| 00:00.24 | nvz | ugly: I say lots of stupid things, maybe you should be weary of learning by example |
| 00:00.38 | txgrease | < ugly> nvz: I bet you say DNS server though :P |
| 00:00.56 | txgrease | DNS is Domain Name System if I am not mistaken |
| 00:01.02 | txgrease | so DNS server is still correct |
| 00:01.08 | systemerror | can anyone help me? |
| 00:01.10 | ugly | domain name system server |
| 00:01.11 | systemerror | i have a debian sarge with gcc 3.3.5, how can i update to gcc 4.1.1? |
| 00:01.13 | ugly | sounds redundant to me |
| 00:01.47 | simonrvn | not really |
| 00:01.50 | txgrease | sytem is the entire system as a whole, the DNS network, not system as in physical system/server it is installed on |
| 00:01.52 | enouf | so does "dead corpse" |
| 00:02.27 | simonrvn | not really. could be live corpse; someone who's so passed out that you can't wake them up ;p |
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| 00:02.41 | Miraterre-J | adding ext3 to modules did not help the bad rdisk, it fails long before that phase |
| 00:02.56 | Miraterre-J | but the good rdisk seems to have a new message about ext3 |
| 00:03.53 | enouf | nvz: happy thoughts only ... :_) |
| 00:04.06 | dvs | nvz: mail a slice here! |
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| 00:04.19 | nvz | yeah my happy thoughts are of picking up my paycheck in the morning |
| 00:04.21 | enouf | simonrvn: no such thing |
| 00:04.30 | dvs | nvz: Oh? Is it THE pizza slice from that place? |
| 00:04.44 | nvz | dvs: nope some cheap frozen pizza |
| 00:04.56 | enouf | nvz: that's all you need .. |
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| 00:05.08 | nvz | enouf: not all I need, but its a start. |
| 00:05.10 | enouf | paycheck! |
| 00:05.26 | simonrvn | enouf: then you have partied as hard as i have (long time ago, in my bad old days) |
| 00:05.30 | simonrvn | haven't* |
| 00:05.39 | enouf | to achieve happy thoughts |
| 00:06.01 | enouf | simonrvn: yes indeed! and then some |
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| 00:06.08 | Miraterre-J | what controls the creation of my initrd when I rebuild the kernel? |
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| 00:06.18 | libervisco | Hi |
| 00:06.25 | simonrvn | Miraterre-J: ok. hmm, i'd add ext3 to /etc/initramfs-tools/modules anyway. mkinitramfs does |
| 00:06.31 | nvz | I can achive money with a paycheck happy thoughts come from happy cows.. oh wait.. thats a different commercial |
| 00:06.41 | libervisco | is one CD for etch enough to get started with Debian? |
| 00:06.45 | libervisco | etch that is |
| 00:06.49 | dvs | libervisco: yes |
| 00:06.59 | dvs | libervisco: if you have a fast internet connection |
| 00:07.11 | libervisco | well sort of fast :) |
| 00:07.17 | libervisco | Does it have X? |
| 00:07.19 | enouf | someone post some pr0n ... quick! |
| 00:07.20 | dvs | libervisco: DSL or cable is fine |
| 00:07.30 | nvz | if'n I am lucky Bonnie will be comming in the morning to brighten up my day of having to work with trish and he whore stench all night |
| 00:07.37 | libervisco | I have satelite DSL for download |
| 00:07.38 | simonrvn | libervisco: no, you install that after |
| 00:07.39 | dvs | libervisco: On the first disk, no but you can get the rest over the internet |
| 00:07.43 | libervisco | 384kbit/s |
| 00:07.44 | harmfool | t2 i think is fine |
| 00:07.59 | nvz | or at least half the night.. I dont think trish will be comming in later after I get there |
| 00:08.00 | libervisco | alright |
| 00:08.01 | enouf | Bonnie ? ... hrmm .. female ... yummy ? |
| 00:08.12 | Guerin | wtf, nazi pope bags mohammed |
| 00:08.13 | libervisco | I guess it's better than netinstall... |
| 00:08.21 | dvs | libervisco: yup |
| 00:08.26 | nvz | yeah she's the only cool one there. |
| 00:08.37 | simonrvn | Guerin: so sucks so hard he creates a vacuum when he walks |
| 00:08.50 | enouf | Guerin: wtf ??? |
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| 00:09.42 | Guerin | enouf: pope benedict xvi, who was in the hitler youth as a child, has said in a speech in germany that the prophet mohammed's teachings have brought only evil |
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| 00:09.53 | nvz | damn pizza doesnt fit in my toaster oven when its frozen :-/ |
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| 00:10.04 | simonrvn | look who's fucking talking... |
| 00:10.10 | harmfool | lol |
| 00:10.42 | nvz | "sucks so hard he creates a vaccume when he walks" heh I'll have to remember that one |
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| 00:11.00 | enouf | nvz : 8" pizza and 7" toaster ? ...'ve heard it before ...hehe |
| 00:11.00 | Guerin | nvz: schloop, schloop, schloop - like a great old one |
| 00:11.01 | anarcat | lo |
| 00:11.07 | simonrvn | hi |
| 00:11.12 | asg | Guerin: :F |
| 00:11.14 | cafuego | nvz: One word: calzone. |
| 00:11.17 | nvz | thats not in my insult list |
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| 00:11.26 | Guerin | !:E |
| 00:11.26 | dpkg | Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn! |
| 00:11.32 | nvz | cafuego: yeah well I got an oven.. but the toaster oven is quicker |
| 00:11.48 | enouf | nvz: microwave is quicker |
| 00:11.55 | asg | er NZ |
| 00:12.00 | enouf | but sux0rs |
| 00:12.06 | nvz | enouf: eww, microwave ruins stuff.. especially pizza |
| 00:12.17 | anarcat | hello |
| 00:12.18 | harmfool | lol |
| 00:12.27 | nvz | enouf: you dont cook with a microwave.. its more of a warming device |
| 00:12.27 | anarcat | backports.org says that they uploaded dspam |
| 00:12.31 | anarcat | seems like they lie |
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| 00:12.36 | enouf | ^^^^^^^ |
| 00:12.41 | anarcat | i can't download the source or the i386 package |
| 00:12.49 | cafuego | nvz: Yes you do. steamed vegetables & steamed fish. |
| 00:13.14 | enouf | Guerin: fsck the pope bullcrap -- hows about that inkjet mod ? |
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| 00:13.17 | nvz | cafuego: yeah well vegetables can be cooked that way but even still you run risk of blowing them up |
| 00:13.20 | asg | anarcat: if worse comes to worse, try a /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
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| 00:13.49 | cafuego | nvz: if you needlessly put all stuff in on high for 15 minutes, sure. |
| 00:13.51 | harmfool | or you can fire up your house |
| 00:13.58 | ppxxpp | when I apt-get dist-upgrade in my debian this morning, I can't come into the Xwindow. |
| 00:14.07 | ppxxpp | anybodt can help me? |
| 00:14.09 | Guerin | enouf: i've decided to ignore it and hope |
| 00:14.19 | anarcat | asg: thanks |
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| 00:14.32 | nvz | cafuego: the power settings on a microwave really dont trottle the power, its more of a percentage of time.. cooking at 50% just makes it shut off the microwave half the time |
| 00:14.38 | Guerin | I'm 67 hours into the 72-hour research essay and it's almost finished |
| 00:14.38 | anarcat | what i don't understand is this: http://lists.backports.org/lurker/message/20060908.194616.e282a135.en.html |
| 00:14.40 | harmfool | op |
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| 00:14.42 | cafuego | nvz: correct, |
| 00:14.45 | anarcat | "package good, uploaded, thanks." |
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| 00:15.04 | cafuego | nvz: That doesn't mean you have no choice but to blow up your vegetables, though. |
| 00:15.08 | libervisco | any chance there are i686 CDs available? |
| 00:15.32 | asg | Guerin: and your thesis is? "nvz's cooking tips; or how I learned to love da bomb" |
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| 00:15.38 | libervisco | with packages compiled for i686? |
| 00:15.42 | nvz | cafuego: *shrug* I've been eating canned veggies lately and all you really gotta do is warm em up anyhow |
| 00:15.54 | asg | libervisco: install a -686 kernel and libc6-686. |
| 00:16.04 | asg | libervisco: if that isn't enough for you, then go use gentoo |
| 00:16.05 | Guerin | asg: heh. defending a pre-9/11 qupote by our PM that New Zealand lives in an incrediby benign strategic environment |
| 00:16.08 | cafuego | nvz: they're too sloppy; I like mine to have crunch! |
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| 00:16.16 | Guerin | asg: intrels |
| 00:16.18 | asg | Guerin: ah, are you winning? |
| 00:16.23 | libervisco | asg, hehe no way I'm gonna wait gentoo compiles ;) |
| 00:16.25 | Guerin | asg: i always do. |
| 00:16.34 | asg | Guerin: of course |
| 00:16.50 | libervisco | I use Arch atm which has i686 packs |
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| 00:16.57 | libervisco | but it's not a really big deal |
| 00:17.00 | nvz | cafuego: eww :P.. I dont care much for crunchy veggies.. I only like carrots and stuff when they are cooked tender and drowning in butter |
| 00:17.01 | asg | libervisco: then the 2% you may get from compiling everything will not be a great loss. |
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| 00:17.14 | libervisco | yeah |
| 00:17.30 | cafuego | nvz: ie: when all nutrients have been removed and fat has been added? ;-) |
| 00:17.36 | hburchey | How do I list the contents of a directory when using ftp? I've tried 'ls' and 'dir' but they don't work. |
| 00:17.37 | simonrvn | and salt |
| 00:17.39 | nvz | cafuego: yeah that's the idea |
| 00:17.43 | nvz | cafuego: now you're getting it |
| 00:18.06 | simonrvn | hburchey: should be, unless you don't have permission to do so |
| 00:18.22 | asg | hburchey: does it return an error or just hang? |
| 00:18.46 | cafuego | speaking of eating... |
| 00:18.59 | nvz | cafuego: I dont consider health too much when cooking.. of course I am 23 and fairly healthy right now.. usually that sort of thinking is hind sight |
| 00:19.06 | hburchey | SimAtWork, AsA: http://rafb.net/paste/results/ndt1C388.html |
| 00:19.17 | simonrvn | um, that sort of thing should be right now |
| 00:19.21 | nvz | people dont think about eating healthy until they have health problems |
| 00:19.41 | simonrvn | eating ok helps to prevent some of those problems |
| 00:19.46 | hburchey | SimAtWork, AsA: It appears to complete successfully, but it doesn't list any files even though I know that that directory isn't empty. |
| 00:20.03 | asg | hburchey: that looks to me like someone misconfigured something |
| 00:20.05 | simonrvn | hburchey: who are you talking to? |
| 00:20.14 | nvz | yeah tell me about it.. a better combination of diet and exercize might keep me from waking up screaming because my muscles are in knotts :P |
| 00:20.20 | asg | hburchey: instead of running /bin/ls, it's downloading it. |
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| 00:20.27 | simonrvn | oh crap |
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| 00:20.42 | nvz | I exercize, but its not routine.. and when I have a more active day it hurts later |
| 00:20.53 | simonrvn | bbiab |
| 00:21.00 | Random | hi ... how do you find out the files that where installed with a package |
| 00:21.02 | Random | ? |
| 00:21.10 | dvs | Random: dpkg -L |
| 00:21.11 | asg | simonrvn: see ya SimAtWork, luv AsA |
| 00:21.12 | nvz | Random: dpkg -L |
| 00:21.38 | Random | thanks very much ... |
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| 00:23.27 | dendrite | Random: Check out the man pages for dpkg, apt-get and apt-cache. There's a lot you can do with all that. |
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| 00:25.44 | enouf | Guerin: see http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/PrinterModWideView.jpg and http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a217/iforone/PrinterModCLOSEUP.jpg |
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| 00:26.37 | merkasKN | hi |
| 00:26.48 | dvs | merkasKN: you're not leaving again? |
| 00:26.49 | merkasKN | anybody here who speaks german? |
| 00:27.35 | cafuego | merkasKN: Nein, keiner. |
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| 00:29.12 | ph00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:30.02 | ph00 | well, it does work, and it looks like I'm banned (why?!? I never joined that channel before) |
| 00:30.29 | ph00 | why I am I banned from a channel I never joined, where thy speak a language I don't even understand? |
| 00:30.56 | stoned | they don't like you |
| 00:31.04 | cafuego | Germans don't like you. |
| 00:33.11 | cafuego | ph00: You're probably banned because you're using tor. |
| 00:33.16 | cafuego | And rightly so. |
| 00:33.46 | pipeline | On that note |
| 00:33.50 | pipeline | Why isn't THIS channel banning tor users? |
| 00:34.07 | cafuego | Dunno. Why is that, peterS? |
| 00:34.26 | peterS | it's been considered |
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| 00:34.39 | peterS | I think freenode brass are generally opposed to things that drastic |
| 00:35.31 | simonrvn | just kidding |
| 00:35.45 | peterS | I have also considered banning *.sg at one time or another. I wouldn't actually do it, but it has sometimes been tempting |
| 00:35.51 | cafuego | simonrvn: GNAA on you! |
| 00:36.08 | cafuego | peterS: That would make phated unhappy, no? |
| 00:36.08 | dvs | cafuego: bite your tongue! |
| 00:36.09 | simonrvn | no, not gnaa. don't invkoe them |
| 00:36.16 | simonrvn | invoke |
| 00:36.32 | peterS | cafuego: seems she has a usercloak, so it wouldn't affect her |
| 00:36.33 | ph00 | cafuego: yes. may be. I didn't think of that. |
| 00:36.40 | Cuddles_in_K1 | ok folks, fresh sarge install, and i can't get xine to play movies in my dvd-rom drive. it says "there is no input plugin available to handle 'dvd:/'." so how do i fix this? |
| 00:36.51 | cafuego | peterS: Ah, easy then. Go for it ;-) |
| 00:37.10 | simonrvn | install the dvd gstremer plugin. |
| 00:37.19 | cafuego | Cuddles_in_K1: Install libdvdread3 and libdvdcss2 |
| 00:37.22 | peterS | cafuego: if they managed not to ban *.rima-tde.net a couple years ago, I guess we can live through the current wave of singnet.sg trolls |
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| 00:37.43 | cafuego | peterS: But my /ig list is getting *huge* |
| 00:37.56 | celebaby | lol |
| 00:38.07 | celebaby | am I in it? |
| 00:38.12 | peterS | heh |
| 00:38.15 | Cuddles_in_K1 | cafuego: already have both installed. |
| 00:38.29 | cafuego | Cuddles_in_K1: hrm |
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| 00:39.18 | Cuddles_in_K1 | so how do i fix it? |
| 00:39.38 | cafuego | Cuddles_in_K1: Do as simonrvn suggests. |
| 00:40.05 | simonrvn | er, not including typo |
| 00:40.16 | benkong2 | I want KDE instead of gnome oh rats |
| 00:40.18 | Cuddles_in_K1 | simonrvn: i'm really new to debian... what exactly should i apt-get? |
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| 00:40.41 | asg | benkong2: /msg dpkg install kde |
| 00:40.52 | benkong2 | sudo apt-get install libdvdread3 |
| 00:41.01 | peterS | cafuego: imacs can do pxe? |
| 00:41.09 | Cuddles_in_K1 | i've got libdvdread3 already. |
| 00:41.15 | benkong2 | ^^ will install the first package simonrvn told you about |
| 00:41.18 | simonrvn | !tell Cuddles_in_K1 about search |
| 00:41.30 | benkong2 | then do libdvdcss2 |
| 00:41.33 | simonrvn | hint, dvd gstreamer |
| 00:41.44 | Cuddles_in_K1 | i've got libdvdcss2 as well. |
| 00:41.54 | benkong2 | dpkg must be sick |
| 00:42.04 | jetscreamer | botabuse |
| 00:42.22 | cafuego | peterS: Well, they netboot if you hold down 'n' and fetch 'yaboot' from the tftp server. |
| 00:42.23 | Cuddles_in_K1 | e: couldn't find package |
| 00:42.43 | peterS | cafuego: right, ok. not pxe then, just regular old bootp/tftp |
| 00:42.53 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 00:43.03 | Cuddles_in_K1 | simonrvn: any other ideas? |
| 00:43.29 | simonrvn | actually read what the bot said first |
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| 00:44.18 | simonrvn | !+search |
| 00:44.19 | dpkg | from memory, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 00:44.19 | Cuddles_in_K1 | the bot hasn't said anything. |
| 00:44.27 | simonrvn | ^^ |
| 00:44.39 | cafuego | peterS: well yes |
| 00:44.41 | simonrvn | i told it to /msg something to you |
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| 00:44.57 | cafuego | there we go |
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| 00:45.18 | cafuego | peterS: http://www.cafuego.net/stuff/iMacEdubuntuArraySmall.jpg |
| 00:45.27 | Cuddles_in_K1 | ok, apt-cache search shows me gstreamer0.8-dvd. which i have already. |
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| 00:45.47 | peterS | cafuego: cute |
| 00:45.53 | Cuddles_in_K1 | so is there anything else i can try? |
| 00:46.52 | simonrvn | afk |
| 00:47.51 | Cuddles_in_K1 | anyone else? |
| 00:48.06 | celebaby | no comment |
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| 00:49.14 | celebaby | wired silence |
| 00:49.24 | Guerin | bah, what are the spellchecking packages in oo.o nowadays? |
| 00:49.42 | asg | Guerin: save as ascii and use aspell |
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| 00:51.41 | Guerin | yeah |
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| 00:53.36 | enouf | goes out to pickup a well-done ny sicilian pizza and small house salad -- yumm... bbl folks |
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| 00:54.54 | warex | how to lowercase a text using sed or something else? |
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| 00:57.09 | cafuego | tr '[A-Z]' '[a-z]' |
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| 00:57.22 | warex | thanx |
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| 01:00.29 | k-man | is there such a thing as a usb external dvd writer powered by the usb port? |
| 01:00.40 | zinx | k-man: probably not |
| 01:00.59 | k-man | zinx, oh well... it was worth asking |
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| 01:01.02 | k-man | i wish there was |
| 01:01.04 | k-man | i hate cables |
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| 01:01.13 | boss2 | does anyone have experience with logsentry? |
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| 01:05.14 | nvz | k-man: usb only has like 5v and not nearly enough amps to drive a burner |
| 01:05.28 | k-man | nvz, ok, fair enouggh |
| 01:05.40 | k-man | i still hate cables... but i guess i just have to live with it |
| 01:06.03 | nvz | or get an internal setup |
| 01:06.53 | k-man | its for a notebook in a docking station |
| 01:06.58 | k-man | so its not really that critical |
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| 01:08.56 | nvz | I'd buy one if I had the money and would actually use it productivly |
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| 01:09.31 | jetscreamer | i have a dock, but it doesn' |
| 01:09.35 | jetscreamer | t fit anything |
| 01:09.41 | jetscreamer | that i have |
| 01:10.03 | nvz | well for that Libretto the dock is pretty much just for the DVD writer.. and a port replicator |
| 01:10.21 | nvz | all it has as far as removable media goes is an sd card reader |
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| 01:10.31 | nvz | so its almost essential if you have one |
| 01:11.29 | Miraterre-J | I have a usb dvd writer powered by the port |
| 01:11.39 | nvz | o.O |
| 01:11.40 | Miraterre-J | newegg has many to choose from |
| 01:12.04 | Miraterre-J | but it doesn't work - draws too much power and triggers the port overload |
| 01:12.24 | nvz | yeah I was about to comment on the reliability of that power supply |
| 01:12.33 | Miraterre-J | has no ac power either, so the only way to use it is with a powered hub |
| 01:13.06 | nvz | saved me the effort of explaining in great detail why thats a terrible idea |
| 01:13.17 | Miraterre-J | yep |
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| 01:13.49 | Miraterre-J | hey, does anyone know where I can edit the default lcd brightness on my acpi notebook? |
| 01:13.51 | nvz | which is good because my knowledge in the electronics dept is a bit foggy anymore |
| 01:14.14 | Miraterre-J | I see stuff in boot/system.map but it's pretty cryptic |
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| 01:15.05 | jetscreamer | i went to troubleshoot my heater's pcb.. very small thing, not complicated at all... my point is: me too |
| 01:15.18 | nvz | the idea of a USB is great, but the design reveals much oversight when you look at how people are using it these days |
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| 01:15.37 | Angel-SL | how come when I su it spits out auth failure, when i sudo -s and passwd the same password? |
| 01:15.41 | asg | nvz: dildos? |
| 01:15.58 | nvz | asg: I think that would be a better use than some I have seen. |
| 01:16.16 | asg | Angel-SL: check /etc/pam.d/su |
| 01:16.23 | nvz | USB networking just makes me cringe |
| 01:16.23 | Angel-SL | oh and i did passwd root |
| 01:16.55 | jetscreamer | usb monitors oh boy? |
| 01:16.57 | asg | nvz: USB wireless isn't bad, though you end up with something sticking out of your system looking like Lemmy's mole. |
| 01:17.08 | nvz | and trying to power so many things off USB as though it were some kind of reliable power supply is just insane |
| 01:17.48 | Angel-SL | asg: what should i look for there? I *did* mess up the permissions once.. |
| 01:18.00 | Angel-SL | (the file permissions) |
| 01:18.06 | nvz | not to mention the various differing (especially mini) usb connectors makes the whole Universal part seem a bit laughable |
| 01:18.09 | Angel-SL | by doing chown gum / |
| 01:18.15 | Angel-SL | then /* |
| 01:18.18 | Angel-SL | and /*/* |
| 01:18.26 | Angel-SL | then reverted byu chown / |
| 01:18.35 | Angel-SL | then /* and /*/* |
| 01:18.41 | asg | Angel-SL: no, I was hinting at su's /etc/pam.d/ config being broken. Given your ramblings though, what exact problem are you having. |
| 01:19.10 | Angel-SL | the prob is that whenever i try to su, and give the *correct* [assword, it spits out auth failure |
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| 01:19.30 | Guerin | Angel-SL: what did you fuck with in pam? |
| 01:19.37 | nvz | when I think of USB I think of IBM's Universal Business Adapter commercials |
| 01:19.58 | asg | Angel-SL: then check /etc/pam.d/su. Did you enable the pam_wheel.so part? Is your user a member of the wheel group? |
| 01:19.59 | peterS | that contraption is a bit funny |
| 01:20.10 | nvz | yeah well USB is almost as laughable at times |
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| 01:20.52 | Angel-SL | asg: i didnt use the pam_wheel and my user is not a part of the wheel group |
| 01:21.07 | Angel-SL | but it used to qork |
| 01:21.10 | Angel-SL | work* |
| 01:21.19 | asg | Angel-SL: then what did you change to make it not work? |
| 01:21.23 | Angel-SL | that was before my permissions got messed up |
| 01:21.32 | nvz | well I am gonna go lay down for about an hour before I battle traffic |
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| 01:21.42 | Angel-SL | so i dont know wheres the problem now |
| 01:21.45 | lesterc | anyone running debian sid with a working postgres 8.1 installation? I think I hitted bug #364446 |
| 01:22.00 | Angel-SL | and i hope i dont need to reinstall debian |
| 01:22.00 | asg | Angel-SL: ls -l /bin/su |
| 01:22.18 | Angel-SL | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 23416 2006-08-12 07:24 /bin/su |
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| 01:22.27 | asg | Angel-SL: chmod 4755 /bin/su |
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| 01:22.47 | Angel-SL | ok |
| 01:22.55 | Angel-SL | with sudo -s that is |
| 01:23.08 | asg | Angel-SL: or as root |
| 01:23.18 | Angel-SL | eh? |
| 01:23.26 | Angel-SL | i did it using sudo -s |
| 01:23.59 | Angel-SL | great |
| 01:24.00 | Angel-SL | thanks |
| 01:24.02 | Angel-SL | works again |
| 01:24.15 | asg | Angel-SL: for future reference, i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 01:24.30 | asg | bah, /msg dpkg i frobbed my perms with chmod |
| 01:24.32 | Angel-SL | i frobbed my perms with chown |
| 01:24.45 | Angel-SL | well i frobbed it using chown |
| 01:25.03 | asg | Angel-SL: chown would not have caused the suid bit to be removed |
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| 01:25.26 | Angel-SL | will that command dpkg sent me help fix owner issues? |
| 01:25.48 | Angel-SL | gonna try it now |
| 01:25.56 | asg | Angel-SL: it will provide a daily output of the ownership and permissions on your system. From that list, you can at least hope to script some recovery. |
| 01:26.10 | Angel-SL | yes |
| 01:26.11 | Angel-SL | but |
| 01:26.16 | asg | Angel-SL: it won't help you if your system is fucked though (hence the 'Ouch' part of the message) |
| 01:26.19 | Angel-SL | now my permissions are still messed |
| 01:26.38 | Angel-SL | and it looks like ive only fixed the important parts |
| 01:26.47 | asg | Angel-SL: then you are likely to waste less time by just re-installing (after backing up volatile data of course) |
| 01:26.55 | Angel-SL | oh |
| 01:26.58 | Angel-SL | ok then |
| 01:27.18 | asg | Angel-SL: you might also try /msg dpkg reinstall |
| 01:27.43 | Angel-SL | nah |
| 01:27.43 | asg | Angel-SL: that should fix things in a much quicker way (at least default things) |
| 01:27.45 | mortal5 | is there a way to see all the dependencies for a package? |
| 01:27.49 | Angel-SL | nonono |
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| 01:27.53 | Angel-SL | i rather not reinstall |
| 01:27.58 | Angel-SL | i removed the monitor |
| 01:28.01 | Max_- | got a big problem here... we have a computer which one we can't format and it's infected with virus that makes it restart... we'd need a bootable CD with latest virus definitions... any suggestion on emergency CD I could make or download... ???? THANKS! |
| 01:28.10 | asg | Angel-SL: then /msg dpkg reinstall (it doesn't reinstall in the way you are thinking) |
| 01:28.29 | Angel-SL | what does it do then? |
| 01:28.33 | mortal5 | Max_-, knoppix is nice |
| 01:28.40 | mortal5 | oh wait |
| 01:28.42 | Angel-SL | so, i execute COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 01:28.43 | Angel-SL | as root? |
| 01:28.45 | mortal5 | virus scanner, right |
| 01:28.50 | Max_- | yes` |
| 01:29.08 | asg | Angel-SL: it downloads all packages you have installed and reinstalls them (generally in a manner that will fix perms, ownership, etc.) |
| 01:29.12 | asg | Angel-SL: yes, as root |
| 01:29.26 | Angel-SL | but the COLUMNS part |
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| 01:29.40 | Angel-SL | should it be included or not? |
| 01:29.42 | mortal5 | http://www.knoppix.net/wiki/Security_Live_CD |
| 01:29.45 | asg | Angel-SL: a simple hack to get around the fact that early dpkg versions don't output full package names. |
| 01:29.51 | mortal5 | Max_-, hit that link |
| 01:29.52 | asg | Angel-SL: yes, include it |
| 01:29.52 | dendrite | Angel-SL: That just makes sure the entire package name makes it to the awk command. |
| 01:29.59 | asg | Angel-SL: it's just an environment variable |
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| 01:30.00 | Angel-SL | ok. |
| 01:30.14 | Angel-SL | *cant looK* |
| 01:30.35 | Angel-SL | i hope it keeps my files |
| 01:30.36 | Angel-SL | lol |
| 01:30.38 | Angel-SL | eugh |
| 01:31.31 | Angel-SL | downloading lol |
| 01:31.40 | Max_- | mortal5, thanks I'm looking at this... hope it has a great virus scanner... |
| 01:32.18 | mortal5 | Max_-, clam av, basically the av scanner for linux |
| 01:32.40 | mortal5 | I think avg might have something out now as well |
| 01:34.18 | Angel-SL | asg: hmm...i'm still connected to the X server on that machine though. will it kill? |
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| 01:35.45 | asg | Angel-SL: no, it shouldn't |
| 01:35.53 | Angel-SL | ok |
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| 01:42.59 | Max_- | mortal5 .. avg doesn't seem to have emergency disks ready for download.... is clam only for linux? |
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| 01:43.33 | xplic1t | no it isn't clam win |
| 01:43.36 | mortal5 | Max_-, well you asked for a bootible recovery disk |
| 01:44.03 | mortal5 | that pretty much specifies linux |
| 01:44.16 | mortal5 | you asked for antivirus, that specifies clam |
| 01:44.31 | Max_- | ohh sorry... forgot to specify win.. :S |
| 01:45.02 | Max_- | I pasted the problem in many channels where I thought there could be competent people... but forgot to add the information for linux channels.. sorry |
| 01:45.03 | mortal5 | Max_-, I'm not aware of a bootible windows disk that has AV |
| 01:45.28 | mortal5 | in fact, I'm not aware of a win live disk |
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| 01:45.57 | Max_- | but mortal5, ... when I was playing around with linux years ago.. I never heard of virus nor antiviruses for linux!!... they succeded in creating linux viruses? |
| 01:46.08 | Max_- | thx anyway for the win problem.. |
| 01:46.26 | mortal5 | Max_-, yeah, there's about a grand total of 70 linux viruses out ther |
| 01:46.34 | mortal5 | but they're very rare |
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| 01:47.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Hi. I'm trying to find out the location of a USB device I have on my computer. |
| 01:47.26 | john | Digital_Pioneer: dmesg should give you a good idea |
| 01:47.32 | mortal5 | in fact, most of them are academic proof of concept, rather than actual malicous code |
| 01:48.17 | Digital_Pioneer | john: OK. What exactly is that a log of? |
| 01:48.29 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: your kernel |
| 01:48.39 | Digital_Pioneer | IC... |
| 01:48.44 | john | when you plug in a USB device |
| 01:48.58 | peterS | most times when modules load, they spit out something to the kernel log about what devices they found and whatnot |
| 01:49.10 | john | it should be at the bottom of the log saying "USB Device connected at sda" or something along them lines. |
| 01:49.35 | Digital_Pioneer | I just disconnected it and reconnected it, refreshed dmesg... |
| 01:50.06 | Digital_Pioneer | It disconnected from address 6 and reconnected to 7... |
| 01:50.39 | john | do you have something like this in the log.. when i plugged in my jump rive, i get |
| 01:50.43 | john | USB Mass Storage support registered. |
| 01:50.45 | john | SCSI device sda: 251904 512-byte hdwr sectors (129 MB) |
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| 01:50.55 | Max_- | mortal5 .. heheh okay.. fun.. well now we gotta install AV on our boxes just for their proof.. |
| 01:50.59 | Digital_Pioneer | Nothing of the sort. |
| 01:51.09 | peterS | he didn't say it was a usb _disk_ |
| 01:51.14 | Digital_Pioneer | I plug mine in and it says... |
| 01:51.15 | john | good point lol |
| 01:51.21 | Digital_Pioneer | usb 1-2: new full speed USB device using address 7 |
| 01:51.33 | peterS | what type of device is the, Digital_Pioneer? |
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| 01:51.41 | Digital_Pioneer | (I figure I can paste that much w/o using #flood. ;) |
| 01:51.59 | Digital_Pioneer | peterS, it's a digital camera. |
| 01:52.07 | Digital_Pioneer | As far as Debian is concerned. |
| 01:52.28 | Digital_Pioneer | Debian recognizes it as a digital camera, but it's a pretty useless one. The Windoze driver uses it as a webcam. |
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| 01:52.54 | jetscreamer | i found the dump of the bsod i got in the hp digital camera yesterday... it stores the error messages. |
| 01:53.07 | Digital_Pioneer | Simple story: I need to know what it's host:bus.addr is so I can tell Qemu to use it. |
| 01:53.19 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: does gphoto2 work with it? gphoto2 scans the whole usb bus automatically so you don't normally need to know anything about the address |
| 01:53.27 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: oh, 'lsusb' will tell _that_ |
| 01:53.51 | Digital_Pioneer | Ahhh!!!! Thanks! |
| 01:54.01 | Digital_Pioneer | Which column is bus.addr? |
| 01:54.12 | peterS | don't know what format you need it in |
| 01:54.20 | peterS | it gives you the bus number and the device number on the bus |
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| 01:55.11 | peterS | the bus _address_, in I/O space terms, you can extract using 'lspci -v', but I don't know if qemu needs that or what |
| 01:55.14 | Digital_Pioneer | BTW, what exactly is my host? |
| 01:55.39 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: your host controller is one of the lines you see in 'lspci | grep USB' |
| 01:56.13 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: it's the PCI chip responsible for talking to the USB root hubs (the ports built into the motherboard) |
| 01:56.39 | Digital_Pioneer | Uh-huh... I've got four lines. |
| 01:57.43 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: right so you probably have 6 physical USB ports, 2 ports per interface |
| 01:58.05 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: and the fourth one is the high-speed USB interface that drives some or all of the ports |
| 01:58.32 | peterS | USB is funny that way, you have two separate PCI interfaces that talk to the _same_ physical ports, one for low-speed devices and one for high-speed devices |
| 01:59.04 | Digital_Pioneer | OK, so how does that tell me the host and address? |
| 01:59.05 | Digital_Pioneer | LOL |
| 01:59.10 | Digital_Pioneer | (Sorry, I know I'm thick.) |
| 01:59.58 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: "the host" and "the address" are way too vague. you need to find out what information you _really_ need. for starters, though, you already know you have a high-speed device, so that tells you which PCI interface it uses since probably only one of them is high-speed |
| 02:00.06 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: to find out which, do 'lspci -v | grep EHCI' |
| 02:00.34 | Digital_Pioneer | I already see EHCI on here... |
| 02:00.42 | Digital_Pioneer | It's the fourth line. |
| 02:00.48 | peterS | that's the interface, then |
| 02:00.58 | Digital_Pioneer | Cool. |
| 02:00.59 | peterS | now you have to figure out what information about it QEMU really wants |
| 02:01.12 | Digital_Pioneer | Yeah... |
| 02:01.16 | jetscreamer | and we'll have fun fun fun now that... |
| 02:01.54 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: it may be that all it really needs is the bus number and the device number from 'lsusb'. I don't know. |
| 02:01.54 | Digital_Pioneer | Well all Qemu says is |
| 02:01.55 | Digital_Pioneer | (qemu) help usb_add |
| 02:01.55 | Digital_Pioneer | usb_add device -- add USB device (e.g. 'host:bus.addr' or 'host:vendor_id:product_id') |
| 02:02.17 | Digital_Pioneer | So it can be either format, I guess. |
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| 02:02.22 | peterS | Digital_Pioneer: note that 'vendor_id:product_id' is given by lsusb. that's the two 4-digit numbers. |
| 02:02.48 | Digital_Pioneer | OK! :D |
| 02:03.03 | jetscreamer | or not |
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| 02:06.24 | asg | jetscreamer: apt-get install usbview |
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| 02:14.06 | RawSushi | How would I go about installing an nVidia driver on Etch? |
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| 02:14.24 | RawSushi | Is it even possible? |
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| 02:15.53 | streuner_ | in most cases you don't need to |
| 02:16.02 | streuner_ | "nv" is just enough |
| 02:16.26 | streuner_ | or you use 'nvidia-glx' which is non-free |
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| 02:19.15 | tengulre11 | http://sial.org/pbot/19688 |
| 02:19.26 | streuner_ | what |
| 02:19.31 | streuner_ | what's that? |
| 02:19.36 | tengulre11 | error on my eth0 |
| 02:20.09 | streuner_ | use paster bot of this channel |
| 02:20.12 | streuner_ | !paste |
| 02:20.12 | dpkg | hmm... paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
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| 02:20.19 | tuv | RawSushi, get nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-source from unstable, and build the kernel module using module-assistant |
| 02:20.24 | kakume | how do I change the listen address for BIND? |
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| 02:20.49 | asg | kakume: you read the instructions of course |
| 02:21.07 | streuner_ | RawSushi: nvidia-glx isn't in etch atm, so just "/msg dpkg simple sid backport" if needed |
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| 02:21.10 | tuv | RawSushi, if you want nvidia's non-free driver, that is |
| 02:21.19 | RawSushi | yup |
| 02:21.31 | peterS | kakume: listen-on { 127.0.0.1; }; in /etc/bind/named.conf.local |
| 02:21.34 | kakume | asg: the instructions are MANY MANY pages long, and this should be something that a knowledgable person could answer. |
| 02:21.57 | kakume | peterS: thank you |
| 02:21.57 | asg | kakume: and we can. However, a non-knowledgable person should not be running bind. |
| 02:22.08 | tuv | RawSushi, it's easier to just get the needed packages from packages.debian.org |
| 02:22.41 | peterS | asg: I disagree, setting up bind9 in debian for something like a caching nameserver is pretty much fire-and-forget |
| 02:22.47 | tengulre11 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3752 |
| 02:22.58 | magyar | my famd process sometimes goes crazy, using 99% of resources. anyone knows why (sid)? |
| 02:23.50 | asg | peterS: sure, but shouldn't a caching nameserver by default bind to localhost only in that case? |
| 02:24.22 | asg | peterS: the majority of people setting one up would fall in that category I would wager |
| 02:24.31 | peterS | asg: most servers in debian don't default to localhost-only. whether they should or not, it's probably a distribution-wide question to be answered |
| 02:25.16 | asg | peterS: or at least one based on standard usage. |
| 02:25.30 | asg | peterS: among Debian based installations |
| 02:26.02 | peterS | asg: I suspect a lot of people want bind to listen on their NATted "local network" |
| 02:26.39 | kakume | peterS: great! that worked PERFECTLY, do you also know how to tell bind to not listen on an address? |
| 02:26.44 | asg | peterS: possibly. |
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| 02:27.15 | asg | peterS: I think a more minimal locked config + documentation would be preferrable but that's just me. |
| 02:27.22 | peterS | kakume: don't know. all I know how to do is to put in the list of IPs you want, separated by ; |
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| 02:27.37 | kakume | peterS: ok, thanks anyway |
| 02:28.33 | asg | peterS: I've often considered adding an extra man section for 'sane defaults: the how and why of not unduly sticking a fork in your head' |
| 02:29.14 | peterS | heh |
| 02:30.51 | kakume | peterS: ah, ok, i had that line you gave me commented out by mistake. if i dont put it in the listen-on statement, it doesnt listen on that address (heh)..... |
| 02:30.57 | Angel-SL | help |
| 02:31.04 | Angel-SL | i did apt-get remove tar |
| 02:31.08 | peterS | kakume: amazing how that works (: |
| 02:31.17 | asg | Angel-SL: erm, why? |
| 02:31.17 | tengulre11 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3752 |
| 02:31.26 | Angel-SL | asg: to replace it :( |
| 02:31.37 | Angel-SL | no replace option so i did it |
| 02:31.40 | peterS | Angel-SL: you should be able to reinstall it. dpkg includes its own implementation of tar |
| 02:31.49 | Angel-SL | nope |
| 02:32.32 | peterS | Angel-SL: hmm, it is 'Priority: required'. I think that means dpkg is supposed to warn you sternly before removing it. did it? |
| 02:32.39 | Angel-SL | it did |
| 02:32.42 | Angel-SL | i forced it |
| 02:32.44 | Angel-SL | nvm |
| 02:32.45 | peterS | yet you did it anyway (: |
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| 02:32.48 | asg | Angel-SL: you don't have pax installed do you? |
| 02:32.50 | Angel-SL | tar is GNU right? |
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| 02:32.57 | peterS | yes |
| 02:33.02 | Angel-SL | ok then |
| 02:33.15 | peterS | do you still have a /var/cache/apt/archives/tar_*.deb file? |
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| 02:33.17 | Angel-SL | asg: pax? |
| 02:33.26 | Angel-SL | peterS: yeah, but can;t install it |
| 02:33.46 | peterS | Angel-SL: so if you 'dpkg --install tar_whatever.deb' it fails? I could've sworn it used an internal implementation |
| 02:33.49 | wolaoye | it seems there are 2 methods to config sata hd, one is the native mode and another is scsi mode. which is better? |
| 02:33.56 | Angel-SL | failed |
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| 02:34.07 | Angel-SL | now what? |
| 02:34.13 | peterS | Angel-SL: are you on debian stable or unstable? |
| 02:34.18 | freeone3000 | Is opera in debian unstable, or must I get the .deb from their site? |
| 02:34.18 | Angel-SL | sarge |
| 02:34.38 | Angel-SL | sarge Release 3 |
| 02:35.17 | wolaoye | why would Linux config sata as scsi? any reason for that? |
| 02:35.37 | peterS | Angel-SL: you can pull down the /bin/tar binary from my site if you trust that I won't trojan your machine. this may not be a wise assumption given the randomness of IRC users |
| 02:35.47 | pstickne | wolaoye, SATA can use either the (P)ATA or SCSI layers (depending on how it's build); it's normal |
| 02:35.57 | Angel-SL | i dont truct you.. |
| 02:36.14 | peterS | smart guy. do you have the pax package installed? |
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| 02:36.14 | freeone3000 | ...There was a version of debian codenamed 'potato'. Interesting. |
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| 02:36.27 | peterS | freeone3000: yep, that was debian 2.1 |
| 02:36.41 | wolaoye | pstickne: the no. of partitions of scsi is small, 16, iirc. |
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| 02:36.56 | Angel-SL | peterS: how do i check? |
| 02:37.01 | peterS | Angel-SL: dpkg -l pax |
| 02:37.06 | pstickne | wolaoye, maybe your thinking devices per bus. |
| 02:37.07 | peterS | or just try running "pax" |
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| 02:37.16 | Angel-SL | no packages. |
| 02:37.21 | Angel-SL | :( |
| 02:37.33 | RawSushi | Okay I'm stuck here.. |
| 02:37.34 | pstickne | wolaoye, as MS-DOS-style partions are limited to 4 primary (doesn't matter on interface) |
| 02:37.36 | peterS | Angel-SL: very well, if you have another machine that runs debian of any sort, you can extract tar there |
| 02:37.43 | Angel-SL | this probaly means bad news |
| 02:37.43 | RawSushi | Apparently nvidia-glx is for XFree86 4.x |
| 02:37.54 | Angel-SL | i dont have another comp with deb |
| 02:38.04 | peterS | do you have another computer with unix of any kind? |
| 02:38.08 | Angel-SL | no |
| 02:38.10 | wolaoye | pstickne: are you using a sata hd? |
| 02:38.16 | pstickne | wolaoye, no. |
| 02:38.18 | Angel-SL | but if i'm correct |
| 02:38.21 | Angel-SL | i still have the cd |
| 02:38.27 | peterS | well, I don't know how to extract .deb files on arbitrary non-Unix systems |
| 02:38.32 | pstickne | wolaoye, it doesn't change how partions work though. |
| 02:38.33 | Angel-SL | so i can copy tar from the cd and pull it over |
| 02:38.33 | peterS | but on Unix systems it isn't that hard |
| 02:38.42 | TraceGreen | Hello, When i use lspci to check my wireless card, I don't get any info about it. but knoppix livecd can. although i load ipw2200 module to kernel. BTW, i don't use debian, may i ask question in this channel? |
| 02:38.54 | tuv | RawSushi, not the latest one from unstable. it's for xorg |
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| 02:39.09 | Noriega | hi |
| 02:39.23 | peterS | Angel-SL: the problem is that everything on the CD, except the boot files, is in .deb format, which requires tar |
| 02:39.24 | Noriega | does the amd64 installation have to come on 15 cds? :-S |
| 02:39.40 | peterS | Noriega: if you want all the software that debian ships, yes. if you don't, then no. |
| 02:39.45 | Noriega | ok |
| 02:39.47 | pstickne | Noriega, net install is like 130MB or so, make sure you have a fast connection ;) |
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| 02:40.07 | wolaoye | anywhere to get info on kernel-2.6.15 config for sata drive with Intel ICH5 controller? |
| 02:40.22 | Noriega | pstickne I do, but is there no way no get that 130 on cd? |
| 02:40.32 | pstickne | wolaoye, the (P)ATA section offers up a readme/notes file I think. |
| 02:40.38 | peterS | wolaoye: what about it? I'd use the scsi method, btw, in answer to your earlier question. the scsi-based drivers are better maintained these days |
| 02:40.39 | pstickne | wolaoye, in the kernel config |
| 02:40.47 | Angel-SL | peterS: doh. what I will do, is go to the cd's /bin and copy the tar over.. |
| 02:41.09 | ChompWizd | peterS: it's ar isn't it, not tar? |
| 02:41.13 | peterS | ChompWizd: both |
| 02:41.23 | pstickne | Noriega, there isn't a net-install CD for 64-bit targets? there is for 32 and I'd be really surprised if they didn't offer a 64 bit alternative. |
| 02:41.30 | peterS | Angel-SL: the CD doesn't have a /bin directory. it extracts one at boot time from its initrd image. so you'll have to extract _that_ first |
| 02:41.31 | CompWizrd | ah, gotcha |
| 02:41.54 | Angel-SL | peterS: then i'll download the bin from somewhere |
| 02:41.58 | peterS | CompWizrd: 'man 5 deb' |
| 02:42.00 | pstickne | Noriega, or you could use a 32-bit net install but choose a 64-bit kernel maybe? I'm not sure, I don't have 64 bits :) |
| 02:42.19 | tuv | RawSushi, i'm using unstable's nvidia-glx on my etch |
| 02:42.21 | peterS | Angel-SL: go for it. it's at http://p12n.org/tmp/tar but you already said you don't trust me |
| 02:42.41 | asg | peterS: he could use /bin/busybox for tar |
| 02:42.53 | Angel-SL | really? |
| 02:43.01 | peterS | asg: hmmm, if he has that installed |
| 02:43.01 | Noriega | here it was |
| 02:43.03 | Noriega | http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/unofficial/sarge-amd64/iso-cd/debian-31r3-amd64-netinst.iso |
| 02:43.04 | RawSushi | hmm |
| 02:43.05 | Noriega | gooood |
| 02:43.12 | asg | peterS: he should |
| 02:43.14 | RawSushi | okay...uh |
| 02:43.20 | Angel-SL | peterS: are you sure its safe? |
| 02:43.41 | pstickne | Angel-SL, yes. don't mind the razor in the apple. |
| 02:43.46 | peterS | Angel-SL: what, my copy of tar? I extracted it from the sarge package a few minutes ago. but you'd have to take my word for that |
| 02:43.47 | litage | i found this in entry in my logs. what does it mean?: http://rafb.net/paste/results/JlPedY89.html |
