| 00:00.05 | Lou80 | sid thanks mate lots of stuff downloading now... |
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| 00:00.21 | dvs | Cooner750: works for me |
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| 00:00.34 | jbalint | anybody had trouble with etch beta 3 and vmware? i keep getting random freezes using 100% cpu, cant even finish the installer |
| 00:00.59 | Cooner750 | dvs: What's your line for it in sources.list? |
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| 00:01.11 | sid | Lou80: You'll be using debian unstable when that's all done. |
| 00:01.12 | dvs | Cooner750: deb http://security.debian.org testing/updates main contrib non-free |
| 00:01.16 | Lou80 | sid i still have my 2.7.17 kernel_image.deb file, will i be able to install that through chrrot |
| 00:01.28 | pourriture | Lou80: take a look at /etc/apt/sources.list now ... after what sid told you alll stable references are gone |
| 00:01.28 | Caelum | jbalint: I'd recommend trying colinux if you're using vmware in windows |
| 00:01.36 | EnsignRedshirt | Is there any reason I shouldn't put a external USB hard drive in fstab? |
| 00:01.36 | sid | Lou80: You can install it yes. |
| 00:01.58 | jbalint | Caelum: is it simple to recompile and modify the kernel? |
| 00:02.01 | enouf | Lou80: curiously, are you doing this as a chroot? or were you ale to boot to runlevel1, or IOW - did you manage to copy over a kernel image |
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| 00:02.24 | enouf | Lou80: ahh .. I see |
| 00:02.25 | Lou80 | everything in chroot |
| 00:02.26 | Caelum | EnsignRedshirt: no reason, if it's not there it just won't mount it |
| 00:02.34 | enouf | Lou80: :-) |
| 00:02.42 | Caelum | jbalint: there's really no reason to |
| 00:02.51 | Cooner750 | How can I mount my windows NTFS partition as read only? |
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| 00:03.14 | ftp3 | dev52: i suppose.. i mean, it is detecting my chipset, etc.. i have installed debian on a zillion 1386 machines and it did not occur to me that debian might not support sata drives on a brand name motherboard |
| 00:03.21 | jbalint | Cooner750: mount -o ro /dev/hdx /mnt |
| 00:03.32 | EnsignRedshirt | Caelum: Thanks. |
| 00:03.33 | sid | pourriture: He messed his system and has libc from unstable. He can either dist-upgrade completely, or reformat. He wants to try unstable first. You don't need security.debian* in unstable. And vlc is in unstable. So he is fine. |
| 00:03.36 | usr13 | Where does update-menus come from? (What package is a part of?) |
| 00:03.49 | ktwilight | its default. you can't write on ntfs. not stable IIRC |
| 00:03.55 | shiftless | quick question - why am i getting messages of the form "depends: (dependency > version) but lesser_version is to be installed" when attempting to install a package? |
| 00:03.58 | pourriture | Cooner750: another question might be how can I reliably mount MY ntfs partition as RW :) |
| 00:04.06 | Cooner750 | mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 00:04.10 | Caelum | you can mount NTFS rw, but it only lets you overwrite files with files of the same size |
| 00:04.22 | shiftless | i am receiving packages from debian.org, from the testing distribution |
| 00:04.44 | sid | !tell pourriture about ntfs-3g |
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| 00:05.26 | murokki | W: GPG error: http://mirror.home-dn.net etch Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 07DC563D1F41B907 <-- is this somethihng to get worried of? |
| 00:05.38 | murokki | when trying to apt-get update that's it |
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| 00:05.48 | dvs | murokki: look at the topic |
| 00:05.54 | dev52 | pourriture: ntfs is proprietary, and the only way linux has any access was by guessing in order to create the driver... you decide. how reliable can that possibly be? |
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| 00:06.27 | shiftless | a solution is to create a shared drive to store all your files |
| 00:06.38 | pourriture | dev52: that was my point ... I used to use captive and it worked well ... but is broken now ... |
| 00:06.51 | shiftless | on my local network, i have a separate little 350mhz dell running as an NFS and samba server |
| 00:06.54 | Lou80 | sid et al, is it safe to compile a new kernel in a chroot? |
| 00:06.56 | Caelum | it's too bad XP won't install on ext3 or reiser :P |
| 00:07.33 | Verdin | Is ext3 "better" than NTFS? |
| 00:07.33 | dev52 | MS can look at linux's ntfs code and know to change in their driver one little piece and bam, linux compatibility goes away until they guess again |
| 00:07.36 | pourriture | dev52: and I have no need for NTFS except that is where my games live :) |
| 00:07.46 | shiftless | pourriture: put your games on a FAT32 partition |
| 00:07.47 | dev52 | what do you do to your games in linux? |
| 00:07.59 | Caelum | Verdin: they are very different |
| 00:08.04 | Lou80 | wine and dine them |
| 00:08.12 | Verdin | Caelum: How so? |
| 00:08.35 | shiftless | NTFS uses a master file table, for one |
| 00:08.39 | sid | Lou80: yes |
| 00:08.43 | sid | Lou80: Is it done? |
| 00:08.43 | dev52 | Verdin: ext is widely known and open, ntfs is not |
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| 00:08.45 | shiftless | whereas ext3 is inode based |
| 00:08.48 | enouf | ftp3: I don''t see many responding - have you thought about the etch installer perhaps ? (any reason you need Sarge instead?)...what about Backports.org for a newer Kerenl with better Sata support perhaps you use another HDD (ATA) temporaily, or boot from a LiveCD and try instalin as chroot or do a netinstall ? |
| 00:09.01 | Verdin | Inodes.... |
| 00:09.09 | Lou80 | thanks, 24 minutes still to go |
| 00:09.24 | Caelum | shiftless: seriously? I thought MFTs were only on fat* |
| 00:09.35 | pourriture | Ronin: what is on tap tonight? |
| 00:09.36 | shiftless | FAT != MFT |
| 00:10.15 | ftp3 | enouf: i am googling.. is there a etch iso i can get? |
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| 00:10.31 | enouf | ftp3: sure |
| 00:11.06 | dvs | ftp3: http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
| 00:11.26 | enouf | http://www.debian.org/CD/ |
| 00:11.35 | Caelum | wow, looks like there's rw ntfs support now, http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=23836054&forum_id=2697 |
| 00:11.39 | ootput | nethack for life |
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| 00:11.45 | enouf | ftp3: see dvs's reply ^^^ |
| 00:11.55 | sid | Caelum: There has been for awhile. |
| 00:12.14 | dev52 | Verdin: easy enough for you to find out... google for "define inode" |
| 00:12.23 | Verdin | dev52: I found a wiki :D |
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| 00:13.00 | ftp3 | enouf: i am quite ignorant. I have downloaded 3.1 rc2.. I do not see anything called "etch" in the cd directories |
| 00:13.08 | pourriture | I think an inode is just like an anode ... only it is in the front |
| 00:13.16 | maikol | ftp3: its known as testing |
| 00:13.20 | dev52 | ftp3: you could install that and then upgrade |
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| 00:13.37 | dev52 | 3.1 rc2 is sarge prerelease |
| 00:13.42 | Kragnerac | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:13.42 | enouf | ftp3: 3.1. rc2 is atable , not tEtch |
| 00:13.51 | enouf | Stab;e* not Etch* |
| 00:13.55 | enouf | drats |
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| 00:14.02 | dev52 | you can still use it |
| 00:14.29 | pourriture | enouf: ew udnersatnd waht ouy rae syaing |
| 00:14.29 | ftp3 | enouf, ok thank you :-) what directory is the iso for etch in? |
| 00:14.29 | enouf | dev52 : ftp3 needs special Sata support to install |
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| 00:15.25 | dev52 | ahh |
| 00:15.31 | shiftless | quick question - why am i getting messages of the form "depends: (dependency > version) but lesser_version is to be installed" when attempting to install a package? |
| 00:16.02 | Caelum | is there a sid netinst image somewhere? |
| 00:16.07 | dev52 | shiftless: you're installing packages for a version of debian other than the one you're running? |
| 00:16.10 | azeem | shiftless: because one of the depends is not available in the appropriate version |
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| 00:16.20 | enouf | ftp3: http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/ |
| 00:16.25 | sid | Caelum: There is no sid net install. |
| 00:16.28 | shiftless | what defines which version i'm "running" |
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| 00:16.43 | Caelum | sid: ok, thanks |
| 00:16.44 | xored | how to activate my mike in alsa |
| 00:16.44 | Guerin | Caelum: you don't want sid, install etch beta |
| 00:16.45 | ftp3 | thank you enouf |
| 00:16.47 | dev52 | shiftless: /etc/debian_version |
| 00:16.48 | sid | shiftless: What version of libc you have. shiftless or cat /etc/debian_version |
| 00:16.49 | Guerin | the gui even works! |
| 00:17.00 | shiftless | 3.1 |
| 00:17.04 | dev52 | sarge |
| 00:17.19 | sid | shiftless: You're running Debian stable it would appear. |
| 00:17.19 | sid | also known as sarge |
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| 00:17.21 | sid | !sarge |
| 00:17.21 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 00:17.35 | shiftless | well, i am wanting to use 'testing' |
| 00:17.40 | Kragnerac | !compiz |
| 00:17.41 | dpkg | hmm... compiz is probably a combined window manager / composite manager that uses OpenGL for rendering. Currently, it is only working correctly if run on Xgl. |
| 00:18.02 | dev52 | shiftless: then you can upgrade to it |
| 00:18.03 | Caelum | Guerin: I see it, thank you |
| 00:18.08 | Kragnerac | !aiglx |
| 00:18.08 | dpkg | [aiglx] an open source project founded by the X.Org Foundation and the Fedora Core Linux community to allow accelerated indirect GLX rendering capabilities to X.org and DRI drivers. This allows remote X clients to get fully hardware accelerated rendering over the GLX protocol. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/RenderingProject/aiglx |
| 00:18.11 | shiftless | here is the source i have in my sources list: |
| 00:18.18 | shiftless | ftp.debian.org, testing, main and contrib |
| 00:18.47 | dev52 | could you show the exact line |
| 00:18.53 | Guerin | shiftless: that's not a sources/list entry |
| 00:18.53 | dev52 | exact text |
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| 00:18.58 | enouf | ftp3: It might make snse for you to find out which Sata controller you have so you're sure you can load the driver (and be sure the installer has it) .. before even d/l and burning the CD(s) -- also see 'netinstall' but see this for some SATA info http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 00:18.59 | shiftless | deb ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian testing main contrib |
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| 00:19.12 | pourriture | shiftless: vi /etc/apt/sources.list .... :%s/sarge/etch/g ... :%s/stable/testing/g |
| 00:19.14 | shiftless | guerin: it is if you're typing shorthand |
| 00:19.18 | dev52 | ok, try apt-get update |
| 00:19.25 | shiftless | i already did that |
| 00:19.45 | pourriture | and apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrage |
| 00:19.48 | sid | shiftless: apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 00:19.48 | dev52 | shiftless: which is useless for determining if you have it correct |
| 00:19.54 | pourriture | upgarageaard |
| 00:19.56 | dev52 | shiftless: any errors? |
| 00:19.58 | pourriture | upgrade |
| 00:19.58 | ftp3 | enouf, when rc2 is starting it says "loading drives for via chipset sata raid blah blah"... |
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| 00:20.12 | sid | shiftless: http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/PyLbr735.html |
| 00:20.15 | shiftless | fuck its wanting to fetch 30 meg of archives |
| 00:20.18 | ftp3 | enouf, do i need to download ALL of those cds? there are like 15 |
| 00:20.22 | shiftless | no way |
| 00:20.22 | dvs | ftp3: don't use rc2, it's a prerelease |
| 00:20.37 | shiftless | The following packages will be upgraded: |
| 00:20.38 | shiftless | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.38 | shiftless | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:20.38 | shiftless | <PROTECTED> |
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| 00:20.40 | RichiH | ftp3: no, you don't |
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| 00:20.49 | dev52 | shiftless: and you're on a modem? |
| 00:20.49 | enouf | ftp3: If you read that URL - more info can be found -- but Review your Mobo manual for info about the controller -or Boot into a recent LiveCD and see using 'lspci' or whatever |
| 00:20.55 | shiftless | dev: yes |
| 00:20.58 | dvs | ftp3: If you have a fast internet connection, all you need is the netinst |
| 00:21.01 | RichiH | shiftless: an important lession, you just learned |
| 00:21.03 | dev52 | you want to paste, please use a pastebin |
| 00:21.26 | dev52 | well |
| 00:21.28 | ftp3 | dvs: I tried netinstall first, but it will not detect my sata drives, so it does not install anything |
| 00:21.41 | dvs | ftp3: With etch? |
| 00:21.41 | shiftless | fuck upgrading the distribution, all i want to do is install 3 packages |
| 00:21.47 | RichiH | dev52: heh, that sentence just reminded of the times before pastebins |
| 00:21.47 | enouf | dvs: ftp3 : ahh it's 3.1r2 that's Sarge ... not 3.1rc2 .. is that correct ? |
| 00:21.50 | shiftless | now why the hell is it saying it cant get the 5 dependencies it needs |
| 00:21.53 | RichiH | dev52: with #flood and the like.. |
| 00:22.24 | dev52 | you could do the download (apt-get -d dist-upgrade) while you sleep and then run it again without the -d when you wake up |
| 00:22.27 | stew | shiftless: have you run "apt-get update" recently? |
| 00:22.35 | RichiH | shiftless: not that excessive swearing will get you there faster ;) |
| 00:22.38 | shiftless | dev: i need these packages to be installing right now |
| 00:22.58 | ftp3 | enouf, I tried 3.1 rc1 (debian-31r1a-i386-netinst.iso) FIRST, it does not see my drives |
| 00:23.08 | dev52 | so if I tell you that's not possible without them being local, then what? |
| 00:23.09 | shiftless | i dont care about upgrading the distribution, i just want to fetch the latest (testing) versions of three packages and any direct dependencies of them |
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| 00:23.28 | stew | shiftless: apt-get update && apt-get install pacakge1 pacakge2 package3 |
| 00:23.29 | dev52 | that would be mixing versions |
| 00:23.42 | dev52 | which might work |
| 00:23.44 | shiftless | stew: look please read what ive already typed so i dont have to type it 5 times |
| 00:23.45 | ftp3 | enouf, then i downloaded "debian-31r2-i386-netinst.iso" same problem |
| 00:23.48 | stew | shiftless: wait, are you trying to install testing pacakges onto stable? |
| 00:23.55 | shiftless | yes |
| 00:24.00 | Lou80 | :-) |
| 00:24.00 | RichiH | good luck :p |
| 00:24.06 | enouf | ftp3 : Ok - understood -- but still all those are Sarge based and not Testing/Etch - you'll want testing / etch =OR= you can try a backports kernel =or= compile the driver into the Sarge kernel |
| 00:24.11 | RichiH | shiftless: backports |
| 00:24.11 | dev52 | use a backport instead |
| 00:24.12 | stew | shiftless: don't do that |
| 00:24.12 | dev52 | it |
| 00:24.27 | dvs | ftp3: try debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 00:24.30 | dev52 | will be likely less downloading and it might work :) |
| 00:24.34 | shiftless | whats wrong with doing that? |
| 00:24.38 | ftp3 | enouf, ok, i am downloading the first etch cd.. how many of them do I need to get? I prefer to install from the net as I have a fast home connection |
| 00:24.53 | RichiH | shiftless: it is a nice way of breaking your system |
| 00:24.56 | dev52 | shiftless: you'll be pulled toward etch |
| 00:25.03 | RichiH | shiftless: not now, not tomorrow, but some day, you will |
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| 00:25.08 | dev52 | but maybe not all the way |
| 00:25.08 | enouf | ftp3 : just CD1 should be fine - then update and upgrade and Instal other pkgs from the net |
| 00:25.12 | dev52 | and that will break |
| 00:25.16 | RichiH | indeed |
| 00:25.25 | ftp3 | enouf, thanks |
| 00:25.30 | enouf | :-) |
| 00:25.31 | stew | shiftless: testing packages are compiled aginast libraries which are often not compatible with the libraries in stable, you'll. run a stable/testing mix is not supported |
| 00:25.37 | ftp3 | dvs, and everyone else, thanks :-) going to try all that now |
| 00:25.42 | shiftless | oh lord |
| 00:25.46 | stew | ^run^running |
| 00:25.47 | dev52 | shiftless: take a look at backports.org |
| 00:25.48 | shiftless | sometimes i think i shoulda stuck with windows |
| 00:25.59 | stew | !backports |
| 00:25.59 | dpkg | i heard backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
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| 00:26.08 | RichiH | shiftless: you have been told about backports several times now |
| 00:26.18 | RichiH | shiftless: either you want to get help or you want to soapbox |
| 00:26.21 | shiftless | richi: really? i didnt see any of those several times |
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| 00:26.28 | shiftless | richi: i'd like to talk, if that's allowed in here? |
| 00:26.31 | RichiH | 02:23:49 < RichiH> shiftless: backports |
| 00:26.31 | enouf | ftp3: it would really really benefit you to find out as much as you can about your specific Satat controller |
| 00:26.33 | RichiH | 02:23:50 < dev52> use a backport instead |
| 00:26.37 | enouf | Sata* |
| 00:26.44 | shiftless | apparently sarcasm is lost upon you |
| 00:26.51 | RichiH | 02:25:25 < dev52> shiftless: take a look at backports.org |
| 00:27.08 | Caelum | can I install the base system using http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/weekly-builds/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso ? |
| 00:27.09 | RichiH | and the lastest by dpkg by stew, of course |
| 00:27.13 | dev52 | shiftless: sarcasm doesn't communicate well over a text-only medium |
| 00:27.14 | azeem | shiftless: using sarcasm on tech support is rarely working, if you want to have things fixed |
| 00:27.21 | sid | shiftless: backports was said 7 times directed at you in the last 5 minutes |
| 00:27.30 | RichiH | dev52: at least not unless you know the person well |
| 00:27.37 | shiftless | sid: are you serious? i totally did not notice my flashing xchat window. |
| 00:27.50 | shiftless | ^ is that more obvious? ;) |
| 00:28.14 | RichiH | not without any kind of smarticons not, no |
| 00:28.16 | stew | shiftless: what packages are you wanting newer versions of? |
| 00:28.33 | shiftless | stew: i'm not |
| 00:28.39 | shiftless | i'm going back to stable |
| 00:28.49 | Guerin | haha |
| 00:28.51 | dev52 | shiftless: so where does that leave us... you wanting to express to here sarcastically and that not getting you anywhere toward what you want |
| 00:29.04 | shiftless | the applications i was attempting to install were apache2, php5-cgi, and mysql-server |
| 00:29.13 | dev52 | in short, a waste of resources |
| 00:29.22 | shiftless | dev: no, but i bet the "apt-get upgrade" with a new "stable" package source probably isa |
| 00:29.23 | stew | shiftless: you could install those from backports.org: "/msg dpkg bpo" for instructions on setting that up |
| 00:29.28 | shiftless | wouldnt you think |
| 00:29.31 | dev52 | php and mysql... two real winners |
| 00:29.34 | shiftless | which i am currently running as i speak |
| 00:29.50 | dev52 | (ok, did you get the sarcasm in my last post? :P ) |
| 00:29.52 | shiftless | dev: this is a tech support channel, please stop wasting your resources |
| 00:30.03 | shiftless | lol |
| 00:30.15 | Guerin | shiftless: please stop wasting OUR resources |
| 00:30.22 | RichiH | shiftless: not to start a whole new line of discussion, but unless you have huge, flat tables with next to no foreign keys, i would switch to postgresql in the long run.. |
| 00:30.34 | shiftless | guerin: i'm sorry, but i dont have control over your keyboard |
| 00:30.59 | shiftless | richi: i understand that postgresql is superior and all, but these databases are not very large or complex |
| 00:31.03 | stew | can we please try to keep this constructive? |
| 00:31.07 | Guerin | shiftless: which is why I'm asking you to stop drooling into yours for a moment and either tell us what you need, or fuck off |
| 00:31.12 | dev52 | shiftless: maybe pg is a little slower, but that's because it's actually keeping your data stable |
| 00:31.13 | shiftless | a very small oscommerce site and a very, very small regular web site with a few things stored in the database |
| 00:31.14 | stew | Guerin: please just drop it |
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| 00:31.33 | erpo | I need a linux-based graphical spectrum analyzer. I want it to take input from my ALSA sound card's attached microphone. (OSS works too if necessary) Any suggestions? |
| 00:32.48 | shiftless | guerin: what i need is for you to mind your own business, i already got plenty of help 6 hours ago, already made a decision and am already executing it while i talk. any other questions? |
| 00:32.48 | dev52 | erpo: #lad #alsa |
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| 00:32.49 | bwlang | is is possible to have a certificate signed by multiple authorities? |
| 00:32.49 | stew | shiftless: stop. if you have a question, ask it. otherwise just drop it, use /ignore if you have to |
| 00:32.50 | sid | !tell erpo about audacity |
| 00:32.51 | bwlang | (eg - my own in addition to cacert.org) |
| 00:32.53 | shiftless | dev: like i said, i understand that PG is a superior DB, but i doubt it will have any significant advantages in this scenario |
| 00:33.02 | erpo | Thanks. |
| 00:33.16 | RichiH | Guerin, shiftless: one is not quite fast in getting where he wants and needs to tell lots of people about it, the other goes into direct assault on the first. you pick who you are, but please just let it slide and ignore each other. it will make the channel nicer for the rest of us, and you, too |
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| 00:33.29 | dan2 | asg, you better be here |
| 00:33.29 | sid | bwlang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_certificate |
| 00:33.38 | RichiH | asg! |
| 00:33.40 | RichiH | oioi |
| 00:33.51 | dev52 | shiftless: that may be true insofar as it applies to particular dev/web tools you're using |
| 00:33.52 | dan2 | hey RichiH |
| 00:33.54 | dan2 | !seen asg |
| 00:33.55 | dpkg | asg is currently on #debian, last said: 'murokki: if you didn't, the client never connected to that port on that server'. |
| 00:33.59 | RichiH | hmm, bad reflex :/ |
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| 00:34.04 | dan2 | where is asg |
| 00:34.09 | dan2 | asg are you at the pub? |
| 00:34.16 | Guerin | azeem: in north carolina somewhere, i think |
| 00:34.18 | Guerin | bah |
| 00:34.20 | Guerin | asg: |
| 00:34.26 | dan2 | guerin, no kidding |
| 00:34.31 | azeem | OMG, highlighted! |
| 00:34.38 | Guerin | azeem: sorry |
| 00:34.45 | dan2 | !lart Guerin |
| 00:34.46 | Guerin | apple interference with keystroke |
| 00:34.55 | Guerin | not the jobsian kind, either |
| 00:35.04 | dan2 | !beta3smite Guerin |
| 00:35.10 | RichiH | Guerin: the newtonian? |
| 00:35.12 | dan2 | don't tell me I lost my smite |
| 00:35.15 | RichiH | and yes, pun intended |
| 00:35.17 | dev52 | !barbiesmite |
| 00:35.18 | Guerin | RichiH: verily. |
| 00:35.19 | dan2 | !dan2smite Guerin |
| 00:35.22 | dan2 | damn |
| 00:35.26 | dan2 | I lost the smiting power |
| 00:35.31 | dev52 | there's no barbiesmite yet??! |
| 00:35.32 | Guerin | dan2: you have been expunged! |
| 00:35.33 | sid | Are you able to buy a mac laptop and then return the OS X softwares(all of it) for a cash refund? |
| 00:35.35 | dan2 | !fruitsmite Guerin |
| 00:35.43 | RichiH | !vegesmite azeem |
| 00:35.44 | Guerin | shiftless: don't you wish. |
| 00:35.46 | sid | Like you can buy an oem windows box and return windows xp for cash |
| 00:35.47 | Guerin | FUCK |
| 00:35.54 | RichiH | hmm, we need that factoid, clearly |
| 00:36.06 | dan2 | !vegiesmite RichiH |
| 00:36.09 | dan2 | hmm |
| 00:36.12 | shiftless | tab key blues got you down? lol |
| 00:36.16 | azeem | this factoid removal brought to you by the *smit-removal campaign |
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| 00:36.27 | Guerin | just my regular tab-key handicap |
| 00:36.28 | azeem | s/smit/simte/, damn |
| 00:36.32 | Lou80 | sid, that's it finished should i just install my .deb as normal |
| 00:36.43 | dev52 | smptesmite?? |
| 00:36.48 | shiftless | azeem: simte? |
| 00:37.08 | shiftless | i thought you meant "smut" |
| 00:37.09 | dvs | heh |
| 00:37.11 | Guerin | it's not filling |
| 00:37.13 | bwlang | sid: i guess it is - do you know how to add a second signature? when i try to bring it in to openssl req it just says Expecting: CERTIFICATE REQUEST |
| 00:37.18 | sid | !abuse |
| 00:37.18 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 00:37.18 | Guerin | solenoids are fine, valves seem ok |
| 00:37.32 | Guerin | only other thing i can think of is the water level switch |
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| 00:37.38 | sid | Lou80: yep |
| 00:37.39 | dvs | What about the whatchamacallit? |
| 00:37.53 | enouf | Guerin: wheres all the water going then ..? |
| 00:37.56 | Guerin | dvs: planning on replacing the thingamywhoojit if that doesn't work |
| 00:38.05 | ozatomic | hey guys, i jsut apt-get installed pure-ftpd-mysql and when installing i selected inetd, but now i want to change that how can i make the config screen come back up ? |
| 00:38.12 | shiftless | WTF |
| 00:38.12 | shiftless | why is php5-cgi not available from ftp.debian.org stable? |
| 00:38.14 | Guerin | enouf: it just stays in the tap, because the valve never opens. |
| 00:38.26 | dev52 | shiftless: it might be at backports.org |
| 00:38.26 | Guerin | shiftless: because it wasn't usable when sarge was released. |
| 00:38.41 | shiftless | when was that, 1978? haha |
| 00:38.45 | enouf | Guerin: change the valve? you say they 'seem' ok |
| 00:38.47 | dev52 | seriously, take a look there |
| 00:38.48 | Guerin | ozatomic: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 00:39.03 | stew | shiftless: sarge started freezing late in 2004 |
| 00:39.11 | Guerin | enouf: right, the key is that it works SOMETIMES. Before I replace any parts I'm going to test them. |
| 00:39.12 | ozatomic | ccs:/etc/pure-ftpd# dpkg-reconfigure pure-ftpd-mysql |
| 00:39.13 | ozatomic | Stopping ftp server: pure-ftpd. |
| 00:39.16 | ozatomic | thats all it does |
| 00:39.19 | sid | shiftless: Do you even know how Debian stable works? |
| 00:39.20 | ozatomic | no blue screen to select |
| 00:39.39 | dev52 | shiftless: debian freezes are particularly cold... new stuff Just Does Not Get In |
| 00:39.42 | shiftless | sid: yes, i'm a total expert on everything there is to know about debian. (aren't you?) |
| 00:39.43 | Guerin | ozatomic: then you'll need to edit the configmfile |
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| 00:39.49 | enouf | Guerin: okie 0 I mean just swapping them out like hardware - for testing atleast |
| 00:40.02 | azeem | shiftless: there's a backport of php5 |
| 00:40.03 | ozatomic | Guerin, which file? |
| 00:40.06 | azeem | *rimshot* |
| 00:40.08 | Guerin | enouf: because i have a lot of spare washing machine parts lying about |
| 00:40.17 | shiftless | azeem: i am looking for it |
| 00:40.22 | Guerin | ozatomic: the config file, in /etc/ someplace |
| 00:40.29 | enouf | Guerin: I see <sarcasm detected> :-p |
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| 00:40.44 | dev52 | shiftless: once released, a debian dist -never- gets new features which are available "officially" |
| 00:41.13 | dev52 | so how would one get new stuff? there are backports, and there is your ability to build stuff yourself |
| 00:41.38 | dev52 | debian is -stellar- in its care for the build tools |
| 00:41.58 | Lou80 | sid http://pastebin.ca/148271 |
| 00:41.58 | Guerin | <sly>Stella!</sly> |
| 00:42.16 | dev52 | by starlight? |
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| 00:42.24 | shiftless | what the fuck is going on here |
| 00:42.31 | stew | Lou80: you need to install either initramfs-tools or yaird |
| 00:42.31 | shiftless | 95% of the pages on backports.org dont work |
| 00:42.33 | beu | hi! |
| 00:42.35 | shiftless | "this topic does not exist yet" |
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| 00:42.43 | stew | shiftless: what do you mean by "don't work"? |
| 00:42.48 | dvs | *gasp* |
| 00:43.02 | shiftless | stew: do not exist |
| 00:43.02 | Lou80 | stew thanks |
| 00:43.06 | dev52 | you misheard me... I said stellar! |
| 00:43.13 | Guerin | shiftless: compein to the menagement. |
| 00:43.14 | stew | shiftless: what makes you say that? |
| 00:43.17 | Guerin | and complain, too |
| 00:43.23 | azeem | stew: it's partly true |
| 00:43.31 | stew | azeem: oh is bpo borked? |
| 00:43.33 | shiftless | stew: the fact that i have a huge "This topic does not exist yet" message on my screen every time i click on a menu entry |
| 00:43.36 | azeem | the `packages' link is 404 |
| 00:43.58 | shiftless | and the FAQ, and the HOWTO |
| 00:44.10 | stew | shiftless: http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions |
| 00:44.23 | stew | shiftless: the FAQ and thow HOWTO have never existed afaik |
| 00:44.25 | azeem | shiftless: that's hardly 95% |
| 00:44.41 | shiftless | and statistics |
| 00:44.48 | stew | shiftless: http://backports.org/debian/pool/main |
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| 00:44.57 | shiftless | hey, the feedback works |
| 00:44.59 | stew | shiftless: ^^ that is where you can find the package links |
| 00:45.08 | beardy | azeem: thanks for making me aware of topic-diff's existence |
| 00:45.19 | stew | shiftless: at least that is where you can find out what packages are available |
| 00:45.21 | dev52 | shiftless: and they use php... sad, sad |
| 00:45.25 | azeem | beardy: next year I'll tell you about screeaway |
| 00:45.26 | Lou80 | ahh, http://pastebin.ca/148275 |
| 00:45.32 | azeem | eh, screenaway |
| 00:45.43 | shiftless | dev: yes, they had a job fair at the local zoo to hire developers for the site |
| 00:45.51 | enouf | Guerin: possible high water mineral content ? munging the part? making it stick shut ? |
| 00:46.12 | Guerin | enouf: won't know until I inspect |
| 00:46.33 | Guerin | enouf: happily, i have acmehowto.com |
| 00:46.34 | Lou80 | i did what it said apt-get -f and its downloading lots |
| 00:46.47 | Lou80 | so hopefully it'll work |
| 00:46.50 | Kragnerac | Hello, does anybody know where I can find the Debian package for gset-compiz? |
| 00:47.00 | shiftless | stew: thanks |
| 00:47.19 | dev52 | http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/p/php5/ |
| 00:47.23 | stew | Kragnerac: there are no debian pacakges for compiz |
| 00:47.25 | dev52 | take a look there |
| 00:47.39 | muaddib | Is acpi neccessary for SATA based devices to work properly? |
| 00:47.50 | muaddib | Also is apic neccessary for SATA based devices to work properly? |
| 00:48.06 | enouf | Guerin: well you should know alreay whether or not your water supply is extra-rich in minerals already, from staining, etc in your basins, toilets, tub (not to turn this into the #washing machine channel) ... ahh ...yes the good -ol' Wiley Coyote manual |
| 00:48.15 | stew | muaddib: certainly not acpi |
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| 00:48.33 | beardy | azeem: I'm looking forward to it already. |
| 00:48.35 | dev52 | muaddib: you asked this 2 hours ago... let me guess... you didn't learn anything new since then, to alter what you say in your question? |
| 00:48.48 | shiftless | ok, i am downloading the backports package lists now |
| 00:49.24 | Guerin | enouf: the water here isn't, but i don't know about the water in the place i got it from ... though theoretically it should be the same upstream supply |
| 00:49.28 | dev52 | shiftless: you'll probably want to pin the stuff you want and follow the pinning instructions so you don't get every backport there |
| 00:49.28 | beardy | azeem: Yeah, it seems usable too. |
| 00:49.37 | shiftless | muaddib: another question i would add is, is ipac necessary for SATA based devices to work properly? |
| 00:49.50 | dev52 | howbout opec? |
| 00:49.53 | azeem | beardy: it's the solution for world hunger |
| 00:49.59 | stew | muaddib: and I would doubt apic is necessary, i don't even think apic is available on many uniprocessor systems |
| 00:50.02 | azeem | also, that is where my script-fu stops |
| 00:50.23 | enouf | muaddib : Not ACPI in general |
| 00:50.26 | shiftless | dev: depends on if your power is generated by an oil burning or nuclear plant |
| 00:50.49 | Lou80 | still got dependency problems http://pastebin.ca/148281 |
| 00:50.57 | enouf | muaddib : But I would eneable APIC unless it's causing some issues - What's the hardware besides a sata drive ? |
| 00:51.15 | dev52 | shiftless, you might also look at... http://backports.org/debian/pool/main/m/mysql-dfsg-5.0/ |
| 00:51.18 | shiftless | FINALLY i am downloading packages |
| 00:51.24 | shiftless | dev: what's that? |
| 00:51.50 | ozatomic | hmm, i got my pure-ftpd-mysql running now but it keeps sayign teh user password is wrong when its clearly there |
| 00:51.50 | dev52 | mysql I guess v5 |
| 00:52.00 | Lou80 | sid reckon this is a lost cause? should i run apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 00:52.02 | dev52 | I don't use it so I don't really know |
| 00:52.34 | shiftless | i dont think it is. and for some reason its not showing up in my apt-cache |
| 00:52.38 | usr13 | What is actually done when "apt-get update" command is issued? |
| 00:52.56 | dev52 | reads package lists from sources in sources.list |
| 00:52.57 | sid | Lou80: You didn't do that already? |
| 00:53.10 | shiftless | usr: updated package lists are downloaded from your sources |
| 00:53.15 | shiftless | if a package list is current, skips that source |
| 00:53.16 | Lou80 | ages ago when you first said |
| 00:53.23 | Lou80 | again though? |
| 00:53.28 | dev52 | maybe |
| 00:53.33 | dvs | Lou80: after you modified the /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 00:53.37 | dev52 | also try dpkg --configure --pending |
| 00:53.41 | Lou80 | yeah after |
| 00:53.49 | sid | Lou80: apt-cache search linux-image; and pick an image and install it with apt-get install |
| 00:54.18 | ozatomic | [L] 530 Sorry, but I can't trust you ????? |
| 00:54.44 | usr13 | and what is the comand that brings up an interactive menu to add new repositories to sources.list ? |
| 00:54.44 | dev52 | pair of noyds? |
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| 00:55.12 | enouf | Lou80: your recent pastebin doesn't seem like dependency issues - that's a bad mirror or something - and you're uisng PPC ? - also did you try the "apt-get update or try with --fix-missing" as stated in the error |
| 00:55.20 | dev52 | apt-setup? |
| 00:55.27 | shiftless | usr: 'nano' |
| 00:55.53 | Lou80 | yeah ppc |
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| 00:56.14 | Lou80 | yeah i did, didn't fix it |
| 00:56.25 | dev52 | shiftless: maybe new mysql isn't showing up because you would have to adjust the pinning? |
| 00:56.40 | enouf | Lou80 - do you have a corresponding 'deb-src' line in sources.list ? |
| 00:56.48 | Lou80 | no |
| 00:56.55 | shiftless | dev52: possibly. doesnt really matter if i get the absolute latest version or not, i just need it installed |
| 00:56.58 | enouf | Lou80 - well put one in |
| 00:57.00 | Lou80 | k |
| 00:57.08 | dev52 | you don't need that for kernel-source-* |
| 00:57.18 | shiftless | dev52, if i had known it was gonna be a big hassle/impossible to install testing packages, i would have just stayed with stable |
| 00:57.20 | enouf | dev52: oh ... ok - mt mostake |
| 00:57.23 | enouf | mistake* |
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| 00:57.30 | stew | dev52: no, kernel-source is a binary package, not a source package |
| 00:57.41 | dev52 | while the package contains source code, it's considered a binary package... the source packages are split into three pkgs |
| 00:58.06 | dev52 | err |
| 00:58.12 | dev52 | split into three files |
| 00:58.26 | dev52 | occasionally two |
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| 00:58.35 | Lou80 | done it, reckon i should download a source and recompile? |
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| 00:59.34 | dev52 | shiftless: but you can see why that's true, right? |
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| 01:01.01 | shiftless | yeah since it is a binary distribution. it would be possible to install newer packages without trouble if there were a way to separate out old libraries from new on the same system |
| 01:01.06 | dev52 | essentially the base consists (among other things) of libc of a particular version... change that without redoing everything, and you just broke your box almost totally |
| 01:01.19 | enouf | Lou80 - I just have the deb-src equivalents for all my mirrors in sources.list - and sure try again |
| 01:01.26 | dev52 | yeah, exactly |
| 01:01.32 | stew | shiftless: the big problem is the glibc library |
| 01:01.38 | stew | s/the/a/ |
| 01:01.53 | dev52 | the big problem is a glibc library?? |
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| 01:02.21 | RichiH | oh noes! we have a globc library! |
| 01:02.26 | shiftless | it saddens me that the version system is not used like it out to be used. an application out to be able to TELL by the version number if it can safely use that library or not |
| 01:02.27 | RichiH | heh, glob |
| 01:02.38 | dn4 | The world of dualisms has truly been cultivated for years, but this too is just a concept from which we filter the reality. |
| 01:02.50 | stew | dev52: its not possible to have multiple versions of glibc installed |
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| 01:03.42 | dev52 | ...and have them all resolvable via ld.so system-wide |
| 01:03.46 | shiftless | as linux (excuse me, GNU/Linux) matures maybe these issues will eventually be smoothed out |
| 01:04.28 | dev52 | shiftless: I'd say put your code where your mouth is :P produce an implementation of that |
| 01:04.48 | Lou80 | still the same problem http://pastebin.ca/148286 |
| 01:04.50 | shiftless | im not implementing shit, im just using whats out there |
| 01:05.08 | dev52 | shiftless: then you're stuck with that... |
| 01:05.24 | dev52 | and dependent on the decisions of others |
| 01:05.28 | shiftless | no i'm not, i could easily use windows if it really truly concerned me |
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| 01:05.35 | shiftless | ..but it doesnt |
| 01:05.36 | enouf | Lou80: not ' that ' is an unmet dependeny eror - others can help |
| 01:05.37 | dev52 | in which case... |
| 01:05.43 | dev52 | shiftless: then you'd be stuck with that... |
| 01:05.45 | dev52 | and dependent on the decisions of others |
| 01:06.07 | azeem | Lou80: you have install an initramfs-tools from testing/unstabe on stable it seems |
| 01:06.23 | enouf | Lou80: still have any "testing' in sources.list ? |
| 01:06.27 | Lou80 | no |
| 01:06.28 | shiftless | i'm not 'stuck' with anything, i just choose to use what i choose to use, if something bothers me THAT badly then yes, i could write my own implementation |
| 01:06.33 | shiftless | but a smart programmer knows not to reinvent the wheel |
| 01:06.50 | sid | shiftless: You clearly have no clue what you're talking about. It saddens me you make comments about systems when you have no idea how to use them or how they work. |
| 01:06.52 | enouf | Lou80: follow azeem's lead |
| 01:07.07 | shiftless | sid: you're an idiot. |
| 01:07.40 | dev52 | shiftless: you're still not backing up what you |
| 01:07.46 | dev52 | re saying... |
| 01:07.47 | shiftless | i could go from being a debian novice to being a debian expert tomorrow if i felt like it. |
| 01:08.04 | shiftless | dev52, i don't have to back up anything, i'm not out to prove anything to anyone |
| 01:08.09 | dev52 | I'd pay to see you try |
| 01:08.20 | Lou80 | tried to remove it http://pastebin.ca/148295 |
| 01:08.23 | shiftless | ok, how much? |
| 01:08.23 | enouf | here comes the name-calling from the b0z0s....ugh! |
| 01:08.45 | dev52 | shiftless: then, and I mean this in a moreorless kind way.... shut the fuck up :) |
| 01:08.45 | sid | !ops shiftless has been trolling for a long time now..he is killing #debian resources and cluttering the channel for people who actually need help. |
| 01:08.45 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: sid complains about: shiftless has been trolling for a long time now..he is killing #debian resources and cluttering the channel for people who actually need help. |
| 01:08.46 | azeem | sid: so /igonore |
| 01:09.03 | shiftless | sid: WTF |
| 01:09.16 | shiftless | sid: "trolling"? i'm having a discussion with someone, you fucking idiot. |
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| 01:09.29 | Lou80 | thanks for all your help guys, i'm going to start from scratch tomorrow |
| 01:09.42 | azeem | shiftless: nobody's a `fucking idiot' in here |
| 01:09.58 | beardy | Except the fu.. nevermind. |
| 01:10.02 | enouf | Lou80: ok - be sure to fill everyone in on what you've done so far today :-) |
| 01:10.02 | dev52 | well, that's not always true :) |
| 01:10.04 | azeem | shiftless: you have been silenced for 10 minutes due to inappropriate behaviour in here |
| 01:10.12 | Lou80 | and not mix stable unstable |
| 01:10.21 | Lou80 | :-) |
| 01:10.37 | azeem | shiftless: please reconsider your tone, and try to stay on-topic (which, in your case is getting your Debian questions answered) |
| 01:10.45 | enouf | Lou80: right ...:-0 |
| 01:11.11 | azeem | Lou80: at this point you can still try to upgrade to testing, that might work |
| 01:11.32 | dev52 | Lou80: for getting stuff from unstable, I assume you really just want newer stuff... there you have the same choices I outlined to shiftless |
| 01:12.13 | beardy | Lou80: What exactly do you need from unstable? |
| 01:12.17 | Lou80 | azeem you think i should echo "deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main" > /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; |
| 01:12.27 | Lou80 | brandy bcm43xx driver |
| 01:12.49 | Lou80 | beardy sorry :0 |
| 01:12.51 | azeem | Lou80: well, edit it, ratehr |
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| 01:13.00 | azeem | Lou80: I mean, if you want to reinstall anyway |
| 01:13.05 | dev52 | Lou80: maybe... and, definitly IF you want to help find release-stopping problems |
| 01:13.13 | beardy | Lou80: SOunds like a kernel module, why can't you just compile it? |
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| 01:13.52 | mentor | hnng |
| 01:13.54 | dev52 | he'd likely need to know how to do that |
| 01:13.57 | Lou80 | i could but stupidly thought getting the 2.6.17 kernel to work would be easier LOL |
| 01:14.34 | Lou80 | dev52 kernel headers, eh? |
| 01:14.34 | beardy | dev52: He'd likely be better off learning that than to start mixing packages and hooze his system. |
| 01:14.40 | Lou80 | yeah probably true |
| 01:15.01 | dev52 | well other than learning to use backports, probably yeah |
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| 01:15.31 | beardy | dev52: Backports could work yes, but since no one has suggested that yet, it seems, I figured it wasn't possible in his case? |
| 01:15.33 | bagoor | resizing the ReiserFS would be safe ? |
| 01:15.43 | dev52 | maybe |
| 01:15.55 | enouf | Lou80: For what it's worth- you can use a '#' to comment out any sources temporarily, if you so choose to do so - and just rememeber to keep track of that, and check the sources.list often for |
| 01:16.04 | Lou80 | k |
| 01:16.15 | dev52 | bagoor: that involves altering partition table... any such is not very safe. BACK UP your hd |
| 01:16.18 | enouf | Lou80: For what it's worth- you can use a '#' to comment out any sources (in sources.list) |
| 01:16.19 | beardy | bagoor: Using ReiserFS is not safe in the first place. And, when resizing anything, be careful and take backup of precious things, it can always go wrong. |
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| 01:16.34 | enouf | Lou80: ok |
| 01:16.47 | bagoor | beardy, why using ReiserFS is not safe ? |
| 01:16.54 | dev52 | it blows up. |
| 01:17.01 | freeone3000 | It saves space. |
| 01:17.02 | dev52 | it takes all files with it. boom. |
| 01:17.16 | dev52 | that's one way of putting it :) |
| 01:17.22 | Lou80 | okay, got to sleep its getting late |
| 01:17.24 | freeone3000 | Also reduces overhead... Which means, power outage, you lose a crapton of data. |
| 01:17.39 | Lou80 | c u tomorrow on wireless debian hopefully |
| 01:17.41 | freeone3000 | Also. Fsck.reiserfs. BAD. |
| 01:17.46 | enouf | Lou80: 'night |
| 01:17.57 | bagoor | I'm looking for technical answer ! |
| 01:17.57 | dan2 | did anybody else see that 98 yard kickoff return touchdown by the panthers |
| 01:17.59 | dan2 | beautiful |
| 01:18.02 | Lou80 | thanks everyone |
| 01:18.03 | freeone3000 | Because the inode btree could be anywhere on the disk. So it just pieces anything that looks like a reiserfs btree into one btree. |
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| 01:18.28 | sid | dan2: check out #football and #nfl on irc.efnet.pl |
| 01:18.56 | Guerin | dan2: you should watch rugby |
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| 01:19.00 | freeone3000 | Also, literally, if the inode table could be overwritten, you will more or less lose the filesystem. It journals diffrently from ext3. |
| 01:19.09 | dan2 | rugby is lame |
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| 01:19.17 | freeone3000 | The way it does it saves a ton of space, speeds up writes, but loses a lot of the robustness. |
| 01:19.21 | Guerin | dan2: a real athlete's sport, where you don't get a rest for 10 minutes every 30 seconds |
| 01:19.24 | dev52 | before I go, how do I save mixer settings such that they'll be used when I boot? |
| 01:19.29 | dev52 | alsa |
| 01:19.30 | beardy | bagoor: Good question. But, it isn't. |
| 01:19.38 | Guerin | dan2: alsa should to that automatically on shutdown |
| 01:19.38 | freeone3000 | dev52: It does it automatically, doesn't it? |
| 01:19.52 | dev52 | I thought so, but evidently not |
| 01:19.59 | Guerin | dev52: you can do it manually with alsactl |
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| 01:20.22 | dev52 | how is that arranged in debian |
| 01:20.46 | sid | dev52: apt-get install alsa-utils alsa-base; and then type "alsamixer" as the user and it should save automatically iirc |
| 01:21.01 | dev52 | I have alsamixer |
| 01:21.17 | dev52 | I'm guessing therefore I have alsa-utils |
| 01:21.29 | sid | dev52: ok fire it up, and change volume levels to what you want. control c and it will save.(iirc) |
| 01:21.44 | dan2 | guerin, you need to start watching college and high school football (the best) |
| 01:21.53 | dev52 | control c? hmm, I would exit alsamixer with esc |
| 01:21.59 | dev52 | maybe that's the problem? |
| 01:23.05 | sid | heh, no esc should work fine too dev52 |
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| 01:23.35 | beardy | Ctrl-c is much more likely to not save the settings. |
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| 01:23.46 | dev52 | when does it actually save? |
| 01:24.01 | beardy | No idea, in general, I meant. |
| 01:24.09 | dev52 | does alsamixer do the saving? or does that happen at startup and shutdown? |
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| 01:24.16 | dev52 | ahh, ok |
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| 01:24.58 | epsilon | I have trouble to start apache-ssl after install, "apache-ssl -F" only returns "Reading key for server <server IP>:443" and quits |
| 01:25.26 | beardy | dev52: See if /var/log/dmesg says anything about from where mixer settings is restored? |
| 01:25.27 | epsilon | I already treid LogLevel emerg, absolutly nothing is logged anywhere |
| 01:25.43 | dev52 | good idea, no time to do that now tho |
| 01:26.03 | epsilon | any idea how I can start apache with more verbose way? |
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| 01:26.21 | beardy | dev52: 'dmesg | grep mixer', you have time for. Why don't you have the time, anyway, you asked? |
| 01:26.39 | dev52 | impending rehersal |
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| 01:27.12 | dusty- | hey guys i have just setup my iptables firewall script on debian 3.1 unstable, where do i put it or how to i make it activated on boot after my modem is brought up? |
| 01:27.23 | dev52 | alsamixer: aborting due to signal `Interrupt' (when I ctrl-c) |
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| 01:28.05 | dev52 | beardy: dmesg | grep mixer, no output |
| 01:28.12 | beardy | dusty-: 'cat /etc/debian_version' says? |
| 01:28.43 | dev52 | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:28.45 | beardy | dev52: Ok, check the file /var/log/dmesg instead, and, use less. |
| 01:28.58 | dev52 | HAHA, your debian got hacked in a major way! |
| 01:29.09 | dev52 | just kidding, it doesn't say that :) |
| 01:30.10 | shiftless | whereis libphp5.so |
| 01:30.13 | shiftless | oops |
| 01:30.28 | dev52 | /var/log/dmesg , /mixer, nothing there |
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| 01:31.06 | dusty- | anyone? |
| 01:31.15 | dusty- | how do i getg it to boot my rc.firewall on boot |
| 01:31.31 | beardy | dusty-: Answer my question. |
| 01:32.59 | beardy | dusty-: You see, you either run Debian 3.1, which is stable, or unstable, we want to know which, since what you said you are running does not make sense. |
| 01:33.16 | dusty- | i installed debian 3.1 netinst |
| 01:33.19 | dev52 | also, alsa is not found... hmm, ran out of time... gotta go to rehersal |
| 01:33.31 | dusty- | then edited /etc/apt/sources.lst and changed stable to unstable |
| 01:33.36 | dusty- | and updated, then dist-upgrade |
| 01:33.40 | dusty- | so im running usntable |
| 01:33.47 | beardy | dusty-: Run the command 'cat /etc/debian_version' and tell us what it says. |
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| 01:33.51 | dusty- | gateway:/etc/init.d# cat /etc/debian_version |
| 01:33.51 | dusty- | testing/unstable |
| 01:33.58 | Cooner750 | Got a question here about web serving |
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| 01:34.34 | dvs | yay |
| 01:34.51 | beardy | dusty-: Why did you do that? You sound like you will get major trouble sooner or later. |
| 01:35.02 | beardy | dusty-: Run sarge. |
| 01:35.14 | dusty- | beardy, i dont want to run sarge i have run debian unstable for a while |
| 01:35.15 | dusty- | i prefer it |
| 01:35.24 | dev52 | or he'll learn everything about linux and debian the hard way in about 2 weeks... :P |
| 01:35.25 | dusty- | can u please just tell me howto get this to start on boot? |
| 01:35.31 | dusty- | umm |
| 01:35.44 | dusty- | i have run unstable for years to be honest with you and never had a problem |
| 01:35.49 | dusty- | i just never setup a firewall on linux |
| 01:35.49 | beardy | dev52: He can do that fine running sarge too. |
| 01:35.50 | Cooner750 | Is it possible to run "2 websites" from one server? For example, I'd one domain1.no-ip.org to go to one part, and domain2.no-ip.com to show another site |
| 01:35.53 | dusty- | im an openbsd guy |
| 01:36.04 | freeone3000 | dusty-: less /etc/init.d/README |
| 01:36.12 | dusty- | ive read that not very helpful |
| 01:36.35 | dev52 | oh, I know why then... the init is sysV |
| 01:36.35 | dusty- | or at least i didnt get the answer from it |
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| 01:36.36 | freeone3000 | Sure it is. Symlink, mv, cp, directories, and sourced shell scripts. |
| 01:36.48 | dusty- | i've spent all night configuring this firewall can someone please just tell me howto get it to start on boot |
| 01:36.51 | dusty- | so i can goto bed :) |
| 01:37.10 | dev52 | leave it run till morning :P do it then |
| 01:37.32 | zinx | dusty-: create an init script and add it to the startup runlevel |
| 01:37.33 | dev52 | btw, there is a package called ipmasq |
| 01:37.40 | support | hello |
| 01:37.55 | dev52 | I gotta go... someone explain ipmasq to him |
| 01:37.55 | zinx | dusty-: or add the script to /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:38.00 | vic | hello |
| 01:38.34 | dusty- | zinx, does echo "pre-up /etc/init.d/rc.firewall" >> /etc/network/interfaces work? |
| 01:38.37 | dusty- | or will that work? |
| 01:38.50 | vic | anyone knows how to install a single package e.i apache alone using a console only |
| 01:39.01 | dusty- | or infact discard the pre-up and just put the script in there at the bottom? |
| 01:39.10 | Stevie-O | vic: apt-get install packagename ? |
| 01:39.20 | Stevie-O | vic: or if you have the .deb file itself, dpkg -i file.deb |
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| 01:40.09 | vic | i only have the download of apache |
| 01:40.21 | freeone3000 | Er. You'll not want to do that. |
| 01:40.32 | dusty- | ffs |
| 01:40.36 | dusty- | PLEASE ANSWER THE DAMN QUESTION |
| 01:40.37 | freeone3000 | You can package it, the hard way, or use the package that's already there, the easy way. |
| 01:41.11 | freeone3000 | I like the easy way, because then you can also install all your mods (for instance, php, modrewrite) from the same source. |
| 01:41.31 | vic | the file httpd-2.2.3.tar.gz |
| 01:41.33 | dusty- | among the 518 people in here who can tell me how to get my rc.firewall script to start on boot? |
| 01:41.36 | dusty- | like tell me the steps |
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| 01:41.41 | dusty- | please? |
| 01:41.54 | Stevie-O | vic: apt-get install apache |
| 01:42.39 | freeone3000 | Or apache2, depending on needs. If you don't know, go for two.. |
| 01:42.43 | Stevie-O | dusty-: update-rc.d firewall start 99 2 |
| 01:42.44 | epsilon | my apache-ssl in sarge is crashing at startup without any errormessage/log, strace shows it crashed whiel reading the key file. anyone has idea what's wrong? |
| 01:43.00 | Stevie-O | corrupted keyfile? |
| 01:43.24 | dusty- | gateway:/etc/init.d# update-rc.d rc.firewall start 99 2 |
| 01:43.25 | dusty- | update-rc.d: error: expected runlevel [0-9S] (did you forget "." ?) |
| 01:43.26 | vic | the package was in cd which was in external cdrom |
| 01:43.39 | epsilon | generated twice new, proftpd is working fine with the key |
| 01:43.49 | dusty- | Stevie-O? |
| 01:43.51 | Stevie-O | ah |
| 01:43.56 | Stevie-O | you need a . at the end |
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| 01:44.24 | vic | it says package apache has no installation candidate |
| 01:44.44 | dusty- | Stevie-O thats it, now i can reboot and it will be brought up? |
| 01:44.53 | epsilon | update-rc.d rc.firewall start 99 2 3 4 5 . stop 0 1 6 . |
| 01:45.01 | epsilon | stop 99 ... |
| 01:45.15 | dusty- | wtf eps |
| 01:45.20 | dusty- | wtf epsilon? |
| 01:45.31 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: you want the firewall started in rcS.d, probably at 41 or so. |
| 01:45.40 | vic | when i try to add the cdrom in apt it says that its not a debian package |
| 01:45.54 | RichiH | oi dondelelcaro |
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| 01:45.55 | RichiH | ltns |
| 01:45.55 | vic | pls help |
| 01:46.10 | dondelelcaro | vic: using apt-cdrom? |
| 01:46.11 | epsilon | rcS is singleuser? |
| 01:46.20 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: no. rcS is the runlevel that always gets run |
| 01:46.31 | dusty- | Stevie-O, the rc.firewall is just a bash script so ummm will it still work like u wsaid? |
| 01:46.32 | vic | dondelelcaro: yup |
| 01:46.51 | dondelelcaro | vic: and the cdrom is mounted and you have a cdrom sources.list entry and it's a Debian cdrom? |
| 01:46.53 | Stevie-O | so long as it's +x and has the shebang line |
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| 01:47.07 | vic | its not a debian cd |
| 01:47.20 | dusty- | yes it does |
| 01:47.22 | dusty- | ok rebooting to test |
| 01:47.24 | dusty- | thanks! |
| 01:47.26 | vic | i just download the file from apache, then burn the cd |
| 01:47.32 | dondelelcaro | vic: which file? |
| 01:47.37 | kanedaddy | hi |
| 01:47.39 | zerod | sup |
| 01:47.40 | vic | the apache |
| 01:47.47 | pur-angst5 | hi |
| 01:47.52 | epsilon | anyway, my apache-ssl is still fucked up :/ |
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| 01:48.06 | cr3 | how can I reconfigure xorg? |
| 01:48.07 | epsilon | still crashing while reading the key |
| 01:48.11 | pur-angst5 | dunno |
| 01:48.12 | beardy | !drxx cr3 |
| 01:48.12 | zerod | fun |
| 01:48.12 | dpkg | cr3: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 01:48.13 | dondelelcaro | vic: apt-cdrom only works for specially formatted cds which have sets of Debian packages on them; it won't work for random cds |
| 01:48.27 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: have you created the key properly? |
| 01:48.36 | dondelelcaro | !self signed ssl key |
| 01:48.51 | vic | so is there any other way to install a package in my case? |
| 01:48.56 | dondelelcaro | !self-signed ssl key |
| 01:48.56 | dpkg | openssl genrsa 1024 > server.key; openssl req -new -key server.key -x509 -days 365 -out server.crt; |
| 01:49.10 | dondelelcaro | dpkg: self signed ssl key is <reply> see self-signed ssl key |
| 01:49.10 | dpkg | dondelelcaro: okay |
| 01:49.18 | beardy | vic: Why aren't you using the package in the repository for the version of Debian you are running? |
| 01:49.20 | kanedaddy | that's a secret |
| 01:49.30 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: with the key generated while apache-ssl installation, and also tried with the key I use for proftpd (which works) |
| 01:49.30 | Stevie-O | what's a secret? |
| 01:49.32 | dondelelcaro | vic: just get the package, and dpkg -i it; aternatively, actually use the packages which are in the Debian archive (which is what you should be doing anyway) |
| 01:49.48 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: is it segfaulting or just complaining about the key? |
| 01:50.12 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: I have trouble to start apache-ssl after install, "apache-ssl -F" only returns "Reading key for server <server IP>:443" and quits |
| 01:50.28 | epsilon | no log, no errormessage |
| 01:50.39 | ftp3 | ok, so apparently i need to download a "livecd" to figure out what sata driver to use.. where do I get a livecd that will help me determine the correct sata driver? |
| 01:50.40 | vic | i dont have the 14cds of debian, i only have the one cd |
| 01:50.47 | epsilon | strace shows it happens while reading the key |
| 01:50.56 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: that sounds like a segfault to me; run it under gdb to see what is going on. What version of apache-ssl is this? |
| 01:50.57 | dvs | ftp3: What happened to etch? |
| 01:51.09 | beardy | vic: What kind if internet connection do you have? |
| 01:51.10 | vic | so i try to use alternate method of installtion |
| 01:51.16 | ftp3 | dvs, it said it could not find a driver and listed them all and asked me to choose one |
| 01:51.17 | epsilon | psache-ssl from sarge |
| 01:51.23 | vic | dsl connection |
| 01:51.28 | dvs | ftp3: oh ok. |
| 01:51.32 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: which version? |
| 01:51.32 | beardy | vic: Atleast download the debian package then.. |
| 01:51.53 | beardy | vic: Why aren't you downloading and installing it with apt-get or aptitude then? |
| 01:52.23 | vic | i already downloaded the package |
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| 01:52.42 | vic | it is in my other pc |
| 01:52.47 | beardy | vic: What is the exact name of the package? |
| 01:52.57 | beardy | vic: Just use apt-get or aptitude. |
| 01:53.01 | n00rul | anyone faced issue in latest kernel 2.6.17.7 |
| 01:53.13 | vic | i run out of cd, so it is in iso format |
| 01:53.13 | n00rul | when using telnet the response is not okay |
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| 01:53.42 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: Server version: Apache/1.3.33 Ben-SSL/1.55 (Debian GNU/Linux) |
| 01:53.56 | epsilon | I never used gdb before, how do I debug with it? |
| 01:53.57 | treitter | if I've got a package that I don't want to list any dependencies for, in the DEBIAN/control file, should I have "Depends:\n" or just cut the Depends line out? |
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| 01:54.32 | azeem | treitter: the former, I'd say |
| 01:54.39 | dvs | treitter: not even libc6? |
| 01:54.42 | beardy | vic: Run apt-setup, select a server, 'apt-get update', 'aptitude install apache' |
| 01:54.53 | treitter | azeem: do you know if it'd be an error to have a space before the newline? |
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| 01:55.20 | treitter | azeem: because I just ran into a problem re-indexing my repo, and I don't know if that could have done it |
| 01:55.35 | Dan01 | do i need to make a initrd.img everytime i compile the kernel? |
| 01:55.57 | dvs | Dan01: you can make kernels without one |
| 01:55.59 | beardy | Dan01: If you want to use an initrd.img, probably. |
| 01:56.07 | Dan01 | ok |
| 01:56.19 | Dan01 | i did try it without before it didn't boot |
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| 01:56.30 | Dan01 | so i ran the cmd and created one |
| 01:56.46 | dvs | Dan01: what happened? can't find root? |
| 01:56.53 | Dan01 | something like that |
| 01:57.01 | Dan01 | kernel panic |
| 01:57.06 | dvs | Yep |
| 01:57.13 | dondelelcaro | epsilon: just gdb /usr/sbin/apache-ssl; then r -F; then see what it fails with |
| 01:57.25 | dvs | Dan01: the IDE controller and filesystem modules were compiled as modules |
| 01:57.31 | beardy | Dan01: You have to _not_ select to use an initrd, or unselect it if it is selected, if you do not wish to use one. |
| 01:57.43 | Dan01 | ah i see |
| 01:57.45 | beardy | Dan01: and dvs is right |
| 01:57.47 | vic | beardy: thanks, ok il try |
| 01:57.50 | Dan01 | right |
| 01:58.02 | Dan01 | i'm new to kernel compiling |
| 01:58.13 | dvs | Dan01: that works with initrd but not without |
| 01:58.17 | beardy | Everyone is new in the beginning. |
| 01:58.19 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 01:58.22 | Dan01 | cool |
| 01:58.47 | dvs | Dan01: if you don't want to use an initrd, compile those modules directly into the kernel. |
| 01:58.53 | Dan01 | ok |
| 01:58.55 | Dan01 | thanks |
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| 01:59.23 | tengulre | how to get the mainboard information in terminal?l |
| 01:59.36 | dvs | tengulre: lspic for starters |
| 01:59.38 | treitter | dvs: well, I could of course do something like that |
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| 01:59.42 | dvs | tengulre: lspci for starters |
| 02:00.11 | hologram | evening |
| 02:00.18 | beardy | tengulre: after you've checked what that gives you, tell us what information you are looking for more specific |
| 02:00.20 | tengulre | dvs, that only get pci information. |
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| 02:00.45 | dvs | tengulre: that's as close as you get without opening the case |
| 02:01.22 | epsilon | dondelelcaro: doesn't reveal much, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3543 |
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| 02:02.08 | Dan01 | i just want to be sure on this, when i set the options on menuconfg and get it tp make a kernel image it and then dpkg -i the new image does that replace any old kernel image in the boot dir? |
| 02:02.27 | tengulre | http://rafb.net/paste/results/9KYk2l82.html |
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| 02:02.48 | dvs | Dan01: if it's the same kernel version, yes. are you using make-kpkg? |
| 02:02.57 | Dan01 | its just i'm having a slight problem with it picking up my usb keybored and am trying to see if i havn't got something loaded |
| 02:02.59 | beardy | Dan01: It will ask you if you want to replace the kernel, if it is the same version. |
| 02:03.03 | Dan01 | yes dvs |
| 02:03.08 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 02:03.12 | Dan01 | so i say yes |
| 02:03.20 | dvs | Dan01: you can use the --append-to-version option to create a new version |
| 02:03.25 | Dan01 | ok |
| 02:03.32 | Dan01 | thats all ok then |
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| 02:04.24 | beardy | tengulre: what information are you looking for? |
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| 02:05.54 | Dan01 | the [*] means that i want to put that directly into the kernel if it needs to be loaded right? |
| 02:06.01 | dvs | Dan01: yes |
| 02:06.05 | Dan01 | ok |
| 02:06.08 | Dan01 | thanks |
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| 02:07.33 | Mitar | what should i configure to send all log messages to a remote host? |
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| 02:07.43 | zerobfh | Nicht verpassen http://www.my-schamhaar.de/showpage.php?uid=6318 |
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| 02:07.46 | Dan01 | before i had the [M] for use usb on host system |
| 02:07.49 | Mitar | is enough to add *.* @domain to the syslog config? |
| 02:07.54 | Dan01 | and thats probably why its not working |
| 02:08.00 | dvs | Dan01: which was the problem with IDE and filesystem |
| 02:08.05 | dvs | too |
| 02:08.08 | Dan01 | no probs there |
| 02:08.13 | Mitar | and is enough that i add -r to the switches on master log server? |
| 02:08.16 | Dan01 | just usb on the box |
| 02:08.28 | Mitar | or should i do somethin else there too? |
| 02:09.24 | epsilon | the file /etc/apache-ssl/apache.pem has permissions root:root 600, right? |
| 02:10.25 | nite613_ | since a recent etch upgrade, yesterday I think, it seems that sigwinch is broken in a bunch of my apps. Pine and centericq notably. I thought it must be an ncurses problem, but nvi seems unaffected. Basically they aren't responding to my xterm resizes and the output gets very confused |
| 02:11.40 | enouf | ftp3: could try Knoppix or K/Ubuntu or Slax ir many others as a LiveCD - knoppix is usually great on hardware detection |
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| 02:13.45 | enouf | tengulre : dmesg will also show you some info - can 'dmesg | grep ACPI' for ex - could install 'dmidecode', 'lshw', and 'hwinfo' for much more system info |
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| 02:14.54 | tengulre | enouf, thank you very much!! |
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| 02:15.08 | Dan01 | last build |
| 02:15.15 | enouf | tengulre: np |
| 02:15.15 | dvs | yeha right |
| 02:15.18 | Dan01 | then i'm off to bed its 03:15am here |
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| 02:15.54 | zerobfh | *gg*-> http://www.my-schamhaar.de/showpage.php?uid=6334 |
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| 02:16.33 | jetscreamer | kanotix>knoppix |
| 02:16.40 | vic | i wasn't able to locate a file for the libreadline4 package, how can this be fix/ |
| 02:16.43 | karsten | which is more current? tethereal or wireshark? |
| 02:16.43 | jetscreamer | #kanotix |
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| 02:16.52 | zerobfh | *gg*-> http://www.my-schamhaar.de/showpage.php?uid=6334 |
| 02:17.04 | jetscreamer | apt-cache search readline vic |
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| 02:21.08 | SpaceFrog | Hey guys |
| 02:21.29 | hologram | howdy |
| 02:21.38 | SpaceFrog | I was wondering... is there a way i can ssh into my server and leave apt-get running when i close the ssh client? |
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| 02:21.44 | vic | how can i fix the package? |
| 02:21.52 | hologram | do SpaceFrogs still ribbit in the dark void of space? |
| 02:22.06 | SpaceFrog | For eternity, my friend. |
| 02:22.16 | hologram | SpaceFrog: screen it and detach the screen session |
| 02:22.26 | vic | how can i fix the package? |
| 02:22.28 | nite613_ | SpaceFrog: use screen |
| 02:22.29 | SpaceFrog | ah, good idea. I wasn't sure if that was the "correct" way to do it |
| 02:22.34 | Ronin | vic: what package? and be patient |
| 02:22.52 | Ronin | SpaceFrog: screen will rock your socks, ;) |
| 02:22.59 | hologram | SpaceFrog: ya screen is great for all sorts of things really if you dig into it |
| 02:23.07 | vic | i wasn't able to locate a file for the libreadline4 package, |
| 02:23.16 | SpaceFrog | Where can i read more about screen? |
| 02:23.25 | vic | due to missing arch |
| 02:23.27 | Ronin | SpaceFrog: man screen is the easier |
| 02:23.27 | SpaceFrog | also, obligatory "how can i fix the package?" :P |
| 02:23.31 | SpaceFrog | thanks Ronin |
| 02:24.08 | Ronin | SpaceFrog: but, and i haven't looked for a while, id bet my next pay theres a nice tutorial online somewhere as well |
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| 02:24.53 | SpaceFrog | I've never used screen, but can i get back to it after closing the client? Is it like a persistant terminal? |
| 02:25.27 | Guerin | SpaceFrog: screen -r[d] |
| 02:25.37 | Ronin | SpaceFrog: its how i do most my work on me debian box from away, i just detach when im done, ssh in, reattach |
| 02:25.52 | SpaceFrog | ah, sounds simple enough. thanks for your help, all. |
| 02:25.53 | Guerin | it's how I do most of my work even when I'm local |
| 02:25.58 | Ronin | Guerin: true |
| 02:26.03 | Guerin | one of the things i just can't live without |
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| 02:27.20 | squigly | does any one know of a way to interrupt an mt command after its started running? |
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| 02:28.45 | karsten | squigly: Patience, grasshopper |
| 02:28.53 | Guerin | squigly: mt? |
| 02:28.55 | karsten | squigly: You have to wait for the device to finish its thing. |
| 02:29.01 | karsten | Guerin: magtape interface |
| 02:29.03 | sid | squigly: control c? |
| 02:29.12 | Guerin | oh |
| 02:29.13 | squigly | if only ctrl c would do it |
| 02:29.14 | Guerin | heh |
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| 02:29.26 | squigly | accidentl fsfed one too many |
| 02:29.28 | Guerin | it's that digital/mechanical divide again |
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| 02:29.42 | karsten | squigly: No, the process is probably in a noninterruptable state waiting for IO response. |
| 02:29.52 | Guerin | i'm dealing with that fucking digital/mechanical divide with my evil fucking washing machine |
| 02:30.00 | karsten | squigly: 'strace -p <PID-of-mt-process>' to see if it's actually doing anything. |
| 02:30.03 | tengulre | Hi,all |
| 02:30.05 | |slocate | how does one update mandb? |
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| 02:30.24 | tengulre | how to building small system. only have firewall function? |
| 02:30.37 | enouf | |slocate: sudo updatedb ? |
| 02:30.38 | karsten | Guerin: Practice save digital/mechanical divide fucking. |
| 02:30.47 | squigly | karsten, just sitting there, i didnt know i could connect to a process like that with strace, neat |
| 02:31.03 | karsten | squigly: Learned that in a job interview yesterday ;-) |
| 02:31.23 | Guerin | karsten: yeah, washing machines ar eparticularly fun due to all the iol-laden water involved |
| 02:31.33 | karsten | squigly: I'm now wondering how long that feature's been there. |
| 02:31.41 | karsten | Guerin: Heh. |
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| 02:31.56 | karsten | Guerin: I've had a number of washing machine experiences.... |
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| 02:32.06 | enouf | !greet tengulre |
| 02:32.06 | dpkg | Hello, tengulre |
| 02:32.07 | karsten | Guerin: Once in a duplex, flooded both sides. |
| 02:32.14 | Guerin | yay! |
| 02:32.15 | Guerin | well |
| 02:32.16 | |slocate | enouf kool, but that should keep cron-weekly from warning from bad and danglings links? |
| 02:32.24 | squigly | karsten, im writing backup software and every bug sends the tape drive off into la la land, im becoming very patient |
| 02:32.34 | Guerin | this one wouldn't fill. Now it fills, but it's stopped partway through a cycle and won't continue |
| 02:32.50 | karsten | Guerin: ... once during a monster winter storm here in CA, we were up on a hill (and not subject to mudslides) but a bunch of folks were getting flooded out. Needed a wet/dry vac and carpet fans. |
| 02:32.57 | enouf | |slocate: don't know... |
| 02:33.00 | setuid_w00t | Are there any filesystems for Linux that are considered as reliable as ext3? I mean reliable in the case of power loss |
| 02:33.08 | karsten | squigly: See if you can't set up a dummy tape device or something. |
| 02:33.14 | Guerin | setuid_w00t: no. |
| 02:33.17 | karsten | Guerin: Bad timer control? |
| 02:33.29 | karsten | Guerin: That and the clutches. Typically what gets shot. |
| 02:33.38 | Guerin | karsten: unsure, investigating. Have decided to Wait and See. |
| 02:33.40 | setuid_w00t | I'm going to be moving my debian install to a new hard drive so I will have the ability to switch filesystems |
| 02:33.46 | enouf | |slocate: I think updatedb usually runs once daily - through cron.daily? |
| 02:33.58 | Guerin | it's got 2.5 hours to sort its shit out before I go to the pub |
| 02:34.00 | karsten | setuid_w00t: yes: a remote, redundant-power-supplied, backed-up storage unit. |
| 02:34.32 | karsten | setuid_w00t: Otherwise, ext3fs is among your better bets. Reiserfs as well, though some say they've seen horrible things happen. I've used it extensively w/ no problems. |
| 02:34.35 | setuid_w00t | karsten: well unless that's a new kernel option I'm not aware of, that doesn't really help |
| 02:34.50 | squigly | karsten, im using a robot too, i think setting up the dummy would be just as scairy |
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| 02:35.10 | Serialkiller | hi all |
| 02:35.22 | squigly | why do people hate reiserfs so? |
| 02:35.44 | Guerin | because of all the lost data |
| 02:35.57 | Guerin | it's not so much that it loases data more often than anything else |
| 02:36.06 | squigly | Guerin, i havnt lost a a file, well i have lost that, one file |
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| 02:36.11 | Guerin | it's just that when you lose data, there are no useful tools to get it back |
| 02:36.15 | Serialkiller | i am trying to determine what my soundcard is i am trying to cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp but no sound, xmms plays music with alsa , any ideas? |
| 02:36.19 | squigly | its hardly supprising though it was being written to as it died |
| 02:36.31 | squigly | Guerin, huh? there are tools |
| 02:36.32 | karsten | enouf: Yes. Hrm. Where'd it go? |
| 02:36.38 | Guerin | squigly: they're not useful. |
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| 02:36.55 | stew | Serialkiller: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:37.00 | Guerin | squigly: modprobe snd-pcm-oss |
| 02:37.02 | karsten | setuid_w00t: What's your filesystem issue? |
| 02:37.02 | Guerin | eh |
| 02:37.13 | enouf | karsten : what was it that we were looking for again? :-p |
| 02:37.23 | squigly | Guerin, ive found the tools to be 100% sucessful, in the case of breakage |
| 02:37.34 | karsten | enouf: Ah. It's dlocate on my box. |
| 02:37.50 | karsten | enouf: /etc/cron.daily/dlocate |
| 02:37.51 | Guerin | squigly: there's always one. |
| 02:37.53 | squigly | its nice being able to pay namesys $100 for help too |
| 02:38.07 | enouf | karsten : ahhh .ok - nice |
| 02:38.19 | squigly | ive got about 100tb of resierfs, with out any issues |
| 02:38.57 | stew | I've seen several cases of filesystem corruption in reiserfs in here in the last few weeks, and zero from any other filesystem |
| 02:38.58 | setuid_w00t | karsten: my hard drive is dying, so I am replacing it. Since I will be creating new filesystems to copy the installation into, I *could* switch filesystems |
| 02:39.04 | karsten | OK, what are the hazards of enabling acpi with a 2.6.8 kernel? |
| 02:39.07 | enouf | karsten : I have a /etc/cron.daily/man-db - no dlocate here |
| 02:39.11 | karsten | setuid_w00t: Dig. |
| 02:39.18 | karsten | setuid_w00t: These days I fly ext3 m'self. |
| 02:39.26 | karsten | enouf: aptitude install dlocate |
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| 02:39.51 | squigly | i need to have directories with tens of thousands of files in em, its xfs or resierfs |
| 02:39.55 | karsten | enouf: That said, frequent backups. |
| 02:39.59 | Guerin | if I had redundant power, I'd use xfs. Since I don't, I use ext3. |
| 02:40.03 | squigly | and i know people from SGI xfs team, and i wouldnt |
| 02:40.03 | karsten | squigly: reiserfs w/ noatim |
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| 02:40.17 | Detox | cannot get my usb nic to wrok |
| 02:40.19 | karsten | squigly: XFS behaves very, very poorly in sudden shutdown situations. |
| 02:40.24 | karsten | !tell Detox about doesn't work |
| 02:40.29 | karsten | !tell Detox about smart questions |
| 02:40.29 | Guerin | yes |
| 02:40.34 | Guerin | very, very poorly |
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| 02:40.50 | karsten | squigly: If you've seen Men Behaving Badly? |
| 02:40.55 | karsten | Saints. |
| 02:40.57 | squigly | i lost an epsiode of fasscape, from XFS |
| 02:41.05 | squigly | fasscape = farscape |
| 02:41.14 | Guerin | aww |
| 02:41.18 | karsten | squigly: And here I thought it was F-Assscape. |
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| 02:41.53 | karsten | Detox: Why don't you tell us what sort of kit, what commands, and what output, for starters. |
| 02:42.01 | squigly | was quite annoying and painful |
| 02:42.26 | ftp3 | if anyone was following my sata saga.. i went to the store and bought a new motherboard (other one was new too) and debian detected everything and it works perfect.. glad I wasted 8+ hrs on a POS FIC motherboard. |
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| 02:43.10 | ftp3 | thanks again to those that tried to help when really I just needed a decent brand mobo |
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| 02:43.17 | enouf | karsten : Done installing 'dlocate' .. and what will that enable? I believe "|slocate" was looking for some info about man-db and it's relationship to/in cron.daily/cron.weekly ? |
| 02:43.30 | karsten | enouf: Um. Point. |
| 02:43.43 | stew | enouf: dlocate is a faster dpkg -L / dpkg -S |
| 02:43.45 | Guerin | ftp3: sell it on ebay |
| 02:43.54 | Guerin | ftp3: or $localebayequivalent |
| 02:43.55 | stew | enouf: dlocate packagename ; or dlocate filename |
| 02:43.58 | enouf | stew: karsten : thanks |
| 02:44.14 | karsten | enouf: man-db is just the manpages. I don't believe there's a search database itself. Um. Other than makewhatis. |
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| 02:44.50 | Serialkiller | stew : thanks |
| 02:45.11 | karsten | enouf: Hrm. /etc/cron.daily/man-db |
| 02:45.25 | karsten | enouf: Purches cached manpages, regenerats man database. |
| 02:45.58 | enouf | ftp3: what's happening lately? - no Sata drive support still using newer Etch installer |
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| 02:46.17 | enouf | karsten : thanks again for that info |
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| 02:46.36 | Guerin | hm, washing machine appears to have been paused |
| 02:46.57 | Guerin | that would be PEBFAC error, I suppose |
| 02:47.13 | enouf | Guerin: maybe a POS error - heheh |
| 02:48.33 | Faithful | Thunderbird is chewing up 100% of my CPU if it can get it... I have to keep shuting it down and restarting |
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| 02:49.12 | Guerin | ftp3: for how long? It probably just has to do some indexing and shit |
| 02:49.15 | Guerin | Faithful: |
| 02:49.33 | Guerin | Faithful: try starting it from a console with nice 19 |
| 02:49.41 | ftp3 | enouf, i went and bought a msi motherboard and everything (even 3.1r1) worked instantly |
| 02:49.47 | ftp3 | enouf, raid and all |
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| 02:50.23 | enouf | ftp3: what about the HDD ? still a Sata? and was that the earlier issue? |
| 02:50.38 | bbelt16ag | well i got it working i dont know what happened to my sound the other night but its fixed thank goodness |
| 02:50.51 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:50.53 | karsten | enouf: NP. |
