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| 00:01.21 | sanabriamusic | no such file or dir |
| 00:01.27 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:01.37 | sanabriamusic | but with the carrot it gave me alot of characters |
| 00:01.42 | dvs | sanabriamusic: ls -l /dev/dsp |
| 00:02.16 | Shadowcat | dvs: what's he trying to do? |
| 00:02.19 | sanabriamusic | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 14, 3 2006-09-30 03:36 /dev/dsp |
| 00:02.26 | dvs | Shadowcat: get sound working. |
| 00:02.28 | h3sp4wn | ajt: apt-get install --reinstall -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confmiss -o DPkg::Options::=--force-confnew packagename (don't know the syntax for dpkg directly) |
| 00:02.31 | beered | I have two scsi drives. one is sda, but I can't figure out how to mount the other one. It's not sdb as I expected. any suggestions on how to mount it? |
| 00:02.40 | dvs | sanabriamusic: ls -l /dev/urandom |
| 00:02.43 | ajt | h3sp4wn: that'll owrk |
| 00:02.49 | Shadowcat | dvs: on what hardware? |
| 00:03.00 | Shadowcat | snd_intel8x0 sounds like a laptop to me |
| 00:03.00 | dvs | Shadowcat: a Pentium III laptop |
| 00:03.06 | Shadowcat | how did I know |
| 00:03.11 | sanabriamusic | cr--r--r-- 1 root root 1, 9 2006-09-30 02:33 /dev/urandom |
| 00:03.13 | dvs | Shachar: 'cause you good! |
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| 00:03.23 | Shadowcat | on something that old it should work out of the box |
| 00:03.23 | dvs | sanabriamusic: then you typed something wrong |
| 00:03.32 | Shadowcat | there's nothing wrong with the module |
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| 00:03.40 | coach | hi@all |
| 00:03.51 | dvs | sanabriamusic: oh wait a minute! |
| 00:03.57 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 00:03.57 | dvs | sanabriamusic: addgroup $(USER) audio |
| 00:04.05 | ajt | h3sp4wn: thanks a ton |
| 00:04.26 | coach | is there a chance for me to let gdesklets start after openbox when i logged in? |
| 00:04.36 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you'll probably have to do that as root |
| 00:04.49 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you do have a normal user, don't you? |
| 00:04.54 | beered | Is there an easy way to figure out drive letter of a unmounted drive (sda etc.)? |
| 00:05.07 | dvs | Shadowcat: I have a Pentium 4 motherboard and I use that audio driver. |
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| 00:05.15 | coach | beered, which kind of drive? |
| 00:05.31 | sanabriamusic | bash: USER: command not found |
| 00:05.31 | sanabriamusic | addgroup: The group `audio' already exists. |
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| 00:05.51 | beered | coach: SCSI. I have sda, and sdX. I expected sdX to be sdb, but it's not. |
| 00:05.58 | dvs | sanabriamusic: ok, so you're user is already part of the audio group |
| 00:06.14 | dvs | sanabriamusic: type "groups" and hit enter |
| 00:06.29 | coach | SCSI? i guess you can't just plug it in and out, can you? |
| 00:06.38 | sanabriamusic | it said root |
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| 00:06.44 | dvs | !root |
| 00:06.45 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
| 00:06.53 | beered | coach: no, I can't. :-) |
| 00:06.59 | coach | hmpf... |
| 00:07.09 | coach | my sda1 is my mp3-player^^ |
| 00:07.43 | dvs | sanabriamusic: but "cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp" should still work |
| 00:07.44 | beered | My SCSI drive is bigger then yours! |
| 00:07.47 | beered | :) |
| 00:07.58 | Shadowcat | beered: yes but I have a girlfriend |
| 00:08.00 | Shadowcat | so I 0wn you |
| 00:08.06 | beered | darnit. |
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| 00:08.26 | coach | beered, try lsmod|grep sd_mod |
| 00:08.33 | sanabriamusic | stood blank |
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| 00:08.43 | dvs | huh? |
| 00:08.50 | sanabriamusic | with no prompt |
| 00:08.55 | sanabriamusic | just flashing cursor |
| 00:09.02 | beered | coach: Okay. I see two line outputs. What now? |
| 00:09.04 | dvs | sanabriamusic: but you don't here anything? |
| 00:09.16 | sanabriamusic | let me see |
| 00:09.28 | coach | k, that means the modules for scsi-supports are loaded |
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| 00:09.38 | coach | beered, is it a cd-rom-drive? |
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| 00:10.19 | sanabriamusic | nah |
| 00:10.21 | beered | coach: Of course modules are loaded :) SDA is my boot drive and I'm logged in. That's a pretty good indicator that mod's are loaded :-) |
| 00:10.33 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Hit Ctrl-C to get your prompt back |
| 00:10.52 | coach | beered, i thought you were trying to mount a scsi-cdrom drive |
| 00:10.54 | beered | coach: no, it's a backup drive. |
| 00:11.12 | beered | coach: no, no. It's a backup drive. |
| 00:11.14 | sanabriamusic | ok its back |
| 00:11.17 | beered | Shadowcat: and it's huuge. |
| 00:11.30 | coach | beered, if it's your bootdrive, it should be mounted and/or in you fstab or not? |
| 00:11.50 | beered | coach: no, the second SCSI drive is not mounted and it's not my boot drive. |
| 00:11.58 | Shadowcat | beered: again, IRL beats virtual reality |
| 00:11.59 | beered | coach: It's a second drive that I can't mount. |
| 00:12.08 | coach | how is the fist mounted? |
| 00:12.17 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you do have a normal user right? |
| 00:12.19 | dvs | not root |
| 00:12.25 | sanabriamusic | am running alsaconf again |
| 00:12.26 | beered | Shadowcat: :) |
| 00:12.28 | sanabriamusic | yes |
| 00:12.30 | sanabriamusic | well |
| 00:12.37 | sanabriamusic | i am as root in the terminal |
| 00:12.49 | coach | beered, how is the first mounted? |
| 00:12.56 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you have X running? |
| 00:12.56 | beered | coach: it mounts trough fstab. |
| 00:13.05 | sanabriamusic | yeah....kde |
| 00:13.10 | beered | coach: e.g. /dev/sda3 / ext3 acl,user_xattr |
| 00:13.11 | coach | and what says cat /etc/fstab? |
| 00:13.14 | coach | kk |
| 00:13.34 | dvs | sanabriamusic: do you see "alsamixergui" in the Multimedia menu? |
| 00:13.36 | beered | coach: it's at /dev/sda1(2,3,4) |
| 00:13.44 | coach | have you tried 'mount /dev/sdb1 /mnt'? |
| 00:13.51 | coach | ... |
| 00:13.56 | coach | you're sure? |
| 00:14.03 | sanabriamusic | let me see |
| 00:14.18 | beered | coach: yes, I tried to mount sdb. mount: special device /dev/sdb1 does not exist |
| 00:14.24 | coach | beered, so you don't try to mount another drive, just another partition? |
| 00:14.41 | beered | coach: no, it's a separate drive. |
| 00:14.41 | sanabriamusic | no |
| 00:14.56 | sanabriamusic | under debian>sound either |
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| 00:15.02 | dvs | sanabriamusic: well, you probably have to add your normal user to the audio group first |
| 00:15.03 | coach | if it's a separate drive it should be sdb... |
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| 00:15.10 | sanabriamusic | how |
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| 00:15.17 | beered | coach: I see the light now... |
| 00:15.18 | coach | hmpf |
| 00:15.22 | beered | coach: I think I know what it is. |
| 00:15.29 | coach | waht? |
| 00:15.31 | dvs | sanabriamusic: addgroup <user> audio (where <user> is the user name of the normal user) |
| 00:15.40 | beered | coach: This drive isn't mounting because it's brand new and it's probably not initialized. |
| 00:15.59 | sanabriamusic | should i be as root in ther terminal as i do this? |
| 00:16.06 | coach | how can you initialize a drive? |
| 00:16.08 | dvs | sanabriamusic: yes |
| 00:16.12 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 00:16.18 | coach | beered, or do you mean formatted? |
| 00:16.25 | beered | coach: yes, formatted. |
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| 00:16.36 | coach | ah, that could be a reason^^ |
| 00:16.46 | coach | without a filesystem it's hard to mount^^ |
| 00:16.58 | beered | coach: yep :) |
| 00:17.04 | beered | coach: what's the easy way to do this? |
| 00:17.11 | sanabriamusic | addgroup sanabriamusic audio |
| 00:17.11 | sanabriamusic | The user `sanabriamusic' is already a member of `audio'. |
| 00:17.20 | dvs | that's good |
| 00:17.21 | coach | wow, dunno what tools you have |
| 00:17.27 | dvs | sanabriamusic: apt-get install alsamixergui |
| 00:17.30 | jetscreamer | mkfs comes to mind |
| 00:17.33 | jetscreamer | man mkfs |
| 00:17.43 | coach | beered, i formatted my hda last at the debian-installation^^ |
| 00:17.47 | jetscreamer | MaKeFileSystem |
| 00:17.48 | beered | coach: it's okay. I'll just use debian CD. |
| 00:17.53 | beered | coach: BRB |
| 00:17.53 | coach | ^^ |
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| 00:18.21 | sanabriamusic | ok it did it |
| 00:18.24 | coach | jetscreamer, ^^too late^^ |
| 00:18.53 | dvs | sanabriamusic: actually, is there a yellow wrench at the bottom of the screen? |
| 00:18.59 | coach | so, i came her cause i've got a problem too^^ |
| 00:19.03 | itchi | If i want to add some deb to the /etc/apt/sources.list Need i to do somethings apt adding that line to the source.list? He complain about Packages.gz: File not found |
| 00:19.12 | coach | i just want to start gdesklets after openbox |
| 00:19.19 | sanabriamusic | no |
| 00:19.21 | itchi | s/apt/appart/ |
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| 00:19.35 | jetscreamer | itchi yeah your line is probably bad |
| 00:19.42 | coach | but openbox & doesn't work |
| 00:20.01 | coach | and openbox ... gdesklet doesn't work |
| 00:20.03 | sanabriamusic | i have the alsamixergui listed in debian>sound |
| 00:20.17 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Click on "Control Center" from the main menu |
| 00:20.29 | dvs | from the "K" menu |
| 00:20.31 | itchi | jetscreamer: I think there was an need to do somethings to make that Pakcages.gz file?? My line is deb file:///home/david/debs ./ |
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| 00:20.46 | coach | is there a way to control it with sleep or something? |
| 00:21.06 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 00:21.10 | sanabriamusic | am there |
| 00:21.22 | jetscreamer | ah no idea itchi, never done my own repo |
| 00:21.33 | dvs | sanabriamusic: "Expand the sound & multimedia tree |
| 00:21.42 | jetscreamer | !entertain LoneWlf |
| 00:21.46 | dvs | sanabriamusic: then click on "sound system" |
| 00:21.51 | jetscreamer | !sing LoneWlf |
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| 00:22.04 | jetscreamer | !pal LoneWlf |
| 00:22.13 | LoneWlf | Saweeet |
| 00:22.13 | jetscreamer | damn bot |
| 00:22.34 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 00:22.35 | coach | jetscreamer, do you know how to start something after openbox started? |
| 00:22.53 | jetscreamer | run it in an xterm? |
| 00:22.54 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Hit the "Test Sound" button at the bottom of the window |
| 00:23.03 | jetscreamer | jsut type the command |
| 00:23.08 | coach | jetscreamer, because theres nothing like an autostart in openbox^^ |
| 00:23.11 | jetscreamer | i've not tried openbox |
| 00:23.13 | jetscreamer | ah |
| 00:23.19 | jetscreamer | that kind |
| 00:23.20 | sanabriamusic | nothing...but network sound is not check i did noticed that |
| 00:23.34 | dvs | sanabriamusic: you don't need that |
| 00:23.35 | EdLin | coach: have you tried right-clicking on the desktop? |
| 00:23.35 | jetscreamer | no not sure about openbox sorry |
| 00:23.38 | sanabriamusic | ok |
| 00:23.43 | coach | jetscreamer, i don't want to type it in my term...that the thing^^ |
| 00:23.48 | LoneWlf | openbox is the windows manager right? and you have to have it in your xinitrc... so... update your xinitrc to have an && otherprogram after the openbox command, and then, after openbox starts, it'll execute the other command |
| 00:23.50 | coach | EdLin, why should i? |
| 00:24.00 | dvs | sanabriamusic: I assume the "Enable the sound system" checkbox is checked |
| 00:24.00 | jetscreamer | autostart like everytime openbox starts? |
| 00:24.06 | sanabriamusic | yes |
| 00:24.09 | coach | jetscreamer, right |
| 00:24.12 | EdLin | coach: I just got here, what's your problem? |
| 00:24.13 | jetscreamer | or just how to run something like from a menu.. ah |
| 00:24.16 | jetscreamer | no idea |
| 00:24.20 | coach | jetscreamer, but AFTER openbox started |
| 00:24.41 | coach | EdLin, i want to start gdesklets AFTER my openbox started |
| 00:24.55 | EdLin | coach: add them to ~/.xsession |
| 00:25.22 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Click on the Hardware tab and tell me what the audio device says |
| 00:25.27 | coach | EdLin, but in my xsession is openbox, if i type openbox & instead it doesnt work |
| 00:25.37 | coach | and without the & it never reaches the command |
| 00:25.48 | EdLin | coach: put them before the openbox line |
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| 00:26.03 | coach | EdLin, but then the desklets are decorated |
| 00:26.04 | sanabriamusic | auto detect |
| 00:26.19 | EdLin | coach: maybe it only works with GNOME then |
| 00:26.26 | dvs | sanabriamusic: Select "Advanced Linux Sound Architecture" |
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| 00:26.38 | coach | EdLin, i don't think so, there must be a way |
| 00:26.41 | LoneWlf | move openbox to openbox.bin and create an openbox script that runs openbox and then gdesklets ;) |
| 00:26.55 | sanabriamusic | gave me an error message |
| 00:27.02 | sanabriamusic | the same as before |
| 00:27.11 | EdLin | coach: the desktop in GNOME is handled by Nautius... |
| 00:27.16 | dvs | sanabriamusic: What does it say? |
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| 00:27.31 | EdLin | LoneWlf: that doesn't sound like it would help |
| 00:27.44 | sanabriamusic | error initializing |
| 00:27.44 | coach | LoneWlf, but if i type 'openbox &' it doesn't work and with just openbox it never reaches the next command |
| 00:28.07 | sanabriamusic | Sound server informational message: |
| 00:28.07 | sanabriamusic | Error while initializing the sound driver: |
| 00:28.08 | sanabriamusic | device: default can't be opened for playback (No such file or directory) |
| 00:28.08 | sanabriamusic | The sound server will continue, using the null output device. |
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| 00:28.09 | coach | LoneWlf, i tried it already^^ |
| 00:28.14 | EdLin | coach: you use a & after gdesklets, then use "exec openbox" at the last line |
| 00:28.17 | sanabriamusic | buff |
| 00:28.36 | starling | Does anyone here burn DVD player style DVDs? What programs do you use? I don't see mjpegtools, or dvdstyler, or a number of things... |
| 00:28.42 | dvs | sanabriamusic: ls -l /dev/snd |
| 00:28.46 | coach | EdLin, then they're decorated...i think^^ |
| 00:28.51 | starling | In apt I mean. |
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| 00:28.58 | LoneWlf | is there an .openboxrc that gets created or a .boxrc or something? |
| 00:29.15 | LoneWlf | I'm thinking that openbox takes control as soon as it runs, so... you have to tell _it_ to start it and not X |
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| 00:29.35 | coach | LoneWlf, no, that's the prob, only a rc.xml, but it doesn't conatain something like an autostart |
| 00:30.00 | sanabriamusic | total 0 |
| 00:30.00 | sanabriamusic | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 0 2006-09-30 04:11 controlC0 |
| 00:30.00 | sanabriamusic | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 24 2006-09-30 04:11 pcmC0D0c |
| 00:30.01 | sanabriamusic | crw-rw---- 1 root audio 116, 16 2006-09-30 04:11 pcmC0D0p |
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| 00:30.21 | EdLin | !tell sanabriamusic about pasterbot |
| 00:30.28 | itchi | jetscreamer: There is an need to do 'dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages && gzip -9c Packages > Packages.gz' in the local deb reposition |
| 00:30.36 | dvs | Well, at least I know the files are there. |
| 00:30.44 | EdLin | oops, paster. |
| 00:30.54 | Kage` | Has nvz been around lately? |
| 00:31.16 | sanabriamusic | :( |
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| 00:31.38 | coach | hmpf, brb, i try EdLins way |
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| 00:32.09 | dvs | sanabriamusic: the only other thing I can think if is if you log out of X (i.e. NOT restart the computer) and log back in again. |
| 00:32.29 | sanabriamusic | ok |
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| 00:32.33 | sanabriamusic | i'll do that |
| 00:32.38 | sanabriamusic | thanks |
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| 00:32.42 | coach | re |
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| 00:32.53 | coach | it doesn't work, all desklets get decorated |
| 00:34.01 | LoneWlf | brb... |
| 00:34.16 | EdLin | coach: that's too bad, I'm not sure how to fix it, short of using Nautilus as your desktop displayer - but if you're loading that thing you might as well run GNOME. |
| 00:34.19 | LoneWlf | I have to try this out, but I'm thinking after reading the man page, that you can save a session and tell it to load that saved session |
| 00:35.14 | coach | lonewlf, but i'm using xdm |
| 00:35.56 | EdLin | coach: openbox supports the slit, ever thought of using windomaker applets as a substitute? |
| 00:36.18 | coach | EdLin, thats the thing...i just wanted the gnome panel too, but i would have had to download the whole gnome, so i searched for anothe panel^^ |
| 00:36.20 | EdLin | windowmaker* |
| 00:37.03 | EdLin | coach: I use fvwm-crystal now, it has a launcher and is light on resources. |
| 00:37.12 | EdLin | coach: it's a whole wm though |
| 00:37.22 | coach | EdLin, whats substitute?^^ |
| 00:37.26 | DennisTheTiger | Is there a relevant key to the unofficial repo for etch? |
| 00:37.37 | coach | i know xfce, but i don't like it |
| 00:37.50 | coach | oh, fvwm, sry^^ |
| 00:37.53 | h3sp4wn | DennisTheTiger: debian-multimedia ? |
| 00:37.56 | starling | fvwm... not good memories there. Does it still crash upon mapping windows, and not let you modify the title bar? |
| 00:38.12 | EdLin | starling: fvwm is just ugly by default, it really can be made to look like anything - including something as modern-looking as fvwm-crystal |
| 00:38.15 | DennisTheTiger | h3sp4wn: erm, no, I mean for the unofficial repo. YOu know, like where you get the skype packages from. |
| 00:38.24 | EdLin | starling: you must have used it a long time ago |
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| 00:38.28 | coach | i don't want whole dm's |
| 00:38.29 | starling | I like xfce. It just works. |
| 00:38.47 | EdLin | coach: fvwm is not a DM |
| 00:39.00 | hell-patrol | howto upgrade my kde (up-to date |
| 00:39.07 | EdLin | coach: it just includes modules that use a bit of its functionality |
| 00:39.11 | hell-patrol | +) |
| 00:39.15 | h3sp4wn | DennisTheTiger: Maybe (debian-multimedia is the most common unofficial repository) - no idea what it might be see the sites faq |
| 00:39.19 | coach | yes, i mean whole desktop-window-manager-pakage-stuff-thing^^ |
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| 00:39.38 | coach | like gnome |
| 00:39.52 | EdLin | coach: if you run gdesklets, you're loading most of GNOME's libraries anyway. |
| 00:40.11 | coach | EdLin, no, just a few, 2 or 3 |
| 00:40.30 | coach | and only the libs, not the whole apps |
| 00:40.31 | Halitherses | My trash can is empty but ~/.local/share/Trash/files contains 1.5GB. What are these file for? Why are they still on my system? Using etc and kde. |
| 00:40.38 | DennisTheTiger | h3sp4wn: Of course, the faq. =) Thanks. |
| 00:41.08 | coach | does anyone know an openbox channel? |
| 00:41.13 | starling | xfce is a group of programs that each do one kind of desktop management. There's the window manager, the toolbar, the panel, the desktop, the mcs-thingy... |
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| 00:41.22 | starling | coach: You might try #openbox |
| 00:41.29 | coach | on freenode? |
| 00:41.48 | DennisTheTiger | coach: Yeah, on openbox. |
| 00:41.55 | DennisTheTiger | or #openbox rather |
| 00:41.58 | starling | Cross between an elephant and a rhinocerous. |
| 00:42.07 | coach | yeah, i'm in^^ |
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| 00:42.36 | EdLin | coach: you can tell fvwm to not decorate a window in it's configuration file. |
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| 00:43.15 | coach | EdLin, i can tell ob too, but i can't save it |
| 00:43.16 | coach | ^^ |
| 00:43.39 | EdLin | coach: maybe check out #openbox then... |
| 00:44.18 | EdLin | brb |
| 00:44.57 | coach | EdLin, i realised that #openbox leads to ##unknown or something^^ |
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| 00:46.51 | EdLin | coach: apparently they've moved. Try oftc |
| 00:47.06 | coach | oftc? |
| 00:47.21 | EdLin | coach: irc.oftc.net |
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| 00:48.10 | Halitherses | anyone know what the ~/.local directory id for? |
| 00:48.16 | coach | ahhhh... |
| 00:52.02 | starling | Does anyone know how you purge all the packages that you've removed? |
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| 00:52.16 | jetscreamer | i forget who was asking about making a dvd earlier but i think here's how to do it from cli |
| 00:52.18 | jetscreamer | http://avidemux.sourceforge.net/doc/en/DVD/ |
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| 00:52.34 | h3sp4wn | starling: sudo aptitude purge \~c |
| 00:52.43 | starling | Thanks. |
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| 00:54.18 | dan2 | asg: ahoy |
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| 01:03.24 | coach | re... |
| 01:03.34 | coach | EdLin, what was the name of the server?^^ |
| 01:04.23 | coach | xctl or what? |
| 01:05.22 | EdLin | coach: oftc, and I don't know if it's moved there. Maybe you should check openbox's website to find out if not |
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| 01:05.51 | coach | no, it's there, i spoke with one of them and restarted x, so i forgot the name^^ |
| 01:07.02 | fluvvell | starling, you can also use apt-get autoclean |
| 01:07.22 | beered | ifconfig eth0 |
| 01:07.26 | beered | oops. sry. |
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| 01:07.59 | starling | I thought autoclean just cleared out .deb files from the cache. |
| 01:11.18 | h3sp4wn | starling: That is also what I thought |
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| 01:13.10 | lunaphyte_ | can i use a non-ia64 version on an amd opteron? |
| 01:15.07 | lunaphyte_ | oh... i guess i'm looking for amd64, not ia-64 |
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| 01:20.19 | silly_girl22 | firefox disabled the ssl protocol used by my isp's webmail, but i unchecked ssl 3.0 in the preferences of firefox. whats the deal? |
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| 01:22.00 | sjr | Anyone know a good digital circuit simulation software for linux |
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| 01:32.23 | Tm218 | i am currently looking at http://www.netdigix.com/downloads/debian-linksys-wireless-howto.txt and it is going to help me install my wireless card... The only problem is it is telling me to apt-get, and i cant apt-get if I am not on the internet |
| 01:32.41 | Tm218 | any solutions other than burning everything to cd that needs to be apt-getted and then compiling from source? |
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| 01:34.40 | sanxiyn | Hello! |
| 01:34.52 | sanxiyn | I wrote some code, and decided to write a new license for it. |
| 01:35.00 | sanxiyn | Can anyone have a look? |
| 01:35.28 | eth1r | Tm218: ? you can download the .deb files if you want |
| 01:35.40 | Duelist | Tm218: there is downloading the files manually and installing with dpkg |
| 01:36.25 | starling | sanxiyn: Is it compatible with one of the Creative Commons licenses? |
| 01:36.36 | sanxiyn | starling: I have no idea. |
| 01:36.43 | sanxiyn | Here is the full text: |
| 01:36.45 | sanxiyn | http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/temp/lowercased.html (in HTML) |
| 01:36.51 | sanxiyn | http://sparcs.kaist.ac.kr/~tinuviel/temp/lowercased (in plain text) |
| 01:37.17 | Duelist | you are almost certainly better off using either the BSD license, GPL, or LGPL |
| 01:37.33 | starling | Nah I don't think that'll work. Not enough uppercase letters. |
| 01:37.36 | sanxiyn | Duelist: Have a look. I have something new! |
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| 01:38.30 | sanxiyn | starling: Did you read the preamble? |
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| 01:39.42 | starling | I don't need to read anything if it's not in uppercase letters. |
| 01:39.56 | sanxiyn | Indeed... |
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| 01:40.11 | Duelist | this... is just silly |
| 01:40.30 | Duelist | sanxiyn: go to your shrink, tell him to up the dosage on your medication, it's not high enough. |
| 01:40.37 | sanxiyn | Duelist: Until now, I happily used MIT license for my codes. |
| 01:40.48 | sanxiyn | Duelist: And I decided I don't like it much after all. |
| 01:41.03 | sanxiyn | From now on, all my codes will be under this license! :-) |
| 01:42.21 | zOrK | can I use ntp instead zic? |
| 01:42.36 | starling | What's zic? |
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| 01:48.35 | Bhavesh | i did something stupid |
| 01:49.00 | zinx | starling: zoneinfo compiler as far as i know.. |
| 01:49.15 | Bhavesh | trying to compile mplayer having problem.. so i started uninstalling unecessary libs, and i decided to type apt-get -f install |
| 01:49.27 | Bhavesh | now apt is pretty much making my system back to square one |
| 01:49.30 | snake | How does debian play MP3 out of the box???... |
| 01:49.42 | Bhavesh | xmms |
| 01:49.47 | snake | I thought that was against copywrite law though? |
| 01:50.11 | eth1r | snake: I think its against copy law to encode into mp3, not to decode mp3 |
| 01:50.22 | eth1r | err |
| 01:50.26 | eth1r | copyright law |
| 01:50.32 | benjamindees | patent |
| 01:50.40 | Duelist | eth1r: patent law would be the problem, not copyright |
| 01:50.47 | snake | Ah yes, thats what I ment |
| 01:50.49 | snake | Patent |
| 01:50.52 | eth1r | ah this legal stuff |
| 01:50.53 | starling | those awful patents... |
| 01:50.55 | eth1r | gets me all conufsed |
| 01:51.05 | Duelist | and I think the MP3 patent has only been sporadically enforced, when Fraunhofer-IIS finds it in their best interest to do so |
| 01:51.08 | snake | But again, how is debian playing this mp3?? I havnt installed xmms or..anything yet |
| 01:51.18 | snake | Im on a fresh vanilla system |
| 01:51.23 | starling | eth1r: Use OGG/Vorbis if you want to be safe, and call Microsoft and demand to know why they don't support it by default. |
| 01:51.47 | snake | Not that im complaining, but this really just caught me off guard seeing as how much shit other distros take for including it |
| 01:51.48 | Bhavesh | brb i think i manage to some how convert my configured system to go back to a fresh install |
| 01:52.07 | Duelist | eth1r: it's easy enough to link to the DirectShow installer from ... damn I forget the domain |
| 01:52.18 | Duelist | do a search for "ogg codecs directshow" |
| 01:52.20 | Duelist | or something like that |
| 01:53.05 | starling | No clue. Also no Microsoft player seems to be able to handle MPEG-4 in my experience. Except VLC which nobody and their mother uses. |
| 01:53.13 | eth1r | how come all of the sudden I want to encode mp3s/oggs... this is bizarre |
| 01:53.52 | Duelist | I had absolutely no trouble getting Windows Media Player on a Windows XP (Home?) box to play Theora+Vorbis videos... time was when older WMPs would screw it up royally |
| 01:53.54 | starling | eth1r: I assume you have some sounds, and you want to compress them? |
| 01:54.01 | starling | That's usually the reason. |
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| 01:54.06 | snake | .....id really like to know how debian gets away with this... |
| 01:54.42 | eth1r | startling: lol I was just kidding... I was just answering to something snake said when suddenly you guys started this ogg conversation |
| 01:54.43 | snake | is my install just messed up?? |
| 01:55.13 | eth1r | snake: what did you mean by plays mp3 out the box then? which program is doing it? |
| 01:55.46 | snake | eth1r: as in I just installed etch via net install, updated and totem is magically playing my MP3s |
| 01:55.50 | snake | lol |
| 01:56.49 | eth1r | ah |
| 01:57.03 | snake | is it supposed to do this?? |
| 01:59.20 | eth1r | dunno, maybe it comes with its own codecs or something |
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| 02:00.32 | aFlag | does anyone know about a hp 12c simulator for linux? |
| 02:01.53 | Makenai | aFlag: Is that a calculator? |
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| 02:03.14 | aFlag | Makenai: yes |
| 02:04.28 | benjamindees | SanDisk claims their MP3 players don't violate any patents |
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| 02:05.37 | zinx | of course.. the Fraunhoffer/Thompson patent is about how to *encode* data, not about the format itself.. someone should have thought of this before.. |
| 02:05.59 | Duelist | zinx: so it does not in fact cover decoding? |
| 02:06.09 | zinx | Duelist: truthfully i have no idea :) |
| 02:06.32 | eth1r | isn't that what I said like 30 lines ago? |
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| 02:07.52 | eth1r | at the risk of sounding completly stupid... is there such a thing as a rca to coax adaptor? |
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| 02:08.37 | ChrisWhite | http://www.abccables.com/200-045.html |
| 02:08.38 | ChrisWhite | yup |
| 02:08.40 | zinx | eth1r: probably, but it's also probably not useful |
| 02:08.52 | eth1r | ChrisWhite: thanks |
| 02:08.52 | zinx | eth1r: you need a RF modulator |
| 02:09.05 | eth1r | hmm I figured it couldn't be that easy hehe |
| 02:09.11 | zinx | most likely anyway |
| 02:09.20 | ChrisWhite | anyone know a decent postfix guide for debian? |
| 02:09.23 | zinx | it would help to know the devices involved.. unless it's something special, you need an RF modulator |
| 02:09.26 | fernet | I have broken symlinks in /sbin et al left over from a purge of modutils. Are they neccessary for module-init-tools's diversion or is dpkg being dense? i.e. can I remove them by hand since apt/dpkg didn't? I won't ever need modutils. |
| 02:09.27 | ChrisWhite | setting it up is on my list of things to do today |
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| 02:09.48 | zinx | VCRs can do it, or you can pick one up at many many stores |
| 02:10.08 | zinx | major chain stores like Wal-Mart carry them here, and any TV/appliance store |
| 02:10.11 | eth1r | zinx oh damn you're genius I have one laying around, hadn't thought of that |
| 02:10.20 | zinx | eth1r: excellent |
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| 02:20.12 | eth1r | ChrisWhite: http://safari.oreilly.com/0596002122/postfix-PREFACE-2 maybe? |
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| 02:21.20 | benjamindees | http://www.audiompeg.com/us_patents.asp |
| 02:21.57 | jzxu | is there something wrong with the configuration dialogs of the package xserver-xorg? |
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| 02:23.06 | jzxu | I keep getting a screen half way through the configuration that says "A null value is not permitted in this field" |
| 02:23.16 | etzerd | Hello all |
| 02:23.21 | etzerd | ? |
| 02:23.59 | eth1r | hello |
| 02:24.13 | jetscreamer | yes there is, but that's a new one |
| 02:24.18 | jetscreamer | to me at least |
| 02:24.53 | jzxu | jetscreamer, any other way I can get xorg? I don't even want it to try to write the config files for me anyway |
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| 02:26.19 | jetscreamer | no idea cept hack on the install script. but anything that major isn't likely to just sit and be a bug, i'm sure (heh) it will be fixed soon. |
| 02:26.34 | jetscreamer | the heh was at my surety not anything else i typed |
| 02:26.49 | etzerd | how can I install the driver to play dvd |
| 02:27.16 | jetscreamer | it's not exactly like that |
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| 02:27.49 | jetscreamer | dvd's have a tendency to like udf filesystems. the udf module will autoload. but. |
| 02:27.53 | etzerd | is Debian has how to that can help in this process? |
| 02:28.33 | jetscreamer | you may need libdvdcss to beable to decode the dvd, and also you 'may' need additional codecs.. not to mention a dvd player, like xine-ui |
| 02:28.51 | jetscreamer | aka xiine |
| 02:28.54 | jetscreamer | xine rather |
| 02:29.01 | jetscreamer | for libdvdcss |
| 02:29.03 | jetscreamer | !marillat |
| 02:29.04 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 02:29.04 | fernet | etzerd, install libdvdread and chech /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/README.Debian |
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| 02:29.52 | benjamindees | http://www.crazysquirrel.com/computing/debian/decss.jspx |
| 02:29.59 | benjamindees | that looks like a valid howto |
| 02:30.00 | jetscreamer | if the dvd doesn't have any copy protection you won't need libdvdcss... but they usually do |
| 02:30.15 | jetscreamer | you can apt-get install xine && xine-check |
| 02:30.29 | jetscreamer | or xine-ui && xine-check |
| 02:34.02 | jzxu | heh, the configure script seems to loop the same dialogs infinitely as long as you don't give a set of answers that end with "A null entry is not permitted for this value." |
| 02:35.23 | benjamindees | anybody use the Java plugin with Opera? |
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| 02:37.43 | jdrake_ | Would there be any adverse affect of a debian-etch machine installing a kernel (2.6.18) compiled and packaged on an ubuntu dapper machine? (gcc 4.1.2 on debian, gcc 4.0.3 on ubuntu) |
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| 02:39.37 | Ronin | jdrake_: other then maybe breaking everything? |
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| 02:40.01 | fernet | jdrake_, if you recompile modules later on you'll get gcc version mismatch. |
| 02:40.17 | benjamindees | jdrake_, probably not if you know what you're doing |
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| 02:41.30 | Duelist | jdrake_: Ordinarily I'd say a kernel is a kernel |
| 02:41.53 | Duelist | for the longest time on Slackware and even on Red Hat I would use a kernel I compiled myself |
| 02:42.32 | EdLin | Duelist: he's not talking about that, he's talking about a kernel binary compiled on another system |
| 02:42.48 | Duelist | EdLin: even then in theory it should still work |
| 02:43.02 | Duelist | whether later on things will blow up spectacularly is another question entirely |
| 02:44.10 | jdrake_ | The problem is the destination system is a p2-266, where the whole thing takes probably 5 to 6 hours to compile a kernel. |
| 02:45.24 | fernet | jdrake_, your .config should matter more than dapper vs etch. |
| 02:45.32 | Duelist | jdrake_: I've done OpenBSD "make build" on slower boxes |
| 02:45.38 | eth1r | jdrake_ it probably should be fine as long as you dont use optimization flags for i686 or other |
| 02:45.42 | benjamindees | jdrake_, this is a kernel from Ubuntu or Debian? |
| 02:45.47 | jdrake_ | I don't know any way of finding out when the thing is going to be done |
| 02:45.53 | jdrake_ | This is a kernel from kernel.org |
| 02:45.58 | jdrake_ | Patched with ck |
| 02:46.16 | benjamindees | how was it 'packaged' ? |
| 02:46.34 | Duelist | jdrake_: make zImage && mail jdrake@otherhost maybe? |
| 02:46.43 | jdrake_ | source tar bz2, I am using make-pkg with it |
| 02:46.49 | jdrake_ | make-kpkg rather |
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| 02:47.18 | benjamindees | copy the config from a Debian kernel, make oldconfig and it'll work fine |
| 02:48.05 | Duelist | still it seems like a Debian chroot would be a better answer |
| 02:48.16 | jdrake_ | That would be interesting |
| 02:48.36 | benjamindees | why? just the compiler version? |
| 02:49.00 | Duelist | I don't see any reason why a bare-bones Debian install in a chroot wouldn't work |
| 02:49.27 | jdrake_ | I am still not completely decided on how I will configure the system in the final equation. I am not sure if rox or xfce would be better for speed |
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| 02:50.24 | fernet | pretend it's an iPaq and go fer matchbox. |
| 02:50.41 | EdLin | jdrake_: rox isn't a window manager |
| 02:50.58 | jdrake_ | EdLin, rox-desktop is the complete software setup I was thinking of |
| 02:51.20 | EdLin | jdrake_: that's not a window manager either, rox handles either the desktop or is a file manager. |
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| 02:51.26 | benjamindees | jdrake_, how much memory do you have? |
| 02:51.32 | jdrake_ | 192mb |
| 02:51.34 | jdrake_ | 10gb hd |
| 02:51.49 | jdrake_ | It is a laptop too, 1024x768 video |
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| 02:52.43 | jdrake_ | EdLin, oroborox is the window manager, then there is rox-session and then finally the rox file manager. |
| 02:53.04 | EdLin | jdrake_: none of those packages are in Debian |
| 02:53.09 | fernet | openbox is pretty slim. |
| 02:53.16 | jdrake_ | EdLin, ./configure; make; make install. |
| 02:53.22 | EdLin | !wayc |
| 02:53.23 | dpkg | i guess wayc is Why Are You Compiling (instead of using apt-get) |
| 02:53.27 | benjamindees | I like openbox, but 192 megs is enough for kde :) |
| 02:53.50 | jdrake_ | I am personally a gnome kind of guy, but even gnome would chug |
| 02:54.34 | EdLin | jdrake_: I'm currently using fvwm-crystal, but don't know how the (limited) transparency would perform on a p2 |
| 02:54.38 | fernet | I was just joking about matchbox, but I actuall have set it up on a laptop before. It's really cool if you're just using xterms. |
| 02:54.40 | iLLucionist | use evilwm |
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| 02:56.05 | EdLin | jdrake_: openbox or fluxbox might be good choices |
| 02:56.09 | jdrake_ | I would really like to see the performance of windows 3.1 on a 486 on this laptop. |
| 02:57.14 | EdLin | jdrake_: or openstep or OS/2 :-) |
| 02:57.49 | jdrake_ | I always liked the idea of gnustep but they don't seem to have a solid plan of development :p |
| 02:57.59 | benjamindees | jdrake_, heh, install Woody :) |
| 02:58.19 | jdrake_ | I have a wireless networking card to get working too |
| 02:58.33 | EdLin | jdrake_: ask tarzeau about GNUstep, he's one of the maintainers. It is pretty impressive, it supports a large part of the APIs now... |
| 02:59.07 | jzxu | what's the right way to get a precompiled 2.6 kernel? |
| 02:59.20 | benjamindees | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 02:59.29 | pipeline | jzxu: install kernel-image-2.6 or linux-image-2.6 |
| 02:59.44 | jdrake_ | EdLin, I have used gnustep in the recent past |
| 02:59.47 | iLLucionist | or get urself pizza |
| 02:59.48 | iLLucionist | i'm off |
| 02:59.57 | iLLucionist | bye everyone, thx tarzeau for debate |
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| 03:00.07 | EdLin | jdrake_: I think it's going through a transition now on etch and sid |
| 03:00.24 | EdLin | jdrake_: but that transition is nearing completion |
| 03:02.14 | jdrake_ | This looks promising: http://offload1.icculus.org/openbox/shots/full/ob3rox.png |
| 03:02.42 | EdLin | jdrake_: openbox works with rox-filer, yes |
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| 03:05.02 | Azar | hello honorables, what is up with a new kernel-source 2.6.8 upgrade in Sarge? is a security issue? |
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| 03:05.31 | jdrake_ | Has anyone experienced xfce on a slower machine? |
| 03:05.40 | jdrake_ | Enough to compare with openbox/rox-filer |
| 03:06.21 | benjamindees | I did a test once just to measure memory usage and openbox came out on top |
| 03:06.36 | benjamindees | but that was for a machine with like 96 megs |
| 03:06.49 | jdrake_ | How much better? |
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| 03:08.04 | benjamindees | probably less than 5-10 megs better, enough to make a difference for me |
| 03:09.04 | snake | !flash |
| 03:09.05 | dpkg | i guess flash is http://wiki.debian.org/FlashPlayer |
| 03:09.30 | snake | I need a shirt that says "dpkg is my homeboy" |
| 03:11.15 | jdrake_ | I am finding opera performs much better than firefox |
| 03:11.20 | aGee | is it possible to game on wine, not no hardcore games, something like starcraft, etc |
| 03:11.26 | aGee | ? |
| 03:11.32 | jdrake_ | I would love a gtk version the safari engine |
| 03:11.58 | benjamindees | believe me, you wouldn't |
| 03:12.13 | benjamindees | it's fast, but doesn't work well |
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| 03:13.08 | EdLin | I run IE6 and 5.5 under wine to test webpages. It works more or less |
| 03:13.32 | jdrake_ | Safari on the mac works fairly well the last time I used it (a year or more ago) |
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| 03:14.32 | benjamindees | yeah it works fairly well, I used konqueror primarily for a year or so, but it sucks when you find a site it doesn't work on |
| 03:14.46 | jdrake_ | agreed on that |
| 03:15.16 | benjamindees | with firefox, you can say "fix it" to the website |
| 03:15.32 | benjamindees | with safari or konqueror, you just deal |
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| 03:16.53 | jdrake_ | This would probably go much faster if I disabled all drivers for things I have not |
| 03:17.33 | th0ger | How can i (in bash) extract 'path' from 'path/filename' ? Is there a reverse to basename? |
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| 03:19.18 | jzxu | th0ger, you can always use awk or something |
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| 03:20.31 | th0ger | jzxu: yeah, but im not very good at awk yet |
| 03:20.42 | th0ger | jzxu: can u show me? |
| 03:20.53 | jzxu | th0ger, me neither, give me a sec to figure out the script |
| 03:21.04 | th0ger | jzxu: sure |
| 03:21.31 | aredhel | th0ger, dirname |
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| 03:21.48 | jzxu | wow, that's much easier |
| 03:21.49 | ramiroec | hi, just a question about "Mozilla Thunderbird".... |
| 03:21.52 | th0ger | aredhel: jzxu Ahh! |
| 03:21.55 | ramiroec | Is there a way to view my inbox folder, as text mode ? by ssh ? |
| 03:22.08 | th0ger | jzxu: mission abborted :) |
| 03:22.20 | th0ger | aredhel: thanks |
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| 03:23.33 | starling | ramiroec: It's in multiple mbox format, mutt should be able to grokk it. Look somewhere in ~/.mozilla/thunderbird/*/... |
| 03:23.56 | ramiroec | starling : i know that is here |
| 03:24.43 | sbailard__ | I've got a directory I can't get into. ls -l gives me "d--------- 9 jdubsena jdubsena 4096 Jul 13 12:33 twiki". I'm jdubsena. What does the 9 mean? |
| 03:24.47 | ramiroec | starling : maybe a "mozilla text mode edition" can be the solution ...xD |
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| 03:25.46 | starling | sbailard__: The --------- means it's unreadable, writeable or traversable by anyone. |
| 03:26.04 | sbailard__ | starling: what should I do? |
| 03:26.17 | starling | sbailard__: chmod u+rwx twiki |
| 03:26.39 | sbailard__ | "chmod: changing permissions of `twiki': Operation not permitted" |
| 03:27.06 | starling | I thought you were jdubsena? |
| 03:27.09 | sbailard__ | I can create a test directory, "foo", chmod 000 foo, and then chmod it again. |
| 03:27.19 | sbailard__ | I am jdubsena. |
| 03:27.34 | sbailard__ | It's weird. |
| 03:27.35 | starling | I think the 9 refers to the inode, but I could be wrong. |
| 03:27.45 | starling | Wait... |
| 03:28.03 | aredhel | sbailard__, what is the permisions on the dir that twiki is in? |
| 03:28.36 | starling | Eh, nm |
| 03:28.51 | sbailard__ | aredhel,: It's owned by root. ... And thus sbailard__ was enlightened. |
| 03:29.40 | starling | You should still be able to change the permissions... |
| 03:30.03 | starling | Oh, it was root and chmod 000 that would screw things up. |
| 03:30.08 | sbailard__ | Right, which I can do with a test directory. |
| 03:31.34 | sbailard__ | I imagine it has to do with the '9'. If I create a directory, it's a '2' |
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| 03:32.50 | siriusnova | i cant believe debian is going to change Firefox to Iceweasel |
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| 03:33.06 | starling | Wooo, iceweasel! |
| 03:33.14 | liable | siriusnova: whats the big deal? they change the name, its the same browser |
| 03:33.16 | siriusnova | thats so rediculously stupid |
| 03:33.20 | starling | Faster than a fox. Hiss hiss hiss. |
| 03:33.23 | siriusnova | its stupid because its an issue |
| 03:33.25 | starling | Wait... |
| 03:33.28 | siriusnova | with the debian people |
| 03:33.29 | starling | You're SERIOUS?? |
| 03:33.33 | siriusnova | yes i am |
| 03:33.43 | liable | siriusnova: debian is what debian is due to well laid out guidelines, this is simply following those guidelines |
| 03:34.05 | starling | How... fascinating... |
| 03:34.19 | siriusnova | liable - well maybe debian's current state is _exactly_ because all those rules and regulations, needs more software and less debian developers getting into hissy fits over a name and a trademark |
| 03:34.36 | Coweater | more software? |
| 03:34.41 | liable | siriusnova: its not a hissy fit, its a legal decision... |
| 03:34.43 | Coweater | it's got more packages than any other distro |
| 03:35.07 | jdrake_ | My kernel is *almost* done |
| 03:35.07 | siriusnova | liable - and its a stupid one, Iceweasel is a retarded name, debian protects its name, whats wrong with firefox protecting theirs? |
| 03:35.09 | starling | <3 debian's hissy fits |
| 03:35.37 | starling | I've never had a more comforting distribution. |
| 03:35.40 | liable | siriusnova: thats exactly what they are doing, and since there logos are non dfsg free, we cant use the name, so we are changing it.. |
| 03:36.06 | starling | Debian doesn't protect its name in not allowing the swirl to be distributed, that's for sure. |
| 03:36.14 | siriusnova | liable - how can other distros be fine with firefox and debian legal junkies are the only ones having hissy fits |
| 03:36.22 | liable | siriusnova: actually read the bts about it, and you 'might' actually see what the problem is |
| 03:36.25 | siriusnova | its always been the problem with debian, so much politics |
| 03:36.26 | siriusnova | i did |
| 03:36.32 | siriusnova | and all Moz is saying is this: |
| 03:36.52 | sbailard__ | I was actually wrong about the directory "twiki" is in, it's in "public_html", owned by me, not root. |
| 03:36.53 | liable | siriusnova: go use something else then, if you dont like the hissy fits, noone is making you use debian |
| 03:37.53 | siriusnova | im not i use ubuntu because i got sick of debian's politics and hissy fits while other distributions passed by a long time ago, but its still rediculous :P |
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| 03:38.15 | liable | siriusnova: moaning about it here is not really productive, as we are users, not devs, if you have godly world views about how debian as a distribution should conduct itself, i suggest you put those views forward on the debian legal mailing list |
| 03:38.42 | ChrisWhite | eth1r: (delayed) thanks, I ended up sorting it out with some man page reading (setting up postfix that is) |
| 03:38.55 | starling | sbailard__: What is the exact ls -l of the parent directory? |
| 03:38.56 | ChrisWhite | now I just have to get clam and sa up and running |
| 03:38.57 | liable | great, a ubuntu user comes here to complain about a distro he doesnt even use... |
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| 03:39.17 | streuner_ | liable: that's the tric ;-) |
| 03:39.21 | sbailard__ | One of the greatest human joys, complaining. |
| 03:39.44 | liable | streuner_: i still get baited by trolls every once in a while *sigh* :) |
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| 03:41.40 | starling | I love ice weasels myself. What would that be in Japanese... |
| 03:41.51 | ChrisWhite | hmm ice weasel? |
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| 03:42.11 | sbailard__ | It sounds like a pokemon or mid-level druid spell. |
| 03:42.22 | IamEthos | whose idea was it not to include something like elinks in the debian base system? |
| 03:42.32 | ChrisWhite | "hyou itachi" |
| 03:42.37 | IamEthos | or at least not on the base CD |
| 03:42.55 | ChrisWhite | I'd put the Japanese here but I'd probably break half the channel's irc clients with it |
| 03:42.57 | liable | IamEthos: are you sure there isnt a browser in base? |
| 03:43.13 | IamEthos | liable, pretty positive |
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| 03:43.18 | IamEthos | the closest I found was wget |
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| 03:43.27 | starling | Does anybody know a font that has a lot of Japanese kanji in it? |
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| 03:43.36 | vulture | IamEthos: "base CD" is just the first CD, and the order of packages is governed mostly (solely?) by popcon |
| 03:43.40 | liable | IamEthos: ok, thought there might have been a console browser |
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| 03:43.52 | NaufraGo | is it the official debian channel and server? |
| 03:43.52 | digit | hi all |
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| 03:44.08 | IamEthos | so here is my dilemna |
| 03:44.15 | starling | ChrisWhite: Wouldn't it be yuki no okojo? |
| 03:44.18 | IamEthos | my school's network requires a login |
| 03:44.22 | liable | vulture: not really, 'base' is the basic set of packages you get when you dont pick a task with tasksel, ie a 'core' set of packages |
| 03:44.24 | IamEthos | I can't login without a web browser |
| 03:44.24 | ChrisWhite | yuki is snow |
| 03:44.29 | starling | Oh yeah. |
| 03:44.32 | JonasNZ | im looking for help as to partitioning an ibook g3 for a pure debian install |
| 03:44.35 | digit | question whats a decent wm for a old laptop |
| 03:44.38 | NaufraGo | anyway, can I burn dvd on debian and later read that cd on windows? |
| 03:44.44 | IamEthos | I can't install anything without logging in |
| 03:45.03 | IamEthos | so how do I get a web browser that supports SSL? |
| 03:45.24 | jzxu | oh god, what the hell is wrong with the xserver-xorg configure script? |
| 03:45.37 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me???? |
| 03:45.38 | eth1r | IamEthos: flashdrive? |
| 03:45.41 | vulture | IamEthos: logging in to what/how exactly? |
| 03:45.46 | liable | IamEthos: you have net access now, download the .debs and install manually |
| 03:45.56 | vulture | IamEthos: generally it should just be HTTP authentication & you can set those parameters in apt's config |
| 03:46.03 | jzxu | I keep selecting okay and it just keeps showing me the same screen |
| 03:46.07 | starling | Hey at least it's not IceIbex. |
| 03:46.12 | jzxu | I have to manually kill the process |
| 03:46.23 | eth1r | NaufraGo: what seems to be the problem |
| 03:46.25 | iLLf8d | hey all I'm booting the netinst iso and for some reason its booting find and part way in saying no cdrom drivers detected (although its running off the cdrom) know how I can fix this? |
| 03:46.28 | vulture | if it's some other hackish cache auth, then yeah - grab yourself some packages manually (if you need to install packages on a disconnected system, try apt-zip) |
| 03:46.34 | EdLin | ice != fire, weasal = fox-food |
| 03:46.36 | iLLf8d | s/find/fine |
| 03:46.48 | aGee | is it bad to use unstable .debs on sarge? |
| 03:46.49 | starling | I'd like to see the fox try! |
| 03:46.55 | liable | aGee: yes |
| 03:46.58 | sbailard__ | ah, for "d--------- 9 jdubsena jdubsena 4096 Jul 13 12:33 twiki", the "9" trailing the "d--------- " indicates the number of directories in twiki. |
| 03:47.00 | EdLin | aGee: yes |
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| 03:47.06 | NaufraGo | repeat. can I burn a dvd by debian, an d later read that dvd by windows? |
| 03:47.10 | streuner_ | !bobbitt |
| 03:47.11 | dpkg | Remember Lorena Bobbitt? Remember what she did to her husband's woody? Well, when you install binary packages from different branches onto your woody, you get the same result. Same goes for Sarge. |
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| 03:47.27 | liable | aGee: theres backports.org, or you could try backporting yourself if you really need something |
| 03:47.36 | liable | aGee: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 03:47.45 | aGee | liable: its wine, and i want the latest one |
| 03:47.45 | Quintin | NaufraGo: I don't see why not |
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| 03:48.04 | NaufraGo | is there any application for debian? |
| 03:48.14 | liable | aGee: try backporting it then |
| 03:48.20 | eth1r | NaufraGo: probably quite a few... like k3b |
| 03:48.29 | NaufraGo | alright, thanks |
| 03:48.48 | aGee | liable: should i just compile my own |
| 03:48.48 | liable | NaufraGo: sure, growisofs is the backend, lots of front ends such as already suggested |
| 03:48.58 | IamEthos | vulture, it's not. It's a web form |
| 03:49.09 | vulture | IamEthos: then it's a lame hack (: |
| 03:49.12 | IamEthos | just an HTML form on an SSL encrypted page |
| 03:49.19 | liable | aGee: if you want, check out 'checkinstall' though, so you can at least keep things tidy |
| 03:49.20 | vulture | IamEthos: could always formulate the necessary get request.. |
| 03:49.32 | starling | <3 checkinstall |
| 03:49.39 | IamEthos | vulture, using tools that are in base? |
| 03:49.49 | vulture | IamEthos: you mentioned wget? |
| 03:50.03 | IamEthos | eth1r, I do have a flash drive |
| 03:50.06 | IamEthos | vulture, yep |
| 03:50.39 | IamEthos | I'm thinking lynx doesn't have too many dependencies |
| 03:50.42 | vulture | so just formulate the necessary request with your creds as get params (assuming the auth form can handle get params - otherwise wget might be able to do post params somehow too) |
| 03:50.48 | IamEthos | I might just download it and it's dependencies |
| 03:51.13 | sbailard__ | So any guesses about how to chmod or chown a directory with the permissions "d--------- " |
| 03:51.15 | liable | IamEthos: make sure the one you get has ssl support, iirc, they done all support it |
| 03:51.19 | eth1r | IamEthos, so you need to login over ssl but you don't have an ssl browser or anything? |
| 03:51.37 | aGee | liable: i think im just gonna compile my own :/ |
| 03:51.47 | eth1r | IamEthos: isn't there a telnetssl in the base system? |
| 03:51.52 | aGee | !tar.bz2 |
| 03:51.52 | dpkg | tar --bzip2 -xvf file.tar.bz2 |
| 03:52.28 | ChrisWhite | telnet..ssl? |
| 03:52.33 | liable | aGee: sure, shouldnt be too much of a big deal |
| 03:52.47 | eth1r | ChrisWhite: hahahha I may have misspelled it but there's something of the sort |
| 03:53.04 | ChrisWhite | eth1r: why not use like curl |
| 03:53.07 | liable | IamEthos: it only has 4 deps you might need to get |
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| 03:53.27 | eth1r | ChrisWhite: cause I didn't think of it |
| 03:54.02 | ChrisWhite | eth1r: use that then, thinking of "telnetssl" and the complex nature of telnet and ssh confusion makes my head spin |
| 03:54.37 | ChrisWhite | mmm procmail |
| 03:54.52 | eth1r | what about procmail? |
| 03:55.00 | liable | 1400.. must be beer'o'clock! |
| 03:55.05 | ChrisWhite | it's what postfix delivers to |
| 03:55.12 | ChrisWhite | which is nice, because I'm used to procmail |
| 03:56.29 | ChrisWhite | next stop is a nice DEC alpha, which I'm gonna convert to a MySQL server for the local ppc php/apache box |
| 03:59.35 | aGee | when you install wine via 'make install' , can you remove all of them by just 'dpkg --purge" ? |
| 03:59.59 | EdLin | aGee: no, you need to have made a deb out of it |
| 04:00.31 | aGee | EdLin: then how do you remove it? |
| 04:00.34 | aGee | manually? |
| 04:00.52 | jzxu | aGee, you can try make uninstall in the original source dir |
| 04:00.54 | EdLin | aGee: manually. Next time use checkinstall |
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| 04:01.18 | aGee | what is checkinstall by the way |
| 04:01.19 | EdLin | aGee: what jzxu said... but many programs don't have that target |
| 04:01.21 | aGee | !checkinstall |
| 04:01.21 | dpkg | checkinstall is, like, a program that keeps track of all files installed by a "make install" or equivalent, creates a Slackware, RPM, or Debian package with those files, and adds it to the installed packages database, allowing for easy package removal or distribution. http://asic-linux.com.mx/~izto/checkinstall/ |
| 04:02.00 | aGee | jzxu: what if the source dir is deleted? |
| 04:02.04 | Supaplex | humph. dpkg > checkinstall |
| 04:02.44 | eth1r | aGee: I'm pretty sure if you still have the tar.bz2 or tar.gz or whatever you can unzip it, run configure and run make uninstall |
| 04:02.47 | Xormic | What's a program that will pop up a dialog in GUI where you can type in and run a command? |
| 04:02.51 | EdLin | Supaplex: I'm sure checkinstall utilizes dpkg. OF course, if you're making a .deb for more than just your own system, you need something other than checkinstall |
| 04:02.56 | Xormic | e.g. Start -> Run in Windows |
| 04:02.57 | aGee | eth1r: you're right |
| 04:03.02 | Mitja | How to extract (tar) all archives at once? |
| 04:03.07 | liable | EdLin: not all sources include uninstall files |
| 04:03.12 | liable | err |
| 04:03.20 | liable | eth1r: ^^ |
| 04:03.22 | EdLin | Xormic: that depends upon which window manager / desktop environments |
| 04:03.22 | eth1r | Xormic: well it could sort of depend on your window manager |
| 04:03.27 | EdLin | liable: I know that :-) |
| 04:03.34 | liable | heh |
| 04:03.45 | Xormic | There's nothing that isn't tied to a wm? |
| 04:03.47 | EdLin | Xormic: I think alt-F2 works in GNOME/KDE |
| 04:03.58 | ChrisWhite | Mitja: for archive in *.tar; do tar xvf "${archive}"; done? |
| 04:04.02 | eth1r | liable: agreed... but most do :P |
| 04:04.09 | EdLin | Xormic: welcome to the X Window System |
| 04:04.10 | Xormic | I'm in Fluxbox |
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| 04:04.26 | Xormic | and I wanted to add a link in my menu so I could do that. |
| 04:04.46 | eth1r | Xormic: there probably is |
| 04:04.58 | EdLin | Xormic: there's a simple program I used a long time ago for that, forgot its name, look for it on freshmeat.net |
| 04:05.10 | ChrisWhite | probably could do `find . -iname "*.tar" | xargs tar xvf` as well |
| 04:05.11 | Xormic | alright. |
| 04:05.15 | eth1r | Xormic: I think fluxbox may have a fbrun program (doesnt come with fluxbox though) |
| 04:05.23 | eth1r | at least I don't think it does |
| 04:05.24 | Xormic | I thought I'd already have it, or it'd be a package, but oh well |
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| 04:05.58 | Xormic | whaddya know! |
| 04:06.01 | Xormic | I do have fbrun |
| 04:06.16 | Xormic | thanks! |
| 04:06.19 | eth1r | sure |
| 04:06.29 | Mitja | ChrisWhite, how do I evaluate that in shell? Or does it have to be a script file? |
| 04:06.49 | vick | Hello is there a GUI app to list all processes and like send signals ? |
| 04:07.01 | ChrisWhite | Mitja: just type it directly into the shell |
| 04:07.09 | ChrisWhite | Mitja: are they .tar files or .tar.gz? |
| 04:07.13 | Supaplex | vick: xterm+top :) |
| 04:07.15 | Mitja | .tgz |
| 04:07.17 | liable | vick: like windows task manager? |
| 04:07.19 | ChrisWhite | oh then |
| 04:07.21 | EdLin | vick: top in a large xterm is best |
| 04:07.28 | Mitja | ChrisWhite, it gives > |
| 04:07.46 | EdLin | Supaplex: GMTA! |
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| 04:08.02 | eth1r | Mitja: just replace the *.tar with *.tgz |
| 04:08.03 | ChrisWhite | Mitja: ok then... `find . -iname "*.tgz" -exec tar xzvf '{}' \;` |
| 04:08.12 | ChrisWhite | (could be a standard input thing) |
| 04:08.13 | eth1r | Mitja: nevermind me |
| 04:08.33 | Supaplex | EdLin: yup :-D |
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| 04:09.36 | Mitja | ChrisWhite, thanks, sounds like it's crunching something :) |
| 04:10.03 | ChrisWhite | Mitja: if that's a real crunching sound you might have reason to worry ;p |
| 04:10.11 | eth1r | Mitja: you should be able to see the files scrolling by if its actually doing something |
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| 04:10.27 | Mitja | I mean crunching numbers |
| 04:10.29 | eth1r | ah |
| 04:10.45 | jzxu | can anyone with more experience tell me what this guy did to resolve the bug he describes? |
| 04:10.46 | Mitja | eth1r, nothing's scrolling by |
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| 04:10.52 | jzxu | http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060928.175430.628b24e0.en.html |
| 04:11.01 | ChrisWhite | it should be... (v is enabled) |
| 04:11.06 | eth1r | Mitja: well it's probably just looking for files still |
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| 04:12.12 | nvz | anyone got a timestamp on when I left last? |
| 04:12.27 | Supaplex | 1m ago |
| 04:12.31 | nvz | really? |
| 04:12.35 | EdLin | 20:37 |
| 04:12.46 | Supaplex | my bad, EdLin's correct. |
| 04:12.54 | dondelelcaro | nvz: 17:36 -!- nvz [n=nvz@wv-mgtnwv-cad1-grp3a-3-167.pittpa.adelphia.net] has quit [Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)] |
| 04:12.55 | nvz | EdLin: EDT? |
| 04:13.01 | dondelelcaro | nvz: that's PDT. |
| 04:13.03 | Mitja | eth1r, it's extracting already, but not scrolling |
| 04:13.10 | Supaplex | 18:36 left ; 22:11 joined |
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| 04:13.12 | EdLin | nvz: yes, EDT here |
| 04:13.12 | nvz | dondelelcaro: yeah I know what your timezone is ;) |
| 04:13.31 | nvz | I got home from a going-to-jail party.. heh my pc was off |
| 04:13.36 | nvz | I guess my power went out |
| 04:13.42 | EdLin | dondelelcaro: I thought for a second there you said POT |
| 04:13.46 | eth1r | Mitja: ok |
| 04:13.48 | shadow98 | anybody on that knows how to test to see if you internal ips can be seen outside the firewall when surfing websites |
| 04:13.49 | liable | what are you a stalker or something? :P |
| 04:13.51 | nvz | apperently hillbillies throw parties when they are going to jail |
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| 04:14.23 | dondelelcaro | shadow98: they can, but only if the client is advertising |
