| 00:00.00 | waiting | sadneophye: cat *.mp3 > /dev/null |
| 00:00.01 | Eulex | newbcoder, insulting people doesn't get you anywhere. badgers did tell you about apt-file. |
| 00:00.04 | abrotman | newbcoder: and had you actually read the entire search factoid .. you'd have seen what beardy wanted you to read |
| 00:00.04 | waiting | narf |
| 00:00.23 | newbcoder | how do I get the key I need for apt-get? |
| 00:00.24 | kingsley | petemc: No, "eth1" is only listed from "ifconfig -a". I also see that it's no longer reported as "UP". Perhaps there was a delay... |
| 00:00.27 | sadneophye | is waiting a person here? or this that the channel bot? |
| 00:00.33 | waiting | newbcoder: make one up |
| 00:00.44 | abrotman | that's not nice |
| 00:00.50 | beardy | sadneophye: rc2? Do you perhaps have an old installdisc? Sarge is stable now, not a release canditade, it is released. |
| 00:00.51 | abrotman | sadneophye: person |
| 00:01.04 | waiting | abrotman: thx |
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| 00:01.26 | sadneophye | beardy, the current sarge on all the ftp sites is rc2 |
| 00:01.35 | waiting | abrotman: I get a tad miffed at all these questions that opensuse looks pro gainst |
| 00:01.35 | minerale | Hi, when I print to my printer, the page is about 1cm offset, where woud I fix this (or where would I find more about it) |
| 00:01.45 | abrotman | waiting: huh ? |
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| 00:02.05 | beardy | sadneophye: No. You probably mean etch. |
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| 00:02.21 | newbcoder | doh; wrong window; how do I get the keys I need for apt-get to authenticate pakages? |
| 00:02.29 | abrotman | paste the error somewhere |
| 00:02.30 | Eulex | sadneophye, no, r2, as in revision 2, not rc2 |
| 00:02.30 | sadneophye | beardy I mean sarge_r2 |
| 00:02.33 | waiting | newbcoder: its in the chan topic |
| 00:02.38 | sadneophye | yeah... :( |
| 00:02.42 | beardy | sadneophye: Oh. |
| 00:02.51 | Eulex | rc2 would mean release candidate 2 |
| 00:02.58 | beardy | sadneophye: Have you got sounds working at all? |
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| 00:03.12 | sadneophye | I am realizing that.... I yeah... yeah |
| 00:03.19 | newbcoder | dpkg is ignoring me; wtf |
| 00:03.34 | beardy | sadneophye: Then playing mp3:s with xmms should work fine. |
| 00:03.40 | newbcoder | dpkg: 2006 key |
| 00:03.42 | newbcoder | dpkg: testing security |
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| 00:03.46 | Eulex | newbcoder, no, dpkg is not working. |
| 00:03.50 | newbcoder | damn |
| 00:03.54 | Eulex | badgers: 2006 key |
| 00:03.54 | newbcoder | what is the info about "testing security" |
| 00:03.55 | badgers | methinks 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:04.07 | newbcoder | badgers, testing security |
| 00:04.07 | badgers | [testing security] Put "deb http://security.debian.org etch/updates main contrib non-free" in your /etc/apt/sources.list file. Regularly update your APT index and upgrade (e.g. # aptitude update && aptitude dist-upgrade) to keep up-to-date on security updates in Etch, or ask me about <testing security key> |
| 00:04.09 | Eulex | newbcoder, /msg badgers testing security |
| 00:04.09 | abrotman | cafuego: i don't have one |
| 00:04.10 | beardy | newbcoder: /msg badgers, or aptitude |
| 00:04.17 | abrotman | badgers: tell newbcoder about msg the bot |
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| 00:05.21 | sadneophye | does anyone know if I need to add extra repositories to play mp3s in sarfe r2 |
| 00:05.23 | sadneophye | sarge |
| 00:05.25 | CrocoJet | what is difference fedora distro and debian distro ? |
| 00:05.30 | newbcoder | dude; why should I trust some random bot? |
| 00:05.34 | newbcoder | is this posted anywerhe on the debian wbsite? |
| 00:05.54 | Ronin | CrocoJet: seriously? |
| 00:05.57 | beardy | o..k |
| 00:06.03 | CrocoJet | Ronin, yes |
| 00:06.06 | cafuego | newbcoder: WHy would you trust `dokg' and not the backup bot? |
| 00:06.19 | Ronin | CrocoJet: you have looked at the respective websites i presume? |
| 00:06.20 | newbcoder | where is badgers lsited as the backup bot? |
| 00:06.21 | MustangMatt | Why would clamav return an unknown status? |
| 00:06.21 | MustangMatt | Jul 30 10:52:10 server01 amavisd-new[5347]: (05347-01) Clam Antivirus-clamd FAILED - unknown status: /var/lib/amavis/amavis-20060730T105210-05347/parts: lstat() failed. ERROR\n |
| 00:06.25 | ldreamdeb | CrocoJet: I think you cannot install Fedore from minimal, otherwise Fedora insall a bloat |
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| 00:06.38 | Ronin | beardy: heh |
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| 00:06.47 | Alan | Hmmm, i'm right in saying the default runlevel is '5' yes? |
| 00:07.12 | CrocoJet | and about release .. i saw more new version available in Fedora Distro .. is Debian getting "old fashion" ? |
| 00:07.21 | newbcoder | err |
| 00:07.23 | newbcoder | I pulled in the keys |
| 00:07.35 | newbcoder | I still get the msg that make, intltool-debian po-debconf and kernel-poackage are NOT authenticated |
| 00:07.36 | bjon | Alan: I thought 2 |
| 00:07.37 | newbcoder | wtf is going on? |
| 00:07.38 | cafuego | CrocoJet: The main difference is that fedora has a graphical install, debian has text. Fedora is huge and its admin utilities are a bit cumbersome, whereas debian *can* be huge and has nice admin tools. |
| 00:07.48 | cafuego | CrocoJet: They're pretty much identical otherwise. |
| 00:07.56 | beardy | Alan: No, it's 2. |
| 00:08.03 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 00:08.15 | Eulex | well, there are big differences in how packages and installed software is installed too |
| 00:08.18 | CrocoJet | both are free ? |
| 00:08.23 | cafuego | CrocoJet: yep |
| 00:08.28 | Alan | beardy, hmmm, maybe i am phrasing it wrong - by default i meant the runlevel it is at when booted and everything started |
| 00:08.34 | Eulex | well, probably depends on what you mean by 'free' |
| 00:08.39 | Alan | i.e. how far does it usually boot |
| 00:08.42 | CrocoJet | no restriction |
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| 00:08.54 | cafuego | CrocoJet: There are restrictions on both. |
| 00:09.02 | cafuego | CrocoJet: They're set out in the GPL. |
| 00:09.05 | bjon | Alan: still 2, at least for me |
| 00:09.06 | Althaser | how can I see which X version I am running ? please |
| 00:09.10 | CrocoJet | ok |
| 00:09.17 | CrocoJet | and about performance ? |
| 00:09.22 | bjon | try: sudo runlevel |
| 00:09.27 | Eulex | Althaser, apt-cache policy x-window-system |
| 00:09.35 | Alan | hmmm |
| 00:09.40 | Alan | bjon, i get 2 5 |
| 00:09.42 | beardy | Alan: You don't need to bother with different runlevels, by default it's meant not to bother with them, just boot "the default one" which is 2. (run 'runlevel' if you doubt) |
| 00:09.42 | Guerin | fuckinghell |
| 00:09.43 | CrocoJet | debian release 2005 ... |
| 00:09.45 | Guerin | another damn bsod |
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| 00:09.49 | Guerin | i thought they cured that shit |
| 00:10.08 | Alan | beardy, ah - i hit 'init 5' so thats probably my problem |
| 00:10.12 | cafuego | CrocoJet: Performance is about the same on similar hardware. Debian is somewhat easier to tweak in that respect, I think. |
| 00:10.16 | beardy | Alan: Yep. |
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| 00:10.25 | Althaser | Eulex I would like to know which gnome version I am running but whitout apt-get :P |
| 00:10.29 | CrocoJet | oh ok |
| 00:10.31 | beardy | Alan: What are you trying to accomplish? |
| 00:10.36 | herbi | has anyon else encountered the problem of X leaking .serverauth files into $HOME |
| 00:10.42 | beardy | Alan: gnome --version |
| 00:10.49 | herbi | when X exits abnormally |
| 00:11.03 | Alan | beardy, nothing... |
| 00:11.04 | Alan | lol |
| 00:11.16 | Alan | beardy, i'm trying to find out how the hell to get sshd on boot |
| 00:11.16 | herbi | google brings up an ubuntu bugzilla report on an identical issue in dapper but no fix reported or other comments |
| 00:11.20 | herbi | im using unstble x86 |
| 00:11.21 | newbcoder | how do I pull the source debian package from which a kernel is built? |
| 00:11.29 | Althaser | Eulex nevermind that works very cool :D thanks a lot |
| 00:11.30 | beardy | Alan: dpkg-reconfigure ssh |
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| 00:11.35 | abrotman | badgers: tell newbcoder about grounding |
| 00:11.40 | CrocoJet | sincerely I was testing KDE ... yesterday ... sorry word .. but look windows s h i t .. confusion ... GUI |
| 00:11.59 | Alan | oh fscking lovely... "/dev/hda1 does not exist - dropping to a shell" |
| 00:12.15 | cafuego | CrocoJet: <heh> |
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| 00:12.27 | CrocoJet | gnome is perfect ... |
| 00:12.34 | CrocoJet | simple .. fast |
| 00:12.40 | Eulex | *giggle* |
| 00:12.41 | cafuego | CrocoJet: it's *completely* configurable (both KDE and Gnome are). |
| 00:12.54 | Eulex | gnome? configurable? |
| 00:13.01 | Ronin | Eulex: ues |
| 00:13.04 | herbi | im talkin to myself arent i! |
| 00:13.06 | Ronin | umm yes even |
| 00:13.08 | herbi | lalalala |
| 00:13.13 | CrocoJet | I think so |
| 00:13.16 | herbi | chicken dippers |
| 00:13.22 | CrocoJet | Gnome .. is more GUI !! |
| 00:13.26 | herbi | chocolate green |
| 00:13.30 | beardy | herbi: Yes, noone can hear you. |
| 00:13.32 | CrocoJet | more everything |
| 00:13.33 | CrocoJet | hehehehe |
| 00:13.42 | herbi | it seems that way beardy! |
| 00:13.46 | Tallu | Wah.. I dont want to install ubuntu. :( |
| 00:13.54 | herbi | soylent green is people! |
| 00:13.55 | CrocoJet | KDE .. give me two crashs .. in 2 hours use |
| 00:13.56 | dad | herbi: i can hear you, but forgot to listen... |
| 00:13.57 | Tallu | I wonder if I could just vmware it. |
| 00:14.07 | keram | how do you print from windows 2k to your cups printer on debian???? |
| 00:14.13 | Alan | http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=21j3l6o <-- any ideas anyone ? |
| 00:14.15 | CrocoJet | vmware is turtle |
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| 00:14.23 | Ronin | herbi: ubuntu? dapper? you are runnign debian correct? |
| 00:14.24 | CrocoJet | ridiculus performance |
| 00:14.24 | beardy | herbi: Such things happen in unstable. |
| 00:14.25 | Alan | it finds the hard drive, but wont mount it? :/ |
| 00:14.26 | Ronin | never mine |
| 00:14.46 | beardy | Alan: when you did 'init 2'? |
| 00:14.55 | minerale | the cups interface is asking me for a password, and it does not seem to like root/rootPW ... is there a special user for cups ? |
| 00:14.59 | Alan | beardy, no - on boot |
| 00:15.08 | bjon | apt-get wants to replace a running kernel image after trying to update alsaplayer, why would it? |
| 00:15.13 | Alan | beardy, i just spend 1 hour getting stuff up and working, and :/ |
| 00:15.31 | beardy | Alan: Which version of Debian are you running? |
| 00:15.39 | Alan | beardy, etch |
| 00:15.48 | Alan | beardy, clean install, + openssh |
| 00:15.49 | Alan | thats it |
| 00:15.50 | Alan | :/ |
| 00:15.56 | Alan | it booted fine the first tie |
| 00:15.58 | Alan | *time |
| 00:16.10 | CrocoJet | anyone here ... use hostx ? |
| 00:16.16 | Alan | i find it hard to believe that 'init 5' would have done that |
| 00:16.39 | beardy | Alan: Yeah, that shouldn't have done anything bad, and ceirtanly not that. |
| 00:16.45 | CrocoJet | xhost |
| 00:16.45 | bjon | Alan: you just typed init 5 once and now it always boots to 5? |
| 00:17.01 | beardy | Alan: Are you sure that the drive is ok? |
| 00:17.18 | Alan | beardy, yes, certain |
| 00:17.26 | Alan | bjon, no - it doesnt boot |
| 00:17.33 | CrocoJet | dinner time .. brb |
| 00:17.37 | beardy | Alan: And you have rebooted it before? |
| 00:17.42 | Alan | it finds hda: hda1 hda2, and then says it CANT find it.. |
| 00:17.56 | Alan | beardy, of course - to get into the OS to install openssh |
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| 00:18.05 | bjon | Alan: and also no boot .. how is that called save boot (without all the drivers and gui) |
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| 00:18.22 | beardy | Alan: Which bootloader are you running? |
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| 00:18.47 | Alan | beardy, grub |
| 00:18.57 | beardy | Alan: Have you updated your kernel and not grub? |
| 00:19.21 | Alan | beardy, this is a new install - it installed the kernel and grub, and was working |
| 00:19.28 | Alan | like i said - it let me boot the first time |
| 00:19.31 | Alan | :( |
| 00:19.44 | bjon | Alan: you did nothing inbetween? |
| 00:20.03 | beardy | Alan: First yes, I asked if you had rebooted it, as in a few times after you had gone through the installation. |
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| 00:20.10 | ShredZ | Alan, this happened when you rebooted the system again after the install ? |
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| 00:20.28 | Alan | ShredZ, yes - the second boot |
| 00:20.32 | Alan | the first boot was fine |
| 00:20.42 | ShredZ | Alan, I installed etch twice last month and it did that both times |
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| 00:20.59 | beardy | ShredZ: Why? Or how did you fix it? |
| 00:21.03 | Alan | bjon, changed my sources.list, installed openssh, accidentally did init 5 |
| 00:21.06 | Alan | ShredZ, :o |
| 00:21.10 | ShredZ | the problem seems to be with the initrd getting messed up or something if you install a kernel image |
| 00:21.21 | ShredZ | at least it was in my case |
| 00:21.31 | bjon | Alan: where exactly does it go wrong, what is the last message you see? |
| 00:21.52 | Alan | bjon, did you not see the screenshot/ |
| 00:21.54 | Alan | ? |
| 00:22.03 | Alan | http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=21j3l6o |
| 00:22.08 | bjon | Alan: no sorry |
| 00:22.21 | ShredZ | Alan that's the error I got too |
| 00:22.48 | ShredZ | I had to go in with a live CD and fix the initrd image, then it was alright again |
| 00:22.51 | Alan | bjon, http://tinypic.com/view/?pic=21j3l6o |
| 00:23.05 | Alan | ShredZ, thats lame :( |
| 00:23.14 | Alan | hmmm |
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| 00:23.33 | Alan | is 'etch' the same as the 'testing' repo? |
| 00:23.46 | beardy | Alan: Eh.. vmware, and why didn't you mention that? |
| 00:23.48 | Alan | because i need SOMETHING to be stable here - this is going to be a mail server |
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| 00:23.58 | beardy | !!! |
| 00:24.04 | Alan | beardy, because people will say "bleh its vmware" and tell me it not their problem? |
| 00:24.05 | abrotman | you're going to run a mail server in vmware? |
| 00:24.08 | ShredZ | Alan, after I fixed that both installation have been rock solid ever since |
| 00:24.12 | Alan | abrotman, no |
| 00:24.23 | Alan | abrotman, i am doing a migration test on a virtual server first |
| 00:24.29 | Alan | abrotman, before i do the REAL migration |
| 00:24.37 | abrotman | just upgrade .. nothing ever goes wrong |
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| 00:24.52 | Alan | abrotman, from another OS |
| 00:25.11 | beardy | Alan: Firstly, no, it's much worse not to be honest, how is anyone going to give prooper answers without your facts, if they are not correct, or not complete? Secondly, run Sarge, do it. |
| 00:25.32 | Alan | beardy, will sarge testing get me the same packages as etch? |
| 00:25.33 | ShredZ | I don't know why it did that, I installed kernel-image-k7, then uninstalled the kernel image that comes standard (486 I think), then I had to fix the initrd and then it was ok again :/ |
| 00:25.36 | Alan | they are the same, yes? |
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| 00:25.43 | beardy | badgers: sarge |
| 00:25.44 | badgers | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 00:25.56 | Alan | beardy, sarge 'stable' repo is painfully outdated for the packages i need in most cases |
| 00:26.16 | beardy | Alan: Then good luck. beardy out. |
| 00:26.25 | Alan | :( |
| 00:26.30 | Boil | haha |
| 00:26.32 | Boil | n00b |
| 00:26.34 | Alan | so i should use sarge with testing repos? |
| 00:26.39 | Alan | erm |
| 00:26.43 | Boil | :P |
| 00:26.59 | Ronin | Alan: not unless you want to bugger up your system |
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| 00:27.00 | jelly-home | Alan: for production purposes, you might be better off with sarge + some selected backports. |
| 00:27.12 | Alan | jelly-home, i see |
| 00:27.13 | Ronin | however as jelly-home said backports can be your friend |
| 00:27.13 | beardy | Alan: No, that's much worse. |
| 00:27.35 | Alan | Ah, is ee |
| 00:27.37 | Alan | *i see |
| 00:27.42 | Alan | i forgot about backports >.< |
| 00:27.49 | Alan | been a little while since i used debian last |
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| 00:28.58 | beardy | badgers: n00b |
| 00:28.59 | badgers | hmm... n00b is l33t jargon for newbie. |
| 00:29.14 | beardy | I never remember the right one.. |
| 00:31.21 | abrotman | badgers: newb |
| 00:31.21 | badgers | Don't bother telling us you're a "newb" or a "n00b". We can tell. |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | that one? |
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| 00:32.23 | Alan | haha |
| 00:32.30 | Alan | damn right |
| 00:33.41 | beardy | yeah, though he left anyway (and no, not a good one in that case, a better "n00b" factoid would have been better..) |
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| 00:35.42 | khaije1 | how do i use apt to print a info on all installed packages? |
| 00:35.48 | cafuego | dpkg -l |
| 00:35.55 | fdsd | hey guys, why does anyone use debian if ubuntu is around? |
| 00:35.56 | ratonn | - /var/spool/exim4/msglog is eating up 12gb of space. How do I clear it? |
| 00:36.07 | beardy | fdsd: Hi dude, use /part. |
| 00:36.15 | khaije1 | cafuego: so i shouldn't use apt for this task? |
| 00:36.21 | cafuego | fdsd: To act as a honeypot for trolls. |
| 00:36.36 | cafuego | khaije1: I wouldn't, no. |
| 00:36.43 | grendal_prime | i cant tell if this thing is actually working..whats the command to see what pci cards are bing accessed? |
| 00:36.44 | pillowpants | anyone know? |
| 00:37.27 | khaije1 | cafuego: what would you say would be a good rule of thumb in deciding between the two for a task? I've used apt for almost everything so far... |
| 00:37.30 | grendal_prime | pcimodules shows the DAC960 module...i dont know if its actually working though |
| 00:37.35 | pillowpants | cafuego, any idea? |
| 00:37.46 | cafuego | khaije1: What do you mean when you say 'apt' ? |
| 00:37.53 | cafuego | pillowpants: I'm full of ideas. |
| 00:38.11 | pillowpants | cafuego, does that involve thinking? |
| 00:38.21 | khaije1 | cafuego: the apt suite, but apt-get and apt-cache mostly |
| 00:38.37 | cafuego | pillowpants: Of course not, what do you take me for? |
| 00:38.38 | beardy | grendal_prime: procinfo, shows used IRQ:s atleast.. not sure how to check which cards are accessed, more than something like procinfo, or procdigging, or trying to proove that something works, or not, and write them down :) |
| 00:39.05 | cafuego | khaije1: *nod* They're normally used to search for or fetch files from repositories and installing them. dpkg is a local app (no networking). |
| 00:39.24 | khaije1 | i see, thanks cafuego :-) |
| 00:39.35 | grendal_prime | lsmod shows this |
| 00:39.36 | grendal_prime | DAC960 77416 0 |
| 00:39.46 | bjon | beardy: procinfo? I don't have that, which package? |
| 00:39.48 | cafuego | grendal_prime: dmesg | grep DAC960 |
| 00:40.01 | grendal_prime | so...i mean...i would think |
| 00:40.07 | cafuego | bjon: cat /proc/interrupts |
| 00:40.28 | bjon | cafuego: ah ok |
| 00:40.37 | grendal_prime | cafuego, dmesg gives me this info |
| 00:40.39 | grendal_prime | DAC960#0: Unable to Enable Memory Mailbox Interface for Controller at |
| 00:40.48 | grendal_prime | DAC960#0: PCI Bus 2 Device 4 Function 1 I/O Address N/A PCI Address 0xFC800000 |
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| 00:41.08 | cafuego | grendal_prime: Oh, so the driver has loaded and it did detect a piece of hardware. |
| 00:41.24 | grendal_prime | thats the last bit of info that comes from the |
| 00:41.42 | grendal_prime | driver though..ya...so basically im totally lost as to what that info means. |
| 00:41.47 | Malagmyr_ | sssssssqs |
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| 00:44.08 | bjon | how do you guys deal with installation from tarballs, put the corresponding package on hold or make a placeholder dpkg? |
| 00:44.17 | keram | how do you print from windows 2k to your cups printer on debian???? |
| 00:44.21 | abrotman | stow or checkinstall |
| 00:44.39 | abrotman | badgers: equivs |
| 00:44.40 | badgers | [equivs] a package that enables you to create dummy packages that tell apt you really have installed (through some other means) the package. apt-get install equivs, and read /usr/share/doc/equivs/*, or see also "usrlocal" |
| 00:44.41 | bjon | don't know stow, but checkinstall still needs work |
| 00:44.42 | cafuego | keram: You tell samba to sue cups and share [printers]. |
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| 00:44.52 | bjon | to go nicely with the dpkg database right? |
| 00:44.53 | keram | how do you do that? |
| 00:45.12 | DaSkreech | Hello can I get a little help with dpkg-buildpackage |
| 00:45.26 | bjon | badgers: thanks, I read about it |
| 00:45.26 | badgers | bjon: no problem |
| 00:45.29 | DaSkreech | I get a debian/rules permission denied error |
| 00:45.40 | beardy | cafuego: heh, nice typo |
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| 00:46.01 | poonj | anyone here get libnss with ldap to work? |
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| 00:49.44 | grendal_prime | cafuego, looks like there is another card using the same address or something same irq maybe? |
| 00:49.59 | poonj | man, in fedora...a lot of packages are installed |
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| 00:52.21 | beardy | poonj: This is #debian. |
| 00:52.56 | Jenkens | hrmmm |
| 00:52.58 | Jenkens | !sparc |
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| 00:53.04 | Jenkens | dpkg not workin? |
| 00:53.34 | pillowpants | which is best??? dd_rescue, ddrescue or dd with conv=noerror,sync? |
| 00:53.35 | abrotman | badgers: sparc |
| 00:53.35 | badgers | methinks sparc is the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For help ... |
| 00:53.36 | beardy | No. |
| 00:53.41 | Jenkens | stll having sparc repository problems |
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| 00:55.10 | DaSkreech | Never mind. Duh Easy fix :-) |
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| 00:57.32 | keram | how do you make samba share you printer with windows computers on you network? |
| 00:57.54 | nvz | keram: do you already have your printer configured in linux? |
| 00:58.02 | keram | yeah |
| 00:58.07 | nvz | using cups? |
| 00:58.13 | keram | yep |
| 00:58.15 | keram | its printing |
| 00:58.22 | keram | and its also printing with other linux machines on my LAN |
| 00:58.46 | nvz | http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-mini/Debian-and-Windows-Shared-Printing.html |
| 00:59.14 | nvz | I am not a linux printing expert.. but theres a Debian and Windows Shared Printing howto |
| 00:59.21 | cafuego | keram: printcap = cups in smb.conf |
| 00:59.35 | deceptacon | hey guys im pretty new at linux, i have an old celeron system and the minimal install iso burnt onto a cd. and i couldnt seem to get a gui loaded |
| 00:59.46 | cafuego | if you want to, you can dump the windows printers drivers in samba for auto-install too |
| 00:59.49 | keram | okay ic |
| 00:59.54 | nevyn | minimal means no gui.. pretty much by definition |
| 01:00.03 | litage | i just found this message in my logs: "/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: grep: /etc/apache2/conf.d/[^.#]*: No such file or directory" however, i can't find where this grep occurs in /etc/ . any suggestions on how to debug this? |
| 01:00.15 | keram | how do you do that cafuego? |
| 01:00.18 | deceptacon | can i use something like apt-get to install it maybe |
| 01:00.29 | nvz | keram: edit /etc/samba/smb.conf |
| 01:00.35 | abrotman | deceptacon: which GUI do you want ? |
| 01:00.42 | keram | what do i edit in it? |
| 01:00.47 | deceptacon | im not sure abrotman |
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| 01:00.49 | nvz | keram: an editor |
| 01:00.54 | nvz | er |
| 01:00.57 | abrotman | deceptacon: and you spelled your nick wrong :) |
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| 01:01.05 | deceptacon | hows that? |
| 01:01.06 | nvz | keram: the line that says printcap = |
| 01:01.30 | abrotman | deceptacon: go to .. http://xwinman.org/ .. pick one you like .. ask us how to install it |
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| 01:01.33 | keram | ; printing = bsd |
| 01:01.33 | keram | ; printcap name = /etc/printcap |
| 01:01.50 | keram | i change bsd to cups? |
| 01:01.54 | abrotman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decepticon |
| 01:02.00 | cafuego | keram: afaik, yes. |
| 01:02.09 | keram | then what? |
| 01:02.21 | cafuego | google is thy friend |
| 01:02.33 | nvz | keram: when you change /etc/samba/smb.conf you save it, then you restart samba /etc/init.d/samba restart |
| 01:02.39 | deceptacon | oh damn you're right |
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| 01:02.45 | keram | alright |
| 01:02.58 | keram | so umm |
| 01:03.04 | abrotman | badgers: lose deceptacon |
| 01:03.04 | badgers | deceptacon: You Lose. |
| 01:03.11 | deceptacon | :( |
| 01:03.27 | keram | how do i add it on windows? |
| 01:03.38 | Jenkens | damnit |
| 01:03.49 | cafuego | add porinter -> network ... |
| 01:04.00 | nvz | keram: if its working properly you would be able to see the printer in Network Neighborhood or My Network Places |
| 01:04.03 | abrotman | deceptacon: anyways .. pick one of those window managers .. i'll tell you that many use gnome or kde |
| 01:04.17 | keram | i can see my computer but i cant see the printer |
| 01:04.18 | nvz | or in the add printer control panel |
| 01:04.24 | deceptacon | yes i was going to say gnome or kde myself, but ill check out the others as well |
| 01:04.51 | nvz | keram: note, the printer would be inside the computer where the shares are.. |
| 01:04.52 | keram | in network places it makes me put in a password to connect |
| 01:05.09 | abrotman | deceptacon: well .. if you want to pick one now .. you can start installing it .. while you browse the others |
| 01:05.12 | nvz | keram: man smbpasswd |
| 01:05.35 | keram | is there a way to make it so there is no password? |
| 01:05.45 | keram | because in the add printer wizard there is no place to input a password |
| 01:05.50 | deceptacon | abrotman, im going to move my laptop next to my other computer so i can refer back to you, but ill have to disconnect. |
| 01:05.53 | deceptacon | ill be back in a few |
| 01:05.57 | keram | so it probably just wont let me go in the computer hosting the printer |
| 01:06.12 | abrotman | deceptacon: ok .. will you be coming back as "autabot" ? |
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| 01:06.22 | cafuego | autistbbot? |
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| 01:06.49 | newbcoder | where can I find documentation on how to get sound working? everything worked fine in debian stable;then I went to testing; and sound no longer works; and I'm sad. |
| 01:07.09 | abrotman | badgers: tell newbcoder about alsa one-liner |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | badgers: tell newbcoder about alsa-checklist |
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| 01:08.44 | newbcoder | cat /de/urandom > /dev/dsp does nothing |
| 01:09.03 | newbcoder | in debain stable; I would modprobe cmpci; then everything would work |
| 01:09.03 | Vasistha | newbcoder: /de/urandom or /dev/urandom |
| 01:09.18 | newbcoder | on debian testing; I can't find the cmpci module |
| 01:09.19 | newbcoder | Vasistha, /dev/urandom |
| 01:09.25 | Vasistha | just checking... |
| 01:09.28 | abrotman | either would work |
| 01:09.28 | insta | Is anyone familiar with using Debian as a router? I've got a machine acting as one, and all the clients can ping google, dig, talk to most ports on the router, and the router can talk to any TCP port in the world, but the clients can't talk to any TCP ports in the world |
| 01:10.12 | newbcoder | iptables configuration? |
| 01:10.29 | newbcoder | what is the debian way to get the source corresponding to the current kernel? |
| 01:10.32 | insta | newbcoder: well, yeah, I'm using iptables ... I didn't know if that was enough info to help start narrowing it down |
| 01:10.33 | newbcoder | (the step before make-kpkg) |
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| 01:10.58 | nvz | newbcoder: apt-get install kernel-source-$(uname -r) |
| 01:11.14 | nvz | newbcoder: or you could just use vanilla source from kernel.org |
| 01:11.30 | newbcoder | E: Couldn't find package kernel-source-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 01:11.54 | nvz | newbcoder: try just 2.6.16-2 |
| 01:12.06 | nvz | newbcoder: or apt-cache search kernel-source-2.6 |
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| 01:12.18 | Jenkens | geh |
| 01:12.22 | newbcoder | there's only 2.6.8 |
| 01:12.52 | Jenkens | bweeeeeeeeee |
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| 01:13.22 | mael_ | hi |
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| 01:13.26 | mael_ | last try.. |
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| 01:14.24 | insta | no ideas on the router? |
| 01:15.35 | mael_ | ok: i log into a remote machine with ssh. if i want to start an application to show on the remote display (app -display remote_machine:0) i get an couldnt open display error |
| 01:16.12 | Vasistha | insta: well, I would guess, either you don't have the gateway configured properly, or the firewall is blocking it |
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| 01:16.37 | Vasistha | insta: there's a package that's specifically designed to set your computer up to be a gateway, but I forget what it's called. |
| 01:16.40 | mael_ | i tried ssh -X, ssh -Y, setting xhost + on the remote machine, in sshd_config on the remote machine X11forwarding yes is enabled.. hosts.allow|deny are empty. |
| 01:17.08 | Jenkens | anyone else here running deb on a sparc? my repositories have been tossing md5sum errors since friday |
| 01:17.11 | insta | shorewall was a bit confusing |
| 01:17.12 | mael_ | setting DISPLAY=remote_machine:0 doesnt work either.. |
| 01:17.35 | Vasistha | Jenkens: try a different repository? Also ... uhm, get the new 2006 key? |
| 01:17.47 | mael_ | i would really appreciate help on that issue |
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| 01:17.50 | insta | mael_: ssh normally to it, run export DISPLAY=:0, then start the program in the background |
| 01:18.01 | Jenkens | Vasistha: tried diff repos, key isn't the problem. it's just the md5sum of the package.gz's |
| 01:20.27 | mael_ | insta: thank you.. |
| 01:20.33 | mael_ | insta: its working.. |
| 01:20.41 | insta | mael_: good deal. |
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| 01:21.27 | mael_ | insta: this leaves the question whats the difference between setting DISPLAY=hostname:0 (didnt work) and DISPLAY=:0 (worked)? |
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| 01:22.31 | mael_ | DISPLAY=localhost:0 doesnt work either.. |
| 01:23.11 | waltz | does the latest debian support Serial ATA hard drives? |
| 01:24.20 | smagy2 | hello folks how does one enable the CONFIG_IA32_EMULATION i can't seem to find that option under binary format IA31 emulation at least for kernels from > 2.6.12, but a google search shows that option is under that category. would appreciate some help |
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| 01:24.25 | Vasistha | waltz: yes, I believe SATA is supported in sarge, as well as testing/unstable |
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| 01:24.28 | CHodapp | mae, did you do 'xhost +localhost'? |
| 01:24.35 | CHodapp | I'm using SATA in testing right now |
| 01:24.42 | Hoxzer | is there any unstable users? |
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| 01:24.59 | waltz | well no partitionable media was found when I had SATA drives and loaded sarge 3.1 |
| 01:25.09 | Vasistha | badgers: tell Hoxzer about ask |
| 01:25.12 | waltz | so I was wondering if that was changed |
| 01:25.21 | Guerin | Hoxzer: not on here. They're all to busy fixing their systems. |
| 01:25.28 | Guerin | s/to/too/ |
| 01:25.29 | Hoxzer | Vasistha: I just wanted to ask what does that user think about it :D |
| 01:27.13 | Vasistha | !poll |
| 01:27.13 | cafuego | Hoxzer: I got unstable running in a vmware vm. |
| 01:27.17 | Vasistha | d'oh |
| 01:27.21 | deceptacon | abrotman, can i pm you |
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| 01:29.20 | abrotman | for what? |
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| 01:29.53 | lastnode | anybody have any opinions on AMD processors for laptops? |
| 01:30.02 | deceptacon | i wanted to ask some stupid questions and im too embarressed to ask here |
| 01:30.02 | abrotman | they're dandy .. ask #hardware |
| 01:30.09 | abrotman | deceptacon: they can't be that bad |
| 01:30.21 | lastnode | abrotman, ive heard about overheating etc? |
| 01:30.24 | mael_ | insta: do you know why its working with =:0 but not with =localhost:0 and =hostname:0? |
| 01:30.30 | abrotman | lastnode: ask #hardware |
| 01:30.36 | lastnode | abrotman, asking, asking :) |
| 01:30.42 | deceptacon | okay. what kinds of packages would you install after doing a minimal install of sarge |
| 01:30.45 | Vasistha | Hoxzer: if you are new to debian, you should probably not run unstable, because it breaks. Only expert users should really run unstable. |
| 01:30.46 | cafuego | lastnode: The only thing I'd worry about for a laptop is whether the wifi works with Linux. |
| 01:30.51 | abrotman | deceptacon: depends on the purpose of the machine |
| 01:31.04 | cafuego | lastnode: With that in mind, I'd probably go centrino. |
| 01:31.12 | deceptacon | abrotman, the purpose of my machine is to have ssh, vnc, and some torrent program |
| 01:31.13 | mael_ | insta: cause i couldnt figure it out but i want to know.. |
| 01:31.19 | insta | mael_: no, i just know that :0 has always worked in my cases :) |
| 01:31.23 | abrotman | deceptacon: did you pick a desktop yet ? |
| 01:31.38 | deceptacon | gnome looks good |
| 01:31.46 | mael_ | insta: weird shit.. |
| 01:31.46 | abrotman | deceptacon: apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system |
| 01:32.06 | deceptacon | alright thanks |
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| 01:32.47 | abrotman | deceptacon: apt-cache search <term1> <term2> <etc> can help you find things you need |
| 01:32.50 | mael_ | insta: maybe kind of with the name in front of :0 ssh thinks its kinda network thing and no more "local"... .. |
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| 01:33.08 | lastnode | cafuego, it's a choice of a compaq presario amd sempron vs acer centrino. naturally the sempron comes with double the ram for the same price |
| 01:33.13 | lastnode | sorry got d/c |
| 01:33.47 | abrotman | why not get a turion ? |
| 01:33.49 | cafuego | lastnode: Yes, but does it have a broadcom wifi chip? |
| 01:33.58 | insta | mael_: I dunno man, all i know reliably is how to get it working. i could BS an answer for you, but i doubt you'd want that |
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| 01:35.07 | lastnode | sigh |
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| 01:35.31 | mael_ | insta: BS? |
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| 01:40.18 | abrotman | !moo |
| 01:40.39 | abrotman | :( |
| 01:40.40 | abrotman | badgers: moo |
| 01:40.41 | badgers | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
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| 01:44.01 | Samooka | hello |
| 01:44.05 | cafuego | Hmm, system load 44 |
| 01:44.46 | Samooka | does anyone know the eiffel market analysis server by Jim Cochrane? |
| 01:45.29 | Samooka | this software stopped working on my machine and I do not have a clue how to get it fixed, since I get no error messages, only a blank command line. |
| 01:45.53 | Samooka | actually, server is working fine, I can manipulate data, but the graphing GUI is not working. |
| 01:46.06 | Samooka | any hints? |
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| 01:46.39 | vick | Hello. |
| 01:46.44 | vick | is there limewire on debian ? |
| 01:46.58 | CHodapp | vick, just get Java |
| 01:47.02 | Kevin` | vick there are gnutella clients available, yes |
| 01:47.19 | CHodapp | and then download the LimeWire package from the site |
| 01:47.21 | vick | seems no package called java |
| 01:47.30 | pipeline | vick: apt-cache search |
| 01:47.30 | vick | Kevin`, What's a famous one ? |
| 01:47.45 | Kevin` | vick iono, I use windows for that, actually |
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| 01:48.13 | cafuego | Honestly, for piracy software, people ought to use 'arr-cache search'. |
| 01:48.30 | Kevin` | arr-cache? |
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| 01:48.57 | Vasistha | vick: I think GiFT can connect to limewire's network |
| 01:49.00 | Jenkens | weak joke |
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| 01:49.09 | pipeline | I would rather murder people on the high seas and steal their dvds the old fashioned way. |
| 01:49.21 | Kevin` | lol |
| 01:49.43 | Kevin` | usenet is faster :) |
| 01:49.57 | stew | pipeline: that would help global warming too |
| 01:50.49 | stew | (if you believe in FSM) |
| 01:51.05 | deceptacon | what happens if i install only the x-window-system |
| 01:51.42 | stew | deceptacon: what do you mean? |
| 01:52.06 | deceptacon | instead of apt-get install gdm gnome x-window-system, just apt-get install x-window-system |
| 01:52.23 | deceptacon | can i still access a shell window from there on |
| 01:52.46 | stew | deceptacon: you don't get gnome, you get twm as a window manager |
| 01:53.19 | Tomze | x-windows-system = xorg in etch and sid |
| 01:53.35 | deceptacon | im sorry, i dont follow |
| 01:53.36 | Tomze | there is a core package also.. i guess its without twm |
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| 01:55.57 | abrotman | Jenkens: is this for stable ? |
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| 01:59.48 | Jenkens | abrotman: no, etch. but it's been this way since friday |
| 02:00.10 | Jenkens | i could try the stable repos, i wonder if they are boinked too |
| 02:00.42 | abrotman | good idea |
| 02:01.14 | Jenkens | nope, seems the stable repos are good |
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| 02:01.42 | Jenkens | so something is wonky with the testing sparc repositories |
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| 02:02.46 | zamuro | Anyone? |
| 02:02.55 | Ronin | !anyone |
| 02:02.58 | Ronin | doh |
| 02:03.02 | Jenkens | Failed to fetch http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 02:03.02 | zamuro | Where are the kernel files located in debian? |
| 02:03.05 | Jenkens | bleh |
| 02:03.27 | zamuro | aren't they on /usr/src/linux/include? |
| 02:04.22 | abrotman | zamuro: you mean the headers? |
| 02:04.47 | zamuro | yup |
| 02:04.48 | zamuro | What is the location of the directory of C header files that match your running |
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| 02:08.10 | SJr|nx | What are some good stress testing tools for *nix |
| 02:08.19 | SJr|nx | I basically want to test a system for a few days to make sure it's stable |
| 02:08.21 | Jenkens | abrotman: is there an official page or bug report i could possibly verify on this? |
| 02:08.45 | abrotman | Jenkens: probably something like the debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org |
| 02:09.22 | Kevin` | SJr|nx test what.. cpu/memory? |
| 02:09.23 | abrotman | though .. looks to be mostly spam .. but i'd hope the ftp-masters read it |
| 02:09.37 | SJr|nx | Hmmmm I dunno the system as a whole, I don't trust it. |
| 02:09.37 | abrotman | Jenkens: you've tried other mirrors right ? |
| 02:09.41 | SJr|nx | The hard drives will be replaced |
| 02:09.46 | abrotman | Jenkens: or asked #debiansparc ? |
| 02:09.52 | SJr|nx | I just want to make sure that it won't kernel panic, or whatever |
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| 02:10.16 | Jenkens | abrotman: no, i forget what the channel was, and dpkg didn't mention it (where I thought before hand he did) |
| 02:10.20 | Kevin` | so testing the software? |
| 02:10.23 | abrotman | badgers: sparc |
| 02:10.24 | badgers | somebody said sparc was the CPU architecture used in Sun's proprietary hardware. Non-embedded ones usually run Solaris, but to run Linux on it, visit http://www.ultralinux.org/faq.html or Type make vmlinux (not kernel or bzImage or lilo or anything like that) to compile the kernel. For more information about the SPARC architecture, see http://www.sparc.org. For ... |
| 02:10.27 | Kevin` | or the drivers? |
| 02:10.32 | Jenkens | abrotman: not that there's anyone in #debiansparc |
| 02:10.55 | SJr|nx | I guess I'd like to preform sustained disk I/O calls, and high memory and cpu usage for a day or three |
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| 02:11.06 | abrotman | Jenkens: try on irc.oftc.net |
| 02:11.33 | Jenkens | good call |
| 02:11.34 | SJr|nx | Oh that reminds me, I read on the postings of switching to oftc, that freenode pulled some kind of prank on oftc, what was that? |
| 02:11.39 | abrotman | uh |
| 02:11.42 | abrotman | where'd it go |
| 02:11.45 | Jenkens | what? |
| 02:11.59 | Kevin` | still don't see the point of switching/splitting |
| 02:12.23 | Ronin | Kevin`: likewise but its one of those things we have no choice over so we live with it |
| 02:12.29 | abrotman | Jenkens: it's #debian-sparc on oftc |
| 02:12.55 | Jenkens | abrotman: ahh indeed |
| 02:13.10 | abrotman | Jenkens: and you might have to wait a while |
| 02:13.11 | Kevin` | I think it was a change because of one certain person bieng rather loud.. but |
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| 02:13.24 | Jenkens | abrotman: np |
| 02:13.36 | Ronin | fun part is now oftc is getting those gnaa and other morons heh |
| 02:13.45 | abrotman | really ? |
| 02:14.14 | nevyn | you know I have that movie |
| 02:14.25 | Ronin | abrotman: ya i saw a couple of them come in and do thier thing, they aren't really smart mind you so they really suck at it |
| 02:14.41 | abrotman | duh |
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| 02:14.51 | Kevin` | Ronin makes you wish for some skilled trolls |
| 02:14.57 | Ronin | Kevin`: almost |
| 02:15.05 | abrotman | wait for the ubuntu users ... |
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| 02:15.06 | Ronin | that or more folks practicing safe sex |
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| 02:16.17 | Kevin` | bcm43xx is not the easiest thing to type :/ |
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| 02:23.04 | Alan | yay |
| 02:23.08 | Alan | finally got an install |
| 02:23.09 | dvs | boo |
| 02:23.16 | Alan | although accidentally on the wrong kernel :/ |
| 02:23.31 | dvs | Alan: What kernel did you install? |
| 02:23.42 | vick | is there a simple way to get mplayer ? |
| 02:23.45 | Hoxzer | what do you guys think about OpenBDS? |
| 02:23.48 | vick | xine sucks |
| 02:23.49 | Hoxzer | *bsd |
| 02:23.59 | dvs | vick: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 02:24.01 | Hoxzer | vick: :( I prefer xine :( |
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| 02:27.23 | vick | dvs, dpkg didn't message me |
| 02:27.27 | vick | !tell vick about marillat |
| 02:27.31 | Jenkens | dpkg seems unresponding |
| 02:27.42 | dvs | vick: try ravenbird |
| 02:28.10 | vick | what's ravenbird ? |
| 02:28.15 | vick | !tell vick about ravenbird |
| 02:28.20 | abrotman | badgers: marillat |
| 02:28.20 | badgers | from memory, marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and ... |
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| 02:29.33 | vick | badgers, marillat.etch |
| 02:29.33 | badgers | first, ask me about <marillat key>. then, run # echo "deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org etch main" >> /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get update; (as root) to add the marillat repository |
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| 02:29.47 | vick | badgers, marillat key |
| 02:29.47 | badgers | For apt >= 0.6, ask me about <apt-key 1F41B907> |
| 02:29.50 | vick | lol |
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| 02:30.33 | vick | i have a question tho |
| 02:30.35 | vick | suppose i do that |
| 02:30.46 | vick | and then apt-get install a normal package that i dont want from marillat, i want from etch |
| 02:30.53 | vick | will it go for 'etch' first or marillat ? |
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| 02:31.13 | dvs | vick: etch and marillat packages don't overlap |
| 02:31.15 | abrotman | uh .. |
| 02:31.26 | abrotman | it says above that it has things not in debian |
| 02:31.33 | vick | badgers, apt-key 1F41B907 |
| 02:31.34 | badgers | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 1F41B907 ; gpg --export 1F41B907 | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 02:33.09 | vick | what does gpg do ? |
| 02:33.11 | abrotman | vick: /msg badgers blah |
| 02:33.17 | dvs | @gpg |
| 02:33.19 | ravenbird | rumour has it, gpg is the GNU Privacy Guard, a free public-key encryption program available from nonUS.debian.org . or http://www.gnupg.org, but apt-get install gnupg |
| 02:33.36 | vick | Yeah i know that. |
| 02:33.42 | vick | i mean what does it have to do with repos ? |
| 02:33.53 | vick | A method of authentication ? |
| 02:34.01 | dvs | vick: it is used to verify the signatures on the packages |
| 02:34.07 | vick | oh. |
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| 02:35.47 | abrotman | badgers: tell vick about apt-secure |
| 02:38.27 | vick | aside from gmplayer what's a good GUI frontend to mplayer ? |
| 02:38.38 | abrotman | ask #mplayer |
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| 02:41.56 | Alan | what the hell is going on here... |
| 02:42.09 | Alan | its not letting me use packages from testing/backports |
| 02:42.49 | Alan | http://rafb.net/paste/results/zl1DlK72.html |
| 02:42.54 | Alan | what do i have wrong there? |
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| 02:43.48 | stoned | you shouldn't be mixing stable and testing packages |
| 02:43.57 | abrotman | !flamethrower |
| 02:44.01 | abrotman | god dman it!!! |
| 02:44.04 | stoned | lol |
| 02:44.12 | stoned | badgers, flamethrower |
| 02:44.13 | badgers | Ever seen what happens when you put fire to plastic? This is what happens when you mix your sarge sources with testing/unstable |
| 02:44.46 | Alan | ok |
| 02:44.54 | Alan | so how do i grab from backports then? |
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| 02:45.21 | stoned | Alan, the instructions are very clear. Visit backports.org and read |
| 02:45.24 | shawnr_ | [ubuntu dapper / gnome / swiftfox] most flash banners are staying on top of web site menus and stuff. there a way around this? |
| 02:45.26 | Alan | i have |
| 02:45.29 | litage | i just found this message in my logs: "/etc/cron.daily/logrotate: grep: /etc/apache2/conf.d/[^.#]*: No such file or directory" however, i can't find where this grep occurs in /etc/ . any suggestions on how to debug this? |
| 02:45.46 | stoned | shawnr_, this is #debian. Please ask in #ubuntu |
| 02:45.52 | Alan | stoned, it wont pull a version newer than the one i already have... |
| 02:46.07 | Alan | http://www.backports.org/package.php?search=dovecot |
| 02:46.25 | shawnr_ | i did, a long time ago lol. figured since ubuntu was debian based. |
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| 02:46.45 | Jenkens | hrmp |
| 02:46.45 | Alan | or can i not do it from the 'preferences' file liek that? |
| 02:46.58 | Jenkens | alan: have you not tried apt-get -t debian-backports install <foo> |
| 02:47.09 | Jenkens | err rather |
| 02:47.15 | stoned | sarge-backports |
| 02:47.15 | Jenkens | sarge-backports |
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| 02:47.34 | stoned | its the same as pinning which won't help him. |
| 02:47.45 | Alan | Jenkens, ah, how the hell did i not see that part? :/ |
| 02:48.02 | stoned | Alan, you can try to get the sofware yourself, latest verion I mean. Or you can try a simple sid backport |
| 02:48.02 | Jenkens | stoned: well, that should override the low pinning (200) |
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| 02:48.39 | stoned | Jenkens, precicely the reason I told him to read the "clear instructions" on backports.org |
| 02:48.45 | Jenkens | hah |
| 02:48.46 | Jenkens | ya |
| 02:49.03 | FabParma | my debian takes long time to boot up whaiting for "appletalk" i dont need apple talk at all. i tried 'apt-get remove appletalk', but nothing is changed. what can i do? |
| 02:49.08 | Alan | stoned, it DID help me using -t :/ |
| 02:49.12 | abrotman | netatalk |
| 02:49.13 | Jenkens | although i'll say that trusting your pinning can lead to problems too |
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| 02:49.29 | stoned | I don't pin anything. I use the -t switch |
| 02:49.37 | Jenkens | nod |
| 02:49.45 | Jenkens | but i'm sayin pinning can |
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| 02:50.02 | d4t2ilL4 | hi |
| 02:50.02 | keram | how do i set up samba so that it doesnt require a username |
| 02:50.04 | keram | or password? |
| 02:50.18 | stoned | anything can if you don't understand it. That is why people should not be spoonfed |
| 02:50.19 | d4t2ilL4 | do you guys know why when i execute this usermod -d /home/xxx -m xxx |
| 02:50.23 | d4t2ilL4 | nothing happens? |
| 02:50.27 | abrotman | #samba or samba.org should be able to help you |
| 02:50.57 | FabParma | abrotman: sorry. i used 'apt-get remove nettalk" |
| 02:51.12 | abrotman | blacklist the module |
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| 02:51.52 | stoned | ~hi |
| 02:51.53 | apt | hello, stoned |
| 02:52.02 | Jenkens | stoned: well, point being, say you have sarge pinned at 900, but testing pinned at 800. if for some reason there are missing dependencies in the sarge repository it'll auto fetch them from testing.. which can obviously brake stuff. apt ought to not criss-cross dependencies between stable/testing(etc) .. but it will with pinning set the way the apt_preferences guide suggests |
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| 02:52.29 | FabParma | does exist a way to delete at all 'appletalk' ? |
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| 02:54.10 | Hoxzer | FabParma: If I dont stoop EVERY tear YOU Are cryiing IF I dont make your life heaven on this EARTH I dieeeee trying |
| 02:54.28 | stoned | what the fuck |
| 02:54.37 | Katai | O.o |
| 02:54.52 | Hoxzer | :D good song |
| 02:55.13 | stoned | sounds like any other mediocre pop boy/girl band R&B bullshit |
| 02:55.19 | Hoxzer | *:D |
| 02:55.24 | Hoxzer | This is coyntry |
| 02:55.40 | stoned | yeah, I'm aware of it |
| 02:55.53 | stoned | my cat left me for my wagon |
| 02:56.01 | stoned | my wife left me for my truck |
| 02:56.03 | FabParma | thank you for help me... |
| 02:56.30 | stoned | or my truck is broken, and my wife left me |
| 02:56.36 | stoned | or some such shit every other song |
| 02:57.03 | Katai | what do you listen stoned ? |
| 02:57.06 | CHodapp | where can I search for which packages have a particular file? |