| 02:43.54 | wolaoye | peterS: i have tried both. i can get it to work as /dev/hde in the native mode, which is marked as deprecated in 2.6.15, but the dirve's response to command is very slow. i can't get it to work with the scsi driver. |
| 02:44.33 | peterS | Angel-SL: if you have the 'sash' or 'busybox' packages installed, those both probably include a tar implementation |
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| 02:44.44 | tuv | beautiful.. tar's source is packaged into a tar file! |
| 02:44.45 | peterS | though I'm not sure in the case of sash |
| 02:44.57 | peterS | tuv: in debian, sure it is. at ftp.gnu.org it is also a shar file |
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| 02:45.13 | Noriega | thanks |
| 02:45.14 | peterS | tuv: just as ftp.gnu.org gzip is shipped in both compressed and uncompressed forms |
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| 02:45.48 | struct | does debian run on hp true64? |
| 02:45.58 | peterS | struct: tru64 is the OS, not the hardware |
| 02:46.06 | tuv | peterS, wouldn't the shar source help Angel-SL ? |
| 02:46.09 | peterS | struct: the hardware is called 'Alpha AXP' or just 'Alpha' for short, and yes, debian runs on it |
| 02:46.27 | peterS | tuv: yeah if he wants to compile the whole thing and has the necessary development packages already installed. that's kind of a pain. |
| 02:46.30 | Angel-SL | tuv: wouldn't the source need un-taring? |
| 02:46.45 | Angel-SL | anyway |
| 02:46.46 | poopybutt | does any deb sid based distro run faster than the others or are they all about the same? |
| 02:46.47 | peterS | Angel-SL: see, the tar source from ftp.gnu.org is also packaged in a form that doesn't require tar (: |
| 02:46.53 | tuv | Angel-SL, un-sharing ;) |
| 02:46.58 | peterS | i.e., they thought of that |
| 02:46.58 | struct | peterS: thanks, is that the debian alpha project that runs on the hardware? |
| 02:47.07 | asg | poopybutt: in what context? |
| 02:47.18 | peterS | struct: yeah, http://www.debian.org/ports/alpha |
| 02:47.26 | poopybutt | asg: system performance |
| 02:47.33 | Angel-SL | yeah, but with peterS's help its all fix0red |
| 02:47.40 | poopybutt | asg: kanotix seems to run a bit sluggish for me in some applications |
| 02:47.41 | struct | peterS: thanks, i'm looking at that now |
| 02:47.57 | peterS | Angel-SL: cool, so just putting a working /bin/tar on your system made dpkg work again? |
| 02:48.03 | Angel-SL | and that maybe-trojaned tar replaced with the official one |
| 02:48.10 | asg | poopybutt: some do heavy kernel scheduler optimizations to make desktop performance whizzy if that's what you mean. |
| 02:48.19 | Angel-SL | peterS: yeah. *backups it* |
| 02:48.23 | peterS | heh |
| 02:48.30 | poopybutt | asg: yeah for the most part |
| 02:48.57 | asg | poopybutt: ubuntu is probably your best bet for a Debian based one. |
| 02:48.57 | wakejagr | poopybutt: xubuntu has a "light" wm. that's a good place to start |
| 02:48.59 | wolaoye | peterS: my kernel-2.6.15 config: scsi device support->scsi low level drivers->serial ATA + Intel PIIX/ICH SATA support |
| 02:49.02 | Angel-SL | peterS: there. it'll be safe in /root/ |
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| 02:49.13 | peterS | wolaoye: don't forget "scsi disk support" |
| 02:49.37 | poopybutt | asg: i tried ubuntu, wasnt a fan |
| 02:49.41 | peterS | Angel-SL: heh. btw, if you kept my download, you can 'md5sum' both copies of tar, compare |
| 02:49.51 | Angel-SL | will do.. |
| 02:50.14 | poopybutt | asg: it seems like a distribution with child locks |
| 02:50.26 | peterS | Angel-SL: if yours is tar 1.14-2.2 from stable, the md5sums should match, that's what I downloaded and extracted |
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| 02:51.02 | wolaoye | ok, that is in too. |
| 02:51.04 | Angel-SL | peterS: dd14b3369129b617d04bd5426b9874c8 /bin/tar VS dd14b3369129b617d04bd5426b9874c8 tar |
| 02:51.24 | Angel-SL | totally sa Me. |
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| 02:51.26 | kakume | is there a good way to check to see what version of a particular piece of software (installed by apt) is? |
| 02:51.29 | asg | Angel-SL: looks good to me |
| 02:51.37 | asg | kakume: apt-cache policy <pkg> |
| 02:51.46 | kakume | asg: thank you |
| 02:51.49 | wolaoye | peterS: with scsi driver, the drive is identified as sda? |
| 02:52.12 | tuv | kakume, or dpkg -l <package-name> |
| 02:52.33 | peterS | wolaoye: yes, if it's the first one detected by the system |
| 02:52.52 | tuv | is there a sha256sum tool somewhere? |
| 02:52.55 | poopybutt | is there a command to find what kind of audio chipset i have? |
| 02:53.07 | pstickne | lspci? |
| 02:53.18 | peterS | tuv: in unstable, yes |
| 02:53.28 | peterS | poopybutt: yeah usually lspci | grep audio |
| 02:53.41 | wolaoye | ok, i'll re-compile kernel and try again. bye. |
| 02:53.46 | asg | tuv: yes, sha256sum |
| 02:53.56 | Angel-SL | is there a ripemd160sum somewhere? |
| 02:54.09 | peterS | Angel-SL: use /usr/bin/openssl for hashes you can't get anywhere else |
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| 02:54.42 | Angel-SL | peterS: how? |
| 02:54.44 | asg | tuv: at least in sid and probably etch's coreutils package |
| 02:54.58 | tuv | asg, not in etch yet |
| 02:54.59 | peterS | Angel-SL: specifically 'openssl rmd160 < /file/name' |
| 02:55.12 | tuv | asg, hence my question |
| 02:55.39 | peterS | Angel-SL: also supports several other hashes: md2 md4 md5 sha sha1 |
| 02:55.40 | asg | tuv: oh, okay. See what peterS said above about rmd160. That should apply to openssl's sha implementation as well |
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| 02:56.00 | poopybutt | is anybody aware of problems with the via 8237 audio chipset? |
| 02:56.43 | peterS | poopybutt: dunno, I'm listening to Creedence Clearwater Revival through a via 8237 chip right now. some people would consider that a problem. |
| 02:56.45 | poopybutt | because in kanotix, my audio skips all the time. i was told in kanotix that it was a problem with the kernel and the chipset. if its kanotix only i want to switch to debian sid |
| 02:57.03 | asg | peterS: I don't |
| 02:57.10 | Angel-SL | asg: theres no sha256 hasher in openssl |
| 02:57.25 | peterS | poopybutt: I don't remember having any problems with this chip with any kernels I've used. currently on the sid kernel 2.6.17-2-k7 |
| 02:57.32 | ppxxpp | when I upgrade my debian from stable to testing,Xwindows have someting wrong. |
| 02:57.40 | ppxxpp | can anybody help me? |
| 02:58.03 | Angel-SL | be more specific, pls |
| 02:58.11 | ppxxpp | upgrade XFree86 to xorg |
| 02:58.20 | Angel-SL | doh |
| 02:58.34 | Angel-SL | whats the wrong thing?! |
| 02:58.41 | jetscreamer | http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7/ |
| 02:58.52 | ppxxpp | no log |
| 02:58.58 | jetscreamer | apt-get install xorg |
| 03:00.12 | pstickne | Any idea when 7.1 will make it in? :) |
| 03:00.15 | ppxxpp | need xfree86-common pkg |
| 03:00.26 | ppxxpp | and I can't install xfree86-common |
| 03:00.51 | ppxxpp | I'm newbie |
| 03:01.01 | ppxxpp | help me please |
| 03:01.04 | pstickne | what I did ...dump all xfree86 stuff first. let all packages that require it be removed. install xorg + anything I need. |
| 03:01.05 | tuv | ppxxpp, no more xfree on testing |
| 03:01.11 | tuv | ppxxpp, ist's xorg now |
| 03:01.16 | magyar | looking for etch security repo |
| 03:01.43 | ppxxpp | yes,but xorg need xfree86-common pkg |
| 03:01.56 | ppxxpp | when I install xorg |
| 03:02.07 | pstickne | no it doesn't something else might be choking. |
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| 03:02.34 | pstickne | which is why I would recommend removing all xfree86 and dep programs -first-. |
| 03:02.47 | ppxxpp | to pstickne:I just do dist-upgrade |
| 03:03.12 | pstickne | I'm a sucker for doing things by hand until I do them enough that it annoys me. |
| 03:03.22 | ppxxpp | how can i remove? |
| 03:03.29 | Angel-SL | LOL |
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| 03:03.37 | Angel-SL | debsums throws this out: /usr/share/doc/dia-common/changelog.gz FAILED |
| 03:03.43 | pstickne | ppxxpp, I use dselect. |
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| 03:04.01 | pstickne | ppxxpp, it's a tad awkward to use compared to aptitude but I also fight with it less. |
| 03:04.11 | pstickne | ppxxpp, you might like aptitude. |
| 03:04.16 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 03:04.17 | dpkg | i guess fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 03:05.04 | tuv | pstickne, you're brave man ;) |
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| 03:06.59 | tuv | the first time i installed debian i somehow got into dselect. it took me a few months to allow debian back to my house! |
| 03:07.11 | pstickne | hehe |
| 03:07.26 | pstickne | I heard it used to be even less friendly. |
| 03:07.43 | jetscreamer | dselect>* |
| 03:07.52 | pstickne | It would be nice if dselect/aptitude merged the best of both |
| 03:07.53 | jetscreamer | cept for the lack of a collapsible tree |
| 03:07.53 | CompWizrd | first time i installed debian back in 2.1 or so, i ran into dselect.. and i knew right then that i was going to be sticking with debian over slackware |
| 03:08.02 | tuv | that was on woody's installer |
| 03:08.09 | ppxxpp | :'( |
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| 03:08.34 | jetscreamer | heh.. and to think i was about to tell him how to purge entire sections with dselect |
| 03:08.44 | pstickne | Deb's package system and not-for-complete-windows-users is the reason why I use it :) |
| 03:09.17 | libervisco | some say debian is too complex |
| 03:09.26 | pstickne | It completely blows away YaST, I wonder how YUM-based distributions are but don't really care enough to look. |
| 03:09.38 | jetscreamer | i use it because it has been proven to resolve dependencies when apt-get -f or aptitude cannot |
| 03:09.47 | tuv | well i installed slackware sometime in the late 90's, and celebrated successfully running X. that was it with slackware and me though |
| 03:09.47 | pstickne | libervisco, it _does_ have alot packages and deb-quirks/patches but |
| 03:09.54 | jetscreamer | i used apt-get on suse... yast sucks |
| 03:10.49 | pstickne | jetscreamer, I was reading some howtos on installing SuSe before I tried and they made it sounds like it would be a wonderful experience :p |
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| 03:11.11 | libervisco | pstickne, but? :P |
| 03:11.13 | pstickne | boo to hiding information by defaul |
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| 03:11.35 | jetscreamer | pstickne: 10.0 was cool |
| 03:11.38 | pstickne | libervisco, ... took 2 days to correctly install it and by that time I was so annoyed I decided to try debian ;) |
| 03:11.44 | jetscreamer | 10.1 has some yast bug omfg it sucks |
| 03:12.02 | pstickne | I was trying 10.1 (or was it .2 then?) |
| 03:12.16 | libervisco | pstickne, install what? |
| 03:12.22 | pstickne | libervisco, "SuSe" |
| 03:12.26 | libervisco | oh |
| 03:12.50 | tuv | anyone tried yum? a friend of mine prefers fedora over debian as yum balances apt's advantage, he claims |
| 03:13.14 | Angel-SL | thats fking stupid |
| 03:13.34 | tuv | Angel-SL, well that's not a convincing argument |
| 03:13.40 | libervisco | I also wonder why configuration scripts in Debian aren't clean and placed in easy to find locations like on slackware/arch? |
| 03:13.45 | jetscreamer | i never did yum.. maybe once |
| 03:13.49 | libervisco | just wondering... |
| 03:13.58 | pstickne | not as stupid as kopete silently refusing to log in. I sure wish people included message consoles in their programs. |
| 03:13.59 | jetscreamer | that aura of mystery |
| 03:13.59 | tuv | me neither |
| 03:13.59 | Angel-SL | libervisco: cd /etc |
| 03:14.47 | libervisco | well.. one example is xorg configuration and .xinitrc |
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| 03:14.57 | pstickne | libervisco, look at /etc/alternatives ;) |
| 03:15.01 | libervisco | which is in some weirdly numbered subfolders of /etc/X11 |
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| 03:15.11 | tuv | libervisco, there is a learning curve, but with debian you get addicted as you approach the smooth part of the curve ;) |
| 03:15.20 | libervisco | hehe |
| 03:15.46 | libervisco | so you would agree it follows a bit nonstandard way of laying things out? :) |
| 03:15.50 | pstickne | (and by the time you fall off the cliff you're already addicted) |
| 03:16.07 | tuv | who decides what's "standard"? |
| 03:16.07 | libervisco | or would you say debian is the standard way and slackware is the one who wavers? :P |
| 03:16.26 | Angel-SL | slackware slacks your neck. |
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| 03:17.30 | libervisco | hmm well considering the popularity of debian and its derivates I suppose most people actually use the debian way than slackware :D |
| 03:17.32 | pstickne | devian follows the LHS/RHS/whatever it is standard pretty well from what I can tell |
| 03:17.42 | libervisco | could be called an industry standard heh? :P |
| 03:17.47 | libervisco | I donno |
| 03:18.24 | pstickne | and the fact it uses sysv by default (vs slackwares chained config) .... |
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| 03:18.25 | pstickne | although I chose to use sys-v init in slackware ;) |
| 03:18.37 | libervisco | well.. arch uses rc |
| 03:18.40 | libervisco | BSD style |
| 03:18.49 | libervisco | hmm |
| 03:19.00 | RawSushi | Jesus. |
| 03:19.21 | Angel-SL | rc.d |
| 03:19.24 | RawSushi | It's gonna take me a year just to figure out how to install an nvidia driver. |
| 03:19.45 | libervisco | Angel-SL, yeah rc.d |
| 03:19.45 | RawSushi | I'm about to go insane |
| 03:20.00 | tuv | RawSushi, did you get the unstable nvidia packages? |
| 03:20.20 | pstickne | RawSushi, get it from nvidia? |
| 03:20.34 | pstickne | RawSushi, you'll likely need to ensure kernel/gcc matching and have a build env. |
| 03:20.38 | smoked1 | Anyone here ever been able to connect Linux to a SonicWall VPN? |
| 03:20.45 | smoked1 | this shit is killing me |
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| 03:20.52 | pstickne | dpkg -i nvidia.deb ? but if it's for an older version of X, it's useless ;) |
| 03:20.54 | Entangled | how do you check if the kernal has nfs support? |
| 03:20.57 | RawSushi | tuv: do I ahve to do this manually? |
| 03:20.59 | RawSushi | have |
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| 03:21.07 | RawSushi | download each individual package? |
| 03:21.08 | jetscreamer | no... .run |
| 03:21.10 | tuv | RawSushi, unless you have unstable sources |
| 03:21.21 | RawSushi | which I don't.. |
| 03:21.22 | jetscreamer | Entangled: they all do, modprobe it |
| 03:21.24 | RawSushi | Jesus. |
| 03:21.43 | jetscreamer | RawSushi: http://kanotix.com/files/ |
| 03:21.48 | tuv | RawSushi, you don't have to, but it's easier not to ruin your system with unneeded unstable packages this way |
| 03:21.57 | jetscreamer | apt-get install linux-headers-`uname -r` ` not ' |
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| 03:22.32 | tuv | RawSushi, you only need to get nvidia's packages, not everything, from unstable |
| 03:22.37 | pstickne | tuv, tsk, tsk, you should get emacs-snapshot ;) |
| 03:22.57 | tuv | pstickne, what for? |
| 03:22.57 | jetscreamer | i should bind 'how to install nvidia' in an xchat button thingy |
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| 03:23.18 | zanpakuto | hello I am trying to compile a program that need to use libstdc++ so.5 and g++ 3.3, since I also have g++ 4.0 (as default), the default include libraries to get included are for 4.0 , how do I set it to 3.3 ? |
| 03:23.23 | pstickne | tuv, because uhm, err, it is nicer in a number of ways then emacs21? and uhm... something. |
| 03:23.41 | pstickne | tuv, and sgml-mode.el in 21 is horribly broken :) |
| 03:24.04 | pstickne | tuv, so my extension requires the emacs 22 sgml-mode, so you might as well just run 22.0.5 :) |
| 03:24.19 | tuv | pstickne, calm down man.. you're scaring me |
| 03:24.19 | Angel-SL | hmp |
| 03:24.46 | Angel-SL | if any pof you want to reference iPod Nano to me, say iPod text editor |
| 03:24.59 | tuv | RawSushi, what's your status? |
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| 03:26.28 | pstickne | Angel-SL, ?? |
| 03:26.42 | Angel-SL | the iPod Nano |
| 03:26.44 | Angel-SL | don't you know |
| 03:26.55 | pstickne | does anyone have problems connecting to AIM using kopete/gaim? |
| 03:27.19 | pstickne | Angel-SL, it still doesn't make sense |
| 03:27.29 | RawSushi | wait...brb |
| 03:27.42 | Angel-SL | pstickne: look, nano is a text editor in linux |
| 03:27.59 | jetscreamer | nano -w |
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| 03:29.53 | Angel-SL | hey look: http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Linux&word2=Micro%24oft |
| 03:29.57 | Angel-SL | go linux! |
| 03:31.57 | kakume | bind WAS working fine, now it won't start up, and when I try to stop it, i get a message "namedrndc: connect failed: connection refused" doing a force-reload didnt help |
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| 03:32.36 | pstickne_ | Try with a real s |
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| 03:33.23 | pstickne_ | http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=Linux&word2=sex |
| 03:33.28 | pstickne_ | too many computer geeks |
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| 03:36.38 | pstickne_ | sweetass. |
| 03:36.47 | pstickne_ | I'm a number 1 sit on google. |
| 03:36.49 | pstickne_ | *hit |
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| 03:39.14 | mechcow | does google fight use safesearch? |
| 03:39.30 | mechcow | surely there is a lot more web pages with "sex" than "linux" |
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| 03:40.36 | pstickne_ | I still get the same number of hits for "xxx" with safe search on and off |
| 03:40.36 | pstickne_ | err, that was with moderate |
| 03:40.57 | kakume | guys, why does bind hate me so? |
| 03:41.07 | pstickne_ | 'The word "xxx" has been filtered from the search because Google SafeSearch is active' <-- safe search |
| 03:41.15 | pstickne_ | mechcow, so Linux > Sex :) |
| 03:41.23 | tolecnal | the numbers are correct |
| 03:41.40 | Guerin | pstickne_: only for people who've never had sex |
| 03:41.56 | pstickne_ | Guerin, works for me. |
| 03:42.05 | Guerin | !pity pstickne_ |
| 03:42.05 | dpkg | I pity da fool pstickne_! |
| 03:42.10 | pstickne_ | :( |
| 03:43.20 | kakume | I installed bind, I had it working, but now it just silently fails with no messages. named is not running according to ps aux, and there are no messages in /var/log/messages . what is going on??? |
| 03:44.01 | mechcow | what happens when you start it |
| 03:44.12 | mechcow | pstickne_: that's impressive |
| 03:44.43 | kakume | it says "Starting domain name service: named" and thats it |
| 03:44.51 | pstickne_ | woa. http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=myspace&word2=real+friends. |
| 03:45.10 | pstickne_ | kakume, can you ask it to not fork? |
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| 03:45.26 | kakume | how? |
| 03:45.43 | pstickne_ | kakume, `man bind' and see what it allows |
| 03:46.04 | pstickne_ | many servers have a flag to keep it from daemonizing. which is helpful for seeing errors like this. |
| 03:46.06 | kakume | nothing found when i searched for fork |
| 03:46.26 | pstickne_ | it'll most likely be called something different |
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| 03:47.02 | kakume | ah ok, yes its -g |
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| 03:47.06 | mechcow | -f makes it not daemonize |
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| 03:48.24 | tuv | yay.. http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=debian&word2=gentoo |
| 03:48.48 | Guerin | bah, why is my new entry in /etc/cron.daily/ not running |
| 03:48.57 | Guerin | do I need to run some sort of cron indexer or something? |
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| 03:49.46 | tuv | Guerin, maybe reload/restart cron |
| 03:49.49 | pstickne_ | Guerin, it should be picked up automatically if any of them run |
| 03:49.56 | Guerin | yeah, well, they do |
| 03:50.00 | Guerin | but this one doesn't |
| 03:50.02 | pstickne_ | iirc it's a cron tast that runs cron jobs |
| 03:50.10 | pstickne_ | Guerin, there are some cavaets with the names |
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| 03:50.14 | kakume | that helped. i found some errors in the config files and im working through them |
| 03:50.15 | pstickne_ | Guerin, I think see run-parts |
| 03:50.24 | Guerin | hm, maybe cron has different environment, too |
| 03:50.44 | pstickne_ | kakume, have fun ;)) |
| 03:51.04 | tuv | Guerin, it basically has an empty one, except for what's set in /etc/crontab |
| 03:51.11 | kakume | ok, it works now when I run it by envoking named -g but when i use the init script it still silently fails |
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| 03:51.46 | pstickne_ | kakume, but it works without non-daemonizing from the normal shell? |
| 03:51.54 | kakume | yes |
| 03:52.04 | paroneayea | in the debian manual, chapter 4 part 4, it says "There is an all-in-one file hd-media/boot.img.gz which contains all the installer files (including the kernel) as well as SYSLINUX and its configuration file. You only have to extract it directly to your USB stick. |
| 03:52.22 | paroneayea | but it doesn't specify where I find that directory and file. On a mirror? |
| 03:52.30 | twobitsprite | where would I find TOR in the repositories? |
| 03:52.31 | twobitsprite | !tor |
| 03:52.32 | dpkg | i heard tor is a system of proxies to maintain anonymity, see http://tor.eff.org/ or not allowed on #debian, see http://freenode.net/policy.shtml#tor |
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| 03:52.39 | twobitsprite | ohh |
| 03:52.45 | twobitsprite | why not allowed? |
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| 03:53.21 | Guerin | twobitsprite: read. |
| 03:54.02 | paroneayea | hm, nm, I guess I did find it on a mirror. |
| 03:54.16 | twobitsprite | I read the policy on freenode, but it just talks about flagging... why is it not allowed on #debian? |
| 03:55.01 | Guerin | twobitsprite: because tor users are impossible to ban. |
| 03:55.23 | kakume | that and the listen-on option that worked once before no longer works |
| 03:55.40 | twobitsprite | Guerin: isn't that subject to the same criticism about outlawing guns influcting on the rights of well-mannered gun-owners? |
| 03:55.49 | twobitsprite | infclicting* |
| 03:55.59 | twobitsprite | bleh (gives up) |
| 03:56.10 | Guerin | twobitsprite: the difference is that in #debian you have no human rights |
| 03:56.15 | twobitsprite | ohh |
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| 03:56.58 | Entangled | is raid faster than nfs? |
| 03:57.01 | twobitsprite | sorry, I'm half-drunk and thought I might make a point, then realized I wouldn't be speaking to open ears |
| 03:57.26 | pstickne_ | it's like any service... you can pretty much set the TOS arbitrarily |
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| 03:58.47 | twobitsprite | well... with tor, the reason you can't ban, of course, is because a user can change ip addresses... but that is true of most people who have dynamic IPs... so what is the difference then? |
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| 04:01.01 | zinx | twobitsprite: if someone persists at being an ass with a dynamic IP, it's generally possible to ban the entire subnet |
| 04:01.13 | zinx | twobitsprite: the same tactic doesn't work with tor |
| 04:01.29 | twobitsprite | zinx: true, but now you ban all of NC (in my case) who use roadrunner... |
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| 04:02.27 | twobitsprite | zinx: and what happens when IPv6 comes around, which doesn't have the same requirements for subnets... now how to you handle it? |
| 04:02.39 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | well, let's state this clearly, irc bans are not reliable |
| 04:03.12 | twobitsprite | Ox0F0-0FF_: precisely |
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| 04:03.33 | twobitsprite | so what makes a universal ban of a particular type of connection most justifiable than another? |
| 04:03.40 | twobitsprite | s/most/more |
| 04:04.03 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | You mean a subnet or so ? |
| 04:04.10 | twobitsprite | etc..., yes |
| 04:04.11 | zinx | twobitsprite: i believe you're mistaken about how ipv6 works |
| 04:04.20 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | Nothing, there's oproxies fot this |
| 04:04.36 | zinx | Ox0F0: open proxies are banned on freenode |
| 04:04.42 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | hehe |
| 04:04.58 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | like infriging bans |
| 04:05.15 | zinx | twobitsprite: in this case, the fact that tor has been abused, and will be abused, if the ban is removed. |
| 04:05.29 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | and i can tell you proxies work, I already seen someone evading bans using it |
| 04:05.39 | twobitsprite | zinx: parhaps... mind correcting me? I am under the impression that IPv6 removes the requirement that a provider perchase a particular "subnet", etc... i.e. one can perchase IP addresses peice meal... |
| 04:06.16 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | could be private proxies though |
| 04:06.17 | twobitsprite | zinx: perhaps we can expand this to say that the internet has been abused, and will continue to be abused....... |
| 04:06.18 | libervisco | http://bash.org/?106579 |
| 04:06.22 | zinx | twobitsprite: providers purchase blocks even if they're given that option, because they're easier to manage |
| 04:06.55 | zinx | twobitsprite: the abuse incidence with non-tor users on IRC in #debian is quite a bit lower than the abuse incidence with other methods of connecting to freenode |
| 04:07.26 | zinx | twobitsprite: arguing about it isn't going to change anything. make people stop using tor to do stupid stuff in here. |
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| 04:07.55 | zinx | s/other methods/the tor method/ :x |
| 04:08.02 | twobitsprite | zinx: but it is no longerenforced... besides... some middle manager who knows nothing about IP address allocation schemes would be successful in requesting the purchase of, say, 2,500 addresses (which doesn't splice well into IPv4 subnets) and ends up with a chunck fo addys which are not blockable based on "subnet" |
| 04:08.46 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | twobitsprite: if you want to really avoid morons..... create a private irc network with auth.... |
| 04:08.49 | zinx | twobitsprite: i don't even know if it's accurate, it seems like a stupid idea with such a large IP space |
| 04:09.05 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | anyways, there's no way to prevent them really |
| 04:09.13 | zinx | twobitsprite: but no real provider will *ever* purchase single /64s |
| 04:09.20 | zinx | twobitsprite: and certainly not single /128s |
| 04:09.25 | twobitsprite | well... If I wanted to avoid morons entirely, I wouldn't be on IRC... |
| 04:09.50 | zinx | right |
| 04:09.54 | zinx | we just want to mostly avoid them |
| 04:09.55 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 04:09.57 | zinx | which is why tor's banned. |
| 04:09.58 | zinx | :D |
| 04:10.03 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | :) |
| 04:10.29 | kakume | bind will not recognize the "listen-on" option :/ |
| 04:10.58 | twobitsprite | AAANNYYWWWAAYYSS,........ what package/repo do I need to install TOR? :D |
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| 04:11.00 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | fortunately, most of the time, morons know nothing about rtfm'ing..... which redure the amount of morons evading bans :) |
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| 04:11.21 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | twobitsprite: Getting telnet.... |
| 04:11.26 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | :) |
| 04:11.40 | twobitsprite | Ox0F0-0FF_: eh? |
| 04:11.46 | twobitsprite | telnet != TOR |
| 04:11.50 | zinx | twobitsprite: amazingly enough, "tor" |
| 04:12.15 | zinx | !info tor unstable |
| 04:12.22 | dpkg | tor: (anonymizing overlay network for TCP), section comm, is optional. Version: 0.1.1.23-1 (sid), Packaged size: 775 kB, Installed size: 1444 kB |
| 04:12.28 | zinx | !info tor stable |
| 04:12.31 | Ox0F0-0FF_ | twobitspritecreates an IRC network which bans all users connecting with an IRC client <== I was answering to this :P |
| 04:12.40 | zinx | guess it's not in stable |
| 04:12.48 | zinx | check backports.org |
| 04:12.58 | twobitsprite | zinx: E: Package tor has no installation candidate |
| 04:12.58 | zinx | if you're running stable, that is |
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| 04:13.06 | twobitsprite | I'm running testing |
| 04:13.08 | twobitsprite | !info tor testing |
| 04:13.34 | zinx | tor's in testing, what f'd up repository have you added that makes it uninstallable? |
| 04:13.44 | zinx | or, i thought it was in testing |
| 04:13.56 | zinx | crazy |
| 04:14.09 | zinx | twobitsprite: if you're feeling lucky, you can manually pull the .deb from stable |
| 04:14.11 | twobitsprite | deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian testing main contrib non-free |
| 04:14.11 | zinx | erh, unstable |
| 04:14.13 | twobitsprite | that f'd up repo |
| 04:14.27 | zinx | (don't use apt-get to do it, grab the .deb and dpkg -i it) |
| 04:15.36 | twobitsprite | is there an easy way to grab a deb from a different repo than browsing around with my web browser? |
| 04:16.04 | zinx | hum |
| 04:16.08 | zinx | !filename tor unstable |
| 04:16.14 | zinx | ah well, was worth a try |
| 04:16.19 | twobitsprite | lol |
| 04:16.35 | zinx | it's pool/main/t/tor/tor_0.1.1.23-1_amd64.deb for amd64 |
| 04:17.04 | twobitsprite | so tor_0.1.1.23-1_i686.deb, maybe? |
| 04:17.10 | zinx | i386 maybe |
| 04:17.25 | zinx | there's no i686 debian arch, just i686 packages for the i386 arch |
| 04:17.34 | twobitsprite | ohh yeah |
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| 04:18.22 | twobitsprite | got it. |
| 04:18.33 | twobitsprite | yep-... s/amd64/i386 worked |
| 04:19.51 | Guerin | twobitsprite: it's extremely unlikely to run |
| 04:19.57 | zinx | i do wonder what's keeping it out of testing |
| 04:20.02 | zinx | it's been in unstable for some time |
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| 04:20.23 | twobitsprite | Guerin: worked... had to apt-get install tstocks... then work beutifully |
| 04:20.31 | kakume | hahahah ok i figured it out |
| 04:20.34 | Guerin | hm, that's lucky |
| 04:20.39 | kakume | i didnt have eth1 up :D |
| 04:20.54 | twobitsprite | Guerin: no... I'm just good... it's all in the ring-finger... |
| 04:21.02 | Guerin | twobitsprite: yeah. Right. |
| 04:21.04 | twobitsprite | you just gotta type it with fines |
| 04:21.15 | twobitsprite | fine`s, somthing? |
| 04:21.16 | twobitsprite | sp? |
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| 04:26.53 | Guerin | bah, stupid rtorrent is segfaulting |
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| 04:28.49 | Guerin | just for s&g |
| 04:28.50 | CentrX | DONE! |
| 04:29.06 | argonel | i've recently updated and discovered all of my fonts are much too heavy. any suggestions? |
| 04:29.20 | Guerin | argonel: put them on a diet |
| 04:29.34 | argonel | Guerin: i tried, they just get fatter :) |
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| 04:29.56 | argonel | its almost like everything is bold, but if i select a bold font, then it gets *really* bold |
| 04:30.34 | Guerin | argonel: funky. Using what? |
| 04:30.42 | Guerin | man |
| 04:30.47 | Guerin | apt-listbugs isn't in etch |
| 04:30.51 | Guerin | how irony |
| 04:30.58 | argonel | Guerin: what in terms of what? |
| 04:31.03 | Guerin | argonel: what distro, yo |
| 04:31.12 | argonel | Guerin: etch |
| 04:31.42 | Guerin | argonel: try fucking with the dpi settings for fonts, in xresources |
| 04:31.45 | argonel | it was way out of date when i updated, so damn near everything changed |
| 04:31.48 | Guerin | but i don't think that's it |
| 04:32.08 | Guerin | argonel: are you sure it's not just antialiasing or something that's kicked in |
| 04:32.09 | Guerin | ? |
| 04:32.39 | argonel | Guerin: well, i haven't tried turning it off, but its on the lowest setting |
| 04:33.07 | argonel | xdpyinfo says my dpi is 81x81, which is correct for the size of the monitor glass. i can't seem to override it though |
| 04:33.21 | argonel | 'course, the image doesn't fill the glass. |
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| 04:34.32 | klork | hullo guys can i connect to the irc channel via a http proxy without tunneling? |
| 04:34.34 | argonel | Guerin: where am i fucking with the dpi settings now? X11/Xresources/? |
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| 04:37.16 | argonel | oh, ~/.Xresources maybe |
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| 04:44.00 | mechcow | klork: maybe have a look at proxychains |
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| 04:45.28 | klork | proxychains? |
| 04:45.40 | Guerin | klork: that's what the cow said |
| 04:45.52 | klork | :) |
| 04:46.33 | Angel-SL | i thibk proxycow is what he said |
| 04:47.19 | klork | ya am tunneling presently via SOCKS presently but am limited to gettig disconnected in 2 hrs and CONNECT is banned in my university :( |
| 04:48.17 | Guerin | klork: solution: ssh to another box |
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| 04:49.50 | klork | Guerin, how i think i can neither ssh to a outside box over http (unless the other side coopertes) and neither i hav any ssh access to another box |
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| 04:52.37 | Guerin | klork: that sucks. |
| 04:53.00 | Guerin | klork: there are some terminals at my university from which I can shell out, and others from which I cannot |
| 04:53.20 | Guerin | there appears to be no pattern, and the staff i asked about it said it was a secret and they weren't allowed to tell |
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| 04:54.15 | cafuego | Guerin: If the integer representation of the IP, XORED with 42, mod 11 is 4, then it works. |
| 04:54.58 | klork | thanks nyways :) |
| 04:55.01 | Guerin | cafuego: omg, thx, i'll put it up on the intranet and watch the computer system come tumbling down! |
| 04:56.27 | cafuego | w0rd l0l0lx0rz |
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| 04:57.18 | argonel | Gu |
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| 04:57.48 | spartako | hola me pueden dar alguin repo de debian rapido ?? |
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| 04:58.18 | argonel | well, i guess i just have to get used to everything being bold |
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| 04:59.07 | Guerin | !cu |
| 04:59.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, cu is short for "see you", or does not r0x0rz, or "call unix", the uucp modem-dialing program. Cuba A ductile malleable reddish-brown corrosion-resistant iamagnetic metallic element; occurs in various minerals ut is the only metal that occurs abundantly in large masses. Atomic number 29. portuguese for "asshole" |
| 04:59.13 | Guerin | cuba, of course |
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| 04:59.53 | argonel | they have internet in cuba? interesting |
| 05:00.28 | Guerin | argonel: how else would they control the latino gangs? |
| 05:00.49 | goetter | anyone here know why libasound2-plugins doesn't seem to have all the new alsa plugins? |
| 05:00.59 | Guerin | goetter: what branch of debian? |
| 05:01.03 | goetter | unstable |
| 05:01.11 | Guerin | goetter: because they're not unstable enough yet. |
| 05:01.19 | goetter | i don't think so |
| 05:01.41 | goetter | there was a bug opened up about this, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384029 |
| 05:01.55 | Guerin | goetter: the canonical answer to 'why isn't $foo in debian?' is 'because you haven't packaged it yet.' |
| 05:02.13 | goetter | i didn't say that |
| 05:02.23 | goetter | it's entirely possible i'm too dumb to see what i'm missing |
| 05:02.37 | argonel | Guerin: vodou, i thought |
| 05:04.05 | goetter | anyways, that bug says that libasound2-plugins has been updated to 1.0.12 (and thus the bug is closed) to include *all* plugins from source |
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| 05:04.17 | goetter | yet it seems to be missing the vital plugin (the reason for updating it), libasound_module_rate_samplerate |
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| 05:04.35 | goetter | so i just wanted to ask if anyone else noticed this ;) |
| 05:05.54 | jstevens | I have a box running etch that hasn't been upgraded in months. After a round of updates, it lists 516 packages that are held back. Why is this? |
| 05:06.05 | Guerin | jstevens: /msg dpkg held back |
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| 05:06.57 | argonel | just went through that myself. apt sure gets some interesting ideas :) |
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| 05:07.21 | argonel | ended up using equivs to get it to do more or less what i wanted. |
| 05:07.35 | Guerin | apt is pretty predictable if you understand what's going on |
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| 05:09.32 | argonel | it was doing interesting things like installing all of the dependencies of metapackages that weren't going to be installed |
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| 05:11.10 | jstevens | The information I've read pertains to changes that were made via the aptitude curses interface. I only use the command line interface. |
| 05:11.30 | Guerin | jstevens: don't matter, held back is held back for the same reason |
| 05:11.47 | Guerin | jstevens: if you don't want them held back, use dist-upgrade |
| 05:11.57 | klork | guys, a strange problem here whenever i find high cpu load and switch to top to see which process is the culprit the cpu load comes down to negligible leaving me in disbelief!! have constantly observed this for qute some time now. any ideas |
| 05:12.21 | jstevens | But why should I use dist-upgrade? |
| 05:12.24 | Guerin | !any ideas |
| 05:12.25 | dpkg | Yeah, I have an idea! But I'll need a sack full of string, a little vegemite, and 5 or 6 starving badgers. And keep the NSA off my back for the next few hours! |
| 05:12.32 | jstevens | I've never had to before. |
| 05:12.36 | jstevens | Just on this box. |
| 05:12.40 | Guerin | jstevens: because that's what you have to do to make packages not be held back? |
| 05:12.51 | klork | okey a solution |
| 05:12.52 | jstevens | Mmmm... |
| 05:12.52 | dn4 | a movie is a superfluity of still frames |
| 05:13.21 | Guerin | jstevens: i'm not, and aptitude isn't, concerned with what you have or haven't done, or what you think should be. It's about how it is. |
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| 05:14.30 | jstevens | Guerin: Ayep. But held back packages usually, for whatever reason, eventually become installable. |
| 05:14.46 | jstevens | Guerin: Without a dist-upgrade. |
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| 05:15.03 | argonel | if you bash at it enough, maybe |
| 05:15.14 | jstevens | No bashing required. |
| 05:15.27 | argonel | here, try this |
| 05:15.44 | argonel | jstevens: apt-get -o Debug::pkgProblemResolver=yes dist-upgrade |
| 05:15.51 | Guerin | jstevens: generally not. |
| 05:16.02 | Guerin | !held back |
| 05:16.03 | dpkg | methinks kept back is when packages have not been upgraded, even though newer versions are available, because it cannot resolve dependencies for the newer version, or when you told it to hold packages, or when you used "upgrade" instead of "dist-upgrade". The safest way to resolve this is perhaps to 'apt-get -s install <kept-package>' and see why it wasn't automatically upgrading the package |
| 05:16.33 | Guerin | the situation is caused when packages have to be REMOVED, or when not all the dependencies are available. |
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| 05:17.03 | Guerin | if this particular case is because a package needs to be removed, because the package structuire has changed, then no amount of upgrading will help unless you dist-upgrade |
| 05:17.31 | Guerin | if it's dependencies, then they could become installable once all the deps are there, but this is not usually the reason a package is held back |
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| 05:17.51 | ApoCa2003 | hello |
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| 05:18.27 | ApoCa2003 | what have i to edit in my xorg.conf to see my second videocard in my sysinfo? |
| 05:18.30 | klork | hullo |
| 05:20.47 | jstevens | Guerin: Yeah, my understanding in the past was that packages were held back when a dependency was unavailable. For example, if foo changes from 3.0 to 3.1, but 3.1 depends on bar 1.3 and only bar 1.2 is available in the repo, foo would be 'kept back'. |
| 05:22.00 | Guerin | yeah, those issues will often solve themselves, but normally it's because a metapackage name has been changed or somesuch |
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| 05:22.32 | argonel | you're probably in the situation where foo depends on bar, but bar has been replaced with bar1 and conflicts with bar. so it'll want to keep bar rather than change to bar1 |
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| 05:24.17 | jstevens | Ahh!! Of course! Ok, that makes sense. I have a sense of understanding and control again. Thanks! |
| 05:24.51 | goetter | anyone know anything about getting alsa to resample from 44.1kHz to 48kHz? |
| 05:25.09 | argonel | goetter: huh? |
| 05:25.29 | goetter | my sound hardware only plays 48000hz |
| 05:25.53 | goetter | most music is encoded at 44.1kHz |
| 05:25.57 | goetter | or quite a bit, in any case |
| 05:27.07 | goetter | at the moment, trying to play 44100hz audio comes out scratchy, because my hardware can't play 44100hz |
| 05:27.43 | kintaro0e | hello everyone..need advice..do i need to make 2 servers for my dns to run: 1 for public networks and 1 for private networks?if we have a domain hosted at ultradns.com like foo.com and i want to make a internal dns server like us.foo.com..is it posible.? |
| 05:27.49 | goetter | some players resample internally |
| 05:28.00 | goetter | others don't, and rely on the drivers (or ALSA) to do it |
| 05:28.19 | goetter | i need ALSA to do it; i know it's capable, but i can't find any documentation detailing how to do it, esp. wrt debian |
| 05:28.33 | argonel | goetter: well, http://alsa.opensrc.org/FAQ017 |
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| 05:33.46 | goetter | argonel i'm pretty sure that is outdated; in any event it's ineffectual for my problem |
| 05:34.47 | jstevens | kintaro0e: What is your goal with DNS? Do you want to provide external name resolution for your hosts? Do you want to provide name resolution to your internal users? Do you want your internal users to resolve hostnames that shouldn't resolve externally? |
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| 05:36.04 | argonel | goetter: well, whatever. says you can set a rate there |
| 05:36.08 | kintaro0e | jstevens: 1st: provide external name resolution for your hosts 2nd: provide name resolution to your internal users 3rd: want your internal users to resolve hostnames that shouldn't resolve externally |
| 05:36.41 | goetter | argonel: yeah, i don't contest that. only problem is it doesn't work |
| 05:36.55 | goetter | so i ask here to see if anyone else (using debian) has had this problem |
| 05:37.37 | argonel | goetter: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/lofiversion/index.php/t47591.html |
| 05:38.01 | goetter | yeah, that was the second one i looked at |
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| 05:38.16 | goetter | so far as i can see, debian lacks the 'rate' alsa plugin |
| 05:38.38 | goetter | or at least, /usr/lib/alsa-lib/libasound_module_rate_* don't exist |
| 05:39.32 | jstevens | kintaro0e: Ok, the key there is that you want your internal users to resolve names that shouldn't resolve externally. There are two options. Option one is split DNS. In this case, you run a public DNS server and a private DNS server. Two separate servers serving the appropriate users. The second option is to use views if you are using bind as your DNS server. This only requires a single host. |
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| 05:40.52 | argonel | goetter: bug? |
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| 05:41.19 | goetter | right, i found this |
| 05:41.20 | goetter | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=384029 |
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| 05:41.28 | jstevens | kintaro0e: Views allow bind to respond to clients differently depending on who is asking. |
| 05:41.41 | huhlig | anyone here willing to help on a stupid ldap problem |
| 05:41.53 | kintaro0e | jstevens: hmmm..views would be nice..so where do i put the server..in the public or in the internal? |
| 05:42.20 | magyar | anyone using horde (etch). I got login problems |
| 05:43.35 | WishBoy | which better form to config networks cards? |
| 05:43.59 | jstevens | kintaro0e: You should probably take a look at the bind documentation regarding views before you decide. You can provide the host with a single external interface or an internal and external interface. |
| 05:44.49 | kintaro0e | jstevens: ah..i see..will its ok..now i have a idea..btw..thanks a lot |
| 05:44.53 | kintaro0e | for the advice. |
| 05:44.53 | kintaro0e | :) |
| 05:45.12 | jstevens | Absolutely! Have fun! |
| 05:46.09 | goetter | argonel: but even the updated libasound2-plugins, which was used to close that bug report, does not include the rate plugin |
| 05:46.37 | goetter | so i'm still at square 1 |
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| 05:47.16 | Kevin` | WishBoy, did you ping out yet? :) |
| 05:47.56 | JJ|Laptop | WishBoy: lol |
| 05:48.17 | relbs | If I want to add a custom route setting (e.g. route add -net ...) and have it activate with a network interface, where should I put it? |
| 05:48.18 | WishBoy | irssi is a 90% client user |
| 05:48.21 | huhlig | how do I put in the password for slapd in debian |