| 02:51.04 | karsten | Guerin: It hasn't paused. |
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| 02:51.09 | bbelt16ag | i got a bunch of .ogg.ogg .ogg etc files and i want to change them into just .ogg |
| 02:51.16 | buu | rename |
| 02:51.16 | karsten | Guerin: It's interviewing with Bill O'Reilly. |
| 02:51.21 | bbelt16ag | rename? |
| 02:51.24 | karsten | Guerin: ... it's entered the no-spin zone. |
| 02:51.24 | buu | yes |
| 02:51.25 | bbelt16ag | is that a command? |
| 02:51.27 | buu | yes |
| 02:51.33 | bbelt16ag | wow |
| 02:51.38 | buu | yes |
| 02:51.38 | bbelt16ag | damn you go linux! |
| 02:51.52 | karsten | bbelt16ag: That's Debian GNU/Linux to you ;) |
| 02:51.56 | karsten | !beer RMS |
| 02:51.58 | bbelt16ag | * hugs programmers* |
| 02:52.11 | karsten | bbelt16ag: Now take a shower, you'll need one ;-) |
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| 02:52.53 | enouf | Faithful: try compacting each and every dir/folder in the everyone's mailbox - check to ensure you don't have unnecessary smtp servers and such listed - especially any oddballl Local Mailbox srettings |
| 02:53.31 | bbelt16ag | not much info on it in the man pages |
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| 02:56.56 | hesco | I'm on a fresh install, 2.6 kernel and have configured a static IP in /etc/networking/interfaces. If I'm not grabbing nameservers with dhclient, how and where would I configure my nameservers so they don't get rewritten on every reboot? It would seem they get overwritten in /etc/resolv.conf. |
| 02:58.04 | bbelt16ag | sigh |
| 02:59.07 | bbelt16ag | confused... |
| 02:59.18 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.09 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 03:00.14 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.17 | bbelt16ag | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:00.25 | bbelt16ag | nm |
| 03:01.26 | bbelt16ag | i figured it out |
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| 03:03.25 | n00rul | hesco: Are you sure it is getting re-written (/etc/resolv.conf). If so strange |
| 03:04.16 | hesco | I edited it with vim, n00rul. When the machine comes back up, its only two lines, reading: |
| 03:04.17 | hesco | # Dynamic resolv.conf(5) file for glibc resolver(3) generated by resolvconf(8) |
| 03:04.17 | hesco | # DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE BY HAND -- YOUR CHANGES WILL BE OVERWRITTEN |
| 03:04.41 | hesco | I'm now reading the man page for resolvconf, trying to figure this out. |
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| 03:05.25 | n00rul | deskgenie: I think dhclient is running somewhere |
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| 03:05.47 | n00rul | hesco: I think dhclient is getting executed somewhere when rou are booting |
| 03:06.07 | hesco | Earlier I went chmod -x /sbin/dhclient |
| 03:06.07 | demonjester | perhaps a second interface?? |
| 03:06.14 | zu22 | is there a good dyndns.org client for debian testing? |
| 03:06.15 | hesco | Only eth0 and lo |
| 03:06.30 | n00rul | what does your boot log say? |
| 03:06.40 | hesco | I just installed ddclient-3.7.0 on this machine |
| 03:06.42 | n00rul | what about /etc/network/interfaces have |
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| 03:06.56 | jariep1_ | hello all |
| 03:06.59 | hesco | by bootlog, are you asking about dmesg? |
| 03:07.06 | zu22 | hello |
| 03:07.08 | n00rul | nope |
| 03:07.15 | hesco | is there a pastebot where I can show you these files? |
| 03:07.22 | jariep1_ | I am trying to change the default display resolution of X, but where do I change this? |
| 03:07.40 | hesco | pastebot! |
| 03:07.56 | n00rul | hesco: /var/log/daemon.log |
| 03:08.08 | zu22 | !debian |
| 03:08.08 | dpkg | somebody said debian was http://www.debian.org. See http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/project-history/index.en.html#contents |
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| 03:09.18 | n00rul | hesco: grep dhclient /var/log/daemon.log | tail |
| 03:09.26 | n00rul | hesco: what does that say? |
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| 03:09.36 | hesco | n00rul: at five minute intervals, its giving me this: |
| 03:09.38 | hesco | Aug 24 22:52:16 localhost ddclient[3486]: WARNING: cannot connect to checkip.dyndns.org:80 socket: IO::Socket::INET: Bad hostname 'checkip.dyndns.org' |
| 03:09.43 | enouf | !paster |
| 03:09.43 | dpkg | paster is your friendly Debian pastebot. Visit http://channels.debian.net/paste to have paster paste your results. Ask me about <pastebin> if you want to use another site. |
| 03:09.48 | hesco | that's from my ddclient script |
| 03:10.23 | n00rul | hesco: I think ddclient is running as a daemon |
| 03:10.39 | n00rul | hesco: why dont you stop this ddclient from getting executed when you boot |
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| 03:11.31 | hesco | I need it running. I'm on a dsl here and in the morning I leave town and want to be able to find this server again. |
| 03:11.36 | n00rul | hesco: I would suggest you to remove this from startup and add something to /etc/resolv.conf and try |
| 03:12.02 | hesco | Why would ddclient mess with resolv.conf at all? |
| 03:12.02 | n00rul | hesco: Well, we can try to whether that is creating problem or not by doing this |
| 03:12.12 | n00rul | what is ddclient for? |
| 03:12.19 | hesco | Its only suppose to update the dyndns.org account to the latest local IP, isn't it? |
| 03:12.58 | bbelt16ag | thanks peeps all done |
| 03:13.12 | n00rul | http://linux.cudeso.be/obsd-info.php |
| 03:13.16 | n00rul | hesco read that |
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| 03:13.39 | n00rul | hesco: in that 11th point |
| 03:14.08 | n00rul | hesco: try that and reboot |
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| 03:17.50 | hesco | n00rul: should I localize the parameters in quotes in that sample? |
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| 03:18.26 | TheForgotten | Hey all |
| 03:18.42 | hesco | n00rul: should I localize the parameters in quotes in that sample? |
| 03:18.51 | TheForgotten | I'm originally from irc.dejatoons.net |
| 03:18.59 | jariep1_ | how do I change the display resolution of Debian on bootup? |
| 03:18.59 | n00rul | follow that web page |
| 03:19.32 | jariep1_ | I have a 1024x768 16 bit capable monitor and video card |
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| 03:19.48 | jariep1_ | but Debian is defaulting to 800x600 at 24 bit color |
| 03:19.51 | hesco | I made it so dhclient won't even execute, with chmod -x. I don't see how this configuration file could affect that. |
| 03:20.42 | n00rul | hesco: for root also? |
| 03:21.10 | hesco | dhclient is in /sbin. Only root would have access anyway, I thought. |
| 03:21.39 | n00rul | hesco: what is the permissions it has now? |
| 03:21.41 | ircdejatoonsnet | Anyone know any other chat servers? I only know of irc.dejatoons.net, and this one, irc.freenode.net |
| 03:21.42 | hesco | ls -l /sbin/dhclient |
| 03:21.43 | hesco | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 105240 2004-11-04 11:31 /sbin/dhclient |
| 03:21.50 | ircdejatoonsnet | Anyone know any other chat servers? I only know of irc.dejatoons.net, and this one, irc.freenode.net |
| 03:22.37 | stew | ImmortalKaine: irc.debian.org |
| 03:22.47 | stew | (aka oftc) |
| 03:23.02 | n00rul | what if it is done using execv inside ddclient |
| 03:23.09 | n00rul | hesco: I am not sure |
| 03:23.26 | hesco | Before though, something was grabbing an IP from the dhcp server on the router, even after I had assigned a static address in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 03:23.44 | n00rul | hesco: may be you can try what the link says |
| 03:23.54 | n00rul | hesco: I never faced such problem |
| 03:24.17 | hesco | It was very confusing, as I am used to running dhclient manually, when its not configured in interfaces |
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| 03:24.35 | n00rul | i think ddclient is the culprit |
| 03:24.57 | hesco | Yeah, I've built perhaps 20 or so machines and / or servers in the last year and I've never seen anything like this before |
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| 03:25.36 | n00rul | hesco: what i would suggest is to stop ddclient getting executed at startup |
| 03:25.45 | hesco | I'm tempted to write a cron job to rewrite my resolv.conf file at 10 minute intervals or something. |
| 03:26.07 | n00rul | hesco: and have a look at how things work. if this removes the problem then you can follow the 11th point in that link to keep both |
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| 03:39.33 | hesco | n00rul: After reading man resolvconf, I've added my nameserver lines to /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head. |
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| 03:40.13 | hesco | We'll see what happens now |
| 03:41.10 | apfel | Is anyone successfully using a webcam under linux (maybe with amsn or another messenger)? |
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| 03:42.17 | hesco | OK. I guess I should reboot this machine now and see what happens to my name servers. If I'm not back in a few, that may have fixed the issue. |
| 03:42.27 | aurax | is there a good web based bittorrent client ? |
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| 03:43.08 | hesco | aurux: apt-cache search bittorrent |
| 03:54.32 | Guerin | enouf: operation Fix Washing Machine complete! |
| 03:54.57 | enouf | Guerin : frigin 'A' man - what was te issue ? |
| 03:55.00 | enouf | the* |
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| 03:55.32 | Guerin | enouf: I don't actually know for certain, but I suspect the air hose in the water level switch was full of water |
| 03:55.44 | FarrisG | I'm using apt-cacher to proxy all of my apt-gets on my network. But one machine keeps getting "Couldn't stat source package/no such file or directory" when I try to update. If I remove the "host:port" portions from the sources.list on that machine, it'll update from remote sites fine. but for some reason, this particular machine is hosed. Same sources.list works on other machines. |
| 03:55.48 | enouf | Guerin : Allow me to pour you your 1st before heading out to the pub |
| 03:55.48 | Guerin | tipping the whole unit upside down and leaving it to drain appears to have fix0red it |
| 03:55.52 | enouf | !beer Guerin |
| 03:55.53 | sid | Is there any project for GNU / Linux like this --> https://sourceforge.net/projects/ffpreloader/ . Except it's not for windows. So when I try to start firefox. I starts in .2 seconds. Since 99% of the crap it needs is already resident in memory. |
| 03:56.06 | Guerin | enouf: you're a few seconds too late, sir, but cheers. |
| 03:56.31 | Guerin | hey, that stuff is better than the Castlepoint i'm drinking |
| 03:56.46 | Guerin | sid: why would you care? |
| 03:56.54 | enouf | Guerin : excellent - I love the idea of turning things upside down to drain them ... especially certain people - heheh |
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| 03:57.14 | Guerin | i mean, how long does ff take to start anyway, and how many times per day would you have to start it? |
| 03:57.49 | enouf | sid: I know Mozilla suite has a preload function called Quicklaunch or some shit |
| 03:57.56 | sid | Guerin: I want firefox to load fast. |
| 03:58.04 | mlsara | clear |
| 03:58.16 | sid | enouf: yea, seamonkey has that too. |
| 03:58.30 | enouf | sid: may want to use "about:config" -- I think I recall seeing that in there as an option |
| 03:58.40 | hesco | Hey folks I'm back. It seems that it is resolvconf which is overwriting my /etc/resolv.conf file. |
| 03:58.55 | Guerin | hesco: that's what it's supposed to do |
| 03:59.04 | Guerin | hesco: if you don't want it, then ... |
| 03:59.08 | Guerin | !fixresolvconf |
| 03:59.08 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 03:59.08 | enouf | sid: Or add it yourself - just not sure which versions of FF if any will accept the config changes |
| 03:59.35 | sid | Guerin: 3 seconds |
| 03:59.50 | Guerin | sid: and you start it once every - what, three days? |
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| 04:00.02 | Guerin | you've already wasted about a month's worth of time over it |
| 04:00.05 | enouf | Guerin : ahhh. +i == immutable |
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| 04:00.30 | hesco | I went vim /etc/resolvconf/resolv.conf.d/head and added my preferred server names there. It seems to have worked. |
| 04:01.05 | sid | Guerin: twice a day sometimes |
| 04:01.06 | hesco | I had earlier disabled (chmod -x) dhclient to get it out of my way, after writing a static address into /etc/network/interfaces |
| 04:01.26 | sid | Guerin: When I do a lug presentation I want my laptop to not look like the piece of shit it is. And have the browser load fast. |
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| 04:01.33 | sid | I could load dillo, but lots of people know about dillo. |
| 04:01.33 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:01.40 | Guerin | and dillo is shit |
| 04:01.48 | sid | That too |
| 04:01.48 | hesco | !fixresolvconf |
| 04:01.48 | dpkg | ISP fucking with your /etc/resolv.conf file? Don't worry! just do echo -e "nameserver 4.2.2.1\nnameserver 168.126.63.1" > /etc/resolv.conf && chattr +i /etc/resolv.conf; as root, and your problems will be solved (permanently) a slightly more elegant solution is to use resolvconf instead, and specify the nameservers yourself, or to edit /etc/dhclient.conf |
| 04:01.51 | sid | heh |
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| 04:02.47 | Guerin | hesco: i found the above solutions was the only one which reliably stopped my isp from poisoning my dns |
| 04:03.02 | djdunham | I got DNS fixtures |
| 04:03.03 | hesco | Guerin: thanks for that tip. |
| 04:03.13 | djdunham | whats the prob? |
| 04:03.20 | Guerin | they wanted me to proxy through them with a secured proxy to which they failed to give me a password |
| 04:03.37 | djdunham | thats a problem.... for dns resolution? |
| 04:03.38 | Guerin | and thereby log all my traffic and such |
| 04:04.10 | Guerin | the upside of this isp was that they let me have 100mbit full-duplex uncapped internet |
| 04:04.24 | djdunham | copper line? |
| 04:04.33 | Guerin | fibre |
| 04:04.38 | djdunham | okay just checkin :) |
| 04:04.44 | djdunham | im like uuhh.. t1's dont go that fast. |
| 04:04.47 | Guerin | ethernet jack coming out of the wall with a dhcpd on the other end |
| 04:04.53 | djdunham | wow thats nice. |
| 04:04.54 | Guerin | djdunham: no shit. |
| 04:05.03 | djdunham | I was jk'in :) |
| 04:05.08 | djdunham | so... did u get the dns prob fixed |
| 04:05.49 | hesco | adding the immutable bit means it can't be rewritten, right? |
| 04:06.00 | Guerin | hesco: it means it can't be deleted or modified |
| 04:06.06 | djdunham | pewrms cant be changed hesco |
| 04:06.28 | hesco | what is pewrms mean? |
| 04:06.33 | djdunham | permissions* |
| 04:06.42 | hesco | oh, thanks |
| 04:07.09 | djdunham | okay.. off the wall question, i have two wireless ap's that i want to bridge, any mfg suggestions? |
| 04:07.28 | Guerin | argh, wireless |
| 04:07.41 | Guerin | i'm going to have to learn about that one of these days |
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| 04:07.55 | djdunham | its fun.. |
| 04:08.03 | djdunham | I think ti's very interesting.. |
| 04:08.21 | djdunham | I have a huge mp3 collection but my systems are in my home office, and my home theatre is of course is the den |
| 04:08.27 | djdunham | so I just bought this new receiver with 802.11 |
| 04:08.38 | djdunham | installed the software, and boom, i can wireless stream my music.. it's awesome |
| 04:08.44 | Guerin | I can see a laptopacting as an x terminal over wireless might be coolish |
| 04:09.18 | heycam | hi. i'm running unstable. i just dist-upgraded (hadn't done it for a few months) and i find that the squid package is missing. |
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| 04:09.22 | Guerin | but the fact is that you oly get several hours of battery before you have to plug in anyhow |
| 04:09.36 | heycam | i.e., apt tries to install version 2.6.3-1 of the package, but it's not on ftp.us.debian.org/... |
| 04:09.39 | Guerin | hesco: things like that happen with unstable. I reckon a shark probably ate it. |
| 04:09.50 | Guerin | hesco: aptitude update |
| 04:09.52 | djdunham | several hours? your lucky now with most maptops to get 1-2 |
| 04:09.56 | Guerin | heycam: |
| 04:10.05 | djdunham | heycam: so use backports, or source. |
| 04:10.05 | heycam | i did apt-get update |
| 04:10.15 | heycam | would aptitude update do something different? |
| 04:10.17 | Guerin | djdunham: huh, my t42 gets 3 without really doing anythinhing |
| 04:10.19 | heycam | what is backports |
| 04:10.22 | Guerin | heycam: no |
| 04:10.41 | djdunham | i dunno, i just hear people say it all the time -- i think its a repository of older ports/pkgs that were removed |
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| 04:10.47 | djdunham | or are no longer being tracked. |
| 04:10.47 | heycam | actually is there an easy way to install a previous version (that might be there)? |
| 04:10.49 | hesco | Guerin: I'm building a new server, net installed a couple of days ago, still at stable. So far only a couple of packages built from source, the rest straight out of Debian stabl;e |
| 04:11.00 | heycam | or does the package repository only have the latest? |
| 04:11.14 | djdunham | heycam: thats what im saying |
| 04:11.17 | djdunham | backports is a apt place |
| 04:11.19 | djdunham | that has old shit |
| 04:11.40 | djdunham | ya know? |
| 04:11.44 | heycam | googling now |
| 04:12.00 | Guerin | !bpo |
| 04:12.01 | dpkg | i heard backports.org is an unofficial repository of backports for the current stable distribution, prepared by Debian developers. Beware that if you add backports.org to your sources.list, you will get *all* backports when you upgrade. Read http://backports.org/dokuwiki/doku.php?id=instructions on how to only get specific backports. ask me about <backports> |
| 04:12.13 | heycam | oh, stable.. |
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| 04:13.03 | heycam | can i list both unstable and testing in my sources.list file, and tell apt somehow that i want to grab squid from testing? |
| 04:13.13 | djdunham | yes |
| 04:13.17 | djdunham | cuz its BACKports |
| 04:13.19 | djdunham | just dont do apt-update. |
| 04:13.25 | Guerin | heycam: that usually works |
| 04:13.46 | heycam | was thinking of just using the latest testing, rather than backports. |
| 04:13.53 | heycam | the syntax to apt-get is eluding me tho... |
| 04:13.57 | djdunham | then use source. |
| 04:13.57 | Guerin | heycam: backports are for stable, not unsatable |
| 04:14.01 | heycam | right |
| 04:14.16 | Guerin | so if you're running unstable, you have no need for backports, nor would tey work |
| 04:14.29 | djdunham | oh, then excuse me -- i was wrong.. told ya i really didnt know |
| 04:14.38 | djdunham | thanks for clearing that up for me too guerin. |
| 04:14.44 | heycam | ok. so i want to do something like... apt-get install --from-distro testing squid |
| 04:15.12 | Guerin | anapivirtujshame on you for ircing as windows root |
| 04:15.20 | Guerin | meh |
| 04:15.22 | Guerin | joejaxx: |
| 04:15.27 | Guerin | damn this lag |
| 04:15.32 | enouf | heycam: apt-get install -t testing squid |
| 04:15.36 | joejaxx | Guerin: yes? |
| 04:15.41 | heycam | aha! |
| 04:15.57 | FarrisG | Apt-get update is complaining that /var/lib/apt/lists/* files aren't there, but isn't it supposed to create those files WHEN you apt-get update? |
| 04:15.58 | Guerin | joejaxx: shame for ircing as windows root |
| 04:16.00 | enouf | heycam: -t = target - see man preferences |
| 04:16.02 | Guerin | SHAAME |
| 04:16.11 | hesco | Query me this, please: |
| 04:16.12 | hesco | a2enmod ssl.load |
| 04:16.12 | hesco | This module does not exist! |
| 04:16.18 | enouf | darn insert crap - see apt_references |
| 04:16.20 | Guerin | FarrisG: it'll warn you if they're not there, then create tenm |
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| 04:16.30 | enouf | apt_preferences* |
| 04:17.42 | heycam | great, that worked, thanks Guerin |
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| 04:18.08 | hesco | but when I try to apt-get install libapache-mod-ssl, it wants to add apache-common, as well, which I though was a 1.3 sort of thing. But I already have apache2 installed here. What is to be made of that? |
| 04:18.26 | djdunham | apache common libraries |
| 04:18.40 | FarrisG | FarrisG: But mu update is failing, and complaining that there aren't there |
| 04:18.55 | djdunham | and i think theres an libapache2 or modssl is w/ apache2 when u compile it or something |
| 04:19.01 | djdunham | or its a module |
| 04:19.05 | djdunham | its really easy. |
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| 04:19.23 | stew | hesco: libapache-mod-ssl is apache1, apache2 includes ssl |
| 04:19.28 | jshriver | greetings can someone help me with an X/gdm/startx/xinit problem |
| 04:19.34 | karsten | jshriver: Depends. |
| 04:19.44 | karsten | jshriver: Particularly on whether you can describe the problem. |
| 04:19.45 | jshriver | when I run startx from root, it all loads fine... I see after startx it runs xinit and a ton of gnome apps |
| 04:19.55 | jshriver | when I try from userland, it only loads X |
| 04:20.04 | jshriver | verified this via "ps aux | tail" |
| 04:20.08 | djdunham | you have a profile set somewhere... |
| 04:20.22 | jshriver | problem started when I couldn't load into gdm... just runs X and nothing, but startx from root works fine.. |
| 04:20.27 | karsten | jshriver: Look for .xinitrc or .xsession or .Xsession under root / user environments. |
| 04:20.34 | jshriver | hrm brb let me see.. |
| 04:21.16 | karsten | jshriver: By default 'startx' either loads the system default xsession or generally dumps you to a "failsafe" xterm-only session. |
| 04:21.18 | jshriver | hrm no .xinitrc .xsession or .Xsession inder /root |
| 04:21.26 | karsten | jshriver: ... which means you've got something different. |
| 04:21.32 | karsten | jshriver: ... and under user's home? |
| 04:21.43 | jshriver | nothing under /root or /home/username |
| 04:21.47 | jshriver | that matches those files |
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| 04:21.50 | karsten | OK. |
| 04:22.03 | Pedrim | !help |
| 04:22.09 | karsten | jshriver: What do you _want_ to happen? |
| 04:22.10 | jshriver | I'm running xorg under Ubuntu, but noone in #ubuntu seems to want to help.. been a long user of debian thought I'd try here lol |
| 04:22.18 | karsten | !ubuntu |
| 04:22.19 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntu.com/ and/or visit #ubuntu, on irc.freenode.net. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 04:22.21 | jshriver | ideally gdm loads and when I login I get back to my desktop |
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| 04:22.38 | hesco | stew: that's what I thought, that ssl comes with apache2. But if so, why does a2enmod ssl.load give me: This module does not exist!, even as I look at it in /etc/apache2/mods-available? |
| 04:22.43 | karsten | jshriver: Please get Ubuntu support from an Ubuntu support channel or list. |
| 04:22.53 | jshriver | startx from root does everythign that gdm use to do for my user account |
| 04:22.54 | djdunham | check the symlink |
| 04:23.00 | jshriver | hrm already tried... |
| 04:23.08 | djdunham | you have to load it in the directory hesco, and make sure its moved |
| 04:23.38 | jshriver | so it seems something specific to how X is loaded.. basically when I run X from the user it's not running xinit |
| 04:23.56 | jshriver | either from manual startx or gdm. |
| 04:24.14 | karsten | jshriver: Repeat: don't expect Ubuntu support in #debian. |
| 04:24.18 | hesco | djdunham: I was root in the /etc/apache2/mods-available folder when I ran it |
| 04:24.26 | jshriver | sigh.. thought they were basically the same thing.. |
| 04:24.34 | karsten | !tell jshriver about ubuntu |
| 04:24.38 | omry_ | trying to strip a newline with sed: sed s/\n// , what's wrong with it? |
| 04:24.43 | karsten | !tell jshriver about not debian |
| 04:24.46 | djdunham | 711 maybe |
| 04:24.47 | jshriver | thanks for at least responding though :) |
| 04:24.49 | djdunham | er 755 maybe |
| 04:24.53 | djdunham | brb |
| 04:24.59 | jshriver | thanks for the info |
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| 04:25.11 | hesco | omry_: try escaping the backslash. |
| 04:25.33 | omry_ | hesco, hmm, but the backslash is to escape the newline |
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| 04:26.21 | hesco | I did this successfully about a week or so ago, then tried it on another file yesterday and got stuck, somehow. |
| 04:26.35 | omry_ | hesco, newline stript? |
| 04:26.42 | hesco | the sed to strip the newlines, I mean |
| 04:26.46 | omry_ | ah |
| 04:26.58 | omry_ | strange, looks like its supposed to work. |
| 04:27.33 | hesco | I know, frustrating. How does "s/\\\n//g" look to you? |
| 04:28.16 | omry_ | hesco, like its not working for me. |
| 04:28.19 | hesco | Actually I think yesterday I was trying to insert newlines, instead |
| 04:28.27 | omry_ | but its hard to say, with newlines. |
| 04:28.33 | omry_ | hard to be sure :) |
| 04:30.33 | sparr_ | where might i find documentation for the sys_sync and/or sys_fsync syscalls? |
| 04:30.35 | karsten | sparr_: manpages-dev |
| 04:30.35 | omry_ | hesco, got another idea for a tool for the job? |
| 04:30.35 | omry_ | its just a damn newline :) |
| 04:30.38 | karsten | omry_: Trying to strip newlines? 'tr -s '\n' '' |
| 04:30.39 | sparr_ | karsten: thanks |
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| 04:32.19 | fedx | is there a way to mount an ftp site as a network dive/ |
| 04:32.22 | fedx | ? |
| 04:32.36 | omry_ | karsten, no luck. it spits some error. |
| 04:32.51 | omry_ | tr: when not truncating set1, string2 must be non-empty |
| 04:32.52 | hesco | This just worked to split up comma separated email addresses onto distinct lines: |
| 04:32.54 | hesco | cat text_file | sed "s/),(/\n/g" |
| 04:33.43 | karsten | omry_: Sorry, what's the error? |
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| 04:33.52 | karsten | omry_: I missed part of your original question. |
| 04:34.30 | karsten | hesco: < tr -s ',' '\n' |
| 04:34.35 | karsten | hesco: ... should do the same thing. |
| 04:34.43 | hesco | But then, this failed to put them back together: |
| 04:34.45 | hesco | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:34.57 | karsten | hesco: ... where it's: file < tr -s ',' '\n' |
| 04:35.20 | karsten | hesco: For the second: tr -s '\n' ', ' |
| 04:35.21 | hesco | karsten, the tr man page has been on my reading list for years. |
| 04:35.32 | karsten | hesco: ... if you want to seperate by comma, space. |
| 04:35.38 | karsten | hesco: awk is also pretty good at stuff like this. |
| 04:36.06 | hesco | awk, another one on the to read stack |
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| 04:36.09 | karsten | hesco: tr is pretty much just a simple translate utility. I mostly use it for rot13 and dos2unix/unix2dos conversions. |
| 04:36.16 | karsten | hesco: Do you do any perl? |
| 04:36.28 | karsten | hesco: What's your input and what's your desired output? |
| 04:36.37 | hesco | mostly perl and bash these days, and sql of course. |
| 04:36.47 | karsten | hesco: awk is a proper subset of perl. |
| 04:37.14 | hesco | karsten, try fromdos, part of the sysutils package |
| 04:37.23 | karsten | hesco: Yeah, I know. |
| 04:37.36 | karsten | There's times it's not on systems, I'm not always lucky enough to be using Debian. |
| 04:38.33 | hesco | understood. |
| 04:39.42 | hesco | yeah, perl's $text .= chomp($_); in a while loop would make short order of that newline issue, I'd guess. |
| 04:40.34 | omry_ | karsten, hesco, wasn't here for a few minutes. so anything in the above scripts actually work ? :) |
| 04:40.51 | karsten | hesco: awk reads input over newlines. You can store values to an array/hash, then loop back over that to output. |
| 04:41.15 | karsten | omry_: I still don't know what the original question was, which would be useful ;-) |
| 04:41.31 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 04:41.32 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 04:41.36 | tarzeau | more than 15000 debian users! |
| 04:41.45 | omry_ | karsten, your suggestion, yielded the output tr: when not truncating set1, string2 must be non-empty |
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| 04:42.42 | omry_ | karsten, tr -s '\n' '' |
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| 04:42.52 | keram | hey |
| 04:43.02 | keram | i recently installed debian and wanted to upgrade to etch |
| 04:43.10 | karsten | omry_: Yeah. 'tr -d "\n" |
| 04:43.17 | karsten | omry_: ... eg: delete newlines. |
| 04:43.27 | keram | the default sources.list file has a security entry with main contrib at the end |
| 04:43.29 | karsten | omry_: '-s' == substitute. You can't do a null substitution. |
| 04:43.40 | keram | when i update to etch should i keep that contrib part? |
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| 04:49.02 | DaveLib | hello i am running sarge i presently have fetchmail running as a daemon started by init in run levels 2-5 polling my isp by pop3 to fetch my mail into local mail |
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| 04:49.26 | DaveLib | i just got a gmail account and i am thinking of making it my main email |
| 04:49.32 | dimitri1 | how would i use grep to find this line in files: if ($userid == $_SESSION['id']) { echo "style=color:#cc0033;" } |
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| 04:50.20 | DaveLib | i thought i would like to leave the fetchmail package installed in case i need it for something later for example if i change my mind about gmail |
| 04:50.45 | stew | dimitri1: grep -F "if ($userid == $_SESSION['id']) { echo \"style=color:#cc0033;\" }" list_of_files |
| 04:50.58 | DaveLib | so i thought i would go all my other mail accounts and forward them to my gmail account |
| 04:51.24 | dimitri1 | stew |
| 04:51.25 | dimitri1 | travers@ashley [~/public_html]# grep -F "if ($userid == $_SESSION['id']) { echo \"style=color:#cc0033;\" }" * |
| 04:51.25 | dimitri1 | travers@ashley [~/public_html]# |
| 04:51.30 | dimitri1 | it doesn't find anything hmm ... |
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| 04:51.34 | DaveLib | but i want to remove the init startup of fetchmail |
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| 04:52.43 | DaveLib | so would i just do: sudo update-rc.d fetchmail remove ? |
| 04:52.46 | hesco | DaveLib: man update-rc.d |
| 04:52.50 | stew | dimitri1: then none of the files contained that string... |
| 04:52.57 | DaveLib | thx hesco |
| 04:53.02 | stew | dimitri1: oh, wait |
| 04:53.11 | stew | dimitri1: you need to escapte the $'s too |
| 04:53.14 | dimitri1 | ok |
| 04:53.21 | stew | maybe |
| 04:53.42 | stew | yeah |
| 04:53.48 | dimitri1 | thanks :-) |
| 04:53.56 | DaveLib | hesco: that man page says the remove option is normally invoked when apackage is being purged |
| 04:54.01 | karsten | dimitri1: AFAIU gmail supports pop. |
| 04:54.16 | karsten | dimitri1: NM. |
| 04:54.35 | DaveLib | karsten: yes i think i saw that about pop in the gmail help |
| 04:54.56 | karsten | DaveLib: ... gmail supports POP. Meaning you can collect your gmail with fetchmail. If you want to retain the ability to hit it via web as well, just leave the mail on the server. |
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| 04:55.17 | karsten | DaveLib: update-rc.d will modify your init session. |
| 04:55.45 | Guerin | fetchmail is one of the evilest configs there is |
| 04:55.49 | karsten | DaveLib: update-rc.d -f fetchmail remove |
| 04:55.50 | hesco | for i in ls /etc/rc?.d/; do mv Snnfetchmail Knnfetchmail; done |
| 04:55.51 | Guerin | though not as bad as offlineimap |
| 04:55.52 | DaveLib | anyway i am asking before doing it if it is ok for me to manually sudo update-rc.d fetchmail remove without purging or removing ther fetchmail package |
| 04:56.08 | karsten | DaveLib: ... should do that. Will remove all the configs. Or man update-rc.d for more info. |
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| 04:56.38 | karsten | DaveLib: Alternatively you can disable daemonized fetchmail and simply run it from shell, or cron, or whatever, as needed. |
| 04:56.42 | fedx | is there a way to mount an ftp site in my home directory without root? |
| 04:56.49 | fedx | as a filesystem |
| 04:56.51 | hesco | update-rc.d should only affect the symlinks to the init.d start scripts in the run levels you specify |
| 04:56.53 | Guerin | fedx: why would you mount a ftp directory? |
| 04:56.55 | DaveLib | yes i did man update-rc.d and in there it said the remove option normally comes up during a package pruge |
| 04:56.58 | karsten | hesco: update-rc.d is recommended as IIRC debconf then won't restore the symlinks. |
| 04:57.02 | Guerin | fedx: just use a ftp client like a sane person |
| 04:57.15 | karsten | fedx: Possibly. userfs gives you tricks like that. |
| 04:57.28 | fedx | karsten: ok thanks |
| 04:57.49 | karsten | fedx: But it's sort of in-development. I'd use a browser (lftp, mc, konqueror) myself. |
| 04:57.50 | DaveLib | also man update-rc.d said for remove i firsdt hafta rm the /etc/init.d/fetchmail script |
| 04:58.03 | Guerin | i got a call from my boss saying that there's a piss-up tonight |
| 04:58.10 | Guerin | that was the term he used |
| 04:58.14 | karsten | DaveLib: Hence the '-f' force. Doesn't require removing script. |
| 04:58.21 | karsten | Guerin: "piss-up". |
| 04:58.23 | Guerin | i think this might be a good company to work for |
| 04:58.30 | DaveLib | update-rc.d checks its rm'd before ahh ok thx karsten re -f |
| 04:58.32 | karsten | Guerin: But I thought that's what you *all* did in NZ. ;-) |
| 04:58.34 | hesco | I need to generate an sysutils for /etc/apache2/ssl, but my server where my cheat scripts to handle this is stored has been down for most of my most recent trip. Any pointers as to how to handle this? |
| 04:58.34 | Guerin | karsten: it means 'drinking session' |
| 04:58.55 | Guerin | karsten: some sectors of society like to pretend otherwise |
| 04:59.34 | Guerin | where's liable |
| 04:59.49 | DaveLib | ok so i do sudo update-rc.d -f fetchmail remove and forward all my other accounts to gmail and that should be evetrything i need to do and should be ok? |
| 04:59.50 | Guerin | i'm sure they must have pees-ahps in Straya |
| 04:59.57 | hesco | DaveLib: have you customize fetchmail some how? Debian will put it back if you ever need to. Why not simply apt-get remove fetchmail? Your config files should survive unless you purge it |
| 05:00.32 | karsten | DaveLib: Aye. |
| 05:00.33 | DaveLib | well ok hesco i just thot to save reinstalling it i didnt customize fetchmail |
| 05:00.51 | karsten | Guerin: And more vowels! |
| 05:00.58 | hesco | are you on a dialup or something? |
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| 05:01.18 | DaveLib | no high speed ya its not a big deal to reinstall |
| 05:01.43 | karsten | fedx: FUSE == Filesystem In Userspace |
| 05:01.49 | karsten | Guerin: Been there. |
| 05:01.49 | hesco | any ideas around here for generating that apache.pem file? |
| 05:01.53 | karsten | Guerin: They kicked me out. |
| 05:02.01 | karsten | Guerin: Said I didn't meet their social standards. |
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| 05:02.18 | DaveLib | btw does my decision abt primary mail = gmail good decision? any drawbacks |
| 05:02.20 | Guerin | itym thay keek'd me aut |
| 05:02.21 | DaveLib | ? |
| 05:02.34 | karsten | DaveLib: That's really your call. |
| 05:02.42 | karsten | DaveLib: If it works for you, bottoms up, mate! |
| 05:02.57 | fedx | karsten: fuse is pretty rare in shell accounts/linux hosts |
| 05:03.06 | DaveLib | i have been so far using local mail in text mode only: rmail in emacs |
| 05:03.24 | karsten | fedx: See the first response you got: use an FTP client. |
| 05:03.33 | fedx | karsten: would if i could |
| 05:03.35 | karsten | DaveLib: mutt myself, and I wouldn't have it any other way. |
| 05:03.56 | DaveLib | when i was setting up kate in suse the advisoriwes told me about the option of enabling html mail that it was potentially insecure so i stayed with text mail |
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| 05:04.19 | karsten | fedx: Are you attempting to set this up on a local system or shell account to which you have no root (and must scream)? |
| 05:04.20 | DaveLib | but now with gmail mbbe i can safely enter the wonderful world of graphical mail |
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| 05:04.57 | karsten | DaveLib: While I haven't tried GMail yet, every last single GUI mailer I've used has sucked rocks compared to mutt. |
| 05:05.19 | fedx | karsten: yes. |
| 05:05.22 | DaveLib | my isp gave me a yahoo mail account with their webmail |
| 05:05.48 | DaveLib | i used it breifly then switched out of that to fetchmail fetching into rmail in emacs |
| 05:05.48 | hesco | OK, found this: http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/ssl/ssl_faq.html#selfcert |
| 05:05.54 | karsten | DaveLib: MS Outlook (97-2003), Netscape Mail, Thunderbird, OS X Mail.app, Evolution, Eudora Pro... |
| 05:06.02 | karsten | fedx: Um, sorry, wrong answer. |
| 05:06.07 | DaveLib | but gmail looks good |
| 05:06.10 | karsten | fedx: That was an either/or question. |
| 05:06.39 | Guerin | gmail is unusable |
| 05:06.39 | Guerin | too much javascript |
| 05:06.41 | Guerin | and pain |
| 05:06.54 | fedx | karsten: uh shell |
| 05:06.58 | karsten | Guerin: Has gmail ever broken your collerbone? |
| 05:07.09 | karsten | fedx: Um. And you can't use an FTP client why? |
| 05:07.20 | fedx | karsten: nature of the task |
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| 05:07.48 | karsten | fedx: So, we can play 20 questions for the rest of the evening or you could elucidate us all at once. |
| 05:07.48 | Guerin | karsten: no, only gravity has that power over me |
| 05:07.53 | karsten | fedx: .... we're bracing for the shock. |
| 05:08.06 | karsten | Guerin: Is david aware of this fact? |
| 05:08.18 | fedx | gah. i need to transfar a file directly from one ftp to another |
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| 05:08.30 | karsten | fedx: Ah... warez. |
| 05:08.32 | Guerin | karsten: if not, he will be soon enough. |
| 05:08.32 | fedx | no |
| 05:08.37 | fedx | not warez |
| 05:08.43 | DaveLib | oops my emacs running erc to connect me to irc just died |
| 05:09.19 | DaveLib | anyway i keep hearing gmail is best webmail |
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| 05:09.34 | DaveLib | i didnt like yahoo webmail wanted back to local mail |
| 05:09.53 | karsten | DaveLib: there are categories where being best really isn't an accomplishment... |
| 05:10.02 | karsten | DaveLib: ... that said, yeah, some folks like it. |
| 05:10.08 | DaveLib | ya :) |
| 05:10.37 | DaveLib | they use "labels" ie tags as a way to organize mail that sounds good |
| 05:11.09 | iter | webmail is just a supplement to a real mail client |
| 05:11.10 | karsten | Guerin: What's that ftp-to-ftp-from-third-site transfer thing the warez kiddie5 are always asking about? |
| 05:11.19 | Guerin | fxp |
| 05:11.37 | iter | haha |
| 05:11.37 | karsten | DaveLib: mutt's search-by subsetting works wonders for me. |
| 05:11.37 | Guerin | no idea if there's any real software available for it though |
| 05:11.37 | DaveLib | anyway i guess i will do apt-get remove fetchmail |
| 05:11.44 | karsten | DaveLib: 10k+ messages per folder. Upwards of 100k messages in some. |
| 05:11.49 | DaveLib | i never used mutt dont know that feature |
| 05:11.57 | karsten | DaveLib: Do a remove, not purge, preserve your config files. |
| 05:12.03 | karsten | DaveLib: ... you can always reinstall it later. |
| 05:12.11 | DaveLib | ok will do karsten thx |
| 05:12.15 | iter | karsten: Guerin: pftp ? |
| 05:12.17 | DaveLib | re remove not purge |
| 05:12.18 | karsten | Guerin: thanks. |
| 05:12.32 | iter | also lftp does fxp very well |
| 05:12.39 | DaveLib | does mutt do html mail? |
| 05:12.39 | Guerin | karsten: you can always rely on me to be your in to the warez kiddy subculture |
| 05:12.46 | karsten | iter: no, it's a way of using your local host to manage a transfer between two other (remote) FTP sites. |
| 05:12.58 | iter | karsten: um, thanks |
| 05:13.20 | iter | now go have a look at lftp -O |
| 05:13.20 | Guerin | omg, I'm already wearing one |
| 05:13.50 | Guerin | DaveLib: yes, it can spawn a reader for html as you wish |
| 05:14.01 | karsten | iter: Interesting, good info |
| 05:14.18 | iter | lftp #1 cli ftp client |
| 05:14.35 | karsten | DaveLib: My mutt config handles html, doc, and excel transparently at console. |
| 05:15.02 | karsten | DaveLib: ... or I can launch viewers on specific attachments as desired, if I'm locally connected, full GUI if there's an X session. |
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| 05:15.13 | karsten | DaveLib: ... or even remotely if I'm SSH-tunneling X11. |
| 05:15.34 | sparr_ | I am calling sys_write (using ARM asm opcode SWI) to write to stdout and my output is being buffered even though it is redirected to a file. What options do I have to eliminate the buffering, or to flush the buffer at will? I tried sys_sync and sys_fsync(1), no help. Perhaps there are terminal settings involved? |
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| 05:15.57 | karsten | DaveLib: Plus: threaded posts, header cleanup, great filtering, tag-and-operate capabilities, view limiting. |
| 05:16.15 | karsten | DaveLib: ... all at the keyboard, so no "move hand to mouse, navigate menu, go" crud to et through. |
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| 05:16.45 | karsten | DaveLib: ... oh, and integrated gnupg support for signed / encrypted mails. |
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| 05:18.37 | hesco | I don't seem to be able to restart apache2 now. |
| 05:19.03 | hesco | ps aux | grep apache returns only my grep command |
| 05:19.34 | hesco | Even though /etc/init.d/apache2 start, said: |
| 05:19.36 | e-type | hesco: try httpd ;) |
| 05:20.05 | hesco | Starting web server: Apache2 |
| 05:20.17 | hesco | e-type: I did, same result. |
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| 05:20.37 | karsten | hesco: try running it non-daemonized with debug output enabled. Or look at server / error logs. |
| 05:20.55 | karsten | hesco: BTW: ps aux | grep [c]ommand |
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| 05:21.04 | karsten | hesco: ... won't match the grep process. |
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| 05:22.52 | DaveLib | hello i just caught up again i was off in another window forwarding my isp mail to gmail and turning off the fetchmail daemon |
| 05:23.14 | karsten | DaveLib: OK |
| 05:23.32 | DaveLib | mutt sounds impressive |
| 05:23.52 | karsten | DaveLib: it rawks. Takes a while to get up to speed on it, but it's very, very sweet. |
| 05:24.02 | DaveLib | wow i have it here |
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| 05:24.15 | karsten | DaveLib: Of course you do, you're running Debian. |
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| 05:24.52 | karsten | DaveLib: I believe it may be installed by default as a standard mail interface. That or mailx. |
| 05:25.07 | karsten | DaveLib: ... yeah, it's standard. |
| 05:25.14 | hesco | ok, logs say: Init: Private key not found |
| 05:25.36 | hesco | SSL Library Error: 218710120 error:0D094068:asn1 encoding routines:d2i_ASN1_SET:bad tag |
| 05:25.37 | DaveLib | yes bcz i dont remem explicitly installing it |
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| 05:25.47 | hesco | SSL Library Error: 218529960 error:0D0680A8:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_CHECK_TLEN:wrong tag |
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| 05:25.59 | karsten | hesco: You've set up your ssl keys incorrectly. |
| 05:26.00 | hesco | SSL Library Error: 218595386 error:0D07803A:asn1 encoding routines:ASN1_ITEM_EX_D2I:nested asn1 error |
| 05:26.10 | hesco | apparently. |
| 05:26.11 | DaveLib | i just did dpkg-query -s mutt it says key bindings like elm i used to use elm |
| 05:26.48 | DaveLib | ahh i have mailx too |
| 05:27.28 | DaveLib | i did a netinstall of this sarge from the base i installed a further core system with defaults in aptitude |
| 05:27.32 | karsten | DaveLib: oh, and both also work as shell mailers: df | mutt -s "Current disk utilization" user@example.com |
| 05:27.39 | DaveLib | maybe that brought all that stuff in |
| 05:28.05 | DaveLib | ahh neat re shell mailer |
| 05:28.08 | karsten | DaveLib: ... sends the ouptut of 'df' as the body of the mail. Same trick with mailx if you want. Difference being that if you've got, say, send hooks to copy sent mail to a folder, mutt will do that for you. |
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| 05:28.19 | karsten | DaveLib: Yeah, integrate that with system alerts to send yourself pages, etc. |
| 05:28.24 | karsten | DaveLib: ... or annoy your friends ;-) |
| 05:28.28 | DaveLib | haha |
| 05:29.51 | DaveLib | hey so far my email fetching into local mail i have xbiff running in my gnome for alerts |
| 05:30.09 | DaveLib | so i was wondering about this |
| 05:30.10 | karsten | biff. |
| 05:30.18 | karsten | Most. Famous. Hacker. Dog. Evar. |
| 05:30.45 | DaveLib | fetchmail -c checks mail with no fetching or deleting returns exit code show if new mail |
| 05:31.03 | karsten | DaveLib: Correct. |
| 05:31.07 | DaveLib | ahh biff: the window says biff but i found a man page for xbiff |
| 05:31.09 | karsten | DaveLib: Just checks for new mail. |
| 05:31.25 | karsten | DaveLib: You can also use IIRC 'popclient' to preview headers, etc. |
| 05:31.36 | karsten | DaveLib: ... or just netcat to your pop server and talk POP at it. |
| 05:31.46 | karsten | DaveLib: It gets all weak in the knees when you do that. |
| 05:31.50 | DaveLib | so biff or xbif f default is it polls your mailbox file to check size change to know when new mail and alert you |
| 05:32.13 | DaveLib | but other option you tell it a shell command it should use instead to test for new mail |
| 05:32.25 | karsten | DaveLib: Yeah, roughly. I haven't kept track of any recent changes, the original idea was just "hrm, mailbox is bigger than the lsat time". |
| 05:32.29 | DaveLib | so i thot: tell biff shell comannd fetchmail -c |
| 05:33.00 | DaveLib | but biff said it was by widgets or something |
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| 05:33.26 | DaveLib | gmail has a notifier program but its only for winders & mac |
| 05:33.56 | karsten | DaveLib: I'm positive there's remote notifications for gmail/linux, just no idea what they are. GIYF. |
| 05:33.59 | DaveLib | ie you can download a notifier program from gmail to notify you abt gmail |
| 05:34.16 | DaveLib | ahh thx karsten |
| 05:34.44 | karsten | http://www.google.com/search?q=gmail+notifier+linux&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8] |
| 05:34.47 | karsten | First hit. |
| 05:35.25 | karsten | Gawd that would be annoying. |
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| 05:35.44 | DaveLib | ok ya i found some too |
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| 05:37.36 | DaveLib | my only installs into this sarge have been deb repos's & backports & googleearth into my home dir |
| 05:37.58 | karsten | How is GoogleEarth/Linux? |
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| 05:39.05 | DaveLib | wow! try it! |
| 05:39.13 | karsten | OK ;-) |
| 05:39.16 | DaveLib | ya googleearth linux |
| 05:39.17 | karsten | I've used it under Mac OSX. |
| 05:39.26 | DaveLib | ahh ok so you saw it b4 |
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| 05:39.30 | karsten | I'm a little anemic here, 800 MHz, 500 MB. |
| 05:39.41 | karsten | Yeah, it absolutely rawks. |
| 05:39.42 | DaveLib | the only i have seen of googleearth is on my linuxes |
| 05:39.52 | karsten | And that's from a guy who more or less doesn't care for GUI apps. |
| 05:39.58 | DaveLib | we have windows 98 here but thats the highest |
| 05:40.04 | karsten | <coff> |
| 05:40.12 | karsten | On the one hand: old dead shit. |
| 05:40.17 | DaveLib | so we cant do windows |
| 05:41.01 | karsten | On the other hand: it's actually better than the newer stuff from a security standpoint. |
| 05:41.01 | DaveLib | on the other hand: i am not buying anything new from microsoft :) |
| 05:41.01 | DaveLib | ahh ya |
| 05:41.01 | karsten | Yeah, it's funny how out of date MSFT stuff doesn't let you do anything. |
| 05:41.15 | DaveLib | i ran windows 3.1 for ages |
| 05:41.16 | karsten | I have WinNT WS40 and booted it under qemu a ways back. |
| 05:41.26 | DaveLib | long after it was obsolete |
| 05:41.38 | karsten | I couldn't even get clamwin running on it. |
| 05:41.42 | DaveLib | i resented having to get new stuff all the time |
| 05:41.59 | karsten | For grins I'll go and look at the old UI screenshots and it shocks me at how primitive that stuff was. |
| 05:42.07 | DaveLib | ya |
| 05:42.18 | DaveLib | it is so weird to look at computers from a few years ago |
| 05:42.22 | karsten | OTOH, they *did* manage to do useful stuff with really limited HW. |
| 05:42.34 | DaveLib | ya |
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| 05:42.48 | karsten | My first 'Nix used teletype. |
| 05:43.02 | DaveLib | my 1st linux was sls in 1994 that i installed iy well a friend did on a machine with 4 meg ram |
| 05:43.15 | karsten | Didn't get to Linux until RH 4.2 |
| 05:43.19 | karsten | Debian in '99. |
| 05:43.27 | DaveLib | ahh ya |
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| 05:43.52 | DaveLib | i only started debian around last decem i guess |
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| 05:44.11 | DaveLib | debian is my fave now and my main computer |
| 05:44.36 | cinix | Will update-notifier mark packages like aptitude does so that unused packages get removed automatically? |
| 05:44.40 | karsten | DaveLib: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=why+debian+rocks&btnG=Search |
| 05:44.41 | DaveLib | i remem when i first saw windows 98 wehen it was new it was so impressive |
| 05:44.59 | deadcat | karsten: i was just watching the news and guess what they were talking about? putting WIFI on public transportation.. in OAKLAND!!!! hahahahah its not gonna last. |
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| 05:45.32 | karsten | deadcat: No kidding. |
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| 05:45.59 | karsten | DaveLib: I recall the Win98 release hoopla. Struck me as over the top back then. |
| 05:46.16 | karsten | Or was it Win95 that was the first of the new GUI? |
| 05:46.22 | karsten | Yeah.... |
| 05:47.04 | deadcat | karsten: we talking about OAKLAND!!!.. i wonder who will be the first dumbass to use a laptop on a public bus in oakland (=.. i wont feel pitty for the dumbass. |
| 05:47.19 | DaveLib | yeah win95 was incredibler |
| 05:47.50 | karsten | deadcat: It's gonna be the dumbass using a laptop with a baseball bat across his lap. |
| 05:48.00 | DaveLib | that was the most any product in any industry in the history of the world had spent on marketing for the release of a new product |
| 05:48.21 | karsten | deadcat: Anyhow, there's a lot of territory in oakland, it's not all bad. |
| 05:48.25 | DaveLib | the rolling stones: start me up: 14 million $ |
| 05:48.27 | deadcat | karsten: you think that baseball bat is gonna do you any good? in oakland? |
| 05:48.36 | karsten | deadcat: Sure. |
| 05:48.41 | karsten | deadcat: I know just what do do with it. |
| 05:48.59 | deadcat | karsten: while a guy is pointing at you? |
| 05:49.01 | karsten | deadcat: "Hi, I'm Barry Bonds, this is what steroids will do to you. Now how can I help you brothers?" |
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| 05:53.54 | deadcat | karsten: i love bayarea news (= |
| 05:54.15 | karsten | deadcat: Yeah, yeah. |
| 05:54.25 | karsten | deadcat: How's concord treating you? |
| 05:54.37 | deadcat | i need to find a way to watch it once i move to sacramento next month though |
| 05:54.51 | karsten | deadcat: youtube & google video ;-0 |
| 05:54.58 | karsten | :-), even. |
| 05:55.16 | deadcat | karsten: nice here.. i am taken swimming for 2 weeks at dvc then drop it |
| 05:55.35 | karsten | deadcat: ? |
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| 05:55.49 | karsten | deadcat: parse error |
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| 05:56.28 | deadcat | karsten: dvc started on the 17th. i am currently taken a swimming class, sac state starts on the 5th. so i will drop the swim class next week. |
| 05:56.38 | karsten | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:56.46 | karsten | So you're transferring to SacState? |
| 05:56.51 | deadcat | ya. |
| 05:56.55 | karsten | What program? |
| 05:57.10 | deadcat | wont attend cabal until i get back during winter break |
| 05:57.15 | deadcat | karsten: history. |
| 05:57.29 | karsten | Cool. |
| 05:57.36 | karsten | Useless, but cool ;-) |
| 05:58.02 | deadcat | karsten: ya.. its true. useless. but something i am interested |
| 05:59.16 | DaveLib | dvc = diablo valley college ? |
| 05:59.20 | deadcat | ya |
| 05:59.23 | karsten | deadcat: Yes. |
| 05:59.27 | karsten | DaveLib: ^^ |
| 05:59.36 | karsten | DaveLib: deadcat lives on the hick side of the bay. |
| 05:59.54 | DaveLib | i am in ottawa canada now |
| 06:00.12 | karsten | DaveLib: Enjoy your next three minutes of summer. |
| 06:00.18 | DaveLib | haha ya |
| 06:00.37 | karsten | My roommate just moved back to Edmunton |
| 06:00.39 | DaveLib | i used to live in berkeley and i knew some1 who was a student at dvc |
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| 06:01.03 | DaveLib | i'll bet not to many ppl in ottawa know what dvc is :) |
| 06:01.07 | deadcat | DaveLib: i bet shes hot eh? (= |
| 06:01.36 | DaveLib | no a man and actually deceased now |
| 06:01.42 | deadcat | damn |
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| 06:02.04 | karsten | DaveLib: Sorry to hear that. |
| 06:02.10 | DaveLib | i saw you writing dvc and it rang a bell for me |
| 06:02.26 | deadcat | (= |
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| 06:02.32 | DaveLib | yes it was quite a surprise cornary disease |
| 06:02.42 | karsten | DaveLib: How old? |
| 06:02.54 | DaveLib | he was 54 that was abt 2 years ago |
| 06:03.11 | karsten | Yep. It's a quick death, usually, if that's any consolation. |
| 06:03.13 | DaveLib | he was attending dvc in the 1980s |
| 06:03.22 | deadcat | DaveLib: thats nothing. a 43 year old dies at the sf marathon. he was at mile 24. |
| 06:03.25 | karsten | Dig. You're an old-timre too? |
| 06:03.27 | DaveLib | tho he was already old for that |
| 06:03.41 | DaveLib | yes actually thts weird i am 54 now too |
| 06:03.55 | karsten | DaveLib: Consider the alternatives, y'know. |
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| 06:04.20 | DaveLib | so you are moving from concord to sacramento |
| 06:04.23 | karsten | 38, swimmer, local pool. *Very* cute set of summer guards. |
| 06:04.34 | knowall | i have a 2.6G Pentium with no-board Intel Extreme graphics using shared mem up to 64M. when i stream at fullscreen, the CPU 100% utilised, yet the sound races ahead of the video. or u can also say that the video is behind the sound. this is a video proceesing speed problem? |
| 06:04.35 | karsten | Apparently trying to guess my age, they had me pegged for 28. |
| 06:04.42 | deadcat | DaveLib: ya. |
| 06:04.56 | DaveLib | i hear sacramento gets vetry hot in summer |
| 06:05.03 | karsten | knowall: What X driver are you using, which server, and what Debian release (sarge, etch, etc.)? |
| 06:05.03 | deadcat | DaveLib: 109F |
| 06:05.07 | DaveLib | wow |
| 06:05.09 | karsten | deadcat: 100+. |
| 06:05.11 | karsten | DaveLib: ^^ |
| 06:05.17 | karsten | DaveLib: ... but it's a _dry_ heat. |
| 06:05.34 | knowall | karsten: xorg, debian etch r3.1 |
| 06:05.46 | karsten | knowall: OK, what's your X driver? Acellerated or not? |
| 06:05.53 | deadcat | karsten: did you started the LUGOD? (= |
| 06:05.54 | karsten | knowall: 'vesa' would be an "or not" answer. |
| 06:06.05 | karsten | deadcat: Nope. That was after my time. |
| 06:06.09 | Eclipser | 109F... that's not so bad, we have ~180F in our sauna every so often |
| 06:06.11 | DaveLib | i remem the weather reports coming in bay area the hills really changed things the hills between berk and concorde |
| 06:06.15 | deadcat | karsten: ah |
| 06:06.17 | karsten | deadcat: Technically, Linux just barely existed when I graduated. |
| 06:06.24 | liable | karsten: i guess you suddenly became a very poor swimmer in need of assitence?? :) |
| 06:06.28 | deadcat | old bastard (= |
| 06:06.29 | karsten | DaveLib: If you don't like the weather, drive a few miles. |
| 06:06.37 | karsten | liable: ...well, there is a story there.... |
| 06:06.43 | knowall | karsten: got to check it fr xorg.conf. hang on. |
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| 06:06.50 | karsten | knowall: NP. |
| 06:06.59 | DaveLib | i have xfree86 here bcz of sarge |
| 06:07.09 | karsten | DaveLib: Get with the program! |
| 06:07.19 | DaveLib | :) |
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| 06:07.28 | DaveLib | what distro are you running? |
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| 06:07.38 | karsten | DaveLib: testing/unstable |
| 06:07.42 | DaveLib | ya |
| 06:07.52 | karsten | DaveLib: Pinned to testing, but I can grab unstable packages in the case of a long-standing bug. |
| 06:07.55 | DaveLib | i started debian for the first time around last decem |
| 06:08.06 | DaveLib | so i started at stable |
| 06:08.11 | karsten | Not a bad plan. |
| 06:08.15 | deadcat | i have unstable. but my fucking computer hardware kinna suck. my agp video nvidia card shows up at pci.. wtf. |
| 06:08.17 | knowall | karsten: ection "Device" |
| 06:08.19 | knowall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.20 | knowall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.21 | knowall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.23 | knowall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.24 | knowall | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:08.26 | knowall | EndSection |
| 06:08.33 | deadcat | how this dude not get kicked? |
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| 06:08.39 | karsten | Stick with that for a few months, get familiar with packaging, install/configuration. |
| 06:08.39 | DaveLib | i hate hassles more than i like having nice perks |
| 06:08.56 | karsten | deadcat: Once there, the bump up to testing's actually pretty smooth. I've had very few warts. |
| 06:09.07 | DaveLib | hey in synaptic i picked my preferred distro as "stable" |
| 06:09.13 | karsten | knowall: OK, that's acellerated, but you're using a pretty modest card. Similar to what I frequently run. |
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| 06:09.25 | DaveLib | so my apt-prefeences file says that stable |
| 06:09.32 | karsten | knowall: Which video app? |
| 06:09.35 | knowall | karsten: i thought there is no accel. ? |
| 06:09.54 | knowall | karsten: i stream with mplayer. |
| 06:10.00 | karsten | knowall: Well, i810's better than bog-standard vesa, but it's a modest card. |
| 06:10.02 | DaveLib | so when etch is released witl my next apt-get upgrade be like a dist-upgrade |
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| 06:10.32 | karsten | knowall: OK. Not sure I can do much for you. There are some app-related tuning options but I haven't messed with them myself. |
| 06:11.05 | knowall | karsten: but there is no accel option set, may be that is the fix? |
| 06:11.06 | karsten | DaveLib: If you're tracking "stable" (release state rather than a named release), you'll upgrade when the next named release becomes stable. |
| 06:11.41 | karsten | knowall: Um. Not sure. Mostly I could just tell you if you had the option to try a different driver. What's 'lspci | grep -i vga' tell you, BTW? |
| 06:11.48 | karsten | knowall: Should be one line, paste here. |
| 06:12.57 | karsten | knowall: ... and your base CPU looks beefy enough to handle. |
| 06:13.02 | DaveLib | yes i am on "stable" not on "sarge" |
| 06:13.41 | knowall | karsten: the lspci cmd o/p: 0000:00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82865G Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 02) |
| 06:13.46 | deadcat | my computer shows dapper. dont know if thats stable/testing/unstable |
| 06:13.58 | karsten | deadcat: Um. Ubuntu! |
| 06:14.09 | karsten | !smite deadcat |
| 06:14.11 | deadcat | booo |
| 06:14.23 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:14.43 | knowall | karsten: when i stream fullscreen, CPU utilisation 100%. |
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| 06:15.05 | karsten | knowall: utilization or system load? |
| 06:15.31 | knowall | karsten: util., as shown with gkrellm. |
| 06:15.42 | liable | DaveLib: stable == sarge |
| 06:16.01 | karsten | knowall: I'll take your word for that. |
| 06:16.45 | g333k | HI Debianitas! |
| 06:16.57 | karsten | Y'know, Konqueror's find-in-page search *sucks*. |
| 06:17.03 | knowall | i think a graphics card will fix it. what is a suitable grpahics card for a 2.6G main CPU? |
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| 06:17.10 | deadcat | karsten: shit. konqueror SUCKS |
| 06:17.39 | karsten | deadcat: I'm using it more than Firefox. It doesn't consume RAM like there's no tomorrow. |
| 06:17.41 | deadcat | knowall: get one that will work well with AIGLX |
| 06:17.52 | karsten | deadcat: FX has better plugins though, I'll wot. |
| 06:17.53 | unix_infidel | knowall: i have an nv 5900xt in mine. |
| 06:18.03 | jetscreamer | build_sam_account: smbpasswd database is corrupt! username Debian-exim with uid 102 is not in unix passwd database! |
| 06:18.06 | unix_infidel | deadcat: why aiglx? |
| 06:18.10 | karsten | knowall: Googling on this, not coming up with much. |
| 06:18.11 | jetscreamer | what to do |
| 06:18.12 | knowall | deadcat: any brand? what is AIGLX for? |
| 06:18.20 | DaveLib | i did apt-cache search notifier bcz i thot i would prefer to get something from debian repo than a native project |
| 06:18.20 | deadcat | unix_infidel: its in experimental already |
| 06:18.33 | unix_infidel | deadcat: what's the advantage to having an aiglx card |
| 06:18.34 | karsten | knowall: GLX is high-end graphics stuff. |
| 06:18.47 | karsten | knowall: Very good 3d and video performance. |
| 06:19.17 | DaveLib | anyway xlassie in stable notifier ti says it will query pop so i guess thats prob what i want |
| 06:19.19 | karsten | knowall: ... and the shiny new "Mac OS X can kiss my shiny metal Linux ass" graphics hacks like rotating cube displays, waving windows, etc. |
| 06:19.27 | unix_infidel | is there anyway to downclock an gpu with the nvidia drivers? |
| 06:19.28 | DaveLib | gmail offers pop |
| 06:19.35 | knowall | karsten: Googleearth updates rather slowly for me now. will a card with GLX improve it? |
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| 06:19.51 | karsten | knowall: That and gobs of RAM. |
| 06:19.56 | jetscreamer | unix_infidel: enable coolbits |
| 06:19.59 | deadcat | knowall: big time |
| 06:20.22 | karsten | knowall: For setting view angle, yes, there's tons of 3D graphics generation going on, better video card should improve perfomrance. |
| 06:20.32 | DaveLib | knowall: ya googleearth says that me when it starts get hardware accel for a better time |
| 06:20.47 | unix_infidel | jetscreamer: downclock. |
| 06:20.59 | DaveLib | btw: you cant do xgl without hardware accel eh? |
| 06:21.04 | karsten | knowall: BTW, what version of googleearth? |
| 06:21.22 | knowall | karsten: the one for Linux. |
| 06:21.29 | unix_infidel | jetscreamer: how do yo uenable it? |
| 06:21.30 | knowall | beta, i think. |
| 06:21.34 | jetscreamer | unix_infidel: afaik if you can o/c it you can u/c it... one second |
| 06:21.47 | karsten | knowall: No sh*t. What build? |
| 06:22.01 | jetscreamer | #Option "Coolbits""1" |
| 06:22.11 | deadcat | the latest. fucking google earth will bitch at you about the latest version. |
| 06:22.17 | karsten | deadcat: OK. |
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| 06:22.24 | g333k | is it possible to install M$ internet explorer in linux? there are some pages that I cant see well in firefox, and I need to see them (banks...etc) |
| 06:22.25 | knowall | karsten: i think its beta 4.0, that is the only one available for linux. |
| 06:22.26 | jetscreamer | unix_infidel: ^^ |
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| 06:22.49 | liable | g333k: apparently it runs in wine |
| 06:22.50 | karsten | deadcat: ...and my first run of googleearth ... |
| 06:22.51 | deadcat | g333k: yes you can. i forgot the website. |
| 06:22.52 | karsten | ... updates it. |
| 06:22.54 | unix_infidel | jetscreamer: that enables the coolbits features, but then what do i do to underclock?> |
| 06:23.04 | knowall | so, how bout some graphics card name then? |
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| 06:23.15 | jetscreamer | g333k: all i can tell you is that the latest ff in sid seems to display web pages much better than it used to |
| 06:23.24 | jetscreamer | unix_infidel: nvidia-settings, iirc |
| 06:23.34 | karsten | deadcat: Yo, bling-dude, gfx cards, hop to it! |
| 06:23.43 | insmod | g333k: i had to for my wife to do her report cards online |
| 06:23.45 | unix_infidel | jetscreamer: ok, i'll give it a go when i reinstall linux and deb on the main box. |
| 06:23.46 | deadcat | i am getting the link (= |
| 06:23.50 | karsten | deadcat: ;-) |
| 06:23.54 | liable | knowall: either an ati, nvidia or intel, thats supported with open source drivers. google aiglx |
| 06:24.12 | unix_infidel | its really sad that my main box is only 2.6Ghz, 1GB pc3200, nv 5900xt :P |
| 06:24.12 | knowall | ok |
| 06:24.16 | g333k | insmod, Did you installed ie in linux? |
| 06:24.17 | karsten | knowall: deadcat knows all the toys. I'm a cheap old fart running what I've got. |
| 06:24.19 | jetscreamer | nvidia is much easier to install than fglrx, with the proprietary drivers |
| 06:24.21 | deadcat | knowall: ya. search for aiglx, my dns is slow |
| 06:24.27 | insmod | g333k: ya |
| 06:24.30 | karsten | g333k: You can installe MSIE6 under wine. |
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| 06:24.34 | knowall | ok, thks. |
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| 06:25.49 | karsten | deadcat: Is this ye olde ATI/Nvidia shootout, or are there other vendors? |
| 06:25.58 | karsten | deadcat: ... I also hear Intel's getting into the video space. |
| 06:26.18 | liable | some intels are supported |
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| 06:26.32 | DaveLib | wow that worked i just emailed to my isp mail and it showed up right away in my gmail account so the forwarding worked |
| 06:26.48 | deadcat | yes i am still pissed at my nvidia on my x86 and pissed at my ati on my ppc.. they both suck |
| 06:26.49 | karsten | DaveLib: Good to ya. |
| 06:27.20 | karsten | Y'know what GoogleEarth needs? |
| 06:27.21 | support | elo |
| 06:27.23 | karsten | Nude beaches. |
| 06:28.12 | karsten | knowall: And FYI, googleearth is *gobs* slower on Linux than it was on an OSX MacBook Pro. |
| 06:28.27 | deadcat | karsten: do you know that only ugly old dudes go to nude beaches? |
| 06:28.41 | vic | anyone helps, im trying to install apache in debian buti dont have 14cd of it, is there any alternatives? |
| 06:28.42 | liable | fat old pervs! |
| 06:28.50 | karsten | knowall: Mind, that's with half the ram, and a quarter the processor speed, but also a very much lesser graphics system. |
| 06:29.03 | deadcat | vic: use a mirror. forget the cds. thats so 1930s |
| 06:29.04 | karsten | deadcat: And what exactly do you have against ugly old dudes? |
| 06:29.17 | karsten | !tell vic about netinst |
| 06:29.21 | liable | vic: you can download everything from the net, you only need one cd to install debian |
| 06:29.36 | deadcat | karsten: nothing... they look good hahaha |
| 06:29.57 | knowall | karsten: in that case, it is to be expected. |
| 06:30.02 | hesco | time for another reboot |
| 06:30.05 | DaveLib | vic: i did a netinstall and i liked it |
| 06:30.06 | pinky_ | WTF is beta software doing in Etch???? Xcfe is beta, and it sucks ASS! There is a nasty memory leak in these packages! |
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| 06:30.33 | liable | xfce4 is beta? |
| 06:30.38 | pinky_ | Who the hell authorized a beta version of Xfce in testing? Should I bitch at the maintainer? |
| 06:30.42 | pinky_ | Yes! |
| 06:30.50 | pinky_ | The version in Etch is |
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| 06:30.57 | karsten | Well... |
| 06:31.06 | karsten | googleearth is sort of like watching paint dry ... |
| 06:31.16 | karsten | ... without all the speed and excitement. |
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| 06:31.29 | pinky_ | The latest stable of Xfce is 4.2.3.2, and the version in Etch is 4.3.90.2, which is also known as 4.4beta2. |
| 06:31.42 | pinky_ | Now who the hell put this shit in testing is what I want to know |
| 06:31.56 | knowall | karsten: what graphics card does your T21 have? |
| 06:32.04 | karsten | pinky_: While you're pulling xfce4 out of unstable, you might also want to install righteous-indignation, I think you're missing that. |
| 06:32.10 | pinky_ | The memory leak is fixed in svn, but that's no excuse to throw around beta packages with blatant memory leaks in testing |
| 06:32.19 | DaveLib | i just installed xlassie i am looking at the man page now |
| 06:32.29 | karsten | knowall: 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: S3 Inc. 86C270-294 Savage/IX-MV (rev 11) |
| 06:32.40 | karsten | knowall: ... and vesa driver. Anything else crashes frequently. |
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| 06:33.07 | knowall | karsten: how much mem does the graphics card have? |
| 06:33.15 | karsten | pinky_: If you've found a bug, file a bug. If it's fixed in unstable, pin to the fixed unstable version. |
| 06:33.49 | pinky_ | karsten: I'll have you know that the unstable has the *exact same version* of Xfce as testing does... a beta version! |
| 06:34.07 | karsten | knowall: Not sure. |
| 06:34.36 | karsten | pinky_: Cool. Now check the BTS and see if a bug's been filed. If not, file one and note that the package is fixed in upstream. |
| 06:34.57 | karsten | pinky_: The package maintainer should get that out shortly. |
| 06:35.10 | karsten | pinky_: That, my lad, is How Things Are Done here. |
| 06:35.23 | karsten | pinky_: Now, if you're not satisfied, you can fax me a dollar and I'll refund it to you. |
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| 06:35.49 | pinky_ | karsten: Additionally, I was under the impression that beta software usually doesn't file it's way into the testing branch of Debian. In that case, I see no reason why the indignation is anything other than righteous. |
| 06:36.08 | karsten | pinky_: I came to Casa Blanca for the waters. |
| 06:36.17 | karsten | pinky_: You've been misinformed. |
| 06:36.20 | Zewl | Maybe someone here know how I can find out what file is responsible for making the connections I see in netstat |
| 06:36.34 | deadcat | Zewl: /etc/services? |
| 06:36.43 | g333k | karsten, yes I got the scritp.... its pretty easy right? |
| 06:36.47 | karsten | pinky_: I can think of any number of dev projects which have been in testing/unstable for years. |
| 06:36.56 | karsten | g333k: Um. Which script, sorry, losing track of threads. |
| 06:37.13 | vic | i already installed debian |
| 06:37.16 | karsten | pinky_: Read the release notes and package descriptions. If you want to hold at a certain level, do it. |
| 06:37.26 | g333k | karsten, to install ie |
| 06:37.33 | deadcat | vic: hurray |
| 06:37.38 | karsten | g333k: Oh. Yeah. Um... one sec. |
| 06:38.02 | vic | my prob was to install apache |
| 06:38.04 | Zewl | deadcat, no its some hax0r that has installed something that is doing ssh attacks and I am trying to figure out where the source of the ssh connections is coming from |
| 06:38.26 | vic | i already did apt-get install apache |
| 06:38.38 | karsten | g333k: sidenet wine? |
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| 06:39.10 | g333k | karsten, http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/index-en.html |
| 06:39.34 | deadcat | g333k: follow the instructions.. it used to work |
| 06:40.03 | karsten | g333k: http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=ie6 |
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| 06:40.57 | karsten | g333k: ... that's what I used, with the Sidenet WINE configuration utility. |
| 06:41.22 | DaveLib | so xlassie has an option: xlassie -pop3 <server> query a pop3 server instead of mailbox ie for notification |
| 06:41.39 | DaveLib | i looked up in gmail help abt pop3 |
| 06:41.58 | DaveLib | they have sections abt configuring email cleints for pop3 |
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| 06:42.30 | Deformative | Does anyone know what files I need in my initrd to make my kernel boot correctly? |
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| 06:43.08 | karsten | Deformative: mkinitrd should handle that transparently for you. |
| 06:43.09 | Deformative | I know I need busybox and something else. |
| 06:43.29 | karsten | Deformative: If you're custom-building an initrd, I'd suggest you google for references. |
| 06:43.30 | stew | Deformative: are you building one by hand for some reason? |
| 06:43.30 | iank | What package does aclocal belong to? an apt-cache search and a google aren't helpful (unstable). |
| 06:43.34 | karsten | Deformative: ... it's pretty technical. |
| 06:43.42 | Deformative | For a livecd. |
| 06:43.47 | karsten | iank: auto-apt find ... |
| 06:43.49 | Deformative | I have made them before. |
| 06:43.52 | Deformative | I just forgot how. |
| 06:43.54 | karsten | iank: ... or apt-file search |
| 06:44.01 | Deformative | It' isn't very hard. |
| 06:44.02 | karsten | iank: ... and 'search' for auto-apt as well. |
| 06:44.09 | stew | Deformative: what kernel version are you using? |
| 06:44.14 | Deformative | 2.6 |
| 06:44.21 | stew | Deformative: what version? |
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| 06:44.48 | Deformative | Eh, archlinux, I am just making the livecd debian based, I am testing it at first with archlinux. |
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| 06:45.07 | karsten | iank: Um. Which aclocal? |
| 06:45.08 | dubbaluga | hi! how can i close a window in the twm (tabbed window manager)? i could not find that in the man-page |
| 06:45.21 | Deformative | Because I need one that can run on an i586 so I am gonna use debian for the final coppy. |
| 06:45.28 | stew | Deformative: please find a channel specific to your distribution |
| 06:45.35 | karsten | dubbaluga: Middle mouse. "delete". Put the skull and crossbones over the window. |
| 06:45.47 | karsten | dubbaluga: basically, it's a menu operation. |
| 06:46.45 | dubbaluga | karsten: oh, i see - that works - thank hou!! |
| 06:46.48 | karsten | dubbaluga: NP. |
| 06:47.09 | karsten | dubbaluga: twm's a bit retarded in some ways, but it's a light WM. Might look at fvwm or fluxbox. |
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| 06:47.40 | deadcat | openbox dammit |
| 06:47.43 | dubbaluga | karsten: it's just for one application in my vncserver, i don't want my windows to use the whole screen |
| 06:47.51 | vic | what is the most active mirror? |
| 06:47.55 | karsten | dubbaluga: NP. |
| 06:48.01 | karsten | vic: Where are you? |
| 06:48.05 | dubbaluga | karsten: so twm fits my needs perfectly :-) |
| 06:48.06 | row | wmii-3 is a lovely wdm :) |
| 06:48.20 | row | -md |
| 06:48.26 | row | -d* |
| 06:48.28 | karsten | vic: http://http.<country>.debian.org is generally recommended. |
| 06:48.44 | karsten | dubbaluga: NP. I use it myself occasionally, it's just very old school. |
| 06:49.05 | dubbaluga | karsten: that's true - indeed :) thank you for the tip anyway! |
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| 06:49.12 | vic | philippines |
| 06:49.56 | karsten | vic: I'd try ph, cn, or jp then, should give you best mix of locality and speed. |
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| 06:50.28 | vic | cn for canada? |
| 06:50.31 | karsten | Um. |
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| 06:50.35 | karsten | None of those exist, sorry. |
| 06:50.38 | karsten | cn==china |
| 06:50.55 | vic | ah okay |
| 06:51.04 | insmod | ca = canada |
| 06:51.11 | possie | i've got a problem that my smb mount in /etc/fstab is tried to be mounted before my network is up and running, how can i prevent such a thing? is automouter perhaps a good solution for this? |
| 06:51.48 | karsten | possie: Set it noauto |
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| 06:52.02 | row | possie: or you can set a call to if.up can yo not? |
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| 06:52.11 | row | or whatever that script is called thats run after network goes up. |
| 06:52.12 | karsten | possie: ... and add a post-up section to /etc/network/interfaces to mount the share *after* your network is up. |
| 06:52.15 | possie | karsten, hey karsten :-) |
| 06:52.21 | karsten | possie: Yo. |
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| 06:52.45 | karsten | possie: man interfaces. You've got hooks for pre-up, post-up, pre-down, and post-down actions. A pre-down umount would also be good. |
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| 06:54.41 | karsten | vic: http://http.us.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt |
| 06:54.46 | karsten | vic: ... short answer ;-) |
| 06:54.56 | cmdrwalrus | Hello! |
| 06:55.21 | karsten | vic: Taiwan should be close as well. |
| 06:55.45 | karsten | vic: ... or just US. Phillipines should have fat pipes. |
| 06:56.01 | cmdrwalrus | Any of you had a problem with fonts rendering invisible (except for underlines)? |
| 06:56.10 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Check your locale |
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| 06:56.29 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: What apps? console or gui? |
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| 06:57.05 | cmdrwalrus | gui |
| 06:57.09 | cmdrwalrus | Almost everything. |
| 06:57.17 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: GNOME, KDE, all? |
| 06:57.19 | cmdrwalrus | gvim, firefox, xfce-terminal |
| 06:57.25 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: OK. |
| 06:57.28 | cmdrwalrus | xfce and gnome. Don't have KDE. |
| 06:57.49 | cmdrwalrus | xchat's fine, though. heh |
| 06:58.08 | cmdrwalrus | I just regenerated my locales. |
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| 06:58.13 | cmdrwalrus | er, locale. en_CA |
| 06:58.19 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Confirm you've got the following packages installed: xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi xfonts-base xfonts-dosemu xfonts-encodings xfonts-scalable xfonts-utils msttcorefonts |
| 06:58.29 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Canada, eh? |
| 06:58.35 | cmdrwalrus | Yeah, eh. |
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| 06:58.51 | navaladi | Hi All..have problem in vnc in debian3.1 |
| 06:59.02 | vic | thanks. ok il try |
| 06:59.11 | karsten | vic: NP. |
| 06:59.20 | navaladi | i have started vncserv .& i run vncviewer |
| 06:59.21 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: sarge or etch? |
| 06:59.28 | cmdrwalrus | sid |
| 06:59.33 | karsten | navaladi: Good so far. |
| 06:59.37 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: xprt installed? |
| 06:59.40 | navaladi | it ask for passwd..and connected to server |
| 06:59.51 | cmdrwalrus | I had all those packages installed, but removed msttcorefonts xfonts-100dpi xfonts-75dpi trying to debug. |
| 06:59.55 | karsten | navaladi: Check what your vncsession configuration is. |
| 07:00.02 | navaladi | karsten:now the display i am getting is xterm.. |
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| 07:00.34 | karsten | navaladi: You've got a null/missing vncsession configuration and you're getting a failsafe setup. |
| 07:00.40 | navaladi | karsten:i connected to server using the passwd..and the graphical display is not.. |