| 04:14.36 | dondelelcaro | shadow98: otherwise, they'll see the firewall ip. See whatismyip.com FE. |
| 04:14.41 | shadow98 | is there a site to test this..i know i have seen one before but i can't find it |
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| 04:15.33 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:15.42 | wols_ | the "IP advertising" I mean |
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| 04:15.52 | aFlag | hello, what process is used to control the limits.conf config file? I mean, what process make the system calls that enforce the limits? |
| 04:15.53 | dondelelcaro | wols_: an easy way would be javascript, and send it back. |
| 04:16.07 | wols_ | so no "standard" way? |
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| 04:16.16 | nvz | shadow98: whatismyip.com |
| 04:16.42 | dondelelcaro | wols_: well, unless the client is braindead, no. |
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| 04:19.46 | aredhel | jzxu, he set his debconf priority to low. which let him install X. then he went and found the problem with the script and filed a not so clear bug report. |
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| 04:24.41 | igor | Hi, I'm trying to use cups with a hp 1320 but I'm having problems getting appsocket to work |
| 04:24.49 | igor | when I do an lpinfo -v I get |
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| 04:25.18 | igor | http://pastebin.ca/187481 |
| 04:25.57 | igor | How can I make network socket |
| 04:26.00 | igor | appear? |
| 04:26.07 | Supaplex | ahhhh printing. I forgot to setup the fscking printer at work :P crap crap crap |
| 04:26.08 | igor | I have installed hpijs but no luck |
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| 04:26.24 | vick | liable, Yeah, sorry my irc client was messed up |
| 04:26.28 | igor | I'm on sarge |
| 04:26.31 | vick | liable, something GUI tho, not in terminal |
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| 04:28.06 | liable | vick: i cant say that i know of one actually, that certainly doesnt mean one doesnt exist though. check google i guess, but top or pstree are both ok, i would bet gnome or kde have some sort of process manager app though |
| 04:28.10 | igor | My printing related packages installed are |
| 04:28.13 | igor | http://pastebin.ca/187483 |
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| 04:29.00 | liable | vick: oh, gnome does appear to have one.. |
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| 04:29.43 | vick | liable, what's it's name ? |
| 04:30.13 | liable | vick: its in the preferences menu, called 'sessions' |
| 04:30.42 | vick | liable, i'm actually running fluxbox |
| 04:31.21 | vick | liable, probably gnome-session |
| 04:31.28 | liable | vick: okie, i dont know of any, most people use top or ps |
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| 04:31.43 | vick | liable, thanks anyway |
| 04:32.19 | liable | vick: np, i would be surprised if there isnt some task manager like clone out there |
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| 04:41.32 | selmer2 | what line in /etc/inittab do I have to change in order to disable GNOME at startup? |
| 04:42.22 | jetscreamer | none |
| 04:42.30 | jetscreamer | zero zip zilch nada |
| 04:42.50 | selmer2 | how do I do it? |
| 04:43.03 | jetscreamer | you probably want to edit /etc/X11/default-display-manager |
| 04:43.08 | wols_ | selmer2: disable gdm in your sysvinit (if that's what you mean by "gnome") |
| 04:43.19 | selmer2 | k ty guyz |
| 04:43.25 | jetscreamer | if you don't have one there are other ways |
| 04:43.52 | jetscreamer | i always tell the wrong (read easy) way |
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| 04:56.15 | Azio | Hi people. |
| 04:56.29 | Azio | I have an issue, Hope somebody can give me a heads up at what might be wrong: mosstatd: error while loading shared libraries: libmos.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. |
| 04:56.40 | Azio | now i know libmos.so.0 -> libmos.so.0.3.0 exists in /usr/local/lib/ |
| 04:57.01 | Azio | Just pulling hair out a bit here, so any help supported. I am running debian sarge 2.4.26 btw :) with openmosix and migshm |
| 04:57.15 | blahF28 | http://www.geocities.com/xmf28mx/nan.html |
| 04:57.16 | blahF28 | http://www.geocities.com/xmf28mx/nan.html |
| 04:57.16 | LoRez | Warning: `blahF28' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
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| 04:57.17 | Azio | Both appear to be working fine according to the MAASK OM benchmark |
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| 04:58.08 | Azio | :< |
| 04:58.14 | _ph00 | what tf would a spammer sent the same line 4 times in a row? does he like to get kickede? |
| 04:58.30 | Azio | heh |
| 04:58.33 | _ph00 | why* |
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| 04:58.34 | Azio | did seem pretty stupid |
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| 05:00.05 | _ph00 | yeah. I do spam one address once in a while, if I see something intresting that I think you should see, but one line, somtimes adding </spam> to point out that it was only one line and stop. I don't understand why to spam the same line 4 times |
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| 05:00.26 | shadow98 | im having problems with a touchpad on an older laptop on debian... |
| 05:00.38 | shadow98 | i have tried /dev/psaux |
| 05:00.47 | shadow98 | and /dev/input/mouse |
| 05:00.57 | shadow98 | and now /dev/ty0 |
| 05:01.01 | shadow98 | and still no luck |
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| 05:04.49 | Supaplex | elaborate on problems |
| 05:04.51 | Supaplex | !don't work |
| 05:04.52 | dpkg | Look buddy, "doesn't work" is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day long? Does it procrastinate doing the dishes? Does it beg on the street for change? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. Give us more details so we can help you without needing to ask basic questions like "what's the error message". |
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| 05:05.12 | Azio | lol |
| 05:05.21 | Azio | ;) |
| 05:05.40 | Azio | is there anyway to check where a bin/ file is looking for shared lib's? |
| 05:05.52 | Supaplex | ldd |
| 05:05.56 | Azio | heh |
| 05:05.59 | Azio | i just get "not found" |
| 05:06.03 | Azio | :( doesnt say where its looking |
| 05:06.23 | Supaplex | !install it |
| 05:06.29 | Azio | its there |
| 05:06.30 | Azio | :( |
| 05:06.34 | Supaplex | it? |
| 05:06.39 | Azio | scroll up a bit |
| 05:06.54 | Azio | its ok i'll paste: |
| 05:06.54 | Azio | <Azio> I have an issue, Hope somebody can give me a heads up at what might be wrong: mosstatd: error while loading shared libraries: libmos.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory. |
| 05:06.54 | Azio | <Azio> now i know libmos.so.0 -> libmos.so.0.3.0 exists in /usr/local/lib/ |
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| 05:07.13 | Supaplex | what's the permissions? |
| 05:07.35 | Azio | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 15 2006-10-01 08:06 libmos.so.0 -> libmos.so.0.3.0 |
| 05:07.41 | Supaplex | of the target |
| 05:07.45 | Azio | oh |
| 05:07.57 | Azio | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 0 2006-10-01 08:14 libmos.so.0.3.0 |
| 05:08.10 | Supaplex | 0 bytes eh |
| 05:08.18 | Azio | oh |
| 05:08.19 | Supaplex | that's a pretty small lib :) |
| 05:08.20 | Azio | :< |
| 05:08.25 | Supaplex | hehe |
| 05:08.26 | Azio | damn man, im sorry, its my fault |
| 05:08.29 | Azio | it was 69kb |
| 05:08.35 | Azio | obviously something bad happened. |
| 05:08.55 | ChrisWhite | or you've stumbled on a superior compression algorithm (I actually wish that was the case) |
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| 05:08.57 | Supaplex | you should be able to reinstall it |
| 05:09.17 | chowmeined | so i added cracklib to common-password in pam... now it says access denied whenever a user tries to change their password with passwd |
| 05:09.28 | Azio | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 15 2006-10-01 08:31 libmos.so -> libmos.so.0.3.0 |
| 05:09.28 | Azio | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root staff 15 2006-10-01 08:31 libmos.so.0 -> libmos.so.0.3.0 |
| 05:09.29 | Azio | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 69828 2006-10-01 08:31 libmos.so.0.3.0 |
| 05:09.30 | Azio | ok, :P |
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| 05:09.42 | jetscreamer | tsk |
| 05:09.46 | Supaplex | is it safe to come out now? ;) |
| 05:09.50 | Azio | sorry. |
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| 05:10.04 | liable | what about $ LD_PRELOAD=/usr/lib/libmos.so.0.3.0 mosstatd ?? |
| 05:10.25 | poonj | hey guys...how do I find out which compiler was used to to compile my kernel? |
| 05:10.25 | Supaplex | just confuse him more.... |
| 05:10.31 | poonj | uname -a doesn't give that information... |
| 05:10.31 | liable | you may need quotes there |
| 05:10.36 | Azio | im not confused |
| 05:10.37 | Azio | just stupid. |
| 05:10.42 | liable | heh |
| 05:10.53 | Supaplex | poonj: iirc there's something in /proc/ that'll say |
| 05:10.59 | poonj | okay |
| 05:11.01 | Supaplex | hint, it's not kcore :) |
| 05:11.16 | liable | poonj: cat /proc/version |
| 05:11.34 | poonj | thanks liable |
| 05:11.45 | Azio | ok well the file is definately 69kb now :D but i get the same error liable apart from : |
| 05:11.55 | Azio | ERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libmos.so.0.3.0' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 05:12.06 | Azio | helpful eh |
| 05:12.19 | liable | not really. |
| 05:12.40 | Azio | :) indeed |
| 05:12.43 | Azio | its too bad.. |
| 05:13.05 | Azio | I seem to have compiled an openmosix kernel supercomputer with migshm shared memory migration |
| 05:13.11 | Azio | but i cant get a stupid shlib to work |
| 05:13.12 | Azio | :D |
| 05:13.21 | Azio | (across 10 nodes) |
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| 05:15.47 | Azio | im going to try libmos.so => ./libprint.so.0 in lib/ |
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| 05:18.01 | Azio | bah |
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| 05:26.08 | _ph00 | I got a DVD image in .img format, how do I convert that to .iso? |
| 05:27.19 | Azio | isobuster |
| 05:27.33 | Azio | orr |
| 05:27.41 | Azio | use some app with daemon tools? :O |
| 05:28.04 | liable | can you mount a .img? |
| 05:28.19 | _ph00 | I tried running daemon tools on wine, but it didn't work |
| 05:28.58 | Azio | :( |
| 05:29.03 | Azio | sucks dude |
| 05:29.04 | chino[dev] | someone in here one time told me how to configure openssh so that it would send more keep allive messages because my ssh sessions are dieing out of no where does anyone know how to do it ? |
| 05:29.13 | _ph00 | mounting? I need to make a DVD. it's a movie and I want to keep the movie and save space on hdd |
| 05:29.27 | Azio | hmm |
| 05:29.31 | Azio | Why can you burn the img format? |
| 05:29.39 | Azio | why must it be iso? :D |
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| 05:30.07 | _ph00 | because I'm runningk3b and it only has a burn .iso option. maybe I could burn the .img if I knew what to use |
| 05:30.15 | chino[dev] | _ph00: he asked that because you can mount iso's just like you mount cd's so other programs would be able to see the mounted img just like it was in the dvd drive then you could burn it to an iso |
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| 05:31.13 | Azio | _ph00 fair enough :D |
| 05:31.31 | _ph00 | yes, but mounting and then burn... yes it would work. burn the files in the video_ts dir to the disc's video_ts. fine. how do I mount a .img? |
| 05:31.55 | _ph00 | mount -t? what? |
| 05:32.12 | _ph00 | what's the file system "code" ? |
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| 05:32.22 | Azio | mount -t iso9660 -o ro,loop=/dev/loop0 TheNameOfYourFile.img /mnt/temp |
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| 05:32.33 | Azio | ? |
| 05:32.34 | Azio | :> |
| 05:32.40 | Azio | something like that no? :D |
| 05:32.45 | sanabriamusic | anybody fixed their problem with sound? |
| 05:32.47 | _ph00 | iso9660? same as for .iso? hmmm I don't thinnk so |
| 05:33.02 | _ph00 | yes something like that but the file system is probably wrong |
| 05:33.16 | Azio | http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?t=193 |
| 05:33.20 | sanabriamusic | my sound comes out rubling |
| 05:33.21 | Azio | im not so sure its wrong |
| 05:33.26 | Azio | :) |
| 05:33.32 | sanabriamusic | rumbling |
| 05:33.42 | liable | !fgi linux burn .img |
| 05:33.42 | dpkg | linux: http://fuckinggoogleit.com/search?query=burn .img |
| 05:33.52 | _ph00 | hehe |
| 05:33.52 | liable | meh |
| 05:33.53 | Azio | heh thats what i did liable :D |
| 05:33.54 | Azio | heh |
| 05:33.56 | sanabriamusic | lol dpkg |
| 05:34.07 | sanabriamusic | braindead b |
| 05:34.11 | Azio | hmm :< |
| 05:34.20 | Azio | still i have this same problem with this lib |
| 05:34.21 | Azio | :< |
| 05:34.34 | _ph00 | I hate googling because I never hit what I need withing the first 10 tries |
| 05:34.41 | Azio | really? |
| 05:34.44 | Azio | thats pretty bad man |
| 05:34.54 | Azio | Hestia:/home/azio# ldd /usr/bin/mosstatd |
| 05:34.54 | Azio | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:34.55 | sanabriamusic | hey its better than dpkg telling u to read the whole debian manual |
| 05:35.02 | Azio | lol |
| 05:35.04 | sanabriamusic | is like...duh |
| 05:35.11 | liable | _ph00: you need to work on your google foo then :) |
| 05:35.21 | sanabriamusic | am like wow this guy knows his shit |
| 05:35.22 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 05:35.23 | Azio | damnit |
| 05:35.33 | Azio | how do i check where a binary is looking for a shared lib? |
| 05:35.42 | Azio | is debian really that retarded not to reveal it? |
| 05:35.42 | Azio | :( |
| 05:35.47 | sanabriamusic | wish i knew |
| 05:35.50 | sanabriamusic | dam |
| 05:35.59 | Azio | your not alone |
| 05:36.03 | liable | Azio: try strace |
| 05:36.27 | liable | if you can follow its cryptic output |
| 05:36.29 | sanabriamusic | have to run pick up someone |
| 05:36.30 | _ph00 | yeah. that's the main problem. I guess I can get "burn .img howto" but sometimes I don't know what keywords to use, expecially when I try to find answers to more elaborate questions. I usually get lots of pointless blogs |
| 05:36.31 | sanabriamusic | brb |
| 05:36.45 | Azio | strace + grep == leet |
| 05:36.46 | Azio | ta |
| 05:37.08 | Azio | open("/usr/lib/i486-linux-gnu/libmos.so.0" |
| 05:37.09 | Azio | ahahahaha |
| 05:37.14 | Azio | thats so retarded |
| 05:37.28 | Azio | whats funnier is, i cant change it, because i alien'd a deb. |
| 05:37.42 | liable | _ph00: google suggests renaming it to .iso |
| 05:37.50 | Azio | _ph00 same reason why everybody isn't a democrat :D |
| 05:37.50 | Azio | \o/ |
| 05:38.20 | Azio | thanks liable you helped bigtime duder |
| 05:38.24 | liable | ohnos, is a slippery path starting that conversation.. |
| 05:38.27 | _ph00 | don't get me started on democrats vs republicans... (in a nuthell = piss vs shit) |
| 05:38.30 | Azio | liable yes |
| 05:38.37 | Azio | infact |
| 05:38.39 | Azio | politics sucks in general |
| 05:38.41 | Azio | :C |
| 05:39.33 | _ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:39.47 | Azio | jesus christ, this is shit. |
| 05:39.53 | Azio | theres no way to compile 3dmosmon on debian. |
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| 05:39.57 | Azio | argh. |
| 05:40.03 | _ph00 | (back to my .img, c.u later) |
| 05:40.07 | Azio | goodluck ph00 |
| 05:40.12 | _ph00 | thx |
| 05:40.32 | liable | did you try renaming it? |
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| 05:41.14 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 05:41.30 | Azio | :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD |
| 05:41.34 | Azio | i love you liable |
| 05:41.39 | Azio | you seem to be liable to my success |
| 05:41.41 | Azio | :D thanks |
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| 05:42.01 | Azio | mosstatd PID file exists! |
| 05:42.01 | Azio | Trying to stop old mosstatd-instance... |
| 05:42.01 | Azio | Could not stop old mosstatd-instance! |
| 05:42.01 | Azio | mosstatd dameon succesfull started PID 16802 |
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| 05:42.05 | _ph00 | I can't try anything if I keep chatting with you guys. I'll check google myself then decide what to do. I'm afraid that I rename it, burn it and then doesn't work |
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| 05:42.08 | Azio | love youuuu weee |
| 05:42.13 | liable | Azio: i will be waiting for the cheque in the post :) |
| 05:42.17 | Azio | :D |
| 05:42.23 | Azio | When i make my first million , :D |
| 05:42.35 | liable | Azio: hah, you had an instance already running?? |
| 05:42.44 | Azio | dont thinkso :D |
| 05:42.49 | Azio | just the .pid :D |
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| 05:43.05 | Azio | it started before, just moaned about missing lib's |
| 05:43.12 | mynullvoid | I was having problem with my cert key, I had delete all my old keys and regenerate new keys, but how I have problem: postfix/smtpd[30276]: warning: cannot get private key from file /etc/postfix/ssl/newreq.pem postfix/smtpd[30276]: warning: TLS library problem: 30276:error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line:pem_lib.c:644:Expecting: ANY PRIVATE KEY: postfix/smtpd[30276]: warning: TLS library problem: 30276:error:140B0009:SSL routines:SSL_CTX_ |
| 05:43.12 | Azio | i dont think it was the OS reporting the error |
| 05:43.17 | liable | _ph00: um, you can cp and rename at tye same time.. |
| 05:43.21 | Azio | eeek mynullvoid |
| 05:44.10 | wakejagr | my wife swears she saw a mention of a possible choice for the rename of firefox in etch, but i can't find anything online. is there some info i missed? |
| 05:44.40 | Azio | 3dmosmon now works |
| 05:44.42 | liable | wakejagr: /. has an article on it (front page last time i looked) |
| 05:44.48 | Azio | it looks shit |
| 05:44.50 | Azio | but it works :) |
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| 05:45.06 | liable | wakejagr: most online news sites have mentioned it in the last couple of days |
| 05:45.11 | _ph00 | completely different question, and I already "fuckingoogled" that, besides asking a couple of times never getting any answer: how do I fiz apt-get update complaining about missing gpg keys? |
| 05:45.13 | ArrenLex | So has a new name for Firefox been decided yet? |
| 05:45.21 | _ph00 | fix* |
| 05:45.27 | liable | wakejagr: bts for firefox also explains it :) |
| 05:45.27 | _ph00 | firepanda? |
| 05:45.30 | Kevin` | what happened to the old name? |
| 05:45.34 | _ph00 | firerabbit? |
| 05:45.42 | _ph00 | firefish |
| 05:45.52 | _ph00 | firefish is good |
| 05:45.54 | liable | _ph00: for what repo? |
| 05:46.12 | _ph00 | at least some 5-6 of them |
| 05:46.20 | _ph00 | the problem must be *my* key |
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| 05:46.32 | _ph00 | even debian official repos give me that problem |
| 05:46.37 | liable | Kevin`: non free lagal dramas, to do with firefox licenses being non dfsg acceptable |
| 05:46.52 | liable | _ph00: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 05:47.22 | liable | _ph00: but you shouldnt really have that problem now, it should have been resolved a while ago |
| 05:47.41 | liable | _ph00: paste your sources.list to a paster and the output of apt complaining |
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| 05:48.10 | _ph00 | the first time I asked about that someone suggested installing a couple of apps and doing some apt-something (sorry I don't remember) then the only thing that was left was telling apt where thy key was, but I couldn't do that |
| 05:48.19 | _ph00 | liable OK |
| 05:49.21 | ArrenLex | Has a new name for Firefox been decided yet? |
| 05:49.26 | liable | no |
| 05:49.38 | streuner_ | "firecrap" |
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| 05:49.39 | liable | ice weasal is the front runner atm |
| 05:49.41 | _ph00 | btw I'm gonna need a good sources.list too, I simply googled sources.list and grabbed some, but I don't know which the good ones are |
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| 05:50.02 | liable | _ph00: define 'good sources.list' |
| 05:50.12 | gentgeen__ | why do I keep getting an error with this command $ echo The Cats Meow | sed -e 's/Cats/Dogs' |
| 05:50.34 | ArrenLex | Quotes? echo "The Cats Meow" |
| 05:50.40 | _ph00 | a good list of repos |
| 05:50.56 | ArrenLex | Oh. |
| 05:50.58 | ArrenLex | I lie. |
| 05:51.02 | ArrenLex | You need another slash at the end. |
| 05:51.05 | liable | _ph00: debian only has one repo (with three sections) |
| 05:51.08 | ArrenLex | 's/Cats/Dogs/' |
| 05:51.17 | ArrenLex | Or, /g at the end if you want to replace all instances. |
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| 05:52.00 | liable | _ph00: plus security if you run stable |
| 05:52.00 | gentgeen__ | Thanks guys/girls .... I knew that.... to late to be scripting :-) |
| 05:52.02 | _ph00 | maybe so, but the repo I got with debian didn't include many apps, so I added some sources |
| 05:52.30 | liable | _ph00: then you need to consult those repos home pages for instaructions on getting the keys |
| 05:52.47 | Azio | lmao liable |
| 05:52.49 | Azio | after all that |
| 05:52.50 | Azio | "Unable to create direct context rendering for window" |
| 05:52.51 | Azio | :) |
| 05:52.53 | Azio | it works |
| 05:52.58 | Azio | just urgghh |
| 05:53.24 | _ph00 | now they are almost all commented out. I still get that problem |
| 05:53.32 | _ph00 | (pasting output, wait |
| 05:54.17 | Azio | its something to do with GLX |
| 05:54.19 | Azio | so im off to fix that :D |
| 05:54.32 | _ph00 | I'm getting that gpg error even on debian.org repos. I'm convinced it must be some problem with my key. maybe apt can't locate it. |
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| 05:54.52 | _ph00 | sources.list is at ==>http://pastebin.ca/187535 |
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| 05:55.38 | liable | !ping |
| 05:55.38 | dpkg | pong |
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| 05:55.45 | Azio | ping |
| 05:55.46 | liable_ | meh |
| 05:55.53 | Azio | :> |
| 05:56.10 | Azio | my TTL has decreased rapidly since i worked on sarge |
| 05:56.10 | Azio | lol |
| 05:56.12 | Azio | :P |
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| 05:56.40 | _ph00 | http://pastebin.ca/187538 <== the output of apt-get update |
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| 05:58.33 | liable | _ph00: first, could you remove the leading _ to your nick? thanks. second, go to the home page for debian-multimedia to get instructions for adding the key |
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| 05:58.55 | liable | _ph00: third, the other repos, you are on your own with |
| 05:59.06 | Azio | hmm |
| 05:59.15 | Azio | Stupid querstion here, what do i need to install for opengl support? |
| 05:59.24 | Azio | apt-cache search opengl gives , hmm not what i would expect |
| 05:59.49 | ArrenLex | Azio: what problems are you having with opengl? |
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| 06:00.07 | Azio | soz one sec, im in X on a console across the room :D |
| 06:00.16 | _ph00 | I guess adding the key goes the same, I should visit all those homepage then. thx for that. and no, I can't remove the _ because this is my registered nick with a cloak |
| 06:00.25 | _ph00 | what's the problem with the _? |
| 06:00.37 | _ph00 | other people have _'s |
| 06:00.48 | Azio | freeglut is reporting "unable to create direct context rendering for window" |
| 06:01.08 | liable | _ph00: it makes me have to use the shift key as well as -, instead of one key and <tab> |
| 06:01.26 | Azio | Xerror of bad Request (invalid font parameter) |
| 06:01.34 | _ph00 | *big* problem... |
| 06:01.45 | liable | _ph00: which annoys me enough that sometimes i'll not bother starting a conversation with some people |
| 06:01.46 | _ph00 | thx for helping, anyway. |
| 06:01.47 | Azio | its GLX and GLXusefont |
| 06:01.52 | ArrenLex | Azio: what does "glxinfo | grep dire" say? |
| 06:02.06 | liable | ArrenLex: try libgl1-mesa-glx |
| 06:02.24 | Azio | Error: unable to open display (null) |
| 06:02.26 | Azio | at the CLI |
| 06:02.30 | _ph00 | so don't. I never asked you personally for an answer (no offense intended) |
| 06:02.31 | Azio | liable i think ive got that |
| 06:02.38 | ArrenLex | Azio: ...are you running X? |
| 06:02.46 | Azio | let me go over to the console. |
| 06:02.46 | Azio | :D |
| 06:02.49 | Azio | the console is :) |
| 06:02.57 | Azio | im logged in through ssh, sec :D |
| 06:03.08 | Azio | let me install libgl1-mesa-glx on this ssh terminal |
| 06:03.13 | Azio | i think i just installed anyway |
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| 06:03.37 | Azio | libgl1-mesa-glx is already the newest version. <-- yea, sec doing glxinfo | grep dire |
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| 06:04.04 | liable | _ph00: you think its not problem, but it *is* annoying, and your response is even more so, if you want help in irc especially. most people are polite enough to remove leading *annoyances* from there nicks |
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| 06:04.09 | Azio | Direct Rendering: No |
| 06:04.10 | Azio | :DD |
| 06:04.11 | Halitherses | what is a good package for playing an avi file besides xine and totem? |
| 06:04.19 | Azio | Take it thats the problem then |
| 06:04.32 | ArrenLex | Azio: indeed. What card, what drivers? |
| 06:04.38 | liable | Azio: you got libgl1-mesa-dri? |
| 06:04.43 | Azio | let me run lspci :D |
| 06:04.52 | Azio | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) |
| 06:05.09 | Azio | yes |
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| 06:05.14 | Azio | but i only just recently installed it (i think) |
| 06:05.15 | ArrenLex | .....I think you have like the first card ATI ever made. Ever. o_o |
| 06:05.17 | Azio | should i restart X |
| 06:05.20 | Azio | ArrenLex ;-) |
| 06:05.22 | Azio | Its my cluster |
| 06:05.25 | Azio | im a poor bastard |
| 06:05.27 | Azio | :) |
| 06:05.39 | Azio | let me restartX |
| 06:05.40 | stainlessmice | 3d rage pro plus |
| 06:05.41 | Azio | just incase |
| 06:05.54 | stainlessmice | older than you |
| 06:05.59 | stainlessmice | yours |
| 06:06.05 | Azio | :D ok |
| 06:06.09 | liable | wah! triple J server seems to have disappeared :( |
| 06:06.17 | Azio | i dont feel entirely inferior then :) |
| 06:06.27 | stainlessmice | JJJ |
| 06:06.36 | liable | sakroot: turn that off please |
| 06:06.39 | Azio | ok box not happy it seems |
| 06:06.40 | Azio | lol |
| 06:06.53 | Azio | wow i need to reset it |
| 06:07.05 | liable | stainlessmice: you say poh-tah-to, i say pa-ta-to :P |
| 06:07.16 | stainlessmice | ??? |
| 06:07.24 | stainlessmice | potato? |
| 06:07.27 | Azio | lol |
| 06:07.28 | liable | nevermind... |
| 06:07.31 | Azio | hahaha |
| 06:07.33 | stainlessmice | tomato? |
| 06:07.42 | liable | !slap stainlessmice |
| 06:07.42 | Azio | well, its both |
| 06:07.45 | stainlessmice | ba ga lo |
| 06:07.55 | Azio | you say lawl, i say lol. |
| 06:07.56 | Azio | :D |
| 06:08.07 | liable | i say haha :P |
| 06:08.22 | Azio | dudes i cant believe it :D |
| 06:08.30 | Azio | ctrl + c killed X and my box |
| 06:08.31 | Azio | :( |
| 06:08.47 | liable | !dict dude |
| 06:08.48 | stainlessmice | the damn law was dead, not here |
| 06:08.49 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dude' (2): a man who is much concerned with his dress and appearance ;; Dude \Dude\, n. A kind of dandy; especially, one characterized by an ultrafashionable style of dress and other affectations. [Recent]. |
| 06:08.55 | liable | i take offence :P |
| 06:09.05 | Azio | [drm] failed to load kernel module "mach64" |
| 06:09.05 | Azio | (EE) ATI(0): [dri] DRIScreenInit Failed |
| 06:09.07 | Azio | :D |
| 06:09.10 | Azio | thanks guys |
| 06:09.11 | ArrenLex | !dict debian |
| 06:09.13 | Azio | I assume this is why its off |
| 06:09.15 | dpkg | Dictionary 'debian' (1 of 7): Home (http://www.debian.org/).. |
| 06:09.29 | Azio | DRI = direct rendering interface? |
| 06:09.31 | ArrenLex | Aw, that wasn't amusing at all. |
| 06:09.35 | ArrenLex | Azio: yes. |
| 06:09.38 | Azio | damn |
| 06:09.39 | Azio | :D |
| 06:09.46 | Azio | ive just patched this machine to migshm too.. |
| 06:09.46 | Azio | :D |
| 06:09.52 | Azio | its weird liable |
| 06:10.01 | stainlessmice | was ATI game-over? |
| 06:10.18 | Azio | game-over? |
| 06:10.35 | Azio | ArrenLex whats weird is lspci shows the ati card module quite happily loaded, |
| 06:10.38 | stainlessmice | finished |
| 06:10.39 | Azio | dontcha think thats a bit weird? |
| 06:11.13 | ArrenLex | Azio: AFAIK lspci doesn't show modules at all. o_O Do you mean lsmod? |
| 06:11.40 | Azio | no im just being retarded |
| 06:11.41 | Azio | thanks dude |
| 06:11.42 | Azio | :) |
| 06:11.55 | stainlessmice | :) |
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| 06:12.10 | Azio | im getting closer i guess.. But didnt expect after getting it to compile cleanly to reinstall a driver in the kernel :) lol. |
| 06:12.24 | Azio | at least I have you, my amd puppy |
| 06:12.39 | ArrenLex | I don't think you need to compile anything. You just need to figure out what settings are causing you trouble. |
| 06:12.49 | aGee | !pastebin |
| 06:12.50 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/, or if you want to upload an entire file, you can use http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 06:12.50 | liable | as long as it doent go further than fatherly pats, thats ok :P |
| 06:13.03 | ArrenLex | I also wonder why the hell you want to get 3D acceleration on a card that's little more advanced than Pablo Picasso's. |
| 06:13.10 | Azio | ROFL |
| 06:13.16 | Azio | ArrenLex 3dmosmon: |
| 06:13.22 | Azio | I running a 10 node supercomputer |
| 06:13.24 | Azio | for a production test |
| 06:13.37 | Azio | I *really* want work to see a nice openGL display |
| 06:13.41 | liable | 10 node supercomputer? |
| 06:13.43 | Azio | 3d load monitor :D |
| 06:13.45 | Azio | yessir |
| 06:13.50 | stainlessmice | blade server? |
| 06:13.50 | Azio | 600mhz x 10 |
| 06:13.53 | Azio | lol blade.. |
| 06:13.55 | Azio | im poor |
| 06:13.56 | liable | hehe |
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| 06:14.18 | ArrenLex | Azio: what driver are you trying to use? |
| 06:14.33 | Azio | ArrenLex: i'll be honest, im not sure if i compiled the support in or not |
| 06:14.38 | liable | i'm poor too, and i couldnt afford 10 boxen running in my appartment :( |
| 06:14.40 | Azio | just jumping into make menuconfig now |
| 06:14.44 | Azio | liable :) |
| 06:14.49 | Azio | i have special allowances |
| 06:14.51 | Azio | heh |
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| 06:14.54 | ArrenLex | Azio: you compiled your own kernel? |
| 06:14.59 | Azio | hell yeah |
| 06:15.01 | Azio | i have to |
| 06:15.05 | Azio | its an openmosix migshm |
| 06:15.06 | liable | Azio: so you steal electricity? :P |
| 06:15.14 | Azio | (supercomputing, shared memory) |
| 06:15.16 | Azio | :D |
| 06:15.40 | stainlessmice | ATI RAGE Chip = no OGL |
| 06:15.42 | itchi | heh, i have 8 boxes here, i not tell how many are P1 :-p |
| 06:15.53 | Azio | :) |
| 06:15.57 | Azio | aww shit stainlessmice |
| 06:16.00 | Azio | no kiddin |
| 06:16.03 | itchi | Also one of 486 ;-) |
| 06:16.06 | Azio | hmm |
| 06:16.13 | Azio | im tempted to put my gf4 in it now. :D |
| 06:16.20 | Azio | i need a pretty 3d load readout :D |
| 06:16.21 | liable | i thought rage is r300??? |
| 06:16.31 | mynullvoid | what does it mean by this: mail:/etc/postfix/ssl# openssl rsa -in newreq.pem -out newreq.pem.out |
| 06:16.31 | mynullvoid | unable to load Private Key |
| 06:16.31 | mynullvoid | 22472:error:0906D06C:PEM routines:PEM_read_bio:no start line:pem_lib.c:644:Expecting: ANY PRIVATE KEY |
| 06:16.47 | stainlessmice | nVidia TNT = OGL |
| 06:17.06 | Azio | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc 3D Rage Pro AGP 1X/2X (rev 5c) |
| 06:17.09 | Azio | no opengl? |
| 06:17.10 | Azio | :< |
| 06:17.14 | stainlessmice | hehe |
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| 06:17.22 | stainlessmice | me either |
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| 06:17.40 | liable | mynullvoid: try a mail channel (if you get no help here) |
| 06:17.44 | liable | mail is hard |
| 06:17.45 | Azio | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7200&page=3 |
| 06:17.46 | Azio | interesting |
| 06:17.51 | liable | !be a email barbie |
| 06:17.52 | dpkg | Aww, email is HARD! Let's go shopping, liable |
| 06:17.56 | mynullvoid | liable I had asked in postfix |
| 06:17.59 | itchi | lol |
| 06:18.02 | simonrvn | mynullvoid: specify the private key to read from |
| 06:18.07 | aGee | can anyone tell me what's the problem of this: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3899 |
| 06:18.10 | itchi | an blonde or an brown?? |
| 06:18.23 | stainlessmice | at least, ATI RAGE II+ (PCI) = no OpenGL |
| 06:18.29 | Azio | ahh |
| 06:18.32 | Azio | i found a brilliant howto |
| 06:18.35 | Azio | stainlessmice :D ok |
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| 06:18.40 | Azio | checkout http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?s=5e239c1571cc8ff89eee87b34a19c4d2&t=7200 |
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| 06:18.43 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: sample? |
| 06:18.47 | liable | eww |
| 06:18.49 | itchi | stainlessmice: Have you 3D? |
| 06:19.06 | simonrvn | mynullvoid: uh, none offhand but easily findable in its help |
| 06:19.09 | aGee | liable: you were the who's helping me earlier, check that link |
| 06:19.16 | stainlessmice | now? of course |
| 06:19.31 | itchi | oeg it's aGee i meaned |
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| 06:19.53 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: I just msg you the error I get |
| 06:19.57 | aGee | itchi: what? |
| 06:19.59 | stainlessmice | ggggggggggggggforce |
| 06:20.05 | Azio | Hestia:~# sudo modprobe -v mach64 |
| 06:20.05 | Azio | modprobe: Can't locate module mach64 |
| 06:20.05 | simonrvn | newreq.pem is not the file you want |
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| 06:20.19 | itchi | aGee: About your error, have you been 3D? |
| 06:20.29 | Azio | yeaa donmt blame yuou |
| 06:20.39 | aGee | itchi: what you mean have i been 3d? |
| 06:20.40 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: I just try what is mentioned : http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2940.html |
| 06:20.44 | liable | aGee: whats the install file for? |
| 06:20.56 | mynullvoid | simonrvn: but my real problem is as what I msg you |
| 06:21.00 | itchi | aGee: Yes, is 3D working? |
| 06:21.01 | aGee | liable: starcraft |
| 06:21.09 | aGee | itchi: on wine or? |
| 06:21.10 | itchi | Nice game |
| 06:21.14 | simonrvn | newreq shouldn't be used. that way... whomever wrote that is full of it |
| 06:21.15 | itchi | aGee: In general |
| 06:21.28 | aGee | itchi: yes, im on gnome and everything works |
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| 06:21.47 | liable | aGee: oh, ok, i am amazingly defecient in most things '3d', i think i am not much help for you. try #wine-hq |
| 06:21.47 | simonrvn | it's telling you what it needs |
| 06:21.48 | aGee | and i use gimp for graphics design |
| 06:22.28 | stainlessmice | ati rage = no opengl = no 3d |
| 06:22.43 | stainlessmice | ati rage = mach64 = no opengl = no 3d |
| 06:22.43 | simonrvn | brb |
| 06:22.46 | Azio | :D |
| 06:22.48 | Azio | ok |
| 06:22.52 | Azio | i feel owned. |
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| 06:22.57 | Azio | thanks for your help guys |
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| 06:23.06 | stainlessmice | ..... |
| 06:23.15 | itchi | Just tryed nexuiz, realy crazy and funny |
| 06:23.17 | Azio | stainlessmice thats a big resounding thanks from me :D |
| 06:23.25 | Azio | And im not being sarcastic in anyway, you've been really helpful |
| 06:23.27 | itchi | Cool OSS community :-) |
| 06:23.44 | Azio | thanks liable also |
| 06:23.50 | stainlessmice | is the community still alive? |
| 06:23.57 | Azio | thanks ArrenLex :) |
| 06:24.04 | ArrenLex | Sorry I couldn't help more. |
| 06:24.09 | Azio | naww im retarded, i get it |
| 06:24.11 | Azio | :D |
| 06:24.11 | itchi | stainlessmice: I mean the open source world |
| 06:24.18 | ArrenLex | I could have been more help if you'd had an ATI card invented this century. |
| 06:24.18 | stainlessmice | hahaha |
| 06:24.19 | liable | peterS: ping. why is cplay noticibly quieter than say, mplayer? |
| 06:24.30 | ArrenLex | I myself went over all the docs in copious detail trying to get my own to work. |
| 06:24.40 | Azio | ahh really. :( |
| 06:24.41 | ArrenLex | ...and failed. But that's another matter. |
| 06:24.44 | ArrenLex | ATI != Linux. |
| 06:24.56 | peterS | liable: cplay doesn't do direct audio output. so this is really a question about mpg321 or ogg123 or whatever frontend handles the file you're trying to play |
| 06:25.00 | stainlessmice | ATI = game over |
| 06:25.03 | Azio | ahhhhh |
| 06:25.13 | Azio | nvidia nv30 it is |
| 06:25.15 | ArrenLex | Azio: any of your 10 boxes have an nvidia card? |
| 06:25.16 | ArrenLex | YAY! |
| 06:25.18 | Azio | ;) |
| 06:25.22 | stainlessmice | ATI = TSMC |
| 06:25.24 | Azio | i have a spare nv30 |
| 06:25.28 | mynullvoid | anyone can assist: http://paste.debian.net/14041 |
| 06:25.29 | itchi | My Ati 9600SE work nice here :-) |
| 06:25.33 | Azio | too bad the machine has 3 boxes on top of it!! |
| 06:25.39 | Azio | :( clusters are no good today . lol |
| 06:25.48 | Azio | not when they are dell optiplex gx1' |
| 06:25.50 | Azio | :D |
| 06:26.04 | ArrenLex | itchi: hold on, what's the lspci on that? |
| 06:26.26 | itchi | 01:00.1 Display controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV350 AQ [Radeon 9600] (Secondary) |
| 06:26.27 | peterS | liable: mplayer, or any other audio player, can arbitrarily amplify or quiet a digital signal during the decoding process. I don't use mplayer so I can't confirm whether it _does_ this for the files I have, or not |
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| 06:26.45 | itchi | Work great here |
| 06:26.49 | ArrenLex | Crap. 370 for me. Seems it makes all the difference. |
| 06:26.57 | ArrenLex | Itchi: what driver? Are you getting 3d accel? |
| 06:27.12 | wild_pollock | anyone got a link to a fast mirror for the debian etch netinstall? |
| 06:27.19 | Azio | <stainlessmice> ati rage = mach64 = no opengl = no 3d |
| 06:27.20 | wild_pollock | !netinstall |
| 06:27.21 | dpkg | methinks netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 06:27.24 | itchi | Sure i have 3D :-) Did like dpkg the bot tell to do (/msg dpkg ati) |
| 06:27.34 | Azio | stainlessmice: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=7200&page=3 |
| 06:27.36 | liable | peterS: heh, thanks, (didnt expect an answer immediately :) mpg321 has no dotfile, so where do i alter this? |
| 06:27.36 | itchi | ArrenLex: With m-a |
| 06:27.38 | ArrenLex | itchi: with what driver? |
| 06:27.40 | Azio | how come this article says otherwise about 3da |
| 06:27.42 | Azio | :> |
| 06:27.47 | Azio | are they really as stupid as me?! gee |
| 06:27.48 | itchi | ArrenLex: fglrx you mean?? |
| 06:27.56 | ArrenLex | itchi: ah. Yes, that's what I mean. |
| 06:28.05 | peterS | liable: honestly I don't know all that much about mpg321. if more information isn't in the manpage I don't know where to find it |
| 06:28.05 | wols_ | ArrenLex: the only driver with 3D for your card is fglrx |
| 06:28.08 | itchi | ArrenLex: Are there some other drivers or so? |
| 06:28.11 | stainlessmice | am I wrong? |
| 06:28.18 | Azio | stainlessmice im not brave enough to say that, yet. |
| 06:28.19 | ArrenLex | itchi: I can't use fglrx. Although it does give me 3D acceleration, my computer freezes for two seconds when I access xvideo sometimes, and that's super annoying. |
| 06:28.27 | liable | peterS: k, ta |
| 06:28.30 | ArrenLex | itchi: there are several. ati, radeon, and fglrx. |
| 06:28.35 | itchi | ArrenLex: Yeah that's sad :-/ |
| 06:28.52 | Azio | http://www.openmosixview.com/loadmeter/ |
| 06:28.54 | Azio | hahahaha ^ |
| 06:28.57 | itchi | ArrenLex: hhhmm, not yet have try these others, doh |
| 06:29.13 | Azio | its a robot loadmeter. how cool is that |
| 06:29.22 | ArrenLex | Wow. xD |
| 06:29.29 | stainlessmice | ??? |
| 06:29.38 | ArrenLex | I tried to install openmosix when I was trying to make a blender farm out of my old computers. |
| 06:29.41 | Azio | i just thought that was really quite clever |
| 06:29.45 | ArrenLex | But I ended up just writing a blender farm in bash. |
| 06:29.56 | Azio | ooh blender farm.. |
| 06:30.09 | Azio | A friend of mine from nintendo asked me to make him a maya7farm |
| 06:30.13 | itchi | How can we see which drivers exist? |
| 06:30.13 | Azio | haha that turned out badly. |
| 06:30.18 | Azio | with a very large bill , actually.. :< |
| 06:30.21 | ArrenLex | Why? |
| 06:30.22 | liable | okie, has a -g switch |
| 06:30.28 | stainlessmice | you could install openmosix on the $99 cheap small pc |
| 06:30.28 | Azio | ArrenLex: the usual, pathetic user |
| 06:30.29 | Azio | :) |
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| 06:30.48 | ArrenLex | Azio: what happen? Somebody set up us the bomb? |
| 06:30.52 | wols_ | stainlessmice: wgat $99 small pcß |
| 06:30.53 | wols_ | ? |
| 06:30.53 | Azio | yeahh basically |
| 06:31.00 | Azio | the licensing was too expensive |
| 06:31.09 | ArrenLex | Oh. |
| 06:31.13 | Azio | and maya was more than upset with the cards i was using |
| 06:31.14 | ArrenLex | Yay blender freeness! |
| 06:31.21 | Azio | yes, blender is free. |
| 06:31.23 | Azio | BUT BUT BUT |
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| 06:31.28 | Azio | you know what im going to say. |
| 06:31.32 | Azio | It involves bankrupcy lol |
| 06:32.01 | stainlessmice | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6372429785.html |
| 06:32.04 | mynullvoid | hmmm |
| 06:32.13 | stainlessmice | crappppppppp |
| 06:32.16 | Azio | oh wow |
| 06:32.31 | ArrenLex | Maya: What? What is this? Is this some kind of brick? |
| 06:32.31 | ArrenLex | ATI card: No! I'm a video card! |
| 06:32.31 | ArrenLex | Maya: No, I've seen a video card, I'm pretty sure they're not made of wood. |
| 06:32.31 | ArrenLex | ATI card: Don't hate me just because metal wasn't invented when I was made. |
| 06:32.31 | ArrenLex | Maya: ...oh god, the things I have to put up with. |
| 06:32.31 | *** kick/#debian [ArrenLex!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 06:32.32 | Azio | i bet those babies would get hot in a rack ;-) |
| 06:32.47 | Azio | ROFL |
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| 06:32.57 | Azio | ArrenLex i know its sad :< |
| 06:33.06 | ArrenLex | ...</flood> o_o |
| 06:33.09 | stainlessmice | lol |
| 06:33.12 | Azio | about the only thing i can do with this cluster is crack md5's |
| 06:33.14 | Azio | sigh.. |
| 06:33.14 | stainlessmice | "hot" |
| 06:33.15 | ArrenLex | Did everyone get all that? xD It kind of... kicked me. |
| 06:33.16 | karsten | !lol |
| 06:33.17 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
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| 06:33.32 | Azio | oh my gawd karsten |
| 06:33.33 | karsten | ArrenLex: Use the paster site. |
| 06:33.47 | ArrenLex | karsten: but I wasn't pasting. I was just pressing shift enter as I wrote it. |
| 06:33.51 | Azio | starting to feel like quakenet again. |
| 06:33.57 | Azio | :P |
| 06:34.04 | wols_ | stainlessmice: nice. too bad it has no 2nd ethernet .( |
| 06:34.20 | stainlessmice | see the other models |
| 06:34.27 | karsten | ArrenLex: Dig. I think the threshold's four lines/second. I occasionally hit that just w/ standard posts, particularly on a laggy connection. |
| 06:34.31 | stainlessmice | they have |
| 06:34.43 | Azio | karsten im sure your a nice guy, but the whole "lol sounds like an aol user" is pretty lame to me? :< maybe im an aol user? lol. :P |
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| 06:35.03 | karsten | Azio: Local culture, or lack thereof. Deal with it ;-) |
| 06:35.10 | Azio | yeah okk :) |
| 06:35.17 | ArrenLex | An AOL user, eh? |
| 06:35.23 | Azio | Im seriously not. |
| 06:35.32 | Azio | ive only been online a decade or so |
| 06:35.35 | stainlessmice | is the AOL user a dummy? |
| 06:35.40 | ArrenLex | Give me something you've searched for recently and I'll send you a nice gift =P |
| 06:35.48 | Azio | well im proof alone, you don't have to be an aol user to be completely stupid. |
| 06:35.58 | Azio | you are accusing me of using shawcable? |
| 06:35.59 | liable | qotd page still offline :( |
| 06:36.00 | karsten | Azio: Get in line ... |
| 06:36.00 | Azio | :( |
| 06:36.02 | stainlessmice | COL > AOL |
| 06:36.03 | Azio | the insults. |
| 06:36.13 | Azio | im in the UK, so I can't be . :) |
| 06:36.15 | stainlessmice | Chicks OnLine |
| 06:36.18 | ArrenLex | What do you have against Shaw? |
| 06:36.39 | Azio | karsten you get to wish anything you like, because you gline people you don't get on with :) |
| 06:36.41 | stainlessmice | Shaw? |
| 06:36.44 | wols_ | karsten: would make it easire to set the banmask? |
| 06:36.47 | liable | karsten: there is, the usa seems to have it |
| 06:36.51 | karsten | ArrenLex: Nothing, if you're asking me. Other than occasional sh*t-headedness, but not much worse than other residential broadband. |
| 06:36.54 | karsten | wols_: ?? |
| 06:36.56 | Azio | im assuming that karsten meant shawcable when he said shaw :D |
| 06:36.56 | ArrenLex | I like this channel. If you say something even slightly off-topic in #ubuntu the mods are all like YOU ARE OFF TOPIC, SPAWN OF SATAN, DIE *ban* |
| 06:37.00 | ArrenLex | And I'm like, *cower* |
| 06:37.06 | karsten | Azio: I gline nobody. |
| 06:37.08 | Azio | ArrenLex: I really hate that. :< |
| 06:37.17 | wols_ | karsten: to ban all the stupid people obviously. no more sundays! |
| 06:37.19 | Azio | karsten: oh , kline? :P |
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| 06:37.24 | karsten | Azio: That neither. |
| 06:37.32 | Azio | karsten: sorry :( |
| 06:37.33 | liable | ArrenLex: we can be like that on occasions, depends on the day i guess and how OT you are |
| 06:37.36 | Azio | its my turn to cower now |
| 06:37.48 | karsten | Azio: ... but I know people who know people, know what I mean? |
| 06:37.52 | Azio | yea |
| 06:37.59 | stainlessmice | o.o |
| 06:38.01 | ArrenLex | I know people who know people too! :D |
| 06:38.01 | Azio | like people at shawcable for instance? :O |
| 06:38.06 | karsten | Azio: Heh. |
| 06:38.12 | Azio | i happen to know people who know people at shawcable too |
| 06:38.14 | Azio | who run as 3344 |
| 06:38.16 | stainlessmice | I know the sheet |
| 06:38.19 | Azio | they call me retards too funnily enough |
| 06:38.20 | Azio | :D |
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| 06:38.41 | sanabriamusic | man why it has to be so hard to set sound on debian |
| 06:38.42 | wols_ | karsten: are you the guy who drapes the horse heads on people's pillows or the one who physically makes something happen to someplace. after all you know people as you said :) |
| 06:38.49 | Azio | lol |
| 06:38.57 | stainlessmice | 2266 > 3344 |
| 06:38.58 | Azio | oh im sorry, karsten, heh. |
| 06:38.59 | liable | sanabriamusic: and your actual problem is? |
| 06:39.00 | ArrenLex | sanabria: what's the problem? |
| 06:39.06 | wols_ | !hard |
| 06:39.06 | dpkg | Yes. It's hard. |
| 06:39.07 | sanabriamusic | my sound rumbles |
| 06:39.07 | Azio | still cowering here tbh |
| 06:39.11 | ArrenLex | OMG XD |
| 06:39.14 | ArrenLex | And your bot RULES! |
| 06:39.15 | liable | rumbles? |
| 06:39.17 | Azio | !help |
| 06:39.18 | karsten | wols_: Horses heads? What horses heads? I've never seen one in my life. No idea what you're talking about. |
| 06:39.22 | sanabriamusic | like...... |
| 06:39.22 | Azio | :< |
| 06:39.26 | sanabriamusic | thunder |
| 06:39.46 | ArrenLex | sana: stop hitting the computer? |
| 06:39.47 | wols_ | karsten: what do you do with them, after say a wekk? |
| 06:39.48 | liable | sanabriamusic: distorted? |
| 06:39.52 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:39.56 | sanabriamusic | yeah distorted |
| 06:39.59 | karsten | wols_: The require remarkably little feed. |
| 06:40.07 | sanabriamusic | a music cd sounds ok but not pc sound |
| 06:40.15 | wols_ | karsten: but they start to smell a bit aftre some time I'd guess? |
| 06:40.16 | Azio | http://www.linuxdevices.com/news/NS6372429785.html would make a great cheap shell |
| 06:40.19 | Azio | or (dedi) |
| 06:40.21 | stainlessmice | "horse head" = the duck |
| 06:40.21 | karsten | wols_: However, after leading them to water, the last thing they're going to do is drink. |
| 06:40.31 | liable | sanabriamusic: is that what you mean? its just distotrted? like turned up too load for the speakers? |
| 06:40.32 | karsten | wols_: Horses can't smell w/o heads. |
| 06:40.36 | karsten | wols_: ... and noses. |
| 06:40.39 | Azio | LOL |
| 06:40.46 | sanabriamusic | i tried turning it down |
| 06:40.49 | Azio | karsten and a smell() function? |
| 06:40.50 | Azio | :P |
| 06:41.04 | sanabriamusic | i changed settings in the control center |
| 06:41.05 | karsten | Azio: It's object-oriented, depends on a head() class. |
| 06:41.08 | liable | sanabriamusic: with what app? |
| 06:41.08 | wols_ | karsten: but you can. and I'm sure the rest of the horse (sans head) smells a little pungent to your nose I'd guess |
| 06:41.09 | Azio | hehe |
| 06:41.11 | sanabriamusic | i loaded alsa drivers |
| 06:41.17 | liable | sanabriamusic: try alsamixer |
| 06:41.19 | karsten | sanabriamusic: Have you set mixer levels? alsamixer / aumix? |
| 06:41.22 | sanabriamusic | i even ended up reinstalling debian |
| 06:41.24 | Azio | karsten: got me there |
| 06:41.29 | sanabriamusic | doesnt it want rts? |
| 06:41.35 | sanabriamusic | i tried that too |
| 06:41.37 | liable | sanabriamusic: you reinstalled because of sound? |
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| 06:41.42 | sanabriamusic | yep |
| 06:41.49 | ArrenLex | sana: tried re-running alsaconf? |
| 06:41.50 | wols_ | liable: probably a windows migrater |
| 06:41.53 | sanabriamusic | and because of screen resolution but that is fixed |
| 06:41.55 | karsten | wols_: You sure you want to be having this conversation here and now? |
| 06:42.00 | sanabriamusic | yeah i tried alsaconf |
| 06:42.12 | sanabriamusic | right now i dont have any alsa since reinstalled but |
| 06:42.16 | sanabriamusic | tried everything with alsa |
| 06:42.17 | dejavu_ | lol |
| 06:42.32 | liable | sanabriamusic: so, you have turned down master an co down in alsamixer? |
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| 06:42.41 | Azio | http://www.openmosixview.com/omblaster/omblaster1.gif |
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| 06:42.46 | sanabriamusic | hm |
| 06:42.46 | Azio | ^ the worlds first supercomputer game? |
| 06:42.55 | Azio | im having a lot of fun with om |
| 06:42.56 | sanabriamusic | i guess i hva to put alsa in again and try that |
| 06:43.01 | wols_ | karsten: I'm just debating with myself if the airfare is currently high enough and if german customs vigilant enough to notice horseheads. You are located in the US right? |
| 06:43.05 | karsten | sanabriamusic: That's a tad extreme. |
| 06:43.18 | sanabriamusic | yeah tell me about it |
| 06:43.19 | karsten | wols_: Last I checked, horses heads weren't considered a liquid. |
| 06:43.28 | karsten | wols_: ... and they'd definiately count as carrion. |
| 06:43.38 | liable | wols_: we are all (well almost) windows migrators.. :) |
| 06:43.55 | liable | mmmm, carrion.. |
| 06:43.59 | wols_ | karsten: but horse head bearers might count as enemy combattants |
| 06:44.00 | sanabriamusic | u never had a liquid horse karsten? |
| 06:44.05 | sanabriamusic | what world do u live in |
| 06:44.07 | Azio | bah at this rate i could write a mosix load monitor faster in php |
| 06:44.08 | Azio | lmao |
| 06:44.12 | sanabriamusic | what is a liquid horse? |
| 06:44.16 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:44.18 | Azio | lol liquid horse. |
| 06:44.21 | wols_ | karsten: yes it's easy. put head in mixer, press button: instant liquid horse |
| 06:44.28 | Azio | heh |
| 06:44.28 | sanabriamusic | hahaha |
| 06:44.30 | sanabriamusic | good one |
| 06:44.31 | dejavu_ | liguid horse? |
| 06:44.34 | karsten | wols_: I offer you my rebranded fish-o-matic. |
| 06:44.46 | sanabriamusic | better yet try it with blender |
| 06:44.48 | Azio | liquid horse |
| 06:44.51 | sanabriamusic | and i dont mean 3d |
| 06:44.55 | Azio | lol... |
| 06:44.58 | Azio | :( |
| 06:45.09 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:45.11 | sanabriamusic | good idea |
| 06:45.13 | kristalino | does anyone here use tinyerp ? |
| 06:45.15 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 06:45.16 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 06:45.19 | liable | hrm, was going to mention that |
| 06:45.23 | wols_ | liquid horses are on topic here? |
| 06:45.32 | liable | atm, yes |
| 06:45.37 | karsten | wols_: Definitionally, yes. |
| 06:45.44 | sanabriamusic | yeah liquid horses is the newest thing |
| 06:45.46 | Azio | arm is on the uptake then |
| 06:45.46 | sanabriamusic | for some |
| 06:45.46 | dejavu_ | liguid horse? = rotate horse? |
| 06:45.47 | Azio | :D |
| 06:45.57 | sanabriamusic | i lived in liquid horse for years |
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| 06:46.03 | tarzeau | wols_: also www.linuks.mine.nu/pony.jpg |
| 06:46.05 | sanabriamusic | wahts liquid horse again? |
| 06:46.07 | Azio | mmm liquid horse |
| 06:46.08 | liable | ok, time to stop! |
| 06:46.18 | karsten | sanabriamusic: A horse. That's liquid. |
| 06:46.22 | dejavu_ | wow |
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| 06:46.30 | sanabriamusic | i seen a liquid cat once in the street tho |
| 06:46.32 | liable | only 80% or so |
| 06:46.35 | karsten | Liquid horses on a Plane. |
| 06:46.41 | aGee | how do i know what drivers my vidcard's using? |
| 06:46.42 | Azio | the popcon data is very interesting |
| 06:46.43 | sanabriamusic | on a plane? |
| 06:46.47 | wols_ | sanabriamusic: some dangerous chemical whcih might be used to detonate planes in flight obviosuly |
| 06:46.49 | sanabriamusic | ohhhh u should have said so |
| 06:46.52 | dejavu_ | why not solid? |
| 06:47.06 | sanabriamusic | oh so u cant mount them? |
| 06:47.08 | wols_ | Azio: usually I look at xfree86.org or x.org for their docs |
| 06:47.12 | karsten | aGee: less /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:47.15 | sanabriamusic | or give them water? |
| 06:47.18 | liable | aGee: XORG/XFREE.LOG WILL TELL YOU |
| 06:47.27 | liable | OOPS |
| 06:47.33 | jetscreamer | grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 06:47.33 | karsten | aGee: ... or XFree86.0.log |
| 06:47.36 | liable | meh, stupid fat fingers |
| 06:47.41 | Azio | wols_ thanks, i dont recall saying much about xfree86 for sometime ;D |
| 06:47.41 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:47.51 | Azio | sure you meant me mr wols_? |
| 06:47.59 | dejavu_ | xfree86 > xorg? |
| 06:48.03 | Azio | lies |
| 06:48.11 | wols_ | Azio: sarge still uses it and xorg's docs are worse in that regard imho |
| 06:48.13 | dejavu_ | x_x |
| 06:48.15 | sanabriamusic | am gonna try alsa drivers again be back later....and in the mean time read up on liquid horses |
| 06:48.17 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:48.17 | wols_ | dejavu_: other way around |
| 06:48.19 | Azio | wols_ :) |
| 06:48.27 | Azio | aye |
| 06:48.34 | Azio | somebody kept on saying omg xming have you used it |
| 06:48.38 | Azio | i gave in eventually due to pressure |
| 06:48.51 | sanabriamusic | perhaps liquid cowboys would come up on google |
| 06:48.52 | liable | peer slut! |
| 06:48.53 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 06:49.24 | sanabriamusic | out and awayyyy...alsa here i come |
| 06:49.26 | aGee | thanks |
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| 06:49.46 | Azio | ati's site is completely useles |
| 06:49.47 | Azio | lol |
| 06:49.57 | dejavu_ | *sigh, gooole is removed from my internet |
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| 06:50.21 | liable | .cn? |
| 06:50.26 | dejavu_ | mmm |
| 06:50.28 | jair | mplayer! |
| 06:50.30 | dejavu_ | the same |
| 06:50.36 | jair | !mplayer |
| 06:50.36 | dpkg | i guess mplayer is not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 06:50.40 | Azio | eh? google is removed from your internet? |
| 06:50.48 | dejavu_ | yep |
| 06:50.49 | liable | jair: /msg the bot dude |
| 06:50.55 | Azio | dejavu_: surpression of freedom of speech? |
| 06:50.57 | karsten | dejavu_: Taiwan bans Google? |
| 06:51.01 | jair | liable: ok I am sorry |
| 06:51.03 | jair | :) |
| 06:51.04 | dejavu_ | no |
| 06:51.04 | ArrenLex | BTW, what ARE these complicated reasons? |
| 06:51.12 | dejavu_ | I ban it |
| 06:51.18 | liable | wtf |
| 06:51.21 | dejavu_ | hahahahaha |
| 06:51.22 | karsten | dejavu_: Sounds like a personal problem. |
| 06:51.23 | liable | shut up then |
| 06:51.39 | Azio | heh |
| 06:51.40 | dejavu_ | gooole = yahoo = msn = .cn |
| 06:51.48 | dejavu_ | evil |
| 06:51.49 | Azio | eh! |
| 06:51.53 | Azio | what are you on about lad |
| 06:51.54 | Azio | :D |
| 06:52.02 | Azio | sounds like pure twattery :P |
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| 06:52.22 | karsten | Azio: Welcome to Taiwan / PRC political squabbling. |
| 06:52.29 | Azio | hahaha |
| 06:52.32 | Azio | yeah :( |
| 06:52.33 | karsten | Azio: This cost Debian a kernel packager a ways back. |
| 06:52.35 | Azio | my friend lived in .cn |
| 06:52.36 | dejavu_ | the next is: wikipedia |
| 06:52.47 | Azio | karsten no shit? |
| 06:53.02 | Azio | wikipedia hahaha |
| 06:53.03 | karsten | Azio: No shit. Henry Wu? Something like that. |
| 06:53.07 | Azio | yes. :D |
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| 06:53.14 | Azio | long live henry wu :D |
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| 06:53.24 | karsten | Azio: IIRC it was over inclusion of tw data in various i18n packages. |
| 06:53.25 | Azio | didnt he break the great firewall |
| 06:53.29 | dejavu_ | Taiwan is nothing to do with ROC |
| 06:53.36 | dejavu_ | ROC is a zombie |
| 06:53.39 | Azio | karsten: isnt it ironic how governments ban sources of information :P |
| 06:53.40 | dejavu_ | hahahaha |
| 06:53.54 | Azio | its only about one thing though |
| 06:53.55 | karsten | Azio: It's one of their principle and most cherished activities. |
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| 06:54.06 | dejavu_ | kill -9 ROC |
| 06:54.07 | Azio | karsten: you mean the continuity of power? |
| 06:54.08 | Azio | :) |
| 06:54.10 | karsten | Azio: Look to the origins of copyright f'rex. |
| 06:54.14 | Azio | yeah, go figure, id be doing it. |
| 06:54.33 | FBI | Azio: your comments are noted |
| 06:54.37 | Azio | yes |
| 06:54.46 | Azio | i would say go fuck yourself :P |
| 06:54.49 | Azio | but heh. |
| 06:54.51 | Azio | would be too typical |
| 06:54.59 | CIA | liable: Stop interfering in international affairs, that's my baliwick. |
| 06:55.05 | Azio | its dangerous to have an opinion |
| 06:55.08 | dejavu_ | s/fuck/touch |
| 06:55.15 | NSAazio | :D |
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| 06:55.18 | NSAazio | who watches the watchers? |
| 06:55.21 | Azio | :P |
| 06:55.29 | Azio | g'won |
| 06:55.31 | Azio | put on your tin foil hat. |
| 06:55.35 | karsten | Azio: Nielsen families. |
| 06:55.40 | Azio | hahaa |
| 06:55.48 | Azio | dont spose theres an open invite to bilderburg is there? |
| 06:55.48 | Azio | :P |
| 06:56.06 | karsten | Mikmaq: Mi5, Mi6, or ... ? |
| 06:56.25 | Azio | lol |
| 06:56.27 | simonrvn | didn't accept the apostrophe |
| 06:56.29 | dejavu_ | Mi8 |
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| 06:56.45 | Azio | heh |
| 06:56.49 | karsten | !sunday |
| 06:56.50 | dpkg | Sunday is the day all trolls swarm to #debian, avoid at all cost to remain sane. |
| 06:56.54 | Azio | i applied for a job |
| 06:56.57 | Azio | didnt get through clearing |
| 06:57.00 | Azio | :( |
| 06:57.00 | jetscreamer | \o/ |
| 06:57.01 | dejavu_ | ha ha |
| 06:57.05 | Azio | maybe speeding ticket or something |
| 06:57.08 | jetscreamer | !congratulate Azio |
| 06:57.08 | dpkg | Huzzah Azio, you did it! |
| 06:57.13 | Azio | lol |
| 06:57.15 | dejavu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.16 | Azio | !thank jetscreamer |
| 06:57.17 | dpkg | de nada, Azio |
| 06:57.22 | peterS | oooh, it _is_ Sunday. and Mailman Day. |
| 06:57.27 | simonrvn | i blame my record ;p |
| 06:57.30 | karsten | peterS: Point. |
| 06:57.31 | dejavu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.34 | liable | the mailman comes on sunday? |
| 06:57.40 | jetscreamer | teh_wave! |
| 06:57.42 | dejavu_ | sunday is the day of outlaw |
| 06:57.42 | karsten | liable: And rings twice. |
| 06:57.48 | simonrvn | \o\ |
| 06:57.52 | simonrvn | |o| |
| 06:57.55 | dejavu_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:57.55 | simonrvn | /o/ |
| 06:57.56 | karsten | liable: Mailman archives send their reminders on the 1st of the month. |
| 06:57.58 | dejavu_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:58.03 | liable | karsten: he only stuffs things in box, he doesnt knock here |
| 06:58.03 | karsten | liable: s/archives/lists/ |
| 06:58.11 | liable | oh dear |
| 06:58.13 | karsten | liable: Our mailman knocks. |
| 06:58.16 | Azio | well now i know what fglrx is |
| 06:58.17 | peterS | liable: Mailman Day is the day you get reminder emails from all the mailing list servers you're subscribed with that run the 'mailman' software. It sends out a message on the first of each month. like today. |
| 06:58.17 | Azio | lmao. |
| 06:58.21 | karsten | liable: I've tried to get him to user higher octane.... |
| 06:58.27 | peterS | liable: if you're on lots of mailing lists you'll probably get several such notices today |
| 06:58.36 | simonrvn | several? :) |
| 06:59.02 | peterS | simonrvn: I only get 2 per month, but some people get a lot more. |
| 06:59.12 | tarzeau | I HATE THE FUCKING DEBIAN NEW QUEUE |
| 06:59.15 | dejavu_ | do you know a hero called "mailman" in the movie? |
| 06:59.21 | Azio | queue? |
| 06:59.27 | Azio | IO queueing? |
| 06:59.28 | tarzeau | Azio: http://ftp-master.debian.org/new.html |
| 06:59.31 | simonrvn | mailman now is as ubiquitous (pardon my spelling) as majordomo was years ago |
| 06:59.35 | peterS | Azio: no, NEW queue. it's a debian developer thing |
| 06:59.39 | tarzeau | Azio: it's not even FIFO |