| 05:49.05 | litage | how can you find out if a stable package has had a security update? |
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| 05:50.26 | argonel | goetter: etch or sid? |
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| 05:52.21 | kintaro0e | hey jstevens, can i ask you on this matter..same on DNS..we let a dnshosting like ultradns.com host our dns for foo.com..do i need to make a dns server for foo.com?does it conflict with the hosting company? |
| 05:54.22 | argonel | ah. |
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| 05:57.46 | goetter | argonel sid |
| 06:00.10 | argonel | goetter: i think the package needs to be updated so it depends on libsamplerate |
| 06:00.18 | kintaro0e | jstevens: what do you think"? |
| 06:00.59 | Lilandra | hi! |
| 06:01.35 | jstevens | kintaro0e: It depends. |
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| 06:02.08 | Lilandra | how would i get my debian to try to connect via wireless (ath0 and wpa_supplicant) instead of ethernet (eth0) on boot? |
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| 06:02.52 | jstevens | kintaro0e: If you want to run your own external DNS, you'll have to update the DNS servers with your domain registrar to point to your boxes. |
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| 06:03.57 | argonel | goetter: if you look at the buildd log you'll see it gets skipped |
| 06:04.04 | argonel | goetter: so reopen the bug and explain |
| 06:04.30 | jstevens | kintaro0e: Alternatively, you could have ultradns.com operate as your external DNS server and put up your own server for internal use. Your internal server would likely contain the exact same information as you have at ultradns with the addition of internal hosts you don't want external users to be able to resolve. |
| 06:04.32 | kintaro0e | jstevens: hmmm..what do you mean? this is the current situation..we let ultradns host our foo.com domain, so our external servers will use that for dns records/zones..so i was planning to make a dns server internally that will host the foo.net..is this ok? |
| 06:05.41 | jstevens | You want to use foo.com externally and foo.net internally? Then you are using two entirely different name spaces. |
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| 06:05.54 | goetter | argonel: where's the build log? and how do i open a bug? :) |
| 06:06.18 | huhlig | jstevens, you seem knowledgeable about DNS... Know anything about ldap? |
| 06:06.47 | jstevens | huhlig: Not enough to help someone troubleshoot. Sorry. |
| 06:07.02 | huhlig | jstevens, I just need to know how to make it let me login |
| 06:07.07 | kintaro0e | jstevens: yes..foo.com will be on the ultradns and foo.net will be on internal. or maybe i'll do your advice on puting the foo.com as external with ultradns and foo.com in internal with the local host..is it right? |
| 06:07.11 | huhlig | fresh install |
| 06:07.37 | dn4 | what does 'dictum de omni et nullo' mean? |
| 06:07.57 | huhlig | your ass is like sweet nutella |
| 06:08.26 | argonel | goetter: http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/alsa-plugins.html |
| 06:09.26 | jstevens | kintaro0e: There isn't a right or wrong. A typical split DNS setup would consist of a host that resolves external queries (you could use ultradns or a host you setup) and another host (not listed with your domain registrar) to resolve queries for internal users. |
| 06:09.37 | argonel | goetter: as for the bug, i don't know what the rules are. |
| 06:09.44 | Lilandra | help? |
| 06:11.09 | jstevens | kintaro0e: The caveat here is, of course, all of your internal hosts *must* be configured to use your internal DNS server. Otherwise, they won't be able to resolve your internal hosts. Your internal DNS server would generally be firewalled to prevent external users from accessing it. |
| 06:12.51 | kintaro0e | jstevens: yes..that would be the idea.. so this would be my setup then.. |
| 06:13.38 | kintaro0e | isp--->firewall/router---->private net--->dns server [internal] host the foo.com/foo.net with the internal clients |
| 06:13.58 | kintaro0e | and the external dns server will be on ultradns for foo.com |
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| 06:15.01 | Guerin | dn4: it means 'you need to get a latin dictionary' |
| 06:16.14 | jstevens | kintaro0e: That seems like a reasonable split setup. Of course you might want DNS on two internal hosts for redundancy. Also, consider that it might be a pain to manage if the hosts you want visible to external users will change frequently. You'll have to update this information in two separate locations. If it's fairly static, it shouldn't be a problem. |
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| 06:21.23 | niru | hello |
| 06:21.26 | niru | is anybody available now |
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| 06:22.31 | niru | hello lamb |
| 06:22.55 | kintaro0e | jstevens: yah..its a lot of pains.hehehe..will any way..i dont want them to be visible on external..security issues are freaking me out..ehehe |
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| 06:24.36 | niru | can I ask a question here |
| 06:24.47 | goetter | i'd just ask |
| 06:24.48 | Guerin | niru: you just did. |
| 06:24.54 | Guerin | extra questions are $1 |
| 06:25.00 | Guerin | stupid questions are $2 |
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| 06:26.12 | niru | how can I localize anaconda |
| 06:26.30 | niru | even though anaconda is not related to debian I know |
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| 06:26.37 | Guerin | niru: anaconda is nothing to do with debian, ask #redhat |
| 06:26.51 | niru | is it freenode.net |
| 06:26.56 | Guerin | that's a stupid question, pay $2 to dpkg |
| 06:26.59 | Guerin | niru: no idea. |
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| 06:30.17 | Guerin | so ... do earbuds actually fit ANYONE's ears? |
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| 06:32.26 | Labatt14 | is that a $3 question? |
| 06:32.59 | Guerin | Labatt14: i have credit in here. |
| 06:33.27 | Guerin | Labatt14: but yeah, it probably is. |
| 06:33.49 | Labatt14 | heh, ok :-) |
| 06:33.59 | Guerin | fucking hate these things |
| 06:34.03 | Guerin | they keep falling out |
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| 06:34.08 | Guerin | and give me an earache |
| 06:34.54 | Labatt14 | not good |
| 06:34.59 | Guerin | stupid me for throwing out my awesome technics phones just because the frame broke a little bit ... several times |
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| 06:44.45 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 06:44.45 | dpkg | <ricky_clarkson> abrotman: My mum loves me when I've got surplus cash, like most women. |
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| 06:45.15 | insmodaway | dpkg: and cheap hookers |
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| 06:47.57 | kevsthabest | dpkg bot is awesome:) |
| 06:47.58 | dpkg | ...but bot is already something else... |
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| 06:48.09 | sep | !bot |
| 06:48.09 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 06:48.15 | sep | :) |
| 06:48.18 | kevsthabest | lol |
| 06:48.27 | insmodaway | kevsthabest: :) |
| 06:48.33 | kevsthabest | most entertaiment i have had all night:) |
| 06:49.11 | david___ | How to delete this entry from the routing table?: 172.17.0.0 * 255.255.0.0 U 0 0 0 eth0 |
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| 06:50.04 | Nibbier | umm, who would want to delete this? |
| 06:50.47 | david___ | Nibbier I need to relete it due to it is wrong |
| 06:51.30 | Nibbier | that just means that a certain device is connected to the net, nomore |
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| 06:51.57 | Nibbler | but the ip is wrong? |
| 06:52.40 | david___ | yes |
| 06:53.06 | Nibbler | so what does not work? |
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| 06:54.26 | david___ | It is getting a wrong gateway |
| 06:54.30 | david___ | Nibbler |
| 06:55.22 | david___ | Nibbler, Where could I config the up route list ? |
| 06:56.19 | Nibbler | use the route command |
| 06:56.26 | Nibbler | and smth. in /etc/networks/* |
| 06:56.44 | liable | david___: in interfaces file. set the gateway for each interface |
| 06:57.16 | liable | david___: route del net blah iface |
| 06:57.19 | liable | david___: man route |
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| 07:01.48 | Mitja | Netscape Navigator installer throws "Couldn't open xpistub library". The library file is in several places, locate finds it, but installer won't work no matter where I try to put it. Any ideas how to get around this? |
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| 07:03.14 | deadcat_ | is american express visa or master card? |
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| 07:03.40 | liable | neither |
| 07:03.44 | deadcat_ | oh damn |
| 07:04.08 | Labatt14 | $4 question |
| 07:04.21 | karsten | Mitja: Netscape Navigator? 1997 called. It wants its crappy browser back. |
| 07:04.54 | karsten | Mitja: Install Firefox or if you want the Mozilla experience, mozilla-browser. |
| 07:05.07 | Mitja | karsten, I need navigator too |
| 07:05.22 | karsten | Mitja: Um. If you don't mind my asking, why? |
| 07:05.31 | karsten | Mitja: ... and what version are you trying to install? |
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| 07:05.35 | Mitja | karsten, to test rendering |
| 07:05.48 | Mitja | 7.2, the latest available for linux |
| 07:05.55 | deadcat_ | karsten: is american express visa or master? |
| 07:06.07 | karsten | deadcat_: mu |
| 07:06.15 | karsten | deadcat_: AmEx is its own thing. |
| 07:06.23 | deadcat_ | doh |
| 07:06.43 | peterS | it's not even a credit card, at least not originally |
| 07:06.44 | deadcat_ | fucking signmeup.com |
| 07:07.20 | liable | david___: what you no fucking believe eh? :P |
| 07:07.23 | liable | deadcat_: ^^ |
| 07:07.29 | karsten | deadcat_: Visa & MasterCard are (or were) bank producer co-ops. MC has since reorganized as a for-profit. AmEx was a privately held financial institution with its own card. Ditto Discover. Result of which was anti-trust action on Visa/MC, and end result being MC's reorg. |
| 07:07.36 | deadcat_ | liable: nope. (= |
| 07:07.38 | karsten | Mitja: Likely an old library. |
| 07:07.48 | liable | deadcat_: you lose! haha |
| 07:08.01 | karsten | Mitja: Is the error on the NN72 install or when attempting to run the program? |
| 07:08.17 | Mitja | karsten, on the install |
| 07:08.22 | karsten | Mitja: ... and you might want to install auto-apt, which is very good for resolving issues such as this. |
| 07:08.43 | karsten | Mitja: AFAYCT, is the lib supposed to be in NN72 or in Debian? |
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| 07:09.05 | Mitja | I don't know where it was supposed to be |
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| 07:10.17 | karsten | Mitja: Install auto-apt. Run 'auto-apt update; auto-apt run' which spawns a shell under auto-apt. This should detect access to any known Debian file, and prompt for appropriate installation. |
| 07:10.41 | Mitja | thanks |
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| 07:12.34 | karsten | Mitja: Another thought is that you might want to try installing Debian potato under qemu or similar virtual environment. |
| 07:13.01 | karsten | Mitja: ... which might have the appropriate libs in it (potato was released July 13 2002, obsoleted by woody June 30, 2003). |
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| 07:13.11 | Mitja | that's an overkill |
| 07:13.14 | karsten | FWIW, woody might also work. |
| 07:13.23 | Mitja | I had navigator working before in etch |
| 07:13.24 | karsten | Mitja: Overkill's my middle name. |
| 07:13.56 | karsten | Anyhow: the auto-apt trick should work, the other alternative's available if you can't get joy with it. |
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| 07:14.24 | karsten | Mitja: You're sourcing from Netscapes' "archive" page? |
| 07:14.34 | Mitja | yes |
| 07:14.50 | karsten | OK. |
| 07:15.03 | karsten | Haven't tried that lately but I've had luck in the past back to 3.02 or so. |
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| 07:16.09 | dn4 | "Two all beef patties, special sauce, lettuce, cheese, pickles, onions on a sesame seed bun." |
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| 07:22.36 | Mitja | karsten, I installed mozilla, and navigator installer now produces segmentation fault |
| 07:22.44 | Mitja | auto-apt is still updating |
| 07:24.58 | karsten | Mitja: Interesting. |
| 07:25.27 | karsten | Mitja: another option (other than qemu) would be a chroot install of an older version, just thought of that too. |
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| 07:26.20 | Mitja | It should be simpler. I was able to install it previously and it worked. |
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| 07:26.37 | karsten | Mitja: Whatevah. |
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| 07:28.56 | Ginks | what's the command for like service httpd restart in debian? |
| 07:29.09 | Ginks | I get an error saying service is an invalid command |
| 07:29.20 | Ginks | err, command not found |
| 07:29.25 | karsten | Ginks: /etc/init.d/<service> restart |
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| 07:30.38 | Ginks | bingo, thanks |
| 07:31.23 | Mitja | karsten, auto-apt run does nothing |
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| 07:34.43 | dimir | Good morning! |
| 07:34.46 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 07:34.47 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 07:36.12 | phO0 | hello |
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| 07:38.52 | Mitja | karsten, got it fixed |
| 07:39.40 | karsten | Mitja: How? |
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| 07:40.04 | karsten | Mitja: auto-apt run starts a subshell. Which doesn't look like it does anything untilll you try to access a file that's not installed. |
| 07:40.09 | Mitja | by running the right installation file from the start |
| 07:40.23 | karsten | Mitja: :-) |
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| 07:41.46 | Mitja | I tried the same thing before, but the file was exporting the path wrong: "export: 41: Illegal option -n" |
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| 07:41.58 | karsten | ? |
| 07:41.59 | Mitja | So I tried the other file. |
| 07:42.18 | Mitja | Which couldn't find xpistub library. |
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| 07:42.35 | Mitja | then I just commented the offending line in the first file and it worked |
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| 07:49.59 | predder | is it possible to contribute to dpkg at all? |
| 07:50.20 | karsten | predder: /msg dpkg foo is bar |
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| 07:50.25 | Guerin | predder: anything's possible. |
| 07:50.30 | karsten | predder: ... /msg dpkg forget foo |
| 07:50.38 | karsten | predder: .... /msg dpkg foo is also ... |
| 07:51.07 | Guerin | well, the state of food delivery has improved dramatically since I left |
| 07:51.09 | karsten | predder: ... and there's a substitution option I always forget. |
| 07:51.19 | Guerin | karsten: perldoc |
| 07:51.25 | karsten | Guerin: ?? |
| 07:51.29 | cydork | predder: /msg dpkg help |
| 07:51.32 | cydork | :) |
| 07:51.39 | Guerin | karsten: foo =~ s/badger/mushroom/ |
| 07:51.50 | karsten | Guerin: snake! |
| 07:52.03 | predder | I've got it thanks, Just want to tidy up the vpn option as it includes an outdated link and doesn't mention openvpn |
| 07:52.12 | karsten | Snakes on an IRC Channel |
| 07:52.58 | cydork | karsten: i will like to see a love story on irc :) |
| 07:53.03 | Guerin | i just ordered hu nan niu rou, hong shao chao fan and won ton ... and they're gonna deliver it! |
| 07:53.08 | karsten | !sex |
| 07:53.08 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
| 07:53.23 | karsten | cydork: We aim to please. |
| 07:53.23 | Guerin | karsten: have you been to china? I forget. |
| 07:53.43 | karsten | Guerin: Bu shu |
| 07:54.05 | karsten | Or however that's spelled. |
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| 07:54.33 | Guerin | karsten: chinese food is awesome. They say it's just like you get back home, except better, and it is. |
| 07:54.49 | Guerin | ah |
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| 07:55.13 | Guerin | i'd punch an old lady for a bowl of lo mien right now |
| 07:55.28 | wooya510 | when I ran "adduser xp", I can't add user. Also I can see the following message: adduser: `/usr/bin/passwd xp' returned error code 10. Aborting. |
| 07:55.32 | karsten | Guerin: What's the proper romanization of "no"? |
| 07:55.40 | karsten | wooya510: as root. |
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| 07:56.13 | karsten | Guerin: Dunno. There's tons of chinese locally, don't know how it compares to the real thing, but I'm finding m'self less enamored of it with time. |
| 07:56.17 | Guerin | karsten: well, bú shì is 'is not' |
| 07:56.18 | wooya510 | karsten, I ran as root |
| 07:56.42 | karsten | Guerin: ... and the one native at a recent gig would order Korean take-out, which I interpret as the ultimate put-down. |
| 07:56.48 | Guerin | wooya510: i'd guess that it thinks you're not at a console, or something |
| 07:56.54 | Guerin | karsten: hehe. |
| 07:57.17 | Guerin | karsten: you're in SF? |
| 07:57.21 | wooya510 | Guerin, I ran in terminal |
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| 07:57.28 | Guerin | wooya510: i'm sure you did. |
| 07:57.32 | karsten | Guerin: Yeah. |
| 07:57.37 | karsten | wooya510: OJ! |
| 07:57.42 | Guerin | karsten: i thought SF had everything! |
| 07:57.45 | karsten | </joke style=lame> |
| 07:57.56 | karsten | Guerin: Twice, and with interchangeable sockets. |
| 07:58.03 | Guerin | kinky |
| 07:58.12 | karsten | Guerin: Leather and lace. |
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| 07:58.42 | Guerin | karsten: duck feet in Wuhan remain the hottest thing I ever ate. |
| 07:59.18 | wooya510 | karsten, I wanna solve this problem |
| 07:59.46 | Guerin | wooya510: to test my theory about the terminal thing, ssh root@localhost and try again |
| 07:59.50 | karsten | Guerin: Chinatown's mostly way-overdone touristy. The real Chinese stuff is now on the south & east bay, from what I hear. A few significant chains locally (Chef Chu's, Su Hong). |
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| 08:00.36 | Guerin | amazingly I haven't had chinese since coming back |
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| 08:01.51 | karsten | Of asian cuisines, the ones I particularly care for are Japanese and Vietnamese |
| 08:01.57 | Guerin | mm |
| 08:02.07 | Guerin | vietnamese I was entirely disappointed with |
| 08:02.22 | Guerin | except pho |
| 08:02.30 | Guerin | which is awesome |
| 08:02.50 | karsten | Steamed spring rolls. |
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| 08:03.01 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:03.16 | Guerin | khmer and lao food are awesome |
| 08:03.28 | Guerin | fresh green pepper, lime, mint, turmeric |
| 08:03.51 | karsten | It's the mix of asian and french that I think does it. |
| 08:04.01 | Guerin | yeah, there is that |
| 08:04.03 | karsten | Thai is *way* too much coconut milk, and I can't tolerate that well. |
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| 08:04.10 | Guerin | we never ate in any flash restaurants in 'Nam |
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| 08:04.25 | Guerin | mind you, the only place we did was in Beijing |
| 08:04.33 | Guerin | karsten: not all thai food has coconut |
| 08:04.42 | Guerin | but I suppose the canonical things do |
| 08:04.45 | karsten | Oh: there *is* one *very* good Chinese place I now of, in Sausalito. Mu shoo chicken, on very thin crepe pancakes. |
| 08:05.05 | karsten | Guerin: Virtually all does. A good yellow chicken curry I can handle. |
| 08:05.13 | Suprano | Hi |
| 08:05.15 | jusson | in mkfs, what value to use for the <block>? it is supposed to be the number of blocks for the fs. |
| 08:05.26 | Guerin | jusson: if you don't know, don't specify |
| 08:05.48 | jusson | Guerin: leaving it blank is ok? |
| 08:05.52 | karsten | Theres' also a local middle-eastern restaurant, jordanian, with a tibetan front staff (beautiful hostess) and mexican bakc. Very good. Chicken schwarma. Yum. |
| 08:05.54 | Suprano | As root, i am able to execute programs like ftp or scp, but as normal user, the program starts and then nothing.. no matter if i passed parameters or not.. |
| 08:05.57 | Guerin | jusson: yeah, almost everything is optional |
| 08:06.00 | karsten | jusson: Ignore. |
| 08:06.06 | jusson | ok |
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| 08:06.21 | Ginks | how come /etc/init.d doesn't have a functions in debian? |
| 08:06.25 | Guerin | Suprano: that's wacky. |
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| 08:06.39 | Guerin | Ginks: a directory can't have functions |
| 08:06.47 | Guerin | Ginks: they exist in programs or scripts |
| 08:07.08 | Suprano | any idea how t ofix this ? |
| 08:07.22 | Ginks | well I mean like on redhat there is a shell script named functions |
| 08:07.28 | Ginks | doesn't exist on debian that I can find |
| 08:07.41 | Guerin | Ginks: what is it supposed to do? |
| 08:07.53 | karsten | Ginks: I think that's an include script that's called by the init scripts. |
| 08:08.01 | karsten | Ginks: Debian writes sane sysvinit scripts. |
| 08:08.35 | Ginks | so if this init script I have is trying to call it what should I do? |
| 08:08.40 | Ginks | would commenting it out break it? |
| 08:09.03 | Guerin | i can see the utility of having a centralised script to include functions |
| 08:09.07 | Guerin | Ginks: should work |
| 08:09.13 | karsten | Guerin: Next time you're in town: http://www.fengnian.com/map.html |
| 08:09.17 | Guerin | Ginks: you might need to specify those functions though |
| 08:09.29 | karsten | Guerin: Light flavors, not overdone, not over-greasy, not over-MSGd. |
| 08:09.38 | simonrvn | Ginks: it's in the lsb packages |
| 08:10.04 | Guerin | karsten: next time i'm in SF i'll have a look ... wait, make that first time |
| 08:10.16 | karsten | Guerin: ;-) |
| 08:11.00 | karsten | Guerin: Sausalito's quite the tourist trap. But a very cute, very well-placed one. There are good places you can get to quickly. Sushi Ran is the place to go for _killer_ sushi. |
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| 08:11.40 | streuner | Guerin: last time i ate chinese it was 90 percent mushrooms, i never ate chinese after that event ;-) |
| 08:11.59 | Guerin | streuner: the chinese like their mushrooms more than anyone else |
| 08:12.02 | Hoxzer_ | :( there is a chineses restaurant under my house |
| 08:12.07 | Guerin | with the possible exception of the northern italians |
| 08:12.08 | Hoxzer_ | or appartment |
| 08:12.39 | streuner | Guerin: nah, italians love pizzas and pastas, no mushrooms at all :-) |
| 08:13.07 | streuner | maybe some on the pizzas ;-) |
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| 08:13.12 | Guerin | streuner: haha |
| 08:13.48 | cydork | streuner: hmm sound like good idea :P |
| 08:14.12 | liable | heh, talking of pizza, just slipped one in the oven.. :) |
| 08:14.24 | liable | with pinapple! |
| 08:14.29 | cydork | eww |
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| 08:14.46 | liable | mushies rock.. |
| 08:14.48 | Guerin | liable: heathen |
| 08:15.00 | cydork | i still dont get how can anyone eat pizza with pinapple ? |
| 08:15.04 | Guerin | liable: i have a freidn doing MSc research into mushrooms |
| 08:15.17 | Guerin | he has a university permit to collect and cultivate any kind of mushrooms he likes |
| 08:15.21 | liable | Guerin: you dont like mushrooms? |
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| 08:15.43 | Guerin | liable: i love mushrooms, but that pineapple on pizza business is repugnant |
| 08:15.57 | simonrvn | tastes awful |
| 08:16.00 | liable | ugh, it took me years to be able to eat mushrooms after my youthfull enthuism for the blue ones :) |
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| 08:16.13 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:16.16 | simonrvn | and don't get me started on turnips *EEEEW* |
| 08:16.30 | simonrvn | most bitter thing i've ever tasted |
| 08:17.09 | Guerin | this guy spent the last two years of highskool in berlin growing ganja in his kitchen and selling it while avoiding the russian mafia, then came back to NZ to do a double degree in commerce and ecology |
| 08:17.37 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 08:17.50 | liable | he'll probably grow up to be a politition |
| 08:18.10 | Guerin | heh |
| 08:18.13 | Guerin | i doubt that |
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| 08:18.42 | Guerin | his wife is awesome, though |
| 08:18.50 | Guerin | speaks german, french, english and russian natively |
| 08:19.15 | Guerin | came to NZ and studied english, latin, greek and maori at university |
| 08:19.37 | Guerin | and just got a $75k phd scholarship to study madness in ancient literature |
| 08:20.01 | liable | what, wether the old literates were mad? |
| 08:20.09 | Guerin | dunno |
| 08:20.12 | cydork | $75K?? |
| 08:20.26 | Guerin | cydork: takes a lot of work to do a doctorate |
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| 08:20.52 | Guerin | that's less than two years income, quite apart from research costs |
| 08:20.54 | cydork | Guerin: i guess so, that's why dont wanna do it. |
| 08:21.05 | Guerin | yeah |
| 08:21.29 | Guerin | i'm trying to decide whether I can justify a MA or MIR next year |
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| 08:21.44 | ace_me | I have a debian installed and I have to redetect my mouse ! what command to use please |
| 08:21.54 | ace_me | X enter after reboot but mouse pointer is not moving |
| 08:21.56 | Guerin | ace_me: what do you mean by redetect |
| 08:22.00 | cydork | ace_me: which version have you installed? |
| 08:22.09 | Guerin | ace_me: modprobe psmouse |
| 08:22.38 | ace_me | can't locate module psmouse |
| 08:22.50 | zoddan | någon som har koll på hur man konverterar ARM-filer till MP3 eller WAV? |
| 08:22.59 | Guerin | ace_me: you're not running any sort of debian I know |
| 08:23.32 | Guerin | zoddan: english. If you want to recode from mp3, you need to decode to wave first. |
| 08:23.52 | zoddan | jag sa MP3 eller wav |
| 08:23.55 | zoddan | skitsamma vilket |
| 08:23.59 | Guerin | zoddan: the re-encoding process will cause severe lossage |
| 08:24.23 | zoddan | skitamma |
| 08:24.24 | Guerin | zoddan: i don';t speak swedish |
| 08:24.26 | zoddan | bara det blir wav eller nått |
| 08:24.37 | zoddan | telefonen ifråga stödjer inte arm |
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| 08:25.02 | liable | zoddan: dude, english please |
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| 08:25.30 | zoddan | wrong channel :P |
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| 08:27.05 | blondie | zoddan: asdasdsad ewewrew ydsfsd qrewkj wqerewqrkj 32432 4klasj 1!?! |
| 08:27.39 | cydork | hehhe |
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| 08:27.49 | dekup | hi. i installed debian sarge 3.11 unstable(netinstall). and after installation when i type "apt-get install x-window-system" it gives error : "dependencies xorg".. i cant install xorg also. what should i do? |
| 08:27.49 | Guerin | you could at least have used rot13 |
| 08:27.59 | Guerin | dekup: oh, wait up there |
| 08:28.08 | Guerin | dekup: sarge is neither 3.11 nor unstable |
| 08:28.28 | cydork | dekup: and sarge doesn't have xorg also |
| 08:28.30 | dekup | sorry 3.1 |
| 08:28.38 | Guerin | dekup: what you should do is install proper sarge |
| 08:28.59 | Guerin | dekup: or if you want bling, install etch using the beta installer |
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| 08:30.50 | dekup | this is the first time i install linux. someone said try debian and i got the install froum debian.org. there was only one : Debian GNU/Linux 3.1 r3 "Sarge" - Official i386 Binary-1 CD ..... is it wrong? cant i install x-window-system to this? |
| 08:30.57 | Ginks | there's no chkconfig for debian? |
| 08:31.11 | cydork | Ginks: no there is update-rc.d |
| 08:31.33 | liable | oooh baby, this pizza is gonna rock, even managed to purchase some jalopenos (though i would rather have had hotter chillies :) |
| 08:31.36 | cydork | dekup: apt-get install xserver-xfree86 |
| 08:31.47 | liable | !services |
| 08:31.47 | dpkg | somebody said services was to view and alter system services, use one or more of rcconf, sysvconfig, sysv-rc-conf, update-rc.d or ls, ln and rm in /etc/rc?.d/, or /etc/services a port numbers list, or http://www.iana.org/assignments/port-numbers |
| 08:31.52 | liable | meh |
| 08:32.16 | liable | Ginks: theres sysvconfig, and a couple of others i cant think of atm |
| 08:32.21 | liable | rcconf |
| 08:32.28 | dekup | cant i install xorg ? |
| 08:32.46 | cydork | !tell dekup about sarge xorg |
| 08:33.27 | liable | dekup: if you have just installed, and getting dependancy errors, what have you done to your sources.list? |
| 08:34.07 | dekup | nothing |
| 08:34.15 | dekup | i didnt change it |
| 08:34.18 | Hoxzer_ | 6:) |
| 08:35.01 | liable | dekup: paste it on a paster |
| 08:35.33 | liable | dekup: also the errors from apt when you try and install x |
| 08:35.51 | dekup | i am using windows now. i couldnt install a irc prg |
| 08:35.54 | liable | dekup: the file is /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 08:36.01 | liable | hrm |
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| 08:36.18 | dekup | but i can wrote what was there |
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| 08:37.26 | dekup | deb http://tr.ftp.debian.org/ stable main non-free contrib(like this) and deb-src same link |
| 08:37.36 | dekup | and unstable and testing links |
| 08:37.44 | Hoxzer_ | :) I just love curry nuudles when I cold |
| 08:37.46 | liable | dekup: boot into debian, install irssi-text, open a xterm, type irssi, in irssi type /connect irc.freenode.net, then /j #debian |
| 08:37.55 | cydork | dekup: unstable and testing links? |
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| 08:38.09 | Malagmyr | Can I somehow make an AllowUser list for postfix? Currently, one is allowed to send mail to www-data, root, proxy, and all sorts of accounts I don't want to recieve and store mail... |
| 08:38.18 | dekup | unstable stable and testing links |
| 08:38.37 | dekup | when it didnt work, i added them.. it didnt work again |
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| 08:39.00 | jusson | i have created a bootable partition is a new drive and then dd everything over fr an old drive. then i set the bios to boot fr the new drive but it can't boot up. why? |
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| 08:40.03 | cydork | jusson: what do you mean it can boot up? mbr? grub ? or wht? |
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| 08:40.29 | jusson | cyclork: only a blinking cursor at the top left corner of screen. |
| 08:40.50 | artifex | Is there a way to install a package from apt into a mixed system marking only the required versions from different releases and no more... in other words is there something a little more discerning than apt-get -t? |
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| 08:41.13 | liable | jusson: you need to install grub to the mbr, or copy the mbr with sfdisk |
| 08:41.49 | cydork | !tell artifex about pinning |
| 08:41.51 | liable | artifex: theres a --version flag (for aptitude at least) |
| 08:41.53 | ace_me | Guerin I have a Debian PC close to me |
| 08:41.55 | jusson | ok, i'll look up sdfisk, thks. |
| 08:42.02 | ace_me | how could I redetect the mouse? |
| 08:42.05 | ace_me | Xconfig ? |
| 08:42.21 | liable | jusson: much easier to just boot from old disk, and mount new one and install grub to it |
| 08:42.22 | artifex | cydork: I mean for dependencies |
| 08:42.34 | cydork | artifex: but frankly you dont want to mix a stable and other relesease . |
| 08:42.50 | liable | artifex: try mdetect |
| 08:42.55 | jusson | liable: last step, install grub to it, how? |
| 08:43.14 | liable | jusson: grub-install hd<foo> |
| 08:43.29 | jusson | liable: great, thks. |
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| 08:46.48 | ace_me | any help to setup the mouse under Debian |
| 08:47.16 | jusson | liable: grub-install /dev/sda1 |
| 08:47.18 | jusson | /dev/sda1 does not have any corresponding BIOS drive. |
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| 08:48.48 | ace_me | anyone please tell me how to setup/reconfigure X |
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| 08:49.46 | cydork | !tell ace_me about drxx |
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| 08:51.52 | liable | jusson: try sda |
| 08:52.13 | jusson | liable: done that, some problem. |
| 08:52.39 | liable | jusson: gimme 10, eating pizza.. |
| 08:52.41 | cydork | jusson: do you have that device? |
| 08:52.59 | jusson | liable: ok, enjoy your meal. |
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| 08:53.25 | jusson | cydork: definitely. it shows in /proc/partitions |
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| 08:53.50 | dutchfish | Anyone have a clue (after succesfully nstalled xen several times on etc) why hypervisor hangs on boot after scrubbing ram? |
| 08:54.02 | jusson | and I have mounted it, as shown in mtab. |
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| 08:55.20 | freespace | looking after a linux compatible usb wifi adapter, recommendations anny one ? |
| 08:56.12 | cydork | freespace: i have a netgear wg111T atheros based. works well with netgear but no monitor mode :P |
| 08:56.29 | cydork | freespace: s/netgear/ndiswrapper/ |
| 08:56.37 | cydork | damn i need a coffee |
| 08:56.42 | freespace | thanks cydork. llooking for one that works well in all modes :) |
| 08:56.42 | ace_me | I have a optical 3 button wheel mouse and I've setup ps2aux under x ! shouyld be ok ? |
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| 08:57.49 | cydork | freespace: i think prism based cards work in monitor mode, but not too sure |
| 08:57.50 | jusson | freespace: i use a pci-based Belkin with rt2500 chipset. supports monitor mode. consider Belkin if it has USB version. |
| 08:58.21 | freespace | jusson: noted, my thanks |
| 08:58.31 | jusson | rt2500 is well supported in debian. easy to set-up |
| 08:58.43 | freespace | ah, good to know |
| 08:59.05 | cydork | freespace: or check http://linux-wless.passys.nl/query_chipset.php?chipset=Prism&zoek=Show |
| 08:59.29 | freespace | ah, most excellent |
| 08:59.33 | freespace | dankie cydork |
| 08:59.44 | dutchfish | freespace, if you dont mind an extra external device a belkin wireless bridge need no drivers at all, just connect it to your stanard eth0 ethernet card. |
| 09:00.50 | freespace | cool dutchfish. i am looking to find such a device because i want to sometimes connect a rather important business machine running windows to the internet for updates of its core applications |
| 09:01.05 | freespace | through wireless, i just thought i might as well get one i can use with my other linux based laptops too :) |
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| 09:02.04 | dutchfish | freespace, this device can be xetremely easy configured to your browser btw |
| 09:02.19 | liable | jusson: make any difference if you chroot to it? |
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| 09:02.50 | jusson | chroot /dev/sda1? |
| 09:02.50 | freespace | dutchfish: i will take a look at it, sounds like an ace way to do things |
| 09:03.41 | dutchfish | freespace, specially when you need it know and then but not continously |
| 09:04.14 | freespace | *nod* didn't realise such device existed, thanks for the heads up dutchfish :) |
| 09:04.32 | liable | jusson: chroot to the mountpoint its on |
| 09:04.50 | jusson | ok, checking. |
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| 09:05.46 | jusson | liabel: i get: chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': No such file or directory |
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| 09:07.10 | ttl_work | greetings everyone |
| 09:08.10 | liable | jusson: google that one, its a common error, and i cant remember, been a while since ive had it |
| 09:08.11 | SirCosmin | hi 2 all |
| 09:08.13 | SirCosmin | i have a simple question |
| 09:08.16 | SirCosmin | i wan`t to download debian ... i`ve entered the directory but there are actually like 20 images ... |
| 09:08.22 | SirCosmin | which should i get ? |
| 09:08.34 | SirCosmin | the adress is http://ftp.ro.debian.org/debian-cd/current/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 09:08.46 | jusson | liable: that's what i was doing. i am going to look at /boot/grub/device.map |
| 09:08.58 | liable | SirCosmin: you have a good connection with non exotic hardware |
| 09:09.09 | cydork | jusson: try grub menu. and rootnoverify option |
| 09:09.17 | SirCosmin | i use FreshDownload |
| 09:09.23 | jusson | ok |
| 09:09.25 | cydork | jusson: not menu. grub shell i mena |
| 09:09.28 | SirCosmin | my connection is ok |
| 09:09.48 | SirCosmin | which one should i chose ? |
| 09:09.54 | liable | SirCosmin: the netinst or cd1 should be fine |
| 09:09.59 | cydork | SirCosmin: if you have good enough netconnection go for netinst |
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| 09:10.29 | SirCosmin | i wan`t to download the full iso`s ... |
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| 09:10.33 | SirCosmin | how many cd`s i need ... |
| 09:10.47 | SirCosmin | i have in slacware like to cd`s ... here are 14 or someth` like that ... |
| 09:10.58 | SirCosmin | i wan`t the iso`s on the cd`s ... after that i wan`t to install them ... |
| 09:10.59 | Guerin | SirCosmin: just get cd1` |
| 09:11.36 | jusson | hi, /dev/sda is not in the device.map. should i add it in? |
| 09:11.38 | SirCosmin | i also wan`t gnome and kde ... i don`t think 1 cd would be enough ... |
| 09:11.50 | cydork | SirCosmin: well normal desktop should not need more than first 4-5 cds i guess |
| 09:12.08 | SirCosmin | ;) |
| 09:12.16 | RolandU | hi all! I am searching for a simple tool for ripping&encoding CDs to mp3..... however all the packages I found so far will only create ogg or flac. |
| 09:12.20 | SirCosmin | how many cd`s does a debian distribution includes ? |
| 09:12.37 | enouf | RolandU: cdparanoia |
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| 09:13.55 | enouf | gives cydork a fresh cup-o-joe ...enjoys one himself :-) |
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| 09:14.30 | RolandU | enouf, does cdparanoia include cddb-support? |
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| 09:14.45 | dutchfish | SirCosmin, why not use a net install on a local mirror on th enet? |
| 09:15.13 | cydork | SirCosmin: 14 binaries, 1 netisnt |
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| 09:15.43 | dutchfish | RolandU did you serach in th enon-free section? |
| 09:16.00 | SirCosmin | ;) |
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| 09:16.17 | enouf | RolandU: database and id3tagging? not sure - see the package for details - do 'apt-cache show cdparanoia' |
| 09:16.23 | SirCosmin | so i need 14 cd`s ... i`ll try the net install dutchfish ... |
| 09:16.39 | elementz | hi everybody |
| 09:16.39 | RolandU | dutchfish, yes, I searched non-free |
| 09:16.52 | dutchfish | SirCosmin, works alot faster :) |
| 09:17.01 | SirCosmin | ;)) |
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| 09:17.11 | SirCosmin | i use now slacware ... and i wan`t to switch do debian ... |
| 09:17.12 | SirCosmin | ;) |
| 09:17.13 | smellydog | hi |
| 09:17.29 | cydork | SirCosmin: good for you :) |
| 09:17.30 | RolandU | Some time ago I used grip..... it has cddb and creates mp3s..... however during one of the recent upgrades I lost the encoder it used. |
| 09:17.53 | dutchfish | RolandU, with streaming you also can use windows codecs par example search on the ubuntu site with mplayer |
| 09:18.36 | RolandU | I don't want to use windows codecs |
| 09:18.38 | dutchfish | RolandU i believe the encoder was named 'lame'? |
| 09:19.18 | RolandU | my new car-radio supports mp3, therefore I need mp3..... |
| 09:19.55 | enouf | RolandU: I can rip with cdparanoia, then can use cdrecord + lame for very specific mp3 encoding |
| 09:20.55 | dutchfish | RolandU what about ripperX ? |
| 09:21.01 | RolandU | Package lame is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:21.27 | dutchfish | RolandU lame is in the non-free section? |
| 09:21.33 | azeem | no, it's not packages |
| 09:21.37 | azeem | patent issues |
| 09:21.41 | RolandU | dutchfish, non-free is enabled. |
| 09:21.46 | azeem | it should be on debian-multimedia |
| 09:22.12 | RolandU | azeem, so did they disable all the packages able to create mp3 due to patent issues? |
| 09:22.32 | dutchfish | RolandU sort of |
| 09:22.46 | RolandU | ah, ok |
| 09:24.36 | dutchfish | RolandU look at this :) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=37793 |
| 09:26.05 | elementz | guys - i need help to set up a proper and safe directory structure on my debian server running lighttpd with root user and normal user - the normal user beeing the one who is supposed to run all main processes |
| 09:26.26 | elementz | are there any good tutorials on how to set up a safe directory structure for servers? |
| 09:29.01 | dutchfish | elementz, not an answer to you q, but why not a setup with apache2 + suexec? |
| 09:29.29 | elementz | dutchfish: whats suexec? |
| 09:29.47 | elementz | does that enable me to run apache as su? |
| 09:30.04 | dutchfish | elementz, a way of securely running http as an non-priv user |
| 09:30.26 | elementz | dutchfish: sounds good - but i need to run lighty |
| 09:31.11 | elementz | setting up symbolic links to the root dir won't work i guess? |
| 09:31.18 | dutchfish | elementz, look at the tutor the perfect debian setup. The whole enchelada will run in about 40mb of mem |
| 09:31.41 | elementz | dutchfish: wheres that? you got a link? |
| 09:32.04 | dutchfish | elementz, just google on the perfect debian setup |
| 09:32.08 | elementz | kk |
| 09:34.31 | elementz | dutchfish doesn't help me much though ;-) |
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| 09:35.29 | elementz | dutchfish: actually i need to know how to run lighttpd and sql an the likes without su privileges |
| 09:35.30 | dutchfish | elementz, why not? |
| 09:35.43 | elementz | << |
| 09:35.53 | ace_me | what could be usbcontrol - bulkmsg timeout ! I've attached my mouse to usb ! at booty time Debian seen mouse at usb but than lot of msgs as mouse already installed and core already loaded |
| 09:35.54 | dutchfish | elementz, did you man lighthttpd? |
| 09:35.59 | elementz | yep |
| 09:36.06 | elementz | i hate man though |
| 09:36.08 | elementz | ;-) |
| 09:36.37 | dutchfish | elementz, because i am not sure if lighthttpd is what you want, i.e. i dont believe it has this option |
| 09:37.09 | elementz | dutchfish: ok thx anyways |
| 09:37.31 | dutchfish | elementz, but you could alter the etc/init.d/lighthttpd script |
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| 09:38.09 | elementz | dutchfish: ah, that might be a solution |
| 09:38.27 | dutchfish | elementz, to user nobody, i dont know if you can get away with this, you have to try |
| 09:38.56 | elementz | dutchfish: i will - if not i guess i'll have to stay under root |
| 09:39.38 | dutchfish | elementz, then you will not have a save env, but you can let it have a chrooted envirement like all packages |
| 09:40.06 | elementz | dutchfish: whats chrooted again? altered r/w permissions? |
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| 09:40.55 | dutchfish | elementz, apt-cache show jailer |
| 09:40.58 | kristalino | can anyone tell me how to know if a .sql file is encoded utf8 or wich code is it ? |
| 09:41.01 | cydork | ace_me: x doesn't start? |
| 09:41.21 | elementz | dutchfish: huh? |
| 09:42.08 | dutchfish | elementz, to build a chrooted envirenment |
| 09:42.54 | elementz | dutchfish: ah kk |
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| 09:44.23 | RolandU | I just found lame on debian-unofficial |
| 09:44.45 | dutchfish | elementz, also look at the package thy, it might have what you need not sure, at least its damn small |
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| 09:45.06 | elementz | dutchfish: kk thx - i'll have a look into that |
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| 09:48.00 | ace_me | cydork X is starting ! |
| 09:48.12 | ace_me | but mouse pointer is not moving |
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| 09:48.55 | ace_me | it seems that I've talked alone from debian console ! no msg's from there for a while :) |
| 09:49.16 | ace_me | core already loaded appear few times at reboot |
| 09:50.03 | ace_me | X is diplayed than a black screen appear than again x than again a black screen than error |
| 09:50.08 | ace_me | h e l p |
| 09:50.40 | ace_me | my f...g windows is still ok :( and I can't get a debian working fine |
| 09:51.07 | ace_me | cydork are you arround ? |
| 09:51.25 | cydork | ace_me: check the X log in /var/log |
| 09:51.29 | ace_me | could I do something like a found hardware changes ? |
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| 09:53.13 | liable | !drxx ace_me_debian |
| 09:53.13 | dpkg | ace_me_debian: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
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| 09:55.04 | ace_me | I am typeing in the debian console but nothing shown here ? |
| 09:55.06 | ace_me | why ? |
| 09:55.41 | ace_me | cydork I see in the log cannot initialize core devices |
| 09:55.49 | liable | ace_me: because you are irc'ing as root. log out and start your client as user |
| 09:55.52 | cydork | !tell ace_me_debian about root |
| 09:56.26 | ace_me | should I create than a user ! |
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| 09:57.45 | liable | ace_me: you should have created on during install.. |
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| 10:02.18 | ace_meusr | hi cydork |
| 10:02.24 | ace_meusr | I am ok now ? |
| 10:02.40 | cydork | ace_meusr: yes |
| 10:02.44 | cydork | :) |
| 10:02.59 | ace_meusr | so could I copy and paste in text mode the log ? |
| 10:03.14 | cydork | ace_meusr: use a paster |
| 10:03.16 | cydork | !paster |
| 10:03.16 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 10:03.19 | ace_meusr | it said no core pointer |
