| 00:00.00 | jbrimble | thanks |
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| 00:00.02 | scenestar | wq is save quit |
| 00:00.04 | scenestar | :w is save |
| 00:00.07 | abrotman | softwork: what a crappy computer |
| 00:00.11 | Azar | abrotman: no yahoo cut my bandwith, I created another mirrored one |
| 00:00.18 | softwork | lolol |
| 00:00.19 | abrotman | Azar: no ... really .. bad page |
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| 00:00.25 | scenestar | softwork your kernel is reallyreally |
| 00:00.26 | scenestar | erhm |
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| 00:00.33 | Azar | abrotman: I use firefox and it goes ok |
| 00:00.34 | Samuli^ | stew, actually now that I think of it, the first time it didn't install gdm, the second time it installed but after login there was nothing. No panels etc. |
| 00:00.38 | softwork | why? |
| 00:00.39 | scenestar | GET A BETTER ONE YOU ARE WASTING CPU CYCLES |
| 00:00.43 | abrotman | Azar: god damn it .. the instructions are broken |
| 00:00.44 | scenestar | sorry |
| 00:00.51 | stew | scenestar: please don't write in caps |
| 00:01.01 | scenestar | sorry stew |
| 00:01.08 | Azar | abrotman: ok I will put up a text file |
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| 00:01.22 | scenestar | but that kid has a proc i dream about, and he uses an 486 kernel |
| 00:01.40 | pipeline | scenestar: Goddamnit. Are you an idiot or a troll? You just go on and on and on and on. |
| 00:01.41 | abrotman | Azar: holy crap .. you're not getting it .. the page is just wrong .. bad information .. broken .. just freaking wrong .. of no use to anyone .. worthless .. |
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| 00:01.43 | stew | Samuli^: what did you do the second time? |
| 00:01.56 | David3 | azar: have you tried pastebin.com ? |
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| 00:01.58 | scenestar | pipeline, a little bit of both |
| 00:02.08 | myren | Azar: might i suggest trying the world wide web, rather than the idiotic web. i hear the world wide one is a bit more robust. |
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| 00:02.27 | pollywog | is it possible that reiserfs is not so great? This is the 4th time I have lost my data: |
| 00:02.31 | pollywog | kernel: ReiserFS: hdc1: warning: sh-2006: read_super_block: bread failed (dev hdc1, block 128, size 512) |
| 00:02.32 | scenestar | whats so hard about cp ~/file.txt /var/www |
| 00:02.37 | Azar | abrotman: http://www.geocities.com/mixonid/debianbase.html < this one? |
| 00:02.39 | abrotman | pollywog: yes .. very possible .. and true |
| 00:02.44 | abrotman | Azar: yes |
| 00:02.45 | pipeline | pollywog: DOn't you dare say that ReiserFS is less than the greatest thing ever, or shadowcat will come out and spank you. |
| 00:02.50 | pollywog | but there appears to be nothering wrong with the disk |
| 00:02.52 | pipeline | pollywog: In reality, of course, ReiserFS is utter shit. |
| 00:02.57 | scenestar | pollywog , you want ext with journaling |
| 00:02.58 | abrotman | pipeline: let's say E17 is crap too! |
| 00:03.05 | Azar | abrotman: as I said, for me works, is just the idiotic online style of publishing |
| 00:03.12 | Azar | I will use the paster from now on |
| 00:03.14 | pollywog | scenestar: so ext3 would be better? |
| 00:03.15 | abrotman | holy crap .. what a tard |
| 00:03.18 | scenestar | well yeah |
| 00:03.21 | myren | pipeline: reiser4 looks much better, but yes, ext3 ftw. |
| 00:03.29 | scenestar | if you keep losing data definately |
| 00:03.40 | kspath | pollywog: Try another FS and see if it blows up. |
| 00:03.43 | myren | pollywog: you cannot go wrong with ext3. its not the greatest speed demon, but its certainly not bad. |
| 00:03.50 | scenestar | its stable |
| 00:03.51 | Azar | abrotman: on my browser the page looks normal. maybe is yahoo blocking me |
| 00:03.52 | myren | and it can be tweaked to be fast |
| 00:04.01 | myren | commit=40 ;) |
| 00:04.03 | pipeline | myren, pollywog : tweaked? ext3 is fine the way it is. No need for tweaking. |
| 00:04.14 | stoned | is it possible to convert ReiserFS to something else? |
| 00:04.16 | abrotman | Azar: your comprehension skills suck |
| 00:04.20 | elliptic | abrotman: why E17 is crap ? |
| 00:04.21 | myren | honestly, commit=3 needs tewaking |
| 00:04.32 | kspath | myren: Write you own FS. |
| 00:04.33 | abrotman | elliptic: i was waiting for gnea to argue :) |
| 00:04.36 | stoned | conversion is possible or not? |
| 00:04.43 | scenestar | offcourse it is |
| 00:04.45 | myren | kspath: i'm doing so |
| 00:04.56 | myren | its a slow process though |
| 00:05.01 | shogunx | abrotman i like E17. its shiny and light, and there is no need for a mouse. |
| 00:05.02 | abrotman | no .. you need to back up your data .. and mkfs .. then put it back |
| 00:05.06 | abrotman | shogunx: i was joking |
| 00:05.06 | stoned | argh |
| 00:05.09 | stoned | its 200gb |
| 00:05.10 | stoned | :/ |
| 00:05.12 | scenestar | but really, reiser fs isnt usefull at all |
| 00:05.14 | kspath | myren: If you are methodical it can take years and years. |
| 00:05.31 | shogunx | abrotman the little kid in me says "nuh-uhh":) |
| 00:05.32 | myren | kspath: i have no qualms with that. |
| 00:05.34 | toucan | i've just installed debian but the screen looks very grainy and white, what could be causing this? |
| 00:05.45 | abrotman | shogunx: hehe |
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| 00:05.53 | abrotman | toucan: in X or console? |
| 00:05.57 | toucan | X |
| 00:06.08 | abrotman | like ... a monitor setting? |
| 00:06.12 | abrotman | or a driver issue? |
| 00:06.23 | toucan | no, it's not a monitor setting |
| 00:06.29 | scenestar | you sure? |
| 00:06.31 | abrotman | what is your vid card? |
| 00:06.35 | toucan | it was ok before debian was reinstalled |
| 00:06.37 | jbrimble | after install, debian wont go above 800x600.. do i need to install the nvidia drivers? |
| 00:06.41 | abrotman | yes |
| 00:06.50 | scenestar | jbrimble and toucan |
| 00:06.51 | toucan | eh.. it's onboard graphics |
| 00:06.54 | Samuli^ | stew, I did the same thing |
| 00:07.00 | abrotman | toucan: lspci | grep -i vga |
| 00:07.01 | scenestar | dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg |
| 00:07.06 | stew | Samuli^: you ran tasksel again? |
| 00:07.37 | Samuli^ | stew, if that's the installer, then yes. |
| 00:08.03 | Samuli^ | stew, if you mean did I choose the same repositories, again yes. |
| 00:08.19 | stew | Samuli^: you did the same thing twice and got two different results? |
| 00:08.25 | toucan | 0000:01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: Silicon Integrated Systems [SiS] 661FX/M661FX/M661MX/741/M741/760/M760 PCI/AGP |
| 00:08.44 | abrotman | toucan: eh .. you might need xorg .. |
| 00:08.49 | Samuli^ | stew, yeah. I thought there was problem with the repositories the first time, but I guess there wasn't. |
| 00:08.57 | cheal | jbrimble: to get a resolution above 800x600? unlikely? |
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| 00:09.23 | stew | Samuli^: and so you don't have the dpkg.log from the time it allegedly failed? |
| 00:09.23 | toucan | uh |
| 00:09.36 | abrotman | toucan: did you try the sis driver ? |
| 00:09.40 | abrotman | !drxx toucan |
| 00:09.40 | dpkg_ | toucan: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 00:09.42 | toucan | i just used the reset option on my monitor and it worked, sorry :> |
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| 00:09.44 | Samuli^ | stew, no, I don't even have debian anymore. |
| 00:09.57 | abrotman | toucan: darn you! |
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| 00:11.17 | Aid` | how do i join avi files so five 5minute clips can become one 25 minute clip? |
| 00:11.23 | David3 | anyone have a recommendation of which channgel to go to discuss irc clients? I'm unhappy with gaim and ksirc. |
| 00:11.43 | toucan | XChat is the best of a bad bunch |
| 00:11.56 | Samuli^ | seconded |
| 00:12.00 | pollywog | Xchat and Konversation are my favorites |
| 00:12.01 | David3 | hmm, i just apt-got that, I guess I better give it a whirl |
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| 00:12.24 | pollywog | I did not know gaim was an IRC client |
| 00:12.26 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: everything working yet on the fb? |
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| 00:12.38 | stew | David3: irssi is the overwelming favorite in here |
| 00:12.40 | Samuli^ | david3, xchat if you're using gnome and konversation in KDE |
| 00:12.42 | raf256` | I once edited some files in etc/init.d like klogd startup script, how to reinstall it? |
| 00:12.47 | Aid` | so no one can help me? |
| 00:13.20 | kspath | David3: apt-cache search irc |
| 00:13.23 | pollywog | raf256`: did you break it? |
| 00:13.28 | pipeline | raf256`: delete the file and reinstall the relevant package. |
| 00:13.36 | Coweater | Aid`: look at avidemux, or possibly kino |
| 00:13.46 | raf256` | pollywog: it works but I like to restore oryginal |
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| 00:13.53 | raf256` | Coweater: I dunno whats the pack it is in |
| 00:14.04 | Coweater | Aid`: one or both of those may be only in marillat |
| 00:14.12 | David3 | thanks Samuli^ stew kspath |
| 00:14.33 | pollywog | raf256`: you can extract the file you need from a deb or else do as pipeline suggested |
| 00:14.38 | kspath | Aid` : apt-cache search avi |
| 00:14.38 | bsims | I am attempting to burn a dual layer disk with k3b and I get this :-( unable to SEND DVD+R DOUBLE LAYER RECORDING INFORMATION: Input/output error... any ideas on debugging? |
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| 00:15.06 | raf256` | yes I just wonder which pack have it.. hmm apt-file search? |
| 00:15.18 | myboxen | Aid`: avifile-utils, avimerge |
| 00:15.20 | dragonfly | how come after i smbumount a share it is still connected? |
| 00:15.21 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: hello! |
| 00:15.23 | pollywog | what is the name of the file? |
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| 00:15.46 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: sorry...i was away in another terminal |
| 00:15.55 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: thats ok |
| 00:16.09 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: i ended up having to reinstall debian! |
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| 00:16.15 | raf256` | pollywog: /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 00:16.17 | myboxen | ontinsoldier: I was wondering if you got your fb to work in console mode. |
| 00:16.21 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: no |
| 00:16.25 | onetinsoldier | yes |
| 00:16.27 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: what did you do? |
| 00:16.40 | pollywog | that is in the sysklogd package |
| 00:17.17 | kspath | pollywog: apt-file search sysklogd ? |
| 00:17.20 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: well, it's like this. it will take a bit maybe to explain... |
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| 00:17.44 | pollywog | kspath: you can do that I used dpkg on my machine |
| 00:17.58 | stew | dlocate is faster :) |
| 00:17.58 | kspath | pollywog: dpkg -l sysklogd |
| 00:18.01 | David3 | dragonfly, did you get any message back from the umount commant? |
| 00:18.06 | kspath | pollywog: ? |
| 00:18.16 | Samuli^ | how do I change charsets in Irssi? /charset doesn't seem to be working. |
| 00:18.24 | pollywog | dpkg -S /etc/init.d/sysklogd |
| 00:18.24 | dpkg_ | Package: /etc/init.d/sysklogd: Status: install ok installed |
| 00:18.34 | cheal | Samuli^: ask #irssi |
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| 00:18.36 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: ok, nm then. |
| 00:18.41 | stew | !forget ubuntu2debian |
| 00:18.43 | Samuli^ | cheal, o-kay. Thanks |
| 00:18.49 | kspath | stew: Thank you |
| 00:18.59 | stew | dpkg_: hi |
| 00:19.21 | stew | dpkg_: are you drunk in .mx? |
| 00:19.35 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: i had a kernel that was good for booting to, a custom compiled one. and then i was making adjustments to kernel and compiling. well, things had been goin so well i thought i'd keep the one is was working on and get rid of the other(the good one). |
| 00:20.12 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: oops |
| 00:20.14 | Olde | installed debian by the new netinstaller and it hangs after i enter my password |
| 00:20.37 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: wouldn't you know it, the instant i got rid of that good booting kernel, new options i compiled on my kernel i was making adjustments too.. hosed me |
| 00:20.55 | pollywog | raf256`: you can download the deb and put in a temp dir then cd there and dpkg-deb -x <packagename> |
| 00:20.57 | pollywog | iirc |
| 00:21.01 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: makes sense, backups are a life saver. |
| 00:21.05 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: and it was compiling in radeonfb that hosed me! |
| 00:21.06 | tonsxchat | ITS BOOTING! [well its doing more than it did before, milo] |
| 00:21.16 | raf256` | pollywog: ok, my system boots up fine |
| 00:21.24 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: it was probably something other than that. |
| 00:21.35 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: no. i don't think so |
| 00:22.05 | myren | is there any way to save a list of currently installed packages?' |
| 00:22.09 | pollywog | raf256`: not having the file won't stop booting it just won't start logging by syslog |
| 00:22.22 | myboxen | onetinsoldier: thats weird, ive never had a problem with that. Other hardware, and stuff, never radeonfb |
| 00:22.24 | reinaldo | myren, /var/cache/dpkg/status |
| 00:22.32 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: when booting it was pretty clear that radeon fb hung... it was hanging on something like trying to read what monitors i had hooked up |
| 00:22.38 | pollywog | myren: dpkg --get-selections > packagelist |
| 00:22.49 | myren | double thanks |
| 00:23.06 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: which is the same damn trouble that i was having with xserver-xorg! |
| 00:23.16 | Azar | dpkg gone? |
| 00:23.48 | Azar | gone |
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| 00:24.11 | kspath | Azar: whois says dpkg is still "in" #debian channel |
| 00:24.12 | onetinsoldier | myboxen: until 'cureless' solved the xserver-xorg problem for me with .... Option "MergedFB" "false" |
| 00:24.26 | Azar | kspath: but it looks quiet |
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| 00:24.56 | tonsxchat | ok, now it's stuck on "Swapping to PALcode at 0x0 ..." |
| 00:25.04 | cureless | onetinsoldier: I'm here |
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| 00:25.14 | onetinsoldier | cureless: howdy man! |
| 00:25.26 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 00:26.03 | cureless | onetinsoldier: hey, still battling with your video card? |
| 00:26.42 | silas | Could someone trigger the bot for a URL to any docs for sarge to etch migrations? I couldn't find a howto on google. |
| 00:27.40 | kspath | silas: You should avoid www.debian.org and wiki.debian.org because there is nothing there about Debian related topics. |
| 00:27.46 | onetinsoldier | cureless: no, not really/exactly. i would like to get console framebuffer working for it though. but when i was compiling my own custom kernel and compiled radeonfb into the kernel.... it choked on bootup. similar to the problem you solved for me with xorg trying to read what monitors were hooked up |
| 00:27.56 | Azar | silas: you mean you want to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 00:28.02 | stew | kspath: do you have to be a smartass? |
| 00:28.09 | silas | Azar: Yeah |
| 00:28.17 | cheal | silas: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php?q=sarge-%3Eetch&term=key |
| 00:28.19 | silas | Didn't want to call it an upgrade, but that's what I'd like to do. |
| 00:28.23 | Azar | silas: ok what kernel are you currently using with Sarge? |
| 00:28.24 | scenestar | uhuh |
| 00:28.29 | silas | My end goal is a xen user domain for asterisk |
| 00:28.39 | silas | So if you have any suggestions on a nice way to do that... |
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| 00:28.58 | abrotman | !tell silas about sarge->etch |
| 00:29.01 | silas | cheal: Cool, thanks |
| 00:29.12 | cheal | abrotman: dpkg is sick |
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| 00:29.36 | Azar | silas ok change your /etc/apt/sources.list sources line by replacing "stable" stanza with "testing" . Save the file. Then type aptitude update then aptitude dist-upgrade |
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| 00:30.00 | silas | Azar: Cool, going for it now. |
| 00:30.10 | abrotman | cheal: i know .. but he was answering before |
| 00:30.14 | abrotman | Azar: NO |
| 00:30.14 | _Sam-- | hey i have an SMP machine with plenty of power/ram, and have been a debian user for years...but on this new install when i use apt-get, it runs the load up, and my machine hangs around this point: Reading Package Lists... 31% |
| 00:30.15 | abrotman | god |
| 00:30.18 | _Sam-- | any ideas? |
| 00:30.20 | abrotman | i'm going to kill him |
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| 00:30.26 | Azar | abrotman, is that wrong? |
| 00:30.27 | silas | Oh, also I'm trying to do a debootstrap with etch |
| 00:30.30 | abrotman | Azar: where does his question ask about testing? |
| 00:30.37 | silas | And most docs say to do apt-setup |
| 00:30.39 | silas | Which isn't in etch |
| 00:30.44 | thomasb | hi, I installed fglrx (ATI) drivers on Sarge and have Load "ati_xv" in my XF86Config-4 but xine-check says my xserver does not support "yv12 overlays" ? How can I find a list of X11 extensions supported by the ATI fglrx dirver ? |
| 00:31.02 | abrotman | silas: for every occurance of stable or sarge in your /etc/apt/sources.list .. put the word etch there instead |
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| 00:31.15 | silas | abrotman: Got it |
| 00:31.18 | abrotman | silas: you'll also have to get the key working |
| 00:31.23 | abrotman | !apt-key |
| 00:31.30 | abrotman | !2006 key |
| 00:31.30 | dpkg_ | it has been said that 2006 key is apt 0.6.43.1 ( now in unstable and testing) includes the 2006 package key. You can also install the key as follow, explicitly trusting this message with no verification: gpg --keyserver subkeys.pgp.net --recv-keys 2D230C5F ; gpg --export 084750FC01A6D388A643D869010908312D230C5F | sudo apt-key add - |
| 00:31.53 | silas | abrotman: ah, sweet. It's been about 18 months since I've messed with debian. Good to see a PKI in place. |
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| 00:31.58 | cheal | abrotman: BTW, I pointed silas to the factoid on stew's site |
| 00:32.01 | dan2 | shogunx, ding ding ding |
| 00:32.04 | dan2 | abrotman, ding ding ding |
| 00:32.11 | abrotman | cheal: okeedokee .. missed that .. |
| 00:32.14 | abrotman | dan2: hey |
| 00:32.21 | dan2 | abrotman, how are ya |
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| 00:33.27 | cheal | do we have a bot to point people to stew's site for a specific factoid? :) |
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| 00:33.43 | stew | heh |
| 00:33.45 | dragonfly | how come when i reboot all my volume levels change |
| 00:34.02 | Kyral | because you didn't save them |
| 00:34.04 | bsims | I get this message when I attempt to burn a dual layer disk unable to SEND DVD+R DOUBLE LAYER RECORDING INFORMATION: Input/output error... any ideas? |
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| 00:34.27 | Azar | dragonfly: if you adjust volumes with alsamixer, when you done save: alsactl store |
| 00:34.53 | cheal | better yet...don't we have a clone of dpkg? |
| 00:35.19 | Azar | abrotman, what did I do wrong? I asked silas if he wants to upgrade to etch and he said yes. |
| 00:35.48 | abrotman | Azar: NO SHIT .. you said TESTING .. |
| 00:36.15 | Azar | is anything wrong with testing? etch / testing same thing |
| 00:36.28 | silas | Not when etch becomes stable |
| 00:36.28 | abrotman | Azar: they are right now .. but he didn't ask to go to testing ... he asked to go to etch |
| 00:36.39 | Azar | < Azar> silas: you mean you want to upgrade from sarge to etch? |
| 00:36.41 | dragonfly | i'm changing them from within gnome |
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| 00:37.10 | Azar | abrotman: so is different if you use etch or testing on your sources? |
| 00:37.16 | silas | Hrm, that was the first thing anyone said |
| 00:37.32 | kspath | Azar: Etch will become stable but testing is testing. |
| 00:37.39 | abrotman | Azar: right now .. no .. but in 8 months .. probably .. i'd rather point someone at etch .. and let them roll to stable .. if they want to track testing .. they'll know how |
| 00:37.55 | abrotman | Azar: and silas didn't ask for testing .. he asked for etch |
| 00:37.56 | Azar | kspath: I see, I thought silas wants to do it right now |
| 00:38.15 | kspath | Azar: It can be confusing. |
| 00:38.15 | Erudified | colbert is great |
| 00:38.18 | Azar | abrotman: point taken next time I will recommend etch in sources |
| 00:38.29 | kspath | Erudified: greatest |
| 00:38.43 | silas | Etch is the way to go for people like me, since it naturally flows to stable. |
| 00:38.51 | abrotman | Azar: ^^ |
| 00:38.58 | silas | People like me being the ones that do major updates every 6 months or so. |
| 00:39.09 | kspath | Azar: base in on their question if you can. |
| 00:39.12 | onetinsoldier | anyone want to tell me how to get apt to install xorg 7.0 in etch? |
| 00:39.26 | abrotman | onetinsoldier: you don't want to ... |
| 00:39.30 | Azar | silas: sorry I mis-worded and anyways one of my sources did not worked with "etch" stanza so I had to use testing |
| 00:39.48 | stew | onetinsoldier: you wait a few weeks, then you apt-get install xorg (in that order) |
| 00:39.57 | Azar | silas: yes Debian will do 6 months as well soon |
| 00:39.59 | bsims | any one else have any problems burning dual layer +r? |
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| 00:40.07 | dragonfly | azar i'm changing them from within gnome |
| 00:40.14 | silas | Azar: No worries, I've used debian for years and didn't realize the importance of keeping the name but rotating to stable until recently. |
| 00:40.16 | abrotman | i hope debian NEVER has a 6 month release cycle |
| 00:40.18 | Azar | dragonfly: nice |
| 00:40.38 | duddits_dbn | hello from franch |
| 00:40.42 | silas | Azar: that is, more enterprise type computing where change control is important |
| 00:40.43 | phogg | can't get any work done in 6 months. |
| 00:41.04 | kspath | abrotman: NEVER is a long time. Perhaps development will be different someday. |
| 00:41.14 | abrotman | kspath: no .. really .. i mean never :) |
| 00:41.20 | abrotman | duddits_dbn: france? |
| 00:41.21 | Azar | silas: where I work we hate upgrades: they do not ease our work, instead new upgrades add more burden on end user |
| 00:41.26 | duddits_dbn | v |
| 00:41.41 | silas | Azar: Agreed, when stuff just works, upgrades don't offer much. |
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| 00:42.38 | CAiRO | what can be the cause if wake on lan doesn't work? i'm trying to wake a win2k box from my debian/linux.. wol cable is installed, everything turned on in the bios, newest drivers, card is a 3com 905b-tx, i've tried etherwake and wakeonlan but nothing happens when i send the magic packets, the led on the nic and the switch are on after the computer is powered down |
| 00:42.39 | kspath | "upgrades" can add more bugs that are mostly unknown unless same/similar to "bugs" in older version(s). |
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| 00:43.08 | Azar | abrotman: silas is expecting 6 months terms |
| 00:43.08 | Azar | welcome to Debian, silas |
| 00:43.08 | Azar | ok it seems servers are slowing down here |
| 00:43.08 | Azar | expect a split |
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| 00:43.17 | abrotman | yay! |
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| 00:43.28 | silas | I'm not expecting anything |
| 00:43.28 | abrotman | Azar: that's not what he said |
| 00:43.44 | silas | I just said I log into my boxes every 6 months ago and update them |
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| 00:43.51 | silas | I may have said upgrade, but I didn't mean it |
| 00:43.53 | Azar | silas: where from you came with 6 months release idea? |
| 00:44.02 | Azar | ah |
| 00:44.07 | rredd4 | what do I need to look at (logs, etc.) to find out why my computer locks while in sarge? |
| 00:44.12 | silas | Azar: Argh, nowhere. It's just how often I ssh to boxes that never have problems. |
| 00:44.18 | k-god | Anyone got a good way to sort multiple logfile output (grepping several files) with leading 'YYYY/mm/dd HH:MM:SS' format? It's the two delimiters (/:) which are stumping me. |
| 00:44.19 | abrotman | Azar: that's not what he said |
| 00:44.21 | lastnode | is there a howto on configuring X? |
| 00:44.28 | k-god | !setup x |
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| 00:44.29 | dpkg_ | set up x is probably First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 00:44.40 | David3 | k-god: use sed? |
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| 00:44.46 | dragonfly | azar: what u mean nice? |
| 00:44.47 | dragonfly | !ping |
| 00:44.47 | dpkg_ | pong |
| 00:44.48 | Azar | abrotman: unfortunately I don't have his exact wordings since I got ousted |
| 00:44.50 | onetinsoldier | rredd4: you might try having a look at /var/log ...namely kernel.og in there |
| 00:45.00 | k-god | David3: Was hoping to do it in sort. Yeah, I could munge. |
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| 00:45.03 | abrotman | Azar: he said he does a major update every six months .. or something like that |
| 00:45.07 | CAN_ | anyone knows if linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7 debian package is preemptible at 100 % |
| 00:45.11 | abrotman | <silas> People like me being the ones that do major updates every 6 months or so. |
| 00:45.15 | ks1 | the netinst for the betas/testing. If I was to download the latest one would it install the unstable packages or testing? |
| 00:45.18 | rredd4 | onetinsoldier: ok, what do I look for? |
| 00:45.25 | onetinsoldier | *kern.log |
| 00:45.31 | silas | It's all good, let's not spend more bandwidth being picky than whatever we're being picky about consumed |
| 00:45.34 | Azar | my bad I mis interpreted his thoughts |
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| 00:45.41 | abrotman | twice |
| 00:45.50 | stew | hmm i probably don't have the .16 kconfigs up |
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| 00:46.00 | abrotman | slacker! |
| 00:46.05 | lastnode | thanks k-god |
| 00:46.13 | David3 | k-god: I don't know if sort can deal with regexes |
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| 00:46.16 | silas | greycat ever around here anymore? |
| 00:46.23 | CAN_ | my i ask? |
| 00:46.26 | CAN_ | a thing? |
| 00:46.31 | abrotman | silas: nope |
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| 00:46.36 | silas | !tell CAN_ about ask |
| 00:46.36 | onetinsoldier | rredd4: well, i don't know what to tell you to look for exactly. just examine the logs in there and you 'might' get a clue as to what's worng. no guarantee though |
| 00:46.45 | CAN_ | Is linux-image-2.6.16-1-k7 debian package preemptible at 100 % |
| 00:46.47 | CAN_ | ? |
| 00:46.50 | CAN_ | i did it |
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| 00:46.59 | rredd4 | onetinsoldier: ok, ty |
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| 00:47.10 | silas | abrotman: bummer. he was always great |
| 00:47.11 | Azar | preemptible.. |
| 00:47.15 | Erudified | Why does vim take so long to start? I'm running testing, and executing vim inside of screen takes like 4 seconds |
| 00:47.28 | onetinsoldier | rredd4: yw. i hope you can figure it out or at least get a clue from you logs |
| 00:47.29 | CAN_ | preempt enabled i meant |
| 00:47.35 | silas | Erudified: strace it |
| 00:47.39 | abrotman | silas: i miss him too :) |
| 00:47.42 | toucan | is it possible to have an encrypted filesystem in sarge? |
| 00:47.49 | k-god | David3: Nope. |
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| 00:47.58 | David3 | toucan: sure. it's much easier with a 2.6 kernel, though. |
| 00:48.12 | Azar | CAN_: depends for what Debian version you want it |
| 00:48.16 | cheal | ks1: the latest one what? |
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| 00:48.17 | kspath | silas: I am not great but I might be gone as well. In my case I might get kicked at some point for "sarcasm". |
| 00:48.20 | David3 | k-god yeah, it looks like sed is the way to go :p |
| 00:48.40 | CAN_ | Azar: unstable |
| 00:48.47 | charzero | If I have a printer on parallel port, should /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0/autoprobe* have something in them? |
| 00:48.52 | Ugly_Duck | is mkfs.vfat to initalize a fat32 partition correct? |
| 00:48.53 | David3 | k-god although that certainly carries the unfortunate side effect of making the log entries unlike their original appearance |
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| 00:48.59 | Azar | CAN_: I see many people using unstable running it |
| 00:49.01 | abrotman | Ugly_Duck: yes |
| 00:49.08 | Erudified | It's trying to open a socket to /tmp/.X11-unix/X0; how do I disable that? |
| 00:49.08 | k-god | David3: I've seen worse. |
| 00:49.08 | David3 | Ugly_Duck: yeah |
| 00:49.12 | CAN_ | okz. tnx |
| 00:49.12 | Ugly_Duck | thanks |
| 00:49.28 | David3 | k-god yeah, like some peoples' source code indentation :) |
| 00:49.28 | CAN_ | i meant debian kernel. not compiled one |
| 00:49.54 | quitte | !karma greycat |
| 00:49.54 | dpkg_ | greycat has karma of 48 |
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| 00:50.05 | Azar | CAN_: I do not know about the other 2.6.16, I just refered to the precompiled ones |
| 00:50.08 | Erudified | I guess it's trying to open the socket because screen changed the TERM variable? |
| 00:50.24 | kspath | Does anyone use "karma" anymore? |
| 00:50.29 | CAN_ | is prok Azar |
| 00:50.31 | CAN_ | tnx |
| 00:50.36 | k-god | David3: Heh. |
| 00:50.40 | CAN_ | bye |
| 00:50.44 | k-god | David3: You have source code indentation? |
| 00:50.50 | k-god | David3: You were _lucky_ ... |
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| 00:51.21 | quitte | !karma abrotman |
| 00:51.22 | dpkg_ | abrotman has karma of 13 |
| 00:51.38 | David3 | k-god I dunno, man, SOME indentations can be WORSE than NO indentatios |
| 00:51.45 | rockstar_ | Hey, is there a command so I can find out what resolution I'm using? |
| 00:51.47 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: hello there |
| 00:51.49 | abrotman | quitte: noone gives me karma |
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| 00:51.55 | signature16 | can somebody help me with this MySQL problem: http://forums.mysql.com/read.php?10,90574,90574#msg-90574 |
| 00:51.58 | David3 | rockstar_: kruler :-) |
| 00:51.58 | k-god | David3: strewth. |
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| 00:52.03 | quitte | !abrotman++ |
| 00:52.04 | abrotman | Rockj: xdpyinfo |
| 00:52.11 | k-god | rockstar_: what abrotman said. |
| 00:52.15 | David3 | yeah |
| 00:52.16 | abrotman | signature16: just ask .. don't forget #mysql also |
| 00:52.18 | kspath | abrotman: Do not wait for karma to be given. Seize it! |
| 00:52.24 | abrotman | kspath: can't give it to yourself |
| 00:52.27 | quitte | abrotman: was supposed to go to msg. i was looking if someone has more than greycat |
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| 00:53.06 | abrotman | quitte: doubtful |
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| 00:53.25 | rockstar_ | abrotman : Obliged. I've been in and out today, trying to get my X server tweaked so I can watch movies on my TV, with SVGA out. |
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| 00:53.34 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier : Hi right back atcha. |
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| 00:53.40 | onetinsoldier | :-) |
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| 00:53.59 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: what version of xorg are you using? |
| 00:54.08 | toucan | David3, can I use kernel 2.6 on Sarge or do I need Etch |
| 00:54.22 | David3 | toucan: you can use 2.6 with sarge |
| 00:54.23 | rockstar_ | xorg 6.9, but I'm doing dual monitor with a radeo 9550. |
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| 00:54.29 | abrotman | toucan: you can .. apt-cache search kernel-image-2.6 |
| 00:54.32 | rockstar_ | *radeon |
| 00:55.01 | rockstar_ | All I need to do now is get the clone to display at a different resolution, same 16:9 ratio |
| 00:55.04 | toucan | then i can use filesystem encryption? :) |
| 00:55.16 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: cool. thx. i was just curious since i know you have fglrx working, which i might try to get working at some point in the near future. ;) |
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| 00:56.17 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier: I'm a freakin' pro now. Don't bother with the fireglcontrolpanel... It doesn't seem to work. |
| 00:56.38 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: hehe.. cool. thx for the info. |
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| 00:57.34 | David3 | toucan: you should check out dm-crypt |
| 00:57.45 | toucan | ok |
| 00:58.03 | David3 | you'll need to apt-get hashalot |
| 00:58.07 | David3 | and... what else... |
| 00:58.16 | rockstar_ | toucan: Maybe you can answer this. Why would you want filesystem encryption? |
| 00:58.40 | toucan | incase i have my PC stolen |
| 00:58.40 | rockstar_ | David3: I LOVE Sir Hash-A-Lot |
| 00:58.47 | David3 | that was my reason.. |
| 00:58.57 | mccune | Anyone know if there's a 2.6 kernel in etch that's got xen, lvm and md (raid) |
| 00:59.06 | David3 | rockstar_: me too, he's pretty awesome. sooo much fun! |
| 00:59.45 | David3 | mccune: I don't know, but have you considered compiling yourself? |
| 00:59.50 | rockstar_ | "I like big cryptcodes and I cannot lie, no other brother's can deny, when system boots with a itty, bitty time it's safer than the NSA I get sprung..." |
| 01:00.04 | David3 | lol |
| 01:00.05 | mccune | rockstar_: If someone steals my notebook, it'd be nice if I could tell investors the hard drive was encrypted |
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| 01:00.25 | mccune | rockstar_: Otherwise, by federal law I'd have to send letters to thousands of people. |
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| 01:00.43 | rockstar_ | mccune : Yea, I could see it for laptops, large servers, but I've never really needed it for a home system. |
| 01:01.15 | mccune | rockstar_: unless you wanted to learn about it at home so you could be marketable to the people who need it on the big servers and the portable notebooks. |
| 01:01.23 | David3 | rockstar_: well, if you're concerned about your home system being stolen, and it has some kind of data on it that you have some motivation to keep confidential |
| 01:01.54 | mccune | rockstar_: "because I can" is perfectly adequate, so why bother asking why? |
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| 01:02.38 | mccune | Damn, lost is on. |
| 01:02.41 | mccune | How distracting |
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| 01:02.46 | intx | what's a fairly secure pop3 server? |
| 01:02.55 | thingfish | screw lost - american idol! |
| 01:03.01 | mccune | Ick |
| 01:03.01 | abrotman | bones was good |
| 01:03.06 | kspath | intx: one that is turned off? |
| 01:03.10 | Samuli^ | mccune, ahh. That means it's on the torrent-sites soon :) |
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| 01:03.16 | hazard_ | My cousin was on american idol. |
| 01:03.16 | intx | kspath: I didn't say absolutely secure :) |
| 01:03.24 | rockstar_ | mccune : Just never really saw a reason, not trying to be pushy or anything. If you had a super good reason, I'd go out and do it. |
| 01:03.26 | mccune | intx: anything so long as you wrap it around SSL |
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| 01:03.35 | hazard_ | (not that I idolize any of those weirdos) |
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| 01:03.39 | intx | well, I plan on using it on a lan, but better safe than sorry any how |
| 01:03.50 | David3 | btw, thanks all for the recommendations -- I'm settling into konversation |
| 01:03.54 | intx | just looking for one that isn't known for it's security holes |
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| 01:04.14 | intx | I never connect to pop3 without ssl or ssh tunnels |
| 01:04.20 | veamos | how can I see a webpage's dns by terminal? |
| 01:04.21 | mccune | rockstar_: Cool, didn't mean to criticize |
| 01:04.27 | kspath | intx: Searching security sites will help you . securityfocus and secunia and ... |
| 01:04.29 | rockstar_ | mccune : I've got webcams all over the house, and two on a webcam motion activated capture system. I want my freakin' system back, not write it off. I'm gonna beat the crap out of someone... --:o) |
| 01:04.31 | abrotman | veamos: dig or nslookup or host |
| 01:04.43 | mccune | dig is my fav |
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| 01:05.40 | veamos | how do I see my ip? |
| 01:05.54 | kspath | intx: apt-cache search pop3 will give you a sampling of daemons and clients and monitoring |
| 01:06.00 | abrotman | /sbin/ipconfig -a |
| 01:06.26 | kingsley | veamos: http://www.junkbusters.com/cgi-bin/privacy |
| 01:06.27 | abrotman | or apt-cache search pop3 server |
| 01:06.29 | David3 | isn't that ifconfig ? |
| 01:06.29 | elliptic | abrotman ipconfig ? |
| 01:06.35 | abrotman | ifconfig |
| 01:06.45 | abrotman | i've been setting up win32 workstations all week :) |
| 01:06.47 | kspath | intx: Using the daemon/server names you can search security sites |
| 01:06.51 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: you were looking for a command to show you res. coorect? did you find what you were looking for? |
| 01:06.55 | David3 | abrotman: I'm sorry |
| 01:06.58 | mccune | abrotman: I'm sorry |
| 01:07.10 | mccune | huh. |
| 01:07.15 | abrotman | it's not that bad .. it's just we had a bunch of people starting this month .. so i had to setup a bunch |
| 01:07.20 | David3 | mccune: the fact that our nicks are exactly the same length really made that look nice |
| 01:07.23 | abrotman | it's better than replang |
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| 01:07.31 | toucan | rockstar_, my hard drive has emails, private letters, etc. on. wouldn't you like to think that those kind of things were still private if your pc was stolen |
| 01:07.36 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier : Yea, xdpyinfo |
| 01:07.39 | veamos | thanks |
| 01:07.41 | mccune | Heh, I don't have a fixed width display, unfortunately. |
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| 01:07.51 | rockstar_ | toucan : Point taken. |
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| 01:08.03 | MagicStuff5 | To ask a noob question: how cab I log in via ssh, do something, then logout without the process(like a download) ending? |
| 01:08.09 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: ok.. cool. because I just saw this in apt... xresprobe |
| 01:08.16 | abrotman | MagicStuff5: man nohup |
| 01:08.19 | rockstar_ | MagicStuff5 : Pipe the output to a file... |
| 01:08.29 | CAiRO | what can be the cause if wake on lan doesn't work? i'm trying to wake a win2k box from my debian/linux.. wol cable is installed, everything turned on in the bios, newest drivers, card is a 3com 905b-tx, i've tried etherwake and wakeonlan but nothing happens when i send the magic packets, the led on the nic and the switch are on after the computer is powered down |
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| 01:08.32 | scenestar | use su |
| 01:08.51 | scenestar | oh wait |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | for what? |
| 01:08.51 | rockstar_ | onetinsoldier : Yea, I looked at that, but it doesn't seem to like my fglrx driver... |
| 01:08.51 | scenestar | nvm my command |
| 01:08.51 | abrotman | man nohup .. i win! |
| 01:08.51 | scenestar | wrong screen |
| 01:09.00 | onetinsoldier | rockstar_: ok.. roger that |
| 01:09.03 | abrotman | GAH .. the sox are going to lose ... |
| 01:09.03 | lastnode | is everything i need for alsa in the alsa-base package? |
| 01:09.07 | mccune | MagicStuff5: You want to use GNU screen |
| 01:09.19 | Ryushin | Are there any other ways to "tail -f" a file. It seems that there is a 1 second delay in reading the file. And if there are more events than what tail -f pulls up by default, then some will be skipped. |
| 01:09.20 | abrotman | !blame abrotman |
| 01:09.20 | scenestar | lastnode should be |
| 01:09.21 | mccune | MagicStuff5: It's a terminal multiplexer, and you can detatch and reattach to it. |
| 01:09.33 | scenestar | this is something i wanna know |
| 01:09.35 | lastnode | scenestar, i can just emerge alsa-base, xmms and play mp3s? |
| 01:09.37 | MagicStuff5 | mccune: I'll look into it. Thanks. |
| 01:09.40 | kspath | abrotman: sox - A universal sound sample translator |
| 01:09.42 | scenestar | lastnode emerge? |
| 01:09.47 | scenestar | what are you a ricer? |
| 01:09.49 | abrotman | Ryushin: man tail .. no way to change the time ? |
| 01:09.56 | tune2fs | hi i need to make more space on a data drive, using ext3fs and plan to unmount it, and run tune2fs -m 1 to change it to 1% from 5%. Is that dangerous? has anyone had trouble doing that? the drive is pretty full... |
| 01:10.00 | scenestar | apt-get linuxsound base |
| 01:10.05 | abrotman | Ryushin: or maybe your daemon only writes once a second ? |
| 01:10.14 | mccune | I suspect tail -f is at the mercy of the IO buffers. |
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| 01:10.33 | rockstar_ | lastnode : Ew, emerge is a bad word on this channel... |
| 01:10.35 | sussudio_ | !karma whore |
| 01:10.36 | lastnode | scenestar, sorry, er, apt-get |
| 01:10.41 | scenestar | does anyone know about that annoing /dev/dsp thing |
| 01:10.41 | lastnode | rockstar_, my bad, my bad :) |
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| 01:10.50 | sussudio_ | hm. |
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| 01:10.52 | scenestar | without having to resort to allowing direct access |
| 01:10.56 | abrotman | tune2fs: i think you have to do that when you mkfs the partition .. i don't htink you can tune aftewards |
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| 01:11.00 | kingsley | tune2fs: I'd search google's usenet and web archives for insight. |
| 01:11.02 | abrotman | sussudio_: make piggy squeal! |
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| 01:11.09 | dpkg | Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of sussudio_) |
| 01:11.13 | abrotman | dpkg: yay! |
| 01:11.16 | Ryushin | actually, there are a lot of programs that drop data to this file. I wrote a bash script to always tail -f the file, and if a line shows up, then e-mail me the alert. However, tail -f isn't always catching the alerts. |
| 01:11.18 | dpkg | yay! |
| 01:11.22 | abrotman | sussudio_: wait .. how'd you do that ? |
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| 01:11.29 | sussudio_ | abrotman: i msg'ed it. |
| 01:11.44 | abrotman | sussudio_: oh .. i didn't know we could |
| 01:11.49 | rockstar_ | lastnode : We ask you Gentoo people to use separate bathrooms, drinking fountains, and send your kids to public school. Next thing I know, we'll have Gentoos staging marches, and we'll have to hose you down with firehoses in the streets. |
| 01:11.53 | kspath | Ryushin: Are you sure you know what it is/is not? |
| 01:11.57 | abrotman | sussudio_: guess i don't know the magic |
| 01:11.58 | tune2fs | i just tried it on a local partition and it worked, i am just a little chicke to do it on a running server without chatting with the gurus.. |
| 01:12.07 | kspath | Ryushin: log rotation? syslogd? |
| 01:12.11 | sussudio_ | maybe he got dumped in debian-overflow or something |
| 01:12.27 | Ryushin | Well, I've ben injecting errors with echo into the log file. And sometimes they show up, and sometimes they don't. |
| 01:12.34 | kspath | Ryushin: are the alerts in the logs but tail is not showing them? regex is not catching them? |
| 01:12.55 | Ryushin | kspath: Good point. I'll need to check that out |
| 01:13.07 | lastnode | rockstar_, heh :) actually i have a question. do you think it'll be easy to write a shell script that'll keep my two /home/ dirs in sync |
| 01:13.10 | kspath | Ryushin: You are supposed to have syslog log it not with echo |
| 01:13.11 | charzero | I'm having printing problems. How can I tell if my printer got picked up? something in /proc/sys/dev/parport/parport0 ? |