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| 06:59.40 | Azio | ahh ok :) |
| 06:59.41 | liable | tarzeau: but it loves you, be gentle, it will grow on you. |
| 06:59.44 | Azio | lmao tarzeau |
| 06:59.45 | simonrvn | !spell ubiquitous |
| 06:59.46 | tarzeau | liable: fuck off |
| 06:59.46 | dpkg | no binary found. |
| 06:59.47 | Azio | thats pretty poor ;\ |
| 06:59.58 | simonrvn | *blink* |
| 06:59.59 | tarzeau | Azio: it's very biased bullshit |
| 07:00.01 | simonrvn | @spell ubiquitous |
| 07:00.05 | Azio | tarzeau yes |
| 07:00.06 | Azio | most things are :( |
| 07:00.09 | liable | tarzeau: aww |
| 07:00.10 | ravenbird | 'ubiquitous' may be spelled correctly |
| 07:00.12 | karsten | tarzeau: I think it's actually classic. |
| 07:00.15 | tarzeau | i hate it even more so for getting bug reports that were fixed by packages in new queue |
| 07:00.18 | karsten | tarzeau: Everything old is new again. |
| 07:00.21 | simonrvn | ravenbird: good morning |
| 07:00.24 | ravenbird | good morning :) |
| 07:00.25 | peterS | Azio: basically, you can't upload a new package to Debian, i.e., a package name that isn't already present, without a manual sanity check by the ftp admins. so your package sits in the NEW queue until one of them has time to look at it. |
| 07:00.27 | crazy_penguin | Good morning! :) |
| 07:00.29 | dejavu_ | morning? |
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| 07:00.32 | tarzeau | karsten: what i hate most is people that file bugs for things fixed in new queue |
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| 07:00.51 | liable | tarzeau: how do average users know whats in new? |
| 07:00.55 | Azio | tarzeau, because its unmaangeable? |
| 07:00.56 | karsten | tarzeau: Deal with it. People file stupid bugs. |
| 07:00.59 | tarzeau | liable: it was vorlon |
| 07:01.05 | liable | tarzeau: point |
| 07:01.08 | tarzeau | Azio: no because it's biased |
| 07:01.13 | Azio | karsten: that reminds me of a certain debian pacman-screensaver bug |
| 07:01.21 | Azio | biased? |
| 07:01.24 | karsten | Azio: ? |
| 07:01.26 | Azio | thats a strong word D: |
| 07:01.48 | Azio | karsten: somebody submitted a bug for one of the screensavers on the debian maintainers bug tracking system |
| 07:01.49 | tarzeau | Azio: so how come compiz gets processed within 200 minutes? |
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| 07:01.56 | tarzeau | Azio: and other stuff hangs for 3 weeks? |
| 07:01.57 | liable | yay JJJ back online |
| 07:01.59 | simonrvn | take it easy... people aren't perfect ... |
| 07:02.00 | karsten | Azio: ... and the bug was? |
| 07:02.01 | tarzeau | Azio: how would you call that? |
| 07:02.08 | liable | meh, no its not |
| 07:02.17 | dejavu_ | JJJ? |
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| 07:02.22 | peterS | karsten: that's not even a stupid bug. it's quite nontrivial to determine that your bug has been fixed by a package in the NEW queue. I would not expect users to go to that much effort. |
| 07:02.23 | dejavu_ | or KKK? |
| 07:02.29 | Azio | karsten: something like "its not even like pacman, ffs. omg.. This is wrong that is wrong, pacman doesnt even die" |
| 07:02.32 | Azio | it got fixed too |
| 07:02.33 | Azio | i wet myself. |
| 07:02.50 | Azio | tarzeau: im not smart enough to realise the implications of that bias |
| 07:02.57 | Azio | tarzeau: but for what its worth, I believe you ;-) |
| 07:02.58 | karsten | peterS: My point exactly. People file stupid bugs. Nontrivially resolved bugs should be more than par for the course. |
| 07:02.59 | tarzeau | Azio: that's fine |
| 07:03.15 | karsten | Azio: Yeah, I've noticed pacman dies now. |
| 07:03.20 | Azio | :-) |
| 07:03.28 | Azio | karsten: yeah it was actually really funny, at first i thought it was a joke |
| 07:03.37 | Azio | karsten: then i realised that the person complaining was *really* serious |
| 07:03.38 | simonrvn | but but ... |
| 07:03.39 | simonrvn | but |
| 07:03.40 | liable | simonrvn: the guitarist! not the runner! :P |
| 07:03.45 | simonrvn | pacman NEVER DIES |
| 07:03.49 | peterS | karsten: now if 'reportbug' were smart enough to check the NEW queue and tell you if there's a new version of the package in question, already pending, that might be a start. but since it doesn't, I don't think it's reasonable for users to do that check themselves |
| 07:04.02 | simonrvn | liable: i guess you missed my subtle pun |
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| 07:04.12 | Azio | heh |
| 07:04.15 | karsten | Azio: I managed a kids computer lab for a while, ran various xscreensavers. Every time pacman came up the kids accused me of playing games. |
| 07:04.17 | Azio | im installing opengl drivers for my ati card |
| 07:04.21 | liable | simonrvn: i am not so subtle a lot of the time :) |
| 07:04.28 | Azio | karsten: cool. |
| 07:04.36 | Azio | karsten: lol. :) |
| 07:04.43 | Gumby | lo all. I am trying to run blootbot in debian unstable. I get the following when trying to run the program " perl IRC connection object does not exist" this, from what I can tell, is provided by libnet-irc-perl, which I have installed yet I still get the error. Google isnt being much help. Anyone have any ideas? |
| 07:04.45 | dejavu_ | heheh, pacman - the best game ever |
| 07:04.55 | Azio | karsten: i might submit a bug saying "omg why cant i play pacman the sceensaver, I have work to do here" |
| 07:05.00 | Azio | :)) |
| 07:05.05 | karsten | peterS: I'd consider that to be a relevant fix. At least check NEW for a likely relevant entry. |
| 07:05.14 | dejavu_ | could pacman run on linux/bsd? |
| 07:05.22 | liable | no way |
| 07:05.31 | simonrvn | in linux emulatioon mode maybe |
| 07:05.35 | karsten | dejavu_: Likely under emulo. |
| 07:05.36 | simonrvn | s,oo,o |
| 07:05.38 | simonrvn | , |
| 07:05.39 | peterS | karsten: the other problem is that there's no way to get at the package in NEW. you can't even see the changelog or anything. so "there is a new version in NEW" only gives you a vague idea of whether your bug is likely to have been fixed |
| 07:05.40 | dejavu_ | too bad |
| 07:05.40 | karsten | dejavu_: But not in TW. |
| 07:06.04 | karsten | peterS: At least it points the submitter to something they should check, *before* wasting the maintainer's time. |
| 07:06.05 | dejavu_ | was pacman patented? |
| 07:06.12 | karsten | dejavu_: No. |
| 07:06.15 | liable | indeed |
| 07:06.23 | karsten | dejavu_: pacman is a ROC propoganda tool. |
| 07:06.24 | simonrvn | peterS: that's a good point |
| 07:06.27 | Azio | interesting :> |
| 07:06.32 | liable | roc? |
| 07:06.34 | Azio | would explain why there were so many versions of it |
| 07:06.40 | simonrvn | republic of china |
| 07:06.44 | peterS | dejavu_: it's possible to copyright literary characters, though. someone who looks and acts like Pac-Man probably infringes a copyright. |
| 07:06.44 | liable | pacman was invented in china? |
| 07:06.45 | karsten | liable: (People's) Republic of China. |
| 07:06.50 | karsten | liable: Everything was. |
| 07:06.52 | Azio | you know you cant use the word "ping" on google adsense |
| 07:06.54 | Azio | *adwords |
| 07:06.56 | dejavu_ | ROC = Republic Of Chaos? |
| 07:07.01 | Azio | because its a "trademark" |
| 07:07.03 | liable | oh dear |
| 07:07.07 | Azio | what a Fucking stupid idea eh? |
| 07:07.09 | Azio | ;( |
| 07:07.09 | simonrvn | nah, the chinese just stole it from us ;p |
| 07:07.24 | peterS | dejavu_: Republic Of China is the official name for Taiwan. as opposed to the People's Republic of China, which is the mainland. |
| 07:07.28 | dejavu_ | chinks |
| 07:07.30 | Azio | loool |
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| 07:07.36 | karsten | simonrvn: I think it's particularly how the chinese stole fireworks from the Americans using time travel to do so. |
| 07:07.39 | Azio | uhh hmm |
| 07:07.41 | simonrvn | dejavu_: -_- |
| 07:07.46 | liable | dejavu_: not neccessary |
| 07:07.47 | Azio | some people consider that offensive dejavu_.. |
| 07:07.50 | Azio | but thats politics. |
| 07:07.53 | Azio | :< |
| 07:07.55 | dejavu_ | ohh |
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| 07:08.07 | simonrvn | no, that's not political, that's racist |
| 07:08.13 | Azio | yeahh that too |
| 07:08.17 | aGee | ok, what about XF86 config, where can i locate that? |
| 07:08.24 | Azio | what im saying is most racism IS POLITICAL ;< |
| 07:08.25 | karsten | aGee: /etc/X11 |
| 07:08.32 | aGee | i know, which one though |
| 07:08.36 | Azio | look at communism |
| 07:08.39 | karsten | aGee: xfree86 or xorg? |
| 07:08.39 | dejavu_ | I bet in 22 century, the word: "chinese" is a bad word too |
| 07:08.43 | liable | dejavu_: in case you dont realise, #debian is, um, not limited by borders or nationality, so such comments arent really appreciated.. |
| 07:08.45 | karsten | Azio: Let's not please. |
| 07:08.50 | Azio | sorry mate |
| 07:08.51 | Azio | :) |
| 07:08.53 | Azio | I won't |
| 07:08.57 | aGee | XF86 |
| 07:08.59 | peterS | at least we've gotten past calling someone a Chinee |
| 07:09.02 | wols_ | Azio: you know about drxx right? |
| 07:09.04 | aGee | XFree86 |
| 07:09.10 | karsten | aGee: /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 |
| 07:09.10 | Azio | wols_ nope |
| 07:09.11 | _ph00 | renaming .img to .iso *does* work (so now we know for sure,) |
| 07:09.13 | simonrvn | dejavu_: we're not living then, we're living now. deal. |
| 07:09.16 | Azio | whats that duder? |
| 07:09.23 | karsten | _ph00: What context? |
| 07:09.24 | dejavu_ | "hey, chinese" "what? are you insulting me? |
| 07:09.25 | simonrvn | sounds like a fucking excuse anyway |
| 07:09.26 | aGee | thanks |
| 07:09.31 | dejavu_ | hahahaha |
| 07:09.33 | Azio | _ph00 lol and it took you all that time to mv my.img my.iso |
| 07:09.34 | Azio | lmao |
| 07:09.34 | wols_ | Azio: grah. don't talk so much so that my nick complete works right! |
| 07:09.38 | wols_ | agee: you know about drxx right? |
| 07:09.45 | Azio | wols_: sorry |
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| 07:09.52 | aGee | wols_: not really |
| 07:10.02 | Azio | what is drxx? |
| 07:10.05 | wols_ | aGee: editing xfree86 configs by hand is a bad idea generally |
| 07:10.09 | wols_ | !tell aGee about drxx |
| 07:10.13 | aGee | i know about that |
| 07:10.14 | aGee | lol |
| 07:10.16 | Azio | some sort of software direct renderer? |
| 07:10.20 | aGee | i thought you was talkin about something else |
| 07:10.30 | Ragnaroek | ?? |
| 07:10.38 | dejavu_ | dfb? |
| 07:10.41 | peterS | it's our preferred shorthand for "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" |
| 07:10.56 | _ph00 | azio, no I did that some time ago, then I started doing something else, and after a while I remembered that maybe ic could be intresting to post the result of the experiment |
| 07:11.05 | Azio | :) ok |
| 07:11.26 | Azio | sheesus, its 8:11am and i havent slept. Im still a hyperactive dyslexic stupid son of a bitch. |
| 07:11.32 | Azio | :D |
| 07:11.55 | Azio | im probably the only person that might fit the lifestyle "hacker" if i wasnt such a damned retard |
| 07:11.59 | karsten | Azio: Do you stay awake wondering if there really is a dog? |
| 07:11.59 | liable | you type well for a dyslexic |
| 07:12.08 | aGee | is GLX the same as glx, i mean, my config says: Load "glx", but the dude i was talkin to said: Load GLX |
| 07:12.09 | dejavu_ | hahaha, good night, SOB |
| 07:12.12 | Azio | liable: yeah.. im kinda weird like that.. I'll never be able to understand it. |
| 07:12.17 | Azio | good night dejavu_ ;o) |
| 07:12.27 | dejavu_ | tks |
| 07:12.28 | Azio | karsten: im the only dog around here *lol |
| 07:12.37 | liable | dawg? |
| 07:12.40 | valdyn | aGee: Load "glx" is correct |
| 07:12.46 | Azio | yes you weed smoking haxxors you |
| 07:12.46 | aGee | valdyn: i see |
| 07:13.04 | Azio | so wols_ you still havent told me what drxx is |
| 07:13.08 | valdyn | aGee: no idea if GLX would work, the file itself is does not contain caps |
| 07:13.16 | Azio | ohh peterS, sorry, i get it now, im being a retard yet agian :P |
| 07:13.33 | Azio | aGee you seem to have the same prob as me :D |
| 07:13.53 | aGee | Azio: no |
| 07:13.59 | dejavu_ | GLX is alternative |
| 07:14.05 | Azio | ahh ok |
| 07:14.07 | aGee | i got this error: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 07:14.13 | Azio | oh :( |
| 07:14.18 | aGee | while wine'ing install.exe |
| 07:14.19 | Azio | apt-cache search opengl | grep glx ? |
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| 07:14.30 | luge | could someone give me a heads up why glibc would need tls? |
| 07:14.50 | aGee | Azio: got that alrady |
| 07:14.52 | dejavu_ | !tls |
| 07:14.53 | dpkg | well, tls is Transport Layer Security (ssl), or Thread-Local Storage, or in polish, TrzyLiterowy Skrot, translated to ThreeLetter Acronym |
| 07:14.54 | aGee | already* |
| 07:14.54 | peterS | luge: do you know what tls is? |
| 07:15.04 | luge | encryption? |
| 07:15.07 | valdyn | aGee: that probably has nothing to do with installed packages anyway. |
| 07:15.25 | peterS | luge: no, in this context it is "thread-local storage" |
| 07:15.28 | valdyn | aGee: now.. which X driver are you using? |
| 07:15.35 | aGee | nv |
| 07:15.38 | aGee | not nvidia |
| 07:15.48 | Makenai | IceeeeWeeeeeezil. |
| 07:15.52 | liable | my luge! |
| 07:15.58 | aGee | coz i think when i tried 'nvidia' it gave me an error |
| 07:16.05 | valdyn | aGee: that driver does not have opengl support at all |
| 07:16.06 | dejavu_ | nv is good, but its ogl sucks |
| 07:16.15 | luge | ah - does tls compete linuxthreads? or nptl? |
| 07:16.15 | peterS | luge: the idea is to reserve one CPU register for use for pointing to an area of memory which is different for each thread in a multithreaded app. most memory is shared between all threads. |
| 07:16.17 | aGee | valdyn: shit, foreal. that's why then |
| 07:16.18 | aGee | :/ |
| 07:16.27 | peterS | luge: I believe NPTL requires TLS |
| 07:16.34 | valdyn | aGee: and since im assuming that you want to play game(s) using wine , you loose =/ |
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| 07:16.58 | aGee | valdyn: it aint no hardcore game foreal, its just starcraft |
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| 07:17.23 | liable | hrm, oo.org is a bit broken atm so it seems |
| 07:17.26 | Azio | Any openmosix users here? |
| 07:17.29 | valdyn | aGee: which gfx card do you have? |
| 07:17.36 | valdyn | aGee: which debian release are you running? |
| 07:17.43 | luge | i compliled glibc without tls and i am getting a huge increase in compile times and just trying to figure out if it good or not - the compiled programs work (like kernel and mplayer) am i missing somehting |
| 07:17.53 | aGee | valdyn: 0000:01:09.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV18 [GeForce4 MX 4000 AGP 8x] (rev c1) |
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| 07:18.16 | peterS | luge: why did you recompile glibc? that's a fairly silly thing to do on Debian |
| 07:18.16 | aGee | valdyn: im on sarge; kernel 2.6.17.8 |
| 07:18.16 | Azio | hmm nv18 eh |
| 07:18.25 | dejavu_ | I thought tls = m$ |
| 07:18.34 | luge | just learning the linuc basics |
| 07:18.46 | valdyn | aGee: ugly, you probably cant use the nvidia-glx from sarge then |
| 07:18.47 | Azio | i got an nv40 here and a ti4200 (thought that was nv30) i really like nvidia cards |
| 07:18.49 | liable | heh, opening calc has given me an identical desktop overlaid over the othet |
| 07:18.53 | peterS | the usual meaning of TLS is 'transport-layer security', a protocol which replaces SSL. but that's not what we're talking about here. |
| 07:19.02 | aGee | valdyn: hoe come? |
| 07:19.05 | aGee | how* |
| 07:20.07 | dejavu_ | so, if someone controled the TLS, he controled the world? |
| 07:20.14 | liable | what else opens a .xls? |
| 07:21.01 | valdyn | liable: gnumeric and oocalc i guess |
| 07:21.13 | dejavu_ | Azio, you have a nice card |
| 07:21.17 | peterS | yeah gnumeric is great for that sort of thing |
| 07:21.23 | liable | valdyn: calc is freaking, will check out gnumeric, ta |
| 07:21.27 | Azio | dejavu_ thanks |
| 07:21.29 | Azio | ive had it a while |
| 07:21.34 | aGee | valdyn: how come? |
| 07:22.00 | Azio | its actually a gainward 2600 ULTRA 6800 GS with full pixel pipelines and vertex shader |
| 07:22.04 | Azio | quite old now ;-) |
| 07:22.04 | peterS | gnumeric is the reason I don't think oo.org needs a calc component at all, at least on Unix |
| 07:22.20 | liable | downloading |
| 07:22.43 | Azio | heh :) yeahh |
| 07:22.47 | Azio | its 2 years old, :D aswell |
| 07:22.50 | liable | whats a good card? |
| 07:22.54 | Azio | the nv40 |
| 07:22.57 | Azio | it is actually.. |
| 07:22.59 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:22.59 | dpkg | nvidia one-liner is probably update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 07:23.00 | Azio | was plagued with lies |
| 07:23.06 | dejavu_ | ohh...my nv32 |
| 07:23.16 | Azio | something to the tune of "onboard video acceleration" |
| 07:23.18 | Azio | what a load of BS |
| 07:23.19 | dejavu_ | wait... nv34 |
| 07:23.27 | Azio | they had to patch it with software, as usual.. |
| 07:23.31 | Azio | so i decided to do my own patching, |
| 07:23.37 | Azio | and installed the quadro software lol. |
| 07:23.44 | Azio | works a treat |
| 07:24.03 | liable | cool |
| 07:24.06 | dejavu_ | gddr3 on it? |
| 07:24.11 | liable | gnumeric works |
| 07:24.11 | Azio | yessir |
| 07:24.15 | dejavu_ | grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr |
| 07:24.21 | Azio | 400mhz/1000 |
| 07:24.22 | Azio | or something |
| 07:24.31 | Azio | i could run it at 500/1200 if i wanted |
| 07:24.36 | Azio | i got a vapochill here you see.. |
| 07:24.43 | liable | even better, i dont have to work tommorrow! :) |
| 07:24.53 | dejavu_ | O.o |
| 07:25.45 | dejavu_ | I work randomly |
| 07:27.04 | Azio | meh |
| 07:27.11 | Azio | i dont talk about work |
| 07:27.13 | Azio | gives me shudders |
| 07:27.26 | liable | Azio: then you need a better job! |
| 07:27.32 | Azio | im a director |
| 07:27.36 | Azio | my job is too good. |
| 07:27.38 | Azio | ;( |
| 07:27.49 | ma3x | im a president |
| 07:27.51 | ma3x | my job sucks |
| 07:27.53 | Azio | ROFL |
| 07:28.07 | liable | ma3x: president of what? |
| 07:28.08 | Azio | no seriously sometimes it can really suck to be your own boss |
| 07:28.16 | Azio | sometiems you just want the responsibility to go awya |
| 07:28.17 | ma3x | of the US man! |
| 07:28.19 | Azio | *away |
| 07:28.27 | Azio | ma3x go crash some buggies |
| 07:28.31 | liable | !lart ma3x |
| 07:28.31 | ma3x | muahaha |
| 07:29.11 | liable | !fuck ma3x |
| 07:29.23 | ma3x | you should be honored |
| 07:29.25 | liable | ya, so the nasty ones have been removed... |
| 07:29.31 | Azio | !slap ma3x |
| 07:29.31 | ma3x | every day I spend some time with you in #debian |
| 07:29.34 | liable | we have been censored |
| 07:29.46 | Azio | everybody has been censored |
| 07:29.51 | Azio | its happening here in the UK right now |
| 07:29.56 | Azio | nobody believes it |
| 07:30.20 | ma3x | you're not censored |
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| 07:30.40 | dejavu_ | liable, censored? |
| 07:30.42 | ma3x | I only want to give you a few million dollars for the project of debian |
| 07:31.20 | tarzeau | www.debian.org down? |
| 07:31.33 | dejavu_ | liable, did NSA put a strigger in this room? |
| 07:31.36 | tarzeau | ma3x: wait, you have that money? |
| 07:31.36 | liable | dejavu_: dpkg's database has had a lot of factoids and cmd's removed because (presumedly) they are deemed not correct |
| 07:31.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: don't waste it! |
| 07:31.48 | liable | dejavu_: by the owner of the bot |
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| 07:31.59 | dejavu_ | ohh |
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| 07:32.04 | liable | dejavu_: so theres not much we can do about it, but its a shame |
| 07:32.10 | Azio | an strigger? |
| 07:32.11 | Azio | lol |
| 07:32.16 | dejavu_ | ((((((((( NSA SUCKS )))))))) |
| 07:32.17 | ma3x | tarzeau, I'm not going to waste it. I'm gonna invest it - debian project |
| 07:32.20 | Azio | heh |
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| 07:32.30 | Azio | "nsa mind control technology" |
| 07:32.33 | tarzeau | ma3x: and what do you want them to use it for? |
| 07:32.42 | Azio | :> |
| 07:32.46 | dejavu_ | :> |
| 07:32.48 | tarzeau | ma3x: you'd much better spend it on some selected software projects |
| 07:32.58 | liable | dejavu_: and it has nothing to do with the nsa, but theres a correlation nontheless with politics :/ |
| 07:32.59 | Azio | seriously its not so good |
| 07:33.08 | Azio | i've read some pathetic conspiracy theories in my day |
| 07:33.09 | Azio | about the NSA |
| 07:33.11 | Azio | : |
| 07:33.13 | dejavu_ | Azio, by the microwave? |
| 07:33.15 | Azio | yeah |
| 07:33.20 | Azio | microwave + radiowave |
| 07:33.23 | Azio | whats baffling is |
| 07:33.28 | Azio | the science is there :S |
| 07:33.45 | dejavu_ | Azio, controling the teletubabies? |
| 07:34.04 | Azio | olol |
| 07:34.08 | dejavu_ | hahahaha |
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| 07:34.41 | dejavu_ | green, red, blue, orange. four babies |
| 07:35.14 | Azio | lol? |
| 07:35.18 | Azio | dejavu_ i have to say |
| 07:35.21 | Azio | i dont get it :< |
| 07:35.22 | ma3x | tarzeau, like on what projects? |
| 07:35.32 | dejavu_ | a famous TV show? |
| 07:35.49 | tarzeau | ma3x: the ones you feel sympathetic to and believe they can get much better with development/time/money resources |
| 07:36.14 | dejavu_ | suitable for 4-6 children |
| 07:36.22 | tarzeau | ma3x: my for one, would start a project like relocate some developpers fulltime at a place and live with them somewhere and work on a project, with specific goals in mind |
| 07:36.38 | tarzeau | ma3x: provide a shelter, fast/unlimited internet access and computers/food |
| 07:36.44 | tarzeau | ma3x: and find the best people |
| 07:36.59 | tarzeau | ma3x: that's how others do it, look at apple (ok microsoft picks the cheapest people= |
| 07:37.01 | liable | haha, a bunch of devs co-existing in a house and getting real work done? lol! |
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| 07:37.07 | tarzeau | ma3x: google does it similarly |
| 07:37.14 | dejavu_ | tarzeau, sounds like the m$ |
| 07:37.18 | tarzeau | liable: yes? |
| 07:37.28 | tarzeau | liable: talk between developers is important |
| 07:37.42 | liable | tarzeau: you should make a TV show of this! |
| 07:37.54 | tarzeau | liable: OHHHH AND EARN MORE MONEY... man you're GENIOUS :) |
| 07:37.59 | xingu | liable: now that espn mobile is cancelled, there's a slot free |
| 07:38.31 | tarzeau | liable: i'd pick Zurich/Switzerland for this |
| 07:38.41 | liable | good choice |
| 07:38.56 | tarzeau | liable: a house near the lake, costs: $20000/year. place for 2-6 developers |
| 07:38.56 | liable | as long as at least one is female and there is a sauna! |
| 07:39.03 | tarzeau | liable: haha |
| 07:39.05 | dejavu_ | how about Czech? |
| 07:39.17 | tarzeau | dejavu_: when i was in Czech, i'd pick Czech :) |
| 07:39.24 | dejavu_ | ... |
| 07:40.02 | tarzeau | i actually know even some people who'd develop fine quality software within one year and do the relocation |
| 07:40.11 | tarzeau | (few from the us, france and the uk) |
| 07:40.19 | tarzeau | but of course i lacks the money |
| 07:40.27 | dejavu_ | develop for what? how to build a pirate server? |
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| 07:40.38 | tarzeau | dejavu_: rebuild the lighthouse design application suite |
| 07:40.53 | dejavu_ | ohh |
| 07:40.55 | tarzeau | dejavu_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lighthouse_Design |
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| 07:41.27 | liable | tarzeau: you are concerned with the design of existing lighthousen around the globe? |
| 07:41.34 | tarzeau | dejavu_: i'm on my way collecting money, but i don't think i can get $1.000.000 within reasanoble time |
| 07:41.51 | dejavu_ | usd? |
| 07:41.56 | tarzeau | liable: if you were here, i'd throw a full plastic bottle of water at you. HARD |
| 07:42.01 | tarzeau | dejavu_: yes |
| 07:42.15 | liable | tarzeau: that hursts my feelings |
| 07:42.21 | Azio | heh |
| 07:42.25 | Azio | i got a pretty load monitor to work :D |
| 07:42.38 | tarzeau | Azio: you mean drop it from 5 meters onto liable ? |
| 07:42.41 | dejavu_ | $100000 per developer |
| 07:42.47 | dejavu_ | it's done |
| 07:43.06 | liable | tarzeau: if you were here, i would give you another beer and poke more fun at you :P |
| 07:43.21 | Azio | lol |
| 07:43.23 | tarzeau | liable: that won't get rid of the problems we have: firefox, openoffice... |
| 07:43.29 | tarzeau | liable: not to forget GNOME and KDE |
| 07:43.35 | Azio | lol |
| 07:43.36 | tarzeau | maybe even X11 |
| 07:43.36 | Azio | well.. |
| 07:43.38 | Azio | im running kde.. |
| 07:43.40 | Azio | please dont hurt me |
| 07:43.41 | Azio | :) |
| 07:43.41 | liable | tarzeau: we have? who is we? |
| 07:43.53 | Azio | wtf? kde? you say. |
| 07:43.54 | Azio | :P |
| 07:43.56 | tarzeau | liable: the world that uses that software because there's nothing better |
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| 07:44.13 | myesterious | hi |
| 07:44.17 | dejavu_ | hi |
| 07:44.29 | liable | tarzeau: the thought never entered your mind that some people like that software? |
| 07:44.37 | Azio | can someone provide me with a way to use the keyboard to maximize a window in kde? |
| 07:44.44 | tarzeau | liable: yes, but only because they misbelief nothing better is possible |
| 07:51.51 | tarzeau | Azio: haha, #debian-kde |
| 07:51.51 | Azio | lol |
| 07:51.51 | tarzeau | Azio: apropos their maximization is buggy |
| 07:51.51 | myesterious | hey , If i install Ubuntu then remove old kernel,xorg and gnome will be use less time than install Debian and once compile latest kernel,xorg and gnome ? |
| 07:51.51 | Azio | ok |
| 07:51.51 | Yamaraj | Don't worry, we'll have another lot of a hundred GNU/Linux distributions and a dozen WMs every few years. |
| 07:51.51 | tarzeau | Azio: there are cases where you maximize, then want to minimise and it stays big... |
| 07:51.51 | Azio | lol |
| 07:51.52 | liable | tarzeau: i dont subscribe to your beliefs. sure most start with those, but those that arent happy and are able to do so, will migrate to others |
| 07:51.52 | Azio | well i dont spose you *might* be able to just hint on how to do it? :P |
| 07:51.52 | peterS | myesterious: "compile latest kernel, xorg, gnome"? wtf? that would take a long time and that's all wasted time |
| 07:51.52 | liable | tarzeau: maybe the majority is simply happy with the choice they have? |
| 07:51.53 | tarzeau | liable: migration won't create killer apps |
| 07:51.53 | myesterious | wasted time ? |
| 07:51.53 | tarzeau | liable: perhaps you haven't seen enough people to belief otherwise |
| 07:51.53 | Azio | tarzeau no, but it saves a lot of time :O in some cases :) |
| 07:51.53 | liable | tarzeau: whats a killer app? |
| 07:51.53 | valdyn | Azio: gnome-keybinding-properties |
| 07:51.53 | Azio | valdyn thanks |
| 07:51.53 | peterS | myesterious: yeah. if you really don't care about stability, which is apparently the case considering what you want to do here, you may as well just install ubuntu, or debian testing |
| 07:51.53 | tarzeau | liable: lighthouse design applicatiosn for example, key points are: |
| 07:51.54 | tarzeau | liable: it is so stable you can save once an hour and it won't crash during that time |
| 07:51.54 | Yamaraj | myesterious: This is not #gentoo. We don't compile everything only to have a b0rked system because of wrong set of CFLAGS. |
| 07:51.54 | dejavu_ | "perhaps, rebuild the wheel is the only way to the freedom" |
| 07:51.54 | liable | tarzeau: lighthouses have stood for hundreds of years, how will they be made better :P |
| 07:51.54 | tarzeau | liable: it gets you work done within reasonable time |
| 07:51.54 | myesterious | Debian is not like Gentoo ? |
| 07:51.54 | tarzeau | ok i give up, time to go to sports |
| 07:51.54 | tarzeau | myesterious: NO |
| 07:51.55 | dejavu_ | hmm |
| 07:51.55 | tarzeau | !ricer |
| 07:51.55 | dpkg | [ricer] at gentoo |
| 07:51.55 | dejavu_ | my shopping time |
| 07:51.55 | liable | myesterious: yes, but our freindly servers compile stuff for you, saving you both time and electricity |
| 07:51.55 | aGee | !nvidia one-liner |
| 07:51.55 | dpkg | well, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
| 07:51.55 | peterS | myesterious: not much like it. recompiling a package on Debian is usually considered pointless, unless you're also hacking on the package at the same time |
| 07:51.55 | aGee | there i go |
| 07:51.55 | tarzeau | myesterious: they lack super cow powers |
| 07:51.56 | Yamaraj | There is absolutely no performance advantages in compiling a whole system yourself. Most Gentoo'ers agree that Slackware is faster and Arch comes pretty close. |
| 07:51.56 | Yamaraj | s/is/are |
| 07:51.56 | peterS | myesterious: in Debian we generally trust that a maintainer already knows more than we do about the optimal way to compile a package. and, in fact, this assumption is usually true (even for gentoo users). |
| 07:51.56 | liable | why delete ricer factoid? |
| 07:51.56 | dejavu_ | Yamaraj, not really |
| 07:51.57 | Yamaraj | dejavu_: O' yeah? |
| 07:51.57 | myesterious | thanks |
| 07:51.57 | dejavu_ | Yamaraj, slack's recompiling < gentoo's < LFS' |
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| 07:51.57 | Yamaraj | Gentoo is a masochist's dream. It's a tool for self-inflicting pain maniacs. |
| 07:51.57 | myesterious | except Ubuntu Is there other populary distro is based debian ? |
| 07:51.57 | xingu | peterS: or to put it another way, we treat bad compilation as a bug and fix it upstream |
| 07:51.57 | dejavu_ | Yamaraj, that needs much time to understand |
| 07:52.08 | valdyn | myesterious: google knows, wikipedia too, why ask us? |
| 07:52.14 | peterS | myesterious: depends on what you consider 'popular'. no other Debian derivatives are as popular as Ubuntu. |
| 07:52.14 | Coweater | myesterious: knoppix is pretty popular, maybe look at http://www.debian.org/misc/children-distros |
| 07:52.15 | cahoot | interesting how strong feelings competing distros ignite |
| 07:52.16 | Yamaraj | dejavu_: I don't consider it an advantage if Firefox starts 0.001 sec faster on Gentoo. |
| 07:52.44 | myesterious | thanks |
| 07:53.00 | liable | dondelelcaro: i understand you are obviously well within your rights to edit your bots database in any way you feel fit, but would it be seen as acceptable to have another bot in the channel with the original dpkg database (seeing as this #debian is no longer a real debian channel in any case?) |
| 07:53.00 | Azio | looks like its going to be an all nighter today ; - ) |
| 07:53.04 | dejavu_ | ha, anyway. at most case, not only that number |
| 07:53.23 | peterS | myesterious: other notable Debian-derived distributions include LinEx, Linspire, Skolelinux, Knoppix, Storm Linux (dead now, I think), Progeny Debian (also dead) |
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| 07:54.08 | peterS | liable: you mean like ravenbird? |
| 07:54.19 | peterS | liable: or apt? |
| 07:56.03 | myesterious | Have u been used GNUStep ? |
| 07:56.32 | streuner_ | why asking in #debian? |
| 07:56.44 | streuner_ | there is a channel #gnustep on freenode |
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| 07:57.37 | dejavu_ | brb for shopping |
| 07:57.43 | cahoot | that question would be rather pointless there |
| 07:58.11 | streuner_ | so its pointless here too ;-) |
| 07:58.35 | IamEthos | anyone know how I can get context menus with a single button apple mouse using control+click or apple+click? |
| 07:58.39 | Azio | heh |
| 07:58.46 | Azio | vnc on my omosix box is nice :D |
| 07:58.54 | Azio | slightly vian.. |
| 07:58.56 | streuner_ | cahoot: or in other words, what would you expect what would be the next question...? ;-) |
| 07:58.57 | Azio | *vain , but nice. |
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| 07:59.24 | cahoot | streuner_: you mean what would NextStep be? |
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| 08:00.09 | streuner_ | for example :-) |
| 08:00.20 | liable | peterS: i guess, but they both unfortunately use dpkg's database. whilst this is certainly the answer to my question, i was wondering if it would be tolerated if they indeed have the old databases |
| 08:01.08 | peterS | liable: they do have their own databases. the bots also talk to each other, though, so that if one doesn't have a definition for a factoid it asks the others |
| 08:01.33 | streuner_ | not all bots have that feature enabled |
| 08:01.49 | streuner_ | "talk to each other" |
| 08:01.56 | liable | @fuck liable |
| 08:02.00 | liable | ~fuck liable |
| 08:02.07 | streuner_ | in fact, none that i know |
| 08:02.07 | liable | good |
| 08:02.17 | Yamaraj | :-O |
| 08:02.20 | streuner_ | dpkg, fuck liable |
| 08:02.32 | streuner_ | it doesn't... |
| 08:02.47 | Yamaraj | dpkg likes missionary. |
| 08:02.51 | peterS | liable: also, you talk as though there's a single canonical "dpkg factoid database". this is not the case. it is edited by random people all the time, not just by its owner. it grew up ex nihilo. it's not something which is just _provided_ as a static thing. |
| 08:03.21 | liable | peterS: i guess i am making a not so subtle point that i feel we are being censored to debian.org standards, though we are *not* part of debian |
| 08:03.38 | liable | peterS: i am saying that the bots get the DB from dons site |
| 08:03.41 | peterS | liable: you're not being censored. if I think you need to be censored, I'll do it |
| 08:03.55 | liable | peterS: woah |
| 08:04.00 | streuner_ | liable: wrong, everyone who use debian is part of debian. |
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| 08:04.19 | peterS | the bots don't get the DB from don's site. the bots have their own copies of the DB, which were originally copied from whichever bot appeared on the network first |
| 08:04.33 | peterS | they've diverged somewhat since then |
| 08:04.35 | xingu | that would be... sheep |
| 08:04.45 | liable | peterS: lets not get on the defensive and start threatining me... |
| 08:04.52 | peterS | and this didn't happen because Don edited the master DB. it happened because we _all_ edit the bot DBs, independently |
| 08:05.14 | peterS | liable: I'm not threatening you. I'm just making the point that, when you are really censored, you'll know it |
| 08:05.27 | liable | peterS: bullshit, there seems to be a mass deletion of 'offensive' factoids |
| 08:05.38 | peterS | liable: it's possible. it's also very unlikely to be Don's work |
| 08:05.49 | liable | peterS: thus i am asking... |
| 08:05.55 | streuner_ | liable: well, in the past most people just edited the factoids of "apt", but due to some problems with it - most people switched to "dpkg".. |
| 08:06.19 | peterS | liable: also, of what value are these factoids? This is a debian tech support channel, not a random social channel. is there something you need to express which you have to use a bot for rather than coming up with your own words, which has been deleted? |
| 08:06.29 | Yamaraj | Are these bots and the DB opensource? |
| 08:06.31 | liable | peterS: and who considers what offensive is exactly what i am worried about |
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| 08:06.58 | peterS | liable: seriously, if I want to offend someone, I find it much easier just to say what I mean, rather than try to convince a bot to say it for me |
| 08:07.01 | streuner_ | Yamaraj: blootbot is opensource |
| 08:07.32 | Yamaraj | I'm talking about bots in here. |
| 08:07.41 | streuner_ | dpkg, what are you? |
| 08:07.42 | dpkg | I am a blootbot. For more info see <blootbot> |
| 08:07.54 | peterS | liable: the bots are mainly useful as a sort of shorthand, so you don't have to type out long answers to common questions. using them as a toy to impress your friends with what you can make a bot say on your behalf is really beside the point, in a tech support channel |
| 08:08.02 | Yamaraj | I see. |
| 08:08.52 | fabsmad | I did a mistake: I've disabled hotkey-setup service (using Bootup Manager). Now it's impossible to start it again using the same utility. Why? What can I try to do? Thanks |
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| 08:09.10 | peterS | Yamaraj: the DB is created by random users typing stuff in from IRC. I suppose it is as open source as anything can be that was created in that fashion. the database is certainly _available_ - type "/msg dpkg my factoids" for details |
| 08:09.36 | liable | peterS: yes, i realise this. i will just shut up now as i obviously dont have the neccessary smarts to get across the point that i was trying to make. |
| 08:09.51 | Yamaraj | peterS: Thanks for the info! |
| 08:10.02 | peterS | liable: yeah, whatever your point might have been was obscured by your use of the term 'censor' to mean something other than preventing people from saying things |
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| 08:11.03 | fabsmad | How can I tell my laptop to start a service in init.d (like hotkey-setup)? |
| 08:11.09 | liable | peterS: well, deleting certain things that are deamed not acceptable to some, whithout the general consensus of the channel (who created the factoids) does indeed smack of censoring to me! |
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| 08:11.43 | peterS | liable: no, that's called _editing_. and you agreed to it implicitly when you created your factoid, since you know anyone has the ability to delete or modify it at any time |
| 08:11.44 | xingu | fabsmad: update-rc.d |
| 08:11.48 | liable | i would like to see the delete list! |
| 08:11.48 | streuner_ | liable: IRC wasn't and is NOT democrazy ;-) |
| 08:11.57 | liable | streuner_: obviously |
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| 08:11.59 | mateuszk | Hi |
| 08:12.14 | mateuszk | how to create initrd with mkinitramfs ? |
| 08:12.25 | fabsmad | xingu: thanks, I'll try |
| 08:12.28 | liable | peterS: well i guess we shall agree to disagree |
| 08:12.31 | parjoha | When I issue 'df', I have a line that I haven't had before: 'tmpfs 322928 0 322928 0% /lib/init/rw', can anyone tell me what this is? |
| 08:12.32 | mateuszk | Anyhelp? |
| 08:12.37 | peterS | mateuszk: simple way is 'dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-whatever' |
| 08:12.53 | mateuszk | peterS, custom xen kernel |
| 08:12.53 | peterS | mateuszk: where linux-image-whatever is the kernel image package you installed |
| 08:12.55 | xingu | mateuszk: update-initramfs wrapper, or what peterS said |
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| 08:13.15 | peterS | mateuszk: then you should have used 'make-kpkg' from the kernel-package package, to create a .deb file to be installed. then my answer would apply. |
| 08:13.35 | aGee | how come my drivers 'nv' work and 'nvidia' don't? |
| 08:13.37 | valdyn | parjoha: read /usr/share/doc/initscripts/changelog.Debian.gz |
| 08:13.42 | mateuszk | peterS, in Xen case make-kpkg doesnt create initrd by default |
| 08:13.46 | parjoha | valdyn: thanks! |
| 08:13.51 | mateuszk | peterS, i need to create it manualy |
| 08:13.52 | peterS | aGee: maybe because 'nv' is shipped in the Debian system and 'nvidia' is not |
| 08:14.07 | aGee | peterS: that means...? |
| 08:14.11 | peterS | mateuszk: make-kpkg has an option to produce an initrd. whether this is needed in your case or not, I leave to you |
| 08:14.12 | fabsmad | xingu: so...."update-rc hotkey-setup start"?? In this way? |
| 08:14.15 | itchi | I have just installed the 'pida' package and get the follow error http://pastebin.ca/187597 Looks like some Python modules are missing. Etch here |
| 08:14.18 | Azio | :D |
| 08:14.19 | Azio | liable |
| 08:14.21 | Azio | you rock btw |
| 08:14.25 | Azio | thanks for the tips on strace |
| 08:14.35 | Azio | thanks all |
| 08:14.38 | mateuszk | peterS, but make-kpkg doesnt do it with Xen patch |
| 08:14.38 | Azio | you know who you are ;) |
| 08:14.45 | Yamaraj | aGee: That means you'll have to install nVIDIA driver to enable 3D features etc. |
| 08:14.49 | mateuszk | peterS, I get "Please manually create an initrd image" |
| 08:14.56 | aGee | Yamaraj: is it possible? |
| 08:14.57 | peterS | aGee: the difference between the 'nv' module and the 'nvidia' module is that one is free software and one isn't. obviously, the one that is free software is less likely to break when you do other things to your machine like upgrade the X server |
| 08:14.58 | Azio | hmm |
| 08:15.06 | mateuszk | peterS, so Iam asking how to do it with mkinitramfs |
| 08:15.06 | Azio | use make-kpkg --initrd option? |
| 08:15.12 | roxy_ | anyone using safari book around ? |
| 08:15.13 | mateuszk | Azio, yes buts its a xen patch |
| 08:15.15 | xingu | fabsmad: read the man page, I'd suggest s/start/defaults/ for your first time through |
| 08:15.17 | Azio | ahh |
| 08:15.21 | Azio | sorry, noob answer from me |
| 08:15.22 | mateuszk | Azio, it doesnt do it by defaylt |
| 08:15.26 | peterS | aGee: ot |
| 08:15.29 | Yamaraj | aGee: Certainly. You'll have to download drivers from nvidia site and install them. |
| 08:15.34 | Azio | goodluck dude, ill brb :D |
| 08:15.55 | peterS | aGee: it's almost an inherent property of free software that it's more likely to be kept up-to-date with new requirements like a changing X server. non-free software has a terrible disadvantage in that regard. |
| 08:16.15 | aGee | peterS: i see |
| 08:16.44 | SalsaDoom | aGee: the binary nvidia driver -does- work fine with debian. But its configuration is a bit more complex. |
| 08:17.33 | aGee | SalsaDoom: openGL isn't working |
| 08:17.42 | Yamaraj | IOW, free software is updated so frequently that non-free software finds it hard to keep up. |
| 08:17.57 | mateuszk | peterS, ok mkinitramfs -o /boot/initrd.img-2.6.16.19 /lib/modules/2.6.16.19-xen does the thing |
| 08:18.26 | aGee | i was trying to wine starcraft and i got errors like: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0" |
| 08:18.28 | SalsaDoom | aGee: does your nvidia kernel module load? type `lsmod | grep nvidia` and let me know if there is output |
| 08:18.36 | peterS | mateuszk: which leaves me wondering why make-kpkg doesn't support this, because that's exactly what it should do in that case |
| 08:18.47 | mateuszk | peterS, manual isnt clear for mkinitramfs |
| 08:18.50 | aGee | SalsaDoom: nope, no output at all |
| 08:19.02 | mateuszk | peterS, I guess Xen patch changes something |
| 08:19.34 | xingu | peterS: maybe getting confused by the build subarch? |
| 08:19.35 | SalsaDoom | aGee: there's your problem. As root (or sudo) type `modprobe nvidia`. Then type `dmesg` and see if there is any relevant information |
| 08:19.36 | mateuszk | peterS, it installation guide it states that this will happen but they didnt wrote how to create it manualy ;) |
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| 08:20.30 | aGee | modprobe nvidia |
| 08:20.30 | aGee | FATAL: Module nvidia not found. |
| 08:20.45 | valdyn | !nvidia one-liner |
| 08:20.45 | dpkg | from memory, nvidia one-liner is update-pciids ; apt-get install module-assistant && m-a prepare && m-a a-i nvidia && apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-settings && modprobe nvidia && echo nvidia >> /etc/modules && dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 (or xserver-xorg on unstable). Contrib and non-free sources needed. See <non-free sources> If you are using etch ask me about <etch nvidia>. |
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| 08:20.51 | SalsaDoom | aGee: ok, thats another problem. the nvidia driver isn't installed ;P |
| 08:20.52 | liable | sounds like theres no nvidia module.. |
| 08:20.53 | valdyn | aGee: ^^ read |
| 08:20.54 | parjoha | win prev |
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| 08:21.16 | valdyn | aGee: + you might have to use the packages from etch or maybe backports.org |
| 08:21.18 | aGee | SalsaDoom: as i said, im using nv driver not nvidia |
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| 08:21.25 | peterS | seen on slashdot: "Those who would give up essential liberty to obtain a video driver, deserve neither liberty nor video drivers." |
| 08:21.33 | peterS | ^^^ this is about the 'nvidia' driver (: |
| 08:21.43 | SalsaDoom | aGee: Well yeah fella ;P nv doesn't have any opengl support |
| 08:21.59 | SalsaDoom | peterS: funny. unhelpful. |
| 08:22.08 | roxy_ | :-) |
| 08:22.12 | aGee | SalsaDoom: what do i do then? |
| 08:22.35 | liable | those that give up there factoids deserve niether facts or oids? :P |
| 08:22.48 | SalsaDoom | aGee: See the post from dpkg, learn it, type it, live it |
| 08:22.49 | Yamaraj | peterS: You can't expect them to disclose years of development work, IP and millions invested in a project so easily, that too in the name of "Free" software. |
| 08:23.08 | xingu | quibbling over the freeness of the software is a waste of bits, the hardware has intertwingled patents on the interesting parts which won't be freeing themselves up ever |
| 08:23.16 | aGee | SalsaDoom: what post? |
| 08:23.37 | SalsaDoom | aGee: from dpkg, scroll up. Its a big paragraph |
| 08:23.39 | peterS | Yamaraj: *shrug*. the same could be said for any software. and yet here we are. |
| 08:23.45 | aGee | lol |
| 08:23.49 | aGee | i tried one-liner |
| 08:24.09 | aGee | ok, let me tell you this, everything works, im on gnome, except that opengl thing |
| 08:24.26 | liable | aGee: whats glxinfo say? |
| 08:24.31 | SalsaDoom | aGee: Yes, the nv driver supports most of the good 3d stuff. |
| 08:24.31 | aGee | everything works, my resolution is ok, refresh is ok |
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| 08:24.34 | liable | aGee: and your x log? |
| 08:24.39 | Yamaraj | peterS: Here, things are different. This is a collective work of a community, their's isn't. |
| 08:24.47 | aGee | liable: Xlib: extension "GLX" missing on display ":0.0". |
| 08:24.50 | liable | aGee: there are hints in both those outputs |
| 08:24.54 | aGee | liable: im using xfree86, im on sarge |
| 08:25.01 | SalsaDoom | aGee: ok, what happened with the one liner. |
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| 08:25.24 | aGee | SalsaDoom: i tried one-liner and it worked, that's what im using right now. |
| 08:25.49 | liable | aGee: paste your x log somewhere |
| 08:26.01 | SalsaDoom | aGee: no errors? type that lsmod command again |
| 08:26.01 | Yamaraj | Still, Intel is opensourcing their drivers for all. We can finally expect good 3D performance and free drivers as well. |
| 08:26.25 | SalsaDoom | Yamaraj: yeah, if you have an integrated intel video -- which is slow as molasses even if its working tip top |
| 08:26.33 | liable | Yamaraj: yeah sure, try using there wirless driver for 3495, it sucks complete ass |
| 08:26.37 | SalsaDoom | open sourced garbage remains garbage. |
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| 08:26.56 | aGee | SalsaDoom: what do you want me to look for? |
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| 08:27.03 | Yamaraj | liable: Agreed. Their 3495 sucks in this department. |
| 08:27.11 | SalsaDoom | aGee: nvidia! |
| 08:27.26 | liable | Yamaraj: having said that, at least there is one, but it still sucks |
| 08:27.40 | aGee | SalsaDoom: no output |
| 08:27.43 | Yamaraj | SalsaDoom: X3000 on-board will have HW T&L, DX10 and OpenGL 2.0 support, SM3.0 and 4.0 and performance will be upto the midrange nVIDIA cards. |
| 08:28.08 | liable | ooh, thats a lot of acronyms! |
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| 08:28.14 | SalsaDoom | Yamaraj: So what? |
| 08:28.29 | SalsaDoom | I'd have to buy a mobo with an integrated video card. Thats lame as hell |
| 08:28.46 | fabsmad | Why, using "bum" It's not possible to execute "hotkey-setup"? |
| 08:28.47 | liable | bah, i am in a severly cynical mood tonight |
| 08:28.54 | aGee | should i just install this nvidia drivers from their site, looks like its updated aug 2006 |
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| 08:29.20 | fabsmad | "hotkey-setup" is in the list, but There's no way to start it! |
| 08:29.23 | Yamaraj | SalsaDoom: At least, people will have a decent working 3D system with free drivers. |
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| 08:29.39 | SalsaDoom | Yamaraj: people who have integrated intel video. ie, cheap-o boards. |
| 08:29.47 | liable | aGee: if you have tried using the so called "debian way" then yes, of course try the nvidia installer |
| 08:30.24 | ThomasPorter | Hi, I was wondering if anyone knew how SMS servers worked? I know you plug a phone or GSM modem into your computer... but thats as far as I get.. do I need a simcard? If I do need a simcard, do I need to pay for SMS's at the normal price on the simcard even though its going though the server? |
| 08:30.24 | SalsaDoom | No no, thats probably not gonna end up working and its messy |
| 08:30.27 | liable | aGee: be warned though, that if you mention it here, we will come down on you with the wrath of a thousand angry badgers :) |
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| 08:30.48 | SalsaDoom | Do it the correct way or don't, really. Let me remember how I did it... |
| 08:31.23 | aGee | liable: nvidia want me off X, ill be back |
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| 08:31.50 | ThomasPorter | No one seems to know about SMS servers/gateways :( |
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| 08:32.48 | xingu | ThomasPorter: put it this way, the only way to not be billed for actual sms is to not send one in the first instance |
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| 08:33.07 | mormoloc | i get this message when compiling gedit 2.16 http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/25382/ |
| 08:33.15 | Guerin | !wayc mormoloc |
| 08:33.15 | dpkg | mormoloc: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 08:33.21 | liable | mormoloc: go to #ubuntu |
| 08:33.25 | xingu | ThomasPorter: if your sms server is driving a mobile to send text messages - yes, you need a sim, yes, the usual t&c's/billing will apply |
| 08:33.27 | sanabriamusic | everyone gone? |
| 08:33.32 | sanabriamusic | ha |
| 08:33.37 | Guerin | liable: using the ubuntu paster doesn't mean he's using ubuntu |
| 08:33.46 | entropy | how do I install libdvdcss ? apt-get says: Package libdvdcss is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 08:33.48 | liable | Guerin: prove me wrong |
| 08:33.49 | sanabriamusic | i should change my name to mr.nosound |
| 08:33.55 | Guerin | liable: unfalsifiable |
| 08:34.00 | mormoloc | Guerin: i am |
| 08:34.01 | liable | Guerin: prove it |
| 08:34.07 | liable | Guerin: hah! |
| 08:34.09 | Guerin | liable: you win |
| 08:34.11 | mormoloc | :) |
| 08:34.20 | fernet | entropy, look in /usr/share/doc/libdvdread3/ |
| 08:34.26 | fabsmad | liable: I now that you are here, in this chat, from years and years! And perhaps my little problem will sound to you like something stupid and easy to solve. But I'm just a little bit more then a newbye...please, help me! I need to start again "hotkey-setup" to use all keys on my laptop. I've done the mistake to disable it using "bum". Now I'm not able to start it again...bum doesn't let me to execute that service...what can I do? |
| 08:34.47 | Guerin | wtf is bum? |
| 08:34.49 | entropy | fernet: thank you |
| 08:34.49 | wols_ | what is bum? |
| 08:34.52 | Guerin | apart from the obvious |
| 08:34.58 | nosound | a man that lives on the streets |
| 08:35.05 | fabsmad | "bum" BootUp-Manager |
| 08:35.06 | Guerin | nosound: why a man? |
| 08:35.07 | nosound | lol |
| 08:35.12 | Yamaraj | Bum cheeky, cheeky bum; cheeky cheeky bum bum. |
| 08:35.13 | nosound | or woman |
| 08:35.16 | Guerin | fabsmad: is it in debian? |
| 08:35.20 | nosound | or a liquid horse |
| 08:35.23 | nosound | lol |
| 08:35.27 | wols_ | it is |
| 08:35.39 | wols_ | !info bum |
| 08:35.48 | dpkg | bum: (graphical runlevel editor), section admin, is optional. Version: 2.1.8-1 (sid), Packaged size: 81 kB, Installed size: 528 kB |
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| 08:35.59 | nosound | apt-get install homeless bum |
| 08:36.12 | wols_ | fabsmad: just don't use bum then |
| 08:36.16 | Guerin | oh |
| 08:36.39 | Guerin | fabsmad: simple: if it doesn't work, don't use it. |
| 08:36.40 | liable | never fucking heard of it |
| 08:36.50 | nosound | apt-get install nosoundisabummer |
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| 08:37.09 | liable | fabsmad: dont use bum, and check its config for hotkeys and change the entry for it |
| 08:37.12 | mormoloc | thoes debian have a non-answer policy to other similar distros? |
| 08:37.19 | Guerin | mormoloc: yes. |
| 08:37.20 | wols_ | mormoloc: yes |
| 08:37.25 | mormoloc | k |
| 08:37.31 | wols_ | !tell mormoloc based on debian |
| 08:37.37 | liable | my bum doesnt work? |
| 08:37.38 | fabsmad | wols_: hmm...I've tryed "update-rc.d hotkey-setup start defaults", but with no results |
| 08:37.56 | wols_ | fabsmad: were you root? |
| 08:38.00 | berkes | does anyone know a good tool to create disk images? I am looking for it, for our backup system. |
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| 08:38.20 | Guerin | berkes: mondo is supposed to be good |
| 08:38.21 | liable | fabsmad: bum has more than likely stopped it even though init might be called to start it. purge your bum! |
| 08:38.24 | liable | haha |
| 08:38.26 | fabsmad | wols_: sudo update-rc.d hotkey-setup start defaults |
| 08:38.31 | liable | that was funny! |
| 08:38.41 | berkes | Guerin: thanks |
| 08:38.49 | sanabriamusic | anybody knows of a good sledgehammer that will break a pc in one hit |
| 08:38.52 | wols_ | fabsmad: why sudo? |
| 08:39.11 | wols_ | sanabriamusic: depends on the PC. there are some IBMs that were very study |
| 08:39.12 | fernet | OSX? |
| 08:39.19 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 08:39.20 | sanabriamusic | true |
| 08:39.22 | sanabriamusic | hahaha |
| 08:39.22 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: no need to use a sledgehammer, just biff it off something high |
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| 08:39.35 | sanabriamusic | water works |
| 08:39.36 | liable | or piss on it |
| 08:39.38 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 08:39.42 | sanabriamusic | there u go |
| 08:39.43 | Guerin | yeah, that'll work too |
| 08:39.46 | Guerin | but not as visceral |
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| 08:39.56 | sanabriamusic | or have a liquid horse pee on it |
| 08:39.57 | sanabriamusic | lol |
| 08:40.01 | liable | make sure you turn the power off first |
| 08:40.07 | dejavu_ | sisiegehammer? |
| 08:40.15 | Guerin | sanabriamusic: could you limit your lol count to one per hour? kthx. |
| 08:40.18 | wols_ | liquid horses don't pee. but you can pour the horse itself on it. that works 100% |
| 08:40.22 | dejavu_ | siegehammer? |
| 08:40.24 | sanabriamusic | ok lol |
| 08:40.42 | wols_ | !thwap sanabriamusic |
| 08:40.45 | liable | what the fuck is with the liquid horse thing? what did i miss on /.? |
| 08:40.57 | sanabriamusic | i have no idea |
| 08:41.03 | Guerin | liable: he's just heavily retarded |
| 08:41.04 | sanabriamusic | something these guys made up |
| 08:41.15 | Guerin | and the key mashings are showing a pattern |
| 08:41.23 | liable | Guerin: there has been a few mentions of it tonight |
| 08:41.38 | wols_ | liable: relax. it's sunday! |
| 08:41.42 | sanabriamusic | if u guys had fixed my sound i woudlnt be here talking about liquid horses |
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| 08:42.01 | liable | Guerin: i feel somewhat emasculated in the tech world for not knowing the satirical maening! |
| 08:42.02 | wols_ | sanabriamusic: we cannot fix anything for you |
| 08:42.07 | sanabriamusic | i know |
| 08:42.11 | liable | meaning too |
| 08:42.27 | dejavu_ | lol, time for roasting meat |
| 08:42.37 | Yamaraj | Argh! |
| 08:42.44 | liable | yar! |
| 08:42.45 | sanabriamusic | wouldnt change a file on ur account |
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| 08:43.29 | fullmoon | lol |
| 08:43.36 | liable | lets not tread down that path.. |
| 08:43.40 | wols_ | Yamaraj: if you were, you'd know how to spell it :P |
| 08:43.52 | wols_ | oops. you did. too bad |
| 08:43.53 | fullmoon | spell what? |
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| 08:44.12 | Guerin | vegan. It's normally spelt 't w a t' |
| 08:44.13 | Yamaraj | wols_: How do you spell it? |
| 08:44.35 | fullmoon | tits? |
| 08:44.42 | liable | Guerin: harsh, i cant see the point myself though |
| 08:44.42 | Guerin | i'll inevitably outrun you, since your feeble muscles are starved of protein |
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| 08:44.54 | liable | hah |
| 08:45.05 | wols_ | Guerin: depends how much soyburgers he's eating per day |
| 08:45.14 | Yamaraj | Guerin: I weigh 170lbs with 12% body fat, mind you! |
| 08:45.16 | Guerin | wols_: and how many meat pies I'm eating |
| 08:45.21 | wols_ | other things like B12 deficiency might be more dangerous |
| 08:45.29 | liable | yeah, the 54kg of spinach should work |
| 08:45.32 | fullmoon | 170lbs = ? kg |
| 08:45.41 | Guerin | fullmoon: about 80 |
| 08:45.48 | fullmoon | O.o |
| 08:45.49 | liable | @170/2.2 |
| 08:45.50 | ravenbird | 77.272727272727 |
| 08:45.52 | Yamaraj | 76.5 |
| 08:45.56 | fullmoon | are you a pig? |
| 08:46.02 | liable | oink? |
| 08:46.10 | fullmoon | hahahaha sorry man |
| 08:46.11 | streuner_ | haha |
| 08:46.11 | Guerin | since when was 77kg piglike? |
| 08:46.13 | Yamaraj | No, a monster. |
| 08:46.42 | Yamaraj | lol |
| 08:46.43 | Kevin` | @30/0 |
| 08:46.50 | fullmoon | I am 45kg |
| 08:46.59 | liable | @lose Kevin` |
| 08:47.00 | Kevin` | @2/3 |
| 08:47.00 | ravenbird | Kevin`: You Lose. |
| 08:47.01 | ravenbird | 0.666666666667 |
| 08:47.01 | Guerin | fullmoon: you're either a midget, not fully grown, or asian |
| 08:47.06 | maelvino | Hello |
| 08:47.07 | Kevin` | liable :( |
| 08:47.09 | Ragnaroek | sup |
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| 08:47.55 | asnboy | someone can tell me how to give me a sed command to.. add a ",0" after the third "," of each line on a file please? |
| 08:48.10 | Kevin` | @2^2 |
| 08:48.11 | ravenbird | 2^2 is, like, a bad question. You want 2**2. |
| 08:48.12 | asnboy | i mean add "0," |
| 08:48.15 | Guerin | asnboy: #bash is probably better |
| 08:48.19 | Kevin` | @4! |
| 08:48.19 | ravenbird | i guess 4! is 24 |
| 08:48.25 | Kevin` | @999! |
| 08:48.29 | asnboy | can u give me a bash command? i dont know much hwo touse it |
| 08:48.30 | fullmoon | 2^2 is basic |
| 08:48.37 | liable | Kevin`: oi! /msg the bot |
| 08:48.44 | Guerin | asnboy: no, ask in #bash for help with standard tools like sed and awk |
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| 08:48.50 | asnboy | oh ok |
| 08:48.52 | fullmoon | 2**2 is fortran? |
| 08:48.54 | Kevin` | I want to break the bot, heh |
| 08:49.24 | fullmoon | !bot |
| 08:49.24 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 08:49.27 | liable | Kevin`: you expect us to think thats a usefull thing??? |
| 08:49.36 | Yamaraj | Eh, bot ego? |
| 08:49.48 | liable | @fuck Kevin` |
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| 08:49.55 | Yamaraj | dpkg: You are a dumb bot, alright? |
| 08:49.56 | Kevin` | O_o |
| 08:49.56 | dpkg | Yamaraj: I think you lost me on that one |
| 08:50.00 | Yamaraj | lol |
| 08:50.03 | azeem | Kevin`: /msg the bots |
| 08:50.03 | fullmoon | mocbot > bot |
| 08:51.24 | liable | 7/window close 7 |
| 08:51.28 | liable | bah |
| 08:51.42 | fullmoon | this bot is awesome : http://www.lurhq.com/mocbot-spam.html |
| 08:51.47 | liable | double bah |
| 08:52.07 | fullmoon | it's funny |
| 08:52.43 | fullmoon | how do you think? |
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| 08:55.08 | liable | usually with the brain, but the penis occasionaly thinks first |
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| 08:56.20 | Fahrenheit | Hello everybody, isn't there a free version of rar (not time limited) ? |
| 08:56.36 | fullmoon | no? |
| 08:56.49 | Kevin` | the linux version isn't time limited, is it |
| 08:56.53 | liable | for linux? yes. unrar, or unrar-free |
| 08:56.59 | wols_ | it's only a unrar tho |
| 08:57.00 | wols_ | no rar |
| 08:57.13 | fullmoon | is rar patented? |
| 08:57.19 | Guerin | there's a linux rar/unrar binary |
| 08:57.26 | Guerin | it's static, too |
| 08:57.30 | Fahrenheit | the rar utility is un-free and limited for 40 days of trial use |
| 08:57.31 | Guerin | not free software, though |
| 08:57.31 | wols_ | rar is a proprietary |
| 08:57.31 | liable | wtf would you want to compress with rar in linux? |
| 08:57.48 | Yamaraj | Your brain is still the largest sexual organ in your body, not the penis. |
| 08:57.54 | Kevin` | Fahrenheit i've had it installed longer then that.. how does it limit to 30 days? |
| 08:58.00 | Kevin` | 40 |
| 08:58.05 | Fahrenheit | I don'"t really want but one of my school teacher ask student to do it |
| 08:58.10 | Guerin | fullmoon: any non-trivial piece of software contains arguably patented code |
| 08:58.11 | Azio | i hear a lot of "we are being censored" from .cn and surprisingly .us and .co.uk |
| 08:58.15 | Azio | i really need to write an article about it |
| 08:58.18 | Azio | :O) |
| 08:58.33 | Azio | completely offtopic im afraid.. |
| 08:58.40 | Guerin | Fahrenheit: tell him you can't, and submit your shit in zip format |
| 08:58.48 | Fahrenheit | ok |
| 08:58.51 | fullmoon | .cn is an internet greatwall |
| 08:58.54 | liable | Azio: go post on reddit :) |
| 08:59.10 | Fahrenheit | thx for answer and have a nice end-weekend |
| 08:59.14 | fullmoon | guarding by dummies |
| 08:59.19 | Azio | liable :) |
| 08:59.21 | Azio | im already on it |
| 08:59.22 | Azio | and digg |
| 08:59.24 | Azio | ;) |
| 08:59.26 | Kevin` | i'm fairly certain the linux commandline rar utility is not time limited |
| 08:59.26 | Azio | but i will liable |
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| 08:59.45 | Azio | i suppose heres a good place to ask for "digg recommendations" |
| 08:59.46 | Azio | :P |
| 08:59.59 | Fahrenheit | http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/rar |
| 09:00.00 | liable | no |
| 09:00.03 | Azio | loool |
| 09:00.08 | Guerin | Azio: i recommend you enter 127.0.0.1 digg.com in /etc/hosts |
| 09:00.13 | Azio | heh |
| 09:00.14 | fullmoon | can you imagine a group of dogs on the greatwall? |
| 09:00.27 | Azio | Guerin thanks |
| 09:00.27 | liable | huh? |
| 09:00.33 | fullmoon | running fast |
| 09:00.39 | Guerin | fullmoon: i have seen dogs on the great wall, so yes |