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| 10:03.57 | ace_meusr | I am in mc |
| 10:04.22 | cydork | ace_meusr: which version of debian are you using? which device did you spacified for the usb mouse? |
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| 10:04.47 | ace_meusr | I've marked and copied the text |
| 10:05.00 | ace_meusr | how to check the version ? |
| 10:05.07 | liable | ace_meusr: you can install gpm and paste from the console, paste stuff in #flood as its easier than using a console browser if you arent used to one |
| 10:05.29 | ace_meusr | install gpm |
| 10:05.47 | ace_meusr | how to install gpm ? |
| 10:05.54 | cydork | ace_meusr: apt-get install gpm |
| 10:06.48 | ace_meusr | gpm is already installed |
| 10:07.14 | liable | do you have a mouse cursor in console? |
| 10:07.30 | ace_meusr | no |
| 10:07.39 | ace_meusr | I am alone:) |
| 10:07.46 | liable | !usb mouse |
| 10:07.46 | dpkg | methinks usb mouse is "MAKEDEV input", or apt-get install kernel-doc-`uname -r` && zless /usr/share/doc/kernel-doc-`uname -r`/Documentation/usb/input.txt.gz or ask me about "usbmouse" |
| 10:07.56 | liable | !usbmouse |
| 10:07.56 | dpkg | it has been said that usbmouse is [1] get a kernel with USB, USB mouse and input/HID support; standard Debian kernels have all this. [2] cd /dev && MAKEDEV usb && MAKEDEV input [3] apt-get install usbmgr or hotplug (or if that fails, modprobe {usb}hid and mousedev by hand); [5] use device /dev/input/mice, protocol exps2 for gpm, protocol ExplorerPS/2 for X. On a modern system only [5] is necessary. |
| 10:07.58 | ace_meusr | I moved the mouse to PS2 |
| 10:08.23 | ace_meusr | the lights are on in the mouse so there is a connection |
| 10:08.33 | ace_meusr | also on my second hdd if I boot to win is ok |
| 10:08.34 | cydork | ace_meusr: cat cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:08.39 | liable | ace_meusr: what version of debian? |
| 10:08.45 | cydork | with only one cat :P |
| 10:08.46 | ace_meusr | cat /etc/debian_versiojn |
| 10:08.48 | ace_meusr | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 10:09.03 | ace_meusr | :) could I copy here the text ? |
| 10:09.12 | masadd | is flashplayer9 out? |
| 10:09.30 | ace_meusr | 3.1 |
| 10:09.32 | liable | do we even have 8 yet? |
| 10:09.44 | ace_meusr | so the version is 3.1 |
| 10:09.45 | cydork | liable: we might have 9 directly. |
| 10:10.21 | ace_meusr | how to copy and paste with gpm? do you still want my log ? |
| 10:10.26 | liable | ace_meusr: grep -i ee /var/log/Xfree86.0.log |
| 10:10.41 | cydork | liable: check http://blogs.adobe.com/penguin.swf/2006/09/customizing_ubuntu_live_cd_606_1.html |
| 10:10.58 | liable | cydork: i aint that interested actually :) |
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| 10:11.14 | cydork | liable: then dont even look at the link :) |
| 10:11.15 | cydork | hehe |
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| 10:11.41 | joel | /server irclatinos.org |
| 10:11.49 | LoRez | Warning: `joel' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
| 10:11.51 | joel | /server irclatinos.org |
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| 10:11.59 | cydork | !ops joel spamming |
| 10:11.59 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: cydork complains about: joel spamming |
| 10:12.15 | ace_meusr | no such file |
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| 10:12.24 | joel | /server irclatinos.org |
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| 10:12.27 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@cc1.gbe1.alter.net] by azeem |
| 10:12.27 | *** mode/#debian [-o azeem] by azeem |
| 10:12.51 | liable | !beer azeem |
| 10:13.03 | azeem | s/Optimator/Wiesnbier/ |
| 10:13.07 | liable | ace_meusr: use tab completion |
| 10:13.11 | peterS | I've heard of joelonsoftware.com, is this joelondrugs.com? |
| 10:13.26 | ace_meusr | not working tab completion liable :( |
| 10:13.31 | ace_meusr | I don't know why |
| 10:13.32 | enouf | ace_meusr: try with XFree86.0.log , but I honestly forget the exact syntax of the xfree log file |
| 10:13.43 | ace_meusr | the name is ok |
| 10:13.52 | ace_meusr | but the path could be wrong |
| 10:14.04 | liable | ace_meusr: ls /var/log |
| 10:14.26 | ace_meusr | I am on / folder from there I see var as a subdir |
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| 10:14.49 | k7499 | /server irclatinos.org |
| 10:14.49 | h9277 | /server irclatinos.org |
| 10:14.50 | k7499 | /server irclatinos.org |
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| 10:14.50 | k7499 | /server irclatinos.org |
| 10:14.50 | LoRez | Warning: `h9277,k7499' seems to be spamming, please discontinue or kicks/kills/klines will be issued. |
| 10:14.50 | h9277 | /server irclatinos.org |
| 10:14.50 | k7499 | /server irclatinos.org |
| 10:14.51 | h9277 | /server irclatinos.org |
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| 10:14.54 | ace_meusr | ok copied |
| 10:14.58 | ace_meusr | grep -i ee |
| 10:14.59 | cydork | wtf?? |
| 10:15.00 | ace_meusr | ow ? |
| 10:15.01 | enouf | ace_meusr: no "folders" in *nix |
| 10:15.09 | ace_meusr | ok |
| 10:15.14 | ace_meusr | l;inks ? |
| 10:15.29 | enouf | ace_meusr: Directories |
| 10:15.50 | enouf | ace_meusr: dir for short |
| 10:15.54 | ace_meusr | ok enouf |
| 10:16.04 | ace_meusr | so after grep ? |
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| 10:17.21 | ace_meusr | preinit failed for input device GENERIC MOUSE |
| 10:17.36 | ace_meusr | cannot open device/mice |
| 10:17.56 | cydork | ace_meusr: which device are you using? |
| 10:19.12 | ace_meusr | dev/ps2 |
| 10:19.28 | ace_meusr | dev/psaux |
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| 10:19.36 | ace_meusr | mouse is in ps2 connector |
| 10:19.47 | ace_meusr | cydork: is that ok ? |
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| 10:20.02 | elpito | zdr |
| 10:20.11 | ka59-a | /dev/psaux, or /dev/input/mice |
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| 10:20.27 | ace_meusr | let me try with /mice |
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| 10:20.44 | ace_meusr | emulate 3 buttons ? |
| 10:20.59 | ace_meusr | it has 3 buttons |
| 10:20.59 | cydork | ace_meusr: i thought you had a 3 button mouse? |
| 10:21.06 | cydork | ace_meusr: then no |
| 10:21.12 | ace_meusr | yes I have but I am more than confused now |
| 10:21.17 | ace_meusr | it look like a guru matter |
| 10:21.31 | cydork | !confuse ace_meusr |
| 10:21.31 | dpkg | Yes, those was their badger tomorrow, ace_meusr? lederhosen of the democracy of micronesia with extra cheese |
| 10:22.36 | monocle | baffling dpkg makes monocle feel like a cyclops |
| 10:22.51 | ace_meusr | cannot open devi... /mice |
| 10:23.09 | monocle | ls /dev/input |
| 10:24.50 | ace_meusr | it again said /input/mice but I've switched to PS2 in dpkg -reconfigure xserver xfree86 |
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| 10:25.21 | azeem | ace_meusr: do you have the mousedev module loaded? |
| 10:25.37 | monocle | /dev/input/mice handles all mice IIRC -- input layer |
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| 10:25.54 | ace_meusr | xf86 openserial ? |
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| 10:26.03 | ace_meusr | it said about that |
| 10:26.33 | azeem | oh, you run stable |
| 10:26.40 | ace_meusr | modprobe mosuedv said: |
| 10:26.56 | ace_meusr | ps2 mouse device common for al mice |
| 10:27.10 | azeem | do you have /dev/input/mice now? |
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| 10:27.23 | ace_meusr | I have dev/psaux |
| 10:27.27 | azeem | do you have /dev/input/mice now? |
| 10:27.33 | ace_meusr | I've configured as psaux |
| 10:27.35 | azeem | do you have /dev/input/mice now? |
| 10:27.46 | ace_meusr | where azeem ? |
| 10:27.49 | azeem | ? |
| 10:27.53 | monocle | ? |
| 10:27.59 | azeem | do you have the file /dev/input/mice? |
| 10:28.05 | cydork | ace_meusr: ll /dev/input/mice |
| 10:28.08 | ace_meusr | where should I have input/mice ? |
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| 10:28.16 | azeem | ace_meusr: /dev/input/mice |
| 10:28.22 | cydork | fuck use ls :) |
| 10:28.49 | monocle | ignore the ps2 vs usb issue for the moment |
| 10:28.56 | ace_meusr | yes I have a file mice |
| 10:29.00 | enouf | ace_meusr: there is no such thing as "dev/psaux" .. - there may possibly be a "/dev/psaux" |
| 10:29.04 | ace_meusr | and mosue0 1 2 3 |
| 10:29.14 | azeem | ace_meusr: then point xserver-xfree86 config to it |
| 10:29.17 | azeem | and try that |
| 10:29.21 | ace_meusr | to mice ? |
| 10:29.24 | azeem | yes |
| 10:29.34 | azeem | it's worth a try I guess |
| 10:30.22 | ace_meusr | in dpkg_configure xserve3r xfree86 I don't have any /dev/mice |
| 10:30.28 | azeem | eh |
| 10:30.32 | azeem | /dev/input/mice |
| 10:30.41 | ace_meusr | oh yes I have |
| 10:31.02 | ace_meusr | ok configured |
| 10:31.06 | ace_meusr | now I do startX |
| 10:31.31 | ace_meusr | startx |
| 10:32.06 | ace_meusr | is started but mouse is not moving |
| 10:32.21 | azeem | then you might have configured the wrong protocol |
| 10:32.34 | ace_meusr | where ? |
| 10:32.46 | azeem | in dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 10:32.48 | ace_meusr | in the same dpkg_reconfig |
| 10:32.49 | ace_meusr | ? |
| 10:32.51 | ace_meusr | ok |
| 10:32.57 | azeem | it asks you for the protocol and device file |
| 10:33.57 | ace_meusr | I see no protocol asking !? |
| 10:34.33 | ace_meusr | /dev/input/mice tHAN IF i WANT TO ENABLE 3 BUTTON EMULATOR |
| 10:34.43 | ace_meusr | sorry for caps |
| 10:35.22 | enouf | ace_meusr: say Yes to 3 button emulation |
| 10:35.28 | ace_meusr | i remember that few weeks ago someone managed to make it work somehow but than it crashed after a while |
| 10:35.36 | ace_meusr | I've said that |
| 10:35.46 | ace_meusr | yes for 3 buttons and yes for scroll events |
| 10:35.51 | ace_meusr | hiow could I restart x |
| 10:36.02 | enouf | ctrl+alt+backspace |
| 10:36.36 | ace_meusr | nothing after restart |
| 10:36.41 | ace_meusr | same unmovable pointer |
| 10:36.49 | ace_meusr | :( :( :( |
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| 10:37.02 | smellydog | using optical mouse? |
| 10:37.07 | ace_meusr | yes |
| 10:37.10 | smellydog | and usb port? |
| 10:37.13 | ace_meusr | no ps2 |
| 10:37.18 | ace_meusr | is ps2 |
| 10:37.26 | azeem | ace_meusr: try `mdetect -x' |
| 10:37.49 | ace_meusr | no output for that command |
| 10:37.54 | ace_meusr | should I restart x now ? |
| 10:38.07 | azeem | if you think it is useful |
| 10:38.25 | azeem | you can try dpkg-reconfigure -plow xserver-xfree86 to get asked more questions |
| 10:38.45 | ace_meusr | ok |
| 10:39.03 | enouf | ace_meusr: try as root 'cat /dev/input/mice' and then move the mouse ...anything ? Ctrl+C to quit |
| 10:39.40 | ace_meusr | same number of questions !!! |
| 10:39.48 | azeem | ace_meusr: one ! is enough |
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| 10:40.31 | smellydog | try reconnect the mouse |
| 10:40.45 | ace_meusr | no answer from cat /dev/input/mice enouf |
| 10:40.54 | ace_meusr | cursor goes on next line and nothing |
| 10:41.11 | ace_meusr | not ended the command also |
| 10:41.19 | enouf | ace_meusr: she's dead jim |
| 10:41.30 | enouf | <jk> |
| 10:41.41 | ace_meusr | who's dead ? |
| 10:41.43 | ace_meusr | mouse ? |
| 10:41.45 | azeem | it was a joke |
| 10:41.46 | ace_meusr | me also |
| 10:41.48 | ace_meusr | :) |
| 10:42.01 | ace_meusr | command is still not finished |
| 10:42.17 | enouf | press ctrl+c |
| 10:42.27 | cydork | ace_meusr: cat /dev/psaux |
| 10:42.29 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 10:42.30 | dpkg | i guess bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 10:42.31 | ace_meusr | ok |
| 10:42.33 | cydork | ace_meusr: and move mouse |
| 10:42.50 | gean | hi all! new (cheapest) laptop got debian on it! some sound problems only... how can i configue it properly ?! |
| 10:43.01 | ace_meusr | cat /dev/psaux no such device |
| 10:43.08 | cydork | gean: /msg dpkg alsa one-liner |
| 10:43.31 | enouf | ace_meusr: 'lsmod | grep mouse' |
| 10:43.54 | ace_meusr | mousedv 3604 |
| 10:44.04 | ace_meusr | input 3040 |
| 10:44.12 | ace_meusr | (autoclean mousedev |
| 10:44.13 | monocle | stock kernel? |
| 10:44.13 | enouf | ace_meusr: modprobe psmouse |
| 10:44.34 | ace_meusr | can't locate module psmouse |
| 10:44.42 | enouf | oh boy |
| 10:44.43 | azeem | ace_meusr: did you compile your kernel yourself? |
| 10:44.50 | azeem | ace_meusr: what does `uname -r' say? |
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| 10:44.54 | mcgreg | hi |
| 10:44.58 | ace_meusr | nope azeem |
| 10:45.21 | azeem | ace_meusr: what does `uname -r' say? |
| 10:45.24 | ace_meusr | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 10:45.57 | Malagmyr | I'm making a list of trusted hosts, and I've added 192.168.1.1/24. However, I also want to add one external IP, but it has to be in CIDR notation... How the heck does one IP look in CIDR? 123.123.123.123/32? |
| 10:46.02 | monocle | (wow) |
| 10:46.02 | mcgreg | I have a small problem. when I want to start firefox, I get a small window, completely empty. there are to gadgets, very small. nothing happend hen I press them. all I can do is quit it, and thats all. If I start firefox from shell, I get no errors |
| 10:46.03 | ka59-a | invoke-rc.d gpm stop ? |
| 10:46.33 | ace_meusr | azeem: should i get new kernel or so? |
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| 10:47.13 | ace_meusr | some updates ? |
| 10:47.24 | ace_meusr | apt-get install updates ? |
| 10:47.27 | gean | cydork: sorry, too cryptic... some synaptic is running in background, there is no alsa package to install (but there are alsa-base, alsa-headers, als-modules...) i just got beeps, but installed bought OS had more |
| 10:47.51 | enouf | ace_meusr: ahhh ... an oldie but goodie, might want to try the 2.6.8-3-686 kernel - what does 'cat /proc/cpuinfo' say about which CPU you have? |
| 10:48.06 | azeem | 2.4.27 should work though |
| 10:48.08 | monocle | There's nothing "wrong" with a 2.4 kernel. |
| 10:48.15 | ka59-a | ace_meusr, if you want updates, you do aptitude update && aptitude upgrade. But it WON'T help you with the mouse. |
| 10:48.31 | ace_meusr | amd 1526 |
| 10:48.37 | azeem | 1526? |
| 10:49.02 | ace_meusr | amd athlon 1800+ |
| 10:49.11 | ace_meusr | cpu Mhz is 1526 |
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| 10:49.25 | cydork | gean: you have to install alsa-base and alsa-utils. And then run alsaconf |
| 10:49.27 | ace_meusr | cache 256 |
| 10:51.10 | ace_meusr | I will have to go |
| 10:51.21 | azeem | ace_meusr: I suggest you reconfigure xserver-xfree86 again and select another mouse protocol |
| 10:51.32 | enouf | azeem : ka59-a : monocle ; 2.4.27-2-386 works even with an "optical" ps/2 mouse? maybe atleast a -2-686 if one even exists ? |
| 10:52.03 | enouf | not that a 686 should matter for a mouse ... but |
| 10:52.27 | monocle | after `cat /dev/psaux` yielded nothing it sounded like the mouse driver module wasn't loaded. |
| 10:52.35 | azeem | there's /dev/input/mice |
| 10:52.41 | jes-o-mat | Hi |
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| 10:53.00 | monocle | For the life of me I can't remember how 2.4 handled things as the input layer changed with 2.6 |
| 10:53.01 | jes-o-mat | where's a list of etch freezed packages? |
| 10:53.17 | enouf | monocle: ok .. I see - and neither did 'cat /dev/input/mice' - oh well |
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| 10:53.33 | monocle | plus, devfs, etc.. |
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| 10:53.54 | fwtest | how can you find a username from uid? ex, i want to know which username has the uid 100, how can i do ths? |
| 10:54.11 | tarzeau | fwtest: maybe using getent, mostly with grep on /etc/passwd |
| 10:54.13 | MarcWeber | Which command do I use on debian to search for rngd-tools? I've tried rpm seek but no result. My entropy tool is empty and I want to use svn which reads from /dev/random and hangs forever because the pool is empty. |
| 10:54.18 | tarzeau | fwtest: or id user |
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| 10:55.19 | fwtest | tarzeau, id user, returns me the uid from the user, but what i want is to retrieve the username from uid |
| 10:55.32 | tarzeau | fwtest: well then grep in passwd |
| 10:55.34 | cydork | fwtest: grep 100 /etc/passwd |
| 10:55.47 | tarzeau | cydork: will also catch 1001, 1000, 1002... |
| 10:55.51 | fwtest | there is no other tool except that? |
| 10:56.04 | tarzeau | fwtest: maybe getent |
| 10:56.06 | cydork | tarzeau: he can understand that.. :P |
| 10:56.22 | cydork | fwtest: grep ":100:" /etc/passwd |
| 10:56.24 | tarzeau | cydork: better grep for :100: |
| 10:56.24 | fwtest | i mean, you can also use grep /etc/passwd to retrieve the uid from user, but people invented id |
| 10:56.44 | gean | cydork: thanks! it sounded good, but: riemann:/home/dan# alsaconf gave me modinfo: snd: no module by that name found... and finally also other modules could not be installed... thanks but for the hint! i'll search in its neighbourhood the net! |
| 10:57.16 | cydork | gean: which kernel? |
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| 10:58.28 | candyban_ | Hi guys |
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| 10:59.19 | candyban_ | Where can I find the non-US repo for debian unstable? |
| 10:59.54 | cydork | !tell candyban_ about non-us |
| 10:59.55 | Trewas | candyban_: it doesn't exist anymore |
| 11:00.42 | candyban_ | Trewas: ok. Thanks |
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| 11:09.20 | nvz | heh |
| 11:09.49 | fbeyer | I got dependency problems when trying to run an apt-get upgrade. apt-get -f install returns an error code: "trying to overwrite `/usr/share/zoneinfo/Zulu', which is also in package tzdata". Does anyone know how to fix this? |
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| 11:10.31 | nvz | fbeyer: which package is conflicting with tzdata? |
| 11:10.48 | fbeyer | nvz: libc |
| 11:10.54 | nvz | o.O |
| 11:11.04 | fbeyer | "dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge4_i386.deb (--unpack):" |
| 11:11.24 | nvz | fbeyer: are you sure you arent mixing sources? |
| 11:11.29 | fbeyer | (then comes the error i mentioned above) |
| 11:11.52 | nvz | fbeyer: seems strange there would be a bug in a security fix |
| 11:11.54 | fbeyer | yes. It is a fresh virtual private server from my ISP |
| 11:12.17 | fbeyer | i just tried to install the newest security fixes. |
| 11:12.32 | nvz | fbeyer: an obvious solution is to remove or move the file in question.. with unknown consequences |
| 11:12.47 | fbeyer | ;-) Well i got nothing to lose |
| 11:12.50 | nvz | fbeyer: if you move it then you can diff/md5sum later and see if they are the same |
| 11:13.03 | nvz | fbeyer: I would file a bug thats a policy violation |
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| 11:13.47 | fbeyer | nvz: thx |
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| 11:13.51 | cydork | nvz: the release 3 has been released long time back. |
| 11:13.55 | nvz | which means I gotta find my wallet and change clothes like a stipper that just missed her cue |
| 11:14.07 | cydork | nvz: many people must have upgraded. |
| 11:14.27 | nvz | cydork: I;ve considered all that. have any explanation for it? |
| 11:14.42 | nvz | short of mixing sources or using unofficial sources I sure dont |
| 11:15.09 | cydork | nvz: i dont have explanation yet :) |
| 11:15.17 | nvz | ah.. I really am gonna change clothes like a stripper that missed her cue.. cause the shirt I wanted to put on was already on under this |
| 11:15.32 | cydork | nvz: hehe |
| 11:15.35 | nvz | I was just kidding |
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| 11:16.27 | nvz | you're suppose to throw your money ;) |
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| 11:17.28 | nvz | i'd like to go to a strip club one time... with like a few rolls of pennies.. and toss them at em.. tell them I am making wishes |
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| 11:18.00 | nvz | wishes that they werent sleaze balls and had some talent other than getting nekkid |
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| 11:19.06 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 11:19.14 | nvz | I've never been to one.. only way I would get drunk and/or watch women strip is if I was doing it at home and not paying for it .. well I would pay for the alcohol I suppose |
| 11:19.29 | Mazingaro | please, I've got a problem with usb and unstable (2.6.17), no lsusb |
| 11:19.31 | Mazingaro | output |
| 11:19.59 | cydork | nvz: ya same here :) |
| 11:20.38 | cydork | Mazingaro: wht do you mean no output? it doens't detect device or just doesn't print anything? |
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| 11:22.08 | Mazingaro | cydork: no output |
| 11:22.22 | Mazingaro | # lsusb |
| 11:22.23 | Mazingaro | # |
| 11:22.25 | Mazingaro | then |
| 11:22.40 | Mazingaro | I got problem with mouse and usb-ups |
| 11:22.53 | Mazingaro | all modules were loaded |
| 11:23.27 | cydork | Mazingaro: what does lsusb -v say? |
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| 11:23.50 | Mazingaro | cydork: same crap |
| 11:23.53 | Mazingaro | nothing |
| 11:24.16 | cydork | Mazingaro: cat /proc/bus/usb/devices |
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| 11:24.31 | Mazingaro | cat: /proc/bus/usb/devices: No such file or directory |
| 11:24.40 | cydork | Mazingaro: that's the prob.. |
| 11:24.41 | Mazingaro | this is the strange thing |
| 11:24.56 | Mazingaro | which module does the magic? |
| 11:25.02 | Mazingaro | I've got |
| 11:25.07 | cydork | Mazingaro: lsmod|grep usb |
| 11:25.24 | Mazingaro | usbhid 36064 0 |
| 11:25.24 | Mazingaro | usbcore 112384 4 ohci_hcd,spca5xx,usbhid |
| 11:26.31 | Mazingaro | cydork: then? |
| 11:26.39 | Mazingaro | cydork: any ideas? |
| 11:26.58 | cydork | Mazingaro: that should be enough i guess |
| 11:27.09 | Mazingaro | what? |
| 11:27.26 | cydork | i mean those 2 modules should be enough. |
| 11:27.41 | cydork | Mazingaro: you are using a debian kernel right? |
| 11:28.23 | Mazingaro | yes |
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| 11:28.36 | monocle | mount | grep proc ?! |
| 11:29.00 | Mazingaro | proc on /proc type proc (rw,noexec,nosuid,nodev) |
| 11:29.00 | Mazingaro | binfmt_misc on /proc/sys/fs/binfmt_misc type binfmt_misc (rw |
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| 11:30.02 | monocle | lsusb; echo $? |
| 11:30.35 | cydork | monocle: he doesn't have a /proc/bus/usb/devices |
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| 11:30.53 | monocle | looking for error on lsusb exit |
| 11:31.12 | Mazingaro | monocle: 1 |
| 11:31.20 | monocle | How can usb modules be loaded, yet /proc/bus/usb/devices doesn't exist? |
| 11:31.33 | Mazingaro | monocle: very strange indeed I think |
| 11:31.34 | monocle | 1==error of some sort |
| 11:31.39 | monocle | permissions? |
| 11:31.47 | Mazingaro | monocle: I'm root |
| 11:31.51 | Mazingaro | monocle: wait |
| 11:31.57 | Mazingaro | monocle: selinux??? |
| 11:32.32 | Mazingaro | SELINUX=permissive |
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| 11:32.43 | monocle | I don't know anything about selinux myself |
| 11:32.44 | Mazingaro | and no avc messages |
| 11:32.56 | Mazingaro | monocle: very strange |
| 11:33.23 | monocle | even as root devices is 0444, readable by world |
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| 11:33.42 | Mazingaro | lspci returns |
| 11:33.49 | Mazingaro | 00:02.2 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07) |
| 11:33.52 | Mazingaro | 00:02.3 USB Controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] USB 1.0 Controller (rev 07) |
| 11:34.05 | Mazingaro | ohci-dev |
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| 11:34.13 | ins_cro | hello, how can i find pixel color on some picture? |
| 11:34.28 | ins_cro | can i use some program? |
| 11:34.58 | ins_cro | i need to separate some pictures by pixel color on some area ... |
| 11:35.32 | cydork | Mazingaro: lsmod|grep hci_hcd |
| 11:35.32 | Mazingaro | lsusb -t |
| 11:35.32 | Mazingaro | cannot open /proc/bus/usb/devices, No such file or directory (2) |
| 11:35.45 | cydork | Mazingaro: i know that :) |
| 11:35.50 | dendrite | ins_cro: I'd probably use gimp for that. |
| 11:36.17 | monocle | you can ls /proc/bus/usb/devices ? |
| 11:36.34 | Mazingaro | mouse blocked |
| 11:36.40 | cydork | Mazingaro: lsmod|grep uhci_hcd |
| 11:36.42 | Mazingaro | I loaded ohci-hcd |
| 11:36.52 | Mazingaro | then I rmmod it |
| 11:37.06 | Mazingaro | I loose my mouse and rmmod is blocked now |
| 11:37.34 | cydork | !rmmod |
| 11:37.35 | dpkg | i heard rmmod is a command that should not be used, use 'modprobe -r' instead |
| 11:37.37 | cydork | Mazingaro: ^^ |
| 11:37.49 | Mazingaro | gonna reboot |
| 11:37.56 | cydork | Mazingaro: after try modprobe uchi_hcd |
| 11:38.33 | Mazingaro | kill wasn't working |
| 11:38.33 | ins_cro | dendrite: I need some automatization, something that i can use from shell script |
| 11:38.33 | monocle | any usb 2.0 ports? |
| 11:38.34 | Mazingaro | gonna reboot |
| 11:38.49 | dendrite | ins_cro: In that case, It's possible that ImageMagick may have a tool that can help. |
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| 11:40.53 | ins_cro | dendrite: do you know which tool is it, i spent a couple of hours for that :( |
| 11:41.07 | Mazingaro | monocle: here again |
| 11:42.09 | Mazingaro | monocle: shall I load uhci too? |
| 11:42.47 | dendrite | ins_cro: Not off hand. Sorry. |
| 11:42.57 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 11:42.57 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 11:43.03 | cydork | Mazingaro: yes |
| 11:43.06 | ins_cro | dendrite: thanks anyway |
| 11:44.04 | monocle | lspci -v | grep USB should indicate the usb drivers you need |
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| 11:45.08 | Mazingaro | cydork: done |
| 11:45.40 | Mazingaro | no /proc/bus/usb |
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| 11:46.58 | monocle | Ox0F0-0FF, that's good to know... |
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| 11:47.51 | Mazingaro | cydork: usbfs? |
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| 11:48.08 | monocle | cydork, yes! |
| 11:48.30 | ttl- | greetings everyone |
| 11:48.35 | monocle | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:48.44 | qent | hi all |
| 11:49.32 | Ox0F0-0FF | ? |
| 11:49.37 | Ox0F0-0FF | monocle: huh ? |
| 11:49.53 | qent | I have turkish character problem on gnome-terminal-emulator, can i use turkish character on gnome-terminal-emulator ? |
| 11:50.20 | monocle | just joking about the difference between Ox0F0-0FF and Ox0F0-0FF_ |
| 11:50.29 | Mazingaro | cydork: what about usbfs??? |
| 11:50.44 | qent | turk yokmu turk ? |
| 11:51.01 | azeem | qent: please write in english |
| 11:51.07 | azeem | !tr |
| 11:51.07 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
| 11:51.16 | azeem | qent: maybe ask #debian.r |
| 11:51.19 | azeem | eh, #debian.tr |
| 11:51.26 | qent | 10x |
| 11:51.43 | monocle | CONFIG_USB_DEVICEFS=y |
| 11:52.18 | Mazingaro | monocle: usbcore: registered new driver usbfs |
| 11:52.35 | Malagmyr | What users does Courier allow to connect by default? I don't want accounts like root, for instance, to be able to log in with pop... |
| 11:52.39 | cydork | Mazingaro: lsmod|grep hcd |
| 11:52.42 | qent | !tr |
| 11:52.42 | dpkg | rumour has it, tr is türkçe yardIm için #debian.tr (irc.freenode.net) -- if you need help in turkish, please join #debian.tr, or http://www.hermessoft.com/newproject/keyboards/kbd/turkish1.gif |
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| 11:54.39 | visitante01_ | hi |
| 11:55.00 | visitante01_ | somenthing from brazil? |
| 11:55.04 | azeem | !br |
| 11:55.04 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 11:56.25 | Mazingaro | cydork: no entry in fstab for usbf |
| 11:56.27 | Mazingaro | cydork: no entry in fstab for usbfs |
| 11:56.47 | visitante01_ | hello hello I m to want spank for me ? |
| 11:56.55 | Mazingaro | cydork: shall udev to write usbfs entry in fstab? |
| 11:56.59 | azeem | visitante01_: do you have a Debian question? |
| 11:57.54 | visitante01_ | yeah |
| 11:58.09 | cydork | Mazingaro: you can do that like this mount -t usbdevfs none /proc/bus/usb |
| 11:58.20 | cydork | Mazingaro: but i dont think it's necessory |
| 11:58.32 | cydork | Mazingaro: lsmod|grep hcd |
| 11:58.46 | Mazingaro | cydork: ehci_hcd 28360 0 |
| 11:58.46 | Mazingaro | ohci_hcd 18500 0 |
| 11:58.46 | Mazingaro | uhci_hcd 20808 0 |
| 11:58.46 | Mazingaro | usbcore 112384 6 ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd,uhci_hcd,spca5xx,usbhid |
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| 11:59.03 | Mazingaro | sorry |
| 11:59.29 | cydork | Mazingaro: try modprobe ehci_hcd |
| 11:59.52 | Mazingaro | cydork: done |
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| 12:00.20 | Mazingaro | cydork: no /proc/bus/usb |
| 12:00.24 | cydork | Mazingaro: if that doesn't help try that mount command which i said about |
| 12:00.30 | cydork | s/about/above/ |
| 12:00.30 | enouf | Mazingaro: modprobe usb-storage |
| 12:00.50 | Mazingaro | enouf: why? |
| 12:01.01 | enouf | ok don't |
| 12:01.23 | visitante01_ | to do love with something |
| 12:01.30 | osofaux | hmm, is selinux worth the messing around with? |
| 12:01.46 | Mazingaro | osofaux: no, permissive mode |
| 12:01.47 | visitante01_ | why? |
| 12:01.49 | ns_ | does debian have an issue with using software raid-0 for a swap partition? |
| 12:01.53 | infernixx | visitante01_, this is a software support chat channel. |
| 12:02.14 | ns_ | it gives me an error at boot, but it scrolls by too fast and it's not in dmesg |
| 12:02.18 | infernixx | ns_, no point in doing that. |
| 12:02.30 | infernixx | ns_, rather, make 2 swap partions and give them the same priority. |
| 12:02.41 | ns_ | hmm |
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| 12:03.08 | ns_ | let me take a look at fstab and see what's mickey moused |
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| 12:03.36 | azeem | visitante01_: you've been quieted for 10 minutes due to being off-topic |
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| 12:08.36 | benkong2 | is there something like fix/mbr in debian? My install get's all the way to running grub and fails with the error can't install grub in mbr. |
| 12:08.43 | masadd | howto play wmv files in debian? |
| 12:08.54 | masadd | i installed vlc...i hear audio...but see no video |
| 12:09.03 | dimir | try mplayer |
| 12:09.08 | masadd | k |
| 12:09.11 | dimir | but it's not in repository.. |
| 12:09.13 | azeem | masadd: you need the codecs from debian-multimedia |
| 12:09.16 | cydork | masadd: i thing you will need w32codecs |
| 12:09.19 | dimir | In official. |
| 12:09.42 | masadd | i already have it...but didnt try...i dargged/droped and it didnt play...i will try open manually |
| 12:09.48 | Mazingaro | cydork: I think it's an udev issue |
| 12:09.55 | masadd | i installed that w32codecs too |
| 12:09.58 | masadd | from debian-multimedia |
| 12:10.06 | cydork | Mazingaro: ya some module is not mounting usbfs.. |
| 12:10.15 | cydork | Mazingaro: did you try that mount command ? |
| 12:10.21 | Mazingaro | yes it worked |
| 12:10.24 | Mazingaro | I know |
| 12:10.30 | cydork | Mazingaro: yay |
| 12:10.35 | Mazingaro | but it should be automnatic at but time |
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| 12:11.18 | cydork | Mazingaro: i have nfc about what is causing this. |
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| 12:13.02 | monocle | Mazingaro, cydork: I have USB_DEVICEFS config'd statically into my kernel and usbfs mounts automatically at boot with /proc |
| 12:14.05 | Mazingaro | monocle: but, it should be done automagically |
| 12:14.12 | Mazingaro | monocle: like did before |
| 12:14.16 | cydork | monocle: every debian kernel should have that. |
| 12:17.06 | monocle | Mazingaro, cydork: you mean a stock install should end up with usbfs in /etc/fstab? |
| 12:17.43 | Mazingaro | monocle: no I'm saying that /proc/bus/usb should be mounted from udev |
| 12:18.01 | Mazingaro | monocle: not with /etc/fstab entry |
| 12:18.40 | monocle | Hmm, I'm not sure udev would ever claim responsiblility for doing that. |
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| 12:19.51 | Mazingaro | monocle: I don't recall if in my /etc/fstab was a line for usbfs... |
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| 12:21.18 | monocle | I'm assuming that USB_DEVICEFS=y leads to mounting the usb proc filesystem when /proc gets mounted, but USB_DEVICEFS=m means that the module might get hotpluged but mounting the filesystem is another matter. |
| 12:21.23 | cydork | Mazingaro: usbfs is mounted in /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh |
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| 12:22.28 | monocle | Ahh, makes more sense. |
| 12:22.57 | cydork | Mazingaro: but i have no idea why it didn't worked in your case |
| 12:22.58 | visitante01_ | oi |
| 12:23.04 | visitante01_ | hi |
| 12:23.11 | azeem | visitante01_: read www.debian.org |
| 12:23.13 | Mazingaro | cydork: I'm looking with sysv-rc-conf |
| 12:23.15 | visitante01_ | hi |
| 12:23.21 | visitante01_ | hi |
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| 12:24.19 | Mazingaro | cydork: there's no mountkern in runlevel config |
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| 12:25.00 | cydork | Mazingaro: it should be present in /etc/rcS.d/ |
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| 12:25.31 | Mazingaro | cydork: yes |
| 12:25.40 | Mazingaro | cydork: but why it didn't work? |
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| 12:26.47 | cydork | Mazingaro: i really cant say .. |
| 12:27.47 | Mazingaro | my god |
| 12:27.47 | cydork | Mazingaro: check /etc/init.d/mountkernfs.sh it checks for /proc/bus/usb to be present |
| 12:27.47 | cydork | Mazingaro: huh? |
| 12:27.48 | Mazingaro | but it is |
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| 12:27.56 | Mazingaro | /proc/bus/usb is present |
| 12:28.15 | cydork | Mazingaro: i have nfc then :P |
| 12:28.21 | cydork | Mazingaro: well i am off for lunch |
| 12:28.42 | cydork | :P |
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| 12:32.49 | gean | hi all! plea§e help me set audio system on fresh debian OS! i have just beeps... |
| 12:32.58 | ttl- | brb |
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| 12:34.03 | gean | which is the configuration process that i have to run to set up audio device ? (base-config is an other stuff) |
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| 12:36.07 | infernixx | !alsa-checklist |
| 12:36.08 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa-checklist is 1) run alsaconf as root user 2) add your user to the 'audio' group 3) use alsamixer and make sure levels are up and it is unmuted 4) arts or esound stopped? 5) OSS modules unloaded? 6) speakers on? 7) does `cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp` work for root? |
| 12:36.10 | infernixx | gean: thats for you |
| 12:36.50 | infernixx | gean, if no alsaconf: |
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| 12:36.51 | infernixx | !alsa one-liner |
| 12:36.52 | dpkg | well, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
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| 12:43.47 | KungFoo | hi |
| 12:43.56 | Hoxzer_ | hi |
| 12:43.58 | Hoxzer_ | heissan |
| 12:44.10 | KungFoo | I want my debian to start "supertux" at bootup - nothing else |
| 12:44.23 | KungFoo | I've already installed an auto-login |
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| 12:46.24 | ramiro | just a question, i can mount my linux, thats the error: |
| 12:46.27 | ramiro | "Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read while checking ext3 jounal on /var" |
| 12:47.21 | stew | KungFoo: create a .xsession for the user that is being logged in, and put "supertux" in the .xsession |
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| 12:48.03 | ramiro | any suggestion ? |
| 12:48.24 | disasm | KungFoo: whats supertux? |
| 12:49.10 | stew | disasm: apt-cache show supertux |
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| 12:49.41 | disasm | stew: ah |
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| 12:49.51 | tarzeau | KungFoo: check www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk/ |
| 12:49.53 | disasm | stew: I guess I shouldn't have been lazy in the first place ;-) |
| 12:49.57 | tarzeau | KungFoo: and replace the firefox call with supertux |
| 12:50.20 | tarzeau | KungFoo: then you have a computer that only runs supertux (you want to give it options to be fullscreen) |
| 12:50.29 | tarzeau | and add the user to the audio group |
| 12:50.33 | KungFoo | er... which "firefox"? |
| 12:50.42 | tarzeau | KungFoo: check the package at www.linuks.mine.nu/kiosk |
| 12:50.48 | tarzeau | KungFoo: it's for a kiosk computer with firefox |
| 12:50.53 | tarzeau | KungFoo: but it can run any x application |
| 12:50.57 | KungFoo | OK! |
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| 12:51.41 | Mazingaro | cydork: mountkrnfs.sh won't work at all |
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| 13:01.32 | coach | something blocks my soundcard, how can i get ou what and how to kill it? |
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| 13:01.53 | coach | tarzeau, got some time for me?^^ |
| 13:02.19 | stew | coach: try "fuser /dev/dsp" see if that turns up a pid |
| 13:02.45 | coach | no such file or directory... |
| 13:02.52 | coach | wtf? |
| 13:02.53 | coach | ^^ |
| 13:03.49 | stew | coach: try "fuser /dev/snd/*" then |
| 13:03.57 | stew | (you are using alsa not oss) |
| 13:04.08 | coach | no pid |
| 13:04.19 | Hoxzer_ | fuser /dev/snd |
| 13:04.36 | coach | stew...snd is a dir, is that bad? |
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| 13:04.52 | stew | coach: no, that is expected. what is making you say that sound is blocked? |
| 13:05.07 | coach | dunno^^ i thought it would be^^ |
| 13:05.22 | coach | but it don't work |
| 13:05.25 | stew | coach: "modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" and try again |
| 13:05.30 | coach | xmms doens't make a noise |
| 13:05.40 | stew | coach: which output plugin are you using with xmms? |
| 13:05.41 | coach | but gstreamer-plugins are installed |
| 13:05.44 | coach | alsa |
| 13:05.55 | stew | coach: which card do you have |
| 13:06.00 | buggarage | nice |
| 13:06.00 | coach | should i use oss? |
| 13:06.13 | coach | stew, the thing is, that it worked yesterday |
| 13:06.25 | coach | stew, an ess1938 or so |
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| 13:07.41 | coach | stew...no it works^^ |
| 13:07.57 | coach | why do i have to load the snd-pcm-oss when using alsa? |
| 13:08.25 | ttl- | hi stew |
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| 13:09.06 | cydork | Mazingaro: ping |
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| 13:09.25 | ttl- | stew: I've got my X working again :) |
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| 13:10.05 | infernixx | coach, you only need that for apps that don't support alsa. it's oss emulation. |
| 13:10.06 | stew | !congratulate ttl- |
| 13:10.06 | dpkg | Hugs & Puppies ttl-, you did it! |
| 13:10.22 | cydork | puppies?? |
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| 13:10.35 | ttl- | stew: the device was /dev/ttyS0 |
| 13:10.45 | infernixx | cydork, what do you propose. hugs & kisses? from a bot? |
| 13:10.45 | ttl- | stew: the device was /dev/ttyS1 |
| 13:10.45 | stew | coach: what infernixx said. i was guessing that maybe you were using an app with no alsa support |
| 13:10.46 | coach | infernix, but xmms doesn't emulate alsa, or does it? |
| 13:10.47 | ttl- | sorry |
| 13:10.55 | ttl- | ttyS1 that is |
| 13:10.59 | stew | coach: xmms will do either |
| 13:11.03 | infernixx | coach, xmms should support either |
| 13:11.04 | cydork | infernixx: hehhe good point :P |
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| 13:11.23 | coach | kk...now my next prob... |
| 13:11.43 | infernixx | cydork, be wary, soon someone might overdub that Anna is a bot song and make it DPKG... |
| 13:11.48 | coach | i downloaded an rar-archive, splitted up an pw-protected, unrar e myarchive dont work |
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| 13:12.59 | cydork | infernixx: let me see if i can find that song .. |
| 13:13.02 | cydork | :P |
| 13:13.03 | infernixx | cydork, http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=809236135811818943 |
| 13:13.17 | infernixx | i cried when i first saw it. oh the horror. |
| 13:13.41 | coach | infernix, any tip how to extract it? |
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| 13:13.52 | ttl- | stew: the next problem was /tmp, the permissions changed somehow to 755, so gnome did not start |
| 13:13.56 | infernixx | coach, ex-squeeze me? extract what?:) |
| 13:14.02 | coach | infernix, he says 'no files to extract' |
| 13:14.16 | infernixx | coach, who's 'he'? |
| 13:14.18 | ttl- | stew: i've set /tmp to 777 is that ok ? |
| 13:14.19 | coach | a splitted and pw-protected rar |
| 13:14.29 | abrotman | ttl-: that's not right |
| 13:14.32 | coach | i used unrar e myarchive |
| 13:14.40 | infernixx | coach, ah. you probably need the commercial version of rar, then use rar e [archive] |
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| 13:15.00 | stew | ttl-: no, it should be 1777 |
| 13:15.05 | ttl- | abrotman: hi |
| 13:15.20 | coach | infernix, only apt-get install rar? |
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| 13:15.21 | cydork | infernixx: hehe it is scary |
| 13:15.26 | ttl- | stew: 1777 ? |
| 13:15.36 | stew | ttl-: yes, 1777 |
| 13:15.47 | infernixx | coach, you can try with that one, but as i said you might need the shareware version. google > rar, download the linux binary |
| 13:15.54 | ttl- | stew: what is the 1 standing for ? |
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| 13:16.15 | stew | ttl-: read the url in "/msg dpkg Permissions" the 1 is a "sticky bit" |
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| 13:16.21 | coach | infernix, don't apt have it? |
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| 13:16.35 | Edward_TLS | guys... |
| 13:16.36 | coach | infernix, i have dist and non-free in my sources |
| 13:16.39 | ttl- | stew: ok thanks |
| 13:17.27 | coach | infernix, i have the non-free version installed |
| 13:17.27 | infernixx | coach, try. i've given you enough hints to go on. i gotta get myself an ice cold beer,bbl |
| 13:17.34 | coach | ^^ |
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| 13:18.06 | Edward_TLS | I have one server with 3x 3ware sata controllers... how can I tell the module in witch order it must load the cards... |
| 13:18.20 | Edward_TLS | one card had the os disks and the 2 have the data disks |
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| 13:18.31 | abrotman | maybe with udev rules |
| 13:19.33 | stew | yeah with udev rules |
| 13:19.37 | stew | sounds like a project |
| 13:19.44 | Edward_TLS | lol.. |
| 13:19.51 | Edward_TLS | not a project |
| 13:20.07 | abrotman | it will become one :) |
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| 13:20.45 | stew | Edward_TLS: send me a second 3ware card and i'll figure it out for you! |
| 13:21.17 | abrotman | send me two! |
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| 13:21.28 | cydork | Edward_TLS: send me one, too :) |
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| 13:22.00 | Edward_TLS | the two ports is only 99 euro I think.. come on.. |
| 13:22.05 | stew | wow, none of my machines with 3ware cards are running hal or udev |
| 13:22.16 | stew | that probably won't last |
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| 13:22.33 | stew | Edward_TLS: bah, my 8 port cards were like 85 on ebay :) |
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| 13:23.14 | benkong2 | can I make the debian installer choose KDE instead of the default gnome? I am doing an expert install but it still selects gnome packages. |
| 13:23.38 | pipeline | benkong2: Don't worry about it. At install time, don't install anything. It's just a lot easier to do it afterwards. |
| 13:23.42 | coach | tarzeau, do you have an idea how to unpack a splitted, pw-protected rar, i've got the non-free unrar and tried 'unrar e myarchive', but he says no files to extract, but xarchiver shows me the content |
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| 13:24.00 | pipeline | coach: rar x |
| 13:24.13 | d11_ | Quick question: trying to reach the website on my debian server in my local LAN from a kubuntu machine. it doesnt resolve the hostname though. ip works fine. and smb with hostname too just the webserver and ping dont. from a windows machine it works. Anyone had this before? thx |
| 13:24.16 | pipeline | coach: also, read the man page for rar. You have to specify that you want it to prompt you for a password |
| 13:24.30 | pipeline | d11_: Your windows machine is resolving the name through WINS. |
| 13:24.37 | tarzeau | coach: find out the password first |
| 13:24.44 | coach | i thought it would ask^^ |
| 13:24.47 | ShredZ | I've got linux installed on my primary master and win2k on the primary slave, I boot windows by switching the bios notion of the first and second disk. Now if I install XP on the 2nd drive, will I need to rewire the drives first to keep this config or will xp not mess up the grub on the primary disk ? |
| 13:24.47 | benkong2 | pipeline: ok thanks... installing...... oh btw why does it default to a 486 kernel? I have an X30 thinkpad P3-M CPU 1.0gz |
| 13:24.47 | pipeline | d11_: While there's a libnss plugin to do this, you probably don't want to. Just add the windows machine to /etc/hosts manually. |
| 13:24.53 | tarzeau | coach: no idea, i don't use rar |
| 13:24.56 | coach | tarzeau, , so i have to use unrar ep |
| 13:24.59 | pipeline | coach: There's a command line switch to ask it to prompt you. |
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| 13:25.13 | pipeline | benkong2: Because the "486" kernel is universally compatible. |
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| 13:25.24 | stojic | hello, I installed Etch and when I reboot (as root I type reboot) it hangs on "stopping protmap daemon". The strange thing is that it doesn't do that when I shutdown (!?) any ideas? |
| 13:25.32 | pipeline | benkong2: GCC sucks at optimization anyway. |