| 01:13.30 | lastnode | brb |
| 01:13.58 | kspath | Ryushin: You can have syslog log it and it will have the time stamp and other things if you want it to and your follow the syntax |
| 01:13.59 | rockstar_ | lastnode: Shell script? Hm, I'm pretty sure there's a cp command that copies it the file is older in the destination than the source. |
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| 01:14.26 | lastnode | rockstar_, there is a flag to check for dates? /me goes to check the man page |
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| 01:14.58 | petemc | or use rsync |
| 01:15.32 | scenestar | isnt that for downloads? |
| 01:15.47 | lastnode | petemc, is that for me? |
| 01:15.51 | lastnode | oh wait nvm :) |
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| 01:15.55 | scenestar | ugh |
| 01:15.55 | David3 | lastnode: yeah, there's --backup and --update |
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| 01:16.05 | rockstar_ | I currently have two monitors showing the same thing, except one is capable of only a smaller resolution, and so it slides. It's kinda distracting. |
| 01:16.31 | charzero | lsusb |
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| 01:17.04 | scenestar | this is totally unrelated, but every time i do an install of kde i feel this huge jealousie because this one dude I know doesnt only have his app installed on every kde desktop out there, but also fucks this one hot chick i hang out with all the time |
| 01:17.05 | lastnode | David3, yeah, found it, thanks :) |
| 01:17.08 | scenestar | life is not fair |
| 01:17.09 | scenestar | :( |
| 01:17.13 | Ryushin | It's a cgi script that dumps information to a log script. There are probably about 500 of these scripts running, that dump stuff to the log file. Hince, I'm using tail -f to get my information. |
| 01:17.34 | abrotman | scenestar: we don't care ... :) |
| 01:17.46 | litage | hey guys, how do i determine if my onboard NIC is eth0 or eth1? |
| 01:17.55 | David3 | scenestar: yeah, life's not fair. there it is. here we are. so hum, so what |
| 01:17.56 | abrotman | ethtool might help |
| 01:18.08 | rockstar_ | scenestar : Hm, what kde app? |
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| 01:18.43 | Azar | scenestar: how is kde running on Debian? no problems? |
| 01:19.07 | thingfish | hehe kde runs like shit no matter which distro. |
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| 01:19.16 | thingfish | sorry, couldn't resist. |
| 01:19.31 | David3 | thingfish: heh, well I guess it depends what you want from your computer. |
| 01:19.36 | scenestar | azar, i just use kwin for the compositor |
| 01:19.39 | Azar | thingfish: I asked because I never tried it and thought is tough on Debian |
| 01:19.40 | thingfish | oh I know, David3. |
| 01:19.52 | David3 | thingfish: what do you run, man? |
| 01:19.52 | scenestar | well when you run kde |
| 01:19.53 | gehrman | anyone here running sarge/testing and can't install webmin? |
| 01:19.55 | scenestar | you run kde |
| 01:19.57 | scenestar | not a distro |
| 01:19.58 | thingfish | Azar: tough? oh no - super easy to install. |
| 01:20.01 | abrotman | !webmin |
| 01:20.02 | dpkg | well, webmin is a lame web-based interface for unsafe system administration for Unix. Check it out at http://webmin.com/security.html but, remember, dondelelcaro *hates* webmin. "i'd rather sit on the floor shoving table knives into live electrical outlets than run webmin on an exposed server." Obsoleted in debian: http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2005/12/msg00790.html |
| 01:20.02 | scenestar | kde is like windows |
| 01:20.13 | stew | gehrman: webmin was removed from testing |
| 01:20.18 | Azar | scenestar: I see... |
| 01:20.21 | David3 | gehrman: I'd say that if someone here can't install webmin, they're probably not the person you're looking for :-) |
| 01:20.25 | thingfish | David3: gnome. |
| 01:20.34 | scenestar | i find kde to be incredibly confusing |
| 01:20.41 | scenestar | it has gui apps for everything |
| 01:20.51 | abrotman | gehrman: use vi ? :) |
| 01:21.18 | scenestar | kget = frontend to wget |
| 01:21.22 | kspath | scenestar: Some things need/want GUI like gimp and gnucash and others |
| 01:21.28 | David3 | scenestar: well, you don't -have- to use them. But it's nice for a noob, and then it can just become a comfortable system. The learning curve for kuser is soo much easier than adduser, etc |
| 01:21.32 | abrotman | scenestar: to be fair .. there is gwget for gnome :) |
| 01:21.34 | scenestar | yeah, but a diff program doesnt |
| 01:21.42 | lastnode | David3, if i just set cp -Ru for both directories at startup, that should keep them in sync, right? |
| 01:21.53 | lastnode | David3, i mean, if i run that command on both dirs |
| 01:22.02 | iter | lastnode: use unison |
| 01:22.03 | David3 | lastnode: I have no idea, I've never used it :-) I just looked up in the man |
| 01:22.05 | scenestar | and i dont need a gui app to manage my email sigs |
| 01:22.06 | rockstar_ | I had kde on my Suse system at work (my company has a contract with Novell), and I took it off and put enlightenment on. I've never seen so many fellow developers so jealous... |
| 01:22.10 | lastnode | iter, package? |
| 01:22.15 | iter | apt-get install unison |
| 01:22.24 | lastnode | iter, cool, getting |
| 01:22.29 | scenestar | kde is just too big |
| 01:22.36 | shogunx | scenestarthen don't install one, or remove it if you have. |
| 01:22.42 | hazard_ | KDE is pretty. |
| 01:22.43 | Samuli^ | rockstar_, what enlightenment |
| 01:22.49 | hazard_ | But takes up too much stuff to be useful. |
| 01:22.56 | scenestar | hazard_ agreed |
| 01:23.03 | hazard_ | (not to mention that some settings menus are so buggy, i can't do anything) |
| 01:23.03 | scenestar | especially since im a terminal junkie |
| 01:23.08 | hazard_ | Me too. |
| 01:23.09 | rockstar_ | Samuli e16 right now, prepping for the move to e17 |
| 01:23.10 | hazard_ | I like Terminal. |
| 01:23.11 | hazard_ | Its fast. |
| 01:23.13 | David3 | I use KDE on a 300 mhz machine with 192 ram |
| 01:23.21 | iter | kde is not ready for prime time :\ |
| 01:23.26 | Samuli^ | KDE is lighter than gnome. Really. |
| 01:23.26 | scenestar | well it is |
| 01:23.30 | scenestar | its just confusing |
| 01:23.35 | rockstar_ | Well, KDE runs 571,936,759,292,740,247,289,745 processes on your system. |
| 01:23.36 | iter | neither is gnome :\ :| |
| 01:23.37 | thingfish | no terminal! only mousey! |
| 01:23.39 | stew | stop, this is not going to go anywhere |
| 01:23.41 | hazard_ | I had KDE running on a P150 once (non MMx, not to mention that it was a 100mhz chip overclocked) |
| 01:23.46 | scenestar | thingfish thats a bad thing |
| 01:23.49 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:23.49 | scenestar | i like terminals |
| 01:23.57 | shogunx | !start a wm war |
| 01:23.57 | dpkg | blackbox blows! |
| 01:24.02 | iter | haha |
| 01:24.08 | scenestar | i prefer a mix between terminal and gui |
| 01:24.15 | David3 | it takes forever to start, but I mean... I'm sitting here on this oooold machine, streaming a radio station, all my apps open... and it's fine |
| 01:24.16 | scenestar | torrents need a gui, IM clients too |
| 01:24.19 | Azar | scenestar: I have/run gimp with no xdm |
| 01:24.28 | scenestar | :) |
| 01:24.29 | Samuli^ | shogunx, talking about the differences between two isn't the same as war :) |
| 01:24.31 | hazard_ | My Pcs tend to boot to CLI, but then I just use OSX for GUI stuff |
| 01:24.31 | iter | scenestar: nah |
| 01:24.41 | hazard_ | (and when I don't feel like fighting with my computer to get anything done) |
| 01:24.46 | iter | plenty of torrents from shell |
| 01:24.48 | shogunx | scenestar just hook yourelf up a serial console, remove your video card, and quit yer bitchin. |
| 01:24.53 | scenestar | nah |
| 01:25.03 | kspath | Samuli^: It usually transforms into a war at some point. |
| 01:25.12 | scenestar | just becuase i prefer a terminal doesnt mean i dont want it to be translucent |
| 01:25.22 | iter | KDE DROOLZ!!!11!! |
| 01:25.29 | deano | rtorrent ftw |
| 01:25.30 | Samuli^ | kspath, never seen that happen on #ub.. right, we're on #debian. |
| 01:25.59 | rockstar_ | shogunx : That is the best thing to do with dpkg I have ever seen! |
| 01:26.03 | iter | deano: what does ftw mean |
| 01:26.08 | iter | been seeing that today |
| 01:26.11 | scenestar | f0r t3h win!!11 |
| 01:26.17 | iter | thats what I thought |
| 01:26.23 | David3 | iter: you should check out acronymfinder.com |
| 01:26.26 | iter | hmm still don't really make sense |
| 01:26.34 | scenestar | iter neither does pwn |
| 01:26.34 | abrotman | !ftw |
| 01:26.34 | shogunx | Samuli^ thats cause most ubuntu users cant figure out how to noy use gnome without installing kubuntu... err... |
| 01:26.35 | dpkg | somebody said ftw was wtf backwards |
| 01:26.36 | iter | heh I had it up as I asked that question |
| 01:26.39 | abrotman | hehe |
| 01:26.39 | rockstar_ | scenestar : Buddy has a command line torrent dler |
| 01:26.40 | shogunx | !start a distro war |
| 01:26.40 | dpkg | DSL 0wnz! |
| 01:26.42 | hazard_ | Anyone have any idea why a mainboard which (allegedly) supports UDMA won't actually USE DMA modes on drives? |
| 01:27.02 | abrotman | the drive doesn't support dma |
| 01:27.04 | iter | old drive? |
| 01:27.04 | Samuli^ | shogunx, you can do that?! |
| 01:27.05 | zinx | hazard_: perhaps your kernel lacks support for the chipset |
| 01:27.07 | abrotman | best idea ever! |
| 01:27.07 | rockstar_ | I have pwm on my development system here, with x2x running so I only have one kbd/mse, and I think it is awesome. |
| 01:27.12 | stew | hazard_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 01:27.20 | hazard_ | no, it isn't enabling DMA on a bios level |
| 01:27.24 | rockstar_ | Defintely not a great everyday manager like my enlightenment, but works well. |
| 01:27.28 | hazard_ | (this isn't a linux-specific problem) |
| 01:27.29 | scenestar | in that case its just hardware |
| 01:27.30 | mccune | keys for apt? |
| 01:27.32 | hazard_ | (exactly) |
| 01:27.33 | iter | scenestar: pwn does make sense actually |
| 01:27.36 | iter | like teh |
| 01:27.41 | scenestar | it does? |
| 01:27.51 | iter | sure it's a mistype of 0wn |
| 01:27.51 | abrotman | mccune: what keys do you need? |
| 01:27.52 | rockstar_ | abrotman : My idea? |
| 01:27.53 | lastnode | does deb store the machine hostname in /etc/conf.d/hostname? |
| 01:27.56 | shogunx | Samuli^ yep. apt-get install your wm of choice and enter it in ~/.xinitrc |
| 01:28.05 | mccune | aptitude isn't saying, how can I ask it? |
| 01:28.11 | stew | lastnode: no, ; man 1 hostname ; man 5 hostname |
| 01:28.12 | abrotman | about what? |
| 01:28.13 | mccune | abrotman: that is. |
| 01:28.15 | lastnode | Samuli^, or use something like gdm or kdm at startup |
| 01:28.17 | abrotman | mccune: /topic |
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| 01:28.21 | stew | hmm there is no hostname(5) |
| 01:28.24 | scenestar | i like gdm |
| 01:28.25 | stew | probably should be |
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| 01:28.32 | stew | scenestar: please stop trolling |
| 01:28.39 | mccune | xen-utils-3.0 for example |
| 01:28.45 | Samuli^ | shogunx, actually, you don't have to do anything but apt-get right meta-package and log into your new system. |
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| 01:29.15 | shogunx | Samuli^ let me see you run wmaker that way. |
| 01:30.07 | scenestar | hmmm |
| 01:30.35 | abrotman | stew: it's gonna be close |
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| 01:31.01 | scenestar | yeah well, you allways end up mucking in .conf files |
| 01:31.09 | stew | abrotman: i can't watch, i just got a big project dumped on my by a client |
| 01:31.19 | scenestar | have fun |
| 01:31.30 | abrotman | stew: tell him it's 930pm |
| 01:31.30 | shogunx | stew i hope you dunp a big bill back on them. |
| 01:31.40 | stew | shogunx: of course! |
| 01:31.47 | Samuli^ | shogunx, It's possible. |
| 01:31.47 | abrotman | stew: down by one .. top of the ninth .. |
| 01:31.50 | scenestar | stew , what do you do for a living anyways |
| 01:32.05 | abrotman | stew: and now two outs .. oh well |
| 01:32.18 | hazard_ | Ugghh...I hate intel boards. |
| 01:32.39 | lastnode | to get deb to check a disk at startup, what values do i need to set the last two 0 0s in its fstab listing? |
| 01:32.39 | scenestar | then dont buy ehm |
| 01:32.51 | hazard_ | I don't buy anything, I just get handme downs. |
| 01:33.02 | iter | sssh intel is fine and dandy like sour candy |
| 01:33.07 | iter | well suppported |
| 01:33.07 | stew | abrotman: i'd rather do it now than tomorrow morning |
| 01:33.19 | abrotman | intel boards are better than some of the whackjob boards out there |
| 01:33.25 | abrotman | stew: can't be that big then |
| 01:33.28 | hazard_ | But of all my mainboards the intel ones are ALWAYS the ones with weird problems. |
| 01:33.40 | stew | scenestar: programming, admin, comptuer geekish type of stuff |
| 01:33.43 | scenestar | intel is white trash and dell |
| 01:33.54 | scenestar | stew online unix husstlah |
| 01:33.56 | hazard_ | (ok, so the fact that my best AMD board frequently crashes windows if the integrated sound is enabled) |
| 01:34.07 | abrotman | hazard_: hehe |
| 01:34.16 | scenestar | yeah but thats windows, so it would crash if you even looked at it the wrong way |
| 01:34.18 | thingfish | why can't we just have a normal day in this channel. |
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| 01:34.27 | hazard_ | Define normal? |
| 01:34.30 | David3 | thingfish: normal? what's that? |
| 01:34.33 | abrotman | thingfish: because greycat is in hiding ;) |
| 01:34.36 | thingfish | hehe |
| 01:34.54 | hazard_ | Also because we have 'things' that are 'fishy' |
| 01:34.59 | shogunx | We the members of #debian, hereby declare thursday "Normal Day" in honor of thingfish. |
| 01:35.00 | thingfish | sometimes I miss those sharp teeth of his/hers. |
| 01:35.10 | scenestar | apend t3h topic !1 |
| 01:35.10 | David3 | what day is it? |
| 01:35.13 | Azar | thingfish: today is the international dorks' day |
| 01:35.15 | scenestar | thursday |
| 01:35.25 | scenestar | depends on the timezone really |
| 01:35.32 | David3 | really? darn it, I really think it's wednesday in california |
| 01:35.35 | hazard_ | all 783 of us? |
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| 01:35.41 | hazard_ | 784 |
| 01:35.43 | shogunx | David3 it is. |
| 01:35.53 | scenestar | its 3,40 here |
| 01:36.06 | shogunx | its going to be 420 here soon. |
| 01:36.12 | David3 | brb |
| 01:36.12 | Azar | hazard_: it started with the trolls that luckily were k-lined |
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| 01:36.24 | scenestar | why are there 783 people online |
| 01:36.29 | hazard_ | k-lined? |
| 01:36.31 | scenestar | but only 10 to 12 active |
| 01:36.35 | rockstar_ | If I want mplayer to open in a 1024x800 window, does anyone know the parameter to specify that? I want it to stretch the video with ratio. |
| 01:36.41 | hazard_ | It seems to be always that way. |
| 01:36.47 | hazard_ | umm...I know this one... |
| 01:36.48 | scenestar | depends on the window manager |
| 01:36.51 | DaBlade | Hey |
| 01:36.51 | hazard_ | its one of the vf modules |
| 01:37.00 | shogunx | rockstar_, isn't there a -geometry option? |
| 01:37.02 | DaBlade | Are there any debs of the newly released amaroK 1.4 yet? |
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| 01:37.11 | scenestar | just build the source |
| 01:37.16 | scenestar | and use check isntall |
| 01:37.20 | hazard_ | no, its something similar to scale, but diffrent |
| 01:37.24 | abrotman | or ask #debian-kde |
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| 01:37.36 | DaBlade | Hello? :) |
| 01:37.45 | scenestar | yeah |
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| 01:37.46 | hazard_ | Hi Blade |
| 01:37.53 | thingfish | damn, no cheese for my ziti. |
| 01:37.53 | DaBlade | hazard_: Hi |
| 01:37.59 | veamos | is there any graphical application to download music, videos, etc.? |
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| 01:38.05 | abrotman | thingfish: take your socks off |
| 01:38.10 | DaBlade | hazard_: I asked if there were debs available of the new amaroK 1.4 yet. |
| 01:38.12 | thingfish | hehe oh lord |
| 01:38.15 | David3 | veamos: legally or illegally? :-) |
| 01:38.16 | scenestar | veamos no there isnt , use kazaa on wine |
| 01:38.26 | abrotman | thingfish: yeah .. that was totally gross |
| 01:38.29 | scenestar | depends what you want really |
| 01:38.32 | hazard_ | I have no idea. |
| 01:38.34 | abrotman | veamos: gtk-gnutella |
| 01:38.39 | hazard_ | err |
| 01:38.39 | DaBlade | Kazaa sucks. |
| 01:38.48 | hazard_ | Kazaa sucks ++ |
| 01:38.48 | rockstar_ | veamos: gtk-gnutella |
| 01:38.50 | scenestar | i prefer gift to be honest |
| 01:38.51 | rockstar_ | That's what I use. |
| 01:38.55 | veamos | legally, illegaly, it doesn't matter :D |
| 01:39.00 | robwilkens | Question: AMD64 : Testing (latest CD image) : I have 2 network cards, both are detected, neither "works" in terms of DHCP or manual config. Known issue? |
| 01:39.10 | David3 | yeah, gift works. command-line, but it's nice, not too difficult to figure out |
| 01:39.16 | rockstar_ | robwilkens : Is it an nvidia chipset? |
| 01:39.22 | scenestar | theres giftui |
| 01:39.24 | robwilkens | rockstar_ : no... |
| 01:39.25 | DaBlade | http://www.linuxp2p.com/wiki/index.php?title=List |
| 01:39.30 | DaBlade | List of P2P apps ^ |
| 01:39.30 | hazard_ | DaBlade what did you need again? |
| 01:39.40 | DaBlade | [03:39] <DaBlade> Are there any debs of the newly released amaroK 1.4 yet? |
| 01:39.47 | rockstar_ | robwilkens : What drivers are it loading. I just had this SAME problem, took me a freakin' week to figure it out. |
| 01:40.06 | hazard_ | hmmm....who was asking something about mplayer scaling? |
| 01:40.06 | scenestar | disble one in the bios and try again |
| 01:40.15 | robwilkens | rockstar_: The right drivers are listed.. One is the onboard nic and one is a d-link card.. both were right. |
| 01:40.21 | scenestar | could be conflicting hardware adresses |
| 01:40.34 | rockstar_ | robwilkens : Are either one a gigabit card? |
| 01:40.35 | thingfish | DaBlade: you can always go look in packages.debian.org. |
| 01:40.36 | scenestar | dablade i answere |
| 01:40.37 | scenestar | d |
| 01:40.43 | hazard_ | DaBlade: Well, I don't know, I don't use that program. |
| 01:40.44 | scenestar | use checkinstall |
| 01:40.53 | abrotman | DaBlade: try #debian-kde |
| 01:40.55 | hazard_ | In fact, I don't typically use GUIs at all. |
| 01:40.57 | DaBlade | scenestar: checkinstall? |
| 01:40.57 | robwilkens | rockstar_ : gigabit motherboard, but 100-base-tx cards. |
| 01:41.01 | robwilkens | I think |
| 01:41.04 | hazard_ | (in combination with debian that is) |
| 01:41.11 | veamos | and what about amule? |
| 01:41.21 | rockstar_ | robwilkens : Check on the motherboard for a MAC mode, set it to "PIN_Strap" or somthing similar. |
| 01:41.22 | scenestar | dablade, it keeps track of make install in apt |
| 01:41.24 | scenestar | its really nice |
| 01:41.36 | DaBlade | How do I use it? |
| 01:41.37 | scenestar | theres currently packages for both sarge and sid |
| 01:41.43 | robwilkens | rockstar_ : It works in ubuntu .. Hmm.. I actually disabled the onboard NIC just minutes ago,. |
| 01:41.44 | DaBlade | I use Etch |
| 01:41.47 | rockstar_ | robwilkens : In the BIOS |
| 01:41.53 | robwilkens | yes, rockstar_ |
| 01:41.57 | scenestar | ./configure && make && checkinstall |
| 01:41.58 | scenestar | like that |
| 01:41.59 | veamos | has anybody tried amule? |
| 01:42.04 | scenestar | it replaces make install |
| 01:42.10 | rockstar_ | robwilkens : Trust me, it worked when I tried Ubuntu too, but if you do it, it will work. |
| 01:42.10 | shogunx | rockstar maybe mplayer -x is what you are looking for. |
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| 01:42.25 | DaBlade | veamos: xmule is better |
| 01:42.35 | DaBlade | amule crashes a lot |
| 01:42.36 | scenestar | sssshsst |
| 01:42.38 | shogunx | rockstar_ mplayer -x or mplayer -xy it looks like. |
| 01:42.45 | shogunx | not -geometry |
| 01:42.46 | robwilkens | rockstar_ thanks.. I'll dig out the motherboard manual. |
| 01:42.49 | scenestar | abrotman i allways read what i compile though |
| 01:42.50 | scenestar | :P |
| 01:42.56 | abrotman | right |
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| 01:43.07 | kspath | abrotman: I put scenestar on ignore earlier. You should consider it. |
| 01:43.08 | scenestar | dont buidl foreign objects |
| 01:43.19 | hobophobe | Is it safe to remove the gnu version of java and just use the Sun version? |
| 01:43.23 | hazard_ | the dsize filter might do what you need (whoever that was) |
| 01:43.38 | dragonfly | well, i'm getting closer to having this box ready to give away...i hope |
| 01:43.45 | thingfish | kspath: I would've too, but then I'm the kind of person that slows down to look at traffic accidents. |
| 01:43.46 | abrotman | hobophobe: why wouldn't it be? |
| 01:43.52 | hazard_ | how so? |
| 01:43.59 | scenestar | hah |
| 01:44.03 | rockstar_ | shogunx : You are the man. |
| 01:44.05 | scenestar | people hate me |
| 01:44.06 | scenestar | :D |
| 01:44.15 | thingfish | I wouldn't say hate. |
| 01:44.16 | hazard_ | scenestar: I hate you. |
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| 01:44.24 | scenestar | <3 lets be friends |
| 01:44.30 | abrotman | thingfish: i would :) |
| 01:44.35 | thingfish | ;) |
| 01:44.39 | DaBlade | scenestar: Let me guess - You have a MySpace account. |
| 01:44.42 | hobophobe | well I had installed the sun version and replaced the symlink to java with the sun version...but apparently something changed it back... so I was wanting to see if it's okay to remove the version so it won't replace the symlink? |
| 01:44.43 | shogunx | rockstar_ apparently StanTheMan is the man;) |
| 01:44.44 | scenestar | negatory |
| 01:44.46 | dragonfly | there is an error that keeps appearing in command line (in X i never see i) it says: usb 2-3 (sometimes different numbers): reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 2 (although this number changes from time to time as well) |
| 01:44.47 | Azar | DaBlade: hahaha |
| 01:44.54 | DaBlade | :) |
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| 01:45.09 | nevyn | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:45.20 | nevyn | rather than manually fudgeing the simlink |
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| 01:45.27 | shogunx | dragonfly what is the usb device in question? |
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| 01:45.40 | Erudified | why doesn't vim.ruby highlight syntax? |
| 01:45.42 | nevyn | hobophobe: how did you install the sun version? |
| 01:45.48 | hazard_ | I *STILL* can't get a USB mouse working under debian. |
| 01:45.56 | nevyn | Erudified: it's support for ruby scripting |
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| 01:45.59 | hobophobe | via their installer, it was a little while ago |
| 01:46.05 | scenestar | hazard /dev/inpute/mice |
| 01:46.08 | nevyn | Erudified: every version of vi supports ruby syntax highlighting |
| 01:46.11 | scenestar | really not that hard |
| 01:46.18 | scenestar | i still however cant get alsa to work |
| 01:46.22 | eegore | anyone have a clue what I need a repos for tor? |
| 01:46.24 | StanTheMan | can somone point me to a list of kernel supported non-RAID PCI SATA cards? |
| 01:46.26 | Erudified | nevyn, set syn=ruby? |
| 01:46.27 | hazard_ | Though-that could be beacuse I have nothing that could use a mouse on those systems (though the error message about "power overdraw" is concerning) |
| 01:46.27 | StanTheMan | please |
| 01:46.33 | David3 | hazard_: I've had some trouble with that. It's much easier with a 2.6 kernel, but it -shouldn't- be too difficult in 2.4. Just required restartin x server a few times! |
| 01:46.39 | hazard_ | alsa is easy to get working |
| 01:46.40 | shogunx | hazard_ kernel needs usb hid and /dev/input/mice in xorg.conf |
| 01:46.41 | nevyn | hobophobe: java-package is the reccomended way to do it so you don't have exactly these issues |
| 01:46.46 | nevyn | Erudified: :syn on |
| 01:46.52 | dragonfly | my best guess would be the card reader....it plugs directly into the mobo headers...there are no cards in it right now though |
| 01:46.53 | nevyn | Erudified: :set syn=ruby |
| 01:47.09 | Erudified | ahh thanks! |
| 01:47.15 | hobophobe | nevyn, I have java-package installed..is that sun? |
| 01:47.19 | nevyn | Erudified: vim can use a bunch of heurisics to identify the correct syn hightlighting |
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| 01:47.32 | nevyn | hobophobe: nope. it converts the java installer to a deb file |
| 01:47.32 | scenestar | since we are discussing kernels anyways, can i get ck , suspend2 and fbsplash to play together nicely? |
| 01:47.44 | shogunx | dragonfly and it sees the need to reset itself, eh? thats odd. does it read cards? |
| 01:47.44 | hazard_ | Yes, well, the real issue isn't getting the mouse to work per se, its really the constant barrange of error messages on tty1 after a CLI boot that are rather annoying. |
| 01:47.46 | apathy | hey |
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| 01:47.49 | nevyn | hobophobe: so it installs in alternatives etc etc etc |
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| 01:47.54 | apathy | anyone use ubuntu in here? |
| 01:47.57 | scenestar | aaargh |
| 01:48.03 | hazard_ | I installed it once. |
| 01:48.05 | hazard_ | Then broke it. |
| 01:48.06 | apathy | lol |
| 01:48.06 | nevyn | apathy: try #ubuntu |
| 01:48.15 | dragonfly | it also has a built in usb port...there are 4(i think) usb ports on the back of the mobo and 2 on the side on the front of the box that plugged into mobo....none of them have any thing plugged in |
| 01:48.16 | apathy | just came from #ubuntu |
| 01:48.17 | David3 | apathy: your nick is rather suitable |
| 01:48.21 | shogunx | hazard_ turn off the printk then. |
| 01:48.23 | nevyn | go now while you still have your eyes |
| 01:48.26 | scenestar | i installed it once and figured that it was the linux equivalent of safety scissors |
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| 01:48.32 | hazard_ | printk? |
| 01:48.35 | apathy | I must beinvisable, nobody would respond to my questions |
| 01:48.40 | scenestar | no |
| 01:48.44 | scenestar | we just dont like you |
| 01:49.03 | hazard_ | no, we don't like you scenestar, we just don't care about apathy |
| 01:49.04 | shogunx | hazard_ kernel messages. you can turn them off with a kernel option. |
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| 01:49.16 | hazard_ | o.O How little do I know. |
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| 01:49.21 | Azar | StanTheMan: maybe this can help you: http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html |
| 01:49.23 | apathy | basically im trying to add a TV to my install |
| 01:49.25 | scenestar | hazard_ , theres a few hundred people in a chan asking |
| 01:49.29 | scenestar | a tv? |
| 01:49.31 | Ronin | apathy: well seeing as your in #debian what do you think the answer is |
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| 01:49.48 | hobophobe | hmm, update-alts has that version listed.. maybe it isn't the problem then. |
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| 01:49.53 | apathy | hrm |
| 01:49.54 | David3 | apathy: it's unlikely that we'll be able to help you. ubuntu has some substantial differences from the debian we use. |
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| 01:50.02 | apathy | oic |
| 01:50.12 | apathy | i just need to gedit xorg.conf tho |
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| 01:50.22 | dragonfly | shogunx, don't know haven't tried it yet |
| 01:50.26 | hazard_ | so, go do...it then? |
| 01:50.26 | myren | how do i make a new kernel install _not_ update /boot/grub/menu.lst? |
| 01:50.40 | myren | dpkg -L grub doesnt list any obvious config files |
| 01:50.40 | dpkg | ii grub doesnt list any obvious config files 2.9-11 myren's private gamp collection |
| 01:50.43 | shogunx | dragonfly sounds like nothing to worry about then. |
| 01:50.45 | Linuturk | a basic install of debian (not using the net install option) is the business card torrent, right? |
| 01:50.45 | apathy | do section names have to be unique? |
| 01:50.51 | dragonfly | i plugged my jump drive into the card reader's usb device and that seemed to work ok |
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| 01:50.57 | zinx | myren: take it out of /etc/kernel-img.conf |
| 01:50.57 | eegore | dpkg: tor repository? |
| 01:50.57 | Ronin | apathy: well if your on ubuntu perhaps #ubuntu would be a good place to start |
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| 01:51.02 | David3 | myren: what I do is just add a special place in menu.lst above where they have that delineator that says "magic autoupdate below here" or whatever |
| 01:51.06 | apathy | ugh |
| 01:51.14 | monkey32 | hi!! |
| 01:51.22 | dragonfly | shogunx, except the message keeps comming every few minnuts when in the command line....about 4 or 5 times since i asked the question |
| 01:51.22 | hazard_ | well, maybe if you had a less lame name apathy |
| 01:51.31 | David3 | Ronin: he said he just came from there, where they were probably better at ignoring him |
| 01:51.33 | apathy | nvm, im about apathetic to linux now irl cuz of these stupid IRC channels |
| 01:51.34 | EdLin | Linuturk: tthe business card one is even more minimal than netinst |
| 01:51.38 | Ronin | David3: heh |
| 01:51.38 | hazard_ | maybe something like "juggernaught_of_doom" or seomthing |
| 01:51.41 | myren | David3: no offense, but i like zinx way better. ;) |
| 01:51.50 | monkey32 | could someone please recommend me a distro to install on 512mb in a 1GB usbpen? |
| 01:51.53 | apathy | thanks fopr the big ass "go back" sighn |
| 01:52.03 | shogunx | dragonfly if you are not using it, you could remove the kernel module that runs that particular device. |
| 01:52.11 | monkey32 | (with a graphical environment) |
| 01:52.12 | David3 | myren: what IS zinx? |
| 01:52.19 | Ronin | apathy: install debian and we'll fall over our selves helping you |
| 01:52.22 | Linuturk | EdLin: which should I get if I am just setting up a simple LAMP server? |
| 01:52.31 | Ronin | ok maybe not that far but you get the idea |
| 01:52.35 | Samuli^ | apathy, don't do that ;) |
| 01:52.39 | myren | David3: the other guy who replied to my grub menu.lst query |
| 01:52.43 | Azar | Ronin you just stimulate a vision in my mind |
| 01:52.43 | scenestar | Linuturk on what |
| 01:52.44 | David3 | apathy: sorry, we really can't help you, if we give you instructions they probably just won't work on your system because it's so different. |
| 01:52.47 | hazard_ | apathy has already left. |
| 01:52.49 | scenestar | he left |
| 01:52.50 | myren | zinx: < David3> myren: what IS zinx? |
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| 01:52.54 | dragonfly | shogunx, it's not that it won't be used, just that i haven't used it yet...this box arrived at my house in pieces just over 48 hours ago |
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| 01:53.04 | hazard_ | (I was sorta curious how many people would keep talking to him though) |
| 01:53.07 | Linuturk | scenestar: Mac G3 All-in-One . . . I believe that is powerpc |
| 01:53.11 | EdLin | Linuturk: probably netinst if the first full-size CD doesn't have what you need. |
| 01:53.23 | scenestar | Linuturk apache2 php5 and mysqlserver5 |
| 01:53.25 | Ronin | hazard_: dont know about the rest but i have joins/part/quits ignored |
| 01:53.25 | hazard_ | G3=PPC |
| 01:53.36 | scenestar | and after that add yourself to the www usergroup |
| 01:53.45 | shogunx | dragonfly ahh. well, since its the kernel reporting that message, its a kernel bug, of one type or another, or a hardware problem, but since its new gear, thats unlikely. |
| 01:53.50 | Linuturk | EdLin: the server I'm installing it to doesn't have net access |
| 01:53.51 | hazard_ | Ronin: never understood why people do that. |
| 01:54.01 | kspath | Ronin: I also ignore joins/parts/quits and some morons |
| 01:54.05 | scenestar | Linuturk thats erhm |
| 01:54.06 | David3 | myren: yeah, uh, excuse me, that looked pretty silly, eh/ |
| 01:54.08 | scenestar | and oxymoron |
| 01:54.10 | Ronin | hazard_: be here when theres a bot join/part flood |
| 01:54.14 | scenestar | <Linuturk> EdLin: the server I'm installing it to doesn't have net access |
| 01:54.20 | scenestar | im going to bash that |
| 01:54.28 | dragonfly | and we know it's the kernel reporting the error? |
| 01:54.35 | kspath | Ronin: There is also the join/part/quit spamming too |
| 01:54.43 | EdLin | Linuturk: LAMP without net access? |
| 01:54.49 | myren | David3: I thought it was pretty funny. In a good way. |
| 01:54.49 | scenestar | i guess a sandbox |
| 01:54.50 | shogunx | dragonfly could be udev, but the output you described is kernel all the way. |
| 01:54.58 | Skryp | Evening folks. I was wondering if anyone would help assist me getting a sound card working on a Sarge testing box. |
| 01:55.06 | Linuturk | EdLin: yes, without net access. It's for a local network only |
| 01:55.14 | Linuturk | for a Point of Sale system that is web based |
| 01:55.15 | shogunx | dragonfly, looks like every kernel message i've ever seen concerning usb. |
| 01:55.21 | David3 | Skryp: ask away |
| 01:55.22 | Linuturk | cash registers, basically |
| 01:55.31 | dragonfly | ok, thanks shogunx ....now, how to fix it |
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| 01:55.35 | scenestar | isnt that really really really retarded |
| 01:55.39 | EdLin | Linuturk: just download the first two or three full-size CDs, they should, but I don't guarantee, have LAMP included |
| 01:55.49 | scenestar | no offense dude, but financial stuff shouldnt be on a net |
| 01:55.55 | shogunx | dragonfly build yourself a newish kernel. its probably fixed already. |
| 01:55.55 | Skryp | I basically run through alsaconfig, things look good, but then : amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such device |
| 01:56.10 | Linuturk | scenestar: it isn't. It's all local in the office |
| 01:56.10 | hazard_ | maybe your soundcard dosen't like alsa? |
| 01:56.13 | shogunx | scenestar you mean like ecommerce? |
| 01:56.15 | scenestar | yeah |
| 01:56.17 | hazard_ | or alsa dosen't like your card? |
| 01:56.26 | StanTheMan | Azar: thx. That got me closer. I'm looking at an Adaptec 1205 card. That link says it's supported with "a patched version of libata's sata_sil subdriver (2003-12)." |
| 01:56.31 | hazard_ | Or it just can't auto bind to the card? |
| 01:56.39 | Linuturk | and, I'm going to use XAMPP for that, so I don't need the actual packages |
| 01:56.44 | scenestar | shogunx , i allways used merchant accounts for things like that, seeing as ive been through my script kiddy phase |
| 01:56.44 | Linuturk | just the base debian install |
| 01:56.46 | Skryp | Turtlebeach Santacruz & an Intel 8x0, both have valid modules loaded up |
| 01:56.54 | Azar | StanTheMan: glad you got a hint on it: I never used SATA |
| 01:56.55 | Skryp | but I can't get either card working on the mixer |
| 01:57.05 | scenestar | Linuturk AFAIK all the packages you need should be on the install cd |
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| 01:57.26 | scenestar | assuming you have physical access |
| 01:57.32 | Linuturk | ok, so I'll just get the first cd |
| 01:57.38 | shogunx | scenestar well, you do use a merchant account as part of a POS, whether its net based in a shopping cart or an actualt POS in a store, but you must have had a database somewhere. |
| 01:57.41 | StanTheMan | Azar: does that (2003-12) mean December of 2003? if so, I'd think 2.6 kernel's of any distro should support it by default now. Ya think? |
| 01:57.41 | David3 | Skryp: try different output drivers, like oss, alsa, arts, etc. |
| 01:57.48 | dragonfly | shogunx, i'm using 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 01:57.57 | hazard_ | I think I've had best luck with OSS |
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| 01:58.01 | Skryp | ok |
| 01:58.04 | scenestar | shogunx , true, but its just a receipt sent off elsewhere |
| 01:58.05 | snowrichard | hi |
| 01:58.07 | David3 | my computer works with oss too |
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| 01:58.25 | scenestar | i use alsa with an oss wrapper |
| 01:58.26 | Azar | StanTheMan: yes you could say google for "SATA linux2.6" see exactly which goes best, I am sure Etch covers it |
| 01:58.31 | hazard_ | I know I've gotten alsa and OSS to work, don't know about arts |
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| 01:58.38 | scenestar | arts is different |
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| 01:58.49 | hazard_ | Probably why I don't know about it. |
| 01:58.56 | shogunx | dragonfly well, i must assume you did not actually just build a 486:) so a new kernel would be in order anyway. |
| 01:59.00 | StanTheMan | Azar: I can find sh*t using Google believe it or not. That's why I came here... |
| 01:59.06 | scenestar | nah, sound on linux confuses me |
| 01:59.14 | Azar | StanTheMan: ok hold on I can do it for you |
| 01:59.27 | scenestar | you have oss and alsa , arts and es , gstreamer and xine |
| 01:59.29 | scenestar | etc etc |
| 01:59.35 | scenestar | ESD* |
| 01:59.36 | snowrichard | I just installed from etch iso and sound worked automagically on my yahama ymfpic |
| 01:59.39 | hazard_ | esound I've gotten to work too |
| 01:59.39 | snowrichard | pci |
| 01:59.43 | shogunx | dragonfly it might just be a little tweak, or it could have been a for real kernel bug that resets that aprticular device occasionally. |
| 01:59.48 | eegore | I need a repos for tor |
| 01:59.52 | scenestar | i still cant get alsa to access /dev/dsp directly |
| 01:59.55 | dragonfly | just apt-cache search for a new kernel? |
| 01:59.58 | hazard_ | I know I've never gotten integrated sound to work |
| 02:00.02 | scenestar | build it yourself |
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| 02:00.15 | hazard_ | but PCI cards always seem to work fine (as long as they're old ones) |
| 02:00.18 | David3 | snowrichard: I, on the other hand, have a computer that -never- will get sound automagically. |
| 02:00.29 | scenestar | my ac97 on via doesnt play nice either |
| 02:00.36 | shogunx | dragonfly if you choose. i always build mine from source, for maximum customization (not to mention i like to patch things like parallel processing into mine) |
| 02:00.40 | hazard_ | nope AC97 for me just makes panics |
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| 02:00.54 | scenestar | never had that issue, but it doesnt work to well either |
| 02:01.00 | hazard_ | (ironically it works fine under windows98, though that hardly counts as an OS) |
| 02:01.06 | scenestar | especially with mame and certain sdl apps |
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| 02:01.35 | David3 | hazard_: I mean... the nice thing about windows 98 is that it starts quickly. And what's even nicer is it stops quickly, too ;-) |
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| 02:01.49 | hazard_ | 'night all, last final tomarrow bight and early.... |
| 02:01.55 | scenestar | David3 : saves you time with all the reboots |
| 02:01.57 | David3 | hazard_: luck! |
| 02:02.04 | David3 | scenestar: exactly! |
| 02:02.04 | shogunx | David3 the nicest thing about it is watching it get overwritten. |
| 02:02.10 | hazard_ | Yea, I need it, not doin so good in physics |
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| 02:02.25 | David3 | hazard_: sorry to hear it. that was my major, I enjoyed it |
| 02:02.30 | scenestar | David3 , the constant reboots in windows are AWFULL |
| 02:02.33 | dragonfly | does the apt-get archives have a kernel source already "patched" for debian? |
| 02:02.33 | dragonfly | and is there anything newer tha 2.6.15-4 anyway? |
| 02:02.38 | _rockstar | shogunx : Hey, I got the mplayer window to stretch, how to I get the video to scale with the window? |
| 02:02.45 | hazard_ | On the other hand every calc test as been an 80. Even. |
| 02:02.48 | scenestar | and to make it worse you have apps like norton which decide that you should reboot |
| 02:02.58 | David3 | the other thing I like about windows 98 is that if I change my system colors, many apps dynamically auto-update to reflect the change. |
| 02:03.11 | kspath | hazard_: did you study thermodynamics yet? |
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| 02:03.18 | hazard_ | no that's next semester |
| 02:03.20 | dragonfly | _rockstar, just jumping in on the middle of your convo here but is here a zoom (200% 400% fulscreen etc) |
| 02:03.30 | scenestar | the most confusing thing about windows is the install cds for drivers etc |
| 02:03.42 | scenestar | after you get used to pnp kernel modules |
| 02:03.44 | hazard_ | that and what error messages mean. |
| 02:03.50 | hazard_ | no kidding. |
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| 02:04.31 | scenestar | i just love the way webcams and usb wifi works out of the box |
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| 02:04.42 | _rockstar | Anyone know how to scale a video in mplayer? |
| 02:04.50 | hazard_ | FAK, its raining...AGAIN |
| 02:04.51 | _rockstar | Like, make it bigger? |
| 02:04.57 | David3 | the two things I miss most about windows are color schemes and Eudora. Aside from that... there's just nothing in it. I haven't booted it this year... |
| 02:04.58 | alexscott | -zoom |
| 02:05.00 | scenestar | _rockstar beats me |
| 02:05.09 | hazard_ | _rockstar: -vf scale=x:y |
| 02:05.18 | hazard_ | (though that's slow, and really only for encoding) |
| 02:05.26 | hazard_ | zoom is old, I don't think it works very well anymore |
| 02:05.43 | intx__ | does anyone here mount their /usr directory read only? |
| 02:05.45 | scenestar | David3 , i sometimes pop in a windows cd just to see if it still sucks |
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| 02:06.08 | scenestar | intx , i have everything in one filesystem |
| 02:06.10 | David3 | scenestar: clearly your memories were not burned well enough in |
| 02:06.16 | kepht | _rockstar: check yer video-output setting in config |
| 02:06.33 | scenestar | David3 , the only thing i REALLY miss is a decent msn client |
| 02:06.33 | cr3 | is there a debian package that provides html2pdf conversion? |
| 02:06.36 | David3 | intx: I don't, but I know it's really easy to mount something read-only -- thing is, you might have difficulty with apt-get |
| 02:06.45 | David3 | scenestar: you're not happy with, e.g., gaim? |
| 02:06.46 | kspath | intx: Are you going to ever be running updates on just a system with /usr mounted ro? |
| 02:06.54 | intx | the securing debian manual recommends I mount it read only.. however right now I can't remount it read only |
| 02:06.55 | scenestar | David3 no im not |
| 02:06.59 | intx | mount: /usr is busy |
| 02:07.03 | myren | PATCH_THE_KERNEL=YES without --added-patches will add all the patches in kernel-patches, right? |
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| 02:07.10 | shogunx | _rockstar maybe -fs, but try -vf rectangle[=w:h:x:y] |
| 02:07.18 | scenestar | amsn is prolly the closest thing to the real deal |
| 02:07.19 | kspath | intx: /etc/fstab |
| 02:07.30 | scenestar | but its the biggest piece of crap i have EVER seen |
| 02:07.42 | David3 | scenestar: I can't say I ever used a microsoft msn client, but I don't usually go for the bells and whistles anyway (as I sit here using kde) |
| 02:07.47 | intx | kspath: I'd be running updates, I have my apt.conf configured to mount/remount it afterwards.. unfortunately something appears to be using /usr so it's not working |
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| 02:07.50 | scenestar | it crashes if you open your offline contact list |
| 02:07.57 | intx | not sure how I can check this, or how I can fix it so I can remount it read only |
| 02:08.11 | scenestar | David3 , well i know alot of people who would switch to linux if only there was a decent IM client |
| 02:08.20 | hazard_ | -vf rectangle draws a rectanlge with those dimensions |
| 02:08.21 | scenestar | since all they use their pc for is msn anyways |
| 02:08.21 | hazard_ | .... |
| 02:08.28 | shogunx | scenestar dude... gaim. |
| 02:08.28 | stew | scenestar: did you file a bug? |
| 02:08.30 | David3 | scenestar: really? that's the only thing holding them back? huh. |
| 02:08.36 | cr3 | other than latex, texi and ps, what other formats convert well to pdf? I need to generate a report which can ultimately be converted to pdf |
| 02:08.39 | scenestar | David3 i kid you not |
| 02:08.43 | kspath | intx: When do think /usr will not be in use? |
| 02:08.45 | scenestar | stew, yea i did |
| 02:08.46 | hazard_ | -vf scale=640:480 would scale the ouptut window to 640x480 |