| 07:00.50 | karsten | navaladi: Read the vncserver manapage on how to fix that. Or you can run your preferred desktop directly from that terminal. |
| 07:00.57 | karsten | navaladi: If you can post a screenshot, do. |
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| 07:01.07 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: no xprint at all |
| 07:01.28 | navaladi | karsten:karsten:where to post a screenshot? |
| 07:01.41 | navaladi | does any place to upload? |
| 07:01.44 | karsten | navaladi: To a website you can post to ;-) |
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| 07:02.12 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: OK, probably not a worry. Trying to sort font bits. |
| 07:02.13 | pinky_ | karsten: I'm not actually mad. I blame it *all* on the ethanol. |
| 07:02.28 | navaladi | karsten: :) i meant any place like a pastebin.net |
| 07:02.43 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: If you can IRC from a screen session so you'll survive reboots, you might want to do that. Try restarting your X server |
| 07:02.52 | karsten | navaladi: Not aware of any, sorry. |
| 07:03.13 | karsten | navaladi: I've got my own webspace and use that. |
| 07:03.19 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: OK. ttyl |
| 07:03.27 | karsten | pinky_: ?? |
| 07:03.46 | navaladi | karsten: ok i ll tell u the error..there is no error in connection..i thk config..pls ur URL? |
| 07:03.48 | karsten | navaladi: if port 80's open on your box and you're live to the net you can server from your own apache server. |
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| 07:04.10 | karsten | navaladi: wht? i cnt ndrstnd u wn u wrt lk tht |
| 07:04.16 | pinky_ | karsten: You heard (read?) me. It's the ethanol's fault. I hate the shit, yet I drank some this evening for the first time in ages. I came off as angrier about the Xfce memory leak issue than I actually was. |
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| 07:04.41 | karsten | pinky_: Ah... |
| 07:04.45 | karsten | pinky_: Gotchya. |
| 07:04.51 | pinky_ | karsten: I've since smoked cannabis and am much more level-minded now. |
| 07:04.51 | karsten | pinky_: Already forgot all about it ;-) |
| 07:04.56 | pinky_ | I HATE ETHANOL!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 07:04.57 | navaladi | karsten:i am inside of proxy server..so that is not possible even if i am setup a apache...:( |
| 07:04.59 | karsten | pinky_: Peace! |
| 07:05.06 | karsten | navaladi: OK. |
| 07:05.08 | navaladi | karsten:My ISP won't allow.. |
| 07:05.10 | pinky_ | karsten: ;-] |
| 07:05.29 | karsten | pinky_: Mind, I've been there too. And I don't have any excuses most of the time. |
| 07:05.39 | navaladi | karsten:u said your server ..can u pls put a url? |
| 07:06.06 | karsten | navaladi: I can't grant you shell access. |
| 07:06.28 | karsten | navaladi: I don't have anything you can use, sorry. |
| 07:06.57 | navaladi | karsten:oh not shell access..u said ""I've got my own webspace and use that" |
| 07:07.11 | karsten | navaladi: And I access it via shell. |
| 07:07.12 | vic | how can i install apache using the net? |
| 07:07.18 | karsten | vic: man aptitude |
| 07:07.26 | karsten | vic: aptitude install <foo> |
| 07:07.47 | pinky_ | I love aptitude |
| 07:07.52 | karsten | navaladi: flikr or similar account might work. |
| 07:07.52 | navaladi | karsten:the problem is...I can not see the vncserver desktop Instead it display a vncserver xterm.. |
| 07:07.53 | pinky_ | <3 aptitude |
| 07:08.09 | karsten | navaladi: Does vncviewer run at all? |
| 07:08.26 | karsten | pinky_: aptitude just called and wants to put a restraining order on you. |
| 07:08.35 | vic | is there any detailed process the fastest way |
| 07:08.38 | DaveLib | back i was called away from computer |
| 07:08.38 | vic | pls help |
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| 07:08.51 | karsten | vic: I just gave it to you. |
| 07:09.02 | karsten | vic: Meantime, I'd strongly recommend you read some Debian documentation. |
| 07:09.19 | DaveLib | anyway xlassie i just installed there are optyions to tell it pop3 and pop3 server and username & password |
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| 07:09.34 | karsten | vic: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ |
| 07:09.37 | DaveLib | i looked up gmail help abt pop3 |
| 07:09.43 | navaladi | karsten: yeah i run vncviwer and it asks a password..then i give it..it connected..now xterm of vncserver is opens not a desktop of remote vncserver that i can control over a mouse .. |
| 07:09.44 | karsten | DaveLib: Not familiar w/ xlassie. |
| 07:09.59 | DaveLib | anyway my question is abt pop3 really |
| 07:10.09 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: Still here? I'm in screen now. Never used bitchx before. :-) |
| 07:10.39 | john_doe | While doing a "make oldconfig" configuration of a kernel, I altered the time. After configuration of the kernel, I get warnings like "clock skew detected". Should I worry? |
| 07:10.39 | DaveLib | a notifier asking abt presence of mail is that a diff pop3 command than fetching? |
| 07:10.40 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: and my console fonts are fizzcuked, and I can't BS. :-( |
| 07:10.56 | navaladi | karsten: just a moment i m uploading a screenshot.. |
| 07:11.02 | karsten | navaladi: I think you may need to set that password. I forget if that's set at vncviewer or w/ vncpasswd. |
| 07:11.04 | deadcat | i love screenshots |
| 07:11.09 | DaveLib | the gmail help is abt configuring for email cleints that are trying to read |
| 07:11.17 | karsten | deadcat: Um. *screenshots*, not pr0n. |
| 07:11.32 | DaveLib | gmail has a section about enabling pop3 |
| 07:11.33 | deadcat | screenshots of porn |
| 07:11.56 | DaveLib | and a pop3 option is dont delete the email |
| 07:12.17 | DaveLib | so i am guessing i should enable pop3 in gmail but say dont delete |
| 07:12.34 | DaveLib | then xlassie will poll pop3 |
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| 07:12.45 | karsten | DaveLib: The "don't delete" refers to what your pop client is doing. |
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| 07:13.00 | karsten | DaveLib: So long as all you're doing is querying it with a notifier, you shouldn't have to worry about that. |
| 07:13.06 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
| 07:13.14 | karsten | DaveLib: xlassie is likely keeping track of messages by ID and noting if there are new ones showing up. |
| 07:13.17 | DaveLib | so do i hafta enable pop3? |
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| 07:14.24 | navaladi | karsten:no problem with passwd ...i give a passwd by vncpasswd...not i ll post a url look at it.. |
| 07:14.25 | karsten | DaveLib: On your gmail account? |
| 07:14.28 | karsten | DaveLib: Yes. |
| 07:14.33 | karsten | navaladi: OK. |
| 07:14.45 | DaveLib | yes i was asking in the gmail account should i enable pop3 |
| 07:14.51 | karsten | DaveLib: Yes, you should |
| 07:14.55 | DaveLib | ok thx |
| 07:15.05 | karsten | DaveLib: Basically: you need something for xlassie to talk to, and it can't just web-scrape. |
| 07:15.20 | cmdrwalrus | So... regenerated locales, restarted X, fonts are still invisible. |
| 07:15.37 | DaveLib | so in pop3 is asking for a header list of mail diff than asking to fetch the contents of email? |
| 07:15.41 | karsten | vic: If you're still here and want to skip forward a bit, go to section 7 of the FAQ: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-faq/ch-pkgtools.en.html |
| 07:15.46 | DaveLib | ie subjects vs content |
| 07:15.49 | cmdrwalrus | It's only some spots, though... and if I select the text, it usually shows up--except in GVIM. |
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| 07:16.13 | karsten | DaveLib: I think technically xlassie tracks messages by an ID that's either locally maintained or generated by the POP server. |
| 07:16.24 | DaveLib | and mbbe xlassie is even asking for less than subject just a count of how many or something |
| 07:16.36 | karsten | DaveLib: ... and APOP is strongly recommended over POP as it doesn't send your password cleartext. |
| 07:16.46 | karsten | DaveLib: Message IDs. |
| 07:17.00 | DaveLib | well i hafta check if xlassie and if gmail both support apop |
| 07:17.03 | karsten | DaveLib: You're not a man, you're a number. |
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| 07:17.21 | karsten | DaveLib: I'm pretty sure both do. If not, whinge mightily. |
| 07:17.43 | DaveLib | ok i will look again at man xlassie and gmailhelp re apop |
| 07:17.45 | karsten | DaveLib: ... you could even borrow a page from pinky_'s performance earlier ;-) |
| 07:18.11 | pinky_ | wazzat? |
| 07:18.14 | karsten | DaveLib: apop3 for xlassie, so you're golden there. |
| 07:18.23 | karsten | pinky_: Using you as a bad example. |
| 07:18.31 | karsten | pinky_: ... how to throw a tantrum for effect ;-) |
| 07:18.41 | DaveLib | ya hey i just fouind that too: -apop3 optionm in xlassie |
| 07:18.46 | pinky_ | Haha |
| 07:18.49 | pinky_ | Use me away! |
| 07:18.52 | karsten | DaveLib: It's in the package description. |
| 07:18.57 | karsten | pinky_: Use you, abuse you... |
| 07:19.07 | DaveLib | karsten: how did you just find that xlasie info so fast? |
| 07:19.13 | DaveLib | ahh ok |
| 07:19.16 | karsten | DaveLib: apt-cache show xlassie |
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| 07:19.23 | DaveLib | thx |
| 07:19.29 | karsten | ... and I knew what I was looking for. |
| 07:19.50 | Karasska | Anyone know the theme fc4 uses? I want my debian gnome to look like fedora 4 |
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| 07:20.17 | cmdrwalrus | Karasska: fedora's for pussies |
| 07:20.25 | karsten | Karasska: screenie? |
| 07:20.38 | Karasska | cmdrwalrus: uhm..thats great |
| 07:20.42 | Karasska | Karsten: 1 sec :D |
| 07:20.43 | cmdrwalrus | oops, forgot the smilie. :-) |
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| 07:22.16 | Karasska | Karsten: dont mind the winblows, I just found this on google: http://www.arnabc.org/GeneralPics/fedora.JPG |
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| 07:22.54 | karsten | Karasska: For starter's it's GNOME. |
| 07:23.05 | karsten | Karasska: ... um, which you knew ;-) |
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| 07:23.12 | Karasska | :) |
| 07:23.16 | karsten | Karasska: Possibly "clearlooks" |
| 07:23.25 | DaveLib | i dint find anything abt apop in the gmail help |
| 07:23.33 | Karasska | yea,l but I cant find the icon theme, and the entire window themes |
| 07:24.10 | karsten | Karasska: http://live.gnome.org/ClearLooks |
| 07:24.10 | deadcat | of course. linux is always being run under vmware... |
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| 07:24.18 | DaveLib | xlassie supports imap but gmail specifically says they dont do imap |
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| 07:24.21 | Karasska | I foud it on google, relax |
| 07:24.22 | Karasska | hah |
| 07:24.27 | deadcat | that IS clearlooks. the ugly version |
| 07:24.29 | karsten | DaveLib: Then don't do that </doctor> |
| 07:24.44 | jetscreamer | find some rpm's, alien it up |
| 07:24.46 | DaveLib | so i guess i will just use pop? |
| 07:24.55 | karsten | DaveLib: apop. |
| 07:24.59 | DaveLib | or else forget it and dont bother having a notifier |
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| 07:25.05 | wooya510 | I have a problem about LDAP |
| 07:25.19 | karsten | DaveLib: That uses a password hash. If google are smart the don't support straight pop. |
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| 07:25.32 | DaveLib | karsten: but what can i do with apop if gmail doesnt support it? |
| 07:25.33 | wooya510 | There is user who know about LDAP ?l |
| 07:25.35 | karsten | wooya510: The LDAP problems queue starts thataway => |
| 07:25.50 | deadcat | wooya510: never heard of LDAP before; |
| 07:26.06 | karsten | DaveLib: Then you use POP and LART google for being lamers forcing users to send passwords in the clear. |
| 07:26.15 | DaveLib | aok |
| 07:26.25 | wooya510 | I need your help... |
| 07:26.33 | navaladi | karsten: 10.154.1.164/pub/vnc.jpg |
| 07:26.37 | cmdrwalrus | wooya510: what's the problem? |
| 07:26.41 | karsten | DaveLib: ... and a quick google search suggests they support apop, so no problems there either. |
| 07:26.43 | wooya510 | I have a problem about LDAP |
| 07:26.51 | karsten | navaladi: that's a nonroutable 10 net. |
| 07:26.52 | cmdrwalrus | wooya510: I know. elaborate? |
| 07:26.55 | karsten | navaladi: I can't see it. |
| 07:26.59 | cydork | wooya510, and is it related to debian?? |
| 07:27.02 | navaladi | karsten: can u able access that image?that is my IP .. |
| 07:27.02 | wooya510 | yes |
| 07:27.08 | pinky_ | navaladi: It's a good thing you gave an internal IP address! |
| 07:27.10 | navaladi | karsten: oh ok...wait |
| 07:27.14 | karsten | navaladi: It is on your LAN. It's not on the Internet. |
| 07:27.34 | karsten | pinky_: Teh secarity thru inaccsabilitay! |
| 07:27.47 | navaladi | karsten: so not possible in my network..like forwading |
| 07:28.04 | karsten | navaladi: Nope. Check about getting a Flikr account |
| 07:28.04 | pinky_ | karsten: Hey that works... you know what they say: the only secure Windows box is one not on the Internet! |
| 07:28.19 | karsten | pinky_: The only secure windows box is my boat anchor. |
| 07:28.26 | pinky_ | Hahaha |
| 07:28.29 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: LOL |
| 07:28.31 | pinky_ | I want a boat! |
| 07:28.48 | karsten | pinky_: I've had a boat. |
| 07:28.55 | navaladi | karsten: ok soon.. |
| 07:28.59 | karsten | I want someone *else's* boat. |
| 07:29.01 | cmdrwalrus | but your windows box let it get away? |
| 07:29.03 | karsten | *they* can pay the bills. |
| 07:29.16 | wooya510 | when I type this command : ldapadd -x -D "cn=admin,dc=ldap,dc=wooya510,dc=com" -W -f base.ldif |
| 07:29.16 | cydork | pinky_: the only secure windows box is the one which is turned off :) |
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| 07:29.51 | jetscreamer | i suck. i can't dance. no samba. |
| 07:29.56 | wooya510 | The error massage is "ldap_add: No such object (32)" |
| 07:29.58 | pinky_ | cydork: Oh.. oh yeah!?! Well.. the only secure Windows box is... MY TOILET!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHA |
| 07:30.08 | jetscreamer | windows can be secure. |
| 07:30.17 | pinky_ | (sorry) |
| 07:30.17 | jetscreamer | the admins usually suck though |
| 07:30.21 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... with sufficient medication? |
| 07:30.33 | jetscreamer | mine are clean |
| 07:30.33 | pinky_ | jetscreamer: Yeah if you unplug it from any network. |
| 07:30.46 | jetscreamer | or know what not to allow |
| 07:30.47 | karsten | wooya510: Welcome to the world of LDAP. This channel might not be your salvation. |
| 07:31.00 | wooya510 | cmdrwalrus: You know about the LDAP Configuration? |
| 07:31.07 | pinky_ | jetscreamer: I ran a Win2k box as administrator for multiple years, and I rarely got virii. It would be naive for me to call it secure, though. |
| 07:31.17 | karsten | wooya510: There's an #ldap channel on Freenode. Might check there. |
| 07:31.23 | wooya510 | sorry |
| 07:31.26 | cmdrwalrus | wooya510: my guess is base.ldif refers to some object that's not in your database. |
| 07:31.27 | jetscreamer | well it is a fatter target, and much more popular |
| 07:31.30 | wooya510 | so sorry |
| 07:31.33 | karsten | wooya510: NP, just more useful for you to be there. |
| 07:31.38 | jetscreamer | popular to target |
| 07:32.02 | karsten | jetscreamer: ... and it's got those very convenient large concentric red circles all over it. |
| 07:32.29 | jetscreamer | the say 'i'm root' under em don't they |
| 07:32.33 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: any other ideas for my font problem? |
| 07:32.42 | jetscreamer | well some |
| 07:32.47 | pinky_ | I would contest the arguement that the sole reason for Window's sorry security state is because of its widespread usage. |
| 07:32.54 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Sorry. What happened on X restart, anything? |
| 07:33.00 | karsten | pinky_: Dittos. |
| 07:33.19 | karsten | pinky_: Though there *is* an economic advantage to targeting it. It's fat, juicy, *and prevalent. |
| 07:33.30 | jetscreamer | remember: the .gov loves windows, shouldn't you? |
| 07:33.32 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: No, nothing. But when I switch between console and X, or between workspaces, it switches around... different words go visible and invisible, seemingly at random. |
| 07:33.36 | cydork | pinky_, and other is developers :) |
| 07:33.52 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: That's sounding like an X server issue. |
| 07:33.56 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Did things ever work right? |
| 07:34.03 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: ...and if so, what changed? |
| 07:34.18 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: before dist-upgrade... but it was a big one, so I can't say what changed. |
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| 07:34.40 | cydork | cmdrwalrus, sid?? |
| 07:34.55 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: You use aptitude or apt-get |
| 07:34.58 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: ? |
| 07:35.06 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: I'm using the nvidia driver. I tried switching to nv, or vesa, but they both said ABI version was wrong. |
| 07:35.09 | jetscreamer | dselect! |
| 07:35.10 | cmdrwalrus | aptitude |
| 07:35.16 | wooya510 | cmdrwalrus: After I started slapd daemon with '-d-1' , I can debug messages. The one of messages is "bdb_add: parent does not exist" |
| 07:35.17 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: /var/log/aptitude |
| 07:35.19 | cmdrwalrus | yes, sid. |
| 07:35.27 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: ... will show you what changed. One more reason to love aptitude. |
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| 07:35.56 | pinky_ | karsten: Yes, I agree that it's seemingly omnipresence makes it a lucrative target for malware authors financially speaking, but I was just saying that it's certainly not the only reason. |
| 07:35.58 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: sweeeeeeet!! I've been thinking I needed something like that... but that's so obvious, I clearly wasn't thinking enough. :-) |
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| 07:36.09 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: ;-) |
| 07:36.30 | pinky_ | It's funny... how it works both ways, you know? "(Malware) Developers! (Malware) Developers! (Malware) Developers!" |
| 07:36.43 | karsten | pinky_: http://linuxmafia.com/~karsten/Rants/spyware.html |
| 07:37.04 | cydork | cmdrwalrus, check bts too |
| 07:37.07 | karsten | pinky_: ... granting that spyware's not the whole extent of the issue, but read for some deep and cultural reasons. |
| 07:37.23 | karsten | cydork: Good call. |
| 07:37.28 | cmdrwalrus | from /var/log/aptitude: Will install 154 packages, and remove 5 packages. |
| 07:37.47 | niklas-_ | Hmm, i got a debian installation i need to clone with 100% the same packages - is there somehow i can export a list of .deb files i from the current installation, and import them on the other? |
| 07:37.55 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Right, so that's what's updated. Look for anything associated with fonts, font management, and/or locale. |
| 07:37.58 | navaladi | karsten: http://rootshell.be/~navaladi/ |
| 07:38.03 | karsten | niklas-_: dpkg --get-selections |
| 07:38.06 | cmdrwalrus | ? |
| 07:38.15 | navaladi | karsten: is that working...i thk it is ok.. |
| 07:38.16 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: ! |
| 07:38.20 | pinky_ | karsten: I'm more in tune to the situation than I'm letting on in my drunken-IRC state, for sure, but I'll definately read that. |
| 07:38.43 | karsten | navaladi: On current box: dpkg --get-selections > file; On new box: dpkg --get-selections < file; aptitude dselect-upgrade |
| 07:38.49 | cmdrwalrus | sorry... not used to bitchx. hit home, and got confused. |
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| 07:39.12 | niklas-_ | what about custom packages like kernel? |
| 07:39.13 | navaladi | karsten: i don't get .. |
| 07:39.14 | karsten | pinky_: Sure. Observations based on 9 months 'Doze admining as the malware/spyware situation was hotting up. |
| 07:39.19 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: heh. |
| 07:39.28 | niklas-_ | Can i set a local mirror up for that task? |
| 07:39.43 | cydork | niklas-, yep you can take a look at apt-move |
| 07:39.52 | niklas-_ | great thanks |
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| 07:39.59 | karsten | niklas-_: If you want to wholesale copy the box, boot Knoppix on the target, chroot mount your filesystem, and simply rsync or scp your current system over |
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| 07:40.20 | karsten | niklas-_: If you want to do what you first asked, I've given you the canonical solution. |
| 07:40.26 | navaladi | karsten: i am using my box as vncserver as well.. |
| 07:40.26 | oomph | stable = sarge correct? |
| 07:40.33 | oomph | <-- new to debian |
| 07:40.40 | Tallu | comfrey: the current stable release is sarge |
| 07:40.43 | cydork | oomph, yep |
| 07:40.48 | oomph | thanks |
| 07:40.59 | niklas-_ | karsten: yeah that what i'm going to do |
| 07:41.09 | Tallu | comfrey: in december sarge will become outdated and etch will be the new stable, but if you have set your sources.list to stable you'll automatically upgrade to it |
| 07:41.11 | niklas-_ | but i still needed the local mirror with all my custom packages :) |
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| 07:43.09 | navaladi | karsten:?? |
| 07:43.24 | karsten | navaladi: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3544 |
| 07:43.35 | cydork | niklas-_, if you have all the packages in your apt cache then apt-move is the best option |
| 07:43.57 | karsten | navaladi: ... how session creation/setup should work. Note I'm using tighvncserver but it's pretty much identical. |
| 07:43.57 | pinky_ | oomph: There are three main branches of Debian, stable, testing and unstable, and all three have codenames. Sarge is the current codename for the stable branch (version 3,1) and Etch is the name for testing. Etch will eventually become stable, at which point Sarge will be "oldstable". Right now Woody is "oldstable" (version 3.0). |
| 07:44.08 | karsten | navaladi: Um, what's the question? |
| 07:44.21 | karsten | !releases |
| 07:44.22 | dpkg | i guess releases is See http://www.debian.org/releases/ for an explanation of releases. see <release history> for prior releases. http://wiki.debian.org/DebianReleases |
| 07:44.29 | oomph | this still a good looking sources.list ? http://techrepublic.com.com/5208-11185-0.html?forumID=90&threadID=179944&start=0 |
| 07:44.54 | pinky_ | oomph: When Etch is released, it will be 3.2, and it will be stable. Then, a new codename will become testing. The third major branch is unstable, which has the codename Sid. Unstable is *always* Sid. Sid is *always* unstable. That name doesn't change. |
| 07:44.54 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: libxfont1 locales ttf-freefont ttf-opensymbol x-ttcidfont-conf were all upgraded. |
| 07:45.07 | navaladi | karsten: http://rootshell.be/~navaladi/ |
| 07:45.10 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: That locales sticks out like a sore thumb |
| 07:45.18 | navaladi | karsten: have u look at that image? |
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| 07:45.35 | navaladi | karsten: that is the vncserver desktop.. |
| 07:45.35 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: well, I'll try rolling it back. |
| 07:45.45 | karsten | navaladi: Ok. That looks like a perfectly working VNC session to me. |
| 07:46.03 | karsten | navaladi: I think your problem is you're looking for something other than what you got. |
| 07:46.11 | navaladi | karsten: yeah working ...but the server launches xterm.. |
| 07:46.21 | karsten | navaladi: Yes, it does. What are you expecting? |
| 07:46.23 | navaladi | karsten: Not the remote desktop?? |
| 07:46.33 | karsten | navaladi: Look at the bottom of the screen. |
| 07:46.39 | karsten | navaladi: YOu're seeing the remote desktop. |
| 07:46.47 | karsten | navaladi: The remote desktop is running xterm. |
| 07:47.10 | karsten | navaladi: Type 'echo $DISPLAY' in that terminal window. I'm about 10000% positive it's *not* going to say :0.0 |
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| 07:47.50 | navaladi | karsten: :) U have seen my desktop panel i think.. |
| 07:48.12 | navaladi | karsten : At the bottem..panel is mine not a remote vncserver.. |
| 07:48.20 | karsten | navaladi: At the bottom of the screen you're seeing your locally open apps. One of those is the VNC client window itself. Click a different tab and you'll see another window imposed over the VNC client window and its displayed remote desktop. |
| 07:48.24 | karsten | navaladi: Correct. |
| 07:48.28 | karsten | navaladi: You can run VNC fullscreen if you want. |
| 07:48.46 | karsten | navaladi: Correct: the panel at the bottom of the screen is local, not remote. |
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| 07:49.25 | navaladi | karstem: What i want all, is the remote desktop must be like my desktop.. |
| 07:49.42 | karsten | navaladi: Clcik the X-Chat tab, for example, an dyour local X-Cahat window will appear over your VNC window. |
| 07:49.57 | navaladi | karsten: vncserver desktop should be like mine...not the blank screen like u saw that.. |
| 07:50.02 | karsten | navaladi: Define "must be like" |
| 07:50.05 | CyberMad | what VNC do you use? |
| 07:50.29 | karsten | navaladi: Do you want VNC to *show* your desktop (as it does in Windows), or merely to run the same desktop environment, but a seperate instance? |
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| 07:51.03 | Dewi | sounds like navaladi was expecting vnc to connect to an existing xfree86 instance |
| 07:51.07 | karsten | navaladi: Under Linux, by default, VNC starts its own seperate display instance for each server run. You can also share the local desktop over VNC. And you can configure each server session independently. |
| 07:51.10 | Dewi | rather than starting a new x context |
| 07:51.14 | karsten | Dewi: That's what I'm suspecting. |
| 07:51.15 | navaladi | karsten: I have seen somewhere that...i can watch a what is happening in remote desktop ...that is using vncserver.. |
| 07:51.36 | karsten | CyberMad: red herring. server/client implementations support the same features. |
| 07:51.49 | karsten | navaladi: OK, that's a different question then. |
| 07:52.31 | karsten | navaladi: ... it's also a bit easier to set up on some Linux systems than others. One sec. |
| 07:52.38 | karsten | navaladi: You've used VNC under windows? |
| 07:53.10 | navaladi | Dewi:karsten: no Debian box..yeah i saw it in windows & linux too.. |
| 07:53.21 | CyberMad | right now i do research with VNC |
| 07:53.25 | karsten | navaladi: KDE's got built-in support for that. |
| 07:53.31 | karsten | navaladi: Probably your easiest solution. |
| 07:53.37 | CyberMad | right now i tried TightVNC and UltraVNC |
| 07:53.46 | karsten | navaladi: "share desktop" option. See this article: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/135 |
| 07:53.59 | karsten | navaladi: Using x11vnc |
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| 07:54.00 | CyberMad | looks like UltraVNC only run in windows, but TightVNC support both |
| 07:54.15 | karsten | navaladi: Try: x11vnc -may & |
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| 07:54.31 | CyberMad | but, UltraVNC is the best :) have many features.. |
| 07:54.44 | karsten | navaladi: Yeah. You want to install x11vnc and read docs. |
| 07:54.55 | karsten | navaladi: That shares the current X session. |
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| 07:55.01 | navaladi | karsten: I just tryied vnc:/// in konqueror that produces the same.. |
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| 07:55.08 | navaladi | i have installed x11vnc too |
| 07:55.11 | karsten | navaladi: See above |
| 07:55.17 | karsten | navaladi: OK. x11vnc is your server |
| 07:55.26 | karsten | navaladi: I'm installing ATM, one moment. |
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| 07:56.26 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: So, I downgraded locales, libxfont1 and x-ttcidfont-conf, all with no effect. :-( Any idea how to fix the nv module's complaining about ABI version? |
| 07:56.33 | cmdrwalrus | er, nv driver, I mean. |
| 07:56.50 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Unfortunately glibc upgrades can also hork on this stuff. |
| 07:56.58 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Suggest you hit BTS |
| 07:57.00 | karsten | !bts |
| 07:57.00 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 07:57.02 | cydork | cmdrwalrus, before do you anything check bts |
| 07:57.16 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Linux locales, BTW, suck. |
| 07:57.21 | cmdrwalrus | ok |
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| 07:57.26 | tortuguito | HELLO, WANTED TO KNOW REASON WHEN SENDING EMAIL THE SAVED POSTFIX VAI LOGS AND ENXENDO THE HD IF HAS AS TO MAKE SOMETHING PRA IT NOT TO SAVE. SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME? |
| 07:57.37 | karsten | tortuguito: TOGGLE YOUR CAPS KEY. |
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| 07:58.12 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: My *only* public free software project C code patch was a long-ago i18n fix for a web browser. |
| 07:58.30 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: ... involved wildcarding a font match pattern. |
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| 07:58.56 | Shadur | tortuguito: Try speaking english, we find it helps. |
| 07:58.58 | navaladi | karsten:is there any good screen recording programme for linux...then I ll leave a vncsever problem out.. |
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| 07:59.16 | Shadur | navaladi: I think there is. I've forgotten the name, though... |
| 07:59.43 | navaladi | karsten::because vncrec is good tool for screen recording..that is why i am planing to use vncsever.. |
| 07:59.43 | karsten | navaladi: yeah, if you read that same article I think one's mentioned... |
| 07:59.50 | cmdrwalrus | wow, debian looks pretty good in elinks. :-) |
| 07:59.51 | karsten | navaladi: setting up a training/testing lab? |
| 07:59.59 | cmdrwalrus | i mean, debian.org |
| 08:00.17 | karsten | navaladi: BTW: x11vnc -display :0 & vncviewer $( hostname ): |
| 08:00.42 | tortuguito | HELLO, WANTED YOU THE KNOW REASON WHEN SENDING EMAIL THE SAVED POSTFIX VAI LOGS AND ENXENDO THE HD IF HAS YOU MAKE SOMETHING PRA IT NOT YOU THE SAVE. SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME? |
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| 08:00.51 | karsten | navaladi: nvc2swf |
| 08:01.00 | karsten | tortuguito: Stop typing in all caps NOW! |
| 08:01.08 | karsten | !tell tortuguito about caps |
| 08:01.11 | karsten | !tell tortuguito about repeat |
| 08:01.33 | karsten | tortuguito: ... and you might find #debian-br is better acculterated. |
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| 08:02.12 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Some of the text-mode browsers are pretty impressive. |
| 08:02.32 | karsten | navaladi: http://desktops.linux.com/article.pl?sid=04/07/26/1815242&tid=6 |
| 08:02.36 | navaladi | karsten: i am planing to public demo...that is what.. |
| 08:02.41 | karsten | navaladi: ... not packaged for Debian AFAICT. |
| 08:02.46 | karsten | navaladi: OK. |
| 08:03.26 | tortuguito | hello, wanted an aid with postfix reason is twirling it in one schemes mine and it you saving logs and fulling the HD of schemes wanted to know if he has as to take off this. pra it not to save logs. grateful |
| 08:03.32 | karsten | navaladi: I've seen some very impressive demos done with vnc2swf BTW. |
| 08:03.45 | tortuguito | karsten |
| 08:03.46 | tortuguito | hello, wanted an aid with postfix reason is twirling it in one schemes mine and it you saving logs and fulling the HD of schemes wanted to know if he has as to take off this. pra it not to save logs. grateful |
| 08:03.46 | tortuguito | ? |
| 08:03.47 | karsten | tortuguito: Sorry, your English really isn't working here. |
| 08:03.55 | navaladi | karsten:there are many programs out for console screen recording..but AFAIK no good pragrames for GUI recording ..& convert to AVI format |
| 08:03.55 | karsten | !br |
| 08:03.56 | dpkg | Esse canal e apenas em ingles. Por favor, use #debian-br (/j #debian-br) para ajuda em portugues. |
| 08:04.27 | karsten | navaladi: vnc2swf will get you Flash. That's <ugh> pretty ubuquitous. |
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| 08:05.03 | karsten | navaladi: From a list maintained by a friend: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Apps/screen-capture.html |
| 08:05.56 | karsten | navaladi: Most of those are static capture though. |
| 08:06.02 | tortuguito | HELLO, WANTED YOU THE KNOW REASON WHEN SENDING EMAIL THE SAVED POSTFIX VAI LOGS AND ENXENDO THE HD IF HAS YOU MAKE SOMETHING PRA IT NOT YOU THE SAVE. SOMEBODY COULD HELP ME? |
| 08:06.03 | CyberMad | !id |
| 08:06.03 | dpkg | i heard id is 1d3nt1f1c4t10n. Indonesia 3-letter: idn; countrycode #: 360 |
| 08:06.07 | tortuguito | hello, wanted an aid with postfix reason is twirling it in one schemes mine and it you saving logs and fulling the HD of schemes wanted to know if he has as to take off this. pra it not to save logs. grateful |
| 08:06.13 | karsten | !ops tortuguito lamer |
| 08:06.14 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: karsten complains about: tortuguito lamer |
| 08:06.15 | CyberMad | !idn |
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| 08:06.34 | karsten | azeem: Thanks |
| 08:06.58 | navaladi | karsten:yeah even for static capture dozen programes are available..they stick to static. |
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| 08:08.22 | karsten | navaladi: You could run the vncviewer on Windows and use anything that would run there </punt> |
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| 08:09.42 | karsten | navaladi: xvidcap is another I think does video. |
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| 08:11.20 | karsten | navaladi: vncrec can output to arbitrary audio formats including mpeg, avi, animated gif. |
| 08:11.40 | karsten | navaladi: ...and if you can get mpeg or avi, you should be able to use a tool such as kino to convert further. |
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| 08:11.51 | navaladi | karsten:yeah u r right ..so that is why i am setting u p vnserver now.. |
| 08:12.14 | navaladi | karsten:yeah u r right ..so, that is why i am setting u p vnserver now.. |
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| 08:13.08 | karsten | xvidcap was IIRC available as a third-party deb at one point. I think I had trouble getting it to work. |
| 08:13.09 | DaveLib | back been trying xlassie and gmail so xlassie runs but it fails to connect to the gmail pop3 server |
| 08:13.18 | navaladi | karsten: vncrec itself not usefull...when i run a vncrec programme..it starts recording...but i wanna to show demo on "BASICs OF LINUX " VIDEO.. |
| 08:13.19 | karsten | DaveLib: At what point? |
| 08:13.37 | DaveLib | the gmail docs say they require SSL and i see no mention of SSL in man xlassie |
| 08:13.50 | navaladi | karsten: SO i have have a working remote desktop to show a dem...have u got? |
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| 08:14.19 | karsten | DaveLib: Hrm.... |
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| 08:14.24 | DaveLib | well in a shell i give the xlassie command an xlassie window opens just sits there with empty white contents |
| 08:14.27 | karsten | DaveLib: ... and as my friends say... |
| 08:14.33 | karsten | DaveLib: ... "First do no hrm. |
| 08:14.42 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: looks like it might be libcairo2, from #376714 (in case you care) trying downgrade now. |
| 08:14.43 | navaladi | karsten:what ever i am doing with vnc desktop will be recorded in a file..that's enough..then i ll use transcode to convert AVI.. |
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| 08:15.17 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Ugh. Interesting, keep us posted. |
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| 08:15.23 | navaladi | karsten:For that demo the remote desktop of vncserver is appearing?have u get it? |
| 08:15.36 | karsten | navaladi: Sorry? What demo? URL? |
| 08:15.36 | DaveLib | and then abt 4 minutes later (i didnt time it guessing) it quits and the shell (i didnt background xlassie in the shell) prints msg: unable to connect to pop server and falls back to the shell |
| 08:15.49 | karsten | DaveLib: 4 minutes would be a timeout. |
| 08:15.54 | cmdrwalrus | @!#%!$%!! No dice. |
| 08:16.03 | karsten | DaveLib: 'time <cmd>' will give the elapsed if you want to try. |
| 08:16.06 | DaveLib | yes: actually the msg says: timeout: or something |
| 08:16.10 | niklas-_ | Is there a commando for cleaning all .deb files that isn't installed, and fetch all missing .deb files for installed packages? |
| 08:16.15 | cmdrwalrus | and it's bedtime-and-a-half... |
| 08:16.21 | DaveLib | what is SSL? |
| 08:16.33 | karsten | niklas-_: aptitude clean |
| 08:16.39 | DaveLib | maybe xlassie isnt doing it and gmail wants it |
| 08:16.43 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: Thanks for all the help... |
| 08:16.56 | niklas-_ | karsten: Does it fetch missing .deb files too? |
| 08:17.17 | karsten | DaveLib: SSL == secure sockets layer. It's a host-based authentication (remote host to you) and encryption (bidirectional) protocol. It's the 's' in https |
| 08:17.20 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: I'll have to revisit this one after the weekend... good night. |
| 08:17.24 | karsten | niklas-_: One sec. |
| 08:17.28 | karsten | cmdrwalrus: Good luck. |
| 08:17.35 | cmdrwalrus | karsten: thanks! |
| 08:17.37 | niklas-_ | thanks :) |
| 08:17.43 | DaveLib | hmm ya sometimes in firefox i get https |
| 08:17.59 | karsten | niklas-_: 'autoclean' removes any stale DEB downloads from /var/cache/apt/archives/ |
| 08:18.00 | DaveLib | so i have it installed |
| 08:18.01 | navaladi | karsten:DEMO means i want to show a demo for public..for that i am using *vncrec* programme.AND that vidoe will be used in DEMO. |
| 08:18.06 | karsten | niklas-_: 'clean' removes *ALL* DEBs. |
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| 08:18.30 | DaveLib | hey karsten: does the ssl solve your prev concerns abt pop3 vs apop ? |
| 08:18.59 | niklas-_ | karsten: thanks - but let's say i'd apt-get clean 2 days ago, and i need to fetch the missing .deb files for my apt-move thingie |
| 08:19.36 | karsten | niklas-_: aptitude -d install --reinstall $( dpkg --get-selections | egrep '^I(hold|install)' | awk '{print $1}' ) |
| 08:19.53 | niklas-_ | sweet :D thank you karsten |
| 08:20.07 | karsten | niklas-_: ... will do a down-load-only install w/ reinstall (to force download for installed, up-to-date packages) for everything. |
| 08:20.12 | karsten | niklas-_: Note '^I' == a tab. |
| 08:20.21 | karsten | niklas-_: in the egrep expression. |
| 08:20.30 | navaladi | karsten: ok thanks i ll try in the web..i ll let u know if i get the solution..bye |
| 08:20.49 | karsten | navaladi: Good luck. |
| 08:21.12 | cydork | DabeLib, pop is secure if you use ssl |
| 08:21.20 | niklas-_ | karsten: ah ok - thanks again :D |
| 08:21.26 | karsten | niklas-_: If you're doing this frequently I'd suggest you look at apt-proxy |
| 08:21.38 | karsten | niklas-_: It's a proxy caching server for Debian package downloads. |
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| 08:22.15 | karsten | DaveLib: IIUC apop itself only encrypts the authentication portion of the session, mail transfer itself absent SSL is _not_ encrypted (but email over the net is generally not encrypted anyway). |
| 08:22.21 | niklas-_ | that's somehow what i want to do :D |
| 08:22.30 | niklas-_ | I do get an error: aptitude: unrecognised option `--reinstall' |
| 08:22.31 | karsten | niklas-_: Yeah, that's why I mentioned it. |
| 08:22.37 | karsten | niklas-_: Sec... |
| 08:22.42 | karsten | niklas-_: Going from memory here. |
| 08:23.03 | karsten | niklas-_: aptitude -d reinstall <packagelist> |
| 08:23.12 | cydork | nikas-_, you can use apt-get --download-only option too |
| 08:23.13 | karsten | niklas-_: ... rather than 'aptitude -d install --reinstall' |
| 08:23.14 | niklas-_ | It's okay :D glad you're helping me this much |
| 08:23.20 | niklas-_ | oki :D |
| 08:23.26 | karsten | cydork: That won't re-fetch up-to-date packages. |
| 08:23.41 | karsten | cydork: ... and '-d' === '--download-only' |
| 08:24.49 | cydork | karsten, oh that's true :P, i dont use aptitude much |
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| 08:25.02 | karsten | cydork: Same applies to apt-get as well ;-) |
| 08:25.22 | karsten | cydork: ... except that '--reinstall' *is* an apt-get option. |
| 08:25.25 | niklas-_ | karsten: hmm it doesn't fetch anything :/ |
| 08:25.36 | karsten | niklas-_: ... and that's my excuse for my confusion. |
| 08:26.01 | karsten | niklas-_: Seperate out the 'dpkg --get-seletions' bit (everything inside the parens, but lose the parens) and run that. |
| 08:26.15 | karsten | niklas-_: You should get a long list of packages. If not, your egrep expression's broken. |
| 08:26.38 | cydork | niklas-_, there is a debpartial-mirror you can use that too i guess but i have never used it. |
| 08:26.53 | karsten | niklas-_: So: dpkg --get-selections | egrep ' (hold|install)' |
| 08:27.00 | karsten | niklas-_: Note that it's a tab following the "'" |
| 08:27.12 | niklas-_ | yup moment |
| 08:28.00 | niklas-_ | Hmm, heh when hitting that bash tries to autocomplete something :p |
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| 08:29.20 | karsten | niklas-_: I just running this, note the '-s' for "show-only / no-act", and it works as expected: aptitude -s -d reinstall $( dpkg --get-selections | egrep '^I |
| 08:29.20 | karsten | (hold|install)' | awk '{print $1}' ) |
| 08:29.21 | Tallu | Anyone here ever returned a OEM windows license for a refund? |
| 08:29.38 | niklas-_ | hmm |
| 08:29.50 | karsten | niklas-_: Hrm. Maybe not. |
| 08:30.04 | karsten | Tallu: http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/7040 |
| 08:30.06 | Tallu | I know you can with a retail copy but I'm not 100% sure about the OEM so I was hoping to hear if anyones had experience with this |
| 08:30.17 | simonrvn | karsten: dude! |
| 08:30.21 | empement | hi does anyone have any ideas why "my" GNOME feels heavy as hell? Xfce runs very smoothly. (P4 2.8GHz, 1.5GB RAM, 200GB HD, Nvidia 6600GT) |
| 08:30.31 | karsten | simonrvn: Yo! |
| 08:30.33 | Tallu | karsten: thanks |
| 08:31.06 | simonrvn | :) |
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| 08:32.39 | Tallu | karsten: that's great :) |
| 08:33.03 | simonrvn | karsten: how are you? |
| 08:33.17 | niklas-_ | karsten: got it working by putting the command into a script file, replacing ^I with a normal tab |
| 08:33.37 | vci | how can i install mysql in debian? |
| 08:34.03 | karsten | simonrvn: See bleh |
| 08:34.08 | niklas-_ | karsten: it now complains about a custom package (my kernel package) :/ |
| 08:34.10 | cydork | vci, man apt-get |
| 08:34.28 | karsten | niklas-_: You might need to prune that list, I ran into some similar issues. |
| 08:34.41 | niklas-_ | okay |
| 08:35.15 | karsten | niklas-_: ... but in *theory*, that one-liner works great ;-) |
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| 08:35.44 | empement | no one seems to be willing to help me today :) |
| 08:36.01 | karsten | empement: I'd chalk it up to "that's GNOME for you". |
| 08:36.38 | karsten | empement: Usual system profiling suggestions: check for apps using a lot of CPU, memory, check usage of swap. iostat/vmstat, top, and ps are your friends. |
| 08:37.00 | niklas-_ | karsten: hehe yeah |
| 08:37.05 | karsten | empement: I'm not an unbiased nor friendly source of GNOME info though. |
| 08:37.43 | karsten | niklas-_: Might dump the package list to a file and nuke the packages which generate beefs. Keep track of which those are and see why / where you can get them as needed. |
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| 08:38.13 | empement | and how do i check these? with System Monitor? (i am newbie) |
| 08:38.28 | niklas-_ | I think it has a few problem with the version numbers |
| 08:38.34 | niklas-_ | that might be caused of me running testing |
| 08:38.55 | karsten | empement: 'top' will show you an updating list of processes, with CPU, memory, and other utilization. |
| 08:39.16 | karsten | empement: 'P' sorts by Processor usage, 'M' by Memory. 'q' to quit. |
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| 08:39.38 | karsten | empement: 'vmstat 4' will show you usage of swap space (vm subsystem) until you ^C quit. |
| 08:40.16 | karsten | empement: The 'si' and 'so' values tell you how much swapping you're doing, 'wa' is the iowait value (how much of processor time is lost waiting for IO to happen). |
| 08:40.30 | karsten | empement: Consistent high values in any of those fields is bad news. |
| 08:40.39 | empement | aham |
| 08:40.42 | empement | ok thx :) |
| 08:40.54 | karsten | empement: iostat 4 gives you similar information but broken out by storage device. |
| 08:41.15 | empement | what does that mean? |
| 08:41.34 | karsten | empement: Kill hoggish apps. Nautilus (the GNOME file viewer) is really bad, lots of dock applets, etc., can slow you down. |
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| 08:41.47 | karsten | empement: Don't worry for now. |
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| 08:42.21 | karsten | empement: If you want to paste a minute or so's worth of vmstat: 'vmstat 4 15 | tee /tmp/vmstat.log' and paste that file to the paster |
| 08:42.24 | ircme | curious, i thought #debian was moving to a diff server (irc.debian.org?) |
| 08:42.25 | karsten | !tell empement about paster |
| 08:42.43 | karsten | ircme: The official irc.debian.org server is now hosted on oftc.net. |
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| 08:42.52 | karsten | ircme: You're in #debian at irc.freenode.net |
| 08:43.00 | karsten | ircme: ... with all the cool kids. |
| 08:43.39 | empement | ok thx :) |
| 08:43.39 | ircme | karsten: hmm, name rings a bell. ltns? |
| 08:43.41 | Diazepam | guys is there a command to determine your default MTA? |
| 08:43.45 | ircme | simonrvn: ! |
| 08:43.49 | karsten | ircme: ?? |
| 08:43.49 | Diazepam | or how do you tell? |
| 08:43.52 | cydork | ircme, irc.debian.org has shifted to oftc, that's the offical one, there is where are the l337 hang out :) |
| 08:43.58 | empement | i'm gonna login in gnome to check everything out :) |
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| 08:44.19 | karsten | ircme: I've been around here for a few years, not sure if you had something else in mind. |
| 08:44.24 | ircme | cydork: lol, so irc.d.o is for what? noobs? :) or just the devs? |
| 08:44.29 | simonrvn | ircme: eh? |
| 08:44.34 | karsten | Diazepam: ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail |
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| 08:44.50 | simonrvn | ircme: it did move. the CNAME. |
| 08:45.11 | karsten | ircme: Some of the DDs prefer oftc to freenode. I'm not entirely clear on why. |
| 08:45.13 | Diazepam | karsten but what if you also have exim installed? |
| 08:45.29 | karsten | Diazepam: Then you'll find sendmail is a link to exim ;-) |
| 08:45.52 | karsten | Diazepam: 'sendmail' is generally the command interface, pointing to whatever the actual mailer is. |
| 08:45.54 | ircme | simonrvn: i cant believe you dont recognize me! lol |
| 08:46.01 | Diazepam | ahha! |
| 08:46.01 | n00biest | do you know VESA modes at higher resolutions? like 1920x1200? |
| 08:46.10 | karsten | Diazepam: Trick doesn't work if someone's conned you into running qmail AFAIK. |
| 08:46.24 | karsten | n00biest: vesa @ 1024x768 here. |
| 08:47.12 | cydork | !info sendmail |
| 08:47.17 | n00biest | karsten: that's the best I got, too |
| 08:47.20 | cydork | wtf? |
| 08:47.39 | nemo | here's a question. is there a recommended pop3d these days? it's not something that I've seen much in the way of comparative reviews of |
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| 08:48.07 | simonrvn | i will after i /whois you |
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| 08:48.25 | simonrvn | ok, i think i do now |
| 08:48.28 | cydork | ~info sendmail |
| 08:48.40 | ircme | simonrvn: lol, i would save you the trouble if I didnt suspect someone i dont wise to talk to watching for me on irc all the time lol |
| 08:48.44 | lodder_ | question would testing be wise to run on a server |
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| 08:49.07 | EvilDin | hay how to compress to zip file with debian |
| 08:49.09 | karsten | Yes, sendmail is scalable. |
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| 08:49.13 | ircme | simonrvn: yuppers. sorry, no reg'd yet, cant reply |
| 08:49.14 | EvilDin | i find only unzip commandž |
| 08:49.18 | karsten | It has scales. And claws. And breathes fire.... |
| 08:49.18 | simonrvn | EvilDin: hay is for horses |
| 08:49.29 | EvilDin | :) |
| 08:49.35 | karsten | !zip |
| 08:49.35 | dpkg | from memory, zip is the file extension of the archive format formerly known as PK-Zip. Use "zip" to create them and "unzip" to extract them. |
| 08:49.39 | MrNaz | i've supposedly got 4gb of ram in my server, but i get this: |
| 08:49.39 | MrNaz | mrnaz:/proc# cat meminfo |
| 08:49.39 | MrNaz | MemTotal: 3345992 kB |
| 08:49.47 | MrNaz | is some ram faulty or is that normal? |
| 08:49.50 | ircme | simonrvn: besides, i heard that freenode got comprimised (thanks to lilo?) |
| 08:49.59 | ircme | simonrvn: no idea if my password even works still |
| 08:50.04 | karsten | MrNaz: 3/1 memory split in Linux. 1 GB reserved for kernel, 3 for apps. |
| 08:50.26 | simonrvn | something like that. i don't remember details |
| 08:50.35 | k31th | Are there any small firewall front ends? if i was shell'd to a CentOS box i would use "setup" and then just say which ports i wish to allow... I guess I could just go read the iptables manual |
| 08:50.53 | karsten | MrNaz: http://kerneltrap.org/node/2450 |
| 08:50.56 | ircme | simonrvn: go figure, i wake up to read about it on /. And lilo was the only that gave me mine lol |
| 08:51.05 | ircme | oh well, here goes nothing... |
| 08:51.16 | simonrvn | good luck |
| 08:51.31 | lodder_ | question would testing be wise to run on a server |
| 08:51.35 | troubled | simonrvn: yup, seems to work :) |
| 08:51.38 | troubled | simonrvn: evenin |
| 08:51.39 | karsten | k31th: all firewall tools suck. shorewall / mason might do you right. |
| 08:51.50 | simonrvn | hi |
| 08:51.54 | karsten | lodder_: Depends on the server and your required SLA. |
| 08:52.01 | troubled | simonrvn: OMG! simon! lol |
| 08:52.10 | k31th | karsten: ill jsut rtfm for iptables then.. and test my rules on this local box first :s |
| 08:52.18 | lodder_ | karsten: SLA ? the server is celeron 600 MHZ |
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| 08:52.50 | simonrvn | kinda like why someone would need a hole in the head, when in fact we have 7? ;) |
| 08:53.00 | oomph | !sources |
| 08:53.00 | dpkg | sources is probably /etc/apt/sources.list is the file which stores a list of repositories that apt-get/aptitude use for downloading packags. "man sources.list" for a description of its format. If you are using sarge/stable you can use apt-setup to alter this file, also ask me about <mirrors>, <apt-setup>, <apt-spy> |
| 08:53.04 | karsten | lodder_: Is your server providing six-sigma uptime to millions of people or "wups, gotta call frank again, he's out fishing" for a small office? |
| 08:53.05 | troubled | karsten: :p |
| 08:53.08 | cydork | k31th, check shorewall as karsten said and you wont have to learn iptables :P |
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| 08:53.18 | simonrvn | they should say, "like we needa an eighth hole in the head" |
| 08:53.24 | oomph | !mirrors |
| 08:53.24 | dpkg | from memory, debian mirrors is use apt-setup if you are running sarge, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror, or ask me about <apt-spy> |
| 08:53.27 | troubled | karsten: im the daemon that nobody wants but everyone has and doesnt know it :p |
| 08:53.38 | troubled | karsten: ltns.... |
| 08:53.39 | karsten | troubled: ;-) |
| 08:53.40 | cydork | oomph, you can /msg dpkg |
| 08:53.42 | simonrvn | AKA murphy's law |
| 08:53.52 | karsten | troubled: I think I've got competing rogue installs of you right now. |
| 08:53.54 | troubled | good times... |
| 08:53.57 | oomph | k, just trying to find sources list for sarge |
| 08:53.59 | tralala | oomph: what are you doing? |
| 08:54.13 | simonrvn | shooting him/herself in the foot? ;p |
| 08:54.15 | MrNaz | karsten aaah cool... how does it decide the split? my server used to be 2gb before i put the extra 2 in last night when i went for a visit to the datacenter... so it just detected on bootup the extra ram and adjusted the split? |
| 08:54.18 | troubled | karsten: apt-get remove --purge troubled\*? |
| 08:54.32 | oomph | i installed xorcom an asterisk distro based on debian sarge and wanted to add the sarge sources |
| 08:54.41 | cydork | oomph, you can use apt-setup to setup sources.list for sarge |
| 08:54.53 | karsten | troubled: pre-remove script failed, dpkg exited with error. |
| 08:54.57 | troubled | simonrvn: grr, is that SimAtWork your doing? |
| 08:55.01 | tralala | oomph: you will break your distro by mixing it with packages from another one |
| 08:55.03 | karsten | MrNaz: Read that article. |
| 08:55.03 | simonrvn | nope |
| 08:55.09 | troubled | karsten: yup, you got me installed :) |
| 08:55.10 | simonrvn | i *am* at work ;p |
| 08:55.10 | karsten | MrNaz: It's written by someone smarter than me. |
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| 08:55.35 | oomph | tralala : even if its based on sarge? |
| 08:55.37 | simonrvn | oomph: yup. shoot. self. in. foot. |
| 08:55.43 | troubled | btw, etch gnome is nice for those responsible and watching |
| 08:56.05 | oomph | damn, i want to install more apps to it |
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| 08:56.12 | karsten | MrNaz: There's a number of highmem options available. I think all of 'em limit you one way or another, or by performance. If it really matters, get a 64 bit AMD system. |
| 08:56.16 | cydork | oomph, no if you are using just sarge it's fine just run apt-setup |
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| 08:56.32 | tralala | oomph: most likely, yes. Of course, you can try, but don't be surprised if/when it breaks. |
| 08:56.46 | troubled | simonrvn: still doin your thing eh? just about to move and disconnect modem soon myself. thought i would drop by (still same ip, can you imagine!) |
| 08:56.46 | simonrvn | troubled: i've been damned busy going to all these pow-wows. i started pow-wow drumming again after a 10-year hiatus. been doing so for about a year now. |
| 08:56.49 | karsten | MrNaz: You can use PAE but there's a significant hit actually accessing memory at that scale. |
| 08:56.59 | oomph | http://www.xorcom.com/rapid/ this is what im working with |
| 08:56.59 | simonrvn | troubled: oh my |
| 08:57.02 | cydork | tralala, he justs want to add the sources for sarge .. |
| 08:57.04 | simonrvn | wow, nice |
| 08:57.17 | karsten | MrNaz: ... and PAE still restricts you to 4 GB per process. |
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| 08:57.19 | xstasi | hi |
| 08:57.25 | simonrvn | troubled: yuppers. still doin' it |
| 08:57.41 | troubled | simonrvn: man have I got a story for you :) it involves someone playing with my email and claiming no email was recieved! |
| 08:58.04 | simonrvn | shoot |
| 08:58.08 | xstasi | any reason why tor is not on debian etch? |
| 08:58.16 | tralala | cydork: yes, this is innocent on its own. However I would expect that once added the sources will be used to actually install packages. This isn't innocent any more (did you notice he's not using debian?) |
| 08:58.19 | dev52 | !bts |
| 08:58.20 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 08:58.22 | troubled | simonrvn: my imap emails in one account were erased, and the other party is pretending to never have recieved it (yet no sendmail errors were giving during send) |
| 08:58.34 | dev52 | xstasi: see above |
| 08:58.39 | troubled | simonrvn: whats worse, I think the admin of my mta is in on it |
| 08:58.43 | cydork | tralala, i thought he was using sarge :P |
| 08:58.46 | simonrvn | wtf |
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| 08:58.48 | deadcat | xstasi: check non-free or contrib |
| 08:58.53 | xstasi | why? |
| 08:58.56 | xstasi | is tor non-free? |
| 08:59.01 | xstasi | does it depend on non-free software? |
| 08:59.02 | deadcat | dont know |
| 08:59.06 | cydork | ~find tor etch |
| 08:59.08 | tralala | tor is only in unstable! |
| 08:59.11 | simonrvn | wth would anyone delete someone else's email? |
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| 08:59.14 | tralala | check the bugs page |
| 08:59.17 | xstasi | ok, enough said |
| 08:59.22 | dev52 | xstasi: try google? |
| 08:59.23 | deadcat | tralala: ah.. no wonder i have it here (= |
| 08:59.25 | troubled | simonrvn: me you and everyone here know that once a mail is sent, its sent. And the imap account was wiped about 2 days later |
| 08:59.34 | deadcat | xstasi: just pick it up from unstable |
| 08:59.37 | xstasi | yep |
| 08:59.40 | troubled | simonrvn: was work related. explaining to the boss my "concerns" |
| 08:59.43 | xstasi | i'm gonna debuild it back |
| 09:00.04 | dev52 | cmon, information is AVAILABLE thru the use of -non- human processes... please learn to use them |
| 09:00.08 | troubled | simonrvn: i think they did it to prevent them from ackowledging the emails for legal reasons |
| 09:00.18 | simonrvn | i see |
| 09:00.29 | karsten | bbiam |
| 09:00.39 | simonrvn | bastards |
| 09:00.48 | troubled | simonrvn: whats worse, either the admin did it, or someone had my password. and the mta admin could only restore my emails to the day a week prior before they were sent |
| 09:01.19 | troubled | simonrvn: tell me about it. piss me off is what it did cause I know they would have recieved it. plus someones been unlocking my door! |
| 09:01.27 | tralala | oomph: there isn't an easy way to tell if you can install sarge packages on your disto without breaking it. The chances are that some packages will be fine while others will break it. That said if you like russian roulette - go ahed. |
| 09:01.31 | tralala | ahead |
| 09:01.56 | oomph | tralala im simply testing it on vmware atm |
| 09:02.00 | simonrvn | troubled: lemme guess, you're shit disturbing (in a good way of course :) and someone doesn't like it |
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| 09:02.03 | oomph | tralala so its worth a shot i guess |
| 09:02.12 | vci | where i can found the package of mysql and php? |
| 09:02.13 | troubled | simonrvn: that about sums it up. |
| 09:02.14 | tralala | oomph: it is - if you have nothing to lose |
| 09:02.22 | oomph | basically, ya |
| 09:02.29 | tralala | xstasi: oh, it's also in the backports |
| 09:02.29 | deadcat | vci: apt-cache search |
| 09:02.38 | xstasi | what backports? |
| 09:02.43 | simonrvn | troubled: well, here's one for you: "fuck the fucking fuckers" |
| 09:02.44 | tralala | xstasi: /msg dpkg backports |
| 09:02.47 | oomph | im trying to run asterisk at home and prefer to use a debian based distro instead of trixbox which is based on centos |
| 09:02.50 | troubled | simonrvn: not to mention that a few days before about 4 machines i take care of came down with problems. i think someone trying to make me look bad in return :/ |
| 09:03.01 | simonrvn | looks like :( |
| 09:03.04 | simonrvn | BRB |
| 09:03.22 | n00biest | big problem. after installing a new custom kernel, wireless adapter becomes eth0, eth1 si my Ethernet adapter then ieee1394 becomes eth1 |
| 09:03.26 | n00biest | terrible mess |
| 09:03.35 | troubled | simonrvn: whats worse, a copy of a video i took showing something incriminating of another employee got "corrupted" on my winxp install. (thank god for backups) |
| 09:03.39 | n00biest | the thing is i want my ethernet back :( |
| 09:03.44 | vci | you must give exactly one pattern? it it the reply |
| 09:03.52 | dev52 | n00biest: does that now happen every reboot? |
| 09:04.08 | n00biest | yes |
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| 09:04.19 | n00biest | every reboot |
| 09:04.21 | troubled | simonrvn: of course they are claiming im being "paranoid" lol. What they dont understand is that the email issue gave them away |
| 09:04.38 | dev52 | so.... accept the new order, edit your /etc/network/interfaces to reflect the new names and be happy :) |
| 09:04.47 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh, for sure |
| 09:04.53 | tralala | oomph: but asterisk is alrady *in* debian. Why don't you just install debian and use it? |
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| 09:05.00 | tralala | already |
| 09:05.01 | simonrvn | wrt the email thing |
| 09:05.05 | tralala | !soot my typing |
| 09:05.09 | tralala | !shoot my typing |
| 09:05.14 | n00biest | dev52: i have no problem with the new order, except that fire-wire insists on becaming eth1 |
| 09:05.17 | dev52 | well seems the easiest way to go to me |
| 09:05.18 | simonrvn | @kill my typist |
| 09:05.24 | oomph | tralala ya but xorcom does lots of neat things to set it up |
| 09:05.27 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 09:05.31 | n00biest | dev52: after reboot, my ethernet adapter is gone |
| 09:05.43 | oomph | tralala i may try your suggestion, just learning and experimenting mostly |
| 09:05.46 | k31th | Guys. I have used sendmail in the past however i have changed my MTA to postfix now... but when i do an apt-get update apt-get upgrade its asking to to upgrade // sendmail-base sendmail-cf sensible-mda |
| 09:05.47 | dev52 | how many interfaces do you have? |
| 09:05.55 | troubled | simonrvn: so you agree with me on that right? I just cant believe that any person or mta admin would think that just because my imap was wiped that the sendmail/exim logs wouldnt show the email being sent! grrr |
| 09:05.59 | simonrvn | 13 |
| 09:06.02 | n00biest | dev52: actualy, after reboot, all interfaces except lo are gone |
| 09:06.03 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 09:06.13 | troubled | ;) |
| 09:06.17 | n00biest | dev52: physically, there are 3 |
| 09:06.29 | n00biest | dev52: ethernet, wifi, 1394 |
| 09:06.32 | dev52 | and ifconfig -a doesn't show them? |
| 09:06.37 | n00biest | dev52: nope |
| 09:06.48 | n00biest | dev52: sorry |
| 09:06.51 | simonrvn | troubled: uh, yeh it would show. you'd have to explicitly disable logging, or disable it for certain things (doable in exim) for it to not show up |
| 09:06.55 | n00biest | dev52: -a shows them |
| 09:07.02 | simonrvn | (yeh i agree with you IOW) |
| 09:07.02 | dev52 | all three? |
| 09:07.33 | n00biest | dev52: all 5 :) there are: eth0, 1, eth1_temp, lo, sit0 |
| 09:07.38 | simonrvn | that's really fucked up |
| 09:07.51 | troubled | simonrvn: whats worse, the admin i talked with to restore my mail said it may have been a windows virus. thing is, my win box was down for a few days and i was using knoppix and an mail imap client on it to read my mails |
| 09:08.05 | dev52 | hmm... you need to find out what each of those are |
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| 09:08.11 | tralala | oomph: there are a lot of debian distros that have nice shiny little things. However they lack the vast number of packages that debian has so make up your mind - do you want neat little thingies at the expence of missing things or do you want access to huge software archive at the expence of a little bit more work in some areas. |
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| 09:08.16 | simonrvn | ... |
| 09:08.22 | tralala | make that "debian based" |
| 09:08.27 | dev52 | but if the interfaces all come up, it -seems- you can use the names |
| 09:08.37 | troubled | simonrvn: so unless knoppix was comprimised to erase my email accidently, theres no way it was an email virus. of course i cant prove anything unless police sieze tiger direct domain computers |
| 09:08.38 | liable | troubled: look at ifrename, or maybe alter udev rules to suit |
| 09:08.41 | n00biest | dev52: thanks for the suggestion, now that i have found my interfaces, should be easy |
| 09:08.47 | troubled | liable: ? |
| 09:08.51 | dev52 | (I'm imagining you were expecting eth2) |
| 09:08.53 | n00biest | dev52: though, can i rename them? |
| 09:09.01 | liable | troubled: sorry |
| 09:09.01 | liable | n00biest: look at ifrename, or maybe alter udev rules to suit |
| 09:09.03 | dev52 | I think so, but I don't know specifics |
| 09:09.11 | n00biest | yes, eth2 would be nice :) |
| 09:09.32 | dev52 | you might even be able to get the old order |
| 09:09.45 | dev52 | as long as you are sure which each are somehow |
| 09:10.07 | dev52 | (such as: comes up the same order each boot) |
| 09:10.13 | n00biest | dev52: the drivers are compiled into kernel so i guess that's not much i can do about it |
| 09:10.22 | dev52 | ahh, true |
| 09:10.31 | dev52 | but ifrename might be of help |
| 09:10.39 | n00biest | good idea! |
| 09:10.59 | simonrvn | troubled: they'd have to go to a lot of trouble to fuck up a cd. would have to be done while it was still an iso, and editable, or a hidden session on the cd, or something like it |
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| 09:11.14 | dev52 | thank liable... who said about ifrename to troubled |
| 09:11.17 | troubled | simonrvn: my thoughts exactly |
| 09:11.26 | dev52 | (try parsing THAT sentence) |
| 09:11.46 | dev52 | it's almnost as bad as those fake text spams |
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| 09:13.27 | troubled | simonrvn: even worse, i mentioned to the new superintendant about my hd encryption (usb key based) device i had, and he said something like: "would that work if you took the hd out and plugged into it directly", to which i said yes. A few weeks later (after which i had left town on an occassion and thus my apt in his hands), i tried the device. guess what? doesnt work any more |
| 09:14.12 | karsten | Ok, plunging into the brave new world of ACPI. |
| 09:14.13 | troubled | simonrvn: not to mention that the camera system for the building started freezing randomly on boot now and the cdr in it is making noises. |
| 09:14.20 | karsten | 2.6.17-2-686 |
| 09:14.25 | empement | so here are the results from vmstat 4 and from top http://channels.debian.net/paste/3545 |
| 09:14.37 | troubled | simonrvn: something tells me that everything was planned out to make me look bad and im pissed! |
| 09:14.48 | karsten | apm -s : No APM support in kernel. |
| 09:14.54 | karsten | What's the Recommended Way? |
| 09:15.09 | simonrvn | acpitool? |
| 09:15.36 | karsten | empement: Good news: swap's not your problem. |
| 09:15.37 | empement | :) |
| 09:15.58 | empement | then what is my problem? it is just stupid having all this "lag" :( |
| 09:16.08 | troubled | simonrvn: havent tried anything. i quit the company while ago. its their problem now. of course with my door being unlocked (twice while I was home sleeping!) and the camer sysstem down, im hsitant to leave the unit with my computers til i move |
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| 09:17.14 | karsten | simonrvn: OK, interesting. |
| 09:17.14 | karsten | simonrvn: My Thinkpad's having an identity crisis. It doesn't think it's a thinkpad. |
| 09:17.14 | troubled | karsten: and it thinks it what now? |
| 09:17.14 | dev52 | sounds like wishful thinking to me |
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| 09:18.26 | dev52 | any of the backports.org people here? |
| 09:18.26 | simonrvn | troubled: *sigh*. good luck man. keep in touch, ok? |
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| 09:19.02 | troubled | simonrvn: oh for sure. Ive got too much history to just abandon irc ;) Although i admit its been a whlie |
| 09:19.18 | liable | karsten: get the ibm-acpi source from sourceforge, it has all your event and action scripts for acpi |
| 09:19.38 | simonrvn | i mean by e-mail too. just to make sure you're safe. |
| 09:20.00 | troubled | simonrvn: go figure your the first techie i come to gab with about it. Everyone else just just thinks im making things up and dont know what im talkin about lol |
| 09:20.11 | simonrvn | heh |
| 09:20.13 | liable | karsten: i like the hibernate package for suspend shits, its good for unloading shit and stopping services too for things that dont like to play with sleep/hibernate |
| 09:20.14 | troubled | simonrvn: you still nuit? |
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| 09:20.17 | simonrvn | yup |
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| 09:20.47 | troubled | simonrvn: damn, that goes back a long way heh. probably still got my cert's backup up from the day with you |
| 09:20.51 | liable | karsten: though you dont need to compile it, just get the scripts |
| 09:21.11 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh i do have a copy of your certs here still :) |
| 09:21.19 | liable | karsten: though, you can make them yourself anyway :) they arent very technical |
| 09:21.24 | troubled | simonrvn: you know whats funny? if I would have just stuck with running my own dns and email, this email problem would have never happened |
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| 09:21.31 | pavlix | hi people |
| 09:21.39 | simonrvn | my main box has been around through 3 different machines, several hard drives, and several years |
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| 09:21.54 | karsten | simonrvn: Well, the suspend part of suspend-to-disk seemed to work. |
| 09:22.02 | karsten | troubled: Not sure. |
| 09:22.07 | pavlix | can anybody help me with imap? using postfix and dovecot... and I didn |
| 09:22.14 | simonrvn | that's cool |
| 09:22.15 | troubled | simonrvn: you know, the 2 dells still work like the first day I got em :) mind you they dont do much atm (in storage til i relocate) |
| 09:22.23 | pavlix | didn't manage to set it up so that they use the same dirs |
| 09:22.26 | karsten | liable: Any idea of what I need on disk for a suspend-to-disk to _resume_ from disk? |
| 09:22.34 | karsten | simonrvn: ^^ if you know |
| 09:22.42 | pavlix | I was reading and googling with no success yet |
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| 09:22.51 | liable | karsten: have you set the resume partition as a kernel parameter? |
| 09:22.58 | karsten | liable: Nope. |
| 09:23.03 | karsten | liable: Can it use swap? |
| 09:23.09 | liable | karsten: swsup or suspend2? |
| 09:23.16 | karsten | liable: ?? |
| 09:23.18 | liable | karsten: yep |
| 09:23.31 | troubled | karsten: not that ive used it, but i think it needs it own part equal to ram size and not swap |
| 09:23.32 | pavlix | postfix creates dirs without dot and imap uses dirs with dot at the beginning right now |
| 09:23.32 | karsten | liable: ... ok, what's the param, or the FM to R? |
| 09:23.45 | simonrvn | they know more |
| 09:24.13 | troubled | simonrvn: ? |
| 09:24.40 | liable | karsten: i dont know the exact for the in kernel one (swsusp) suspend2 is resume2=swap:/dev/hda5 |
| 09:25.35 | liable | karsten: i guess the kernel doc for swusp would tell you the exact syntax, but its not much different to that |
| 09:25.41 | simonrvn | pavlix: i don't know postfix (ask #postfix on this network), but you can't "tell" it to do otherwise? |
| 09:25.49 | troubled | :( figured that suspend to disk would have copied the memory and swap to alt partition, guess my bad? |
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| 09:26.51 | troubled | simonrvn: anyways, enough about my woes. How goes debian these days? I hear etch be out by years end? |
| 09:26.59 | pavlix | simonrvn: I've forgotten, I use procmail for delivery |
| 09:27.01 | karsten | liable: bootparam(7) is woefully out of date. |
| 09:27.03 | Diazepam | does anyone have a link to a tutorial that can explain how I can set up my default MTA to to connect to my ISP SMTP server |
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| 09:27.16 | otroean | Trying to connect to internet with dialup modem. what modem port and setting must I use? |
| 09:27.31 | simonrvn | troubled: yup. december is the planned time |
| 09:27.32 | liable | karsten: it should be in the kernel docs, though i cant imagine it would be too hard to find on google |
| 09:27.52 | RobHu | I just did a fsck on a lvm parition and the fsck froze and wouldnt let me background it or cancel it. I've sshed in again and tried to kill and kill -9 the fsck but its still just stuck there (root 22823 0.0 0.3 10472 772 ? D 10:23 0:00 fsck /dev/fast/xmrob) any ideas? |
| 09:27.53 | karsten | otroean: Generally /dev/ttyS[0-2] (any of the three com ports). |
| 09:28.22 | karsten | otroean: You should be able to connect, as root, using minicom, and issue an 'AT' command and get an 'OK' response. |
| 09:28.22 | troubled | simonrvn: i look forward to it. using it right now on my xp box. gotta say gnome looks and runs pretty sweet (few glitches though). I even gave the new installer a shot. works nice |
| 09:28.36 | simonrvn | RobHu: reboot. and avoid doing that sort of thing (kill -9 things, esp. things like that) |
| 09:28.49 | pavlix | simonrvn: seems it's slowly getting to work |
| 09:28.58 | RobHu | simonrvn: Is there any way not to reboot? There are other peoples domU's running on here |
| 09:28.59 | simonrvn | troubled: still using sid here. runs like a sweetness. |
| 09:29.23 | simonrvn | RobHu: you could live with it and ignore it, heh |
| 09:29.27 | RobHu | hmmm |
| 09:29.28 | troubled | simonrvn: if kill doesnt work, wouldnt a reboot just halt waiting to kill all pid's? perhaps forced reboot after sync to hd's? |
| 09:29.43 | karsten | RobHu: What's dmesg or kern.log telling you about how much fsck is hating life? |
| 09:29.45 | dev52 | any of the backports.org people here? the "Packages" link on the left doesn't work |
| 09:29.57 | karsten | RobHu: What version of Xen? |
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| 09:29.58 | simonrvn | no, it'll work, 'cause the kernel 'overrides' it, IME |
| 09:30.07 | troubled | simonrvn: even sid on your mail/dns/etc daemon boxen? |
| 09:30.19 | troubled | ime? |
| 09:30.25 | simonrvn | troubled: yeh. i'm nuts =). though there's one machine running etch |
| 09:30.28 | simonrvn | !ime |
| 09:30.28 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, ime is in my experience |
| 09:30.30 | RobHu | karsten: There are no fsck entries in kern.log |
| 09:30.31 | karsten | RobHu: ... and you should be able to suspend/restart the DomUs. Worst comes to worst you can schedule 20 minutes of downtime, and hope to be back up in 5. |
| 09:30.46 | RobHu | karsten: Xen 3.0.2 |
| 09:30.50 | simonrvn | shutdown -r 20 or such |
| 09:31.11 | karsten | RobHu: OK, I was last running 2.x and some RCs of 3. |
| 09:31.25 | karsten | RobHu: How stable did suspend/restore get in Xen? It was flakey in Feb. |
| 09:31.35 | RobHu | I've never used suspend |
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| 09:31.56 | karsten | RobHu: Well, you can learn on a live system or tell your users they're going to have to shut down ;-) |
| 09:32.00 | RobHu | heh |
| 09:32.34 | karsten | RobHu: entries may not be fsck themselves. Could be drive issues, filesystem, or other drivers. |
| 09:32.48 | troubled | RobHu: kinda curious what effect suspend has on time sensitive stuff on reboot/reload. i know first hand that setting time ahead in X activates the screensaver instantly unlike windows |
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| 09:33.38 | karsten | liable: Does /proc/software_suspend/do_resume ring any bells? I'm not finding the 2nd level directory at all. |
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| 09:35.14 | karsten | liable: OK, trying again. |
| 09:35.45 | liable | karsten: i dunno what hibernate uses irt to /proc or /sys |
| 09:36.00 | karsten | liable: And if I've got multiple swap partitions? Do both suspend and resume use the 'resume2' value? |
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| 09:36.08 | simonrvn | troubled: well, xscreensaver needs to be updated to support newer behaviours, IMO |
| 09:36.11 | liable | karsten: yep |
| 09:36.23 | karsten | OK, see you on the flipside. |
| 09:36.37 | simonrvn | that would solve a lot of problems (other than fixing broken BIOSes and chipsets ;) |
| 09:36.40 | troubled | simonrvn: i agree. i was kinda caught off guard when I adjusted my time from utc to est and the screen locked heh |
| 09:36.42 | simonrvn | see you k-dog |
| 09:36.49 | liable | karsten: i dunno if resume2 is correct for swsusp |
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| 09:37.36 | troubled | simonrvn: curious, your registrar support paypal? |
| 09:37.58 | simonrvn | no, CC, cert. cheque, or money order |
| 09:38.44 | troubled | simonrvn: might change registrars myself soon. go back to self hosting. least I can trust my own machines |
| 09:38.54 | simonrvn | for sure |
| 09:39.04 | liable | karsten: for swsusp its just resume=dev/foo |
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| 09:39.24 | soop | dude, question ... I'm unhappy with the conduct in ubuntus irc world |
| 09:39.38 | soop | will debian ban me for simple banter? |
| 09:39.40 | otroean | karsten: I'm new with linux. Could you describe minicom -> |
| 09:39.43 | soop | if f*ck a bad word here? |
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| 09:40.09 | troubled | simonrvn: was considering dyndns, but I think they are CC only as well. no biggie though. |
| 09:40.26 | liable | soop: you will get told off for OT stuff mostly, but no, you can say fuck here |
| 09:40.29 | troubled | simonrvn: preferably somehting *nix friendly |
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| 09:40.36 | soop | well yah |
| 09:40.44 | liable | soop: install debian |
| 09:40.47 | soop | so you wouldnt ban me in #debian-offtopic for sure? |
| 09:40.51 | soop | i know dude |
| 09:40.58 | troubled | simonrvn: by that i mean pro open source |
| 09:40.58 | simonrvn | fuck is ok. you can say fuck for fucking any fucking reason so fucking ever |
| 09:41.02 | soop | ubuntu was my first toe into the debian environment ... |
| 09:41.10 | simonrvn | yeh |
| 09:41.12 | troubled | fuck me! |
| 09:41.12 | cydork | simonrvn, hhehh :P |
| 09:41.16 | soop | i've been using slackware for ages thought wtf, lets try a different distro |
| 09:41.20 | soop | see how it is |
| 09:41.26 | soop | fuck i still use windowmaker |
| 09:41.28 | simonrvn | i lie in .ca, fuck is like air up here |
| 09:41.31 | simonrvn | live* |
| 09:41.35 | troubled | soop: fuck, you try debian yet? |
| 09:41.46 | cydork | soop, forget ubuntu install debian :) |
| 09:42.18 | mad_muppet | I have a 3500 amd 64 using a a8n-e motherboard .. I tried installing debian and it didnt recognise the lan .. should I try the 64 version |
| 09:42.27 | soop | thats it debian here i come |
| 09:42.32 | soop | I had such high hopes for ubuntu |
| 09:43.11 | troubled | soop: i havent used ubuntu, but i dont think you will mind debian if ya try it |
| 09:43.25 | troubled | soop: been hooked for years now myself |
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| 09:43.32 | soop | does it have just a workstation install? |
| 09:43.48 | troubled | simonrvn: curious, what bot command to show my first recorded date in channel logs? or is there? |
| 09:43.49 | soop | similar to ubuntu or is it more like slackware where you either do it all or know what you're doing |
| 09:43.52 | troubled | !troubled |
| 09:43.53 | dpkg | i guess troubled is a stats whore, or http://debstats.mine.nu/'s pimpdaddy, or resident trouble daemon on #debian, or a Sarah McLachlan fan. rather troubled, or a lesbian |
