| 00:00.14 | kaeles | I'm having trouble with setting up the filesystems over NFS |
| 00:00.33 | shogunx | nfs-root? |
| 00:00.37 | kaeles | right |
| 00:00.38 | shogunx | like for an ltsp? |
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| 00:00.48 | kaeles | except i don't know how to build a filesystem by hand |
| 00:00.49 | kaeles | :| |
| 00:00.54 | shogunx | which, btw,you can use for ssi applications. |
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| 00:01.06 | kaeles | im using openmosix |
| 00:01.06 | S | hello |
| 00:01.26 | shogunx | right, me too actually. its several years old now... a 2.4.20 |
| 00:01.28 | S | does anyone knows a good WebDAV server? |
| 00:01.43 | shogunx | but for the diskless ssi aspect, you can rape a ltsp setup. |
| 00:01.50 | kaeles | hmmm. |
| 00:01.53 | kaeles | I might try that. |
| 00:02.04 | kaeles | Also, the nics i bought don't seem to like booting PXE |
| 00:02.11 | kaeles | which sucks, cause i got 30 of them. |
| 00:02.12 | kaeles | hahaha |
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| 00:02.19 | shogunx | kaeles, boot prom slot on them? |
| 00:02.31 | kaeles | no they are 3com with the pxe onchip |
| 00:02.49 | shogunx | where does it hang? |
| 00:03.03 | kaeles | http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=9735494640&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWN%3AIT&rd=1 |
| 00:03.12 | kaeles | it just acts like it doesn't have pxe |
| 00:03.15 | shogunx | i'm partial to the 3coms myself. |
| 00:03.30 | kaeles | and i asked the support people about it, and they said it supports pxe2.0 |
| 00:04.20 | kaeles | I think it may be a problem with the older comps im using for my cluster., |
| 00:04.21 | shogunx | got your dhcp server, tftp server, pxelinux.0 and pxelinux.cfg/default set up right? |
| 00:04.26 | kaeles | righto. |
| 00:04.37 | kaeles | it works if i use etherboot |
| 00:04.52 | kaeles | i've been kinda lazy about it lately though. |
| 00:05.00 | kaeles | working on a robotics project too |
| 00:05.00 | kaeles | lol |
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| 00:06.12 | kaeles | http://cgi.ebay.com/Sun-A5200-StorEdge-Array-w-Rails-w-WRNTY_W0QQitemZ300003807136QQihZ020QQcategoryZ73331QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem |
| 00:06.14 | kaeles | there we go. |
| 00:06.20 | kaeles | or not |
| 00:06.25 | kaeles | damn fibre channel |
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| 00:07.27 | pipeline | FC drives are cheap anyway. |
| 00:07.44 | pipeline | the real bitch about those is that some firmware revisions puke if your drive isn't Sun OEM. |
| 00:08.03 | pipeline | also |
| 00:08.05 | MatBoy | pipeline, cheap ?? sell me some :D |
| 00:08.08 | pipeline | that firebuy guy is a grade a prick. |
| 00:08.17 | pipeline | MatBoy: On Ebay, they go for about a dollar a gigabyte. Cheaper than SCA drives, even. |
| 00:08.34 | MatBoy | pipeline, not here :) SCA is much more cheaper ! |
| 00:08.39 | jelly-home | kaeles: A1000 are nice and small, we have a few for our remaining sparcs. I'm not sure how well would they work for PC-s. |
| 00:08.50 | pipeline | MatBoy: Yes, *new* they're much cheaper. But used, nobody wants FC drives :P |
| 00:09.07 | MatBoy | pipeline, still expensive here than :( |
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| 00:10.20 | zambadoo | hi guys |
| 00:10.44 | zambadoo | trying to add a device to my md0, raid1. mdadm complains about hdb3 being busy |
| 00:10.57 | zambadoo | lsof|grep hdb3 shows nothing |
| 00:11.13 | zambadoo | i recreated that partition many times. out of ideas at this point. |
| 00:11.37 | zambadoo | initially created the md0 with the missing option |
| 00:11.48 | zambadoo | not sure if it changes anything |
| 00:11.49 | peterS | MatBoy: I have an 18 GB FC-AL drive sitting here I don't want. (someone sold it to me on ebay, saying it was SCSI.) you can have it for the cost of shipping from central US. |
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| 00:12.10 | tictac | peterS: where is central us? |
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| 00:12.20 | zambadoo | it's in the center of the united states. |
| 00:12.27 | Romano2K | hehe |
| 00:12.28 | zambadoo | incidentally. |
| 00:12.36 | tictac | well duh. im just wondering where. :) |
| 00:12.38 | Romano2K | zambadoo: you're serious ? |
| 00:12.46 | zambadoo | swear to $deity :) |
| 00:12.47 | peterS | tictac: 37°40'N, 97°18'W |
| 00:12.51 | MatBoy | peterS, wow, that is a nice ! I'm in europe, so I think it's too expensive to ship it. Can;t you make anyone happy there with it ? |
| 00:13.24 | peterS | MatBoy: so far I haven't found anyone interested. the guy who sold it to me, when I pointed out his mistake, offered to refund my money but didn't want me to ship it back to him. so. |
| 00:13.26 | tictac | peterS: damn SW county :P |
| 00:13.41 | tictac | peterS: SN is where its at :D |
| 00:13.44 | peterS | tictac: the license plate abbreviation for this county is SG actually |
| 00:13.56 | tictac | doh. thats right. |
| 00:13.57 | peterS | tictac: oh you're in topekaland? |
| 00:14.02 | tictac | sedgewick none the less. |
| 00:14.05 | tictac | yep |
| 00:14.19 | MatBoy | peterS, I will keep it in mind ! very thanks, really a lot ! But if it's easier to give it to someone there.., be my guest :) |
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| 00:14.37 | peterS | MatBoy: right, I know shipping is US$4 to the US, I have no idea what it is to .nl |
| 00:14.49 | zambadoo | it's a drive, shouldnt be too much |
| 00:14.50 | MatBoy | peterS, More |
| 00:14.53 | jelly-home | peterS: weight? |
| 00:14.56 | zambadoo | i'd say under $20 |
| 00:15.20 | peterS | jelly-home: not sure of the weight but it's a regular half-height 3.5" drive, plus decent padding, it doesn't weigh all that much |
| 00:15.23 | zambadoo | wanted to ship 30lbs to europe, it worked out to be like $72 |
| 00:15.31 | sigma957 | l |
| 00:16.00 | zambadoo | does this look familiar? mdadm: Cannot open /dev/hdb3: Device or resource busy |
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| 00:16.18 | kaeles | damn i found an 8 bay for 68pin scsi for 100 bucks |
| 00:16.19 | kaeles | :| |
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| 00:18.15 | jelly-home | peterS: I'd say $20-30, based on what I've paid for shipping stuff from US. |
| 00:18.15 | kaeles | oh well |
| 00:18.17 | kaeles | time for work |
| 00:18.33 | peterS | jelly-home: any worries about customs, for an item such as a hard drive? |
| 00:18.36 | pipeline | kaeles: Heh, but does it integrate RAID? |
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| 00:18.41 | pipeline | kaeles: Just a SCSI backplane is slow as fuck |
| 00:18.56 | kaeles | whats the difference? |
| 00:18.56 | peterS | jelly-home: I suppose that depends on the country, and you aren't in .nl |
| 00:19.01 | kaeles | I havea raid card. |
| 00:19.03 | jelly-home | peterS: Depends on the country of the recipient, I guess. |
| 00:19.51 | kaeles | pipline: Backplanes support raid ? |
| 00:21.20 | tictac | kaeles: integrated controllers in the board do, yes. backplane is just an interface. |
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| 00:21.41 | peterS | that's not intuitive - even a semi-modern scsi (ultra 160) bus is so much faster than drives can physically do that having the raid _on_ the backplane doesn't seem like it would be much of a win |
| 00:22.02 | kaeles | ok |
| 00:22.05 | kaeles | thats what i kthough |
| 00:22.12 | kaeles | thats what i thought. |
| 00:22.34 | kaeles | So, the backplane is an interface to my hw raid card. |
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| 00:22.56 | tictac | kaeles: the backplane is an interface for the onboard controller card. |
| 00:23.04 | peterS | a backplane is like a scsi cable and terminator and set of power connectors. that's really all. |
| 00:23.22 | kaeles | ok, thats what i thought, I was confused for a moment. |
| 00:23.24 | peterS | you still have to plug the backplane (== cable) into a scsi interface, raid-enabled or otherwise. |
| 00:23.26 | tictac | kaeles: a backplane can, however, be used with an add-on controller card too |
| 00:23.34 | kaeles | oh |
| 00:23.38 | kaeles | no, I have a card. |
| 00:23.41 | kaeles | lol |
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| 00:27.20 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 00:27.29 | shogunx | i have an old zenith dual pentium120 with a sca backplane in it for like 6 disks i think. |
| 00:31.11 | jelly-home | woohoo. An SMP machine! I bet it compiles the kernel under an hour. |
| 00:31.19 | tictac | lol |
| 00:31.27 | tictac | both my raid 5 systems are smp. |
| 00:31.33 | tictac | not a big deal. |
| 00:31.33 | kaeles | my dual box compiles the kernel in like 5 minute. |
| 00:31.49 | tictac | my single p4 compiles it in like 5 mins. |
| 00:32.03 | shogunx | under a day is more like it. i made my wife use it as a terminal after she gave me some shit one night. |
| 00:32.46 | damosu | <MeRwEciq`asi> http://www.sexyteens.gen.ms Free Porno Videos |
| 00:33.00 | damosu | this spammer are making spam from long time on this channel |
| 00:33.09 | damosu | why nobody ban it ? |
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| 00:33.25 | tictac | damosu: did you tell anyone about it? |
| 00:33.40 | shogunx | use !ops for that |
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| 00:34.07 | jelly-home | damosu: I didn't see that message. |
| 00:34.57 | damosu | it sends pvs |
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| 00:35.36 | linux4 | can quota work on an nfs? |
| 00:36.40 | Myon | yes |
| 00:36.47 | linux4 | Myon, how? |
| 00:36.49 | damosu | sorry but i dont speak english well |
| 00:36.52 | damosu | http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/8441/pantallazo0jl.jpg |
| 00:36.56 | zambadoo | can anyone please help w/mdadm issues? will not hot add a device citing that the device/resource is busy |
| 00:37.36 | Myon | linux4: there's an rpc.quota service or something like that |
| 00:37.44 | Myon | should be pretty straightforward |
| 00:37.54 | nabeel | hey i got a shell account for testing |
| 00:37.56 | nabeel | how to login |
| 00:37.59 | nabeel | :) |
| 00:38.02 | nabeel | can anyone help |
| 00:38.44 | Myon | nabeel: it helps if you ask real questions |
| 00:39.17 | nabeel | Myon: just tell me the first step the login thing, i'll make my way through |
| 00:39.22 | nabeel | trust me :) |
| 00:39.36 | Myon | ssh |
| 00:39.36 | nabeel | i actually have no idea right now |
| 00:40.11 | nabeel | it isn't |
| 00:40.20 | nabeel | "name or service unknown" |
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| 00:41.06 | wols | as Myon said: you need to ask better questions |
| 00:41.07 | nabeel | does "ssh .." require any switch if i'm missing it |
| 00:41.12 | wols | explain your situation more |
| 00:41.21 | wols | it usually requires a hostname |
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| 00:41.53 | nabeel | i just have this info : haze.worldshellz.net:4565 |
| 00:42.15 | nabeel | what should i do now |
| 00:42.17 | Myon | that sounds for sure evil |
| 00:42.21 | wols | and you are on windows right now |
| 00:42.25 | nabeel | no |
| 00:42.26 | nabeel | linux |
| 00:42.38 | stew | nabeel: ssh -p 4665 username@haze.worldshellz.net |
| 00:42.41 | wols | install ssh |
| 00:42.46 | nabeel | i do have ssh |
| 00:42.51 | Myon | Host haze.worldshellz.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:42.56 | wols | the follow what stew said |
| 00:43.05 | nabeel | ok let me try what stew said |
| 00:43.28 | MatBoy | why are netapps so expensive ?? :( |
| 00:43.48 | Myon | nabeel: the host doesn't exist |
| 00:43.55 | nabeel | still "name or service unknown" |
| 00:44.16 | wols | cause the domain doesn't exist. someone pulled a joke on you |
| 00:44.20 | nabeel | Myon: i typod , it's box.worldshellz.net |
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| 00:45.53 | nabeel | stew: it still says "name or service not known" |
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| 00:46.20 | wols | cause that host doesn't exist either |
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| 00:47.00 | Myon | Host box.worldshellz.net not found: 3(NXDOMAIN) |
| 00:48.08 | nabeel | ok. just a sec |
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| 00:48.53 | nvz | bah damn machine disconected me while I was reading something cause it went to sleep.. since when do computers sleep on the job |
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| 00:52.47 | Raito | I want to install debian on a computer with a minimal cd. However it cannot auto detect my ethernet driver. I have a D-Link DFE-538TX 10/100 Adapter, what driver should I use? Thanks |
| 00:53.41 | stew | Raito: is it pci? |
| 00:53.54 | peterS | Raito: I don't recognise that one. what does 'lspci | grep Eth' say it is? |
| 00:54.07 | CHodapp | In general, are packages available for most architectures? |
| 00:54.24 | tictac | 8139cp or 8139too should work |
| 00:54.29 | tictac | one or the other |
| 00:54.31 | Raito | peterS: would that be a windows command or a linux command? I have windows right now |
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| 00:54.50 | peterS | Raito: ahh. well, tictac seems to think it's an 8139C+ or 8139D, so maybe he's right |
| 00:54.55 | Raito | oh wait, I see this little scribble in a notebook, would 'rt8139' make sense? |
| 00:54.59 | CHodapp | yes |
| 00:55.02 | ftsac__ | are there patches in debian's kernel? |
| 00:55.03 | Raito | some realtek driver |
| 00:55.10 | nvz | Raito: RTL8139, 8139too |
| 00:55.25 | zambadoo | Raito, yeah only like one of the most common rtl drivers :P |
| 00:55.50 | Raito | so I guess I'll go with rtl8139 for now |
| 00:56.08 | Raito | I hope it works, is it bad news that debian couldn't auto detect my internet? |
| 00:56.28 | peterS | Raito: there is no 'rtl8139' driver anymore, it was replaced with '8139too'. so try that. |
| 00:56.35 | Raito | ok |
| 00:56.41 | peterS | (the reason for the name change is that, in the past, both drivers existed) |
| 00:58.26 | Raito | hmm doesn't like it |
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| 00:58.38 | Raito | neither of them |
| 00:58.46 | peterS | Raito: are you booted in a debian installer shell then? |
| 00:58.55 | peterS | Raito: what does 'lspci' say about the card? |
| 00:58.57 | nvz | Raito: try 8139cp |
| 00:58.59 | stew | Raito: what does "lspci -n | grep 0200:" return? |
| 00:59.18 | peterS | nvz: thing is, 8139too handles all the same cards 8139cp does, I _think_ |
| 00:59.22 | nvz | Raito: and also try checking lspci because there is more than one card with the vague description you gave |
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| 00:59.40 | Raito | well I'm not in a shell, it is a half graphical installer, (like those blue screens with grey windows), how would I get into a shell? |
| 00:59.42 | nvz | peterS: yeah I think so too. but without more info its the only related driver :P |
| 00:59.49 | stew | Raito: alt-f2 |
| 01:00.18 | Raito | bash lspci not found O_O |
| 01:00.24 | Raito | err not bash |
| 01:00.26 | Raito | bin/sh |
| 01:00.49 | peterS | Raito: hrrm. you can extract the necessary info from /proc/bus/pci but it's painful. if you want to boot back into windows I can tell you what to do |
| 01:01.25 | Raito | uhh, I also have ubuntu? would that be easier? |
| 01:01.39 | peterS | maybe. go ahead and boot it I guess |
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| 01:01.55 | peterS | errrr ... if you have the live CD version of it anyway |
| 01:02.01 | Blissex | Raito: Knoppix has pretty good autodectect.... |
| 01:02.03 | peterS | if not, it's not much different from debian-installer |
| 01:02.41 | Raito | well I have ubuntu installed, I'll try lspci on that |
| 01:03.39 | bootleg | when i do apt-get install anything it says something is wrong and i have to do apt-get -f install, when i do that it still says something is wrong. is there anyway to delete whatever it wants to do from memory? my system is stable and i still can't use apt even with rebooting |
| 01:04.18 | Raito | brb, I'm gonna log into irc from that comp to paste the lspci output |
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| 01:04.20 | stew | bootleg: get us the information in /msg dpkg bat |
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| 01:08.17 | kepht | what is /usr/sbin/pac ? |
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| 01:08.44 | peterS | kepht: does 'dpkg -S' tell you what package it's in? I don't have it |
| 01:09.12 | kepht | hmm, it is part of a test in /etc/init.d/lpd |
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| 01:10.39 | kepht | peterS: dpkg returned a bunch of false positives (package,apache,etc) |
| 01:11.11 | peterS | kepht: wait, does pac exist on your system or not? |
| 01:11.19 | kepht | no |
| 01:11.35 | peterS | ahh. you can look for it with the packages.debian.org web interface |
| 01:11.45 | peterS | or with dpkg the friendly bot.... |
| 01:11.50 | kepht | i'm troubleshooting a lpd problem |
| 01:11.52 | peterS | !find usr/sbin/pac |
| 01:12.15 | kepht | hrmm |
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| 01:13.54 | wireddd | I wish there was a way to mount an ftp site |
| 01:14.08 | kepht | peterS: pac - Outputs printer/plotter accounting information |
| 01:14.28 | kepht | but still don't know why lpd needs it, or where to get it |
| 01:14.52 | kepht | /etc/init.d/lpd: test -x $DAEMON -a -f /usr/sbin/pac || exit 0 |
| 01:15.35 | peterS | kepht: now that is weird. it checks for $DAEMON (/usr/sbin/lpd, I suppose) being executable, but /usr/sbin/pac only being a file, not necessarily executable. I wonder if that's on purpose |
| 01:15.55 | kepht | well, the result is that the lpd script exits |
| 01:16.14 | peterS | wireddd: heh, use AFS with its old anonftp support |
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| 01:19.47 | graphyx | what package has the dnsutils like nslookup? |
| 01:20.08 | wireddd | peterS, interesting |
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| 01:21.08 | peterS | graphyx: the package name, shockingly, is dnsutils |
| 01:21.13 | graphyx | ahh.. great. I tried dnstools. |
| 01:21.17 | graphyx | But that will work Thanks a lot. |
| 01:21.35 | peterS | (: |
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| 01:22.30 | centrx | Take heed, thou bull of Bashan, for you will be captured by Midianite maniacs! |
| 01:23.02 | peterS | bah, the midianites died out a good couple thousand years ago |
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| 01:23.42 | wireddd | I am the last of the midianites |
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| 01:25.33 | phaedrus44 | i need to install wine using backports so i can get a newer version....anyone have the time to wlak me through it? |
| 01:25.40 | phaedrus44 | wlay = walk |
| 01:25.50 | phaedrus44 | wlak = walk also |
| 01:25.52 | phaedrus44 | haha |
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| 01:26.36 | fabio | is it possible to install a debian without formatting the partition? i mean, just renaming my actual directories or something |
| 01:27.17 | tictac | yes, but why not just backup your data and be done with it? |
| 01:27.17 | stew | phaedrus44: /msg dpkg bpo |
| 01:27.25 | phaedrus44 | i think ther is a preserve home directory setting on install...i cant remember though |
| 01:27.33 | tictac | it will cause a bunch of issues |
| 01:27.33 | phaedrus44 | thanks stew |
| 01:27.37 | phaedrus44 | mucho gracias |
| 01:27.47 | fabio | dont have the space to backup everything |
| 01:27.52 | tictac | phaedrus44: thats easy, just mount the home partition upon install. tell it not to format the partition. |
| 01:27.59 | Reimu | What drivers are needed for an 'intel pro /1000 PL netowrk connection'? |
| 01:28.08 | peterS | Reimu: probably the e1000 driver |
| 01:28.08 | tictac | ... or just mount home aftewards. nothing gets put into /home anyway really. |
| 01:28.15 | tictac | Reimu: e1000 |
| 01:28.18 | Reimu | ok |
| 01:28.23 | phaedrus44 | tictac: tell that other dude |
| 01:28.25 | fabio | my home is in the normal partition |
| 01:28.32 | Reimu | that was why the realtek one didn't work >_< wrong comp |
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| 01:28.42 | fabio | i really dont like to cut freespace between parts |
| 01:28.42 | tictac | phaedrus44: i was just letting you know :P |
| 01:28.50 | phaedrus44 | oh...thanks |
| 01:28.54 | phaedrus44 | : ) |
| 01:28.55 | tictac | fabio: well, then you run into this problem :) |
| 01:29.17 | tictac | fabio: cant burn your data to cd or the like? |
| 01:29.23 | fabio | i think it is probably possible to rename everything, but i am afraid of trying it |
| 01:29.45 | tictac | rename everything? just go through and rm everything you dont want to save.. like everything but /home |
| 01:30.21 | fabio | the minimal instalation disk has some gnome and browser? |
| 01:30.37 | fabio | i mean, prior to downloading the rest of the stuff |
| 01:30.38 | tictac | no. |
| 01:30.49 | phaedrus44 | i do not have a /etc/apt/preferences file |
| 01:30.54 | phaedrus44 | what!? |
| 01:31.07 | Reimu | peterS: darn, it failed to load and wants additional parameters. How come it can't detect the internet? |
| 01:31.12 | tictac | phaedrus44: you have to create it. its not there by default. |
| 01:31.33 | peterS | Reimu: could be an outdated kernel. did you boot debian-installer the default way or the 2.6.8 kernel way? |
| 01:31.47 | Reimu | the default way |
| 01:31.53 | tictac | fabio: check this out. http://www.burgettsys.com/stories/59455/ |
| 01:31.54 | phaedrus44 | sweet thanks tictac |
| 01:32.32 | fabio | i am afraid of getting stuck without pppoe working and such |
| 01:32.35 | Reimu | how would I boot it the 2.6.8 kernel way? |
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| 01:32.49 | tictac | phaedrus44: sure thing. |
| 01:33.32 | fabio | tictac: this looks good |
| 01:34.09 | phaedrus44 | wow!...backports werk for wine!...thank for your help tictac and stew !!...woooohoo |
| 01:34.28 | fabio | its safe to try to split an ext3fs partition? |
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| 01:36.26 | rhys | everyone thanks stew. |
| 01:36.29 | rhys | its like big and hearty |
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| 01:40.33 | tictac | fabio: parted works wonders. |
| 01:42.09 | fabio | then, perhpas i could just separate the home dir |
| 01:42.30 | fabio | i had some bad experiences with partition magic and ntfs in the past... |
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| 01:43.03 | dsR|Comp|ex`_- | hi why isnt my mail starting? |
| 01:43.06 | dsR|Comp|ex`_- | my mail daemon |
| 01:43.07 | dsR|Comp|ex`_- | its runing |
| 01:43.13 | dsR|Comp|ex`_- | my i cant get pop3 services running |
| 01:43.14 | dsR|Comp|ex`_- | :s |
| 01:43.24 | dvs | !tell dsR|Comp|ex`_- -about enter |
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| 01:44.01 | freeone3000 | How would I set a certain image to be displayed on bootup? As opposed to, say, the line upon line of useful but quite unpretty information? |
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| 01:45.24 | Schiz0 | How do I perminantly change the IP of my deb box inside the LAN? |
| 01:45.29 | epsilon | freeone3000: hae? |
| 01:45.40 | Schiz0 | I know it asked when I installed deb, but I dunno how to change it now |
| 01:45.45 | tictac | Schiz0: /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:45.46 | epsilon | Schiz0: ifconfig |
| 01:45.47 | sigma957 | freeone3000: you want a bootsplash image? |
| 01:45.50 | Schiz0 | ah |
| 01:45.51 | Schiz0 | alright, thanks |
| 01:45.55 | freeone3000 | sigma957: Er, sure, if that's what it's called. |
| 01:45.56 | tictac | np |
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| 01:47.19 | Schiz0 | Then to restart the interface i run ifdown eth0;ifup eth0 - correct? |
| 01:47.35 | freeone3000 | Yep. |
| 01:47.41 | Schiz0 | Thanks. |
| 01:47.48 | epsilon | an image instead all the usefull information displayed during the boot until X is loaded? |
| 01:48.15 | epsilon | Schiz0: IIRC there's a init.d script |
| 01:48.17 | freeone3000 | epsilon: Er, or until a login prompt is presented, yes. |
| 01:48.19 | bkervaski | Hi all. I have a daemon that creases some virtual /dev/ttyXXX ports and an app that is dependent on those daemons. For some reason, my tty service isn't starting fast enough and the other service is failing. Would it be normal for me in this situation just to put a pause in my init script for the dependent service? If so, how would I do that? Maybe pause it for 1 minute. |
| 01:48.20 | tictac | epsilon: no. thats not a boot image. |
| 01:48.42 | tictac | boot image is something graphical for lilo/grub/etc |
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| 01:48.52 | tictac | to pick which partition/os to boot from. |
| 01:49.00 | freeone3000 | Nu-uh. Not that. What he said. |
| 01:49.03 | freeone3000 | I like my blue grub. |
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| 01:50.11 | jetscreamer | bootsplash |
| 01:50.19 | freeone3000 | Sure. |
| 01:50.30 | twb | http://packages.debian.org/fbpanel suggests that fbpanel is available in stable and unstable, but not testing. What could cause such a sitation? |
| 01:50.58 | magyar | have a problem with (kad:firewalled) |
| 01:51.08 | freeone3000 | New version, where a prevoius version was proven too buggy or unmaintained, and a yet-still-previous version was proved fine? |
| 01:51.16 | jetscreamer | twb happens with many |
| 01:51.18 | twb | freeone3000: it's the same version in both |
| 01:51.29 | freeone3000 | Now. That is QUITE odd. |
| 01:51.35 | jetscreamer | IT happens |
| 01:51.36 | twb | Yeah |
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| 01:52.36 | stew | twb: it was probably removed becuase of the xorg transition and hasn't made it back into testing yet |
| 01:52.45 | stew | twb: /msg dpkg why is fbpanel not in testing |
| 01:53.00 | twb | Smart bot. |
| 01:53.08 | stew | twb: that won't tell you why it was removed but it will tell you why it hasn't returned |
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| 01:53.32 | freeone3000 | jetscreamer: That package should take care of everything? |
| 01:53.45 | jetscreamer | ? |
| 01:54.08 | freeone3000 | jetscreamer: The 'bootsplash' package should satisfy all my bootsplashing needs, right? |
| 01:54.14 | jetscreamer | oh |
| 01:54.26 | jetscreamer | not sure, i was just mentioning that it's a bootsplash |
| 01:54.39 | freeone3000 | Oh. Cool. |
| 01:54.45 | jetscreamer | there's a grub-bootsplash or bootsplash-grub iirc |
| 01:54.52 | freeone3000 | Well, can't hurt nothing. |
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| 01:55.01 | skonda | my motherboard comes with a 7-pin interface cable for sata drive. is this sufficient? |
| 01:55.07 | freeone3000 | Looks like it's kernel patches, actually. |
| 01:55.28 | twb | skonda: surely sata has the little black rectangular plug with a hook on one side? |
| 01:55.31 | jetscreamer | iirc there's a kernel bootsplash and a grub one |
| 01:55.42 | freeone3000 | I'll go with kernel. |
| 01:55.45 | jetscreamer | but i don't know much |
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| 01:55.55 | jetscreamer | read the help stuff in the kernel docs then |
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| 01:56.03 | freeone3000 | Why? There's a nice package... |
| 01:56.07 | jetscreamer | heh |
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| 01:56.47 | skonda | twb: yeh, but what is that for, no cable for it. |
| 01:56.53 | venger | in debian is there a conf file or facility to maintain routes or should I simply create an init.d script? |
| 01:57.01 | freeone3000 | routes? |
| 01:57.11 | venger | route add ...., for networking |
| 01:57.15 | freeone3000 | Er. /etc/network/interfaces |
| 01:57.21 | freeone3000 | I assume. |
| 01:57.58 | skonda | on my MB, an i865gbf, there r two 7-pin headers and in between is that black rectangular plug. |
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| 02:00.21 | freeone3000 | All hail apt-get -y. |
| 02:00.26 | skonda | twb: those sata drives i saw in the shop has 3-connectors : a 4-pin header, and two other edge connectors. the 4-pin is for the power supply. |
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| 02:01.56 | skonda | any help on sata drive connectors? |
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| 02:02.35 | thingfish | skonda: have you asked in #hardware? |
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| 02:02.59 | skonda | thingfish: thks |
| 02:03.03 | thingfish | np |
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| 02:05.52 | venger | i see now freeone3000, up <command>, thanks |
| 02:05.52 | magyar | have a problem with (kad:firewalled) |
| 02:05.59 | skonda | thingfish: u familiar with sata? |
| 02:06.28 | cjaymes | any ideas why my dvd burner takes 3 hours to burn a dvd? |
| 02:06.31 | cjaymes | is that normal? |
| 02:07.16 | freeone3000 | Are you transcoding it? |
| 02:07.24 | freeone3000 | As in, putting it to DVD-player format as opposed to data? |
| 02:07.41 | cjaymes | just data |
| 02:08.13 | freeone3000 | Ah. Possibly not then. |
| 02:08.23 | cjaymes | I'm using nautilus to do it; Sony burner via USB |
| 02:08.42 | psychonate | cjaymes, eh, does it let you select a speed? |
| 02:08.45 | freeone3000 | Ah. USB. Nautilus. Dunno then. |
| 02:08.54 | freeone3000 | It takes me ~15 mins using a internal with k3b. |
| 02:09.15 | cjaymes | psychonate, yes, I tried 16x; same as maximum possible |
| 02:09.33 | cjaymes | freeone3000, that's for a 4.5 GB disc, right? |
| 02:09.39 | skonda | thingfish: that place is dead. |
| 02:10.11 | psychonate | I use k3b also |
| 02:10.23 | freeone3000 | cjaymes: Yes. |
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| 02:10.57 | skonda | any channel to chat about hdd? |
| 02:10.58 | cjaymes | I'll give k3b a try; I haven't had any problems with the discs after burning |
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| 02:11.32 | stoned | my last sid update today fucked up all my fonts |
| 02:11.33 | stoned | :/ |
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| 02:12.18 | stoned | grr. more work for me |
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| 02:13.21 | mynullvoid | hi all |
| 02:13.41 | mynullvoid | anyone know where can I download phpwebtrace? |
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| 02:17.08 | codynotes | I've run into some sort of dependency loop in apt-get trying to upgrade from the 2.2 kernel to the 2.4 kernel. Kernel 2.4 depends on libc6 2.3.6-15, but libc6 2.3.6-15 depends on kernel 2.4. Now I can't even install anything else because libc6 is in some sort of limbo mode. How do I resolve this? |
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| 02:17.38 | peterS | codynotes: apt-get install libc6 kernel-image-whatever |
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| 02:18.10 | dvs | !beer peterS |
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| 02:18.22 | codynotes | peterS: I get 'kernel-image-2.4-686: Depends: kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686 but it is not going to be installed' |
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| 02:18.43 | bkervaski | Hi all. I have a runaway init script on a remote machine, it's just looping. I don't have access to ssh. Will debian (sarge) do anything if the script hangs in a loop or am I going to have to drive out there and do it from the console? |
| 02:18.48 | codynotes | I keep getting that for everything I try to do; what the hell does it mean it's not going to be installed?? That's the most frustrating error message ever |
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| 02:19.17 | peterS | codynotes: tell apt-get to install it directly |
| 02:19.29 | abrotman | shouldn't it be -3- ? |
| 02:19.39 | codynotes | peterS: tell it to install kernel-image.2.4.27-2-686 directly? |
| 02:20.22 | AndyMcGee | Do you think that the property of "hackness" of a individum grows (or shrinks) over time or does its stay constant? |
| 02:20.49 | codynotes | When I try that I get 'kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686: Depends: initrd-tools (>= 0.1.48) but it is not going to be installed; Depends: modutils (>= 2.4.19) but it is not going to be installed' |
| 02:20.52 | peterS | codynotes: try that, yeah |
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| 02:21.14 | peterS | oh, bah. why does it do that? |
| 02:21.20 | codynotes | Exactly |
| 02:21.39 | peterS | also, libc6 does _not_ depend on kernel 2.4 |
| 02:21.49 | bkervaski | Anyone know? Looping init script before SSH starts, will init eventually stop it or will it run forever? |
| 02:21.56 | codynotes | *Exactly* |
| 02:22.08 | peterS | but you said it did. what makes you say that? |
| 02:22.19 | codynotes | Well, that's what apt says |
| 02:22.37 | codynotes | apt says it depends on kernel 2.4 but it shouldn't |
| 02:22.44 | abrotman | what version of libc ? |
| 02:22.48 | venger | exit |
| 02:22.51 | AndyMcGee | bkervaski, it may be killed if it consumes too much memory. |
| 02:23.02 | codynotes | 'Preparing to replace libc6 2.3.5-6 (using .../libc6_2.3.6-15_i386.deb) ... WARNING: This version of glibc requires that you be running kernel version 2.4.1 or later. Earlier kernels contained bugs that may render the system unusable if a modern version of glibc is installed.' |
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| 02:23.22 | stoned | after my last update, today, the font I use, DejaVu Sans Condensed, all over my system, has started to appear blurry, and very grainy. Before the update + X restart it used to be very sharp, clear, and good looking. Where can I start looking to see what happened and maybe some possible fixes |
| 02:23.55 | psychonate | Can someone recommend a good identify script for xchat and use with freenode/dalnet? |
| 02:24.05 | codynotes | I also get a weird '3 not fully installed or removed.' after apt reads the package list and builds the dependency tree |
| 02:24.08 | psychonate | I've had little success finding one that seems to work for me. |
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| 02:25.47 | xomhauvtt | hi * |
| 02:25.49 | codynotes | peterS: Wait, you were just helping me in #svn a few hours ago, haha |
| 02:25.58 | peterS | codynotes: oh, did I? heh |
| 02:26.23 | peterS | codynotes: so it actually fails to finish installing libc6 if it detects a 2.2 kernel running. how annoying. |
| 02:26.24 | abrotman | help .. from peterS ? .. no way |
| 02:26.44 | AndyMcGee | This is quite beautiful. |
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| 02:26.54 | dazjorz | Hi |
| 02:27.10 | peterS | dazjorz: here to ask about selinux and the NSA? (: |
| 02:27.17 | dazjorz | peterS: Nope ;) |
| 02:27.26 | dazjorz | peterS: This would be the wrong channel to do that anyway |
| 02:27.30 | codynotes | peterS: Yeah. Is there a way to just roll things back and start over? |
| 02:27.46 | peterS | codynotes: you can force-install the old libc6 if you still have it in /var/cache/apt/archives/, using 'dpkg -i' |
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| 02:28.21 | codynotes | peterS: Yeah, I have the .deb in there. How do I force install it? |
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| 02:28.34 | jetscreamer | man dpkg --force-help |
| 02:28.42 | abrotman | hehe |
| 02:28.56 | peterS | codynotes: just dpkg -i it, is what I meant |
| 02:29.04 | stoned | quick question. If /etc/X11/xinit/xserverrc had the -dpi XXX switch in it, and then I run startx -- -dpi YYY, which will take precedence? which dpi will be used, XXX or YYY |
| 02:29.12 | aum | hi - is there a command-line util to change X terminal resolution? ctrl_alt_+ and ctrl_alt_- aren't working in my X |
| 02:29.28 | jetscreamer | xrandr |
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| 02:29.44 | dazjorz | I'm in need of project ideas :( |
| 02:29.50 | kaeles | build a robot. |
| 02:29.50 | dazjorz | i'm kind of bored.. |
| 02:29.57 | dazjorz | kaeles: nah, software ideas |
| 02:30.02 | abrotman | dazjorz: bugs.debian.org .. fix them all |
| 02:30.04 | kaeles | help me build a program to play quake from screenshots. |
| 02:30.04 | jetscreamer | you can work on the jetscreamer donation fund |
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| 02:30.10 | dazjorz | lol |
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| 02:30.20 | dazjorz | abrotman: I can't write C or C++ |
| 02:30.27 | jetscreamer | learn |
| 02:30.28 | dazjorz | abrotman: actually I can, but compilers hate me |
| 02:30.31 | abrotman | dazjorz: not everything is in c/c++ |
| 02:30.37 | jetscreamer | learn better :) |
| 02:30.43 | abrotman | jetscreamer: betterer |
| 02:30.46 | dazjorz | abrotman: You're not going to tell me that Debian was written in Perl, will you? |
| 02:30.51 | nevyn | dazjorz: if you think the compiler hates you then you really can't write C |
| 02:30.55 | jetscreamer | and better is.. better! |
| 02:31.09 | jetscreamer | learn asm |
| 02:31.14 | abrotman | dazjorz: i'm saying that some of the bugs are filed against things other than c/c++ |
| 02:31.15 | dazjorz | nevyn: In my opinion, I can write C okay, but the compiler doesn't think about that the same |
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| 02:31.16 | nevyn | dazjorz: sure it is.. |
| 02:31.20 | dazjorz | jetscreamer: asm is like line noise |
| 02:31.42 | dazjorz | I think i'm gonna look into perlboot :) |
| 02:31.53 | nevyn | dazjorz: if you can explain why the compiler is complaining and justify it then you can write c |
| 02:32.01 | codynotes | peterS: I tried just plain 'dpkg -i ...' and it still whines about not being on the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:32.20 | peterS | codynotes: same libc6 version, or you're installing an older one now? |
| 02:32.46 | aum | how do i change the X terminal resolution via a shell command? |
| 02:32.51 | abrotman | xrandr |
| 02:32.51 | codynotes | Same libc6 version; the .deb in the cache is libc6 I need to install the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:32.51 | stoned | anyone? |
| 02:33.00 | stoned | do I need to repeat my question? |
| 02:33.22 | peterS | codynotes: to rewind to the beginning you'd want to reinstall the old libc6 version, the one you had before which didn't complain about running in kernel 2.2 |
| 02:33.22 | stoned | because I'm sure some smartass will tell me about !repeat |
| 02:33.34 | stoned | but not about what I need to know :( |
| 02:34.13 | peterS | stoned: try it and see. you can use 'ps' to find out which switch was actually passed to the X command line |
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| 02:34.17 | thingfish | you have fucked up fonts, stoned? |
| 02:34.25 | stoned | hey thinger man |
| 02:34.27 | stoned | whats up |
| 02:34.28 | thingfish | hey |
| 02:34.34 | abrotman | thingfish: stop getting high maybe? :) |
| 02:34.37 | thingfish | just relaxing after work, you? |
| 02:34.40 | stoned | peterS, ahh good idea |
| 02:34.45 | stoned | peterS, thanks man |
| 02:34.54 | thingfish | abrotman: hey well I almost have, since I'm working again finally. |
| 02:35.08 | abrotman | why? |
| 02:35.12 | stoned | thingfish, ahh I dunno man, life is sucking. had my interview at dell, was supposed to have it, but they fucked up last week |
| 02:35.20 | stoned | i had to take the skills test AGAIN |
| 02:35.31 | abrotman | thingfish: and i didn't mean you .. i meant stoned and his messed up fonts :) |
| 02:35.35 | thingfish | stoned: oh man that sucks! |
| 02:35.37 | stoned | and they told me they'll call me in again for a second interview. they lost 30+ people's test results |
| 02:35.42 | thingfish | oh hehe abrotman |
| 02:35.46 | stoned | I had to wait 2 hours before I could get a pc to take my test on |
| 02:35.54 | stoned | I am having second thoughts about dell |
| 02:35.59 | thingfish | stoned: oh now that is totally bogus. |
| 02:36.01 | stoned | if they are that lame in the hiring process, then who knows... |
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| 02:36.04 | codynotes | peterS: OK, got it; but where can I get the old version? It's not on packages.debian.org as far as I can tell... |
| 02:36.07 | abrotman | second thoughts? |
| 02:36.16 | stoned | abrotman, yes yes i know you hate dell |
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| 02:36.19 | stoned | now shush |
| 02:36.23 | stoned | :) |
| 02:36.34 | abrotman | stoned: don't tell petemc .. he thinks i love dell |
| 02:36.38 | cjaymes | I hate dell too |
| 02:36.40 | thingfish | I'll tell you what, if I had to put up with that kind of incompetence I'd lose my temper. |
| 02:36.53 | stoned | lol |
| 02:37.07 | cjaymes | they became a competitor in my industry for no particularly good reason |
| 02:37.19 | cjaymes | (audio visual industry) |
| 02:37.20 | stoned | thingfish, I did. I made a small deal of it. I said I don't have time to waste coming in here and taking the test over and ovdr |
| 02:37.30 | stoned | either hire me or fuck off ( I should have said this) |
| 02:37.50 | stoned | but I think that might have hurt my chances or employment |
| 02:37.55 | stoned | for* |
| 02:38.48 | cjaymes | you could get a job with Apple...but you wouldn't be able to tell us without breaking your NDA |
| 02:38.59 | stoned | fuck apple too |
| 02:39.05 | CHodapp | got a job hyping new products that suck |
| 02:39.25 | abrotman | dell ? |
| 02:39.32 | cjaymes | what do you want to do stoned? |
| 02:39.43 | abrotman | get high? |
| 02:39.53 | stoned | you nailed it |
| 02:40.00 | stoned | 2.5 weeks now, no tokery |
| 02:40.08 | stoned | I gotta get some doobage soon as I get a job |
| 02:40.09 | thingfish | stoned: yes, it may have cost you a job with them, but if that's how they are up front, in their public face, then who knows how asinine they are once you're aboard and working for them. |
| 02:40.09 | cjaymes | woah man :) |
| 02:40.29 | thingfish | oh hell stoned you can pass a piss test now, go for a good job. |
| 02:40.32 | abrotman | i can't even imagine being a salesman for dell |
| 02:40.36 | stoned | yeah |
| 02:40.53 | stoned | dell gave me some thing on paper, drug screen agreement, they cap at 100 nano grams of THC metabolite |
| 02:41.05 | stoned | I can easily pass |
| 02:41.11 | peterS | codynotes: hrrrm. I've verified that libc6 does indeed insist on kernel 2.4.1 (except on m68k, sparc and hppa, those have their own requirements). I'm not entirely sure of the simplest way to get around it |
| 02:41.17 | cjaymes | do you carry a piss bag? |
| 02:41.27 | thingfish | hehe |
| 02:41.30 | stoned | no.... |
| 02:41.33 | thingfish | god I love #debian |
| 02:41.34 | stoned | stop being gross |
| 02:41.53 | peterS | eh? if you go into dell _sales_, don't they have a THC _minimum_? |
| 02:41.57 | cjaymes | that's what they do around here.... |
| 02:41.59 | stoned | thingfish, god doesn't exist, well technically, if the idea of god exists within the human mind, existence is there, but is very relative |
| 02:42.40 | cjaymes | if god doesn't exist, how do you explain the platypus? |
| 02:42.42 | thingfish | stoned: you're wrong. |
| 02:42.56 | thingfish | ;) |
| 02:43.07 | stoned | there is no right or wrong then there is no emperical evidence. You take that thing based on faith. Faith is the lack of concrete knowledge of something. |
| 02:43.13 | stoned | s/then/when |
| 02:43.50 | thingfish | have fun kids, sweetie's home and it's time to cook some tacos. |
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| 02:43.57 | cjaymes | like...most of physics? |
| 02:43.57 | MrNaz | cjaymes the flying spaghetti monster has a sense of humour? |
| 02:44.24 | abrotman | thingfish: make me something! |
| 02:44.35 | stoned | there is only one true universal constant. Only one real truth. Skittles are heavenly. |
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| 02:44.53 | codynotes | peterS: Then why does the 2.4 kernel depend on a version of of libc6 that can only be installed when you're already running the 2.4 kernel? |
| 02:44.55 | cjaymes | MrNaz, that couldn't have been random; all I'm saying |
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| 02:45.24 | cjaymes | course then, maybe the platy is normal & our sense of normal is wrong |
| 02:45.44 | cjaymes | but how were we given/developed this particular sense of normal |
| 02:45.46 | peterS | codynotes: complicated reasons, but the main thing is, it offers a very unpleasant upgrade path, so it ought to be straightened out |
| 02:45.50 | stoned | there is no such thing as normality, becasue the standards of normality vary greatly from time to time, place to place, culture to culture |
| 02:45.53 | cjaymes | oh dear, my nose hair is smoking |
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| 02:46.03 | Growly|meagain | GLARGZ |
| 02:46.17 | stoned | actually, if there was one constant universal, it would have to be debian. It can do anything |
| 02:46.18 | stoned | :D |
| 02:46.34 | stoned | almost... |
| 02:46.40 | codynotes | Yes, anything except upgrade itself to the 2.4 kernel |
| 02:46.44 | cjaymes | some day, it's going to run my house |
| 02:46.46 | codynotes | =P |
| 02:47.28 | cjaymes | but my house only runs on the 2.6 kernel :-D |
| 02:47.41 | stoned | I'm gonna go fix my fonts |
| 02:47.45 | stoned | see ya'll later, bye guys |
| 02:47.50 | Growly|meagain | so does anyone know what to do when ircd-irc2 (2.11.0) tells ircservices (5.0.58) that "ERROR: Server version is too old" |
| 02:47.54 | Growly|meagain | ?? |
| 02:47.55 | Growly|meagain | hmmm? |
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| 02:48.50 | abrotman | update your server version? |
| 02:49.08 | peterS | codynotes: how did you get a testing box running kernel 2.2 anyway? |
| 02:49.18 | abrotman | magic? |
| 02:49.22 | cjaymes | there's another thing, why do humans have nose hair? is it really necessary? and why does it keep growing? |
| 02:49.38 | inflex | Hi all. I've done something bad with my system and now my apt-get is in a deadlock situation in that it can't install anything more because of unmet dependencies. I have only one line in my sources.list ( deb http://ftp.de.debian.org/pub/debian unstable main contrib non-free ). |
| 02:49.40 | peterS | cjaymes: first-level air filter |
| 02:50.11 | inflex | When I try to do something like "apt-get install sendmail", I get the following sort of output ... """ libc6-dev: Depends: libc6 (= 2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3) but 2.3.1-16 is to be installed""" |
| 02:50.12 | cjaymes | oh, that' explains a lot |
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| 02:50.35 | Growly|meagain | abrotman - but how?! |
| 02:50.36 | abrotman | cjaymes: it's a "first line of defense" .. catches virus-carrying-dust etc |
| 02:50.37 | inflex | is there some way I can tell apt-get to not try and install 2.3.1-16 ? |
| 02:50.48 | codynotes | peterS: To be honest, I have no idea. I've been running the box for a number of years. I tried to upgrade the kernel a few years ago because Samba has all sorts of problems with the 2.2 kernel, but I ran into problems. I pretty much haven't upgraded it because I knew that this exact problem would happen |
| 02:50.50 | Growly|meagain | i installed it through apt-get, and it's the latest package, and i'm not downloading the source because things will turn to crap |
| 02:51.03 | codynotes | I'd spend fifteen billion hours trying to get it to upgrade |
| 02:51.31 | stew | inflex: you should not try to mix testing/unstable packages into a stable installation |
| 02:51.54 | cjaymes | I think there's a force flag that might help codynotes & inflex |
| 02:51.55 | inflex | stew: fair enough. |
| 02:52.15 | cjaymes | that's how I've finished my system before |
| 02:52.17 | stew | inflex: get rid of the non-testing sources and apt-get update |
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| 02:52.58 | inflex | okay, I'll have to go read the apt-get manual to see how I do that |
| 02:53.17 | inflex | cjaymes: when I tried that it asked me to type in the "do as I say, yes!" thing |
| 02:53.26 | cjaymes | inflex, remove unstable from sources.list |
| 02:53.43 | MickMCMack | Hallo thar, I've not been on my Debian install for a while, and apt-get update throws a load of errors. I was wondering if there is are default sources.list files anywhere? |
| 02:53.44 | peterS | codynotes: your best option is to install a 2.4 kernel from a previous distribution, possibly even oldstable (woody) |
| 02:53.50 | cjaymes | inflex, hmm; do the de-unstable thing first |
| 02:53.51 | abrotman | inflex: that means you're about to do something pretty bad |
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| 02:53.59 | stew | you should almost never have to use --force flags with dpkg/apt-get |
| 02:54.01 | abrotman | MickMCMack: paste the error |
| 02:54.03 | abrotman | !paster |
| 02:54.04 | dpkg | it has been said that pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 02:54.08 | inflex | abrotman: indeed - which is why I didn't do it... and came scurrying in here ;) |
| 02:54.48 | abrotman | did you pray first? |
| 02:55.24 | peterS | codynotes: download a .deb from http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.18-i386/ or so |
| 02:55.51 | codynotes | peterS: OK, and install with dpkg? |
| 02:55.57 | inflex | abrotman: I slaughtered a few Windows CD's |
| 02:56.07 | peterS | codynotes: right, it should allow you to install it, then you can boot it (hopefully) then upgrade everything |
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| 02:56.26 | codynotes | Alright here goes nothing |
| 02:56.34 | codynotes | I guess I should back some stuff up first =P |
| 02:57.20 | cjaymes | "Hey, I gotta go to the eye doctor late mrning tomorrow...got time to ride along?" |
| 02:57.28 | cjaymes | what do you horny devils think? |
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| 02:58.30 | MickMCMack | abrotman, http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/1039 |
| 02:59.20 | cjaymes | your computer is named Celeste? |
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| 02:59.39 | rcbarnes | Hey. Anyone have much experience with mkisofs? |
| 02:59.40 | abrotman | MickMCMack: does your dns work at all? |
| 02:59.42 | rcbarnes | I'm having issues with -R and -J |
| 02:59.44 | rcbarnes | mainly that specifying them causes collisions in naming that block successful creation of an image |
| 02:59.59 | peterS | rcbarnes: -J might cause that, -R shouldn't |
| 03:00.08 | MickMCMack | abrotman, I thinkso. |
| 03:00.09 | rcbarnes | I get it with both. |
| 03:00.29 | rcbarnes | peterS: I can get it to work with neither |
| 03:00.40 | rcbarnes | but I can't use 8.3 for naming in archives |
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| 03:00.43 | MickMCMack | abrotman, I've not logged into this install for... years. |
| 03:00.46 | cjaymes | abrotman, he shouldn't get 404 without some connection, right? |
| 03:00.50 | abrotman | MickMCMack: nslookup ftp.nl.debian.org |