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| 09:00.46 | Fahrenheit | Kevin' : This program is shareware and you must register it after 40 days of use. |
| 09:00.47 | fullmoon | O.o |
| 09:00.47 | Guerin | they were running, but not fast |
| 09:00.49 | Yamaraj | Cannot p7zip handle rar archives too? |
| 09:00.58 | Guerin | Yamaraj: who cares? |
| 09:00.59 | liable | Guerin: yes running for there lives i bet |
| 09:01.09 | Fahrenheit | I will see |
| 09:01.13 | Fahrenheit | I don't know |
| 09:01.21 | Azio | Guerin youve said like 2 things |
| 09:01.30 | Guerin | liable: naw, that's mostly korea/southern china/north vietnam/cambodia |
| 09:01.30 | liable | Fahrenheit: so register if you like that sort of thing |
| 09:01.30 | Yamaraj | Guerin: Those who swear by batter compression ratios? |
| 09:01.30 | Azio | and already i dont like you |
| 09:01.30 | Azio | lol |
| 09:01.36 | Guerin | Azio: stupid people tend not to |
| 09:01.43 | Azio | yes i am stupid. |
| 09:01.44 | fullmoon | can you feed 7zip with .rar files? |
| 09:01.49 | Azio | But i dont mind being stupid. :D |
| 09:01.58 | Azio | and i dont mind anyone calling me stupid. |
| 09:02.05 | Azio | go figar ;) |
| 09:02.05 | Guerin | i take being disliked by stupid people as a compliment |
| 09:02.12 | Azio | hmm |
| 09:02.15 | liable | Guerin: personally i dont see the problem anyway. no need to seperate cute things from the food chain (not that i would eat fido) |
| 09:02.16 | Azio | i really dont like you |
| 09:02.17 | Azio | :P |
| 09:02.24 | Azio | and i dont often say that. |
| 09:02.52 | Yamaraj | fullmoon: It can only decompress RAR files, it seems. |
| 09:02.58 | fullmoon | fido? fidonet? |
| 09:03.01 | Azio | you just make me want to tell you to pull your head out of your arrogant asshole, your just as bad as me being stupid and somehow think your superior :P |
| 09:03.10 | Azio | </flame> |
| 09:03.18 | Fahrenheit | yes yes well see p7zip-full support rar and isn't time limited |
| 09:03.33 | fullmoon | why? |
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| 09:03.41 | liable | fido==generic dogs name |
| 09:03.47 | Azio | first in, dogs out? |
| 09:03.48 | Azio | :P |
| 09:03.52 | Azio | lol |
| 09:04.02 | fullmoon | ... that's fifo |
| 09:04.06 | kps | any clue how to get the fonts in debian unstable to work in firefox again? |
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| 09:04.09 | Azio | it was a joke mr fullmoon |
| 09:04.19 | Azio | last in first out it seems :( |
| 09:04.21 | Azio | ttyl :D |
| 09:04.42 | fullmoon | ZAz0r |
| 09:04.48 | fullmoon | rAz0r |
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| 09:05.28 | fullmoon | Azio, it's a stack |
| 09:05.29 | Guerin | Azio: you're |
| 09:05.58 | fullmoon | Azio, only in no out = ??? |
| 09:05.59 | Guerin | liable: dog is good eats. Some bits are better than others, though. |
| 09:06.12 | Guerin | liable: the dog nipples I had were less than great |
| 09:06.29 | Guerin | tarantulas are good eats as well - like shrimp |
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| 09:06.33 | Azio | Guerin: im dyslexic |
| 09:06.34 | Azio | :) |
| 09:06.35 | fullmoon | Azio, only in no out = CHINA |
| 09:06.36 | Azio | deal with it |
| 09:06.43 | Azio | LOL fullmoon |
| 09:06.50 | liable | Guerin: i have no doubt, the only reason i dont eat it, is cause its not the thing we eat here. if it were, i would not have a problem |
| 09:06.52 | Azio | yes, if you stay there, apparently they can make you stay? |
| 09:06.56 | Azio | Is that true fullmoon ? :D |
| 09:07.06 | fullmoon | that's why they have the most people |
| 09:07.09 | liable | Guerin: its a circular argument about what animal is acceptable to eat |
| 09:07.12 | Azio | crazy man |
| 09:07.18 | Azio | sounds genuinely scarey |
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| 09:08.35 | liable | i think i can proudly say, that this sunday has been one of the most offtopic without the need to ban any trolls :) |
| 09:08.43 | Azio | :-) |
| 09:08.49 | Yamaraj | Eat spinach, spare the animals. |
| 09:08.51 | fullmoon | lol |
| 09:09.02 | Azio | liable ive had some right assholes message me before now :< |
| 09:09.02 | fullmoon | irc status: outlaw |
| 09:09.05 | Kevin` | what about the spinich's rights.. |
| 09:09.09 | Guerin | Yamaraj: humans are omnivores. I intend to fulfill my destiny. |
| 09:09.17 | liable | i have no idea why i included the word proudly though.. :/ |
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| 09:09.35 | Guerin | yeah, plants have feeling too. Just because they aren't cute and don't make noises. |
| 09:09.37 | Azio | liable : its nice to be proud about the people around you |
| 09:09.39 | liable | Azio: there are lots of assholes, its what makes the world go round |
| 09:09.42 | Yamaraj | Guerin: Humans aren't dependent on animals for food, only for taste. |
| 09:09.46 | Azio | liable: its the only thing you cant provide yourself with the gratitude of |
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| 09:09.54 | Guerin | Yamaraj: humans are designed to eat animals. |
| 09:10.02 | Azio | liable: assholes make the world go round :) yeahh lol.. i can see that. |
| 09:10.02 | liable | exactly |
| 09:10.05 | Yamaraj | I disagree. |
| 09:10.11 | Guerin | Yamaraj: we COULD live without eating them, but we could equally live without eating plants. |
| 09:10.13 | Azio | Guerin your full of shit |
| 09:10.22 | liable | thats why we lost the need for the appendix |
| 09:10.25 | Guerin | Yamaraj: you disagree with every biologist on the planet. |
| 09:10.32 | liable | or however its spekt |
| 09:10.35 | Guerin | Azio: you're |
| 09:10.37 | liable | spelt |
| 09:11.00 | Azio | <Guerin> Yamaraj: we COULD live without eating them, but we could equally live without eating plants. < ---- so how can you say we are designed to eat animals , without representing the fact , we are no more or less designed to eat plants instead. |
| 09:11.01 | Azio | ffs |
| 09:11.02 | Yamaraj | Guerin: Plants have life, but no feelings, emotion or pain. |
| 09:11.06 | fullmoon | who's a biologist here? |
| 09:11.20 | liable | think of the poor vegetables, just cause you cant here them scream! |
| 09:11.35 | Azio | Guerin: I've noticed the real assholes, choose to correct my spelling, because thats all they CAN correct. |
| 09:11.39 | Guerin | Yamaraj: I can point to several clinical studies which say otherwise. |
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| 09:12.25 | liable | Azio: hes was an english teacher, its his job, but that doesnt mean you should discount what he says |
| 09:12.29 | Guerin | Azio: your problem is that you see it as a binary issue, when it's actually a continuum. Diet is not zeroi-sum. I'm saying humans are designed to eat everything, not that they're not designed to eat something. |
| 09:12.36 | xingu | there's god knows how many coma patients who are testament to survival from nothing but a few carefully selected chemicals and the odd skin puncture |
| 09:12.40 | Guerin | Azio: consider yourself corrected. |
| 09:12.42 | berkes | <Guerin> Yamaraj: humans are designed to eat animals. «« man are designed to opress women and murder other male humans (opponents) too. |
| 09:12.45 | valdyn | Guerin: there's at least one tribe of humans that don't eat animal products at all, those dont live particularily short or seem unhealthy |
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| 09:12.56 | Yamaraj | Guerin: By that logic, even rapists should be regarded as normal because our ancestors didn't nicely ask the females for copulation? Apes rape and molest, humans aren't supposed to. |
| 09:12.58 | berkes | that itself should not be a reason to /do/ it. |
| 09:13.11 | Azio | Guerin: I don't see it as a binary issue at all. |
| 09:13.24 | Guerin | berkes: not at all. Society works best when nobody is opressed, which is why you're seeing a blossoming of society in the last few hundred years, as oppression tends downwards. |
| 09:13.25 | Azio | Infact, I have neither indicated nor said anything of the sort. |
| 09:13.27 | liable | valdyn: where from? |
| 09:13.28 | fullmoon | can human beings eat earth for living? |
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| 09:13.32 | Azio | Your welcome to correct my english and ignore the point altogether though |
| 09:13.33 | Guerin | Azio: then you need to rephrase your point. |
| 09:14.13 | berkes | Guerin: right. Same is for eating meat; our planet would do much better if we dont overconsume; starting off with less meat. |
| 09:14.14 | valdyn | liable: looking for a website.. |
| 09:14.14 | berkes | ;) |
| 09:14.23 | Guerin | Yamaraj: humans aren't descended from apes. Humans and apes are descended from a common ancestor. |
| 09:14.32 | Azio | oh ffs. |
| 09:14.35 | liable | berkes: but that is how we have evolved, like it or not |
| 09:14.55 | valdyn | liable: http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/life/2005/01/07/stories/2005010700080200.htm |
| 09:15.03 | Azio | heh |
| 09:15.19 | Guerin | berkes: oh, now, the sustainability issue I don't disagree with. You're talking about LESS meat, which is eminently reasonable. But the line that humans aren't supposed to eat any meat flies in the face of all ove evolutionary science. |
| 09:15.21 | tuv | me looks back |
| 09:15.28 | valdyn | liable: and ironically they are 'aryans' |
| 09:15.58 | fullmoon | "eating meat" is a big step to evolution |
| 09:15.58 | Azio | :( |
| 09:15.59 | xingu | get a room you two |
| 09:16.07 | liable | valdyn: erm, aryan due to my lack of education seems a dirty word, sec, let me read the link |
| 09:16.32 | berkes | Guerin: okay. I did not mean to say we /should not/. I meant to point out that its not that we /must/ eat meat. |
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| 09:16.49 | fullmoon | indeed |
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| 09:17.05 | valdyn | liable: aryan is the 'race' the nazi used to define as 'uber mensch' |
| 09:17.07 | Azio | berkes yeah.. |
| 09:17.15 | Kevin` | berkes unless there's more animals then plants near you |
| 09:17.15 | Azio | i think that im not the one making wild statements here :D |
| 09:17.16 | fullmoon | eat meat = more energy = quick evolution |
| 09:17.19 | valdyn | liable: though totally unrelated to that himalaya tribe |
| 09:17.33 | Azio | to say that humans are solely "designed to eat meat" is utter stupidity |
| 09:17.48 | liable | valdyn: ya, as i said, due to my lack of education (/knowledge) :) |
| 09:17.51 | fullmoon | see the teeth |
| 09:17.58 | Azio | being a teacher, i'd have thought you'd not be so quick to the ball :) |
| 09:18.05 | Yamaraj | I'm not suggesting that humans are not supposed to eat meat because of the inherent design or ancestry. I respect animal rights and wouldn't think about eating them out of compassion. I see them as equal worthy of living as any human. |
| 09:18.10 | Azio | I have no patience, ironically, for unreasonable people. |
| 09:18.12 | Azio | >:D |
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| 09:18.28 | Kevin` | Azio who said 'solely' |
| 09:18.31 | fullmoon | hahaha |
| 09:18.33 | azeem | dudes, this discussions seems to be off-topic |
| 09:18.45 | liable | Azio: more the fool is you. arguing with people you dont agree with is for the better of them and you |
| 09:18.55 | Azio | <Guerin> Yamaraj: humans are designed to eat animals. |
| 09:18.57 | lilliput | hi guys |
| 09:19.10 | Azio | liable no, not fool me :) |
| 09:19.14 | Kevin` | Azio humans ARE designed to eat animals |
| 09:19.18 | Kevin` | go out and try :) |
| 09:19.24 | Azio | I'm saying I have no patience for irresponsibly arrogant and unreasonable people. |
| 09:19.31 | lilliput | not sure what to do go this weird pb: "FATAL ERROR: Bad logical partition 7: enlarged logical partitions overlap" |
| 09:19.34 | fullmoon | "human is designed to eat each others" |
| 09:19.34 | Azio | Who have more interest in proving my english wrong, than my proofs of concept. |
| 09:19.35 | Azio | :P |
| 09:19.41 | Azio | To me, thats petty. :D |
| 09:19.41 | fullmoon | at least, in china |
| 09:19.43 | lilliput | is there any way to correct that ? |
| 09:19.46 | Yamaraj | tuv: There are industrialized animal production lines. I wonder if eating humans is a solution to keeping a tap on growing population? Sounds unreasonable? |
| 09:19.54 | azeem | fullmoon: where you get that? |
| 09:19.56 | valdyn | nonsense, human are mammals that can eat 'everything', just like bears, they dont 'require' meat ( nor do bears ) |
| 09:20.00 | liable | Azio: well, yeah, live and learn. i love to argue a point and find the other persons point. if you arent willing to do that, then yes, you are a fool |
| 09:20.11 | Azio | No, I never said that. |
| 09:20.12 | Azio | lol |
| 09:20.13 | liable | fullmoon: wtf? |
| 09:20.21 | Azio | liable: dont misquote me man. |
| 09:20.24 | Coweater | Yamaraj: of course it's a solution, unfortunately it's taboo nearly everywhere |
| 09:20.28 | fullmoon | a small joke |
| 09:20.37 | liable | Azio: i didnt quote you at all |
| 09:20.40 | azeem | dudes, this discussion seems to be off-topic |
| 09:20.45 | tuv | Yamaraj, of course not. animals exist so that people can utilize them for many things, one of which is eating |
| 09:20.49 | Guerin | azeem: that never happens in here! |
| 09:20.50 | Azio | well you just said that im unwilling to do that |
| 09:20.54 | Azio | When did i say i was unwilling to do it? |
| 09:20.55 | Azio | :D |
| 09:20.56 | liable | Azio: it was an interpretation of your statements |
| 09:20.57 | Azio | seriously :D |
| 09:21.00 | Azio | well. |
| 09:21.05 | Azio | Why not just stick to the facts? |
| 09:21.10 | Guerin | animals don't exist for a purpose, they just do. And so do we. |
| 09:21.12 | Yamaraj | tuv: Animals existed long before there was any damned human. They're not here so we can utilize them. |
| 09:21.19 | tuv | Yamaraj, and there always will be meat-eating humans, no matter what others do |
| 09:21.20 | Azio | RAther than guess what i could or could not mean |
| 09:21.25 | Azio | Because I find that almost as offensive of being called stupid. |
| 09:21.29 | azeem | Guerin: unfortunately, it does |
| 09:21.40 | liable | Azio: and you say my interpretation sucks, and thats cool, thats te whole poitn :) |
| 09:21.43 | tuv | Yamaraj, you're referring to another set of animals |
| 09:21.46 | Azio | :D |
| 09:21.51 | Azio | liable: yeah sure.. good point :) |
| 09:21.52 | Guerin | tuv: not necessarily. |
| 09:21.53 | berkes | Yamaraj: watch the film soyland green :) |
| 09:22.02 | Yamaraj | azeem: But, at least it's a 'humane' discussion, not a foul flame war. :-) |
| 09:22.12 | Yamaraj | "Soylent Green" |
| 09:22.12 | Guerin | tuv: vegetarians, if they prove more viable, could eventually dominate |
| 09:22.15 | azeem | Yamaraj: that doesn't matter. Stop it now. |
| 09:22.39 | azeem | lilliput: where do you get that? |
| 09:22.46 | lilliput | cfdisk |
| 09:22.57 | Azio | liable: im just fucking sick and tired of people correcting my english completely ignoring my point.. |
| 09:23.04 | lilliput | I also got the fdisk -l if you wanted it |
| 09:23.06 | Azio | im sure he understand without the bloody ' |
| 09:23.07 | Azio | :P |
| 09:23.22 | Coweater | does mozilla have an editor? |
| 09:23.30 | Kevin` | lilliput what did you do to cause such an overlap? |
| 09:23.37 | lilliput | just was trying to mount or create a new partition that I had left on my hdd |
| 09:23.37 | tuv | Guerin, i could never believe that there are actually people who really believe in being vegetarian.. i just can't understand their point-of-view |
| 09:23.37 | wols_ | Coweater: yes |
| 09:23.41 | Azio | *calms |
| 09:23.56 | highlands | is Seamonkey out? |
| 09:23.57 | Guerin | tuv: your lack of belief don't change the reality of the matter. |
| 09:24.01 | liable | Azio: point, *but*, dude, you will get that your whole goddamn life, so get used to defending it rationally :) |
| 09:24.07 | valdyn | tuv: there's many, for instance that meal has 10 times of any toxin compared to a plant |
| 09:24.09 | highlands | I want Seamonkey... |
| 09:24.11 | Azio | heh liable.. |
| 09:24.11 | blaamann_home | Coweater: Ctrl-E |
| 09:24.13 | tuv | Guerin, that's the sad bit! |
| 09:24.14 | Azio | good point. |
| 09:24.22 | valdyn | tuv: that's already a good reason ) |
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| 09:24.34 | lilliput | Kevin`, I have stricly no idea this never happen to me in my 6 years with linux even so it was not the pure love in the first years |
| 09:24.35 | valdyn | tuv: s/any/many/ |
| 09:24.50 | liable | Azio: look past the minor things, defend whats important. :) |
| 09:24.55 | Azio | liable: but are you now saying im being irrational? lol :D |
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| 09:25.02 | Azio | liable yeah sure.. |
| 09:25.08 | liable | Azio: not at all |
| 09:25.08 | Kevin` | lilliput well, what did you last do the partitions? |
| 09:25.08 | Azio | I just dont like people that are overly arrogant |
| 09:25.16 | Azio | Im almost the opposite of arrogant |
| 09:25.20 | Azio | I love to blame myself |
| 09:25.25 | Guerin | valdyn: ANY toxin? Bullshit. |
| 09:25.26 | liable | Azio: arrogance is your perception |
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| 09:25.31 | Azio | I am joyful about being wrong, because at least there is something I can do about it. |
| 09:25.33 | Azio | liable? |
| 09:25.36 | valdyn | Guerin: yea, i corrected, 'many' |
| 09:25.39 | liable | Azio: it may well be true, but.... |
| 09:25.44 | Azio | Arrogance is a thing it may be relative, but it does exist |
| 09:25.45 | Azio | :) |
| 09:25.51 | Guerin | azeem: people who you think are arrogant arent; they're just right. |
| 09:25.54 | azeem | Azio, liable: please take this private |
| 09:25.55 | Guerin | oh, sorry |
| 09:25.56 | liable | Azio: move above it |
| 09:25.59 | Guerin | Azio: |
| 09:26.04 | Azio | Its OK |
| 09:26.07 | Azio | I've said what i wanted to. |
| 09:26.15 | lilliput | Kevin`, can give you my fdisk -l if you want more details, to be honnest the installation was 3 or 4 months ago and can't really remember |
| 09:26.21 | Azio | Sorry if i've upset anyone putting Guerin in his place. But he seemed so eager putting me in mine. :) |
| 09:26.28 | Azio | enjoy your dog |
| 09:26.35 | azeem | Azio: eh, you just wanted to stop |
| 09:26.35 | Kevin` | lilliput well did you write data to all of the partitions? |
| 09:26.45 | Kevin` | show fdisk -l, yes |
| 09:27.01 | tuv | industrialized animal production is not a reason not to eat animals. one can fight that idea if not comfortable with it without stopping to eat animals |
| 09:27.05 | Azio | thanks for your help earlier liable |
| 09:27.10 | liable | np |
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| 09:27.19 | Azio | other guys too, thanks :) |
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| 09:27.23 | Azio | im off for a while ttys |
| 09:27.28 | valdyn | tuv: that's just your opinion anyway |
| 09:27.29 | lilliput | Kevin`, waiting for u on #flood |
| 09:27.31 | Yamaraj | tuv: Your "point-of-view" will change when you encounter a sadistic cannibal, and you wouldn't be able to make him understand that humans were never supposed to eat other humans. |
| 09:27.36 | liable | azeem: let us have some discussion every once in a while :) |
| 09:27.54 | Azio | i love meat |
| 09:27.55 | Azio | :D |
| 09:28.06 | highlands | it's time, isn't it? |
| 09:28.12 | Azio | >:D |
| 09:28.15 | Azio | pizza me thinks |
| 09:28.53 | highlands | tonight is the <roasting meat> night |
| 09:29.04 | Azio | roast dinner, sunday? :D |
| 09:29.06 | Azio | mmm |
| 09:29.08 | Guerin | did I get put in my place? |
| 09:29.14 | tuv | Yamaraj, if you can prove that animals think of people the way i would think of this sadistic cannibal, then we can continue this argument, otherwise it's not a valid one |
| 09:29.19 | Azio | Guerin: I dont really care anymore. moving on : |
| 09:29.24 | Guerin | fair enough |
| 09:29.29 | highlands | <fullmoon> + <roasting meat> = ??? |
| 09:29.37 | Azio | Guerin: liable is a wise man |
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| 09:29.48 | valdyn | tuv: so it would be ok for a cannibalist to eat babies, as they cant think as we do |
| 09:29.55 | valdyn | tuv: very reasonable |
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| 09:30.17 | azeem | liable: sure, in #debian-offtopic |
| 09:30.20 | tuv | valdyn, yes, if a grown up sheep can thing but a baby one can't |
| 09:30.23 | Azio | lol azeem |
| 09:30.41 | valdyn | tuv: no, both cant, so he could eat both |
| 09:30.48 | azeem | valdyn, tuv: hi, please take this discussion elsewhere, kthxbye |
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| 09:31.18 | Azio | sorry, it was my fault moaning :P |
| 09:31.27 | streuner_ | what is he reaching for? a second dondelelcaro? |
| 09:31.43 | Azio | thanks for your help |
| 09:31.45 | Azio | i love this channel :) |
| 09:31.47 | Azio | byebye |
| 09:31.53 | highlands | :) |
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| 09:32.06 | liable | azeem: i understand, but every once in while (certainly not that often) there is meaningful spontanious discussion that doesnt last long and would never happen in said channels for such purpose :) |
| 09:32.23 | azeem | liable: I don't cut off discussions immediately |
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| 09:32.33 | herbi | hey guys, i have 1gb of memory in my computer. when i type free, it says i only have 10mb free. someone told me that this is because of reserved or cached memory or something. is there a way to accurately show how much free mem you have? |
| 09:32.33 | azeem | if they wouldn't last long, I wouldn't have to remind people |
| 09:32.36 | liable | azeem: i know. :) |
| 09:33.09 | highlands | herbi, weird |
| 09:33.20 | highlands | herbi, it couldn't be |
| 09:33.31 | valdyn | !free |
| 09:33.31 | dpkg | [free] defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 09:33.38 | herbi | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:33.38 | herbi | Mem: 1036860 1026284 10576 0 4108 611532 |
| 09:33.42 | herbi | see? |
| 09:33.48 | tuv | herbi, i think the second line in 'free' output is what you're looking for |
| 09:33.52 | valdyn | herbi: you need to read the output of free, if you cant interpret, read the manpage? |
| 09:33.57 | valdyn | !free memory |
| 09:33.57 | dpkg | Unlike information, your computer's memory does *not* want to be free. Free RAM is wasted RAM! Linux caches files from disk in RAM for performance gains, and will release the RAM if programs need it. |
| 09:34.18 | valdyn | herbi: there's a 2nd line too |
| 09:34.30 | xingu | it'd be neat if the individual packages on a sodimm supported sleep states |
| 09:34.40 | herbi | valdyn, thats what i was askin for, thanks :) |
| 09:34.43 | highlands | that must be a memory-leaking problem |
| 09:34.53 | wols_ | herbi: the need for caching harddisks and virutal memory combined makes knowing the amount of free mem pointless |
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| 09:35.09 | Coweater | highlands: no |
| 09:35.13 | highlands | O.o |
| 09:35.24 | valdyn | herbi: buffers + cache + free = amount free for new programs |
| 09:35.28 | herbi | wols_, fair enough, thats what someone else said. |
| 09:35.39 | highlands | ohhh |
| 09:35.55 | herbi | wols_, i was just curious on how to check |
| 09:35.58 | herbi | valdyn, thanks again :) |
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| 09:37.13 | herbi | sorry tuv lol |
| 09:37.37 | berkes | can enyone enlighten me about boot.b ? what is it for? |
| 09:38.14 | valdyn | berkes: where is that ? |
| 09:38.21 | highlands | for booting? |
| 09:38.21 | wols_ | berkes: if it's 512bytes, it's a bootsector |
| 09:38.39 | berkes | valdyn: I am trying mondo and it says it cannot find it. |
| 09:39.17 | berkes | locate boot.b tells me nothing either. :/ Could it be because I am running my disks in RAID ? |
| 09:39.27 | valdyn | berkes: no |
| 09:39.36 | Storkme | ho |
| 09:39.44 | highlands | it seems a FAQ |
| 09:40.20 | berkes | wols_: valdyn its not in /boot iether. I am a nitwit when it comes to all this though. |
| 09:40.27 | wols_ | http://www.google.de/search?q=boot.b+mondo&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official |
| 09:40.44 | berkes | wols_: I did not yet google :) |
| 09:40.56 | wols_ | !tell berkes about search |
| 09:41.02 | wols_ | then maybe next time you should? |
| 09:41.30 | valdyn | oh, part of lilo |
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| 09:41.51 | berkes | wols_: it tells me very little too, by the way. |
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| 09:43.05 | iveqy | does anyone know a terminal pdf veiwer? |
| 09:43.09 | wols_ | berkes: but it gives you enough pointers to know where to look if you start using that big lump inside your head,no? |
| 09:43.23 | highlands | hahaha |
| 09:43.24 | berkes | wols_: not really, no. |
| 09:43.25 | wols_ | iveqy: pdftohtml. theny lyix |
| 09:43.27 | wols_ | *lynx |
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| 09:44.13 | Guerin | Azio: how can liable be wise, he's from queensland! |
| 09:44.21 | streuner_ | haha |
| 09:44.31 | streuner_ | so other people are wise? ;-) |
| 09:44.55 | iveqy | wols_: thx |
| 09:44.55 | Guerin | streuner_: depends on the people |
| 09:45.29 | Yamaraj | If girls from Iceland can be hot, anything can happen. |
| 09:45.30 | streuner_ | wise would be not to talk about... |
| 09:45.48 | highlands | I am pretty sure, berkes' problem is in the FAQ |
| 09:46.29 | Guerin | http://bash.org/?685122 # merci for the boat, frenchies |
| 09:47.04 | highlands | berkes, you can go to MARC for searching |
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| 09:47.23 | liable | Guerin: i am moving! not that it matters, i am a slut and have lived everywhere :) |
| 09:47.32 | Guerin | liable: whereunto? |
| 09:47.39 | highlands | http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/ |
| 09:47.48 | liable | Guerin: WA |
| 09:48.03 | Guerin | liable: your family will hate you |
| 09:48.19 | liable | Guerin: i dont care :) |
| 09:48.26 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:48.30 | highlands | ??? |
| 09:49.00 | liable | Guerin: my mom will always love me, no matter how fucked up i am, thats what mom's do :P |
| 09:49.16 | liable | so the point is moot |
| 09:49.29 | Guerin | fair |
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| 09:50.17 | GreatLord | Hi |
| 09:50.30 | GreatLord | does any one want help config up a servre |
| 09:50.39 | GreatLord | something is wrong |
| 09:50.42 | karsten | !tell GreatLord about ask |
| 09:50.47 | karsten | !tell GreatLord about smart questions |
| 09:51.04 | karsten | GreatLord: How about specifics of what server (or service) and the nature of the errors. |
| 09:51.09 | GreatLord | with current config |
| 09:51.14 | roxy_ | !tell GreatLord about stupid Nick |
| 09:51.23 | karsten | roxy_: Um. No need to get personal. |
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| 09:51.58 | roxy_ | GreatLord: sorry, nothing personal :-) |
| 09:52.10 | GreatLord | np |
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| 09:52.19 | GreatLord | I am not linux expert |
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| 09:52.26 | GreatLord | follow thing I try getting |
| 09:52.29 | karsten | GreatLord: Enough with the preambles. What are you trying to do? |
| 09:52.31 | GreatLord | 1. apahice |
| 09:52.34 | GreatLord | 2. mysql |
| 09:52.37 | GreatLord | 3. imap |
| 09:52.40 | karsten | GreatLord: "apache" ? |
| 09:52.41 | highlands | I am a linux/bsd/windoz newbie, ever |
| 09:52.44 | GreatLord | yes |
| 09:52.54 | Guerin | GreatLord: you need only one thing: an administrator |
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| 09:53.08 | highlands | hahahaha |
| 09:53.12 | RolandU | hi all! I have a very stupid problem: I created an "application bar" at the right edge of my screen and then I hid my taskbar behind it. now I cannot find any menus or my taskbar! I only have a plain desktop. with that "application bar" on the right. |
| 09:53.12 | GreatLord | I fuckup the config I do not what |
| 09:53.17 | karsten | GreatLord: personal use or are you providing service to an organization? |
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| 09:53.28 | GreatLord | personal |
| 09:53.31 | Ramattack | hi everybody |
| 09:53.34 | karsten | RolandU: <alt> + left mouse should move window. |
| 09:53.43 | GreatLord | I will have www.greatlord.com hosting there |
| 09:53.54 | karsten | GreatLord: What version of apache were you planning on running, if it matters? |
| 09:54.04 | GreatLord | it does not matter |
| 09:54.15 | RolandU | karsten, the "application bar" does not move. |
| 09:54.16 | GreatLord | the mysql say it can not start |
| 09:54.21 | GreatLord | after I install it |
| 09:54.24 | karsten | What do folks recommend in general: apache1.3 or apache2? |
| 09:54.33 | Guerin | karsten: 2 for blank slates |
| 09:54.33 | Ramattack | hey guys yesterday talking to some rhel members wich worked for red hat tell me that there's no difference between compiling kernel and software that using os packages and delfault kernel... what do you think? |
| 09:54.36 | karsten | GreatLord: /var/log/mysql.log should give details on why. |
| 09:54.37 | GreatLord | I do not care wich |
| 09:54.45 | karsten | Guerin: Thanks. |
| 09:54.46 | Guerin | karsten: 1.3 only if there's a known issue with something you'll be running |
| 09:54.53 | karsten | RolandU: GNOME desktop? |
| 09:54.55 | GreatLord | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:54.55 | GreatLord | /usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 09:54.56 | GreatLord | error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
| 09:54.56 | GreatLord | Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 09:54.56 | GreatLord | /usr/sbin/invoke-rc.d: line 274: /sbin/runlevel: No such file or directory |
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| 09:55.01 | Guerin | or if you need it up in less time than you can be arsed learning the differences |
| 09:55.03 | RolandU | karsten, no, kde |
| 09:55.03 | wols_ | Ramattack: I think you are confused. restate your question |
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| 09:55.21 | highlands | Ramattack, he was right, almost |
| 09:55.29 | Guerin | GreatLord: don't be pastin' |
| 09:55.31 | valdyn | Ramattack: more likely the kernel _you_ create is worse than a stock kernel |
| 09:55.34 | Yamaraj | Learn the IRC etiquette first. |
| 09:55.36 | karsten | RolandU: can you view the window that's hidden behind it? |
| 09:55.38 | GreatLord | soory |
| 09:55.45 | GreatLord | I will use a paste server |
| 09:55.46 | karsten | GreatLord: /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:55.50 | RolandU | karsten, what I need is a key-combination that tells the taskbar to un-hide. |
| 09:56.14 | GreatLord | http://www.reactos.org/paste/index.php/dc912a2/ |
| 09:56.27 | karsten | RolandU: I _think_ you can get the KDE config tool or menus with a mouse button combination on the root window. Not running it ATM. |
| 09:56.39 | liable | whats so fucking great about apache2 anyway? |
| 09:56.41 | wols_ | GreatLord: what did you do to get this message? |
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| 09:56.52 | Guerin | karsten: alt+f2 brings up a command prompt |
| 09:56.53 | GreatLord | wols_ : when it try start mysql |
| 09:57.04 | karsten | RolandU: ^^ |
| 09:57.04 | wols_ | GreatLord: what did you do to get this message? |
| 09:57.11 | karsten | RolandU: Guerin's comment. |
| 09:57.15 | GreatLord | I also get error df can not read db table |
| 09:57.20 | GreatLord | at install |
| 09:57.22 | Guerin | RolandU: and run kcontrol |
| 09:57.25 | valdyn | GreatLord: dpkg -l sysvinit |
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| 09:57.26 | Yamaraj | liable: Increase complexity, hence more bugs. |
| 09:57.28 | wols_ | GreatLord: what did you do to get this message? |
| 09:57.31 | RolandU | ah kcontrol, that's a good idea! |
| 09:57.38 | Yamaraj | *Increased |
| 09:57.39 | GreatLord | install mysql |
| 09:57.43 | Ramattack | valdyn can't understand that... I've got qmail servers running with they're own kernels... and compiled with the processor flags and are wuite more fast that stock kernels and softweare packages... |
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| 09:57.46 | Guerin | liable: efficiency, speed, scalability apparently better |
| 09:57.52 | liable | Yamaraj: sounds like a good deal :/ |
| 09:57.55 | GreatLord | I can give access to the server |
| 09:57.56 | Guerin | liable: i still use 1.3 |
| 09:58.02 | Guerin | !shell access |
| 09:58.02 | dpkg | DON'T be a moron. Offering shell access to random people you meet on IRC is the WORST thing you can do for your box's health. Yes, even if they offer to help you or fix something. Before sharing shell access, ask yourself this: Will I be able to go over to this person and stab them in the face with a spork? If not, you probably do not want to give them access. |
| 09:58.03 | GreatLord | for any one that want help |
| 09:58.03 | liable | Guerin: likewise |
| 09:58.03 | valdyn | Ramattack: wuite? |
| 09:58.13 | wols_ | GreatLord: what did you TYPE? and if it's some form of apt-get, from which branch of debian? |
| 09:58.19 | Ramattack | valdyn quite |
| 09:58.34 | RolandU | ah! thanks Guerin, karsten ! |
| 09:58.35 | GreatLord | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:58.38 | valdyn | Ramattack: benchmark you setup against the default or whatever, then you know the benefit.. it wont be large |
| 09:58.47 | GreatLord | debian sarge |
| 09:59.23 | Ramattack | valdyn but if you have a quite big ammount of users in that servers? |
| 09:59.33 | GreatLord | anyone want take a look |
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| 09:59.37 | karsten | Ramattack: Benchmarking will let you know if you've got a benefit. |
| 09:59.44 | karsten | GreatLord: Don't hand out shell on IRC. |
| 09:59.47 | valdyn | Ramattack: then you're probably better off using the default tested stuff, even if its slower |
| 09:59.48 | GreatLord | want play with the server to solv my pronöe, |
| 09:59.59 | GreatLord | I will give vnc access to my windows |
| 10:00.01 | GreatLord | machine |
| 10:00.07 | karsten | Ramattack: If you know of specific compile options, you _can_ build your own kernel under debian. |
| 10:00.09 | GreatLord | then shell access |
| 10:00.18 | reilithion | Wow. I joined #humor and there's nobody in there... |
| 10:00.20 | karsten | GreatLord: Don't do that. |
| 10:00.20 | wols_ | !moron GreatLord |
| 10:00.20 | dpkg | GreatLord: You are moron #96 |
| 10:00.35 | Ramattack | karsten I actually bouild kernels for my server |
| 10:00.36 | karsten | reilithion: Everyone knows there's no humor on IRC. |
| 10:00.37 | Ramattack | servers |
| 10:00.49 | liable | GreatLord: really, dont offer acces to your box on irc |
| 10:01.00 | Ramattack | valdyn so you wanna say ISP uses default OS packages? |
| 10:01.02 | karsten | Ramattack: Then do it and test the results. Jawboning is one thing that's never sped up _any_ server. |
| 10:01.11 | GreatLord | I often do but it is under supervison then |
| 10:01.18 | Guerin | Ramattack: why wouldn't they? |
| 10:01.19 | valdyn | Ramattack: ask that isp, im sure some do |
| 10:01.31 | Guerin | Ramattack: debian kernel images are *good* |
| 10:01.32 | valdyn | Ramattack: it COSTS to build stuff yourself |
| 10:01.46 | liable | Guerin: no, they suck actually |
| 10:01.51 | GreatLord | and I change the password to my windows machine |
| 10:01.53 | Guerin | liable: not at all. |
| 10:01.59 | karsten | liable: Do they suck like a Vax? |
| 10:02.06 | valdyn | Ramattack: that's obvious w/o coming to the point where custom stuff has hard to get support for |
| 10:02.07 | roxy_ | GreatLord: supervision of who ? you said you were a newbie |
| 10:02.11 | liable | karsten: like a h00v3r |
| 10:02.13 | valdyn | Ramattack: that's obvious w/o coming to the point where custom stuff is hard to get support for |
| 10:02.15 | GreatLord | on linux yes |
| 10:02.25 | reilithion | liable: Do they suck in a metaphorical sense? |
| 10:02.37 | GreatLord | I give acces to windows -> use putty after I login |
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| 10:02.44 | wols_ | GreatLord: just offering access to your network on irc to a public chanmel shows what a moron you are, no matter the OS |
| 10:02.46 | liable | reilithion: they suck entirely if you have a laptop |
| 10:02.49 | Guerin | g8m: DO NTO LET RANDOM IDIOTS LOG INTO YOUR COMPUTER |
| 10:02.54 | Guerin | oh dear |
| 10:03.00 | Guerin | GreatLord: SEE ABOVE |
| 10:03.09 | Guerin | g8m: sorreh. |
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| 10:03.14 | Ramattack | valdyn don't understand you're last sentence sorry |
| 10:03.16 | wols_ | Guerin: the people getting access to his computer aren't idiots. He himself is the idiot |
| 10:03.17 | liable | and a -capslock |
| 10:03.18 | roxy_ | I am not random |
| 10:03.21 | karsten | g8m: Don't let Guerin log into your computer ;-) |
| 10:03.27 | Guerin | wols_: that's a good point. |
| 10:03.29 | reilithion | I am, though. |
| 10:03.31 | valdyn | Ramattack: maybe there's a debian channel for your native language |
| 10:03.38 | karsten | roxy_: You're stochastic, good enough. |
| 10:03.39 | Guerin | karsten: i'd enter the password wrong anyway |
| 10:03.41 | wols_ | GreatLord: have you got the point now? |
| 10:03.44 | Ramattack | yep but nobody there |
| 10:04.05 | valdyn | Ramattack: custom means that you wont find support for it easily |
| 10:04.06 | reilithion | What the heck is geightm supposed to mean anyway? |
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| 10:04.09 | Ramattack | I understand english quite fine... but can't understand you're last sentence... |
| 10:04.11 | karsten | Guerin: while we're on KDE, any way to bump up scale in Konqueror viewing a PDF? |
| 10:04.17 | liable | funnily, i had a silly person let me ssh to thier box, and was the consumate angel |
| 10:04.20 | Ramattack | I see... |
| 10:04.30 | Guerin | karsten: it's kpdf, so ctrl++ should do it |
| 10:04.32 | valdyn | Ramattack: one of the first things _this_ channel will tell you if you want support for a kernel issue is to use a debian kernel or not get any help |
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| 10:04.39 | Ramattack | so for example gentoo optimizations are in you're opinion a myth? |
| 10:04.42 | liable | but, there was no fucking way that they could have known otherwise |
| 10:04.42 | karsten | Guerin: Nope. |
| 10:04.47 | Guerin | karsten: just xpdf with less ugliness |
| 10:04.50 | Guerin | oh, really |
| 10:04.52 | valdyn | Ramattack: they're a support nightmare |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | stupid kde |
| 10:05.00 | Guerin | Ramattack: yes. |
| 10:05.03 | liable | reilithion: oh dear, gentoo is on the whle a great fucking joke |
| 10:05.05 | Guerin | !gentoosmite Ramattack |
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| 10:05.13 | Guerin | Ramattack: see? |
| 10:05.15 | karsten | Guerin: Hope it's not supposed to be keypad, Thinkpad keyboard. |
| 10:05.18 | GreatLord | wols_ : 1. the passwprod + username to vnc is change and encrypte after I let people have tempary acces |
| 10:05.36 | wols_ | Ramattack: I always compile my own kernel,s but the biggest benefit you get is faster loadtimes (and possibly a more current kernel depending on debian version and your gusto) and sometimes a patched kernel, e.g. L7 filter |
| 10:05.39 | Guerin | Ramattack: even gentoo devs admit that the main advantage of building stuff yourself is package selection and USE flags, not performance |
| 10:05.45 | wols_ | but speed is not really a reason |
| 10:05.50 | karsten | GreatLord: letting random people fuck with your systems, regardless of the temporarary password config, is a *bad* idea. |
| 10:06.06 | Guerin | amazingly bad |
| 10:06.10 | karsten | GreatLord: It also crosses the line for some of us from gratis online IRC support to what we do for money. |
| 10:06.28 | karsten | Guerin: and *rice* |
| 10:06.33 | wols_ | GreatLord: after someone foreign was on your box with root access, that box is compromised forever. FOREVER. |
| 10:06.37 | Guerin | karsten: i just ate rice! |
| 10:06.45 | wols_ | GreatLord: and that applies to windows and linux both, period |
| 10:06.46 | karsten | Guerin: Kondi? |
| 10:06.53 | Yamaraj | lol |
| 10:06.54 | Guerin | karsten: too stringy |
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| 10:07.05 | karsten | Guerin: That's brown rice.... |
| 10:07.34 | Guerin | karsten: Yamaraj" there's a sign on the local Organics shop here which says: What would an organic Rice Bush grow? Sustainable peace. |
| 10:07.41 | Ramattack | Guerin: yep but if you combine a customized kernel and a source with aproppiate flags compilation.... wow I've got quite powerfull machines for example talking about qmail mysql... mail servers |
| 10:07.42 | liable | yes, farmed by dogs.. |
| 10:07.46 | Yamaraj | Or, brown 'sugar'. |
| 10:07.49 | Guerin | just go get back to our food conversation |
| 10:07.57 | Guerin | karsten: i had brown rice, too |
| 10:08.11 | Guerin | Ramattack: qmail ... powerful ... haha |
| 10:08.21 | liable | yes, dont worry, this OT stuff has been noted! |
| 10:08.21 | valdyn | Ramattack: do you even understand what you are talking about? those 10% or hell 30% you may gain mean nothing at all |
| 10:08.24 | Guerin | Ramattack: a powerful way to triple the amount of spam in the internet, yeah |
| 10:08.36 | robin_sz | qmail sucks, but I havent figured out how to use vpopmail with exim yet |
| 10:08.50 | Guerin | robin_sz: plenty of other popds |
| 10:09.02 | robin_sz | Guerin, sadly not. |
| 10:09.04 | reilithion | Okay, so I was lying in bed trying to sleep. Do I count sheep? No. I try to figure out how many games of Tic-tac-toe there are and calculate 9! in my head. It comes out as 290304. And I actually REALIZE that it's because I must have multiplied another 4 instead of a 5 in there! |
| 10:09.08 | Ramattack | qmail sucks?¿?¿?¿?¿ I'm quite happy with it... |
| 10:09.14 | Guerin | robin_sz: courier is fine |
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| 10:09.24 | Guerin | robin_sz: yeah, but we've already established your credentials |
| 10:09.27 | Ramattack | qmail as smtp is te best one.... sure... |
| 10:09.28 | Guerin | oh damnit |
| 10:09.29 | Guerin | Ramattack: |
| 10:09.29 | valdyn | Ramattack: but beside that, stock debian kernels already come optimised for your cpu |
| 10:09.31 | robin_sz | Ramattack, then you dont uderstand why it is responsible for most interent spam then do you? |
| 10:09.40 | wols_ | robin_sz: and as a bonus it lets you ditch pop3 since it has imap |
| 10:09.46 | Guerin | Ramattack: /msg dpkg qmail for why is sucks more than MS exchange |
| 10:09.58 | robin_sz | wols_, does "courier" still have vpopmail? |
| 10:09.59 | karsten | reilithion: 362880 |
| 10:10.09 | Ramattack | robin_sz: qmail and spam??¿?¿ it depend's on how have you set up.... |
| 10:10.12 | wols_ | robin_sz: no. courier-imap or courier-pop3 |
| 10:10.26 | reilithion | Thanks, karsten. I came up with that after I divided by 4 and multiplied by 5. |
| 10:10.32 | karsten | reilithion: ;-) |
| 10:10.34 | Guerin | Ramattack: the default setup sends a bounce message for every spam it gets |
| 10:10.40 | Ramattack | lol!!! |
| 10:10.42 | reilithion | In my freaking head! |
| 10:10.46 | Guerin | Ramattack: the DEFAULT SETUP which can';t be changed due to the license |
| 10:10.51 | Ramattack | Guerin: but there's where a sysadmin starts to work!! |
| 10:10.55 | karsten | reilithion: I came up with it after reading the factorial definition in bc(1) and running it ;-) |
| 10:10.59 | Guerin | Ramattack: the sysadmin SHOULD NOT HAVE TO |
| 10:11.03 | karsten | reilithion: You're sick. |
| 10:11.07 | Ramattack | Guerin: I ensure you my qmail servers don't send any spam |
| 10:11.13 | wols_ | Ramattack: just the fact that it's non-Free should prevent you from using it |
| 10:11.39 | robin_sz | Ramattack, OK, IP address of one of your qmail servers please? |
| 10:12.01 | karsten | Ramattack: You *are* familiar with blowback spam, correct? |
| 10:12.10 | reilithion | karsten: I feel like one of those poor fools whose kitchen catches fire or who finds out there's a tornado outside and then comes and tells everyone on IRC about it. Only the disaster is that I'm a nerd. :-/ |
| 10:12.23 | robin_sz | Ramattack, how did you solve the incorrect 250 OK message to a none existent address? |
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| 10:12.45 | Ramattack | the qmail-send erases that message automatically |
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| 10:13.00 | Guerin | Ramattack: IF you patch the source before building |
| 10:13.06 | Ramattack | obviously |
| 10:13.17 | Guerin | Ramattack: which is like having to install SP4 before putting your box online |
| 10:13.20 | Ramattack | I have working on my qmail implementations more that 7 months |
| 10:13.26 | Guerin | Ramattack: the point being it's broken by default |
| 10:13.33 | Guerin | oo, 7 months! |
| 10:13.41 | Guerin | oldest mail server setup evar! |
| 10:13.42 | Ramattack | for getting a powerfull machine with domino server functionality |
| 10:13.50 | Ramattack | with all domino options |
| 10:13.56 | Guerin | !domino |
| 10:13.58 | Ramattack | or almost... |
| 10:14.01 | Guerin | pizza? |
| 10:14.05 | Ramattack | lol |
| 10:14.08 | Guerin | oh, I get it! |
| 10:14.09 | Ramattack | domino over suse is fine |
| 10:14.18 | Guerin | whenever you get a spam, qmail orders you a pizza! |
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| 10:14.21 | Guerin | awesome |
| 10:14.28 | reilithion | lol |
| 10:14.40 | robin_sz | the trouble is ... people end up using qmail simply to get vpopmail |
| 10:14.43 | Guerin | as long as you can make someone else pay (for the pizza, and the cost of bouncing the spam) |
| 10:14.51 | Guerin | robin_sz: i don't see why. |
| 10:14.53 | robin_sz | and theres no substitute for vpopmail afaik |
| 10:14.54 | karsten | Guerin: GreatLord? |
| 10:15.05 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How do I configure ProFTPd to let me delete files from my HDD? |
| 10:15.08 | Guerin | karsten: he's certainly gullible enough |
| 10:15.15 | karsten | Guerin: I mean, we've shelled onto his system and snarfed his CC #'s out of browser cache. |
| 10:15.23 | Guerin | Inf3rn0_Laptop: you don't need a ftpd to delete files. |
| 10:15.29 | karsten | Inf3rn0_Laptop: Please lord don't. |
| 10:15.29 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I know |
| 10:15.31 | Guerin | karsten: oh. Good idea. |
| 10:15.40 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Well, atleast upload |
| 10:15.49 | Guerin | Inf3rn0_Laptop: install proftpd-doc |
| 10:15.52 | liable | how do i get free pizza? |
| 10:16.03 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Social engeneering |
| 10:16.07 | Guerin | liable: ask GreatLord for his credi^Wip address |
| 10:16.18 | karsten | liable: 1: shell onto GreatLord's computer and snarf his CC#. 2: Send email to Ramattack. |
| 10:16.24 | Guerin | liable: and apply Ramattack's qmail-domino patch |
| 10:16.36 | Ramattack | lol |
| 10:16.42 | Yamaraj | You send marines in the harm's (pizza-boy's) way and make him not deliver to you in 30mins. |
| 10:16.44 | Ramattack | no no I use john simpson patch |
| 10:16.45 | karsten | liable: ... or attend a Campus Crusade for Christ meeting. |
| 10:16.52 | liable | aw, cant one of you smart guys just do it and send it to me? |
| 10:17.18 | Guerin | liable: sorry, no pineapple |
| 10:17.20 | liable | karsten: i want thick crust! |
| 10:17.34 | karsten | liable: Please load cardstock in your fax machin.e |
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| 10:17.40 | Guerin | argh, daylight saving is doing my brain in |
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| 10:17.51 | tuv | i'm looking for a set of desklets (for gdesklets) with a unified theme (like sideCandy). any suggestions? |
| 10:18.28 | Yamaraj | Sends liable a GM'ed pizza that will grow hairs on her face. |
| 10:18.37 | liable | her? |
| 10:18.40 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:18.48 | karsten | liable: It's *very* GM. |
| 10:18.53 | Guerin | liable: you put the Queen in Queensland |
| 10:18.59 | Yamaraj | Haha |
| 10:19.08 | liable | wow, i must be gay then |
| 10:19.20 | karsten | Guerin: You put the "sheep are scared" in New Zealand. |
| 10:19.26 | liable | not that theres anything wrong with that... |
| 10:19.28 | reilithion | Wait. I think this isn't liable's fax number. I think it's for that Chinese guy with the Uzi. |
| 10:19.44 | Guerin | liable: i once forgot where a mate lived - brisbane, but I thought it was sydney. He said "I live in Queensland, not Queen Land" |
| 10:19.55 | liable | haha |
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| 10:20.16 | liable | that actually made me giggle |
| 10:20.39 | reilithion | Hey. Poll: What IDE do you use? |
| 10:20.50 | Guerin | reilithion: the ones on my motherboard |
| 10:20.53 | liable | mines a intel chipset |
| 10:21.00 | Guerin | i think VIA |
| 10:21.07 | Yamaraj | Emacs |
| 10:21.13 | karsten | reilithion: Linux. |
| 10:21.14 | robin_sz | well, congrats to Ramattack .. looks ;like he patched his qmail nicely |
| 10:21.15 | Guerin | Yamaraj: emacs make hardware? |
| 10:21.16 | reilithion | Er, I mean Integrated Development Environment |
| 10:21.25 | Yamaraj | Guerin: See? |
| 10:21.26 | Guerin | reilithion: oh. Emacs. |
| 10:21.39 | robin_sz | some IDE |
| 10:21.42 | Guerin | Yamaraj: i was being obfuscatory |
| 10:21.50 | Ramattack | lol using hours... and thanks to John Simpson!! |
| 10:21.55 | Yamaraj | Guerin: I thought so. |
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| 10:22.14 | Guerin | reilithion: when you could have just installed exim or postfix and had it not be shit righjt out of the box. |
| 10:22.29 | robin_sz | Guerin, you can use emacs as an IDE? I thought it was a new client? |
| 10:22.37 | Guerin | robin_sz: i't a * client |
| 10:22.38 | reilithion | Guerin: O.o |
| 10:22.49 | Guerin | reilithion: i'm just really bad at irc |
| 10:22.53 | robin_sz | Guerin, but does exim work with vpopmail? |
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| 10:22.57 | Guerin | get used to it |
| 10:23.03 | Guerin | robin_sz: no, but it works with anything else |
| 10:23.19 | robin_sz | but nothing else does what vpopmail does .. |
| 10:23.20 | reilithion | Guerin: How can you be bad at IRC? ^_^ It's just multiplayer notepad with optional tab-completion. |
| 10:23.27 | Ramattack | in my opinion there's no problem using qmail if you know how to implement it.... but it's my opinion... |
| 10:23.32 | Guerin | reilithion: it's the tab completion I really struggle with |
| 10:23.33 | wols_ | robin_sz: any sufficiently complicated program can be replaced with a better version consisting of emacs, including IDEs |
| 10:23.54 | Guerin | reilithion: what particularly do you need? |
| 10:24.01 | Guerin | *sigh* |
| 10:24.10 | wols_ | Ramattack: there is no problem with using Windows or Exchange if you know how, but would you really want to? |
| 10:24.10 | Guerin | robin_sz: what particularly do you need? |
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| 10:24.25 | Ramattack | don't compare that lol!! |
| 10:24.41 | Charminthemoose | vi FTW! |
| 10:24.43 | Ramattack | that's not like that I tell you... |
| 10:24.47 | Guerin | robin_sz: why? both are non-free and require extensive fucking around to work with, and are made by idiots. |
| 10:24.50 | wols_ | Ramattack: then compare it with sendmail if you wish. same thing |
| 10:24.51 | karsten | Ramattack: qmail optimizes _one_ aspect of mail operations (security) at a cost of many others (general flexibility), is non-free licensed, breaks a number of things by defaults, requires extensive patching to both make useful and keep updated, and offers very few if any benefits over a number of alternatives suffering none of these limitations. |
| 10:25.06 | reilithion | Guerin: Well, I'd like to get something that can minimize comment blocks. You know, with a little [+] on one line maybe that you can click or strike and it'll roll out the comment block or hide it back away. |
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| 10:25.28 | Ramattack | Sendmail?¿?¿ sendmail has had lot of bugs!!! |
| 10:25.32 | karsten | reilithion: Most IDEs offer that. emacs certainly does. |
| 10:25.37 | Guerin | reilithion: eew. |
| 10:25.45 | Guerin | reilithion: it's called code folding |
| 10:25.49 | reilithion | ah |
| 10:25.50 | reilithion | aha |
| 10:25.50 | robin_sz | Guerin, multiple domains, multiple user accounts, web based method to create, modify and delete users. right now I have 20 vpopmail domains with around 5000 users |
| 10:25.53 | karsten | Ramattack: Um. Sendmail *isn't* among the reasonable alternatives I'm considering. |
| 10:25.58 | Ramattack | does anybody know or has a guide on how to setup hp hardware servers on debian? |
| 10:26.00 | reilithion | Guerin: Why the "eew"? |
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| 10:26.23 | karsten | Ramattack: Um. Get debian installer. Install debain. |
| 10:26.23 | robin_sz | Guerin, simple single command line to add a new domain |
| 10:26.28 | Guerin | robin_sz: i have all that with postfix, courier, a mysql database and some php behind a htaccess |
| 10:26.29 | karsten | Ramattack: s/ain/ian/ |
| 10:26.31 | Kevin` | Ramattack actually, I expect HP itself has such a guide |
| 10:26.36 | Kevin` | but you probably won't need it |
| 10:26.53 | Ramattack | smartarray 642 is supported by sarge? |
| 10:27.01 | Guerin | Ramattack: how old is it? |
| 10:27.15 | liable | whats the chipset? |
| 10:27.20 | Ramattack | wich one Guerin? |
| 10:27.24 | robin_sz | Guerin, never found a php front end to do that ... URL? |
| 10:27.29 | Guerin | Ramattack: the one you're talking about. |
| 10:27.32 | liable | with a hyperbole name like that, i doubt it |
| 10:27.43 | Ramattack | Guerin: smartarray? |
| 10:27.48 | Guerin | robin_sz: it's called postfixadmin, I think it's written by the guy who runs high5.net |
| 10:27.59 | robin_sz | k |
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| 10:28.05 | karsten | Ramattack: Is that HP or Dell kit? |
| 10:28.10 | Guerin | Ramattack: sorry, too much energy required to get useful output. |
| 10:28.24 | robin_sz | Guerin, and is there a similar alternative to robomail |
| 10:28.32 | Guerin | robin_sz: what does it do? |
| 10:28.36 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Where did proftpd-doc go when I downloaded it? |
| 10:28.43 | Ramattack | Guerin: excuse me lol but can't understand you |
| 10:28.47 | robin_sz | Guerin, bulk mail |
| 10:28.48 | Guerin | Inf3rn0_Laptop: /usr/share/doc/ |
| 10:28.53 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ty |
| 10:29.05 | reilithion | Guerin: I'd also like something that can help me document the code using a template of some kind. I like to use Doxygen, so commands like @author and @parameter get old quickly, but I need to change @version a lot. |
| 10:29.08 | Growly | did god create samba to work at all? |
| 10:29.12 | Growly | cause, like, it doesn't. ever. |
| 10:29.20 | Guerin | robin_sz: for address in $(cat list) do ... ? |
| 10:29.24 | robin_sz | Growly, does for me. first tiem every time |
| 10:29.25 | ak70 | hi, I just installed the compiz package offered in sid, but how can I change the theme? |
| 10:29.26 | Guerin | robin_sz: dunno, haven't looked. |
| 10:29.41 | robin_sz | Guerin, its on inter7.com |
| 10:29.42 | Growly | robin_sz - do you authenticate with an active directory domain controller |
| 10:29.43 | Growly | ? |
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| 10:30.14 | robin_sz | Growly, of course not! ... I just told you, we use Samba |
| 10:30.34 | robin_sz | what would I be wanting an active directory domain controller for? |
| 10:30.52 | robin_sz | that would just involve pain and suffering. that stuff never works. |
| 10:31.02 | Growly | in the unlikely event that you were studying for mcse at the same time :( |
| 10:31.07 | Guerin | haha |
| 10:31.24 | Guerin | !pity Growly |
| 10:31.26 | dpkg | I pity da fool Growly! |
| 10:31.28 | blondie | samba works for us at work, authentication against AD |
| 10:31.28 | Growly | well, it only ever authenticates for me half the time |
| 10:31.38 | Growly | and in other situations, like 5 minutes ago, it just plain doesn't work |
| 10:31.40 | robin_sz | better than average then |
| 10:31.44 | blondie | Growly: it's worked just fine, for 5 years. |
| 10:31.44 | Growly | cut out during 30gb transfer |
| 10:31.48 | Growly | i just wanted to rant. |
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| 10:32.19 | robin_sz | AD has a habit of being crap, foegtting stuff and being a pain. its an undocumented nightmare |
| 10:32.31 | blondie | robin_sz: pebkac ;) |
| 10:32.39 | Ramattack | one question : is smartarray 642 supported by debian? |
| 10:32.55 | Ramattack | does anybody have a hp hardware on debian supported list? |
| 10:33.04 | karsten | Ramattack: Ask your HW vendor. Google (web/groups) finds very few relevant hits. |
| 10:33.10 | karsten | Ramattack: How about just trying it? |
| 10:33.18 | karsten | Ramattack: What's the relevant chipset? |
| 10:33.33 | Ramattack | yep because at job we normally work with proliant servers |
| 10:33.40 | karsten | Ramattack: ... and again, HP should have the HW compat list. Debian would be same as any other Linux. |
| 10:34.00 | Ramattack | yep but when you get drivers from hp tells you this OS this kernel |
| 10:34.03 | enouf | Ramattack: see Debian http://wiki.debian.org/ServerHardware |
| 10:34.40 | Ramattack | thanks a lot |
| 10:34.48 | Ramattack | I'll take a look to this link |
| 10:35.16 | liable | whats wrong with scp? |
| 10:35.32 | liable | Growly: mebbe rsync is better for you? |
| 10:36.15 | karsten | Growly: the cool kids this week are using netcat for impromptu file transfers. |
| 10:36.32 | lilliput | Kevin`, I found the missing 200GB .. |
| 10:36.39 | karsten | liable: scp (and rsync) have the overhead of crypto, plus file list generation for rsync. |
| 10:36.40 | Kevin` | Illarane ? |
| 10:36.40 | liable | and telnet |
| 10:36.41 | lilliput | I had to use gparted .. what a shame .. |
| 10:36.55 | karsten | liable: Eew! Telnet?! |
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| 10:37.11 | Kevin` | lilliput was it as I suspected.. just partitioned yourself into a wall? :) |
| 10:37.18 | liable | karsten: so if you dont want the overhead, why not use ftp? |
| 10:37.22 | Growly | liable - unfortunately scp doesn't integrate into windows explorer |
| 10:37.36 | liable | Growly: TEY WINSCP |
| 10:37.51 | lilliput | Kevin`, so fdisk and cfdisk could not read the disk "properly" |
| 10:37.51 | robin_sz | theres winscp |
| 10:37.57 | karsten | liable: nc gets you past having to set up servers. Run an 'nc -l <port>' and you're set. |
| 10:37.58 | Growly | liable - yes i use that, but it doesn't _integrate_! |
| 10:38.03 | liable | fucking capslock key, i am gonna blow that fucker off the keyboard one day |
| 10:38.07 | robin_sz | fuck all integrates into windows |
| 10:38.13 | entropy | could someone please help me. i'm unable to watch DVDs. I have libdvdcss installed, yet I get the following error when using any player I have tried: libdvdread: Error cracking CSS key for /VIDEO_TS/VTS_02_1.VOB (0x00220429)!! |
| 10:38.15 | karsten | liable: Mind, you're riding bare ass to the wind, but it can be useful at times. |
| 10:38.23 | Growly | robin_sz -exactly, so we must try and find solutions. |
| 10:38.30 | Growly | and bitching about moving all my pcs to linux won't help |
| 10:38.32 | lilliput | need to be careful to the next reboot with the fstab has the hdaX changed might need a livecd just in case |
| 10:38.33 | Growly | i'm trying though... |
| 10:38.41 | robin_sz | Growly, the soloution is obvious isnt it? |
| 10:38.45 | karsten | Growly: samba? |
| 10:38.46 | liable | karsten: nothing like having someone blow wind up your butt i giuess |
| 10:38.47 | lilliput | thank you for your help Kevin` :) |
| 10:39.11 | Kevin` | lilliput what did you do, resize the extended one? |
| 10:39.11 | karsten | liable: quite ;-) |
| 10:39.13 | reilithion | entropy: How many different DVDs have you tried to watch? |
| 10:39.15 | robin_sz | oh ... there is ONE (and so far only one) useful tool that integrates well into Windows |
| 10:39.47 | reilithion | robin_sz: What is it? |
| 10:39.55 | lilliput | Kevin`, yep just doing it |
| 10:40.06 | enouf | disease occurs from windows integration |
| 10:40.06 | robin_sz | CVS, via Tortoise CVS. its actually way better than CVS on Linux. way better. |
| 10:40.28 | entropy | reilithion: about 3 |
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| 10:41.15 | reilithion | robin_sz: I'll have to take your word for it. But have you ever tried the RapidSVN front-end to subversion on linux? |
| 10:41.33 | enouf | entropy: ret libdvdcss2 |
| 10:41.42 | enouf | try&\* |
| 10:41.50 | enouf | crap |
| 10:41.52 | reilithion | lol |
| 10:42.09 | reilithion | How does "try" become "ret"? |
| 10:42.16 | entropy | enouf: I'm using: libdvdcss2_1.2.9+debian-1duo+etch1_i386.deb |
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| 10:42.20 | enouf | have no clue :-( |
| 10:42.36 | enouf | entropy: oh.. |
| 10:42.39 | lilliput | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:42.47 | reilithion | entropy: Can you eliminate hardware as the problem? |
| 10:42.59 | entropy | reilithion: it worked in ubuntu |
| 10:43.20 | enouf | reilithion: actually - skew your hand to the left one key .. and you get 'ret' for 'try' |
| 10:43.35 | enouf | reilithion: huge fat fingers .. |
| 10:43.41 | reilithion | "rey" is what I get... |
| 10:43.50 | reilithion | Oh, both hands. |
| 10:43.51 | enouf | reilithion: try again |
| 10:44.05 | enouf | thanks xingu |
| 10:44.05 | reilithion | Heh, you mean ret again. |
| 10:44.05 | karsten | reilithion: Yes, please use _both_ hands on the keyboard. |
| 10:44.17 | enouf | reilithion: dat tu |
| 10:45.21 | robin_sz | reilithion, is it apt-getable? |
| 10:45.21 | reilithion | karsten: awww... what if I'm an amputee? |
| 10:45.22 | robin_sz | ok, installing ... |
| 10:45.42 | karsten | reilithion: John Bobbit? |
| 10:46.41 | enouf | karsten: haha |
| 10:46.54 | reilithion | karsten: Not /that/ kind of amputee |
| 10:47.11 | reilithion | lol |
| 10:47.19 | karsten | reilithion: ;-) |
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| 10:49.40 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 10:50.17 | karsten | Bushmills: The only 'g' day is a 'd' day. |
| 10:50.35 | robin_sz | reilithion, I installed rapidsvn, and as far as I can tell, it hasnt changed anything at all under Gnome |