| 09:44.14 | troubled | !info troubled |
| 09:44.17 | soop | dude my wife wore her sarah mclachlan shirt to a korn, marilyn manson danzig tour |
| 09:44.23 | soop | i think she's insane |
| 09:44.25 | troubled | how i find out date of that entry? |
| 09:44.46 | troubled | (sorry, been a few years hehe) |
| 09:45.06 | dev52 | info is of a package |
| 09:45.14 | troubled | i see that |
| 09:45.17 | dev52 | !info troubled |
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| 09:45.27 | simonrvn | troubled: 'seen' |
| 09:45.33 | troubled | !seen troubled |
| 09:45.33 | dpkg | troubled is currently on #debian. Has said a total of 67 messages. Is idling for 0s, last said: '!seen troubled'. |
| 09:45.40 | simonrvn | though that's the *last* |
| 09:45.55 | simonrvn | not the before last time. |
| 09:45.58 | troubled | how i find out when !troubled was made? just looking for rough date |
| 09:46.35 | azeem | troubled -- created by kawfee <unknown@cs6669194-106.austin.rr.com> at Thu Sep 26 06:07:22 2002 |
| 09:46.59 | simonrvn | whoah |
| 09:47.09 | troubled | bah, i go back before that dont I?! |
| 09:47.18 | soop | k, another stupid question ... debian users generally more console centric, or gui ... synaptic or apt-get? |
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| 09:47.38 | troubled | hrmm, time for nickserv....sec |
| 09:47.43 | Ronin | soop: all of the abouve, all depends on the user |
| 09:48.15 | Hoxzer | hmmm |
| 09:48.15 | troubled | Registered: 3 years 41 weeks 4 days (9h 22m 25s) ago |
| 09:48.15 | Hoxzer | I might setup samba now as I have nothing to do .. here |
| 09:48.15 | troubled | guess not that long heh |
| 09:48.20 | Hoxzer | but :( I cannot get Nxclient to install here |
| 09:48.30 | troubled | mind you i was an efnet whore for 4 years before that i figure |
| 09:48.34 | Hoxzer | and I would have to do it on commandline which would take much much more time |
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| 09:49.15 | soop | ronin, pico or vi? |
| 09:49.20 | dev52 | why? can't type well? |
| 09:49.21 | soop | cuz damnit I'm a pico fan |
| 09:49.21 | troubled | soop: nano! |
| 09:49.36 | dev52 | hippo! |
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| 09:49.49 | mIRC-Melody | Hi guys! I'm new to the IRC! Can you all help me? |
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| 09:50.04 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: hooya |
| 09:50.15 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: try /help newuser |
| 09:50.19 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: windows eh? |
| 09:50.24 | soop | see i seemed to accidentally launch nano one day ... it seems to be pico ... whats the diff? |
| 09:50.31 | mIRC-Melody | I hear that mIRC is very addictive! |
| 09:50.42 | mIRC-Melody | yep troubled, i use XP! |
| 09:50.46 | soop | mirc-melody geeze ... mirc #scribus |
| 09:50.47 | soop | i wonder |
| 09:50.49 | SlayerXP | mIRC-Melody: what would you like us to help you do? |
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| 09:50.54 | soop | play tunes |
| 09:50.54 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: so what brought you to #debian? |
| 09:50.57 | soop | i bet |
| 09:50.59 | soop | oh wait |
| 09:51.01 | dev52 | troll |
| 09:51.03 | soop | sorry #scribus was highlighted |
| 09:51.12 | mIRC-Melody | I'd like you to help me make the most of the IRC! What should I know about this amazing chat? |
| 09:51.13 | troubled | lol |
| 09:51.21 | soop | man is there a BitchX package, I always have a hard time finding the bitchx download sites |
| 09:51.29 | troubled | simonrvn: i didnt know they added smell to tcp :p |
| 09:51.42 | mIRC-Melody | How do I open up a video chat on the IRC? |
| 09:51.44 | PumpkinPie | what kindof name is that |
| 09:51.45 | simonrvn | yup. when they added pigeon carriers. |
| 09:51.49 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: you should know that there are various channels, such as this one, in which particular discussions are acceptable and unacceptable |
| 09:51.52 | soop | mirc-melody: alt-f4 |
| 09:51.55 | SlayerXP | mIRC-Melody: start with the discodance command. try "/disco lights on" |
| 09:52.01 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: you can't |
| 09:52.04 | simonrvn | mIRC-Melody: irc doesn't do video. it's text only |
| 09:52.04 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: I sense impending hostility towards you... |
| 09:52.04 | troubled | simonrvn: lol. well, your nose may be right on this one.... |
| 09:52.07 | mIRC-Melody | "/disco lights on" |
| 09:52.17 | PumpkinPie | mIRC-Melody: you're making fun of me |
| 09:52.17 | simonrvn | without the quotes |
| 09:52.19 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: unless you have the latest version, then alt-f4 should launch it |
| 09:52.21 | soop | simonrv: dude i betcha her mom does video |
| 09:52.22 | soop | sorry |
| 09:52.23 | mIRC-Melody | why doesn't the IRC use video in this day and age? |
| 09:52.24 | SlayerXP | mIRC-Melody: without the quotes. |
| 09:52.25 | soop | couldn't resist |
| 09:52.25 | troubled | at least he knew enough to escape the command.... |
| 09:52.35 | soop | i try to live my life like an adam sandler film |
| 09:52.45 | mIRC-Melody | text is so old-fashioned compared to MSN!! |
| 09:52.50 | mIRC-Melody | but kinda funky nonetheless! |
| 09:53.01 | Ronin | cant imagine having such a pathetic life that you have to troll irc to have fun |
| 09:53.02 | karsten | back. |
| 09:53.03 | PumpkinPie | fuel the fire |
| 09:53.08 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: see if alt-f4 works |
| 09:53.11 | Ronin | PumpkinPie: like i just did? oops |
| 09:53.23 | karsten | liable: I'm getting suspend but no restore. |
| 09:53.25 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: msn is still a text backend. im sure you could make your own clients based on irc to support everything you need. try #c |
| 09:53.31 | dev52 | Manager@bspark2dsl.claranet.co.uk |
| 09:53.42 | karsten | otroean: get an answer to your minicom question yet? |
| 09:53.43 | mIRC-Melody | Gnea, I have a microsoft keyboard and am not sure how to use the f-lock key to get access to f4! do i press f-lock and shift, or just f-lock, or just shift, or just the relevant key??! |
| 09:53.44 | simonrvn | ircing as an admin user... |
| 09:54.00 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: just the alt key and the F4 key together. |
| 09:54.06 | simonrvn | mine's a logitech access |
| 09:54.15 | mIRC-Melody | hey Gnea it asks me if i want to leave the mIRC!! |
| 09:54.21 | mIRC-Melody | are you trying to trick me!! :)) |
| 09:54.26 | troubled | :)))) |
| 09:54.35 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: that's okay, it should jump into the video chat if it's installed |
| 09:54.43 | troubled | too much |
| 09:54.45 | simonrvn | mIRC-Melody: BTW, the /disco lights on is without quotes |
| 09:54.50 | karsten | Gnea: You're going to need to find a better class of idiots. |
| 09:54.52 | mIRC-Melody | ok |
| 09:54.59 | mIRC-Melody | /disco lights on |
| 09:55.01 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: /join #0 |
| 09:55.14 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: we will meet you there |
| 09:55.37 | dn4 | mIRC-Melody, sup I was the one who recommended youc ome here LOL |
| 09:55.47 | mIRC-Melody | hey dn4 :)) |
| 09:55.48 | mIRC-Melody | how r u? |
| 09:55.57 | dn4 | waking up 4:55am |
| 09:55.57 | mIRC-Melody | what is #0? |
| 09:55.59 | dn4 | class is soon |
| 09:56.00 | Gnea | dn4: why did you do that? :) |
| 09:56.02 | troubled | $5 says its the same person :) |
| 09:56.08 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: channel #0 |
| 09:56.21 | mIRC-Melody | what class r u taking dn4? |
| 09:56.23 | dn4 | Gnea, mIRC-Melody wanted to know about an active channel so I recommended this one. |
| 09:56.24 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: this channel has nothing to do with windows or mirc... how did you come to be here? it's also not for idle chat |
| 09:56.48 | simonrvn | that goes for dn4 too |
| 09:56.49 | Gnea | dn4: okay, but could you have recommended an active channel in which the conversation would be relevent? |
| 09:56.50 | troubled | if it wasnt for trolls we wouldnt have so much fun here :) |
| 09:56.55 | mIRC-Melody | i just wanted somewhere busy where the people chat rather than just coming and going :) |
| 09:56.59 | dev52 | #hotsex on efnet would probably have been a better choice |
| 09:57.04 | dn4 | simonrvn, hahaha yes for me |
| 09:57.07 | mIRC-Melody | u guys are cool :))) |
| 09:57.09 | troubled | so who is the person on troll duty tonight? :) |
| 09:57.11 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: i am sorry, yes, i was trying to trick you. |
| 09:57.18 | holycow | mIRC-Melody, why thankyou, we know |
| 09:57.24 | holycow | <_< |
| 09:57.25 | holycow | >_> |
| 09:57.25 | mIRC-Melody | hehe Holborn |
| 09:57.28 | holycow | -_- |
| 09:57.30 | simonrvn | ^_^ |
| 09:57.34 | mIRC-Melody | hehehehehe |
| 09:57.51 | mIRC-Melody | this IRC chat reminds me of the film "HACKERS" |
| 09:57.55 | dn4 | Gnea, who knows maybe mIRC-Melody will learn faster here as to what the internet is for. |
| 09:58.03 | holycow | simonrvn, is angelina jolie |
| 09:58.04 | mIRC-Melody | or the 1970s computers with green screens! |
| 09:58.04 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: but, the sort of conversation that you are looking for in inappropriate for this channel. dn4 should know this, and he should be able to recommend another place where you two may chat among others without being considered off-topic. |
| 09:58.05 | holycow | *cough* |
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| 09:58.08 | holycow | *whistle* |
| 09:58.15 | troubled | <(0.0)> <(0.0<) (>0.0)> ^(0.0)^ |
| 09:58.24 | simonrvn | holycow: eh? |
| 09:58.31 | karsten | liable: Hrm. I'm finding 'resume' not resume2: http://amit.wordpress.com/2006/01/08/debian-sid-on-an-ibm-thinkpad-a21e/ |
| 09:58.32 | holycow | troubled, heh those are good |
| 09:58.33 | holycow | lol |
| 09:58.44 | holycow | simonrvn, j/k :) |
| 09:58.47 | troubled | holycow: ty, but the credit belongs to someone else :( |
| 09:58.48 | liable | karsten: ya, see my last comments |
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| 09:58.56 | mIRC-Melody | sorry Gnea i didn't realise there was a topic, mine just says gobbledy gook and dpkg stuff |
| 09:58.59 | holycow | angelina jolie was in that movie as a very young an dperky 17 year old or whatever |
| 09:59.03 | liable | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Kernel_parameters |
| 09:59.15 | nhiggins | anyone any idea what will happen if a user has their homedir set as '/' and userdel -r user is run ? |
| 09:59.20 | dn4 | mIRC-Melody, if anything download debian :) |
| 09:59.31 | dn4 | then come back and ask questions liek you did not know you installed debian |
| 09:59.35 | dn4 | everyone will love you LOL |
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| 09:59.37 | Ronin | ahh thats better, much better signal to noise |
| 09:59.44 | troubled | holycow: its illegal to google jolie's goods when she was 17 you know lol |
| 09:59.50 | holycow | rofl |
| 09:59.54 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: well, this is #debian, and discussion here revolves around the Debian GNU/Linux distribution of Linux, which is an operating system, sort of like XP is, only it's free and consistantly maintained. |
| 09:59.56 | karsten | liable: Gotchya. |
| 09:59.56 | holycow | thats okay we are the same age |
| 09:59.57 | holycow | lol |
| 09:59.59 | mIRC-Melody | well dn4, i have a harddisk with a debian and windows partition and i can look in the windows partition so thats no problem but what I'm wondering is can I directly copy stuff from my windows to my debian partition ? |
| 10:00.15 | karsten | liable: OK, 512 MB RAM, 3 swap partitions, 200 MB, and 2x 512 MB. |
| 10:00.16 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: http://swiss.csail.mit.edu/classes/6.001/abelson-sussman-lectures/ |
| 10:00.24 | mIRC-Melody | thx!!! :))) |
| 10:00.28 | mIRC-Melody | u guys are the best! |
| 10:00.31 | dev52 | download and watch the first one |
| 10:00.32 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: oh, very cool. i shall not pester you anymore :) |
| 10:00.33 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: of course, unless winxp folders that encrypted |
| 10:00.36 | holycow | mIRC-Melody, yes, you just can't safely write to ntfs ... appearently the ntfs driver project is alive and well but i don't know what state its in now |
| 10:00.38 | karsten | liable: Am I going to run into trouble there? I could simply drop one of the swaps from active use and use it as my suspend partition. |
| 10:00.38 | dev52 | and see if you're interested |
| 10:00.43 | liable | karsten: sec phone |
| 10:00.48 | mIRC-Melody | ok phone is ringing.... brb |
| 10:00.55 | troubled | karsten: why would you run into me?! |
| 10:01.03 | troubled | karsten: i thought we were friends! |
| 10:01.18 | karsten | liable: I'm a little confused as to how I get 1.2 GB of swap + 0.5 GB real memory into one 512 MB restore partition ;-) |
| 10:01.21 | karsten | liable: ... NP phone. |
| 10:01.29 | karsten | troubled: Hell, I never run into my friends. |
| 10:01.36 | karsten | troubled: ... you should *see* what I do to 'em ;-) |
| 10:02.05 | troubled | karsten: :) me gets the feeling that somethings gonna be missing from your resume |
| 10:02.18 | soop | see the reason i stopped using redhat, was its userbase stopped explaining how to do things at the console |
| 10:02.21 | karsten | troubled: ... and my friends' resumes ;-) |
| 10:02.24 | soop | like configuring smb.conf |
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| 10:02.28 | soop | ubuntu's done the same thing |
| 10:02.29 | soop | I |
| 10:02.35 | troubled | karsten: ever ran `strings /dev/{swapdev}` before? :) |
| 10:02.36 | soop | m not gonna find that with debian am i? |
| 10:02.41 | simonrvn | no |
| 10:02.42 | karsten | soop: Welcome to the consequence of dumbing things down. |
| 10:02.48 | soop | i know |
| 10:02.48 | karsten | troubled: Not recently. |
| 10:02.50 | soop | i hate it |
| 10:02.57 | soop | why should we need to accept stupidity |
| 10:02.58 | simonrvn | shell r0x0rs my s0x0rs |
| 10:03.05 | holycow | http://www.howtoforge.com/node/1467 <-- neat |
| 10:03.07 | karsten | troubled: ... but back in 2.0 days, I used to recover lost Netscape edit sessions out of /proc/kcore |
| 10:03.09 | holycow | i'll be trying that out soonish |
| 10:03.20 | troubled | karsten: lol, clever *bow* |
| 10:03.26 | soop | I hell I was told today by a woman that cant figure out how to angle a cell in excel that openoffice.org is a shitty program and doesn't even do half of what windows does |
| 10:03.29 | karsten | troubled: Doesn't work anymore. |
| 10:03.42 | karsten | troubled: ... tried it the first time just on a whim ... and it worked. |
| 10:03.49 | soop | karsten: I miss walnut creek |
| 10:03.53 | soop | ftp.cdrom.com |
| 10:03.54 | karsten | troubled: ... found a few fragments of the text I was working on. |
| 10:03.55 | holycow | soop, lol, the human mind is a pathetic computing device indeed |
| 10:03.58 | soop | is that still around? |
| 10:04.00 | troubled | karsten: i think it would scare most ppl to know just how insecure things are these days (myself included) |
| 10:04.06 | soop | holycow: only if you let it be |
| 10:04.06 | karsten | soop: you need a better set of places to miss. |
| 10:04.21 | dev52 | soop: I was just in walnut creek (but cdrom.com was in concord) |
| 10:04.28 | holycow | soop, one does not need to accept stupidity, instead one needs to guide it towards the light |
| 10:04.30 | soop | oh cmon dude, in like shit 94 i could leave myself on via dialup and download the entire iso |
| 10:04.32 | holycow | then hit it with a 2x4 |
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| 10:05.02 | troubled | holycow: but could you imagine being able to program a OS to act directly like a human brain and teach it? boy will that be the day.... |
| 10:05.13 | holycow | troubled, lol |
| 10:05.14 | simonrvn | holycow: actually, it's a lot more powerful than supercomputers... just slower |
| 10:05.19 | otroean | karsten: No. I've read howto Minicom but doesn't understand it... |
| 10:05.24 | holycow | if its a female os then we wouldn't be able to use it every 28 days |
| 10:05.29 | holycow | *giggle* |
| 10:05.29 | dev52 | soop: you can also do that with debian... but then you'd have about 13 more cdroms to get |
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| 10:05.35 | troubled | lol |
| 10:05.41 | karsten | otroean: 'minicom -s /dev/ttyS0' |
| 10:06.07 | karsten | otroean: it's a console-based, full-screen communications client. Similar to hyperterm if you've used that. Let's you talk Hayes Modem set to your modem. |
| 10:06.09 | holycow | simonrvn, thats true only for the parts that do basic data capture and processing, our higher brain functions are sorely lacking |
| 10:06.19 | holycow | simonrvn, our biggest problem is 'lossy' memory |
| 10:06.29 | holycow | its like our memory is in jpeg or something |
| 10:06.32 | holycow | heh |
| 10:06.38 | simonrvn | yeh, but any brain, is simply amazing |
| 10:06.40 | karsten | otroean: Basically, if 'AT' or 'ATDT 1111' generates some sort of response, you've got your modem sorted. If it doesn't, you need a different COM port. |
| 10:06.41 | troubled | like cdroms are any more loseless |
| 10:07.00 | karsten | otroean: mincom -s /dev/ttyS0 | /dev/ttyS1 | /dev/ttyS2. |
| 10:07.02 | troubled | i swear everytime i restore my mp3 collection 20% more songs get skips |
| 10:07.02 | holycow | simonrvn, indeed, the fact it came out of the primordial ooze is astounding |
| 10:07.02 | holycow | :) |
| 10:07.12 | simonrvn | i'm amazed spam scripts still try the localost trick |
| 10:07.18 | karsten | otroean: ...should be one of the three. I've got to bounce my laptop again.... |
| 10:07.20 | simonrvn | localhost* |
| 10:07.32 | simonrvn | (fake the HELO name to be localhost) |
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| 10:07.48 | troubled | simonrvn: watching your exim logs again? |
| 10:07.48 | karsten | liable: trying latest iteration, bbiam (or five) |
| 10:07.55 | simonrvn | i always do ;) |
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| 10:08.22 | simonrvn | amazing what you can learn |
| 10:08.22 | troubled | holycow: perhaps we are going about designing computers all wrong. we need more primordial ooze instead of silicon! |
| 10:08.52 | holycow | oh i beg to differ |
| 10:08.53 | holycow | :) |
| 10:09.05 | simonrvn | that ooze was a mishmash of proteins, various kinds of molecules, and various chemicals. fucking amazing |
| 10:09.24 | dn4 | Do you think the solar cell efficency with silicon will give way to better computers? |
| 10:09.25 | mIRC-Melody | pamela anderson is so hot |
| 10:09.31 | dev52 | simonrvn: well the fucking part was to come about much later... |
| 10:09.36 | simonrvn | hehehe |
| 10:09.47 | holycow | simonrvn, and just think out of this primordial ooze we grew a brain that figured out 'how to make tits' |
| 10:09.51 | holycow | now THATS fucking amazing |
| 10:09.51 | holycow | :) |
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| 10:10.09 | holycow | oh i love conversations at 3 am |
| 10:10.10 | holycow | :) |
| 10:10.14 | troubled | yuppers |
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| 10:10.31 | troubled | i come for the conversations, and i stay for the trolls and pointless conversations :) |
| 10:10.31 | simonrvn | it's 6:10 here |
| 10:10.33 | petemc | i dont think the evolution of tits was a conscious decision by anyone.. |
| 10:10.35 | Tallu | 13:10:23 Ignoring ALL from mIRC-Melody |
| 10:10.43 | simonrvn | petemc: agreed |
| 10:10.56 | mIRC-Melody | anyone heard of jennifer ellison (google her)? what do u think? |
| 10:11.06 | dn4 | holy cow |
| 10:11.12 | holycow | yes? |
| 10:11.14 | troubled | god thank the humanoid that started sucking on its mates chest to bring about their enlargement through evolution! |
| 10:11.19 | dn4 | that is just insane a ooze that grew a brain then grew itself some tits |
| 10:11.24 | troubled | can I get a whooHA! |
| 10:11.31 | otroean | exit |
| 10:11.40 | dn4 | HAHAHAHA |
| 10:11.40 | holycow | dn4, how can one deny the existence of good in view of such things? |
| 10:11.53 | holycow | oh wait typo, but anywhoo |
| 10:11.54 | soop | fuck, how can i get nautilus to refresh its cached image thumbnails on my digital camera? |
| 10:12.08 | dn4 | holycow, where can I find these tits? |
| 10:12.23 | troubled | soop: shot in the dark: erase the cache file or click refresh? |
| 10:12.24 | liable | karsten: hrm, you usually have all that swap actually used? swsup should compress the image, but i dunno by what percentage. i know that suspend2 can use swap files, so that may be the go if you run into problems |
| 10:12.28 | holycow | i understand they are 'freely' available |
| 10:12.33 | dn4 | isn't it amazing the internet is used for porn |
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| 10:12.49 | simonrvn | you could probably install swapd too |
| 10:12.50 | holycow | lol thats really the only justification for th einternet at this point |
| 10:12.54 | dev52 | why does that amaze you |
| 10:12.56 | simonrvn | dn4: no |
| 10:13.14 | troubled | dn4: im curious if they still use the net to launch nukes :) |
| 10:13.25 | mIRC-Melody | why is porn so popular |
| 10:13.34 | soop | troubled: I'll find out for you i'm 20 miles from an icbm |
| 10:13.37 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: because sex is overrated |
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| 10:13.45 | holycow | http://linux.yyz.us/why-software-raid.html <-- interesting reaid article. never considered hardware vs. software raid from that perspective |
| 10:13.46 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: evolution might have something to do with it :) |
| 10:13.54 | soop | mirc-melody isnt still here is she |
| 10:14.10 | mIRC-Melody | it's great that more women are getting into IT |
| 10:14.11 | soop | troubled: see I'm worried I think #ubuntu = creationists |
| 10:14.16 | dev52 | she? ok, so I guess that's vaguely possible |
| 10:14.17 | troubled | soop: leaving near one doesnt bother me, its living near where one lands that does :) |
| 10:14.19 | dn4 | I stopped that with the RIAA cracked down though |
| 10:14.20 | holycow | soop, cool! on of those defunct ones leaking nuclear green stuff? |
| 10:14.21 | soop | Mirc: IT-B! |
| 10:14.25 | soop | sorry that was rough |
| 10:14.28 | mIRC-Melody | what is it-b? |
| 10:14.32 | holycow | soop, poke at it, see if it moves |
| 10:14.34 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: you mean the ones with a clue? |
| 10:14.35 | soop | troubled: living near one = first strike zone |
| 10:14.42 | troubled | soop: ahh, so they think ubuntu was created instead of evolving from debian? |
| 10:14.45 | soop | the first goal is to destroy your enemies ability to attack you |
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| 10:14.53 | holycow | troubled, oh thats funny :) |
| 10:14.54 | holycow | yes |
| 10:14.59 | holycow | ubuntu was created in 6 days |
| 10:15.01 | soop | hahahaha |
| 10:15.02 | holycow | so sayeth mark |
| 10:15.11 | soop | and on the 7th day it fucked up my xorg.conf |
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| 10:15.19 | troubled | soop: nah, its a waste of nukes to nuke silos. better of nuking command and control centers (like world trade centers) |
| 10:15.20 | *** part/#debian det (i=chris@sharkzone.com) |
| 10:15.21 | soop | so i turned it off and installed debian-stable |
| 10:15.22 | holycow | and on the 7th day mark sayeth 'let there be light' |
| 10:15.38 | soop | troubled, no seriously ... that doesnt work, because then you get nuked in return |
| 10:15.49 | soop | it's also why the states are investing more money in bunker busting nukes |
| 10:15.55 | soop | because you know the other guy is |
| 10:16.01 | soop | trying to hide 'em as best as possible |
| 10:16.01 | Shadur | And all the debian developers cried in a great massed voice "AAAUGH TOO BRIGHT, TURN IT DOWN ALREADY, WE'RE TRYING TO WORK HERE!" |
| 10:16.12 | holycow | Shadur, rofl :) |
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| 10:16.22 | troubled | soop: thats the whole point of nukes though :) if you one for one each silo, odds are you wont harm the cities as much as a direct hit on the people responsible for giving the orders |
| 10:16.28 | holycow | Shadur, thats a funny picture |
| 10:16.38 | soop | hey how can i set an autojoin pointer in a channel, like if someone joins #ubuntu-cool it automatically pushes them into #debian |
| 10:16.45 | simonrvn | Shadur: hehehe |
| 10:16.52 | karsten | liable: still no restore. |
| 10:16.52 | soop | sorta like if you join #linux it boots you into ##linux |
| 10:16.58 | troubled | Shadur: :) |
| 10:17.07 | dev52 | well if the US were smart, they'd decentralize their control... but we're not smart... evidence, seen on most mailboxes: "you can't put boxes over 16 ozs in this mailbox if it has stamps" |
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| 10:17.27 | soop | dev52: and the oz think |
| 10:17.29 | karsten | liable: What I'm seeing on restore is the kernel comes up, there's a line about USB (I think it's logged, one sec), and the system hangs, with fan and disk noise. |
| 10:17.36 | soop | its not being ale to understand the smaller things in life |
| 10:17.40 | simonrvn | soop: some clients show the setting, like irssi and weechat |
| 10:17.51 | simonrvn | #debian(+tncPLlfJ 539 #debian-overflow 10,3) |
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| 10:17.59 | karsten | liable: .... after about 30s or so, fan/disk go quiet. The ThinkPad's 'moon' hibernate LED is lit. I have to power off at that point. |
| 10:18.00 | soop | can you imagine doing pharmaceutical chemistry in an imperial system |
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| 10:18.18 | soop | thats why weeds still illegal |
| 10:18.22 | liable | karsten: right, are you using the hibernate package? try unloading usb shits first |
| 10:18.25 | simonrvn | soop: people used to... |
| 10:18.32 | soop | fuckers be getting confused ordering an Oh Zee of tylenol and shit |
| 10:18.43 | karsten | liable: I just installed it, haven't tweaked anything. |
| 10:18.45 | soop | ahhh but then they made us to stuipid to self medicate |
| 10:18.52 | soop | because we need a health care industry |
| 10:18.56 | troubled | soop: weed is illegal?! shit, sec gotta flush something! |
| 10:18.57 | soop | or else ... PEOPLE WILL DIE |
| 10:19.11 | karsten | liable: um. Didn't install it. Damned r/o /usr mount option ;-) |
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| 10:19.16 | soop | troubled, dude, I know people in places that still close thier blinds when smoking weed so nosey neighbours dont see |
| 10:19.29 | liable | karsten: the one you have, has the monolithic config, or the common, hibernate etc files? |
| 10:19.29 | soop | news.google.com and search marijuana |
| 10:19.42 | soop | t teens busted with 3.5 oz ... wow big news |
| 10:19.43 | soop | i'd print that |
| 10:19.44 | liable | karsten: anyway, try unloading modules, stopping services etc |
| 10:19.50 | karsten | liable: The one I don't have? Don't know. One sec. |
| 10:19.50 | troubled | soop: i wonder how many flags go up when you google for that hehe |
| 10:19.55 | soop | that'd be like grounding my kid to town attention |
| 10:20.04 | soop | troubled: i'd like to think I can trust google |
| 10:20.13 | karsten | soop: Um. Think again. |
| 10:20.17 | soop | what I'd love to see is the next search engine company move to sealand |
| 10:20.22 | troubled | soop: you can trust google fine, what you cant trust is a court order :) |
| 10:20.25 | setcode | hello |
| 10:20.35 | karsten | liable: /etc/hibernate/<what> ? |
| 10:20.35 | soop | see but i use google.ca |
| 10:20.39 | RobHu | How can I take a linux system I'm sshed into into recovery mode so I can fsck the disk (just to check if there are errors) without dropping the ssh connection .. do I need to change the run level ? (how do I do that) |
| 10:20.53 | soop | and i can go and stand on the doorstep of my whitehouse with a sign that says fuck you i can search in private |
| 10:21.03 | soop | you guys have to stand 30 feet from a wrought iron fence |
| 10:21.09 | troubled | what i would love to see if a permenant google cluster that lives at sea |
| 10:21.18 | troubled | in international waters that is |
| 10:21.19 | karsten | RobHu: Open ssh connections may be retained. Or you can run sshd in either inittab or runlevel 1 so you can connect |
| 10:21.22 | soop | robhu: you have a dead box? |
| 10:21.27 | liable | karsten: hrm, check the kern params section in this page too.. http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_ACPI_work |
| 10:21.32 | holycow | google should invade the moon |
| 10:21.36 | karsten | RobHu: Honestly not sure on whether you'll lose the connection. |
| 10:21.36 | holycow | and secede from earth |
| 10:21.38 | liable | karsten: how many files you got there? |
| 10:21.38 | RobHu | soop: I am having problems - it wont boot into xen |
| 10:21.42 | holycow | point some nukes at us |
| 10:21.47 | holycow | and then do whatever they like |
| 10:21.50 | soop | robhu: can you get console? |
| 10:21.58 | RobHu | soop: maybe |
| 10:22.00 | dev52 | RobHu: you don't have physical access to the machine? |
| 10:22.03 | karsten | liable: /etc/hibernate/hibernate.conf |
| 10:22.07 | karsten | liable: ... where? |
| 10:22.11 | soop | robhu: xen = your window manager right? |
| 10:22.14 | RobHu | soop: no |
| 10:22.24 | karsten | soop: No, xen is a virtualization tool. |
| 10:22.27 | dev52 | xen is not a wm |
| 10:22.31 | soop | what you virtualizing? |
| 10:22.32 | cydork | !xen |
| 10:22.32 | dpkg | it has been said that xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
| 10:22.35 | soop | and why? |
| 10:22.37 | karsten | soop: http://www.xensource.com/ |
| 10:22.38 | dev52 | machines |
| 10:22.38 | soop | there's better ways of doing things |
| 10:22.42 | liable | karsten: right, thats the old way, try unloading usb modules, in that file |
| 10:22.46 | petemc | soop: like what? |
| 10:22.54 | dev52 | to be web servers for customers |
| 10:22.55 | soop | whatcha virtualizing and i'll tell you |
| 10:23.02 | soop | dev52: virtual hosts ... |
| 10:23.06 | dev52 | right |
| 10:23.08 | petemc | soop: if you dont even know what xen is, how can you say that somethings better or not |
| 10:23.12 | soop | are you running multiple webservers in xen? |
| 10:23.15 | cydork | soop, there are many reasons to use virtual machines .. |
| 10:23.17 | karsten | liable: Sec. Trying to work out what does what here. |
| 10:23.24 | soop | cydork: like what? thats what i'd like to know |
| 10:23.38 | soop | I cant see the benefit to running a mailserver in emulation on a server ... |
| 10:23.40 | karsten | petemc: You think *that* stops people? |
| 10:23.43 | soop | thats certainly gotta be more overhead |
| 10:23.44 | holycow | there are virtually no reasons NOT to use vm's at this point in time imho |
| 10:23.49 | liable | karsten: np, have a read, its fairly self explanatory |
| 10:23.54 | karsten | holycow: I can think of several. |
| 10:23.55 | petemc | ive got ~20 xen hosts now |
| 10:23.56 | troubled | soop: security? |
| 10:24.18 | troubled | soop: better than chroot imho, unless you use grsec to enchance chroot security |
| 10:24.20 | karsten | liable: Ah. 'common.conf'? |
| 10:24.25 | dev52 | soop: yeah, 10 seconds ago you didn't know what xen is... so suddenly you've learned enough about it to do a critical comparison? and, what would you compare to? |
| 10:24.42 | soop | ok, what are you trying to do with xen? and i'll compare it to something |
| 10:24.45 | karsten | dev52: islam, duh! |
| 10:24.51 | soop | i dont know what your using it to do besides run another install of an os |
| 10:24.53 | karsten | dev52: Or rather, izlam. |
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| 10:24.59 | liable | karsten: ah right, yeah thats the newer way, the common.conf will effect both suspend and sleep. |
| 10:25.00 | CAiRO | hi |
| 10:25.04 | RobHu | soop: If you didnt even know what Xen was then why do you think you have sufficient understanding to compare it to something else? |
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| 10:25.11 | CAiRO | what has happend to cups, i suddenly cannot print any umlauts anymore.. like ö ä and so on |
| 10:25.12 | cydork | soop, you should read more about xen, then talk :P |
| 10:25.21 | petemc | RobHu: whats the problem you're having? |
| 10:25.21 | soop | so explain what it is to me |
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| 10:25.30 | simonrvn | no. go read. |
| 10:25.30 | karsten | CAiRO: That's not CUPS, it's your apps support |
| 10:25.33 | soop | as far as i know when it comes to virtualization im thinking vmware |
| 10:25.35 | dev52 | CAiRO: why? |
| 10:25.40 | soop | mayeb i dont understand the concept |
| 10:25.40 | liable | karsten: i havent heard of it before, but read that thinkwiki link to, about the kernel param, may help.. |
| 10:25.41 | mIRC-Melody | The "software or hardware RAID?" question comes up often. I think I answer the question at least once every six months or so. |
| 10:25.43 | simonrvn | xen != vmware |
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| 10:25.47 | CAiRO | karsten: well, i happens in openoffice and abiword |
| 10:25.59 | karsten | liable: Digesting. |
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| 10:26.00 | CAiRO | dev52: that is my question: why did this happen? |
| 10:26.08 | soop | am i way off base? |
| 10:26.11 | RobHu | petemc: The actual problem is that on booting xen now I get this: http://rafb.net/paste/results/l5qnEL25.html but I can boot into normal linux fine |
| 10:26.20 | karsten | CAiRO: Had someone here with some i18n issues (display in apps) earlier. Sid? |
| 10:26.20 | dev52 | CAiRO: how close are you to your machine? |
| 10:26.28 | karsten | dev52: They've taken vows. |
| 10:26.29 | CAiRO | its only one machine |
| 10:26.34 | mIRC-Melody | soop - Many ATA-based hardware RAID solutions either (a) fail to manage disk lifetimes via SMART, or (b) manage SMART diagnostics in a non-standard way. |
| 10:26.52 | dev52 | karsten: they should return them when they're done! |
| 10:27.11 | karsten | dev52: I've seen how some of those look after they've been used. |
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| 10:27.15 | karsten | dev52: ... you sure of that? |
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| 10:27.29 | petemc | RobHu: oh, nasty - is this a debian xen kernel?# |
| 10:27.34 | dev52 | maybe someone else could use the vow |
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| 10:27.49 | soop | mirc-melody: so you're saying I should be using xen as a true failsaife environment, if something fails I can just reload my back up of my virtualized envirionment? |
| 10:27.59 | karsten | dev52: We could set up an auction site. |
| 10:28.02 | holycow | there is no such thing as fairsafe |
| 10:28.02 | karsten | dev52: eVow. |
| 10:28.08 | holycow | and xen isn't exactly super stable |
| 10:28.16 | SlayerXP | xen 2 is fine |
| 10:28.23 | mIRC-Melody | no, soop, what I'm saying is that men will never take a 50/50 role in looking after the kids & house because it's thankless, boring, tedious, unpaid & flipping hard work! Far easier to toddle off to the office or building site every day. |
| 10:28.24 | petemc | xen3 is stable enough for me... |
| 10:28.24 | dev52 | I mean, I use vows all the time... look at this sentence... a lot of vows... not many consonants... |
| 10:28.38 | peterS | yeah but can I buy a vow? |
| 10:28.38 | holycow | virtualization simply makes it a lot easier to run multiple environments simultaneously without having to deal with bare metal installs and configuration |
| 10:28.41 | simonrvn | eiuioya |
| 10:28.47 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: No, it's that with looking after kids ... |
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| 10:28.52 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: ... we can't stand the competition. |
| 10:29.04 | soop | mirc-melody, fuck that my wife wants 100% looking after the house, except for when I do something she doesnt like or goes against her way, then when I tell her we'll trade she can go work its a whole different ball game |
| 10:29.06 | CAiRO | argh, who the hell is doing these cups packages, the upgrade totally fucks up my config files |
| 10:29.22 | karsten | CAiRO: If that's the case, it's a bug. File. |
| 10:29.23 | holycow | i will say that i don't use xen so i don't actually know how stable it is, i'm just parroting what i read about it but i do use vmware my self ... it really makes things nice and easy |
| 10:29.25 | soop | i'd do 50/50 if she went and did 50/50 as well |
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| 10:29.34 | Diazepam | guys is it possible for your local MTA to send mail to a gmail account without knowing the SMTP loging details of your ISP? |
| 10:29.47 | soop | when I get home at 7 at night if I throw my tshirt by computer desk the next day ... dont bitch at me about it, pick it up and ask me not to do it again |
| 10:29.50 | troubled | holycow: if only vmware wasnt so sluggish on the interface side of things |
| 10:29.52 | simonrvn | logging details? |
| 10:30.05 | holycow | troubled, yeah *nod* |
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| 10:30.09 | troubled | petemc: curious, xen console fast and respoinsize unlike vmware? |
| 10:30.11 | karsten | holycow: VMware's pretty tried and true ATM. It's heavy and slow though. Xen's got some great promise and is very usable (v2), and if v3 ever gets its shit together, is going to drop the virtualization world on its ass. |
| 10:30.23 | soop | holycow: i see that aspect making sense ... but how is the utilization ... |
| 10:30.25 | mIRC-Melody | what is virtualization? |
| 10:30.36 | RobHu | petemc: Its using the xen source kernel |
| 10:30.38 | petemc | troubled: i cant tell the difference between xen and "real" machines |
| 10:30.45 | Diazepam | login details |
| 10:30.46 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: almostness |
| 10:30.48 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: It's sort of like having a mate, but you can turn them off, or have two of them, when you want. |
| 10:30.50 | petemc | RobHu: i use the debian xen kernels, works well for me |
| 10:30.55 | mIRC-Melody | ??? |
| 10:30.55 | soop | can I have 90 users using it as a mail server, webserver, corporate webserver and 20 gigs of file storage with constant access wihtout problems? |
| 10:30.58 | holycow | karsten, i will look into it ... iread about that russina vm too the other day it is supposed to be 'lighter' than xen even |
| 10:30.58 | simonrvn | Diazepam: oh. no don't need that |
| 10:31.00 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: Making l'il 'uns outta big'uns. |
| 10:31.00 | RobHu | petemc: Annoyingly there is no help about it and the xen IRC channel isnt saying anything |
| 10:31.01 | dn4 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/computing/input/8193/ <-- Next keyboard in my life |
| 10:31.03 | troubled | karsten: well, vmware is so wicked cool server side things to manage moving servers among different machines realtime and such. kinda cool |
| 10:31.07 | holycow | soop, well its basically like managing jpegs |
| 10:31.08 | RobHu | petemc: Its been working fine for 9 months! |
| 10:31.11 | holycow | copy/paste |
| 10:31.12 | karsten | holycow: parallels? |
| 10:31.26 | mIRC-Melody | i still don't understand what virtualisation is? |
| 10:31.29 | soop | holycow: i just picture alot of overhead |
| 10:31.36 | soop | mirc-melody: birdy coming ... |
| 10:31.38 | karsten | holycow: Xen was getting 2-4% performance hit, heard SWSoft is claiming 1-3% |
| 10:31.41 | holycow | karsten, *hmmm* i forget it openvz or something like that? |
| 10:31.42 | soop | fuck i loved that game |
| 10:31.45 | holycow | or swsoft thats the one |
| 10:31.46 | soop | i always felt like an idiot |
| 10:31.52 | karsten | holycow: That's a new one on me (openvz). |
| 10:31.52 | troubled | petemc: gonna go read up on xen here. was thinking vmware, but it sounds like xen would be better suited. i assume it doesnt need a "kernel"? |
| 10:31.52 | sep | mIRC-Melody, you can run multiple os instances on 1 set of hardware tru the use of virtual machines. |
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| 10:32.05 | holycow | karsten, it was swsoft, i'm mixing up my names |
| 10:32.14 | karsten | holycow: OK |
| 10:32.18 | axew3 | hi all |
| 10:32.20 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: you can fit several "machines" into one physical machine |
| 10:32.24 | sep | eg if you have a machine running vmware you can have 1 debian 1 ubuntu 1 windows all running on the same machine sharing the resources. |
| 10:32.28 | karsten | holycow: Analyst meeting, 2nd hand report, Weds. |
| 10:32.39 | sep | each isolated in their own virtual part |
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| 10:32.52 | mIRC-Melody | ok, so basically it's a flashy word for "emulators" |
| 10:32.53 | dev52 | but that's an example of virtualization, it's not the definition |
| 10:32.53 | soop | fuck i hate when i do that |
| 10:32.54 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: hmmm, you agree that it makes more sense to have one machine for dns, one for http, one for email etc? |
| 10:33.03 | soop | mirc-melody: thats what im getting at ... |
| 10:33.05 | sep | mIRC-Melody, no emulators pretend to be a different cpu, |
| 10:33.06 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: well except that most of your system isn't being emulated, only things that touch the hardware or the kernel directly |
| 10:33.13 | sep | mIRC-Melody, ther is no emulation in virtualization |
| 10:33.15 | mIRC-Melody | troubled, yes, that way u reduce dependence on a single point of failure |
| 10:33.17 | soop | seems kinda "buzzy" for me at the moment, I'm not sure if I want to devote the effort to it |
| 10:33.18 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: thus each machine is a seperate machine, and if hacked, only potentially comprimises one machine? |
| 10:33.21 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: you're on the right track I'd say |
| 10:33.24 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: Helps if you have customized loads, lightly used independent systems, you can live-migrate guests, get better HW utilization (from ~13% (typical now) to 60%+ under virtualization). |
| 10:33.25 | soop | sure it'll let me play with different configs ala development boxes |
| 10:33.26 | mIRC-Melody | plus servers tend to crasy and software is buggy anyway |
| 10:33.35 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: power'n'cooling are driving a lot of datacenter R&D ATM. |
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| 10:33.45 | soop | but i do like the benefits to it |
| 10:33.50 | karsten | sep: Depends on the virtualization method. |
| 10:33.58 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: k, virtualization is same thing, except instead of needing 20 machiens, its all on one machine run through seperate virtual instances (cheaper yet same security) |
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| 10:34.17 | mIRC-Melody | troubled, what happens if the server crashes??? |
| 10:34.24 | karsten | liable: Ah: "If your thinkpad fails to resume properly..." on the wiki page. |
| 10:34.28 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: all goes down :) |
| 10:34.28 | karsten | liable: I think that's my bug. |
| 10:34.34 | sep | mIRC-Melody, so you have 2 big machines aech running 4 virtual machines, but both capable of running all 8 , perhaps at a slightly degraded performance,. you can move a running machine from one to the other without stopping it. nice of you want to do some hardware change:) |
| 10:34.35 | mIRC-Melody | or if one of the virtual programs interferes with the others |
| 10:34.44 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: if it crashes badly, then 20 "machines" go down |
| 10:34.49 | mIRC-Melody | wowser |
| 10:34.56 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: typically the word 'emulator' implies that _all_ the hardware, including the CPU instruction set, is emulated. in the case of virtual servers like xen, you're still running an x86 box and the user apps run normally, at normal speed. it's only when they call kernel services that anything is emulated |
| 10:34.59 | dev52 | well interfering is much harder |
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| 10:35.03 | mIRC-Melody | i think software is too buggy for us to rely on that kind of technology |
| 10:35.05 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: you still need to consider redundancy, but it allows you to seperate the software in a way that one service getting hacked doesnt comprimise anotehr service as easily |
| 10:35.14 | dev52 | separation is enforced pretty well |
| 10:35.19 | mIRC-Melody | have u ever tried installing different versions of MS Office on the same PC??? |
| 10:35.30 | mIRC-Melody | Imagine doing it with 10 different OS's!! |
| 10:35.38 | mIRC-Melody | u would have problems beyound belief |
| 10:35.45 | sep | mIRC-Melody, no it works quite well |
| 10:35.49 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: One sweet Xen trick: you can put your hardware support into guest domains. So if you've got a buggy driver, you dedicate a guest to it, the driver crashes: reboot *that* guest. Rest of the guests stay up. |
| 10:35.54 | troubled | peterS: ! |
| 10:35.58 | dn4 | http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/gaming/76e8/ <-- OMG ubber 733T |
| 10:36.01 | dev52 | one version of office per os |
| 10:36.02 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: the OSes are contained within their own disk images. it's not like software instances which actually coexist on the same filesystem |
| 10:36.03 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: ... so you don't lose an entire physical machine to a single bad driver. |
| 10:36.12 | peterS | troubled. |
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| 10:36.21 | Diazepam | simonrvm - how does sendmail work if it doesnt know the address of an external SMTP server |
| 10:36.22 | Diazepam | ? |
| 10:36.22 | mIRC-Melody | wowser |
| 10:36.31 | peterS | karsten: unless the bad driver is for physical hardware, as most drivers are |
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| 10:36.36 | troubled | Diazepam: dns :) |
| 10:36.39 | karsten | peterS: Nope. |
| 10:36.44 | karsten | peterS: You reboot the guest. |
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| 10:36.54 | sep | Diazepam, it locates the mailserver for the recepient domain using a MX lookup (host -t MX domainname) |
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| 10:37.08 | peterS | karsten: the guest hardly needs any drivers anyway, it's the host that has to talk to hardware, it's the host whose drivers are a point of failure |
| 10:37.09 | mIRC-Melody | isn't it better to run the OS via a direct CPU tho? otherwise u get big slowdowns? |
| 10:37.10 | Diazepam | troubled - the dns settings in resolv.conf ? |
| 10:37.12 | karsten | peterS: So long as the problem's in software (eg: you don't have a HW failure), rebooting the guest is pretty much the same as a warm system boot. |
| 10:37.16 | SpComb | dn4: that keyboard looks nice, but almost unseable from what I recall |
| 10:37.17 | karsten | peterS: driver-doms. |
| 10:37.18 | sep | Diazepam, and fall back to A records if no MX is set |
| 10:37.52 | karsten | peterS: These are ring2 domains. Ring0 = Xen, Ring1 = Dom0, Ring2 = driverDom, Ring3 = DomU (guest VMs). |
| 10:37.53 | peterS | karsten: I don't see how you can lessen the dependence on hardware drivers by running guest OSes. the host OS still needs the same number of drivers it did before, and those are just as vulnerable to bugs as they were before. |
| 10:37.58 | dn4 | SpComb, ahhh good point!, lets create a lazer that burns the hands when typing, or if someone tries to use the system and inputs the wrong password |
| 10:37.58 | troubled | Diazepam: no, when you put say jdoe@example.com, sendmail looks up MX (mail exchange) record in dns for the domain exmaple.com and sends it to that server to handle |
| 10:38.01 | holycow | mIRC-Melody, slow downs really aren't that noticeable |
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| 10:38.16 | karsten | peterS: There's an interface virtualization going on through the DomU. |
| 10:38.27 | mIRC-Melody | i think virtualisation is just making things complex for no real reason... people tend to have different servers for different apps to improve reliability because, in practice, software is buggy and hardware crashes |
| 10:38.37 | holycow | im *unfortunately* running win2k3 server, serving accounting for 10 people over rdp via a vmware host |
| 10:38.42 | karsten | peterS: Basically: the domU handles permissions and access. the driverDom handles the device, the DomUs use the virtual interface. |
| 10:38.48 | SpComb | dn4: well, there is 0 feel to the keys (impossible to tell where your fingers are), something about the quality and flatness of the surface, and then your hands obscure the text... stuff like that. There was also something about the accuracy |
| 10:38.50 | peterS | karsten: you can't conjure up hardware access from nowhere. _something_ has to talk to the hardware. I don't see how you can get around that. |
| 10:38.50 | soop | mirc-melody dude, whats with the mirc |
| 10:38.50 | holycow | no one has a clue it runs on a shitty 2ghz cpu with 2 gigs of ram |
| 10:38.53 | troubled | Diazepam: but dns must be working first of all, and second, your isp must allow your mail server to send out mail to other port 25's and second, your ip address must be allowed to send mail, ie: not be blacklisted or on dialup list |
| 10:38.54 | holycow | its like a desktop to them |
| 10:39.03 | sep | mIRC-Melody, that's EXACTLY the reason for virtualization, instead of having 10 buggy programs in 1 machine you have 1 buggy program in 10 virtual machines. |
| 10:39.04 | karsten | peterS: THe driver domain talks to hardware. |
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| 10:39.06 | soop | does freenode support /ctcp version? |
| 10:39.15 | peterS | soop: don't use it |
| 10:39.15 | karsten | peterS: And if you need to reboot your driver domain, you do. |
| 10:39.16 | Diazepam | troubled /sed - okay. I have made a faxserver for a mate (it forwarded all copies of faxes to gmail account) but when i plugged it in at his house the email forwardig stopped |
| 10:39.19 | tralala | karsten: does the guest driver use the host one or does it talk somewhat directly to the hardware? |
| 10:39.20 | sep | mIRC-Melody, so when a priog crash badly you restart that virtual only |
| 10:39.27 | soop | peters: why not? |
| 10:39.30 | karsten | peterS: I'll grant this is somewhat hypothetical, but that's the theory as layed out. |
| 10:39.34 | peterS | soop: VERSIONing people makes them think you're a script kiddie gathering info on who is running clients with known security holes |
| 10:39.36 | Diazepam | troubled / Sep: my ISP is TPG and his is bigpond |
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| 10:39.43 | peterS | soop: since that's the usual use of that feature |
| 10:39.49 | karsten | tralala: The driver domain has direct HW access. Not memory or clock though. |
| 10:39.50 | troubled | Diazepam: gmail might not allow you to send mail directly |
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| 10:39.53 | Diazepam | troubled / sep - any ideas on why it would have stopped |
| 10:39.56 | R6Ale | hi! |
| 10:40.00 | soop | peters: thats sad, thats like removing a doorbell because someone might ring it and rob me if i'm not home |
| 10:40.03 | dn4 | SpComb, if only there was a way to reflect the lazer to come up from a desk underneath it in a dark area so that the top of the table lights up |
| 10:40.04 | blondie | soop: yes it does work |
| 10:40.05 | mIRC-Melody | well we certainly do need more reliability in servers these days! |
| 10:40.06 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: it's like a desktop you only have internet access to |
| 10:40.07 | dn4 | that would be smoking hawt |
| 10:40.13 | troubled | Diazepam: best case is to setup your mta to use your real isp email to send it off to gmail |
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| 10:40.19 | mIRC-Melody | ok are we talking about thin client here? |
| 10:40.20 | soop | i'm assuming mirc melody has it blocked then |
| 10:40.23 | karsten | peterS: xen itself doesn't do much more than mediate CPU and memory access. |
| 10:40.27 | soop | i was worried freenode might block it |
| 10:40.27 | tralala | karsten: I see. Are we actually talking UML here? |
| 10:40.27 | blondie | soop: but you (both) need to be identified I think |
| 10:40.28 | liable | karsten: ya, sounds like it may be. |
| 10:40.29 | R6Ale | quick question: is there a way to rename the kernel w/o recompiling it? |
| 10:40.33 | troubled | Diazepam: its all about security and spam really (why your cant send from any machine that is) |
| 10:40.33 | Diazepam | toubled - do you have alink that shows how to do this? |
| 10:40.33 | karsten | tralala: xen |
| 10:40.34 | terraces | hi. got a python / debian question. what's the pycentral folder ? is there a package to install to make python uses it as a path for its modules or should I make it by hand ? |
| 10:40.35 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: not exactly |
| 10:40.35 | peterS | soop: nobody's preventing you from VERSIONing people. it's just considered rude, because we only know of the one use for that feature |
| 10:40.36 | soop | oh shit |
| 10:40.37 | sep | Diazepam, probably did you configure smarthost ? ie it used your isp's mailserver ? |
| 10:40.38 | soop | i know what it is |
| 10:40.42 | troubled | Diazepam: you want a smarthost in your mta |
| 10:40.48 | soop | there we go |
| 10:41.05 | tralala | karsten: oh, xen! Teh new c00l shite. |
| 10:41.05 | Diazepam | troubled / sep what config file is that located |
| 10:41.06 | soop | i have to read the entire text of my errors |
| 10:41.12 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: say you want to run a web server, but you want to run tools that most hosting sites don't |
| 10:41.15 | karsten | tralala: No, it's last year's model ;-) |
| 10:41.17 | sep | Diazepam, what mailer are you using ? |
| 10:41.26 | karsten | liable: Here goes again... |
| 10:41.28 | peterS | karsten: so the dom0 kernel has to talk to the disk drive, so it can provide disk images to the guests. are you saying it talks to the IDE controller somehow in a more resilient way than a non-xen kernel does? |
| 10:41.33 | soop | dev52: wouldnt i just install those tools on my webserver? |
| 10:41.37 | troubled | Diazepam: are you using exim? if so try reconfig exim to use a smarthost or google for exim and smarthost examples |
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| 10:41.53 | tralala | karsten: :) |
| 10:42.00 | simmerz | what package do i have to install to get php5 ftp functions? |
| 10:42.04 | mIRC-Melody | i think virtual servers would be @ big risk from being hacked |
| 10:42.05 | Diazepam | sep / troubled - ls -l /usr/sbin/sendmail -> sendmail |
| 10:42.11 | dev52 | soop: and you also want to be connected as directly as possible to all the backbones of the net |
| 10:42.32 | Diazepam | sep / troubled : but i will change if exim is easier |
| 10:42.32 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: potentially, yes... but it's cheaper than a colo |
| 10:42.40 | troubled | Diazepam: try install exim? it will create a diversion for sendmail |
| 10:42.41 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: no more so than real servers, and the damage can be contained to the one virtual server, the rest of the real server is unaffected. in practice this barrier is quite impregnable. |
| 10:42.46 | soop | dev52: i try ... but fuck I'm in the middle of nowhere ... like i said my closest sign of civilization and technology is an ICBM |
| 10:43.12 | Diazepam | troubled - okay |
| 10:43.27 | Diazepam | toubled - then how to I ensure i have the correct smarthost added? |
| 10:43.32 | dev52 | soop: you're missing the point |
| 10:43.35 | soop | on your machine running virtualization, do you now have to have the neccessary ports etc. open to allow those virualized boxes to have connectivity? |
| 10:43.44 | soop | dev52: wouldnt be the first time |
| 10:43.55 | soop | this is usually why my wife gets angry when arguing |
| 10:44.00 | peterS | soop: each virtual OS image has its own IP address, generally |
| 10:44.08 | troubled | Diazepam: when you setup exim, it should ask you what setup to use, pick the relay using smarthost option, then it should ask for your isp email login info. put it in and you should be good to go |
| 10:44.10 | dev52 | say you want to run a web site that actually does things |
| 10:44.19 | peterS | soop: it can do whatever it wants as far as running services, blocking ports, etc., on that IP address |
| 10:44.45 | Diazepam | troubled - excellant! |
| 10:44.48 | sep | Diazepam, all mailers provide a sendmail executeable. that does not mean you run sendmail. |
| 10:44.52 | soop | peters: ok how's that work for bandwidth through a single nic ... |
| 10:44.54 | soop | that cant be good |
| 10:44.55 | troubled | Diazepam: done all ready? |
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| 10:45.08 | Diazepam | troubled - no but i will do that |
| 10:45.10 | soop | or are you using sperate nics and just assigning all traffic to a virual machine? |
| 10:45.21 | soop | and even then the bus can only transfer so much data as well |
| 10:45.25 | peterS | soop: since when did you _ever_ have a guarantee that the whole 100 Mbit/second is available? you're always at the mercy of the rest of the netwrok |
| 10:45.26 | dn4 | I am super happy this morning |
| 10:45.27 | dev52 | soop: you can do it that way too |
| 10:45.29 | Diazepam | what config file does this get written to? |
| 10:45.39 | troubled | sep: but he did show link pointing to sendmail |
| 10:45.57 | soop | morning fuck I'm worried to open my blinds cuz I bet the light will make me sleepy |
| 10:45.58 | troubled | dn4: yes, i bring out the best in ppl :) |
| 10:46.09 | mIRC-Melody | why do i keep getting disconnected from my microsoft remote desktop sessions via a 1mbps ADSL line? |
| 10:46.09 | tralala | not to mention the mercy of the nic and the driver (especially on a Gbps) |
| 10:46.09 | peterS | soop: I think typically, the host OS acts as a router or switch, routing packets to and from the guest OS instances based on IP |
| 10:46.10 | dn4 | so it was you |
| 10:46.11 | dn4 | thanks troubled |
| 10:46.21 | troubled | all in a days work |
| 10:46.25 | dn4 | wEWDTWEWERAE God Life kicks arse |
| 10:46.26 | simmerz | what package do i have to install to get php5 ftp functions? I can't find a package for it |
| 10:46.43 | peterS | soop: remember, with xen, the host and guest kernels are all in on the joke, so there's no need for a full emulated NIC for each guest. the guest OS can use a more efficient mechanism to transfer packets to the host OS. |
| 10:46.45 | troubled | dn4: trying to figure out what that meant hurt my brain :( |
| 10:47.05 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: probably microsoft is not on topic |
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| 10:47.22 | karsten | liable: No joy. But different. |
| 10:47.24 | troubled | simmerz: apt-cache search php5 | less? sorry never use that mod before |
| 10:47.28 | soop | peters: but I'm thinking about external users accessing services on the guest kernels |
| 10:47.29 | karsten | liable: No blinking moon, just no resume. |
| 10:47.38 | simmerz | troubled: nothing there |
| 10:48.05 | liable | karsten: different is progress, whether its backwards or forwards, we yet dont know.. |
| 10:48.06 | peterS | soop: think of the host kernel as a switch. you send packets to the switch which are really intended for any machine connected to that switch. the switch sends the packet where it needs to go. |
| 10:48.14 | troubled | simmerz: perhaps the debian one wasnt compiled with that support directly? sorry i dont know without looking into it for you :) |
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| 10:48.41 | karsten | peterS: If you're interesting in seeing _informed_ discussion of this I'd suggest you google "xen driver domain". There've been several presentations, several at reasonably technical levels. |
| 10:48.46 | troubled | peterS: curious, in xen, is the host "switch" still susceptable to arp spoofing? |
| 10:48.52 | simmerz | installing the pear OO version from testing instead |
| 10:48.53 | karsten | liable: Yeah. |
| 10:48.58 | peterS | soop: the only difference here is that the "switch" and the machines "connected" to the switch are all internal to the physical machine |
| 10:49.00 | karsten | liable: I need to crash out here RSN. |
| 10:49.07 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: but imagine paying 20 bux a month for a debian machine you can install any package you want and it's connected to the fattest net connection you ever had |
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| 10:49.17 | liable | karsten: no worries. |
| 10:49.17 | karsten | liable: Thanks for the help, may be back on in 8-10 hours here. |
| 10:49.36 | liable | karsten: i'll be around, if not then, later |
| 10:49.50 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: You familiar with krenel vservers, vhosts, chroots, UML, qemu, etc? |
| 10:49.56 | mIRC-Melody | no :( |
| 10:50.05 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: ... other approaches to virtualization, some more or less fully distinct than others. |
| 10:50.05 | troubled | hey, I know something that will get everyone fired up this morning.....GOTOMYPC!!! |
| 10:50.32 | mIRC-Melody | is that like PC anywhere |
| 10:50.33 | holycow | someone wanna ban the twit? |
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| 10:50.37 | troubled | lol |
| 10:50.44 | troubled | i knew you guys felt the same way lol |
| 10:50.45 | holycow | :) |
| 10:50.46 | holycow | lol |
| 10:50.49 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: not really. PC Anywhere provides a single machine with different ways to view its console. |
| 10:50.57 | troubled | i feel on edge whenever i see that damn commmercial |
| 10:50.59 | liable | karsten: btw, have you checked hibernate.log? |
| 10:51.04 | troubled | s/mmm/mm/ |
| 10:51.05 | peterS | not multiple machines "inside" the one machine. |
| 10:51.45 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: my understanding is that gotomypc is like vnc + dyndns |
| 10:51.48 | mIRC-Melody | terminal services? |
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| 10:51.52 | dev52 | as far as you know (as a customer), you have one machine connected to one IP or possibly a subnet |
| 10:52.04 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: yes, but with dyndns to find your machine regardless of ip |
| 10:52.11 | mIRC-Melody | nice |
| 10:52.16 | dev52 | you get root access to it and can log in and do anything you want |
| 10:52.37 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: NO! its plainly already possible hehe, they just patented a way of doing it :/ |
| 10:52.41 | karsten | mIRC-Melody: This article actually surveys the field (and weaknesses/strengths) pretty well: http://news.com.com/Linux+heavies+plan+lightweight+virtualization/ |
| 10:52.46 | dev52 | these generally have static IPs |
| 10:53.00 | karsten | liable: No such creature. /var/log ? |
| 10:53.04 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: a _little_ bit like Terminal Services, but TS is a much weaker concept, a concept which has been in Unix since ... well, since 1970 or so |
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| 10:53.25 | dev52 | since the start of all time! |
| 10:53.28 | troubled | export DISPLAY=exmaple.com:0.0 |
| 10:53.43 | mIRC-Melody | brb |
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| 10:54.08 | liable | karsten: yeah |
| 10:54.14 | liable | karsten: see common.conf |
| 10:54.17 | karsten | liable: Not there. |
| 10:54.18 | troubled | sorry, i suppose you were refering to telnet and not X :( |
| 10:54.28 | karsten | liable: Ugh, where's that again? |
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| 10:54.38 | liable | karsten: /etc/hibernate/ |
| 10:54.39 | soop | bbiab gotta get ready for work man I need like an espressomachine camel back |
| 10:54.55 | troubled | soop: hmmm, coffee, good idea! ty |
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| 10:55.09 | karsten | liable: Defined but not created. |
| 10:55.16 | karsten | liable: verbosity=1 |
| 10:55.22 | liable | karsten: hum |
| 10:55.26 | karsten | liable: More later, really gotta kick it. |
| 10:55.32 | liable | later |
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| 10:56.42 | ml-kula | EXIT |
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| 10:58.04 | liable | !ping |
| 10:58.04 | dpkg | pong |
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| 10:58.40 | troubled | i think #debian is out getting a cup of java |
| 10:58.58 | peterS | I drink only C#.NET |
| 10:59.02 | troubled | or #!/bin/{bash,java} :) |
| 10:59.04 | holycow | troubled, heh |
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| 10:59.25 | cydork | peterS, how can you drink that shit :P |
| 10:59.29 | troubled | peterS: .net dev are you? |
| 10:59.34 | holycow | hey petemc |
| 10:59.34 | peterS | cydork: you'd be surprised how much easier it goes down than java |
| 10:59.37 | holycow | peterS, even |
| 10:59.47 | peterS | troubled: no, but I've used C# and it's not half bad |
| 10:59.52 | holycow | peterS, but but ... that stuff is decafinated |
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| 11:00.16 | peterS | holycow: more like, it's refined and some of the more noxious chemicals were taken out of it |
| 11:00.28 | holycow | ah |
| 11:00.29 | troubled | peterS: refresh me, c# is c + oop + java like garbage collection? |
| 11:00.29 | holycow | tofu |
| 11:00.44 | troubled | peterS: or is it all about c + oop + api like turbo vision? |
| 11:01.13 | peterS | troubled: think of it more like C++ + garbage collection + modern class library a bit reminiscent of java's but probably more sane |
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| 11:01.50 | peterS | troubled: the class library implements a lot of what you get in Win32, so it's not necessarily easy to replicate it on other platforms, but what could microsoft do, decide _not_ to support the stuff you need to be able to do in windows? |
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| 11:02.14 | troubled | peterS: cool. thanks for clearing that up. but curious, wtf is .net anyways? I currently envision it as something like LAMP, mainly being rdbms driven |
| 11:02.45 | tosh | I've loaded the correct .inf and .sys for my ndiswrapper to get my broadcom 4318 wlan nic working. it has added an entry to |
| 11:02.45 | tosh | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:02.49 | holycow | troubled, .net is basically like java |
| 11:02.50 | peterS | troubled: nobody knows what .net really is. it's a marketing term that can be applied to any Microsoft-driven technology from the last 4 years or so. don't think too hard about it, it doesn't really matter. |
| 11:03.02 | troubled | peterS: im not against MS in respect to C#. If your gonna have an OS with the installed base like windows, you might as well streamline the programming |
| 11:03.06 | holycow | its a vm that can host multiple languages |
| 11:03.35 | holycow | in other words you need to download the ms .net vm to fun any .net apps |
| 11:03.40 | peterS | troubled: but one thing .net refers to is a byte-code language which C# and VB and other languages can all be compiled into - a bit like the java virtual machine .class files, but more generic |
| 11:03.50 | aidan | how can I work out why my box was last restarted? |
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| 11:03.58 | troubled | holycow: all i remember is something about downloading the "java class" and compiling is it needs realtime to execute in an emulated environment. correct? |
| 11:04.09 | troubled | s/is it/if it/ |
| 11:04.23 | dev52 | aidan: check logs |
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| 11:04.33 | dev52 | that might tell you |
| 11:04.40 | peterS | aidan: type 'last reboot' |
| 11:04.44 | peterS | aidan: or 'uptime' |
| 11:05.10 | peterS | the problem with 'last reboot' is that, due to log rotation, the wtmp file is often newer than the current boot |
| 11:05.19 | troubled | thanks for clearing that up as well :) |
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| 11:05.31 | troubled | been a long time since i programmed |
| 11:05.53 | troubled | actually, got into pascal again other week using fpc |
| 11:06.04 | dev52 | been a long time since i rock n rolled |
| 11:06.17 | troubled | their turbo vision support is ok, but I really wish it was 100% without switching to c++ |
| 11:06.45 | troubled | all i know is I want to program for linux, but I dont wanna use C/C++ :( |
| 11:07.01 | peterS | troubled: yeah, java has a byte-code form (.class files, .jar files) that runs on a virtual machine called the JVM. .NET has a competing system called the CLI, common language infrastructure, likewise including a virtual machine and a lot of standard libraries. conceptually it's the same thing, in practice of course they're not identical. |
| 11:07.05 | dev52 | troubled: try a interpreted language |
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| 11:07.29 | troubled | dev52: nah, im too comfortable with pascal to abandon it |
| 11:07.41 | troubled | dev52: although php is nice |
| 11:07.44 | holycow | the thing about .net is only runs on windows tho |
| 11:07.47 | holycow | java runs everywhere |
| 11:07.49 | dev52 | if you don't want C or C++. you probably don't want java either |
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| 11:08.04 | troubled | peterS: so they did remake java :) |
| 11:08.07 | holycow | so basically you either decide to tie your legs to th emicrosoft behemoth or decide to keep your options opne |
| 11:08.13 | cyzie | hello, how do i connect to a network via vpn ? please help |
| 11:08.14 | holycow | imho .net is not an option for any solution |
| 11:08.17 | aidan | peterS: oh, awesome |
| 11:08.26 | holycow | novell would disagree of course :) |
| 11:08.33 | Tallu | Hmm I was told to 'take up java and especially OOP'. Can anyone point me to a good book or webpage? |
| 11:08.54 | troubled | dev52: well, from what I know of pascal and oop principles I can read all C/C++ just fine. the problem is memorising the api's since pascal and C are totally diff. too much to remember both |
| 11:08.55 | dev52 | Tallu: try smalltalk |
| 11:09.09 | aidan | peterS: "reboot system boot", does that mean it was specifically restarted, rather than the plug being pulled out? possible to find out which user? |
| 11:09.10 | cyzie | Tallu, take java. it's easy. |
| 11:09.23 | troubled | cyzie: vpn howto -> google |
| 11:09.27 | holycow | at the end of the day all programming is hard |
| 11:09.28 | peterS | troubled: yes, they did. C# is basically "Java that isn't owned by Sun". but along the way I think they had some good ideas and in general I was impressed by how nice the language is. |
| 11:09.44 | cyzie | Tallu, http://java.sun.com/docs/books/tutorial/reallybigindex.html // i was reading this 1 month ago. it's good for starter |
| 11:09.50 | troubled | aidan: if a machine was pulled, there wouldnt be a log would there :) |
| 11:10.08 | peterS | aidan: I think that entry is written to the log at boot time, not at shutdown time. |
| 11:10.19 | troubled | peterS: do the languages share a lot of common syntax and reserved words? |
| 11:10.20 | Gnea | troubled: there wouldn't be? :) |
| 11:10.22 | dev52 | Tallu: in fact, try disney squeak |
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| 11:10.32 | dev52 | if you want to get familiar with oop |
| 11:10.42 | tosh | anyone using ndiswrapper with a proprietary wlan chipset? |
| 11:10.44 | peterS | troubled: they both borrow syntax heavily from C++. but I don't know Java so I can't say much about how similar they are to each other. |
| 11:10.58 | troubled | Gnea: its like saying if I shot and killed you, would you have time to write down what happened after the fact? |
| 11:11.16 | peterS | troubled: however, if a log entry is written at boot time, rather than at shutdown time, this doesn't matter, does it? |
| 11:11.27 | troubled | peterS: curious, big into web development with java? or you find other uses in linux for it? |
| 11:11.35 | cydork | tosh, yep :) |
| 11:11.37 | troubled | peterS: touche |
| 11:11.44 | peterS | troubled: I don't use java at all. I thought I made that clear, apparently not |
| 11:11.58 | Gnea | troubled: it's more like, were there logs elsewhere that were constantly transferred up to the time the system was disconnected? |
| 11:12.00 | troubled | peterS: sorry, i assumed it was a shutdown log entry :) |
| 11:12.29 | peterS | troubled: the only way java touches me is that I have to maintain subversion which includes java language bindings, which causes us a lot of problems because free java compilers in Debian leave something to be desired |
| 11:12.34 | dev52 | troubled: java isn't that great for web programming... it's much too complicated |
| 11:13.01 | troubled | dev52: i thought that was the main purpose? to make web apps? |
| 11:13.06 | peterS | dev52: and yet lots of people do use jakarta |
| 11:13.06 | dev52 | yeah |
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| 11:13.33 | holycow | troubled, no |
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| 11:13.34 | dev52 | it is the main purpose, and it's not that great |
| 11:13.41 | troubled | holycow: no with regards to what now? |
| 11:13.42 | Coweater | no it isn't |
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| 11:13.49 | peterS | troubled: it's a general-purpose language, really. at one time, Corel was toying with rewriting their entire WordPerfect suite in Java. unsurprisingly, that idea died a painful death. |
| 11:13.51 | holycow | java may have originally started as a way of developing cross platform network neutral applications |
| 11:13.59 | holycow | but java REALLY ended up in high end applications |
| 11:14.06 | holycow | in banks and very large organizations |
| 11:14.08 | tosh | cydork how did you get the card to show up in the iwconfig list? |
| 11:14.11 | troubled | peterS: they might as well just shipped corel inside a vmware install lol |
| 11:14.17 | n00biest | what's this _temp thing on my interfaces? |
| 11:14.17 | Diazepam | troubled sep: just reinstalled exim4 and no wizard started asking if i wanted to set up as smarthost |
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| 11:14.22 | cyzie | troubled, can u be moer precised? |
| 11:14.23 | holycow | its used a lot to tie together old and new systems and do a whole lot of high end work |
| 11:14.28 | n00biest | i remove the module (b44) |
| 11:14.35 | Diazepam | did dpkg -P exim4 then apt-get instlal exim4 |
| 11:14.38 | n00biest | than i modprobe it back |
| 11:14.40 | holycow | java is huge as a community, there is little that isn't done in java |
| 11:14.43 | Gnea | java has come a long way, it's much more efficient these days |
| 11:14.46 | n00biest | noe it's eth2_temp |
| 11:14.49 | troubled | holycow: they probably picked java cause the admins knew they could justify lots of blade clusters to run the piggish apps lol |
| 11:14.53 | peterS | holycow: so you're saying it's used for the purposes perl and ruby were intended for, used by people who don't know perl or ruby |
| 11:14.57 | n00biest | *now |
| 11:15.08 | Diazepam | troubled / sep: installed but didnt prompt for Smarthost config settings |
| 11:15.08 | holycow | troubled, lol |
| 11:15.08 | Gnea | troubled: it's not as piggish as it used to be |
| 11:15.13 | troubled | Diazepam: dpkg-reconfigure exim4? |
| 11:15.22 | simonrvn | exim4-config |
| 11:15.22 | petemc | dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:15.24 | peterS | Gnea: I bet it is, it's just your hardware which has gotten bigger |
| 11:15.26 | dev52 | n00biest: you need to know what it's called -right- after you boot |
| 11:15.34 | Diazepam | troubled - did that but does nothting |
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| 11:15.42 | troubled | simonrvn: ah ty, forgot about dpkg not working like that :) |
| 11:15.42 | Gnea | peterS: i was just going to mention something about new and improved hardware :) |
| 11:15.50 | n00biest | dev52: still here? it's called eth1_temp_temp |
| 11:15.51 | holycow | peterS, no, just explaining that the java really has a lot going for it |
| 11:15.53 | troubled | Diazepam: follow simonrvn, he knows all mta |
| 11:16.04 | troubled | s/all/all that is/ |
| 11:16.07 | Diazepam | okay |
| 11:16.08 | holycow | a lot of people complain about the complexity of java ... but ther eis a reason the complexity exists |
| 11:16.12 | dev52 | then rename that :) |
| 11:16.13 | holycow | it just does a LOT |
| 11:16.17 | Gnea | peterS: it's almost as if java was designed as a utility to drive the hardware market |
| 11:16.30 | mIRC-Melody | can anyone recommend a good free spam filter for MS Exchange that is easy to install and use please? |
| 11:16.43 | dev52 | Gnea: that's what video games are for |
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| 11:16.48 | troubled | cyzie: sorry back. whats this now? |
| 11:16.52 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: we don't do MS apps here |
| 11:16.52 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: Exchange is off-topic here. if you want to use a Debian mail server, perhaps we can help you. |
| 11:16.57 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: again, ms is off-topic |
| 11:17.05 | holycow | mIRC-Melody, go ask bill gates |
| 11:17.10 | mIRC-Melody | pls someone, if u know just msg me... i'm new to all this |
| 11:17.38 | Gnea | dev52: video games are just an economic powerhorse |
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| 11:17.55 | dev52 | and they feed hardware purchases |
| 11:17.57 | Diazepam | simonrvn - just installed exim4-config - what directory is it installed to? |
| 11:18.14 | dev52 | Diazepam: dpkg --help |
| 11:18.15 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: your here to learn new ways to do things right? try our way :) |
| 11:18.25 | cyzie | troubled, vpn. i dont wish to go into deatils of vpn. i just wanna connect to the vpn server. any fast howto ? |
| 11:18.27 | Diazepam | as exim4-config returns "Cp,,amd mpt fpimd" |
| 11:18.31 | Gnea | dev52: i'm referring to java and other programs, such as windows xp, which test the limits of current system capabilities and provide justification to companies to develop and test new devices |
| 11:18.33 | dev52 | that would involve a lot of learning really fast |
| 11:18.36 | Diazepam | "command not found" |
| 11:18.38 | mIRC-Melody | i'll try ur way but my boss tells me i gotta sort out the spam and he has exchange and won't let me change it yet |
| 11:18.49 | troubled | Diazepam: try: which programname (furture reference only) |
| 11:18.50 | neenaoffline | How do I add a new user ? |
| 11:19.01 | aread | when looking at /proc/sys/kernel/version, the first thing there is '#1'. What is that? |
| 11:19.04 | dev52 | adduser |
| 11:19.04 | cydork | neenaoffline, man adduser |
| 11:19.13 | dev52 | (did that surprise you? :) |
| 11:19.17 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah i did and got nothing |
| 11:19.18 | Tallu | Is it possible to read .chm documents with debian? |
| 11:19.19 | neenaoffline | cydork, I don't have adduser |
| 11:19.25 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: but he didn't necessarily say that you couldn't use a debian system as a spam filter in conjunction with exchange now did he? :) |
| 11:19.30 | dev52 | why not? |
| 11:19.35 | n00biest | Tallu: xchm |
