| 00:00.02 | WoodyWoodpecker | stew: After my tests are done I will write a report. |
| 00:00.16 | stew | WoodyWoodpecker: right now i'm concentrating on trying to close RC bugs that are going to be what holds up etch |
| 00:00.44 | stew | i was on a roll for a while, but haven't gotten one in 2 days now |
| 00:01.42 | WoodyWoodpecker | Yeah, like me. I should be working on some stuff, but I am reading a lot about different things :-| |
| 00:02.01 | ygnome | stew: thanks mate, it was a closed port. apt has stopped complaining :) |
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| 00:03.08 | floundering | using cmucl lisp I can get the shell execution of x86f file ok as long as they have one parameter by adding (my-function (car (last extensions:*command-line-strings*)) but how do I do it for an optional parameter list? |
| 00:03.23 | H2OyJaBoN | hi hello! i wanna update to TESTING how to do it ? |
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| 00:03.29 | floundering | or does anyone have examples I could look at? |
| 00:03.49 | killown | I cannot install kernel with apt-get |
| 00:03.54 | killown | anyone help -me? |
| 00:04.09 | killown | Couldn't find package kernel |
| 00:04.11 | stew | killown: what version of debian? what have you tried, what went wrong? |
| 00:04.17 | BarryAllen | infernix, tks again, works with the slapd from sarge |
| 00:04.30 | BarryAllen | infernix, at least, the first .ldiff file |
| 00:04.32 | BarryAllen | :) |
| 00:04.41 | killown | stew... I tryied apt-get install kernel |
| 00:06.57 | killown | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). dont resolve my problem |
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| 00:07.13 | killown | dpkg: error processing kernel-image-2.6.8-2-386 (--remove): |
| 00:07.34 | killown | I cannot remove it |
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| 00:08.29 | stew | killown: what command did you type? "apt-get install kernel" ? what version of debian? |
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| 00:09.12 | killown | stew debian-br-cdd 1.0 |
| 00:09.44 | killown | stew I cannot remove kernel image |
| 00:10.25 | stew | killown: what is "debian-br-cdd 1.0"? |
| 00:11.22 | peterS | linsocietybot: are you a bot? |
| 00:12.01 | killown | stew version of debian |
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| 00:13.26 | stew | killown: never heard of it, where did you download it? |
| 00:14.12 | azeem | it's sarge tuned to the need of brazilian people I guess |
| 00:14.13 | killown | stew... http://cdd.debian-br.org/project/ |
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| 00:17.15 | killown | modinfo: snd: no module by that name found stew |
| 00:17.20 | killown | :( |
| 00:17.41 | pipeline | stoned: wine is your buddy |
| 00:18.59 | linsocietybot | peter |
| 00:19.05 | linsocietybot | peterS, no. not yet |
| 00:19.12 | linsocietybot | my xchat is set to auto join d |
| 00:19.16 | linsocietybot | #debian* |
| 00:19.36 | linsocietybot | and im testing a script right now |
| 00:19.41 | peterS | what do you mean, "not yet"? do you have some operations scheduled to turn you into a cyborg? |
| 00:19.48 | linsocietybot | lmao |
| 00:19.49 | linsocietybot | yea |
| 00:20.06 | peterS | kind of the opposite of "the centennial man" |
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| 00:25.52 | dvs | !tell judge -about away |
| 00:26.25 | piclez | please anyone can help me with aptitude? I keep getting this WARNING: This version of glibc requires that you be running |
| 00:26.25 | piclez | kernel version 2.4.1 or later. Earlier kernels contained |
| 00:26.25 | piclez | bugs that may render the system unusable if a modern version |
| 00:26.25 | piclez | of glibc is installed. |
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| 00:26.30 | judge | i have no auto ava msg |
| 00:26.31 | judge | oO |
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| 00:27.05 | piclez | ops sorry |
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| 00:29.10 | piclez | please how can I update my kernel to version 2.4.1 please |
| 00:29.18 | newbcoder | so I want to use something like a mixture of strace and ptrace; I want it to be like strace in that it's for system call level stuff; I want it to be like ptrace in that I can see/modify the arguments on the fly; so here's what I wnat: I have prog M (monitor), prog U (untrusted); whenever U makes a syscall, I want its arguments to be passed to M (instead of the kernel); M decides what to do, then passes the result of the syscall back to U; how |
| 00:29.18 | newbcoder | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:29.21 | deadcat | dondelelcaro: so close to finishing my photo gallery (=... its using php but it looks/acts just like libapache-gallery-perl. i just need to use the GD lib to gen thumbnails instead of using convert(1) and few bugs. |
| 00:29.30 | Gnea | piclez: that's not an update, that's a downgrade. |
| 00:30.12 | piclez | Gnea: hey thanks, why downgrade? my version now is 2.2.20 |
| 00:30.30 | Gnea | piclez: oh my, are you running hamm or woody? |
| 00:30.30 | ice_1963 | :) |
| 00:30.43 | piclez | and aptitude keeps warning me that my version of glibc requires 2.4.1 |
| 00:31.06 | piclez | Gnea: haha... sorry.. what do you mean? it's my dev box |
| 00:31.11 | deadcat | you need to dist-dist-upgrade (= |
| 00:31.17 | Gnea | piclez: what version of debian are you running? |
| 00:31.43 | piclez | Gnea: how can I check that please? uname -a ? |
| 00:31.44 | ice_1963 | did you update your sources list? |
| 00:31.50 | Gnea | cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 00:32.10 | piclez | ice_1963 yes I update through aptitude u , thank u |
| 00:32.12 | Gnea | piclez: no, uname -a only shows the kernel |
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| 00:32.23 | ak1ra | hi all |
| 00:32.28 | piclez | 3.1 Gnea |
| 00:32.36 | Gnea | so you're running sarge |
| 00:32.50 | ak1ra | has anyone had issues installing debian i386 on a sun X2100? |
| 00:32.51 | dvs | piclez: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:32.53 | piclez | Gnea: sorry for my ignorance... what means sarge? |
| 00:32.53 | dvs | piclez: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 00:32.55 | Gnea | piclez: ok, you have 2 choices then: upgrade to the latest 2.4, or take a step and go 2.6 |
| 00:32.59 | Gnea | !sarge |
| 00:32.59 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since sliced cheese. |
| 00:33.04 | Vasistha | ak1ra: uh, a Sun is not an i386, dude |
| 00:33.22 | ak1ra | Vasistha: its not a sparc. |
| 00:33.32 | piclez | u guys are awesome, thanks a lot for this support |
| 00:33.34 | Vasistha | ak1ra: what is the architecture? |
| 00:33.34 | ak1ra | its got a dualcore AMD 64 in i |
| 00:33.37 | Gnea | ak1ra: a sun is not an x86 |
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| 00:34.04 | piclez | Gnea, what do u recomend, 2.4 or 2.6, is 2.6 stable? |
| 00:34.19 | Gnea | piclez: they're both stable, 2.6 is newer and faster |
| 00:34.30 | dvs | and supported |
| 00:34.34 | Vasistha | piclez: 2.6 is almost definitely what you want, unless you're running old (pre-2000) hardware |
| 00:34.37 | Gnea | piclez: i recommend 2.6, the latest in sarge is 2.6.8, you can install like this: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 00:34.38 | k-god | Any particular reasons you wouldn't want to boot an SMP kernel on UP hardware? |
| 00:34.50 | ak1ra | New sun servers r x86 |
| 00:35.01 | Gnea | they are? |
| 00:35.03 | ak1ra | they dont all use sparc anymore |
| 00:35.11 | ak1ra | yeah check out sun.com |
| 00:35.13 | piclez | any good article I could read before this upgrade? are this gonna make major changes to my dev environmmet? i have some internal sites running and mySQL |
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| 00:35.17 | k-god | Gnea: Sun produces x86, Intel, AMD, and SPARC systems. |
| 00:35.48 | Gnea | k-god: check /proc/cpuinfo then, if it's an x86_64 then use an amd64 flavor |
| 00:35.50 | Gnea | !amd64 |
| 00:35.51 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, amd64 is See http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ and the #debian-amd64 IRC channel, or http://alioth.debian.org/docman/view.php/30192/21/debian-amd64-howto.html, now official, will be a supported arch on Etch, or a generic name. it also supports xeon etc, see http://wiki.debian.org/DebianAMD64Faq. Consider using debian/i386 if you do not have a good reason to use debian/amd64 |
| 00:35.52 | Gnea | oops |
| 00:35.58 | Gnea | ak1ra: check /proc/cpuinfo then, if it's an x86_64 then use an amd64 flavor |
| 00:35.59 | ak1ra | only thing is, i cant get passed the language select screen |
| 00:36.04 | Gnea | k-god: mis-msg |
| 00:36.08 | tuv | in-kernel ipw2200 modules suck :( they are old and problematic, and replacing them with new ones is too much work |
| 00:36.13 | piclez | Vasistha: thanks, the hardware is ok.. just wondering about major changes in configs. etc |
| 00:36.22 | Gnea | tuv: then suffer. |
| 00:36.22 | k-god | Gnea: NP. |
| 00:36.26 | Gnea | :) |
| 00:36.34 | tuv | Gnea, i am |
| 00:36.39 | ak1ra | USB keyboards arse supposed to work in the installer right? |
| 00:36.46 | ak1ra | :| |
| 00:36.51 | tuv | Gnea, actually i'm using an older kernel with latest ipw2200 |
| 00:37.29 | tuv | Gnea, it used to be much better having to build the modules after each kernel upgrade when it wasn't included in the kernel |
| 00:37.56 | piclez | Gnea: I get: couldnt find package kernel-image-2.6.8 |
| 00:38.09 | dvs | piclez: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-386 |
| 00:38.49 | piclez | thanks dvs! |
| 00:38.58 | Gnea | piclez: can you paste your /etc/apt/sources.list someplace? |
| 00:39.00 | Gnea | !paster |
| 00:39.01 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 00:39.04 | Gnea | piclez: like there ^^ |
| 00:39.50 | piclez | Gnea, dvs: found now, but I get kernel-image-2.6-386: Depends: linux-image-2.6-486 but it is not going to be installed and others warnings |
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| 00:40.01 | unity | hello i have a small problem with xorg, when i switch between two servers running on :0 and :1, my screen goes black for a second, it looks like the monitor is trying to change resolution settings. why is this? both of the xorgs have the save resolution settings, (although different virtual screen size) but whereas when i switch between consoles, it is instananeous, the screen does not go black or change resolution. |
| 00:40.30 | piclez | and libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.6-15) but 2.3.5-13 is to be installed |
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| 00:41.06 | dvs | !info libc6 sarge |
| 00:41.10 | dpkg | libc6: (GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone data), section base, is required. Version: 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3 (sarge), Packaged size: 4798 kB, Installed size: 15368 kB |
| 00:41.14 | killown | how I get alsa driver for kernel 2.4.31 in apt-get? |
| 00:41.27 | Guerin | unity: does the switch happen? |
| 00:41.42 | Guerin | killown: apt-cache search alsa 2.4.31 |
| 00:41.57 | killown | Guerin... no found packages |
| 00:41.58 | unity | Guerin: yes, the switch happens, but i would like to avoid the second of blackness |
| 00:42.05 | unity | Guerin: i switch a lot |
| 00:42.09 | Guerin | killown: then you probably can't |
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| 00:42.29 | killown | I go to remove debian now |
| 00:42.35 | Guerin | unity: probably worth a trace or something. I can't think what it might be. |
| 00:42.44 | Guerin | killown: why use 2.4 if you want alsa? |
| 00:42.52 | Guerin | killown: i mean, you can always build source |
| 00:43.06 | Guerin | killown: but if you want alsa you're saner using a 2.6 kernel |
| 00:43.17 | killown | Guerin... apt-get install kernel no works |
| 00:43.29 | Guerin | !doesn't work' |
| 00:43.32 | Guerin | !doesn't work |
| 00:43.32 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 00:43.33 | stew | killown: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 00:43.42 | stew | killown: there is no package named "kernel" so that wouldn't work |
| 00:44.27 | killown | apt-get install kernel Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done E: Couldn't find package kernel |
| 00:44.33 | Guerin | ... |
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| 00:46.27 | k-god | Guerin: Say, I've got some PDFs I'd like transcribed into HTML, interested? |
| 00:47.12 | ak1ra | is there anyway to force the debian installer to recognise a USB keyboard maybe? |
| 00:47.23 | piclez | soI should install lib6 before upgrade my kernel? |
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| 00:47.37 | dvs | piclez: you're not running sarge |
| 00:48.35 | piclez | dvs: Gnea told me: Gnea: so you're running sarge, I'm confused |
| 00:48.54 | dvs | piclez: the version of libc6 it wants to upgrade to is not in sarge |
| 00:49.16 | piclez | oh ok |
| 00:49.33 | Guerin | k-god: cost you $50/hour |
| 00:49.34 | piclez | so I need to hold this libc6 untill I upgrade right? |
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| 00:49.52 | Guerin | ak1ra: that's a bios thing, not a debian thing |
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| 00:50.29 | dvs | piclez: you're /etc/apt/sources.list is not pointing at sarge |
| 00:50.48 | Vasistha | *your |
| 00:50.57 | dvs | yore |
| 00:51.11 | blx | module-assistant is giving me errors with empty logs |
| 00:51.31 | Vasistha | dvs: dew knot trusse you're spell cheque two fined awl yore miss takes |
| 00:51.35 | blx | anyone know what's up then? |
| 00:51.44 | Guerin | blx: i can't help with the errors, but I can tell you how to fill up the logs |
| 00:51.50 | dvs | Vasistha: know |
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| 00:51.57 | Vasistha | :D |
| 00:52.04 | Omega11 | debian linux sucks compared windows xp |
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| 00:52.24 | Vasistha | Omega11: if you've got a debian question, feel free to ask. trolling is not supported here. |
| 00:52.34 | Guerin | Omega11: what the hell, I can't drive this ferrari thing, it's not automatic |
| 00:52.39 | planeswalker | Omega11 is ghey |
| 00:52.42 | blx | Guerin, that a joke? sorry i'm tired ;) |
| 00:52.54 | Guerin | planeswalker: is that like whey? |
| 00:53.09 | Guerin | blx: it's not funny enough to laugh at, sorry. |
| 00:53.19 | planeswalker | Omega1: fuck you! i've fucked more bitches than you've ever met in your entire life you son of a bitcchhhhhhh |
| 00:53.27 | Guerin | stew: ping |
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| 00:53.36 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 00:53.38 | blx | i've been compiling my kernel for some hours now, would be nice if it worked too. |
| 00:53.47 | stew | Omega11: do you have any debian related questions? |
| 00:53.48 | Guerin | planeswalker just took a walk to carceri |
| 00:54.02 | piclez | Gnea, dvs: I got it, here is the paste, sorry for so long: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3271 |
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| 00:54.12 | ak1ra | Guerin: it doesnt seem to be bios related |
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| 00:54.22 | Omega11 | on windows xp you don't have to compike your kernel |
| 00:54.23 | ak1ra | the kb functions all the way until i get in the installer |
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| 00:54.29 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@69-173-186-66.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] by stew |
| 00:54.29 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 00:54.33 | Guerin | ak1ra: does the keyboard work in bios? |
| 00:54.35 | dvs | piclez: yup, you have both stable and testing in that file. |
| 00:54.40 | ak1ra | Guerin: yes |
| 00:54.40 | k-god | !beer stew |
| 00:54.42 | Guerin | ok |
| 00:54.45 | piclez | dvs: so how can I point them to sarge? |
| 00:55.00 | Guerin | ak1ra: which kernel? |
| 00:55.09 | ak1ra | the latest |
| 00:55.10 | Guerin | ak1ra: just stock linux24? |
| 00:55.15 | ak1ra | yeah |
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| 00:55.24 | ak1ra | i downloaded the latest stable |
| 00:55.24 | dvs | piclez: keep the first two lines and the last line |
| 00:55.38 | ak1ra | even tried it with an old installer from 2005 |
| 00:55.39 | Guerin | try 2.6, but if it works in bios it should work once the kernel boots |
| 00:55.58 | Guerin | aargh |
| 00:55.59 | piclez | dvs: so delete the others and run apt-get again? |
| 00:56.04 | stoned | mm |
| 00:56.05 | dvs | yup |
| 00:56.06 | Guerin | too many chocolate-coated aricots |
| 00:56.07 | stoned | big mac |
| 00:56.17 | piclez | sweet |
| 00:56.39 | Vasistha | Guerin: that could be a good thing or a bad thing ... I guess right now you're thinkin' it was a bad thing... |
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| 00:57.16 | Natman | I'm trying to set up exim to allow clients to use TLS when connecting to the exim server. I've added the define to the conf, but exim isn't advertising TLS support. |
| 00:57.19 | stoned | this is strange, every mcd's i've been to in oklahoma or texas, I've hardly ever seen anyone but mexican people working there. Not a good/bad thing, just an observation. I wonder if they know about debian |
| 00:57.47 | Xenguy | heh |
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| 00:58.23 | piclez | dvs: I keep getting the same error: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3272 |
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| 00:58.47 | stoned | get me a greencard, will code for free hehe |
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| 00:58.51 | stoned | im gonna go eat |
| 00:59.14 | dvs | piclez: you installed libc6-dev from testing. YOu have to remove it. |
| 00:59.20 | Hoxzer | :/ |
| 00:59.31 | Hoxzer | YEAH |
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| 01:01.10 | piclez | dvs: gottcha! removing it thanks my friend! |
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| 01:01.48 | piclez | dvs: if I wanna to the same but using aptitude, what should I do? |
| 01:02.10 | dvs | piclez: same thing as what? |
| 01:02.21 | predder | I'm about to install a 32bit and 64bit version of debian onto the same hard drive (different partitions). Do I have to worry about whether or not grub is 32/64bit? |
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| 01:02.45 | piclez | dvs: install new kernel but using the GUI |
| 01:02.59 | im_fine_u | Do I have to install Debian from a CD? |
| 01:02.59 | dvs | piclez: just install aptitude |
| 01:03.09 | piclez | should I run now apt-get install kernel... ? |
| 01:03.11 | k-god | predder: Nope. |
| 01:03.16 | stew | im_fine_u: no, /msg dpkg ig |
| 01:03.18 | dvs | piclez: yes |
| 01:03.42 | piclez | I know, I can run aptitude but it was complaining about the libc6... and I dont know if it's source list is pointing to Sarge?! |
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| 01:05.31 | BarryAllen | anyone using openxchange there? |
| 01:05.32 | dvs | piclez: apt-get update |
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| 01:06.09 | piclez | dvs, thanks for all |
| 01:06.40 | piclez | installing new kernel.. |
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| 01:09.26 | acad | how do i release an ip address ? |
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| 01:09.47 | dondelelcaro | acad: ifdown foointerface; |
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| 01:09.58 | dondelelcaro | acad: but DHCPRELEASE is rather useless anyway |
| 01:10.05 | acad | how come? |
| 01:10.29 | dondelelcaro | no server actually pays much attention to it, because too many clients that use it are broken |
| 01:10.39 | acad | aww |
| 01:11.09 | piclez | dvs: I got a warning about the initrd RAM, I don't know how to make it or if I already have it setup... |
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| 01:11.32 | dvs | piclez: Do you use Grub or lilo? |
| 01:11.33 | piclez | just add the image/-vmlinuz to my lilo? |
| 01:11.36 | k-god | piclez: Should Just Happen when you install a kernel the debian way. |
| 01:11.53 | k-god | piclez: If it's the notice that you need to configure LILO to use an initrd, ignore if you're using GRUB. |
| 01:12.18 | k-god | piclez: If you're using LILO, you'll need to add an initrd stanza and re-run 'lilo'. |
| 01:12.20 | piclez | not sure butI think it's LILO |
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| 01:12.57 | piclez | anyway to check if its really LILO? :S |
| 01:13.03 | dondelelcaro | acad: furthermore, if you're trying to use it to change ip addresses, servers don't use it for that either, because it's far better to give a client back the same ip address that they had |
| 01:14.05 | acad | what do i have to do, change my mac address? |
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| 01:14.35 | stoned | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.51 | k-god | stoned: Thay can be configured in ifconfig. |
| 01:15.03 | piclez | yes, lilo |
| 01:15.10 | stoned | all I read was nevermind |
| 01:15.18 | stoned | I didn't read, I was eating doh |
| 01:15.27 | k-god | stoned: Munchies? |
| 01:15.30 | stoned | kinda |
| 01:15.40 | dvs | stoned: you were eating dough? ;-) |
| 01:15.41 | stoned | supersize big mac and ultra large DP |
| 01:15.55 | k-god | stoned: Barf. |
| 01:15.56 | Guerin | nasty |
| 01:16.05 | stoned | bugger off |
| 01:16.12 | dvs | stoned: super size you! |
| 01:16.23 | Guerin | !who ate all the pies stoned |
| 01:16.23 | dpkg | Who ate all the pies? Who fat bastard stoned, you fat bastard stoned, you ate all the pies! |
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| 01:16.26 | stoned | I want them to come out with like super sized factory made cigars |
| 01:16.30 | stoned | if ya know what I mean ;) |
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| 01:18.06 | keram | hey |
| 01:18.26 | stoned | fast food has no effect me. I am been around 145lbs to 155lbs max |
| 01:18.28 | keram | where is the network interface information stored? like where can you edit their info? |
| 01:18.38 | stoned | keram, /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:18.38 | dvs | stoned: just wait |
| 01:18.44 | keram | okay thanks :] |
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| 01:19.54 | stoned | dvs, I've always been very skinny, plus I practice brazillian jui-jitsu 3 times a week |
| 01:19.55 | stoned | :D |
| 01:19.58 | piclez | dvs: k-god: just to confirm, I just need to add 'initrd=/initrd.img' to my image/vmlinuz stanza of my lilo.conf right? |
| 01:20.20 | dvs | piclez: then run lilo afterwards |
| 01:22.08 | piclez | dvs: ops, Fatal: open /initrd.img : No such file or dir. |
| 01:22.13 | poh | I installed kernel 2.6.17 and the ipw2200-3.0 firmware, but dmesg shows an error while loading the firmware. can I run this kernel with my wireless and run only debian packages? |
| 01:22.21 | dvs | piclez: chicken and egg |
| 01:22.31 | stoned | dvs, what came first? |
| 01:22.42 | dvs | stoned: the kernel in this case. ;-) |
| 01:22.46 | stoned | lol |
| 01:22.55 | piclez | dvs: ? |
| 01:23.09 | dvs | piclez: you didn't install the kernel yet |
| 01:23.43 | stew | poh: where are you putting the firmware? |
| 01:23.56 | piclez | haha |
| 01:24.05 | stew | poh: you are using the building driver right? you didn't install ipw2200 separately did you? |
| 01:24.30 | piclez | ok, I have in other terminal: Do you want to stop now? after that warning |
| 01:24.44 | dvs | piclez: say "no" |
| 01:24.46 | piclez | dvs: lol.. sorry man lots of questions I know |
| 01:24.55 | poh | stew:/usr/lib/hotplug/firmware/ and no, I did not install it seperately |
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| 01:25.23 | stew | poh: is /usr/ on a separate partition than / ? |
| 01:25.48 | poh | stew: yes |
| 01:25.58 | stew | poh: then move it to /lib/firmware |
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| 01:26.20 | poh | stew: thanks |
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| 01:26.48 | debfan | anyone know a good tutorial for setting up nameservers |
| 01:26.53 | piclez | dvs: install boot block? yes right, only this I have |
| 01:26.55 | debfan | i really cant seem to find one |
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| 01:27.01 | dvs | piclez: yes |
| 01:27.17 | piclez | yes for me or yes for block? :P ;) |
| 01:27.32 | dvs | piclez: yes, install in the boot block. |
| 01:27.51 | debfan | ?? |
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| 01:27.57 | piclez | dvs: sweet.. done! lilo now or restart? |
| 01:28.06 | piclez | dvs! thanks again |
| 01:28.08 | dvs | piclez: lilo now |
| 01:28.09 | stoned | lilo |
| 01:28.24 | piclez | Added Linux * |
| 01:28.29 | piclez | and now? reboot or no? |
| 01:28.33 | dvs | reboot |
| 01:28.42 | stoned | toober |
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| 01:28.49 | dvs | twobeer? |
| 01:28.58 | stoned | possibly, if abrotman is around |
| 01:29.12 | dvs | stew: Bah! American beer. |
| 01:30.39 | bucky | debfan: http://dns.slashusr.org/ |
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| 01:32.13 | fs-a_ | wow kde is really a mess on sid today |
| 01:32.34 | stoned | strange |
| 01:32.38 | fs-a_ | i wont even try let apt do the upgrade it suggests |
| 01:32.58 | fs-a_ | "the following will be removed: <half of kde>" |
| 01:33.04 | dvs | stoned: it's not strange to me at all |
| 01:33.13 | stoned | I use kde on sid on my main desktop |
| 01:33.18 | stoned | I just updated my system today |
| 01:33.23 | stoned | not a dist-upgrade though, just upgrade |
| 01:33.32 | stoned | its fine, kde is good and works fine |
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| 01:33.34 | fs-a_ | ye, upgrade is alone is normal |
| 01:33.39 | fs-a_ | s/is a/a |
| 01:34.24 | stoned | oh FUCK! |
| 01:34.28 | stoned | shit, brb |
| 01:34.33 | fs-a_ | :o |
| 01:35.26 | piclez | thanks all a lot. upgraded! |
| 01:35.47 | stoned | I restored my old /home to this pc and umm.. it overwrote alias upgrade='sudo aptitude upgrade' with alias upgrade='sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' |
| 01:35.47 | stoned | I just ... oh man, this is not good |
| 01:36.06 | fs-a_ | it seems that it replaces kdelibs-data |
| 01:36.07 | dvs | piclez: I'd try "apt-get dist-upgrade" first |
| 01:36.16 | fs-a_ | and then removes half of current kde packs |
| 01:36.42 | fs-a_ | so, theoretically if you installer the previous version of kdelibs-data you could re-install the removed packs |
| 01:36.54 | fs-a_ | s/installer/install |
| 01:37.11 | stoned | oh man, the packages I created with modified sources also lost |
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| 01:37.24 | stoned | more work for me, goddamit |
| 01:37.32 | dvs | !beer stoned |
| 01:37.54 | stoned | thanks heh |
| 01:38.13 | stoned | man, everything was going great all day man, and now this is just man.. ruined my entire day |
| 01:38.54 | piclez | dvs: I get an error: Command line option 'p' from -upgrade is not known |
| 01:39.05 | piclez | apt-get -upgrade dist ? |
| 01:39.20 | tvn | dist-upgrade |
| 01:39.24 | fs-a_ | one word |
| 01:39.25 | dvs | piclez: The stuff in quotes, exactly |
| 01:39.39 | piclez | sure! haha |
| 01:39.41 | fs-a_ | two words a dash inbetween |
| 01:39.45 | fs-a_ | no space |
| 01:39.52 | piclez | thanks ;) |
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| 01:40.20 | piclez | 67 upgrade, 0 new and 3 to remove, ok?! |
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| 01:41.08 | dvs | piclez: do it! |
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| 01:42.08 | piclez | haha :) doing! lol |
| 01:42.35 | piclez | any idea now how can I fix this with Apache 1.3 http://channels.debian.net/paste/3273 I think I removed something back when I used aptitude |
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| 01:43.04 | stoned | aptitude is great |
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| 01:43.32 | dvs | piclez: I don't use Apache 1.3 |
| 01:43.33 | stoned | although I just fucked over my own packages for which I didn't keep a backup ARGH! |
| 01:43.44 | dvs | !shame stoned |
| 01:43.51 | stoned | I should've pinned those |
| 01:44.01 | stoned | how could I have been so careless |
| 01:44.04 | stoned | oh right, its the weed |
| 01:44.14 | stoned | im gonna go relax man, im too pissed off at myself |
| 01:44.15 | stoned | later |
| 01:44.37 | piclez | stoned later! relax \|/ |
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| 01:49.12 | piclez | can I run apt-get -install libapache1-mod-php4 or similar?! |
| 01:49.42 | poh | it seems I need udev 094, but all debian has is 093, is there any way I can get it? |
| 01:50.04 | dvs | !info udev etch |
| 01:50.18 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.093-1 (etch), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 928 kB |
| 01:50.31 | dvs | !info udev sid |
| 01:50.38 | dpkg | udev: (/dev/ and hotplug management daemon), section admin, is optional. Version: 0.093-1 (sid), Packaged size: 249 kB, Installed size: 928 kB |
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| 01:50.50 | dvs | oh man. it's nowhere to be found! |
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| 01:51.37 | poh | I was going to compile it myself, but the README told me that was a BAD IDEA |
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| 01:54.44 | DragonD | i have a general ip question, for some reason many people can't access me server, and some can. also some that can't try to ssh to me server and the ssh fingerprint is different. is someone spoofing me ip or something? |
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| 01:57.28 | linux2 | does anyone know what the volume button control app is in debian? |
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| 01:57.48 | linux2 | it runs with the desktop environment |
| 01:57.48 | linux2 | when you install that from the installer |
| 01:57.48 | linux2 | but if you don't |
| 01:57.50 | linux2 | i cannot seem to get something similar in kde |
| 01:57.54 | linux2 | any help is appreciated |
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| 01:59.50 | slew | how hard is it to get printing to work with etch? |
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| 02:00.29 | turi | can anyone help me with setting up nameservers on my server ? |
| 02:00.47 | turi | im trying to actually host the nameservers myself, so people can use ns1.mydomain.com for their domains and box will take them in |
| 02:01.01 | turi | but at the same time i want my own domains ns servers to be ns1.thesamedomain.com |
| 02:01.07 | turi | and ns2 of course, can anyone help me with this? |
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| 02:03.01 | linux_user400354 | i am trying to get linux to use my swap space. lvdiplay is showing my LV Name for my space space. this command gives says device not found. # swapon -L /dev/VolGroup00/LogVol01 |
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| 02:04.41 | piclez | dvs: do I need to update my apt-get source list again? |
| 02:04.52 | dvs | piclez: for what? |
| 02:05.17 | dvs | piclez: actually, no, it doesn't matter what you want to do. |
| 02:05.19 | piclez | to uptade some packages |
| 02:05.53 | dvs | ummm... that came out wrong. |
| 02:05.55 | piclez | dvs: I'm getting a conflict -> libapache-mod-php4: Depends: php4-common (= 4:4.3.10-16) but 4:4.4.2-1 is to be installed |
| 02:06.11 | piclez | php4-common is installed already |
| 02:06.46 | dvs | !info libapache-mod-php4 sarge |
| 02:06.49 | dpkg | libapache-mod-php4: (server-side, HTML-embedded scripting language (apache 1.3 module)), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 1576 kB, Installed size: 3156 kB |
| 02:07.08 | dvs | again, libapache-mod-php4 is a testing package, not sarge |
| 02:08.10 | dvs | !info php4-common sarge |
| 02:08.15 | dpkg | php4-common: (Common files for packages built from the php4 source), section web, is optional. Version: 4:4.3.10-16 (sarge), Packaged size: 163 kB, Installed size: 384 kB |
| 02:08.47 | piclez | dvs: ok, anyway I can have the old version as well? |
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| 02:08.53 | dvs | piclez: no |
| 02:09.20 | piclez | dvs: so I can have PHP4 running more on apache 1.3? |
| 02:09.30 | joe666 | is there a proc file where the kernel saves a list of available ethernet devices and their names ? perhaps info such as their kind and mac address ? |
| 02:09.33 | dvs | piclez: I dont use apache 1.3 |
| 02:11.03 | piclez | ok |
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| 02:13.19 | jetscreamer | joe666 ls /proc/net/ and cat something maybe |
| 02:13.25 | linux2 | does anyone know what the volume button control app is in debian? |
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| 02:13.28 | linux2 | it runs with the desktop environment |
| 02:13.30 | linux2 | but if you don't |
| 02:13.34 | linux2 | i cannot seem to get something similar in kde |
| 02:13.39 | jetscreamer | kmix for kde |
| 02:13.44 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kmix |
| 02:13.49 | linux2 | well that won't allow the laptop volume buttons to work |
| 02:14.01 | linux2 | in ubuntu there is a little graphical thing that shows up for that |
| 02:14.04 | jetscreamer | ah laptop volume buttons |
| 02:14.06 | linux2 | when you press the buttions |
| 02:14.06 | stoned | linux2, here |
| 02:14.09 | stoned | !keytouch |
| 02:14.10 | dpkg | keytouch is probably a program which allows you to easily configure and define the EXTRA keys on your Multimedia/Internet ready keyboard with absolute ease. Get those keys working now! http://keytouch.sourceforge.net/about.html |
| 02:14.26 | stoned | it also works with laptops and any keyboards with any kind of extra buttons |
| 02:14.32 | stoned | you have to configure the actions for those buttons yourself |
| 02:14.40 | dvs | stoned: even in the console? |
| 02:14.50 | stoned | not in console I don't think |
| 02:14.58 | stoned | actually, I'm not sure |
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| 02:16.44 | jetscreamer | cat /proc/net/arp gives up the mac |
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| 02:17.43 | linux_user400354 | why is linux saying i have 757.8 MiB of memory when I really have 256+512=768mb |
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| 02:18.12 | joe666 | jetscreamer: I see, ant /proc/net/dev gives devices, question is wether this info is there even if the device is not configured with ifconfig |
| 02:18.34 | jetscreamer | joe666: beyond me |
| 02:18.47 | joe666 | jetscreamer: thanks a lot |
| 02:18.50 | Gnea | linux_user400354: check /var/log/dmesg for the Memory line toward the top that breaks the memory usage down, should look something like this: Memory: 1035780k/1048512k available (1692k kernel code, 12032k reserved, 627k da |
| 02:18.54 | Gnea | ta, 140k init, 131008k highmem) |
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| 02:25.58 | Cyco | Has anyone successfully used 855/915resolution to get 1400x1050 resolution out of an i845GM or simular? |
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| 02:26.37 | Gnea | 855/915? what's that? |
| 02:26.45 | Gnea | and what's an i845GM? |
| 02:26.46 | stoned | probably onboard video |
| 02:26.53 | Gnea | i refuse to assume |
| 02:27.08 | stoned | i845 is intel sometning or other |
| 02:27.19 | Cyco | 855resolution or 915resolution are programs for changing the modes in the video bios, and 845gm is an integrated intel video card |
| 02:27.19 | stoned | most proabbly onboard video |
| 02:27.21 | slew | how hard is it to get printing to work with etch? |
| 02:27.32 | stoned | slew, not that hard |
| 02:27.37 | Gnea | as hard as it is with sarge and sid, likely |
| 02:27.38 | dvs | baited |
| 02:27.48 | stoned | slew, its only as hard as the skill level of the admin |
| 02:28.08 | slew | stoned, well, dont see any options for adding a printer anywhere in gnome |
| 02:28.18 | Cyco | the native resolution in Windows is 1400x1050, but all I can get in X is 1024x768 |
| 02:28.24 | stoned | slew, and you've installed cups? |
| 02:28.30 | stoned | I don't use gnome so I have no idea |
| 02:28.35 | slew | stoned, yah cupsys |
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| 02:29.50 | stoned | I use an hp deskjet so I just use hpoj/ijs etc. and it auto configures everything, then I just add a printer in kde, about gnome, dunno what kinda print config tools it has |
| 02:29.59 | Cyco | so no one eh? |
| 02:30.06 | slew | stoned, so far none.. |
| 02:30.17 | stoned | slew, try irc.gnome.org |
| 02:30.20 | stoned | #gnome |
| 02:30.27 | stoned | if there isn't any help here for gnome |
| 02:30.56 | slew | stoned, ok thanks. |
| 02:31.03 | stoned | Cyco, did you specify the correct monitor vert/horiz frequencies |
| 02:31.21 | Cyco | I'm afraid I don't know them... laptop |
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| 02:31.35 | pipeline | stoned: KDE and Gnome both use CUPS. |
| 02:31.55 | stoned | pipeline, well I guess its the same on both then |
| 02:33.21 | Gnea | oh man, i love gimp+openoffice |
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| 02:34.17 | Gnea | write diagrams on several pieces of paper, scan them in with gimp, save as png, open in openoffice, cut 'n paste to new slides, export as PDF. |
| 02:34.26 | Cyco | In my log xorg log I get Not using mode "1400x1050" (no mode of this name) |
| 02:35.02 | jetscreamer | you may have that defined in xorg.conf |
| 02:35.04 | Gnea | !laptop |
| 02:35.05 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
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| 02:35.26 | jetscreamer | or, may have to define |
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| 02:36.14 | stoned | Gnea, I hate adobe/pdf to begin with |
| 02:36.18 | stoned | pdf files piss me off |
| 02:36.52 | Cyco | There isn't much about my TTX PY 2500 |
| 02:37.08 | vuud | Hey. I am moving from another distro to debian... I am very experienced and run a lot of "bleeding edge" versions of stuff. Should I run debian unstable? I am under the impression that the unstable packages tend to be newer versions (although not well tested). |
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| 02:37.18 | yzrider08 | $date = "date --date='%m-%d-%Y'" (what did i do wrong here, shell script) |
| 02:37.19 | stoned | !sid faq |
| 02:37.19 | dpkg | from memory, sid faq is http://wooledge.org/~greg/sidfaq.html |
| 02:37.24 | stoned | vuud, read above |
| 02:37.29 | vuud | danka |
| 02:37.31 | stoned | np |
| 02:38.13 | Cyco | nothing at all actually |
| 02:38.18 | vuud | Thanks, I'll check back later |
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| 02:38.25 | Cyco | Hi Neil |
| 02:38.32 | MadMerlin | ha! |
| 02:38.37 | yzrider08 | i didnt? |
| 02:38.39 | stoned | Cyco, the only laptop I have is powerbook 3400c running sarge/testing |
| 02:38.44 | stoned | X works fine. |
| 02:39.04 | stoned | Cyco, you can try looking up your laptop specs for the screen part and trying to see if you can input the required info |
| 02:39.20 | MadMerlin | that's not Cyc OR TheCycoONE |
| 02:39.26 | Cyco | not anymore |
| 02:39.31 | MadMerlin | clearly |
| 02:39.32 | stoned | Cyco, I had an old sony vaio pc, 8mb onboard intel, in windows it only have a maximum of 1024x |
| 02:39.50 | Cyco | stoned: in windows this does have 1400x1050 |
| 02:39.55 | stoned | Cyco, under X the same thing gave me 1400x1050, it wouldn't unless I fed it my monitor specs |
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| 02:40.35 | stoned | Cyco, now about the laptop, I don't know what to tell ya |
| 02:40.50 | stoned | Cyco, my experience has been limited, mostly because I can't ever afford a laptop |
| 02:40.54 | Cyco | stoned: I've tried using glf and other calculators, but those modelines dont seem to help |
| 02:40.58 | stoned | have not been able to* |
| 02:41.25 | Cyco | thanks though... yes there's not much information available from TTX |
| 02:41.32 | stoned | sorry |
| 02:41.48 | Cyco | np |
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| 02:42.24 | Cyco | Oh, do you know anything about the xorg.conf line "ForceBIOS" I've seen it as part of some solutions |
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| 02:42.40 | MadMerlin | did you already mention 855resolution? |
| 02:42.40 | stoned | no idea |
| 02:42.44 | Cyco | yes |
| 02:43.57 | Cyco | perhaps I should try the Gentoo room, I mean if it's an xorg thing it's going to be the same on all distros |
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| 02:44.08 | Cyco | probably |
| 02:44.08 | foo | hmm, I want to resize like 10 pictures at once. What is the best way to do this? |
| 02:44.33 | MadMerlin | imagemagick is good for that |
| 02:44.51 | foo | MadMerlin: That's what I thought. Would I need a bash script for something like this? hm |
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| 02:45.04 | MadMerlin | maybe like a 2 liner |
| 02:45.50 | MadMerlin | something like: |
| 02:45.51 | MadMerlin | find . -type f -maxdepth 1 -exec convert '{}' -thumbnail '300x300>' 'thumbs/{}' \; |
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| 02:46.18 | oxez | Hm, I'm currently reading the doc on debian.org, and I've got a question. I'm currently downloading debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso (which is etch right?), and I'm wondering if installing packages from the unstable repos could lead to serious problems? I just took for example: amarok, which is at 1.4.1 in unstable, and 1.4.0 in testing. Thanks in advance for the explanation! |
| 02:46.23 | MadMerlin | which will resize, preserving aspect ratio, such that the largest dimension is at most 300 px |
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| 02:50.26 | MadMerlin | there's also #freedesktop or #xorg you might try |
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| 02:55.30 | Cyco | Is there a gtf equivalent in etch? |
| 02:56.19 | dondelelcaro | Cyco: what does gtf do? |
| 02:56.28 | zinx | it generates modelines according to some standard |
| 02:56.30 | Cyco | calculates modelines |
| 02:56.31 | Cyco | yes |
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| 02:56.45 | zinx | Cyco: there's an online version on sh.nu somewhere |
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| 02:56.58 | dondelelcaro | !+find gtf |
| 02:57.00 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:57.06 | zinx | Cyco: http://sh.nu/nvidia/gtf.php |
| 02:57.10 | dpkg | Debian Search of 'gtf' (4 of 19): (/usr/share/maxima/5.9.3/src/numerical/slatec/dqwgtf.lisp) in math/maxima-src ;; (/usr/share/maxima/5.9.3/share/contrib/gentran/gtfix.lisp) in math/maxima-share ;; (/usr/include/geant321/{gtfdim.inc|gtflag.inc}) in libdevel/libgeant321-2-dev ;; (/usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-k7/include/config/fb/i810/gtf.h) in devel/linux-headers-2.6.16-2-k7. |
| 02:57.32 | dondelelcaro | !+find bin/gtf |
| 02:57.34 | dpkg | Updating debian files... please wait. |
| 02:57.42 | zinx | it's not in unstable, even |
| 02:57.47 | dpkg | Debian Package/File/Desc Search of 'bin/gtf' returned no results. |
| 02:58.06 | Cyco | I didn't get any results in my search |
| 02:58.07 | zinx | someone should axe videogen and put gtf in its place |
| 02:58.24 | dondelelcaro | zinx: consider yourself volunteered |
| 02:58.42 | zinx | dondelelcaro: unfortunately (ha ha), i am not a debian developer |
| 02:58.48 | zinx | dondelelcaro: :D |
| 02:59.07 | dondelelcaro | zinx: that has nothing to do with this; you can package the software, get a sponsor, and have a DD upload it for you. |
| 02:59.26 | dondelelcaro | or at least, it isn't an excuse. |
| 02:59.33 | jetscreamer | TRY |
| 02:59.47 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i have no sponsor! |
| 02:59.56 | jetscreamer | or just give up and die |
| 03:00.00 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i'll find *some* excuse anyway ;) |
| 03:00.02 | jetscreamer | it's easier to die |
| 03:00.11 | dondelelcaro | zinx: uh... if you make a case for its utility and package it properly, I'll upload it for you. |
| 03:00.38 | zinx | dondelelcaro: too much work. you can upload razertool if you want though, but it has a stupid bug in the currently released version. |
| 03:00.57 | jetscreamer | you want him to upload a bug ridden package?anathema! |
| 03:01.09 | dondelelcaro | *shrug* |
| 03:01.10 | zinx | ;P |
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| 03:01.30 | dondelelcaro | it's not I need gtf... so someone who does is going to have to package it and ask someone who can upload to upload it. |
| 03:01.31 | zinx | i'm waiting on someone with a diamondback to either send it to me or send me the info i need on it :/ |
| 03:01.43 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i don't need it either :) |
| 03:01.47 | jetscreamer | the bicycle or the snake |
| 03:02.01 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 03:02.13 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i was just saying.. gtf's far superior to videogen |
| 03:02.23 | zinx | dondelelcaro: (which i also don't need) |
| 03:03.10 | oxez | Is there a meta-package in debian repos like gentoo's kde-start (don't remember the exact name), or ubuntu's kubuntu-desktop? |
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| 03:04.05 | dondelelcaro | zinx: new packages don't work that way; someone presumably thinks that videogen does what they need to do, and wants to keep maintaining it |
| 03:04.13 | zinx | dondelelcaro: i suppose |
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| 03:05.03 | zinx | dondelelcaro: but i wasn't really meaning to state anything about how the package process works :x |
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| 03:06.45 | dsl514 | hi one q/a how do i share a ppp0 connection with 1 crossover cable? |
| 03:07.13 | predder | I'm looking into hardware to purchase for a couple of beefy servers. Is there a decent compatibility oriented site/page that someone could point me towards? (Aside from google :p) |
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| 03:10.10 | dsl514 | predder in cdn http://www.oemexpress.com local store |
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| 03:13.09 | predder | dsl514, thanks but I'm looking for a website that lists compatibility for hardware with linux/debian. Not a place to purchase it from ;) |
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| 03:13.53 | dsl514 | predder sure just thought of the price |
| 03:14.35 | linux_user400354 | how can i install debian on a usb hard drive? when i run #fdisk -l my usb partitions and hard drive do not show. |
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| 03:17.51 | ice_1963 | man i like irssi :) |
| 03:21.26 | ice_1963 | #3 |
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| 03:24.23 | jnoon | hey guys ive been a freebsd user for a long time, but ive used ubuntu in the past which is debian based last time i checked..... i _really_ want to start doing everything on my servers with xen, but support for it pretty much sucks in freebsd and most others.... is debian basically the ideal distro for xen? |
| 03:24.42 | dondelelcaro | jnoon: it's a reasonable choice |
| 03:24.53 | Hydroxide | jnoon: I'm not going to compare to other distros, but debian definitely has good xen support |