| 10:50.44 | reilithion | Blast the moron whose idea it was to include "cream" as a color to paint someone's name against a white background in Gaim! |
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| 10:51.04 | karsten | reilithion: Are you trying to tell us you've creamed yourself? |
| 10:51.20 | Bushmills | karsten, do i read some unfitting war retoric in there? |
| 10:51.33 | karsten | Bushmills: I declare victory! |
| 10:51.47 | liable | Bushmills: g'day cobber |
| 10:51.53 | robin_sz | reilithion, after installing rapidsvn, I see no new options when right-clicking on a file on my desktop. |
| 10:52.09 | reilithion | robin_sz: I think you misunderstood. I didn't mean that it integrates into Nautilus or anything. I was just asking if you'd used it. |
| 10:52.37 | reilithion | Incidentally, you can drag and drop between RapidSVN and Nautilus. |
| 10:52.58 | robin_sz | reilithion, so it doesnt integrate at all? ... I thought you were offering it up as an example of how well SVN can integrate into Linux. |
| 10:53.17 | liable | 2100 and i want to sleep.. must be having a fit of oldness.. |
| 10:53.20 | reilithion | robin_sz: No. Sorry, it was more of a tangent really. |
| 10:53.25 | robin_sz | right, k |
| 10:53.31 | Kevin` | he was likely offering it up as a good svn client |
| 10:53.57 | robin_sz | try tortoise CVS or tortoise SVN on Windows, it makes all the Linux ones look carp |
| 10:54.01 | karsten | liable: 0400 and I want to sleep. |
| 10:54.05 | robin_sz | and that bugs me. |
| 10:54.08 | karsten | liable: ... must be having a fit of sanity. |
| 10:54.33 | Kevin` | robin_sz I don't even touch the file manager/desktop things in linux |
| 10:54.41 | reilithion | I pity da fools who use KDESVN. RapidSVN does the same job at an order of magnitude less overhead. |
| 10:54.43 | Kevin` | shell works fine for me |
| 10:54.52 | karsten | robin_sz: what's this "nautilus" of which you speak? |
| 10:55.05 | liable | karsten: i was wondering, are you working nights atm? |
| 10:55.08 | robin_sz | karsten, did I mention nautilus? |
| 10:55.11 | karsten | robin_sz: bash is my co-pilot^Wfile manager |
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| 10:55.22 | karsten | liable: What is this "work" of which you speak? |
| 10:55.34 | liable | karsten: you seem to be here at the wrong times, ie, when all good god fearing americans should be asleep |
| 10:55.49 | robin_sz | What is this "work" of which you speak? Is it a custom amongst your people? |
| 10:55.50 | liable | karsten: ah, so you deal crack then? |
| 10:56.08 | karsten | liable: Not if I keep my pants properly belted. |
| 10:56.15 | liable | hehe |
| 10:56.24 | liable | toche |
| 10:56.30 | liable | touche even.. |
| 10:56.31 | reilithion | lol |
| 10:56.36 | Guerin | heh |
| 10:56.44 | karsten | liable: touche your own crack, if you please ;-) |
| 10:56.50 | Guerin | in NZ a TV show had a 'show us yer crack' competition |
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| 10:57.06 | robin_sz | Kevin`, well, on Windows, Tortoise integrates SVN or CVS tightly into the GUI in a way even noobs can use , right out of the box |
| 10:57.07 | reilithion | lovely |
| 10:57.10 | karsten | Guerin: You really *must* stop exporting all your fine young acting talent. |
| 10:57.14 | Guerin | the person who sent in the best arsecrack pic got a team of builders and such around to their house to fix whatever was broken |
| 10:57.15 | karsten | Guerin: ... both of them. |
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| 10:57.26 | Kevin` | robin_sz it likely has something to do with windows having a gui |
| 10:57.33 | robin_sz | probably |
| 10:57.35 | Kevin` | where linux has many |
| 10:57.37 | Kevin` | or none |
| 10:57.38 | reilithion | robin_sz: And am I ever glad! I would never have gotten the GridRover project going if it didn't! |
| 10:57.40 | yaos | svn shell client + customized colordiff works great for me |
| 10:58.49 | karsten | Hrm. Does mc do revision control? |
| 10:59.11 | robin_sz | actually, Eclipse has good CVS support |
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| 11:00.25 | karsten | robin_sz: as does emacs, no? I recall rcs back in the day. |
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| 11:01.01 | robin_sz | karsten, emacs? the email program? |
| 11:01.30 | karsten | robin_sz: pretend I'm humoring you. |
| 11:01.44 | robin_sz | 'k ;) |
| 11:02.41 | Guerin | it's not an email program! |
| 11:02.41 | robin_sz | sorry, I should not insult emacs. its great |
| 11:02.48 | Guerin | it's a chess opponent! |
| 11:02.48 | robin_sz | its not? |
| 11:02.53 | reilithion | I'd use Emacs more, but for two things. 1. Say what you will about it, but I like more powerful GUIs rather than an extensive keyboard-shortcut library. 2. I'm just a little uncomfortable using a program that's OLDER THAN I AM! |
| 11:02.53 | robin_sz | oh. |
| 11:02.59 | karsten | robin_sz: swapsize isn't everything. |
| 11:03.23 | Guerin | reilithion: the problem with guis is that they're guis |
| 11:03.34 | Guerin | reilithion: in other words, they're not portable. |
| 11:03.37 | Yamaraj | Emacs, the psychotherapist. |
| 11:03.45 | Guerin | I can shell into my box from anywhere and be at full speed |
| 11:03.49 | Yamaraj | "Could you elaborate on that." |
| 11:03.50 | wols_ | *hrm*java*hrm* |
| 11:03.52 | karsten | reilithion: Your #2 is totally nonsensical IMO. Your #1 may be a personal style thing but I feel precisely opposite. |
| 11:03.59 | Guerin | if my skills were tied to a gui, that wouldn't be so |
| 11:04.19 | wols_ | reilithion: better stop using unix then |
| 11:04.24 | karsten | !in the beginning was the command line |
| 11:04.26 | karsten | Feh. |
| 11:04.38 | reilithion | wols_: I use the word "program" here to mean "End-user application" |
| 11:04.42 | karsten | reilithion: Google that phrase. Neil Stephenson essay. Highly recommended. |
| 11:04.43 | robin_sz | then things moved on |
| 11:04.52 | Guerin | karsten: except now he uses OSX |
| 11:05.00 | karsten | Guerin: Right, I'm aware of that. |
| 11:05.06 | Guerin | traitor! |
| 11:05.11 | Guerin | etc. |
| 11:05.12 | karsten | Guerin: I've used it, given it the good college try. Not for me. |
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| 11:05.22 | Guerin | karsten: me too. |
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| 11:05.27 | karsten | Guerin: Burn him! Burn him! He turned me into a witch! |
| 11:05.32 | karsten | erm. Newt! |
| 11:05.41 | reilithion | wtf, man? |
| 11:05.43 | Kevin` | so your a witch too? |
| 11:05.53 | Guerin | I have to wait until he finishes the next bit of the baroque cycle before I try to burn him |
| 11:05.55 | reilithion | lol |
| 11:06.03 | karsten | Guerin: I thought he finished it? |
| 11:06.04 | robin_sz | karsten, a newt? |
| 11:06.10 | karsten | Guerin: Just the three books, right? |
| 11:06.16 | karsten | robin_sz: It go' be'er. |
| 11:06.22 | Guerin | karsten: he's writing at least a fourth |
| 11:06.28 | Guerin | maybe more I forget |
| 11:06.35 | robin_sz | karsten, ;) |
| 11:06.35 | karsten | Guerin: That would be a firth. |
| 11:06.58 | karsten | robin_sz: The chaste? |
| 11:07.06 | reilithion | karsten: "In the Beginning was the Command Line"? |
| 11:07.09 | karsten | robin_sz: ... or was it the brave? |
| 11:07.14 | karsten | reilithion: Right. |
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| 11:07.25 | robin_sz | brave brave Sir Robin |
| 11:07.40 | reilithion | ...ran away |
| 11:07.48 | robin_sz | karsten, as a amtter of interest, do you weigh the same as a duck? |
| 11:07.58 | karsten | reilithion: http://artlung.com/smorgasborg/C_R_Y_P_T_O_N_O_M_I_C_O_N.shtml |
| 11:08.07 | karsten | reilithion: Best. Description. Of. Linux. Evar. |
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| 11:08.44 | karsten | reilithion: [Linux is] a bunch of RVs, yurts, tepees, and geodesic domes set up in a field and organized by consensus. The people who live there are making tanks. These are not old-fashioned, cast-iron Soviet tanks; these are more like the M1 tanks of the U.S. Army, made of space-age materials and jammed with sophisticated technology from one end to the other. But they are better than Army tanks. They've been modified in such a way that they never, |
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| 11:09.14 | karsten | robin_sz: I *do* float. |
| 11:09.22 | Guerin | robin_sz: best song EVAR |
| 11:09.27 | karsten | robin_sz: ... and quack. |
| 11:10.07 | Guerin | mmm, peking karsten |
| 11:10.52 | karsten | Guerin: On that note, good night ;-) |
| 11:11.04 | Yamaraj | Linux and Tanks? |
| 11:11.13 | hcy | hi, i have a camera attached to the computer via usb. IIRC it should come up like an external hard drive, that's how it has in the past. and indeed dmesg reports that "Attached scsi removable disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0". However, it should then show the partitions ("sda: sda1") so that I can mount it, but it doesn't do this. I believe it used to. Anyone know what I need to do to mount it? |
| 11:11.17 | Guerin | no, linux IS tanks |
| 11:11.30 | reilithion | That get 100 miles to the gallon |
| 11:11.35 | Guerin | hcy: cat /proc/partitions |
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| 11:12.25 | Yamaraj | Which tank - M1A1, M1A2, T-90 or the Leopard 2? |
| 11:12.28 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | When I log in to proftpd woth one of the users on my mashine, I can't write or delete files or directories. How can I make this possible? |
| 11:12.43 | hcy | Guerin: sda isn't there, just sdb? sdc? sdd? (which are my external firewire disks) |
| 11:12.44 | reilithion | Yamaraj: Better than all of those |
| 11:12.48 | Guerin | Yamaraj: depends on the build |
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| 11:13.03 | Guerin | hcy: plug it out and back in again; see what changes |
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| 11:13.18 | hcy | guer |
| 11:13.20 | reilithion | Guerin: Ok, let's play "Name that IDE Feature" again. |
| 11:13.21 | hcy | Guerin: ok |
| 11:13.33 | Yamaraj | I did add Israeli Merkava, as it's slated to retire from service soon. |
| 11:13.37 | Yamaraj | *didn't |
| 11:13.54 | Guerin | Yamaraj: how can you be a vegetarian and know about tanks? |
| 11:13.54 | robin_sz | they have a new one? |
| 11:14.04 | Guerin | Yamaraj: shouldn't you be off hugging a cow or something? |
| 11:14.18 | robin_sz | tanks are not made of meat, nor eaten. |
| 11:14.23 | Yamaraj | Guerin: They don't kill animals with tanks. |
| 11:14.30 | Guerin | robin_sz: don't need 'em. Got cluster bombs instead. Leave no child behi^Walive |
| 11:14.36 | reilithion | Guerin: Any IDEs out there that can document my code in block comments in a style that Doxygen can read? |
| 11:14.41 | Guerin | Yamaraj: depends who you mean by 'they' |
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| 11:14.52 | Guerin | reilithion: i have no idea what doxygen is |
| 11:15.00 | Charminthemoose | anyone know what package mkswap is in? |
| 11:15.04 | Yamaraj | They == Crazy Warlords. |
| 11:15.08 | reilithion | Like Javadoc, only for any programming language (just about) |
| 11:15.17 | robin_sz | Guerin, sounds great! .. got any mpegs? |
| 11:15.23 | Guerin | crazy warlords in afghanistan use tanks to destroy peoples' herds |
| 11:15.44 | Guerin | robin_sz: youtube does |
| 11:15.49 | robin_sz | kewl |
| 11:15.54 | dondelelcaro | liable: ? |
| 11:16.03 | robin_sz | as good as the "apache" mpeg? |
| 11:16.07 | robin_sz | that is awesome |
| 11:16.08 | dondelelcaro | liable: there are about 3 bots with the factoid database in this channel |
| 11:16.20 | reilithion | !apt-file |
| 11:16.20 | h3sp4wn | Charminthemoose: util-linux |
| 11:16.20 | dpkg | [apt-file] util used to find which package owns a given file, or list files in a package, see also auto-apt and pdo, or use apt-file: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update ; then "apt-file search filename" will give you a list of packages containing filename |
| 11:16.41 | Yamaraj | Military hardware interests me. Not unusual for a nerd, is it? It's still hardware, alright! |
| 11:16.55 | hcy | Guerin: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3900 |
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| 11:17.07 | hcy | Guerin: (nothing changes) |
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| 11:17.56 | reilithion | robin_sz: That's right. Silence is definitely on topic. |
| 11:18.09 | Guerin | hcy: sure it has a partition table on? |
| 11:18.23 | Guerin | hcy: try reading it in ?fdisk |
| 11:18.36 | reilithion | Guerin: Ever use/read about JavaDoc? |
| 11:18.39 | hcy | Guerin: fdisk /dev/sda? |
| 11:18.53 | Guerin | hcy: cfdisk will show a partition table graphically |
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| 11:19.08 | Guerin | reilithion: i'm blissfully ignorant about java |
| 11:19.10 | dondelelcaro | liable: and as far as editing the factoids or deleting them, I rarely do mass deletions; the only times I do them are when there's a single person who has gone through and added useless factoids. |
| 11:19.15 | reilithion | lol |
| 11:19.31 | dondelelcaro | liable: as far as changing factoids to make them less offensive and more useful, I and others do that all the time. |
| 11:20.17 | Yamaraj | Do you know that each F-22 costs $350m? With this kind of taxpayer's money invested in killing machines, Homo Destroyer sounds a reasonable name for war maniacs. |
| 11:20.42 | hcy | Guerin: cfdisk says: "FATAL ERROR: Cannot open disk drive" |
| 11:20.51 | dondelelcaro | uh... #politics is that way ---> |
| 11:21.35 | Guerin | hcy: the disk is either fucked, or not working in this machine for some reason. I'd want to test it i another machine,. |
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| 11:21.54 | hcy | Guerin: i can try reading it in windows... |
| 11:22.05 | Yamaraj | Politics is <-- ^v --> everywhere. |
| 11:22.07 | reilithion | My grandpa had a FATAL ERROR last week. |
| 11:22.08 | hcy | Guerin: i'm certain it's a fat32 |
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| 11:22.38 | hcy | Guerin: ok i'll reboot into windows and see what happens there |
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| 11:23.14 | reilithion | His foot segfaulted the floor and coredumped his whole body. |
| 11:23.38 | reilithion | /dev/hip was still mounted when he went down |
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| 11:26.24 | reilithion | They took him to tech support and fixed /dev/hip, but the kernel was corrupt and just stopped iterating after a while. |
| 11:29.17 | reilithion | ... okay I'm assuming everyone's either laughing their asses off and sending me to bash.org or observing an impromptu, unorganized, unannounced, synchronized moment of silence for my grandpa who I didn't really like anyway... |
| 11:30.10 | cahoot_ | reilithion: you really shouldn't push it |
| 11:30.35 | reilithion | But that's what I do. ^_^ |
| 11:31.49 | reilithion | Besides, I may not have liked the guy, but I need to get the stress of his death off my chest somehow. |
| 11:31.57 | cahoot_ | reilithion: it's OT and tasteless |
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| 11:33.13 | reilithion | I could argue both points, but I think I'd rather go read this essay. |
| 11:34.16 | Hoxzer_ | This is a free falll |
| 11:34.45 | reilithion | Or a free-for-all? |
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| 11:40.06 | jmd | Anyone know when etch is likely to be working again? |
| 11:40.29 | reilithion | Um, right now? I'm using it. |
| 11:40.52 | reilithion | Granted I'm using the 2.15 kernel, but I find that beside the point |
| 11:41.06 | jmd | No. I mean when the repository is going to be self consistent. |
| 11:41.16 | reilithion | Got me there |
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| 11:41.39 | wols_ | jmd: december |
| 11:42.04 | jmd | wols_, Wow. Why so long? |
| 11:42.25 | SpComb | that's fast! |
| 11:42.37 | alternativenickn | lol |
| 11:42.38 | wols_ | cause then etch is stable |
| 11:43.43 | jmd | wols_, Really? You mean December 2006 ? |
| 11:43.59 | wols_ | no. 2999 |
| 11:44.04 | wols_ | of course I mean december 2006 |
| 11:44.43 | SpComb | compared to microsoft, I think debian is doing well here :P |
| 11:44.44 | reilithion | Hey, is anyone else looking forward to the year 2048? ^_^ |
| 11:44.54 | jmd | Far out! If that's the target date, then perhaps we'll see it by august 2007 if previous experience is anything to go by. |
| 11:45.02 | alternativenickn | i'm looking forward to 2069 :) |
| 11:46.02 | Yamaraj | alternativenickn: The year man lands on the Moon for real? |
| 11:46.06 | wols_ | jmd: base system is already frozen. freeze for the rest will be 18th of this month |
| 11:46.37 | alternativenickn | Yamaraj, were you around back then? |
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| 11:46.52 | Yamaraj | I don't remember. |
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| 11:48.13 | alternativenickn | i'm thinking in the 2060's, tobacco will be illegal, so thats what we'll be doing and writing songs about :P |
| 11:48.17 | jmd | wols_, Of course. It's only going to be half a release this time, isn't it. |
| 11:49.03 | reilithion | alternativenickn: You think it'll take that long? |
| 11:49.08 | reilithion | :P |
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| 11:49.35 | Yamaraj | alternativenickn: Maybe, in 2060's, acid, coke and weed wiil be legal again? |
| 11:49.42 | alternativenickn | i'm in australia, the government tax for cigarettes, is 76c in the dollar... the average pack of smokes is retail $12 |
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| 11:50.13 | wols_ | jmd: half a release? |
| 11:50.53 | jmd | They're only releasing i386 and a couple of other architectures this time, as I understand it/ |
| 11:51.00 | dur | just came from Bermuda and gasoline is selling for $6.50 --- God Bless the U.S.A |
| 11:51.21 | reilithion | Right off a cliff |
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| 11:51.30 | alternativenickn | dur, whats that, per gallon??? how many litres in a gallon? |
| 11:51.35 | Yamaraj | Yeah! God bless USA when middle-east goes dry. |
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| 11:51.52 | SpComb | thankfully I don't have to buy gas |
| 11:51.54 | jmd | dur, $6.50 per what ? litre, imperial gallon, US gallon, barrel , thimble .... ? |
| 11:52.01 | Yamaraj | pint ... |
| 11:52.30 | jmd | Yamaraj, Is that a US pint or a proper one? |
| 11:52.46 | alternativenickn | petrol here is about $1.90USD per litre.... and believe me, we're all complaining... |
| 11:53.17 | alternativenickn | oh wait, converted backwards |
| 11:53.21 | Yamaraj | jmd: A proper pint added to your proper list. |
| 11:53.28 | jmd | alternativenickn, Are you in the NT or somewhere? |
| 11:53.33 | alternativenickn | $0.79USD |
| 11:53.38 | alternativenickn | i'm in queensland |
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| 11:53.44 | robin_sz | coo. |
| 11:53.44 | Yamaraj | lol |
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| 11:53.55 | jmd | alternativenickn, Yeah .79 sounds more like it. |
| 11:53.58 | alternativenickn | jmd w000t another aussie |
| 11:53.59 | robin_sz | its around 1GBP/litre in the UK |
| 11:54.07 | robin_sz | thats waht? 1.7 USD? |
| 11:54.27 | alternativenickn | robin_sz not too far off... still insanely high |
| 11:54.40 | Yamaraj | 1.87 USD |
| 11:54.52 | alternativenickn | i bought a pushbike when petrol prices raised... already made my money back i reckon :P |
| 11:55.02 | robin_sz | one word: globalisation. your price will go up is more likely than our price going down .. but they will all even out eventually |
| 11:55.02 | SpComb | gas is 1.264e here, 1.60USD per liter |
| 11:55.49 | jmd | I heard that some guys in the UK started making biodiesel, and the Customs and Excise nicked them. Apparently it's illegal to do it over there now. |
| 11:56.37 | robin_sz | always has been ... |
| 11:56.44 | robin_sz | well, no its perfectly legal ... |
| 11:56.46 | Yamaraj | Wow! Governments are getting desperate now. |
| 11:56.55 | Yamaraj | What a bunch of assweeds. |
| 11:56.59 | robin_sz | but you MUST pay road duty tax on it before using it ina road vehicle |
| 11:57.10 | alternativenickn | i own a 98 ford laser, and an 84 land cruiser.... strange when the cruiser is cheaper to run than the hatch... |
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| 11:58.59 | Yamaraj | "It's the Governments that should be afraid of the people, not the other way around." |
| 11:59.19 | alternativenickn | wasnt there a movie released recently with the same phrase?? |
| 11:59.20 | robin_sz | and? |
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| 11:59.31 | robin_sz | we need higher fule prices, not lower! |
| 11:59.38 | Yamaraj | Yeah! Z for Zorro. |
| 11:59.41 | alternativenickn | ctrl-v for vendetta maybe? |
| 12:00.10 | reilithion | Ctrl-Z for... oops |
| 12:00.14 | robin_sz | far too many cars per capita inthe UK, need higher fuel prices to control traffic |
| 12:00.31 | alternativenickn | brisbane city isnt actually too bad |
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| 12:01.00 | robin_sz | everywhere in the UK is bad. |
| 12:01.03 | robin_sz | everywhere |
| 12:01.19 | Yamaraj | Licenses of car companies should be revoked and people should be sentenced for an year of public service for buying a car. |
| 12:01.29 | reilithion | I agree, robin_sz. Let's burn it all down. |
| 12:01.51 | alternativenickn | i love my cars, but if i can walk somewhere, i will |
| 12:02.04 | reilithion | Yamaraj: Do you live in a yurt? |
| 12:02.19 | alternativenickn | its not as if we can just catch "the underground" to perth or something... |
| 12:02.21 | robin_sz | in the US, people drive to their mailbox, ite nearly that bad here |
| 12:02.49 | Kurt2 | Yamaraj: you are a worthless Trotskyite |
| 12:02.53 | Kurt2 | now get out |
| 12:03.11 | Yamaraj | Kurt2: I didn't ask for your opinion. Shut it up! |
| 12:03.16 | reilithion | I'll give IRC one thing. It certainly expands one's vocabulary. |
| 12:03.34 | alternativenickn | lol, IRC and CS |
| 12:03.55 | Kurt2 | Yamaraj: it's not an opinion |
| 12:03.58 | Kurt2 | it's an objective fact |
| 12:04.03 | Kurt2 | provable from the first principles of the Universe |
| 12:04.11 | reilithion | alternativenickn: that too |
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| 12:04.36 | reilithion | Kurt2: ok, prove it |
| 12:04.42 | Kurt2 | A is A |
| 12:05.11 | Yamaraj | Kurt2: Idiot! |
| 12:05.17 | alternativenickn | and... |
| 12:05.46 | alternativenickn | sorry, but i dont get how that relat... never mind |
| 12:05.49 | reilithion | Kurt2: Ah, but sometimes A is not A! +assumes lotus position+ |
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| 12:09.42 | gothicWeirdo | Debian sarge installation can't detect my DVD-Rom? What happend? |
| 12:10.10 | Kurt2 | gothicWeirdo: you're not using Slackware |
| 12:10.12 | Kurt2 | that's what happened |
| 12:10.13 | reilithion | There was no such thing as DVD when Sarge was frozen? ^_^ |
| 12:10.15 | reilithion | lol |
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| 12:10.22 | Yamaraj | A capitalist society turns humans into pure consumers. Once you lose your capability to buy and consume, you're doomed, deemed as worthless and dumped in old age homes. Then you despair in agony and die alone. |
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| 12:12.25 | jmd | robin_sz, Why should you pay duty? Don't you have to buy a "road fund licence" anymore? |
| 12:13.09 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How should the #! line look in a perl script? |
| 12:13.36 | Yamaraj | You can call it sh-bang or shebang. |
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| 12:13.50 | jmd | #!<pathname of your perl binary> |
| 12:14.07 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Yeah. I don't know where it is. :p |
| 12:14.13 | jmd | which perl |
| 12:14.19 | Yamaraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:14.32 | reilithion | I hope it's not /sbin/perl |
| 12:14.43 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Thats what I used. But it sais its wrong (/user/bin/perl) |
| 12:14.58 | reilithion | O.o |
| 12:15.14 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I'll check my script again |
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| 12:15.33 | jmd | Inf3rn0_Laptop, What does "which perl" tell you? |
| 12:15.37 | Yamaraj | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:15.37 | robin_sz | jmd, theres two parts to it. a fixed license fee and a variable amount collected as a tax per litre of fuel. I guess you could reduce the license fee to zero, and increase the road fund duty ... |
| 12:15.53 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I know. I just typed wrong in IRC |
| 12:16.13 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | jmd: Not much |
| 12:16.27 | jmd | robin_sz, They should do one or the other. Having both is "double dipping" as they say here. |
| 12:16.48 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Do I have to print any http headers? |
| 12:16.51 | reilithion | Meh, don't use Perl anyway. Start using Python or Ruby. ^_^ |
| 12:16.53 | robin_sz | jmd, no its not ... its just like your phone bill. momthly rental plus a cost per call |
| 12:16.55 | jmd | Inf3rn0_Laptop, perhaps you dont have perl installed. |
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| 12:17.00 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Yes I do |
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| 12:17.34 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, yes, if responding as a cgi, you have to print headers |
| 12:17.51 | jmd | robin_sz, That's different. It costs the phone company to maintain my line, whether I use it or not, and that line is dedicated to me. |
| 12:18.03 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I print document-type.. |
| 12:18.20 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | And its executing just fine from the prompt |
| 12:18.26 | jmd | Inf3rn0_Laptop, How can you be so sure, if you don't know where it is? |
| 12:18.27 | robin_sz | jmd, whatever, its in two parts .. fixed and variable ... lobby for change of you dont like it .. it needs to go up either way/. |
| 12:18.46 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Cus I typed "perl test.pl" |
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| 12:18.54 | Kurt2 | there is no "document-type" header |
| 12:18.59 | jmd | robin_sz, Not living in the UK anymore, I really can't be bothered. |
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| 12:19.01 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, try typing ./test.pl |
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| 12:19.02 | Kurt2 | what you want is "Content-type: <whatever>\n\n" |
| 12:19.03 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Ahhh |
| 12:19.05 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Yes |
| 12:19.06 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I know :p |
| 12:19.16 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | lol. I've done that before. Silly error |
| 12:19.24 | jmd | Inf3rn0_Laptop, so what do you get if you type "which perl" ? |
| 12:19.38 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, and most people use the CGI module, that generates the right headers for you anyway |
| 12:19.49 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Hehe |
| 12:19.55 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | jmd: I get it |
| 12:20.05 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, is this a CGI? |
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| 12:21.02 | Kurt2 | yeah, for production systems I'd definitely recommend using the CGI module |
| 12:21.13 | Kurt2 | on the other hand, if you're doing it for your own edification, it's probably better to send your own headers |
| 12:21.21 | Kurt2 | that way you have a better understanding of just what you're doing |
| 12:21.28 | Kurt2 | and a better understanding of what the CGI module does for you |
| 12:21.39 | robin_sz | if its going to go on the 'net .. he needs to use the -T flag anyway |
| 12:21.58 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I know how that stuff works. I've just never done it in Linux before |
| 12:22.13 | robin_sz | eh? |
| 12:22.18 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | The headers |
| 12:22.32 | robin_sz | perl is perl ... same on linux, Windows, OSX, ... |
| 12:22.35 | Charminthemoose | does anyone know how to add a custom boot script? |
| 12:22.45 | Charminthemoose | to the boot process? |
| 12:23.05 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, you should have #!/usr/bin/perl -T |
| 12:23.08 | wols_ | !tell Charminthemoose about sysvinit |
| 12:23.09 | robin_sz | use warnings; |
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| 12:23.13 | robin_sz | use strict; |
| 12:23.34 | brownie17 | how can i tell what file system one of my Hd's is? |
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| 12:23.45 | wols_ | brownie17: mount |
| 12:23.52 | TomasGalli | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:24.02 | perlmonkey | hi guys |
| 12:24.13 | wols_ | themolester: pdo |
| 12:24.19 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, make sure your perl script starts like that ^^ even if NOT using the CGI module |
| 12:24.23 | wols_ | thomas: pdo |
| 12:24.24 | perlmonkey | how I do make shorewall start automatically on system boot up? |
| 12:24.38 | wols_ | !tell perlmonkey about sysvinit |
| 12:24.39 | asg | perlmonkey: /etc/init.d/README |
| 12:24.58 | perlmonkey | thanks guys |
| 12:25.38 | brownie17 | wols_, what is vfat? that's probably fat32 right? |
| 12:26.01 | wols_ | it's all FAT type fs in linux |
| 12:26.16 | wols_ | so it is not fat32 necessarily |
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| 12:26.53 | brownie17 | wols_, i don't rembmer, but i head somewhere linxu can't write to eaither fat32 or ntfs, which one was it? |
| 12:27.10 | wols_ | !tell brownie17 about ntfs |
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| 12:27.35 | perlmonkey | hi me again |
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| 12:27.41 | TomasGalli | where is the man page of ettercap? |
| 12:27.56 | asg | TomasGalli: dpkg -L ettercap |
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| 12:28.05 | TomasGalli | thks asg |
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| 12:28.16 | perlmonkey | I've read the Debian Policy Manual (9.3 System run levels and init) and its pretty complicated stuff |
| 12:28.26 | perlmonkey | is there a simple way to get a program to start on bootup? |
| 12:28.29 | TomasGalli | here it si thanks!!!!! |
| 12:28.35 | asg | perlmonkey: /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 12:28.41 | perlmonkey | thanks |
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| 12:29.28 | brownie17 | wols_, so ntfs is definately writable/readable to by debian? |
| 12:29.37 | wols_ | no |
| 12:30.47 | wols_ | well it is, if you have good backups and don't care about your data |
| 12:30.47 | perlmonkey | one would think a firewall like shorewall would start automatically when booting? |
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| 12:31.05 | wols_ | to make a meaningful firewall one needs knowledge |
| 12:31.16 | perlmonkey | I have a meaningful firewall |
| 12:31.23 | perlmonkey | but it doesnt start up when I boot up |
| 12:31.31 | wols_ | if one knows the pretty arcane tcp/ip stuff, simply startin the firewall is an insignificant step |
| 12:31.37 | wols_ | and I doubt it actually |
| 12:32.01 | perlmonkey | well its not insignificant setup when your server is in a remote location and you lose power |
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| 12:32.56 | wols_ | the effort and knowledge to set it up selfstarting is insignificant |
| 12:33.13 | perlmonkey | so why are the complicated docs and numerous urls |
| 12:33.35 | jelly-home | wols_: I don't think he's asking whether it's significant or not, but how to do it. |
| 12:34.18 | perlmonkey | i have shorewall executable script in my init.d directory so in theory it should be starting eh |
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| 12:34.55 | jelly-home | perlmonkey: did you add a S??* symlink in /etc/rc2.d (using update-rc.d or symlinking by hand)? |
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| 12:35.12 | perlmonkey | WAIT_FOR_IFUP=/usr/share/shorewall/wait4ifup <-- this could be problem? |
| 12:35.35 | Juerd | I'm trying to understand the recent Firefox thing. I just read the Guidelines, and can't find anything about trademarks being a problem. In fact, the only match for "trademark" on that page is the line at the bottom, saying that Debian is trademarked... |
| 12:35.43 | Juerd | Why is the Firefox logo a problem to include? |
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| 12:37.54 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | I hadn't chmod'ed the file :p |
| 12:38.07 | robin_sz | Juerd, its not important to users, it somehting to do with the trademark on the firefox logo, therefore a useful package that is the best web browser has to be removed from the main distribution otherwise your PC will blow up and you children will be borm with three heads or somehting |
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| 12:38.45 | SpComb | Juerd: if you apply custom patches to the FF source, you are not allosed to call it Firefox unless you run them by mozzila's QA department |
| 12:38.58 | robin_sz | seems fair |
| 12:38.59 | Juerd | I'm not interested as a user, but as someone who likes to understand the real problem. I read everywhere that the trademark would be a problem, but Debian includes a lot of trademarked things, and Debian is trademarked itself too. |
| 12:39.08 | SpComb | and you can't use the FF logo if you don't call it firefox |
| 12:39.20 | SpComb | or some way around |
| 12:39.25 | Juerd | SpComb: That's the name issue, but the logo is mentioned as a different issue. |
| 12:39.37 | SpComb | well, the name and logo are linked together |
| 12:39.40 | robin_sz | so .. if you just want to use it as a package its fine, right? |
| 12:39.41 | jelly-home | SpComb: it is called firefox. |
| 12:39.43 | Juerd | Debian has used the name Firefox -- within that theory, why couldn't they have used the logo? |
| 12:39.51 | SpComb | you can't have one without the other, as far as I've understood it |
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| 12:40.06 | robin_sz | if you want to dick around with it for your own use, thats fine too |
| 12:40.31 | Juerd | SpComb: If the name and the logo are linked together in this way, then is my understanding correct that Debian has broken its own Guidelines until the name change? |
| 12:40.41 | jelly-home | SpComb: well, the packags is called firefox, the executable too, just the logo is missing. hmm. |
| 12:41.01 | Juerd | Indeed, I do think that if you use the name Firefox (and Debian does that currently), you can also use the logo. |
| 12:41.01 | robin_sz | who cares? .. thats politics, not code. |
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| 12:41.13 | Juerd | Also, if the name changes, so will the logo. That makes sense. |
| 12:41.26 | Guerin | robin_sz: the politics makes the code |
| 12:41.37 | Juerd | The asymmetry between logo and name in Debian is weird, though. I can't find any reference to why it's done like this. |
| 12:42.00 | Guerin | Juerd: it's the subject of a long and very boring argument |
| 12:42.05 | robin_sz | Guerin, not caring. I just want my firefox to work and be apt-getable .. change the politics until that happens |
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| 12:42.20 | Juerd | Debian's guidelines don't reject trademarks - but on all the news sites, the trademark is mentioned as the main problem. |
| 12:42.26 | Guerin | robin_sz: i just bypass the whole shop by using the mozilla.org static builds |
| 12:42.43 | Juerd | Guerin: That I've noticed :) |
| 12:42.43 | robin_sz | also a good plan |
| 12:42.57 | Guerin | in principle I do so because it means extensions aren't broken |
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| 12:43.05 | robin_sz | right |
| 12:43.06 | Guerin | but in fact I actually don't use extensions, either |
| 12:43.23 | Juerd | Oh well. Let's just rename it to Freeerfox :): |
| 12:43.30 | Guerin | Juerd: iceweasel |
| 12:43.31 | SpComb | mozzila want's to protect the firefox brand, and thence the firefox logo, name and the stuff you put in the source code is linked together |
| 12:43.39 | Juerd | Guerin: Nice one :) |
| 12:43.41 | jelly-home | Based-on-firefox :-> |
| 12:43.43 | xingu | just go back to using phoenix |
| 12:43.47 | Guerin | Juerd: not my idea. |
| 12:43.51 | Guerin | xingu: can't. |
| 12:43.52 | Juerd | Guerin: Regardless, nice one. :) |
| 12:43.57 | SpComb | something can only be called firefox if mozilla's QA department have seen all the code |
| 12:44.00 | SpComb | something along those lines |
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| 12:44.17 | robin_sz | easy then ... just show the moz QA all the code. done. |
| 12:44.24 | Guerin | SpComb: standard 'brand dilution' argument |
| 12:44.28 | phogg | robin_sz: impractical |
| 12:44.37 | Guerin | robin_sz: mozilla QA won't look at it, though |
| 12:44.38 | Juerd | Thanks for your input |
| 12:44.49 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | How can I make the php digest support my setup with postgre sql in phpbb? |
| 12:44.51 | robin_sz | sure? |
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| 12:44.56 | Guerin | Inf3rn0_Laptop: #php |
| 12:45.01 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ok |
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| 12:45.08 | Guerin | robin_sz: mozilla is a SHITLOAD of code |
| 12:45.19 | streuner_ | hehe |
| 12:45.23 | robin_sz | does Debian change the code ? |
| 12:45.24 | SpComb | robin_sz: terribly inconvenient. The QA dept. would have to approve the code before it could be applied. So it could take days to fix bugs in firefox |
| 12:45.26 | phogg | robin_sz: you can't hold a new package revision until all of your patches are approved by a third party. That way lies madness (and considerable delay) |
| 12:45.27 | streuner_ | and a shitload to compile :-) |
| 12:45.28 | Guerin | robin_sz: now diff the debian and stock source trees ... then multiply that by n distributions |
| 12:45.34 | SpComb | or something like that |
| 12:45.46 | GreatLord | Hi I am back I manger get hold on my onkel he fixed the darn mysql problem the config and some other thing whent wrong |
| 12:45.56 | GreatLord | one more question |
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| 12:46.06 | streuner_ | Guerin: did you ever compile mozilla? |
| 12:46.12 | GreatLord | I manger installl a imap server curirer |
| 12:46.25 | GreatLord | how do I setup a domain and user |
| 12:46.27 | GreatLord | easy |
| 12:46.53 | robin_sz | could we not just create some debian pseudo package to load a static binary from mozilla.org instead? |
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| 12:47.05 | phogg | robin_sz: bad idea |
| 12:47.05 | Guerin | streuner_: no. |
| 12:47.18 | robin_sz | phogg, why? |
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| 12:47.51 | iLLucionist | hi |
| 12:48.29 | wols_ | GreatLord: have you configured your smtp server? |
| 12:48.44 | wols_ | GreatLord: as for the user: main maildirmake |
| 12:49.00 | phogg | robin_sz: no integration, relying on a third party bug fix cycle, relying on third party servers having exactly what you expect and not being compromised. Not to mention the probability that stock firefox puts files in the wrong place. |
| 12:49.52 | GreatLord | wols_ : I do not think so |
| 12:50.05 | wols_ | GreatLord: then go and read some howtos |
| 12:50.06 | streuner_ | Guerin: people saying, you need 8-12 hours to compile... |
| 12:50.10 | wols_ | you'll need them |
| 12:50.43 | dvs | What's will all this Firefox chat? Did I miss something (as usual)? |
| 12:50.59 | wols_ | GreatLord: stop that! |
| 12:51.00 | jelly-home | phogg: that's exactly what's done with eg. flashplugin-nonfree. |
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| 12:51.29 | wols_ | dvs: http://www.internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3634591 |
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| 12:51.36 | robin_sz | the obvious thing would be for Moz to allocate someone to the debian firefox package maintainer team |
| 12:51.48 | wols_ | GreatLord: I said STOP that! |
| 12:51.59 | GreatLord | syop what |
| 12:52.03 | GreatLord | stop what |
| 12:52.06 | wols_ | the msging |
| 12:52.39 | robin_sz | or just to get static binaries ... they probably work fine. |
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| 12:53.29 | wols_ | this guy's a developer? |
| 12:53.56 | robin_sz | whats more worrying is that hell soon have port25 open to the world ... |
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| 12:54.31 | wols_ | robin_sz: I have my doubt that he gets that far |
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| 12:55.22 | streuner_ | wols_: /msg dpkg reactos ;-) |
| 12:55.37 | streuner_ | dpkg, reactos |
| 12:55.37 | dpkg | i guess reactos is an open-source operating system for the x86 family of pcs and wants to create a windows nt (tm) compatible system. see http://www.reactos.com |
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| 12:55.51 | wols_ | I know wha it is. and I didn't have high a meaning about them before |
| 12:55.53 | dvs | streuner_: that explains everything. ;-) |
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| 12:55.57 | wols_ | it just dropped a few other notches |
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| 12:56.10 | streuner_ | wols_: see what dvs told me ;-) |
| 12:56.37 | dvs | streuner_: they are not sane |
| 12:56.41 | wols_ | well, WINE has pretty much the sajme goal (more or less), the different is WINE people know their shit and reactos are a bunch of ... |
| 12:56.44 | mitsuiko | ehi...hello^^ |
| 12:56.50 | wols_ | dvs: that'S beside the point |
| 12:57.45 | Otrebor_81 | mitsuiko qui |
| 12:57.47 | Otrebor_81 | #SunShine |
| 12:58.09 | jelly-home | The article says that RH and Novell already go through Mozilla to approve their patches. So Mozilla has some sort of infrastrustructure for that. So it might be feasible to do the same for another distribution. |
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| 12:58.24 | mitsuiko | kiedono di te otrebor su sunshine |
| 12:58.33 | wols_ | jelly-home: sure it is. the trouble is, it's not DFSG compliant |
| 12:58.38 | wols_ | !it |
| 12:58.38 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
| 12:58.42 | will__ | I am trying to setup RSA Authentication with ssh but it doesn't seem to be working... it seems like it is completely ignoring rsa authentication and just continuing with password authentication... i have looked through the logs and I dont see any errors |
| 12:59.17 | cahoot_ | will__: is UsePAM enabled? |
| 12:59.25 | will__ | i have tried both |
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| 12:59.42 | will__ | if UsePam is enabled... it continues to password authentication.. if it is disabled the client just quits |
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| 13:00.27 | cahoot_ | will__: corrupt key? how did you transfer it? |
| 13:00.49 | will__ | i pasted it into the text file over samba |
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| 13:01.41 | GoAuLd | i need rw acces to ntfs im finding ntfs-3g or.deb or something someone knows where if there is a precompiled packet? |
| 13:01.47 | Otrebor_81 | mitsuiko!!! |
| 13:01.49 | cahoot_ | will__: maybe you got newlines into the key? |
| 13:01.51 | Otrebor_81 | mi aiuti o no |
| 13:01.58 | mitsuiko | DO you Want TO know All Of thing about JAPAN MUSIC AWORDS ON MTV??#Sunshine...the newest channel about Japan...today olso in english! |
| 13:02.02 | cahoot_ | will__: i e linebreaks |
| 13:02.11 | asg | mitsuiko: no. Advertise elsewhere please. |
| 13:02.20 | Otrebor_81 | came on on #SunShine The Japan canal |
| 13:02.25 | will__ | i dont see any |
| 13:02.38 | Otrebor_81 | #SunShine |
| 13:02.41 | jelly-home | !ntfs-3g |
| 13:02.41 | dpkg | well, ntfs-3g is a new, beta quality fuse-based driver for NTFS with decent write support, see http://zakame.spunge.org/blog/2006/08/11/ntfs-3g-love/ |
| 13:02.45 | Otrebor_81 | yuppie #SunShine |
| 13:03.06 | Otrebor_81 | came on on #SunShine The Japan channel |
| 13:03.10 | streuner_ | asg: sounds like a bot... |
| 13:03.35 | asg | streuner_: hard to tell these days with all the morons |
| 13:03.45 | streuner_ | asg: haha |
| 13:03.48 | Otrebor_81 | link #SunShine |
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| 13:04.05 | asg | !ops Otrebor_81 bot advertising. mitsuiko needs a boot also. |
| 13:04.05 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: asg complains about: Otrebor_81 bot advertising. mitsuiko needs a boot also. |
| 13:04.07 | wols_ | Otrebor_81 and mitsuiko pease stop |
| 13:04.27 | GoAuLd | jelly-home, i already visited that page and got nothing clear from it, neither a deb package only ubuntu packages |
| 13:04.46 | will__ | it doesn't even give me any error.. or any notice that it is even use rsa authentication in the logs.. and the client receives no notification as well |
| 13:04.55 | Otrebor_81 | #SunShine #SunShine |
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| 13:05.19 | jelly-home | GoAuLd: Hmm, I see. There are packages for sid but I wouldn't use them, they're from a snapshot 2 months old. |
| 13:05.23 | mitsuiko | only one thing...Today on MTV ITA at 19.05 there is all of japanese music video!| |
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| 13:05.36 | mitsuiko | byebye! |
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| 13:05.46 | GoAuLd | ok, ill format to fat32 then |
| 13:05.52 | Otrebor_81 | #SunShine |
| 13:05.59 | GoAuLd | to hell with that |
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| 13:06.56 | mitsuiko | #japan |
| 13:07.49 | will__ | well i cant really tell if there are newlines |
| 13:07.57 | Samra- | i know im on wrong help channe but could someone just check if --> http://www.imageupload.com/reg/viewer.php?id=6176asaaa.JPG <--- on that pic, is that yellow thing a RTC battery??? |
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| 13:08.02 | will__ | everything seems to do wrapping... |
| 13:08.15 | will__ | notepad shows only a single line though |
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| 13:08.47 | will__ | oh i see, yes it is only one line |
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| 13:12.22 | streuner_ | apt, test |
| 13:12.30 | apt | Oh, no! There's a test and I haven't studied! |
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| 13:13.25 | will__ | i see |
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| 13:15.45 | asg | thanks |
| 13:16.02 | telexicon | I tried remaking a key with ssh-keygen.. and replaceing the authorized_keys file with that.. but it still doesn't mention rsa authentication at all.. im not quite sure why it isnt working, any ideas? |
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| 13:17.06 | streuner_ | stew: Otrebor_81 (n=Otrebor_@host90-71.pool80183.interbusiness.it |
| 13:17.06 | streuner_ | stew: that's the other bot (dude) who spamming us as well |
| 13:17.06 | |du| | i'm getting crazy with bluetooth..in installed it..try to pair with my phone and my phnone seen my pc, then try to re-pair and my phone didn't see the pc!! |
| 13:18.59 | enouf | Samra-: CMOS have/use batteries, the RTC is usually in the SB, and the actual quartz crystal requires no battery - however, that image is not a typical looking cmos battery - care to elaborate where that's from? |
| 13:19.34 | Samra- | enouf this is laptop, i did take foto on it |
| 13:19.46 | enouf | Samra-: which make/model |
| 13:19.55 | Samra- | hp compaq |
| 13:20.13 | enouf | hp/compaq what |
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| 13:21.01 | simon23 | hi - i just had bad trouble with my kget... can anyone tell me a stable downloadmanager? (no need for a gui) |
| 13:21.11 | streuner_ | curl |
| 13:21.11 | Samra- | hawlet packard also enouf |
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| 13:21.16 | streuner_ | wget? |
| 13:21.35 | simon23 | mmmh... maybe... |
| 13:21.35 | dvs | Samra-: model number? |
| 13:21.40 | enouf | Samra-: I mean MODEL # .. but hold a sec |
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| 13:22.04 | simon23 | streuner: i can run multiple instances of wget - right ? |
| 13:22.05 | wols_ | enouf: what good witll the model do you? |
| 13:22.13 | Guerin | simon23: of course! |
| 13:22.22 | wols_ | yes it's a battery and yes it's for COME (what else when it's from a PC) |
| 13:22.25 | streuner | simon23: how many do you need? :-) |
| 13:22.27 | wols_ | *CMOS |
| 13:22.35 | sven_ | hm what is the command for the network configuration wizard. I dont want to do it manually. Anyone? |
| 13:22.36 | Samra- | nx6300 |
| 13:22.45 | simon23 | streuner: just had kget crashing with 20 downloads... |
| 13:22.48 | Guerin | sven_: etherconf |
| 13:22.57 | streuner | sven_: /msg dpkg interfaces |
| 13:23.01 | Guerin | sven_: you don't need 20 concurrent downloads |
| 13:23.06 | Guerin | better to do them in series |
| 13:23.16 | simon23 | streuner: now there is no log to restore my downloads,... most of them were nearly ready! |
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| 13:23.56 | simon23 | streuner: can i adjust wget to start automatically when konqueror or any other browser will start a download? |
| 13:23.58 | valdyn | simon23: who deleted those partial downloads? |
| 13:24.36 | simon23 | streuner: the partial downloads were not deletet, but kget crashed and now the urls are gone and i cant find the urls in any log... |
| 13:24.54 | simon23 | streuner: or is the url saved in the partial download file ? |
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| 13:25.24 | sly007 | Hello, I need to print the content of every line in a file, with spaces stripped on each line, beginning with a " and ending with a ". Can sed do this? |
| 13:25.45 | jelly-home | sly007: yes it can. |
| 13:25.46 | Guerin | sly007: sed can do anything |
| 13:25.59 | sly007 | Prove it. |
| 13:26.04 | Guerin | sly007: man sed |
| 13:26.08 | Guerin | QED mothafucka |
| 13:26.14 | jelly-home | sly007: I did, it worked. ;-) |
| 13:26.25 | wols_ | sly007: guerin can't do anything so Guerin is inferior to sed and thus can't prove that sed can do anything |
| 13:26.45 | enouf | wols_: I don't have lapcrap experience .. ok? the more info the merrier IMO .. Samra- : it seems wols_ knows |
| 13:26.47 | Guerin | wols_: recursive inability to do things, that's me |
| 13:26.55 | Guerin | i can't even not do things |
| 13:26.57 | jelly-home | sly007: oh, did you mean to strip all the spaces, or just the ones at the beginning and the end of the line? |
| 13:27.15 | sly007 | just beginning and end |
| 13:27.35 | jelly-home | "sothiswouldnotbegood?" |
| 13:27.58 | jelly-home | sly007: ok, got it. |
| 13:28.21 | sly007 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:28.23 | sly007 | becomes |
| 13:28.29 | sly007 | "bla bla blah" |
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| 13:29.04 | DiamonD | Hi felows |
| 13:29.05 | DiamonD | :) |
| 13:29.10 | stew | sly007: sed 's/^\s*\([^\s]*\)\s*$/\1/' |
| 13:29.11 | jelly-home | sly007: yeah, it works. |
| 13:29.17 | stew | sly007: man sed, man regex |
| 13:29.25 | DiamonD | can someone help me uninstall mysql on my debian server |
| 13:29.30 | stew | err man 7 regex |
| 13:29.41 | stew | DiamonD: apt-get remove mysql-common |
| 13:29.42 | DiamonD | i have installed it from .tar.gz directory |
| 13:29.46 | DiamonD | ok |
| 13:29.48 | stew | oh |
| 13:29.54 | Samra- | enouf thanx anyway enouf, im glad you tryed!! |
| 13:30.01 | jelly-home | stew: I don't think sed does \s. |
| 13:30.02 | dvs | DiamonD: then no, no one is going to help you with that in here |
| 13:30.10 | stew | DiamonD: no, if you installed it from .tar.gz you should read INSTALL or you'll have to remove it yourself |
| 13:30.21 | sly007 | stew, how do I apply that to a file? |
| 13:30.41 | DiamonD | how to remove then |
| 13:30.43 | enouf | Samra-: welcome |
| 13:30.48 | stew | jelly-home: it does |
| 13:30.50 | DiamonD | rmdir /mysqldir/ |
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| 13:30.50 | DiamonD | ? |
| 13:30.53 | stew | sly007: with -i |
| 13:30.59 | stew | sly007: but you should read the manpage |
| 13:31.26 | sly007 | sed -e 's/^\s*\([^\s]*\)\s*$/\1/' -i file.txt |
| 13:31.31 | sly007 | doesn't print anything |
| 13:31.44 | Guerin | sly007: no news is good news |
| 13:31.44 | stew | sly007: that's good |
| 13:31.52 | asg | sly007: in generally, not printing anything means success |
| 13:31.55 | asg | *general |
| 13:32.00 | DiamonD | stew: can i delete the mysql dir or must i remove mysql with a command? |
| 13:32.13 | sly007 | It didn't add the quotes |
| 13:32.22 | sly007 | neither did it remove trailing spaces |
| 13:32.28 | spoopin | asg: 'sup |
| 13:32.31 | stew | sly007: oh, i forgot the quotes. i guess that is an exercise for you |
| 13:32.34 | wols_ | DiamonD: ask whoever gave you the tar.gz |
| 13:32.49 | stew | DiamonD: check the README and INSTALL to see if they came with installation instructions |
| 13:33.00 | asg | spoopin: morning |
| 13:33.03 | stew | DiamonD: if if ONLY installed files to one dir, then you can remove that dir |
| 13:33.12 | spoopin | asg: msg you? |
| 13:33.13 | DiamonD | ok |
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| 13:33.16 | Bushmills | sly007: http://sed.sourceforge.net/sed1line.txt . look at "delete leading whitespace" and "delete trailing whitespace" |
| 13:33.16 | asg | spoopin: you up for beer at regular time? |
| 13:33.21 | asg | spoopin: sure, feel free to /msg me |
| 13:33.23 | stew | DiamonD: but if it installed stuff to places like /usr/local/bin or /usr/local/lib, then you are going to have to remove other stuff by hand |
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| 13:34.23 | jelly-home | stew: hmm, I tried piping output of echo " foos " and echo " foo " thru your sed command. I remember having to use [ \t] instead. |
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| 13:36.34 | DiamonD | ok stew |
| 13:36.45 | DiamonD | but i have placed it in root / dir |
| 13:36.51 | DiamonD | how can i delete files from there |
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| 13:37.02 | stew | jelly-home: echo " b" | sed 's/\s/a/' works for me |
| 13:37.06 | DiamonD | rmdir should not work properly |
| 13:37.09 | Techdeck | what does debian use to autoload the needed modules at startup? |
| 13:37.16 | DiamonD | it's say's directory not empty |
| 13:37.24 | Techdeck | it used to use hotplug .. now it seems different |
| 13:37.32 | stew | DiamonD: which directory? / ? |
| 13:37.41 | dvs | Techdeck: It was always /etc/modules |
| 13:37.52 | Techdeck | dvs, yes, but how does it know which modules to put there? |
| 13:37.56 | DiamonD | /root/downloads/mysqldir/ |
| 13:38.01 | Techdeck | dvs, I mean, how does it automatically load your needed modules at startup? |
| 13:38.09 | Techdeck | which program does it use to do that? |
| 13:38.28 | dvs | Techdeck: It's shifting from hotplug to udev. |
| 13:38.29 | Techdeck | I need to do the same on LFS, and I need to know which tool to use for it |
| 13:38.45 | DiamonD | stew /root/downloasd/mysql/ |
| 13:38.46 | Techdeck | hmm, I don't have hotplug on my debian, it's a fresh install |
| 13:38.51 | DiamonD | stew: /root/downloasd/mysql/ |
| 13:38.51 | Techdeck | so I'm assuming it's only udev? |
| 13:38.58 | dvs | Techdeck: etch? |
| 13:39.01 | Techdeck | yes |
| 13:39.07 | dvs | Techdeck: then it's udev |
| 13:39.13 | Techdeck | ah gotcha |
| 13:39.20 | Techdeck | dvs, and how does udev know which modules to load? |
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| 13:39.26 | Techdeck | I have udev installed on LFS but it doesn't load anything |
| 13:39.31 | dvs | Techdeck: it's all magic to me. ;-) |
| 13:39.37 | Techdeck | lol, ditto |
| 13:39.41 | Techdeck | thanks for your time |
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| 13:40.03 | dvs | Techdeck: I think it's discover that detects the hardware in your system and tries to load the appropriate modules |
| 13:40.05 | Techdeck | vipersniper, already asked :) |
| 13:40.15 | vipersniper | lol |
| 13:40.17 | Techdeck | ah.. |
| 13:40.27 | Techdeck | so if I'll install discover udev should load the modules automatically? |
| 13:40.35 | dvs | Techdeck: should |
| 13:40.39 | Techdeck | gotcha, thanks again |
| 13:40.50 | dvs | yw |
| 13:41.13 | iLLucionist | christmas! |
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| 13:42.51 | iLLucionist | coffee is slowly replaced by hot chocolate milk...it's getting colder outside hereand the nights (thus joy) are longer. yay |
| 13:43.23 | dvs | iLLucionist: vampire! |
| 13:43.35 | jelly-home | stew: Found it, you're matching [^\s]* for \1, but the line could very be composed of many words. " foo baz quux ". Two s///, one for ^\s*, one for \s*$ would do the trick. |
| 13:43.42 | iLLucionist | dvs: Ahww...not! I like to dev at night. |
| 13:44.08 | dvs | iLLucionist: and bite people's necks when you get frustrated |
| 13:44.25 | iLLucionist | dvs: Nooo...when that happens I drink coffee. :-P |
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| 13:47.19 | Hoxzer | http://pastebin.ca/187797 <- can somebody help me with this? |
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| 13:49.15 | telexicon | is there a way to require rsa authentication and passwords? |
| 13:49.37 | iLLucionist | is Opera available from apt in testing? |
| 13:50.14 | andreiutz | Hi! i've just installed debian sarge 2.6 . I am a noob . how do i mount .bin images ? |
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| 13:50.36 | xuburma1 | hi |
| 13:50.40 | EdwinM | hi |
| 13:50.44 | xuburma1 | where do i get debian 64BIT???????????????? |
| 13:50.47 | telexicon | hello |
| 13:50.54 | telexicon | is that a question? |
| 13:51.12 | cahoot_ | telexicon: RSAAuthentication and PubkeyAuthentication set to yes? |
| 13:51.20 | iLLucionist | xuburma1: isn't there yet |
| 13:51.29 | telexicon | yes |
| 13:51.36 | Bushmills | andreiutz: what is a .bin image? |
| 13:51.42 | iLLucionist | xuburma1: will be supported from deb gnu/lin 4.0 afaik |
| 13:52.04 | andreiutz | Bushmills, an image similar to .iso |
| 13:52.07 | igraltist | hi |
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| 13:52.22 | andreiutz | Bushmills, in windows i used daemon tools . in linux what do i use |
| 13:52.22 | andreiutz | ? |
| 13:52.34 | telexicon | I have rsa authentication working, I would like it to require the rsa key as well as the users login password |
| 13:52.44 | igraltist | when i do remove gcc-4.1-base than it will also remove the apache and many other things |
| 13:52.47 | Bushmills | andreiutz: if it is an image of a valid file system, you can use mount for it |
| 13:52.52 | iLLucionist | andreiutz: mount. u use mount |
| 13:53.09 | igraltist | but i only will remove the gcc |
| 13:53.30 | cahoot_ | telexicon: one AND the other not OR? |
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| 13:53.37 | telexicon | yes both |
| 13:53.43 | valdyn | igraltist: those 2 packages are hardly related like that. Paste the output of you apt-get command somewhere |
| 13:53.44 | andreiutz | i tried with mount but this is what i get : mount: /home/andrei/Desktop/LinuxCBT Debian/TLF-SOFT-09.06.05.LinuxCBT.Debian.Edition-JUSTiSO-CD2.bin is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
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| 13:53.57 | Bushmills | andreiutz: fyi, file extensions have not the meaning under linux as they have under windows. |
| 13:54.21 | telexicon | if not, then id prefer rsa authentication only... which is what it is set to now |
| 13:54.34 | telexicon | if it is not possible i mean |
| 13:54.37 | Bushmills | andreiutz: so when telling about a fil type, don't use extensions like .bin which have not much meaning under linux |
| 13:55.03 | andreiutz | Bushmills, ahaaa . i understand . so the linux kernel is not operating with extensions |
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| 13:55.32 | andreiutz | Bushmills, but with the mount command it didn't worked out |
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| 13:55.37 | norc | hello. i have some trouble setting my debian box to english (from german) |
| 13:55.42 | igraltist | valdyn, here is what i had try http://pastebin.ca/187810 |
| 13:55.50 | Bushmills | andreiutz: no. and "extension" is just part of the of the file name. like . (dot) is a normal char in a file name |
| 13:55.57 | norc | what is exactly needed to have the whole box running on english? |
| 13:56.11 | Bushmills | andreiutz: use the file command to determine the nature of a file |
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| 13:56.31 | deconvolution | hi after dist-upgrade my sid laptop, now if I type apt-get dist-upgrade, the shell will say "/usr/bin/apt-get input/output error". Is there anyway I can resue my debian syste |
| 13:56.50 | deconvolution | resue my debian system? sorry |
| 13:57.06 | valdyn | igraltist: your installed packages are not in a consistent state., that has nothing to do with you removing gcc-4.1-base |
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| 13:57.24 | andreiutz | Bushmills, what do you mean with use the file command to determine the nature of a file ? |
| 13:57.47 | valdyn | igraltist: oh nm, that was premature of me. |
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| 13:57.52 | valdyn | igraltist: leave that package there |
| 13:57.53 | xored | how to check, wheater an ethernet card is 10mbit or 100 mbit ? |
| 13:58.05 | asg | xored: dmesg, mii-tool, mii-diag, or ethertool |
| 13:58.05 | Bushmills | andreiutz: it tells you what type of file it is. for example, with an iso file, it tells you that it is an iso file. regardless of file "extension" |
| 13:58.12 | valdyn | igraltist: you cant remove it |
| 13:58.20 | igraltist | yes i see |
| 13:58.22 | xuburma1 | debian can install rpm????????????????/ |
| 13:58.45 | valdyn | igraltist: you can remove gcc-4.1 though |
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| 13:58.49 | asg | xored: sorry, that was ethtool |
| 13:58.51 | zamuro | xuburma1: through alien |
| 13:58.56 | andreiutz | Bushmills, oh . i understand . |
| 13:58.58 | Bushmills | xuburma1: preferred is to convert rpm to deb, using alien |
