upgrading to kernel 2.6.18 |
| 23:23.25 | Vilmar | from 2.4.x |
| 23:23.27 | Guerin | manzneri: if not, try loading it with modprobe <modulename> |
| 23:23.43 | manzneri | thanks..i'll try that |
| 23:23.46 | Guerin | vithos: you built your kernel wrong. |
| 23:23.55 | Guerin | Vilmar: you built your kernel wrong. |
| 23:23.58 | Guerin | Vilmar: sorry |
| 23:24.03 | Guerin | meh |
| 23:24.08 | Guerin | vithos: sorry |
| 23:24.16 | *** join/#debian Covener (n=covener@cpe-024-211-148-158.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 23:24.23 | vithos | lol :) had me confused for a moment "but i didn't build any kernel!" |
| 23:24.24 | eeyore- | Vilmar: that's usualy no support for controller where boot device is attached |
| 23:24.33 | *** join/#debian Firestarter (n=Firestar@cpe-74-70-76-50.nycap.res.rr.com) |
| 23:24.33 | Vilmar | I have heard that already, but it doesn't solve the problem |
| 23:24.41 | eeyore- | Vilmar: then you didn't do it correctly |
| 23:24.50 | Guerin | Vilmar: it would, if you built your kernel with the right shit in it |
| 23:25.16 | eeyore- | Vilmar: or, you might have built the kernel, but didn't actually boot it |
| 23:25.33 | eeyore- | Vilmar: bottom line, it will work if you did everything correctly |
| 23:27.24 | h3sp4wn | afaik you need to force gcc-3.4 (for above 2.6.16) |
| 23:27.46 | dererk | PLOP - http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/15735159.htm |
| 23:28.24 | Vilmar | h3sp4wn: how do I do that? I can install it, but I don't understand what you mean "to force" |
| 23:28.35 | eeyore- | h3sp4wn: don't think so. i use gcc 4.1 for gentoo |
| 23:28.53 | eeyore- | h3sp4wn: hasn't done anything bad to the kernel, yet :-) |
| 23:29.04 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: He is running sarge which uses 3.3 by default |
| 23:29.24 | *** join/#debian bigflop (n=blueflop@h-67-102-1-249.nycmny83.dynamic.covad.net) |
| 23:29.27 | bigflop | hi |
| 23:29.49 | Vilmar | hi |
| 23:29.59 | h3sp4wn | eeyore-: Anything 3.4 and above will work (but I think he just made his config wrong anyway) |
| 23:30.01 | bigflop | how may I install something on older system that don't support freaking cd's? |
| 23:30.13 | liable | floppy? |
| 23:30.13 | bigflop | what kinda floppy distro exists in order to do this? |
| 23:30.19 | *** join/#debian silly_girl22 (n=chris@64-238-154-163.block1.gvtc.com) |
| 23:30.33 | liable | bigflop: debian has install floppies, as do quite a few others |
| 23:30.44 | *** join/#debian macr0 (n=macr0@adsl-074-229-244-187.sip.bhm.bellsouth.net) |
| 23:30.50 | liable | bigflop: but you need a network connection too |
| 23:31.08 | iLLf8d | bigflop, it doesn't support cds or you just don't have one in there? |
| 23:31.21 | iLLf8d | bigflop, its usually easier just to move over a cdrom drive for the install |
| 23:31.26 | *** part/#debian siriusnova_ (i=siriusno@rc18acs206.ddns.umr.edu) |
| 23:31.43 | iLLf8d | bigflop, floppies work tho too |
| 23:32.12 | macr0 | How do I tell a configure script to look in a special place for dependancy files? The program I am compiling needs zlib. I downloaded zlib and installed it in ~/sys. Now I have to tell the program that needs zlib where to find it. |
| 23:32.50 | bigflop | illf8d the bios DOES NOT have a cd boot option |
| 23:32.59 | eldowan | macr0: why not place zlib in ~/bin ? |
| 23:33.45 | macr0 | eldowan: Would that make any difference? It's looking for zlib.h, I did ./configure --prefix=~/sys |
| 23:34.00 | dondelelcaro | macr0: just install zlib-dev |
| 23:34.05 | macr0 | I don't have root. |
| 23:34.31 | dondelelcaro | macr0: then you need to set CFLAGS="-I/home/foo/sys" or similar |
| 23:34.34 | *** join/#debian theblue (n=theblue@pool-72-83-124-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:34.44 | theblue | What is the channel for DebianMed? |
| 23:34.55 | Ronin | debianmed? |
| 23:35.03 | dondelelcaro | macr0: there are often config options too, like --path-to-zlib=~/sys or whatever. |