| 02:57.13 | stoned | ~search |
| 02:57.15 | apt | rumour has it, search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg apt find <thing> if you're already here. |
| 02:57.15 | abrotman | badgers: search |
| 02:57.15 | badgers | hmm... search is try 'apt-cache search <regex>', if you want to know what package owns a file use dpkg -S /bin/foo. To find a package based on what files it includes use 'apt-get install apt-file;apt-file update;apt-file search foo'. Use http://packages.debian.org if you're not on a debian system. /msg <bot> find <thing> if you're already here. /msg <bot> ... |
| 02:57.16 | dvs | CHodapp: apt-cache search |
| 02:57.23 | abrotman | dvs: apt-file search ... |
| 02:57.27 | Katai | apt-file |
| 02:58.15 | Alan | what the... |
| 02:58.18 | stoned | Katai, I don't listen to people crying about their lives while making millions of dollars. Its stupid bullshit |
| 02:58.26 | Alan | wow, what are people smoking when they come up with dependancies? |
| 02:58.39 | Alan | why does a webserver need X on it ? |
| 02:58.46 | stoned | Alan, I ask the same questions in ubuntu |
| 02:58.47 | Alan | just so it can have php5-gd ? |
| 02:58.50 | abrotman | yeah .. independent libraries suck .. everything should be static |
| 02:58.54 | abrotman | Alan: it doesn't |
| 02:59.10 | CHodapp | Ok. Why does qglobal.h include qconfig.h and qmodule.h when I cannot find those files in any Qt packages? |
| 02:59.25 | Alan | Setting up xfree86-common (4.3.0.dfsg.1-14sarge1) ... |
| 02:59.25 | abrotman | CHodapp: which version of debian ? |
| 02:59.29 | Alan | abrotman, ^^ |
| 02:59.30 | CHodapp | testing |
| 02:59.32 | abrotman | Alan: there's nothing really in there |
| 02:59.39 | Alan | hmm? |
| 02:59.40 | Katai | libqt3-headers: usr/include/qt3/qglobal.h |
| 02:59.46 | Alan | hmmm.. |
| 02:59.47 | Katai | libqt4-dev: usr/include/qt4/Qt/qglobal.h |
| 02:59.50 | CHodapp | why didn't apt-cache search find them? |
| 02:59.53 | Katai | libqt4-dev: usr/include/qt4/QtCore/qglobal.h |
| 02:59.56 | CHodapp | Katai, needs to be Qt3 |
| 03:00.03 | Katai | the first |
| 03:00.03 | stoned | CHodapp, you can't read, thats why |
| 03:00.05 | abrotman | Alan: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?searchmode=filelist&word=xfree86-common&version=stable&arch=all |
| 03:00.23 | Katai | I used apt-file search |
| 03:00.37 | CHodapp | <dvs> CHodapp: apt-cache search |
| 03:00.39 | Alan | isee |
| 03:00.42 | Alan | fair enough |
| 03:00.59 | CHodapp | but I guess I can't read... |
| 03:01.15 | abrotman | CHodapp: can you read this? |
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| 03:01.37 | CHodapp | Is it apt-cache or apt-file? |
| 03:01.46 | abrotman | apt-file search qmodule.h |
| 03:01.51 | abrotman | don't forget to run apt-file update first |
| 03:02.06 | CHodapp | Hm, I don't have apt-file installed |
| 03:02.11 | abrotman | so install it |
| 03:02.22 | stoned | abrotman, you have more patience than I |
| 03:02.26 | stoned | sometimes |
| 03:02.30 | CHodapp | stoned, you can go fuck yourself. |
| 03:02.36 | abrotman | stoned: for what? |
| 03:02.42 | abrotman | CHodapp: easy killer :) |
| 03:02.48 | stoned | abrotman, dealing with morons |
| 03:02.59 | CHodapp | stoned, why am I a moron? |
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| 03:03.31 | NerveBand | hello |
| 03:03.36 | abrotman | apt-get install apt-file && apt-file update && apt-file search qmodule.h |
| 03:03.38 | NerveBand | i need some help regarding kernel sources |
| 03:03.48 | CHodapp | thanks, abrotman |
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| 03:03.51 | stoned | I didn't much like the Dune movie, the new one, I like the old one, with Patrick Steward and Kyle something or other kicked ass |
| 03:04.00 | NerveBand | ii am using apt-get install to get the latest kernel for debian sarge |
| 03:04.07 | NerveBand | and now i can't find the kernel sources |
| 03:04.13 | NerveBand | in /usr/src |
| 03:04.18 | NerveBand | can someone help me? |
| 03:04.23 | abrotman | NerveBand: apt-cache search kernel-source .. install the one that matches your kernel |
| 03:04.33 | unix_infidel | with vmware server is it possible to run a virtual machine locally, detach it to another computer on a lan, reboot and reattach to the client in another OS? |
| 03:04.44 | abrotman | unix_infidel: ask #vmware |
| 03:05.01 | NerveBand | thanks abrotman |
| 03:05.05 | stoned | hi, I run debian. Can you teach me how to cook? |
| 03:05.14 | abrotman | badgers: fish |
| 03:05.15 | badgers | from memory, fish is FISHFISHFISH! DO THE FISH DANCE! "Give a man a fish and you'll feed him a day. Teach him how to fish and he'll feed himself for the rest of his life." This is so appropriate, instead of asking us to tell you exactly what to do, why not read some docs, then come back and ask specific questions which aren't covered?, or ... |
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| 03:06.37 | CHodapp | Ok. So it appears libqt3-dev isn't in testing and that's why I didn't see it listed... |
| 03:06.46 | abrotman | it's not? |
| 03:06.58 | abrotman | ok .. well then |
| 03:07.19 | abrotman | libqt3-mt-dev |
| 03:07.30 | abrotman | or libqt3-headers ? |
| 03:07.42 | abrotman | !find qmodule.h etch |
| 03:07.50 | abrotman | fuck |
| 03:07.54 | Katai | CHodapp: I have it in testing |
| 03:07.55 | abrotman | badgers: find qmodule.h etch |
| 03:07.59 | Katai | libqt3-headers is the package |
| 03:08.03 | badgers | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'qmodule.h' returned no results. |
| 03:09.59 | Jenkens | brb |
| 03:10.06 | stoned | dpkg hi |
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| 03:10.17 | abrotman | still dead |
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| 03:10.20 | CHodapp | "Some of the packages could not be retrieved from the server(s). (‘Failed to open file. ’)" |
| 03:10.38 | CHodapp | grrrr |
| 03:11.01 | Jenkens | fark |
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| 03:13.56 | NerveBand | may i ask something |
| 03:14.10 | NerveBand | can debian sarge update itself to the latest alsa modules and how can i do this? |
| 03:14.11 | pagey | ok |
| 03:14.30 | Sonny | Hi can you tell me what packages do I need to execute "make menuconfig" while compiling kernel? |
| 03:14.47 | Alan | night all |
| 03:14.52 | NerveBand | Sonny: none |
| 03:14.54 | pagey | NerveBand: through synaptic |
| 03:14.58 | NerveBand | just cd into the directory |
| 03:15.00 | amphi | Sonny: you're probably missing the ncurses dev package |
| 03:15.08 | NerveBand | oh, nvm |
| 03:15.12 | help | amphi, thanks let me check |
| 03:16.05 | NerveBand | but sarge reports 1.0.4 as the latest when 1.0.11 is the latest |
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| 03:16.52 | NerveBand | .. |
| 03:16.57 | NerveBand | maybe i should get testing |
| 03:16.59 | NerveBand | or even unstable |
| 03:17.01 | NerveBand | damn sarge |
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| 03:17.20 | dazjorz | dpkg X11RC7? |
| 03:17.30 | dazjorz | !x11rc7 |
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| 03:18.23 | NerveBand | hello? |
| 03:18.33 | Katai | hi |
| 03:18.33 | NerveBand | lol |
| 03:19.08 | NerveBand | okay um, how come when i updated alsa via the source packages ont he website, it didn't update debian to the latest version, instead that retained and blocked out my alsa download, even though my alsa installed perfectly |
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| 03:19.47 | CHodapp | damn this Qt nonsense! |
| 03:20.08 | amphi | heh |
| 03:20.35 | Katai | NerveBand: did you make and .deb package from de sources that you downloaded ? |
| 03:21.01 | NerveBand | repeat that again? |
| 03:21.03 | NerveBand | sry |
| 03:21.19 | Katai | start again :P |
| 03:21.25 | Katai | what do you need to do ? |
| 03:21.52 | NerveBand | allright |
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| 03:22.00 | NerveBand | i am trying to get my freaking soundcard to work |
| 03:22.07 | NerveBand | and i have been trying for 2 days now |
| 03:22.12 | NerveBand | OMFG! |
| 03:22.12 | NerveBand | comeone |
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| 03:22.18 | NerveBand | you disconnected on me? NOOOO! |
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| 03:22.48 | dazjorz | come one ;) |
| 03:22.50 | Jenkens | gah i was going to put my irssi session into screen but it seems my backspace doesn't work in screen |
| 03:22.52 | dazjorz | srry |
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| 03:23.01 | Jenkens | yet ctrl-h does |
| 03:23.06 | NerveBand | yay |
| 03:23.07 | Katai | fucking konversation |
| 03:23.08 | NerveBand | your back |
| 03:23.11 | NerveBand | lol |
| 03:23.13 | NerveBand | i use opera irc |
| 03:23.17 | Katai | it crash :S |
| 03:23.27 | NerveBand | thank god for opera simplicity |
| 03:23.28 | NerveBand | anyays |
| 03:24.00 | NerveBand | now, i was in #alsa and they told me to try and upgrade to at least version 1.0.10 because i have 1.0.4 due to debian |
| 03:24.13 | NerveBand | now i need to upgrade this but apt-get provides me OLD PACKAGES |
| 03:24.19 | NerveBand | now how can I circumvent this |
| 03:24.21 | Katai | are you in sarge ? |
| 03:24.28 | NerveBand | yes |
| 03:24.36 | Tomze | NerveBand: did you try alsaconf ? |
| 03:24.45 | Katai | try to use testing if you use that pc for desktop |
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| 03:25.10 | NerveBand | no i didnt |
| 03:25.11 | NerveBand | let me try |
| 03:25.29 | Tomze | NerveBand: as root... should do the trick |
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| 03:25.36 | NerveBand | i'll try |
| 03:25.45 | NerveBand | i will pray to god for your happiness if this works |
| 03:25.55 | Tomze | thanks :) |
| 03:26.08 | NerveBand | i mean to give you happiness but you get the point |
| 03:26.10 | NerveBand | ^_^ |
| 03:26.22 | c|int | I got a question. since ubuntu adds the support in the kernel, for my ACer ASpire wireless, broadcom.. would I be able to put that into debian? |
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| 03:26.52 | c|int | also, I need acpi, and xorg, which I"m mad, because testing/unstable offers, that. :( |
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| 03:29.25 | stephans | how do you tell if a service is running in debian? |
| 03:29.51 | enouf | c|int : wtf ?? and now I'm drunk...so clrify as best tiy can |
| 03:30.03 | stephans | tried /etc/init.d/dovecot status |
| 03:30.04 | Katai | xD |
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| 03:30.18 | stephans | nothing |
| 03:31.57 | NerveBand | nope |
| 03:31.58 | NerveBand | nothing |
| 03:31.59 | NerveBand | argh! |
| 03:32.02 | enouf | c|int : see http://pastebin.ca/106892 for kernel boot 'acpi=force' option |
| 03:32.17 | NerveBand | FUCK! |
| 03:32.22 | NerveBand | come on |
| 03:32.24 | NerveBand | something needs to work |
| 03:32.33 | NerveBand | damn, cant my 14 year old mind get something to fucking work! |
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| 03:32.42 | NerveBand | debian:/usr/src/alsa# alsamixer |
| 03:32.42 | NerveBand | alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such device |
| 03:32.46 | NerveBand | damn that gay message |
| 03:32.47 | NerveBand | argh |
| 03:34.13 | NerveBand | im tired of using my xbox's xebian to play my music |
| 03:34.18 | NerveBand | god damn it!... |
| 03:34.23 | NerveBand | alsaconf didn't do it for me |
| 03:34.29 | NerveBand | compiling it bymyself didnt do it for me |
| 03:34.34 | NerveBand | so what can I do! |
| 03:34.34 | NerveBand | ARGH |
| 03:34.42 | c|int | oh heya enouf, I was just getting some advice on things. so YOu watn me to dump ubuntu completely, I can do that man, if I can input the right support for debian, tow ork with my hardware how I want.. display, wireless,and acpi , just like I have in ubuntu :) |
| 03:34.44 | Katai | NerveBand: use testing, sarge is better for server, but not for desktop |
| 03:34.49 | enouf | Ola! TERminal Type File sysstem Fucker/Checker |
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| 03:35.32 | NerveBand | testing? |
| 03:35.36 | NerveBand | or should i just use unstable |
| 03:35.45 | enouf | c|int : sup ? |
| 03:35.46 | NerveBand | becuase it seems to have new versions of everything! |
| 03:36.43 | c|int | how can I purge KDE from installing enouf |
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| 03:37.07 | c|int | its just going to take me alot of hacking , and reading.. :( |
| 03:38.14 | enouf | c|int : What you mean ?? --to purge kde , you apt-get- --purge remove kdebase kde (and prolly some others) |
| 03:38.18 | c|int | well, the first thing, will to be able to install the xorg, and I guess I can do that from backports.. and which you had showed me.. and also acpi.. so I"ll add that. do I want to add that at boot right? oh yes, and I forgot. don't install desktop.. just do like.. apt-get install gnome or gnome-core or gnome-desktop-evironment |
| 03:38.20 | c|int | oops forgot |
| 03:38.35 | c|int | brb |
| 03:38.48 | NerveBand | thats it |
| 03:38.59 | NerveBand | i am downloading testing and gonna have a blast |
| 03:39.03 | NerveBand | if that doesnt work, unstable |
| 03:39.13 | NerveBand | if that doesnt work, im gonna move on to suse |
| 03:39.14 | NerveBand | i swear |
| 03:39.18 | c|int | what I'm going do is. just get the minimal install cd, for sarge, stable, which 1 woudl i watn to get all, plz direct me to dl.. and I"ll just start reading all kidns of dang books |
| 03:39.19 | NerveBand | and i really hate suse |
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| 03:39.41 | c|int | eh.. on the blast part. eh.. ya might think that , like I did.. :-) |
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| 03:40.07 | enouf | c|int : yeah --choose nothing during the install and base-config + essential only will be installed IF you chose Custom/Manual/Expert install |
| 03:40.30 | c|int | k... can you direct me to a stable sarge.. image.. |
| 03:40.34 | c|int | netinstall. etc |
| 03:41.07 | enouf | c|int : Not really I used the CD01 of 14 when I installed |
| 03:42.01 | c|int | okay, let me find |
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| 03:42.32 | c|int | enouf: , question I got.. will I be able to see the hardware supported like it is in ubuntu, when I do a lscpi, and I see its all right, and what will I have to do, in debian , to do that.. |
| 03:42.55 | c|int | you see what I'm saying :) |
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| 03:47.05 | enouf | c|int : this is what I got on SID/unstable as far as Xorg is concerned ; http://pastebin.ca/107775 |
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| 03:48.08 | c|int | thanks enouf.. taking a look |
| 03:48.39 | c|int | nice.. okay I"m ready to work, since you been offering so much help and support to me bud, :) |
| 03:48.46 | enouf | c|int : apt-get install pciutils dmidecode hwinfo |
| 03:48.56 | c|int | I just hope I can hack that wireless issue, and add the firmware support... |
| 03:49.01 | Humanoid | Is the evdev driver still supported in xorg? There is no man page anymore, layout switching isn't working, VT switching isn't working, ctrl-alt-backspace isn't working.... |
| 03:49.32 | c|int | k, doing that and looking for the cd |
| 03:49.36 | enouf | c|int : Do you like Xpoop ?+ |
| 03:49.58 | c|int | what the heck is that |
| 03:50.18 | Thanatermesis | what is the next name for testing ? |
| 03:50.22 | enouf | c|int : XP |
| 03:50.25 | cat | lol |
| 03:50.35 | cat | funking keyboard |
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| 03:52.17 | Vasistha | %lol |
| 03:52.18 | badgers | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 03:52.39 | Jenkens | how can i get backspace to work in screen? ^H works, but not ^? (which is what backspace is bound to in debian?) |
| 03:52.42 | c|int | I manage it for people, and redo there systems, and secure it the best way I can.. and know how too, and I run it on vmware, |
| 03:52.45 | enouf | badgers: shut up! |
| 03:52.45 | badgers | get lost, jerkoff |
| 03:52.51 | Vasistha | Thanatermesis: do you mean, 'etch'? |
| 03:52.52 | Jenkens | i've been googling it,but none of the supplied answers seem to fit |
| 03:53.03 | Thanatermesis | Vasistha, yes |
| 03:53.06 | c|int | and enouf |
| 03:53.19 | c|int | will I be able to.. upgrade gnome, with having.. debian 3.1 |
| 03:53.28 | Vasistha | Thanatermesis: ...you're welcome? :-) |
| 03:53.42 | enouf | badgers: you wanna suck my what ? |
| 03:53.42 | badgers | enouf: wish i knew |
| 03:53.45 | Vasistha | Jenkens: hmm, it works fine for me. you're on a sparc or something, right? |
| 03:54.03 | Vasistha | c|int: upgrade to what? there's always backports |
| 03:54.05 | Jenkens | vasistha: yes, but i'm also ssh'd in via putty. so perhaps that's the issue |
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| 03:54.25 | c|int | nice |
| 03:54.36 | c|int | oki.. lookin for cd :) |
| 03:54.37 | enouf | badgers: 9 and 1/2 |
| 03:54.38 | badgers | i haven't a clue, enouf |
| 03:55.36 | enouf | c|int : do you like XPoop >>>??? |
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| 03:56.26 | Vasistha | Jenkens: it may very well be. In fact, you may even be able to resolve it in putty settings, but I have no experience with putty (and only a tiny bit of experience with screen ... but I know backspace works with me over ssh) |
| 03:56.52 | Thanatermesis | potato, woody, sarge, etch... what's the next ? |
| 03:57.07 | Jenkens | ls |
| 03:57.13 | keram | hey |
| 03:57.31 | keram | how do i get the java run time environment installed and able to be working with firefox?? |
| 03:57.32 | Jenkens | vasistha; googling the problem it seems there's quite a bit of chatter over it |
| 03:57.34 | keram | on etch |
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| 03:58.24 | Vasistha | keram: if you search d.p.o for java, you'll see there are several packages. Also, you can ask the bots about it |
| 03:58.29 | Vasistha | %java |
| 03:58.30 | badgers | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 03:58.54 | Vasistha | keram: /msg badgers install java |
| 04:01.21 | keram | i installed free-java-sdk and its still not working with firefox |
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| 04:04.17 | cafuego | keram: Well, you don't want the sdk for that, you want the jre and the plugin, really. |
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| 04:05.23 | MustangMatt | I've got postfix running on a mysql backend for a domain and I added another domain and users for that domain but postfix is saying the users don't exist. The logs aren't very revealing to what the actual problem is. Any ideas? |
| 04:05.30 | keram | how do i get the plugin and jre? |
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| 04:06.07 | delewis | keram: grab the Java JRE from Sun's download site. |
| 04:06.34 | keram | there is no debian package? |
| 04:06.54 | Katai | keram: in unstable, and work fine in testing too |
| 04:06.55 | Kevin` | last I checked sun's license was.. unreasonable |
| 04:06.59 | delewis | official one? no, as the JRE is considered non-free. |
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| 04:07.32 | keram | i'm in etch |
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| 04:10.32 | keram | do i want to download the .bin or the .rpm from sun? |
| 04:10.52 | keram | or what is the package name to apt-get? |
| 04:11.28 | Katai | sun-java5-jre <- unstable |
| 04:11.32 | kana | keram: sun java is in sid unstable repos |
| 04:11.50 | keram | testing? |
| 04:11.53 | psychonate | otherwise, use make-jpkg |
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| 04:12.36 | Katai | keram: put the unstable repositories and install java, then return to testing |
| 04:12.40 | Katai | it works |
| 04:12.48 | keram | oh ic |
| 04:12.51 | keram | okay |
| 04:13.02 | keram | should i update or upgrade or do any of that with the unstable? |
| 04:13.12 | Katai | no ! don't upgrade ! |
| 04:13.13 | Katai | update |
| 04:13.25 | Katai | apt-get update && apt-get install sun-java5-jre |
| 04:13.32 | Katai | then put the testing repositories again |
| 04:13.42 | Katai | and do apt-get update |
| 04:13.45 | keram | okay |
| 04:14.36 | keram | E: Couldn't find package sun-java5-jre |
| 04:14.49 | Katai | did you do apt-get update ? |
| 04:15.14 | Katai | sun-java5-jre - Sun Java(TM) Runtime Environment (JRE) 5.0 |
| 04:15.20 | keram | yeah i did |
| 04:15.36 | keram | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 04:15.37 | keram | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main |
| 04:15.52 | Katai | put contrib non-free xD |
| 04:15.57 | kana | kern_malloc: ir is in the non-free section of the repos |
| 04:16.02 | keram | sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get install sun-java5-jre |
| 04:16.04 | kana | sorry keram |
| 04:16.11 | keram | huh so what do i do? |
| 04:16.26 | Katai | keram: deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free <-- that line |
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| 04:17.21 | Kevin` | is there a way to automatically have iptables forward all traffic from a specific host to somewhere else if they do something.. interesting? (entirely within iptables) |
| 04:17.46 | keram | http://rafb.net/paste/results/h7pZVt58.html |
| 04:17.51 | keram | errors |
| 04:18.04 | Kevin` | interesting = try to crack ssh passwords, connect to a samba share, etc |
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| 04:18.57 | Katai | keram: put: deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ unstable main contrib non-free |
| 04:20.00 | keram | oh no its working |
| 04:20.04 | keram | i just had to update again |
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| 04:21.39 | keram | okay its installed |
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| 04:22.20 | enouf | KKKKkkkkKkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkKKKKKKKKKKKkkkkKkkkkk -- who the fuck is K Kkkk KKKkkkKk kkkKKk. ......aye Karamba !! |
| 04:22.33 | Guerin | keram: the difficulty lies in defining interesting |
| 04:22.55 | Guerin | there are specific packages which can respond to attempted guessing ssh passwords, etc. |
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| 04:23.01 | unix_infidel | what's the default runlevel for apache2 |
| 04:23.02 | unix_infidel | ?? |
| 04:23.11 | Kevin` | Guerin examples? |
| 04:23.11 | keram | Kevin` you mean Guerin |
| 04:23.15 | Guerin | unix_infidel: question makes no sense. |
| 04:23.23 | Guerin | keram: sorry. |
| 04:23.24 | Vasistha | Kevin`: I'd imagine you'd have to write a pretty specific and intricate script to catch that stuff and send it along ... sounds tricky |
| 04:23.29 | Guerin | keram: fail2ban is one. |
| 04:23.34 | unix_infidel | Guerin: what's the default initlevel at which apache is started. |
| 04:23.54 | Vasistha | unix_infidel: I think it actually goes in all of them -- 2,3,4,5 (well, not 1, of course) |
| 04:23.59 | unix_infidel | Vasistha: ok. |
| 04:23.59 | Guerin | you could certainly use something like fail2ban as a starting poiintt |
| 04:24.01 | Guerin | unix_infidel: debian uses runlevel 2 for everything by default |
| 04:24.12 | Vasistha | unix_infidel: I took it out of my default (2) and only run it when I need it. That is not a solution for a server. |
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| 04:24.29 | Guerin | keram: sorry again, i suck |
| 04:24.54 | Kevin` | Vasistha well it doesn't have to work absolutely perfectly for the first connection (although that would be easy perhaps with connection/syn instead of watching the data) |
| 04:25.28 | keram | okay now how do i get it working with firefox? |
| 04:26.25 | Vasistha | Kevin`: thing is, how do you detect a breakin from a valid connection?? I mean, that's always the problem. Sometimes it even gets into the realm of what might be called AI |
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| 04:26.49 | keram | Katai? |
| 04:27.18 | Kevin` | Vasistha valid users shouldn't be connecting to certain unused but strangely present services, like telnet, web proxy, windows filesharing, etc |
| 04:27.28 | c|int | do you guys think, Debian 4 might be released alot sooner, than December? |
| 04:27.46 | Vasistha | Kevin`: if valid users shouldn't connect to them, why are they present? |
| 04:27.54 | zinx | etch will be released years from now, if history is any measure |
| 04:27.58 | zinx | many many years. |
| 04:28.01 | Guerin | c|int: no. |
| 04:28.11 | Kevin` | so that when someone connects to them they go to the other system instead, where they are allowed in |
| 04:28.12 | Vasistha | c|int: what are you talking about "debian 4"? Do you mean "etch"? etch will be released "when it's ready". no sooner, no later. |
| 04:28.26 | Kevin` | and all further connections of any type go to that system, from them |
| 04:28.37 | Kevin` | because they are unwanted :) |
| 04:28.45 | Vasistha | Kevin`: you mean like a honey pot? |
| 04:28.48 | Kevin` | yes |
| 04:28.57 | Katai | keram: sun-java5-plugin - The Java(TM) Plug-in, Java SE 5.0 |
| 04:29.07 | Katai | I think you need that too |
| 04:29.27 | Vasistha | Kevin`: thing is, a lot of the malicious people out there have scads of slave windows machines connecting from all over the place |
| 04:29.44 | Guerin | ok |
| 04:29.49 | Kevin` | well I don't care about slave windows machines connecting to me either ;) |
| 04:29.58 | Guerin | honeypots are not the sort of thing you should be setting up if you have to ask for advice on #debian |
| 04:30.11 | Guerin | i'm lazy, so I just run my sshd on 2222 |
| 04:30.17 | Kevin` | I thought I was in a different channel, actually, but |
| 04:30.26 | c|int | yes, thats what the codename will be for 4.. I already tested, testing/unstable etch. however.. I just need some issues, with xorg.. acpi support. and wireless, which I'm workign with enouf, on that, thanks :) |
| 04:30.33 | Vasistha | Kevin`: ...and a lot of those people are not on static ips |
| 04:30.35 | delewis | I just don't bothe, because its pointless. |
| 04:30.46 | delewis | security by obscurity isn't a good practice. |
| 04:30.54 | Kevin` | Vasistha some kind of timeout is clearly warrented |
| 04:30.58 | delewis | if you want ssh security, disable PasswordAuthentication. |
| 04:31.11 | Guerin | sure, it's no more secure, since the random passwords aren't going to ever break my unbreakable root and user passwords |
| 04:31.21 | Guerin | but it does stop my logs from filling up with failed attempts |
| 04:31.21 | Vasistha | Kevin`: well ... good luck with it, anyway. This is not the channel, and I am not the person to ask :P |
| 04:31.30 | Kevin` | heh |
| 04:31.33 | Kevin` | thanks |
| 04:31.37 | Guerin | delewis: overkill |
| 04:31.48 | c|int | okay.. hey enouf, debian 3.1 sarge should do. I have the binary, just found it.. |
| 04:31.53 | Guerin | delewis: passwords in the hands of sane users, whe n only used on trusted machines, are secure. |
| 04:32.12 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:32.19 | delewis | Guerin: that's not the point |
| 04:32.26 | enouf | hey stoned! wanna discuss Zeroconf you fscken b0z0? |
| 04:32.28 | Guerin | what is, then? |
| 04:32.36 | delewis | disabling PasswordAuthentication removes *any* chance of a user ever cracking a password. |
| 04:32.41 | Kevin` | using keys is hardly overkill.. any valid user can use one |
| 04:32.42 | enouf | Okay thats a nice !! |
| 04:32.52 | delewis | the only sane way to login is with a key. |
| 04:32.53 | c|int | I'm going do a custom install, on everthing.. get that acpi=force , linux26, and some other things, and do whatever I have to do. to show myself I can do it, even though I Help others.. constantly with Microsoft. they sure are considering switchign, and what I will probably do for the IT's and friends. is do a custom debian , and then clone my install, after tweaking, and vmware up and running |
| 04:32.56 | delewis | s/sane/valid/ |
| 04:32.57 | Guerin | also disables your chances of logging in if you happen to be without your keys, or similar |
| 04:33.10 | delewis | Guerin: then you just make sure you're never without your keys :-0 |
| 04:33.13 | Guerin | delewis: that's patently untrue. |
| 04:33.33 | Guerin | delewis: yeah, because you can prevent yourself being robbed/your usbkey failing/locking your shit in your car/etc. |
| 04:33.42 | c|int | hey all, I was wondering.. just because ubuntu, has the kernel support modules for my broadcom, that doesn't mean I can't put it in debian right, also I was reading about ian murdock, his profile, thats pretty cool, he pretty cool guy |
| 04:33.44 | Kevin` | delewis that's the only unfortunate part.. you can't do anything from publicish places |
| 04:34.03 | Kevin` | not that you should anyway, I suppose |
| 04:34.04 | Guerin | i allow password or opie logins to mine |
| 04:34.08 | delewis | even if someone does steal your ssh key, they still have to have a password to use it. |
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| 04:34.32 | Dewi | delewis: yeah, but it doesn't stop somebody from picking the unencrypted key out of RAM or on an intermediate server, or off the disk |
| 04:34.41 | d4t2ilL4 | has anyone here successfully build kernel 2.6.17 for sarge? |
| 04:34.44 | Guerin | delewis: yes, i'm not talking about that - though if they DO manage to log your password and have your key, you're fucked |
| 04:34.57 | Guerin | which is why opie is the only way to go from untrusted machines |
| 04:35.08 | c|int | hey Guerin, I didn't like how.. when its so easy if you got your ubuntu desktop running, someone that knows what there doing. can do alot of harm, they can just go up to it. and open a terminal, and type.. sudo su - " and there automatically in a root shell |
| 04:35.09 | Kevin` | Dewi it's never unencrypted on an intermediate server |
| 04:35.09 | Dewi | or yeah, just logging the keystrokes when you decrypt your key |
| 04:35.25 | Dewi | Kevin`: if you use agent forwarding there are pipes to it |
| 04:35.27 | Guerin | c|int: so don't use ubuntu. |
| 04:35.36 | c|int | although, sudo could be removed.. :) |
| 04:35.48 | Kevin` | Dewi pipes to the agent.. you can ask it to do auth |
| 04:35.52 | Guerin | which would cripple ubuntu to the point of unusability |
| 04:35.52 | Kevin` | you can't ask for the key |
| 04:36.02 | c|int | yep |
| 04:36.07 | c|int | they need to take care of that Guerin |
| 04:36.14 | Dewi | c|int: doesn't it normally ask for your password too? |
| 04:36.23 | Vasistha | sudo apt-get remove sudo ??? hehe, yeah, that would be pretty bad for an ubuntu system |
| 04:36.24 | Guerin | c|int: not really. For their purposes, it's 'good enough' |
| 04:36.28 | c|int | heya btw, I'm getting ready to put debian back on.. goign to go back to 3.1 sarge for now |
| 04:36.32 | c|int | nope |
| 04:36.37 | Guerin | if you use ubuntu for anything which requires real data security, you should be fired |
| 04:36.41 | Dewi | c|int: there's nothing to stop you creating an uibuntu user with no sudo access |
| 04:37.12 | c|int | Dewi: , once running in X, etc.. you can just open a terminal ,and type " sudo su -" and you'll automaticall switch over to root user.. etcd.. root@ubuntu:~# |
| 04:37.14 | Dewi | Kevin`: aah. Okay. |
| 04:37.18 | Guerin | in any case, if you have pysical access to most any machine, it can be 100% yours in 60 seconds of solitude |
| 04:37.30 | c|int | Dewi: , I'm talking for the average user****** |
| 04:37.40 | Kevin` | Guerin just take the machine :) |
| 04:37.44 | Dewi | c|int: I always got asked for my password quite regularly |
| 04:37.50 | Guerin | Kevin`: well, that arouses suspicion |
| 04:37.57 | Dewi | c|int: and if you want sudo to cache it less, change the sudo options to cache less |
| 04:37.58 | Vasistha | Guerin: the machine, or the data on it? I'm thinking here about encrypted partitions |
| 04:38.08 | Guerin | but if you ask someone to get you a coffee and then boot into init=/bin/sh, you own them |
| 04:38.16 | delewis | boot some sort of media, mount the filesystem is /etc is on, and zero out the root password. |
| 04:38.23 | Vasistha | ...password bios comes to mind, as well, although that's nothing a removal of the cmos battery shouldn't fix |
| 04:38.23 | Guerin | Vasistha: that's still a valid point |
| 04:38.23 | c|int | i swear |
| 04:38.41 | Kevin` | Vasistha modern bios uses flash |
| 04:38.42 | c|int | I"m talking for all other users.. Dewi. setting up ubuntu, thats a fault on ubuntu's part.. |
| 04:38.55 | Vasistha | Kevin`: for passwords too? that's awfully good |
| 04:38.59 | Kevin` | although it's still possible to reset, of course |
| 04:39.01 | c|int | and so much more I could discuss, but will save everyone from the headaches, and myself :) |
| 04:39.05 | Kevin` | jumper or similar |
| 04:39.24 | Dewi | c|int: sudo is favoured by many many people |
| 04:39.26 | c|int | <--- , in Information tEchnology/ Information Systems, (Anylist) etc |
| 04:39.26 | Kevin` | Vasistha probably easier to take the hard drive at that point :) |
| 04:39.32 | Guerin | b&m is still the only real security for workstations |
| 04:39.36 | Dewi | c|int: including most ultra paranoid people I know, like openbsd devs |
| 04:39.36 | c|int | yes Dewi, quite aware :) |
| 04:39.54 | c|int | maybe you can help me with my debian system, gettin ready to install on my acer Aspire 3610 |
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| 04:40.06 | Dewi | c|int: sudo is far preferable to people running s root, which is what tended to happen when there was no sudo |
| 04:40.30 | c|int | enouf is trying his best. its just a matter of hardware support.. acpi, wireless, and display correct resolution and 3d accelearation, I mean, if you don't mind :) |
| 04:40.31 | Guerin | hm, i'm tossing up whether to install obsd or sarge on my 486 |
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| 04:40.52 | c|int | hey Guerin, also if your still up to it .. :) |
| 04:41.08 | Guerin | c|int: my still? i don't have a still... |
| 04:41.20 | Guerin | i have a job trial tomorrow though |
| 04:41.22 | c|int | :( |
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| 04:42.05 | Dewi | Guerin: my job is a trial every day |
| 04:42.15 | Guerin | heh |
| 04:42.15 | Guerin | well |
| 04:42.30 | Guerin | it must be nice being a lawyer |
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| 04:42.35 | metrix | I am trying to figure out why I can't connect to ruby::drb on a port from a foreign machine. When I start a drb program and connect local to my box it works fine, but if I try to telnet to the port from my windows machine I get a "connection refused". if I do netcat -l 88585 -p THAT works fine.. does anyone have any ideas? |
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| 04:44.15 | Guerin | metrix: so netcat works and telnet doesn't, from the same machine? |
| 04:44.36 | Guerin | the same external machine, i mean |
| 04:44.38 | Dewi | Guerin: nah, if I was a lawyer I'd be paid better than this |
| 04:44.40 | Kevin` | c|int recommend you learn about gnu/linux in general, more then just debian |
| 04:44.45 | Guerin | not from the machine on which the daemon is listening |
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| 04:45.08 | Guerin | Dewi: you'd get to smoke cigars and drink malt whisky on the roof of your office block, too |
| 04:45.14 | Guerin | if you believe Boston Legal |
| 04:45.30 | c|int | Kevin`: , I will, |
| 04:45.45 | Dewi | Guerin: I've been thinking I could get awawy with a hip flask with whiskey |
| 04:46.01 | Guerin | sure |
| 04:46.03 | shawnr_ | [sarge 3.1] my sources.list is empty. which repositories do i need to add? |
| 04:46.04 | c|int | been with linux off and on.. .since spring of 2004, I just manage with windows system is al.,. but I did get.. VMware up and running.. in May of this year, was quite a nice birthday gift to myself :) |
| 04:46.09 | Guerin | just eat breath mints, nobody will know |
| 04:46.14 | Guerin | ruins the whisky though |
| 04:46.34 | Guerin | shawnr_: run apt-setup |
| 04:47.39 | shawnr_ | Guerin, thanks |
| 04:47.57 | c|int | hey Guerin, whats a good.. way to start building on gnome, anyways because I want ot upgrade it as wel, should I just intsall, gnome-core, ? |
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| 04:48.10 | c|int | you were gnea right? |
| 04:48.19 | Guerin | wth |
| 04:48.30 | Guerin | no, Gnea is my sworn enemy |
| 04:49.05 | Guerin | the world is fortunate that we are on separate continents, otherwise there'd be more on the news than israel/lebanon |
| 04:49.08 | c|int | so. whats a good gnome I can start out with.. because I'm going upgrade it anyways.. and build into latest.. gnome-core right? |
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| 04:49.22 | JoCat | Ahoy. |
| 04:49.28 | Guerin | there's no such thing as a good gnome |
| 04:49.39 | Guerin | if you want to learn how to use debian, use openbox or something |
| 04:49.43 | c|int | well, I went from using, KDE to gnome.. so you don't know , k I'l ask someone else |
| 04:49.45 | Guerin | or just use console |
| 04:50.07 | c|int | well, I"m building systems. and custom systems, for IT engineers, where I live.. etc.... cough |
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| 04:50.22 | JoCat | When I try to change the file permissions of a mounted ntfs directory as root, I get errors. Why can't I do `chmod 750 /mnt/usb0` as root? |
| 04:50.23 | c|int | if ya do'nt want ot help. on gnome, thats okay. just say |
| 04:50.35 | metrix | guerin: netcat works from a remote or the same machine (I can telnet into netcat) but if I try drb, I can telnet in from the local machine but not from a remote machine... (sorry for the delay) |
| 04:50.37 | c|int | lunitik: , you here? |
| 04:50.45 | Guerin | JoCat: ntfs has no write support and no real permissions support in *n?x |
| 04:50.57 | JoCat | So I have to write to it as root? |
| 04:51.01 | MustangMatt | Anyone know how to change nano's tab stop width? |
| 04:51.01 | Guerin | metrix: that's bizarre. |
| 04:51.08 | MustangMatt | As in from 8 spaces to 4, etc.? |
| 04:51.17 | Guerin | JoCat: no, you can't write to an ntfs partition under linux |
| 04:51.19 | JoCat | Under the assumption I built NTFS support into the kernel. |
| 04:51.24 | Guerin | unless you use captive, or something |
| 04:51.27 | JoCat | *NTFS write support. |
| 04:51.35 | Guerin | ntfs support in the kernel is read-only |
| 04:51.37 | Guerin | oh |
| 04:51.40 | Guerin | no idea then |
| 04:51.41 | metrix | what is captive? if it's something I have to apt-get I doubt it.. |
| 04:51.48 | Guerin | good luck, hope you have your data backed up. |
| 04:51.55 | JoCat | It is. :) |
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| 04:52.25 | c|int | nice.. open box does look interesting. thanks Guerin |
| 04:52.25 | Guerin | metrix: captive is to do with ntfs write support, not your problem |
| 04:52.29 | streuner | Guerin: why do you think whats the reason? |
| 04:53.05 | streuner | Guerin: (all news mention the meddle east conflict) |
| 04:53.06 | JoCat | Also, is there a way to get different wallpapers on each desktop in XFCE? |
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| 04:53.12 | JoCat | Not that it's all that relevant. |
| 04:53.14 | Guerin | streuner: because it's NEWs |
| 04:53.15 | JoCat | But I'm here. |
| 04:53.32 | Guerin | JoCat: you'd probably need to ask xfce geeks that |
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| 04:53.45 | JoCat | :3 I figured I might get lucky in here. |
| 04:53.52 | JoCat | Okay, thanks for your help. |
| 04:56.11 | streuner | Guerin: well, when this happend in africa there isn't that much attention about |
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| 04:56.55 | Guerin | streuner: african affairs don't affect global security as much as middle eastern |
| 04:57.05 | Guerin | but you're right, there is a double standard |
| 04:58.04 | dansushi | i'd like to format some of my partitions. i was wondering if there was a GUI partitioner out there for debian. is there? |
| 04:58.18 | c|int | guys, what I"m going do. is setup.. .. /root as ext3,, /home as ReiserFS... would that be better and stable than xfs? even though I would like it, but I want stability :) |
| 04:58.40 | Guerin | reiserfs is the last thing you should use if you want stability |
| 04:58.52 | Guerin | if you have redundant power, use xfs. if not, use ext3 |
| 04:59.19 | Guerin | i also hear jfs is good, but I know next to nothing baout it |
| 04:59.33 | Dewi | streuner: we are occupying the middle east, and we have provided arms and backup to other countries in the region. We share some responsibility for the mess in the middle east, to a much greater degree than we do in Africa. |
| 04:59.38 | Guerin | Dewi: yeah, gparted or kpartman |
| 05:00.18 | Guerin | Dewi: 1. define 'we' 2. you can't occupy a whole subcontinent by occupying two minor countries in it |
| 05:00.56 | streuner | Dewi: we ship arms too into other countries and we don't give a damn about... |
| 05:01.20 | Guerin | unless Dewi is german, this is a crazy 'we' |
| 05:01.25 | Dewi | Guerin: We is most of the people in this channel - not many of us opposed Bush |
| 05:01.37 | Guerin | Dewi: that's no definition |
| 05:01.54 | Guerin | i'm not trying to start an argument, i just don't want USians speaking for me |
| 05:01.59 | Kevin` | Dewi I assume you did? |
| 05:02.01 | c|int | well yeah, my power is fine.. xfs was nice I have to say :) |
| 05:02.03 | Dewi | I'm not american, Guerin |
| 05:02.15 | Guerin | ok, so thequestion stands: who's we? |
| 05:02.26 | c|int | I'm doing a study on file systems, and really found xfs, to be quite fascinating :) |
| 05:02.30 | streuner | western countries |
| 05:02.35 | Dewi | but the bloc of countries supporting the coalition has a strong alignment with the countries of people in this channel |
| 05:02.42 | Dewi | it's not total, of course |
| 05:02.50 | Guerin | ok, the coalition of the willing. Now I see. |
| 05:02.55 | Dewi | I'm a bit hazy on the stances of quite a few of the european countries represented here |
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| 05:03.31 | streuner | Guerin: no |
| 05:03.35 | c|int | Guerin: , would you recommend xfs for the whole partition structure, .. or ext3 for.. / and /home xfs . or. because I don't want to use lilo |
| 05:03.40 | Dewi | streuner: the religion-in-politics-obsessed part of me wants to say that we care about anything involving Israel because we still consider it our Holy Land and key to our prophesy :P |
| 05:03.45 | cast | i wouldnt be sad if bush got ass...oh wait. i better not say that. |
| 05:03.55 | MustangMatt | Someone school me on /etc/syslog.conf What are the dashes about in front of the logfile paths? |
| 05:04.26 | Guerin | c|int: if you want to use grub, you need at least /boot on ext2/3 |
| 05:04.28 | Kevin` | I think that's either flush.. or not flush |
| 05:04.31 | Vasistha | would y'all please move to #politics ? or #off-topic ? or ... hehe, ##linux , where they talk about politics all the time (which is why I don't hang out there?) |
| 05:04.34 | Kevin` | (the -) |
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| 05:04.43 | Kevin` | man syslog.conf might help :) |
| 05:04.44 | c|int | oh I see. |
| 05:04.52 | Dewi | Guerin: anyway, I had the idea you were british, and I'm australian, which puts us in the groups who supposedly had control over this :P |
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| 05:04.57 | c|int | that way I can have my xfs? |
| 05:05.03 | Guerin | Dewi: heh. I'm from/in NZ |
| 05:05.16 | Dewi | Guerin: Oh, I have no idea where you guys were :D |
| 05:05.18 | Guerin | and we didn't support anything other than the UN |
| 05:05.30 | cast | c|int: same XFS using clint from before? |
| 05:05.37 | c|int | yea |
| 05:05.39 | c|int | heya cast :D |
| 05:06.04 | Dewi | Guerin: well, I definitely shouldn't have said 'we' then :) |
| 05:06.12 | streuner | Guerin: well, in iraq some people don't give a damn about UN at all, in this affair some people speaking about 1559 :-) |
| 05:06.29 | Guerin | streuner: yeah. |
| 05:06.31 | c|int | need super help with something. well, I said da heck with ubuntu for right now, and going make myself think, because I'm alla bout power.. speed. optimization. security, from the start. I just need to get my acpi, working nicely.. wireless. which I did get in ubuntu, but see something not fair, ubuntu include the bcm43xx support in there kernel modules.. |
| 05:06.40 | c|int | so I should be able to put that in.. debian right? |
| 05:06.52 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:07.04 | Guerin | well, if it's in ubuntu, it should be buildable on debian |
| 05:07.10 | c|int | good |
| 05:07.12 | Kevin` | c|int the latest kernel versions (from kernel.org, if not debian) have that driver |
| 05:07.12 | c|int | thats what IT hought |
| 05:07.14 | Guerin | don't ask me how to do it though |
| 05:07.22 | kana | c|int: which kernel you run |
| 05:07.25 | c|int | oh good,s o I can build that in sarge eh |
| 05:07.30 | Guerin | i don't have any wireless yet - though I will soonishly enough |
| 05:07.41 | Kevin` | Guerin be very careful what you buy |
| 05:07.43 | c|int | havn't got it up yet, I"m going do .. a base intsall, and just start adding packages that way |
| 05:07.52 | Kevin` | I recommend an atheros, rt2500, or intel card |
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| 05:08.03 | Kevin` | atheros and intel moreso |
| 05:08.08 | c|int | i"m really going make my IT self, work hard on this.. like i have been watning too. since... last year.. when I decided.. linux deserves my attention too |
| 05:08.10 | Guerin | Kevin`: i alreayd have a laptop with the centrino chipset in, which i understand works. I'll be buying one pci and one pcmcia beastie |
| 05:08.16 | Guerin | oh |
| 05:08.30 | kana | c|int: the 2.6.17 kernel have it in sid i think you can find it in backports |
| 05:08.34 | c|int | well yeah, they work good. broadcom. its a matter of putting firmware into the system |
| 05:08.41 | c|int | oh sweet |
| 05:08.55 | Kevin` | ya, FINALLY broadcom works good, heh |
| 05:09.05 | c|int | so I can just.. upgrade to the latest gnome, and stuff.. and I'l try that open box.. Guerin, thanks,, I'll see how it goes. and then do alot with backports eh |
| 05:09.08 | Guerin | oh, the broadcom is actually implemented in free software? |
| 05:09.08 | streuner | 2.6.16 was in bpo last week |
| 05:09.19 | Kevin` | Guerin yap |
| 05:09.19 | streuner | (the latest kernel) |
| 05:09.24 | Guerin | huzzah! |
| 05:09.28 | Kevin` | works well too, for most things |
| 05:09.31 | Kevin` | just tried it today |
| 05:09.33 | c|int | well Kevin`, it took me some time. took me 10 months... I was off and on with windows as wel, and then back on, but working on so much stuff in between times |
| 05:09.54 | Guerin | i'm on windows now, though |
| 05:09.56 | Kevin` | master mode doesn't yet work properly in the kernel.org driver though |
| 05:10.03 | Guerin | because this freaking laptop has no real modem |
| 05:10.12 | c|int | but I have to say.. debian has the best speed for a linux distro. other than I messed with that live gentoo cd, but I really don't like its lack of support at all, compared to debian.. or any debian linux system ,.. |
| 05:10.16 | Kevin` | you use dialup? |
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| 05:10.31 | nevyn | c|int: debian's speed sucks. |
| 05:10.32 | Guerin | and the 486 i'm setting up as a router is a bastard |
| 05:10.32 | streuner | well, that wasn't clever |
| 05:10.42 | cast | nevyn: really? benchmarks? |
| 05:10.42 | c|int | nah, not with the xfs it doesn't |
| 05:10.45 | Kevin` | c|int gentoo should suppport everything debian does |
| 05:10.47 | kana | Guerin: did you check the scan modem utitlity will tell you where you can get the softmodem dirver |
| 05:11.01 | Guerin | Kevin`: yeah, i'm broke-ass from coming back to NZ unexpectedly with an injury, starting university and going 6 weeks without a job |
| 05:11.04 | cast | nevyn: only benchmarks i've ever seen was gentoo vs mdk vs deb, and deb won :x. those were old however |
| 05:11.09 | Guerin | Kevin`: yeah, it's shite. |
| 05:11.10 | Tallu | Jul 31 03:24:08 localhost sshd[14491]: Illegal user oracle from ::ffff:70.84.212.130 What's this ffff in front of the ip? |
| 05:11.11 | c|int | sorry, just my views.. really and I'm used to debian package management ssystem, and not emerge. and I don't want to get into that subject :) |
| 05:11.15 | Kevin` | kana I assume he doesn't want to pay for what is probably conexant anyway ;) |
| 05:11.22 | Guerin | kana: yeah, it's shite. |
| 05:11.28 | guk | Tallu: you have IPv6 installed :) |
| 05:11.29 | Guerin | it is conexarse |
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| 05:11.41 | c|int | Kevin, I mean I went from using Xandros. and Fedora to using Xandros and seeing the window to debian |
| 05:11.44 | Guerin | broadband is stupid exensive in this country |
| 05:11.44 | guk | Tallu: it won't bug anything just if you get ipv6 your sshd is ready :) |
| 05:11.45 | Kevin` | if linuxant didn't exist we might have an open driver, too |
| 05:11.51 | Kevin` | as it is they just say "go buy this" |
| 05:11.57 | Tallu | guk: hehe ok |
| 05:11.58 | c|int | I run windows inside linux.. via vmware... I"m just trying to sort some things out with debian is all... |
| 05:12.03 | kana | Guerin: ok i installed the free ver mainly for the fax works ok here but never for dialup connect |
| 05:12.11 | Tallu | guk: thanks |
| 05:12.14 | Guerin | if you want anything faster than 256k, you're either limited to low-data caps or you have to pay megabucks |
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| 05:12.45 | Kevin` | what's most important to me really is a stable connection |
| 05:12.51 | Guerin | yeah |
| 05:13.20 | c|int | okay, so if I want to run xfs, without having to use. lilo.. and have it use grub by default, I have to like set up this way.. /boot 100M /swap 1g, /root etc... /home |
| 05:13.31 | Guerin | i'm debating whether 256/128 unlimited is better than 4mbit/2mbit with a 10G monthly cap |
| 05:13.32 | Kevin` | (having 20 or 30 times faster then dialup is nice too :)) |
| 05:14.02 | Guerin | !guerin's internet |
| 05:14.15 | cast | Guerin: i'd go with the 10gb cap. but check if they have free content, like say..a unmetered debian mirror |
| 05:14.16 | ice_1963 | you mean cable :) |
| 05:14.18 | Guerin | badgers: guerin's internet |
| 05:14.18 | badgers | Yes, Guerin has 100 megabit full-dup internet access at home. Yes, it costs him only $30/month. No, no useful ports are blocked and there's no AUP against running servers. No, you can't have a shell on his box. nope, Guerin no longer has fast internet because he's moved back to civilisation. Now he's back on dialup like the rest of the peasants. |
| 05:14.29 | kana | Guerin: here they say of the cap was never implemented though :) |
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| 05:14.49 | c|int | well? |
| 05:15.00 | Guerin | cast: get your water from it |
| 05:15.04 | Guerin | try not to fall down it |
| 05:15.11 | Kevin` | Guerin can I have a shell on your box? |
| 05:15.35 | cast | what? |
| 05:15.41 | Guerin | Kevin`: no, because I don't live there any more |
| 05:16.07 | Guerin | cast: that wasto c|int, but was misdirected through my stupidity |
| 05:16.18 | nevyn | cast: benchmarks can prove anything |
| 05:16.29 | c|int | cast is a good friend of mine :) |
| 05:16.31 | Kevin` | there are lies, and then there are statistics |
| 05:17.03 | Guerin | %aww |
| 05:17.03 | badgers | *snuggles* |
| 05:17.07 | c|int | hey cast.. would ext3 be okay for boot.. |
| 05:17.15 | nevyn | cast: for cpu bound tasks particularly dynamic linking (kde and oo startup times) cpu optimisation helps |
| 05:17.21 | c|int | I'm going setup.. xfs.. so. I don't wnt ot use.. lilo.. and stuff |