| 13:59.12 | igraltist | i will try |
| 13:59.25 | Hoxzer | hmm |
| 13:59.30 | xuburma1 | Bushmills: but not all conversion from rpm to deb will result to a good application |
| 13:59.43 | Hoxzer | is there any way to setup apt-get update to run every 5 hour? |
| 13:59.50 | xuburma1 | you cant directly install rpm in debian? |
| 13:59.50 | asg | Hoxzer: cron-apt |
| 13:59.50 | Bushmills | xuburma1: not all rpm you can use with any rpm base distribution ... |
| 13:59.50 | telexicon | cron |
| 13:59.52 | norc | How can I set my system wide default language to English? |
| 13:59.54 | igraltist | the sserver is only for email and webservice thats why i was try to cleannall not nessasary packages |
| 14:00.11 | xuburma1 | Bushmills: so you cant install rpm directly? |
| 14:00.30 | xuburma1 | Bushmills: pls confirm |
| 14:00.32 | Bushmills | xuburma1: debian uses debian archives as native package type |
| 14:00.48 | xuburma1 | Bushmills: so no way to install rpm directly? |
| 14:00.50 | asg | norc: /msg dpkg locales |
| 14:00.51 | Bushmills | xuburma1: and alien has an "install" option |
| 14:01.02 | xuburma1 | really |
| 14:01.08 | norc | asg: thanks :) |
| 14:01.08 | xuburma1 | alien is good? |
| 14:01.19 | Bushmills | xuburma1: you probably can use rpm to install, but you'll need the rpm database |
| 14:01.27 | highlands | hello? |
| 14:01.30 | xuburma1 | oh |
| 14:01.30 | valdyn | igraltist: that package is maybe superflous, feel free to report a bug.. but its only a few Documentation texts |
| 14:01.40 | jelly-home | Bushmills: no way. think of the dependencies. |
| 14:01.50 | asg | norc: /msg dpkg keymap (may also be of use) |
| 14:01.54 | Eulex | xuburma1, don't use alien if you don't need to. |
| 14:02.02 | xuburma1 | hmm i guess ubuntu got the upper hand to install rpm |
| 14:02.02 | andreiutz | Bushmills, si now the corect question is how do i mount a bin image ? i tried this : mount -t iso9660 /home/andrei/Desktop/LinuxCBT\ Debian/TLF-SOFT-09.06.05.LinuxCBT.Debian.Edition-JUSTiSO-CD2.bin /home/andrei/training/ but it didn't work : ........Debian/TLF-SOFT-09.06.05.LinuxCBT.Debian.Edition-JUSTiSO-CD2.bin is not a block device (maybe try `-o loop'?) |
| 14:02.08 | norc | asg: thats not necessary, I prefer german keyboard layout, just want english systen language. thanks :) |
| 14:02.12 | xuburma1 | wait ubuntu is deb packages right? |
| 14:02.13 | igraltist | ok thx |
| 14:02.14 | valdyn | igraltist: i can already see that its somewhat 'broken' though, see dpkg -L gcc-4.1-base. you can safely ignore it |
| 14:02.17 | Bushmills | jelly-home: i don't say "no problems". xuburma1 insists on "installing directly" |
| 14:02.18 | Eulex | xuburma1, yes. |
| 14:02.32 | norc | andreiutz: read ... try mount -o loop instead ot -t iso9660 |
| 14:02.44 | xuburma1 | Eulex: can u install rpm in ubuntu? |
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| 14:02.53 | xuburma1 | Eulex: pls confirm |
| 14:02.54 | Eulex | xuburma1, yes, using alien |
| 14:03.08 | valdyn | xuburma1: you shouldnt do it, its stupid |
| 14:03.12 | octan | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:03.21 | xuburma1 | really |
| 14:03.27 | Bushmills | andreiutz: read the last 2 words of your output |
| 14:03.29 | Eulex | xuburma1, and please stop with that "pls confirm" stuff, it won't motivate people to help you more |
| 14:03.30 | sepski | xuburma1, it is usualy better to install from tar.gz in /usr/local then to use rpm+ alien |
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| 14:03.37 | xuburma1 | valdyn: but some programs arent in DEB its in RPM |
| 14:03.42 | Bushmills | andreiutz: or, the last 4 |
| 14:03.47 | valdyn | xuburma1: so? |
| 14:03.49 | xuburma1 | valdyn: how do i install RPM packages like 1gb big |
| 14:03.51 | norc | asg: the applications give output still in german instead of in english :( |
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| 14:04.15 | jelly-home | xuburma1: what exactly are you trying to install? |
| 14:04.22 | highlands | 1gb rpm? o.o |
| 14:04.27 | xuburma1 | jelly-home: i installing MAYA 8 |
| 14:04.28 | valdyn | xuburma1: you dont |
| 14:04.31 | octan | hello? |
| 14:04.34 | asg | norc: you might need to restart them and also X to pickup the new locales |
| 14:04.37 | Eulex | xuburma1, if you really really have to and it's not available as rpm nor as source: (1) convert the package using alien (2) install the resulting deb package |
| 14:04.39 | xuburma1 | xuburma1: its got RPM but no deb |
| 14:04.41 | valdyn | xuburma1: solution depends on the problem ( the exact package ) |
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| 14:05.06 | norc | asg: mhmm ...ok :( |
| 14:05.06 | jelly-home | xuburma1: if they have a generic installation (a tar or a binary file), try using that instead of the rpm. |
| 14:05.08 | xuburma1 | oh well |
| 14:05.09 | highlands | xuburma1, use the source? |
| 14:05.13 | Techdeck | anyone good with udev around? |
| 14:05.26 | andreiutz | Bushmills, norc deb:/home/andrei# mount -o loop /home/andrei/Desktop/LinuxCBT\ Debian/TLF-SOFT-09.06.05.LinuxCBT.Debian.Edition-JUSTiSO-CD2.bin /home/andrei/training/ ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 14:05.27 | valdyn | !tell Techdeck -about ask |
| 14:05.35 | octan | anyone know? |
| 14:05.42 | xuburma1 | jelly-home: but tar and binary file cant be uninstalled yes? |
| 14:05.43 | Ronin | octan: know what? |
| 14:05.52 | octan | ln -s /etc/init.d/myfile /etc/rc2.d/S100myfile is that ok. or is the max number 99 as i see alot of,,? |
| 14:06.11 | octan | the linking numbers |
| 14:06.24 | Eulex | xuburma1, not automatically, it takes some work. but certainly doable. |
| 14:06.30 | Bushmills | andreiutz: read the last 7 words of your output |
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| 14:06.47 | jelly-home | xuburma1: in general you're correct. However if you install it in a separate directory like /opt/maya you can just wipe the directory. |
| 14:06.57 | xuburma1 | ok guys thanks i think i know what distro im gonna stick to |
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| 14:07.04 | xuburma1 | thanks |
| 14:07.07 | valdyn | octan: those links are sorted alphabetically i bet |
| 14:07.13 | dn4 | Anyone know about bill H.R. 6166? |
| 14:07.16 | octan | yes,, |
| 14:07.22 | sepski | xuburma1, that's why you have the /usr/local, for |
| 14:07.24 | octan | no and yes |
| 14:07.32 | dn4 | Bush is covering up war crimes when signing that bill |
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| 14:07.45 | highlands | so? |
| 14:07.57 | highlands | does Bush use debian? |
| 14:08.02 | jelly-home | dn4: is this leading to a Debian related support question? |
| 14:08.09 | octan | S10scripts are sorted S11 are sorted valdyn |
| 14:08.19 | octan | but whats max size on link number |
| 14:08.25 | dn4 | how do I view pdf files in debian, so I can see this bill |
| 14:08.26 | dn4 | ? |
| 14:08.30 | asg | dn4: xpdf |
| 14:08.33 | jelly-home | dn4: xpdf |
| 14:08.39 | dn4 | ahh thank you :) |
| 14:08.39 | Bushmills | dn4: use a pdf viewer |
| 14:08.39 | highlands | xpdf +1 |
| 14:08.41 | octan | is it 99 or can i use any bigger number? |
| 14:08.42 | valdyn | octan: why the HELL do you ask that, they are sorted ALPHABETICALLY |
| 14:08.44 | Bushmills | dn4: evince |
| 14:09.02 | stoned | you're stored alphabetically |
| 14:09.08 | valdyn | octan: you _can_ use 10000000, that does not mean it makes sense |
| 14:09.12 | octan | valdyn S10 script is executed before S11 scripts.. |
| 14:09.21 | valdyn | octan: right |
| 14:09.28 | pipeline | So, how the heck does one get gtk-window-decorator to work? |
| 14:09.34 | pipeline | It's in unstable, so I figure it's fair game to ask. |
| 14:09.34 | Eulex | octan, S100 scripts would be executes before S11 scripts. |
| 14:09.41 | ChrisWhite | xdpf.. that thing is ugly, gpdf, evince or something |
| 14:09.45 | Eulex | *executed |
| 14:09.52 | robin_sz | valdyn, I thnk he wanted to know if S100 was run after S99 |
| 14:09.54 | octan | Eulex, why is that |
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| 14:10.13 | octan | because 99 is the max number? |
| 14:10.13 | highlands | how about ghostscript? |
| 14:10.14 | valdyn | robin_sz: yea |
| 14:10.19 | asg | ChrisWhite: it has better rendering than the others though; some pdfs can only be displayed by xpdf |
| 14:10.34 | jelly-home | octan: because they're sorted alphabetically. |
| 14:10.38 | pipeline | asg, ChrisWhite : Uhh, mpdf / gpdf use the xpdf backend. |
| 14:10.52 | Eulex | octan, they're sorted alphabetically? |
| 14:10.52 | pipeline | asg, ChrisWhite : The only reason to use xpdf is that you enjoy athena :P |
| 14:10.53 | highlands | lol |
| 14:10.59 | ChrisWhite | see, that's the thing, I don't enjoy athena :p |
| 14:11.03 | highlands | athena is awesome |
| 14:11.03 | asg | pipeline: indeed but for some reason, I've seen pdfs that will not display in gpdf but do just fine in xpdf. |
| 14:11.08 | valdyn | octan: run 'ls' in that directory, that will tell you the order |
| 14:11.14 | pipeline | asg: Then your gpdf was statically compiled. That's bad. |
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| 14:11.15 | octan | well if they where sorted alphabeticaly why use SnScript ? |
| 14:11.26 | jelly-home | octan: convention. |
| 14:11.37 | ChrisWhite | you could use the linux version of adobe acrobat reader! |
| 14:11.58 | asg | pipeline: it was the standard one in Debian, that wasn't statically compiled |
| 14:11.58 | highlands | adobe is the best, but... |
| 14:12.02 | jelly-home | ChrisWhite: a Debian tool was asked for. |
| 14:12.34 | robin_sz | you would have to have a very complex setup to require more than 99 distinct execution steps to start up on a particular run level |
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| 14:12.55 | octan | i thought the where executed in numeric then alphabetic inside the numeric secuense |
| 14:13.03 | robin_sz | octan, remember, you can have multiple entries on a single sumber, eg S55foo and S55bar |
| 14:13.13 | octan | etc S10a would be before S10b |
| 14:13.17 | Eulex | robin_sz, you can already have more steps... as S100 is excuted before S101, then S102 etc |
| 14:13.26 | robin_sz | right |
| 14:13.34 | robin_sz | and thats before S10 |
| 14:13.37 | octan | but S9b would also be S10a |
| 14:13.43 | octan | *erm |
| 14:13.44 | octan | before |
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| 14:13.49 | robin_sz | anyway ... we cleared that up |
| 14:13.52 | robin_sz | NEXT! |
| 14:13.53 | jelly-home | octan: nope. S100 < S101 < S10A < S10B < S10a < S10z < S11xx |
| 14:13.58 | stoned | wake n bake |
| 14:14.01 | stoned | whats going on people |
| 14:14.11 | stoned | what are all these numbers |
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| 14:14.18 | asg | stoned: man run-parts |
| 14:14.27 | stoned | dude |
| 14:14.31 | stoned | I just woke up, spare me the man |
| 14:14.33 | stoned | :) |
| 14:14.34 | robin_sz | stoned, Linus has quit the job, RMS has joined Microsoft and the pope is gay ... apart from that another dull day |
| 14:14.40 | asg | stoned: run-parts(8) |
| 14:14.54 | highlands | hahaha |
| 14:15.10 | jelly-home | robin_sz: you forgot about the missiles. |
| 14:15.15 | highlands | RMS joined M$? |
| 14:15.25 | robin_sz | jelly-home, shh, I didnt want to depress him |
| 14:15.30 | stoned | when was the pope not gay? |
| 14:15.37 | stoned | *ahem* |
| 14:15.39 | robin_sz | stoned, point. |
| 14:15.41 | highlands | pope? |
| 14:15.50 | stoned | wtf is rms? |
| 14:15.52 | valdyn | octan: S9b comes after S10, S9b does not comform to debian policy though |
| 14:15.55 | asg | !rms |
| 14:15.55 | dpkg | rms is probably Richard M. Stallman, founder of the Free Software Foundation (FSF) and the GNU project, as well as the original author of the GNU C Compiler and GNU Emacs, one hell of a lisp coder. see fsf. or "Join us now and share the software, you'll be free hackers" , or see <vrms> |
| 14:16.03 | highlands | !pope |
| 14:16.09 | stoned | dude |
| 14:16.17 | stoned | Lamb of God kicks ass! |
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| 14:16.36 | stoned | I just got the new CD, Sacrament, badass riffing and groove man |
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| 14:16.58 | stoned | I like em |
| 14:17.01 | stoned | oldschool shit |
| 14:17.02 | highlands | haha, this !rms is useful at RIP time |
| 14:17.32 | highlands | !vms |
| 14:17.33 | dpkg | vms is probably a stable, secure, reliable OS from DEC, that runs on VAX and Alpha or older than areess64 by about 10 years. or rather confusing for someone thats only used *nix boxes |
| 14:17.50 | asg | highlands: if you want to explore the factoids, /msg dpkg <foo> |
| 14:17.56 | robin_sz | trouble with RMS is he bleieves in freedom ... his version of freedom, and you'd better pay attention and join in, or be cast out. |
| 14:18.00 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 14:18.01 | dpkg | somebody said dpkgbot was Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 14:18.02 | highlands | sorry |
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| 14:19.09 | robin_sz | it will be interesting to see which projects adopt it |
| 14:19.20 | highlander | lol |
| 14:19.38 | robin_sz | not the kernel, thats for sure |
| 14:19.45 | stoned | you're a kernel |
| 14:19.46 | jelly-home | robin_sz: teehee, all the ones that say "... or any later version". |
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| 14:20.08 | robin_sz | jelly-home, not necessarily ... they _COULD_ but they are not bound to |
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| 14:20.25 | robin_sz | and the kernel isnt one of those anyway, so thats stuck on GPL2 |
| 14:20.47 | jelly-home | There are better things to be depressed about. |
| 14:20.55 | robin_sz | like? |
| 14:21.07 | highlander | is GPL3 DRM-Proof? |
| 14:21.13 | jelly-home | beh, global warming? |
| 14:21.21 | robin_sz | jelly-home, point. |
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| 14:21.38 | robin_sz | highlander, probably, which is why the kernel team are opposed to it |
| 14:21.42 | Ragnaroek | yo |
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| 14:23.30 | xuburma1 | YO THANKS ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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| 14:24.17 | highlander | I doubt if GPL can live till 2050 |
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| 14:25.01 | stoned | its ran by people |
| 14:25.06 | stoned | people are fucking idiots |
| 14:25.13 | stoned | what do you think will happen |
| 14:25.44 | robin_sz | mmm ... |
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| 14:25.56 | johmathe | hi |
| 14:26.07 | asg | stoned: BSD is dead. Long live BSD |
| 14:26.07 | johmathe | is anybody know well ffmpeg api ? |
| 14:26.22 | stoned | my point remains |
| 14:26.29 | stoned | people are morons |
| 14:26.29 | Eulex | "le roi est mort, vive le roi" |
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| 14:26.58 | asg | Eulex: Leroy? |
| 14:27.03 | highlander | BSD dead? is that a joke? |
| 14:27.11 | stoned | sarcasm |
| 14:27.14 | Eulex | :) |
| 14:27.22 | stoned | whicih is wasted on me btw |
| 14:27.33 | asg | stoned: given your current state, I'm not surprised |
| 14:28.00 | stoned | its always wasted on me, sarcasm is useless and accomplishes nothing, merely gives the illusion |
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| 14:28.11 | asg | stoned: given that you're wasted |
| 14:28.21 | stoned | not at all |
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| 14:28.39 | asg | stoned: en route? |
| 14:28.44 | highlander | if linux was killed on the battlefield, we still have the #2 --- BSD |
| 14:28.45 | stoned | indeed |
| 14:28.54 | highlander | s/have/had |
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| 14:29.24 | porkpie | hi guy,s I am just build a Dell power edge 1950 running hardware raid one. THe server restart and I get grub starting please wait error 21 |
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| 14:30.18 | andreiutz | Bushmills, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/4eNlUa70.html |
| 14:30.40 | andreiutz | hi i want to mount a bin image i get this error http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/4eNlUa70.html |
| 14:31.10 | stoned | !cdemu |
| 14:31.11 | dpkg | CDemu is a kernel module for Linux. It is designed to simulate a CD drive + CD with just simple cue/bin files. You can use it to watch an SVCD or mount the data track of an bin/cue. You should use mplayer to watch SVCD movies stored as cue/bin file, it also supports it. http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:31.31 | porkpie | hi dpkg |
| 14:31.53 | dererk | do you know why postfix-tls isn't any longer on testing/unstable ? |
| 14:32.01 | stoned | asg, man, its 9:31am and I'm stoned as shit, I just wokeu p |
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| 14:32.27 | Bushmills | andreiutz: did the file command on your bin file state that it is an iso file? |
| 14:32.33 | Eulex | andreiutz, bin != iso. a bin file is not just a simple image of the disc. you'll need to convert it using bchunk before mounting it. |
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| 14:32.46 | cbr | debian doesnt have automake-1.6.. how do i compile packages that require it? |
| 14:32.54 | asg | stoned: it's 10:32am here, beer-30 has arrived |
| 14:32.59 | stoned | lol |
| 14:33.08 | stoned | cheers |
| 14:33.21 | highlander | beer-30? |
| 14:33.25 | highlander | bear? |
| 14:33.31 | azeem | cbr: those packages should also work with automake1.7 till automake1.9 |
| 14:34.31 | asg | highlander: a pseudo time meaning that beer can now be imbibed |
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| 14:35.38 | highlander | it's 14:35. tea-time |
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| 14:36.27 | andreiutz | Bushmills, no . i think not |
| 14:36.53 | Bushmills | andreiutz: well, if it is not an ISO image, you can't mount it as type iso9660 |
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| 14:37.07 | andreiutz | Bushmills, but how ? ext3 ? |
| 14:37.12 | norc | does udev just execute mknode for each device reported by the kernel? |
| 14:37.23 | Bushmills | andreiutz: what type is it? |
| 14:37.27 | highlander | well, what's the best format to backup a vcd? |
| 14:37.29 | valdyn | norc: it acts according to rules in /etc/udev/ |
| 14:37.36 | Bushmills | andreiutz: if it is ext3, you can mount it as ext3, sure |
| 14:37.44 | norc | valdyn: well, but it executes mknode, right? |
| 14:37.56 | norc | *mknod |
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| 14:38.13 | valdyn | norc: for some devices.sure |
| 14:38.15 | fs-a | omg amarok owns |
| 14:38.17 | norc | mhm ok |
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| 14:38.32 | fs-a | damn, amarok depends on it |
| 14:38.35 | fs-a | :p |
| 14:38.38 | gentgeen__ | anyone help me out with a more eloquent way to do this : grep -e "@" FILENAME | grep -v "^Received:" | grep -v "^Message-ID:" |
| 14:39.28 | andreiutz | Bushmills, i don't know what type it is . in windows i mounted it with daemon tools and it has the extension .bin . thats all i jnow about this file . |
| 14:39.42 | Bushmills | andreiutz: i suggested several times to use the file command |
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| 14:40.45 | rohan | hi all, on debian sid, i tried to install xserver-xorg and i am getting the message "A null entry is not permitted for this value. " and an option "OK" |
| 14:40.53 | andreiutz | Eulex, so you're saying that every type of image like nrg , bin , etc it must be converted to iso so it can be mounted ? |
| 14:40.54 | rohan | and even i press OK, it does not make any difference |
| 14:41.00 | rohan | so i am stuck on that screen ! |
| 14:41.08 | valdyn | andreiutz: no |
| 14:41.08 | Kurt2 | right now, I'm the world's biggest Atlanta Braves fan |
| 14:41.09 | andreiutz | Bushmills, what is the file command ? |
| 14:41.21 | rohan | what do i do to go ahead now ? |
| 14:41.22 | stoned | hello |
| 14:41.25 | Bushmills | it is, like, letters f, letter i, letter l and letter e |
| 14:41.27 | stoned | !cdemu |
| 14:41.27 | dpkg | CDemu is a kernel module for Linux. It is designed to simulate a CD drive + CD with just simple cue/bin files. You can use it to watch an SVCD or mount the data track of an bin/cue. You should use mplayer to watch SVCD movies stored as cue/bin file, it also supports it. http://cdemu.sourceforge.net/ |
| 14:41.32 | stoned | look at that |
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| 14:41.36 | stoned | you don't have to convert |
| 14:41.41 | valdyn | andreiutz: a bin/cue image _can_ contain an iso, it can even be an iso. If it contains an iso at the start then it can be mounted directly |
| 14:41.44 | stoned | you can keep praticing your current religion |
| 14:41.48 | stoned | doh! |
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| 14:42.35 | rohan | how do i kindof kill dpkg or apt ? |
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| 14:42.45 | stoned | ctrl + c |
| 14:42.50 | rohan | stoned: doesnt work |
| 14:43.12 | highlander | o.o |
| 14:43.14 | stoned | yes it does |
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| 14:43.30 | rohan | stoned: it is a dialog window .. in a vt |
| 14:43.33 | rohan | not dpkg in itself |
| 14:43.49 | rohan | a dialog window which is showing the above error |
| 14:44.05 | stoned | you mean like synaptic or something |
| 14:44.13 | rohan | no |
| 14:44.14 | rohan | apt-get |
| 14:44.20 | rohan | i am in vt, no gui |
| 14:44.31 | stoned | doesn't matter |
| 14:44.38 | andreiutz | Bushmills, sorry i understand now . i should try the command file to see what type . i'm sorry that i was so idiot . i am a noob , and plus that i am from roumania and sometomes i give diferent meaning to english words |
| 14:44.57 | rohan | stoned: well, pressing ctrl-c is making no difference, neither is pressing ok |
| 14:45.10 | Fossilet | ctrl-z then kill it? |
| 14:45.11 | stoned | rohan, killall -9 apt-get |
| 14:45.17 | rohan | aww :( |
| 14:45.34 | rohan | wow, even ctrl-z is not working .. |
| 14:46.09 | valdyn | rohan: alt-f1 |
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| 14:46.23 | valdyn | rohan: ctrl-z doesnt work on a tty that doesnt have a shell on it |
| 14:46.34 | rohan | valdyn: i am on tty |
| 14:46.40 | rohan | but anyway, now it works |
| 14:46.41 | andreiutz | stoned, thanks but before trying cdemu i want to try this method first . i apreciate youre help and if i fail cdemu is the next step |
| 14:46.43 | highlander | give xkill a try? |
| 14:46.43 | rohan | with killall -9 |
| 14:46.44 | rohan | :) |
| 14:46.51 | rohan | highlander: i haven't yet installed x |
| 14:46.56 | highlander | ... |
| 14:47.05 | highlander | kill its shell? |
| 14:47.22 | stoned | someone stole my skittles |
| 14:47.23 | rohan | well, now it is working .. though it was a real dirty way of killing it :( |
| 14:47.26 | stoned | fuckers |
| 14:47.31 | highlander | stole? x_x |
| 14:47.39 | stoned | word |
| 14:47.45 | stoned | m & m's rock |
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| 14:48.22 | asg | stoned: I have peanut, plain, and minis. |
| 14:48.41 | stoned | I buy huge bags of skittles |
| 14:48.48 | stoned | I love em |
| 14:48.49 | andreiutz | Bushmills, this is the output of the file command : /home/andrei/Desktop/LinuxCBT Debian/TLF-SOFT-09.06.05.LinuxCBT.Debian.Edition-JUSTiSO-CD2.bin: data |
| 14:49.03 | andreiutz | Bushmills, how should i mount it now ? |
| 14:49.06 | asg | stoned: now that Halloween isn't far away, I've stocked up (for myself of course) |
| 14:49.12 | stoned | lol |
| 14:49.27 | stoned | I am getting depressed |
| 14:49.40 | valdyn | andreiutz: what's supposed to be on that image? |
| 14:49.45 | blag | Need ideas of new nick :) /q me please! |
| 14:49.46 | stoned | holiday season coming up and I can't go see my daughter or my gf |
| 14:49.59 | stoned | I have to work |
| 14:49.59 | Eulex | andreiutz, yes. or use cdemu. |
| 14:50.23 | asg | stoned: ah, that sucks |
| 14:50.51 | andreiutz | valdyn, on that image is the linux cbt debian tutorial |
| 14:51.41 | valdyn | andreiutz: run 'mplayer that.bin' |
| 14:52.12 | valdyn | andreiutz: its likely a VCD, god knows why you want to mount it |
| 14:52.31 | andreiutz | valdyn, it is not a VCD it is a cd-image |
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| 14:52.38 | valdyn | andreiutz: eh? |
| 14:52.48 | valdyn | andreiutz: since when does cd-image imply that its not a vcd image ? |
| 14:52.50 | andreiutz | valdyn, in windows i mount that file with daemon tools |
| 14:53.05 | valdyn | andreiutz: what does mplayer tell? |
| 14:53.13 | sulo | hi |
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| 14:53.29 | robin_sz | andreiutz, mount it via the loopback device then |
| 14:54.04 | valdyn | andreiutz: daemon tools isnt more like cdemu than mount -o loop |
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| 14:54.53 | valdyn | s/isnt/is/ |
| 14:54.58 | andreiutz | ok here is the output : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BXk8sQ80.html |
| 14:55.10 | andreiutz | valdyn, robin_sz http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/BXk8sQ80.html |
| 14:55.24 | valdyn | andreiutz: knew that, please try mplayer |
| 14:55.42 | robin_sz | then its not a ISO cd image |
| 14:55.43 | jelly-home | bin/cue images might have blocks of 2352 bytes, mount -o loop wouldn't know how to handle that since they're not just iso9660. |
| 14:55.57 | valdyn | andreiutz: or you can try xine if you dont have mplayer... |
| 14:56.05 | jelly-home | cdemu was made to work around that, I suppose |
| 14:56.05 | valdyn | andreiutz: 'xine that.bin' |
| 14:56.06 | Bushmills | andreiutz: this is not a known or valid file system |
| 14:56.17 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | What is the setting that redirects from one directory to another in sites-available/default ? |
| 14:56.24 | andreiutz | valdyn i don't have mplayer i need 1 min to install it |
| 14:56.30 | valdyn | andreiutz: sure |
| 14:56.41 | jelly-home | Inf3rn0: Alias? |
| 14:56.45 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, many many ways to do that |
| 14:56.48 | Bushmills | andreiutz: "data" means, this is not a know type of file for linux |
| 14:56.56 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | Ok. Give me one :p |
| 14:56.56 | Bushmills | known, even |
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| 14:57.21 | robin_sz | Inf3rn0_Laptop, Alias, DocumentRoot, Redirect, Redirect Permanent, symlinks ... |
| 14:57.24 | valdyn | Bushmills: no it doesnt mean that |
| 14:57.31 | Inf3rn0_Laptop | ok |
| 14:57.43 | valdyn | Bushmills: 'data' means that 'file' the command doesnt know it |
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| 14:57.59 | robin_sz | Alias is all doen on the server |
| 14:58.11 | robin_sz | redirects have the browser call a different path |
| 14:58.16 | AldoReset | i have trouble to install etch on D946GZIS. you need to put acpi=off or upgrade bios to 00047. but video chipset is not supported. |
| 14:58.16 | robin_sz | or site |
| 14:58.29 | andreiutz | Bushmills, and if is not a known file system what is to be done ? |
| 14:58.40 | jelly-home | Inf3rn0: ranging from easy/simple to arcane/powerful, apache provides these: Alias, Redirect & friends, RewriteRule & friends |
| 14:58.45 | jelly-home | er |
| 14:58.50 | Bushmills | andreiutz: get the file as something which can be used |
| 14:59.13 | andreiutz | Bushmills, ahaaa . so i should convert it |
| 14:59.15 | Bushmills | andreiutz: or use a conversion program from whatever format is in now to something you can use |
| 14:59.29 | valdyn | geez |
| 14:59.31 | andreiutz | valdyn, can i try with totem m p ? |
| 14:59.33 | jelly-home | Inf3rn0: do you want the browser to be redirected to the new URL, or do you want for same content to appear at both urls? |
| 14:59.40 | jelly-home | Inf3rn0_Laptop: do you want the browser to be redirected to the new URL, or do you want for same content to appear at both urls? |
| 14:59.46 | AldoReset | i have trouble to install etch on D946GZIS. you need to put acpi=off or upgrade bios to 00047. but video chipset is not supported. |
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| 14:59.53 | valdyn | andreiutz: you can try, maybe its a good idea to rename it to .mpeg for totem, i dont know |
| 15:00.07 | valdyn | andreiutz: totem should be able to play that, i havent tried though |
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| 15:01.59 | andreiutz | valdyn, Totem could not play 'file:///home/andrei/Desktop/LinuxCBT Debian/TLF-SOFT-09.06.05.LinuxCBT.Debian.Edition-JUSTiSO-CD2.bin'. There is no plugin to handle this movie. |
| 15:02.11 | valdyn | andreiutz: totem sucks.. |
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| 15:02.28 | valdyn | andreiutz: as i said, maybe fixing the .bin to .mpeg does it |
| 15:02.38 | valdyn | andreiutz: but maybe not, totem isnt mplayer |
| 15:02.49 | Bushmills | was that a known video format, file had with extremely high likeliness told so |
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| 15:04.19 | valdyn | Bushmills: a vcd image isnt exactly a video format |
| 15:04.33 | valdyn | Bushmills: some header, some whatever, followed by mpeg |
| 15:04.55 | highlander | vcd -> avi? |
| 15:05.04 | valdyn | highlander: hmm? |
| 15:05.32 | highlander | so you can put it on the HDD |
| 15:05.42 | inigo | hi, i'm trying to build a own package... i'm getting this mesagge: dh_clean: Compatibility levels before 4 are deprecated. ¿any tip? |
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| 15:05.54 | valdyn | highlander: he already has it on hd as CD image |
| 15:05.58 | inigo | the package builds ... but these message is a few times |
| 15:06.02 | highlander | -_- |
| 15:06.37 | Bushmills | valdyn: well, if you know that it is a vcd image, ok. i can't see that from anything. |
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| 15:06.53 | valdyn | Bushmills: google.. |
| 15:06.55 | andreiutz | valdyn, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Jle1pd13.html |
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| 15:07.05 | Bushmills | valdyn: for me it is as far what file says: unknown data |
| 15:07.22 | valdyn | andreiutz: yea i expected that.. totem isnt good |
| 15:07.30 | dstar | does anyone know how to get fastresolve to build on debian? Or of a .deb for it? |
| 15:07.32 | highlander | well, is .bin a patented format? |
| 15:07.33 | andreiutz | Bushmills, with what program can i convert this file into a known one ? |
| 15:07.45 | valdyn | highlander: no, its not a format in that sense |
| 15:07.47 | Bushmills | andreiutz: no idea, i don't know what kind of file it is |
| 15:08.06 | valdyn | highlander: its an image of the disk content |
| 15:08.07 | Bushmills | andreiutz: ask valdyn, he seems to know that this is a vcd fiole |
| 15:08.09 | Bushmills | file |
| 15:08.34 | highlander | so, .bin is a multi-session raw image? |
| 15:08.49 | valdyn | highlander: yea |
| 15:08.51 | highlander | iso = one data track? |
| 15:08.56 | valdyn | highlander: yea |
| 15:09.02 | highlander | iso = one session? |
| 15:09.10 | highlander | hahahahahahaha |
| 15:09.26 | valdyn | highlander: iso is one data track containing an iso9660 fs |
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| 15:09.35 | highlander | It sounds like a FAQ |
| 15:09.38 | andreiutz | valdyn, what should i do ? install xine ? |
| 15:09.59 | valdyn | andreiutz: i only know that mplayer will play a vcd image straight. |
| 15:10.11 | andreiutz | valdyn, i can't install mplayer because apt-get didn't find it and i don't know how to compile it |
| 15:10.14 | valdyn | andreiutz: i dont have one image here to do experiments |
| 15:10.35 | valdyn | !mplayer |
| 15:10.36 | dpkg | mplayer is probably not packaged by debian for complicated reasons, you want to use vlc or xine instead. if not, either see <marillat>, <marillat key> or <cerkinfo> for pre-built debs, or if you really want to build, build a deb from the source tarball at http://www.mplayerhq.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html, or ask me about <mplayer faq> <w32codecs>, or use mplayer-386 from marillat, not -586. see <mplayer legal saga>, or at http://www.debian-multimedia.org |
| 15:10.50 | valdyn | !marillat |
| 15:10.50 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 15:11.06 | iLLucionist | marillat works fine |
| 15:11.23 | andreiutz | valdyn, should i install marrilat ? |
| 15:11.24 | Bushmills | maybe the factoid needs updating? marillat is now http://www.debian-multimedia.org iirc |
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| 15:11.50 | andreiutz | valdyn, or I should try compiling it ? |
| 15:11.56 | valdyn | andreiutz: no |
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| 15:12.09 | highlander | tks dpkg for that secret skill |
| 15:12.17 | andreiutz | orperhaps i should try cdemu |
| 15:12.36 | bit0 | there's a problem with libicu36, anyone could help me? (try openoffice.org from sid) |
| 15:12.40 | gentgeen__ | anyone help me out with a more eloquent way to do this : grep -e "@" FILENAME | grep -v "^Received:" | grep -v "^Message-ID:" |
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| 15:12.48 | andreiutz | in windows i load this file with daemon tools a cd/dvd emualtion program |
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| 15:13.22 | highlander | there is a app as daemon-tools on windows |
| 15:13.28 | highlander | s/a/an |
| 15:13.40 | highlander | (hehe) |
| 15:14.08 | Bushmills | su |
| 15:14.11 | Bushmills | oops |
| 15:14.12 | highlander | - |
| 15:14.20 | andreiutz | :))) |
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| 15:15.06 | highlander | brb |
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| 15:15.42 | andreiutz | valdyn, what should i do ? |
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| 15:16.42 | andreiutz | valdyn, what is the problem with this file ? in windows i could load that file with daemon tools(cd/dvd emulator) |
| 15:16.59 | andreiutz | valdyn, isn't that possible with linux ? |
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| 15:17.32 | Coke | is there a command to add new apt sources? (etch) |
| 15:17.49 | andreiutz | stoned, are you still here ? |
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| 15:18.17 | stoned | no |
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| 15:19.02 | dstar | alternatively, anyone got a good alternative to fastresolve? |
| 15:19.06 | andreiutz | stoned, can you give me an advice ? i don't understand what is the problem with this file ? |
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| 15:19.11 | andreiutz | stoned, pls |
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| 15:22.26 | andreiutz | stoned, don't be mad , i am a noob i can't talk about several methods at the same time . |
| 15:22.40 | andreiutz | :) |
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| 15:32.38 | rohan | is xserver-xorg an essential packge ? |
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| 15:33.01 | JB[away] | heheh this is not ubuntu :) |
| 15:33.14 | rohan | i know ;) |
| 15:33.17 | zinx | it's not essential even in ubuntu |
| 15:33.30 | rohan | but atm the xserver-xorg package in sid is b0rken, hence the question .. |
| 15:34.06 | zinx | uh? |
| 15:34.21 | rohan | zinx: its not installable .. |
| 15:34.30 | Bhavesh | well that doenot help me.. i JUST literally finished running aptitude upgrade to sid |
| 15:34.56 | JB[away] | have anyone a backport for apache2.2 ? |
| 15:35.49 | zinx | rohan: i don't understand what the question you asked has to do with that |
| 15:35.59 | andreiutz | stoned, i read what you wrote earlier about cdemu . thanks |
| 15:36.19 | rohan | zinx: well, since it is not installable now, and i want to have a gui, i am stuck, if the package xserver-xorg is essential |
| 15:36.22 | rohan | :) |
| 15:36.32 | zinx | rohan: what? |
| 15:36.33 | hoarycripple | On Debian Sarge (kernel 2.6.8-3), i keep getting a kernel panic when trying to burn a dvd with growisofs. I can't find any references to this problem online. Any ideas? |
| 15:36.42 | zinx | rohan: the package being non-essenial or essential has nothing to do with it |
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| 15:36.58 | zinx | rohan: if stuff is broken that you need, don't upgrade |
| 15:37.04 | rohan | zinx: well, if the package is needed for X to start, its essential .. |
| 15:37.09 | zinx | rohan: or at least, don't upgrade that stuff |
| 15:37.18 | rohan | zinx: i dont have any older version of that package |
| 15:37.23 | Bhavesh | rohan: for your gui you need Xwindow, and you need that package for Xwindow |
| 15:37.37 | zinx | rohan: oh, i see. please don't use the word "essential" for that - it's got very specific definition in the debian world |
| 15:37.42 | rohan | Bhavesh: so, without the xserver-xorg package, the gui wont start |
| 15:37.52 | zinx | rohan: "essential" packages in debian are packages that *must* be installed |
| 15:37.56 | rohan | zinx: ah, yes, i guessed .. the debian package priority right :) |
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| 15:38.00 | zinx | rohan: yeah |
| 15:38.04 | rohan | ok, my bad :D |
| 15:38.04 | igraltist | hi |
| 15:38.13 | iLLucionist | hi |
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| 15:38.17 | Bhavesh | rohan: nope.. by the way i just upgraded from etch to sid as we speak and xserver-xorg installed fine |
| 15:38.19 | zinx | rohan: but yes, xserver-xorg is needed for X |
| 15:38.20 | igraltist | when i start the mysql it show this in the log |
| 15:38.21 | Bushmills | hoarycripple: kernel panic, you;re sure? not a core dump, seg fault or such? |
| 15:38.22 | igraltist | /usr/bin/mysql_upgrade: unknown variable 'host=localhost' |
| 15:38.32 | zinx | rohan: if it's broken, you'll want to temporarily hold it until it's fixed |
| 15:38.44 | igraltist | this variable is in /etc/mysql/debian.cf |
| 15:38.46 | rohan | the version "Version: 1:7.1.0-1" is b0rken, then |
| 15:38.48 | rohan | :-S |
| 15:39.01 | rohan | Bhavesh: can you host the .deb you have, so that i can re-confirm ? :) |
| 15:39.01 | Bhavesh | rohan: did you upgrade from another version? i just typed aptitude distupgrade |
| 15:39.15 | Bhavesh | lemme see which version it installed |
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| 15:39.23 | rohan | Bhavesh: this is a new fresh install using etch snapshot installer |
| 15:40.24 | Bhavesh | hmm in my case i had an old installer and i upgraded to testing and now i upgraded to sid |
| 15:41.08 | rohan | hmm.. ok.. thanks for helping Bhavesh :) |
| 15:41.10 | rohan | afk |
| 15:42.20 | Bhavesh | got this ii xserver-xorg 7.1.0-1 the X.Org X server |
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| 15:42.39 | eugene | is there a mod_proxy deb for apache-1.3.x? |
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| 15:42.43 | Bhavesh | sorry took me a few mins to login to the machine that i am sitting next to :) |
| 15:45.06 | dstar | cd #apache |
| 15:45.16 | Bhavesh | dstar: try /join #apache |
| 15:45.36 | dstar | Bhavesh: heh |
| 15:45.55 | Bhavesh | :) |
| 15:46.13 | Bhavesh | hmm when i did apt-get -u dist-upgrade it installed inetd |
| 15:46.19 | Bhavesh | i didn't think i had that package installed before |
| 15:46.56 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: that's what dist-upgrade does. |
| 15:46.59 | th0ger | Hi - With a datatable i need to pick out some data. Say, 1st entry in 1st line, 5th entry in 2 line, skip 3 lines, and then repeat it all. Is awk the tool for this? |
| 15:47.17 | th0ger | Or does awk handle all lines in the same way? |
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| 15:47.24 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: fills in missing packages |
| 15:47.42 | Bhavesh | and brings up the installation to a known level? |
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| 15:48.16 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: no, but installs even somw new packages that replace old versions of existing ones. |
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| 15:49.07 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: your second line is mostly true. |
| 15:49.23 | Bhavesh | i should learn more about debian since i been using it for a few years |
| 15:49.40 | Bhavesh | which version of kde is in sid? still 3.5? |
| 15:50.37 | jelly-home | 3.5.4, yes. |
| 15:51.02 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: thank you |
| 15:51.40 | Bhavesh | now only if i can fix why Mplayer compile crashes out |
| 15:52.40 | Bhavesh | well lots of warning but no crashes |
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| 15:55.56 | th0ger | During apt-get upgrade, a lib has been kept back. I cannot remove or reinstall it, since kdebase depends on it. How can i resolve this? |
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| 15:56.31 | azeem | th0ger: try apt-get install <lib> |
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| 15:57.51 | th0ger | azeem: it worked. but the lib was already installed, so i dont understand |
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| 15:58.52 | azeem | th0ger: yes, but there was a newer version available |
| 15:59.06 | azeem | which couldn't upgraded without installing or removing other packages |
| 15:59.13 | azeem | so it got held back by apt-get upgrade |
| 15:59.52 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: you do know there are unoff. packages for mplayer available, right? |
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| 16:00.13 | th0ger | azeem: I see. I installed another lib, true. Thanks |
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| 16:01.20 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: yes i have that in my sources file but it gave me error about unable to stat the file |
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| 16:01.50 | Bhavesh | Err ftp://ftp.nerim.net sid/main Packages Unable to fetch file, server said 'Can't open /debian-marillat/dists/sid/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz: No such file or directory ' [IP: 62.4.17.14 21] |
| 16:01.54 | Bhavesh | sory |
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| 16:02.12 | intruder | Bhavesh: try apt-get update maybe |
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| 16:03.52 | Bhavesh | tried.. did not work |
| 16:03.53 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: what, this: deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main |
| 16:04.08 | Bhavesh | let me try that.. be back in a few |
| 16:04.10 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: thank you |
| 16:04.49 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: s/etch/sid/ if you use sid, of course |
| 16:05.02 | jelly-home | !marillat |
| 16:05.02 | dpkg | well, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 16:05.16 | Bhavesh | jelly-home: that's where i got that info from |
| 16:05.29 | JB[away] | Hey Guys, i hope you have not the same Bug on Apache2.0.55 as Ubuntu see here -> https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/62820 |
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| 16:06.56 | jelly-home | JB[away]: what's so bad about it? |
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| 16:11.22 | jelly-home | Bhavesh: strange, the factoids have been updated some time ago. |
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| 16:12.47 | Bhavesh | now i got different error message.. i know how to fix that .. it's msg about signature could not be verified |
| 16:12.50 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 16:12.53 | Bhavesh | afk |
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| 16:24.14 | vin` | what options are available for video screen capture? no search-fu today. |
| 16:24.31 | azeem | byzanz/istambul |
| 16:25.26 | vin` | azeem: saw that, but it says only gif. |
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| 16:26.06 | porkpie | Hi guy's I am currently tyying to install the latest version of ubuntu 6.0.1 TLS ....I am trying to install it on a Dell power edge 1950 running PERC 5/i, Integrated Controller Card. I am getting an error when trying to boot 'grub is loading please wait error 21 ? I know this unbuntu but it's debian based. Can anyone help please |
| 16:26.33 | azeem | porkpie: please ask in #ubuntu |
| 16:26.34 | sepski | !debian based |
| 16:26.34 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 16:27.11 | porkpie | dpkg:thanks ..... |
| 16:27.12 | dpkg | de nada, porkpie |
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| 16:27.38 | iLLucionist | who wants cookie? |
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| 16:28.29 | techrush | got etch working on my powerbook flawlessly |
| 16:28.30 | techrush | woo |
| 16:28.41 | iLLucionist | You still got an powerbook? |
| 16:28.48 | techrush | anyone know how to emulate a right click with the one button mouse ? |
| 16:29.01 | techrush | yes i still have a powerbook, why wouldnt i ? |
| 16:29.05 | techrush | its a great laptop |
| 16:29.15 | iLLucionist | coz its outdated? ;) |
| 16:29.18 | iLLucionist | No, joking sorry |
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| 16:29.26 | iLLucionist | i thought you could use xkeymodmap for that |
| 16:29.34 | techrush | ill look into it thanks |
| 16:29.46 | amphi | techrush: there are a couple of ways IIRC - have a look at linux-laptop.net - if there's no powerbook info, I expect it works the same as for an ibook; I found a method for 3-button emu |
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| 16:30.02 | techrush | cheers |
| 16:30.36 | amphi | techrush: something in /proc IIRC; sorry to be vague, but it's been a while since I installed sarge on an ibook for someone |
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| 16:34.52 | novata_peleona | whats extension is that which lets you go to last visited tab using control bab? |
| 16:34.58 | novata_peleona | you know? |
| 16:37.01 | iLLucionist | which browser? |
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| 16:37.36 | novata_peleona | firefox |
| 16:37.53 | novata_peleona | mozilla firefox iLLucionist |
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| 16:46.19 | lehel | hello |
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| 16:46.49 | lehel | do i connect via ssh to another centOS with public key like this?: [ssh -o PreferredAuthentications=publickey server.example.org, < right?] |
| 16:47.25 | azeem | ssh tries publickey first anyway AFAIK |
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| 16:50.17 | lehel | azeem: where does searches for the pkey? |
| 16:50.41 | dansushi18 | what is the key combonation that you press to get to... i forget what it is called, but it is the equivelent of task manager on windows. Does anyone know? |
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| 16:51.13 | azeem | lehel: the private key is in ~/.ssh/id_dsa, the public key should be in ~/.ssh/authorized_keys on the remote box |
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| 16:53.57 | Ebru_Labadon | techrush> anyone know how to emulate a right click with the one button mouse ? <===alt - click afaik (or the mac-version of alt) but I never used a 1-button mouse so I never tried that myself |
| 16:54.04 | Ebru_Labadon | and I think that would work on mac-os only (based on alt-click not being = rightclick on any OS I tried * never run mac) |
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| 16:54.26 | techrush | in OS X its done with ctrl-click |
| 16:54.38 | techrush | this doesnt work in gnome on etch |
| 16:54.59 | techrush | and i assume other DEs and distros unless i configure it |
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| 16:56.14 | lehel | azeem: the connection is made with the private key, right? i can specify that private key though, not neccessary should be in ~/.ssh/id_dsa, correct? - authorized_keys is set, |
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| 17:01.31 | EvilSporkMan | how do i do an apt-get upgrade but omit one of the packages? (trying to dodge that grave apt bug in testing) |
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| 17:02.26 | CAiRO | how can i sort the output of "du" so i can see easily which directories are the biggest? i'm using "du -x -h --max-depth 1" |
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| 17:03.03 | geordie | CAiRO: du --max-depth 1:sort -n |
| 17:03.23 | geordie | i mean |sort -n |
| 17:03.23 | xingu | geordie: probably "-rn" too |
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| 17:04.10 | CAiRO | geordie: but the problem is then the "-h" of du, since it prints sizes as "human readable values.." like 2M or 2G while 2G is much bigger than 2M |
| 17:05.00 | geordie | try get used to reading long numbers i guess |
| 17:05.38 | xingu | sorting imprecise datum sounds like a quick route to hades |
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| 17:11.47 | iLLucionist | D'OH |
| 17:12.11 | andreiutz | how can i install libpng ? |
| 17:13.09 | andreiutz | how can i install libpng ? E: Couldn't find package libpng |
| 17:14.13 | iLLucionist | apt-cache search libpng |
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| 17:15.48 | andreiutz | iLLucionist, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/43v5f766.html what do i do now ? |
| 17:15.56 | Pegger | i am trying to get openvpn working and if you use the username/password set up you can have clients have zero certs/keys correct? |
| 17:16.17 | ntr | Why do I get the error message "could not open default font 'fixed'" when trying to start X? I just ran dist-upgrade (unstable) |
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| 17:17.17 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: i just installed libpng |
| 17:17.36 | Bhavesh | which version of debian do you use? stable/testing/unstable? |
| 17:17.41 | Bhavesh | libpng2-dev |
| 17:18.00 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, stable |
| 17:18.13 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: try apt-get install libpng2-dev |
| 17:18.21 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: try apt-get install libpng2 |
| 17:18.25 | Bhavesh | depending in which lib do you need |
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| 17:18.43 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, i need libpng for installing mplayer |
| 17:18.50 | CyberTop | hi all |
| 17:19.17 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: funny that's why i am installing libpng :) |
| 17:19.19 | CyberTop | there are any person to speak english? |
| 17:19.20 | Bhavesh | try the -dev one |
| 17:19.28 | CyberTop | there are any person to speak italy |
| 17:19.28 | Bhavesh | CyberTop: nope i don't speak english at all |
| 17:19.41 | Bhavesh | just type english |
| 17:19.50 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: i just finished installing mplayer.. |
| 17:20.11 | Bhavesh | on unstable |
| 17:20.14 | CyberTop | i heve the problem with installetion debian |
| 17:20.34 | tralala | CyberTop: did you read the install guide? |
| 17:20.35 | tralala | !it |
| 17:20.35 | dpkg | per aiuto in lingua italiana, provi il canale #debian-it sulla rete irc.freenode.net (non irc.debian.org). C'è anche il canale #linux-it là. |
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| 17:21.13 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: let me know if i can help |
| 17:21.25 | CyberTop | yes but the installetion don't search cdrom |
| 17:22.20 | CyberTop | why? |
| 17:22.21 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/Fx75Pk54.html |
| 17:22.29 | tralala | CyberTop: you mean it doesn't find the cdrom? |
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| 17:22.43 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, libpng-dev it worked |
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| 17:22.55 | CyberTop | yes |
| 17:23.10 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: that's what you need.. whenever it asks for something (mplayer) use the -dev package |
| 17:23.15 | tralala | CyberTop: what kind of computer do you have? |
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| 17:23.55 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, thank you very much |
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| 17:24.00 | CyberTop | i have the ide cdrom and hard disk sata i 'm install debian testing |
| 17:24.22 | IamEthos_ | does anyone know how I can set up X to treat CTRL+Click or Apple+Click as a right click. I have an Apple single button mouse... |
| 17:24.43 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: you are welcome.. i have installed mplayer many times.. make sure you download all the codecs and put them somewhere like /usr/local/lib/codes and run configure with --with-codecsdir=/usr/local/lib/codec |
| 17:25.07 | tralala | CyberTop: did you try with debian sarge first? |
| 17:25.32 | CyberTop | i don't understend |
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| 17:26.05 | tralala | CyberTop: why are you installing testing? Try to install stable. |
| 17:26.32 | amphi | IamEthos_: perhaps with xmodmap? |
| 17:26.34 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, i just did : ./configure --enable-gui and after many lines i got : Error: X11 support required for GUI compilation |
| 17:26.49 | IamEthos_ | xmodmap |
| 17:26.52 | IamEthos_ | ? |
| 17:27.00 | tralala | andreiutz: install xlibs-dev |
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| 17:27.20 | andreiutz | tralala, thanks |
| 17:27.40 | CyberTop | because the stable version don't installing |
| 17:28.34 | CHodapp | vin`, does this work an AMD64? |
| 17:28.50 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: i have never enabled gui for it.. let me see what you need |
| 17:28.54 | CHodapp | I probably just need to upgrade to Xorg 7.1, Aiglx is built-in, isn't it? |
| 17:29.02 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: you can also download/install pre-built mplayer |
| 17:29.10 | Bhavesh | !tell andreiutz about debian-multimedia |
| 17:29.13 | vin` | CHodapp: no idea, works great here with i386/i915 |
| 17:29.21 | amphi | IamEthos_: otherwise there's some key-combo hack for button 2 and 3 clicks; you'll find it in at least one of the ibook pages on linux-laptop.net |
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| 17:30.13 | xingu | someone needs to tell dpkg about one button mice if it hasn't been already |
| 17:30.20 | CHodapp | vin`, built-in Aiglx to Xorg 7.1 or what? |
| 17:30.23 | vin` | CHodapp: yes, aiglx is built-in with 7.1. |
| 17:30.26 | xingu | I've seen at least three folk ask about it today and two yesterday |
| 17:30.32 | nvz | what that they are not effective as doorstops |
| 17:30.59 | pearl | dpkg learn how to setup a one button mice |
| 17:30.59 | nvz | might be able to lasso a chicken with a one button mouse |
| 17:31.00 | pearl | =))) |
| 17:31.06 | nvz | not sure why you'd want to though |
| 17:31.32 | nvz | yeah that mouse is broken dictionary++ |
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| 17:34.07 | IamEthos_ | xmodmap |
| 17:34.10 | IamEthos_ | crap |
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| 17:36.21 | IamEthos_ | how do determine which keycode is the apple key? |
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| 17:37.51 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 17:37.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 17:37.56 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: in x? using xev |
| 17:38.08 | IamEthos_ | tarzeau: just found it, thanks though |
| 17:40.10 | IamEthos_ | tarzeau: is there another name for it? |
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| 17:40.30 | IamEthos_ | the only thing that matches in debian's repository is a game called xevil |
| 17:40.41 | crazy_penguin | Good night everyone! |
| 17:41.43 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: the program is called xev |
| 17:42.23 | IamEthos_ | tarzeau: I know |
| 17:42.28 | Bhavesh | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:42.33 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: what's the problem then? |
| 17:42.36 | IamEthos_ | but it's not in debian's repository it seems |
| 17:42.41 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: you don't know in which package it is? |
| 17:42.44 | amphi | IamEthos_: it'll be installed - it's part of X |
| 17:42.46 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: of course it is. |
| 17:42.53 | IamEthos_ | amphi, really? |
| 17:43.01 | IamEthos_ | I didn't realize that |
| 17:43.22 | amphi | IamEthos_: it's in xbase-clients |
| 17:43.24 | IamEthos_ | the page I found online said "Use xev to find the keycodes. Of course, you'll have to install it first." |
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| 17:44.13 | sts | hello folks |
| 17:44.16 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, i'm not sure i understand about marillat but i'm searching |
| 17:44.27 | sts | does anyone know a good debian/rails tutorial? |
| 17:44.39 | LunarCrisis | IamEthos_, the debian package website is very useful for figuring out what package contains a given file |
| 17:44.40 | tarzeau | sts: rails? |
| 17:44.53 | sts | tarzeau: ruby on rails. |
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| 17:45.11 | IamEthos_ | LunarCrisis: I just did a search for xev there and only xevil came up |
| 17:45.20 | tarzeau | sts: and what about debian on rails? |
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| 17:45.47 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: edit your sources.list file and add the line like this "deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ sid main" |
| 17:45.49 | IamEthos_ | anyway, now that I've found that my apple-key is 115, and I've done xmodmap -e "keycode 115 = Pointer_Button3" |
| 17:45.53 | IamEthos_ | why doesn't it work... |
| 17:45.55 | Bhavesh | replace sid with 'stable' |
| 17:45.55 | LunarCrisis | IamEthos_, did you do a file search? http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=xev&searchmode=searchfiles&case=insensitive&version=testing&arch=i386 |
| 17:45.56 | sts | no! ruby on rails with debian... |
| 17:46.08 | IamEthos_ | LunarCrisis: no, I assumed it was a package |
| 17:46.11 | LunarCrisis | ah, ok |
| 17:46.32 | IamEthos_ | but why wouldn't my xmodmap line be working/ |
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| 17:47.06 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, it's ok ti do that if i have stable ? |
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| 17:47.39 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: i think you should be fine. so add the line 'deb http://debian-multimedia.org/ stable main' |
| 17:47.46 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: and type apt-get update |
| 17:47.52 | Bhavesh | to update the source |
| 17:48.43 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: and after that you should be able to do apt-get install mplayer |
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| 17:51.58 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: good luck.. i will be back in an hour.. ifyou need help just ask someone will help you |
| 17:52.02 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, i did that it's geting the sources |
| 17:52.09 | IamEthos_ | okay, so xmodmap isn't working at all |
| 17:52.12 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, thank you again |
| 17:52.14 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: it may automatically update/compile the problem |
| 17:52.21 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: it may automatically update/compile the program i mean |
| 17:52.32 | IamEthos_ | or possibly it is, but Pointer_Button3 isn't doing anything |
| 17:52.32 | lunaphyte | what is the difference between ia64 and amd64? |
| 17:52.38 | Bhavesh | andreiutz: you are welcome, you can of course compile the program yourself, it is not too difficult and it is a good learning experience |
| 17:52.53 | andreiutz | Bhavesh, I'm realy grateful . see you soon |
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| 17:54.06 | dx_ | hi. man says that i haven't manual entry for malloc and other functions. which package name should I install to have such man-pages? |
| 17:54.09 | Gathond | lunaphyte 2 different architectures, ia64 is itanium, not x86 |
| 17:54.17 | xingu | dx_: manpages-dev |
| 17:54.23 | dx_ | xingu, thanks. |
| 17:54.23 | lunaphyte | ah.. so for something like an opteron, i want amd64, not ia-64? |
| 17:54.41 | Gathond | lunaphyte: you only want ia64 for itanium CPU's |
| 17:54.47 | xingu | lunaphyte: if you had one of the few shipped itanics, you'd know it. |
| 17:54.53 | lunaphyte | ok :) |
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| 17:55.40 | lunaphyte | for an opteron, must i use the amd64 port, or can i install the traditional i386 version? |
| 17:56.21 | h3sp4wn | use either |
| 17:56.35 | lunaphyte | no? |
| 17:57.03 | h3sp4wn | opteron can use either i386 or amd64 |
| 17:57.49 | Gathond | lunaphyte: unless you have 4GB or more of memory either should work fine I think |
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| 17:58.09 | IamEthos_ | so does anyone have any clue why Pointer_Button3 would not be working as a right-click |
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| 17:58.46 | lunaphyte | oops. for some reason, i read 'use neither'. :) |
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| 17:59.32 | CyberTop | the installer of debian don't find cdrom why????? |
| 17:59.56 | lunaphyte | would using amd64 impose limitations on available packages? could i use non-amd64 packages on a system that was running amd64? |
| 18:00.10 | xingu | lunaphyte: this is covered in the amd64 installation howto |
| 18:00.31 | lunaphyte | ah. thanks |
| 18:00.35 | CyberTop | what is pcmcia resource range options?? |
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| 18:00.53 | xingu | lunaphyte: until multiarch is a happening thing, you'd need a chroot for i386 if your userland was amd64, and vice versa |
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| 18:01.20 | eagle1 | hi there |
| 18:01.25 | eagle1 | i've made a big mistake on my sarge 3.1 (is a server in housing (sic!) |
| 18:01.30 | eagle1 | i've putted a testing apt source in sources file |
| 18:01.39 | eagle1 | and i've done an upgrade of libc6 |
| 18:01.41 | fireba11_grr | O.o |
| 18:01.48 | eagle1 | i know |
| 18:01.48 | amphi | oops ;) |
| 18:01.51 | eagle1 | i'm stupid |
| 18:01.58 | eagle1 | it was an error |
| 18:02.04 | eagle1 | now i've 2 version of libc6 and i need to remove just one |