| 02:08.47 | magyar | is there a way to get debian (etch or sid) to not swap harddrive device assignment on every reeboot? it's fuckin anoying |
| 02:08.52 | dragonfly | well, it reads cards....the card is continuously busy though so cannot unmount i |
| 02:08.52 | scenestar | but the amsn devs seem to not care |
| 02:08.55 | dragonfly | it |
| 02:08.56 | David3 | scenestar: I'd imagine the integration with streaming audio/video via weblinks would probably be a part of that |
| 02:09.06 | scenestar | hmmmm |
| 02:09.07 | intx | kspath: well normally it works, but if a lib file is updated I can't remount it |
| 02:09.10 | _matej | scenestar: if I was not reading this channel in kopete I would believe that there is no decent IM client for Linux ;-) |
| 02:09.13 | scenestar | you mean camming your girl friend |
| 02:09.14 | shogunx | _rockstar, see what hazard_ said. |
| 02:09.15 | intx | kspath: not sure why, or how to fix it from this point |
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| 02:09.39 | scenestar | _matej its ok |
| 02:09.43 | stew | scenestar: i don't see it |
| 02:09.55 | scenestar | stew what do you mean? |
| 02:10.10 | David3 | magyar: is grub doing some sort of magic, or is this just os level? |
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| 02:10.23 | stew | scenestar: you said that amsn is unusable and that you filed a bug, what is the bug number? |
| 02:10.33 | scenestar | i harrassed them on irc |
| 02:11.07 | shogunx | scenewhore... i mean scenestar like you are doing with us here now talking about fucking windows? |
| 02:11.22 | scenestar | im saying that there is no decent msn client |
| 02:11.23 | David3 | shogunx: I should take the blame here, I think I really started that. |
| 02:11.42 | stew | scenestar: so you didn't file a bug? if it still exists please file a bug, /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 02:11.48 | shogunx | scenestar and msn itself is not decent. whats the point? |
| 02:12.05 | veamos | can I install mplayer on debian? |
| 02:12.06 | intx | does anyone here mount their /usr partition read only? |
| 02:12.08 | scenestar | shogunx : the fact that everyone on the european continent uses its thats the point |
| 02:12.10 | magyar | David3: i wish i knew, at work i have a etch server, on it a sata storage drive. On every reboot i get either (/dev/sdb or /dev/sdd) i am affraid to reboot from remote location cause the system might not boot |
| 02:12.21 | hazard_ | veamos: mplayer CAN be installed on debian |
| 02:12.29 | shogunx | scenestar its a put out to pasture place for executives of unix compaines that sold out to gates. |
| 02:12.33 | David3 | _matej: what version of kopete are you using? I tried it once before... with kde 3.2 or 3.3 ... and it was kinda unstable IIRC |
| 02:12.40 | hazard_ | (it isn't that hard to get to build either) |
| 02:12.41 | shogunx | sgi... nuff siad. |
| 02:12.44 | scenestar | shogunx sold out or not |
| 02:12.44 | veamos | is it too difficult? |
| 02:12.47 | _matej | 0.12 from today's SVN. |
| 02:12.52 | scenestar | there still needs to be a better client |
| 02:13.04 | scenestar | and i really hate the way gaim-vv was killed off |
| 02:13.14 | veamos | vlc never works fine.. |
| 02:13.18 | shogunx | scenestar i know lots of europeans who want nothing to do with ms or msn. |
| 02:13.28 | hazard_ | veamos: install what binary support you want first, make sure you've got kernel headers for mmx, mmx2 3down sse etc, then get mplayer source and build it |
| 02:13.28 | shogunx | you are hanging out with the wrong people. |
| 02:13.30 | David3 | magyar: yow, that's a pain. There is some way to get around that, to mount based on volume label or serial number or something-or-other. |
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| 02:13.42 | scenestar | shogunx , I considered a nerd outcast |
| 02:13.45 | hazard_ | (you need to specifiy the location of the kernel headers from my experience) |
| 02:14.00 | dragonfly | veamos, "too difficult" is a relative expression |
| 02:14.01 | scenestar | well not an outcast, but take the apathy of the avarage ubuntu user |
| 02:14.01 | David3 | magyar: the other thing is to just put two entries into /etc/fstab with the same mountpoint for the two different devices |
| 02:14.08 | veamos | I can't install mplayer by apt. can I? |
| 02:14.12 | scenestar | and add teen angst and lameness to it |
| 02:14.17 | punsad | veamos: yes you can |
| 02:14.19 | scenestar | and you have the average msn user |
| 02:14.31 | shogunx | scenestar dude, i am surrounded by windows weenies too. i just ignore them. |
| 02:14.38 | hazard_ | You can, but You have to add the other binary repository (I forget what its called) |
| 02:14.40 | dvs | !tell veamos about marillat |
| 02:14.59 | scenestar | shogunx , but that would put me in the position of being a FSF zealot |
| 02:14.59 | magyar | David3: the second method will time out to (Control-D) to fix the file system, the boot process will not find one of the devices |
| 02:15.01 | scenestar | or getting laid |
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| 02:15.36 | shogunx | scenestar go ahead follow the lemmings then. moo. find a smart girl if you want sex. |
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| 02:15.38 | David3 | magyar: ... and if you're not there, there's no sshd running, and you can't be there to press control-d |
| 02:15.42 | veamos | will it give me problem installing mplayer? |
| 02:15.59 | dvs | veamos: there's only one way to find out. |
| 02:16.09 | David3 | veamos: I'm running sarge, and I haven't had any trouble. it's been great. |
| 02:16.11 | scenestar | shogunx , you mean find a geeky one? theres loads of people with phds who simply arent computer literate |
| 02:16.21 | dragonfly | what's wrong with getting laid |
| 02:16.23 | punsad | veamos: marilatt is great ... just add the entry to your sources.list |
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| 02:16.38 | magyar | David3: at home i got a sid install with two sata drives /dev/sda and /dev/sdb, on some reboots the kernel assigns /dev/sdf and /dev/sde, at which point "Waiting for root file system" forever. That sucks tits |
| 02:16.54 | shogunx | scenestar i know where you are coming from man... i was the "only linux guy" i live for a long time. now the rest of the fools drool over our success and toys. go figure. |
| 02:17.09 | punsad | magyar: "sucks tits" .. isn't that a good thing? |
| 02:17.11 | magyar | David3: yeap no sshd, the thing is dead untill the morning |
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| 02:17.32 | veamos | ok |
| 02:17.32 | punsad | magyar: sorry.. |
| 02:17.56 | magyar | punsad: not the kind you picture, perv :) |
| 02:17.59 | scenestar | shogunx , to be honest i quit my coarse on the ICT Acedemy because it was mainly focussed on proprietary sofware |
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| 02:18.20 | David3 | magyar: man fstab -- use UUID=... or LABEL=... instead of the /dev tree devices |
| 02:18.23 | shogunx | scenestar well, that was probably a good choice. |
| 02:18.40 | punsad | magyar: is it assigning sda or sdb to anything? |
| 02:18.47 | David3 | magyar: I've never tried it, but this is probably what it's designed for, no? |
| 02:18.52 | scenestar | well i told the kids that in 10 years they can kiss my linux guru ass and fetch me my coffee |
| 02:18.59 | magyar | David3: kool |
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| 02:19.15 | shogunx | scenestar don't be scared to be the only penguin on the block tho. cause they will be kissing the ass. |
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| 02:19.26 | scenestar | they would discuss the issue of fragmentation of filesystems |
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| 02:19.31 | David3 | scenestar: have you considered going to college for something non-computer-related? it might be really fun. I studied physics |
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| 02:19.45 | magyar | punsad: i never looked to find out, i have no other drives, in any case when /dev/sdf and sde are assigned i cant boot it freeses up |
| 02:19.55 | scenestar | but when i mentioned that that was a windows only issue the prof was like "uhm yeah sure whatever" |
| 02:20.02 | scenestar | David3 mebbe |
| 02:20.05 | dragonfly | scenestar, you'll be the one everybody comes too when they're windoze box f*cks up |
| 02:20.19 | punsad | magyar: I figured as much.. you probably can't even get to a shell prompt... hmmm. thinking.. |
| 02:20.58 | scenestar | well unless windows becomes POSIX compliant i wont ever touch it again |
| 02:21.00 | hazard_ | O |
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| 02:21.10 | scenestar | i liked MSH, but they managed to screw that up too |
| 02:21.13 | punsad | magyar: I dunno about SATA drives, but on IDE drives... there's those jumpers that you have to configure correctly as master or slave... is there something similar for SATA drives? |
| 02:21.15 | David3 | scenestar: good luck keeping that vow. I'll be envious if you can! |
| 02:21.16 | magyar | i think the whole sata/scsi bs is a pain in the 2.6 tree |
| 02:21.21 | hazard_ | I'm going to school for EE.... |
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| 02:21.37 | scenestar | im thinking of taking a business course |
| 02:21.38 | dragonfly | punsad, with SATA it's one drive to one cable to one connector on the mobo |
| 02:21.38 | punsad | hazard_: that's a good major |
| 02:21.38 | wy | anyone with automake experience here? I have some newbee guestions |
| 02:21.43 | kspath | hazard_: electronic or electrical? |
| 02:21.44 | scenestar | and end up selling linux |
| 02:21.48 | ShellMaza | i can't find this package to save the life for me |
| 02:21.49 | ShellMaza | x11-common_6.9.0.dfsg.1-6_all.deb |
| 02:21.51 | hazard_ | OOOO, then with IDE, there's the exception for Westren digital |
| 02:22.05 | hazard_ | Umm, at the moment, basic classes, but I'm not really sure yet |
| 02:22.06 | dvs | dragonfly: he's talking about the code logic, not the physical stuff |
| 02:22.11 | magyar | punsad: kool, and on my tape drives there are jumpers also :) |
| 02:22.26 | shogunx | scenestar you can find the rest of the pengies via smart places like the internet society, fsf mailing lists, etc. |
| 02:22.31 | magyar | punsad: nope , no jumpers |
| 02:22.45 | hazard_ | I was under the impression that SATA was jumperless |
| 02:22.51 | hazard_ | (since each drive is single ended) |
| 02:22.57 | scenestar | shogunx , i usually impress my friends the moment i boot up that shiny penquin logo |
| 02:23.10 | punsad | magyar: that's the only thing I could have thought of.. I'm out of ideas... |
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| 02:23.26 | shogunx | scenestar and let the other dickheads think and say whatever they have to... you will be the one on top in the long run, and they will be jealous. |
| 02:23.26 | scenestar | after i fire up atranslucent erminal spawned by a mere f12 theyre usually drooling over my a6k |
| 02:23.35 | newpers | does anyone have expreience with acl? setfactl -m user:newpers:rwx,group:lighttpd:rwx,default:mask:rwx,other:--- /var/www/sockets/foo/... is still not giving me a 775 file when a file gets created in foo/. when i getfacl file it reads. user::rwx, group::rwx, mask::r-x, other::---. where'd i mess up? |
| 02:23.36 | David3 | shellmaze have you looked at packages.debian.org ? |
| 02:24.05 | dragonfly | dvs, i was referring to the question about the master/slave/cable select jumpers |
| 02:24.11 | scenestar | shogunx : i figured that out too some time ago |
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| 02:24.14 | dvs | dragonfly: oh ok |
| 02:24.16 | punsad | magyar: is there anything in the BIOS you could tweak? |
| 02:24.24 | shogunx | scenestar in 15 years they will be begging you for more disk quote for thier sales presentation. |
| 02:24.28 | hazard_ | what's the problem realted to drives right now? |
| 02:24.34 | scenestar | i know linux is going to become huge, so i might as well become an admin |
| 02:24.59 | scenestar | even so, seeing as all the educations are focussed on doze, windows admins will cost a dime a dozen |
| 02:25.26 | dvs | scenestar: but companies will fight over you? |
| 02:25.46 | scenestar | as long as i can go to work in my dickies and vans im fine |
| 02:25.57 | hazard_ | Ugh, don't get me started about the rediculous security settings on the machines in the computer labs here. |
| 02:25.59 | ShellMaza | ok i got a problem |
| 02:26.03 | David3 | scenestar: have you checked out ibm's linux training? http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/lpi/ |
| 02:26.08 | ShellMaza | nvidia-glx requires x11-common |
| 02:26.17 | ShellMaza | but i have xorg-common installed |
| 02:26.18 | hazard_ | You can create a folder on the desktop, but you can't create anything IN it....how strange is that? |
| 02:26.24 | ShellMaza | so its giving me a dep problem |
| 02:26.25 | scenestar | http://www1.apt-get.org/search.php?query=x11-common&submit=Submit+Query&arch%5B%5D=i386&arch%5B%5D=all |
| 02:26.33 | scenestar | now browse that ShellMaza |
| 02:26.38 | dvs | hazard_: that's messed up |
| 02:26.43 | scenestar | David3 let me see |
| 02:26.45 | punsad | ShellMaza: are you runn |
| 02:26.49 | ShellMaza | it conflicts with xorg-common |
| 02:26.52 | ShellMaza | ubuntu |
| 02:26.54 | shogunx | scenestar i built clusters on the top floor of an atlanta financial district building in cutoffs and a punkrock shirt full of holes with no shoes and hair to the middle of my back. |
| 02:26.59 | punsad | ShellMaza: are you running Sarge? |
| 02:27.05 | ShellMaza | 5.10 |
| 02:27.05 | punsad | ShellMaza: oh |
| 02:27.07 | David3 | ShellMaza: uh oh, you just said a bad word |
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| 02:27.09 | punsad | ShellMaza: ubuntu |
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| 02:27.13 | scenestar | shogunx ok good |
| 02:27.14 | ShellMaza | i did? |
| 02:27.17 | scenestar | i should be fine |
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| 02:27.41 | punsad | ShellMaza: have you googled it? |
| 02:27.43 | scenestar | did you ever blast slayer while doing so |
| 02:27.43 | scenestar | :P |
| 02:27.51 | David3 | ShellMaza: you should ask the good folks in #ubuntu. They'll be better prepared to help you. |
| 02:27.54 | hazard_ | that would be perfect... |
| 02:27.57 | ShellMaza | well nvidia-glx is requiring x11-common |
| 02:28.00 | shogunx | scenestar nah... dead prez. |
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| 02:28.02 | ShellMaza | k |
| 02:28.09 | hazard_ | 'night |
| 02:28.15 | punsad | ShellMaza: what happens if you try 'apt-get install x11-common' |
| 02:28.22 | no0ke | i need something to use to burn my mp3s |
| 02:28.22 | nse | ubuntu is not bad. they make linux more popular |
| 02:28.26 | scenestar | shogunx , i had a meeting with a corporate client wearing a penny wise hoodie and old dickies |
| 02:28.29 | ShellMaza | its not found |
| 02:28.29 | David3 | indeed, on that note... I need to be going. nice chatting with y'all |
| 02:28.32 | scenestar | that was fun |
| 02:28.34 | maher | no0ke: abcde ; lame |
| 02:28.43 | scenestar | got me a driver to bring me home too |
| 02:28.44 | shogunx | scenestar bob marley. had a cdrom modified for my ganja stash in my office. |
| 02:28.44 | no0ke | is nero for linux free? |
| 02:28.47 | David3 | no0ke: mplayer, k3b |
| 02:28.51 | punsad | nse: I just don't understand why running Ubuntu is better than say... runing Debian Etch.. |
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| 02:28.57 | nse | no0ke: no |
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| 02:29.03 | punsad | noOke: no.... but it is useless |
| 02:29.05 | David3 | can k3b do an audio cd burn direct from mp3? |
| 02:29.09 | maher | no0ke: ignore me - i misread your question |
| 02:29.11 | scenestar | does it amtter? |
| 02:29.11 | punsad | noOke: check out k3b or graveman |
| 02:29.17 | dvs | David3: absolutely |
| 02:29.26 | scenestar | aargh |
| 02:29.30 | maher | punsad: its more metrosexual |
| 02:29.32 | scenestar | dont stick with windows apps |
| 02:29.33 | David3 | no0ke: k3b is what you want. it blows the doors off nero |
| 02:29.41 | scenestar | its not about finding replacements for what you used to use |
| 02:29.47 | scenestar | its about getting used to new things |
| 02:30.00 | dfile | I'm looking for some help on installing debian, powerPC netinstall, anyone kind enough to listen to my story? |
| 02:30.19 | punsad | FYI, all, under Windows... there is CDrtools front end which truly renders Nero obsolete |
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| 02:30.23 | scenestar | believe me, it took me ages to get used to vi from windows IDE |
| 02:31.04 | maher | dfile: just ask |
| 02:31.19 | dfile | Awesome |
| 02:31.33 | maher | scenestar: vigor makes the transition easier.... |
| 02:31.44 | scenestar | yeah well |
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| 02:32.17 | scenestar | seeing as i was going to end up using it i might as well get it over with |
| 02:32.19 | dfile | maher: I go through the prep stages easy, but while installing the base system it seems to stop on a different file everytime I try to install it.. |
| 02:32.26 | scenestar | yeah well |
| 02:32.27 | veamos | I'm having problems with video_out in mplayer. can anybody help me? |
| 02:32.32 | punsad | dfile: you' |
| 02:32.34 | maher | dfile: what sort of error |
| 02:32.35 | scenestar | test the network for dns issues etv |
| 02:32.43 | punsad | dfile: you've probably got a bad cd |
| 02:32.46 | scenestar | maher, i had that too last week |
| 02:32.49 | scenestar | and its a net install |
| 02:33.04 | punsad | dfile: even netinstall needs to load base system from cd |
| 02:33.15 | dfile | Yeah no shit |
| 02:33.21 | dfile | :D |
| 02:33.30 | leaveone | would anybody like to help me mount a usb device (mp3 player).. im running fluxbox and i cant figure out how to mount it |
| 02:33.32 | scenestar | well in that case it wouldnt pass md5 verification now would it dfile |
| 02:33.37 | scenestar | you did md5 sum didnt you |
| 02:33.43 | scenestar | DIDNT YOU????? |
| 02:33.49 | nse | every time debian starts i have to unmute the volume and i have to bring eth0 up. what's wrong? |
| 02:34.08 | maher | leaveone: tail dmesg to see what it called it, then something like mount /dev/sda1 /mnt |
| 02:34.09 | dfile | maher: It says debootstrap error couldn't download, loging |
| 02:34.14 | punsad | leaveone: plugit in; cdrecord -scanbus to learn the /dev/sdXX; mount the /dev/sdXX |
| 02:34.19 | scenestar | nse errr |
| 02:34.21 | scenestar | inet.d |
| 02:34.29 | leaveone | ok let me try that |
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| 02:34.49 | nse | scenestar: no manual entry for inet.d |
| 02:34.50 | maher | leaveone: actually cat /proc/partitions is a good way to find what its called too |
| 02:34.55 | punsad | leaveone: after you plug it in, you can try dmesg to see if it gives usefull info |
| 02:34.58 | dragonfly | nse, i had tha volume issue and jus got it resolve |
| 02:35.03 | scenestar | ok im off to bed, my ritaline is wearing off and im not gonna have you suffer me bouncing around the chan |
| 02:35.04 | dfile | Right now, I'm on the machine with bare stuff running so I can share my woes with you :D |
| 02:35.06 | punsad | maher: true true |
| 02:35.11 | nse | dragonfly: how? |
| 02:35.35 | dvs | scenestar: talk to stoned ;-) |
| 02:35.40 | dragonfly | d....i had to change the settings with aumix, then save in there before quitting (i went back into it to make sure), then there were a couple other commands....let me check what they were real quuick...it was all done in the command line |
| 02:35.43 | maher | dfile: what version of d-i are you using |
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| 02:36.05 | lastnode | i installed frostwire, but it asks for java. ive already apt-getted java-common, what else do i need? |
| 02:36.21 | dfile | maher: latest 'min' CD that I downloaded from ftp.debian |
| 02:36.40 | dvs | dfile: link? |
| 02:36.44 | maher | dfile: is it the stable version? |
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| 02:36.59 | dfile | maher: Yes. |
| 02:37.01 | dragonfly | nse...found it |
| 02:37.01 | maher | lastnode: what version of debian? |
| 02:37.33 | dragonfly | here's what worked for me...as root from at command line (ctrl+alt+f2) i went to aumix and set the leves i wanted, then s to save and q to quit from aumix, then aumix again just to check them 'q' to quit then alsactl store then aumix -L then a reboot to test it and it was working |
| 02:37.50 | dragonfly | nse, no guarantees that it will work for you that way though ;) |
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| 02:38.01 | lastnode_ | sorry got dc |
| 02:38.01 | dragonfly | now what is the problem you are having with your network card? |
| 02:38.05 | lastnode_ | java anyone? |
| 02:38.19 | dragonfly | lastnode_, try #java |
| 02:38.20 | maher | dfile: offhand I don't know what's wrong - wat are you booted to atm? |
| 02:38.31 | dvs | nse: Sounds like you need a "auto eth0" in your /etc/network/interfaces file |
| 02:38.46 | maher | lastnode: install java-package - follow the instructions |
| 02:38.47 | FabParma | i have a p3 450 with 192 of ram and a hdd very slow. how to improve the performance? |
| 02:38.58 | maher | FabParma: check dma settings |
| 02:39.02 | punsad | FabParma: hdparm |
| 02:39.04 | dvs | FabParma: add more RAM |
| 02:39.07 | dfile | maher: Whatever the CD put on. I loaded ssh utlis from the CD loader too. Now I'm on a friends server talking here because I couldn't find any documents that described my errors |
| 02:39.18 | FabParma | dma setting? |
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| 02:39.39 | maher | FabParma: use hdparm - man hdparm for more info |
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| 02:40.09 | FabParma | maher: ok |
| 02:40.09 | lastnode | !info java |
| 02:40.13 | maher | dfile: if you're booted to something useful on the box try manually mounting the hd and running debootstrap on it... |
| 02:40.25 | dvs | lastnode: /msg dpkg java |
| 02:40.29 | FabParma | maher: and about the desktop enviroment? |
| 02:41.29 | dfile | maher: In this terminal I have you guys, in the other the install. Aren't I already mounted to the HD? I'm not running a live CD.. |
| 02:41.42 | punsad | FabParma: check out http://linuxboxadmin.com/micro/disk.php for some quick hdparm hacks |
| 02:41.53 | leaveone | ok, dmesg gives me some info but im not sure what it sees it as |
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| 02:41.58 | FabParma | punsad: very kind |
| 02:42.07 | leaveone | and /proc/partitions didnt see it |
| 02:42.14 | punsad | FabParma: that's a great website BTW for many hacks |
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| 02:42.22 | maher | FabParma: that will just be slow... use blackbox and feel l33t |
| 02:42.25 | punsad | leaveone: did dmesg say anything? |
| 02:42.31 | dfile | maher: I could check /var/log/messages/ were it says the error is logged and come back to see what you think |
| 02:42.44 | dfile | masher : has a feeling it says the same my screen says though :S |
| 02:42.47 | maher | dfile: yeah - tell us an error |
| 02:42.52 | gozz | will k3b burn .daa dvd images? |
| 02:42.53 | dfile | Okay, bbl |
| 02:42.54 | dfile | quit |
| 02:42.57 | punsad | FabParma: BTW - how is it "slow"? e.g. browsing with firefox will not be fast |
| 02:42.59 | cliffd | so, Im doing an install with linux26 and debian doesn't see my SATA drive. any ideas what I can do? |
| 02:43.11 | punsad | FabParma: at elast from my experience |
| 02:43.19 | maher | cliffd: look for an install disc that supports your hw |
| 02:43.19 | punsad | s/elast/least |
| 02:43.33 | punsad | gozz: yes |
| 02:43.34 | nse | dvs: yes! that was missing. do you have any clue about the volume? master and pcm volume always start mute |
| 02:43.52 | punsad | gozz: I used it to burn a knoppix dvd image |
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| 02:44.03 | dvs | nse: not really. the alsa-utils package is installed? |
| 02:44.11 | cliffd | maher: from debian.org? |
| 02:44.15 | dvs | !tell cliffd about sarge 2.6.15 |
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| 02:44.32 | leaveone | punsad, it says SCSI device sda at scsi0 |
| 02:44.43 | maher | cliffd: no - from google... |
| 02:44.49 | cliffd | dvs, thanks |
| 02:44.58 | nse | dvs: it is not. but it will, why? |
| 02:44.58 | dvs | you're welcome |
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| 02:45.11 | punsad | leaveone: okay ... try: mount -t vfat (orwhateveritis) /dev/sda1 /mnt/somemountpoint |
| 02:45.17 | maher | cliffd: or do what dvs said... |
| 02:45.19 | dvs | tonsofpcs: can I have one? ;-) |
| 02:45.35 | lastnode | is there anyway to cp an entire deb install to another partition? |
| 02:45.43 | lastnode | i mean, is there a bash command for it |
| 02:45.47 | maher | lastnode: cp? :) |
| 02:45.52 | cliffd | maher: thanks. |
| 02:46.09 | nse | lastnode: yes! you can read hard disk upgrade mini howto at tdlp.org |
| 02:46.12 | tonsofpcs | dvs - if ya get my alpha working, I'll give ya a 386 |
| 02:46.14 | leaveone | punsad, ah.. there we go |
| 02:46.19 | dvs | ha! |
| 02:46.38 | lastnode | maher, my problem is, will cp -R copy everything. |
| 02:46.40 | FabParma | punsad: im tring to install on jfs, i saw tests and seems its faster than ext3. what you thik about |
| 02:47.03 | maher | lastnode: try cp -a |
| 02:47.15 | gozz | punsad was it a .daa? |
| 02:47.20 | nse | lastnode: or cp -ax |
| 02:47.22 | punsad | FabParma: no clue... i've never tried jfs.. i thought I remmeber reading an article that said rieserfs is 'the best' |
| 02:47.46 | lastnode | thanks maher, nse |
| 02:47.58 | punsad | gozz: i'm not familiar with that.. just .iso |
| 02:48.27 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about fs comparison |
| 02:48.27 | FabParma | punsad: i wanted use reiser, but the tests said tha jfs is overall faster |
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| 02:49.04 | gozz | i cant get it to work nero does but the file i need is om my debian box |
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| 02:49.36 | FabParma | !fscomparison |
| 02:49.46 | TraceGreen | Hello, what is /dev/snd? if i load alsa modules, does it mean system should have /dev/snd? |
| 02:49.47 | FabParma | !fs comparison |
| 02:49.47 | dpkg | methinks filesystem comparison is http://linuxgazette.net/102/piszcz.html or http://www.linuxmafia.com/faq/Filesystems/ or http://linuxgazette.net/122/piszcz.html |
| 02:50.00 | punsad | FabParma: I just haven't tried any of the other stuff other than ext3. sorry. |
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| 02:50.04 | dfile | ...Back |
| 02:50.25 | gozz | oh well thanks anyway |
| 02:50.38 | abrotman | !tell FabParma about fs comparison |
| 02:50.39 | Ugly_Duck | is testing stable enough to use? |
| 02:50.45 | punsad | gozz: what is a .daa file? |
| 02:50.46 | dfile | The log just shows a seg fault :( |
| 02:50.49 | zu22 | i am running 2.2.20 kernel, Debian unstable, haven't doen 'apt-get update' in well over a year, just ran it and it complains about not finding any sites for "non-US" but i have these references in my /etc/apt/sources.list ! what happened to non-US packages? |
| 02:50.55 | punsad | Ugly_Duck: does a guitar have strings? |
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| 02:51.06 | Ugly_Duck | punsad: umm, yeah; sure does |
| 02:51.09 | dvs | !nonus |
| 02:51.10 | dpkg | somebody said non-us was where we put software that cannot be distributed from the USA. For woody, use "deb http://non-US.debian.org/debian-non-US woody/non-US main contrib non-free" in sources.list, and deb-src if you want sources. Changes in legislation mean that post-Woody, there is no non-us, so you don't need it for Sarge, Etch or Sid. Ask me about "crypto". for the few remaining packages, see ... |
| 02:51.22 | dvs | that's REALLY old |
| 02:51.24 | punsad | Ugly_Duck: oh sorry misread that... I though you asked about stable being stable |
| 02:51.49 | zu22 | oh so in sid the non-US packages are in the regular 'unstable/main' repo? |
| 02:52.05 | dvs | zu22: they no longer exist |
| 02:52.24 | zu22 | can someone point me towards a correct /etc/apt/sources.list for unstable i can use? |
| 02:52.32 | stew | zu22: /msg dpkg crypto in main |
| 02:52.34 | dfile | I would also like to note that I had Ubuntu installed before and it installed clean, now that I reformatted the Debian nor Unbuntu seem to work and experience similar problems |
| 02:52.39 | punsad | Ugly_Duck: are you intending the box to be a server? or a desktop? I still think stable is really best for server |
| 02:52.50 | zu22 | stew: ok |
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| 02:54.03 | dfile | ...I'll take that as anyone who was watching my story before is gone..Cheers |
| 02:54.05 | zu22 | i need to edit my sources.list file, can someone tell me what i should have in there now for unstable? |
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| 02:54.52 | zu22 | can i see the sources.list file of someone here running unstable plz |
| 02:55.02 | abrotman | !mirrors |
| 02:55.02 | dpkg | debian mirrors is probably use apt-setup, or at http://www.debian.org/mirror/list or ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/README.mirrors.txt, or http://www.debian.org/mirrors/ to make a mirror |
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| 02:55.16 | nse | zu22: if you read man sources.list you will know this and much more |
| 02:55.17 | sid | I have 3 mpeg-2 dvd compliant format files..(3 parts(3 weeks) to a documentary)...what is an easy way to make a dvd menu with 3 choices(which part of the 3 parts to play) ... I want to do something simple nothing crazy. Just a menu. |
| 02:55.20 | punsad | zu22: what realease were you running when your sources.list was working? |
| 02:55.25 | sid | What is a good program to use for this? |
| 02:55.27 | zu22 | nse: ok thanks will do |
| 02:55.33 | Ugly_Duck | punsad: as a desktop machine |
| 02:55.43 | zu22 | punsad: unstable, i just hadn't updated in over a year |
| 02:56.18 | leaveone | punsad, ok now i can access the drive and see the files but i cant delete or add any |
| 02:56.27 | punsad | Ugly_Duck: I reccomend etch... I ran it at work... didn't change around too much |
| 02:56.32 | leaveone | ive changed the permissions on /mnt/usb |
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| 02:57.08 | Ugly_Duck | kk.. etch is testing though right |
| 02:57.11 | zu22 | i am running 2.2.20 kernel cause i read it was very stable and secure |
| 02:57.23 | punsad | leaveone: can you alter files as root? |
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| 02:57.33 | signature16 | if i add a MySQL user ( create user userx identified by 'userxpass';) why wouldnt i be able to login to mysql with that username? |
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| 02:57.43 | abrotman | ask #mysql ? |
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| 02:57.57 | tonsofpcs | Alpha EB164, AlphaBIOS, 3.0r2 installation attempt: milo is attempting load and on the FireGL 3000: either stops at "Swapping to PALcode at 0x0 ..." or doesn't show anything (just goes blue). Nothing goes down the serial line in either case. On the Matrox Mil. II, there's a failure loading it. |
| 02:58.00 | punsad | Ugly_Duck: yeah.. but as far as I can tell... it's probably at least as stable as say.. ubuntu.. and everyones falling all over themselves about that |
| 02:58.05 | signature16 | abrotman: they are slower to respond than a Windows XP help forum |
| 02:58.09 | zu22 | abrotman: you think it is good to run 2.2.20 kernel? |
| 02:58.13 | leaveone | punsad, yes root can change them |
| 02:58.13 | Ugly_Duck | punsad: ahh, gotcha; thanks |
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| 02:58.15 | kspath | signature16: You need to study mysql |
| 02:58.18 | lastnode | ive installed the jvm, but frostwire still cant find it. how can i put it in the path? |
| 02:58.25 | nse | zu22: and old, there are things which are newer, and better |
| 02:58.30 | TraceGreen | Hello, I am very confused because my /dev have no directory such as net, snd, why? |
| 02:58.39 | zu22 | nse: heh |
| 02:58.49 | abrotman | zu22: no |
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| 02:58.58 | abrotman | signature16: ok .. but they would know more |
| 02:59.01 | TraceGreen | My kernel is customer and i compile net and sound in and also, they can work. |
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| 02:59.24 | stew | TraceGreen: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 02:59.52 | punsad | leaveone: I still think its a permissions problem...esp since root can change the files. |
| 03:00.00 | S4NE | Hey guys relly need help i have uninstalled my exim4 and now my mysql is offline |
| 03:00.10 | S4NE | can somebody please help my |
| 03:00.24 | TraceGreen | stew, Linux localhost.localdomain.net 2.6.14 #40 Fri May *** |
| 03:00.33 | kspath | S4NE: Did you install a different MTA as a replacement for Exim? |
| 03:00.40 | stew | TraceGreen: do you have udev installed? |
| 03:00.51 | stew | S4NE: apt-get install mysql-server-4.1 (or mysql-server if you want to run 4.0) |
| 03:00.58 | lexiyntax | !tell lastnode about java-package |
| 03:01.02 | TraceGreen | stew, udev? how can i check whether i install udev? |
| 03:01.12 | punsad | leaveone: what are the permissions of the actual files on the drive? you were correct to change the permissions on the mount point... I ran into that problem before |
| 03:01.14 | stew | !wikifaq TraceGreen PackageManagement |
| 03:01.14 | dpkg | TraceGreen: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 03:01.21 | S4NE | stew when i run this command isn´t it a problem with the old mysql datas |
| 03:01.26 | leaveone | punsad, any idea how to fix it? i have the permissions set so that root and user can rw |
| 03:01.29 | S4NE | i haven´t got a backup |
| 03:01.35 | leaveone | um let me look.. hold on |
| 03:01.40 | S4NE | only the mys etc. files |
| 03:01.48 | stew | S4NE: what problem? |
| 03:02.13 | leaveone | i have read and exec privelges |
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| 03:02.18 | lastnode | lexiyntax, java-package _is_ installed |
| 03:02.28 | punsad | leaveone: also - who is the user and group of the files.. |
| 03:02.38 | S4NE | stew in /var/lib/mysql i got the old databases |
| 03:02.51 | lexiyntax | lastnode: Did you log out then back in to initialize the path change? |
| 03:02.58 | S4NE | when i run apt-get install mysq.......will the include automaticly? |
| 03:03.00 | zu22 | every 54 seconds i see an error in my /var/log/syslog: "noflushd[775]: Could not stop kupdate. Expect lousy spindown times: No such file or directory." and i keep seeing "netbios-ssn connection attempt from <IPs belonging to my ISP>" should i be worried about either of these errors? |
| 03:03.05 | lastnode | lexiyntax, oh one sec |
| 03:03.09 | stew | lastnode: did you use make-jpkg to make and install a .deb from the sun .bin? |
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| 03:03.13 | leaveone | punsad, root is the user and group.. but when i put the files on i was logged in my normal name |
| 03:03.23 | TraceGreen | stew, no, i don't install udev. because i don't use debian, i don't install udev, so i don't have /dev/net, /dev/snd? |
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| 03:03.36 | stew | TraceGreen: what do you mean, you don't use debian? |
| 03:03.40 | TraceGreen | stew, actually, i don't think so. |
| 03:03.59 | TraceGreen | stew, yeah. |
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| 03:04.11 | lastnode | stew, i just apt-getted java-package, java-common and jamvm |
| 03:04.19 | punsad | leaveone: very strange... so you copied files onto the drive from the same machine.. logged in as a regular user? |
| 03:04.27 | S4NE | please help me guys |
| 03:04.45 | S4NE | will the old db´s included when i reinstall the mysql server??? |
| 03:04.52 | leaveone | yeah |
| 03:05.00 | stew | lastnode: read /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian about how to use it to install java; or "/msg dpkg install java" for instructions on installing a free java instead of sun's non-free java |
| 03:05.05 | S4NE | i hope so |
| 03:05.09 | S4NE | i will try |
| 03:05.10 | maher | S4NE: make a backup of your system now |
| 03:05.16 | S4NE | how? |
| 03:05.17 | leaveone | i used kwikdisk to mount it the first time.. then i just drag/drop files onto it |
| 03:05.23 | maher | S4NE: cp everything somewhere |
| 03:05.44 | maher | S4NE: then reinstall the same version of mysql you just removed |
| 03:05.55 | punsad | leaveone: when you did that...did you notice that the user and groups were being set to root even though you were executing the commands as a regular user? |
| 03:05.58 | maher | S4NE: then hope it finds the db |
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| 03:06.11 | leaveone | no |
| 03:06.12 | stew | S4NE: if you install mysql-server again, your old databases will still be available. you should be backing up that data all the time anyay though, if you don't have a backup by all means make one |
| 03:06.50 | lastnode | stew, im confused. ive installed all the free java packages that dpkg told me about. |
| 03:06.56 | S4NE | how can i find out which version i´m using before?Logs? |
| 03:07.05 | stew | lastnode: what does "readlink -f /usr/bin/java" output? |
| 03:07.05 | punsad | leaveone: oh.. I don't know anything about kwikdisk... maybe its doing weird things... try .. as a reg. usr... cp ~/somefiles /mnt/sda1mountpoint.. and see what that does |
| 03:07.38 | lastnode | stew, /usr/bin/jamvm |
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| 03:08.27 | leaveone | punsad, persmission denied |
| 03:08.32 | stew | lastnode: then java is in the path |
| 03:08.41 | stew | lastnode: what is frostwire, is it debian software? |
| 03:08.59 | lastnode | stew, OSS of limewire, i got the .deb |
| 03:09.23 | stew | lastnode: what is the error you are getting? |
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| 03:09.31 | punsad | leaveone: did you mount as a reg user? |
| 03:09.43 | leaveone | i cant.. permission denied |
| 03:09.58 | hejux | hi |
| 03:10.08 | hejux | whats wrong with google |
| 03:10.11 | leaveone | punsad, i thought only root has mount priveleges? |
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| 03:10.19 | hejux | i cant visit its homepage |
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| 03:10.25 | lastnode | stew, http://pastebin.ca/56761 |
| 03:10.36 | hejux | how about you |
| 03:11.00 | punsad | leaveone: .. checking that... |
| 03:11.16 | abrotman | hejux: how is that remotely related to debian? |
| 03:11.21 | lastnode | hejux, er, google technically cant be _down_. they've got a gazillion boxes on squid arrays |
| 03:11.32 | stew | lastnode: looks like frostwire is broken, talk to whomever packaged it |
| 03:11.33 | lastnode | but yes, i shouldn't have even answered that |
| 03:11.43 | lastnode | stew, okie dokie :) thanks |
| 03:12.28 | hejux | sorry i was off the topic |
| 03:12.32 | lastnode | what's the deb equiv of alsamixer? ive installed alsa-base but cant get my sound working |
| 03:12.39 | grassroot | xmms |
| 03:13.15 | S4NE | woohoo i think it is working |
| 03:13.22 | S4NE | very nice |
| 03:13.25 | S4NE | thanks |
| 03:13.41 | onetinsoldier | poor hejux is being made to think he has to eat, dream, shit, shower, wipe his rear end.... with debian |
| 03:13.55 | S4NE | another problem the exim4 doesn´t send any mails |
| 03:14.03 | S4NE | what can be the problem? |
| 03:14.04 | punsad | leaveone: .. I think it has to do with /etc/fstab/ ... |
| 03:14.15 | maher | hejux: can you ping google? |
| 03:14.25 | maher | S4NE: look in the exim log |
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| 03:14.40 | S4NE | ok just a sek |
| 03:15.17 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:15:43 Failed to get user name for uid 33 |
| 03:15.19 | S4NE | 100 times^^ |
| 03:15.20 | leaveone | punsad, should i edit fstab so that it allows me access the drive.. |
| 03:15.27 | lastnode | is there a sound config package for deb? |
| 03:15.31 | punsad | leaveone: yes |
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| 03:15.46 | leaveone | punsad, ok |
| 03:15.52 | hejux | onetinsoldier, you are funny , but i dont understand you |
| 03:16.00 | onetinsoldier | hejux: hehe |
| 03:16.11 | punsad | leaveone: I just experimented on my box... editted my fstab to say 'user' instead of 'defaults' and I was able to mount as reg usr |
| 03:16.22 | leaveone | ok |
| 03:16.36 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:15:43 Failed to get user name for uid 33 |
| 03:16.42 | S4NE | ohhh its the same |
| 03:16.44 | maher | S4NE: 33 is www-data on my box... |
| 03:16.56 | S4NE | Omg |
| 03:16.58 | S4NE | LautesOnlineLachen |
| 03:17.15 | S4NE | i know what i have done wrong |
| 03:17.30 | S4NE | i have delted the user www-data when i installed proftpd |
| 03:17.32 | punsad | leaveone: try adding '/dev/sda1 /mnt/sda1mountpont auto user 0 0' or something like that... never understood what the last two numbers are for |
| 03:17.38 | S4NE | who i can add them |
| 03:17.50 | zinx | why did you delete it? |
| 03:17.50 | maher | S4NE: man adduser |
| 03:18.02 | hejux | onetinsoldier, are you a poet |
| 03:18.06 | hejux | ? |
| 03:18.11 | onetinsoldier | no |
| 03:18.47 | hejux | this time, i can visit google.cn ,but cant visit google.com |
| 03:18.56 | S4NE | because i´m not the only one who have access via shell and some other guy has tried to install an ftp server but failed and i thought that the www-data is a user of the failed installation of the ftp |
| 03:19.15 | hejux | ONETINSOLDIER is a Registered User in the Nissan Titan Forums |
| 03:19.18 | S4NE | how to add www-data again? |
| 03:19.22 | onetinsoldier | hejux: in a way, i was trying to make you feel better about being 'off-topic'. |
| 03:19.32 | leaveone | yeah i added that.. im trying it now |
| 03:19.39 | punsad | S4NE: adduser www-data (?) |
| 03:19.58 | maher | hejux: are you in china? maybe you should try to avoid going to jail by not surfing censored websites |
| 03:19.59 | onetinsoldier | onetinsoldier is an old song by a group named... The Coven |
| 03:20.03 | S4NE | hmm okay i know the commands but i´m not the owner of the server |
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| 03:20.32 | maher | S4NE: when you add the user make sure you give it uid 33 |
| 03:20.40 | lastnode | stew, i got the problem. need to upgrade to jre 1.5 |
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| 03:21.02 | punsad | hejux: funny thing about net censorshipin china.. the imigration website is unaccessable from inside china (!) |
| 03:21.16 | S4NE | «maher» S4NE: when you add the user make sure you give it uid 33 |
| 03:21.18 | S4NE | ;) |
| 03:21.18 | hejux | maher, Yes ,you are right , i know it ,i think google.com is killed by some powful man |
| 03:21.21 | S4NE | But how? |
| 03:22.16 | leaveone | punsad, i think the problem now is that the files are already on there as root and group root.. it wont let me change the permissions on those files |
| 03:23.03 | zu22 | I am on dialup, using 2.2.20 kernel, Debian unstable, US Robotics Sportster external fax modem "28,800 with V.34 and V.32 bis" and bandwidth seems really low. i should be getting at least 2.5kb/sec but 'pppstatus -i ppp0' shows i'm only getting 1.3kb/sec :( i am running in console, not running X or anything else to suck bandwidth expect just irc. how can i improve my speed? in pppconfig i let it use maximum speed to communicate with modem per documentation r |
| 03:23.05 | punsad | leaveone: oh.. yeah.. that's for sure.. if a file is owner/group root/root... only root can change them... BUT .. if you can mount the disk as reg usr, you should be able to create new files on there as reg usr |
| 03:23.09 | hejux | punsad, it seems the whole world know it , |
| 03:23.17 | maher | hejux: maybe try something like tor or some other way to get around it... |
| 03:23.28 | S4NE | «maher» how to add the user www-data with the uid 33 |
| 03:23.28 | S4NE | ?¿? |
| 03:23.33 | maher | S4NE: man adduser |
| 03:23.44 | S4NE | will try |
| 03:23.58 | zu22 | any ideas? i really need to speed up this connection |
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| 03:24.13 | punsad | hejux: for example.. my inlaws are in xiamen and they are coming to US to visit. WE had to get onto the website to fill otu the forms and e-mail it to them! The paid ~$200 yuan for this service and even that service couldn't get through the firewalls |
| 03:24.16 | hejux | maher, tor makes me surfer slowly |
| 03:25.03 | zu22 | please can someone help me? |
| 03:25.21 | punsad | zu22: are you using bittorrent? |
| 03:25.25 | leaveone | my /mnt/usb dir only root has write permissions and i cant change either.. even as root |