| 23:35.03 | theblue | Yes. |
| 23:35.09 | *** join/#debian n3kl (n=n3kl@207-224-52-98.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 23:35.10 | wols_ | debian based distros multiply faster than rabbits |
| 23:35.14 | dondelelcaro | macr0: ./configure --help; will tell you about them |
| 23:35.16 | Guerin | theblue: if #debianmed doesn't exist, try emailing the people who run that show |
| 23:35.16 | Ronin | theblue: what is debianmed |
| 23:35.19 | dondelelcaro | wols_: it's actually a debian project |
| 23:35.19 | wols_ | everyday there is anew one |
| 23:35.27 | dondelelcaro | s/project/sub-&/ |
| 23:35.27 | theblue | Guerin: Ok, thank you. |
| 23:35.28 | Ronin | dondelelcaro: another one? |
| 23:35.33 | wols_ | dondelelcaro: project, distros, whatever |
| 23:35.52 | dondelelcaro | Ronin: there are quite a few Debian sub-projects, actually |
| 23:35.52 | macr0 | dondelelcaro: thanks. I'm giving it a try. |
| 23:35.59 | *** part/#debian theblue (n=theblue@pool-72-83-124-196.washdc.fios.verizon.net) |
| 23:36.48 | macr0 | dondelelcaro: Is this the right form? ./configure --prefix=/home/foo/sys CFLAGs="-l/home/foo/sys" |
| 23:36.55 | dondelelcaro | macr0: no. |
| 23:36.55 | Guerin | Ronin: the sub-projects are often run in pretty close collaboration with DDs |
| 23:37.07 | dondelelcaro | macr0: --prefix sets the prefix where things will be installed, not where the include files are. |
| 23:37.09 | Guerin | Ronin: some of them provide employment to them, stuff like that |
| 23:37.19 | macr0 | dondelelcaro: I know |
| 23:37.32 | *** join/#debian evanpro_ (n=evan@207.134.56.158) |
| 23:37.46 | dondelelcaro | macr0: CFLAGS is a makefile variable which generally takes makefiles to use the proper directory; whetherh it works or not depends on the Makefile. |
| 23:39.16 | Cooner750 | I cant figure out this wireless config deal |
| 23:39.30 | *** join/#debian vlt (n=daniel@dslb-088-073-246-149.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:39.53 | eeyore- | macr0: -lfoo = link with libfoo.a or libfoo.so |
| 23:39.56 | Cooner750 | It's sending DHCPDISCOVER to 255.255.255.255, that is not right, correct? |
| 23:40.32 | eeyore- | Cooner750: what's not right about it? |
| 23:40.47 | Cooner750 | It keeps repeating DHCPDISCOVER line and eventually quits |
| 23:41.04 | *** join/#debian khaije1 (n=khaije1@unaffiliated/khaije1) |
| 23:41.25 | eeyore- | Cooner750: well, are you sure your wireless AP is set to serve DHCP clients? |
| 23:41.36 | Cooner750 | Yea, should I turn off WEP and then try it? |
| 23:42.11 | Cooner750 | Let me turn off WEP and see what happens,b rb |
| 23:42.47 | *** join/#debian k-man__ (n=jason@ppp244-232.static.internode.on.net) |
| 23:43.04 | vlt | Hello. How can I set dnsmasq to offering IP addresses only to known (from /etc/ethers or --dhcp-host options) MAC addresses? If I omit the --dhcp-range option the dhcp server isn't working at all. When I define a range IP addresses are leased to unknown MACs, too, even though --dhcp-authoritative is not set. Any idea? |
| 23:43.06 | deadcat | i cant seem to ctrl alt Fx to switch to console from X. |
| 23:43.39 | bigflop | anyone know the channel for blueflops? |
| 23:43.48 | bigflop | how may I search for a channel on irc? |
| 23:44.00 | deadcat | bigflop: /list channelname |
| 23:44.20 | manzneri | beware not to set only /list |
| 23:44.22 | manzneri | ;) |
| 23:44.33 | deadcat | i have compiz running. but the border doesnt show.. i can do other stuff, but no borders. gtk-window-decorator is running |
| 23:44.41 | bigflop | it doesn't find it |
| 23:45.20 | eeyore- | deadcat: did you use gconf-editor to load the proper plugins in the proper sequence? |
| 23:45.38 | *** join/#debian YoDude (i=IAintMar@pcat107.lib.uwm.edu) |
| 23:45.43 | deadcat | eeyore-: oh.. has to be proper sequence? |
| 23:45.57 | eeyore- | deadcat: last time i did it, yeah. it may have changed now. |