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| 03:25.20 | dondelelcaro | we run it on Debian here on quite a few machines |
| 03:25.25 | kintaro0e | hi guys..whats the use of system.map and initrd /boot directory. when i try doing a manual kernel compilation..i doesnt need to use those to files..any advice? |
| 03:25.38 | dondelelcaro | kintaro0e: you don't need to repeat your question in both channels; |
| 03:25.46 | jnoon | Hydroxide, now if i ordered up a layeredtech dedicated server that says it comes with "Debian Stable", to the best of your knowledge would xen be on it ready to go? |
| 03:25.52 | Hydroxide | jnoon: I would expect, though, that most or all linux distributions would have better support for xen that freebsd, which doesn't use the linux kernel at all, and for which I'm not aware of a xen port anyway |
| 03:25.54 | kintaro0e | dondelelcaro: ops..sory.. |
| 03:26.12 | dondelelcaro | kintaro0e: in a manual compilation you don't need either. initrd is an initial rood device which is used to get the root filesystem mounted |
| 03:26.56 | Hydroxide | jnoon: no, it would require some setup, which would be nontrivial but perfectly doable with the right level of experience |
| 03:27.21 | kintaro0e | dondelelcaro: i dont get it..eheh.can you explain it more..if you dont mind? |
| 03:27.24 | kintaro0e | :) |
| 03:27.31 | Hydroxide | jnoon: it can certainly be done on debian stable, but it won't come ready out-of-the-box. a xen setup isn't really suitable to be a default general-purpose debian install, since it's rather specialized |
| 03:28.35 | dondelelcaro | Hydroxide: well, it can be done fairly trivially, as you just need the xen kernel and xen tools |
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| 03:32.01 | Hydroxide | jnoon: ok, listen to dondelelcaro, who has more direct experience than I with this. I will caution that 'fairly trivial' depends on your level of knowledge, but yeah, it's not too too hard. |
| 03:32.43 | dondelelcaro | yeah... I suppose you and I don't qualify as exactly "average" |
| 03:32.53 | jnoon | Hydroxide, i think ill just grab a cd and do a test install here |
| 03:33.45 | jnoon | IIRC i did it on ununtu (or it was already done), but it was a just changing which kernel is loaded or something |
| 03:33.56 | jnoon | best to do a run through on a local box though first |
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| 03:37.56 | linux2 | does anyone else here know how to fix issues with synaptics touchpads and acpi |
| 03:38.02 | linux2 | i seem to only have this problem in debian |
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| 03:38.28 | linux2 | i get a bunch of errors with psmouse.c |
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| 03:39.02 | linux2 | lost sync at byte 4 and lost sync at byte 1 and my mouse throws itself around the screen |
| 03:39.05 | linux2 | and clicks on stuff |
| 03:39.22 | linux2 | then i get a driver resynced at the end of it doing this |
| 03:39.24 | linux2 | in dmesg |
| 03:39.24 | jnoon | linux2, everytime ive put any linux on a laptop ive had to turn acpi off... maybe thats just me though. |
| 03:39.33 | MustangMatt | Hey guys, I just setup postfix for the first time on sarge and I didn't have any problems, but telneting to localhost 25 instantly closes the connection. Any ideas where I should begin troubleshooting? |
| 03:39.39 | linux2 | jnoon, well it works fine no problems in ubuntu |
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| 03:41.17 | jnoon | MustangMatt, ps auxww | grep post |
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| 03:42.12 | MustangMatt | jnoon: It's running |
| 03:42.19 | jnoon | MustangMatt, u should have some processes in there such as pickup, master, qmgr, maybe tlsmgr |
| 03:42.32 | jnoon | tail -f /var/log/maillog & |
| 03:43.01 | MustangMatt | I see master, pickup, qmgr and a few saslauthd |
| 03:43.06 | jnoon | postfix restart |
| 03:43.08 | MustangMatt | I don't have /var/log/maillog |
| 03:43.26 | MustangMatt | No difference after restart |
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| 03:43.41 | MustangMatt | Let me check where I'm logging errors to. |
| 03:43.45 | jnoon | MustangMatt, sorry... hmm maybe someone can help with where the log lives in deb... im a freebsd guy that just thought id help cause ive done a lot with postfix |
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| 03:44.40 | MustangMatt | jnoon: no problem. I'm not immediately seeing where postfix keeps it's log file. I was thinking it was /var/log/mail.err but that might be a qmail leftover. |
| 03:45.18 | MustangMatt | Hmmm... syslog has some info. |
| 03:45.25 | jnoon | MustangMatt, now qmail... theres a mail server... as much as i like postfix.... qmail is so rock solid |
| 03:45.30 | MustangMatt | Jul 27 22:44:59 localhost qmail: 1154058299.266529 tcpserver: warning: dropping connection, unable to run /usr/bin/rblsmtpd: file does not exist |
| 03:45.48 | MustangMatt | Why is qmail still bound to port 25 if it's removed from the system. |
| 03:45.54 | jnoon | oh |
| 03:46.00 | jnoon | ls /service |
| 03:46.07 | jnoon | anything in there? |
| 03:46.25 | MustangMatt | Must be a different file on debian. What is it supposed to contain? |
| 03:46.59 | jnoon | well service dir is the daemontools directory... which is how qmail is run |
| 03:47.10 | jnoon | ps auxww | grep supervise |
| 03:47.11 | jnoon | see anything |
| 03:47.13 | jnoon | ? |
| 03:47.21 | MustangMatt | Nope |
| 03:47.25 | jnoon | thats good |
| 03:47.30 | MustangMatt | However... |
| 03:47.38 | MustangMatt | grep qmail brings back some results. |
| 03:48.30 | jnoon | what did you do to stop qmail to begin with? im curious since you didnt have the /service directory... and no supervise is running |
| 03:49.04 | MustangMatt | Well I did aptitude remove qmail to remove it from the system. |
| 03:49.22 | MustangMatt | However I still have a control script : /etc/init.d/qmail |
| 03:49.36 | jnoon | oh... hmm thats probably why |
| 03:49.58 | jnoon | you dont happen to have a /etc/init.d/svscan do you? |
| 03:50.10 | MustangMatt | No. |
| 03:50.27 | MustangMatt | How much is too much to paste in here? 4 lines okay? |
| 03:50.32 | MustangMatt | I'm a bit rusty on my irc ettiquite |
| 03:50.35 | MustangMatt | (sp?) |
| 03:50.40 | jnoon | should be fine |
| 03:50.46 | MustangMatt | Here's what I do see running. |
| 03:50.46 | MustangMatt | qmaild 2049 0.0 0.0 1556 524 ? S 05:56 0:00 /usr/bin/tcpserver -R -u 64011 -g 65534 -x /etc/tcp.smtp.cdb 0 smtp /usr/bin/rblsmtpd -r list.dsbl.org -r relays.ordb.org -r bl.spamcop.net /usr/sbin/qmail-smtpd |
| 03:50.46 | MustangMatt | root 2050 0.0 0.0 1500 444 ? S 05:56 0:00 splogger qmail 2 |
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| 03:51.10 | jnoon | MustangMatt, yea.... problem is... how to stop it correctly |
| 03:51.45 | jnoon | if its run the way its run when done from a source install like djb says... killing it wont help itll come right back up |
| 03:51.56 | jnoon | but give it a try... kill -9 2049 |
| 03:52.07 | jnoon | kill -9 2050 |
| 03:52.29 | MustangMatt | It's dead for the moment |
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| 03:52.44 | jnoon | cool |
| 03:52.44 | MustangMatt | And postfix is responding |
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| 03:53.03 | jnoon | might want to reboot and make sure qmail isnt still set to start anywhere |
| 03:53.18 | MustangMatt | Let me see if I can find a startup script real quick |
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| 03:53.47 | MustangMatt | Don't see one. Here goes a reboot. |
| 03:54.05 | MustangMatt | So you like qmail better? I was previously using sendmail and this is a new server so I decided to try postfix. |
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| 03:54.46 | MustangMatt | Initially I was going to go with qmail but I found a howto on setting up postfix with a mysql backend and that sounded interesting to me as I'm fairly proficient with mysql. |
| 03:54.48 | jnoon | MustangMatt, i have nothing against postfix so far... im actually running it on my latest server... but ive had a flawless qmail for years now on one box |
| 03:55.50 | jnoon | MustangMatt, and if you look into the other tools that go along with qmail.. tcpserver, daemontools.... and you understand how everything works together.... you will feel really confident about what you are running trust me |
| 03:56.23 | jnoon | im not _as_ confident with my postfix/dovecot setup.... but im open to it |
| 03:56.24 | MustangMatt | Yah I've read a bit about them. Seems like for a larger scale production system it would be a stable environment. |
| 03:57.14 | dondelelcaro | save for the fact that it's djb-ware and has 8 billion configuration files and doesn't do anything like any other unix tool does... |
| 03:57.48 | jnoon | heh |
| 03:58.02 | MustangMatt | One of the selling points that made me choose postfix was the ease of configuration. Easy doesn't always = better though. |
| 03:58.22 | jnoon | plus in my opinion nothing for postfix/exim can compare to qmailadmin for qmail.... but thats a personal pref |
| 03:59.31 | dondelelcaro | could be... I've always prefered using text editors and manpages though, so admin tools never were a strong selling point for me |
| 03:59.40 | jnoon | MustangMatt, yea.. its not a bad config... ive actually got a whole cut and paste deployment for postfix/dovecot/mysql/amavisd on freebsd (which doesnt require cyrus-sasl2!)... i still may go back to qmail though |
| 04:00.18 | MustangMatt | Well I've got spamassassin running and next I was going to try some form of greylisting. |
| 04:00.19 | foo | Hm, I want to change dimensions of an image via CLI, what imagemagick app should I use? |
| 04:00.48 | jnoon | foo, i believe "convert" ... been a while though |
| 04:01.02 | foo | jnoon: ah, good memory :) Thanks |
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| 04:02.27 | MustangMatt | Looks like I'm good on flushing qmail after the reboot |
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| 04:06.10 | jnoon | cool... my netinst cd is ready ... time to test out deb for my future server needs |
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| 04:07.06 | MustangMatt | Here's a slightly OT question... Anyone have much success preparing a usb drive to boot a netinst image? |
| 04:07.27 | MustangMatt | I've tried a few different distros and it seems like i can get to the grub loader but that's about it. |
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| 04:11.25 | jnoon | whats the most common fs for use with deb? iirc reiser has its downsides? ext3? |
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| 04:11.40 | yzrider08 | here is my crontab, edited with crontab -e, 0 0 * * * /usr/local/scripts/backup.sh, the time is now 12:02, and at 12:00, nothing happened |
| 04:11.49 | CHodapp | they both work fine, jnoon... |
| 04:12.05 | yzrider08 | the time is now 12:12** |
| 04:12.28 | MustangMatt | jnoon: I believe ext3 |
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| 04:12.39 | MustangMatt | ext3 is default anyway |
| 04:12.57 | jnoon | cool |
| 04:13.14 | yzrider08 | here is my crontab, edited with crontab -e, 0 0 * * * /usr/local/scripts/backup.sh, the time is now 12:02, and at 12:00, nothing happened |
| 04:13.31 | jnoon | trying to avoid doing anything "uncommon" ....at least for a while :) |
| 04:13.53 | jnoon | yzrider08, whats in your crontab? |
| 04:14.02 | MustangMatt | jnoon: Is this your first time with debian? |
| 04:14.46 | MustangMatt | yzrider08: Do you have the correct permissions on the script? |
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| 04:15.22 | yzrider | sorry got disconnected |
| 04:15.27 | jnoon | MustangMatt, yea... ive been a freebsd advocate for years.... but im really into xen... i plan on never worrying about my server again when i need to upgrade or migrate things... xen fills the ticket... but no freebsd support :/ |
| 04:15.35 | ice_1963 | jnoon: what do you mean? |
| 04:15.38 | MustangMatt | yzrider: Do you have the correct permissions on your script? |
| 04:15.50 | yzrider | yes, yes i do |
| 04:15.52 | jnoon | ice_1963, by never worrying again? |
| 04:15.57 | yzrider | chmod 755 is correct right |
| 04:16.10 | ice_1963 | jnoon: ok |
| 04:16.13 | MustangMatt | yzrider08: That should work |
| 04:16.16 | yzrider08 | yeah |
| 04:16.19 | yzrider08 | its weird |
| 04:16.22 | yzrider08 | i run the script myself, works fine |
| 04:16.34 | yzrider08 | what date/time does cron use |
| 04:16.37 | yzrider08 | i was going by "date" |
| 04:17.09 | jnoon | ice_1963, is that the part of what i said that your were asking what i meant? |
| 04:17.39 | MustangMatt | That should work yz. Do you have any mail in the root mailbox about it? |
| 04:17.41 | ice_1963 | jnoon: yes it was |
| 04:17.58 | yzrider08 | nah |
| 04:18.02 | yzrider08 | dont have mail |
| 04:18.13 | yzrider08 | No mail for root |
| 04:18.13 | yzrider08 | :D |
| 04:18.32 | jnoon | ice_1963, mainly the ability to duplicate a disk image.... do whatever is needed.... if it doesnt go right, toss the disk image no big deal.... hot swap in a microsecond etc |
| 04:18.37 | yzrider08 | any other logs? |
| 04:18.37 | ice_1963 | jnoon: i'm setting up irssi for the first time :) |
| 04:18.46 | MustangMatt | Does your script spit out any output whatsoever when you manually run it? |
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| 04:18.53 | yzrider08 | yeah it does |
| 04:19.00 | yzrider08 | is that why |
| 04:19.12 | yzrider08 | do i have to redirect everything to /dev/null then? |
| 04:19.12 | MustangMatt | I believe if it spits out any output info or errors it should get sent to root |
| 04:19.24 | MustangMatt | No it shouldn't hurt having it output anything. |
| 04:19.25 | yzrider08 | ah where can i check the logs |
| 04:19.36 | MustangMatt | Maybe /var/log/syslog? |
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| 04:20.24 | yzrider08 | Jul 28 00:00:02 localhost /USR/SBIN/CRON[23487]: (root) CMD (/usr/local/scripts/ |
| 04:20.24 | yzrider08 | backup.sh) |
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| 04:20.37 | yzrider08 | so at 12:00:02, it looks like it ran it eh? |
| 04:20.55 | ice_1963 | jnoon: i used gnomebaker for along time ..but k3b is so good |
| 04:21.06 | MustangMatt | Looks like it |
| 04:21.10 | jnoon | ice_1963, i think we are talking about different things |
| 04:21.13 | yzrider08 | ok i dont see any output from my script... |
| 04:21.14 | yzrider08 | weird |
| 04:21.22 | MustangMatt | Right you won't see any |
| 04:21.30 | yzrider08 | ok.. |
| 04:21.36 | yzrider08 | does that mean it errored? |
| 04:21.39 | yzrider08 | or didnt error |
| 04:21.39 | MustangMatt | That output is either disgarded or sent to root's mail. |
| 04:21.41 | ice_1963 | jnoon: ok |
| 04:21.43 | yzrider08 | ah |
| 04:21.46 | MustangMatt | It doesn't mean either :) |
| 04:21.48 | yzrider08 | damn |
| 04:21.53 | jnoon | ice_1963, im talking about xen... a virtualization layer, sorry i was prob unclear |
| 04:21.56 | yzrider08 | so how can i ever tell? |
| 04:22.19 | Davidli | Hi, all! Do you tell me what to how to make the linux-image-2.6-k7 (386/686/486) .... |
| 04:22.23 | MustangMatt | Well normally it would send mail to root and you'd see success or errors. I'm not sure how you'd do other than make your script write to a logfile. |
| 04:22.38 | yzrider08 | oh ok |
| 04:22.41 | yzrider08 | i can try that |
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| 04:22.52 | yzrider08 | then i can just hack the date real quick |
| 04:22.56 | yzrider08 | and set it to like 23:59:59 ? |
| 04:22.58 | ice_1963 | jnoon: ok what is xen? |
| 04:23.21 | MustangMatt | sure or just set the crontab a bit forward |
| 04:23.36 | yzrider08 | ah ok |
| 04:24.01 | yzrider08 | tar cvf - /usr/local/apache2/htdocs/optimal /usr/local/apache2/htdocs/index.php |
| 04:24.01 | yzrider08 | | gzip > optimal_$filedate.tar.gz |
| 04:24.09 | yzrider08 | since thats piped, how do i redirect ENTIRE thing |
| 04:24.17 | jnoon | ice_1963, virtualization hypervisor.... along the lines of VMWare or Virtuozzo, but much much better |
| 04:25.10 | Davidli | Hi, all! Do you tell me what to how to make the linux-image-2.6-k7 (386/686/486) .... |
| 04:25.46 | MustangMatt | jnoon: So it's like a great big sandbox? |
| 04:25.55 | ice_1963 | jnoon: ok well i don't have a clue lol |
| 04:27.43 | ice_1963 | jnoon: are you running sid? |
| 04:28.41 | jnoon | MustangMatt, you can use it that way... but you can use it just as easily to minimalize downtime as much as possible |
| 04:28.47 | jnoon | ice_1963, what is sid? |
| 04:29.11 | MustangMatt | jnoon: sid = the unstable debian tree |
| 04:29.20 | jnoon | MustangMatt, imagine getting the perfect postfix configuration set up just the way you like it on a server that does NOTHING but postfix.... |
| 04:29.42 | MustangMatt | jnoon: Oooh I gotcha. That would be nice. How big of a performance hit to run everything like that? |
| 04:29.42 | ice_1963 | jnoon: you know sid etch sarge |
| 04:30.04 | jnoon | MustangMatt, then imagine being able to copy that server (as 1 file) to another machine... and instantly have the identical setup |
| 04:30.09 | MustangMatt | sid=unstable, etch=testing, sarge=stable I think |
| 04:30.16 | jnoon | im sargein it |
| 04:30.30 | ice_1963 | MustangMatt: that's it |
| 04:30.31 | MustangMatt | jnoon: Yah that's sweet. I'm guessing you need some horsepower to run that way though right? |
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| 04:32.25 | roxy_ | itchi: ping |
| 04:32.28 | jnoon | MustangMatt, well... a bit more.... i think min ram is 32MB per xen.... but if you had a gig... you could do 2 256's and the rest smaller... and have space to move things aound etc |
| 04:33.11 | yzrider08 | tar cvf - /var/lib/mysql | gzip > mysql_$filedate.tar.gz |
| 04:33.19 | yzrider08 | how do i redirect ALL OF THAT^^^ into a file |
| 04:33.27 | ice_1963 | well i need some help in sid pl... on xserver |
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| 04:34.39 | roxy_ | !ask |
| 04:34.40 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 04:34.48 | ice_1963 | i keep geting error my mouse in xserver-org in sid |
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| 04:35.13 | roxy_ | when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___ |
| 04:35.27 | yzrider08 | tar cvf - /var/lib/mysql | gzip > mysql_$filedate.tar.gz |
| 04:35.34 | yzrider08 | iwant to output stderr and stdout^^ |
| 04:35.36 | yzrider08 | how can i do that |
| 04:35.43 | yzrider08 | i want to write it into a file rather |
| 04:36.09 | MustangMatt | yz: just add another > filename.log on the end |
| 04:36.32 | yzrider08 | i tried that |
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| 04:36.37 | yzrider08 | it outputted the contents of gz |
| 04:36.40 | yzrider08 | which is NOT what i want |
| 04:37.17 | MustangMatt | What's that dash do? |
| 04:37.23 | jnoon | i wonder if you should do: sh "tar cvf - /var/lib/mysql | gzip > mysql_$filedate.tar.gz" > filename.log thats a complete guess |
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| 04:38.04 | roxy_ | yzrider08: you know mysqldump ? |
| 04:38.06 | MustangMatt | I think jnoon has it |
| 04:38.14 | ^punisher | hi |
| 04:38.21 | MustangMatt | But yah, on another topic, mysqldump is probably a better way to backup databases |
| 04:38.40 | MustangMatt | Maybe if you stop mysql first it wouldn't matter. Not sure on that though. |
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| 04:39.08 | jnoon | yea... def do it via mysqldump... your never supposed to try to copy the fs |
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| 04:42.20 | Davidli | i'm a Chinese, and my English is very ... I have a problem with how to get the linux-image-2.6-k7 ( or 486, 686 ... ) ? |
| 04:42.57 | yzrider08 | tar: Removing leading `/' from member names |
| 04:42.59 | yzrider08 | whats this mean |
| 04:43.03 | MustangMatt | davidli: aptitude install kernel-image-2.6.8-3-k7 |
| 04:43.14 | yzrider08 | tar zcvf mysql_$filedate.tar.gz /var/lib/mysql > log2.txt |
| 04:43.17 | yzrider08 | runningthat command |
| 04:43.30 | roxy_ | Davidli: apt-cache search linux-image | grep k7 |
| 04:43.54 | litage | do ``head'' or ``tail'' have an arg to allow you to show all but the first n lines? (rather than showing the first n, or last n, lines) |
| 04:44.07 | Davidli | no, I want to make it myself |
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| 04:44.39 | Davidli | I download a linux-source |
| 04:44.45 | MustangMatt | davidli: aptitude install kernel-source-2.6.8 |
| 04:44.59 | jnoon | yzrider08, that your files were prefixed with /...... you tarred the path in with it.... |
| 04:45.20 | predder | Recommendations for brands of scsi controllers to look at that I shouldnt have a problem with compatibility wise? 3ware don't do scsi and already seen adaptec so far.. |
| 04:45.29 | Davidli | compiling kernel? |
| 04:45.31 | jnoon | so you wouldnt tar zvxf file.gz /var/lib/mysql.... you would cd / && tar zvxf . |
| 04:45.34 | jnoon | but |
| 04:45.35 | MustangMatt | I'm not much of a kernel compiler. I'm sure there are some decent howtos on compiling. |
| 04:45.36 | jnoon | careful |
| 04:45.50 | jnoon | dont do that until your sure you want to overwrite |
| 04:46.16 | jnoon | cp -pR /var/lib/mysql /var/lib/mysqlbackup |
| 04:46.19 | jnoon | first |
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| 04:47.21 | jnoon | yzrider08, might have read what you said wrong... ignore if i did |
| 04:49.35 | Davidli | I want to use etch d-i to install ubuntu, but there is not linux-image-2.6-k7 in ubuntu's sources, so I just compiling it myself. |
| 04:49.44 | MustangMatt | Guys I have to hit the sack. I appreciate your help getting postfix running! Good luck with the cronjob and kernel compile. |
| 04:49.46 | roxy_ | yzrider08: mysqldump --opt --all-databases | bzip2 -c > log.txt |
| 04:50.00 | jnoon | see ya MustangMatt |
| 04:51.02 | roxy_ | Davidli: you should ask on #ubuntu . |
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| 04:52.35 | ice_1963 | mustangMatt:good night |
| 04:52.44 | giglf | can anyone suggest some good xml parsers or tools for debian? |
| 04:53.23 | sid | !test |
| 04:53.23 | dpkg | Sorry, sid, I didn't get your test. |
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| 04:53.28 | Davidli | so sorry , but I am analysis debian-installer, use custom kernel |
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| 04:54.42 | roxy_ | Davidli: /msg dpkg make-kpkg |
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| 04:55.00 | ice_1963 | sid: what is sid :) |
| 04:55.14 | Vasistha | Davidli: keep in mind, though, anything we tell you in here might not work at all, because we don't know how to compile kernels for ubuntu |
| 04:55.49 | Davidli | is linux-image-2.6-k7 not linux-image-2.6.15-1 |
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| 04:56.11 | iter | nope |
| 04:56.25 | iter | or it would be called linux-image-2.6-k7 |
| 04:57.29 | Davidli | oh , English |
| 04:57.36 | ice_1963 | k7 is for amd right? |
| 04:57.41 | Davidli | yes |
| 04:57.42 | iter | yep |
| 04:58.27 | Davidli | linux-image-2.6-k7, it's size only 25k |
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| 04:58.42 | ice_1963 | well i got one right |
| 04:58.43 | Davidli | 29k |
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| 05:00.54 | Davidli | when d-i install kernel, the linux-image-2.6 will search kernel-image |
| 05:01.59 | Davidli | debian etch only have 2.6.15-1 , no 2.6.16, so i want to compiling myself |
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| 05:02.23 | Davidli | but I don't know how to compiling it |
| 05:02.44 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 |
| 05:02.51 | stew | oops |
| 05:02.51 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.16-2-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.16-17 (sid), Packaged size: 15346 kB, Installed size: 44112 kB |
| 05:02.55 | stew | !info linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 etch |
| 05:03.05 | dpkg | linux-image-2.6.16-2-686: (Linux kernel 2.6.16 image on PPro/Celeron/PII/PIII/P4 machines), section base, is optional. Version: 2.6.16-17 (etch), Packaged size: 15346 kB, Installed size: 44112 kB |
| 05:03.10 | stew | Davidli: its in etch ^^^ |
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| 05:05.03 | Davidli | linux-image-2.6.16-2-686 in etch , but linux-image-2.6 for linux-image-2.6.16-2 not in etch |
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| 05:05.40 | stew | Davidli: what cpu do you have? |
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| 05:07.20 | Davidli | not install my computer, i making a custom debian cd |
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| 05:08.07 | stew | Davidli: then you want linux-image-2.6.16-2-486 |
| 05:08.21 | Davidli | I wish debian-installer auto install kernel |
| 05:08.24 | Davidli | yes |
| 05:08.32 | stew | Davidli: it does auto install a kernel |
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| 05:09.23 | iter | sssh davidli is a time vampire |
| 05:11.04 | Davidli | what's meaning "a time vampire" |
| 05:11.06 | Davidli | ? |
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| 05:13.11 | linux_user400354 | what is ngrep used for? |
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| 05:15.53 | NiCeBoY | hi stew |
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| 05:16.36 | linux_user400354 | i just deleted my /etc/apt/sources.list because i cant find ngrep in synaptic |
| 05:18.12 | NiCeBoY | stew can u see this for me plz http://208.98.55.114/phpsysinfo/ on the top you will see "System Information: server.domain.com.domain.com ..." |
| 05:18.20 | ice_1963 | hello stew |
| 05:18.23 | NiCeBoY | did you know where i should go to change the server.domain.com ? |
| 05:19.14 | stew | NiCeBoY: dunno, what does it say when you run "hostname" on the comand line? |
| 05:19.22 | stew | linux_user400354: huh? you did what? why? |
| 05:19.26 | linux2 | does anyone know why ksynaptics says i am using an outdated synaptics touchpad module |
| 05:19.30 | linux2 | i have 0.14.6 |
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| 05:19.33 | NiCeBoY | wait gonna check |
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| 05:20.44 | linux_user400354 | im trying to get a package ngrep in synaptic. its not working. i might install yum and alien and get it that way. |
| 05:21.04 | stew | linux_user400354: what version of debian are you running? |
| 05:21.08 | roxy_ | linux_user400354: you don't know what a program is used for so you deleted sources.list ? |
| 05:21.13 | NiCeBoY | stew yes its the hostname that i want to change .. |
| 05:21.20 | stew | NiCeBoY: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 05:21.26 | linux_user400354 | sarge |
| 05:21.27 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 05:21.27 | foo | foo@laptop:~/public/photos/unfiled/dad$ convert p1010043.jpg -resize -20% p1010043-2.jpg |
| 05:21.31 | foo | convert: Memory allocation failed `p1010043.jpg'. |
| 05:21.33 | stew | linux_user400354: run apt-setup |
| 05:21.35 | foo | weird, any ideas? |
| 05:21.59 | linux_user400354 | okay |
| 05:22.04 | NiCeBoY | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:23.22 | amphi | foo: huge jpeg? |
| 05:23.37 | jnoon | so heres what i dont get, maybe someone can make me understand.... i just did a fresh install of deb sarge 3.1 stable..... i saw the kernel said 2.4.something when i booted... i think 2.6.17.7 is stable.... but i have no idea if i can just go do something like that? |
| 05:23.43 | Vasistha | foo: what does identify p10(... whatever it was) tell you? |
| 05:23.43 | foo | amphi: 420K p1010043.jpg |
| 05:24.01 | foo | Vasistha: p1010043.jpg JPEG 1600x1200 DirectClass 413kb 0.320u 0:02 |
| 05:24.04 | stew | jnoon: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
| 05:24.09 | amphi | foo: not so huge ;) |
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| 05:24.44 | Vasistha | foo: how about top, how much free memory do you have? |
| 05:24.53 | stew | jnoon: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8 were the current kernels at the time that time that sarge was frozen (1.5 years ago) |
| 05:25.32 | foo | Vasistha: I tried on two systems, got the same error. Mem: 646604k total, 346764k used, 299840k free, 18788k buffers Mem: 646604k total, 346764k used, 299840k free, 18788k buffers |
| 05:25.40 | foo | Swap: 642560k total, 120k used, 642440k free, 137308k cached |
| 05:26.00 | Vasistha | foo: hmm. can you view the picture? |
| 05:26.08 | jnoon | holy crap its been frozen for 1.5 years? |
| 05:26.14 | linux2 | maybe |
| 05:26.16 | linux2 | just maybe |
| 05:26.25 | linux2 | it is an issue only with debian etch |
| 05:26.28 | linux2 | and stable might work |
| 05:26.30 | foo | Vasistha: yes. hmm, I am viewing it with gqview. I wonder if that's a problem |
| 05:26.32 | linux2 | worth a try? |
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| 05:26.56 | Vasistha | foo: it might be, gqview may be locking imagemagick out |
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| 05:28.49 | foo | ah |
| 05:29.16 | foo | Vasistha: I closed it. Same problem. hm |
| 05:29.33 | Vasistha | foo: lsof ? |
| 05:30.43 | foo | Vasistha: Nothing |
| 05:30.43 | foo | hm |
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| 05:33.11 | linux2 | why can't linux just work!!!! |
| 05:33.16 | linux2 | goddammit |
| 05:33.20 | linux2 | 3 days with no sleep |
| 05:33.22 | linux2 | and nothing at all |
| 05:33.27 | linux2 | cannot get it to work just right with debian |
| 05:33.59 | linux_manju | linux2: what is ur problem? |
| 05:34.13 | linux2 | linux_manju, well mainly my touchpad |
| 05:34.19 | streuner | !doesn't work |
| 05:34.20 | dpkg | Look buddy, doesn't work is an ambiguous statement. Does it sit on the couch all day? Does it want more money? Does it waste its time on IRC all day long? Please be specific! Define 'it' and what it isn't doing. |
| 05:34.23 | linux2 | linux_manju, it just randomly spazzes out |
| 05:34.38 | linux2 | with a bunch of random output in dmesg |
| 05:34.53 | linux2 | now ubuntu does not do this so it proves to me that it is possible to get it working |
| 05:35.01 | linux2 | but where it the problem coming from |
| 05:35.58 | linux_manju | linux2: I understand it doesnt work in Xwindows? |
| 05:36.10 | linux_manju | right? |
| 05:36.27 | linux2 | linux2, yeah |
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| 05:36.46 | linux2 | linux2, now this is with acpi on. i would like to use acpi so then i can tell battery status since i am on the go alot |
| 05:37.09 | linux_manju | linux2:> i Suggest check the ubuntu's Xorg.conf file and see the relevent.. lines for mouse |
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| 05:37.33 | linux2 | linux2, nothing was different |
| 05:37.45 | linux2 | linux_manju, that is my problem |
| 05:37.50 | linux2 | im not sure what is going on |
| 05:37.56 | foo | Vasistha: err, lame. I forgot I told convert to convert them -20% ... it should be 20%. My bad. |
| 05:38.24 | Vasistha | damn :-) at least you figured it out |
| 05:38.32 | foo | Vasistha: hah, lame. |
| 05:39.12 | Vasistha | linux2: I bet it's an xconfig issue |
| 05:39.32 | linux2 | Vasistha, that is causing the mouse to glitch with acpi? |
| 05:39.47 | linux2 | Vasistha, here is an example of the errors i am getting |
| 05:39.47 | Vasistha | linux2: my mouse used to spaz intermittently, but correcting the xconfig problem fixed it completely ... I don't use acpi |
| 05:39.54 | acc_ | Hi, #Debian. I've got an old 3.0rev1 "stable" CD lying around. Should I have any reservations about using this CD for a fresh installation (bringing my system up-to-date after the install of course), or would it be worth it for me to download 3.1rev2? Thanks. |
| 05:40.08 | linux_manju | linux2: I suggest .. copy the ubuntu xorg conf file to the current one and try to restart X |
| 05:40.09 | Vasistha | acc_: get 3.1r2 |
| 05:40.12 | simonrvn | acc_: nah, updating after you should be fine |
| 05:40.13 | linux_manju | see if that wrks |
| 05:40.34 | acc_ | hmm |
| 05:40.39 | Vasistha | acc_: the sarge installer is much better, and the dist-upgrade step can be a pain. |
| 05:40.41 | simonrvn | it'll be less to download i think |
| 05:41.06 | linux2 | linux_manju, ok hang on one sec while i do that |
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| 05:41.16 | Vasistha | simonrvn: you probably know better than I, but just to check, you *did* notice that that's a woody cd he's got, right? |
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| 05:45.20 | jnoon | anyone know if xen is best with the 2.4 kernel or 2.6 kernel? or if it doesnt matter cause it has its own? a bit confused on the big scheme of things |
| 05:45.40 | simonrvn | Vasistha: oh, i thought it was sarge |
| 05:45.50 | simonrvn | duh... 3.0 |
| 05:46.04 | Vasistha | acc_: yeah, you should definitely get a newer cd, I think we agree now :-) |
| 05:46.06 | simonrvn | acc_: yeh for sure get the sarge one |
| 05:46.24 | simonrvn | you'll be happier for it |
| 05:46.29 | linux_user400354 | how many packages are available with apt-get? |
| 05:46.32 | Vasistha | jnoon: I have no idea, but I would *guess* that you'd be better off with 2.6 |
| 05:46.42 | streuner | linux2: many |
| 05:46.43 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: oh, something like 7,000 or so |
| 05:46.49 | linux_user400354 | how can i check? |
| 05:46.51 | simonrvn | linux_user400354: depends... |
| 05:46.53 | streuner | linux2: many_user: ini unstable about 15.000 |
| 05:47.07 | streuner | s/ini/in/ |
| 05:47.09 | linux_manju | linux_user400354: apt-cache --list | wc -l |
| 05:47.12 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: do you want a precise count for some odd reason? |
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| 05:47.53 | acc_ | heh thanks Vasistha / simonrvn |
| 05:48.02 | linux_user400354 | someone told me there is not much software for linux so i wanted to tell him how much there is |
| 05:48.34 | simonrvn | :) |
| 05:48.55 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: ...those are only the packages that are maintained for debian, there are quite a number outside that |
| 05:49.15 | simonrvn | linux_user400354: depends. some kinds are more plentiful than others |
| 05:49.56 | simonrvn | so what *kind* of s/w your friend is talking about is a bit unclear |
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| 05:53.15 | linux2 | how long do you think it will take before you synaptic touchpad issue is resolved in the kernel? |
| 05:53.45 | linux_manju | linux2: did copying wrk? |
| 05:53.53 | linux2 | linux_manju, nope |
| 05:54.32 | linux_user400354 | linux_manju, --list is not an option for apt-cache. are you werent thinking of something else? |
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| 05:55.24 | simonrvn | dpkg -l | wc -l maybe; you'll want to trim the header bits off |
| 05:55.24 | dpkg | No packages found matching | wc -l maybe; you'll want to trim the header bits off |
| 05:55.45 | simonrvn | dpkg: really, well, welcome to my world |
| 05:55.49 | simonrvn | ;p |
| 05:56.59 | linux2 | THIS IS VERY FRUSTRATING |
| 05:57.06 | linux2 | my fucking mouse won't work |
| 05:57.08 | linux2 | what the hell |
| 05:57.10 | simonrvn | linux_user400354: your friend should maybe ask the question differently, such as the kind, like music, graphics, video, PIM stuff, etc. |
| 05:57.16 | linux2 | why only in debian |
| 05:57.17 | linux2 | why |
| 05:57.20 | Vasistha | linux2: you're not using an old compaq armada, are you? |
| 05:57.30 | simonrvn | because it stopped liking you ;p |
| 05:57.36 | linux2 | Vasistha, nope. brand new hp pavillion dv5000t |
| 05:57.42 | Vasistha | linux2: that's my computer, and it has a buggy synaptics touchpad |
| 05:57.43 | linux2 | core duo 2.0ghz |
| 05:57.46 | linux_user400354 | apt-cache stats |
| 05:57.49 | linux_user400354 | that works |
| 05:58.30 | Vasistha | linux2: err, the compaq ;-) hmmm... sarge or etch? Also, you may need to change the psmouse.proto in your grub/lilo kernel boot line |
| 05:58.40 | jnoon | im about to do this howto... Xen from Backports on Debian Sarge.... just wondering though if the reference to Backports means im going to end up with an outdated xen install? thats the only thing that looks alarming... just not sure exactly what backports means |
| 05:58.41 | simonrvn | cool |
| 05:59.17 | linux2 | Vasistha, humm continue about the psmouse.proto (its etch) |
| 05:59.20 | Vasistha | jnoon: "backports" means "bleeding edge software for sarge", as in, NOT old |
| 06:00.20 | linux2 | sarge won't install just so you know |
| 06:00.24 | linux2 | well net install won't |
| 06:00.46 | Vasistha | linux2: do you use grub or lilo? I only know grub, but probably for lilo it's very similar. In /boot/grub/menu.lst my kernel line includes "psmouse.proto=imps" ... you may want to compare debian's with ubuntu's |
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| 06:01.20 | jnoon | Vasistha, thanks for clearning that up... |
| 06:01.31 | Vasistha | linux2: since you're using etch that means you've got xorg (as opposed to the old xfree) so it should be more similar to the ubuntu config |
| 06:01.45 | Vasistha | jnoon: yeah, you're welcome |
| 06:01.57 | linux2 | Vasistha, humm thanks for the hint |
| 06:01.59 | linux2 | let me take a look |
| 06:03.01 | Vasistha | linux2: you did restart X after you changed the config, right? (and you did back up your old config, I hope?) |
| 06:03.21 | linux2 | Vasistha, yep |
| 06:03.52 | linux_user400354 | how can i get ngrep to only show packets from other computers on my network? |
| 06:04.23 | linux2 | Vasistha, o and i use grub, does your mouse work fine on your laptop? |
| 06:05.01 | Vasistha | linux2: yeah, but I've had a bitch of a time with it. It's a synaptics touchpad with a frickin' firmware bug in it, so it's always a pain in the ass to make it work |
| 06:06.06 | linux2 | Vasistha, that sucks |
| 06:06.12 | linux2 | i hope linux works with this laptop |
| 06:06.15 | linux2 | that is why i bought it |
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| 06:06.27 | linux_user400354 | what is 255.255.255.0 the ip of? |
| 06:07.06 | blame | its not IP, its the Subnet mask |
| 06:07.08 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: that is what is called a subnet MASK |
| 06:07.13 | j2^ | linux2: It is not an IP at all. |
| 06:07.35 | j2^ | ..damn tab completion :) |
| 06:08.37 | boote | j2^: damn LAZY users using LAZY nicks |
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| 06:09.51 | linux2 | Vasistha, i got an idea |
| 06:09.57 | linux2 | if the ubuntu kernel works |
| 06:10.00 | blame | does wget support some sort of acceleration. Splittint the connection like? |
| 06:10.10 | Vasistha | linux2: that's not necessarily a good idea... |
| 06:10.13 | linux2 | they why not compile the latest kernel using the ubuntu kernel config file |
| 06:10.44 | Vasistha | hrm, actually, that's kind of an interesting idea ... well, thing is, the bug might be in a module |
| 06:10.46 | linux2 | cause before i was compiling the latest kernel using the current debian config file which yielded the same resuls |
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| 06:11.04 | linux2 | Vasistha, well it is 2.6.15 |
| 06:11.08 | linux2 | so how about i compile that |
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| 06:11.32 | Vasistha | linux2: well, I simple have no idea if that'll solve your prob, but you can certainly try it. |
| 06:11.33 | linux2 | using ubutu kernel config file (plus one change |
| 06:11.36 | Vasistha | *simply |
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| 06:12.09 | Vendictium | Hey y'all, not starting a distro war, but I run Fedora Core, and like it, but my friend keeps telling me to use debian, is there any advantages it has over fedora besides package management? |
| 06:12.23 | Vendictium | and not using RPMs |
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| 06:13.16 | linux_user400354 | i used ngrep -v 192.168.1.100 and its still showing packets sent to and from my computer. how can i get ngrep to show all packets except the ones send to and from my computer? |
| 06:13.19 | Kevin` | Vendictium fedora has consistantly annoyed my by doing things in an instane way |
| 06:13.36 | Vasistha | Vendictium: depends what you're looking for. If you want to run a server, debian stable is wonderful, requiring little maintenance to keep secure, however the packages are a bit dated (e.g. KDE 3.3.2) |
| 06:13.38 | Kevin` | modifying system tools to change behavior, etc |
| 06:13.47 | linux2 | Vasistha, i will tell you how things work out |
| 06:13.47 | Joe3 | Hiya people im using etch, I installed the nvidia drivers but when it goes to use the drivers it says glx and nvidia cant be loaded coz they dont exist |
| 06:13.51 | linux2 | hopefully it will be good |
| 06:13.53 | Vendictium | I'm a home user. |
| 06:13.56 | boote | Vendictium: i think it supports a larger number of packages |
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| 06:14.03 | Vasistha | linux2: yeah, good luck! |
| 06:14.05 | boote | Vendictium: also, it is non-commercial |
| 06:14.18 | Vendictium | boote: Fedora is non-commerial |
| 06:14.25 | Vendictium | boote: Redhat just 'supports' it |
| 06:14.41 | Vendictium | It's community run |
| 06:14.42 | Vasistha | Vendictium: and hosts it, and has a large hand in creating and maintaining it |
| 06:14.58 | Joe3 | any idea on how to fix people? |
| 06:15.03 | PumpkinPie | anyone else notice fedora is slowly dying? |
| 06:15.15 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: ubuntu just screwed all others |
| 06:15.15 | boote | Vendictium: right, but don't you have that feeling that "redhat" is the "real" redhat, while fedora is just for the non-paying user? |
| 06:15.24 | Vendictium | Vasistha: They just went up 1000 on distrowatch :X |
| 06:15.27 | sanmarcos | PumpkinPie: thankfully |
| 06:15.47 | Vendictium | boote: True, but I can do anything with Fedora than any other distro, right? |
| 06:16.20 | boote | Vendictium: you mean you can do more with fedora than with any other distro? |
| 06:16.28 | PumpkinPie | redhat developers ditched the redhat project... redhat execs said "oh shit lets create fedora" to try to get them back.. all they really got back were shitty developers.. the good ones didn't come back |
| 06:16.29 | Vasistha | I will say, though, since I got settled into using debian, I just don't even visit distrowatch anymore. I don't *care* what's going on with other distros, I'm just so happy with this one :D |
| 06:16.41 | sanmarcos | is fstab-sync available for debian? |
| 06:16.43 | Vendictium | boote: no, just anything that others can do |
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| 06:16.51 | Vendictium | Aww, screw it, linux is linux, right? |
| 06:17.03 | boote | Vendictium: anyway, that feeling of being a "secon-class citizen" keeps me away from both redhat and suse (also mandrake) |
| 06:17.05 | sanmarcos | Vendictium: liux is the kernel |
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| 06:17.21 | Vasistha | Vendictium: well, and gnu is gnu... |
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| 06:18.02 | PumpkinPie | fedora developers are noobs |
| 06:18.21 | Vendictium | Pumpkinpie: Fedora is developed by the community.. |
| 06:18.32 | PumpkinPie | yes a noob community |
| 06:18.42 | keko_ | :D |
| 06:19.00 | Vendictium | What can you do with Deb that you cant do in fedora :P |
| 06:19.01 | PumpkinPie | thats the bottom line truth that affects the quality of fedora/redhat |
| 06:19.05 | boote | Vendictium: since debian doesn't have a commercial version, it doesn't have any interest to keep proprietary software away from its users, so one could use marillat with no restrictions (same is true for ubuntu). is there any such thing for fedora (i am asking, as i don't know)? |
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| 06:19.47 | Vendictium | boote: yes, linva |
| 06:19.59 | boote | Vendictium: that's nice |
| 06:20.04 | Joe3 | fedora is crap |
| 06:20.10 | Joe3 | I'd rather use ubuntu/debian any day |
| 06:20.33 | boote | Joe3: what makes it crap? |
| 06:20.43 | Vendictium | I like debian, but ubuntu is like fedora, it's run by mostly community, and has training wheels. |
| 06:20.53 | ice_1963 | redhat is crap |
| 06:20.59 | Vendictium | If you ahve a wrech, you can take the wheels off |
| 06:21.47 | Vendictium | I really cant see how an Ubuntu user can insult Fedora's morals.. |
| 06:21.53 | boote | Vendictium: so do you prefer ubuntu? |
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| 06:22.15 | Vendictium | boote: nope |
| 06:22.17 | PumpkinPie | Fedora having no morals is the problem |
| 06:22.19 | cast_ | so if etch is planned for release in dec does that mean its frozen? |
| 06:22.32 | Vendictium | boote: If I was going to run Debian, id run just that. Debian. |
| 06:22.35 | Vasistha | Vendictium: actually, this is exactly why such questions are strongly discouraged in #debian ... see, this is a support channel, and I've got two screens now of distro discussion |
| 06:22.36 | Joe3 | Well i'd rather use debian but I cant get nvidia working |
| 06:23.03 | Vendictium | copy the drivers from ubuntu? |
| 06:23.16 | Joe3 | Tried that lol |
| 06:23.30 | boote | Vendictium: why would you prefer debian? |
| 06:23.33 | Vendictium | Up/down grade kernel to ubuntu's version |
| 06:23.35 | Joe3 | No matter how I install it, it says glx and nvidia modules could not be loaded |
| 06:23.48 | cast_ | getting nvidia working is easy, just make sure the nvidia .sh knows where your kernel sources are |
| 06:23.56 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: you could always pipe your result through grep -v ... I'm not sure how well ngrep supports that stuff (partially because I don't even have ngrep) |
| 06:24.06 | Vendictium | boote: Debian is open source, I see no reason you wouldnt want to learn how to run it properly. |
| 06:25.25 | Joe3 | Any ideas how to fix the nvidia drivers then? |
| 06:25.38 | cast_ | Joe3: what's the problem. |
| 06:25.57 | Vendictium | Joe3: http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/Debian-nVidia/ |
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| 06:26.34 | clearance | Hey there |
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| 06:27.01 | clearance | I seem to be having issue getting glibc to be detected properly while installing several applications including gaim |
| 06:27.17 | cast_ | clearance: installing via apt? |
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| 06:27.52 | clearance | 'pkg-config --modversion glib-2.0' returned 2.9.6, but GLIB (2.10.3) was foundm then below, GLib 2.0 is required to build Gaim; please make sure you have the GLib development header installed |
| 06:28.01 | clearance | via any mode cast_ |
| 06:28.08 | clearance | svn, tarball, apt |
| 06:28.32 | clearance | i've uninstalled and reinstalled the glib and glib dev packages |
| 06:28.41 | clearance | ldconfig'd |
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| 06:28.55 | bronaugh | hey... I'm getting md5sum errors on updates. |
| 06:28.55 | clearance | http://paste.debian.net/9788 |
| 06:28.56 | KaOzx | somebody installed debian from usb pendrive? |