| 03:25.33 | punsad | zu22: 'caus that'll really slow things down |
| 03:26.16 | punsad | leaveone: is any user logged in currintly *IN* the /mnt/usb directory? |
| 03:26.36 | leaveone | punsad, yeah.. me |
| 03:26.55 | punsad | leaveone: try 'cd ..' and change it from there |
| 03:27.01 | hejux | there are many websites i cant visit ,such as zh.wikipedia ,live.com,and now comes google.com ,i can live without google ...... |
| 03:27.02 | leaveone | punsad, i just closed the window though |
| 03:27.05 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D <= www-data@theurlofmypage U=www-data P=local S=949 |
| 03:27.05 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D ** s4ne@hotmail.com <S4NE@hotmail.com> R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 03:27.05 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kf-2m <= <> R=1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D U=Debian-exim P=local S=1832 |
| 03:27.05 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D Completed |
| 03:27.05 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kf-2m ** www-data@theurlofmypage R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
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| 03:27.24 | S4NE | oh |
| 03:27.27 | S4NE | i´m sorry |
| 03:27.33 | zu22 | punsad; nope, no bittorrent or anything, just running "irc" |
| 03:27.41 | zu22 | punsad: running in console only |
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| 03:28.01 | S4NE | Have u seen the message |
| 03:28.10 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D <= www-data@theurlofmypage U=www-data P=local S=949 |
| 03:28.11 | punsad | zu22: are you on a high speed connection? what makes you think you aren't bandwidth limited. you're assumption is that the box is somehow slowing you down |
| 03:28.16 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D ** s4ne@hotmail.com <S4NE@hotmail.com> R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 03:28.22 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kf-2m <= <> R=1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D U=Debian-exim P=local S=1832 |
| 03:28.28 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kd-1D Completed |
| 03:28.29 | zu22 | punsad: i said this is dialup, 28,8000 external serial modem :) |
| 03:28.33 | Azar | interesting, S4NE |
| 03:28.40 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kf-2m ** www-data@theurlofmypage R=nonlocal: Mailing to remote domains not supported |
| 03:28.50 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:28:04 1FgZBE-0004Kf-2m Frozen (delivery error message) |
| 03:28.54 | zu22 | punsad: i should see higher rate than 1.3kb/sec even with 28,800 modem |
| 03:28.56 | S4NE | Yes think so too^^ |
| 03:29.07 | leaveone | punsad, ive even tried chgrp to give me permissions and i get an operation not permitted error |
| 03:29.11 | S4NE | but i only need help because i´m a noob^^ |
| 03:29.11 | Azar | S4NE why do you things it comes like that? |
| 03:29.14 | Ugly_Duck | if this device is connected to my machine, how can i tell what usb port its connected to? Bus 001 Device 003: ID 0a12:0001 Cambridge Silicon Radio, Ltd Bluetooth Dongle (HCI mode) |
| 03:29.34 | zu22 | punsad: anymore ideas? |
| 03:29.35 | Azar | S4NE might be a spam blocker in your mail? |
| 03:29.48 | punsad | zu22: I think thats the fastest you'll get with a 28.8 modem |
| 03:29.59 | S4NE | before deleting www-data everything works fine |
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| 03:30.26 | Azar | S4NE for sure there is some hotmail spam blocker, complain to them |
| 03:30.36 | S4NE | now i have added the user again but i don´t know the old password for the user so i made a new one |
| 03:30.50 | Azar | S4NE you did good |
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| 03:30.57 | Ugly_Duck | any one? |
| 03:30.59 | punsad | leaveone: as root... you really should be able to change it... try 'lsof' to see if there are any processess accessing /mnt/usb files.. e.g. try 'lsof | grep usb' |
| 03:31.05 | S4NE | okay i will try it with gmail.com |
| 03:31.09 | Ugly_Duck | is it like /dev/usb3 ? |
| 03:31.14 | Azar | S4NE good idea |
| 03:31.21 | zu22 | punsad: eek i better buy 56k modem then |
| 03:31.46 | punsad | zu22: make sure its not a winmodem, too |
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| 03:32.06 | leaveone | punsad, yes.. quite a few things came up |
| 03:32.08 | maher | Ugly_Duck: use lsusb |
| 03:32.30 | punsad | leaveone: kill those processes... then try it |
| 03:32.31 | Ugly_Duck | maber thats the results from lsusb, i just dont know what port its conencted to |
| 03:32.50 | S4NE | the same |
| 03:32.51 | stew | lastnode: read /usr/share/doc/java-package/README.Debian |
| 03:32.51 | S4NE | 2006-05-18 05:34:19 1FgZHH-0004WO-Pw Frozen (delivery error message) |
| 03:33.02 | S4NE | but now for gamil.com and not hotmail.com |
| 03:33.04 | punsad | leaveone: if they are stubborn... 'kill -9 PID' |
| 03:33.08 | maher | Ugly_Duck: what do you mean what port? look and see where you plugged it in? |
| 03:33.12 | zu22 | punsad: nope this is external serial modem, US Robotics, hardware controller :) |
| 03:33.23 | punsad | zu22: I meant if you buy a new modem |
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| 03:33.36 | S4NE | Azar can u help me? |
| 03:33.38 | Azar | S4ME I think it is some sort of spam blocker |
| 03:33.55 | Azar | S4NE, I wish but I never use email on Debian |
| 03:34.10 | zu22 | punsad: oh ya heh |
| 03:34.14 | S4NE | i don´t think so becuase bwefore reinstalling everything works fine |
| 03:34.23 | punsad | zu22: is it a laptop? .. if so... you can get a used wifi card for cheap and leach off neighbors and/or coffee shops |
| 03:34.41 | S4NE | okay i will explain the prob again |
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| 03:34.45 | zu22 | punsad: ya laptop |
| 03:34.50 | S4NE | i have deletet the www-data |
| 03:34.56 | S4NE | no mail was send |
| 03:35.03 | punsad | zu22: you are golden! do you have a pcmcia port? |
| 03:35.11 | S4NE | i have reinstalled exim4 |
| 03:35.23 | Ugly_Duck | maher: but how can you tell what port its in from lsusb, as i have 4 ports, not knowing exactly what is what |
| 03:35.26 | zu22 | punsad: ah, if i get wifi card i will need a 2.6 kernel and i dont know how to setup wireless connection , never did that :P |
| 03:35.34 | S4NE | then i removed it and reinstalled it again because it wasn´t working |
| 03:35.34 | zu22 | punsad: i have 2 pcmcia slots |
| 03:35.51 | punsad | zu22: it's really easy with debian... |
| 03:36.01 | zu22 | punsad: cool what steps should i follow? |
| 03:36.04 | S4NE | and after removing the mysql server was uninstalled i reinstalled this one and exim4 |
| 03:36.29 | S4NE | and now i have added the user www-data again but don´t send mails |
| 03:36.32 | S4NE | :( |
| 03:36.42 | punsad | zu22: looking for this site.. |
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| 03:36.58 | punsad | zu22: http://sarge570e.blogspot.com/ |
| 03:37.01 | zu22 | punsad: ok, any wifi card will do? |
| 03:37.20 | maher | Ugly_Duck: what do you want to do? |
| 03:38.19 | punsad | zu22: so many seem to work now-a-days... Cisco is great... ebay is a great source ... you should be able to find one sub $20. Get model and chipset and google it for linux compatability |
| 03:38.26 | S4NE | no ideas? |
| 03:38.36 | zu22 | punsad: nice! thanks man |
| 03:38.40 | Ugly_Duck | maher: connecting my phone to wammu, but i dont know what port hte bluetooth dongel is plugged into |
| 03:38.51 | maher | S4NE: you mail set up is dysfunctional in some way - read the mail logs and ponder... |
| 03:39.08 | maher | Ugly_Duck: what is |
| 03:39.11 | maher | Ugly_Duck: what is wammu? |
| 03:39.20 | S4NE | i read them but now idea.... |
| 03:39.23 | Ugly_Duck | maher: its a mobile phone manager |
| 03:40.33 | maher | Ugly_Duck: the phone might show up as a serial device, /dev/stt0 or something - lookin the logs to see if there is a message about what the kernel called it |
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| 03:40.45 | maher | Ugly_Duck: /dev/stty0 i meant |
| 03:40.53 | Ugly_Duck | kk. |
| 03:40.56 | punsad | zu22: if you want one that will truly 'just work' - go for the Cisco 350 Aironet... if you are lucky you can get one for sub $30. |
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| 03:41.30 | zu22 | punsad: ok thanks |
| 03:42.45 | zu22 | eek haven't updated/upgraded in over a year, now apt-get upgrade says "Need to get 184MB/184MB of archives." haha that should take a few months with my 1.3kb/sec dialup speed :( |
| 03:43.49 | punsad | zu22: yikes!... reminds me of when I upgraded from potato to woody with my modem |
| 03:44.05 | Duelist | zu22: oy oy oy |
| 03:44.15 | Azar | S4NE sorry that I could not help try to see if there is a #exim channel here maybe there you can get more help |
| 03:44.23 | zu22 | punsad: heh <cry> |
| 03:44.31 | leaveone | punsad, thanks for your help.. it still isnt working right but i gotta get to bed |
| 03:44.44 | Duelist | zu22: I suggest using a broadband connection, even if it's a courier to someone else's computer with a CD burner |
| 03:44.54 | punsad | leaveone: good luck! |
| 03:45.14 | zu22 | duelist: ah and apt-cdrom to upgrade then? |
| 03:45.33 | punsad | leaveone: if I were you, in the meantime... just switch to root to work with the usb :( |
| 03:45.41 | Duelist | yeah |
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| 03:46.08 | Duelist | 184MB will fit even on an 8cm CD-R blank |
| 03:46.18 | zu22 | duelist: i don't know how to make a local repo of packages, how can i tell them to download all the packages i will need? |
| 03:46.20 | leaveone | punsad, yeah im gonna work on it more later.. im going out of town for the weekend heh |
| 03:46.50 | lastnode | stew, ok, got it to work, but im getting Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: No protocol specified. |
| 03:46.57 | punsad | leaveone: yeah... who needs usb disk on linux boxes anyways?? :) just kidding :) |
| 03:47.06 | leaveone | haha |
| 03:47.31 | Duelist | I'm really rusty on my Debian-fu |
| 03:47.32 | Duelist | so... |
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| 03:47.38 | zu22 | duelist: i need to tell him how to download the packages , so he will just put them in a directory and burn that to CD eh? |
| 03:47.41 | zu22 | duelist: ah ok |
| 03:47.53 | Duelist | yeah |
| 03:48.27 | punsad | leaveone: seriously... though.. I've wasted so much time futzing with linux that I've resigned to gust using the damn thing as a server... though every now and then theres an itch I feel I need to scratch! |
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| 03:48.52 | punsad | later all. |
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| 03:48.56 | punsad | gotta go. |
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| 03:51.01 | zu22 | my laptop exhaust fan broke a few months ago so in windows i was using program called i8kfan to have it run the cpu fan on slow constantly, is there any debian package i can run to control cpu fan? |
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| 03:51.30 | ParaDiddle | what command can i use to install a 2.6 kernel? |
| 03:51.33 | ParaDiddle | irc.debian.org |
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| 03:52.05 | ParaDiddle | apt-get install kernel-image-2.6.5-1-686 <- doesn't work... whats the newest version |
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| 03:53.25 | S4NE | no problem Azra but thank you guys ;) |
| 03:53.29 | Azar | ParaDiddle: I am afraid to tell you |
| 03:53.31 | maher | ParaDiddle: try apt-cache search kernel-image or linux-image |
| 03:53.49 | Azar | S4NE sorry I could not help you more |
| 03:54.37 | zu22 | any ideas? |
| 03:56.31 | stoned | someone said my name earlier, what do you want |
| 03:56.38 | S4NE | yeahhh woohooo ^^ |
| 03:56.40 | FabParma | why when i shutdown the pc, it arrives at end and says "poer off" but it still on untill i press the power botton. is there a way to power off automatically? |
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| 03:56.42 | S4NE | i figured it out |
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| 03:56.52 | Azar | S4NE \0/ great! |
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| 03:56.54 | S4NE | reconfigured the exim and it´s working fine |
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| 03:57.13 | user__ | if i wanted to run some stuff at boot, very early |
| 03:57.14 | Azar | S4NE good for you! congrats! |
| 03:57.15 | S4NE | thank you very much guys saved my live |
| 03:57.16 | woodland | does anybody know any channel for c++ language |
| 03:57.17 | user__ | what file would i edit? |
| 03:57.29 | lastnode | http://pastebin.ca/56771 <-- can someone tell me what's wrong there? |
| 03:57.31 | S4NE | and now it is 6 am in germany :( and i have to go to bed now^^ |
| 03:57.48 | S4NE | thanks azra and have nice day all of u bye bye |
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| 03:58.30 | user__ | if i wanted to run some stuff at boot up and very early, what would i edit? |
| 03:58.30 | phuknub | DCC SEND "I-bet-this-works-lol" |
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| 03:58.49 | FabParma | when i shutdown the pc, it arrives at end and says "power off" but it still "on" until i press the power botton. is there a way to power off/halt automatically? |
| 03:58.58 | redphoenix1 | hello |
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| 03:59.22 | user__ | if i wanted to run some stuff at boot up and very early, what would i edit? |
| 03:59.23 | won | Hello~ I just clean installed sarge and can't launch xorg server. I have ATI Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200] agp card. Anybody plase help me. |
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| 03:59.40 | lastnode | user__, add to run levels? |
| 03:59.52 | lastnode | user__, rc-update add <script> boot ? |
| 04:00.02 | user__ | ok |
| 04:00.12 | redphoenix1 | i am running debian unstable and i need the i915 in xorg but it does not show up in "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 04:00.16 | user__ | is there a script already, like "local" ? |
| 04:00.19 | redphoenix1 | what can i do? |
| 04:00.23 | user__ | that i can edit for that purpose? |
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| 04:01.57 | maher | user__: no - make your own script in /etc/init.d then use update-rc.d to make the symlinks |
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| 04:02.28 | redphoenix1 | are they not in xorg version on unstable? |
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| 04:03.42 | Supaplex | !topicsmite redphoenix1 |
| 04:03.42 | dpkg | And the wrath of /TOPIC descended with terrible fury upon redphoenix1. And all the people marveled, saying, Behold, we too should read the /TOPIC, lest we be stricken. And all the people read the /TOPIC, and went away edified. |
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| 04:04.24 | redphoenix1 | ... |
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| 04:04.27 | swbrown | Will the transition (if successful) to gcc-4.1 for etch include compilation of the archive with -fstack-protector, or is that left to decision by individual maintainers? |
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| 04:05.09 | Supaplex | !ops vort abuse/expliots |
| 04:05.09 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: vort abuse/expliots |
| 04:05.22 | vort | lolol |
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| 04:06.58 | won | Some one please help me to set up xorg on sarge |
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| 04:07.35 | user__ | so debian uses rc-update ? |
| 04:07.41 | user__ | i don't seem to have it |
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| 04:07.49 | maher | user__: update-rc.d |
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| 04:08.32 | user__ | how do i use it to add a script to the very first level? |
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| 04:08.51 | zu22 | any ideas? |
| 04:09.20 | hanfred | german deb user are here? |
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| 04:09.47 | zu22 | my cpu is heating up, help |
| 04:09.50 | hanfred | german debian user are here? |
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| 04:10.18 | zu22 | quozl: ah :) glad to hear that. another thing: my laptop exhaust fan broke a few months ago so in windows i was using program called i8kfan to have it run the cpu fan on slow constantly, is there any debian package i can run to control cpu fan? |
| 04:10.47 | hanfred | buy a better cooler *bg* |
| 04:10.48 | Supaplex | !de |
| 04:10.49 | dpkg | methinks de is Deutschsprachige Hilfe bekommt ihr in #debian.de hier auf freenode oder auf irc.oftc.net - German speaking users please go to #debian.de either here on freenode or on irc.oftc.net |
| 04:11.09 | maher | user__: you mean rcS.d? man update-rc.d |
| 04:11.23 | user__ | man'n doesn't tell you |
| 04:11.24 | hanfred | thx Supaplex but all user in debian.de are sleeping |
| 04:11.25 | user__ | that's why i ask |
| 04:11.27 | zu22 | hanfred: well this is laptop, i haven't been able find repalcement fan |
| 04:11.30 | user__ | i want to add it to very first |
| 04:11.42 | hanfred | sry zu22 was a bad joke |
| 04:11.43 | zu22 | hanfred: i just need way to make the cpu fan turn on in Debian, i can do it in Windows98 but not linux |
| 04:11.50 | Supaplex | hanfred: just ask your question |
| 04:12.11 | hanfred | i don't have important questions,,, |
| 04:12.25 | hanfred | i bake a kernel at time |
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| 04:12.25 | zu22 | anyone ? |
| 04:12.37 | rxed | Anyone knows a cool linux tips digg/news site? |
| 04:12.42 | hanfred | and what will i ask *gg* |
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| 04:12.48 | hanfred | i have it forget :( |
| 04:12.49 | Supaplex | !tell zu22 -about search |
| 04:12.50 | David3 | zu22: I think I have some experience |
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| 04:13.07 | hanfred | yes, well. |
| 04:13.17 | David3 | zu22: do you want it to automatically control itself, or do you want it to just constantly whir? |
| 04:13.40 | Supaplex | apt-get install --reinstall system-fans |
| 04:13.42 | hanfred | i have an amd 2200+ thornton CPU and this can i overclock to 2800+ |
| 04:13.43 | Supaplex | ;) |
| 04:13.45 | won | Hello~ I just clean installed sarge and can't launch xorg server. I have ATI Radeon R100 QD [Radeon 7200] agp card. Anybody plase help me. |
| 04:14.13 | zu22 | david3: well i guess automatically would be most efficient, but either is better to nothing since my cpu is over heating as we speak since my laptop exhaust fan is dead for some months heh |
| 04:14.20 | hanfred | wenn i install debian with 2200+, can i overclocking my system with a stable linux?? |
| 04:14.32 | Supaplex | won: sarge has no xorg. unless you use backports |
| 04:14.36 | hanfred | or have i install new?? |
| 04:14.46 | lexiyntax | won: #xorg? |
| 04:14.56 | zu22 | supaplex: :-) |
| 04:15.00 | Ekushey | regarding installation of Debian, which CD img's are needed and where to |
| 04:15.02 | David3 | zu22: my experience is just with apm -- my laptop's acpi is funky, won't work with linux. |
| 04:15.03 | won | supaplex, i can see xorg in aptitude |
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| 04:15.05 | Ekushey | get them ? |
| 04:15.07 | hanfred | bad english..im from german |
| 04:15.18 | baddy | debconf |
| 04:15.22 | baddy | rules |
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| 04:15.31 | Supaplex | won: you don't have testing or unstable in your sources list do you? |
| 04:15.32 | maher | won: xorg is not in stable |
| 04:16.00 | zu22 | david3: how do i get apm working (2.2.20 kernel) and how do i tell it to turn on cpu fan? |
| 04:16.06 | Supaplex | aptitude show <foo> should tell you all you ever cared to know :) (one can hope) |
| 04:16.09 | won | supaplex, oh my... sorry i added old source list you're right. |
| 04:16.16 | hanfred | i make just the kernel 2.6.16.16 |
| 04:16.23 | FabParma | when i shutdown the pc, it arrives at end and says "power off" but it still "on" until i press the power botton. is there a way to power off/halt automatically? |
| 04:16.29 | David3 | zu22: with a kernel instruction in GRUB. let me look around for it... |
| 04:16.32 | user__ | anyone know how to create boot script to run very first before everything? |
| 04:16.33 | zu22 | lol |
| 04:16.35 | hanfred | press your fingers, that my new kernel running ^^ |
| 04:16.47 | maher | FabParma: you need either apm or acpi support for your hw |
| 04:17.06 | won | supaplex, what is the safe way to install xserver ? |
| 04:17.12 | Supaplex | !x |
| 04:17.24 | Supaplex | !install x |
| 04:17.24 | dpkg | methinks install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 04:17.49 | zu22 | supaplex: i just updated in unstable and there is no package "system-fans" it can find. |
| 04:17.56 | user__ | anyone know how to create boot script to run very first before everything? |
| 04:18.00 | David3 | zu22 & FabParma: in grub, my kernel line says kernel (blah,blah) acpi=off noacpi apm=power_off |
| 04:18.03 | maher | user__: S01foo in rcS.d will run before all the other init scripts... but not before inittab |
| 04:18.16 | user__ | ah |
| 04:18.17 | Supaplex | zu22: it was a joke :) |
| 04:18.19 | David3 | zu22: there's another command to keep the fan running all the time... lemme find it... |
| 04:18.30 | won | supaplex, what about xorg just remove it? |
| 04:18.38 | maher | user__: try reading man init |
| 04:18.40 | FabParma | David3: sorry? |
| 04:18.59 | Supaplex | I've avoided xorg until all the hooplah has passed. |
| 04:19.02 | won | dpkg, above instruction is for me? |
| 04:19.03 | dpkg | won: okay |
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| 04:19.20 | David3 | FabParma: zu22 just a sec, brb |
| 04:19.21 | hanfred | is xorg not stable for sarge?? |
| 04:19.24 | Supaplex | !above instruction |
| 04:19.24 | dpkg | above instruction is, like, for me? |
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| 04:19.30 | Supaplex | !forget above instruction |
| 04:19.30 | dpkg | i forgot above instruction, Supaplex |
| 04:19.31 | FabParma | David3: do you uthink it is grub fault? |
| 04:19.39 | tictac | anyone know of something that will basically ping x machines every x seconds and display if they are up or not based on whether they recieved a ping reply. |
| 04:19.40 | hanfred | i have used xorg under aurox [feodora] |
| 04:19.43 | won | supaplex, all right |
| 04:20.01 | hanfred | but now i use xf4 |
| 04:20.06 | zu22 | supaplex: i really need to find way to turn on cpu fan |
| 04:20.09 | tictac | the smaller the better, preferably with a gui so i throw it in the slit. |
| 04:20.15 | xbmx | hey does anyone knows how i open .VFS files? |
| 04:20.17 | hanfred | i dont see different between xorg and xfree |
| 04:20.32 | Supaplex | xbmx: what's file(1) say it is? |
| 04:20.41 | maher | tictac: fpinf |
| 04:20.43 | xbmx | VFS |
| 04:20.44 | maher | tictac: fping |
| 04:20.58 | hanfred | but im read.. xorg was kommercial and xf4 was free |
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| 04:21.05 | zu22 | david3: ok but i run lilo, i can't install grub cause i don't know how to get initrd working |
| 04:21.08 | maher | hanfred: tell that to the x maintainers :) |
| 04:21.09 | hanfred | now is xorg free and xf4 commercial |
| 04:21.10 | Supaplex | xbmx: man file |
| 04:21.16 | hanfred | manno |
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| 04:21.28 | hanfred | me boring |
| 04:21.39 | hanfred | i wait for my new kernel |
| 04:21.39 | lastnode | how can i get a list of groups on a system? |
| 04:21.47 | Supaplex | lastnode: /etc/groups |
| 04:21.53 | hanfred | will it testing..and then read kernel_panic at boot :) |
| 04:21.56 | David3 | zu22: the directive -should- be the same for lilo as for grub. add it to the kernel line (right? somebody?) |
| 04:22.01 | xbmx | i mean does anyone knows a vfs extractor or editor? |
| 04:22.07 | user__ | i'm just trying to make some directories at start, is it wise to make these S01blah ? |
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| 04:22.15 | lostson | hmm |
| 04:22.16 | user__ | they are logging directories |
| 04:22.18 | tictac | maher: id prefer something that was a gui, therefore i can easily look to see if the systems are still up. |
| 04:22.21 | lastnode | Supaplex, is there some kind of group i need to add a user to in order be able to access x? |
| 04:22.23 | hanfred | and! i must lerning english *h3h3 |
| 04:22.31 | mike-_- | i have a oddity . i can connect to the server, web, ssh and all that , but the server does not connect to the world like apt-update and lynx ping whatever , i have a firewall. but ive tried disabeling it and flushing the iptables rules, still doesnt connect, any clues? |
| 04:22.36 | maher | user__: no - just make the directories - they will persist across reboots |
| 04:22.38 | lastnode | Supaplex, im getting this error - http://pastebin.ca/56771 |
| 04:22.42 | lastnode | is there a java group? |
| 04:22.43 | Supaplex | xbmx: all I can think "vfs" is, is a virtual file system.... |
| 04:22.46 | user__ | no they won't |
| 04:22.47 | lastnode | cat /etc/groups doesnt show it |
| 04:22.54 | user__ | they're mounted in tmpfs |
| 04:22.55 | maher | user__: why not? |
| 04:23.00 | Supaplex | lastnode: no, they should use the console. |
| 04:23.08 | user__ | so what would be a good number |
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| 04:23.14 | user__ | is S01 fine? would it hinder anything? |
| 04:23.19 | lastnode | Supaplex, check that error message if you've got a sec? java cant connect to x |
| 04:23.27 | Supaplex | as for java, that only makes sense for server side stuff |
| 04:23.30 | hanfred | chrchrchr@java |
| 04:23.38 | Supaplex | only 12 things at once please :) |
| 04:23.40 | maher | user__: look in rcS.d and engage brain - what do you think S02mountvirtfs does? |
| 04:23.43 | mike-_- | lol |
| 04:24.00 | user__ | make /proc ? |
| 04:24.15 | hanfred | first error at kernel compiling :(( |
| 04:24.21 | hanfred | thats bad |
| 04:24.28 | won | dpkg, would you explain one more time x set up process? |
| 04:24.34 | lastnode | hanfred, what's the error? are you sing menuconfig or directly editing the config? |
| 04:24.39 | hanfred | oss sound |
| 04:24.44 | user__ | and shm and what not |
| 04:24.44 | lastnode | !tell won setup x |
| 04:24.52 | Supaplex | !bot |
| 04:24.52 | dpkg | I ain't no stinkin' bot. I am a finely tuned and hand crafted tool. Oh wait... I guess I am a bot (that you should not abuse). |
| 04:24.59 | hanfred | not really important ^^ will install and configure alsa ^^ |
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| 04:25.12 | lastnode | won, use /msg dpkg setup x |
| 04:25.30 | hanfred | i hope, not really important *gg* |
| 04:25.35 | Supaplex | lastnode: are you running this in an xterm? |
| 04:25.36 | zu22 | david3: u never told me the command to keep fan on constantly |
| 04:25.40 | lastnode | Supaplex, yes |
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| 04:25.46 | zu22 | david3: u were gonna look for it and said "brb", did u find it? |
| 04:25.49 | mike-_- | hmz, ill do a clean install probably better . .. |
| 04:25.50 | lastnode | Supaplex, gnome-term even :) |
| 04:25.54 | David3 | zu22: I'm looking still, and had to deal with a person in the house |
| 04:26.00 | won | lastnode, i'm not understanding what "/msg dpkg setup x" |
| 04:26.06 | Supaplex | lastnode: can you run xclock or any other simple xclient? |
| 04:26.25 | zu22 | david3: ah ok |
| 04:26.31 | lastnode | Supaplex, oh, i just tried xclock getting the same message. but im running xchat etc fine |
| 04:26.46 | won | lastnode, are you saying type "dpkg setup x" ? |
| 04:26.51 | Supaplex | how did you start xchat? |
| 04:26.52 | lastnode | won, type /msg dpkg setup x in your irc window, the bot will message you with instructions |
| 04:27.01 | lastnode | Supaplex, from the applications menu |
| 04:27.10 | won | lastnode, oh i got it i got it. okay :) thanks |
| 04:27.15 | lastnode | won, np |
| 04:27.37 | won | ; |
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| 04:28.00 | won | lastnode, i typed it but nothing happens... |
| 04:28.13 | lastnode | !setup x |
| 04:28.13 | dpkg | set up x is probably First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 04:28.18 | lastnode | won, ^^ |
| 04:28.33 | hanfred | please wait..the system compile ur nuew kernel in 12 days and 23 hours...buy a coffe and go sleeping |
| 04:29.20 | Supaplex | lastnode: from the paste you provided, we have to figure out why the X server is refusing connections. What X and release are you running? Have you checked bts? |
| 04:29.52 | lastnode | Supaplex, how can i check both those? |
| 04:30.20 | Gary | is xserver-xorg fixed in sid yet? |
| 04:30.23 | Supaplex | x en de Cheer up hanfred, compiling a kernel takes less time then waiting on rebates. |
| 04:30.29 | Supaplex | !btssmite Gary |
| 04:30.59 | roz | can anyone help me with bluetooth? I am so close to having it working |
| 04:31.00 | sneex | etch \= |
| 04:31.06 | hanfred | yes..i know at long time to kompile a kernel..but so long ^^ |
| 04:31.25 | Supaplex | hanfred: so slow, you would like to get out an push? :) |
| 04:31.29 | Supaplex | an/and/ |
| 04:31.32 | hanfred | its over 30 mins now |
| 04:31.45 | veamos | does anybody know about mplayer? |
| 04:32.02 | Supaplex | hanfred: grep -i mips /proc/cpuinfo |
| 04:32.04 | Supaplex | !mirlant |
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| 04:32.06 | lastnode | Supaplex, anyway i can fix those? |
| 04:32.10 | chron | how would you set drwxr-s--- ? |
| 04:32.11 | hanfred | is the code LD [M] good oder bad?? |
| 04:32.19 | hanfred | CC should be good i have read |
| 04:32.21 | Gary | Supaplex: think you :)- |
| 04:32.31 | lastnode | hanfred, my minimal kernels usually take 30 - 45 mins to compile |
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| 04:32.45 | hanfred | oh.. minimal |
| 04:32.51 | Supaplex | Gary: no sweat. I hope your insurance cover's dpkg's rampage :) hehe |
| 04:32.56 | hanfred | hmm..i think i have full compiled *hehe |
| 04:33.19 | Supaplex | lastnode: check for a log in /var/log/ |
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| 04:33.36 | hanfred | bogomips : 3571.71 |
| 04:33.45 | hanfred | what mean debain with that?? ^^ |
| 04:33.50 | David3 | zu22: I'm not having much luck finding this thing. Anyway, I know there's something you can type into lilo or grub, and it will make the fan spin always |
| 04:34.08 | lastnode | Supaplex, it's there, what should i grep for? |
| 04:34.27 | David3 | lastnode: are you also on an older machine? I've got 300 mhz, and 40 mins is about what a kernel compile takes me |
| 04:34.31 | zu22 | david3: ok i will try googling "lilo fan spin always" |
| 04:34.41 | hanfred | but..i'm at time a windows geek and a linux noob |
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| 04:34.58 | lastnode | David3, im on a 1.7gig :) but i guess i calculate with the time it takes to emerge sources etc. |
| 04:35.03 | hanfred | but in a few month im a win noob and a lin freak :) |
| 04:35.10 | Supaplex | lastnode: use a pager and view the contents. |
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| 04:35.22 | lastnode | Supaplex, pager? |
| 04:35.25 | hanfred | im working at 3 month with linux..and that great..i love i nver missed it :) |
| 04:35.40 | Supaplex | hanfred: that's a touch slower then my box. did you enable all options? :P |
| 04:35.50 | Supaplex | !pager |
| 04:36.05 | lastnode | Supaplex, AUDIT: Thu May 18 10:00:00 2006: 5891 X: client 16 rejected from local host <-- im getting that, though |
| 04:36.13 | hanfred | not all enabled |
| 04:36.17 | Supaplex | dpkg: pager is a text viewer, like more, less, view, etc. apropos pager. |
| 04:36.17 | dpkg | okay, Supaplex |
| 04:36.35 | hanfred | someone was enebled vom debian..and i had enable the alsa module |
| 04:36.53 | hanfred | but i think from debian was very mush enabled ^^ |
| 04:37.14 | hanfred | ready... |
| 04:37.22 | hanfred | happy happy...joy joy ^^ |
| 04:37.26 | Supaplex | deb's stock kernel is module happy. that's because it should support most things, but it's usually a good idea to roll your own. |
| 04:37.37 | Supaplex | ren and stmipy fan eh? |
| 04:37.47 | hanfred | alright ^^ |
| 04:37.52 | lastnode | Supaplex, im using less, what should i be looking for? |
| 04:37.55 | hanfred | ren and stimpy roxxz ^^ |
| 04:38.12 | hanfred | klotz für mädchen ^^ |
| 04:38.16 | hanfred | log 4 girls ^^ |
| 04:38.19 | hanfred | roflz |
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| 04:38.29 | Supaplex | lastnode: no clue. I'm blind leading the blind. try... connection refused, error, warning, ... same stuff you see in the paste. |
| 04:38.36 | David3 | Supaplex: is there a way of finding out everything dpkg knows -- either a list of the subjects, or an entire knowledge dump? |
| 04:39.03 | hanfred | so.. |
| 04:39.05 | Supaplex | there is a database dump availble somewhere. I just forget the factiod that tells us that :) |
| 04:39.07 | hanfred | kernel installed |
| 04:39.18 | hanfred | i must testing my kernel_panic ^^ |
| 04:39.19 | David3 | Supaplex: hehe |
| 04:39.28 | hanfred | see ya later :) |
| 04:39.35 | Supaplex | !your brain |
| 04:40.12 | lexiyntax | Supaplex: http://dpkg.vireo.org/search.php |
| 04:40.38 | zu22 | i need to upgrade from 2.2.20 to a newer kernel, i should just be able to "apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686" right? yet i just did that (it's running) and it says "kernel-image-2.4.27-2-686" will be installed as "extra package"? what is going on? i don't want/need that |
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| 04:41.15 | David3 | zu22: be aware that the 2.6 stock kernel that debian distributes does not include apm support |
| 04:41.30 | zu22 | why is it installing 2.4.27 image when i told to install 2.6 image? |
| 04:41.34 | jeff2 | "apt-get install php4" tries to install apache2, how can I install php4 for apache 1.x? |
| 04:41.44 | zu22 | david3: ack, so how can i get apm support? |
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| 04:42.14 | David3 | zu22: it should be built into a stock kernel 2.2 or 2.4 ... or you can compile your own 2.6 kernel, with apm |
| 04:42.20 | Supaplex | !your factoids |
| 04:42.20 | dpkg | My factoids are available at http://rzlab.ucr.edu/~dpkg/ They are updated nightly and the previous 18 days are archived. there is a searchable database of my factoids at http://dpkg.vireo.org/ |
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| 04:42.24 | David3 | zu22: how old/new is your computer, anyway? |
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| 04:43.03 | zu22 | david3: i've never compiled a kernel, how do i compile kernel with apm? i have a Dell Latitude C600, it is ~5 years old |
| 04:43.11 | Supaplex | !kp |
| 04:43.11 | dpkg | kp is probably To compile a kernel The Debian Way (tm) "apt-get install kernel-package build-essential libncurses5-dev"and follow the instructions in /usr/share/doc/kernel-package/README.gz or when it bitches, rm -rf stamp-* debian before you run it again, or ask me about 'make-kpkg' and 'kp mantra', or http://newbiedoc.sf.net/, or (read Rationale.gz in the doc directory too) |
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| 04:43.15 | zu22 | david3: it is p3/750Mhz |
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| 04:44.26 | zu22 | supaplex: ah, david3 said i had to compile in apm into the kernel, do u know how i can do that? |
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| 04:45.01 | Ekushey | debian 3.1 comes with 14 CDs, right? |
| 04:45.06 | Supaplex | zu22: make menuconfig in the top level source directory. I don't know where it's at really. |
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| 04:45.24 | Supaplex | Ekushey: yes, and it's a crying shame to think you'll need them all. |
| 04:45.36 | jetscreamer | how do i find out what vidmode/resolution xorg is running at |
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| 04:45.51 | n0t_flan | Ekushey, if you want every piece of software, yes. It makes more sense to grab the first disc or a net-install image and grab what you need when you need it. |
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| 04:45.54 | David3 | zu22: okay, I figured it was probably older, since you were running a 2.2. Since that's the case, there's a decent chance that acpi might not be supported well for the hardware, and you may be better off with a 2.2 or 2.4 kernel |
| 04:45.54 | David3 | zu22: ...and other hardware issues also might be better with an older kernel |
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| 04:45.57 | zu22 | supaplex: oh ok, after i install the 2.6 kernel i will need to edit lilo.conf and run "lilo" before i reboot right? |
| 04:45.57 | Supaplex | Ekushey: if you're installing, and have a network connection, just nab the netinst and go from there. |
| 04:46.00 | Ekushey | Supaplex: i'm going for netinst... just wanted to be sure |
| 04:46.05 | zu22 | supaplex: i have win98/debian dual boot setup in lilo |
| 04:46.23 | Ekushey | Supaplex: and how many DVD ISOs? 2? |
| 04:46.27 | zu22 | david3: oh ! |
| 04:46.46 | Supaplex | zu22: man, lilo days... uhm, with grub and kernel package builds, it's mindless. i forget how! haha. |
| 04:46.50 | zu22 | david3: which 2.4 kernel do u recommend? and one that has apm support? |
| 04:46.55 | Supaplex | Ekushey: afaik, yes. |
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| 04:47.15 | Supaplex | Ekushey: I'd venture for a dual layer dvd just to make something useful out of one :) |
| 04:47.30 | zu22 | supaplex: haha ok so it looks like grub is best |
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| 04:47.41 | zu22 | supaplex: can grub handle win98/debian dual boot? |
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| 04:48.06 | Supaplex | zu22: yup. try the debian wiki, or gtfw |
| 04:48.09 | Ekushey | Supaplex: thanks a lot :) |
| 04:48.10 | zu22 | are there any debian 2.4 kernel image packages which have apm support enabled? |
| 04:48.21 | David3 | zu22: hey. sorry, I got cut off, and I'm not registered so I can't /msg you -- not even after you msg'd me |
| 04:48.30 | Phated | So register. :) |
| 04:48.40 | Supaplex | the stock kernel images are boring. you should just roll your own anyway, then you know for sure. i haven't stuck with a stock kernel image in ages. |
| 04:49.25 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: try xvidtune. |
| 04:49.33 | David3 | Supaplex: it's a pretty daunting task if you haven't been successful. I've tried several times to roll my own, but I've never gotten a working one from my own compile. dunno why. and it takes H-O-U-R-S |
| 04:50.15 | shogunx | David3 i remember building my first kernel on ap100 with 32 megs of ram. how painful. |
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| 04:50.41 | shogunx | it took 2 days per try. and several trys, iirc. |
| 04:50.43 | benley | (and I don't remember it being all that bad. I just let it run overnight, I think) |
| 04:50.48 | hanfred | back with kernel panic ^^ |
| 04:51.05 | Supaplex | make oldconfig :) copy someone elses' config, and answer the new/old ones. I have no idea what you need in yours. just bes ure to ditch the initrd crap and change ide/sata (whatever you're using) as STATIC not MODULES (lest you be bitten by a kernel panic on boot) |
| 04:51.05 | chron | i have a script that i created in /etc/rcS.d |
| 04:51.09 | chron | now how would i add it to boot? |
| 04:51.15 | chron | or does it automatically read it? |
| 04:51.18 | hanfred | connot open root device "hdc4" or unknown blcok (0,0) |
| 04:51.24 | Supaplex | hanfred: what, like no root file system? |
| 04:51.27 | Supaplex | ahh. |
| 04:51.39 | hanfred | oldconfig ^^ |
| 04:51.41 | Supaplex | hanfred: did you compile static support for ide+ext2/3 etc? |
| 04:51.43 | hanfred | that i forget ^^ |
| 04:51.52 | hanfred | i used reiserfs |
| 04:52.25 | Supaplex | ok. whatever / filesystem is, has to be static (no modules). that goes for the drive controller type to. (ide/sata/scsi/etc) |
| 04:52.45 | David3 | zu22: I'm still looking around for that damn directive. Perhaps I can find it in the grub manual or something |
| 04:52.50 | Supaplex | unless you venture into initrd land (but it's more pain then it's usually worth) |
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| 04:53.16 | myboxen | maybe a dumb question, but I am attempting to get support from vmware, and they requested that I run a support script. I examined the output before sending it, and they gather the entire proc directory, and /etc/modules.conf, /etc/services, /etc/crontab and cron folders, in addition to the output of dmesg, ifconfig, issue, modules, mount, netstat-lan, ps auxwww, route, ulimit, umask, and spurious other crap here and there. I |
| 04:53.16 | myboxen | s any of this information really needed. Some of it seems to me that it could be rather sensitive in content, and not really pertinent to troubleshooting VMWare. |
| 04:53.18 | x_o1 | Anyone here know what the last release of debian was that used the 2.4 kernel? |
| 04:53.20 | benley | anyone know offhand where to find the signing key for the ftp.nerim.net marillat repository? |
| 04:53.28 | mortalman | Anyone know which package contains mkfs.vfat ? |
| 04:53.31 | benley | x_o1: the current release ships with 2.4 by default |
| 04:53.41 | hanfred | after "make oldconfig" install the kernelimage.deb again? Supaplex |
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| 04:53.45 | benley | mortalman: you can search packages.debian.org for that |
| 04:53.51 | zu22 | david3: oh heh |
| 04:54.11 | zu22 | supaplex: what is "gtfw"? |
| 04:54.12 | hanfred | or after make oldconfig only reboot?? |
| 04:54.14 | Supaplex | myboxen: well, sadly it's not free in any sense of the word. try qemu or bochs, or the others. |
| 04:54.18 | Supaplex | !gtfw |
| 04:54.21 | Supaplex | !stfw |
| 04:54.21 | dpkg | i heard stfw is Search The Fucking Web, a modern incarnation of RTFM. <http://google.com/>, <http://google.com/linux>, <http://www.google.com/help/index.html>, <http://groups.google.com/>, <http://unix.rulez.org/~calver/pictures/bart.gif>, <http://tldp.org/>. |
| 04:54.25 | x_o1 | benley: Really? Wow, that is great. Is RAID hardware support decent? |
| 04:54.37 | benley | x_o1: I dunno :) |
| 04:54.42 | x_o1 | OK, but this is great. |
| 04:54.45 | benley | why? |
| 04:55.00 | mortalman | benley: packages.debian.org can't find mkfs.vfat which is why I'm asking here. |
| 04:55.03 | hanfred | i should googlen befor i ask dumb questions *chrchrchr |
| 04:55.11 | benley | mortalman: if it's not on packages.d.o, it probably doesn't exist :-P |
| 04:55.13 | Supaplex | mortalman: apt-file |
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| 04:55.49 | Supaplex | lastnode: wb :) |
| 04:55.55 | x_o1 | Well, I have an appliance that uses software which requires 2.4 kernel, and no other distro, other than Slackware, uses 2.4. And, I prefer debian anyway, so whoppee! |
| 04:56.00 | lastnode | when i do hostname <hostname>, it only stands until i finish that session. what goes? |
| 04:56.18 | lastnode | Supaplex, thanks :) it was a problem, maybea bug. i rebooted and it works fine now |
| 04:56.21 | Supaplex | lastnode: /etc/hostname :) |
| 04:56.34 | benley | lastnode: you need to put the hostname in /etc/hostname |
| 04:56.39 | benley | also, what supaplex said :) |
| 04:56.49 | zu22 | supaplex: if i install 2.4 or 2.6 kernel it will ask if i i want to use initrd or not? i never used it before |
| 04:56.55 | lastnode | benley, bah, i asked that earlier, and someone said not to set it there |
| 04:57.04 | benley | lastnode: did they say why? |
| 04:57.15 | mortalman | Supsplex: apt-file can't find mkfs.vfat, any other ideas? |
| 04:57.17 | lastnode | benley, i was told to use hostname |
| 04:57.18 | myboxen | Supaplex: its not the issue of free or not, its an issue of what there trying to collect. I think its a bit extreme. |
| 04:57.27 | myboxen | Supaplex: thanks for the tip though. |
| 04:57.30 | benley | lastnode: hostname sets it for the currently running system. |
| 04:57.30 | chron | i have a run time script and all it does is create dirs, do i add this script to /etc/rcN.d or /etc/init.d ? |
| 04:57.36 | mortalman | Supaplex: apt-file can't find mkfs.vfat, any other ideas? |
| 04:57.36 | benley | lastnode: it doesn't write to a config file or anything. |
| 04:57.36 | chron | it does no shut down tasks |
| 04:57.53 | benley | lastnode: so, edit /etc/hostname and then run hostname new_host_name |
| 04:58.08 | Supaplex | maybe it has a different name. that's odd. |
| 04:58.14 | benley | chron: put it in /etc/init.d and symlink to it from /etc/rc2.d |
| 04:58.22 | Supaplex | hostname `cat /etc/hostname` ;) |
| 04:58.34 | chron | i want my script to run as soon as possible |