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| 05:17.35 | Supaplex | Kevin`: and 27.4792909% are useless right? |
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| 05:17.46 | Kevin` | Supaplex yes, exactly that |
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| 05:17.59 | cast | nevyn: a benchmark is far more reliable than irc conjecture ;) |
| 05:17.59 | Supaplex | @stab XO.net |
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| 05:20.04 | cast | nevyn: i'm sure there are numerious things we can do to improve performance, but we have to put numbers to things so we can put them in perspective. |
| 05:22.21 | Guerin | whenever i think about performance, i reflect on that fact that 90% of computer users never use more than 10% of their computer's power |
| 05:22.48 | sciboy | Hey guys, if i just want to add cron jobs i edit /etc/crontab and /etc/init.d/crond reload right? |
| 05:23.29 | nevyn | Guerin: sure.. but which annoys you the 90% of the time you're reading a webpage.. or the 10% it's loading and rendering it |
| 05:24.44 | nevyn | webpages are a terrible example as they're mostly network bound.. but my point is.. time waiting is the problem that optimisation addresses and time waiting is what annoy's people |
| 05:24.47 | Guerin | heh |
| 05:25.06 | Guerin | i was just going to say - the things most people do all the time don't require any sort of cpu power |
| 05:25.11 | nevyn | sure. |
| 05:25.14 | Guerin | the only one which really does is video |
| 05:25.14 | nevyn | I agree... |
| 05:25.20 | nevyn | but. |
| 05:25.29 | nevyn | when people wait they get annoyed. |
| 05:25.38 | Guerin | yes, they do. |
| 05:25.58 | nevyn | and if we can cut the wait time then that's a good thing |
| 05:26.20 | Guerin | IF you can cut the wait time - which most of the time by opptimising for cpu, you can't. |
| 05:26.34 | nevyn | the whole average out cpu utilisation and optimisation doesn't matter is a red herring |
| 05:26.53 | nevyn | Guerin: if it's cpu bound and not network or io bound you can |
| 05:27.28 | nevyn | Guerin: optimising for cpu is one strategy others like prelink all help |
| 05:27.32 | Guerin | but as I just said, very, VERY few things are. |
| 05:27.33 | cast | nevyn: optimisation is great! but we still have to cut through the crap and work out what specific things will give us +10% in most circumstances, which is great, and the things that might only give use +2% in a few circumstances, and -1% in all others...which is not worth it. |
| 05:27.58 | Guerin | and the amou nt of time spent optimising is usually nowhere near commensurate with the time benefit. |
| 05:28.14 | nevyn | Guerin: the obvious two are crypto and compression |
| 05:28.27 | Guerin | the thing which slow down user experiences most is UI, and UI navigation habits |
| 05:28.37 | nevyn | but there are also serious wins by enabling optimisation of libc |
| 05:28.43 | nevyn | there's things like mmx enabled malloc |
| 05:28.47 | Guerin | like the fact the people often go to msn.com then click hotmail, instead of logging into hotmail directly |
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| 05:29.25 | MustangMatt | Anyone have a more sane logging configuration for debian? I'm not a fan of the default. |
| 05:29.27 | Guerin | or the fact that people type 'badgerfarm' into yahoo instead of going to badgerfarm.com |
| 05:29.35 | Guerin | MustangMatt: define 'more sane' |
| 05:30.29 | cafuego | MustangMatt: dpkg -P syslogd |
| 05:30.34 | MustangMatt | Guerin: I'm not sure, I'm mostly curious what other people are running. I've started splitting stuff out of syslog into their own logfiles such as /var/log/amavis, etc. Still getting a lot of garbage in syslog though. |
| 05:31.29 | MustangMatt | I need to figure out how to get courier out of syslog. That might be acceptable for now. |
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| 05:34.55 | metrix | I am running debian stable (with ruby 1.8.2) and found that I really need to be running ruby (1.8.4) I found 1.8.4 in testing.. what is the safest way to upgrade to 1.8.4? |
| 05:35.31 | MustangMatt | maybe backports.org or dotdeb.org? |
| 05:35.31 | jnguy | metrix: Do you want to do a dist upgrade? or just ruby? |
| 05:36.18 | metrix | I would prefer just ruby.. unless I'm apt (haha) to have less problems going with a dist-upgrade |
| 05:36.37 | jnguy | hm. |
| 05:36.37 | MustangMatt | What's the ruby package name? Just ruby? |
| 05:36.45 | metrix | ruby1.8 |
| 05:36.50 | jnguy | Yeah. Do you need gems, etc. |
| 05:37.30 | MustangMatt | http://schwuk.com/articles/2006/06/08/running-typo-svn-on-debian-stable-sarge |
| 05:37.44 | MustangMatt | That's a step by step guide |
| 05:37.46 | metrix | I just need the interpreter really, I'm not sure if gems is installed now (i've never used it) |
| 05:38.55 | MustangMatt | So just add a line to /etc/apt/sources.list and walah! Grab Ruby 1.8.4 |
| 05:39.10 | jnguy | just quickly glancing at the repository, it looks like many dependencies. |
| 05:39.13 | jnguy | yeah. |
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| 05:40.19 | metrix | ok cool. will do. thanks for the help |
| 05:41.45 | c|int | heya cafuego |
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| 05:42.32 | MustangMatt | Goodnight all |
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| 05:51.32 | poonj | hey guys...is there a program that can cleanout all unused libraries? |
| 05:51.49 | Katai | poonj: deborphan |
| 05:51.57 | poonj | oh okay |
| 05:52.42 | kana | poonj: you can also use synaptic to list unused packages to see if you really want them or not |
| 05:52.44 | cast | poonj: using aptitude instald of apt-get helps solve that problem, too |
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| 05:53.29 | poonj | is aptitude a better tool for package management? |
| 05:54.00 | kana | cast: aptitude tends here to uninstall anypackage that was not installed through aptitude such as apt-get and dpkg :( |
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| 05:54.34 | Henson | I prefer Synaptic, it's pretty decent. |
| 05:54.54 | cast | kana: indeed! well, i havent come across the dpkg -i being removed |
| 05:56.00 | kana | cast: i mainly use aptitude but i keep record of what it automatically remove so i can reinstall what i do not want removed. yet manytimes i just do not find a package i need for aptitude removed it :) |
| 05:56.40 | tuxcicles | anyone know how to do this, at one time, i could play a xine movie windowed, and have it tvout fullscreen, and still work on other windows on my machine. ati card, I believe I was using radeonfb or some fb. Now all i can do is clone my screen. Trying to remember how i did it, i think it was back in my ham days, or maybe woody. |
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| 05:59.07 | Agrajag- | tuxcicles: are you using the binary ati module? if so, try using Option "DesktopSetup" "horizontal" |
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| 06:02.00 | tylerdurden | which iso image do i need to download? |
| 06:02.17 | tuxcicles | extended desktop horizontal from the ati control panel? |
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| 06:02.30 | tylerdurden | cause they are all named debian-31r2-i386-binary-X.iso where x is a number |
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| 06:03.34 | peterS | tylerdurden: the first one is all most people need |
| 06:03.49 | cafuego | tylerdurden: All you need really is the netinst iso, unless you're installing on a site without network access. |
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| 06:04.35 | tylerdurden | well the trouble is ive been trying to get my wireless to work... and the other distros havent worked |
| 06:04.43 | tylerdurden | and wirelss is the only means of internet access i have |
| 06:04.55 | cafuego | What wifi chip you got? |
| 06:05.24 | tylerdurden | atheros |
| 06:05.27 | tylerdurden | wg511t |
| 06:05.34 | tylerdurden | its supported by madwifi |
| 06:05.50 | tylerdurden | but i couldnt get madwifi to work for the life of me on arch linux so im trying debian |
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| 06:06.20 | tuxcicles | Agrajag-: everytime I boot up with my tv plugged in, my screen turns all white, but tv picture is ok. it just clones my desktop though. I have to be running fglrx to see a movie, and I have to assign gl to my video out. I don't remember having to do that a long time ago. |
| 06:07.13 | tylerdurden | so which iso should i get? |
| 06:07.41 | tylerdurden | cause debian-31r2-i386-binary-14.iso is only 369 mb and all the others are around 600+ mb |
| 06:08.44 | cast | makes sense, debian isn't an integer multiple of the size of a CDR |
| 06:09.27 | tylerdurden | ... |
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| 06:10.46 | cafuego | tylerdurden: #1 |
| 06:11.04 | cafuego | tylerdurden: #14 is the last one, not a full CD |
| 06:11.05 | peterS | tylerdurden: the whole set of 14 includes all 10000+ packages. you don't need 10000 packages on your system, the most popular ones are on the first CDs. most people only need the first one, especially if you can get your network access to work |
| 06:11.34 | tylerdurden | lgreat thanks |
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| 06:12.52 | c|int | so I want to upgrade the system, before I install.. x-window-system-core and gnome-core , and , pciutils dmidecode hwinfo , too right? |
| 06:12.57 | deadcat_ | damn.. tyler is here |
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| 06:13.24 | k-man_ | should /usr/bin/X11/X be a link to the x server? |
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| 06:13.35 | k-man_ | or... where does GDM look for the X server? |
| 06:13.37 | peterS | k-man_: not on Debian |
| 06:13.47 | peterS | k-man_: see /etc/X11/X |
| 06:14.34 | peterS | also see /etc/X11/Xsession.options, which xdm uses, I'm not sure if gdm does. gdm uses /etc/gdm/gdm.conf or something resembling that |
| 06:15.22 | k-man_ | peter, gdm fails to start, it says Xserver not found: /usr/X11R6/bin/X |
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| 06:15.33 | k-man_ | where does gdm look for things like that? |
| 06:15.34 | vick | install xserver |
| 06:15.56 | peterS | k-man_: gdm.conf, which is either in /etc/gdm/ or /etc/X11/gdm/, I forget where (I don't have gdm installed) |
| 06:17.52 | k-man_ | hmmm |
| 06:18.11 | k-man_ | /etc/gdm/gdm.conf makes no reference to which x server it will use |
| 06:19.45 | kana | which xserver are you using |
| 06:19.51 | kana | xserver 7 |
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| 06:20.22 | k-man_ | xorg? |
| 06:20.25 | k-man_ | oh |
| 06:20.30 | k-man_ | whatever is in testing |
| 06:20.45 | kana | k-man that is xorg 7 |
| 06:21.03 | c|int | its the latest.. X manager.. |
| 06:21.22 | kana | k-man: the location of the xorg files have changed you are using the old gdm |
| 06:21.36 | c|int | http://www.x.org/ |
| 06:21.38 | kana | install gdm from etch |
| 06:22.20 | kana | k-man: the location is now /usr/bin/X |
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| 06:23.04 | c|int | so cast.. |
| 06:23.06 | k-man_ | ah, i tink i found it |
| 06:23.11 | kana | i think they switched to the freebsd standard regarding file locations ( same one the debian use) |
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| 06:23.41 | c|int | I want to do a ... apt-get dist-upgrade, before I intsall, x-window-system-core and gnome-core, and pciutils dmidecode hwinfo right>> :) |
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| 06:26.00 | k-google | Anyone else on testing/unstable having massive problems with x.org stability? I'd provide details, but it's simply server quits with no logging in messages, Xorg.0.log, daemon log, etc. |
| 06:26.28 | kana | k-google: works fine here |
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| 06:26.45 | c|int | k-google: , I did that with.. my laptop.. testing/unstable. so I could get the.. xorg.. but I had problems with dpkg, and I had to manually edit the xorg... however, I plan to install it from backports |
| 06:26.53 | k-google | OK. T21, xvga driers. |
| 06:26.59 | k-google | drivers. svga. |
| 06:27.00 | k-google | Feh. |
| 06:27.13 | k-google | clif4d: Yeah, I had to hand tweak a bit. |
| 06:27.23 | c|int | its clint :) |
| 06:27.42 | kana | k-google: t42, using the radeon open source drivers here working perfectly |
| 06:27.51 | k-google | Hrm. savage, not vesa. |
| 06:28.08 | c|int | well, I have to, get acpi workings nice on my Acer Aspire 3610, I have to build the driver wireless suport, in my kernel, hack a few things. get 3d acceleration going, and xorg in |
| 06:28.16 | k-google | I may change that next time it craps out, been doing this pretty regularly, last few hours have been ok. |
| 06:28.24 | k-google | kana: clint: thanks. |
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| 06:28.45 | c|int | well, i"M no expert |
| 06:29.17 | c|int | found my book, this is what I"ll be reading.. I should know way more.. in a month, The Debian System Concepts and Techniques (No Starch Press) |
| 06:29.52 | c|int | --> http://www.nostarch.com/frameset.php?startat=debian |
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| 06:37.29 | nevyn | ¬. |
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| 06:46.22 | Cooner750 | Anyone know of a FLV player for Debian? |
| 06:48.22 | ApTek | Cooner750: Possibly VLC |
| 06:48.32 | ApTek | FLV files are Flash Video, right? I believe VLC does those. |
| 06:49.13 | Cooner750 | VLC dosent seem to want to play then |
| 06:49.14 | Cooner750 | m |
| 06:49.28 | Cooner750 | The seek bar just goes right to the end and stops |
| 06:49.38 | cast | ffplay will play some flv files |
| 06:50.19 | Cooner750 | Why is it that when I go to Upgrade VLC in Synaptic that it wants to remove a TON of other packages? |
| 06:50.25 | Cooner750 | same for gtk-engines |
| 06:50.33 | Cooner750 | and various other packages |
| 06:51.22 | Cooner750 | ffmpeg wants to do the same |
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| 07:07.27 | liable | !qotd0 |
| 07:07.37 | liable | wheres dpkg? |
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| 07:08.49 | liable | dondelelcaro: dpkg is dead |
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| 07:15.42 | g333k | Hi,I just installed the kernel 2.6.16-2-686-smp, and it cant load the nvidia driver, why not? |
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| 07:16.30 | cydork | g333k: etch?? |
| 07:16.38 | g333k | cydork, yep |
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| 07:17.20 | cydork | g333k: glx cant load or something like that right? |
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| 07:19.08 | g333k | cydork, (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA X driver not found) |
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| 07:20.56 | cydork | g333k: check this out http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-efb11c2ded8b912df5e976aa3b5b4956edd87d6a |
| 07:22.04 | g333k | cydork, I followed this guide to install nvidia drivers but with the 2.6.15 kernel |
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| 07:22.12 | g333k | g333k, and it worked |
| 07:22.27 | g333k | cydork, this is my first boot with 2.6.16 |
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| 07:23.16 | rhalff | what could cause ping and ssh to connect really slow to a machine, but once connected everything is fast ? i have to wait like 10 seconds to ping or connect to a machine next to me. |
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| 07:23.43 | litage | in logger's manpage, does this mean that the log message is written to the specified file, or something else?: -f file Log the specified file. |
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| 07:31.40 | g333k | how to stop the x, I mean the opposite of startx? |
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| 07:32.14 | Katai | killall -9 Xorg, killall -9 X, /etc/init.d/[kdm/gdm/xdm] stop |
| 07:32.32 | Katai | or maybe with control+alt+backspace |
| 07:32.37 | Katai | ^^ |
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| 07:33.18 | g333k | Katai, if I modify the xorg.conf is not necessary to reboot the PC right? just restart the X |
| 07:33.35 | Katai | yeahp, only restart Xorg |
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| 07:37.16 | g333k | cydork, I think that the problem is that there is not nvidia-kernel-legacy to my version of kernel |
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| 07:38.33 | kittonian | hi all |
| 07:38.56 | cydork | g333k: nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from [WWW] http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
| 07:39.33 | g333k | cydork, I just could get work the legacy drivers |
| 07:39.40 | Katai | or use the .run file from nvidia.com |
| 07:40.17 | pstickne | okay, after fixing 371 bad blocks on the debian fs, time to reboot and try again ;) |
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| 07:40.22 | g333k | Katai, what is better, the debian way? or the nvidia installer? |
| 07:40.38 | cydork | g333k: i prefer the debian way!! |
| 07:40.40 | kittonian | our mail server started freaking out yesterday and I haven't been able to do anything about it. I've found some very strange things. One of which is that it will ping an IP address but will not resolve a name (DNS). I modified the hosts file to only access a known working DNS server here on our LAN and no change. The other thing is that it's not reading like an internal box (it's grabbing the public ips from the primary dns server |
| 07:40.41 | kittonian | <PROTECTED> |
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| 07:41.12 | Katai | g333k: I always used the nvidia installer, works fine, but I think should be better use the debian way |
| 07:41.14 | cydork | g333k: if you want to follow the nvidia installer check this out too http://www.debiantutorials.org/content/view/101/141/ |
| 07:41.43 | g333k | I want to follow the debian way |
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| 07:46.20 | christianp | hi all |
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| 07:50.51 | christianp | can anyone help me in making a sony AIT1 tape drive working? |
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| 07:54.02 | pstickne | :x |
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| 07:54.19 | liable | !hi |
| 07:54.19 | dpkg | hello, liable |
| 07:54.34 | Suprano | Hi |
| 07:54.38 | Suprano | Is there a way to limit the cpu-time per user ? |
| 07:54.38 | pstickne | what does it mean when apt-get says "Package x is not configured yet."? |
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| 07:56.19 | Katai | Suprano: nice, renice... maybe |
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| 07:57.06 | Suprano | that helps, ty |
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| 07:57.35 | Katai | well, I think is time to sleep :S |
| 07:57.39 | Katai | see u later |
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| 07:58.14 | MFox | Hey there |
| 07:58.14 | MFox | ;-) |
| 07:58.25 | rhalff | has courier changed in testing compared to stable ? I can't get courier-authmysql installed. |
| 07:58.26 | Vampire | :d |
| 07:58.33 | Vampire | hey man |
| 07:58.39 | pstickne | I want to get my feet bloody. How should I setup sources.list to get ... etch? |
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| 08:01.40 | pstickne | how can I view known apt-get packages? |
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| 08:02.54 | vosti | pstickne, dselect maybe |
| 08:03.30 | pstickne | vosti, more like `aptitude search` (although I'm surprised this isn't in apt-get :-/) |
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| 08:03.54 | pstickne | vosti, but thanks for the dselect pointer, it looks like it'll be very handy |
| 08:04.24 | vosti | pstickne, be careful with dselect, I don't like it, to me it has some trouble |
| 08:04.45 | vosti | pstickne, I prefer to use apt-cache search .... |
| 08:05.23 | pstickne | vosti, perfect :) |
| 08:06.24 | pstickne | I am getting some nasty errors though ;P |
| 08:06.29 | pstickne | Time to hack at this. |
| 08:07.46 | pstickne | Setting up libcdparanoia0 (3a9.8-11) ... dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-installation script: Exec format error :( |
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| 08:08.22 | pstickne | it looks like there are a bunch of other things pending configuration too |
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| 08:08.30 | pstickne | but that starts the error cascade |
| 08:08.36 | g333k | !hi |
| 08:08.36 | dpkg | hello, g333k |
| 08:09.01 | Yamaraj | Any clue whay weekly Etch builds are zeroed out on cdimage.debian.org? |
| 08:09.10 | Yamaraj | *why |
| 08:10.31 | g333k | Hi is it necessary to recompile kernel to add a bootsplash screen? or just install the bootsplash pkg? |
| 08:10.35 | Yamaraj | Oh, They're rebuilding the ISOs. Now I can see that. |
| 08:10.44 | azeem | g333k: probably recompile |
| 08:11.30 | streuner | pstickne: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 08:12.18 | pstickne | 2.3.2.ds1-22sa |
| 08:12.42 | liable | !splashy |
| 08:12.43 | dpkg | splashy is, like, a basic userspace bootsplash package which is currently in unstable but works in sarge all right. http://splashy.alioth.debian.org/ and backported pacakges for sarge are available here: http://layer-acht.org/splashy/ |
| 08:12.44 | streuner | let's take a look at your sources.list (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 08:13.04 | streuner | pstickne: |
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| 08:13.21 | pstickne | streuner, it's stock Sarge (just installed off the net install) |
| 08:13.37 | streuner | well :-) |
| 08:13.40 | pstickne | okay, oaky |
| 08:13.53 | streuner | just paste the whole error there too |
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| 08:15.03 | pstickne | streuner, http://pastie.caboo.se/6717 |
| 08:15.09 | pstickne | URL okay? |
| 08:15.57 | pstickne | deb http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:15.57 | pstickne | deb-src http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/ stable main |
| 08:15.57 | pstickne | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main |
| 08:15.57 | pstickne | ## error |
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| 08:16.13 | pstickne | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 08:16.15 | pstickne | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:16.17 | pstickne | sorry :( |
| 08:17.28 | thyko | courier-imap wount work with authpwd |
| 08:17.38 | thyko | anyone else had the same problem? |
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| 08:19.37 | streuner | pstickne: why do you want to configure that package at all? |
| 08:19.58 | pstickne | streuner, because it that causes errors when trying to install any other package |
| 08:20.23 | pstickne | streuner, says it's not configured, raises said message and dies (with a whole chain of dependencies that die too) |
| 08:20.50 | streuner | mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/libcdparanoia0* /tmp |
| 08:20.54 | streuner | apt-get -f install |
| 08:21.17 | pstickne | I just removed it :) |
| 08:21.27 | streuner | oh :-) |
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| 08:22.01 | Mazingaro | hi |
| 08:22.03 | pstickne | sweet, firefox is now installed :) |
| 08:22.07 | Mazingaro | was kde fixed on unstables? |
| 08:23.31 | pstickne | okay, now onto the fun things how do I update sources.list to get cool thinks like X11RC7? |
| 08:23.39 | pstickne | (any good links?) |
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| 08:23.58 | streuner | !tell pstickne about backports |
| 08:24.02 | pstickne | wtf. |
| 08:24.09 | pstickne | firefox "current" is 1.0.4 |
| 08:24.16 | pstickne | err, sarge/stable/whatever |
| 08:24.19 | streuner | visit backports.org and read instructions |
| 08:24.30 | streuner | for xorg |
| 08:24.39 | pstickne | thanks |
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| 08:25.53 | pstickne | I wonder how ubuntu is :) |
| 08:26.13 | Guerin | ubuntu isn't stable like sarge is |
| 08:26.15 | streuner | ugly |
| 08:26.16 | pstickne | But I really like dpkg and the wrappers and the debian install was how an install should be. |
| 08:26.26 | pstickne | I tried SuSE. Whew. Hated it. |
| 08:26.34 | pstickne | YaST is pure evil. |
| 08:26.54 | pstickne | Running slackware but same problem of "not enough current packages" |
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| 08:27.14 | streuner | o_O (changeling...) |
| 08:27.18 | pstickne | hehe |
| 08:27.48 | streuner | get some experience and use etch later |
| 08:28.18 | pstickne | Actually, I grew on slack after some terrible RH / turbolinux experiences, went to FBSD, back to slack to "re-enter" Linux, and now just looking. |
| 08:29.27 | streuner | well, since '99 debian is for me ok, before i used SuSE 6.2 |
| 08:31.27 | streuner | oh, ones i tried to configure my printer with mdk... |
| 08:31.32 | streuner | it didn't work :-) |
| 08:32.09 | streuner | nowadays within 5 minutes in debian the printer is ok then... |
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| 08:33.00 | c|int | nope. and was using ubuntu, and still working with . it. for hacking it. and other things, since last year... actually. when Hoary came about.. however.. debian is so worth the effort.. because ubuntu is just resource happy :) |
| 08:35.15 | c|int | :) |
| 08:35.32 | c|int | talk to you all later |
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| 08:36.57 | pstickne | how can I list (search) installed packages? |
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| 08:37.23 | azeem | pstickne: dpkg -l |
| 08:37.39 | SlayerXP | pstickne: dpkg - |
| 08:37.40 | pstickne | thanks :) |
| 08:37.41 | SlayerXP | l |
| 08:37.44 | SlayerXP | bah |
| 08:38.07 | c|int | hey guys, before I install, |
| 08:38.07 | pstickne | uhm. |
| 08:38.30 | pstickne | hmm. why does it say 'removing gnome ...' when I removed mozilla-browser? |
| 08:38.31 | c|int | x-window-system-core and gnome-core, should i dist-upgrade |
| 08:38.56 | liable | pstickne: gnome is a meta package |
| 08:38.56 | c|int | just wantin some advice, but got book, havn't read it all yet though.. also coming from ubuntu, which I spent about.. 10 months on.. |
| 08:41.38 | kittonian | how would I stop a massive amount of bandwidth coming through to my server (like a DOS attack or an e-mail bombing) |
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| 08:41.58 | pstickne | does anyone know why they removed the download-window shortcut from FF 1.5.0.4? |
| 08:42.22 | g333k | Hi, if I cant found the file bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.16.diff to patch my kernel 2.6.16 can I use the bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.15.diff? |
| 08:43.06 | Guerin | kittonian: set your default firewall rule to DROP |
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| 08:44.54 | pstickne | I've just updated my partition table and the partition numbers changed; do I have to do anything to ensure that grub will load next boot? |
| 08:49.06 | blondie | O.O |
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| 08:50.10 | pstickne | blondie, so, being able to load linux after a reboot if partition names change? :) |
| 08:50.23 | pstickne | s/linux/debian with grub/ |
| 08:50.54 | blondie | nfi |
| 08:51.07 | pstickne | nfi? |
| 08:51.16 | Guerin | pstickne: edit /boot/grub/menu.lst; otherwise you can do it on the fly, but it will rely on having to guess a bit |
| 08:51.24 | c|int | hey guys, _> reading.. The Debian System Concepts and Techniques (No Starch Press) , is so cool |
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| 08:52.34 | pstickne | Guerin, okay, how do I get it up update? |
| 08:53.06 | c|int | yes, and nano is always great to use |
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| 08:53.48 | pstickne | man grub is confusing :( |
| 08:54.04 | c|int | once you get used to it, you'll go through it |
| 08:54.24 | c|int | the only thing that is confusing, is second guessing yourself, and not studying on how to, :-) |
| 08:54.54 | harobed | I can't unsubscribe to debian-user mailing list ! I send mail to debian-user-REQUEST@lists.debian.org with "unsubscribe" in subject and I get always debian-user mails ! |
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| 08:55.13 | gis | hiya |
| 08:55.26 | harobed | someone know this issue ? |
| 08:55.37 | pstickne | info grub just yields the man page :-/ |
| 08:55.43 | gis | anyone know how hald is started? |
| 08:56.01 | c|int | pstickne: , what seems to be your problem |
| 08:56.03 | gis | there is no sysv init script |
| 08:56.16 | pstickne | c|int, how to write back grub :) |
| 08:56.33 | pstickne | I'm in the terminal and I'm like, okay, `install` looks good but it's so cryptic |
| 08:56.51 | c|int | ? |
| 08:57.11 | Guerin | pstickne: why aren't you reading ocumentatation before doing dangerous stuff? |
| 08:57.18 | pstickne | Guerin, man grub is useless. |
| 08:57.20 | c|int | do... switch to super user, and do... nano /boot/grub/menu.lst |
| 08:57.25 | pstickne | Guerin, and the info package is not installed correctly |
| 08:57.30 | c|int | or if you want to actually do this |
| 08:57.36 | pstickne | c|int, I've edit the file already |
| 08:57.39 | Guerin | that's because it's gnu, and uses an info package |
| 08:57.45 | Guerin | so install the info package |
| 08:57.48 | Guerin | grub-doc |
| 08:57.56 | c|int | -> su - , then nano cp /boot/grub/menu.lst /boot/grub/menu.lst_backup |
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| 08:58.11 | pstickne | Guerin, thanks :) |
| 09:00.04 | c|int | Guerin: , is a nice help :-) |
| 09:00.28 | pstickne | that was rather anti-climatic |
| 09:01.14 | c|int | nice guy too |
| 09:01.23 | c|int | helper is what I meant* |
| 09:01.32 | pstickne | hmm. I lied. "/boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly" O.o |
| 09:01.39 | c|int | sorry. watching.. Superman Returns.. :) |
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| 09:04.57 | pstickne | wtf :X |
| 09:05.21 | pstickne | why is there /boot/grub and /boot/boot/grub? |
| 09:05.42 | dorel_1 | there's just /boot/grub |
| 09:05.46 | HeavenWarrior | if someone knows a good program for linux based internet cafe please tell me |
| 09:05.52 | pstickne | nowec, there really is /boot/boot/grub :( |
| 09:05.53 | HeavenWarrior | i mean a kind of linux shield |
| 09:06.24 | pstickne | and none of them are symlinks |
| 09:06.52 | dorel_1 | i dont have that. just /boot/grub and grub is a directory |
| 09:06.55 | g333k | How can I optimize my debian, I feel it very slow |
| 09:07.04 | pstickne | dorel_1, whack, this is fresh net-install today :) |
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| 09:07.10 | c|int | can you see that.. pstickne? |
| 09:07.18 | pstickne | c|int, see what? |
| 09:07.34 | c|int | sending... what I bought |
| 09:07.46 | pstickne | no |
| 09:07.48 | c|int | The Debian System Concepts and Techniques (No Starch Press) Sept_2005 |
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| 09:11.07 | c|int | :) |
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| 09:11.26 | c|int | IT , Systems Engineer, and INdependant.. Reverse Engineer, for RMC< and etc.. |
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| 09:12.23 | Guerin | g333k: paint red stripes on the side |
| 09:12.43 | g333k | Guerin, what? |
| 09:12.59 | pstickne | anyone experience the stage1 cyrptic error message with grub? |
| 09:13.04 | Guerin | g333k: anything with red stripes goes faster |
| 09:13.08 | c|int | don't work for No Starch Press.. :) |
| 09:13.12 | Guerin | pstickne: many people. |
| 09:13.30 | pstickne | Guerin, so says google but I can't find anything which solves my problem. |
| 09:13.55 | g333k | Guerin, :s |
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| 09:18.06 | pstickne | "If you get an error that says The file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly, it probably means that your fstab/mtab is incorrect..." |
| 09:18.22 | pstickne | well, der, that's because I've edited the partitions |
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| 09:19.29 | pstickne | okay, that went through O.o |
| 09:19.34 | pstickne | what a lame error message |
| 09:20.01 | pstickne | it would be nice if they included something non-cryptic |
| 09:20.07 | owh | Greetings all, last night I was here discussing how to store two bytes of data in some form of NVRAM, the idea became to store data in the assetTag, using the libsmbios-bin package, but that proved to have way too many dependencies. What thoughts do people have to use the RTC instead? |
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| 09:20.32 | pstickne | solution was to edit the mtab to reflect |
| 09:20.32 | yang | I am wondering how do I set WEP key on wireless card with "iwconfig" I always get the error : "Error for wireless request "set Encode" 8B2A, set failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument" |
| 09:20.34 | wassim | can any one help me |
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| 09:20.53 | hodgman | exit |
| 09:20.54 | TinoW | hi! |
| 09:21.16 | pstickne | owh, I thought there was a kernel module that exposed it? |
| 09:21.21 | Ronin | wassim: we have to konw the problem first |
| 09:21.29 | wassim | ok |
| 09:21.35 | pstickne | owh, and in the source it said what package you need to do or what you needed to poke to make it work |
| 09:21.39 | pstickne | owh, with a warning of course |
| 09:22.02 | owh | pstickne: You mean smbios, or rtc? |
| 09:22.13 | c|int | man, hey you guys.. Superman Returns, is so good.. :D Ma fav :D |
| 09:22.14 | wassim | Ronin: i have debian and windowz XP on my pc, i have sone trouble xith my windows |
| 09:22.21 | pstickne | owh, `nvram`? |
| 09:22.22 | wassim | i need to reinstall it |
| 09:22.30 | TinoW | when I have a root-fs of another computer mounted, how could I apt-get update and apt-get -d install (fetch only) inside this filesystem provided its a complete other architecture? |
| 09:22.45 | pstickne | owh, just remember something about a device being created you could directly access |
| 09:23.03 | pstickne | *device file |
| 09:23.05 | wassim | but i know that when i reinstall windows after linux, debian loose the GRU |
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| 09:23.13 | owh | pstickne: Hmm, lemmie have a looksee... |
| 09:23.20 | c|int | wassim: |
| 09:23.28 | c|int | you know you can use Acronis Disk Director.. have you ever tried that? |
| 09:23.43 | wassim | how can i do it without loosing my debian system? |
| 09:23.52 | owh | pstickne: Hmm, there is a /dev/nvram, but apropos nvram shows nothing. |
| 09:23.59 | wassim | not before now |
| 09:24.00 | Ronin | wassim: iirc disk one of etch can do a rebuild on the mbr and repair grub |
| 09:24.00 | TinoW | wassim: easiest is to use grub again |
| 09:24.01 | Guerin | wassim: /msg badgers fixmbr |
| 09:24.08 | c|int | windows overwrites the boot loader, thats why |
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| 09:24.40 | wassim | c|int: how to resolve that |
| 09:24.53 | Ronin | wassim: do what Guerin said to do |
| 09:24.56 | c|int | because, debian, say you install debian by default.. still Windows writes to the master boot record of the hard drive |
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| 09:26.56 | wassim | Ronin: i know what Guerin is talking about, |
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| 09:27.06 | wassim | Ronin: i don't know what Guerin is talking about, |
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| 09:27.51 | _stev_ | I've installed a new kernel with apt-get install linux-image-686, can I configure this to make my own kernel? |
| 09:27.55 | Ronin | wassim: /msg badgers fixmbr |
| 09:28.01 | gis | any idea why all GTK apps have horrible fonts in unstable from today? |
| 09:28.08 | gis | all KDE apps look fine... |
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| 09:28.34 | Guerin | unstable is unstable |
| 09:28.40 | Guerin | i'd put it down to that |
| 09:28.41 | wishkah | how do I force m-a to use a specific GCC version (it doesn't use /usr/bin/gcc, it always uses 3.4, but I want it to use 4.0) |
| 09:29.01 | gis | Guerin: yeah, but usually there is a solution to every problem :-) |
| 09:29.03 | wassim | i used it, ut i'm not registred, how to register |
| 09:29.16 | Ronin | wassim: then register on freenode |
| 09:29.23 | Ronin | wassim: /msg nickserv help |
| 09:29.40 | gis | wishkah: export CC=/usr/bin/gcc4.0 ? |
| 09:29.44 | Guerin | gis: the slution in this case is: if you can't fix shit yourself, don't use unstable |
| 09:30.03 | gis | gcc-4.0 I mean |
| 09:30.07 | Guerin | gis: but yeah, I haven't heard of it |
| 09:30.18 | Guerin | gis: check/file on the bts |
| 09:30.25 | wishkah | gis: hm, trying |
| 09:30.25 | Ronin | !tell wassim about fixmbr |
| 09:31.07 | c|int | !fixmbr |
| 09:31.07 | dpkg | So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
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| 09:31.15 | Guerin | oh, dpkg is back |
| 09:31.16 | wishkah | gis: nope :( |
| 09:31.25 | c|int | hee hee :) |
| 09:31.27 | wishkah | # CC=/usr/bin/gcc-4.0 m-a |
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| 09:31.52 | gis | Guerin: it's much easier to check here than searching bdo, if I don't even know what package I should be looking in |
| 09:32.10 | gis | Guerin: if I'm the first to have the problem, well, than that's my problem of course |
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| 09:33.50 | thirst | hi everyone. |
| 09:34.01 | c|int | heya |
| 09:34.17 | wishkah | gis: ah, doing it over the command line worked with export CC=... |
| 09:34.28 | earthling | had to install ndiswrapper for the wireless card in my gf notebook and it all went well till i discovered wlan0 was missing.. I know this isn't much info but any help at all will be appreciated.. |
| 09:34.30 | gis | wishkah: ah, good |
| 09:34.37 | wishkah | gis: i.e. "m-a -f build fglrx" instead of using the "gui" |
| 09:34.40 | wishkah | thx |
| 09:34.54 | c|int | earthling: , you know you can actually install like firmware cutter, and put the firmware in /lib/firmware |
| 09:35.07 | hodgman | I'm trying to install libapache2-mod-php4 but part of the dependances its trying to install apache-common even though I have apache2-common installed. is this normal? |
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| 09:35.11 | leOn | hello |
| 09:35.23 | c|int | you can still get it up and going in.. without it named wlan0, I know because I did it in ubuntu |
| 09:35.26 | earthling | never heard of firmware cutter? |
| 09:35.29 | thirst | my X crashes after 5-10 mins. after I upgraded to 7.0.22, any fix for that yet I am using testing distro. |
| 09:35.50 | RvGaTe | thirst, any errors in the log ? |
| 09:35.58 | earthling | is it in one of the debian repos or do i have to compile it? |
| 09:36.07 | thirst | yeah.. i got a backtrace in the logs |
| 09:36.47 | RvGaTe | thirst, what error? (use pastebin plz) |
| 09:36.58 | earthling | yup, same for my desktop, uses ath0 .. |
| 09:37.06 | RvGaTe | hodgman, as far as i know, that is completely normal... |
| 09:37.09 | earthling | but atleast it works.. |
| 09:37.13 | leOn | guys ... after a recent dist-upgrade (unstable), my evolution stopped processing spam properly ... i also noticed that there are new rules available making reference to "Junk", but no matter the way i set it (with pipe or with built-in junk tests) i get no spam filtering |
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| 09:37.22 | c|int | earthling: , you got the ndiswrapper you said installed? |
| 09:37.26 | c|int | did you modprobe it? |
| 09:37.29 | earthling | yes.. |
| 09:37.33 | earthling | yes |
| 09:37.35 | hodgman | RvGaTe: alright, I just don't want to screw up my apache2 install by installing apache1.3 things |
| 09:37.37 | leOn | although i can see a spamassassin process eating up all my cpu ... :P |
| 09:37.43 | c|int | ever try wlassistant, works pretty nice |
| 09:38.09 | c|int | I tried that, because my gnome gui, network manager on ubuntu, didnt' work. |
| 09:38.10 | earthling | nope.. |
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| 09:38.42 | RvGaTe | hodgman, dont worry, it wont.. |
| 09:38.50 | earthling | modprobe shows ndiswrapper and ndiswrapper is associated as an alias to wlan0 and that devide is missing.. |
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| 09:39.21 | c|int | I'm in your boat too earthling, I got to get my wireless going in debian, I got it in ubuntu, however I know what I can do. besides using the ndiswrapper |
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| 09:39.51 | wassim | Ronin: thanks |
| 09:40.17 | frosty_badfish | i would like to try to compile my own kernel, is apt-get install linux-image-*86 the right way to do ? |
| 09:40.19 | earthling | well, i'm loolin at udev and anywhere else i can think of to get wlan0 created.. |
| 09:40.31 | leOn | hello .. |
| 09:40.32 | thirst | RvGaTe: ack! X cashed again shall i paste the backtrace in #paste |
| 09:40.41 | earthling | anyone have any ideas how to get udev to make wlan0 for me? |
| 09:40.46 | leOn | this a good place to inquire about evolution? :) |
| 09:40.47 | c|int | ifrename |
| 09:40.53 | RvGaTe | thirst, plz use pastebin, so everyone can read them her |
| 09:40.55 | RvGaTe | here |
| 09:41.19 | pstickne | earthling, isn't that created when you bring up a device? |
| 09:41.23 | hodgman | RvGaTe: thanks |
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| 09:41.39 | c|int | but you actually don't need to rename itk, like i sAID, I thought i had to do that, however, I had.. my wireless was.. eth0, on ubuntu, weird eh, but after I installed. the bcm43xx-firmware-cutter, all issues were solved :) |
| 09:43.20 | c|int | ear |
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| 09:43.35 | thirst | RvGaTe: ack. xorg overwrote the previos Xorg.0.log.old which had the backtrace :( and i see the latest of the crash doesnt write logs there.. |
| 09:43.45 | c|int | this what i want you to try and do.. before I actually get my X setup.. do.. apt-get update, and then , apt-get install wlassistant |
| 09:43.47 | thirst | RvGaTe: how else to debug this / |
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| 09:44.12 | RvGaTe | thirst, you should have a log of your previous crash |
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| 09:49.36 | c|int | heya amphi |
| 09:49.39 | ax7 | hi |
| 09:50.22 | amphi | g'day c|int |
| 09:50.32 | pstickne | fsck, now I find the etch install media |
| 09:50.41 | amphi | the pipe is not an asset IMHO |
| 09:50.54 | amphi | !nickometer c|int |
| 09:50.55 | dpkg | 'c|int' is 14.000% lame, amphi |
| 09:51.08 | pstickne | !nickometer amphi |
| 09:51.10 | dpkg | 'amphi' is 0.000% lame, pstickne |
| 09:51.14 | pstickne | hmm. |
| 09:51.27 | pstickne | !nickometer __zen__ |
| 09:51.29 | dpkg | '__zen__' is 88.000% lame, pstickne |
| 09:51.31 | azeem | amphi: 'clint' is already taken |
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| 09:51.37 | amphi | azeem: ah |
| 09:54.34 | ShredZ | !nickometer ShredZ |
| 09:54.36 | dpkg | 'ShredZ' is 13.000% lame, shredz |
| 09:54.53 | azeem | people, please /msg dpkg for this kind of stuff |
| 09:55.15 | ShredZ | ow sorry |
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| 09:56.55 | c|int | and that means nothing to me, "dpkg" for I consider the source, and the souce has not been around since I was born , and was created in 1993 .. :) |
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| 09:57.35 | thirst | RvGaTe: nope.. previous crash has no logs .. it ends after the startup messages.. would that help. |
| 09:57.42 | c|int | I was born in 1982, and have 11 years on you... "dpkg" .. cough :) |
| 09:58.02 | RvGaTe | thirst, hmm... cant really help if there is no reason for crashing... |
| 09:58.08 | RvGaTe | maybe someone else can |
| 09:58.22 | Guerin | apparently age does not necessarily bring wisdom |
| 09:58.23 | c|int | !nickometer dpkg |
| 09:58.25 | dpkg | 'dpkg' is 0.000% lame, c|int |
| 09:58.39 | c|int | !nickometer amphi |
| 09:58.41 | dpkg | 'amphi' is 0.000% lame, c|int |
| 09:58.46 | thirst | RvGaTe: is there a way to run X in debug mode so that it specifically dumps crashes/errors |
| 09:58.55 | c|int | heh.. your lame when you break.. dpkg >> :) |
| 09:59.01 | Guerin | c|int: are the hints too subtle? |
| 09:59.08 | Guerin | c|int: STOP BEING A TWAT |
| 09:59.13 | peterS | c|int: that's enough |
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| 09:59.44 | RvGaTe | what a moron |
| 09:59.55 | RvGaTe | thirst, no idea, probably is... |
| 10:00.14 | peterS | anyone I see using the nickometer in the next 30 minutes will get some alone time to meditate on his or her sins |
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| 10:01.25 | peterS | RvGaTe: if your curiosity is really killing you, you can do 'apt-get source blootbot' and read the code to find out what its algorithm is. or you could ask dpkg in a /msg session, which I won't have to look at. |
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| 10:01.29 | debugger | hi |
| 10:02.16 | peterS | RvGaTe: I have to warn you, it regards mixed caps as a major factor in lameness |
| 10:02.21 | RvGaTe | peterS, hmm... not in the mood for a joke? |
| 10:02.46 | peterS | RvGaTe: just don't do it here. watching people play with bots gets really boring after about 10 seconds of it |
| 10:02.55 | SlayerXP | RvGaTe: never over estimate the patience level of an #debian op when botabuse is taking place. |
| 10:02.55 | debugger | you guys known where can I get the user-mode-linux package into stable? its on the testing debian dist thou. |
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| 10:03.21 | SlayerXP | debugger: never, I would think. |
| 10:03.22 | Guerin | debugger: backports.porg? |
| 10:03.32 | SlayerXP | oh I misunderstood |
| 10:03.35 | Guerin | PORG |
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| 10:03.50 | debugger | Guerin, its not on backport.org :( |
| 10:03.52 | peterS | never is a long time, one can always wait for testing to _become_ stable |
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| 10:04.10 | Guerin | debugger: then I supose you'll have to try to build it yourself |
| 10:04.11 | Guerin | unless google has something for you |
| 10:04.14 | RvGaTe | peterS, SlayerXP, both not in de mood for a joke, there was a ":P" for a reason ya know... |
| 10:04.38 | peterS | RvGaTe: I don't mind if you're curious about dpkg's lame nick algorithm. I really don't mind. just ask it somewhere else, where we don't have to watch. |
| 10:04.53 | Guerin | UML is known to work on sarge, so it's doable. |
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| 10:05.07 | SlayerXP | RvGaTe: if you want to play with the bots, do so via /msg |
| 10:05.13 | RvGaTe | omg |
| 10:05.28 | thirst | guys any release date for etch yet ? |
| 10:05.30 | debugger | Guerin, how about using, apt-get install -t testing user-mode-linux ? |
| 10:05.43 | SlayerXP | thirst: it'll be out by december 2012 |
| 10:05.46 | peterS | thirst: answer is "not yet", if that's the question |
| 10:06.01 | thirst | :) |
| 10:06.21 | peterS | thirst: if it were released already, you'd know by reading the /topic, I promise you. the estimate is the same as it ever was, December 2006. SlayerXP gives a rather safer prediction. |
| 10:06.26 | RvGaTe | peterS, SlayerXP, again, it was a freakin joke, im completely NOT interested in talking to a bot... it was a joke to reply on the message peterS reply on c|int |
| 10:07.18 | SlayerXP | it's 11.10am on a monday morning, and i'm already approaching sense of humour failure |
| 10:07.26 | peterS | RvGaTe: drop it, dude. joke or not, I told you how you can find out what you said you wanted to know. if you don't really want to find out ... then don't. this conversation has taken up way too many keystrokes |
| 10:08.03 | RvGaTe | omg, go get some humour... |
| 10:08.21 | thirst | back to my question.. :) can one of you help me debug my X which keeps crashing after a "apt-get upgrade" ? |
| 10:08.26 | hodgman | ack |
| 10:08.33 | hodgman | broke my window |
| 10:08.41 | *** mode/#debian [+o peterS] by ChanServ |
| 10:09.00 | *** mode/#debian [+drIb it said!*@* %RvGaTe!*@*] by peterS |
| 10:09.09 | peterS | ehhh ... misfire |
| 10:09.31 | Guerin | debugger: that would result in you no longer running stable |
| 10:09.52 | peterS | (what _did_ that do?) |
| 10:09.52 | thirst | and xorg package is not very good at logrotate.. it keeps only one older log file by default.. :( |
| 10:09.56 | Guerin | drIb? |
| 10:10.07 | peterS | I can't figure out what the client did based on what I told it to do |
| 10:10.08 | debugger | Guerin, oh I see. thx. |
| 10:10.54 | *** mode/#debian [-drIb it said!*@* %RvGaTe!*@*] by peterS |
| 10:11.19 | peterS | (whatever that actually did, I guess it's undone) |
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| 10:12.22 | vick | How do i lock fluxbox ? |
| 10:12.34 | thirst | gone are the days when #debian used to answer all queries.. what has happened to everyone .. everyone gone to ubuntu?? :) |
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| 10:13.58 | peterS | thirst: partly it's a matter of people distracting the attention of the channel by arguing about whether playing with a bot is funny or not |
| 10:14.28 | amphi | vick: lock? you mean something like xlockmore ? |
| 10:14.42 | peterS | we try to minimize that sort of thing but we don't always stop it soon enough to prevent real questions from being ignored |
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| 10:16.14 | thirst | vick: add something like "Mod4 l :ExecCommand xlock" in your ~/.fluxbox/keys to add a keyboard shortcut to xlockmore |
| 10:19.06 | vick | thirst, Mod4 is ctrl ? |
| 10:19.33 | thirst | vick: type xmodmap to see what it stands for on u r machine. |
| 10:20.06 | peterS | thirst: we use whole words here, please type 'your' instead of 'u r'. it's much easier for non-native English speakers, and people without text-capable cell phones, to understand. |
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| 10:20.40 | blondie | also, "u r" instead of "ur" would look more like "you are" :P |
| 10:20.47 | peterS | yes, that too |
| 10:21.13 | Guerin | it's curious |
| 10:21.23 | thirst | yup.. cue taken :) |
| 10:21.27 | peterS | I wonder if scholars discussing old manuscripts over their cell phones use ur-text messaging |
| 10:21.37 | Guerin | NZ's cellphone sytstem is so expensive I've had to start learning text language |
| 10:21.40 | thirst | vick: i map it to my otherwise useless windows key using -- xmodmap -e "add Mod4 = Super_L" |
| 10:21.54 | peterS | Guerin: the horror |
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| 10:21.55 | Guerin | but find that with predictive text it's faster to use real words than abbrvatns |
| 10:22.07 | Guerin | peterS: yeah |
| 10:22.26 | petemc | predictive text teh suq |
| 10:22.43 | meppl | guten morgen |
| 10:22.47 | peterS | Guerin: you really run into the text length limits often, such that SMSspeak is worth it? |
| 10:23.00 | Guerin | my texts tend to be simple: "beer 6pm mollys" |
| 10:23.01 | Guerin | for instance |
| 10:23.16 | Guerin | peterS: didn't even realise there was a length limit |
| 10:23.20 | peterS | or do they charge by the byte rather than by the message? |
| 10:23.37 | Guerin | no, per message |
| 10:23.48 | peterS | I forget what the usual limit is, but it's well over 100 chars, I think over 200 |
| 10:23.53 | Guerin | wow, i'm lagging |
| 10:24.19 | petemc | 160 |