| 06:29.01 | bronaugh | so is a friend of mine. what's going on? |
| 06:29.22 | clearance | bronaugh: it's been haxored |
| 06:29.29 | clearance | be advised lol |
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| 06:29.43 | bronaugh | are you pulling my leg? |
| 06:30.07 | Joe3 | cast_: No matter how I install the nvidia drivers even if I use the official nvidia.com ones rather that apt, it still always says that nvidia and glx modules dont exist |
| 06:30.36 | Joe3 | *than |
| 06:30.47 | Joe3 | I'vev tried it like 100 times lol |
| 06:30.53 | Joe3 | *I've ffs, typos lol |
| 06:31.19 | clearance | pls help |
| 06:31.29 | Vasistha | bronaugh: uh, probably |
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| 06:32.30 | ice_1963 | nvidia work's for me.. |
| 06:32.55 | Joe3 | exactly what method did u use |
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| 06:33.21 | ice_1963 | one liner |
| 06:33.22 | vick | when i run xmms, and then play any song i get error 'please check your soundcard is configured properly, you are using correct output plugin, no other programs is block the soundcard' |
| 06:33.38 | Joe3 | one liner didnt work for me |
| 06:33.54 | Vasistha | vick: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 06:34.06 | clearance | *** The test program failed to compile or link. |
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| 06:34.36 | clearance | my config.log is here: |
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| 06:34.50 | clearance | http://paste.debian.net |
| 06:34.53 | Vasistha | bronaugh: more detail about the error might be helpful, why don't you paste it on a pastebin? |
| 06:34.54 | ice_1963 | Joe3: did you add contrib non-free to your sources list ? |
| 06:35.02 | Vasistha | clearance: nope, that's not your config.log |
| 06:35.11 | clearance | http://paste.debian.net/9791 |
| 06:35.18 | clearance | my name is on the site |
| 06:35.19 | clearance | :p |
| 06:35.24 | vick | Vasistha, Nevermind i just fixed it. |
| 06:35.30 | vick | Something else is very weird tho. |
| 06:35.36 | linux2 | Vasistha, looks like it might work |
| 06:35.40 | Joe3 | yes ice_1963 |
| 06:35.42 | vick | when i change xmms 'volume' scroll, nothing happens. |
| 06:35.43 | clearance | roarr i can't use silc if i can't fix this |
| 06:35.47 | linux2 | Vasistha, reason i say it is because the ubuntu kernel source is patched |
| 06:35.57 | linux2 | so possibly patched to fix my issue |
| 06:36.07 | vick | it's playing sound according to the setting i set in kmix only, independant of the level in xmms volume |
| 06:36.09 | vick | Why is that ? |
| 06:36.14 | Vasistha | linux2: yeah, that occurred to me as well |
| 06:36.20 | ice_1963 | Joe3: are you useing sarge? |
| 06:36.20 | bronaugh | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/unstable/non-free/source/Sources.bz2 MD5Sum mismatch |
| 06:36.24 | bronaugh | not much more than that. |
| 06:36.31 | linux2 | Vasistha, in the middle of compiling now |
| 06:36.34 | linux2 | with smp |
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| 06:36.45 | bronaugh | apparently http.us.debian.org is fine. |
| 06:36.51 | simonrvn | bronaugh: try updating again. if it doesn't go, then switch mirrors |
| 06:36.53 | ice_1963 | Joe3: or sid |
| 06:36.55 | Joe3 | ice_1963: Im using etch |
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| 06:37.12 | ice_1963 | that's it |
| 06:37.26 | bronaugh | simonrvn: ok, after each update 1 more file that didn't md5sum correctly got "fixed" |
| 06:37.29 | Joe3 | ? |
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| 06:38.09 | simonrvn | it might be in the middle of an update too, so it'll be off |
| 06:38.12 | linux_user400354 | which type of compression works best for big files(over 10 gigabytes) |
| 06:38.28 | simonrvn | depends on what kind of file |
| 06:38.35 | linux_user400354 | iso files |
| 06:38.44 | linux_user400354 | and movies and music |
| 06:38.49 | linux_user400354 | and pictures |
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| 06:39.05 | ice_1963 | Joe3: try installing nvidia in sarge first |
| 06:39.18 | Guerin | none of those will compress much |
| 06:39.29 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: thing is, most movies, music, and pictures, are already compressed really well |
| 06:39.30 | Guerin | it's probably a waste of time even trying |
| 06:39.48 | Joe3 | ice_1963: That just causes the box to hang when it goes to load and presents a black screen. I tried that months ago |
| 06:40.00 | linux_user400354 | yes, but files can be compressed more than once |
| 06:40.06 | linux_user400354 | thats what .tar.gz file is |
| 06:40.09 | Guerin | linux_user400354: not really. |
| 06:40.11 | linux_user400354 | or .tar.bz2 |
| 06:40.14 | Guerin | no |
| 06:40.17 | Guerin | tar is an archiver |
| 06:40.19 | simonrvn | binary files won't compress much if at all. they might even be bigger due to the file header |
| 06:40.22 | Guerin | gzip is a compressor |
| 06:40.25 | bronaugh | anyhow... tired. |
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| 06:40.56 | simonrvn | linux_user400354: you can do that all you want, it doesn't mean you actually gain anything. you might even lose out |
| 06:40.58 | linux_user400354 | i got one tar archive from 14 gb to 9.9 about 26% compression |
| 06:41.03 | Guerin | if the files are raw data (like tif, bitmap, pcm wave or raw video) they'll compress fine |
| 06:41.06 | linux_user400354 | im wondering what works best |
| 06:41.09 | simonrvn | i bet it was mostly text files |
| 06:41.21 | Guerin | but if it's mpeg video or audio or jpeg images, there's no point |
| 06:41.31 | simonrvn | it's already compressed ;) |
| 06:41.32 | clearance | text files get about 70% |
| 06:41.41 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: bz2 is higher compression but takes more processor time |
| 06:41.55 | clearance | that's why i have a high end cpu |
| 06:41.56 | linux_user400354 | im going to let it run over night |
| 06:42.03 | NiCeBoY | stew after modifying the hostname how do i activate it ? hould i reboot? |
| 06:42.03 | simonrvn | 7zip i hear is better han that even. i haven't tried it yet though |
| 06:42.10 | simonrvn | than* |
| 06:42.12 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: there are some other compression methods besides bz2 and gz ... but they're not very portable afaik |
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| 06:42.29 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: no. |
| 06:42.33 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: it just is. |
| 06:42.50 | NiCeBoY | but after modifying |
| 06:42.52 | NiCeBoY | i type hostname |
| 06:42.54 | NiCeBoY | it the same |
| 06:42.56 | NiCeBoY | it has not changed |
| 06:43.05 | Vasistha | simonrvn: I believe I read recently that 7zip is just a higher setting of gzip compression |
| 06:43.05 | linux_user400354 | is bz2 and gz portable to windows? |
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| 06:43.17 | simonrvn | NiCeBoY: also, not that rebooting in *nix is pretty much useless unless you have to, like a kernel upgrade or a hard lockup |
| 06:43.25 | simonrvn | Vasistha: aah ok |
| 06:43.26 | Vasistha | linux_user400354: uhm ... sure, there are plenty of windows tools that can read them, |
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| 06:43.38 | simonrvn | could be |
| 06:43.45 | freeone3000 | The binary nvidia drivers should have the 'nvidia' driver set in xorg.conf, correct? |
| 06:43.52 | Guerin | NiCeBoY: hostname newhostname |
| 06:43.58 | simonrvn | gzip default is at 5, which is balance between cpu work and compression |
| 06:43.59 | Vasistha | simonrvn: yeah, nothing innovative in there, it's just like an '11' setting where usually we get to compress between 1 and 10 |
| 06:44.03 | Guerin | or hostname -f /etc/hostname |
| 06:44.04 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 06:44.08 | simonrvn | ok |
| 06:44.09 | Joe3 | freeone3000: Yours saying glx and nvidia cant be found? |
| 06:44.13 | freeone3000 | (From teh site. The propriatary ones. Spare the lecture on Free software. I need OpenGL 2 more than I need freedom.) |
| 06:44.21 | vick | Does unzip do .rar files ? |
| 06:44.27 | Vasistha | vick: unrar |
| 06:44.28 | clearance | so nobody can help me? |
| 06:44.28 | freeone3000 | Joe3: It can be found. It's just that with the 'nvidia' rule set, it whitescreens. |
| 06:44.29 | Guerin | why should it?> |
| 06:44.30 | simonrvn | unrar does |
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| 06:44.41 | Guerin | rar is a proprietary archive, unzip isn't |
| 06:44.41 | vick | Vasistha, i tried apt-get install unrar, couldn't find it |
| 06:44.47 | Guerin | !unrar |
| 06:44.47 | dpkg | methinks unrar is a non-free package and a command used to extract .rar archives, or ask me about unrar-free |
| 06:44.54 | simonrvn | ^^ |
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| 06:45.19 | vick | thanks. |
| 06:45.34 | simonrvn | :) |
| 06:45.42 | clearance | cmon ppl |
| 06:45.42 | Vasistha | clearance: it's a little difficult to get a handle on your problem because it's spread out over so many lines. /msg dpkg enter |
| 06:45.47 | Guerin | !ppl |
| 06:45.48 | dpkg | I'd like to buy two vowels please. I'll have an E and an O. [If you mean people, it's not that hard to type.], or <Guerin> parts per litre? how many? |
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| 06:46.19 | aarm | What's the best way to see what the contents of a tape are? |
| 06:46.31 | freeone3000 | Ah. Good. I didn't mess up that part then. Whenever I try to start x with that driver set, it whitescreens. Cannot kill x, cannot switch to vterm, must restart computer. Any ideas on how to fix that? |
| 06:46.32 | konfuzed | hit the play button |
| 06:46.50 | Guerin | aarm: electron microscope |
| 06:46.56 | Vasistha | aarm: is it tarred? is the device all set up and working? |
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| 06:47.09 | aarm | vasista: yes it's tarred |
| 06:47.24 | konfuzed | tail /dev/xxxxx |
| 06:47.35 | konfuzed | tail -f /dev/xxxxx |
| 06:47.56 | Vasistha | aarm: tar --help | head tells me tar -tvf archive.tar # List all files in archive.tar verbosely |
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| 06:48.10 | Vasistha | aarm: of course you probably don't want -f you probably want some device flag |
| 06:48.25 | freeone3000 | Mmkay happy nvidia kernel compile time! (Even though I have it installed through apt. Ah well.) |
| 06:48.37 | linux_user400354 | does bzip2 work better than gzip -9 |
| 06:48.52 | simonrvn | try it |
| 06:48.56 | aarm | vasista konfused : thanks for the suggestions...I'll try both of those |
| 06:48.57 | linux_user400354 | the compression for gzip is 1 - 9 and 6 is the default |
| 06:49.09 | simonrvn | yeh, that's it |
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| 06:49.22 | freeone3000 | bunzips sounds like something you do to your feet... |
| 06:49.24 | konfuzed | aarm, well have you tried vi |
| 06:49.34 | konfuzed | ;^) |
| 06:49.43 | aarm | konfuzed: I have not |
| 06:49.54 | aarm | well that would take quite some time |
| 06:50.09 | konfuzed | all depends what you wanna do with it |
| 06:50.27 | NiCeBoY | Guerin did u know how to add colors on ssh ? |
| 06:50.29 | aarm | open a 20 gig tar file with vi might take a while |
| 06:50.44 | aarm | then what would the output be? |
| 06:51.03 | konfuzed | inodes ? |
| 06:51.35 | konfuzed | depends if you edit the contents or not |
| 06:51.58 | NiCeBoY | Anyone know how to add colors on ssh plz? |
| 06:51.59 | konfuzed | you could save it as any file name you like I suppose ;^) |
| 06:52.52 | aarm | well I guess you're right |
| 06:52.58 | konfuzed | NiCeBoY, prolly the .shell_rc file where you logged in |
| 06:53.11 | aarm | since we're on tar....:) |
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| 06:53.23 | konfuzed | aarm, likely tar is your simplest choice |
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| 06:53.36 | aarm | Is it possible to run a -m switch with bzip2 or gzip |
| 06:53.43 | NiCeBoY | konfuzed i type .shell_rc in root? |
| 06:53.45 | konfuzed | try |
| 06:53.46 | linux2 | yay my new hard drive came :-) |
| 06:54.03 | aarm | alas cannot |
| 06:54.09 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: where do you want to add colors? To your prompt? To ls? |
| 06:54.09 | clearance | stats linux2 ? |
| 06:54.21 | NiCeBoY | Vasistha to my propt |
| 06:54.27 | NiCeBoY | *prompt |
| 06:54.37 | linux2 | clearance, ahh just a replacement for my new laptop. the 120gb in it has some bad sectors so i figured i would replace it while it was under warranty |
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| 06:54.55 | clearance | heh |
| 06:54.56 | konfuzed | no doubt your client has colour support already turned on |
| 06:55.14 | clearance | 00GB Maxtor MaxLine III w/16MB Buffer, 110$ @ zipzoomfly |
| 06:55.18 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: just to check, ls --color gives you colors, right? |
| 06:55.18 | clearance | 300GB |
| 06:55.23 | aarm | thanks for the assistance konfused and vasista |
| 06:55.27 | NiCeBoY | wait |
| 06:55.29 | linux2 | clearance, laptop? |
| 06:55.40 | clearance | IDE |
| 06:55.40 | clearance | no |
| 06:55.52 | linux2 | yeah i figured |
| 06:55.53 | Vasistha | aarm: yeah, good luck... did you man tar I hope? |
| 06:55.54 | linux2 | i need laptop |
| 06:56.06 | aarm | for what question? |
| 06:56.16 | NiCeBoY | Vasistha am getting this "dbootstrap_settings install-report.template |
| 06:56.16 | NiCeBoY | " |
| 06:56.42 | konfuzed | NiCeBoY, was it in colour |
| 06:56.49 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: heh ... uhm ... ls /bin --color |
| 06:56.51 | NiCeBoY | no konfuzed |
| 06:56.59 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: is that colored? |
| 06:57.01 | aarm | HEP |
| 06:57.09 | linux_user400354 | i need a dual core Xeons for bzip2 -9 to compress 20 gigabytes |
| 06:57.12 | NiCeBoY | yes yes |
| 06:57.16 | NiCeBoY | greeen Vasistha |
| 06:57.17 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: or ls / --color |
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| 06:57.36 | NiCeBoY | Vasistha yes its colored |
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| 06:57.59 | konfuzed | NiCeBoY, so what is your colour problem |
| 06:58.01 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: yeah, I don't know what your pwd is but the two files there are not executable, or directories, or something else special that gets a color. Anyway, so yeah, that's good, we *have* color support |
| 06:58.29 | linux2 | humm dammit |
| 06:58.35 | linux2 | my hard drive has been hidden |
| 06:58.38 | konfuzed | hhuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm |
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| 06:58.42 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: http://wooledge.org/mywiki/BashFaq#faq37 |
| 06:58.42 | linux2 | apparently i got two boxes |
| 06:58.43 | kanhaiya_kk | hi all |
| 06:58.46 | Wazm | Hello |
| 06:58.49 | ^punisher | yo |
| 06:58.49 | kanhaiya_kk | i have a question. |
| 06:58.50 | linux2 | and my parents are now hiding the second one |
| 06:58.52 | cyberfr0g | Hi |
| 06:58.59 | NiCeBoY | Vasistha lokke "nice(2):~$ls /bin --color" |
| 06:59.02 | konfuzed | kanhaiya_kk, where |
| 06:59.06 | NiCeBoY | i want nice to le colored all the time |
| 06:59.11 | clearance | config.status: error: cannot find input file: po/Makefile.in.in |
| 06:59.11 | NiCeBoY | is thie possible Vasistha |
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| 06:59.19 | kanhaiya_kk | while accessing php page itr isd givng me error PHP MySQL support not enabled |
| 06:59.21 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: what are you asking?? |
| 06:59.28 | cyberfr0g | confidential |
| 06:59.31 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: did you follow that link I gave you? |
| 06:59.36 | kanhaiya_kk | when i googled it is given to configure php with mysql |
| 07:00.00 | kanhaiya_kk | but i installed the php and mysql using apt-get. |
| 07:00.18 | clearance | Vasistha: this seems simpler, would you please assist? |
| 07:00.27 | NiCeBoY | am checking it Vasistha |
| 07:00.34 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: you probably need the package, php4-mysql |
| 07:00.35 | kanhaiya_kk | konfuzed, ping |
| 07:00.41 | konfuzed | kanhaiya_kk, you have to make sure that your apache has both enabled |
| 07:00.45 | kanhaiya_kk | yeah ii installed that |
| 07:00.58 | kanhaiya_kk | how should i check ? |
| 07:01.12 | konfuzed | kanhaiya_kk, ? pnig ? |
| 07:01.19 | konfuzed | kanhaiya_kk, ? ping ? |
| 07:01.23 | Vasistha | clearance: did you do /msg dpkg enter |
| 07:01.25 | kanhaiya_kk | sorry |
| 07:01.41 | clearance | yes |
| 07:01.46 | clearance | what now |
| 07:02.16 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, i have to give this command ? |
| 07:02.20 | Vasistha | clearance: it'd be a *lot* easier to help you if you could articulate your question and your paste on one or two lines, so I don't have to scroll back over five screens in order to try to read your question |
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| 07:02.55 | clearance | Vasistha: its one line, config.status: error: cannot find input file: po/Makefile.in.in, while attempting to compile gaim with autogen |
| 07:03.00 | clearance | configure* |
| 07:03.20 | Guerin | clearance: you should also give us a direct link to config.log |
| 07:03.23 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, what should i do ? |
| 07:03.32 | clearance | comin up |
| 07:03.55 | clearance | its simple |
| 07:04.03 | Vasistha | NiCeBoY: also read Faq #53 on that same page, it will give you hopefully all you need to know in order to get your PS1 assigned |
| 07:04.05 | clearance | it's merely that Makefile.in.in doesn't exist |
| 07:04.32 | clearance | seems to be an error in the script, a simple rename should help but where do i append |
| 07:04.55 | thyko | postfix is receiving mail just fine, but its no writting the e-mails to the mail directory |
| 07:05.05 | Guerin | thyko: #postfix |
| 07:05.17 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, ping |
| 07:05.20 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: erm, hmm. you can log into mysql from the command line, right? |
| 07:05.22 | thyko | Guerin: no one has replied in 10 minutes |
| 07:05.28 | thyko | virtual_mailbox_base = /var/spool/mail/virtual |
| 07:05.29 | kanhaiya_kk | yeah |
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| 07:05.40 | Vasistha | thyko: 10 minutes isn't that long ;-) |
| 07:06.11 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, yeah |
| 07:06.16 | clearance | it is really |
| 07:06.17 | Vasistha | thyko: when I have a question for a low-traffic channel, I just put it in and maybe I'll find an answer there in a few hours |
| 07:06.28 | clearance | hours!! |
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| 07:06.31 | Guerin | thyko: gutted |
| 07:06.39 | clearance | you people are so not familiar with adhd |
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| 07:06.44 | Guerin | yes, hours |
| 07:06.46 | Vasistha | clearance: "low-traffic channel" |
| 07:06.50 | Guerin | it's midnight somewhere |
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| 07:06.54 | konfuzed | kanhaiya_kk, did you confirm that apache has the php+mysql turned on for that domain or ip |
| 07:07.14 | Guerin | clearance: maybe adhd people need to realise the rest of the world has lives which don't revolve around them |
| 07:07.23 | kanhaiya_kk | konfuzed, where exactly? |
| 07:07.24 | clearance | maybe |
| 07:07.25 | konfuzed | clearance, you should try cacao beans |
| 07:07.29 | kanhaiya_kk | in httpd.conf |
| 07:07.30 | kanhaiya_kk | ? |
| 07:07.33 | clearance | or maybe they need some riddlin |
| 07:07.35 | Vasistha | konfuzed: dude, don't tell him that :D |
| 07:07.40 | konfuzed | for starters |
| 07:07.59 | Vasistha | clearance: I was going to suggest a hike in the mountains, and learning how to meditate....... |
| 07:08.04 | clearance | actually coca brings me down |
| 07:08.07 | Vasistha | clearance: and no more tv, ever |
| 07:08.12 | konfuzed | Vasistha, k so what is the source of that problem |
| 07:08.21 | clearance | i'm quite well with meditation and i've not watched tv in years |
| 07:08.27 | konfuzed | clearance, see its good for ya |
| 07:08.27 | Guerin | my mate just goes and plays civ4 when he starts to freak |
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| 07:08.40 | clearance | not in a good way konfuzed |
| 07:08.43 | clearance | coffee is better |
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| 07:08.44 | Vasistha | konfuzed: adhd? I think tv contributes substantailly :-) |
| 07:08.52 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, konfuzed what should i do ? |
| 07:09.40 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: I'm trying to remember what I did last time I set those things up ..... last time I set it up, it was *so* *easy* ... are you on sarge? |
| 07:10.02 | kanhaiya_kk | nope |
| 07:10.07 | kanhaiya_kk | im on knoppix 4 |
| 07:10.19 | konfuzed | Vasistha, i thought you meant the apache php+mysql |
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| 07:10.51 | konfuzed | clearance, whole cacao beans will defintely help adhd in a biologically positive friendly way |
| 07:10.58 | Vasistha | konfuzed: oh, I meant ... don't tell clearance to get cacao beans XD |
| 07:11.22 | Vasistha | you think? yeah, I suppose whole foods are often pretty healthy |
| 07:11.23 | konfuzed | clearance, you may not appreciate the diffference in buzz |
| 07:11.37 | konfuzed | however I know something about brain chemistry |
| 07:11.50 | ktwilight | what's the command to list hdd again? |
| 07:11.51 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: ahh, that is your problem ... you are not using debian, yet you are asking #debian about your problem |
| 07:11.52 | konfuzed | and cacao beans are loaded with super positive brain chemistry |
| 07:12.00 | clearance | food influences mood and will |
| 07:12.00 | konfuzed | not stimulants but positive chemistry |
| 07:12.04 | clearance | <3 big meals |
| 07:12.47 | Vasistha | !tell kanhaiya_kk about based on debian |
| 07:13.22 | konfuzed | clearance, does your body complain about low cocoa 'labelled as chocolate' candy bars ? |
| 07:13.33 | Vasistha | damn it, someone deleted dpkg's based on debian factoid |
| 07:13.45 | clearance | huh? |
| 07:14.01 | clearance | i avoid sources of sugar like that |
| 07:14.09 | clearance | i used to be exceptionally hyper |
| 07:14.26 | *** join/#debian saillinux (i=saillinu@222-153-246-85.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) |
| 07:14.28 | clearance | most likely a contributing factor to my accelerated info absorption, adhd may be a gift |
| 07:14.39 | konfuzed | clearance, oh well what about high quality dark chocolate |
| 07:14.47 | clearance | at times i wonder if it implicates my IQ of 136 |
| 07:14.55 | ice_1963 | win#3 |
| 07:15.02 | clearance | i don't remember, i've had some recently |
| 07:15.04 | konfuzed | your IQ is delusional |
| 07:15.08 | Guerin | iq tests are faulty for adhd people |
| 07:15.12 | konfuzed | no offense |
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| 07:15.19 | Vasistha | !based on debian is <reply> You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:15.20 | dpkg | okay, Vasistha |
| 07:15.22 | Guerin | they tend to yeild very wide-ranging results over multiple tests |
| 07:15.24 | clearance | nah konfuzed |
| 07:15.29 | Vasistha | !based on debian |
| 07:15.29 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 07:15.36 | konfuzed | i studied some learning factors in macaque monkey brains and IQ was part of that |
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| 07:15.43 | clearance | Guerin: i'm 97 percentile since elementary |
| 07:15.56 | konfuzed | IQ measurements themselves are delusional |
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| 07:16.00 | clearance | i'm also 17 and know a substanial amount of assembler |
| 07:16.04 | clearance | i agree |
| 07:16.15 | Guerin | i have an adhd friend who ranges between about 90 and 120 depending on how his day's going |
| 07:16.16 | Vasistha | clearance: is that 97 percentile in ego? |
| 07:16.18 | Guerin | and he's not even ve |
| 07:16.26 | Guerin | ry severe adhd - has a good job, no major behavioral issues or drug problems, etc. |
| 07:16.34 | Guerin | !beer Vasistha |
| 07:16.35 | clearance | Vasistha: it's not a contest, i'm quite a modest person |
| 07:16.43 | clearance | i thought it was pertinent to the conversation |
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| 07:17.06 | clearance | although i won't claim i am free of all arrogance ^^ |
| 07:17.10 | konfuzed | delusions are never relevent |
| 07:17.18 | Vasistha | clearance: didn't really mean any offense, that's why I *hid* afterwards :-) |
| 07:17.20 | konfuzed | unless of course its a peyote party |
| 07:17.47 | clearance | i've yet to try mescalin |
| 07:18.14 | konfuzed | cacao beans actually increase your learning factors and focus and memory factors |
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| 07:18.44 | konfuzed | would you like to try some of my brownies ;^) |
| 07:18.58 | clearance | i'm an avid research chemical psychonaut, admitting myself as a labrat for thought enhancing whatevers |
| 07:19.07 | konfuzed | mostly organic |
| 07:19.08 | clearance | that means i drink cough syrup |
| 07:19.16 | clearance | yes pls, 2 |
| 07:19.26 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, knoppix is based on debian dear |
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| 07:19.30 | clearance | why are we talking about this in #debian |
| 07:19.36 | konfuzed | Kamping_Kaiser, careful |
| 07:19.44 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: yes. That is why I have referred you to the based on debian factoid. |
| 07:19.53 | konfuzed | ah kanhaiya_kk careful |
| 07:20.20 | kanhaiya_kk | Vasistha, konfuzed how should i solve this problem ? |
| 07:20.27 | konfuzed | clearance, cause cocoa is funny and yummy |
| 07:20.41 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: they have a similar package system, but different _packages_ and different _configuration_ ... so how can we possibly help you configure your packages, that are different packages with different configurations? |
| 07:20.55 | clearance | er |
| 07:20.59 | clearance | just like linux?? |
| 07:21.01 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: better ask in #knoppix |
| 07:21.24 | Vasistha | kanhaiya_kk: ...or you could always /msg dpkg d-i ;-) |
| 07:21.25 | konfuzed | kanhaiya_kk, or ask in #apache |
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| 07:22.19 | clearance | !google inurl:catb asking questions |
| 07:22.30 | butch | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:22.41 | butch | Hmpf. Sorry. |
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| 07:24.35 | Vasistha | clearance: you ever get help with your compilation problem? I don't ever compile anything, so I'm not really fit to help |
| 07:24.46 | konfuzed | clearance, really adhd is not really as described by the pharmacuetical companies though but if any body does have such related issues then real cacao is active medicine for such issues |
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| 07:25.04 | clearance | i've overcome it |
| 07:25.08 | clearance | it's just a part of me now |
| 07:25.27 | vick | Hello, I have this laptop, and i have this lower volume / increase volume on it that works with windows, is there a way i can make that work with linux as well ? |
| 07:25.33 | clearance | no Vasistha |
| 07:25.53 | Vasistha | vick: it doesn't work with linux, huh? mine does by default :P |
| 07:26.23 | vick | Vasistha, Doesn't :( |
| 07:27.18 | Vasistha | !laptop |
| 07:27.18 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org/ and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 07:27.32 | waiting | vick: what lap top is it? |
| 07:27.36 | Vasistha | vick: check those links for your specific laptop model, and look around for the volume stuff |
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| 07:27.49 | vick | HP Pavilion zv6000 |
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| 07:29.19 | waiting | vick: it may be a little tricky to get hotkeys to work |
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| 07:29.43 | waiting | there are many different brands |
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| 07:30.34 | im_fine_u | ok, I want to install Debian, but its says one of these is required: Intel x86, Alpha, SPARC and Motorola 680x0, but I dont know what they are, can I still run Debian? |
| 07:30.58 | ice_1963 | x86 |
| 07:30.58 | waiting | im_fine_u: it's types of processors for comput0rs : ) |
| 07:31.15 | im_fine_u | I have Intel Celeron, is that ok? |
| 07:31.21 | waiting | yes :D |
| 07:31.27 | clearance | NO |
| 07:31.31 | clearance | IT'S NOT OKAY |
| 07:31.36 | im_fine_u | why not? |
| 07:31.36 | clearance | go back to the store, get a refund |
| 07:31.36 | waiting | :( |
| 07:31.41 | waiting | ahaha |
| 07:31.42 | clearance | and buy a real processo |
| 07:31.53 | clearance | o.o |
| 07:31.53 | im_fine_u | I'm running off a dell Notebook |
| 07:31.57 | waiting | ;D I have two celerons and they perform successfully |
| 07:32.04 | clearance | blah |
| 07:32.17 | Guerin | celerons are fine |
| 07:32.17 | waiting | no errors when adding numbers so far ;) |
| 07:32.35 | clearance | *** No rule to make target `@ALL_LINGUAS@.gmo', needed by `all-yes'. Stop. |
| 07:32.41 | Guerin | you don't need anything more than a cel300 for most tasks |
| 07:32.42 | vick | I am thinking about installing debian on the machine itself not on vmware |
| 07:32.42 | vick | heh. |
| 07:32.51 | ice_1963 | amd all the why :) |
| 07:32.52 | vick | vmware is cool tho, it makes me split hd :( |
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| 07:33.18 | vick | :( |
| 07:33.33 | vick | What's a good space for debian on a laptop ? |
| 07:33.37 | vick | 20GB sounds fine ? |
| 07:33.39 | Vasistha | clearance: your "no" answers are really, really not helpful, dude. |
| 07:33.43 | Wazm | interest |
| 07:33.44 | ^punisher | Hello |
| 07:33.44 | cyberfr0g | hi |
| 07:33.45 | Guerin | a table |
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| 07:33.58 | Guerin | 5G is more than you'll ever need for debian |
| 07:34.17 | Vasistha | clearance: I've seen people get kicked/banned from this channel for giving counterproductive non-support |
| 07:34.31 | clearance | me too |
| 07:34.35 | Guerin | unless you count all the pr0n and w4r3z you download |
| 07:34.36 | clearance | it's a small world |
| 07:34.57 | vick | i have been using debian for like a week |
| 07:35.00 | clearance | moving on |
| 07:35.03 | azeem | clearance: please make an effort not to confuse users |
| 07:35.14 | clearance | ok |
| 07:35.20 | vick | i am using 4.8GB |
| 07:35.22 | vick | heh. |
| 07:35.26 | simonrvn | vick: plenty |
| 07:35.28 | im_fine_u | Anyone use Partition Magic? |
| 07:35.33 | simonrvn | no |
| 07:35.50 | clearance | as for the QoS in here, still no help |
| 07:35.50 | Vasistha | vick: I'd give debian 5 GB. If you ever have to split off /usr or /usr/src or /home or whatever you can always do that in the future |
| 07:35.50 | vick | Not to mention i didn't install except base and only my needs |
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| 07:35.56 | Vasistha | im_fine_u: why would you use that instead of parted or cfdisk? |
| 07:36.02 | cyberfr0g | you tell me |
| 07:36.10 | im_fine_u | cuz I dont run linux at teh moment |
| 07:36.13 | ice_1963 | i'm useing 80GB |
| 07:36.15 | vick | Vasistha, You mean 5GB for / and then if i need more space i'd like create something for a mountpoint ? |
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| 07:36.34 | BanBot | Hello there, BanBot |
| 07:36.35 | azeem | im_fine_u: this channel is for Debian GNU/Linux support, please ask about other operating systems/application elsewhere |
| 07:36.36 | BanBot | Hello there! |
| 07:36.45 | waiting | BanBot: :O |
| 07:36.46 | BanBot | BanBot can! |
| 07:36.54 | azeem | BanBot: are you a bot |
| 07:36.55 | BanBot | BanBot can! |
| 07:36.59 | BanBot | No. |
| 07:37.00 | simonrvn | BanBot: dumbass |
| 07:37.01 | BanBot | BanBot can! |
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| 07:37.04 | *** mode/#debian [+b *!*@adsl-67-65-250-37.dsl.okcyok.swbell.net] by azeem |
| 07:37.04 | *** kick/#debian [BanBot!n=mbanck@host45.natpool.mwn.de] by azeem (you should know better) |
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| 07:37.22 | clearance | PWND |
| 07:37.24 | Vasistha | vick: sure |
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| 07:38.06 | simonrvn | can what? get canned? ;) |
| 07:39.51 | Vasistha | im_fine_u: well, the debian install cd has some partitioning tools on it, not sure if they will suit your needs, but we can't really help you with partition magic ... although we could probably tell you if any linux tools would be appropriate for your partitioning task |
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| 07:41.46 | Vasistha | im_fine_u: does your computer already have windows on it, and do you want to be able to dual-boot windows and debian? |
| 07:41.59 | konfuzed | i was busy there but just want to say go exchange your celerons for amd - come on man |
| 07:42.32 | Vasistha | it can be difficult if it's a laptop, and if it wasn't purchased new... |
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| 07:46.26 | vick | grr |
| 07:46.29 | vick | this sucks |
| 07:46.32 | simonrvn | my MTA has a full metal jacket |
| 07:46.36 | vick | cant set that volume thing |
| 07:46.40 | simonrvn | (tm) |
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| 07:46.54 | vick | maybe i should just wait on vmware or something |
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| 07:47.22 | vick | I have debian on vmware, i want my debian on the real machine to be exactly like it. |
| 07:47.26 | vick | is there a shortcut or something ? |
| 07:47.34 | vick | or do i have to install and tweak everything again ? :( |
| 07:47.40 | WillsDill | on an ftp server on the internet, I come to the folder containing the Debian fit for my processor, but there are many numbered ISOs, does it matter which I choose? |
| 07:47.47 | konfuzed | just because it might not be relevant here at 3:48 in the morning, check this out http://www.uspressnews.com/articles/1104 |
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| 07:48.09 | simonrvn | #1 is fine |
| 07:48.17 | petemc | its 08:48 here |
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| 07:48.23 | simonrvn | or the netinst is an option too |
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| 07:48.35 | WillsDill | i dont like the idea of the netinst |
| 07:48.40 | WillsDill | I'll stick to the images |
| 07:48.41 | konfuzed | petemc, time for you to go back to sleep |
| 07:48.47 | simonrvn | so don't get it then :) |
| 07:48.53 | petemc | gonna have a smoke first |
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| 07:49.12 | clearance | props to konfuzed |
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| 07:51.00 | konfuzed | clearance, dont tell anyone but I can get you 25 different kinds of cacao beans from mexico alone |
| 07:51.06 | Vasistha | vick: well... you could install debian on the hdd and copy over /etc /home |
| 07:51.14 | konfuzed | i got a source from peru too |
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| 07:51.45 | Vasistha | konfuzed: you just said that in a public channel :-) uhm, can you get them truly raw? |
| 07:51.52 | konfuzed | yes |
| 07:52.17 | konfuzed | non fermented or fermented , roasted or not roasted |
| 07:52.40 | Vasistha | konfuzed: are any of your sources or information available on the web, or would I have to PM you to get specifics about any of them? |
| 07:52.46 | konfuzed | my jaw dropped on tues day when I saw a genuine white cacao bean |
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| 07:53.23 | konfuzed | here is the one with beans from peru http://nujima.com |
| 07:54.11 | konfuzed | raw organic |
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| 07:54.11 | simonrvn | our southern cousins developed a lot of neat food plants... thousands of kinds of beans, corn (maize), squash, tobacco, ... |
| 07:54.12 | simonrvn | oooh |
| 07:54.26 | Vasistha | konfuzed: hmm, those look like roasted nibs |
| 07:54.30 | clearance | what are the white ones |
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| 07:54.40 | konfuzed | the cacao pretty much tops the list of amazing foods world wide though |
| 07:54.50 | clearance | whats so amazing about it |
| 07:54.51 | Vasistha | konfuzed: I may even have seen that brand before... but this is a topic for a social channel :-) |
| 07:54.51 | konfuzed | clearance, albine cacao beans |
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| 07:55.10 | konfuzed | grown some where around Auxacca I believe |
| 07:55.16 | konfuzed | but i cant spell s[panish worth shit |
| 07:55.31 | simonrvn | oaxaca? |
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| 07:55.48 | lehel | hello |
| 07:56.11 | konfuzed | Vasistha, he's got nibs and whole beans, the whole bean picture mught no tbe there but I just put them in my brownies tonight |
| 07:56.43 | linux2 | Vasistha, it does work |
| 07:56.51 | linux2 | the ubuntu kernel has a fix for that acpi problem |
| 07:57.22 | konfuzed | clearance, well literally many medicinal purposes but super loaded with high octane brain chemistry |
| 07:57.29 | linux2 | the people who write the kernel should be informed |
| 07:57.48 | konfuzed | it came up because of the adhd learning factors stuff from before |
| 07:58.28 | Vasistha | linux2: nice job!! |
| 07:58.54 | linux2 | Vasistha, only issue is i wish that it would work with the debian kernel cause the ubuntu kernel is bloated |
| 07:58.58 | linux2 | but it wil do for now |
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| 07:59.04 | linux2 | untill the issue is fixed in other distros |
| 07:59.41 | Vasistha | linux2: it's often a crapshoot with newer hardware :P |
| 08:00.01 | konfuzed | cacao will literally keep your brain matter functoin past your 100th birthday. unless something else intervenes of course |
| 08:00.19 | clearance | hmm |
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| 08:00.25 | clearance | what i've been looking for |
| 08:00.25 | PumpkinPie | Ann Coulter needs to stop selling books and start doing cheap/free internet porn |
| 08:00.39 | clearance | now for something to reverse those years of pot |
| 08:00.39 | grummund | hi all, i have a small problem with setting the contents of /etc/resolv.conf to fixed nameserver and search list, whilst still being able to use dhcp... Best solution so far is to install resolvconf and set dns-nameservers in /etc/network/interfaces, but when the interface is brought up it still gets the dhcp assigned nameservers until a short while after then /etc/resolv.conf is overwriiten according to my preffered settings in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 08:00.41 | azeem | PumpkinPie: how is that related to Debian? |
| 08:00.50 | linux2 | Vasistha, you think it will ever be fixed with the debian kernel? |
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| 08:00.59 | Guerin | PumpkinPie: i suppose if you have an anorexic nazi fetish... |
| 08:01.12 | Vasistha | linux2: oh, I'd imagine some day it will be, but I don't know when, or what governs these things |
| 08:01.33 | linux2 | Vasistha, well i guess i found the kernel i will be using for a while then |
| 08:01.34 | vick | Can i do something like that: dd if=someimage.img of=/dev/hda1 ? |
| 08:01.56 | clearance | gotta set your blocksize |
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| 08:02.13 | linux2 | Vasistha, thanks for the help/brain jogging |
| 08:02.25 | Guerin | vick: gotta read man dd |
| 08:02.57 | konfuzed | clearance, well cacao not only has withdrawl relief chemistry but also the canibinoid Anandamide and 2 anandamide re-uptake inhibitors and facilitates converting oils into the brains ultimate HDA (or is that acrobym DHA) |
| 08:03.04 | vick | Guerin, no i dont mean the syntax, i mean the system wont crash ? |
| 08:03.16 | Vasistha | vick: I don't think that's appropriate for your task, tar might be more appropriate |
| 08:03.30 | clearance | HDA/DHA? |
| 08:03.43 | vick | Vasistha, like tar / and then extract it in / in my new debian ? |
| 08:04.05 | azeem | konfuzed: please continue your discussion in private or another channel |
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| 08:04.15 | konfuzed | your brain is about 40% or more by weight of HDA, now I have to confirm the stat somewhere |
| 08:04.19 | M4DM4X | hi all |
| 08:04.20 | clearance | gimme a link with the lowdown on it's positive properties |
| 08:04.29 | Vasistha | vick: yeah, something like that. however you'll probably have to mount the volume when it is not running as the os |
| 08:04.41 | clearance | what are you saying though |
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| 08:05.05 | Vasistha | vick: also, I'm not sure if the /dev tree might vary quite drastically from a vmware version, so you might be best off going through the debian install to get the proper /dev tree, and then just copying over certain parts of the fs |
| 08:05.30 | clearance | pant's? |
| 08:05.35 | clearance | sigh nvm |
| 08:05.44 | clearance | sleep deprivation is upon us |
| 08:05.44 | linux2 | Vasistha, im gonna try to contact a ubuntu dev to see what they did to make this fix possible |
| 08:05.45 | vick | Vasistha, i'll just skip /dev |
| 08:06.00 | Vasistha | vick: also skip /proc |
| 08:06.03 | vick | Vasistha, i dont understand the 'mount part' tho ? |
| 08:06.08 | vick | oh yeah /proc too |
| 08:06.23 | Vasistha | vick: /var might have some weird stuff in it too |
| 08:06.36 | Vasistha | vick: ...particularly /var/run |
| 08:06.42 | vick | yeah heh. |
| 08:06.46 | vick | Should i skip /var ? |
| 08:06.56 | vick | or does it have like libraries and stuff like that ? |
| 08:07.00 | Vasistha | vick: see, while your os is running, there will be file locks and other weird things ... and some of that gets obscured in your home directory and other weird places. |
| 08:07.05 | vick | or it's better not to |
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| 08:07.19 | konfuzed | clearance, with sleep deprivation the best I can do is http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&client=firefox&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aunofficial&q=%27cacao+chemistry%27&btnG=Search&meta= |
| 08:07.22 | vick | Vasistha, Yeah. |
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| 08:07.30 | azeem | konfuzed: uhm, last warning |
| 08:07.42 | vick | Vasistha, moreover the version i will tar will have information about running stuff |
| 08:07.59 | clearance | azeem uses H's in his ums, what does this say about his personality |
| 08:08.07 | clearance | i think he wears whitey tightys |
| 08:08.10 | linux2 | does anyone know what these numbers are |
| 08:08.26 | vick | Vasistha, i think it's better to escape /var/run, dont you think so too ? |
| 08:08.29 | konfuzed | clearance, but you use H in your ADD |
| 08:08.33 | linux2 | [17179580.952000] next to the kernel messages |
| 08:08.37 | Vasistha | konfuzed: take it to #offtopic |
| 08:08.38 | linux2 | and if there is a way to turn them off |
| 08:08.46 | clearance | because i've hyperactivity |
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| 08:09.23 | Guerin | go and be hyperactive away from your keyboard |
| 08:09.30 | Guerin | the rest of the world does not care |
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| 08:10.18 | clearance | 8-O!!! |
| 08:10.19 | Vasistha | vick: I really think the best thing to do is install debian fresh, and copy just a few things like /etc and /home |
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| 08:10.55 | vick | i dont think i need any /etc files |
| 08:11.00 | Vasistha | linux2: those may very well be time stamps of some sort |
| 08:11.01 | vick | i think i will do that. |
| 08:11.15 | Vasistha | vick: if you haven't modified any, you might not. |
| 08:11.36 | vick | no i meant the /home thing |
| 08:11.42 | vick | probably just copy some files from /home |
| 08:11.46 | Vasistha | vick: /etc is where global configuration stuff goes, as opposed to local configs which go in home |
| 08:11.51 | vick | and make apt-get get the rest and go slepe |
| 08:13.02 | Vasistha | vick: yeah, although if you have configured apt not to delete archives, you can copy a bunch of stuff from /var/cache/apt/archives rather than re-downloading it |
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| 08:13.53 | vick | there is about 318MB in this dir |
| 08:14.46 | vick | How do i make debian now not delete any of those ? |
| 08:14.52 | Werdna | hey guys, bit of a newb question, but how do I get something to stay in my path across shells? |
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| 08:15.20 | Vasistha | vick: in the apt archives? wonderful, yeah, you can hopefully save yourself the trouble of re-downloading all that stuff, although I am actually not entirely sure how to do it |
| 08:15.55 | vick | maybe using dpkg instead of apt-get or something |
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| 08:16.11 | simonrvn | dpkg doesn't do fetching |
| 08:16.12 | Vasistha | Werdna: well, you have to assign PATH in ~/.bashrc or some such, and then every new shell you open will have that path. However, if you re-assign PATH from within a shell, there is no way of getting that in other shells. |
| 08:16.20 | Vasistha | err, other currently running shells |
| 08:16.30 | clearance | yeah you bess not be sayin a word etorix |
| 08:16.33 | vick | simonrvn, yes, the data is somewhere locally |
| 08:16.35 | Werdna | I see. |
| 08:16.44 | Werdna | what about for everything (i.e. init.d scripts, too) |
| 08:16.47 | clearance | you see, etorix knows not to mess with a real gangsta |
| 08:16.49 | simonrvn | dpkg: do fetching |
| 08:16.49 | vick | but probably there might be broken packages or something |
| 08:16.54 | clearance | he might get a uberworm |
| 08:17.08 | vick | he who ? |
| 08:17.15 | Vasistha | vick: if the .deb's already exist in the apt archives dir, then apt-get will not re-download them |
| 08:17.19 | clearance | ^^ |
| 08:17.28 | vick | oh ok. |
| 08:18.25 | Vasistha | Werdna: just curious, why would you want to change the path for init.d scripts? |
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| 08:18.43 | vick | For hacking purposes! |
| 08:18.44 | vick | heh. |
| 08:18.56 | sanmarcos | anybody using a video ipod have problems ejecting and getting rid of the do not disconnect message? |
| 08:19.24 | Werdna | Vasistha, for java. |
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| 08:19.44 | Vasistha | Werdna: you've got init.d scripts running java stuff?? |
| 08:19.51 | Werdna | Vasistha, freenet. |
| 08:20.04 | Werdna | well, not yet. |
| 08:20.05 | Werdna | but I plan to. |
| 08:20.16 | Vasistha | Werdna: hmm ... are you sure there's not a non-java implementation?? |
| 08:20.30 | Werdna | Doubt it. |