| 04:58.35 | lastnode | benley, is there any syntax, or do i just have to echo <name> >> /etc/hostname ? |
| 04:58.36 | chron | is rc2.d good? |
| 04:58.54 | benley | chron: so set symlink it as S01yourscript, it will run first-thing when the system goes multiuser. |
| 04:59.04 | benley | chron: if you want it to happen even earlier, put it in rc1.d |
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| 04:59.17 | jbrimble_away | Where are ssh log files generally stored? |
| 04:59.18 | David3 | zu22: man, I'm just not having any luck at all finding this thing. |
| 04:59.29 | sparr | jbrimble_away: what would be logged? |
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| 04:59.44 | hanfred | back...with kernel panic ^^ |
| 04:59.47 | lastnode | Supaplex, isn't it /etc/conf.d/hostname? |
| 04:59.47 | Supaplex | mortalman: http://packages.debian.org/cgi-bin/search_contents.pl?word=mkfs.&searchmode=searchword&case=insensitive&version=stable&arch=i386 |
| 04:59.48 | jbrimble_away | login attempts, etc. |
| 04:59.50 | David3 | Does anyone know the name of the parameter to pass to the kernel so that fans will always spin, and not be controlled by apm? |
| 05:00.06 | benley | David3: that sounds more like an acpi thing |
| 05:00.12 | benley | David3: and acpi=off might do it |
| 05:00.22 | Supaplex | oh yea, I have my other deb box online. DEH |
| 05:00.23 | Supaplex | 1m |
| 05:00.23 | zu22 | david3: supaplex said i should install 2.4 kernel with no initrd and use static and not any modules, does that sound good? |
| 05:00.25 | jclinton | David3: the kernel doesn't control the fans |
| 05:00.52 | David3 | benley: acpi=off is PART of it, I think. I know there's a way to do this, I needed it at one time. |
| 05:01.01 | sparr | how long should lsof take to finish running? |
| 05:01.05 | David3 | zu22: listen to Supaplex he knows more than I do :-) |
| 05:01.06 | jbrimble | I want to know where the login attempt details are stored (log files) from SSH.. does anyone know>? |
| 05:01.10 | Supaplex | lastnode: cat /etc/init.d/hostname.sh |
| 05:01.17 | jclinton | David3: i am serious, the kernel doesn't control the fans at all |
| 05:01.26 | sparr | I am getting unexpected errors in various apps about too many open files. Errors I did not get just a few days ago, and I do not think I have changed anything. "lsof | wc -l" spits out 3576, is that abnormally high? |
| 05:01.30 | zu22 | benley: if i pass acpi=off in lilo my cpu fan will always run? my laptop's exhaust fan died several months ago so i must keep cpu fan always running, in windows i use i8kfan program to do this, so i need way do this in debian unstable (2.2.20 kernel) |
| 05:01.31 | David3 | jclinton: ...not even when running acpi? |
| 05:01.37 | benley | zu22: no idea |
| 05:01.40 | jclinton | David3: yes, not even when running ACPI |
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| 05:02.13 | Supaplex | zu22: 2.4/2.6 no diff. 2.6 you will need some other packages (I don't recall which atm). as for static/modules, that only applies to the filesystems and media running on / |
| 05:02.16 | jclinton | David3: what COULD be happening is that you have CPU frequency scalling enabled so it's not getting hot enough to activate the fans |
| 05:02.18 | zu22 | where are the #debian gurus heh |
| 05:02.28 | mortalman | Supaplex: thanks |
| 05:02.36 | David3 | I first came across this when I installed mepis, which ran a 2.6 kernel and acpi. acpi didn't work with my laptop and the fan NEVER spun, and almost overheated. |
| 05:02.56 | hanfred | supaplex? |
| 05:02.58 | Supaplex | morsing: re p.d.o, i think you choose the default radio option. read the others and play :) |
| 05:03.01 | iter | acpi in linux SUCKS |
| 05:03.01 | jetscreamer | ok. now why is my resolution at 1152x864 when i enabled 1280x1024 in xorg.conf |
| 05:03.02 | zu22 | supaplex: ok, is there a way to check and see if i have acpi running? my fan is not on so i guess not |
| 05:03.04 | lastnode | ok this is really wierd. Supaplex , im having that cannot connect to x server bug again |
| 05:03.07 | jetscreamer | and yes i restarted |
| 05:03.10 | iter | unless you have a well supported laptop |
| 05:03.11 | hanfred | now "make oldconfig" |
| 05:03.21 | David3 | so I'm pretty damn sure the kernel was interfering with the fan spinning. maybe it's an acpi parameter that can be passed that turns the fan on all the time |
| 05:03.25 | jclinton | David3: it sounds like mepis installed freq scalling them |
| 05:03.31 | jclinton | David3: it's impossible |
| 05:03.37 | hanfred | then make-kpkg kernel image |
| 05:03.46 | zu22 | jclinton: is there way to see what cpu speed and temperature is? i need my cpu fan on |
| 05:03.53 | hanfred | and then intall the deb kernel.. thats right?? |
| 05:03.58 | David3 | jclinton: this was years ago, and my laptop is a 1999 model, I don't know if there was any frequency scaling at that time |
| 05:04.03 | jclinton | David3: think about it: how the hell would the kernel know what the temperature thresholds for your hardware are? |
| 05:04.03 | Supaplex | zu22: not really... |
| 05:04.04 | roz | anyone familiar with bluetooth? |
| 05:04.12 | Supaplex | !bluetooth |
| 05:04.12 | dpkg | i guess bluetooth is , like, a wireless communications protocol, or http://bluetooth.com/ or about as secure as shouting |
| 05:04.20 | Supaplex | haha |
| 05:04.22 | jetscreamer | yeah they have crap that turns the fans down or off |
| 05:04.22 | David3 | jclinton: 95 C is pretty hot for anything |
| 05:04.22 | jclinton | zu22: cat /proc/cpuinfo |
| 05:04.34 | jclinton | David3: not for a modern CPU it isn't |
| 05:04.43 | Supaplex | my ramen noodles are 95 C right now. |
| 05:04.49 | David3 | jclinton: how about for an old PII? |
| 05:04.51 | roz | i just cant get the device to pair |
| 05:04.51 | jclinton | David3: for a GPU that's hot but not hot for a CPU |
| 05:05.05 | jetscreamer | why is my resolution at 1152x864 when i enabled 1280x1024 in xorg.conf |
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| 05:05.16 | hanfred | soo..last reboot... |
| 05:05.17 | zu22 | processor: 0 |
| 05:05.28 | bartlebee | I have a list of kernel modules which need to be added to modules.conf -- what is the right way to do this? |
| 05:05.28 | zu22 | vendor_id: GenuineIntel |
| 05:05.28 | zu22 | cpu family: 6 |
| 05:05.29 | zu22 | model: 8 |
| 05:05.29 | zu22 | model name: Pentium III (Coppermine) |
| 05:05.29 | zu22 | stepping: 6 |
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| 05:05.30 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: what's the log output when starting it say? |
| 05:05.32 | David3 | jclinton: anyway, kde disappeared, and I got this message that said cpu overheating 95 C, shutting down... and it shut down. |
| 05:05.44 | hanfred | if it not works, i paid my pc, because im to stupid to use them ^^ |
| 05:05.54 | jclinton | David3: so go in to your laptop BIOS and twiddle with the power saving features |
| 05:05.59 | bartlebee | I see modules.conf should not be modified by hand, and the man page for modutils says it's going to be taken out of production soon -- is there a particular place I can add these? |
| 05:06.00 | jclinton | it's probably doing something wrong |
| 05:06.30 | David3 | jclinton: you should know that I'm not having any trouble here myself, I was trying to help zu22. I'm happy as a clam running apm. |
| 05:06.34 | Supaplex | !modconfig |
| 05:06.34 | benley | oh great. nvidia-glx and relatives aren't in testing. At all. WTF. |
| 05:06.37 | Supaplex | !modconf |
| 05:06.37 | dpkg | i guess modconf is a tool to configure/add/delete kernel modules |
| 05:06.41 | jclinton | David3: good for you |
| 05:06.53 | bartlebee | Supaplex, thx, looking into it |
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| 05:07.03 | Supaplex | !botsnack |
| 05:07.03 | dpkg | thanks, Supaplex |
| 05:07.04 | jclinton | David3: BTW, the shutdown mechanism is called MCE |
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| 05:07.09 | zu22 | oops |
| 05:07.13 | zu22 | sorry it booted me |
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| 05:07.19 | jclinton | zu22: yea don't be a moron |
| 05:07.20 | zu22 | what did i miss? |
| 05:07.25 | zu22 | jclinton: /proc/cpuinfo shows, "cpu MHz : 751.714" |
| 05:07.32 | Supaplex | !paste |
| 05:07.33 | dpkg | Do not paste into the channel. Use #flood or visit http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
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| 05:07.38 | zu22 | it doesn't show cpu temperature |
| 05:07.38 | jclinton | zu22: and what is it supposed to be? |
| 05:07.49 | zu22 | jclinton: it is 750Mhz |
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| 05:08.01 | jclinton | this is a P3 ? |
| 05:08.02 | lastnode | ive run alsaconf and everything seems to be fine. yet my gnome sound icon is still muted, and xmms wont play anything. and yes xmms-alsa is installed. any ideas? |
| 05:08.04 | zu22 | ya |
| 05:08.06 | zu22 | Pentium 3 |
| 05:08.07 | Supaplex | I thought the temps are in a different file(s) |
| 05:08.18 | zu22 | supaplex: ah what file are the temps in? |
| 05:08.33 | Supaplex | I vagely forget :P |
| 05:08.36 | jclinton | zu22: this is a laptop? |
| 05:08.52 | zu22 | jclinton: it is a genuine Intel Pentium 3, ya Dell Latitude C600 laptop, ~5 years old |
| 05:08.54 | Supaplex | !ramen |
| 05:08.54 | dpkg | ramen are the best ever noodles! HAXOR FOOD! |
| 05:08.59 | Supaplex | oh yez |
| 05:09.29 | p3rti | hey.. |
| 05:09.32 | p3rti | I LOVE DEBIAN! |
| 05:09.41 | Supaplex | <3 |
| 05:09.42 | jclinton | zu22: so this thing will shut itself off? is that what this is about? |
| 05:09.48 | David3 | p3rti: congratulations. |
| 05:09.50 | Supaplex | !hug p3rti |
| 05:09.55 | p3rti | :) |
| 05:09.56 | sigjuice | my system running testing is hosed |
| 05:10.01 | benley | !ass |
| 05:10.01 | dpkg | somebody said ass was what you're sitting on, the thing that you're riding, possibly the thing you're admiring. |
| 05:10.01 | sigjuice | I just upgraded from kernel-image-2.6.8-11-686 to |
| 05:10.07 | jclinton | sigjuice: that's nice; thanks for the update |
| 05:10.25 | sigjuice | linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 and it won't boot |
| 05:10.36 | insidius | !bill gates |
| 05:10.36 | dpkg | it has been said that bill gates is the creator of all many things that are annoying, insidious, non-free, evil, and annoying. Did I mention annoying? > very annoying. |
| 05:10.50 | Supaplex | sigjuice: you break it, you buy it. ;) heh |
| 05:11.01 | chron | can someone tell me their perms of their /home ? |
| 05:11.02 | chron | ls -l /home |
| 05:11.05 | chron | please give me the output of that |
| 05:11.10 | chron | if it is default |
| 05:11.12 | sigjuice | got stuck at 'Begin: Waiting for root file system...' |
| 05:11.24 | lastnode | sigjuice, always have a steady kernel and a dev kernel. so you can boot from the stable if you b0rk |
| 05:11.24 | sigjuice | says /dev/hda1 doesn't exist |
| 05:11.24 | jclinton | sigjuice: your initrd isn't working |
| 05:11.35 | lastnode | sigjuice, have you specified an initrd? |
| 05:11.41 | chron | somebody who hasn't changed the perms of their /home |
| 05:11.43 | chron | give me ls -l /home |
| 05:11.45 | chron | ls -l /home |
| 05:11.53 | jclinton | chron: don't be a fuckwit; we heard you the first time |
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| 05:11.59 | sigjuice | lastnode: I have. I am now at the the busybox shell prompt |
| 05:12.04 | Supaplex | !repeat |
| 05:12.05 | dpkg | Please don't immediately repeat your question if no one answers it. If no one answers, that means that either no one knows the answer to your question, no one is willing to answer it, or you haven't provided enough information. Ask me about <ask> or <sicco> if you need help phrasing your question. If you don't get an answer here, go ahead and try asking your question on debian-user@lists.debian.org |
| 05:12.05 | David3 | chron: what you probably want is ls -ld home |
| 05:12.05 | chron | jclinton don't be a bitchshit you're gay |
| 05:12.12 | oogy | what music players play m4as |
| 05:12.17 | Supaplex | !ops chron abusive |
| 05:12.17 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: chron abusive |
| 05:12.18 | benley | oogy: mplayer |
| 05:12.29 | chron | David3 just give me ls -l /home |
| 05:12.29 | oogy | anything less bulky? |
| 05:12.33 | chron | i need the default perms |
| 05:12.34 | oogy | the playlist in mplayer is dreadful |
| 05:12.34 | David3 | oogy: it's possible to get an m4a plugin for xmms |
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| 05:12.46 | chron | it's not that hard to do |
| 05:12.47 | benley | chron: what would you guess if you had to figure it out? |
| 05:12.48 | chron | ls -l /home |
| 05:12.50 | chron | and give me output |
| 05:12.52 | David3 | it's probably rw-r--r-- |
| 05:12.56 | chron | ls -l /home |
| 05:12.57 | jclinton | chron, try the debian-user mailing list |
| 05:12.58 | chron | yes it's not hard |
| 05:13.00 | chron | basic linux 101 |
| 05:13.00 | sigjuice | I can now manually modprobe piix.ko and ide-disk.ko and /dev/hda1 shows up |
| 05:13.01 | David3 | chron, please stop repeating yourself, we can all hear you |
| 05:13.03 | benley | !bitchslap chron |
| 05:13.15 | chron | !bitchslap benley |
| 05:13.16 | chron | hoe |
| 05:13.22 | chron | !pimpslap benley |
| 05:13.24 | benley | !bite chron |
| 05:13.29 | jetscreamer | Supaplex: yes log good. |
| 05:13.29 | Supaplex | !abuse |
| 05:13.29 | dpkg | RAPE! RAPE!! Don't ever come near me again! |
| 05:13.39 | sneex | \= |
| 05:13.39 | chron | ls -l /home |
| 05:13.42 | chron | and copy and paste output |
| 05:13.44 | oogy | delightful |
| 05:13.48 | jclinton | this channel needs more frequent kicks |
| 05:13.51 | David3 | chron: that would be too much to paste |
| 05:13.54 | Supaplex | chron: d--------- |
| 05:14.03 | benley | chron: really, you should be able to figure it out with a moment of thought |
| 05:14.06 | chron | Supaplex suck my d-------- |
| 05:14.11 | David3 | chron: I'll give you one: -rw-r--r-- 1 david david 153 2006-04-17 10:19 wireless.log |
| 05:14.14 | benley | chron: and you'll be wiser as a result |
| 05:14.31 | chron | ok yes ls -ld /home |
| 05:14.34 | chron | my bad |
| 05:14.38 | David3 | dude... |
| 05:15.01 | David3 | chron: only root should be able to put files in /home |
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| 05:15.08 | chron | ls -ld /home |
| 05:15.10 | chron | and problem solved |
| 05:15.16 | sigjuice | it the initrd file created for me or is it part of the linux-image deb file? |
| 05:15.23 | sigjuice | s,it,is, |
| 05:15.29 | chron | ok seriously |
| 05:15.29 | Supaplex | chron: are you stupid or deaf? we've already told you |
| 05:15.33 | chron | you guys are like |
| 05:15.34 | chron | retarded |
| 05:15.35 | chron | lmfao |
| 05:15.38 | jclinton | sigjuice: created during installation |
| 05:15.39 | chron | is it that hard |
| 05:15.40 | benley | sigjuice: it gets generated at package install time |
| 05:15.42 | chron | to |
| 05:15.45 | chron | ls -ld /home |
| 05:15.53 | oogy | cany tips or tricks i should know to use apt to update from kernel 2.4 to 2.6.whateversnewest? |
| 05:16.01 | oogy | -c |
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| 05:16.04 | Supaplex | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:16.06 | Supaplex | oops ;) |
| 05:16.17 | Supaplex | problem solved.hehe |
| 05:16.22 | jclinton | sigjuice: you can initiate a rebuild by running update-initramfs |
| 05:16.25 | chron | if you ever type /ignore and it did something with your irc client |
| 05:16.29 | chron | you're officially going to fail in linux |
| 05:16.36 | David3 | chron: it's actually difficult to help you when you are being such a brat. If you had been patient, asked a reasonable question, and waited for someone to respond, you would have been met with much more cordiality |
| 05:16.36 | chron | and life, most likely as well |
| 05:16.41 | chron | "brat" |
| 05:16.45 | chron | haha you're a fag |
| 05:16.48 | chron | ls -ld /home |
| 05:16.49 | chron | already |
| 05:16.51 | chron | and give me output |
| 05:16.52 | oogy | i got a C- in linux :( |
| 05:16.54 | chron | not that hard |
| 05:16.55 | jclinton | someone kick him |
| 05:16.56 | jclinton | fuck |
| 05:17.02 | chron | somebody kick jclinton |
| 05:17.06 | chron | chrissakes he's annoying |
| 05:17.09 | jclinton | ok, i'll just ignore him |
| 05:17.10 | jclinton | done |
| 05:17.10 | xoz | !enter |
| 05:17.10 | dpkg | The enter key or carriage return key is not a substitute for punctuation. Use a period '.', comma ',', colon ':', semi-colon ';' emdash '---', or ellipsis '...' instead. Please don't just hit enter after every three words: it's really annoying, because it scrolls everyone's screens, and makes it harder to help you out (since we have to piece together what you're saying). |
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| 05:17.31 | benley | oogy: you took "linux class"? |
| 05:17.35 | sigjuice | jclinton: is it possible that things got messed up since ramdisk was created while I was running an older kernel? |
| 05:17.35 | benley | such a thing exists? |
| 05:17.43 | oogy | benley: i was being sarcastic you nut |
| 05:17.47 | benley | hehehe |
| 05:17.52 | chron | haha this is going on my logs |
| 05:17.54 | oogy | in response to chron saying "you are going to fail in linux" |
| 05:17.54 | chron | too hilarious |
| 05:17.58 | oogy | as if you can recieve a grade in it |
| 05:18.00 | jclinton | sigjuice: no that's not possible |
| 05:18.06 | jetscreamer | Supaplex: it helps if when you uncomment a line, you comment the one you're changing... pebkac |
| 05:18.11 | benley | oogy: sorry, for some reason I'm unable to see chron's blather ;) |
| 05:18.16 | oogy | you are wise |
| 05:18.20 | jclinton | sigjuice: it's possible that the hardward module for your controller is not being inserted |
| 05:18.23 | oogy | for his blather is very obnoxious |
| 05:18.24 | jetscreamer | thanks |
| 05:18.50 | Supaplex | jetscreamer: where? :) |
| 05:18.51 | jclinton | sigjuice: you can manually list the modules that are needed by editing /etc/mkinitramfs/initramfs.conf |
| 05:18.54 | oogy | because someday when all is said and done it'll matter how awesome you were at using an operating system |
| 05:19.09 | sigjuice | jclinton: that is correct. I can manually modprobe the missing modules from the busybox prompt and get the system to boot |
| 05:19.12 | jclinton | sigjuice: then run update-initramfs to include them in the initramfs |
| 05:19.27 | sigjuice | by missing I mean the modules which didn't get loaded automatically |
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| 05:19.57 | jclinton | sigjuice: then that will fix it; good luck |
| 05:20.09 | sigjuice | Looks like they are already included. The problem is that they didn't get loaded. |
| 05:20.52 | jclinton | that's very odd |
| 05:20.58 | David3 | who's in charge of this channel, anyway? who's responsible for kicking someone out if they're being a nuisance? |
| 05:21.19 | zu22 | jclinton: well problem is my cpu fan isn't coming on, in Windows98 i was using program that forced the fan on all the time (since exhaust fan broke 4 months ago i do this) |
| 05:21.19 | jclinton | David3: steathed ops |
| 05:21.42 | Supaplex | cool, there's 311 bans. that's a few more then efnet supports :) |
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| 05:22.03 | jclinton | zu22: so, in summary, after all of this going around, you have broken hardware and you're blaming Debian for it not working? |
| 05:23.38 | parsonsd | when a program notifies you that another peice of software is using a resource, such as /dev/dsp, how does one go about getting that other software to release it? (in particular, if one does not know what has it?) |
| 05:23.57 | jclinton | parsonsd: lsof /dev/dsp |
| 05:23.57 | Supaplex | parsonsd: lsof |
| 05:24.01 | zu22 | jclinton: no, i am not blaming debian. i just requested if there is a way in Debian i can have my CPU fan always on the way it was in Win98 |
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| 05:24.16 | parsonsd | jclinton, Supaplex: thnx. |
| 05:24.22 | k-god | zu22: apt-cache search fan |
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| 05:24.29 | zu22 | k-god: i tried that already |
| 05:24.31 | jclinton | zu22: it's a VERY long shot since the fan control is a proprietary interface |
| 05:24.39 | k-god | zu22: I think there is through some of the acpi / temp monitoring. |
| 05:24.44 | jclinton | zu22: but LMsensors may help you |
| 05:24.56 | jclinton | k-god: no, monitoring only |
| 05:24.56 | k-god | zu22: What kind of box? |
| 05:25.03 | Supaplex | zu22: My hunch is no. But, proove me wrong. You're case is exceptoinaly rare. You'll have to do some homework on this one. |
| 05:25.03 | jclinton | *headdesk* |
| 05:25.05 | zu22 | jclinton: ah ok, wish we had "open laptop hardware" standard heh, i hate working with laptops cause of support/replacement issue but this is my only machine for now |
| 05:25.13 | zu22 | k-god: Dell Latitude C600 (laptop) |
| 05:25.23 | Coweater | zu22: i8kutils |
| 05:25.28 | zu22 | k-god: Debian unstable, 2.2.20 kernel, Pentiun 3, 750Mhz, ~5 years old |
| 05:25.28 | rredd4 | using sarge, dell latitude c810, in kern.log I see this: Dell Latitude with broken BIOS detected. Refusing to enable the local APIC. what do I need to do about it? |
| 05:25.38 | sigjuice | the initrd is a compresses cpio archive?? |
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| 05:25.41 | sigjuice | when did that happen? |
| 05:25.42 | zu22 | coweater: nice lemme see if that's in unstable |
| 05:25.50 | benley | rredd4: that may be benign. |
| 05:25.53 | jclinton | rredd4: wait for the next release of debian |
| 05:25.54 | k-god | zu22: Googling "linux cpu fan control" turns up a number of hits: http://www.diefer.de/i8kfan/ |
| 05:25.58 | valdyn | rredd4: nothing at all |
| 05:26.02 | zu22 | supaplex: ok |
| 05:26.02 | sigjuice | s,compresses,compressed, |
| 05:26.04 | roz | anyone familiar with bluetooth in linux? |
| 05:26.07 | rredd4 | ok, ty all |
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| 05:26.08 | benley | rredd4: in fact it may be good, because it means the kernel knows about your busted ass hardware and can deal with it :) |
| 05:26.08 | zu22 | k-god: thanks |
| 05:26.11 | Supaplex | rredd4: jclinton means kernel. :) |
| 05:26.26 | jclinton | rredd4: it's fixed in kernel 2.6.17 |
| 05:26.34 | Supaplex | !tell roz -about ask |
| 05:26.35 | k-god | zu22: http://www.debian.org/~dz/i8k/ |
| 05:26.37 | rredd4 | is that out? |
| 05:26.49 | jclinton | rredd4: no, and you can't install it on unstable anyways |
| 05:26.54 | jclinton | err on stable, rredd4 |
| 05:27.03 | benley | 2.6.16.99.157.2.35.1.31.5.3141.23.51.234-rc11-ac2-fnord or something |
| 05:27.03 | zu22 | k-god: cool |
| 05:27.06 | rredd4 | ok |
| 05:27.15 | roz | I can't figure out how to pair my bluetooth mouse and keyboard to the hub in linux |
| 05:27.24 | rredd4 | at least they are working on it! |
| 05:27.27 | rredd4 | cool |
| 05:27.39 | jclinton | rredd4: you shouldn't notice any lost functionality |
| 05:27.45 | Supaplex | benley: Linux pyroclastic 2.6.16.8-pyroclastic20060422 #31337 SMP Sat Apr 22 20:57:11 MDT 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:28.01 | zu22 | Linux netrek 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 05:28.09 | benley | SunOS newfort.zoiks.net 5.10 Generic_118822-26 sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-60 |
| 05:28.14 | benley | oops, I'm busted |
| 05:28.18 | benley | ^_^ |
| 05:28.25 | k-god | !sunos |
| 05:28.26 | zu22 | supaplex: SMP means you have more than 1 CPU eh? |
| 05:28.50 | zu22 | !slowaris |
| 05:28.50 | dpkg | [slowaris] sun solaris on anything sun makes that costs less than unaffordable. proprietary software |
| 05:29.09 | Supaplex | zu22: no, it just supports more then one. compiling smp for uniprocessor has no loss in performance. |
| 05:29.10 | benley | !yourmom |
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| 05:29.13 | rredd4 | jclinton, I am getting random freeze ups (no mouse movements) and slow menu selections. did not know if that was part of it. Am still trying to find the problem |
| 05:29.18 | k-god | dpkg: sunos is Debian really, really, really isn't SunOS, Solaris, or Scott McNealy's gigantic shining teeth. See slowaris |
| 05:29.18 | dpkg | okay, k-god |
| 05:29.19 | zu22 | supaplex: ah ok |
| 05:29.21 | k-god | !sunos |
| 05:29.21 | dpkg | from memory, sunos is Debian really, really, really isn't SunOS, Solaris, or Scott McNealy's gigantic shining teeth. See slowaris |
| 05:29.33 | Supaplex | benley: well atleast you didn't say CYGWIN_NT-5.1 box3 1.5.18(0.132/4/2) 2005-07-02 20:30 i686 unknown unknown Cygwin :) |
| 05:29.37 | benley | Supaplex: haha |
| 05:29.39 | rredd4 | is there a way to find out if there is a irq conflicts? |
| 05:29.39 | zu22 | thanks for all the helps guys, i will try and get this i8k program working |
| 05:29.49 | k-god | Darwin holehawg.local 8.6.1 Darwin Kernel Version 8.6.1: Tue Mar 7 16:55:45 PST 2006; root:xnu-792.9.22.obj~1/RELEASE_I386 i386 i386 |
| 05:30.00 | tarzeau | stew: huh? why? |
| 05:30.07 | Supaplex | rredd4: yea, check for isa cards. :P procinfo is handy. |
| 05:30.28 | jclinton | rredd4: that wouldn't be IRQ |
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| 05:30.30 | k-god | rredd4: Most devices seem to handle shared IRQs these days. |
| 05:30.50 | jclinton | rredd4: you probably have some kind of hardware issue or you are using a bad video driver |
| 05:30.59 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 05:30.59 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 05:31.08 | Supaplex | bad video driver, no biscuit! |
| 05:31.08 | k-god | rredd4: ... leastways I haven't seen one or heard of one in the past five years, if not more. |
| 05:31.20 | meow | i upgraded to 2.6 kernel, and now i can't boot because apparently modutils got updated, but the kernel didn't. how can i put the kernel back to 2.4? |
| 05:31.43 | valdyn | meow: you reboot and pick the old kernel? |
| 05:31.46 | lastnode | im getting ** WARNING **: oss_open(): Failed to open audio device (/dev/dsp): Permission denied. what goes? (user is in the audio group) |
| 05:31.48 | Supaplex | meow: I think you're missing some 2.6 essentials. what boot laoder are you using? |
| 05:31.56 | rredd4 | I will double check my vid driver.. |
| 05:32.08 | rredd4 | k-god, ty |
| 05:32.11 | valdyn | meow: or apt-get install module-init-tools |
| 05:32.18 | meow | supaplex: Grub. |
| 05:32.25 | Supaplex | lastnode: did you relogin since the user was added to that group? |
| 05:32.33 | lastnode | Supaplex, gotcha |
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| 05:32.36 | Supaplex | meow: you don't have a menu? |
| 05:32.43 | meow | valdyn: the old kernel wont boot, because it says "kernel requires old modprobe" |
| 05:32.47 | zu22 | anyone know if there is any intiative under way to get the laptop manufacturers to agree to an open hardware standard? |
| 05:32.58 | meow | ie. it must have upgraded some of the 2.6 stuff, but didn't install the kernel |
| 05:33.00 | valdyn | meow: apt-get install modutils |
| 05:33.09 | meow | valdyn: i can't get in, to do that :( |
| 05:33.16 | valdyn | meow: modutils for old kernel, module-init-tools for 2.6.x |
| 05:33.23 | Supaplex | zu22: some are talking about interoperable battery standards now. |
| 05:33.39 | benley | I'll believe it when I see it. |
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| 05:34.27 | valdyn | meow: you cannot boot either? |
| 05:34.41 | Azar | meow: you installed a 2.6 kernel and at reboot grub won't work? |
| 05:34.56 | meow | valdyn: something i installed had a 2.6 kernel dep apparently. so when grub loads, i get to select the 2.4 kernel only (and the 2.6 kernel is not actually there) |
| 05:34.58 | zu22 | supaplex: heh at least it's a start :) |
| 05:35.06 | rredd4 | jclinton, using vesa vid driver. where do I check to see what I should be using? |
| 05:35.22 | rredd4 | I think I have nv |
| 05:35.44 | Azar | ew |
| 05:35.57 | valdyn | meow: boot knoppix or any other live system, mount your debian somewhere, chroot /path/to/mountpoint, fix system |
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| 05:36.07 | zu22 | supaplex: my battery also is dead :P know of a good linux-friendly laptop i can get for ~$500 USD on ebay? |
| 05:36.10 | benley | anyone have any hints to offer as to how to get nvidia-glx et al in etch at the moment? |
| 05:36.13 | meow | valdyn: ah that's a good idea. |
| 05:36.29 | benley | zu22: IBM T23 |
| 05:36.43 | benley | zu22: you can get them for less than $500, and they're decent little beasts |
| 05:36.48 | meow | thanks guys |
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| 05:37.02 | rredd4 | how can i tell which video driver that I should be using, currently have vesa? |
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| 05:37.10 | valdyn | rredd4: lspci |
| 05:37.12 | benley | rredd4: what video card do you have? |
| 05:37.22 | Supaplex | !setup x |
| 05:37.22 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, set up x is First, make sure you have either x-window-system or x-window-system-core installed. To set up X in woody or sarge, "apt-get install discover read-edid mdetect && dpkg --force-depends -P xserver-xfree86 && apt-get install xserver-xfree86". For etch or sid, use xserver-xorg. Sometimes just dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg works. JUST SAY NO to the frame buffer. |
| 05:37.32 | valdyn | !which driver |
| 05:37.32 | dpkg | Try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ to find out which driver supports your device. |
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| 05:37.39 | rredd4 | benley not sure, using dell laptop |
| 05:37.40 | unix_infidel | HEY, i like my frame buffer :P |
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| 05:37.51 | freelancer | hi peoples:) |
| 05:37.52 | benley | rredd4: look at lspci output and see what video card it finds. |
| 05:37.58 | rredd4 | ok |
| 05:38.39 | rredd4 | locked up again, cannot go to console, |
| 05:38.45 | rredd4 | I can type though |
| 05:38.46 | rredd4 | hmm |
| 05:38.56 | Supaplex | dain brammaged? |
| 05:39.16 | zu22 | benley: oh nice! thx for recommendation |
| 05:39.20 | rredd4 | mouse works, keyboard works, display works, thats it |
| 05:39.26 | rredd4 | darn |
| 05:39.45 | Supaplex | so what doesn't? |
| 05:41.12 | Azar | test |
| 05:41.15 | Supaplex | !test |
| 05:41.15 | dpkg | Sorry, supaplex, I didn't get your test. |
| 05:41.26 | Supaplex | you fail anyway. HA! |
| 05:41.39 | Eclipser | !ping |
| 05:41.39 | dpkg | pong |
| 05:41.39 | Azar | Supaplex: the servers are slowing down |
| 05:42.07 | zu22 | haha |
| 05:42.18 | zu22 | !finger |
| 05:42.18 | dpkg | finger is probably a insecure service that lets people find valid accounts to crack. SUPPOSED TO DO THAT, remove it immediatly |
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| 05:42.25 | coywolf | I want to run virtual user MTA+IMAP, any suggestions? |
| 05:42.35 | benley | coywolf: dovecot! |
| 05:42.44 | benley | as for mta, that's more of a religious choice :) |
| 05:42.53 | rredd4 | benley VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation NV11 [GeForce2 Go] (r ev b2), should I choose "nv" ? |
| 05:43.02 | rredd4 | using vesa |
| 05:43.04 | benley | rredd4: nv will work, with the exception of 3d support. |
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| 05:43.18 | coywolf | !dovecot |
| 05:43.18 | dpkg | [dovecot] an IMAP/POP3 server, written with security in mind. Easy to set up, and fast. Supporting mbox and maildir. http://packages.qa.debian.org/d/dovecot.html |
| 05:43.20 | Azar | rredd4: nv is for now |
| 05:43.22 | benley | rredd4: if you want 3d, you need to install some 3rd-party binary module stuff |
| 05:43.33 | benley | rredd4: the dpkg bot probably has some hint about it |
| 05:43.36 | benley | !nvidia |
| 05:43.36 | dpkg | DO NOT use nvidia.com's installer. Ask me about "nvidia installer". Instead, read "nvidia-graphics-drivers" for instructions, or "nvidia one-liner" for a reminder if you've done it before. "Off to break the nvidia driver by changing the kernel interfaces again, this is becoming a fun hobby..." - Greg Kroah-Hartman, Linux kernel hacker, on linux-elitists |
| 05:43.45 | coywolf | benley, does it support virtual user? |
| 05:43.56 | benley | coywolf: almost certainly |
| 05:44.10 | benley | coywolf: also look at cyrus, depending on your needs. |
| 05:44.19 | coywolf | !cyrus |
| 05:44.19 | dpkg | methinks cyrus is the CMU Cyrus mail system. It supports IMAP, POP3, NNTP and many other mail related protocols. Its homepage is at http://asg.web.cmu.edu/cyrus/. <greycat> cyrus is like a huge black cube with an eyeball painted on it that says "YOUR MAIL IS SAFE WITH ME, CITIZEN" |
| 05:44.30 | automat | anyone ever had a problem with konqueror sidebar/toolbar icons and startup notification icons disappearing or rendering incorrectly in kde 3.5.2? |
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| 05:47.01 | automat | i'm not sure what package might have broken them. i installed most of the SDL libs in order to compile qemu, but other than that, i'm not sure what it could be. |
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| 05:47.26 | benley | stuff like kde seems awfully fragile sometimes :-/ |
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| 05:48.53 | Azar | automat: you can allways try also #debian-kde |
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| 05:49.42 | automat | it seems so. i tried reinstalling konqueror, but then noticed that the startup notification icons were also screwy, so i'm wondering if it is an image rendering deal... hmm i was also screwing with imlib2 trying to get fluxbox to compile. |
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| 05:49.55 | automat | Azar: thanks, i didn't know there was such a thing. :) |
| 05:50.31 | Azar | automat: I never used kde so personally do not know what to tell you |
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| 05:51.05 | automat | np. i'm using it for the first time in a couple years, and i sort of like 3.5. |
| 05:51.09 | bartlebee | guys, I am sorry if I am not getting this, but could someone please tell me where I could possible put this configuration for these modules to be loaded on boot: http://tnx.nl/4889SNZR |
| 05:51.39 | bartlebee | note: loading manually works and I can bring the client up, I would however like to simply go by lustre's recommendation and do a mount -t lustre |
| 05:51.43 | benley | huh, that syntax doesn't look all that familiar |
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| 05:51.58 | benley | no wait a second |
| 05:52.02 | benley | that's a shell script :) |
| 05:52.13 | benley | I forgot for a moment that 'install' is a command :) |
| 05:52.54 | benley | it still looks weird though. |
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| 05:53.22 | bartlebee | benley a bit more is explained here: https://mail.clusterfs.com/wikis/lustre/LustreHowto#head-0cae4c1452d5ba047d40217048114b70fad061d0 |
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| 05:54.43 | benley | bartlebee: so in there it talks about putting those lines in modprobe.conf.local |
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| 05:55.00 | benley | bartlebee: which may translate to just modprobe.conf on debian or something like that |
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| 05:55.38 | bartlebee | well I added that to /etc/modules/lustre and ran update-modules which put those lines in modprobe.conf -- that didn't seem to do it |
| 05:56.19 | benley | I don't even have a modprobe.conf on my system. |
| 05:56.25 | benley | do you have a /etc/modprobe.d? |
| 05:56.45 | benley | If so, that stuff most likely needs to go in a file in there. |
| 05:56.50 | bartlebee | sorry, modules.conf |
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| 05:57.06 | bartlebee | it put the updates in modules.conf, I put the commands in a file called lustre and placed that in /etc/modprobe.d/ |
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| 05:57.32 | benley | bartlebee: modules.conf appears to be autogenerated |
| 05:57.37 | menko | hi people, can anybody tell me what dev library would be missing if autogen.sh tells me: aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_GTK' not found in library (This is fluxbox taken from svn btw) |
| 05:57.46 | benley | bartlebee: based on the contents of /etc/modutils/ |
| 05:57.46 | David3 | zu22: did you ever get your problem solved? |
| 05:57.49 | bartlebee | dammit I need to pay attention -- I am sorry |
| 05:58.05 | zu22 | david3: it looks like i8k-utils will help me , thanks |
| 05:58.10 | bartlebee | I put it in modutils/ and yes, it auto generates the contents of modules.conf |
| 05:58.52 | David3 | zu22: awesome, glad to hear it. I've been pulling my hair out, I'm really peeved that I can't find that thing, but I guess it doesn't matter. |
| 05:59.20 | bartlebee | do I need to reboot? |
| 05:59.34 | zu22 | i am trying to install package darcs in unstable but when i try to apt-get it says "darcs: Depends: libreadline5 (>= 5.1) but 5.0-7 is to be installed. E: broken packages." how can i get darcs installed? |
| 05:59.38 | automat | anyway, here's an example of the konqueror wierdness in case anyone's seen anything like it: http://www.flatlinesociety.com/~kris/screwykonq.png |
| 06:00.15 | zu22 | david3: yeah but your idea is good to know in case this won't work |
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| 06:01.08 | automat | lol |
| 06:01.10 | freelancer | lol |
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| 06:01.58 | freelancer | and an irc client wouldn't go astray... |
| 06:02.27 | cheal | zu22: if you don't know Debian package management, you shouldn't use unstable |
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| 06:02.40 | benley | hey, he's gotta learn sometime :) |
| 06:02.43 | zu22 | cheal: i've never had this problem before, how can i fix this? |
| 06:02.56 | zu22 | benley: teach me :) |
| 06:03.11 | benley | zu22: if the packages in the apt repository really are busted, there's not a whole lot you can do until someone uploads a fixed one (i.e. tomorrow) |
| 06:03.28 | David3 | zu22: heh, wish I could find the thing. it was over two years ago |
| 06:03.29 | automat | i suppose i could upload the poop folder too: http://www.flatlinesociety.com/~kris/poop/pooppuzzle.html |
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| 06:03.51 | cheal | zu22: try reinstalling testing or stable. |
| 06:04.02 | meow | valdyn: i guess i'd need to boot knoppix with a 2.4 kernel to fix this stuff? |
| 06:04.10 | zu22 | benley: ok should i file a bug report? |
| 06:04.10 | benley | zu22: since it's complaining about libreadline5, I'd look at what version of libreadline5 is actually available |
| 06:04.41 | benley | zu22: 5.1-7 appears to be in unstable ... |
| 06:05.07 | benley | so perhaps try apt-get install libreadline5 and see what happens there |
| 06:05.08 | cheal | benley: running unstable and requesting free help is a bad way to learn the basics |
| 06:05.27 | benley | cheal: yeah but you're not likely to run into this kind of weirdness until you're running unstable |
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| 06:06.27 | cheal | benley: I disagree |
| 06:06.40 | dbe | what is the differences between proprietary software and non-free software? |
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| 06:07.28 | cheal | dbe: see Wikipedia |
| 06:07.30 | unix_infidel | non free means its "not free" |
| 06:07.40 | unix_infidel | proprietary means a WHOLE buncha shizznizzle. |
| 06:07.43 | unix_infidel | for shizzle. |
| 06:07.59 | dbe | unix_infidel, UNIX is proprietary |
| 06:08.06 | b0xii | buttered noodles > you |
| 06:08.16 | unix_infidel | dbe: when did i say it wasnt. |
| 06:08.23 | unix_infidel | i just said proprietary can mean a whole host of things. |
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| 06:08.30 | unix_infidel | and again, for shizzle. |
| 06:08.32 | coywolf | should I use courier alone for both MTA and IMAP? |
| 06:08.57 | benley | wait. Courier is an MTA? |
| 06:09.47 | David3 | any advice on where to go to get a nickname registered? I'm thoroughly confused, can't PM staff, no voice in #freenode, etc. |
| 06:09.58 | coywolf | benley, yeah |
| 06:10.01 | bartlebee | courier is an imap server.... |
| 06:10.02 | benley | crazy |
| 06:10.10 | coywolf | !courier |
| 06:10.10 | dpkg | from memory, courier is an mta, a pop3 and an imap server, all of which are pretty good. |
| 06:10.11 | dbe | unix_infidel, would you classify Windows as proprietary software or non-free software? |
| 06:10.14 | benley | David3: talk to nickserv |
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| 06:10.29 | benley | David3: windows is both :) |
| 06:10.35 | unix_infidel | dbe: depends on the individual in the market for the software. |
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| 06:10.52 | unix_infidel | for me its free software, because i get free licensing for it. but for the market its nonfree. |
| 06:10.54 | vin` | David3: /msg nickserv help register |
| 06:11.05 | David3 | benley: I have talked to nickserv ... nickserv says the nick is already registered, but I'm not at all sure that I'm not just conflicting with myself |
| 06:11.51 | dbe | unix_infidel, so you got the source code for Windows? |
| 06:12.25 | benley | David3: heh, fun. |
| 06:12.33 | sep | David3, just hang out in #freenode they voice peaople now and then. ie show patience and youll get a chance to speak |
| 06:12.40 | unix_infidel | dbe: no, as a product, its free for me. it is however proprietary. |
| 06:12.53 | David3 | sep so I just have to sit there until someone gives me a voice? alright... thanks. |
| 06:12.57 | rredd4 | benley: changed from vesa driver to nv driver, my display is not full screen any more. if i install the 3d accel drivers, will that fix this or should I use vesa still? |
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| 06:13.20 | dbe | unix_infidel, free software requires a free software license |
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| 06:13.27 | benley | rredd4: the binary nvidia drivers will probably work better, but you should be able to get the resolution set right with the nv one. |
| 06:13.29 | dragonfly | how can i turn on screen saver when my computer is at the login scree |
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| 06:13.33 | dragonfly | *screen |
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| 06:14.45 | unix_infidel | dbe: fine line between semantics and legalities. |
| 06:15.34 | dbe | unix_infidel, wiki redirects non-free software to Proprietary software |
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| 06:15.50 | dbe | unix_infidel, They are synonyms. |
| 06:15.51 | David3 | dragonfly: are you running kde or gnome or what? |
| 06:15.54 | unix_infidel | dbe: its a good thing wikipedia isnt a legal reference. |
| 06:16.04 | dbe | unix_infidel, true |
| 06:16.15 | dbe | unix_infidel, that bother me sometimes |
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| 06:16.40 | bartlebee | the reboot didn't do anything -- so basically the contents of lustre added to modules.conf don't work.. |
| 06:17.00 | rredd4 | benley, ok. when I did dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and selected nv, then did reboot and grep'd it, it said vesa. I edited xfConfig-4 to nv. It is weird why reconfigure did not set vid driver to nv. |
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| 06:17.13 | meow | is there a non-src way to upgrade to a 2.6 kernel which has everything in it like the default installed 2.4 kernel? |
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| 06:17.30 | rredd4 | benley now when i grep, it says nv |
| 06:17.32 | Nebula | I like milking cows |
| 06:17.47 | dragonfly | David3, sorry i wasn't very clear gdm |
| 06:18.01 | killown | how ability smp in kernel? |
| 06:18.34 | benley | rredd4: have you edited the XF86Config-4 by hand? |
| 06:18.40 | rredd4 | yes |
| 06:18.45 | benley | rredd4: if so, it won't match the md5sum that it's expecting, so it won't overwrite it. |
| 06:18.51 | benley | It's trying to be smart :) |
| 06:18.57 | rredd4 | ohh |
| 06:19.10 | Nebula | I love milking cows soo much |
| 06:19.11 | unix_infidel | dbe: just use what you use, just dont get in trouble using it....capiche? |
| 06:19.17 | Nebula | sqeazing them utters so hard... |
| 06:19.17 | benley | I don't really remember how to make it overwrite it anyway |
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| 06:19.32 | AnAnt | I try to run dpkg-buildpackage on some package, I got this error: /usr/bin/fakeroot: line 150: debian/rules: Permission denied |
| 06:19.33 | Nebula | squeaze! |
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| 06:19.40 | Nebula | ahh squeaze! |