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| 10:24.42 | Guerin | i have a friend who works for AQA and has to writte answers to any random question in passages short enough for sms |
| 10:24.46 | Guerin | she gets answered all manner of stupid shit |
| 10:25.00 | Guerin | like "does sally jones love me?" |
| 10:25.12 | peterS | what's AQA? |
| 10:25.26 | Guerin | s/answered/asked/ |
| 10:25.31 | Guerin | any question answered |
| 10:25.36 | peterS | ahhh. |
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| 10:25.51 | amphi | Guerin: heh |
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| 10:25.52 | Guerin | text any question you like to some number and you get a researched answer from a real person |
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| 10:26.44 | peterS | and people mistake it for a fortune teller? |
| 10:27.12 | Guerin | nope |
| 10:27.18 | Guerin | but drunlk people will asky anything |
| 10:27.36 | Guerin | and it's a bit of a joke, like, to ask questions such as "how many beers have I had?" |
| 10:28.18 | peterS | the correct answer to that, I suppose, being "African or European?" |
| 10:28.53 | Guerin | heh |
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| 10:28.55 | Guerin | no |
| 10:28.58 | Guerin | they get to just make something up, I think |
| 10:29.38 | Guerin | "how do I gget to Brandon Street?" |
| 10:29.45 | Guerin | that'd be a fun one |
| 10:29.48 | Guerin | fuck this network |
| 10:29.48 | Guerin | stupid m |
| 10:29.57 | Guerin | odem |
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| 10:31.51 | peterS | well, I'm glad you're _here_, at any rate (no pun intended), Guerin. you could've got yourself killed out there in asia. or if you'd reached your destination, you could've got yourself kilt. |
| 10:32.20 | petemc | <trombone> |
| 10:32.29 | Guerin | hyuck |
| 10:33.27 | fireba11 | need a debian installer with a newer kernel and forgot the bot keyword .. someon help please ? :-) |
| 10:33.45 | petemc | !d-i 2.6.16 |
| 10:33.45 | dpkg | 2.6.16, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 10:33.50 | petemc | ermm, thats not it |
| 10:34.04 | petemc | fireba11: http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2616.htm |
| 10:34.35 | fireba11 | petemc thanks |
| 10:36.14 | itchi | fireba11: See '/msg dpkg search' btw, very usefull |
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| 10:36.35 | fireba11 | itchi: ah, usefull indeed :-) |
| 10:38.19 | vick | mod4 Super_L Hyper_L |
| 10:38.24 | vick | Is that ctrl ? |
| 10:38.40 | peterS | no |
| 10:38.50 | vick | what's that ? |
| 10:39.02 | peterS | Super and Hyper are other keys, ctrl is labeled as Control_L and Control_R |
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| 10:39.44 | peterS | most people don't use the Super and Hyper modifiers, they're mainly intended for emacs junkies |
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| 10:39.58 | Guerin | what about the Ninja key? |
| 10:40.05 | Guerin | that'd be a key I could support |
| 10:40.38 | peterS | if you hit Super and Hyper at EXACTLY THE SAME TIME, within the resolution of the X keyboard driver, I think you get ninja privileges because not just anyone can do that |
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| 10:41.27 | fireba11 | :-D |
| 10:42.20 | Guerin | pwnd |
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| 10:42.32 | Guerin | omgz, I need a MITboard |
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| 10:46.08 | msn | in kde if the menubar doesn't start how can I start it. |
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| 10:47.54 | Guerin | msn: #kde |
| 10:48.02 | cocaa_ | hi there anybody experience with debian and nfsv4 ? |
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| 10:48.10 | cocaa_ | would be cool ;) |
| 10:48.24 | Guerin | i don't think ntfs4 can make you cool |
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| 10:48.57 | DragonD | is there a way to tell apt how many files to download at once? |
| 10:49.02 | cocaa_ | Guerin: on gentoo it worked perfekt but i need to give it a try on debian ... |
| 10:49.09 | cocaa_ | so anybody already tryed out ;) ? |
| 10:49.31 | Guerin | cocaa_: asking generic questions gets you not very far in #debian |
| 10:50.06 | LordElph | I've got a machine that was using "testing" that seems to be in a bit of a mess (apt-get upgrade fails with unmet dependancies, can't seem to get it sane again). Is there an easy way to have it pull down stable packages for everything? |
| 10:50.15 | cocaa_ | Guerin: so i installed nfsv4 and followed this hwoto ... http://torio.unileon.es/~mediawiki/index.php/Instalaci%C3%B3n_de_NFSv4 |
| 10:50.33 | cocaa_ | i can see the export with showmount -e |
| 10:50.47 | Guerin | LordElph: no, because you can't downgrade from testing to stable. |
| 10:51.01 | Guerin | LordElph: try aptitude -f install |
| 10:51.24 | cocaa_ | but when i want to mount it i either get "mount: RPC: Unable to receive; errno = Connection refused " and localhost kernel: svc: unknown version (4) and localhost kernel: svc: unknown version (3) |
| 10:51.30 | cocaa_ | and i dont see why ... |
| 10:51.41 | cocaa_ | the last two messages arre in the server log |
| 10:51.55 | cocaa_ | and the first one ii get wehn trying to mount it from the client |
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| 10:52.03 | Guerin | the server isn't listening on the port you think it is |
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| 10:52.38 | Guerin | or something else is interfering |
| 10:53.09 | cocaa_ | Guerin: the rpc.mountdaemon is running on the server and there is no firewall interfering between them |
| 10:53.23 | cocaa_ | how could i test further whats going wrong ? |
| 10:53.33 | cocaa_ | i can see the exported fs ... |
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| 10:55.44 | Guerin | no idea. |
| 10:55.48 | Guerin | !connection refused |
| 10:55.48 | dpkg | When a TCP connection (e.g. telnet somehost 80) gives the error "connection refused", it means that either the service in question is not running at all (apache has died), or that a firewall has rejected your SYN packet and sent back a rejection packet to you. It's a VERY CLEAR, EXPLICIT error message and ALWAYS means one of those two things. |
| 10:55.54 | Guerin | note ^^ |
| 10:55.58 | Guerin | ALWAYS |
| 10:57.12 | frosty_badfish | well it is the first time a try to configure a kernel and got a message that I don't have ncurses installed, but I installed libncurses5-dev, take a look here for more info: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/19285 |
| 10:57.12 | cocaa_ | hmm |
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| 10:58.39 | Guerin | frosty_badfish: if you're running ubuntu, ask in #ubuntu |
| 10:58.50 | Guerin | !info ncurses-dev |
| 10:58.56 | cocaa_ | Guerin: but i can make a telnet connection ... |
| 10:59.20 | Guerin | cocaa_: then something's fucked with the error message |
| 10:59.22 | frosty_badfish | Guerin: I did, but it is debian based isn't it? |
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| 10:59.38 | Guerin | cocaa_: you'd probably want to talk to some nfs specialists about this. |
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| 10:59.59 | Guerin | frosty_badfish: yes, but we don't know/care why/how it's broken |
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| 11:00.47 | Eulex | frosty_badfish, HINT: /bin/sh: gcc-3.3: command not found |
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| 11:01.58 | cocaa_ | Guerin: where ;) |
| 11:02.03 | cocaa_ | what channel ? |
| 11:02.36 | Guerin | cocaa_: #nfs? |
| 11:02.38 | Guerin | i dunno |
| 11:02.47 | frosty_badfish | Eulex: dpkg --search gcc gives me gcc-3.3-base and gcc-4.0-base |
| 11:02.54 | lord_rob | Hi ! I've ust updated my sid and now firefox renders crappy pages and crappy menu. There seems to be a problem with fonts :/ Do anyone have the same problem ? |
| 11:03.38 | Eulex | frosty_badfish, that only displays installed packages |
| 11:04.03 | Eulex | frosty_badfish, you prolly need to install build-essential. other than that, we can't help. |
| 11:04.37 | streuner | frosty_badfish: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
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| 11:05.09 | Eulex | streuner, yes, he's on ubuntu. thus I said "other than that, we can't help." |
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| 11:05.41 | LordElph | Anyone help get around this apt-get problem? http://pastebin.ca/108218 - I've lost sysvinit and can't seem to reinstall. Any magical incantations I can use here? |
| 11:05.56 | frosty_badfish | streuner: ii libc6 2.3.6-0ubuntu20 GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data |
| 11:05.56 | c|int | is enouf raound? |
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| 11:06.14 | streuner | frosty_badfish: so why do you ask here? |
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| 11:06.59 | Eulex | LordElph, so, you typed "yes, do it" when it told you that this would damage your system and asked you to enter a string? |
| 11:07.06 | frosty_badfish | streuner: because I thought someone can help me out, it is based on debian |
| 11:07.56 | Eulex | !ubuntusmite frosty_badfish |
| 11:08.01 | peterS | frosty_badfish: we can't help you with ubuntu problems. that is why they have a #ubuntu channel |
| 11:08.06 | streuner | frosty_badfish: any idea how many distros debian based?..., we can't help, keep in mind every distro have there own specific issues... (bugs) |
| 11:08.08 | LordElph | well, I've kind of inherited this problem, so I someone did I guess |
| 11:09.35 | streuner | frosty_badfish: just install debian and we can prolly help |
| 11:09.37 | frosty_badfish | :-) ok, well I will do a debian install and if I get the same problems I'll come back |
| 11:09.51 | streuner | fine |
| 11:10.07 | frosty_badfish | see ya within 15 minutes |
| 11:10.28 | Eulex | LordElph, interesting problem. you seem to have some packages from when sarge was testing and some packages from the current testing. |
| 11:10.35 | bytelock | Watching all this stuff scroll by makes me a linux expert! |
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| 11:11.27 | LordElph | Eulex - yes, it was set up using testing in March 2005, then another chap tried doing some upgrades a few weeks ago. Now it's fallen to me to sort out the mess |
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| 11:11.52 | Eulex | LordElph, what does dpkg -l libc6|tail -1 && apt-cache policy libc6|grep 500 output? |
| 11:12.17 | Eulex | LordElph, and could you pastebin your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 11:13.36 | LordElph | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/108228 |
| 11:14.15 | streuner | peterS: at work? |
| 11:14.21 | peterS | no |
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| 11:16.05 | Eulex | LordElph, ok, looks like an unfinished dist-upgrade. what happens if you try to do a dist-upgrade again? |
| 11:16.14 | brammator | how to copy initrd and kernel from install cd to harddisk (because default loading can't see raid)? just mount hd root partition, copy initrd&kernel, and run grub-install from chrooted hd partition? |
| 11:18.24 | cocaa_ | Guerin: doent exist |
| 11:18.29 | cocaa_ | Guerin: the channel |
| 11:18.40 | peterS | brammator: the install kernel + initrd isn't likely to work either. it relies on being able to later load modules from the CD after it runs hardware detection. it won't detect that it can do this from the disk. |
| 11:18.59 | LordElph | I get a warning about umnet dependancies, then apt-get -f dist-upgrade will eventually failed with "dpkg: `update-rc.d' not found on PATH" |
| 11:19.22 | brammator | peterS no, install cd recognizes my discs. installed on hd system isn't |
| 11:19.39 | peterS | brammator: then you aren't talking about debian-installer |
| 11:19.47 | peterS | brammator: as such, we don't have enough information to give you a reasonable answer |
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| 11:20.23 | brammator | peterS it's debian. maybe i'm wrong somewhere, but it is debian etch, installed 2.6.15-1-486 kernel&initrd |
| 11:20.23 | Eulex | LordElph, ouch. just so you know, this problem might be unresolveable. do you want us to continue anyway? the easier solution might be a reinstall. |
| 11:20.50 | sep | brammator, you mean the cd kenel find your raid, but the hd installed kerenl dont ? boot the cd normally. mount your drives under /target chroot to target, add the needed kernel module to /etc/mkinitrd/modules, recreate initrd |
| 11:20.50 | peterS | brammator: the debian installer initrd does not do what you describe. not without additional support from the other stuff on the CD. |
| 11:21.12 | LordElph | eek. damn thing is racked up in a datacentre. probably the best thing for it though |
| 11:21.51 | brammator | peterS ah, i see now. thanks. and how to recreate initrd from rescue? |
| 11:22.01 | peterS | brammator: try what sep says |
| 11:22.05 | sep | LordElph, how about debtakover ? |
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| 11:22.35 | peterS | brammator: of course he's being a bit vague, but we don't know the exact cause of your problem, either |
| 11:23.01 | LordElph | sep: I'll check it out, never tried that before |
| 11:23.08 | brammator | peterS sep's right. |
| 11:23.27 | brammator | sep can you help me a bit more with 're-create initrd'? |
| 11:23.46 | peterS | by 're-create initrd' he means 'dpkg-reconfigure kernel-image-whatever-you-have-installed' |
| 11:24.02 | brammator | thank you. |
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| 11:24.12 | Eulex | LordElph, what does apt-get install libc6-dev say? |
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| 11:24.36 | sep | brammator, peters said what i mean yes |
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| 11:24.51 | peterS | brammator: I guess your kernel image package is probably called linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 11:25.02 | lehmama | how can i specify a own package selection tasks for a automatic installation with the debian-installer |
| 11:25.03 | peterS | so, dpkg-reconfigure linux-image-2.6.15-1-486 |
| 11:25.43 | brammator | sep peterS yes and yes. thanks to you all. |
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| 11:27.07 | liable | lehmama: there was something about that sort of thing in dwn a couple of months ago. try going through the archives. |
| 11:27.57 | LordElph | Eulex: http://pastebin.ca/108239 |
| 11:28.50 | lehmama | whats dwn? |
| 11:28.55 | lehmama | a channel? |
| 11:28.57 | Eulex | !dwn |
| 11:28.57 | dpkg | Debian Weekly News at http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/ . You can also get it emailed to you weekly by subscribing to the debian-news list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-news/ or by sending an email with the subject 'subscribe' and no body to debian-news-request@lists.debian.org |
| 11:30.03 | Eulex | LordElph, seems like you've got some nasty cross-dependencies there. btw, when you got the error about update-rc.d before -- what package was it installing/configuring? |
| 11:31.01 | brammator | lehmama it's an 'unattended' installation. try to find by this word. |
| 11:31.19 | brammator | if i get you right. |
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| 11:32.41 | LordElph | Eulex: it appears to have been an attempt to dist-upgrade, but forcing it's way past some dependancy warnings, followed by attempts to correct it. While I've been looking it, attempts to install most packages usually fail because update-rc.d has gone and sysvinit can't be installed :) |
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| 11:34.44 | icee | OK, I have what is probably a really dumb question. I am migrating a debian system to a virtual machine, and have used dump/restore to move over the filesystems; I manually installed grub and built a new initrd |
| 11:34.48 | Eulex | LordElph, ouch, it was as I suspected. your only hope is to transfer an update-rc.d binary and everything it needs from another box (running an as similar as possible install of some distro, not necessarily debian, though), and pray that it works. |
| 11:34.49 | h4mm3r` | how can i remove a package without removing dependant one? |
| 11:34.59 | Eulex | h4mm3r`, you don't. |
| 11:35.10 | h4mm3r` | do i have to remove everything? |
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| 11:35.16 | icee | Now things ALMOST work.. but all user attempts to login fail; I have tried strace-ing su, and everything results in EACCES (exec'ing /bin/sh, etc) |
| 11:35.35 | icee | I have checked permissions on all directories, including the root (ls -ald /) and they are correct (rwxr-xr-x) |
| 11:35.35 | Eulex | h4mm3r`, yes. if foo depends on bar, you can't remove bar withough removing foo. |
| 11:35.38 | LordElph | Eulex: thanks very much for taking a look. I think a complete re-install is in order! |
| 11:35.47 | h4mm3r` | thx |
| 11:35.59 | icee | Anyone have any idea what it is? |
| 11:36.25 | Eulex | LordElph, yw :) |
| 11:36.38 | Eulex | h4mm3r`, that said, what's your real question/problem? |
| 11:37.21 | h4mm3r` | Eulex: i've to remove postfix package .. but it's saying to me that i've to remove mysql-server too |
| 11:37.24 | h4mm3r` | and i can't do that |
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| 11:38.01 | icee | is that a no? ;) |
| 11:38.12 | Mora | Hello |
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| 11:38.29 | Mora | Any networking gurus around? I'm trying to find a way to exploit interfaces file so I can set wireless options on an interface, while /not/ configuring it's IP address? (as it part of a bridge) |
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| 11:39.22 | liable | h4mm3r`: you need an mta, if you must remove postfix, take a look at equivs package. /msg dpkg equivs |
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| 11:39.33 | fluxdude | what would you guys recommend as the best mailing list software to run on linux for an internal company mailing list? |
| 11:40.03 | h4mm3r` | liable: i've already installed exim4. so i've an mta ... maybe it's better if i put mysql-server in hold status, don't i? |
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| 11:40.41 | icee | ah, nevermind,i found it |
| 11:40.43 | icee | thanks |
| 11:41.01 | frosty_badfish | I've installed a debian based system now but wihout the d, now I've no problem to get in the kernel menuconfig |
| 11:41.10 | liable | h4mm3r`: paste your apt output |
| 11:42.09 | h4mm3r` | can i do that here, directly? |
| 11:42.13 | liable | no |
| 11:42.22 | h4mm3r` | i'm gonna use pastebin |
| 11:42.25 | h4mm3r` | wait a sec pls |
| 11:42.33 | brammator | if 'mount /var' says '/dev/mapper/somegroup-somelogvolume is not a valid block device', which module should i load? |
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| 11:44.13 | Mora | brammator, do you have such entry in /dev? |
| 11:44.20 | Mora | if not, dm-mod |
| 11:44.43 | brammator | dm-mod, thanks you very much! |
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| 11:45.37 | h4mm3r` | liable: http://pastebin.com/760068 |
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| 11:46.31 | brammator | Mora i don't have such entry even after modprobe dm-mod. do i need to initialize LVM somehow? |
| 11:46.48 | brammator | i have /dev/mapper/control only |
| 11:46.53 | Mora | vgchange -a y |
| 11:47.14 | Mora | or vgscan && vgchange -a y if you're using LVM1 |
| 11:47.47 | Mora | (which I highly doubt, given you're using 2.6 series kernel }:> ) |
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| 11:48.32 | Davo_Dinkum | Does debian run well |
| 11:48.35 | Davo_Dinkum | oops |
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| 11:48.49 | Mora | heh |
| 11:48.57 | Ronin | that a trick quesiton Davo_Dinkum ? |
| 11:49.03 | Davo_Dinkum | on a FUJITSU LT P-600? |
| 11:49.08 | brammator | Mora thank you, it helps. |
| 11:49.25 | Mora | You're welcome }:> |
| 11:49.27 | Davo_Dinkum | *end of quesion* |
| 11:49.31 | liable | h4mm3r`: hrm, mysql-server doesnt depend on postfix. |
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| 11:49.48 | h4mm3r` | maybe it's postfix that depends on it |
| 11:49.55 | h4mm3r` | anyway i removed postfix by using dpkg -r |
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| 11:50.38 | Mora | Davo_Dinkum, point us to some specs page and we /may/ be able to suggest an answer. |
| 11:51.12 | Mora | Davo_Dinkum, Otherwise, if you want a clear yes/no answer, send a sample to one of Debian developers }:> |
| 11:51.47 | fireba11 | i'm having problems with the d-i ... am trying to set up software raid with it ... i'm using the installer with 2.6.16 kernel though ... i used to make partitions with type "physical volume for RAID" and then going for the "configure software RAID" but it complains no partitions of type "Linux RAID Autodetect" were found .. hwoever there is no such type i could select... ?? |
| 11:51.50 | Davo_Dinkum | ebay ad: http://tinyurl.com/g3sbj |
| 11:52.25 | brammator | sep is there any differences if i don't have /etc/mkinitrd/ folder, but have /etc/mkinitramfs/modules ? i think no, but.. |
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| 11:53.14 | sep | brammator, they do the same thig the latter replaced the first |
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| 11:54.01 | brammator | sep ok, thanks |
| 11:55.34 | Mora | fireba11, you're supposed to make several partitions (presumably on different disks) of the type "Linux Raid" then fire up the configurator. |
| 11:56.04 | fireba11 | mora i know i did this bevore ... |
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| 11:56.29 | fireba11 | mora i did set up partitions with type "physical volume for RAID" on all disks |
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| 11:56.59 | Mora | Oh.. |
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| 12:07.17 | seeds | how can i burn a bin and cue file to dvd in debian? |
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| 12:10.22 | fluxdude | I want to script an sftp session but as far as I can see there is no way of supplying the password on the command line and the server isn't under my control so ssh keys are out of the question... any ideas? |
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| 12:18.39 | shinobi2 | hello? |
| 12:18.47 | jason | we're all dead |
| 12:18.47 | RvGaTe | is that a question? |
| 12:18.50 | shinobi2 | where's all the debians? |
| 12:19.03 | RvGaTe | hmm, probably not in #debian |
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| 12:19.34 | shinobi2 | did all debians switched to ubuntu? used to be 900 people here, now it's about 500 |
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| 12:20.43 | cydork | shinobi2: /msg dpkg irc.debian.org |
| 12:21.13 | cydork | shinobi2: still you can find most here. |
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| 12:22.53 | roym | I see that you can edit a grub config entry and reboot with the |
| 12:22.54 | roym | changes. Is it possible to save the changes to the underlying file |
| 12:22.54 | roym | (menu.lst) before rebooting? |
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| 12:25.27 | cydork | roym: menu.lst is normal text file. so you can do that. |
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| 12:25.58 | shinobi2 | cydork: irc.debian.org #debian has like sixty people there. |
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| 12:26.36 | roym | cydork: I meant that in grub, I tweak the file and save changes right away, not |
| 12:26.39 | sep | shinobi2, you mean 306 |
| 12:26.43 | roym | wait until I boot |
| 12:26.52 | cydork | shinobi2: that's why i said you can find most of them here. |
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| 12:26.57 | shinobi2 | sep: yes, sorry |
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| 12:27.23 | roym | grub> help has a 'cat' command, but no save... |
| 12:27.52 | plasmab | what is the best way to get a boot up splash screen on 2.4.27? |
| 12:27.56 | plasmab | lpp? or? |
| 12:28.09 | shinobi2 | what is debian like comparing to ubuntu? i just installed ubuntu |
| 12:28.39 | roym | plasmab: have you considered grub? |
| 12:29.02 | plasmab | roym, grub supports that? cool... got it in already... rtfms |
| 12:29.29 | roym | shinobi2: ubuntu is built on debian - just configured nicely. |
| 12:29.58 | SerajewelKS | shinobi2: ubuntu is debian tailored for duesktops, kinda |
| 12:30.04 | SerajewelKS | desktops too |
| 12:30.13 | sep | shinobi2, ubuntu is a subset of debian sid that have passed thru it's own stabilizing process. iow, ubuntu release often, nop matter what. and they manage this becouse they support fewer packages and fewer archs, |
| 12:30.28 | sep | and utterly useless for me :) |
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| 12:31.16 | shinobi2 | ah... ic. |
| 12:32.11 | frosty_badfish | !kernel |
| 12:32.12 | shinobi2 | there's like 14 ISO for debian, kind of scary if i want to try out every single packages |
| 12:32.13 | dpkg | Linux kernel versions, stable: 2.6.17.7, prepatch: 2.6.18-rc3, 2.4: 2.4.32, prepatch: 2.4.33-rc3, 2.2: 2.2.26, prepatch: 2.2.27-rc2, -mm patch: 2.6.18-rc2-mm1 |
| 12:32.20 | syntaxx | how to check the most load in my process? my cpu is 99% |
| 12:32.44 | roym | syntaxx: type 'top' |
| 12:33.35 | cydork | shinobi2: for normal user first 5 cds are enough |
| 12:33.46 | cydork | shinobi2: or the first dvd! |
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| 12:34.07 | syntaxx | what is festival-synthe? i killed it and it my load goes down |
| 12:34.50 | sep | syntaxx, festival is a text to speach syntezicer iirc. nowonder it's a load hog :) |
| 12:34.55 | sep | if you dont need it dont run it. |
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| 12:35.31 | syntaxx | sep, i didnt run it |
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| 12:36.13 | sep | it was running,. and you killed it. it's probably started at boot |
| 12:36.24 | roym | syntaxx: your startup sequence loaded it: look in /etc/rc[23].d/ for a festival symlink and remove it. |
| 12:36.57 | roym | or better: update-rc.d -f festival remove |
| 12:37.31 | roym | well, use "festival*" |
| 12:37.36 | Morydd | where can I find more information about this error: # mount grendel | mount: Protocol not supported |
| 12:37.39 | syntaxx | hmm i wonder why it runs |
| 12:37.51 | syntaxx | it just after running vmware and install fbsd |
| 12:37.58 | syntaxx | and my load is very huge |
| 12:38.08 | Morydd | client is running unstable, server is stable. |
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| 12:40.22 | Coke | Hello. Trying to compile a program claiming that Qt is not installed. I have installed libqt3-mt, but the libqt3-dev is split up into several other packages that "replaces it". What packages do I need to compile software using Qt3? This is a jungle. |
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| 12:40.53 | syntaxx | roym, anyway im plannin to remove that festival thing but how do i know which package it depends? |
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| 12:42.49 | roym | syntaxx: dpkg -l | grep festival; apt-get remove festival* |
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| 12:44.20 | cydork | syntaxx: apt-cache depends festival |
| 12:44.30 | cydork | syntaxx: Or apt-repends festival |
| 12:44.44 | syntaxx | ok thanks |
| 12:44.47 | sep | syntaxx, apt-cache rdepensd festival |
| 12:44.52 | sep | rdepends |
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| 12:48.57 | roym | my X setup is broken - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common didn't help - |
| 12:48.57 | roym | However, I knoppix runs beautifully. Is there a way to extract/grab |
| 12:48.57 | roym | knoppix's configuration and use that in my stock debian? |
| 12:50.05 | RvGaTe | roym, can you revert the original config ? |
| 12:50.16 | roym | how would I do that? |
| 12:50.19 | cydork | roym: etch or sarge? |
| 12:50.27 | roym | I'm using etch. |
| 12:50.59 | cydork | roym: then copy xorg.conf |
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| 12:51.30 | roym | cydork: and I guess lsmod needs to be looked at? |
| 12:51.54 | RvGaTe | roym, could you pastebin your xorg.conf ? |
| 12:52.01 | lunitik | roym: you dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg by the way, not common |
| 12:52.23 | cydork | lunitik: <roym> my X setup is broken - dpkg-reconfigure xserver-common didn't help |
| 12:52.38 | RvGaTe | ... |
| 12:52.38 | roym | RvGaTe: I'm not at that machine a the moment. |
| 12:52.44 | cydork | lunitik: Dont ask me why :P |
| 12:52.54 | lunitik | cydork: thats exactly the statement I'm talking about... xserver-common wouldn't do shit |
| 12:53.17 | roym | lunitik: that helps - thanks. |
| 12:53.22 | cydork | roym: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 12:54.13 | cydork | lunitik: i never imagined that it was xserver-common he was trying to reconfigure !! |
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| 12:55.58 | lunitik | roym: Knoppix uses a special kudzu for hardware configuration... might be an idea to use kudzu on debian too though... |
| 12:56.55 | lunitik | Although, udev is supposed to handle most of its job... it'd get you closer to knoppix... |
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| 12:59.42 | roym | lunitik: isn |
| 12:59.51 | roym | isn't discover the way to go? |
| 13:00.15 | azeem | no, udev is the way to go |
| 13:00.23 | Flakk | hello people, I have an nvidia graphic card, and would like to install the nvidia linux driver, since the vesa one does not do the best job. I have the sarge debian, and the rpm driver from the nvidia. what should i do now? |
| 13:00.31 | cydork | azeem: :) |
| 13:00.37 | azeem | !nvidea on-liner |
| 13:00.39 | azeem | eh |
| 13:00.41 | azeem | !nvidea one-liner |
| 13:00.44 | azeem | !nvidea one liner |
| 13:00.47 | azeem | blah. |
| 13:00.47 | ktwilight | nvidia? |
| 13:00.49 | cydork | Flakk: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 13:00.52 | cydork | :P |
| 13:00.54 | azeem | ktwilight: :P |
| 13:00.58 | ktwilight | :) |
| 13:01.04 | Flakk | cydork thanx. why ONE LINER?? |
| 13:01.15 | ktwilight | 'cuz it's easier Flakk |
| 13:01.23 | cydork | Flakk: Coz it's POSSIBLE IN ONE LINE!!! |
| 13:01.28 | Flakk | oh ic |
| 13:01.32 | ktwilight | speaking of nvidia, i just had a hard time gettin' nvidia module to work...heh |
| 13:01.40 | ktwilight | doh! i forgot to note down too |
| 13:03.08 | Slapp | need help error when installing |
| 13:03.41 | lunitik | roym: discover and kudzu are means to the same end... one done by progeny for debian based systems, the other done by redhat... |
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| 13:03.42 | Flakk | cydork: well in the procedure kindly described by dpkg, there is no mention about the firmware driver. does it mean that debian has its own nvidia driver, which the procedure will call? |
| 13:03.54 | Morydd | anyone able to help me troubleshoot an NFS mount. I'm getting "mount: Protocol not supported". Following troubleshooting in nfs-howto shows nothing out of ordinary that I can find. |
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| 13:04.38 | lunitik | roym: kudzu is widely regarded as the better method... but progeny is closer to debian... |
| 13:04.55 | nrdb | I have just installed skype does anyone know how to test if the calls are being done directly or being bounced of another computer? |
| 13:05.03 | cydork | Flakk: that's the debian way!! |
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| 13:05.34 | Flakk | cydork: you mean i do not need to go get nvidia linux drivers from their site or wherevr? |
| 13:05.41 | cydork | !kudzu |
| 13:05.41 | dpkg | hmm... kudzu is redhat's hardware autodetection and configuration program, which runs each boot to check for and configure any changed hardware on the system. a dip shit, or another word for 'dirty kludge', and a noxious vine which smothers everything it touches. You have been warned. |
| 13:05.50 | cydork | Flakk: nope :P |
| 13:06.10 | Coke | I have a configure script that keeps telling me "no GL library found", even though I have both Mesa and nvidia's libraries installed. What directories should I tell the script to look in? |
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| 13:06.14 | fourat | since an self-ran upgrade, my debian server wont print pages with cups, i setted the debug to log files and here what i got : http://pastebin.ca/108342 (I didnt knew where is the error) please can you help me ? |
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| 13:06.19 | Tomze | but you can... if you want ti Flakk |
| 13:06.52 | cydork | Flakk: but debian way is better!! |
| 13:07.03 | Tomze | cydork: bahhh :P |
| 13:07.07 | cydork | Coke: etch?? |
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| 13:08.00 | Flakk | cydork; btw when i choose the "nv" or "nvidia" driver while configuring the xserver, the xserver does not work at all. is this normal? |
| 13:08.19 | lunitik | Flakk: I think you can answer that yourself |
| 13:08.33 | Coke | cydork: yep |
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| 13:09.09 | cydork | Coke: Read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-efb11c2ded8b912df5e976aa3b5b4956edd87d6a |
| 13:09.17 | Coke | Flakk: which one do you want to use then? the free or the non-free? |
| 13:09.20 | lunitik | !tell Flakk about nvidia-graphics-drivers |
| 13:09.37 | Coke | cydork: that didn't show up on google when I searched for "no GL library found". |
| 13:09.43 | lunitik | Flakk: follow the link dpkg just gave you... from "non-free"... |
| 13:09.46 | fourat | since an self-ran upgrade, my debian server wont print pages with cups, i setted the debug to log files and here what i got : http://pastebin.ca/108342 (I didnt knew where is the error) please can you help me ? |
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| 13:09.55 | Tomze | if you install nvidia drivers "the debian way" does the nvidia utility-thingy still want to edit xconf? |
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| 13:10.15 | Flakk | coke: oh i do not know i would like to have the best one of course :)) |
| 13:10.45 | Flakk | !tell Flakk about opera |
| 13:10.55 | lunitik | Flakk: /msg the bots |
| 13:11.11 | lunitik | Flakk: tell is so we can send faqs to each other ;) |
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| 13:11.15 | Coke | Flakk: "best" |
| 13:11.50 | Coke | Flakk: best at what? the non-free is nvidia's own driver which makes it very optimized for their hardware, on the other hand it is not free. |
| 13:12.13 | Coke | Flakk: and as such I find it more buggy. |
| 13:12.22 | Flakk | coke: i do not need the 3d stuff, but will need the maximal possible resolition and will insist on the movies quality |
| 13:12.29 | Flakk | these are requirements |
| 13:12.37 | fireba11 | Coke: i just hope with AMD buying ATI the ati driver will > open source ... |
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| 13:14.01 | Coke | fireba11: ATI is even worse at the moment. nvidia has almost a decade head start of making Linux the premium 3D hardware platform. |
| 13:14.32 | Coke | fireba11: also, unlike ATI, nvidia prides itself in the fact that they provide Linux and Mac users with the best hardware and drivers. |
| 13:14.50 | lunitik | Coke: hopefully that will soon be changing... AMD is part of OSDL etc... |
| 13:14.50 | wdamn | Hi, which package contains the httpd command line tool? |
| 13:15.08 | lunitik | wdamn: there are a few things that provide that... |
| 13:15.12 | zamuro | wdamn: apache. |
| 13:15.20 | Coke | lunitik: how is AMD a part of this equation? |
| 13:15.32 | lunitik | Coke: they just acquired ATI? |
| 13:15.44 | Coke | yes, but the problem lies within licensing to third party manufacturers. |
| 13:15.45 | wdamn | zamuro: I've got apache2 installed but no httpd command... |
| 13:16.12 | Flakk | cydork: I checked the dpkg's message about nvidia drivers it says though that fot this procedure the non free sources are needed. I thought glx is a free drv? |
| 13:16.20 | Coke | lunitik: I'm sure ATI and nvidia both wouldn't mind open sourcing their drivers, but licenses to other manufacturers requires them not to disclose certain things. |
| 13:16.53 | lunitik | Coke: we'll see if things change I suppose... |
| 13:17.08 | Coke | cydork: dude. those instructions are huge. isn't there a simple way for me to compile a software that requires nvidias libraries when I know they are installed? |
| 13:17.16 | Coke | cydork: no variable to set? |
| 13:17.20 | lunitik | Coke: in a few years, seems GPU's and graphics cards will be effectively obsolete anyways |
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| 13:17.38 | cydork | Flakk: nvidia drivers are prop. not free. |
| 13:18.07 | Coke | cydork: I'm not in the process of rebuilding my entire system just to make one configure script understand where the library is. |
| 13:19.17 | cydork | Coke: nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from [WWW] http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php |
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| 13:19.41 | Flakk | cydork, ok i guess i understand now will try |
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| 13:20.15 | cydork | lunitik: it's not Debian's fault, It's not opensource!!! |
| 13:20.47 | Coke | Sure it is a Debian problem. |
| 13:20.52 | kromagg | as far as I can tell the nvidia packages are still in debian |
| 13:20.59 | Coke | New features in etch obviously broke backwards compability. |
| 13:21.02 | kromagg | or in the non-free section at least |
| 13:21.06 | Coke | Never had any problems before and nvidia didn't change anything. |
| 13:21.41 | kromagg | oh testing |
| 13:21.42 | lunitik | kromagg: yes... but all they do is fetch proprietary crap afaik... thats like saying flash is in the archive... all thats there is a ruby script that fetches flash |
| 13:21.43 | Coke | And considering this configure script works well on slackware and fedora it sure is a Debian problem. |
| 13:22.00 | Coke | But anybody running non-stable versions of Debian should expect problems. |
| 13:22.11 | kromagg | lunitik: no the stable packages are the complete drivers, so are the sid versions I think |
| 13:22.16 | Coke | Better to find problems and fix them in unstable and testing than in stable. |
| 13:23.04 | lunitik | Coke: actually, its more likely to work in Sid and Etch... because drivers are newer etc... |
| 13:23.55 | Tomze | sh NVIDIA-Linux-x86-1.0-8174-pkg1.run --x-module-path=/usr/lib/xorg/modules/ Thats it... screw the debian way ;) |
| 13:24.22 | lunitik | Tomze: please don't tell people that... make your own choices... but don't recommend that in here |
| 13:24.46 | lunitik | Tomze: we can't support the nvidia way... so unless you want to support people using that method, shut up |
| 13:24.53 | Tomze | lunitik: but i just dont get why you people are so happy about installing nvidia the debian way |
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| 13:25.03 | azeem | lunitik: shut up is a bit hars |
| 13:25.04 | azeem | h |
| 13:25.10 | azeem | Tomze: because we support it |
| 13:25.20 | lunitik | azeem: you want to help him support the nvidia way? |
| 13:25.28 | azeem | no |
| 13:25.33 | azeem | I want you to be less harsh |
| 13:25.41 | lunitik | azeem: then its not harsh |
| 13:25.46 | Tomze | azeem: do yu really?... i bet if someone came here with nvidia problems you would scream out that its not open source |
| 13:25.47 | azeem | eh, ti is |
| 13:26.02 | azeem | Tomze: we don't |
| 13:26.08 | lunitik | Tomze: we can help with the Debian way... we can't help with the nvidia way |
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| 13:26.19 | Tomze | aha.. okay then |
| 13:26.20 | dn4 | "If you ain't careful, sex can lead to sum terrible fings, like erpies, scrot rot, and maybe efen sumthin called a relationship!" <-- Ali G |
| 13:26.33 | lunitik | !sex |
| 13:26.33 | dpkg | updatedb; locate; talk; date; cd; strip; look; touch; finger; unzip; uptime; gawk; head; apt-get install condom; mount; fsck; gasp; more; yes; yes; yes; more; umount; apt-get remove --purge condom; make clean; sleep |
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| 13:26.57 | dn4 | lunitik, LOL |
| 13:27.17 | azeem | dn4: do you have a Debian question, or want to do Debian support? |
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| 13:27.55 | dn4 | yes yes azeem my jack keeps crashing due to xruns any ideas? |
| 13:29.22 | dn4 | me too what is xruns |
| 13:29.50 | lunitik | dn4: you're the one that brought it up... care to be a little more specific with your question? |
| 13:30.19 | lunitik | dn4: include exact errors, etc |
| 13:30.28 | Coke | lunitik: well, the configure scripts say I have no GL libraries. |
| 13:30.32 | Coke | go figure. |
| 13:31.02 | dn4 | cannot use real-time scheduling (FIFO at priority 9) [for thread -1227224144, from thread -1227224144] (1: Operation not permitted) |
| 13:31.02 | dn4 | 08:29:59.203 XRUN callback (1). |
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| 13:31.32 | dn4 | cannot send request type 7 to server |
| 13:31.32 | dn4 | cannot read result for request type 7 from server (Broken pipe) |
| 13:31.35 | lunitik | Coke: did you follow http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-ba6a83e61cea90c0e3e5e9d7b014618e35f65ec3 ? |
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| 13:32.37 | lunitik | Coke: specifically the module-assistant method... |
| 13:32.59 | lunitik | dn4: sorry, I've never seen that |
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| 13:34.14 | vick | When i run any song in xmms, i get 'error please check your soundcard is configured properly, no other program is using your soundcard' |
| 13:34.17 | alienn | Hi. Has anyone successfully used the "ckpasswd" programm of inn2 with the "-d" option? I always get "invalid option" errors. The source code and the man page define this paramert... |
| 13:34.30 | cydork | dn4: which kernel? |
| 13:34.37 | lunitik | Coke: especially take notice of the Note at the bottem of that section, its the most common reason for things going wrong... |
| 13:35.33 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:35.48 | cydork | dn4: read http://jackaudio.org/faq |
| 13:35.52 | dn4 | #5 PREEMPT Thu Jul 27 10:35:45 CDT 2006 i686 GNU |
| 13:36.15 | vick | heh. |
| 13:36.23 | vick | Anybody had a simmiliar problem ? |
| 13:36.27 | Coke | lunitik: I don't have any problems loading the module. |
| 13:36.35 | dn4 | vick, make sure xmms is using alsa drivers |
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| 13:36.39 | dn4 | the run alsaconf as root |
| 13:36.44 | dn4 | shoudl be gravy after that |
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| 13:37.41 | hjubal | hi |
| 13:37.42 | fourat | since an self-ran upgrade, my debian server wont print pages with cups, i setted the debug to log files and here what i got : http://pastebin.ca/108342 (I didnt knew where is the error) please can you help me ? |
| 13:37.52 | Coke | My problem is that the configure script says I have no GL libraries installed which I do, they came with the nvidia installer. |
| 13:38.01 | Coke | How can I make the configure script understand where they are? |
| 13:38.18 | lunitik | Coke: that is a symtom of the note at the bottem of the section I linked you |
| 13:38.42 | Flakk | cydork: hello, I have made all the steps for installing nvidia. nopw reconfiguring the xserver. which driver should I choose? nv or nvidia? (glx not present) ? |
| 13:38.51 | alienn | In which irc channel can I ask questions about inn2 and ckpasswd? |
| 13:39.00 | cydork | Flakk: nvidia |
| 13:39.03 | lunitik | Flakk: nvidia if all went well |
| 13:39.32 | Flakk | cydork, lunitik; well everything went well, some warning were iseeued though |
| 13:39.34 | Coke | lunitik: I'm not using legacy drivers. |
| 13:40.02 | lunitik | Coke: grrr... the note states you have to use same gcc version for kernel and module... |
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| 13:40.15 | vick | dn4, Can't find alsaconf |
| 13:40.20 | Flakk | cydork: shoud i worry about the bus ids of the card? normally i leav these bklank |
| 13:40.25 | lunitik | vick: its obsolete... |
| 13:40.27 | Coke | lunitik: I am. the module LOADS FINE |
| 13:40.27 | dn4 | vick, make sure your root |
| 13:40.31 | vick | dn4, tried to search for a package by that name |
| 13:40.38 | vick | lunitik, What's the one used now ? |
| 13:40.45 | dn4 | vick, apt-get install alsa-utils |
| 13:40.50 | vick | did that. |
| 13:40.53 | lunitik | vick: you shouldn't need to use alsaconf at all |
| 13:41.01 | Coke | lunitik: let me explain it a third time; module loads, Xorg works fine, my games work fine, but compiling software that requires the GL libraries does NOT work because they can't find them. |
| 13:41.06 | vick | lunitik, xmms isn't playing songs |
| 13:41.17 | vick | i tried to configure 'alsa' output driver |
| 13:41.19 | vick | in xmms |
| 13:41.31 | lunitik | Coke: maybe you need mesa's -dev packages? |
| 13:41.37 | Coke | lunitik: installed already. |
| 13:41.45 | Flakk | lunitik: how can you get around the alsaconf? under my etch there is no sound without alsaconf |
| 13:41.48 | lunitik | vick: you can play sounds elsewhere? |
| 13:41.48 | Coke | lunitik: and I don't want to use Mesa, I want to use the nvidia glx libs. |
| 13:42.00 | Coke | lunitik: do you have any advice that is applicable to my situation? |
| 13:42.15 | lunitik | Coke: I guess not |
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| 13:42.43 | Coke | Does this mean I have to compile the software on Slackware and copy the binaries to my debian box... |
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| 13:42.56 | vick | lunitik, i can play songs with mplayer |
| 13:43.14 | lunitik | vick: then your sound is fine... no need to use alsaconf |
| 13:43.21 | lunitik | vick: using a sound daemon? |
| 13:43.31 | lunitik | vick: older kernel that 2.6.16? |
| 13:43.35 | lunitik | than* |
| 13:43.40 | vick | lunitik, i dont even know, i get confused about the diffrence between sound driver, sound daemon, etc.. |
| 13:43.48 | vick | lunitik, No |
| 13:43.57 | lunitik | vick: is esd or arts installed? |
| 13:43.57 | vick | lunitik, oh wait |
| 13:43.58 | cydork | lunitik: what is the diffence between them?? |
| 13:44.05 | vick | lunitik, Yes, 2.6.15 |
| 13:44.22 | lunitik | cydork: two different sound daemons.... or you mean driver and sound daemon? |
| 13:44.44 | vick | lunitik, arts is not installed |
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| 13:44.56 | lunitik | Driver = access your card ... Sound Daemons provide crap cards with software mixing... |
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| 13:45.07 | lunitik | vick: esd? |
| 13:45.20 | vick | lunitik, can't even find any package called esd or any description |
| 13:45.23 | cydork | lunitik: i meant kernel 2.6.15 and 2.6.16 |
| 13:45.30 | lunitik | vick: ps -e | grep esd |
| 13:45.32 | Coke | cydork: hey, nvidia-glx is removed from etch, how the heck do I compile things that require a GL library in etch? |
| 13:45.47 | lunitik | nvidia-common |
| 13:45.50 | vick | lunitik, Nothing. |
| 13:46.22 | vick | lunitik, no /dev/dsp also if that has any significance |
| 13:46.35 | lunitik | vick: using gnome or kde? 'ps -e | grep artsd' returns nothing either? then xmms should work with alsa driver |
| 13:46.39 | cydork | <cydork> Coke: Read http://wiki.debian.org/NvidiaGraphicsDrivers#head-efb11c2ded8b912df5e976aa3b5b4956edd87d6a |
| 13:46.57 | Coke | cydork: it specifically says to "apt-get install nvidia-glx" |
| 13:47.01 | vick | lunitik, fluxbox |
| 13:47.11 | vick | lunitik, i have almost all kde stuff as well as gnome |
| 13:47.33 | vick | lunitik, no artsd running either. |
| 13:47.44 | lunitik | vick: hmm... then yeah... should work with alsa.... |
| 13:48.01 | vick | lunitik, what's special about alsa ? |
| 13:48.04 | lunitik | vick: lsof /dev/dsp if it still doesn't |
| 13:48.11 | cydork | Coke: it says nvidia-graphics-drivers was removed from testing. Try getting the necessary files from [WWW] http://people.debian.org/~rdonald/index.php Use something less than the -3 version of the 8756 driver to not have the dependency on Xorg 7. |
| 13:48.12 | Coke | cydork: the module is loaded, my glx works fine, just that Debian seems to be completely uncompatible with what configure scripts assume about a systems GL libraries. |
| 13:48.25 | vick | lunitik, it worked now, heh. |
| 13:48.25 | lunitik | vick: its the direct kernel sound method... arts and esd sit on top of that |
| 13:48.33 | vick | lunitik, is it decent ? |
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| 13:48.49 | lunitik | vick: alsa? its better than what we had in 2.4 for sure |
| 13:48.56 | lunitik | vick: getting better all the time too imo |
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| 13:49.11 | lunitik | OSS was a pita |
| 13:49.16 | vick | OSS is bad ? |
| 13:49.18 | Coke | cydork: yeah, OK, but the nvidia installer already installed the libraries AND the headers, can't I tell Debian to use those? |
| 13:49.25 | lunitik | vick: I don't like it... |
| 13:49.31 | vick | What i really hate |
| 13:49.45 | lunitik | Coke: we don't support the nvidia method... ask #nvidia or something |
| 13:49.46 | cydork | Coke: there is some dependacy problem like that. |
| 13:49.46 | vick | is all the crappy video player front ends. |
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| 13:50.09 | lunitik | vick: kmplayer is nice imo |
| 13:50.41 | vick | lunitik, haven't checked it, i will take a look |
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| 13:50.54 | lunitik | As is kaffeine... although I can't get xine to play DVD's :/ |
| 13:51.40 | Coke | lunitik: all other distributions (including older versions of Debian) could manage this, now they've decided to break backwards compability with the world. |
| 13:52.11 | lunitik | !nvidia |
| 13:52.12 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 13:52.29 | LordBrain | what do you really need in a video player front end? as long as you have play,rewind,forward, and fullscreen |
| 13:52.41 | abrotman | because it's not pretty? |
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| 13:53.19 | lunitik | Coke: linux has no stable api... and nvidia won't open their drivers... so things break often for them... its also illegal for them to even distribute the drivers... fun stuff huh? |
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| 13:53.50 | Coke | lunitik: AH! Interresting. It talks about the kernel module which already works FINE and then it tells me to use the nvidia-glx and nvidia-glx-dev, which both are removed from etch. Very useful. |
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| 13:53.56 | bush | id be less concerned with the video player ui and more concerned with the VIDEO. |
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| 13:54.15 | lunitik | Coke: thats for legacy drivers... |
| 13:54.16 | LordBrain | yeah i second that bush |
| 13:54.21 | Coke | lunitik: I'll say this one LAST time: the kernel works fine! |
| 13:54.34 | abrotman | shocker .. nvidia is broken |
| 13:54.36 | Coke | the problem is the that the user-space libraries aren't found. |
| 13:54.47 | Coke | even though they obviously are installed or no games would work. |
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| 13:54.55 | LordBrain | i like mplayer on i386 and xine on powerpc... |
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| 13:55.28 | vick | lunitik, How do you make your host like that ? |
| 13:55.32 | Coke | And trying to convince an autoconf script to do as I say and stop assuming is damn near impossible. |