| 23:46.21 | deadcat | eeyore-: i have gtk-window-decorator --replace &; compiz.real --replace gconf --use-cow |
| 23:46.47 | eeyore- | deadcat: gconf,miniwin,decoration,transset,wobbly,fade,minimize,cube,rotate,zoom,scale,move,neg,resize,place,switcher,trailfocus,water |
| 23:46.47 | deadcat | eeyore-: and the thing is i didnt specify any plugins (scale, cube, ...) but yet they all functioning |
| 23:46.57 | *** join/#debian basbryan (n=bryan@c-68-53-226-195.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 23:46.58 | deadcat | eeyore-: in that order eh? |
| 23:47.09 | eeyore- | deadcat: that's what i see in the gentoo HOWTO page |
| 23:47.10 | YoDude | DSL rocks! |
| 23:47.41 | eeyore- | deadcat: btw, are you doing this with ati or nvidia? |
| 23:48.03 | deadcat | eeyore-: nvidia |
| 23:48.09 | eeyore- | deadcat: aiglx? |
| 23:48.14 | eeyore- | (just curious) |
| 23:48.22 | *** join/#debian n3kl_ (n=n3kl@207-224-52-98.hlrn.qwest.net) |
| 23:48.40 | eeyore- | deadcat: http://gentoo-wiki.com/Compiz |
| 23:48.52 | YoDude | Anybody read latest "Debian is dying" riffs? |
| 23:49.11 | eeyore- | YoDude: you mean it's not?!?!?! |
| 23:49.12 | deadcat | eeyore-: ya. aiglx and nvidia.. been reading that.. it doesnt really tell me how to run it without gnome/kde though |
| 23:49.39 | *** join/#debian dvs (n=colin@cwv.teksavvy.com) |
| 23:49.45 | eeyore- | deadcat: i haven't touched the transparency hack in a while, i might try it again with aiglx :-) too much hack for me last time |
| 23:50.04 | eeyore- | deadcat: what with different overlays and all, and stuff just mysteriously does not work ... ugh |
| 23:50.12 | YoDude | eeyore:not in my latest deployment! |
| 23:50.53 | *** join/#debian laptop_crash3m (n=crash3m_@unaffiliated/crash3m) |
| 23:50.58 | *** part/#debian laptop_crash3m (n=crash3m_@unaffiliated/crash3m) |
| 23:50.59 | eeyore- | deadcat: to run compiz in gnome, you just terminate your metacity, run compiz, save session |
| 23:51.27 | deadcat | eeyore-: i DONT want to use gnome/kde though. i just want to run cmopiz by itself |
| 23:51.54 | eeyore- | deadcat: oh, i see. well, you can run compiz by itself, sure. just don't run any other window manager ... |
| 23:52.17 | deadcat | eeyore-: ya. i tried that. it just wont show the window borders/decorators |
| 23:52.20 | eeyore- | deadcat: compiz *is* a window manager, so you can't e.g. run xfce4 window manager *and* compiz |
| 23:52.33 | *** join/#debian freemind (i=freemind@dslb-082-083-214-042.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 23:52.35 | *** join/#debian zamuro (n=dies_ira@190.37.0.171) |
| 23:52.48 | eeyore- | deadcat: did you use gconf-editor to edit the compiz thingie? |
| 23:52.53 | freemind | is someone running RAID5 ins premptive mode? |
| 23:53.03 | deadcat | eeyore-: like what options do i need to edit anyway? |
| 23:53.21 | YoDude | Got an old school laptop running WIN98?Take 1part 16-32MbRAM,add generous dose of DSL and give birth to a bouncing 1.5gig!!! |
| 23:53.25 | eeyore- | deadcat: run gconf-editor first :-) |
| 23:53.25 | *** part/#debian basbryan (n=bryan@c-68-53-226-195.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 23:53.46 | deadcat | eeyore-: k |
| 23:53.59 | *** join/#debian redguy (n=mati@afc167.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl) |
| 23:54.02 | *** join/#debian rapt501 (n=chessyma@cpe-66-108-59-75.nyc.res.rr.com) |
| 23:54.05 | rapt501 | hi |
| 23:54.37 | vlt | Hello. How can I set dnsmasq to offering IP addresses only to known (from /etc/ethers or --dhcp-host options) MAC addresses? If I omit the --dhcp-range option the dhcp server isn't working at all. When I define a range IP addresses are leased to unknown MACs, too, even though --dhcp-authoritative is not set. Any idea? --> Yes, RTFM. |
| 23:54.39 | vlt | --dhcp-range=[[net:]network-id,]<start-addr>,<end-addr>[[,<netmask>],<broadcast>][,<default lease time>] |