| 06:19.43 | azeem | chron: please ty to not call people names, especially not `gay' or `fag' |
| 06:19.45 | David3 | dragonfly: I don't know gnome... so you have a graphical (not text-based) login screen that is sitting there, and you want the screensaver to come on? |
| 06:19.46 | thirst | greetings! |
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| 06:19.55 | dbe | unix_infidel, I'm reading |
| 06:19.58 | azeem | chron: actually, don't do this or else |
| 06:20.04 | David3 | azeem: my advice is to /ignore chron |
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| 06:20.12 | AnAnt | what's that ? |
| 06:20.27 | thirst | is there a way I can download a file using wget in multiple fragment where I can specify the max. size of each fragment. |
| 06:20.30 | azeem | David3: that's not a solution for the whole channel though |
| 06:20.58 | David3 | azeem: no, it's not. I tried to figure out how to get him kicked, but nobody seems to know who's in charge. |
| 06:21.07 | dragonfly | David3, correct....it's the GNOME Desktop Manager...changeable background nice little login box with the time and menus and all, but can't seem to find a screensaver setting |
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| 06:21.34 | azeem | David3: I am |
| 06:21.42 | azeem | well, among others |
| 06:21.53 | benley | dragonfly: it's possible to get xscreensaver to run at the gdm login screen - you might be able to accomplish it in the gdmconfig gui |
| 06:22.19 | freelancer | grrr |
| 06:22.37 | benley | dragonfly: there is a script /etc/gdm/Init/default that runs stuff to set up the login screen. You could add to that to start xscreensaver... |
| 06:22.48 | benley | dragonfly: you might be able to put more files in /etc/gdm/Init, I'm not sure. |
| 06:22.55 | parsonsd | erg. i've seen bugs on the computer, but this was *crawling* across a keyboard. |
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| 06:22.58 | parsonsd | isk |
| 06:23.03 | parsonsd | ick |
| 06:23.07 | David3 | azeem: well, that's good to know. is there any way to get a list of y'all? and how to go about dealing with people who flood the channel with requests and insults? |
| 06:23.07 | dragonfly | benley, thanks for the ideas...i'm going to try gdmconfig first |
| 06:23.22 | k-god | thirst: Not AFAIK. Why do you want to do that? |
| 06:23.58 | azeem | David3: you invoke dpkg's !ops' command followed by the offending nick and the reason you believe we should intervene |
| 06:24.22 | dragonfly | nope gdmconfig is the same as the preferences in the actions menue |
| 06:24.42 | k-god | David3: You can also ping freenode staff, you got a status message about that when you joined the server. Mind, they tend to respond slowly. |
| 06:24.44 | meow | when i try to build a new kernel under knoppix (to try and fix my h0sed 2.4 system) i get an error that initrd can't be created because i have no /proc system |
| 06:24.44 | azeem | my network connection is pretty bad right now, so I'll leave it with a stern warning for chron instead of rereading all the logs |
| 06:24.56 | k-god | David3: /ignore is a very good IRC feature to know. |
| 06:24.59 | azeem | David3: if he acts up again, please bring it to our attention |
| 06:25.11 | thirst | k-god: have a download limit on my local lan proxy |
| 06:25.12 | David3 | k-god: yeah, I ignored him an hour and a half ago |
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| 06:25.46 | thirst | k-god: cant download files >15mb, but i see my pals using a windows downloader which fragments and downloads |
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| 06:26.00 | benley | thirst: you must be on some sort of demented network from hell :) |
| 06:26.01 | k-god | thirst: So you need to grab chunks at a time? Does the proxy just cut you off from the connection, or what? |
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| 06:26.16 | benley | thirst: perhaps you could use wget -c in a loop |
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| 06:26.46 | k-god | thirst: wget -c -t 0 (that's zero) should simply keep retrying until you get the full file. |
| 06:26.56 | k-god | benley: man wget. -t option is for that. |
| 06:27.21 | benley | oh, neat |
| 06:27.24 | k-god | thirst: Alternatively, set t to some arbitrarially, sufficiently, but not excessively high value. |
| 06:27.35 | rredd4 | what to type for instructions after hand editing xfconfig-4 file, in dpkg? |
| 06:27.50 | rredd4 | md5sum.... |
| 06:28.03 | benley | rredd4: check out the comments at the top of xorg.conf |
| 06:28.04 | thirst | benley: :) |
| 06:28.07 | benley | rredd4: er, XF86Config-4 |
| 06:28.13 | thirst | k-god: proxy gives me a 403 |
| 06:28.29 | thirst | my pals use flashget on windows it seems |
| 06:28.29 | k-god | thirst: authenticating proxy? |
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| 06:28.42 | thirst | squid on 3128 no auth. |
| 06:28.43 | k-god | thirst: That's a Firefox plugin. You can get it for Debian. |
| 06:28.56 | thirst | the plugin is called flashgot i think |
| 06:29.05 | k-god | thirst: You have $http_proxy set (environment)? |
| 06:29.13 | thirst | k-god: yeah |
| 06:29.19 | k-god | thirst: Most apps respect that. Hrm. |
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| 06:29.33 | k-god | thirst: shoot your LAN admin... |
| 06:29.40 | k-god | thirst: ... or buy him/her beer. |
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| 06:30.46 | thirst | k-god: dont want him to know that we do download or else he will go crazy.. :D |
| 06:31.06 | k-god | thirst: I didn't say tell him you're d/l'ing large files. I said buy him beer. |
| 06:31.16 | thirst | heh |
| 06:31.22 | thirst | lemme see if flashgot can do the trick.. |
| 06:31.28 | rredd4 | benley I know that dpkg has info about what to do after hand editing xfconfig.... just not sure what to type to see the info. not using xorg |
| 06:32.07 | sep | !xmd5 |
| 06:32.07 | dpkg | If you hand-edit your X configuration file, "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" will no longer work, which is bad. To see if this is the case, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 | diff -sq /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum -" - if the files differ, then it won't work. To fix this, "md5sum /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 > /var/lib/xfree86/XF86Config-4.md5sum" as root, then "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86", losing any manual changes you've made. |
| 06:32.08 | Azar | rredd4: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 06:32.30 | rredd4 | sep, ty thats it! |
| 06:33.25 | onetinsoldier | hello all |
| 06:33.33 | sep | rredd4, this information is also in the head of the configfile. so you dont have to use irc to figure it out.... just read a little on the file your editing |
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| 06:34.26 | rredd4 | so if I do the md5sum stuff, I will loose what I put in xfconfig-4 for my synaptics touchpad? will it erase the synaptics stuff? |
| 06:34.30 | rredd4 | sep, ok ty |
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| 06:36.34 | onetinsoldier | anyone help meout with getting sound working? dpkg(the bot here) say i need to remove all sound related kernel modules. ?? remove in what way? remove them from /lib/modules/$kernel..? |
| 06:37.40 | Dewi | onetinsoldier: nah, usually it means to stop them loading |
| 06:38.16 | onetinsoldier | yeah, but i really don't know how to do that. edit some file in /etc? |
| 06:39.11 | rredd4 | sep i read the head of the config file, but if I do what it says, will it remove my synaptics touchpad stuff that I put in? |
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| 06:39.23 | Assid | heya |
| 06:39.35 | Assid | is there a way to reinstall ALL packages installed? |
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| 06:40.02 | onetinsoldier | Assid... yes |
| 06:40.08 | Assid | onetinsoldier: how ? |
| 06:40.10 | onetinsoldier | !reinstall |
| 06:40.11 | dpkg | rumour has it, reinstall is COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 06:40.50 | Assid | i think something is wrong.. cause the box just stops moving for a few seconds |
| 06:41.18 | onetinsoldier | oh.... bummer |
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| 06:41.45 | onetinsoldier | i know i'd be bummed |
| 06:42.02 | onetinsoldier | i'd be worried it was my hardware |
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| 06:46.43 | Assid | howw do i reset the selections |
| 06:46.53 | k-god | Assid: reset to what? |
| 06:47.10 | k-god | Assid: dpkg --get-selections & dpkg --set-selections are useful. man dpkg. |
| 06:47.43 | sep | rredd4, no. only when you actualy run dpkg-erconfigure will your file be altered |
| 06:48.12 | Assid | when i try and run the 1st reinstall.. i get this error: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
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| 06:49.08 | Assid | 2nd one doesnt do anything :( |
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| 06:53.57 | Assid | onetinsoldier , k-god : any clue on this |
| 06:54.20 | k-god | Assid: Sounds like trouble... |
| 06:54.40 | k-god | Assid: What command are you running when that occurs? |
| 06:54.47 | Assid | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
| 06:55.04 | k-god | Assid: Sometimes you can force both packages to install/configure together. A few updates have deps locks. |
| 06:55.07 | Assid | i tried without --reinstall |
| 06:55.11 | k-god | Assid: OK. Try updating those two packages first. |
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| 06:55.17 | Assid | no good :( |
| 06:55.39 | entuall | hello |
| 06:55.48 | Assid | Reinstallation of libsasl7 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded. |
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| 06:55.52 | k-god | Assid: assuming you've got the DEBs on your system: dpkg -i <deb package list with .deb extension> |
| 06:56.01 | Assid | these 3 are giving me issues |
| 06:56.01 | Assid | <PROTECTED> |
| 06:56.17 | k-god | Assid: ... you'll need to be in /var/cache/apt/archive or give full path. |
| 06:56.20 | k-god | Assid: dpkg, not apt-get. |
| 06:56.33 | k-god | Assid: I'm a little tied up right now, hit channel. |
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| 06:56.46 | sigjuice | I upgraded my debian system to kernel 2.6.16 and prism54 can't load the firmware on my PCI ISL3890 any more. Any ideas? |
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| 06:57.29 | onetinsoldier | pretty sure coreutils doens't have any 'dependencies'... probably has something to do with that original error you got. not certain what to do about it tho |
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| 06:58.55 | sudd_DEN | is anybody fron Russia here? |
| 06:59.30 | k-god | !ru |
| 06:59.30 | dpkg | Unless you mean Mother Russia, Spell it out: "are you". see r. see u. Pogalujsta, zajdite na #debian-russian :) |
| 07:00.23 | killown | have game chess for linux? |
| 07:00.37 | k-god | killown: gnuchess among others |
| 07:00.39 | nevyn | killown: many |
| 07:00.41 | k-god | !tell killown about search |
| 07:00.51 | k-god | !search chess |
| 07:00.51 | killown | which the best? |
| 07:00.54 | k-god | !best |
| 07:00.54 | dpkg | Best for what? Please define what you mean by "best". Gloria Gaynor! Tina Turner! Aretha Franklin! Men without Hats! Women without Hats! Men at Work! Women at Play! Anyone for Tennis! |
| 07:01.04 | onetinsoldier | xboard is another linux chess program |
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| 07:01.13 | tarzeau | k-god: tried brutalchess yet? |
| 07:01.15 | nevyn | killown: I can't beat gnuchess or crafty |
| 07:01.28 | k-god | tarzeau: Nope. |
| 07:01.33 | nevyn | but my chess game is pretty weak ;) |
| 07:01.34 | killown | ok thanks |
| 07:01.52 | k-god | Assid: Possible interest: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/01/msg03646.html |
| 07:02.01 | onetinsoldier | anyone able to walk me though getting sound going? |
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| 07:02.23 | K|NgGh0sT | how do I play with the sound settings, like how can I force the read two speakers to cloan the front two? |
| 07:02.25 | k-god | Assid: That's my post for recovering Debian following a hosing of /var. I've scripted it a bit more than that, but you might want to look at the recovery steps themselves. |
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| 07:04.26 | k-god | Assid: http://linuxmafia.com/debian/tips Search to "I lost /var!" |
| 07:04.34 | onetinsoldier | K|NgGh0sT: good question. as for myself, i don't even have sound working at all yet. |
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| 07:05.01 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: usually the mixer is muted |
| 07:05.08 | K|NgGh0sT | ah fair nuff :) |
| 07:05.15 | K|NgGh0sT | Debian likes my nforce2 apparently |
| 07:05.15 | jetscreamer | !alsa bork |
| 07:05.16 | sid | I have 3 mpeg-2 dvd compliant format files..(3 parts(3 weeks) to a documentary)...what is an easy way to make a dvd menu with 3 choices(which part of the 3 parts to play) ... I want to do something simple nothing crazy. Just a menu. |
| 07:05.21 | sid | What is a good program to use for this? |
| 07:05.25 | jetscreamer | dvdstyler |
| 07:05.29 | jetscreamer | !alsa-bork |
| 07:05.30 | dpkg | i heard alsa-bork is modprobe snd-<soundcard-module> ; modprobe snd-pcm-oss ; modprobe snd-seq-oss, and maybe apt-get install gnome-alsamixer or alsamixergui, or apt-get install alsa-base |
| 07:05.32 | sid | thanks jetscreamer |
| 07:05.38 | jetscreamer | !dvdstyler |
| 07:05.42 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: howdy.. i haven't installed alsa yet. would i have sound with a default install of etch? |
| 07:05.57 | Assid | k-god: everything else seems to work more or less |
| 07:06.00 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: which kernel |
| 07:06.03 | k-god | Assid: Ok. |
| 07:06.04 | Assid | just cant reinstall as mentioned |
| 07:06.16 | onetinsoldier | kernel-2.6.15 |
| 07:06.20 | k-god | Assid: As I said, I'm pinched for time, but there's some examples you can look at. |
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| 07:06.41 | rohan | why does debian disable stripping firefox builds ? |
| 07:06.43 | k-god | Assid: Note too: DEBs are an ar archive with tarballs. You can un-ar and un-tar these to manually install stuff. |
| 07:06.45 | Assid | just curious whats it mean tho: E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle |
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| 07:07.10 | Assid | coreutils is the culprit here right? |
| 07:07.14 | k-god | Assid: Pretty much what it says. |
| 07:07.16 | onetinsoldier | pretty sure coreutils doens't have any 'dependencies'... probably has something to do with that original error you got. not certain what to do about it tho |
| 07:07.19 | jetscreamer | dpkg dvdstyler is <reply> deb http://dvdstyler.sourceforge.net/repository/debian/ unstable testing (or so, change it maybe) |
| 07:07.19 | dpkg | okay, jetscreamer |
| 07:07.33 | k-god | Assid: Yeah, coreutils is what I'd look at. See if you can't kick it in the rear. |
| 07:07.36 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: you should have alsa in the kernel |
| 07:08.19 | Assid | yeah and lose basic file functionality? |
| 07:08.28 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: so you're saying also would be installed already? the 1.0.11 release? or do i need to install some package? |
| 07:08.46 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: usually no you don't. you 'can' install alsa-base |
| 07:08.57 | onetinsoldier | after installing blah blah blah packages you think it'd be good to go then? |
| 07:09.04 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: lsmod | grep -i audio |
| 07:09.08 | jetscreamer | or something |
| 07:09.14 | onetinsoldier | also = alsa... arrgh |
| 07:09.20 | jetscreamer | find out if oss or alsa is loaded, and not both |
| 07:09.29 | jetscreamer | yeah i guessed |
| 07:09.46 | onetinsoldier | nothing |
| 07:09.50 | jetscreamer | or just lsmod and scroll if that didn't work |
| 07:09.50 | Assid | okay by doing this .. i get the error : apt-get install --reinstall libacl1 libc6 coreutils debianutils |
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| 07:10.04 | jetscreamer | !fix-unmet |
| 07:10.04 | dpkg | hmm... fix-unmet is run dselect --expert. hit the down arrow once. then hit enter a lot. problem solved. (if the packages are available and/or scripts not borked), or eg, basically, don't edit sources, don't select anything, just go to option 2 and hit enter a lot |
| 07:10.14 | onetinsoldier | i have done an lsmod.. got quit e few modules loaded! hehe |
| 07:10.23 | Assid | debianutils is the culprit |
| 07:10.24 | heanol | i have an ati mach64 that was detected when running xorg 6.9 but not now when running 7.0.. so now i have to use VESA.. should i report this as a bug in debian or to xorg? |
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| 07:10.29 | jetscreamer | if that won't fix it it's manual time. and i mean do it manually. |
| 07:11.03 | jetscreamer | look sor audio or sound or something i forget... ac97 |
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| 07:11.27 | Equin_1 | How would I set KDE as my default window manager instead of gnome? |
| 07:11.48 | jetscreamer | heanol: when you report bugs, just file it on the package and the maintainers will forward it upstream. but it's probably not a bug |
| 07:11.52 | dragonfly | is it normal to be using over 700Megs of RAM when idle? |
| 07:11.54 | jetscreamer | per se |
| 07:11.57 | dragonfly | seems like a lot to me |
| 07:12.08 | jetscreamer | !free |
| 07:12.08 | dpkg | somebody said free was defined in English with many different meanings of which only one refers to cost. easier in french, or 'free beer' = gratuit 'free speech' = libre, or http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/categories.html, or free (procps) tells you how much memory is used/wasted ("Mem:"), and how much is being necessarily used/could be freed ("-/+ buffers/cache:") |
| 07:12.09 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: there's quite few modules that are sound related loaded right now |
| 07:12.32 | heanol | jetscreamer, then why doesnt xorg detect it? |
| 07:12.32 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: the alsa ones are all prefixed with snd_ |
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| 07:13.31 | jetscreamer | heanol: did you try making sure the new xorg module packages are installed, and maybe doing dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ? |
| 07:14.00 | jetscreamer | vid-driver modules and so fortth |
| 07:14.48 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: it's muted by default, you usually have to unmute it in a mixer |
| 07:14.48 | heanol | jetscreamer, yes |
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| 07:15.31 | onetinsoldier | snd_emu10k1 snd_rawmidi snd_seq_device snd_ac97_codec snd_pcm snd_timer snd_ac97_bus snd_page_alloc snd_util_mem snd_hwdep snd soundcore ...not sure why ac97 stuff is loaded. i don't have any onboard sound, although i realize there is probably some good reason those are there |
| 07:15.57 | heanol | jetscreamer, http://pastebin.com/724126 look at that. isnt that weird? |
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| 07:16.08 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: i have even tried to play anything at all yet. for all i know sound might be working? |
| 07:16.21 | onetinsoldier | *haven't |
| 07:16.23 | sigjuice | I upgraded my debian system to kernel 2.6.16 and prism54 can't load the firmware on my PCI ISL3890 any more. Any ideas? |
| 07:16.49 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: i just thought there was someting to installing alsa or something to get sound |
| 07:16.59 | onetinsoldier | not needed tho |
| 07:17.01 | onetinsoldier | ??? |
| 07:17.13 | rohan | btw, finally debian sid has vim7 .. yay \o/ |
| 07:17.22 | onetinsoldier | nice |
| 07:17.30 | k-god | rohan: suwheet. |
| 07:17.35 | k-god | rohan: spellcheck, right? |
| 07:17.44 | heanol | jetscreamer, does that mean X probes it but the driver doesnt recognize it? i have the appropiate driver installed and it's the same driver i used to use in 6.9 |
| 07:17.48 | rohan | k-god: dunno, not really 'dug' into vim7 yet |
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| 07:18.28 | jetscreamer | what chipset is mach64 |
| 07:18.45 | jetscreamer | heanol: check /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
| 07:18.54 | heanol | jetscreamer, that is from my xorg.0.log :P |
| 07:19.03 | heanol | i'm using the "ati" driver if thats what you mean.. |
| 07:19.07 | heanol | did check the pastebin>? |
| 07:19.13 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: yeah it very well could be working |
| 07:19.21 | heanol | # |
| 07:19.26 | heanol | (--) PCI:*(11:5:0) ATI Technologies Inc 215CT [Mach64 CT] rev 9, Mem @ 0xfd000000/24, I/O @ 0x4000/8 |
| 07:19.29 | heanol | (WW) ATI: PCI/AGP Mach64 in slot 11:5:0 could not be detected! |
| 07:19.33 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: do you recommend that i install alsa-base and call it done then? hehe |
| 07:19.36 | heanol | isn't that a little.. conflicting? |
| 07:19.59 | onetinsoldier | then see if i can play some sound file... |
| 07:20.04 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: you could install it and see if it works |
| 07:20.06 | bartlebee | I've added modules which I would like to load on boot via modconf -- however, though the modules are initially loaded, they don't survive a reboot -- could someone please shed some light on this? |
| 07:20.24 | jetscreamer | onetinsoldier: gnome or kde has it's own mixer though |
| 07:20.42 | onetinsoldier | roger... what does all this frm dpkg mean then??? |
| 07:20.44 | onetinsoldier | !sound |
| 07:20.44 | dpkg | well, sound is ask me about <alsa-bork>, <alsa for morons>, <ac97>, <audio>, <dmix>, <esound> and <arts>. For sarge go to http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/UseSoundCard |
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| 07:20.58 | onetinsoldier | !alsa for morons |
| 07:20.58 | dpkg | from memory, alsa for morons is 1) remove all sound-related kernel modules 2) run alsaconf 3) disable all sound servers 4) hope, or echo -e "snd-your-module" >> /etc/modules && reboot |
| 07:20.58 | jetscreamer | bartlebee: modconf 'should' put the entry in /etc/modules , check the file |
| 07:21.15 | onetinsoldier | there... that one... alsa for morons |
| 07:21.18 | rohan | hmmm.. when o when will debian shift to python 2.4 :-/ |
| 07:21.30 | jetscreamer | !info python |
| 07:21.36 | dpkg | python: (An interactive high-level object-oriented language (default version)), section python, is standard. Version: 2.3.5-5 (sid), Packaged size: 124 kB, Installed size: 460 kB |
| 07:21.44 | rohan | see ? |
| 07:21.52 | rohan | like, 2.4 packages are there, but 2.3 is the default |
| 07:21.56 | bartlebee | jetscreamer, it does, however, I see multiple entries for the same module in some cases -- safe to edit by hand and fix? |
| 07:22.13 | kevix | rohan: I'm sure they are looking for more help x-) |
| 07:22.14 | jetscreamer | yes, you should always make a backup first though |
| 07:22.53 | bartlebee | thank you |
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| 07:23.15 | rohan | kevix: :) |
| 07:23.23 | rohan | kevix: wish i could, but i dont know how to |
| 07:24.11 | onetinsoldier | i'll be back after a just a bit |
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| 07:24.25 | punsad | rohan: what version of python is in sid? |
| 07:24.28 | sep | is there a way to reinit the mouse in xorg (testing) without restarting X ? i ask becouse i have a ~30 pc kvm switch. and dpending on what os i was on the previous time. the mouse wheel in linux alters behavior. from working normaly, to very erratic and damaging mouse behavior. |
| 07:24.38 | rohan | punsad: 2.3.5 as the default |
| 07:24.46 | jetscreamer | heanol: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/ati5.html#6 |
| 07:24.54 | punsad | rohan: is 2.4 available through apt in sid? |
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| 07:25.07 | rohan | punsad: yes. apt-get install python2.4 |
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| 07:25.50 | punsad | rohan: so what's the problem, then? |
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| 07:26.19 | rohan | punsad: that it is not the default. so i _need_ to have both 2.3 and 2.4 installed |
| 07:26.36 | rohan | because many apps depend on python, and debian sets the deps as 2.3.x |
| 07:26.43 | heanol | jetscreamer, well it *used* to work in 6.9 without specifying anything special, i'd consider that a bug. |
| 07:27.06 | punsad | punsad: does that present a problem, other than used up disk space? |
| 07:27.15 | rohan | punsad: yes. redundancy. |
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| 07:27.24 | jetscreamer | heanol: http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/ati.html |
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| 07:27.37 | jetscreamer | heanol: you can always report it |
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| 07:27.46 | jetscreamer | heanol: ask in #xorg first maybe |
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| 07:28.28 | kevix | sep: is it possible to remove and reinstall the kernel modules? |
| 07:28.32 | jetscreamer | http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.0/doc/html/ati3.html#3 |
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| 07:28.45 | jetscreamer | rmmod, modprobe |
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| 07:28.53 | bartlebee | jetscreamer the entries simply don't need to get added -- could it be a path issue? |
| 07:29.01 | rohan | err.. rmmod is 'dumb' .. better use modprobe -r |
| 07:29.50 | jetscreamer | bartlebee: there shouldn't be a path problem. do you have the modules is the question |
| 07:30.08 | FrenchCore | 'lu joe |
| 07:30.14 | sep | kevix, umm yes rmmod + modprobe psmouse seams to do it. now how can that be automated.. so that when i swap into my etch from (wherever) it does that instantly.... |
| 07:30.35 | jetscreamer | scripting wouldn't work oh no |
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| 07:30.57 | sep | hard to detect.. that youv been using the kvm.. |
| 07:31.04 | kristalino | wich hosting panel would you advise ? |
| 07:31.22 | k-god | kristalino: ? |
| 07:31.22 | heanol | jetscreamer, ok thanks. |
| 07:31.48 | kristalino | k-god, np |
| 07:31.57 | k-god | kristalino: eg: CPanel? |
| 07:32.03 | Assid | k-god: got it |
| 07:32.06 | kristalino | k-god, yes |
| 07:32.12 | k-god | Assid: What worked? |
| 07:32.17 | k-god | kristalino: For myself: ssh. |
| 07:32.20 | Assid | let me pastebin it |
| 07:32.21 | punsad | sep: are you tryin to get a kvm working? |
| 07:32.26 | kristalino | k-god, np |
| 07:32.28 | kevix | sep: not sure how to detect the problem in the first place x-( does the module get un-loaded? |
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| 07:32.48 | Assid | http://pastebin.com/724139 |
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| 07:32.59 | k-god | kristalino: Recommending to whom for what would provide some context for an answer. This might not be the best place for input regardless. |
| 07:32.59 | Assid | had to disable all of that |
| 07:33.10 | ghozzt | anyone here that can help me with a ACR38 smart card reader? |
| 07:33.16 | ghozzt | I have got it up and running |
| 07:33.24 | sep | kevix, yes i can nuload psmouse, (mouse stop to function) and load it again then mousewheel have regular operation as expected |
| 07:33.24 | kevix | punsad: yea. sep is having a mouse prob. when he switched to an etch machine. |
| 07:33.29 | ghozzt | but I would like to use it via WINE |
| 07:33.51 | k-god | Assid: FYI: egrep -i '(perl-base|libsqlite0|screen|sslwrap...)' |
| 07:34.09 | k-god | Assid: ... stack up your grep exclusions. Um, wants to be a '-v' in the options there. |
| 07:34.17 | ghozzt | but I can't figure out how to do usbserial emulation so that I can interface with it as a serial interface in WINE |
| 07:34.19 | punsad | sep: I know this is beside the point, but I've found synergy to work as a nice replacement for kvm |
| 07:34.26 | Assid | hrmm..will keep in mind for next time.. |
| 07:34.31 | Assid | my shell scripting knowledge sucks |
| 07:35.02 | k-god | Assid: NP. It's a learned knowledge. Stash away the tricks and tips. I still strongly recommend O'Reilly's _UNIX Power Tools_. |
| 07:35.02 | Assid | k-god: but save that for the next person who has an issue.. they can always refer to it.. |
| 07:35.08 | sep | punsad, my 30 pc's are not in the same network |
| 07:35.09 | kevix | sep: the prob. is that how to detect the mouse prob. maybe ask #debian-x ? |
| 07:35.28 | Assid | hrmm.. okay... lemme see if i can get it later today |
| 07:35.28 | zu22 | I have am running dialup on Debian unstable w/ 2.2.20 kernel, I have US Robotics Sportster external Fax Modem, 28,800 baud (so 3.6KB/sec max speed) and I'm running no other programs expect irc yet while doing 'apt-get upgrade' it is rather slow (1.3KB/sec) and i ran 'pppstatus -i ppp0' and it confirms the slow speed. anything i can to speed things up? |
| 07:35.39 | rohan | http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=123113 --> does amarok in debian solve this bug ? i am looking at the patch list, but i vant figure .. does someone know it ? |
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| 07:35.54 | chealer9 | rohan: ask #debian-kde |
| 07:36.01 | rohan | chealer9: ok |
| 07:36.09 | zu22 | so my speed is should be 200 to 300% more than what i'm seeing |
| 07:36.19 | beanz | How can I make start-stop-daemon accept a DAEMON command which contains spaces and options? |
| 07:36.34 | zu22 | isp has all top of the line 56k modem pool so that is not the issue |
| 07:36.39 | punsad | sep: whoa.. that's a lot of pcs |
| 07:36.45 | zu22 | i setup pppconfig with user, pass, and PAP |
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| 07:36.57 | zu22 | modem was found on serial port |
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| 07:37.03 | k-god | Assid: COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | grep -v -i debianutils |grep -v -i sysvinit |grep -v -i perl-base |grep -v -i libsqlite0 |grep -v -i screen |grep -v -i sslwrap |grep -v -i fileutils |grep -v -i shellutils |grep -v -i textutils |grep -v -i initscripts | grep -v -i libcomerr2 | grep -v -i libgcc1 | grep -v -i libncurses5 | grep -v -i libpam-modules | grep -v -i libpam0g | grep -v -i libstdc++5 | grep -v -i libuuid1 | grep -v -i passwd | |
| 07:37.07 | zu22 | any ideas? |
| 07:37.15 | k-god | Assid: Feh. |
| 07:37.17 | k-god | COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | egrep -v -i '(debianutils|sysvinit|perl-base|libsqlite0|screen|sslwrap|fileutils|shellutils|textutils|initscripts|libcomerr2|libgcc1|libncurses5|libpam-modules|libpam0g|libstdc++5|libuuid1|passwd|slang1a-utf8|zlib1g)' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install |
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| 07:37.30 | k-god | Assid: ... that's the (slightly) tighter version. |
| 07:38.01 | Assid | hrmm |
| 07:38.05 | Assid | seems too much cleaner |
| 07:38.11 | sep | punsad, mostly servers. that dont have X and those dont notice the problem,. but my etch worstation with xorg. since some os's especialy windows ones resets the mouse when you swap to them. linux based os's dont. and end up with a nonwork mousewheel |
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| 07:38.34 | zu22 | why is my download speed so slow and how can i speed it up? i talked to others with 28,800 modems and they get at LEAST 3KB/sec so i am getting not even 1/2 that speed! :( ugh |
| 07:38.40 | snail | k-god: isn't some escaping necessary on that commandline? |
| 07:38.43 | k-god | Assid: it's just a replacement on the redundant 'grep -v -i' sequences. |
| 07:38.48 | snail | have you checked it works? |
| 07:38.55 | k-god | snail: Like where? |
| 07:39.01 | zu22 | the most i've seen is 1.3KB (kilo bytes) a second |
| 07:39.03 | k-god | snail: No, I've merely proven it correct... |
| 07:39.14 | snail | egrep -v -i '(debianutils\|s .... |
| 07:39.28 | zu22 | k-god: any ideas? |
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| 07:39.32 | k-god | snail: No. '|' is an atom seperator. |
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| 07:39.37 | Assid | calling for a copy of unix power tools |
| 07:39.41 | k-god | zu22: Drink beer. |
| 07:40.04 | ghozzt | :) |
| 07:40.15 | punsad | Assid: did you check your local library? Mine's got it |
| 07:40.17 | k-god | snail: egrep -v '(foo|bar|baz)' is equivalent to: grep -v foo | grep -v bar | grep -v baz |
| 07:40.25 | Assid | UNIX POWER TOOLS 3/E <-- is that it ? |
| 07:40.30 | k-god | Assid: yes. |
| 07:40.31 | zu22 | k-god: i don't drink lol :) i just need find out why bandwidth so low and how to get higher speed from modem |
| 07:40.35 | Assid | punsad: i get it a little over 12 bucks |
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| 07:41.11 | vitry | hi people; I have a problem: http://pastebin.com/724140 |
| 07:41.12 | k-god | Assid: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/upt3/ |
| 07:41.18 | snail | k-god: yes I know. what was confusing me was the quoting. i use " which means you need to use \| |
| 07:41.20 | Assid | else.. might just learn from online tutorials when i get the chance.. cause frankly.. dunno if i get enough time to read an entire book anymore |
| 07:41.22 | streuner | How do you tell aptitude to reinstall? |
| 07:41.22 | zu22 | is there a debian networking gurus mailing list i can contact since no one here knows a solution? |
| 07:41.31 | k-god | Feck. $70 bucks retail. |
| 07:41.48 | k-god | zu22: http://lists.debian.org/ |
| 07:41.51 | Assid | man.. thats expensive |
| 07:41.53 | ghozzt | streuner : apt-get remove aptitude && apt-get install aptitude |
| 07:41.53 | kevix | streuner: L |
| 07:41.58 | k-god | Assid: It's worth it. |
| 07:42.03 | Assid | hrmm |
| 07:42.09 | kevix | zu22: debian-user |
| 07:42.21 | streuner | kevix: for what does 'L' stands for? |
| 07:42.30 | Assid | teaches sed and awk and everyting as well ? |
| 07:42.40 | kevix | streuner: reinstall |
| 07:42.45 | streuner | zu22: check out www.debian.org ML (Mailing-List) |
| 07:42.49 | k-god | Assid: Most of the really useful information is pretty timeless. A used copy of 2nd ed should do you good. *If* you can find it. |
| 07:42.53 | Assid | okay .. will see if i can grab a copy.. else.. will prolly learn online when i get off my work time |
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| 07:42.58 | k-god | Assid: yes. |
| 07:43.00 | zu22 | kevix: thanks i will post there |
| 07:43.08 | streuner | kevix: ah, thanks. |
| 07:43.40 | k-god | Assid: http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/upt3/toc.html (Table of Contents) |
| 07:43.50 | k-god | Assid: Looks like it covers some X stuff now too. |
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| 07:44.14 | Assid | k-god: i think i'll get it for 12-14 bucks for a fresh copy ;) |
| 07:44.27 | k-god | Assid: Where? |
| 07:44.30 | locus | hi, I'm in the progress of setting up a sw raid1 using mdadm. During the installation my two disks are labeled hde and hdg. After the installation is complete the kernel panics because (according to dmesg) the disk are now hda and hdc. Can anyone tell me what determines the drive device labeling? |
| 07:44.46 | Assid | india ;) |
| 07:44.49 | cmot | Yo all! |
| 07:44.52 | onetinsoldier | jetscreamer: you still here? |
| 07:44.56 | k-god | Assid: Feh! |
| 07:44.59 | cmot | Hmmm. |
| 07:45.06 | cmot | 'later - cuppocoffe first. |
| 07:45.29 | Assid | already got a rate of $15 |
| 07:45.55 | k-god | Assid: online? |
| 07:46.16 | Assid | http://www.cb-india.com/BookDetails.asp?BookID=BK00005598&PageRef=BookSearchResult_new.asp&CategoryID=&PageIndex=1&stChar= |
| 07:46.36 | Assid | i know these guys.. should get a further discount |
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| 07:47.08 | roberts | What utility should I use to configure my Wireless NIC on my laptop? |
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| 07:47.20 | Assid | i dont even know if im gonna pick it up.. cause of the workload i already have |
| 07:47.26 | k-god | Assid: So: 637 rupee? What's the exchange rate? |
| 07:47.30 | RichiH | roberts: iwconfig |
| 07:47.37 | kevix | roberts: /etc/network/interfaces or iwconfig |
| 07:47.42 | Assid | Rs 45.5 = $1 USD |
| 07:47.55 | Assid | around 14-15 bucks |
| 07:48.30 | roberts | It doesn't appear to even detect the device... |
| 07:48.37 | Assid | "Unix Power Tools 3rd Edition is a browsers book...like a magazine that you dont read from start to finish, but leaf through repeatedly until you realize that youve read it all." |
| 07:48.39 | Assid | hehee |
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| 07:49.06 | roberts | I had the wireless NIC disabled when I installed Debian btw... I only enabled it in the BIOS AFTER he OS installed successfuly |
| 07:49.22 | roberts | So could that have something to do with it? The proper modules not being loaded or something? |
| 07:49.51 | roberts | It's an Intel wireless NIC btw, in a Dell Latitude D500 |
| 07:50.27 | zu22 | India has the cheapest books OH YEAH! |
| 07:50.54 | Assid | i know some place.. can get an additional 2 bucks off |
| 07:51.09 | zu22 | Assid: will they ship to US? |
| 07:51.12 | lastnode | roberts, ipw2200 ? |
| 07:51.15 | k-god | zu22: Yes. |
| 07:51.18 | k-god | zu22: ... for $60. |
| 07:51.18 | Assid | zu22: sadly no |
| 07:51.34 | Assid | if they do .. itd be pretty expensive |
| 07:51.45 | zu22 | k-god: aaaaaaaaack |
| 07:51.57 | k-god | zu22: I'm shitting, but it'd be pretty pricy, and slow. |
| 07:52.06 | Assid | lastnode: thats what this is |
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| 07:52.21 | lastnode | Assid, or so i gathered |
| 07:52.25 | k-god | zu22: had to ship some stuff from NZ to the US a few years ago. 6 weeks, and I forget the rate, but considerable. |
| 07:52.35 | Assid | 6 weeks? |
| 07:52.40 | zu22 | i wish i lived in developing nation damneet |
| 07:52.42 | k-god | Assid: Yeah. |
| 07:52.51 | Assid | hell no.. generally takes around 2-3 days |
| 07:52.51 | zu22 | it sucks being poor in the US haha |
| 07:53.02 | zu22 | k-god: ouch |
| 07:53.02 | k-god | zu22: Just give us a few years, we'll be there. |
| 07:53.03 | Assid | i used to send out a few things |
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| 07:53.27 | Assid | " we'll be there." --- getting substandard stuff ? or being rich ? |
| 07:53.38 | roberts | lastnode: Umm, so I should install the "ipw2200-source" package? |
| 07:53.43 | k-god | Assid: We'll be a developing nation. |
| 07:53.51 | Assid | US? |
| 07:53.54 | lastnode | !ipw2200 |
| 07:53.54 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 07:53.56 | roberts | Why is it not in main? I thought Intel's wireless NIC drivers were open sourced... |
| 07:54.07 | zu22 | k-god: be nice to have some sort of open publish on demand, so u buy content from cheapest distributor and have it sent online to local printer who prints and ships to you for nominal fee |
| 07:54.18 | zu22 | k-god: haha yah |
| 07:54.24 | k-god | Assid: meet ironic humor |
| 07:54.27 | lastnode | roberts, are you sure you have ipw2200? check lspci |
| 07:54.28 | roberts | Ah, okay |
| 07:54.30 | k-god | ironic humor: meet Assid. |
| 07:54.35 | Assid | hey Ironic humour |
| 07:54.36 | k-god | Assid: There, now you're old friends. |
| 07:54.50 | k-god | zu22: archive.org's bookmobile. |
| 07:55.01 | roberts | lastnode: Ohh, it looks like it's Broadcom! |
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| 07:55.05 | zu22 | k-god: Milk got? ;-) |
| 07:55.12 | lastnode | roberts, :) there you go then |
| 07:55.16 | zu22 | k-god: woo |
| 07:55.16 | Assid | where u been all these years? |
| 07:55.22 | k-god | zu22: Heh. |
| 07:55.22 | sigjuice | I upgraded my debian system to kernel 2.6.16 and prism54 can't load the firmware on my PCI ISL3890 any more. Any ideas? Looks like bug #319546 has resurfaced? |
| 07:55.25 | roberts | lastnode: Broadcom BCM4309 |
| 07:55.27 | lastnode | roberts, what does iwconfig give you? |
| 07:55.33 | k-god | zu22: Wei gehts? |
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| 07:55.39 | Assid | trying to see if i can get more discount |
| 07:55.44 | roberts | lo no wireless extensions. |
| 07:55.44 | roberts | eth0 no wireless extensions. |
| 07:55.44 | roberts | sit0 no wireless extensions. |
| 07:55.51 | lastnode | erm |
| 07:55.54 | lastnode | you need the drivers then |
| 07:55.55 | lastnode | google |
| 07:56.05 | roberts | Okay so no Debian package for this |
| 07:56.05 | zu22 | k-god: Ich mochte sprechen sie x86 ASSEMBLER. hehe |
| 07:56.09 | lastnode | roberts, give us what |
| 07:56.16 | lastnode | lsmod | grep Wireless gives you? |
| 07:56.21 | tarzeau | ich bin eine kleine zitrone. |
| 07:56.32 | k-god | zu22: 10010011 11011001 00101011 01111011 |
| 07:56.33 | Assid | 600 INR |
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| 07:56.41 | Assid | gotta love knwing these guys |
| 07:56.46 | Assid | saved a buck there |
| 07:56.47 | lastnode | roberts, apt-cache search broadcom gives me a number of packages |
| 07:56.50 | roberts | lastnode: nothing |
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| 07:56.55 | Assid | $13.18 |
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| 07:57.04 | zu22 | k-god: ^_^ |
| 07:57.09 | Assid | alrite.. how mnay copies do you guys want? |
| 07:57.10 | martinyelland | #flood |
| 07:57.20 | martinyelland | hehe |
| 07:57.21 | k-god | Assid: Looks like there's new material on X, networking, Samba, windows, Python, expanded Perl. Nice overall update. |
| 07:57.22 | lastnode | Assid, not to be impolite or anything, but there _is_ a #debian-offtopic |
| 07:57.34 | lastnode | roberts, try simple w |
| 07:57.51 | k-god | lastnode: Wouldn't a simple w be v (or u)? |
| 07:58.10 | lastnode | roberts, er, lsmod | grep wireless |
| 07:58.12 | kevix | roberts: I think you need to use module-assistant |
| 07:58.14 | lastnode | that's what i meant, k-god :) |
| 07:58.27 | lastnode | kevix, he's not sure what card he has yet |
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| 07:58.48 | roberts | lastnode: Okay I'm going to install "bcm43xx-modules-2.5.15-1-686" (that's the kernel I have) |
| 07:58.49 | kevix | lastnode: lsmod didnt show anything? |
| 07:59.02 | lastnode | kevix, that's what im trying to ascertain |
| 07:59.03 | Assid | eeks.. cant buy it till end of next week.. account got too less funds to spend on books |
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| 07:59.28 | roberts | That'll probably work seeing as I have a Broadcom BCM4309 |
| 07:59.43 | zu22 | assid: what is your email? i want a copy |
| 07:59.46 | lastnode | roberts, what is the complete line that shows that in lspci? |
| 07:59.46 | roberts | Except not 2.5.15, but 2.6.15 |
| 07:59.55 | lastnode | and yes, as kevix said, does lsmod show anything? |
| 08:00.02 | quitte | what keyservers can i use for gpg? |
| 08:00.03 | roberts | 0000:01:03.0 Network controller: Broadcom Corporation BCM4309 802.11a/b/g (rev 02) |
| 08:00.17 | lastnode | roberts, try lsmod | grep bcm |
| 08:00.20 | lastnode | roberts, try lsmod | grep broadcom |
| 08:00.21 | lastnode | ? |
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| 08:00.47 | roberts | lastnode: Both turn up nothing. |
| 08:01.09 | lastnode | roberts, pastebin the output of lsmod? |
| 08:01.14 | roberts | lastnode: Like I said, I installed with the wireless NIC disabled in the BIOS, and only reenabled it once installed |
| 08:01.25 | roberts | lastnode: pastebin? |
| 08:01.32 | lastnode | !pastebin |
| 08:01.32 | dpkg | pastebin is, like, a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 08:01.49 | roberts | Not #flood or whatever it is? |
| 08:02.13 | k-god | roberts: pastebin's a lot easier to follow than #flood |
| 08:02.15 | lastnode | roberts, pastebin is preferable |
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| 08:02.24 | k-god | roberts: ... especially for long pastes or when #flood gets busy. |
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| 08:03.34 | dingus9 | any one know of an app that is kinda like a sticky note but more for copy/paste that uses aspell? |
| 08:04.07 | roberts | Okay, umm, I think this is it: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2569 |
| 08:04.17 | kevix | dingus9: what do you want it to do? |
| 08:04.21 | k-god | dingus9: There's a lot of really bad xsticky type apps. I just have a hotkey binding for vim in a terminal. |
| 08:04.50 | kevix | dingus9: not sure what you mean but I love tomboy! |
| 08:04.59 | lastnode | roberts, ok i cant see your bcm card |
| 08:05.02 | lastnode | try those sources |