| 13:55.37 | Coke | lunitik: I use etch. |
| 13:55.41 | Coke | lunitik: and I don't use the legacy driver. |
| 13:55.42 | lunitik | vick: ask #freenode to give you a mask |
| 13:55.51 | vick | k. |
| 13:56.04 | lunitik | vick: have to wait for them to voice you first though... |
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| 13:56.30 | lunitik | vick: also, you can pay so you get a neat one like abrotman's ;) |
| 13:56.38 | abrotman | some of us have jobs ... |
| 13:56.54 | vick | lunitik, They take much time to voice people ? |
| 13:57.02 | abrotman | well .. right now i do |
| 13:57.07 | lunitik | vick: most I've waited is like 30 mins |
| 13:57.13 | abrotman | vick: it depends .. some days yes .. some days no |
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| 13:57.36 | Phroziac | heya |
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| 13:59.20 | Phroziac | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-woody.en.html makes it look like i'm supposed to have sources for stable, testing, and unstable if i want to upgrade to unstable. o_O |
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| 13:59.28 | lunitik | vick: just join, and wait till your irc client tells you your nick was highlighted there... |
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| 13:59.56 | vick | lunitik, i am there already and LordBrain came too , heh |
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| 14:00.33 | LordBrain | you have to have a mask specially handed to you? |
| 14:00.34 | vick | If am coding something, will they give me mask about it ? |
| 14:00.38 | lunitik | Phroziac: its a woody document... docs recommend stable because it was the only branch that had security before... |
| 14:01.01 | Phroziac | lunitik: ok. so i just need testing or unstable then? |
| 14:01.09 | Phroziac | and heh, i shoulda noticed the woody. |
| 14:01.15 | lunitik | Phroziac: due to this being a public debian channel, I recommend pinning so you can use etch security with unstable, and stuff |
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| 14:02.03 | lunitik | LordBrain: read the freenode faq on the subject... they won't help you if you don't |
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| 14:03.38 | Phroziac | also, how unstable is unstable, compared to testing, and what about compared to windows? |
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| 14:03.56 | lunitik | abrotman: care to help me out with where in the docs it talks about getting a mask, I forget, and can't find it right now :( |
| 14:03.59 | Ronin | Phroziac: its not called unstable for nothing, but it varies to be honest |
| 14:04.07 | signuts | I am having a heck of a time getting phpmyadmin installed from source. It says "Cannot load mysql extension" |
| 14:04.27 | signuts | I have the extension installed! |
| 14:04.32 | Phroziac | Ronin: yeah, but also i know that nobody's going to commit anything to it thats *REALLY* bad. ....like i probably would. |
| 14:04.46 | Phroziac | but i assume debian has better developers than I. |
| 14:04.56 | Ronin | Phroziac: oh it happens on a regular basis where things break badly |
| 14:05.07 | Phroziac | Ronin: ok. |
| 14:05.09 | Ronin | or rather its not uncommon to be more precise |
| 14:05.20 | Alphax | Hrm. What should I use to burn a debian iso? |
| 14:05.26 | Ronin | Alphax: what os? |
| 14:05.42 | Ronin | Alphax: just pick your burning software and burn as image to disk |
| 14:05.46 | Alphax | Ronin, SUSE 10.0 or XP |
| 14:05.57 | abrotman | lunitik: at fn? |
| 14:06.05 | lunitik | Phroziac: most things in Sid are stable upstream... but you really should apt-get install apt-listbugs at least if you must use unstable |
| 14:06.29 | Alphax | Nero doesn't know what the image should be, and both k3b and gnome-cd-creator hung in preprocessing...... |
| 14:06.29 | abrotman | lunitik: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#pdpc_cloak |
| 14:06.33 | lunitik | abrotman: I looked around in the faq, I thought that was where it was... apparently not though :( |
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| 14:06.45 | Alphax | ah to heck with it, it's only a CD |
| 14:06.47 | lunitik | abrotman: yeah, I saw that... but not the unaffiliated thing |
| 14:06.48 | Ronin | Alphax: nero does indeed know what an iso is, ive used it at work |
| 14:06.55 | abrotman | lunitik: it is .. that's all there is afaik |
| 14:06.58 | Alphax | oh good. |
| 14:07.14 | uwe | does anyone know what package provides libdbi in debian testing? |
| 14:07.20 | Alphax | hrm, yes, I'm being to cautious. |
| 14:07.27 | Ronin | Alphax: heck use a term on suse if the x burning apps hang |
| 14:07.29 | Alphax | "foreign image" isn't promising though. |
| 14:07.34 | abrotman | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#registering |
| 14:07.35 | lunitik | !find libdbi etch |
| 14:07.42 | Alphax | :P |
| 14:07.45 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'libdbi' (1): (/usr/share/lintian/overrides/libdbi-perl) in perl/libdbi-perl. |
| 14:07.48 | Alphax | what, with dd? |
| 14:07.58 | abrotman | http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks |
| 14:08.03 | abrotman | lunitik: is that enough ? |
| 14:08.03 | lunitik | uwe: bots are awesome ^^ |
| 14:08.13 | uwe | yea :D thanks |
| 14:08.26 | lunitik | abrotman: ahh... thank you :) |
| 14:08.42 | lunitik | Now if only I could remember who wanted that :o |
| 14:09.11 | Ronin | Alphax: this url is on a man distro but the process for burning in a term is the same |
| 14:09.14 | lunitik | vick: LordBrain: read what abrotman just linked to @ cloaks |
| 14:09.18 | Ronin | http://speculation.org/garrick/tips.html#CDBurning |
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| 14:09.49 | prudhvi | !lockfile |
| 14:09.52 | lunitik | vick: LordBrain: follow those steps... it'll tell you to ask for a cloak towards the end |
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| 14:10.04 | sjamaan | hai |
| 14:10.16 | Coke | I have a /usr/lib/libGL.so, but when I try to link against -lGL it says GL can't be found, how can I fix this? |
| 14:10.17 | sjamaan | I'm trying to install only packages from stable, but only lighttpd from unstable |
| 14:10.46 | prudhvi | Hi, which Package Provides `lockfile` ? |
| 14:10.50 | sjamaan | How can I do this? I tried making a Pin in /etc/apt/preferences, but I don't really understand the syntax |
| 14:10.50 | uwe | well, im trying to compile mod_vhost_dbi for apache, and its complaining about not being able to find this package(libdbi), and i need the one for C not perl, i already have this one for perl (libdbi-perl)! |
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| 14:11.01 | lunitik | !tell sjamaan about simple sid backport |
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| 14:11.07 | lunitik | sjamaan: thats the only way really |
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| 14:11.27 | sjamaan | hmm |
| 14:11.30 | sjamaan | Thanks! |
| 14:12.04 | lunitik | sjamaan: different libc in sid etc... so you'd be in trouble with any other method |
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| 14:20.24 | fourat | since an self-ran upgrade, my debian server wont print pages with cups, i setted the debug to log files and here what i got : http://pastebin.ca/108342 (I didnt knew where is the error) please can you help me ? |
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| 14:22.29 | lunitik | fourat: you check localhost:631 to ensure cups settings are still correct? |
| 14:22.48 | fourat | lunitik, offcourse |
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| 14:23.03 | fourat | lunitik, my printers are ok, but stoped |
| 14:23.05 | lunitik | fourat: seems you're using the wrong (I forget what its called... printing method though..) |
| 14:23.11 | fourat | lunitik, did you see that log ? |
| 14:23.15 | kasper | what do i edit to disable smtp and ssh by default.? |
| 14:23.16 | lunitik | fourat: yes |
| 14:23.39 | lunitik | kasper: apt-cache show sysv-rc-conf |
| 14:24.30 | fourat | or just go to /etc/rcX.d/ and delete the files you want, X depend on the init you're in (see /etc/inittab) |
| 14:24.34 | kasper | lunitik: good look. thanks! |
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| 14:25.02 | lunitik | fourat: thats good... if he knows for a fact he never wants to use them ever again... |
| 14:25.23 | kasper | but i can /etc/init.d/ssh start if i need to at certian time tho right? |
| 14:25.26 | lunitik | fourat: dpkg won't replace the files, because it thinks you did it on purpose |
| 14:25.38 | fourat | ;) at least it's a better way to know how linux is working |
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| 14:25.47 | lunitik | kasper: yes... thats the difference between my method and fourat's |
| 14:25.51 | fourat | lunitik, wich files |
| 14:25.53 | vick | Anybody have experience with gift? |
| 14:25.59 | vick | for my girlfriend lol |
| 14:26.02 | lunitik | vick: yes |
| 14:26.03 | kasper | ok thats what i thought. thanks !! |
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| 14:26.16 | lunitik | vick: ahh... not gifts ... I thought you meant giFT |
| 14:26.23 | vick | lunitik, ok, i ran giftd, and then apollon |
| 14:26.28 | vick | lol |
| 14:26.40 | lunitik | vick: you have to run 'gift-setup' |
| 14:26.52 | lunitik | vick: first value can't be 0 |
| 14:26.54 | vick | i did that |
| 14:27.04 | fourat | lunitik, wich files |
| 14:27.05 | lunitik | vick: can be "work for fuck sake" ... just can't be 0 |
| 14:27.16 | vick | yeah yeah i know that |
| 14:27.24 | vick | it's running and everything is ok |
| 14:27.25 | lunitik | vick: whats your current issue then? |
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| 14:27.47 | knt | I've migrated a web server from FC3 to Debian Stable, but the rewrite rules started to don't work. (Yes, I've a mods-available/rewrite.load link in mods-enabled.) For instance, this one: RewriteRule ^/srv/$ /nagios/share (error.log complains about /var/www/srv doesn't exist) Can somebody help me to figure out the problem? |
| 14:27.49 | lunitik | fourat: stop repeating... elaborate |
| 14:27.58 | vick | lunitik, then i run giftui or apollon |
| 14:28.00 | fourat | lunitik, sorry :) |
| 14:28.12 | vick | lunitik, when i search for anything, it just gives me the result immediatly |
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| 14:28.21 | vick | lunitik, i dont even think it's connected to any outside network or something |
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| 14:28.41 | vick | lunitik, something i dont know if it have anything to do with this or not, in OpenFT.conf i have hosts_allow = LOCAL |
| 14:28.43 | gniretar_work | according to the debian mantainers guide the postinst.ex file should be in the control directory. When i'm creting my package tree isnt that in /DEBIAN? My postinst script isnt running and i'm getting an 'unknown control script' when checking the package. |
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| 14:29.01 | kasper | stmp wasn't on the list in sysv-rc-conf. how do i disable it at startup also? |
| 14:29.02 | lunitik | vick: you install libopenft-gift and libgnutella-gift ... you have to mkdir ~/.giFT/Gnutella for Gnutella to work |
| 14:29.18 | lunitik | vick: if its giving you stats in the info page for users etc... its working |
| 14:29.21 | vick | lunitik, There is one |
| 14:29.30 | jeld | anyone knows about problems with testing package indexes? |
| 14:29.34 | vick | lunitik, giftui or apollon ? |
| 14:29.40 | lunitik | vick: apollon |
| 14:29.46 | lunitik | I don't use GTK apps if I can help it |
| 14:30.03 | Ronin | Alphax: did you do a checksum on it? |
| 14:30.16 | vick | lunitik, in apollon i have this, OpenFT and then in status: Connecting... |
| 14:30.20 | mtomczak | Good morning everyone! I've gone back and attacked the issue of our group's Samba server on debian, now that we've move to a new space behind a firewall. I'm looking at the auth options, and I don't see how to get smbd to check username / pass against the regular UNIX account (as opposed to checking via the samba password database). Is there a way to tell it to authenticate using local machine credentials? |
| 14:30.22 | vick | lunitik, and it's stand still this way |
| 14:30.23 | jeld | as in md5sum mismatch errors when apt-get updating |
| 14:30.30 | vick | lunitik, i am behind a NAT tho, does that matter in anything ? |
| 14:30.32 | Alphax | Ronin, yeah, that's what failed :( |
| 14:30.37 | Alphax | oh wait. |
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| 14:30.40 | lunitik | vick: ok, then you have to wait for it to connect... although you want more than just OpenFT ... |
| 14:30.41 | Alphax | the ISO? no..... |
| 14:30.48 | kasper | lunitik: stmp wasn't on the list in sysv-rc-conf. how do i disable it at startup also? |
| 14:30.51 | lunitik | vick: probably, check the config |
| 14:30.59 | lunitik | kasper: sendmail |
| 14:31.01 | vick | lunitik, i did NAPT port 1989 and 3131 |
| 14:31.11 | vick | lunitik, it doesn't connect, it just stands in 'connecting...' |
| 14:31.13 | kasper | lunitik: lol srry |
| 14:31.18 | cze___a | hi. anybody tried using alacarte v.9 under debian using dapper drake packages? does it work? |
| 14:31.22 | lunitik | vick: I'm not behind a nat... sorry |
| 14:31.32 | Alphax | gack. |
| 14:31.39 | vick | wait let me set myself as DMZ and try again |
| 14:31.41 | mtomczak | The option "unix password sync" seems to almost be what I want... but it just changes my UNIX password when my samba password is changed. :-p |
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| 14:32.39 | Alphax | ok, here we go...... |
| 14:32.52 | vick | lunitik, Still same case |
| 14:32.52 | lunitik | cze___a: why would anyone do that? |
| 14:33.13 | lunitik | vick: sorry, can't really help with that... no experience with it... I'd just be guessing :( |
| 14:33.28 | kasper | when i try to open tail /var/log/auth.log i get a permission denied is there way to allow access to only my username? |
| 14:33.32 | vick | lunitik, Thanks tho :D |
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| 14:34.08 | lunitik | kasper: can make it owned by group wheel, and throw your user into that group (or add user to root group...) |
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| 14:34.19 | lunitik | kasper: should just use su - or sudo |
| 14:34.21 | Alphax | Ronin, yeah, md5sum of the ISO matched. |
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| 14:35.14 | kasper | lunitik: that would be easier but i'm using a gdesklet that shows tail transparent and sudo wont work to launch the gdesklet |
| 14:35.16 | Alphax | sudo sudo sudo bash! |
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| 14:35.25 | lunitik | cze___a: is there something special in 0.9 that you want? or you just think its cooler because its got bigger numbers that 0.8 ? |
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| 14:35.58 | Alphax | wait a minute........... |
| 14:36.01 | kasper | lunitik: man addgroup? |
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| 14:36.08 | CoolCubix | Hi. I have a problem with file permissions ; I have a file foo.txt, owned by Alfred, which is -rw-r--r-- ; when I log in as Bob and try to remove this file, i can. How could I do to prevent Bob to remove the file ? |
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| 14:36.42 | lunitik | kasper: no... adduser foo -g foo |
| 14:36.44 | guiss | hi. Is there any up-to-date backporting howto to start reading? |
| 14:36.54 | kasper | lunitik: thanks |
| 14:36.58 | lunitik | kasper: better to just edit /etc/group though imo |
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| 14:37.14 | lunitik | kasper: I think if user is already there, adduser complains :/ |
| 14:37.16 | cze___a | lunitik: author says he has fixed many bugs since 0.8 release |
| 14:37.21 | petemc | adduser username groupname |
| 14:37.35 | lunitik | cze___a: you notice bugs in 0.8 ? |
| 14:37.58 | kasper | lunitik: yea it did, /etc/group it is :) |
| 14:38.01 | lunitik | petemc: I thought you needed -g for groups? (-G for primary group) |
| 14:38.04 | petemc | no |
| 14:38.14 | cze___a | lunitik: for me it works like an alpha software: it crashes, delets some entries, does things i don't want it to do :/ |
| 14:38.54 | jef | CoolCubix: that's mainly an operation on the directory the file is in. if you have write permission to the directory you can remove files. |
| 14:38.55 | Alphax | Ronin, oh, looks like it's OK after all. bloody cygwin. md5sum was probably in ascii mode. |
| 14:39.11 | cze___a | lunitik: which files should i backup in my home directory to be eble to rescu if alacarte brakes something? |
| 14:39.26 | CoolCubix | jef> ah, ok :) |
| 14:39.33 | lunitik | cze___a: I don't know about Gnome |
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| 14:40.03 | lunitik | Well I do, but I certainly don't have a .gnome2 atm to look :/ |
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| 14:40.12 | sjamaan | I tried the sid trick, but dpkg wants to reinstall a lot of new stuff |
| 14:40.21 | sjamaan | It wants to update libgcc and whatnot |
| 14:40.30 | CoolCubix | jef> is there a way to allow Bob and Alfred to create new files in the directory, and prevent them to remove files that they don't own ? |
| 14:40.44 | kasper | lunitik: i added myself to the root group of /etc/group restarted the terminal and still no dice, i miss a step? |
| 14:40.55 | azeem | sjamaan: was that a question? |
| 14:40.59 | jef | CoolCubix: chmod +t . |
| 14:41.08 | lunitik | sjamaan: you tried adding just a deb-src for sid... and utilizing apt-get build-dep? |
| 14:41.14 | sjamaan | yes |
| 14:41.20 | sjamaan | solide04:/solide/apache/www/edge_jbi# apt-get build-dep lighttpd |
| 14:41.22 | sjamaan | That said |
| 14:41.23 | CoolCubix | jef> ok, thanks, i take a look at the man page ^^ |
| 14:41.25 | lunitik | kasper: no, afaik, that should have worked... |
| 14:41.26 | sjamaan | The following packages will be REMOVED: base-config initrd-tools kernel-image-2.6-686 kernel-image-2.6.8-1-686 kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686 libmysqlclient10-dev |
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| 14:41.38 | sjamaan | And a lot of updated and new packages |
| 14:41.47 | lunitik | sjamaan: ahhh... yuck |
| 14:41.49 | sjamaan | I'm sorry if I sound stupid |
| 14:41.52 | azeem | sjamaan: why do you do the sid trick? |
| 14:41.59 | sjamaan | azeem: lunitik told me |
| 14:42.00 | Ronin | and what sid trick? |
| 14:42.00 | lunitik | sjamaan: tried looking in backports? maybe it has what you want? |
| 14:42.12 | sjamaan | I'm a newbie when it comes to dpkg, really |
| 14:42.22 | lunitik | azeem: he wanted one thing from sid... so I pointed him at simple sid backport... |
| 14:42.34 | azeem | that doesn't sound like simple sid backport |
| 14:42.35 | lunitik | Ronin: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 14:42.45 | Ronin | lunitik: ahh |
| 14:43.06 | azeem | sjamaan: what did you do exactly? |
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| 14:43.17 | lunitik | azeem: deb-src for sid... and apt-get build-dep is simple sid backport... build-deps are ugly for his app though |
| 14:43.20 | sjamaan | azeem: I added a src-deb to my sources list |
| 14:43.30 | sjamaan | Yeah, what lunitik said :) |
| 14:43.34 | azeem | sjamaan: and you did not change your deb line? |
| 14:43.43 | azeem | so why does it want to remove/upgrade stuff? |
| 14:43.53 | sjamaan | Beats me |
| 14:43.57 | sjamaan | I'm the newbie here :) |
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| 14:44.10 | azeem | please put your sources.list on a pastebing |
| 14:44.11 | azeem | !paster |
| 14:44.12 | dpkg | i guess pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 14:44.16 | lunitik | sjamaan: you didn't change anything... just added deb-src correct? |
| 14:44.30 | sjamaan | lunitik: True |
| 14:44.53 | lunitik | sjamaan: care to paste the output from apt-get build-dep to channels.debian.net/paste ? |
| 14:45.06 | sjamaan | The backport appears to be working |
| 14:45.10 | sjamaan | I'll try that |
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| 14:45.24 | sjamaan | (from backports.org) |
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| 14:45.42 | lunitik | sjamaan: ahh... don't worry about deb-src things then... remove that line and use backports :) |
| 14:45.55 | sjamaan | Yes, thanks a lot |
| 14:46.04 | sjamaan | Sorry for asking the wrong question then :) |
| 14:46.11 | sjamaan | I'm new to this dpkg thing |
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| 14:46.16 | sjamaan | I use BSD on my own system |
| 14:46.18 | sjamaan | With pkgsrc |
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| 14:46.29 | sjamaan | It's just what you're used to |
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| 14:46.59 | lunitik | sjamaan: thats fine... you'll learn to love apt/dpkg :D |
| 14:47.20 | sussudio | ... |
| 14:47.28 | sjamaan | :) |
| 14:47.31 | sjamaan | WTF |
| 14:47.33 | lunitik | sjamaan: fyi, when you get more used to things, can try GNU/kFreeBSD :D |
| 14:47.36 | sussudio | alindeman: can you do something about spongetron? |
| 14:47.48 | lunitik | ugh, why is #debian accepting messages from outside the channel? |
| 14:47.51 | sussudio | :-| |
| 14:47.53 | sjamaan | lunitik: there's also a NetBSD/Debian right? |
| 14:47.55 | sussudio | ktnx. |
| 14:47.58 | alindeman | lunitik: It's not |
| 14:48.01 | abchirk | :) |
| 14:48.21 | abchirk | what means K-lined? |
| 14:48.26 | lunitik | sjamaan: I think NetBSD ports are dead... not sure... certainly not as up to par as kFreeBSD |
| 14:48.34 | sussudio | abchirk: pwned |
| 14:48.36 | lunitik | abchirk: banned from server |
| 14:48.46 | abchirk | oh so fast |
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| 14:50.31 | lunitik | abchirk: not very subtle, there are freenode staff in here... |
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| 14:50.32 | lunitik | s/are/is/ ? seems to make more sense |
| 14:50.51 | kasper | whats the diff between debian & kfreebsd &/or kfreebsd and freebsd. besides the debian pkg system |
| 14:50.59 | kasper | just curious |
| 14:51.01 | Supaplex | or s/are/be/ :) |
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| 14:51.24 | lunitik | kasper: GNU/kFreeBSD uses FreeBSD kernel instead of Linux... thats all thats different in that port |
| 14:51.34 | Supaplex | kasper: only the kernel, and what's required to support it. |
| 14:51.47 | pollywog | can apt-get -t be used to select deb-src from a certain release? |
| 14:51.47 | Supaplex | some sundry utils etc. |
| 14:51.52 | lunitik | kasper: there was work to use FreeBSD's libc also, but that go nowhere fast |
| 14:51.55 | pollywog | or does it only work for binaries |
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| 14:51.57 | pollywog | ? |
| 14:52.18 | kasper | so basicly for stability and performance from (bsd) kernel |
| 14:52.27 | lunitik | pollywog: sure... if you have the different branches in sources.list ... make sure you pin though |
| 14:52.37 | pollywog | lunitik: tnx |
| 14:52.45 | lunitik | kasper: basically, because they wanted to :/ |
| 14:52.56 | kittonian | I've got a major problem and I really hope someone can help me here. We are receiving a massive amount of e-mail all of a sudden (over the past 3 days) that is literally taking down our mail server(s). I've tried switching the routing of the incoming mail to another backup mail server and immediately that one starts locking up (and these are powerful machines). What is happeneing after looking at the log files is that a massive am |
| 14:52.56 | kittonian | ount of messages are pouring in and all of them are trojan viruses. I've temporarily switched the ip address on our router so that incoming mail gets sent to an ip addy that doesn't exist on our LAN but as of right now (and for the last 3 days) we can't check our mail, receive mail, send mail, or do anything mail related at the moment (in fact, if the messages are coming in you have to wait a few minutes after typing something for |
| 14:52.56 | kittonian | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:53.01 | lunitik | kasper: most things in open source world happen because someone tool the time to do it |
| 14:53.11 | lunitik | took* |
| 14:53.17 | the_mug | hey amigos: I have two debian servers... one of them (We'll call it MAILER) is meant to be the SMTP relay... how can I set the others to use MAILER as a relay... I have it working with my Fedora boxes but those use Qmail.. I'm interested in making it work in Exim. any ideaS? |
| 14:53.32 | kasper | lunitik: are you or have you ran it? |
| 14:53.53 | lunitik | kasper: I've ran kFreeBSD and HURD at various times, yes |
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| 14:53.58 | petemc | kittonian: you didnt specify which mta |
| 14:54.10 | Flakk | cydork, lunitik many thanks for your advice about nvidia drivers. I installed them and indeed they are working now, and i manage my resolution/frequency much better than before. There was a funny thing during the start of xserver. It did not want to start up saying that i did not connect all the cables needed. and indeed, this was true :) |
| 14:54.19 | petemc | the_mug: dpkg-reconfigure exim4-config - set the smarthost |
| 14:54.51 | the_mug | petemc: the smarthost local mail one or the SMTP one? |
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| 14:55.43 | petemc | the_mug: i dont understand what you mean |
| 14:56.37 | petemc | the_mug: any machines you want to relay through MAILER , configure them to use MAILER as a smarthost |
| 14:56.44 | lunitik | the_mug: probably smtp one... smarthosts are things like fetchmail and ssmtp |
| 14:56.50 | petemc | eh? |
| 14:57.03 | lunitik | the_mug: basically, tools that fart things out to other servers |
| 14:57.45 | kittonian | petemc: the mta is qmail but does that really matter? it's the influx of traffic that is causing the problem. these mail servers have been up and running for years. |
| 14:57.49 | petemc | in debian exim speak, a smarthost is where you send all mail to be sent out to its final destination |
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| 14:57.54 | Gustavo34 | ][][][- www.misecretito.com.ar -][][][ |
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| 14:58.15 | sussudio | ban time? |
| 14:58.18 | simonrvn | yes |
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| 14:59.35 | lunitik | kittonian: maybe just set rules so that only known users can send mail to the host? or is there mail that you want that doesn't necissarily come from a known address all the time? |
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| 15:00.24 | simonrvn | !ops Gustavo34 spamming the channel with URIs |
| 15:00.24 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: simonrvn complains about: Gustavo34 spamming the channel with URIs |
| 15:00.35 | the_mug | petemc: when I run the reconfigure I have, among others, these options: 2). mail sent by smarthost; received via SMTP or fetchmail 3). mail sent by smarthost; no local mail .... so is it option 2 or 3? |
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| 15:00.39 | LoRez | simonrvn: klined |
| 15:00.44 | simonrvn | thank you Maulkin |
| 15:00.44 | Maulkin | bugger |
| 15:00.52 | petemc | the_mug: i dont know - do you want local mail? |
| 15:00.57 | simonrvn | LoRez: thank you too |
| 15:01.01 | Maulkin | LoRez got there first :) |
| 15:01.06 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 15:01.13 | Alphax | :) |
| 15:01.14 | the_mug | petemc: what is denoted as local mail? |
| 15:01.32 | petemc | kittonian: the mta does matter, of course - using exim there are ways to mitigate the problems your having, qmail isnt as well equipped |
| 15:01.48 | kittonian | this is a business. mail comes from everywhere and there's no way we'd have any idea of all the addresses to list |
| 15:01.53 | Supaplex | !start an mta war |
| 15:01.54 | dpkg | exim has shitty documentation |
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| 15:02.59 | petemc | the_mug: if you have a user called bill, mail for him could go to /var/mail/bill , for example |
| 15:03.08 | lunitik | !foad |
| 15:03.08 | dpkg | from memory, foad is "fuck off and die". Considered by many to be impolite. |
| 15:03.29 | simonrvn | which is often organised crime nowadays |
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| 15:04.07 | kittonian | so, any ideas what to do about it? |
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| 15:05.04 | Phroziac | what paper selection is 8 1/2" x 11"? |
| 15:05.19 | the_mug | petemc: most of these boxes are servers and most of the mail is going out (like info on Server Status, etc)... so I would probably want "no local mail" right? |
| 15:05.24 | Ronin | Phroziac: letter |
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| 15:05.50 | pollywog | it would seem dpkg is not shy about using colorful language |
| 15:06.23 | sussudio | %hump dpkg |
| 15:07.02 | lunitik | pollywog: this channel is definitely pg13... yes |
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| 15:07.30 | kittonian | is this a situation where I can call our ISP and have them trace the IP's that are sending all the messages in and have them block them? |
| 15:07.52 | petemc | i wouldnt like to rely on that |
| 15:07.54 | pollywog | kittonian: uummmm no |
| 15:08.00 | lunitik | pollywog: you find such language offensive? |
| 15:08.01 | pollywog | they would do it |
| 15:08.01 | the_mug | kittonian: all I can say is that I have like 5 domains at BlueHost and they run Exim for their MTA... and though i have noticed A HUGE influx of spam lately... they have ALL been kept at bay with SpamAssassin / BoxTrapper... and not killed the servers. |
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| 15:08.17 | kittonian | is there a way for me to find out and block it from our router/firewall (we're running iptables/ipfilter) |
| 15:08.21 | pollywog | lunitik: I prefer not to answer ;) |
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| 15:08.46 | petemc | kittonian: how would we know? you're the one with access to the logs |
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| 15:09.06 | petemc | kittonian: if you can see a pattern, if the mails are all coming from china or russia, then yes |
| 15:09.08 | kittonian | petemc: I have no idea where to begin with something like that |
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| 15:09.22 | pollywog | kittonian: uummmm no I meant they would not do that |
| 15:10.34 | gentgeen__ | can some one help me correct the error "Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch" when I run "aptitude upgrade" |
| 15:10.37 | lunitik | pollywog: ISP's wouldn't block spammers? why not? |
| 15:10.48 | abrotman | gentgeen__: which architecture? |
| 15:10.54 | abrotman | nm |
| 15:11.03 | pollywog | lunitik: because it means more work for them |
| 15:11.04 | lunitik | gentgeen__: I'm pretty sure mirrors.kernel.org is having issues at the moment... use a different one |
| 15:11.19 | gentgeen__ | abrotman, i386 |
| 15:11.25 | abrotman | gentgeen__: that's why i smacked myself :) |
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| 15:11.49 | gentgeen__ | lunitik, has that been going on for a while.... I seem to remember seeing this error for a while now |
| 15:11.53 | simonrvn | it's right in the URI =) |
| 15:12.03 | Bhaal | Anyone else having problems with Debian sid upgrades at the moment? |
| 15:12.05 | pollywog | some ISP's will block spammers if they can use a 3rd party service because it involves no work for them |
| 15:12.06 | lunitik | rather annoying |
| 15:12.13 | abrotman | gentgeen__: try another mirror .. i find mirrors.kernel.org to be unreliable |
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| 15:12.30 | lunitik | Could be lastest apt upgrades broke something too though |
| 15:12.51 | pollywog | like block lists that block ppl sending mail directly from dialup IP's |
| 15:12.51 | simonrvn | i've had no problems like that for months |
| 15:12.58 | gentgeen__ | OK, thanks guys (and girls if it applies) ^_^ |
| 15:13.07 | lunitik | (it started after latest upgrade) |
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| 15:13.21 | lunitik | ...of apt packages... |
| 15:13.22 | simonrvn | i update/upgrade every day |
| 15:13.30 | lunitik | simonrvn: Sid? |
| 15:13.37 | simonrvn | on 2 arches. yes |
| 15:13.43 | lunitik | simonrvn: and no such issue? |
| 15:14.09 | lunitik | Bhaal: using mirrors.kernel.org too? |
| 15:14.21 | simonrvn | none. just 404s though |
| 15:14.41 | lunitik | simonrvn: I'm getting that more than md5sum issues... |
| 15:14.53 | Bhaal | lunitik: Only if http.us.debian.org is the same server, which I think it is... But Im trying to download packages atm... |
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| 15:15.28 | Bhaal | lunitik: Im getting 404's for every package I just tried to get... |
| 15:15.45 | Bhaal | lunitik: But it didnt 404 on the Packages/etc files... |
| 15:16.21 | Bhaal | Ahhhhh, its working now |
| 15:16.41 | Bhaal | simonrvn: Try youes now |
| 15:16.43 | lunitik | Bhaal: yeah... like I said... have issues every 2/3 tries right now |
| 15:16.43 | Bhaal | yours |
| 15:17.14 | Bhaal | lunitik: Im pretty sure http.us is on kernel.org |
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| 15:18.32 | simonrvn | i'm tracking other mirrors |
| 15:19.05 | lunitik | simonrvn: with same 404 issues? happened since apt upgrades couple days ago? |
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| 15:19.52 | simonrvn | well, on the ppc it's Release files from the ppc mplayer source, the x86 box got no 404s |
| 15:20.04 | simonrvn | no |
| 15:20.39 | simonrvn | like i said, i haven't seen such errors. that's why i kept thinking it was the mirrors |
| 15:20.48 | lunitik | hmm... maybe just circumstantial that it started around that time then, and m.k.o is just having issues |
| 15:21.49 | lunitik | Never seen it act up like this though, and been using m.k.o for at least a year on different distro's etc |
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| 15:22.27 | lunitik | mirrored* |
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| 15:26.00 | Supaplex | lunitik: sure helps when mirror1 is acting up. :-/ |
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| 15:34.38 | the_mug | petemc: the problem I'm having now is that I cannot send mail to other than my own domains... I have a log if you wanna see it. |
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| 15:36.31 | MindCr | http://www.bbspot.com/News/2001/06/gates.html (is true?) |
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| 15:37.35 | Ronin | MindCr: oh i suspect not |
| 15:38.02 | MindCr | is funny hehehe but i suspect not too |
| 15:38.21 | ghenry | what's a good messaging server to use internally, that windows desktops can install a clients for that acts a wee bit like MSN Messager, with the server on our deb machines? Jabber? |
| 15:38.45 | cydork | ghenry: try jabber |
| 15:38.59 | ghenry | cydork: Can you do like "Away to lunch etc."? |
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| 15:39.25 | cydork | ghenry: Yep and a lot more than that :) |
| 15:39.31 | ghenry | cydork: cool |
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| 15:39.37 | stjepan | what if new firefox verion is released and I want to install it, but there are (still) no packages for it? Do I have to download source, ./configure && make && checkinstall?? Or is there a better way? Can I download .dsc of old firefox, change the version and download new firefox and then make a package somehow????? |
| 15:39.39 | ghenry | recommended server for debian? |
| 15:40.15 | Ronin | ghenry: ? |
| 15:40.22 | cydork | ghenry: huh?? |
| 15:40.30 | ghenry | Ronin: recommended jabber server, that is? |
| 15:40.44 | ghenry | looking at http://www.jabber.org/software/servers.shtml |
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| 15:42.08 | ghenry | ejabberd or jabberd |
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| 15:42.34 | cydork | ghenry: ejabberd if you want fault-tolerant |
| 15:42.49 | ghenry | suppose |
| 15:43.16 | cydork | ghenry: other wise jabberd will do just fine. |
| 15:43.24 | ghenry | easiest to admin? |
| 15:43.28 | ghenry | same I guess |
| 15:44.07 | ghenry | I'll try jabberd |
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| 15:45.04 | ghenry | cool, will try jabberd ladp auth with buddy lists from our samba ldap dir |
| 15:45.17 | ghenry | always wanted to try. cool fun. |
| 15:45.20 | ghenry | cheers all |
| 15:45.54 | alex_c | Any current known problems with gphoto2 in debian unstable? It's not seeing my camera when I plug it in, even though my camera's showing up with the right product and vendor IDs, according to usbview, and other USB devices are working perfectly. |
| 15:46.23 | ghenry | sweeet |
| 15:46.48 | stew | alex_c: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 15:48.00 | alex_c | Right, of course. Thanks. |
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| 15:51.40 | dn4 | checking whether QTDIR environment variable is set... no |
| 15:51.40 | dn4 | configure: error: QTDIR must be properly set. |
| 15:51.53 | dn4 | ^^ how do I set the QTDIR while doing ./configure ? |
| 15:52.27 | jduggan | export QTDIR="dir" |
| 15:52.55 | stew | dn4: what are you trying to compile? |
| 15:53.05 | dn4 | qjackctl |
| 15:53.28 | jduggan | you can prolly pass --with-qtdir= option or smth similar to ./configure also |
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| 15:53.35 | stew | !wayc dn4 |
| 15:53.36 | dpkg | dn4: Why are you compiling instead of using apt-get? |
| 15:54.17 | dn4 | stew, once you go source there is no going back. I ran into issues with my sound card back in april and decided to compile everything from source |
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| 15:54.38 | Kevin` | oh, believe me, there's going back |
| 15:54.46 | Kevin` | eventually you'll realize it's not worth your time :) |
| 15:54.56 | dn4 | stew, the jacklib were not the version I needed in apt-get so I downloaded the latest jack lib sources |
| 15:54.57 | Kevin` | (for most things) |
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| 15:55.03 | stew | dn4: did you "apt-get build-dep qjackctl" |
| 15:55.07 | stew | dn4: /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 15:55.18 | stew | dn4: /msg dpkg source |
| 15:55.27 | dn4 | which means I compiled qjackctl off those sources due to apt having the lack of the latest |
| 15:55.42 | stew | dn4: which version are you compiling? |
| 15:55.52 | dn4 | CVS version |
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| 15:56.11 | stew | dn4: apt has the latest released version |
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| 16:00.29 | dn4 | stew, how does apt have the latest version? |
| 16:00.43 | stew | !info qjackctl |
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| 16:00.53 | dn4 | the version released for unstable was still not new enough for what I am doing |
| 16:00.57 | dpkg | qjackctl: (User interface for controlling the JACK sound server), section sound, is optional. Version: 0.2.20-1 (sid), Packaged size: 365 kB, Installed size: 1012 kB |
| 16:01.00 | dn4 | :/ |
| 16:01.12 | stew | dn4: 2.2.20 is the latest released version according to http://qjackctl.sourceforge.net/ |
| 16:01.20 | stew | errr 0.2.20 |
| 16:01.31 | dn4 | Version: 0.2.20.11 Build: Jun 6 2006 07:07:22 |
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| 16:05.21 | ericP | when i install a fresh jetty deb, i get a NullPointerException at SystemProperties.getProperty during Runtime.<init> |
| 16:05.37 | ericP | perhaps i should add that i find that a bit inconvenient |
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| 16:05.43 | ericP | anyone here running jetty? |
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| 16:07.23 | ericP | oi, is the packag database still down? |
| 16:07.35 | dn4 | where is the QTDIR? |
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| 16:08.36 | stew | dn4: 'dpkg -L libqt3-mt-dev' |
| 16:09.29 | ericP | re package database being down, no, but no jetty deb in testing |
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| 16:10.16 | Jemt | Greetz. Where is the Firefox executable located ? |
| 16:10.29 | dn4 | ://usr/share/qt3 <-- worked :) |
| 16:10.48 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:11.41 | MindCr | Jemt, which firefox |
| 16:11.51 | Jemt | MindCr: Mine firefox :) |
| 16:12.01 | Jemt | I'm note sure where it is located - and a program needs the path |
| 16:12.11 | MindCr | jejeje |
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| 16:12.16 | stew | Jemt: in sarge: "dpkg -L mozilla-firefox | grep bin" in testing/unstable "dpkg -L firefox | grep bin" |
| 16:12.26 | MindCr | put in console: which firefox |
| 16:12.28 | Jemt | Oh, nifty. Thanks |
| 16:12.33 | Jemt | MindCr: Ahhh :) |
| 16:12.34 | Jemt | Hehe, ok |
| 16:12.38 | Jemt | Thanks, guys |
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| 16:13.21 | MindCr | ;) |
| 16:13.34 | Marsmensch | hi hab mir irgendwie mein system geschrottet, nach dem uncompressing, versucht er den kernel zu booten und scheitert, und zwar egal welchen kernel ich benutze ... woran könnte des liegen? |
| 16:13.48 | Marsmensch | sorry |
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| 16:16.31 | dn4 | is there some software ou there that shows ap icture of a donkey dancing to music? |
| 16:16.32 | ericP | is there a principled way to find earlier versions of a package? |
| 16:16.52 | ericP | or is it hit-or-miss on packages.debian.org ... |
| 16:16.55 | dn4 | perhaps a program called, "Donkey JOTO!!!" |
| 16:17.14 | jelly-home | !tell ericP -about snapshots |
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| 16:19.49 | ericP | yeal, !tell me -about snapshots, already |
| 16:20.09 | ericP | tx jelly-home |
| 16:20.12 | dooglus | I can't mount a data DVD at the moment. I could earlier, and I'm sure I could if I rebooted - but is there any way of fixing it without rebooting? |
| 16:20.33 | ericP | dooglus, what error do you get? |
| 16:20.46 | ericP | are you using a command line tool_ |
| 16:20.47 | ericP | ? |
| 16:21.09 | dooglus | ericP: no error. |
| 16:21.16 | ericP | have you tailed dmesg when you plugged in the DVD or closed the drive or something like that? |
| 16:21.21 | dooglus | ericP: it appears that the disk has 0 bytes used and 0 bytes free |
| 16:21.30 | dooglus | ericP: I was tailing syslog and messages |
| 16:21.53 | dooglus | I'm running "mount /media/cdrom" |
| 16:22.00 | ericP | dooglus, and you know it's a good DVD? |
| 16:22.29 | dooglus | ericP: yes. |
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| 16:22.37 | ericP | dooglus, does it show up in /etc/mtab |
| 16:22.42 | dooglus | ericP: rebooting fixes the problem - or accessing it from Windows |
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| 16:22.52 | dooglus | mtab: /dev/hdc /media/cdrom iso9660 ro,noexec,nosuid,nodev 0 0 |
| 16:23.01 | lws_ | Anybody know how to get cups to accept remote admin connections? |
| 16:23.09 | dooglus | df /media/cdrom: /dev/hdc 4.4G 4.4G 0 100% /media/cdrom |
| 16:23.20 | ericP | dooglus, looks like a filesystem mismatch of some sort |
| 16:23.21 | pollywog | apt-get -t testing source <package> does not seem to be a valid command. Anyone know ? |
| 16:23.45 | dooglus | ericP: if it was a filesystem problem then rebooting wouldn't help, right? |
| 16:23.51 | ericP | dooglus, i wouldn't have guessed that DVDs were iso9660 |
| 16:24.15 | dn4 | then will recompile qjackctl and hope none of the pipes break |
| 16:24.19 | ericP | dooglus, but your experience has shown rebooting to affect this? |
| 16:24.21 | dooglus | I just ran 'eject' and saw the logs saying: "Jul 31 18:23:57 chrislap kernel: hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }" |
| 16:24.24 | dooglus | ericP: yes |
| 16:24.25 | dn4 | they keep breaking on me and I don't know how to fidn out why |
| 16:24.40 | Bhaal | Anyone having trouble with the latest sid version of xmms? |
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| 16:26.46 | ericP | Bhaal, just restarted xmms to make sure i was using 1.2.10+2006072 and it worked over an alsa driver |
| 16:27.04 | lws_ | I cannot get cups to allow remote admin. I have specified to listen on eth0, and to allow my IP in all the Location stanzas. What am I missing? |
| 16:27.13 | dn4 | is there a apt-get CVS packagename ? |
| 16:27.17 | waltman | I just got a new monitor. What's the recommended way these days to get xorg to detect it? |
| 16:27.22 | Bhaal | ericP: Hrm, mine keeps seg faulting... I installed mpg123 and that runs fine, so I know the audio is working... |
| 16:27.36 | Phroziac | ok, so when upgrading from stable to testing, i just set up the apt sources, apt-get update, and then apt-get dist-upgrade? or is there anything i'm forgetting? |
| 16:27.39 | dooglus | could this be important? "kernel: VFS: busy inodes on changed media." |
| 16:27.50 | dooglus | ie. a previous DVD is still mounted, so I can't mount a new one? |
| 16:27.54 | ericP | dooglus, if you don't mind rebooting one-more-time, you could lsmod now, lsmod when it works, and lsmod again when it fails. also watch the filesystem type, i guess |
| 16:27.58 | Bhaal | ericP: Mine is v: 1.2.10+20060729-1 |
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| 16:28.21 | waltman | i tried running "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", but it didn't try to recognize my new monitor |
| 16:28.42 | dooglus | ericP: I just ran an 'fuser -c' on the mount point and found some old processes. I'm wondering whether killing them might fix the problem |
| 16:29.04 | ericP | Bhaal, 1.2.10+20060729-1 for me also |
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| 16:29.20 | ericP | dooglus, wipe 'me out! |
| 16:29.30 | Bhaal | ericP: Hrm, okey, and works fine? wonder whats wrong with mine then... |
| 16:29.36 | dooglus | ericP: that did the trick! |
| 16:29.52 | dooglus | ericP: I can now mount data DVDs again! thanks for your help. |
| 16:29.54 | Luke-Jr | whenever I try to SSH to my home box from my colo server (Debian), I get 'socket: Address family not supported by protocol' before it succeeds |
| 16:30.10 | Luke-Jr | I get similar errors using other IPv6-capable tools |
| 16:30.25 | ericP | dooglus, i was more like eliza, i think, but you're welcome |
| 16:30.25 | Luke-Jr | Since the server lacks IPv6 support, how would I disable the attempts? |
| 16:30.41 | dn4 | /usr/share/qt3/bin/uic src/qjackctlMessagesForm.ui -o src/qjackctlMessagesForm.h |
| 16:30.41 | dn4 | Session management error: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed <--- how does this happen? |
| 16:30.56 | Bhaal | ericP: Ahhhh, it seems to be my crossfader plugin... |
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| 16:31.18 | dooglus | ericP: is it because of how you feel that you say you were more like eliza, you think, but I'm welcome? |
| 16:32.32 | Luke-Jr | dn4: I think that belongs in #qt |
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| 16:33.37 | ericP | dooglus, nice! (elided obvious tearful revelation about my childhood) |
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| 16:35.24 | ericP | anyone know why http://snapshot.debian.net/cgi-bin/packages.cgi is a POST interface? seems a bit of an abuse of HTTP semantics, resulting in a tedious user experience |
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| 16:37.59 | Spec | umm... |
| 16:38.04 | Spec | backports.org is the only backports site? |
| 16:38.21 | Luke-Jr | no |
| 16:38.29 | Spec | !backports |
| 16:38.29 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, backports is a package from a newer Debian branch, compiled from source for an older branch to avoid dependency and ABI complications. http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-package.en.html#s-port or http://backports.org/ or http://www.apt-get.org/ or ask me about <simple sid backport> |
| 16:38.31 | Luke-Jr | so any idea how to completely disable IPv6? |
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| 16:39.02 | roxy_ | how can I get sshd to use key && password ? |
| 16:39.08 | Cornellius | Hi all |
| 16:39.42 | zbychuk | Hi |
| 16:39.45 | Cornellius | I<m under Sarge and want to update to Testing. Is there a good place to get some good testing repositories ? |
| 16:39.59 | Cornellius | I'm |
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| 16:40.05 | bubbles | hi there |
| 16:40.09 | stew | Cornellius: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 16:40.22 | ericP | roxy_, ssh and a password in the same session initialization? |
| 16:40.23 | Cornellius | Thanks stew |
| 16:40.34 | Cornellius | Hi zbychuk bubbles |
| 16:40.36 | bubbles | anyone knows how i can set locales to de_AT.utf8 using pg_createcluster? |
| 16:41.08 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:41.20 | Cornellius | I also need the NVidia drivers for my VideoCard |
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| 16:41.45 | stew | dn4: is there an INSTALL or a README? |
| 16:42.08 | cydork | Cornellius: /msg dpkg nvidia one-liner |
| 16:42.08 | dn4 | stew, there is but it says ./configure |
| 16:42.16 | Luke-Jr | roxy_: I doubt you can-- it's pretty redundant. You know keys can require passwords of their own, right? |
| 16:42.22 | Cornellius | Thanks cydork |
| 16:42.46 | stew | dn4: is there a configure.ac or a configure.in? |
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| 16:42.57 | dn4 | there is a .ac |
| 16:43.02 | dn4 | not sure how that works though :/ |
| 16:43.08 | st_lupus | Does anyone in here have any experience installing Debian on an HP blade? |
| 16:43.40 | roxy_ | ericP: yes |
| 16:43.51 | waltman | how do i tell xorg to detect a new monitor |
| 16:43.58 | roxy_ | Luke-Jr: I hoped pam could do that |
| 16:44.09 | cydork | waltman: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 16:44.15 | dn4 | stew, how do you use the configure.ac file to configure the source? |
| 16:44.25 | ericP | roxy_, i doubt you can. why do you want to? |
| 16:44.47 | stew | dn4: you have to libtoolize it, read about autotools/autoconf |
| 16:44.54 | stew | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:45.08 | roxy_ | ericP: can't you add way of authentication with pam ? |
| 16:45.26 | Cornellius | Sweet, found a repository about 1 hour away from me. |
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| 16:45.50 | Luke-Jr | Cornellius: 1 hour is pretty high latency ;) |
| 16:46.38 | stew | dn4: are you sure that 0.2.20 won't work for you? |
| 16:47.21 | dn4 | stew, I can try here later |
| 16:47.33 | dn4 | config.status: error: cannot find input file: config.h.in <-- hmm |
| 16:48.07 | roxy_ | ericP, Luke-Jr: I want to use the local password and a public key to log in from remote. |
| 16:50.25 | Cornellius | So, to get debs from testing, I only need to replace Stable by Testing in my sources.list ? |
| 16:50.37 | ericP | roxy_, (and Luke-Jr) how about you create an intermediate firewall. you can/must ssh to with with a key and then ssh to the real one with a password |
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| 16:51.47 | waltman | cydork: I just did what dpkg recommended, but it didn't update my monitor information |
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| 16:52.05 | roxy_ | ericP: that is a bit to complex. I thought that with pam it would just need to add 2 lines, 1 for password and 1 for key. That is the way java pam does it . |
| 16:52.53 | cydork | waltman: Did you restart the x server? |
| 16:52.59 | jade | is there a consensus yet that SATA drives are better than IDE? |
| 16:53.09 | waltman | yes. i ran it from the console. |