| 11:19.39 | cydork | neenaoffline, how come?? |
| 11:19.40 | Tallu | n00biest: thanks |
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| 11:19.49 | troubled | cyzie: not really, depends on what tunnel type the vpn is (ie: ipsec, GRE, MS ppp mschap etc) |
| 11:19.59 | neenaoffline | cydork, I'm on etch netinstall |
| 11:19.59 | cyzie | ipsec |
| 11:20.08 | cyzie | troubled, ipsec and openvpn |
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| 11:20.19 | dev52 | oh, you probably don't have it installed |
| 11:20.25 | peterS | mIRC-Melody: we don't really care _why_ you have to use Microsoft products. maybe you have no choice. we just can't help you with Microsoft products, that's all. |
| 11:20.28 | troubled | Diazepam: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config |
| 11:20.28 | mIRC-Melody | guys, i'm STUCK with ms exchange for now... PLS let me know if u know of a free spam filter i can use until i can get us all switched to debian here... thank u in advance |
| 11:20.51 | Diazepam | troubled - excellant! |
| 11:21.05 | peterS | "but I can't find the answer anywhere else" does not make a question on-topic for #debian, sorry |
| 11:21.06 | troubled | cyzie: try a ipsec howto? sorry, I dont have vpn stuff memorized hehe. way too much to remember |
| 11:21.18 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: look, begging for something isn't going to get you anywhere good - if you'd take the time to answer our relevent questions, then maybe we can help you.. .otherwise, you're SOL |
| 11:21.29 | cydork | neenaoffline, useradd? |
| 11:21.35 | aread | neenaoffline: are you looking as root? |
| 11:21.39 | mIRC-Melody | sol? |
| 11:21.40 | cyzie | troubled, okay |
| 11:21.41 | cyzie | thanks |
| 11:21.41 | dev52 | mIRC-Melody: it must make you feel fairly powerless to be stuck like that... sorry it happened to you |
| 11:21.51 | Gnea | !sol |
| 11:21.51 | dpkg | well, sol is Shit Outta Luck. Sex On Legs. Earth's star, or the note that precedes La, or but really straight out of luck, or a shit beer |
| 11:21.52 | mIRC-Melody | no problem dev52 it's not ur fault |
| 11:22.01 | Gnea | guess :) |
| 11:22.03 | cydork | sex on legs?? |
| 11:22.05 | cydork | :) |
| 11:22.09 | Gnea | hehehe |
| 11:22.10 | mIRC-Melody | !ftp |
| 11:22.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, ftp is (File Transfer Protocol) This is a method of moving files from system to system using TCP/IP. There are three sane kinds of ftp: anonymous, encrypted and unprivileged (non-unix users). Unencrypted ftp using unix users will get your box pwn3d as fast as runnin windows on your firewall machine. |
| 11:22.15 | mIRC-Melody | nice |
| 11:22.20 | troubled | cyzie: if your using ipsec though, im pretty sure the tunnels will be created automatically if so configured |
| 11:22.34 | Gnea | mIRC-Melody: and yes, 'shit outta luck' is the correct answer. |
| 11:22.46 | mIRC-Melody | hehe |
| 11:22.46 | troubled | cyzie: its not like with GRE where you have to manually create the tunnel ahead of time before you put traffic over it |
| 11:22.53 | mIRC-Melody | Gnea is clever |
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| 11:22.57 | Diazepam | simonrvn - which mail configuration should i select if I want to send all email via my ISP SMTP server 1. "mail sent by smarthost; recieved via SMTP or fetchmail" 2. Mail sent by smarthost; no local mail 3. internet site; mail is send and recieved directly using SMTP? |
| 11:23.01 | mIRC-Melody | is Gnea a bot or person or both |
| 11:23.04 | Gnea | i do what i can |
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| 11:23.11 | mIRC-Melody | !gnea |
| 11:23.11 | dpkg | from memory, gnea is a gnea!, or someone who likes to give obvious answers |
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| 11:23.20 | Gnea | last i checked, i'm 100% flesh & blood |
| 11:23.24 | dev52 | it's a bot and a person and a both! |
| 11:23.29 | mIRC-Melody | nice |
| 11:23.33 | mIRC-Melody | !dev52 |
| 11:23.35 | mIRC-Melody | !vpn |
| 11:23.36 | dpkg | vpn is probably see Virtual Private Network. see OpenSSH, or check http://kubarb.phsx.ukans.edu/~tbird/vpn.html for a host of info. http://www.vpnc.org/ and http://www.freeswan.org/ |
| 11:23.37 | azeem | Gnea: no muscles, eh? |
| 11:23.42 | simonrvn | Diazepam: smarthost |
| 11:23.43 | troubled | Gnea: Poison! |
| 11:23.43 | mIRC-Melody | !help |
| 11:23.47 | mIRC-Melody | !rules |
| 11:23.48 | Gnea | azeem: don't push your luck ;) |
| 11:23.50 | dpkg | hmm... rules is 1) Don't ask to ask. Just state your problem, 2) Don't repeat until 15 mins after, 3) Read and re-read the docs first, then admit it if you REALLY don't understand. You're wasting your time and ours if you haven't at least tried. 4) If your problem ain't solved, come back in 12 hrs or 24 hrs later. We're very international. 5) Be polite and patient. |
| 11:23.52 | azeem | mIRC-Melody: please /msg the bot for unrelated inquiries |
| 11:24.00 | mIRC-Melody | ok azeem |
| 11:24.39 | troubled | Diazepam: any luck with the smarthost yet? |
| 11:24.56 | Diazepam | simonrvn - mail sent by smarthost; recieved via SMTP or fetchmail *** OR *** mail sent by smarthost; no local mail |
| 11:25.03 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah working on it |
| 11:25.05 | neenaoffline | How do I add a new user without adduser ? |
| 11:25.11 | dev52 | useradd |
| 11:25.13 | Diazepam | troubled - simonrvn giving me the goods |
| 11:25.14 | peterS | neenaoffline: why without adduser? |
| 11:25.22 | cyzie | troubled, alright |
| 11:25.26 | mIRC-Melody | !uptime |
| 11:25.27 | troubled | Diazepam: :) good luck. I would say no local mail though |
| 11:25.31 | dev52 | he only has base |
| 11:25.31 | neenaoffline | peterS, I don't have adduser |
| 11:25.40 | peterS | neenaoffline: uh, 'apt-get install adduser', then you will |
| 11:25.48 | aread | neenaoffline: vipw |
| 11:25.52 | mIRC-Melody | is Diazepam a Diazepam spammer!!?? he is asking about e-mail questions???! SPAM ALERT! |
| 11:25.58 | troubled | Diazepam: yes, he's a guru with exim4. Im a little rusty compared to him for sure heh |
| 11:26.03 | dev52 | assuming also your apt-get is configured |
| 11:26.05 | neenaoffline | peterS, My apt-get is complaining |
| 11:26.14 | peterS | neenaoffline: then that is what you should have asked about |
| 11:26.16 | neenaoffline | dev52, nope :( |
| 11:26.18 | Diazepam | troubled - this problem has had me dreaming about MTA's for 3 days! |
| 11:26.33 | azeem | neenaoffline: are you running adduser and apt-get as sudo/root? |
| 11:26.38 | dev52 | try apt-setup |
| 11:26.41 | troubled | Diazepam: ive been there before (not just mta's hehe) |
| 11:26.49 | cydork | dev52, apt-setup is not in etch |
| 11:26.49 | neenaoffline | peterS, nope , I wanna create new user without adduser |
| 11:26.54 | dev52 | what's it complaining about? |
| 11:27.02 | troubled | Diazepam: the stuff you learn along to way to the solution is worth the frustration though |
| 11:27.04 | dev52 | is he using etch? |
| 11:27.05 | neenaoffline | azeem, sudo ... |
| 11:27.13 | dn4 | Man it is so hot in Texas being naked is the coolest way to go. |
| 11:27.16 | dev52 | and what replaces apt-setup? |
| 11:27.24 | azeem | dev52: nothing |
| 11:27.25 | peterS | neenaoffline: if you can't tell us _why_ you find adduser objectionable, we cannot tell you what to do instead. whatever we tell you, you might say "oh, I can't use that either" |
| 11:27.26 | troubled | Diazepam: the more you learn about behind the scenes the better IMHO |
| 11:27.29 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah started learning Hylafax (then had to learn MTA's) |
| 11:27.34 | dev52 | so what happened to it? |
| 11:27.47 | Diazepam | troubled - studying LPI 102 at the moment so very interesting |
| 11:27.48 | neenaoffline | peterS, hehe , okay fine ........ |
| 11:28.02 | troubled | Diazepam: yesterday was Hylafax, today is exim, tommorow is everything else in linux/debian :) |
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| 11:28.29 | mIRC-Melody | Checking for the latest updates for your computer... |
| 11:28.33 | neenaoffline | I've been trying to configure my sources.list since three days |
| 11:28.34 | peterS | neenaoffline: also, if you just say "I refuse to use the tool Debian provides, but I won't say why", we all begin to suspect perhaps you're not running Debian, but trying to get free support for some non-Debian system. |
| 11:28.45 | dev52 | was it that some idiot maintainer decided "they shouldn't do this with any help... they should read up on everything and then create their own config"?? |
| 11:28.47 | cydork | !sources.list |
| 11:28.47 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, sources.list is something like "deb http://ftp.<cc>.debian.org/debian <etch/sid> main contrib non-free" where cc is your country code. |
| 11:28.54 | troubled | Diazepam: I swear with linux/debian, everything you need or want to learn is broke in a way (usually trivial) that makes you master the software to get it working in your setup |
| 11:29.02 | cydork | neenaoffline, use what dpkg said ^^ |
| 11:29.10 | peterS | that or just run 'apt-setup' |
| 11:29.14 | neenaoffline | I can't even get xserver-xorg ! |
| 11:29.17 | azeem | dev52: no, the reason is that base-config (of which apt-setup was part of) got integrated into the first stage of debian-installer |
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| 11:29.28 | cydork | peterS, he is on etch. |
| 11:29.28 | dev52 | ohh |
| 11:29.29 | dev52 | nice |
| 11:29.30 | peterS | neenaoffline: xserver-xorg does not exist in debian stable. you want xserver-xfree86. |
| 11:29.33 | Diazepam | simonrvn - so should i select mail sent by smarthost; no local delivery? |
| 11:29.34 | neenaoffline | peterS, there is no apt-setup |
| 11:29.37 | troubled | Diazepam: just wait til you need something preconfigured in debian that requires a manual compile. Then the real fun starts. Its about a 3 day detour usually lol |
| 11:29.38 | dev52 | so why not factor?? |
| 11:29.41 | dev52 | sheesh :) |
| 11:29.54 | neenaoffline | peterS, I'm on etch/unstable net install :) |
| 11:29.57 | azeem | factor what? |
| 11:29.58 | dev52 | that program is kinda useful, especially for new folks :P |
| 11:30.05 | azeem | neenaoffline: please start to paste error messages to a pastebin |
| 11:30.06 | azeem | !paste |
| 11:30.07 | dpkg | i heard paste is Do NOT paste into the channel. Use http://channels.debian.net/paste |
| 11:30.09 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah had to recompile the kernel and the instructions i was given at TAFE was for fedora |
| 11:30.21 | dev52 | factor apt-setup out of the set of things |
| 11:30.21 | peterS | neenaoffline: I smell a troll. how did you get into the situation of having an etch/unstable install but _not_ having a working sources.list file? it sounds like you broke it yourself, so go back and undo whatever you did. |
| 11:30.30 | neenaoffline | azeem, I know where to paste :) |
| 11:30.35 | azeem | neenaoffline: so do it |
| 11:30.40 | Diazepam | troubled - so i spent 4 days figuring out how to do it under debian in a way that would not stray to far fromt he LPI objectives |
| 11:30.42 | troubled | Diazepam: well, kernel compiles are usually cake these days (especially with 2.6!), unless your remote installing it :) |
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| 11:30.54 | neenaoffline | peterS, I screwed it while installing |
| 11:31.07 | cydork | neenaoffline, so now fix it :) |
| 11:31.34 | dev52 | or just install again |
| 11:31.37 | neenaoffline | 2 minutes , I'll need to login to Xubuntu , I need GUI ........... |
| 11:31.43 | azeem | dev52: that is ill advise |
| 11:31.47 | troubled | Diazepam: ya, following package guildlines in debian is a nightmare if its something beyond simply using an existing package. ie: you gotta practically master packaging in order to do what you need done _properly_ according to the guildlines |
| 11:31.49 | cydork | dev52, why? |
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| 11:32.02 | azeem | neenaoffline: you can paste from the console as well |
| 11:32.04 | simonrvn | troubled: no kidding |
| 11:32.07 | dev52 | azeem: not if he just installed and especially not if he's new |
| 11:32.09 | azeem | neenaoffline: or just transcribe it |
| 11:32.21 | simonrvn | even modifying an existing package to do something else can be a real challenge |
| 11:32.33 | Diazepam | troubled - if i select mail sent by smarthost; no local mail - am i still able to recieve mail via a client such as evolution? |
| 11:32.39 | peterS | azeem: well, one might suggest installing gpm but apparently he's in a state where he can't install anything (: |
| 11:32.41 | troubled | simonrvn: I swear I still dont know how to make a proper package with multiple install packages/libs yet without going step by step through a basic howto lol |
| 11:32.56 | cydork | dev52, but that's not a solution you can say that to every freekin problem. |
| 11:32.59 | dev52 | if he's got a netinst cd, shouldn't it take like 5 mins or somethign? |
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| 11:33.14 | dev52 | cydork: no kidding? :) |
| 11:33.28 | troubled | Diazepam: i think what you want to do is forward all emails for root and users to your isp email account or else you wont get any cause sendmail (exim really) wont know who your addressing |
| 11:33.35 | cydork | dev52, well not to every freekin problem :P |
| 11:33.41 | troubled | Diazepam: or you could use smarthost + local delivery |
| 11:34.21 | troubled | Diazepam: personally, i think it makes more sense to keep local mail on the server instead of sending unencrypted out the network since root emails could releave sensitive info about your system |
| 11:34.36 | dev52 | but for this case it might be the most efficient and expediant thing to do, unless he's got a lot of work into configuring this one |
| 11:34.47 | troubled | Diazepam: imagine cracklib sending root and email about weak passwords over an untrusted net to your isp email account! |
| 11:34.56 | troubled | s/and/an/ |
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| 11:36.18 | Diazepam | hmmm okay - so select "mail sent by smarthost; recieved via SMTP or fetchmail " |
| 11:36.34 | simonrvn | troubled: i can barely remember how i did it when i started doing that. i can remeber the pain though heheh |
| 11:36.40 | troubled | Diazepam: think so |
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| 11:37.10 | troubled | simonrvn: ya, short of manually ripping apart the configs and doing it all yourself im not sure if thats what he wants |
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| 11:37.34 | troubled | simonrvn: exim was always one of those things you only do once and leave it the fsck alone! lol kinda like bind |
| 11:38.11 | nvz | a properly configured MTA requires no maint |
| 11:38.30 | dev52 | well, if you're not also maintaining a domain name |
| 11:38.31 | Diazepam | troubled: okay im being asked for "Machines to relay mail for" - is this were i type the smtp server of my isp e.g. mail.bigpond.com |
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| 11:38.39 | troubled | nvz: thats fine until you loose the whole setup and need to remake it asap! :) |
| 11:38.48 | simonrvn | nvz: minimal anyway. i like refining things. |
| 11:38.50 | Tallu | Diazepam: no |
| 11:39.00 | troubled | Diazepam: hehe what tallu said |
| 11:39.10 | troubled | Diazepam: thats for what domains you host |
| 11:39.29 | nvz | simonrvn: must be a canadian thing.. in america we fuck it up the first time no need to refine |
| 11:39.33 | troubled | Diazepam: ie: exmaple.com would mean your mta would accept mail for *@example.com |
| 11:39.38 | Diazepam | i just want my hylafax service to be able to use Exim4 to send a copy of all faxes via email |
| 11:39.43 | Diazepam | its a stand alone box |
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| 11:40.33 | troubled | Diazepam: dont put any relay hosts unless you have dns setup and want some machine (like localhost, but dont put that here) to be able to send mail to anyone without logging in |
| 11:40.35 | simonrvn | nvz: naw, that's a human thing ;p (fucking up, *and* refining, heh) |
| 11:40.38 | dev52 | Diazepam: then you have some work to do to get them working together |
| 11:40.51 | nvz | I had a bunch of canadians come in last night at work.. I couldt belive they actually do that 'eh' thing all the time. |
| 11:40.54 | Diazepam | diazepam so should i just write : 192.168.0.1/24 ? |
| 11:41.07 | troubled | Diazepam: you could, im pretty sure it accepts CIDR |
| 11:41.17 | troubled | Diazepam: but you better trust your network |
| 11:41.25 | simonrvn | nvz: eh? |
| 11:41.27 | nvz | I am not sure what part of speach that is. |
| 11:41.36 | nvz | simonrvn: eh, ay.. wtf ever it is |
| 11:41.38 | simonrvn | emphasis |
| 11:41.48 | Diazepam | so if i leave it blank it will only allow mail to be sent from internal services |
| 11:42.05 | simonrvn | well, depends really.. if you get the upturn at the end it's part of a question. |
| 11:42.07 | nvz | simonrvn: well apperently canadians like to emphasize cause they sure do it a lot |
| 11:42.09 | troubled | Diazepam: for security, your better off leaving it empty, or else a machine on 192.168.1.x with a virus could find your mta and use it to spam without limits |
| 11:42.20 | Diazepam | toubled - ahh okay |
| 11:42.29 | nvz | simonrvn: heh, yeah they were using it in questions a lot. |
| 11:42.38 | Diazepam | troubled - opkay asking for smarthost now |
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| 11:42.45 | Diazepam | outgoing smarthost |
| 11:42.46 | neenaoffline | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3546 |
| 11:42.48 | troubled | Diazepam: normally you need a user/pass to send to anyone, relay means you accept blindly for that domain |
| 11:42.59 | Diazepam | troubled okay |
| 11:43.23 | simonrvn | in that case it's looking for a response from the other person. or, occasionally, saying "wtf?" instead of "wtf?!" |
| 11:43.23 | Diazepam | now its asking for "machine handling outgoing mail for this host (smarthost):" |
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| 11:43.36 | cydork | neenaoffline, wht? |
| 11:43.46 | azeem | neenaoffline: turn off noisy away |
| 11:43.51 | nvz | simonrvn: I'm just glad none of them asked for bacon.. because I would feel stupid asking them if they meant canadian bacon or just bacon.. heh |
| 11:43.52 | Diazepam | it has: mail.dragonfly (dragonfly is my hostname) |
| 11:43.54 | neenaoffline | cydork: my sources.list |
| 11:44.03 | neenaoffline | azeem: what ? |
| 11:44.04 | Diazepam | troubled - do i put the isp smtp server here? or just leave it |
| 11:44.07 | azeem | 13:36 * neenaoffline is away , ( "mom's calling" ) |
| 11:44.08 | troubled | Diazepam: thats your isp dns addy |
| 11:44.20 | simonrvn | canadian bacon is back bacon, basically |
| 11:44.21 | Diazepam | so mail.bigpond.com |
| 11:44.22 | cydork | neenaoffline, i just checked it, and wtf?? why are so many stable entries there?? |
| 11:44.25 | troubled | Diazepam: err your mta addy, ya |
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| 11:44.26 | neenaoffline | azeem: sorry , gonna leave in a few mins |
| 11:44.27 | azeem | neenaoffline: there's no proper etch line in there, replace the stable ones with etch if you want |
| 11:44.37 | cydork | !tell neenaoffline about sources.list |
| 11:44.41 | neenaoffline | cydork: azeem: ooooh |
| 11:44.51 | Diazepam | troubled - so mail.bigpond.com |
| 11:44.58 | troubled | Diazepam: ya |
| 11:44.59 | nvz | simonrvn: yeah but if a canadian asks for bacon and you sell round canadian bacon and strip bacon.. you would almost have to wonder |
| 11:45.03 | Diazepam | cool |
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| 11:45.12 | dev52 | neenaoffline; your away message... when you're in here with 500 other people, how many of those need to know you're away? |
| 11:45.23 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 11:45.32 | troubled | Diazepam: keep in mind that since your using a smarthost, you are bound by their mta rules and settings (message size etc) |
| 11:45.43 | neenaoffline | dev52: sorry , I forgot :( |
| 11:45.50 | simonrvn | nvz: just hand me the lard bread and jam, ok? ;p |
| 11:45.59 | troubled | Diazepam: so if they bounce all emails bigger than say 1mb, you better make sure you dont send anything too big |
| 11:46.29 | troubled | Diazepam: also, anything that DOES bounce will bounce back to your ISP mailbox and start to fill it up, so keep an eye on tit |
| 11:46.33 | troubled | s/tit/it/ lol |
| 11:46.47 | simonrvn | troubled has tits on the brain (still) |
| 11:46.48 | dev52 | titit? |
| 11:46.51 | Diazepam | now its asking if i should change header - should i do this - i know some ISP will bounce emails will funny headers like 'localhost' |
| 11:47.01 | troubled | simonrvn: hush! |
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| 11:47.02 | simonrvn | dev52: man sed |
| 11:47.08 | dev52 | med? |
| 11:47.12 | Diazepam | sorry its asking to hide my header - YES or NO |
| 11:47.37 | nvz | simonrvn: thats like trying to sell toast in texas, or ice in italy.. it gets confusing |
| 11:47.42 | troubled | Diazepam: i do but the isp will add the helo info and your ip anyways usually |
| 11:47.45 | simonrvn | troubled: *grin* |
| 11:47.47 | nvz | or waffles in belgum |
| 11:47.56 | troubled | simonrvn: :) |
| 11:48.13 | cydork | nvz, you can sell ice here :) it's summer now |
| 11:48.18 | simonrvn | nvz: or moccasins to a native =) |
| 11:48.48 | nvz | cydork: I mean the italian ice.. if you're italian and in italy, you wouldnt still call it italian ice would you? |
| 11:49.38 | cydork | nvz, ohh :P |
| 11:49.59 | nvz | those canadians were giving me greif about not having a BLT Bagel on the menu.. I was like dude, I can make you a BLT Bagel even if its not on the menu just tell me whats suppose to be on it :P |
| 11:50.34 | simonrvn | bagel instead of burger bun dude ;) |
| 11:51.21 | simonrvn | ooh, i haven't seen that ip for a while |
| 11:51.26 | simonrvn | ;) |
| 11:51.35 | nvz | no ours is a Bacon Egg and Cheese Bagel. Eggs, Cheese, Bacon, Breakfast Sauce.. apperently in canadia they put mayo, and tomato and lettuce on it |
| 11:51.51 | troubled | :) |
| 11:52.00 | troubled | simonrvn: nice, you do that yourself? |
| 11:52.09 | simonrvn | the deco? yeh |
| 11:52.37 | dev52 | bagel's better burger bun, bub! |
| 11:52.37 | troubled | simonrvn: snazzy! |
| 11:52.48 | simonrvn | the sun my wife did, and i expanded the rays, the softer lgiht around the sun, and the css |
| 11:53.03 | troubled | simonrvn: little slow on the load, but I think thats more epihany. seems to wait til everythings loaded before it displays |
| 11:53.32 | simonrvn | yeh, that might be gecko. slow load is also my crappy upload :( |
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| 11:53.52 | simonrvn | averages 80-90 KB/s |
| 11:54.07 | troubled | simonrvn: plus I cant turn off css in this browser like firefox/moz |
| 11:54.07 | Mike42 | hello thefish_ :P |
| 11:54.22 | thefish_ | Hello world! |
| 11:54.26 | troubled | simonrvn: curious, what backend? pgsql? or mysq? |
| 11:54.33 | thefish_ | cd /etc/ ?FSD? |
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| 11:54.41 | simonrvn | no backend. all text+rcs |
| 11:55.08 | nvz | thats a shitty method for a browser engine if it doesnt display anything until its completly loaded.. what would happen with streaming content or something of the sort |
| 11:55.23 | simonrvn | major part of the reason i don't go for a faster wiki, is the no backend feature |
| 11:55.32 | nvz | html can be parsed without having the whole file and everything it links to |
| 11:55.59 | troubled | simonrvn: ah, so its all wiki based? sorry, wiki is one thing i havent tried out yet |
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| 11:56.16 | simonrvn | nvz: netscape used to do that a lot more. for moz and other gecko engines they do strange things |
| 11:56.24 | simonrvn | troubled: yup |
| 11:56.28 | troubled | nvz: no idea, but that seems to be how epihany works |
| 11:56.44 | simonrvn | gecko engine-based, rather |
| 11:56.45 | nvz | I never liked epiphany |
| 11:57.24 | nvz | I did like galeon a little before the rewrite for gtk 2.0 when it lost GUI hooks to 98% of its features |
| 11:57.26 | troubled | simonrvn: well, myself i probably would have done it myself with a db backend, but then i guess thats just another point of failure, not to mention that support would be limited for hosting |
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| 11:58.01 | nvz | I dont know what good a graphical program is when it doesnt have a way for the user to interface properly |
| 11:58.04 | troubled | "Stop double-clicking on URL links, people! The web is not your desktop." <- lol |
| 11:58.08 | simonrvn | troubled: there is a sort of db backend, but it's disk based, a bit like bdb or so |
| 11:58.26 | troubled | simonrvn: all php based I assume? |
| 11:58.29 | SpComb | troubled: simple solution: make the icons on your desktop single-clickable! |
| 11:58.32 | simonrvn | nope, perl |
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| 11:58.42 | slaq | help.. how can i figure out which SCSI channel/ID/lun is mapped to /dev/sdf? |
| 11:58.48 | troubled | SpComb: sorry, it would make sense if you knew the context |
| 11:58.53 | simonrvn | cat /proc/scsi? |
| 11:59.02 | simonrvn | or /proc/scsi/scsi even |
| 11:59.16 | simonrvn | slaq: also check /var/log/dmesg |
| 11:59.21 | troubled | simonrvn: ahh, theres another diff. I would have went php+pgsql|mysql |
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| 11:59.37 | troubled | simonrvn: not big on perl really. least not for web stuff |
| 11:59.37 | slaq | simonrvn, no sd* mentioned in there.. can i assume that it the topmost listed device will be sda and the next one sdb, etc.? |
| 11:59.42 | simonrvn | i hate having to have an rdbms just to run some fricking wiki |
| 11:59.54 | simonrvn | slaq: yup. |
| 12:00.13 | troubled | simonrvn: i feel you, but db's are just too cool :) |
| 12:00.28 | troubled | plus im comfortable with LAMP |
| 12:00.30 | simonrvn | troubled: frankly, i'd go for python or ruby. python preferably. much faster, but the python wikis out there SUCK ass |
| 12:01.05 | slaq | simonrvn, ok.. dmesg doesnt mention a direct mapping either.. i think i gotta complain to whoever built the scsi tools that this is very annoying.. i dont want to "fingercount" when hot-swapping disks in production servers... |
| 12:01.11 | simonrvn | i've tried most of them |
| 12:01.15 | troubled | simonrvn: ive seen python/ruby rails etc on /. alot, but the last thing i need is to learn one more thing hehe |
| 12:01.25 | simonrvn | slaq: you get used to it :P |
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| 12:01.35 | slaq | simonrvn, until i "miscount" once... |
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| 12:01.57 | troubled | simonrvn: honestly for web stuff, i found dreamweaver(with phakt mod)+pgsql using templates is da bomb |
| 12:01.57 | simonrvn | slaq: serously, though, there are tools for that though |
| 12:02.13 | slaq | simonrvn, ahhh.. where do i get these? :) |
| 12:02.22 | simonrvn | troubled: i got tired of writing (X)HTML |
| 12:02.33 | simonrvn | !tell slaq about search |
| 12:02.55 | slaq | yes but for what keyword? |
| 12:03.03 | troubled | simonrvn: I found i barely had to write anything with dreamweaver, but then again i never really did run much of my stuff through a validator |
| 12:03.10 | simonrvn | scsi for one :) |
| 12:03.36 | simonrvn | troubled: i'm picky about it validating. at least by eye ;) |
| 12:03.54 | troubled | simonrvn: i must admit though, dreamweaver is soooo nice, even for dynamic stuff. Just gotta watch how adodb creates insecure .php files for communication |
| 12:04.01 | slaq | simonrvn, you are very funny. neither scsitools nor sg3-utils have any tool that does what you said.. so do you actually know one that does or what? |
| 12:04.19 | simonrvn | slaq: they don't? :/ |
| 12:04.34 | simonrvn | hmm, sec |
| 12:04.36 | troubled | slaq: you mean rescan scsi bus? |
| 12:04.57 | troubled | scsiadd rings a bell for some reason (been a while) |
| 12:04.58 | simonrvn | no, count devices, find what is using what device file, that sort of thing |
| 12:05.13 | slaq | troubled, no, i mean figuring out which channel/ID/lun /dev/sda is... |
| 12:05.30 | troubled | ahh, pretty sure its in proc somewhere for some reason.... |
| 12:05.53 | slaq | troubled, dont think so, i've browsed all scsi related stuff that i could find |
| 12:05.56 | troubled | slaq: or what that only with udev? |
| 12:05.58 | simonrvn | slaq: it's not that hard, really. often (if not always) dmesg will have that info |
| 12:06.10 | slaq | simonrvn, my dmesg doesnt ahve it :) |
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| 12:06.26 | troubled | slaq: i dont have a scsi box handy to look either :( |
| 12:06.56 | slaq | in dmesg i get stuff like: Attached scsi generic sg8 at scsi1, channel 0, id 8, lun 0, type 3 |
| 12:06.57 | simonrvn | SCSI device sda: 35566480 512-byte hdwr sectors (18210 MB) |
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| 12:07.21 | simonrvn | scsi0 : Adaptec AIC7XXX EISA/VLB/PCI SCSI HBA DRIVER, Rev 7.0 |
| 12:07.28 | troubled | slaq: what about devfs? or what it udev? thought one of them used a full lun path to the device and added a proc entry for it |
| 12:07.35 | slaq | simonrvn, yes.. now imagine you have 16 identical drives in your box, which is which? |
| 12:07.43 | slaq | troubled, we're using neither, 2.4 kernel here |
| 12:07.48 | simonrvn | first one is sda. guaranteed |
| 12:08.19 | slaq | simonrvn, what about the others.. is it guaranteed that the letters are assigned in order of /proc/scsi/scsi? even after some of the drives were hotswapped? |
| 12:08.21 | troubled | scsi_id? |
| 12:08.40 | simonrvn | yes. not sure. never done hot swap |
| 12:08.53 | Diazepam | troubled - sorry for dropping off. Kids woke and i had to attend |
| 12:08.53 | troubled | Diazepam: np |
| 12:08.56 | liable | slaq: are you sure dmesg |grep lun doesnt output anything? |
| 12:09.37 | slaq | liable, arrrhhh |
| 12:09.46 | Diazepam | torubled - so now its asking "Keep number of DNS-queries minimal (Dial-on-Demand) ? YES NO |
| 12:09.57 | troubled | slaq: apt-cache show scsitools? anything in there get you the info ya need? |
| 12:10.10 | simonrvn | Diazepam: answer yes if using dial-on-demand, otherwise no |
| 12:10.10 | slaq | troubled, n/m... its in dmesg.. i was blind... |
| 12:10.21 | troubled | Diazepam: your call. but if its 24/7 connection then i would say no |
| 12:10.41 | troubled | slaq: turn your q around! hehe |
| 12:11.01 | slaq | hehe |
| 12:11.10 | troubled | guess its more of a backhand lol |
| 12:11.13 | Diazepam | troubled / sed / simonrvn - thats it ... wizard is complete |
| 12:11.16 | Diazepam | thanks |
| 12:11.37 | simonrvn | wizards are for winbloze ;) |
| 12:11.38 | simonrvn | np |
| 12:11.39 | troubled | Diazepam: test it locally. mail bob@gmail.com |
| 12:11.43 | Diazepam | it never asked me for my ISP's smtp password though |
| 12:12.12 | troubled | Diazepam: your isp may allow you to relay based on your ip |
| 12:12.21 | Diazepam | troubled - so if i want to send an email to my gmail account i would # mail person@gmail.com? |
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| 12:12.36 | simonrvn | don't use root to do that |
| 12:12.43 | troubled | Diazepam: you should be able to setup exim4 to auth though if needed, but thats behind the scope of our help ;) |
| 12:12.50 | troubled | Diazepam: yes |
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| 12:12.58 | Diazepam | troubled - thansk |
| 12:13.04 | troubled | Diazepam: tail -f your mail logs too and watch what happens |
| 12:13.08 | Diazepam | simonrvn - thanks |
| 12:13.11 | Diazepam | sed - thanks |
| 12:13.25 | simonrvn | who's sed? |
| 12:13.33 | troubled | Diazepam: tail -f /var/log/exim/mainlog.log? (or whatever exim log is these days) |
| 12:13.45 | simonrvn | mainlog |
| 12:13.47 | Diazepam | troubled - thanks |
| 12:13.54 | troubled | simonrvn: endless root bounce loop? |
| 12:13.59 | simonrvn | i use less +F |
| 12:14.11 | simonrvn | nah, just paranoid |
| 12:14.13 | troubled | whats +F do? auto follow when rotatelogs fires? |
| 12:14.20 | VivekVC | Can some one guide me as to how i should report a broken link. The link is http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html |
| 12:14.36 | simonrvn | +F is a la tail -f |
| 12:14.48 | troubled | ahhh cool |
| 12:14.55 | VivekVC | I am not able to access the debian reference manual online |
| 12:14.56 | simonrvn | it's like you prssed F while less is open |
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| 12:15.03 | troubled | what about when log changes? it follow as well? |
| 12:15.16 | simonrvn | i've found in some cases it does |
| 12:15.18 | troubled | i know with tail I had to add extra --option for it to reload |
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| 12:15.25 | troubled | been a hwile though |
| 12:16.00 | troubled | VivekVC: look for contact us section on site? or worst case email: webmaster@debian.org |
| 12:16.02 | simonrvn | and, less surprisingly uses less mem than tail does, and you can do ^c to search through it. it fricking r0x |
| 12:16.32 | simonrvn | Waiting for data... (interrupt to abort) |
| 12:16.35 | troubled | simonrvn: ya, its amazing how much stuff something like less does these days |
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| 12:17.03 | troubled | simonrvn: probably is reading through 8000 command switches to find out whats useful every week to learn something new hehe |
| 12:17.14 | troubled | s/probably/problem/ |
| 12:17.34 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:17.49 | troubled | i mean, first timeyou read a man page its ually for one thing |
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| 12:18.13 | troubled | ie: you ignore the other dosen commands and usually never look back to man pages for the simple everyday commands |
| 12:18.36 | troubled | hell, for all I know, bash can make coffee and bind to port 80 and server web pages lol |
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| 12:19.29 | Diazepam | troubled - got this error -> SMTP error from remote mail server after MAIL FROM: <trent@dragonfly>... address incomplete |
| 12:19.31 | troubled | ....OMG! bash can! lol (j/k) |
| 12:19.39 | simonrvn | some people have done just that, bind to poer 80 |
| 12:19.44 | simonrvn | port* |
| 12:19.50 | simonrvn | er, made bash do that |
| 12:20.07 | troubled | Diazepam: so you know, you should keep that info to yourself since this channel is logged and available via google |
| 12:20.29 | petemc | who logs this channel? |
| 12:20.31 | troubled | Diazepam: you forgot the .com |
| 12:20.32 | Diazepam | dragonfly is the localhostname |
| 12:20.38 | tralala | Diazepam: you're expected to have an actuall domain name - like dragonfly.org |
| 12:20.45 | troubled | Diazepam: ah sory, misread |
| 12:21.24 | tralala | Diazepam: does it work with user@localhost? |
| 12:21.33 | troubled | Diazepam: i think your gonna have to edit the /etc/aliases file or whatever exim4 uses and put it the real email address for the local user trent account |
| 12:21.40 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah i think you are right though - i think i may have to change the 'Hide Header |
| 12:21.45 | troubled | Diazepam: ask simonrvn, he should have that info handy |
| 12:22.21 | troubled | Diazepam: no, the smarthost needs a valid from address. it should match your isp's info or it might think its spam |
| 12:22.22 | Diazepam | so if the real address is trent@bigpond.com (not that it is) then that needs to go into the header or into the alias? |
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| 12:22.33 | Guerin | sure it isn't |
| 12:22.40 | troubled | Diazepam: sec, wanna check something |
| 12:22.42 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah that makes sense |
| 12:22.45 | petemc | exim -bP qualify_domain |
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| 12:23.30 | Diazepam | troubled - that would also explain why the machine i built at home would send emails here but stoped sending them when it was plugged into my mades house (different ISP's) and thought the sender was spam! |
| 12:24.10 | troubled | Diazepam: well, probably would be that the email it got needs to exist or else it wouldnt know who to send errors to if it bounces later |
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| 12:24.45 | troubled | damn it simonrvn, whats the name of the file in /etc/ that exim uses to store email address -> local account mappings? |
| 12:25.01 | simonrvn | Diazepam: some isps don't allow mail being sent from their customers' machines |
| 12:25.07 | simonrvn | you got it |
| 12:25.18 | troubled | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:25.55 | troubled | Diazepam: edit /etc/email-address, add something like: jdoe: jdoe@bigpond.com |
| 12:26.11 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:26.17 | simonrvn | plural though |
| 12:26.20 | troubled | Diazepam: i think that tells exim that when jdoe send email, it should appear to be from jdoe@bigpond instead of localhost |
| 12:26.22 | Diazepam | ahh okay so i change that to a valid email address from my ISP |
| 12:26.31 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:26.38 | Diazepam | so |
| 12:26.39 | troubled | Diazepam: ya, i think that will kludge fix your issue |
| 12:26.45 | simonrvn | email-addresses │ 312│jui 24 2003 |
| 12:26.46 | troubled | (sorry, been a while) |
| 12:26.50 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:26.55 | Diazepam | trent: trent@bigpond.com |
| 12:27.12 | troubled | Diazepam: i think that should do it...test her out and see what chokes it up next |
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| 12:27.15 | simonrvn | careful what you paste in here guy |
| 12:27.26 | troubled | that was doctored already hehe |
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| 12:28.53 | Diazepam | simonrvn - im not using bigpond (just using it as a generic exampleP |
| 12:28.54 | simonrvn | :) |
| 12:28.54 | troubled | Diazepam: use example.com for future :) |
| 12:28.54 | ra1 | i need 2 take 600 GB of data backup to other compute which is the best tool available on linux which use very less resource |
| 12:28.54 | troubled | hell, just being in here without a masked ip is dangerous lol |
| 12:28.54 | simonrvn | ra1: be more specific please |
| 12:28.55 | troubled | ra1: tar is nice, preserves file perms etc |
| 12:29.10 | simonrvn | ra1: simple rule of thumb: KISS |
| 12:29.13 | troubled | ra1: you also wanna pipe that through `split` to make it less than say 2gig |
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| 12:29.18 | simonrvn | !kiss |
| 12:29.18 | dpkg | rumour has it, kiss is Keep It Simple Stupid!!! |
| 12:29.45 | ra1 | i need 2 take 600 GB of data backup to other computer on network and update daily |
| 12:29.53 | troubled | ra1: curious, how you plan on transporting? cause i doubt you can make a 600gb tar on the system if you dont have room :) |
| 12:30.33 | ra1 | cool dude troubled |
| 12:30.43 | troubled | ra1: you may wish to read up on tar and incremental files as well to avoid rebacking up same 600gb each day |
| 12:31.24 | troubled | ra1: also, when you tar cvf test.tar /somedir | split --options, you gotta cat *.tar.* | tar tvf - to get it back |
| 12:31.29 | ra1 | so which one u suggest |
| 12:31.29 | simonrvn | there's several bavkup utils in debian. having a plan and using it consistently is the best |
| 12:31.34 | simonrvn | backup* |
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| 12:32.20 | troubled | ra1: i only said use one thing (tar). split is so that you dont run into limits for too big a file |
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| 12:32.35 | CSWookie | Hey folks, anybody had difficulties with the python-imaging package? I installed it, and when I tried to run program that uses it I got raise ImportError("The _imaging C module is not installed"). |
| 12:32.42 | simonrvn | /etc/gateways │ 97│nov 18 2001 |
| 12:32.44 | ra1 | it is not a file it a directory structure |
| 12:32.47 | troubled | ra1: i think the kernel will create a 600gb tar if you asked it, but you may have problems reading it back or at all with some utils |
| 12:32.58 | ra1 | i dont what |
| 12:33.05 | troubled | simonrvn: lol, been a few years there :) |
| 12:33.12 | VivekVC | troubled: ok |
| 12:33.16 | VivekVC | laters |
| 12:33.19 | ra1 | i need some think like rsync |
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| 12:34.02 | ra1 | troubled: not rsync memory usage is heavy |
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| 12:34.38 | troubled | ra1: ah, so your up on stuff, but your looking for the "ultimate, redundant, perfect solution" :) |
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| 12:34.58 | ra1 | ya |
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| 12:35.08 | signuts | dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=$((1024 * 1024 * 6)) | gzip - > 6gigs!.gz |
| 12:35.09 | troubled | ra1: i seem to recall something better than rsynce for the reasons you mentioned |
| 12:35.41 | troubled | ra1: it wasnt cvs. subversion maybe? |
| 12:35.58 | ra1 | no troubled |
| 12:36.04 | troubled | ra1: mind you im not sure what subv is like or how it handles binary blobs |
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| 12:36.41 | troubled | damn it, this gonna bug me now. i remember updating source for something, they didnt use rsync but something else |
| 12:36.45 | Diazepam | it worked! |
| 12:36.47 | ra1 | it's basically directory structure that all not more than that troubled |
| 12:36.49 | Diazepam | Seriously guys - thank you very much for your time. You ask questions in IRC and most times people just blow you off with "just google it" or tell you to "man it", but you guys have been nothing short of fantastic |
| 12:36.50 | troubled | Diazepam: gratz |
| 12:37.09 | troubled | ra1: so you just need the structure and not the data |
| 12:37.11 | troubled | ? |
| 12:37.20 | signuts | IRC conversations take art :) |
| 12:37.27 | ra1 | all thinks troubled |
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| 12:37.34 | troubled | Diazepam: its cause most people dont wanna hang around for a few hours and commit to helping you :) |
| 12:38.11 | murokki | why there are only nvidia-legacy drivers in repos? o.O |
| 12:38.17 | troubled | ra1: this second copy, is it meant to be "offline" and used only to restore? or is it meant to be online and accessable in event of failure? |
| 12:38.17 | Diazepam | troubled - i know that - its a big ask, but if i ever have the opportunity to help someone I will make sure I remember this and take the time out |
| 12:38.20 | murokki | what about the "newest" |
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| 12:38.40 | troubled | Diazepam: thats the same ball and chain that keeps me going for hours on end :) give and take here hehe |
| 12:38.52 | troubled | Diazepam: i have my spoon feed nights myself lol |
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| 12:39.56 | troubled | FEED ME! |
| 12:40.20 | simonrvn | eeew |
| 12:41.03 | troubled | Diazepam: you may wish to also test your local mail setups, ie: test a crontab or something that sends mail to local account to make sure things dont break! also double sure to test root mails go somewhere and not /dev/null :) |
| 12:41.24 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah i needed a spoon feed - after 3 days i needed direction |
| 12:41.43 | simonrvn | nice to see a patient person |
| 12:41.51 | simonrvn | wow, 3 days |
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| 12:42.17 | troubled | Diazepam: well, one thing ive learned is that theres 1000 ways to do the same thing. It helps sometimes to so different ways others have solved the problems you have. sometimes you actually learn easier/faster ways to get things done |
| 12:42.32 | Diazepam | simonrvn - im studying LPI 102 at the momement so im trying to only ask for help when i get really stuck |
| 12:42.46 | Diazepam | troubled - yeah |
| 12:42.47 | troubled | LPI? |
| 12:43.22 | simonrvn | yeh, i do that too. ask a question when i'm totally stumped. |
| 12:43.47 | simonrvn | most of the time i manage to plow through it like a mack truck through a brick wall |
| 12:43.58 | Dan01 | does anyone here know what excatly i need to have compiled in the kernel for a dam usb keybored to work? |
| 12:44.20 | simonrvn | usbhid helps =) |
| 12:44.25 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 12:44.26 | Dan01 | ok |
| 12:44.33 | Dan01 | i'll look for that aswell :> |
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| 12:45.16 | troubled | heh |
| 12:45.33 | Dan01 | that would be in the drivers section of menuconfig? |
| 12:45.54 | simonrvn | the right host driver too. anything else... mousedev and kbddev driver maybe, and probably a couple of others, depending |
| 12:45.59 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:46.06 | troubled | lart on anyone who have all versions of the kernel menu structure memorized! |
| 12:46.07 | liable | Dan01: whilst in menuconfig hit / and enter search key |
| 12:46.09 | Dan01 | ok |
| 12:46.26 | troubled | liable: ?!?! you can search in menuconfig?! |
| 12:46.30 | simonrvn | yes |
| 12:46.31 | troubled | fsck /dev/me! |
| 12:46.37 | liable | troubled: yerp |
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| 12:46.42 | simonrvn | heheh, i like that one |
| 12:46.47 | troubled | i knew you could in less, but menuconfig! all these years lol |
| 12:46.51 | troubled | simonrvn: ty :) |
| 12:47.08 | troubled | dpkg: fsck is also fsck /dev/me |
| 12:47.08 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/is also fsck /dev/me : warning! filesystem contains dickheads! |
| 12:47.20 | troubled | bah |
| 12:47.25 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 12:47.27 | troubled | one of those days hehe |
| 12:47.27 | liable | haha!! |
| 12:47.48 | syntaxx | is there any other image viewer like pornview? |
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| 12:48.04 | troubled | syntaxx: lol, i like you already |
| 12:48.22 | troubled | see, theres someone taking full advantage of the redundancy that tcp/ip provides us! |
| 12:48.33 | PDani | if i have two zyxel router with vpn, is it possible to join the two subnet of the two router through vpn |
| 12:48.35 | Eulex | syntaxx, gqview? |
| 12:48.42 | blondie | !tell root1 about root |
| 12:48.44 | liable | syntaxx: lots, its a pain to find them all though. i personally seem to come back to gqview |
| 12:48.53 | syntaxx | troubled, huh? |
| 12:48.59 | syntaxx | thanks Eulex and liable |
| 12:49.03 | troubled | syntaxx: nm, poor attempt to be witty |
| 12:49.04 | syntaxx | pornview hangs |
| 12:49.20 | troubled | pornview is actually a program? lol |
| 12:49.21 | Dan01 | i can't see usbhid |
| 12:49.22 | Dan01 | lol |
| 12:49.24 | simonrvn | aaah |
| 12:49.27 | Eulex | !pornview |
| 12:49.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, pornview is an awesome porn viewer!, or good for non-porno image libraries. Just ignore the icon. |
| 12:49.29 | syntaxx | troubled, yes |
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| 12:49.38 | simonrvn | !fsck troubled |
| 12:49.38 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/troubled : warning! filesystem contains dumbasses! |
| 12:49.40 | troubled | what has the world come to |
| 12:49.50 | Eulex | may not fit in a coorporate environment :) |
| 12:49.52 | troubled | simonrvn: hey! thats not right! |
| 12:50.00 | simonrvn | !fsck me |
| 12:50.01 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/simonrvn : warning! filesystem contains idiots! |
| 12:50.24 | SpComb | !fsck null |
| 12:50.24 | dpkg | e2fsck /dev/null : warning! filesystem contains morons! |
| 12:50.25 | troubled | well, that explains why it failed to learn it, builtin func()? |
| 12:50.33 | simonrvn | factoid |
| 12:50.37 | troubled | thats the word |
| 12:51.09 | Bushmills | if a package installs a script into /etc/cron.[daily|weekly|monthly], and later, after updating the package, an updated script goes here, as package.dpkg-old. now both scripts have execution privs, and will both be executed in that cron event. isn't that stupid? |
| 12:51.21 | Bushmills | it may make more sense to remove the execute bit from the obsolete script, to prevent its execution |
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| 12:51.35 | Bushmills | i just noticed, after upgrading ntp-server |
| 12:51.37 | ivan` | hi - anyone have a problem with svn commits after upgrading unstable? |
| 12:51.38 | simonrvn | does it really? |
| 12:51.40 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:51.49 | troubled | Bushmills: i think your supposed to manually intervien when you get .old stuff |
| 12:51.56 | simonrvn | so rm it or something |
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| 12:51.59 | Eulex | troubled, command |
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| 12:52.03 | troubled | Bushmills: but check if the .old is +x |
| 12:52.39 | Bushmills | troubled: it is, for sure. and i did remove it. jsut didn't know that it was required to delete these files by hand |
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| 12:52.54 | simonrvn | no, you're supposed to look at them first |
| 12:53.03 | simonrvn | !tell guavo about root |
| 12:53.11 | Eulex | !literal CMD: -l (.*?) |
| 12:53.11 | dpkg | "cmd: -l (.*?)" is "($1): <reply> (ii $1 (1|2|3).(1|2|3|4|5|6|7|8|9)-(|1)(1|2|3|4|5)(|||.1|.2|.3) ($nick's private (porn|gamp|stamp) collection|ultra s3kr1t #debian package)|No packages found matching $1)" |
| 12:53.12 | troubled | Bushmills: pretty sure that happens anytime a package file marked as a config file gets replaced and the old one has changed |
| 12:53.16 | waspius | where are the fonts located? |
| 12:53.22 | waspius | i have found so many dir but cannot find one which has them all in |
| 12:53.31 | troubled | Eulex: ahh !literal, was looking for that earlier |
| 12:53.31 | simonrvn | which fonts? |
| 12:53.41 | Eulex | waspius, no dir contains all fonts. |
| 12:53.42 | troubled | gamp! lol old times |
| 12:53.51 | simonrvn | !gamp |
| 12:53.51 | dpkg | Gay Asian Midget Pr0n! |
| 12:53.51 | Bushmills | simonrvn: it even didn't tell me that it replaced them. ok. it asks for the /etc/ntp.conf, whether i want to keep or replace. but not for /etc/cron.daily ... |
| 12:54.00 | troubled | who made that again? |
| 12:54.11 | simonrvn | !facinfo gamp |
| 12:54.13 | troubled | i forget who that was. wasnt peters was it? |
| 12:54.14 | simonrvn | !factinfo gamp |
| 12:54.14 | dpkg | gamp -- created by Penix <~eggdrop@ipv6-penix.tsps1.freenet6.net> at Tue Dec 17 16:32:54 2002 (1346 days); last modified at Tue Jan 21 15:20:38 2003 by Penix!~eggdrop@dialup-34.222.220.203.acc01-gord-pmq.comindico.com.au; it has been requested 70 times, last by simonrvn, 23s ago. |
| 12:54.14 | waspius | Eulex: so where can i find them? |
| 12:54.18 | troubled | penix! |
| 12:54.28 | troubled | lol old schooler |
| 12:54.31 | waspius | Eulex: i need to configure mplayer to play my subtitles |
| 12:54.33 | Bushmills | simonrvn: so, how does one find out? should it be necessary to look into /etc/cron.* after installing any package? |
| 12:54.43 | waspius | cause all i see is ./?@#$ |
| 12:54.45 | Bushmills | just on the chance that a new cron script has been installed? |
| 12:54.52 | simonrvn | just pay attention when you install stuff |
| 12:54.58 | simonrvn | or update. whatever |
| 12:55.20 | Eulex | waspius, /usr/share/fonts |
| 12:55.22 | troubled | Bushmills: use find to locate anything .old or whatever extension and go through /etc |
| 12:55.37 | Bushmills | troubled: dpkg -L may be better here |
| 12:55.51 | troubled | Bushmills: dpkg wont list old files |
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| 12:55.59 | simonrvn | anything marked conffile will egt that treatment |
| 12:56.02 | simonrvn | get |
| 12:56.04 | troubled | Bushmills: it does create them though as youve noticed |
| 12:56.27 | Bushmills | ok, won't list *.old, true. but it lists new ones |
| 12:56.32 | angelo1312 | hi |
| 12:56.42 | Bushmills | and by that one can derive that the existing ones may be renamed |
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| 12:56.47 | angelo1312 | do you read me? |
| 12:56.53 | troubled | simonrvn: well, maybe ill hang til i cancel the modem. until then, cya next time |
| 12:56.54 | waspius | Eulex: yeah i have seen that but it does not have them all. |
| 12:56.59 | Bushmills | instead of deleted. because one has to do that by hand, evidently |
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| 12:57.09 | angelo1312 | please, do you read me? |
| 12:57.33 | Bushmills | angelo, say "pretty please" :) |
| 12:57.43 | angelo1312 | :) |
| 12:57.44 | troubled | Bushmills: ya, unless you dont upgrade the file, then then I think it still may create a file of the changes that didnt get put into effect. cant remember |
| 12:57.56 | troubled | Bushmills: its usually something that doesnt happen often |
| 12:58.06 | troubled | afk |
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| 12:58.41 | angelo1312 | I have a trouble.. after updating Xorg on debian unstable my X server doesn't start anymore :( |
| 12:58.42 | Bushmills | troubled: having x bit removed by the installer script may be little effort, and would fix this problem to some extgend |
| 12:58.44 | Bushmills | extend |
| 12:58.47 | simonrvn | it will never delete a file. and it'll ask before replacing one you've modified |
| 12:58.58 | simonrvn | extent |
| 12:59.20 | Bushmills | fix, as in "not requiring immediate manual intervention" |
| 12:59.34 | angelo1312 | someone had my same trouble? |
| 13:00.01 | angelo1312 | (pretty please) |
| 13:00.03 | Bushmills | angelo1312: look at X log file |
| 13:00.04 | liable | angelo1312: we read you, over |
| 13:00.27 | angelo1312 | I have read, and I have googled |
| 13:00.34 | Bushmills | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:00.35 | Eulex | waspius, it should |
| 13:00.43 | liable | angelo1312: run update and upgrade again |
| 13:01.15 | angelo1312 | I try liable.. |
| 13:01.17 | liable | angelo1312: xorg was slightly borken yesterday |
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| 13:01.35 | angelo1312 | ah.. now is ok? |
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| 13:02.12 | liable | heh, for most, yes :) |
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| 13:02.24 | waspius | Eulex: do the fonts you add go there? |
| 13:03.08 | angelo1312 | I am upgrading xserver-xorg-core now.. |
| 13:03.25 | liable | angelo1312: that should fix it |
| 13:03.28 | troubled | Bushmills: perhaps its considered a packging bug. not sure what it falls under really |
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| 13:03.48 | angelo1312 | I have upgraded the proprietary driver too |
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| 13:04.36 | comflex | Hi. I have some network related questions, not sure where to ask - is there a network help channel here on freenode? |
| 13:04.41 | Bushmills | troubled: i think so too |
| 13:05.06 | azeem | comflex: what kind of network related questions |
| 13:05.07 | azeem | ? |
| 13:05.08 | Bushmills | but, not sure where is the power to chmod scripts |
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| 13:05.19 | Bushmills | during install, i mean |
| 13:05.21 | comflex | Some netmask/subnet/dhcp related stuff |
| 13:05.35 | liran_ | comflex: well there's #networking but feel free to ask here |
| 13:05.46 | abrotman | if it's debian related |
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| 13:06.22 | angelo1312 | boken? |
| 13:06.23 | troubled | Bushmills: well, im not a packager, but I know there are post-inst and upgrade scripts that fire when you install something. But moving the conf file im pretty sure is all done automagicaly by dpkg |
| 13:07.00 | troubled | Bushmills: im sure they could correct the behaviour though through a installer script kludge |
| 13:07.50 | troubled | anyone package stuff here on a regular basis able to answer this? |
| 13:09.01 | troubled | when dpkg creates a .old file for a conffile in a package, is dpkg able to make sure something like an old script is made -x to prevent undesirable behaviour? |
| 13:09.06 | azeem | Bushmills: why do you need to chmod scripts? |
| 13:09.30 | azeem | troubled: conffiles shouldn't get executed anyway |
| 13:09.44 | troubled | azeem: his example was that he edited a conffile and it was left copied as .old in the /etc/cron dirs and was double fireing |
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| 13:10.24 | azeem | that sounds like a bug in the package, maybe |
| 13:10.26 | azeem | not sure |
| 13:10.31 | troubled | azeem: well, im assuming that the script in cron.daily or whatever was marked as a conffile, i dont know what policy dictates though |
| 13:10.39 | azeem | you should take extra care if you put stuff into *.d directories I guess |
| 13:10.53 | troubled | azeem: thats what were trying to get to the bottom of |
| 13:10.55 | Bushmills | azeem,. to keep them from getting executed, after having been obsoleted (but not deleted) upon package upgrade. this related to scripts in /etc/cron.daily |
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| 13:11.39 | troubled | Bushmills: which package was this for anyways? |
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| 13:11.40 | Bushmills | oh sorry, troubled took care of that already. |
| 13:11.46 | troubled | i did? |
| 13:11.49 | Bushmills | troubled, this was ntp-server |
| 13:11.53 | Bushmills | ntp it is now |
| 13:12.07 | troubled | ya, i had upgrade happen too other day in etch, i should check same |
| 13:12.09 | troubled | sec |
| 13:12.16 | Bushmills | care of explaining to azeem |
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| 13:13.10 | troubled | ahh k |
| 13:13.20 | troubled | ya, the cron file is marks as a conffile |
| 13:13.46 | troubled | ya, that may be considered a bug |
| 13:13.52 | troubled | i have it as well |
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| 13:14.17 | troubled | but the dpkg-old file was from the old ntp-server package |
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| 13:14.49 | troubled | but the new one is just ntp. still is +x though |
| 13:14.49 | Bushmills | yes, indeed |
| 13:14.49 | Bushmills | both are |
| 13:14.52 | Bushmills | thus, both are executed |
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| 13:15.58 | troubled | i would honestly file a bug against ntp and possibly ntp-server as well |
| 13:16.07 | Zaib | guys how to patch debian kernel if i compiled kernel 2.6.17 now i need to patch will all current security patches |
| 13:16.26 | Zaib | will = with |
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| 13:17.14 | jv | I'm trying to install latest testing on dualcore amd64 and as soon as the hardware detection completes, the computer simply shuts down, what could i try? |
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| 13:17.54 | angelo1312 | module ABI minor version (3) is newer than the server's version (2) |
| 13:18.00 | liable | Zaib: what security patches? |
| 13:18.07 | angelo1312 | fglrx: Failed to load module "fglrxdrm" (module requirement mismatch, 0) |
| 13:18.21 | troubled | jv: it shuts off completly? or reboots? |
| 13:18.24 | azeem | angelo1312: what version does dpkg -l xserver-xorg-core say? |
| 13:19.03 | angelo1312 | xserver-xorg-c 1.0.2-10 |
| 13:19.10 | Zaib | patches listed on www.kernel.org as patch-2.6.17.N.tar.gz so on .. N= 1,2,3,4,.... |
| 13:19.24 | Zaib | liable:patches listed on www.kernel.org as patch-2.6.17.N.tar.gz so on .. N= 1,2,3,4,.... |
| 13:19.33 | azeem | angelo1312: where do you have fglrx from? |
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| 13:19.36 | jv | troubled: shuts down |
| 13:19.40 | troubled | jv: im only asking cause i think acpi handles that kinda behaviour and i know the installers usually have an option to disable acpi during install. Might be to fix problems like that. Just a thought, no idea if that helps (havent tried 64bit stuff either) |
| 13:19.54 | jv | troubled: i tried to disable acpi, still the same |
| 13:19.57 | angelo1312 | where do you have fglrx from? |
| 13:20.04 | jv | troubled: also tried 32bit install, same result |
| 13:20.07 | abrotman | jv: you mean beta3 of the etch installer ? |
| 13:20.12 | jv | abrotman: yes |
| 13:20.19 | jv | abrotman: should i try something 'older' ? |
| 13:20.20 | Zaib | liable: patches listed on www.kernel.org as patch-2.6.17.N.tar.gz so on .. N= 1,2,3,4,.... |
| 13:20.21 | angelo1312 | where do you have fglrx from? |
| 13:20.22 | liable | Zaib: i believe kernel.org has a link to a howto on applying those patches. |
| 13:20.24 | azeem | angelo1312: I don't have fglrx |
| 13:20.29 | abrotman | jv: there also daily builds .. you could also ask #debian-boot in irc.oftc.net |
| 13:20.38 | liable | Zaib: they are not neccessarily security patches.. |
| 13:20.55 | Zaib | liable: ahan .. yeah u r right my mistake might be ... |
| 13:21.00 | jv | abrotman: i used the daily build in fact |
| 13:21.05 | jv | abrotman: but i'll ask there, thanks |
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| 13:21.24 | angelo1312 | where do you have fglrx from? |
| 13:21.36 | Zaib | liable: i read it some where that it must be in the order ... can u tell me order is asending or decending ? |
| 13:21.51 | liable | Zaib: ascending from your current kernel |
| 13:22.02 | angelo1312 | where do you have fglrx from? |
| 13:22.09 | liable | angelo1312: stop that |
| 13:22.11 | azeem | angelo1312: stop repeating |
| 13:22.24 | cydork | !fglrx |
| 13:22.24 | dpkg | rumour has it, fglrx is add 'contrib non-free' to the end of a sources.list line; aptitude install fglrx-driver fglrx-control fglrx-kernel-src module-assistant; then use module-assistant to create a binary drm module (fglrx-kernel-xyz), or but it's in sid only, not in etch |
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| 13:22.58 | Zaib | liable: thanks alot . |
| 13:22.59 | cydork | angelo1312, ^^ |
| 13:23.33 | liable | Zaib: np |
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| 13:26.07 | Dan01 | on the keybored device drivers it has a load of keyboreds i don't have all i have it a usb standard keybored anyone know what that would be under? |
| 13:26.30 | Dan01 | i have recompiled the kernel 4 times now with different settings trying to get this keybored to work :| |
| 13:26.55 | liable | Dan01: why do you not use a debian kernel? |
| 13:26.59 | Dan01 | also i searched for kbdev and hat wasn't found |
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| 13:27.24 | Dan01 | i'm using the source kernel |
| 13:27.41 | liable | why? |
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| 13:28.21 | cydork | Dan01, it's should work with stock (debian) kernel |
| 13:28.26 | Dan01 | i need to select 1000hz on it |
| 13:29.00 | Zaib | home is it possible to make a debian server that will put each newly connected client into a its own defined VLAN ? gime some hints ? |
| 13:29.03 | Dan01 | if i don't build it and just get the prebuilt one via apt i won't be able to select it |
| 13:29.13 | troubled | Dan01: perhaps installed something like discover might help find the module you need? |
| 13:29.16 | Zaib | guyz is it possible to make a debian server that will put each newly connected client into a its own defined VLAN ? gime some hints ? |
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| 13:29.54 | Zaib | should i hv to make a VLAN SERVER ? |
| 13:30.19 | e-type | Zaib: I'd ask my questions a little faster ;) |
| 13:30.23 | cydork | Dan01, can you elaborate. |
| 13:30.27 | Dan01 | ok |
| 13:31.03 | Zaib | e-type: didnt get u ? |
| 13:31.06 | Dan01 | i want to select my kernels HZ so i have put it to 1000 i got the kernel from kernel.org its 2.6.17.2 |
| 13:31.12 | lhds | how many bot are there inhere? |
| 13:31.24 | lhds | etype well you seem everywhere |
| 13:31.36 | lhds | you are running on debian? |
| 13:31.40 | Dan01 | i have built it fine but is lackign support for my usb keybord |
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| 13:31.50 | e-type | Zaib: was being sarcastic for saying this: "it's bad form to ask yr questions a zillion times if noone answers, and no answer will get faster to you" ;) |
| 13:31.57 | Dan01 | usb support is installed but i am missing something |
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| 13:33.08 | Zaib | e-type: actually i didnt ask it faster.. i made a mistake in a question to i correct it and re-post it .. dats why u got this idea dat i m doing it faster i guess ;) |
| 13:33.13 | abrotman | usbhid ? |
| 13:33.36 | Dan01 | thats under device drivers for usb right? |
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| 13:33.49 | e-type | Zaib: hehe |
| 13:33.53 | abrotman | you tell me .. or ask #kernel |
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| 13:34.10 | liable | !dict dat |
| 13:34.12 | dpkg | Dictionary 'dat' (3): 1. Digital Audio Tape. ;; an audiotape recording of sound [syn: {digital audiotape}] ;; 150 1 definitions retrieved 151 "dat" foldoc "The Free On-line Dictionary of Computing (27 SEP 03)" DAT. |
| 13:34.19 | Flash_ | -!- Premium content | |
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| 13:36.34 | troubled | Dan01: you there? |
| 13:36.39 | Dan01 | yup |
| 13:37.04 | troubled | Dan01: did you compile what you believe to be keyboard into kernel or as mod? |
| 13:37.14 | troubled | Dan01: all, you have discover and hotplug installed? |
| 13:37.30 | Dan01 | i have hotplug installed i have seen that come up |
| 13:37.35 | troubled | Dan01: im not big on usb usage in linux these days, but I know they seem to help get things to normal |
| 13:37.44 | Dan01 | i put usb into the kernel as [*] built in |
| 13:38.03 | cydork | Dan01, hey just a query cant you get a stock kernel and change 1000 HZ in that?? |
| 13:38.08 | abrotman | Dan01: why didn't you start with the debian config? |
| 13:38.11 | troubled | Dan01: dmesg show it on startup? any complaints? it show up under /proc? etc |
| 13:38.55 | Dan01 | i did start with the deb config |
| 13:38.59 | Dan01 | the old kernel config |
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| 13:39.55 | mIRC-Melody | !dict kernel |
| 13:39.57 | Flash_ | -!- Premium content | |
| 13:39.58 | dpkg | Dictionary 'kernel' (1 of 12): ' A were as good crack a fusty nut with no kernel --Shak.. |
| 13:40.05 | troubled | Dan01: while the system is running, did you try unplug and replug the keyboard? |
| 13:40.06 | abrotman | Flash_: turn that off |
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| 13:40.10 | mIRC-Melody | !kernel |
| 13:40.12 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.11, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc4-git1, 2.4: 2.4.33.2, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc4-mm2 |
| 13:40.17 | mIRC-Melody | dammit |
| 13:40.19 | Dan01 | yeah nothing happens |
| 13:40.20 | mIRC-Melody | !kernel |
| 13:40.22 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.11, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc4-git1, 2.4: 2.4.33.2, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc4-mm2 |
| 13:40.23 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: wtf are you looking for? |
| 13:40.29 | mIRC-Melody | definition of kernel |
| 13:40.35 | abrotman | try wikipedia |
| 13:40.37 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: try wiki |
| 13:40.39 | mIRC-Melody | what is that |
| 13:40.44 | azeem | mIRC-Melody: also try to /msg dpkg |
| 13:40.45 | troubled | err wikipedia |
| 13:40.48 | azeem | it works just as well |
| 13:40.54 | mIRC-Melody | ok |
| 13:40.54 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel |
| 13:40.58 | mIRC-Melody | ty |
| 13:41.14 | troubled | abrotman: bah, beat me to it as usual :) howdy |
| 13:41.22 | abrotman | azeem: Flash_ is responding to !dict <blah> |
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| 13:41.28 | abrotman | troubled: hi |
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| 13:42.08 | mIRC-Melody | !program dpkg [definition for kernel] The kernel is the central part in most computer operating systems which manages the system's resources and the communication between hardware and software components. |
| 13:42.08 | dpkg | mIRC-Melody: that's too long |
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| 13:42.27 | mIRC-Melody | !program dpkg [kernel] The kernel is the central part in most computer operating systems which manages the system's resources and the communication between hardware and software components. |
| 13:42.27 | dpkg | mIRC-Melody: okay |
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| 13:42.40 | mIRC-Melody | !dict kernel |
| 13:42.43 | Flash_ | -!- Premium content | |
| 13:42.43 | dpkg | Dictionary 'kernel' (2 of 12): the choicest or most essential or most vital part of some idea or experience; "the gist of the prosecutor's argument"; "the heart and soul of the Republican Party"; "the nub of the story" ;; 3. A small mass around which other matter is concreted; a nucleus; a concretion or hard lump in the flesh.. |
| 13:42.49 | troubled | Flash_: !! |
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| 13:43.11 | troubled | i called that one heh |
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| 13:43.12 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@81.168.91.38] by azeem |
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| 13:43.41 | mIRC-Melody | oh my... i just flooded dpkg off by accident!!!! |
| 13:43.57 | mIRC-Melody | LOL!!!!!!!! |
| 13:44.08 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: stop fucking with the bot |
| 13:44.35 | mIRC-Melody | sorry i just wanted to find the 12th definition it has of "kernel" |
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| 13:44.41 | dhuv | hello all |
| 13:44.42 | troubled | i thought dpkg was setup to avoid flooding itself offline |
| 13:44.44 | azeem | mIRC-Melody: use google |
| 13:44.47 | abrotman | use a damn dictionary ... try dictionary.com |
| 13:44.59 | azeem | &hi |
| 13:45.02 | azeem | @hi |
| 13:45.07 | ravenbird | Many greetings, azeem, most strange traveller, to this IRCdom of plenty. |
| 13:45.07 | azeem | %hi |
| 13:45.08 | abrotman | ~hi |
| 13:45.17 | apt | hello, abrotman |
| 13:45.17 | azeem | great. |
| 13:45.17 | mIRC-Melody | who can bring dkpg back online? |
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| 13:45.17 | abrotman | ^hi |
| 13:45.20 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: noone .. it's gone forever |
| 13:45.21 | andagurks | :O |
| 13:45.29 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: pretty sure he comes back by itself |
| 13:45.33 | mIRC-Melody | cool |
| 13:45.35 | signuts | mIRC-Melody, i'm sure it'll happen after yo'ure gone since you'r like windows 96, you don't play nicely |
| 13:45.46 | tralala | Is somebody molesting the bots? |
| 13:45.52 | mIRC-Melody | sorry guys i didn't mean to flood the bot offline |
| 13:45.53 | troubled | mIRC-Melody: dpkg is kinda like an eggdrop really |
| 13:45.54 | abrotman | not anymore .. they're all dead |
| 13:45.56 | mIRC-Melody | it was an accident |
| 13:46.00 | abrotman | troubled: blootbot |
| 13:46.07 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: do you have a debian question? |
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| 13:46.12 | troubled | abrotman: thanks for specifics :) |
| 13:46.17 | dhuv | what is the best way to allow only specific users via ssh? |
| 13:46.22 | mIRC-Melody | yes abrotman i need dpkg's 13th definition of kernel |
| 13:46.24 | abrotman | dhuv: man sshd_config |
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| 13:46.26 | troubled | abrotman: note "kinda like".... :) |
| 13:46.29 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: USE A DICTIONARY |
| 13:46.30 | azeem | mIRC-Melody: this is not a Debian question |
| 13:46.32 | signuts | mIRC-Melody, get a freaking life |
| 13:46.42 | mIRC-Melody | sorry guys |
| 13:47.03 | azeem | mIRC-Melody: obviously, dpkg queries an online dictionary for the !dict factoid |
| 13:47.20 | dimka | hi! need help with sshd |
| 13:47.29 | Dan01 | so i have my kernel compiled with usb support i can see that come up at bootup |
| 13:47.41 | abrotman | dimka: just ask |
| 13:47.49 | mIRC-Melody | ok |
| 13:47.51 | Dan01 | did someone say i need to install something else? |
| 13:47.58 | troubled | Dan01: still no luck huh? |
| 13:48.01 | abrotman | usbhid ? |
| 13:48.06 | mIRC-Melody | As most of you know, for me MINIX is a hobby, something that I do in the |
| 13:48.06 | mIRC-Melody | evening when I get bored writing books and there are no major wars, |
| 13:48.06 | mIRC-Melody | revolutions, or senate hearings being televised live on CNN. My real |
| 13:48.06 | mIRC-Melody | job is a professor and researcher in the area of operating systems. |
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| 13:48.13 | mIRC-Melody | sorry again |
| 13:48.17 | Dan01 | the discussion between me and you got intterupted :/ |
| 13:48.19 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: please go away |
| 13:48.23 | dimka | abrotman: i don't know how to kill locked session |
| 13:48.27 | troubled | Dan01: you try install discover yet? |
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| 13:48.50 | abrotman | dimka: kill a locked session? do you know the user ? |
| 13:48.54 | Dan01 | i'll do it now |
| 13:49.00 | troubled | Dan01: you may have one part you need compiled in while the other is still a module |
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| 13:49.02 | mIRC-Melody | Speeds of 200 MIPS and more are likely in the coming years. |
| 13:49.03 | ispirto | hello, i'm getting this error when on postfix, how can i fix it? the error is: postfix: fatal: /etc/postfix/postfix-script: No such file or directory |
| 13:49.03 | abrotman | dimka: or any of the processes? just use kill |
| 13:49.14 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: are you stupid? |
| 13:49.17 | Dan01 | its downloading it now |
| 13:49.21 | troubled | Dan01: if thats the case, discover should hopefully detect this and install the module. then lsmod and see what you missed |
| 13:49.28 | mIRC-Melody | what |
| 13:49.35 | dimka | abrotman: it was me. i suddenly disconnected and now i have 2 sessions |
| 13:49.38 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: do you have a debian-related question ? |
| 13:49.45 | troubled | Dan01: again, not a big usb guru, but i know that and hotplug always seem to fix my woes |
| 13:49.49 | Dan01 | Skipping Module agpgart. It's already loaded. |
| 13:49.49 | Dan01 | Skipping Module piix. It's already loaded. |
| 13:49.49 | Dan01 | Skipping uhci-hcd; assuming it is compiled into the kernel. |
| 13:49.49 | Dan01 | Skipping Module e100. It's already loaded. |
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| 13:49.52 | troubled | eek |
| 13:49.59 | abrotman | dimka: ps -u <username> ... kill the old one |
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| 13:50.02 | Dan01 | sorry |
| 13:50.03 | troubled | forgive him ehhe |
| 13:50.08 | abrotman | !paster |
| 13:50.11 | Dan01 | 4 lines was ok someone said :> |
| 13:50.14 | abrotman | grr .. use pastebin.ca |
| 13:50.21 | abrotman | no .. four is the limit |
| 13:50.21 | troubled | Dan01: anything beyond 1 is bad |
| 13:50.24 | mIRC-Melody | One technical criticism of Debian is that, due to Debian's longer release cycles, the released stable branch can become too old to be useful for some purposes, as it is intended to be an unmoving platform, such as for servers or development, that only receives security updates. TRUE or FALSE? |
| 13:50.25 | Dan01 | o |
| 13:50.25 | dimka | abrotman: ok, thnx |
| 13:50.27 | Dan01 | ok |
| 13:50.43 | troubled | paste to me if you want |
| 13:50.48 | signuts | Someone ban mIRC-Melody please |
| 13:50.53 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: stop trolling |
| 13:50.54 | troubled | im kinda curious what the problem/fix is anyways |
| 13:50.55 | cydork | Dan01, did you enable usb human interface Device in kernel in usb support? |
| 13:50.57 | mIRC-Melody | sorry |
| 13:51.08 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 13:51.12 | Dan01 | this is odd |
| 13:51.45 | abrotman | does USB work at all? |
| 13:51.47 | troubled | cydork: i beleiev earlier he said he took a stock debian config and went from there. cept he compiled in support for one usb section (not sure which specific mods) |
| 13:52.03 | abrotman | Dan01: did you get HIDINPUT ? |
| 13:52.12 | abrotman | and USB_KBD ? |
| 13:52.24 | Dan01 | i'm going to go into make menuconfig again |
| 13:52.31 | cydork | troubled, i think it's enabled in stock kernel, coz i never had any problems :P |
| 13:52.53 | troubled | im guessing he only compiled one of the needed mods in and left others as mods and as such arent being loaded by hotplug for some reason or another |
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| 13:53.16 | Dan01 | i'm goign to load 2.4.27-2-386.config |
| 13:53.21 | Dan01 | into the menuconfig |
| 13:53.27 | Dan01 | for a config file |
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| 13:53.37 | signuts | Dan01, http://rafb.net/paste/results/IUwMl746.html is my USB related kernel .config |
| 13:53.38 | troubled | cydork: i usually avoid usb myself. this machine is only one I use with usb and it always gives me problems so i use a usb->ps2 adaptor and skip the headaches |
| 13:53.43 | Dan01 | ok |
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| 13:54.06 | troubled | uhci and ehci? dont they conflict? |
| 13:54.22 | troubled | anyone clarify that? |
| 13:54.30 | signuts | troubled, I thought one was USB1 and USB2 |
| 13:54.44 | troubled | no, two diff standards iirc |
| 13:54.47 | cydork | troubled, i have too many usb devices (wifi, bluetooth, keyboard, mouse). i cant live without it :) |
| 13:55.15 | signuts | troubled, hmm.. interesting, since this .config was generated by make menuconfig =) |
| 13:55.17 | troubled | on intel based other isnt or something. but not sure if they both might load or not (usb noob) |
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| 13:55.49 | abrotman | troubled: you can't load them both .. but you can compile them both |
| 13:55.52 | troubled | signuts: how many debian configs include usb built in and not as module though? |
| 13:56.04 | signuts | troubled, I build my own |
| 13:56.12 | Dan01 | CONFIG_USB_HID=y in your kernel do you have that selected as [M] or [*] |
| 13:56.13 | abrotman | perhaps Dan01 should ask #kernel ? |
| 13:56.28 | abrotman | it's all M in debian kernels |
| 13:56.34 | troubled | abrotman: my question is if both can be loaded but possibly only one will work "right", what are the odds thats ehci is handling keyboard instead of ohci? |
| 13:56.39 | signuts | Dan01, HID is your mouse support |
| 13:56.44 | abrotman | troubled: only one will work |
| 13:56.44 | Dan01 | ok |
| 13:56.51 | troubled | abrotman: its a slim chance of being prob, but a shot in the dark still |
| 13:56.56 | abrotman | HID is all .. Human Interface |
| 13:57.09 | abrotman | troubled: he should compile all his USB support as modules |
| 13:57.20 | troubled | signuts: hid is keyboard too i believe, thus human interface device |
| 13:57.27 | Dan01 | <M> USB Human Interface Device (full HID) support |
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| 13:57.31 | Dan01 | thats on |
| 13:57.32 | oxygen | hi |
| 13:57.42 | Dan01 | [*] HID input layer support that under the abve |
| 13:57.43 | signuts | troubled, yeah, I only think of it as my mouse |
| 13:57.43 | Dan01 | hi |
| 13:57.44 | troubled | Dan01: but its a modules and rest are compile in |
| 13:57.50 | Dan01 | ah ok |
| 13:58.07 | Dan01 | so if the mani category is a [M] the rest are auto put in? |
| 13:58.08 | abrotman | USB_KBD |
| 13:58.08 | troubled | Dan01: not saying that its the problem, but it would be something i test |
| 13:58.10 | Dan01 | main* |
| 13:58.29 | abrotman | no |
| 13:58.37 | Dan01 | Prompt: USB HIDBP Keyboard (simple Boot) support |
| 13:58.51 | troubled | Dan01: still though, if the module not loading was the problem, then installed discover would have solved it, thats why im not too sure |
| 13:59.01 | Dan01 | ok |
| 13:59.04 | Dan01 | i'll recompile |