| 13:25.41 | stojic | *"stopping portmap daemon", that is |
| 13:25.42 | d11_ | pipeline: but the windows machine works, its the kubuntu machine which doesnt reach the server |
| 13:25.44 | pipeline | benkong2: You will note that the 486 kernels are optimized for 686; they're just 486-compatible. |
| 13:25.50 | pipeline | d11_: Windows resolves through WINS all the time. |
| 13:26.01 | benkong2 | pipeline: so then should I choose 686 after the install? |
| 13:26.11 | pipeline | benkong2: Oh, you could. It doesn't matter that much, really. |
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| 13:26.20 | pipeline | benkong2: You would have to reboot to use the new kernel, and rebooting sucks :) |
| 13:26.33 | benkong2 | ok I'll leave it as it is |
| 13:27.14 | benkong2 | What is the best course of action in debian for wireless. Is networkmanager working there yet? |
| 13:27.22 | stew | Edward_TLS: here's what I'd do, boot with both cards installed, then run "udevinfo -a -p /sys/block/sda" (or sdb or whatever), then you lok for something in there you can use to distinguish one array from the other, then you are going to create lines in /etc/udev/rules/001edwards.rules or something with something like: SUBSYSTEM=="BLOCK", SYSFS{serial}=="hopefullyeachhasadistinctnumber", NAME="firstraid%n" |
| 13:27.31 | pipeline | benkong2: Networkmanager works in unstable. It just sucks. |
| 13:27.32 | coach | tarzeau, k, he asks for the pw now, but he still says no files to extract^^ |
| 13:27.41 | stew | Edward_TLS: then udev will create /dev/firstraid1 /dev/firstraid2... |
| 13:27.44 | coach | do i have to use the rekursive switch? |
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| 13:28.03 | pipeline | benkong2: I would get used to using the wireless-tools command line crap if I were you. NetworkManager is really, uh, slow on the uptake. It can take 30+ seconds to join a wireless ntework / switch networks etc |
| 13:28.07 | d0uglas | i had webmin installed, set it to run webalizer regularly, now webalizer's gone and i want to stop the webalizing.. is there something autoexec.bat-like i can pico? cron or init something? thanks |
| 13:28.07 | Edward_TLS | hmm.. |
| 13:28.19 | d0uglas | webalizer's gone=webmin's gone |
| 13:28.41 | pipeline | d0uglas: rc.d scripts govern its starting at boot time. Install the sysv-rc-config package for a convenient GUI interface to the sysv init system |
| 13:28.59 | d0uglas | nice thanks pipeline |
| 13:29.12 | coach | tarzeau, do i have to use the rekursive switch? but its only one file |
| 13:29.27 | benkong2 | I agree but it does offer a neat method of doing it. I also have used ifplugd and waproamd they seem to be fair |
| 13:29.36 | pipeline | d0uglas: /usr/share/doc/sysvinit explains the rc.d crap if you have no idea what you're doing with the GUI thing |
| 13:29.44 | pipeline | benkong2: well, network manager DOES work |
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| 13:30.04 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:30.13 | benkong2 | pipeline: ok I'll give it a try |
| 13:30.23 | jusson | i have a new sata drive which is recognised by the system as /dev/sda. i have installed grub to it and set partition sda1 as bootable. but the new partition is not appearing in the boot menu. what more need to be done? |
| 13:30.25 | pipeline | benkong2: http://jaqque.sbih.org/kplug/apt-pinning.html explains how to install a few packages from unstable without upgrading your entire etch system to sid. |
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| 13:30.36 | pipeline | benkong2: Note that mixing unstable and testing is fine; mixing anything with stable is a Bad Idea |
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| 13:31.01 | benkong2 | I am installing testing |
| 13:31.42 | benkong2 | funny you gave the link I was looking at this one also http://www.ehomeupgrade.com/entry/2812/how-to_setup_debian |
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| 13:32.17 | sebas007 | hello! following an upgrade of firefox un testing, I cannot see the bottons at startup? any idea why? |
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| 13:32.54 | tarzeau | sebas007: the bottons are here: http://images.google.com/images?q=bottons&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&sa=N&tab=wi |
| 13:32.56 | benkong2 | see if the status bar is still checked under view |
| 13:33.37 | tarzeau | http://badgas.co.uk/language/bottons.jpg |
| 13:33.47 | tarzeau | hahah "Please do not touch the BOTTONS. Thanks" |
| 13:33.48 | sebas007 | firefox doesn't start. I have a little windows |
| 13:33.55 | cydork | tarzeau: heheh |
| 13:34.03 | tarzeau | sebas007: a little windows? xp? 2000? |
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| 13:34.33 | sebas007 | tarzeau: I do not know, |
| 13:34.58 | d0uglas | any way to do a screen capture of the console? |
| 13:35.07 | johnnyss | hi In Etch, I have an Lexmark E323 printer and when I try to add it it only lists lexmark printers in the web gui, how can I get it to list generic printers as well I want to add a generic pcl5 driver for it.. |
| 13:35.27 | benkong2 | pipeline: can I assume that pin-Priority of 990 vs 750 means an unstable pkg would be preferred over a testing? |
| 13:36.06 | roxy_ | I got a directory drwxrwsr_x root www-data mydir . I belongs to the www-data group, but I can't create a dir inside mydir. Why ? |
| 13:36.24 | stew | benkong2: man apt_preferences |
| 13:36.33 | sebas007 | the best would be to show you a screen capture. |
| 13:36.34 | benkong2 | stew: k thanks |
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| 13:37.36 | johnnyss | Well second time it workd I had to add a printer and then go and change it, cups tried to be smart but in my case that was not so good. |
| 13:37.50 | pipeline | benkong2: You don't want to prefer unstable over testing, but rather the other way around. |
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| 13:38.05 | tarzeau | d0uglas: framebuffer or textmode? |
| 13:38.10 | pipeline | benkong2: The objective is to manually command apt to install a package and its dependencies from unstable, but to allow apt's own resolution of upgrades to prefer testing. |
| 13:38.20 | d0uglas | tarzeau: text |
| 13:38.24 | pipeline | johnnyss: Install more ppds :\ |
| 13:38.32 | tarzeau | d0uglas: screen can do that |
| 13:38.41 | d0uglas | cool thanks man |
| 13:38.43 | tarzeau | d0uglas: with colors i guess? |
| 13:38.43 | pipeline | johnnyss: Also, you will find it easier to use the "foomatic-gui" package to configure cups than the web UI |
| 13:38.50 | benkong2 | pipeline: aha. that along with stew's instructions is making it clearer now. thanks |
| 13:38.53 | pipeline | johnnyss: foomatic-gui + foomatic-filters + foomatic-filters-ppds |
| 13:38.58 | abrotman | argh .. i see johnnyss .. and all i can think of is the Femmes |
| 13:39.10 | johnnyss | thanks :) |
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| 13:46.11 | johnnyss | Hi again |
| 13:46.15 | johnnyss | when I do lpq |
| 13:46.19 | johnnyss | I get this: |
| 13:46.20 | johnnyss | rinter: lexmark@debian - ERROR: spool queue for 'lexmark' does not exist on server debian.vallgrund.com |
| 13:46.21 | johnnyss | check for correct printer name or you may need to run |
| 13:46.40 | johnnyss | What is wrong? |
| 13:46.56 | abrotman | there's no queue ? |
| 13:47.37 | tarzeau | abrotman: stop touching the bottons |
| 13:48.12 | cat | how do i reconfigure ssh? |
| 13:48.15 | jusson | know of any existing script to do a full system backup from one hdls partition to another hd's partition? |
| 13:48.27 | cydork | cat: sshd? |
| 13:48.49 | cat | yeah dpkgp-reconfigure sshd? |
| 13:49.02 | johnnyss | abrotman, there is a queue |
| 13:49.14 | johnnyss | it is called lexmark |
| 13:49.26 | cat | and dpkg --contents (= dpkg-deb --contents) to list their contents. |
| 13:49.26 | cat | /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: sshd is not installed |
| 13:49.52 | abrotman | is it readable? |
| 13:50.30 | cat | any help on how to reconfigure ssh? |
| 13:50.49 | abrotman | install it ? |
| 13:50.53 | cat | i did |
| 13:50.58 | abrotman | openssh-server ? |
| 13:51.07 | abrotman | which version of debian ? |
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| 13:52.31 | luke-jr_ | cat: --reinstall? |
| 13:53.22 | jair | guys which one is the latest dhcp server "dhcp-server" or "dhcp3-server"? |
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| 13:54.19 | jair | good morning jelly ;) |
| 13:54.27 | jair | jelly: I know we talk before |
| 13:54.46 | jair | jelly: but I just has been super busy |
| 13:54.51 | abrotman | jair: look at the versions |
| 13:55.28 | jair | abrotman: I guess the dhcp is older right? |
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| 13:55.39 | abrotman | jair: apt-cache show .. what are the version numbers? |
| 13:56.09 | jair | abrotman: ohhh ok |
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| 13:59.05 | benkong2 | I am at my wits end this is my second attempt at a debian install I get all the way to grub install and get a fatal-error "Unable to install GRUB in (hd0)" |
| 13:59.24 | benkong2 | What am I doing wrong this is a 40Gig hd and only deb is to be installed |
| 13:59.54 | jelly | benkong2: is this disk visible in bios? |
| 13:59.54 | benkong2 | executing grub-install (hdo) failed |
| 13:59.59 | abrotman | anything interesting about the hardware ? |
| 14:00.07 | abrotman | like .. is it MCA or something? :) |
| 14:00.13 | benkong2 | It's just an IBM X30 thinkpad |
| 14:00.35 | benkong2 | jelly let me get to a command prompt and check |
| 14:00.40 | benkong2 | wait |
| 14:00.48 | benkong2 | yes it is visible in the bios |
| 14:01.00 | benkong2 | It had windows on it and I wiped it all out |
| 14:01.11 | jair | abrotman: Thank you very much |
| 14:01.26 | jelly | benkong2: did it have a hidden partition too? |
| 14:01.43 | abrotman | is it sata ? |
| 14:01.44 | benkong2 | It did but qparted too care of that |
| 14:01.52 | benkong2 | it is not sata |
| 14:02.09 | abrotman | who needs a bootloader! |
| 14:02.18 | abrotman | benkong2: which installer is this? |
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| 14:02.25 | benkong2 | I do this lappy has no floppy or cd |
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| 14:02.31 | abrotman | THUNDERCATS! |
| 14:02.34 | benkong2 | debian installer |
| 14:02.38 | snarf | hah |
| 14:02.49 | abrotman | yes .. which debian installer? Sarge using 2.4 or 2.6 .. or the etch installer ? |
| 14:02.53 | cydork | abrotman: thundercats?? |
| 14:02.59 | benkong2 | I just downloaded the testing install cd and it pulls all the stuff from the network |
| 14:03.13 | benkong2 | etch installer |
| 14:03.17 | abrotman | cydork: snarf is a character from the Thundercats cartoon .. use wikipedia for more info |
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| 14:03.56 | jelly | abrotman: my IBM Z60m plays special tricks and one mustn't overwrite mbr if one wants to keep the hidden partition available. Might be other models also have some strange requirements for mbr. |
| 14:03.59 | abrotman | benkong2: have you tried the sarge installer ? |
| 14:04.08 | cydork | abrotman: na forget it :) |
| 14:04.10 | abrotman | jelly: my G40 works nicely :) |
| 14:04.13 | benkong2 | abrotman: no |
| 14:04.15 | abrotman | cydork: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thundercats |
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| 14:05.02 | abrotman | benkong2: did you use the etch daily or beta3? |
| 14:05.07 | benkong2 | jelly: I did take the windows cd --> repair ->> and run fixmbr |
| 14:05.24 | benkong2 | abrotman: beta3 |
| 14:05.40 | abrotman | benkong2: might want to try a daily ... but i can't guarantee it will work better |
| 14:05.52 | benkong2 | ok |
| 14:06.15 | jelly | benkong2: maybe take a look at thinkwiki.org and see if there's something specia lto be done on your machine. |
| 14:06.31 | benkong2 | jelly: okl thanks |
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| 14:08.41 | abrotman | !laptop |
| 14:08.41 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 14:09.49 | abrotman | benkong2: also .. you can ask #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 14:10.41 | benkong2 | hmmmmm... funny choosing continue allowed me to go back in the install and running install lilo seems to have worked.....waiting.... |
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| 14:11.25 | stew | benkong2: you can also shell out with alt-f2, then chroot /target ; mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda |
| 14:11.31 | stew | then run update-grub |
| 14:11.38 | stew | (assuming hda is the correct disk) |
| 14:11.51 | abrotman | smarty pants! |
| 14:12.04 | stew | i've had to do that in the past where d-i has has unsuccessfully installed grub on its own |
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| 14:12.25 | stew | i was suprised to see that d-i is still seemingly using devfs style names, don't know if that had anything to do with it failing |
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| 14:13.42 | jelly | what sucks more, devfs or udev? |
| 14:14.20 | stew | jelly: devfs really sucks in recent kernels |
| 14:14.24 | abrotman | eh .. reword .. what sucks less :) |
| 14:14.34 | abrotman | devfs is deprecated |
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| 14:15.19 | stew | jelly: devfs doesn't exist in the kernel that d-i uses, they are just still using the devfs style names like /dev/ide/bus1/disk1/part1 or whatever |
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| 14:16.34 | gofol | anyone here uses G4L, Ghost-for-Linux backup software from sourceforge? |
| 14:17.00 | benkong2 | yep lilo worked |
| 14:17.27 | abrotman | benkong2: you can try to install grub once it's up .. you would probably want to them remove the lilo package and the lilo.conf if you do that |
| 14:17.32 | benkong2 | however now my root password is not working arggggg.... |
| 14:17.36 | abrotman | gofol: is it in debian ? |
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| 14:17.51 | gofol | not yet :P |
| 14:18.06 | benkong2 | now I'm really lost |
| 14:18.20 | abrotman | did you mistype your root password .. twice? |
| 14:18.25 | benkong2 | no way to chage reset or renew an unknown root password is there? |
| 14:18.31 | abrotman | benkong2: can you login as the regular user ? |
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| 14:18.46 | benkong2 | abrotman: yes regular user is ok |
| 14:18.53 | jharrisonwk | sudo? |
| 14:19.12 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: yes there are ways |
| 14:19.16 | benkong2 | yes that works |
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| 14:19.21 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: sudo bash? |
| 14:19.26 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: or sudo passwd |
| 14:19.37 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: whatever works for you |
| 14:19.38 | benkong2 | I did a sudo su and gave the passwd it works |
| 14:19.44 | jharrisonwk | oh |
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| 14:20.04 | jharrisonwk | you dont need to do sudo su |
| 14:20.05 | benkong2 | Now I can give root a password and it should let me su to root |
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| 14:20.24 | jharrisonwk | try it |
| 14:20.35 | benkong2 | I remember my choice now, from the install I choose to not allow root logins that probably made it do this. |
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| 14:23.24 | darrint | Can someone recommend an irc-channel or mailng list where I could get a timely response to an obscure java-on-debian question? |
| 14:23.27 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: if you ever have problems with root password and you need to change it and you have physical access to the system you can add init=/bin/bash to your grub entry and it should give you a shell in which you can change the password |
| 14:23.39 | gean | i'm trying still to get sound on fresh laptop... BUT: alsaconf still has problems: e.g.: No supported PnP or PCI card found. Would you like to probe legacy ISA sound cards/chips? YES, i want, but no module is found... What am i supposed to do now ?! |
| 14:23.50 | benkong2 | jharrisonwk: ok thanks |
| 14:23.56 | abrotman | gean: how old is the laptop ? |
| 14:24.03 | stew | darrint: try us |
| 14:24.26 | sebas007 | I was saying firefox is not starting. here is a screenshot of what it does. http://wiki.koumbit.net/SeBas/FireFoxBroken?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=firefox-broken.jpg |
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| 14:24.29 | gean | abrotman 06.09.2006 1st time offered at German discounter: bought last days |
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| 14:25.13 | darrint | here goes: I have a custom minimal custom debian distro where things are mostly sarge, but I include sun-jvm and tomcat from etch. Tomcat is set to priority standard. When tasksel runs, tomcat says it starts, but dies shortly with no indication of failure in logs. Subsequent start up of tomcat works reliably. |
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| 14:25.28 | sebas007 | I run testing on ppc, if it helps. |
| 14:25.30 | darrint | heh, custom minimal custom. Real custom. :-P |
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| 14:25.55 | abrotman | sebas007: where'd you get e17 ? |
| 14:26.11 | stew | darrint: what version does "dpkg -l libc6" report? |
| 14:26.31 | darrint | stew, let me boot it up... just a min. |
| 14:26.35 | sebas007 | abrotman: svn, compile from source! :) |
| 14:26.39 | stew | darrint: there is no sun-jvm in etch |
| 14:26.46 | abrotman | sebas007: try FF in another WM and see if it works |
| 14:26.57 | darrint | I use make-jpkg from sarge. |
| 14:27.04 | stew | sebas007: looks like a font problem |
| 14:27.05 | darrint | tomcat form etch. Sorry, that came out unclear. |
| 14:27.11 | abrotman | sebas007: it looks like FF is asking you a question .. but e17 isn't rendering it correctly for some reason |
| 14:27.24 | sebas007 | abrotman: I tried with gnome, same problem. |
| 14:27.39 | abrotman | sebas007: do you have bookmarks and such ? |
| 14:28.05 | abrotman | sebas007: dpkg -l firefox | tail -1 .. what does it say ? |
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| 14:28.25 | sebas007 | abrotman: I tried removing removing my firefox profile same result. |
| 14:28.54 | darrint | stew: libc6-2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 14:28.54 | wdamn | Hi, how can I discover which hd is hda and hdb? |
| 14:29.23 | disasm | wdamn: cfdisk /dev/sda, check the details |
| 14:29.33 | sebas007 | abrotman: ii firefox 1.5.dfsg+1.5.0.6-4 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla |
| 14:29.37 | disasm | wdamn: make sure you DON'T write changes |
| 14:30.01 | stew | darrint: "When tasksel runs" <- what exactly do you mean by that? do you really mean tasksel? |
| 14:30.04 | stew | the installation tool? |
| 14:30.16 | jetscreamer | die tasksel die |
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| 14:30.25 | abrotman | sebas007: anything in the BTS? |
| 14:30.27 | darrint | baseconfig new run tasksel -ris on first boot. It's at first boot that tomcat fails to start. |
| 14:30.32 | stew | sebas007: are other gtk2 apps affected? |
| 14:30.43 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: buttons? |
| 14:30.58 | stew | darrint: is there any reason that you would run base-config ever again? |
| 14:31.23 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: so |
| 14:31.23 | sebas007 | stew: thunderbird is fine, I think that is be in thegtk2 apps |
| 14:31.25 | darrint | ever time I install the custom distro. |
| 14:31.28 | abrotman | erm .. sew |
| 14:31.45 | sebas007 | stew: oups... I did enter too soon. |
| 14:31.48 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: send me the sho fly pie dude |
| 14:31.52 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: whats the hold up? |
| 14:32.06 | wdamn | disasm: I've got a raid :) |
| 14:32.11 | sebas007 | abrotman: let me check the bts. |
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| 14:32.13 | stew | darrint: oh, this isn't debian? |
| 14:32.15 | anarcat | lo |
| 14:32.20 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: fly me to the bahamas |
| 14:32.20 | stew | i missed that part |
| 14:32.27 | sebas007 | anarcat: yo! :) |
| 14:32.41 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: ok but I never flew an airplane before |
| 14:32.50 | darrint | stew: sarge miniimal + jvm + tomcat (etch) |
| 14:33.08 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: better bring a parachute |
| 14:33.13 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: just in case |
| 14:34.09 | wdamn | disasm: I meant which hda,hdb phisically |
| 14:34.09 | benkong2 | now I just got to figure out how to use grub instead of lilo.....on second thought does it really matter if all I am going to use this machine for is Debian? |
| 14:34.25 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: grub is much nicer |
| 14:34.28 | benkong2 | Still it would be nice to know wht lilo would install and grub would not |
| 14:34.41 | jharrisonwk | benkong2: its up to you |
| 14:34.45 | stew | darrint: afaik, when the second stage is started, start-stop-daemon is not the real start-stop-daemon its a "not really going to start anything since this is the install" version. it gets replaced with the real start-stop-daemon later, you can check if this is the case by examining /sbin/start-stop-daemon before base-config is run |
| 14:34.47 | sebas007 | abrotman: looks like the bts has something about the issue: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=386367 |
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| 14:35.09 | benkong2 | I agree butI think I shall try apt-get grub install and do a grub command line install |
| 14:35.16 | stew | darrint: but if this is only happening during base-config, i can't imagine its really much of a problem |
| 14:35.46 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: you don't have to .. i do |
| 14:36.02 | stew | benkong2: /msg dpkg lilo->grub ; read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian ; or try what i said before during the install. |
| 14:36.09 | abrotman | sebas007: any hints if you start it from a terminal ? |
| 14:36.18 | benkong2 | stew: ok thanks |
| 14:36.23 | sebas007 | abrotman: negative. |
| 14:36.29 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: have to what? |
| 14:36.41 | sebas007 | abrotman: http://img239.imageshack.us/img239/3894/firefox15dfsg15064powerpcjx8.png this is exactly what I get. |
| 14:37.23 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: fly on the plane |
| 14:37.38 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: you said "fly me to the bahamas" |
| 14:37.48 | darrint | stew: it looks like s-s-d is the real elf binary. |
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| 14:37.50 | abrotman | sebas007: there's a patch |
| 14:37.54 | stew | sebas007: i'd try a different gtk2 theme |
| 14:37.55 | darrint | stew, before base-config |
| 14:38.02 | abrotman | jharrisonwk: yes .. me .. as in .. get abrotman a plane ticket |
| 14:38.03 | abrotman | stew: there's a patch in the bug |
| 14:38.05 | stew | darrint: strace it |
| 14:38.17 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: yes I know that but I was attempting to be humorous |
| 14:38.24 | stew | sebas007: oh, in that case, try the patch in the bts |
| 14:38.24 | jharrisonwk | abrotman: I guess it flew over your head though |
| 14:38.38 | darrint | stew, I did. |
| 14:38.43 | darrint | stew, hang on... |
| 14:38.44 | sebas007 | stew: can I ask where I can manage the gtk2 themes ? |
| 14:39.06 | abrotman | sebas007: and .. it looks like a new/fixed version has been uploaded to unstable which should fix this bug |
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| 14:39.22 | stew | sebas007: switch2, but listen to abrotman, don't listen to me, use the BTS |
| 14:39.32 | abrotman | erm .. wait |
| 14:39.34 | sebas007 | abrotman: you are reading faster than me ;) thank you for the help! |
| 14:39.37 | abrotman | it says uploaded .. but i don't see it |
| 14:39.43 | stew | abrotman: incoming? |
| 14:39.52 | abrotman | stew: not yet .. must be in the buildd somewhere |
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| 14:40.12 | abrotman | sebas007: the fix is in .. but not built yet apparently |
| 14:40.35 | abrotman | stew: do you know where you can check stats for that? |
| 14:40.57 | abrotman | erm .. duh .. buildd.net ;) |
| 14:41.20 | abrotman | http://unstable.buildd.net/buildd/powerpc_Dep-Wait.html |
| 14:41.22 | stew | abrotman: i usually navigate from http://packages.qa.debian.org/sourcepackagename |
| 14:41.24 | abrotman | whatever that means |
| 14:41.40 | abrotman | oh .. it totally failed to build |
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| 14:41.47 | stew | that totally sucks |
| 14:41.56 | abrotman | http://buildd.debian.org/fetch.php?&pkg=firefox&ver=1.5.dfsg%2B1.5.0.6-5&arch=powerpc&stamp=1158158349&file=log&as=raw |
| 14:42.01 | abrotman | i mean .. it wasn't even close :) |
| 14:42.11 | stew | i mean, totally bogus |
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| 14:42.36 | jelly | how to enable antialiasing for opengl apps? |
| 14:42.39 | abrotman | sebas007: you've got a few options .. wait .. patch/build yourself .. grab the source package from sid and try to build it |
| 14:43.00 | jharrisonwk | sebas007: what package? |
| 14:43.06 | abrotman | firefox for ppc |
| 14:43.07 | jharrisonwk | oh firefox |
| 14:43.08 | jharrisonwk | ah |
| 14:43.11 | sebas007 | abrotman: ok! I will look at this. |
| 14:43.11 | jharrisonwk | cant help there |
| 14:43.17 | stew | jelly: smudge your glasses, and your fonts will look all fuzzy and anti-aliased |
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| 14:43.21 | jharrisonwk | no ppc |
| 14:43.28 | jharrisonwk | hehe |
| 14:43.40 | jharrisonwk | stew: good one |
| 14:43.50 | stew | abrotman: the source package in sid wouldn't have the fix until it builds on all arches, right? |
| 14:43.56 | jharrisonwk | mmmm mtea |
| 14:44.02 | abrotman | stew: eh .. dunno .. possibly |
| 14:44.04 | jharrisonwk | or rather mmmmm tea |
| 14:44.26 | abrotman | stew: yeah .. probably not |
| 14:44.33 | stew | abrotman: the source in sid not matching the binary in sid violate a bunch of licenses |
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| 14:44.47 | abrotman | stew: the one in sid on p.d.o is -5 .. not -6 that he needs |
| 14:45.09 | abrotman | oh wait .. he needs -5 .. not -4 |
| 14:45.12 | abrotman | so it is there |
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| 14:46.04 | anabain | hi, I'm having weird issues with my connection between PCs. PC2(eth0) ----> (eth0)PC1(ppp0)--->internet; well, I can ping from PC2 to PC1, but not to internet(I have resolv.conf on PC2 and iptables set on PC1). On the other hand, I cannot ping from PC1 to PC2(Destination Host Unreachable). Moreover, it seems as if net config files weren't recongnized by the net apps in PC2, which is a freshly new debian (PC1 is also debian). any id |
| 14:46.04 | anabain | eas? |
| 14:46.27 | roxy_ | I am doing a script with a for a in $(mycmd foo) do ... . The mycmd gives one sentence per line. I want a to be that sentence. But I can't achieve it. I a becomes the words in each sentence. What can I do? |
| 14:47.02 | anabain | I mean, things like /etc/init.d/networking restart, or ifup eth0 |
| 14:47.05 | abrotman | roxy_: can you paste the relevant section somewhere .. with output ? |
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| 14:48.34 | stew | roxy_: mycmd foo | while read a ; do ... |
| 14:48.37 | mario69_ | hello, how do I go about autoconfiguration of wireless connection? i.e. using a set of predefined values automatically when a given hotspot is found? |
| 14:48.49 | luke-jr_work | anabain: why iptables? |
| 14:49.08 | luke-jr_work | anabain: why not ipmasq or, better yet, a bridge? |
| 14:49.13 | anabain | to do NAT masquerading, look at the scheme of the connection |
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| 14:50.18 | anabain | anyway, it worked this way with another older pc, luke-jr_ work |
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| 14:50.39 | roxy_ | abrotman: http://pastebin.ca/171596 |
| 14:50.40 | sebas007 | abrotman: thanks for the help, I will wait for the new package version, that should be soon, I guess |
| 14:50.43 | disasm | mario69_: I juse a post-hook shell script that greps for the ssid, and manually runs commands I want it to. |
| 14:50.56 | anabain | luke-jr_work, in PC1, this: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -s 192.168.0.0/24 -o ppp0 -j MASQUERADE; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward |
| 14:50.58 | stew | anabain: put the output of "route -n" from PC1 into a pastebin |
| 14:50.59 | abrotman | sebas007: well .. depends .. it's not building currently .. best bet might be the patch |
| 14:51.12 | abrotman | roxy_: way to be vague :) |
| 14:51.26 | mario69_ | disasm, sounds remotely familiar... where do I start looking? |
| 14:51.30 | roxy_ | abrotman: I want $table to be a table name even if the table name is "my table name". |
| 14:51.42 | stew | roxy_: i told you |
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| 14:51.48 | abrotman | put it in quotes ? |
| 14:51.53 | luke-jr_work | anabain: aptitude install ipmasq |
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| 14:52.05 | roxy_ | stew: thanks |
| 14:52.09 | disasm | mario69_: I'm at work, no laptop, so I can't give you the details |
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| 14:52.36 | abrotman | roxy_: if you still can't get it .. ask #bash |
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| 14:52.51 | mario69_ | disasm, would that be somewhere in hotplug docs? |
| 14:52.56 | disasm | mario69_: if you want to send an e-mail to disasm@gentux.org I can send you the details when I get home |
| 14:53.08 | anabain | stew, http://paste.debian.net/12978 |
| 14:53.11 | mario69_ | disasm, graet, I will do that. Thanks |
| 14:53.11 | eide | I have just installed xen 3.0 on testing, and finally I was able to boot the xen kernel from unstable (long story). But now, uname -v shows SMP. Are there only SMP kernel binaries available for xen? |
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| 14:53.50 | stew | anabain: what is the ip address of PC2? |
| 14:53.50 | smagy2 | hello folks, has anybody had problems with mouse not working after apt-get upgrade on sid ? i am using ibm t42 laptop. synaptics driver i guess. |
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| 14:54.29 | stew | smagy2: does it work after "modprobe mousedev"? |
| 14:54.34 | anabain | stew, 192.168.0.3, I have it in /etc/hosts, with its associated name |
| 14:54.38 | disasm | smagy2: check your xorg.conf, make sure your mouse dev is set correct. I usually use /dev/input/mice for my device |
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| 14:54.43 | appel | How to add sshd to statup ? (like in gentoo its rc-update add sshd default) |
| 14:55.00 | disasm | appel: update-rc.d ssh default |
| 14:55.28 | abrotman | appel: which version of debian ? |
| 14:55.29 | disasm | appel: err, defaults |
| 14:55.40 | stew | anabain: and running "ping 192.168.0.3" on PC1 doesn't work? |
| 14:55.52 | roxy_ | stew: working, thanks :-) |
| 14:55.52 | appel | thanks |
| 14:56.01 | stew | anabain: what is the address of eth0 on PC1? |
| 14:56.32 | anabain | stew, no it doesn't. 192.168.0.1 |
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| 14:59.05 | cydork_ | who |
| 14:59.11 | cydork_ | dman |
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| 15:00.13 | stew | I dman |
| 15:00.22 | abrotman | who dman ? |
| 15:00.36 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 15:01.49 | anabain | stew, in PC2, route add default 192.168.0.1 doesn't work, it says, SIOADDCART device not valid, or something like that |
| 15:02.09 | stew | anabain: route add default gw 192.168.0.1 |
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| 15:03.17 | cydork_ | hhehe just saw that :P |
| 15:06.04 | abrotman | !moo |
| 15:06.04 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 15:07.36 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 15:07.36 | smagy2 | stew: i will have to check about mousedev , thanks for pointing in a direction |
| 15:07.39 | anabain | stew, ping PC2 ---> PC1 works, but not the reverse. and route add default gw 192.168.0.1 on PC2 outputs network unreachable. weird... |
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| 15:08.19 | stew | anabain: how about "ifconfig ; route -n" from PC2 then? |
| 15:11.13 | anabain | stew, in PC2: inet adress eth0 192.168.0.3, broadcast 192.168.0.1, and route -n: destiantion 192.168.0.0 gateway 0.0.0.0 referred to iface eth0 (only 1 line of output) |
| 15:12.25 | stew | anabain: you can't use the gateway address as the broadcast address |
| 15:12.56 | stew | anabain: you shouldn't be specifying a broadcast address at all so that you get the default broadcast address of 192.168.0.255 |
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| 15:13.46 | anabain | then in PC2 I delete the line broadcast 192.168.0.255 in /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 15:13.51 | darrint | stew: I'm back if you still have time for java. I have straced the java process which dies. It appears to die "cleanly". No signals, etc. But I can't recover the return code, as tomcat starts by being backgrounded from a shell script. :-( |
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| 15:15.05 | stew | anabain: you should never specify a broadcast address unless you really know what you are doing. if you really have your broadcast address set to 192.168.0.1 like you said above it would definately cause problems |
| 15:15.23 | stew | darrint: why does it really matter if tomcat doesn't get started during base-config? |
| 15:15.27 | anabain | stew, in PC2 if I put ping 192.168.0.1 it requests to put ping -b 192.168.0.1 |
| 15:15.54 | stew | anabain: yes, becuase you are pinging your bogus broadcast address, that makes sense |
| 15:16.14 | stew | anabain: you really to get rid of your broadcast line and /etc/init.d/networking restart |
| 15:16.23 | darrint | Yes. I'm expecting to add an application package to tomcat and deploy it in the field. (slightly oversimplified) When customer installs the product, the thing should be running. If tomcat dies, they have to reboot again, much makes us look stupid. |
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| 15:16.38 | anabain | stew, get rid of it in both PCs? |
| 15:16.51 | berkes | good afternoon |
| 15:17.19 | berkes | anyone here using virtualmin on debian? (webmin module for virtual hosts) |
| 15:17.30 | stew | anabain: everywhere. the only time one should be specifying a broadcast address is if they REALLY know what they are doing and are doing something very non-standard |
| 15:17.32 | darrint | "much makes us look stupid" You'd think I wasn't a native english speaker. |
| 15:17.45 | stew | or a stupid one :) |
| 15:17.56 | darrint | grrrrr |
| 15:18.01 | stew | sorry, meant as a joke |
| 15:18.03 | berkes | My virtualmin writes to /etc/apache2/httpd.conf instead of /etc/apache2/sites-available/* |
| 15:18.05 | anabain | stew, ok |
| 15:18.06 | darrint | jk |
| 15:18.35 | darrint | stew, I've straced, trapped signals, wrapped the java invocation in a subshell, done tons of stoff. |
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| 15:18.37 | darrint | stuff |
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| 15:18.43 | stew | darrint: so does running "/etc/init.d/tomcat5 start" by hand BEFORE base-config make it start or no? |
| 15:18.43 | berkes | I have a feeling that that is a virtualmin bug, unless I missed some config option, to make it behave Debian-sih again. |
| 15:18.55 | darrint | Well, before base-config it isn't installed. |
| 15:19.06 | darrint | I haven't figured out a convenient way to install it. |
| 15:19.47 | stew | you are somehow getting tomcat installed before base-config? |
| 15:19.51 | luke-jr_work | How can I get a more recent kernel with Debian 3.1? |
| 15:20.02 | stew | luke-jr_work: /msg dpkg sarge 2.6.16 |
| 15:20.03 | luke-jr_work | I need a bugfix from it... :/ |
| 15:20.04 | darrint | I'm not. what I'm saying is tasksel is invoked by base-config. |
| 15:20.14 | stew | darrint: and you are giving them a custom task? |
| 15:20.36 | darrint | stew: even easier. I set tomcat to Priority: standard in the Packages file on the iso. |
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| 15:23.25 | jfletcher | which is the config in which default apps are kept |
| 15:23.26 | jfletcher | eg, I wanna switch epiphany for firefox and movie player for VLC |
| 15:23.37 | abrotman | in gnome ? |
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| 15:24.16 | giorgian | hi. i use testing, but i want a package (emacs-snapshot) to be installed from unstable; simply setting the pin-release for that package doesn't work, because dependences are not met; must i set the pin-release for all dependences or there's some better trick? |
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| 15:25.03 | stew | LoRez: RichiH_: ^^^ |
| 15:26.13 | jfletcher | abrotman: yeah :) |
| 15:26.16 | fasta | In case you are using Acrobat Reader, this might be interesting: http://lwn.net/Articles/129729/ |
| 15:26.43 | anabain | stew, ok, now it works, thanx |
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| 15:28.27 | abrotman | jfletcher: there's an app in gnome to choose that i think |
| 15:28.50 | luke-jr_work | stew: any idea if those are a good deal and/or Debian compat? =p |
| 15:29.06 | Zoiah | Any (Dutch) people I can make happy with a HP D210 with HP Storage Enclosure? Runs Debian HPPA without problems. It's just wasting space here and otherwise I'd have to throw it out. |
| 15:29.53 | jfletcher | abrotman: know what it's called? |
| 15:30.05 | jfletcher | (checking config editor) |
| 15:31.25 | darrint | stew: interesting. If I try to install tomcat before base-config, the java process lives! |
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| 15:31.46 | darrint | very very interesting. |
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| 15:34.33 | smellydog | how to ls all .c file without extension? |
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| 15:35.47 | asg | can you phrase that in the form of a question that makes sense? |
| 15:35.47 | stew | smellydog: ls *.c | while read a ; do echo ${a%.*} ; done |
| 15:36.09 | smellydog | thanks! |
| 15:36.37 | dvs | !confuse asg |
| 15:36.37 | dpkg | Yes, how was their badger today, asg? shirts of the monarchy of belarus with extra cheese |
| 15:36.59 | smellydog | apologize for that discourteous question |
| 15:37.15 | asg | mmmmmmm, cheese |
| 15:37.33 | cydork_ | smellydog: or a short version ls *.c |sed 's/.c//g' |
| 15:37.46 | jharrisonwk | cheese is good |
| 15:38.36 | jelly | cheese++ |
| 15:38.36 | jelly | !karma cheese |
| 15:38.37 | dpkg | cheese has neutral karma |
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| 15:39.40 | kristalino | when i do a mysql upgrade will the databases be corrupted (4.0 to 4.1) |
| 15:40.29 | benkong2 | will aptitude install -t unstable kde get me the latest kde desktop? |
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| 15:41.02 | benkong2 | I followed the apt.preferences guide and setup |
| 15:41.10 | jharrisonwk | kristalino: best to dump the databases just in case |
| 15:41.11 | SlayerXP | kristalino: that's a strong possibility regardless of the version of mysql |
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| 15:42.20 | abrotman | jfletcher: no .. try the preferences menu |
| 15:43.03 | stew | !cheese asg |
| 15:43.31 | pipeline | Zoiah: I know some folks who are likely to take it off your hands. |
| 15:43.37 | jharrisonwk | cream cheese and cream crackers == mmmmmm |
| 15:43.40 | pipeline | Zoiah: Don't toss it just yet :P |
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| 15:44.00 | abrotman | i have lots of cheese at home .. yay WI |
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| 15:46.24 | jharrisonwk | stale cheese? |
| 15:46.31 | klork | hullo all |
| 15:46.48 | qbit_wrk | hillo! |
| 15:46.54 | dvs | hyllo |
| 15:47.10 | cydork_ | h?llo! |
| 15:47.38 | klork | :) |
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| 15:48.22 | darrint | stew, any further advice? Even a pointer to a more focused channel or list would be fine. |
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| 15:50.33 | Zoiah | pipeline: it's currently in NL (Drenthe, Gieten). :) |
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| 15:52.04 | denz | Zoiah: ? |
| 15:52.04 | cr3 | how can I patch a debian package? I did apt-get source; cd package-*; debuild -us -uc; but then the package is built in build-tree/package-* :( |
| 15:52.09 | Zoiah | denz: ? |
| 15:52.34 | denz | Zoiah: i heard about the D-class you wanted to get rid of? |
| 15:52.48 | Zoiah | denz: yes, D2x0 with HP Storage Enclosure. |
| 15:53.14 | denz | tower or with rackmount stuff |
| 15:53.17 | Zoiah | denz: tower |
| 15:53.25 | stew | cr3: if its built in build-tree it probably uses dpatch / dbs / cdbs, which means you need to figure out which |
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| 15:53.35 | stew | cr3: then use those tools to create a new patch |
| 15:53.45 | abrotman | Zoiah: you could email the debian-parisc list |
| 15:53.45 | stew | cr3: is there a debian/patches directory? |
| 15:53.49 | Anthro | I am using gvim on Debian, displaying on a MacOS X X11 server. Every time I start gvim I get "(gvim:23105): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 4097" but everything seems to work just fine. Any idea how to get rid of the pango output? |
| 15:53.52 | cr3 | stew: cool! thanks, I'll try to figure out which tool is being used |
| 15:54.09 | denz | Zoiah: is the storage enclosure compatible with the Dclass internal disk bays? |
| 15:54.10 | abrotman | Zoiah: admittedly .. kind of dead :) http://lists.debian.org/debian-parisc/ |
| 15:54.29 | cr3 | stew: yes, and debian/control mentions cdbs in Build-depends |
| 15:54.33 | kristalino | is it a way to upgrade mysql-server to 4.1 in sarge without broking anything ? |
| 15:54.49 | kristalino | *breaking |
| 15:54.53 | Zoiah | denz: in what way? The HDs inside the enclosure are in a carrier. |
| 15:55.00 | abrotman | Zoiah: or maybe the Dutch translation mailing list(it would be OT) |
| 15:55.14 | cr3 | stew: I wonder how that debian/patches directory works, ie whether stuff is added there automatically by cdbs or manually |
| 15:55.22 | Zoiah | denz: you can not just put the carrier inside the tower, but I'm sure you can remove the HD from the carrier and put it in the tower. |
| 15:55.31 | stew | cr3: you are going to do something like "cdbs-edit-patch 99my-awesome-patch" which will create a clean tree for you to edit, read /usr/share/doc/cdbs for more gory details |
| 15:55.34 | denz | Zoiah: iirc the disks in the d-class should also be in an enclosure |
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| 15:55.56 | klork | am having a strange problem on booting into single user mode then goin for 'init 5' everything starts fine even the X comes up fine but on the text console 1(the earlier one only) there is a contention between login program and logged bash for user input... is it normal? |
| 15:56.02 | cr3 | stew: cool! does the number indicate the order in which patches will be applied? |
| 15:56.08 | denz | Zoiah: hotplug etc |
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| 15:56.23 | abrotman | Zoiah: or you could inquire about donating it to the debian project |
| 15:56.26 | Zoiah | denz: ahh, no, I don't think it has the hot-swap tings. |
| 15:56.29 | stew | cr3: the way those tools work is basically you -edit-patch patchname, they apply the other patchs, and create a clean try, you edit the tree however you want (including using patch) then you exit a shell or apply-patch or something, which records your edits as a new patch in debian/patches/patchname |
| 15:56.51 | stew | cr3: usually, but it is actually dictated by a debian/patches/00list file |
| 15:56.51 | Zoiah | denz: according to http://www.openpa.net/systems/images/d-class_chassis.gif and the drives inside the case are not easily hot-swappable or in a casing. |
| 15:57.08 | stew | s/try/tree/ |
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| 15:58.24 | benkong2 | oh yea!!!! I got it now woopie :---) |
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| 15:58.51 | stew | !congratulate benkong2 |
| 15:58.51 | dpkg | Huzzah benkong2, you did it! |
| 15:59.21 | benkong2 | with the help of all of you thanks mucho. Now on to learning and getting KDE installed. |
| 15:59.34 | stew | aptitude install kde |
| 15:59.34 | abrotman | ruin a perfectly good install with kde |
| 15:59.42 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 15:59.42 | dpkg | install kde is, like, In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 16:00.04 | denz | Zoiah: never mind. i already have 2 d-classes, so i don' need another one, but i'm interested in the storage unit. |
| 16:00.48 | fasta | Is there a switch for lsof -i which keeps refreshing itself? |
| 16:01.01 | stew | fasta: "watch lsof -i" |
| 16:01.17 | Zoiah | abrotman: it's very slow and very powerhungy, I don't think it be a great asset for the debian project. ;) |
| 16:01.27 | jelly | meh, kde-core is only 80MB maybe. |
| 16:01.31 | fasta | stew: sweet, a general program :) |
| 16:01.38 | denz | Zoiah: if you say "take it all or nothing", i'll take all, ans plunder the d-class for parts myself. |
| 16:01.46 | abrotman | Zoiah: it might be for a porter .. |
| 16:01.50 | pipeline | Zoiah: You would be surprised, actually. Debian still builds everythin gon its native architecture. |
| 16:01.57 | abrotman | Zoiah: just because it's slow doesn't mean it can't be used to help port stuff |
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| 16:02.34 | abrotman | Zoiah: sorruy .. other list link was wrong .. use this one http://lists.debian.org/debian-hppa/ |
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| 16:03.01 | cr3 | stew: that's weird: I ran cdbs-edit-patch which created a new tree and shell, exited the shell so that debian/patches/99my-awesome-patch was created, but then debuild -uc -us fails upon trying my patch. |