| 16:53.32 | waltman | xorg-conf still says it's a compaq monitor. |
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| 16:55.10 | Luke-Jr | roxy_: maybe setup SSH to spawn /bin/login instead of a shell? |
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| 16:55.43 | bubbles | anyone knows how i can set locales to de_AT.utf8 in postgresql using pg_createcluster? |
| 16:55.44 | dn4 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:55.44 | dn4 | qjackctl: error while loading shared libraries: libjack.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 16:56.52 | dbe | which package can uncompress .tar files except unrar (Package unrar is not available, but is referred to by another package.) |
| 16:57.00 | dbe | .rar* |
| 16:57.00 | roxy_ | Luke-Jr: good idea :-) |
| 16:57.07 | ericP | indeed |
| 16:57.25 | CovWork | dbe: rar and unrar are in non-free |
| 16:57.32 | waltman | so is dpkg-reconfigure xorg-conf *supposed* to detect my monitor? |
| 16:57.38 | dbe | Covener, Oh, shit. |
| 16:58.20 | dbe | CovWork, * |
| 16:58.36 | dbe | CovWork, So which package can handle this else? |
| 16:58.46 | roxy_ | waltman: isn't it dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 16:59.21 | SerajewelKS | oh wow, there's a google earth beta for linux |
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| 16:59.23 | yassinework | anyone of you guys using moinmoin ? |
| 16:59.24 | SerajewelKS | finally |
| 16:59.28 | CovWork | dbe: apt-cache search unrar (unrar-free?) |
| 16:59.42 | yassinework | im wondering where is this module is located : ImportError: No module named moinmodpy |
| 17:00.05 | abrotman | dbe: you would need non-free sources .. i htink it's called unrar-nonfree or something like that |
| 17:00.11 | cydork | waltman: yep dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg can do that. |
| 17:00.22 | waltman | oh right. just mistyped it here. |
| 17:00.24 | dbe | abrotman, I refuse to use non-free software. |
| 17:00.53 | SerajewelKS | dbe: don't use nonfree archive formats then |
| 17:01.02 | simonrvn | SerajewelKS: which didn't work here. but that might've been because my glx wasn't working =) |
| 17:01.10 | waltman | so i guess the question is, why is it *not* detecting my montior? |
| 17:01.28 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: i just got done playing sauer, so i sure hope it's working ={ |
| 17:01.34 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: =) too |
| 17:01.40 | simonrvn | :) |
| 17:01.50 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: do i need to run the .bin as root? |
| 17:01.53 | dbe | SerajewelKS, Hi =). |
| 17:01.59 | SerajewelKS | dbe: sup |
| 17:02.11 | simonrvn | there's a debian package to make a deb from it |
| 17:02.13 | simonrvn | but not like java-package |
| 17:02.24 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: "not like" as in how |
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| 17:02.33 | dbe | I'm almost done with my first distribution of a free software website updating system. |
| 17:02.45 | dbe | SerajewelKS, |
| 17:02.54 | simonrvn | you install it, then run make-googlearth-package and it downloads it |
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| 17:03.04 | SerajewelKS | dbe: cool, hope you aren't using rar for it ;) |
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| 17:03.12 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: ah |
| 17:03.12 | simonrvn | s/e/ee/ |
| 17:03.18 | simonrvn | oh it works, it was my glx |
| 17:03.24 | simonrvn | yay |
| 17:03.27 | abrotman | dbe: then you're kind of screwed .. use a free format i guess |
| 17:04.03 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: you can use a downloaded bin with --file |
| 17:04.05 | christianp | can anyone help me in configuring my sony AIT1 Turbo tape? Sarge seems to ignore it :) |
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| 17:04.18 | dbe | SerajewelKS, Hehe, No my sister want her site implemented and she sended me the site in a .rar file. |
| 17:04.25 | nima | hello |
| 17:04.26 | dbe | abrotman, Thank you. I use tar. |
| 17:04.32 | SerajewelKS | dbe: ick |
| 17:04.34 | abrotman | dbe: but you're asking about rar :) |
| 17:04.50 | simonrvn | ok |
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| 17:05.16 | simonrvn | i gotta quit some stuff i have 128 MB real RAM ... |
| 17:05.44 | Luke-Jr | Is there any way to block AAAA DNS results? |
| 17:06.07 | stew | Luke-Jr: no, why would you want to? |
| 17:06.15 | Luke-Jr | stew: I don't have IPv6 access |
| 17:06.21 | Luke-Jr | and that's the first thing programs try |
| 17:06.22 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: lots of warnings |
| 17:06.29 | Luke-Jr | resulting in warnings |
| 17:06.34 | MoDaX | Luke-Jr: disable ipv6 |
| 17:06.36 | Luke-Jr | and, in some cases, errors that don't try IPv4 |
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| 17:06.41 | stew | Luke-Jr: modprobe -r ipv6 ; /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:06.43 | Luke-Jr | MoDaX: how? (from userland only) |
| 17:06.51 | Luke-Jr | stew: I don't have kernel access |
| 17:07.16 | lws_ | How do you remove packages that nothing depends on anymore? |
| 17:07.41 | SerajewelKS | simonrvn: works though |
| 17:07.44 | stew | lws_: /msg dpkg deborphan |
| 17:07.44 | lws_ | for example, I installed firefox to use it for a second. It installed a bunch of libraries I don't want now that I've removed firefox |
| 17:07.58 | lws_ | stew: I thought aptitude would do it? |
| 17:08.04 | stew | lws_: if you use aptitude instead of apt-get these dependencies are removed automatically for you |
| 17:08.07 | dbe | SerajewelKS, I have migrated to PostreSQL and I will try Zope soon. |
| 17:08.28 | dbe | SerajewelKS, What are you working on these days. |
| 17:08.32 | stew | lws_: if you installed firefox with apt-get, aptitude wouldn't know which ones were automatically installed |
| 17:08.38 | jelly-home | lws_: aptitude doesn't know about packages not installed with aptitude. :-| |
| 17:09.10 | lws_ | jelly-home: Oh. I thought the whole system was more integrated than that. |
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| 17:09.49 | enouf | dbe: Use "Ark" for *rar |
| 17:09.58 | SerajewelKS | dbe: wikipedia mostly |
| 17:10.01 | jelly-home | lws_: erm, I wasn't precise enough. stew said the right thing though. |
| 17:10.12 | lws_ | thanks I used deborphan it was awesome. |
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| 17:10.19 | PoonJ | hey guys...I just installed the 2.6.17 kernel from the unstable tree. Apparently, all of the input devices are located under the /sys tree, rather than the /dev tree. Now, gdm won't start because it can't find the input devices. What is the best way around that? |
| 17:10.25 | Luke-Jr | so... no ideas on disabling IPv6 in userland, or blocking AAAA DNS? |
| 17:10.38 | Luke-Jr | PoonJ: install udev? |
| 17:10.41 | PoonJ | I tried doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, but that didn't seem to find the input devices |
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| 17:10.52 | PoonJ | ummm let me see if that is installed... |
| 17:10.53 | lws_ | speaking of stuff. I upgraded kernel packages on debian etch to 2.6.16 and now all my DVDs are burning with errors. |
| 17:11.01 | stew | Luke-Jr: you can't do either |
| 17:11.03 | Luke-Jr | PoonJ: as of 2.6.13 or so, udev is required |
| 17:11.06 | Luke-Jr | stew: :( |
| 17:11.11 | MoDaX | Luke-Jr: I think it's not possible |
| 17:11.17 | stew | Luke-Jr: udev isn't required |
| 17:11.18 | Luke-Jr | stew: nscd or whatever can't block AAAA or smth? |
| 17:11.22 | roxy_ | was there any font update for unstable lately? My font is very strange today, no aliasing, pretty ugly. |
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| 17:11.25 | Luke-Jr | stew: for a sane system, itis |
| 17:11.34 | waltman | actually, when i run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg, it's not changing /etc/X11/xorg.conf. should it be? |
| 17:11.36 | stew | Luke-Jr: no, it isn't |
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| 17:11.54 | dbe | enouf, That package is dependent of unrar. |
| 17:12.02 | MoDaX | roxy_: rerun fc-cache -fv maybe? |
| 17:12.13 | enouf | dbe: hmm..really ? |
| 17:12.15 | stew | Luke-Jr: i don't know about nscd |
| 17:12.24 | dbe | enouf, I tried it now. |
| 17:12.43 | jelly-home | stew: kernel image package dependencies want to install udev, or at least they did a while ago. |
| 17:12.48 | stew | PoonJ: try "modprobe mousedev" |
| 17:13.04 | stew | jelly-home: if you use initramfs-tools for your initrd generator, if you use yaird instead udev isn't required |
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| 17:13.29 | PoonJ | ok |
| 17:13.37 | jelly-home | stew: guess which is preferred in linux-image-* Depends: line ;-) |
| 17:13.47 | stew | yup |
| 17:13.51 | roxy_ | MoDaX: do I need to log in/out ? |
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| 17:14.15 | stew | jelly-home: all i'm saying is that it isn't by any means a requirement to be running udev |
| 17:14.34 | MoDaX | roxy_: just run a new gui app and if it made the difference |
| 17:14.41 | MoDaX | and see* |
| 17:14.50 | jelly-home | stew: so for an unitiated user, apt-get install linux-image-blah will install udev unless accompanied by explicitely asking for yaird |
| 17:14.59 | stew | jelly-home: yes |
| 17:15.10 | enouf | dbe: hmm..I haven't had a need to unrar yet any files -- but the 'apt-cache show ark' results shows a Suggests: 'unrar-free' -- not non-free |
| 17:15.37 | roxy_ | MoDaX: no differences. Weird, in eclipse, I can't see any of the black font . |
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| 17:16.05 | dbe | enouf, E: Couldn't find package unrar-free I'm using Sarge. |
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| 17:17.20 | jelly-home | dbe: there's no unrar-free in sarge. |
| 17:17.40 | jelly-home | dbe: but there is unrar in non-free section. |
| 17:17.44 | dbe | Jippie. |
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| 17:18.00 | PoonJ | okay |
| 17:18.01 | PoonJ | that worked |
| 17:18.02 | abrotman | !find unrar sarge |
| 17:18.03 | PoonJ | thanks |
| 17:18.17 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'unrar' (2): (/usr/bin/unrar) in non-free/utils/unrar ;; (/usr/share/doc/bash/completion-contrib/unrar) in base/bash. |
| 17:18.18 | g333k | Hi, if I cant found the file bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.16.diff to patch my kernel 2.6.16 can I use the bootsplash-3.1.6-2.6.15.diff? |
| 17:18.22 | pdbogen | Is it possible to configure BIND to reply to all queries with the same address? |
| 17:18.39 | abrotman | g333k: ask #kernel |
| 17:19.06 | dbe | abrotman, Non-free!=Intresting. |
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| 17:19.29 | abrotman | dbe: that wasn't for you |
| 17:19.34 | dbe | I recompress the file. |
| 17:19.38 | dbe | abrotman, Ok. |
| 17:19.43 | abrotman | dbe: i'm well aware of your objection to non-free :) |
| 17:19.47 | g333k | How can I optimize my debian, I feel it very slow |
| 17:19.53 | dbe | abrotman, =). Thank you. |
| 17:19.57 | abrotman | freaking swedes want everything for free |
| 17:20.53 | jelly-home | abrotman: well it's free but not free, or it's free but not stable, choose. |
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| 17:21.15 | enouf | dbe: go look in channel #flood for what the unrar-free desciprtion says anyway -- it seems you have to use non-free to unrar -- or look into another open source command line unrar tool |
| 17:21.23 | yang | I am wondering how do I set WEP key on wireless card with "iwconfig" I always get the error : "Error for wireless request "set Encode" 8B2A, set failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument" |
| 17:21.26 | abrotman | !info unrar sarge |
| 17:21.27 | dbe | abrotman, Free software is the only social source model. |
| 17:21.28 | dpkg | unrar: (Unarchiver for .rar files (non-free version)), section non-free/utils, is optional. Version: 1:3.5.2-0.1 (sarge), Packaged size: 85 kB, Installed size: 216 kB |
| 17:21.29 | roo9 | is there a limit to the size of a MD raid volume? |
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| 17:21.48 | abrotman | dbe: what? .. you don't like shared source from MS? :) |
| 17:21.58 | dbe | abrotman, The Free software movement is actually a social movement. |
| 17:22.07 | dbe | abrotman, I added that to wikipedia. |
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| 17:22.41 | dbe | abrotman, I work very close with FSF and RMS =). |
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| 17:22.41 | jelly-home | dbe: if you have to use non-free you can go all the way and install rar, the shareware :-> |
| 17:23.14 | dbe | jelly-home, I think you just missed the conversation between me and abrotman. |
| 17:23.25 | jelly-home | dbe: I didn't. <g> |
| 17:23.30 | Ronin | dbe: name dropper |
| 17:23.47 | dbe | Ronin, What? |
| 17:23.59 | Ronin | dbe> abrotman, I work very close with FSF and RMS =) |
| 17:24.10 | enouf | dbe: slight correction --> it seems you have to use "non-free" to unrar 3.0 RAR format anyways - though I hav eno idea which version your rar archive is |
| 17:24.14 | abrotman | Ronin: how closely? |
| 17:24.19 | abrotman | dbe: does he smell? :) |
| 17:24.35 | Ronin | dbe: tell him to shave and get a haircut :) |
| 17:24.48 | dbe | Ronin, He told you to shut up and hack. |
| 17:24.53 | stew | Ronin: are you sure you want to see what is under there? |
| 17:24.56 | Ronin | heh |
| 17:25.00 | Ronin | stew: good point |
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| 17:25.50 | abrotman | wait .. i can drop names!!! |
| 17:26.06 | abrotman | uh .. RMS wanted my petition shut off! |
| 17:26.08 | dbe | abrotman, A lot's of ppl jokes about hes look, take part of hes philosophy instead. |
| 17:26.47 | abrotman | can you believe that ... RMS didn't want me to go to mexico! |
| 17:27.02 | PoonJ | okay....I don't know what is wrong now...but for some reason the default ipv6 tunnel over ipv4 is havn't a name resolution issue and I can't connect to the internet... |
| 17:27.11 | PoonJ | what is the best way to disable ipv6 from the system? |
| 17:27.23 | dbe | abrotman, Why? |
| 17:27.30 | stew | PoonJ: modprobe -r ipv6 ; /msg dpkg blacklist |
| 17:27.31 | abrotman | dbe: someone signed it as RMS |
| 17:27.46 | stew | abrotman: its because you use opera |
| 17:28.06 | abrotman | stew: maybe if FF didn't suck so much |
| 17:28.12 | stew | abrotman: help fix it |
| 17:28.24 | dbe | Heh |
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| 17:28.25 | abrotman | stew: that would require starting from scratch :) |
| 17:28.38 | stew | abrotman: are you going to stick with gtk? |
| 17:28.51 | abrotman | stew: skipstone is fast (not packaged for some reason) .. but not tabbed |
| 17:28.59 | dbe | abrotman, What would you do in mexiko, meet Molinero? |
| 17:29.12 | abrotman | dbe: go to DC6 ? |
| 17:29.38 | abrotman | i have no idea why skipstone isn't packaged |
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| 17:29.52 | stew | abrotman: package it |
| 17:30.11 | stew | (is there an itp filed yet?) |
| 17:30.12 | dbe | abrotman, www.enhancedaudio.com/dc_six.htm ? |
| 17:30.18 | stew | !debconf6 |
| 17:30.18 | dpkg | i guess debconf6 is http://wiki.debian.org/DebConf6 |
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| 17:30.22 | abrotman | stew: well .. that's not the point .. i thought at one time it was there .. but it's gone out of oldstable -> sid |
| 17:30.29 | dbe | Ah. |
| 17:30.45 | abrotman | stew: i guess i could .. i just don't see why it's not available |
| 17:30.54 | abrotman | stew: which is why i was looking through WNPP for a reason |
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| 17:31.45 | dbe | abrotman, Check my latest project ``sovix.org''. |
| 17:32.39 | abrotman | dbe: ? |
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| 17:33.10 | abrotman | why would i boycott bluray? |
| 17:33.22 | dbe | abrotman, When speaking of free software, I will release it as a GNU package as soon as I can. |
| 17:33.39 | dbe | abrotman, Read. |
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| 17:33.48 | abrotman | dbe: i'm reading .. point #1 is retarded and a no-duh |
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| 17:35.05 | abrotman | dbe: TBH .. that fuckbluray site is pretty stupid .. unless i'm mistaken .. DVD has many of the same issues |
| 17:35.32 | abrotman | has and/or had |
| 17:37.08 | st_lupus | So, to ask again -- has anyone installed Debian on an HP Blade? |
| 17:37.19 | abrotman | st_lupus: i'm sure many have .. |
| 17:37.33 | st_lupus | I'm getting remarkably vague errors when attempting to install a bootloader, whether I choose GRUB or LILO. |
| 17:37.46 | abrotman | st_lupus: you're installing from a USB cd ? |
| 17:38.04 | st_lupus | No, from a virtual drive on my machine using the ILO stuff. |
| 17:38.12 | dbe | abrotman, Please =). |
| 17:38.52 | st_lupus | The installer runs fine, downloads everything from the network connection, and then errors when attempting to install to the MBR. |
| 17:39.05 | st_lupus | The drives are hardware RAID mirrored SCSIs. |
| 17:39.08 | abrotman | st_lupus: if you swtich to tty2 or 3 .. can you see the errors? |
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| 17:39.51 | st_lupus | abrotman: When I switch to another console, all I get is the Busybox "Press enter to activate this console". Should I try again with one of those consoles live? |
| 17:40.27 | dooglus | dbe: the quote at the bottom of your sovix page: "`` Linux is one of its kernel. '' - is that a typo? |
| 17:40.32 | abrotman | st_lupus: check another one .. one of them has messages .. might be tty3 |
| 17:40.42 | dooglus | dbe: (and you spelt 'ubuntu' wrong!) |
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| 17:40.59 | dbe | dooglus, Your'e funny. |
| 17:41.11 | st_lupus | abrotman: Okay, I'll give it a look-see. |
| 17:41.20 | dbe | dooglus, Join us at #ututo and we might explain it for you. |
| 17:41.24 | dooglus | shouldn't it be "one of its kernel*s*"? |
| 17:41.35 | dooglus | dbe: I've been there before. |
| 17:41.42 | st_lupus | dooglus: Didn't you ever use GEOS? It's "kernal". Heh. |
| 17:41.47 | dbe | dooglus, Then you should be aware of that Ututo is a dist. |
| 17:42.10 | dbe | dooglus, Do the math. |
| 17:42.16 | dooglus | dbe: I am. hence the wink, and the running away |
| 17:42.28 | dbe | Ah. Have you tried Ututo? |
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| 17:42.34 | dooglus | dbe: not yet. |
| 17:42.35 | SeanTater | For apt, what are the advantages/disadvantages of using http or ftp? |
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| 17:42.49 | stew | SeanTater: use http unless you have a good reason not to |
| 17:42.56 | SeanTater | stew: okay |
| 17:43.39 | enouf | dbe: I like the site , and your sttitude about those matters -- btw where'e the fuckbluray link -- fuck sony and it's rootkits (and all others that promote tcpa, drm nonsense) - but let's not get off-topic by continuing this |
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| 17:44.43 | enouf | s/sttitude/attitude |
| 17:44.56 | fourat | where to download the debian dvds ? |
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| 17:45.10 | abrotman | fourat: cdimage.debian.org .. use the BT if you can |
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| 17:46.08 | fourat | abrotman, seeking for an http/ftp link |
| 17:46.24 | enouf | dbe: hang on I have to register or something |
| 17:46.31 | dbe | Easy. |
| 17:46.39 | stew | fourat: there are links on that page |
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| 17:47.34 | abrotman | dbe: enouf: you could both /join #dbe-web-discussion or something |
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| 17:48.04 | dbe | enouf, Join #dbe, ppl use to hang around there before ;). |
| 17:48.20 | grumbel_ | does anyone know a good backup-to-dvd software? something simply would be preferable (ie. take file list and seperate it into dvd-sized chunks) |
| 17:48.24 | enouf | dbe: ok |
| 17:48.41 | dbe | enouf, I be there in 2 minutes. Ok? |
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| 17:50.53 | enouf | dbe: ok - I'm already at both ;-) |
| 17:51.29 | enouf | abrotman : suggestion appreciated |
| 17:52.15 | st_lupus | abrotman: Here's the error: |
| 17:52.17 | st_lupus | "the file /boot/grub/stage1 not read correctly." |
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| 17:52.28 | dbe | enouf, Back. |
| 17:52.30 | st_lupus | There's no /boot directory to read from, which may be the issue. |
| 17:52.31 | abrotman | eh ... |
| 17:52.36 | abrotman | good call :) |
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| 17:56.18 | st_lupus | abrotman: Any ideas? The only references I can find to this are related to the Hurd port and other irrelevancies. |
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| 17:56.43 | abrotman | st_lupus: try #debian-boot on irc.oftc.net |
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| 17:57.05 | st_lupus | Will do. |
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| 17:59.21 | abchirk_ | hi all!.. i have installed atidrivers..but it makes the letters very small...and in xorg,conf standing 1024x768...how i get the letters smaller? |
| 17:59.45 | sussudio | it makes the letters small and you want them even smaller? |
| 18:00.08 | abchirk_ | hm no it makes the letters small an d i want them bigger :) |
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| 18:00.18 | sussudio | abchirk_: you're not running debian, are you. |
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| 18:00.57 | abchirk_ | ehm no.. |
| 18:01.31 | abchirk_ | sorry... |
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| 18:01.40 | sussudio | this channel is for debian help..... |
| 18:01.57 | abchirk_ | yes yes i know..but thaught that doesnt matter..because its xorg? |
| 18:02.25 | Mohua | abchirk_: #xorg |
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| 18:03.05 | abchirk_ | thy |
| 18:03.15 | abchirk_ | brb |
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| 18:06.56 | tuv | fetchmail and maildrop debian packages are difficult to integrate. fetchmail runs maildrop as an mda using the fetchmail user, and maildrop fails to access user mailboxes unless it's suid, which the debian package removes and suggests unneeded |
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| 18:07.16 | thelostbutler | hello folks, can some one tellme if it is normal for the kernel compile to take a large amount of time in the last set of running ld vmlinux when one has the all the options in the kernel set to compile into the kernel ? |
| 18:07.28 | thelostbutler | **last step |
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| 18:13.17 | tuv | debian's maildrop cannot be suid root. i don't know how to get fetchmail/maildrop to work |
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| 18:17.33 | redrain | Hi, I have a computer have Syntek USB 2.0 DC-1120 TV card. But lspci shows nothing about this TV card. Is there anyone know this card? |
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| 18:18.26 | tuv | redrain, if it's a usb card why do you expect it to appear in lspci? |
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| 18:18.49 | vihang_ | redrain: try lsusb! |
| 18:19.11 | redrain | tuv: I have no idea about that... Where do I have to look? |
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| 18:19.24 | nikin | hy |
| 18:19.25 | tuv | redrain, what vihang_ siad |
| 18:19.29 | tuv | s/siad/said |
| 18:19.45 | nikin | does anyone have any experiences with the wizardpen driver? |
| 18:21.11 | redrain | tuv, vihang_ it shows card, but I have no idea how can I find it's driver |
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| 18:22.34 | Luke-Jr | ugh, I hate dumb tech support |
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| 18:23.07 | ramiroec | a dump question : how i can find this phrase on google. : "b+N" ? ...the result on google only show..the "bN", and not the "B+N" |
| 18:23.48 | ramiroec | a dumb question : how i can find this phrase on google. : "b+N" ? ...the result on google only show..the "bN", and not the "B+N" |
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| 18:27.08 | stew | ramiroec: i don't think google indexes non alphanumerics |
| 18:27.37 | ramiroec | stew : sure |
| 18:27.43 | ramiroec | its a simple error code |
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| 18:31.50 | SerajewelKS | how do i bring up a virtual interface (e.g. eth0:2) that does ipv6? |
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| 18:32.20 | bluefox83 | i seem to be having trouble with my flash installation, where do i get help for it? |
| 18:32.56 | deadcat_ | read the readme yet? |
| 18:32.57 | tuv | how can i change the priority (nice level) of sftp only and keep that of ssh? |
| 18:33.10 | bluefox83 | dunno where the readme is o.o |
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| 18:33.24 | bluefox83 | i installed the flashplugin that's in apt |
| 18:33.26 | tuv | /usr/share/doc/<package-name>/README |
| 18:33.33 | rhalff | really what should I do with this 'Character set 'utf8' is not a compiled character set and is not specified in the '/usr/share/mysql/charsets/Index' file' kinda driving me crazy |
| 18:33.35 | deadcat_ | bluefox83: oh.. nevermind. |
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| 18:35.16 | fourat | i have installed debian on my laptop, i would like to know wich alias i get for my wireless interface ( recognized on lspci ) using shell console |
| 18:35.51 | desigdream | how do i have find escape ' (single quotes) on its output? find . -type f ? |
| 18:36.01 | deadcat_ | fourat: iwconfig |
| 18:36.16 | lunitik | fourat: whatever its defined as in /etc/network/interfaces ... recognizing it via lspci doesn't mean it works however |
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| 18:36.42 | deadcat_ | desigdream: -type f -iname "'" maybe |
| 18:36.51 | deadcat_ | desigdream: -type f -iname "*'*" maybe |
| 18:37.14 | mirak | can anyone help ? I installed a home compiled pammount and it killed all pam. anyone knows how to recover ? |
| 18:37.49 | desigdream | deadcat_: i was tryping to escape it to xargs its output |
| 18:38.21 | yang | I am wondering how do I set WEP key on wireless card with "iwconfig" I always get the error : "Error for wireless request "set Encode" 8B2A, set failed on device wlan0 ; Invalid argument" |
| 18:39.04 | desigdream | find . -type f | sed s/\'/\\\\\'/ worked =) |
| 18:39.06 | deadcat_ | desigdream: i am not following you i guess. |
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| 18:39.20 | gan0713 | Hi |
| 18:39.31 | gan0713 | iam very very new to debian |
| 18:39.43 | gan0713 | i have apache and apache2 when i use dpkg... |
| 18:39.47 | deadcat_ | gan0713: me too. i just heard of debian today |
| 18:39.53 | gan0713 | hmmm |
| 18:40.07 | abrotman | deadcat_: be nice |
| 18:40.19 | abrotman | that's almost qotd-worthy |
| 18:40.37 | deadcat_ | abrotman: what? i have long-term memory lost... |
| 18:40.46 | gan0713 | how can i install a particualr module with the apache(apt-get i assune) |
| 18:40.48 | Ronin | deadcat_: are you sure? |
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| 18:40.52 | Chty | hello all |
| 18:41.14 | abrotman | gan0713: such as? |
| 18:41.40 | deadcat_ | Ronin: sure about what? (= |
| 18:41.46 | Ronin | :) |
| 18:42.10 | Chty | on debian testing, when I Launch vlc with a video, all my PC freeze. I can dot anything but the video still running. I must kill vlc via SSH to stop it. WHat can I do to diagnostic the problem ? |
| 18:42.21 | abrotman | stop using vlc :) |
| 18:42.29 | yang | damnit nobody wants to answer my "iwconfig" |
| 18:42.30 | abrotman | Chty: try other video types |
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| 18:42.38 | gan0713 | Cannot load /usr/lib/httpd/modules/httpd_defines20.so into server: /usr/lib/httpd/modules/httpd_defines20.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:42.50 | abrotman | yang: ask #wireless .. it's quite possible the device doesn't support it .. or you misread the man page |
| 18:43.04 | yang | nobody answers even in wireless |
| 18:43.07 | abrotman | !find httpd_defines20.so sarge |
| 18:43.14 | gan0713 | abrotman: i need to install httpd_defines20.so with apache2 |
| 18:43.17 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'httpd_defines20.so' returned no results. |
| 18:43.30 | abrotman | !find httpd_defines20.so etch |
| 18:43.32 | Chty | abrotman, yes its the same thing |
| 18:43.40 | abrotman | Chty: check the BTS |
| 18:43.49 | Chty | abauer, what is BTS ? |
| 18:43.50 | abrotman | gan0713: i've never heard of that module |
| 18:43.54 | abrotman | !btssmite Chty |
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| 18:43.55 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'httpd_defines20.so' returned no results. |
| 18:44.04 | Chty | abrotman, oh :) |
| 18:44.08 | gan0713 | when i use find httpd_defines20.so sarge it does ow show anything |
| 18:44.20 | abrotman | it doesn't exist |
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| 18:44.40 | abrotman | gan0713: what do you want that module to do? |
| 18:44.48 | wut | how do i uninstall something? |
| 18:44.54 | wut | apt-get uninstall libcomedi0? |
| 18:45.05 | stew | wut: man apt-get |
| 18:45.44 | thelostbutler | wut: apt-get remove package-name or apt-get --purge remove package-name . purge removes config files. man apt-get |
| 18:46.23 | wut | ok thanks |
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| 18:50.04 | gan0713 | how could i find under which package a particular file comes |
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| 18:50.30 | gan0713 | abrotman: any suggestions |
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| 18:50.45 | cyd0rk | gan0713: apt-file |
| 18:51.21 | stew | gan0713: "dpkg -S filename" or "dlocate filename" if its already installed, otherwise apt-file or packages.debian.org |
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| 18:58.08 | usr13 | hello |
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| 19:01.38 | g333k | Hi, I just had a reboot.... I think something crashed... how can I check if my filesystems are ok? |
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| 19:02.09 | g333k | I just upgrade to kernel 2.6.16.... is there any issue with this kernel? |
| 19:02.11 | usr13 | is synaptic package manager the preferred package manager for Debian (as far as GUI apps) |
| 19:02.14 | roxy_ | I am looking for gui tool for workstation firewall, what is the best: knetfilter or guarddog ? |
| 19:02.19 | stew | usr13: aptitude is |
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| 19:03.06 | abrotman | gan0713: eh? |
| 19:03.15 | abrotman | gan0713: /msg dpkg search |
| 19:03.18 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:03.50 | usr13 | Well, I have a friend that is trying to use synaptic and getting error: Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: |
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| 19:04.00 | stew | usr13: /msg dpkg run stuff as root |
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| 19:05.00 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:05.04 | kasper | how can i access tail /var/log/auth.log from a normal user? |
| 19:05.09 | stew | !tell usr13 about run stuff as root |
| 19:05.21 | g333k | Hi, how can I check if my filesystems are ok? |
| 19:05.23 | dooglus | kasper: "sudo tail -f /var/log/auth.log" |
| 19:05.26 | blondie | kasper: you can't |
| 19:05.54 | stew | g333k: mount the volume read-only and run fsck on it (man fsck) |
| 19:06.19 | roxy_ | I got: PAM unable to dlopen(/lib/security/pam_tmpdir.so) . Am I missing a package ? |
| 19:06.31 | sepski | kasper, add your user to the adm group ? |
| 19:06.41 | usr13 | Is synaptic broken? |
| 19:06.48 | stew | usr13: no, why? |
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| 19:07.01 | g333k | stew, does it work for lvm too? |
| 19:07.06 | stew | g333k: yes |
| 19:07.12 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:07.12 | kasper | dooglus: i know i can sudo (guess i shoulda explained a lil better) i've got a applicaton (gdesklet) that outputs tail n a transparent dock, and won't allow me to execute terminal commands. |
| 19:07.18 | usr13 | and on my friend's either. |
| 19:07.24 | stew | usr13: did you read the stuff that dpkg told you? |
| 19:07.28 | kasper | sepski: I've added my self to the root group but no dice. adm you say |
| 19:07.29 | usr13 | (We are both new users.) |
| 19:07.38 | stew | dpkg: run stuff as root |
| 19:07.38 | dpkg | "export XAUTHORITY=$HOME/.Xauthority" in your environment BEFORE you su, DO NOT use "su -" because that blows away your variable setting above. See also <sux>, <sshx>, <mit-magic-cookie>. |
| 19:07.39 | stew | usr13: ^^^ |
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| 19:07.41 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 19:08.10 | nekostar | mmmm |
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| 19:08.16 | nekostar | how do i make a hard link ? |
| 19:08.19 | Tenable | www.nessus.org |
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| 19:08.23 | stew | nekostar: ln source target |
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| 19:08.29 | nekostar | i tried ln -d /directory/one /directory/two |
| 19:08.32 | nekostar | but it didnt work |
| 19:08.46 | nekostar | ln: creating hard link `/good/ehh' to `/good/omg/': Operation not permitted <<--- |
| 19:09.05 | stew | nekostar: yeah, you can't symlink directories on many filesystems |
| 19:09.08 | stew | err |
| 19:09.10 | stew | hardlink |
| 19:09.14 | CovWork | nekostar: the documentation for ln tells you to expect that |
| 19:09.21 | kasper | sepski: adm no go |
| 19:09.25 | nekostar | ln: `/good/eh/': hard link not allowed for directory <<-- |
| 19:09.28 | nekostar | Covener, yeah i know |
| 19:09.31 | nekostar | i wanna force the link |
| 19:09.41 | stew | nekostar: you can't |
| 19:09.52 | nekostar | using pureftpd and i dont see an option in the pure-ftpd-wrapper to follow symlinks |
| 19:10.07 | nekostar | though its an option for the ftpd itself.. so it SHOULD be there somewhere.... !_! |
| 19:10.08 | nekostar | XD |
| 19:10.09 | sepski | kasper, did you relogin ? |
| 19:10.31 | kasper | sepski: no opened new terminal. i need to relogin? |
| 19:10.50 | nekostar | i need to chroot my users... but at the same time have them be able to access files from more than one hdd |
| 19:10.58 | nekostar | without needing two accts !_! |
| 19:11.30 | usr13 | so it is the difference between "su" and "su -" |
| 19:11.45 | stew | nekostar: uhh, there was no way you were going to hardlink two things from two different drives, that doens't make sense |
| 19:11.53 | nekostar | no ? |
| 19:11.58 | stew | no |
| 19:12.02 | nekostar | so the link from / to /home is sym ? |
| 19:12.06 | nekostar | for instance |
| 19:12.16 | stew | huh? |
| 19:12.16 | nekostar | i just wanna mount one folder on another really.... |
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| 19:12.26 | nekostar | but i couldnt get a mount command that made sense either |
| 19:12.27 | nekostar | well |
| 19:12.29 | gan0713 | thanks cyd0rk stew |
| 19:12.37 | nekostar | my / /var /home are on diff partitions... |
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| 19:12.40 | nekostar | !_! |
| 19:12.41 | dpkg | it has been said that _ is ALT-255 |
| 19:12.47 | sepski | nekostar, if you mount it within their chroot they acn use it if you mount it outside they can't |
| 19:12.49 | nekostar | was trying to use as example for what i want kinda.. |
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| 19:12.50 | stew | nekostar: they aren't linked |
| 19:12.53 | sepski | but you may do some mount -bind trickery |
| 19:12.54 | gan0713 | and why the debian have apache2 apache also named named9 |
| 19:12.59 | kasper | sepski: good look!!!! thanks!!!!! it worked |
| 19:13.03 | stew | nekostar: you really just want a symlink |
| 19:13.13 | nekostar | stew, tried that |
| 19:13.19 | gan0713 | i.e bind bind9 |
| 19:13.19 | stew | nekostar: and? |
| 19:13.29 | nekostar | it wont follow symlink as a chrooted user |
| 19:13.35 | nekostar | with pure-ftpd |
| 19:13.37 | stew | nekostar: oh, you don't know how to configure pureftpd? you should fix that, not try to do funky things with your filesystem |
| 19:13.54 | nekostar | that was my initial thing i tried |
| 19:13.55 | stew | oh, chrooted, yeah, that makes sense |
| 19:14.01 | LinuxHelp | whats that program you run (on debs testing) that sets up your /etc/X11/xorg.conf called again? |
| 19:14.03 | nekostar | i coudlnt find the wrapper + chrooted that lets follow links |
| 19:14.03 | nekostar | :D |
| 19:14.11 | stew | !drxxorg LinuxHelp |
| 19:14.11 | dpkg | LinuxHelp: run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" as root. If you have edited /etc/X11/xorg.conf by hand or have used some other tool to configure x, ask me about <xorgmd5> |
| 19:14.12 | roxy_ | usr13: login non login shell |
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| 19:14.26 | stew | nekostar: you don't want them to follow symlinks out of the chroot if they are chrooted |
| 19:14.29 | sepski | gan0713, bind ? bind8 bind9 = bind9 2 populøar versions of the same thing |
| 19:14.37 | stew | nekostar: that would defeat the point of chrooting them |
| 19:14.46 | sepski | nekostar, you can try mount -bind |
| 19:14.46 | nekostar | stew, i want them to follow that symlink but also be chrooted there too |
| 19:14.51 | LinuxHelp | stew: would you say I might want to delete (or rename) xorg.conf before I do that? |
| 19:14.51 | nekostar | mount -bind |
| 19:14.54 | nekostar | mm |
| 19:14.55 | stew | nekostar: no you don't |
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| 19:15.01 | nekostar | no i dont ? |
| 19:15.03 | gan0713 | so i should have only one of them isnt that right |
| 19:15.30 | nekostar | the folder structure is ok for them to see |
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| 19:15.31 | gan0713 | sepski: ? |
| 19:15.31 | sepski | gan0713, depends on your needs. but generaly yes only one of them |
| 19:15.31 | nekostar | but i have initial chroot in /files/here |
| 19:15.31 | nekostar | and also /good/omg |
| 19:15.41 | nekostar | i want a normal chrooted user to be able to grab files or toss files in either |
| 19:15.46 | stew | nekostar: you wan't mount --bind i guess, if all they needed to break out of the chroot was a symlink there would be no point in chrooting |
| 19:15.53 | nekostar | so i need two accts fpr each user ? |
| 19:15.57 | gan0713 | where will be the bind log.. i coudnt find it in /var/log |
| 19:15.59 | nekostar | !_! |
| 19:15.59 | dpkg | from memory, _ is ALT-255 |
| 19:16.10 | nekostar | ty dpkg ~_~ |
| 19:16.15 | stew | nekostar: you want mount --bind i guess |
| 19:16.26 | nekostar | well |
| 19:16.29 | nekostar | ill give it a shot |
| 19:16.30 | gan0713 | my bind is restarting but when i use dig @localhost sitename.com |
| 19:16.32 | gan0713 | it fails |
| 19:16.36 | nekostar | make a chrooted user for me and try it |
| 19:16.40 | nekostar | thanx :) bbiab |
| 19:17.01 | mha13 | one of my user is unable to use the keypad section of the keyboard (where are the num lock and 0-9 + - buttoms) |
| 19:17.21 | mha13 | *users |
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| 19:18.57 | mha13 | it is like that keyboard is configuration massed up .. |
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| 19:20.21 | g333k | Hi, a pass fsck to one filesystem, the output was 14.1% files non-contiguos, is it a bad result? Can I do something to improve that? |
| 19:20.35 | g333k | I passed * |
| 19:20.56 | LinuxHelp | !xorgmd5 |
| 19:20.56 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" will no longer work, To see if this is the case 'md5sum -c /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf/md5sum' - if this files differ, then dpkg-reconfigure will not overwrite your existing xorg.conf. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg", losing any manual changes you've mad |
| 19:21.05 | nekostar | OMNG THATS IT EXACTLY!!!! u guys rule :) |
| 19:21.06 | fourat | my printers are showing this message : Unable to open USB port device file: No such file or directory |
| 19:21.12 | tcv | play that funky file system |
| 19:21.16 | fourat | it was working before last upgrade |
| 19:21.46 | nekostar | stew, sepski yeah --bind did it... now how can i make it do that every time i boot system ?? |
| 19:21.54 | abrotman | fourat: modprobe usblp |
| 19:21.58 | stew | nekostar: put it in fstab |
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| 19:22.18 | LinuxHelp | er what do I do If I've deleted my /etc/X11/xorg.conf... dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg still says its "customised" |
| 19:22.23 | nekostar | stew, um lemme see here ... |
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| 19:22.34 | sepski | nekostar, perhaps you can do it in fstab. if you can't script it |
| 19:22.45 | nekostar | /good/omg //files/more auto 0 0 <<--- like that ? |
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| 19:22.56 | stew | nekostar: you need the bind option |
| 19:23.00 | nekostar | o? |
| 19:23.05 | nekostar | oh |
| 19:23.14 | nekostar | /good/omg //files/more auto bind,user 0 0 <<--- like that ? |
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| 19:23.45 | nekostar | meh how does one script something to execute on boot anyway ? got a linky ? |
| 19:23.48 | stew | nekostar: that should work |
| 19:23.57 | nekostar | ok lemme try that and ill mount -a |
| 19:23.59 | nekostar | :) |
| 19:24.05 | abrotman | nekostar: read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:24.09 | stew | nekostar: /etc/init.d/README but there is no reason to script this, its what fstab is made for |
| 19:24.15 | abrotman | !run at start |
| 19:24.15 | dpkg | Make a init script by copying /etc/init.d/skeleton, put it in /etc/init.d/ then install it with update-rc.d, or read /etc/init.d/README |
| 19:24.26 | fourat | abrotman, it's already probed : |
| 19:24.26 | fourat | lsmod|grep usb |
| 19:24.26 | fourat | usblp 12032 0 |
| 19:24.26 | fourat | usbcore 104292 6 hsfosspec,usblp,ehci_hcd,ohci_hcd |
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| 19:24.29 | raf256 | damn broken support for i810/i915 video cards in debian testing.. :[ how can I fix it actually? I have hand builded 2.6.17.7 |
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| 19:24.38 | abrotman | raf256: look at the wiki |
| 19:24.45 | abrotman | fourat: that was my bright idea .. |
| 19:24.47 | stew | !dw raf256 Xorg69To7 |
| 19:24.47 | dpkg | raf256: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
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| 19:25.28 | raf256 | stew: I tried running the downloaded snapshot from dri xorg desktop thingy, but I complained about missing ../scripts/list_pci_linux_ports.sh or something in the kernel tree.. wtf |
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| 19:25.54 | stew | raf256: dunno |
| 19:26.07 | g333k | Is there a way to defrag filesystems in linux? |
| 19:26.20 | zinx | yes |
| 19:26.20 | stew | g333k: yes, but its generally thought of as a waste of time |
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| 19:26.31 | stew | !defrag |
| 19:26.32 | dpkg | somebody said defrag was the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 19:26.53 | nekostar | stew, and co yeah fstab did it using the bind,user configuration :) totally awesome as usual ^_________^ |
| 19:27.07 | g333k | stew, even using lvm? what if I have too many non-contiguos files? |
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| 19:27.58 | stew | g333k: lvm has nothing to do with it |
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| 19:28.52 | LinuxHelp | well I can testify that defrag did indeed help with ntfs. |
| 19:29.10 | nekostar | o: |
| 19:29.25 | nekostar | i would LOVE to defrag |
| 19:29.32 | abrotman | !defrag |
| 19:29.32 | dpkg | defrag is probably the best windows screensaver, or what windows users do for emotional satisfaction when the frequency of illegal operations and bluescreens has become too big |
| 19:29.36 | LinuxHelp | so I wouldnt quite call it emotional satisfaction |
| 19:29.39 | nekostar | lmfao |
| 19:29.48 | nekostar | abrotman, sure sure |
| 19:29.56 | nekostar | what about when i wanna shrink a partition |
| 19:29.57 | nekostar | >:P |
| 19:30.14 | nekostar | what about disk seek // access times? |
| 19:30.32 | nekostar | my file structure is very volitile.. |
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| 19:31.55 | SerajewelKS | i've got a debian box on my LAN with an IPv6 tunnel. how can i NAT/whatever this to the rest of my LAN so that IPv6 packets will get sent through this tunnel, but with the TPv6 address of my v6 endpoint? |
| 19:31.59 | stew | !defrag is also http://cbbrowne.com/info/defrag.html |
| 19:31.59 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 19:32.04 | g333k | why I'm not able to reboot correctly my debian? I always got the "give root password for maintenance |
| 19:32.04 | g333k | (or type Control-D for normal startup):" |
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| 19:32.34 | stew | g333k: give the root password and fsck the partitions |
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| 19:34.15 | g333k | stew, I did that and I have no errors, before that message it says: xxxxxxx exited outside the expected code flow, where xxxxxxx are different services |
| 19:34.20 | abrotman | nekostar: there is a solution |
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| 19:34.42 | usr13 | how can I get my system to start the X server on boot-up? |
| 19:34.51 | nekostar | abauer, oh ? |
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| 19:34.59 | nekostar | er abrotman rather >_< |
| 19:35.02 | alex___ | sweet mother of god, im in this CSS seminar |
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| 19:35.09 | alex___ | and it's the most boring thing I have ever sat through, ever |
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| 19:35.19 | nekostar | counter strike strike o.O |
| 19:35.23 | alex___ | its boring to such a degree that I felt compelled to join #Debian |
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| 19:35.59 | usr13 | Do I add a line in /etc/inittab in order to start X server automatically? |
| 19:35.59 | LinuxHelp | so my dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg is deformed, and wont regenerate my xorg.conf, its totally convinced that /etc/X11/X has been modified, even though I've re-md-summed it |
| 19:36.00 | abrotman | nekostar: sure .. you can tar up the whole filesystem .. format the partition .. then untar it back |
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| 19:37.26 | Althaser | how can I see which application's version I am running ? please |
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| 19:37.32 | usr13 | I think I may have realized on my own, that I first need to install gdm or kdm. |
| 19:37.38 | Kernel-Kris | i have a firewall, and traffic can go from workstations to the box but the box itself cannont make it to the machines ...any suggestions |
| 19:37.51 | nekostar | abrotman, then i need space for the tar lol |
| 19:37.52 | LinuxHelp | usr13, dont you mean you want to start kdm/ xdm / gdm, ah |
| 19:38.05 | usr13 | yes, kdm |
| 19:38.14 | LinuxHelp | usr13, installing those packages will add a script to /etc/init.d/ |
| 19:38.26 | usr13 | So, ... ok. I'll see |
| 19:38.32 | wut | I have a problem apt-get installing anything I get this error http://pastebin.ca/108950 |
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| 19:40.06 | usr13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.30 | LinuxHelp | wut, If you're feeling lucky, you could try using the stand-alone dpkg binary with an override to overwrite files, on the .deb in your cache |
| 19:40.45 | blondie | LinuxHelp: are you the main helper here? |
| 19:41.05 | LinuxHelp | blondie, I'm not particulary brilliant |
| 19:41.28 | wut | dpkg binary? |
| 19:41.29 | dpkg | binary is probably base 2, a way of coding numbers using only 0 and 1 digits instead of base 10, which has 0, 1, ... 9 |
| 19:41.35 | LinuxHelp | I just remember myself asking these questions once upon a time |
| 19:41.40 | blondie | LinuxHelp: well, just going from your nick ;) |
| 19:42.10 | LinuxHelp | wut, type "dpkg" into your console |
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| 19:43.22 | LinuxHelp | better yet, type dpkg --force-help |
| 19:43.29 | wut | dpkg --force-overwrite libcomedi0? |
| 19:43.50 | LinuxHelp | almost, but you need to have an actual deb in there |
| 19:44.26 | LinuxHelp | so do a locate for libcomedi0 and look for the deb |
| 19:44.27 | LinuxHelp | then do the dpkg on that |
| 19:44.30 | wut | apt-cache search for libcomedi? |
| 19:44.40 | LinuxHelp | no "locate xxxx" |
| 19:44.53 | abrotman | nekostar: i gave you a solution! |
| 19:45.34 | stew | wut: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:45.42 | wut | dpkg --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libcomedi-0.7.22_0.7.22-2.2_i386.deb gives me the error "dpkg: need an action option" |
| 19:45.46 | wut | get rid of libcomedi |
| 19:45.50 | wut | because it's messing up apt |
| 19:45.59 | stew | wut: how is it messing up apt? |
| 19:46.02 | LinuxHelp | dpkg -i --force-overwrite /var/cache/apt/archives/libcomedi-0.7.22_0.7.22-2.2_i386.deb |
| 19:46.12 | stew | no |
| 19:46.20 | LinuxHelp | yes! |
| 19:46.23 | stew | LinuxHelp: NO |
| 19:46.40 | LinuxHelp | *g* |
| 19:46.43 | stew | LinuxHelp: you think that is going to get rid of libcomedi? |
| 19:47.01 | wut | that |
| 19:47.03 | wut | did not work |
| 19:47.14 | LinuxHelp | oh well, was worth a shot.. |
| 19:47.15 | stew | wut: how is libcomedi "messing up apt"? |
| 19:47.25 | wut | http://pastebin.ca/108989 |
| 19:47.34 | wut | stew: I have a problem apt-get installing anything I get this error http://pastebin.ca/108950 |
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| 19:48.04 | yang | how do i dpkg -l (verbose) ? |
| 19:48.06 | omry | anyone knows viewcvs? I tried it, but it does not php files in the repository. |
| 19:48.12 | stew | wut: what happens if you "apt-get remove libcomedi" |
| 19:48.21 | stew | yang: what do you mean by verbose? |
| 19:48.28 | wut | E: Couldn't find package libcomedi |
| 19:48.40 | yang | stew: i need full name of installed packages, it lists only partial names |
| 19:48.52 | stew | yang: "COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l" |
| 19:49.14 | LinuxHelp | wut, what happens with apt-get install makedev |
| 19:49.15 | stew | wut: what about "apt-get remove libcomedi-0.7.22" |
| 19:49.29 | stew | wut: is this really debian? where did this broken libcomedi package come from? |
| 19:49.40 | stew | lunitik: its in the manpage :) |
| 19:49.40 | mha13 | im unable to use my keypad |
| 19:49.51 | wut | stew, it came from debian |
| 19:50.00 | stew | oh, it does, nm |
| 19:50.05 | mha13 | *keypad section of my keyboard |
| 19:50.06 | lunitik | stew: its not an environment thing? :( |
| 19:50.11 | stew | it is |
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| 19:50.48 | abrotman | lunitik: you can set it that way .. but some programs reset it |
| 19:50.53 | lunitik | stew: so its in man bash? |
| 19:50.54 | azurit | hi |
| 19:50.55 | stew | lunitik: its in the "ENVIRONMENT VARIABLES" section |
| 19:51.00 | stew | lunitik: no its in man dpkg |
| 19:51.06 | wut | stew, LinuxHelp, http://pastebin.ca/109001 |
| 19:51.18 | lunitik | stew: abrotman: hmm, thanks |