| 18:02.06 | fireba11_grr | eagle1: anything else that got upgraded? |
| 18:02.10 | eagle1 | Version: 2.3.6.ds1-4 |
| 18:02.20 | CyberTop | help |
| 18:02.21 | eagle1 | Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4 |
| 18:02.26 | eagle1 | i need the second |
| 18:02.29 | IamEthos_ | where is startup configuration stuff located at? |
| 18:02.39 | eagle1 | fireba11_grr, i think just locales |
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| 18:02.40 | nvz | IamEthos_: /etc/init.d/ |
| 18:02.40 | fireba11_grr | eagle1: then just remove the unwanted version |
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| 18:03.12 | eagle1 | fireba11_grr, i dont know why, but aptitude i remove the 2.3.6 version will remove an half of the binary |
| 18:03.12 | blackmanheartiez | 14:02:14] * reon (n=reon@dsl-145-50-47.telkomadsl.co.za) Quit ("Leaving") |
| 18:03.12 | blackmanheartiez | [14:02:20] <sureshot> someone kick him |
| 18:03.12 | blackmanheartiez | [14:02:25] <DoubleT> hi all |
| 18:03.12 | blackmanheartiez | [14:02:32] <blackmanheartiez> I COME HERE TO CELEBRATE THE DEATH OF LILO (AKA ROB LEVIN AKA JEW) AND TO INVITE YOU ALL TO WWW.GNAA.US OR /SERVER -m IRC.GNAA.US -j #GNAA . On a side note i need lilo's wyfe sellfone in order to schedule an anal fest meeting with that fucking hooker and hes son. I WANT TO RAPE BOTH. IM REALLY ENJOYING LILO'S DEATH AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHA |
| 18:03.12 | *** kick/#debian [blackmanheartiez!n=debhelpe@unaffiliated/debhelper] by debhelper (use the paster bot or #flood) |
| 18:03.15 | eagle1 | of the system |
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| 18:03.18 | xingu | CyberTop: this question could get complex quickly; what is your hardware? |
| 18:03.31 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:03.37 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:03.47 | CyberTop | i have a dual core and hard disk sata with eide cdrom |
| 18:04.01 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:04.02 | nefertum | it's possible to get xgl packages in any experimental mirror? |
| 18:04.17 | simonrvn | @ops blackmanheartiez |
| 18:04.18 | IamEthos_ | can someone kick him? |
| 18:04.19 | ravenbird | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, greycat, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: simonrvn complains about: blackmanheartiez |
| 18:04.24 | eagle1 | fireba11_grr, http://rafb.net/paste/results/tElmce68.html+ |
| 18:04.29 | eagle1 | sorry http://rafb.net/paste/results/tElmce68.html |
| 18:04.31 | xingu | CyberTop: which debian release are you trying to install? |
| 18:04.44 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:05.05 | CyberTop | i proved to install 3.1 and 3.3 and testing |
| 18:05.12 | zinx | wow, sunday already |
| 18:05.16 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:05.21 | craigevil | someone plls kb ^ |
| 18:05.25 | zinx | !ops yeah. |
| 18:05.26 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: zinx complains about: yeah. |
| 18:05.33 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:06.11 | craigevil | woot i luv the ignore option Konversation has |
| 18:06.11 | eagle1 | blackmanheartiez!*@* added to ignore list. |
| 18:06.12 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:06.19 | eagle1 | easy |
| 18:06.27 | eagle1 | so anyone can help a poor boy? |
| 18:06.41 | eagle1 | this server is in housing at isp.. i need it like my heart |
| 18:06.45 | xingu | CyberTop: what does "dmesg | fgrep hda" say in the installation environment? |
| 18:06.49 | IamEthos_ | hmm, does /ignore work in irssi? |
| 18:06.50 | lunaphyte | how mature is the amd64 port considered? why is it still called a port rather than being just another architecture listed with the rest of the installers? |
| 18:06.58 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.01 | zinx | IamEthos_: it works in almost every client |
| 18:07.03 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.06 | simonrvn | IamEthos_: yes, use -replies works even better |
| 18:07.11 | craigevil | eagle1> why are you trying to remove libc6 |
| 18:07.16 | xingu | CyberTop: ie, the first question is whether your IDE controller and CDROM hardware are in fact being detected by debian-installer |
| 18:07.21 | zinx | IamEthos: one of those things that's been around since the very very early days |
| 18:07.22 | IamEthos_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.26 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:07.26 | eagle1 | craigevil, i've putted a testing apt source in sources.list |
| 18:07.29 | simonrvn | /help ignore |
| 18:07.33 | xingu | CyberTop: or more correctly, the kernel it comes with. |
| 18:07.39 | eagle1 | and i've upgraded to testing libc6 |
| 18:07.47 | IamEthos_ | zinx: since there have been assholes on IRC eh? so forever? |
| 18:07.49 | eagle1 | craigevil, but it was an error |
| 18:07.56 | zinx | IamEthos: Yep, pretty much. |
| 18:08.05 | zamuro | LOL... Who is this loser? |
| 18:08.06 | zamuro | hahaha |
| 18:08.10 | craigevil | eagle1> Try using Deborphan then do apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:08.12 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.20 | eagle1 | and now i've 2 version of libc6 but i need just one. if i remove the new aptitude will unistall all my binaries |
| 18:08.28 | eagle1 | i'll try deborphan |
| 18:08.30 | eagle1 | :) |
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| 18:08.43 | craigevil | unless it is causing problems its not normally an issue |
| 18:08.48 | blackmanheartiez | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:08.57 | CyberTop | the problem is that the installer not find cdrom hardware |
| 18:09.16 | xingu | CyberTop: does it find the ide controller it is attached to? |
| 18:09.18 | Gecko | Would someone k-line that blackmanheartiez |
| 18:09.20 | IamEthos_ | so, any one come up with any insight on my right mouse button problem? |
| 18:09.34 | craigevil | Gecko just ignore him |
| 18:09.36 | CyberTop | yes |
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| 18:10.16 | eagle1 | craigevil, deborphan -a? |
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| 18:12.39 | xingu | CyberTop: hrm, this is pretty basic stuff, not a lot can go wrong when it comes to eide cdroms; are "ide_cd" and "cdrom" both loaded in lsmod? |
| 18:13.04 | xingu | CyberTop: and I take it that you are in fact using the cdrom install images and not the netboot ones |
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| 18:14.32 | CyberTop | yes i have using the cdrom install images |
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| 18:16.37 | eagle1 | craigevil, i've removed the orphans pkg but nothing change. i've remove the old libc6 a lot of base pkgs will be removed, if i remove the newer is equal |
| 18:16.40 | Gecko | Does anyone know if it is possible to configure linux for multiple gateways based on source adress and only one ethernet adapter (eth0 and eth0:1) with iproute2? |
| 18:16.44 | IamEthos_ | anyone? |
| 18:16.48 | xingu | CyberTop: hate to say it but if ide_cd and cdrom modules are loaded, and, the ATA controller itself has been found and reported in dmesg, /proc/ide then you will probably need to think about using the business card install image and doing a network based install |
| 18:16.52 | dansushi | what is the key combonation for the debian equivelent of task manager? |
| 18:16.57 | craigevil | eagle1: try using orphaner it lists the packages and lets you choose |
| 18:17.03 | xingu | CyberTop: because something is seriously wrong there. |
| 18:17.13 | eagle1 | orphaner |
| 18:17.14 | eagle1 | k |
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| 18:17.35 | craigevil | dansushi: in kde or gnome? Kde is ctrl+esc |
| 18:17.55 | eagle1 | craigevil, orphaner dont find anything |
| 18:18.01 | dansushi | kde |
| 18:18.01 | dansushi | thanks |
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| 18:18.11 | CyberTop | what I must make? |
| 18:18.28 | xingu | Gecko: "source based route selection", yes, there's a somewhat dated howto on it from a dim and dusty memory |
| 18:18.37 | craigevil | eagle1: Try doing apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 18:18.43 | eagle1 | already done |
| 18:18.46 | eagle1 | no pkg |
| 18:18.49 | eagle1 | to upgrade |
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| 18:19.04 | craigevil | eagle1: although if its not causing any problems I wouldnt worry about it |
| 18:19.11 | Gecko | xingu: hmm, do you know where it is? |
| 18:19.15 | eagle1 | craigevil, w8 |
| 18:19.21 | eagle1 | now is different |
| 18:19.31 | eagle1 | but apt-get will remove an half of the system :\ |
| 18:19.39 | eagle1 | craigevil, wanna see in nopaste? |
| 18:19.42 | xingu | Gecko: http://lartc.org/howto/lartc.rpdb.html#LARTC.RPDB.SIMPLE |
| 18:20.26 | craigevil | eagle1: upgrading from Sarge to Testing can tend to create those type of problems |
| 18:20.42 | xingu | Gecko: please do remember that the further you stray from letting your interior gateway protocol select the best path, the more fragile your overall architecture will be |
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| 18:20.54 | xingu | Gecko: more complex != better when it comes to area design. |
| 18:21.09 | craigevil | eagle1: you might just be better off installing Testing and saving yourself the headches |
| 18:21.09 | Gecko | xingu: I know, it's only for a testing period where we actually have two dmz networks... |
| 18:21.16 | eagle1 | craigevil, i'm not upgrading. i've done just an error |
| 18:21.33 | xingu | Gecko: you might need to recompile your kernel with advanced routing options set |
| 18:21.34 | eagle1 | the server is in housing |
| 18:21.54 | eagle1 | and i've done just a unique aptitude upgrade that have fucked up my libc |
| 18:21.59 | eagle1 | but i'll stay on sarge |
| 18:22.22 | eagle1 | headches is already here : |
| 18:22.22 | eagle1 | :\ |
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| 18:23.31 | insmod | i don't have windows so no way to test but how would i compile with gcc to a file.exe ? |
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| 18:24.23 | ntr | Is xfonts-base broken? Can't find the "fixed" font in unstable nor stable |
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| 18:26.44 | DaBlade | Is it possible to perform data recovery on a USB stick? |
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| 18:27.00 | DaBlade | After using it on a Windows computer, all the files are totally destroyed. Look: http://xs107.xs.to/xs107/06390/screenshot2.jpg |
| 18:27.05 | CHodapp | DaBlade, any data recovery you can do on a SCSI disk might work |
| 18:27.10 | nvz | does a capacitor hold a charge |
| 18:27.13 | nvz | heh |
| 18:27.16 | CHodapp | yes |
| 18:27.24 | zinx | DaBlade: recovery as in raw poking of the filesystem, yes |
| 18:27.26 | DaBlade | CHodapp: How do I go about doing it? |
| 18:27.37 | DaBlade | zinx: Good, how do I do so? |
| 18:27.38 | zinx | DaBlade: recovery as in analyzing past values of the flash... Not a chance. |
| 18:27.43 | CHodapp | DaBlade, fsck, partition discovery, I honestly don't know... |
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| 18:28.00 | zinx | DaBlade: dd the data off somewhere, use standard FATxx recovery tools |
| 18:28.10 | CHodapp | zinx, so flash is a good place for sensitive material because it's easily destroyed with no recovery |
| 18:28.12 | CHodapp | ...? |
| 18:28.37 | zinx | CHodapp: sure? |
| 18:28.38 | wols_ | DaBlade: tjhre are date recovery tools for flash devices on windows |
| 18:28.48 | wols_ | they need to be capable of dealting with FATx |
| 18:28.54 | DaBlade | wols_: Can they fix this? http://xs107.xs.to/xs107/06390/screenshot2.jpg |
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| 18:29.03 | CHodapp | there are also some for DOS, and it might be much easier to pass a raw device there |
| 18:29.17 | wols_ | DaBlade: ask them not me. maybe. first order of the day is to make a FULL backup with dd thoi |
| 18:29.20 | zinx | CHodapp: however there's probably extra sectors on modern flash drives like there are on hard drives |
| 18:29.20 | wols_ | *tho |
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| 18:29.38 | DaBlade | wols_: Ok, how do I do that? (I haven't used dd before) |
| 18:29.42 | wols_ | zinx: this is not a hw problem. this is a corrupted filesystem |
| 18:29.48 | zinx | CHodapp: but they may only use wear-levelling, there's really no way to know except to make them yourself |
| 18:29.49 | wols_ | man dd |
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| 18:29.58 | zinx | wols_: uhm, read what i said |
| 18:30.13 | xingu | DaBlade: as wols_ says, step one is image copy it; step two might be to copy the image, then run fsck.msdos from dosfstools on the second generation copy |
| 18:30.29 | DaBlade | ok |
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| 18:30.43 | wols_ | unreal_: if it were wear and tear correctiopn hw couldn't properly access it. the physical flash is fine. the logical structure is fscked |
| 18:30.56 | DaBlade | but could anyone please tell me the exact command rather than have me guess or use a man page please? |
| 18:31.27 | wols_ | dd if=/flash_dev ot=outputfile |
| 18:31.32 | DaBlade | Thanks |
| 18:31.34 | wols_ | s/ot/of |
| 18:31.42 | DaBlade | Do I need to do it as root? |
| 18:31.51 | wols_ | *sigh* |
| 18:32.15 | DaBlade | Remember, there's no such thing as a stupid question. :P |
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| 18:32.31 | wols_ | but there are many stupid people? |
| 18:32.41 | xingu | DaBlade: at this point I'd suggest spending thumbing the yellow pages for data recovery specialists if its important |
| 18:32.51 | DaBlade | File-system related things are usually restricted to root. |
| 18:32.59 | DaBlade | xingu: It's not. Just some homework and such. |
| 18:33.13 | xingu | DaBlade: in that case you get to do some legwork too |
| 18:33.30 | xingu | DaBlade: including reading the odd manpage and being responsible for your own outcomes. :) |
| 18:34.20 | xingu | DaBlade: first rule is - never work on the damaged device; second rule is - never work on your last remaining copy of the damaged device |
| 18:34.48 | xingu | DaBlade: stick to that, and play a little; last resort is "strings -a" on the raw image and a whole bunch of octet knitting |
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| 18:35.22 | IamEthos_ | how do I reset a key that i set with xmodmap to the defalt function? |
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| 18:38.17 | DaBlade | dd-ing now |
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| 18:38.51 | andreiutz | where is the source of my kernel ? |
| 18:38.59 | freeone3000 | andreiutz: /usr/src |
| 18:39.09 | tarzeau | freeone3000: it could also just be not there at all |
| 18:39.30 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: you could use setxkbmap to set them all entirely? |
| 18:39.31 | freeone3000 | Well, yeah, in which case you'd have to install (kernel | linux)-source-[kver] |
| 18:39.46 | freeone3000 | Or for things like modules, just teh headers, which are much smaller. |
| 18:39.52 | andreiutz | /usr/src/ is empty |
| 18:39.58 | tarzeau | or even better, get it from www.kernel.org |
| 18:40.01 | freeone3000 | (Unless you're actually compiling the kernel, you probably don't need the source.) |
| 18:40.03 | tarzeau | and use make-kpkg |
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| 18:40.18 | tarzeau | freeone3000: it's useful to look up things too |
| 18:40.28 | dpt | Hello everyone, i have debian 3.2r cd for i3867 or something similar, |
| 18:40.33 | tarzeau | freeone3000: even the Documentation/ part is useful |
| 18:40.35 | IamEthos_ | tarzeau: okay, but how do i make 115 do what it originally did? |
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| 18:40.46 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: i don't know, set it to what it did before |
| 18:40.51 | dpt | i'd liek to know if installation process with that dics has wizards or should be totally console-based intalled? |
| 18:40.57 | IamEthos_ | tarzeau: I don't know what it did before |
| 18:40.59 | freeone3000 | tarzeau: I wouldn't know. Most of the stuff I need is either in the standard c lib or man section 2. |
| 18:41.02 | tarzeau | dpt: etch has a gui installer |
| 18:41.07 | tarzeau | IamEthos_: that's your problem |
| 18:41.12 | freeone3000 | It has ncurses. THat's a value of gui. |
| 18:41.17 | dpt | etch? what's that? |
| 18:41.21 | tarzeau | !etch |
| 18:41.22 | dpkg | i guess etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 18:41.25 | dpt | i have ubuntu, but i'd like to try with debian |
| 18:41.37 | tarzeau | freeone3000: some i needed, isn't in those manual pages |
| 18:41.48 | Braindead | dpt: if a ncurses gui scares you,stay with ubuntu |
| 18:41.52 | tarzeau | freeone3000: especially if you debug stuff and want to look up actual source and error msgs |
| 18:41.59 | tarzeau | freeone3000: as well as some Documentation/ |
| 18:42.07 | freeone3000 | Then again, most of the stuff I do isn't in C. |
| 18:42.13 | freeone3000 | So. Take that as you wish. |
| 18:42.21 | dpt | do you know ubuntu 5.04 installer, it was some sort of console c programmed gui. Old one, like DOS, but easy. Is it something like that? |
| 18:42.39 | dpt | what are in general the steps i'll have to follow or what should i know before i install the OS? |
| 18:42.39 | freeone3000 | That's ncurses. |
| 18:42.48 | tarzeau | dpt: yes |
| 18:42.51 | wols_ | dpt: since you alreasdy have it, why not just try it out? |
| 18:42.55 | tarzeau | dpt: it's more or less the same |
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| 18:43.10 | freeone3000 | dpt: You'll have to know how you want to partition... |
| 18:43.10 | tarzeau | dpt: read carefully what they write on the screen |
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| 18:43.18 | andreiutz | /usr/src/ is empty . i need to install cdemu . this are the instructions : http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/HkGtW672.html |
| 18:43.20 | dpt | i won't have much trouble then |
| 18:43.21 | tarzeau | dpt: if you hang somewhere, consult this place here or the manual of debian |
| 18:43.27 | tarzeau | dpt: yes i think you can do it |
| 18:43.34 | freeone3000 | Which package is /sbin/init in? |
| 18:43.35 | rhys | does anyone want 3 HPPA pizza boxes? |
| 18:43.40 | rhys | a server and 2 workstations? |
| 18:43.44 | tarzeau | freeone3000: tried dpkg -S /sbin/init ? |
| 18:43.50 | wols_ | rhys: are pizzas in them? |
| 18:43.58 | tarzeau | rhys: do you ship to switzerland? |
| 18:44.07 | dpt | but i have one last problem, i burned the ISO but when i reboot it won't get into the cd and jund right into my grub. I have checked the BIOS boot priority and cdrom is at the top of it, it gotta be something wrong with the cd or do i have to do? |
| 18:44.08 | rhys | lol wols_, and tarzeau no. :( |
| 18:44.09 | freeone3000 | tarzeau: No, I was unaware of that. Awesome, thanks. |
| 18:44.19 | tarzeau | rhys: are those 32 or 64bit? |
| 18:44.19 | rhys | it weighs at least 150lbs and im in ohio |
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| 18:44.23 | rhys | 32. |
| 18:44.25 | rhys | they are -old- |
| 18:44.28 | freeone3000 | dpt: Did you burn it as bootable? And have the proper release for your arch? |
| 18:44.35 | freeone3000 | rhys: I do. |
| 18:44.36 | tarzeau | rhys: ok. but they could potentially run OPENSTEP |
| 18:44.42 | tarzeau | rhys: you want openstep? |
| 18:44.43 | rhys | the workstations are 50mhz with 64mb of ram, and the server is 100mhz with 144mb of ram |
| 18:44.44 | wols_ | freeone3000: NOT as bootable |
| 18:44.46 | dpt | i burned it with k3b, where should i make bootable?? |
| 18:44.50 | wols_ | dpt: burn it as simple ISO image |
| 18:44.58 | rhys | tarzeau, originally, the guy who bought them uses NEXTstep |
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| 18:45.08 | tarzeau | rhys: cool, do you have his email address? |
| 18:45.22 | dpt | i have debian-31r2-i386-binary-8.iso |
| 18:45.35 | wols_ | dpt: why binary-8? |
| 18:45.43 | dpt | i burned it with k3b, and the info is right but it won't boot |
| 18:45.51 | wols_ | and wasn't sarge 7 binary CDs? |
| 18:45.59 | rhys | tarzeau, right now the workstations have HPUX on them i think, ive never even booted them up, and the server i installed debian on it |
| 18:46.04 | wols_ | dpt: get the FIRST disc |
| 18:46.10 | rhys | tarzeau, he used to use next step |
| 18:46.16 | rhys | it also has a huge 19 inch monitor |
| 18:46.22 | rhys | i would give you right along with it |
| 18:46.28 | dpt | can you tell me the exact name of an iso i should download? |
| 18:46.40 | dpt | i'm getting on debian.org right now to get the right iso |
| 18:46.44 | wols_ | dpt: the FIRST of that series |
| 18:46.46 | tarzeau | rhys: well i'm overseas. and i've got faster boxes for it... |
| 18:46.49 | tuv | what happened to gdesklets website?? |
| 18:46.57 | rhys | yea. not much use there. :( |
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| 18:47.13 | rhys | i just want to give them to someone. huge monitor, server, workstations...i dont watn to just throw them away. :( |
| 18:47.16 | rhys | they have to be useful for something |
| 18:47.25 | tarzeau | rhys: a local computer mailinglist ? |
| 18:47.29 | wols_ | rhys: wasting lots of electricity |
| 18:47.33 | esters | #flood |
| 18:47.35 | tarzeau | rhys: or some other sell/offer/buy webpage? |
| 18:47.36 | esters | oh wups |
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| 18:47.54 | rhys | wols_, yea. |
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| 18:48.26 | esters | what is this error in apt-get update ? : http://channels.debian.net/paste/3902 |
| 18:48.37 | dpt | would debian-31r3-i386-binary-1.iso be ok? |
| 18:48.42 | jelly-home | rhys: maybe ask at debian-hppa list if anyone wants them and lives nearby |
| 18:48.54 | fer | is there any spanish-speaking channel about debian? |
| 18:48.56 | esters | dpt: for what purposes ? |
| 18:49.05 | DiamonD | Hi guys how are you |
| 18:49.06 | dpkg | DiamonD: you know how it is... |
| 18:49.09 | esters | u could get the daily etch netinstall build |
| 18:49.19 | rhys | jelly-home, that i will do |
| 18:49.20 | rhys | ty |
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| 18:49.28 | dpt | in order to install debian OS fotr 1st time? |
| 18:49.30 | DiamonD | i have a'n question |
| 18:49.31 | DiamonD | :) |
| 18:49.37 | wols_ | !es |
| 18:49.38 | Braindead | strange |
| 18:49.38 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:49.47 | DiamonD | if i get a program with apt-get install |
| 18:49.51 | esters | dpt: have u tried other distros before ? |
| 18:49.52 | DaBlade | Well, fsck.msdos doesn't seem to be helping |
| 18:49.54 | DiamonD | hoe can i configure the program |
| 18:49.55 | wols_ | dpt: yes that one would be OK |
| 18:49.57 | DiamonD | how |
| 18:49.57 | DiamonD | * |
| 18:50.02 | dpt | yeah, ubuntu and mandrake |
| 18:50.09 | dpt | ok, thanks |
| 18:50.13 | wols_ | DiamonD: dpkg-reconfigure <program> or editing config files. depends |
| 18:50.15 | DaBlade | It segfaulted |
| 18:50.19 | Braindead | DiamonD: define "configure" |
| 18:50.26 | wols_ | DiamonD: not everything is configurabe via debconf |
| 18:50.28 | DiamonD | i can find it with which program right |
| 18:50.28 | DiamonD | >? |
| 18:50.44 | Braindead | DiamonD: tell us a *specific* problem |
| 18:50.55 | Braindead | dpkg -L FOO could help,anyway |
| 18:50.55 | dpkg | ii FOO could help,anyway 1.5-14 ultra s3kr1t #debian package |
| 18:50.55 | DiamonD | how to configure |
| 18:51.08 | Braindead | d'oh! |
| 18:51.16 | Braindead | DiamonD: how to configure WHAT? |
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| 18:51.41 | aeronadix | DiamonD, there is nothing to configure. just use it dude. do a man on it |
| 18:52.10 | wols_ | andreiutz: nothing to config? are you sure? |
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| 18:52.24 | DiamonD | if i go to the dir from where which told me where proftpd is in /usr/sbin/proftpd there is a file only one file that with the name proftpd how can i configure it |
| 18:52.24 | andreiutz | wols_, what do you mean ? |
| 18:52.24 | DiamonD | ? |
| 18:52.29 | jelly-home | wols_: darn tab. |
| 18:52.34 | wols_ | aeronadix: sorry |
| 18:52.42 | wols_ | jelly-home: someone should remove the key on my kb :) |
| 18:52.44 | Braindead | DiamonD: so finally we know you're talking about proftp |
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| 18:53.03 | simonrvn | DiamonD: it has a config file... |
| 18:53.06 | wols_ | DiamonD: /etc/proftpd.* there you config it |
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| 18:53.21 | wols_ | DiamonD: what you are looking at in sbin is the executable |
| 18:53.44 | wols_ | DiamonD: are you configuring windows programs by editing the exe file? |
| 18:53.50 | Braindead | DiamonD: anyway /usr/share/doc/FOO/ is your friend,there are always README and README.Debian files to read |
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| 18:54.24 | DiamonD | no i am not |
| 18:54.34 | DiamonD | i have download it with apt-get |
| 18:54.36 | jelly-home | DiamonD: the configuration files are usually in /etc. use dpkg -L package-name to find out if the package has stuff in /etc |
| 18:54.58 | DiamonD | ok |
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| 18:56.50 | DiamonD | ok i find a copple of dirs wheres proftpd in |
| 18:56.53 | BobJenson | hi all .. i am facing this bug - http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=389822 - and the solution seems to be given, but i don't understand it .. can someone please tell me how to 'fix' the bug? |
| 18:56.57 | DiamonD | where can i configure it |
| 18:57.00 | DiamonD | /etc/ |
| 18:57.01 | DiamonD | ? |
| 18:57.22 | Braindead | DiamonD: for the love of god please write every sentence,including the ?,on ONE LINE |
| 18:57.39 | BobJenson | Braindead: lol |
| 18:57.41 | DiamonD | ok sorry |
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| 18:58.32 | Dr-Linux|work | what language is this? >> salah satu yang akan dibahas dalam artikel |
| 18:58.40 | adead | how do you export something? |
| 18:58.56 | wols_ | BobJenson: since you run sid you're supposed to understand it. otherwise: no sid for you |
| 18:58.59 | DiamonD | where are mostly the config files when i am getting a program with apt-get? |
| 18:59.04 | simonrvn | adead: export what? |
| 18:59.12 | BobJenson | wols_: frankly, that was not the answer i was expectiong |
| 18:59.15 | BobJenson | *expection |
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| 18:59.19 | BobJenson | **expecting |
| 18:59.20 | wols_ | BobJenson: sinply edit the config file.it clearly says which one |
| 18:59.21 | adead | simonrvn: like export pico instead of vi |
| 18:59.28 | wols_ | !sid |
| 18:59.28 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
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| 18:59.51 | wols_ | to spell it out again for you: ~Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in |
| 19:00.08 | jelly-home | adead: you might have meant export EDITOR=pico and/or VISUAL=pico ? |
| 19:00.23 | adead | jelly-home: yeah, that's what im talkin about |
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| 19:00.27 | wols_ | BobJenson: so what more do you expect us to do? log on your system and fix the script by adding a few lines for you? |
| 19:00.28 | simonrvn | adead: you mean your EDITOR environment variable? export EDITOR=/usr/bin/nano ; you can also edit the editor alternative: update-alternatives --config editor |
| 19:00.31 | BobJenson | wols_: yes i did read it .. but if i change that config file, will it cause problems the next time i upgrade the package ? |
| 19:00.40 | wols_ | no |
| 19:00.41 | BobJenson | wols_: no, i don't expect that either :P |
| 19:00.44 | BobJenson | ok |
| 19:00.51 | wols_ | you did from what you were asking |
| 19:00.53 | simonrvn | er, yeh, not full path |
| 19:00.54 | Bhav_AFK | back |
| 19:00.55 | adead | jelly-home: what if i want to use gcc3.4, because when i compile something it says im not using 3.4 |
| 19:00.58 | BobJenson | wols_: my bad then :) |
| 19:01.09 | adead | so that's why i want to export gcc3.4 |
| 19:01.11 | num000 | does anyone know of a light (not much resource eating) video rts streaming server software? |
| 19:01.22 | simonrvn | CC=gcc-XX |
| 19:01.24 | wols_ | adead: CC |
| 19:01.25 | jelly-home | adead: what are you compiling, a kernel module? |
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| 19:01.27 | simonrvn | or gccXX |
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| 19:01.39 | wols_ | simonrvn: not all use gcc- ? |
| 19:01.40 | bulio| | what is the best mail agent to install, and is there a guide on how to configure it? |
| 19:01.46 | wols_ | !best |
| 19:01.46 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 19:01.50 | adead | simonrvn: so its: export CC=gcc3.4 |
| 19:01.51 | adead | ? |
| 19:01.53 | simonrvn | wols_: oh i don't remember the binary name ;p |
| 19:02.05 | wols_ | Huahua: generally use exim4 or postfix unless you have a really important reason why not |
| 19:02.10 | simonrvn | gcc-3.4 |
| 19:02.15 | adead | oh yeah |
| 19:02.17 | adead | ill try |
| 19:02.19 | adead | ill be back |
| 19:02.41 | wols_ | bulio|: generally use exim4 or postfix unless you have a really important reason why not |
| 19:02.42 | clownish | hey i always geht an error: aterm: can't load color "#F0EFE7 ", colorID = 17, (29) when i try to make the term transparnet, an some volors look realy ugly (of the transparent background) does any body know this problem? xorg 7 |
| 19:02.49 | jelly-home | who wrote that factoid for best? |
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| 19:02.54 | bulio| | I'm looking for a mail program so I can run a mailserver on my server |
| 19:02.59 | nvz | !factinfo best |
| 19:03.00 | dpkg | best -- last modified at Mon May 8 19:37:57 2006 by mentor!n=matthew@unaffiliated/mentor; it has been requested 24 times, last by wols_, 1m 13s ago. |
| 19:03.06 | wols_ | bulio|: I already answered you there |
| 19:03.12 | jelly-home | mentor++ |
| 19:03.18 | simonrvn | jelly-home: several people |
| 19:03.24 | wols_ | jelly-home: it's a very old factoid |
| 19:03.27 | bulio| | yes, but how would I install & configure it? |
| 19:03.43 | jetscreamer | strange, they always called me bulio |
| 19:03.47 | simonrvn | he must've added the Anyone for tennis! or changed some other thing |
| 19:03.50 | jelly-home | wols_: I bet it's old. Anyone for tennis? |
| 19:03.54 | wols_ | bulio|: that, frankly is a too big question for this channel |
| 19:04.07 | bulio| | wols_: I'm looking for an online guide |
| 19:04.26 | Malagmyr_ | Is there somehwere I can find the different debug classes to use with the log level= line of smb.conf without messing around with the source? I want to log what users open what files. |
| 19:04.30 | Malagmyr_ | which* |
| 19:04.31 | wols_ | bulio|: http://workaround.org/articles/ispmail-sarge/ |
| 19:04.39 | simonrvn | bulio|: there are many, what are you looking for specifically? |
| 19:04.43 | wols_ | bulio|: but this is a "big" setup |
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| 19:05.08 | nvz | Malagmyr_: I thought we were all over this issue before |
| 19:05.12 | freeone3000 | May I ask when cdrecord no longer was cdrecord? |
| 19:05.14 | wols_ | bulio|: as in virtual users or not, mutliple domains or not, what mail sotrage, smarthost or no, etc |
| 19:05.14 | bulio| | I just want to be able to send and recieve mail to a few addresses |
| 19:05.22 | bulio| | such as bulio@bulio.homelinux.net etc. |
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| 19:05.46 | simonrvn | um, try not to do that... good way to get spammed |
| 19:05.59 | wols_ | freeone3000: schily made too many non DFSG compliant demands basically |
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| 19:06.01 | simonrvn | (posting your e-mail in-channel) |
| 19:06.08 | bulio| | it isnt my email yet |
| 19:06.08 | silly_girl22 | i destroyed debian etch on my computer with xgl help |
| 19:06.15 | wols_ | bulio|: but will be |
| 19:06.16 | jetscreamer | i can see that |
| 19:06.22 | bulio| | wols_: good point |
| 19:06.26 | jetscreamer | xgl isn't supported yet |
| 19:06.30 | bulio| | is there a simpler guide than the one you sent me? |
| 19:06.32 | rockstar_ | silly_girl22, That was silly of you. Were you using sid? |
| 19:06.37 | jetscreamer | uh |
| 19:06.42 | silly_girl22 | rockstar_: no, etch |
| 19:06.44 | jetscreamer | ' i destroyed debian etch' |
| 19:06.47 | jelly-home | I just found I still have exim-tls (exim3) installed on my home desktop. Will things break if I upgrade to exim4? |
| 19:06.50 | Malagmyr_ | nvz: that was the log files. I've accepted that the stupid thing logs to one file only. Now I want to control what it logs, a little more managed than just a general log level. The manual gives an example, saying passdb:10 auth:5 something. I need to know all the debug classes I can set separate values for. |
| 19:06.52 | adead | gcc -v says that im using 3.3 even though i got 3.4 installed, how do i uninstall 3.3 and use 3.4 ? |
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| 19:07.00 | adead | dpkg --purge wont do it |
| 19:07.05 | simonrvn | jelly-home: there's a conversion script |
| 19:07.07 | wols_ | jelly-home: depends what you use it for |
| 19:07.16 | wols_ | adead: you don't |
| 19:07.23 | jelly-home | a pretty basic smarthost configuration. |
| 19:07.24 | jetscreamer | adead: i'm not sure but man update-alternatives 'may' help |
| 19:07.28 | freeone3000 | adead: Just set $CC to 3.4 instead of 3.3 |
| 19:07.28 | adead | wols_: what do i do then? |
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| 19:07.30 | wols_ | adead: /usr/bin/gcc is simply a symlink. just change it |
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| 19:07.48 | adead | wols_: how do i do it? |
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| 19:07.54 | wols_ | adead: man ln |
| 19:08.00 | eskiled | after apt-get install linux-headers-*myheaders*, how do i goa bout finishing insatlling the headers/ what should i ln /usr/src/linux to? |
| 19:08.01 | rockstar_ | silly_girl22, Ooh, that's gonna hurt. If wiping and re-installing is an option, do that. |
| 19:08.06 | Braindead | wols_: he might use update-alternatives |
| 19:08.12 | simonrvn | eskiled: you don't |
| 19:08.19 | Braindead | adead: man update-alternatives,then change the cc alternative |
| 19:08.24 | eskiled | simonrvn: i dont need to symlink linux to anything? |
| 19:08.26 | rockstar_ | Otherwise, there are a few things you MIGHT be able to try. I don't think I've seen Xgl run on etch period. |
| 19:08.26 | wols_ | Braindead: does that work outside /etc/alternatives/? |
| 19:08.27 | simonrvn | GCC-ANYTHING IS NOT IN ALTERNATIVES |
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| 19:08.45 | simonrvn | eskiled: you don't need to make the symlink |
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| 19:08.46 | Braindead | cc is in alternatives |
| 19:08.51 | simonrvn | NO IT IS NOT |
| 19:08.53 | wols_ | Braindead: gcc = cc |
| 19:08.56 | silly_girl22 | rockstar_: xgl can run on etch, just look at the guide from googling etch xgl |
| 19:08.56 | wols_ | != |
| 19:09.00 | eskiled | simonrvn: oke thanks |
| 19:09.01 | jelly-home | ... ok, looks like exim4-daemon-light's has found all the necessary things from the old config. Phew. |
| 19:09.09 | Xorm | Sound just died on this box. |
| 19:09.11 | wols_ | silly_girl22: then ask the guide writer to tell you how to uninstall? |
| 19:09.15 | Xorm | And all the fonts are messed up |
| 19:09.26 | wols_ | Xorm: shall we send a wreath to the funeral? |
| 19:09.36 | simonrvn | oh it is. my bad |
| 19:09.38 | Braindead | it's quite pointless to change the gcc symlink to do a single compile if it can be achieved with an export CC=foo |
| 19:09.44 | silly_girl22 | wols_: yes, i am contacting him through email right now |
| 19:09.48 | Xorm | Sure, 'cuz I have no idea what to do except redo the OS |
| 19:09.53 | wols_ | Braindead: only if the makefile honors it... |
| 19:10.14 | Braindead | wols_: still we don't know what adaawhatever is trying to compile |
| 19:10.31 | Braindead | they kinda like to propose puzzles instead of asking questions... |
| 19:10.48 | wols_ | Braindead: not. but I do know that the symlink change works everytime and that debian usually uses the last gcc installed for the symlink. so it always works |
| 19:10.53 | freeone3000 | sg3-utils sohuld be enough for cdrecord, right? |
| 19:10.54 | Dr-Linux|work | what language is this? >> salah satu yang akan dibahas dalam artikel |
| 19:11.16 | adead | i just read all these mans and still don't get it |
| 19:11.16 | amphi | Dr-Linux|work: indonesian? |
| 19:11.18 | Braindead | Dr-Linux|work: why do you suppose we know? I guess it's turkish,anyway |
| 19:11.39 | adead | i just did "export CC=gcc-3.4" |
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| 19:11.56 | wols_ | adead: what are you trying to compile? |
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| 19:12.19 | Braindead | wols_: it's too easy to solve a puzzle like this! we don't need no hints |
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| 19:12.48 | Braindead | let him tell us just where is solution gets stuck,not his problem. it's soooo much funnier |
| 19:12.49 | wols_ | Braindead: I am not solving a puzzle. all I do is satisfying my noisiness |
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| 19:12.53 | nvz | hmm I am obviously hungry.. I read puzzle as pizza |
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| 19:13.11 | adead | wols_: ndiswrapper, and i got this error: /ndiswrapper-1.24/driver/winnt_types.h:128:2: #error "gcc 3.4 or newer should be used for compiling this module" |
| 19:13.11 | adead | In file included from /home/vroque1989/wireless/ndiswrapper-1.24/driver/hal.c:24: |
| 19:13.15 | adead | oopps |
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| 19:13.20 | adead | well yeah |
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| 19:13.24 | wols_ | nvz: rhys gives away 3 pizza boxes from HP. maybe ask him about them |
| 19:13.38 | nvz | heh I am making breakfast.. at 3pm |
| 19:13.59 | simonrvn | oh shit, i gtg... look at the time, i have a meeting in 45 min |
| 19:14.11 | wols_ | adead: I already told you to change the symlink in /usr/bin |
| 19:14.18 | wols_ | you can change it back later if you wish |
| 19:14.33 | wols_ | adead: but I'd first check /proc/version to see what compiler was used for your kernel |
| 19:14.34 | adead | wols_: i don't know how, i just read the man, can you give me an example |
| 19:14.57 | Braindead | adead: why are you taking VANILLA ndiswrapper? there's no 1.24 in debian |
| 19:15.03 | Braindead | do you really need that version? |
| 19:15.06 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:15.15 | nvz | simonrvn: you're gonna miss breakfast :P |
| 19:15.16 | wols_ | Braindead: you do or module won't load |
| 19:15.32 | nvz | I got the hashbrowns frying in the skillet and I am working on biscuts |
| 19:15.39 | simonrvn | i already ate ;p |
| 19:15.42 | adead | Braindead: i downloaded the source, the latest one and trying to compile it |
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| 19:15.52 | wols_ | simonrvn: why are you still here? |
| 19:15.52 | simonrvn | thanks though ;) |
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| 19:15.57 | Braindead | wols_: are you telling me ndiswrapper is broken? |
| 19:16.03 | simonrvn | because i love you so much |
| 19:16.13 | adead | of) (gcc version 3.3.5 (Debian 1:3.3.5-13)) #1 PREEMPT Sun Oct 1 05:20:05 EDT 2006 |
| 19:16.16 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 19:16.23 | wols_ | Braindead: I tell you that you need the gcc the kernel was compiled with if you want to run a module inside it |
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| 19:16.45 | Braindead | wols_: the point being: why isn't he using module-assistant? |
| 19:16.46 | wols_ | adead: compile a new kernel. this time with a new gcc |
| 19:17.09 | simonrvn | that would be the wise thing. m-a was made for this sort of thing |
| 19:17.16 | wols_ | Braindead: why are asking you me? |
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| 19:17.24 | wols_ | simonrvn: wise users? on a sunday? are you mad? |
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| 19:17.35 | jelly-home | adead: if your kernel used 3.3 and your module source requires >= gcc-3.4, you're out of luck. |
| 19:17.36 | corp-mule | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:17.38 | simonrvn | naw, just a bit crazy |
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| 19:17.50 | Braindead | wols_: I got the puzzle solved ;) I wanted you to figure out what kind of mess he's going into so you won't be feeding his craze anymore |
| 19:17.53 | xingu | wols_: how about wyse users, I have a wy50 out back |
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| 19:17.56 | wols_ | simonrvn: good. I feared for you sanity a bit there |
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| 19:18.07 | jelly-home | xingu: what color is it? |
| 19:18.13 | simonrvn | wols_: too late =) |
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| 19:18.50 | adead | wols_: so i can just do: ln /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 |
| 19:18.51 | adead | ? |
| 19:18.57 | wols_ | this is a trange world |
| 19:19.04 | Braindead | adead: thanks for keeping us busy and entertaining us. now install module-assistant and use it |
| 19:19.07 | wols_ | adead: no |
| 19:19.31 | adead | Braindead: m-a is installed |
| 19:19.35 | Braindead | adead: USE it |
| 19:19.36 | wols_ | adead: then use it? |
| 19:19.38 | xingu | jelly: kinda cack yellow, casewise, green phosphor |
| 19:19.43 | pezz | Guys, I'm new to debian. Running etch, and I get a CPU load "hiccup" every three to four seconds, making games difficult and causing momentary freezes in things like streaming video playback. It's annoying. Anyone have any ideas? |
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| 19:19.53 | adead | im new to this |
| 19:19.56 | wols_ | !have an idea |
| 19:19.56 | dpkg | Any fool can know, the point is to understand. - Albert Einstein |
| 19:20.04 | simonrvn | pezz: anything running in cron, look at your syslog |
| 19:20.04 | wols_ | wrong one :( |
| 19:20.05 | xingu | jelly: would've been white originally but it's deplasticised and aged a bit in the sun |
| 19:20.13 | wols_ | !any idea |
| 19:20.14 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a box full of ground beef, a little K-Y jelly, and a handful of three-legged goats. And keep the FBI off my back for the next few minutes! |
| 19:20.16 | pezz | simonrvn: thanks, will do |
| 19:20.41 | jelly-home | simonrvn: heh, your comment reminded me of http://bash.org/?207373 |
| 19:21.09 | Braindead | adead: dunno why,if you're "new",you're rolling your own kernel and messing with vanilla upstream ndiswrapper. for the time being if you wanna get help use debian stock kernels and modules compiled with module-assistant. thanks |
| 19:21.10 | wols_ | adead: when you are new to it, why are you compiling your own kernel? |
| 19:21.21 | simonrvn | jelly-home: hehe |
| 19:21.47 | jelly-home | xingu: I mean the display "colors". But you're probably overseas. |
| 19:22.04 | wols_ | jelly-home: you have a strange fetish... |
| 19:22.09 | simonrvn | AFK, BBL, GTG |
| 19:22.12 | wols_ | amber screens... *shudder* |
| 19:22.30 | jelly-home | wols_: I have fond memories of amber vt420s from the uni. |
| 19:22.42 | xingu | jelly: green phosphor; I have an amber vt220z right next to it though |
| 19:22.43 | Braindead | and asciipr0n |
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| 19:22.55 | adead | how do i link? |
| 19:23.01 | adead | shit, give me an example |
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| 19:23.11 | Braindead | adead: you don't. for fuck's sake. use module-assistant. |
| 19:23.13 | adead | fuck it, ill google |
| 19:23.13 | simonrvn | ln --help |
| 19:23.16 | wols_ | adead: you gave one yourself |
| 19:23.29 | minerale | How do I neatly kill an x server? X --kill :2 ? |
| 19:23.33 | wols_ | adead: you should have done that a looong time ago |
| 19:23.42 | simonrvn | but really, save yourself some headaches, use module-assistant |
| 19:23.57 | Shadow_mil | minerale: ctrl + alt+ backspace |
| 19:24.01 | sepski | minerale, ctrl+alt+backspace if that's enabeled in xconf. or restart you login manager |
| 19:24.06 | simonrvn | minerale: exit the wm, it'll do it nicely |
| 19:24.30 | adead | Braindead: i don't use m-a because i don't know how to use it, im not used to it. |
| 19:24.40 | Braindead | READ THE FINE MANUAL |
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| 19:24.54 | adead | lol |
| 19:24.56 | adead | i just did |
| 19:25.00 | wols_ | adead: you don't know how to use what you currently use eithre... |
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| 19:25.14 | wols_ | but m-a is there to make things for you easier and you do need that |
| 19:25.19 | Braindead | read it again. and search the fine web for module-assistant guides |
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| 19:25.45 | wols_ | !m-a |
| 19:25.45 | dpkg | somebody said module-assistant was a tool helping to build additional (kernel) module packages and generate/install DEB packages with them, or the daddy, or apt-get install module-assistant kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential, or for etch/sid use linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
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| 19:26.14 | adead | ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/gcc-3.4 ???? |
| 19:26.33 | Braindead | adead: I like you 'cause you're smart |
| 19:26.44 | adead | ? |
| 19:26.57 | aeronadix | adead, so try, its pretty straight forward, no commands, you you use the arrow keys and shit |
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| 19:27.30 | wols_ | adead: delete the gcc symlink first or it won't work |
| 19:27.54 | wols_ | also: your module you build with that upstream ndsiwrapper will most probably not work: your kernel is compiled with 3.3.5 |
| 19:28.00 | pezz | simonrvn: thanks for the tip, the culprit was apt-index-watcher |
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| 19:28.04 | adead | i don't want to fuck something up that's why i ask before i do it |
| 19:28.19 | aeronadix | adead, just go for it, do be scared |
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| 19:28.45 | wols_ | Braindead: to be honest: I never ever used m-a myself before. hate it. but I do use kernel-package :) |
| 19:28.47 | adead | i should recompile my kernel with 3.4, but first i need to know how to link this shit |
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| 19:29.05 | wols_ | adead: "link" is soething else |
| 19:29.12 | adead | you know what i mean |
| 19:29.12 | Braindead | wols_: you don't have to use it. you have to tell nooooobs to use it ;) |
| 19:29.13 | wols_ | linking is what the compiler does in the end. you symlink |
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| 19:29.38 | wols_ | concerning m-a I AM a noob :P |
| 19:29.55 | tarzeau | !qotd0 |
| 19:29.55 | dpkg | -!- mode/#debian [+b *!*@*.registered] by mentor |
| 19:30.21 | stew | adead: yeah shouldn't be messing with that symlink, "export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.4" instead |
| 19:31.23 | sanmarcos | I dont have any more manpages, not even man man, what can I donot even man 7 undocumented. How can I completely reinstall and purge the whole man system and its manpages? |
| 19:31.54 | silly_girl22 | how can i know what version of x i have? i want to know if i have 7.0. |
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| 19:32.00 | sanmarcos | X -version |
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| 19:32.09 | Braindead | silly_girl22: dpkg -l xserver-xorg |
| 19:32.29 | adead | stew: i think i should just recompile my kernel with gcc-3.4 because this thing requires everything compiled with 3.4 |
| 19:32.41 | stew | adead: "this thing"? |
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| 19:32.52 | adead | and one thing, my kernel is 3.3-compiled |
| 19:32.57 | adead | stew: ndiswrapper |
| 19:33.09 | wols_ | sanmarcos: each package comes with its own manpages. are you sure you haven't just misplaced /usr/share/man? |
| 19:33.34 | wols_ | adead: if you used the debian provided ndiswrapper with a debian kernel I doubt you'd need to do that |
| 19:33.44 | stew | adead: you need to compile ndiswrapper with the same major version of gcc that your kernel was, so if you need 3.4 to compile ndiswrapper, you need a kernel compiled with 3.4. BUT you shouldn't mess with the gcc symlink regardless |
| 19:34.06 | wols_ | stew: what should he do then if export CC didn not work? |
| 19:34.07 | adead | stew: that's what i thought |
| 19:34.20 | stew | wols_: also export HOSTCC |
| 19:34.23 | stew | but CC should work |
| 19:34.33 | wols_ | he said it didn't *shrug* |
| 19:34.35 | stew | and if it doesn't, then someone should fix the makefiles |
| 19:34.36 | xingu | not sure it's a good idea to be running kernels built with 3.3 anyway; certainly not a clever thing to do on sparc64 |
| 19:34.37 | slept | I need some help with find , I am searching for whitespaces if i do find *3\ * it gives me a result for find *\ * I get nothing/ an error , what am I doing wrong ? |
| 19:34.57 | wols_ | stew: but then, he _is_ using ndiswrappre from upstream apparently |
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| 19:36.21 | slept | Bushmills, thaks |
| 19:36.31 | Bushmills | yw |
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| 19:38.32 | adead | recompiling now.. |
| 19:38.59 | Arsenick-tc2l | anyone here know a good howto on howto install debian testing with LVM+Software RAID with the debian installer ?? |
| 19:39.00 | sanmarcos | wols_: ? |
| 19:39.18 | sanmarcos | wols_: /usr/share/man is full of 28mb |
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| 19:39.38 | wols_ | then the manpages are there |
| 19:39.40 | Supaplex | Arsenick-tc2l: the joys of initrd :) |
| 19:39.44 | sanmarcos | well man man says no such amnpage |
| 19:39.51 | Arsenick-tc2l | rofl |
| 19:39.53 | sanmarcos | there are abbsolutely no man pages |
| 19:39.59 | wols_ | dpkg-reconfigure man |
| 19:40.27 | sanmarcos | mandb |
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| 19:40.58 | Arsenick-tc2l | Supaplex: at least a howto about the software raid :P |
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| 19:41.29 | wols_ | sanmarcos: if there are 28MB in /usr/share/man, what is in there? ASCII-PRoN? |
| 19:41.38 | Supaplex | Arsenick-tc2l: the debian installer lowerers the learning curve. did you stfw? |
| 19:41.46 | rockstar_ | One can only hope... |
| 19:42.09 | sanmarcos | wols_: reconfigureing man-db did nothing |
| 19:42.36 | wols_ | sanmarcos: what's in your /etc/manpath.config ? |
| 19:42.53 | Arsenick-tc2l | yup :P I've found a lot of documentation about making one once your distrib is installed.. but I still unable to find something related to the deb installer.. |
| 19:43.06 | sanmarcos | wols_: |
| 19:43.09 | sanmarcos | http://en.pastebin.ca/188113 |
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| 19:43.32 | sanmarcos | its not a permissions problems either |
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| 19:44.21 | wols_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:45.00 | sanmarcos | wols_: only one mb, some emtpy dir and index.db |
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| 19:46.48 | sanmarcos | i cant believe this shit |
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| 19:47.28 | sanmarcos | I mean I can zcat th e files in /usr/share/man |
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| 19:47.39 | sanmarcos | but man doesnt detect anything |
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| 19:51.32 | sanmarcos | man -M /usr/share/man 1 ps works |
| 19:51.35 | sanmarcos | so its a fucking path problem |
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| 19:51.53 | magyar | how many hours does one have to be connected to freenode to be able to post at "social" channel? |
| 19:52.26 | abrotman | there's no rhyme/reason ... just wait |
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| 19:53.03 | magyar | If your life was a horse, you'd have to shoot it. |
| 19:53.03 | billy | hello folks, after recompiling a kernel and reboot, i get the error "can't find /etc/modules" ..etc! I rebooted into the old kernel, and checked and /etc/modules/2.6.17-2-486 is missing? why? i thought it was generated when running make modules_install thanks |
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| 19:54.35 | amphi | !tell billy about kernel-package |
| 19:54.42 | sanmarcos | YES I FIXED IT !! FUCK YES I AM TH EBEST |
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| 19:54.54 | abrotman | the best? |
| 19:55.01 | sanmarcos | numero uno |
| 19:55.03 | Braindead | TEH best |
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| 19:55.12 | Supaplex | plus or minus a few typos |
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| 19:55.27 | Supaplex | intentional of course ;) |
| 19:55.33 | abrotman | !tell sanmarcos about best |
| 19:55.34 | billy | amphi: thanks |
| 19:55.34 | Zweideutig | Who thought console blanking was a good idea? I can't stand having to do something to unblank the screen just because I've been staring at it for a while! How do I disable this stupid "feature"? |
| 19:55.41 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 19:55.41 | abrotman | !blank |
| 19:55.41 | dpkg | hmm... blank is a budget screensaver for linux. To turn it off, run 'setterm -blank 0'. At the same time, you may want to add that to the end of /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 19:55.48 | DiamonD | does someone know how to add user and config password into proftpd |
| 19:56.09 | Braindead | DiamonD: the interweb does |
| 19:56.13 | abrotman | you let other people config proftpd ? |
| 19:56.42 | Zweideutig | Budget screensaver? How does it save my screen? Screensavers have been useless and pointless for about a decade. |
| 19:56.48 | sanmarcos | abrotman: i dont have time for specifics, all I know is I fixed this crap taht has been bugging me. my week days are totally filled with crap at work, so I only have the weekends to do maintenance on my computers/servers. Anyhow, you just know that I love you |
| 19:56.55 | Supaplex | Zweideutig: power |
| 19:57.01 | abrotman | sanmarcos: i didn't do anything! |
| 19:57.03 | keram | alsa |
| 19:57.09 | Braindead | Zweideutig: the only screen *saver* is a screensaver that turns off the screen |
| 19:57.34 | Supaplex | it's dpms aware, if its setup right |
| 19:57.38 | Zweideutig | If I want to save power, I'll suspend to RAM or turn my laptop off. |
| 19:57.49 | Braindead | mmmm it can also be configured in /etc/console-tools/config |
| 19:57.53 | Supaplex | then configure it that way *wahh* |
| 19:58.33 | Braindead | Zweideutig: screen blanking is an intelligent default. just change it |
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| 20:00.53 | Supaplex | Braindead: He's beyond our help. he needs a wahhbulance hehe :) |
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| 20:01.35 | j2^ | Hello! I am trying to find a HTML-editor that has save-to-SCP-support. Is there such an animal? |
| 20:02.24 | CcSsNET | save 2 scp? |
| 20:02.27 | CcSsNET | what you mean? |
| 20:02.48 | CcSsNET | a secure copy? like ssh wise? |
| 20:02.50 | scott_ | is anyone here running Debian + XGL? |
| 20:02.51 | j2^ | I want to save the file to a remote host via SCP. |
| 20:03.11 | CcSsNET | j2 just use winscp + context |
| 20:03.23 | CcSsNET | or secpanel + favorite linux html editor |
| 20:03.26 | Supaplex | j2^: quanta |
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| 20:04.29 | CcSsNET | context is a great editor btw check it out |
| 20:04.57 | Supaplex | !start an editor war |
| 20:04.57 | dpkg | nvi bites |
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| 20:05.05 | j2^ | Supaplex: You sure? I cant find SCP mentioned? |
| 20:05.18 | Supaplex | it's supported through kio plugins |
| 20:05.37 | Supaplex | I've done the very thing you requested many times. |
| 20:05.52 | Supaplex | now I just use vim :) |
| 20:06.12 | j2^ | Supaplex: Well, VIM doesnt rate as high on the VAF-Scale :) |
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| 20:06.17 | jelly-home | j2^: what release are you running? If you have a kernel newer or equal to 2.6.15, you can use sshfs and see the remote hosts' files as local, then use any editor you like. |
| 20:06.19 | j2^ | WAF even |
| 20:06.28 | j2^ | jelly: Etch |
| 20:06.34 | j2^ | with 2.6.16 |
| 20:06.44 | Supaplex | sshfs is such a hack :P |
| 20:07.04 | jelly-home | Supaplex: way better than gnome-vfs or kde ioplugins :-P |
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| 20:07.15 | j2^ | Btw.. is WAF an official acronym, or a MythTV-thing? :) |
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| 20:07.35 | andreiutz | it is possible to install flash player ? |
| 20:07.37 | LinuxNIT | is there a way i can find out what package a file came from? |
| 20:07.50 | Supaplex | next you'll want to use httpfs to browse the web... |
| 20:07.56 | Supaplex | LinuxNIT: dpkg -S |
| 20:07.57 | raf256 | how can I tell my debian |
| 20:07.59 | raf256 | to shut the fuck up already damnit |
| 20:08.06 | Supaplex | raf256: sudo init 0 |
| 20:08.18 | raf256 | Supaplex: I ment shut the fuck up, not shut down |
| 20:08.23 | CcSsNET | lol |
| 20:08.26 | raf256 | the person who by default enabled all thoes horrible console mode souns (audiable bell) |
| 20:08.30 | jelly-home | j2^: well then. Install sshfs, add yourself to fuse group, logout/login and you can mount remote filesystems via ssh. |
| 20:08.35 | raf256 | should be placed in mentally care facility |
| 20:08.47 | raf256 | * +ill |
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| 20:08.52 | Supaplex | unplug your speaker hehe |
| 20:09.06 | raf256 | Supaplex: I prefer software solutions |
| 20:09.11 | raf256 | shut the fuck up damn penguin :[ |
| 20:09.13 | Supaplex | setterm |
| 20:09.15 | j2^ | jelly, Supaplex: Thanks, ill look in to both versions, and see which is most WAF-friendly :) |
| 20:09.26 | LinuxNIT | Supaplex, thanks man |
| 20:09.35 | Supaplex | LinuxNIT: np |
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| 20:09.51 | raf256 | Supaplex: and what next? |
| 20:09.55 | raf256 | in stet term |
| 20:10.00 | tarzeau | !debstats |
| 20:10.00 | dpkg | i heard debstats is managed by sussudio, or http://debstats.dontexist.org/ |
| 20:10.03 | Supaplex | LinuxNIT: apt-file can be handy to. (works for stuff not installed) |
| 20:10.03 | jelly-home | j2^: I have lots of ~/mnt/HOSTNAME directories and do "sshfs some-host ~/mnt/some-host", it's especially nice if you've set up public key authentication (that is, you don't have to type the password to login to a ssh server) |
| 20:10.14 | raf256 | I think .inputrc set bell none shuts the fuck up part of the console mode annoying beeps |
| 20:10.23 | Supaplex | raf256: beats me, I read the man page last time I needed it. |
| 20:10.26 | LinuxNIT | Supaplex, ok cool i appreciate it |
| 20:10.27 | andreiutz | is there any alternatives to flash player for debian ? |
| 20:10.28 | raf256 | hmm ok |
| 20:10.34 | tarzeau | andreiutz: no |
| 20:10.36 | raf256 | Supaplex: I think I will write a package for it |
| 20:10.40 | raf256 | it will be called STFU |
| 20:10.44 | Supaplex | haha |
| 20:10.54 | raf256 | and it will manage pc beeper and btw alsa mixer |
| 20:10.55 | tarzeau | raf256: no capital letters allowed |
| 20:11.02 | raf256 | tarzeau: stfu then |
| 20:11.22 | j2^ | jelly: now to figure out how to create /dev/fuse |
| 20:11.24 | j2^ | oh.. |
| 20:11.25 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:11.31 | j2^ | wait... maybe i should insert the module :) |
| 20:11.33 | jelly-home | j2^: modprobe fuse |
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| 20:11.50 | j2^ | jelly: Beat you by point-oh-four seconds ;) |
| 20:11.51 | Slayes | bonsoir tout le monde |
| 20:11.54 | raf256 | jelly-home: I successfully installed xorg i810 driver on yet another laptop |
| 20:12.05 | Braindead | raf256: you're too dumb to even search for a decent solution. stop trying to sound all funny and witty |
| 20:12.06 | jelly-home | raf256: goodie |
| 20:12.14 | Braindead | raf256: anyway set bell-style visible if you're using bash |
| 20:12.20 | tarzeau | raf256: if you need a splash picture: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/stfu-noob.jpg |
| 20:12.42 | raf256 | Braindead: yes that solves bash problem, but what about all programs in console, like vim, more and so on. I want to really MUTE the beeper |
| 20:12.48 | raf256 | tarzeau: =) |
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| 20:12.51 | Braindead | raf256: rmmod pcspkr |
| 20:12.56 | jelly-home | is there a way to see the front-side bus frequency? |
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| 20:13.00 | raf256 | Braindead: cool, thanks |
| 20:13.03 | moebius | hi, i'm having this error when running fc-cache: symbol lookup error: fc-cache: undefined symbol: FcDirCacheLoad |
| 20:13.06 | moebius | what can it be? |
| 20:13.07 | Braindead | raf256: or http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Visual-Bell.html |
| 20:13.21 | raf256 | Braindead: it affects all apps running in given terminal> |
| 20:13.21 | tarzeau | jelly-home: maybe: lshw/hwinfo |
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| 20:13.30 | moebius | i tryied to purge and reinstall fontconfig but nothing changed |
| 20:13.40 | tri0000 | hello pople |
| 20:13.45 | Braindead | raf256: modprobe -r would be more appropriate. it just kills the speaker altogether |
| 20:13.47 | tarzeau | !hello tri0000 |
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| 20:14.27 | jelly-home | tarzeau: it has stuff has _looks_ like it might be fsb, but it's bound to *-cpu, not the motherboard. And on an amd/athlon-xp machine I see 166MHz there which is highly suspicious |
| 20:14.33 | tri0000 | I am behind a http squid proxy ... how do i find the port that i can connect to on a new proxy ... i dont have the port no but i have the ip of the prxy in question .... |
| 20:15.07 | jelly-home | tarzeau: ... that's for lshw, I'll try hwinfo -- thanks for the tip |
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| 20:15.40 | karsten | tri0000: Squid generally runs at a standard port (I'd have to check which). Try that first. |