| 16:03.04 | Zoiah | denz/pipeline/abrotman: well, it's located in 'Gieten, Drenthe, The Netherlands' so whomever is willing to pick it up gets it. :) |
| 16:03.17 | cr3 | stew: what is weird is that it is cdbs-edit-patch which created the patch file, it should know what it's doing... |
| 16:03.25 | abrotman | Zoiah: that's what i mean .. you can email the -hppa list .. and maybe the -i18n-nl list |
| 16:03.36 | berkes | slightly OT, but does anyone know the flags for 'find' to retreive a list of empty directories? |
| 16:03.42 | cr3 | stew: Trying patch debian/patches/16-fix-detection-of-non-atapi-drives.patch at level 0...1...2...failure. |
| 16:03.46 | abrotman | erm .. -l10n-dutch |
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| 16:04.06 | stew | cr3: dunno, compare it to the other patches to see how it compares |
| 16:04.11 | abrotman | Zoiah: http://lists.debian.org/debian-l10n-dutch/ |
| 16:04.31 | abrotman | Zoiah: you may want to say something about it being offtopic .. if you mail that list |
| 16:04.47 | Zoiah | abrotman: I'll give it a try, thinks. :) |
| 16:04.54 | abrotman | Zoiah: or email debian-devel list .. i know there are .nl developers |
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| 16:06.12 | cr3 | stew: the other patches don't try a level 2 |
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| 16:06.36 | stew | becuase they work at 1, presumably |
| 16:07.00 | stew | cr3: compare the paths of the filenames that they are patching, do they look similar? |
| 16:07.07 | cydork | berkes: find . -type d -empty |
| 16:07.09 | pipeline | locutus: /lastlog Zoiah |
| 16:07.12 | pipeline | d'oh |
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| 16:09.52 | cr3 | stew: oddly no, my patch has the target .new which was the suffix of the directory created by cdbs-edit-patch. I'll try changing that manually |
| 16:10.02 | tapple | how do you see where a certain package came from (its source) ? |
| 16:10.26 | kristalino | is it a way to upgrade mysql-server to 4.1 in sarge without breaking anything ? |
| 16:10.32 | stew | cr3: that doens't matter, it would be stripped by -p1 |
| 16:11.17 | stew | cr3: are the other patches obviously cdbs? are you sure they aren't dbs or dpatch? |
| 16:11.18 | cr3 | stew: I actually had to strip package.new/build-tree |
| 16:11.27 | berkes | cydork: thanks |
| 16:11.31 | stew | oh, build-tree shouldnt' be in there |
| 16:11.32 | cr3 | now it's working so cdbs seems to be borked :( |
| 16:11.40 | stew | something went wrong somewhere |
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| 16:15.29 | jelly | kristalino: from 4.0 or from 3.x? |
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| 16:16.07 | kristalino | jelly, from 4.0 to >=4.1 |
| 16:16.31 | jelly | kristalino: I _think_ it should "just work", but haven't tested thoroughly. |
| 16:17.06 | nehoksan | asdf, dies ist eine amsg |
| 16:17.17 | RichiH_ | nehoksan: .. |
| 16:17.31 | nehoksan | was just a test, sorry :] |
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| 16:18.44 | jelly | kristalino: ... where "thoroughly" means "at all". I suggest copying over the tables to a test machine with 4.0 and test apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 |
| 16:19.56 | stew | kristalino: IME upgrading your database to newer versions of mysql works with no problems, but you cannot downgrade them easily |
| 16:20.14 | stew | kristalino: a mysqldump beforehand is always a good idea |
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| 16:21.54 | earthian | hello |
| 16:22.06 | DJ-_- | hey can someone help me with a debian install? |
| 16:22.09 | DJ-_- | i m stuck with the partitioning part |
| 16:22.15 | DJ-_- | i cant allow full erase as i am new to linux and have windows as dual boot incase something goes wrong |
| 16:22.16 | earthian | when i apt-get upgrade i get a list of packages that are available for upgrade |
| 16:22.24 | earthian | how could i see the changelog for them? |
| 16:22.26 | DJ-_- | so now i have 2 options which are |
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| 16:22.31 | DJ-_- | configure software raid |
| 16:22.34 | DJ-_- | configure the logical volume manager |
| 16:22.40 | DJ-_- | any help would be appreciated |
| 16:23.13 | DJ-_- | i m a complete newbie at linux |
| 16:23.27 | tarzeau | earthian: apt-listbugs apt-listbugs - Lists critical bugs before each apt installation |
| 16:23.28 | pipeline | DJ-_-: You should have more options than that. |
| 16:23.35 | pipeline | DJ-_-: There should be a list of disks. |
| 16:23.39 | earthian | k |
| 16:23.41 | DJ-_- | its like dis |
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| 16:23.45 | pipeline | DJ-_-: Don't paste. |
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| 16:23.49 | DJ-_- | paste? |
| 16:23.50 | pipeline | DJ-_-: And don't say "dis" |
| 16:23.51 | kristalino | jelly, i don't see any mysql-server-4.1 in sarge |
| 16:23.55 | DJ-_- | ok sorry |
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| 16:24.00 | pipeline | DJ-_-: There should be a list of disks, then the two options you mentioned. |
| 16:24.11 | kristalino | stew, that wasn't exactly my question |
| 16:24.11 | pipeline | DJ-_-: If there's no list of disks, it means that the installer can't find your disks, and you need a newer installer :( |
| 16:24.25 | kristalino | is it a way to upgrade mysql-server to 4.1 in sarge without breaking anything ? |
| 16:24.39 | Ronin | kristalino: backports perhaps? |
| 16:24.44 | DJ-_- | just downloaded the latest iso from debian.org |
| 16:24.52 | stew | kristalino: the answer to your question is yes |
| 16:24.59 | thelostbutler | stew: earlier i had asked if folks had a problem with mouse not working after running apt-get update on sid (ibm t42 laptop) you mentioned i should load mousedev and try. however mousedev is built into the kernel. would appreciate any insights |
| 16:25.16 | kristalino | stew, perfect, the second one is how |
| 16:25.16 | stew | thelostbutler: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 16:25.17 | DJ-_- | it has one 3 more options but i cant use them |
| 16:25.23 | stew | kristalino: aptitude isntall msyql-server-4.1 |
| 16:25.30 | stew | ^isntall^install |
| 16:25.31 | DJ-_- | as i dont want to format the full hard disk |
| 16:25.36 | thelostbutler | stew: 2.6.17.6 |
| 16:25.50 | DJ-_- | pipeline: just downloaded the latest iso from debian.org |
| 16:25.58 | DJ-_- | pipeline: it has one 3 more options but i cant use them |
| 16:26.05 | DJ-_- | pipeline: as i dont want to format the full hard disk |
| 16:26.41 | pipeline | DJ-_-: Ahah. So there ARE more things on the screen than you mentioned. Apparently you have no free space on your disk, then. |
| 16:26.49 | tarzeau | yay 2911 more and we own FreeBSD http://www.bsdstats.org/ |
| 16:26.53 | pipeline | DJ-_-: The debian installer can't destroy and resize your windows partition, you know. |
| 16:26.54 | DJ-_- | pipeline: 10 GB free |
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| 16:27.01 | pipeline | DJ-_-: Then it should have that free space listed. |
| 16:27.09 | Fah | anyone know how to remap the meta key in ssh sessions? |
| 16:27.22 | DJ-_- | pipeline: so i use that? |
| 16:27.44 | stew | thelostbutler: you are using the synaptics driver? |
| 16:28.01 | stew | thelostbutler: is xserver-xorg-input-synpatics installed? |
| 16:28.27 | sts | hello folks. can someone please help me debug pam? http://paste.debian.net/12989 |
| 16:28.31 | pipeline | DJ-_-: Yeah. Highlight it and hit enter. |
| 16:28.32 | DJ-_- | brb |
| 16:28.36 | DJ-_- | ty |
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| 16:29.42 | stew | sts: turn on mysql query logging and see if any mysql statement is executed, and if so, if it matches your expectations |
| 16:30.10 | denz | Zoiah: i'll get back to you about the dclass later |
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| 16:30.21 | DJ-_- | pipeline: what if i am installing debian on a virtual pc? |
| 16:30.50 | DJ-_- | pipeline: like ms virtual machine 2004? |
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| 16:31.09 | thelostbutler | stew: yes xserver-xorg-input-synpatics is installed version 0.14.6-1. and the xorg.conf has 2 sections for mouse. one for the synpatics and another for the mouse mouse is pointing to /dev/input/mice and protocol explorerPS/2 and for synp /dev/psaux and proto auto-dev |
| 16:31.11 | DJ-_- | brb |
| 16:31.21 | sts | stew: done that. have a look at it here: http://paste.debian.net/12990 |
| 16:32.25 | sts | stew: if i run it manually it returns the password of the desired user in plaintext (plaintext for debugging) |
| 16:33.31 | sts | any ideas? i'm on this problem since hours, and i didn't find a solution! |
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| 16:36.19 | kristalino | stew, thanks |
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| 16:38.12 | thelostbutler | stew: sorry got disconnected. dunno if you had mentioned anything in regards to the problem of the mouse not working after upgrade on sid. xorg-*syn* package is installed |
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| 16:39.52 | stew | thelostbutler: put your /etc/X11/xorg.conf and /var/log/Xorg.0.log into a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
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| 16:40.26 | xaque | Hello |
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| 16:41.31 | xaque | I am brand new to debian and I just installed the base. Now its asking for apt sources. Is this just a list of mirrors that I can download from? |
| 16:41.40 | dvs | xaque: yes |
| 16:41.45 | thelostbutler | stew: is there a way to upload the file to that url ? i don't have a mouse to paste the content :( |
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| 16:42.20 | kristalino | stew did you already tried to upgrade from sarge to etch and have still all mysql databases without problems ? |
| 16:42.33 | thelostbutler | nevermind i found how |
| 16:42.41 | DJ-_- | back |
| 16:42.45 | stew | thelostbutler: http://pastebin.ca/upload.php |
| 16:42.58 | DJ-_- | can anyone tell me whether debian can be installed to a virtaul machine? |
| 16:43.03 | DJ-_- | virtual* |
| 16:43.14 | cydork | DJ-_-: yes it can be. |
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| 16:43.27 | DJ-_- | ok ty |
| 16:43.37 | joe_ | so, i set up an lpd printer |
| 16:43.37 | joe_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:43.40 | stew | kristalino: no. but the problems were minor. note that etch doesn't have 4.1 only 5.0. and you cannot use a database in 4.1 once it has been converted to 5.0 |
| 16:43.42 | xaque | dvs: so I am runningn the amd64 port. When I try to add a source in the list, it tells me that I need to do an apt-get update, but I can't without a mirror. Is there a specific source that I should use for amd64? do you know? |
| 16:43.46 | joe_ | lp example.ps to print |
| 16:43.59 | dvs | xaque: I don't use amd64 |
| 16:44.07 | xaque | ok |
| 16:44.18 | joe_ | I can write a wrapper script for lp so that it always does lp -U username example.ps |
| 16:44.32 | DJ-_- | i will stay on incase i need any help |
| 16:44.42 | joe_ | but, i'd like to know if, say, i use Firefox, does firefox use the LP command? |
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| 16:44.55 | cydork | !tell xaque about mirrors |
| 16:45.22 | DJ-_- | i will try my best to become good at linux so that i can switch to open source for life as human knowledge belongs to the world ;) |
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| 16:47.17 | Ronin | mm ok DJ-_- |
| 16:47.37 | xaque | When I try to add a ftp source to apt, I get the message because it fails on anonymous logins. Do I need to register or something? |
| 16:48.09 | DJ-_- | how can i configure my apt |
| 16:48.12 | cydork | xaque: nope, you dont have to register. |
| 16:48.21 | DJ-_- | just installed linux on a virtual system |
| 16:48.24 | joe_ | where is the lp configuration file? |
| 16:48.27 | cydork | DJ-_-: wht do you want to configure? |
| 16:48.32 | vorsprung | xaque, the particular source you are adding requires auth |
| 16:48.37 | DJ-_- | cydork: apt |
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| 16:48.44 | vorsprung | xaque, ftp in general works |
| 16:48.58 | cydork | DJ-_-: ya but what about apt? |
| 16:49.04 | DJ-_- | cydork: i choose http what mirror should i choose incase no mirror points to the place i live in |
| 16:49.04 | thelostbutler | stew: pastebin.ca/171760 pastebin.ca/171764 |
| 16:49.24 | DJ-_- | cydork: the closest place? |
| 16:49.25 | cydork | DJ-_-: are you using sarge? |
| 16:49.31 | cydork | DJ-_-: yes |
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| 16:49.40 | DJ-_- | cydork: ty |
| 16:49.52 | xaque | vorsprung: ftp.us.debian.org |
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| 16:50.28 | cydork | DJ-_-: or use any mirror install apt-spy. which will configure your sources.list. |
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| 16:50.53 | xaque | vorsprung: so I tried the http://ftp.us.debian.org and it told me that the package could not be found. So I go over to the machine that I am on and I browse to the site, the file that debian is looking for on the server does not exist. |
| 16:51.02 | DJ-_- | cydork: i m new to linux so i really dont understand what applications your talking of |
| 16:51.07 | xaque | Does anybody know if there is s specific mirror that you havew to use for debian |
| 16:51.22 | cydork | DJ-_-: /msg dpkg apt-spy |
| 16:51.24 | chjunior | hi everybody! |
| 16:51.29 | DJ-_- | cydork: ty |
| 16:51.30 | chjunior | somebody knows some PHP PDO package compatible with debian php5 official package?] |
| 16:51.34 | nvz | xaque: any official mirror will due |
| 16:51.37 | Ronin | xaque: no but most folks seem to prefer ones close to them |
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| 16:52.22 | joe_ | 'ooh lpoptions |
| 16:52.29 | nvz | it can be in BFE for all I care as long as its fast |
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| 16:52.48 | joe_ | so, does anybody know if firefox/other programs use the command `lp` to print stuff |
| 16:52.50 | DJ-_- | cydork: my debian is downloading some packages now...is it because i downloaded the net install? |
| 16:53.27 | DJ-_- | cydork: it also says I8253 count too high! resetting --- is this a problem? |
| 16:53.31 | chjunior | somebody? |
| 16:53.45 | nvz | DJ-_-: buggy onboard timer |
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| 16:54.15 | DJ-_- | nvz: is that a problem for windows? |
| 16:54.23 | nvz | DJ-_-: would be my guess and its not serious the message is just letting you know the kernel handled it |
| 16:54.24 | DJ-_- | nvz: as i am using virtual pc |
| 16:54.35 | DJ-_- | nvz: ty |
| 16:54.56 | DJ-_- | still downloading some packages |
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| 16:55.23 | DJ-_- | i am a windows geek but nill at linux lol |
| 16:55.29 | DJ-_- | nil* |
| 16:56.44 | nvz | DJ-_-: windows hides minor kernel level messages from you until its too late, and a STOP error with a much of hex registers comes up as if that means anything to you |
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| 16:57.10 | Sp4rKy | hi |
| 16:57.17 | nvz | DJ-_-: linux will let you know in plain english whats going on.. doesnt feel the need to hide it so you pay a certified moron |
| 16:57.19 | Sp4rKy | i would know if someone use distcc ? |
| 16:57.22 | DJ-_- | nvz: so that wont effect the running OS? |
| 16:57.54 | DJ-_- | nvz: its like this, the country i live in has everything at prices of open source so i didnt pay much for windows |
| 16:57.56 | Ronin | Sp4rKy: im sure many do |
| 16:58.12 | DJ-_- | nvz: 1 usd |
| 16:58.15 | nvz | DJ-_-: not at all the kernel will warn you about buggy hardware .. some people constantly get messages about their buggy onboard timers, programmable inturrupt handlers..etc |
| 16:58.16 | cydork | DJ-_-: it's not just about the price :) |
| 16:58.40 | cydork | DJ-_-: i like to know what the fuck is goin on .. |
| 16:58.43 | DJ-_- | nvz: looks like linux is going to change the way i work |
| 16:58.44 | Sp4rKy | Ronin: but i would know where configure it for internet use |
| 16:58.59 | DJ-_- | cydork: about ths install? |
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| 16:59.16 | nvz | DJ-_-: at first.. then you will notice it begin to change the way it works to fit you like a glove |
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| 16:59.28 | DJ-_- | nvz: i hope so too |
| 16:59.36 | DJ-_- | nvz: i always wanted to use open source |
| 16:59.55 | DJ-_- | nvz: if i had got a pc with linux when i received ma 1st one i would be happy now |
| 17:00.04 | nvz | Linux, its got you covered like a jimmy hat. |
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| 17:00.14 | cydork | DJ-_-: i mean when i use comp, i like to know what is goin on |
| 17:00.50 | DJ-_- | cydork: well i am installing debian on a virtual machine and currently it is downloading some packages |
| 17:01.36 | nvz | its like the difference between riding around in a car with 4 dummy lights when critical errors occur or riding around town with an ODB-II in your hand |
| 17:01.43 | DJ-_- | cydork: sorry if thats not what you asked for |
| 17:01.55 | cydork | DJ-_-: nevermind :) |
| 17:02.03 | kristalino | stew wich minor problems did you had upgrading to 5.0/etch ? |
| 17:02.13 | chjunior | somebody knows some PHP PDO package compatible with debian php5 official package? |
| 17:02.27 | DJ-_- | nvz: is debian a good choice for newbies? |
| 17:02.28 | cydork | Sp4rKy: what is the problem? |
| 17:03.04 | gean | alsaconf gives me only error messages (no audio): e.g. modinfo: snd-sb16: no module by that name found, and the same stuff for other modules, 2... where can i get them ? |
| 17:03.19 | cydork | gean: which kernel are you using? |
| 17:03.20 | gean | i desperately need sound! |
| 17:04.02 | gean | cydork: lookin' now ... (installed debian last night from last distro) |
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| 17:04.16 | DJ-_- | cydork: is debian a good distribution for newbies? |
| 17:04.22 | nvz | DJ-_-: I like debian in that respect because it takes a lot of work out of getting things up and running everything is prepackaged in a good system of 15000+ packages. it has a slightly higer learning curve as the installer doesnt just assume things like many other distros you have to put a little effort into it like pressing enter a bunch of times, and selecting some packages somewhere in between |
| 17:04.37 | cydork | DJ-_-: ^^ |
| 17:04.38 | cydork | :) |
| 17:04.59 | DJ-_- | nvz and cydork: ty |
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| 17:05.24 | RvGaTe | What are common reasons for a detached screen to become "dead" ? |
| 17:05.25 | nvz | DJ-_-: some of the other good distros that have been around like slack, gentoo.. they all have poor package management and often require extensive configuration and compiling just to get started |
| 17:05.36 | gean | cydork: riemann:/home/dan# ls -a /boot gives me . .. config-2.4.27-3-386 grub initrd.img-2.4.27-3-386 System.map-2.4.27-3-386 vmlinuz-2.4.27-3-386 |
| 17:06.00 | gean | cydork: so it must be 2.4.something |
| 17:06.11 | cydork | gean: apt-get install alsa-modules-$(uname -r) |
| 17:06.11 | nvz | DJ-_-: now adays everyone is fine-tuning debian and running our bootcd package to put it onto a linux-live-on-cd distribution which is making a whole new way to experience linux |
| 17:06.17 | cahoot | DJ-_-: the answer much depends on the newbies attitude to readjustent/relearning |
| 17:06.23 | DJ-_- | nvz: looks like i got lucky by getting debian |
| 17:06.44 | nvz | DJ-_-: each group takes debian in a different direction and tries to build what they believe is the most desireable setup |
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| 17:07.03 | nvz | DJ-_-: debian itself just focuses on stability, portability, and freedom |
| 17:07.08 | DJ-_- | nvz: always preferred the command line in windows and would like to learn some commands for debian too...i am going to google it |
| 17:07.10 | Sp4rKy | cydork: i don't know how configure distcc througt the net ? |
| 17:07.26 | psycke | hi |
| 17:07.34 | DJ-_- | nvz: linux google address ? |
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| 17:07.47 | psycke | i have a problem receiving mail with a server with qmail and vpopmail |
| 17:07.54 | nvz | DJ-_-: just hang out here and read, ask questions when you want to know how to do something, and help others as you learn things. |
| 17:07.58 | psycke | doesn't receive mail from other servers |
| 17:08.01 | cydork | Sp4rKy: i never tried it before, but should work. export DISTCC_HOSTS="your hosts." |
| 17:08.02 | nvz | DJ-_-: google.com/linux *shrug* |
| 17:08.09 | DJ-_- | nvz: sure |
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| 17:08.28 | gean | cydork: thanks! i had some synaaptic opened and picked some of the alsa-modules-* by hand... thankss... reporting result in a minute |
| 17:08.42 | Sp4rKy | cydork: k |
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| 17:09.24 | celebaby | hi |
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| 17:12.04 | cydork | !tell DJ-_- about grounding |
| 17:12.28 | DJ-_- | cydork: sure |
| 17:12.30 | cydork | DJ-_-: read those factoids ^^ |
| 17:12.45 | DJ-_- | i will read them will installing |
| 17:13.09 | xaque | is there a way to use apt to search for a package? |
| 17:13.16 | cydork | xaque: man apt-cache |
| 17:13.19 | abrotman | apt-cache search ? |
| 17:13.22 | abrotman | aptitude search ? |
| 17:13.32 | psycke | if I have a configuration qmail+vpopmail, which of these is receiving mail? qmail o vpopmail? |
| 17:13.34 | abrotman | !tell xaque about grounding |
| 17:13.39 | abrotman | qmail |
| 17:13.45 | psycke | ok |
| 17:13.57 | xaque | thanks |
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| 17:14.04 | psycke | thanks |
| 17:14.20 | DJ-_- | msg dpkg ig |
| 17:14.22 | DJ-_- | oops |
| 17:14.37 | psycke | so i have to open my smtp server to external servers? |
| 17:14.39 | psycke | to receive too? |
| 17:14.52 | psycke | i thinked that was only to send mail |
| 17:14.59 | DJ-_- | nvz: does debian require a firewall and an antivirus? |
| 17:15.03 | abrotman | require? |
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| 17:15.12 | cydork | DJ-_-: antivirus? |
| 17:15.16 | abrotman | psycke: uh .. yeah |
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| 17:15.23 | DJ-_- | cydork: yeah |
| 17:15.25 | psycke | hmmm ok abrotmal |
| 17:15.29 | psycke | abrotman |
| 17:15.32 | abrotman | there's a new one |
| 17:15.32 | DJ-_- | cydork: never used linux before |
| 17:15.34 | abrotman | where's fbi? |
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| 17:16.35 | fasta | Where can I get the source code for Firefox extensions? |
| 17:16.58 | nvz | DJ-_-: the firewall components are built into the linux kernel.. packet filter drivers.. they can be controlled by userland tools like iptables to setup rules |
| 17:17.13 | cydork | fasta: file extension.xpi |
| 17:17.19 | cydork | :) |
| 17:17.23 | DJ-_- | nvz: i will have to live in here i guess |
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| 17:17.33 | Seb | how would I go about taking a snapshot from my webcam ? I mean, what command-line application ? |
| 17:17.33 | nvz | DJ-_-: and there are antivirus available.. but its just designed more intelligently that its not really that vulernable |
| 17:17.33 | Seb | heh, #666 |
| 17:17.39 | gean | cydork: Thanks a lot! it sound good! Debian definitively has a good (30GB ~ 50%) place on HD now! ... appreciate the uname -r trick! |
| 17:17.53 | DJ-_- | nvz: so linux saves a lot of memory |
| 17:17.55 | cydork | gean: no problem |
| 17:18.03 | DJ-_- | nvz: what about gamers? |
| 17:18.05 | nvz | DJ-_-: yep. |
| 17:18.08 | DJ-_- | nvz: can gamers use linux? |
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| 17:18.29 | cydork | DJ-_-: there are some nice games like tremulas |
| 17:18.29 | nvz | DJ-_-: they could, though serious gamers who want to buy every new PC game for windows might as well be using windows |
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| 17:18.47 | DJ-_- | nvz: like for instance you know warcraft? |
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| 17:18.57 | DJ-_- | nvz: is that a win only game? |
| 17:18.59 | nvz | DJ-_-: freecraft, stratagus, craft |
| 17:19.08 | nvz | its been cloned many times over |
| 17:19.17 | DJ-_- | nvz: for linux? |
| 17:19.34 | cydork | DJ-_-: warcraft can run on wine i guess, i read about it somewhere. |
| 17:19.41 | nvz | those are all the old Warcraft I&II style engines though.. and they will play the real windows version if you have the cd to pull data off of |
| 17:19.56 | fasta | cydork: heh, pretty smart marketing of Mozilla. |
| 17:19.56 | DJ-_- | cydork: wine.com/hq/downloads? |
| 17:20.33 | cydork | fasta: hehe :) |
| 17:20.34 | DJ-_- | cydork: replace hq with site |
| 17:21.01 | DJ-_- | cydork: is that the software you were talking of? |
| 17:21.19 | fasta | DJ-_-: don't expect everything will magicly work. Just dual boot |
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| 17:21.49 | DJ-_- | fasta: no worries as i am using virtual pc as i want to test debian 1st |
| 17:22.02 | cydork | DJ-_-: yep |
| 17:22.29 | DJ-_- | i should have got the full debian |
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| 17:22.41 | DJ-_- | now its d/l everything it might take hours |
| 17:22.58 | fasta | DJ-_-: you can use the netinstall which is only 23 MB |
| 17:23.09 | fasta | DJ-_-: then you can install only the things you need |
| 17:23.16 | fasta | !netinstall |
| 17:23.16 | dpkg | i heard netinst is a small CD or set of floppy images which installs Debian using an Internet connection. see http://www.debian.org/CD/netinst If you use a dialup connection, ask me about dialup install. |
| 17:23.30 | abrotman | fasta: you mean 123MB ? |
| 17:23.32 | cydork | fasta: it's around 120 mv |
| 17:23.34 | cydork | s/mv/mb |
| 17:23.36 | DJ-_- | fasta: yeah |
| 17:23.40 | fasta | abrotman: I meant the business card |
| 17:23.43 | DJ-_- | fasta: i downloaded net install |
| 17:23.53 | fasta | abrotman: I used the wrong terminology. |
| 17:23.55 | DJ-_- | fasta: but the packages i asked for taking time |
| 17:24.01 | DJ-_- | fasta: any way to cancel? |
| 17:24.02 | fasta | DJ-_-: ok, can't help that. |
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| 17:24.34 | fasta | DJ-_-: It should be possible, but I am not an expert on installations. You could ask someone else. |
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| 17:24.42 | DJ-_- | fasta: ty |
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| 17:24.59 | abrotman | fasta: that's 40MB |
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| 17:25.09 | fasta | abrotman: it was about that size the last time I used it. |
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| 17:25.46 | abrotman | businesscard CD image (50 Mb) |
| 17:25.49 | abrotman | http://www.us.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ |
| 17:25.51 | DJ-_- | :( 7h |
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| 17:27.42 | fasta | abrotman: I see it, but I remember it differently. I agree it's unlikely for the size of the business card to have increased a factor of 2. |
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| 17:27.59 | Storkme | what's the program to see what ports are open? |
| 17:28.09 | AciD | nmap |
| 17:28.12 | cydork | Storkme: nmap |
| 17:28.12 | DJ-_- | port scanner |
| 17:28.16 | DJ-_- | hehe |
| 17:28.18 | Storkme | ahh |
| 17:28.20 | qbit_wrk | reboot |
| 17:28.22 | qbit_wrk | :D |
| 17:28.27 | qbit_wrk | right? |
| 17:28.33 | Storkme | i've forgotten which bloody port my svn server runs on. |
| 17:28.41 | AciD | no qbit_wrk, it's chown 000 / |
| 17:28.46 | AciD | chmod |
| 17:28.49 | AciD | . |
| 17:28.52 | qbit_wrk | :P |
| 17:28.54 | qbit_wrk | k |
| 17:29.04 | disasm | Storkme: nmap? |
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| 17:29.20 | DJ-_- | there are many applications |
| 17:29.36 | kaleva | hi all! |
| 17:29.36 | AciD | Storkme > netstat -n | grep -v '^unix' |
| 17:30.11 | kaleva | Have anyone problems with squid from sarge? With "basic" auth? |
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| 17:30.31 | kaleva | I can't configure auth. Seems it doesn't work.. |
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| 17:31.06 | Azoff | hello |
| 17:31.17 | kaleva | Azoff, |
| 17:31.22 | Azoff | do anyone know how to remove a disk from lvm2 under Debian? |
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| 17:32.33 | js_ | Azoff: consult the lvm documentation, it doesn't matter if it's debian or not |
| 17:32.33 | js_ | Azoff: also, #lvm |
| 17:32.33 | Azoff | oki |
| 17:32.34 | Storkme | how do i use nmap :\ ? |
| 17:33.07 | cydork | Storkme: have you changed the default svn port? |
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| 17:33.31 | Storkme | yes cydork |
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| 17:35.53 | cydork | Storkme: nmap -sT localhost |
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| 17:36.25 | abrotman | fasta: that's the sarge BC installer ... |
| 17:36.45 | fasta | abrotman: what is? |
| 17:36.56 | abrotman | fasta: the 40MB image |
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| 17:37.45 | cydork | heheh i just did a port scan of my machine and got scared. |
| 17:37.48 | fasta | abrotman: You already said that? I miss your point. |
| 17:37.52 | cydork | have portsentry installed. |
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| 17:40.48 | abrotman | fasta: we'll just give up :) |
| 17:41.22 | Azoff | hmm |
| 17:41.37 | Azoff | js_: do you know if I will loos anything else than what's on that disk? |
| 17:41.44 | fasta | abrotman: in case you were trying to resolve my memory inconsistency, yes, I don't think it has any use to continue the search for a 23MB image. |
| 17:41.57 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 17:43.18 | fasta | What does the auth service do? The name suggests the answer, but where can I read more about that component? |
| 17:43.34 | tapple | how do you see where a certain package came from (its source) ? |
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| 17:43.56 | Cuddles_in_KY | folks, can someone please help me? i'm getting no sound at all from xine when i try playing a dvd. mp3 sound works fine though. any ideas? |
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| 17:45.31 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: is snd-pcm-oss loaded? |
| 17:45.34 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 17:45.49 | tapple | stranger_stone: hello |
| 17:45.52 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: how would i find out? |
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| 17:46.07 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: lsmod | grep oss |
| 17:46.42 | Cuddles_in_KY | nope, not loaded |
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| 17:47.10 | fasta | tapple: Debian packages come with README.Debian or similar files. You can find where the packager got it's version from. |
| 17:47.21 | anabain | does anybody use nvidia's nforce drivers? |
| 17:47.41 | azeem | tapple: /usr/share/doc/<package>/copyright |
| 17:47.56 | fasta | tapple: e.g. ls /usr/share/doc/gcc/ |
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| 17:48.07 | fasta | anabain: yes |
| 17:48.17 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew, it's not loaded, and modprobe says no such module. |
| 17:48.19 | Blissex | anabain: according to the USA census office, 0.1% of the population declare their religion as Jedi, and 0.08 as ''NVIDIA drivers''. |
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| 17:48.34 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 17:48.42 | fasta | anabain: you have a problem with them? |
| 17:48.46 | tapple | fasta: I mean which distribution a package came from, or which line in sources.list |
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| 17:49.08 | anabain | fasta, yes |
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| 17:49.20 | fasta | anabain: let me guess: it doesn't compile |
| 17:49.21 | anabain | the last release does not come in sh format |
| 17:49.24 | tziku` | hello, i am ns2.fastinternet.ro & ns4.fastinternet.ro. The domain ropsy.com is pointed at this 2 ns. How can i make some reverse and forword adress ? |
| 17:49.27 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: 2.4.27-3-386 |
| 17:49.35 | anabain | I haven't tried it, fasta |
| 17:49.57 | anabain | I don't understand these nvidia guys... |
| 17:50.03 | cydork | anabain: are you using sarge? |
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| 17:50.11 | anabain | cydork, no, sid |
| 17:50.16 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 17:50.18 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: sound works in xine for mp3, and other dvd players. |
| 17:50.23 | Blissex | anabain: and why do you want to use those drivers? |
| 17:50.36 | anabain | because forcedeth doesn't work |
| 17:51.01 | anabain | and I don't know if it's a hw prob or a software one, Blissex |
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| 17:51.11 | fasta | anabain: forcedeth used to work |
| 17:51.21 | anabain | I'm afraid I will have to try windows XP... arghh |
| 17:51.26 | fasta | anabain: and in fact I would be surprised if it didn't. |
| 17:51.28 | anabain | to check |
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| 17:51.36 | fasta | anabain: wait a minute |
| 17:51.50 | Blissex | anabain: in what way exactly things don't work? Any error message etc? |
| 17:52.01 | anabain | no, nothing |
| 17:52.14 | anabain | that's the weird thing |
| 17:52.17 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: no joy. all those are up to date |
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| 17:52.46 | Blissex | anabain: so how do you deduce it si not working? What are you trying to do that behaves differently from what you expect? |
| 17:52.49 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: then modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 17:52.51 | anabain | Blissex, when I try to ifconfig eth1 up, I get an orange blinking and nothing at all |
| 17:53.04 | DJ-_- | fasta: if i cancel the downloads and press ctrl+alt+del will it be a problem? |
| 17:53.20 | luke-jr_work | how do I configure the 'ipmasq' package? |
| 17:53.32 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: did that. not found |
| 17:53.33 | fasta | DJ-_-: I won't give you advice, because I don't know. |
| 17:53.39 | DJ-_- | fasta: k |
| 17:53.41 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
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| 17:54.11 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: we're going in circles here. |
| 17:54.14 | fasta | Does the open-source driver now also incorporate hardware-mixing support? |
| 17:54.15 | dvs | luke-jr_work: zless less /usr/share/doc/ipmasq/README.Debian.gz |
| 17:54.36 | fasta | (for their soundstorm technology) |
| 17:54.37 | moshii | I need a very simple dns server, basically I have a machine running mail etc and want ns.mydomain and then mail.mydomain |
| 17:54.49 | Seb | how would I go about taking a snapshot from my webcam ? I mean, what command-line application ? |
| 17:54.52 | fasta | Their closed source driver used to support that, but now it's nowhere to be found. |
| 17:54.52 | Blissex | anabain: hard to suggest anything. But let's trya detail: what does 'lspci | grep Ether' say? Which modem exactly? |
| 17:54.52 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: sorry, i'll try to elaborate. type "/msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner" into your irc client. then follow the instructions the bot gives you |
| 17:54.53 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: i did that the last time you told me to, and those packages are up to date. |
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| 17:55.24 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: what version of the alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386 do you have installed? |
| 17:55.26 | Blissex | moshii: you don't need a DNS server for that, unless you want it for other people. |
| 17:55.36 | tapple | When browsing the package list in aptitude, how do I only see packages from etch, or only from debian-multimedia? If that is not possible, can I at least see from what package repository the package originated? I cannot find this information in aptitude |
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| 17:55.53 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: and did alsaconf find your soundcard sucessfully? |
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| 17:56.14 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: alsaconf found the card, but can't load drivers for it. |
| 17:56.16 | fasta | tapple: reading the manual also helps |
| 17:56.22 | stranger_stone | tapple:) |
| 17:56.39 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: what version of the alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386 packages do you have installed? |
| 17:56.46 | moshii | Blissex: I want to control my own subdomains etc from this machine.. bind was installed on it but it's a pain in the arse |
| 17:56.46 | abrotman | tapple: apt-cache policy <pkg> is one way |
| 17:56.48 | anabain | Blissex, ifconfig eth1 up outputs error while getting flag or something like that, then the orange blinking |
| 17:56.57 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: how do i find that? |
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| 17:57.16 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: what does "apt-cache policy alsa-modules-2.4.27-3-386" say for Installed: |
| 17:57.57 | DJ-_- | i will get on tomorrow |
| 17:58.03 | DJ-_- | see you |
| 17:58.03 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: 1.0.8+2sarge1 |
| 17:58.06 | DJ-_- | tc |
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| 17:58.13 | Blissex | moshii: well, it does not get much simpler than BIND for that kind of simple stuff really. It is the DNS which is a bit too flexible. However check out 'dnsmasq' or the other DNS server, 'maradns' |
| 17:58.16 | anabain | Blissex, lspci seems to recognize the ethernet device: MCP51, which is the chipset identifier for all pci related stuff |
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| 17:59.03 | DJ-_- | ty for all the help nvm fasta cydork and pipeline |
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| 17:59.28 | moshii | Blissex: this dns stuff is a whole world of pain :( |
| 17:59.37 | anabain | Blissex, and I'm using the same cable to connect to the other pc, with a realtek card, and it works fine. |
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| 17:59.44 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: what does "/sbin/modinfo snd-pcm-oss" return? a bunch of stuff? or "could not find..." |
| 17:59.50 | Blissex | anabain: well, it could be that the variant of the chip is not yet supported by 'forcedeth' if it is very new. |
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| 18:00.48 | Blissex | moshii: oh yes it is. But then you can do flexible things. However as zone files I have written a moderately tutorial and some sample config: http://www.sabi.co.uk/Notes/linuxDNSZones.html |
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| 18:01.09 | anabain | Blissex, I tried with nvnet for AMD64 on the same pc (kubuntu, that time, now debian), and nothing |
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| 18:01.31 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: a whole bunch of stuff. looks loke a core dump's output |
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| 18:02.08 | Cuddles_in_KY | something is messed up majorly somewhere. |
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| 18:02.47 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: try "depmod -a" then try "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" agaihn |
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| 18:03.31 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: depmod -a just froze the system solid, lots of beeping. |
| 18:03.32 | moshii | Blissex: maradns seems to be what I want |
| 18:03.37 | Blissex | anabain: ahhhh, so it is also 'amd64'. |
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| 18:04.51 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: rebooting, and trying depmod again. |
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| 18:05.38 | Blissex | anabain: what I would suggest is to do a web search with keywords like "forcedeth", "patch" and the exact model number returned by 'lspci | grep Ether' |
| 18:05.53 | giglf | how do you mount an external USB drive? |
| 18:05.55 | anabain | Blissex, I tried amd64 with kubuntu, and now with deb 32, but nothing. That's why I guess it's a hw prob |
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| 18:06.41 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: same result. solid lock, and beeping. |
| 18:06.46 | Blissex | anabain: it is far more likely that it is just a ''new chip variant, untested driver'' situation. But if it is a hw problem, you can't do much about it. |
| 18:06.55 | Blissex | giglf: carefully :-) |
| 18:06.56 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: this is sarge, right? |
| 18:07.02 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: yes. |
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| 18:07.25 | tapple | I am trying to see all versions of all packages with squeak in the name, along with all the information about them, especially which repository they come from. I tried the command aptitude -vv show ~nsqueak , and it only shows some information about a single package (squeak-image). Does anyone know the proper command? |
| 18:07.43 | Blissex | giglf: in theory if you have 'udev' installed that should sort it out. Else there is a USB mass storage HOWTO. Using the 'usb-storage' driver and then treating it as if it was SCSI. |
| 18:07.56 | cydork | giglf: /msg dpkg usb storage |
| 18:08.15 | Blissex | tapple: use 'aptitude' in full screen/interactive mode and then "l" and then the string. |
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| 18:08.39 | giglf | Blissex: maybe it is already "sorted out" How can I tell? |
| 18:08.51 | Blissex | tapple: read the 'aptitude' docs for the very powerful search ability of the "l" command. |
| 18:09.19 | Blissex | giglf: 'cat /proc/partitions', 'mount' or 'cat /proc/scsi/scsi' |
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| 18:09.43 | cydork | !tell giglf about usb storage |
| 18:09.44 | giglf | ah, cool thanks |
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| 18:10.18 | giglf | Blissex: I see something with sda, that must be it, right? |
| 18:10.46 | tapple | Blissex: that still does not show which sources.list command imported the package. Is there no way to see that information? |
| 18:10.48 | Blissex | giglf: most likely. |
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| 18:10.57 | giglf | aha |
| 18:10.58 | Blissex | giglf: 'fdisk -l /dev/sda' |
| 18:11.12 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: any ideas? |
| 18:11.20 | Blissex | giglf: 'mount -t auto /dev/sdaN /mnt' for example |
| 18:11.25 | giglf | Blissex: I don't want to fdisk this baby, it's a truecrypt disk with data on it |
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| 18:12.33 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: run memtest86? |
| 18:12.39 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: that really shouldn't happen |
| 18:13.28 | stew | Cuddles_in_KY: upgrade to a 2.6 kernel and module-init-tools and hope it goes away? |
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| 18:13.53 | rob__ | has anyone elses etch firefox just broken uppon updating |
| 18:14.10 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: memtested and did a system burn-in before i put debian on it. |
| 18:14.57 | Cuddles_in_KY | rob__: my wife's did last night. and she's on a win2k system. |
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| 18:16.02 | iturk | hi there i have installed apache2 using apt-get install. I would like to know where is it installed like if i do it manually it will be installed under the --prefix option !! |
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| 18:17.29 | Cuddles_in_KY | stew: i'll try upgrading the kernel. if it blows up, i'll let you know. |
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| 18:18.56 | abrotman | or he won't ... :) |
| 18:19.33 | stew | if depmod -a hangs his machine, i don't have high hopes for it |
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| 18:24.37 | Bushmills | g'day |
| 18:25.04 | twobitsprite | why does << alias e="echo \"$1\"" ; e foo >> echo " foo" (with a leading space)? |
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| 18:25.24 | twobitsprite | (#bash is idle heaven, so I asked here) |
| 18:25.32 | S4nD3r | hi there |
| 18:25.34 | S4nD3r | How solve this ?? ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 18:25.45 | pickcoder | anyone know an easy way to log http headers or view http headers when surfing with lynx? |
| 18:25.53 | twobitsprite | S4nD3r: try #mysql |
| 18:25.56 | stew | S4nD3r: start mysql |
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| 18:26.05 | twobitsprite | that might work too |
| 18:26.18 | stew | S4nD3r: if its not starting, you might try running "mysqld" from the command line as root and see what error pops out |
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| 18:28.05 | S4nD3r | debian changes file .cnf |
| 18:28.09 | S4nD3r | something like this |
| 18:28.25 | iturk | the main daemons like (samba) of the system are usualy stored in some directory which i forgot. Did someone knows ???? |
| 18:28.48 | anabain | Blissex, I've searched and it seems there is a patch to make forcedeth to work on MCP51 since 2.6.13. I've upgraded the kernel to the last version, 2.6.17.2 and tried forcedeth, but there's orange blinking, and if I put ifconfig eth1 up, starts a series of eth1:link up / eth1:link down messages |
| 18:29.07 | pickcoder | gah. never mind. Firefox helped me prove it |
| 18:29.11 | Bushmills | iturk: dpkg -L samba |
| 18:29.44 | pickcoder | live.com strips link referrals on click-throughs.. nice |