| 13:59.09 | Dan01 | adn see |
| 13:59.10 | abrotman | this will fail :) |
| 13:59.11 | Dan01 | and* |
| 13:59.14 | Dan01 | :/ |
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| 13:59.21 | signuts | Dan01, are you building on 2.6.x ? |
| 13:59.31 | Dan01 | 2.6.17.2 |
| 14:00.12 | troubled | !kernel |
| 14:00.12 | abrotman | !bless Dan01 |
| 14:00.13 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child Dan01, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 14:00.14 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.11, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc4, snapshot: 2.6.18-rc4-git1, 2.4: 2.4.33.2, prepatch: 2.4.34-pre1, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc4-mm2 |
| 14:00.24 | Dan01 | ok |
| 14:00.25 | abrotman | dpkg: wb |
| 14:00.25 | dpkg | thanks, abrotman. It's good to be back. |
| 14:00.45 | troubled | curious, 2.6.17.2 isnt the latest, you using a stock debianized kernel source? or pristine source? |
| 14:00.55 | Dan01 | stupid on a spare from kernel.org |
| 14:01.03 | Dan01 | wtf |
| 14:01.13 | Dan01 | from kernel.org |
| 14:01.21 | troubled | Dan01: so your using a non latest pristine from kernel.org? |
| 14:01.31 | Dan01 | not sure |
| 14:01.34 | Dan01 | sorry |
| 14:01.34 | troubled | heh |
| 14:01.41 | abrotman | this really really belongs in #kernel |
| 14:01.46 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 14:01.51 | Dan01 | ok |
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| 14:02.13 | troubled | well, debian kernels and kernel.org kernels differ thats all. but if you use a debian one, you shouldnt need to compile at all really. save yourself some headaches |
| 14:02.22 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 14:02.35 | troubled | Dan01: just suggesting you just install the latest kernel image for debian |
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| 14:02.45 | Dan01 | ok |
| 14:02.49 | signuts | There is no point building your own kernels these days |
| 14:02.49 | ootput | are there a number of packages used when installing from the netinstall cd that don't make their way to /var/cache/apt/archives? |
| 14:02.51 | troubled | Dan01: some utils in debian expect the kernel to be debianized to work as well |
| 14:02.55 | signuts | I do it because i'm a dork who runs patches |
| 14:03.02 | Dan01 | heh |
| 14:03.09 | abrotman | ootput: yes |
| 14:03.10 | troubled | i build my own for the geek factor :) |
| 14:03.25 | ootput | abrotman: is there a listing of thse packages? |
| 14:03.31 | abrotman | dunno |
| 14:03.37 | cydork | signuts, i had to do it before 2.6.16 but now no need :) |
| 14:03.56 | Dan01 | can i get the deb kernel source and set my options via make menuconfig? |
| 14:04.20 | cydork | !oldconfig |
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| 14:04.25 | abrotman | Dan01: yes |
| 14:04.28 | Dan01 | ok |
| 14:04.29 | troubled | Dan01: generally thats how your supposed to do it |
| 14:04.32 | Dan01 | ok |
| 14:04.34 | abrotman | you're |
| 14:04.49 | abrotman | !tell Dan01 about kp |
| 14:04.56 | Dan01 | its just a case of apt-geting it and blah blah |
| 14:05.14 | cydork | Dan01, are you doing a make oldconfig?? |
| 14:05.15 | troubled | Dan01: just dont forget about initrd (or make sure you compile IDE (or scsi) support and fs support into kernel. use /etc/modules for post mount modules) |
| 14:05.46 | Dan01 | ok |
| 14:05.50 | troubled | Dan01: make-kpkg is what you want |
| 14:05.57 | Dan01 | no i'm not doing make oldconfig |
| 14:06.04 | troubled | Dan01: make-kpkg --initrd kernel_image (iirc) |
| 14:06.41 | abrotman | i do binary .. but that's me .. i'm weird .. and i don't normally build kernels |
| 14:06.42 | signuts | cydork, Aye, I am running iscsi code and mount disk off my make shift san |
| 14:06.47 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 14:06.52 | troubled | Dan01: basically you should be able to zcat /proc/config.gz /usr/src/linux/.config && make oldconfig && make menuconfig |
| 14:07.01 | Dan01 | ok |
| 14:07.10 | abrotman | seems like extra work .. but ok :) |
| 14:07.29 | Diazepam | nite all |
| 14:07.34 | troubled | abrotman: well, i supose your right with respect to menuconfig and oldconfig :) |
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| 14:07.40 | Diazepam | thanks again simonrvn and troubled!!!! |
| 14:07.44 | troubled | Diazepam: everything work ok? |
| 14:07.45 | oxygen | i want to learn mac adress with tcp dump packets .. |
| 14:07.51 | oxygen | how can i learn it ? |
| 14:07.51 | Diazepam | troubled: yep! |
| 14:07.54 | troubled | oxygen: whats to learn? |
| 14:08.01 | oxygen | mac adress ... |
| 14:08.03 | troubled | Diazepam: cool. hope your project works fine :) |
| 14:08.07 | dhuv | I setup pam to auth against mysql if it does not find a user in /etc/passwd, everything is working well but even though I specify the shell as /bin/false in the database, it still allows the user to ssh in and give him a bash shell |
| 14:08.12 | Diazepam | troubled: just wrote a HOW TO which ive already shared with a fellow LPI student |
| 14:08.15 | oxygen | so i used tcpdump ... but just i can see ip adres... |
| 14:08.18 | troubled | oxygen: again, whats to learn? you know what a mac addy is right? |
| 14:08.19 | oxygen | i want to see mac adres.. |
| 14:08.26 | abrotman | troubled: you're |
| 14:08.30 | troubled | oxygen: mac are only local subnet things |
| 14:08.31 | dhuv | does anybody know how I can limit only certain users to login? |
| 14:08.32 | Diazepam | troubled - so the info has already been shared |
| 14:08.37 | abrotman | dhuv: man sshd_config |
| 14:08.44 | abrotman | dhuv: i'm going to keep telling you that until you read it |
| 14:08.50 | troubled | Diazepam: LPI? |
| 14:09.04 | abrotman | troubled: certification thingie |
| 14:09.04 | troubled | Diazepam: you so OSS friendly now :) |
| 14:09.10 | troubled | abrotman: ahh, gotcha |
| 14:09.18 | abrotman | !lpi |
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| 14:09.26 | abrotman | bah .. linux professional institute or something |
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| 14:09.36 | troubled | dhuv: you mean at all or just locally? |
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| 14:10.56 | abrotman | troubled: he's already gotten his answer .. it's very clearly defined in the man page for sshd_config |
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| 14:11.03 | dhuv | troubled: at all |
| 14:11.06 | troubled | abrotman: ahh, ssh related. gotcha |
| 14:11.22 | troubled | dhuv: set shell to /bin/false? |
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| 14:11.39 | troubled | dhuv: but /etc/logindefs and pam is what you want |
| 14:11.49 | cydork | !fishing |
| 14:11.49 | dpkg | methinks fishing is if you give a man a fish, you feed him for a day. If you try to teach a man to fish, you get called an elitist arrogant prick, because he already knew how to fish, and tried that first, of course... |
| 14:11.55 | dhuv | abrotman: I can see the allowusers but this is only for ssh, what if I want to stop a user from anything else |
| 14:12.31 | abrotman | dhuv: you only asked about ssh |
| 14:12.38 | troubled | dhuv: i know it all used to be controlled by files, but debian went all pam now, which basically points back to the standard files like /etc/securtty and such. |
| 14:12.45 | troubled | err /etc/login.defs |
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| 14:13.34 | troubled | dhuv: pam is what you want. you cant setup pam to tell each service what file to use for allowed logins etc. its a nasty read though, be warned |
| 14:13.43 | troubled | err s/cant/can/ |
| 14:14.39 | troubled | dhuv: i get the feeling that your only interested in ssh access and not local console access yes? in which case see what abrotman man |
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| 14:15.27 | abrotman | dhuv: what else are you concerned that your users might access? |
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| 14:16.20 | dhuv | troubled: I would like to stop console access as well |
| 14:16.32 | troubled | dhuv: look around in /etc/pam.d |
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| 14:16.37 | dhuv | ok |
| 14:16.37 | dn4 | mIRC-Melody, whats sup1!!!!! |
| 14:16.39 | dhuv | thanks |
| 14:17.00 | troubled | dhuv: each service for login in debian uses pam. a file in that dir matches the service name, ftp, ssh, su, login etc |
| 14:17.48 | troubled | dhuv: those files in turn (if you read them) point at in most cases the same files in /etc/security that dictate what and who and when logins can occur, if passwords are needed, what times etc. but pam allows your to configure each service to your needs |
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| 14:18.10 | lhds | what is this i chose desktop for the install and now its downloading mozilla .. i asked for x desktop not for a specific webbrowser |
| 14:18.21 | dhuv | troubled: I will check them out, thanks |
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| 14:18.35 | troubled | dhuv: basically, theres a pam setting that will let you create a file for a list of allow (or denied) names to allow login. just set the righth settings in the /etc/pam.d files to tweak to your needs |
| 14:18.43 | abrotman | lhds: you used tasksel .. the desktop task depends on mozilla-browser |
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| 14:18.49 | troubled | dhuv: good luck, pam can break your system, RTFM very well |
| 14:19.03 | abrotman | lhds: you can certainly remove it later if you wish |
| 14:19.04 | Apeiron | hey all :) i heard about a software to turn a debian install to a router in a easy way, without messing around with all that NAT/prerouting stuff with iptables.. could someone who remember tell me the name of those app? i already searched my sources, but didnt found it.. thx for help in advance |
| 14:19.06 | cydork | lhds, desktop download whole bunch of shit :P |
| 14:19.09 | troubled | dhuv: and if it breaks, root wont help unless you reboot into single user and fix |
| 14:19.33 | troubled | Apeiron: shorewall? smoothwall? |
| 14:19.38 | dn4 | I just got back from class. I was checking out this girl on my way to the car after class and she as happy until my eyes just kept staring at her big huge breasts. She gave me an ugly look and I just laughed my ass off. |
| 14:19.49 | lhds | i have noticed |
| 14:19.50 | Apeiron | troubled, thx, im gonna take a look at that |
| 14:19.51 | abrotman | dn4: noone cares .. |
| 14:19.57 | lhds | and for a network install that does not help at alllll |
| 14:20.16 | troubled | Apeiron: ones a bootable firewall distro (debian based iirc). other is a set of complex scripts to lock things down |
| 14:20.29 | abrotman | lhds: you chose desktop .. that's what it is installing .. if you want more granular control .. don't use tasksel |
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| 14:20.47 | dn4 | abrotman, um ok |
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| 14:20.53 | lhds | will it install any desktop manager? |
| 14:20.58 | angelo1312 | my xserver is no ok.. ty!! |
| 14:21.05 | angelo1312 | my xserver is now ok.. ty!! |
| 14:21.06 | Apeiron | troubled, its just a temporary thing, so i would prefer a simple to use software.. gonna have a look at shorewall |
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| 14:21.07 | abrotman | lhds: will what install any desktop manager? |
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| 14:21.22 | abrotman | lhds: most people stopped using tasksel .. it's really not that good |
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| 14:21.48 | troubled | Apeiron: probably your best best. although im sure there are a few dosen debs you can install to give you something basic. heck, just droppings --syn packets might be all you need |
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| 14:21.58 | lhds | i am not able to download the complete cd |
| 14:22.32 | Apeiron | troubled, well, i tried to create a gateway with iptables, but didnt worked my way trough all that NAT stuff |
| 14:22.38 | abrotman | you don't have to .. if you skip tasksel .. you can install things from the net in a more granular way |
| 14:22.41 | troubled | Apeiron: worst case, try apt-cache search firewall gtk for something more intuitive |
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| 14:23.03 | Apeiron | troubled, kk, thx so far |
| 14:23.24 | mIRC-Melody | some1 gimme a head massage |
| 14:23.45 | abrotman | go away |
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| 14:24.54 | mIRC-Melody | !|dennis| |
| 14:24.54 | dpkg | methinks |dennis| is mIRC-Melody's best friend |
| 14:25.01 | mIRC-Melody | yep he is |
| 14:25.01 | zophyx_ | cat mIRC-Melody|head|sort|pr |
| 14:25.20 | abrotman | mIRC-Melody: stop fucking with the goddamn bot |
| 14:25.32 | mIRC-Melody | !zophyx_ |
| 14:25.33 | dpkg | from memory, zophyx_ is mIRC-Melody's best friend... hehe ur cool |
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| 14:25.35 | mIRC-Melody | sorry abrotman |
| 14:26.27 | Ronin | dear god abrotman theyre still in here trolling? |
| 14:26.42 | abrotman | yes .. and noone cares |
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| 14:28.08 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@bspark2dsl.claranet.co.uk] by azeem |
| 14:28.08 | *** kick/#debian [mIRC-Melody!n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 14:28.20 | troubled | heh |
| 14:28.22 | dn4 | awww |
| 14:28.25 | abrotman | azeem: thank you |
| 14:28.30 | dn4 | !mIRC-Melody |
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| 14:28.35 | azeem | abrotman: no thanks for not notifying :P |
| 14:28.45 | azeem | dn4: please do not abuse the bot |
| 14:28.46 | dn4 | Are you serious the bot doesn't do crap when I type that? |
| 14:28.50 | abrotman | azeem: you saw him before .. i thought you were just letting him slide |
| 14:28.53 | dhuv | troubled: /etc/security/access.conf allows me to limit console logins, perfect |
| 14:28.56 | dn4 | but it works for Mirc Melody |
| 14:28.59 | dn4 | what mis fortune |
| 14:29.01 | azeem | well,once |
| 14:29.03 | Danamania | are there known problems with 2.6 kernels in debian, and dec 21041 or dec 21140 based ethernet cards? |
| 14:29.32 | azeem | back then he was just trying to use dict through dpkg and failed, IIRC |
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| 14:29.54 | Danamania | I'm getting kernel panics, or network access stops after 2-3MB in big transfers, or eth0 just never works in the first place - I have 4 different cards I've tried in 2 machines. |
| 14:30.12 | azeem | Danamania: which version exactly? |
| 14:30.18 | troubled | dhuv: grats. FYI, most distros in old days used to all follow those files, but pam allows you to change the services so that you can pick and choose which services follow which files. so no you can have ssh ignore the file while login doesnt. before it was all or nothing, pam is nice :) |
| 14:30.44 | Danamania | azeem: 2.6.8 and 2.6.8-3 I've tried. |
| 14:30.52 | azeem | oh |
| 14:31.01 | azeem | Danamania: so you had those problems from day one? |
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| 14:31.39 | leOn | hiya |
| 14:32.02 | Danamania | I haven't used these cards since 2.4 (one of them was in my webserver working well for months), but I only noticed the problems when trying to install a 2nd machine, and grabbed one of the dec cards. |
| 14:32.28 | Danamania | (the webserver got a realtek put in, then upgraded to 2.6 later - it's been happy with that) |
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| 14:33.00 | abrotman | azeem: at least i was nice enough to remove all the factoids he added .. even though dpkg got mad at me |
| 14:34.14 | troubled | abrotman: just how many factoids did he add?! |
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| 14:35.11 | azeem | abrotman: \o/ |
| 14:35.13 | abrotman | troubled: eh .. seven or so i think |
| 14:35.38 | azeem | Danamania: I'd suggest trying a livecd with a newer kernel, like some recent knoppix or ubuntu |
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| 14:35.43 | abrotman | troubled: they were all like !troubled .. and it would say "troubled is dipshit's best friend" |
| 14:35.46 | Danamania | azeem: now I think about it, the sarge 2.6 installer kernel didn't like the dec either - I started that install last night using the sarge netinst iso. |
| 14:35.46 | azeem | Danamania: or just boot off etch beta3 and see whether it wors |
| 14:35.59 | troubled | !troubled |
| 14:35.59 | dpkg | methinks troubled is a stats whore, or http://debstats.mine.nu/'s pimpdaddy, or resident trouble daemon on #debian, or a Sarah McLachlan fan. rather troubled, or a lesbian |
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| 14:36.07 | troubled | hmm, looks fine to me |
| 14:36.10 | troubled | :) |
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| 14:36.34 | troubled | abrotman: or did you roll back the changes? |
| 14:36.49 | azeem | troubled: he was giving an analogy |
| 14:36.49 | abrotman | he didn't do yours |
| 14:37.03 | navaladi | hi all I need transcode .deb file..or i want to add in sources.list |
| 14:37.04 | troubled | ahh k |
| 14:37.11 | abrotman | Danamania: i've had problems with older dec cards also |
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| 14:37.20 | navaladi | is it available for debian? |
| 14:37.24 | abrotman | couldn't get tulip or de4x5 to work |
| 14:37.29 | troubled | Danamania: curious, you using tulip with that card? |
| 14:37.33 | troubled | nm |
| 14:37.33 | abrotman | !tell navaladi about mplayer |
| 14:37.38 | Danamania | azeem: aye, I may try that later. it's not a big drama as I dragged out another realtek that it's happy with - more curious than anything |
| 14:37.57 | troubled | werent those cards like rt8139too or something? |
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| 14:38.14 | abrotman | Danamania: IOW .. i've got a big pile of DEC NICs that don't work with any recent OS |
| 14:38.18 | troubled | some reason i think my boxen used some of those dec chip cards |
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| 14:38.31 | azeem | Danamania: ok, if it works with a more recent kernel, I doubt you can get anybody interested in fixing that on 2.6.8 :-/ |
| 14:38.31 | Danamania | troubled: Once I got up & going with the realtek, I swapped a dec card back in and tried a few different ones - tulip and de4x5 - they had different problems, all bad still :) |
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| 14:38.59 | Danamania | azeem: ahhwell. they're 10 years old now :) |
| 14:39.11 | troubled | Danamania: curious, what module does the discover util want to load for it? |
| 14:39.26 | abrotman | troubled: i've tried them all .. they don't seem to work |
| 14:39.30 | troubled | Danamania: i always find that tool useful when i dont have a clue what to load |
| 14:39.36 | abrotman | even old_tulip doesn't seem to work |
| 14:39.47 | Danamania | abrotman: sorry - I'm shivering a bit here and trying to keep up typing with cold fingers :). Sounds like a common problem then |
| 14:40.33 | Danamania | troubled: I shall try that one later too |
| 14:40.52 | troubled | Danamania: its bailed me out of hours of trial and error before |
| 14:40.57 | navaladi | abrotman:i just wanna to convert vncrec format to AVI..not for full multimedia.. |
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| 14:42.56 | lhds | wazaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 14:43.19 | troubled | p |
| 14:43.44 | lhds | man its serious its downloading gnome aswelllllll |
| 14:43.49 | lhds | helllllllllll |
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| 14:44.07 | troubled | lhds: what are ya breakin now? |
| 14:44.11 | leOn | fellas ... i'd like to defrag an ext2 lvm2 volume. when i run e2defrag with -r (for testing) i get an error about not being able to allocate zone maps |
| 14:44.17 | Candid | hi, i don't manage to install pdo onto my php5 installation, what do i need to do? |
| 14:44.27 | leOn | any ideas? |
| 14:44.53 | troubled | Candid: pdo? pear? |
| 14:44.55 | lhds | when i clicked on desktop install from minimal cd install it said that it wanted to download a bunch of debs... now i discovered that its downloading gdm deb after firefox |
| 14:45.12 | Danamania | abrotman: I feared it might be a weirdness with PPC, or the particular motherboards I was using - but since you had hassles to I can put it down to the $5 worth of pci cards instead :D |
| 14:45.16 | Candid | troubled: pdo is supposed to be a part of php 5.1 |
| 14:45.16 | lhds | will it continue to kde, fluxbox blackbox xcfe etc etc?????? |
| 14:45.39 | troubled | lhds: no, gnome the default i think thats all |
| 14:45.40 | cydork | lhds, nope :) it will install gnome only |
| 14:45.58 | Danamania | to/too |
| 14:46.26 | lhds | man its only in its 6 percent |
| 14:46.27 | troubled | Candid: ah. no idea, still only tried php4 :( but what was pdo? not the pear db stuff was it? |
| 14:46.39 | lhds | and me who wanted to install a minimal x desktop with blackbox |
| 14:46.43 | Candid | troubled: yeah, kind of |
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| 14:47.00 | troubled | Danamania: your PPC? |
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| 14:47.18 | lhds | its not fair i didnt choose the debs to download |
| 14:47.30 | Danamania | troubled: aye |
| 14:47.33 | troubled | lhds: thats what manual package selection is for :) |
| 14:47.39 | lhds | it was so abstract by choosing Desktop DUH! |
| 14:48.00 | troubled | Danamania: well you could have mentioned that earlier hehe. ive no idea what works and such on ppc, let alone nic drivers hehe |
| 14:48.02 | lhds | shall i interupt everything? |
| 14:48.10 | lhds | control c it? |
| 14:48.40 | troubled | lhds: well, if you want firefox, you kinda need a desktop installed, or at least Xorg package |
| 14:49.00 | troubled | although i cant imagine using firefox without a wm |
| 14:49.30 | troubled | lhds: honestly, i like gnome if you dont mind the time it takes to download it all |
| 14:49.34 | Danamania | troubled: generally, NICs are swappable all over the place - If a bunch of people here had those same cards working fine though I'd go harrass -ppc :) |
| 14:49.46 | abrotman | Danamania: yeah .. we have a pile of them .. let me get the chip number |
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| 14:50.31 | abrotman | Danamania: mine are 21140-AF .. and i can't get them to work with windows or linux anymore |
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| 14:50.46 | Danamania | these ones are 21041-PB, 21140-AF, 21041-AA and another 21041-PB |
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| 14:51.09 | troubled | abrotman: its funny how stuff beyond a certain age just stops working isnt it :) |
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| 14:51.35 | troubled | abrotman: somedays i swear theres more going on in them lil black asic chips then they let on.... |
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| 14:52.46 | abrotman | troubled: well .. especially those cards .. they used to be known to be among the best NICs you could get for linux |
| 14:53.19 | troubled | abrotman: all the more reason to find out why they just dont work anymore if you ask me |
| 14:53.27 | Danamania | perhaps the drivers for them made some assumptions about the rest of the generic networking code in linux, which may have changed |
| 14:54.04 | troubled | perhaps. all i know is that everything seems to all point to donald becker these days |
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| 14:54.12 | troubled | least with regards to dec |
| 14:54.29 | Outlander | anyone used the via c7 much? |
| 14:54.30 | abrotman | troubled: well .. go pick one up .. i'm sure you can get them cheap :) |
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| 14:55.03 | troubled | abrotman: no thanks, i like to keep what little hair i have left from falling out tyvm :) |
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| 14:55.34 | abrotman | troubled: you could ask someone to even mail you one .. the do pick up an IP .. but they just don't seem to work |
| 14:55.48 | abrotman | Danamania: i replaced mine with FA311 or FA312 from netgear .. work fine |
| 14:55.59 | troubled | abrotman: mii-tool report anything? |
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| 14:56.38 | abrotman | troubled: i don't have one installed anymore anywhere .. |
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| 14:56.46 | troubled | Danamania: curious, this broke in 2.6 only? or 2.4 too? |
| 14:56.49 | abrotman | troubled: except i think i might have one in an alpha |
| 14:57.04 | cr3 | if I purge a package which will not be removed because of dependencies, how can I unpurge it? |
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| 14:57.30 | abrotman | troubled: mii-tool doesn't work with the cards |
| 14:57.39 | troubled | abrotman: well, im sure i have a few kicking around, but i really dont feel like going through what Danamania is heh |
| 14:57.44 | cyzie | hwo do i set pure-ftpd to not use PASV? |
| 14:57.53 | troubled | abrotman: figures, shot in the dark :( |
| 14:58.01 | abrotman | i'm trying ethtool |
| 14:58.07 | eidolon | hi folks - i'm having incredible IO slowdowns on my machine - debian etch. i'm told 'you need the PREEMPT kernel' - which means a kernel recompile. I'm not running a custom compiled kernel, i'm using etch distribution. i s there a way to fix this IO problem without downloading and source-building a whole new kernel? |
| 14:58.11 | cr3 | for example, dpkg -l is showing the package as "pi" but I'd like it to show as "ii" again |
| 14:58.16 | enouf | cr3: reinstall ? |
| 14:58.22 | abrotman | troubled: which also fails :) |
| 14:58.31 | troubled | abrotman: go Murphy! |
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| 14:58.43 | Danamania | troubled: one of the 10baseT decs definitely worked in one of the sarge 2.4 kernels - but I'd switched to a realtek card for 10/100 (still under 2.4) before moving to 2.6 - so I didn't notice the incompatibility until just last night |
| 14:58.47 | abrotman | in the alpha .. one of them works with de4x5 |
| 14:58.52 | cr3 | enouf: apt-get install package didn't do anything |
| 14:58.59 | abrotman | or rather .. they both do |
| 14:59.01 | abrotman | but they are |
| 14:59.08 | abrotman | 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21040 [Tulip] (rev 24) |
| 14:59.09 | abrotman | 0000:00:0c.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21142/43 (rev 21) |
| 14:59.17 | abrotman | and tha'ts a 2.4 kernel |
| 14:59.33 | troubled | Danamania: curious, PPC still affected by standard irq issues as x86? |
| 14:59.43 | abrotman | same with the 2.6 on the alpha |
| 14:59.45 | troubled | sorry, really dont know much about how ppc works |
| 14:59.46 | cyzie | hwo do i set pure-ftpd to not use PASV? |
| 15:00.02 | enouf | cr3: apt -get --reinstall <packagename>? |
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| 15:00.32 | abrotman | 0000:00:0b.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21040 [Tulip] (rev 24) |
| 15:00.33 | abrotman | 0000:00:0d.0 Ethernet controller: Digital Equipment Corporation DECchip 21140 [FasterNet] (rev 22) |
| 15:00.37 | Danamania | troubled: I've heard IRQs are less of an issue, but don't know enough to say for sure. |
| 15:00.38 | abrotman | those work on alpha with 2.6 |
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| 15:01.04 | Danamania | abrotman: which 2.6 is that? |
| 15:01.04 | abrotman | but both work iwth de4x5 |
| 15:01.10 | abrotman | Danamania: for alpha .. 2.6.8-3 |
| 15:01.22 | cr3 | enouf: cool, thanks! |
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| 15:01.46 | enouf | cr3: ok |
| 15:01.48 | Danamania | curious. de4x5 was one that worked better - but died on large transfers until I ifupdown eth0 again |
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| 15:01.54 | Danamania | (large being 2MB or more) |
| 15:02.10 | troubled | Danamania: i thought it was a non issue too, but if your getting a panic during bursts, im wondering if maybe the module is maybe conflicting somehow os maybe the default compile is using some incompatible setting like the options to support old features |
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| 15:03.21 | Danamania | sometimes, even a ping could cause a kernel panic |
| 15:03.31 | abrotman | Danamania: i just had entirely too many issues with the cards on x86 .. so i stopped using them |
| 15:04.00 | troubled | Danamania: google shed any light on the issue? |
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| 15:04.32 | Danamania | troubled: not yet - I'm afraid I've been lazy there |
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| 15:04.53 | enouf | is also using a netgear FA311/312 |
| 15:05.09 | troubled | Danamania: for good reason. sometimes you go in circles with info on google hehe |
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| 15:06.43 | S4nD3r | hi there, where do I find help to install openoffice.org2 ??? |
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| 15:08.16 | amphi | S4nD3r: on stable? |
| 15:08.42 | enouf | Danamania : BTW - No kernel panics ever on a PII 350mhz 100FSB - great d/l speeds (8-10mbps down on Cable) - a little CPU intensive a NIC, but thinks ~$20 for the NIC is worth it - otherwise spend much more, for better... like a Intel Pro card pers se |
| 15:09.04 | Danamania | enouf: that's with the netgear, right? |
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| 15:09.22 | enouf | Danamania : Yes - the 311/312 model |
| 15:09.49 | Danamania | cool - that's a similar speed machine I'm using here ( http://www.danamania.com/temp/darthmac2.jpg ) |
| 15:09.58 | enouf | Danamania : Got mine from newegg ;-) |
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| 15:10.13 | enouf | Danamania : the netgear NIC that is |
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| 15:10.58 | enouf | Danamania : whoa -- is that an old world 17" Mac ? |
| 15:11.02 | S4nD3r | amphi, sure |
| 15:11.07 | syntaxx | when i update-rc.d mysql defaults it says System startup links for /etc/init.d/mysql already exist how can i remove it to fix this? |
| 15:11.08 | amphi | S4nD3r: backports.org |
| 15:11.22 | ootput | ot: are any of you using rockbox on ipod? I'd like to remove all traces of the default firmware's doings, without rendering my ipod useless |
| 15:11.24 | Heda | anyone use imwheel for their ms mouse ? |
| 15:11.33 | troubled | syntaxx: user -f remove i think |
| 15:11.35 | ootput | Heda: I |
| 15:11.53 | RichiH | are the differences between vim and vim-full only in the GUI support? |
| 15:11.58 | troubled | syntaxx: cant remember if you can -f the defaults or if you have to remove them first though |
| 15:12.07 | Heda | ootput, i have one of those mini mice with only one thumb button, but i can't figure how to get it to mimik keyboard input of alt+tab when i click ti |
| 15:12.10 | Danamania | enouf: it's the powermac that was the iMac equivalent, just before iMacs came out - a 5500/250 |
| 15:12.15 | enouf | Danamania : Yep -- I see PowerPC on it -- not sure of old/new world though .. hehehe I actually have the same monitor but in white/beige (Mac is unused at the moment) |
| 15:12.20 | Danamania | enouf: and it's 14" - the thing is tiny :) |
| 15:12.20 | syntaxx | ok |
| 15:12.39 | enouf | Danamania : ugh ...14" ? mine's 17" ...whooopioe :-) |
| 15:12.44 | Danamania | it's oldworld though, yeah. |
| 15:12.50 | ootput | Heda: what's a thumb-button? A side button? |
| 15:12.59 | Heda | ootput, yeah |
| 15:13.18 | Danamania | enouf: probably more like 13" if I measured it :). It's almost 10 years old. |
| 15:13.21 | enouf | Danamania : mine too ... but mine is only a 7300/200 ...:-( |
| 15:13.23 | S4nD3r | I willl look for it |
| 15:13.46 | enouf | Danamania : Same here -- yours in black ooks much better though |
| 15:13.50 | syntaxx | troubled, is there a way i could refresh the /etc/init.d without rebooting? |
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| 15:13.53 | enouf | looks* |
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| 15:14.05 | troubled | syntaxx: ? |
| 15:14.05 | Danamania | enouf: a 200mhz 604e would probably do pretty well against this one - it has a 300MHz 603ev in it now |
| 15:14.25 | abrotman | i have a PPC mini sitting in my closet .. |
| 15:14.27 | troubled | syntaxx: just rerun what you changed, /etc/init.d/script restart? |
| 15:14.48 | syntaxx | ok |
| 15:14.48 | ootput | Heda: sorry, I'm not familiar with configuration for a side button. My settings are for left-right axis of the scroll wheel (ms comfort3000) |
| 15:14.55 | enouf | Danamania : the PPC also has a USB 1.1 add in card and upgraded to 128MB (or is it 192MB) of RAM -- 4 slots though |
| 15:15.19 | syntaxx | troubled, ok after running it /etc/init.d/script stop it says permission denied im running it as root |
| 15:15.19 | Heda | ootput, no worries, thanks, i have to get that going next, it has tilt but only one side button, pain |
| 15:15.26 | troubled | syntaxx: i assume you only changed one startup script, really the only thing that you may have changed is the order that it starts |
| 15:15.33 | ootput | Heda: what are you using for tab? |
| 15:15.39 | troubled | syntaxx: is it +x? |
| 15:15.41 | abrotman | troubled: can you make my macmini work with my tv? :) |
| 15:15.49 | Danamania | enouf: have you tried debian on it? |
| 15:15.57 | ootput | Heda: <inputkey>|<inputkey> |
| 15:16.01 | troubled | abrotman: I could make your macmini make you coffee! :) |
| 15:16.06 | syntaxx | troubled, ok ill check it |
| 15:16.09 | troubled | abrotman: just mail it to me eheh |
| 15:16.11 | enouf | Danamania : I r-e-a-l-l-y need o do some house-cleaning and organizing and fiore this puppy up ...but, oh well - I'm quite lazy after working most days |
| 15:16.16 | abrotman | troubled: i'd prefer it work with my tv :) |
| 15:16.16 | enouf | nedd to* |
| 15:16.20 | enouf | need to* |
| 15:16.24 | Heda | ootput, sorry don't follow, not that up on imwheel myself, only started using it recently |
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| 15:16.26 | ootput | Heda: aye, i actually need to get to bed :) |
| 15:16.33 | enouf | fire* :-) |
| 15:16.43 | Danamania | enouf: ooh. the lack of time thing sucks, yeah. |
| 15:16.48 | ootput | Heda: for the tilt, there was a guide for ms mice |
| 15:16.58 | Heda | cool, i'll check it out thanks |
| 15:17.02 | enouf | Danamania : you ain't kidding.. |
| 15:17.04 | ootput | Heda: i'm not sure if i found it on a debian resource, or a gentoo resource |
| 15:17.12 | ootput | 'night |
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| 15:21.17 | S4nD3r | thereis no openoffice.org2 in any mirrors from backports |
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| 15:22.05 | S4nD3r | this sarge, i think is so strange, theres no way to use openoffice.org2 |
| 15:22.16 | enouf | Danamania : just noticed - your PPC is an All-in-one type dealio -- mine are separate components , but the Mac monitor is a 17" CRT with the speakers like you have there, and has a ps/2 and adb inputs and such (perhaps MIDI ?) , those Apple proprietary ports are weird to me, but I have the documentation avaiable for when I need it :-0 |
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| 15:22.48 | Danamania | enouf: is it a monitor like this? http://www.danamania.com/temp/1710.jpg |
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| 15:23.55 | cyzie | hwo do i set pure-ftpd to not use PASV? // easy.. make a file name NATmode and place in under /etc/pure-ftpd/conf/ set the content of this file to yet. then restart prueftpd, /etc/init.d/pure-ftpd restart and then test it |
| 15:24.45 | enouf | Danamania : Yes - but older ..... AppleVision |
| 15:24.57 | enouf | I guess* |
| 15:25.29 | S4nD3r | openoffice2.. how to use this in my sarge |
| 15:25.43 | enouf | Danamania : The tower is a flat Desktop though - kinda the VLBus design/era |
| 15:26.32 | Danamania | ayup - I have a few of those too |
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| 15:26.54 | Danamania | ayup - I have a few of those too |
| 15:26.58 | Danamania | I'm a bit obsessed :) |
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| 15:27.47 | enouf | Danamania : whoops ... I quit accidentally = but yeah ... plz tel me more about the "Rack" stuff alongside the Black 14" PPC |
| 15:27.51 | cyzie | s/yet/yes |
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| 15:29.04 | Danamania | enouf: it's just storage shelving for some of the collection - http://www.danamania.com/temp/muisbandage.jpg |
| 15:29.08 | Lou80 | hi enouf |
| 15:29.11 | Lou80 | I was having some bad dependency problems last night so I've re-installed sarge completely. Before I do anything to it I want to back it up to some kind of image file and store it on another partition. What would you folks recommend? I have my new sarge partition mounted into my ubuntu filesystem but when I goto properties it gives the size at 1.4GB but says in brackets some contents unreadable. I'm assuming that these unreadable things ca |
| 15:29.12 | Lou80 | n't be backed up? Will they prevent my back-up image from booting once it's been copied back at a later date? |
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| 15:29.20 | enouf | Lou80 : sup |
| 15:29.24 | enouf | ? |
| 15:29.41 | Lou80 | any advice on back up method? |
| 15:30.21 | enouf | Danamania: are you sure you posted the correct JPG ... hehehe |
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| 15:30.40 | enouf | Lou80 : hold a sec please -- reviewing your posts |
| 15:30.47 | Lou80 | or should I just drag my sarge mount point and burn to dvd in iso format? |
| 15:30.48 | troubled | Lou80: a raw dd iso image works, but do it from another install (temp or small working install) or use knoppix |
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| 15:30.57 | Danamania | enouf: oh! ha. oops. that's my (analogue) mouse after surgery :). http://www.danamania.com/temp/shelvings.jpg is the right .jpg |
| 15:31.14 | troubled | Lou80: probably got the error cause you werent in single user mode and some stuff was in use |
| 15:31.16 | enouf | Danamania: :-) ... that's ok - .. |
| 15:31.38 | Lou80 | troubled yeah I had sudoed to root |
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| 15:32.06 | troubled | Lou80: just do and init s, a ps xaf should confirm that nothing is running |
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| 15:32.28 | troubled | Lou80: after that, just use dd or tar or whatever you want to make the image on the new partition |
| 15:32.29 | enouf | Lou80: please verify what you have installed and where and what OS you are currently in .. I'm confused -= please refresh my mem |
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| 15:33.11 | Lou80 | i'm running ubuntu right now. Have a clean install of debian sarge mounted in /mnt/hda4 |
| 15:33.36 | Angels2 | Is there either a way only to get files with wget which are larger than a defined size or print out files smaller than a set size (i know i could do that with some if else/awk statement...but maybe there is a easy method) |
| 15:33.37 | troubled | Lou80: so /dev/hda4 is the partition you want backed up? |
| 15:33.44 | Lou80 | yeah troubled |
| 15:33.52 | azeem | Lou80: backup /etc |
| 15:33.55 | enouf | Lou80: Ok - is Ubuntu from a LiveCD/ or a HDD install? |
| 15:34.02 | Lou80 | HDD install |
| 15:34.19 | azeem | Lou80: and try to get a listing of packages you had installed, if you think that is important |
| 15:34.27 | S4nD3r | openoffice2.. how to use this in my sarge???? |
| 15:34.30 | troubled | Lou80: well, umount /mnt/hda4 and run, dd if=/dev/hda4 of=/place/to/save/image.iso bs=1M |
| 15:34.32 | enouf | Lou80: Ok - can you boot into Debian ? and isDebian installed on the same HDD? |
| 15:34.34 | troubled | Lou80: that should do it |
| 15:34.46 | Lou80 | that troubled |
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| 15:34.55 | syntaxx | S4nD3r, check backports if openoffice2 is there |
| 15:35.05 | troubled | Lou80: optionally you could also pipe that through gzip to save some space at the expense of time |
| 15:35.16 | Lou80 | enouf yes can boot to debian and it is on a seperate partition but on the same physical disk |
| 15:35.28 | S4nD3r | it isnt |
| 15:35.49 | troubled | Lou80: also, your best to make a copy of the partition table and save it to a disk just so you remake the partition the exact size it is now |
| 15:36.12 | Lou80 | how do i do that? |
| 15:36.19 | azeem | troubled: that won't make an iso file out of it |
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| 15:36.21 | enouf | Lou80: following up on azeeem's lead - you can 'aptitude search ~i > somefile' to get a list of installed packages saved to file or even a 'dpkg -l | awk '/ii/ {print $2}' for a more concise list |
| 15:36.24 | S4nD3r | I checked |
| 15:36.37 | enouf | azeems * |
| 15:36.39 | troubled | azeem: .... |
| 15:36.45 | enouf | drats azeem's * |
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| 15:37.35 | Lou80 | Will unmounting and running dd if=/dev/hda4 of=/place/to/save/image.iso bs=1M make a single image type file? |
| 15:37.35 | enouf | Lou80: Ok - so you CAN boot into Debian - now what's the issue problem ? |
| 15:38.01 | Lou80 | no problem enouf I just want to back it up before I break it again :-) |
| 15:38.24 | troubled | Lou80: well, you could just dd if=/dev/hda of=/some/place/boot.mbr bs=512 i think |
| 15:38.36 | troubled | guys, is mbr first 512 and part table second 512? |
| 15:38.40 | troubled | cant remember |
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| 15:39.20 | troubled | Lou80: well, basically run cfdisk /dev/hda, and make note of all the sizes on paper. mainly you only need to match size of the hda4 partition |
| 15:39.35 | Lou80 | ok doing it |
| 15:39.39 | troubled | azeem: curious, if you run file on the dd image, whats it say? |
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| 15:39.53 | enouf | Lou80: look into the Backuppc app .. depending upone whether or not you have available disk space and networking, it's an Enterprise backup system .. I have it installed but haven;'t gone through all the motions yet necessary to actually use it :-) -- but there's likely a quicker rsync/tar combo way to do it .. othere's here know more than I about it |
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| 15:40.11 | azeem | troubled: I don't know? |
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| 15:40.20 | troubled | Lou80: really, you can dd restore that part to a part that is bigger, just that the data wont fill the full partition if its bigger until you use a fs tool to resize the fs to take up full size |
| 15:40.36 | troubled | azeem: perhaps you should test it on a floppy image ;) |
| 15:40.48 | azeem | troubled: I only said it won't be an iso image |
| 15:41.18 | azeem | if you make clear this is not the case, fine. But maybe use an extension like .img next time |
| 15:41.25 | enouf | troubled: usually the first 440 of 448 bytes is the MBR and the remaining is the MPT's but not so simple with Xpoop, nor Fat32 - it uses an xMBR which encompasses more than a few sectors |
| 15:41.27 | troubled | azeem: well, perhaps not iso as in cd image, but it is a raw image nonetheless |
| 15:41.36 | azeem | troubled: iso == cd image |
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| 15:41.46 | azeem | iso9660 is a defined standard |
| 15:41.52 | troubled | enouf: so first 512 is the mbr + part table on x86 yes? |
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| 15:42.24 | troubled | azeem: sorry, used to just dd'in stuff and refering to it as an iso |
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| 15:42.28 | dazjorz | Hey |
| 15:42.35 | dazjorz | I need an IRC client for my Linux laptop |
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| 15:42.40 | dazjorz | Graphical |
| 15:42.40 | eml | Hi... I'm trying to install the nvidia-kernel-2.6-486 package, but I'm getting an error... why? |
| 15:42.42 | troubled | azeem: still, the image will work for his needs |
| 15:42.43 | dazjorz | what would you recommend? |
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| 15:42.54 | enouf | troubled: for Gnu/Linux, I'd say yes - BUT, the caveat being where grub's stage 1.5 and stage 2.0 live at on the disk - usually stage 1.5 is in the 2nd 512Byte sector |
| 15:42.55 | azeem | troubled: yeah, but some people might try to burn it.... |
| 15:42.59 | dazjorz | eml, depends, what error? |
| 15:43.06 | azeem | dazjorz: irssi |
| 15:43.12 | dazjorz | Ok, lemme try |
| 15:43.22 | troubled | azeem: well, that is how I make .iso files for cd's anyways :) |
| 15:43.28 | PDani_ | hi |
| 15:43.31 | enouf | troubled: and stage 2 can exist anywhere within the 1st 30KB or so of sectors IIRC |
| 15:43.38 | troubled | azeem: not bootable per se, but still readable and mountable |
| 15:43.39 | azeem | troubled: uh, and you burn them like that? |
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| 15:43.48 | eml | dazjorz, That they have unmet dependencies and won't be installed... o.O |
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| 15:44.50 | dazjorz | eml: we really can't help you if you don't give the error message |
| 15:44.50 | troubled | azeem: yes, dd if=/dev/zero of=/tmp/file.iso ; losetup /dev/loop0 /tmp/file.iso ; mkfs /dev/loop0 ; mount /dev/loop0 /mnt ; cp -xa / /mnt ; umount /mnt ; losetup -d /dev/loop0 ; burn |
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| 15:45.11 | dazjorz | azeem: is there a graphical version (for X window) of irssi too? |
| 15:45.13 | eml | dazjorz, Ah, well... What if I'd want to get the precompiled kernel images? :) |
| 15:45.31 | troubled | azeem: oddly enough it works fine assuming i read it under linux (of course ms will have issues reading ext2 :) |
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| 15:45.41 | dazjorz | eml: I don't know what you want |
| 15:45.50 | grendal_prime | hey, i changed the hostname of a server from servername to servername.com when i log in via ssh though i still get the prompt reading user@servername without the .com on it?? |
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| 15:45.56 | eml | dazjorz, I want to install the NVIDIA GFX driver :P |
| 15:46.04 | dazjorz | eml: There are howto's on that |
| 15:46.09 | grendal_prime | whats the deal with that...is there something else i need to edit for that to display corectly? |
| 15:46.10 | azeem | troubled: eh, the data is put into the image in the cp -xa step, not the dd step |
| 15:46.10 | eml | Where? |
| 15:46.14 | dazjorz | eml: it should be very straight forward |
| 15:46.20 | dazjorz | eml: www.google.com... |
| 15:46.43 | eml | Well I've installed it several times.. but I actually suppose that I should compile my own kernel too, since the GCC versions doesn't match |
| 15:46.44 | troubled | azeem: yes, but in that case, dd of /dev/hda4 is the same exact thing |
| 15:47.01 | troubled | azeem: its a copy of the filesystem in either case |
| 15:47.04 | rdz | hi all. i modified /etc/group. what do i need to do in order to make the changes take effect? |
| 15:47.04 | enouf | Lou80: have I and others thoroughly confused you yet ? hehehe |
| 15:47.17 | azeem | troubled: no |
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| 15:47.22 | troubled | azeem: just in case of hda4 its bigger and probably contains journalling info |
| 15:47.24 | Lou80 | yeah too right, just reading up on the use of dd |
| 15:47.29 | troubled | azeem: yes :) |
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| 15:48.10 | azeem | troubled: in the cp case, you use the file-system made by mkfs (whichever that is) |
| 15:48.16 | Lou80 | will " dd if=/dev/hda4 of=/place/to/save/image.iso bs=1M" give me a real .iso file then? and what does bs=1M mean? |
| 15:48.22 | enouf | Lou80: 'apt-cache search backuppc' and 'apt-cache show backuppc' for some info about it - dd is a raw write utility |
| 15:48.27 | troubled | azeem: hda is a block device, bound by the size of hda4 in part table, where as the dd image size was preset |
| 15:48.29 | azeem | in the dd case, you retain the file system from the host partiton |
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| 15:48.39 | azeem | troubled: see, you already confused Lou80 |
| 15:48.42 | enouf | bs=1M means 1024Bytes Block Size |
| 15:48.48 | troubled | azeem: lol me?! it was you! |
| 15:48.54 | Lou80 | thanks enough that twice |
| 15:49.03 | Lou80 | enouf* |
| 15:49.03 | enouf | troubled: better hide too |
| 15:49.03 | ootput | is there a limitation on fat32 such that a 4gb disk maxes out at 1bg? |
| 15:49.09 | ootput | *1gb |
| 15:49.17 | troubled | Lou80: do you have a floppy handy? |
| 15:49.22 | Lou80 | no |
| 15:49.35 | Lou80 | plenty of CDs |
| 15:50.08 | rdz | can someone help me with adding a user to a group? |
| 15:50.12 | troubled | Lou80: well, for now just run that command I gave you, afterwords run: file /tmp/file.iso, tell us what it says |
| 15:50.16 | stew | enouf: no, bs=1M would be 1024*1024 bytes |
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| 15:50.39 | troubled | Lou80: should be raw filesystem of type ext2 or whatever you made it. but it still will work fine for a backup |
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| 15:50.49 | azeem | troubled: the `burn' in the above transforms your file system to iso9660 |
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| 15:51.04 | azeem | troubled: any other user who'd just burn the .iso you recommmended would be lost |
| 15:51.05 | netcrash | Hello, is there a file like rc.local(slackware) in debian ? |
| 15:51.06 | troubled | Lou80: the bs=1M is just more for effeciency than anyways so it doesnt do small 1byte at a time since i dont know what dd defaults too |
| 15:51.48 | netcrash | Hello, is there a file like rc.local(slackware) in debian ( a file to execute your own code on system startup ) ? |
| 15:52.08 | stew | netcrash: /msg dpkg rc.local |
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| 15:52.16 | troubled | azeem: if they burn that image file to cd as is, there should be no reason why they cant dd the image back directly from cd |
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| 15:52.32 | enouf | Lou80 : just to clarify some things for ya (hopefully) - hda1-4 are Primary partitions, or 3 Pri + 1 Extended (If one Ext'd, then it's hda4), and if using an Ext'd that where the Logicals are contained (hda5/6/7/8->whatever) .. you can verify/ID the partition types using 'Fdisk -l /dev/hda' as root -- cfdisk is great and will show mucho info once inside, but doesn't show any Ext'd (that may exist) unless you tell it to |
| 15:52.37 | archonel | hi, i get this error atal: open database /etc/postfix/virtusertable.db: Invalid argument |
| 15:52.37 | azeem | troubled: if you give people an .iso, they assume it is a CD image |
| 15:52.37 | troubled | azeem: its just like using tar with a tape drive or tar directly to floppy without a filesystem |
| 15:52.37 | dazjorz | azeem: you have a graphical (X-window) IRC client? |
| 15:52.41 | azeem | troubled: which it isn#t |
| 15:52.47 | archonel | i generated virtual..db with makedb |
| 15:52.54 | Lou80 | troubled, doing the dd now... will run "file /path/to/my/image.iso!" when it finishes |
| 15:52.55 | archonel | is this the problem ? |
| 15:52.56 | azeem | dazjorz: no |
| 15:53.16 | Lou80 | enouf yeah cfdisk showed nothing |
| 15:53.25 | troubled | azeem: true, its not an iso in the sense that it will be globally readable by every os, but it is a perfect raw image that will be readable by linux i promise |
| 15:53.38 | azeem | troubled: only if you loop-mount it |
| 15:53.41 | azeem | or dd it back |
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| 15:53.48 | enouf | Lou80: Nothing ? .. :-( that ain't right .. you need to be root and also selct the /dev/hdX |
| 15:53.52 | archonel | hwo can i generate /virtusertable on debian ? |
| 15:53.53 | enouf | select* |
| 15:53.57 | archonel | i do not have makemap |
| 15:54.07 | troubled | azeem: thats what im saying, dd it back. who cares is bob who steals your cd image cant figure out how to mount it |
| 15:54.08 | Lou80 | i did but it was all zeros in the table |
| 15:54.30 | azeem | troubled: you usually do not have to "dd it back" in order to use an .iso burnt to a CD |
| 15:54.30 | troubled | Lou80: cfdisk showed no part table? |
| 15:54.34 | azeem | you can just mount it as CD |
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| 15:55.04 | Lou80 | let me paste bin it |
| 15:55.07 | troubled | azeem: the problem with that is you could potentially loose fs info if you convert to say rockridge |
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| 15:55.16 | azeem | troubled: sure |
| 15:55.17 | troubled | azeem: i prefer to work with raw images myself |
| 15:55.22 | archonel | guys, can anyone help ? |
| 15:55.29 | wsjunior | what do i have to install to be able to record and erase dvdrw? |
| 15:55.36 | azeem | troubled: that is fine, just don't call them .iso, OK? |
| 15:55.42 | azeem | at least not in here |
| 15:55.55 | azeem | .iso are not used for backup purposes |
| 15:55.58 | troubled | azeem: hehe, thats what its about iusnt it :) sorry that was a my bad. more habit |
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| 15:56.18 | troubled | azeem: just easier to call it iso than raw image |
| 15:56.28 | wsjunior | i have dvd+rw-tools but i cant erase any dvdrw here :( |
| 15:56.36 | wsjunior | could anybody help me with this issue? |
| 15:56.42 | azeem | 17:34 < azeem> if you make clear this is not the case, fine. But maybe use an extension like .img next time |
| 15:57.05 | troubled | yes, .img is what i usually use to think of it, sorry on the .iso hehe |
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| 15:57.27 | troubled | regardless, the image will burn to any block device, be it tape, floppy, hard drive or cdr |
| 15:57.32 | archonel | who knows how to generate virtusertable.db on debian ? please advise |
| 15:57.35 | Lou80 | http://pastebin.ca/149110 |
| 15:57.59 | troubled | Lou80: hehe, no, cfdisk /dev/hda not hda4 |
| 15:58.15 | Lou80 | guys the .iso is the extension I used, will dd be able to copy it back? |
| 15:58.18 | troubled | a partition should contain a partition table hehe |
| 15:58.23 | Lou80 | troubled just wait |
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| 15:58.26 | troubled | Lou80: yes |
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| 15:58.29 | zenwryly | my editor through alternatives is emacs-snapshot which leaves the editor.1.gz man page a dangling link. It works find if editor is nano, editor.1.gz point to the nano man page. 1) Is there somewhere I should file this as a bug? 2) What's the most "proper" way to work around this for now? |
| 15:58.40 | troubled | Lou80: dd if=/path/to/file.img of=/dev/hda4 |
| 15:58.44 | Bushmills | troubled, a *partition* ?? |
| 15:59.08 | troubled | Lou80: just when you restore it, make SURE you use /dev/hda4 and not /dev/hda! or you blow the partition tables and mbr and everything |
| 15:59.48 | Lou80 | http://pastebin.ca/149118 |
| 16:00.00 | troubled | Bushmills: dont ask hehe. just easier in his setup since other parts are in use |
| 16:00.53 | troubled | Lou80: you are using hda4 right? im not seeing any partition table at all! wtf hehe |
| 16:00.57 | wsjunior | how do i erase an cdrw? |
| 16:01.18 | troubled | Lou80: if cfdisk isnt showing a table, i wouldnt trust that .img until you mount it loopback and verify it |
| 16:01.29 | Lou80 | help how do i empty gnomes wastebin without a right mouse button?? |
| 16:01.58 | troubled | Lou80: basically, dd gets the size limits for the file based on what size hda4 is in the part table. if that info is wrong, so too will your img file |
| 16:02.07 | Lou80 | i'm about to crash... |
| 16:02.11 | Bushmills | wsjunior: cdrecord blank=... |
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| 16:02.25 | wsjunior | Bushmills: ...?! |
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| 16:02.44 | Bushmills | wsjunior: man cdrecord shows you all blanking types |
| 16:03.06 | wsjunior | Error trying to open /dev/cdrom exclusively (Device or resource busy) |
| 16:03.25 | wsjunior | it is not busy |
| 16:03.27 | Bushmills | wsjunior: Device or resource bus |
| 16:03.30 | troubled | wsjunior: is it mounted? |
| 16:03.31 | Bushmills | y |
| 16:03.35 | elias_ | what is the best supported wlan chipset in sid? where everything just works. |
| 16:03.41 | wsjunior | troubled: how could i know? |
| 16:03.47 | troubled | wsjunior: type mount |
| 16:03.57 | Bushmills | elias_: the prism chips are supported pretty well |
| 16:04.05 | wsjunior | troubled: and now? |
| 16:04.07 | troubled | wsjunior: better yet, umount /dev/cdrom (or whatever you call it) |
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| 16:04.25 | troubled | wsjunior: try again after that? (no promises) |
| 16:04.43 | wsjunior | hum.. |
| 16:04.47 | wsjunior | lets see.. |
| 16:04.49 | troubled | Lou80: figure out where your part table went yet? |
| 16:04.52 | elias_ | Bushmills: but prism54 seems to be work in progress |
| 16:04.56 | wsjunior | This drive or media does not support the 'BLANK media' command |
| 16:04.59 | elias_ | what about atheros? |
| 16:05.01 | wsjunior | cdrecord: Cannot blank disk, aborting. |
| 16:05.08 | wsjunior | damn it is a cdrw |
| 16:05.19 | Bushmills | elias_: could be. i thought of prism2, prism2.5, prism3 |
| 16:05.19 | wsjunior | i used to blank it with ubuntu... |
| 16:05.23 | troubled | wsjunior: is the drive a cdrw? |
| 16:05.28 | troubled | nm... |
| 16:05.30 | wsjunior | troubled: surely |
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| 16:05.40 | Lou80 | no troubled |
| 16:05.44 | troubled | wsjunior: no doubt it would be anyways hehe |
| 16:06.00 | troubled | Lou80: try fdisk /dev/hda, then hit p (print table) |
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| 16:06.27 | wsjunior | troubled: it is. and used to work with other distros.. |
| 16:06.28 | troubled | Lou80: you really gotta find your partition table before you start throwing dd commands around or you could backup nothingness eheh |
| 16:06.40 | wsjunior | troubled: cdrecord -scanbus doesnt recognize it.. |
| 16:06.48 | wsjunior | cdrecord: Found DVD+ media but DVD+R/DVD+RW support code is missing. |
| 16:06.59 | Lou80 | troubled: i unmounted that partition that's why!!! ??? |
| 16:07.01 | wsjunior | wtf that means? |
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| 16:07.34 | troubled | wsjunior: i had some issues with my burner_s_ in etch for rw's too. but as root i was finally able to get one to blank once (stopped working after i wrote something too it though) |
| 16:07.54 | wsjunior | :( |
| 16:07.58 | wsjunior | im in etch too |
| 16:08.06 | troubled | Lou80: umounting the partition wouldnt affect the display of the part table for sure |
| 16:08.24 | troubled | Lou80: it may have been an issue with cfdisk though as opposed to fdisk |
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| 16:08.48 | Bushmills | blanking cdrw and misc dvd works fine with sid |
| 16:08.54 | Lou80 | fdisk /dev/hda > http://pastebin.ca/149130 |
| 16:08.58 | Bushmills | using dvdrecord |
| 16:09.04 | troubled | Lou80: you see my friend, linux would surely grind to a halt or simeply not boot if your part showed all 0's on startup |
| 16:09.04 | wsjunior | troubled: cdrecord: This version of cdrecord does not include DVD-R/DVD-RW support code. |
| 16:09.17 | Bushmills | wsjunior: try dvdrecord |
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| 16:09.32 | wsjunior | Bushmills: lets try.. |
| 16:09.55 | troubled | Lou80: that looks much better |
| 16:10.04 | wsjunior | Bushmills: there isnt such package |
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| 16:10.38 | Bushmills | wsjunior: it is a fork of cdrecord, when cdrecord started to have license issues |
| 16:10.50 | troubled | Lou80: now, to address the size issue...gonna wanna pipe that to gzip |
| 16:11.03 | Lou80 | yeah |
| 16:11.14 | Lou80 | let me try and work it out! |
| 16:11.24 | troubled | Lou80: something like: dd if=/dev/hda4 | gzip -9 - > file.img? |
| 16:11.24 | abrotman | troubled: /msg dpkg fishing :) |
| 16:11.30 | Lou80 | k |
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| 16:11.53 | Bushmills | wsjunior: package name is dvdrtools |
| 16:12.04 | abrotman | dvdrwtools? |
| 16:12.09 | troubled | msg dpkg fishing |
| 16:12.17 | Lou80 | is there meant to be a - after the 9? |
| 16:12.21 | Bushmills | dvdrtools: /usr/bin/dvdrecord |
| 16:12.29 | wsjunior | it doesnt exists |
| 16:12.51 | wsjunior | i cant find it |
| 16:12.53 | troubled | :) |
| 16:13.06 | troubled | Lou80: yes, - == stdin |
| 16:13.13 | Bushmills | wsjunior: sarge? etch? sid? |
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| 16:13.22 | wsjunior | etch |
| 16:13.29 | Lou80 | k |
| 16:13.47 | wsjunior | its totally broken.. i cant even install gnome-desktop-environment |
| 16:13.54 | wsjunior | amd64 |
| 16:14.14 | abrotman | !install gnome |
| 16:14.15 | dpkg | To install gnome on sarge or later, install gnome to install everything, install gnome-desktop-environment to install slightly less stuff, or install gnome-core to install even less, you will need x installed to use gnome, ask me about <set up x> |
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| 16:14.45 | abrotman | wsjunior: start smaller .. work your way up |
| 16:14.47 | wsjunior | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:14.48 | Bushmills | wsjunior: can't help you - dvdrtools appears to be in etch. |
| 16:14.56 | abrotman | !info libcairo2 etch |
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| 16:15.06 | wsjunior | Bushmills: not for amd64 |
| 16:15.11 | cyzie | anybody can recommend a light weight eye candy software? what i mean by eye candy software is something like gdesklets. but i dont like gkrellm. please recomend. |
| 16:15.13 | Bushmills | ah |
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| 16:15.50 | wsjunior | abrotman: aptitude install gnome just tell me to remove a lot of packages |
| 16:15.58 | Bushmills | cyzie: what desktop you use? |
| 16:15.59 | freegan-bh | I'm trying to mount a device through /dev/loop0 on initrd at boottime, with a custom 2.6.17 kernel, but it always complains about /dev/loop0 no such device. Is it possible that the kernel was compiled without support for loopback devices on the initrd? Help someone? |
| 16:16.04 | abrotman | wsjunior: so try gnome-core .. or just remove them .. |
| 16:16.16 | wsjunior | abrotman: i cant install it too |
| 16:16.16 | cyzie | Bushmills, xfce |
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| 16:16.36 | Bushmills | cyzie: look at adesklets |
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| 16:16.52 | Lou80 | "dd if=/dev/hda4 | gzip -9 - > /home/pp/hda4.img" no file has appeared yet (unlike the first time) |
| 16:16.52 | wsjunior | abrotman: it returns the same problem with libcairo2 |
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| 16:17.02 | wsjunior | abrotman: it seems it is the cause of the problem |
| 16:17.28 | wsjunior | abrotman: gnome gnome-core and gnome-desktop-environment returns the error with libcairo |
| 16:17.31 | cyzie | Bushmills, thanks. checking. any others? |
| 16:17.45 | Bushmills | cyzie: xteddy :) |
| 16:17.57 | Lou80 | its working... |
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| 16:18.50 | Tallu | I think I'm going to do a reinstall and set everything up once more just to properly get the hang of it |
| 16:18.52 | cyzie | Bushmills, woot! thanks |
| 16:18.58 | Lou80 | Troubled |
| 16:19.05 | troubled | yo |
| 16:19.18 | Lou80 | if i used "dd if=/dev/hda4 | gzip -9 - > /home/pp/hda4.img" how would I restore it later on? |
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| 16:19.33 | opaadam | hi all... |
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| 16:19.57 | cyzie | Bushmills, nice..but that teddy is not doing something...wont apt-get it :D |
| 16:20.09 | troubled | Lou80: something like: zcat file.img | dd of=/dev/hda4 |
| 16:20.23 | Bushmills | cyzie: you said "candy", not "doing anything useful" |
| 16:20.59 | cyzie | Bushmills, well..yea.... but gdesklets do provide me with system info :) .. anyway, candy is sweeeet :D |
| 16:21.06 | troubled | Lou80: think im forgetting a - in there after hda4 though |
| 16:21.18 | troubled | Lou80: cant remember if dd assumes stdin |
| 16:21.26 | stew | troubled: it does |
| 16:21.34 | troubled | stew: ty |
| 16:21.54 | Lou80 | troubled, so "zcat file.img | dd of=/dev/hda4" will do it? |
| 16:22.00 | stew | you could also just gzip file.img > /dev/hda4 |
| 16:22.04 | stew | err |
| 16:22.10 | stew | s/gzip/zcat/ |
| 16:22.30 | troubled | Lou80: believe so |
| 16:22.36 | Lou80 | thanks |
| 16:22.54 | troubled | stew: good point hehe, keep forgetting its just a raw image :) thanks |
| 16:22.56 | Tallu | Hey umm, is there a way for me to automatically set up quota on newly created users? |
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| 16:23.46 | troubled | Lou80: heck, really you could just gzip the /dev/hda4 directly to a file and skip dd. its one of those 101 ways to use block devices tutorials :) |
| 16:24.20 | troubled | Lou80: now remember, you MUST HAVE THE SAME EXACT SIZE OR LARGE PARTITION BEFORE RESTORE |
| 16:24.34 | netcrash | thank you stew |
| 16:24.35 | troubled | Lou80: if you dont, the tail end of your fs will get cut off |
| 16:24.43 | Lou80 | ah cool, it amazes me how everything is a file |
| 16:24.56 | troubled | Lou80: ya, kinda neat if you ask me |
| 16:25.10 | zinx | too bad network devices aren't files |
| 16:25.12 | troubled | Lou80: really, there is no diff between tap, floppy, or hd |
| 16:25.15 | stew | yes "dd if=/dev/hda4 | gzip -9 - > /home/pp/hda4.img" and "gzip -9 -c /dev/hda4 > /home/pp/hda4.img" do the same thing |
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| 16:25.46 | dazjorz_ | Hey |
| 16:26.23 | troubled | Lou80: guess im just used to tape drives. you just tar directly too it, theres no mkfs on it hehe. the same holds true with floppys. Who says you need to mkfs them? lol thats only to make it available to noobs ;p |
| 16:26.36 | roxy_ | I have to install a new production server. JBoss and MySQL will be installed.What is the best way to install jdk on a production server? |
| 16:26.47 | troubled | Lou80: real guru's just tar directly to floppy. keeps snoops out usually hehe |
| 16:27.42 | Bushmills | i'm mounting several hosts with sshfs on one machine, which in turn export through nfs. can i make somehow the sshfs mounts visible on a machine where i mount the nfs export from that machine (with the sshfs mounts below)? |
| 16:27.52 | troubled | Lou80: you just gotta run file -s /dev/fd0, and it tells your that its a tar archive instead of a fs like ext2. in turn you read it back accordingly. eg: tar cvf /dev/fd0 /somedir/to/save and restore with: tar xvf /dev/fd0 |
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| 16:29.08 | azeem | Lou80: your sarge installation was corrupted and he wanted to reinstall, right? |
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| 16:29.23 | troubled | Lou80: also, for security, to wipe something (simple wipe, not DoD style), use dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/fd0 or /dev/hda |
| 16:29.51 | troubled | Lou80: mind you, /dev/zero probably faster since wiping a hd will kil your entrophy |
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| 16:30.19 | Lou80 | ah, pretty cool I quite into crypto stuff... |
| 16:30.24 | stew | troubled: and "cp /dev/zero /dev/fd0" works :) |
| 16:30.30 | archonel | how do i enable plaintext login for uw-imapd_2002edebian1-11sarge1_i386.deb ? |
| 16:31.41 | dn4 | go to google and type in failure, please not the first entry |
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| 16:31.41 | Lou80 | archonel does it take u into gnome automatically? |
| 16:31.42 | archonel | no |
| 16:31.42 | archonel | squirrelmail gives me this error |
| 16:31.58 | Lou80 | ah, i'm a noob anyways... |
| 16:31.59 | troubled | Lou80: (note: only reason /dev/zero isnt enough is something to do with hd encodings not storing the binary data exactly as you saved it, rather its staggers and encoded in a more effecient manner, but a manner which still leaves ghost bits around that are readible with proper tools. dod wipes using enough patterns to exhaust all combinations of encodings and enough times as to get rid of it iirc) |
| 16:32.02 | oiad | does apt-get purge deinstall all the dependencies? |
| 16:32.07 | azeem | oiad: no |
| 16:32.16 | oiad | so what does? |
| 16:32.17 | troubled | stew: thanks again :) I think I just like using dd thats all hehe |
| 16:32.29 | azeem | oiad: aptitude might |
| 16:32.35 | azeem | oiad: but only if you use consistenly |
| 16:32.39 | archonel | any hints ? |
| 16:32.43 | opaadam | how do I change the screensize in xFree86 (i have installed the nvidia one liner) ? |
| 16:32.46 | oiad | thanks azeem |
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| 16:32.55 | bbelt16ag | hello i got a question, one sof those advanced questions i suppose. |
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| 16:33.11 | troubled | Lou80: into crypto? cool :) losetup is your friend |
| 16:33.22 | Bushmills | opaadam: screensize or resolution? screen *size* by getting another screen ... |
| 16:33.28 | dbe | which package is required to run make-kpkg for Linux? |
| 16:33.45 | bbelt16ag | if i compile a package from source on a ppc will that make it for ppc or do i have to have specific stuff inside the program to make it work for ppc? |
| 16:33.48 | Lou80 | troubled: i did mostly math at uni |
| 16:33.50 | azeem | dbe: kernel-package |
| 16:33.55 | dbe | azeem, Thanks |
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| 16:34.10 | opaadam | hehe, resolution.. the screensize-applet only offers 800x600 max but I have a screen that can do 1024x768 |
| 16:34.18 | azeem | bbelt16ag: it compiles for the computer you are on by default |
| 16:34.32 | bbelt16ag | but there is no version of ppc for rar.. so would that work? |
| 16:34.34 | troubled | Lou80: in the future, you could make a loopback image ahead of time big enough to store the data, but make it encrypted and save that instead |
| 16:34.45 | Bushmills | opaadam: ctrl-alt-minus or plus, or edit /etc/X11/XF86Config |
| 16:34.50 | bbelt16ag | i bet its gonna barf on me :( |
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| 16:35.01 | troubled | Lou80: also, you may wish to keep a md5sum of your img handy to verify its integrity |
| 16:35.14 | Lou80 | yeah good idea!! |
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| 16:35.20 | opaadam | bushmills... - this just doesn't do the trick... |
| 16:35.30 | troubled | stew: btw, wouldnt cp /dev/zero /dev/fd0 overwrite the dev and not perform the copy? :/ |
| 16:36.02 | troubled | Lou80: md5sum file.img > checksum.md5 |
| 16:36.08 | azeem | bbelt16ag: there is 'unrar-free' in testing and unstable which is available for powerpc |
| 16:36.31 | bbelt16ag | right but no rar alas |
| 16:36.37 | lhds | to run fluxbox i have to install xserver-xfree86 and all the packages that comes with it right? what else? |
| 16:36.43 | troubled | Lou80: actually, when checking md5's, it assumes a default filename, you may wanna check it and rename the .md5 file to that to save a step when comparing |
| 16:36.46 | stew | troubled: no, it writes zeros to /dev/fd0 until the device is filled |
| 16:36.50 | opaadam | Bushmills, there is a line to reconfigure XF86 I forgot how to ask dpkg... |
| 16:36.53 | azeem | bbelt16ag: do you need rar or unrar? |
| 16:36.59 | bbelt16ag | rar.. |
| 16:37.02 | troubled | cp: overwrite `/dev/fd0'? |
| 16:37.06 | azeem | oiad: pkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:37.10 | azeem | eh |
| 16:37.11 | Bushmills | lhds: consider to install xorg instead of xfree-86 |
| 16:37.12 | Lou80 | thanks |
| 16:37.19 | azeem | opaadam: pkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 16:37.20 | bbelt16ag | i would like to run rar on my ppc server, instread of using my cpu and ram for it on this box |
| 16:37.21 | azeem | blah |
| 16:37.25 | azeem | oiad: sorry |
| 16:37.28 | troubled | stew: cp wont dereference the dev by default i dont think |
| 16:37.28 | oiad | np |
| 16:37.31 | Bushmills | opaadam, just edit the config file |
| 16:37.35 | Bushmills | using a text editor |
| 16:37.45 | azeem | Bushmills: that will get him into trouble when he upgrades |
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| 16:38.00 | opaadam | azeem: I think you mean dpkg --reconfigure... |
| 16:38.10 | azeem | opaadam: no |
| 16:38.13 | azeem | opaadam: I mean dpkg-reconfigure |
| 16:38.27 | bbelt16ag | .. |
| 16:38.33 | lhds | Bushmills whats the name of the package? |
| 16:38.44 | stew | troubled: it will, i do this all of the time with usb thumbdrives |
| 16:38.57 | bbelt16ag | allright time to play everquest |
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| 16:39.00 | Bushmills | lhds: xorg |
| 16:39.14 | troubled | stew: ah cool, sorry, just cp setup alias to cp -i so im not use to the confirmation hehe, let me test it |
| 16:39.18 | lhds | apt-get install xorg no such file |
| 16:39.30 | Bushmills | lhds, sarge? |
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| 16:39.46 | lhds | aha |
| 16:39.55 | troubled | stew: hehe, guess it makes sence being a dev file. just paranoid of destroying them :) |
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| 16:40.22 | lhds | can you check it in synaptic please? |
| 16:40.29 | lhds | or something? |
| 16:41.00 | lhds | xserver-xorg? |
| 16:41.02 | neenaoffline | thanks guys , I'm apt-getting xserver-xorg right now! :) |
| 16:41.18 | opaadam | lhds try apt-cache search xserver-xorg |
| 16:41.34 | lhds | k |
| 16:41.52 | troubled | Lou80: so, that file ever finish copying? or it still hard at it? |
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| 16:42.06 | Lou80 | still at it :-) |
| 16:42.15 | lhds | nothing |
| 16:42.16 | dazjorz_ | hmm |
| 16:42.20 | dazjorz_ | when my laptop starts |
| 16:42.29 | dazjorz_ | I get an error message from the sound server |
| 16:42.30 | lhds | it does not react |
| 16:42.33 | troubled | Lou80: next time add the word: 'time' in front of the command for curiosity sake |
| 16:42.40 | dazjorz_ | device /dev/dsp can't be opened, permission denied |
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| 16:42.47 | dazjorz_ | how do i fix that? |
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| 16:43.11 | azeem | dazjorz_: are you in group audio? |
| 16:43.13 | lhds | thanx anyway ill manage |
| 16:43.15 | azeem | dazjorz_: run `groups'* |
| 16:43.19 | Lou80 | as in "time dd if=/dev/hda4 | gzip -9 - > /home/pp/hda4.img"?? |
| 16:43.20 | azeem | without the * :) |
| 16:43.38 | azeem | Lou80: what are you trying to do? |
| 16:43.41 | dazjorz_ | azeem: dazjorz dialout cdrom floppy audio video plugdev |
| 16:43.45 | azeem | ok |
| 16:43.47 | troubled | Lou80: really you may not have needed to gzip the file, since I think the os would store it as a sparse file and this show it being 11g even though it only takes up 1.5gig of real space, but the way you did it probably better off |
| 16:43.57 | troubled | Lou80: ya |
| 16:44.06 | troubled | Lou80: try it: time updatedb |
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| 16:44.18 | dazjorz_ | azeem: ls -l /dev/dsp gives: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-08-25 18:15 dsp |
| 16:44.28 | lhds | its x-window-server |
| 16:44.31 | azeem | dazjorz_: why is that? |
| 16:44.34 | Lou80 | azeem: just backing up a fresh install of debian... working well |
| 16:44.40 | dazjorz_ | azeem: that's what i'm asking you :P |
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| 16:45.08 | troubled | Lou80: next ill teach you a more accepted way of doing what your doing hehe |
| 16:45.16 | Lou80 | :-) |
| 16:45.19 | troubled | Lou80: tar is your friend |
| 16:45.20 | dazjorz_ | azeem: so /dev/dsp exists, it's owned by root:root, not the group audio |
| 16:45.27 | azeem | Lou80: why? |
| 16:45.29 | dazjorz_ | azeem: want me to chown it to root:audio ? |
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| 16:45.35 | azeem | dazjorz_: did you change it? |
| 16:45.41 | azeem | dazjorz_: are you running udev? |
| 16:45.42 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I didn't do anything =\ |
| 16:45.46 | dazjorz_ | azeem: Yeah, I think so |
| 16:45.46 | troubled | Lou80: tar is handy since you can easily access your data |
| 16:45.58 | Bushmills | i guess, it didn't exist before you tried to redirect a file to /dev/dsp as root |
| 16:46.02 | Lou80 | azeem: so i can install debian without being connected to the internet |
| 16:46.16 | azeem | Bushmills: good call |
| 16:46.21 | Bushmills | lok whether /dev/dsp is a character device |
| 16:46.23 | Bushmills | look |
| 16:46.27 | azeem | Bushmills: see above |
| 16:46.29 | azeem | 18:37 < dazjorz_> azeem: ls -l /dev/dsp gives: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2006-08-25 |
| 16:46.41 | Lou80 | i'm probably going to break it a few times in the near future |
| 16:46.42 | Bushmills | delete it |
| 16:46.44 | azeem | dazjorz_: why do you need /dev/dsp? |
| 16:46.45 | Bushmills | it is a file |
| 16:46.55 | dazjorz_ | azeem: no idea, that's just the error X (or the sound server) is giving me |
| 16:46.59 | kingsley | Can gnome automatically logout after a certain period of inactivity? |
| 16:47.10 | azeem | dazjorz_: delete /dev/dsp |
| 16:47.15 | azeem | dazjorz_: which sound server are you using? |
| 16:47.22 | troubled | anyone know if dd/gzip has issues with > 2gig files? |
| 16:47.30 | dazjorz_ | azeem: really, I have no idea, I didn't change anything |
| 16:47.34 | dazjorz_ | azeem: i'm using debian etch |
| 16:47.36 | Lou80 | LOL |
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| 16:47.38 | dazjorz_ | azeem: that's all I know |
| 16:47.57 | azeem | dazjorz_: you probably did something like "cat foo.mp3 > /dev/dsp" |
| 16:48.09 | azeem | or maybe not |
| 16:48.09 | Lou80 | its still chugging away at 2.3GB... |
| 16:48.15 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I didn't do anything! |
| 16:48.18 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I just got that error |
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| 16:48.29 | grendal_prime | hey, i changed the hostname of a server from servername to servername.com when i log in via ssh though i still get the prompt reading user@servername without the .com on it?? |
| 16:48.29 | azeem | dazjorz_: chill |
| 16:48.33 | grendal_prime | anyone on that? |
| 16:48.33 | frog_racer | hey |
| 16:48.34 | dazjorz_ | azeem: and I can't hear any sounds, that's all I know about it |
| 16:48.41 | azeem | dazjorz_: what does "lsmod | grep snd" say? |
| 16:48.53 | dazjorz_ | azeem: nothing |
| 16:48.58 | azeem | dazjorz_: which version of Debian are you running, what does uname -r say? |
| 16:49.07 | troubled | Lou80: :) better to find out now hehe. almost positive dd is safe, but im not sure about certain older versions of tar or gzip with big files. thats why most people pipe the img trough split |
| 16:49.10 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: also execute hostname newname.com |
| 16:49.22 | dazjorz_ | azeem: Debian Etch, 2.6.17.8 (compiled that myself because I needed the kernel bcm43xx drivers) |
| 16:49.22 | grendal_prime | thanks |
| 16:49.29 | Bushmills | grendal_prime: /etc/hostname is read during boot only |
| 16:49.32 | dazjorz_ | azeem: yeah, maybe I didn't enable something in the kernel |
| 16:49.35 | Lou80 | what's split? |
| 16:49.41 | dazjorz_ | azeem: sec, lemme boot up xconfig |
| 16:49.48 | Lou80 | segmenter? |
| 16:49.50 | troubled | Lou80: splits stdin into certain sized files |
| 16:49.53 | azeem | dazjorz_: oh, you compiled yourself? |
| 16:49.58 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I had to |
| 16:50.00 | troubled | Lou80: ya, like 1.44, or 650 or 700mb |
| 16:50.11 | azeem | dazjorz_: what does "lsmod | grep sound" say? |
| 16:50.17 | dazjorz_ | azeem: same, nothing |
| 16:50.23 | azeem | dazjorz_: that's why |
| 16:50.31 | dazjorz_ | azeem: yeah, i guessed |
| 16:50.32 | azeem | dazjorz_: what does "ps aux | grep udev" say? |
| 16:50.41 | dn4 | http://newgrounds.com/portal/view/145474 <-- God an IRC story! |
| 16:50.42 | azeem | does it mention udevd? |