| 08:20.37 | clearance | you disconnected it didn't you sanmarcos |
| 08:20.51 | sanmarcos | clearance: of course, I tried ejecting but it hung up, so I said fuck it and disconected it |
| 08:21.05 | sanmarcos | neither umount and eject, or any combination of the two works for properly disconnecting the ipod |
| 08:21.23 | Kevin` | people always worry about that stupid message |
| 08:21.24 | azeem | sanmarcos: same for my iAudio |
| 08:21.35 | Kevin` | just unmount it and pull it out |
| 08:21.52 | azeem | sanmarcos: Windows/OS X probably send some magic USB packets to it telling it everything is fine, while Linux does not |
| 08:22.05 | sanmarcos | heh, I guess so |
| 08:22.32 | Kevin` | there are some options to disable or reset usb devices that i've never played with.. might be worth checking out if you have a reason to |
| 08:22.50 | Kevin` | (see kernel docs if interested) |
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| 08:24.22 | sanmarcos | yes of course |
| 08:24.23 | sanmarcos | t |
| 08:24.29 | Guerin | azeem: which iaudio? |
| 08:24.32 | sanmarcos | I will spend hte night checking the kernel's usb mass storage code |
| 08:24.32 | azeem | M3 |
| 08:24.38 | Guerin | azeem: like it? |
| 08:24.43 | sanmarcos | line by line to see where the problem in the implennetation is |
| 08:24.44 | azeem | it's fine, yeah |
| 08:24.51 | azeem | don't need the radio at all, though |
| 08:24.54 | sanmarcos | then I will reverse engineer it from Windows and send a patch to Linus Torlvalds himself |
| 08:25.01 | Guerin | azeem: my x5 was awesome until I burned the ide controller up |
| 08:25.09 | azeem | ugh |
| 08:25.12 | Vasistha | Werdna: why don't you just give an explicit path to the executable when you run that one program? |
| 08:25.26 | Vasistha | Werdna: and by "explicit path" what I really mean is "full path" |
| 08:25.30 | azeem | Guerin: well, I'm not totally happy with the external control/LCD |
| 08:25.35 | Werdna | Vasistha, ... or add to path in the init.d script. |
| 08:25.52 | azeem | it keeps dangling around when I have the M3 in my pocket, and looks stupid when I attach it e.g. to my T-Shirt |
| 08:26.23 | Vasistha | Werdna: yeah ... rather than adding it to root's path via /etc/profile or /etc/bash.bashrc (which of course only effect bash, and not other shells) |
| 08:26.30 | Guerin | oh, the x5 doesn't have that |
| 08:26.43 | Guerin | it has a built-in colour lcd and a joystick button |
| 08:27.15 | Vasistha | Werdna: keep in mind that once you install java, it might add itself to your paths appropriately, as well ... or perhaps you've already found that it's not where you need it |
| 08:27.17 | Werdna | it's not set any of the other path variables, either. |
| 08:27.37 | Vasistha | Werdna: echo $PATH says what? |
| 08:28.05 | Werdna | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/data/downloads/jre1.5.0_07/bin (the location of a failed install) |
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| 08:29.59 | Vasistha | Werdna: have you rebooted since you fixed the install? or at least restarted X? |
| 08:30.08 | Werdna | I don't have X |
| 08:30.14 | Werdna | and I haven't rebooted. |
| 08:30.22 | Vasistha | ...or at least logged out / in of all shells? |
| 08:30.51 | Werdna | done that. |
| 08:30.55 | Werdna | I guess I should reboot anyway |
| 08:31.07 | Vasistha | perhaps. grep for jre recursively in /etc ? |
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| 08:35.00 | Werdna | well, I am a smart one |
| 08:35.07 | Werdna | forgot that was my proxy :) |
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| 08:37.52 | Werdna | still around, Vasistha |
| 08:38.13 | Vasistha | Werdna: kind of. my eye hurts and I need to go to bed :-( |
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| 08:38.37 | Werdna | ok. |
| 08:40.22 | Vasistha | how's the path after the reboot? same as before? |
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| 08:42.42 | Werdna | yeah. |
| 08:42.58 | Werdna | # echo $PATH |
| 08:42.58 | Werdna | /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/data/downloads/jre1.5.0_07/bin |
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| 08:47.00 | petzsch | good morning :-) |
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| 08:47.25 | mifritscher | hi |
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| 08:47.48 | mifritscher | sarge lufs+sarge kernel seem to crash my system regulary (komplete hang) |
| 08:47.49 | Werdna | hi petemc |
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| 08:48.07 | mifritscher | no error in the logs, I've no access to the consol |
| 08:48.11 | mifritscher | any ideas? |
| 08:48.12 | deado | hello |
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| 08:49.16 | mifritscher | the strange thing is that fuse crashes regulary, too |
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| 08:49.45 | mifritscher | but because of the timing it can only be lufs/fuse (tried both) |
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| 08:50.05 | mifritscher | I backup regurlary my data with it to a ftp-space |
| 08:50.12 | mifritscher | and 2-3 imes a week it crashes |
| 08:50.15 | petzsch | could someone tell me what to use instead of base-config in etch to setup the timezone? I just debootstraped the system and the manual does not point out what to use instead of the removed base-config :-( |
| 08:50.35 | firepol | hi, how can i see the list of files contained in a .deb package? apt-cache showpkg only shows the dependencies. i'd like to see a list of files before installing a package |
| 08:50.40 | Werdna | scary. |
| 08:50.57 | streuner | firepol: use pdo |
| 08:51.06 | Vasistha | Werdna: have you done a grep -R /etc/* '/data/downloads/jre1.5.0_07/bin' |
| 08:51.15 | mifritscher | firepol, or use mc ;) |
| 08:51.23 | Vasistha | Werdna: the idea would be to find where the path is being assigned |
| 08:51.43 | Vasistha | Werdna: in fact, run the grep on /home /etc |
| 08:51.53 | firepol | mifritscher: i cant use mc for a package that i havent downloaded.. |
| 08:52.00 | Vasistha | !set time |
| 08:52.01 | firepol | streuner... what about pdo ? |
| 08:52.01 | dpkg | To set the time in debian, use date --set. The truly enlightened user, however, will install ntpdate and ntp-simple to have their clock set automatically on reboot, and slewed to match time servers, respectively. You may also need to run tzconfig and make sure you have the right UTC setting in /etc/default/rcS first. |
| 08:52.10 | Vasistha | !tzconfig |
| 08:52.11 | dpkg | i guess setting time is if you're using a coexisting DOS/Win on your x86, put UTC=no in /etc/default/rcS else put UTC=yes. use tzconfig to set the right timezone, then use date (man date) to set time (avoid doing that when precious applications are running, some might get confused). Now do hwclock --systohc if RTC is local, or hwclock --systohc --utc if UTC. Erase /etc/adjtime and repeat the previous command again. This prevents wrong time drift ... |
| 08:52.27 | Vasistha | petzsch: see above |
| 08:52.31 | streuner | !tell firepol about pdo |
| 08:52.36 | petzsch | thx |
| 08:53.02 | Werdna | you mean grep -ir '/data/downloads/jre1.5.0_07/bin' /etc /home |
| 08:53.42 | firepol | streuner: i've already searched in google for the packages and found: packages.debian.org ... but it doesnt show the list of files contained in a pack.,,.. |
| 08:54.06 | streuner | you should open your eyes then :-) |
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| 08:56.15 | firepol | streuner: maybe you mean i have to download the .tar.gz and then check it? |
| 08:56.15 | streuner | firepol: what's hard to download the deb itself and use 'mc'? |
| 08:56.23 | streuner | no, the deb |
| 08:56.32 | firepol | streuner: its not efficne tto downlaod every file just to see its contents |
| 08:56.37 | streuner | or just use packages.debian.org |
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| 08:56.50 | firepol | struener: anyway if its the only wyy to do it, ill download the deb. |
| 08:56.50 | streuner | well, pdo is there for a reason |
| 08:57.04 | firepol | (it wastes bandwidth) |
| 08:57.10 | firepol | thanks |
| 08:57.13 | Vasistha | Werdna: uh, yeah ... you can tell how tired I am, I'm getting parameter order backwards ... although the -i is unnecessary, actually, path is case-sensitive, so the case should definitely be the same |
| 08:57.33 | Vasistha | Werdna: I keep on missing your stuff since you haven't been highlighting me :P |
| 08:57.51 | firepol | streuner: somebody told me to use: apt-file list packagename |
| 08:58.10 | petzsch | perhaps some hints for the replacement of base-config (setting root pw, configuring apt, setting the timezone) should be added here: http://d-I.alioth.debian.org/manual/en.i386/apds03.html |
| 08:58.11 | Werdna | oh, my bad. |
| 08:58.20 | firepol | i installed apt-utils but i dont have apt-file ... do you know if this solution works? |
| 08:58.36 | Werdna | hold on, I just tried uninstall reboot reinstall reboot |
| 08:59.04 | streuner | firepol: this command list *ALL* patterns matching the string |
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| 08:59.15 | vick | Hello, i have windows XP installed on my laptop having C: where entire space of the harddisk is allocated to it (filesystem: NTFS). Now that i want to make add linux on my laptop ? How do i do it without reinstalling windows ? |
| 08:59.18 | streuner | firepol: so not only *ONE* package... |
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| 08:59.45 | Werdna | Vasistha, all I get is a bunch of broken symlinks. |
| 09:00.02 | XeLoN | hi, I installed cvs and cvsd with apt-get. But I always getting error messages with both ext and pserver. please help! |
| 09:00.09 | tenzing_ | vick, use some partition tools like partitionmagic |
| 09:00.21 | Guerin | vick: : download the gparted livecd and resize the windows partition |
| 09:00.33 | XeLoN | it works on local, but in remote access it giveslways |
| 09:00.33 | vick | What about ntfsresize ? |
| 09:00.42 | XeLoN | error messages |
| 09:00.43 | Guerin | works, apparently |
| 09:00.48 | Vasistha | Guerin: I don't believe parted resizes ntfs partitions, does it?? |
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| 09:01.29 | Vasistha | vick: the thing is, ntfs is a proprietary, secret format, so really if you don't want to screw your filesystem, you should probably use partitionmagic |
| 09:01.32 | liable | yeeehaaa, finally got xgl compiled and working :D |
| 09:01.43 | streuner | !congratulate liable |
| 09:01.44 | dpkg | Woohoo liable, you did it! |
| 09:01.49 | liable | :) |
| 09:02.00 | liable | only took me 4 days :( |
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| 09:02.14 | streuner | Are you running gentoo? ;-) |
| 09:02.15 | liable | its pretty fucking groovy though :) |
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| 09:02.40 | liable | streuner: sorry, didnt see that comment, was spinning the cube :P |
| 09:02.41 | Maulkin | You'll get bored of it after an hour :) |
| 09:03.01 | liable | prolly, but at least i got the fucker working |
| 09:03.06 | vick | Vasistha: That's something that comes with windows ? |
| 09:03.11 | Vasistha | Werdna: a bunch of broken symlinks? sounds kinda weird... |
| 09:03.25 | XeLoN | please help me! |
| 09:03.26 | Vasistha | vick: partition magic is software you would have to buy... |
| 09:03.41 | Vasistha | !repeat XeLoN |
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| 09:03.59 | Vasistha | !repeat |
| 09:03.59 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 09:04.05 | XeLoN | I have a problem with cvs installation (I have read already cvs manual) |
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| 09:04.26 | XeLoN | sorry |
| 09:04.27 | Vasistha | heh, that was not supposed to be a request XD |
| 09:04.27 | Werdna | Vasistha, all I see grep: /etc/alternatives/ControlPanel: No such file or directory, over and over again |
| 09:04.32 | Guerin | don't use partitionmagic |
| 09:04.41 | Guerin | use the gprted livecd |
| 09:04.50 | Vasistha | Werdna: redirect the errors to null ... 2>/dev/null |
| 09:05.00 | vick | Guerin: what's gprted ? |
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| 09:05.42 | vick | You mean gparted ? |
| 09:06.00 | liable | yes |
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| 09:06.14 | vick | That can resize ntfs accurately ? |
| 09:06.26 | Werdna | Vasistha, wrong one. |
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| 09:07.13 | Guerin | vick: i'm an appalling typist on a ssh connection to a computer 15,000km away on 56k dialup |
| 09:07.19 | Guerin | and i've been drinking |
| 09:07.21 | Guerin | so youll excuse the occasional typo :) |
| 09:07.25 | Vasistha | XeLoN: posting your errors to a pastebin would be helpful, /msg dpkg paster |
| 09:07.46 | Guerin | Vasistha: the answer to your question is yes |
| 09:07.52 | Vasistha | Guerin: heh, you typed those three lines appallingly accurately :-) |
| 09:08.00 | vick | heh yeah |
| 09:08.06 | Guerin | Vasistha: years of practice |
| 09:08.20 | vick | Are you drunk ? |
| 09:08.24 | Guerin | no |
| 09:08.30 | vick | What did you drink ? |
| 09:08.31 | Guerin | i'm working on it |
| 09:08.32 | Vasistha | Guerin: that would be the question, "does parted support ntfs resize" |
| 09:08.38 | Guerin | i've had a couple beers |
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| 09:08.47 | Guerin | it's friday night and I'm too broke to go out |
| 09:09.20 | streuner | Who is going to go on friday out, anyway?... |
| 09:09.26 | streuner | only discos... |
| 09:09.37 | Werdna | Vasistha, i get no output whatsoever. |
| 09:09.39 | Guerin | gparted livecddoes in fact support ntfs resize |
| 09:09.42 | vick | Vasistha: Yes it does |
| 09:09.52 | vick | http://gparted.sourceforge.net/features.php |
| 09:10.06 | vick | lovely :D |
| 09:10.42 | Guerin | streuner: the airnz cup started tonight, and I should be at the pub watching the magpies get hammered |
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| 09:11.02 | vl_h | Guerin, spare your yet another thousand body cells and one million brain cells you are killing by alcahol |
| 09:11.03 | streuner | airnz cup? |
| 09:11.11 | Vasistha | Werdna: hrm, so path is not being defined either in /etc or in /home ... weird |
| 09:11.36 | Vasistha | Werdna: ...or at least, that particular bit of the path is not being assigned in any of those places |
| 09:11.58 | Guerin | Vasistha: i have plenty more to go around |
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| 09:12.03 | Guerin | vl_h: ^ |
| 09:12.08 | Werdna | Vasistha, I got /usr/share/application-registry/java-archive.applications: command=/data/downloads/jre1.5.0_07/bin/java -jar |
| 09:12.18 | streuner | oh, rubgy |
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| 09:12.21 | Guerin | streuner: the air new zealand cup, our national rugby competition |
| 09:12.32 | streuner | rugby |
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| 09:12.54 | streuner | well, i like the way they dance before the game :-) |
| 09:13.00 | Guerin | heh |
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| 09:13.07 | Guerin | the aussies don't |
| 09:13.12 | Guerin | they're trying to have it banned |
| 09:13.42 | DevilChaos | hi folks i have problems setting up gnome baker and get this error message (gnomebaker:10472): libgnomevfs-WARNING **: Unable to create ~/.gnome2 directory: Read-only file system |
| 09:13.42 | DevilChaos | Could not create per-user gnome configuration directory `/root/.gnome2/': Read-only file system |
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| 09:13.55 | DevilChaos | any help? |
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| 09:14.35 | Guerin | DevilChaos: output of 'mount -f' |
| 09:14.40 | Guerin | !paster |
| 09:14.40 | dpkg | [pastebin] a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 09:14.40 | liable | Guerin: much like you guys whining about the handbag advert.. :P |
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| 09:14.49 | Guerin | heh |
| 09:14.57 | Angell | hi |
| 09:14.59 | DevilChaos | in #flood ok |
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| 09:15.18 | Guerin | those of us with brains didn't whine, we just watched our boys win |
| 09:15.22 | Guerin | liable: which, I suppose, is what your smart people will do as well |
| 09:15.32 | liable | yup |
| 09:15.33 | Guerin | liable: except you never win :) |
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| 09:15.52 | liable | well.. |
| 09:15.56 | liable | thats true :( |
| 09:16.03 | Guerin | aww, don't worry |
| 09:16.08 | Guerin | you have rodzilla now |
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| 09:17.03 | DevilChaos | guerin: ive pasted in #flood |
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| 09:17.55 | DevilChaos | or would you prefer pastebin? |
| 09:18.25 | Gnea | !starfighter |
| 09:18.26 | dpkg | methinks starfighter is a 2d shoot 'em up game with sweet graphics and trancy tunes that requires SDL. Homepage: http://www.parallelrealities.co.uk/ To waste lots of time and have fun doing it at the same time, type: apt-get install starfighter |
| 09:18.29 | Guerin | DevilChaos: no use to me |
| 09:18.47 | DevilChaos | what is no use? |
| 09:18.47 | Guerin | DevilChaos: just paste the line which shows your /home in here |
| 09:19.28 | DevilChaos | dev/hda7 on /home type ext3 (rw) |
| 09:19.36 | Guerin | ok. |
| 09:19.50 | Guerin | so the filesystem is correctly mounted |
| 09:19.58 | TARZEAU | is there some good OCR software for mac os x? |
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| 09:20.22 | DevilChaos | streuner: my root partition is mounted read-only because of errors how would i rectify that? |
| 09:20.28 | Gnea | TARZEAU: go play starfighter |
| 09:20.35 | Guerin | DevilChaos: ls -l ~/.. |
| 09:20.43 | Guerin | DevilChaos: oh. |
| 09:20.52 | TARZEAU | Gnea: i prefer nethack |
| 09:20.54 | streuner | DevilChaos: fsck the FS and remount it rw? |
| 09:21.00 | Guerin | DevilChaos: you'd run, as root, shutdown -fr |
| 09:21.00 | Gnea | TARZEAU: but starfighter owns. |
| 09:21.10 | Guerin | sorry |
| 09:21.14 | Guerin | DevilChaos: you'd run, as root, shutdown -fr now |
| 09:22.01 | Vasistha | Werdna: I think that disconnect was the message from god that it's time to go to sleep :-( good luck with your path problem... |
| 09:22.03 | TARZEAU | Gnea: nah that sucks, and i finished all levels of www.ri-li.org already |
| 09:22.11 | TARZEAU | Gnea: but if you want to play some www.mtp-target.org ? |
| 09:22.52 | DevilChaos | my system is about to go FUBAR! |
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| 09:23.40 | DevilChaos | ill leave it for now got to go out but suspect i need reinstall badly |
| 09:23.46 | Guerin | DevilChaos: do what I told you and it will minimise fubarity |
| 09:23.59 | DevilChaos | wont let me do the command |
| 09:24.11 | Guerin | tell it you're not joking |
| 09:24.16 | DevilChaos | lol |
| 09:24.33 | DevilChaos | ty for help prob back later |
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| 09:24.53 | Werdna | Vasistha, thanks. |
| 09:24.53 | Werdna | have a nice sleep :P |
| 09:25.05 | Arafangion | What do I need to read if I am attempting to allow people to dialin to a server via a modem? |
| 09:25.49 | Vasistha | Werdna: /etc/login.defs |
| 09:26.06 | sanmarcos | does udev generate /dev/null ? |
| 09:26.32 | Werdna | don't you mean Arafangion? |
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| 09:27.11 | streuner | sanmarcos: knusper:/# ls -l /dev/null ,crw-rw-rw- 1 root root 1, 3 2006-07-28 09:17 /dev/null |
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| 09:27.41 | streuner | sanmarcos: dpkg -l udev, ii udev 0.093-1 /dev/ and hotplug management daemon |
| 09:27.44 | sanmarcos | streuner: because of the date, I would guess so, I am trying to help another user |
| 09:28.03 | Arafangion | Werdna: I want to setup a server so that I can dial into it via the modem. |
| 09:28.07 | sanmarcos | streuner: thanks, just needed your telephatical confirmation |
| 09:28.10 | Arafangion | Werdna: Instead of ssh via the internet access. |
| 09:28.18 | Gnea | TARZEAU: there's no debian package? |
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| 09:29.13 | Gnea | TARZEAU: heh, mtp target looks like pilotwings |
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| 09:32.00 | Arafangion | Ha! minicom doesn't work with urxvt |
| 09:32.19 | Gnea | urxvt? |
| 09:32.45 | streuner | prolly urxvt |
| 09:32.48 | Arafangion | Gnea: An excellent unicode-enabled rxvt. |
| 09:32.56 | sanmarcos | your xxx riveting terminal |
| 09:33.11 | Gnea | ah |
| 09:33.21 | sanmarcos | that is what its stands for, obviously |
| 09:33.26 | sanmarcos | !urxvt |
| 09:33.43 | Gnea | well i know rxvt |
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| 09:34.08 | sanmarcos | yeah, urxvt is like the deluxe version for you know, "foreign" people and their weird languages |
| 09:34.17 | Gnea | hehe |
| 09:34.52 | Gnea | hrm, i wonder if chromium works now |
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| 09:35.14 | sanmarcos | streuner: would you have an idea on why udev would set crw-- 600 on /dev/null? |
| 09:37.00 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: I just had to support some wierd characters, AND have a decent terminator that works well with vim. |
| 09:37.03 | Arafangion | :) |
| 09:37.19 | sanmarcos | yeah, you would not want gnome-terminal |
| 09:37.26 | sanmarcos | or something that captures ctrl-v for example |
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| 09:38.57 | kintaro0e | hi guys..i need some advice..i want to make a file server using debian..my machine is in US and i'm here in UK..do i use samba or ftp server or any repository technology server?any advice? |
| 09:39.23 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Gnome terminal was just too slow. |
| 09:39.51 | sanmarcos | 2.14 had some huge improvements |
| 09:39.57 | |^o_o^| | Is there any way i can know from when my pppoe connection is up? |
| 09:40.10 | sanmarcos | well not itself, but vte, the widget they use. They even claim its faster than xterm on rendering huge lists of files |
| 09:40.21 | peterS | |^o_o^|: please acquire a nick which is possible to type, kthx |
| 09:40.27 | peterS | |^o_o^|: also, read /var/log/syslog |
| 09:40.29 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Yes, but how well does it run with multiple vim windows? |
| 09:41.55 | sanmarcos | pretty well. I usually use gvim thoughj |
| 09:42.19 | sanmarcos | the gtk engine can slow you done also if it uses cairo, but I doubt it has any relevant impact on g-t |
| 09:42.37 | sanmarcos | gnome-terminal is also not standards compliant, but the #vim guys are experts at that |
| 09:42.37 | grummund | Hey, i just discovered that there are no symlinks under /etc/rc* for iptables... wtf? i'm sure there must have been before... |
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| 09:43.01 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: it works fine afaik on multi windowed vim. You might have to disable some of they keybindings gnome-terminal captures. |
| 09:43.29 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Hmm, what about vimdiff? |
| 09:43.33 | grummund | pls, dont say this feature has been removed from Sarge... |
| 09:43.57 | |^o_o^| | peterS, sorry n thanx |
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| 09:44.06 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: fine really, it works as fine as any other term |
| 09:44.28 | sanmarcos | except for the visual block issue (ctrl-v), I havent found any other significant drawbacks |
| 09:44.46 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: mrxvt is pretty cool too, but shame it isnt unicode |
| 09:45.20 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: I just find that most terminal emulators are just slow if one is doing vim all the time. |
| 09:45.45 | wam | grummund: /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 09:46.37 | Arafangion | How do I dialin from another modem directly? |
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| 09:46.39 | wam | Arafangion: ever tried xterm? or was this already mentioned? |
| 09:46.41 | Arafangion | (Ie, there is no dialtone) |
| 09:46.59 | Arafangion | wam: Why use xterm, when you have (u)rxvt? :) |
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| 09:47.33 | sanmarcos | you are x v t! |
| 09:48.23 | Gnea | uhm |
| 09:48.34 | grummund | wam: yes, i see it, but deprecated != remove from stable release... ? :-/ |
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| 09:48.56 | wam | grummund: the init.d-scripts aren't in use anymore in sarge. |
| 09:49.07 | see | hello, how do i extract one file frm a .deb? |
| 09:49.13 | grummund | wam: hmmm, when did they go then? |
| 09:49.23 | grummund | before sarge? |
| 09:49.26 | wam | grummund: but if you depend on them, just use the old ones. Or switch to the prefered method in /etc/networking/interfaces. |
| 09:49.59 | grummund | wam: yes, i still have the old scripts, its the symlinks under /etc/rc* that seem to have dissapeared |
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| 09:50.23 | wam | grummund: that's explained in the README, I mentioned. |
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| 09:52.17 | Arafangion | How do I find out if I have a modem connected to the serial port? |
| 09:53.04 | grummund | wam: my understanding of the README is that while the feature is deprecated, the old setup is left orphaned. which is true for the scripts but not the symlinks, i.e. it appears to me sofar that my firewall somehow got broke by an upgrade... i.e. if i reboot i expect the firewall will not be loaded |
| 09:53.27 | infernix | Arafangion: apt-get install minicom; minicom -S. configure it, then try AT commands |
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| 09:55.06 | Arafangion | infernix: Should something happen if one types in 'AT'? |
| 09:55.16 | seeds | what's a good rootkit remover for debian? |
| 09:55.26 | Arafangion | seeds: The debian installation CD's. |
| 09:55.41 | seeds | huh? |
| 09:55.48 | Arafangion | seeds: Yes, a reinstallation. |
| 09:55.50 | planetsim | Im going to be installing debian, do i download the r1 or r2 images? |
| 09:55.54 | seeds | oh ok |
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| 09:56.17 | Gnea | planetsim: whatever's the latest |
| 09:56.18 | nox-Hand | Hey |
| 09:56.19 | Arafangion | planetsim: Just download a netinst CD. |
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| 09:57.22 | liable | seeds: chkrootkit and rkhunter |
| 09:57.27 | nox-Hand | I am about to get the weekly testing edititon of Debian, but I was wondering, should I not get a specific for my AMD Athlon XP 32 bit? i686 or something, or should I just get the i386 version=? |
| 09:57.29 | liable | seeds: rkhunter isnt in sarge |
| 09:57.39 | seeds | ok am using etch liable |
| 09:57.46 | sanmarcos | nox-Hand: debian doesnt do anything better than 386 |
| 09:57.53 | sanmarcos | for 32 bit pentium compatible |
| 09:58.26 | nox-Hand | sanmarcos, Cheers. What difference is there from the DVD/CD? |
| 09:58.39 | nox-Hand | And could I just as well do the floppy install? |
| 09:58.44 | sanmarcos | nevertheless, there isnt any relevant performance increase by doing i686 |
| 09:58.47 | Arafangion | nox-Hand: Yes. |
| 09:59.06 | Guerin | as crazy as it seems |
| 09:59.07 | sanmarcos | there could be if an app is compiled with mmx, sse, or some other processor specific, but most apps arent that intensive |
| 09:59.20 | nox-Hand | Hmn, okay, cheers =) |
| 09:59.21 | sanmarcos | that is why you should recompile kernels to match your arch, as well as video players, enconders, so on |
| 09:59.24 | sanmarcos | or any cpu intensive app |
| 09:59.25 | nox-Hand | bbl!! |
| 09:59.30 | nox-Hand | bbl!* |
| 09:59.38 | Guerin | i might need to get a floppy drive so I can install debian on this dx4-100 with a non-bootable cdrom |
| 09:59.56 | Arafangion | infernix: Heck, should something happen if I type in 'ATA'? |
| 10:00.51 | sanmarcos | Guerin: good luck |
| 10:01.01 | sanmarcos | all my floppies are bad floppies |
| 10:02.04 | liable | Arafangion: try wvdial, should find it if its working.. |
| 10:02.38 | Arafangion | liable: It just complains that it can't find /dev/modem |
| 10:02.42 | Arafangion | (3 times) |
| 10:02.47 | Arafangion | Then it quits. |
| 10:02.54 | peterS | Guerin: I'd send you a spare floppy drive, but the shipping would be somewhat higher than buying it locally |
| 10:03.34 | liable | Arafangion: whats dmesg say about it? |
| 10:04.19 | Arafangion | liable: It's been too long since I've rebooted the machine. |
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| 10:04.40 | Arafangion | Oh, wait, I can still get the boot dmesg logs. |
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| 10:05.19 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: /var/log/kern.log |
| 10:05.24 | sanmarcos | the kernel, from the popcorn |
| 10:05.33 | Arafangion | liable: Searching the entire dmesg for 'modem' results in a 'not found' message, but I get four lines referring to ttyS0 and ttyS1 if I search for 'tty' |
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| 10:06.17 | Arafangion | liable: Oh, yes, it's an external modem. |
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| 10:06.28 | liable | Arafangion: ln -s /dev/ttyS0 /dev/modem .. see what gives |
| 10:06.29 | sanmarcos | what make & model? |
| 10:06.36 | sanmarcos | what gives :) |
| 10:06.49 | Arafangion | liable: How does that differ from 'minicom /dev/ttyS0'? |
| 10:07.13 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: it just makes it nice |
| 10:07.15 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: A crap dynalink, but I should be getting SOMETHING. |
| 10:07.17 | liable | Arafangion: sure, use mincom. |
| 10:07.58 | Arafangion | liable: Trouble is that minicom doesn't give a <censored> about giving any _hint_ that the serial port actually is or isn't a modem. |
| 10:08.24 | sanmarcos | try sending some <censored> with cat, see if the modem blinks |
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| 10:08.51 | infernix | Arafangion: if it isnt a winmodem (which isnt a modem in my book) then it should respond to AT with OK |
| 10:09.22 | liable | stop saying <censored>, its more annoting than saying fuck! |
| 10:09.29 | Arafangion | sanmarcos: Not even sending ATA results in the modem responding to an incomming call. |
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| 10:09.31 | TARZEAU | Gnea: it's very funny |
| 10:09.41 | sanmarcos | Arafangion: good night, and good luck |
| 10:10.01 | sanmarcos | but modems are so vintage, they are cute, I like them |
| 10:10.23 | infernix | Arafangion: ATZ should work. anyway make sure it isnt a winmodem |
| 10:10.40 | Arafangion | infernix: An external winmodem? |
| 10:10.44 | Arafangion | infernix: I doubt that. |
| 10:10.52 | infernix | Arafangion: ah. indeed. |
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| 10:10.58 | Arafangion | (Uses a serial port and everything) |
| 10:11.24 | infernix | Arafangion: well make sure you chose the right whats it called, RTS/CTS or XON/XOFF. RTS/CTS requires hardware support in the modem |
| 10:11.34 | b_jonas | hello, all. I'd like to ask a question about grub |
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| 10:11.38 | infernix | Arafangion: it wont respond to anything if that isnt set correctly |
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| 10:11.50 | liable | there certainly are external winmodems |
| 10:11.52 | infernix | Arafangion: and most likely you want to start at 38400 or 57600, 115200 might not work |
| 10:11.58 | Arafangion | infernix: I'm just using default settings, which is 38400 |
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| 10:12.14 | Arafangion | infernix: I don't make life difficult, I just get the damn thing working, then I get fancy. |
| 10:12.14 | b_jonas | I'm going to install grub on a hard disk, using another grub on a hdd that will later be removed. |
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| 10:12.22 | infernix | Arafangion: try switching xon/xoff and rts/cts |
| 10:12.48 | Arafangion | infernix: How? |
| 10:12.49 | b_jonas | For this, I fisrt have to copy the grub stage2 and other files to the hard disk I'm installing to, right? (I've done that already) |
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| 10:13.07 | infernix | Arafangion: minicom. ctrl-p o, or ctrl-o p or something |
| 10:13.22 | infernix | Arafangion: same bit where you set it to 8N1 38400 |
| 10:13.38 | b_jonas | but then, the manual says I have to run the first grub, set the grub root with the root command, and then run the setup command. |
| 10:13.52 | b_jonas | I'm installing the the MBR |
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| 10:14.11 | Arafangion | infernix: That screen makes no mention of XON/XOFF or RTS/CTS |
| 10:14.19 | infernix | Arafangion: uhhm. |
| 10:14.22 | infernix | hold on |
| 10:14.32 | b_jonas | Now my question is what the grub root device means above: is that the device from where setup copies the stage1 and stage1.5 to the MBR and the following sectors, |
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| 10:14.53 | infernix | (just woke up) |
| 10:14.56 | b_jonas | or is it the device from which the new grub wiil be loading the stage2? |
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| 10:15.02 | Arafangion | infernix: Still, it really should at least respond when using 8N1 38400, that's a _very_, _very_, _very_ common setting. |
| 10:15.18 | infernix | Arafangion: not if cts/rts or xon/xoff is set wrong. it wont respond to a thing. |
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| 10:15.36 | Kevin` | is this a modem? |
| 10:15.47 | b_jonas | Is the identity of filesystem from where the new grub shell load stage2 stored somewhere in the newly installed stage1 or stage1.5? |
| 10:15.53 | nox-Hand | My PC has been prelinking for about 20 mins, and I think it's crashed - what will happen if I stop the process? |
| 10:15.56 | linux_manju | b_jonas: That is ur /boot parti no |
| 10:15.59 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I haven't a <censored> clue if /dev/ttyS0 is a modem, I'm just trying to connect to the damn device. |
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| 10:16.21 | infernix | Arafangion: minicom -s > serial port setup, or ctrl-A>O>Serial port setup. F and G are hardware (RTS/CTS) and software (XON/XOFF) flow control. play with all possibilities. if its cheap modem or not fully pinned cable, hardware flowcontrol wont work |
| 10:16.22 | Arafangion | nox-Hand: Major shit. |
| 10:16.25 | Kevin` | well the only thing that responds to random settings is modems |
| 10:16.36 | Kevin` | otherwise your stuck with guessing mostly |
| 10:16.38 | peterS | infernix: you said it's external, I _hope_ you know which serial port you plugged it into |
| 10:16.42 | nox-Hand | Arafangion, righto, I shall leave it running. |
| 10:16.55 | infernix | peterS: no i didnt. arafangion did. |
| 10:16.56 | Arafangion | infernix: Then repeat with /dev/ttyS1 ? |
| 10:17.06 | b_jonas | linux_manju: doesn't answer my question. was I not clear? |
| 10:17.09 | infernix | Arafangion: i guess. its external, right? |
| 10:17.09 | peterS | infernix: right, I meant him |
| 10:17.11 | Arafangion | nox-Hand: If you don't know what prelinking is, you're an idiot for doing it. |
| 10:17.18 | Arafangion | infernix: Yes. |
| 10:17.25 | infernix | arag: trial and error |
| 10:17.29 | nox-Hand | Arafangion, Then an idiot I am stamped :) |
| 10:17.31 | linux_manju | b_jonas: in other words thats where the grub will look for stage files.. |
| 10:18.05 | linux_manju | b_jonas: Ur kernel for that matter.. If u have a separate /boot specified for the install.. Mention that partion no there |
| 10:18.28 | linux_manju | b_jonas: otherwise it ought to be ur / partion |
| 10:18.53 | b_jonas | linux_manju: ok. so is that stored in stage1/1.5 somewhere by setup? is there a way to query or change that later? |
| 10:19.18 | Arafangion | infernix: Ok, All four combinations for /dev/ttyS0 are non-responsive. |
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| 10:19.50 | b_jonas | On another node, it will be the / partition now but I think I'll later create a separate /boot partition so that grub would load faster. Would that really make grub load faster and what filesystem should I use? |
| 10:19.51 | cast | linux_manju: no rule against not speaking english, but you might want to spell your and you properly. you'll get more credibility |
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| 10:20.14 | linux_manju | b_jonas: Just to make sure .. you can run grup-install /dev/hda .. If it returns any error check ... |
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| 10:20.31 | Arafangion | infernix: All four combinations for /dev/ttyS1 are also non-responsive. |
| 10:20.41 | linux_manju | b_jonas: May be you can try with grub-install -vv /dev/hdX |
| 10:20.48 | Arafangion | Why the hell isn't there a program that can auto-detect a modem? |
| 10:20.51 | nox-Hand | b_jonas, That's grub-install not grup-install :) |
| 10:21.00 | Arafangion | Apparently wvdial is supposed to do so, but it just complains that /dev/modem doesn't exist. |
| 10:21.04 | linux_manju | cast: Thanks for the info.. Will try to follow that !! |
| 10:21.20 | b_jonas | I don't think I trust grub-install here. |
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| 10:22.00 | infernix | Arafangion: if minicom doesnt work, nothing else will |
| 10:22.15 | infernix | Arafangion: you sure this modem works? |
| 10:22.16 | PumpkinPie | im tired of getting my car towed |
| 10:22.53 | PumpkinPie | more money = more problems.. no money = no problems |
| 10:23.12 | linux_manju | b_jonas: Well.. There is no sure shot way of checking that up.. as far as i know... |
| 10:23.17 | Kevin` | Arafangion are you sure it's not a winmodem? most internal modems that you get with a computer are |
| 10:23.19 | infernix | problems only exist in the mind:) |
| 10:23.26 | Arafangion | Kevin`: It's not an internal modem. |
| 10:23.38 | Kevin` | oh.. which serial port is it on |
| 10:23.44 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I wish I knew. |
| 10:23.53 | Arafangion | Kevin`: The one that's on the back of the machine. |
| 10:23.53 | linux_manju | b_jonas: whats the big deal.. If you are unable to boot u can always try booting of a rescue disk and get it back up |
| 10:24.07 | Kevin` | stty -echo /dev/ttyS0 |
| 10:24.12 | Kevin` | screen /dev/ttyS0 |
| 10:24.13 | Kevin` | AT |
| 10:24.14 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I've assumed it's either /dev/ttyS0, but... |
| 10:24.17 | Kevin` | C-a X |
| 10:24.18 | liable | PumpkinPie: gimme all your money then, that should solve your problems :) |
| 10:24.18 | Kevin` | repeat |
| 10:24.21 | b_jonas | oh well, that's not important anyway, if it works it's probably from the right filesystem. I'd just like to know for sure that stage1.5 doesn't just search for stage2 on all partitions and boot a fake stage2 from another partition because of that. |
| 10:24.38 | infernix | Arafangion: can you 'grep ttyS /var/log/dmesg', make sure they are active |
| 10:24.59 | infernix | Arafangion: is this a recent machine? i am assuming they have 16550A's? |
| 10:25.14 | Kevin` | s/C-a X/C-a K |
| 10:25.22 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Thanks, responds with 'OK', so at _last_, I've got a damn response. |
| 10:25.34 | Kevin` | well thats your modem then :) |
| 10:25.37 | Arafangion | infernix: It contains an AMD Athlon. |
| 10:25.57 | infernix | Arafangion: well, fiddle on ttyS0 with minicom with speed and flow control till it works. |
| 10:26.10 | Kevin` | or, check what it is right now |
| 10:26.19 | Kevin` | any speed should work that the modem can understand (not too fast) |
| 10:27.01 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I've just used defaults: 38400 8NI |
| 10:27.19 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Hang on... |
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| 10:28.25 | stony | hi |
| 10:28.29 | Kevin` | it would be wise to use hardware flow control if you can |
| 10:28.41 | stony | W: GPG error: http://ftp2.de.debian.org sid Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG 010908312D230C5F Debian Archive Automatic Signing Key (2006) <ftpmaster@debian.org> |
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| 10:29.27 | Gnea | stony: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
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| 10:30.08 | stony | Gnea: ah thx a lot :) |
| 10:31.13 | Arafangion | Kevin`: DAMN minicom for being shitty! Now that I know it likes to be _restarted_ (Perhaps I have an odd version here), and now that I know that it apparently silently ignores /dev/ttyS0 when specified as an argument (It was really using /dev/ttyS4) |
| 10:31.20 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Thanks heaps for your help :) |
| 10:31.32 | stony | Gnea: after adding the key, the problem is still the same |
| 10:31.33 | Kevin` | np :) |
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| 10:32.03 | liable | whats ftp2? |
| 10:32.27 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Is it possible that using stty changed something for minicom as well, though? |
| 10:33.04 | Gnea | some german server |
| 10:33.07 | Kevin` | Arafangion doubt it, all it should have done was make sure echo was disabled |
| 10:33.13 | Kevin` | which minicom would do, guaranteed |
| 10:33.14 | Gnea | it's probably got a blank key |
| 10:33.20 | stony | liable: on official mirror on the mirror-list |
| 10:33.34 | Kevin` | (otherwise the computer would echo all text back the the modem, which is insane for a modem) |
| 10:33.41 | stony | other ppl switched to ftp.de.debian.org to "solve" the problem but i think that isn't a solution at all |
| 10:35.12 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Wierd, if I run the command (stty -echo -F /dev/<any tty>), it turns echo off for the terminal! |
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| 10:35.36 | Arafangion | Kevin`: On my laptop, this time. |
| 10:35.50 | Arafangion | (Possible it doesn't have any serial port at all) |
| 10:35.56 | Kevin` | that's odd |
| 10:36.36 | Kevin` | (unless you did it to the tty your using) |
| 10:36.57 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Of course not :) |
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| 10:38.00 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I hate to say it, but this is more fun than getting Visual Studio 2005 working properly. It's a sad life :( |
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| 10:38.15 | Kevin` | lol |
| 10:38.31 | Kevin` | perhaps you want to help with what i'm working on? :) |
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| 10:38.57 | Timelord | Bleh. Power mismanagement. So frequently does it seem computers have bits dropping off to sleep at the most inconvienient times. Sure I lost nearly a terabyte of data but at least I saved .00001 kWh. -_- |
| 10:38.59 | Arafangion | Kevin`: No, but I'm intruged never-the-less. |
| 10:39.15 | Kevin` | i'm trying to build a kernel for the dsm-g600 revision b |
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| 10:40.27 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Hmm, that's a tie with VS 2005. |
| 10:40.29 | Arafangion | (imho) |
| 10:40.39 | baphomet | i've got problems with toolchain, any knows about it? |
| 10:40.57 | Kevin` | yes, toolchains are a pain :) |
| 10:41.20 | Kevin` | (happens to be what i'm.. trying to build right now, for this project) |
| 10:41.30 | Arafangion | Kevin`: If my laptop reports only one serial port, is it likely to be the modem (This tiem it's internal) |
| 10:41.33 | baphomet | I can't find a tzdata-mips-cross package |
| 10:41.39 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Or is that serial port likely to be a "ghost"? |
| 10:41.49 | Kevin` | Arafangion check :) |
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| 10:42.06 | Kevin` | I dout it's a modem though, most laptops have software modems |
| 10:42.36 | Arafangion | Kevin`: But, it's listed in lspci, which implies that it's _slightly_ more likely to be supported. |
| 10:42.52 | Kevin` | what's it listed as |
| 10:42.58 | Kevin` | ac'97 modem? |
| 10:43.34 | Arafangion | Yup - Ugh, Google's results are not promising. |
| 10:43.51 | Kevin` | if it's listed as a serial controller, it'll probably work rather easily |
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| 10:44.03 | Kevin` | but, too bad :) |
| 10:44.15 | Arafangion | Kevin`: It's listed as a "Modem Controller". |
| 10:44.18 | Kevin` | probably conexant too, knowign luck |
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| 10:44.39 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Intel Corp, ICH6M family. |
| 10:44.46 | Kevin` | look up your latop in linux hardware lists |
| 10:44.59 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I haven't found it listed in any. |
| 10:45.04 | Arafangion | Kevin`: It's quite new. |
| 10:45.04 | Kevin` | Arafangion I bet it's still using a conexant modem... bets? |
| 10:45.18 | Kevin` | wait.. what computer is this? |
| 10:45.19 | Neil_ | not sure whereelse to ask this question.. anybody have a problem with the home key not working in mysql's client? just shows me a tilde, not sure if it's a config problem or not.. |
| 10:45.30 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Asus 6V6 |
| 10:45.37 | Kevin` | heh, oh well |
| 10:45.38 | Arafangion | Kevin`: (Laptop) |
| 10:46.01 | Kevin` | Neil_ home key? |
| 10:46.05 | Kevin` | Oh, nm |
| 10:46.20 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Only thing so far that doesn't work in linux is the built-in SD-card reader, and perhaps the modem. Otherwise it runs much better than windows on batteries. (Mainly thanks to seriously crap windows powermanagement drivers) |
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| 10:46.44 | Kevin` | Arafangion by change an ENE card reader? |
| 10:47.04 | hcy | anyone know of a chat program that allows voice (and maybe also video) conversations, like Skype, for linux-debian? |
| 10:47.05 | Kevin` | don't know much about it myself, just curious, as ai hve one |
| 10:47.35 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Well, I have a USB SD-card reader, so it doesn't bother me. Heck, when I got the laptop, I didn't even notice that it had an SD-card reader. :) |
| 10:47.49 | Arafangion | Kevin`: It had too many other features :) |
| 10:47.50 | Kevin` | hehe |
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| 10:48.35 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Anyway, I've got one working modem - I'll just reboot the laptop into windows, then I have two :) |
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| 10:48.52 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I'm constructing a backdoor so that I can still log into the server when the internet is down. |
| 10:49.05 | Kevin` | what do you use for internet |
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| 10:49.35 | Kevin` | can you have the modem only answer if it detects another modem? (use it on the same line as phone) |
| 10:49.37 | Arafangion | Kevin`: ADSL 1.5 |
| 10:49.46 | valdyn | Kevin`: no |