| 23:54.40 | vlt | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:54.41 | *** join/#debian n3wb13 (n=shadow@195.subnet201.astinet.telkom.net.id) |
| 23:54.51 | *** join/#debian Cooner750 (n=Cooner75@cpe-65-27-209-224.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 23:54.52 | Cooner750 | Well |
| 23:54.54 | Cooner750 | still no go |
| 23:54.56 | rapt501 | hi |
| 23:54.58 | vlt | (Works.) |
| 23:54.59 | eeyore- | deadcat: what do you see? |
| 23:55.00 | *** join/#debian Mnabil (n=Mnabil@82.201.178.19) |
| 23:55.06 | n3wb13 | lo |
| 23:55.09 | eeyore- | deadcat: look for applications -> compiz |
| 23:55.22 | deadcat | eeyore-: ya. bunch of stuff . general and plugins |
| 23:55.24 | Cooner750 | Been working over SSH, when I went upstairs there was message being repeated over and over about wlan0 could not bring up |
| 23:55.25 | n3wb13 | what focus today? |
| 23:55.36 | rapt501 | huh |
| 23:55.38 | eeyore- | deadcat: edit the "plugins" key for compiz, put the above sequence in |
| 23:55.52 | *** join/#debian dot_prime (n=tox@ool-182dfa0f.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 23:55.54 | *** join/#debian basbryan (n=bryan@c-68-53-226-195.hsd1.tn.comcast.net) |
| 23:56.05 | dvs | Cooner750: so it's a wireless problem? |
| 23:56.10 | deadcat | eeyore-: what above sequence? |
| 23:56.18 | rapt501 | who has a wireless problem |
| 23:56.21 | rapt501 | i have one |
| 23:56.21 | eeyore- | deadcat: gconf,miniwin,decoration,transset,wobbly,fade,minimize,cube,rotate,zoom,scale,move,neg,resize,place,switcher,trailfocus,water |
| 23:56.22 | rapt501 | lol |
| 23:56.29 | deadcat | eeyore-: ohhhhhhh |
| 23:56.33 | *** join/#debian OmnipotentEntity (n=omnipote@ip68-111-120-123.pn.at.cox.net) |
| 23:56.36 | *** join/#debian Cooner750_ (n=Cooner75@cpe-65-27-209-224.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 23:56.39 | Cooner750_ | Ok that was odd |
| 23:56.49 | Cooner750_ | Well, it was on channel 6 for some reason, the router |
| 23:56.51 | Cooner750_ | I set it to 1 |
| 23:56.57 | Cooner750_ | and WEP 64 bit is turned on |
| 23:57.03 | OmnipotentEntity | Is anyone else having problems with mplayer and vlc segfaulting? |
| 23:57.07 | rapt501 | Cooner750 did you set up wireless on your laptop |
| 23:57.09 | OmnipotentEntity | (Sid) |
| 23:57.10 | rapt501 | using debian? |
| 23:57.13 | dvs | Cooner750: don't use WEP. It isn't secure enough. |
| 23:57.34 | eeyore- | dvs: well, what's the alternative under linux? |
| 23:57.38 | Cooner750_ | rapt501: Desktop machine, ZyXEL ZyAir G-302v2 card with Texas Instruments ACX111, installed the drivers and the module DOES load and iwconfig does work |
| 23:57.41 | dvs | eeyore-: WPA |
| 23:57.48 | eeyore- | dvs: not well supported across all chipsets |
| 23:57.58 | Cooner750_ | After running modprobe firmware-class |
| 23:58.05 | Cooner750_ | and then the command to load the acx.ko module |
| 23:58.06 | *** join/#debian rbonnin (n=rbonnin@200.123.147.90) |
| 23:58.16 | Cooner750_ | Question |
| 23:58.19 | rbonnin | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:58.21 | dvs | eeyore-: If all I had was WEP, I wouldn't use it at all. |
| 23:58.30 | eeyore- | dvs: not an option :-) |
| 23:58.36 | *** join/#debian ivan_w (n=ivan_w@pdpc/supporter/monthlysilver/ivan-w) |
| 23:58.36 | tarzeau | rm |
| 23:58.38 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 23:58.39 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 23:58.39 | Cooner750_ | for "Access Point", should I enter the MAC of the router? Right now it's all 00:00:, etc.... |
| 23:58.50 | eeyore- | so layer VPN on top of WEP or something if you're paranoid |
| 23:59.15 | dvs | eeyore-: No, I'd just use WPA. ;-) |
| 23:59.32 | eeyore- | rbonnin: zip is not very resilient. if you've got a bad zip file, you've got a bad zip file |
| 23:59.42 | *** part/#debian ivan_w (n=ivan_w@pdpc/supporter/monthlysilver/ivan-w) |
| 23:59.45 | *** join/#debian honschu (n=honschu@p549EE8B2.dip.t-dialin.net) |