| 19:51.29 | azurit | i installed new locales (not chenge the default one) any unicode characters on the webs started to display wrong |
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| 19:52.02 | azurit | but the only text which is in DB (MySQL) |
| 19:52.06 | azurit | where should be the problem ? |
| 19:52.12 | stew | wut: have you tried "apt-get -f dist-upgrade"? you might try running the "aptitude" frontend which has much better dependency resolution |
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| 19:52.17 | azurit | i tryied to uninstall that locales but it didn't help |
| 19:52.21 | alex___ | my PHB is all excited about CSS now that it's "OMG CHANGE THE SITE WITH A CLICK" |
| 19:52.39 | stew | wut: if you still have xfree86-common installed then you never successfully ran dist-upgrade |
| 19:52.41 | alex___ | when it was "this will make all of our sites more managable and lead to higher organic search engine ratings" he was snoring hahaha |
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| 19:53.05 | wut | i see, i'm running -f dist-upgrade now |
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| 19:53.18 | RogerBacon | i |
| 19:53.21 | asg | lunitik: bah |
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| 19:53.41 | lunitik | asg: humbug? |
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| 19:53.43 | abrotman | RogerBacon: you? |
| 19:53.45 | mha13 | lunitik:why do ppl need to stop using apt-get ? |
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| 19:53.51 | abrotman | RogerBacon: have you played uhm .. that video game? |
| 19:53.58 | abrotman | crap .. what is it called ... |
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| 19:54.17 | lunitik | mha13: aptitude is more useful, and thus prefered... |
| 19:54.23 | stew | lunitik: the release notes said to use aptitude for the dist-upgrade from woody because a bug in apt-get which has since been fixed |
| 19:54.24 | RogerBacon | heu .. no |
| 19:54.27 | RogerBacon | you are ? |
| 19:54.44 | abrotman | there's a game for PS2 where the villan is Roger Bacon |
| 19:54.44 | RogerBacon | i find the CodeWeaver CrossOffice Pro 5.0 (.sh - multilanguage) the link is : http://rapidshare.de/files/6874664/install_coopro500sh.zip.html |
| 19:54.47 | lunitik | stew: oh... I'll shut up then :P |
| 19:54.48 | abrotman | (i know about the other guy) |
| 19:54.56 | wut | sarge to etch~ |
| 19:54.57 | mha13 | lunitik: but apt is so userfreandly and easy |
| 19:54.58 | abrotman | erm .. the real guy |
| 19:55.11 | mha13 | lunitik: also it is easyer to handele |
| 19:55.18 | abrotman | Shadow Hearts |
| 19:55.21 | LinuxHelp | synaptic > all |
| 19:55.33 | Guerin | no way |
| 19:55.43 | Guerin | can't use synaptic with a broken X server |
| 19:55.51 | Guerin | aptitude > * |
| 19:55.52 | aptitude | rumour has it, * is ms*ft |
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| 19:56.00 | Guerin | wth |
| 19:56.03 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 19:56.07 | stew | aptitude: forget * |
| 19:56.07 | aptitude | stew: i forgot * |
| 19:56.12 | lunitik | mha13: aptitude has better syntax for something things... (ie, purge instead of remove --purge, reinstall instead of install --reinstall etc) and better conflict resolution, amoungst other things... but whatever, choice is neat |
| 19:56.22 | stew | err i guess there is no point in removing that from aptitude |
| 19:56.38 | RogerBacon | yes, and aptitude is journalised |
| 19:57.06 | mha13 | what configures the keyboard ? |
| 19:57.10 | mha13 | i mean file .. |
| 19:57.15 | pstickne | is there a good place to search repositories for a specific feature? |
| 19:57.25 | pstickne | I'm looking for a X11RC7.1 (for AIGLX) |
| 19:57.27 | dabreegster | mha13: console or X? |
| 19:57.27 | Guerin | pstickne: what do you mean by 'feature'? |
| 19:57.30 | asg | mha13: /msg dpkg keymap |
| 19:57.37 | dabreegster | pstickne: apt-cache search keyword # s/feature/package/? |
| 19:57.38 | mha13 | only in X |
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| 19:57.58 | stew | pstickne: i don't believe it has been packaged for debian yet |
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| 19:58.01 | pstickne | dabreegster, I couldn't find anything tagged aiglx and X11RC7 is testing |
| 19:58.06 | lunitik | pstickne: Xorg 7.1 is being worked on |
| 19:58.19 | mha13 | dabreegster:only one user on my system is unable to use his keypad section of the keyboard |
| 19:58.26 | pstickne | *sigh* well, at least I *should* have EXA ;) |
| 19:58.42 | lunitik | LinuxHelp: said something about file has changed? |
| 19:59.01 | LinuxHelp | lunitik yeah, even though I redid md5sums |
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| 19:59.46 | lunitik | LinuxHelp: ahh, so directing you at xorgmd5 is pointless... doh |
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| 19:59.54 | pstickne | I'm going to cry. I feel so unhip. |
| 20:00.00 | pstickne | No Xgl/aiglx for me :( |
| 20:00.25 | faires | Somebody there able to help with mod_python config? |
| 20:00.39 | Guerin | faires: httpd.apache.org |
| 20:01.00 | faires | I just installed (through synaptic) apache and mod_python |
| 20:01.10 | asg | faires: also, /usr/share/doc/libapache-mod-python |
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| 20:01.28 | cyd0rk | pstickne: if you want it that badly you can try http://sonique54.free.fr/xgl/xgl.htm !! At your risk of course!!! |
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| 20:01.37 | faires | Guerin: thanks, but seems to be a Debian-specific issue |
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| 20:01.58 | derek__ | could anyone direct me to a url that helps to explain the current problem with debian-testing? |
| 20:02.20 | faires | That's why I'm here... |
| 20:02.21 | stew | derek__: which problem? |
| 20:02.22 | mha13 | asg: i read the man for xmodmap but _i know i didn't changed it_ how can i fix it ? |
| 20:02.23 | cyd0rk | derek__: huh??? |
| 20:02.24 | pstickne | cyd0rk, I really want to try aiglx, xgl is suppose to have problems with M9 radeons. that and I don't really like the nested X design. |
| 20:02.47 | derek__ | stew: i seem to be experiencing a problem apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrading |
| 20:03.04 | cyd0rk | pstickne: like i said it's not offically in debian yet, so we cant support it!! |
| 20:03.07 | pstickne | cyd0rk, but thanks for the link, I might be tempted ;) |
| 20:03.16 | Guerin | faires: well, not much in debian's apache packages is customised, so I rather doubt the apache doc can't help, but you can ask. |
| 20:03.21 | pstickne | cyd0rk, heh, not asking for support, just feeling around |
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| 20:03.41 | stew | derek__: be more specific. show us what you are typing and what output you are getting, use a pastebin: http://paste.debian.net |
| 20:04.09 | pstickne | is there a way to find a package based off of a filename? (the package is -not- installed so I can't use dpkg). eg: I'm looking for glxgears |
| 20:04.38 | pstickne | err, nvm |
| 20:04.41 | derek__ | stew: unable to stat source package list, i will paste if that's not enough |
| 20:04.41 | asg | mha13: iirc, just re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and choice your map there. |
| 20:04.43 | LinuxHelp | pstickne: I would try an apt-cache search glxgears |
| 20:04.43 | stew | pstickne: /msg dpkg apt-file |
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| 20:04.54 | pstickne | LinuxHelp, yeah, I'm retarded, thanks |
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| 20:05.14 | stew | derek__: can you pastebin the actual output and the contents of /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:05.22 | LinuxHelp | pstickne, dont worry, dpkg-reconfigure is retarded too! |
| 20:05.29 | dooglus | pstickne: http://packages.debian.org/ can be useful for searching for programs. as can 'apt-file' |
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| 20:06.06 | faires | Guerin: the problem is that I need to know where the Python Handler is installed... |
| 20:06.12 | g333k | do you know way to convert from ppt to jpg or pdf or gif ? |
| 20:06.35 | stew | g333k: either something netpbm or convert from imagemagick |
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| 20:06.50 | Guerin | faires: dpkg -L libapache-mod-python |
| 20:07.07 | pstickne | g333k, I would try OpenOffice |
| 20:07.16 | Guerin | i'd use oo.o as well |
| 20:07.24 | Guerin | the oo.o pdf export is pretty slid |
| 20:07.32 | Guerin | solid, even |
| 20:07.40 | Guerin | unlike the html export |
| 20:07.41 | pstickne | wow. glxgears used like 100% cpu and ran like 1fps :( |
| 20:07.42 | pstickne | wtf. |
| 20:07.58 | Guerin | pstickne: paint red stripes on the side |
| 20:08.06 | LinuxHelp | pstickne, amd sempron? |
| 20:08.16 | pstickne | P-M 1.6Ghz |
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| 20:08.38 | cyd0rk | pstickne: and GPU? |
| 20:08.41 | g333k | pstickne, I need to do it by console |
| 20:08.46 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 20:09.06 | derek__ | stew: http://paste.debian.net/9984 ...thanks in advance friend |
| 20:09.06 | pstickne | M9 (the mobile FG) |
| 20:09.06 | cyd0rk | g333k: convert is best option for you |
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| 20:09.12 | james | hey. how can I force apt-get to install a certain package, even with unmet dependencies? |
| 20:09.23 | stew | james: why do you want to? |
| 20:09.24 | madclicker | I am trying to send an email with outlook through postfix and I have a .doc file attached. Every time I send that doc file the recipient recieves 60 of them |
| 20:09.42 | pstickne | cyd0rk, in slackware I was getting 70fps with no driver config and 1700fps with fglrx |
| 20:09.50 | james | stew: uhm because I'm pretty sure the deps are not necessary |
| 20:09.57 | james | but I still wanna install that stuff |
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| 20:10.39 | cyd0rk | james: then they wont be called dependancies :P |
| 20:10.44 | stew | james: you can't. which packages are you talking about? |
| 20:11.22 | cyd0rk | pstickne: and are you using fglrx now? |
| 20:11.34 | pstickne | cyd0rk, no, xorgs ati driver |
| 20:12.11 | pstickne | cyd0rk, fglrx literally runs less then a fps, doesn't update the fps to STDOUT and kills other x ui updates |
| 20:12.26 | pstickne | err, fglrx => glxgears |
| 20:12.45 | g333k | cydork, I think convert is from one image format to another not from ppt fo jpg ie. |
| 20:12.50 | stew | pstickne: did you pass a specific option to glxgears to have it print ftp to stdout |
| 20:13.07 | cyd0rk | !glxgears |
| 20:13.07 | dpkg | methinks glxgears is an opengl demo. it is not a good benchmark, in fact in recent versions of glxgears you must pass it the -iacknowledgethatthistoolisnotabenchmark flag in order to get it to report fps information. now located in the mesa-utils package. |
| 20:13.35 | LinuxHelp | Um how do I generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg runs successfully but still there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf |
| 20:13.49 | stew | LinuxHelp: /msg dpkg drxxorg |
| 20:13.52 | james | stew: I was trying to get audacious from a non default repository .. it tells my some deps are not met because of the wrong version, but I'm sure that those versions should work |
| 20:14.02 | stew | LinuxHelp: you have to create an empty file there then follow the instructions above |
| 20:14.07 | LinuxHelp | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:14.12 | pstickne | okay, about 120fps, but why does it make *everything* run so slow? xchat becomes nearly unusable when it runs |
| 20:14.22 | stew | james: you should rebuild the package with a corrected control file then |
| 20:14.29 | LinuxHelp | !drxxorg |
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| 20:14.34 | cyd0rk | g333k: oh i dont think if ppt can be converted to jpg by any console app. |
| 20:14.36 | LinuxHelp | !drxorg |
| 20:14.36 | zinx | pstickne: Because it's taking all your CPU. |
| 20:14.43 | LinuxHelp | I give up |
| 20:14.43 | asg | LinuxHelp: /msg dpkg listkeys foo |
| 20:14.44 | beardy | Good. |
| 20:14.44 | cyd0rk | !drxx |
| 20:14.44 | dpkg | drxx is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
| 20:14.50 | james | you really can't force apt-get to install stuff |
| 20:14.55 | james | sad thing |
| 20:15.00 | pstickne | zinx, right, but why? :( |
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| 20:15.06 | g333k | cyd0rk, maybe ppt to pfd and pdf to jpg |
| 20:15.14 | pstickne | zinx, nice -n 19 doesn't seem to make a difference |
| 20:15.21 | zinx | pstickne: and because the 'ati' driver's 2d accel probably isn't that fast.. and may well be locking the system so that other things don't interrupt it speaking to the card |
| 20:15.21 | derek__ | could someone paste their working testing branch version of /etc/apt/sources.list to paste.debian.net so i can compare against mine? |
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| 20:15.34 | zinx | pstickne: X is probably what's taking most of the CPU |
| 20:15.37 | zinx | pstickne: not glxgears |
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| 20:15.51 | pstickne | zinx, on a 16.Ghz CPU ... ? |
| 20:15.52 | cyd0rk | g333k: no idea at all!! |
| 20:15.56 | LinuxHelp | c'mon guys I dont run xfree86 |
| 20:16.01 | zinx | pstickne: on a 1.6GHz CPU, sure |
| 20:16.03 | pstickne | zinx, to update a 100x100 area? |
| 20:16.06 | LinuxHelp | I run xorg |
| 20:16.12 | zinx | pstickne: Yeah. |
| 20:16.12 | wut | stew, it works now |
| 20:16.13 | DogWater | Does anyone know if there is some way to edit all user quotas at the same time instead of one at a time? |
| 20:16.16 | dabreegster | pstickne: 16GHz? Er, what century are you in? |
| 20:16.26 | pstickne | zinx, okay, what's broken -- this doesn't happen in slackware |
| 20:16.28 | solars | hey, I want to install testdisk (unstable upgraded from stable), but apt says: testdisk: Depends: libntfs8 (>= 1.12.1) but it is not installable, can anyone help me with that? |
| 20:16.28 | zinx | pstickne: X is niced to -5 or such on Debian. |
| 20:16.37 | beardy | LinuxHelp: Let us know if you have trouble reading. |
| 20:16.38 | cyd0rk | !tell LinuxHelp about drxx |
| 20:16.40 | pstickne | zinx, even when I was running at 300Mhz, it wasn't this bad on slackware |
| 20:16.42 | lunitik | dabreegster: the one I wish I was in :P |
| 20:16.47 | somethingelse | hey guys, can anyone help me out with Internet Connection sharing? I enabled ip forwarding, both systems can ping eachpther, but the client can't get out to the net for some reason... |
| 20:16.50 | zinx | pstickne: And you probably had a different video card, as well. |
| 20:16.54 | lunitik | That'd be insanely fast!! |
| 20:16.55 | pstickne | dabreegster, it's a T40 thinkpad |
| 20:17.03 | pstickne | zinx, stop saying stupid stuff. |
| 20:17.18 | pstickne | zinx, there is a reason why it is being so slow |
| 20:17.24 | pstickne | zinx, it's not the CPU or GPU |
| 20:17.26 | lunitik | pstickne: thats a sure fire way to get no help from anyone |
| 20:17.28 | mha13 | http://paste.debian.net/9985 = sources.list |
| 20:17.28 | zinx | (zinx) pstickne: X is niced to -5 or such on Debian. |
| 20:17.31 | LinuxHelp | (22:13:24) LinuxHelp: Um how do I generate /etc/X11/xorg.conf? dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg runs successfully but still there is no /etc/X11/xorg.conf Let me know if you have trouble reading, stew |
| 20:17.32 | wut | stew, LinuxHelp thanks |
| 20:17.32 | derek__ | thanks mha13 |
| 20:17.37 | Vasistha | DogWater: why don't you write a bash script? |
| 20:17.42 | mha13 | somethingelse: it's for you |
| 20:17.58 | zinx | pstickne: I'm telling you all the reasons that can cause it, that I know of |
| 20:18.03 | cyd0rk | LinuxHelp: /msg dpkg confmiss |
| 20:18.04 | stew | LinuxHelp: create an empty file there and follow the instructions in /msg dpkg xorgmd5 |
| 20:18.06 | pstickne | zinx, sorry, I took offense to "zinx pstickne: And you probably had a different video card, as well." as meaning, upgrade -- it's the same system |
| 20:18.11 | LinuxHelp | Did I just say stew, how embarrasing |
| 20:18.16 | DogWater | Vasistha: I thought edquota wrote out to a binary |
| 20:18.17 | pstickne | zinx, it was running at 300Mhz because the CPU was locked-low |
| 20:18.19 | mha13 | derek__: np |
| 20:18.23 | LinuxHelp | I meant beardy |
| 20:18.29 | DogWater | i wouldnt know exactly how to do that sir |
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| 20:18.51 | zinx | pstickne: Those are, the nice value (likely), the video card+driver combination (somewhat less likely, but still quite likely), lack of, or presence of PREEMPT (not very likely), and very unlikely: the polling rate (1000Hz vs. 100Hz) |
| 20:19.00 | stew | LinuxHelp: the information in confmiss is helpful here, but reinstall xorg with confmiss won't help here |
| 20:19.07 | mha13 | where do loacl keymaps for users is stored ? |
| 20:19.09 | derek__ | mha13: so all i'd need is the one line? is something wrong with using http.us.debian.org/debian as a testing source? |
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| 20:19.24 | zinx | pstickne: Maybe someone else can think of other things, but that's all I've got for now. |
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| 20:19.33 | Vasistha | DogWater: 'edquota'? I'm not familiar with that, of course I've never used quotas ... but I mean, if all you do to set a quota is issue a command from the command prompt (which is all you *ought* to do, imo) then it should be easy with bash |
| 20:19.33 | pstickne | zinx, is there a reason X runs -5? |
| 20:19.35 | danf_1979 | this lines in APF installation: |
| 20:19.36 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.36 | danf_1979 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.47 | danf_1979 | should point to /etc/init.d/apf instead? |
| 20:19.55 | mha13 | derek__: many ppl reported issues with that mirror .. |
| 20:20.00 | lunitik | derek__: apparently http.us.debian.org points to mirrors.kernel.org which is having issues at the moment |
| 20:20.02 | zinx | pstickne: to increase responsiveness - usually people are not telling X to draw as fast as it can while eating all the CPU up |
| 20:20.03 | derek__ | awesome! |
| 20:20.08 | mha13 | derek__: outside the us |
| 20:20.16 | derek__ | hm, i'm inside the us |
| 20:20.26 | mha13 | any way i prefer to use local mirrors .. |
| 20:20.27 | derek__ | rockin |
| 20:20.35 | derek__ | you guys have been very helpful |
| 20:20.49 | derek__ | is it an md5 error just to clarify? |
| 20:21.06 | lunitik | derek__: I get mostly 404's... |
| 20:21.15 | mha13 | derek__: for it was md5 and 404 .. |
| 20:21.24 | derek__ | alright cool |
| 20:21.30 | lunitik | derek__: which would explain not fetching md5 's ;) |
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| 20:21.59 | lunitik | (hard to fetch md5's from sites you can't access) |
| 20:21.59 | LinuxHelp | stew, still, the xorg remains empty, even after I do that md5sum > thing for the second time |
| 20:22.00 | derek__ | good people in here, there's a place in heaven for people who give free tech support |
| 20:22.01 | beardy | mha13: They aren't, only their locale variables, LANG, LC_CTYPE and so on. They are set in the users dotfiles, .bashrc and/or .bash_profile. 'man locales' |
| 20:22.12 | Vasistha | derek__: there are lots of U.S. mirrors ... I picked one geographically close to me: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
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| 20:22.25 | stew | LinuxHelp: yes, now re-run dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 20:22.31 | mha13 | beardy: ok .. now im confused " |
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| 20:22.41 | LinuxHelp | stew, done, still empty |
| 20:23.02 | mha13 | beardy: ignore my last msg |
| 20:23.07 | ras | when I did lsusb i got "Bus 005 Device 007: ID 0457:0151 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp. Super Flash 1GB Flash Drive" but i cant figure out what device it is on so I can mount it, /dev/sda1..5 doesnt work |
| 20:23.08 | mha13 | beardy: and 10x .. |
| 20:23.10 | LinuxHelp | no error messages either |
| 20:23.24 | beardy | mha13: There is only one keymap for your system. WHich is used to translate what the physical keyboard attached to the box is saying. |
| 20:23.31 | raf256 | from the wiki "Upgrading the mesa stuff to the version in experimental will also work. -- JoeyHess" how to do this? <http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7#head-5bc0296170d3ffbabad940201aba6aa40c603f17> |
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| 20:23.47 | stew | raf256: experimental isn't supported here |
| 20:23.55 | raf256 | damn |
| 20:24.07 | mha13 | beardy:for some reason my user is unable to use main keypad in X (any other user can) |
| 20:24.13 | ras | when I did lsusb i got "Bus 005 Device 007: ID 0457:0151 Silicon Integrated Systems Corp. Super Flash 1GB Flash Drive" but i cant figure out what device it is on so I can mount it, /dev/sda1..5 doesnt work |
| 20:24.21 | raf256 | on testing, how to downgrade xorg to 6.9 then? |
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| 20:24.51 | derek__ | one more thing i just noticed, why would i get pdiffs from the main mirror and not from the new one i chosen? i was under the impression from what another user told me that testing uses pdiffs now |
| 20:24.52 | stew | raf256: /msg dpkg sdn |
| 20:24.55 | mha13 | ras:cat dmesg |grep Silicon |
| 20:24.59 | SerajewelKS | is it possible to masquerade an IPv6 address? |
| 20:25.06 | beardy | mha13: Is this when sitting at the machine, using the keyboard plugged in, or when connected remotely? |
| 20:25.16 | LinuxHelp | stew, It even asks me if I want to write default values to xorg.conf, and I say yes, but still nothing |
| 20:25.23 | stew | LinuxHelp: check the bts |
| 20:25.31 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:25.37 | LinuxHelp | !bts |
| 20:25.37 | dpkg | bts is the Bug Tracking System for Debian packages, http://bugs.debian.org/ or to go directly to the bug page for a particular package/bug, try http://bugs.debian.org/packagename or http://bugs.debian.org/bugnumber apt-get install reportbug, and check out querybts too. Unstable users are required to check the BTS, useful for sid: apt-get install apt-listbugs, or apt-get install apt-listchanges, or http://fabre.debian.net/ |
| 20:25.49 | mha13 | beardy: whit the keyboard pluged in (im runnig this account now) |
| 20:25.49 | beardy | !btssmite raf256 |
| 20:25.57 | stew | beardy: why? |
| 20:26.01 | enouf | LinuxHelp: trt sudo updatedb |
| 20:26.07 | sussudio | %shave beardy |
| 20:26.09 | sussudio | :-| |
| 20:26.11 | beardy | stew: Why not. He wants to run experimental. |
| 20:26.18 | enouf | LinuxHelp: s/trt/try |
| 20:26.18 | ras | mha13: no such file or directory |
| 20:26.21 | stew | beardy: so you hit him with a random factoid? |
| 20:26.30 | beardy | stew: Random? |
| 20:26.36 | LinuxHelp | enouf, incidently I just did that, but why did you suggest it? |
| 20:26.39 | raf256 | beardy: I don't want to. I need a driver from experimental to work around bug in it's testing version |
| 20:26.54 | stew | beardy: what does the bts have to do with sdn? |
| 20:27.01 | beardy | Oh, wrong person. |
| 20:27.07 | mha13 | ras:copy without the cat |
| 20:27.10 | enouf | LinuxHelp: worth a shot is all - also did you Restart X? |
| 20:27.35 | LinuxHelp | enouf, er X never started, there aint no xorg.conf |
| 20:27.54 | ras | mah13: nothing |
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| 20:28.14 | enouf | LinuxHelp: I thought you said "it works" or was working -- but I gues you mean the 'drxx' worked only |
| 20:28.47 | LinuxHelp | enouf, yes only the console-based wizard |
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| 20:29.10 | LinuxHelp | xinit/xdm no good, say that I need a device section in the (empty) xorg.conf |
| 20:29.25 | stew | LinuxHelp: you could try "dpkg -P --force-depends x11-common xserver-xorg && aptitude reinstall x11-common xserver-xorg" |
| 20:29.39 | stew | err s/reinstall/install/ |
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| 20:29.54 | enouf | LinuxHelp: Ok - I'm not sure what causes dr to actually write the config file -- but you sure you have all the necessary Xorg packages installed ? |
| 20:30.13 | stew | enouf: he's finding a bug in the x11-common.postinst |
| 20:30.24 | LinuxHelp | enouf, wouldnt have a clue, other than that on the previous computer, the display worked |
| 20:30.25 | stew | enouf: there have been many of this sort, its not suprising |
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| 20:30.44 | stew | err xserver-xorg.postinst i guess |
| 20:30.54 | enouf | stew: ok...I hear ya -- me too actually (in between going from etch and sid) |
| 20:31.41 | mha13 | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.58 | ras | yes |
| 20:32.04 | ras | my harfddrives |
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| 20:32.13 | ingram | hi |
| 20:32.20 | ingram | i have a big problem |
| 20:32.33 | mha13 | ras:what about the flash drive ? |
| 20:32.58 | ingram | how do i remove ntfs drives from Places -> Computer |
| 20:33.03 | ras | mha13:no |
| 20:33.10 | ingram | fstab lines are removed |
| 20:33.24 | stew | ingram: what is places -> computer? |
| 20:33.36 | ingram | To take from gnome |
| 20:33.36 | LinuxHelp | ^^ its a gnome thing |
| 20:34.04 | mha13 | ras: cat /var/log/dmesg|grep Flash |
| 20:34.12 | LinuxHelp | ingram, can't you remove from a file-open dialog? |
| 20:34.13 | Guerin | ingram: this is not #ubuntu |
| 20:34.26 | madclicker | does anyone knows how i could prevent outlook clients from sending partial messages? |
| 20:34.36 | ras | mha13:nothing |
| 20:34.41 | ingram | i know |
| 20:34.58 | Guerin | madclicker: how could you tell what's partial and what's complete? |
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| 20:35.32 | mha13 | ras:ok .. plug it out then plug it again then write cat /var/log/dmesg |
| 20:35.42 | madclicker | Guerin, rfc2064 , apparently M$ Outlook keeps fu**ink up and send partial messages |
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| 20:35.57 | ingram | if i do double click on hda1 device then it says: error: device /dev/hda1 is not removable |
| 20:35.58 | mha13 | ras:did you run mount (without anything to c if it allready mounted?) |
| 20:36.21 | enouf | stew: funny thing abou LinuxHelp's issue -- I just did 'dpkg -L' on each of those files and nada,zippo -- but 'locate xserver-xorg.post.inst (as well as x11common-post.inst) both show up in /var/lib/dpkg/info/ -- is it possible he's missing the file ?) |
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| 20:36.31 | ras | mha13:yes i did |
| 20:36.32 | beardy | mha13: 'dmesg' rather, /var/log/dmesg contains the messages from the boot, 'dmesg' outputs the recent additions |
| 20:37.10 | stew | enouf: "dpkg -L" only lists files installed by the package, not files created by the packages maintainer scripts |
| 20:37.28 | mha13 | beardy:afaik it is the same .. |
| 20:37.30 | LinuxHelp | enouf, I had an error from "post install" about a bad md5sum (which I corrected) so I think I do at least have some post-inst stuff |
| 20:37.32 | enouf | stew: good to know -- thanks |
| 20:37.36 | beardy | mha13: It's not. |
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| 20:38.01 | ingram | any help? |
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| 20:38.31 | somethingelse | guys, what's the reverse of this command? iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE i want to turn masquerading off on eth0 |
| 20:38.52 | stew | somethingelse: iptables -t nat -D POSTROUTING -o eth0 -j MASQUERADE |
| 20:38.52 | ras | mha13: nothing usb related is in dmesg |
| 20:39.03 | somethingelse | thanks dude |
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| 20:41.20 | ras | mha13:Jul 31 10:38:14 rayaxis kernel: [4551043.326000] usb 5-4: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 8 |
| 20:41.20 | ras | that is in /varllog/messages means anything? |
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| 20:42.56 | mha13 | ras: try loading uhci_hcd module . |
| 20:43.16 | mha13 | ras: it says that your kernel know that it is there . |
| 20:43.19 | ras | mha13: modprobe? |
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| 20:43.32 | mha13 | ras:yep |
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| 20:44.39 | stefan | hallo, when I send an packet to another IP-Adress -> Can another people this package get into his "hands"? |
| 20:44.41 | ras | mha13:what next |
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| 20:45.39 | beardy | stefan: Yes. |
| 20:45.47 | mha13 | ras:run mount to see if udev fonud the driver |
| 20:45.59 | mha13 | i ment the flash drive |
| 20:46.27 | enouf | LinuxHelp: I hadn't realized you received the md5 checksum errors from that -- perhaps it is corrupt, (or still using ) but I'm just guessing - BTW -- gotta love the comments the script writers make inside the files - here's one at the end--> "# I'm going to get in so much shit for this..." |
| 20:46.36 | ras | mha13:what exactly should i look for? |
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| 20:46.57 | stefan | beardy: how? the package will be send to the internet provider - right? |
| 20:47.08 | Guerin | stefan: that's a simple question with a complicated answer. |
| 20:47.27 | Vasistha | stefan: depends where that IP address is. If it's within your local network, probably noone outside your local network could get at it. If it goes out into the internet, all bets are off ... it may be routed through all kinds of different places, and anyone who controls one of those routing stations can look at it pretty easily |
| 20:47.37 | beardy | stefan: It will go there first yes, then to anywhere really, and finally, and hopefully, it's destination. |
| 20:47.43 | Guerin | stefan: anyone who controls any part of the network between you and the packet's ultimate destination can read it, presuming it's not encrypted |
| 20:48.02 | beardy | stefan: If it's encrypted, they can still grab it. |
| 20:48.15 | Guerin | they just can't read it until they break the encryption |
| 20:48.28 | Guerin | which tentds to take bignum years |
| 20:48.45 | mha13 | beardy:i googled and man dmesg i didn't fined any explantion for the difrence between /var/log/dmesg to dmesg could you explain me ? |
| 20:49.39 | wam | stefan: any packet sent anywhere unencrypted must be considered as recieved by anyone. There are dozens of possibilities to capture traffic. |
| 20:49.52 | stew | stefan: if you "traceroute 1.2.3.4" for the other ip address, you will see a list of machines that handle the packet on its way from your machine to theirs. those machines will see your packets |
| 20:49.54 | mha13 | ras:/dev/sd? or new mounted place |
| 20:50.24 | stew | stefan: other machines connected to those machines by layer2 hubs/switches may see the packet as well |
| 20:50.49 | ras | mha13:btw all /dev/sd* belond to my sata hard drive and i see nothing else |
| 20:51.07 | mha13 | any one here uses iwiz ? |
| 20:51.15 | Guerin | !anyone use |
| 20:51.15 | dpkg | No, no one uses it, not even the people who use it. |
| 20:51.48 | cyd0rk | mha13: /msg dpkg ask |
| 20:52.13 | mha13 | Guerin: nice of you to say that but i need to if ppl steel use this package |
| 20:52.15 | beardy | mha13: When you boot, the messages output to the screen (or console) is also output to /var/log/dmesg. If you run 'dmesg' the same kernel messages that you saw on boot, and that is in /var/log/dmesg will be shown, unless additional kernel messages has been written, 'dmesg' only has a limited message buffer, a lot of messages means you will not see your messages from boot, but they are stored in /var/log/dmesg. |
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| 20:52.35 | LinuxHelp | misha = my user... I did "adduser misha www-data" and then I chmodded my www to look like "drwxrwxr-x 3 www-data www-data 34 2006-07-31 22:41 www" but still I cant create dirs in it |
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| 20:52.40 | LinuxHelp | or files |
| 20:52.40 | DustyDingo | hi |
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| 20:53.29 | stefan | stew: can traceroute used in the local network?: traceroute: unknown host 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:53.38 | beardy | mha13: Or, /var/log/dmesg may be a dump of 'dmesg':s output, right after booting, not sure about that. |
| 20:54.09 | LinuxHelp | anyone know how I could create dirs in it.. without su.. |
| 20:54.12 | LinuxHelp | ? |
| 20:54.27 | wut | if apt-cache search/locate can't find sdl-config then does that mean i don't have sdl? |
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| 20:55.02 | DustyDingo | i have a strange problem, i installed gnunet, then deinstalled it and now i want to install it again, the problem is, that it want to run some update scripts now, wich don't work and therefore whole gnunet isn't installed right |
| 20:55.11 | beardy | wut: No, it means nothing was found in your packagelist matching sdl-config. |
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| 20:55.15 | stew | LinuxHelp: logout and back in, or type "newgrp www-data" (which will create a subshell and make all files you create be owned by the www-groupt until you exit that subshell) |
| 20:55.28 | stew | stefan: yes, it can. what exact command did you type/ |
| 20:55.46 | mha13 | beardy:thnx for the info .. |
| 20:55.47 | stefan | stew: traceroute6 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:56.02 | DustyDingo | is there a way to remove gnunet completly, so the installation process doesn't notice that there was yet a gnunet installed on this system? |
| 20:56.07 | beardy | wut: If you have installed something, run 'updatedb' first, then 'locate thefile' |
| 20:56.08 | stew | stefan: traceroute6 is for ipv6 and would require a ipv6 address not an ipv4 address |
| 20:56.10 | dos000 | anyone has pointers on fine tuning debian for high processing of udp packets ? |
| 20:56.18 | stew | stefan: you want traceroute 192.168.0.1 |
| 20:56.19 | Guerin | DustyDingo: there's no going back in time, if that's what you mean. |
| 20:56.34 | stew | dos000: what is "high processing"? |
| 20:56.37 | enouf | mha13: are you needing to view specific boot up messages ? |
| 20:56.37 | DustyDingo | Guerin: well, of course it must me possible |
| 20:56.40 | Guerin | DustyDingo:look at what's causing the scripts to fail and try to fix them |
| 20:56.42 | beardy | wut: You can also search for files in the packages. /msg dpkg search /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 20:56.46 | LinuxHelp | yeah the login did it thx |
| 20:57.01 | DustyDingo | Guerin: thats not soo easy |
| 20:57.06 | Guerin | DustyDingo: to remove all trace that the package was ever installed is both pointless and extremely difficult |
| 20:57.09 | mha13 | enouf:nope i was trieng to help roi with usb flash drive .. |
| 20:57.31 | DustyDingo | Guerin: i see no other solution for it |
| 20:57.34 | stefan | stew: oh because it's only traceroute6 available |
| 20:57.53 | Guerin | DustyDingo: make the scripts work. if you can't, at least post the error message to paster so someone else can. |
| 20:57.57 | mha13 | enouf: oops his name was ras |
| 20:58.13 | DustyDingo | because when i want to install gnunet-gtk, which depens on gnunet, i fail, because it needs a correct setted up gnunet |
| 20:58.15 | dos000 | stew, as much as possible allowed by the memory (4G). the server (openser) needs to send/receive a high load of udp packets. |
| 20:58.36 | DustyDingo | and i tried everything to achieve this,... |
| 20:58.43 | dos000 | stew, basically any fine tuning is welcome |
| 20:58.49 | Guerin | DustyDingo: no, you didn't try FIXING THE FUCKING SCRIPTS |
| 20:59.04 | stefan | stew: traceroute was not installed |
| 20:59.05 | Guerin | but if you prefer to just complain about it, fine by me. |
| 20:59.06 | dos000 | stew, like max file descriptors, sockets |
| 20:59.23 | enouf | mha13: ok - just so you know: you can enable bootlogd which will populate a /var/log/boot file by editing /etc/default/bootlogd and set this parameter -> BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=Yes |
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| 20:59.49 | odla | is there a way to fix jerky dvd playback? |
| 21:00.12 | beardy | odla: Which kernel? |
| 21:00.18 | mha13 | enouf: nice thnx .. |
| 21:00.26 | beardy | odla: Stock kernel or compiled by you? |
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| 21:00.45 | odla | beardy: stock and the current default 2.6.X kernel in etch |
| 21:01.07 | beardy | odla: Which program do you play dvd:s in? |
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| 21:01.23 | odla | beardy: usually totem or xine |
| 21:01.36 | beardy | odla: "Jerky" in both? |
| 21:01.37 | stew | dos000: you can increase buffer sizes at the expense of memory and latency in order to increase throughput (note i said INCREASED latency) by messing with buffer sizes in /proc/sys/net/core ; but you should really read up on exactly what you are doing before you touch that stuff. I would recommend that you not mess with that stuff until you determine that your machine is actually not keeping up with the traffic |
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| 21:01.50 | odla | beardy: jerky mostly in xine |
| 21:01.57 | odla | but it's jerky in totem too |
| 21:02.00 | odla | off and on |
| 21:02.03 | Guerin | totem is xine |
| 21:02.11 | beardy | odla: Which graphicscard do you have? |
| 21:02.11 | mha13 | i wish to populate my IT studies where should i post them (encryption procuders course and intredusing to math)? |
| 21:02.25 | Guerin | i mean, it uses xine as a backend (or gstreamer, but that way lies madness) |
| 21:02.27 | odla | beardy: intel 845 |
| 21:02.31 | beardy | odla: Which X video driver are you using? |
| 21:02.38 | odla | beardy: i810 |
| 21:02.47 | wam | mha13: doesn't matter. as long as many people mirror them ;) |
| 21:02.50 | Guerin | odla: which video output driver is xine using? |
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| 21:02.59 | Guerin | odla: hint: you should be using XV |
| 21:03.12 | Guerin | which is several orders of magnitude faster than anything else |
| 21:03.50 | odla | i think that might be it |
| 21:03.58 | dos000 | stew, ... i just started a performance tool. that is why i needed to get pointers on this stuff. not sure what i need to google even |
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| 21:04.14 | Guerin | XV writes video output straight to the gpu, instead of the x server or whatever else |
| 21:04.21 | dos000 | stew, the performace tool is reaching the limit of the system brw |
| 21:04.31 | mha13 | wam: :) |
| 21:04.40 | beardy | odla: I had "jerky" dvdplayback once, and it took me a while to figure it out. I hadn't my IDE support compiled in my kernel, that's why I asked about the kernel. |
| 21:04.51 | stefan | thanks stew, beardy, wam, Vasistha, Guerin and all another |
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| 21:05.03 | odla | thanks beardy and guerin |
| 21:05.14 | mha13 | ros: dood im sorry but i can't find an answer on google . |
| 21:05.15 | Guerin | hm, ide support compiled as a module should be fine |
| 21:05.32 | beardy | Guerin: Probably, but I had none :) |
| 21:05.45 | Guerin | oh, you were using the generic |
| 21:05.50 | Guerin | that could be a pain |
| 21:05.50 | stew | there was a recent bug in initramfs-tools that would cause ide-generic to be loaded before the chipset specify ide driver that would prevent you from being able to use DMA |
| 21:05.52 | beardy | Yeah. |
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| 21:05.58 | stew | ^specify^specific |
| 21:06.07 | beardy | Since then I always make sure I atleast have that ;) |
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| 21:06.31 | beardy | (allthough it was some years ago now..) |
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| 21:06.57 | stefan | goodbye |
| 21:07.19 | Behzat | hello everybody, i lost my root password, how do chance it ? |
| 21:07.24 | mha13 | good night ppl (at least here ) . have to go to sleep .. |
| 21:07.38 | beardy | !i forgot root's password |
| 21:07.39 | dpkg | 1) 'linux init=/bin/sh' at a lilo boot prompt (hold Shift while booting to make one appear), 2) 'fsck' your root file system, 3) 'mount -o remount,rw /', 4) 'passwd root' 5) 'mount -o remount,ro /' 6) reboot -d -f (exec /sbin/init should work); For GRUB (e.g. sarge): in step 1, press 'e' to edit the kernel setting (add init=/bin/sh to the end of it), 'b' to boot. Steps 2-6 are the same. |
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| 21:07.53 | beardy | Behzat: ^^^ |
| 21:08.00 | tylerdurden | i just installed debian onto a thinkpad of mine and im trying to get wireless working and i have no ethernet or means to accesss the internet... i need to get madwifi working but i am unfamiliar with the package manager of debian,., can someone point me in the right diretion? |
| 21:08.06 | Behzat | thanks beardy |
| 21:08.15 | beardy | Behzat: You're welcome. |
| 21:08.33 | mha13 | Behzat:or log in with live chroot and then passwd root |
| 21:08.52 | Guerin | tylerdurden: no ethernet? |
| 21:09.06 | beardy | Works nicely too. |
| 21:09.06 | tylerdurden | correct |
| 21:09.16 | Guerin | no modem, i suppose. |
| 21:09.20 | tylerdurden | but i csn download files on another computer and burn them and then copy them |
| 21:09.25 | tylerdurden | correct Guerin |
| 21:09.44 | Guerin | yeah, that's really pretty tricky, because you have recursive dependencies to deal with |
| 21:09.56 | Guerin | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:10.07 | enouf | odla: make sure your optical drive and HDDs are using DMA - 'sudo hdparm /dev/hdX' where X is your optical drive -- also use this to test HDD speed/cache 'sudo hdparm -Tt /dev/hdX' |
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| 21:10.26 | tylerdurden | if i can get madwifi working |
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| 21:10.31 | tylerdurden | then ill have ethernet |
| 21:10.34 | tylerdurden | well.. wireless |
| 21:11.10 | danf_1979 | APF Firewall doesn't work on debian? |
| 21:12.06 | beardy | danf_1979: What is it? Use something that is in Debian instead. |
| 21:12.17 | tylerdurden | where/how can i download the madwifi package for debian? are there precompiled binaries like with other distros? |
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| 21:12.51 | beardy | tylerdurden: /msg dpkg madwifi |
| 21:13.41 | tylerdurden | thanks beardy |
| 21:13.41 | LinuxHelp | how do I clear my dns cache? |
| 21:14.41 | Vladi | hi, is there a way to force a scsi controller to re-detect all the drives? |
| 21:14.46 | LinuxHelp | like you know if a web site changes it's ip, and you still use the old ip |
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| 21:15.48 | stew | LinuxHelp: do you get the new ip address when you run "host domainname" on the command line? |
| 21:15.53 | danf_1979 | beardy, like what? |
| 21:16.05 | Razva | how can I send a message to a person on the same box? because he just sent me :D |
| 21:16.06 | danf_1979 | do you recommend something |
| 21:16.10 | danf_1979 | ? |
| 21:16.12 | Razva | like Message from istvan@s2.dvis.info on pts/1 at 21:14 ... |
| 21:16.33 | beardy | danf_1979: Is "APF Firewall" something that generates iptables rules? |
| 21:16.43 | stew | Razva: echo "message" | write istvan |
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| 21:16.49 | danf_1979 | Yes it is |
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| 21:17.12 | beardy | danf_1979: I just have to remember it's name.. hold on.. :) |
| 21:17.22 | danf_1979 | Ok, thanks =) |
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| 21:17.35 | beardy | danf_1979: firehol |
| 21:17.40 | beardy | !firehol |
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| 21:18.13 | danf_1979 | Ok, found it. I'll search more info on it |
| 21:18.15 | danf_1979 | thanks beardy |
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| 21:18.44 | beardy | danf_1979: No problem. There are others too, a lot.. apt-cache search firewall, and you'll get a list. |
| 21:20.34 | LinuxHelp | stew, nope, still the old one |
| 21:20.53 | stew | LinuxHelp: then you need to restart your nameserver |
| 21:21.07 | LinuxHelp | stew, k |
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| 21:21.17 | stew | LinuxHelp: and once "host" is returning the right ip, you'll need to restart firefox (if you haven't already) |
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| 21:22.20 | solars | is there a way to reinstall a missing update-rc.d ? |
| 21:22.48 | streuner | sure, reinstall the package again |
| 21:22.48 | Guerin | solars: reinstall the package its contained in |
| 21:22.53 | Guerin | pwnt |
| 21:22.55 | stew | solars: you mean /usr/sbin/update-rc.d is missing? |
| 21:22.56 | streuner | !find update-rc.d |
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| 21:23.06 | stew | solars: or are you talking about a /etc/init.d/foo |
| 21:23.06 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'update-rc.d' (4): (/usr/share/sysvinit/update-rc.d) in admin/sysvinit ;; (/usr/sbin/update-rc.d) in admin/file-rc,admin/sysv-rc ;; (/usr/share/zsh/4.3.2/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh ;; (/usr/share/zsh-beta/4.3.2-dev-1/functions/Completion/Debian/_update-rc.d) in shells/zsh-beta. |
| 21:23.07 | solars | stew, yeah |
| 21:23.59 | solars | stew, no, about update-rc.d :) |
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| 21:23.59 | solars | the sysv-rc package |
| 21:24.00 | Razva | is there any way I can limit an user to just a close list of commands? |
| 21:24.00 | beardy | A bit strange if it's missing.. |
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| 21:24.00 | solars | and I cannot reinstall it because it needs update-rc.d |
| 21:24.00 | solars | :) |
| 21:24.00 | streuner | How come? |
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| 21:24.09 | solars | I dunno, just trying to fix that system here |
| 21:24.59 | beardy | solars: What has happened to it? |
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| 21:25.15 | stew | solars: reinstalling sysv-rc shouldn't need update-rc.d |
| 21:25.19 | solars | beardy, dunno, its an old router that hasn't been used since ages |
| 21:25.31 | Guerin | Razva: why would you bother? |
| 21:25.36 | solars | stew, at least that's what dpkg tells me |
| 21:25.41 | beardy | solars: WHich version of Debian? |
| 21:25.48 | solars | I'll try to copy over that file |
| 21:25.50 | Guerin | Razva: if they're not root, they shouldn't be able to hurt anyone other than themselves anyway |
| 21:25.57 | beardy | solars: wait a bit |
| 21:26.02 | solars | beardy, unstable, but a bit out of date I guess |
| 21:26.07 | stew | solars: you could unpack the deb into a temp directory and copy the file by hand |
| 21:26.18 | beardy | solars: WHy are you running unstable on a router? |
| 21:26.23 | solars | stew, thats what I wanted to do right now |
| 21:26.40 | Guerin | beardy: so it goes faster, duh |
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| 21:26.47 | beardy | solars: But yes, probably a bit outdated if it hasn't been touched in literal ages, you got some work to do. |
| 21:27.09 | solars | beardy, dunno |
| 21:27.13 | beardy | Guerin: And all the latestest softwares. |
| 21:27.18 | Guerin | yeah! |
| 21:27.34 | Guerin | the latestest firewalls and shitzzle |
| 21:27.38 | beardy | solars: Do you have any data on it? |
| 21:27.50 | solars | how do you define data? :) |
| 21:27.59 | beardy | solars: I'd recommend you reinstall, sarge, on it, if you are going to use it as a router. |
| 21:27.59 | Guerin | shit you can't afford to lose |
| 21:28.05 | beardy | Exactly. |
| 21:28.15 | solars | no data |
| 21:28.18 | Guerin | should be able to get a sarge router up and running in an hour or so |
| 21:28.20 | solars | its not going to be used as a router |
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| 21:28.31 | solars | well |
| 21:28.43 | solars | thats a microsoft habig |
| 21:28.45 | solars | habit |
| 21:28.50 | solars | "go reinstall it" lol |
| 21:29.05 | Qiang | hi, is there a way to add flag while apt-get some packages ? such as compiled in the mod_rewrite plugin to the apache i am going to install through apt-get ? |
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| 21:29.13 | beardy | solars: You're missing our point if you think that. |
| 21:29.26 | solars | that might be |
| 21:29.33 | stew | Qiang: no, but apache comes with mod_rewrite already |
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| 21:30.15 | Qiang | stew: oh, that's a bad example that i used.. |
| 21:30.36 | r121 | how do you remove a kernel module and prevent it from loading in the future? |
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| 21:30.43 | beardy | !blaskclist |
| 21:30.47 | beardy | !blacklist |
| 21:30.47 | dpkg | [blacklist] Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 21:30.54 | beardy | r121: ^^^ |
| 21:30.58 | stew | Qiang: /msg dpkg debian/rules ; /msg dpkg source |
| 21:31.14 | r121 | beardy: thanks |
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| 21:31.36 | beardy | solars: What are you going to use the machine for? |
| 21:31.50 | solars | to repair some screwed harddisks |
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| 21:32.26 | beardy | solars: "repair" as in try to fix broken fileystems? |
| 21:32.28 | Qiang | thanks stew. by the way, is there a command that can tell me what compile flags was used by a debian package ? |
| 21:32.36 | solars | beardy, jep |
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| 21:33.02 | stew | Qiang: no, other than "apt-get source" then looking at the debian/rules file yourself |
| 21:33.15 | beardy | solars: Wouldn't you want a machine like that to be reliable? |
| 21:33.22 | Qiang | stew: i see. will do that. thank you again. |
| 21:33.23 | solars | no need to |
| 21:33.44 | solars | as it does not depend on something like that |
| 21:33.57 | beardy | solars: (I still don't understand why your update-rc.d has been deleted) |
| 21:34.01 | solars | copying over update-rc.d solved it btw |
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| 21:34.13 | beardy | !debian-mantra |
| 21:34.24 | solars | beardy, me neither.. but I'm trying to fix it, not doing any weird sherlock games |
| 21:34.59 | beardy | !debian mantra |
| 21:34.59 | dpkg | debian mantra is probably "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" or "aptitude update && aptitude upgrade" |
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| 21:35.21 | beardy | solars: You'd want to update it atleast. (and hope unstable has a good day) |
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| 21:35.41 | solars | well, unstable isn't that extremely unstable :) |
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| 21:35.59 | kronoz | when is etch d-i 3 due? |
| 21:36.18 | kronoz | *beta 3 |
| 21:36.25 | beardy | solars: famous last words |
| 21:36.33 | solars | haha :) |
| 21:36.41 | stew | kronoz: check lists.debian.org/debian-boot |
| 21:36.42 | solars | .. at least if you know what youre doing :) |
| 21:36.58 | beardy | solars: but sure, it will probably be ok, unless you are running X and so on, or other problemareas |
| 21:37.03 | kronoz | stew: isn't it posted up anywhere? |
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| 21:37.12 | solars | beardy, yeah |
| 21:37.12 | foo | How can I tell debian to spit out the GMT time. |
| 21:37.28 | beardy | foo: man date |