| 10:49.57 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Actually, I plan on having it disconnected most of the time, but yes, you can. |
| 10:50.06 | Kevin` | Arafangion how? |
| 10:50.39 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Not sure if you can configure it on mgetty as such, but the typical way one sets up a modem to "share" a line is to auto-answer after a certain number of rings - and make sure the phone or fax machine answers it first! |
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| 10:51.03 | Kevin` | I have an answering machine.. how would I do that |
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| 10:51.32 | Kevin` | (if there is noone there, only the first device would answer, right?) |
| 10:51.33 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Your answering machine answers after, say, 4 rings? |
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| 10:51.38 | Arafangion | Kevin`: yes. |
| 10:52.03 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Basically, only one device can actually answer (but all can eavesdrop) |
| 10:52.13 | Kevin` | hmm |
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| 10:52.58 | Kevin` | know what would help, one of those magic phone switch things |
| 10:53.04 | Kevin` | press X for Y |
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| 10:53.38 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Those are called "Expensive Commando Systems". Usually shortened to just "Commando System", then they usually prefix it with "Expensive" |
| 10:53.41 | knxy | Hi all.. how can I do to install complete KDE using aptitude? |
| 10:53.52 | valdyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.15 | knxy | valdyn: only `aptitude install kde` ? yesterday don`t run.. |
| 10:54.23 | Kevin` | expensive bad |
| 10:54.25 | Arafangion | knxy: Define "don`t run" |
| 10:54.28 | Kevin` | free good |
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| 10:54.37 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Sometimes people rephrase as "Expensive second-hand commando system" |
| 10:54.42 | Kevin` | hehe |
| 10:54.48 | valdyn | knxy: do you think 'yesterday don't run' is useful info for me? |
| 10:54.52 | knxy | Arafangion: the X don`t work |
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| 10:55.01 | Arafangion | knxy: Replace your keyboard. |
| 10:55.07 | Arafangion | knxy: CLARIFY!!! |
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| 10:55.26 | valdyn | knxy: X is only required for you to run kde locally, i guess you want to install not just kde, but X too |
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| 10:56.04 | Arafangion | Oh, X11? Sorry, I've got too many windows friends - X always refers to the "little x in the upper right corner". |
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| 10:56.46 | valdyn | Arafangion: 11 is just a version.. |
| 10:56.53 | lanchow | Q: i just bought a hard disk 250Go, then i did 'fdisk /dev/sda', then 'mkfs.ext3 /dev/sda1' and problem : ext2fs_mkdir: Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short read, did i lost my hd ? |
| 10:57.33 | valdyn | lanchow: possibly, but it can be many other reasosn |
| 10:58.12 | Arafangion | valdyn: Perhaps, but it is an excellent disambiguator. |
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| 10:58.43 | knxy | valdyn: Arafangion which packs are necessary to install and work KDE... yesterday I tried `aptitude install kde` it took 400mb and don`t work.. |
| 10:58.48 | Arafangion | valdyn: "X window system" is probably even better, though. |
| 10:58.59 | Arafangion | knxy: Just run tasksel. |
| 10:59.00 | valdyn | knxy: on which debian release? |
| 10:59.10 | TARZEAU | !popcon |
| 10:59.10 | dpkg | hmm... popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 10:59.17 | Arafangion | knxy: And install the "desktop" system - it sets up gnome by default, but it also installs kde. |
| 10:59.25 | knxy | valdyn: sarge |
| 10:59.37 | valdyn | knxy: aptitude install x-window-system-core |
| 10:59.45 | knxy | valdyn: with repositories blackports |
| 11:00.14 | Arafangion | Damn, doesn't HyperTerminal suck? |
| 11:00.26 | valdyn | Arafangion: very much though |
| 11:00.29 | valdyn | Arafangion: very much so |
| 11:01.01 | Arafangion | Does HyperTerminal have any decent replacements on windows? |
| 11:01.04 | knxy | Arafangion: `aptitude install debian-desktop` ? I saw someting similar yesterday |
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| 11:01.25 | Arafangion | knxy: Not sure, I just did tasksel. |
| 11:01.35 | Arafangion | knxy: 'apt-get install kde' should also work. |
| 11:01.40 | valdyn | Arafangion: there's quite a few decent DOS terminal programs, i have no idea which of those will run on win32 |
| 11:01.40 | Arafangion | knxy: I'm a traditionalist. |
| 11:01.47 | Arafangion | valdyn: That's a shame. |
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| 11:01.55 | knxy | Arafangion: ok.. |
| 11:02.07 | knxy | valdyn: Arafangion thanks for all. |
| 11:02.34 | knxy | I`ll run the aptitude |
| 11:04.08 | knxy | Arafangion: valdyn running `aptitude install kde` does it install the `X/Xserver` completely? |
| 11:04.16 | Guerin | no |
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| 11:04.26 | Guerin | because kde doesn't require a local x server |
| 11:04.42 | Guerin | it might haul it in if you have recommends=depends |
| 11:04.57 | Arafangion | knxy: Just run tasksel. |
| 11:05.02 | valdyn | knxy: i told you how to install X, see what Guerin said |
| 11:05.16 | Arafangion | valdyn: Tell him to use tasksel. |
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| 11:08.25 | Yamaraj | Before I start downloading Etch ISOs, I would like to know if there are any installation issues with SATA hard disks and optical drives. |
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| 11:08.49 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Before you start downloading Etch ISO's, realise that you really don't need to. |
| 11:08.55 | Guerin | Yamaraj: 1. yes, there are with sarge, but I don't know about etch. 2. don't download more than one iso. |
| 11:09.13 | Arafangion | I believe Etch is likely to support sata. |
| 11:09.19 | PlasmaHH | hi, with the /etc/apt/preferences, can I somehow also tell apt to never download a specific packet from a specific repo? |
| 11:09.31 | Yamaraj | Since I have to install on more than a few systems, DVDs are better. |
| 11:09.37 | Guerin | it should, yes, but I don't know. |
| 11:09.56 | Guerin | if you have to install on more than a few systems, you're *insane* to use etch |
| 11:10.04 | Guerin | which could break horribly at any time |
| 11:10.08 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Not neccessarily. |
| 11:10.09 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: You can make use of the apt cache. |
| 11:10.12 | Yamaraj | Nah! I would be insane to use Sid. :p |
| 11:10.24 | Guerin | install sarge and use selected backports if you must |
| 11:10.35 | Guerin | no, you'd be *fired* if you used sid |
| 11:10.42 | Yamaraj | lol |
| 11:11.13 | Yamaraj | Which kernel does the latest Etch build use? |
| 11:11.19 | Arafangion | Guerin: Back in the day, I ran a few Sid servers ;) |
| 11:11.20 | Guerin | PlasmaHH: you can. man apt_preferences |
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| 11:11.25 | Arafangion | Guerin: But, that was before I turned 18. |
| 11:11.31 | liable | Yamaraj: 2.6.15 iirc |
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| 11:11.37 | Guerin | Arafangion: and before you had a job you could be fired from? |
| 11:11.41 | Yamaraj | liable, thanks! |
| 11:11.44 | PlasmaHH | Guerin: I can only find ways to tell it to prefer other repos |
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| 11:11.49 | Arafangion | Guerin: Depends on the technicalities. |
| 11:12.01 | Guerin | PlasmaHH: you can pin a given package to 1 |
| 11:12.01 | Arafangion | Guerin: (Family-owned business) |
| 11:12.05 | Guerin | Arafangion: heh |
| 11:12.33 | liable | Yamaraj: sarge supports sata, depends on the chipset of course, you can also get sarge installers with newer kernels (unofficial) |
| 11:12.33 | Arafangion | Guerin: The only Sid server still running is largely downgraded to Sarge. |
| 11:12.40 | Guerin | eep. |
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| 11:13.37 | betgame | think you got what it takes to win? go to http://mldesigners.com/betgame/ to prove your worthiness!! |
| 11:13.44 | Arafangion | How does one test /etc/inittab? |
| 11:13.44 | Yamaraj | BTW, did anyone else have problems with text-mode UIs like aptitude or during 'make menuconfig'? On some systems with nVIDIA cards, borders and menus in such UIs look garbage. |
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| 11:14.29 | blondie | Yamaraj: well... yes |
| 11:14.37 | Guerin | Yamaraj: it's a console/framebuffer/charset thing |
| 11:14.40 | liable | betgame: fuck off |
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| 11:15.03 | Yamaraj | blondie, It was so annoying. Is there any viable solution? I never had this problem with any other distros. |
| 11:15.15 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Only when switching between console and X11. It's related to sharing the same amount of video memory. |
| 11:15.49 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Just use urxvt, or a terminal emulator of your choice. THese days I only use the real console for nethack. |
| 11:16.16 | blondie | Yamaraj: umm, I dunno, I don't use the console much |
| 11:17.10 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Few people really use the console at all unless they can't help it. |
| 11:17.10 | Yamaraj | Hmm...sometimes I like to work on console, and it sure is annoying. And there's no problems when using other emulators. |
| 11:17.15 | liable | Yamaraj: i have similar problems with an ati card. dunno what the fix is.. |
| 11:17.53 | Kevin` | I like to work on the console |
| 11:18.05 | Kevin` | only thing I use X for is to manage xterms and firefox |
| 11:18.20 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Why use the console when you have xterms? |
| 11:18.44 | Kevin` | I don't have to start X then |
| 11:18.54 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, console is good when you don't have/want X installed. |
| 11:19.00 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I only start X once ;) |
| 11:19.01 | Marsmensch | is it possible to define a variable with indexnr in a until command? eg var_$nr="bar" |
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| 11:19.23 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Why would I physically use a computer without X installed? I'd use a remote shell :) |
| 11:19.32 | Kevin` | on my server I don't run X, it just causes trouble |
| 11:19.50 | Arafangion | Marsmensch: Yes, not sure how to do it in perl, though - ask #perl. |
| 11:20.00 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, sometimes I don't even start X on my laptop. Call me weird! :p |
| 11:20.07 | Arafangion | Marsmensch: That could be bash - the Advanced Bash Guide is a very good reference. |
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| 11:20.18 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Well, you're likely to have fewer issues with power management. |
| 11:20.39 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Plus, even if you don't use power management, booting would be very quick :) |
| 11:20.40 | Kevin` | Arafangion if I don't plan on using firefox, I won't start X |
| 11:20.48 | Kevin` | and I usually don't |
| 11:20.49 | Yamaraj | Yeah. |
| 11:21.00 | Arafangion | Kevin`: I don't actually mind links. |
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| 11:21.19 | Kevin` | and by the time I do want it, i'm already doing something like irc in the console, and I don't want to leave |
| 11:21.41 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Just reattach the screen session! :) |
| 11:21.59 | Kevin` | too much work |
| 11:22.37 | Yamaraj | One more annoying problem with console: when the tux/debian logo is enabled in the kernel to appear on boot, the screen there on the upper left side just sits blank, and all the scrolling text disappears in that region. I have had this problem with Arch, Slackware and Debian too. |
| 11:22.41 | Kevin` | that's like.. 10 keys, plus logging in, starting an xterm... |
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| 11:22.58 | Kevin` | I disable the logo |
| 11:23.03 | Kevin` | and usually framebuffer too |
| 11:23.06 | Kevin` | causes problems |
| 11:23.27 | Yamaraj | framebuffer gives nice text resolutions. :) |
| 11:23.32 | Kevin` | does, yes |
| 11:23.41 | Kevin` | it's slower though |
| 11:23.52 | Yamaraj | Slower, it is! |
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| 11:24.11 | linux_manju | . |
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| 11:25.32 | Yamaraj | I'm currently running FC5 on my ThinkPad, but willing to switch to Debian/Ubuntu, since I mostly use Debian everywhere else. Recommendations? |
| 11:25.47 | Kevin` | sure go ahead |
| 11:25.52 | Kevin` | debian testing |
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| 11:26.30 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: I highly recommend really _learning_ a particular distro very well. I'm a Debian guy, though my desktop and Laptops run Ubuntu. |
| 11:26.33 | Yamaraj | Power management stuff works in Debian? |
| 11:26.49 | Kevin` | I recommend learning gnu/linux well, not a distro |
| 11:26.58 | Kevin` | slackware is good for that |
| 11:27.03 | tenzing_ | whats the best game that once can install and play on debian |
| 11:27.05 | Kevin` | but debian has apt goodness :) |
| 11:27.12 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Then, install Solaris on the laptop. |
| 11:27.16 | tenzing_ | s/once/on |
| 11:27.43 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Not as good as Debian, imho (Though, Solaris on Sparc is apparently _very_ nice), but very useful to become very familiar with it. |
| 11:27.50 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, It sits on my desktop. Solaris has yet to implement power management. :( |
| 11:28.03 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Ahh, that's a pity. |
| 11:28.27 | Arafangion | I know. |
| 11:28.28 | Yamaraj | Solaris for SPARC has nice power management, though. |
| 11:29.20 | Kevin` | I like that debian tell me when my computer is about to turn off because the cable got nocked out |
| 11:29.26 | Kevin` | saves time, that |
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| 11:30.07 | Yamaraj | Undoubtedly, Debian is getting better each day. |
| 11:30.10 | eXiSt | hi |
| 11:30.28 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Doesn't help you when the hot-water repairman turns off ALL the power to replace the hotwater system - without letting anyone else know. |
| 11:30.36 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Much. |
| 11:30.46 | Kevin` | Arafangion that's what the UPS is for |
| 11:30.50 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Though, that's mainly because software, in general, is becomming better. |
| 11:30.56 | Arafangion | Kevin`: A UPS only lasts for so long. |
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| 11:31.11 | Kevin` | long enough to yell at the repair man |
| 11:31.14 | Kevin` | hopefully |
| 11:31.27 | Kevin` | and if your a datacenter, long enough to not care |
| 11:31.28 | eXiSt | i have a debian sarge gateway.my local network can go internet via debian. i can connect debian outside.but debian cant go internet itself. |
| 11:31.54 | Arafangion | Kevin`: The windows network doesn't realy send much in the way of notifications of a battery situation. |
| 11:31.54 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, Yeah. Userland is getting better, but can't say much the same about the kernel. |
| 11:31.58 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: The kernel is unfortunate, but it's still better, never-the-less. |
| 11:31.59 | eXiSt | i checked if it is a dns problem but not. i use iproute for routing policies |
| 11:32.03 | Kevin` | Arafangion well that's your fault.. I have it working fine here =p |
| 11:32.15 | Arafangion | Kevin`: :) |
| 11:32.19 | eXiSt | i cant find problem please help me |
| 11:32.46 | Kevin` | what's wrong with the kernel |
| 11:33.33 | Arafangion | Kevin`: We miss the stability. |
| 11:33.40 | Yamaraj | I really hope that Debian will have OpenSolaris as its kernel some day. |
| 11:33.44 | Arafangion | Kevin`: Mind you, it's very stable just the same :) |
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| 11:33.46 | Kevin` | eXiSt that's rather ulikely.. check the firewall rules? |
| 11:34.00 | Kevin` | (if the computer can't reach something, gateway users should't either) |
| 11:34.06 | eXiSt | Kevin` i disabled iptables but it didnt work |
| 11:34.20 | Kevin` | you can't disable iptables |
| 11:34.21 | Kevin` | it's a tool |
| 11:34.36 | eXiSt | i mean flush |
| 11:34.45 | Kevin` | what are the default policies set to |
| 11:35.47 | Kevin` | if say forward was allowed, but input or output weren't, you'd see this behavior |
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| 11:36.36 | KaOzx | :P |
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| 11:37.11 | eXiSt | Kevin` this is firewall rules |
| 11:37.15 | eXiSt | http://pastebin.ca/103593 |
| 11:38.47 | Kevin` | eXiSt add an ESTABLISHED,RELATED rule for input ant output |
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| 11:39.24 | eXiSt | $IPTABLES -A FORWARD -i $EXTIF -o $INTIF -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT |
| 11:39.28 | eXiSt | like this? |
| 11:40.14 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, since you have first hand experience of Ubuntu on laptop, which one do you recommend for my ThinkPad: Debian Etch or Ubuntu? |
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| 11:40.58 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Ubuntu, but be warned, upgrades aren't nearly as nice as Debian. |
| 11:41.29 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Also, I'm very lucky in that my laptop is extremely well supported in linux - your mileage may vary. |
| 11:41.40 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, which laptop? |
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| 11:42.02 | userdir | hi folks |
| 11:42.10 | userdir | it apt-get install postgresql |
| 11:42.23 | Arafangion | Yamaraj: Asus 6V6 |
| 11:42.56 | userdir | now i want to create an initdb.....su'ing to postgres user and removing old data dir, stopping postgresql daemon.....and running initdb segfaults |
| 11:42.59 | userdir | take a look here http://nopaste.php-q.net/228586 |
| 11:43.04 | userdir | for error output |
| 11:43.29 | Yamaraj | Arafangion, hmm. ThinkPads are well known for their Linux compatibility. And I've had no problems with either FC5 or Solaris Express that I installed on it. |
| 11:44.03 | Yamaraj | The only irritating issue is that R52 uses a PATA HDD and Optical driver, but a SATA interface and bridge. |
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| 11:44.59 | liable | Yamaraj: visit thinkwiki |
| 11:45.42 | liable | Yamaraj: theres not many things that dont work with linux and thinkpads |
| 11:45.45 | Yamaraj | liable, it's one of my favorite sites. |
| 11:45.47 | liable | even new ones |
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| 11:47.41 | Yamaraj | Amazingly, Solaris Express detected all supported hardware and worked nice on my ThinkPad. that's credible given the number of hardware device supported by Solaris. |
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| 11:52.44 | ariser | Hi all. |
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| 11:54.32 | Zap-W | shouldnt forcedeth be in Ethernet (10 or 100Mbit) ?? why dont i see it there |
| 11:54.54 | ariser | Can anyone tell me the proper way to enter aliases for kernel modules (e.g. e1000 = eth0 and via_rhine = eth1) when using kernel 2.6.15 on a debian system? |
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| 12:04.59 | chol | hello, I probably haven't read properly but is there a problem with ftp2.de.debian.org? |
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| 12:06.10 | chol | it gives me a badsig gpg after mirroring against it |
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| 12:09.52 | agney | the badblock command returned me some numbers. is this numbers superblocks or badblocks ? |
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| 12:21.41 | Hotwire | hi, could anyone give me an outline to what is required to install a usb wireless network adaptor in sarge (linux drivers do exist as i'm using it on unbuntu now) |
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| 12:23.31 | prog | hello to all |
| 12:23.45 | chol | Hotwire, find what module handles it in ubuntu and build it on the debian box |
| 12:24.01 | Werdna | yes. |
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| 12:24.49 | chol | Hotwire, you know, a little lspci here, some lsmod there |
| 12:25.02 | chol | err, lsusb :) |
| 12:25.19 | Hotwire | right |
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| 12:28.53 | chol | Hotwire, you could try, with the adapter configured, (lsmod;lsusb) > plugged_in;<remove adapter>;(lsmod;lsusb) > ripped_out;diff -u plugged_in ripped_out, and should hopefully tell the relevant bits |
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| 12:32.40 | Hotwire | chol, nice one, i didn't know about diff or lsmod |
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| 12:37.35 | Hotwire | chol, http://pastebin.it/1789 is the output from the diff command, i'm still not really sure which module that the adaptor is using |
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| 12:38.23 | Rinnt | Can anyone point me in the right direction to get a print server setup? It doesn't need to integrate wtih Windows. Just accept print jobs from the network and forward to attached dot matrix.... |
| 12:38.33 | chol | Hotwire, me neither, why is that network adapter using the sound modules |
| 12:39.17 | Hotwire | i'm pretty new to linux, i get the basic stuff |
| 12:39.24 | Hotwire | but stuff like this just confuses me |
| 12:39.33 | chol | Hotwire, but you see on the lines with +- that there are some things that differ don't you? |
| 12:39.40 | ktwilight | Rinnt, tried the docs at debian-administration.org? |
| 12:39.55 | chol | linux isn't hard, you just need to not overthink it |
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| 12:40.10 | ktwilight | :/ |
| 12:40.10 | chol | it often more straight forward than you might think |
| 12:40.37 | ktwilight | that's kinda degrading |
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| 12:40.48 | chol | Hotwire, but you follow me on where the differences are in the that diff atleast? |
| 12:40.54 | Hotwire | yes |
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| 12:41.14 | Rinnt | ktwilight, no not yet. I guess what I'm trying to do at this ponit is determine what method I should be researching... should I be looking at CUPS? Another program, etc? |
| 12:41.16 | Hotwire | i'm just not sure why those lines differ |
| 12:41.25 | Hotwire | all i did was pull out the usb cable |
| 12:41.51 | ktwilight | i commonly hear CUPS, Rinnt. i personally haven't set up printer yet. but i have saw some good docs at debian-administration.org |
| 12:41.57 | chol | Hotwire, well, I couldn't have imagined that, you see the ones prefixed snd_, would be affected |
| 12:42.31 | chol | Hotwire, perhaps it's not a module then although that to sounds weird |
| 12:42.50 | chol | Hotwire, but atleast you know it's a belkin F5D6050 |
| 12:43.09 | Rinnt | ktwilight, alright I'll keep looking. I 've tried plenty of google searching but all that comes up is windows print server setups (on linux of course) |
| 12:43.20 | chol | Hotwire, now you could read up on compiling kernels a bit and then look for it the config |
| 12:43.44 | czekisto | hi. i have installed nvidia driver using module assistand doing everything as it was said in manual. It looks like it load properitle when using modprobe nvidia, however when i run startx it returns me it couldn't load module nvidia. what should i do? |
| 12:43.46 | Hotwire | :S i was afraid that someone would tell me to do that |
| 12:44.04 | chol | Hotwire, :) |
| 12:44.05 | ctx144k | hello all, anybody instelled vmware5.5 on debian-sarge with backport-kernel 2.6.16-2-686-smp ? |
| 12:44.11 | ktwilight | google isn't that great sometimes. :/ just go ahead to debian-administration.org they really have worthwhile stuff :) |
| 12:44.23 | ktwilight | read hte comments especially, they may contain really good stuff! |
| 12:44.29 | chol | Hotwire, i believe that kerneltrap.org has some good guides, aswell as ubuntu |
| 12:44.51 | Hotwire | chol, thanks very much for your help |
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| 12:45.03 | Hotwire | i'll spend some more time reading around :) |
| 12:45.06 | ctx144k | at installation the vmware-programs coudlnt find the correct header-files (founded kernel-header-2.6.16 misstaached with running kernel-version 2-6-16-2-686smp) |
| 12:45.22 | chol | Hotwire, np man, hope you get it to work, google for you usb adapter and linux, perhaps there are some hints there to |
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| 12:45.45 | ctx144k | with kernel 2.6.8-2 i havent any problems with the installation |
| 12:45.45 | Hotwire | chol, that was my 1st idea, it doesn't give great results |
| 12:46.03 | cydork | Hotwire: which adapter are you using?? |
| 12:46.12 | liable | ctx144k: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 12:46.28 | Hotwire | cydork, Belkin F5D6050 802.11b Adapter |
| 12:47.58 | chol | Hotwire, you know, worst case, you could just take the /boot/config-`uname -r` from ubuntu and copy it to the kernel source dir as .config and go from there |
| 12:48.15 | chol | don't forget to do a make oldconfig before you make menuconfig |
| 12:48.25 | ctx144k | liable: ok and then i told vmware the follow path? /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2/include/ ? |
| 12:48.26 | chol | Hotwire, and there is a make help too ;) |
| 12:49.38 | Hotwire | chol, i may well try that |
| 12:49.45 | Hotwire | it seems like a good soluton |
| 12:49.59 | liable | ctx144k: i would imagine it would find it itself (usually /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build links to the headers |
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| 12:51.34 | cydork | !tell Hotwire about ndiswrapper |
| 12:51.49 | chol | ofc.. |
| 12:51.54 | cydork | !tell Hotwire about ndiswrapper one-liner |
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| 12:52.38 | Hotwire | nice one cydork |
| 12:52.51 | ctx144k | ok ill try it |
| 12:53.11 | Hotwire | thanks again for all the help guys |
| 12:53.24 | Hotwire | you have been a great deal of help (yet again :D) |
| 12:53.47 | chol | another linux user one is another step towards freedom :) |
| 12:53.52 | chol | won.. |
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| 13:04.56 | ctx144k | hmmm, "the kernel defined by this directory of header files does not have the same adress space size as your running kernel" |
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| 13:05.15 | ctx144k | fuck |
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| 13:06.54 | oxez | Hi, I just upgraded my kernel (from a fresh etch install) to 2.6.16-k7. When I try to launch X, it tells me that /dev/input/mice doesn't not exist.. and X is right.. How can I bring back those files in /dev ?! |
| 13:10.14 | liable | ctx144k: what command did you use? |
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| 13:13.47 | ctx144k | liable: ./vmware-install.pl |
| 13:14.15 | ctx144k | and after some questions the programm asks me where it could find my kernel-headers |
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| 13:16.06 | ctx144k | and if i let him the default (/usr/src/linux/include/), the programms told "the directoy heraders (version 2.6.16) does not match your running kernel (2.6.16-2-686) |
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| 13:16.13 | liable | ctx144k: and what path did you give it? look at ls -l /lib/modules/2.6.16-2-686-smp/build/ |
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| 13:16.31 | liable | ctx144k: links to the necessary headers, as i said |
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| 13:16.37 | ctx144k | /usr/src/linux is a link to /usr/src/linux-source-2.6.16 |
| 13:17.05 | liable | ctx144k: unless you have made the headers for that source, then it wont work.. |
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| 13:17.36 | liable | ctx144k: to use the source you need to copy the config over and make prepare |
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| 13:17.41 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 13:17.45 | ctx144k | i had |
| 13:17.46 | dazjorz | About the Eminent em4046 card |
| 13:17.50 | dazjorz | it has a Sparklan chipset |
| 13:17.55 | dazjorz | does that support monitoring mode? |
| 13:17.59 | ctx144k | and i had compile my own kernel via make bzImage |
| 13:18.11 | ctx144k | (but havent installed) |
| 13:18.45 | liable | ctx144k: why dont you just give it the oath i gave you? |
| 13:18.50 | liable | path |
| 13:18.55 | liable | not oath... |
| 13:19.06 | ctx144k | u mean /lib/.. |
| 13:19.09 | liable | yes |
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| 13:19.18 | ctx144k | at that ptah vmware told me the follow |
| 13:19.46 | ctx144k | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.46 | ctx144k | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:19.53 | ctx144k | uppps |
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| 13:22.14 | ctx144k | but the link /lib/modules/2.6.16-2/build is korrekt to /usr/src/linux-headers-2.6.16-2/ |
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| 13:22.40 | dazjorz | liable: Linux is working again, I flashed back to a03 |
| 13:22.54 | dazjorz | liable: I also got the name (but not the version) of the chipset, it's SparkLAN |
| 13:23.04 | dazjorz | liable: do you know if there are any drivers for that? |
| 13:23.08 | dazjorz | dpkg: sparklan |
| 13:23.10 | dazjorz | ,, |
| 13:23.11 | dazjorz | mm* |
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| 13:23.29 | liable | dazjorz: never heard of it :( |
| 13:24.07 | dazjorz | liable: have any idea where to find something? |
| 13:24.43 | liable | dazjorz: you are the one who I thought didnt have the card in the laptop? |
| 13:26.25 | dazjorz | liable: Yeah, and I bought a pcmcia card |
| 13:26.57 | liable | dazjorz: doh! why didnt you buy a supported one? i think your best bet would be ndiswrapper |
| 13:27.13 | dazjorz | liable: Because I just went to the shop and got a recommended one |
| 13:27.27 | liable | dazjorz: recommended for linux? |
| 13:27.33 | dazjorz | liable: didn't ask |
| 13:27.38 | dazjorz | liable: but it's supposed to work in linux |
| 13:27.41 | liable | !slap dazjorz |
| 13:27.52 | dazjorz | liable: i called the shop and they said it should work on linux |
| 13:27.55 | liable | dazjorz: look at ndiswrapper |
| 13:27.58 | dazjorz | I needed to get "sparklan" drivers |
| 13:28.10 | dazjorz | liable: already did that, but ndiswrapper doesn't support monitoring mode |
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| 13:29.18 | liable | dazjorz: i havent ever heard of it, i guess google is your friend |
| 13:29.29 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, but it doesn't give a lot of interesting stuff |
| 13:29.31 | coywolf | is xen support merged in mainline kernel or is it only debian add-on? |
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| 13:31.50 | dazjorz | God no! |
| 13:31.52 | dazjorz | No no no! |
| 13:31.56 | dazjorz | >:( |
| 13:32.06 | dazjorz | Gonna call the eminent helpdesk then |
| 13:32.27 | coywolf | !xen |
| 13:32.27 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, xen is an open source virtual machine monitor, developed by the University of Cambridge. It is intended to run up to 100 full featured OSs on a single computer. Operating systems must be explicitly modified ("ported") to run on Xen (although compatibility is maintained for user applications). This enables Xen to achieve high performance virtualization without special hardware support. try #debian-xen on oftc.net |
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| 13:34.39 | dazjorz | liable: lol |
| 13:34.45 | dazjorz | liable: the guy at the shop said it was a sparklan |
| 13:34.59 | dazjorz | liable: but the eminent help desk says broadcom 43xx |
| 13:35.23 | dazjorz | liable: lspci says: 0000:02:00.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4306 802.11b/g Wireless LAN Controller (rev 03) |
| 13:36.08 | dazjorz | aww crapshit |
| 13:36.16 | dazjorz | there are no linux drivers for that, i'm going to have to use ndiswrapper |
| 13:36.24 | dazjorz | and ndiswrapper doesn't support monitoring mode >_, |
| 13:36.25 | dazjorz | >_<** |
| 13:37.06 | infernixx | there's something strange going on. if i cdebootstrap sarge on /mnt and i enter the chroot to do base-config, for some reason it'll autoselect testing packages when it comes down to picking an apt debian mirror. |
| 13:37.26 | infernixx | any ideas why? isnt it supposed to pick sarge, since i debootstrapped sarge and not testing? |
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| 13:38.14 | dazjorz | infernixx: environment variables? |
| 13:38.23 | ktwilight | find . -group !root -exec chown www-data:www-data {} \; <- does that sentence make any sense? |
| 13:38.34 | dazjorz | your running shell is probably still testing |
| 13:38.41 | ktwilight | especially the ! before root |
| 13:39.02 | liable | dazjorz: um, iirc, broadcoms were included in the 2.6.17 kernel.. google |
| 13:39.02 | infernixx | dazjorz, there's nothing in 'set' pointing to etch or testing |
| 13:39.29 | chol | ktwilight, ! -group root |
| 13:39.55 | ktwilight | so it reads as find any file/directory that's not root, yea? |
| 13:40.13 | chol | ktwilight, that doesn't have root as group |
| 13:40.24 | ktwilight | oh yea, sorry, that's right :) |
| 13:40.25 | ktwilight | thanks! |
| 13:40.31 | chol | np |
| 13:40.41 | dazjorz | liable: I have 2.6.8... can I update within debian? |
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| 13:41.33 | liable | dazjorz: that one might only be supported by ndiswrapper actually.. :( |
| 13:41.51 | dazjorz | liable: i'll first try to get that driver then |
| 13:41.58 | dazjorz | liable: if it still doesn't work i'll call the shop to get a new one |
| 13:42.15 | dazjorz | liable: how to get the 2.6.17 kernel? |
| 13:43.03 | Rothgar` | Hmm |
| 13:43.18 | Rothgar` | On boot after my MySQL daemon attempts to start I get an error: |
| 13:43.24 | liable | dazjorz: http://bcm43xx.berlios.de/ |
| 13:43.35 | liable | dazjorz: learn to google! |
| 13:43.44 | dazjorz | liable: yeah, probably |
| 13:43.48 | Rothgar` | Access denied for user 'debian-sys-maint'@'localhost' (using password: YES) |
| 13:44.09 | Rothgar` | Is that a system user trying to access MySQL? If so where is the password stored? |
| 13:45.22 | infernixx | in /etc/mysql/debian.cnf |
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| 13:45.41 | dazjorz | liable: I can't find any download link on that page, so going to try upgrading to 2.6.17-rc2 |
| 13:46.47 | the_mug | how can I upgrade my db.h and libdb packages to the latest? |
| 13:47.09 | infernixx | the_mug, apt-get update && apt-get upgrade |
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| 13:48.08 | the_mug | infernix: hmmm I tried that. :-/ can I somehow force it? |
| 13:48.31 | infernixx | the_mug: if theres no updates you already have the latest version. but try and describe the problem you have. |
| 13:48.41 | liable | dazjorz: you get it from svn.. svn checkout svn://svn.berlios.de/bcm43xx/trunk/sprom |
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| 13:48.55 | dazjorz | eww, svn |
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| 13:50.09 | liable | dazjorz: dude, just poke around on that web site, you'll find something.... |
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| 13:55.10 | fresch | is there a way to get to the testing dvd jigdo files at this time? |
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| 13:58.15 | the_mug | infernix: I've downloaded bdb (source)... compiled and all.. bdb is a requirement of rbot... but when I run rbot it says: BDB needs compatible versions of libdb & db.h you have db.h version 3.2.9 and libdb version 4.3.27 |
| 13:59.31 | dazjorz | errr |
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| 13:59.50 | dazjorz | d80211 wants to install in /lib/modules/2.6.8-2-386 |
| 13:59.53 | liable | wtf, i just rsynced a dir, i can see a new file with mc, but not with ls -l .. ?? |
| 13:59.55 | dazjorz | but my kernel version is 2.6.8-3-386 |
| 14:00.14 | liable | dazjorz: get kernel-headers for that kernel |
| 14:01.19 | dazjorz | liable: many many errors in make |
| 14:01.26 | dazjorz | "dereferencing pointers to incomplete file blah |
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| 14:01.36 | dazjorz | s/file/type/ |
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| 14:02.48 | dazjorz | errr |
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| 14:03.02 | the_mug | how can I revert and apt-get update/upgrade ?? :-/ |
| 14:03.03 | dazjorz | liable: "#error Invalid kernel version" |
| 14:03.41 | dazjorz | liable: "#error Crypto AES not supported in kernel" |
| 14:04.11 | dazjorz | liable: oh bugger it _needs_ 2.6.17 |
| 14:04.20 | dazjorz | liable: how do I get that in debian? it's probably not in the repositories |
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| 14:05.08 | dazjorz | liable: oh, only unstable |
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| 14:06.49 | dazjorz | are there unstable security updates too? |
| 14:07.03 | dazjorz | deb http://security.debian.org/ unstable/updates main contrib #doesn't work |
| 14:07.35 | dazjorz | dpkg unstable |
| 14:07.35 | dpkg | from memory, unstable is the status of a Debian release when packages can be added to the system at any time that might disrupt the integrity of the whole system! Ask me about <break>. not supported here, in general. It's also newspeak for not stable. If you have to ask whether you should use it or how, you shouldn't. apt-get install apt-listbugs (!) See testing. see sid. see sid faq. |
| 14:07.59 | dazjorz | dpkg sid |
| 14:07.59 | dpkg | the unstable version of Debian. Commonly [and wrongly] backronymed Still In Development. It's actually named for the destructive neighbour kid in Toy Story. Ask me about unstable. Do not use sid unless you have the skill to find your way out of the mess that broken packages may put you in. It will never be released. |
| 14:08.04 | dazjorz | dpkg etch |
| 14:08.04 | dpkg | well, etch is the codename for Debian 4.0, the release to follow sarge, currently testing. see http://www.debian.org/releases/etch/. Installation CDs, other media, and everything else you'll need are available from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer |
| 14:08.20 | liable | dazjorz: i dont think backports even has 2.6.17, you'll prolly have to compile it |
| 14:08.23 | Rothgar` | How can I destory broken packages? |
| 14:09.45 | the_mug | I'm getting this GPG error when I update...Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' .... how can I fix it? |
| 14:10.09 | dazjorz | liable: testing has kernel-kbuild-2.6.17 |
| 14:10.12 | dazjorz | liable: how do I build that? |
| 14:10.17 | dazjorz | liable: is it in a certain directory? |
| 14:10.22 | dn4 | pwning noobies, with big breasted boobies |
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| 14:14.13 | dazjorz | dpkg 2.6.17 |
| 14:14.14 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 14:14.17 | dazjorz | gah |
| 14:14.20 | dazjorz | dpkg compile kernel |
| 14:14.20 | dpkg | To compile a kernel The Debian Way(tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev" and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz; You should also ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra' |
| 14:14.29 | HuK0B | hi how I can make vsftpd to use utf-8 to deal with cyrillic files ? |
| 14:14.35 | dazjorz | dpkg make-kpkg |
| 14:14.35 | dpkg | well, make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 14:15.00 | the_mug | where can I reset my GPG stuff? |
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| 14:15.11 | azeem | the_mug: what GPG stuff? |
| 14:15.20 | waiting | the_mug: mv .gpg .gpg-dontuse |
| 14:15.21 | the_mug | I'm getting this GPG error when I update...Couldn't access keyring: 'No such file or directory' .... how can I fix it? |
| 14:15.39 | the_mug | lol WHERE are these .gpg files? |
| 14:15.42 | drasko | how to see on which machine and disc is some directory? |
| 14:15.44 | waiting | the_mug: in your ~ |
| 14:15.54 | the_mug | as root? |
| 14:16.07 | waiting | the_mug: dunno :O) every user has own ones |
| 14:16.07 | liable | dazjorz: you can /msg dpkg foo .. rather than spamming the channel |
| 14:16.08 | the_mug | :: running updatedb :: to locate them all |
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| 14:17.12 | waiting | the_mug: ohh sorry, it's ~/.gnupg |
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| 14:18.16 | the_mug | waiting: the error is when I do a apt-get update :-/ |
| 14:18.21 | waiting | the_mug: it's better not to delete that stuff but move it away to somewhere until you know what the problem ist. then you can attempt a second setup |
| 14:18.25 | HuK0B | can anybody help me with vsftpd? |
| 14:18.34 | drasko | how to see on which machine and disc is some directory? |
| 14:18.35 | waiting | the_mug: ah |
| 14:18.41 | the_mug | waiting: right it's in tmp right now |
| 14:18.50 | waiting | the_mug: see /topic |
| 14:18.59 | dazjorz | liable: could you tell me how to get && compile kernel 2.6.17 ? |
| 14:19.09 | dazjorz | liable: without changing to unstable? |
| 14:19.37 | the_mug | 2006 key? |
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| 14:20.43 | relcor | Hey.. I setup spamassassin on my vps and wanted to let it learn what's spam and what's not using "/usr/bin/nice /usr/bin/sa-learn --ham --dir /home/vmail/bla.com/bla/cur" every night via cron. Unfortunately other processes are killed, because sa-learn takes too much memory (I've got 240 MB from which about 120 MB are free). Any suggestions? |
| 14:21.09 | waiting | relcor: increase disk swap |
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| 14:21.54 | liable | dazjorz: no, i am not going to go through how to compile a kernel with you. but google, and debian.org has information on the subject. Its way to long a thhing to explain over irc, beside, you need to fail a couple of times before you appreciate it :) |
| 14:21.58 | sander | dpkg-buildpackage builds a debian source package from scratch.. is it possible to make dpkg-buildpackage not delete already compiled binaries in this package.. so it dosnt take so much time to rebuild a package.. if just a few files have changed? |
| 14:22.00 | relcor | waiting: there's no swap and i'm not allowed to create a swap partiton on the vps |
| 14:22.12 | the_mug | waiting: now I get: when I run the 2006 gpg key command: gpg: relocation error: /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5: undefined symbol: BC |
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| 14:22.24 | waiting | the_mug: 8) |
| 14:22.36 | RichiH | what is the name of these: '<' and '>'? |
| 14:22.49 | waiting | the_mug: you can upgrade your system even if the gpg key is not found IMHO |
| 14:23.13 | LoRez | RichiH: less than and greater than? |
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| 14:23.42 | RichiH | LoRez: don't they have real names like normal, curly and square? |
| 14:23.53 | LoRez | angle brackets? |
| 14:24.05 | the_mug | waiting: this is my dev box and I can redo it in a jiffy... but I want to know what may have caused this. any ideas? |
| 14:24.16 | peppet | relcor: can you use a swap file? |
| 14:24.27 | LoRez | RichiH: maybe they're called by name in the smtp RFC |
| 14:24.32 | LoRez | or email |
| 14:24.34 | waiting | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.43 | waiting | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.46 | waiting | :O) |
| 14:25.20 | LoRez | hah |
| 14:25.43 | waiting | thats from UCS database |
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| 14:29.59 | dazjorz | argh |
| 14:30.01 | RichiH | waiting: ok, ok ;) |
| 14:30.11 | RichiH | they do have names in german :/ |
| 14:30.12 | dazjorz | I can't even find the _files_ for 2.6.17 on the mirror i'm using |
| 14:30.20 | RichiH | but that explains why i did not find any name on google |
| 14:30.30 | dazjorz | liable: would it work to download the kernels' source in unstable to stable, then compile that? |
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| 14:32.09 | dazjorz | just |
| 14:32.15 | dazjorz | where can I download the 2.6.17 source?! |
| 14:33.12 | HuK0B | kernel.org |
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| 14:34.03 | liable | dazjorz: prolly better of to get it from kernel.org |
| 14:34.16 | fresch | there isn't a way to get the jigdo-files for etch? |
| 14:34.31 | fresch | i tried the official page, and it's broken |
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| 14:35.20 | dazjorz | liable: Yeah, doing that now |
| 14:35.28 | dazjorz | downloading full soruce for 2.6.17-7 |
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| 14:39.36 | waiting | RichiH: what names? :) |
| 14:40.05 | waiting | RichiH: like, "Horst" and "Egon"? |
| 14:40.15 | waiting | ^^ |
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| 14:46.52 | knxy | I`m install kde with `aptitude install kde`.. but it isn`t work.. the xserver is required.. so I`m installing xserver-xorg.. is it right? |
| 14:46.58 | _stev_ | I use the 386 kernel on a intel pentium M 1.7Ghz, should I use the 686 kernel, or should I keep my kernel? |
| 14:47.25 | Kevin` | aptitude needs X.. use apt-get instead |
| 14:47.39 | liable | knxy: install 'xorg' (will pull in required things) |
| 14:47.43 | liable | knxy: what? |
| 14:47.47 | liable | Kevin`: ^^ |
| 14:48.15 | liable | Kevin`: aptitude doesnt need x at all |
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| 14:48.44 | waiting | synaptic needs X :) |
| 14:48.45 | chjunior | people, somebody can help-me? my sources.list is http://paste.plone.org/7618, but, when I list the linux-image in apt-cache, I can't find linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64, and when I do it by the debian/pacackes website, this package is there! |
| 14:49.01 | Shadowcat | chjunior: apt-get update |
| 14:49.17 | chjunior | Shadowcat, keep don't working |
| 14:49.44 | waiting | chjunior: watch the output of apt-get update for errors? |
| 14:50.08 | waiting | network down, server h4ngs |
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| 14:50.59 | chjunior | waiting, there isn't any error =/ |
| 14:51.20 | waiting | o O |
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| 14:52.58 | HoNgOuRu | could I get some help installing a printer? |
| 14:53.48 | chjunior | waiting, some idea? |