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| 18:29.47 | stew | twobitsprite: <<alias e="echo \"$1\"" >> sets up the alias: e='echo ""', so e foo runs: 'echo "" foo', since you are sending multiple arguments to echo, it separates them by a space |
| 18:29.54 | anabain | Blissex, as you suggested, I've searched this: forcedeth patch MCP51 |
| 18:30.15 | iturk | Bushmills: i only see doc files but there is a daemon running how can i stop or start it ?? |
| 18:30.21 | stew | twobitsprite: well what that alias sets up is dependent on how your shell was started, $1 could have a value in it i guess |
| 18:30.22 | Blissex | anabain: it could be a more precise model number than MCP51... |
| 18:30.29 | Bushmills | iturk: /etc/init.d/.... stop |
| 18:30.37 | Blissex | anabain: but I am just guessing. |
| 18:30.40 | iturk | Bushmills: thanks |
| 18:31.09 | twobitsprite | stew: ahh... should I use single-quotes? |
| 18:31.15 | stew | twobitsprite: huh? |
| 18:31.23 | stew | twobitsprite: what do you want to have it output? |
| 18:31.31 | stew | twobitsprite: "$1foo"? or "foo"? |
| 18:31.37 | benkong2 | does build-essential install work the same way it does in ubuntu **me ducks** I want all the gcc and developer stuzz |
| 18:31.46 | twobitsprite | I want << e foo >> to return just "foo" |
| 18:32.01 | stew | twobitsprite: alias e=echo |
| 18:32.07 | twobitsprite | (well.. this is just an example, I'm actually doing some more sophisticated) |
| 18:32.21 | stew | anabain: aliases don't process their arguments, if you really want to do stuff with $1, you need to write a function |
| 18:32.41 | stew | twobitsprite: ^^^ |
| 18:33.01 | twobitsprite | stew: I see |
| 18:33.05 | twobitsprite | thanks |
| 18:33.41 | giglf | Blissex: thanks for the help! |
| 18:33.55 | stew | twobitsprite: something like: function e() { echo $1; } |
| 18:34.13 | giglf | Blissex: what a great feeling when it works and it all makes sense |
| 18:34.37 | Blissex | giglf: occasionally :-) |
| 18:36.23 | S4nD3r | Im beginning to hate debian |
| 18:36.31 | twobitsprite | stew: that did it, thanks :) |
| 18:36.44 | S4nD3r | mysql doesnt work because its installed diferent versions between server and client module |
| 18:36.59 | stew | S4nD3r: can you be more specific? |
| 18:37.16 | stew | S4nD3r: are the client and the server running on the same machihne? |
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| 18:38.17 | S4nD3r | ERROR 2002 (HY000): Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (111) |
| 18:38.19 | S4nD3r | this is my problem |
| 18:38.23 | S4nD3r | I cant start my server |
| 18:38.32 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: are you root? |
| 18:38.33 | stew | S4nD3r: did you try running mysqld from the command line? |
| 18:38.39 | stew | pickcoder: shouldn't matter |
| 18:38.46 | S4nD3r | I did |
| 18:38.54 | stew | S4nD3r: did it give you an error? |
| 18:38.55 | pickcoder | stew: to start the daemon it doesn't matter? |
| 18:39.12 | stew | pickcoder: sorry, i thought you were referring to his cannot connect to socket problem |
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| 18:40.05 | giglf | hmmm suddenly can't run by text editor |
| 18:40.11 | jelly | S4nD3r: mysqld error output in /var/log/daemon.log might give some clues. |
| 18:40.18 | giglf | has anyone ever had something like that? |
| 18:40.36 | S4nD3r | Sep 15 15:39:56 localhost /etc/init.d/mysql[4431]: ^G/usr/bin/mysqladmin: connect to server at 'localhost' failed |
| 18:40.40 | rob__ | etch firefox broken.. on last update in ideas guys? |
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| 18:40.44 | S4nD3r | Sep 15 15:39:56 localhost /etc/init.d/mysql[4431]: error: 'Can't connect to local MySQL server through socket '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' (2)' |
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| 18:40.51 | abrotman | rob__: get used to it :) |
| 18:40.53 | S4nD3r | Sep 15 15:39:56 localhost /etc/init.d/mysql[4431]: Check that mysqld is running and that the socket: '/var/run/mysqld/mysqld.sock' exists! |
| 18:41.03 | stew | S4nD3r: what happens when you run "mysqld" by hand? |
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| 18:41.10 | giglf | Whatdoes this mean: Details: Failed to execute child process "gedit" (No such file or directory) ???????? |
| 18:41.22 | S4nD3r | Fatal error: Please read "Security" section of the manual to find out how to run mysqld as root! |
| 18:41.27 | S4nD3r | 060915 15:41:08 Aborting |
| 18:41.27 | simonrvn | !tell giglf about ep |
| 18:41.29 | stew | giglf: probably that gedit isnt' installed |
| 18:41.33 | S4nD3r | 060915 15:41:08 mysqld: Shutdown Complete |
| 18:41.35 | simonrvn | giglf: install it |
| 18:41.37 | jelly | S4nD3r: look for lines with "mysqld" |
| 18:41.38 | rob__ | heh :/ |
| 18:41.43 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: are you root? |
| 18:41.49 | S4nD3r | yes, im root |
| 18:42.09 | stew | S4nD3r: what happens when you run "su -c mysqld mysql |
| 18:42.11 | stew | " |
| 18:42.22 | S4nD3r | nothing |
| 18:42.24 | jelly | S4nD3r: run /etc/init.d/mysql start, then note the freshly added lines from mysqld[ numbers ]: |
| 18:42.25 | giglf | simonrwn: it was already installed, how did it get uninstalled? |
| 18:42.57 | stew | S4nD3r: nothing like it sits there, or nothing like it exits immediately? |
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| 18:43.09 | Anthro | I am using gvim on Debian, displaying on a MacOS X X11 server. Every time I start gvim I get "(gvim:23105): Pango-WARNING **: Error loading GPOS table 4097" but everything seems to work just fine. Any idea how to get rid of the pango output? |
| 18:43.12 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: ps ax | grep mysql |
| 18:43.29 | stew | rob__: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:43.45 | jelly | He should be starting mysqld_safe not mysqld, shouldn't he? |
| 18:43.52 | pickcoder | jelly: yes |
| 18:43.58 | rob__ | ta |
| 18:44.04 | pickcoder | jelly: but you _can_ start it manually |
| 18:44.19 | stew | jelly: doesn't matter for this purpose |
| 18:44.37 | stew | jelly: generally if mysql isn't starting running mysqld will tell you what the error is if there is a config error |
| 18:44.50 | stew | rob__: or try moving your .mozilla directory somewhere out of the way to see if something in it is causing a problem |
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| 18:45.44 | simonrvn | giglf: you tell me. check your logs, if you're running etch you should see a log of what happened in /var/log/dpkg.log and/or /var/log/aptitude |
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| 18:46.14 | simonrvn | giglf: btw, it's simonrvn not simonrwn ;) |
| 18:46.24 | giglf | okay |
| 18:46.29 | stew | ur Mr. Raven |
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| 18:46.53 | simonrvn | stew: hehe |
| 18:47.44 | stew | ^u^o |
| 18:47.44 | S4nD3r | su -c mysqld mysql This worked |
| 18:47.55 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.58 | S4nD3r | nothing showed |
| 18:48.15 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: then it's not running |
| 18:48.39 | S4nD3r | Oh my... Its so difficult to runs |
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| 18:49.36 | S4nD3r | /usr/bin/mysqld_safe & |
| 18:49.41 | S4nD3r | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.44 | S4nD3r | mysqld_safe[4581]: started |
| 18:49.50 | S4nD3r | STOPPING server from pid file /var/lib/mysql/matrix.pid |
| 18:49.55 | S4nD3r | mysqld_safe[4595]: ended |
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| 18:50.08 | abrotman | switch to pgsql! |
| 18:50.17 | jelly | abrotman: you troll you! |
| 18:50.31 | pickcoder | abrotman: if it was only that simple... |
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| 18:50.32 | abrotman | i would troll me .. but then i'd feed the troll |
| 18:50.36 | abrotman | pickcoder: it is |
| 18:50.36 | stew | matrix.pid? |
| 18:51.13 | abrotman | it's lopsided |
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| 18:52.21 | stew | it is really wierd that mysql is case sensitive able column names EXCEPT columns named id or ID or Id or iD |
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| 18:53.48 | pickcoder | stew: that's a feature |
| 18:53.57 | stew | sure |
| 18:54.02 | stew | a wierd feature |
| 18:54.02 | pickcoder | <g> |
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| 18:54.48 | jelly | stew: What I really hate is mysql silently putting junk into a db if you try to put too large a value into an int field. |
| 18:54.48 | pickcoder | S4nD3r: is the matrix.pid still in /var/lib/mysql? |
| 18:54.50 | eidolon | hi folks - anyone using lcdproc? i installed the packagfe (which is listed as 'server and clients), but the 'lcdproc' client wasn't installed (debian etch). where is the 'lcdproc' client? |
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| 18:56.00 | saptech | hello |
| 18:56.00 | stew | jelly: just make everything a memo field |
| 18:56.22 | stew | jelly: i haven't seen that one |
| 18:56.45 | S4nD3r | (mysql-common diff version than mysql-server or mysql-client) |
| 18:56.49 | S4nD3r | Thats is the problem |
| 18:56.54 | saptech | is there a problem with Sid and xchat? |
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| 18:57.03 | S4nD3r | When try to use apt-get, this gets versions confused |
| 18:57.06 | S4nD3r | its a bug |
| 18:58.09 | stew | S4nD3r: put the actual apt-get command you are typing and the acutal output into a pastebin |
| 18:58.32 | Ronin | saptech: quite likely it is sid after all |
| 18:58.48 | stew | saptech: /msg dpkg bts |
| 18:59.27 | saptech | ok, thanks |
| 18:59.35 | abrotman | saptech: yes .. there is |
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| 19:00.29 | saptech | thanks again |
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| 19:01.14 | rob__ | ppc etch firefox bug has been fixed think there just waiting for the ftp's to be updated |
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| 19:03.02 | Seb | how would I go about taking a snapshot from my webcam from the command-line ? |
| 19:03.06 | gean | i have some 16:10 proportion laptop screen, the resolution 1280 x 800 was not ``in the install list'' and i also have no idea how to make the resolutio i see , 1024 x 768 closer to fit the graphical possibilities.. is here any solution (letters are less high than wide...) |
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| 19:03.14 | SnarceZ | hi all guys... |
| 19:03.31 | SnarceZ | i'm looking for a parental control or something like thet |
| 19:03.38 | SnarceZ | for firefox |
| 19:04.09 | S4nD3r | stew, just apt-get install mysql-server |
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| 19:04.38 | stew | 14:58 < stew> S4nD3r: put the actual apt-get command you are typing and the acutal output into a pastebin |
| 19:04.44 | vin` | gean: if it's an intel card, try the 915resolution package. |
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| 19:06.51 | wilhart | could someone help with XGL for Debian ? |
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| 19:07.42 | gean | vin`: thanks! i saw in synaptic (runnin') what 855resolution can do... must decide if i do want it! thanks again! |
| 19:08.32 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
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| 19:09.32 | wilhart | abrotman: http://www.ee.oulu.fi/~sta/howto/xgl-debian.html |
| 19:10.03 | abrotman | it's not in debian |
| 19:10.13 | abrotman | those aren't official packages |
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| 19:10.40 | stew | wilhart: if you have an actual question, just ask it. it looks like you already have a howto, what exactly do you need to know that isn't in there? |
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| 19:11.28 | wilhart | well: i'm trying to get into a repo http://www.prato.linux.it xgl/, (apt-get update) gives a error like: NO_PUBKEY 6864730DF095E5E4, how do i fix this, i found a url with this keycode but how do i enable it the keycode is here: http://the.earth.li:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=6864730DF095E5E4 |
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| 19:11.50 | tombo | Is it possible to have a telnet smpt session by cram-md5 authentification? |
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| 19:11.54 | simonrvn | abrotman: not running the other as secondary/slave? ;p |
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| 19:12.10 | abrotman | simonrvn: i am .. |
| 19:12.46 | jelly | tombo: it depends on whether your MTA supports it. |
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| 19:13.58 | wilhart | :/ |
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| 19:15.36 | tombo | jelly: I ask if telnet supports that. Yes, so what conversion-tool do I use and what is the Passwort-user-syntax used for "auth cram-md5"? |
| 19:15.58 | simonrvn | wilhart: /msg dpkg apt-get key |
| 19:16.25 | jelly | tombo: telnet doesn't support it itself, you'll have to provide the protocol yourself. ;-) |
| 19:16.56 | simonrvn | hm, sorry, i'll get you the proper factoid |
| 19:17.01 | abrotman | !apt-key blah |
| 19:17.02 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys blah ; gpg --export blah | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 19:17.23 | petemc | tropo: you should look at swaks |
| 19:17.24 | tropo | sup? |
| 19:17.25 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 19:17.25 | dpkg | somebody said popcon was the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 19:17.29 | petemc | hmm |
| 19:17.38 | petemc | tombo: apt-cache show swaks |
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| 19:17.54 | petemc | tropo: bad nick completion |
| 19:18.01 | wilhart | abrotman: complex |
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| 19:18.26 | simonrvn | wilhart: that's not very hard |
| 19:18.48 | jelly | petemc: wow, the swaks tool looks just like what the doctor ordered for my testing of various smtp auth options. |
| 19:19.05 | petemc | aye |
| 19:19.15 | tombo | (; |
| 19:19.18 | tombo | thx |
| 19:19.22 | petemc | there are other tools, cant recall their names off the top of my head |
| 19:21.27 | wilhart | . /msg dpkg apt-get key 6864730DF095E5E4 |
| 19:21.29 | wilhart | like this? |
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| 19:24.36 | wilhart | omg this is impossible |
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| 19:25.22 | stew | dpkg: tell wilhart about apt-key 6864730DF095E5E4 |
| 19:25.23 | asg | wilhart: did you run the gpg ... snippet that the bot printed earlier? |
| 19:25.24 | wilhart | heh ok thanks! |
| 19:25.37 | wilhart | damn, that was easy! this is nice |
| 19:25.40 | wilhart | channel |
| 19:25.51 | Hoxzer | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:25.56 | wilhart | yeps.. tnx gotit. |
| 19:25.57 | Hoxzer | oops |
| 19:26.39 | stew | heh: < wilhart> omg this is impossible < wilhart> damn, that was easy! this is nice |
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| 19:27.11 | asg | stew: qotd, qotd! |
| 19:27.20 | vin` | flw |
| 19:27.30 | stew | asg: i don't know how to create factoids |
| 19:27.49 | asg | uh huh |
| 19:28.42 | stew | dpkg: please make the qotd from that last thing i said, k? LOLZ |
| 19:28.46 | stew | doesn't work |
| 19:28.57 | asg | stew: you need more lollage |
| 19:29.20 | tarzeau | abrotman: have you seen www.bsdstats.org ? |
| 19:29.20 | stew | lolzcopter |
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| 19:29.49 | abrotman | should i? |
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| 19:30.09 | tarzeau | abrotman: yes, it's even debian related |
| 19:30.22 | abrotman | uhhuh |
| 19:30.35 | abrotman | hehe .. dbsd has more users than debian/bsd |
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| 19:31.07 | tarzeau | abrotman: probably because they install those scripts secretly, without regards what the user wants |
| 19:31.08 | asg | tarzeau: the kFreeBSD logo rocks |
| 19:31.15 | tarzeau | asg: it's from io.debian.net ... |
| 19:31.38 | tarzeau | asg: someone did it, i don't remember who. i think it was a woman even of debian-woman |
| 19:31.45 | asg | tarzeau: classic |
| 19:31.50 | tarzeau | asg: we couldn't find out who exactly to give credit :( |
| 19:32.03 | asg | tarzeau: are you running bsdstats? |
| 19:32.09 | tarzeau | asg: nope, but i ported the script |
| 19:32.20 | asg | ah, okay. |
| 19:32.22 | tarzeau | (well it was really two lines more or so) |
| 19:32.41 | kristalino | is etch stable enough for production ? |
| 19:33.17 | asg | kristalino: probably but it has the potential to go kaboom at anytime. |
| 19:33.30 | asg | kristalino: I'd stick with sarge personally |
| 19:33.35 | pickcoder | asg: isn't that every O/S? |
| 19:33.38 | stew | kristalino: it doesn't get security updates either |
| 19:33.41 | Ronin | kristalino: and backports |
| 19:33.55 | asg | pickcoder: never had an issue with any stable debian release since potato |
| 19:34.03 | stew | flw! |
| 19:34.28 | asg | stew: not including the soon to be stable |
| 19:34.30 | kristalino | stew, asg Ronin, i need mysql5 and php5. What is the best way to go from sarge and to go there (php5/mysql5) ? |
| 19:34.38 | abrotman | stew: kind of does |
| 19:34.42 | asg | tarzeau: when TWC decides to unfuck my intarweb connection, you'll be able to add another OpenBSD box or two to the mix. |
| 19:34.43 | abrotman | !testing security |
| 19:34.44 | dpkg | well, testing security is Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 19:35.42 | stew | abrotman: yes there is an infastructure, but it doesn't actually get security updates |
| 19:35.42 | tarzeau | asg: hehe, i don't run it , but nice :) |
| 19:35.42 | stew | abrotman: its gotten 4 since etch released, and none in the last 12 months or so |
| 19:35.42 | tarzeau | !bugstats |
| 19:35.43 | dpkg | hmm... bugstats is http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 19:35.43 | abrotman | etch released?!~ |
| 19:35.43 | tarzeau | asg: but i plan some bugstats updates |
| 19:35.43 | stew | kristalino: you can install php5 and mysql5 from bacports.org /msg dpkg bpo |
| 19:35.51 | abrotman | stew: i blame Maulkin |
| 19:35.54 | stew | s/released/was created/ |
| 19:35.58 | asg | tarzeau: and likely another 10 or so once we fully decommission our MCS 5100 and reclaim some hardware for internal firewall / ids sensors. |
| 19:36.07 | kristalino | stew, do you find backports better than installing etch ? |
| 19:36.20 | stew | kristalino: for a server? certainly |
| 19:36.36 | kristalino | yes for a server |
| 19:36.40 | stew | certainly |
| 19:36.59 | abrotman | could you do that in a three stooges accent? |
| 19:37.10 | asg | nyuck nyuck nyuck |
| 19:37.36 | cqst | hello |
| 19:37.55 | abrotman | !poke asg |
| 19:38.34 | SnarceZ | does anybody know how to block porn site on linux? |
| 19:38.50 | jelly | is there a debian/bsd distro with BSD libc? |
| 19:38.54 | asg | SnarceZ: a single one or a fuckload? |
| 19:39.16 | SnarceZ | something like parental control... |
| 19:39.23 | disasm | SnarceZ: dansguardian? |
| 19:39.27 | SnarceZ | i guess a fuckload |
| 19:39.32 | EdLin | jelly: they tried to make one but it created enough problems that they decided to use glibc |
| 19:39.39 | asg | SnarceZ: use squid + squidguard |
| 19:40.15 | SnarceZ | I tried squidguard but it didn't connected to internet anymore... |
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| 19:40.44 | Zartosht | hello to all |
| 19:40.45 | asg | SnarceZ: likely a misconfiguration. Depending on usage, you might be better off blocking all sites and only allowing your kids to go to certain ones. |
| 19:40.45 | SnarceZ | and if you change the option from manual proxy to direct connection you can do all you want |
| 19:40.55 | cydork | !prize EdLin |
| 19:41.01 | asg | EdLin: no but we'll give you a mutton pie |
| 19:41.08 | SnarceZ | it's not kids |
| 19:41.10 | EdLin | asg: mutton you do that? |
| 19:41.25 | kristalino | stew, thanks, without your idea, i would have used etch instead of backports. |
| 19:41.25 | SnarceZ | it is for a internet point in a 4strs hotel |
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| 19:41.52 | asg | SnarceZ: people go to 4 star hotels generally to look at porn and get up to other debauchery. |
| 19:42.11 | SnarceZ | not generally... |
| 19:42.18 | jelly | EdLin: I've read the archives and it seems that the devel. on debian+netbsd core+libc stopped since the only developer went awol. glibc+kfreebsd isn't very interesting to me since it's basically a different source platform than freebsd. I'd like to try a BSD with dpkg. |
| 19:42.28 | SnarceZ | but today a found an open window with a porn site... |
| 19:42.41 | asg | SnarceZ: squid + squidguard + yearly subscription to urlblacklist.com (if you have bags of cash, look at websense or barracuda's anti-spyware firewall rackmount) |
| 19:42.42 | SnarceZ | not very clever |
| 19:42.43 | Ronin | SnarceZ: on a guest machine or staff? |
| 19:43.20 | SnarceZ | sorry ronin? |
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| 19:43.56 | Ronin | ya that was pretty vauge wasnt it, you trying to stop paying guests from surfing porn or staff from surfing for porn |
| 19:44.02 | EdLin | jelly: I'd like it if the netbsd one worked, it'd be great for increasing Debian's supported platforms or embedded systems. Unfortunately I don't have the programming ability to make that. |
| 19:44.20 | SnarceZ | guests... |
| 19:44.34 | SnarceZ | it's a machine with debian |
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| 19:44.43 | Ronin | well they have payed who cares where they surf then as long as they not breaking any laws? |
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| 19:45.07 | asg | Ronin: the hotel might be located in Utah. Breathing is illegal there. |
| 19:45.14 | Ronin | asg: heh |
| 19:45.24 | SnarceZ | no... i'm in italy... |
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| 19:45.52 | jelly | EdLin: hmm, didn't Linux (kernel) surpass netbsd on the sheer number of supported platforms a while ago? |
| 19:45.57 | SnarceZ | it's only not too appropriate to let they see that in front of all... |
| 19:46.00 | andrej | Is there any way to install nagios on debian *w/o* pulling in mysql? |
| 19:46.04 | asg | SnarceZ: ah, then you diametrically opposed to Utah (unless you are in the Vatican) |
| 19:46.27 | asg | andrej: install nagios-text |
| 19:46.35 | andrej | Tried that |
| 19:46.38 | SnarceZ | lot of kids looking for porn... |
| 19:46.51 | andrej | Tried nagios-pgsql, too, since that's the DBMS I'm using |
| 19:46.53 | asg | andrej: are you running sarge? |
| 19:47.00 | wols_ | jelly: it did |
| 19:47.04 | andrej | It STILL forces an mysql install when I install the plugins |
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| 19:47.29 | cydork | SnarceZ, check out dansguardian, might be some help |
| 19:47.36 | SnarceZ | i'm yet lookig the homepage... |
| 19:47.36 | andrej | running testing/unstable, whatever that evaluates to |
| 19:47.41 | asg | andrej: the plugins package relies on mysqlclient but should pull the server piece in |
| 19:48.12 | asg | or shouldn't, rather |
| 19:48.15 | andrej | The following NEW packages will be installed |
| 19:48.16 | andrej | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:48.24 | asg | andrej: is that it? |
| 19:48.26 | jelly | andrej: install nagios-text? |
| 19:48.36 | stew | andrej: you'd have to rebuild the nagios-common package to not depend on nagios-mysql |
| 19:48.36 | asg | jelly: /lastlog asg |
| 19:48.42 | andrej | Nope, there's more, but I don't want to get kicked ;} |
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| 19:49.00 | andrej | jelly: that does still install those two |
| 19:49.00 | jelly | asg: eh. |
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| 19:49.20 | andrej | stew: how do I do that? |
| 19:49.27 | andrej | I haven't been using debian for long |
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| 19:49.34 | Enthusiast78 | Greetings! |
| 19:49.53 | Enthusiast78 | Does Debian use mbox or Maildir as default? |
| 19:50.02 | stew | andrej: apt-get build-dep nagios ; apt-get install build-essential ; apt-get source nagios ; cd nagios-* ; edit debian/control ; remote the dependency, then dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot |
| 19:50.33 | andrej | Thanks stew ... I'll give it a shot |
| 19:50.34 | asg | Enthusiast78: debian doesn't use either, the selected MDA will use one or both depending on its configuration. |
| 19:51.00 | stew | andrej: you should probably "dch --nmu" before you dpkg-buildpackage in order to bump the version number, then put it on hold after you install the debs, /msg dpkg hold |
| 19:51.44 | stew | hmm i wonder if build-dep installs build-essential |
| 19:51.56 | andrej | Thank you very much Stew, greatly appreciated |
| 19:51.58 | stew | i could argue both that it should and that it shouldn't |
| 19:52.10 | andrej | I'll give it a shot - now real life needs my attention :) |
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| 19:53.26 | asg | cydork: start playing WoW |
| 19:53.30 | Enthusiast78 | asg, Sorry, I mean if I install a fresh Debian system and install postfix and say, dovecot throught aptitude, what will be pre-configured with? |
| 19:54.02 | cydork | asg, you call that real life? i might try second life :P |
| 19:54.03 | asg | Enthusiast78: iirc, dovecot uses maildir by default but can be configured for mbox |
| 19:54.04 | tam | what do people recommend for a binary newsreader on debian? i have tried klibido |
| 19:54.20 | asg | Enthusiast78: and postfix can be configured to deliver to either. |
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| 19:55.06 | sid | What is an easy way for me to sync my preferences for certain programs between two different machines.(all inside my LAN) Like my rss feed reader for example. When I check rss feeds on my desktop they get marked as read, but when I go to my laptop they aren't marked as read. |
| 19:55.20 | Enthusiast78 | asg, Cool. But will they use Maildir or mbox as default? Do I need some manual configuration to get Maildir or the package configuration will just ask what to use? |
| 19:55.30 | sid | What is a good way to sync $HOME/.program directories? |
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| 19:56.02 | asg | sid: the best way is to mount /home via nfs or some network filesystem. Otherwise, rsync over ssh is an option |
| 19:56.06 | cydork | sid, put it on usbdrive or write a script for that :P |
| 19:56.12 | nathan__ | hello, has anyone had the problem of kcontrol losing all of its modules, and they only show up under "Lost & Found" in the menu? |
| 19:56.20 | tuv | sid, consider unison |
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| 19:58.05 | asg | Enthusiast78: you'll have to check the docs to be sure. Also #postfix might be useful and there is probably a #dovecot also. |
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| 19:58.19 | vinay_ | i have a tv tuner and want to record the oddball show.. is there a simple, lightweight cron-triggerable app that would get that done? |
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| 19:59.59 | wols_ | Enthusiast78: you will need to ocnfig postfix for maildir a bit. maildir is default for dovecot IIRC. (and no one should use mbox anyways) |
| 20:00.16 | asg | wols_: mbox has its uses |
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| 20:00.34 | wols_ | asg: some people think lawyher have uses |
| 20:00.49 | asg | wols_: as foot rests, that's true |
| 20:00.50 | wols_ | asg: imap just isn't suited for mbox |
| 20:01.00 | asg | wols_: depends on mail volume though |
| 20:01.19 | wols_ | if your server can't do maildir in imap, you better think about pop3 or a better servre |
| 20:01.31 | wols_ | or amybe cyrus |
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| 20:03.07 | paolob-parroquia | Hi guys! What package is stdio lib in? |
| 20:03.29 | abrotman | for C/C++ ? |
| 20:03.29 | streuner | !b-e paolob-parroquia |
| 20:03.29 | dpkg | paolob-parroquia: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
| 20:03.30 | abrotman | !b-e paolob-parroquia |
| 20:03.35 | asg | !be ed |
| 20:03.36 | streuner | hehe |
| 20:03.36 | dpkg | ? |
| 20:03.56 | streuner | interesting, the first i ever win against abrotman :-) |
| 20:04.01 | streuner | time* |
| 20:04.09 | abrotman | because i wasn't sure he was talking about C |
| 20:04.33 | streuner | first rule, if you not sure, don't say something. |
| 20:04.37 | paolob-parroquia | abrotman, for C |
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| 20:04.53 | sid | In sid/Gnome how do I change "Desktop" to say something else in the panel? |
| 20:05.01 | asg | streuner: this is #debian, people blurt things out all the time |
| 20:05.13 | EdLin | !be edlin |
| 20:05.20 | abrotman | streuner: were you sure he was asking about C ? |
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| 20:05.36 | streuner | asg: sure, but if 1 of 100 needs more infos you will look very old... ;-) |
| 20:06.57 | Enthusiast78 | asg, wols_ I appreciate your help. Actually I know how to make both work with Maildir. I just wanted to raise the consciousness that perhaps Maildir should be enforced as the default by pre-configured packages in order to avoid hassling with mbox |
| 20:07.25 | asg | Enthusiast78: perhaps. If you think so, file a wishlist bug against the package(s) |
| 20:07.45 | streuner | abrotman: the factoid makes it easier to handle doubts ;-) |
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| 20:08.38 | streuner | "It sounds like you ..." is very variable :-) |
| 20:09.07 | goetter | anyone know what would make my ssh daemon lock up sessions randomly and never time them out? |
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| 20:09.17 | goetter | usually within a few minutes |
| 20:09.29 | asg | goetter: are you ssh'ing to a box behind a cheap soho router? |
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| 20:09.35 | goetter | i sure am |
| 20:09.42 | epsilon | how can I find out, as which user a php script is executed as? (php-cgi & suexec) |
| 20:09.43 | asg | goetter: try upgrading the firmware on the router. |
| 20:09.51 | goetter | asg: this router has no such thing, sadly |
| 20:09.56 | asg | goetter: ah |
| 20:09.58 | abrotman | asg: yay! .. i can pee! |
| 20:10.00 | goetter | all i have to go on is the fact that ssh-ing *out* works fine |
| 20:10.16 | abrotman | streuner: you have to stop drinking while you're on IRC |
| 20:10.29 | asg | goetter: I've seen similar symptoms with cheap netgear routers and such. |
| 20:10.45 | asg | abrotman: cout |
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| 20:10.53 | abrotman | asg: damn right! |
| 20:11.02 | pickcoder | goetter: you mean it has firmware, but you can't update it? |
| 20:11.18 | Enthusiast78 | asg, Yup |
| 20:11.20 | goetter | right. |
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| 20:11.36 | streuner | abrotman: stop spreading bullshit into this channel |
| 20:11.37 | pickcoder | goetter: I find that hard to believe. What brand and model is it? |
| 20:11.50 | abrotman | streuner: start making sense! |
| 20:12.11 | goetter | it's a Thomson DCW725 |
| 20:12.16 | goetter | branded as an RCA |
| 20:12.25 | goetter | it's a cable modem wireless router ;) |
| 20:12.35 | goetter | and if it has firmware i have yet to find it |
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| 20:14.07 | twobitsprite | You have of course, just begun the sentence that you have just finished reading. |
| 20:14.22 | twobitsprite | Just thought I'd let you know |
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| 20:14.48 | asg | was that troll-lite? |
| 20:15.03 | twobitsprite | no, it was meant to be informative |
| 20:15.05 | twobitsprite | :P |
| 20:15.15 | asg | the obvious is never informative |
| 20:15.28 | twobitsprite | it might not have been obvious to everyone |
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| 20:15.46 | twobitsprite | does this sentence remind you of Agatha Christie? |
| 20:16.01 | asg | not particularly |
| 20:16.10 | stew | twobitsprite: does this sentence make you wonder if you should stop? |
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| 20:16.43 | twobitsprite | stew: ohh c'mon... it's not like anyone is thoroghly discussing the advantages of package managers or anything... |
| 20:16.47 | twobitsprite | lighten up |
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| 20:17.16 | stew | heh, i'll take that as a yes? |
| 20:17.24 | stew | or was that a no? |
| 20:17.36 | asg | decisions, decisions |
| 20:17.39 | twobitsprite | lol |
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| 20:18.11 | twobitsprite | I suppose it did make me consider stopping, but only because I assumed you were implying that you wanted me to... |
| 20:18.22 | asg | where's peterS with loldude when we need him |
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| 20:18.56 | jenipapo | hi all |
| 20:19.04 | all | hey |
| 20:19.11 | jelly | twobitsprite: oh ffs, just cut it out |
| 20:19.15 | jenipapo | How to define a byte in C ? |
| 20:19.26 | asg | jenipapo: try #c |
| 20:19.33 | jenipapo | ? |
| 20:19.39 | asg | jenipapo: the irc channel |
| 20:19.41 | twobitsprite | jelly: sheesh.... |
| 20:19.48 | jenipapo | ok |
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| 20:19.58 | tuv | jenipapo, char |
| 20:20.39 | jenipapo | tuv: char seem to be 2 bytes long |
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| 20:21.00 | mortal5 | guys, how do i disable dma at boot from lilo prompt? |
| 20:21.02 | tuv | jenipapo, not in c |
| 20:21.08 | tarzeau | mortal5: for linux? |
| 20:21.16 | asg | mortal5: append nodma to the kernel line |
| 20:21.17 | mortal5 | tarzeau: yes |
| 20:21.30 | mortal5 | asg yeah, but what's the exact format? |
| 20:21.49 | mortal5 | append="nodma"? |
| 20:21.56 | pickcoder | goetter: ok.. I looked enough. They have a factory pre-load of software and it can't be changed. |
| 20:21.57 | asg | mortal5: yes |
| 20:22.02 | jenipapo | tuv: I am wrong |
| 20:22.18 | jenipapo | Its 1 byte :( |
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| 20:22.23 | Snadder | Hi. Anyone know which package I need installed to get ld ... -lpanel.a to work? |
| 20:22.27 | jenipapo | Thank you and sorry :( |
| 20:22.27 | pickcoder | goetter: you're using pppoe, right? |
| 20:22.32 | jelly | mortal5: ide=nodma -- if you have kernel source, read up Documentation/kernel-parameters.txt |
| 20:22.34 | asg | Snadder: /msg dpkg search |
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| 20:23.15 | stew | Snadder: /msg dpkg apt-file ; apt-file search libpanel.a |
| 20:23.17 | Noriega | hey |
| 20:23.28 | jelly | mortal5: I _think_ ide0=nodma would work for a particular channel, but I'm not sure. |
| 20:23.43 | goetter | pickcoder: it's a cable modem. |
| 20:23.49 | goetter | afaik, no pppoe |
| 20:24.05 | Noriega | I installed Debian on the drive where I previously had Ubuntu, and I get GRUB error 15 and it stalls, how do I get to see grub.conf? |
| 20:24.11 | goetter | you're probably right about it being the device, however. |
| 20:24.22 | pickcoder | goetter: I'm guessing it's probably the connection |
| 20:24.27 | goetter | when i'm at home using it, i also experience the problem of not being able to use irc |
| 20:24.32 | pickcoder | goetter:that happens to me on DSL when the connection flips for a second or two |
| 20:24.47 | goetter | i.e. a few irc servers, like irc-23.net, work flawlessly |
| 20:25.00 | sts | Can someone please help with ldap? I get: bdb_db_open: Cannot access database directory '/var/lib/ldap' (2) but the directory is actuall writeable! |
| 20:25.05 | goetter | but trying to connect to freenode will result in it connecting, and disconnecting about 30 seconds after i try to do something (like /join) |
| 20:25.20 | goetter | during which it freezes |
| 20:25.22 | pickcoder | goetter: that sounds like a flakey connection |
| 20:25.31 | goetter | mmm.. everything else is flawless |
| 20:25.33 | pickcoder | goetter: do you have a splitter on that drop? |
| 20:25.47 | pickcoder | goetter: everything else is stale connectivity |
| 20:25.56 | pickcoder | goetter: unless you use FTP and it works flawlessly |
| 20:25.57 | goetter | i get excellent download speeds, and web browsing, and ssh-ing to external hosts |
| 20:26.01 | goetter | ftp works great too |
| 20:26.10 | Snadder | The following packages have unmet dependencies. |
| 20:26.10 | Snadder | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:26.14 | S4nD3r | Is possible to install sounds in my debian sarge (gnome) ??? |
| 20:26.18 | Snadder | I get this message when trying to install apt-file |
| 20:26.19 | pickcoder | goetter: do you have a splitter on that drop? |
| 20:26.20 | S4nD3r | sounds of environment |
| 20:26.30 | goetter | pickcoder: i assume so. the building has an apartment |
| 20:26.41 | goetter | i haven't seen it, myself |
| 20:26.50 | pickcoder | goetter: I mean on the cable/wall jack your modem is plugged into |
| 20:26.52 | tuv | S4nD3r, Desktop -> Preferences -> Sound |
| 20:27.14 | wols_ | Noriega: when does error 15 happen? what are you doing? |
| 20:27.44 | goetter | oh. no. |
| 20:28.15 | pickcoder | goetter: normally, in apartments, you have one drop from a master distribution panel. If you have more than a couple devices in your apt then you may want to consider a signal amp. |
| 20:28.33 | pickcoder | goetter: if you get snow on other TVs then there's too much load |
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| 20:28.52 | goetter | i suspect the signal is fine. the administration interface gives me statistics about this, but since ssh is working so poorly, i'm having trouble tunneling to it |
| 20:29.00 | pickcoder | hm |
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| 20:31.25 | robin_sz | sigh .. why is Request Tracker always soe hard to set up? |
| 20:31.34 | robin_sz | even under Debian .. |
| 20:31.42 | pickcoder | goetter: how does your ping time look? Try a fairly large ping packet and run it for like 60 seconds |
| 20:31.45 | robin_sz | a man page might help :( |
| 20:33.59 | pickcoder | speaking of SSH locking up.. my DSL just flaked at home.. grr |
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| 20:34.44 | asg | robin_sz: O'Reilly has a nice book that covers most of the config. The problem with RT is that it requires a complete assload of obscure perl modules. |
| 20:36.20 | mortal5 | does debian use grub or lilo? |
| 20:36.25 | mortal5 | by default |
| 20:37.08 | mortal5 | I need a small footprint system that uses grub |
| 20:37.08 | asg | mortal5: it depends on which version you have. >=sarge uses grub gy default |
| 20:37.09 | streuner | default is (d-i) grub |
| 20:37.09 | streuner | nowadays |
| 20:37.09 | tuv | mortal5, depends on your installation, but grub is the basic default |
| 20:37.17 | tuv | mortal5, e.g. if you use lvm you'll probably get lilo |
| 20:37.49 | cydork | morner, or if you choose xfs you will lilo. with etch |
| 20:37.58 | abrotman | or lvm .. you get lilo |
| 20:37.59 | nathan__ | hello, has anyone had the problem of kcontrol losing all of its modules, and they only show up under "Lost & Found" in the menu? |
| 20:38.11 | mortal5 | asg: is sarge the current stable? |
| 20:38.17 | asg | mortal5: yes |
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| 20:39.30 | gniretar_home | greeting all |
| 20:39.33 | streuner | mortal5: why do you ask us such basic questions? |
| 20:39.50 | cydork | !greet gniretar_home |
| 20:39.50 | dpkg | Gr33tz, gniretar_home |
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| 20:40.51 | wilhart | anyone got a fully working help site on HOWTO install XGL on Debian ? |
| 20:41.04 | wilhart | that script did not work |
| 20:41.22 | cydork | wilhart, that script? |
| 20:41.43 | wilhart | this: |
| 20:41.59 | wilhart | NEW !!! I have been writed an Auto-Install script ! Download and run it, and Xgl is installed ! |
| 20:42.08 | wilhart | - Download it http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/setupxglen.sh |
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| 20:42.23 | abrotman | xgl isn't in debian |
| 20:42.31 | wilhart | abrotman: what do you mean ? |
| 20:42.34 | cydork | !tell wilhart about xgl |
| 20:42.44 | streuner | !xgl |
| 20:42.44 | dpkg | [xgl] the X server architecture layered on top of OpenGL and takes advantage of available accelerated 3D rendering hardware. It is designed to integrate well with the composite extension and performs best when a compositing manager is running.check http://www.novell.com/linux/xglrelease or ask me about "compiz" and "xgl-howto", or see http://getkororaa.com/ for a live-cd with xgl. see http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 20:42.48 | wols_ | cydork: grub works fine with etch |
| 20:42.53 | wols_ | erm with xfs |
| 20:42.57 | abrotman | i mean .. it's not in debian .. it's not supported here |
| 20:43.00 | cydork | wols_, you sure?? |
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| 20:43.08 | wols_ | cydork: very sure. ran it myself |
| 20:44.04 | cydork | wols_, ok i will try it then |
| 20:44.05 | wilhart | abrotman: ah! :) |
| 20:44.27 | abrotman | though .. TBH .. i'm not sure it's supported anywhere :) |
| 20:44.27 | streuner | wilhart: read what 'gravity' wrote about (wiki.debian.org) |
| 20:44.46 | abrotman | i think he decided to go with AIGLX instead of XGL |
| 20:45.39 | cydork | abrotman, yep that wiki needs updating |
| 20:45.40 | goetter | pickcoder: know a host which will let me ping them with 65k of data? ;0 |
| 20:46.04 | wilhart | streuner: can't find it |
| 20:46.19 | streuner | http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 20:46.19 | abrotman | he wrote the whole thing |
| 20:46.37 | abrotman | streuner: just tell him what you want him to know |
| 20:47.05 | abrotman | and as i already said .. i'm pretty sure he decided to go with aiglx |
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| 20:48.30 | wilhart | i've tried 2x howto/guildes on howto activate/install it, didnt work had to reset old settings |
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| 20:48.37 | wilhart | let's see this wiki Xgl |
| 20:48.42 | abrotman | maybe you should just give up |
| 20:49.03 | abrotman | http://gravityboy.livejournal.com/27835.html |
| 20:49.34 | pickcoder | goetter: uh... hm |
| 20:49.47 | goetter | i wonder if this is an MTU problem |
| 20:50.02 | goetter | my ssh sessions freeze up immediately if i try to load a man page |
| 20:50.03 | goetter | or run top |
| 20:50.25 | pickcoder | goetter: try setting it to 1498 |
| 20:50.31 | goetter | how ^_^ |
| 20:51.04 | goetter | ifconfig locks me up too btw |
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| 20:52.10 | goetter | initial results are good |
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| 20:53.47 | Jungleland | Goodevening. |
| 20:54.19 | Jungleland | I am thouroghly confused. I am looking for a Socket 939 motherboard. But i have no idea which chipset is the most "Linux friendly". Any pointers? |
| 20:55.18 | goetter | pickcoder mm. ifconfig eth0 mtu 1498 and everything works. ifconfig eth0 mtu 1500 and everything stops as before |
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| 20:55.39 | goetter | problem solved but >_< |
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| 20:56.09 | KungPhoo | hi |
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| 20:56.16 | KungPhoo | I have debian for xbox installed |
| 20:56.23 | KungPhoo | but the GLX extensino is missing |
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| 20:56.44 | KungPhoo | I installed libmesa-nvidia (or so) |
| 20:56.45 | Ronin | KungPhoo: maybe try the correct channel? |
| 20:56.57 | KungPhoo | Ronin: which one? |
| 20:57.42 | streuner | well, if cannot find one, just try there ML |
| 20:57.59 | Ronin | well the xbox debian one |
| 20:58.12 | streuner | you could search on ircsearch.com for an channel too |
| 20:58.15 | KungPhoo | there is none |
| 20:58.18 | KungPhoo | :( |
| 20:58.19 | pickcoder | goetter: that's not surprising. I've seen a few routers not work well @ 1500 |
| 20:58.48 | Ronin | KungPhoo: whats the distro name? |
| 20:58.53 | KungPhoo | xebian |
| 20:59.30 | streuner | there was one channel here on freenode, but its dead or they closed the channel |
| 20:59.37 | wilhart | abrotman: what excactly is this AIGLX? |
| 21:00.10 | wilhart | ok |
| 21:00.10 | KungPhoo | glxinfo gives an error |
| 21:00.10 | DaBlade | wilhart: Similar to Xgl, only still using the Xorg architecture rather than building a new one from scratch |
| 21:00.17 | wilhart | for fedora? |
| 21:01.05 | wilhart | DaBlade: what's better then? |
| 21:01.09 | wilhart | DaBlade: easyer? |
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| 21:01.39 | S4nD3r | How to install php+mysql to work together ??? |
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| 21:02.17 | S4nD3r | I installed, but something is wrong. When I try to run an application, I get the message that php is not set to run with mysql |
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| 21:04.47 | w32 | I am out of hard disk space in my root partition , I have about 6 gigabytes free space in /dev/sda7 (/data) there is nothing critical in the directory-so would I create a symlink or could I manually resize without the need to reboot the machine ? |
| 21:05.42 | goetter | i suspect you can't resize your root partition without a reboot ;) |
| 21:05.46 | Seb | w32: usually you mv /home to the new partition |
| 21:05.51 | goetter | however, you could easily move /home or /usr |
| 21:05.58 | Seb | w32: then edit fstab, and rmeount it |
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| 21:06.29 | abrotman | wilhart: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIGLX |
| 21:06.38 | w32 | ok, I'll see what that does |
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| 21:06.44 | qbit_wrk | w32: do this as root "cd / ; du -k | sort -n" |
| 21:07.03 | qbit_wrk | er sorry |
| 21:07.06 | qbit_wrk | w32: do this as root "cd / ; du -kx | sort -n" |
| 21:07.08 | kevsthabest | does anyone know why php5 wouldnt want to detect mysql (i installed all the required packages_ |
| 21:07.12 | w32 | qbit ok did it |
| 21:07.16 | wilhart | scrolling in Firefox is dead slow with AIGLX/Compiz.) |
| 21:07.24 | qbit_wrk | it will tell you where most of your usage is .. |
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| 21:09.09 | jsantos | how can i use cdrecord as user and not root? |
| 21:09.34 | w32 | qbit; largely /var.lib/vz/private |
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| 21:10.06 | w32 | or rather just /var/lib/vz |