| 03:00.53 | MickMCMack | Well, about a year. |
| 03:01.01 | abrotman | cjaymes: oh duh .. yes |
| 03:01.21 | abrotman | perhaps ftp.nl.debian.org isn't a full mirror anymore ? |
| 03:01.30 | peterS | rcbarnes: your name collisions - are they about 'Makefile' and 'makefile' existing in the same directory, sort of thing? |
| 03:01.32 | MickMCMack | I was guessing the mirror is out of date. |
| 03:01.33 | MickMCMack | Yes. |
| 03:01.36 | cjaymes | huh at least one of them doesn't work |
| 03:01.56 | cjaymes | http://ftp.nl.debian.org/debian-amd64/debian/dists/unstable/README |
| 03:02.03 | rcbarnes | nope, they're about two files in different dirs having the same name |
| 03:02.15 | rcbarnes | peterS: i find it very strange |
| 03:02.15 | cjaymes | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:02.25 | abrotman | MickMCMack: amd64 moved to the regular repository |
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| 03:04.29 | MickMCMack | abrotman++ |
| 03:04.40 | pab | has marillat moved? |
| 03:04.42 | abrotman | MickMCMack: !abrotman++ :) |
| 03:04.51 | abrotman | pab: debian-multimedia.org |
| 03:04.54 | abrotman | !marillat |
| 03:04.55 | dpkg | it has been said that marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 03:05.00 | MickMCMack | !abrotman++ |
| 03:05.04 | MickMCMack | \o> |
| 03:05.10 | MickMCMack | http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/1040 |
| 03:05.15 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:05.17 | Growly|meagain | ok if no one can help with that question, i'll ask another |
| 03:05.19 | MickMCMack | All the errors but these have gone. :x |
| 03:05.29 | abrotman | MickMCMack: there is no GPG key for stable |
| 03:05.35 | abrotman | MickMCMack: and you're not using stable |
| 03:05.39 | abrotman | !tell MickMCMack about testing security |
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| 03:05.45 | Growly|meagain | i wish to update-rc.d so that my script runs before the mountall.sh script, which nn / runlvl values are necessary? excuse my noobness. |
| 03:05.48 | MickMCMack | I'm not using stable? I am so sure I was! |
| 03:05.54 | MickMCMack | Curse my memory. |
| 03:06.12 | abrotman | MickMCMack: dpkg -l libc6 | tial -1 |
| 03:06.14 | abrotman | bah .. tail |
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| 03:08.20 | pab | thanks abrotman |
| 03:08.25 | abrotman | enjoy |
| 03:09.06 | cjaymes | Growly|meagain, it looks like mountall.sh is 35 |
| 03:09.20 | MickMCMack | abrotman, I did what the bot told me to do, but I still get the same error. |
| 03:09.43 | abrotman | MickMCMack: you have to comment out the security line for stable |
| 03:09.52 | MickMCMack | I did. |
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| 03:10.19 | abrotman | paste your sources |
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| 03:10.24 | cjaymes | Growly|meagain, its in rcS.d |
| 03:10.32 | cjaymes | it's |
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| 03:10.56 | abrotman | eww... gentoo person! |
| 03:11.14 | MickMCMack | abrotman, http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/1041 |
| 03:11.16 | cjaymes | thought I smellled something |
| 03:11.41 | abrotman | MickMCMack: what does `apt-get update` say ? |
| 03:11.44 | inflex | okay ladies and gentlemen... the apt-get -f install almost worked... except I get an error when it's doing the upgrade |
| 03:11.51 | inflex | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.2.ds1-22sarge3_i386.deb (--unpack): |
| 03:11.51 | inflex | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:12.01 | abrotman | !overwrite |
| 03:12.02 | dpkg | The reason you have to use dpkg --force-overwrite is because the package you are trying to install has files which exist in another package and does not conflict with the other package. This is *ALWAYS* a bug. Make sure a bug is filed (ask me about <bts>). If there isn't one, use reportbug to report it. Then install using the following: apt-get -o DPkg::Options::="--force-overwrite" install <packagename> |
| 03:12.03 | inflex | and then it breaks the pipe.... fun. |
| 03:12.16 | abrotman | though ... it's probablty not a bug .. but something you did |
| 03:12.25 | inflex | abrotman: of course - I'm a human. |
| 03:12.30 | abrotman | i blame god |
| 03:12.37 | cjaymes | I had that happen the other day; it was fixed today |
| 03:12.39 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, You seem to be one of the more active persons on this channel... |
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| 03:12.43 | cjaymes | not that file/package though |
| 03:12.47 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: don't tell anyone |
| 03:13.04 | cjaymes | hey, I'm active |
| 03:13.12 | abrotman | cjaymes: herpes doesn't count |
| 03:13.13 | cjaymes | not as active as I'd like to be |
| 03:13.15 | MickMCMack | abrotman, http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/1042 |
| 03:13.28 | cjaymes | no, but they're sure fun to play with |
| 03:13.31 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, Why? Isen't that one of your motivations? ;) |
| 03:13.53 | cjaymes | oh, wait, I don't think we were talking about the same thing :) |
| 03:13.54 | inflex | I blame myself because I'm traditionally a slackware user... so I'm using to doing things by hand. |
| 03:13.56 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: i like helping people |
| 03:14.46 | inflex | abrotman: that stops often when those ppl turn on you :( |
| 03:14.46 | abrotman | they do? |
| 03:14.51 | inflex | okay guys and girls ... things are happening now... I thank you very kindly. |
| 03:14.53 | MickMCMack | I bet the unstable I think I'm using is stable now. :s |
| 03:15.01 | cjaymes | AndyMcGee, abrotman is an interesting species, isn't it? |
| 03:15.07 | abrotman | !apt-key 2D230C5F |
| 03:15.07 | dpkg | gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 2D230C5F | sudo apt-key add -; |
| 03:15.09 | abrotman | MickMcMack: ^^ |
| 03:15.10 | inflex | abrotman: yes - they do eventually... only one or two.. but it's enough to make you hate people again |
| 03:15.26 | abrotman | inflex: noone likes me .. not a problem :) |
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| 03:15.30 | AndyMcGee | cjaymes, I dont think that he is any other than we all are. |
| 03:15.43 | abrotman | ack! .. i'm a cjaymes!! |
| 03:16.02 | cjaymes | ooooo, that was just for the herpes comment, but it's on now! |
| 03:16.08 | abrotman | hehe |
| 03:16.13 | inflex | *laugh* |
| 03:16.52 | MickMcMack | abrotman, http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/1043 :o |
| 03:16.55 | AndyMcGee | My compliments to mankind... this is one of the places where one can see it happen. |
| 03:17.08 | abrotman | cjaymes: you bastard! |
| 03:17.24 | inflex | a dash of anthrax would go well. |
| 03:17.27 | abrotman | MickMcMack: eh .. i have no idea about that error |
| 03:17.39 | abrotman | MickMcMack: oh .. wait |
| 03:17.45 | MickMcMack | abrotman, I installed sudo. |
| 03:17.49 | abrotman | MickMcMack: leave the "sudo" out of that command if you're running it as root |
| 03:18.04 | MickMcMack | http://www.papernapkin.org/pastebin/app/view/1044 |
| 03:18.20 | abrotman | MickMcMack: run apt-get update again |
| 03:18.26 | omry | hi, I upgraded courier mail (debian etch), and now I can't login to imap. I am using the mysql authentication but it does not seem to them connect the database, any idea? |
| 03:18.42 | MickMcMack | !abrotman+=5 |
| 03:18.42 | cjaymes | gack, I'm not even going to say that |
| 03:18.52 | abrotman | MickMcMack: do i get a cookie? |
| 03:19.04 | MickMcMack | A double chocolate chip one! |
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| 03:19.18 | abrotman | !cookie abrotman |
| 03:19.30 | abrotman | eh .. ok |
| 03:19.31 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, Does the thing you do to be able to aquire food involve any computer manipulating? |
| 03:19.35 | cjaymes | with hot bacon dressing on top |
| 03:19.40 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: eh? |
| 03:19.49 | MickMcMack | cjaymes, a cookie with bacon? Ewww. |
| 03:19.50 | inflex | OMG.... ! *hugs all around* |
| 03:19.52 | inflex | it worked! |
| 03:20.04 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, Do you work anything IT-ish? |
| 03:20.13 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: yep .. i'm an admin/developer |
| 03:20.33 | abrotman | mostly admin |
| 03:20.41 | AndyMcGee | abrotman, What do you develop? |
| 03:20.49 | abrotman | you don't even want to know |
| 03:21.08 | abrotman | well .. other than web stuff .. you don't want to know |
| 03:21.08 | cjaymes | I just realized that I'm now into S&M |
| 03:21.08 | AndyMcGee | I want to, thats why im asking ;) |
| 03:21.08 | tjousk | heh |
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| 03:21.17 | abrotman | AndyMcGee: it's a proprietary language used for one app for the financial world |
| 03:21.24 | abrotman | stack based RPN language |
| 03:21.28 | inflex | sounds like COBOL |
| 03:21.34 | cjaymes | FORTRAN |
| 03:21.38 | abrotman | worse |
| 03:21.43 | abrotman | i've done both .. far far worse |
| 03:21.47 | abrotman | but i don't do that much of it |
| 03:21.48 | MickMcMack | RPN is not something I want to see after I've just eaten. :| |
| 03:21.58 | AndyMcGee | Thats interesting... |
| 03:22.01 | cjaymes | I use a program written in COBOL everyday |
| 03:22.08 | abrotman | RPG is better than cobol |
| 03:22.13 | abrotman | i sound like an old man |
| 03:22.32 | cjaymes | I like Quake better than Doom |
| 03:22.47 | AndyMcGee | On a scale form 1...10, how wise does the money-world use technologie in your optinion. |
| 03:23.01 | abrotman | from what i've seen .. -24 |
| 03:23.16 | AndyMcGee | Uh, thats a statement... |
| 03:23.18 | cjaymes | and they're not willing to pay for it either |
| 03:23.22 | abrotman | yep |
| 03:23.24 | magyar | anyone using gnunet? |
| 03:24.24 | cjaymes | AndyMcGee, does the sentence "Throw papa down the stairs his coat" make sense to you? |
| 03:25.12 | cjaymes | heh, need to wear deodorant |
| 03:25.15 | Stevie-O | it seems to be missing a preposition |
| 03:25.18 | unagme | i must thank this channel, even if it's a bit late, for all the times you've recommended i learn aptitude and stop using dselect |
| 03:25.18 | AndyMcGee | cjaymes, Stop that, im human ;) |
| 03:25.43 | Stevie-O | I know plenty of humans who can spell AND use apostrophes |
| 03:25.48 | cjaymes | Stevie-O, it's PA Dutch sentence construction |
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| 03:26.12 | codynotes | peterS: I tried to install the kernel .deb, but it too fails because of initrd-tools and modutils dependency problems |
| 03:26.28 | cjaymes | which is pretty much German, like, I assume, our friend Andy here |
| 03:26.41 | peterS | codynotes: hrrm. so initrd-tools and modutils aren't already on your system? |
| 03:26.41 | MickMcMack | I'm scared of running apt-get upgrade. :( |
| 03:27.42 | AndyMcGee | cjaymes, pah, that was too easy for you ;) |
| 03:27.45 | codynotes | peterS: I don't know; how do I check? |
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| 03:28.33 | peterS | codynotes: 'dpkg -l modutils initrd-tools'. you can download those from the same debian mirror if need be |
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| 03:28.55 | AndyMcGee | cjaymes, But i guess you used good quality data to do that asumtion. |
| 03:29.06 | cjaymes | AndyMcGee, just whois |
| 03:29.18 | codynotes | peterS: It lists them as being there |
| 03:29.36 | peterS | codynotes: so I wonder why it's complaining about them then |
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| 03:29.50 | AndyMcGee | cjaymes, Ok, lets get closer, i wonder what else you can find out. Would you do that penetration test for me? |
| 03:29.51 | Kilopopo | hi |
| 03:29.51 | peterS | codynotes: unless the new versions are half-installed (installed but not yet configured) |
| 03:29.59 | Kilopopo | is there debian 64 |
| 03:30.03 | cjaymes | oooook |
| 03:30.08 | Kilopopo | i wanna try debian on my 64 bit laptop |
| 03:30.14 | Kilopopo | does debian support 64bit |
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| 03:31.16 | codynotes | peterS: there's a bunch of junk at the top of the dpkg listing, I don't know if that's supposed to be a legend of some sort or if it's trying to tell me something about these packages |
| 03:31.17 | wols | yes.SPARC |
| 03:31.30 | wols | IA64 too :) |
| 03:31.31 | codynotes | Should I download the debs and try to install them both? |
| 03:31.46 | cjaymes | does it support 128 bit? |
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| 03:31.55 | wols | seriously: there is a AMD64 version |
| 03:32.07 | wols | cjaymes: if you can produce a 128bit general purpose CPU, sure |
| 03:32.08 | peterS | codynotes: yeah the first few lines are a legend for how to interpret the first columns. sure, go ahead and download old debs of those two things (note, old, not new, debs) |
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| 03:32.26 | cjaymes | hrm; the powerpcs have a 128 vector processor |
| 03:32.36 | Kilopopo | does debian support 64bit |
| 03:32.48 | wols | as does the P4. it's not general purpose. it won't work on its own alone |
| 03:33.07 | codynotes | peterS: Oh, I get it. There's an 'r' and a 'c' in the first column for both |
| 03:33.08 | cjaymes | I didn't know the p4 had one |
| 03:33.18 | wols | what do you think SSE is? |
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| 03:33.26 | wols | just like altivec |
| 03:33.26 | peterS | codynotes: right, you want 'ii' meaning installed and intended-to-be-installed |
| 03:33.36 | codynotes | OK |
| 03:33.37 | cjaymes | huh |
| 03:33.48 | SerajewelKS | are there any prebuild xen kernel images in debian? |
| 03:33.51 | SerajewelKS | prebuilt* |
| 03:33.57 | cjaymes | maybe I should read up on the ps after all |
| 03:34.26 | cjaymes | I've been avoiding that because the bit order gives me a headache |
| 03:34.32 | wols | ps? that's mips. ps2 is EE which is not usable by linux and vector again. i/o is the mips from ps1 |
| 03:34.56 | cjaymes | pentiums |
| 03:35.35 | cjaymes | not ps |
| 03:35.59 | wols | Kilopopo: google for "debian amd64". It's not in the official releases yet |
| 03:36.09 | wols | imho no 64bit linux is really usable right now |
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| 03:36.19 | wols | AMD64bit that is |
| 03:36.49 | stew | 64bit linux has been useful for years |
| 03:36.53 | MickMcMack | I don't have a problem with my amd64 Linux... |
| 03:37.06 | wols | stew: I corrected my error |
| 03:37.39 | cjaymes | are the alphas officially dead? |
| 03:37.41 | stew | amd64 is quite useful |
| 03:37.54 | Kilopopo | i was using gentoo amd64 its got nice support |
| 03:38.23 | Kilopopo | but i dont wannause gentoo right now cause it got some problems with dependencies |
| 03:38.32 | Kilopopo | im thinking of fedora or debian |
| 03:38.39 | Kilopopo | but fedora is releasing version 6 |
| 03:38.51 | Kilopopo | its beta i dont wanna use beta |
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| 03:39.51 | yavinite | \help |
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| 03:40.28 | fdsd | hey guys, is there a way to run a script as root from the users .bash_profile? suid maybe? |
| 03:40.54 | stew | fdsd: sudo |
| 03:41.03 | cjaymes | my crystal ball says, is this a good idea? |
| 03:41.17 | peterS | fdsd: yeah, better set it up with sudo, you can't use setuid directly for scripts |
| 03:41.21 | codynotes | peterS: Wait, I misread the line apt spit back before; it depends on modutils and libc6-dev, which depends on my old friend libc6 |
| 03:41.28 | fdsd | stew, im not able to use sudo because I do blah && blah and sudo is only set to the first blah |
| 03:41.35 | codynotes | This libc6 is fucking everything up |
| 03:41.42 | stew | fdsd: sudo blah && sudo blah |
| 03:41.51 | peterS | codynotes: I wonder why it thinks it needs libc6-dev. but anyway, pull that from the same place you got the libc6 .deb |
| 03:41.52 | cjaymes | fdsd, sudo blah && sudo blah? |
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| 03:41.59 | codynotes | OK |
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| 03:42.07 | CableModem | Hi. |
| 03:42.09 | fdsd | stew, what about bar if=/blah | of=/dev/blah ? |
| 03:42.14 | CableModem | I've got a debian question |
| 03:42.19 | fdsd | stew, doesnt seem to work with sudo |
| 03:42.33 | fdsd | stew, what about bar if=/blah | dd of=/dev/blah ? |
| 03:42.49 | stew | fdsd: sudo baf if=/blah | sudo dd of=/dev/blah |
| 03:42.56 | fdsd | stew, I guess |
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| 03:43.12 | stew | fdsd: or put it all in a script and let them run the script with sudo |
| 03:43.24 | CableModem | Ok. I've got a low-mem install question |
| 03:43.42 | fdsd | stew, if bar if=/blah | dd of=/dev/blah is in a script called blah and I do sudo blah does it make everything ran in the script ran as root? |
| 03:43.53 | CableModem | I'm trying to install on a Pentium I, 100MHz, 15MB of system useable RAM |
| 03:44.04 | CableModem | The Netinstall disc didnt work |
| 03:44.15 | CableModem | So I'm thinking that it dosent havent enough ram |
| 03:44.17 | CableModem | So. |
| 03:44.19 | nrdb | I am wondering is there anyone here that uses gnucash with the postgresql backend? |
| 03:44.32 | CableModem | I've loaded up the low-mem-boot disk |
| 03:44.34 | wols | nrdb: ask your real question |
| 03:44.54 | cjaymes | CableModem, use the bootdisks; I had debian running on a 486 w/8 (i think) mb of ram |
| 03:45.09 | CableModem | cjaymes: Boot disks? |
| 03:45.22 | cjaymes | yeah...hold on a sec |
| 03:45.24 | CableModem | like the normal packages? |
| 03:45.34 | cjaymes | !bootdisk |
| 03:45.35 | dpkg | i heard bootdisk is at ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/stable/main/disks-<platform>, where platform is i386, powerpc, sparc, m68k, arm, or alpha, or at any mirror site |
| 03:45.41 | sigma957 | CableModem: what happens when you use the low mem bootdisk? |
| 03:45.42 | cjaymes | there ya go |
| 03:45.43 | nrdb | wols: I saw an old write up saying its (postgresql backend) not working fully, is this true? and where do you get it? |
| 03:45.44 | stew | you can't even run a potato installer with only 8mb of ram |
| 03:45.49 | wols | cjaymes: depends on the debian version. I ran it on a 486-33 with 4MB once. it worked, used more swap than ram. but newer versions wouldn't install anymore (was 2.0 or so) |
| 03:46.11 | CableModem | sigma957: I'm stick at the point where its asking me about how many cylinders |
| 03:46.12 | cjaymes | hmm, this was at least 2.2; been a while back |
| 03:46.15 | CableModem | for the thing |
| 03:46.20 | CableModem | I'm totally clueless. |
| 03:46.24 | dondelelcaro | if you want to install Debian on a machine that small, you do the install on another machine. |
| 03:46.28 | CableModem | First time linux install. |
| 03:46.40 | wols | or use a debian 2.0 or so image |
| 03:46.50 | CableModem | Whys that? |
| 03:46.56 | dondelelcaro | alternatively, you use a specially designed subset of the archive; 4M can't fit the full dependency graph. [24M is barely able able to fit it.] |
| 03:47.07 | wols | cause newer kernels and newer installers use more memory than you have. ergo you can't install |
| 03:47.20 | wols | since you're new to linux, have you looked at DSL, damnsmalllinux? |
| 03:47.21 | CableModem | So debian 2.0 works well? |
| 03:47.24 | dondelelcaro | wols: it's really the issue above. |
| 03:47.27 | CableModem | wols: Yeah. |
| 03:47.41 | dondelelcaro | CableModem: if you want to install on that machine, rip out the harddrive, install exactly what you want, and put the harddrive back. |
| 03:47.56 | CableModem | dondelelcaro: Right now, I only have access to a laptop |
| 03:48.09 | CableModem | dondelelcaro: Will a USB <-> IDE convertor allow an install |
| 03:48.11 | wols | CableModem: what do you want to do with the machine? |
| 03:48.14 | dondelelcaro | CableModem: yes. |
| 03:48.20 | CableModem | wols: Nothing much, just whatever |
| 03:48.35 | CableModem | Just some idleing tasks |
| 03:48.36 | wols | you won't have a GUI btw |
| 03:48.40 | CableModem | I wont? |
| 03:48.42 | CableModem | O_o |
| 03:48.44 | cjaymes | hey there big boy |
| 03:48.48 | dondelelcaro | CableModem: but you may as well consider finding a trashbin or a swapmeet machine... you'll spend less time with an investment of $50. |
| 03:48.55 | CableModem | heh... |
| 03:49.07 | CableModem | How much RAM does the GUI require? |
| 03:49.14 | wols | 15MB just isn't enough for a usable X install |
| 03:49.15 | dondelelcaro | CableModem: probably somewhere around 12M |
| 03:49.21 | CableModem | Can I just run loads of Virtual ram? |
| 03:49.30 | dondelelcaro | CableModem: no, because it'll be rediculously slow. |
| 03:49.31 | wols | 16MB with DSL (has special X binaries) |
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| 03:49.40 | CableModem | dondelelcaro: How rediculous |
| 03:49.53 | cjaymes | re-damn-diculous |
| 03:49.58 | CableModem | I dont mind too slow |
| 03:50.11 | dondelelcaro | CableModem: you're running on a slow machine with a slow drive and no memory. Imagine being able to watch every single pixel draw itself. |
| 03:50.22 | dondelelcaro | and having time for a coffee break in between each one. |
| 03:50.23 | CableModem | Wow. Thats slow. |
| 03:50.30 | CableModem | Hrm... |
| 03:50.48 | dondelelcaro | seriously, unless you've got some real reason to use the 4M 486, just put it back in the closet or take it to the recycler. |
| 03:51.08 | wols | he has a P5 150 with 15MB |
| 03:51.12 | CableModem | Its actually the first computer I used. :) |
| 03:51.16 | cjaymes | you know, maybe I did linux-from-scratch on that 486 |
| 03:51.25 | cjaymes | I don't remember |
| 03:51.44 | CableModem | So, it has some nostalgic value |
| 03:51.45 | CableModem | :) |
| 03:51.53 | nrdb | CableModem: Have you tried a LiveCD? |
| 03:51.55 | wols | CableModem: make it a router |
| 03:52.05 | CableModem | Not, not live CDs |
| 03:52.10 | CableModem | should I try a live CD? |
| 03:52.15 | wols | heh. livecds on 12MB. fun for everyone |
| 03:52.19 | dondelelcaro | nrdb: that won't help. |
| 03:52.20 | CableModem | Those need quite a bit of ram? |
| 03:52.30 | CableModem | I was looking at knoppix this mornin |
| 03:52.35 | wols | usually they unpack the stuff from CD to a ramdrive |
| 03:52.35 | dondelelcaro | heh. 4M isn't even enough for a routing table of any size. |
| 03:52.40 | CableModem | and I think I didnt DL it, because they need lots of RAM. |
| 03:52.51 | wols | dondelelcaro: 15MB. fli4l works in there |
| 03:53.19 | CableModem | Hrmm.... |
| 03:53.25 | CableModem | What OS should I put on here, I wonder. |
| 03:53.34 | wols | MSDOS? |
| 03:53.39 | CableModem | Maybe I'll just put 95 back on |
| 03:53.42 | CableModem | it came with 95 |
| 03:53.47 | dondelelcaro | hardly |
| 03:53.56 | CableModem | only thing is, I cant find a network card & driver |
| 03:53.56 | CableModem | :) |
| 03:54.00 | nrdb | I have run Knoppix on some 386 machines, really slow, 10+ min to boot. |
| 03:54.06 | CableModem | ahah |
| 03:54.24 | dondelelcaro | nrdb: it has to be an ancient knoppix then, because kernels post 2.2 don't even support 386. |
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| 03:55.08 | dondelelcaro | (one of the reasons why Debian hasn't support i386 since sarge.) |
| 03:55.32 | CableModem | heh. |
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| 03:55.49 | CableModem | I guess I'm stuck with vintage Win95 |
| 03:55.52 | CableModem | Thanks guys |
| 03:55.58 | CableModem | Come visit us in #wikipedia |
| 03:56.00 | CableModem | :) |
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| 03:56.02 | nrdb | dondelelcaro: my mistake it was old and very slow. |
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| 03:59.15 | jfk | how now? |
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| 04:00.48 | codynotes | peterS: I'm completely lost; I can't install modutils from the .deb because there's some conflict with binutils. I can't find a .deb for libc6-dev (or libc6 for that matter) on any of the mirrors either... |
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| 04:01.32 | wols | a mirror without libc6 is impossible. is it the special version you need that's missing? |
| 04:01.45 | peterS | wols: yes, he's set to testing but can't install libc6 from testing yet |
| 04:01.56 | wols | do you run a mongrel debian with packages from, stable testing etc mixed? |
| 04:02.19 | peterS | wols: libc6 from testing refuses to install until he upgrades from kernel 2.2 to something newer. of course, he can't upgrade, because his libc6 is too old to do so. |
| 04:02.24 | wols | peterS: why not? remove all conflicts with a heavy dose of dpkg -r and the dist-upgrade |
| 04:02.25 | codynotes | It's stable with a lot of testing packages; no unstable ones |
| 04:02.26 | peterS | wols: it's a pretty little situation |
| 04:02.42 | wols | peterS: compile a custom kernel |
| 04:02.42 | peterS | codynotes: you want libc6 and libc6-dev both from stable, if you can get them |
| 04:02.42 | wols | 2.4 |
| 04:02.51 | peterS | wols: that's asking a lot, any other advice? |
| 04:03.01 | jfk | codynotes: dist-upgrade to testing then. |
| 04:03.11 | peterS | jfk: he can't, are you not listening? |
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| 04:03.23 | jfk | peterS: FO. |
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| 04:03.32 | peterS | jfk: apparently you blanked out the part where his system will not upgrade because of a dependency loop |
| 04:04.09 | wols | peterS: are there monolithic 2.4 kernels without initrd on backports? |
| 04:04.29 | jfk | codynotes: with that kind of trash u r having, might as well start afresh, go for etch. |
| 04:04.30 | wols | or at least monolithic enough for his IDE chipset, FS driver and NIC |
| 04:04.37 | peterS | wols: I'd be surprised. the last 2.4 kernel without initrd was 2.4.18-bf2.4 |
| 04:04.48 | wols | peterS: that would be fine |
| 04:04.51 | peterS | from, you know, woody |
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| 04:05.09 | wols | if it boots properly whout modules it would be fine... |
| 04:05.14 | jfk | peterS: don't u think he should start afresh? |
| 04:05.16 | wols | *without |
| 04:05.18 | codynotes | I would just start fresh, and in fact I plan to, but at this point in time I need to get this box working because I have a deadline and it's holding me up |
| 04:05.44 | codynotes | There's a lot setup on the box and I can't spend time reconfiguring everything |
| 04:05.47 | wols | codynotes: a fresh install is an hour. you wasted more than one on this prob already |
| 04:06.02 | codynotes | wols: I *know* it won't take an hour |
| 04:06.04 | peterS | codynotes: you can try the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel. it's in http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.18-i386bf/ |
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| 04:06.31 | codynotes | I guess it might be my best bet, though |
| 04:06.42 | peterS | codynotes: it should boot without benefit of other things like initrd-tools, so it ought to get you past this hump |
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| 04:06.52 | wols | codynotes: save your /etc, /var,... |
| 04:07.00 | wols | most/all configs should take over then |
| 04:07.11 | jfk | peterS: what make u so sure it's a kernel problem? |
| 04:07.32 | peterS | jfk: I, unlike you, actually spent some time earlier helping him with his problem |
| 04:07.46 | peterS | jfk: I, therefore, unlike you, know exactly his problem is |
| 04:08.22 | jfk | peterS: u r always too corky sure, and always turn out to be wrong. |
| 04:08.35 | jfk | peterS: gfy. |
| 04:08.38 | peterS | jfk: do I always turn out to be wrong? like when? please cite an exact time |
| 04:08.44 | wols | jfk: the only one consistently being wrong here is you right now |
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| 04:08.57 | peterS | jfk: I, also, unlike you, know how to use full words rather than single letters |
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| 04:09.21 | Growly|meagain | cjaymes - cheers, i forgot to look at the prefix of files in the rcX.d directories :s |
| 04:09.22 | Growly|meagain | for shame. |
| 04:09.30 | ChakRa | ~__~ |
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| 04:13.38 | codynotes | peterS, wols: Thanks for all the super help. I think I will just do a fresh install. This current problem might be intractable.. |
| 04:14.01 | codynotes | And, I can go surfing while it's installing, and forget I ever heard of libc6 |
| 04:14.17 | peterS | codynotes: now that's another option, certainly |
| 04:14.24 | peterS | but the 2.4.18-bf2.4 might actually work, because unlike the other one I recommended, it requires no initrd |
| 04:14.43 | codynotes | peterS: OK, I'll give it a try first |
| 04:14.47 | stew | peterS: aren't you the corky one |
| 04:14.58 | stoned | my fonts are are fine in KDE, however they look horrible in gtk apps like xchat. I can't figure out the problem. I tried to install gnome-control-center and enabled antia lias there too, but still nothing, even restarted X |
| 04:14.59 | peterS | stew: yes, quite |
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| 04:15.10 | peterS | stew: and I always turn out to be wrong |
| 04:15.13 | stoned | someone please help as this is extremely annoying and brain boggling. |
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| 04:15.29 | stew | stoned: run switch2 to choose a better gtk font |
| 04:15.33 | stew | stoned: or swtich for gtk1 |
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| 04:16.01 | stoned | I am on debian sid, and after my last update today, the font I use in KDE all over the system is fine, but same font in gtk apps is horrible. It is called DejaVu Serif Condensed. |
| 04:16.06 | stoned | stew, ok let me check that out |
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| 04:17.35 | gejo_deb | I am facing a very serios problem in huge file uploading using apache |
| 04:17.47 | gejo_deb | i am not able to upload files bigger than 4 mb |
| 04:18.06 | gejo_deb | sorry 34 mb |
| 04:18.11 | codynotes | peterS: the 2.4.18-bf2.4 still complains about modutils |
| 04:18.17 | stoned | stew, all I see is package gtk-theme-switch, otherwise there is no such thing as switch/switch2 |
| 04:18.20 | codynotes | Which I couldn't install because it had a conflict with binutils |
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| 04:18.24 | gejo_deb | i canhe the parameters in php.ini also |
| 04:18.25 | peterS | codynotes: ignore it. install with 'dpkg --install --force-depends' if you have to |
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| 04:18.41 | RoAkSoAx | hello there can somebody tell me how to create virtual interfaces? |
| 04:18.53 | peterS | codynotes: however, come to think of it, I wonder why you don't have modutils already installed. does your 2.2 kernel not have modules? |
| 04:19.01 | stoned | stew, I would like to continue using the same font, however it used to look fine, now it looks pixelated, or blotted inked type, really nasty. |
| 04:19.25 | codynotes | Everytime I see --force-depends it reminds me of sanitary napkins |
| 04:19.30 | codynotes | Um, how do I tell if it has modules? |
| 04:19.34 | stew | stoned: gtk-theme-switch contains the switch2 binary |
| 04:19.51 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, I installed 'bootsplash" and the kernel patch. How would I set which image to use as my bootsplash image? Are there any arbitrary restrictions? Is there a good link on this? |
| 04:20.34 | peterS | codynotes: ...but you'll probably need to pull down the sarge version of modutils http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/m/modutils/modutils_2.4.26-1.2_i386.deb and install that before you reboot |
| 04:20.46 | Growly|meagain | if i've rm -R a folder, can i safely presume that it's completely gone and that there is no trace of it left anywhere, save for the data on the hard drive? |
| 04:21.16 | Growly|meagain | you see i did this, and df still shows that my disk is 80% used - this is nonsense i tell, utter nonsense! |
| 04:21.27 | Growly|meagain | is there some sort of directory tree size viewer? |
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| 04:22.54 | freeone3000 | Well, did it contain a visible portion of data? As in, enough to influence df? |
| 04:23.28 | RoAkSoAx | hello there can somebody tell me how to create virtual interfaces? |
| 04:23.56 | stoned | stew, I did not really need switch2 as I am using the gtk2-engine-qt kcontrol plugin for kde. Even on using switch2 however, the font still looks horrible. I beleive it maybe an anti aliasing issue within gtk2/gnome apps, because the same font looks good on kde apps. |
| 04:24.27 | stoned | stew, how/where can I specify antialiasing in gtk2 apps? |
| 04:25.03 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, I installed 'bootsplash" and the kernel patch. How would I set which image to use as my bootsplash image? Are there any arbitrary restrictions? Is there a good link on this? /boot/grub/menu.lst isn't giving me anything useful. |
| 04:25.23 | freeone3000 | I have a quite specific image I would like to be my bootloader. :) |
| 04:26.18 | stoned | stew, here is a screenshot to show you what I mean. http://letme.getmyip.com:8181~/stoned/badfont.jpg <-- if you notice, you will see that the window behind xchat is using the SAME font as xchat, but the font in xchat looks horrible |
| 04:26.42 | freeone3000 | stoned: Malformed URL. |
| 04:27.02 | stoned | oops |
| 04:27.24 | stoned | http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/badfont.jpg |
| 04:27.33 | peterS | yay! another cameo! |
| 04:27.43 | stoned | sorry about that, my tilde was misplaced |
| 04:27.49 | stoned | hehe |
| 04:27.51 | stoned | so any help guys? |
| 04:27.56 | gejo_deb | is there is any setting in pache2 to limit the file size of uploading files |
| 04:28.01 | stoned | I have tried everything I know and have failed |
| 04:28.02 | gejo_deb | sorry apache2 |
| 04:28.09 | cafuego | gejo_deb: via php or via dav? |
| 04:28.48 | gejo_deb | in php i changed all the settings |
| 04:29.00 | gejo_deb | cafuego: mean php.ini |
| 04:29.08 | gejo_deb | yes |
| 04:30.30 | cafuego | gejo_deb: Yes, check upload_max_filesize and post_max_size and memory_limit |
| 04:30.37 | gejo_deb | i changed the parameters like max_execution_time max_input_time memory_limit post_max_size upload_max_filesize default_socket_timeout = |
| 04:30.47 | gejo_deb | this are the parametrs that i changed |
| 04:30.57 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, I installed 'bootsplash" and the kernel patch. How would I set which image to use as my bootsplash image? I would like a specific one. :) |
| 04:31.13 | gejo_deb | cafuego: did you know any limitation setting in apache2 |
| 04:31.28 | cafuego | Did you also check the MAX_FILE_SIZE input value in the upload form? |
| 04:31.36 | stoned | anyone? |
| 04:31.47 | cafuego | gejo_deb: No, I'm not aware of any limits in apache itself. |
| 04:32.21 | cafuego | freeone3000: Convert the image, patch the kernel, recompile kernel with new image. |
| 04:32.21 | gejo_deb | I don't set any limit |
| 04:32.48 | cafuego | gejo_deb: You probably should (even if it's 512MB or somesuch) |
| 04:33.02 | freeone3000 | cafuego: Woah. It's embedded? |
| 04:33.13 | freeone3000 | cafuego: I woulda thought it would be linked or something. |
| 04:33.28 | cafuego | freeone3000: nope |
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| 04:33.30 | stoned | so.. either no one knows, or no one gives a shit |
| 04:33.37 | stoned | pretty much? right? |
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| 04:33.50 | freeone3000 | cafuego: Is it POSSIBLE to make it linked? |
| 04:34.01 | cafuego | freeone3000: Not to my knowledge |
| 04:34.14 | cafuego | freeone3000: See, the kernel has no routines for parsing image formats. |
| 04:34.23 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. That's fine. |
| 04:34.25 | freeone3000 | It should be bitmap, right? |
| 04:34.52 | freeone3000 | stoned: Dude, you don't have to recompile gnome to get a new desktop background. |
| 04:35.02 | stoned | freeone3000, what? |
| 04:35.10 | stoned | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 04:35.30 | cafuego | freeone3000: I dunno about debian, my box uses a compiled-to-shared-lib bootsplash that is pulled into the inird image when you either install or reconfigure the kernel package. (ubuntu) |
| 04:35.33 | freeone3000 | stoned: For the kernel, I'munna have to recompile the patch to get a new bootscreen. |
| 04:35.42 | sid | !tell freeone3000 about bootsplash |
| 04:35.45 | stoned | yeah, good luck |
| 04:35.58 | stoned | !tell #debian about help stoned |
| 04:35.59 | freeone3000 | Ah. Thanks. That sounds smarter. |
| 04:36.06 | stoned | :/ |
| 04:36.30 | freeone3000 | !sid++ |
| 04:37.40 | gejo_deb | cafuego : can i upgrade my RAM to 512 MB now it is 512 MB |
| 04:37.50 | gejo_deb | and it is not using any swap space |
| 04:38.26 | freeone3000 | Er. Is there an undo? |
| 04:38.31 | cafuego | gejo_deb: What does that have to do with anything? |
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| 04:42.08 | freeone3000 | !bootsplash |
| 04:42.08 | dpkg | i heard bootsplash is http://www.bootsplash.org/ && http://www.bootsplash.de (Themes and updates and debian packages) see also gensplash, or http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/linuxdeskhks/chapter/hack08.pdf, or download kernel sources, apply bootsplash patches to it, enable frambuffer and disable "bootup logo", compile the kernel, install bootsplash package, patch initrd image with "splash", update boot manager and reboot |
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| 04:42.44 | stoned | so can't anyone help me with my problem |
| 04:43.01 | freeone3000 | Okay, I did that splash -t -u <picture>.jpg -f /etc/blahblahblah/[tab].cfg >> /boot/initrd and it enabled the framebuffer, but not the bootsplash image. |
| 04:43.54 | stoned | you guys can sit there and construct fucking 100 machine cluster fucks, but you can't help me with a simple font problem? |
| 04:44.00 | stoned | thats mind boggling |
| 04:44.03 | stoned | :( |
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| 04:44.34 | stoned | argh, I'm being an asshole, sorry, Im just really frustrated |
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| 04:44.43 | freeone3000 | stoned: That's right, because I use KDE. |
| 04:44.54 | freeone3000 | Well, either KDE or virtual terminal. |
| 04:45.14 | stoned | that doesn't help me at all |
| 04:45.30 | freeone3000 | Stop using gnome! Then no fonts will look ugly! |
| 04:45.36 | freeone3000 | In fact, who needs X at all? |
| 04:45.40 | stoned | I don't use gnome |
| 04:45.42 | stoned | for fucks sake |
| 04:45.50 | freeone3000 | Okay. Even better! |
| 04:45.50 | stoned | you're being useless man |
| 04:45.59 | stoned | if you can't help, don't suggest NOT using things |
| 04:46.01 | stoned | please |
| 04:46.05 | freeone3000 | Kay. |
| 04:46.36 | freeone3000 | Okay, I did that splash -t -u <picture>.jpg -f /etc/blahblahblah/[tab].cfg >> /boot/initrd thing that someone posted, and it enabled the framebuffer, but oddly enough, the bootsplash image didn't appear. Any ideas? |
| 04:47.23 | freeone3000 | Oh. That's not what -u is for. |
| 04:47.27 | freeone3000 | What the smeg then. |
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| 04:47.32 | samuel | sup all |
| 04:47.36 | freeone3000 | Hi.. |
| 04:47.44 | samuel | how can i encode a wma file to wav |
| 04:47.47 | samuel | ? |
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| 04:48.01 | Agrajag- | stoned: if you tell me how to run that kde font config thing i can tell you what mine are set at |
| 04:48.16 | freeone3000 | KFontConf at "Run"? |
| 04:48.49 | stoned | Agrajag-, the problem is, to me it looks like after my last update, I wasn't paying attentio to anything but bugs, so maybe gtk2 packages got updated, and looks like these new packages were compiled without freetype support |
| 04:48.50 | Agrajag- | i don't use kde |
| 04:49.04 | freeone3000 | Er... That'll be interesting. |
| 04:49.14 | Agrajag- | stoned: you using unstable? |
| 04:49.23 | samuel | how can i encode a wma file to wav? |
| 04:49.29 | stoned | The same font looks fine in kde, but it looks bad/very grainy in gtk2 apps |
| 04:49.32 | stoned | Agrajag-, yes |
| 04:49.45 | Agrajag- | stoned: oh, from your screenie i thought it was qt apps that had the problem |
| 04:49.53 | sid | samuel: What version of debian are you running? |
| 04:50.00 | stoned | Agrajag-, if you look closely you'll see which fonts look fucked up |
| 04:50.05 | Agrajag- | stoned: ah yeah i see |
| 04:50.26 | freeone3000 | How would I view a picture using aalib? |
| 04:50.27 | stoned | it was fine until today's update |
| 04:50.42 | freeone3000 | mplayer -vo aa foo.jpg doesn't last long enough. |
| 04:50.46 | stoned | and I am so anal, I don't want to use anything but DejaVu Serif condensed font |
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| 04:51.01 | sid | freeone3000: mplayer -fps 1 -vo aa foo.jpg |
| 04:51.11 | Agrajag- | stoned: so it does that for all fonts? |
| 04:51.14 | freeone3000 | sid: Ah. Thanks. |
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| 04:51.29 | sid | !tell samuel about marillat |
| 04:51.47 | stoned | Agrajag-, no, just these two fonts. Dejavu Serif Condensed and Dejavu Sand Condensed. Other Dejavu fonts are fine in both kde/gtk apps |
| 04:51.54 | sid | samuel: You need to add marilat; then apt-cache search mencoder; and install the software for your architecture |
| 04:52.00 | samuel | sid, im using unstable |
| 04:52.01 | stoned | Agrajag-, its just the "condensed" fonts that look screwey in gtk2 apps |
| 04:52.06 | samuel | i have mencoder |
| 04:52.11 | samuel | will that do it? |
| 04:52.12 | sid | samuel: Then just do... # mplayer -ao pcm -vo null audio.file.here |
| 04:52.17 | sid | !tell samuel about marillat.sid |
| 04:52.22 | sid | samuel: yes, absolutely |
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| 04:52.32 | sid | samuel: What type of cpu do you have? |
| 04:52.42 | samuel | sid, thanks!!!! ive a 686 |
| 04:52.44 | freeone3000 | sid: Hmm, that just crashes . |
| 04:52.47 | Agrajag- | stoned: if you run gnome-font-properties, does changing the font rendering help? |
| 04:53.00 | Agrajag- | it looks like you'd have yours set to monochrome |
| 04:53.08 | stoned | I have no gnome packages installed |
| 04:53.20 | sid | samuel: type what dpkg said, then apt-get update && apt-get install mencoder-586 |
| 04:53.23 | Agrajag- | hmm ok i dont know exactly what that app actually changes |
| 04:53.32 | sid | freeone3000: /join #mplayer |
| 04:53.43 | stoned | I installed gnome-control-center earlier and looked but anti aliasing was enabled already |
| 04:53.55 | freeone3000 | Okay, I did that splash -t -u <picture>.jpg -f /etc/blahblahblah/[tab].cfg >> /boot/initrd thing that someone posted, and it enabled the framebuffer, but oddly enough, the bootsplash image didn't appear. Any ideas? |
| 04:54.22 | Agrajag- | stoned: yeah gnome-font-properties is part of gnome-control-center |
| 04:54.36 | stoned | I have no gnome packages installed, I dont 'use gnome. |
| 04:54.46 | stoned | the only gtk2 apps I use are xchat and firefox |
| 04:54.59 | Agrajag- | you just said you installed gnome-control-center.. i think changing it in that should affect your gtk2 apps |
| 04:55.00 | stoned | and after today, the font I use in them, is looking horrible |
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| 04:55.14 | stoned | Agrajag-, yes and I removed it |
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| 04:56.22 | stoned | Agrajag-, it was already enabled and config was fine, so I remove control center |
| 04:56.23 | samuel | sid, thanks so mucho!!!! |
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| 04:58.04 | RoAkSoAx | hello there, can somebody help me in how to close and open ports? |
| 04:58.19 | stoned | Agrajag-, I just started gnome-font-properties and look what happened to my desktop. http://letme.getmyip.com:8181/~stoned/wtf.jpg |
| 04:58.37 | stoned | Agrajag-, I didn't do anything but start the program you said about |
| 04:59.06 | peterS | RoAkSoAx: you open a port by running a service on that port. you close a port by not running a service on that port. it's pretty simple |
| 04:59.24 | freeone3000 | Smegit. I don't reboot often enough for it to matter. Peace out. |
| 04:59.31 | Agrajag- | stoned: well change it to the font you want? |
| 04:59.46 | cafuego | Peace out. War in. |
| 04:59.49 | stoned | not gonna do jack shit, already tried it |
| 04:59.51 | RoAkSoAx | peterS, service httpd start? like that?? i do that on FC but debian i dont know |
| 04:59.55 | RoAkSoAx | how to do it |
| 05:00.04 | cafuego | RoAkSoAx: /etc/init.d/apache start |
| 05:00.22 | RoAkSoAx | cafuego, but for ssh for example? |
| 05:00.27 | peterS | RoAkSoAx: to open port 80, install apache. to close port 80, remove apache. that sort of thing. |
| 05:00.31 | Agrajag- | stoned: oh well, i guess you're right about it not being compiled with whatever support.. you are using unstable :/ |
| 05:00.41 | stoned | yeah |
| 05:00.42 | cafuego | Or you you need to be compatible; alias service='sudo invoke-rc.d'; service apache start |
| 05:00.43 | stoned | fun stuff |
| 05:00.52 | RoAkSoAx | peterS, i know how to start and stop apache, but i mean how to open an close ssh port and stuff like that |
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| 05:01.01 | cafuego | RoAkSoAx: same diff, just adjust the service name. |
| 05:01.18 | stoned | im about to say a BIG FUCK YOU to debian and selling my computers and never again using on unless I have to for school |
| 05:01.19 | stoned | :( |
| 05:01.27 | stoned | fucking machine man, I hate em |
| 05:01.28 | peterS | RoAkSoAx: to open port 22, install openssh-server. to close port 22, remove openssh-server. |
| 05:01.28 | RoAkSoAx | theres no ssh service thats y im asking |
| 05:01.46 | peterS | RoAkSoAx: please stop using words like 'y' and 'im' or I stop trying to answer your questions |
| 05:01.47 | cafuego | RoAkSoAx: Well, you need to install it first. |
| 05:01.48 | stoned | I'm gonna go move into the mountains, grow some good homegrown adn live like a farmer |
| 05:01.55 | Agrajag- | stoned: sounds like a plan |
| 05:01.57 | stoned | fuck technology |
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| 05:02.48 | stoned | I guess I'll just have to bend over and take it like a man, /me changes his font from condensed to something else |
| 05:02.53 | rellim | so ... what's the status of the debian amd64 official port? ... any progress? |
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| 05:03.39 | RoAkSoAx | cafuego, i have ssh client and server installed |
| 05:03.53 | peterS | RoAkSoAx: there are people out there who use kernel firewall features and such, just for a single machine, but it always struck me that the simplest way to operate is to run the network services you want to run, and don't run the ones you don't want to run |
| 05:04.16 | peterS | don't want a port open? don't install any software that serves things on that port! |
| 05:04.26 | cafuego | RoAkSoAx: then /etc/init.d/ssh ought to exist |
| 05:04.41 | RoAkSoAx | ok thnks guys |
| 05:04.48 | rellim | peterS: that is one security philosophy and it has technically proven to be flawed, but if you have a home "swouter" and just run what you use ... you should be fine for the most part |
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| 05:05.27 | peterS | rellim: it's only flawed if you can't keep control over the software on your own computer, or you don't trust the vendor not to backdoor it |
| 05:05.54 | peterS | rellim: if you're running a gateway with several computers behind it, it may be more efficient to block ports at the gateway than to police all the computers behind it. but that's not the case we're talking about here |
| 05:06.25 | concept10 | what backend database does apt/dpkg use? |
| 05:06.40 | rellim | peterS: well... yes and no, i read this massive research white paper on it conducted by some researchers at some university and they brought up some valid points, but at the same time ... for home use, those points weren't valid, so its a matter of opinion in my opinion |
| 05:07.00 | cafuego | concept10: flat text |
| 05:07.00 | rellim | concept10: apt? |
| 05:07.08 | rellim | oh ... rgr, nvm |
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| 05:07.14 | peterS | rellim: yeah, unless you're prepared to enumerate some of those points which apply to single-user systems like we're talking about ... right. |
| 05:07.52 | peterS | massive research white papers from universities are all very well but they generally address (a) networks full of windows boxes and (b) networks larger than one computer |
| 05:07.56 | rellim | peterS: well like i said "technically" it is flawed ... i don't think it is, but some professionals would beg to differ |
| 05:07.58 | cafuego | rellim: If you're after a desktop experience, just stick with x86 and avoid amd64. (the software, not the hardware :-) |
| 05:08.07 | concept10 | cafuego, if there any way to speed/clean/optimize this? its taking far too much time to seach the database |
| 05:08.20 | evilgeek | "white paper"? |
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| 05:08.23 | cafuego | concept10: Have a smaller database. |
| 05:08.34 | concept10 | heh |
| 05:08.37 | evilgeek | does "white paper" just mean "paper"? |
| 05:08.44 | sid | concept10: It uses the apt library, but Ubuntu edgy eft will implement S.M.A.R.T. and possibly it will be implemented into unstable one day. |
| 05:08.50 | rellim | cafuego: i actually had to shoot myself in the foot and go ubuntu for the time being, i needed to be able to code for class and i refuse to have just built an amd64 box nad not be able to use it |
| 05:08.50 | sid | So etch+1 might use SMART and not apt |
| 05:09.22 | rellim | sid: SMART is a front end that would interact with apt, not replace it |
| 05:09.27 | sid | rellim: What do you do about flash? |
| 05:09.39 | rellim | sid: i don't ... never really saw a need for it |
| 05:10.13 | concept10 | I used smart with apt back on fedora core 2 years ago, it was nice but rpms still caused dependency hell |
| 05:10.24 | sid | rellim: Do you use mplayer? All those binary windows codecs? you have no support for them either? |
| 05:10.30 | rellim | concept10: rpm is a waste of time |
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| 05:10.35 | concept10 | im just trying to find a way to speed this dpkg database |
| 05:10.46 | rellim | sid: yeah i do, i have mplayer and all the codecs ... everything works |
| 05:11.00 | rellim | sid: the only thing i have seen that doesn't work is flash |
| 05:11.03 | JeffH | what would be the best way to get postfix to filter security e-mails based on whether that package was installed on my machine? |