| 14:54.43 | waiting | chjunior: I'm on unstable :PPP |
| 14:55.27 | stew | chjunior: apt-cache search linux-image-2.6.16 |
| 14:55.52 | chjunior | waiting, correct me if i'm wrong.... but, can be the architeture? because I did'nt installed my debian using the amd64 distribution, now i'm trying to change..... maybe I got to change the lbic first or something like this |
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| 14:56.37 | chjunior | stew, http://paste.plone.org/7620 |
| 14:56.46 | waiting | !2.6.16 |
| 14:56.46 | dpkg | 2.6 |
| 14:56.53 | waiting | dpkg: p0rk ;) |
| 14:57.00 | chjunior | stew, , correct me if i'm wrong.... but, can be the architeture? because I did'nt installed my debian using the amd64 distribution, now i'm trying to change..... maybe I got to change the lbic first or something like this |
| 14:57.22 | waiting | !linux-image-2.6.16 |
| 14:57.33 | waiting | futile attempt ^^ |
| 14:58.09 | chjunior | waiting, what |
| 14:58.10 | stew | chjunior: oh you are looking for a k8 kernel? |
| 14:58.21 | stew | chjunior: or are you talking about changing your userland to 64 bits? |
| 14:58.26 | chjunior | yeah! k8 or generic amd64 |
| 14:58.31 | waiting | stew: probably both |
| 14:58.43 | chjunior | stew, waiting, yeah, both |
| 14:58.55 | stew | chjunior: to change userland you need to reinstall |
| 14:59.01 | stew | chjunior: or chroot install |
| 14:59.14 | chjunior | stew, chroot install? |
| 14:59.24 | waiting | that's a tricky one :) |
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| 15:00.17 | stew | chjunior: /msg dpkg chroot install ; /msg dpkg debootstrap |
| 15:00.56 | stew | chjunior: linux-image-2.6.16-2-amd64-k8 is on packages.debian.org but its for amd64 not for i386 which is why you aren't finding it with apt-cache search |
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| 15:02.32 | chjunior | stew, hum.... I see...... but, I have a big problem..... when I installed the amd64 distribution, when I tried to install any software, it says that he can't find..... are the repositories the same? |
| 15:03.20 | stew | chjunior: they are now, they weren't a few months ago |
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| 15:04.16 | chjunior | stew, hum......some 2 or 3 months ago? |
| 15:04.22 | RichiH | waiting: spitze klammern, aka pointy brackets |
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| 15:04.58 | stew | chjunior: i dont' remember, probably a little more than that |
| 15:05.06 | chol | so.. what's up with ftp2.de.debian.org? |
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| 15:05.40 | stew | chol: can you be more specific? |
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| 15:06.32 | chol | stew, sure, when I mirror against it, it results in a bagsig when update'ing |
| 15:07.01 | chjunior | stew, good! :D |
| 15:07.15 | chjunior | stew, I'll try it! thank you a lot!!! |
| 15:07.30 | chjunior | stew, can you just gives me a little help with another thing? |
| 15:07.35 | fresch | is there no way to get the dvd jigdo files at this time? |
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| 15:08.52 | _stev_ | is there a lot difference between the x86 kernels? |
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| 15:09.57 | megaissues | how do I set debian testing in order to be UTF 8 from Console? |
| 15:10.07 | chol | stew, you know if there's a way I can verify what's broken so I can report it? |
| 15:10.22 | chol | stew, saw something about a "mirror split" but i'm not sure as to what it means |
| 15:10.35 | megaissues | Fluxbox can't start because of some weird locale issues although X and startx comes up good |
| 15:10.48 | salicyl | i use irssi for irc. when i use "/msg somebody bla" why the msg in't print on my screen? |
| 15:11.02 | fresch | are there any mirrors what-so-ever that still host the jigdo files for debian etch dvd? |
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| 15:12.03 | fresch | megaissues, dpkg-reconfigure locale, then login again, should be utf-8 then |
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| 15:12.27 | megaissues | fresch: thanks locale or locales? I did locales |
| 15:12.36 | fresch | megaissues, dpkg-reconfigure locale brings up a dialog, select utf-8 there |
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| 15:12.49 | fresch | megaissues, it's just locale without "s" |
| 15:13.08 | megaissues | weird because I did locales and it's doing locales... |
| 15:13.14 | megaissues | I'll try locale afterwards |
| 15:13.29 | munkay | salicyl: /j #irssi |
| 15:13.45 | megaissues | fresch: how about Console keyboard? How can I fix that? everything is wrong however X has the correct layout |
| 15:14.06 | megaissues | fresch: for X I just went into xorg.config but I don't know how to change this for console |
| 15:14.09 | megaissues | thanks |
| 15:14.09 | salicyl | munkay: thx, will try it now |
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| 15:14.49 | fresch | megaissues, i *think* it was dpkg-reconfigure console-tools or console-data |
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| 15:15.16 | megaissues | fresch: I'll try this right now thanks :-) |
| 15:16.25 | chol | stew, and #debian-mirrors is idle even regarding to google hits :) |
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| 15:19.52 | cast | what do you guys think, AMD X2 3800, or Intel Conroe E6300? |
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| 15:20.10 | cast | the amd is 250AUD, conroe 325AUD |
| 15:20.27 | Devill | Intel |
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| 15:21.01 | cast | i'm not happy paying that much for a cpu though |
| 15:21.10 | cast | my last cpu was 150AUD |
| 15:21.16 | salicyl | no, with /j i can join a channel but not a user. i think so. |
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| 15:22.25 | Devill | If you have a good cpu you must pay |
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| 15:24.35 | stew | chol: i'm asking around |
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| 15:25.10 | chol | stew, adam in #d-m heard it was just broken, thanks anyway |
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| 15:25.29 | Devill | ok |
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| 15:26.06 | chol | stew, not much to do i guess, i'm mirroring against another one, until I get that darn GBe link connected and can apply for push primary :) |
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| 15:26.38 | hejux | does anyone have a conroe ? |
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| 15:26.41 | chol | thanks all, gtg |
| 15:26.56 | Fox | hejux: it's been released yesterday :) |
| 15:27.19 | peder_ | I am trying to boot my debian box, but it just says GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB, and never ends.. Any idea how I can recover this? |
| 15:27.46 | hejux | is conroe really powful ? better then FX ? |
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| 15:28.15 | cast | the conroe would be 10% faster |
| 15:28.17 | cast | mmm |
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| 15:29.06 | fresch | there are NO recent etch dvd jigdo-files anywhere... or at least i can't find any... |
| 15:29.12 | hejux | 10% faster than FX or PD ? |
| 15:29.21 | Ronin | fresch: so do a n-i |
| 15:29.22 | Hoxzer | HUOH |
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| 15:30.09 | fresch | Ronin, yes, and i just spend all that time googling for etch dvd files for the fun of it... |
| 15:30.32 | Ronin | the n-i is one little mini cd, you could have been up and runnign by now :) |
| 15:30.42 | fresch | Ronin, i'm looking for them, because i have no internet at home... so a netinstall won't do... |
| 15:30.57 | Ronin | no net at home? talk about living in the sticks ;) |
| 15:31.16 | Ronin | tried not using jigdo? |
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| 15:31.42 | tummyacid | ive got a riddle for you guys! |
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| 15:32.07 | tummyacid | i have a machine that only boots from usb, the cdrom refuses to boot no matter what i do |
| 15:32.14 | fresch | Ronin, yeah, i was just googling for "index of /debian/" +etch +dvd |
| 15:32.25 | Ronin | fresch: http://www.debian.org/CD/torrent-cd/ |
| 15:32.30 | tummyacid | how can i install linux? so far all the usb install guides say i need to have linux already running |
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| 15:32.54 | stew | !usb-install |
| 15:32.54 | dpkg | hmm... usb-install is Yes, it is possible to boot Debian (sarge) from a USB stick (commonly referred to as a thumbdrive or usb key, among others) as long as your computer BIOS can boot from usb: http://d-i.pascal.at/ |
| 15:33.11 | tummyacid | excellant page, im looking at it now |
| 15:33.13 | fresch | Ronin, that page isn't there either |
| 15:33.21 | hejux | no other OS on your machine ? |
| 15:33.23 | tummyacid | but i dont have linux running yet so i cant use zcat |
| 15:33.25 | Ronin | fresch: page isnt where? |
| 15:33.28 | fresch | Ronin, it just gives me an empty page |
| 15:33.49 | stew | tummyacid: you must be able to find something that can decompress a gzipped image |
| 15:34.00 | tummyacid | well an old version of linux is on it, but apartently it can onloy access ip addresses on the local net |
| 15:34.11 | hejux | boot your pc from usb to DOS and install debian from network |
| 15:34.29 | tummyacid | i think i can manage that, and then spew the contents onto a formatted usb stick? |
| 15:34.37 | fresch | Ronin, actually ANY of the links on that page send me to an empty page. same for the jigdo page |
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| 15:34.59 | hejux | i have a way ! |
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| 15:35.08 | scorn | stew: you around? |
| 15:35.09 | grendal | anyone aware of a way to set an ssl certificate valid date to for like 30 years? |
| 15:35.21 | Ronin | fresch: then be patient as obviously they are having problems |
| 15:35.22 | stew | scorn: ? |
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| 15:35.41 | scorn | stew: I was talking to you yesterday about usb devices. |
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| 15:35.43 | Ronin | fresch: ftp? |
| 15:35.45 | fresch | Ronin: yeah, i guessed as much... |
| 15:35.58 | grendal_prime | that was werid |
| 15:36.08 | grendal_prime | let me try that again as this user... |
| 15:36.16 | fresch | Ronin, well, since all else fails ftp will do |
| 15:36.25 | hejux | download the neccesary files such as linux initrd.gz to the usb flash disk , make your flash disk can be boot to DOS ,use grub for dos to install debian from internet ! this is very effective way ! |
| 15:36.28 | grendal_prime | anyone know of a way to create an ssl cert with a valid time of like 30 years |
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| 15:37.32 | scorn | stew: had another quick question for you. Been noticing my digital camera at home has been unusable using kamera. Trying to add the camera using kcontrol causes the module to crash. Wondering if you think this has anything to do with what was going on yesterday. I can however access the camera with gtkam. |
| 15:37.35 | Fox | grendal_prime: create your own certification autority :) |
| 15:37.51 | stew | scorn: which "module" is crashing? |
| 15:37.51 | hejux | <tummyacid> download the neccesary files such as linux initrd.gz to the usb flash disk , make your flash disk can be boot to DOS ,use grub for dos to install debian from internet ! this is very effective way ! |
| 15:37.55 | tummyacid | thank you hejux |
| 15:38.08 | grendal_prime | fox ok... |
| 15:38.12 | grendal_prime | sounds good |
| 15:38.25 | scorn | KDE Control Digital Camera module |
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| 15:38.31 | grendal_prime | im pretty sure thats the direction im heading |
| 15:38.33 | hejux | i always do it like that :) , nope |
| 15:39.02 | elias_ | is there a way to find out which PHP script sent a certain mail (spam tracking)? |
| 15:39.09 | scorn | stew: KDE Control Digital Camera module, not a kernel module. |
| 15:39.21 | asr | http logs |
| 15:39.30 | asr | with date copmparison on mail logs |
| 15:40.23 | stew | scorn: hmm, dunno, i'd check the bts for kamera package |
| 15:40.24 | scorn | stew: don't work too hard on it, just a passing question really. |
| 15:40.24 | scorn | stew: okay, thanks. |
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| 15:41.05 | grendal_prime | fox have you done this process on debian before? |
| 15:42.36 | abrotman | grendal_prime: try #openssl |
| 15:42.48 | abrotman | uh .. i thought it was there |
| 15:42.56 | abrotman | hrm .. wonder where it went |
| 15:43.38 | hejux | hey lets talk something about DIY ? |
| 15:43.59 | grendal_prime | thats what im looking at now.. |
| 15:44.01 | hejux | what brand of motherboard do you often use ? |
| 15:44.33 | grendal_prime | just thougth maby there was a condensed abrided, like whitesheet somewhere |
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| 15:45.31 | roche | Hello, People How do I now what debian version I am running_ |
| 15:45.33 | roche | ? |
| 15:45.49 | asr | uname -a |
| 15:45.55 | Fox | grendal_prime: did it once, a long time ago |
| 15:46.00 | Hoxzer | THat tells your kernel version doesn't it :P |
| 15:46.00 | asr | apt-get policy sh |
| 15:46.06 | Ronin | cat /etc/debian_version |
| 15:46.12 | stew | roche: compare the installed version of libc6 (dpkg -l libc6) to available versions on http://packages.debian.org/libc6 |
| 15:47.11 | asr | ap-cache policy , usrgh! and libc6 is a better candidate than sh |
| 15:47.17 | Bushmills | look in /etc/apt/sources.list where your packages come from |
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| 15:53.37 | ma3x | where can I find free smarthost? |
| 15:53.56 | Ronin | heh ma3x use your isps |
| 15:54.10 | Ronin | free smarthost is likely like free shell these days |
| 15:56.23 | ma3x | Ronin, they are small isp, they don't have any@ |
| 15:56.34 | Ronin | ma3x: you isp doent have mail server? |
| 15:56.46 | ma3x | Ronin, you heard me, NO |
| 15:56.56 | Ronin | ma3x: ya i heard you i just didnt believe you |
| 15:57.39 | ma3x | Ronin, believe me! |
| 15:57.43 | ma3x | I just called them |
| 15:57.47 | ma3x | they don't know what's smarthost |
| 15:57.53 | ma3x | and they told me to use my web mail |
| 15:58.05 | Ronin | ma3x: so they do have mailservers then |
| 15:58.22 | roche | Thanks people |
| 15:58.38 | Ronin | ma3x: dont ask them about smarthosts ask them what the address is for the mail servers |
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| 16:00.03 | ma3x | Ronin, that's what I explained later, and believe me they said they dont have such thing |
| 16:00.10 | ma3x | they don't give every used isp email address |
| 16:00.25 | Ronin | ma3x: but then have webmail? or did they mean like gmail |
| 16:00.35 | Ronin | which by the way apparenlty you can use as a smarthost |
| 16:00.37 | ma3x | they mean like yahoo |
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| 16:00.42 | Ronin | ma3x: ahh |
| 16:00.57 | ma3x | Ronin, I can use it as a smarthost but on the end of every email they put stupid ads |
| 16:00.59 | ma3x | I hate that |
| 16:01.11 | Ronin | ma3x: you have a gmail account? theres a tutorial online for using it as a host |
| 16:01.17 | Ronin | heh too slow typing |
| 16:01.41 | ma3x | dont have gmail, no |
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| 16:10.34 | mwe | I want to add a cron job to be run daily as root. should I create a script in/etc/cron.daily/ or edit the crontab for root? |
| 16:10.55 | jago | I tried to install hula via apt, there were some problems finding dependant packages and now I have it half installed. When I try to remove it or install anything else, I get the E: unmet dependancies, try apt-get -f install message |
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| 16:11.21 | jago | that also doesn't work, how can I remove teh half installed hula? or clear the dependancies so I can continue to use apt? |
| 16:11.52 | Maulkin | mwe: I'd suggest the script method |
| 16:11.57 | evilgeek | dpkg --force-stuff remove hula |
| 16:12.10 | mwe | Maulkin, all right. so be it then :) |
| 16:12.11 | evilgeek | where 'stuff' is gleaned from 'dpkg --force-help'. |
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| 16:15.31 | jago | evilgeek: genius! thanks, I had to dpkg --remove all the dependancies |
| 16:15.45 | jago | I didn't realize that even though they weren't installed they were still recognized by dpkg |
| 16:15.53 | jago | much thanks |
| 16:17.09 | peder_ | I am trying to boot my debian box, but it just says GRUB GRUB GRUB GRUB, and never ends.. Any idea how I can recover this? |
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| 16:17.44 | Zap-W | is it possible to boot root LVM partition without initrd image? |
| 16:18.35 | evilgeek | peder_: boot from CD, and install grub properly. |
| 16:18.42 | coder_5 | hi! i just installed debian and now added lots of drives. how to start the partitionizer again to make a raid5 array from them? (i'm to lazy to do it manualy) |
| 16:18.47 | jago | peder_: have a boot disk or cd? Boot back into your system passing the root option and reinstall grub |
| 16:19.14 | peder_ | I have the debian install cd.. Can I re-install grub with that? |
| 16:19.33 | evilgeek | yes. |
| 16:19.34 | KaOzx | i have the same problem |
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| 16:20.48 | coder_5 | ... base-config has no partitioning option. i guess i need debootstrap, but cant start it. (?) |
| 16:21.52 | KaOzx | how can i boot debian with the installation cd? |
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| 16:22.40 | coder_5 | KaOzx, i used a system recovery cd and added the correct root= parameter. |
| 16:22.46 | peder_ | evilgeek- I see. Booted from the cd now, but when I try install grub from the install menu it just wants me to create partitions and erase all data |
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| 16:23.16 | Zap-W | in what section is initrd option in the kernel source |
| 16:23.42 | coder_5 | KaOzx, i used 'systemrescuecd' you can download .iso files. |
| 16:23.44 | stew | Zap-W: what kernel version? |
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| 16:24.19 | cydork | peder_: can you change to console 2 with alt + F? keystroke |
| 16:24.21 | KaOzx | the installation CD works like recovery? |
| 16:24.34 | coder_5 | noone knows how to start the debian partitioner manualy again after the system was installed propperly? |
| 16:24.34 | peder_ | cydork- yes.. |
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| 16:24.45 | KaOzx | i don´t have cd's to burn :p |
| 16:24.45 | stew | Zap-W: if its > 2.6.13 you aren't going to use cramfs becuase you are going to use initramfs-tools or yaird, which are cpio initrds so there isn't anything to configure in the kernel |
| 16:25.09 | cydork | peder_: should i say more ?? :) |
| 16:25.27 | peder_ | cydork- well, grub-install I should use, isnt it? |
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| 16:26.00 | coder_5 | KaOzx, hmm.. the only thing i remember from my adventures is that the debian cd did not help me repairing my installation. these 'systemrescuecd' did fine. |
| 16:26.09 | cydork | peder_: well you have to chroot first .. |
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| 16:28.35 | mwe | Why would aptitude install postfix want to install emacs? apt-get install postfix will not. |
| 16:28.50 | peder_ | cydork- chroot into my hdd? or what? im new at this :< |
| 16:29.11 | piclez | morning! please, how can I install GnuPG using apt-get? |
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| 16:29.45 | OleMoudi | piclez, apt-get install gnupg |
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| 16:29.51 | cydork | !tell peder_ about chroot |
| 16:30.11 | stew | mwe: it probably wants to install emacs for some reason totally unrelated to postfix, like just "aptitude install" with no packagename will probably want to install emacs due to some previous action |
| 16:30.20 | peder_ | thanks cydork |
| 16:31.00 | cydork | peder_: np!! :) |
| 16:31.22 | piclez | OleMoudi: : thanks! it's installed just noticed.. but I can't run pgp, why? |
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| 16:31.54 | dn4 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3276 <-- what happens when I compile svn source of ardour |
| 16:32.04 | OleMoudi | piclez, the command is gpg i guess |
| 16:32.26 | piclez | OleMoudi: : true, haha |
| 16:32.29 | piclez | thanks a lot! |
| 16:32.35 | mwe | stew: hmm. aptitude install says mailx is broken and wants to remove postfix and grub?! seems broken :| |
| 16:33.17 | stew | mwe: you might be better off running the front end, which gives you a better ability to work it all out at once before it starts doing anything |
| 16:33.22 | Zap-W | isn't initrd just for loading modules and mounting the root fs? if i have all modules in the kernel why do i still initrd |
| 16:33.38 | mwe | stew: yeah maybe so. |
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| 16:35.56 | stew | Zap-W: you need to actually start lvm after the kernel starts but before you mount root (if you root is on lvm) so that is done in the initrd |
| 16:36.22 | mwe | stew: I worked it out in the front end. thanks |
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| 16:37.55 | dj_ryan | stew: the debian-installer has a known bug about root on raid! |
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| 16:38.18 | stew | ok |
| 16:38.45 | dj_ryan | yeah yea |
| 16:38.46 | Zap-W | stew, the kernel can't start LVM? |
| 16:38.51 | dj_ryan | but i was bitching about it endlessly earlier |
| 16:38.55 | dj_ryan | zap-w, how can it? |
| 16:39.01 | dj_ryan | the kernel doesnt contain LVM |
| 16:39.01 | Zap-W | dunno |
| 16:39.05 | dj_ryan | or raid |
| 16:39.11 | dj_ryan | those are provided by kernel-modules |
| 16:39.12 | Zap-W | it dosen't ? it has modules |
| 16:39.20 | dj_ryan | which are not available at boot-up |
| 16:39.20 | Zap-W | but you can compile them in |
| 16:39.28 | dj_ryan | ok, so if you compiled them in, it would work. |
| 16:39.39 | Zap-W | well it dosen't still need initrd |
| 16:39.45 | dj_ryan | i used a custom kernel with lvm+raid compiled in and it worked w/o and initram |
| 16:39.49 | dj_ryan | initrd that is. |
| 16:39.51 | Zap-W | oh |
| 16:40.11 | dj_ryan | but the solution initrd solves is having to build custom kernels left and right |
| 16:40.14 | war95 | the kernel contains LVM |
| 16:40.25 | dj_ryan | war95, shush. |
| 16:40.26 | dj_ryan | go away. |
| 16:40.28 | dj_ryan | you no help. |
| 16:41.13 | Zap-W | then something is missing |
| 16:41.14 | Zap-W | :( |
| 16:41.19 | dj_ryan | yeah. |
| 16:41.24 | dj_ryan | i wish i knew more about initrd |
| 16:41.45 | stew | Zap-W: i was under the impression that there was stuff that needed to be executed from userland to setup lvm, but i'm not positive |
| 16:41.53 | dj_ryan | stew is correct. |
| 16:42.06 | dj_ryan | the s/w raid command is 'mdadm' |
| 16:42.57 | dj_ryan | it probably starts with 'lv' |
| 16:43.02 | Zap-W | dj_ryan, you sure it lvm worked without initrd? |
| 16:43.19 | stew | yeah, i'm looking at my initrd, its running vgchange -a y to activate the the volume group |
| 16:44.37 | dj_ryan | zap-w, not with a stock kernel. |
| 16:44.48 | Zap-W | ofcourse recompiled |
| 16:45.05 | dj_ryan | stew seems to have a handle on it. |
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| 16:45.36 | stew | dj_ryan: was your / partition on lvm? or some other partition? |
| 16:45.36 | dj_ryan | generally most people dont think its a super idea to put / on a lvm |
| 16:45.42 | dj_ryan | my / was on raid1 |
| 16:45.51 | buu | Hrm. I've got a very strange problem with a raid5 running via mdadm |
| 16:46.12 | buu | When I do mdadm --examine /dev/sda it tells me '9 active devices', 1 failed |
| 16:46.25 | buu | When I do mdadm --examine /dev/sdh it tells me, 10 active devices, 0 failed |
| 16:46.25 | dj_ryan | sda is a md device? |
| 16:46.39 | stew | Zap-W: if his / wasn't on lvm then he could get away with no intrd becuase he could run /sbin/vgchange from his / in order to start lvm, if you want root on lvm you need to have an initrd that starts lvm before youcan mount root |
| 16:46.46 | buu | dj_ryan: Was that to me? |
| 16:46.51 | dj_ryan | buu, yea :-) |
| 16:47.00 | buu | dj_ryan: No, sda is a member of the md device |
| 16:47.13 | dj_ryan | stew is correct, you need to have an initrd if you want / on lvm |
| 16:47.23 | dj_ryan | even if the kernel has lvm compiled in. |
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| 16:47.28 | stew | and you have to have lilo if you want /boot on lvm |
| 16:47.33 | dj_ryan | buu: doesnt mdadm --examine take a md device as the argument? |
| 16:47.39 | buu | dj_ryan: No.. |
| 16:47.45 | dj_ryan | i thought it did. |
| 16:47.54 | buu | Well, it doesn't need one. |
| 16:47.59 | buu | Apparently it takes one for no point. |
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| 16:48.12 | dj_ryan | so how many mds do you have? 10? |
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| 16:48.26 | mae | hi! whats the difference between ! and * when used in place of an encrypted passwd in the second field of the /etc/passwd file? |
| 16:48.34 | elias_ | Does anyone know secure PHP formmail scripts which are under a free license? |
| 16:48.54 | buu | dj_ryan: Er, I have one md, md0 |
| 16:48.58 | dj_ryan | ah |
| 16:49.08 | buu | dj_ryan: This md should have 10 devices. |
| 16:49.11 | dj_ryan | buu: well what does mdadm --detail /dev/md0 say? |
| 16:49.24 | buu | dj_ryan: active 9, working 9 |
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| 16:49.57 | buu | And it lists a-j,i,j |
| 16:50.03 | buu | So I'm thinking I should remove h and readd it |
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| 16:52.40 | wsfs | hey |
| 16:52.55 | dj_ryan | buu: hot remove and add sounds like an idea. |
| 16:53.01 | dj_ryan | possibly a good one, but also could be a bad one. |
| 16:53.43 | wsfs | what's debian's problem with freenode? why debian moved their irc subdomain from freenode ? (sorry for english) |
| 16:54.01 | azeem | wsfs: /msg dpkg oftc move |
| 16:54.22 | Kevin` | I think a certain person got enough people to compain about freenode.. |
| 16:54.34 | dj_ryan | wsfs: dunno but im on freenode so apparently nothing |
| 16:54.37 | buu | dj_ryan: Yeah =[ |
| 16:54.40 | epsilon | few decided so, few moved to oftc, most stayed here |
| 16:55.08 | dj_ryan | sigh, so #debian is partitioned, great idea people. |
| 16:55.22 | azeem | dj_ryan: however, #debian-devel is rejoined |
| 16:55.27 | Kevin` | or more likely, a few people to complain louder then the people who didn't have anything to say |
| 16:55.31 | Ronin | dj_ryan: its always been that |
| 16:55.33 | epsilon | in number, about 100 ppl in #debian moved to oftc |
| 16:55.33 | dj_ryan | azeem: i guess that is good. |
| 16:55.37 | azeem | which, at least to me, is much more important |
| 16:55.54 | dj_ryan | Ronin: except that /msg dpkg oftc move says its been like this since June 4th |
| 16:56.12 | azeem | dj_ryan: always been that there was a #debian on OFTC |
| 16:56.15 | Ronin | dj_ryan: ya but theres always been multiple debian channels, whats one more going to hurt |
| 16:56.18 | azeem | it was pretty low-traffic though |
| 16:56.44 | buu | Well, remove told me no such device |
| 16:56.46 | dj_ryan | Ronin: ah, well that explains everything |
| 16:56.48 | buu | So add seems to do the trick. |
| 16:56.54 | dj_ryan | by everything i mean the lack of knowledgable people about the installer. |
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| 16:57.07 | dj_ryan | buu: ok, so your array is rebuilding? |
| 16:57.08 | Ronin | dj_ryan: theres one on every irc network,or at least darn near, |
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| 16:57.32 | buu | dj_ryan: Yep |
| 16:57.38 | dj_ryan | buu: good :-) |
| 16:57.43 | buu | Yep. |
| 16:57.47 | buu | Until it explodes in a fireball. |
| 16:58.17 | dj_ryan | hrm |
| 16:58.28 | dj_ryan | whats wrong with a single source of truth? |
| 16:58.40 | dj_ryan | after all, its the founding principle every developer here should live by |
| 16:58.43 | dj_ryan | DRY - dont repeat yourself |
| 16:58.46 | Ronin | dj_ryan: then with that logic theres should be only one irc network |
| 16:58.52 | stew | dj_ryan: nothing, plesae move yourself to oftc then |
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| 16:59.06 | dj_ryan | but i've always been on freenode :-) |
| 16:59.09 | stew | dj_ryan: we're only here becuase people keep asking questions here and haven't moved to oftc |
| 16:59.11 | Ronin | again |
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| 17:00.29 | jetscreamer | !fuck oftc :o |
| 17:00.43 | dj_ryan | perhaps topic should be "dont use this net" |
| 17:00.44 | jetscreamer | damn useful factoid, shame it's like locked |
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| 17:02.38 | stew | dj_ryan: what's is wrong with people using this net? |
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| 17:03.29 | dj_ryan | Ronin: no you havent. |
| 17:03.34 | dj_ryan | because i remain unconvinced. |
| 17:03.39 | dj_ryan | ok |
| 17:03.41 | dj_ryan | let me put it this way |
| 17:04.04 | dj_ryan | what's wrong with 2 seperate debian-questions lists with disseperate membership? |
| 17:04.19 | dj_ryan | you only leverage 1/2 of your brain power |
| 17:04.40 | dj_ryan | on that note |
| 17:04.43 | stew | huh? how am i only using 1/2 of my brain power? |
| 17:04.53 | dj_ryan | 1/2 of the community? |
| 17:05.07 | dj_ryan | so presumably you're logged into 2 nets at once, but is this a truism for everyone? |
| 17:05.14 | Ronin | 1/2 of the community? so those on efnet, undernet, etc aren't part of the debian community? |
| 17:05.21 | stew | dj_ryan: almost all of the consistently good helpers are in both channels |
| 17:05.37 | jetscreamer | i use 3 irc networks, that seems enough to me, oftc isn't one of em |
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| 17:05.55 | dj_ryan | oh whatever |
| 17:05.55 | jetscreamer | just personl pref. |
| 17:06.02 | mahyar | what is a good website ripper? |
| 17:06.06 | jetscreamer | wget |
| 17:06.08 | stew | mahyar: wget |
| 17:06.17 | jetscreamer | wget -mcp perhaps |
| 17:06.19 | mahyar | will it download links and such? |
| 17:06.33 | jetscreamer | with the appropriate directives |
| 17:06.36 | jetscreamer | man wget |
| 17:06.38 | stew | mahyar: yeah read the manpage about the -m and -r directives |
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| 17:07.53 | mahyar | how about if it requires a login to access the material first? (and it's cookie/webbased, not apache .htaccess based) |
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| 17:08.42 | jetscreamer | you can supply things like that. man wget |
| 17:09.21 | mahyar | wow |
| 17:09.25 | mahyar | wget is really that versitile |
| 17:09.26 | mahyar | thnx |
| 17:09.28 | jetscreamer | http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man1/wget.1.html |
| 17:09.34 | mahyar | i gooot it |
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| 17:16.03 | tmartins | Hi! |
| 17:16.04 | tmartins | Asterisk from http://pkg-voip.buildserver.net, someone has another version of this packages? |
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| 17:19.16 | pollywog | I am having problems seeing the tips in gimp |
| 17:19.21 | pollywog | in Etch |
| 17:19.33 | pollywog | anyone else experiencing this? |
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| 17:20.53 | opnsrc | Hey |
| 17:21.04 | itchi | How can i enable 'sysfs'? I want to use 'cpufreq' to scale the cpu, but actualy while booting the laptop he complain that he not can find that sysfs. |
| 17:21.52 | stew | itchi: mount /sys |
| 17:22.14 | opnsrc | I tried to install k3b and it keeps saying k3b: Depends: kdelibs4c2a (>= 4:3.5.3-1) but it is not going to be installed. It also says that it depends on libk3b2 and kdebase-bin but those won't be installed either |
| 17:22.22 | opnsrc | I tried to install those separately but it gives more erros |
| 17:22.26 | opnsrc | and a chain of errors. How do I fix this? |
| 17:22.54 | itchi | stew: Just that? Like i need to have that on boot time, i need then to put that in the fstab; with which params? |
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| 17:23.35 | fluxdude | which is it that's faster, /dev/random or /dev/urandom, I forget which is faster and which is more random... |
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| 17:23.50 | fluxdude | I want the faster one and also I want to know will an idle system still pour out loads of random junk? |
| 17:23.50 | stew | itchi: what does "uname -r" say? |
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| 17:24.42 | itchi | stew: When i try to mount it, he tell me that he is already mounted; 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 17:25.37 | stew | itchi: then you have sysfs support |
| 17:26.14 | cydork | itchi: sysfs support is merged in 2.6.x kernels AFAIK |
| 17:26.38 | itchi | stew: Hhmm, then it's another trouble, not understand why cpufreq complain about it then :-/ |
| 17:27.39 | stew | itchi: i'd guess you need to modprobe a cpu specific module for speedstep in order to make something show up in /sys/ |
| 17:28.06 | itchi | stew: So i need to look with modconf then? |
| 17:28.26 | stew | yes |
| 17:28.35 | stew | itchi: what cpu do you have? |
| 17:28.35 | itchi | stew: I not realy know what i need to load, but gona look there a bit |
| 17:29.03 | itchi | stew: Euhm an Intel Pentium 2 celeron |
| 17:29.14 | cydork | itchi: sysfs |
| 17:29.50 | cydork | sorry :) |
| 17:30.14 | stew | itchi: pentium 2 won't have speedstep capabilities |
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| 17:31.09 | itchi | stew: So then i can not scale the cpu? |
| 17:31.20 | ryan` | itchi, not from linux. |
| 17:31.31 | cydork | itchi: you can find the list of procesors here http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_make_use_of_Dynamic_Frequency_Scaling |
| 17:31.32 | stew | not from any software |
| 17:31.34 | stew | itchi: no |
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| 17:32.16 | itchi | hhhhmm, i have read here some else in the /proc i think that the cpu support it :-/ |
| 17:32.37 | itchi | stepping : 10 |
| 17:33.15 | itchi | In the /proc/cpuinfo for example, but it was not there i have read it; Gona look where i have found that; first check that link |
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| 17:33.22 | stew | itchi: that's different |
| 17:33.30 | stew | itchi: pentium 2s don't have frequency scaling |
| 17:34.08 | itchi | doh :-/ Like it's hot weather an hot cpu now, i wanted to scale it a bit when he is a bit hot :-/ |
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| 17:34.31 | itchi | Thanks guys for the help ;-) |
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| 17:37.08 | Jenkens | Hello. I recently set up a debian/etch system. I'm working on some packages for my friend via ssh, and if I leave the session alone long enough it seems to hang (no input affects terminal) yet putty doesn't say my connection had died. Is there some idle setting that I've missed in setup? |
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| 17:40.11 | ryan` | Jenkens: turn on keepalives. |
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| 17:40.39 | abrotman | Jenkens: or fix the router |
| 17:40.50 | ryan` | it'll probably die after a while |
| 17:40.57 | NiCeBoY | hi anyone can help me how to install openssl libraried and binaried plz ? |
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| 17:41.05 | Jenkens | alright. i'm not sure if keepalives will help or not, since it seems the session hasn't disconnected.. but rather just 'hung'... |
| 17:41.10 | ryan` | NiCeBoY: apt-get install openssl |
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| 17:41.24 | NiCeBoY | ryan` and for the librearied plz? |
| 17:41.30 | NiCeBoY | *libraries |
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| 17:41.59 | abrotman | NiCeBoY: apt-cache search libssl |
| 17:42.01 | xsappyx | Jenkens: maybe check out screen, it won't fix the disconnect issue, but you will be able to reattach to your session if/when it 'hangs' |
| 17:42.09 | ryan` | NiCeBoY, apt-get install libssl-dev |
| 17:42.17 | NiCeBoY | ok |
| 17:42.20 | Jenkens | ryan`: alright, TCPKeepalive is already set to yes. |
| 17:42.29 | abrotman | Jenkens: fix your router |
| 17:42.29 | Jenkens | xsappyx: yeah, i've got screen already. thank :) |
| 17:42.30 | ryan` | NiCeBoY, you can fing these youself with 'apt-cache search' |
| 17:42.52 | Jenkens | abrotman : Yes, thank you. I'll look into it. It's not my router but a friends, but I'll have him check |
| 17:43.03 | Jenkens | i'm just helping him get the machine set up |
| 17:43.06 | NiCeBoY | thanks |
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| 17:43.18 | Jenkens | Linux decode 2.6.17-1-sparc64 #1 Mon Jul 17 07:09:09 PDT 2006 sparc64 GNU/Linux |
| 17:43.29 | Jenkens | whoops |
| 17:43.41 | ryan` | with very custimized kernel and iptables, heh. |
| 17:43.48 | Thunderguy | Let's say I updated the kernel image, and when I did my initramfs won't boot, and now I'm in a chrooted environment on a rescue cd, what do I type to remake the init stuff again? |
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| 17:44.00 | xjkx | The error was 'BadShmSeg (invalid shared segment parameter)'. |
| 17:44.00 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.00 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:44.00 | xjkx | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:44.34 | ryan` | Thunderguy: you didn't keep the old kernel? |
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| 17:44.38 | Jenkens | hrmmm |
| 17:44.51 | Thunderguy | ryan`: I did, the old kernel won't boot either |
| 17:44.52 | tmartins | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:45.10 | tmartins | or a channel asterisk debian specific ? |
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| 17:45.24 | ryan` | Thunderguy, I'd help you, but I avoid initrd because it is prone to breakage. |
| 17:45.26 | Thunderguy | ryan`: So I just went to chrooted on a rescue cd, I don't know what it is, just not-found errors when booting on that ram image |
| 17:45.46 | ryan` | bleh. |
| 17:46.11 | Thunderguy | ryan`: Is there a way to configure a debian system to ignore my kernel settings, so that I can manage /boot ? |
| 17:46.21 | Jenkens | hrm i get a dependency error trying to apt-get install irssi |
| 17:46.43 | ryan` | Thunderguy: you use grub or lilo? |
| 17:46.49 | Thunderguy | grub |
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| 17:47.22 | ryan` | the menu.lst file can had entries added to it such that update-grub will leave it alone |
| 17:47.30 | ryan` | there are docs inline menu.lst |
| 17:47.46 | Thunderguy | alright, well thanks. |
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| 17:48.12 | Thunderguy | ryan` just out of curiousity what happens if I upgrade to a kernel-source that isn't in the debian repository? will it mess up my dependencies? |
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| 17:49.04 | my007ms | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:49.26 | ryan` | my007ms, ltsp |
| 17:50.18 | peder_ | How do I chroot the existing system when I am using the debian install cd, so that I can re-install GRUB? |
| 17:50.51 | my007ms | ryan`, and what is device i will use as this one sunray |
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| 17:51.28 | Jenkens | ok it's balking about libperl, which is balking about perl-base. |
| 17:51.29 | Jenkens | hrm |
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| 17:54.00 | ryan` | my007ms: there's a 'buy' link on the ltsp site |
| 17:54.22 | ryan` | http://www.disklessworkstations.com/ |
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| 17:54.36 | ryan` | or you can build your own. |
| 17:55.27 | my007ms | :D i am not seep abut Diskless |
| 17:56.36 | my007ms | i search some generic small device that have well support under linux |
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| 17:59.31 | ryan` | peder_: you still there? |
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| 18:04.46 | peder_ | ryan`- yeah |
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| 18:07.57 | twb | Anybody else noticed usermod behaving weirdly under etch lately? |
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| 18:09.39 | |dennis| | anyone notice the testing iso-dvd weekly builds page blank?? |
| 18:10.00 | |dennis| | hmmmm |
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| 18:13.46 | AciD | hi, my /etc directory got corrupted few days ago, so I had to reinstall. Now I can't see the correct names for directories in my /home/me. How can I know which encoding were used for those dir ? |
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| 18:15.13 | Jenkens | bleh |
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| 18:19.10 | the_mug | can someone please help me out... I did a clean install and I am still getting these IGN ERR gpg errors and crap: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3277 |
| 18:19.18 | piclez | any good tutorial to setup subversion in debian please? |
| 18:20.25 | stew | !backports key is ask me about <apt-key 16BA136C> |
| 18:20.26 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 18:20.37 | abrotman | !apt-key 16BA136C |
| 18:20.37 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 16BA136C ; gpg --export 16BA136C | sudo apt-key add -; |
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| 18:20.43 | stew | but wait |
| 18:20.50 | stew | who has apt-key but is using backports |
| 18:21.13 | stew | the_mug: what does "apt-cache policy libc6 apt" return? |
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| 18:21.17 | Adriel_BR | how can i set my printer for the draft mode? |
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| 18:22.43 | the_mug | stew: one sec |
| 18:22.58 | abrotman | stew: someone using a backported apt? :) |
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| 18:23.42 | the_mug | stew: http://channels.debian.net/paste/3278 |
| 18:23.46 | vuud | After someone late last night pointed me to the sid faq, I have decided that the "testing" branch is more what I am looking for. I have some potentially dumb questions though: |
| 18:24.01 | stew | !win abrotman |
| 18:24.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, abrotman! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:24.06 | the_mug | abrotman: that would be me |
| 18:24.30 | stew | the_mug: the ign is ignorable (/msg dpkg ign) to fix the key problem, /msg dpkg apt-key 16BA136C |
| 18:24.37 | vuud | If I install the beta2 of testing, can I just keep the system up to date from there? via apt and manually updating kernels and stuff? Would there be a drawback? |
| 18:24.50 | infernix | vuud: yes, yes, no |
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| 18:25.01 | the_mug | stew: how often do I have to do this? what about my other debian Servers? |
| 18:25.03 | infernix | not apart from having to download regulary |
| 18:25.15 | stew | the_mug: you only have to do this once per repository |
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| 18:25.25 | vuud | infernix: I am coming from Gentoo so that does not scare me much :) |
| 18:25.26 | ramiroec | just a question: I want to download only the zip's files from a Website, is there an option with wget command ? |
| 18:25.34 | stew | the_mug: well the debian repository key changes once per year |
| 18:26.00 | vuud | Next, the daily iso for testing is not available... are there any mirrors? |
| 18:26.09 | the_mug | stew: around this time? :-p ... I'm new to Debian... (don't get me wrong.. I love it.. I just need to know these things) |
| 18:26.20 | infernix | vuud: you might as well download the netinstaller and get the latest etch packages right away |
| 18:26.38 | stew | ramiroec: wget -O - http://someindexurl | sed "some sed script that extracts only the zip urls" | xargs -n1 wget |
| 18:26.50 | vuud | infernix: thats what I am trying to get... keep getting an error back from my firewall/squid about it |
| 18:27.15 | ramiroec | stew : lets see... |
| 18:27.16 | stew | the_mug: no, sometime around january first. backports is probably signed by nobse's key and will only change if he for some reason ditches his current key |
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| 18:28.04 | the_mug | stew: how do you know what key is for what rep? |
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| 18:28.51 | chipp | so whats up with the debian site? i cant download any of the images |
| 18:29.23 | stew | the_mug: the error message told you what the key is. "gpg --recv-keys keyid" will fetch it. you can then optionally check your trust path to that key, then apt-key add it |
| 18:29.26 | lordlamer | hello. i have a project in sourceforge cvs. i have one problem. i have some conflicts if i made a cvs -q up -d. error is: "cvs update: move away...". i have removed the file. i made a new update and a second one and i get this error again. whats wrong? |
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| 18:29.58 | NiCeBoY | hi can anyone help me in apache please when i open http://208.98.55.114/ << i want to know where i shoiuld find the config file to modify it so that when i go on http://208.98.55.114/ it shows the folder /home/Ocean/public_html plz ? |
| 18:30.12 | stew | the_mug: the error message told you "http://www.backports.org sarge-backports Release:" was the file that was signed and that EA8E8B2116BA136C was the key that signed it |
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| 18:30.59 | NiCeBoY | stew can u check if for me plz ? |
| 18:31.33 | jenkens | brb |
| 18:31.57 | the_mug | stew: cool. thanks! |
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| 18:33.44 | infernix | NiCeBoY: assuming its a default installation and you host no other sites, open /etc/apache/httpd.conf, find /var/www and change that into the directory you want. however chances are that it might not be enough |
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| 18:34.21 | NiCeBoY | infernix thanks man i gonna try |
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| 18:35.09 | Zap-W | do i need to include LVM and SCSI modules to initrd image even if i have them compiled in the kernel? |
| 18:35.14 | Gabe_ | greetings. |
| 18:35.35 | infernix | Zap-W: compiled in drivers shouldnt ever be needed as modules |
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| 18:35.52 | infernix | Zap-W: it wont load the same driver twice now would it |
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| 18:36.23 | Gabe_ | i've got a package that was already configured, but didn't clean install. how do i mark it as unconfigured so when i remove it and install it again it takes me through the package configuration? |
| 18:36.41 | Gabe_ | dpkg-reconfigure won't work, because the package isn't fully installed. |
| 18:37.16 | Zap-W | infernix, i don't need them even if the root / is on LVM? |
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| 18:39.00 | eri-- | hello |
| 18:39.14 | eri-- | guys how can i do failover of 2 "WAN"'s on debian? |