| 20:15.51 | raf256 | is this a debian bug? installing xorg i810 driver do not depend on installing 2.6.x kernel, but it should - 2.4.x kernels do not work with that driver (/dev/agpgart gives error no such device) on i915 |
| 20:16.03 | tri0000 | karsten 8080 ... its not using that port ... |
| 20:16.13 | karsten | tri0000: Otherwise, you can portscan the box and look for open ports, trying those. |
| 20:16.24 | raf256 | or perhaps i915 should be separated, virtual, package - that depends on i810 general driver and on 2.6.x kernel |
| 20:16.24 | karsten | tri0000: There are also access controls possible, could be you're not at a permitted IP. |
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| 20:16.49 | tri0000 | karrotx how do i un a potscan ? |
| 20:16.57 | tri0000 | *portscan |
| 20:17.04 | karrotx | why karrotx ? |
| 20:17.05 | karsten | tri0000: nmap |
| 20:17.07 | wols | tri0000: man nmap |
| 20:17.11 | karrotx | karrotx hasn't been talking |
| 20:17.26 | tri0000 | tnx karsten, karrotx |
| 20:17.30 | wols | jelly-home: 166MHz is ok for an athlon-xp |
| 20:17.36 | karsten | karrotx: tab complete missfire by tri0000 |
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| 20:18.02 | tri0000 | er i meant wols |
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| 20:18.32 | jelly-home | wols: so that might be it, thanks. |
| 20:18.40 | Jungleland | Hm.. SSHFS doesnt seem entierly stable :) |
| 20:18.53 | wols | jelly-home: older ones had 133, newer ones 166. bartons had up to 200 |
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| 20:20.50 | jelly-home | wols: I see. they talk to RAM on some different freq then? |
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| 20:22.09 | jelly-home | wols: I was just puzzled that a comparable intel machine would have 2-4 times higher fsb freq. |
| 20:24.00 | jelly-home | Jungleland: hmm, it's quite decent for me -- the connection drops only when I restart sshd. |
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| 20:24.35 | mio | anybody had any luck installing VTUNE analyzers on amd64 etch |
| 20:24.37 | mio | ? |
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| 20:24.51 | Jungleland | jelly: The problem is this. 10 seconds after i mounted it, my DSL went down (pretty normal occurance here), and now when it is back, if i even try to tab-complete into the mount-point, my shell locks up :=) |
| 20:26.42 | wols | jelly-home: it won't |
| 20:26.56 | Jungleland | jelly-home: ANd i can't seem to force an unmount either... |
| 20:27.11 | wols | jelly-home: intel uses a quad pumped FSB, but they use the exact same RAM speeds |
| 20:27.41 | wols | and athlons (usually) have a 1:1 divider from FSB to RAM |
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| 20:28.26 | jelly-home | wols: wtf is fsb clock used for then? cpu <-> northbridge and not much else? |
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| 20:28.49 | wols | jelly-home: mostly yes. usually FSB = chipset clock |
| 20:29.38 | wols | for simplicity FSB and RAM clock are usually 1:1 too but it's not a must |
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| 20:32.50 | Mooi | Hello, I booted my PC and grub gives me "Read error". When using grub from floppy, I get "Error 5: Partition table invalid or corrupt", when wanting to boot to the actual system. Any ideas around this? :( |
| 20:33.36 | sepski | Mooi, might be a disk failure, try booting a livecd, and mount your drives there,. |
| 20:33.43 | sepski | and check that your backups are good :) |
| 20:33.48 | Mooi | well... |
| 20:33.52 | Mooi | I am on Knoppix right now |
| 20:33.58 | Mooi | the disks are working perfectly |
| 20:34.06 | Mooi | ..and fdisk -l gives everything correctly |
| 20:34.12 | valdyn | Mooi: try LBA in your bios |
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| 20:34.20 | Mooi | I even checked the file systems |
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| 20:34.26 | Mooi | valdyn, what does LBA mean? |
| 20:34.41 | valdyn | Mooi: |
| 20:34.43 | valdyn | !LBA |
| 20:34.43 | dpkg | somebody said lba was Logical Block Addressing. or good bios informations at http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html |
| 20:34.48 | Mooi | Logical block addressing, a method for specifying locations on computer storage devices |
| 20:34.59 | Mooi | An error occurred while loading http://usuarios.intercom.es/ag0ny/msxdev.html: |
| 20:35.00 | Mooi | Unknown host usuarios.intercom.es |
| 20:35.11 | DiamonD | Hi |
| 20:35.24 | Mooi | valdyn, do I have to turn it on or off or what? |
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| 20:35.28 | valdyn | valdyn: point being that your linux and bios need to agree on disk size |
| 20:35.32 | valdyn | Mooi: change it |
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| 20:35.45 | valdyn | Mooi: err i mean ,disk layout, like block size etc |
| 20:35.54 | Mooi | :s |
| 20:36.09 | Mooi | so I need to change the LBA option then, yes? |
| 20:36.21 | valdyn | Mooi: see what its set to and just change it |
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| 20:36.29 | Mooi | ok |
| 20:36.30 | Mooi | thanks |
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| 20:37.45 | ma3x | hey this snakes on a plane movie is shit |
| 20:38.10 | amphi | you don't say |
| 20:38.58 | ma3x | what |
| 20:39.01 | ma3x | i like action movies |
| 20:39.05 | ma3x | but this is just horrifying |
| 20:39.46 | DiamonD | ok i have a'n question |
| 20:39.59 | DiamonD | where can i find a pager |
| 20:40.01 | DiamonD | What is your favorite pager program? |
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| 20:40.49 | jelly-home | DiamonD: less |
| 20:41.07 | wishkah_ | what vanilla-kernel-version is linux-image-2.6.16-2 based upon? |
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| 20:41.57 | wishkah | what vanilla-kernel-version is linux-image-2.6.16-2 based upon? |
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| 20:43.29 | AlinuxOS | Anton Zinoviev ? |
| 20:43.41 | JB[away] | wishkah 2.6.16 ? :) |
| 20:43.57 | hackmiker | hi i'm having trouble with mysql and php4. is it compiled in by default? |
| 20:44.05 | hackmiker | Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in /var/www/grigoriada/db.inc on line 24 |
| 20:44.19 | jelly-home | how can I tell rsync not to copy the whole files even if both src and dest are local? |
| 20:44.29 | wishkah | JB[away]: I mean which 4th level -stable revision (the .y in 2.6.16.y) |
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| 20:44.58 | Mooi | ok |
| 20:45.00 | Mooi | no effect |
| 20:45.01 | Mooi | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:45.01 | JB[away] | 2.6.16 without .y |
| 20:45.11 | karsten | OT: anyone got a few good examples of web-based mash-ups? Eg: Google Earth / Google Maps stuff? |
| 20:45.14 | JB[away] | i think ;) |
| 20:45.30 | wishkah | JB[away]: so they don't take the -stable patches into the package? that'd not make sense from my perspective |
| 20:45.38 | jelly-home | wishkah: aptitude changelog linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 20:46.17 | wishkah | jelly-home: just what I was looking for, thanks |
| 20:46.18 | Mooi | I get "Read error" when loading grub stage 1.5. The HDD works fine when on Knoppix though:/ |
| 20:46.35 | Mooi | booting from floppy grub gives @Partition table invalid or corrupt" |
| 20:46.38 | karsten | Hrm. Ubuntu and Knoppix are mash-ups ;-) |
| 20:46.54 | jelly-home | Debian is a mash-up too I think. |
| 20:46.58 | karsten | Mooi: Might want to try gpart to restore. |
| 20:47.04 | karsten | jelly-home: Arguably, yess. |
| 20:47.11 | karsten | jelly-home: ... my presiousss. |
| 20:47.27 | robin_sz | knoppix is not a real distro, its just alive cd thing for you to try linux out with before you install a proper one |
| 20:47.28 | valdyn | Mooi: you're booting the wrong disk ( bios issue ), or you wrote the partition table just when bios LBA setting didnt fit linux |
| 20:47.35 | looksaus | damn, still a bug in simple backup in edgy |
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| 20:47.57 | looksaus | that keeps me from doing passwordless scp backups |
| 20:48.08 | valdyn | Mooi: stage 1.5 must be loaded from disk, from a partition that grub can access |
| 20:48.19 | Mooi | valdyn, hm, well, hdb changed to hdc. I swapped them but no effect |
| 20:48.39 | valdyn | Mooi: your bios might consider that disk hda? |
| 20:48.49 | Mooi | :s |
| 20:48.49 | Mooi | well |
| 20:48.55 | Mooi | My system is a bi different |
| 20:49.15 | valdyn | Mooi: you boot a disk, thats first for bios, first for grub, but for linux it will be hdb if it is not primary master |
| 20:49.25 | Mooi | I have all my home files on hdb6. my /boot is hdb1. my / is hda6 |
| 20:49.39 | Mooi | valdyn, but linux doesnt even boot up |
| 20:49.39 | Mooi | ! |
| 20:49.46 | valdyn | Mooi: and whats your root in grubs config? |
| 20:49.53 | jelly-home | Mooi: root(hd1,0)? |
| 20:50.02 | valdyn | Mooi: i know it doesnt boot, but GRUB 'mounts' a partition, or tries to, its failing for you |
| 20:50.24 | Mooi | root (hd0,0) |
| 20:50.36 | valdyn | Mooi: it must be what jelly-home said |
| 20:50.39 | jelly-home | Mooi: that's why it fails. |
| 20:50.42 | Mooi | jeez |
| 20:50.46 | Mooi | it worked before. |
| 20:50.47 | Xorm | huh |
| 20:50.55 | Mooi | hda7 is still the same partition |
| 20:50.55 | Xorm | I don't have /dev/dsp according to ET |
| 20:50.57 | valdyn | Mooi: it worked because it was MASTER |
| 20:50.59 | Mooi | tit never changed |
| 20:51.12 | jelly-home | Mooi: did you have a hda before or just hdb? |
| 20:51.13 | wols | Mooi: are you using map () in your menu.lst? |
| 20:51.33 | Mooi | wols, menu.lst has nothing to do with it :). it is not even being loaded |
| 20:51.47 | valdyn | Mooi: it can be quite annoying to what your bios maps disks, thats is defenitely your error |
| 20:51.47 | Mooi | I think you helped me figure it out. I think I plugged the HDD into the IDE2 instead of IDE1 |
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| 20:51.50 | Mooi | :/ |
| 20:52.01 | valdyn | Mooi: maybe |
| 20:52.08 | Mooi | gonna check |
| 20:52.11 | Xorm | Should that matteR? |
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| 20:52.53 | valdyn | Xorm: you are using alsa sound? |
| 20:53.00 | Xorm | I'm not sure. |
| 20:53.15 | valdyn | Xorm: you have any sound at all? |
| 20:53.23 | Xorm | Some weird stuff happened when I tried to install Azureus from either a testing or unstable thing |
| 20:53.28 | Xorm | valdyn, yes. |
| 20:53.48 | Xorm | XMMS comes through just fine after I twiddled a mixer. |
| 20:53.52 | valdyn | Xorm: modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixier-oss, then try ET again |
| 20:53.59 | valdyn | Xorm: modprobe snd-pcm-oss;modprobe snd-mixer-oss, then try ET again |
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| 20:54.16 | Xorm | uhoh. |
| 20:54.22 | Xorm | Lotsa warnings. |
| 20:54.27 | Xorm | WARNING: /etc/modprobe.d/linux-sound-base_noOSS line 58: ignoring bad line starting with 'blacklist' |
| 20:54.46 | Xorm | line 1-58 |
| 20:55.10 | Xorm | same with the latter |
| 20:55.20 | valdyn | Xorm: dpkg-reconfigure linux-sound-base might possibly fix that |
| 20:55.35 | Xorm | oooh! |
| 20:55.43 | Xorm | ET is making sound again now. |
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| 20:56.23 | valdyn | Xorm: thanks to those modprobes.. but your /linux-sound-base_noOSS still seems to be broken |
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| 20:56.53 | Xorm | huh. |
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| 20:57.20 | Xorm | So, do I leave it broken or should I attempt to fix it? |
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| 21:00.34 | DaBlade | Hello |
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| 21:00.53 | olleolleolle | Dear dear Debian folks. I'm on Sarge, on a 64-bit AMD machine (a Virtual Private Server). And I seem to have package conflicts betw Ruby & MySQL- |
| 21:01.05 | DaBlade | When I set the PCM level in alsamixer to anything lower than 100, after a short amount of time, it changes it back to 100 |
| 21:01.12 | DaBlade | how can I pin the PCM volume level? |
| 21:01.41 | olleolleolle | The thing seems to be between Readline4 and Readline5 -- I need both a database, and a scripting language. :-) |
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| 21:04.15 | Mooi | Ok, hey - moved the hdc to hdb and when booting, simply says Booting from CD: and does nothing. When I boot manually with grub floppy, does the job nicely and I'm on Debian right now :). How do I fix the grub's part now? |
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| 21:04.50 | karsten | Mooi: That depends on how far through GRUB's startup process you get. |
| 21:05.01 | Mooi | 0 ? |
| 21:05.17 | karsten | Mooi: Well, what do you see when attempting to boot from GRUB? |
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| 21:05.33 | sandman | Is there an easy straight-forward way to get printing working under Debian? |
| 21:05.40 | karsten | sandman: cups |
| 21:05.41 | Mooi | when booting my PC WITHOUT a floppy, does nothing at all. |
| 21:05.49 | DaBlade | Hello? |
| 21:05.52 | Mooi | when I boot from GRUB floppy, it works. |
| 21:05.59 | karsten | Mooi: Define "nothing at all". What, *SPECIFICALLY* do you see? |
| 21:06.13 | valdyn | Mooi: that is a bios setting |
| 21:06.31 | valdyn | Mooi: you can pick devices to try booting from and the priority order |
| 21:06.34 | karsten | Mooi: eg: "No boot disk found", vs "GRUB", vs "GRUB 1.5 loading", vs. GRUB menu. |
| 21:06.41 | Mooi | "Booting from CD:" |
| 21:06.45 | Mooi | tthat's it. |
| 21:06.46 | karsten | valdyn: Could be a mis-installed GRUB MBR. |
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| 21:07.03 | karsten | Mooi: BIOS. Set order to boot CD then floppy then HD. |
| 21:07.09 | Mooi | My BIOS boot priority: Floppy, CD, HD |
| 21:07.11 | Mooi | t:) |
| 21:07.12 | karsten | Mooi: ... and take your bootable CD out of the drive. |
| 21:07.24 | Mooi | karsten: and it is taken out |
| 21:07.37 | karsten | Mooi: If that's not it, boot from floppy and run "grub-install /dev/hda" once booted. |
| 21:07.50 | Mooi | ok, thanks for that :) |
| 21:08.05 | Mooi | but how do I make the grub use /dev/hdb1/grub/menu.lst file |
| 21:08.06 | Mooi | ? |
| 21:08.15 | karsten | Mooi: It Just Does. |
| 21:08.22 | karsten | Mooi: Um. /dev/hda or /dev/hdb? |
| 21:08.29 | Mooi | hdb |
| 21:08.31 | karsten | Mooi: What disk devices are you using? |
| 21:09.04 | karsten | Mooi: ... and/or what's in hda? |
| 21:09.09 | Pegger | if you use the username/password set up you can have clients have zero certs/keys correct? |
| 21:09.11 | Pegger | a12 |
| 21:09.15 | valdyn | Mooi: that is triggered by root(hd1,0) |
| 21:09.38 | karsten | valdyn: Point. On grub-install or what? |
| 21:09.58 | Mooi | ( hda -> NTFS (1), ext3 (6), ext3 (7, my /) ), (hdb -> ext2(1, my /boot), ext2(7, my /home/) ) |
| 21:09.59 | Mooi | :s |
| 21:10.04 | Mooi | ah ok, thanks |
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| 21:10.12 | valdyn | karsten: we had that earlier.. in his menu.lst or grub boot menu |
| 21:10.29 | karsten | valdyn: How _does_ grub find menu.lst? |
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| 21:11.05 | DaBlade | At the risk of someone noticing I'm repeating myself: When I set the PCM level in alsamixer to anything lower than 100, after a short amount of time, it changes it back to 100. How can I pin it down to a certain level and not have it change back? |
| 21:11.11 | Mooi | the root(*,*) must contain grub/menu.lst simply and looks for it |
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| 21:13.22 | valdyn | karsten: i would guess it does a search, as mooi sais, i dont know for sure |
| 21:13.43 | karsten | valdyn: Yeah. I've seen a search extension run (used for a boot CD to save info somewhere on HD), not sure if that's standard w/ GRUB. |
| 21:13.53 | karsten | valdyn: ... s/run/written/ |
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| 21:17.21 | tuxedup | Should gnash work after installing it, or do I have to mess with config files before it works in Konqueror. I installed klash and the konq plug in |
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| 21:17.48 | valdyn | Mooi: wrong that was, the location of menu.lst and stages is written to the mbr when you do grub-install, root is just for the kernel |
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| 21:18.28 | Mooi | valdyn: root is the location of the kernel |
| 21:18.36 | Mooi | t..and initrd and other things |
| 21:18.41 | valdyn | Mooi: yea |
| 21:18.46 | Mooi | ok |
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| 21:19.07 | valdyn | Mooi: root is a confusing name i guess when its not / |
| 21:19.15 | Mooi | :) |
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| 21:19.37 | tri0000 | if i run nmap will the system admin know about it ? |
| 21:19.39 | woodgrain | .msg nickserv identify philsirc |
| 21:19.46 | Mooi | well, simply, root(1,2) would mean [/dev/hd(1)(2)] |
| 21:19.47 | valdyn | tri0000: most likely, no |
| 21:19.52 | tri0000 | i mean as in if he is look looking for it ? |
| 21:19.55 | Mooi | so wait, grub-install and its all done? |
| 21:20.00 | tri0000 | *not |
| 21:20.07 | tri0000 | tnx valdyn |
| 21:20.16 | valdyn | tri0000: nmap can act very slow too if you chose that option |
| 21:20.31 | Mooi | ok |
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| 21:20.47 | valdyn | tri0000: in fast operation it will be found be automatic tools |
| 21:20.49 | tri0000 | oh unless there is a email sent to him i dont think he will check now ... |
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| 21:21.35 | valdyn | tri0000: naturally depending on how many ports you scan too.. |
| 21:22.03 | tri0000 | valdyn what does nmar ip do ? default ? |
| 21:22.13 | valdyn | tri0000: i dont know |
| 21:22.16 | tri0000 | scan all the ports ? |
| 21:22.26 | tri0000 | ok let me look that up |
| 21:22.32 | valdyn | tri0000: oh, just the 1-1024 rage and not even all |
| 21:23.16 | tri0000 | what if the ports that are open are say above that range maybe 44444 or somehting ? |
| 21:23.26 | Braindead | tri0000: read the man. all of it. but before that tell us what you're gonna scan,what's your purpose and who's the admin who's gonna run after you with a baseball bat |
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| 21:23.56 | tri0000 | Braindead i live in a dorm with very slow net access via a proxy .. |
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| 21:24.18 | tri0000 | i am holed up here during the hols and no admin around so i cant do my research ... |
| 21:24.34 | tri0000 | i just want a faster pipe .... |
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| 21:25.04 | Braindead | ah you're the squid/proxyed guy |
| 21:25.15 | tri0000 | yep |
| 21:26.11 | sandman | Dang, apt-spy and netselect-apt both appear broken. |
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| 21:26.28 | Braindead | so you're gonna nmap what and with which purpose? you saw nmap in the movies and you thing it's a magical l33t t00l? |
| 21:26.36 | sandman | netselect-apt produces 69.90.119.41, which appears to be a thoroughly broken mirror |
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| 21:26.47 | sandman | And apt-spy thinks that nearly all the mirrors are invalid |
| 21:27.07 | tri0000 | i got a faster pipe ... tnx people .... |
| 21:27.13 | igraltist | hi |
| 21:27.45 | igraltist | can i do with mkisfofs a backup from all while the system is running? |
| 21:27.57 | Braindead | gotta say thanks to nmap,the magical pipe searcher |
| 21:28.12 | tri0000 | Braindead its sort of like this ... we have 50 to 60 proxies spread all over the place 2 are in common use by all the students ... so they tend to be slow ... i know the ips of all the proxies... i just need the ports |
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| 21:28.32 | tri0000 | i got 4 of the and they are blazing fast at 2mbit or more .... |
| 21:28.40 | Braindead | ah ok. that makes sense |
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| 21:28.57 | Braindead | tri0000: enjoy your fast pr0n |
| 21:29.01 | tri0000 | as against a measly 2kb persec i was on ... |
| 21:29.14 | Braindead | tri0000: http://www.asciipr0n.com in case you go back to low bandwidth |
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| 21:29.40 | dutchfish | How can i overide /proc/version because of an app is looking at only this and sees its 64 bit while could happely run under the installed 32 bit userland? |
| 21:29.45 | tri0000 | Braindead na i have too much work to do besides .... there is a ton of porn on the internal network ... |
| 21:29.59 | fdsd | hey guys, I cant figure this out, I have two iso files, one for powerpc linux and another for x86 linux, I want to put both on one cd and I want both to be bootable, the powerpc iso will show up when I hold down option and if I make the x86 iso on the first session it will boot on a pc, any idea on how to do this? |
| 21:30.01 | tri0000 | so only serious work needs net access |
| 21:30.18 | tri0000 | 50tbs of pors iirc ... |
| 21:30.39 | fdsd | You guys are smarter than smart, if anyone you guys can help me figure this out! |
| 21:30.46 | Braindead | fdsd: burn 2 cds. it's faster than loosing your mind to cook up something that's El-Torito standards compliant |
| 21:31.14 | fdsd | Braindead, I have been doing that for years now, I want to make a single disk |
| 21:32.21 | fdsd | Braindead, it should be as simple as burning a disk with two volumes |
| 21:32.26 | Braindead | fdsd: keep on burning 2 cds. they're cheaper now than years ago. cdrw are even cheaper |
| 21:32.37 | fdsd | Braindead, its not that easy |
| 21:32.41 | amphi | fdsd: you will probably have to construct the image yourself; man mkisofs may have some info on how to make such 'hybrid' images |
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| 21:33.07 | fdsd | amphi, hybrid images are hfs and iso together.. My powerpc iso is a hybrid, that will not work |
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| 21:33.18 | Braindead | an hybrid image is a thing. a *bootable* hybrid image is a whole different thing |
| 21:33.23 | fluvvell | fdsd, is this for a "live" linux or an install disk? |
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| 21:33.38 | fdsd | live linux |
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| 21:33.54 | fdsd | its a repair utility I made |
| 21:34.00 | fdsd | for powerpc and x86 |
| 21:34.03 | iLLf8d | greetings all |
| 21:34.12 | fdsd | the x86 livecd will never run a PC, only intel Macs |
| 21:34.28 | Braindead | fdsd: http://www.macdisk.com/hybbooten.php3 good luck. |
| 21:34.32 | fdsd | so its okay if its not on the first session |
| 21:34.40 | iLLf8d | can someone tell me if a centrino pentium mobile chip would be a pentium-m or pentium4m in build options? |
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| 21:35.58 | Blissex | iLLf8d: just use 686... |
| 21:36.01 | jhony | Hello I'm from Peru |
| 21:36.09 | jhony | anyone to chat? |
| 21:36.18 | Blissex | iLLf8d: but it is a 'pentium-m' |
| 21:36.19 | nvz | jhony: wrong place to chat |
| 21:36.32 | nvz | jhony: try dalnet or efnet |
| 21:36.47 | iLLf8d | gotcha thanks theres no 686 option in the dialog |
| 21:36.48 | jhony | oh I understand |
| 21:36.49 | jhony | sorry thanks |
| 21:36.52 | iLLf8d | will use pentium-m |
| 21:36.53 | streuner | jhony: do you use debian? |
| 21:36.56 | jhony | yes |
| 21:37.00 | jhony | I use Debian |
| 21:37.14 | jhony | in my country (Peru) we also use Debian GNU/Linux |
| 21:37.35 | jhony | nvz in this channel could I chat about Debian? |
| 21:37.56 | nvz | jhony: this channel is for debian technical support |
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| 21:38.14 | CHodapp | sigh... why can't my country use Debian too? |
| 21:38.36 | sandman | Why is libcamd64 installed on my system... I have a 32-bit cpu |
| 21:38.42 | sandman | libc6-amd64 rather |
| 21:38.51 | jhony | nvz: Ok |
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| 21:40.29 | beware | hi |
| 21:40.30 | cocozz | Where does the alsa's config resides ? |
| 21:40.34 | cocozz | anyone knows |
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| 21:42.35 | h3sp4wn | cocozz: /usr/share/alsa/cards (but it can be overriden in /etc/asound.conf or ~/.asound.conf) |
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| 21:44.16 | cocozz | thanks h3sp4wn |
| 21:44.30 | NaufraGo | I can't mount a data dvd, can anybody help me? |
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| 21:46.53 | neoneurone | Hi, I need somebody to test the .package file from an opensource game |
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| 21:50.15 | olleolleolle | I solved me own trouble, and now I'll get outta here. Ciao. |
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| 21:54.17 | nvz | can I rip a cd without having an audio cable |
| 21:55.02 | wols_ | yes |
| 21:55.07 | tri0000 | yes |
| 21:55.18 | wols_ | audiocable = bad. analog rip |
| 21:55.20 | nvz | I got a cd here they wanna hear and I dont have an audio cable hooke up |
| 21:55.29 | nvz | I figured I could just rip it |
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| 22:00.38 | nvz | alright it ripped this to an ogg, and for some reason cplay isnt playing it.. it plays mp3s.I tried ogg123 straight and its saying cant open the alsa device.which is understandable since I use OSS right now |
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| 22:03.39 | bkhl | Hm, what's the thing to run if I want to reconfigure networking again, like at the install. |
| 22:03.53 | bkhl | In particular, I want a machine that didn't before to work as a gateway to the Internet now. |
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| 22:04.32 | kmute | how do? |
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| 22:05.25 | devicenull | I have a question.. is it possible to install debian by booting from dhcp? |
| 22:05.27 | kmute | wondering- heard alot of good things about debian...how is it for linux newbs- especially in regards to getting apache, mysql, php - and even the base os in? |
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| 22:06.06 | devicenull | my laptop has a broken CD drive, and I dont have a computer that can write floppy drives |
| 22:06.12 | devicenull | however, it can boot via PXE or DHCP |
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| 22:07.09 | kmute | you should be able to do that; i don't know about with debian- I'm rather inquiring on it, myself. I know most of the newer distros can do that, though- they usually download via ftp, though, and do it like that. |
| 22:07.38 | Guerin | devicenull: easiest thing is to get a 2.5->3.5 ide converter |
| 22:07.55 | Guerin | devicenull: but debian can work over tftp, I think |
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| 22:08.07 | kmute | Guerin: wondering- heard alot of good things about debian...how is it for linux newbs- especially in regards to getting apache, mysql, php - and even the base os in? |
| 22:08.25 | kmute | 32 bit |
| 22:08.39 | karsten | kmute: Reasonably easy. Ubuntu might be a slightly simpler introduction, under the hood they're very, very similar. |
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| 22:09.06 | karsten | devicenull: there are USB floppy drives. |
| 22:09.18 | Guerin | kmute: if you can read, you can install and operate debian |
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| 22:09.46 | kmute | Guerin: is that an leetist haxxor kind of comment to make anyone who can't stupid, or is it really that easy for newbs? |
| 22:10.04 | karsten | kmute: It's a pretty realistic statement. |
| 22:10.10 | Guerin | kmute: no, it's true. |
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| 22:10.21 | Guerin | kmute: the thing is that you DO have to be able to read. |
| 22:10.35 | Knorrie | read a lot :) |
| 22:10.41 | kmute | ah. |
| 22:10.47 | kmute | in other words: no. |
| 22:10.55 | karsten | kmute: able and willing. |
| 22:10.58 | nvz | anyone know the format of a cplay config? I need to have -d oss passed for oggs |
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| 22:12.05 | kmute | my reasoning is that I need a simple AMP server on my local network, and it will not have access to the internet, so I'm really looking for something that I won't have to play around with a command line on at all. |
| 22:12.39 | kmute | it's a pain in the ass for me to get online, now, so I can't be running back and forth to the lab to read documentation that i can't memorize or print out |
| 22:12.59 | kmute | you said kubuntu? |
| 22:13.05 | Guerin | kmute: debian has plenty of local documentation |
| 22:13.15 | kmute | I tried ubuntu...but...boy, that sucked so bad... |
| 22:13.26 | Guerin | kmute: but it's all command line, so if you're a point-and-drool type you probably want something else |
| 22:13.41 | kmute | definately. |
| 22:13.47 | kmute | any suggestions? |
| 22:13.57 | Guerin | though I don't knoww if there are any serious distros which don't require cli for web/swl/php |
| 22:14.15 | kmute | I tried win2k3 ent. server....but it didn't have the drivers for my onboard etho |
| 22:14.17 | Guerin | basically, if you want a gui webserver, you want windows |
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| 22:15.10 | kmute | dang. you know, someone would make an absolute fortune if they made an easy gui for AMP rigs. |
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| 22:15.17 | smax | hi |
| 22:15.31 | smax | how do i get gedit to NOT print that horrific line across the top of the page. |
| 22:16.10 | streuner | using abiword? ;-) |
| 22:16.19 | Guerin | kmute: why? 99% of people have no business running a webserver. |
| 22:16.35 | fdsd | hey guys, what app allows me to use a cursor in the console? |
| 22:16.36 | Guerin | kmute: even microsoft make ALL their money from IIS off business customers. |
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| 22:16.38 | kmute | Guerin: really? It's my reason for living |
| 22:16.39 | orchid | nvz: http://mask.tf.hut.fi/~flu/hacks/cplay/cplay-1.49.tar.gz there is an example rc file there |
| 22:16.46 | streuner | fdsd: gpm |
| 22:16.53 | nvz | orchid: thanks |
| 22:16.53 | Guerin | kmute: then you probably should consider investing a few hours in learning. |
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| 22:17.38 | kmute | I REFUSE! |
| 22:18.23 | kmute | debhelper: can you kick me, please? |
| 22:18.25 | adam | Hi, I've just set etch up on my dedi, added the extra IPs and so on but when I connect out from them it seems to connect out from the primary IP on the card (although incoming connections work fine), have I forgotten something? |
| 22:19.01 | kmute | KICK ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1 |
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| 22:19.15 | kmute | please? |
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| 22:19.33 | freegan-bh | How do I mount a ramfs with rw enabled for non-root users from the command line? |
| 22:19.41 | kmute | wtf |
| 22:19.56 | kmute | kick me |
| 22:19.57 | Guerin | !kick kmute |
| 22:20.04 | kmute | ouch. |
| 22:20.05 | Guerin | kmute: kick yourself |
| 22:20.08 | kmute | damn |
| 22:20.10 | kmute | that really hurt |
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| 22:20.18 | kmute | kick me! |
| 22:20.19 | kmute | haha |
| 22:20.21 | kmute | pleeeeeease |
| 22:20.35 | kmute | kick me kick me kick me |
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| 22:20.50 | Guerin | kmute: type !ops kick me |
| 22:20.57 | kmute | !ops kick me |
| 22:20.58 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: kmute complains about: kick me |
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| 22:21.05 | Guerin | eejit |
| 22:21.13 | peterS | kmute: don't be a moron |
| 22:21.21 | kmute | dude, i want to be kicked |
| 22:21.24 | kmute | kick me! |
| 22:21.28 | kmute | !ops kick me |
| 22:21.29 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: kmute complains about: kick me |
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| 22:21.31 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@dl02-6j0c721.acs.usm.maine.edu] by peterS |
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| 22:21.33 | Guerin | peterS: he wants a gui webserver, how can he not be? |
| 22:21.51 | peterS | if he wants a kick, he can have a +q |
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| 22:22.01 | epsilon | a gui webserver? what's that |
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| 22:23.46 | Guerin | epsilon: yes. |
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| 22:24.11 | nextstate2 | is etch stable enough now it could be used on a server? or is that just a bad idea? I've got two servers running woody and I'd like to get them up to sarge. Then when etch comes out I'll have to upgrade again. I'd like to avoid that by just installing etch to begin with. |
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| 22:24.24 | epsilon | probably xterm and tail -f /var/log/apache/access.log something |
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| 22:24.47 | adam | anyone know what's up with my network setup? |
| 22:24.48 | epsilon | nextstate2: wait until etch is stable |
| 22:25.00 | Phuzion | Describe your situation, adam |
| 22:25.03 | Zesty | I've managed to remove my apache2 configurations files (the ones located in /etc/apache2) I've tried apt-get install after removing, and also apt-get remove --purge but the files don't appear to come back, can anyone tell me how to recreate them please? |
| 22:25.07 | adam | I did, above, but I'll repeat it |
| 22:25.10 | adam | Hi, I've just set etch up on my dedi, added the extra IPs and so on but when I connect out from them it seems to connect out from the primary IP on the card (although incoming connections work fine), have I forgotten something? |
| 22:25.11 | phantom_ | is PHP 5.1 PDO available in Debian testing? |
| 22:25.13 | epsilon | nextstate2: upgrading now and in 2-3 months again to etch will cost extra time |
| 22:25.30 | NaufraGo | my dvd device doesn't work.. it gives me a /dev/hdb error, can anybody help me_ |
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| 22:25.56 | phantom_ | I can't see any reference to it |
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| 22:26.16 | Phuzion | What are the packages I need to install for LAMP? |
| 22:26.20 | Phuzion | P being PHP |
| 22:26.44 | Zesty | Phuzion, google LAMP, it's an acronym ;) |
| 22:26.47 | epsilon | apache*, mysql*, php3*|php4* |
| 22:26.52 | nextstate2 | epsilon: I realize that. I've just had better luck with sarge on my emails servers (failover system) than with my fileservers running woody. Thought an upgrade of os and failover software would fix my probs. |
| 22:26.54 | peterS | Phuzion: the wrong approach is "I need LAMP, what packages are those?" the right approach is "I need such-and-such programs" |
| 22:26.59 | freegan-bh | No one? |
| 22:27.03 | peterS | Phuzion: i.e., if you don't know what you want, why do you want it? |
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| 22:27.14 | Phuzion | I know what I want, I don't know what it's called packagewise |
| 22:27.56 | Zesty | How can I recreate the configuration files for a package? |
| 22:28.00 | Echelon | I have just recently made an installation of etch upon a server. I have multiple ips on the machine, and each are responsive. However, when i try to bind to the other ips, the applications wish to bind to the main ip on eth0. Does anybody know what could be causing such a problem? |
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| 22:28.32 | epsilon | nextstate2: if you *really* need sarge stuff, then upgrade to sarge. Testing is NOT recommended on "install and forget"-servers |
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| 22:29.46 | nextstate2 | espilon: ok, thanks. Not what I wanted to hear, but good advice. Looks like two upgrades are in my near future. |
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| 22:30.06 | NaufraGo | my dvd device doesn't work.. it gives me a /dev/hdb error, can anybody help me? |
| 22:30.15 | epsilon | Zesty: if you have purged apache2, run rm -rf on /etc/apache2 and then reinstalled, you must have original conf again |
| 22:30.15 | adam | is it on /dev/hdb? |
| 22:30.23 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 22:30.23 | adam | (primary ide slave) |
| 22:30.31 | adam | does it work in any other OS? |
| 22:30.37 | NaufraGo | yes |
| 22:30.39 | adam | can you boot a rescue CD from it |
| 22:30.44 | epsilon | Zesty: But reember, other packages may write own conf in conf.d, which may be lost at rm -rf |
| 22:30.47 | adam | hmm, what is the error |
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| 22:30.59 | NaufraGo | it works on windows |
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| 22:31.14 | NaufraGo | but it doesn't work on debian |
| 22:31.20 | Echelon | I have just recently made an installation of etch upon a server. I have multiple ips on the machine, and each are responsive. However, when i try to bind to the other ips, the applications wish to bind to the main ip on eth0. Does anybody know what could be causing such a problem? |
| 22:31.36 | adam | NaufraGo, what is the exact error? |
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| 22:32.51 | phantom_ | so, there isn't a PDO extension in debian? |
| 22:32.58 | Echelon | ... |
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| 22:33.07 | NaufraGo | I click to mount the /dev/hdb dvd device and it says 'bad superblock on /dev/hdb', do you see? |
| 22:33.11 | Echelon | clearly i have my thumb up my ass, my finger in my nose, and sausages in my bloody ears. |
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| 22:33.15 | adam | err |
| 22:33.27 | adam | have you tried another disc? |
| 22:33.52 | NaufraGo | no, but I think that it should work anyway |
| 22:33.55 | SinnerG | is it possible to reinstall debian from within a ssh session? |
| 22:34.12 | adam | well try another one |
| 22:34.20 | Echelon | its possible to chroot and run the bootstrap |
| 22:34.26 | Echelon | then copy that over |
| 22:34.33 | Echelon | google around for tutorials on it. |
| 22:34.37 | SinnerG | ok |
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| 22:34.51 | SinnerG | I can use a recovery console, but it takes hours before they process my request ;p |
| 22:35.12 | epsilon | SinnerG: simple howto-install debootstrap debian is in manpage of dbootstrap itself |
| 22:35.25 | epsilon | reading it is *highly* recommended |
| 22:35.41 | NaufraGo | well, the disk I tried to mount was written on windows, as a data disk, maybe that's the problem, isn't it? |
| 22:35.53 | Echelon | grr. |
| 22:35.54 | adam | it might be if it was a packet disc or something |
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| 22:36.02 | Echelon | clearly if i ask my question in a well formed manner, i get ignored |
| 22:36.08 | Echelon | maybe if i ask it like a moron, ill get better responses |
| 22:36.19 | adam | I asked it in a badly formed manner and I got ignored too |
| 22:36.35 | Echelon | oi. |
| 22:36.36 | NaufraGo | I've tried with another dvd, a movie one, and it works |
| 22:36.39 | wols_ | NaufraGo: no it isn't |
| 22:36.45 | adam | well then it's the disc |
| 22:36.46 | peterS | Echelon: not likely. more likely the people who know much about binding IP addresses aren't paying attention |
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| 22:37.33 | Echelon | or 'could care less' |
| 22:37.38 | Echelon | which is most likely. |
| 22:37.39 | peterS | Echelon: also, you should give some details about which applications are doing this to you. not all applications are configured the same way |
| 22:37.48 | Zesty | epsilon, it doesn't appear to be working, after the purge, then the install no apache2 directory is written to. |
| 22:37.50 | Echelon | irssi, bitchx, etc. |
| 22:38.03 | NaufraGo | isn't there any way to mount this data dvd? probably it's written by a win filesystem |
| 22:38.03 | peterS | those are _client_ apps. they shouldn't need to bind to _any_ IPs |
| 22:38.10 | Echelon | uhh, they can though |
| 22:38.13 | Echelon | when they connect out. |
| 22:38.23 | peterS | no, you mean, when they accept DCC |
| 22:38.28 | Echelon | And they still fail to bind when they connect out when they're clearly defined in command line |
| 22:38.33 | Echelon | uhm, no. |
| 22:38.38 | Echelon | I mean when i connect out to an irc server |
| 22:38.45 | peterS | normally they don't need to bind to anything, they just connect to whatever IP they're told to |
| 22:38.46 | epsilon | Zesty: then you are doing something wrong |
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| 22:38.49 | Echelon | lets say i want it to use 1.2.3.4 instead of 1.2.3.3 |
| 22:38.49 | NaufraGo | wols_ do you know? |
| 22:38.59 | Echelon | i use irssi --hostname=1.2.3.4 |
| 22:39.04 | Echelon | and it still uses 1.2.3.3 |
| 22:39.18 | Echelon | then i try BitchX -H 1.2.3.4 |
| 22:39.24 | Echelon | and it still uses 1.2.3.3 |
| 22:39.39 | peterS | Echelon: does that actually use bind() or does it just affect the data sent via the irc protocol? |
| 22:39.58 | Echelon | it clearly uses bind() |
| 22:40.13 | Echelon | and either way, it works on other machines that i've tried it on, so i dont see why that'd be the case. |
| 22:41.01 | NaufraGo | how can I read a data dvd?! |
| 22:41.08 | peterS | I'm guessing the kernel is using the existing routing table as a hint that only one IP is supposed to be directly internet connected, or something |
| 22:41.23 | peterS | NaufraGo: 'mount -t udf /dev/cdrom /mnt' |
| 22:41.38 | peterS | possibly also with the -r flag, as it is read-only |
| 22:41.58 | peterS | udf is the data DVD filesystem type. some might be 'iso9660' instead. |
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| 22:42.56 | Zesty | Thanks epsilon, working now. |
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| 22:45.06 | freeone3000 | When trying to burn a cd with cdrecord, it says it can't load the scsi drivers. Well, that's nice. Why not? |
| 22:45.18 | wols_ | Echelon: those secondary IPs, do they have routing entries? |
| 22:45.26 | freeone3000 | I have sg3-utils installed. |
| 22:45.52 | eth1r | freeone3000 do you have scsi support in the kernel or as a module? |
| 22:46.02 | freeone3000 | Er. |
| 22:46.04 | freeone3000 | I don't know? |
| 22:46.21 | freeone3000 | My CD drives work while mounted, so I didn't really bother messing with it. |
| 22:47.59 | eth1r | funny I thought they stopped using scsi drivers a while ago.. |
| 22:48.04 | eth1r | guess that means I don't know anything |
| 22:48.14 | freeone3000 | They did. |
| 22:48.32 | freeone3000 | Everything's ATA now. But. No upgrades. |
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| 22:49.10 | iLLf8d | hrm anyone know what the 127.0.1.1 entry is for in hosts? |
| 22:49.13 | freeone3000 | I'm not even sure if I have an SATA controller. But I've got a <2 years old dvd+/-rw dual layer drive, works nicely. My ancient CD-ROM may still be connected... Oh, duh, try the other drive. |
| 22:49.23 | RobHu | I want to do an unattended install of ssh on a box - if I do apt-get install -y ssh it loads whip tail and pauses to ask me questions about which sshd options :S How can I make it accept the defaults? |
| 22:49.41 | RobHu | iLLf8d: It's the loopback |
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| 22:49.54 | iLLf8d | 127.0.0.1 is usually that a new thing? |
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| 22:50.05 | freeone3000 | Oh, hello, that's the problem. |
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| 22:50.11 | freeone3000 | It's wodim, not cdrecord |
| 22:50.21 | RobHu | iLLf8d: OH - my bad |
| 22:50.31 | iLLf8d | its on debian and in ubuntu too |
| 22:50.36 | iLLf8d | when did that happen? |
| 22:51.05 | iLLf8d | dunno if it was there by default or if something I added made the change |
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| 22:52.29 | iLLf8d | not finding a why in google anywhere either |
| 22:52.58 | eth1r | iLLf8d: does it really matter? I'm pretty sure 127.0.1.1 is still loopback |
| 22:53.03 | freeone3000 | So. Any ideas why wodim is complaining about unable to load the scsi drivers? |
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| 22:53.29 | iLLf8d | eth1r yeah kinda does I'll keep searching |
| 22:53.40 | peterS | freeone3000: what are you using for the 'dev=' parameter? anything? |
| 22:54.08 | freeone3000 | peterS: 1,0,0, as gotten from `wodim -scanbus` as root for the bottom drive. |
| 22:54.28 | iLLf8d | ah I found an article thats talking about vserver must be a spinoff to accomodate that |
| 22:54.39 | peterS | freeone3000: usually easier and more reliable to use 'dev=/dev/cdrom' style syntax. it uses a more modern access method, and is easier to remember too |
| 22:54.55 | freeone3000 | Ah. Mmkays, I'm trying that. |
| 22:55.21 | shmulik | I've got a MacBook Pro and the Atheros wifi card is not getting any DHCP leases from APs in the area (although it seems to be able to see them). Also, lspci returns: "Atheros Communications, Inc.: Unknown device 001c (rev 01)" |
| 22:55.25 | freeone3000 | `cdrecord: No such file or directory. Cannot open '/dev/cdrom0'. Cannot open SCSI driver.` |
| 22:55.37 | freeone3000 | Oh. DUH. >.> |
| 22:55.39 | freeone3000 | Ignore that. Please. |
| 22:55.51 | freeone3000 | Well, that worked better. |
| 22:55.54 | peterS | freeone3000: for dev=1,0,0 syntax, you need the 'sg' kernel module to be loaded. I'm not sure if that's your original problem or not. but 'dev=/dev/whatever' won't require this |
| 22:55.56 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
| 22:55.59 | peterS | cool |
| 22:56.11 | iLLf8d | eth1r, important to remember that cause it might messup a few service configurations |
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| 22:56.52 | peterS | freeone3000: in fact in /etc/default/wodim you can put "CDR_DEVICE=cdrom" and "cdrom= /dev/whatever -1 -1 burnfree" lines, then you'll never have to use a dev= parameter again |
| 22:57.30 | epsilon | how secure is phpbb2 in debian package? Can I run it on a webserver without being worried? |
| 22:58.07 | peterS | epsilon: I wouldn't run anything of that nature "without being worried". debian patches security holes as they are discovered, but phpbb doesn't have a wonderful record, so you have to wonder if holes will be discovered in the future |
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| 22:58.41 | epsilon | thought that :/ |
| 22:58.45 | asciiart | hi |
| 22:58.57 | asciiart | how i can install a previous version of xorg? now I have xorg 7 and I need Xorg 6.8, I need make this to solve this problem -> (II) fglrx(0): driver needs X.org 6.8.x.y with x.y >= 99.8 |
| 22:58.59 | peterS | epsilon: then again I might be spewing outdated FUD. I do not follow these things closely. |
| 23:00.42 | epsilon | peterS: I read more stuff about phpbb than I want in security/disclosure mailinglists :( |
| 23:00.42 | iLLf8d | epsilon, think backup and recovery plan for webserver stuff |
| 23:00.53 | peterS | epsilon: yeah :/ |
| 23:01.12 | wols_ | asciiart: get a newwer ati driver? |
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| 23:01.35 | wols_ | asciiart: apt is not designed to downgrade. at all. YOu'd neeed to do it manually |
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| 23:01.39 | epsilon | any effective way to use these stuff (board, wiki) in secure environment? |
| 23:01.46 | peterS | epsilon: anyway, debian does not by default give you any kind of snazzy SELinux or chroot or other kinds of quarantining for apache and php, so phpBB is just as secure or insecure on debian as you'd expect |
| 23:01.53 | wols_ | shmulik: update-pciids and lspci should know it |
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| 23:02.28 | asciiart | wols_: but ati do not have a driver with xorg 7 support :-/ |
| 23:02.36 | epsilon | I was thinking of running apache in a debootstrap, but not sure if it helps much |
| 23:03.22 | freeone3000 | Booyah! |
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| 23:03.45 | shmulik | wols_: That didn't do it. |
| 23:03.46 | peterS | Booyah? |
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| 23:04.06 | freeone3000 | "This product has been produced by or under license from Sega Enterprises." root @ localhost ~# |
| 23:05.42 | wols_ | shmulik: what version of fglrx? |
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| 23:06.41 | shmulik | wols_: OpenGL version string: 1.2 (1.5 Mesa 6.4.1) is that what you want? |
| 23:06.50 | shmulik | How does that relate to my Atheros card *at all*? |
| 23:07.32 | th0ger | Hi! Is it possible to print a range of elements in awk without specifying each element? Something like {print start-to-end} instead of {print $5, $6, ... $700} |
| 23:07.38 | wols_ | shmulik: oops. I meant asciiart, sry |
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| 23:08.09 | wols_ | asciiart: what version of fglrx? Cause current ubuntu has 7.0 too and I'm not aware of fglrx not working |
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| 23:09.06 | asciiart | uhm |
| 23:09.22 | asciiart | 8.25.18 |
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| 23:09.34 | k31th | I have a deb file here can i use apt to install it so it will greb the needed deps? |
| 23:09.37 | k31th | grab |
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| 23:11.14 | freeone3000 | Yes. |
| 23:11.17 | freeone3000 | dpkg -i thing |
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| 23:12.17 | freeone3000 | Hm, apt-file seems to not be showing the contents of gcc-sh-linux |
| 23:13.01 | argonel | if ALSA and OSS are built into the same kernel, will both work? |
| 23:13.21 | freeone3000 | Just have OSS emulation in ALSA. |
| 23:13.54 | freeone3000 | Ah, that's why! I installed it from RPM. |
| 23:13.54 | pipeline | argonel: No. |
| 23:14.01 | argonel | freeone3000: i didn't know that alsa could emulate oss when i built the kernel |
| 23:14.09 | pipeline | argonel: Well, maybe. But only one driver can be used at a time per card. |
| 23:14.25 | argonel | pipeline: so is it first-come, first served? or do i have to build a new kernel to get rid of oss? |
| 23:14.37 | argonel | i should have used modules so i could just unload |
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| 23:15.13 | Guerin | argonel: use a debian kernel |
| 23:15.23 | argonel | Guerin: i'd rather not |
| 23:16.02 | Guerin | argonel: if you don't have a better reason than 'rather' then #debian generally would rather not bother to support it |
| 23:16.51 | Guerin | argonel: but, basically, sound is something which should always be modular |
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| 23:16.52 | argonel | Guerin: i don't want an initrd, i want most of the necessary drivers built into the kernel. last i looked my ide floppy drive wasn't supported by the vanilla kernel. |
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| 23:17.05 | libertad0 | hi |
| 23:17.13 | libertad0 | I have problems installing nvidia drivers |
| 23:17.27 | libertad0 | that is the message : "error: too few arguments to function 'agp_backend_acquire'" |
| 23:17.28 | Guerin | libertad0: /msg dpkg nvidia one liner |
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| 23:18.07 | amphi | "those that give up essential liberty for video drivers, deserve neither liberty nor video drivers" |
| 23:18.38 | argonel | Guerin: yes, using drivers certainly would have eased this situation. what i'm trying to figure out is if i have to rebuild or if just rebooting and demanding alsa first instead of oss will get me audio |
| 23:18.54 | libertad0 | But!!. my girlfriend want play games |
| 23:19.08 | libertad0 | And I don't want install Windows |
| 23:19.12 | libertad0 | Please |
| 23:19.12 | amphi | libertad0: go to it ;) |
| 23:19.15 | libertad0 | Help me |
| 23:19.25 | Guerin | argonel: doubtful. OSS plays merry havoc with alsa. |
| 23:19.26 | libertad0 | amphi: what!!! |
| 23:19.29 | Guerin | libertad0: i did. |
| 23:19.37 | Guerin | amphi: winnar! |
| 23:20.14 | libertad0 | She wan play 3d games, And my legacy card (TNT2) need the privative driver |
| 23:20.18 | libertad0 | Someone help me? |
| 23:20.21 | libertad0 | "error: too few arguments to function 'agp_backend_acquire'" |
| 23:20.28 | Guerin | libertad0: I *did* fucking help you |
| 23:20.36 | Guerin | libertad0: now go and read what I told you |
| 23:20.49 | libertad0 | :| |
| 23:20.55 | amphi | libertad0: be more 3d ;) |
| 23:21.05 | argonel | Guerin: ok, so on a tangential question, when i run `make xconfig` it complains that every line in System.map is bad... "/boot/System.map-2.6.17:22981:warning: unexpected data" |
| 23:21.24 | libertad0 | thanx for nothing |
| 23:21.27 | Guerin | argonel: eew, xconfig. Does menuconfig complain similarly? |
| 23:21.37 | argonel | Guerin: hmm, unsure |
| 23:21.41 | Guerin | argonel: i've never seen that error, but would be inclined to ignore it if things still work. |
| 23:22.30 | amphi | libertad0: I don't have an nvidia card, and Guerin pointed you at some destructions... |
| 23:22.41 | dan2 | abrotman: wb |
| 23:22.49 | dan2 | abrotman: where the hell were you? |
| 23:23.27 | argonel | Guerin: well no, xconfig doesn't appear to load any settings from the config. perhaps my usage isn't supported anymore.. you used to be able to point to the config for any kernel and it would load |
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| 23:24.21 | libertad0 | amphi: ok |
| 23:24.44 | Guerin | argonel: if you copy the file to /usr/src/whatever/.config, it should work. Try menuconfig or oldconfig and see what gives. |
| 23:25.20 | devicenull | is there a place I can get the boot stuff from the netinst cd? |
| 23:25.26 | devicenull | without actually downloading the iso?> |
| 23:25.39 | Guerin | devicenull: plenty of places; ask in #debian-boot |
| 23:25.45 | Guerin | (if it still exists) |
| 23:27.50 | aeronadix | devicenull, debian.org |
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| 23:28.37 | argonel | Guerin: it appears that menuconfig works where xconfig does not |
| 23:28.57 | Guerin | argonel: that's often the case. |
| 23:29.04 | Guerin | !make xconfig |
| 23:29.04 | dpkg | No, don't. Don't make gconfig either. Make menuconfig like a sane person. Please, think of the penguins. |
| 23:29.16 | argonel | you'd think after all these years someone would have made a gui kernel configurator that works |
| 23:29.26 | aeronadix | menuconfig is gui |
| 23:29.29 | argonel | menuconfig has a terrible interface |
| 23:29.32 | aeronadix | and it works |
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| 23:29.40 | Guerin | argonel: since linus made that one, i'm not sure of your point. |
| 23:30.09 | argonel | Guerin: last i checked linus did not specialize in HCI |
| 23:30.28 | aeronadix | argonel, I thinks its excellent, but I don't know, you want some wicked ass graphics to compile a kernel or some shit, me be some banner and commercials too |
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| 23:30.52 | Guerin | argonel: no, but it's not necessary. Kernel config shouldn't be undertaken by people who need to be goddled by a shiny gui with clippy. |
| 23:31.13 | argonel | i'd be happy with accelerators that didn't conflict |
| 23:31.21 | Guerin | there are more important places for HCI geniuses to spend their time between lates |
| 23:31.33 | Guerin | s/t/tt/ |
| 23:34.10 | argonel | well, it could be worse.. it could emulate `info` |
| 23:34.19 | Guerin | heh |
| 23:36.04 | argonel | hmm, maybe this is related to my recent migration to 2.4 |
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| 23:38.06 | fdsd | does anyone know if its possible to give gpm a normal looking cursor instead of a square box? |
| 23:38.09 | argonel | Guerin: from time to time i get "lsof: WARNING: can't stat() ext2 file system /dev/.static/dev Output information may be incomplete." Does this mean anything to you? |
| 23:39.32 | argonel | perhaps .static should be readable by all? |
| 23:39.38 | Guerin | argonel: that looks like udev being stupid, probably as a result of a broken kernel. |
| 23:39.52 | Guerin | but I don't know; you'd better ask someone else about it. |
| 23:40.07 | Guerin | fdsd: anything's possible |
| 23:40.21 | fdsd | Guerin, do you think its been done before? |
| 23:40.35 | Guerin | fdsd: Ecclesiastes: There is nothing new under the sun. |
| 23:40.53 | fdsd | Guerin, sure there is |
| 23:41.02 | argonel | oh boy |
| 23:41.31 | Ebru_Labadon | I installed a copy if firefox for windows using wine, the instended use is being able to use flash9, quicktime etc. I downloaded quicktime installer but I can't run it. I used wine /path/to/qtinstaller.exe and got this error: |
| 23:41.40 | Guerin | fdsd: given that that statement is ~4,000 years old, I think you can give a little wiggle room |
| 23:41.55 | Ebru_Labadon | FDICopy() failed: code 11 [User aborted] |
| 23:42.07 | Ebru_Labadon | but I didn't abort anything |
| 23:42.16 | fdsd | Guerin, that was before the days of computers |
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| 23:42.19 | pipeline | argonel: err, well, god knows what would happen if you compiled them both in statically. |
| 23:42.27 | pipeline | argonel: that smells like a race condition :) |
| 23:42.29 | Guerin | Ebru_Labadon: what you're doing is an abortion, and is doomed to fail. If you want to use windows, just fucking use windows. |
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| 23:42.53 | pipeline | Ebru_Labadon: buy crossover office and you can use quicktime inside your linux browser. |
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| 23:43.09 | pipeline | Ebru_Labadon: flash, however, should work inside a windows firefox just fine. It'll just be very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very slow. |
| 23:43.57 | argonel | pipeline: that always occurs when i issue lsof as myself, but never when root. /dev/.static is 0700 |
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| 23:46.31 | pipeline | argonel: I have no idea what ou're talking about. |
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| 23:47.08 | NaufraGo | how do I install the alsa-modules ? |
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| 23:47.44 | Ebru_Labadon | guerin: I don't want to fucking use windows, I want to fucking be fucking able to fucking play fucking flash 9 and quicktime anifucingmations and gamefuckers :P |
| 23:47.44 | argonel | pipeline: can you stat /dev/.static and tell me what the first number on the first access line is? |
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| 23:48.17 | NaufraGo | how do I install the alsa-modules ? |
| 23:48.30 | Guerin | Ebru_Labadon: for that, you want to fucking use windows, since it only fucking works reliably on fucking windows. |
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| 23:48.45 | Ebru_Labadon | pipeline, thx. flash does work, the prob is quicktime (no biggie anyway, not so many sites require a quicktime player) |
| 23:48.53 | Guerin | Ebru_Labadon: and in any case, it's none of our fucking concernm, since this isn';t #shitty-non-free-retardware |
| 23:49.24 | NaufraGo | alsaconf? |
| 23:49.35 | Ebru_Labadon | guerin, you realize that ppl with that attitude are exactly what keeps users from switching? |
| 23:49.53 | jelly-home | Ebru_Labadon: Crossover Office does a good job of making shockwave and IE6 run running under Linux. |
| 23:50.17 | Ebru_Labadon | jelly I'll take a look at that, thx |
| 23:50.31 | argonel | Ebru_Labadon: or you could wait until the software works on your target platform |
| 23:50.33 | NaufraGo | can anybody help me?? ..god |
| 23:50.40 | Ebru_Labadon | (I'm not gonna use IE, anyway) |
| 23:50.42 | jelly-home | Ebru_Labadon: it's Wine, commercialy packaged and supported. |
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| 23:51.07 | Ebru_Labadon | well I do have wine... maybe I should ask on #winehq |
| 23:51.45 | NaufraGo | how do I configure alsa-modules ? |
| 23:52.41 | jelly-home | Ebru_Labadon: it depends on how much time you want to spend on making it run. I made an estimate based on previous experiences with wine, my hourly wage, and shelled out $40 for Crossover. I'm very glad I did. ;-) |
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| 23:53.11 | argonel | NaufraGo: perhaps a more verbose description of what you're trying to accomplish would allow someone to provide better info for you |
| 23:53.24 | Guerin | Ebru_Labadon: no, what keeps people from switching is the fact that content providers see no reason to make their product available to non-windows/mac OSes because idiots like you continue to use their proprietary software. |
| 23:54.06 | pipeline | Ebru_Labadon, jelly-home : Well, they also sell a wrapper that allows you to use certain plugins in your native browser. |
| 23:54.07 | jelly-home | Guerin: I hope you're not saying that you have to be an idiot to use proprietary software. |
| 23:54.23 | NaufraGo | I installed alsa-modules-2.4.27-2-386 and I want to configure it, is it clear? |
| 23:54.29 | Guerin | jelly-home: to use it by choice, yeah. |
| 23:54.53 | Ebru_Labadon | guerin, can't you try to say what you think without insulting? |
| 23:55.01 | Guerin | NaufraGo: install alsa-base and alsa-utils; you probably would prefer to run a 2.6 kernel;, which has alsa built in |
| 23:55.11 | Guerin | Ebru_Labadon: but that *is* what I think. |
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| 23:55.29 | jelly-home | pipeline: yeah, well, I've had less stellar experiences with that. One doesn't want to start an instance of Wine when casually stumbling on a page with shockwave or Quicktime. |
| 23:55.47 | Ebru_Labadon | OK, you have the right to think whatever you want, of course, but plz don't insult. |
| 23:55.52 | NaufraGo | when I install kernel 2.6, it disconfigures my system |
| 23:56.10 | Guerin | Ebru_Labadon: thanksfully, I also have a right to *say* whatever I want. |
| 23:56.15 | jelly-home | pipeline: also, some pages didn't work properly in crossover plugin, but did in ie6. |
| 23:56.34 | enouf | !shaddup Ebru_Labadon |
| 23:57.29 | jelly-home | Guerin: you also have a right to be polite. |
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| 23:58.03 | Guerin | jelly-home: Yes. I often choose to exercise that right, too. |
| 23:58.09 | jelly-home | ;-) |
| 23:58.55 | eth1r | peeps... two pcs connected over a cross over cable should have 255.255.255.0 netmasks right? |
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| 23:59.45 | jelly-home | eth1r: it doesn't really matter as long as it's (bitwise) larger or equal to 255.255.255.252 and the same on both sides. |