| 05:11.25 | sid | rellim: http://labix.org/smart/faq#head-cbf0cbb0f0f9275412b09b8c7582817d8df9e1a2 |
| 05:11.32 | sid | rellim: I don't believe SMART is a frontend for apt |
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| 05:11.38 | sid | It doesn't appear to use the apt library at all. |
| 05:11.54 | sid | rellim: Do you use w32codecs? |
| 05:11.54 | concept10 | i didnt know that dpkg used a flat file. maybe thats the reason similar approaches such as yum appears to be faster |
| 05:12.15 | sid | yum isn't faster then apt-get |
| 05:12.15 | rellim | sid: yeah, they just link to lib32 |
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| 05:12.27 | sid | yum is freaken slow |
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| 05:12.45 | sid | !start a package management war |
| 05:12.46 | dpkg | I'm a whole hell of a lot better than that dselect crap! |
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| 05:13.01 | rellim | sid: SMART might not be a front end, but i was told it was and so help me god if debian ditches apt i will start running gentoo |
| 05:13.21 | sid | rellim: apt is pretty ugly and hairy underneath |
| 05:13.33 | sid | SMART is much cleaner code, faster, and more portable. |
| 05:13.37 | rellim | rellim: well from the command line, it makes my life very easy |
| 05:13.47 | sid | So ALL GNU / Linux distributions could adopt it. This could help interoperability |
| 05:14.00 | rellim | hrmmm... |
| 05:14.18 | concept10 | i thought smart was 'just another front-end' ala 'synaptic' |
| 05:14.27 | rellim | could be an interesting idea, learn the package manager and don't worry about the package format |
| 05:14.41 | rellim | concept10: so did i ... sid corrected me |
| 05:15.00 | JeffH | lack of a 'standard' package format for all distros is going to be the death of Linux IMO. |
| 05:15.38 | rellim | JeffH: which is why everyone needs to wise up and port to .deb quick |
| 05:16.11 | MickMcMack | That's also why Linux will die. Too many diehards for their own distros! |
| 05:16.31 | sid | Well the founder of Debian who head linux standards body, says to use RPM and not deb rellim |
| 05:16.32 | JeffH | rellim: I (and I suspect most people) couldn't care less which package type is used. |
| 05:16.36 | rellim | MickMcMack: i have the debian swirl tattooed on my body, i am the walking die hard |
| 05:16.42 | MickMcMack | :3 |
| 05:17.14 | concept10 | smart is made by the same guys as synaptic, i remember this |
| 05:17.17 | peterS | MickMcMack: have you observed any evidence of linux dying so far? |
| 05:17.23 | rellim | JeffH: but they will bitch when the dependencies freak out because their OS is on rpms |
| 05:17.35 | rellim | concept10: i thought it was just a front end, and i hope it is |
| 05:17.47 | concept10 | thats IS what it is |
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| 05:18.07 | rellim | w00t, i was right :) |
| 05:18.08 | concept10 | it still relies on backend packaging systems |
| 05:18.10 | sid | SMART replaces apt-get and the apt library |
| 05:18.23 | sid | SMART would use dpkg |
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| 05:18.38 | rellim | ooooh, ok ... then i just mis understood |
| 05:18.44 | rellim | that makes sense |
| 05:19.02 | MickMcMack | peterS, it splits more everyday. x( |
| 05:19.17 | concept10 | sid, it still relies on backend |
| 05:19.24 | peterS | MickMcMack: you really think so? I am of the impression that the splitting peaked in about 2001 |
| 05:19.30 | concept10 | so in effect its just another front end |
| 05:19.36 | peterS | if not somewhat earlier |
| 05:19.36 | rellim | peterS: linux is still on the rise |
| 05:19.56 | cahoot | rellim: how can anyone tell? |
| 05:20.12 | MickMcMack | peterS, I'm just looking at Ubuntu, Edubuntu, Kubuntu, Xubuntu, Gubuntue and I think... Why? |
| 05:20.17 | rellim | cahoot: industry statistics |
| 05:20.17 | sid | concept10: synaptic/aptitude/apt-get all use the apt library. |
| 05:20.19 | sid | concept10: SMART does not use the apt library |
| 05:20.25 | MickMcMack | s/Gubuntue/Gubuntu |
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| 05:21.28 | peterS | MickMcMack: oh, I haven't paid much attention to the ubuntu world. spinoffs come and go, the number of distributions with any significant market share seems to be stable at around 5 |
| 05:21.31 | rellim | MickMcMack: Ubuntu was a great idea in theory, the side projects i think are kinda pointless but also keep with the "linux is about choice" and i am glad that the ubuntu higher ups and the debian higher ups sat down and attempted to resolve some current issues |
| 05:22.16 | peterS | do more than 5 distributions have double-digit market share? if not, I wouldn't worry much |
| 05:22.20 | concept10 | sid, my point is this: it doesnt make anything 'better' . on the surface, its just another gui app that uses the backend package managers,,, like I said, i used it on Fedora core two years ago |
| 05:22.23 | rellim | peterS: i think Ubuntu will be here to stay to be honest, their popularity is undeniable |
| 05:22.41 | peterS | rellim: probably so, but for every ubuntu there's a conectiva |
| 05:22.51 | rellim | peterS: linux as a whole is continuing to gain market share ... that was the point i was getting at |
| 05:22.52 | freakzoid0223 | look at the it count on distrowatch |
| 05:22.57 | freakzoid0223 | hit |
| 05:23.06 | peterS | rellim: conectiva had a quite large share in the latin american markets, but eventually it couldn't continue to compete on its own and joined mandrake |
| 05:23.42 | concept10 | debian is a great distro but ubuntu imo made things better by cleaning up the infrastructure among other things |
| 05:23.45 | rellim | peterS: fair enough, but as far as corporate world, i see Novell/SuSE taking over in the next 5 years |
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| 05:23.53 | peterS | yes, for you n00bs, that's the origin of the curious appellation 'mandriva' |
| 05:24.18 | sid | peterS: I heard Chris DiBona talk on tlls yesterday, and he said he's seen the google stats for operating system usage. And he said GNU / Linux desktop use was absolutely pitiful |
| 05:24.19 | rellim | concept10: Ubuntu made it better for the desktop, which is why its on my desktop, but my server will always run debian |
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| 05:24.25 | peterS | rellim: they haven't been able to get their act together in the past 5 years, so I don't really see it. suse is quite popular in germany, their home territory ... but guess what, so is debian |
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| 05:24.30 | concept10 | rellim, i do the same |
| 05:24.35 | rhys | if you want to upgrade a single program to unstable, is there a certian way to put the line in sources.list? |
| 05:24.36 | sid | peterS: And he's a free software advocate, and a GNU / Linux user. |
| 05:24.39 | rellim | concept10: w00t :) |
| 05:25.02 | rellim | peterS: wait until SLED 10 comes out stable, i think it will take off in the corporate world |
| 05:25.51 | rhys | any way to get certian programs from unstable and the rest from stable? |
| 05:25.59 | peterS | sid: that's no secret, everyone knows people love to hype up linux until it comes time to run it on their _own_ work machines |
| 05:26.24 | concept10 | The reason Ubuntu has done well is because of the community aspects. I came over from fedora because fc moves fast, updates from one version to the next is horrible. Debian is fine but having a great community is always better in the end. |
| 05:26.35 | peterS | sid: then it's all "mumble mumble need powerpoint mumble mumble no games? mumble" |
| 05:27.13 | peterS | concept10: ubuntu has a community? my impression was that it mainly has Canonical employees plus n00bs |
| 05:27.26 | sid | lol |
| 05:27.26 | JeffH | Linux desktop has a ways to go IMO.. there's two apps I have on Windows that just don't have equals on Linux |
| 05:27.32 | peterS | and not a lot, y'know, in between |
| 05:27.51 | rellim | peterS: i don't game, i code and in a business environment, employees shouldn't be playing them either ... powerpoint? i would rather use OpenOffice |
| 05:27.55 | sid | JeffH: What apps? |
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| 05:28.20 | concept10 | peterS, that may be so (or not) but the fact remains, they like to share, promote, make decent docs, maintain wikis, etc |
| 05:28.53 | peterS | concept10: maybe it's changed then. the feeling in the past was "why should we put energy into ubuntu instead of debian, debian's non-corporate after all" |
| 05:28.59 | sid | peterS: How many debian developers are paid by Canonical fulltime now? 30? |
| 05:29.10 | rellim | peterS: if Apple or Microsoft went open source, i would support them just as well (and don't even get me started on the fake open sourcing of Darwin by Apple) |
| 05:29.11 | peterS | sid: paid full time for debian work? I don't think any are |
| 05:29.24 | JeffH | sid: Quicken (I know there are several apps that try to do what Quicken does.. but until they can do direct connect they just don't measure up) and and a application to parse/store/view my online poker hand histories. |
| 05:29.28 | sid | peterS: no, paid fulltime for Ubuntu |
| 05:29.35 | sid | peterS: But they still are DD's with keys |
| 05:29.49 | peterS | sid: oh, paid full time for ubuntu, I dunno, I guess most canonical employees are paid full time for ubuntu. what that has to do with debian I don't quite get though |
| 05:29.52 | JeffH | That doesn't even include the lack of a Linux client for PokerStars. |
| 05:30.00 | sid | JeffH: Why not use gnucash? |
| 05:30.01 | zaher | rhys: yeah by editting '/etc/apt/preferences' file |
| 05:30.08 | peterS | sid: except that, as one person put it, "working all day on ubuntu packaging, then coming home at night to do debian packaging, just isn't as much fun" |
| 05:30.09 | rellim | peterS: the debian community shouldn't put in unpaid work for ubuntu, work on debian ... thats the point, let the child distros do their thing while debian continues to do its own |
| 05:30.22 | sid | JeffH: And the online poker histories...you're going to have to program that yourself. |
| 05:30.30 | JeffH | sid: no direct connect.. There's just no comparison. |
| 05:30.41 | concept10 | I really dont care for what I call distro-rhetoric. I think the focus should be competing with Mac OS X. Apple has less developers than the linux community. Why can't these guys get together and release a desktop as nice as OS X? |
| 05:30.55 | rellim | JeffH: direct connect? ... please elaborate |
| 05:30.56 | peterS | concept10: lead the way, bro |
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| 05:30.58 | JeffH | sid: and that would be why I'm still running Windows XP for my desktop. All my servers are Linux based. |
| 05:31.31 | peterS | concept10: please identify the 5 projects that need to move forward fastest in order to, in your view, compete with OS X. then pick one and show what needs to be done to it to make it suitable. and begin doing this. |
| 05:31.31 | JeffH | rellim: the program 'talks' directly with my bank to transmit transactions and bill payment information back and forth. |
| 05:32.03 | rellim | JeffH: send me a link the programs homepage, i'm sure there is a linux alternative |
| 05:32.21 | concept10 | peterS, sounds like a good idea |
| 05:32.40 | peterS | concept10: it does. let us know in a couple of weeks how it's going |
| 05:32.40 | JeffH | rellim: there is 'web connect' but that is a one-way connection that is initiated from the bank's website.. and you can't use it to enter bill pay transactions. |
| 05:32.50 | JeffH | rellim: www.pokertracker.com |
| 05:33.17 | concept10 | peterS, I think its a matter of focus, time and energy |
| 05:33.21 | rellim | JeffH: what does that have to do with banking? |
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| 05:33.31 | sid | petemc: Free software flash(gnash) is a huge project; And java becoming free software is huge also. |
| 05:33.37 | sid | peterS* |
| 05:33.42 | JeffH | rellim: ooh.. thought you were talking about the poker program.. the other program is quicken. |
| 05:33.47 | sid | I believe those are two great milestones that will happen within a year. |
| 05:33.49 | MickMcMack | Java's always been free(ish). |
| 05:33.56 | peterS | sid: don't worry, I'm pretty practiced at spotting petemc highlights. people do them all the time |
| 05:34.00 | rellim | JeffH: oh yeah, there is a quicken alternative |
| 05:34.21 | sid | rellim: gnucash? |
| 05:34.22 | peterS | sid: in fact, sometimes when he's on channel and people are talking to him, I get confused because I think they're talking to me |
| 05:34.38 | concept10 | peterS, mark shuttleworth said it himself that he has to provide the focus on what his developers are working on or they will waste time on code thats not important to the goal |
| 05:34.44 | JeffH | rellim: I'm aware there are alternatives.. but all pale by comparison without the ability to handle 'direct connect' with my bank. |
| 05:34.45 | cafuego | concept10: They can't release a desktop as nice as OS X because they aren't being paid to do what a single CEO tells them to. |
| 05:35.14 | concept10 | cafuego, novell is getting close |
| 05:35.28 | rellim | JeffH: www.gnucash.org |
| 05:35.28 | cafuego | concept10: A lot of them have day jobs and may or may not agree with eachother about what constitutes a good desktop |
| 05:35.43 | peterS | rellim: he. knows. about. gnucash. shut up about gnucash already |
| 05:35.43 | concept10 | cafuego, yeah, I agree |
| 05:35.47 | JeffH | rellim: I'm well aware of gnucash.. it doesn't support Direct Connect. |
| 05:35.48 | cafuego | concept10: Novell -> paid to do what a single CEO tells them to |
| 05:36.04 | rellim | JeffH: guess i am not familiar with that feature |
| 05:36.13 | peterS | rellim: he just described it 2 minutes ago |
| 05:36.17 | JeffH | rellim: do you use Quicken or Money? |
| 05:36.22 | rellim | rellim: i don't |
| 05:36.28 | concept10 | cafuego, affirmative, plus they have a shitload of gnome guys |
| 05:36.41 | cafuego | kaboutertjes... |
| 05:36.48 | rellim | rellim: i am a college student, too broke to need to balance the check book |
| 05:36.52 | rellim | bleh |
| 05:37.03 | rellim | JeffH: i am a college student, too broke to need to balance the check book |
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| 05:37.19 | concept10 | what is direct connect? |
| 05:37.20 | rellim | i need to stop looking at the screen when i type ... i do stupid shit like that |
| 05:37.27 | rellim | i <3 concept10 |
| 05:38.05 | JeffH | concept: its a 'feature' of quicken and money that allow them to communicate interactively with my bank's server. |
| 05:39.13 | concept10 | bah. they should use some open format for that |
| 05:39.46 | concept10 | I used to use microsoft money when i had a lot, but now that im broke i can use my fingers :) |
| 05:39.54 | JeffH | OFX is an open format.. www.ofx.org |
| 05:40.00 | concept10 | oh |
| 05:40.43 | rellim | concept10: i can use my finger too ... get money, pay tuition ... count bank balance on fingers :/ |
| 05:41.13 | rellim | concept10: i just finally a month ago saved up enough money to upgrade away from my old pentium3 box |
| 05:42.14 | concept10 | I was smart once, went and paid for Money, listed all of my debts, paid them all off while saving 20% of my income, saved up about $30K that way (which is gone now) |
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| 05:43.33 | rellim | concept10: i could finish my college education and start a life with $30k |
| 05:45.11 | concept10 | rellim, you need friends in IT. i have a friend that gives me old boxes every now and then. a couple of months ago he gave me a p3 933, dual p3 500, and a athlon 1800 all in server racks |
| 05:45.20 | gejo_deb | in my debian apache server i am not able to upload files bigger than 34 MB file size |
| 05:45.34 | gejo_deb | did you kmow any limitations i am using php4 |
| 05:46.46 | concept10 | rellim, that reminds me, i sold a box to a woman a couple weeks ago and she never paid or even called me back |
| 05:46.49 | rellim | concept10: yeah, i definitely need friend like that, but i just built a nice amd64 machine with a gig of ram for about $500 ... took me some time to save, but it was worth it |
| 05:46.58 | rellim | concept10: lmfao |
| 05:47.46 | concept10 | rellim, and she called me a 2AM asking about virus related crap, ask if I would come over |
| 05:48.23 | concept10 | rellim, im pissed, i want my money |
| 05:48.37 | rellim | concept10: amen and let her know that you don't run a tech support service |
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| 05:49.07 | izzyb | how do you find out where apt-get installs something? |
| 05:49.24 | izzyb | I'm looking for a library, so whereis doesn't help me :( |
| 05:49.26 | sid | izzyb: dpkg -L packagename |
| 05:49.36 | izzyb | thanks ;) |
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| 05:50.18 | concept10 | rellim, i need another box so I could run XGL fulltime, its fine now, but kind of choppy sometimes |
| 05:50.53 | rellim | concept10: i won't touch xgl just yet accept from Novell and i don't want to bother with a rpm based distro on my home machine, so i just wont |
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| 05:51.38 | concept10 | rellim, i have it running on unstable and dapper |
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| 05:52.59 | rellim | concept10: really? ... and how is it for daily use? |
| 05:53.53 | concept10 | rellim, its nice .. only a 5-20% cpu with normal use |
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| 05:54.50 | peterS | keithp says xgl is probably a dead end |
| 05:55.09 | rellim | concept10: thats not too bad i guess ... i just like things to be stable and fast ... so i think i will wait on xgl for a little while |
| 05:55.28 | sep | concept10, and what productivity gains do you get from it ? can you do your work faster? more efficiant ? what's the gain ? |
| 05:55.40 | peterS | and he ought to know ... so I don't think I'll ever try to switch to it |
| 05:56.21 | concept10 | sep, a productivity gain? how about I just like nice shit. |
| 05:56.32 | sid | peterS: Who is keithp? |
| 05:56.44 | rellim | xgl is just pretty from what i have read .... and i don't really need it to be pretty, i just want it to work and be quick in doing so |
| 05:56.52 | peterS | sid: Keith Packard has been involved in XFree86 and X.org development for a _very_ long time, let's just say |
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| 05:57.14 | stew | peterS: a dead end becuase aigx will become real sooner? |
| 05:57.19 | peterS | sid: he's also a debian developer, but that's not how everyone's heard of him |
| 05:57.27 | stew | peterS: do you even run x? :P |
| 05:57.30 | concept10 | im already as effiecient as im going to be, xgl doesnt change that. I use all keyboard shortcuts, I hardly every touch the mouse |
| 05:57.32 | peterS | stew: a dead end because aiglx will just work better |
| 05:57.38 | sid | peterS: Do you know why he thinks XGL is a dead end? |
| 05:57.54 | sid | peterS: hmm, I wonder why gravity does xorg |
| 05:57.56 | peterS | sid: yes. the architecture is flawed in ways that weren't obvious when it was first conceived |
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| 05:58.17 | peterS | sid: gravity has been a developer much longer than keithp has. beyond that, keithp has much better things to spend all that time on |
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| 05:59.33 | peterS | sid: xgl has as its premise that it's a good idea to run an X server on top of an OpenGL API. this turns out to be a lot more awkward than people assumed. aiglx turns it back around and runs the X server the same way we do now, except that individual hardware drivers are allowed to use the OpenGL API in places where their 3D support does what they want |
| 06:00.14 | rellim | i'm outta here, as always ... it has been a pleasure, later everyone! |
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| 06:06.57 | row | putting a - infront of a module in /etc/modules will stop it loading at boot right? |
| 06:07.53 | peterS | row: it will attempt to load a module name which does not exist, so I guess that would be effective |
| 06:07.59 | jmstacey | Anyone know what encryption method the passwd files in /etc/virtual/exampledomain.com/ is used? |
| 06:08.02 | sep | row, it can still bwe loaded by udev,,hotplug, discover |
| 06:08.18 | jmstacey | This is exim related, but that channel is currently asleep so thought I'd try here |
| 06:08.22 | sep | row, but it will not load from the /etc/modules list |
| 06:10.27 | maxy | pretty fresh testing netinstall: I get "Undefined color: "black"" in both xterm and emacs; most applications work, but xterm displays nothing and emacs doesn't start. |
| 06:10.31 | maxy | any ideas? |
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| 06:19.30 | plasmoduck | hey, how do I write a folder to a 3 1/4" floppy |
| 06:19.56 | karsten | plasmoduck: man mount; man cp |
| 06:19.57 | Supaplex | with very fine ink |
| 06:20.08 | plasmoduck | I know how to mount and copu |
| 06:20.09 | karsten | Supaplex: I thought you needed to use a floppy pencil. |
| 06:20.13 | Supaplex | oh a directory. that's different. :) |
| 06:20.30 | plasmoduck | just, what device is the floppy drive? |
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| 06:20.38 | plasmoduck | . /dev/fd0 ? |
| 06:20.39 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:20.41 | karsten | plasmoduck: Usually /dev/fd0. |
| 06:20.49 | sid | What is a folder? |
| 06:20.51 | Supaplex | er /dev/... yea. :) |
| 06:20.57 | karsten | plasmoduck: ... unless it's a USB floppy in which case it's often /dev/sd[a-g] |
| 06:21.07 | karsten | sid: A person who folds? |
| 06:21.21 | sid | Are they asian? |
| 06:21.26 | karsten | sid: No. |
| 06:21.33 | karsten | sid: That would be a forder. |
| 06:22.00 | plasmoduck | sweet |
| 06:22.01 | plasmoduck | got it |
| 06:22.30 | RvGaTe | omg, i have never been this early at work :S |
| 06:22.34 | plasmoduck | this box im doing it on is sooo slow |
| 06:22.35 | karsten | maxy: check if you've got your rgb definitions around. |
| 06:22.37 | plasmoduck | p166 |
| 06:22.38 | plasmoduck | :S |
| 06:22.43 | ttyfscker | what packages do i need for configuring/compiling the kernel in "etch"? |
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| 06:22.50 | karsten | !build kernel |
| 06:22.56 | karsten | Feh. |
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| 06:23.39 | karsten | !tell ttyfscker about compiling a kernel. |
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| 06:27.00 | plasmoduck | $ sudo umount /mnt/floppy |
| 06:27.00 | plasmoduck | umount: /mnt/floppy: device is busy |
| 06:27.02 | plasmoduck | hmmmm |
| 06:27.08 | plasmoduck | oh |
| 06:27.10 | unix_infidel | lsof |
| 06:27.13 | plasmoduck | Im an idiot |
| 06:27.16 | plasmoduck | I was still in the dir |
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| 06:27.31 | maxy | karsten: where should they be? |
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| 06:28.58 | zaher | is it possible 2 get openGL acceleration via xorg in an ati 9550? |
| 06:29.25 | netcrusher88 | how can i get s/key working under Debian unstable? |
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| 06:31.52 | cheyn_ | how to compress a file to .tar.gz format? |
| 06:32.06 | unix_infidel | man tar |
| 06:32.17 | simonrvn | !tar |
| 06:32.18 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 06:32.51 | cheyn_ | thks |
| 06:32.59 | unix_infidel | well isnt that nifty. |
| 06:33.34 | cheyn_ | it sure is. |
| 06:34.23 | cheyn_ | unix_infidel: is it possible to compress a single file rather than a dir? |
| 06:34.42 | unix_infidel | cheyn_: sure. |
| 06:34.53 | dondelelcaro | cheyn_: if you just want to compress a single file, use gzip |
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| 06:35.22 | unix_infidel | cheyn_: but if its a compressed format like mp3 or ogg its not really worth it. |
| 06:35.28 | cheyn_ | dondelelcaro: full command, pls? |
| 06:35.33 | dondelelcaro | cheyn_: gzip foofile; |
| 06:35.42 | dondelelcaro | cheyn_: man gzip; for details. |
| 06:36.15 | cheyn_ | dondelelcaro: gzip will produce .gz file? |
| 06:36.27 | dondelelcaro | cheyn_: yes... |
| 06:36.38 | Supaplex | cheyn_: try it and see. :) |
| 06:36.45 | cheyn_ | yeh, thks. |
| 06:37.07 | maxy | karsten: ah nevermind I got it. |
| 06:37.10 | Supaplex | bzip2 is an alternative to, depending on the needs |
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| 06:37.19 | row | ah so how do I stop a module not loading |
| 06:37.27 | Supaplex | !blacklist |
| 06:37.28 | dpkg | methinks blacklist is Sarge installs the Hotplug and Discover packages to help with hardware module loading - which can often load undesirable modules. Add 'skip foo' to /etc/discover.conf and 'foo' to /etc/hotplug/blacklist to prevent them from loading. Don't forget to remove it from /etc/modules (if present). in etch and sid, modules should be blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist |
| 06:37.42 | row | my parport is busted and I am sick of it flooding it with errors, and filtering it out would be silly |
| 06:37.54 | row | ah cool |
| 06:37.58 | row | ta |
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| 06:48.27 | tralala | What would you usefor a laptop that connects to (non dhcp) different networks to specify the nameservers? Netenv? Something else? |
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| 06:52.27 | omry | hi, I upgraded courier mail (debian etch), and now I can't login to imap. I am using the mysql authentication but it does not seem to them connect the database, any idea? |
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| 06:53.55 | cafuego | set debug to on, check its logs |
| 06:54.40 | omry | can you be more specific? (I am using authmysql) |
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| 06:55.24 | qwertz | Hallo, kennt jemand von euch einen Hardware WLAN-Router der nativ VPN-Verbindungen unterstützt - suche für den Hausgebrauch meines Chefs, meine Empfehlung einfach sich auch eine Lancom zu holen war ihm etwas zu teuer ;) |
| 06:55.57 | fireba11 | qwertz das ist ein englischer channel .. und nimm IPcop ;-) |
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| 06:58.50 | qwertz | sorry for german (missed the right tab) - fireball: danke für den Hinweis |
| 06:59.57 | jarango | What GBit ethernet PCI adapter should I buy best compatibility/estability with Linux ? |
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| 07:00.42 | stoned | I FIXED MY FONTS! |
| 07:00.53 | stoned | don't ask me how I did it, I just did it |
| 07:00.56 | wols | and broke your capslock in the process |
| 07:00.59 | wols | bad swap |
| 07:01.06 | stoned | wols, sarcasm is lost on me |
| 07:01.32 | omry | lol |
| 07:01.33 | stoned | obviously I did not break my damn caps lock, why do you people have to throw in uncalled for smartass comments |
| 07:01.38 | jarango | What GBit ethernet PCI adapter should I buy best compatibility/estability with Linux ? |
| 07:01.42 | stoned | jeez, grow up |
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| 07:02.20 | wols | none cause PCI and GBit never mix |
| 07:03.03 | omry | wols, ISA then? ;) |
| 07:03.08 | omry | than |
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| 07:03.21 | omry | grr |
| 07:03.23 | wols | if you can still find boards with ISA... not even industrial PCs have them anymore |
| 07:03.45 | slara | i have one right here |
| 07:03.45 | stoned | oh I forgot to install something, damn, another chat restart :/ |
| 07:03.50 | slara | :) |
| 07:03.52 | omry | I think I got a slot or two on my old 166mmx board. |
| 07:04.05 | wols | jarango: I would look at an older kernel see what gbit nics it has. |
| 07:04.14 | jarango | wols: so what bus do I need "? |
| 07:04.20 | wols | intel e1000 for example. quite old driver, every intel chipset mobo has one |
| 07:04.41 | wols | PCI-E or PCI-X. PCI is too slow |
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| 07:05.15 | wols | PCI-E is the cheaper of the two btw |
| 07:05.23 | stoned | there we go. I am not going to sell my machines and move to the mountains anymore to live like a farmer. I fixed my fonts! |
| 07:05.46 | simonrvn | stoned: don't worry you're not the only one wols has said useless comments to ;) |
| 07:05.56 | wols | farmers can grow corn, and inside the cornfield hemp... |
| 07:06.19 | stoned | simonrvn, not worried at all, uselessness is different from being a smartass to people you don't nevermind.. im not even gonna say nothing anymore, fuck it |
| 07:06.26 | omry | anyone knows how to activate verbose logging in courier mail? |
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| 07:06.36 | simonrvn | stoned: :) |
| 07:06.39 | faber3 | morning, good |
| 07:06.52 | omry | so much, not. |
| 07:07.00 | omry | speak like a jedi, you are. |
| 07:07.10 | stoned | only yoda spoke like that |
| 07:07.25 | simonrvn | more like speak like yoda |
| 07:07.26 | stoned | actually, he sounds more like Frankensteins monster |
| 07:07.29 | simonrvn | yeh :) |
| 07:07.32 | simonrvn | hehe |
| 07:07.37 | stoned | Morning, Good. Night, bad! |
| 07:07.43 | omry | lol |
| 07:08.05 | simonrvn | night, bad! villagers hurt me |
| 07:08.16 | simonrvn | tan'si |
| 07:08.18 | ktwilight | is it possible to fix mpeg headers? |
| 07:08.20 | stoned | MS, bad. Debian, good! |
| 07:08.31 | simonrvn | mrwah! |
| 07:08.41 | stoned | ktwilight, maybe with kino, if you are good at video editing, not sure though |
| 07:09.00 | ktwilight | am not good at all, just wanna fix stuff that i have. |
| 07:09.12 | faber3 | whats an alternative to pastebin |
| 07:09.12 | stoned | pr0n eh? |
| 07:09.25 | ktwilight | ... |
| 07:09.38 | simonrvn | !paster |
| 07:09.39 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 07:10.09 | simonrvn | there's also sial.perl.org or something like that, lisppaste.org and a few others ... |
| 07:11.02 | kristalino | is #distrowar channel closed ? |
| 07:11.06 | wols | ktwilight: what headers. isn't mpeg totally streamable? |
| 07:11.13 | ktwilight | Ooooo now i can use my ps2 with dv :) |
| 07:11.52 | ktwilight | i dunno wols, it's just corrupted |
| 07:12.13 | ktwilight | google tells me there is a "mpeg header corrector" |
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| 07:13.03 | faber3 | i am a first time raid user and get these errors in my dmesg: http://pastebin.ca/81209, can somebody say what is going on? |
| 07:14.57 | TARZEAU | apt popcon |
| 07:15.00 | apt | popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 07:15.00 | sussudio | faber3: cable issues? |
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| 07:15.55 | faber3 | sussudio: possible |
| 07:16.07 | sussudio | faber3: http://www.google.nl/search?hl=en&q=abnormal+status+0xD0+on+port&btnG=Search |
| 07:17.13 | faber3 | sussudio: i don t have DMA problems, though |
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| 07:17.18 | faber3 | sussudio: it says "sense error" |
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| 07:18.20 | row | hmm |
| 07:18.24 | faber3 | ah no it says "Additional sense: Scsi parity error" |
| 07:19.00 | faber3 | is there a way to check if the hard disk is broken or if it is a kernel problem? |
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| 07:20.24 | sybec | Where do I get ISOs for an "unstable" install from? |
| 07:20.24 | sussudio | faber3: does sata even have parity settings? |
| 07:20.49 | faber3 | ata2: command 0x35 timeout, stat 0xd0 host_stat 0x41 |
| 07:20.49 | faber3 | ata2: translated ATA stat/err 0xd0/00 to SCSI SK/ASC/ASCQ 0xb/47/00 |
| 07:20.49 | faber3 | ata2: status=0xd0 { Busy } |
| 07:21.15 | sussudio | google is your friend |
| 07:21.25 | faber3 | no its not |
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| 07:23.24 | faber3 | when i try an fdisk /dev/sdb: dmesg -> ATA: abnormal status 0xD0 on port 0x6897 |
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| 07:23.45 | stoned | !marillat |
| 07:23.45 | dpkg | i guess marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
| 07:24.10 | mortalman | !torrent |
| 07:25.00 | GecKo | Hrm - I run dnsmasq |
| 07:25.08 | GecKo | Can I like, make all requests for smtp.* |
| 07:25.18 | GecKo | resolve to another smtp server? |
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| 07:27.05 | faber3 | sd 1:0:1:0: SCSI error: return code = 0x8000002 |
| 07:27.05 | faber3 | sdb: Current: sense key: Aborted Command |
| 07:27.05 | faber3 | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:27.05 | faber3 | end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 63 |
| 07:27.05 | faber3 | Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 0 |
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| 07:28.12 | faber3 | is my drive broken, or is it a hardware problem? : end_request: I/O error, dev sdb, sector 63 Buffer I/O error on device sdb1, logical block 0 |
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| 07:29.45 | omry | anyone knows his way around courier imap? I can't authenticate after an upgrade (etch). |
| 07:29.51 | fireba11 | what's an elegant way to find out what is eating up a lot of ram ? |
| 07:30.12 | faber3 | htop |
| 07:31.06 | omry | faber3, sounds like an hardware problem. |
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| 07:31.25 | omry | faber3, did it ever work properly? |
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| 07:31.55 | fireba11 | faber3 the problem is top only shows mem % while i'm on a virtual box with a LOAD of system ram but not all is accessible for me .. so totals would be more usefull |
| 07:32.22 | cafuego | fireba11: Top shows whatever fields you tell you you want to see. Hit '?'. |
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| 07:32.39 | dazjorz | foobar. |
| 07:32.44 | dazjorz | I mean, Hi! |
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| 07:33.12 | omry | htop is really nice :) |
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| 07:35.31 | dazjorz | >:(* |
| 07:36.40 | jarango | Which one of these GBit cards should I buy for Linux: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=2000400027+1128109683+1162810711&Subcategory=27&description=&srchInDesc=&minPrice=&maxPrice= |
| 07:37.45 | fireba11 | faber3: that vserver got only 256 MB minimum ram .. so i need to be carefull about memory usage :-) |
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| 07:40.36 | cheyn | which is the preferred way to install nvu on debian? source or .deb? |
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| 07:41.24 | RAMATTACK | hi everybody |
| 07:41.39 | RAMATTACK | does anybody make a soft raid 0 over debian installer? |
| 07:42.35 | cheyn | nobody uses nvu here? |
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| 07:43.13 | RAMATTACK | I have made it and works perfectly but when I shutdown the machine sais that md0 volume is to busy and it will be remount in read only mode... is this normal after it has finished stopping all services and everything? |
| 07:44.15 | cydork | cheyn: i think that nvu is available in unstable. |
| 07:44.42 | cheyn | cydork: i can check on that. do u use it? |
| 07:45.02 | cydork | cheyn: nope :) |
| 07:45.14 | cheyn | ok, thks. |
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| 07:46.16 | thevic | why is it necessary to declare INPUT_STRING as hello in this? http://steve-parker.org/sh/eg/while.sh.txt |
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| 07:47.56 | faber3 | omry: i put the hard disk in a different tray and now it works |
| 07:48.18 | RAMATTACK | does anybody know my raid0 issue? |
| 07:48.24 | omry | faber3, so it can be your controller or the driver. |
| 07:48.40 | omry | faber3, better run a serious block level test on that disk to be sure. |
| 07:48.41 | faber3 | question about temp: "mbmon" tells me temperature 126.0 126.0 126.0 , is this within parameters ? |
| 07:49.05 | omry | faber3, badblocks comes into mind, but read the docs carefuly before you do it. |
| 07:49.21 | faber3 | omry: well its obvious... in the different slot the problem is not any more.. plus it already hat problems in the "logical block 0" |
| 07:49.39 | faber3 | omry: i think modern devices to that by themselves |
| 07:50.01 | omry | faber3, better safe than sorry. |
| 07:50.19 | faber3 | omry: its raid1, so i am not worried that much |
| 07:50.35 | faber3 | i am more worried about the temperature readings |
| 07:51.18 | omry | if its a defective disk, it may be working very hard to read, even if manages to read eventually. |
| 07:53.01 | omry | after a dist upgrade (etch) ,I can't access my imap account in courier mail, there is nothing in the syslog except "authnetication failed", and the database log does now show anyting even trying anything when I login. any idea how to trace the problem? |
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| 07:54.45 | wols_ | still too hot. anything below 40°C is good anything above bad, as a rule of thumb |
| 07:55.13 | wols_ | faber3: too hot imho. a drive must be 40°C or less |
| 07:59.17 | dazjorz | I can't wait for my new laptop :( |
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| 08:00.37 | blondie | dazjorz: awwww |
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| 08:04.32 | dazjorz | ahhh! |
| 08:04.36 | dazjorz | a lollipop ! =D |
| 08:04.49 | dazjorz | blondie++ |
| 08:05.22 | sussudio | !doe dazjorz |
| 08:05.35 | dazjorz | the fuck? |
| 08:05.40 | dazjorz | since when is dpkg talking dutch? |
| 08:05.53 | sussudio | !tell dazjorz about haasje |
| 08:06.30 | dazjorz | dpkg talk english |
| 08:06.36 | dazjorz | >_< |
| 08:06.49 | dazjorz | !talk english |
| 08:06.53 | dazjorz | !doe sussudio |
| 08:06.57 | dazjorz | eww |
| 08:06.58 | dazjorz | !doe sussudio |
| 08:07.07 | dazjorz | "someone already said that 5 seconds ago" |
| 08:07.08 | dazjorz | crapfuck |
| 08:07.10 | dazjorz | !doe sussudio |
| 08:07.23 | dazjorz | !join #perl |
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| 08:09.02 | faber3 | after upgrading to 2.6.16 my "openvpn --mktun --dev tap0" gives this error: "Note: Cannot ioctl TUNSETIFF tap0: Device or resource busy (errno=16)". any ideas? |
| 08:10.14 | lavi | Hi , :) what the man package containss the function pthread_create docs ? |
| 08:11.00 | Eclipser | anyone know if ogre package is going to get updated (to 1.2 whcih was released over a month ago) any time soon on sid? :) |
| 08:13.50 | dazjorz | ouch |
| 08:13.56 | dazjorz | #debian is odd |
| 08:13.59 | dazjorz | three questions, no answers |
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| 08:14.08 | dazjorz | well i'll bbl |
| 08:14.09 | dazjorz | cya |
| 08:14.11 | lavi | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:18.12 | foo | Why does uptime report a load average with 3 different values? Hm. What do they all mean? |
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| 08:18.27 | neznam | hi all need help pls |
| 08:18.55 | neznam | i need qt |
| 08:19.08 | Coweater | foo: man uptime |
| 08:19.15 | foo | Coweater: ah, good idea. |
| 08:19.31 | foo | ahhh |
| 08:19.32 | foo | ok |
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| 08:20.34 | neznam | any help pls |
| 08:20.35 | Readon | how to reconfig xserver packages? i installed debian but the video setting seems failed, how to reconfig that? |
| 08:22.13 | Coweater | !drxx |
| 08:22.13 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, drxx is dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org]. Run it as root, and ask about xmd5 if you changed the configuration files yourself. |
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| 08:23.29 | Coweater | neznam: install it, should be some variant of libqt* |
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| 08:24.06 | neznam | CONFIGURE ERROR: |
| 08:24.06 | neznam | ### Can not find the qt .. header files. |
| 08:24.26 | Coweater | oh, you want the -dev package |
| 08:24.42 | neznam | yes pls |
| 08:24.59 | neznam | i need for confi |
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| 08:25.34 | r3vld | how do i install a kernel ? |
| 08:25.38 | r3vld | is there like a manual ? |
| 08:25.44 | deadcat | r3vld: apt-get install |
| 08:25.59 | Hoxzer | :P |
| 08:26.01 | r3vld | this is for fedora i just want like a manual etc |
| 08:26.09 | deadcat | r3vld: no clue |
| 08:26.13 | r3vld | to compile and install any kernel |
| 08:26.15 | deadcat | r3vld: maybe rpm -i? |
| 08:26.28 | deadcat | r3vld: make |
| 08:26.47 | Hoxzer | yum install kernel :P |
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| 08:26.53 | r3vld | i did |
| 08:27.07 | Hoxzer | so isn't it installed? |
| 08:27.07 | deadcat | r3vld: try #fedora |
| 08:27.10 | r3vld | Parsing package install arguments |
| 08:27.10 | r3vld | No Match for argument: kernel |
| 08:27.10 | r3vld | Nothing to do |
| 08:27.15 | Hoxzer | do you wanna do custom kernel or something? |
| 08:27.24 | r3vld | no just install |
| 08:27.27 | r3vld | a new kernel |
| 08:27.32 | neznam | Coweater need command for qt |
| 08:27.32 | deadcat | r3vld: try #fedora |
| 08:27.37 | Hoxzer | yum install should work then :| |
| 08:27.47 | neznam | pls |
| 08:27.58 | r3vld | yum groupinstall kernel ? |
| 08:28.13 | deadcat | r3vld: we dont know |
| 08:28.18 | r3vld | k |
| 08:28.35 | wols_ | neznam: apt-cache seatch qt3-de |
| 08:28.38 | wols_ | neznam: apt-cache seatch qt3-dev |
| 08:28.41 | r3vld | is there like a manual site just to install the kernel ? |
| 08:28.48 | r3vld | like for linux |
| 08:28.48 | Coweater | neznam: there's at least 3 different qt development packages i know of, i don't know which version you need, apt-cache search libqt dev |
| 08:28.50 | deadcat | r3vld: try do a search |
| 08:28.56 | r3vld | i went to google |
| 08:28.59 | wols_ | r3vld: it's installed like any other package normally. like any other rpm |
| 08:29.06 | neznam | ty |
| 08:29.10 | r3vld | theres an rpm |
| 08:29.19 | r3vld | if i install the rpm dont i have to go to |
| 08:29.27 | r3vld | change anything |
| 08:29.34 | r3vld | or just install rpm and reboot ? |
| 08:30.02 | wols_ | check your bootloader config file if it's used on bootup |
| 08:30.07 | wols_ | if not, add it |
| 08:30.29 | azeem | r3vld: why do you ask in #debian? |
| 08:30.43 | r3vld | its because this is colocated box |
| 08:30.58 | wols_ | that's a chewbacca defense r3vld |
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| 08:41.33 | freeone3000 | What's the best way to get someone else to do something for me that I have no clue how to do myself? |
| 08:41.41 | freeone3000 | Oh. Idea... |
| 08:41.46 | freeone3000 | Nevermind. |
| 08:42.06 | petemc | pay them |
| 08:42.19 | blondie | lol |
| 08:42.35 | row | what can I use to open emf files in deb? |
| 08:42.41 | row | vector graphics |
| 08:42.45 | blondie | umm |
| 08:42.52 | cydork | freeone3000: blackmail might work! |
| 08:42.57 | freeone3000 | GIMP? |
| 08:43.01 | row | nah tried it |
| 08:43.03 | blondie | inkscape? |
| 08:43.04 | row | would not load |
| 08:43.28 | freeone3000 | Alrighty. Does anyone have a more specific guide on how exactly to have a specific image as my bootsplash screen? |
| 08:43.42 | freeone3000 | My last response was "patch and recompile the kernel". |
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| 08:44.04 | blondie | don't reboot is my response :) |
| 08:44.13 | row | lol |
| 08:44.21 | petemc | freeone3000: have you googled for a bootsplash how to ? |
| 08:44.25 | blondie | row: you could try imagemagick "convert" to change it to another format |
| 08:44.29 | row | splash screen seems silly imo, I would rather see whats going on at boot |
| 08:44.39 | blondie | indeed |
| 08:44.47 | Hoxzer | We're just monkeys btw |
| 08:44.51 | petemc | different strokes for different folks |
| 08:44.56 | freeone3000 | petemc: I've looked at their site... Duh. Sorry, I'm stupid tonight. |
| 08:45.15 | blondie | Hoxzer: speak for yourself |
| 08:45.28 | Hoxzer | :P haven't you seen that video |
| 08:45.40 | freeone3000 | row: It doesn't have to be a SILENT splash screen. |
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| 08:48.26 | faber3 | after mdadm --re-add /dev/sdb1, everything builds fine, and after reboot that disk is again in the state "removed". what is wrong ? |
| 08:48.49 | freeone3000 | !kenrel |
| 08:49.10 | freeone3000 | What's the keyword for kernel compilation instructions? |
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| 08:50.24 | Hoxzer | blondie: http://www.dumpalink.com/media/1151836295/What_We_Are :( it explains the secret of the universe |
| 08:51.02 | freeone3000 | I assume I'd just install the kernel tree packages and allow my gentooishness to guide me from there. |
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| 08:52.13 | simonrvn | frankie: kp |
| 08:52.26 | Hoxzer | Irc is fun |
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| 08:52.34 | TinoW | hello |
| 08:52.42 | simonrvn | frankie: woops. freeone3000 /msg dpkg kp |
| 08:53.38 | freeone3000 | Thanks. |
| 08:54.06 | TARZEAU | has someone built gcc from source (4+)? |
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| 08:54.29 | freeone3000 | ...Er. Gentoo users. A lot of gentoo users. I feel sorry for them... |
| 08:54.34 | litage | i received an email from the DSA mailing list saying a new openoffice package has been released: "For the unstable distribution (sid) this problem has been fixed in version 2.0.3-1." however, ``apt-get [dist-]upgrade'' doesn't list it, and ``apt-cache show openoffice.org'' lists version 2.0.1-5 |
| 08:54.42 | TARZEAU | i use ./configure --enable-languages=c,c++, but i only get g++ no gcc.. tried with gcc 4.0.3, 4.1.1 and 4.2-latest using gcc 3.3.5 and 3.4.4 |
| 08:54.53 | |SkyBlue| | can you chroot unreal? |
| 08:55.11 | freeone3000 | May I suggest the alternative of installing g++ through the debian package system? |
| 08:57.26 | cydork | TARZEAU: i have a stupid question but why do you want to do that? |
| 08:58.35 | TARZEAU | cydork: we need gcc 4 on sarge |
| 08:58.46 | TARZEAU | freeone3000: are you asking me? |
| 08:58.55 | TARZEAU | freeone3000: will you make me a backport of it? |
| 08:59.38 | freeone3000 | packages.debian.org |
| 08:59.48 | freeone3000 | I don't think your system will bork TOO much from installing the sid version |
| 09:00.04 | freeone3000 | Cept that's 4.1. Etch may have 4.0 |
| 09:00.33 | wols_ | TARZEAU: how about using the deb source from sid to start with? |
| 09:00.34 | tralala | What would you use for a laptop that connects to different (non dhcp) networks to specify the appripriate nameserver for each network? Netenv? Something else? |
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| 09:00.49 | azeem | freeone3000: they depend on newer glibc and binutils AFAIK |
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| 09:01.00 | TARZEAU | wols_: i tried, impossible to backport that one |
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| 09:01.08 | TARZEAU | wols_: that's why i take the source packages from upstream |
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| 09:01.18 | TARZEAU | freeone3000: look i need it on sarge. nothing else |
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| 09:01.31 | wols_ | what is preventing it? what makes your think upstream can when debian itself can't? |
| 09:01.34 | simonrvn | freeone3000: yes it will. check the deps. without looking at them i bet it wants at least an etch libc6 |
| 09:01.35 | TARZEAU | and i only need C and C++ |
| 09:01.54 | freeone3000 | simonrvn: Well crap. |
| 09:01.54 | TARZEAU | wols_: i can do for C++ (g++) but not for gcc |
| 09:02.04 | TARZEAU | wols_: the binary isn't built, but i don't get why |
| 09:02.22 | simonrvn | Depends: gcc-4.0-base (= 4.0.3-4), cpp-4.0 (= 4.0.3-4), binutils (>= 2.16.1cvs20051214), libgcc1 (>= 1:4.0.3-4), libc6 (>= 2.3.6-6) |
| 09:02.26 | simonrvn | yup |
| 09:02.28 | wols_ | no log? no make message? |
| 09:02.54 | simonrvn | that's for gcc-4.0 |
| 09:03.40 | TARZEAU | freeone3000: #gentoo is worse! |
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| 09:04.00 | TARZEAU | wols_: no errors/warnings. just no gcc binary |
| 09:04.03 | freeone3000 | TARZEAU: Well, everything there is from source. |
| 09:04.08 | TARZEAU | wols_: i can provide you all output if that helps? |
| 09:04.17 | TARZEAU | wols_: actually someone else in #gcc had the same problem trying to help me |
| 09:04.20 | azeem | TARZEAU: did you try make install? |
| 09:04.32 | TARZEAU | freeone3000: but they don't help people if they don't use emerge |
| 09:04.37 | TARZEAU | azeem: no, let me try that |
| 09:04.39 | wols_ | TARZEAU: http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2005-12/msg00005.html |
| 09:04.49 | freeone3000 | TARZEAU: But what's wrong with using emerge? |
| 09:04.49 | wols_ | 4.02 supposedly worked |
| 09:05.15 | TARZEAU | azeem: ankara:/usr/local/bin# ./gcc |
| 09:05.15 | TARZEAU | gcc: no input files |
| 09:05.30 | TARZEAU | hey wait. IT'S THERE |
| 09:05.35 | wols_ | lol |
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| 09:05.47 | TARZEAU | azeem: it gets renamed from something during the install YUCK |
| 09:05.55 | TARZEAU | azeem: you don't know by chance what it's original name is? |
| 09:06.02 | azeem | xgcc? |
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| 09:06.14 | azeem | dunno whether you bootstrapped or not etc. |
| 09:06.22 | TARZEAU | azeem: indeed! |
| 09:06.26 | azeem | gcc isn't your average ./configure && make && make install type program |
| 09:06.30 | TARZEAU | azeem: i tried with and without. what's the difference? |
| 09:06.36 | TARZEAU | azeem: yes i noticed that |
| 09:07.02 | azeem | TARZEAU: it matters if nobody ever had gcc running on the platform you're on, or at least if you don't have a prior gcc around |
| 09:07.18 | TARZEAU | azeem: ok thanks |
| 09:07.20 | freeone3000 | Lemme guess. After I build this kernel, I'm gunna have to reinstall my nvidia drivers. Again. |
| 09:07.33 | Hoxzer | what is freenone ? |
| 09:07.39 | Hoxzer | Brings something to my mind |
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| 09:08.03 | freeone3000 | I'm the guy always on here asking stupid questions and trying to get it to run everything that is not meant for man to know. |
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| 09:08.11 | korst3n | azeem, u rule lad! |
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| 09:08.43 | litage | is this a useful/useless entry in sources.list?: deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main contrib |
| 09:08.57 | wols_ | very useful |
| 09:08.59 | GecKo | I want my system to stop getting it's IP address from DHCP, I've changed the interfaces file, but it still seems to be.. Do I have to restart a daemon too? |
| 09:09.10 | RAMATTACK | hi everybody |
| 09:09.26 | freeone3000 | GecKo: I tried that. I ended up having to kill DHCP on the router. |
| 09:09.27 | RAMATTACK | I have a raid 0 sata disc set over a promise controller |
| 09:09.29 | GecKo | I see that dhclient is still running.... |