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| 18:39.54 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 18:40.03 | dazjorz | I compiled kernel v2.6.17-7 |
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| 18:40.14 | dazjorz | but when trying to boot it from grub, it gives a kernel panic that it can't mount root |
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| 18:40.31 | Gabe_ | dazjorz: did you make an initrd image? |
| 18:40.32 | infernix | dazjorz: then you most likely misconfigured it. |
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| 18:40.39 | dazjorz | Gabe_: No, don't know how |
| 18:40.46 | Gabe_ | then that's probably why. |
| 18:40.57 | section3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.59 | jenkens | gahhhhh |
| 18:41.14 | abrotman | section3: use less |
| 18:41.23 | Peregrine | I installed the official wine package from stable/main. Whenever I run any Windows program, all non-Windows programs change colors. I'm not quite sure what to do about this? |
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| 18:41.45 | infernix | dazjorz: if you dont need to and/or dont know how to compile custom kernels, don't do it. |
| 18:41.47 | dazjorz | Gabe_: How do I make one? |
| 18:41.57 | dazjorz | infernix: I needed to. |
| 18:42.04 | infernix | dazjorz: then use make-kpkg |
| 18:42.08 | infernix | !make-kpkg |
| 18:42.08 | dpkg | hmm... make-kpkg is the Debian Way (tm) to deal with kernel compiling - it makes a package for your Kustom Kernel (tm) which you can install/remove easily (tm) with the dpkg (pat. pend.) mechanisms. 'apt-get install kernel-package' then 'man make-kpkg' =), or see also http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-kernel.html or ask me about <kp mantra> |
| 18:42.17 | Gabe_ | ya, i'd recommend using make-kpkg. |
| 18:42.19 | dazjorz | infernix: you could've told me that a while ago :p |
| 18:42.30 | vuud | Does the daily build of "etch" give "Read errors" when it is overloaded? |
| 18:42.31 | section3 | abrotman, thanks |
| 18:42.34 | the_mug | how can I call that text ui that allows me to pick from all the Rep mirrors? |
| 18:42.35 | infernix | dazjorz: apparently not, since i just did. :) |
| 18:42.46 | infernix | vuud: come again? read errors? |
| 18:43.05 | vuud | I just keep getting Read error (Connection reset by peer) in headers. |
| 18:43.12 | vuud | from wget |
| 18:43.16 | infernix | vuud: cdimage seems to be going down. |
| 18:43.36 | infernix | vuud: google on the iso filename or use jigdo. or be patient while resume-hammering the dying server |
| 18:43.48 | vuud | Ah'kay... I can try again later |
| 18:43.50 | stony | cdimage is down for a few hours now |
| 18:43.51 | dazjorz | make-kpkg doesn't work here =/ |
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| 18:43.59 | dazjorz | oh, kernel-package |
| 18:44.03 | vuud | (the plot thickens) |
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| 18:44.56 | dazjorz | okay, doing make-kpkg |
| 18:45.05 | Gabe_ | anyone? toggle broken package's status to unconfigured? |
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| 18:46.29 | cr3 | how can I extract the source from which was built a package, like the debian directory and related files? |
| 18:47.02 | infernix | cr3: add a deb-src line to /etc/apt/sources.list; apt-get source [package] |
| 18:47.21 | infernix | cr3: or if you have the tar.gz, dsc and diff, dpkg-source -x [package].dsc |
| 18:48.04 | dazjorz | errrr |
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| 18:48.14 | dazjorz | getting an error doing make-kpkg |
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| 18:48.55 | dazjorz | sound/pci/rme9652/.snd-hdsp.mod.o.cmd:1: warning: NUL character seen; rest of line ignored |
| 18:49.04 | dazjorz | sound/pci/rme9652/.snd-hdsp.mod.o.cmd:1: *** missing separator. Stop. |
| 18:49.13 | dazjorz | make[1]: *** [modules] Error 2 |
| 18:49.28 | dazjorz | make[1]: Leaving directory '/root/kernel/linux-2.6.17.7' |
| 18:49.35 | dazjorz | make: *** [stamp-build] Error 2 |
| 18:49.48 | salicyl | when i mount my usbstick debian say's: read-only. but i want to write on it, what i have todo that i can mount it writeable? |
| 18:50.14 | Vasistha | Gabe_: you've read man dpkg and man apt-get ? |
| 18:50.16 | dazjorz | salicyl: many usb sticks have a mode for that |
| 18:50.23 | dazjorz | salicyl: a switch on it self |
| 18:50.29 | Gabe_ | vasistha: not throughly, no. |
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| 18:51.29 | salicyl | dazjorz: no switch on it |
| 18:51.33 | the_mug | infernix: any idea where there's a list of ALL the apt-get repositories? |
| 18:51.43 | infernix | dazjorz: try make clean |
| 18:51.48 | dazjorz | infernix: ok |
| 18:51.51 | Jenkens | gak |
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| 18:53.54 | infernix | the_mug: what do you mean with all repositories? you mean the mirror list on debian.org? or all available possible repositories ever, for all versions of debian? |
| 18:54.00 | Gabe_ | well, i'm off to do some careful reading. |
| 18:54.06 | Gabe_ | thanks. |
| 18:54.10 | salicyl | sorry my console is jammed, i'll be back soon |
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| 18:55.22 | Vasistha | the_mug: also, do you mean to include unofficial repositories as well as official debian repositories? |
| 18:55.30 | the_mug | infernix: the repositories... I want to NOT use mirrors.kernel.org EVER again... I want to try different ones |
| 18:55.54 | the_mug | well just official for now.. (I got backports but that's the only one) |
| 18:55.59 | DragonD | i need some help. is it possible for me to connect to an ip address and connect to a different computer then the one i want to, EG: my server i try to connect and the ssh fingerprint changed and no webserver/mysql/anything that should be is running on the ip i'm connecting to. |
| 18:56.07 | salicyl | i have no switch on my usbstick, and there is no write protection on it. so why debian mount it read only? |
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| 18:56.48 | Glenn^BF | How may I get amarok be able to read mp3 files? I'm using sid with latest version of amarok(1.4.1) |
| 18:56.53 | Vasistha | the_mug: http://www.debian.org/mirror/list |
| 18:57.05 | dazjorz | make-kpkg is going great till now |
| 18:57.09 | the_mug | Vasistha: gracias friend |
| 18:57.30 | the_mug | Vasistha: I guess I could have found that .. but I just wanted to make sure. thanks again. |
| 18:57.31 | Vasistha | the_mug: yeah, you're welcome. I chose a mirror that's geographically close to me |
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| 18:58.25 | terrex | hi, sb can help mw with cdbs ? |
| 18:58.38 | Vasistha | salicyl: hmm, have you tried remounting read-write |
| 18:58.41 | SerajewelKS | is there some http proxy server in debian that offers a UI (textmode or GUI) to look at what data is passing through and set up mappings so some URLs return local data instead of fetching it? |
| 18:59.29 | Vasistha | terrex: please don't use abbreviations such as 'sb' 'any1' 'u' 'r' 'y' etc. in this channel ... you'll get much friendlier help that way |
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| 18:59.31 | Ahmett | hi |
| 18:59.33 | Ahmett | How to Install Sun Java on Debian |
| 19:00.10 | Vasistha | !java |
| 19:00.10 | dpkg | Sun's cross-platform OO language. Sun's Java licensing is extremely restrictive and forbids you from working on Java implementations or SDKs. Consider using free-java-sdk for applications such as Eclipse. Ask me about <java licensing> and <install java>. |
| 19:00.53 | terrex | hi, any one can help me with cdbs ? |
| 19:00.59 | salicyl | Vasistha: u mean something like "mount /dev/sda1 -rw /media/usb"? yes i do |
| 19:01.04 | Vasistha | !u |
| 19:01.05 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 19:01.05 | SerajewelKS | !tell terrex about ask |
| 19:01.29 | terrex | okey xDD |
| 19:01.36 | SerajewelKS | !XD |
| 19:01.37 | dpkg | xD is a one-eyed, stoned, shit-eating grin, or a really unfunny smily face like :) but worse |
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| 19:01.44 | SerajewelKS | haha |
| 19:01.45 | Vasistha | I like XD !! |
| 19:01.51 | SerajewelKS | never seen that one |
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| 19:02.13 | gniretar_work | hi all |
| 19:02.22 | Vasistha | salicyl: hrm, do you get any kind of error messages or anything? |
| 19:02.31 | gniretar_work | does anyone here have experience building custom packaged? |
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| 19:02.35 | gniretar_work | packages** |
| 19:02.41 | Vasistha | !tell gniretar_work -about ask |
| 19:03.09 | Ahmett | yes i install free-java-sdk |
| 19:03.11 | Ahmett | but |
| 19:03.11 | Ahmett | No suitable Java Virtual Machine could be found on your system. |
| 19:03.11 | Ahmett | The version of the JVM must be at least 1.5. |
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| 19:03.23 | Ahmett | Please define INSTALL4J_JAVA_HOME to point to a suitable JVM. |
| 19:03.24 | Ahmett | You can also try to delete the JVM cache file /root/.install4j |
| 19:03.41 | Vasistha | !enter |
| 19:03.42 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
| 19:04.19 | salicyl | oh sry, my bad. mount: block device /dev/sda1 is write-protected but explicit '-w' flag given. but i don't know any write-protection on my usbstick. |
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| 19:04.32 | terrex | In cdbs I need to do some code before the install rule (and not after the build rule because I need the $(DESTDIR) variable). How can I do that? |
| 19:05.00 | Vasistha | (what's cdbs anyway? I've been wondering the last three times you've asked the question ;-) |
| 19:05.35 | terrex | Vasistha: May common debian build system? |
| 19:05.37 | terrex | xDD |
| 19:06.34 | Vasistha | Glenn^BF: as for amarok + mp3 ... I have no experience, but have you searched p.d.o for amarok, and for mp3, to see if there's a plugin? |
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| 19:07.37 | Jenkens | sorry about the join/part stuff... |
| 19:08.55 | Vasistha | Ahmett: perhaps one of the packages in this list: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_packages.pl?suite=all&subword=1&exact=&arch=any§ion=all&case=insensitive&keywords=sun&searchon=names |
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| 19:09.04 | emergent | hey everyone =] I'm attempting to upgrade kernel 2.4.27-2-386 to 2.6.8-3-686-smp. I get a kernel panic message saying "/sbin/init: 432: cannot open dev/console: no such file". dev/console *does* exist and is not empty. |
| 19:09.07 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: there is #amarok for amarok issues.... but mp3 with amarok is done via the backend... you using amarok-xine? |
| 19:09.15 | Vasistha | Ahmett: ...scroll down to the section where the names begin with "sun" |
| 19:09.39 | terrex | thx anyway |
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| 19:10.04 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: if so... its pretty simple... just install libmad0 ... and voila ... |
| 19:10.05 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: yes, I'm. But does not support mp3. |
| 19:10.22 | Vasistha | emergent: just to double-check, what's your processor type? |
| 19:10.25 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: ah :) ok :) |
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| 19:10.32 | emergent | p4 with hyperthreading |
| 19:10.48 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: i'm trying right now. thanks for the tip. |
| 19:11.02 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: should really be a dependency imo... but whatever... |
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| 19:11.05 | SerajewelKS | [repeat] is there some http proxy server in debian that offers a UI (textmode or GUI) to look at what data is passing through and set up mappings so some URLs return local data instead of fetching it? |
| 19:11.11 | salicyl | Vasistha: is there a diffrence between a normal usbstick and an mp3player? |
| 19:11.31 | SerajewelKS | salicyl: sometimes |
| 19:11.38 | salicyl | oh, |
| 19:11.45 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: package seems to be installed... so... no change. |
| 19:12.20 | Vasistha | emergent: probably what you want, then. Let's see, I believe you will need to have udev installed. Also, you might consider using the package kernel-image-2.6-686-smp so you'll automatically get a -4 if that is ever released |
| 19:12.44 | blondie | why is gdm.conf on etch... just about empty? |
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| 19:12.54 | Vasistha | salicyl: yeah, mp3 players often have strange file systems that are designed only to work with windows or whatever |
| 19:12.56 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: I'm listening to mp3's via amarok right now... same set up... mp3's appear to be playing? (going through song but no sound?) |
| 19:13.07 | Glenn^BF | I'm searching the internet too... On amarok website, they only provide solution for ubuntu, fedora and suse. |
| 19:13.14 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: yes. |
| 19:13.24 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: not even... |
| 19:13.36 | Vasistha | Glenn^BF: amarok can play other audio files alright? |
| 19:13.38 | blondie | why do people never answer my questions anymore :( |
| 19:13.40 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: amarok is jumping from one song to another |
| 19:13.40 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: if you're using arts ... could be you need libarts1-xine installed |
| 19:13.48 | Glenn^BF | Vasistha: yes |
| 19:14.15 | Vasistha | blondie: I dunno, there are a lot more questions than answers right now :P |
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| 19:14.35 | dazjorz | gah |
| 19:14.40 | dazjorz | kernel compiling takes so long... |
| 19:14.43 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: libarts-xine is installed too. |
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| 19:14.46 | emergent | Vasistha: okay, I'll get udev and the 2.6 image |
| 19:14.50 | lunitik | Actually, I don't even have libarts1-xine installed... and I'm listening to mp3's right now |
| 19:15.02 | Vasistha | lunitik: are you using arts, though? |
| 19:15.11 | lunitik | Vasistha: yes... |
| 19:15.14 | Vasistha | I guess you probably would be... |
| 19:15.14 | megaissues | I have this error with locales |
| 19:15.38 | gniretar_work | lintian is telling me that the 'postinst.ex' is an unknown control file and its not being executed after installation of the package. according to the docu for Debian devels postinst.ex should be in [pkgroot]/debian |
| 19:15.44 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: do you run the same version of amarok than me ? |
| 19:15.47 | gniretar_work | or am i incorrect |
| 19:16.02 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: I'm running sid... so should be... |
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| 19:16.19 | lunitik | 1.4.1 |
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| 19:17.06 | Glenn^BF | As far as I know, they removed gstreamer plugin from the upstream release. I was using this plugin to read mp3. Amarok was unable to read mp3 otherwise. |
| 19:17.13 | salicyl | but under suse (in earlyer times) i can mount my mp3player wreatable without any problems, but why it doesn't work on debian? |
| 19:17.50 | Vasistha | salicyl: do you have any way of finding out what the file system type was? Maybe debian is just having trouble auto-detecting it properly |
| 19:17.52 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: I'm using amarok-xine... which afaik is the default amarok-engine |
| 19:17.54 | Glenn^BF | Maybe I'm missing a package... But I don't know which one. |
| 19:18.36 | salicyl | Vasisthe: i check it, mom |
| 19:18.50 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: there are no other engines provided with 1.4.1 if I have well understood. |
| 19:19.37 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: I haven't looked into that... xine works... and I use it for movies too... no point installing more backends |
| 19:19.59 | Glenn^BF | strange... |
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| 19:20.39 | lunitik | Glenn^BF: like I said, there is #amarok ... maybe they can help more... I can only tell you the setup I have here... which apparently isn't working there |
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| 19:21.16 | blondie | I demand answers to my question immediately ;.; |
| 19:21.30 | salicyl | Vasisthe: fsck says: dosfsck 2.11, FAT32, LFN. so i think it will be the fat32 |
| 19:21.30 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: yep, I will disturb these guys :) Thanks for you support :) |
| 19:21.59 | gniretar_work | where should the postinst.ex file be in the dir tree of a debian package? |
| 19:22.15 | gniretar_work | right now I have it in [packageroot]/DEBIAN/postinst.ex |
| 19:22.20 | gniretar_work | it doesnt seem to be working |
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| 19:22.30 | gniretar_work | though it seems that is where the devel docu is telling me |
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| 19:24.20 | hjubal | hola |
| 19:24.51 | lunitik | !es |
| 19:24.51 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
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| 19:29.06 | DragonD | Anyone know where to get a good dedicated server with debian? |
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| 19:29.26 | Vasistha | salicyl: if you're getting a typo when typing my nick, you probably don't know about tab completion. In your IRC client, try typing vas<tab> |
| 19:29.58 | Vasistha | DragonD: as in, you want to buy a computer with debian pre-installed to act as some sort of server? |
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| 19:30.34 | DragonD | Vasistha: no as in a place that hosts dedicated servers |
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| 19:31.00 | salicyl | Vasistha: yes, i don't know abaut tab completion. i use this irssi since 3 day's. sry |
| 19:31.01 | Vasistha | gniretar_work: you may be better off coming back later, there don't seem to be many helpful people available atm |
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| 19:31.59 | gniretar_work | Vasistha, This i see, i shall return at a later date |
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| 19:34.49 | salicyl | Vasistha: how can i mount my mp3player? typing "mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat ..." results in the same like typing without any filesystem flag (read-only) |
| 19:35.17 | Vasistha | salicyl: there's a flag to try to force read-write |
| 19:35.23 | Eulex | http://cdimage.debian.org/ is down? |
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| 19:35.27 | SerajewelKS | -o rw |
| 19:35.39 | salicyl | Vasistha: not -rw ? |
| 19:35.46 | SerajewelKS | salicyl: no |
| 19:35.48 | salicyl | sry, SerajewelKS |
| 19:35.50 | SerajewelKS | salicyl: -o rw |
| 19:35.52 | Vasistha | salicyl: -o rw or -w |
| 19:35.57 | Zari23 | For a home user, what debian should I install, sarge rc2, or etch?? |
| 19:36.09 | stew | Zari23: start with sarge |
| 19:36.10 | SerajewelKS | Zari23: that depends |
| 19:36.23 | Vasistha | salicyl: it's the default, but who knows what's happening ... if you add one of those flags, it should give you an error if it can't mount read-write |
| 19:36.36 | Zari23 | I know how to run debian and all |
| 19:36.36 | Zari23 | Apt-get and such |
| 19:36.38 | blondie | GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRr |
| 19:36.48 | Jenkens | apt_preferences manpage is boggling |
| 19:36.50 | Jenkens | 500 < P <=990 causes a version to be installed unless there is a version available belonging to the target release or the installed version is more recent |
| 19:36.51 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
| 19:37.03 | Jenkens | what exactly does that mean? if p > 500 OR p <= 990? |
| 19:37.19 | Vasistha | blondie: got an old gdm.conf from before?? |
| 19:37.31 | stew | Jenkens: yes |
| 19:37.32 | peej | can someone check if downloading ogg vorbis via bittorrent works for them for http://www.jamendo.com/us/artist/the.maya.conglomerate/ ? |
| 19:37.38 | Zari23 | Well if I install Debian sarge, and do apt-get install gnome-core, what version fo gnome would I get???? |
| 19:37.41 | Zari23 | of* |
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| 19:37.57 | blondie | Vasistha: not for this version, dunno if it's the same.... why the fuck did someone take all the comments out of that file! |
| 19:38.01 | Vasistha | Zari23: you can look around packages.debian.org to see what packages are in stable, testing, and unstable |
| 19:38.11 | SerajewelKS | peej: why should ogg vorbis have problems in a torrent? |
| 19:38.25 | Jenkens | stew: so that refers to P (pin) being greater than 500 but less than or equal to 990, why doesn't it say P>500 P<=990 rather than cryptic 500 < P (500 is greater than P) or P less than or equal to 990? |
| 19:38.35 | SerajewelKS | peej: there is nothing special about vorbis such that it would have problems |
| 19:38.37 | Zari23 | vasistha: Can you safely tell em if it'll be SORDA new? |
| 19:38.39 | dutch | in screen resolutions, what's the next size above 1024x768 ? |
| 19:38.40 | Zari23 | me* |
| 19:38.41 | Vasistha | blondie: maybe the maintainer didn't have the time to upgrade it if there were substantial changes to the .conf settings |
| 19:38.42 | blondie | Vasistha: and where the hell is it configured as the file contains NO configuration |
| 19:38.45 | salicyl | it's again read-only |
| 19:38.45 | dazjorz | Okay its done |
| 19:38.47 | dazjorz | make-kpkg |
| 19:38.51 | peej | I'm not exactly familiar with bt yet, but I assume it needs a seed. And it looks like the site is broken (not providing one). I think. |
| 19:38.54 | dazjorz | it gave me a vmlinux file |
| 19:38.55 | Vasistha | Zari23: uhm ... I can tell you it will be sorta old ;-) |
| 19:38.55 | dazjorz | now what? |
| 19:39.05 | Jenkens | because there's already a 100 < P <=500 (100 is greater than P, or P less than/equal to 500) |
| 19:39.07 | stew | Jenkens: 500 < P doesn't mean 500 is greater than P, it means 500 is less than P |
| 19:39.08 | SerajewelKS | peej: probably nobody is seeding |
| 19:39.21 | Jenkens | err hrm |
| 19:39.24 | Vasistha | dutch: well, there are several, but you probably want either 1280x1024 or 1152x9..something |
| 19:39.30 | Zari23 | vasistha: Can I install a newer one somehow? |
| 19:39.42 | blondie | Vasistha: sorry for the strong language... this is making me cross |
| 19:39.49 | dutch | Vasistha, thank you..couldn't remember the exact number |
| 19:39.53 | Vasistha | dutch: 1152x864 |
| 19:40.02 | dutch | tu |
| 19:40.05 | dazjorz | i need to make an initrd file |
| 19:40.13 | peej | Hm. I think I'd better tell the tech to fix it then (the site is presumably meant to be the origin of the seed). Or something. |
| 19:40.14 | Jenkens | stew: whoops, had it read all wrong |
| 19:40.15 | dazjorz | and probably copy vmlinux smoewhere |
| 19:40.18 | Jenkens | still cryptic |
| 19:40.20 | Vasistha | Zari23: well, you can use backports if you want to use sarge, or you can go for etch or sid |
| 19:40.31 | Jenkens | at any rate, i cant seem to get a pinning i like for unstable, so i guess i'll just remove it |
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| 19:40.35 | Vasistha | Zari23: are you going to want a lot of "new" packages, or just a couple? |
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| 19:40.54 | Zari23 | vasistha: Just a couple, I like my os being indestuctible as it can |
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| 19:41.09 | Vasistha | Zari23: /msg dpkg backports |
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| 19:41.25 | dazjorz | how to make an initrd file? |
| 19:41.37 | Zari23 | Can I copy my iptables from Fedora to debian? |
| 19:41.39 | dazjorz | Gabe_, infernix, ? |
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| 19:41.58 | Vasistha | Zari23: I'm not really sure, you may have a different version, but you just might be able to |
| 19:42.25 | Zari23 | vasistha: Because I got all my ports to stealth, and so I wont respond to icmp echo requests, which took me a while to setup |
| 19:42.49 | dazjorz | dpkg initrd |
| 19:42.49 | dpkg | rumour has it, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. or a great system for those who understand modulesneed/want root in lvm and/or md raid. http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1476230 |
| 19:43.19 | Zari23 | but thats just a rumor :O |
| 19:43.25 | dazjorz | ;pp; |
| 19:43.27 | dazjorz | lool* |
| 19:43.27 | Eulex | cdimage.debian.org seems to be pretty down. I found a working mirror, though: http://bytekeeper.as28747.net/ |
| 19:43.33 | SerajewelKS | !lol |
| 19:43.33 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 19:43.55 | Zari23 | !rebel |
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| 19:44.55 | Vasistha | Zari23: you never know when a rumour might be true... |
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| 19:47.43 | dazjorz | Someone? |
| 19:47.56 | Glenn^BF | lunitik: fixed. I restart amarok from scratch... still weird for me but it works now :) |
| 19:48.00 | peej | Vasistha : you mean all of 10 seconds to do: echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_all. |
| 19:48.03 | Vasistha | dazjorz: you might come back another time, there aren't a whole lot of helpful people about atm |
| 19:48.05 | dazjorz | SerajewelKS: ok, muhahahaha |
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| 19:48.16 | dazjorz | Vasistha: Yeah, but I need my kernel to work... |
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| 19:48.23 | Fabiana23 | ][][][- www.misecretito.com.ar -][][][ - contanos tus secretitos más terribles !! |
| 19:48.49 | Vasistha | peej: tell that to Zari23 ... *I* don't know much about configuring iptables, I use a gui tool (guarddog) |
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| 19:50.15 | peej | Zari23: note above smug remark |
| 19:51.12 | Zari23 | peej: Smug remark noted. |
| 19:51.37 | megaissues | I've changed my system to UTF-8 and now it won't reconize my password neither root nor user |
| 19:51.42 | megaissues | this is messed up... |
| 19:51.53 | megaissues | I wanted to set my whole system UTF-8 |
| 19:51.57 | Zari23 | sudo? |
| 19:52.10 | megaissues | not even at login |
| 19:52.14 | megaissues | this is messed up |
| 19:52.23 | megaissues | I think is the second time it does this to me |
| 19:52.34 | megaissues | now I am left outside |
| 19:52.43 | Zari23 | Your nickname is very suiting |
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| 19:53.09 | megaissues | I know |
| 19:53.37 | megaissues | dpkg-reconfigure locales failed |
| 19:53.38 | Zari23 | try booting in knoppix |
| 19:53.47 | Zari23 | and resetting your pass |
| 19:53.48 | megaissues | I don't have time for that |
| 19:53.52 | Zari23 | oh |
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| 19:55.12 | megaissues | this is some really weird issue |
| 19:55.56 | megaissues | I think after setting the system to UTF-8 I should change something else but I don't know what |
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| 19:56.51 | megaissues | for instance number one with shift sometimes is this upside down exclamation symbol |
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| 19:56.58 | megaissues | but then it becomes B! |
| 19:57.21 | megaissues | and sometimes shift-2 is the proper exclamation mark |
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| 19:57.41 | GoAuLd | how to ctcp chat with xchat? |
| 19:58.56 | Jenkens | GoAuLd: /ctcp <nick> chat |
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| 19:59.19 | GoAuLd | thank |
| 19:59.19 | streuner | GoAuLd: you could use CTCP or press the right mouse button on the user itself |
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| 19:59.53 | GoAuLd | there is no such option right clicking |
| 20:00.09 | streuner | yeah, i figured it out now :-) |
| 20:00.34 | Zari23 | [streuner PING reply]: 0secs |
| 20:00.38 | Zari23 | omg your in my house! |
| 20:00.43 | Jenkens | zomG! |
| 20:00.55 | streuner | Zari23: yes, can you stop to CTCP me? |
| 20:01.03 | Zari23 | what? |
| 20:01.15 | Jenkens | engrish is not your win |
| 20:01.20 | streuner | Received a CTCP TIME from Zari23 |
| 20:01.26 | Zari23 | oh crao |
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| 20:02.49 | JulianTifflor | hello |
| 20:02.53 | Zari23 | HI! |
| 20:02.58 | liran_ | would debian run ok on a sunblade 150 server? (its currently running solaris ofcourse) |
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| 20:03.03 | Zari23 | yes |
| 20:03.09 | Jenkens | yar. |
| 20:03.15 | Zari23 | giggity |
| 20:03.15 | Jenkens | i'm running etch on a netra t1 |
| 20:03.23 | Zari23 | Run sarge on a server |
| 20:03.24 | JulianTifflor | i got a important question: does the stable netinst image support isa 3com 30x network cards ? |
| 20:03.29 | c00lfon | promyczka, Hi sweety :* |
| 20:03.31 | Jenkens | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:03.31 | Jenkens | cpu : TI UltraSparc IIi (Sabre) |
| 20:03.35 | Zari23 | all ISA cards |
| 20:03.35 | Jenkens | mmmmmmm |
| 20:03.36 | Zari23 | yep |
| 20:03.40 | promyczka | c00lfon: hi cock ;)* |
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| 20:04.00 | JulianTifflor | cool |
| 20:04.00 | Zari23 | promyczka: hi clit ;) |
| 20:04.03 | JulianTifflor | that rocks |
| 20:04.05 | JulianTifflor | debian++ |
| 20:04.10 | enouf | megaissues : manually edit /etc/locale.gen and perhaps /etc/default/locale too |
| 20:04.13 | Eulex | JulianTifflor, I'd imagine so. you might need to load the right kernel module for it, though. |
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| 20:04.27 | JulianTifflor | kay |
| 20:04.33 | Zari23 | isa is my default in the stable kernel atm |
| 20:04.33 | JulianTifflor | but it will work for netinst @ eulex ? |
| 20:04.36 | Zari23 | the* |
| 20:04.41 | liran_ | Zari23: Jenkens: i was thinking about putting unstable on it. im not familiar at all with sun/solaris. is the process of installing the same as of any other typical servers? |
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| 20:04.53 | dazjorz | http://sial.org/pbot/18685 |
| 20:05.02 | Zari23 | liran_: Sarge rc2 |
| 20:05.06 | Eulex | JulianTifflor, I think so. |
| 20:05.09 | Zari23 | liran_: SiD is too unstable |
| 20:05.16 | Zari23 | liran_: Hense the name |
| 20:05.25 | megaissues | enouf: I am left ouside I can't login, I did change the first one but not the second one |
| 20:05.31 | megaissues | enouf: should I reinstall this crap? |
| 20:05.35 | JulianTifflor | kay |
| 20:05.37 | dazjorz | I'm getting this: http://sial.org/pbot/18685 when I try to start the newly compiled 2.6.17-7 kernel... could somebody help me? |
| 20:05.45 | Jenkens | liran: for the most part, yes |
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| 20:05.52 | JulianTifflor | it shouldn't be a problem to pull the installation up to current i guess |
| 20:05.56 | Jenkens | though you should maybe just consider testing |
| 20:06.00 | Jenkens | not unstable |
| 20:06.00 | JulianTifflor | s/current/unstable |
| 20:06.11 | Zari23 | rename /dev/consule /dev/console |
| 20:06.15 | Zari23 | renamedir* |
| 20:06.21 | enouf | megaissues : can't you boot into single-user "recovery" mode? |
| 20:06.26 | JulianTifflor | mhm |
| 20:06.30 | JulianTifflor | Jenkens: whats the diffrence ? |
| 20:06.38 | megaissues | enouf: how can I do that? |
| 20:06.46 | Jenkens | JulianTifflor: nothin really, just getting the lom to boot off cd. |
| 20:06.50 | megaissues | enouf: I haven't seen that option |
| 20:06.52 | Jenkens | which in my case was relatively easy |
| 20:06.53 | enouf | megaissues : are you using GRUB |
| 20:07.00 | megaissues | enouf: yaboot |
| 20:07.17 | enouf | megaissues : uh...dunno yaboot |
| 20:07.18 | Eulex | megaissues, mac, eh? |
| 20:07.23 | megaissues | yeah |
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| 20:07.43 | liran_ | Jenkens: im working with sid on my current servers so i have no problem with running unstable personally, im just hoping it would run smooth with the hardware. |
| 20:07.44 | JulianTifflor | Jenkens: k |
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| 20:07.56 | Jenkens | liran: cool deal, give it a go ;) |
| 20:08.16 | megaissues | I have Linux and old options |
| 20:08.47 | enouf | megaissues : the only other option I see (save for finding a recovery noot in yaboot) is to boot a SysRescueCD |
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| 20:09.30 | cydork | megaissues: chroot from anonther live cd |
| 20:09.31 | megaissues | enouf: could I use gentoo ppc? It's like a cliLiveCD |
| 20:10.11 | Zari23 | Please dont emntion gentoo |
| 20:10.15 | Zari23 | mention* |
| 20:10.18 | simonrvn | !gentoo |
| 20:10.19 | dpkg | it has been said that gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or ... |
| 20:10.19 | Zari23 | ohhh the horrors |
| 20:10.24 | Zari23 | AHHHH |
| 20:10.26 | megaissues | is it sensical to install testing with stable cd install? |
| 20:10.40 | enouf | megaissues : I defer to cydork and my guess would be yes about cliLiveCD |
| 20:11.46 | megaissues | should I just burn a testing CD and install from there? What I did is stable CD and install testing... |
| 20:12.01 | megaissues | then some weird stuff but the locales never got installed properly |
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| 20:12.17 | ktwilight_ | if ya gettin' some weird stuff, just do the other way :) |
| 20:12.32 | enouf | megaissues : I don't see how -- unless you updated and then upgraded |
| 20:12.50 | cydork | megaissues: still i warn you testing installer is still beta!! |
| 20:12.57 | megaissues | nope I upgraded then updated then upgraded again |
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| 20:13.23 | enouf | megaissues : ahh...that's all too clear now ......hehe |
| 20:13.31 | Vasistha | megaissues: why on earth do you think you have time for that, but not enough time to just boot knoppix or another system rescue cd?? |
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| 20:14.48 | megaissues | because Knoppix is a freaking DVD and I want something less than 250 to put on my USB |
| 20:15.01 | megaissues | is there a cli system rescue? |
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| 20:15.17 | danf_1979 | Hi |
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| 20:17.07 | Jenkens | megaissues: http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/ is like 50 mb |
| 20:17.13 | Jenkens | live distribution too |
| 20:17.14 | danf_1979 | How can I disable MORE for a given program? Let me explain why is it a problem for me. I'm coding a program that talks to dpkg-reconfigure. The problem is that when executing "LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=readline postfix" I expect a question, but instead all I'm getting is the [MORE] string. Is there any way to disable this? |
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| 20:18.14 | enouf | megaissues : http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ RIP and http://www.tux.org/pub/people/kent-robotti/looplinux/rip/ |
| 20:19.04 | enouf | megaissues : or DSL as already mentioned |
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| 20:23.05 | adioe3 | Is there a way to add permissions for a group to access a directory, only the members of the group, nobody else? |
| 20:23.28 | enouf | whoops : http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools and http://www.sysresccd.org/System-tools (stupid Klipper is broken) -- and megaissues already went byebye for now |
| 20:24.18 | enouf | whoops : AGAIN fscken klipper shit : PPC = http://www.sysresccd.org/pkglist/sysresccd-ppc-packages-list-0.1.1.txt |
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| 20:26.32 | fasta | I have this problem: gpgv: symbol lookup error: /usr/local/lib/libreadline.so.5: undefined symbol: BC |
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| 20:27.31 | XeLoN | hi, I have trouble with cvs. I installed cvs and cvsd with apt-get. I'm trying to connect to the server with TortoiseCVS. I can connect it via :ext:. But with :pserver: I can't connect sometimes. For example when both inetutils-inetd and cvsd are running the user cannot connect. But when I stop the cvsd service user can connect to server without password. I read the cvs manual and installation documentations from internet. But can't find any solution. |
| 20:31.10 | XeLoN | I working on it more than one day. But i can't find any solution. I looked at logs, documents, notes, ... can't solve it yet. Anybody knows about this problem |
| 20:31.27 | _al_ | hello |
| 20:31.36 | _al_ | some problems with cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 20:32.11 | cydork | XeLoN: did you try cvsbook? |
| 20:33.07 | XeLoN | yep, I think you mean Cederqvist (CVS Manual) |
| 20:33.22 | _robert__ | apt-cache search ncurses |
| 20:33.26 | _robert__ | opps |
| 20:33.45 | XeLoN | cydork: I think I read every document on net |
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| 20:34.33 | cydork | !cvsbook |
| 20:34.34 | dpkg | rumour has it, cvsbook is http://cvsbook.red-bean.com/ |
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| 20:35.18 | cydork | XeLoN: i did setup CVS long time back using that. Had no probs what so ever. dont remember the steps now :P |
| 20:35.34 | XeLoN | cydork: :) |
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| 20:35.57 | XeLoN | cydork: Do I need to install inetutils-inetd to run inetd? |
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| 20:36.58 | stew | XeLoN: no, netkit-inetd |
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| 20:37.33 | XeLoN | I'm asking it because in /etc/init.d there is two service named inetd and inetutils-inetd |
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| 20:37.53 | XeLoN | Could it be a problem? |
| 20:38.12 | stew | no |
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| 20:38.27 | cydork | XeLoN: no |
| 20:38.51 | danf_1979 | How can I disable MORE (like in cat | more) for a given program when the window is smaller than the output ? Let me explain why is it a problem for me. I'm coding a program that talks to dpkg-reconfigure. The problem is that when executing "LANG=C dpkg-reconfigure --frontend=readline postfix" I expect the first question, but instead all I'm getting is the [MORE] string. Is there any way to disable this? |
| 20:40.34 | dn4 | http://www.yousendit.com/transfer.php?action=download&ufid=B1DF61515FD4D163 <<- that is what my qjackctl looks like with ardour2 up and running, how do I route it so that the line in on the soundcard is recorded in ardour2? |
| 20:41.22 | azeem | danf_1979: are you sure you want to talk to dpkg-reconfigure like that? |
| 20:41.32 | azeem | danf_1979: you can talk directly to the debconf database |
| 20:42.23 | danf_1979 | azeem, I'll google that, thanks for the tip |
| 20:42.47 | dimsumiirc | ReConfigurateHymn! :) |
| 20:43.09 | Eulex | are there floppies for amd64 sarge somewhere? |
| 20:44.29 | dimsumiirc | danf_1979: cat | more HIT-CTRL+C HERE :) |
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| 20:49.01 | danf_1979 | azeem, that seems like a lot more work to do. I think I will try to talk to debconf in a future version... |
| 20:49.26 | ugly | Debian etch installer beta 2 recognizes my SATA controller/HD in my laptop, but doesn't recognize the CDROM (I have generic scsi and scsi CD-ROM loaded). I'm assuming this cdrom drive IS SATA and is connected to the same controller... |
| 20:49.35 | |dennis| | Eulex:the installer images are at http://http.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/installer-amd64/current/images/ but i dont see floppy..so not too sure if there are any..hmm...i am looking for emm too.. |
| 20:52.02 | Eulex | |dennis|, oh, nice, hd-media installer :) that one will work equally well :) |
| 20:52.03 | anapivirtua | Hard gay foo |
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| 20:53.22 | azeem | anapivirtua: huh? |
| 20:53.31 | anapivirtua | azeem, sorry private joke :) |
| 20:53.39 | stew | anapivirtua: please keep it private then |
| 20:53.41 | azeem | anapivirtua: well, drop that nonsene in here |
| 20:53.49 | anapivirtua | amsg sorry... |
| 20:53.51 | anapivirtua | =x |
| 20:54.01 | cydork | ugly: try http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto |
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| 20:55.24 | _al_ | someone else having problems with connecting to http://cdimage.debian.org ? |
| 20:55.28 | ugly | cydork: thanks |
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| 20:56.17 | xsappyx | _al_: ya... |
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| 20:56.24 | idoru` | hi all |
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| 20:56.31 | mrcheeks | Hi everybody |
| 20:57.07 | mrcheeks | I would like to create a Mac OS X installer on Debian. I heard about hdutil. It is enough? |
| 20:57.19 | |dennis| | _al_: yes me too..since this morning..blank pages..no pages...weird.. |
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| 20:57.54 | |dennis| | anyone knows what the problem with cdimage.debian.org is? |
| 20:57.54 | _al_ | ok |
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| 21:00.26 | anisfarhana | hello all |
| 21:00.28 | anisfarhana | greetings |
| 21:00.29 | anisfarhana | :D |
| 21:01.05 | anisfarhana | stupid question : i have installed proftd on debian sarge 3.1 , the question is , does i need to adduser for ftp account on that server ? |
| 21:02.49 | anisfarhana | hoho , too stupid question :D |
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| 21:04.39 | megaissues | how do I reconfigure the network? |
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| 21:05.23 | xsappyx | megaissues: check out /etc/network/interfaces |
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| 21:20.16 | anapivirtua | Nighty. |
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| 21:20.54 | megaissues | hi |
| 21:20.57 | megaissues | how do I reconfigure the network with the dialog? |
| 21:21.01 | megaissues | not the manual way |
| 21:21.13 | jeffloc | I'm using debian etch. I decided to compile a few packages to see if it would speed up a bit . I used apt-get -b source package , then installed with dpkg. The problem is , the next time I did apt-get upgrade it wanted to replace the packages I compiled even though they are the same version. Is there any way to stop that hapenning? |
| 21:21.52 | azeem | jeffloc: put the packages on hold |
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| 21:22.09 | jeffloc | how is that done ? |
| 21:22.10 | megaissues | is there a way to configure the network with the dialog? |
| 21:22.19 | azeem | !hold |
| 21:22.19 | dpkg | hold is a status flag to tell apt not to automatically upgrade a package. apt will place packages on hold if they require packages that are not currently installable; you can 'apt-get install pkgname' to explicitly install the package. To put a package on hold, 'echo pkgname hold | dpkg --set-selections' |
| 21:22.48 | jeffloc | ok, thankyou |
| 21:23.33 | zinx | megaissues: you can reconfigure netbase, but i doubt that will give you the options you're wanting |
| 21:23.35 | ArmEagle | argh. <1MB freespace left. |
| 21:23.41 | ArmEagle | what other packages can i delete.. :P |
| 21:23.48 | ArmEagle | oh wait.. logfiles.. |
| 21:23.55 | megaissues | I can't seem to freaking connect this time |
| 21:24.39 | megaissues | netbase isn't working |
| 21:25.37 | ArmEagle | ok 43m. big apache logfile :P |
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| 21:29.13 | GnX_ | hola todos |
| 21:29.25 | GnX_ | de donde pudo bajar debian etch para amd64 |
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| 21:29.47 | stew | !es |
| 21:29.47 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 21:29.53 | centosian | anyone ever use software based raid10? |
| 21:30.49 | GnX_ | i need debian etch amd64 for download |
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| 21:31.43 | blutkind | hey to add a second interface |
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| 21:31.57 | blutkind | do i just create the iface eth1 ... etc. in the interfaces file? |
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| 21:32.51 | Jenkens | hrm |
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| 21:32.59 | Datentod | Anyone how I can search in shell for a "TAB" character? |
| 21:33.04 | Jenkens | when i do that package hold, i get dpkg --set-selections not found |
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| 21:33.50 | Jenkens | nevermind |
| 21:33.50 | Jenkens | duh |
| 21:34.24 | |dennis| | I am trying to run a network installexcept..i dont want to point it to the web..i downlaoded the etch dvd-iso and mounted them on my web server...now on the machine i am tryin to install ..i get this in the sources file.>> # Line commented out by installer because it failed to verify: << any ideas as to why?? |
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| 21:35.46 | Hocus | how do i can execute a program EXACTLY after grub ? |
| 21:36.01 | Hocus | or btw as sooner as possible ? |
| 21:36.26 | Flowking | Hocus: terminal server |
| 21:36.47 | Flowking | Hocus: dhcpd and tftp |
| 21:36.53 | Hocus | er.... i mean during the boot sequence ... |
| 21:37.42 | Flowking | check /etc/rc.d/rc.your_runlevel |
| 21:37.54 | stew | Hocus: during the initrd? |
| 21:38.02 | Flowking | S0 is executed before S1 |
| 21:38.08 | stew | Hocus: are you using an initrd kernel? |
| 21:38.09 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 21:38.16 | Hocus | just the sooner as possible |
| 21:38.17 | Hocus | ;) |
| 21:38.19 | Jenkens | getting md5sum mismatches for the src repositories on kernel.org |
| 21:38.23 | Hocus | () |
| 21:38.24 | Flowking | stew: then it needs to be added into the initrd |
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| 21:38.50 | stew | Hocus: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:39.06 | Hocus | 2.6.8-2 |
| 21:39.17 | Hocus | btw it has initrd |
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| 21:39.53 | stew | Hocus: then you can add whatever you ened to the init script in the initrd, but you'd have to copy whatever else that command depends on into the initrd |
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| 21:40.36 | stew | Hocus: out of curiosity, what are you trying to do? |
| 21:40.41 | megaissues | hi |
| 21:40.48 | Hocus | just a tool to set the screen font color black |
| 21:40.49 | Hocus | ;) |
| 21:40.49 | section3 | is it possible to create a new directory and new file in one command...something like 'touch newdir/newfile' |
| 21:40.59 | megaissues | is there a way to configure the network again with some dialog form? |
| 21:41.09 | megaissues | ? network configuration |
| 21:41.31 | stew | megaissues: no but you can install and run etherconf |
| 21:41.45 | megaissues | stew: this is static stuff |
| 21:42.00 | megaissues | what about base config or something similar |
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| 21:42.15 | megaissues | ? base config |