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| 21:37.37 | stew | kronoz: i don't know, but if its anywhere, its guaranteed to be in the d-i mailinglist |
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| 21:38.41 | beardy | foo: date -u perhaps (the freebsd date atleast..) |
| 21:38.43 | r121 | is it known what the name for the next Testing will be? |
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| 21:40.16 | beardy | foo: also 'TZ=UTC date' |
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| 21:40.41 | streuner | r121: not yet, AFAIK |
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| 21:41.11 | foo | beardy: that's UTC, hm |
| 21:41.14 | foo | UTC = GMT ? |
| 21:41.20 | beardy | foo: or well, 'TZ=GMT date' to answer your question more literally |
| 21:41.24 | beardy | foo: Yeah. |
| 21:41.31 | foo | ah, I see. |
| 21:42.06 | shawnr_ | I need some help with dma error, anyone?: http://pastebin.ca/109126 |
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| 21:42.30 | melo | hi |
| 21:42.46 | stew | shawnr_: either you drive or your cable has gone bad and needs to be replaced |
| 21:43.07 | shawnr_ | hm. paossibly cable though? |
| 21:43.12 | shawnr_ | that would be better lol |
| 21:43.12 | stew | possibly |
| 21:43.16 | shawnr_ | ;) |
| 21:43.46 | shawnr_ | stew, i wasn't sure what it ment, some people told me to turn dma off with hdparam but it didn't seem to work |
| 21:44.16 | stew | shawnr_: some people were probably randomly guessing |
| 21:44.28 | shawnr_ | stew, everything still works right though. just everyonce in a while it stops, i get that error, then continues. that normal? |
| 21:44.44 | stew | shawnr_: its normal for hard drives that are failing |
| 21:44.51 | shawnr_ | ah crap me |
| 21:45.13 | shawnr_ | so more chance its the hd than the cables |
| 21:45.30 | beardy | shawnr_: Yes, backup _now_. |
| 21:45.37 | shawnr_ | its old box, |
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| 21:45.46 | shawnr_ | not my normal comp |
| 21:45.57 | shawnr_ | nothing really on it but debian & blackbox |
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| 21:46.09 | shawnr_ | i will change the cables, its a long shot |
| 21:46.47 | shawnr_ | stew, one last question... for a really old p233 with 32 megs of ram. which would be better... 2.4 or 2.6 kernel? |
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| 21:47.09 | beardy | That's not really old though. |
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| 21:47.31 | Vasistha | shawnr_: 32 MB? Dunno if you'll be able to use debian on that, I think the minimum recommended is 64 ... you might be able to get away with it, though |
| 21:47.32 | shawnr_ | beardy, no? |
| 21:47.46 | shawnr_ | Vasistha, you underestimate linux |
| 21:47.47 | abrotman | shawnr_: i will tell you that i have a 486 with 36MB .. and a 2.6 runs pretty slowly |
| 21:47.55 | abrotman | Vasistha: he can |
| 21:48.01 | beardy | Vasistha: 24 is the minumum for sarge to install withouth trickery, IIRC. |
| 21:48.02 | Vasistha | alrightythen! |
| 21:48.11 | abrotman | shawnr_: granted it's a 486 .. but i think RAM is the limiting spec there |
| 21:48.27 | shawnr_ | abrotman, agree. |
| 21:48.32 | beardy | I will tell you that I have a 486 with 8MB and 2.4 runs pretty ok. |
| 21:48.38 | shawnr_ | its still fun tinkering around with it |
| 21:48.58 | shawnr_ | ok wait, so... p233 would be 486? |
| 21:49.02 | abrotman | shawnr_: chances are that the board will support 48MB or 64MB .. so if you can find some PC66 SDRAM .. put it in |
| 21:49.12 | beardy | shawnr_: No :) |
| 21:49.27 | shawnr_ | someone just said that lol |
| 21:49.39 | abrotman | shawnr_: a p233 is a PII 233 .. a 486 is .. like 486 then PI then PII |
| 21:49.43 | abrotman | just damn slow :) |
| 21:49.58 | abrotman | shawnr_: think .. 1994 :) |
| 21:50.03 | abrotman | oh god i'm old |
| 21:50.08 | shawnr_ | yea sounds about right lol |
| 21:50.09 | shawnr_ | haha |
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| 21:50.11 | shawnr_ | nah |
| 21:50.13 | beardy | Depends on what you are going to do with it. |
| 21:50.21 | abrotman | sex? |
| 21:50.24 | shawnr_ | i just enjoy trying to bring these old comps back to life |
| 21:50.48 | Jenkens | secks? |
| 21:50.55 | beardy | abrotman: Depends on what you prefer, I guess.. |
| 21:50.56 | abrotman | !info sex oldstable |
| 21:51.02 | dpkg | sex: (Simple editor for X), section editors, is optional. Version: 0.19.1-2 (woody), Packaged size: 64 kB, Installed size: 264 kB |
| 21:51.07 | shawnr_ | any tips, settings packages besides more ram to give me more performance? |
| 21:51.08 | killown | whats the best edit text? |
| 21:51.12 | beardy | oh, haha |
| 21:51.20 | beardy | killown: Your favourite editor. |
| 21:51.24 | abrotman | shawnr_: more RAM |
| 21:51.27 | stoned | I pity the fool who has to type "man sex" |
| 21:51.32 | shawnr_ | besides that lol ;) |
| 21:51.38 | abrotman | shawnr_: a REAL NIC might help you with some items |
| 21:51.54 | shawnr_ | real nic? |
| 21:51.56 | Jenkens | still no testing fix on debian/sparc repos. dang |
| 21:52.14 | beardy | shawnr_: A good networking card. |
| 21:52.38 | shawnr_ | i don't have ethernet on that puppy, i got my usb internet working ;) |
| 21:52.42 | abrotman | Jenkens: did you contact anyone via email ? |
| 21:52.56 | beardy | stoned: install manpages-funny, or what the package is called |
| 21:53.04 | bytelock | Jenkens :P |
| 21:53.05 | Jenkens | abrotman: no, didnt know whom to contact. |
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| 21:53.14 | milk-it | People! Somebody can help-me? I can't install KDE from the official repository! but my arch is amd64 |
| 21:53.15 | abrotman | Jenkens: katie goes around .. 4 or 5pm |
| 21:53.16 | abrotman | !katie |
| 21:53.17 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, katie is who I seek to emulate, or the daemon in the Debian archive system that processes new packages and inserts them into the archive. It runs at 1952 UTC daily. the women.kde.org mascot, or 166.82.1.7 |
| 21:53.25 | shawnr_ | i tried to get that usb modem working for weeks, everyone said im nuts and it would never happen. to just buy a new nic |
| 21:53.34 | abrotman | Jenkens: so if it's broken at 9pm your time .. it will likely be broken until the next day |
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| 21:53.40 | milk-it | neither from the previous amd64 official repository |
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| 21:53.44 | Jenkens | abrotman: alright, but this has been since 4P CST friday |
| 21:53.47 | abrotman | Jenkens: i told oyu to email debian-mirrors@lists.debian.org |
| 21:53.49 | Slapp | can i get some help from someone |
| 21:53.55 | abrotman | !slap slapp |
| 21:54.01 | abrotman | sorry .. couldn't resist |
| 21:54.01 | shawnr_ | if someone would have told me then all i had to type was... "dhclient eth0" and it would work. could have saved me some energy |
| 21:54.03 | abrotman | Slapp: just ask |
| 21:54.08 | Jenkens | abrotman: yes but that's just going to pass the email around some usegroup |
| 21:54.09 | Slapp | i get an error at os-prober on install |
| 21:54.14 | milk-it | People! Somebody can help-me? I can't install KDE from the official repository! but my arch is amd64 |
| 21:54.15 | milk-it | neither from the previous amd64 official repository |
| 21:54.29 | abrotman | milk-it: using which version of debian ? |
| 21:54.29 | stoned | !repeat |
| 21:54.29 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 21:54.39 | abrotman | Jenkens: no .. it's a mailing list |
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| 21:54.45 | Jenkens | ssdd |
| 21:54.46 | milk-it | abrotman, testing/unstable |
| 21:54.51 | abrotman | !install kde |
| 21:54.51 | dpkg | methinks install kde is In sarge, the metapackage 'kde' installs tons of stuff, 'kde-core' slightly less, and 'kdebase' even less. |
| 21:54.53 | abrotman | start smaller |
| 21:55.04 | Slapp | umm |
| 21:55.21 | abrotman | Jenkens: look damn it .. i'm telling you a good place to start looking for help .. you can't whine every day for a week and not try to contact the correct people |
| 21:55.26 | Slapp | 31r2-i386 |
| 21:55.31 | abrotman | well .. you can .. but it's childish |
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| 21:55.44 | Slapp | thats what the iso says |
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| 21:56.54 | Jenkens | abrotman: I'm not whining, just wondering why I seem to be the only one noticing it. |
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| 21:57.04 | milk-it | abrotman, thankyou :D I won't make this stupd mistake again :D |
| 21:57.16 | Jenkens | i just shot off an email to debian-mirrors@bleh |
| 21:57.18 | Jenkens | we shall see |
| 21:57.32 | enouf | shawnr_ : sup there? Having HDD woes? BTW folks, he has a P5 (as in 586) pentium 233 MMX - it's not a P6(686) -- but if anyone cares; read the manual of the mobo - you'll see it can handle 256K of either DIMMs -or- SIMMs, yes it takes either... and whomever's telling you to disable DMA are dead wrong. |
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| 21:58.10 | bytelock | Jenkens your a whiner, thats all there is to it. He called you out. |
| 21:58.26 | bouncing | Can I tell apt-get/dpkg to fix packages with missing files? |
| 21:58.29 | Jenkens | abrotman: checking out the debian-mirrors list on debian.org it seems all the traffic that list has seen is spam |
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| 21:58.48 | bouncing | I'm missing some of /usr/lib/python2.4/site-packages. |
| 21:58.55 | nikin | hy |
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| 21:59.06 | nikin | can someone help me with printing |
| 21:59.07 | nikin | M |
| 21:59.08 | nikin | ? |
| 21:59.37 | beardy | enouf: P5? 256K? "the mobo" you don't think there are more than one? You _know_ that his takes both SIMMS and DIMMS without having it in front of you? |
| 21:59.39 | nikin | i setupped my printer Canon LBP 2900, it gets to the spool, but then it gets ""job stopped" |
| 21:59.49 | enouf | shawnr: s/256K/256MB |
| 22:00.01 | enouf | beardy: I recall from yesterday |
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| 22:00.04 | abrotman | Jenkens: no freaking kidding .. but real people read it |
| 22:00.21 | abrotman | bouncing: yes |
| 22:00.30 | Jenkens | abrotman: we shall see |
| 22:00.48 | abrotman | Jenkens: or you can try the debian-project list .. |
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| 22:01.20 | Jenkens | or hell, debian-sparc while i'm at it ;) |
| 22:01.20 | bytelock | Jenkens hold on, i saw this in a movie once.. Let me get my fax machine and i pod |
| 22:01.31 | Jenkens | PC LOAD LETTER!? |
| 22:01.33 | beardy | enouf: There are no such thing as P5 or P6. (allthough, if it were, perhaps it would be more logical yes) |
| 22:01.34 | Jenkens | WTF DOES THAT MEAN |
| 22:02.02 | enouf | beardy : huh? |
| 22:02.07 | bytelock | ahah |
| 22:02.15 | abrotman | Jenkens: i have to meet a friend for dinner tonight .. but some of the ftp-masters hang out on irc ... |
| 22:02.31 | Jenkens | abrotman: are they dungeon masters too? |
| 22:02.32 | abrotman | Jenkens: and they may know what's going on |
| 22:02.39 | abrotman | Jenkens: some may be .. but not that i'm aware |
| 22:02.42 | Jenkens | haha |
| 22:02.48 | Jenkens | while i've got someone's attention.. |
| 22:03.02 | bytelock | +4 mace of slaying! |
| 22:03.07 | Jenkens | it seems screen likes ^H for backspace, rather than ^?. henceforth my backspace doesn't work in a screen session |
| 22:03.21 | Jenkens | this seems to be a relatively common question on usenet.. with no solidified answer. |
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| 22:03.45 | bytelock | search /dev/null for your answers young skywalker. |
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| 22:03.57 | Jenkens | ./darthvadernoooooo! |
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| 22:05.04 | enouf | beardy : oh...yeah ...hehehe you have a point, if calling the p4 a PIV is wrong, whereas a PII would be non-roman at that pointy-head |
| 22:05.21 | enouf | and just a p2 |
| 22:07.01 | beardy | enouf: pointy-head? |
| 22:07.16 | Slapp | what is os-prober pm plz |
| 22:07.25 | Guerin | !pm |
| 22:07.26 | dpkg | it has been said that pm is private message, or post meridiem, or prime minister, or perl mongers, or pathetic moron: when you see someone say pm, they're asking if you think that they're a pathetic moron, or something you don't do without asking permission, or provocative {preventative} maintenance |
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| 22:07.32 | Jenkens | vader noooooo! |
| 22:07.46 | Guerin | pm is also percussive maintenance |
| 22:07.52 | Guerin | !pm is also percussive maintenance |
| 22:07.52 | dpkg | okay, Guerin |
| 22:08.15 | azeem | Slapp: it's a part of debian-installer AFAIK |
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| 22:08.41 | Slapp | well i get an error when trying to install on that |
| 22:08.53 | Slapp | at 65% |
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| 22:09.58 | azeem | Slapp: probably a bad burn |
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| 22:10.13 | tylerdurden | i downloaded dpkg-dev and all its dependencies... how do i go about installing it? |
| 22:10.21 | TibaL | hi |
| 22:10.30 | lunitik | Slapp: you didn't get any output on other terminals? (alt+f1-7 usually...) |
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| 22:10.45 | Slapp | should i try to reburn the installer to see if its a bad burn? |
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| 22:10.57 | lunitik | well... minus f1, cuz thats where the installer lives |
| 22:11.16 | Slapp | ok |
| 22:11.30 | Guerin | alt-f3 is usually an output temrinal which shows the processes and errors as they happen |
| 22:11.35 | Guerin | i think. |
| 22:11.36 | lunitik | tylerdurden: why didn't you just 'apt-get install dpkg-dev'? |
| 22:11.40 | Guerin | it's one of them anyway |
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| 22:12.12 | tylerdurden | lunitik, becuase i have no internet |
| 22:12.17 | Butterfloy | hi guys |
| 22:12.18 | tylerdurden | and im trying to get my wireless working |
| 22:12.19 | TibaL | how can i create a virtual network interface in the debian style ? I do not mean adding another IP to an harware NIC (eth0:0 eth0:1...) but really an interface like lo |
| 22:12.29 | lunitik | Guerin: 2 is for input, 3 for output... but I think there is another further up that is sometimes enlightening... I forget where though |
| 22:12.29 | Butterfloy | I'd just like to try something |
| 22:12.38 | Butterfloy | sorry for bothering you |
| 22:12.39 | lunitik | tylerdurden: oh... meh... dpkg -i |
| 22:13.01 | Butterfloy | I lost my blootbot reply for "windows" |
| 22:13.10 | Butterfloy | ravenbird: windows |
| 22:13.10 | ice_1963 | Guerin: how hard is it to setup shorwall on debian? |
| 22:13.11 | ravenbird | Butterfloy: parse error: dunno what the heck you're talking about |
| 22:13.15 | azeem | Butterfloy: /msg the bots |
| 22:13.44 | Butterfloy | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:14.31 | lunitik | Butterfloy: #debian-bots tells about getting the databases.... (you've probably already been there though?) |
| 22:14.37 | tdn | Is there an admin tool for Debian that lets me as a sysadmin write a message to all users currently logged on? I know wall can do this, but I also want to notify X users. Is there a tool for this? |
| 22:14.50 | Butterfloy | no |
| 22:14.56 | Butterfloy | havent tried yet |
| 22:14.57 | Butterfloy | thx |
| 22:15.21 | lunitik | tdn: there are things like kdialog and zenity or whatever that lets you throw up messages to users |
| 22:17.17 | lunitik | tdn: that the kinda thing you're looking for? |
| 22:17.20 | magyar | does kde and firefox on sid have issues? |
| 22:17.32 | lunitik | magyar: I'm not seeing any... |
| 22:17.39 | tdn | lunitik, I have looked a bit on zenity. But I can't find information on how to post messages to other users than myself with it. Where to look? |
| 22:17.41 | lunitik | magyar: highly likely though |
| 22:18.08 | tdn | lunitik, maybe. If it can write messages to other users. |
| 22:18.16 | magyar | lunitik: i had some updates done, now all the gtl apps when opened show giberish |
| 22:18.30 | magyar | s/gtl/gtk |
| 22:20.02 | lunitik | tdn: I'm sure you can... else it wouldn't make much sense to have the tool at all... I'm not sure how exactly though... |
| 22:21.09 | lunitik | magyar: mine appears fine using gtk2-engines-gtk-qt |
| 22:21.53 | tdn | lunitik, hmm... I can think of several uses of zenity if not to write to other users. You can use it to show dialogs to the "you" user. Like when you use `dialog' from shellscripts. With zenity you can show graphical dialogs from shellscripts. |
| 22:22.06 | magyar | lunitik: thanks, i'll use konqueror for now. |
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| 22:23.10 | magyar | lunitik: i have "libgtk2.0-bin" broken |
| 22:23.40 | lunitik | magyar: I'm using all current packages... and no giberish... only gtk based app installed is firefox |
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| 22:23.49 | shawnr_ | enouf, what about if i disabled 32bit IDE data transfers on that old hd. would that help at all? |
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| 22:25.19 | magyar | lunitik: my source is "ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ " |
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| 22:25.41 | lunitik | magyar: that server is having issues at the moment |
| 22:25.55 | stew | shawnr_: probably not |
| 22:25.57 | magyar | lunitik: one small thing i forgot to mention (amd64) |
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| 22:26.19 | lunitik | magyar: ahh... i386 here... |
| 22:26.55 | atun | hi, is there a howto to make qemu network using tun tap work on debian that actually works? tried at least 10 different ones, even with different kernels and not a single one worked |
| 22:27.16 | shawnr_ | stew, im pulln at straws here ;( |
| 22:27.17 | Butterfloy | lunitik: i'm sorry I cant find the reply for "windows" |
| 22:27.29 | DediZone_ | what is qemu ? |
| 22:27.36 | lunitik | !qemu |
| 22:27.37 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, qemu is a fast PC emulator that can be found at http://fabrice.bellard.free.fr/qemu/ |
| 22:27.51 | Butterfloy | lunitik: could you find it for me please? |
| 22:27.58 | stew | shawnr_: you should get whatever data you can off that drive |
| 22:28.04 | lunitik | Butterfloy: no |
| 22:28.18 | shawnr_ | stew, like i said before its just an old junker, nothing important |
| 22:28.55 | shawnr_ | stew, not a huge deal... anyway i just switched ide cables. i doubt it but gonna see if it happens again |
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| 22:29.35 | atun | the best result i managed to get atm with tun is sending only, if try to send data outside from qemu, the packet and bytes count in tap0 increase, but it doesnt receive anyting, 0 packets |
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| 22:30.09 | atun | ssh to the tap0 ip is the same as the eth0 one of that machine |
| 22:30.23 | shawnr_ | !dma |
| 22:30.24 | dpkg | well, dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn on dma, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda. to make it permanent, edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 22:30.50 | atun | also already tried the way in the page before mentioned, and a few found googling, without success |
| 22:31.52 | Guerin | FUCKINGHELL |
| 22:31.59 | Guerin | fucking adobe crashed firefox |
| 22:32.10 | Guerin | goddamn this windows machine |
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| 22:32.28 | lunitik | Guerin: haha... have fun with that |
| 22:33.17 | Guerin | yeah |
| 22:33.31 | shawnr_ | stew, "ide: late registration of driver." that mean anything? |
| 22:33.46 | Guerin | when I get a keyboard and a length of cat5, I'll be able to install obsd on my 486, then change this beast over to a prper os |
| 22:34.08 | stew | shawnr_: i don't know |
| 22:34.14 | shawnr_ | hm k |
| 22:34.27 | shawnr_ | i'll google it i guess |
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| 22:39.54 | g333k | how can I install mplayer in etch? |
| 22:40.06 | Guerin | g333k: /msg dpkg mplayer |
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| 22:42.36 | Luke-Jr | How can I disable IPv6 without kernel access? |
| 22:42.41 | stew | Luke-Jr: you can't |
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| 22:42.53 | dorito | hello |
| 22:43.16 | dorito | i'm using ubuntu and i don't know where to download the kernel headers |
| 22:43.16 | dorito | would you help? |
| 22:43.28 | stew | dorito: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 22:43.31 | Ronin | dorito: #ubuntu certainly can |
| 22:43.48 | dorito | ha ok ! ;) |
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| 22:45.35 | streuner | "would you help?" ... |
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| 22:45.59 | atun | finally a solution that works a bit more, but still doesnt work accessing the outer network, only works to ping the host and guest :( |
| 22:46.07 | streuner | dorito: just install debian and we could prolly help. |
| 22:46.11 | shawnr_ | (EE) xf86)OpenSeroa;: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice : No such device |
| 22:46.22 | shawnr_ | (EE) xf86)OpenSerial: Cannot open device /dev/input/mice : No such device |
| 22:46.23 | streuner | modprobe mousedev |
| 22:46.28 | stew | shawnr_: modprobe mousedev ; and put mousedev into /etc/modules |
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| 22:46.33 | shawnr_ | it worked before reboot |
| 22:46.36 | shawnr_ | hm |
| 22:46.39 | shawnr_ | lemme try |
| 22:46.46 | stew | be my guest |
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| 22:47.38 | shawnr_ | yup, that did it |
| 22:47.48 | atun | 1000 ways to have qemu network not work :( |
| 22:47.53 | shawnr_ | gee you guys are the best lol |
| 22:48.02 | shawnr_ | thanks |
| 22:48.11 | shawnr_ | wait no |
| 22:48.15 | shawnr_ | didn't work |
| 22:48.37 | streuner | asking for help and using windows |
| 22:48.37 | shawnr_ | stew, it allowed me to get past startx, but the mouse isn't working |
| 22:48.45 | stew | shawnr_: what kind of mouse? |
| 22:48.49 | shawnr_ | the optical light is on |
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| 22:48.54 | stew | shawnr_: like, how is it attached? |
| 22:48.59 | shawnr_ | ps/2 |
| 22:49.07 | kernal | hi everybody.... I'm looking for some advice or references... I accidently made a chown www-data:www-data to my entire server (debian sarge)... I'm looking for some avice before starting to change owners again... |
| 22:49.13 | stew | shawnr_: modprobe psmouse ; add that to /etc/modules too |
| 22:49.14 | streuner | choose ImPS/2 as protocol |
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| 22:49.44 | streuner | !drxx shawnr_ |
| 22:49.45 | dpkg | shawnr_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 22:49.49 | stew | no |
| 22:49.56 | stew | he doesn't need to reconfigurex |
| 22:50.07 | bluefox83 | ok..so does anyone here know what all is needed to install flash completely for firefox? |
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| 22:50.24 | stoned | bluefox83, can't make flash 8 work in linux natively |
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| 22:50.43 | bluefox83 | why the fashizle not? |
| 22:50.43 | stoned | bluefox83, for flash 7 there are lots of packages, /msg dpkg search |
| 22:50.45 | streuner | stew: he prolly have a mousewheel too ;-) |
| 22:50.54 | shawnr_ | "can't locate device psmouse" |
| 22:51.05 | stoned | bluefox83, because the flash people didn't bother to make a flash 8 player for linux |
| 22:51.07 | shawnr_ | like i said it worked this morning |
| 22:51.11 | stew | shawnr_: what does 'uname -r' say? |
| 22:51.15 | shawnr_ | didn't edit xfreeconfig |
| 22:51.17 | bluefox83 | stoned, those bastards! |
| 22:51.32 | shawnr_ | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 22:51.55 | shawnr_ | i installed 2.6 kernel this morning then shut down |
| 22:51.58 | stoned | bluefox83, install wine, get firefox installer .exe and flash installer exe from somewhere, wine those, and then wine firefox and you'll have flash 8 working just as good |
| 22:51.59 | shawnr_ | that the problem? |
| 22:52.07 | stew | shawnr_: which 2.6 kernel? |
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| 22:52.08 | shawnr_ | i booted up in 2.4 though |
| 22:52.16 | shawnr_ | ummm |
| 22:52.16 | ice_1963 | so f flash |
| 22:52.20 | shawnr_ | one sec |
| 22:53.18 | shawnr_ | stew, 2.6.8-3-386 |
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| 22:54.05 | shawnr_ | heh |
| 22:54.12 | shawnr_ | should i boot up with 2.6 and see? |
| 22:54.17 | shawnr_ | lemme try |
| 22:54.38 | kernal | I'll have a lot to chown, I'm looking for some advice please!!! I'm obviously a newbee, dindn't find much searching google. Just this guy that did something similar: http://www.linuxforums.org/forum/debian-linux-help/34729-i-just-did-chown-r-root-root-help.html |
| 22:55.30 | shawnr_ | boot up proccess saw my logitech mouse |
| 22:55.52 | shawnr_ | didn't see if the 2.4 kernel did |
| 22:56.05 | shawnr_ | wow |
| 22:56.09 | shawnr_ | i can't win |
| 22:56.17 | shawnr_ | "fatal error inserting rtc..." |
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| 22:56.23 | shawnr_ | lol |
| 22:57.11 | shawnr_ | stew, 2.6 kernel worked |
| 22:57.14 | shawnr_ | that was it |
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| 22:57.30 | streuner | !win stew |
| 22:57.31 | dpkg | Congratulations, stew! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 22:57.39 | shawnr_ | lol |
| 22:57.39 | odla | if i want to build a package from a tarball should i run checkinstall instead of make install to create and install a deb? |
| 22:58.15 | bluefox83 | ok, how do i get the flashplugins in apt working correctly? i seem to have issues with text being displayed in boxes, buttons, and applets |
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| 22:59.18 | *** topic/#debian by stew -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | MD5Sum mismatch? /msg dpkg fudo | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
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| 22:59.31 | stew | diff: added /msg dpkg fudo |
| 22:59.41 | streuner | dpkg, fudo |
| 22:59.41 | dpkg | methinks fudo is due to a bad mirror sync, ftp://ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors> |
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| 23:01.10 | streuner | That wasn't an issue in debian long time ago? |
| 23:02.28 | kernal | please everybody.... I'm looking for some advice or references... I accidently made a chown www-data:www-data to my entire server (debian sarge)... I'm looking for some avice before starting to change owners again... |
| 23:02.40 | DerJamster | kernal: ...ow |
| 23:02.45 | DerJamster | verily so |
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| 23:02.57 | kernal | yes |
| 23:03.00 | kernal | :( |
| 23:03.57 | stew | kernal: copy the permissions from last night's backup? |
| 23:04.30 | kernal | I'm just looking for some guidance... I know I have to chown to root some stuff, some other to users, some others to services... but... any ideas?= I have another debian where to copy some of the structures... |
| 23:04.31 | DerJamster | chown the home stuffs back to its owners. chown the entire rest to root:root. if /dev/ is managed by udev, it will set right owners after a reboot. Biggest issue will be some stuffs in /var tho, liek crontabs etc. |
| 23:04.32 | enouf | shawnr_: hey ;-) since that's an older box - you may wanna think about replacing the PSU (I had to on my p166, but that's an AT, ...yours is an ATX) -- but I'd check the PCI Buses are actually working first (need a multimeter) or just plug in a PCI card in each of the slots - the more the merrier, but if you only have one card to play with, still try it each slot. Now you could also use more RAM -- and likely a HDD...so PSU ($25), RAM ($50n |
| 23:04.33 | enouf | $10-20 on eBay), HDD ($50 on sale) -- atleast you can use the HDD and PSU in another box. r just build yourself another box entirely (if you can afford to) |
| 23:04.56 | kernal | stew: last night backup is good, but just for users, not entire server... |
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| 23:04.58 | epsilon | the .debs should contain the files with right permission, maybe you'll be able to extract the permissions |
| 23:04.58 | kernal | :S |
| 23:05.55 | kernal | DerJamster: Will I be able to reboot after that? |
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| 23:06.19 | kernal | I'm actually just able to run commands from webmin ssh front end, since ssh is not accessible... :S!!!!! |
| 23:06.22 | DerJamster | kernal: should be able to. I can't give a 100% guarantee tho. |
| 23:06.35 | DerJamster | kernal: jeez. Got a rescue sys for the thing? |
| 23:06.41 | stew | kernal: you can't just chown everything to root:root |
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| 23:07.04 | DerJamster | at least he can't leave it like that. |
| 23:07.04 | kernal | epsilon: you mean reinstall .debs? |
| 23:07.08 | DerJamster | it will take care of most things tho. |
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| 23:07.35 | kernal | stew: ok, I wont... |
| 23:07.38 | DerJamster | chown anything outside home to root:root, then take care of the rest that actually needs to be changed. |
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| 23:07.42 | epsilon | copy the current system somewhere, restore the latest system backup and copy back the difference by hand - the small difference should be able to be done by hand |
| 23:08.02 | DerJamster | epsilon: he has no system backups aside of home methinks ;) |
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| 23:08.06 | DerJamster | That's the problem. |
| 23:08.22 | DerJamster | I'd go for a reinstall, if home's backed up anyways.. |
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| 23:08.30 | epsilon | then the system was unimportant[tm] |
| 23:09.05 | DerJamster | kernal: just reinstall, restore the /home backup from yesterday, save yourself the trouble. |
| 23:09.08 | shawnr_ | enouf, you there? |
| 23:09.27 | rodietze | Does somebody here already installed Aptana on Debian? |
| 23:09.29 | kernal | DerJamster: All this is a remote server, I could copy all user data.... then try to rebuild from scartch... |
| 23:09.35 | enouf | shawnr_: yep |
| 23:10.03 | kernal | epsilon: then, you are right... I might learn some things now... |
| 23:10.13 | shawnr_ | enouf, i have a 200 gig hd, but im afraid to put it in this old box in fear that it will become damaged... that valid or do i really have nothing to worry about |
| 23:11.16 | Knorrie | shawnr_: i hope the bios can see more than 8 or 32 GB if it's really an old box :) |
| 23:11.33 | enouf | shawnr_: well for one thing your BIOS certainly won't see it all - and YES, you could damage it with a weak/faulty PSU, or Mobo circuitry |
| 23:11.45 | shawnr_ | hm |
| 23:11.48 | shawnr_ | then i will hold off |
| 23:12.03 | shawnr_ | i have a brand new biostar sli mobo sitting in the box here |
| 23:12.09 | shawnr_ | but its amd board ;( |
| 23:12.13 | shawnr_ | i got no amd chip |
| 23:12.16 | kernal | People, thanks to everybody... bye |
| 23:12.31 | shawnr_ | i also have a gig of patriot mem sitting in the box as well |
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| 23:12.59 | Celeste | hi |
| 23:12.59 | enouf | shawnr_: get an 80GB for that puppy -- I have an 80GB that has limiter jumpers (just in case the BIOS couldn't see over 32GB), this way, I can still have a Full 80GB for use on another box later |
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| 23:13.34 | enouf | shawnr_: Pick up an AMD64 3000 or something they're cheap! |
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| 23:13.42 | Celeste | how can I create an MD5sum of the content of a burnt CD ? I need to find out if the ISO has been burnt without errors ... there was a news 30 line long shellscript for that but I lost it |
| 23:13.51 | shawnr_ | enouf, yea, but then i still need a new grphx card |
| 23:13.59 | enouf | shawnr_: is that a s939 mobo or s754 ? |
| 23:14.07 | shawnr_ | enouf, thats all i need. cpu and grfx card |
| 23:14.11 | odla | i'm trying to install a theme in gnome...i thought i could just drag and drop a tarball in the gnome-theme-manager? |
| 23:14.12 | shawnr_ | 939 |
| 23:14.22 | shawnr_ | then i can finish this new comp im building |
| 23:14.38 | shawnr_ | got a 19in rosewill widescreen lcd ;) |
| 23:14.39 | enouf | shawnr_: could get a cheaper one w/onboard -- but even a decent VC is only 35-50 |
| 23:14.42 | streuner | odla: what does README say about? |
| 23:15.00 | streuner | odla: there is prolly a fine README in sources... |
| 23:15.04 | odla | streuner: when i try to drag and drop it tells me that bzip2 isn't installed |
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| 23:15.18 | odla | streuner: i'll check out the README |
| 23:15.19 | shawnr_ | enouf, i already got this mobo, don't have much money, whenever i get some, im gonna spend it on a grphx crd |
| 23:15.23 | streuner | odla: and why just don't install bzip2 ? |
| 23:15.30 | odla | bzip2 is installed |
| 23:15.37 | odla | but gnome-theme-manager tells me it isn't |
| 23:15.51 | streuner | odla: etch? |
| 23:15.53 | shawnr_ | enouf, i could buy a cheap used pentium board to replace the one in this old box |
| 23:15.55 | odla | streuner: yup |
| 23:16.04 | streuner | odla: what does BTS say about? |
| 23:16.06 | enouf | shawnr_: right-o -- do you need a 7800GTX to play Video in Winblows? |
| 23:16.14 | odla | streuner: i haven't checked |
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| 23:16.34 | shawnr_ | winblows lol, dump that completely about a month ago ;) |
| 23:16.43 | shawnr_ | yes, i took the plunge |
| 23:17.19 | shawnr_ | enouf, why you got a 7800gtx for sale? |
| 23:17.58 | enouf | shawnr_: Still -- you really ought to check the Mobo circuitry AND the PSU, before purchasing anything for that box -- a failing PSU wil break/wear/fault mobo components like a corrosive acid eats at skin ;-) |
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| 23:18.38 | k-man__ | does smbfs have a file size limit? |
| 23:18.40 | shawnr_ | enouf, oh no, when im talking about building a new box, this old one has nothing to do with it |
| 23:18.52 | enouf | shawnr_: No ....silly -- just asking if you're saving up for a nice machine to Game on...bc then, you'll need some $$ for a decent 3D card |
| 23:19.00 | k-man__ | or is the file size limit for smbfs anywhere neer 4 gig? |
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| 23:19.09 | shawnr_ | enouf, yea want sli |
| 23:19.37 | enouf | shawnr_: oh boy ;-) |
| 23:20.12 | norbert_ | question: is it possible to 'extract' an (726MB) .img file on a harddisk instead of burning it on a CD? (any good Debian tools for this?) |
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| 23:20.28 | shawnr_ | enouf, will start off with just one card though |
| 23:20.34 | stew | norbert_: mount -o loop /path/to/img /some/mountpoint |
| 23:20.35 | shawnr_ | get the other when i can afford it |
| 23:20.50 | norbert_ | stew: thanks a bunch, that was quick ;-) |
| 23:21.14 | stew | norbert_: that just mounts it and gets you readonly access to the files in the image, you can them copy them out to some other location if you wish |
| 23:21.15 | Mojo | Is it all right to direct a Debian PPC question here? |
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| 23:21.49 | stew | Mojo: you can try here, and if you don't get a response, ask #debianppc |
| 23:21.58 | enouf | shawnr_: If ATi support on linux didn't suck so much, I'd say look into the X1800 crossfire stuff (master/slave), in conjunction witht their Mobo Chipset (400?) -- but support for those ati chipsets sucks too now, as they're new -- but anyway you've got your SLI mobo anyway already |
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| 23:22.42 | norbert_ | stew: should I include -fs ext3? it tells me ioctl: LOOP_CLR_FD: Device or resource busy; mount: you must specify the filesystem type |
| 23:22.49 | Eulex | enouf, well, fglrx supports X1X00, right? |
| 23:23.03 | Mojo | All right, I keep experiencing a problem where when I attempt to launch KDE (after using aptitude to install Xfree86 and KDE) I get a get a message about "kpersonlize" and it just keeps repeating "kpersonlize". |
| 23:23.04 | Eulex | too bad there's no free driver that will work on them... |
| 23:23.05 | norbert_ | (don't want to destroy things) |
| 23:23.12 | Mojo | It seems as though it doesn't launch. |
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| 23:23.18 | Mojo | Does anyone know what could be causing that? |
| 23:23.21 | streuner | norbert_: you can't |
| 23:23.21 | Eulex | or well, there is, but only on david airlie's hdd |
| 23:23.30 | shawnr_ | enouf, i can't wait to finish it. first boot will be exiting |
| 23:23.46 | streuner | norbert_: if the kernel cannot handle it, you shouldn't worrie about... |
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| 23:23.53 | stew | norbert_: is it really ext3 or is it iso9660 (a cd image)? |
| 23:23.58 | stew | norbert_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 23:24.00 | enouf | Eulex: not sure -- only hear things about the newer hardware and drivers, but certainly not the Ati Mobo Chipsets AFAIK, (which is necessary for xfire) |
| 23:24.15 | norbert_ | stew: 2.6.15-1-k7-smp |
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| 23:24.43 | norbert_ | stew: no loop back device support, right? (just guessing...) |
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| 23:25.07 | CHodapp | WINE on AMD64.... worth the time to try or not? |
| 23:25.09 | Eulex | enouf, hmm, crossfire? aren't those just for putting two gfx cards in one box? ie, sli |
| 23:25.28 | enouf | Eulex: yep |
| 23:25.29 | streuner | norbert_: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 23:25.44 | stew | norbert_: that kernel would certainly have loopback support. you could try "modprobe loop", but it should have been loaded automatically |
| 23:25.56 | norbert_ | streuner: Linux version 2.6.15-1-k7-smp (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 SMP Mon Mar 6 15:50:26 UTC 2006 |
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| 23:26.06 | Eulex | enouf, oh, ok, he was asking specifically for an sli solution |
| 23:26.13 | enouf | Eulex: but it opwerates differnetly than nVidia's implementation of SLI and the way it manages the 2 x16 PCIe Slots |
| 23:26.25 | streuner | norbert_: why not just upgrade to a later kernel? |
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| 23:26.40 | Cooner750 | How can I install KDE in Debian without removing Gnome? |
| 23:26.43 | odla | i just installed a theme by coping it to /usr/share/themes however i can't select it or enter the directory because i don't have permission...i know it's there cause if i open gnome-theme-manager as root i can see the newly installed theme |
| 23:26.53 | norbert_ | stew: ren:/home/norbert# mount -o loop Dig/The_Dig.img /home/norbert/a |
| 23:26.57 | streuner | Cooner750: apt-get install kde :-) |
| 23:26.58 | norbert_ | stew: ...that is correct, right? |
| 23:27.01 | Cooner750 | I tried |
| 23:27.12 | enouf | Eulex: Plus -- in combo with the ATi Mobo Chipset , you can actually run 3 displays |
| 23:27.21 | Cooner750 | I get unment dependencies, and through Synaptic it wants to remove all of my gnome packages |
| 23:27.28 | stew | norbert_: what kind of image is it? |
| 23:27.53 | stew | norbert_: (that is correct, you could try "modprobe loop" and you could try -t fstype, depending on what fs it is) |
| 23:27.56 | streuner | Cooner750: no idea about synaptic, just use apt-get |
| 23:28.14 | streuner | Cooner750: and tell us your sources.list (/msg dpkg paste) |
| 23:28.19 | Eulex | enouf, hmm, ok |
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| 23:29.21 | odla | how do i change permissions of /usr/share/themes/foo so that i can access it via gnome-theme-manager? |
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| 23:29.53 | streuner | odla: look at the other permissions in that folder... |
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| 23:30.46 | streuner | odla: man chmod, man chgrp, man chown |
| 23:30.46 | Cooner750 | my sources.list http://pastebin.ca/109290 |
| 23:30.46 | odla | streuner: all root |
| 23:30.55 | norbert_ | stew: not sure what type it is, but I guess iso9660; a .cue file is included that says: FILE "the_dig.img" BINARY ; TRACK 1 MODE1/2352 ; FLAGS DCP ; INDEX 1 00:00:00 |
| 23:30.59 | odla | streuner: i tried chown user /usr/share/themes/foo/* but it didn't work |
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| 23:31.42 | lunitik | Cooner750: are you pinning any of that? and why the hell is there a breezy source? |
| 23:32.03 | stew | norbert_: oh, that's likely not a filesystem image then, what is it supposed to contain? |
| 23:32.13 | lunitik | Cooner750: also... mirrors.kernel.org is having issues atm |
| 23:32.23 | norbert_ | it's supposed to contain a dos or windows game that I can run with scummvm |
| 23:32.41 | Cooner750 | I suppose I could restore the original sources.list, whatever it contained... |
| 23:32.48 | norbert_ | (or with wine) |
| 23:33.15 | lunitik | Cooner750: seriously... are you pinning any of that? if not, you'd likely be better off reinstalling |
| 23:33.37 | streuner | odla: /msg dpkg permissions |
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| 23:34.40 | norbert_ | stew: it's a game, either a DOS game that I can run with scummvm, or a Windows game that I can run with wine |
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| 23:34.58 | lunitik | Although that ought to install KDE from Sid... if that was your original question :/ |
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| 23:35.41 | enouf | shawnr_ still there? |
| 23:35.45 | odla | streuner: thanks it was -R that i forgot |
| 23:35.46 | shawnr_ | yup |
| 23:35.50 | amicrawler | hey guys once i download a .deb file how to i install it ? |
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| 23:35.58 | enouf | I wanna clarify |
| 23:36.07 | Luke-Jr | amicrawler: why download a .deb file? |
| 23:36.08 | enouf | Rememeber I was saying to test things |
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| 23:36.21 | Luke-Jr | amicrawler: just apt-get install programname |
| 23:36.21 | stew | norbert_: i'm not going to help you pirate software |
| 23:36.25 | enouf | And you thought I meant the new mobo? |
| 23:36.28 | Cooner750 | fixed |
| 23:36.32 | shawnr_ | enouf, yea |
| 23:36.32 | amicrawler | becuse i'm using a freespire and the depots do nit have this file |
| 23:36.37 | Cooner750 | Restored original sources.list |
| 23:36.40 | Cooner750 | installing KDE now |
| 23:36.52 | enouf | You said you may "replae" the Older one with a used Pentium ?? |
| 23:36.58 | enouf | replace |
| 23:36.59 | Luke-Jr | amicrawler: why are you asking for freespire help in #debian? |
| 23:37.10 | lunitik | Cooner750: are you pinning your sources.list ? |
| 23:37.15 | lunitik | meh |
| 23:37.16 | amicrawler | becuse nobody is helping me there |
| 23:37.29 | shawnr_ | enouf, i was thinking maybe getting a newer pentium mobo for the junker |
| 23:37.29 | lunitik | He'll be back complaining that KDE is broken probably :/ |
| 23:37.31 | enouf | If you don't check the PSU -- you'll end up ruining anything New you put into the old box ...get it? |
| 23:37.35 | atun | can a firewire interface appear as eth0? I should have eth0 and eth1 but instead there is a weird eth0, eth1 and eth2 |
| 23:37.44 | Luke-Jr | amicrawler: I doubt anyone here uses Freespire |
| 23:37.49 | norbert_ | stew: it's abandonware |
| 23:37.54 | Luke-Jr | atun: yes |
| 23:38.00 | amicrawler | the files are the same |
| 23:38.08 | amicrawler | there all .deb files |
| 23:38.09 | Luke-Jr | norbert_: so illegal |
| 23:38.17 | Luke-Jr | amicrawler: incompatible .deb files, maybe |
| 23:38.18 | lunitik | amicrawler: its not our problem that no one cares about freespire |
| 23:38.26 | lunitik | amicrawler: install Debian and come back |
| 23:38.35 | amicrawler | i have deb as well |
| 23:38.39 | amicrawler | sarge |
| 23:38.42 | atun | well, now i know what whas messing up the new bridging script, thx |
| 23:38.46 | norbert_ | Luke-Jr: is it? |
| 23:38.54 | lunitik | amicrawler: neat... if you have issues installing it on that box, let us know |
| 23:38.56 | ice_1963 | well kde is broken from sid |
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| 23:39.10 | lunitik | ice_1963: I'm using it, and its working fine? |
| 23:39.16 | shawnr_ | enouf, k. thanks |
| 23:39.23 | Luke-Jr | norbert_: 100% |
| 23:39.24 | enouf | Basically If you replace anything -- do PSU 1st -- ok?? |
| 23:39.58 | enouf | shawnr_ my pleasure ;-) |
| 23:40.04 | lunitik | ice_1963: they uploaded the last packages earlier today afaik, and I've been using them all day... no issues |
| 23:40.05 | norbert_ | Luke-Jr: so, the-underdogs.info is 100% illegal? |
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| 23:40.11 | ice_1963 | lunitik: then your not in the us :) |
| 23:40.12 | norbert_ | Luke-Jr: then why is it still there? |
| 23:40.24 | lunitik | ice_1963: I'm in Arizona ... |
| 23:40.35 | Luke-Jr | norbert_: lack of enforcement does not make something legal |
| 23:41.01 | norbert_ | Luke-Jr: myeah, you got a point there |
| 23:41.04 | streuner | dpkg, abandonware is <reply> Abandonware is computer software which is no longer being sold or supported by its copyright holder. Sometimes, it is used as a blanket category for any software over a certain age, usually five years. The term has no legal meaning. This means that labeling any kind of software 'abandonware' does not make it legal to use it without paying or make copies of it. Unless the author puts the software in the public domai |
| 23:41.04 | streuner | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.04 | dpkg | okay, streuner |
| 23:41.08 | Luke-Jr | norbert_: nVidia's drivers are illegal, but they exist because nobody has enforced their copyright on Linux against them |
| 23:41.24 | ice_1963 | lunitik: are you useing debian.org? |
| 23:42.05 | ice_1963 | for your sources? |
| 23:42.26 | ice_1963 | or what |
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| 23:42.31 | lunitik | ice_1963: yes |
| 23:42.38 | lunitik | ice_1963: that and mirrors.kernel.org |
| 23:42.46 | ice_1963 | ok |
| 23:42.49 | norbert_ | ah well, then I guess it's time for bed |
| 23:43.07 | lunitik | ice_1963: mirrors.kernel.org is apparently where ftp.us.debian.org points though |
| 23:43.11 | cyd0rk | ice_1963: it wont matter from where you take the packages!!! |
| 23:43.19 | g333k | cyd0rk, I'm trying to install mplayer-386 but it says that has no all dependencies |
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| 23:43.36 | lunitik | cydork: mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.us.debian.org are having issues |
| 23:43.57 | streuner | ftu.us.d.o are many servers... |
| 23:43.59 | lunitik | cydork: no such issues here with regular ftp.debian.org |
| 23:44.01 | streuner | ftp* |
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| 23:44.44 | cyd0rk | g333k: /msg dpkg marillat |
| 23:44.46 | lunitik | streuner: someone here said it points there... so meh... I thought it just redirected... but person seemed adament, so I figured he must know :/ |
| 23:44.52 | ice_1963 | lunitik: ok well can't install kde from sid at all :( |
| 23:45.10 | cyd0rk | g333k: /msg dpkg marillat.etch |
| 23:45.11 | lunitik | ice_1963: I installed it earlier ... |
| 23:45.55 | ice_1963 | lunitik: did you install today? |
| 23:46.56 | lunitik | Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/mirrors.kernel.org_debian_dists_sid_contrib_binary-i386_Packages - open (2 No such file or directory) |
| 23:47.05 | lunitik | I'm getting that now from mirrors.kernel.org :/ |
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| 23:50.03 | poonj | anyone here use SeLinux? |
| 23:50.06 | poonj | with debian |
| 23:50.06 | Luke-Jr | I'm getting errors like "socket: Address family not supported by protocol" when I try to access IPv6-capable host from my non-IPv6-enabled server-- the ipv6 module is NOT loaded. Any ideas? |
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| 23:50.50 | lunitik | Hmm, and removing the contents of /var/lib/apt/lists/partial/ appears to have fixed it |
| 23:51.19 | g333k | cydork, I got the 7 keys of marillat, but apt still tells me that there are not keys avaiable |
| 23:51.20 | lunitik | meh or not |
| 23:54.01 | lunitik | !ops something should go into topic about mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.us.debian.org being down ... too many people are complaining |
| 23:54.02 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem, Maulkin, stew, peterS: lunitik complains about: something should go into topic about mirrors.kernel.org and ftp.us.debian.org being down ... too many people are complaining |
| 23:54.10 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: it's already there. |
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| 23:55.01 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: where? here wasn't just md5 issue... |
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| 23:55.24 | dondelelcaro | lunitik: that's the issue; what you're seeing is complaining about the fact that the Packages file hasn't completed, which is part of the problem. |
| 23:55.50 | enouf | poonj: Can you load the module? modprobe IPv6 -- or do I recall you telling another here earlier that ou do NOT have root access? |
| 23:56.09 | poonj | enouf, which modules? |
| 23:56.16 | poonj | I had to disable it |
| 23:56.26 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: I looked at topic, and still told dpkg to notify ops ... perhaps the entry in /topic should be changed? |
| 23:56.46 | enouf | lunitik: !fudo |
| 23:56.52 | poonj | because it was trying to create a ipv6 tunnel over ipv4, and it screwed up name resolution |
| 23:56.54 | enouf | !fudo |
| 23:56.54 | dpkg | [fudo] due to a bad mirror sync, ftp://ftp.us.debian.org and mirrors.kernel.org repositories are currently broken. use another repository for now, ask me about <mirrors> |
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| 23:57.23 | lunitik | I realize that... it'll get old fast telling everyone about that though... |
| 23:57.38 | ice_1963 | lol |
| 23:57.56 | streuner | poonj: did you read the FAQ and stuff of the maint? |
| 23:58.12 | enouf | poonj: IPv6 -- I have it here on Sid -- lsmod | grep IP ipv6 217760 10 |
| 23:58.17 | lunitik | enouf: unless you want to volunteer your services to pointing everyone that asks to that? |
| 23:58.37 | poonj | streuner, no... |
| 23:58.46 | enouf | lunitik: Ok -- if I don;t answer right away though .. just wait -- I'll be right back :p |
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| 23:59.02 | *** topic/#debian by dondelelcaro -> STATUS: http://wiki.debian.org/Status | f.d.o or m.k.o borked? /msg dpkg fudo | PUBLIC KEY NOT AVAILABLE? /msg dpkg 2006 key | THIS IS NOT #ubuntu | FAQ: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ | /msg dpkg bts | /msg dpkg testing security | X.org: /msg dpkg xorg sarge | NO FLOOD: USE #flood or /msg dpkg paster | /msg bots NOT people | /msg dpkg java |
| 23:59.08 | *** mode/#debian [-o dondelelcaro] by dondelelcaro |
| 23:59.23 | bluefox83 | there has got to be a way to fix my freakin flash installation... |
| 23:59.31 | lunitik | dondelelcaro: thank you, lets see if thats more effective :D |