| 09:09.41 | RAMATTACK | that raid is softraid made with debian sarge installer |
| 09:09.41 | GecKo | freeone3000: Yeah - But then will it get ANY ip address? :S |
| 09:10.04 | litage | wols_: i thought there wasn't a security repository for testing/etch.. |
| 09:10.09 | RAMATTACK | I have another ide disc for swap and boot |
| 09:10.33 | freeone3000 | GecKo: You'll have to assign each computer one. Change 'auto' to static, and list your gateway in interfaces. |
| 09:10.33 | wols_ | litage: do you get a a file from that line or a 404? |
| 09:10.39 | freeone3000 | GecKo: Should I drag up my script? |
| 09:10.44 | GecKo | freeone3000: That's exactly what I have done |
| 09:10.47 | RAMATTACK | when I shutdown the machine and all services are stoped appears that md0 is too busy unmounting... and later says to busy to unmount and remounting read only mode |
| 09:10.50 | RAMATTACK | is this normal? |
| 09:10.55 | GecKo | freeone3000: |
| 09:10.56 | GecKo | #iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 09:10.56 | GecKo | iface eth0 inet static |
| 09:11.11 | wols_ | GecKo: you're missing a few lines |
| 09:11.15 | GecKo | oh |
| 09:11.17 | GecKo | there's heaps under that |
| 09:11.19 | GecKo | didn't wanna spam the channel |
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| 09:11.26 | litage | wols_: true, no 404 occurs |
| 09:11.32 | wols_ | you need to add IP, netmask, gateway |
| 09:11.35 | GecKo | address, netmask, broadcast and gateway are all set wols_ |
| 09:11.46 | wols_ | litage: testing got security updates some time ago |
| 09:11.55 | litage | wols_: should i also include the stable security repository, or just use the testing security repo? |
| 09:12.07 | wols_ | GecKo: so what's the prob? /etc/init.d/networking restart and you're done |
| 09:12.09 | GecKo | There was still a dhcp client running, i've just killed that |
| 09:12.13 | GecKo | wols_: k |
| 09:12.21 | GecKo | brb ;\ |
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| 09:14.17 | RAMATTACK | does anybody have my issue? |
| 09:14.30 | Paras | room, need some help regarding sudo. when i want to run applications i need to run like: sudo network-admin, here how to avoid the command sudo |
| 09:14.59 | wols_ | su - |
| 09:15.03 | wols_ | and enter the root password |
| 09:15.30 | wols_ | however, there is not debian "network-admin" program afaik |
| 09:15.30 | freeone3000 | Run as true root? |
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| 09:16.07 | Paras | wols_, that i know. without using su - |
| 09:16.11 | Paras | wols_, there is network-admin |
| 09:16.49 | Coweater | you could create an alias for it |
| 09:16.52 | wols_ | make the program suid root |
| 09:17.22 | freeone3000 | chown root program && chmod +1000 program |
| 09:17.31 | freeone3000 | That'll make it run as root. ping's like that. |
| 09:17.39 | Paras | wols_, i want to run it using sudo |
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| 09:18.22 | wols_ | yes, as I said suid root |
| 09:19.09 | nf1 | Hi, I got this error when try to compile vnc2swf: |
| 09:19.13 | nf1 | configure: error: installation or configuration problem: C++ compiler cannot create executables. |
| 09:19.26 | wols_ | install build-essential |
| 09:19.28 | freeone3000 | Alrighty, I have the kernel build stuff. |
| 09:19.30 | Coweater | Paras: alias network-admin to sudo network-admin with your shell |
| 09:19.51 | nf1 | i got GCC, GCC4.1, GCC4.1-base |
| 09:20.25 | wols_ | have you installed build-essential? |
| 09:20.37 | freeone3000 | Ah. patcihng. Mmkay. |
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| 09:21.40 | seabass | how was it you installed a .deb ? |
| 09:21.55 | Coweater | dpkg -i file.deb |
| 09:21.59 | seabass | aah thnx |
| 09:22.12 | Coweater | heh |
| 09:22.13 | nf1 | 10x wols_ that fixed it |
| 09:22.14 | freeone3000 | Is there a 2.6.17 bootsplash patch? |
| 09:22.27 | cam | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:22.44 | freeone3000 | cam: man dpkg |
| 09:22.49 | seabass | is it possible to change from stable packages to unstable? |
| 09:23.01 | seabass | without reinstalling heh |
| 09:23.06 | wols_ | yes. edit sources.list and dist-upgrade |
| 09:23.20 | wols_ | but I wouldn't go to sid if I were you. sid breaks. quite often |
| 09:23.20 | seabass | wols_: edit to what? |
| 09:23.21 | freeone3000 | cam: And it would be --dry-run |
| 09:23.29 | seabass | wols_: it does? |
| 09:23.31 | freeone3000 | wols_: Change 'sarge' to 'sid'. That's all you ahve to do. |
| 09:23.35 | seabass | i need a few packages |
| 09:23.37 | seabass | that are in unstable |
| 09:23.43 | wols_ | seabass: why do you think it's called "unstable"? |
| 09:23.43 | freeone3000 | wols_: Not THAT often. And it can be fixed by anyone halfway competent in <5 mins. |
| 09:23.50 | wols_ | seabass: look at backports.org |
| 09:24.04 | wols_ | freeone3000: have you ever had perl break? |
| 09:24.10 | freeone3000 | wols_: No, actually. |
| 09:24.18 | freeone3000 | wols_: When/If it does, I would just use Python. |
| 09:24.26 | seabass | i am looking for zabbix |
| 09:24.31 | seabass | if you know what that is |
| 09:24.32 | freeone3000 | Course, it would bring my os to a screeching halt. |
| 09:24.40 | wols_ | freeone3000: how, when you can't run apt or dpkg anymore? |
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| 09:24.49 | cam | freeone3000, ahh yeah I found it... need to man it 2 times;) it's --simulate or --dry-un indeed |
| 09:24.53 | cam | tx |
| 09:25.32 | freeone3000 | wols_: How would I use python without perl? |
| 09:25.53 | wols_ | python is irrelevant. you couldn't install anything anymore |
| 09:26.10 | freeone3000 | Well, all the breaks I've been through either had a major community discussion (Xorg 7) or are easily fixed... |
| 09:26.21 | RAMATTACK | ./qmail doqueue sends sigalrm to qmail-send |
| 09:27.05 | cam | Do you think guys I can install the vim_7.0-017+8_i386.deb pkg (unstable) under a testing version of debian ? (dpkg -i --simulate doesn't give any dependancies errors) |
| 09:27.06 | litage | while a package is being installed, where are its control scripts extracted to? |
| 09:27.20 | litage | cam: give it a shot |
| 09:27.28 | seabass | wols_: do you know what zabbix is ? |
| 09:27.36 | seabass | wols_: i am trying to fine a stable version of it |
| 09:27.43 | wols_ | seabass: no I don't |
| 09:27.47 | seabass | : |
| 09:27.57 | freeone3000 | liable: /tmp |
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| 09:28.23 | litage | freeone3000: where in /tmp/ exactly? |
| 09:28.43 | wols_ | at /tmp |
| 09:28.48 | wols_ | oh in. |
| 09:29.02 | freeone3000 | Dunno where exactly. I guess you could ls -R |
| 09:29.44 | wols_ | litage: look for "preinst" |
| 09:30.01 | wols_ | for installed packages you can find them all in &/var/lib/dpkg/info/ |
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| 09:35.50 | cusco | dudes!!!! |
| 09:36.00 | cusco | something is wrong with gnome-panel |
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| 09:36.12 | cusco | its taking 92% of cpu usage!!! |
| 09:36.33 | drasko | hi all. looking for something I've gotten the message: See the KERNEL NAME CACHE section for more... Where to find these man pages, how to invoke them? |
| 09:36.42 | cusco | when I click the applications menu.. I an't choose anything from there.. it starts blinking and keeps on blinking... |
| 09:36.46 | modern | dunno |
| 09:37.04 | seabass | how do you force uninstall a application that is stuck? |
| 09:37.28 | seabass | apt-get remove --purge appname? |
| 09:37.34 | cusco | yes |
| 09:37.37 | cusco | package name |
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| 09:37.57 | seabass | that does not work |
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| 09:38.31 | seabass | i get a error message |
| 09:38.37 | cusco | which is.. |
| 09:38.45 | drasko | hi all. looking for something I've gotten the message: See the KERNEL NAME CACHE section for more... Where to find these man pages, how to invoke them? |
| 09:38.54 | azeem | seabass: paste it to a pastebin |
| 09:38.54 | seabass | Removing zabbix-server-mysql ... |
| 09:38.54 | seabass | /var/lib/dpkg/info/zabbix-server-mysql.postrm: line 5: dbc_go: command not found |
| 09:38.54 | seabass | dpkg: error processing zabbix-server-mysql (--remove): |
| 09:38.54 | seabass | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:38.55 | seabass | Errors were encountered while processing: |
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| 09:38.55 | azeem | !paster |
| 09:38.56 | dpkg | methinks pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 09:39.03 | seabass | hmm |
| 09:39.06 | seabass | i got the message ;P |
| 09:39.14 | azeem | 11:30 < seabass> /var/lib/dpkg/info/zabbix-server-mysql.postrm: line 5: dbc_go: command not found |
| 09:39.20 | azeem | fix that file manually |
| 09:39.27 | seabass | how? |
| 09:39.35 | azeem | possibly by just adding exit 0 at the top or commenting out the offending line |
| 09:39.42 | seabass | ah |
| 09:39.48 | seabass | silly error |
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| 09:40.14 | Timtow | what's the tar flags for a .tar.bz2? |
| 09:40.15 | seabass | zabbix-server-mysq; |
| 09:40.17 | seabass | oo[s |
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| 09:40.32 | seabass | dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error |
| 09:40.39 | seabass | now what? |
| 09:40.51 | Timtow | pray? |
| 09:40.59 | Timtow | you coudl try kicking it...works for window boxes |
| 09:41.01 | seabass | bah |
| 09:41.08 | Timtow | :D |
| 09:41.13 | seabass | Timtow: this is not window |
| 09:41.14 | seabass | s |
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| 09:41.23 | seabass | apt-get is strange |
| 09:41.26 | Timtow | simple question: what's the flags for tar .tar.bz2? |
| 09:41.34 | seabass | ? |
| 09:41.38 | Timtow | tar xvzf or something |
| 09:41.41 | seabass | what does that mean? |
| 09:41.42 | Timtow | for bz2 files? |
| 09:41.43 | seabass | to un pack it? |
| 09:41.48 | Timtow | yep |
| 09:41.50 | azeem | !tar |
| 09:41.50 | dpkg | Extract tar: "tar xf foo.tar"; Extract tar.gz: "tar xzf foo.tar.gz"; Extract tar.bz2: "tar xjf foo.tar.bz2"; tar extraction command hard to remember? use apt-get install unp; unp foo.bar; Create tar.gz: "tar czf foo.tar.gz directory"; Create tar.bz2: "tar cjf foo.tar.bz2 directory" |
| 09:41.56 | Timtow | thanks |
| 09:42.03 | seabass | azeem: any ideas? |
| 09:42.05 | Fox | xvjf |
| 09:42.19 | azeem | seabass: what did you change? |
| 09:42.28 | seabass | the file you told me |
| 09:42.28 | azeem | paste the postrm to a pastebin |
| 09:42.32 | seabass | added the line you told me |
| 09:42.39 | seabass | its empty |
| 09:42.46 | azeem | ? |
| 09:42.50 | seabass | empty |
| 09:43.03 | azeem | well, it shouldn't be empty |
| 09:43.29 | seabass | libah |
| 09:43.30 | faber3 | Timtow: tar xvjf ...bz2 to extract |
| 09:43.31 | seabass | i fixed it |
| 09:43.41 | azeem | libah? |
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| 09:44.17 | Timtow | nope, it's not working |
| 09:44.20 | Timtow | tar: bzip2: Cannot exec: No such file or directory |
| 09:44.25 | azeem | Timtow: install it |
| 09:44.26 | Timtow | but that's the file, I tabbed the name |
| 09:44.30 | Timtow | install what? |
| 09:44.33 | azeem | bzip2 |
| 09:44.38 | Timtow | ah, ok |
| 09:44.40 | litage | apt is trying to install x11-common, but fails because it needs to overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin/ but the 'opera' package contains the file /usr/X11R6/bin/opera . i can't remove opera because my dist-upgrade hasn't finished. what can i do? |
| 09:45.14 | Eulex | wait until it has finished? |
| 09:45.22 | litage | Eulex: wait until what has finished? |
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| 09:45.33 | Eulex | the dist-upgrade? |
| 09:46.11 | litage | Eulex: the dist-upgrade fails because it can't overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin/ (which is because opera contains a file in that dir) |
| 09:46.35 | Eulex | litage, apt-get install x11-common opera-? |
| 09:46.51 | Eulex | (the - at the end is important) |
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| 09:47.12 | Fox | rerun dist-upgrade, usualy it works when you have x11-common errors |
| 09:47.26 | Fox | or apt-get -f install |
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| 09:48.36 | Timtow | what does -f do? |
| 09:48.54 | Shadur | Fix dependency issues, I think |
| 09:49.07 | Timtow | if you're not learning, you're not growing, if you're not growing you're dead I always say |
| 09:49.16 | Fox | -f = --fix-broken |
| 09:49.18 | litage | Eulex: running ``apt-get install x11-common opera-?'' results in apt telling me to run ``apt-get -f install'' |
| 09:49.25 | azeem | Timtow: you could just as well learn by looking up apt-get --help |
| 09:49.33 | Timtow | na, too easy |
| 09:49.38 | Timtow | I'd rather bother y'all :D |
| 09:49.57 | wols_ | why should we bother with you when you're not willing to learn? |
| 09:49.58 | litage | Fox: i've re-run dist-upgrade. it keeps failing when it can't "overwrite /usr/X11R6/bin/" |
| 09:50.03 | Timtow | I did learn |
| 09:50.09 | Timtow | -f is fix-broken dependancies |
| 09:50.15 | Timtow | see? I listen |
| 09:50.17 | Timtow | :D |
| 09:50.50 | Eulex | litage, ok, what about apt-get remove opera? also, could you pastebin the full errors? |
| 09:51.08 | liable | litage: move the binary out the way till you install x11 |
| 09:51.10 | Timtow | hey, within a month of picking up my first linux distro, I've gotten Apache2, PHP5, MySQL, Postfix, Courier, an IRCd...and some other stuff..oh yeah glftpd installed |
| 09:51.16 | Timtow | and I haven't bugged y'all that much, have I? |
| 09:51.59 | blondie | yes, just by saying "y'all" :P |
| 09:52.01 | liable | litage: reading the x11-common docs has a little info on this to iirc |
| 09:52.18 | azeem | Timtow: yeah, it was just a side remark |
| 09:52.21 | azeem | no problem |
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| 09:52.57 | litage | paste: http://rafb.net/paste/results/l7flj333.html |
| 09:53.42 | Fox | and 'apt-get -f install' fails as well ? |
| 09:53.54 | litage | liable: /usr/X11R6/bin/ doesn't exist anymore. the problem isn't that something within /usr/X11R6/bin/ exists. the problem is that the opera package is saying it has a file in /usr/X11R6/bin/ and thus x11-common isn't allowed to overwrite the dir |
| 09:53.58 | litage | Fox: yes |
| 09:54.04 | takisd | just did an apt-get upgrade on etch. machine now shutting down when xscreensaver kicks in - can't open xscreensaver props dialog as it triggers a logout of X. noticed libapm in upgrade. any ideas?? |
| 09:54.27 | Timtow | cool azeem! |
| 09:54.29 | Timtow | :D |
| 09:54.50 | litage | reading x11-common docs.. |
| 09:55.01 | TinoW | nu sto? http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yqwyb929.html |
| 09:56.05 | Fox | litage: dpkg -i http://rafb.net/paste/results/Yqwyb929.html |
| 09:56.08 | Fox | rah |
| 09:56.09 | Fox | sorry |
| 09:56.37 | Fox | litage: dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/your-x11-common.deb --force-overwrite ? |
| 09:57.05 | litage | Fox: yeah i just found out about --force-overwrite from an article discussing my problem. going to give it a shot |
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| 09:59.24 | litage | since dist-upgrade failed, should i run ``apt-get -f install'' or ``apt-get -f dist-upgrade''? |
| 09:59.45 | Fox | apt-get -f install then apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:59.50 | litage | thanks |
| 10:00.12 | Fox | did the --force-overwrite work ? |
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| 10:02.50 | liable | litage: i thought it makes symlinks to that old dir? |
| 10:03.02 | litage | liable: yeah it does |
| 10:03.32 | litage | liable: dpkg prevents it from overwriting /usr/X11R6/bin/ if opera is installed though, because opera puts a file in /usr/X11R6/bin/ |
| 10:04.10 | liable | litage: why cant you remove opera temporarily? |
| 10:04.34 | Fox | because apt fails when trying to remove opera |
| 10:04.39 | litage | liable: because there are unmet deps and dpkg wants to fix that before doing anything else |
| 10:04.41 | liable | use dpkg.. |
| 10:04.54 | litage | liable: yeah i fixed it with --force-overwrite |
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| 10:06.42 | liable | good |
| 10:09.42 | TinoW | anybody an idea? |
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| 10:10.28 | azeem | Timtow: the preinst scripts are in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
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| 10:11.43 | phil_praxis | hello, on my system (Linux Debian), my shared lib setup is screwed but only for root user |
| 10:11.57 | phil_praxis | rrr:~# grep |
| 10:11.57 | phil_praxis | grep: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:11.59 | phil_praxis | whereas |
| 10:12.15 | phil_praxis | with any other user on the system, i get regular grep usage if i run it |
| 10:12.20 | azeem | phil_praxis: run ldd on grep as root |
| 10:12.28 | azeem | and paste the output to a pastebin |
| 10:13.05 | Timtow | what are preinst scripts? |
| 10:13.06 | phil_praxis | ldd is also dyn linked: no luck, /bin/bash: error while loading shared libraries: libdl.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
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| 10:13.29 | azeem | phil_praxis: env | grep LD_ |
| 10:13.33 | phil_praxis | this is not only grep, this is everything |
| 10:13.35 | azeem | does that show something? |
| 10:14.06 | azeem | phil_praxis: do you have /lib/libdl.so.2? |
| 10:14.08 | phil_praxis | env: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:14.17 | phil_praxis | yes, i do, (i think, let me check) |
| 10:14.53 | phil_praxis | yes i do |
| 10:15.01 | phil_praxis | for env, problem, it's dyn linked to |
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| 10:16.13 | phil_praxis | i tried to echo $LD_KEEPDIR, $LD_PRELOAD, etc... all of them: they are all empty |
| 10:16.37 | azeem | LD_LIBRARY_PATH? |
| 10:16.49 | phil_praxis | yes, i did, empty |
| 10:17.03 | azeem | phil_praxis: ls -l /lib/libdl.so.2, where does it point to? |
| 10:17.16 | phil_praxis | phil@rrr:~$ ll /lib/libdl.so.2 |
| 10:17.17 | phil_praxis | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 14 Jun 10 14:51 /lib/libdl.so.2 -> libdl-2.3.6.so |
| 10:17.17 | phil_praxis | phil@rrr:~$ |
| 10:17.17 | phil_praxis | phil@rrr:~$ ll /lib/libdl-2.3.6.so |
| 10:17.17 | phil_praxis | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 9592 Apr 14 18:09 /lib/libdl-2.3.6.so |
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| 10:17.44 | cydork | phil_praxis: that's the problem LD_LIBRARY_PATH should point to the directory containing the libdl.so.2 |
| 10:18.14 | azeem | cydork: /lib and /usr/lib are searched by default |
| 10:18.29 | phil_praxis | well.... how come it's not defined for any users who do not exhibiti that... no need for LD_LIB_PATH as azeem says |
| 10:18.39 | azeem | phil_praxis: also check /lib/libc.so.6 |
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| 10:18.42 | phil_praxis | (sorry for the paste) |
| 10:18.44 | avar | does any standard package install "gmake"? A certain app relies on that exact name in its build process and I'm wondering whether or not I have an incomplete build env or whether debian never aliases gmake to make |
| 10:18.45 | phil_praxis | same, just did: |
| 10:18.47 | azeem | phil_praxis: and run ldd as a user on e.g. greip |
| 10:19.12 | phil_praxis | phil@rrr:~$ ldd /bin/grep |
| 10:19.12 | phil_praxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.12 | phil_praxis | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:19.30 | incorrect | i am wonder what is a good combination for ldap authenticating MTA and imap server |
| 10:19.39 | azeem | phil_praxis: try LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libdl.so.2 env |
| 10:19.57 | phil_praxis | works |
| 10:20.07 | azeem | phil_praxis: try LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libdl.so.2 ldd /usr/bin/grep? |
| 10:20.16 | phil_praxis | so, it seems that /lib and /usr/lib are not searched by default anymore |
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| 10:20.23 | phil_praxis | hmmm, grep will need libc not libdl |
| 10:20.23 | Crissi | hi |
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| 10:20.45 | Crissi | when the debian package for ipw3945 is ready for unstable? |
| 10:20.58 | phil_praxis | oops |
| 10:20.59 | phil_praxis | sorry |
| 10:21.03 | phil_praxis | i screwed up |
| 10:21.24 | Crissi | because its avilable for various debian based distributions it should not too hard to made a package for unstable |
| 10:21.27 | b0nn | hi all, Im trying to install a package and I get errors, so Im guessing the package has to come from unstable, but Im not sure how to do that |
| 10:21.29 | phil_praxis | no no.... LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libdl.so.2 env doesnt work: |
| 10:21.48 | phil_praxis | rrr:~# LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libdl.so.2 env |
| 10:21.49 | phil_praxis | ERROR: ld.so: object '/lib/libdl.so.2' from LD_PRELOAD cannot be preloaded: ignored. |
| 10:21.49 | phil_praxis | env: error while loading shared libraries: libc.so.6: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 10:21.56 | azeem | b0nn: paste the errors to a pastebin |
| 10:21.57 | Fox | phil_praxis: stop pasting here please |
| 10:21.59 | azeem | !paster |
| 10:22.00 | dpkg | rumour has it, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 10:22.23 | mixer-- | is there any way to automatically bid just before an auction ends in ebay ? |
| 10:22.29 | azeem | phil_praxis: try to run ldconfig |
| 10:22.34 | phil_praxis | i did already |
| 10:22.37 | phil_praxis | did not fix the problem |
| 10:22.40 | azeem | mixer--: how is that question Debian related? |
| 10:22.44 | Fox | mixer--: is that related to debian ? |
| 10:23.04 | azeem | phil_praxis: maybe run it with -v and check the output for problems |
| 10:23.08 | codynotes | Any idea how I find out what driver is currently being used for a network card? |
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| 10:23.44 | b0nn | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3079 |
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| 10:23.54 | mixer-- | why openoffice doesnt have preview when trying to open a file of unknown encoding ? while msword has |
| 10:24.10 | TinoW | azeem: ah, this answer was for me? But I dont see any preinstall script for this package there |
| 10:24.23 | azeem | mixer--: because nobody wrote it yet |
| 10:24.29 | phil_praxis | ldconfig -v gives these error: http://pastebin.ca/81301 |
| 10:24.47 | fluxdude | does anybody know of a command line jabber client or way of testing if a jabber service is up on a machine by actually connecting to it for the command line? |
| 10:25.02 | b0nn | fluxdude: netcat? |
| 10:25.04 | azeem | TinoW: ls /var/lib/dpkg/info/<package>.*, no preinst? |
| 10:25.18 | wols_ | fluxdude: bitlbee |
| 10:25.48 | TinoW | azeem: postgresql-common.conffiles postgresql-common.list postgresql-common.md5sums postgresql-common.postinst postgresql-common.postrm |
| 10:25.48 | phil_praxis | http://pastebin.ca/81301 == these are the only errors from ldconfig -v |
| 10:25.56 | phil_praxis | pretty small and seems unrelated |
| 10:26.03 | azeem | phil_praxis: yes |
| 10:26.13 | azeem | phil_praxis: is this box on the internet? |
| 10:26.25 | mixer-- | azeem openoffice sucks and its populated by amateur wannabie bill gates 12yo newbies scriptkiddies |
| 10:26.48 | azeem | mixer--: please discuss this in another channel, this one is for end-user support |
| 10:26.49 | phil_praxis | azeem: behind nat |
| 10:27.21 | azeem | phil_praxis: can you login as root on another console/ssh session and see whether the same behaviour is happening? |
| 10:27.44 | seabass | hmm |
| 10:27.59 | azeem | TinoW: hrm, no idea then |
| 10:27.59 | TinoW | azeem: I wonder if I just touch a file to there to keep the install happy... |
| 10:28.16 | phil_praxis | yes, same behaviour |
| 10:28.17 | azeem | no, I don't think that would help |
| 10:28.19 | phil_praxis | from console |
| 10:28.27 | phil_praxis | still root has this dyn lib problem |
| 10:28.35 | phil_praxis | strange thing is that my machine boots up ok! |
| 10:28.44 | phil_praxis | so, it's really strange |
| 10:29.13 | azeem | maybe try "LD_PRELOAD=/lib/libc.so.6:/lib/libdl.so.2 env" |
| 10:29.33 | phil_praxis | wow! |
| 10:29.36 | fluxdude | b0nn: but that only tests if the port is open, not if jabber is actually responding as it should... |
| 10:29.46 | TinoW | azeem: any way to find out what "preinstall-script failed with status 1" really means? Some kind of verbose mode or logging beside over-detailed strace? |
| 10:29.47 | phil_praxis | I just spotted something REALLY weird: |
| 10:30.00 | b0nn | fluxdude: use nc -vv |
| 10:30.04 | phil_praxis | did you know about this LD_ env var: LD_ASSUME_KERNEL=2.2.5 |
| 10:30.12 | azeem | yes |
| 10:30.17 | mixer-- | if I win an auction, I am FORCED to buy the item? |
| 10:30.18 | phil_praxis | man!!!! |
| 10:30.40 | azeem | mixer--: your question is off-topic |
| 10:30.41 | phil_praxis | this is HORRIBLE ;-) ok, i dunno where this ASSUME_KERNEL comes from but that was my problem |
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| 10:30.49 | azeem | phil_praxis: ok |
| 10:30.50 | fluxdude | wols_: thanks I'll try that out... |
| 10:30.51 | phil_praxis | fixed then, i just unset it and it's ok |
| 10:31.02 | azeem | phil_praxis: well, apparently it gets sets during login... |
| 10:31.12 | phil_praxis | azeem: thanks for your help, somehow LD_ASSUME_KERNEL was not documented in man ld.so |
| 10:31.23 | phil_praxis | yes, i'm going to grep my rc's |
| 10:31.30 | azeem | I think it's a glibc feature, rather |
| 10:31.44 | phil_praxis | this is really bad.... it happened after an upgrade |
| 10:32.00 | phil_praxis | ok |
| 10:32.04 | phil_praxis | thanks a lot! :) |
| 10:32.21 | azeem | well, you found the problem yourself :) |
| 10:32.39 | b0nn | is there any decent docs on adding unstable to sources.list |
| 10:32.44 | b0nn | none that ive read work |
| 10:32.54 | azeem | b0nn: if you need to ask how, you shouldn't do it |
| 10:32.59 | TinoW | b0nn: usually the docs say: dont do that :) |
| 10:33.05 | b0nn | azeem did you see my paste? |
| 10:33.11 | azeem | no, hang on |
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| 10:33.32 | b0nn | theres a package (two actually) in unstable I need to install |
| 10:33.37 | fireba11 | b0nn: use backports if you need anything too new for stable |
| 10:33.38 | azeem | b0nn: why do you need libmagick++6-dev? |
| 10:33.44 | b0nn | for a rails script |
| 10:33.57 | phil_praxis | azeem: sure, but you helped on the way, :) |
| 10:34.12 | azeem | b0nn: are you running stable or testing right now? |
| 10:34.40 | b0nn | stable |
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| 10:35.17 | azeem | b0nn: chek http://www.backports.org |
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| 10:35.30 | b0nn | theres this http://packages.debian.org/stable/libdevel/libmagick++6-dev (its stable) |
| 10:35.42 | b0nn | but still with the rerror |
| 10:35.57 | azeem | do you use apt-get to install it? |
| 10:36.36 | b0nn | yes |
| 10:36.47 | b0nn | tried apt-get -f as well |
| 10:37.27 | cusco | install -f |
| 10:37.52 | azeem | b0nn: try apt-get install ibmagick6-dev (= 6:6.0.6.2-2.6) |
| 10:37.53 | azeem | eh |
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| 10:38.02 | azeem | apt-get install ibmagick6-dev=6.0.6.2-2.6 |
| 10:38.03 | b0nn | sorry its late and pedantry isnt my idea of a good suggestion |
| 10:38.05 | azeem | blah |
| 10:38.11 | azeem | apt-get install libmagick6-dev=6.0.6.2-2.6 |
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| 10:38.35 | b0nn | E: Version '6.0.6.2-2.6' for 'libmagick6-dev' was not found |
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| 10:38.50 | azeem | b0nn: did you remove stable from /etc/apt/sources.list? |
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| 10:38.57 | azeem | b0nn: what does dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1 say? |
| 10:39.29 | b0nn | ii libc6 2.3.6-15 GNU C Library: Shared libraries |
| 10:39.39 | azeem | so you're on unstable already |
| 10:39.56 | b0nn | Ive inherited this box |
| 10:40.13 | b0nn | so theres a strong possibility that things have been frigged with |
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| 10:40.45 | azeem | b0nn: so what exactly do you want to do? |
| 10:40.50 | row | is there a tool to convert a set of files to the same charset by any chance? |
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| 10:41.17 | b0nn | right now, I want to kick the previous idiot |
| 10:41.21 | _Brandon_ | hi, anyone knows how to enable generation of core dump file? |
| 10:41.23 | azeem | fine |
| 10:41.41 | azeem | _Brandon_: ulimit might be the place to look at |
| 10:41.45 | b0nn | but, the productive answer is, why isnt this install happaneing |
| 10:42.05 | azeem | _Brandon_: eh, or not |
| 10:42.17 | azeem | b0nn: because this package does not exist in unstable anymore |
| 10:42.19 | _Brandon_ | azeem yes but ulimit works just for the active session i want something that enable it for all the system |
| 10:42.40 | b0nn | it did when I looked through google about 10 minutes ago |
| 10:43.15 | azeem | !info libmagick6-dev sarge |
| 10:43.19 | dpkg | libmagick6-dev: (Image manipulation library -- development), section libdevel, is optional. Version: 6:6.0.6.2-2.6 (sarge), Packaged size: 1471 kB, Installed size: 5236 kB |
| 10:43.23 | azeem | !info libmagick6-dev unstable |
| 10:43.31 | azeem | 12:35 <dpkg> Package 'libmagick6-dev' does not exist. |
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| 10:44.33 | b0nn | libmagick++6-dev? |
| 10:44.38 | azeem | same |
| 10:44.45 | b0nn | fun |
| 10:45.04 | azeem | it's libmagick9 now |
| 10:45.36 | b0nn | is that backwards compatible :) |
| 10:45.55 | azeem | maybe |
| 10:46.02 | azeem | for your purposes |
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| 10:46.43 | b0nn | heh Im going to take a risk |
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| 10:47.29 | b0nn | and ... no |
| 10:47.30 | b0nn | thanks anyway |
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| 10:49.52 | Reimu | I need help, I am trying to do a netinstall with the minimal CD but debian can't autodetect my internet, even when I put in the drivers it asks for additional parameters and doesn't work. What might be stopping it from seeing my internet? |
| 10:50.41 | lelu | a recent survey found that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population. |
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| 10:51.33 | Reimu | wait, what is an internal ISDN card? could that be why it doesn't detect my internet? |
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| 10:53.22 | TinoW | Reimu: ISDN does reqire more effort to go online. Are you sure its your only way to the internet? |
| 10:53.40 | Reimu | I have no idea what it is, describe ISDN to me. |
| 10:56.14 | Fox | Integrated Services Digital Network |
| 10:56.19 | TinoW | Reimu: well if you dont know ISDN, you dont need it. Just skip and look for network cards. |
| 10:57.02 | TinoW | (aka ethernet network cards) |
| 10:57.08 | Reimu | I have an intel one, and I know that the driver is e1000, but it doesn't notice the internet |
| 10:57.36 | Fox | sarge netinstall cd does have e1000 driver |
| 10:57.44 | Fox | it should work then |
| 10:58.13 | Fox | Reimu: are you using netinstall cd or business card cd ? |
| 10:58.26 | Reimu | but it doesn't, it wants me to eneter additional parameters and doesn't see the internet, this computer is extreemly new, so I don't think I would have to, and I am using netinstall cd |
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| 10:59.06 | Fox | what kind or parameters is it asking for ? |
| 10:59.49 | liable | Reimu: try a static ip |
| 10:59.52 | Reimu | umm, it just says additional parameters and pops up this box, it gives an example which I can't remember off the top of my head. It is the same thing that happens if I choose any card |
| 11:00.15 | Reimu | liable: but how do you set up your ip if it doesn't even notice your internet in the first place? |
| 11:00.20 | Fox | the modules parameters are optionnals, you can leave that box empty |
| 11:00.40 | Reimu | Fox: If I do that, it goes back to the select which driver window |
| 11:00.42 | liable | Reimu: does it say network card wasnt detected? |
| 11:00.46 | Reimu | yes |
| 11:01.07 | Fox | Reimu: if you have no error message then the module has been loaded just fine |
| 11:01.12 | liable | Reimu: which kernel are you using? the default ot the 2.6? |
| 11:01.14 | Fox | ho |
| 11:01.16 | Reimu | default |
| 11:01.33 | liable | Reimu: this is a sarge installer? |
| 11:01.35 | Reimu | yes |
| 11:01.47 | liable | Reimu: boot with linux26 boot option |
| 11:01.52 | Reimu | ok, I'll try |
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| 11:09.52 | Reimu | When I boot up the installer with the 26 kernal, and then I click e1000, the window just pops up again, no asking for additional parameters, it just pops up, if I go to another one it wants additional parameters however, |
| 11:11.21 | TARZEAU | !kernal |
| 11:11.21 | dpkg | *KERNEL* *KERNEL* *KERNEL* |
| 11:11.49 | Reimu | Sorry, I'll say kernel from now on |
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| 11:12.07 | RichiH | heh :) |
| 11:12.36 | fusion | Hello, I am trying to install debian remotely via debootstrap, however i am stuck at this: umount: /mnt/lfs: device is busy |
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| 11:12.43 | fusion | while trying to unmount a partition |
| 11:12.57 | fusion | how might i kill the process using it? I tried lsof to view but nothing shows |
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| 11:21.12 | jiriki | I wonder if its dangerous to set sticky bit for /usr/bin/sudo |
| 11:21.33 | azeem | why do you think so? |
| 11:22.05 | TinoW | jiriki: if you remove that bit sudo becomes very indangerous ;) |
| 11:22.40 | Jamster | jiriki: are you sure you mean the sticky bit? |
| 11:22.51 | jiriki | it grants the super-user access to that command |
| 11:23.08 | jiriki | right? |
| 11:23.11 | Jamster | sticky gets ignored on files, AFAIK |
| 11:23.22 | jiriki | I mean the command would be run on super-user rights |
| 11:23.35 | jiriki | I mean if I were to do that for eg. mkdir people could add directories anywhere? |
| 11:23.38 | Jamster | you mean the sUID bit |
| 11:23.44 | jiriki | yeh suid bit |
| 11:23.59 | Jamster | +s <- suid :) sticky is +t |
| 11:24.09 | jiriki | yeh, okay suid :P |
| 11:24.58 | Jamster | anyways...sudo already should -have- the sUID bit for users. |
| 11:24.58 | jiriki | so sudo would not even work without suid bit? :P |
| 11:25.09 | jiriki | yeh okay |
| 11:25.21 | Jamster | permissions should be -rwsr-xr-x |
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| 11:25.55 | jiriki | but If I were to set suid bit for mkdir, would the user be able to create directories anywhere? |
| 11:26.30 | Reimu | Would I be better off torrenting the full CD and burning that? Then trying to get internet setup once I have debian? |
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| 11:27.35 | Jamster | Reimu: I usually use the netinstaller. Smaller download (around 100mb), and if you got a good connection, setup's fast enough. |
| 11:28.15 | Jamster | Reimu: or is that the problem? :> 'net connection during install? |
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| 11:31.52 | Intoxicator | reimi, with most types of net access / network cards, getting access from the installer is easy |
| 11:32.22 | Intoxicator | reimi, i'd go for installer, and add packages from a mirror, rather than from cd |
| 11:33.16 | Intoxicator | s/reimi/reimu/g |
| 11:33.26 | Loady | hi.. when i build a package from source. where can i find the build log? |
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| 11:36.59 | Reimu | Jamster: yes, that is the problem, no net connection during install, it wants me to select my ethernet driver and when I select it, the screen flashed and goes back to the same screen :/ |
| 11:38.08 | Reimu | or I got an idea! How hard is it to install from an existing unix system? I am running ubuntu now, so could I install debian over it? |
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| 11:38.48 | fireba11 | can someone tell me how to set up a VPN via IPsec to TWO remote subnets in one connection ? e.g. hwo to sepcify the 2nd subnet |
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| 11:40.22 | RAMATTACK | hi everybody I have a Debian Sarge 3.1 over two sata discs on soft raid 0 over a promise sata controller. I use too another ide disc for /boot and /swap. When I shutdown the machine just before shutting down sais unmounting md0 too busy remounting read only |
| 11:40.26 | RAMATTACK | is this bad? |
| 11:40.33 | RAMATTACK | what happens with this? |
| 11:40.40 | Intoxicator | reimu, sounds all right, loading driver. seem to have been successful |
| 11:40.56 | Intoxicator | now configure your network/network card |
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| 11:41.25 | bykte | hi anyway to create multiple archives on a file on debian? |
| 11:41.28 | bykte | from a single large file |
| 11:41.41 | Intoxicator | reimu, if you have a, say, dsl router with dhcp server, it should be a snap |
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| 11:42.00 | Reimu | Intoxicator: err but it loads back up to the same screen, and when I go back and then try to configure the network card it says that the network isn't configure, pulls something up about a linux floppy and then goes backto the select driver for ethernet |
| 11:42.05 | DevilChaos | !merim |
| 11:42.10 | Reimu | and I have a dsl router with a dhcp server >_< |
| 11:42.17 | freeone3000 | I've done the kp mantra. How do I get it installed now? |
| 11:43.13 | Intoxicator | reimu, what's network card do you have? |
| 11:44.08 | Reimu | err if I am thinking correctly my network card would be some Intel 1/1000 gigabit network connection, or something along those lines |
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| 11:44.25 | Reimu | I am not sure what a network card is, I think that is what it is |
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| 11:45.21 | Intoxicator | reimu, lspci will tell you. not sure whether that's on the installation cd. should come with most live cds anyway. |
| 11:45.44 | Reimu | Intoxicator: I |
| 11:45.49 | Reimu | oops pushed enter |
| 11:45.59 | Intoxicator | to avoid having to look through the output, do lspci | grep Ether |
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| 11:47.00 | Reimu | I am on another linux distro now, and lspci brings that up Intel 82573L Gigabit Ethernet Controller |
| 11:47.03 | fireba11 | bykte of course |
| 11:47.18 | bykte | fireba11, how do i do that sir? |
| 11:47.31 | bykte | i tried tar -cf abc.tar -M abc.txt |
| 11:47.33 | bykte | doesnt work |
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| 11:48.34 | Reimu | Intoxicator: you would think e1000 would work, but it doesn't :/ It can't notice my internet connection |
| 11:49.01 | Intoxicator | try other intels. should say something like "loaded successfully" |
| 11:49.13 | Reimu | Intoxicator: I tried other intels >_< |
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| 11:49.22 | plopplop | hey |
| 11:49.29 | Intoxicator | i don't know how the driver for the 82573 is called |
| 11:49.50 | plopplop | just need to confirm something, any pci card pluged on pci slot has a number > 1:00 on lspci ? |
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| 11:50.16 | Reimu | I asked some other people, they said e1000, but none of the intel ones work |
| 11:50.18 | war95 | RAMATTACK: make sure you are using the latest kernel |
| 11:50.30 | war95 | RAMATTACK: Ive seen some other reports about people having similar problems |
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| 11:51.03 | RAMATTACK | so you recommend to use kernel 2.6 aren't you? |
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| 11:51.38 | war95 | RAMATTACK: definitley |
| 11:52.25 | Intoxicator | just looked ... e1000 supposedly supports cards from the intel pro/1000 line |
| 11:52.38 | RichiH | RAMATTACK: war95 is right |
| 11:53.03 | RichiH | there is no reason to use 2.4 on a system unless you can not/must not update for $reason |
| 11:53.08 | RAMATTACK | I think I use it.... I'm not sure.... |
| 11:53.08 | Intoxicator | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:53.08 | Intoxicator | http://support.intel.com/support/network/adapter/pro100/21397.htm |
| 11:53.15 | RAMATTACK | and if I used kernel 2.6? |
| 11:54.52 | TinoW | lshw is also very nice btw |
| 11:55.26 | Reimu | Intoxicator: that would be my card, my problem is not the driver, but it just can't get internet |
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| 11:55.49 | freeone3000 | I've done the kp mantra. How do I get the kernel actually installed? It doesn't show up in /boot |
| 11:56.04 | Intoxicator | reimu, press alt-f2, for a new console. on the root prompt, enter ifconfig |
| 11:56.24 | Reimu | Intoxicator: The installed has ifconfig? |
| 11:56.27 | Intoxicator | (after having loaded/tried to load the e1000 driver) |
| 11:57.06 | Reimu | ok, I'll try, |
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| 11:59.39 | bony | i have installed apt-proxy and it was running fine from last 1 year but since last 4 day's when every i try to update or install any package from the client which uses this proxy i get ann error message (111 connection refused) |
| 11:59.49 | bony | i tried to restart apt-proxy |
| 11:59.56 | bony | but no use |
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| 12:00.28 | bony | i recently upgraded the system which has apt-proxy server in it and along with other packages apt-proxy too got upgraded |
| 12:00.35 | intelmanx86 | I need someone to portscan my server. PM me |
| 12:00.36 | intelmanx86 | ok |
| 12:00.37 | bony | from then onwards i am facing this problem |
| 12:01.19 | Intoxicator | bony, did you replace the config file? |
| 12:01.28 | Intoxicator | bony, like, overwriting your old config file? |
| 12:01.46 | freeone3000 | Gunna restart, testing splash screen. |
| 12:01.54 | bony | Intoxicator, no |
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| 12:02.07 | bony | it asked me but i said no |
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| 12:02.27 | intelmanx86 | anyone |
| 12:02.53 | blondie | o.O |
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| 12:04.18 | Reimu | Intoxicator: nope, it didn't work, ifconfig has no output, and I can't load the drivers |
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| 12:06.56 | freeone3000 | I have the bootsplash stuff compiled into the kernel. I did the kp mantra. However, I see no new kernel in /boot, and I see no new entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Any reasons why? |
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| 12:08.45 | bony | i have a problem with apt-proxy |
| 12:08.46 | bykte | hi anyway to create multiple archives from a file on debian? |
| 12:09.16 | freeone3000 | multipart rar |
| 12:09.32 | bykte | freeone3000, what? how? |
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| 12:09.51 | freeone3000 | bykte: apt-get install rar; man rar |
| 12:10.04 | freeone3000 | bykte: Note that it's non-free. |
| 12:10.14 | bykte | non-free? wth.. |
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| 12:10.38 | bykte | and this is the so-called opensource? |
| 12:10.43 | freeone3000 | non-Free. Non-Richard M Stallman Free. |
| 12:10.54 | freeone3000 | Oh, it's open source, I bet. Just not FREE... |
| 12:11.21 | freeone3000 | Debian tends to be rather pedantic about liscensing. |
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| 12:12.09 | freeone3000 | non-free means you have to add 'non-free' to a line in /etc/apt/sources.list and `apt-get update` to use packages from there. |
| 12:12.10 | simmerz | how do i recursively delete files that match a specific name? |
| 12:12.23 | freeone3000 | find . -name name | xargs rm |
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| 12:13.14 | pfote | is there a way to reduce xorg Xserver memory footprint? mine consumes 260M shortly after starting, and thats a bit to much to me :-( |
| 12:13.43 | freeone3000 | I have the bootsplash stuff compiled into the kernel. I did the kp mantra. However, I see no new kernel in /boot, and I see no new entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Any reasons why? |
| 12:13.53 | TinoW | pfote: just use a 2MB graphics card |
| 12:13.54 | azeem | pfote: xorg mmaps your framebuffer |
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| 12:14.20 | azeem | pfote: the figures you see are not the real memory consumption |
| 12:14.20 | pfote | ah |
| 12:14.33 | simmerz | freeone3000: what if that file is not a file, but a non-empty directory? would rm -R -- foo work? |
| 12:14.50 | pfote | azeem: but it *really* swaps after a while :-) |
| 12:14.55 | freeone3000 | simmerz: Yeah, if you gave it -r |
| 12:15.37 | simmerz | freeone3000: -R = -r |
| 12:16.03 | liran_ | in a telnet to pop3 account session, is there a way to check only for unread messages? |
| 12:16.29 | freeone3000 | simmerz: Sure, why not. find . -name foo gives you everything with the name of 'foo'. |
| 12:16.32 | TinoW | liran_: yes |
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| 12:16.46 | freeone3000 | simmerz: if you wanted the name of everything containing foo, you'd have to | grep foo | |
| 12:17.28 | TinoW | liran_: but since pop3 is about 1000 years old, I forgot the commands. You might want to look at www.faqs.org for the RFC |
| 12:17.41 | pfote | TinoW: so i just have to live with it (and buy some more ram)? |
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| 12:18.00 | freeone3000 | Hmm. Mine uses only 7% of 512MB... |
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| 12:19.00 | TinoW | pfote: yes and no - you dont need to buy more ram - this is ram you already bought. Its your graphics card ram but heavily rounded up |
| 12:19.58 | azeem | pfote: how much RAM do you have? |
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| 12:23.55 | freeone3000 | I have the bootsplash stuff compiled into the kernel. I did the kp mantra. However, I see no new kernel in /boot, and I see no new entries in /boot/grub/menu.lst. Any reasons why? |
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| 12:31.15 | liran_ | TinoW: just for the record i was alreadying searching a bit and what i could find is the STAT and LIST commands but they all show all messages, not just the unread ones. |
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| 12:31.37 | Loady | hi.. when i build a package from source. where can i find the build log? |
| 12:32.02 | bykte | pfttttt. the manual doesnt even give examples |
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| 12:33.57 | Fox | liran_: there's no way to just list unread messages |
| 12:34.56 | Loady | hi.. when i build a deb package from source. where can i find the build log? |
| 12:35.11 | liran_ | how does webmail systems or applications know which mail was read and which was not? |
| 12:37.00 | freeone3000 | Where does my kernel and stuff go after the kp mantra? |
| 12:37.21 | TARZEAU | Loady: cd .. |
| 12:37.23 | Fox | maybe by keeping a local db with the already retrived/read mails |
| 12:37.46 | freeone3000 | If it was an app, it's trivial to have a 'read' boolean for each message, provided OO. |
| 12:38.23 | SerajewelKS | i've been looking through cron's docs, and none of them way what the working directory will be for executed jobs from user crontabs. where will this be? |
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| 12:38.29 | war95 | Anyon here do a raid5 reshape to grow the array? |
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| 12:38.35 | Fox | with the Maildir format once a message has been read it's moved from new to cur anyway |
| 12:38.38 | roxy_ | TARZEAU: we talked yesterday about video/chat. I tried wengophone 2.0 beta. It is really promising. I could call for free from my pc to normal phone and quality is ok. |
| 12:39.07 | roxy_ | it does video, chat, sms and audio |
| 12:39.13 | Fox | roxy_: did you try ekiga too ? |
| 12:39.25 | Fox | don't remember if ekiga does the video stuff |
| 12:39.35 | TARZEAU | roxy_: aha. and amsn? |
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| 12:39.37 | roxy_ | Fox: yes, I found wengo a bit better. |
| 12:39.41 | TARZEAU | roxy_: url? |
| 12:39.52 | Fox | ok |
| 12:39.53 | sea_geat | dfdf |
| 12:39.59 | roxy_ | TARZEAU: I found amsn the worst, it doesn't do audio |
| 12:40.26 | roxy_ | http://www.wengo.com/ |
| 12:40.36 | infernix | is there a way to control window behaviour (focus, go to background/foreground) from a shell? my guess is that this is windowmanager dependant? |
| 12:40.49 | roxy_ | you should use the 2.0 beta, the debian package 0.98 is not good |
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| 12:43.31 | freeone3000 | Where does my kernel and stuff go after the kp mantra? |
| 12:43.42 | petemc | .. |
| 12:43.50 | azeem | freeone3000: probably the parent directory, i.e. `..' |
| 12:44.01 | freeone3000 | Ah. Thank you. |
| 12:44.14 | freeone3000 | I probably got that like two times already, didn't I. |
| 12:45.10 | TARZEAU | roxy_: true |
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| 12:46.48 | liran_ | damn what a stupid protocol |
| 12:46.53 | roxy_ | TARZEAU: it is still beta, but I was really impressed by the quality. |
| 12:46.56 | liran_ | it should be totally updated for an unread command :) |
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| 12:47.26 | TARZEAU | roxy_: no source |
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| 12:48.33 | roxy_ | http://dev.openwengo.com/trac/openwengo/trac.cgi/browser/wengophone-ng/trunk |
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| 12:49.36 | zimnyx_ | Where are stored crontab-per-user files? |
| 12:50.06 | memic | var/spool/cron? |
| 12:50.23 | blondie | /var/spool/cron/crontabs/ |
| 12:50.27 | TinoW | zimnyx_: crontab -e -u user :-) |
| 12:50.30 | blondie | you use should crontab -e to edit |
| 12:51.11 | zimnyx_ | blondie: yeah, i use crontab -e, but were curious where it goes:) |
| 12:51.13 | zimnyx_ | thnaks |
| 12:51.26 | birki | how to deny accessing to one ip from a computer that is ruter and so deny access to all computers behind nat? i used iptables and create masquerade |
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| 13:01.48 | pfote | TinoW: just changed testwise from kde to gnome .. resulting in a significant decrease of the mem footprint (from 270 down to 80MB) .. if it's just the mem mapping, how can that be? |
| 13:02.27 | TinoW | pfote: for X ? |