| 16:50.59 | azeem | dn4: you're off-topic |
| 16:51.03 | dazjorz_ | azeem: two things, udevd --daemon and grep udev |
| 16:51.06 | azeem | ok |
| 16:51.07 | troubled | Lou80: i know i had issues with something like gzip in the past trying to read huge multi gig files back in the days. but that was only cause those tools werent compiled against newer kernel headers for > 32bit files |
| 16:51.24 | dn4 | azeem, since when have I ever been on topic? |
| 16:51.28 | azeem | dazjorz_: so either modprobe the appropriate sound modules (if you have them), or build a kernel with the proper config |
| 16:51.33 | azeem | dazjorz_: and remove /dev/dsp |
| 16:51.40 | azeem | dn4: I don't know |
| 16:51.47 | digits | how do i get a list of all installed packages? |
| 16:51.50 | dazjorz_ | azeem: how would I see what sound modules I need ? |
| 16:51.54 | azeem | dn4: I'm just telling you we'll not tolerate being off-topic all the time |
| 16:51.56 | Bushmills | digits: dpkg -l |
| 16:51.58 | dazjorz_ | azeem: on the old kernel, it completely works |
| 16:52.08 | azeem | dazjorz_: so why did you recompile? |
| 16:52.16 | azeem | dazjorz_: I don't know, maybe check the old config |
| 16:52.23 | Bushmills | digits: dpkg -l | grep ^ii |
| 16:52.23 | dazjorz_ | azeem: by the way, lspci says: 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801DB/DBL/DBM (ICH4/ICH4-L/ICH4-M) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 01) |
| 16:52.30 | troubled | Lou80: basically what I do to avoid issues with any os or software is to just tar the whole system and pipe it through gzip/bzip and then through split to put it all into 1gig or 2gig files |
| 16:52.32 | digits | Bushmills: doh, i knew that... time for more coffee ;) |
| 16:52.44 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I recompiled a new version, because I needed the bcm43xx (wireless) driver |
| 16:52.58 | azeem | dazjorz_: what version did you have before? |
| 16:53.03 | dazjorz_ | azeem: 2.6.8 |
| 16:53.09 | azeem | dazjorz_: etch has 2.6.16 |
| 16:53.15 | azeem | dazjorz_: I recommend you try the stock kernel |
| 16:53.16 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I really need 2.6.17 |
| 16:53.20 | azeem | if you really run etch |
| 16:53.22 | troubled | Lou80: works the same too, just adds extra step like cat *.img.* | ...., since it makes like file.img.aa file.img.ab file.img.ac....etc |
| 16:53.24 | Lou80 | i'll try that sometime and burn onto CDs |
| 16:53.38 | dazjorz_ | azeem: please, everything works now except for the sound |
| 16:53.39 | azeem | dazjorz_: is bcm43xx in 2.6.17? |
| 16:53.48 | dazjorz_ | azeem: I don't mind recompiling it one more time just for the sound modules |
| 16:53.58 | azeem | dazjorz_: ok |
| 16:54.04 | azeem | dazjorz_: just compile them all |
| 16:54.06 | azeem | as modules |
| 16:54.12 | dazjorz_ | azeem: and I have to compile it myself too |
| 16:54.14 | troubled | Lou80: keep in mind that if you copied each file to cd, you would have to restore all the cd's to hd before you extract them |
| 16:54.19 | dazjorz_ | azeem: because I needed to apply a bcm43xx injection patch |
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| 16:54.41 | dazjorz_ | azeem: bcm43xx is by default in 2.6.17 |
| 16:54.43 | troubled | Lou80: only cause dd or gzip generally dont know that you need to change the disk to continue (tar i know can handle it though) |
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| 16:55.20 | azeem | dazjorz_: I see |
| 16:55.25 | troubled | Lou80: but really your better of with a less complicated extraction, or else you be better off using tar from the get go with 400 options to exclude dir's and such |
| 16:56.29 | dazjorz_ | azeem: i'll check the kernel configuration and make modules, make modules_install and depmod then reboot, i'll check if it works then |
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| 16:56.42 | azeem | dazjorz_: no need to reboot |
| 16:56.49 | dazjorz_ | azeem: do you know what module to enable in the kernel configuration? |
| 16:56.51 | azeem | dazjorz_: restarting udev should be enough IMHO |
| 16:56.53 | dazjorz_ | azeem: ok, nice |
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| 16:57.02 | troubled | Lou80: advantage of tar being its easy to view your archive compared to the way we are doing it now. now you need to extract the gzip img first, then mount it loopback. a pain to say the least |
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| 16:57.04 | azeem | dazjorz_: no, I'm not compiling kernels anymore |
| 16:57.09 | azeem | at least not Linux |
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| 16:57.44 | dazjorz_ | ok |
| 16:58.01 | lhds | is ubuntu better than debian? your comments please |
| 16:58.06 | azeem | lhds: this question is off-topic here |
| 16:58.11 | azeem | lhds: please ask elsewhere |
| 16:58.27 | lhds | whynot? i am running both |
| 16:58.35 | lhds | but i am not an experienced user |
| 16:58.36 | troubled | Lou80: well, i hope your absorbing all this np |
| 16:58.43 | azeem | lhds: this channel is for user support, not distribution discussions, sorry |
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| 16:58.47 | dazjorz_ | lhds: I think ubuntu is better for people new to linnux |
| 16:59.07 | lhds | okay azeem 3ouzran i am sorry |
| 16:59.14 | troubled | Lou80: sorry for being too thorough, but I dont wish for you to get stuck with a backup that only you and I know how to restore hehe |
| 16:59.32 | lhds | is it a bit buggy? ubuntu? or its just me? |
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| 17:00.04 | dazjorz_ | lhds: yeah, i've found some problems over the time, but ubuntu support is in #ubuntu, not #debian |
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| 17:00.36 | lhds | lol |
| 17:00.39 | lhds | yeah no problem |
| 17:00.46 | dazjorz_ | lhds, sorry, it's the rules :( |
| 17:01.04 | lhds | i am installing debian i was looking forward to this since many years |
| 17:01.07 | Lou80 | troubled don't worry I'm following most of this |
| 17:01.18 | lhds | but now after ubuntu i think i can hit it finally |
| 17:01.27 | lhds | discussion closed |
| 17:01.29 | dazjorz_ | lhds: ubuntu is a lot like debian |
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| 17:02.12 | troubled | Lou80: cool. I figure its good to know anyways. besides, as long as you have the space to work with the img, its format is really irrelavent |
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| 17:02.52 | lhds | how to setup xfree? and how to run it |
| 17:03.31 | stew | lhds: do you intend to run gnome or kde or <somethingelse>? |
| 17:03.56 | lhds | fluxbox |
| 17:04.14 | lhds | i did apt get inst fluxbox |
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| 17:04.24 | troubled | Lou80: also worth note, when you dd a whole filesystem, always make sure its unmounted. if its a mounted journaled fs, you may get an uncleanly umounted error every time you restore the image. or worse yet, you you recently changed the fs before you dd it and it syncs, you could get inconsistant data. dd method is more of a forensic style backup that doesnt alter the fs |
| 17:04.42 | troubled | s/you you/if you/ |
| 17:04.51 | dazjorz_ | lhds: do you have x-window installed? |
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| 17:05.30 | LinuxMafia | hi all |
| 17:05.36 | Lou80 | dd would probably work with a mac HFS+ partition then |
| 17:05.53 | LinuxMafia | all : any one know how to extract the audio from swf file? |
| 17:05.55 | troubled | Lou80: dd will copy and block device _perfectly_ without exception |
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| 17:06.17 | lhds | okay xwindow system is like x.org? isnt it the same? |
| 17:06.25 | lhds | x-window-system |
| 17:06.48 | dazjorz_ | lhds: as far as i know, it's very related, about the same, but you can choose between xorg and xfree86 =\ |
| 17:06.51 | troubled | Lou80: you just have to make sure that nothing else is using the device at the same time your backing it up. be no diff if you have external scsi attached to two machines at same time. obviously only one should be altering drive at any time |
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| 17:07.04 | troubled | err s/and/any/ ^^^ |
| 17:07.22 | lhds | i will check on that |
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| 17:07.42 | lhds | anyway incase of error ill save the debs and reinstall i am testing on vmware before real install |
| 17:07.43 | k31th | What do you guys use to monitor mail ? I wouldnt mind some thing that tells me how much mail each domain has used etc ? |
| 17:07.43 | ntba | hi guys I just wanted to know if sarge with the 2.6 kernel is secure enoguh as a production webserve |
| 17:07.47 | dazjorz_ | hrm |
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| 17:07.55 | ntba | webserver* |
| 17:07.56 | dazjorz_ | "No package qt found", says make xconfig |
| 17:08.35 | lhds | all the downloaded deb files are saved in a specific folder i can copy and reinstall on another base install with no problem right? than i can call them again with apt get no? |
| 17:08.41 | grendal_prime | Bushmills, umm thing is..i did reboot the system and it still came up but the, hostame app did work...well for now.. |
| 17:09.03 | grendal_prime | ill have to reboot and see what it does. |
| 17:09.08 | grendal_prime | later not now hehehe |
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| 17:12.51 | dazjorz_ | i don't like recompiling kernels, it takes ages ... -_- |
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| 17:13.08 | lhds | love love me doo you know i love you |
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| 17:13.27 | troubled | Lou80: ok, i double checked, sure enough, to save your mbr use: dd if=/dev/hda of=/save/mbr.img bs=512 count=1 |
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| 17:13.46 | Lou80 | ok, noted |
| 17:13.50 | troubled | Lou80: and to restore it: dd if=/path/mbr.img of=/dev/hda |
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| 17:14.00 | wwallace_lap | !clue |
| 17:14.00 | dpkg | a clue is something that puts you on track to something, however you will not know for sure that the track you are put on is the right one. So, the conclusion is that whenever you get a clue you should investigate it! NOW!!, but something shift and dimension-42 need. Command Line User Environment, or something clueless people do without. http://okkie.frob.nl/clueshop.jpg |
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| 17:15.00 | troubled | Lou80: so in the even your hd gets pouched, just put in a cd or get that mbr file somehow and dd it back. that will perfectly restore your current mbr and part table exactly as it is now. then you start restoring the partitions one by one as discussed |
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| 17:15.37 | Lou80 | yeah |
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| 17:16.18 | wwallace_lap | troubled: define pouched please? |
| 17:16.21 | k31th | Is debian 64 bit "stable" i want to use it on a production server |
| 17:16.27 | k31th | should i stick with i386 |
| 17:16.43 | troubled | Lou80: my advice is to get a bootable and USEABLE live cd like knoppix. you then boot it, put in a second cd (remember, knoppix is live so you need _2_!!! cdroms) with your backup and restore the mbr first, then you can temp format a partition and restore the image from cd to hd and then extrcact it back to normal |
| 17:16.45 | Ronin | wwallace_lap: broken |
| 17:16.50 | wwallace_lap | oh |
| 17:16.55 | troubled | wwallace_lap: mbr and part table wiped or new hd |
| 17:17.07 | wwallace_lap | and how is he suppose to get the MBR if the hd is broken ? |
| 17:17.20 | petemc | live cd |
| 17:17.30 | petemc | oh, hardware broken.. |
| 17:17.30 | troubled | wwallace_lap: assume current drive is working but blank then |
| 17:17.36 | wwallace_lap | oh ok |
| 17:17.44 | wwallace_lap | i thought as in dead |
| 17:17.46 | wwallace_lap | no spinning |
| 17:17.48 | troubled | wwallace_lap: obvious he isnt gonna restore to a dead hd :p |
| 17:18.03 | petemc | put in the fridge then bounce it off the floor |
| 17:18.13 | petemc | dance around it, naked |
| 17:18.21 | troubled | Lou80: just make sure new hd is AT LEAST as big as old one and part tables will restore fine (thank god for LBA!) |
| 17:18.48 | wwallace_lap | i got here late how can you go and recover the MFT? |
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| 17:18.50 | troubled | Lou80: you know I swear id be rich by now if I was charging by the hour lol |
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| 17:19.08 | troubled | Lou80: i swear we been going at this since like 9am |
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| 17:19.52 | troubled | well, is any one else learning something new at least? hehe |
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| 17:20.22 | troubled | i dont know why i asked, walked into that myself heh |
| 17:20.34 | abrotman | wwallace_lap: TURN IT OFF |
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| 17:20.51 | wwallace_lap | abrotman: my friend how the hell are you? |
| 17:20.57 | wwallace_lap | didnt get a live yet? |
| 17:20.59 | Lou80 | brb |
| 17:21.06 | azeem | wwallace_lap: turn if off from me as well |
| 17:21.12 | wwallace_lap | i did |
| 17:21.14 | Dan01 | hehe |
| 17:21.18 | azeem | wwallace_lap: thanks :) |
| 17:21.22 | wwallace_lap | np |
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| 17:21.41 | wwallace_lap | go ahead and do it |
| 17:21.42 | abrotman | i'd rather a +b |
| 17:21.51 | wwallace_lap | who gives a fuck who ignores me bitch |
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| 17:22.00 | troubled | wwallace_lap: trust me, you cant win this fight..... |
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| 17:22.10 | troubled | nm, too late |
| 17:22.29 | Bushmills | thanks, stew |
| 17:22.41 | troubled | stew: your an op too? heh damn im out of date on my admins |
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| 17:26.02 | Cavey|Lab | Stupid question - where would I find the qt libraries? I am trying to use a configure script and it cant find the qt libs.... or maybe I have screwed up the --prefix syntax.... |
| 17:26.14 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: apt-cache search libqt |
| 17:26.17 | Dan01 | ok compiling with the deb kernel sources |
| 17:26.18 | Dan01 | lol |
| 17:26.21 | abrotman | and you probably want the -dev packages |
| 17:26.45 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: if your compiling, you usually ned -dev |
| 17:26.50 | troubled | nm.... |
| 17:26.55 | Cavey|Lab | Yeah, I figured that out |
| 17:26.56 | Dan01 | i have them :) |
| 17:27.01 | Cavey|Lab | I thought they were installed |
| 17:27.05 | anapivirtua | Hello World |
| 17:27.07 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: you might not have the right ones yet |
| 17:27.08 | Cavey|Lab | Was trying to find them on my hard drive |
| 17:27.19 | Cavey|Lab | libqt3-dev right? |
| 17:27.25 | troubled | Dan01: you get usb goin yet? |
| 17:27.37 | abrotman | there's another one you might need .. like libqt-mt-dev or something |
| 17:27.47 | Cavey|Lab | Probably |
| 17:27.50 | Dan01 | i'm doing iy now from the deb kernel |
| 17:27.57 | Dan01 | not from kernel.org |
| 17:28.02 | Dan01 | so we will see :> |
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| 17:28.10 | troubled | Dan01: gl |
| 17:28.17 | BlackEvo | elo |
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| 17:28.31 | Tallu | I think I might switch back to stable.. this computer is going to be a production server. :P |
| 17:28.38 | Dan01 | does debian have the latest kernel on apt? |
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| 17:28.42 | Dan01 | i searched for it |
| 17:29.06 | abrotman | why do you want the most recent? |
| 17:29.21 | Dan01 | so i select the timer frequency |
| 17:29.25 | Dan01 | to 1000HZ |
| 17:29.31 | sl1ck | does anyone know a good howto for installing fglrx on sarge? |
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| 17:29.52 | Dan01 | this is a test machine i am doing it on so i can do it on one of my dedicaed servers |
| 17:29.56 | troubled | Dan01: why you need 1khz timer anyways? something nonusb related? |
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| 17:30.04 | Dan01 | basically |
| 17:30.07 | abrotman | !ati |
| 17:30.08 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for sid see <fglrx> |
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| 17:30.31 | troubled | Dan01: dont you hate that? you need one setting changed, and a day or two later you finally get back to where you started hehe |
| 17:30.31 | Cavey|Lab | Ok, installed libqt3-mt-dev and libqt3-dev.... where would apt have put them ? |
| 17:30.34 | Dan01 | i wanted to test the latest kernel and set the timer to 1000HZ but i ended up having to muck around with the usb |
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| 17:30.42 | Dan01 | yeah no shit |
| 17:30.43 | Blissex | Cavey|Lab: 'dpkg -L ....' |
| 17:31.00 | troubled | Dan01: oh well, better you learn now lol |
| 17:31.02 | Dan01 | i need to run the kernel on one of my dedis to 1000HZ so i can runa css server at 100tickrate |
| 17:31.07 | Dan01 | its all because of that :> |
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| 17:31.11 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: you probably don't need to tell ./configure where they are .. it will probably find them on its own |
| 17:31.17 | Dan01 | but the usb thing is soemthing i have gotten into lol |
| 17:31.26 | troubled | Dan01: css server? |
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| 17:31.31 | sl1ck | thc abrotman |
| 17:31.48 | Cavey|Lab | Still bombing.... |
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| 17:31.52 | dorao | I'm having issues getting ipw2100 working on 2.6.17-2. when I try to compile it from source, I get it can't find ieee80211.h even though it is in /usr/src/linux/includ/net |
| 17:31.59 | Cavey|Lab | I hate compilers, thank God for apt tbh..... |
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| 17:32.16 | Dan01 | counter-strike source |
| 17:32.16 | dorao | (when using m-a ai ipw2100) |
| 17:32.17 | Dan01 | css |
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| 17:32.35 | Dan01 | 100tickrate makes it run extremely well |
| 17:32.36 | troubled | Dan01: no idea. counter strike a game server? |
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| 17:32.39 | robin_sz | dorao, whenyou say "from source" do you mean "from the orgiginal source" or "from the debian source package" |
| 17:32.43 | Dan01 | lol |
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| 17:32.52 | dorao | robin_sz debian source package |
| 17:33.03 | Dan01 | counter-strike is a game |
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| 17:33.05 | Dan01 | i run servers as a business |
| 17:33.23 | troubled | Dan01: one hell of a career :) |
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| 17:33.28 | Dan01 | hehe |
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| 17:33.40 | abrotman | !beer stew |
| 17:33.44 | Dan01 | troubled can i pm you? |
| 17:33.51 | troubled | sure i guess |
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| 17:34.05 | dorao | is the ipw2100 Makefile broken? |
| 17:34.09 | troubled | although its 1:30pm here now so im already pm ;) |
| 17:34.18 | Cavey|Lab | 6.30pm here |
| 17:34.24 | Dan01 | gah i have to regiter to send |
| 17:34.26 | Dan01 | register* |
| 17:34.33 | troubled | hehe sec |
| 17:34.37 | Dan01 | 18:34 here |
| 17:34.39 | Ronin | Dan01: takes 10 seconds |
| 17:34.43 | troubled | whats mode for msg only? +r? |
| 17:34.50 | Dan01 | i know |
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| 17:35.04 | sl1ck | abrotman, do I need to dl the kernel source and build a new kernel first? |
| 17:35.08 | troubled | try now |
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| 17:35.28 | Dan01 | i'll have to regiser |
| 17:35.30 | troubled | unless its nickserv controlled :( |
| 17:35.31 | Dan01 | register* |
| 17:35.42 | Cavey|Lab | Ok, now it's missing HDE headers - any ideas would be greatly appreciated before I scream..... |
| 17:35.47 | abrotman | sl1ck: i don't believe so |
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| 17:35.58 | troubled | Dan01: nah, theres a mode I setup to prevent it im sure. just dont remember the mode, and /mode troubled only shows +e (no idea) |
| 17:36.07 | dorao | Also, when I try to install the deb source version of ieee80211, it doesn't compile |
| 17:36.09 | sl1ck | abrotman, k |
| 17:36.16 | Dan01 | gah |
| 17:36.25 | Dan01 | i want the dam 2.6.17.2 or latest kernel |
| 17:36.45 | Cavey|Lab | Dan01 - I am sure there iss something you can use to set the server fps |
| 17:36.51 | Dan01 | i do a search for it and only get 2.6.8 |
| 17:37.02 | abrotman | you could ask #kernel ... |
| 17:37.11 | Dan01 | tickrate and fps are 2 different things |
| 17:37.18 | Dan01 | anyway |
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| 17:37.24 | Dan01 | this isa linux channel :> |
| 17:37.34 | troubled | Dan01: debian stable or testing generally never have latest kernel |
| 17:37.39 | PDani | hi |
| 17:37.39 | Dan01 | ah ok |
| 17:37.45 | Dan01 | man this is annoyinh |
| 17:37.45 | troubled | Dan01: they have "stable" kernels |
| 17:37.47 | Dan01 | g* |
| 17:38.07 | Dan01 | i just want the source so i can set the timer frequency lol |
| 17:38.16 | Cavey|Lab | I thought the fps was related to the tickrate |
| 17:38.21 | PDani | which is the current way to set up a roaming wireless/wired automatic network configuration on a laptop in debian etch? |
| 17:38.26 | troubled | Dan01: too bad timer ticks isnt in sysctl :) |
| 17:38.29 | dorao | ieeee80211 failes to install complainging: dpkg-gencontro: error: current build architecture i386 does not appear in package's list (amd64) ... wtf ? |
| 17:38.34 | Dan01 | in a few minutes i will have a mental breakdown |
| 17:38.36 | Dan01 | lol |
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| 17:38.46 | abrotman | Dan01: this is a channel to support people with Debian problems .. you're not using a Debian kernel .. and you're trying to build a source from kernel.org |
| 17:38.56 | Dan01 | i was |
| 17:39.04 | Dan01 | untill i was kindly informed of my ways |
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| 17:39.26 | Dan01 | lol |
| 17:39.33 | stew | Dan01: just download the source from kernel.org and use make-kpkg to compile a .deb out of it: /msg dpkg kp |
| 17:39.40 | troubled | abrotman: actually i think he switched to a debian source a while ago |
| 17:39.46 | Dan01 | stew |
| 17:39.50 | abrotman | troubled: he just said he wants one that isn't |
| 17:39.50 | Dan01 | i have been doing that |
| 17:40.10 | Dan01 | and beause of of that my usb kd doesn't work |
| 17:40.15 | troubled | abrotman: until i explained about debianized, thats when he switched a while ago i thought |
| 17:40.16 | Dan01 | its round and round and round |
| 17:40.31 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 17:40.39 | Lou80 | troubled, that's it done |
| 17:40.46 | Dan01 | i understand debian has its own kernel |
| 17:41.09 | Lou80 | i've got to now will see you later, probably in 5 hours if you are still here |
| 17:41.13 | troubled | Lou80: wow, took a while eheh. only cause it had to do full 11g and compress all the emptyness :) |
| 17:41.16 | Cavey|Lab | Back to QT not being installed..... wtf is up with this damn thing? |
| 17:41.30 | troubled | Lou80: i may be only. feel free to send a msg and let me know |
| 17:42.00 | pickcoder | Dan01: did you compile USB stuff into the kernel? |
| 17:42.14 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 17:42.17 | Dan01 | the usb hub |
| 17:42.26 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: what's the error you get? and what are you compiling ? |
| 17:42.32 | Dan01 | no error |
| 17:42.35 | Dan01 | man this is unfair |
| 17:42.37 | troubled | Dan01: so....is your kernel compiled yet? |
| 17:42.38 | Dan01 | on you guys |
| 17:42.40 | Cavey|Lab | Halleluia!!! |
| 17:42.51 | pickcoder | Dan01: did you compile HID into the kernel too? |
| 17:42.54 | Cavey|Lab | That was just building the make file |
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| 17:43.04 | Cavey|Lab | Now I am on to making and it's all gonna go to hell |
| 17:43.34 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: wtf you trying to build again? |
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| 17:43.48 | Cavey|Lab | kmobiletools |
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| 17:43.57 | abrotman | errors are helpful |
| 17:43.57 | Cavey|Lab | Am now trying to actually do the compiling bit |
| 17:44.13 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: you know, thats the kinda crap that made me say screw it and switch from slak to debian hehe |
| 17:44.15 | yetifoot | can anyone tell me how to clear the chosen packages in aptitude? i pressed u by accident, now too much is selected |
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| 17:44.30 | Dan01 | yeah i did |
| 17:44.39 | Cavey|Lab | I have no intention of using anything other than debian |
| 17:44.47 | Dan01 | its like this kernel thing hs been going on for a few days now |
| 17:44.51 | Cavey|Lab | (and win2k) |
| 17:44.55 | Dan01 | heh |
| 17:45.05 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: by the time your done compile X and everything, a week has gone buy, your half bald and you have 10gig of useless -dev files laying around and a package that probably doesnt satisfy any dependency issues with the package system hehe |
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| 17:45.19 | Dan01 | lol troubled |
| 17:45.22 | Cavey|Lab | Probably :( |
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| 17:45.35 | strat50s | hi |
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| 17:46.11 | Cavey|Lab | And the compiler just seg fault'd |
| 17:46.21 | yetifoot | and also, is it a kernel problem that means my soundcard isn't detected properly? it works fully in knoppix, but sarge, the volume control and others are mixed up |
| 17:46.21 | strat50s | you know... when you run dpkg-reconfigure debconf it asks you about choosing debconf interface: readline, Gnome, KDE... do you know in which file this setting is stored? |
| 17:46.24 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: you know....murphy's law tells me that even when you get it compiled, its probably got a bug that will make it useless for your needs :) |
| 17:46.27 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: paste the error somewhere |
| 17:46.46 | strat50s | yetifoot, maybe you lack alsa packages |
| 17:47.04 | yetifoot | maybe, i think debain installed OSS by default |
| 17:47.19 | Seb | heheh, I know I shouldn't, but that botched ubuntu upgrade story makes me snicker :> |
| 17:47.27 | yetifoot | i have esound-alsa and similat |
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| 17:47.46 | strat50s | well... esound is just a daemon for managing the sound |
| 17:48.14 | strat50s | yetifoot, first of all you should check if your soundcard module is loaded using lsmod command |
| 17:48.30 | strat50s | and check if it's the alsa or the oss one |
| 17:48.37 | pickcoder | Dan01: when you hotplug the KB does the kernel show the device being recognized? |
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| 17:49.15 | yetifoot | strat: yes thanks, it does show my soundcard in the list |
| 17:49.15 | yetifoot | i810_audio 21372 2 |
| 17:49.15 | yetifoot | ac97_codec 11252 0 [i810_audio] |
| 17:49.19 | Dan01 | nah |
| 17:49.23 | Dan01 | it doesn't |
| 17:49.25 | Cavey|Lab | abrotman - http://pastebin.com/775808 |
| 17:49.26 | pickcoder | Dan01: I compiled 2.6.17-9 a few days ago and had issues with USB, but the kernel recognized the devices when hot plugged |
| 17:49.39 | strat50s | mmm yetifoot, seems oss |
| 17:49.47 | Dan01 | my version is 2.6.17.2 |
| 17:50.06 | Dan01 | hotplug is loaded at startup |
| 17:50.25 | pickcoder | revision 11 is the latest now |
| 17:50.28 | yetifoot | how do i change to alsa instead? what should i google for/what package should i install? |
| 17:50.40 | cydork | !alsa one-liner |
| 17:50.40 | strat50s | and yetifoot, the problem is that sound programs says that device is not recognized or just it doesn't sound anythin? |
| 17:50.40 | dpkg | i guess alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels, or some applications don't know how to talk directly to alsa, so "modprobe snd-pcm-oss" and "echo snd-pcm-oss >> /etc/modules" to provide the oss compatibility layer |
| 17:50.52 | cydork | yetifoot, ^^ |
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| 17:51.04 | Cavey|Lab | brb - loo |
| 17:51.13 | strat50s | cydork, better :) |
| 17:51.16 | yetifoot | strat: it makes sound, but the mixer is confused, the main volume actually tweaks the microphone vol |
| 17:51.36 | dazjorz_ | azeem: ok, i did make modules and make modules_install, now doing depmod, then how to restart udev? |
| 17:51.39 | strat50s | maybe your best choice is to do what cydork proposed |
| 17:51.44 | strat50s | install alsa |
| 17:51.47 | azeem | dazjorz_: /etc/init.d/udev restart |
| 17:51.52 | yetifoot | !2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 17:51.52 | dpkg | hmm... 2.4 alsa one-liner is to install alsa on a 2.4 kernel: apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r) && alsaconf ; if you are using a 2.6 kernel ask me about <alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 17:51.56 | dazjorz_ | azeem: er, make modules_install gave me some errors |
| 17:51.56 | azeem | dazjorz_: but you're lucky I'm around, better ask the channel |
| 17:52.03 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: dont you love how all the buggy or big important stuff just "never compiles properly for non devs for some strange reason (tm)"? :) |
| 17:52.04 | Dan01 | pickcoder you get that kernel from kernel.org? |
| 17:52.13 | cydork | yetifoot, check /msg dpkg alsa-checklist |
| 17:52.18 | yetifoot | thanks all |
| 17:52.27 | dazjorz_ | azeem: all the sound modules need unknown symbols, (un)?register_sound_(dsp|mixer) |
| 17:52.42 | dazjorz_ | azeem: do I have to run make too? plain make without make modules? |
| 17:52.44 | pickcoder | Dan01: I downloaded 2.6.17-9 from there. The latest is revision 11 on kernel.org now. |
| 17:52.51 | Dan01 | yeah |
| 17:52.53 | strat50s | no clue about my debconf question? |
| 17:53.08 | azeem | dazjorz_: I don't know |
| 17:53.11 | Dan01 | lol cydork |
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| 17:53.43 | pickcoder | cydork: I spent 13 months on an integration project where the sales and support team lied about crucial features |
| 17:53.57 | cydork | pickcoder, i feel better already :) |
| 17:54.28 | pickcoder | cydork: I ended up writing my own solution in 2 months with more features. <G> |
| 17:54.33 | Dan01 | thats a long time |
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| 17:55.32 | Cavey|Lab | It's because non devs have dodgy ram |
| 17:55.51 | cydork | pickcoder, man that's a lot worse condition than me.. good thing i contacted the guys who wrote the original api, and made them to except that it was their prob. |
| 17:56.36 | pickcoder | Dan01: time is also money and we wasted a bit of both |
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| 17:56.45 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: was wondering about that seg fault. but i thought that was only a sig 11? |
| 17:56.52 | abrotman | !sig11 |
| 17:56.52 | dpkg | rumour has it, sig11 is Process Signal 11, SEGV (Segment Violation or Segmentation Fault). The program has been smacked down by the kernel for accessing memory outside its segment; indicates a bug in the software, or, with memory-intensive software like gcc, may indicate failing RAM. See the Sig11 FAQ at http://www.bitwizard.nl/sig11/ |
| 17:56.53 | pickcoder | cydork: it all worked out for the best, though. Now I don't have any middleware! |
| 17:57.07 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: can you compile anything ? |
| 17:57.11 | troubled | ahh, one in the same |
| 17:57.20 | cydork | pickcoder, that's great !! i will start new from monday i guess.. |
| 17:57.23 | zinx | bad ram can cause many other errors |
| 17:57.24 | pickcoder | well.. no middleware apart from an XML services layer |
| 17:57.54 | Cavey|Lab | abrotman - It does eventually |
| 17:57.59 | abrotman | nice |
| 17:58.01 | Cavey|Lab | Just have to keep hitting up and enter |
| 17:58.14 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: is this a server? |
| 17:58.21 | pickcoder | time for a memory test |
| 17:58.27 | Cavey|Lab | "Yeah", funny aint it |
| 17:58.35 | abrotman | it's a server? |
| 17:58.38 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: whens the last time you ran a quick mem test? |
| 17:58.43 | abrotman | i mean .. can you shut it down to run memtest? |
| 17:58.49 | Cavey|Lab | Yeah |
| 17:59.04 | cydork | pickcoder, i have no choice but to use api, other wise i will have to write the whole code grid servises :P |
| 17:59.06 | pickcoder | servers can have non-ecc memory in them, if the builder is cutting corners. <G> |
| 17:59.12 | Cavey|Lab | At least it doesnt ever suffer from buffer overflows |
| 17:59.16 | Cavey|Lab | Usually crashes first |
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| 17:59.39 | Cavey|Lab | Oh, it's an old box I am running as a server |
| 17:59.41 | troubled | lol |
| 17:59.53 | Cavey|Lab | And last time I ran memtest on it was 18 months ago |
| 18:00.06 | Cavey|Lab | And it didnt return any errors after 6 hours |
| 18:00.11 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: well, i would test it and worse case, reseat the ram |
| 18:00.27 | Cavey|Lab | I want new ram and a new hdd tbh |
| 18:00.33 | Cavey|Lab | Then swap all my hardware round |
| 18:00.33 | pickcoder | does the CPU run hot? |
| 18:00.35 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: curious, mixed memory chips per chance? |
| 18:00.40 | Cavey|Lab | Yup |
| 18:00.45 | Cavey|Lab | (No, cool) |
| 18:00.47 | pickcoder | an overly warm chip can cause odd behaviour |
| 18:00.49 | abrotman | six hours isn't that long |
| 18:00.50 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: try ease the timings a bit? |
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| 18:02.03 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: crucial.com? |
| 18:02.11 | xmpp | Hi. I was trying a script to get automatic login to desktop environment without a display manager. It does not function and since I edited /etc/X11/default-display-manager I can't get a shell. How do I edit back this file? |
| 18:02.12 | troubled | well, if you want overpriced :) |
| 18:02.15 | pickcoder | Cavey|Lab: monarchcomputer.com |
| 18:02.23 | pickcoder | Cavey|Lab: for US destination |
| 18:02.28 | Cavey|Lab | UK |
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| 18:02.32 | pickcoder | n/m then |
| 18:02.33 | pickcoder | <G> |
| 18:02.44 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: EBAY! |
| 18:02.50 | Cavey|Lab | Errr, no |
| 18:03.12 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: why not? probably find cheap tested and matching ram on ebay easy :) |
| 18:03.15 | Cavey|Lab | Why cant a stick this into a bash loop ? |
| 18:03.30 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: probably get 3 sticks for price of one, thats 3 times the odds of one set working! |
| 18:03.46 | Cavey|Lab | I have a set at hoem I would use in the server |
| 18:03.50 | xmpp | Do I use the grub command line to mount and edit the file? |
| 18:03.51 | pickcoder | Cavey|Lab: run the stress project on it and see if it falls over |
| 18:03.52 | Cavey|Lab | But I would replace them with this set |
| 18:04.08 | petemc | Cavey|Lab: crucial have a uk branch |
| 18:04.10 | troubled | xmpp: nano /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 18:04.12 | Cavey|Lab | It's a cheap motherboard |
| 18:04.23 | Cavey|Lab | In fact, it could be the mobo that's fooked |
| 18:05.12 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: curious, you on that machine right now? |
| 18:05.21 | Cavey|Lab | Eh? |
| 18:05.29 | Cavey|Lab | SSH into it |
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| 18:05.42 | xmpp | troubled: I can't use nano with the grub command line |
| 18:05.42 | troubled | Cavey|Lab: are you on irc via the broken box that you need to memtest? |
| 18:05.53 | Cavey|Lab | Yes and no |
| 18:05.58 | troubled | xmpp: ahh, sorry, misunderstood your needs |
| 18:06.11 | bkhl | troubled: we need a nano OS. |
| 18:06.28 | Cavey|Lab | IRC is on a windows box |
| 18:06.34 | Cavey|Lab | Using a socks on that to connect |
| 18:06.40 | troubled | bkhl: i think grub could almost be considered a nano os :) |
| 18:06.51 | stew | bkhl: nano doesn't have enough features to be an os, stick to emacs :P |
| 18:07.00 | bkhl | stew: alright then. |
| 18:07.01 | troubled | lol |
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| 18:07.19 | freegan-bh | Help: I'm trying to mount an encrypted loopback while on initrd, but always gets to ioctl: loop_set_status: invalid argument. Anyone? |
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| 18:07.26 | troubled | stew: i tried emacs the other day again, i see it hasnt changed much. still cumbersome and clunky imho :) |
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| 18:08.14 | troubled | cydork: im curious if emacs would actually work as a shell lol |
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| 18:09.09 | cydork | troubled, http://www.informatimago.com/linux/emacs-on-user-mode-linux.html |
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| 18:09.24 | cydork | troubled, that might work :) |
| 18:09.33 | troubled | cydork: dare i look? |
| 18:09.35 | beardy | troubled: still? why did you think things would get removed? |
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| 18:09.58 | beardy | troubled: jed has emacs keybindings, if that is what you want, others too |
| 18:10.13 | cydork | troubled, i dare you! you doubted the power of emacs :) |
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| 18:10.27 | troubled | thats just wrong |
| 18:10.44 | troubled | what is emacs now? like 40mb binary stripped? |
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| 18:11.12 | troubled | hell, im surprised they dont use emacs to compile a kernel instead of menuconfig lol |
| 18:11.17 | abrotman | !bloat |
| 18:11.17 | dpkg | "GCC is the only one [GNU Software] that I really care about. A number of them I hate with a passion; the Emacs editor is horrible, for example. While Linux is larger than Emacs, at least Linux has the excuse that it needs to be." -- Linus Torvalds (father of Linux), or see <emacs> or <emacs disease> |
| 18:11.49 | bkhl | troubled: mine is 5 MB. |
| 18:12.11 | bkhl | troubled: 40 MB is more like the whole package. |
| 18:12.17 | troubled | i think emacs is more about pushing file sizes and library usage envelope |
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| 18:12.52 | Xxaxx | ÐÒÉ ÕÍÉÒÁÎÉÉ ÛÅÌÁ, ÐÒÏÃÅÓÓ ËÏÐÉÒÏ×ÁÎÉÑ ÏÓÔÁÎÅÔÓÑ ÉÌØ ÎÅÔ? |
| 18:12.53 | bkhl | It's not tiny. I'm just saying the 40 MB binary thing was an exaggeration. |
| 18:12.59 | abrotman | !ru |
| 18:13.00 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
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| 18:13.01 | bkhl | Xxaxx: hard to say. |
| 18:13.02 | Xxaxx | ups, sorry, wrong channel |
| 18:13.03 | Janne_Doe | hi there |
| 18:13.05 | Xxaxx | ,) |
| 18:13.09 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 18:13.10 | dpkg | i heard popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
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| 18:14.00 | ph00 | xxaaxx is that russian or what? |
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| 18:14.08 | Xxaxx | yeah, russian |
| 18:14.11 | Cavey|Lab | I give up, im going home. Thanks for your help. |
| 18:14.21 | ph00 | k |
| 18:14.21 | Janne_Doe | I have a little problem. I have searched on the web but no answer, the sound works fine but I should set the sound on each time i boot. Maybe alsa is restarted? |
| 18:14.22 | abrotman | Cavey|Lab: set it to run memtest for the weekend! |
| 18:14.23 | ph00 | must be fun to learn russian |
| 18:14.37 | Cavey|Lab | No, Ill just buy new ram |
| 18:14.42 | ph00 | sounds cool |
| 18:14.49 | Cavey|Lab | I need that shit anyway |
| 18:15.00 | cydork | Janne_Doe, after changing the sound with alsamixer try alsactl store |
| 18:15.15 | Janne_Doe | cydork, ok |
| 18:15.19 | Cavey|Lab | Bye |
| 18:15.33 | cydork | s/sound/volume/ :P |
| 18:15.33 | Xxaxx | ph00: I think you don't see letters ;) only strange symbols ;) |
| 18:15.43 | abrotman | they're kind of letters |
| 18:15.56 | cydork | Xxaxx, i see some X'ss and D's and O's :) |
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| 18:16.48 | tarzeau | someone with fast opengl and debian sid here? |
| 18:16.48 | Xxaxx | hehe ,) |
| 18:16.55 | Xxaxx | one moment, I will show how it must be |
| 18:16.55 | pickcoder | I see sound and hear colors |
| 18:17.08 | ph00 | no (non cyrillic enabled guys) you see actually two-character symbols, not regular latin letters |
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| 18:17.12 | tarzeau | pickcoder: LSD? |
| 18:17.22 | tarzeau | pickcoder: watch this: http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=14532 |
| 18:17.22 | ph00 | where? where? |
| 18:17.33 | abrotman | tarzeau: that is a disease |
| 18:17.34 | troubled | tarzeau: heh :) |
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| 18:17.42 | pickcoder | heh |
| 18:18.00 | cydork | did someone say lsd??? :P |
| 18:18.04 | ph00 | it's not... |
| 18:18.04 | ph00 | it's fun! |
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| 18:18.08 | ph00 | yeah |
| 18:18.19 | ph00 | I "heard" that too |
| 18:19.15 | zenwryly | anyone know of an apt source for avisynth? |
| 18:19.27 | tarzeau | haha |
| 18:19.34 | tarzeau | zenwryly: localhost :) |
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| 18:19.57 | ingcarloseduardo | good afternoon |
| 18:20.15 | abrotman | why can't it be evening!?!? |
| 18:20.35 | Janne_Doe | cydork, it looks like it works |
| 18:20.38 | Janne_Doe | thanks |
| 18:20.45 | ingcarloseduardo | i dont speak english. Im colombian...Somebody can to help me? |
| 18:20.51 | zenwryly | tarzeau: alright :) |
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| 18:21.11 | cydork | Janne_Doe, You had doubts?? :P |
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| 18:21.21 | Janne_Doe | XD |
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| 18:21.46 | ingcarloseduardo | i have a Laptop sony vaio. And a D-Link network card. DWL G-650M...but i cant configure this card to mi pc... |
| 18:22.07 | dazjorz_ | gonna reboot... |
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| 18:24.50 | ph00 | dabian-es ==> en español! |
| 18:24.50 | ph00 | dEbian |
| 18:24.57 | ph00 | is debian somehow realted to demian? |
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| 18:25.09 | ingcarloseduardo | thanks |
| 18:25.18 | ph00 | de nada |
| 18:26.07 | cydork | ph00, wht the hell is demian?? |
| 18:26.23 | bkhl | ph00: you mean the name itself? |
| 18:27.21 | bkhl | ph00: it's named after the project founder Ian, and his wife Deb. |
| 18:27.40 | ph00 | demian is supposed to be the name of the antichrist (in a couple of bad movies) it was a joke |
| 18:27.43 | yetifoot | can anyone help me, i get this message setting up alsa -> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-pdaudiocf.o |
| 18:27.58 | bkhl | ph00: you mean "Damien"? |
| 18:28.07 | stew | yetifoot: how did you install the alsa modules? |
| 18:28.14 | ph00 | should we try !demian? |
| 18:28.18 | bkhl | ph00: Demian is the last name of a Swedish tango troubadour. |
| 18:28.25 | ph00 | damien yeah |
| 18:28.29 | ph00 | whatever |
| 18:28.35 | yetifoot | apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils alsa-modules-$(uname -r)&& alsaconf |
| 18:29.08 | ph00 | swedish tango trubadur?!? tangodansband? |
| 18:29.11 | ph00 | fy fan |
| 18:29.12 | cydork | yetifoot, /msg dpkg 2.4 alsa one-liner |
| 18:29.23 | xmpp | so, I messed up /etc/X11/default-display-manager. How can I change it back? |
| 18:29.32 | yetifoot | thats what i did, and the one i just posted is what it told me |
| 18:29.39 | Xxaxx | http://abc.wedro.org/how_it_must_be.jpeg |
| 18:29.49 | Xxaxx | here is russian letters, in this channel |
| 18:29.51 | stew | xmpp: "dpkg-reconfigure kdm" or gdm or xdm or whichever you want |
| 18:30.05 | cydork | yetifoot, oh ok. |
| 18:30.08 | ph00 | yeah it was deamien not demian, I spelled it wrong. |
| 18:30.08 | ph00 | damien |
| 18:30.11 | yetifoot | i got some of these too /lib/modules/2.4.27-2-386/updates/alsa/snd-intel8x0.o: init_module: No such device |
| 18:30.11 | yetifoot | Hint: insmod errors |
| 18:30.21 | ph00 | cool name anyway |
| 18:30.40 | stew | yetifoot: no such device means that the driver couldn't find any hardware it was supposed to be driving |
| 18:31.12 | yetifoot | thats weird, knoppix detects it as intel 8x0, and it works fine there |
| 18:31.21 | xmpp | stew: I can't get command line? |
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| 18:31.35 | stew | xmpp: why not? |
| 18:31.42 | bkhl | ph00: he's closer to the tradition of Swedish political troubadours, like Vreeswijk and so forth. |
| 18:31.55 | syntaxx | can someone recommend a torrent client with gui? |
| 18:32.07 | bkhl | I can recommend one with a tui. |
| 18:32.13 | stew | xmpp: if you are stuck in a dm, hit ctrl-alt-f1 |
| 18:32.24 | xmpp | I think it's the bash profile I messed up |
| 18:32.27 | bkhl | (Which you really want, so you can run it in Screen.) |
| 18:32.36 | bkhl | It's in apt and is called rtorrent |
| 18:32.55 | cydork | yetifoot, knoppix uses 2.6 :) |
| 18:33.06 | syntaxx | ok thanks bkhl |
| 18:33.13 | xmpp | I try ctrl-alt-f1 thanks stew |
| 18:34.09 | xmpp | ehh wait I'm not stuck in a dm |
| 18:34.11 | stew | xmpp: after dpkg-reconfigure, you'll probably want to "/etc/init.d/kdm stop ; /etc/init.d/gdm start" for whichever is oldDM and newDM respectively |
| 18:34.50 | stew | xmpp: ctrl-alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f3... or login to the dm and execute "/etc/init.d/xdm stop" (for whichever dm is actually running) |
| 18:35.48 | xmpp | If only I could just put /usr/bin/gdm into /etc/X11/default-display-manager that would do the trick |
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| 18:36.08 | stew | xmpp: yes, that would do the same as running "dpkg-reconfigure gdm" and selecting gdm as the default |
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| 18:36.28 | aitiba | nas |
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| 18:36.58 | xmpp | after the boot process i don't get a prompt that's the problem |
| 18:37.19 | beardy | xmpp: What is the last thing you see on the screen? |
| 18:37.44 | abrotman | Power Down. ? |
| 18:37.51 | xmpp | can't load xdm... not default dm |
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| 18:38.12 | aitiba | tengo un servidor web con apache2 y php |
| 18:38.12 | aitiba | .desde un equipo de la LAN llamo a esa IP por el navegador y me dice que no tengo permisos ¿se os ocurre algo para solucionarlo? |
| 18:38.23 | beardy | xmpp: You have of course tried changing to another vt, or press Enter? |
| 18:38.23 | abrotman | !es |
| 18:38.23 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 18:39.46 | xmpp | what's again for another vt.. alt-f2?? |
| 18:39.48 | stew | xmpp: ctrl-alt-fN |
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| 18:40.02 | stew | xmpp: (where N is 1-6 by default) |
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| 18:40.19 | beardy | xmpp: what stew said if in X, alt-fN is only needed from bt to vt |
| 18:40.31 | beardy | s/bt/vt |
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| 18:41.11 | beardy | xmpp: or alt-Left/RightArrow |
| 18:41.19 | afra_ | I just installed etch and it seems like when I ssh to the box, the connection just hangs - no connection is made. I even rpelaced the ssh_config and sshd_config from a box that I know works but still no go. Is there something etch does? |
| 18:41.33 | xmpp | i try another vt and i'm back |
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| 18:42.23 | lhds | how to configure xfree86? |
| 18:42.31 | beardy | !drxx lhds |
| 18:42.31 | dpkg | lhds: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:42.53 | syntaxx | bkhl, ok when i type rtorrent it does nothing |
| 18:43.27 | lhds | wow |
| 18:43.30 | lhds | thanx |
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| 18:43.56 | EmleyMoor | Is there a non-encumbered softphone I can use on Debian? |
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| 18:44.16 | cydork | EmleyMoor, encumbered?? means what? |
| 18:44.26 | DaBlade | Completely off topic question, but does anyone here know a lot about bicycles? |
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| 18:44.51 | azeem | DaBlade: off-topic *and* meta-question... |
| 18:44.56 | DaBlade | lol |
| 18:45.11 | beardy | DaBlade: Someone does, but I don't recall who.. and it is really offtopic :) |
| 18:45.24 | EmleyMoor | cydork: Made complicated by the forced inclusion of the not strictly necessary |
| 18:45.29 | DaBlade | Well more specifically, under my new bicycle, there's three numbers. I need one of them for my bicycle insurance. That would be the frame number. |
| 18:45.39 | DaBlade | beardy: Damn. lol |
| 18:46.04 | beardy | DaBlade: Doesn't the insurance person know which number, if you tell them all three? |
| 18:46.06 | robin_sz | EmleyMoor, skype? |
| 18:46.18 | DaBlade | beardy: I'm registering via www. ;) |
| 18:46.29 | afra_ | any reason as to why openssh server would hang and not connect through? Locally I can ssh fine (using the IP) |
| 18:46.32 | yetifoot | thanks everyone who helped, my alsa is working now. I have another question please, i get insmod errors on boot, i810_rng.o and others, how can i fix this? Also how can i see a log of the boot sequence, i tried syslog, /var/logs, but can't find it |
| 18:46.34 | beardy | DaBlade: Mail and ask them. |
| 18:47.06 | DaBlade | Hrm... I kinda hoped to get this over with today. Plus, it's a weekend. |
| 18:47.21 | EmleyMoor | robin_sz: Looking for sip compatibility |
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| 18:48.00 | cydork | EmleyMoor, oh that there are many do apt-cache search sip phone |
| 18:48.21 | nvz | afra_: try ssh -v and sshd -d to get more information |
| 18:48.34 | beardy | DaBlade: Well.. but why here? Try to find a channel with expensive bicycle insterested people in? Or try a social channel instead? #freenode-social perhaps? |
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| 18:48.37 | lhds | !drxx sudo |
| 18:48.37 | dpkg | sudo: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 18:48.50 | nvz | afra_: that way you have the story told from both sides |
| 18:48.58 | cydork | lhds, you can /msg dpkg |
| 18:49.12 | afra_ | nvz: okay thanks - I get debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_4.2 and then it hangs |
| 18:49.19 | lhds | is there a sudo in debian? a su to gain root? |
| 18:49.23 | lhds | or its by exit? |
| 18:49.34 | beardy | lhds: WHich version of Debian are you running? |
| 18:49.40 | lhds | sarge |
| 18:49.42 | nvz | from the client? |
| 18:49.42 | afra_ | nvs: I did apt-get install shh |
| 18:49.45 | beardy | lhds: Why not just try and type 'su'? |
| 18:49.50 | afra_ | nvs: I mean apt-get install ssh |
| 18:49.52 | lhds | wont work |
| 18:50.01 | beardy | lhds: Yes, it exists, as do sudo. |
| 18:50.09 | beardy | lhds: What happens? |
| 18:50.16 | cydork | lhds, why wont it work? |
| 18:50.16 | lhds | is it a package? |
| 18:50.45 | lhds | man i am root already sorry |
| 18:50.53 | nvz | afra_: you need to but the sshd in debug mode and run ssh client verbose, and if you cant get any additional info you are most likely going to have to trace the signals |
| 18:50.55 | cydork | lhds, :D |
| 18:50.56 | beardy | lhds: No, su is always there, or, yes, of course it's in a package, but it's in the base-system, always installed. |
| 18:52.09 | beardy | lhds: If su had not been there, instead of saying nothing, your shell would have said that such a program does not exist (or is not in your path, atleast) |
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| 18:52.39 | lhds | got that |
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| 18:52.53 | lhds | how much space left? |
| 18:53.01 | EmleyMoor | All softphones seem to be either complicated (linphone), not nat compatible (most) or encumbered (most) |
| 18:53.06 | beardy | lhds: df |
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| 18:53.17 | yetifoot | for insmod errors on boot, is blacklisting the best solution? |
| 18:53.18 | beardy | lhds: /msg dpkg grounding |
| 18:53.24 | treitter | I've got a local repository, and it seems to still have information about some broken packages in its Packages file - what's the best way to remove those broken versions? |
| 18:53.35 | beardy | lhds: 'df -h' you want, perhaps |
| 18:53.35 | xmpp | switching vt solved my problem thanks stew |
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| 18:54.49 | lhds | sorry for that question but the debs where can i find them? |
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| 18:55.13 | beardy | lhds: Find what? |
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| 18:55.18 | abrotman | !tell lhds about grounding |
| 18:55.32 | lhds | the deb files i downloaded so far |
| 18:55.55 | beardy | lhds: How did you download them? |
| 18:56.12 | beardy | I'm going to eat.. answer my question, and someone else will help you. |
| 18:56.14 | lhds | apt-get |
| 18:56.26 | beardy | lhds: apt-get install somepackage? |
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| 18:56.59 | lhds | that is something i am running already with fluxbox and i am using 400 megs... in other distros i start with 2.50 gega |
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| 18:57.09 | lhds | yes apt-get install |
| 18:57.11 | nvz | firefox is locking up on me.. surprise surprise |
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| 18:57.33 | beardy | lhds: Fetched packages are stored, until cleaned out, in /var/cache/apt/archives |
| 18:57.49 | EteRNitY | hi |
| 18:57.50 | lhds | in fluxbox the icons of new packages are autoinstalled like in gnome? or i have to add them to the menu? |
| 18:57.53 | EteRNitY | i have |
| 18:58.07 | xwl`` | Hi, my machine only has a private ip behind a router, how can i access it from outside? |
| 18:58.15 | abrotman | nvz: stop using flash |
| 18:58.16 | EteRNitY | a problem with broadcom wireless driver |
| 18:58.19 | EmleyMoor | I'm going to try ekiga but it seems to want loads of needless stuff |
| 18:58.26 | beardy | lhds: They should appear in the menu, not as icons though, but in the Debian menu, which works in all windowmanagers with a menu. |
| 18:58.28 | DaBlade | Yay, finally figured out which was the frame # |
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| 18:58.50 | lhds | aha intresting |
| 19:00.19 | EteRNitY | i use debian 3.1 (amd64) on HP nx6125 laptop. But i cant use my broadcom wireless tool.. what can i do? Debian has a Broadcom driver? |
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| 19:01.05 | DaBlade | EteRNitY: Check the kernel's compatibility. |
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| 19:01.20 | DaBlade | EteRNitY: Drivers are generally not so much down to the distro as they are to the kernel. |
| 19:02.31 | EteRNitY | hımm.. if so i must re-compile my kernel.. |
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| 19:03.14 | EteRNitY | i find broadcom driver loader but i cant use it.. it doesnt work.. |
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| 19:05.06 | mutante_ | finn_: is this the bicycle channel? |
| 19:05.22 | troubled | EteRNitY: i once heard of a project in linux to use standard ndis (wrapper) drivers for non native supported nic's. Something to consider? no idea of limitations or performance issues though. |
| 19:05.33 | pitio | how can i change my boot initial screen from "Loading linux...........Bios data check Ok" To gurb prompt version? |
| 19:05.58 | lhds | is debian distro leftout? why my kernel is 2.4.24? |
| 19:06.54 | stew | lhds: if you are running 2.4.24 then you are running a kernel from before sarge was released, you should upgrade to 2.4.27-3 |
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| 19:07.00 | mutante_ | lhds: apt-cache search kernel-image |
| 19:07.01 | pickcoder | EteRNitY: which kernel are you running |
| 19:07.17 | lepton | dpkg tell pitio about grub |
| 19:07.19 | EteRNitY | default debian 3.1 kernel |
| 19:07.56 | lhds | sorry its 2.4.27.2 |
| 19:08.01 | EteRNitY | yes |
| 19:08.03 | pickcoder | EteRNitY: kernels are not distro specific as there could be several kernels available |
| 19:08.05 | stew | lhds: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 19:08.18 | lhds | 2.4.27.2 |
| 19:08.28 | stew | lhds: that kenrel didn't come from debian then |
| 19:08.29 | mutante_ | cat /etc/debian_version 3.1 |
| 19:08.32 | lhds | once i compiled the 2.7 |
| 19:08.36 | stew | lhds: do you mean 2.4.27-2 |
| 19:08.36 | EteRNitY | but no i use debian for AMD 64.. my CPU is turion 64 |
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| 19:08.51 | mutante_ | uname 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 19:08.52 | stew | lhds: there is no 2.7 |
| 19:08.52 | lhds | its the minimal install cd |
| 19:09.02 | troubled | pitio: fyi, im pretty sure that the graphic that grub displays (limited to 16color?) is seperate from what the kernel would display after boot (after grub option picked). ie: you need two diff images (or at least load your one image in two different ways) |
| 19:09.12 | EteRNitY | i think i use the test distro |
| 19:09.18 | EteRNitY | 3 DVD |
| 19:09.21 | pickcoder | EteRNitY: uname -r |
| 19:09.47 | lhds | sorry 2.6.17.11 |
| 19:09.59 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:10.06 | lhds | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:10.37 | mutante_ | lhds: 3.1 is the result of cat /etc/debian_version on my box, and the kernel is 2.6.8-3 |
| 19:10.47 | stew | 15:08 < lhds> is debian distro leftout? why my kernel is 2.4.24? |
| 19:10.53 | stew | lhds: your kernel isn't 2.4.24 |
| 19:11.08 | berkes | does anyone know a tool, or command-chain or so to get a graph of all installed packages + dependencies? |
| 19:11.30 | JoshH | dpkg -l ? |
| 19:11.43 | lhds | mine is 3.1 aswell |
| 19:11.44 | JoshH | not a graph, but a list |
| 19:11.49 | berkes | JoshH: indeed. |
| 19:12.07 | berkes | I know that dpkg has a flag that makes it output a dotty file |
| 19:12.13 | lhds | berkes get synaptic |
| 19:12.30 | lhds | i use it to review the installed pkgs |
| 19:12.59 | abrotman | i've seen it somewhere |
| 19:13.13 | mutante_ | haha, i just discovered the package "vrms - Virtual Richard M. Stallman" |
| 19:13.27 | berkes | lhds: this is on a server, so I don't have x available |
| 19:13.33 | Tallu | Any reason why i should not compile the latest kernel on sarge? |
| 19:13.41 | tarzeau | Tallu: no |
| 19:13.41 | abrotman | apt-cache dotty |
| 19:13.44 | tarzeau | Tallu: we do that too |
| 19:13.47 | Tallu | figured. |
| 19:13.53 | abrotman | berkes: apt-cache dotty |
| 19:13.54 | tarzeau | Tallu: 2.6.17.11 and 2.4.33.2 |
| 19:13.55 | EmleyMoor | Tallu: No, none at all... I do it all the time |
| 19:13.58 | abrotman | or so the man page suggests |
| 19:14.10 | Tallu | tarzeau: yeah i'm downloading 2.6.17.11 as we speak |
| 19:14.15 | yetifoot | aptitude is a nice text package manager |
| 19:14.19 | stew | Tallu: you'll just want to stay away from compiling a new 2.6 kernel that requires an initrd |
| 19:14.19 | tarzeau | Tallu: but tried 7.0 yet? |
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| 19:14.31 | ph00 | mutante_ what does vrms do? |
| 19:14.33 | berkes | abrotman: thanks. And do you happen to know a tool that can gerenate a ps/pdg/png from dotty files? |
| 19:15.10 | stew | ph00: apt-cache show vrms |
| 19:15.11 | abrotman | berkes: eh ... |
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| 19:15.12 | nvz | abrotman: I wasnt using flash. I dont even have it installed |
| 19:15.14 | Tallu | tarzeau: uhm yeah |
| 19:15.14 | tarzeau | berkes: graphviz can! |
| 19:15.20 | tarzeau | berkes: you just need to tell it to do so |
| 19:15.21 | abrotman | berkes: i think graphviz |
| 19:15.21 | Tallu | ok i have to go do my thing now. back later! |
| 19:15.23 | tarzeau | Tallu: debian gnu/kfreebsd :) |
| 19:15.31 | berkes | abrotman: tarzeau cool thanks. |
| 19:15.32 | abrotman | nvz: but .. the intarweb runs on flash! |
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| 19:16.28 | mutante_ | ph00: it checks the system for non-free software and reports them .. ("Future versions of vrms will include an option to also display text from the public writings of RMS and others that explain why use of each of the installed non-free packages might cause moral issues ..." |
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| 19:17.01 | ph00 | k |
| 19:17.03 | lhds | there is no problem reading sata hdd for install right? |
| 19:17.39 | PrinceAMD | hey all i would like to use debian i just want to know if i have to download all 19cds so i can install it |
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| 19:17.52 | asg | PrinceAMD: no, you don't |
| 19:17.53 | stew | lhds: it depends on the controller and which kernel you are using |
| 19:18.02 | stew | !pubtime |
| 19:18.02 | dpkg | rumour has it, pubtime is time for asg to go .. 3pm!, or http://jackalopejacks.com/ |
| 19:18.08 | stew | you're late! |
| 19:18.09 | lhds | go for minimal cd install 190 mb or network install 40 megs |
| 19:18.09 | PrinceAMD | can i download only cd1 and install it? |
| 19:18.12 | asg | PrinceAMD: if you have a sufficiently competent nic, you can install with only 2 floppies if you like. |
| 19:18.14 | abrotman | i bet he's already there! |
| 19:18.15 | Hoxzer | !bot |
| 19:18.16 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 19:18.16 | asg | stew: I'm early |
| 19:18.19 | stew | ahh |
| 19:18.19 | Hoxzer | !dpkg |
| 19:18.20 | dpkg | rumour has it, dpkg is the base of the Debian package management system. It was created by Ian Jackson in 1993. dpkg is similar to RPM, as it is used to install, remove, and provide information about deb packages. dpkg itself is a low level tool; higher level tools, such as APT, are used to fetch packages from remote locations or deal with complex package relations. see also <apt-get>, <apt>, and <aptitude>, or really cool |
| 19:18.25 | stew | Hoxzer: please /msg the bot |
| 19:18.32 | Hoxzer | :| |
| 19:18.34 | asg | stew: I usually get here at 3:30 but I left work early today. |
| 19:18.35 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 19:18.49 | stew | asg: i forget that you actually irc from the pub |
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| 19:18.56 | lhds | this one 2.6.17.11 it reads sata right? |
| 19:18.59 | lhds | i hope so |
| 19:19.10 | lhds | okay i have to leave you guys thats it for today |
| 19:19.12 | asg | stew: :) If I didn't have mrs. asg, I'd probably never leave |
| 19:19.35 | PrinceAMD | asg: what is on cd1? |
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| 19:20.05 | PrinceAMD | asg:does it have gnome on cd1? |
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| 19:20.15 | freegan-bh | Having problems with loop-aes, help anyone? |
| 19:20.21 | asg | PrinceAMD: /msg dpkg cd contents |
| 19:20.44 | cydork | PrinceAMD, if you have a good net connection go for netinstall. |
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| 19:21.05 | PrinceAMD | i dont have |
| 19:22.04 | PrinceAMD | asg: thankx :D |
| 19:22.42 | abrotman | stew: that picture is dated quite some time ago |
| 19:22.53 | stew | abrotman: i'm watching a live feed |
| 19:22.59 | stew | abrotman: 1fps |
| 19:23.08 | abrotman | eh .. i just clicked it .. it said Jan 2000 |
| 19:23.30 | abrotman | oh .. i guess the date is just messed up |
| 19:23.45 | stew | it's pretty bright out for 9:42PM |
| 19:23.54 | abrotman | is that spoopin sitting there by himself? |
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| 19:25.37 | nvz | people who get away from irc once in awhile would know that it is generally pretty bright around that time |
| 19:25.50 | PrinceAMD | asg: how much GB hard drive space will i need to install all 19cds |
| 19:26.10 | nvz | though dont feel bad I keep towels and shit over my windows to keep the evil light out too |
| 19:26.23 | omry_ | what OSI license would you guys suggest for a server side application that I want to make free for uncommercial use only? |
| 19:26.23 | nvz | if its not my monitor glow I dont want to see any light |
| 19:27.53 | freegan-bh | Tring to losetup -e aes on initrd, returns ioctl: loop_set_status: invalid argument |
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| 19:28.40 | freegan-bh | Help someone? |
| 19:28.44 | pickcoder | omry_: http://www.opensource.org/licenses/ |
| 19:29.00 | abrotman | asg: you work in a crappy college town .. it's 330 on a friday and noone is at the bar! |
| 19:29.07 | pickcoder | omry_: chosing a license is never an easy decision |
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| 19:29.29 | omry_ | pickcoder, right. I just thought one of you happen to know of a license that is close to what I specified. |
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| 19:30.31 | Dan01 | howd ho |
| 19:30.35 | Dan01 | howdy* |
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| 19:32.40 | jelly-home | how to set rotating speed of a DVD device? There's eject or hdparm for CDs, but that doesn't work for dvd media. |
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| 19:33.36 | dev52 | isn't that automatic based on the media and the drive? |
| 19:33.53 | Xxaxx | how can I see speed of data going throu bus to ide hdd via proc ? |
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| 19:36.17 | nvz | hmm I read that without the t the first time |
| 19:37.09 | nvz | must be those speed reading classes I took and the fact that douche matches my vocab and dutche doesnt |
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| 19:38.10 | tarzeau | simon richter? |
| 19:38.24 | nvz | who? |
| 19:38.33 | Seb | simon richter |
| 19:38.46 | nvz | Don't know him |
| 19:38.50 | Seb | me neither |
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| 19:38.57 | nvz | heh |
| 19:39.02 | Seb | ;) |
| 19:39.20 | Seb | man it's pretty dead in here for noon... |
| 19:39.25 | abrotman | !moo |
| 19:39.26 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 19:39.28 | abrotman | better? |
| 19:39.38 | sl1ck | Seb, its 21:40 here :) |
| 19:39.42 | Seb | heh |
| 19:39.48 | nvz | reminds me of how my uncle always calls you some weird name then says "you know him?" |
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| 19:40.24 | nvz | hey simon richter! You know him? |
| 19:40.30 | nvz | nope, cant say that I do |
| 19:40.32 | Seb | aaah, the previous generation's jokes, endless fun :) |
| 19:41.03 | nvz | Seb: eh? |
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| 19:41.39 | tarzeau | simon richter wants to fix #376836 |
| 19:41.42 | Seb | nvz: my father too has that type of jokes. I was merely pointing out that it's prolly all the people their age... |
| 19:42.02 | nvz | Seb: ah I thought he was just a weird-o |
| 19:42.11 | Seb | nvz: not at all :D |
| 19:42.59 | nvz | like that time I brought a friend from the burgh down here and we went over his house and he was telling my friend a story and used the phrase "tighter than a crabs ass to the curb" which ammused my friend |
| 19:43.05 | nvz | I never heard that one before either |
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| 19:44.14 | abrotman | !dbugs 376836 |
| 19:44.24 | dpkg | #376836:W[schism] schism: Shism development continues; Wed, 5 Jul 2006 11:33:04 UTC |
| 19:44.32 | nvz | I remember we did a roof job out in Mt Morris a few years ago and I was driving us there in my volvo, and he said to me "slow down you'll be there before we get there." |
| 19:44.46 | simonrvn | yeh, but you don't get the full msg that way |
| 19:44.47 | nvz | since he was in the back seat and I was driving I pretty much already figured that one out |
| 19:45.07 | abrotman | simonrvn: it's enough to know i don't care :) |
| 19:45.17 | Seb | nvz: ok, he *is* weird :D |
| 19:45.20 | simonrvn | that's a weird one |
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| 19:45.38 | simonrvn | nvz said volvo, and some user with the nick Volvo leaves |
| 19:45.43 | nvz | Seb: well he was smokin a joint at the time and meant to say something like slow down so he could get high |
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| 19:46.07 | nvz | yeah thats just a reminder of how dumb I am for sending my volvo to the junk yard |
| 19:46.24 | Seb | nvz: hehehehe |
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| 19:46.49 | simonrvn | abrotman: i never remember to use (@|!|~)dbugs anyway =) |
| 19:46.59 | obtix | simple question... how do i use gzip to compress a folder and all files\folders below it? man isn't giving me enough info. |
| 19:47.07 | nvz | I ran into a guy the other day who must be a new student in town. couldnt for the life of him figure out how to get from over on the west side of the river to over by where I live in star city.. and he had a real nice shiny new volvo I wanted to jack it |
| 19:47.08 | mutante_ | ph00: 21:45 <+mutante> vrms: ERROR- Badly formed dpkg-status entry #178! |
| 19:47.17 | freegan-bh | Tring to losetup -e aes on initrd, returns ioctl: loop_set_status: invalid argument. Help anyone?? |
| 19:47.18 | mutante_ | pkg=[jargon], pkgstatus=[install ok installed], section=[] |
| 19:47.22 | simonrvn | obtix: um, gzip the dir? |
| 19:47.26 | sl1ck | what should I add to fstab mount line to give the "user" read rights to the mount? |
| 19:47.37 | dev52 | obtix: gzip only compresses one file, you want tar and then gzip |
| 19:47.40 | abrotman | man mount ? |
| 19:47.47 | sl1ck | umask=0? |
| 19:47.58 | stew | sl1ck: what filesystem is it? |
| 19:48.00 | obtix | dev52: so gzip only decompresses? |
| 19:48.00 | nvz | I've been offered about 4 cars in the past few months for little or no cost.. but they were ford or buick I cant even imagine.. |
| 19:48.01 | Seb | obtix: tar czvf foo.tar foo/ |
| 19:48.06 | sl1ck | stew, ntfs |
| 19:48.18 | pickcoder | otbix: my man page says lots about gzip including recursion options like -r or --recursive |
| 19:48.22 | dev52 | and compresses, yes |
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| 19:48.44 | Seb | pickcoder: standard is tar+[gb]zip though :) |
| 19:48.46 | stew | sl1ck: /msg dpkg ntfsro |
| 19:49.01 | nvz | I need a quality built safe car that I can easily work on. fords are a nightmare huge engine little compartment and a million sensors that serve no purpose but to antagonize the owner :P |
| 19:49.13 | Seb | nvz: audi :) |
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| 19:49.37 | pickcoder | Seb: some people still like to gzip the directory and give it to a Windoze user so they can both get totally confused about gzip versus zip. |
| 19:49.46 | Seb | pickcoder: hehehehe |
| 19:50.02 | mindbob | Hey guys, I have a new pc i built using gigabyte ga-kne board with nforce4-4x chipset, and two 300gb sata drives, when i boot up it hangs at loading ide-disks driver, im guessing i need to load a sata driver on boot, any ideas? |
| 19:50.30 | dev52 | I have an idea! |
| 19:50.37 | sl1ck | stew, thx |
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| 19:51.07 | pickcoder | mindbob: AFAIK the nvidia chipsets cause major grief on older kernels |
| 19:51.16 | pickcoder | mindbob: what SATA controller chipset do you have |
| 19:51.17 | nvz | yeah I like Volvo, Audi, Bens, Rolls, Jag the most. I really want to either get another volvo or a benz right now I am looking toward something newer than my 90 760GLE I had.. If I can afford it.. if I go benz I will probably have to look into late 80s early 90s 100-300 series. |
| 19:51.26 | mindbob | pickcoder, not sure, will it be in the motherboard manual? |
| 19:51.36 | mindbob | pickcoder, im planning on using unstable, with 2.6.x kernel tho.... |
| 19:51.59 | nvz | Seb: I gotta do my homework on it though this time.. my car became really hard to find parts for much less afford them. |
| 19:52.01 | pickcoder | mindbob: no, you'll need to look at the boot up screen. If you have RAID turned on it should show you disk status including the controller manuf |
| 19:52.02 | dev52 | mindbob: did you intend for this machine to run linux at the time you were considering buying it? |
| 19:52.16 | mindbob | yes |
| 19:52.41 | mindbob | in the manual it says: 4 serial ata ports from nvidia nforce4-4x conmtroller |
| 19:52.47 | Seb | nvz: i don't mess much with my car; chipping it was all i did. And I didin't ven do that myself :) |
| 19:52.48 | hlprmnky | mindbob: I take it you're using a stock kernel? |
| 19:52.50 | Seb | *didn't even |
| 19:52.55 | pickcoder | mindbob: or Google for your board model # and 'SATA" |
| 19:52.55 | mindbob | i ahvnt setup raid there is no option in bios |
| 19:53.08 | mindbob | isnt it nvidia chipset? |
| 19:53.16 | dev52 | NEVER buy hardware without KNOWING if it will be supported |
| 19:53.24 | mindbob | i assumed it was |
| 19:53.24 | hlprmnky | something to consider is to make sure your initrd is loading the modules you need for your drives |
| 19:53.25 | nvz | Seb: I dont trust anyone to care for my vehicle, and I can do it cheaper and always know what condition its in. |
| 19:53.41 | dev52 | that is what the hardware compatibility list is for |
| 19:53.43 | hlprmnky | I had that problem when moving from self-compiled to stock kernels a few weeks ago, but it's pretty easy to fix |
| 19:53.46 | stew | mindbob: put the output of "lspci ; lspci -n" into a pastebin |
| 19:54.11 | mindbob | stew, there is no os installed, how the hell am i supposed to do that? |
| 19:54.16 | dev52 | let's see if we can pull this oue out of the fire... can you still return it? |
| 19:54.23 | mindbob | no |
| 19:54.30 | stew | mindbob: from a livecd |
| 19:54.36 | nvz | Seb: oil change for example when I had that 760GLE would be $20-40 at most places you'd usually have to wait about half an hour or more, and thats if they could even figure out that the drain plug was metric and they didnt have a tool for it.. when it cost me like $7 to get oil and filter and 10 min to do it myself |
| 19:54.40 | mindbob | stew, good idea |
| 19:54.47 | mindbob | dev52, why the hell would i want to retun it man |
| 19:54.53 | mindbob | this shit is bound to be supported |
| 19:55.03 | Seb | nvz: true. But I'm way to lazy. And not confident enough in my car skills :) |
| 19:55.08 | dev52 | well |
| 19:55.08 | nvz | and you got to trust that grease monkey to make sure the seal is removed from the old filter and its put back on right |
| 19:55.12 | pickcoder | mindbob: the nv sata stuff is still pretty new |
| 19:55.13 | dev52 | good luck with that |
| 19:55.25 | dev52 | I hope it is and all |
| 19:55.28 | pickcoder | mindbob: For $50 you can buy an adaptec controller that most kernels will see as a SCSI card |
| 19:55.28 | stew | mindbob: did you try the 2.6 kernel or just the default (2.4) kernel? |
| 19:55.36 | hlprmnky | remember the linux hardware creed: One Version Old! :p |
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| 19:56.11 | mindbob | stew, default |
| 19:56.14 | stew | rcy: ! |
| 19:56.15 | mindbob | how do i boot 2.6 kernel |
| 19:56.21 | dev52 | there exists hardware and chipsets that as of this point cannot be supported |
| 19:56.26 | mindbob | damn |
| 19:56.29 | stew | mindbob: type "linux26" at the boot: prompt |
| 19:56.34 | nvz | Seb: yeah I am no mechanic.. but I bought a fat manual and learned.. I put a water pump, starter, plugs, wires, oil pressure sensor, oil pan gasket, tail light, turn signal, and a mirror on it.. heh I broke a lot of stuff.. in addition to routine maint tires and such and the tailpipe I replaced |
| 19:56.38 | rcy | stew: oh hey |
| 19:56.58 | dev52 | use your mindbob! |
| 19:57.22 | Seb | yeah 2.6 will do much better with sata, that's for sure |
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| 19:58.06 | nvz | Seb: I had blown the head gasket after replacing the water pump because I didnt make sure the engine was clean and I later disecting it found pieces of the old pump throughout. I was in over my head once I was knee deep in that engine. |
| 19:58.08 | dev52 | one more time, for everyone: |
| 19:58.12 | mindbob | ok booting 2.6 |
| 19:58.14 | dev52 | NEVER buy hardware without KNOWING if it will be supported |
| 19:58.20 | mindbob | and i just setup a mirrored raid |
| 19:58.22 | Seb | nvz: hah |
| 19:58.27 | mindbob | HAHAHA |
| 19:58.44 | Seb | funny shit, huh |
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| 19:58.56 | mindbob | it detected it |
| 19:59.05 | dev52 | very good |
| 19:59.13 | mindbob | YAYA!!! |
| 19:59.13 | mindbob | you all scared me then |
| 19:59.13 | mindbob | little blighters |
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| 19:59.36 | nvz | Seb: it was fun if I had like $1000 for parts to fix it I would have put it back together.. it was easy to work on little 2.8 6cyl fuel injected engine in a roomy compartment with a hood that went completly vertical and locked so I could sit in there and work on it. |
| 20:00.05 | muaddib | Does anyone know if a SATA controller that is PCIex based with 4 ports |
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| 20:00.25 | Seb | muaddib: parse error |
| 20:00.30 | dev52 | muaddib: why, you in the market? |
| 20:00.41 | abrotman | muaddib: #hardware |
| 20:01.00 | muaddib | dev52: Yes sir I given up trying to get my crap motherboard sata comntroller to work |
| 20:01.01 | abrotman | dev52: no .. he's asking because he wants to use it for bait |
| 20:01.51 | cydork | abrotman, hehe |
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| 20:02.11 | abrotman | muaddib: check adaptec and 3ware |
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| 20:02.21 | mindbob | erm why did i get kicked, hardly a flood. |
| 20:02.27 | mindbob | dev52, your just a paranoid phreak. |
| 20:02.31 | mindbob | ofcourse it will be supported |
| 20:02.33 | abrotman | mindbob: you typed too fast |
| 20:02.34 | mindbob | sata is not new |
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| 20:02.41 | mindbob | abrotman, damn, i can't help it if im quick |
| 20:02.42 | mindbob | :op |
| 20:02.46 | abrotman | mindbob: or your client was lagging and sent it all at once |
| 20:02.51 | dev52 | mindbob: you got very lucky, I'm glad that happened |
| 20:03.04 | nvz | mindbob: try completing thoughts and not punctuating with the enter key. the channel maint bot will kick you automatically |
| 20:03.05 | dev52 | but |
| 20:03.11 | ugly | when ifconfig, etc.'s reset the byte counter at 4GBs, does it reset both RX and TX, or just whichever one has reached 4GBs? |
| 20:03.19 | ugly | -'s |
| 20:03.25 | dev52 | read the compatibility list next time, and save yourself some grief |
| 20:03.32 | jelly-home | ugly: the one that overflowed. |
| 20:03.41 | dev52 | oh, and BEFORE you buy :P |
| 20:03.45 | ugly | jelly-home: thanks |
| 20:03.59 | abrotman | muaddib: what onboard sata controller do you have ? |
| 20:04.45 | jelly-home | ugly: that way programs can still "detect" the overflow and work around it, if it reset both it would be unusable |
| 20:04.59 | pickcoder | mauddub: do you mean PCI-X ? |
| 20:05.16 | mindbob | I find it very hard to believe the Nvidia Sata controllers are not supported dev52 |
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| 20:05.19 | mindbob | they are popular man. |
| 20:05.25 | mindbob | cheap alternative |
| 20:05.34 | abrotman | crap alternative? |
| 20:05.43 | ugly | jelly-home: hmm, can you elaborate on how to use the fact that they don't both overflow to detect resets? |
| 20:05.45 | dev52 | mindbob: and could have been under NDA for all those reasons |
| 20:05.47 | abrotman | which kernel is muaddib using ? |
| 20:05.48 | jelly-home | mindbob: did you take a look at the libata web page? |
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| 20:05.55 | abrotman | !sata faq |