| 08:05.03 | bartlebee | from everything I've read, by adding an alias for a module in /etc/modutils (and running update-modules), the module alias should get added to /etc/modules.conf -- which is does in my case, however, when I try to mount -t lustre, it fails |
| 08:05.07 | lastnode | but you'll need module-assistant |
| 08:05.41 | roberts | lastnode: Which one is it? |
| 08:05.44 | bartlebee | if I simply do modprobe llite and retry, it does -- I've added llite to load by editing /etc/modules, plus by putting it in via modconf, doesn't seem to work when I reboot |
| 08:05.48 | dingus9 | I want a quick spell check / pastbin located on my desktop or on a bar |
| 08:06.13 | lastnode | roberts, your kernel module for bcm doesnt seem to loaded, so there's a good chance it's not there. |
| 08:06.42 | roberts | lastnode: Oh whoops, misread that as "i CAN see your bcm card" |
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| 08:07.17 | lastnode | roberts, :) follow the ipw2200 steps, replacing your driver source for the ipw2200 driver |
| 08:07.19 | lastnode | !ipw2200 |
| 08:07.19 | dpkg | ipw2200 is a wireless driver for intel wireless cards, To install: m-a prepare && m-a a-i ieee80211 ipw2200. You will need module-assistant, build-essential and kernel-headers-$(uname -r) package, and contrib sources, ask me about <contrib>. Download and install firmware as you are told during the install. http://ipw2200.sf.net, or for help go to #ipw2200. It is built in to kernels >= 2.6.15 and will only compile on a 2.6 kernel |
| 08:07.29 | kevix | dingus9: so you want to spell check something and then do what with it? |
| 08:07.30 | roberts | lastnode: okay well should I go for that "bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-686" package? |
| 08:07.46 | lastnode | roberts, yeah but follow what dpkg just outputted |
| 08:07.58 | lastnode | if you like /msg dpkg ipw2200, and he'll open it in a separate window for you |
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| 08:08.12 | roberts | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:08.17 | lastnode | roberts, no space |
| 08:08.18 | roberts | heh |
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| 08:08.48 | cmot | Yo all! Is there a way to force the pcmcia init script to wait unitl the |
| 08:08.48 | dingus9 | Thanks kevix im going to chekck out tomboy, I basicly want to have a spellcheck/ pastbin location to just swap stuff in and out quickly, without haveing to run abi or use google :) |
| 08:08.51 | cmot | Arrgh. |
| 08:08.55 | roberts | lastnode: Okay, so should I be getting the source and compiling with m-a? Because it seems to be that this package has a precompiled driver. |
| 08:09.10 | roberts | lastnode: So I don't think I should do both... |
| 08:09.19 | cmot | Yo all! Is there a way to force the pcmcia init script to wait unitl the PCMCIA network interface is up? (using sarge) |
| 08:09.37 | Rothgar | What is the best utility for syncing data over the internet securely? rsync? |
| 08:09.46 | roberts | lastnode: "This package contains the kernel module for the Broadcom 43xx Wireless LAN driver" "This package contains the compiled kernel module for 2.6.15-1-686" |
| 08:09.55 | roberts | That's the package description... |
| 08:09.59 | liable | hola |
| 08:10.18 | lastnode | roberts, oh right. sorry, ithought that was source |
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| 08:10.53 | dingus9 | cmot: try moving the scripts priority in rcS.d to after the script you want to boot first |
| 08:10.54 | roberts | lastnode: Perhaps source isn't available? Or at least with a restrictive license... this package isn't in main =[ |
| 08:10.58 | kevix | cmot: wouldnt you need to run the pcmcia init script first to be able to then bring up a pcmcica netowrk? |
| 08:11.11 | lastnode | roberts, non-free? |
| 08:11.14 | lastnode | roberts, go ahead and apt-get it |
| 08:11.19 | lastnode | see what the config tells you |
| 08:11.29 | zu22 | i keep getting messages in my IRC client that i have new mail (252 unread) and i recall having mail when i last used this machine over a year ago but now when i run "mail" for my normal user and for root it says "No mail" :( |
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| 08:11.50 | Rothgar | Anyone? |
| 08:12.02 | zu22 | where is the mail going? is there way i can test and see how mail is setup? |
| 08:12.06 | heanol | is it feasible to downgrade to xorg 6.9 in unstable? |
| 08:12.07 | dak | hr, |
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| 08:12.20 | kevix | Rothgar: rsync iirc can use ssl ? |
| 08:12.24 | roberts | lastnode: Okay it's installed... should I restart? |
| 08:12.33 | lastnode | roberts, there was no config? |
| 08:12.39 | cmot | dingus9, kevix: from the pcmcia init script, the cardmgr is started, which brings up the network interfcace automatically. BUT: the pcmcia init scripts returns when the cardmgr is started, pcmcia card init happens async. With the result that network is not up at the time ntp, nfs, ... are started. |
| 08:12.43 | lastnode | roberts, do an update-modules anyway |
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| 08:12.59 | lastnode | and then try modprobing it? |
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| 08:13.29 | Rothgar | kevix: Yeah SSH I believe not sure about SSL, is rsync the best tool though? |
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| 08:13.48 | kevix | Rothgar: most unix admins swear by it |
| 08:14.04 | dingus9 | cmot: Did you try to move the network dependant scripts to after your pcmcia prob? |
| 08:14.06 | roberts | lastnode: Erm, when I did "update-modules" I don't see it in lsmod |
| 08:14.18 | setcode | hello |
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| 08:14.52 | kevix | cmot: or you may move the pcmcia script earlier... |
| 08:15.03 | lastnode | roberts, er, try a reboot? |
| 08:15.07 | lastnode | setcode, hello |
| 08:15.12 | roberts | lastnode: Yeah okay just about to suggest that |
| 08:15.14 | roberts | brb |
| 08:15.26 | dingus9 | cmot: so the cardmgr nees the pcmcia up but the pcmcia needs the cardmgr script, is that the problem? |
| 08:15.48 | cmot | dingus9, no. |
| 08:15.57 | cmot | dingus9, kevix: the problem is: |
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| 08:16.27 | cmot | dingus9, kevix: the pcmcia init script starts the cardmgr and then exits (meaning: the boot process continues with the next init scripts). |
| 08:16.57 | bela | Hi, I want to install sarge from usb pen, I followed the doc, I used zcat boot.img.gz > /dev/sda, that is ok the boot is running correctly , after a moment it serched for an iso to complete ( the doc said I need an iso ???), but the pen usb conains around 123 MB |
| 08:17.11 | cmot | dingus9, kevix: then (in the background) cardmgr starts the net, runs dhcp etc.. But by the time I've got an IP address, the nfs mount and ntp start etc. etc. scripts have long run and failed. |
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| 08:17.25 | cmot | So I need the pcmcia init script to wait until cardmgr has finished initialising. |
| 08:17.27 | zu22 | i just sent a test message to root and when i run mutt it says "/var/mail/root no such file or directory = errno2" |
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| 08:18.02 | ghozzt | how do I make a usb smart card reader, a serial usb device? |
| 08:18.16 | cmot | (currently I use a workaround, using something like "while sleep 1; do ping -q -c 1 -w 60 <gateway> && exit; done", but this is UGLY. |
| 08:18.17 | ghozzt | so that I can interface with this device in WINE? |
| 08:18.18 | dingus9 | com:oh ok so you need to tell the other scripts to wait untill the network is up before continuing |
| 08:18.23 | blondie | ghozzt: maybe you don't |
| 08:18.31 | kevix | cmot: have you looked at the pcmcia script and tried to make cardmanager not 'background' ? |
| 08:18.36 | dingus9 | cmot oops lol already said |
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| 08:19.07 | ghozzt | It's an ACR38 USB reader which I have setup via pcsc tools |
| 08:19.20 | ghozzt | device is working - cards are recognised |
| 08:19.33 | ghozzt | but how do I interface with it throug WINE |
| 08:19.36 | kevix | cmot: well you can try to report it as a bug and see what the devs say? |
| 08:19.42 | cmot | kevix, Hmmm. cardmgr -f might work. Will have a look. |
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| 08:19.51 | tortuguito | how I move a folder pra another diretorio? which command? |
| 08:19.59 | tortuguito | how I move a folder pra another diretorio? which command? |
| 08:20.00 | ghozzt | if I can solve this one then I can kick the last windoze pc out of our network |
| 08:20.05 | tarzeau | tortuguito: mv |
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| 08:20.06 | lastnode | roberts, what goes? |
| 08:20.08 | SpAnIaRd | hello |
| 08:20.11 | cmot | kevix, finally, that might be a way, but IIRC pcmcia handling was completely changed between sarge and etch, so... |
| 08:20.13 | SpAnIaRd | how do i check processor load in debian? |
| 08:20.18 | ghozzt | as we have some shitty banksoftware that only runs in windoze |
| 08:20.18 | tarzeau | SpAnIaRd: uptime |
| 08:20.19 | tortuguito | mv diretorio |
| 08:20.19 | tortuguito | ? |
| 08:20.23 | lastnode | SpAnIaRd, what WM do you run? |
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| 08:20.24 | tarzeau | tortuguito: yes |
| 08:20.26 | ghozzt | spaniard: try top |
| 08:20.29 | tortuguito | um |
| 08:20.29 | tarzeau | !nickometer SpAnIaRd |
| 08:20.30 | dpkg | 'SpAnIaRd' is 14.000% lame, tarzeau |
| 08:20.31 | tortuguito | ok |
| 08:20.33 | lastnode | yeah but that too :) |
| 08:20.48 | roberts | lastnode: Okay! So lsmod now gives me three extra things: 1) ieee80211softmac 23360 1 bcm43xx, 2) ieee80211 29896 2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac and 3) ieee80211_crypt 5376 1 ieee80211 |
| 08:20.50 | blondie | ghozzt: don't you just access it via the filesystem like any other directory? |
| 08:21.00 | ghozzt | blondie: no |
| 08:21.01 | lastnode | roberts, whee, you're done! i think |
| 08:21.09 | lastnode | roberts, iwconfig gives you? |
| 08:21.18 | roberts | lastnode: Heh, well iwconfig is giving me the same thing |
| 08:21.29 | blondie | ghozzt: why not? |
| 08:21.32 | fantomas | Hi. I have problem mounting FreeBSD disk on Linux Debian, I got 'wrong fs' error (and "ufs_read_super: bad magic number" message in logs) in reply to this command: mount -t ufs -o ufstype=ufs2,ro /dev/hdb1 /mnt/tmp . What could be the problem? |
| 08:21.37 | lastnode | roberts, iwconfig -a |
| 08:21.41 | dingus9 | cmot: instead of pinging could you check for a process ps -A |grep pcmcia or something? |
| 08:21.43 | lastnode | roberts, ifconfig -a |
| 08:21.47 | roberts | Just tells me that "lo" "eth0" and "sit0" (what's the btw?) don't have wireless extensions |
| 08:21.57 | Tallu | Hmm, is it possible to make debian an active directory domain controller? |
| 08:21.58 | kevix | roberts: is three any info in /var/log/messages about the wifi card? |
| 08:22.07 | lastnode | roberts, see if you need firmware? |
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| 08:22.25 | roberts | ifconfig -a just gives me info on lo, eth0, and sit0 |
| 08:22.32 | tarzeau | fantomas: say if you try 44bsd instead of ufs2 ? |
| 08:22.42 | fantomas | tarzeau: sure, same result |
| 08:22.48 | ghozzt | blondie: haven't really thought about it this way |
| 08:22.56 | tarzeau | fantomas: it works fine for me, which freebsd is that? |
| 08:22.59 | dingus9 | cmot: or have the pcmcia return a true value in somve variable x when it is done then just loop through that var untill it is true |
| 08:23.12 | tarzeau | fantomas: and which linux kernel version/debian? |
| 08:23.29 | dingus9 | cmot: *pcmcia script i meant |
| 08:23.32 | cmot | dingus9, Might be a way. OTOH you probably have the permission to hit me with a large object for not reading cardmgr's manpage |
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| 08:23.42 | roberts | kevix: I saw info on it on boot, but how do I search that file for the phrase "bcm"? |
| 08:23.48 | kevix | tarzeau: tell fantomas about debian kfreebsd x-) |
| 08:23.54 | cmot | ... and discovering the '-f' (foregroiund) option. |
| 08:23.54 | ghozzt | blondie: any howto/info on that? |
| 08:24.01 | dingus9 | cmot: lol is there simple fix there |
| 08:24.05 | tarzeau | kevix: you bet |
| 08:24.13 | tarzeau | fantomas: know #gnu-kbsd and debian gnu/kfreebsd ? |
| 08:24.16 | roberts | I mean I have 3 modules related to the wireless NIC alone loaded now according to lsmod... |
| 08:24.17 | tarzeau | hi cmot |
| 08:24.22 | dingus9 | cmot: lol man page what man page |
| 08:24.42 | blondie | ghozzt: create a symlink to its mount point inside the wine c: drive |
| 08:24.42 | kevix | roberts: grep ? |
| 08:24.42 | fantomas | tarzeau: The guy who gave me a hdd lives on FreeBSD 5.x while my system is Debian Sarge/2.6.5.15 |
| 08:25.08 | lastnode | roberts, i was just googling for you but ff crashed :) |
| 08:25.11 | fantomas | tarzeau: didn't know, thanks |
| 08:25.19 | lastnode | (im running etch, heh - have a look though, you might need firmware) |
| 08:25.46 | roberts | lastnode: Oh no! Do you have SessionSaver? |
| 08:25.50 | lastnode | and roberts, bcm43xx-fwcutter - Utility for extracting Broadcom 43xx firmware |
| 08:26.03 | lastnode | roberts, no, sadly, this was a brand spanking new install :) |
| 08:26.19 | zu22 | tarzeau: hi |
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| 08:26.25 | roberts | lastnode: Wait a minute, why do I need firmware here? The driver is install and the modules are loaded...? |
| 08:26.36 | tarzeau | hi zu22 |
| 08:26.37 | lastnode | roberts, i needed firmware :) |
| 08:26.50 | lastnode | all cards need firmware, iirc |
| 08:27.33 | roberts | kevix: In /var/log/messages, like you asked: May 18 01:17:13 localhost kernel: bcm43xx: no version for "ieee80211softmac_wx_set_rate" found: kernel tainted. |
| 08:27.33 | fantomas | tarzeau: I was wrong, he uses FreeBSD 6.1 |
| 08:27.39 | ghozzt | blondie: no luck, the windows installer (which I'm calling through wine) still complains that it can't find the smart card reader |
| 08:27.51 | roberts | May 18 01:17:13 localhost kernel: bcm43xx driver |
| 08:28.10 | blondie | oh a smart card reader |
| 08:28.13 | roberts | And one more that looks relevant |
| 08:28.14 | roberts | May 18 01:17:13 localhost kernel: EIP is at bcm43xx_geo_init+0xf3/0x1b0 [bcm43xx] |
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| 08:28.32 | roberts | kevix, lastnode: Does that tell you anything useful? |
| 08:28.43 | ghozzt | blondie: an ACR38U (which is working through pcsc tools) |
| 08:28.57 | eren | Hi. Is there a way to see the reasons for new updates on unstable?! Should I use debian-devel mailinglist for that reason?! |
| 08:28.58 | ghozzt | but how do I tell wine to use it? |
| 08:29.14 | lastnode | roberts, sorry, no idea :( |
| 08:29.16 | lastnode | kernel tainted? |
| 08:29.21 | lastnode | kevix might be of more use |
| 08:29.39 | kevix | roberts: I thik 'EIP' is relatd to a kernel 'opps'? can you open /var/log/messages in vim and search for bcm to see the full messages? |
| 08:30.00 | ghozzt | Thu May 18 10:31:45 2006 |
| 08:30.00 | ghozzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.01 | ghozzt | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:30.01 | ghozzt | <PROTECTED> |
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| 08:30.21 | roberts | kevix: I have all the lines in which "bcm" refers to in /var/log/messages here |
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| 08:30.39 | roberts | There are 6 lines total... I used grep |
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| 08:31.16 | kevix | roberts: i'm out of ideas x-) try debian-user mailing list. |
| 08:31.29 | roberts | Additionally, lsmod shows that I have 3 modules related to 80211 running |
| 08:31.49 | roberts | ack okay... weird I would think this is a very common laptop... all the other devices worked great |
| 08:32.14 | lastnode | roberts, try that firmware package |
| 08:32.14 | lastnode | ? |
| 08:32.18 | lastnode | afk |
| 08:32.36 | ghozzt | anyone here that can help with usb smart card reader ACR38? |
| 08:32.38 | kevix | roberts: if you have an awailabel slot get a $30 compatible wifi card |
| 08:33.13 | roberts | kevix: I'd rather spend time trying to figure this out and learning along the way before I spend $30 |
| 08:33.44 | kevix | roberts: well then google should give you some hints... |
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| 08:34.14 | roberts | kevix: Yeah, checking... this NIC is definately supported, I just don't know how to configure it |
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| 08:34.26 | roberts | I think all the modules/drivers are installed and everything |
| 08:34.45 | kevix | roberts: seems like you have 90% of what you need... |
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| 08:36.04 | faber3 | morning, good |
| 08:36.26 | cmot | bye all - much work today... |
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| 08:36.42 | faber3 | which filesystem should i use if i need 2mio files in 1 directory ? |
| 08:37.29 | ghozzt | anyone? usb smart card readers in WINE? |
| 08:37.41 | ghozzt | is this supported at all? |
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| 08:38.18 | jelly-ho | ghozzt: do they require drivers? If yes, wine probably does NOT support them. This is more of a wine question though... |
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| 08:39.20 | wombachi | faber3 I think you'll have performance problems with 2,000,000 files in the same dir |
| 08:39.20 | ghozzt | jelly-ho: they require drivers (have the working via pcsc tools), I was hoping to emulate serial over usb to achieve my goal |
| 08:39.42 | lastnode | i have an epson c45 hooked up to usb#1, but it wont print. can someone troubleshoot with me? |
| 08:39.58 | streuner | lastnode: USB? |
| 08:40.08 | lastnode | streuner, yeah |
| 08:40.21 | streuner | lastnode: what does 'cat /proc/version' say? |
| 08:40.22 | wombachi | faber3: perhaps reiserfs3.6+ : I read it's efficient with many small files (infos on namesys.com) |
| 08:40.30 | ghozzt | jelly-ho: but for some reason I can't get a /dev/ttyUSB* up |
| 08:40.43 | lastnode | streuner, you want to know my kernel version? 2.6.15 |
| 08:40.58 | streuner | lastnode: we need the whole output |
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| 08:41.17 | lastnode | streuner, Linux version 2.6.15-1-686 (Debian 2.6.15-8) (waldi@debian.org) (gcc version 4.0.3 20060212 (prerelease) (Debian 4.0.2-9)) #2 Mon Mar 6 15:27:08 UTC 2006 |
| 08:41.23 | ghozzt | jelly-ho: a modprobe usbserial ... device id etc does not report erros |
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| 08:41.40 | crazy_penguin | 'morning all |
| 08:41.47 | ghozzt | jelly-ho: but no /dev/ttyUSB0 is created |
| 08:41.48 | streuner | lastnode: well, /msg dpkg hpinkjet install |
| 08:42.02 | lastnode | streuner, hp? but ok, will do |
| 08:42.20 | wombachi | faber3 reiserfs 3.6 : max 2^32 files in theory but about 1,200,000 in practice (http://www.namesys.com/faq.html#reiserfsspecs) |
| 08:42.39 | streuner | lastnode: do you have hotplug installed? |
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| 08:43.07 | lastnode | streuner, well i can mount usb drives fine, so i assume so |
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| 08:43.49 | streuner | lastnode: make sure you have the right ppd installed too... |
| 08:43.52 | jelly-ho | faber3: ext3 with -O dir_index should also be reasonably efficient. I've had news spools on reiser3 and it worked, but I don't remember having 10^6 files, probably in 10^4-10^5 range. |
| 08:44.04 | lastnode | streuner, how can i do that? |
| 08:44.24 | streuner | lastnode: linuxprinting.org |
| 08:44.35 | lastnode | foomatic-db? |
| 08:44.41 | streuner | or just install the package |
| 08:44.50 | wombachi | jelly-ho what is "-O dir_index" ? A mount option? |
| 08:45.11 | jelly-ho | wombachi, faber3 : however reiser (3.6) horribly deteriorated when it was filled up to > 90%, and the performance didn't recover after cleaning up. |
| 08:45.21 | jelly-ho | wombachi: mkfs or tune2fs. |
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| 08:46.14 | Badman | hi |
| 08:46.15 | wombachi | jelly-ho ok "use hashed b-trees..." : this is exactly what reiserfs is doing, according to the docs |
| 08:46.21 | lastnode | streuner, linuxprinting.org-ppds? |
| 08:46.38 | Badman | i want to install the minimal iso from the HD without burning it |
| 08:46.42 | Badman | how can i do it? |
| 08:46.46 | wombachi | (from namesys.com) : ReiserFS is based on fast balanced trees. |
| 08:46.59 | streuner | lastnode: http://linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=Epson-Stylus_C45 |
| 08:47.10 | Badman | i'm here now http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ |
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| 08:47.26 | Badman | i download this http://cdimage.debian.org/cdimage/etch_di_beta2/i386/iso-cd/debian-testing-i386-netinst.iso |
| 08:48.29 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - i have some PCM encoded voice samples that i need to convert to mp3 or mp2, for playing through a website. ive been trying to use toolame, but the resulting mp2 comes out like a mouse on speed. ive tried different options for this, my last attempt was this: toolame -s 16 -v 10 -c -p 1 -b 160 -r /tmp/003.wav ./a.mp2 |
| 08:48.31 | lastnode | thanks streuner |
| 08:48.34 | Super_Cat_Frog | any suggessiont? |
| 08:48.36 | Super_Cat_Frog | *suggestions |
| 08:48.43 | Super_Cat_Frog | (im using debian sarge's version of toolame) |
| 08:49.13 | Super_Cat_Frog | it has to be a command line util, like toolame, as its all scripted |
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| 08:49.58 | Badman | t's possible to boot the installer using no removable media, but just an existing hard disk, which can have a different OS on it. Download hd-media/initrd.gz, hd-media/vmlinuz, and a Debian CD image to the top-level directory of the hard disk. |
| 08:50.04 | Badman | << how to do this? |
| 08:50.37 | oskie | is LD_LIBRARY_PATH unset when running setuid or setgid programs? |
| 08:51.34 | Ancillius | hildi, I have asked in the mutt chan, but I am afraid its more a general question, so ill try here again. My system hung up yesterday, now I cannot exit mutt, if I exit as usual I get "Waiting for fcntl lock..." Counts to 5 and beeps. Then nothing happened. I think there is a lockfile thats left from the crash but i cannot find it. Any suggetstions? |
| 08:52.00 | jelly-ho | wombachi, faber3: I really liked reiserfs, but there's not much sense in using it nowadays. The only thing that ext3 doesn't have is packing small files. And reiserfs' fsck, if you ever need it, is abysmally slow. |
| 08:52.02 | Ancillius | replace hildi with hallo (sorry) |
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| 08:53.58 | wombachi | jelly-ho I think reiserfs need a kernel patch to support quotas, which is important to know on prod servers |
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| 08:54.40 | jelly-ho | wombachi: eh, who cares, we don't use it any more. ;-) |
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| 08:55.22 | RuXu | how can i install debian from hard-disk? |
| 08:55.25 | wombachi | jelly-ho efficient way to solve to problem, indeed :) |
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| 08:57.05 | streuner | oh |
| 08:57.17 | streuner | cafuego is in europe :-) |
| 08:57.19 | wombachi | Am I dreaming, or etch security support is really really there? http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2006/05/msg00006.html |
| 08:57.35 | cafuego | streuner: eventually, yes |
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| 09:01.06 | zu22 | I have am running dialup on Debian unstable w/ 2.2.20 kernel, I have US Robotics Sportster external Fax Modem, 28,800 baud (so 3.6KB/sec max speed) and I'm running no other programs expect irc yet while doing 'apt-get upgrade' it is rather slow (1.3KB/sec) and i ran 'pppstatus -i ppp0' and it confirms the slow speed. anything i can to speed things up? |
| 09:01.25 | jnjb | I just start to use irc and i have a problem to connect on the web with my pcmcia card based on Marvel chip on debian testing/unstable. Someone can help me please, their 5 day i working for! thank you |
| 09:01.29 | zu22 | i should get at least double the download rate i am seeing |
| 09:01.37 | faber3 | 2mio files in one directory: sorry guys. i was on the phone. so ext3 -O dir_index or reiserfs it is. what about xfs? |
| 09:03.23 | jelly-ho | faber3: sorry, no experience with xfs (or jfs, or anything stranger) here. |
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| 09:04.01 | zu22 | cafuego: any ideas? |
| 09:04.21 | jelly-ho | faber3: but you should rethink your app's directory structure if possible. ;-) |
| 09:04.24 | cafuego | zu22: Add modems |
| 09:04.59 | zu22 | cafuego: huh? you mean try a different modem? :) |
| 09:05.08 | wombachi | I think I'll install etch on a prod server, easier than fighting with custom kernels on sarge netinst CD |
| 09:05.16 | cafuego | zu22: No, add more, so you et multiples of 1.8K/sec ;-) |
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| 09:05.27 | zu22 | cafuego: i will have to order one since this is my only external modem (other one is internal winmodem) |
| 09:05.30 | wombachi | faber3 I agree with jelly-ho : too much files in same dir, really |
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| 09:05.33 | jelly-ho | zu22: bad line, (re)negotiated to some lower speed? can you try with eg. wget from a known fast web server? |
| 09:05.38 | zu22 | cafuego: haha |
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| 09:05.50 | E-bola | Hello |
| 09:06.07 | zu22 | cafuego: my ISP runs top of line 56k modem pool so problem must be with this modem |
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| 09:06.10 | E-bola | Can anyone tell me how i can get the kernel source for my running kernel? Its a standard debian sarge 2.6.8 |
| 09:06.32 | wombachi | apt-get install kernel-source-2.6.8 or something like this |
| 09:06.38 | cafuego | zu22: Not necessarily, the line can be bad as well. Lots of noise, pair gain installation... |
| 09:06.45 | zu22 | jelly-ho: i don't think line is bad cause in windows i connect at 52k |
| 09:06.52 | blondie | zu22: 56k modems are top of the line? lol |
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| 09:07.03 | jnjb | zu22 for your dial up i think that possible to flash it, at the time of your modem it can possible to flash us for 56k |
| 09:07.16 | zu22 | jelly-ho: after my 'apt-get upgrade' finishes in 4 hours i will try that wget test |
| 09:07.17 | jelly-ho | zu22: how the f* can you connect at 52k with external 28.8k modem? ;-) |
| 09:07.20 | zu22 | blondie; haha |
| 09:07.29 | E-bola | Package kernel-source-2.6.8 is not available, but is referred to by another package. |
| 09:07.29 | wombachi | E-bola you'll get src in /usr/src/ in bz2 format |
| 09:07.29 | E-bola | This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or |
| 09:07.29 | E-bola | is only available from another source |
| 09:07.41 | E-bola | i get that trying the command u wrote. |
| 09:07.43 | zu22 | cafuego: ok, my next step will be to buy a faster modem (56k external) and see if that helps |
| 09:07.44 | jelly-ho | zu22: you can suspend apt-get with ctrl-z. |
| 09:07.59 | E-bola | And my /usr/src is empty |
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| 09:08.10 | cafuego | zu22: First step should be to disconnect, then reconnect. |
| 09:08.19 | zu22 | jnjb: yeah but 1.3KByte/sec is slow even for 28,800 baud modem :P |
| 09:08.19 | liable | E-bola: you have security sources? |
| 09:08.32 | liable | E-bola: have you searched for kernel-source? |
| 09:08.38 | E-bola | liable: ahh i commented them out cuz it seemed down the other day |
| 09:08.40 | David3 | E-bola: it sounds like you might not have the right repositories in your /etc/apt/sources.list or else, one of them is down |
| 09:08.43 | jnjb | excuse 56 baud modem |
| 09:08.53 | E-bola | liable: yes kernel source dont apear in aptitude for 2.6.x, ile try ot uncomment the security apt source |
| 09:09.06 | liable | E-bola: that would do it :) |
| 09:09.06 | zu22 | jelly-ho: no i meant in windows i can connect with my internal winmodem at 52k, i am using the external 28,800 modem now in linux since i don't know how to setup winmodem in linux |
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| 09:09.23 | E-bola | ohhh im wrong |
| 09:09.26 | E-bola | im running etch not sarge |
| 09:09.27 | zu22 | jelly-ho: ok have a file i can try d/l? |
| 09:09.41 | E-bola | i guess i still need to enable security.debian.org though |
| 09:09.45 | zu22 | cafuego: oh yeah i already tried that (discon/recon) |
| 09:09.46 | bobi_ | hi, could someone link me a complete sources.list for sarge? |
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| 09:09.52 | liable | E-bola: doh.. |
| 09:10.21 | jelly-ho | zu22: I dunno, ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/ls-lR.gz ? |
| 09:10.22 | liable | bobi_: run apt-setup |
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| 09:11.03 | E-bola | liable: hmm its still not availeble after uncommenting security.debian.org |
| 09:11.10 | E-bola | isnt the sources availeble whne i run etch? |
| 09:11.15 | David3 | did you apt-get upgrade? |
| 09:11.20 | David3 | err I mean apt-get update? |
| 09:11.20 | sonasks | if i add user to group sys he should be able to copy all of the system files, right ? |
| 09:11.38 | liable | E-bola: 2.6.8 isnt in etch, you want linux-source, if you need 2.6.8, get it from snapshot.debian.net |
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| 09:12.11 | E-bola | liable: u mean 2.6.8 kernel source isnt in etch? cuz im running etch with a 2.6.8 kernel |
| 09:12.17 | liable | E-bola: no |
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| 09:13.03 | gpm | hey guys, according to a -devel-changes email (http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-changes/2005/06/msg01766.html) clearlooks is supposed to be able to have the animated progress bars, but i don't see them...any clues? is there something i need to do to turn them on? |
| 09:13.05 | liable | E-bola: either upgrade kernel and get that source, get vanilla source, or snapshot.debian.net, or get it from p.d.o |
| 09:13.20 | E-bola | ok thanks, ile try to upgrade kernel |
| 09:13.33 | E-bola | is there a "default/normal" kernel for etch? |
| 09:13.43 | liable | 2.6.15 atm |
| 09:13.51 | cappiz | a friend forgot to do a apt-get dist-upgrade after he change the sources list.... now he gets pernel error all the time with apt-get install. apt-get -f install doesnt work. is there a way to fix this? |
| 09:14.02 | E-bola | liable: thanks |
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| 09:14.11 | liable | E-bola: get linux-image-2.6-foo and it will get upgraded as they come out |
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| 09:14.34 | killroy | If there is a specific configuration program/whatever that auto-runs after you install a package, how can you re-run it if the package is already installed?? |
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| 09:14.46 | killroy | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:14.47 | David3 | oh, man, snapshot.debian.net ... I wish I knew about that when I had an old mepis running! |
| 09:14.48 | zu22 | jelly-ho: just tried that file and wget showed best of 1.29K/s |
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| 09:15.20 | zu22 | jelly-ho: anyway i can speed up things using setserial? or could some ppp option be setup wrong in kernel? this is stock debian kernel |
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| 09:15.25 | David3 | killroy: I think it usually depends on the app you're installing, dunno if there's a regular way to get at it |
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| 09:15.33 | bobi_ | liable, I ran apt-setup during installation, now I have such old packages as kde 3.3, xfree86 and so, would like to update |
| 09:15.35 | tilrway | killroy: dpkg-reconfigure packagename |
| 09:15.37 | liable | killroy: dpkg-reconfigure foo or update-alternatives |
| 09:16.20 | killroy | That's what I was looking for, thanks! |
| 09:16.22 | David3 | ...or I could be completely wrong :-) |
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| 09:16.28 | liable | bobi_: thats what sarge has isnt it? if you want newer stuff, install etch, but be prepared for stuff to break occasionaly |
| 09:18.58 | David3 | night.... |
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| 09:19.38 | ghozzt | anyone here that knows the status of usb support in WINE? |
| 09:19.55 | blondie | ghozzt: try the wine channel |
| 09:20.30 | ghozzt | blondie: no one there that can help |
| 09:20.33 | zu22 | ; |
| 09:20.37 | jelly-ho | zu22: hm. you could try setserial I suppose. If you use pon/poff, just edit the serial speed options with pppconfig. |
| 09:20.37 | cappiz | a friend forgot to do a apt-get dist-upgrade after he change the sources list.... now he gets pernel error all the time with apt-get install. apt-get -f install doesnt work. is there a way to fix this? |
| 09:20.45 | ghozzt | this crap is driving me nuts |
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| 09:21.14 | jelly-ho | zu22: oh, and that 2.2 kernel is OLD. |
| 09:21.15 | zu22 | jelly-ho: yeah i use pon/poff, in ppconfig i let it choose the highest 11KB/s |
| 09:21.20 | ghozzt | I can't imagine that i'm the only one in the world that wants to use a USB smart card reader in Wine |
| 09:21.39 | zu22 | jelly-ho: heh yah i need to figure out best way to get new kernel, this is only kernel i've used |
| 09:21.56 | liable | ghozzt: wine doesnt do device drivers as far as i am aware |
| 09:22.20 | jelly-ho | zu22: I suggest installing an appropriate kernel-image-2.4-something for starters. |
| 09:22.20 | zu22 | jelly-ho: maybe i should choose a lower speed in pppconfig? but i thought that was speed machine communicated with modem not the speed modem tries to negotiate with my ISP. |
| 09:22.24 | ghozzt | liable: the device is supported in linux |
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| 09:22.39 | ghozzt | liable: just don't know how to tell wine that it is there |
| 09:22.57 | zu22 | jelly-ho: ok, so 2.4 is better in my case than 2.6? my machine is Dell Latitude C600 (~5 years old) , Pentium 3, 750Mhz |
| 09:24.08 | ghozzt | shitty windoze made software :( |
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| 09:25.29 | liable | ghozzt: what do you need in wine that wont work natively? |
| 09:26.02 | ghozzt | liable: we have some windoze only banking software that uses the usb card reader |
| 09:26.09 | zu22 | jelly-ho: just checked pppconfig the port speed is set at 115200 |
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| 09:26.39 | roberts | lastnode: Are you still here? |
| 09:26.41 | ghozzt | liable: I am trying to Wine that software but it can't find the card reader |
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| 09:27.40 | ghozzt | and paying 150 euros for a stupid xp pro license that only exists for this banking software sucks |
| 09:27.58 | jelly-ho | zu22: It depends. I'd try 2.4 first. 2.6 has better ACPI support (if you ever want to tinker with fan/battery/speedstep and stuff), but those old notebooks have flaky acpi. |
| 09:28.40 | wombachi | ghozzt dont forget euros for antivirus and the like :p |
| 09:28.48 | ghozzt | :) |
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| 09:29.51 | jelly-ho | zu22: BTW I'm using an Compaq Armada E500 right now, which is about the same generation. Some things worked better in 2.4 (BIOS hibernation), and some things work better in 2.6 (fan control, software hibernation: swsusp). And my winmodem works. ;-) |
| 09:30.02 | liable | zu22: have you checked out linmodems.org? |
| 09:30.14 | stoned | I have problems |
| 09:30.15 | zu22 | jelly-ho: ok, someone suggested i get an IBM T23 on ebay that it will work better in linux |
| 09:30.29 | zu22 | jelly-ho: my budget for new laptop is $500 USD so i need get on ebay |
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| 09:30.56 | zu22 | jelly-ho: can you tell me how to setup my winmodem? :-) |
| 09:30.59 | liable | zu22: theres even a driver in debian if your modem is supported by kernel modules, but you need a 2.6 kernel. btw, wtf do you have a 2.2 kernel? |
| 09:31.07 | zu22 | liable: nah never heard of that site cool |
| 09:31.21 | jelly-ho | zu22: depends on the model. check out linmodems.org as said. |
| 09:31.35 | stoned | I mount --binded my music collection/media to ~/public_html/media/ no errors it says its mounted when I see it with mount -l, but nothing shows up in the directory? They are both on local disks. I am trying to mount DIR1 under DIR2 basically, or trying to share my stuff with a few friends over http |
| 09:31.40 | zu22 | liable: this was only kernel that came on my debian install disc and i never made my own kernel |
| 09:31.44 | stoned | it doesn't show anything, even though its all mounted right |
| 09:31.46 | stoned | any ideas? |
| 09:31.57 | jelly-ho | zu22, liable: default woody installation? :-) |
| 09:31.59 | liable | zu22: you installed woody? |
| 09:32.11 | zu22 | i'm worried when i install new kernel something will go wrong and i won't be able access my system, and i run dual boot setup with win98 |
| 09:32.27 | liable | zu22: what is this laptop? |
| 09:32.36 | zu22 | liable: i installed sid (unstable 14 months ago) - this is first time i got back online so i am doing a HUGE 'apt-get upgrade' now, 185MB will take 2 days |
| 09:32.36 | stoned | the public html exists as an nfs share |
| 09:32.39 | stoned | does that matter? |
| 09:32.41 | jelly-ho | zu22: your problems are sooo year 2000. ;-) |
| 09:32.50 | zu22 | liable: yah laptop, Dell Latitude C600, p3/750 |
| 09:32.53 | zu22 | jelly-ho: heh |
| 09:32.56 | stoned | can you mount --bind something to an nfs share (mount point) |
| 09:32.58 | stoned | ? |
| 09:33.04 | liable | !laptop |
| 09:33.04 | dpkg | All there is worth knowing about linux and laptops can be found at http://www.linux-laptop.net/ and http://tuxmobil.org , and also ask me about 'acpi' and 'suspend', or see the debian-laptop mailing list at http://lists.debian.org/debian-laptop/ |
| 09:33.07 | stoned | maybe thats whats fucking me up |
| 09:33.08 | liable | zu22: ^^^ |
| 09:33.40 | zu22 | liable: thanks |
| 09:33.50 | stoned | anyone, while /me tokes |
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| 09:35.47 | liable | zu22: http://www.guilds.net/machines/600m/ |
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| 09:38.11 | liable | zu22: have you used the external modem in windows? does it get better speed? |
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| 09:38.21 | newbie_ | anyone know where to get the 'makeinstall' utility? |
| 09:38.49 | liable | zu22: also, wvdial is a good dialup package too. |
| 09:39.08 | liable | newbie_: um, you mean, make install? |
| 09:39.24 | liable | !b-e newbie_ |
| 09:39.24 | dpkg | newbie_: Sounds like you need to apt-get install build-essential. |
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| 09:39.54 | unlucid | hi, in mutt some html emails show html tags... what can i do? |
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| 09:40.02 | newbie_ | hehe |
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| 09:40.35 | rohan | debian doesnt have a package for "kexec" ? |
| 09:40.40 | newbie_ | no... i mean a util called 'makeinstall' |
| 09:41.09 | newbie_ | quite possible you've enver heard of it |
| 09:41.12 | newbie_ | *never |
| 09:41.20 | zu22 | liable: yes i used the external modem in windoze and it connects at 3.4KB/sec, most i get in linux is 1.29KB/sec |
| 09:41.23 | liable | you are right |
| 09:41.30 | liable | zu22: hrm.. |
| 09:41.42 | locus | unlucid, use a text basd browser to view html mails |
| 09:41.47 | liable | zu22: i dont see that it would make a difference, but try wvdial |
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| 09:42.01 | zu22 | liable: ok thx for help |
| 09:42.03 | rohan | does anyone have info about kexec on debian ? the bot dpkg doesnt :S |
| 09:42.05 | locus | unlucid, google for mutt configs there are plenty of examples around |
| 09:43.07 | unlucid | lynx shows most html fine but not othes :( |
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| 09:43.52 | jelly-ho | unlucid: I prefer elinks, some like w3m too. Both render frames and tables correctly. |
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| 09:45.08 | unlucid | yeah i have elinks and lynx in mailcap |
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| 09:45.27 | unlucid | how does it decide what program to display it with? |
| 09:45.33 | jelly-ho | unlucid: I think it depends on the order. |
| 09:45.38 | locus | unlucid, html mail is nonsense anyway ;) |
| 09:46.15 | unlucid | haha down html email for sure |
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| 09:47.16 | roberts | Okay so I'm trying to use this "bcm43xx-fwcutter" package's Debaian configuration to set up my wireless NIC's firmware... so the package downloads a file then says it can't find it. |
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| 09:47.23 | locus | has anyone experience with debian based nfs servers? |
| 09:47.30 | renewbie | how do I stop dhcpcd? |
| 09:47.49 | roberts | Well I downloaded the correct file, but I don't know where to put it... is there a way to tell where this package's configuration is looking for this file so I can place it there? |
| 09:47.54 | rohan | renewbie: dhcpcd -k |
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| 09:50.07 | liable | roberts: theres no docs for this package? |
| 09:51.30 | roberts | liable: Hmm, where would I look for that? |
| 09:51.30 | rohan | whats the way to find which package owns the given file, in rpm ? |
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| 09:51.39 | rohan | grr.. sorry wrong channel :-/ |
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| 09:51.54 | newbie_ | roberts: try dpkg -L <packagename> |
| 09:52.12 | newbie_ | it's an rpm? |
| 09:52.14 | liable | roberts: is it a debian package or a source package? |
| 09:52.28 | rohan | i am rohan |
| 09:52.30 | rohan | :S |
| 09:52.31 | roberts | debian, not source |
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| 09:52.36 | rohan | err ok |
| 09:52.41 | rohan | lol you were talking to roberts |
| 09:52.43 | liable | roberts: /usr/share/doc/foo |
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| 09:53.33 | roberts | Thanks! |
| 09:54.19 | dli | any good rt2500 howto? |
| 09:54.34 | rohan | how do i use kexec to reboot bypassing the bios, on deb sid ? |
| 09:55.07 | renewbie | I tried but looking at my processes I found my dhcpcd is not working |
| 09:55.33 | renewbie | rather not running |
| 09:55.33 | dli | renewbie, try dhclient |
| 09:55.48 | liable | dli: what do you need a howto for? |
| 09:56.14 | dli | liable, to get the rt2500 driver in the debian way |
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| 09:56.37 | renewbie | dli: I see dhclient3 process |
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| 09:56.44 | liable | dli: isnt it supported by madwifi now? or is your chipset different? |
| 09:56.45 | dli | liable, rt2500-source seems to be buggy :( after make-kpkg |
| 09:56.56 | liable | dli: from sourceforge? |
| 09:57.25 | liable | dli: make it the ordinary way, i dunno why people use kpkg for building modules. |
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| 09:57.44 | dli | liable, yes, but rt2500-source is in testing already |
| 09:58.02 | liable | dli: oh, didnt know that. why nor use m-a? |
| 09:58.06 | dli | liable, isn't make-kpkg the ordinary way? |
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| 09:58.19 | liable | m-a a-i rt2500-source?? |
| 09:58.20 | unfo | hi all, why doesn't ls -l traverse multiple symlinks, so it would show what file any symlink eventually points to? |
| 09:58.41 | dli | liable, supposed to be the same, it gives a module eventually |
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| 09:59.00 | dli | liable, the problem seems to be the source itself, not the way of making it |
| 09:59.17 | renewbie | Ok, I figured out that I need to disable as dhclient3 is getting activated at boot time |
| 09:59.17 | liable | dli: file a bug then.. |
| 09:59.25 | dli | liable, so, madwifi should drive up rt2500 now? |
| 09:59.52 | dli | liable, that may explain why the rt2500 source is so old |
| 10:00.20 | liable | dli: check, i vaguely remember it supported some, though i think it was dlink card that it was, check the compat page |
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| 10:00.46 | dli | liable, that card says rt2500 in lspci |
| 10:01.47 | liable | dli: oh well. |
| 10:01.53 | renewbie | my box runs dhclient3 at boot up, I want to disable it but my /etc/init.d/ does not have any entry |