| 13:02.39 | pfote | yep |
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| 13:03.01 | TinoW | pfote: interesting. I'D expect at least 64MB of that beeing part of card memory |
| 13:03.32 | freeone3000 | If, for some stupid reason, I re-mantrad my kernel. |
| 13:03.35 | tralala | What would you use for a laptop that connects to different (non dhcp) networks to specify the appripriate nameserver for each network? Netenv? Something else? |
| 13:03.43 | freeone3000 | Which would be the first one - the one with or without the extra -? |
| 13:04.30 | Fox | mantrad ? what's that ? :) |
| 13:04.49 | freeone3000 | mantra'd. kp mantra past tense. |
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| 13:05.23 | pfote | TinoW: i dont get why the system would mmap the graka anyway .. wouldn't that be the same like having such a cheap "shared" graka? |
| 13:06.12 | TinoW | pfote: no, thats just a memory window where the CPU can write to the gfx card |
| 13:06.30 | pfote | and thats 64MB huge?! |
| 13:06.45 | TinoW | pfote: yes, just to simplify things |
| 13:06.51 | pfote | hrm |
| 13:06.51 | Fox | I still don't know what mantra is Ôo |
| 13:07.08 | TinoW | Fox: Opel Manta? ;) |
| 13:07.15 | pfote | :D |
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| 13:08.07 | freeone3000 | Fox: It compiles your kernel into a debian package in one easy line that's hard to understand. |
| 13:08.17 | Fox | oki doki |
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| 13:08.32 | Nei | I must be totally stupid, I can't seem to find a ntp package in my debian etch/amd64 |
| 13:08.32 | Fox | why don't you just use make-kpkg ? |
| 13:08.36 | freeone3000 | That's the one. |
| 13:08.47 | Nei | am I searching for the wrong thing or is there no network time client |
| 13:08.56 | xristos | there is openntpd |
| 13:09.01 | xristos | altho i suspect its crap |
| 13:09.02 | TinoW | Nei: apt-get install ntp |
| 13:09.09 | Fox | Nei: if you just want a client you should use ntpdate |
| 13:09.15 | TinoW | ah oh |
| 13:09.23 | Nei | TinoW, Fox, I cannot seem to find these packages |
| 13:09.31 | Fox | xristos: openntpd works quite well :) |
| 13:09.31 | TinoW | Nei: yes, I just read that |
| 13:09.46 | xristos | Fox: thats surprising considering its origins |
| 13:09.47 | Nei | 'no candidate found for ntp..' |
| 13:10.06 | Fox | Nei: apt-cache search ntpdate ? |
| 13:10.29 | Nei | only result it gives are the ntp-doc |
| 13:10.47 | Fox | Nei: http://packages.debian.org/testing/net/ntpdate |
| 13:10.53 | Fox | ntpdate exists for etch |
| 13:11.20 | Nei | but it is not listed for amd64 |
| 13:11.27 | Fox | oh |
| 13:11.41 | Nei | can I mix in i386 packages? how? |
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| 13:12.03 | Fox | using etch with amd64, you like living on the edge Nei :) |
| 13:12.27 | Nei | should I use sid? |
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| 13:13.21 | freeone3000 | I compiled my own kernel. It is weirdly named. I can fix that. I tried doing the bootsplash thing with the patch. It's completly black on startup. I can't fix that. Any tips? |
| 13:13.24 | SerajewelKS | Nei: if you have to ask, no |
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| 13:15.57 | Fox | Nei: I would recommend getting the source package and compiling yourself |
| 13:16.12 | mandingo | Fox: might as well get gentoo... |
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| 13:16.51 | Fox | mandingo: I think the best way to use amd64 is gentoo, but that's not the place to discuss that :) |
| 13:17.21 | mandingo | hahaha |
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| 13:20.50 | freeone3000 | I compiled my own kernel. It is weirdly named. I can fix that. I tried doing the bootsplash thing with the patch. It's completly black on startup. I can't fix that. Any tips? |
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| 13:22.06 | Fox | freeone3000: c'mon, nobody answered, then I guess nobody's got an answer for you |
| 13:22.33 | Eulex | freeone3000, from what kernel version did you borrow the .config? what kernel version did you compile? did you use vesafb? |
| 13:22.55 | freeone3000 | Eulex: 2.6.17, 2.6.17, no. |
| 13:23.19 | Eulex | hmm, sorry, dunno then |
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| 13:28.40 | N0S3 | hello |
| 13:29.37 | faber3 | hi everybody |
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| 13:30.36 | cr3 | where does lspci get its information from? does the output depend on the loaded drivers? |
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| 13:32.02 | N0S3 | i use debian sarge and BIND9, how i can prove the cache dns? in my dir /var/cache/bind I don't have anything , this this well? |
| 13:32.38 | Sonderblade | when i try to boot up a debian machine it hangs at: Starting Mail Transport Agent: sendmail, why? |
| 13:33.39 | abrotman | does it ever get past that? |
| 13:33.46 | blondie | Sonderblade: you're not waiting long enough... it'll probably be ok eventually |
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| 13:35.55 | Sonderblade | blondie: something can't be right if starting sendmail takes this long |
| 13:36.14 | blondie | is the network and DNS working? |
| 13:36.38 | Sonderblade | yes |
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| 13:37.53 | oceanborn | Which software can help me to make radio broadcasting from already configured DVB. I need to make available a number of radio channels (10-30) to my LAN. |
| 13:40.14 | lelu | can someone recomend a good service for debian that allows me to share a folder on it over a windows network? |
| 13:40.46 | blondie | lelu: samba |
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| 13:42.06 | korst3n | azeem, can you help me to compile Eterm please? |
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| 13:43.29 | lelu | blondie: is it easy enough to setup? |
| 13:43.38 | blondie | lelu: I find it easy :) |
| 13:43.42 | blondie | !samba |
| 13:43.42 | dpkg | hmm... samba is a Unix implementation of Windows file and print sharing (the SMB protocol), a good tutorial in English can be found at http://www.samba.org/samba/docs/using_samba/toc.html , or http://www.samba.org , or #samba, or read O'Reilly's book online (http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/samba2/book/toc.html) |
| 13:44.08 | lelu | blondie: thanks :) |
| 13:44.20 | rstandy | why gnome shortcuts stoppend working? Is there a known debian bug for this? |
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| 13:51.59 | azeem | korst3n: now, I gotta go see a medic now, sorry |
| 13:52.03 | Jemt | Greetz. I think I need help with x.org. I get some errors when I start 'gdm'. Can someone help me debug this problem ? As far as I remember, I installed an additional package on my laptop to solve this problem - not sure which one though |
| 13:52.06 | azeem | eh |
| 13:52.10 | azeem | s/now/no/ |
| 13:52.37 | abrotman | a medic?! |
| 13:52.40 | abrotman | !fix azeem |
| 13:53.01 | azeem | tried to play soccer yesterday... |
| 13:53.39 | infernix | if anyone has an idea how to search for commandline (shell) based window (management?) control, i'd be greatly helped. searching google for "windows management control" is not yielding anything useful about xorg and linux |
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| 13:54.33 | Maquiavelo | Hello guys, anyone knows a Comas clone in PHP? |
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| 13:55.09 | infernix | i'm trying to control firefox and vlc on a shell, basically trying to change their window positioning (foreground/background), and I can't even find a clue as to where to RTFM =/ |
| 13:55.36 | azeem | infernix: I'm not sure what you mean, look into either screen or ion, I'd say |
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| 13:56.47 | valdyn | azeem: hes looking for a scriptable window manager |
| 13:57.03 | infernix | im using ion. but currently I use firefox and no WM on a box to show web content andd videos through html (embedding videos so the vlc mozilla plugin plays it) |
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| 13:57.25 | azeem | infernix: you're looking for some kiosk-thingy? |
| 13:57.28 | infernix | but the mozilla plugin lacks a lot of features, so we're trying to get firefox + standalone vlc to run together. |
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| 13:57.52 | infernix | yep, exactly. so we need some control over when vlc gets focus over firefox and vice versa, but i have no idea where to even start |
| 13:58.09 | infernix | firefox is manageable through javascript, but for vlc I am pretty sure we'd need WM |
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| 13:58.26 | valdyn | infernix: this is window manager specific, if ion has nothing about it in its documentation, it does not support it |
| 13:58.40 | infernix | most notably since we'd ahve to specify the vlc window size and position |
| 13:58.59 | infernix | valdyn: i know, i didnt mention ion. i run it but i am not sure ion is suitable for what we want. |
| 13:59.13 | zob000 | how do can see what is using my network resources ? like top but for network interfaces. |
| 13:59.41 | infernix | googling on WM and remote contol only shows wmii, but I cant imagine there's no other way of controlling windows in Xorg other than through keyboard/mouse |
| 13:59.59 | Jemt | Can someone help me solve this problem with x.org? : "Could not open default font 'fixed'" |
| 14:00.03 | infernix | zob000: ntop, iptraf |
| 14:00.47 | pipeline | Jemt: It means what it says. You have to have at least one font to start the X server. |
| 14:01.09 | pipeline | Jemt: And in this case, that one font is "fixed". Either you don't have the fonts installed, or the font paths in your xorg.conf are wrong. |
| 14:01.11 | valdyn | infernix: sawfish |
| 14:01.24 | pipeline | Jemt: Have you been mixing etch/sid or etch/ubuntu packages? That's a probable cause. |
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| 14:01.51 | Jemt | pipeline: Ah, ok. Great. I also remember that I installed an additional package on my laptop to solve this problem - not sure which one though |
| 14:01.58 | valdyn | infernix: google 'sawfish script' |
| 14:02.02 | Jemt | pipeline: Nope, clean Debian |
| 14:02.52 | valdyn | !fixed |
| 14:02.52 | dpkg | if you have a problem XFree86 it not finding 'fixed' font, see fonts.alias, or /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz, or make sure xfonts-base is installed, or purge and reinstall it, or see fontfix, or if you are having trouble with xorg r7, see http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 |
| 14:02.59 | infernix | valdyn: thanks, sawfish-client looks promising |
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| 14:03.05 | zob000 | thanks |
| 14:03.07 | Jemt | valdyn: Thanks :) |
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| 14:05.48 | Jemt | valdyn && pipeline: That solved my problem - thanks, guys |
| 14:05.51 | Jemt | :) |
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| 14:12.30 | xristos | anyone has the core duo mac mini ? |
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| 14:22.40 | alot_not_a_word | rawr |
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| 14:23.18 | synie | hello |
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| 14:26.25 | synie | i am running a small process on my webserver. now i want to monitor this process. is it possible to get the average CPU and RAM load ? |
| 14:27.13 | nvz | ps |
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| 14:30.34 | hoot | whoa this channel is good today |
| 14:30.44 | hoot | so busy and entertaining |
| 14:30.55 | dutche- | lol |
| 14:30.56 | hoot | i'm learning a lot, jenney |
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| 14:31.33 | LoRez | ok Forest. |
| 14:31.52 | hoot | i was shot in the buttocks |
| 14:31.57 | hoot | do you want to see |
| 14:33.22 | hoot | LoRez how is Idoru |
| 14:33.36 | LoRez | /whois idoru ;) |
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| 14:34.50 | hoot | http://www.antonraubenweiss.com/gibson/gibson2.html |
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| 14:35.02 | hoot | you name |
| 14:35.07 | hoot | i thought you know |
| 14:35.35 | LoRez | I created the first generation of Idoru (the bot) |
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| 14:35.58 | hoot | what does it do |
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| 14:36.37 | LoRez | monitors the network like a good AI should ;) |
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| 14:37.46 | hoot | "good" AI should be leaving a wake of death and destruction |
| 14:38.18 | LoRez | she does that too |
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| 14:39.36 | hoot | http://www.leisuretown.com/ .... here, have fun w/ this while i'm gone |
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| 14:40.08 | TARZEAU | where can i get a list of pci id the 0200 part of: 0000:06:08.0 0200: 8086:1064 (rev 01) |
| 14:40.22 | TARZEAU | usually 0401: is for sound/audio cards. what means 0403: ? |
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| 14:44.30 | TARZEAU | where can i find pci classes list? |
| 14:44.50 | kspath | TARZEAU: /usr/share/misc/pci.ids ? |
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| 14:46.42 | TARZEAU | kspath: no |
| 14:46.50 | TARZEAU | kspath: that's not the nnnn: part is it? |
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| 14:48.52 | Sir-vince | How do i make "testuser" able to use /sbin/iptables without being prompted for password in /etc/sudoers ? |
| 14:49.09 | kspath | TARZEAU: man update-pciids |
| 14:49.19 | Maulkin | Sir-vince: man sudoers |
| 14:49.36 | Sir-vince | have already tried that, but can't get it working |
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| 14:49.56 | Sir-vince | found something about NOPASSWD, but when i add that it just fails when reloading sudo |
| 14:49.59 | TARZEAU | kspath: no it's not THAT |
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| 14:50.03 | TARZEAU | kspath: do an lspci -n |
| 14:50.12 | NetBandit | hi there |
| 14:50.13 | NetBandit | can someone tell me in which packet is dig or nslookup? |
| 14:50.15 | TARZEAU | kspath: do you see the 2nd number from left? seperated by spaces? |
| 14:50.19 | NetBandit | cannot find it with aptitude.. |
| 14:50.21 | TARZEAU | kspath: i need the meaning of those values |
| 14:50.24 | NetBandit | any clues? |
| 14:50.26 | TARZEAU | kspath: that's NOT in pciids |
| 14:50.40 | kspath | TARZEAU: did you READ man update-pciids yet? |
| 14:50.54 | TARZEAU | kspath: i've used it many times yes |
| 14:50.59 | TARZEAU | kspath: and i've checked its webpage too |
| 14:51.04 | Sir-vince | NetBandit i normally use "host" |
| 14:51.10 | TARZEAU | kspath: the value i want to know more about is NOT a PCI ID |
| 14:51.15 | TARZEAU | kspath: did you read what i asked? |
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| 14:52.32 | NetBandit | okay, thanks |
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| 14:57.08 | cahoot | Sir-vince: you use visuod to make sure syntax is correct? |
| 14:57.14 | modern | hi |
| 14:57.15 | StAfZe6 | hello |
| 14:57.16 | cahoot | Sir-vince: visudo |
| 14:57.38 | Sir-vince | i just wrote "mcedit /etc/sudoers" |
| 14:57.47 | cahoot | Sir-vince: use visudo |
| 14:57.51 | Sir-vince | ok |
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| 15:04.13 | gs | hi |
| 15:04.25 | gs | someone with ati and direct rendering? |
| 15:04.59 | gs | i use radeon or fglrx but i don't have direct rendering... |
| 15:05.03 | gs | ;( |
| 15:05.24 | centrx | what about it |
| 15:06.48 | gs | i have loade radeon, drm agpgart modules and in xorg.xonf driver "radeon" |
| 15:06.56 | gs | no errors for radeon |
| 15:07.00 | gs | but no direct |
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| 15:07.37 | gs | (**) RADEON(0): Initializing Acceleration |
| 15:07.37 | gs | (II) RADEON(0): Render acceleration enabled |
| 15:08.32 | gs | some ideas? |
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| 15:11.00 | gs | ooouuch |
| 15:11.00 | Jemt | !tell gs about enter |
| 15:11.00 | gs | (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/libGLcore.so |
| 15:11.00 | gs | (EE) Failed to load module "GLcore" (loader failed, 7) |
| 15:11.00 | Jemt | !tell gs about pastebin |
| 15:11.03 | gs | ok sorry ;) |
| 15:11.07 | Jemt | gs: :) |
| 15:12.05 | nvz | man I just used one of these damn all-in-one card readers for the first time.. they are a PITA, its so damn hard to figure out how to get the damn sd card in that multislot contraption |
| 15:12.55 | Nei | ;) |
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| 15:16.13 | nvz | bah that was nothing compared to how impossible it is to get windows to actually access the fucking thing |
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| 15:16.50 | nvz | I got a multicard reader built in to the front of the pc and one built in on the front of the all in one printer and cant get access to my data on either |
| 15:16.55 | tsuna | Hello. How can I downgrade a package to a particular version? For instance I have libruby1.8 version 1.8.4-5 installed and I'd like to downgrade to the first version before this one (eg, 1.8.4-4) |
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| 15:17.27 | nvz | tsuna: downgrading is neither possible or recommended |
| 15:17.43 | nvz | tsuna: if you better describe the problem you may have another option |
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| 15:18.17 | tsuna | well the latest version of ruby is breaking some ruby applications I *need* now so I'd like to downgrade until they patch the ruby apps I'm using |
| 15:18.18 | nvz | the package management system doesnt support downgrades |
| 15:18.42 | tsuna | I can't believe it... this is amazing |
| 15:18.52 | brosioz | a c function can return only one type ? |
| 15:19.00 | tsuna | brosioz: yes |
| 15:19.01 | nvz | tsuna: you might want to check for the package on snapshot or something the version you need and install it manually using dpkg |
| 15:19.06 | tsuna | brosioz: unless you use an union |
| 15:19.30 | nvz | tsuna: you may break your package system in doing this as the two ruby packages will conflict and other packages will depend on the newer version |
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| 15:19.35 | tsuna | nvz: yes that's an option indeed, where can I find the particular .deb I'm looking for? |
| 15:19.35 | brosioz | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:19.42 | brosioz | could do that wih union ? |
| 15:19.44 | DevilChaos | hi all |
| 15:19.54 | Melodic | hi |
| 15:20.07 | abrotman | brosioz: ##c |
| 15:20.13 | tsuna | brosioz: yes but this is not recommanded, unions are usually not a good programming practice |
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| 15:20.24 | DevilChaos | what pkg can i use to access and transport mp3s to my portable mp3 player? |
| 15:20.27 | nvz | tsuna: you may need to use equivs to satisfy any angry packages depending on libruby1.8.4-5 and then maybe say a prayer.. if you dont believe in god, pray to something you do believe in like the sun |
| 15:20.41 | nvz | tsuna: what distro are you using? |
| 15:20.52 | tsuna | nvz: (lol) equivs? what's that? |
| 15:20.59 | tsuna | nvz: debian testing (etch) |
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| 15:21.20 | DevilChaos | etch is gooooood |
| 15:21.29 | brosioz | tsuna: may a struct |
| 15:21.32 | brosioz | is better ? |
| 15:21.34 | nvz | tsuna: equivs tries to create a dummy package that satisfies a package you dont want to install.. generally when you've installed something else by other means to satisfy the dependency |
| 15:21.40 | DevilChaos | debian kicks distro butt |
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| 15:22.18 | DevilChaos | nvz: you know what pkg i could use for mp3 player? |
| 15:22.18 | nvz | DevilChaos: you would use cp generally, its already installed part of coreutils IIRC |
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| 15:22.27 | nvz | DevilChaos: after all cp is for copying files |
| 15:22.43 | DevilChaos | yeah but i need to access the device first |
| 15:22.51 | nvz | umm, then plug it in |
| 15:22.58 | DevilChaos | yeah plugged in |
| 15:23.03 | nvz | then mount it |
| 15:23.09 | DevilChaos | lights are on but nobody home |
| 15:23.13 | nvz | heh |
| 15:23.20 | DevilChaos | he he |
| 15:23.51 | DevilChaos | how do i know what device it is to mount as i have it plugged in through usb? |
| 15:24.16 | cahoot | check dmesg |
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| 15:24.32 | DevilChaos | k |
| 15:25.16 | topa | deb-installer problem, when I boot of a etch CD1 and run the installer, it says it cant find the kernel module for the CDROM and asks me to select one |
| 15:25.16 | nvz | tsuna: are you sure its called libruby? I am not seeing it on the mirror I am looking at. |
| 15:25.35 | tsuna | nvz: libruby1.8 |
| 15:25.40 | topa | no matter which module I select , it says cdrom not found |
| 15:25.56 | topa | this is a weekly snapshot CD |
| 15:26.03 | tsuna | nvz: I found it @ http://snapshot.debian.net/archive/2006/06/11/debian/pool/main/r/ruby1.8/libruby1.8_1.8.4-4_i386.deb |
| 15:26.10 | nvz | tsuna: only libru* I see is librudiments0/ |
| 15:26.36 | nvz | tsuna: ah, well you took my inital advice on snapshot.. I was checking to see if it was lingering on the official mirrors |
| 15:27.10 | nvz | ah, I was looking in pool/libr/ and its in pool/r/ |
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| 15:28.53 | Draghoulic | hello |
| 15:29.02 | nvz | Hello |
| 15:29.06 | DevilChaos | cant find anything to mount |
| 15:29.21 | nvz | then you probably need to load a driver |
| 15:29.21 | DevilChaos | rythembox pops up when i connect it |
| 15:29.37 | nvz | o.O |
| 15:29.41 | DevilChaos | ? |
| 15:29.57 | DevilChaos | o.O |
| 15:29.59 | cahoot | DevilChaos: the kernel acknowledges the device when it's plugged in? (dmesg) |
| 15:30.05 | Draghoulix | I've decided to switch from a windows mail server to a linux mail server |
| 15:30.09 | Draghoulix | using Debian |
| 15:30.11 | DevilChaos | usb 1-7: USB disconnect, address 3 |
| 15:30.11 | DevilChaos | usb 1-7: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 4 |
| 15:30.12 | DevilChaos | usb 1-7: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice |
| 15:30.18 | Draghoulix | but I find configuring postfix very hard |
| 15:30.24 | nvz | try modprobe usb-storage |
| 15:30.30 | nvz | then check dmesg again |
| 15:30.57 | Draghoulix | Does anyone have any experience configuring postfix? ( I'm behind a router and have a dynamic IP ) |
| 15:31.08 | tsuna | nvz: I installed libruby1.8 1.8.4-4 with dpkg -i but it doesn't work either I need to downgrade to an earlier version. How can I uninstall this version of libruby1.8? dpkg -r libruby1.8 yields an error ("dependency problems prevent removal of libruby1.8") |
| 15:31.46 | nvz | tsuna: you forgot to pray first.. I told you there would be angry packages |
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| 15:32.00 | Draghoulix | Does anyone have any experience configuring postfix? ( I'm behind a router and have a dynamic IP ) |
| 15:32.06 | wols_ | tsuna: dpkg --force-help |
| 15:32.26 | wols_ | Draghoulix: #postfix is best for this |
| 15:32.33 | broadcaster | i have a very weird problem on a debian box. when i try to compile a kernel with ARCH=um (user-mode-linux) i get: " ld: cannot find -lstdc++". i need hints on tracking don the problem. also, UMLs don't run perfectly on that box, the get stopped when i background them. |
| 15:32.40 | wols_ | only special thing for you is: you need a smarthost |
| 15:32.53 | Draghoulix | wols_, ok |
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| 15:32.59 | Draghoulix | wols_, a smarthost? |
| 15:33.04 | DevilChaos | ok i get promt bk from that its has initiated |
| 15:33.05 | nvz | wols_: can you force the old to install along side the new and satisfy the packages depending, or is removing the newer and satisfying them with equivs the way to go as I suggested earlier? |
| 15:33.22 | wols_ | you deliver all your outgoing mail to the smarthost, the smarthost then delivers it for you |
| 15:33.26 | cahoot | Draghoulix: IIRC postfix calls it relayhost |
| 15:33.31 | DevilChaos | got to go bk later |
| 15:33.32 | wols_ | otherwise many mailservers won't accept mail from you |
| 15:33.35 | nvz | I would think the two packages would contain the same files and couldnt co-exist |
| 15:33.54 | Draghoulix | cahoot wols_, thanks, I'll use my ISP's mail sender for that |
| 15:34.20 | wols_ | nvz: first remove otherwise you most probably would overwrite files, which is no good |
| 15:34.50 | wols_ | you can force old and new to be installed at the same time of course. just the result would be ugly imho |
| 15:34.50 | cahoot | Draghoulix: I suspect you also will have to rewrite your sender adress |
| 15:35.21 | wols_ | cahoot: never had that problem. just as long as my mail comes from a reputable MTA |
| 15:35.35 | nvz | tsuna: I am standing by my original solution of removing the new lib and the installing the old, and satisfying any angry packages with equivs and praying that they work with the old lib |
| 15:35.37 | wols_ | reputable IP that is |
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| 15:36.04 | wols_ | broadcaster: is libstc++ installed? |
| 15:36.47 | nvz | tsuna: and promise me you wont file any bugs against packages depending on libruby1.8 >= 1.8.4-5 :P |
| 15:37.20 | nvz | make a note and stick it to your monitor |
| 15:37.45 | tsuna | hehe :) |
| 15:37.55 | nvz | "I intentionally broke packages depending on libruby1.8 >= 1.8.4-5 and will not file useless bug reports against them to confuse the developers" |
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| 15:38.10 | broadcaster | wols_: libstdc++6 4.1.1-5 -> YES |
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| 15:39.46 | nvz | man this damn windows XP is giving me greif, and I would expect no less cause I know that PC is like AC, doesnt work with windows open |
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| 15:40.23 | row | nvz: LOL |
| 15:40.29 | wols_ | what are you trying to do? |
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| 15:41.30 | nvz | I am trying to get my music from my mp3 player's SD card so I can listen to it without running down the battery on my mp3 player |
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| 15:41.42 | nvz | I got two damn sd card readers, one in the PC and one in the Printer |
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| 15:42.21 | broadcaster | OH DAMN SHIT! |
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| 15:42.43 | nvz | I stopped both devices because neither showed my data when I plugged the card in and I stopped them in the safely remove hardware so I could "safely remove my hardware" without it causing some kind of data loss.. you never know with these damn microsoft people |
| 15:42.58 | nvz | now I cant get either of the card readers to show up anymore in windows |
| 15:42.59 | broadcaster | i have been trying to find the f*** solution for weeks and now what do i see in my environment? "LDFLAGS=-lstdc++" - aaaarrrrrggg! |
| 15:43.13 | cahoot | nvz: sounds plenty safe |
| 15:43.50 | Draghoulix | broadcaster, that sucks... big time |
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| 15:44.03 | broadcaster | removed it - voila! |
| 15:44.28 | broadcaster | must have been a very old setting taken from a tutorial... years ago... put into .bashrc... no wonder... *sigh* |
| 15:44.33 | nvz | the thing is, MS is spying on this PC of course, cause apperently thats what they do.. and they know I am a linux user so they are just fucking with me! if my grandmother was sitting here trying to get pictures off her camera, and she put an SD card in, it would just pop up that little window and ask her what she wanted to do with the newly mounted volume |
| 15:45.00 | broadcaster | i guess, if i compile my UML on that machine now, it'll work |
| 15:45.09 | nvz | I guess I have to reboot, thats the MSCE solution for everything :P |
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| 15:45.46 | sparr | (how) can i partition a device noninteractively using fdisk? |
| 15:46.13 | nvz | that sounds scary |
| 15:46.26 | LinuxHelp | I have a question (debs testing): how can I allow my user to set negative nice levels? |
| 15:46.29 | nvz | I like my partitioning to be as interactive as possible |
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| 15:46.49 | sparr | nvz: i usually do too, but im trying to make a script to partition/format a sd card |
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| 15:47.02 | broadcaster | sparr: you have to use dd |
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| 15:47.29 | sparr | broadcaster: i dont know the size of the card (and thus the size of the paritition) in advance |
| 15:47.40 | broadcaster | sparr: you can save the partition table with dd, then write it onto another drive. should work, as long as geometry/size are identical. |
| 15:47.45 | sparr | it isnt |
| 15:47.47 | broadcaster | sparr: :-( |
| 15:48.05 | nvz | I found out you dont have to partition those things.. I got a USB flash drive from my dad's company they were giving to employees as gifts.. and I was all confused the first time I tried to mount it and fdisk reported like 4 partitions none would mount.. turned out there was no partition table the fs was just put right on the device |
| 15:48.12 | broadcaster | sparr: isn't there such thing as "growable" partitions? what file system are you going to use? |
| 15:48.20 | sparr | nvz: i know, but i want it partitioned |
| 15:48.27 | sparr | broadcaster: vfat |
| 15:48.38 | broadcaster | sparr: btw, you can just create vfat without a partition table. |
| 15:48.47 | broadcaster | any filesystem |
| 15:48.56 | nvz | *shrug* you must have big flash media.. I wouldnt want to partition my little flash media |
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| 15:48.57 | broadcaster | on a sd card |
| 15:49.03 | sparr | that is a function of (mostly) broken mmc drivers :) |
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| 15:49.10 | sparr | nvz: 4GB x multiple cards |
| 15:49.17 | meriad | hey |
| 15:49.19 | meriad | how come when i run |
| 15:49.22 | nvz | I got a 128mb flash drive, 128mb mp3 player and a 256mb sd card for the mp3 player.. heh |
| 15:49.29 | simmerz | how do i change the case of files? for example foo.JPG to foo.jpg? |
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| 15:49.36 | meriad | ssh -i /root/.ssh/id_dsa root@box sh -c "mv /var/log/apache2/access_log /var/log/apache2/access.tmp && /etc/init.d/apache2" it says MV missing operand |
| 15:49.38 | meriad | or smething |
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| 15:49.58 | cahoot | simmerz: install and use rename |
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| 15:51.08 | dumezil | whats that command that shows you all the logins and logoffs and reboots? |
| 15:51.09 | nvz | simmerz: lots of ways to do that. I usually script my renames cause they are usually complicated. but in the case the are all definatly .JPG and need to be .jpg thats a simple regular expression |
| 15:51.44 | tsuna | nvz: thanks it's working now |
| 15:51.45 | tsuna | cya |
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| 15:51.52 | nvz | bye |
| 15:52.03 | LinuxHelp | or rather, er it seems nice -20 works for my user, but whats the package called for the gnome process list gui app? |
| 15:52.11 | broadcaster | sparr: i assume, automatic partitioning is not possible. you would always have to know the geometry in advance. maybe you can use fdisk's code and compile yourself an autmatic partitioning tool by doing some fancy calculations. |
| 15:52.15 | simmerz | nvz, actually the whole filename needs to be converted to lower case |
| 15:52.23 | nvz | LinuxHelp: gnome-system-monitor |
| 15:52.29 | LinuxHelp | thx |
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| 15:52.54 | nvz | LinuxHelp: its more than just a process monitor, has graphs of cpu/mem usage as well as filesystem usage..etc |
| 15:53.05 | LinuxHelp | great |
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| 15:53.59 | simmerz | nvz: found a script. sorted |
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| 15:57.05 | nvz | top three hits on google for "linux man pages" either doesnt contain "rename" or has nothing even resembling the rename(1) manpage.. its all abbreviated and doesnt even show the proper syntax or description how the hell am I suppose to reference things when I am not on linux ffs :P |
| 15:57.25 | LinuxHelp | Ah: nice: cannot set niceness: Permission denied , so how can I enable "negative" nice for my user? |
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| 15:58.06 | nvz | furthermore why do these idiots bother putting these so-called man pages online when they are obviously rewritten from memory by retards or people who have never seen the man page or used the program |
| 15:58.18 | LinuxHelp | lol |
| 15:58.19 | biopyte | OT: sorry for this offtopic question. how can i search for channels that particularly interest me? actually, i'd like to find a channel where i can ask for an affordable hotel or b&b in Boston, Mass.. |
| 15:58.41 | SlayerXP | biopyte: I'm sorry you asked that question, too. |
| 15:58.47 | nvz | heh |
| 15:58.55 | nvz | you should google. |
| 15:59.10 | Bushmills | nvz, look at http://tldp.org |
| 15:59.14 | nvz | Merriam-Webster officially lists google as a verb now I saw in the news |
| 15:59.43 | biopyte | nvz: is there site that lets you search for the topics of all channels outthere? |
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| 16:01.06 | nvz | all links to so-called man pages on tldp.org are wrong too.. this is not the rename(1) manpage, ffs. http://www.phpman.info/index.php?parameter=rename&mode=man |
| 16:01.30 | nvz | the rename synopsis contains options and regular expressions.. its being described trivially the same as mv there |
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| 16:01.46 | nvz | thats not even worth reading any retard could assume that much |
| 16:01.52 | meriad | hehe |
| 16:01.55 | meriad | IM A RETARD |
| 16:01.57 | meriad | :> |
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| 16:02.08 | meriad | nvz- my little brother is retarded :| |
| 16:02.13 | meriad | nvz- you makin fun of tards? |
| 16:02.30 | nvz | only if they write manpages and post them online |
| 16:02.36 | meriad | lol |
| 16:02.48 | nvz | because its not funny |
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| 16:02.59 | meriad | od omve da lile err type umm ... TO BE CONTINUED |
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| 16:03.09 | nvz | writing technical documentation is not for mentally challenged, I am sorry |
| 16:03.16 | meriad | no it's not :) |
| 16:03.21 | meriad | you're entirely correct |
| 16:03.26 | meriad | that's one thing my boss was very insistant about |
| 16:03.32 | sparr | you obviously havent read much technical documentation :) |
| 16:03.37 | nvz | heh |
| 16:03.39 | meriad | sparr- haha |
| 16:03.43 | meriad | sparr- i think thats the whole point |
| 16:03.45 | a-atwood | Actually, given the results of most of it, I would disagree |
| 16:03.52 | meriad | alot of retards are writing tech docs |
| 16:03.54 | sparr | im with a-atwood :) |
| 16:03.58 | meriad | which makes it really hard to find good tech docs :P |
| 16:04.25 | a-atwood | and when the engineers write it, it's even worse |
| 16:04.42 | nvz | the mv manpage looks right.. but I swear rename manpage contains more than that incorrect synopsis and shitty examples |
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| 16:04.49 | meriad | haha |
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| 16:05.09 | meriad | nvz- they are freely contributed by people that spend countless hours on these applicatiosn and by various donators |
| 16:05.22 | meriad | nvz- free stuff can't be as freely critized cause if you don't like it, you don't have to use it |
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| 16:05.24 | spaceboyy | could anyone please gelp me with hosts.deny and hosts.allow |
| 16:05.27 | meriad | nvz- or you can simply submit a fix :P |
| 16:05.29 | nvz | yeah well the manpage isnt wrong.. the online versions I find are wrong |
| 16:05.52 | stew | nvz: rename on other distros (redhat for example) is much different, make sure you are finding the correct rename |
| 16:05.53 | meriad | anyhow i was goign to say |
| 16:05.53 | nvz | maybe that was the rename manpage like over half a decade ago |
| 16:06.01 | meriad | the writing technical documentation is an art |
| 16:06.04 | a-atwood | I've worked in embedded systems, business systems, manufacturing systems. Put me on documentation and I'm like a monkey with a math problem. |
| 16:06.15 | meriad | you have to be able to write something people that aren't computer literate can use and understand |
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| 16:06.28 | libertad0 | hi room |
| 16:06.37 | meriad | it's really easy to talk in nerd , speaking english on the otherhand I find people to be quite challanged in. |
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| 16:06.59 | nvz | I think the sudoers manpage is nearly impossible to grok unless you are already a sudo master who has written many of sudoers files |
| 16:07.00 | libertad0 | Someone had have dependences problems with linux-kbuild-2.6.17 |
| 16:07.00 | libertad0 | ? |
| 16:07.04 | stew | nvz: http://vireo.org/tmp/rename.1.txt |
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| 16:07.11 | spaceboyy | could anyone please gelp me with hosts.deny and hosts.allow |
| 16:07.14 | stew | nvz: thats from a sid system |
| 16:07.18 | nvz | perfect example of documentation a newbie cant just pickup and read |
| 16:07.18 | meriad | nvz- i dont think the sudoers man is bad |
| 16:07.21 | meriad | stew: :P |
| 16:07.29 | libertad0 | I am trying install my linux headers, but show a dependences error linux-kbuild-2.6.17 |
| 16:07.35 | meriad | stew: both the commands im wrapping in the shell are being invoked on the remote end |
| 16:07.36 | nvz | meriad: me either, but I know how to sudoers works already |
| 16:07.43 | libertad0 | linux-kbuild-2.6.17 is a non-installable package |
| 16:07.43 | meriad | stew- i cant understand why MV doesnt werk stil :P |
| 16:07.44 | stew | libertad0: linux-kbuild is not yet in debian |
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| 16:07.59 | libertad0 | stew, then? |
| 16:08.02 | nvz | spaceboyy: please help us help you, but helping yourself, ask a better question. |
| 16:08.10 | libertad0 | stew, When? |
| 16:08.10 | nvz | s/but/by/ |
| 16:08.12 | stew | libertad0: i didn't understand the question |
| 16:08.30 | stew | libertad0: its in the new queue, there is no way to predict how long it will be in the new queue |
| 16:08.31 | meriad | stew- Boy! You live, eat and sleep DEBIAN dontcha!? :> |
| 16:08.35 | stew | meriad: i do |
| 16:08.40 | meriad | stew: I fail to recall a time you haven't been around :> |
| 16:08.40 | stew | meriad: what exactly are you trying to do? |
| 16:08.44 | libertad0 | stew, When linux-kbuild-2.6.17 will be on debian? |
| 16:08.55 | meriad | stew: over ssh i want to move the apache log to a temp location and restart the server |
| 16:08.59 | meriad | stew: then scp it over :P |
| 16:08.59 | libertad0 | stew, ok |
| 16:09.03 | nvz | spaceboyy: I would go out on a limb and say that probably anyone in here could answer most any question about /etc/hosts* but not if you dont ask a question about them |
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| 16:09.26 | LinuxHelp | Its just I need to increase the priority of my xscreensaver... I have the nice working, just that negative doesnt work at all |
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| 16:09.37 | stew | libertad0: it's not possible to know. its in NEW becuase it needs manual checking, that manual checking could determine that it is not fit for debian and it will never be in new. somethings are only in new for a few hours, some things get stuck in new for months |
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| 16:09.48 | spaceboyy | o |
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| 16:10.23 | Silent_al | hello , when i partition a HD to several FAT32 partitions with GParted , do i need to format then aswell? (with mkfs.vfat) |
| 16:10.35 | Silent_al | them* |
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| 16:10.58 | stew | meriad: oh, didn't we figure out that ssh user@remotehost sh -c "mv foo bar && /etc/init.d/apache restart" would do it? |
| 16:11.01 | nvz | LinuxHelp: heh, and why the hell would you want to raise the priority of xscreensaver.. its hardly an application of priority by any means.. by the way, when's the last time you had a cat scan? |
| 16:11.06 | LinuxHelp | And I dont really know how to create a sudo-script type thing, caus neither su or sudo allows you to specify password |
| 16:11.18 | stew | meriad: or maybe ssh user@remotehost sh -c \"mv foo bar \&\& /etc/init.d/apache restart\" would do it? |
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| 16:11.38 | LinuxHelp | nvz, My screensaver GLITCHES every single time the hd is accessed |
| 16:11.40 | nvz | LinuxHelp: both su and sudo require you to specify a password |
| 16:11.42 | jaxvi_ | hi |
| 16:11.43 | stew | meriad: or of course ssh user@remotehost mv foo bar && ssh user@remotehost /etc/init.d/... |
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| 16:11.54 | libertad0 | stew, Oh my god. I need compile my rt2500 drivers but before I need install my linux headers |
| 16:11.55 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I mean in a script, |
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| 16:12.00 | nvz | LinuxHelp: I would just apt-get --purge remove xscreensaver :P |
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| 16:12.12 | nvz | LinuxHelp: you do or do not want it to ask for a password? |
| 16:12.13 | LinuxHelp | nvz, well I suppose you could pipe the password |
| 16:12.17 | jaxvi_ | i've a problem with my /sbin |
| 16:12.19 | LinuxHelp | no ask |
| 16:12.29 | nvz | LinuxHelp: start by running visudo as root |
| 16:12.39 | libertad0 | stew, that is the bug http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.linux.debian.devel.bugs.general/111775 |
| 16:12.47 | jaxvi_ | it seems to have failed something and noe /sbin doesn't have attributes |
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| 16:12.56 | jaxvi_ | it is not a directory for example |
| 16:12.57 | jaxvi_ | :s |
| 16:13.01 | jaxvi_ | help needed |
| 16:13.19 | jaxvi_ | any idea? how to reset the /sbin original attribs ?? |
| 16:13.25 | LinuxHelp | nvz, okay yes I can sudo |
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| 16:13.44 | nvz | LinuxHelp: assuming your user is foo, and you you want to run /usr/bin/bar as root without a password add a line foo ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/bar |
| 16:13.52 | stew | libertad0: use 2.6.16 then |
| 16:13.53 | nvz | LinuxHelp: no visudo |
| 16:14.26 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I want it just for my user |
| 16:14.34 | libertad0 | stew, better |
| 16:14.35 | nvz | DUH! |
| 16:14.57 | LinuxHelp | nvz, well ALL= seems a bit excessive |
| 16:15.12 | stew | isn't rt2500 now integrated into the mainline kerenl? |
| 16:15.17 | stew | i thought i had heard that |
| 16:15.18 | nvz | LinuxHelp: the ALL doesnt apply to the user, the foo is the user |
| 16:15.38 | LinuxHelp | oh missed out the foo 8/ |
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| 16:15.46 | nvz | ALL is the hosts |
| 16:16.06 | libertad0 | stew, I go to reboot and run my old kernel :( |
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| 16:16.43 | Stork | how can i find out how many files and folders there are in a dir? (recursively) |
| 16:17.00 | nvz | LinuxHelp: you could optionally substitute ALL with your machines hostname.. but ALL is easier and wont be invalid if you change the hostname |
| 16:17.05 | stew | Stork: find | wc -l |
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| 16:17.34 | stew | Stork: or find /dir | wc -l |
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| 16:17.52 | Stork | hmm |
| 16:17.54 | StormBlade | is there a program in kde or gnome to make files tar.gz archives easily |
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| 16:18.37 | nvz | LinuxHelp: from linux manual pages section 5, sudoers: "ray rushmore = NOPASSWD: /bin/kill, /bin/ls, /usr/bin/lprm would allow the user ray to run /bin/kill, /bin/ls, and /usr/bin/lprm as root on the machine rushmore as root without authenticating himself." |
| 16:19.11 | LinuxHelp | misha ALL=NOPASSWD:/usr/bin/nice |
| 16:19.26 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I REALLY need to install the proper man pages content |
| 16:20.02 | znx | LinuxHelp: you can even use regex style stuff to fix the arguements that they are allowed to use .. |
| 16:20.03 | nvz | if you dont have the manpages installed on your system you should take yourself outside (as not to make a mess on the computer) and shoot yourself and consider it a favor |
| 16:20.17 | Stork | how can i find out what files are missing in two different directories that are supposed to be a mirror of eachother |
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| 16:20.29 | znx | Stork: diff |
| 16:20.33 | LinuxHelp | nvz, I have like the extreme summaries version |
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| 16:20.43 | Administrator_ | whereis mail ? What path can mail be found? |
| 16:21.08 | znx | Stork: diff -qr a/ b/ ... "File is only in A" .. etc |
| 16:21.08 | Stork | znx, i forgot to mention one is on a windows pc :\ |
| 16:21.14 | znx | oh .. suckage |
| 16:21.35 | Stork | yeah ;\ |
| 16:21.36 | nvz | LinuxHelp: never heard of truncated or summerized manual pages, but it sounds like you would need two copies.. one to shit on and another to cover it up with |
| 16:21.44 | znx | Stork: mount via samba .. hhehe :P |
| 16:21.53 | nvz | LinuxHelp: maybe a few more to wipe on |
| 16:21.57 | LinuxHelp | nvz, okay that was disgusting |
| 16:22.17 | nvz | yeah so was the thought of incomplete manuals |
| 16:22.17 | fourat | hello all |
| 16:23.11 | meriad | stew- that borked my web server |
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| 16:23.31 | meriad | stew: so obviously thats not what i want to be using |
| 16:23.44 | znx | meriad: what was it that you were doing? |
| 16:23.56 | Stork | znx, is it possible to get like an ls -R from windows and save it as a text file, then compare? |
| 16:24.11 | meriad | znx- im trying to ssh user@remotehost sh -c "mv foo bar && /etc/init.d/apache restart" |
| 16:24.13 | znx | Stork: windows doesnt have ls ? |
| 16:24.20 | meriad | znx- accept it says MV invalid opperand or something |
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| 16:24.26 | meriad | znx- or MISSING OPERAND or some garbage.. |
| 16:24.29 | Stork | znx, dir then |
| 16:24.33 | nvz | its sad people are too stupid to ask questions |
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| 16:24.50 | znx | Stork: you could .. but .. well its not going to be a direct diff at the other end .. :\ |
| 16:24.57 | znx | Stork: maybe dirtree ? |
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| 16:25.57 | znx | meriad: if it failed the move .. it would not have done the apache |
| 16:26.10 | Stork | grr |
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| 16:26.11 | meriad | znx: ya, but he gave me this |
| 16:26.13 | znx | also .. why not just ssh to the box and do it manually |
| 16:26.18 | Stork | i have a feeling scp missed out a few files from the backup |
| 16:26.25 | meriad | znx: ssh user@remotehost sh -c \"mv foo bar \&\& /etc/init.d/apache restart\" |
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| 16:26.36 | znx | meriad: thats really ugly |
| 16:26.38 | meriad | znx: yes |
| 16:26.41 | meriad | znx: and erally doesnt werk |
| 16:26.43 | meriad | znx: ::p |
| 16:26.48 | znx | heh |
| 16:26.50 | meriad | znx: so im trying to ask how it will work |
| 16:26.50 | nvz | Stork: thats why there's rsync |
| 16:26.58 | meriad | znx: to do it so it works |
| 16:27.04 | Stork | nvz, is there an rsync equiv for windows? |
| 16:27.17 | nvz | yeah, its probably called rsync :P |
| 16:27.22 | Myon | I'm sure there are rsync binaries for win32 |
| 16:27.33 | znx | meriad: dont use the sh -c .. |
| 16:27.38 | meriad | znx: i know the first one doesnt werk, and the second one does but it wont start apache2 again it tells me address already in use could bind to address no listening sockets available shutting down, unable to open logs |
| 16:27.41 | znx | and all that \ \ \ escaping! |
| 16:27.41 | znx | heh |
| 16:27.45 | meriad | znx: just use brackets? |
| 16:27.48 | znx | no |
| 16:27.50 | meriad | znx: i mean quotes |
| 16:27.55 | znx | ssh user@user "mv a b" |
| 16:27.57 | znx | yeah |
| 16:28.04 | meriad | znx: k |
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| 16:28.17 | nvz | hmm maybe putty doesnt do rsync.. /me looks elsewhere |
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| 16:29.09 | stew | nvz: putty provides plink.exe which should be able to rsync |
| 16:29.14 | nvz | neither does gnuwin32 |
| 16:29.22 | znx | meriad: the "already bound" .. sounds like the start never stopped? |
| 16:29.24 | meriad | znx- i'll see if that works ok :P give me 5 minutes |
| 16:29.26 | meriad | znx: ya :P |
| 16:29.30 | meriad | znx: ti does, but it said it did |
| 16:29.33 | meriad | znx: oh well we' |
| 16:29.36 | meriad | znx: oh well we'l see |
| 16:29.37 | znx | :) |
| 16:29.46 | meriad | znx i'll know if this works in about 4 minutes |
| 16:29.57 | znx | ok |
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| 16:31.10 | stew | meriad: yeah "already bound" means that the init script was called but the stop failed, (maybe it was started somehow other than the initscript) |
| 16:31.23 | meriad | stew: i'm well aware of what it means :P |
| 16:31.27 | meriad | stew: i just dont see why it failed |
| 16:31.33 | meriad | stew: especially since it told me it stopped ok :P |
| 16:32.22 | meriad | stew: obviously you cant bind to a sockets thats already being used :> thats networking 1 o 1 :P |
| 16:32.30 | znx | hehe |
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| 16:32.52 | stoned | stew, hi |
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| 16:33.04 | stoned | stew, thanks for not spoonfeeding my the answer last night about my font problem |
| 16:33.16 | stoned | stew, I figured it out and fixed it |
| 16:33.23 | stew | stoned: with switch2? |
| 16:33.28 | stoned | nah |
| 16:33.37 | stoned | I used an older gtk2-bin package |
| 16:33.40 | stew | then you don't have to thank me, iirc that's all i gave you |
| 16:33.43 | stew | :) |
| 16:33.47 | nvz | Stork: http://winrsync.sunsite.dk/files/WINrsync_latest.exe |
| 16:33.53 | stoned | hehe, word |