| 21:42.26 | stew | megaissues: there is no network configuration in base-config |
| 21:42.48 | megaissues | when I was installing it I remember seeing network configuration |
| 21:43.00 | stew | yeah, during the first stage of the installer |
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| 21:43.14 | megaissues | here /etc/network/interfaces does seem to work |
| 21:43.14 | stew | base-config is the second stage though |
| 21:43.18 | megaissues | aha |
| 21:43.20 | Jenkens | hrmm |
| 21:43.28 | Jenkens | Failed to fetch http://mirrors.kernel.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz MD5Sum mismatch |
| 21:43.29 | Jenkens | suck |
| 21:43.32 | stew | megaissues: you can edit it by hand or use etherconf |
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| 21:44.04 | megaissues | stew: how on earth can I install etherconf if I can download to begin with |
| 21:44.14 | megaissues | can't |
| 21:44.18 | megaissues | * |
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| 21:44.25 | stew | megaissues: how on earth can you use irc if you have no network |
| 21:44.36 | megaissues | because this is a different putter |
| 21:44.49 | megaissues | and before the other was working just fine |
| 21:44.51 | stew | megaissues: use that computer to download it from http://packages.debian.org/etherconf |
| 21:44.55 | Foris | Hey all, can some experienced user please tell me how in debian to stealth all my ports, and to not reply to icmp echo (ping) requests? |
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| 21:45.09 | stew | megaissues: or just fix /etc/network/interfaces : /msg dpkg man interfaces |
| 21:45.11 | megaissues | the two previous installations I was able to do it |
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| 21:45.32 | Foris | anyone? |
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| 21:45.49 | megaissues | stew: should I touch the network line? |
| 21:45.53 | stew | Foris: iptables -A INPUT -j DROP |
| 21:46.18 | megaissues | I know I need address net mask gateway and dns name server |
| 21:46.33 | Foris | stew: Why do I doubt typing just that will stealth everything? =[ |
| 21:46.43 | stew | Foris: dunno |
| 21:46.48 | megaissues | what about broadcast and network? Those are like leftovers |
| 21:46.57 | Foris | stew: Will it really? |
| 21:46.58 | stew | Foris: actually that would probably do more than just that |
| 21:47.03 | Jenkens | hrm seems non-free and main repositories for etch are janky right now |
| 21:47.20 | stew | Foris: you probably need to do more than that, you need to allow related,established first |
| 21:47.36 | Jenkens | http://rafb.net/paste/results/0Gfgxd68.html |
| 21:47.58 | Foris | stCan I copy my iptables from fedora? |
| 21:48.04 | megaissues | can someone give me a hand? |
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| 21:48.35 | stew | Foris: if you have an iptables script, sure |
| 21:49.02 | megaissues | when I change interfaces do I have to restart some service? |
| 21:49.09 | megaissues | how do I restart interfaces |
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| 21:49.40 | stew | Foris: you want "iptables -F ; iptables -A -m state --state ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT ; iptables -A INPUT -j DROP" would probably do what you are asking. you should, of course try to understand what that is actually doing though |
| 21:50.02 | xsappyx | megaissues: ifup/ifdown/ifconfig//etc/init.d/networking restart/.. |
| 21:50.13 | stew | Foris: but the "stealth" you are asking for is accomplished by -j DROP, which just tell the kernel to ignore the incoming packet |
| 21:50.14 | Foris | stew: yea, well I ahve NO clue |
| 21:50.23 | Foris | stew: oh |
| 21:50.46 | stew | Foris: those three commands say, Flush the filter table, allow incoming packets for existing connections, and drop any other packets |
| 21:51.41 | Foris | stew: then iptables --save? |
| 21:51.53 | stew | Foris: no, you have to create a script |
| 21:52.06 | stew | Foris: read /usr/share/doc/iptables/README.Debian |
| 21:52.34 | stew | Foris: understand that this closes every single incoming port, no ssh, nothing will be reachable from the outside world |
| 21:52.49 | Foris | gooood |
| 21:53.04 | Foris | How I like it |
| 21:53.15 | Jenkens | anyone else getting those md5sum errors on etc/main and non-free from apt-get update? |
| 21:53.47 | Eulex | !apt secure |
| 21:53.47 | dpkg | somebody said apt secure was in version >= 0.6 apt has the ability to verify gpg signatures of packages. read about it here: http://wiki.debian.org/SecureApt also see http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/174, or ask me about <apt-key 4F368D5D>, or ask me about <2006 key> |
| 21:53.51 | Eulex | !2006 key |
| 21:53.52 | dpkg | [2006 key] apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 21:53.57 | Eulex | Jenkens, ^^ |
| 21:54.05 | Jenkens | eulex: http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/etch/main/binary-sparc/ |
| 21:54.06 | Jenkens | err |
| 21:54.10 | zinx | md5sum errors sounds like something else |
| 21:54.11 | Jenkens | http://rafb.net/paste/results/0Gfgxd68.html |
| 21:54.19 | Jenkens | ya it's not a key problem AFAIK |
| 21:54.28 | Eulex | zinx & Jenkens, oh, true. |
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| 21:55.24 | Jenkens | maybe they are updating |
| 21:55.25 | Jenkens | hrm |
| 21:56.03 | Foris | Any pre-Fedora users which now use Debian that would like to contribute to a survey? |
| 21:56.26 | Jenkens | alright, well i'll try again later. perhaps the repositories are updating |
| 21:56.29 | Jenkens | biab |
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| 22:04.36 | dings | Is there some problem in sid with xdm/gdm killing off xorg? Or is this just happening to me? |
| 22:05.19 | iLLf8d | ding ding ding ding ding ding ding |
| 22:05.20 | dings | I am able to run xorg and run my wm in it, but not able to have gdm or xdm running.. Any ideas? |
| 22:05.31 | iLLf8d | sorry I don't have an answer just couldn't resist |
| 22:05.35 | dings | hehe |
| 22:06.30 | iLLf8d | I haven't updated recently so I couldn't tellya |
| 22:06.38 | iLLf8d | or upgraded for that matter |
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| 22:07.41 | dings | funny thing is that I dont get any output in any logs either.. |
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| 22:09.02 | gentgeen__ | anyone know what happened with testing and the hp officejet 4200 series drivers? |
| 22:09.21 | gentgeen__ | did an aptitude -upgrade and now my printer does not work |
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| 22:10.28 | ecliptik | I just installed etch on a sun sparc, and it looks like it's loading the wrong SCSI modules, during the install I manually choose one, but on boot it doesn't use it. Is there a way to have it load a module from the SILO prompt? |
| 22:12.47 | Flowking | Hello friends! |
| 22:13.06 | Flowking | ecliptik: raven or 10 ? |
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| 22:13.41 | ecliptik | Flowking, I left it alone and it dropped me into a shell, which allowed me to modprobe the correct module, now I just need to make sure it's loaded on boot |
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| 22:15.20 | Jenkens | gah they're still borked. |
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| 22:15.28 | marccd | anybody in here have resumes I can look at? |
| 22:15.35 | ecliptik | ummm, how do I add a module to load on boot? |
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| 22:16.01 | marccd | ecliptik, /etc/modules |
| 22:16.45 | ecliptik | marccd, thanks, that's what I thought, and the module I want to load is in there, but didn't bring up the hard drive on boot |
| 22:16.59 | marccd | ecliptik, what fs? |
| 22:17.12 | marccd | fstab is usually mounted before the modules are loaded |
| 22:17.24 | marccd | you might want to include that fs module as built in |
| 22:17.26 | ecliptik | marccd, just normal ext3 |
| 22:17.36 | marccd | then? |
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| 22:19.22 | Jenkens | no, seriouslythis md5sum stuff is old already! |
| 22:19.43 | zinx | Jenkens: try different mirrors |
| 22:19.43 | marccd | use sha1 |
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| 22:20.22 | ecliptik | marccd, when the system boots it tries to load the qla2xxx module for the fibre drive controller which fails with a NVRAM error, the root file system doesn't load, and when I let it sit for 5 minutes it drops me into a initrd shell, where I then modprobe qlogicfc the hard drive works, now all I need it to do is load on boot |
| 22:20.25 | Jenkens | zinx> i have... debian's us mirror and kernel.org |
| 22:20.43 | marccd | ecliptik, ok |
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| 22:21.19 | ecliptik | marccd, in /etc/modules it shows the qlogicfc, maybe I have to blacklist qla2xxx? |
| 22:21.25 | marccd | Eclipser, yes |
| 22:21.30 | marccd | !blacklist |
| 22:21.31 | dpkg | blacklist is probably Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 22:21.44 | marccd | hope that helps ecliptik |
| 22:22.03 | ecliptik | I'll give it a shot |
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| 22:24.30 | ecliptik | ugh, that didn't work |
| 22:24.55 | ecliptik | still loads the module and fails with a "inconsistedn NVRAM" error |
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| 22:25.20 | Foris | How do I get security updates on debian? |
| 22:25.21 | HelmutG | Hi. Has anyone succeeded in working with the newer bluez-* packages (3.x)? 2.x (on testing) seemed to work for me, but 3.x seems completely unusable (cannot establish a connection because of pin mismatches and bluez-pin needs a nmu), so any suggestions? |
| 22:25.59 | marccd | ecliptik, then just remove the module |
| 22:26.06 | marccd | wipe it from the hard drive if you wont use it |
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| 22:26.20 | ecliptik | cool, I'll give it a shot |
| 22:28.34 | madclicker | love the rollout of the new squid package |
| 22:28.42 | madclicker | for etch |
| 22:29.01 | madclicker | broke the original pretty good |
| 22:29.23 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:29.42 | Jenkens | anyone else getting those md5sum matches ? |
| 22:29.49 | Jenkens | missmatches that is |
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| 22:31.47 | Jenkens | http://axpr.net/?show=615 |
| 22:31.55 | ecliptik | marccd, same thing, I'll look around with some of these errors I'm getting and see if I can find anything else, thanks |
| 22:32.13 | marccd | ecliptik, welcome to linux |
| 22:32.59 | ecliptik | haha, it's not the first time, although I have to say getting etch installed on a sunfire is a task, least know I know how to do a bootp install, haha |
| 22:34.20 | Foris | How do I get security updates on debian??? |
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| 22:36.54 | stew | GnX_: please turn that off in here |
| 22:37.12 | Foris | okok |
| 22:37.23 | Foris | how do i get The etch version of gnome on my sarge box? |
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| 22:37.50 | marccd | Foris, just update, or use apt pinning and go into dependency hell |
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| 22:38.32 | Foris | but the sarge version of GNOME is soo outdated |
| 22:38.33 | stew | Foris: you should not install testing pacakges onto stable: /msg dpkg backports ; /msg dpkg bpo |
| 22:38.42 | marccd | Foris, sarge is outdated, and will stay so |
| 22:38.48 | marccd | update to etch, its stable enough and pretty up to date |
| 22:38.58 | Foris | ughh |
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| 22:39.05 | Foris | I just want like 4 programs to be new |
| 22:39.07 | marccd | its debian, love it or leave it |
| 22:39.11 | marccd | then use apt-pinning |
| 22:39.19 | marccd | but for example gnome will update half your gui system |
| 22:39.28 | marccd | it has half a billion dependencies |
| 22:39.38 | marccd | and subdependencies that will screw up your system in the long run |
| 22:39.48 | thingfish | sarge is not outdated, it's stable. I bet you use windows xp, and it's five years old. |
| 22:40.06 | marccd | well yeah I did not mean the system itself, its stable |
| 22:40.23 | marccd | but the software packages you are able to get through apt, are extremely stable, but outdated for desktop users that want the new bling |
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| 22:40.45 | thingfish | oh well no argument there I guess, although I use sarge as a desktop and I love it. |
| 22:40.56 | Foris | You use gnome? |
| 22:40.57 | sarra_ | I'm going to be installing Debian in a few minutes on a Dual Core, SLI desktop |
| 22:40.59 | marccd | love will be love |
| 22:41.09 | thingfish | Foris: who? |
| 22:41.12 | Foris | you |
| 22:41.12 | Chronis_X | system always gets IP from DHCP, even though /etc/network/interfaces says static, and "nodhcp" boot param is used. Console says "eth0: flipped to 10baseT" sometimes. feather/knoppix distro. Anyone know why I wouldn't be able to have a static IP? |
| 22:41.20 | thingfish | Foris: of course. :) |
| 22:41.37 | marccd | Chronis_X, check out there isnt any dhcpd running (pgrep dhc) |
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| 22:41.46 | Tallu | what command should I use to reconfigure my keyboard layout for x / gnome. I can see the error with gconftool-2 -R /desktop/gnome/peripherals/keyboard/xkb |
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| 22:42.14 | marccd | Tallu, gconftool should have a set option, read its manpage |
| 22:42.15 | Chronis_X | marccd thx, pgrep dhc didnt return anything just went back to prompt |
| 22:42.30 | marccd | Chronis_X, check in /etc/init.d |
| 22:42.50 | marccd | ChanServ, if interfaces has it static, there is no reason for it to be getting dhcp, try ifconfing it down, removing the module, etc |
| 22:43.04 | Tallu | marccd: hmm kay |
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| 22:43.11 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 22:43.14 | dazjorz | -->##linux |
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| 22:44.10 | Chronis_X | marccd init.d is a directory containing no 'dhc' |
| 22:44.32 | marccd | Chronis_X, that was a typo, check for anything related to dhcp |
| 22:44.37 | marccd | Chronis_X, pgrep -i dhcp |
| 22:44.49 | marccd | Chronis_X, no -i sorry |
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| 22:45.07 | marccd | or just ps ax and see if there is anything running that is making you dhcp |
| 22:45.07 | reiffert | pgrep your whole subnet. |
| 22:45.32 | Chronis_X | nothing |
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| 22:46.04 | marccd | what distro? what environment (gui if all) ? |
| 22:46.34 | Chronis_X | when I run netcardconfig.sh it loades my /etc/network/interfaces stuff for the defaults, makes me hit enter, then uses the static IP. Using Feather 7.5 Knoppix Debian |
| 22:46.53 | Chronis_X | I cant figure out why it always uses dhcp to get IP when it boots up |
| 22:47.03 | marccd | !knoppix |
| 22:47.03 | dpkg | Knoppix is _not_ Debian. Seek Knoppix help in freenode's #knoppix. Knoppix is a live CD distro which is <based on Debian>, useful as a rescue CD, to test hardware, and for situations where you have access to a computer but it isn't Debian. http://www.knoppix.com/ |
| 22:47.12 | Chronis_X | really? |
| 22:47.16 | Foris | !kanotix |
| 22:47.17 | dpkg | i heard kanotix is not Debian, and we can't help you. Go /join #kanotix, or such a big fan of debian, it has sources for woody, sarge AND sid in sources.list (sid default) See <Based On Debian>, or go to #kanotix |
| 22:47.20 | marccd | yes really, dpkg doenst lie |
| 22:47.27 | marccd | and knoppix probably does dhcp by default if its a live cd |
| 22:47.31 | Foris | !liar |
| 22:47.32 | dpkg | rumour has it, liar is me |
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| 22:47.50 | Chronis_X | but but it has apt-get and everything |
| 22:47.59 | marccd | so does Ubuntu and many other distros |
| 22:48.02 | tralala | Chronis_X: knoppix uses pump if you boot off the live cd, perhaps it has a cheetcode not to use it (check the docs) |
| 22:48.11 | marccd | apt-get is so good that it is used by half a million distros |
| 22:48.20 | marccd | that is why ubuntu and debian hate each other |
| 22:48.25 | Jenkens | i dont think that many distroes exist. |
| 22:48.33 | dazjorz | Jenkens: Hundreds. |
| 22:48.47 | dazjorz | Maybe even thousands. |
| 22:48.50 | Jenkens | perhaps. |
| 22:48.52 | dazjorz | And my laptops battery is low. Dang. |
| 22:49.01 | dazjorz | Jenkens: For sure. |
| 22:49.08 | marccd | Chronis_X, anyways, you wont find knoppix help here, now I have an excuse for not helping you. Isn't irc wonderful?, but seriously check #knoppix |
| 22:49.10 | Jenkens | you didn't seem 'sure' about 'maybe even thousands' |
| 22:49.14 | stew | marccd: ubuntu and debian don't hate eachother, most of the ubuntu developer are debian developers, plesae don't say such nonsense |
| 22:49.18 | Foris | danjorz: get the charger. |
| 22:49.20 | Jenkens | 'maybe' does not enstill the idea that you are sure |
| 22:49.42 | marccd | stew, I know they share devs, but Ubuntu took debian and made it usable for the average windows joe, and has become more popular, I imagine there must be a little resentment |
| 22:49.53 | Chronis_X | drat |
| 22:49.54 | marccd | even Ian Murdock blogged about it |
| 22:50.05 | Chronis_X | foiled again |
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| 22:51.34 | Tallu | marccd: used gconf-editor :) |
| 22:51.43 | marccd | Tallu, ah if you have a gui its much easier |
| 22:51.56 | marccd | Tallu, I have a similar problem with a gconf setting that crashes my gnome session, so I stopped using gnome |
| 22:52.13 | Tallu | marccd: ahh, okay |
| 22:52.53 | tralala | gconf reminds me so much of the windows registry that I can't force myself into using it |
| 22:53.23 | thingfish | hehe |
| 22:54.08 | linux2 | how can i tell what processors my kernel sees? |
| 22:54.11 | linux2 | since i have two |
| 22:54.20 | Foris | What the hell is usenet, and how do I USE it |
| 22:54.25 | marccd | linux2, see /proc/cpuinfo afaik |
| 22:54.32 | Foris | !usenet |
| 22:54.32 | dpkg | i heard usenet is a damn good place to find porn!, or a clause as stated by bignose, "As a usenet thread grows longer, the probability of someone mentioning Hitler approaches one." i.e. You lose! |
| 22:54.42 | marccd | linux2, or dmesg |
| 22:55.07 | thingfish | linux cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 22:55.19 | thingfish | oops I meant linux2 |
| 22:56.10 | linux2 | ok so if it sees both can i use both? |
| 22:56.17 | marccd | it should use both |
| 22:56.17 | linux2 | for multi threaded mp3 encoding |
| 22:56.30 | marccd | it depends on the software, with GNU make you do make -j2 |
| 22:56.34 | tralala | linux2: only if your encoding app supports it |
| 22:56.45 | linux2 | im using lame |
| 22:56.49 | linux2 | anyone know if that supports it |
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| 22:56.52 | marccd | check their docs and website |
| 22:56.58 | thingfish | what does uname -r print, linux2? |
| 22:57.04 | marccd | if it does not, its just lame |
| 22:57.24 | linux2 | 2.6.15-26-686 |
| 22:57.25 | tralala | oh wait - but it really is lame! |
| 22:57.29 | linux2 | lol |
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| 22:57.51 | marccd | its not smp, get a smp kernel linux2 |
| 22:57.56 | tralala | linux2: you're supposed to use an smp kernel |
| 22:57.57 | thingfish | linux2: you need that same version, but the -smp one. |
| 22:58.46 | stew | linux2: you are running a ubuntu kernel? |
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| 22:59.19 | stew | yup, looks like it |
| 22:59.54 | marccd | who has the honors of !ubuntu ? |
| 23:00.05 | linux2 | i am using ubuntu |
| 23:00.08 | thingfish | well that's just disappointing. |
| 23:00.13 | stew | linux2: please go to #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 23:00.16 | linux2 | but just the kernel |
| 23:00.16 | marccd | !tell linux2 about ubuntu |
| 23:00.17 | thingfish | tsk tsk tsk |
| 23:00.24 | linux2 | i have a very good reason |
| 23:00.28 | linux2 | very good one indeed |
| 23:00.32 | thingfish | oh yeah I'm sure. |
| 23:00.35 | linux2 | for just using the kernel |
| 23:00.36 | marccd | I dont think anybody cares |
| 23:00.53 | linux2 | ok well would you use the ubuntu kernel if your mouse worked correctly with it? |
| 23:00.57 | linux2 | hummm? |
| 23:00.57 | marccd | see debian is like the mafia |
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| 23:00.58 | linux2 | would you |
| 23:01.05 | marccd | linux2, ubuntu and debian kernels are similar |
| 23:01.12 | linux2 | my mouse with the debian kernel spazzes out |
| 23:01.12 | marccd | and yours is not a good reason |
| 23:01.16 | cafuego | Last I checked those ubuntu kernels all have smp enabled byd efault. |
| 23:01.17 | thingfish | marccd: you mean all debian users are sicilian? |
| 23:01.24 | linux2 | it causes a series of errors |
| 23:01.26 | tralala | linux2: more power to you, now get the -smp kernel and check if lame supports threads. Feel free to let us know if it works. |
| 23:01.26 | marccd | thingfish, all mafias arent sicilian |
| 23:01.27 | stew | cafuego: they do |
| 23:01.30 | thingfish | I mean I know I am. :) |
| 23:01.40 | stew | tralala: he has a smp kernel |
| 23:01.44 | ryan` | is there any way to get apt to ignore the fact that a package has broken dependancies? |
| 23:01.50 | cafuego | stew: Yeah, I last checked by running `uname -a' 15 seconds ago ;-) |
| 23:01.50 | marccd | would a multi core cpu classify as smp? |
| 23:01.59 | thingfish | yes |
| 23:02.00 | linux2 | hey i would use the debian kernel if my touchpad mouse worked in it |
| 23:02.01 | tralala | marccd: yes |
| 23:02.01 | cafuego | marccd: Yes, but... |
| 23:02.07 | linux2 | but doesn't look like that will be fixed for a while |
| 23:02.10 | linux2 | a really long time |
| 23:02.17 | linux2 | so im using the ubuntu kernel untill then |
| 23:02.22 | linux2 | as much as i dislike it |
| 23:02.29 | tralala | linux2: there is also backports.org |
| 23:02.34 | marccd | cafuego, I've seen a G5 do a make -j4 on GnuPG source, and it just flew.. amazing |
| 23:02.50 | thingfish | yeah linux2, there's backports.org for crying out loud. |
| 23:03.00 | cafuego | marccd: <heh> yeah... the special case is hyperthreading. |
| 23:03.20 | linux2 | and what is there? |
| 23:03.29 | marccd | dont know, backports maybe? |
| 23:03.41 | marccd | lucky you |
| 23:03.43 | thingfish | linux2: go there and look and see. |
| 23:03.46 | cafuego | not for me |
| 23:03.48 | tralala | linux2: I bet it would have taken you less time to open the browser than to type the question in here |
| 23:03.56 | cafuego | for someone who is upgrading from a 233MHz G3 laptop |
| 23:04.06 | marccd | well he or she deserved it |
| 23:04.07 | bytelock | afternoon? where you at? Hawaii? |
| 23:04.11 | thingfish | I wish I could afford one of these new core 2 duos that everyone's raving about. |
| 23:04.29 | cafuego | Flowking: No, you got that wrong. |
| 23:04.34 | Jenkens | !gentoo |
| 23:04.34 | dpkg | from memory, gentoo is a ports-based Linux distro for x86, PowerPC, Sparc, Sparc64. Maybe akin to BSD. Something you don't want to administer more than 2 of. Nice file browser. Its users are gentoobies. See Also http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2003/44/ http://www.devcave.net/termos/funny/gentoo.htm http://www.funroll-loops.org/ or ask me about 'greenhouse'. bash.org/?464385 or rice rice rice rice, or http://www.arouse.net/despair-linux/gentoo.jpg |
| 23:04.35 | *** mode/#debian [+o stew] by ChanServ |
| 23:04.35 | *** mode/#debian [+b %*!*@h215n2fls33o823.telia.com] by stew |
| 23:04.35 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 23:04.44 | Foris | !freebsd |
| 23:04.45 | dpkg | [freebsd] NOT better than debian, and it is not worse. It is just different. See http://www.freebsd.org/. Admittedly one might be more interested in using FreeBSD as a server OS rather than as a desktop workstation. there exists debian gnu/kfreebsd, see #gnu-kbsd |
| 23:04.45 | thingfish | oh don't you just love that stew? |
| 23:04.53 | linux2 | im running debian testing |
| 23:04.55 | linux2 | or etch |
| 23:04.56 | stew | Foris: please /msg the bot |
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| 23:05.01 | linux2 | so backports doesn't do anythign for me |
| 23:05.14 | linux2 | basically ubuntu kernell has a patch that makes acpi work correctly under linux |
| 23:05.15 | cafuego | linux2: kernel.org is a nice place ;-) |
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| 23:05.28 | linux2 | cafuego, i already compiled latest and got same error |
| 23:06.44 | tralala | linux2: okay then. Now you can go back to lame |
| 23:06.45 | ryan` | any way to lie to the dpkg database about the status of a package? |
| 23:06.55 | stew | ryan`: why do you want to? |
| 23:06.56 | marccd | ryan`, dpkg -l ? |
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| 23:07.09 | stew | ryan`: what package are you having trouble with? |
| 23:07.13 | marccd | ryan`, ooh lie, sorry try what was it called.. |
| 23:07.17 | ryan` | stew: I've got a third part package with a dependancy issue. |
| 23:07.19 | marccd | to forge packages |
| 23:07.21 | linux2 | anyone know when my new laptop will work correctly using the debian kernel |
| 23:07.22 | ryan` | party |
| 23:07.24 | linux2 | just so you guys all know |
| 23:07.28 | marccd | similars?, ro something like that ryan` |
| 23:07.29 | linux2 | it is a hp dv5000t |
| 23:07.35 | stew | ryan`: perhaps /msg dpkg equivs |
| 23:07.36 | marccd | !tell ryan about equivs |
| 23:07.44 | ryan` | i installed it with the force option do ignore deps |
| 23:08.00 | ryan` | damnit, can';t tyope |
| 23:08.02 | ryan` | arg |
| 23:08.25 | ryan` | stew: apt won't let me do anything till i fix this |
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| 23:08.37 | stew | ryan`: in general you don't want to ignore deps, if you are going to satisfy the dependency some other way then use equivs, if you thing that the dependency is erroneous, edit the control file |
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| 23:08.55 | ryan` | stew: any way to do that without rebuilding the package? |
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| 23:09.29 | ryan` | stew, it's pptpd, it wants a later version of pppd installed, but the earlier one i have is patched with the needed feature. |
| 23:09.36 | stew | ryan`: yes, the package is just a ar archive of two .tar.gzs the control.tar.gz contains the control file |
| 23:09.58 | stew | ryan`: where did you get this earlier one? |
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| 23:10.29 | nox-Hand | Someone should kill Debians website |
| 23:10.33 | Spliffter | Could someone give me a link to a list of the officially recommended sarge repositories? |
| 23:10.50 | tralala | Spliffter: debian.org |
| 23:10.58 | stew | nox-Hand: ? |
| 23:10.59 | marccd | nox-Hand, its getting old, I mean its not web2.0, what an abomination |
| 23:11.05 | nox-Hand | There are THOUSANDS of files, and I just need the right frigging one... I just want i386 Stable download....but there are so many.. |
| 23:11.33 | nox-Hand | marccd, It's ugly, looks like it was made in the early nineties, where it might have been nice looking, and it makes the distribution look like it's falling behind, |
| 23:11.39 | Spliffter | tralala: Where exactly on debian.org? |
| 23:11.42 | Guerin | !d-i nox-Hand |
| 23:11.43 | dpkg | nox-Hand, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:11.44 | tralala | nox-Hand: choose a distro that only supports one architecture and it will be really easy there |
| 23:11.55 | tralala | Spliffter: the mirror list |
| 23:12.00 | nox-Hand | And I mean, come on, it's not hard to make a good website :P |
| 23:12.01 | marccd | nox-Hand, well appearances can be deceiving, but stereotypes run wild!!. |
| 23:12.12 | nox-Hand | marccd, ^^ |
| 23:12.12 | Guerin | nox-Hand: offer your services |
| 23:12.27 | nox-Hand | Guerin, o.o, it's a rather large site... **considers** |
| 23:12.34 | Spliffter | tralala: Where on debian.org can I find the mirror list? I have looked for it. |
| 23:12.35 | Guerin | nox-Hand: i take it with that attitude you're a successful professional web developer |
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| 23:12.45 | tralala | nox-Hand: voulenteers are accepted. I'm sure if you send a patch for the site it will be carefully considered. |
| 23:13.09 | stew | nox-Hand: did you try the "getting debian" link on debian.org? |
| 23:13.10 | nox-Hand | Guerin, aspiring, not successful yet, but I know there are enough out there to make a HUGE distribution like this deserve a good site |
| 23:13.21 | nox-Hand | stew, |
| 23:13.22 | nox-Hand | Yes |
| 23:13.23 | tralala | Spliffter: if you can't find it on debian.org try googling for debian mirrors |
| 23:13.58 | nox-Hand | stew, I was met with...The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. |
| 23:14.02 | nox-Hand | ^^ |
| 23:14.11 | ryan` | stew, how do you rebuild the ar archive? |
| 23:14.16 | Guerin | Spliffter: debian.org, click "network install", click "minimal cd" |
| 23:14.33 | stew | nox-Hand: try again, the server was down and is currently getting flooded |
| 23:14.40 | nox-Hand | Yay |
| 23:14.43 | stew | nox-Hand: you are looking for a i386 netinst? |
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| 23:15.00 | nox-Hand | stew, I think I dropped that idea |
| 23:15.08 | stew | nox-Hand: do you have a debian related question? |
| 23:15.14 | stew | nox-Hand: or are you just here to complain? |
| 23:15.36 | nox-Hand | I can't be bothered with all the floppywork, and I think it's a waste for a DVD to splat a 100mb ISO on it, and I am out of CD's :P |
| 23:15.41 | nox-Hand | stew, the latter :) |
| 23:15.47 | stew | nox-Hand: please don't bother. |
| 23:16.20 | stew | nox-Hand: if you have a question, we'd be happy to answer, but otherwise please just move on |
| 23:16.29 | nox-Hand | stew, Not to worry, I just like to say hello before installing a distro :) **moves on** |
| 23:16.39 | Jenkens | gah |
| 23:16.47 | nox-Hand | Jenkens,? |
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| 23:17.12 | streuner | Guerin: everything ok? |
| 23:17.18 | Jenkens | oh this repository stuff that isn't clearing up |
| 23:17.27 | Guerin | tippy mothafuckin' top dawg |
| 23:17.40 | streuner | hehe :-) |
| 23:17.51 | Guerin | i bought a stereo for $1.50 |
| 23:18.03 | Guerin | NZ$ |
| 23:18.11 | Guerin | so about EUR0,75 |
| 23:18.23 | nox-Hand | Guerin, Does it make you happy? |
| 23:18.34 | Guerin | nox-Hand: not yet, I haven't gone to pick it up |
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| 23:18.46 | nox-Hand | =| |
| 23:19.16 | streuner | Guerin: what fun... |
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| 23:20.45 | streuner | Guerin: any idea where the happiest people in the world live? |
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| 23:21.15 | nox-Hand | streuner, Sweden. |
| 23:21.32 | b_jonas | streuner: like in what country or more to the details? |
| 23:21.39 | streuner | nox-Hand: wrong, denmark :-) |
| 23:22.02 | Spliffter | How should I go about installing Firefox 1.5 on Debian? |
| 23:22.16 | nox-Hand | streuner, No, Denmark sucks lollypops eight years over their last sell-by date. |
| 23:22.28 | thingfish | Spliffter: see backports.org |
| 23:22.34 | Spliffter | thanks |
| 23:22.37 | streuner | Spliffter: What does 'dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1' say? |
| 23:22.41 | nox-Hand | Is 1.5 not default in apt? o_o |
| 23:22.44 | thingfish | ;) |
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| 23:23.04 | thingfish | nox-Hand: not for sarge, it's not. |
| 23:23.13 | nox-Hand | Nooooes! :o |
| 23:23.34 | Guerin | streuner: New Zealand |
| 23:24.03 | stew | nox-Hand: firefox 1.5 didn't exist when sarge was released |
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| 23:24.18 | Guerin | nox-Hand: nothing newer than June 2004 is standard in sarge |
| 23:24.21 | nox-Hand | stew, Don't they update repos? o.O |
| 23:24.35 | nox-Hand | Yoiks, Guerin |
| 23:24.40 | stew | nox-Hand: only for security fixes once it becomes stable |
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| 23:24.47 | stew | nox-Hand: that's why we're pointing him to backports |
| 23:24.50 | nox-Hand | I trust one can add support for that, so one can get all the bleeding edge? |
| 23:24.57 | streuner | Guerin: well, .nz is about rank 18 |
| 23:25.03 | nox-Hand | stew, Hmn, okay |
| 23:25.04 | streuner | Guerin: http://www.le.ac.uk/pc/aw57/world/sample.html |
| 23:25.14 | Guerin | nox-Hand: yes, but if one is unable to figure out how to do that on one's own, one is not considered read for such madness |
| 23:25.27 | streuner | Guerin: you need flash in order to see the graphic |
| 23:25.29 | nox-Hand | streuner, Why do you like Denmark? (( /me wishes to squat your highpoints of Denmark )) |
| 23:25.44 | nox-Hand | Guerin, True |
| 23:25.46 | streuner | nox-Hand: http://www.le.ac.uk/pc/aw57/world/sample.html |
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| 23:26.47 | Guerin | what stupid plugin does that require? |
| 23:26.56 | nox-Hand | streuner, Someone must really love Denmark o-o I must find them, and brutally murder them with Danish pastries |
| 23:26.57 | streuner | flash |
| 23:27.20 | Guerin | why are there so many ADHD kiddies on #d nowadays |
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| 23:27.58 | waiting | Guerin: maybe they question that it is a medical diagnosis :) |
| 23:27.59 | Guerin | i know |
| 23:27.59 | streuner | Guerin: its friday evening in europe, pretty normal for #d |
| 23:28.01 | abrotman | Guerin: you're shocked ? |
| 23:28.11 | Guerin | it's because of the proliferation of flash animations on teh intarwebs |
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| 23:28.25 | streuner | oh |
| 23:28.34 | waiting | Guerin: well, why is the ATI homepage made the way it is? |
| 23:28.43 | linux2 | anyone here willing to help with development on a website? |
| 23:29.01 | nox-Hand | linux2, What's the details? |
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| 23:29.36 | abrotman | linux2: try #web |
| 23:29.38 | linux2 | take a look at debianpackager.net/why.php (i appologize for the beige colors) |
| 23:30.08 | streuner | Guerin: there was no need to use flash (only for the ranking...) inside the picture |
| 23:30.13 | abrotman | if you're the designer .. why are you apologizing ? |
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| 23:30.35 | waiting | linux2: the site is ok, just make the lefthand menu links black :) |
| 23:30.51 | linux2 | well i mean i need some help with visual impovement mostly |
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| 23:30.58 | linux2 | im working on a lot of backend code |
| 23:31.00 | waiting | linux2: white on beige is hard to read for old farts like me .) |
| 23:31.01 | linux2 | but could use help there also |
| 23:31.12 | poonj | hey guys, what is NSS used for? |
| 23:31.53 | abrotman | ask google ? |
| 23:32.33 | waiting | linux2: can it build .deb packages? : O |
| 23:32.55 | bytelock | I started running Gentoo because I was afraid an os named after a veggie wouldn't be as good as something made up. |
| 23:33.07 | bytelock | Tight.. |
| 23:33.13 | marccd | gentoo is a vegetable? |
| 23:33.24 | bytelock | Debian, Potato. |
| 23:33.25 | marccd | I always thought it was an animal |
| 23:33.32 | marccd | debian just jacked the toy story names |
| 23:33.34 | linux2 | waiting, you bet! |
| 23:33.35 | streuner | !gentoosmite bytelock |
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| 23:33.39 | marccd | it will run out someday |
| 23:33.54 | bytelock | Yeah i'm making fun.. It's cool i run Debian. On my netra in fact. |
| 23:34.02 | linux2 | i didn't buy 7 servers for nothing |
| 23:34.03 | waiting | linux2: that's very interesting |
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| 23:35.46 | nox-Hand | Is etch good 'nuff to use? |
| 23:36.07 | bytelock | I was just reading the "Gentoo, Ricers" page.. And found most of that to be pretty on track with what i've seen. Even my own friend sums up "Watching shit scroll by for hours, makes me a linux expert!" He sincearly believes that. |
| 23:36.14 | streuner | many people use it, so i would say yes. |
| 23:36.54 | nox-Hand | streuner, I'll try it |
| 23:37.03 | nox-Hand | The old packs sound granny-like for me :P |
| 23:37.05 | bytelock | Which then amused me enough to offer up my own quote of "gentoo" humor i've heard. "The veggie, os "Debian" can't be as good as something made up." |
| 23:37.14 | Foris | IRC is like online notepad |
| 23:37.19 | Jenkens | beh |
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| 23:38.01 | waiting | Foris: except that I can stll type after pressing <Alt> ;P |
| 23:38.17 | nox-Hand | **finds minimal insatll mirror** |
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| 23:38.41 | Jenkens | http://axpr.net/?show=617 anyone got ideas ? i've tried other repositories too |
| 23:39.08 | Foris | Why did they make it so when you hold ALT and type fxfire it opens a test editor and makes an ascii cow?? |
| 23:39.42 | marccd | huh? |
| 23:39.53 | waiting | Foris: nahh ^^ windows widget set switches to menu when I press <Alt> once - a misunderstanding of <Alt> being a modifier key |
| 23:40.05 | Guerin | Foris: it's funny, laugh. |
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| 23:40.56 | Foris | what happens when you hold alt and type fxfire?? |
| 23:41.05 | Guerin | nothing |
| 23:41.11 | Guerin | that said, I'm not running debian |
| 23:41.11 | Foris | in windoze |
| 23:41.16 | Foris | it does something |
| 23:41.59 | Foris | lol |
| 23:42.12 | tralala | waiting: kde does the same |
| 23:42.22 | Foris | what does it dooo |
| 23:42.22 | waiting | tralala: cannot test either ;) |
| 23:42.37 | tralala | ;) |
| 23:42.55 | Foris | haha |
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| 23:43.21 | tralala | it handles <alt> as a menu key |
| 23:43.39 | waiting | tralala: ah |
| 23:43.45 | Foris | w.e, im testing it now |
| 23:43.46 | waiting | tralala: yes, but it can be turned off :)) |
| 23:43.49 | Foris | WISH ME LUCK |
| 23:44.01 | waiting | Foris: m/ I hope your hardware survives this |
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| 23:44.12 | Foris | It did nothing |
| 23:44.25 | waiting | :OP try harder |
| 23:45.01 | Foris | ok |
| 23:45.13 | tralala | Foris: what are you actually doing? |
| 23:46.03 | Foris | trying to decide between debian and fedora |
| 23:46.17 | thingfish | :/ |
| 23:46.24 | tralala | oh, that's easy - take debian |
| 23:46.40 | Foris | im in love with fedora |
| 23:46.42 | Foris | sexually |
| 23:47.11 | Guerin | Foris: way to get yourself a mary hairdo |
| 23:47.12 | thingfish | yeah take it from me - I used redhat/fedora from rh7 to fc3, and debian has it hands down. |
| 23:47.25 | tralala | Foris: believe me once you start using debian you won't miss being fucked by fedora again! |
| 23:47.33 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:47.48 | Foris | I ahvent had 1 issue with fedora, and yes i've used debian for a month |
| 23:48.22 | thingfish | some people like it...my work uses fedora in production, actually, as a file server. |
| 23:48.31 | thingfish | idiots. |
| 23:48.35 | Jenkens | waiting: : that's about when i dropped RH too |
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| 23:49.00 | waiting | Jenkens: I learned on it tho, that's why I cannot dis 'em :) |
| 23:49.07 | nox-Hand | Why are the mirrors so bad :( |
| 23:49.11 | Foris | check out that I ordered today :) http://www.imosh.com/NECKLACES/images/RN789%20BIG.jpg |
| 23:49.22 | marccd | mvc is hot today |
| 23:49.23 | Jenkens | nox-Hand: what problems you having? |
| 23:49.34 | nox-Hand | Can't connect to http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 23:49.39 | nox-Hand | Which I want |
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| 23:49.47 | cafuego | it seems stuck in last year with repect to pre-installed applications |
| 23:49.47 | tralala | it took me way too long to get converted - I had to try 9.0 on my poor laptop (PII). It was so painfully sloooooooooow that it made switching the distro a no-brainer decision. |
| 23:49.47 | Jenkens | Foris: : that's a bit on the emo side of life for me |
| 23:49.50 | nox-Hand | cafuego, I got FC5 last night, now time for Debian :) |
| 23:49.53 | Guerin | you cayn't always git what you wawant |
| 23:50.02 | abrotman | but if you try sometimes |
| 23:50.11 | Foris | Jenkens: How is a demonis skull goat emo? |
| 23:50.22 | Foris | Jenkens: demonic* |
| 23:50.58 | Jenkens | i dunno, go cut yourself and come back and tell us how you feel? |
| 23:51.06 | Foris | ok |
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| 23:51.09 | Foris | where do I cut? |
| 23:51.15 | cafuego | Guerin: good luck! |
| 23:51.17 | Jenkens | i dunno, ask an emo bretheren |
| 23:51.19 | marccd | self injury is not a hoke |
| 23:51.20 | Foris | (im not going to cut my penis) |
| 23:51.21 | Guerin | Foris: above the collarbone, below the chin |
| 23:51.25 | marccd | s/hoke/joke |
| 23:51.29 | Guerin | Foris: you might want to get someone else to do it for you |
| 23:51.31 | marccd | it is a serious mental concern |
| 23:51.42 | waiting | a serious metal concern? |
| 23:51.49 | marccd | just google self injury |
| 23:52.08 | cafuego | marccd: Yes, but luckily not on a linux support channel <heh> |
| 23:52.10 | Guerin | google "i'm an adhd emo wanker trying to prove something to random strangers who don't care" |
| 23:52.15 | marccd | usually related to PTSD. Self Injury != emo teenagers seeking attention |
| 23:52.37 | waiting | Guerin: does that render shoutcast.com as #1? :))) |
| 23:52.42 | cafuego | knife bounced off the avocado :-( |
| 23:52.48 | marccd | psyke.org should help |
| 23:52.49 | Foris | Guerin: Your words create a dark abyss in my soul, dark like soemthing that is really dark |
| 23:52.56 | cafuego | got a band-aid |
| 23:52.58 | Foris | conformist |
| 23:53.01 | grendelson | Guerin, I think you get dozens of video blogs! |
| 23:53.01 | Guerin | cafuego: i bought a cleaver from an asian supplies store which weighs about a kilo |
| 23:53.02 | Foris | lol |
| 23:53.02 | cafuego | and 4 months of counceling |
| 23:53.14 | Guerin | every time I pick it up, my wife says "oh, be careful" |
| 23:53.27 | cafuego | Guerin: Yeah, see, THAT wouldn't bounce off an avocado pip and into one's finger |
| 23:53.37 | grendelson | cafuego, But I like felt that avacado's pain like it was really pained ... hurt ... it was baaaad |
| 23:53.40 | Guerin | cafuego: but if it DID bounce off something ... |
| 23:53.58 | thingfish | damn now I want some avocado. |
| 23:54.02 | cafuego | Guerin: like a helmet? |
| 23:54.06 | Foris | you guys are soo conformist |
| 23:54.08 | sarra_ | Having trouble getting anything to install |
| 23:54.09 | streuner | Guerin: after or before? |
| 23:54.10 | Guerin | cafuego: sever an arm |
| 23:54.11 | cafuego | thingfish: careful, they bite |
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| 23:54.14 | thingfish | with just a little salt, yum yum yum |
| 23:54.19 | sarra_ | I can't get debian or ubuntu to install on my desktop |
| 23:54.19 | Guerin | streuner: ? |
| 23:54.25 | cafuego | thingfish: No, lime juice & pepper! |
| 23:54.27 | nox-Hand | Arrgh! This damn thing will NOT work |
| 23:54.31 | Foris | sarra_: try fedora |
| 23:54.37 | streuner | Guerin: she said this before the accident too? |
| 23:54.43 | thingfish | oh cafuego, yeah, that sounds great actually. |
| 23:54.46 | cafuego | sarra_: Why not? |
| 23:54.47 | Guerin | streuner: she's constantly saying such things |
| 23:54.51 | Jenkens | argh, farkin repos |
| 23:54.53 | streuner | oh |
| 23:54.55 | Foris | ;_;goin down down on a merry go round |
| 23:54.58 | grendelson | Damn I'm supposed to be learning QT and coding a net app for a project but there is just too much darned pr0n on the net |
| 23:54.58 | sarra_ | Foris: I'd much rathre stick with Ubuntu or Debian |
| 23:55.02 | cafuego | thingfish: it is... cross cut it first, then juice & pepper, then spoon out - yum! |
| 23:55.06 | Jenkens | i'm fully convinced the repositories hate me |
| 23:55.11 | sarra_ | it's freezing when it tries to install the ATA disk driver |
| 23:55.20 | thingfish | cafuego: definitely going to try that soon. |
| 23:55.23 | Foris | How do you learn QT, its all graphical |
| 23:55.30 | cafuego | sarra_: Does the machine have an ata controller? |
| 23:55.39 | abrotman | Foris: do you have ANY question related to this channel ? |
| 23:55.41 | sarra_ | Yes |
| 23:55.44 | Foris | yes |
| 23:55.48 | cafuego | sarra_: Which one? |
| 23:55.52 | grendelson | Foris: I am not a coder by trade - have to write an app and gui - chose QT (no i dont want a discussion of why it suxors or roxors :-) |
| 23:55.56 | sarra_ | It's a socket 939 system |
| 23:56.01 | abrotman | Foris: which would be? |
| 23:56.09 | sarra_ | NForce4's southbridge controller |
| 23:56.09 | grendelson | Just have to get strated and stop watchin downloads.... |
| 23:56.12 | abrotman | !tell sarra_ about sarge 2.6.16 |
| 23:56.25 | Foris | abrotman: How do i compile in fedora? debiandebiandebian |
| 23:56.31 | cafuego | sarra_: You'll need a newer kernel thatn the 2.6.8 in sarge. |
| 23:56.34 | abrotman | fucking idiotic troll |
| 23:56.40 | waiting | R |
| 23:56.42 | Foris | SWEAR |
| 23:56.42 | waiting | OTFL |
| 23:56.46 | sarra_ | I'm trying to install i386, not 64 bit |
| 23:56.55 | waiting | abrotman: took me a while, too ;D |
| 23:56.57 | cafuego | sarra_: yer, still. |
| 23:57.02 | stew | Foris: please keep it on topic |
| 23:57.08 | cafuego | sarra_: 2.6.8 doesn't support hardware that new. |
| 23:57.10 | thingfish | evil abounds, abrotman. |
| 23:57.13 | Foris | stew: yessir |
| 23:57.24 | Foris | Ill try to help even if I dont know! |
| 23:57.33 | cafuego | sarra_: Is the Ubuntu you tried 6.06 or 5.10? |
| 23:57.40 | sarra_ | Dapper |
| 23:57.42 | sarra_ | 6.06 |
| 23:57.44 | cafuego | ok |
| 23:57.45 | streuner | haha |
| 23:57.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:57.49 | Foris | sarra_: Try compiling your kernel to support UTF funcionality. |
| 23:57.59 | thingfish | it never stops, does it folks |
| 23:58.19 | sarra_ | I can't get it to install from CD |
| 23:58.21 | tralala | !troll Foris |
| 23:58.29 | Foris | !troll abrotman |
| 23:58.34 | thingfish | hah |
| 23:58.43 | tralala | bah |
| 23:58.51 | Foris | !hate abrotman |
| 23:58.53 | waiting | never trust a bot |
| 23:58.55 | Foris | :D |
| 23:59.10 | tralala | dpkg: you bot! |
| 23:59.11 | Foris | got dpkg on my side |
| 23:59.23 | cafuego | sarra_: Di you have an serial ata disks installed? |
| 23:59.26 | thingfish | !fool Foris |
| 23:59.31 | thingfish | :) |
| 23:59.34 | Foris | dpkg likes me |
| 23:59.37 | sarra_ | cafuego: yes |
| 23:59.39 | Foris | he wont say anything bad |
| 23:59.39 | tralala | !win Foris |
| 23:59.40 | dpkg | Congratulations, Foris! You have won a one way ticket to Nova Scotia! |
| 23:59.45 | cafuego | sarra_: Hmm, ok. |
| 23:59.50 | Foris | I live in nova scotia.. |
| 23:59.56 | abrotman | liar |
| 23:59.58 | sarra_ | I have RAID disabled |