| 20:05.55 | dpkg | http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html or http://linux-ata.org/ |
| 20:05.57 | pickcoder | mindbob: some manuf prefer to release binary drivers for a specific distro of Linux |
| 20:06.01 | mindbob | dev52, NDA? |
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| 20:06.13 | dev52 | Non DIsclosure Agreement |
| 20:06.16 | mindbob | jelly-home, whats that? |
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| 20:06.24 | abrotman | sata_nv is the driver apparnetly |
| 20:06.26 | jelly-home | mindbob: driver for sata |
| 20:06.28 | ugly | jelly-home: I'm writing a script, and I planned to just check if current bandwidth is less than total as a check |
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| 20:06.29 | mindbob | oh |
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| 20:06.37 | mindbob | you guys need to be a little more optomistic |
| 20:06.44 | ugly | jelly-home: but if there's A Better Way(TM) :P |
| 20:07.10 | jelly-home | ugly: not really, it's just if prev < current value assume overflow |
| 20:07.17 | ugly | ok |
| 20:07.20 | usn | hi folx |
| 20:07.23 | dev52 | the source of optimism is the fact that debian kernels come with all the drivers in one shot... if anything can support your hardware, that can |
| 20:07.31 | jelly-home | ugly: err. prev > curr of course. ;-) |
| 20:07.42 | ugly | yea |
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| 20:08.09 | mindbob | ok thanks for the help people |
| 20:08.17 | mindbob | im off to enjoy my friday night and relax with a beer |
| 20:08.24 | ugly | mmm beer |
| 20:08.44 | dev52 | mindbob: glad it worked out |
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| 20:15.22 | g333k_work | Hi, I'm working on autologin using gdm... if I modifiy the option: TimedLoginEnable=true, gdm is suppossed to fill out the user and password for me right? |
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| 20:16.34 | abrotman | there's an option specifically for logging in |
| 20:17.21 | g333k_work | abrotman, AutomaticLoginEnable? |
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| 20:18.05 | abrotman | eh .. i don't think that's it .. i'm not in front of a box with gnome .. maybe ask #gnome on irc.gnome.org |
| 20:18.09 | mindbob | lol |
| 20:18.16 | mindbob | dev52, it didnt, it failed on installing the kernel |
| 20:18.17 | mindbob | =| |
| 20:18.21 | abrotman | and google didn't help me find it either |
| 20:18.30 | cydork | !bless mindbob |
| 20:18.31 | dpkg | O $DEITY, bless your child mindbob, who is about to do something stupid and needs all the help you can give. Amen. |
| 20:18.40 | mindbob | what? |
| 20:19.04 | dev52 | mindbob: did it install other things besides the kernel? |
| 20:20.15 | stew | g333k_work: have you tried gdmsetup? |
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| 20:22.04 | g333k_work | stew, It doesnt work for me, remember yesterday I was looking for "auto-login with specific users to specific terminals" ? |
| 20:22.19 | stew | g333k_work: i remember. why doesn't it work for you? |
| 20:22.52 | g333k_work | stew, because there is a hack to make it... |
| 20:23.00 | g333k_work | stew, http://www.k12ltsp.org/phpwiki/index.php/GDM%20auto-login%20with%20specific%20users%20to%20specific%20terminals |
| 20:23.06 | sparc | has anyone gotten stacked raid to initialize fully on boot? |
| 20:23.33 | sparc | i'm having a terrible time booting with some partitions on raid 1+0 sets |
| 20:23.44 | sparc | i have to boot and run mdrun manuall |
| 20:23.48 | sparc | manually |
| 20:24.03 | sparc | in the recovery root prompt |
| 20:24.30 | sparc | because fsck can't find the 1+0 block devices |
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| 20:24.41 | sparc | (in testing amd64) |
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| 20:26.03 | hlprmnky | Does anyone have a known-good set of package versions for madwifi-source and wpasupplicant to work together under stock 2.6.17-2 kernel? |
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| 20:28.29 | hlprmnky | I upgraded from a home-rolled kernel to stock recently and it seems that the latest wpasupplicant from unstable and the latest madwifi-source from m-a a-i madwifi are...not made for each other |
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| 20:29.51 | robin_sz | on my windows box, Firefox regularly checks for updates and updates itself ... how do I persuade firfox on my debian box to do the same thing? |
| 20:30.37 | diilbert | robin_sz: IT shoudl work the same way unless you have an okder version |
| 20:30.40 | streuner | get newer version |
| 20:30.57 | robin_sz | hmmm |
| 20:31.02 | diilbert | It has worked for me anyway... I get the "Firefox will be updated at the next restart" on occassion |
| 20:31.09 | robin_sz | coo |
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| 20:31.54 | robin_sz | oh well, backports has firefox 1.5 anyway |
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| 20:32.32 | karsten | liable: You around? |
| 20:33.32 | karsten | liable: /msg me with that wiki page we were looking at yesterday, I've misplaced the link. |
| 20:34.25 | strat50s | you know... when you run dpkg-reconfigure debconf it asks you about choosing debconf interface: readline, Gnome, KDE... do you know in which file this setting is stored? |
| 20:34.39 | karsten | liable: ... erm, found it ;-) |
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| 20:36.14 | abrotman | strat50s: give me a moment |
| 20:36.21 | strat50s | ok abchirk_ |
| 20:36.25 | strat50s | sorry abrotman I mean :) |
| 20:36.28 | abchirk_ | .. |
| 20:36.28 | abrotman | !beer abchirk_ |
| 20:36.39 | strat50s | !beer abrotman |
| 20:36.44 | strat50s | ;) |
| 20:37.04 | abchirk_ | i told abrotman so much times that he should change the "ab" |
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| 20:37.14 | abrotman | yeah yeah |
| 20:37.20 | strat50s | :) |
| 20:37.21 | abrotman | a simple _ and you'd be home free |
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| 20:37.39 | strat50s | I'll give you some pizza |
| 20:37.44 | abrotman | strat50s: /var/cache/debconf/config.dat |
| 20:37.47 | strat50s | I'm waiting for 2 great pizzas |
| 20:37.50 | strat50s | let me see that file |
| 20:37.55 | mindbob | dev52, got it working =) |
| 20:37.57 | mindbob | debian is isntalled. |
| 20:38.02 | mindbob | any of you guys know what this means? |
| 20:38.10 | abrotman | strat50s: be careful in there .. you can do some serious damage |
| 20:38.14 | mindbob | ug 25 21:27:47 gateway kernel: audit(1156537667.686:2): dev=ppp0 prom=256 old_prom=0 auid=4294967295 |
| 20:38.14 | mindbob | Aug 25 21:30:32 gateway kernel: device ppp0 left promiscuous mode |
| 20:38.14 | mindbob | Aug 25 21:30:32 gateway kernel: audit(1156537832.480:3): dev=ppp0 prom=0 old_prom=256 auid=4294967295 |
| 20:38.19 | mindbob | pr even why tis happening? |
| 20:38.29 | stew | mindbob: please don't paste in here, use a pastebin: /msg dpkg pastebin |
| 20:38.30 | strat50s | Name: debconf/frontend |
| 20:38.30 | strat50s | Template: debconf/frontend |
| 20:38.30 | strat50s | Value: Gnome |
| 20:38.31 | strat50s | Owners: debconf |
| 20:38.31 | strat50s | Flags: seen |
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| 20:38.38 | stew | or that will happen |
| 20:38.38 | abrotman | or that will happen! |
| 20:38.39 | strat50s | sorry |
| 20:38.40 | strat50s | :( |
| 20:38.43 | abrotman | jinx! |
| 20:38.43 | stew | jinx |
| 20:38.48 | abrotman | jinx! |
| 20:38.53 | strat50s | abrotman, serious damage? |
| 20:39.04 | strat50s | I just want to change default value from Readline to Gnome.... from a script |
| 20:39.08 | abrotman | strat50s: if you change it to something invalid .. no idea hwat could happen |
| 20:39.17 | strat50s | yeah... that's Perl ;) |
| 20:39.27 | abrotman | oh yeah .. perl never hurt anyone |
| 20:39.32 | stew | strat50s: dpkg-reconfigure -fdialog debconf |
| 20:39.44 | strat50s | mmm that's another point |
| 20:39.44 | abrotman | see .. you can do that! |
| 20:39.54 | strat50s | stew, would it change it permanently? |
| 20:40.00 | strat50s | if so... that's great |
| 20:40.01 | stew | strat50s: oh, you want to change to gnome? that's probably a bad idea? |
| 20:40.01 | strat50s | :) |
| 20:40.15 | strat50s | what a bad idea? |
| 20:40.18 | stew | strat50s: do you really need to change it from a script? like non-interactively? |
| 20:40.25 | strat50s | yes... |
| 20:40.28 | strat50s | I need it :( |
| 20:40.44 | strat50s | I don't like... but... it's neccesary |
| 20:40.59 | strat50s | non-interactively won't ask anything when dpkg-reconfigure packages? |
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| 20:41.51 | stew | strat50s: "dpkg-reconfigure debconf" will give you a list of potential frontends and let you choose |
| 20:41.55 | xst | When I type munin-node-configure I get a long list of plugins. How do I enable them? |
| 20:42.05 | stew | strat50s: if you need to change the frontend non-interactively, i dunno, |
| 20:42.08 | strat50s | yes but... the user won't be able to access dpkg-reconfigure in its curses configuration |
| 20:42.48 | strat50s | stew, what I'm making is a python/pygtk application to generate a distribution and... ncurses questions cannot be asked by the user |
| 20:42.49 | syntaxx | im using gdesklets running Starterbar now im getting sensor could not be found what package should i need to install for it to work? |
| 20:43.14 | strat50s | that's why I need to change it automatically from the application without any kind of user's action |
| 20:43.31 | strat50s | and... about Perl |
| 20:43.35 | strat50s | read this -> http://mirror4.escomposlinux.org/comic/ecol-13-e.png :) |
| 20:43.48 | strat50s | (bad idea to read it for perl lovers) |
| 20:44.57 | robin_sz | at least its easier to read than C |
| 20:45.05 | eml | It is certainly not. |
| 20:45.14 | cydork | strat50s, heheh perl is not that bad :P |
| 20:45.17 | strat50s | :D |
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| 20:45.26 | strat50s | well... it was just for fun |
| 20:45.26 | eml | Indeed, neither C or Perl is bad, IMO |
| 20:45.32 | strat50s | a friend of mine programs Perl... |
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| 20:45.47 | strat50s | well he's f*cking mad but that's not the point |
| 20:45.52 | strat50s | he makes really good programs in Perl |
| 20:46.02 | BlackDragon42 | Hello. |
| 20:46.09 | strat50s | makes or does? sorry, my English is poor :( |
| 20:46.36 | strat50s | I was programming in C for years, and it's quite powerful |
| 20:46.39 | eml | In that case, makes. I'd say program though :| |
| 20:46.44 | strat50s | but now I'm lazy... I prefer Python |
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| 20:46.53 | eml | Uhm, well what did you expect? Why wouldn't C be powerful? |
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| 20:47.11 | strat50s | eml, C is powerful |
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| 20:47.16 | robin_sz | Perl getsa lot of crap thrown at it .. you CAN write it very obfuscated, but you dont have to. same with C |
| 20:47.18 | cydork | eml, one word regexp :P |
| 20:47.19 | eml | I mean.. pretty much everything circles around C/C++ now |
| 20:47.26 | strat50s | probably the most powerful programming language I have used |
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| 20:47.32 | eml | cydork, There's regex for C too, just not in the STD-lib |
| 20:47.50 | jshoenberger | How can I take the second word of a line of text and output it to a file? I'm trying to do this in Bash and I'm a little new. |
| 20:47.55 | stew | strat50s: i don't know how you'd be able to set the debconf priority non-interactively besides hacking the actual debconf database or providing a custom debconf package that has a different default. you might install and read the debconf-doc package to see if there are other alternatives |
| 20:47.55 | robin_sz | you can also write Perl so nicely, with plenty of "english phrases" so that even a non-programmer could underastand it |
| 20:48.03 | eml | robin_sz, Indeed! |
| 20:48.05 | cydork | eml, i know that :P |
| 20:48.18 | BlackDragon42 | Hey, abrotman. |
| 20:48.18 | strat50s | jshoenberger, awk {print $2} > file |
| 20:48.19 | stew | jshoenberger: awk '{print $2}' |
| 20:48.22 | jshoenberger | Ah! |
| 20:48.24 | jshoenberger | Thanks! |
| 20:48.27 | strat50s | jshoenberger, awk '{print $2}' > file |
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| 20:48.43 | strat50s | cut -c 2 -d " " will also work, I guess |
| 20:48.52 | strat50s | cut -f 2 -d " "? |
| 20:48.55 | strat50s | I don't remember |
| 20:49.19 | strat50s | well... talking about programming languages... |
| 20:49.51 | strat50s | the saddest thing is that even perl, C... and other good programming languages are not being used in management applications |
| 20:49.52 | strat50s | at least in my country |
| 20:49.59 | strat50s | Visual .NET, Visual Basic, Java... |
| 20:50.12 | strat50s | quick & dirty coding |
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| 20:50.18 | strat50s | that's fashion in Spain :( |
| 20:50.35 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: hi |
| 20:51.08 | ugly | jelly-home: do you happen to know if the 4GB reset occurs exactly at 4,000,000,000 bytes? |
| 20:51.29 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 20:51.29 | dpkg | it has been said that popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 20:51.35 | BlackDragon42 | abrotman, do you remember sometime back when you where chatting with scarynetworkguy and a few others and the subject of the Unabomber came up? |
| 20:51.36 | abrotman | probably more like 4*1024*1024*1024 .. or whatever it is |
| 20:51.49 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: uh .. was that like in 2003? |
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| 20:52.08 | BlackDragon42 | No, it was earlier this year. |
| 20:52.14 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: eh .. no .. why? |
| 20:52.14 | xst | How do I add/remove pluins in munin? |
| 20:52.15 | jelly-home | ugly: nope, at 2^32. |
| 20:52.23 | ugly | abrotman: it resets at 4GBs rather than 4 billion bytes? |
| 20:52.28 | ugly | ah |
| 20:52.34 | abrotman | GB or Gb ? |
| 20:52.37 | xst | E.g. the apache plugin to draw graphs of apache usage |
| 20:52.45 | jelly-home | ugly: 4 GiB ;-) |
| 20:52.46 | ugly | I forget which is which :P |
| 20:52.48 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: ? |
| 20:53.14 | BlackDragon42 | Well, I saved that chat becase it was funny as heck. I might send it in to put it on the fortune program. |
| 20:53.23 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: can you paste in pastebin.ca ? |
| 20:53.30 | abrotman | it might refresh my memory |
| 20:53.40 | BlackDragon42 | Hold on a sec. |
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| 20:56.56 | Eulex | http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=360285 :) |
| 20:57.01 | tomek_ | hello, why doesn't start-stop-daemon demonize my service application? |
| 20:57.18 | dev52 | you tell us :) |
| 20:57.23 | tomek_ | it is a simple script looped in infinity |
| 20:57.38 | abrotman | Eulex: damn you! |
| 20:57.46 | dev52 | no idea still (why do you think that is?) |
| 20:58.12 | Eulex | abrotman, eh? :) |
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| 20:59.16 | dev52 | (thinking... so... if I still have no idea... I must be missing information... what information could that be...) |
| 21:00.16 | tomek_ | i run start-stop-daemon --exec myfile.sh from function in /etc/init.d/myservice |
| 21:00.31 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: did you fall off your chair? |
| 21:00.46 | abrotman | tomek_: strace it .. see what happens |
| 21:00.54 | dev52 | there's some information.... but still not enough to solve |
| 21:00.56 | cydork | tomek_, did you use skeleton?? |
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| 21:01.38 | tomek_ | what's that? :D no, i modified cupsd |
| 21:01.44 | BlackDragon42 | abrotman, just getting the file. |
| 21:02.25 | cydork | tomek_, then you might be doing something wrong, modify /etc/init.d/skeleton i guess |
| 21:02.28 | abrotman | must be a big flie |
| 21:02.29 | abrotman | file |
| 21:03.10 | tomek_ | i have no such file... |
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| 21:03.28 | abrotman | !run at start |
| 21:03.28 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 21:03.48 | tomek_ | ok, thanks |
| 21:03.50 | dev52 | (so, what information am I missing now... but one thing, it's definitely unusual to exec a script...) |
| 21:04.01 | BlackDragon42 | abrotman: No, just had to search for it. http://pastebin.ca/149454 |
| 21:04.32 | BlackDragon42 | abrotman, I just took off the signins and signoffs. |
| 21:04.41 | tomek_ | hmm. i am now on a good way. thanks :) |
| 21:05.08 | dev52 | all I did was kept saying I don't have enough information!! that actually helped?? |
| 21:05.17 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: jeez .. i thought it would be way longer :) |
| 21:05.23 | tomek_ | yes |
| 21:05.32 | tomek_ | quite |
| 21:05.32 | dev52 | damn I'm good :) |
| 21:05.55 | tomek_ | you were making noise so others helped :p |
| 21:05.59 | BlackDragon42 | abrotman: I think that is small and funny enough for a good fortune cookie. |
| 21:06.02 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 21:06.05 | abrotman | enjoy! |
| 21:06.20 | BlackDragon42 | I just wanted to let you know. |
| 21:06.25 | cydork | BlackDragon42, i think you can find many things like that :P |
| 21:06.29 | tomek_ | actually didn't answer my question, but somehow helped |
| 21:06.44 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: sometimes stupid things happen in #debian :) |
| 21:07.57 | BlackDragon42 | Have you ever read all the fortunes for debian in /usr/share/games/fortune? |
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| 21:09.11 | cydork | BlackDragon42, i try :P, but i have read all the *off* ones |
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| 21:09.30 | abrotman | BlackDragon42: no .. but one of the guys here took all the qotds from dpkg and made them fortunes |
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| 21:10.11 | nvz | 78][p;~~ |
| 21:10.17 | BlackDragon42 | That's cool. |
| 21:10.42 | nvz | ;'~. |
| 21:10.47 | durale | hello |
| 21:10.53 | cydork | nvz, is that the sign that you are drunk, or high ? |
| 21:10.56 | abrotman | !qotd0 |
| 21:10.56 | dpkg | rumour has it, qotd71 is <kbrooks> i believe /var gets rm -rf'd at every boot |
| 21:11.01 | durale | who has ever installed compiz ? |
| 21:11.05 | abrotman | cydork: that was his password |
| 21:11.10 | abrotman | durale: it's not in debian .. and not supported here |
| 21:11.26 | durale | i try to get it worked with debian and my card i810 |
| 21:11.35 | cydork | abrotman, :P |
| 21:11.48 | durale | ok so we can discuss about it here ? |
| 21:12.01 | abrotman | no |
| 21:12.06 | durale | ok sorry |
| 21:12.07 | abrotman | it's not in debian .. you're on your own |
| 21:12.11 | abrotman | try #xorg |
| 21:12.19 | durale | ok thanks |
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| 21:13.21 | g333k_work | Do you know if there is a channel about GDM? |
| 21:14.06 | tonsofpcs | #gdm? |
| 21:14.06 | abrotman | #gnome on irc.gnome.org ? |
| 21:14.09 | tonsofpcs | #gnome ? |
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| 21:15.34 | cydork | abrotman, btw trying out skipstone :P |
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| 21:17.17 | abrotman | cydork: uh ok |
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| 21:18.09 | cydork | abrotman, not bad, not bad at all |
| 21:19.04 | Vasistha | how do I prevent the Infrared Daemon from running? I assume that's what the ps x entry: [kIrDad] refers to |
| 21:19.40 | hobophobe | I'm looking to switch to two SATA for RAID0. If I go ahead and install them while I have this installation of debian on a separate IDE, I can configure it all and then migrate it over somehow? Is there any recent resource (most of them seemed to have old data) to read? |
| 21:20.01 | cydork | Vasistha, update-rc.d, rcconf ? |
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| 21:21.12 | Vasistha | cydork: well, I'm not sure what's starting it... I guess I could grep all the scripts in /etc/init.d |
| 21:21.21 | dev52 | hobophobe: it would be nice if you had a kernel that supported sata hardware... and then buy hardware that is definitely well-supported by drivers |
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| 21:21.59 | cydork | Vasistha, you can run update-rcconf-guide and run rcconf for more info |
| 21:22.12 | hobophobe | dev, yeah. I've got two different RAID/SATA chipsets to work with on my mobo, so hopefully one of them will be good. I'm running a 2.6 kernel, but not sure if I'll need to recompile, etc.? |
| 21:22.16 | Vasistha | cydork: I suppose it's worth a shot, thanks! |
| 21:22.42 | cydork | dev52, it's not your lucky day today :P |
| 21:22.47 | dev52 | hobophobe: but yeah, if you already have debian installed on non-sata drive, you've got full capabilities |
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| 21:22.58 | hobophobe | They both are listed as being supported by libata too. |
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| 21:23.51 | Vasistha | ooh, yow, USC's mirror is down :-( |
| 21:23.53 | dev52 | hobophobe: very good; the next thing is to see if the driver for the sata chipsets load |
| 21:25.00 | BlackDragon42 | They should load if the kernel supports it. |
| 21:25.33 | hobophobe | Well I haven't installed the drives themselves yet. How do I determine if my kernel has it? |
| 21:26.13 | BlackDragon42 | There should be docs of what is supported in your specific kernel. |
| 21:26.33 | hobophobe | okay. I'm just trying to get a clear idea of the process and then I'll proceed in following it. |
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| 21:26.56 | BlackDragon42 | I totally understand that. |
| 21:27.11 | dev52 | hobophobe: you say you have a debian installed on the same machine with the sata controllers? |
| 21:27.15 | pickcoder | hobophone: just boot the thing with the SATA controllers turned on - drives plugged up - and then review dmesg for new drives |
| 21:27.37 | pickcoder | hobophone: if they aren't there, then start debugging one controller at a time |
| 21:27.57 | pickcoder | s/phone/phobe |
| 21:28.11 | pickcoder | too many calls today |
| 21:28.12 | pickcoder | <g> |
| 21:28.22 | Tallu | !tell me about make-dpkg |
| 21:28.31 | BlackDragon42 | Slow, but very detailed and useful. |
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| 21:28.46 | kristalino | !tell me about config |
| 21:28.55 | Vasistha | rather than "tell me" just do /msg dpkg |
| 21:29.12 | kristalino | where can i download .config files from debian stock kernels ? |
| 21:29.26 | Tallu | Vasistha: sorry, I wasnt sure on the command and this way I got a response from dpkg that it was indeed just the wrong command. :) |
| 21:29.53 | Vasistha | kristalino: there should actually be one in /boot |
| 21:30.17 | Vasistha | kristalino: you can just copy, e.g., /boot/config-2.6.8 or whatever it's called |
| 21:30.20 | kristalino | Vasistha, where can i download them on the internet ? |
| 21:30.35 | BlackDragon42 | Do a search. |
| 21:30.46 | kristalino | wow |
| 21:30.51 | Vasistha | kristalino: google would know better than I |
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| 21:31.07 | cr3 | what's that command to run after modifying xorg.conf? |
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| 21:32.30 | cabaire | I switched from SuSE 9.0 to sarge, however, poweroff does neither work with the pristine 2.6.8-i386 nor a homegrown 2.6.16-k6 kernel |
| 21:32.32 | BlackDragon42 | cr3: What do you mean? |
| 21:33.44 | cr3 | BlackDragon42: that md5sum command |
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| 21:34.02 | cabaire | oops, that was a switch from SuSE 7.0 to Sarge |
| 21:34.04 | stranger_stone | Hello :) |
| 21:34.49 | cr3 | what's the name of that command to pipe to a file and stdout? |
| 21:35.06 | stew | cr3: cat |
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| 21:35.19 | stew | cr3: oh, tee |
| 21:35.22 | stew | i misread the first time |
| 21:35.33 | BlackDragon42 | cr3: try to cat a file to audio. |
| 21:35.37 | Tallu | Yay |
| 21:35.42 | BlackDragon42 | Fun stuff. |
| 21:36.02 | Tallu | Almost done reinstalling my sarge box.. just so that I get used to all the processes that I have to go through when setting up a box. :) |
| 21:36.26 | pickcoder | cat dog > audio |
| 21:36.27 | durale | ok i broke apt-get :( |
| 21:36.46 | syntaxx | what package converts .ico to .png? |
| 21:36.47 | durale | apt-get -f install -- >: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) |
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| 21:36.55 | BlackDragon42 | Well /dev/audio |
| 21:36.58 | durale | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 21:36.59 | durale | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:36.59 | durale | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:37.11 | durale | i don t know how to fix it |
| 21:37.13 | Eulex | durale, look above. and please not paste in here |
| 21:37.18 | durale | ok |
| 21:37.19 | blondie | durale: do you mind, I like using apt-get :( |
| 21:37.26 | Eulex | does it say some error before Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)? |
| 21:37.37 | durale | yes |
| 21:37.53 | Eulex | pastebin it |
| 21:37.56 | Eulex | pastebin.ca |
| 21:37.59 | durale | ok |
| 21:38.39 | FarrisG | So this one software vendor will not support our problem unless we reproduce on a real RedHat Enterprise OS. FC/CentOS just aren't good enough for them, they won't even look at us without RHEL. |
| 21:39.04 | FarrisG | So I'm going to bite the bullet and put RHEL on ONE of my 60 machines. Just for reproduction purposes. |
| 21:39.30 | FarrisG | Anybody know of any deals or promotion codes so I don't have to pay full price for an OS I can't stand? |
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| 21:39.35 | durale | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/149478 |
| 21:39.38 | dev52 | are you paying them? |
| 21:40.10 | durale | did you get it Eulex |
| 21:40.17 | FarrisG | dev52: Yeah, that's what kills me. We paid for this software, and it works for th emost part on any dist. But they won't troubleshoot problems unless we run it on RHEL |
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| 21:40.38 | pickcoder | FarrisG: that's true for a lot of commercial solutions geared towards Linux |
| 21:40.41 | dev52 | I'd say they damn well better support you if you're paying |
| 21:41.06 | pickcoder | FarrisG: I have that issue here with our DB |
| 21:41.35 | FarrisG | pickcoder: Yeah, but in my industry, most of the software vendors are using FC4. So I can't justify switching everything to RHEL, when (a) 90% of our software is even supported under Debian, and the vendors themselves are using FC |
| 21:41.36 | ^Michael | Which package include 'mkraid' ? I've apt-get for raidutils, mdadm and raidtools2 |
| 21:41.41 | ^Michael | Software raid creation ^ |
| 21:42.21 | Eulex | !search |
| 21:42.21 | dpkg | i heard search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> listkeys <thing> to find factoids containing <thing>. |
| 21:42.28 | Eulex | specifically, apt-file |
| 21:42.34 | pickcoder | FarrisG: if FC is anything like RH9 <- then I wouldn't touch it with a virtual pole |
| 21:43.01 | FarrisG | pickcoder: It's not my favorite by any means, but it works, and it's what most of our vendors use |
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| 21:43.28 | cydork | pickcoder, it's worse than RH9 :) |
| 21:43.36 | durale | Eulex can you read my post please about apt-get |
| 21:43.38 | pickcoder | FarrisG: I have etch running on quite a few internal machines here and it's just as stable (if not more stable) than any of the RH distros I've used |
| 21:43.50 | durale | i really don t know how to fix it |
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| 21:44.01 | FarrisG | pickcoder: I agree. Etch is running on 90% of my compute farm here |
| 21:44.21 | FarrisG | pickcoder: I'm not debating that Debian is stable, it's still my favorite and the one I use most of the time |
| 21:44.28 | Maulkin | I woudn't reccomend etch on a production system, unless you can do your own security updates |
| 21:44.30 | ^Michael | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:44.30 | ^Michael | -bash: apt-file: command not found |
| 21:44.31 | ^Michael | :X |
| 21:44.34 | durale | is there any other command as apt-get -f install |
| 21:44.48 | Maulkin | ^Michael: apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update |
| 21:44.57 | durale | man apt :) |
| 21:45.00 | pickcoder | FarrisG: I know.. it's not always our call, even if we know better |
| 21:45.20 | ^Michael | ty Maulkin |
| 21:45.29 | dev52 | or man apt-get actually |
| 21:45.45 | durale | apt-get autoclean maybe] |
| 21:45.55 | Eulex | durale, I'm reading. you're problem is that you're using some third party repository that has a package that's named glitz, which contains the same files as libglitz1 and libglitz-glx1 |
| 21:46.12 | durale | yes exactly |
| 21:46.14 | FarrisG | pickcoder: I'm just steamed that our managers would sign this deal and pay for this software without consulting me on the "requirements" |
| 21:46.41 | FarrisG | pickcoder: So now I have to deal with it, and have one "support" machine to say to the vendor "Look, it's having the same problem on your precious RHEL, so don't give me that excuse anymore" |
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| 21:46.58 | Eulex | durale, just remove that package and you should be fine. |
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| 21:47.49 | LoonaTick | hi |
| 21:47.56 | pickcoder | FarrisG: see if you can find someone that offers virtual servers for RHEL. |
| 21:47.58 | LoonaTick | When trying to install libc6-dev, I get a strange problem: |
| 21:47.59 | LoonaTick | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:48.07 | durale | i remove the package from where ? |
| 21:48.13 | LoonaTick | anyone know how I can fix this? |
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| 21:48.19 | stew | LoonaTick: you are trying to mix stable and unstable, which you shoudl not do |
| 21:48.20 | azeem | LoonaTick: you installed testing's libc6 before |
| 21:48.22 | pickcoder | FarrisG: I know of one virtual server farm, but I dunno if they run RHEL or not. I can ask. They are in the US. |
| 21:48.34 | durale | Eulex: /var/cache/apt/archives/ ? |
| 21:48.35 | Eulex | LoonaTick, you're running testing or unstable and have got stable as repo |
| 21:48.42 | Eulex | durale, ... |
| 21:48.49 | Eulex | durale, remove as in apt-get remove it |
| 21:48.54 | LoonaTick | azeem: I see. The server installer had both stable and unstable in sources.list, so I removed unstable and ran dist-upgrade |
| 21:48.54 | durale | ah ok |
| 21:48.55 | dev52 | any vserver farms run debian? |
| 21:49.08 | stew | LoonaTick: you cannot downgrade from unstable to stable |
| 21:49.14 | LoonaTick | ok |
| 21:49.17 | pickcoder | dev52: I think he's setup debian before, but I'd have to ask to verify |
| 21:49.31 | LoonaTick | malaysians :( |
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| 21:49.34 | stew | LoonaTick: what version of libc6 do you have installed now? |
| 21:49.47 | LoonaTick | stew: apt says 2.3.6-13 |
| 21:49.48 | azeem | 2.3.6-13 |
| 21:49.51 | LoonaTick | but i'm not sure |
| 21:49.53 | Vasistha | cydork: hmm .. I still see no indication of what is starting this infrared daemon |
| 21:50.00 | azeem | LoonaTick: dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 |
| 21:50.00 | LoonaTick | so, should I put sources.list back to unstable, or to testing? |
| 21:50.05 | azeem | LoonaTick: wait |
| 21:50.06 | durale | no Eulex i tried to remove via apt-get remove |
| 21:50.14 | durale | but still the same issue |
| 21:50.17 | LoonaTick | ii libc6 2.3.6-13 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 21:50.21 | LoonaTick | 2.3.6-13 |
| 21:50.32 | Eulex | durale, ok. could you pastebin what happened then? I doubt it's the same issue. |
| 21:50.43 | FarrisG | pickcoder: Thanks, but a farm won't help. For corporate IP reasons, we have to run this stuff inhouse |
| 21:50.43 | durale | ok |
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| 21:51.11 | pickcoder | http://www.easyco.com/electserv/servers/index.htm |
| 21:51.26 | durale | http://pastebin.ca/149487 |
| 21:51.34 | LoonaTick | azeem: (wait for? thnx if you're helping.) |
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| 21:51.51 | azeem | LoonaTick: what are you using this computer for? |
| 21:52.02 | LoonaTick | azeem: It's to be webserver/pgsql server |
| 21:52.12 | azeem | LoonaTick: and who installed it? |
| 21:52.15 | LoonaTick | azeem: The machine is in malaysia, I have no physical access |
| 21:52.21 | LoonaTick | azeem: The malaysians |
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| 21:52.25 | azeem | LoonaTick: hrm, ok |
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| 21:52.35 | azeem | why do you need libc6-dev? |
| 21:52.52 | LoonaTick | I want to install Perl DBI module, which requires g++-dev |
| 21:52.54 | Eulex | durale, oh... I meant, remove glitz. |
| 21:53.00 | LoonaTick | (installing it trough CPAN) |
| 21:53.01 | dev52 | wants to complie aprogram :) |
| 21:53.09 | cydork | Vasistha, there is no irda-utils in init.d ?? |
| 21:53.12 | azeem | LoonaTick: can you not install it through apt? |
| 21:53.24 | durale | ah |
| 21:53.26 | Vasistha | cydork: not that I see |
| 21:53.43 | azeem | LoonaTick: libdbi-perl |
| 21:53.50 | LoonaTick | azeem: mm I can try, but i'm not sure if all modules I need are in apt |
| 21:53.57 | LoonaTick | I'll try, thanks :) |
| 21:53.59 | azeem | LoonaTick: try that first |
| 21:54.09 | dev52 | there's a cpan builder thingy |
| 21:54.10 | durale | just glitz or apt-get remove libglitz1 |
| 21:54.11 | LoonaTick | If not, I must order to have it reinstalled? |
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| 21:54.15 | azeem | LoonaTick: otherwise, I suggest you leave the server as is until the next version releases (etch) |
| 21:54.22 | Vasistha | cydork: is it possible that [kIrDad] is not referring to infrared? I mean ... that was just my assumption, I don't know for sure |
| 21:54.24 | azeem | LoonaTick: if not, ask again here |
| 21:54.32 | LoonaTick | ok, thanks :) |
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| 21:55.02 | Eulex | durale, just apt-get remove glitz. |
| 21:55.50 | cydork | Vasistha, i have no idea what it's referring to, :) |
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| 21:55.59 | durale | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/149490 |
| 21:56.05 | rabies | im trying to get knetworkmanager to save my WPA key, but it keeps on forgetting it somehow, any ideas? |
| 21:57.43 | Eulex | durale, try: apt-get install -glitz libglitz1 libglitz-glx1 |
| 21:57.45 | Eulex | eh |
| 21:57.52 | Eulex | apt-get install glitz- libglitz1 libglitz-glx1 |
| 22:00.02 | durale | nop |
| 22:00.03 | durale | e |
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| 22:00.51 | NickTheGreek | How can I print out every 4th line of a text file? |
| 22:01.00 | NickTheGreek | 3rd ones blank =/ |
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| 22:01.35 | cydork | Vasistha, just unload the irda module |
| 22:01.56 | es0 | I messed up and executed "chown -R <normaluser> /" |
| 22:02.08 | NickTheGreek | << £åùgHïñG Öú± £ÖùÐ! >> |
| 22:02.18 | Vasistha | cydork: isn't there some kind of blacklist or something -- well what I really want is to prevent it from loading on boot |
| 22:02.19 | es0 | is there a command that can fix file permissions Or will I need to reinstall? |
| 22:02.43 | Vasistha | es0: get out your backup ... or reinstall, yeah. you fucked up :P |
| 22:03.21 | dev52 | es0: if that worked, you had to be root... |
| 22:03.22 | NickTheGreek | How can I print out every 4th line of a text file? |
| 22:03.26 | es0 | Vasistha. It's a brand new box.. I was setting it up for production. It won't hurt to reinstall.. but I 've wasted the last 4 days. |
| 22:03.44 | es0 | dev52. I was root. |
| 22:03.46 | dev52 | NickTheGreek: it's a SMOP |
| 22:03.54 | Vasistha | es0: well, you can back up your present /etc and /var/cache/apt and save a few headaches |
| 22:03.57 | cydork | Vasistha, /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 22:03.58 | stew | NickTheGreek: awk "{if(NR%4==0){ print }}" |
| 22:04.02 | durale | Eulex: i tried apt-get - f remove |
| 22:04.06 | NickTheGreek | Oh cool, thanks! |
| 22:04.07 | Vasistha | cydork: ahh, thanks! |
| 22:04.11 | durale | but still broken |
| 22:04.18 | durale | what s going on ? |
| 22:04.27 | dev52 | meaning: Simple Matter Of Programming |
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| 22:04.51 | durale | how to fix that...:( |
| 22:05.24 | Eulex | sorry, I'm going to bed. hope someone else can help you, durale |
| 22:05.50 | durale | ok Eulex thanks u very much for your help |
| 22:05.55 | durale | have a good night |
| 22:06.27 | Eulex | goodnight :) |
| 22:06.45 | durale | is there anybody who is capable to help me with my apt-get issue / |
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| 22:07.27 | PerfDave | !ops Virus onjoin porn spam |
| 22:07.27 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS, Alife, Myon, Ganneff, Maulkin, weasel: perfdave complains about: Virus onjoin porn spam |
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| 22:08.30 | PerfDave | Cheers |
| 22:10.15 | PerfDave | Anyway, so I've just installed Sarge on my new laptop. I've done a one-partition install (plus swap) and put / on LVM, and I can't install grub. grub-install tells me "/dev/mapper/hda-root does not have any corresponding BIOS drive." |
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| 22:11.39 | PerfDave | I'm sure I've had root-on-LVM before, but lsat time I remember d-i installing grub for me rather than lilo. |
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| 22:12.06 | stew | PerfDave: for /boot on lvm you must use lilo |
| 22:13.24 | stew | (and an initrd) |
| 22:13.40 | PerfDave | stew: Ah, maybe that's what I did differently that time. |
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| 22:15.29 | durale | i found the solution dpkg --configure -a |
| 22:15.34 | durale | very useful |
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| 22:17.10 | Tallu | Uhm any suggestions on how to automatically create a default quota for new users.. is there any way? |
| 22:17.10 | YedekNick | hi |
| 22:17.22 | myren | 1) where do i change the number of virtual desktops in gnome & 2) is there a decent guide to useful gnome config stuff in the gnome gconf |
| 22:17.31 | YedekNick | is there a tool like easyubuntu for debian ? |
| 22:17.45 | PerfDave | YedekNick: What does easyubuntu do? |
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| 22:17.52 | myren | please tell me i can blame icaza for moving gnome into gconf |
| 22:18.01 | myren | as in, the setup for gnome |
| 22:18.06 | ion_bidon | can I install gentoo on debian ? |
| 22:18.13 | dev52 | durale: you can repeat that with apt-get *upgrade |
| 22:18.16 | stew | ion_bidon: yeah, "apt-get install gentoo" |
| 22:18.26 | ion_bidon | stew: not that gentoo :) |
| 22:18.26 | YedekNick | PerfDave, it installs mp3 and video codec supports etc. |
| 22:18.35 | dev52 | ion_bidon: maybe in a chroot |
| 22:18.46 | PerfDave | YedekNick: There's marillat's repository, assuming that it's legal for you to use it. |
| 22:18.48 | dev52 | what are you really want? |
| 22:19.01 | ion_bidon | I want to create and verify ebuilds |
| 22:19.25 | swamptoo | Q: what graphical package manager do most debian users use? |
| 22:19.36 | stew | swamptoo: aptitude |
| 22:19.36 | dev52 | for which you have to install gentoo? |
| 22:19.40 | Coweater | aptitude, synaptic |
| 22:19.44 | swamptoo | ok thx |
| 22:19.47 | PerfDave | swamptoo: I don't think that anyone on this channel can speak for "most" Debian users. |
| 22:19.49 | ion_bidon | dev52: I don't know, Im not familiar with ebuilds |
| 22:19.56 | ion_bidon | Ill document myself about them |
| 22:19.57 | dev52 | meetoo |
| 22:20.00 | durale | sorry dev52 |
| 22:20.10 | durale | what do u want? |
| 22:20.44 | dev52 | dpkg --configure -a ; apt-get -f install |
| 22:20.52 | dev52 | until neither does anything |
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| 22:22.11 | durale | dpkg --configure -a said i found the package which has to be removed |
| 22:22.18 | dev52 | then your install should be ok, and your packaging system should be uptodate and intact |
| 22:22.20 | mmiikkee12 | i have 3 printers i can't remove, how do i get rid of them |
| 22:22.21 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 22:22.27 | durale | so i removed this package and evrything is fine now |
| 22:22.32 | Tallu | oh wow |
| 22:22.35 | TiCPU | mm I've got a little problem with a .deb file (zimbra), it seems to be executing a script which fails to complete when using dpkg -i to install it, I would like to know if there is a way to see/change the content of such a script? |
| 22:22.36 | Tallu | compiling a kernel takes forever |
| 22:22.36 | dev52 | garbage can outside your garage? |
| 22:23.45 | mmiikkee12 | Tallu: takes about 3-4 minutes on my box, not counting menuconfig (i spend a long time configuring |
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| 22:23.58 | dev52 | for the printers you want to get rid of |
| 22:24.08 | Tallu | mmiikkee12: been running for 1,5 hours now hehe |
| 22:24.12 | cydork | mmiikkee12, 3-4 minutes?? |
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| 22:24.23 | mmiikkee12 | Tallu: may want to add some ram or get a faster cpu :) |
| 22:24.27 | dev52 | TiCPU: /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 22:24.37 | mmiikkee12 | cydork: 1.8ghz sempron with 512mb ram |
| 22:24.40 | Tallu | mmiikkee12: or just remove more of them modules... :( |
| 22:24.44 | mmiikkee12 | and not running x at the time |
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| 22:25.03 | Tallu | I dont even have x on the box.. it has 2gbit ram and a 1700+ cpu |
| 22:25.08 | mmiikkee12 | Tallu: i don't compile anything as a module, i only select what i need, and compile it in. makes it way faster :) |
| 22:25.09 | cydork | mmiikkee12, still 3-4 minutes ??? :O |
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| 22:25.59 | Tallu | mmiikkee12: yeah I should do that too.. I'm just getting used to compiling it and so on. Next one I'll compile will be much better thought through, though.. Once I've upgraded all the components in my computer and I know what support I'll need. For now its too difficult to tell what I can live without |
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| 22:26.08 | dev52 | debian kernels on the other hand compile everything possible into modules |
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| 22:26.36 | mmiikkee12 | dev52: i know. plus they use an initrd, which i never managed to get working on any self-compiled kernel :P |
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| 22:29.35 | mmiikkee12 | how do i delete a printer? |
| 22:30.21 | cydork | mmiikkee12, cups?? |
| 22:30.43 | mmiikkee12 | cydork: whatever the desktop -> administration -> printers thing is |
| 22:30.48 | mmiikkee12 | (in gnome menus) |
| 22:31.10 | TiCPU | thank you, dev52 |
| 22:31.17 | cydork | mmiikkee12, never used it :P |
| 22:31.20 | liable | karsten: get it sorted? |
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| 22:32.10 | TiCPU | ah HA! hostname -i and hostname -s which fails but not hostname alone |
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| 22:32.57 | swamptoo | Q: i just installed synaptic but when i click on the shortcut nothing happens...any ideas? |
| 22:33.06 | mmiikkee12 | hmm, seems like i'm runnign as a normal user. that might be it :P |
| 22:33.17 | swamptoo | i still have kpackage installed, do i need ot uninstall that to use a diff package manager? |
| 22:33.26 | dev52 | mmiikkee12: make-kpkg is useful when building kernels... not only do you get a .deb of your kernel that you can then organize into whatever dir you want, but it automatically figures out initrdness and builds (already debianized tho) external modules |
| 22:33.57 | mmiikkee12 | dev52: i always found initrds useless after i started building my drivers into the kernel |
| 22:34.13 | TiCPU | building driver into the kernel is bad for your health though |
| 22:34.16 | mmiikkee12 | supposedly faster, then again, maybe not :P |
| 22:34.17 | dev52 | I can see that with one machine |
| 22:34.21 | mmiikkee12 | TiCPU: how's that? |
| 22:34.29 | mmiikkee12 | dev52: i only have one, so i'm fine :) |
| 22:34.30 | TiCPU | you can't unload and reload them hehe |
| 22:34.34 | dev52 | but if you have more lying around... |
| 22:34.44 | mmiikkee12 | TiCPU: why would you do that? :P |
| 22:34.44 | dev52 | like an internal net or such |
| 22:34.50 | leo^ | swamptoo, i've pclinuxos installed and they are both installed and working |
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| 22:35.08 | mmiikkee12 | \o/ got rid of the printers |
| 22:35.22 | TiCPU | update one, or reload some drivers which seems to misbehave, or rescan some bus because some drivers don't have any user space utility |
| 22:35.22 | dev52 | so how did you do it? |
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| 22:35.39 | TiCPU | or just because I want to load them later, when I plug some stuff |
| 22:35.40 | mmiikkee12 | dev52: edit -> become adminstrator |
| 22:35.41 | dev52 | (remember that you didn't say much about the thing they were defined in) |
| 22:35.54 | mmiikkee12 | then right click on them and remove |
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| 22:36.03 | freegan-bh | Having trouble creating a loopback dev to read a disk at boottime with losetup. error is ioctl: loop_set_status: invalid argument. Can someone help? |
| 22:36.04 | dev52 | in what app? |
| 22:36.09 | mmiikkee12 | (apparently doesn't work as a normal user) |
| 22:36.25 | mmiikkee12 | dev52: Desktop menu -> Administration -> Printing |
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| 22:37.11 | mathrick | hi, what was that cute debian command to take a new upstream, old package source, and make it into a new package source? |
| 22:37.17 | dev52 | printers are considered shared resources... that's why it takes an admin user to alter things about them |
| 22:37.22 | mathrick | it was somethingupdate I think |
| 22:37.26 | mathrick | but not sure |
| 22:37.51 | mmiikkee12 | mathrick: find / -name *update |
| 22:37.52 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 22:38.01 | mathrick | ... |
| 22:38.13 | mathrick | not really, I might not have it installed |
| 22:38.25 | dev52 | mathrick: start from the beginning |
| 22:38.32 | dev52 | what exactly do you want to do? |
| 22:38.45 | dev52 | right now there's about 5 possibilities |
| 22:39.06 | mmiikkee12 | mathrick: i have /usr/bin/scrollkeeper-update /usr/bin/nsupdate (among some others in /usr/share) |
| 22:39.19 | mmiikkee12 | i don't know what you're talking about tbh :P |
| 22:39.48 | mathrick | dev52: I have 1) deb package source, old version 2) new upstream with no debian/. I want to move all the debian/ stuff to the new upstream and build an updated source package |
| 22:39.55 | TiCPU | what would cause hostname -s or hostname -i to fail exactly, /etc/hosts is filled with correct info and /etc/hostname too |
| 22:40.04 | mathrick | dev52: I have done that before, I just never can remember that damn name |
| 22:40.12 | mathrick | it defies me |
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| 22:41.26 | mathrick | dev52: does this narrow things down enough? |
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| 22:42.17 | Pieter | hey guys. is there a way to disable the incremental updates 'apt-get update' does in testing? |
| 22:42.50 | dev52 | oh, you could try dh_make |
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| 22:43.13 | liable | mathrick: reag the new maintainer guide, it covers it, i dont think theres a single command to do what you want |
| 22:43.17 | liable | read. |
| 22:43.33 | leo^ | can i upgrade the kernel with Synaptic? |
| 22:43.42 | mathrick | liable: but I have done that before :) |
| 22:43.48 | mathrick | also, where can I find the guide? |
| 22:43.53 | liable | leo^: yes |
| 22:44.01 | dev52 | or just take the old packaging and put it in with the new upstream and adjust files in the debian dir |
| 22:44.17 | liable | mathrick: debian.org in te developers section (down the bottom of the page is a link) |
| 22:44.23 | dev52 | debian.org/deve/? |
| 22:44.26 | dev52 | err |
| 22:44.29 | mathrick | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:44.30 | dev52 | debian.org/devel? |
| 22:44.32 | mathrick | here |
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| 22:46.44 | SpComb | hmm, is there anything stopping me from building a md RAID out of LVM LVs and then using that RAID as a pv for another lvm volume group? |
| 22:46.54 | buu | Probably not |
| 22:46.59 | SpComb | then I wouldn't have to worry about how I should partition my drive |
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| 22:47.18 | SpComb | I'd create a volume group for each disk, and then for each raid array |
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| 22:48.00 | dev52 | probably there's nothing stopping you... but performance could be an issue |
| 22:48.01 | SpComb | somehow it sounds like a rather weird thing to do though... |
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| 22:48.07 | SpComb | how much overhead does LVM add? |
| 22:48.15 | rshakin | how would i make grub boot in 1024x768 |
| 22:48.36 | SpComb | although, RAID would probably be unable to do low-level optimizations such as using the disk with the head closest... |
| 22:48.48 | dev52 | does grub do video? |
| 22:49.09 | abrotman | do video? |
| 22:49.11 | rshakin | you know the framebufffer |
| 22:49.12 | mathrick | dev52: it does simple fb graphics |
| 22:49.23 | cydork | rshakin, /msg dpkg fbcon |
| 22:49.38 | abrotman | oh wait .. i know dev52!! |
| 22:49.49 | SpComb | dev52: how much overhead does LVM cause? Isn't it just mapping sectors to other sectors? |
| 22:50.17 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 |
| 22:50.19 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:50.19 | dpkg | Package 'libc6' does not exist. |
| 22:50.27 | dev52 | how in the world can you know a service behind my firewall?? |
| 22:50.30 | abrotman | dpkg: boo! |
| 22:50.32 | dondelelcaro | heh |
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| 22:50.52 | abrotman | dondelelcaro: dunno .. that seems bad to me :) |
| 22:50.58 | dondelelcaro | oh, it's because debian.usc.edu is down... |
| 22:50.59 | dev52 | :) |
| 22:51.02 | dondelelcaro | just a second |
| 22:51.20 | abrotman | ah ok |
| 22:51.26 | mathrick | hmm, there's no way to build only some .debs from a source package, right? |
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| 22:51.57 | cydork | dondelelcaro, what it is? a perl script to check to packages.gz ?? |
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| 22:52.44 | Cooner750 | I once remember visiting a website online that was a community of people that host their websites from their home on their own servers. Does anyone know what site I'm talking about? I can't remember |
| 22:52.56 | cydork | mathrick, there is /msg dpkg source |
| 22:53.00 | dondelelcaro | !+info libc6 |
| 22:53.02 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 22:53.04 | dpkg | Package 'libc6' does not exist. |
| 22:53.09 | abrotman | dpkg: you lazy bum |
| 22:53.43 | mathrick | cydork: nah, you didn't get it |
| 22:54.12 | abrotman | dpkg: work damn you |
| 22:54.15 | mathrick | I mean, if a source package foo defines foo-bar and foo-baz packages, there's no way to build _only_ foo-bar, right? |
| 22:54.36 | dev52 | probably not |
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| 22:54.55 | mmiikkee12 | abrotman: you already killed it :P |
| 22:55.10 | abrotman | did not |
| 22:55.17 | mmiikkee12 | * dpkg dies from a heart attack thanks to abrotman |
| 22:55.41 | dev52 | dpkg: bop! |
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| 22:56.04 | mmiikkee12 | !+info glibc |
| 22:56.05 | dpkg | Package 'glibc' does not exist. |
| 22:56.12 | cydork | mathrick, check the rules i guess, but i still dont get what you are trying to do :P |
| 22:56.25 | abrotman | i could have told you that didn't exist :) |
| 22:56.26 | dev52 | you can also try packages.debian.org |
| 22:56.45 | mmiikkee12 | why are we looking for libc anyway? |
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| 22:57.02 | mathrick | cydork: simple, I have a sourcepkg which builds lotsa packages, including some silly qt crap I'm completely not interested in |
| 22:57.19 | mathrick | not to mention I don't want to install qt-dev just for that |
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| 22:57.55 | abrotman | mathrick: what are you building ? |
| 22:58.04 | mathrick | abrotman: uim 1.2.1 |
| 22:58.05 | mmiikkee12 | mathrick: i don't know what you're compiling, so this might not work, but try make (appname) |
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| 22:58.17 | abrotman | uh .. ok |
| 22:58.35 | dev52 | what's uim? |
| 22:58.41 | stew | yay! beer o'clock on friday |
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| 22:58.57 | mathrick | dev52: an input method library |
| 22:59.07 | mathrick | http://uim.freedesktop.org/ |
| 22:59.14 | dev52 | what do you want to build out of it? |
| 22:59.16 | abrotman | !beer azeem |
| 22:59.25 | azeem | pfft |
| 22:59.26 | dev52 | wait, it's a library? build all of it |
| 22:59.28 | abrotman | !beer azeem |
| 22:59.30 | abrotman | better? |
| 22:59.31 | rnd_null | i've forgotten where the file that holds device settings is...can someone refresh me? |
| 22:59.34 | azeem | slightly |
| 22:59.36 | abrotman | hehe |
| 22:59.45 | mmiikkee12 | dev52: he doesn't want the qt stuff |
| 22:59.49 | mmiikkee12 | i can understand :D |
| 22:59.58 | mathrick | dev52: base and gtk2 parts, and skip qt |
| 23:00.03 | azeem | I think I had an Franziskaner earlier, actually |
| 23:00.12 | mmiikkee12 | mathrick: look in config options (./configure --help) |
| 23:00.12 | mathrick | and engines I won't be using like m17n-lib |
| 23:00.16 | azeem | they charged more for the light than the dark Hefeweizen, wtf |
| 23:00.24 | mmiikkee12 | look for a --without-qt or something |
| 23:00.26 | mathrick | mmiikkee12: but this is gonna be run by debuild |
| 23:00.35 | abrotman | azeem: supply/demand? |
| 23:00.44 | mmiikkee12 | mathrick: make your own .deb then :p |
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| 23:00.53 | dev52 | so you have to alter the makefile or (better) debian/rules |
| 23:00.55 | mathrick | mmiikkee12: that's what I'm trying to do? |
| 23:01.01 | mathrick | dev52: yeah, seems so |
| 23:01.06 | mmiikkee12 | mathrick: iirc there's a control.tar.gz inside a .deb, maybe something in there |
| 23:01.23 | mmiikkee12 | it should be a configure option |
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| 23:01.33 | azeem | abrotman: well, dunno |
| 23:01.33 | dev52 | well, that's not the source part |
| 23:01.37 | azeem | I never saw that before |
| 23:01.52 | abrotman | azeem: the the dark stuff is just bad? |
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| 23:02.50 | mmiikkee12 | is aclocal part of autoconf? |
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| 23:02.58 | azeem | abrotman: it's better! |
| 23:03.04 | abrotman | azeem: says you! |
| 23:03.05 | dev52 | I think so |
| 23:03.05 | azeem | mmiikkee12: no, automake |
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| 23:03.20 | azeem | ... for some reason |
| 23:03.28 | mmiikkee12 | dunno |
| 23:03.40 | mmiikkee12 | apparently supertux svn's autogen.sh needs it |
| 23:04.18 | azeem | mmiikkee12: autogen usually needs automake anyway |
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| 23:05.47 | myren | how do i grep a maildir effectively? |
| 23:05.50 | myren | i use mutt |
| 23:05.57 | myren | for my email clienbt |
| 23:06.35 | abrotman | grep for what? |
| 23:07.22 | mmiikkee12 | wow. it actually *is* half a million. |
| 23:07.32 | mmiikkee12 | ok, maybe not :P |
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| 23:09.50 | myren | abrotman: ideally the non-base64 data of the text |
| 23:10.00 | myren | for a literal |
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| 23:10.31 | abrotman | cd <maildir> && grep -r <searchterm> * |
| 23:10.54 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
| 23:10.59 | mmiikkee12 | supertux is finally building |
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| 23:12.13 | Daemoz | from a debian users way of looking at it, which distro is "more noob", ubuntu or fedora xD |
| 23:12.28 | abrotman | Offtopic ? |
| 23:12.33 | mmiikkee12 | Daemoz: i find ubuntu way more n00by ;) |
| 23:12.38 | Daemoz | My brother will use either, and I want to put him on one |
| 23:12.43 | mmiikkee12 | i've used both |
| 23:13.02 | Daemoz | ok, ill put him on fedora |
| 23:13.05 | mmiikkee12 | ubuntu is a slow piece of... well, i won't say that in case there are any ubuntu users in here, but you get the point :) |
| 23:13.11 | Daemoz | I want him to run into a few ussues |
| 23:13.15 | Daemoz | issues* |
| 23:13.17 | mmiikkee12 | Daemoen: lfs. |
| 23:13.19 | mmiikkee12 | :) |
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| 23:13.21 | Daemoz | lol |
| 23:13.23 | Daemoz | hell no :P |
| 23:13.24 | myren | this is useless to me |
| 23:13.24 | myren | rektide@deneb:~/.maildir/.303$ grep -nir ftp * |
| 23:13.25 | myren | cur/1155926683.M811057P28197Q33Rd122b602519f433b.deneb:2,S:64:Once again, here is the FTP for the current live site: |
| 23:13.38 | Daemoz | I have fedora core 4 on my server, seems ok |
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| 23:13.43 | abrotman | myren: it did what you asked |
| 23:13.53 | myren | its not what i want |
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| 23:14.02 | mmiikkee12 | myren: you want some text after that too? -A 5 |
| 23:14.03 | abrotman | then you need to rephrase your question |
| 23:14.04 | cafuego | Niet dan, jongens? |
| 23:14.22 | streuner | Java Jongens ! :-) |
| 23:14.43 | cafuego | streuner: You cna go and take _those_ _elsewhere_. |
| 23:15.00 | mmiikkee12 | ? |
| 23:15.05 | streuner | cafuego: speak english, my dutch sucks :-) |
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| 23:15.25 | cafuego | streuner: Oh, dutch girlfriend? |
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| 23:15.39 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 23:15.47 | mmiikkee12 | hmm |
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| 23:15.55 | mmiikkee12 | supertux worked the first time \o/ |
| 23:15.57 | Daemoz | What do people find runs faster on debian, gnome or xfce? |
| 23:16.09 | mmiikkee12 | (congrats to debian for making that work ;) |
| 23:16.27 | mmiikkee12 | Daemoz: xfce is faster, gnome had more features |
| 23:16.29 | mmiikkee12 | *has |
| 23:16.57 | cafuego | daemo: xfce, unless your hardware is broken. |
| 23:16.57 | Daemoz | icic |
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| 23:19.27 | troubled | cafuego!!!! |
| 23:19.54 | troubled | lol sup |
| 23:20.02 | Daemoz | troubled* |
| 23:20.03 | Daemoz | rawr |
| 23:20.14 | troubled | toubled!! grrrr* |
| 23:20.14 | cafuego | troubled: Not a lot, as per usual. |
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| 23:20.47 | troubled | cafuego: same. wow, imagine that, a year later and were caught up in one sentence |
| 23:21.02 | troubled | ;) |
| 23:21.05 | rvalles | Let's say I do # curl http://www.kernel.org/pub/dist/knoppix/KNOPPIX_V5.0.1CD-2006-06-01-EN.iso >/dev/sda ; where sda is one of those big usb2 mass storage devices. would that be bootable by bioses which can boot from usb, afterwards? |
| 23:21.08 | cafuego | troubled: it's really quite sad, isn't it? |
| 23:21.16 | cafuego | /nick marvin |
| 23:21.21 | troubled | cafuego: yup. were in troubled times |
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| 23:22.28 | troubled | simonrvn: we all know alarm bells go off when someone of the net says your name |
| 23:22.38 | streuner | o_O trouble(d) |
| 23:23.01 | troubled | streuner: oi! |
| 23:23.01 | Daemoz | simonrvn |
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| 23:23.50 | troubled | Daemoz: : 2 diff people saying his name probably starts blinking lights in his house on and off |
| 23:24.03 | Daemoz | =o |
| 23:24.16 | Daemoz | simonrvn simonrvn simonrvn |
| 23:24.29 | troubled | everyone now... |
| 23:24.46 | mmiikkee12 | simonrvn: simonrvn simonrvn |
| 23:24.46 | troubled | dont stop til we split the server! |
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| 23:24.58 | Daemoz | simonrvn: simonrvnsimonrvn : simonrvn |
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| 23:25.14 | abrotman | stop hassling people |
| 23:25.19 | streuner | 1 troll and 1 troublemaker :-) |
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| 23:25.26 | troubled | abrotman: bah! your no fun! |
| 23:25.28 | Daemoz | Why are you always such a killjoy abrotman -.- |
| 23:25.37 | abrotman | troubled: YOU'RE |
| 23:25.43 | Daemoz | .. |
| 23:25.44 | azeem | troubled: this is not your personal performance chan |
| 23:25.44 | troubled | bah |
| 23:25.45 | Daemoz | lol |
| 23:25.48 | azeem | this is Debian end-user support |
| 23:25.51 | azeem | please respect that |
| 23:25.52 | streuner | sad, that you hanging here and wasting our time :-) |
| 23:26.03 | Daemoz | No one that uses debian needs support |
| 23:26.08 | Daemoz | we're all 1337 |
| 23:26.12 | troubled | azeem: sorry, just getting warmed up for more tech support :) evenin again |
| 23:26.20 | cafuego | Not when we're done with them anyway. Maybe emotional support... |
| 23:26.29 | Daemoz | =o |
| 23:26.52 | troubled | so, anyone ever find out how Dan01 did with his kernel compile? |
| 23:27.00 | troubled | Dan01: you there? |
| 23:27.12 | abrotman | oh don't start that again |
| 23:27.19 | dev52 | bookem dan0 |
| 23:27.22 | troubled | streuner: i caught that! |
| 23:28.34 | Daemoz | Anyone get the DynDNS updater working in linux? |
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| 23:29.06 | troubled | Daemoz: doesnt dyndns also have a url method to update as well? |
| 23:29.18 | Daemoz | Yes, but i'm lazy |
| 23:29.25 | abrotman | !info ddclient sarge |
| 23:29.31 | troubled | Daemoz: url get doesnt get much easier.... |
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| 23:29.35 | abrotman | !info ddclient etch |
| 23:29.43 | dpkg | ddclient: (Update dynamic IP address at DynDNS.org), section net, is extra. Version: 3.6.7-2 (etch), Packaged size: 46 kB, Installed size: 272 kB |
| 23:30.04 | abrotman | also ez-ipupdate |
| 23:30.43 | Daemoz | oh cool |
| 23:30.55 | Daemoz | I did an apt-cache search for dyn |
| 23:31.01 | Daemoz | They really should name these better |
| 23:31.02 | abrotman | try dyndns |
| 23:31.14 | troubled | Daemoz: dyndns actually reliable these days for production www use? |
| 23:31.44 | cydork | troubled, yep it is |
| 23:32.02 | abrotman | production www servers don't have dynamic IPs |
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| 23:32.46 | abrotman | he lives! |
| 23:32.54 | Daemoz | xri.ath.cx |
| 23:32.55 | troubled | abrotman: true. im static now, but I may downgrade to a dynamic again shortly after the move. might be a cheaper option. only interested in MX working really |
| 23:32.57 | Daemoz | I liek that short irl |
| 23:33.03 | stoned | I'm still alive |
| 23:33.13 | stoned | and I never thought I'd say this man |
| 23:33.13 | abrotman | troubled: you might find a large chunk of your mail getting denied |
| 23:33.15 | stoned | but TGIF! |
| 23:33.16 | troubled | stoned: hey |
| 23:33.21 | Daemoz | With a router my IP changes like once a month |
| 23:33.38 | Triddle | I'm running postgresql 8.1 and php5 but the php5-pgsql package is looking for the postgres unix domain socket in the wrong place - any ideas on how to make the php5 postgres sql client look in the right spot? |
| 23:33.53 | stoned | troubled, hi |
| 23:34.02 | abrotman | Triddle: can you configure it in the php.ini ? |
| 23:34.03 | troubled | abrotman: relistically, it should still get delivered though even with a odd random delay though i would think when my ip does change |
| 23:34.11 | abrotman | i'd block your mail |
| 23:34.28 | troubled | abrotman: lol, like i would allow your IP to mail me anyways ;) |
| 23:34.42 | stoned | don't |
| 23:34.43 | troubled | abrotman: whats your IP again? *grn* |
| 23:34.45 | Triddle | abrotman: I didn't see an item for that in there |
| 23:34.50 | stoned | abrotman is the evil haxor |
| 23:35.15 | abrotman | Daemoen: DON'T DO THAT |
| 23:35.17 | troubled | stoned: i dont dare think about how many ppl on this chan could hax0rz me |
| 23:35.20 | Daemoz | IM SORRY |
| 23:35.23 | abrotman | asshole |
| 23:35.25 | Daemoz | I wanted to see if I was lagging |
| 23:35.28 | Daemoz | jerk |
| 23:35.35 | abrotman | get a better irc client idiot |
| 23:35.46 | stoned | brotman you being a penis again? |
| 23:35.46 | Daemoz | I amde a scipt for mirc, deal with it. |
| 23:35.47 | stoned | :) |
| 23:35.48 | troubled | Daemoz: ctcp? |
| 23:35.52 | abrotman | get a better irc client idiot |
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| 23:35.59 | troubled | feel the love |
| 23:35.59 | stoned | abrotman, one more time! |
| 23:36.03 | Daemoz | Abrotman, suck a fat one. |
| 23:36.29 | abrotman | why does god let stupid people continue living ... |
| 23:36.44 | troubled | guess we all kinda find some way to amuse ourselves while we wait for an actual question |
| 23:36.50 | stoned | abrotman, to annoy people like us |
| 23:36.54 | Daemoz | Why does god let arrogant retards that spend their lives in #debian continure living.. |
| 23:37.00 | Daemoz | continue |
| 23:37.02 | Daemoz | rawr |
| 23:37.03 | abrotman | Triddle: you can either try to find a way to fix it from php or from pgsql |
| 23:37.07 | elementz | anybody here who can tell me where PLESK stores it's license key? |
| 23:37.10 | abrotman | Daemoen: you're here aren't you ? |
| 23:37.22 | stoned | abrotman isn't arrogant, not in the least bit, he is just a bit blunt and brazen if you will, he means well |
| 23:37.26 | troubled | heya elementz! |
| 23:37.27 | stoned | most of the times at least |
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| 23:37.36 | Daemoz | I don't know who Daemoen is, but i'm here, and you are an arrogant prick |
| 23:37.36 | elementz | hi troubled |
| 23:37.42 | troubled | elementz: ltns :) |
| 23:37.47 | abrotman | Daemoen: you're a total moron |
| 23:37.51 | abrotman | god |
| 23:37.51 | stoned | lol |
| 23:37.55 | abrotman | that failed horribly |
| 23:37.57 | Daemoz | It's DAEMOZ you dipshit |
| 23:38.08 | Daemoz | jsut |
| 23:38.13 | elementz | troubled: you got an idea? |
| 23:38.14 | stoned | about time yeah? |
| 23:38.16 | troubled | Daemoz: ya, Daemoen really messing up your nick complete! |
| 23:38.24 | Daemoz | messing up my nick complete |
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| 23:38.29 | stoned | !dpkgbot |
| 23:38.29 | Daemoz | God damn you people |
| 23:38.29 | dpkg | well, dpkgbot is Please visit http://wiki.debian.org/IRC/DpkgBot to learn how to effectively search the factoids database for FAQ, and not flood in the channel with !tell <who> about <what>. Also see <msg the bot>. We ask that you learn to search for yourself first, unless it is a specific problem. Many questions are asked repeatedly, and the factoid database can be of great help to you. |
| 23:38.30 | Daemoz | xD |
| 23:38.30 | stew | Daemoz: please stop with the name-calling |
| 23:38.40 | abrotman | Triddle: i know you get tell pgsql hwere to put the socket |
| 23:38.46 | streuner | we should get rid of them :-/ |
| 23:38.50 | troubled | elementz: never heard of plesk, sorry. is it packaged? try lsof while its running? or strace it? |
| 23:38.51 | Daemoz | stew: abrotman started being a prick to me for no reason, was he beat up as a kid or something? |
| 23:38.59 | azeem | Daemoz: so /ignore |
| 23:39.01 | stew | Daemoz: drop it. use ignore if you must |
| 23:39.13 | Daemoz | I suppose |
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| 23:39.26 | elementz | PLESK is an enivornment for shared servers running eg suse |
| 23:39.30 | stoned | hey cool, X isn't broken in sid anymore, its been about 2 weeks since I updated, goddamn work |
| 23:39.30 | elementz | or debian |
| 23:39.31 | Daemoz | Im just saying, I came here for help, I don't see why he has to be soo rude to me |
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| 23:39.46 | troubled | cafuego: so, you ever manage to get to be a chan op? you been on here for few years now |
| 23:39.58 | azeem | Daemoz: so just ask your questions in a civilized manner |
| 23:40.00 | Triddle | abrotman: you can configure the directory that the socket lives in but thats not the problem |
| 23:40.00 | troubled | elementz: commercial? |
| 23:40.05 | redphoenix1 | ok i just installed debian sid |
| 23:40.13 | redphoenix1 | but there is no mp3 support in amarok? |
| 23:40.13 | elementz | yep |
| 23:40.16 | abrotman | Triddle: so elaborate |
| 23:40.20 | stoned | redphoenix1, yes there is |
| 23:40.20 | Daemoz | azeem: I did, then I pinged him to see if I was lagging, and he flipped out on me |
| 23:40.26 | Triddle | abrotman: the problem is that php is trying to open the socket under a filename that ends in 32 while the socket that postgres is creating is in a file that ends in 33 |
| 23:40.28 | cafuego | troubled: I think some people were insisting I should apply to be one, but I'm noit interested in policing kids. |
| 23:40.29 | elementz | troubled: it's kinda standard i think |
| 23:40.32 | troubled | elementz: and your looking for the key location because? |
| 23:40.37 | redphoenix1 | amarok is giving an error saying that mp3s cant be player |
| 23:40.44 | redphoenix1 | played* |
| 23:40.44 | stoned | redphoenix1, there is also #amarok |
| 23:41.02 | Triddle | abrotman: psql finds and talks to postgres just fine, its only php that is looking for the socket in the wrong spot |
| 23:41.09 | troubled | cafuego: just think its funny how every time I drop by the op's are always complete strangers heh |
| 23:41.11 | stoned | redphoenix1, more than likely it is a engine issue. Are you unable to play any audio media at all? |
| 23:41.17 | abrotman | Triddle: this is in etch/sid ? |
| 23:41.17 | stoned | s/a/an |
| 23:41.22 | elementz | troubled: http://www.swsoft.com/en/products/plesk8/demo/ |
| 23:41.26 | Triddle | abrotman: I'm running unstable |
| 23:41.29 | troubled | elementz: sec |
| 23:41.29 | cafuego | troubled: And they get shitty when you tell them they're newbies ;-) |
| 23:41.35 | redphoenix1 | all i have is mp3s and some flacs |
| 23:41.37 | elementz | np |
| 23:41.43 | redphoenix1 | and i know amarok cant play flacs |
| 23:41.43 | troubled | cafuego: :) |
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| 23:41.53 | redphoenix1 | at least from what i last used debian |
| 23:42.01 | stoned | redphoenix1, can you play any media at all in amarok? what is the exact error message that pops up in a yellow box? |
| 23:42.23 | abrotman | Triddle: that's pretty bizarre |
| 23:42.25 | redphoenix1 | it could not be added to the playlist |
| 23:43.04 | Triddle | abrotman: the socket that ends in 32 appears to be for postgres version 7.4 - the socket that ends in 33 seems to be for version 8.1 |
| 23:43.13 | stoned | redphoenix1, hmm, I suggest you ask in #amarok. If it can't be added to the playlist, then either your collection is faulty, or the media doesn't exist where it is supposed to be. |
| 23:43.30 | redphoenix1 | ok i will ask thank you :) |
| 23:43.32 | Triddle | abrotman: but everything is up to date, so I don't think its an out-of-date postgres client library |
| 23:43.38 | troubled | elementz: cool. so its kinda like cpanel? |
| 23:43.42 | stoned | redphoenix1, click on the files tab at the bottom left hand side, and add the file manually to the playlist and try to play it |
| 23:43.47 | stoned | redphoenix1, you're welcome |
| 23:43.49 | elementz | troubled: dunno ;-) |
| 23:44.03 | djdunham | yo yo yo |
| 23:44.12 | djdunham | How do I install debian -- When I double click, nothing happens. |
| 23:44.17 | troubled | elementz: cpanel for my domain lets me control email aliases, dns, domains etc |
| 23:44.30 | elementz | yep - same thing i guess |
| 23:44.43 | redphoenix1 | ok yea i can play it when i add it manualy :s |
| 23:44.43 | djdunham | cpanels whack. |
| 23:44.49 | stoned | !tell djdunham -about install guide |
| 23:44.59 | djdunham | stoned: im stoned, and was just kidding |
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| 23:45.01 | elementz | troubled: planning to get rid of suse on my vps and install debian |
| 23:45.16 | elementz | troubled: btw is sarge the newest stable build? |
| 23:45.18 | stoned | djdunham, our personal volunteer support time is a joke to you? Shame on you |
| 23:45.25 | djdunham | thakns for the help though, linux community support has come along way |
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| 23:45.32 | djdunham | sotned: no, thats why I said thanks :) |
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| 23:45.37 | djdunham | sorry yall its friday, im bored! |
| 23:45.41 | troubled | elementz: yes, but etch should be out this year |
| 23:45.50 | djdunham | maybe I should instal debian or something |
| 23:45.55 | elementz | troubled: kk thx |
| 23:46.07 | elementz | troubled: found the license key btw ;-) |
| 23:46.08 | troubled | elementz: damn, that plesk looks cool. even got an xp look which is kinda neat |
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| 23:46.20 | djdunham | troubled: plesk handles sub domaisn horribly. |
| 23:46.21 | elementz | troubled: yep |
| 23:46.28 | djdunham | I like directadmin |
| 23:46.31 | djdunham | It's fast, and clean. |
| 23:46.42 | djdunham | plesk is a bloated POS |
| 23:46.43 | stoned | does anyone here admin Dell server products? |
| 23:46.44 | troubled | elementz: surely the license or software would phone home to verify your key though.... |
| 23:46.53 | djdunham | stoned: 1850-2950 here. |
| 23:46.56 | troubled | djdunham: curious, plesk similar to cpanel? |
| 23:47.02 | abrotman | Triddle: pgsql8.1 ? |
| 23:47.04 | elementz | troubled: i have a key |
| 23:47.05 | djdunham | troubled: kinda sorta |
| 23:47.13 | djdunham | but cpanel handles reseller/subdomains much much better |
| 23:47.18 | stoned | djdunham, how do you like the them? what do you like about them, or what don't you? |
| 23:47.19 | elementz | troubled: just didn't know where it was stored |
| 23:47.23 | djdunham | like in cpanel you can have areseller, create a reseller |
| 23:47.25 | troubled | djdunham: checkin out the plesk demo atm, kinda neat |
| 23:47.26 | stoned | -the |
| 23:47.33 | djdunham | stoned: uhm... where do i start. |
| 23:47.46 | djdunham | supports great if you have the $$ to buy it -- we always purchase gold on our servers. |
| 23:47.52 | djdunham | the admin software is cool too |
| 23:47.56 | troubled | elementz: what license they have? cheap one time fee? or you gotta pay every year no matter what? |
| 23:47.58 | Triddle | abortman: checking |
| 23:48.02 | djdunham | you can monitor/update bios reviisons/blah blah balh |
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| 23:48.09 | djdunham | from a single windows snap-in looking module |
| 23:48.25 | djdunham | the dell server management software is the shit |
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| 23:48.39 | djdunham | I'd give dell server an A, but hte only thing is they fuck up a lot when I order shit |
| 23:48.40 | stoned | djdunham, I thought as much, I've heard great reviews of it, admins love it |
| 23:48.43 | djdunham | i.e. server w/ no rails |
| 23:48.50 | djdunham | stoned: I admin aboutg 130 dell boxes |
| 23:48.51 | elementz | troubled: updates with the hosting plan |
| 23:48.52 | djdunham | its great. |
| 23:48.59 | djdunham | for asset managemnet purposes |
| 23:49.03 | djdunham | and it integrates into a buncha of other programs |
| 23:49.10 | Triddle | abrotman: I'm using php5-pgsql and postgresql-8.1 |
| 23:49.14 | djdunham | dell has great linux support too |
| 23:49.19 | hobophobe | Should one definitely use the default 64k block size for RAID0? |
| 23:49.21 | stoned | djdunham, only enterprise level |
| 23:49.30 | stoned | djdunham, suse, RH ent. |
| 23:49.32 | stoned | etc. |
| 23:49.37 | djdunham | no, not just hat |
| 23:49.44 | djdunham | several of their apps have been ported in the dell community |
| 23:49.47 | djdunham | to primarily debian |
| 23:49.57 | stoned | well, dell doesn't officially support anything but those two |
| 23:49.57 | troubled | elementz: but could I buy it once and just use it forever if I wanted is what I mean? im serious interested, its nice looking |
| 23:50.00 | djdunham | and when i said great support, i meant with like their diag tools |
| 23:50.06 | djdunham | stoned: right, but sitll |
| 23:50.08 | djdunham | its great. |
| 23:50.12 | djdunham | better than some cpq shit |
| 23:50.17 | stoned | djdunham, yup |
| 23:50.29 | djdunham | We have a buncha drives die |
| 23:50.33 | stoned | djdunham, so what is you overall opinion of dell? |
| 23:50.40 | djdunham | the dell guy is here weekly replacing poarts |
| 23:50.40 | stoned | considering all factors |
| 23:50.41 | elementz | troubled: really don't know, sry - but check out their site ;-) |
| 23:50.44 | djdunham | BUT we have a ton of boxes |
| 23:50.47 | djdunham | so thats understandable |
| 23:50.50 | djdunham | uhm |
| 23:50.56 | djdunham | A, honestly. |
| 23:51.13 | troubled | elementz: ya i am, doing demo, tinkering.... |
| 23:51.17 | g333k_work | Hi, is there a way to power down on LAN a PC? |
| 23:51.22 | stoned | djdunham, nice |
| 23:51.28 | stoned | djdunham, I work for Dell |
| 23:51.29 | stoned | :) |
| 23:52.04 | stoned | a lot of people/admins I've spoken with love their server products, but there are some who claim they make shit hardware |
| 23:52.12 | stoned | I don't see it, I think its good |
| 23:52.12 | elementz | troubled: hey - how do i search the whole hd on terminal again? "find" doen't work for some reason |
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| 23:52.45 | troubled | elementz: locate? and why doesnt find work? |
| 23:53.04 | elementz | troubled: dunno let me check locate |
| 23:53.24 | streuner | hm |
| 23:53.38 | elementz | troubled: and how do i update locatedb again? |
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| 23:53.42 | swamptoo | where it the gkrellm themes folder? |
| 23:53.46 | elementz | u got an idea? |
| 23:53.47 | stoned | streuner, ! whats up man, been a while eh |
| 23:54.06 | stoned | argh, he quit |
| 23:54.28 | troubled | elementz: updatedb? |
| 23:54.43 | elementz | yep that worked |
| 23:54.52 | stoned | learn to use find |
| 23:54.52 | stoned | :) |
| 23:55.17 | elementz | stoned: what am i doing wrong? find *PLSK* |
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| 23:55.31 | elementz | stoned: -> no output |
| 23:55.34 | stoned | what aren't you doing wrong |
| 23:55.36 | stoned | eveyrthing is wrong |
| 23:55.49 | stoned | man find |
| 23:55.51 | elementz | stoned: explain pls ;-) n00b here |
| 23:55.57 | stoned | read the info/man pages |
| 23:56.03 | stoned | when you don't understand something, come back and ask |
| 23:56.06 | elementz | i hate man pages |
| 23:56.09 | elementz | ;-) |
| 23:56.14 | stoned | then I'm not going to spoonfeed you |
| 23:56.18 | stoned | sorry |
| 23:56.28 | elementz | ;-) |
| 23:56.32 | Triddle | elementz: try find / | grep PLSK |
| 23:56.53 | troubled | find / -name PLSK -ls |
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| 23:57.02 | elementz | stoned: "No manual entry for find" |
| 23:57.07 | elementz | thanks guys |
| 23:57.17 | stoned | lol |
| 23:57.56 | elementz | got it thanks guys ! |
| 23:58.50 | elementz | are *.sh files hidden natively? |
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| 23:59.10 | stoned | if it doesn't start with a . it isn't hidden |
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