| 16:34.06 | znx | nvz: :o |
| 16:34.09 | znx | nice! |
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| 16:34.20 | stoned | stew, point being if you had told me exactly what I needed, I probably never would have bothered to figure it out on my own |
| 16:34.23 | nvz | I dont know how nice it is, I've never tried it |
| 16:34.30 | funkmaster | hey guys :) how do i find out what keeps a device busy, can't umount |
| 16:34.38 | Stork | nvz, don't worry about it, i got cygwin :) |
| 16:34.39 | nvz | funkmaster: lsof, fuser |
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| 16:34.43 | znx | Stork: dirtree looks like a quick way of getting lists of files recursively for comparing .. |
| 16:34.51 | meriad | hmmmmm |
| 16:34.53 | meriad | weird... |
| 16:35.00 | nvz | Stork: I dont care for cygwin, but whatever pulls your bandwagon |
| 16:35.03 | znx | Stork: also you can compare with gvim .. gvimdiff ;) |
| 16:35.12 | meriad | ./split-it.sh: line 11: gfile: command not found |
| 16:35.13 | meriad | haha |
| 16:35.21 | meriad | wtf is that.. i dont remember calling gfile |
| 16:35.37 | Stork | nvz, well i'm formatting the computerm i just need to make a backup of "My Documents" |
| 16:35.46 | Stork | i tried using an scp client but it missed like 80 files |
| 16:35.48 | Stork | which is NOT good |
| 16:36.18 | znx | Stork: scp is for one file really .. at a time |
| 16:36.25 | Stork | really? |
| 16:36.30 | znx | so you should have tar'd/zip'd .. and scp'd |
| 16:36.37 | Stork | yeah, maybe.. |
| 16:36.41 | meriad | znx: you can use it for multifiles, or recursive trees |
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| 16:36.43 | meriad | znx: it just sucks |
| 16:36.44 | Stork | but zipping 9GB isn't fun |
| 16:36.51 | nvz | Stork: well the WinXP has a slightly more intelligent way of organizing files grabbing /Documents and Settings/ is pretty much like grabbing /home on a linux system |
| 16:36.56 | znx | meriad: i know this .. hence i said "really" |
| 16:37.00 | meriad | znx- hehehe |
| 16:37.13 | meriad | znx- i remember using scp to copy a tree over once, and it kept itterating in a loop |
| 16:37.20 | znx | :) |
| 16:37.25 | nvz | Stork: contains My Documents, Pictures, Websites, Music..etc and "Favorites", Start Menu items, settings..etc |
| 16:37.42 | stew | they need to add "My Pornography" |
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| 16:37.44 | Soeki | !unzip |
| 16:37.44 | dpkg | from memory, unzip is a program to unzip (stangely enough) zip files. apt-get install unzip will install unzip-crypt, or you need non-us sources to get it because it has crypto stuff. |
| 16:38.00 | nvz | stew: isnt that a bit obvious? |
| 16:38.08 | znx | "non-us" .. that doesnt exist anymore .. no? |
| 16:38.12 | meriad | stew: ya, couldnt it be more subtle?! |
| 16:38.15 | stew | znx: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 16:38.30 | meriad | stew: what about.. "My Dirty Folder" |
| 16:38.42 | cahoot | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:38.44 | meriad | stew: or "Radioactive Contents" |
| 16:38.50 | znx | stew: i am commenting about the "unzip" factoid |
| 16:38.53 | stew | its not like My Music and My Documents are subtle |
| 16:39.04 | meriad | no they're direct and to the point |
| 16:39.07 | meriad | but pr0n isnt the same way! |
| 16:39.09 | stew | ahh |
| 16:39.17 | nvz | stew: you could just store it in C:\Program Files\ somewhere like most people do or on the D: drive.. nobody would ever think to look there. |
| 16:39.31 | stew | !unzip =~ s#, or you need non-us sources to get it because it has crypto stuff.## |
| 16:39.32 | dpkg | stew: OK |
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| 16:39.41 | znx | oooo nice :) |
| 16:39.47 | stew | nvz: i'm trying ot make it easier to find, not harder |
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| 16:40.16 | nvz | little do these people know when I get on their computer I am going to find files and folders and searching for *.jpg;*.bmp;*.gif;*.png larger than 20kb |
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| 16:40.30 | Schrodinger | I'm having trouble installing gnucash. Using AMD64 ETCH Debian. gnucash-common needs gnucash, but gnucash is not installable. Any help? |
| 16:40.43 | nvz | and their stash will surface reguardless of how cleverly they place it |
| 16:41.22 | cahoot | nvz: you rummage trough drawers when visiting people too? |
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| 16:41.50 | nvz | na they wouldnt keep anything in there.. too obvious.. |
| 16:43.32 | nvz | I think that happened to me not too long ago.. I let cara go into my bedroom last time she was over to get something off my night stand that was in plain sight and she took an aweful long time to come back.. so I figure she was nosing in my empty drawers.. I purposly took everything out of them before she came over |
| 16:44.02 | nvz | might have left a AA battery in there or something nothing significantly interesting |
| 16:44.16 | stoned | I have a question about bacports in my sarge laptop. I have pinned ALL packages from backports to 200 priority, however, when I try apt-get upgrade, it wants to download/do a full upgrade using backports.org. Why is the pinning not being used? Wanna see my preferences file? |
| 16:44.25 | sparr | is there any way to avoid having to reconfigure my usb0 interface when i restart my usbnet device? |
| 16:44.44 | stew | stoned: did you apt-get update after editing preferences? |
| 16:44.49 | stoned | yup |
| 16:45.48 | stew | stoned: pastebin "apt-cache policy packagename" for one of the packages you think it shouldn't be upgrading |
| 16:46.10 | stoned | ok |
| 16:46.24 | stoned | !paster me |
| 16:46.25 | dpkg | stoned: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 16:46.51 | SlayerXP | !hit me baby one more time |
| 16:46.57 | meriad | there we go |
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| 16:47.05 | meriad | i believe my stupid little script is working properly |
| 16:47.17 | nvz | heh |
| 16:47.20 | stoned | stew, in the meantime, here is my apt/preferences > http://channels.debian.net/paste/3081 |
| 16:47.21 | meriad | its such a hackish script |
| 16:47.24 | meriad | its really quite pathetic |
| 16:47.25 | meriad | haah |
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| 16:48.06 | nvz | yeah well its not pathetic unless it removes like 40gb of data and delets itself in the process |
| 16:48.14 | meriad | haha |
| 16:48.18 | nvz | that was one of my early attempts at scripting |
| 16:48.34 | meriad | you know what kinda drives me mental? |
| 16:48.41 | meriad | I was talking to my girlfriend last night |
| 16:48.44 | meriad | and im liek so watcha doing tommorow |
| 16:48.48 | nvz | man I knew you were gonna say women |
| 16:48.52 | meriad | HAHAHA |
| 16:48.55 | meriad | no get this |
| 16:48.55 | nvz | I just didnt get a chance to type it first |
| 16:49.09 | meriad | she was like.. im going to take my cat to the vet.. im going to metrotown |
| 16:49.13 | meriad | and im like what are you going to metrotown fro |
| 16:49.17 | meriad | and she just says "stuff" |
| 16:49.22 | meriad | and she wont elaborate |
| 16:49.26 | meriad | so immediately i become interested |
| 16:49.34 | meriad | and i beg and plea for her to tell me but she doesnt tell me a thing |
| 16:49.44 | meriad | so before i go to bed im like ok so what are you going to metro for its driving me nuts babe |
| 16:49.48 | meriad | and shes like.. I'll tell you tommorow |
| 16:49.51 | meriad | and im like ARGHHHHHH |
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| 16:50.00 | meriad | well thanks for ruining my sleep :> |
| 16:50.00 | stoned | stew, http://channels.debian.net/paste/3082 <-- apt policies |
| 16:50.02 | nvz | you cant do that... just empowers them to aggrivate you. |
| 16:50.09 | meriad | nvz- i know :| |
| 16:50.11 | meriad | nvz- but im weak! |
| 16:50.17 | nvz | you gotta know how to act disinterested around a woman |
| 16:50.24 | meriad | nvz- its my nerd dns or nna :| |
| 16:50.25 | nvz | fucks up their plans |
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| 16:50.34 | meriad | dna |
| 16:50.35 | amee2k | Q: how do i launch this "configure debian base system" thingie again? |
| 16:50.36 | meriad | even :P |
| 16:50.48 | meriad | haha im going to try that |
| 16:51.02 | meriad | next time she says shes doing something im gonna be real low casual about that |
| 16:51.07 | meriad | just like cool |
| 16:51.09 | meriad | and thast it! :P |
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| 16:51.50 | nvz | though you gotta know when to become interested again.. I am always in that disinterested mode it seems.. you cant reside in a shell like me.. thats not a solution either.. |
| 16:52.01 | stew | stoned: what exactly is your upgrade alias bound to? from the looks of the policy it looks like your preferences should be working (Candidate: version is the correct one) |
| 16:52.25 | meriad | nvz- chroot() :P |
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| 16:52.38 | meriad | nvz- for every unix commands theres a human equation that goes with it |
| 16:52.49 | nvz | I mean its not that I dont care, its just that I forgot how to show it |
| 16:52.57 | meriad | lol :P |
| 16:53.25 | stoned | stew, I know. alias update='sudo apt-get update' | alias upgrade='sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' |
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| 16:53.29 | stoned | ohhh, dist-upgrade |
| 16:53.35 | stoned | goddamit |
| 16:53.43 | Schrodinger | Would I be correct in thinking that the gnucash package is broken and that the program is un-installable for the time being? |
| 16:53.51 | stoned | is that what might be causing the problem, should I use just apt-get upgrade instead |
| 16:54.22 | stew | stoned: hmm, try it, but it doesn't seem like either should try to upgrade that package unless something else has a versioned depends |
| 16:55.00 | stoned | stew, $>sudo apt-get upgrade | 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. |
| 16:55.11 | stoned | strange, very strange, it didn't want to upgrade now |
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| 16:56.08 | amee2k | o.O |
| 16:56.27 | stoned | alright, well it looks as if it is good enough |
| 16:56.48 | blondie | I have two lines like this in /etc/fstab: |
| 16:56.49 | blondie | /dev/sda1 /u3 xfs defaults 0 0 |
| 16:56.50 | stoned | I might just put sid on my laptop too, fuck it |
| 16:56.51 | fourat | !stream |
| 16:57.08 | blondie | but those drives don't get mounted on boot... they are SATA ones. why wouldn't they get mounted? |
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| 16:57.44 | blondie | (if I type "mount /u3" they mount just fine) |
| 16:57.52 | stoned | one thing, I couldnt find in the mount manpages was about the dump/pass etc., that 0 0 at the end of each line in /etc/fstab. I looked but.. maybe I missed something. What are those two zeros at the end for? what is this pass/dump stuff? |
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| 16:58.21 | blondie | stoned: I wish I knew ;) |
| 16:58.42 | stoned | blondie, put 'auto' after defualts maybe |
| 16:58.55 | blondie | auto is the default though |
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| 16:59.03 | blondie | you have to put noauto to disable :\ |
| 16:59.05 | Azar | blondie, what I know, at boot only the hd you are using gets mounted, the rest is either manually or you use some scripts |
| 16:59.08 | stoned | hmm, I dunno |
| 16:59.13 | blondie | Azar: that's not correct |
| 16:59.23 | stoned | yeah, it SHOULD get mounted |
| 16:59.28 | StormBlade | how can i make my hda2(ext3) partition writable for all users in the system |
| 16:59.34 | blondie | everything in /etc/fstab without "noauto" should get mounted on boot |
| 16:59.39 | stoned | blondie, and you are sure the mount point exists? there are no errors? |
| 16:59.45 | blondie | yes of course |
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| 17:00.03 | blondie | "mount /u3" works fine (not specifying the mount point as it reads it from fstab) |
| 17:00.04 | StormBlade | how can i make my hda2(ext3) partition writable for all users in the system |
| 17:00.17 | blondie | stoned: chmod 777 <mountpoint> |
| 17:00.18 | Azar | blondie is your hd an ide? then the one you try to mount a sata? |
| 17:00.19 | blondie | erm |
| 17:00.21 | blondie | StormBlade: |
| 17:00.38 | blondie | Azar: what do you mean? |
| 17:00.38 | stoned | argh, 777 == the 666 of unix |
| 17:00.39 | stew | StormBlade: you mean the actual device file or the filesystem after you mount it? |
| 17:00.42 | LinuxHelp | Does anyone know of an mp3/m4a player that has as good an *equalizer* as iTunes? |
| 17:00.52 | stoned | linux4, amarok |
| 17:00.54 | StormBlade | blondie, ?? |
| 17:00.56 | stoned | LinuxHelp, #amarok |
| 17:01.04 | LinuxHelp | ok |
| 17:01.14 | Azar | blondie: you use a hd when you boot up right? is that an ide? |
| 17:01.18 | blondie | yes |
| 17:01.48 | Azar | from there on it gets fuzzy for me, I do not know if you can have a dual ide/sata automount |
| 17:01.57 | blondie | you can |
| 17:02.09 | blondie | this should work |
| 17:02.21 | Bushmills | LinuxHelp: rhythmbox looks a lot like itunes, but is not exactly like it. seems to miss something, not sure, i don't know itunes. amarok has more functions than rhythmbox, but is kde. |
| 17:02.23 | Azar | I wish I know how, because I was forced to disable sata due to the very reason |
| 17:02.46 | StormBlade | how can i make hda2 partition writable for all users via ftsab file parameters |
| 17:03.04 | LinuxHelp | Bushmills, the equalizer is more important than anything |
| 17:03.11 | blondie | Azar: why? |
| 17:03.20 | Bushmills | LinuxHelp: many players with equalizers |
| 17:03.24 | blondie | http://channels.debian.net/paste/3083 |
| 17:03.25 | stoned | Azar, I have two IDE disks and 2 SATA disks, they work just fine |
| 17:03.28 | blondie | that's the whole fstab :| |
| 17:03.29 | Azar | blondie, on a sata hd Debian won't even boot |
| 17:03.32 | stoned | everything mounts on boot like it should |
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| 17:03.39 | blondie | Azar: it boots for me on another machine off SATA |
| 17:03.39 | LinuxHelp | Bushmills, yes, but they usually dont sound so good :) |
| 17:03.43 | Bushmills | linuxhelp, check out beep media player, or xmms |
| 17:03.56 | Azar | blondie, maybe I got some sort of lemon sata |
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| 17:04.05 | stoned | blondie, ohh, one more thing, make sure there is a empty blank line at least one, after your last fstab entry |
| 17:04.11 | Azar | it won't boot on nothing: hd, cd, nothing |
| 17:04.22 | blondie | stoned: why? |
| 17:04.30 | robin_sz | weird, all of a sudden, my orinoco_cs wireless card comes up on the wrong channel,. with the wrong essid and the wrong rate and .. bleh. its had a personality transplant |
| 17:04.40 | Azar | sata enabled on bios renders the PC unusable |
| 17:04.42 | stoned | blondie, I dunno, but I remember getting an error because of it |
| 17:04.53 | stoned | blondie, fstab requires it, afaik |
| 17:05.12 | blondie | stoned: there's no blank line on the fstab on this machine and it's fine |
| 17:05.20 | blondie | there's a \n if that's what you mean, but not two |
| 17:05.47 | LinuxHelp | Bushmills, so beep is the most integrated with gnome? |
| 17:05.50 | blondie | could it be that the SATA driver hasn't loaded yet? |
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| 17:06.04 | stoned | blondie, check dmesg |
| 17:06.06 | Bushmills | LinuxHelp: can't say "best" but it integrates nicely. |
| 17:06.06 | mattl_ | has anyone successfully managed to get Xgl working on etch using xorg 7? I've found a howto that says it won't work on xorg 7 - but it doesn't seem like there are any other versions of xorg in etch. |
| 17:06.21 | LinuxHelp | Bushmills, so what is the best integrated? |
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| 17:06.35 | Bushmills | LinuxHelp: possibly rhythmbox |
| 17:06.53 | Bushmills | both have panel integration |
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| 17:07.16 | Bushmills | beep through gxmms |
| 17:07.40 | Bushmills | beep footprint on panel is smaller. |
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| 17:11.43 | abrotman | mattl_: xgl isn't in debian |
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| 17:14.39 | abrotman | !tell UberCracker about root |
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| 17:15.34 | sng | abrotman: That's the thing you should always use when you IRC, right? :P |
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| 17:15.56 | abrotman | sure .. nothing wrong with running all your network clients as root .. |
| 17:16.03 | sng | Yay! |
| 17:17.07 | jelly | nothing wrong with faking ident root either. (Well, maybe it's a bit childish.) |
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| 17:19.03 | mattl_ | abrotman: if you're going to run as root on IRC, i always find it best to allow remote root logins and not bother with all that 'root password' nonsense. |
| 17:19.25 | abrotman | that's what all the UberCracker's do |
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| 17:19.54 | mischko | Is there a package version history so I can see what packages were installed when? |
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| 17:22.18 | abrotman | which version of debian? |
| 17:22.20 | jelly | mischko: there's /var/log/dpkg.log but only on testing/unstable, and (judging by the file's contents here) available since ~ July 2005. |
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| 17:23.32 | mo1991 | is there a program that alerts you or at least lets you see incoming connections via FTP, SSH, telnet, etc? Possibly shows what files are transfered, etc. |
| 17:23.34 | mischko | jelly, Interesting. I get stuff from testing but I have no such log file. |
| 17:24.35 | stew | mischko: what version of dpkg do you have installed? do you mean you run stable but install some packages from testing? |
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| 17:25.28 | jelly | mischko: changelog says it was added in dpkg 1.13.5 |
| 17:25.33 | stew | mo1991: "see incoming connections" is netstat, but to see what files are transferring youd have to read the various logfiles (and ssh, telnet wouldnt' tell you about transferring files) |
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| 17:25.47 | mischko | stew, version 1.10.28. My system is originally loaded from stable but I now get packages from testing. I haven't updated dpkg yet. |
| 17:25.55 | mischko | thanks jelly. I'll upgrade. |
| 17:26.04 | mischko | I wonder if you can get it to log stable packages also? |
| 17:26.06 | stew | mischko: its a very bad idea to mix stable with testing |
| 17:26.16 | stew | mischko: you cannot get it to log without upgrading to 1.13 |
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| 17:26.36 | mischko | stew, I know but the stuff in stable is way too old. Their Postfix for instance is a serious mess. |
| 17:26.45 | stew | mischko: use backports then, /msg dpkg backports |
| 17:27.14 | jelly | mischko: well, if you do upgrade dpkg, it'll log the changes no matter what repository are they installed from. |
| 17:27.26 | mo1991 | stew - is there a good gui for netstat |
| 17:27.40 | stew | mo1991: i don't know of one |
| 17:27.41 | mischko | how do you determine what packages are available from "backports"? I assume that not everything has been backported? |
| 17:27.49 | zebalin4 | I shrunk sda1 down a bit to install etch. etch boots but windows XP won't. Grub does not give me an error, it just goes from the blue grub screen to a B/W screen. Any ideas? |
| 17:27.55 | abrotman | mischko: browse the repository |
| 17:27.57 | stew | mischko: backports.org ; or /msg dpkg simple sid backport |
| 17:28.58 | mischko | Good info. Thanks! |
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| 17:29.39 | jelly | zebalin4: what did you shrink it with? |
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| 17:29.56 | zebalin4 | jelly: qtparted I believe. |
| 17:30.18 | jelly | zebalin4: does it report an error or anything? |
| 17:30.21 | MaZ- | Guys, I have a question - Just got a new dedi. server thats running 2.6.8-2-k7, but the partitions consist of / (80Gb ext3) and swap - I've been out of touch with deb for a couple years, but is there any way to shrink that / partition online so i can create a couple of new partitions (the drive is 85Gb, so cant create anymore at the moment)? |
| 17:30.53 | zebalin4 | jelly: nope. That's the strange thing. It just goes to a black and white menue from the blue and white one. very weird. |
| 17:31.03 | mo1991 | anyone know of a good netstat gui |
| 17:31.26 | jelly | zebalin4: from colored grub to b/w grub? |
| 17:31.33 | zebalin4 | jelly: right |
| 17:31.53 | zebalin4 | jelly: I don't think it even trys to boot XP. |
| 17:31.58 | jelly | zebalin4: maybe you mistakenly installed grub onto the windows partition boot sector? |
| 17:32.29 | jelly | zebalin4: (in addition to the grub in mbr) |
| 17:32.31 | zebalin4 | jelly: well, grub is on the mbr which is on sda1. Has to be there. |
| 17:33.04 | jelly | zebalin4: no. mbr is on sda (whole device), sda1 is the partition. |
| 17:33.14 | blondie | here's my /var/log/dmesg... is sata loading too late for the drives to be mounted? http://home.xelam.net/~alex/dmesg |
| 17:33.22 | zebalin4 | jelly: hmmm, I see what you are saying. Where would menu.lst be for it in Windows? |
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| 17:33.51 | zebalin4 | jelly: what can I do to fix this, assuming that windows is not hosed. |
| 17:34.40 | jelly | zebalin4: hm... you'll need to restore original sda1 boot sector. I'm not sure how, though. |
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| 17:35.09 | mischko | Now that I've heard of "backports", how do I determine what all packages are installed from testing so I can clean up the mess and get things from backports instead? |
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| 17:36.31 | zebalin4 | jelly: hmmm. I can't mount sda1. wrong fs type, bad option, bad superblock on /dev/sda1, missing codepage or other error. |
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| 17:37.02 | jelly | zebalin4: try forcing -t ntfs. |
| 17:37.22 | jelly | zebalin4: Is sda1 the windows partition? |
| 17:37.49 | zebalin4 | jelly: yes, sda1 is the win partition. Where do I use -t ntfs? on mount command? |
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| 17:38.40 | chreekat | When I have a mixed system, I assume that 'aptitude show <pkg>' will show info about the version of the package from the default release. Is there a way to get package info from other releases? |
| 17:38.42 | jelly | zebalin4: yes. something like mount -t ntfs -o ro /dev/sda1 /some/mount/point |
| 17:39.09 | chreekat | More specifically, I would like to know which version of a package exists in the separate releases. |
| 17:39.27 | jelly | zebalin4: google says: http://www.webtree.ca/windowsxp/repair_xp.htm -- "how to repair boot sector" |
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| 17:41.12 | chreekat | Looks like apt-cache policy does what I want |
| 17:41.12 | jelly | zebalin4: if my guess is correct, you only need to run fixboot (skip the "copying ntldr and ntdetect.com" part) |
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| 17:45.35 | zebalin4 | jelly (from mount as root) Not an NTFS volume. Invalid boot sector checksum. Primary boot sector is invalid. |
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| 17:45.54 | zebalin4 | what is fixboot? I don't have my XP CD handy |
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| 17:46.52 | Dantix | hi!, how can I add records to a Berkeley database, are there some kind of administration utility? |
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| 17:49.08 | wols_ | zebalin4: it "fixes" the XP bootloader |
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| 17:49.35 | zebalin4 | wols_: will it mess with the mbr? |
| 17:49.35 | yang | is there a good project, beside seti@home for distributed computing packed into debian ? |
| 17:49.38 | wols_ | it overwrites the boot sevctor and makes sure ntldr works again |
| 17:49.45 | wols_ | no. that's fixmbr |
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| 17:50.15 | zebalin4 | wols_: so I need to find my XP CD. Hmmm. Have not booted to windows in 2 years. |
| 17:50.49 | Serinity | May anyone explain why someone in #debian asks about fixing window XP ? |
| 17:50.55 | drasko | Hi all. I have in my xinitrc this line: exec xterm -e /usr/bin/bash -l, but how do I implement that in that same xterm which is started, another command is started emidatly - for example welcome message? |
| 17:51.04 | wols_ | google for bartpe. you could get away with a livecd every 2 years :) |
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| 17:51.50 | wols_ | drasko: add a "&" at the end of the xterm line, then add the 2nd command on line 2 |
| 17:52.16 | zebalin4 | wols_: would fixboot be part of dosmenu or some dos emulator? |
| 17:52.17 | wols_ | yang: F@H works, but has no deb package afaik |
| 17:52.27 | wols_ | zebalin4: no. XP CD repair console |
| 17:52.38 | yang | wols_: folding @ home? |
| 17:52.41 | wols_ | yang: yes |
| 17:52.52 | zebalin4 | wols_: ok, how do you get to the repair console. I've never booted Windows from a CD. Is there a menu choice? |
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| 17:52.57 | yang | wols_: its a .tar.gz installation |
| 17:52.58 | Wikipedia-Gast70 | hi |
| 17:53.05 | wols_ | zebalin4: yes there is |
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| 17:54.01 | zebalin4 | wols_: and you're sure it won't mess up my sdb2 (which has etch) |
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| 17:54.08 | jcan_ras | Why is this process taking up so much of my processor resources : 50.0%si |
| 17:54.14 | zebalin4 | wols_: or mess up something else so that I can't boot at all? |
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| 17:54.34 | insta | jcan_ras: do you have an AMD64? |
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| 17:54.40 | jcan_ras | no |
| 17:54.49 | wols_ | zebalin4: google fixmbr and fixboot if you don't believe me. you could also keep a grub floppy handy if you're so paranoid |
| 17:54.51 | jcan_ras | insta: no |
| 17:54.54 | rellim | any opinion on the possible move to Smart over apt? |
| 17:54.56 | Wikipedia-Gast81 | hi |
| 17:55.03 | insta | jcan_ras: do you have DMA enabled on your drives? |
| 17:55.06 | zebalin4 | wols_: ok, thanks. |
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| 17:55.29 | wols_ | rellim: what is Smart? |
| 17:55.33 | newbie_ | hi@ll |
| 17:55.35 | insta | jcan_ras: or are you using SATA / SCSI ? |
| 17:55.54 | newbie_ | can anyone help me with the configuration of my network interface card? |
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| 17:56.12 | wols_ | !ask |
| 17:56.13 | dpkg | If you have a question, just ask! For Example: "I have a problem with ___; I'm running Debian version ___. when I try to do ___ I get the following output ___. I expected it to do ___." Don't ask if you can ask, or if anyone uses it, or pick one person to ask (ask the whole channel!). We're all volunteers; make it easy for us to help you. If you don't get an answer, ask later or ask debian-user@lists.debian.org |
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| 17:56.37 | jcan_ras | insta: maybe sata |
| 17:56.46 | rellim | wols_: http://labix.org/smart ... apparently the wave of the *nix future |
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| 17:56.48 | darsie | I can't shutdown/halt/init 0 my server. No effect. Have I been hacked? rkhunter/chkrootkit don't find anything. Any ideas? |
| 17:56.52 | newbie_ | i want to install debian using a netinstall disk . |
| 17:57.23 | newbie_ | i use a network card with a rtl8139d chip |
| 17:57.23 | nvz | darsie: what do you mean no effect? |
| 17:57.37 | jcan_ras | insta: what does it mean |
| 17:57.44 | wols_ | rellim: stay with apt |
| 17:58.06 | darsie | Well, the number of processes is unchanged. No shutdown happens. Normal users can still log in. There is the usual msg to all consoles about the shutdown. |
| 17:58.12 | rellim | wols_: i wasn't saying i was going to replace it, i read that the developer community was concidering ditching apt and going with Smart |
| 17:58.16 | wols_ | add "8139too" to your /etc/modules |
| 17:58.32 | newbie_ | dhcp doesn't work and if i try to invoke dmesg i always get thos eth0:too much work at interrupt, intrstauts=0x0040. messages |
| 17:58.38 | rellim | wols_: i live for apt ... i've been in love with it since i first tried debian many years ago |
| 17:58.40 | insta | jcan_ras: si is a tricky one |
| 17:58.49 | newbie_ | how can i overcome those issues? |
| 17:59.04 | yang | wols_: well this is crap, there is no setiathome in "etch" |
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| 17:59.12 | pdani_ | hi |
| 17:59.16 | nvz | darsie: so I am assuming you have no physical access to this machine? |
| 17:59.25 | darsie | nvz: I have. |
| 17:59.36 | wols_ | yang: seti@home is crap too :) |
| 17:59.55 | pdani_ | how can i determine a remote machine's online state (there's no open TCP/UDP ports on the remote machine)? |
| 18:00.02 | nvz | darsie: then stop telling me what doesnt happen, and lets focus on what does happen you type ? you see? |
| 18:00.13 | pdani_ | neither ICMP |
| 18:00.27 | yang | wols_: why? |
| 18:00.31 | darsie | nvz: I told you. Just the shutdown message, nothing else. |
| 18:00.35 | wols_ | yang: cause it's useless |
| 18:00.48 | insta | Do you guys know how I can throttle connections to a certain destination host? I know how to do it globally for a device (using tc with the bucket filter), but I don't know how to throttle to specific hosts. It only needs to be at the TCP level, nothing lower unless it's necessary |
| 18:01.07 | darsie | nvz: I type 'shutdown -h now' or 'halt' or 'init 0'. |
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| 18:01.30 | darsie | nvz: as root, of course. |
| 18:01.32 | wols_ | darsie: look into syslog and dmesg |
| 18:01.36 | darsie | ok ... |
| 18:01.37 | twisted`_ | hey, question, I'm downloading debian-testing-i386-binary-1.iso and the rest of the iso's, but can I use these to install or do I need an install dvd? |
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| 18:02.12 | jcan_ras | insta: what is si related to, what causes this problem |
| 18:02.31 | yang | wols_: well, i want to make the use from my idle machines somehow, what do you suggest? |
| 18:03.15 | Bushmills | yang, create a cluster |
| 18:03.16 | rellim | twisted`_: rest of the iso's? ... you should just download a net install disk, makes life much easier |
| 18:03.20 | darsie | wols_: Nothing in dmesg, syslog: 'Jul 7 20:01:56 s shutdown[12303]: shutting down for system halt' |
| 18:03.33 | nvz | darsie: and if nothng is unusual or outstanding in the logs, I would check the init scripts and links next.. because long before processes get the TERM or KILL signal the shutdown links are followed to the init scripts to shut down services, unmount filesystems..etc |
| 18:03.36 | twisted`_ | rellim: I have no internet on the location where I'm gonna install |
| 18:03.52 | twisted`_ | rellim: so hense the dvd's :) |
| 18:04.01 | yang | Bushmills: i have different arch's it wouldn't work |
| 18:04.02 | insta | jcan_ras: in my experience, it was because my timer frequency was bad on my kernel ... but I had an AMD64, and this was a known problem |
| 18:04.17 | pack | is there a standard way of dealing with uid/gids getting out of sync. i.e. add new user bob (1000,1000) add new groupd users2 (1002), add new user mary (1001,1003) |
| 18:04.21 | twisted`_ | but do I need an extra install dvd or is that dvd also capable of installing |
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| 18:04.35 | Nei | does someone happen to know what happened to Eterm? |
| 18:04.45 | abrotman | where did it go? |
| 18:04.50 | abrotman | in which version of debian? |
| 18:04.57 | darsie | nvz: wols_ Ok, I gotta go to the cinema. cul8er thx |
| 18:04.58 | nvz | nei, you closed it? run it again? |
| 18:05.04 | Nei | nvz, ;) |
| 18:05.14 | Nei | abrotman, I cant find it in etch nor sid |
| 18:05.20 | newbie_ | i want to install debian using a netinstall disk |
| 18:05.29 | newbie_ | i use a network card with a rtl8139d chip |
| 18:05.36 | nvz | !info eterm |
| 18:05.40 | dpkg | eterm: (Enlightened Terminal Emulator), section x11, is optional. Version: 0.9.3-1 (sid), Packaged size: 414 kB, Installed size: 1016 kB |
| 18:05.41 | newbie_ | dhcp doesn't work and if i try to invoke dmesg i always get thos eth0:too much work at interrupt, intrstauts=0x0040. messages |
| 18:05.45 | newbie_ | how can i overcome those issues? |
| 18:05.49 | Bushmills | newbie_: realtec nic are well supported |
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| 18:05.58 | nvz | !info eterm etch |
| 18:06.04 | yang | wols_: have you ever participated in folding? |
| 18:06.31 | newbie_ | are you sure .. i've found a bunch of entries in several forums that encountered the same problems |
| 18:06.35 | nvz | nei, sounds like you either forgot how to spell eterm, or you need to check/change your sources.list |
| 18:06.43 | rellim | twisted`_: that should be capable of installing |
| 18:06.45 | Bushmills | newbie_: what module do you load for the 8139? |
| 18:06.56 | newbie_ | i don't have a clue |
| 18:07.07 | Bushmills | newbie, try the 8139too |
| 18:07.11 | yang | wols_: the linux executable file for folding is an .EXE file !!! |
| 18:07.13 | newbie_ | how can i test? |
| 18:07.14 | Bushmills | not the cp8138 |
| 18:07.16 | Bushmills | lsmod |
| 18:07.28 | nvz | nei, dpkg said package 'eterm' did not exist when I asked it for info on eterm for etch, but it found it for sid |
| 18:07.46 | newbie_ | i first have to restart |
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| 18:08.03 | nvz | abrotman: dpkg says eterm doesnt exist in etch *shrug* |
| 18:09.46 | nvz | in other news I am moments away from falling asleep at the pc |
| 18:10.21 | newbie_ | it shows me 8139too 12328 0(unused) |
| 18:10.24 | yang | wols_: To launch: To use this program, make sure that you can execute it (chmod +x FAH5-Linux.exe) and then run it ./FAH5-Linux.exe |
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| 18:10.44 | nvz | I went to bed early last night.. around 10:30pm or so.. woke up around 4am, couldnt go back to sleep so I decided to get out of bed.. now its 2:10pm and I am tired again :P |
| 18:10.44 | Serinity | still |
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| 18:11.07 | Serinity | It's not the filename that makes the content, maybe some funny guy named a linux executable .exe |
| 18:11.08 | pack | nvz: i hate to call you a liar, but i'm running etch and it found it just fine |
| 18:11.27 | Bushmills | nvz, /join #sleepimpairedness |
| 18:11.29 | LinuxHelp | lol, rhythmbox doesnt even have an equaliser |
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| 18:11.46 | nvz | pack: you would be calling dpkg a liar, not me. I asked the bot dpkg and for all I know your cache may be out of date... dpkg updates his when you ask him for info |
| 18:11.49 | stoned | godamn irc |
| 18:12.17 | LinuxHelp | how this app got into the repo i'll never know.. |
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| 18:12.52 | pack | nvz: drats, all i have are the themes. |
| 18:13.09 | nvz | pack: apperently its been removed from etch fairly recently |
| 18:13.26 | nvz | pack: if its still in sid, chaces are its comming back soon |
| 18:13.28 | Newk | hello there, could someone help me put up GRUB bootloader again? the partitions are still there but windows wiped the bootloader.. how do i put it back on using the settings on the linux partition? (/mnt/hda2/boot/grub/menu.lst) |
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| 18:13.48 | Serinity | LinuxHelp, Well, the problem with linux applications nowadays is that there's so much of them that are coded for the same usage (e.g. playing music) and most of them are incomplete or lack of basic features, added to this, unices lack of free applications (serious ones, usable professionnaly) like autocad and such.... which makes professionnals switch way more difficult |
| 18:13.55 | nvz | pack: I cant imagine a situation that would cause for it to be pulled like that though |
| 18:14.02 | Serinity | Now, it's my point of view.... |
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| 18:14.10 | Serinity | (Please don't flame me to death) |
| 18:14.22 | stew | Newk: read /usr/share/doc/grub/README.Debian ; you should just need to run grub-install |
| 18:14.34 | nvz | pack: maybe it just caused such horrible problems people dont want to hear about it, so they removed it until it was resolved :P |
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| 18:15.00 | stew | nvz: which package? |
| 18:15.25 | stoned | ok im stable now i think |
| 18:15.38 | nvz | stew: the conversation began with "where did eterm go?" and I queried dpkg for info and he says its in sid, but doesnt exist in etch |
| 18:15.44 | Newk | stew: thanx! will read it now... hope i dont break anything using grub-install |
| 18:16.11 | stew | nvz: my guess is that it was removed for the xorg transition but hasn't made it back in yet |
| 18:16.18 | Newk | i have now running linux using knoppix |
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| 18:16.27 | Newk | (live cd) |
| 18:16.31 | stew | Newk: ask /msg dpkg fixmbr |
| 18:16.31 | nvz | stew: apperently when pack had tried to call me a liar then refreshed his package cache, he confirmed that it was removed since he last updated his cache :P |
| 18:16.34 | yang | this folding@home has really stupid client for linux, i wonder how people can participate (there are 16.000 machines registered with linux), and the file ends in Linux.EXE |
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| 18:16.59 | LinuxHelp | so what is, the most advanced linux audio player on the planet? |
| 18:17.09 | Newk | stew: thanks again |
| 18:17.10 | abrotman | mpg123 |
| 18:17.26 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: try a better question |
| 18:17.28 | nvz | LinuxHelp: I wouldnt dare answer that question directly without beating around the issue |
| 18:17.51 | LinuxHelp | I thought so.. |
| 18:17.52 | newbie_ | dhcp doesn't work and if i try to invoke dmesg i always get thos eth0:too much work at interrupt, intrstauts=0x0040. messages |
| 18:17.54 | stew | LinuxHelp: if you are after "the most advanced audio" you really should be using alsa and not the deprecated oss, btw |
| 18:18.00 | nvz | LinuxHelp: so I am going to small talk, and blah blah blah, giving you a chance to ask a better question.. |
| 18:18.02 | LinuxHelp | (there isnt one) |
| 18:18.04 | newbie_ | it's a 8139 chip working |
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| 18:18.26 | Azar | stew, did you happened to see the "madduck's droppings" article? |
| 18:18.27 | nvz | LinuxHelp: before telling you maybe you are looking for something graphical and overly featured like perhaps Amarok |
| 18:18.36 | newbie_ | lsmod shows 8139too 12328 0(unused) |
| 18:18.41 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: there is ... "I want to play <these type of files>, can anyone recommend a good player for <gnome/kde/somethingelse> |
| 18:18.53 | Bushmills | newbie_: does "dhcp not working" imply that "network is not working"? |
| 18:19.01 | stew | Azar: i don't think so, you mean m. kraft's blog entry? |
| 18:19.01 | newbie_ | yes |
| 18:19.08 | LinuxHelp | I want to play MP3'z, can anyone recommend a good player for gnome, with an EQUALIZER |
| 18:19.10 | newbie_ | so i can't install anything |
| 18:19.21 | Azar | stew, yes some kind of blog |
| 18:19.21 | nvz | LinuxHelp: XMMS |
| 18:19.24 | Bushmills | linuxhelp, look at beep media player |
| 18:19.25 | newbie_ | but the content on the cdrom |
| 18:19.33 | Bushmills | beep is an xmms fork. |
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| 18:19.45 | Azar | stew I can point you the link in pm so not to upset abrotman |
| 18:19.46 | newbie_ | the network itself is working with a win xp installation |
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| 18:20.06 | newbie_ | on a different computer |
| 18:20.10 | nvz | I never thought XMMS would make a very good fork.. but maybe you could use it for chopsticks |
| 18:20.14 | stew | Azar: i know where to find it, why are you asking? |
| 18:20.23 | newbie_ | but i don't get this debian system up |
| 18:20.29 | Azar | stew, ah ok :) |
| 18:20.48 | newbie_ | what does the output mean? |
| 18:21.04 | newbie_ | looks like an interrupt conflict |
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| 18:21.16 | stew | LinuxHelp: if you want more advanced audio use use an mp3 player that supports jack and use jackeq/ladspa |
| 18:21.46 | Azar | for .mod fans xmms is a godsent |
| 18:21.54 | abhijeet | I am a mandrake user and now want to switch to debian. does debian support to play mp3 and so on like mandriva. |
| 18:22.01 | abrotman | yes |
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| 18:22.12 | nvz | heh |
| 18:22.23 | newbie_ | what does it mean if lsmod shows 8139too 12328 0(unused) |
| 18:22.36 | cahoot | LinuxHelp: aqualung has what you look for (not in debian though) |
| 18:22.48 | nvz | mandriva sounds so query. I dont care how you pronounce the 'i' |
| 18:23.00 | newbie_ | the driver isn't assigned to the hardware, isn't it? |
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| 18:23.58 | nvz | with the double negative and zero context I have no idea how I could posibly answer that |
| 18:24.01 | abhijeet | nvz: what do you mean that? |
| 18:24.04 | Bushmills | newbie_: no. nothing uses it |
| 18:24.35 | newbie_ | i.e., it isn't installed correctly? |
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| 18:25.03 | Bushmills | it probably is. just nothing uses it. no wonder if it has no ip address, and such |
| 18:25.07 | nvz | abhijeet: query, means questionable.. I am using it in a context meaning sexually questionable.. homosexual.. gay.. queer.. |
| 18:25.26 | newbie_ | and how to connect it to my nic? |
| 18:25.36 | Bushmills | it is, probably. |
| 18:26.00 | nvz | I just think saying query is less offensive and I find it funny to use in that manner.. so thats my way of saying "thats gay" |
| 18:26.00 | Bushmills | tru to hand-config it, instead of dhcp: |
| 18:26.12 | newbie_ | how? |
| 18:26.16 | Bushmills | ifconfig eth0 192.168.1.10 (or whatever ip address you choose) |
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| 18:26.45 | Bushmills | then look with ifconfig, whether it got that address |
| 18:26.48 | wols_ | newbie_: run "ifconfig -a". Does your ethernet show up? |
| 18:28.10 | RvGaTe | is it possible to install grub when i'm inside a booted debian? (overwriting the windows bootloader) |
| 18:28.32 | newbie_ | it shows entries for eth0 and lo |
| 18:28.48 | wols_ | RvGaTe: grub-install |
| 18:28.53 | nvz | RvGaTe: grub-install hd0, assuming its the first hard drive you want to install on |
| 18:29.01 | LinuxHelp | hmm, this default beep skin is ugly enough too.. make a small child cry |
| 18:29.03 | wols_ | newbie_: then the drivre is working. paste your /etc/network/interfaces in a pastebin |
| 18:29.05 | newbie_ | but immediately the old exceptions are thrown (too much work at interrupt ..) |
| 18:29.14 | war95 | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:29.18 | RvGaTe | nvz, wols_ , thx... |
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| 18:29.27 | cahoot | LinuxHelp: obviously |
| 18:29.33 | wols_ | newbie_: are you sure the card isn't broken? |
| 18:29.35 | newbie_ | what does this mean @wols? |
| 18:30.16 | newbie_ | no i'm not sure |
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| 18:30.31 | wols_ | newbie_: what kernel version? |
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| 18:31.23 | newbie_ | don't know it's debian 31r2 i386 netinstall-cd |
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| 18:31.41 | RvGaTe | nvz, wols_ , when doing grub-install hd0, will it use the grub config at /boot/grub/menu.list ? |
| 18:31.55 | wols_ | yes |
| 18:32.04 | wols_ | newbie_: then find out |
| 18:32.05 | RvGaTe | alrihgt, rebooting then :P |
| 18:32.13 | newbie_ | how? |
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| 18:32.42 | RvGaTe | linux live cd, chroot on mounted hd1, then grub-iinstall |
| 18:32.50 | abrotman | stew: did you happen to read about elive? I can PM you the link if you have trouble finding it! |
| 18:32.56 | RvGaTe | whoops |
| 18:33.59 | newbie_ | 2.4.27-2-386 |
| 18:34.04 | stew | /ignore -regexp elive |
| 18:34.34 | abrotman | hehe |
| 18:35.25 | nvz | hmm must be an inside joke :P |
| 18:35.40 | nvz | and I must be an outsider |
| 18:36.05 | newbie_ | any guesses @wols? |
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| 18:36.30 | nvz | there is a 3.1r2? |
| 18:36.38 | newbie_ | yes, it is |
| 18:36.42 | nvz | damn |
| 18:36.58 | newbie_ | why? |
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| 18:37.00 | mixer- | how do I check hard disk capacity in linux ? |
| 18:37.04 | nvz | I guess I should have shopped around |
| 18:37.24 | nvz | I made 3.1r0 DVDs recently and turned them into a local repo |
| 18:37.28 | qwertz_ | Hi, I've got a laptop with debian that stops booting after entry "INIT ': version 2.86 booting" - colud anybody give me a hint what to look for or what could possibly go wrong? |
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| 18:38.38 | nvz | qwertz_: maybe look for a debian technician, and you could possibly go wrong by not paying him and providing him with pizza and jolt cola |
| 18:38.50 | newbie_ | can anybody help me with my nic? |
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| 18:39.26 | nvz | qwertz_: or I could avoid your question and tell you to try booting with init=/bin/sh as a boot param to hopefully get booted to a shell to further troubleshoot |
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| 18:40.16 | Thanatermesis | any person has look to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" don't write any xorg.conf file on ETCH ? |
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| 18:41.40 | nvz | last time I tried to answer that question with a checksum mismatch someone told me xorg doesnt checksum the config.. so I have no idea I've not used xorg before |
| 18:42.05 | nvz | I think the answer provided was to --plow |
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| 18:42.42 | stew | -plow is a noop |
| 18:42.47 | jelly | Is there a way to make "no" a default choice for a boolean debconf question? |
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| 18:43.13 | alan` | hey can i get some help setting up a wireless card on a Debian OS |
| 18:43.13 | nvz | great, wtf is a noop |
| 18:43.21 | alan` | i've tried it a bunch of times but it ins't working |
| 18:43.24 | stew | nvz: it does nothing. |
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| 18:43.49 | stew | nvz: low is the default, so specifying -plow doesn't do anything different than not specifying it |
| 18:45.01 | alan` | ??? |
| 18:45.28 | stew | alan`: what card?, what have you tried? |
| 18:45.33 | nvz | oh well I am gonna reboot this damn pc so maybe windows will act right.. probably got better odds on quater slots |
| 18:45.47 | alan` | i have a Linksys WPC11 Card |
| 18:46.00 | alan` | i downloaded the RealTek driver for the chipset and tried make config to that |
| 18:46.05 | Gnea | alan`: i have one of those |
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| 18:46.09 | Gnea | it's not a realtek |
| 18:46.20 | alan` | it siad that when i put it into the pc |
| 18:46.25 | alan` | it said it had a realtek chipset |
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| 18:46.33 | Gnea | alan`: weird. okay, what kernel are you using and what branch of debian? |
| 18:46.48 | alan` | i'm using the Testing debian |
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| 18:46.58 | stew | alan`: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 18:46.59 | Gnea | dunno if that'll work, but what kernel? |
| 18:47.23 | alan` | and its 2.6.15 |
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| 18:47.45 | Gnea | alan`: is linux-wlan-ng installed? |
| 18:48.00 | alan` | idk |
| 18:48.10 | Gnea | !wlan-ng |
| 18:48.10 | dpkg | i heard wlan-ng is Next Generation WLAN - Available at ftp://ftp.linux-wlan.org/pub/linux-wlan-ng/ |
| 18:48.29 | Gnea | alan`: idk? |
| 18:48.45 | alan` | it just shutdown on me for some reason |
| 18:48.51 | Gnea | what did? |
| 18:48.59 | alan` | my laptop |
| 18:49.05 | nvz | blondie: windows users make me panic to when they try connecting .. their average intelligence is very low |
| 18:49.14 | Gnea | try plugging it into the power supply ;) |
| 18:49.17 | blondie | have their been security updates for samba recently? |
| 18:49.21 | alan` | lol i'm in a hotel |
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| 18:49.33 | blondie | on sarge |
| 18:49.33 | stew | blondie: http://debian.org/security will tell you |
| 18:49.33 | Gnea | hotels have power adapters in the walls. |
| 18:49.41 | Gnea | wtf hotel doesn't? |
| 18:49.44 | alan` | on their pc trying to get this 2 work, my laptop won't connect wirelessly cause idk how to get the card to work, i'm new to linux |
| 18:49.50 | alan` | i'm in their buisness room |
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| 18:49.54 | alan` | with the fax |
| 18:49.58 | alan` | and the printers |
| 18:50.00 | alan` | and copyers |
| 18:50.03 | Gnea | ah |
| 18:50.13 | alan` | but i'm @ 8-% |
| 18:50.18 | alan` | 80% |
| 18:50.22 | alan` | thats whts weird |
| 18:50.37 | Gnea | alan`: well, install linux-wlan-ng and wireless-tools if you haven't already |
| 18:50.44 | blondie | oh well that didn't help |
| 18:50.47 | blondie | sigh |
| 18:50.54 | alan` | ok |
| 18:50.59 | Gnea | blondie: i haven't seen any |
| 18:51.02 | nvz | I'm at 10% I think I should just go to sleep and save myself the aggrivation of trying to stay awake |
| 18:51.13 | blondie | has anyone seen these errors (with the samba on sarge) http://pastebin.ca/81647 ? |
| 18:51.19 | blondie | it started happening today |
| 18:51.43 | nvz | I lasted about 10hours on about 5 hours charge.. not really good but oh well |
| 18:51.43 | Gnea | blondie: did your config change? |
| 18:51.47 | blondie | nope |
| 18:51.55 | blondie | I've done nothing to samba in months |
| 18:51.57 | Gnea | blondie: are you *sure*? |
| 18:52.00 | blondie | yes |
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| 18:52.15 | Gnea | try dropping a default config file in there and see what happens |
| 18:52.16 | blondie | the only change to that server recently has been the installation of two extra disks |
| 18:52.38 | blondie | the config file is dated erm 5 minutes ago |
| 18:52.40 | blondie | wtf |