| 21:10.11 | S4nD3r | I installed, but something is wrong. When I try to run an application, I get the message that php is not set to run with mysql |
| 21:10.13 | S4nD3r | How to install php+mysql to work together ??? |
| 21:10.46 | abrotman | install the module for it |
| 21:11.36 | jsantos | anybody? |
| 21:12.16 | kevsthabest | i got php5-mysql module installed, but it still wont work.. any ideas? |
| 21:12.16 | abrotman | it should have asked you a question about that when you installed it |
| 21:12.38 | abrotman | for apache1 or 2 or cli? |
| 21:12.57 | kevsthabest | added it to all the .ini |
| 21:13.02 | kevsthabest | still doesnt work |
| 21:13.22 | abrotman | which .ini ? |
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| 21:13.46 | kevsthabest | php.ini, when you install php5-mysql, it asks to what ini's to add to |
| 21:14.20 | abrotman | kevsthabest: cd /etc/php/ .. how many directories are there? |
| 21:14.47 | kevsthabest | 3, apache2, cgi and cli |
| 21:14.57 | abrotman | and which .ini did you add it to? |
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| 21:15.23 | macjason | hi all |
| 21:15.27 | abrotman | and does a <?phpinfo();?> page show it listed? |
| 21:15.28 | macjason | does anyone use teh split command ? |
| 21:15.39 | abrotman | lots of people .. ask a real question |
| 21:16.24 | macjason | when i cat the files back together i can't use the app |
| 21:17.06 | macjason | say a 10mb file i do split -b 10mb file.mp3 file it splits it then when i do cat file* > file.mp3 it goes back but i can't play it |
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| 21:17.42 | kevsthabest | i added it to all of them... trying to load the page now.. |
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| 21:19.36 | abrotman | and? |
| 21:19.45 | abrotman | macjason: probably EOF markers |
| 21:20.00 | kevsthabest | still fighting with loading the .php file i made |
| 21:21.06 | abrotman | it's one line |
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| 21:21.52 | kevsthabest | yeah and none of my browsers wants to open it as a webpage.. their trying to open it with a editor |
| 21:21.59 | kevsthabest | (save to or open with msg) |
| 21:23.35 | kevsthabest | it says its loaded |
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| 21:25.27 | abrotman | that has nothing to do with mysql support |
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| 21:26.34 | kevsthabest | then what am i looking for? |
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| 21:26.53 | abrotman | if it's trying to download .php files .. you've messed up your apache config somehow |
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| 21:27.08 | kevsthabest | no, i fixed that.. i didnt have it in my www folder |
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| 21:28.38 | aeacides | I can't seem to obtain the kernel sources for my new debian etch installation. apt-get install kernel-sources-* seems not to work no matter what I put into my sources.list. |
| 21:28.54 | cydork | aeacides, it's linux-sources |
| 21:29.10 | aeacides | oh! |
| 21:29.16 | cydork | aeacides, they changed the name in etch :) |
| 21:29.18 | pickcoder | s/sources/source |
| 21:29.43 | cydork | aeacides, ^^ |
| 21:29.43 | cydork | :P |
| 21:29.50 | macjason | anyone get that ? |
| 21:29.54 | pickcoder | if you want the tree to build a kernel, the get linux-tree instead |
| 21:30.11 | celebaby | hi, buddy. what's going on here? |
| 21:30.20 | aeacides | thank you cydork, and thanks for pointing out my type pickcoder. |
| 21:30.28 | aeacides | s/type/typo/ |
| 21:30.45 | aeacides | cydork: how did you know they changed it? |
| 21:30.56 | cydork | aeacides, also check /msg dpkg kernel-package |
| 21:31.05 | cydork | aeacides, i am using etch from long time :P |
| 21:32.15 | celebaby | it's r00t, not root |
| 21:32.26 | celebaby | afaik |
| 21:32.56 | celebaby | what's wrong? |
| 21:33.18 | cydork | celebaby, hehe someone msged about root or what? |
| 21:33.33 | celebaby | for what? |
| 21:33.59 | cydork | celebaby, nm |
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| 21:40.52 | kevsthabest | anyone else might know why mysql and php doesnt seem to want to work together |
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| 21:42.19 | cydork | kevsthabest, are you getting errors about mysql_* being undefined |
| 21:42.50 | kevsthabest | when? |
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| 21:43.26 | cydork | kevsthabest, what do you mean it's not working together? |
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| 21:45.07 | kevsthabest | im in the process of installing phpbb2, i tried with downloading it from the site, didnt work. then i tried tru apt-get, when i try running phpbb2-mysql-config, it keeps saying it cant connect.. when i tried installing mambo, it wouldnt even detect mysql |
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| 21:46.06 | cydork | kevsthabest, it cant connect to? |
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| 21:46.20 | kevsthabest | nope, which i dont understand why |
| 21:46.32 | jelly | kevsthabest: stupid question: is the mysql server up? |
| 21:46.41 | wols_ | kevsthabest: have you laoded the php mysql module? what does your phpinfo(); say? |
| 21:47.02 | cydork | kevsthabest, can you paste error in paster? |
| 21:47.05 | cydork | !paster |
| 21:47.05 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 21:47.06 | kevsthabest | lol, yes its up, phpinfo says its all there |
| 21:47.23 | wols_ | and your username/pass for the database is correct? |
| 21:47.39 | wols_ | I've often seen how php programs can't detect mysql under debian but they worked fine then |
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| 21:48.50 | kevsthabest | hold on.. apparently some information about mysql in php is missing..*about to smash his head into a wall* |
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| 21:50.27 | cydork | :) |
| 21:50.39 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 21:50.39 | dpkg | popcon is, like, the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 21:51.45 | nehoksan | n8 |
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| 21:54.09 | zith | When i try to install from floppy, all i get after i press enter on the "splash screen" is "boot failed: please change disks and press enter to continue". Does anyone know what a solution to this might be? |
| 21:55.20 | wols_ | checked the floppy for bad sectors? |
| 21:55.23 | cydork | zith, try another floppy, |
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| 21:58.03 | tarzeau | cydork: try to insert this floppy in your drive: http://www.kimdara.com/photochron/kim_floppy_1985.jpg |
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| 21:58.26 | zith | cydork: yeah.. i've tried like 20 though :/ |
| 21:58.28 | zith | or at least 10 |
| 21:58.37 | zith | maybe i should buy new ones |
| 21:58.38 | tarzeau | zith: did you undust the DRIVE ? |
| 21:58.50 | zith | tarzeau: uh.. no.. what is that? :P |
| 21:58.57 | tarzeau | zith: the FLOPPY DRIVE |
| 21:59.04 | tarzeau | zith: or the DUST? |
| 21:59.10 | zith | yeah.. but like.. open it up and blow on it? |
| 21:59.28 | zith | or are you talking about some fancy software hack i've never heard about? |
| 22:00.02 | tarzeau | zith: get the largest compressor you can get |
| 22:00.04 | Bhavesh | how about floppy drive cleaner? where u put a drop of alcohol and put the disk in and try to read it |
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| 22:00.12 | Bhavesh | and that cleans the head of the drive |
| 22:00.14 | tarzeau | zith: and target the drive and blow 1 minute |
| 22:00.21 | Shadowcat | ... |
| 22:00.43 | zith | tarzeau: sounds like a great idea |
| 22:00.48 | tarzeau | zith: it's fun too :) |
| 22:00.57 | Bhavesh | !help |
| 22:00.58 | zith | cydork: are you drunk? |
| 22:01.15 | tarzeau | cydork: do you have it online for me to try? |
| 22:01.22 | Bhavesh | brb |
| 22:02.01 | cydork | tarzeau, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6880888700625496919 |
| 22:02.21 | tarzeau | cydork: that doesn't work on my computer, sorry |
| 22:02.33 | tarzeau | cydork: can you make a normal movie? i have mplayer |
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| 22:03.17 | cydork | tarzeau, try http://basshunter.m0o.eu/anna/ |
| 22:03.30 | zith | cydork: dont spread it :( |
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| 22:04.03 | cydork | zith, hehe :P |
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| 22:04.27 | zith | it's a real public pain here in sweden |
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| 22:04.51 | tarzeau | hurd can do WLAN and PCMCIA now, btw |
| 22:05.17 | aubergine | I have installed Sarge on my SATA System and only the 2.4 standard Kernel is working. 2.6 closes with Kernel Panic because the SATA Disc isnt found. I want to install the 2.6 Kernel for my System, what must i do? |
| 22:05.38 | cydork | tarzeau, yay |
| 22:05.45 | tarzeau | aubergine: make your own kernel? |
| 22:05.48 | pipeline | aubergine: I'm afraid you need a newer kernel. |
| 22:05.52 | tarzeau | aubergine: install kernel-package |
| 22:06.02 | tarzeau | aubergine: get it from www.kernel.org (the kernel) |
| 22:06.08 | aubergine | yes i made one |
| 22:06.09 | wols_ | aubergine: edit your fstab. most probably hda became sda and so on |
| 22:06.16 | cydork | tarzeau, or try http://www.fulldls.com/downloading_albums_49258 |
| 22:06.23 | tarzeau | aubergine: your kernel configuration? which sata controller? which driver? lspci line? |
| 22:06.49 | aubergine | The Controller is onboard i have a Tyan Mainboard |
| 22:07.00 | cydork | aubergine, check what wols_ said |
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| 22:07.11 | aubergine | wols_ ? |
| 22:07.20 | wols_ | 00:06 < wols_> aubergine: edit your fstab. most probably hda became sda and so on |
| 22:07.33 | wols_ | your menu.lst too |
| 22:08.15 | aubergine | the fstab files is confed like this: /dev/hde8 on / /dev/hde1 on /boot and so on |
| 22:08.19 | aubergine | is that correct? |
| 22:09.44 | aubergine | but i can set it to /dev/sda1 /dev/sda2... |
| 22:10.06 | aubergine | it seems that are the same partitions |
| 22:11.35 | beu | buu: and here |
| 22:11.53 | Shadowcat | heh |
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| 22:12.02 | Shadowcat | having a nick after a vegetable when I'm hungry == bad idea |
| 22:12.55 | cydork | Bad Cat |
| 22:12.59 | cydork | :P |
| 22:13.09 | Shadowcat | pfft |
| 22:13.19 | Shadowcat | not my fault I haven't been fed |
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| 22:15.15 | wols_ | aubergine: doN't set it just to anything. look in your bootup messages as what the kernel the drives recognizes. |
| 22:15.38 | sid | <IMG SRC="/icons/image2.gif" ALT="[IMG]"> <A HREF="00011830erf24t24.jpg">00011830erf24t24.jpg</A> 22-Jul-2005 17:23 36k |
| 22:15.58 | sid | If I have lots of lines like that, How can I only show what is inside the quotes of A HREF="00011830erf24t24.jpg |
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| 22:16.13 | sid | I want to do "cat file, and only show 00011830erf24t24.jpg |
| 22:16.15 | wols_ | Shadowcat: cat's don't eat veggies. they eat mice, hairballs and others tuff. but no veggies |
| 22:16.18 | francis | Hi, I've got a 250 watt PSU and a friend's told me if I got a new nvidia card it'd be me begging it to explode |
| 22:16.18 | sid | For each line |
| 22:16.23 | Shadowcat | ..... |
| 22:16.25 | wols_ | sid: regex |
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| 22:16.39 | francis | and that it might take the MB/drives with it; how accurate is that? |
| 22:16.51 | wols_ | francis: wrong channel. also depends on what kind of card you get and what you already have |
| 22:16.52 | Shadowcat | sid: that isn't even a valid tag |
| 22:16.57 | Shadowcat | it's <img/> damnit |
| 22:17.00 | bit0 | hi!, compiz works nice! |
| 22:17.13 | sid | Shadowcat: It's not mine. |
| 22:17.42 | francis | wols_: let's say an nvidia 5200 fx? |
| 22:18.09 | wols_ | francis: what part of "wrong channel" was unclear? |
| 22:18.24 | francis | wols_: only the part where you continued to answer the question |
| 22:18.43 | sid | Shadowcat: How can I only show what is inside those quotes? |
| 22:18.50 | wols_ | sid: regex |
| 22:19.56 | Shadowcat | if I was parsing that through an XML parser |
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| 22:20.09 | Shadowcat | I could write an if clause to trigger when it runs into an img tag |
| 22:20.20 | Shadowcat | the value of the first attribute should give you what you want |
| 22:20.27 | Nopalin | how do can i insert number of pages in open office? |
| 22:20.39 | Shadowcat | enter key |
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| 22:23.40 | steve | hi all |
| 22:23.45 | steve | how do I masquerade a specific network interface with iptables? |
| 22:25.41 | cydork | steve, install shorewall or google for masqureade mini howto or /msg dpkg ipmasq |
| 22:28.05 | sid | steve: iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o <output interface device, such as eth0...probably the one connected to the INTERNET> -j MASQUERADE ; echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_foward |
| 22:28.42 | sid | steve: Then set a static ip for that box, and have other ips that are connecting through the Internet via that box, use that static ip as their gateway. |
| 22:29.18 | steve | sid: how do I masquerade a vlan where packets will be coming from, not going to? |
| 22:29.22 | steve | eth0.500 for example |
| 22:29.33 | steve | with connections being sent to a gateway |
| 22:30.15 | sid | steve: /join #iptables |
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| 22:38.24 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:38.24 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:38.28 | Brinks | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 3days 15hrs 41mins 56secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) at 2308MHz (9% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 2046/2047.48MB (99.93%) hdd: C:\ 891.87MB/18.67GB Free E:\ 22.45GB/232.88GB Free net: Instant Wireless PCI Card V2.7 - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 11MB/s -1.25GB In, 116.97MB Out |
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| 22:38.37 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:38.37 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:38.38 | Brinks | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 3days 15hrs 42mins 7secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) at 2308MHz (4% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 2046/2047.48MB (99.93%) hdd: C:\ 891.87MB/18.67GB Free E:\ 22.45GB/232.88GB Free net: Instant Wireless PCI Card V2.7 - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 11MB/s -1.25GB In, 116.97MB Out |
| 22:38.45 | abrotman | Brinks: turn it off please |
| 22:38.50 | ALinux | Hi guys, if I'm using an NIS account and I already logged in a system and I try to read a device I own (e.g: /dev/sdb) does the system will check if I'm authorized from the NIS server again or it will let me read the device without the need to authorize me again since I already logged in ? |
| 22:39.28 | stew | Brinks: owner |
| 22:39.39 | abrotman | oh wait |
| 22:39.41 | abrotman | !hi |
| 22:39.41 | dpkg | hello, abrotman |
| 22:39.48 | abrotman | guess not |
| 22:39.49 | stew | Brinks: have you ever heard of alan turing and his famous test? do you think you could pass this test? |
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| 22:40.40 | stew | !test |
| 22:40.40 | dpkg | Yes, stew, you're still online. |
| 22:41.07 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:41.07 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:41.10 | Brinks | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 3days 15hrs 44mins 38secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) at 2308MHz (4% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 2046/2047.48MB (99.93%) hdd: C:\ 891.68MB/18.67GB Free E:\ 22.45GB/232.88GB Free net: Instant Wireless PCI Card V2.7 - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 11MB/s -1.25GB In, 116.98MB Out |
| 22:41.13 | abrotman | that's just stupid |
| 22:41.28 | dvs | Brinks: that's a record up time! ;-) |
| 22:41.29 | cydork | wtf? |
| 22:41.33 | abrotman | hrm .. also in #ubuntu .. should i be surprised ? |
| 22:42.56 | abrotman | !flw |
| 22:42.56 | dpkg | i heard flw12 is <digitaltemper> caphuso why what you going to do haxor me heh |
| 22:43.18 | stew | he's human, /lastlog Ginks |
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| 22:43.53 | abrotman | no logs :) |
| 22:45.23 | Bushmills | ALinux: once you authenticated (with help of nis), you're in, and can do what is possible within your permission set |
| 22:46.10 | tarzeau | ALinux: still don't know? |
| 22:46.13 | Shadowcat | Brinks: seriously, we don't give a flying fuck what you're running |
| 22:46.20 | ALinux | Bushmills: could you please provide me with any document that say that ? |
| 22:46.35 | Bushmills | ALinux: no. |
| 22:48.08 | abrotman | ALinux: i'm not sure why it matters |
| 22:48.22 | abrotman | are you expecting your NIS server to go away ? |
| 22:48.27 | Bushmills | ALinux: yes. this irc log :) |
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| 22:52.46 | Brinks | hrmm |
| 22:52.54 | abrotman | !moo |
| 22:52.54 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:52.56 | Brinks | moo: os: Microsoft Windows XP Professional - Service Pack 2 (5.1.2600) up: 3days 15hrs 56mins 27secs cpu: AMD Athlon(tm) at 2308MHz (2% Load) gfx: NVIDIA GeForce FX 5950 Ultra 256MB 1280x1024 32bit 60Hz ram: 2046/2047.48MB (99.94%) hdd: C:\ 891.53MB/18.67GB Free E:\ 22.35GB/232.88GB Free net: Instant Wireless PCI Card V2.7 - Packet Scheduler Miniport - 11MB/s -1.25GB In, 117.01MB Out |
| 22:52.59 | abrotman | grrrr |
| 22:53.00 | Brinks | didn't know that trigger was used in here |
| 22:53.16 | Brinks | !moo |
| 22:53.16 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 22:53.21 | Brinks | there |
| 22:53.22 | Shadowcat | turn the thing off |
| 22:53.24 | abrotman | thank you ;) |
| 22:53.28 | Shadowcat | unless you want to get thrown out |
| 22:53.32 | Brinks | heh, was afk |
| 22:53.34 | Brinks | didn't even know |
| 22:53.46 | abrotman | amazingly .. XP uses 4% when you're afk :) |
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| 22:54.17 | Brinks | haha, yah |
| 22:54.43 | force | i have installed apache 1.3.33 and php 5.1.6 and when i use a web browser to attempt to view a php file it asks me what i would like to open it with, how can i resolve this? i believe i have the correct lines in the apache config |
| 22:54.47 | abrotman | !pizza me |
| 22:54.59 | abrotman | force: apache is misconfigured |
| 22:55.19 | jelly | wtf is glibc-doc-reference in non-free? |
| 22:55.23 | abrotman | force: clear your browser cache .. restart it |
| 22:55.28 | abrotman | jelly: has nonfree parts :) |
| 22:55.31 | force | I have |
| 22:55.40 | abrotman | force: then it's misconfigured |
| 22:55.47 | abrotman | force: i'd try another browser/machine if you can |
| 22:55.48 | force | obviously |
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| 22:56.03 | abrotman | jelly: is it GFDL ? |
| 22:56.10 | mhall | Something for you fellow security enthusiasts: http://www.counterhack.net/base_clippy_image.html |
| 22:56.19 | force | I have the appropriate AddType lines in the httpd.conf file |
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| 22:56.29 | wols_ | force: you obviously haven't. why else would the browser try to download it instead of display html? |
| 22:56.40 | mhall | force: have a look at #apache as well |
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| 22:56.56 | abrotman | force: restart apache .. clear cache .. restart browser .. try again |
| 22:56.56 | mhall | force: i found there are some gurus there who have this stuff figured out like it was genetic |
| 22:57.08 | abrotman | it's pretty damn easy |
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| 22:57.21 | jelly | abrotman: er, yes. |
| 22:57.25 | force | abrotman: those are obvious things i have already tried |
| 22:57.33 | abrotman | jelly: i think that's why |
| 22:57.34 | stew | jelly: the copyright has invariant sections and a back cover text |
| 22:57.41 | dutchfish | anyone can give me a clue when the broken packages of the hypervisor-3.0 for xen will be fixed in etch, apart from the bugs in udev? |
| 22:57.41 | force | wols_: i have no idea, but i have the correct addtype lines. |
| 22:57.42 | jelly | abrotman: so GFDL doesn't meet DFSG? wtf. |
| 22:57.43 | wols_ | cd /etc/apache/ |
| 22:57.44 | wols_ | ls |
| 22:57.50 | wols_ | *grrr |
| 22:57.56 | abrotman | force: is the module being loaded ? |
| 22:58.07 | force | how do i check? |
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| 22:58.31 | sputnik | lo |
| 22:58.36 | stew | jelly: GFDL licenced works are only considered non-free if the license contains no front-cover texts, no back cover texts and no invariant sections |
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| 22:58.43 | mhall | dutchfish: please give me a package name |
| 22:58.55 | mhall | stew: please revise that statement |
| 22:59.10 | jelly | Oh well, IANAL and must look up what invariant means in the first place. |
| 22:59.10 | abrotman | force: look in /etc/apache/modules.conf |
| 22:59.10 | stew | s/non-free/free/ |
| 22:59.18 | stew | mhall: is that what you meant? |
| 22:59.24 | sputnik | hey, i can't get cpufreqd to work. |
| 22:59.25 | force | LoadModule php4_module /usr/lib/apache/1.3/libphp4.so |
| 22:59.27 | force | is in there |
| 22:59.31 | sputnik | anybody know what modules need to be loaded for it? |
| 22:59.50 | mhall | stew: well it's not that i don't trust you because you're usually pretty smart, i just wanted to be sure that's really what you'd meant |
| 23:00.06 | dutchfish | mhall, xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386_3.0.2+hg9697-2_i386, |
| 23:00.13 | mhall | stew: because without that sed statement it seemed mighty outrageous ;-) |
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| 23:00.16 | abrotman | force: what's your addtype line ? |
| 23:00.20 | stew | jelly: the license for that documentation says that you are not free to alter the documentation fully, you are not allowed to remove the phrase "Free Software Needs Free Documentation". Since you are not free to modify this statement the documentation is considered non-free |
| 23:00.24 | stew | how ironic |
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| 23:00.32 | force | http://apache.pastebin.ca/172241 |
| 23:00.34 | Random | hello |
| 23:00.43 | mhall | !why is xen-hypervisor-3.0 not in testing |
| 23:00.43 | dpkg | xen-hypervisor-3.0 is not in testing for the reasons listed in http://bjorn.haxx.se/debian/testing.pl?package=xen-hypervisor-3.0 |
| 23:00.58 | Random | i am having problems mounting a usb dev with pmount sda mp3 |
| 23:00.59 | mhall | dutchfish: please visit the link i generated |
| 23:01.05 | dutchfish | mhal, using the package form unstable doesnt show same problems |
| 23:01.06 | Random | it seems to do nothing? |
| 23:01.14 | abrotman | force: looks fine |
| 23:01.21 | force | :\ |
| 23:01.21 | mhall | dutchfish: yes this is because of the way testing works |
| 23:01.23 | abrotman | force: anything in the apache error log ? |
| 23:01.38 | mhall | dutchfish: packages can only show up in testing when their deps have been stable for a certain time |
| 23:01.45 | force | nothing that will help me |
| 23:01.51 | dutchfish | mhall, any clue for a workaround for etch? |
| 23:01.51 | abrotman | force: is this on a public IP ? |
| 23:01.56 | mhall | dutchfish: whereas in unstable, arbitrarily good and or bad packages show up whenever |
| 23:02.06 | force | yes it is |
| 23:02.12 | abrotman | force: can i try it ? |
| 23:02.17 | force | sure |
| 23:02.18 | mhall | dutchfish: well not a lot you can do, when people are in between releases they'll be regularly upsetting the apple cart |
| 23:02.21 | abrotman | you can msg me the IP if you'd rather not have it public |
| 23:02.46 | dutchfish | mhall, also this package makes a mess of udev |
| 23:02.55 | jelly | stew: I guess I don't want to go there and ask for DFSG to be adapted. ;-) |
| 23:02.57 | mhall | dutchfish: best thing is if you can get a package working from stable or unstable, place it on hold using echo 'packagename hold' | dpkg --set-selection |
| 23:03.19 | abrotman | force: got a URL? |
| 23:03.21 | stew | jelly: dfsg is only allowed becuase the dfsg was just adapted to allow it by a GR at the end of last year |
| 23:03.26 | mhall | dutchfish: well udev is kind of a tough deal, it's not really ready for prime time in my opinion so i hand compile my own kernels and use hotplug. |
| 23:03.28 | force | abrotman: ah, i think its because i have mod_php4 configured when i have php5 :/ lol |
| 23:03.38 | abrotman | force: uhm .. yeah .. that will do it |
| 23:03.45 | mhall | stew: "dfsg is only allowed becuase the dfsg was just adapted" ...? |
| 23:03.47 | force | thanks though |
| 23:04.01 | force | haha |
| 23:04.06 | stew | mhall: thanks again |
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| 23:04.14 | stew | jelly: sorry i was confused |
| 23:04.16 | abrotman | mhall: flogging! |
| 23:04.21 | jelly | stew: Haha, I didn't mean that (but it's funny), I meant to ask for the DFSG to be changed just enough so that this documentation license becomes free. |
| 23:04.26 | mhall | stew: you've done the same for me before so i'm trying to return the favor |
| 23:04.26 | dutchfish | mhall, if i only could point my eyes on a good tutor for using hotplug in etch with xen i would be very greatfull |
| 23:04.46 | stew | jelly: there has been a LOT of effort by debian people to convince the FSF fo this, to no avail |
| 23:04.53 | mhall | dutchfish: hmm. i'll probably need one too because i've been wanting to Xen my opteron box |
| 23:05.06 | stew | jelly: they are not really seemingly concerned that debian considers dfsg non-free |
| 23:05.19 | mhall | dutchfish: i'm loathe to mention this but there is also the free as in beer vmware GSX available if you need something more stable than xen |
| 23:05.24 | stew | jelly: http://www.us.debian.org/vote/2006/vote_001 is the resolution (i was wrong again, it was this year, not last) |
| 23:05.38 | mhall | dutchfish: feel free to beat me with the club of anti-proprietariality ;-) |
| 23:05.49 | mhall | dutchfish: i could probably use it |
| 23:05.50 | dutchfish | mhall, so far i have xen running with the xen-hypervisor-3.0-i386_3.0.2+hg9697-2_i386 from unstable but no luck on the bridging due to udev |
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| 23:06.05 | lws | Anybody here familiar with ldap+ssl authentication on Debian? |
| 23:06.28 | mhall | dutchfish: i wonder, if you could compile your own kernel which used no initrd, had the xen patches, and then install hotplug over the top of udev, and everything would work |
| 23:06.37 | mhall | dutchfish: is udev an actual requirement of Xen? |
| 23:06.41 | dutchfish | nhall, the stupid thing is, 1 month ago i had it fully working on 1 machine with the older xen packages |
| 23:06.50 | Random | hello ... pmount sda mp3 does nothing ... can some provide me some suggestions ... i have modprob usb_storage dmesg shows device ... i just cannot mount it |
| 23:07.01 | dutchfish | mhall, afirmative for xen-3.0 |
| 23:07.07 | mhall | dutchfish: this kind of problem is quite common with new and disruptive technology such as xen and udev |
| 23:07.18 | mhall | dutchfish: i really wish they hadn't made xen depends on udev |
| 23:07.19 | dutchfish | nhall, sigh.. |
| 23:07.27 | sputnik | hmm, weird |
| 23:07.32 | petemc | dutchfish: what kernel are you using? |
| 23:07.44 | mhall | dutchfish: i really feel your pain but i'm afraid i can't help much due to lack of personal experience |
| 23:07.49 | dutchfish | petemc, 2.6.17 |
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| 23:08.13 | petemc | dutchfish: modprobe netloop |
| 23:08.29 | abrotman | !usb storage |
| 23:08.30 | dpkg | Load the 'usb-storage' and 'sd_mod' modules. Then your USB drive should appear as /dev/sda or /dev/sdb or something. Consult /proc/partitions to see if it has a partition table. Create an entry in /etc/fstab like: "/dev/sda1 /mnt/usb vfat user,noauto,noatime 0 0", and do "mkdir /mnt/usb". Then you can "mount /mnt/usb" and "umount /mnt/usb" at will. |
| 23:08.31 | mhall | dutchfish: since i work for hp, one place i could suggest is posting to our itrc linux forum |
| 23:08.34 | dutchfish | petemc, i dont dig that one |
| 23:08.34 | jelly | stew: Hm, that's an implicit promise of keeping non-free alive for as long as there's GFDL licensed docu. for free software in main. |
| 23:08.45 | abrotman | mhall: worthless forums! |
| 23:08.56 | stew | jelly: what is? why? |
| 23:08.57 | petemc | dutchfish: is your digging something a requirement of it working? |
| 23:09.02 | mhall | abrotman: didn't work for you? |
| 23:09.11 | abrotman | mhall: not even close .. |
| 23:09.17 | mhall | abrotman: bummer |
| 23:09.29 | mhall | dutchfish: well maybe not, abrotman says he didn't have good luck |
| 23:09.42 | abrotman | mhall: it's actually the crap hardware they sold to the .com i worked for .. |
| 23:09.44 | dutchfish | petemc, also i have sometimes missing lo because of udev |
| 23:09.56 | abrotman | mhall: go figure .. they intentionally fuck the AGP on servers ... |
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| 23:10.12 | stew | dutchfish: because you have lo_temp instead? |
| 23:10.44 | dutchfish | stew, similar yes |
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| 23:11.00 | stew | dutchfish: that's easy to fix |
| 23:11.00 | petemc | dutchfish: networking on xen stopped working when i moved to 2.6.17, loading netloop fixed it |
| 23:11.04 | abrotman | mhall: i thought google had indexed the thread |
| 23:11.16 | petemc | unfortunately, other things were more terminal |
| 23:11.17 | dutchfish | stew, _$_lo_temp |
| 23:11.44 | dutchfish | petemc, chapeaux...:) |
| 23:11.59 | jelly | stew: well, if eg. glibc doc is continued to be distributed, it'll be kept in non-free. For users' sake, it'll not be removed. So, non-free will be kept along with Debian until further notice, making it defacto part of Debian. |
| 23:12.10 | Random | i have both kernel mods loaded |
| 23:12.14 | stew | dutchfish: that's a new one, but in general, "ip link set _$_lo_temp name lo && rm /etc/udev/rules.d/z25_persistent-net.rules |
| 23:12.21 | Random | seems like pmount still fails |
| 23:12.37 | Random | should i use fstabs? |
| 23:12.41 | stew | jelly: i don't see how it follows that becuase the doc is in non-free that non-free has to be kept |
| 23:12.58 | dutchfish | stew, i treid that with no luck, probably because i have a quircky broadcom GigBit adapter |
| 23:12.58 | stew | jelly: and non-free, by its definition, is not part of Debian |
| 23:13.11 | stew | dutchfish: it shouldn't have anything to do with the adapter |
| 23:13.30 | stew | dutchfish: especially since lo isn't tied to any physical hardware |
| 23:13.37 | dutchfish | stew, the adapter curently has drivers that needs write access for some reasen |
| 23:13.37 | petemc | dutchfish: broadcom + 2.6.17 == :( |
| 23:13.40 | jelly | stew: it doesn't follow, it stems from afair part of the social contract that says to be good to users (very free interpretation). |
| 23:13.45 | stew | physical hardware is kinda redundantly redundant |
| 23:14.21 | dutchfish | petemc, ill try recompile them tommorrow |
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| 23:14.40 | petemc | dutchfish: you can put the broadcom code from 2.6.16 into 2.6.17 and your problems will disappear |
| 23:15.02 | stew | jelly: yeah, but the very first statement in the SC is "debian will renaim 100% free". and the SC also says that non-free is not part of debian |
| 23:15.05 | dutchfish | petemc, i surely will try that... thx again |
| 23:15.29 | stew | it says remain, not renaim though |
| 23:15.33 | Random | if i deleted /dev/sda0 by mistake |
| 23:15.37 | Random | can i get it back? |
| 23:15.56 | abrotman | argh .. fucking rain |
| 23:16.04 | stew | Random: do you run udev? |
| 23:16.09 | Random | yes |
| 23:16.35 | stew | Random: restart udev. is /dev/sda0 something that you configured udev to create for you? in general they would start with /dev/sda1 |
| 23:16.47 | Random | ok |
| 23:16.50 | Random | i have sda1 |
| 23:16.56 | Random | i sorry |
| 23:17.50 | Random | still can't pmount though :-( |
| 23:18.13 | stew | Random: are you in the plugdev group? |
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| 23:18.36 | Random | no ... |
| 23:18.47 | Cooner750 | How well will Debian run on a 1.5Ghz P4 with 384MB RAM and Gnome (the 384MB RAM is what I |
| 23:18.51 | Cooner750 | 'm worried about |
| 23:19.03 | Cooner750 | ? |
| 23:19.07 | abrotman | Cooner750: should be fine |
| 23:19.19 | jelly | stew: ah yes, so glibc-doc-reference was already removed from Debian. That kind of sucks. ;-) |
| 23:19.21 | Cooner750 | I just installed a 7200 RPM drive in place of the old 5400 |
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| 23:19.57 | mhall | Cooner750: 256-512 is usually sufficient if you are patient, have reasonable graphics tweaks enabled/disabled, and don't do anything insane |
| 23:19.57 | stew | jelly: please write the authors and encourage them to dual license it under the GPL |
| 23:20.03 | tziku` | hello, i need a web-mail can somebody tell me a name ? |
| 23:20.17 | abrotman | horde? squirrelmail? |
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| 23:20.19 | mhall | Cooner750: it could potentially run quicker if you happen to find some spare money for a ram upgrade but not a whole ton faster |
| 23:20.22 | Cooner750 | I'd guess Xfce will run better, but how do I install the latest version of Xfce? |
| 23:20.25 | stew | jelly: or to remove the invariant sections |
| 23:20.25 | tziku` | thanks abrotman |
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| 23:20.40 | mhall | Cooner750: from the sound of it the machine might have rambus so it might not be pratical to upgrade |
| 23:20.42 | abrotman | stew: is it even raining there? |
| 23:20.54 | mhall | Cooner750: gnome should be alright |
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| 23:21.10 | Cooner750 | I actually do have a stick of 256 to replace the current 128 it has in it, along with another 256, to make it 512. I just cant physically get to where the memory is right now |
| 23:21.15 | mhall | Cooner750: i run KDE on 256 here at work using an old workstation i recovered from a dumpster |
| 23:21.28 | mhall | Cooner750: just install it and use it until you get hold of the ram |
| 23:21.29 | stew | abrotman: all day for two days now |
| 23:21.34 | mhall | Cooner750: it won't really hurt anything |
| 23:21.43 | abrotman | stew: it stopped here earlier .. i thought it would be early enough to not call the game |
| 23:21.59 | mhall | Cooner750: unix has been used on far far far scarier equipment than yours |
| 23:22.01 | stew | abrotman: that's not true, it miraculously didn't rain for the 3 hours I had to work at my CSA yesterday |
| 23:22.05 | Cooner750 | the 7200 rpm drive should help, I've noticed speed improvements with that in the past before |
| 23:22.13 | abrotman | stew: hehe |
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| 23:22.51 | stew | abrotman: but its good, we are praying for rain these days, the contractors we have working for us that have ripped all of the floors out of our first floor only work for us on rainy days and weekends |
| 23:22.56 | stew | abrotman: and we want our floors back |
| 23:23.09 | abrotman | stew: they only work rainy days? |
| 23:23.30 | jetscreamer | moonlighting i guess |
| 23:23.30 | abrotman | stew: floors are good .. i bet the dog would like them back too ;) |
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| 23:23.42 | Cooner750 | Burning the image |
| 23:23.46 | Cooner750 | at 32x |
| 23:23.47 | stew | abrotman: no, we are just batting cleanup right now, and most of their other jobs are roofing and outdoor jobs |
| 23:23.52 | roby | I have a MacOS file that has icon images in it, how can I extract? See: http://sial.org/pbot/19711 |
| 23:23.58 | Random | ps pmount works better with device plugged in |
| 23:24.05 | abrotman | stew: ah .. yeah .. that makes sense .. |
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| 23:24.31 | abrotman | stew: that's why you get interior work done in the winter! |
| 23:25.09 | stew | abrotman: if you had seen what that floor looked like before, you would want to get it started as soon as possible as well |
| 23:25.48 | abrotman | stew: you're the one that bought the place! |
| 23:26.23 | stew | abrotman: i did no such thing. i'm just an IT engineer and workhorse for my wife that bought the place |
| 23:26.31 | stew | i'm like one level up from the contractors |
| 23:26.32 | mhall | no wonder stew seems scatterbrained |
| 23:26.33 | abrotman | stew: you're a whore! |
| 23:26.38 | mhall | he's remodeling and married |
| 23:26.44 | stew | yeah |
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| 23:26.57 | mhall | stew: you poor bastard |
| 23:27.05 | simonrvn | stew: aah, so you figured it out eh? :) |
| 23:27.08 | abrotman | stew: what does the wife do? boss contractors around all day? |
| 23:27.18 | stew | mhall: i even had "which of these fabric swatches do you like" today |
| 23:27.32 | jelly | stew: eh, but I can see the author's point in placing some of those restrictions. I'd have preferred if there was a way to consider a different set of rules for inclusion of documentation into Debian than for software. I guess this was all mulled over though, so I'll just shut up and maybe read some archives. |
| 23:28.07 | Cooner750 | time to go install, hopefully it will work, the CD drive is on it's way to being dead |
| 23:28.28 | abrotman | stew: did you pick the 'right' one ? |
| 23:28.31 | stew | jelly: the difference is that debian considers the documentation software and fsf doesn't, this is all going through the ringer again (what is software) with the newer arguments about "is firmware software?" |
| 23:28.49 | stew | abrotman: no, she bosses me around all day |
| 23:28.55 | abrotman | hehe |
| 23:28.58 | stew | and writes more code than i do while doing it |
| 23:29.05 | stew | and no i didn't pick the right one |
| 23:29.11 | abrotman | stew: eh .. maybe cause you're on IRC all day :) |
| 23:29.32 | stew | and she makes me do all the nasty sysadmin work we get |
| 23:29.46 | stew | she's on irc all day too, just not here |
| 23:29.50 | abrotman | oh ... |
| 23:29.54 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:29.57 | petemc | those pesky developers |
| 23:30.07 | abrotman | stew: you mean she's active on another network ? |
| 23:30.11 | stew | yeah |
| 23:30.17 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 23:30.31 | abrotman | she just comes here for the baseball talk :) |
| 23:30.32 | stew | but while we're bitching about udev she's saying, "OMG did you see what ____ was wearing last night!" |
| 23:30.37 | stew | and that |
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| 23:31.05 | dan2 | asg: yo! |
| 23:31.08 | abrotman | we being? |
| 23:31.12 | dan2 | abrotman: yo! |
| 23:31.14 | abrotman | hi dan2 |
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| 23:31.55 | simonrvn | pulled pork? |
| 23:32.12 | simonrvn | is that where you tear a pig into little bits? |
| 23:32.28 | dan2 | simonrvn: ever have barbeque before? |
| 23:32.37 | simonrvn | yeh... |
| 23:32.40 | dan2 | samething |
| 23:32.53 | dan2 | bbq pork that is |
| 23:33.00 | simonrvn | i usually have moose and bison and deer though ;p |
| 23:33.20 | dan2 | abrotman: pick me up a pint of beer too |
| 23:33.28 | abrotman | dan2: i think i'm going tomorrow night :) |
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| 23:34.51 | dan2 | abrotman: I made chicken tonight here |
| 23:34.52 | simonrvn | ffs, i swear this mirror is saturated, i get ~70 KB/s from it... |
| 23:34.57 | dan2 | ouch |
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| 23:35.03 | abrotman | dan2: i'll get beer! |
| 23:35.10 | stew | get me some |
| 23:35.19 | dan2 | I usually swap mirrors if I can't get at least 800kbytes per sec |
| 23:35.23 | simonrvn | !beer stew |
| 23:35.43 | ryan` | simonrvn, bah. If I still had DSL, I'd have to deal with things topping out at 40KB/sec |
| 23:35.43 | dan2 | abrotman: nothing quite like good micro brew |
| 23:35.51 | stew | i actually need the real thing |
| 23:35.56 | abrotman | stew: you can go there! .. it's only in phoenixville :) |
| 23:36.07 | stew | and the corner store at the new apartment isnt' allowed to sell beer |
| 23:36.17 | stew | which means i have to walk 4 blocks to get beer now |
| 23:36.21 | abrotman | stew: some weekend you go to bucks .. we'll have to meet at iron hill or drafting room |
| 23:36.23 | stew | what is this world coming to |
| 23:36.25 | simonrvn | my conn. *is* dsl |
| 23:36.29 | abrotman | stew: send the wife? :) |
| 23:36.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: and get slapped |
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| 23:36.56 | abrotman | i don't think she'd do that .. |
| 23:37.01 | sputnik | where is the right place to put something that i want run at boot? |
| 23:37.18 | petemc | im 20 mins from my nearest alcohol distributor |
| 23:37.37 | petemc | sub optimal |
| 23:37.37 | abrotman | petemc: i thought you had guiness on tap :) |
| 23:37.39 | stew | sputnik: make an init script for it, use /etc/init.d/skeleton as a starting point, read /etc/init.d/README and maybe /msg dpkg rc.local |
| 23:37.39 | petemc | i buy it in bulk :) |
| 23:37.41 | cydork | sputnik, /etc/init.d/, |
| 23:37.43 | simonrvn | 20 m is too long, the buzz would start wearing off ;p |
| 23:37.52 | sputnik | stew: cool, thanks |
| 23:38.00 | stew | as soon as i actually have a kitchen again i start brewing beer |
| 23:38.17 | sputnik | heh. i just bought a house. |
| 23:38.22 | sputnik | basement will become a brewery |
| 23:38.52 | simonrvn | s,brewery,grow op, |
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| 23:39.12 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 23:39.24 | sputnik | nah, they confiscate your stuff for that |
| 23:39.27 | sputnik | not worth it |
| 23:39.45 | stew | where "your stuff" includes "your house" |
| 23:39.51 | sputnik | yeah |
| 23:40.03 | xorl | :) |
| 23:40.15 | simonrvn | and that's the fucked part, when you drink and drive, it's fricking dangerous, and when you smoke and drive, you go slower. and they say the pot is more dangerous. *sigh* |
| 23:40.17 | sputnik | hm, ok, so i already had my little script written up and in /etc/init.d |
| 23:40.32 | abrotman | simonrvn: not everyone drives slower .. |
| 23:40.37 | sputnik | i just put a symlink to it from /etc/rcX.d ? |
| 23:40.38 | simonrvn | some do |
| 23:40.44 | sputnik | i dunno |
| 23:40.58 | sputnik | i've never gotten my ass kicked by an angry pothead |
| 23:41.00 | simonrvn | *shrug*. that's not my point though. |
| 23:41.06 | sputnik | but i've gotten a pummeling from an angry drunk |
| 23:41.14 | simonrvn | that's my point |
| 23:41.44 | simonrvn | "deep thoughts, by jim handy" |
| 23:41.45 | sputnik | alcohol can be pretty bad |
| 23:41.54 | sputnik | pot, not so much |
| 23:41.59 | abrotman | simonrvn: so do some drunk people |
| 23:42.11 | Kerr | simonrvn: smoking and driving slows your reactions; on the road that is dangerous. What if a drunk jumps the lights on you? |
| 23:42.26 | simonrvn | double whammie |
| 23:42.36 | simonrvn | s,wh,bl, |
| 23:42.42 | abrotman | hehe |
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| 23:43.49 | sputnik | when are modules loaded from /etc/modules? |
| 23:44.01 | aubergine | Hi, can anyone help me installing a SATA Disk on my server? |
| 23:44.06 | simonrvn | at boot |
| 23:44.13 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 23:44.15 | sputnik | when, though? |
| 23:44.16 | abrotman | !prize simonrvn |
| 23:44.21 | wols_ | sputnik: look in your /etc/rc2.d/ (or rc.S |
| 23:44.28 | simonrvn | rc 1 |
| 23:44.34 | simonrvn | aka S |
| 23:44.38 | sputnik | aha, module-init-tools |
| 23:44.44 | simonrvn | yes |
| 23:45.05 | stew | sputnik: /etc/rcS.d/ |
| 23:45.22 | sputnik | what is run level S? |
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| 23:45.25 | sputnik | startup? |
| 23:45.31 | simonrvn | single |
| 23:45.51 | simonrvn | man runlevel |
| 23:45.52 | sputnik | so when the system boots, it goes to runlevel S |
| 23:45.57 | sputnik | then changes to 2? |
| 23:46.00 | simonrvn | er, no, not that |
| 23:46.09 | simonrvn | sec, i'll find you the right one |
| 23:46.38 | sputnik | man init explains it well enough |
| 23:46.47 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 23:46.56 | sputnik | runlevel S is system initialization |
| 23:46.59 | wols_ | aubergine: from the info you gave us, you were already told what to do |
| 23:47.17 | sputnik | hm, so i should put it in runlevel S |
| 23:49.23 | sputnik | now for a reboot to see if it works the way i expect it to |
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| 23:51.43 | anabain | http://paste.debian.net/13020 does anybody know what's this; it's from dmesg on PC1 connected to a PC2 through eth devices, PC2's one not working properly (forcedeth driver, link up /link down messages when ifconfig eth1 up)? |
| 23:52.54 | abrotman | again? |
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| 23:56.02 | anabain | abrotman, you're talking to me? |
| 23:56.03 | wols_ | anabain: first think, _then_ talk |
| 23:56.24 | abrotman | anabain: didn't you ask the same thing .. hours ago ? |
| 23:56.33 | anabain | not exactly |
| 23:56.51 | anabain | I'm still investigating the issue, and this was new info |
| 23:57.04 | anabain | I don't understand why are you bothering... |
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| 23:58.32 | abrotman | did you try another cable ? |
| 23:59.10 | anabain | No, I haven't got another cable, and this cable works with a realtek card on the same computer |
| 23:59.18 | dendrite | ... Nothing like a dodgy ethernet cable to waste a couple of hours of troubleshooting time... |
| 23:59.37 | abrotman | then use the realtek card? |
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| 23:59.40 | anabain | but I posted the message because it seems as if it was the cable |