| 18:52.45 | Gnea | see |
| 18:52.53 | blondie | that's rubbish though |
| 18:52.58 | blondie | anyway it failed before that |
| 18:53.15 | blondie | I just apt-get installed samba and it downloaded a newer version |
| 18:53.19 | blondie | well I don't blame it. |
| 18:53.35 | Gnea | do you have your modified version someplace? |
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| 18:53.53 | blondie | on the web? |
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| 18:54.02 | blondie | it's not that, as I haven't changed it! |
| 18:54.07 | Gnea | i'm assuming you didn't have some default setup |
| 18:54.13 | blondie | I don't |
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| 18:54.16 | posborne | Hey Guys! I am new to Debian. How do I install MySQL? |
| 18:54.22 | blondie | but ten minutes ago it was dated Januaray something |
| 18:54.29 | Gnea | !mysql |
| 18:54.30 | dpkg | A fast and simple relational database implementing a limited subset of SQL. Can do replication; no views, stored procedures, triggers; transaction support not consistent. Packaged as 'mysql-server' and 'mysql-client'. Also see http://mysql.com and #mysql. http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/, or mysql is great for your grandmother's blog but if you want a real and free db you should look at postgresql, or <mysql gotchas> |
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| 18:54.35 | wols_ | !tell posborne about grounding |
| 18:54.40 | ru | hi guys |
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| 18:54.47 | ru | I ran lilo -b or whatever |
| 18:54.48 | stew | posborne: aptitude install mysql-server |
| 18:54.57 | ru | and its added 2 intances of lilo now to my MBR, how would I remove it? |
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| 18:55.17 | nvz | heh |
| 18:55.26 | posborne | stew: Hey Thanks |
| 18:55.27 | blondie | Gnea: http://home.xelam.net/~alex/smb.conf |
| 18:55.27 | stew | posborne: or aptitude install mysql-server-4.1 if you want 4.1 instead of 4.0 |
| 18:55.41 | blondie | not that it has changed, I just diff-ed it against a backup made some weeks ago |
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| 18:56.29 | yang | Is there any way to bypass "cannot execute binary file error" on debian? I am trying to set up folding@home client which has an Linux.exe file. |
| 18:56.55 | Gnea | blondie: looks fine, are you sure the netlogon stuff didn't change? |
| 18:56.59 | stew | yang: what does "file Linux.exe" say it is? |
| 18:57.22 | blondie | Gnea: yes, really nothing has changed at all. |
| 18:57.49 | Gnea | blondie: i dunno... clear out the dir and drop a default smb.conf in there and see if it still segfaults |
| 18:58.32 | sigma957 | yang: mine is FAHLinux.exe. did you run the install? |
| 18:58.50 | yang | stew: FAH502-Linux.exe: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.0.0, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped |
| 18:59.10 | wols_ | have you set the file to be executable? |
| 18:59.15 | yang | yes |
| 18:59.24 | yang | but i am not trying it on i386... |
| 18:59.25 | sigma957 | yang: do you run it ./FA... |
| 18:59.26 | stew | yang: what command are you typing that gives you that error? |
| 18:59.34 | stew | yang: oh, what arch are you on? |
| 18:59.39 | yang | i use parisc |
| 18:59.47 | yang | won't work huh? |
| 18:59.49 | wols_ | heh |
| 18:59.53 | stew | yang: certainly not |
| 18:59.54 | wols_ | not really... |
| 19:00.12 | yang | well, i cannot find their .tar.gz anywhere to be able to compile myself... |
| 19:01.19 | blondie | Gnea: it crashes with a default smb.conf |
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| 19:01.52 | wols_ | yang: they don't have one |
| 19:02.02 | wols_ | I don't know of any distributed project which does |
| 19:02.10 | yang | wols_: only seti then... |
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| 19:02.26 | wols_ | prime95 has software and source linked for non x86 but I dunno if it uses the prime95 servers |
| 19:02.28 | foo | HOw can I start a program as another user? |
| 19:02.29 | wols_ | http://www.mersenne.org/freeware.htm |
| 19:02.36 | foo | sudo -u someuser command |
| 19:02.36 | foo | ? |
| 19:02.47 | abrotman | man sudo ? |
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| 19:03.18 | ru | how would I remove an instance of lilo from the MBR? I now have two |
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| 19:03.38 | stew | ru: you mean two items from the lilo menu? |
| 19:03.38 | ru | i ran lilo -b /dev/sda |
| 19:03.40 | yang | wols_: what should i be looking for on that link?? |
| 19:03.41 | ru | No |
| 19:03.54 | stew | ru: you can't have two, you can only overwrite what is already there |
| 19:03.59 | ru | I actually have two lilo boot options now |
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| 19:04.07 | ru | well i am using rEFIt |
| 19:04.13 | ru | which is a seperate boot loader |
| 19:04.14 | newbie_ | hi @ll |
| 19:04.14 | blondie | Gnea: hmm, found some rogue smbd processes that it wouldn't kill... killed them and it's ok now x.x |
| 19:04.17 | foo | abrotman: Can sudo do that? |
| 19:04.17 | stew | ru: what is rEFIt? |
| 19:04.26 | abrotman | what does the man page say? |
| 19:04.32 | wols_ | lilo for EFI I guess |
| 19:04.33 | newbie_ | i still have these nic problems with 8139 |
| 19:04.46 | newbie_ | now i manually give an ip address |
| 19:04.51 | ru | http://refit.sourceforge.net/ |
| 19:04.58 | ru | rEFIt is a boot menu and maintenance toolkit for EFI-based machines like the Intel Macs. |
| 19:05.02 | ru | (I am running a macbook pro) |
| 19:05.06 | wols_ | newbie_: try a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:05.25 | newbie_ | how can i install one if i don't have internet access |
| 19:05.37 | stew | ru: which boot loader do you want to have on the mbr? |
| 19:05.40 | wols_ | there should be one on your netinstal CD |
| 19:05.47 | newbie_ | the same problems also occurred with kubuntu |
| 19:05.53 | ru | lilo, but only one instance of it |
| 19:05.58 | stew | ru: run "lilo" |
| 19:05.59 | newbie_ | afaik it has the 2.6 kernel |
| 19:06.01 | wols_ | newbie_: then I'd say hardware problem |
| 19:06.08 | stew | ru: two instances wouldn't fit on the mbr at the same time |
| 19:06.19 | newbie_ | and no chance to fix it? |
| 19:06.21 | ru | hmm |
| 19:06.28 | ru | then it must be written somewhere else |
| 19:06.42 | stew | ru: what exactly are you seeing that is making you say you have more than one? |
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| 19:07.25 | ru | when i boot and rEFIt comes up i get 4 options (two lilo's, one OSX, one windows) |
| 19:08.13 | ru | I wonder where it has written to then... |
| 19:08.29 | wols_ | start of linux partition perhaps? |
| 19:08.56 | stew | ru: what do you have in boot= in /etc/lilo.conf? |
| 19:09.01 | ru | wols_: How would I check that? |
| 19:09.25 | newbie_ | how can i get rid of "eth0: too much work at interrupt, intrStatus=0x0040." messages frequently appearing? |
| 19:09.33 | ru | appears to be just one instance |
| 19:10.00 | ru | let me pastebin it though |
| 19:10.00 | yang | wols_: do you maybe know where new user gets registered for folding? |
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| 19:10.00 | ru | http://pastebin.ca/81671 |
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| 19:10.20 | wols_ | yang: dunno if there is a registration. you just choose username and the team you want to be on via config file I think |
| 19:10.24 | stew | ru: yes, that lilo.conf isn't installing to the mbr its installing to /dev/sda3 |
| 19:10.29 | stew | ru: are you running ubuntu? |
| 19:10.55 | yang | wols_: yeah, but what if the username is allready used by another person...? |
| 19:11.05 | ru | aah |
| 19:11.09 | ru | I think i know the problem |
| 19:11.24 | newbie_ | how can i get rid of "eth0: too much work at interrupt, intrStatus=0x0040." messages frequently appearing? |
| 19:11.25 | ru | when i ran lilo -b /dev/sda it wrote something additional then hey? |
| 19:11.33 | stew | ru: you should really be in #ubuntu for help with ubuntu |
| 19:11.42 | ru | so now lilo resides at /dev/sda and /dev/sda3 |
| 19:11.49 | ru | #ubuntu - naah they useless |
| 19:11.49 | newbie_ | i run a nic wirh a 8139d chip` |
| 19:12.01 | ru | besides this isnt an ubuntu issue specifically |
| 19:12.08 | stew | ru: we don't support ubuntu here |
| 19:12.13 | wols_ | but you run it. come back when you run debian |
| 19:12.18 | stew | ru: its specifically not a debian issue |
| 19:12.18 | blondie | ru: we don't provide help for people that aren't running deibna |
| 19:12.20 | blondie | *debian |
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| 19:12.39 | ru | ok im running debian |
| 19:12.42 | blondie | liar |
| 19:12.42 | ru | i promise |
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| 19:12.58 | wols_ | your lying is very unconvincing |
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| 19:13.08 | ru | heh |
| 19:13.20 | ru | i tried asking in ubuntu/kubuntu, but they are so clueless |
| 19:13.28 | nixx | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:13.32 | blondie | well, switch to a better distro |
| 19:13.34 | nixx | oops, sorry |
| 19:13.34 | blondie | i.e. debian |
| 19:13.55 | blondie | with the added bonus of help from #debian :P |
| 19:13.55 | ru | http://pastebin.ca/81680 |
| 19:13.57 | ru | There u go |
| 19:14.00 | azeem | or clueless, or whatever |
| 19:14.21 | blondie | !tell ru about u |
| 19:14.27 | wols_ | azeem: we're not mean to people running debian. well not too mean at least |
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| 19:15.02 | wols_ | and considering how many people come here from #ubuntu cause they can't help them, I don't have much faith in #ubuntu's knowledge to solve any problem |
| 19:15.03 | azeem | wols_: well, the general perception of this channel is still a frigthening to newcomers I think |
| 19:15.05 | newbie_ | i still have these nic problems with 8139 |
| 19:15.07 | newbie_ | how can i get rid of "eth0: too much work at interrupt, intrStatus=0x0040." messages frequently appearing? |
| 19:15.15 | azeem | general outsider's perception, I should add |
| 19:15.25 | wols_ | azeem: it si. we still have an unofficial competition with the #*bsd ones to see who is meanest |
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| 19:15.47 | newbie_ | do you want me to return to windows ... snifff |
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| 19:15.59 | blondie | newbie_: definitely :) |
| 19:16.11 | azeem | wols_: I guess my point is that Ubuntu people frequently coming here because of the higher level of expertise is cool |
| 19:16.32 | wols_ | yes, we don't like people who paste the same cry for help multiple times over a short period. they're perfect windows users |
| 19:16.35 | azeem | but if a lot of Debian people would go elsewhere because they don't like this chan due to social issues, that'd be bad |
| 19:17.00 | wols_ | it's not cool of them coming here. they raise my blood pressure |
| 19:17.07 | wols_ | flattering yes, cool no |
| 19:17.14 | Newk | a question about the command chroot : does it switch to the permissions and passwords used on that filesystem? |
| 19:17.28 | newbie_ | wols_: so stop drinking coffee .. it's healthies |
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| 19:17.46 | wols_ | I haven't drunk coffe for 15-20 years now |
| 19:17.49 | stew | Newk: yes |
| 19:17.53 | wols_ | can't even stomach it anymore |
| 19:18.01 | Newk | strange |
| 19:18.05 | newbie_ | so you're not a computer scientist |
| 19:18.09 | newbie_ | shame on you |
| 19:18.21 | newbie_ | pizza, coke and coffee ... everything i need |
| 19:18.26 | blondie | newbie_: pfft, I'm a computer scientist (apparently) but I don't like coffee |
| 19:18.27 | stew | Newk: (if i understand what you are asking correctly) is there something more specific that you are experiencing that is confusing to you? |
| 19:18.28 | wols_ | you need a better definition for "Computer scientist" |
| 19:18.57 | wols_ | blondie: tea as well? |
| 19:18.59 | cureless | I'm a computer scientist |
| 19:19.03 | cureless | ... I think |
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| 19:19.09 | wols_ | !win cureless |
| 19:19.09 | dpkg | Congratulations, cureless! You have won second prize in a beauty contest! |
| 19:19.10 | blondie | wols_: don't like that either |
| 19:19.10 | newbie_ | most of the time |
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| 19:19.18 | Cald | hello |
| 19:19.27 | cureless | and I don't like coffee either |
| 19:19.29 | ru | !tell blondie pedantic |
| 19:19.33 | wols_ | blondie: so what do you drink? are you a cactus? |
| 19:19.35 | ru | !tell blondie about pedantic |
| 19:19.40 | kspath | For many the definition of mean is anyone that does not given them a one-line copy-paste solution. Anything involving reading/research seems to be associated with meanness. |
| 19:19.47 | Newk | stew: well i was following the instructions on dpkg's help here on the fixmbr.... but i get permission failures |
| 19:19.49 | blondie | ru: I know what pedantic means thanks. |
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| 19:20.14 | blondie | wols_: umm, squash |
| 19:20.15 | stew | Newk: what exact error message are you getting? (usr a pastebin if its more than 1 line /msg dpkg pastebin) |
| 19:20.21 | ru | and i know how to spell you as well :) |
| 19:20.42 | blondie | ru: really, well try not to write "u" then :P |
| 19:20.50 | Cald | how can i do to prevent the owner of a directory to delete files he doesn't own plz? |
| 19:20.52 | Newk | stew: ehm.. |
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| 19:21.04 | ru | blondie: only if u stop being so pedantic |
| 19:21.05 | newbie_ | cald: chmod |
| 19:21.09 | cureless | Cald: don't make them owner |
| 19:21.12 | Newk | stew: its on on another machine |
| 19:21.18 | blondie | ru: I'm not. |
| 19:21.20 | stew | ru: blondie: can you two please just drop it |
| 19:21.30 | ru | she started it |
| 19:21.36 | ru | *humrph* |
| 19:21.38 | stew | ru: stop |
| 19:21.44 | ru | lol |
| 19:22.00 | Cald | directory must be +w for some users |
| 19:22.15 | Newk | stew: i will type it anyway into /msg dpkg pastebin here |
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| 19:22.20 | blondie | Cald: you probably need to use ACLs |
| 19:22.26 | cureless | Cald: do you want something like /tmp? |
| 19:22.34 | newbie_ | implement your own rights management system *g* |
| 19:22.41 | stew | Newk: at least tell me what command you were typing and what resource it was complaining about the access to |
| 19:22.53 | blondie | ru: don't call me "she" please |
| 19:22.57 | newbie_ | to fuck things really up you need to be su |
| 19:23.02 | stew | blondie: drop it, use ignore |
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| 19:23.33 | Cald | i want to set a readme file in a directory, that can't be deleted by owners |
| 19:23.43 | coward | create one then |
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| 19:23.55 | coward | oh wait |
| 19:23.57 | coward | not deletable by owner? |
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| 19:24.09 | coward | I feel like owner can always delink files |
| 19:24.09 | blondie | Cald: by owners of what? |
| 19:24.09 | Cald | not deletable by directory owners |
| 19:24.12 | blondie | stew: fine I'll ignore you |
| 19:24.20 | blondie | Cald: that's not possible afaik |
| 19:24.21 | cureless | Cald: set the directory +t |
| 19:24.25 | blondie | is it? |
| 19:24.26 | blondie | hm |
| 19:24.33 | Cald | not using the +i filesystem attributes |
| 19:24.40 | lelu | i got samba working great :D |
| 19:24.47 | Cald | i try +t |
| 19:24.47 | blondie | lelu: good |
| 19:25.20 | newbie_ | chmod 444 |
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| 19:25.54 | Nei | could someone give me a short intro on how to force apt(itude) to do what i want? |
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| 19:25.58 | blondie | newbie_: that won't help... the owner can change permissions of their files |
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| 19:26.05 | Cald | +t doesn't work |
| 19:26.13 | stew | Nei: you should almost never need to force anything, what are you trying to do |
| 19:26.15 | lelu | blondie: it wasnt too difficult... although ive nwo set up all the user accounts and everything runs great. but i want them to be able to share one folder... know how? |
| 19:26.19 | newbie_ | yes .. that's true |
| 19:26.19 | blondie | Cald: you'll have to change the owner of the directory |
| 19:26.29 | newbie_ | but why should he do? |
| 19:26.33 | Nei | stew, yes I know it generally isnt the right approach |
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| 19:26.37 | Nei | but I need to get rid of a package and I dont care whether it breaks dependencies |
| 19:26.42 | cureless | Cald: set the owner to be root.root and permissions to 1777 |
| 19:26.44 | Nei | but it must not remove other packages |
| 19:26.49 | stew | Nei: what are you going to replace it with? |
| 19:26.54 | h2so4 | hi, does anyone here did fam and imon work ? |
| 19:27.12 | stew | Nei: you can force it one time, but then it will complain and try to fix the broken dependencies every time you use aptitude or apt-get from then on |
| 19:27.16 | blondie | Nei: I want to do that too... I just rm-ed the files in the end |
| 19:27.27 | Nei | blondie, <_<;; |
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| 19:27.27 | stew | Nei: what is the package you are trying to remove? |
| 19:27.29 | blondie | probably not wise though :P |
| 19:27.41 | cureless | don't remove packages if they break dependencies |
| 19:28.00 | cureless | it's a lazy way to "solve" a problem. Find the real solution |
| 19:28.01 | Nei | cureless, there are certain cases where the package management is more wise than good |
| 19:28.09 | blondie | cureless: what is the real solution? |
| 19:28.16 | cureless | what is the real problem? |
| 19:28.19 | foo | How can I start a process as another user? |
| 19:28.22 | Nei | cureless, stew, not an official one... the package is buggy and causes my X to not start anymore |
| 19:28.24 | stew | foo: use sudo |
| 19:28.25 | blondie | not wanting something installed? |
| 19:28.35 | Nei | but removing it would cause my whole window manager to get deleted as well |
| 19:28.37 | stew | Nei: what package, and what depends on it? |
| 19:28.37 | h2so4 | what must I uso to do file modification monitor ? |
| 19:28.39 | foo | stew: What are the params? I'm leaving for vacation ... I only found -H in the man page.. hmm |
| 19:28.40 | newbie_ | state a problem: let a be a variable .... |
| 19:28.42 | cureless | foo: or su if you must |
| 19:28.49 | foo | cureless: with what args? |
| 19:28.59 | cureless | foo: man su |
| 19:29.02 | blondie | (I don't want sudo on any of my systems but things seem to "require" it) |
| 19:29.02 | stew | foo: "sudo -u user command" you have to setup sudoers, man suduers |
| 19:29.07 | foo | stew: thanks! |
| 19:29.10 | Nei | stew, emodule0-taskbar |
| 19:29.32 | newbie_ | i don't believe anything |
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| 19:29.42 | stew | Nei: are you running elive or something? |
| 19:29.43 | Newk | stew: i was entering (after the chroot process): grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub i got these errors: /sbin/grub-install: line XXX: /dev/null: permission denied |
| 19:29.44 | cureless | Nei: if the package is not official then other (official) packages shouldn't depend on it |
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| 19:29.51 | Nei | I just want to get rid of it.. it might cause a little breaking, but at least my windowmanager should start up again |
| 19:30.05 | Nei | cureless, only unofficial packages depend on it (e17 stuff) |
| 19:30.17 | newbie_ | overflow |
| 19:30.20 | stew | Newk: you need to "mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev" before you chroot so that the chroot has a populated /dev |
| 19:30.23 | cureless | Nei: well, there might be a reason for the dependency, no? |
| 19:30.30 | Nei | cureless, sure is |
| 19:30.35 | stew | Nei: install an equiv for the package you want to remove, /msg dpkg equivs |
| 19:30.45 | Newk | stew: ah |
| 19:31.00 | Newk | stew: will try that |
| 19:31.16 | stew | Newk: wait though, are you sure it wants to remove real packages and not just metapackages? |
| 19:31.32 | newbie_ | how can i get rid of "eth0: too much work at interrupt, intrStatus=0x0040." messages frequently appearing? |
| 19:31.37 | Cald | same problem if i set owner/grp to root, i must keep the +w for users to add/delete they own files |
| 19:31.58 | cureless | Cald: did you set the permissions to root.root 1777? |
| 19:32.01 | blondie | Cald: there is no solution |
| 19:32.03 | stew | Newk: for instance, if you were to remove, say, gnome-panel it would remove the "gnome" packge, which isn't a probablem since "gnome" doens't provide any real functionality, its just a metapackage which pulls in other packages |
| 19:32.17 | blondie | Cald: unless you use windows with NTFS or something |
| 19:32.17 | Newk | stew: i dont know if it even wants to remove anything |
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| 19:32.51 | Cald | yes cureless |
| 19:32.58 | Nei | stew, how about the quick hack that will force the removal but make apt complain every time? |
| 19:32.58 | stew | Newk: "apt-get --simulate remove packgename" would tell you |
| 19:32.59 | Newk | stew: im pretty new to linux |
| 19:33.20 | stew | oh crap |
| 19:33.24 | stew | i'm getting people confused |
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| 19:33.45 | stew | Newk: nevermind those last couple of lines from me |
| 19:33.58 | cureless | Cald: you should doublecheck. |
| 19:33.58 | stew | Newk: you do want to mount --bind ... however |
| 19:34.04 | pumpkin0 | how do i tell xorg to ignore my middle mouse button ? |
| 19:34.04 | cureless | blondie: stop confusing Cald |
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| 19:34.22 | stew | Nei: dpkg -r --force-depends packagename |
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| 19:34.26 | cureless | Cald: what is the permissions of the directory? |
| 19:34.31 | cureless | are* |
| 19:34.32 | Newk | stew: ok will try that first |
| 19:34.37 | Nei | stew, the packager should have used a meta package here without doubt that allows me to rid myself of taskbar without causing other stuff to get broken |
| 19:34.41 | Nei | but he didnt |
| 19:34.49 | Cald | hmm, i setted +t it wasn't worked, i setted 1777 it works |
| 19:34.54 | Cald | i test again |
| 19:35.03 | cureless | Cald: yes, it works. |
| 19:35.23 | stew | Nei: don't complain when you get yourself into a wonky state using the --force-options though, you really should be installing an equiv |
| 19:35.46 | cureless | Nei: why don't you find out why X is failing? |
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| 19:36.06 | Nei | cureless, it is not X that is failing, it is my wm |
| 19:36.20 | Nei | stew, yes I will look into that equiv stuff.. |
| 19:36.32 | stoned | god I hate self righteous dicks |
| 19:36.34 | cureless | Nei: so find out why it's failing. Are you sure removing that package will fix things? |
| 19:36.37 | Nei | but it looks like it requires a little bit reading and messing with debian/rules |
| 19:36.48 | Nei | cureless, because that part of the wm is buggy |
| 19:37.07 | Nei | and if I remove that package, it wont be able to find that part anymore, and thus fix things |
| 19:37.50 | Newk | stew: "mount --bind /dev /chroot/dev" is it just "/dev" or is it "/dev/the-device-where-my-debian-is" ? |
| 19:37.52 | cureless | nevermind then |
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| 19:39.29 | stew | Newk: if you have your / mounted in /target it would be: "mount --bind /dev /target/dev" ; the --bind just means, make /dev appear also in /target/dev, so afterwards, when you "chroot /target" then "ls /dev" you will see the same /dev as the /dev outside the chroot |
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| 19:42.35 | Newk | stew: oh ok... but i think there is no diffrence between them... the device is my hda2... knoppix live cd recognizes it as the same hda2... i think |
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| 19:43.56 | stew | Newk: the problem is that /mnt/hda2/dev isn't fully populated, so you need to "mount --bind /dev /mnt/hda2/dev" before you "chroot /mnt/hda2" ; then after you chroot you should "mount /proc" as well so that /proc is populated |
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| 19:44.02 | newbie_ | how can i get rid of "eth0: too much work at interrupt, intrStatus=0x0040." messages frequently appearing? |
| 19:44.30 | sigma957 | newbie: did you google the error message? |
| 19:44.38 | cureless | newbie_: what network card are you using? |
| 19:45.08 | newbie_ | yes, but there aren't any feasible solutions .. everything i've tried so far hasn't worked |
| 19:45.26 | newbie_ | it's a 8139d chip on an anubis card |
| 19:45.48 | ru | fatmouse does not make things |
| 19:45.53 | ru | he simply makes things better |
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| 19:46.21 | Nei | stew, great, I made a dummy package now :) |
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| 19:48.20 | angelos- | men, in which dir are windows partition located ? |
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| 19:48.42 | stew | angelos-: "fdisk -l" should list all known partitions |
| 19:48.49 | ru | ok ive installed debian now |
| 19:48.51 | blondie | angelos-: umm, wherever you mount them, or do you mean the /dev ? |
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| 19:48.59 | blondie | stew: that often doesn't work :( |
| 19:49.04 | angelos- | in the dev dir ? |
| 19:49.08 | ru | there are still two lilo's in refit, any idea how to remove the second one ? |
| 19:49.11 | angelos- | how do I mount ntfs partition ? |
| 19:49.16 | fando | hi, any good gif animation programs on debian, using the gimp is a little tedious :( |
| 19:49.41 | cureless | angelos-: mount should work |
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| 19:50.02 | angelos- | mmthx |
| 19:50.10 | ru | blondie is gay |
| 19:50.19 | rcbarnes | I need a hand with mkisofs. I am incessently getting errors about name collisions with -R and -J, but they aren't files in the same dir. |
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| 19:50.31 | stew | ru: i've silenced you for 10 minutes |
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| 19:51.03 | xsdg | I've got apt 0.6.44.2, and it's complaining about the public key. Why doesn't it have the key? (the "2006 key" factoid suggests that the key was updated as of 0.6.43.x) |
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| 19:53.24 | angelos- | is there a live rescue cd to automount read/write ntfs partition ? and with a windows-explorer like file manager ? |
| 19:53.41 | Newk | stew: it did now reported to have no errors... doing a boot now... hope its all right |
| 19:53.44 | cureless | angelos-: it's called windows |
| 19:53.51 | blondie | angelos-: bart's PE |
| 19:55.03 | Cald | cureless it works, thx |
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| 19:55.28 | Cald | i didn't set the root group, so i can use another group it works too, only directory owner can add/delete |
| 19:55.54 | thevic | anybody use speech recognition? |
| 19:56.07 | mha13 | im getting error that parttion is readonly when it is mounted as rw (ext3) |
| 19:56.31 | BartX | is there any ext2 browser from windows? i need to copy some things from ext2 linux partition to windows ntfs partition |
| 19:57.31 | blondie | BartX: yes |
| 19:57.50 | vulture | BartX: google: ex2fs explorer |
| 19:58.06 | BartX | thanks |
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| 19:58.25 | BartX | thanks a lot |
| 19:59.17 | angelos- | is there a windowsxp live cd ? |
| 19:59.22 | twisted`_ | nope |
| 19:59.30 | Eclipser | there was at some point :) |
| 19:59.37 | Eclipser | no idea where though |
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| 20:00.39 | Newk | stew: i can boot them both again :] but the menu.lst looks diffrent now... but it actually doesnt matter ... thank you very much for helping out! :D |
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| 20:01.32 | stoned | angelos-, yes |
| 20:01.35 | stew | Newk: you're welcome. if you run "update-grub" after you boot, it should make the menu.lst reflect the installed kernels |
| 20:01.44 | BartX | I haven't installed Debian yet, i'm still downloading it. Can I install it on an ext3 partition? |
| 20:01.49 | angelos- | stoned were |
| 20:01.51 | stoned | angelos-, you have to make one, you can use bartpe or some other stuff. It isn't THAT hard to create xp live cds |
| 20:01.59 | stoned | angelos-, many tutorials on google |
| 20:02.12 | Newk | stew: maybe someone needs to change /msg dpkg fixmbr |
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| 20:02.37 | BartX | or reiserfs? |
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| 20:02.44 | angelos- | stoned is there any precompiled ? |
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| 20:02.57 | stoned | angelos-, not that I know of |
| 20:02.59 | angelos- | ready to download an use ? |
| 20:03.01 | angelos- | pitty |
| 20:03.12 | ru | stew: I understand |
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| 20:03.14 | stoned | angelos-, but it is certainly possible with some work |
| 20:03.26 | stoned | angelos-, you shouldn't be asking about this here in #debian, please |
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| 20:03.33 | ru | stew: I would like to extend my most sincere and humble apologies |
| 20:03.41 | stoned | angelos-, please try ##windows here on freenode or #windows95 on dal.net |
| 20:03.46 | blondie | RichiH: thanks for the notice... |
| 20:03.46 | ru | blondie: I am sorry i said that mean thing |
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| 20:04.04 | blondie | ru: I'd already forgotten ;) |
| 20:04.04 | stoned | blondie is happy |
| 20:04.05 | stoned | ;) |
| 20:04.16 | stoned | lol, sorry could'nt resist |
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| 20:04.31 | stew | !no fixmbr is <reply>So you installed windows after debian, huh? Tssk. Boot to your debian install disk or whatever else you have, switch to the other console (alt-f2), then mount your root filesystem (mount -t ext2 /dev/whatever /target ; mount --bind /dev /target/dev ), then chroot into it (chroot /target) then run "mount /proc ; grub-install /dev/hda && update-grub" |
| 20:04.31 | stoned | blondie, did you ever get that disk mounted on boot? |
| 20:04.31 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 20:04.36 | angelos- | blondie are you gay ? |
| 20:04.41 | blondie | stoned: no |
| 20:04.43 | blondie | angelos-: ye |
| 20:04.43 | blondie | s |
| 20:04.57 | stew | angelos-: please keep it on topic |
| 20:05.02 | angelos- | I want to rip your arse |
| 20:05.05 | stoned | blondie, hmm. I read the manpage again |
| 20:05.09 | stoned | angelos-, stop it |
| 20:05.20 | stoned | blondie, I still can' tfigure out what the fuck pass/dump are |
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| 20:05.38 | blondie | stoned: I did work out what one of them did, but I've since forgotten |
| 20:06.18 | stoned | blondie, you toke? heh, thats what destroyed my short term memory |
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| 20:06.57 | stew | ru: it seems like you need to edit the refit bootloader / config file somehow. the fact that it is booting and showing you two possibly lilo instances doesn't mean that lilo is on the mbr, it means refit is (and the mbr is only 512 bytes so 2 things really cant fit) |
| 20:07.10 | blondie | stoned: sadly not |
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| 20:07.45 | spaceboyy | could anyone plz nmap -p 110 165.146.176.54 -P0 |
| 20:07.52 | spaceboyy | and send me the output ok |
| 20:08.00 | spaceboyy | nmap -p 110 165.146.176.54 -P0 |
| 20:08.01 | spaceboyy | ok |
| 20:08.19 | ru | stew: Thanks, I checked the refit config, but cant find anything in there |
| 20:08.31 | stoned | yes, tetrahydrocannibinol delta9 destoyes the mylen sheath (fatty lipids/acids) on the nuerons cell body, which actually holds the short term memory. Alzheimers does the same thing, but it is much more severe, and can deteriorate it completely, resulting in death, thank god toking up doesn't do it |
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| 20:08.33 | spaceboyy | ru, can you plz |
| 20:08.44 | yang | spaceboyy: 110/tcp open pop3 |
| 20:08.52 | spaceboyy | yang, ok thanks |
| 20:09.02 | stoned | blondie, just a random fact :) |
| 20:09.17 | spaceboyy | yang, again |
| 20:09.20 | spaceboyy | yang, plz |
| 20:09.24 | blondie | o.O |
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| 20:09.38 | stoned | stop making faces lol |
| 20:09.49 | stoned | oh I forgot to setup dmix |
| 20:09.50 | stoned | doh |
| 20:09.52 | stoned | !dmix |
| 20:09.53 | dpkg | rumour has it, dmix is an alsa subsystem which allows a music device to play multiple sound streams simultaneously without the need for an external sound server. See http://alsa.opensrc.org/index.php?page=DmixPlugin, or another sample asound.conf at img.hexus.net/v2/features/foss/a3/images/asound.conf, or http://phaeronix.net/asoundrc |
| 20:09.55 | spaceboyy | yang, and? |
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| 20:10.14 | yang | spaceboyy: its filtered now |
| 20:10.24 | spaceboyy | yang, great :) |
| 20:10.38 | Eulex | stoned, you don't need to, it will be set up by default |
| 20:10.51 | abrotman | spaceboyy: STOP ASKING THAT IN HERE |
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| 20:11.03 | spaceboyy | abrotman, why? |
| 20:11.10 | abrotman | because it has nothing to do with debian? |
| 20:11.16 | kspath | abrotman: apparently having guidelines and enforcing them is mean |
| 20:11.30 | abrotman | isn't this why steve gibson made his handy website? |
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| 20:11.37 | stoned | Eulex, hmm, really, because I just realized it is already setup, but not because of any reasons besides the one that my /home is a seperate disk and when mounted with same username, stoned, ~/.asoundrc exists and is properly configured all the time |
| 20:11.38 | spaceboyy | abrotman, of course it isent, that's what makes it fun |
| 20:11.55 | stoned | Eulex, I didn't know it is setup by default now |
| 20:11.57 | stew | spaceboyy: if you don't have anything debian related please move on |
| 20:12.02 | spaceboyy | no |
| 20:12.31 | kspath | spaceboyy: bye |
| 20:12.34 | abrotman | stew: he was doing it last night too |
| 20:12.40 | Eulex | stoned, heh, ok. you don't need ~/.asoundrc anymore if all your such file does is enable dmix |
| 20:12.49 | stoned | spaceboyy, please consult #networking or something and ask them, they might help you |
| 20:13.14 | stoned | Eulex, huh, interesting. Why is that, when did it start bieng there by default? |
| 20:13.15 | spaceboyy | being helped already by yang |
| 20:13.40 | stew | spaceboyy: yang: please take it elsewhere then. please limit discussion in here to debian related support |
| 20:13.52 | yang | is there a "debian newbie guide somewhere, with basic commands?" |
| 20:14.00 | abrotman | !tell yang about grounding |
| 20:14.00 | stoned | !grounding |
| 20:14.01 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 20:14.04 | stoned | jinx |
| 20:14.29 | stoned | cool, I said jinx, now if abrotman talks I get to punch him, really hard! |
| 20:14.30 | stoned | hehe |
| 20:14.35 | Eulex | stoned, oh, sorry, I'm partially wrong. it happened for alsa 1.0.9rc2, and sarge has an older version than that |
| 20:14.48 | stoned | Eulex, yes, I was talking about my sarge laptop |
| 20:14.48 | stew | stoned: doesn't your just mentioning his name negate that, however |
| 20:15.02 | stoned | stew, oh darnit |
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| 20:15.09 | Yoric | hi |
| 20:15.11 | stoned | stew, well, heres a stoner for ya |
| 20:15.12 | stoned | lol |
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| 20:15.39 | stoned | Eulex, I didn't have to enable dmix on my sid box |
| 20:17.47 | stoned | ok, well, I have decided to say fuck you to xcaht, and Im going back to irssi. I'll see ya'll in a bit from there |
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| 20:29.11 | BartX | which is the largest file you can save on an ext2 fs? |
| 20:29.36 | BartX | some websites says 2gb and some ohters says 2TiB ¿?¿? |
| 20:29.48 | BartX | what about ext3? |
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| 20:31.03 | Nei | it depends on your block size |
| 20:31.11 | stew | BartX: it depends on the blocksize, ext3 and ext2 would be the same, its certainly bigger than 2gb |
| 20:31.35 | Nei | 16 gb |
| 20:31.44 | Nei | it's certainly not 2tb unless on alpha |
| 20:31.58 | blondie | 16GB-2TB |
| 20:32.08 | blondie | or perhaps 16GiB-2TiB |
| 20:32.20 | epsilon | file or filesystem? |
| 20:32.20 | blondie | but not 2GiB/GB |
| 20:32.24 | blondie | file |
| 20:32.29 | epsilon | 1TB |
| 20:32.37 | blondie | no |
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| 20:33.06 | blondie | well |
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| 20:33.16 | epsilon | don't complain to me, that's what the official FAQ is saying |
| 20:33.21 | blondie | where is that? |
| 20:33.37 | epsilon | http://batleth.sapienti-sat.org/projects/FAQs/ext3-faq.html |
| 20:33.51 | Vladi | hi, i have a megaraid ata raid card i4 and am wondering how i can set he cache mode or any other parameters on it? |
| 20:34.08 | wols_ | BartX: filesize changed with some 2.2 or 2.4 kernel. and yes you can have a 2 TiB file |
| 20:34.13 | BartX | I need being able to store files at least of 4,7 gb |
| 20:34.31 | wols_ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ext2 |
| 20:34.43 | BartX | i asked because I read somewhere that roof was 2gb |
| 20:34.56 | wols_ | run a 2.6 kernel and you will have guaranteed up to 2 TiB files |
| 20:34.56 | BartX | yes, wikipedia says tibs |
| 20:34.56 | epsilon | 4.7GB is no problem, I store DVD-ISO on ext3 every day |
| 20:34.57 | Nei | ext2 is always limited |
| 20:34.59 | abrotman | it was .. a long time ago |
| 20:35.13 | wols_ | I doubt that it was only 2GB. that's the FAT16 limit. ext2 never was as bad as FAT16 |
| 20:35.18 | blondie | epsilon: I'll correct wikipedia then :) |
| 20:35.27 | BartX | thanks epsilon |
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| 20:35.51 | Nei | but just for dvd isos you can probably use any fs |
| 20:36.10 | Nei | but if you're just setting up new, why not go for a more sophisticated fs? |
| 20:36.18 | BartX | the thing is that i need read dvd iso from windows too |
| 20:36.28 | Nei | ah |
| 20:36.30 | BartX | that's why i want to use ext2 or ext3 |
| 20:36.39 | Nei | well that is a problem then I guess ;) |
| 20:36.47 | BartX | and use extdfsd |
| 20:37.03 | abrotman | !explore2fs |
| 20:37.03 | dpkg | rumour has it, explore2fs is a win32 utility that lets you read and write(at your own risk!) ext2 file systems under win9x/nt/2000. URL: http://uranus.it.swin.edu.au/~jn/linux/ [Ask me about ext2ifs] |
| 20:37.31 | BartX | i'll install debian on ext2 i think |
| 20:37.32 | wols_ | I heard of a filesystem driver for windows which can do read/write for ext2/ext3 |
| 20:37.35 | wols_ | anyone know its name? |
| 20:37.42 | wols_ | BartX: no. ext3 |
| 20:37.54 | Jamster | BartX: definitely ext3 |
| 20:38.01 | BartX | does explore2fs work right with ext3? |
| 20:38.03 | Jamster | yes |
| 20:38.04 | wols_ | yes it does |
| 20:38.08 | Jamster | at least when it comes to reading. |
| 20:38.21 | BartX | ok, so ext3 it will. thanks every time :) |
| 20:38.39 | BartX | yes, read-only, I don't pretend to write |
| 20:38.55 | BartX | i'll use ntfs to write from windows to linux to read |
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| 20:39.12 | abrotman | xfs can do PB :) |
| 20:39.24 | Nei | explore2fs is meh |
| 20:39.33 | Nei | try ext2 ifs for windows ;) |
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| 20:40.34 | BartX | it says "(x86 processors only)" i got amd64 but windows 32 bit. Will it work? |
| 20:40.47 | blondie | should do |
| 20:41.01 | BartX | let see.. |
| 20:41.20 | Jamster | BartX: x86 describes pretty much every Amd and Intel processor. |
| 20:41.37 | Nei | even with windows64 you can still use ia32 executabled and it will automatically use emulation, although I guess kernel modules might be a different thing |
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| 20:41.56 | BartX | ok |
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| 20:42.12 | Nei | but with windows32 your cpu is in fact an x86/ia32 |
| 20:42.28 | madclicker | i have 256 MB of memory and 210 MB is being used, how can i see what is using all that memory? |
| 20:42.32 | BartX | yes, i know |
| 20:42.55 | BartX | i just asked because it says x86 processors instead of "x86 platform" |
| 20:43.35 | BartX | IT WORKS GREAT! |
| 20:43.35 | ekix | hi. apt-file seems to be broken because ftp mirrors Contents-<arch>.gz are all empty. anybody know more about this issue? |
| 20:43.57 | BartX | I'm really surprised |
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| 20:44.45 | Nei | ekix, yeh I stumbled upon that too, dunno anything about though |
| 20:45.14 | ekix | Nei, ok. |
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| 20:49.27 | Nei | BartX, there is another cool thing you can do |
| 20:49.45 | Nei | use colinux on windows to mount any linux filesystem you want, then access it via smv |
| 20:49.48 | Nei | *smb |
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| 20:50.53 | Nei | stoned, didnt you want to switch to irssi? |
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| 20:51.14 | Phrozen_One` | do linux file colors show when connected via ssh in PuTTY? |
| 20:51.27 | Nei | file colors? |
| 20:51.28 | Nei | bwahahaa |
| 20:51.38 | wols_ | yes they show |
| 20:51.52 | Nei | files dont have colours |
| 20:51.58 | stoned | yea I did |
| 20:52.22 | stoned | and then I realized that right now I don't have the time and energy to configure it again. somehow I deleted my .irssi and now Im configureless |
| 20:52.23 | stoned | :/ |
| 20:52.32 | stoned | if that is even a word, confuration less whatever |
| 20:52.46 | Phrozen_One` | if I'm not seeing the file, directory,etc colors in my ssh session is that a configuration file in ssh daemon or debian distro config gile? |
| 20:52.49 | Phrozen_One` | **file |
| 20:53.03 | abrotman | madclicker: it's your video card |
| 20:53.09 | abrotman | madclicker: oh wait .. nm |
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| 20:53.22 | abrotman | !phillysmite award |
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| 20:53.53 | Wikipedia-Gast51 | what nic would you recommend for debian? |
| 20:54.20 | wols_ | the same as for any linux |
| 20:54.33 | stew | Wikipedia-Gast51: wired nic? imho you can't go wrong with intel |
| 20:54.38 | Award | abrotman: That's a fate worse than death :P |
| 20:55.07 | Wikipedia-Gast51 | which one ? |
| 20:55.14 | Wikipedia-Gast51 | does it matter? |
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| 20:55.39 | stew | Wikipedia-Gast51: you mean like which e1000 for instance? |
| 20:55.46 | rhys | anyone know much about PA-RISC debian? |
| 20:56.27 | stew | Wikipedia-Gast51: when i asked a kenrel developer he seemed to indicate that you would see little if any difference at all between them on linux |
| 20:56.29 | Serinity | Hey guys, i need to rewrite on my boot loader after a windows reinstall. so i booted from cd and mounted my drive but i can't find grub-install in the install cd.... anyone please ? |
| 20:56.57 | Serinity | the cd is a debian network instal |
| 20:57.02 | jair | hello guys, anyone here use irssi? |
| 20:57.03 | Serinity | sarge... |
| 20:57.12 | Nei | Serinity, the debian cds dont have grub install |
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| 20:57.31 | Serinity | Nei, the debian installer installs grub... so how |
| 20:57.31 | Serinity | ? |
| 20:57.46 | Hoxzer | you guys dont happen to know how do I enable write support for sshfs? |
| 20:57.48 | wols_ | Serinity: it will be on your linux partition |
| 20:57.54 | itchi | jair: #irssi probably use it. But ask we never know here |
| 20:58.07 | Nei | it downloads the grub package, installs te grub package, and that will then in turn contain a grub install |
| 20:58.13 | jair | I have a question about indentifying with the username and password on the irssi text chat. |
| 20:58.15 | Wikipedia-Gast51 | ok thanks |
| 20:58.21 | jair | itchi: do you use irssi? |
| 20:58.39 | itchi | jair: Actually, yes, but i'm not an realy experienced user of it |
| 20:58.43 | Nei | either create grub boot flooppies or use grub install from within your exising debian install |
| 20:58.45 | Serinity | wols_, I mounted it, mounted /proc, ran MAKEDEV and it refuses to write to the disk, it says the drive doesn't have a corresponding bios drive |
| 20:58.50 | jair | it is a way I can eliminate to identify each time I access to the irc.freenode server? |
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| 20:59.05 | blondie | jair: connect using your nickserv password as the server password. |
| 20:59.20 | Nei | jair, you might want to read the irssi startup guide |
| 20:59.24 | jair | blondie: how will be the command then? |
| 20:59.32 | wols_ | jair: read the irssi docs at irssi.org. they show how, for freenode even |
| 20:59.33 | blondie | jair: I'll tell you in #irssi :P |
| 21:00.00 | wols_ | Serinity: mount and chroot it |
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| 21:00.00 | itchi | blondie: In #irssi you are not so happy :-p |
| 21:00.05 | Serinity | i did |
| 21:00.09 | blondie | itchi: aren't I? |
| 21:00.37 | jair | haha now we will play at "I know but I will not tell you"? people in #debian should get more serious about helping and supporting the community in debian and GNU software |
| 21:00.38 | Serinity | I mounted it, chroot'ed, MAKEDEV, mounted /proc |
| 21:01.01 | blondie | jair: you should get more serious about asking in the right channel |
| 21:01.03 | itchi | blondie: On #irssi, i find the people strange, look like the people are bussy there and not what to ask questions, when he need to he do it realy on an unhappy way :-/ |
| 21:01.16 | blondie | jair: I never said I wouldn't tell you, I said I'd tell you IN THE RIGHT CHANNEL |
| 21:01.21 | Serinity | jair, It already exists, it's called RTFM |
| 21:01.28 | blondie | or that |
| 21:01.34 | Nei | heh |
| 21:01.40 | blondie | itchi: o.O |
| 21:01.45 | blondie | itchi: #irssi is rather unbusy |
| 21:01.58 | itchi | blondie: To unbusy then ;-) |
| 21:02.04 | jair | any one have any question ask me if I know it I will tell you and help you right here right now. |
| 21:02.15 | Nei | even though it isnt their official channel, its still the biggest I think |
| 21:02.19 | Nei | (irssi) |
| 21:02.20 | blondie | jair: this channel is for debian support, not irssi support... |
| 21:02.36 | jair | that is why I am here on this channel on IRC |
| 21:02.38 | blondie | jair: tehre are different channels for different topics! |
| 21:02.49 | jair | GNU/debian |
| 21:02.53 | jair | GNU |
| 21:03.11 | jair | it is a lots of componets on debian |
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| 21:03.35 | blondie | whatever |
| 21:03.40 | Nei | if you dont like it here, why not install another distribution? |
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| 21:04.18 | jair | rsync, ssh, iptables, etc... but Debian have the characteristic of been a channel where people knows about Linux not like Redhat, or suse. I just know this and that. :( make me feel sick |
| 21:04.35 | jair | but it is ok I will continue here helping people in any topic |
| 21:04.41 | blondie | jair: it's called #debian for a reason |
| 21:05.40 | Thanatermesis | any person has look to "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" don't write any xorg.conf file on ETCH ? |
| 21:06.23 | blondie | !xmd5 |
| 21:06.23 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 21:06.33 | stew | Thanatermesis: "/msg dpkg xorgmd5" however others have been reporting that it sometimes still won't overwrite, if this is the case, then check the bts and maybe reportbug |
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| 21:06.42 | blondie | yeah |
| 21:06.48 | meriad | only 55 minutes elft to burnnnn |
| 21:06.50 | blondie | I had to apt-get remove xserver-xorg |
| 21:06.55 | stew | !xmd5 is also ask me about <xorgmd5> if you are on xorg |
| 21:06.55 | dpkg | that's too long, stew |
| 21:06.57 | blondie | and then apt-get install xserver-xorg |
| 21:07.08 | Thanatermesis | thanks stew :) |
| 21:07.13 | blondie | probably with a --purge thrown in. |
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| 21:08.12 | Thanatermesis | blondie, this is strange... well, on my case, because this "system" is a totally new clean debootstrap installed (the first version of xserver-xorg)... well, let me make a try to this |
| 21:08.29 | blondie | Thanatermesis: I think it's just broken currently :( |
| 21:08.33 | stew | Thanatermesis: please check teh bts and reportbug if it hasn't yet been filed |
| 21:09.18 | Thanatermesis | ok stew |
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| 21:09.24 | Thanatermesis | im looking to all this things ;) |
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| 21:09.46 | pearl | hi |
| 21:09.46 | Nei | mhmpf, why does debians w3m-img not display images :/ |
| 21:10.41 | stew | Nei: it does, either you have it turned off (hit o for options) or you are in a teminal that doesn't support it (try a vanilla xterm) |
| 21:10.56 | Nei | stew, no it doesnt on console |
| 21:11.24 | stew | itchi: don't do that please |
| 21:11.41 | itchi | stew: Sorry |
| 21:11.48 | meriad | yes especially mass versions :| |
| 21:11.54 | meriad | annoyancingly annoying |
| 21:12.18 | pearl | itchi: really bad |
| 21:12.42 | itchi | stew: It's just that irc script to see the irc apps used. Why it's there then?? in the irssi-scripts? |
| 21:13.26 | pearl | itchi: whoot? |
| 21:13.34 | pearl | you're crazy (: |
| 21:13.40 | stew | itchi: its there for checking the versions of other irc clients. just please don't use it in here |
| 21:14.29 | itchi | stew: Ok, understand. But i not uderstand what it could do you, like on my other irc client i not see especially just an line '* Received a CTCP VERSION from itchi (to #debian)' |
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| 21:15.15 | stew | itchi: i don't understand what you are asking |
| 21:15.35 | itchi | stew: Apart of that line Received a CTCP VERSION from itchi (to #debian). What see you? |
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| 21:15.45 | stew | itchi: nothing |
| 21:16.03 | Nei | itchi, he just doesnt want you to do it |
| 21:16.07 | itchi | stew: So why it can be are bad what i did? |
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| 21:16.28 | blondie | itchi: it's just annoying |
| 21:16.47 | blondie | and would be much more annoying if people did it all the time |
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| 21:17.16 | stoned | well hey |
| 21:17.19 | itchi | blondie: What can be are annoying? That line * Received a CTCP VERSION from itchi (to #debian) ?? |
| 21:17.19 | stew | itchi: becuase if lots of people did it it would be annoying. its also commonly used by would be attackers to look for vulnerabilities in the users |
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| 21:17.35 | stoned | I passed the test or whatever they had me take, so now I have a 'real' interview at dell on monday |
| 21:17.41 | stoned | yippy, here comes a stable paycheck, hopefully |
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| 21:18.07 | itchi | stew: It was just to see which clients are used, like i use xchat an now irssi. But these looks the most used, i see :-) |
| 21:18.12 | Blissex | stoned: it might even last a few years :-) |
| 21:18.23 | stew | itchi: please don't do it again. please stop discussing this |
| 21:18.42 | stoned | Blissex, let me start by apologizing you to about my what I said to you the other day, I was very annoyed with computers in general. So, sorry. |
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| 21:18.58 | Blissex | stoned: dont worry, a bit forgotten in general... |
| 21:19.02 | stoned | :) |
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| 21:19.16 | Blissex | stoned: but thanks for being kind |
| 21:19.19 | freecraft | I want to find more about debconf ... |
| 21:19.24 | stoned | yeh, it was my fault anyway |
| 21:19.39 | freecraft | google works ! |
| 21:19.43 | stoned | indeed it does |
| 21:19.50 | freecraft | -_- |
| 21:20.08 | Blissex | freecraft: that and some people work for google, so it does happen both ways :-) |
| 21:20.19 | itchi | stew: I need to pay attention with the script i use then in irssi-scripts :-/ It's just to get some basics info :-/ |
| 21:20.58 | itchi | stew: BTW how can i know which scripts i may authorised to use and which not? |
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| 21:21.12 | stoned | hehe, 644 |
| 21:21.43 | itchi | stew: These that do 'ctcp'? |
| 21:22.03 | stew | itchi: a 600 person channel is not the place to be playing with your irc scripts if you don't know what they do. |
| 21:22.26 | stew | itchi: /join #irssi |
| 21:22.27 | stoned | I always create a test chan and fuck around there with scripts |
| 21:22.32 | itchi | stew: I know what these i used do :-/ But people shoot me for that. Associal guys here :-/ |
| 21:22.39 | freecraft | Blissex: I work for google ... |
| 21:22.51 | stew | itchi: not to play with your scripts in there either, but they will help you with questions like "what does ctcp do" |
| 21:22.52 | Mazingaro | please I got a problem with acpi power on/off button, it doesn't work :( |
| 21:22.54 | Blissex | freecraft: perfect example :-) |
| 21:22.57 | stoned | freecraft, yeah, well, google works for me, muahahaha |
| 21:22.59 | stoned | lame joke |
| 21:23.08 | itchi | stoned: Yeah i know about it that everyone can create. Just that i have test an script here to see which clients are used :-/ |
| 21:23.15 | Mazingaro | I got button module loaded and acpid running |
| 21:23.27 | stoned | channel wide ctcp version, horrible idea |
| 21:24.16 | Serinity | wols_, Any other idea for the grub thing ? |
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| 21:24.35 | itchi | stew: Y |
| 21:24.47 | itchi | stew: That last you told is very userfull ;-) |
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| 21:25.03 | wols_ | a grub install floppy |
| 21:25.08 | Nei | itchi, in general if you just chat in this channel, on topic, you won't have a problem |
| 21:25.19 | stoned | itchi, if you are 'itching' to learn about irc protocols, you should consult the irc RFCs. They explain everything |
| 21:25.33 | itchi | Nei: Trying to know which irc client are used here ?? |
| 21:25.48 | abrotman | itchi: do NOT version everyone in the channel |
| 21:25.56 | Nei | itchi, that is (1) not chatting, (2) not related to debian |
| 21:26.03 | stew | can we please just drop it and move on. this discussion has gotten more annoying than the original offense. |
| 21:26.05 | abrotman | itchi: you'll find most use irssi or xchat probably |
| 21:26.29 | Nei | I'm sure he found that out with his mass version |
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| 21:27.05 | itchi | Nei: That's logged now in the log file i hope |
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| 21:27.23 | stoned | itchi, http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc.html <-- go here and read |
| 21:27.36 | lars-ut | software RAID1 drive question... |
| 21:27.46 | Nei | stoned, I dont think understanding irc is the problem here ;) |
| 21:27.50 | itchi | stoned: Thanks for the usefull link ;-) |
| 21:27.55 | stoned | sure |
| 21:28.17 | lars-ut | I'm running Debian 1:3.3.5-13 on a software RAID 1 setup w/6 partitions, |
| 21:28.41 | lars-ut | on 2 80GB drives. |
| 21:29.02 | lars-ut | I'd like to move to larger drives |
| 21:29.06 | stoned | lars-ut, try a complete sentence with a coherent thought, and specific question. |
| 21:29.08 | itchi | Nei: Like you see it, but stupid guys like you preffer to make more noise that needed, can you not tell what about it, no making more noise. _That_ you find nice! |
| 21:29.25 | lars-ut | stoned: ouch. ok |
| 21:29.27 | stoned | :) |
| 21:29.53 | stoned | itchi, drop it |
| 21:29.58 | stew | itchi: there is no reason to call other people "stupid". please just drop it already and move on |
| 21:30.01 | bulio | is there any drivers I can download for X.org in debian repos? |
| 21:30.13 | bulio | I think I need some to stpo my no screens found problem |
| 21:30.16 | stoned | bulio, for which GFX card? |
| 21:30.26 | bulio | lots |
| 21:30.41 | bulio | like ati, nvidia, old ati card, etc. |
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| 21:31.01 | stoned | bulio, /msg dpkg ati, /msg dpkg nvidia, /msg dpkg drxx |
| 21:31.05 | freecraft | where should debconf7 be? |
| 21:31.08 | wols_ | bulio: X.org already comes with all Free drivers. proprietary ones you have to download yourself |
| 21:31.25 | streuner | freecraft: #debconf-team |
| 21:31.29 | stew | bulio: "aptitude install xserver-xorg-video-all" will install all of the video drivers for xorg that are in debian |
| 21:31.35 | Blissex | lars-ut: best way is to get bigger disks and just copy across. |
| 21:31.45 | bulio | stew: is that recommended? |
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| 21:31.50 | streuner | freecraft: and read topic of that channel |
| 21:32.07 | freecraft | ##unavailable :PPPP |
| 21:32.14 | stew | bulio: its recommended that you install the "xorg" metapackage that pulls in everything that xorg might need |
| 21:32.15 | freecraft | something is wrong :P |
| 21:32.25 | stew | freecraft: its on irc.debian.org |
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| 21:32.37 | freecraft | stew: oh oh oh ... thx |
| 21:32.39 | streuner | freecraft: or irc.oftc.net |
| 21:32.50 | lars-ut | My thought is that I can move to larger drives by replacing one of the smaller drives in my RAID 1 array with a larger drive that has the same partition layout, just larger partitions. Thoughts? |
| 21:32.53 | bulio | stew: I did, and I get no screens found |
| 21:33.12 | Blissex | lars-ut: thats utterly delirious. |
| 21:33.12 | freecraft | streuner: omg thx >P |
| 21:33.15 | stoned | bulio, paste the output of the error on pastebin somewhere |
| 21:33.25 | stoned | bulio, also paste your xorg.conf file |
| 21:33.29 | stoned | !paster bulio |
| 21:33.30 | dpkg | bulio: put your output on http://channels.debian.net/paste so we can see it. DO NOT paste into the channel. |
| 21:33.31 | stew | freecraft: and it looks like there is no #debconf-team but there is a #debconf-edinburgh which might answer your question |
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| 21:33.55 | war95 | lars-ut: you'd need to have the same partition size |
| 21:33.56 | streuner | stew: there is. |
| 21:33.59 | war95 | larrikin: otherwise you will have problems |
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| 21:34.35 | stew | streuner: a #debconf-team? if so its +s |
| 21:34.37 | lars-ut | Blissex, war95 : really? I was going to make the partitions larger but enumerate them the same, & dd the MBR over |
| 21:34.38 | freecraft | and what about "Sarajevo" ? |
| 21:34.46 | bulio | http://img346.imageshack.us/img346/4527/mainmod6en.png |
| 21:34.50 | abrotman | i don't think it needs quotes |
| 21:34.55 | streuner | stew: true |
| 21:35.07 | freecraft | abrotman: ofc |
| 21:35.14 | abrotman | right |
| 21:35.17 | jshoenberger | Suggestions on an IMAP compatable mail program please? |
| 21:35.19 | Blissex | lars-ut: reconsider the concept of mirroring :-). |
| 21:35.30 | lars-ut | Blissex, war95 : then I thought I could sync the RAID 1 array to the larger drive... I guess it can't sync if the blocks are different |
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| 21:35.43 | abrotman | freecraft: it's still being debated .. i don't think there's been a final decision on any location yet |
| 21:35.46 | stew | jshoenberger: client or server? |
| 21:35.47 | abrotman | jshoenberger: GUI? CLI? |
| 21:36.01 | lars-ut | Blissex, war95 : suggestions? |
| 21:36.10 | Blissex | lars-ut: copy... |
| 21:36.12 | jshoenberger | Server, no interface is needed, I've got a WebGUI fontend already |
| 21:36.17 | RobinhoPeixoto | where i find linux-kbuild-2.6.17 ? |
| 21:36.22 | abrotman | ah .. courier/cyrus/dovecot/uwimap |
| 21:36.27 | war95 | larrikin: ah ouch |
| 21:36.30 | stew | RobinhoPeixoto: you can't. its in the NEW queue |
| 21:36.31 | abrotman | in alphabetical order! |
| 21:36.32 | streuner | abrotman: monday 18:30 UTC |
| 21:36.38 | war95 | larrikin: what does fdisk -l /dev/disk1 /dev/disk2 say? |
| 21:36.42 | abrotman | streuner: is that the deadline? |
| 21:36.53 | abrotman | streuner: or decision time? |
| 21:37.00 | jshoenberger | Right then, thanks abrotman |
| 21:37.00 | streuner | abrotman: final debatte |
| 21:37.09 | stew | jshoenberger: i'd recommend dovecot or courier |
| 21:37.20 | jshoenberger | Okay, why? |
| 21:37.22 | streuner | abrotman: s/debatte/decision/ |
| 21:37.48 | abrotman | i wish i could use courier ... |
| 21:37.57 | abrotman | well .. i could .. but it would take a lot of extra work for management on my part |
| 21:38.17 | stew | i wish i could finish switching off courier |
| 21:38.20 | jshoenberger | Yea, I'm looking for simple... I'm a little new. |
| 21:38.45 | abrotman | jshoenberger: yeah .. courier or dovecot .. cyrus has great features, but is a nightmare to admin(so far) |
| 21:38.46 | lars-ut | Blissex: rsync /, /tmp, /usr, /var, /home, & boot to the new drive's partitions? |
| 21:38.58 | abrotman | jshoenberger: and of course .. above all else .. USE MAILDIR! |
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| 21:39.05 | stew | jshoenberger: and of courier and dovecot, dovecot is easier to admin |
| 21:39.08 | Blissex | lars-ut: not a bad plan. |
| 21:39.20 | jshoenberger | k, dovecot wins. I'll google it up and see what I can find. Thanks! |
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| 21:39.56 | phogg | does dovecot do ldap auth? |
| 21:40.07 | lars-ut | Blissex: I should be able to dd the MBR over as well, eh? |
| 21:40.08 | phogg | actually, never mind. Google it is. |
| 21:40.27 | Blissex | lars-ut: yes, but whats the point? You need to rewrite the partition table anyhow. |
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| 21:41.12 | lars-ut | Blissex: I'm handing this box over to someone else & I want to change as little as possible |
| 21:42.19 | lars-ut | Blissex: guess I'm going to be repartioning in setup anyway though... |
| 21:44.08 | lars-ut | Blissex, war95: think I'll shutdown the box, pull one of the hard drives, install one of the new larger ones & boot setup & repartition larger hdd, the rsync w/knoppix? |
| 21:44.21 | Blissex | lars-ut: looks good. |
| 21:44.58 | lars-ut | Blissex: thx |
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| 21:45.58 | Soeki | how can i give an user i created access via ftp my /var/www dir? |
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| 21:46.56 | Soeki | !chgrp |
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| 21:48.49 | Mazingaro | please, is there anyone that got acpi + power button working on unstable? |
| 21:50.29 | Soeki | how can i give an user i created access via ftp my /var/www dir? (sorry to repeat, bump) |
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| 21:51.11 | Eulex | hmm, is there any pdf viewer out there that will auto-scroll text with a specified speed? |
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| 21:52.48 | stoned | Eulex, maybe the firefox plugin + firefox's autoscroll? |
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| 21:53.08 | stoned | not quite what you are looking for though, and not sure if it will even work |
| 21:53.16 | Eulex | stoned, oh, there's a pdf plugin for firefox? |
| 21:53.27 | stoned | indeed. It is also packaged |
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| 21:53.39 | stoned | search mozilla|grep adobe |
| 21:54.23 | Eulex | umh, no results here |
| 21:54.25 | stoned | I don't know if it is in debian main or even in the deb repos. I have however seen/used it |
| 21:55.13 | stoned | mozilla-acroread |
| 21:55.18 | stoned | !info mozilla-acroread |
| 21:55.45 | stoned | ahh |
| 21:55.46 | stoned | found it |
| 21:56.00 | Eulex | oh, it's the official acroread plugin for mozilla? even the normal acroread ain't in debian |
| 21:56.01 | stoned | Eulex, add marillat's repositories and then get the mozilla-acroread package |
| 21:56.08 | stoned | !marillat |
| 21:56.09 | dpkg | i heard marillat is a repository of unofficial Debian packages, not in Debian for patent-related reasons, maintained by Christian Marillat. For instructions to add an APT source, ask me about <marillat.sarge> or <marillat.etch>. if you already used it, it moved to http://debian-multimedia.org/ (from ftp://ftp.nerim.net/debian-marillat/) Edit sources.list and change to the new location. |
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| 21:56.43 | stoned | Description: Adobe Acrobat(R) Reader plugin for mozilla / konqueror | Maintainer: Christian Marillat <marillat@debian.org> | Filename: pool/main/a/acroread/mozilla-acroread_7.0.8-0.0_i386.deb |
| 21:56.45 | Eulex | hmm.... I assume its license is non-free? |
| 21:56.54 | stoned | I guess, I don't know, I don't really care :) |
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| 21:57.48 | liran__ | how can i raise the amount of memory assigned for a user on the system? |
| 21:58.24 | stoned | I didn't know there were RAM limitations user based |
| 21:58.29 | bulio | If I do xserver-xorg-video-all, should an ati card work? |
| 21:58.36 | bulio | or atleast boot into X? |
| 21:58.47 | stoned | !ati |
| 21:58.47 | dpkg | wanna use newer ATI videocard in sarge? check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ati.txt, or for etch/sid see <fglrx> |
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| 21:58.57 | stew | bulio: yes, except for some very new x series cards |
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| 21:59.08 | stew | bulio: "man radeon" will tell you which cards are supported |
| 21:59.21 | bulio | so my card from 1999 should work fine |
| 21:59.26 | stew | bulio: without a doubt |
| 21:59.36 | bulio | works fine in debian |
| 21:59.37 | Eulex | liran__, such restrictions aren't added by default. but you can add and modify such restrictions in /etc/security/limits.conf |
| 21:59.40 | bulio | not morphix |
| 21:59.44 | bulio | so I hope xserver-xorg-video-all will make it work |
| 21:59.45 | lelu | im looking for a simple irc logging bot program that can be ran as a service in debian. anyone know of any good ones? |
| 21:59.57 | Eulex | bulio, what exact ati card? |
| 22:00.13 | stew | bulio: please go to #morphix for help with morphix |
| 22:00.33 | bulio | how can I tell my card? |
| 22:00.34 | stoned | lelu, hmm, I don't know of any, but maybe you can screen irssi with logging and add that to system startup |
| 22:00.41 | stoned | bulio, lspci -X |
| 22:01.25 | stoned | mmmm, mac & cheese |
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| 22:03.18 | bulio | Ati rage pro |
| 22:03.21 | bulio | vga compatible |
| 22:04.36 | stoned | I personally prefer and stick to nvidia |
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| 22:04.47 | stoned | I like nvidia, it keeps me happy |
| 22:04.54 | Soeki | what do i need to change to make my /var/www directory rw for some specific user via ftp? |
| 22:05.08 | bulio | but it should work with most ati cards now, no? |
| 22:05.40 | stoned | Soeki, why not let each user have a ~/public_html. don't make /var/www rw |
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| 22:05.56 | zinx | an ati rage pro should work fine with the 'ati' driver from xserver-xorg-video-all |
| 22:06.08 | stoned | bulio, yes, I think so, I've never owned ati cards, but if it a card from long ago, it should work with free drivers |
| 22:06.11 | zinx | but i don't think there's an 3d acceleration for that card |
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| 22:06.40 | stoned | bulio, although, you will not find morphix specific support here. Please join #morphix |
| 22:06.51 | Soeki | hi stoned im lost with that, where can i find the info on how to do it? |
| 22:07.15 | bulio | ok |
| 22:07.19 | bulio | I'm in morphix |
| 22:07.28 | bulio | but I'm downloading from debian repository =P |
| 22:07.32 | stoned | Soeki, in /etc/apache/httpd.conf make sure you have enable public_html and other things. Check apache doc, I can't recall exactly how to do it. Or join #apache please. |
| 22:07.48 | zinx | bulio: that's an excellent way to completely break your machine |
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| 22:09.46 | stoned | Soeki, default apache httpd.conf comes enabled with "UserDir public_html" so all any user needs to do is have a ~/public_html and then user http://server/~username/ |
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| 22:10.33 | Soeki | i was wondering that cuz i've seen it on webhosts |
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| 22:10.52 | DrDJo | Hello, where can i find apt-get source.list updated ?? |
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| 22:10.59 | DrDJo | for a debian sarge |
| 22:11.07 | tictac | ///etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:11.14 | DrDJo | yep but, links |
| 22:11.20 | DrDJo | for this list |
| 22:11.24 | stoned | Soeki, maybe you can default server root as /var/www and then use basic http auth to let a specific user in or use .htaccess |
| 22:11.25 | stoned | I dunno |
| 22:11.29 | tictac | !google sources.list |
| 22:11.30 | stoned | I don't reccommend it |
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| 22:11.40 | stoned | !mirrors |
| 22:11.41 | dpkg | i heard debian mirrors is use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
| 22:11.42 | simonrvn | / / |
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| 22:11.42 | stew | DrDJo: /msg dpkg mirrors |
| 22:11.44 | simonrvn | for irssi |
| 22:11.50 | stoned | jinx |
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| 22:11.55 | stoned | now I get to punch stew |
| 22:11.57 | stoned | :D |
| 22:12.02 | stew | easy |
| 22:12.06 | bulio | zinx: the morphix people told me to use debian repos to get packages |
| 22:12.11 | lucia_ | who can use the GD library? i'll create image for truetypefont... but don't setting size. |
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| 22:12.20 | Soeki | stoned yes but wouldnt that be http based? im using proftp so he can help me out with a site |
| 22:12.21 | stew | bulio: please go to #morphix |
| 22:12.47 | lucia_ | fontsize * strlen(word).... but diffent fontsize.. lol |
| 22:12.48 | sparr | is there any way to avoid having to reconfigure my usb0 interface when i restart my usbnet device? |
| 22:12.56 | Pragmatic | /msg #debian /etc/apt/sources.list |
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| 22:13.54 | *** mode/#debian [-b %*!*@d54C1038C.access.telenet.be] by stew |
| 22:13.54 | *** mode/#debian [-o stew] by stew |
| 22:13.55 | stoned | o_O |
| 22:14.41 | lucia_ | =_=; |
| 22:15.33 | Nei | simonrvn, tictac, you can jus write /etc/apt/sources.list and it will work |
| 22:15.40 | Nei | no need for ////// |
| 22:16.08 | tictac | /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 22:16.10 | tictac | hmm. |
| 22:16.37 | Pragmatic | Now apologize for kicking irssi. |
| 22:16.43 | Diguinho | can anyone tell me why this error keep happening: Jul 7 18:59:42 rodrigo kernel: hda: irq timeout: status=0xc0 { Busy } , Jul 7 18:59:42 rodrigo kernel: ide: failed opcode was: unknown, Jul 7 19:01:18 rodrigo kernel: hda: ATAPI reset complete. When that happens, I have to turn on again multcount, dma, unmaskirq with hdparm ... that's a bore. |
| 22:16.52 | Pragmatic | STOP DOING THAT |
| 22:16.55 | Nei | I can still recommend / /etc/apt/sources.list though - that will give you tab completion for /etc/apt/sources.list :) |
| 22:17.06 | tictac | Pragmatic: whats wrong with it? |
| 22:17.26 | tictac | Pragmatic: at least im not using xchat or *cringes* kvirc ;) |
| 22:17.49 | Pragmatic | Stop with the kicking! |
| 22:17.52 | Nei | indeed, irssi is the best *nix irc client |
| 22:18.00 | tictac | sure is. |
| 22:18.16 | tictac | sometimes you just gotta kick stuff to get it to work, suchas my ultra 1 now and then. |
| 22:18.22 | Nei | ;) |
| 22:18.51 | Nei | with nicklist and windowlist, irssi feels right like mirc |
| 22:18.54 | Pragmatic | ...If you kick it too hard, you'll kick out the magic blue smoke. |
| 22:19.01 | tictac | geting replaced by two ultra 2's tomorrow. only paid $20 for both and they have a gig or more of ram. :D |
| 22:19.06 | Nei | and you can easily manage 300, 400, windows |
| 22:19.18 | Nei | nice |
| 22:19.44 | tictac | govt surplus rocks, especially when you work for the govt to begin with and get a huge discount :D |
| 22:20.01 | Nei | hehehe |
| 22:20.14 | Nei | I dont have such benefits :/ |
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| 22:20.35 | tictac | Nei: too bad. :( |
| 22:20.42 | itchi | irssi is not so easy to use, lesser with an bad theme. |
| 22:20.42 | Nei | >_> |
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| 22:21.05 | caue | how i see the version of packages that i'll install? for example wine |
| 22:21.12 | tictac | the default theme is just fine for me. im just lazy to change it, that all. been that way for about 3 years. hah. |
| 22:21.14 | Nei | itchi, it would seem to me that this is more of a user problem ;) |
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| 22:21.27 | Nei | I need it bright |
| 22:21.36 | Nei | but also basing on the default theme |
| 22:21.47 | Nei | changing the texts big time isnt my thing |
| 22:22.03 | itchi | Nei: Possible. But i still leave on it that it's not so easy to use :-p |
| 22:22.20 | Nei | I think it is very easy to use |
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| 22:22.29 | Nei | just type what you want to say |
| 22:22.32 | Nei | done |
| 22:22.32 | itchi | Nei: It's many different than an gui where you not learn somethings about it |
| 22:22.41 | tictac | bbl. back to mysql. mmmm.. hot backups. |
| 22:22.51 | Nei | you only need to learn two commands ;) |
| 22:23.03 | Nei | and then it is much more straightforward than a gui client |
| 22:23.07 | caue | how i see the version of packages that i'll install? |
| 22:23.08 | itchi | Nei: I talk about the setup, config (see /set foo true), the scripts etc. |
| 22:23.18 | Nei | itchi, dont use them |
| 22:23.46 | itchi | Nei: Yeah, that's why im back to the irssi ;-) |
| 22:24.03 | Nei | mine --> http://onetrix.eu/irssivss_irssi.png |
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| 22:24.48 | itchi | Nei: Can you chat with it, seeing that pic :-/ |
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| 22:25.57 | Nei | chatting goes even better than without |
| 22:26.15 | itchi | caue: With 'apt-cache show <pkg>' Before you install it |
| 22:26.38 | rhys | am i missing something on this, " mount -t ext3 /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 /mnt" ?? it tells me "invalid argument |
| 22:26.45 | Nei | caue, if you use aptitude, you can also see it there in a column |
| 22:27.07 | itchi | rhys: Need you not to define /mnt/my_mount ? |
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| 22:27.50 | rhys | actually i wanted it to be mounted on /mnt, but ill try |
| 22:28.05 | itchi | caue: Once installed, you can do 'dpkg -l <pkg>' |
| 22:28.09 | rhys | acutally |
| 22:28.11 | rhys | that fails too |
| 22:28.15 | rhys | invalid argument |
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| 22:28.30 | rhys | i remove the -t ext3, and that fails too. "invalid argument" |
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| 22:29.10 | Nei | rhys, does it not say which part is an invalid argument? |
| 22:29.22 | Nei | do you really have /dev/scsi/blabla? |
| 22:29.27 | angelos- | who argeus ? |
| 22:29.47 | rhys | nope. "mount: Mounting /dev/scsi0/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 on /mnt/hdd failed: Invalid argument" |
| 22:30.13 | Nei | you'll need to use a device that exists |
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| 22:30.28 | wireddd | ok thats it, I am upgrading all of my computers to gigabit |
| 22:30.33 | max_m | How can I get current time from the Internet if UDP is blocked on a network? |
| 22:30.37 | rhys | opps. "scsi" not "scsi0" |
| 22:30.43 | rhys | that was typing in this |
| 22:30.47 | rhys | on my system i have it right |
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| 22:31.07 | becks` | hi, can i somehow see what programs have open connections with netstat? |
| 22:31.07 | rhys | its a PA-RISC box, and right now im in the ash shell of the installation cd |
| 22:31.15 | stoned | becks`, netstat - a|grep LISTEN |
| 22:31.16 | rhys | i have the mount the hdd to change kernels. the one loaded at default doesnt work |
| 22:31.44 | stoned | becks`, subtitute LISTEN with ESTABLISHED or whatever |
| 22:31.45 | becks` | ok stoned, but there's not a single line output :) |
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| 22:32.17 | becks` | okay thanks |
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| 22:32.41 | stoned | sure |
| 22:33.07 | rhys | Nei, you said to make sure it exists, it does. i just cd to it |
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| 22:33.29 | BlackBishop | hi all, |
| 22:33.33 | BlackBishop | I have a dir .. with 6000 files in it .. I'm tryin' to make a bash script to separate them in 200 files dirs .. |
| 22:33.49 | BlackBishop | anyone any ideea ? |
| 22:33.51 | angelos- | BlackBishop there is an application to do this |
| 22:34.01 | BlackBishop | angelos- like ? |
| 22:34.03 | angelos- | but its for win32 muahahah |
| 22:34.11 | BlackBishop | :( |
| 22:34.15 | stoned | BlackBishop, consult #bash for bash of course. This is not debian related afaict |
| 22:34.42 | BlackBishop | stoned .. eh .. well .. I was thinking of bash .. but can't figure a way to make a logic before starting to script the thing .. |
| 22:34.45 | rhys | angelos- ,thats mean |
| 22:34.50 | rhys | just...emean |
| 22:35.13 | angelos- | BlackBishop you will have to switch to windows to run this app |
| 22:35.28 | stoned | angelos-, please dont' be useless |
| 22:35.28 | itchi | On Debian Etch there are many more scripts that on Sarge in the irssi-scripts package ? |
| 22:35.29 | rhys | angelos- just fooking leave. sick bastard |
| 22:35.30 | angelos- | moreover, you will need to move to nfts in order to write properly your files |
| 22:35.53 | angelos- | I am giving him a solution to his problem! |
| 22:35.57 | BlackBishop | angelos- no thanks. |
| 22:36.00 | rhys | angelos- , you look at kiddie porn dont you |
| 22:36.03 | BlackBishop | I'm not moving to v1nbl0wz ! |
| 22:36.05 | BlackBishop | for anything ! |
| 22:36.09 | stoned | rhys, stop it |
| 22:36.17 | iarenaza | BlackBishop if using perl is not a problem, use opendir, readdir et all, and you'll get it in under 20 lines. |
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| 22:36.25 | jrf | lo |
| 22:36.33 | angelos- | rhys loser |
| 22:36.47 | stoned | angelos-, rhys, please take this elsewhere |
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| 22:36.54 | fasta | configure: WARNING: no configuration information is in readline |
| 22:37.01 | fasta | What is causing this warning? |
| 22:37.26 | fasta | AFAIK, I have the readline library installed. |
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| 22:38.40 | itchi | Is there a way to get some informations of an packages without having access to it. I mean i want to know what are in package irssi-scripts of an Debian Sarge but are on an Debian Etch |
| 22:38.52 | stoned | itchi, packages.debian.org |
| 22:39.23 | stoned | !tell itchi -about search |
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| 22:39.34 | itchi | stoned: Oh yeah :-) |
| 22:40.52 | itchi | stoned: It's that i not realy know in wath section it is. I have just find, the 'all package' link on the bottom of the page ;-) |
| 22:41.22 | angelos- | !tell BlackBishop -about windows |
| 22:41.45 | angelos- | <dpkg> told BlackBishop about windows. |
| 22:41.45 | stoned | !troll angelos- |
| 22:41.46 | angelos- | lol |
| 22:42.04 | angelos- | roflmao |
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| 22:42.25 | beardy | angelos-: You can "/msg dpkg windows" instead. |
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| 22:42.34 | stoned | !msg the bot |
| 22:42.35 | dpkg | hmm... msg the bot is please message the bot... not doing so could be considered an unnecessary flood. Instead of typing "!tell <your nick> about <topic>" you can just type "/msg dpkg <topic>". See also <selftell> |
| 22:43.09 | BlackBishop | angelos- thanks :) |
| 22:43.16 | angelos- | np |
| 22:43.19 | mad_slackie | night all! :) |
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| 22:43.26 | clarissa | mad_slackie: good night |
| 22:43.36 | stoned | clarissa explains it all |
| 22:43.45 | clarissa | no i dont x.x |
| 22:43.47 | stoned | then she got older and fatter |
| 22:43.51 | Eulex | angelos-, you obviously don't know what a script is. don't give advice when you have no clue. |
| 22:43.57 | stoned | no it was a tv show on Nickelodean when I was a kid |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | called "Clarissa explains it all" |
| 22:44.04 | stoned | :D |
| 22:44.22 | stoned | she was also the same girl in Sabrina the Teenage witch |
| 22:44.27 | stoned | cute girl |
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| 22:44.49 | clarissa | stoned: lol aaah you mean the tv show :3 |
| 22:44.58 | clarissa | thank you :X |
| 22:45.02 | Eulex | BlackBishop, what do you need to sort the files by? |
| 22:45.12 | angelos- | Eulex what are you talking about? get your clue http://lars.werner.no/wordpress/?page_id=2 |
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| 22:45.54 | stoned | where is a Gnea when you need one |
| 22:45.54 | stoned | :/ |
| 22:46.07 | clarissa | i have to reboot :) lol *g* |
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| 22:46.21 | Eulex | angelos-, what that program does can be done with a simple tar and split. |
| 22:46.36 | beardy | angelos-: This is #debian, we run and support Debian GNU/Linux here. Not Windows. |
| 22:46.42 | angelos- | then do it Eulex, I gave my answer, your turn now |
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| 22:47.02 | beardy | angelos-: If your answers isn't better than that, keep them to yourself. |
| 22:47.23 | Eulex | but I interpreted his question as if he wanted to sort his files into 200 dirs. |
| 22:47.37 | Eulex | or 200 files per dir |
| 22:47.50 | angelos- | Eulex you speak too much and you dont show anything |
| 22:48.08 | angelos- | instead of saying 'its so easy to do that', just tell him how to do it |
| 22:48.17 | stoned | Eulex, sssh... chill.. don't let him get the best of you. Clearly he is an idiot |
| 22:48.20 | simonrvn | angelos-: trolls get ignored |
| 22:48.22 | sparr | with a "standard" configure script, how do you affect what will become "CC=" in the makefile(s)? i need to use gcc-3.3 instead of gcc |
| 22:48.34 | angelos- | stoned I fuck your mom |
| 22:48.34 | angelos- | ;p |
| 22:48.44 | angelos- | dont call your dad idiot ;p |
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| 22:48.51 | BlackBishop | Eulex .. no criteria .. just 200 files in the order of "ls" :) |
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| 22:49.06 | beardy | !beer stew |
| 22:49.15 | Eulex | BlackBishop, 200 files per dir, that is? |
| 22:49.15 | stoned | Heineken! mmm |
| 22:49.17 | tictac | sparr: either export CC=/usr/bin/gcc-3.3 or rm /usr/bin/gcc && ln -s /usr/bin/gcc-3.3 /usr/bin/gcc |
| 22:49.18 | Nei | sparr, try CC=... ./configure ;p? |
| 22:49.19 | simonrvn | ...or kicked, heh |
| 22:49.23 | simonrvn | thanks stew |
| 22:49.25 | sparr | Nei: yeah, tried that |
| 22:49.34 | lurker99 | !beer all |
| 22:49.40 | sparr | tictac: it doesnt seem to listen to the environment variable |
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| 22:49.51 | tictac | sparr: so change the symlink |
| 22:49.57 | sparr | tictac: no. |
| 22:50.09 | tictac | okay.. dont get gcc 3.3 then. |
| 22:50.19 | tictac | have fun with your problem. |
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| 22:50.38 | sparr | <root> with a "standard" con... <--- to HIM you might suggest changing the symlink |
| 22:50.40 | sparr | i am but a lowly user |
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| 22:51.11 | stoned | sparr, then maybe you should ask your sysadmin to fix things |
| 22:51.25 | tictac | sparr: look in the Makefile. perhaps it already specifies a CC variable. |
| 22:51.29 | sparr | stoned: fix what? nothing is broken |
| 22:51.31 | sparr | tictac: it does. |
| 22:51.47 | tictac | sparr: so wtf are you asking us for then? change that. |
| 22:51.51 | paol0 | short nicks please, all must have the possibility to read your nicks or in any architecture they could apper trunked or too many long and this is not good, because you invite people to restrict the area of the channel (#) so causing difficulties to read your /msg for your high speed, enjoy yourself and happy hacking :-) paolo mailto:id3rfix@gmail.com bye bye paolo i turn back in away mode |
| 22:51.54 | beardy | sparr: No, but fix it so you can do what you want, if you can't do it yourself. |
| 22:51.56 | BlackBishop | Eulex .. you still alive ? |
| 22:51.59 | sparr | tictac: configure makes the makefile |
| 22:52.12 | sparr | beardy: im sure i can, if i can figure out how. root has nothing to do with this configure script |
| 22:52.15 | tictac | you can still edit it after you run configure. |
| 22:52.25 | sparr | tictac: there are hundreds of them. |
| 22:52.40 | tictac | sed is your friend. |
| 22:52.40 | beardy | sparr: No, that's why it was suggested to check the makefile, and give the gcc you want directly. |
| 22:52.49 | sparr | beardy: there are many makefiles |
| 22:53.16 | beardy | sparr: Are you sure it doesn't listen to your environment variable then? |
| 22:53.21 | sparr | beardy: yes |
| 22:53.34 | beardy | sparr: What are you building? |
| 22:53.52 | sparr | gngeo, a neogeo emulator |
| 22:54.12 | beardy | sparr: How many is "many" makefiles? |
| 22:54.13 | Eulex | BlackBishop, yeah... an idea is to do a for i in `ls -1` and move every file into a dir with a suffix which is number of files already processed divided by 200 and then rounded down to the nearest integer... not sure how to do that in bash, though. have been looking at bc but can't find a way to round it |
| 22:54.14 | sparr | ive had this problem the two other times ive not wanted to use gcc4 as well, but i eventually just gave up on one of them |
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| 22:54.23 | sparr | beardy: i dunno, 2 screens full. lemme count |
| 22:54.32 | sparr | 49 |
| 22:54.39 | becks` | should i use multi-user-workstation partitioning for a server? |
| 22:54.43 | beardy | sparr: sounds.. interesting :) |
| 22:55.15 | tictac | beardy: that or custom partitioning. /boot / /home /var /usr /tmp |
| 22:55.45 | beardy | becks`: ^^^^^^ what tictac told me |
| 22:56.01 | becks` | hehe okay thanks :) |
| 22:56.23 | Eulex | BlackBishop, ah, try this: echo "scale=0; 199/200" | bc -l |
| 22:56.33 | sparr | it is quite annoying that gcc is not backwards compatible |
| 22:56.42 | Eulex | and echo "scale=0; 200/200" | bc -l |
| 22:56.54 | Nei | it's more that programs arent forward compatible |
| 22:56.57 | sid | sparr: /join #gcc |
| 22:57.43 | BlackBishop | Eulex can I pm ya' ? :) |
| 22:58.10 | Eulex | BlackBishop, yeah... didn't see that you already did :) |
| 22:58.35 | BlackBishop | :P |
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| 23:00.01 | beardy | Wow, 10 minutes. Regulars get 14 hours. |
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| 23:02.06 | sussudio | beardy: or a month :-P |
| 23:02.20 | beardy | sussudio: Really? |
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| 23:02.31 | sussudio | beardy: bad ops |
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| 23:07.47 | mpoer | my zd1201-based usb stick works at boot, but if i unplug it, and plug it back in, it doesn't work. i've modprobed for usbcore, zd1201, and uhci_usb but they don't get the device working. any ideas anyone? (debian etch) |
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| 23:08.15 | hunterp | i rm /dev/null, then i rebooted the machine, now ssh isnt work but http is |
| 23:08.33 | beardy | hunterp: Why did you delete it? |
| 23:09.01 | beardy | hunterp: Not that it shouldn't pop back up, I guess, but seems unecessary. |
| 23:10.34 | Blissex | hunterp: '/dev/null' is pretty much essentialo to a lot of stuff. |
| 23:11.08 | Blissex | mpoer: Etch is not something that you should risk. Anyhow odds are either a dodgy kernel or fails to load the firmware. |
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| 23:12.25 | mpoer | well i'm running it and everything works fine... except this. i'm running kernel 2.6.15 |
| 23:12.29 | hunterp | Blissex: and restarting it does nothing ? |
| 23:13.10 | Blissex | hunterp: restarting what? You should recreate it. |
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| 23:14.34 | LinuxHelp | "(gedit:4446): gnome-vfs-modules-WARNING **: Could not initialize inotify" (debian testing), program still works but what causes this warning? |
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| 23:16.22 | karim | hi |
| 23:16.28 | karim | I have a problem with apt-get. when I upgrade all the packages, it ugprades them without error, but then apt-get wants to upgrade the same packages after that, like if nothing happened |
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| 23:17.16 | Blissex | mpoer: there have been lots of troubles with kernel and 'udev' in the not-stable repos, lots of odd changes. |
| 23:17.16 | Thanatermesis | stew, ok, i have found the bug and i can report it :) |
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| 23:17.53 | Blissex | LinuxHelp: 'inotify' is the directory/file changed dæmon. Maybe you haven't got it. Also, use 'gamin' in preference to 'inotify'. |
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| 23:19.27 | LinuxHelp | Blissex, ah so thats a kernel module I'm missing? |
| 23:19.42 | Blissex | LinuxHelp: no, it is just a user background program. |
| 23:20.18 | Blissex | LinuxHelp: unless you have compiled the kernel yourself and forgot to enable the inotify and dnotify support. |
| 23:20.32 | LinuxHelp | Blissex, well I cant find a package called inotify in the repos, but I do know I have gamin installed |
| 23:20.42 | LinuxHelp | Blissex, yes thats quite possible |
| 23:20.55 | Blissex | LinuxHelp: dont recompile the kernel, use the standard ones... |
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| 23:21.53 | mpoer | well what if i "./etc/init.d/udev force-restart" would that help? |
| 23:21.59 | mpoer | or just reload or whatever |
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| 23:23.32 | Blissex | mpoer: what I am suggesting is that perhaps the combo you are using is buggy... |
| 23:24.39 | mpoer | but it works at boot, just not if i unplug it and plug it back in. so doesn't that mean that the kernel and udev and w/e support it? |
| 23:24.47 | mpoer | can't i manually load the modules or something? |
| 23:25.33 | mpoer | i just don't know which modules to modprobe about |
| 23:26.22 | LinuxHelp | "[4319014.440000] smbfs: mount_data version -1208334336 is not supported" when I try mount an smb share, wonder what that means |
| 23:26.52 | stew | LinuxHelp: are you using smbfs or cifs? |
| 23:26.57 | Blissex | LinuxHelp: not a good share :-) |
| 23:26.58 | stew | oh |
| 23:27.05 | LinuxHelp | stew, er |
| 23:27.10 | LinuxHelp | same thing right? |
| 23:27.10 | stew | LinuxHelp: yeah it says smbfs, try cifs instead |
| 23:27.27 | stew | LinuxHelp: afaik smbfs is only legacy at this point |
| 23:27.30 | LinuxHelp | Windows XP "x64" |
| 23:28.01 | LinuxHelp | mount: unknown filesystem type 'cifs' |
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| 23:28.56 | stew | LinuxHelp: maybe you should put "try a debian kernel again" on that list :) |
| 23:30.29 | LinuxHelp | stew, my 2.6.17 custom is more stable than the stock 2.6.15, on my pc |
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| 23:30.53 | LinuxHelp | and its PREEMPT :D |
| 23:32.13 | becks` | tutorials always show how to set a fixed ip by using ifconfig - but what if i want to have this configuration after a reboot? |
| 23:32.23 | beardy | LinuxHelp: You mean it has crashed, at all? What were you doing then? |
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| 23:33.36 | stew | LinuxHelp: did you report a bug? |
| 23:33.43 | LinuxHelp | beardy, yeah graphics went all funy |
| 23:33.45 | nvz | cifs sounds like a sexually transmitted disease or something :P |
| 23:33.58 | LinuxHelp | lol nvz |
| 23:34.05 | LinuxHelp | stew nope soz |
| 23:34.22 | LinuxHelp | didnt know they took bug reports seriously for kernels that old |
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| 23:34.56 | stew | LinuxHelp: i'm assuming that when you were using 2.6.15 it was current |
| 23:35.13 | stew | and its still current in etch |
| 23:35.15 | LinuxHelp | stew, t'was |
| 23:35.28 | stew | LinuxHelp: then yes, it would have been taken seriously |
| 23:35.48 | stew | LinuxHelp: and anyway, i really doubt that you should be finding differences in stability due to the way a debian kernel is configured |
| 23:35.54 | LinuxHelp | stew, what do you mean by current? |
| 23:36.15 | LinuxHelp | there was 2.6.17, but 2.6.15 was newest debian |
| 23:36.57 | stew | &info linux-image-2.6-686 etch |
| 23:37.23 | LinuxHelp | stew, I dunno.. just seems better |
| 23:37.29 | stew | LinuxHelp: by current i mean that its still the current kernel in etch |
| 23:37.42 | LinuxHelp | I actually havent had a kernel this stable since 2.6.9 fc3 |
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| 23:38.49 | aptitude | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of stew) |
| 23:39.03 | dvs | &hello |
| 23:39.03 | aptitude | Hi, dvs! |
| 23:39.10 | LinuxHelp | &hi |
| 23:39.10 | aptitude | hello, linuxhelp |
| 23:39.11 | sussudio | LinuxHelp: the latest 2.6 kernel in debian is 2.6.8 |
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| 23:41.04 | LinuxHelp | how does that command go to install the Sun JDK? fakeroot java-package *.bin |
| 23:41.28 | beardy | LinuxHelp: More likely the fault of, I presume, the nvidia driver? |
| 23:41.30 | stew | LinuxHelp: /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian |
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| 23:41.34 | abrotman | !tell LinuxHelp about install java |
| 23:41.41 | stew | LinuxHelp: what version of debian are you running? |
| 23:41.49 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, I already did that :) |
| 23:41.54 | LinuxHelp | testing |
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| 23:44.07 | LinuxHelp | Okay, so I'm running fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin as my limited user |
| 23:44.28 | Kurtism | orly |
| 23:44.36 | LinuxHelp | yrly |
| 23:44.39 | Kurtism | hahaha |
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| 23:45.18 | Thanatermesis | stew, a friend is translating from my tarzanic to english for report the bug... if you like to make a look to my report: http://pastebin.ca/81876 |
| 23:45.40 | mtomczak | Greetings! I'm installing Debian on a recently-purchased Dell with a Windows install already in place. I'd like to make this machine dual-boot. |
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| 23:45.49 | dvs | !pity mtomczak |
| 23:45.50 | dpkg | I pity da fool mtomczak! |
| 23:46.06 | LinuxHelp | mtomczak, I just uninstalled windows the other day |
| 23:46.17 | LinuxHelp | best thing you could ever do |
| 23:46.28 | sid | !confuse mtomczak |
| 23:46.29 | dpkg | Yes, them was our gouda yesterday, mtomczak? breeches of the democracy of tibet with extra herring |
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| 23:46.56 | abrotman | mtomczak: you'll probably want to start by reinstalling windows on a smaller partition |
| 23:47.10 | LinuxHelp | mtomczak, you can ntfsresize |
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| 23:47.22 | LinuxHelp | using the GParted boot disk |
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| 23:47.32 | abrotman | if it's not full of data ... |
| 23:47.38 | mtomczak | *nod* right now the machine is single-partition, two hard drives (one hard drive per partition). |
| 23:47.48 | LinuxHelp | but its DANGEROUS, trust me |
| 23:47.50 | abrotman | one partition per harddrive? |
| 23:47.51 | screenw | What is a natural color distribution, s.t. white looks white, red looks red, green looks green. You get the idea. I want to know value from 0-100 for the red, green and blue components of my computer screen. |
| 23:48.20 | mtomczak | abrotman: A bijection, yes ;) |
| 23:48.21 | LinuxHelp | mtomczak, If I were you, keep windows (and mbr) as is one first hd |
| 23:48.32 | LinuxHelp | and then install linux on entire second hd |
| 23:48.38 | LinuxHelp | and then use ntgrub |
| 23:48.41 | abrotman | mtomczak: not a raid setup ? |
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| 23:49.12 | mtomczak | Not a raid. The second harddrive is, in theory, for "backups," but Dell didn't really configure it out-of-the-box for that. |
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| 23:49.19 | mtomczak | Besides, we backup offsite already. |
| 23:49.26 | abrotman | mtomczak: just install debian there .. put grub on the first HDD |
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| 23:49.49 | LinuxHelp | ntgrub is far easier to use than grub |
| 23:49.51 | mtomczak | Cool! That sounds 100% ideal for what we need. And the bonus is that I didn't discover the second HD until today, so nothing's on it :) |
| 23:51.11 | mtomczak | Hrm... looks like it doesn't see the second disk. That's odd. |
| 23:51.16 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: you're out of your mind |
| 23:51.26 | abrotman | mtomczak: you sure it's really a second drive? |
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| 23:51.38 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, no I disagree, ntgrub doesnt even need a config file |
| 23:51.48 | mtomczak | Maybe it is a single disk with two partitions... Which would mean Dell was suggesting you should back up to the same disk... *blargh* |
| 23:51.50 | meppl | gute nacht |
| 23:51.56 | LinuxHelp | "all automatic" |
| 23:52.10 | abrotman | sure |
| 23:52.19 | abrotman | mtomczak: ok .. check the bios .. do you see one or two drives? |
| 23:52.20 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, worked for me |
| 23:52.37 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: that's good for you .. |
| 23:52.53 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, actually I just confused my self there, my bad |
| 23:52.59 | sid | mtomczak: Is it one of those corporate dell cases, where you can just push the button and pop it open without unscrewing anything? |
| 23:53.00 | abrotman | no kidding |
| 23:53.06 | sid | mtomczak: Just pop it open and see if there are one or two drives. |
| 23:53.17 | LinuxHelp | abrotman, what I mean is that grub automatically searches all hd's for config file |
| 23:53.18 | abrotman | sid: laptop ? |
| 23:53.23 | LinuxHelp | ^^ntgrub |
| 23:53.28 | abrotman | LinuxHelp: so does grub on linux .. nice try though |
| 23:53.36 | abrotman | oh .. wait .. no it doesn't do that |
| 23:53.46 | abrotman | that's just silly .. but it's not my machine .. so what do i care |
| 23:53.58 | mtomczak | BIOS shows one drive. Son---of---a---BITCH. |
| 23:54.19 | abrotman | mtomczak: so what size is the "backup" partition .. which probably actually has your reinstall images |
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| 23:54.22 | mtomczak | And the dag-gone second partition is even LABELED "Backup" out of the factory. What the butt. |
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| 23:54.51 | LinuxHelp | mtomczak, I've seen the "backup" partition has been on notebooks for years |
| 23:54.57 | apple-o | chuck norris |
| 23:54.58 | mtomczak | "Second" drive shows as 100% clear... no contents whatsoever. |
| 23:55.04 | LinuxHelp | I suppose it gives users a sense of security |
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| 23:55.08 | abrotman | mtomczak: how big is it? |
| 23:56.10 | abrotman | !moo |
| 23:56.11 | dpkg | mooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I'm a cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass. I'm a cow, you are too; join us all! type apt-get moo. |
| 23:56.29 | becks` | moo |
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| 23:56.40 | LinuxHelp | fakeroot make-jpkg jdk-1_5_0_07-linux-i586.bin |
| 23:56.43 | LinuxHelp | . |
| 23:56.49 | LinuxHelp | ...."Have you mooed today?"... |
| 23:57.45 | mtomczak | Primary is 108GB, secondary is 40GB. That means that according to the physical size report from the Debian installer, there is an additional 40GB unaccounted for. |
| 23:57.46 | Jamster | moo! |
| 23:57.50 | mtomczak | But yes, it's a single disk. |
| 23:58.02 | abrotman | it's a 200GB HDD ? |
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| 23:58.12 | LinuxHelp | http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/cTWJsQ26.html |
| 23:58.19 | mtomczak | 180, sayeth the Linux installer. |
| 23:58.29 | abrotman | what does fdisk say? |
| 23:59.58 | mtomczak | Ah, I just got the data collection from Windows System Information. |