| 10:02.16 | zu22 | running xfree86 and gnome is eating up 249 of my 256MB RAM! sheeesh is that normal? and i thought Win32 was bad at chewing up physical memory :) |
| 10:02.24 | dli | liable, http://www.fsf.org/resources/hw/net/wireless/cards.html , fsf recommends rt2500 , didn't expect problems |
| 10:02.46 | liable | dli: i know it worked ok on a 2400, never tried it for a 2500 |
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| 10:03.22 | renewbie | zu22: it isn't |
| 10:03.34 | dli | liable, another strange thing, why isn't it in kernel |
| 10:04.29 | zu22 | renwebie: ah so what;s going on? |
| 10:04.29 | Super_Cat_Frog | hi - whats the best way of installing mencoder on debian sarge on a production sserver? |
| 10:04.33 | renewbie | zu22: linux by default uses most of ram and does not clean up untill really need it |
| 10:04.45 | dli | Super_Cat_Frog, build it |
| 10:05.01 | zu22 | renewbie: oh ok, nothing to worry about then |
| 10:05.04 | Super_Cat_Frog | dli - ah rite |
| 10:05.09 | renewbie | zu22: nothing really |
| 10:05.10 | liable | dli: no idea, ask lkml |
| 10:05.23 | zu22 | thx |
| 10:05.26 | liable | Super_Cat_Frog: or get it from marillat |
| 10:05.28 | aredhel | unfo, because what you want is: ls -L or more likely both: ls -lL |
| 10:06.02 | Super_Cat_Frog | liable - i think i'll try that |
| 10:06.05 | renewbie | np |
| 10:06.12 | dli | liable, could be a long story :( something similar to reiser4 |
| 10:06.23 | liable | dli: heh, possibly. |
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| 10:06.50 | unfo | aredhel: no, i want it so show lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 21 Mar 21 06:51 /usr/bin/ftp -> /etc/alternatives/ftp -> /usr/bin.netkit-ftp |
| 10:06.55 | renewbie | where do you specify a program to run if you need it to run at boot up in deb? |
| 10:07.06 | dli | liable, anyway, if ipw3945 can have a GPLed driver eventually, no need to go rt2500 |
| 10:07.15 | renewbie | I checked in /etc/init.d but it isn't there |
| 10:07.31 | liable | dli: whats the actuall problem anyway? have you even checked the bts? |
| 10:07.32 | dli | renewbie, which program? |
| 10:07.57 | liable | renewbie: it may be started by inetd |
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| 10:08.32 | renewbie | liable: that's possible, I am referring to dhclient3 |
| 10:08.50 | liable | renewbie: dhclient is run from interfaces file |
| 10:09.00 | dli | liable, not my box :) I told somebody rt2500 should work, so, make-kpkg modules-image was success, but "modprobe" says "rt2500" module not found |
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| 10:09.45 | dli | liable, later, "insmod" worked to insmod, and "ifconfig " shows the nic |
| 10:09.58 | liable | dli: is the module there? do they need to install a deb? did they try depmod?? |
| 10:10.04 | liable | oh |
| 10:10.09 | dli | liable, but, "iwlist eth1 scan" failed, with resource busy or something |
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| 10:10.33 | liable | dli: not all drivers support scanning. can they connect? |
| 10:10.35 | dli | liable, lsmod shows rt2500 after insmod |
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| 10:11.28 | dli | liable, could be, but not as smooth as an in-kernel driver, such as ipw wireless |
| 10:11.35 | liable | renewbie: man interfaces /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
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| 10:12.03 | liable | dli: just because it doesnt do one thing doesnt meen its a bad driver.. |
| 10:12.45 | dli | liable, yes, it's on the fsf page, and claimed to be tested |
| 10:12.46 | renewbie | liable: its a stripped down version of deb.. only 95 MB so does not have any docs here |
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| 10:13.13 | dli | liable, myself used only ipw up to now, but I hate firmwares |
| 10:13.14 | liable | renewbie: so ask in the stripped down channel :P |
| 10:13.19 | renewbie | :) |
| 10:13.38 | renewbie | liable: wish one exist |
| 10:13.47 | liable | dli: as i say, i have set up a 2400, and it worked well. |
| 10:13.53 | liable | renewbie: then use debian. |
| 10:14.10 | dli | liable, anyway, not my box :( |
| 10:14.16 | liable | renewbie: you say this distro doesnt even have man pages? |
| 10:14.17 | renewbie | well it is debian |
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| 10:14.22 | liable | no |
| 10:14.31 | liable | !based on debian |
| 10:14.31 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 10:15.25 | liable | also dsl.. |
| 10:15.32 | renewbie | liable: really, but thats ok, I am going to ssh one other machine on remote location.. |
| 10:16.06 | liable | renewbie: anyway, /etc/network/interfaces is where dhclient is called at boot |
| 10:16.11 | dli | renewbie, why not /etc/network/interfaces ? |
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| 10:17.44 | renewbie | liable, dli found it thanks |
| 10:17.51 | roberts | Hi, how does one tell if a wireless NIC's drivers *and* firmware are installed correctly? (lsmod says both have modules running) |
| 10:18.11 | dli | roberts, which card? |
| 10:18.15 | bibe | roberts : /sbin/iwconfig |
| 10:18.21 | renewbie | liable: perhaps commenting out line "iface eth0 inet dhcp" would do |
| 10:18.37 | liable | renewbie: the auto line is what calls it at boot |
| 10:18.53 | roberts | dli: A Broadcom BCM4309... |
| 10:19.12 | dli | roberts, hehe, in kernel or package? |
| 10:19.15 | roberts | bibe: iwconfig just tells me that lo, eth0, and sit0 have no wireless extensions |
| 10:19.41 | renewbie | liable: I want eth0 to be up at boot but I will configure it with a static IP rather than dynamic |
| 10:19.47 | bibe | roberts : so your wireless card isn't recognised by the system. Any error in dmesg output? |
| 10:20.12 | roberts | dli: package. I got the "bcm43xx-modules-2.6.15-1-686" package for the binary driver, and used 'bcm43xx-fxcutter" to do the firmware |
| 10:20.24 | dli | renewbie, get a debian box, "man interfaces" |
| 10:20.24 | bibe | roberts : if the modules are loaded, I guess it's a firmware-related issue |
| 10:20.40 | roberts | bibe: Well, it *is* recognized... lspci and lsmod both recognize it |
| 10:20.53 | dli | roberts, "lsmod|grep bcm" |
| 10:20.57 | roberts | bibe: That's likely the case. Where do I put the *.fw files? |
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| 10:21.08 | bibe | roberts : put 'em into /lib/firmware |
| 10:21.14 | liable | renewbie: then read those docs i pointed you at. if you dont have them, tey are freely available on the net |
| 10:21.15 | roberts | bcm43xx 95113 1 |
| 10:21.15 | roberts | firmware_class 9696 2 pcmcia,bcm43xx |
| 10:21.15 | roberts | ieee80211softmac 23360 1 bcm43xx |
| 10:21.15 | roberts | ieee80211 29896 2 bcm43xx,ieee80211softmac |
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| 10:21.24 | bibe | roberts : don't paste |
| 10:21.28 | roberts | oops |
| 10:21.45 | liable | yeah, thats what they all say.. |
| 10:21.55 | dli | roberts, then, "dmesg", check for errors from bcm43 |
| 10:21.56 | roberts | bibe: Okay welll, that's where put them. And iwconfig still isn't working? |
| 10:22.08 | bibe | roberts : now, modprobe -r bcm43xx |
| 10:22.21 | bibe | roberts : and then modprobe bcm43xx |
| 10:22.43 | bibe | now it should load the firmware too, check dmesg and /sbin/iwconfig |
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| 10:23.09 | milezteg | Q: What is the best distro for a localized dev server/print server (small office) with a wireless d-link PCI card? Is it debian? |
| 10:23.11 | roberts | bibe: I did modprobe -r bcm43xx and it's just sitting there, no output, not returning me to the prompt |
| 10:23.30 | dli | roberts, you can not remove it, because it's in use |
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| 10:23.52 | renewbie | liable: thank you, I found necessary info.. |
| 10:23.55 | roberts | dli: I, umm, err, okay... |
| 10:24.22 | bibe | milezteg : debian sarge |
| 10:24.43 | liable | renewbie: you're welcome |
| 10:24.44 | roberts | dli: Would you like me to put the information that dmesg gives me relevant to the bcm4309 NIC in #flood or pastebin? |
| 10:24.50 | dli | roberts, I don't know how to remove it, "rmmod -f" is not recommended, try rebooting, if you got the firmware in place |
| 10:24.55 | roberts | I'm not quite sure what else to do. |
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| 10:25.15 | roberts | I have the firmware in /lib/firmware/ and I've tried rebooting twice alreadt |
| 10:25.19 | dli | roberts, not needed, get the firmware, reboot |
| 10:25.32 | milezteg | bibe: oh yeah? deb has strong wireless card support? |
| 10:25.45 | roberts | 16 different *.fw files in there |
| 10:25.53 | dli | roberts, then, pastebin.com your dmesg |
| 10:26.01 | roberts | The whole thing? |
| 10:26.24 | bibe | milezteg : linux has wireless card support, debian only ships a customized kernel |
| 10:27.05 | milezteg | ok because the card will not work under rhat, fedora, or bsd even with the wrapper drivers |
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| 10:27.22 | dli | milezteg, which card? |
| 10:27.26 | milezteg | works fine in Winblows however |
| 10:27.36 | milezteg | its a dlink wireless b PCI |
| 10:27.41 | milezteg | dont have model handy |
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| 10:28.47 | roberts | dli: http://pastebin.com/724314 |
| 10:28.55 | liable | milezteg: google the lspci outpur for it and see where it gets you |
| 10:29.05 | milezteg | I wish I could find some type of hardware support list for debian |
| 10:29.13 | milezteg | hmm |
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| 10:29.28 | milezteg | ahhh ok |
| 10:29.29 | Gnea | milezteg: it's whatever the kernel supports |
| 10:29.38 | dli | milezteg, read the debian hardware howto |
| 10:29.49 | milezteg | ohh..any way I can check a list somewhere? |
| 10:29.58 | milezteg | Im not sure what to google :/ |
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| 10:30.07 | Gnea | milezteg: well, it's a wifi card, right? |
| 10:30.16 | milezteg | yeah wireless b pci |
| 10:30.19 | renewbie | milezteg: did you try ndiswrapper? |
| 10:30.21 | Phat32 | I just installed debian and I can't get a resolution higher than 800x600. Could someone please direct me to some resources on installing nvidia drivers on debian? |
| 10:30.32 | milezteg | yes in freebsd |
| 10:30.34 | roberts | dli: Look at line 227 on that pastebin... |
| 10:30.40 | Gnea | milezteg: all wifi cards are that - who makes it, what model # is it, what type of connection does it use.... |
| 10:30.46 | liable | milezteg: the .. lspci .. output :) |
| 10:30.55 | roberts | I'm not 100% sure what that means, but it doesn't look happy. |
| 10:31.06 | Gnea | milezteg: what chipset does it have? then search google for that info and add 'debian' or the kernel version that you're running onto it |
| 10:31.13 | Gnea | not that difficult, especially for a freebsd user |
| 10:31.16 | dli | roberts, it doesn't work, try another kernel |
| 10:31.25 | roberts | Ah, uhm, oh... |
| 10:31.27 | milezteg | alright what kernel/version of deb would you suggest? |
| 10:31.35 | milezteg | I will install it and see how it goes |
| 10:31.49 | dli | milezteg, for testing only, get mm kernel from kernel.org |
| 10:31.50 | Gnea | i always suggest 2.6 |
| 10:31.54 | Gnea | but that's me :) |
| 10:31.59 | roberts | dli: Have you any idea what it is about my kernel that won't let this work? |
| 10:32.00 | renewbie | 2.6.10 onwards |
| 10:32.00 | dli | roberts, for testing only, get mm kernel from kernel.org |
| 10:32.18 | Gnea | well 2.6.8 is the ceiling for sarge |
| 10:32.26 | dli | roberts, no, unless you want to debug the kernel |
| 10:33.17 | dli | roberts, maybe the 2.6.17-rc kernel, mm- might be too buggy |
| 10:33.27 | Gnea | milezteg: seriously, your best bet is to find out how the card is supported by linux itself, and then see if there is a debianized solution for it |
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| 10:34.10 | roberts | dli: That's odd, if this binary driver package and firmware package for Debian exists, you would think it would work with a stock kernel, especially one as new as etch's 2.6.15 |
| 10:34.36 | roberts | I mean why else would someone make a .deb with this NIC's binary driver? |
| 10:34.43 | dli | roberts, no, go 2.6.17 |
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| 10:35.03 | bibe | milezteg : try http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
| 10:35.05 | dli | roberts, it may work with 2.6.15, but you would like to test 2.6.17 first |
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| 10:35.47 | roberts | dli: I mean, yeah, okay I'm not a kernel recompile expert yet and I wanted to learn it anyway, but just wanted to do it from the couch using my wireless NIC =P |
| 10:36.25 | roberts | dli: Is there a specific feature you are thinking of that 2.6.17 has that would help me? or is it just the fact that it's the newest? |
| 10:36.53 | milezteg | ok I pulled the card. It is a D-Link DWL-520+ PCI |
| 10:36.59 | dli | roberts, bcm43 enters stable kernel tree starting 2.6.17 |
| 10:37.47 | roberts | dli: Oh what timing! That means it's an open source driver, correct? |
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| 10:38.17 | dli | roberts, no, still based on firmware |
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| 10:38.35 | dli | roberts, fsf.org recommends only rt2500 with fully GPLed driver |
| 10:38.42 | bibe | roberts : yes, the driver is free, but it still requires a closed source driver |
| 10:38.47 | Meaw | i'd make nat script .. how to make it run in boot up? |
| 10:39.17 | roberts | dli: Okay so I would keep the files that are in /lib/firmware (the closed source stuff) and use the open source bcm43xx driver in 2.6.17 which interfaces with that? |
| 10:39.24 | dli | Meaw, /etc/init.d/ , and update-rc.d (or make the links yourself) |
| 10:39.26 | roberts | Is that correct? |
| 10:39.38 | tarzeau | is there a tool to save only filepermissions, and restore them? |
| 10:39.43 | dli | roberts, yes |
| 10:40.05 | dli | tarzeau, you messed up? or planning? |
| 10:40.14 | roberts | *sigh* okay, I'll just wait for 2.6.17 to go stable then |
| 10:40.22 | tarzeau | dli: it happened not the first time, but it's not my system and not my files |
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| 10:40.28 | Meaw | dli you mean i should copy it in /etc/init.d/ ? |
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| 10:40.35 | Meaw | and then edit update-rc.d ? |
| 10:40.44 | tarzeau | dli: and since it keeps happening, i need a tool to just save the filepermissions and restore them, owner,group,mode |
| 10:40.46 | Gnea | roberts: cya in a year then |
| 10:40.51 | Meaw | what command to update-rc.d or should i edit it |
| 10:40.52 | dli | tarzeau, the worst cases are the setuid system files |
| 10:41.03 | tarzeau | dli: i can write my own tool, but i need to know if there's already something |
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| 10:41.54 | roberts | Gnea: hah, umm, what now? Why's that? |
| 10:42.27 | roberts | Gnea: I read about how they're considering freezing development to fix a crapload of bugs, is that what you are referring to? |
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| 10:43.29 | Gnea | roberts: no, they will freeze etch, that's how debian development works; when it thaws, it will be the new stable. doubtful that it will include 2.6.17, but who knows? |
| 10:44.00 | roberts | Gnea: Oh, I'm not talking about etch, just the Linux kernel. |
| 10:44.22 | Gnea | roberts: i know, but it may be the end of summer before it's released |
| 10:44.24 | roberts | Gnea: I'm planning on recompiling to 2.6.17 when the that version becomes stable, ie not a release candiate. |
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| 10:44.31 | dli | tarzeau, weird, maybe something like tripwire |
| 10:44.31 | dli | Meaw, " man update-rc.d " |
| 10:44.38 | Gnea | roberts: ah ok, my mistake |
| 10:44.55 | roberts | Gnea: I heard Etch was going stable in December |
| 10:45.06 | Gnea | roberts: it could be then |
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| 10:45.34 | roberts | That would be ssoooo cool |
| 10:45.57 | tarzeau | dli: no way. i'll make my own usting stat... |
| 10:45.59 | roberts | debian would've gone through 3 stable releases during Windows XP's reign |
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| 10:46.32 | roberts | I mean in between XP and Vista, Debian went from 3.0->3.1->3.2(hopefully) |
| 10:46.34 | dli | tarzeau, I suppose I don't need that tool, mostly single user machine |
| 10:46.38 | roberts | That's really funny. |
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| 10:47.17 | milezteg | well I am screwed: http://www.linuxquestions.org/hcl/showproduct.php?product=341&cat=myprod |
| 10:47.38 | tarzeau | dli: i'm sure it'll be hand for other people as well |
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| 10:49.16 | dli | tarzeau, I chown my liveusb files to use, got to change them back yesterday, manually |
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| 10:49.29 | dli | milezteg, buy a supported card |
| 10:49.35 | milezteg | actually: http://www.houseofcraig.net/acx100_howto.php |
| 10:49.37 | tarzeau | dli: i guess that's all i need find . -exec stat -c "%a %U:%G %n" {} \; |
| 10:49.44 | milezteg | ya I live in Thailand...not soo easy here |
| 10:49.50 | milezteg | cant just 'run out and get one' |
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| 10:50.15 | Andruk | does debian have a build-essentials package? |
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| 10:50.20 | dli | tarzeau, you still have to handle the databse yourself |
| 10:50.24 | milezteg | looks like I need to use kernel 2.4 |
| 10:50.27 | milezteg | weak |
| 10:51.36 | dli | milezteg, do you have ebay there? buy a rt2x00 card |
| 10:51.52 | milezteg | nah man |
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| 10:52.40 | danga | hey I just apt-get installed php5 and it will not run |
| 10:52.43 | danga | some code works but i cannot run php in the terminal |
| 10:52.48 | unlucid | what's the debian ap that run on install ? |
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| 10:53.54 | Andruk | yo, dawgs, does debian have a build-essentials package? |
| 10:54.05 | petemc | fo sho |
| 10:54.17 | dli | Andruk, what do you want to do? |
| 10:54.42 | tarzeau | dli: perfect, works :) |
| 10:54.48 | jlaw | define what you esteem to be essential^^ |
| 10:54.55 | Andruk | install ndiswrapper, checkout #ndiswrapper if you wanna see |
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| 10:55.50 | unlucid | the debian installer found my cdrom but dmesg shows no output |
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| 10:56.32 | Phat32 | I'm trying to install my nvidia driver the debian way but i need some help. I need to know my video card's bus identifyier. how do I find this? |
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| 10:56.53 | Phat32 | identifier* |
| 10:57.23 | Phat32 | I'm trying to install my nvidia driver the debian way but i need some help. I need to know my video card's bus identifier. how do I find this? |
| 10:57.47 | danga | hey |
| 10:57.50 | danga | phat |
| 10:57.52 | Phat32 | hey |
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| 10:58.01 | danga | are you pher? |
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| 10:58.01 | Phat32 | I got rid of fc3 |
| 10:58.02 | dli | unlucid, " for d0 in /proc/ide/hd? ; do echo $d0 ; cat $d0/model;done " |
| 10:58.05 | danga | oh |
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| 10:58.09 | Phat32 | danga: yepp it's me |
| 10:58.14 | Andruk | so, thats a yes? |
| 10:58.14 | danga | nice seeing you |
| 10:58.16 | danga | lol |
| 10:58.16 | lss | When I'm using synaptic/kpackager, and I click on a .deb file for the program to install, a lot of the time it needs additional librarie files to run. Why not enable a feature which 'downloads the library for you' ? |
| 10:58.18 | Phat32 | lol |
| 10:58.29 | Phat32 | can you helpme with my nvidia problem |
| 10:58.33 | danga | yeah |
| 10:58.36 | Phat32 | sweet |
| 10:58.44 | Phat32 | 800x600 sucks |
| 10:58.54 | jlaw | i would use the nvidia installer |
| 10:59.09 | jlaw | it works fine as long it can find the kernel header files |
| 10:59.18 | Phat32 | I was going to but I don't know how to kill X and all my open gl apps |
| 10:59.38 | Phat32 | also the default runlevel is 2 |
| 10:59.39 | jlaw | kill x : /etc/init.d/gdm stop |
| 10:59.44 | Phat32 | but everything says to go to 3 |
| 10:59.50 | jlaw | if you use kdn then type kdm instead |
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| 11:00.00 | Phat32 | I use gdm |
| 11:00.03 | danga | go to my query |
| 11:00.16 | jlaw | then it's what i typed |
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| 11:00.40 | jlaw | which kernel are you using phat? |
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| 11:02.25 | jlaw | with 2.6 it's a bit ugly because there are no precompiled kernel modules |
| 11:02.40 | jlaw | but that's no problem if you build the kernel yourself |
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| 11:02.47 | Meaw | hello guys |
| 11:02.59 | Meaw | im getting this error message when i start dhcpd on eth1 |
| 11:03.00 | Meaw | ddns-update-style |
| 11:03.13 | Meaw | /etc/dhcpd.conf line 1: expecting a parameter or declaration. |
| 11:03.28 | simonrvn | config error |
| 11:03.32 | ghozzt | anyone here with thorough knowledge of WINE? |
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| 11:03.39 | Meaw | it says in line 1 |
| 11:04.02 | Meaw | ddns-update-style ad-hoc; |
| 11:04.10 | Meaw | this is my dhcpd.conf line 1 |
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| 11:05.42 | jlaw | uarg ... i need to take a shower - bbs |
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| 11:08.24 | tarzeau | dli: www.linuks.mine.nu/perms/ |
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| 11:11.48 | lastnode | jlaw, showers are for the weak! |
| 11:11.49 | lastnode | 0.o |
| 11:11.58 | lastnode | ghozzt, #winehq? |
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| 11:13.00 | ghozzt | lastnode: already there but my situation with this usb smart card reader & wine seems to be very specific |
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| 11:13.44 | sly007 | Does anyone know a commanf to wrap a text file to 80 characters (or a vi command)? |
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| 11:14.00 | blondie | dunno I wrote a perl script to do that |
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| 11:14.59 | SlayerXP | sly007: vim has <esc>:gq} |
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| 11:16.58 | simonrvn | showers are for the clean |
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| 11:17.20 | sly007 | SlayerXP, :gq is not a vi command, said vim :( |
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| 11:20.05 | faber3 | can i add the dir_index option to an existing ext3 filesystem ? |
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| 11:21.24 | liable | tune2fs?? |
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| 11:22.14 | jedd | anyone caught a problem with nvidia (binary only) drivers and xorg, from unstable? the stuff in the wiki doesn't address my problem .. which is that according to xorg.log, the nvidia module doesn't exist, and the submodule GLcore, isn't found .. both are *there* though. is this part of the /usr/X11R6 migration .. ? |
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| 11:23.19 | lehel | hello |
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| 11:23.40 | lehel | anyone.. tell me a soft for writing dvds on debian |
| 11:24.12 | liable | mkisofs or for gui k3b |
| 11:24.19 | lehel | thanks |
| 11:24.24 | liable | err. growisofs :) |
| 11:25.11 | lehel | oh.. more simple: apt-get install dvd+rw-tools ;) |
| 11:27.22 | liable | which supplies.. |
| 11:27.35 | lehel | right |
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| 11:28.36 | coywolf | !msn |
| 11:28.36 | dpkg | i guess msn is an abreviation for Microsoft Network. A nasty place where either the incredibaly stupid, or incredibably rich like. apparently now being used to mean just the instant messenger service |
| 11:28.43 | coywolf | what msn client is good in debian? |
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| 11:29.27 | Phat32 | danga: Are you there? |
| 11:29.53 | Phat32 | danga: Are you there? |
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| 11:30.01 | jlaw | re |
| 11:30.02 | blondie | Phat32: learn to use /query |
| 11:30.12 | lehel | good idea |
| 11:30.19 | lehel | +e |
| 11:30.24 | blondie | +e? |
| 11:30.33 | jlaw | ideae? |
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| 11:31.01 | Alam_TTY | hello, how do I check sectors on a hard drive? |
| 11:31.04 | lehel | blondie for u "+e" ;) |
| 11:31.16 | Phat32 | blondie: I used query first you f#cking b!tch |
| 11:31.30 | blondie | Phat32: I don't care |
| 11:31.36 | jlaw | watch your mouth phat |
| 11:31.37 | Phat32 | then shut up |
| 11:31.39 | liable | wow, such hatred |
| 11:31.43 | jlaw | there is no need to |
| 11:31.57 | Phat32 | I hate linux snobs they always ruin help channels |
| 11:32.19 | blondie | Phat32: if you want to be a retard, do it elsewhere |
| 11:32.19 | jlaw | but insulting will change nothing |
| 11:32.30 | Phat32 | it's theraputic |
| 11:32.37 | jlaw | anyway ... did the installation of nvidia work? |
| 11:33.06 | Phat32 | maybe now she won't take out her insecurity complex on other newcomers |
| 11:33.19 | Phat32 | inferiority* |
| 11:33.28 | Phat32 | man I need sleep |
| 11:33.55 | jlaw | wow ... calm down - phat, got my question? |
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| 11:34.03 | liable | Alam_TTY: fsck |
| 11:34.33 | Alam_TTY | and if there nonething on it? |
| 11:34.56 | Alam_TTY | no table |
| 11:35.01 | Alam_TTY | no filesystem |
| 11:35.06 | liable | oh |
| 11:35.26 | liable | badblocks |
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| 11:35.55 | Alam_TTY | badblock is a part of what package? |
| 11:36.04 | Phat32 | jlaw: I tried using synaptic to install the remaining packages but it said something failed because it was being used by another process. Now I've rebooted and am back in synaptic and all the packages say they were installed... |
| 11:36.04 | sonasks | how to check the users home directory ? |
| 11:36.22 | blondie | check in what way? |
| 11:36.32 | Phat32 | if it failed it sure doesn't look it |
| 11:36.41 | sonasks | i have a username and want to check his $Home |
| 11:36.55 | liable | Alam_TTY: e2fsprogs |
| 11:37.05 | liable | Alam_TTY: /msg dpkg search |
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| 11:38.00 | liable | sciboy: again, check what? |
| 11:38.03 | Alam_TTY | I seem to have the package installed already |
| 11:38.13 | sciboy | I have to say that i absolutely love how apt-get update just |
| 11:38.19 | liable | sonasks: again, check what? |
| 11:38.24 | liable | sonasks: sorry |
| 11:38.27 | Phat32 | I just ran apt-get install gaim and it's installing nvidia-cg-toolkit I guess as a dependecy... |
| 11:38.29 | liable | sciboy: sorry |
| 11:38.29 | sciboy | downloads the diffs from a certain date, rather than the entire thing. |
| 11:38.31 | liable | grr |
| 11:38.40 | sciboy | Now only if they could do that with the packages themselves. =P |
| 11:38.56 | sonasks | check the default user directory |
| 11:39.03 | sonasks | his homedir |
| 11:39.09 | lastnode | sonasks, do cd, and you should end up in your home |
| 11:39.23 | sonasks | i don`t know where is the users home directory in the system |
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| 11:39.35 | sonasks | i can`t log into this user account -dumb, i know |
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| 11:39.58 | Adam_eM | hi there |
| 11:40.00 | quitte | sonasks: ~username should work as a replacement for the full path |
| 11:40.12 | quitte | sonasks: also you can have a look in /etc/passwd |
| 11:40.26 | beardy | sonasks: Why do you want to check someones $HOME, if you don't know where useraccounts are stored? |
| 11:40.28 | fluxdude | I have a strange problem on a server where df is giving negative numbers! see http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=445276 |
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| 11:40.39 | beardy | !grounding |
| 11:40.39 | dpkg | Before asking in here or on debian-user, you should read the install guide, or if you have already installed, the debian reference, the apt howto. Ask me about "docs", "unix lessons", "reference", "fundamentals", "newbiedoc", "refcard", "faq". (e.g. type /msg dpkg reference in your irc client) |
| 11:40.39 | liable | sonasks: grep foo /etc/passwd |
| 11:41.13 | Adam_eM | i'm going to give debian a try but i am a bit confused about the current version... which one is the latest ? |
| 11:41.32 | beardy | !d-i Adam_eM |
| 11:41.33 | dpkg | Adam_eM, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:41.35 | liable | i guees it could be specified elswhere with adduser.. |
| 11:41.41 | jedd | Adam_eM: you don't want the latest -- you want the stablest. download that by following the links to the CD installer iso image on the main debian web page. |
| 11:41.43 | jlaw | lol ... this irssi doc sux |
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| 11:42.03 | fluxdude | any takers on my df problem? |
| 11:42.06 | jlaw | guy wrote half a novel but the section about commands just says "fixme" |
| 11:42.18 | Chans | Hai Every1 |
| 11:42.26 | Adam_eM | jedd i meant the latest stable release :) |
| 11:42.28 | jedd | fluxdude: df -h ... shows similarly dodgy results? |
| 11:42.35 | beardy | jlaw: What do you want to know? Try /help. |
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| 11:42.58 | jedd | Adam_eM: i understand. check out the web site, and download the iso image (100mb or so) and take it from there. there's good oil on that page. |
| 11:43.20 | Chans | I'm waitin 4 debian final release |
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| 11:43.34 | beardy | Chans: Hopefully there will never be one. |
| 11:43.44 | jlaw | dunno ... something is wrong with my irssi ... already tried /help |
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| 11:43.56 | beardy | jlaw: What is wrong then? |
| 11:43.58 | Chans | oh reallyy!! thats gr8 to hear so |
| 11:44.05 | liable | when did it become sunday without anyone telling me? |
| 11:44.05 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, I'm moving most of my ntfs partitions to ext3, do you recommend me to leave my mp3 collection in the ntfs or just move it to ext3? Will I be able to play my mp3 files from winbugs? |
| 11:44.10 | blondie | Chans: final release of what? |
| 11:44.13 | jlaw | well, /help gives me no output |
| 11:44.15 | pzn | Hi! where can I get the gpg key for backports.org? thanks! |
| 11:44.17 | beardy | !permasunday |
| 11:44.17 | dpkg | All days in #debian will remain Sunday until further notice. Unfortunately, outside #debian the world keeps turning, so you still have to get up and go to work. Welcome to PermaTardsday!, or http://www.lyricsfreak.com/m/morrissey/96007.html |
| 11:44.36 | Chans | debian sarge |
| 11:44.38 | Alam_TTY | what? |
| 11:44.46 | blondie | Chans: that happened months ago |
| 11:45.04 | blondie | well it was stable months ago |
| 11:45.06 | liable | have to be almost a year now |
| 11:45.07 | r4iden | hallo can someone help with a question about building a deb package? |
| 11:45.13 | beardy | Chans: The current stable release of Debian is called Sarge, yes. |
| 11:45.19 | beardy | !sarge |
| 11:45.19 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 11:45.34 | liable | not far off |
| 11:45.40 | Adam_eM | jedd: i'd like to download the one you suggest, but i can't do a netinstall... i've got an usb modem :( |
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| 11:46.23 | SonnyBurnett | is it possible to play mp3 files that are located in a ext3 filesystem from windows? |
| 11:46.24 | cyberix | Is there a meta package that depends on the minimum Debian installation? |
| 11:46.29 | beardy | !nm |
| 11:46.29 | dpkg | hmm... nm is New Maintainer, the process through which new Debian developers happen. A program to list symbols from object files and libs. Never\No Mind. New Mexico No Molestes (do not disturb) in spanish. at http://nm.debian.org/ |
| 11:46.37 | Chans | hey sandy wat r u upto maan? |
| 11:46.38 | beardy | r4iden: ^^^ |
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| 11:46.46 | beardy | !r |
| 11:46.47 | dpkg | well, r is a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
| 11:46.49 | beardy | !u |
| 11:46.49 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:46.57 | liable | SonnyBurnett: theres drivers that can read ext3 from windows |
| 11:46.59 | Sandy | hey me in a special mereting with dfebian OFFICIALS |
| 11:47.16 | r4iden | hallo beardy |
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| 11:47.28 | liable | cyberix: say that again |
| 11:47.28 | beardy | r4iden: sorry.. |
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| 11:47.32 | beardy | !nm guide |
| 11:47.32 | dpkg | The New Maintainer's Guide contains an introductory tutorial on the art of making Debian packages. It is located at http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ There is also an additional guide that the Debian Women subproject has put together which may be useful: http://women.alioth.debian.org/wiki/index.php/English/BuildingWithoutHelper |
| 11:47.36 | SonnyBurnett | liable, without problems? as I was reading the mp3 files in ntfs from linux? |
| 11:47.36 | blondie | SonnyBurnett: if you can find an ext3 driver for windows |
| 11:47.39 | beardy | r4iden: ^^^ there |
| 11:47.42 | jewel | how I can let programs that invoke 'gcc' run the installed gcc-4.1 ? |
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| 11:47.50 | Gnea | Sandy: you what? |
| 11:47.54 | liable | SonnyBurnett: aparently its ok. never used it myself |
| 11:47.57 | r4iden | hm?? |
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| 11:48.11 | ootput | 'llo |
| 11:48.13 | blondie | the drivers I tried for ext3 on Windows seemed rather flakey |
| 11:48.22 | beardy | r4iden: Read what dpkg said above. |
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| 11:48.29 | deb-abhi | hi there ! |
| 11:48.30 | Adam_eM | jedd: but there are further 11 (or so) isos as well :) |
| 11:48.56 | r4iden | I don't want to become maintainer |
| 11:48.57 | beardy | I already told you; |
| 11:49.02 | beardy | !d-i Adam_eM |
| 11:49.02 | dpkg | Adam_eM, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
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| 11:49.15 | jelly-ho | SonnyBurnett: I've been using drivers from www.fs-driver.org for a few weeks for rw access to my usb drive without problems. |
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| 11:49.24 | beardy | r4iden: You wanted to build a deb, didn't you? |
| 11:49.27 | Sandy | hey can any body tell me how to create the shared objects in C++ using the g++ compiler |
| 11:49.30 | Gnea | r4iden: no one said you had to |
| 11:49.44 | Gnea | Sandy: your question is off-topic |
| 11:49.47 | deb-abhi | tats simple sandy ! |
| 11:49.50 | beanz | What is the recommended way of creating dirs at boot under /var/run ? |
| 11:49.51 | jlaw | brb |
| 11:49.57 | r4iden | I already built one it's just not working :) |
| 11:50.03 | liable | SonnyBurnett: #c++ |
| 11:50.05 | Gnea | beanz: with an initscript |
| 11:50.05 | liable | grr |
| 11:50.07 | Chans | abhi |
| 11:50.13 | Gnea | Sandy: #c++ |
| 11:50.22 | liable | i am a nicktab tard tonight.. |
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| 11:50.27 | Chans | Abhi: Where r u frm maan? |
| 11:50.32 | Sandy | thanx |
| 11:50.35 | deb-abhi | hi Chans |
| 11:50.39 | deb-abhi | iam from india |
| 11:50.48 | beardy | !r |
| 11:50.48 | dpkg | [r] a powerful language based on S, primarily used for statistics. It is well suited for dealing with large sets of numbers in matrices and/or vectors. apt-get install r-base r-recommended r-base-html. And it's "are", not "r" |
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| 11:50.50 | beardy | !u |
| 11:50.50 | dpkg | Damnit Jim! It's YOU. Y-O-U. Not *U*. U is a letter. YOU is a word. See ne1, or wud. Dutch for 'you' (formal singular). See http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20041201 |
| 11:50.55 | beanz | Gnea: oh |
| 11:51.42 | deb-abhi | hi prudhvi ! |
| 11:51.45 | deb-abhi | i know u there |
| 11:52.07 | SonnyBurnett | liable, excuse me? wht #c++? |
| 11:52.14 | liable | SonnyBurnett: wrong nick |
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| 11:52.19 | SonnyBurnett | ok |
| 11:52.20 | Chans | deb-helper Hi |
| 11:52.38 | Chans | wats debhelper???? |
| 11:52.47 | blondie | shut ut |
| 11:52.47 | liable | Chans: stop it |
| 11:53.00 | deb-abhi | Chans: u crazy |
| 11:53.01 | beardy | !ops Chans abusing debhelper, and being a tard |
| 11:53.01 | dpkg | Hydroxide, bob2, caphuso, dondelelcaro, doogie, eeyore-, ElectricElf, ):, helix, ljlane, LoRez, RichiH, mentor, Netsnipe, TML, walters, xk, gravity, azeem: Chans abusing debhelper, and being a tard |
| 11:53.01 | Chans | noooooooooooo |
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| 11:53.26 | r4iden | my problem is: when I build the deb-package it gets installed into a temporary folder and there are configure scripts that store this folders (absolute). -> after installing the debpackage the program can't find its files |
| 11:53.30 | Gnea | !tell Chans about repeat |
| 11:53.43 | Chans | can any1 say wats debhelper plss |
| 11:53.49 | Gnea | !pls |
| 11:53.49 | dpkg | Cud u plz spk englsh bcuz wen u spk lke ths u luk lke a moron. |
| 11:53.53 | beardy | !any1 |
| 11:53.54 | dpkg | *** any1: No such nick/channel |
| 11:53.54 | SonnyBurnett | jelly-ho, can you access also to home directories? |
| 11:54.07 | asg | Chans: /msg dpkg debhelper |
| 11:54.34 | liable | Chans: its a bot that helps in the channel. |
| 11:54.38 | SonnyBurnett | jelly-ho, does it work with ext3 too? |
| 11:54.51 | deb-abhi | my centericq not working , saying "Segmentation Fault" |
| 11:55.07 | deb-abhi | help anybody |
| 11:55.24 | jelly-ho | SonnyBurnett: it works w/ ext3. |
| 11:55.36 | Chans | thanq asg |
| 11:56.06 | blondie | hmm, did someone free a load of animals from the zoo? |
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| 11:56.20 | Chans | is it possible to convert NTFS to ext3 without losing any files? |
| 11:56.24 | msanchez | hello somebody know if exist a editpdf for debian |
| 11:56.26 | liable | no |
| 11:56.35 | liable | Chans: ^^ |
| 11:56.37 | msanchez | no |
| 11:56.40 | streuner | Chans: backup and restore? |
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| 11:57.40 | Chans | streuner: I didn't get u |
| 11:57.44 | jamily | www.jamily.com.br |
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| 11:57.58 | beardy | msanchez: The GIMP can edit single paged documents, perhaps multiple, not sure. Have a look at pdftk. OpenOffice.org can export to pdf. |
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| 11:58.16 | Chans | Sandy did u get that? |
| 11:58.18 | unlucid | hello i came here before cause i couldn't get on my cdrom again.. it was a IDE setup issue! |
| 11:58.22 | streuner | Chans: there is no way to convert between those fs, AFAIK, so just backup the data and restore them |
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| 11:58.46 | Chans | ok got u streneur |
| 11:58.56 | jamily | www.plastcbarbe |
| 11:59.10 | Gnea | Chans: yes, it is possible. |
| 11:59.14 | beardy | jamily: You know have one life left. |
| 11:59.22 | Chans | How Gnea? |
| 11:59.28 | liable | jamily: stop spamming asshole |
| 11:59.28 | ankur | Hello friends, i have two machices having debian 3.1r1 sarge. with ssh i cannot able to execute gedit or graphical tools of remote machine. as earlier i can do with redhat. for that what i need to do. |
| 11:59.33 | Gnea | Chans: very carefully. |
| 11:59.46 | Chans | wat? do u mean? |
| 11:59.55 | Gnea | what is 'wat'? |
| 12:00.01 | Sandy | is there any thing like WINEX for DEBIAN |
| 12:00.04 | liable | Chans: for gods sake, type properly |
| 12:00.10 | Gnea | Sandy: yes, winex. |
| 12:00.29 | beardy | !tell ankur -about sshx |
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| 12:00.46 | Chans | 'wat' means what |
| 12:00.55 | Chans | sorry for that |
| 12:00.57 | Gnea | Chans: then type what, not wat. |
| 12:01.01 | Chans | ok |
| 12:01.15 | Chans | now say me how to convert the file systems |
| 12:01.20 | Gnea | Chans: are you aware of the concept of backups? |
| 12:01.25 | Chans | yeah |
| 12:01.34 | Gnea | then now you know how to do it. |
| 12:01.41 | Chans | yeah |
| 12:01.43 | ankur | bready : dpkg : thank you very much |
| 12:01.53 | beardy | ankur: You're welcome. |
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| 12:02.42 | Gnea | Chans: backup, format, restore. simple. |
| 12:03.02 | beardy | Chans: As said, you can't convert between those filesystems. You have to backup/copy your data, then create a new filesystem, of the type you want to use instead, then restore/copy back the data to the new filesystem. |
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| 12:03.26 | streuner | Gnea: do you have me on your ignore-list? |
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| 12:03.48 | jlaw | do you expect an answer if that is the case?^^ |
| 12:03.52 | r4iden | beardy: my problem is: when I build the deb-package it gets installed into a temporary folder and there are configure scripts that store this folders (absolute). -> after installing the debpackage the program can't find its files |
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| 12:03.57 | rusher | hello |
| 12:04.01 | streuner | jlaw: yes |
| 12:04.23 | jlaw | -.- |
| 12:04.35 | lastnode | what is the nvram module and how can i load it? |
| 12:04.52 | beardy | lastnode: If you don't know what it is, why do you need it? |
| 12:05.02 | lastnode | beardy, tpb asks for it |
| 12:05.13 | beardy | !nvram |
| 12:05.13 | dpkg | i heard nvram is (Non-Volatile RAM) A small amount of RAM that stores information even after you turn off your computer. Used in modems (for storing your settings) and in hardware keys for protecting software. |
| 12:05.20 | beardy | lastnode: tpb? |
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| 12:05.44 | liable | beardy: thinkpad buttons |
| 12:05.55 | lastnode | :) |
| 12:06.24 | rusher | how can I install linux on my ipod shuffle |
| 12:06.26 | rusher | lol |
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| 12:08.37 | beardy | lastnode: I don't know what the module name is, but it should be nvram. 'modprobe nvram' |
| 12:09.50 | lastnode | thanks beardy, how can i make nvram load at startup? |
| 12:10.35 | liable | its a module |
| 12:11.00 | liable | lastnode: its not already loaded? |
| 12:11.54 | lastnode | liable, yes |
| 12:11.59 | lastnode | update-modules ? |
| 12:12.20 | liable | lastnode: is it not loaded at boot? |
| 12:12.29 | lastnode | liable, i had to modrpobe it now |
| 12:12.33 | lastnode | no its not loaded at boot |
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| 12:13.55 | liable | lastnode: hrm, something loads mine, and it doesnt appear to have deps.. |
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| 12:14.18 | lastnode | np liable thanks anyway |
| 12:14.22 | lastnode | i gotta go config acpi |
| 12:14.24 | lastnode | but later, |
| 12:14.37 | liable | lastnode: anyway, add it to /etc/modules |
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| 12:21.38 | lastnode | how can i kill all processes that are using a certain fs location? |
| 12:22.19 | _MiTo_ | lastnode: lsof |
| 12:22.24 | _MiTo_ | see which one |
| 12:22.28 | _MiTo_ | and kill -9 |
| 12:22.42 | simonrvn | you don't need to kill -9. that's ugly |
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| 12:22.57 | simonrvn | KILL doesn't let the process clean up after itself |
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| 12:23.28 | _MiTo_ | kill - some other signal then |
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| 12:23.44 | simonrvn | default is TERM |
| 12:23.57 | _MiTo_ | then just kill :) |
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| 12:24.42 | aftertaf | can anyone help me with a boot problem..... i'm on ubuntu, but noone there can help... its not exactly ubuntu specific.... |
| 12:25.18 | aftertaf | basically, Kernel panic on boot: crc error followed by 'cannot open root device', please append a correct root= boot option. |
| 12:25.30 | simonrvn | _MiTo_: :) |
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| 12:26.04 | aftertaf | i'm using grub. |
| 12:26.07 | aftertaf | :) |
| 12:26.09 | aftertaf | or :( |
| 12:26.12 | asg | s/lilo.conf/menu.lst/ |
| 12:26.22 | aftertaf | lol. |
| 12:26.36 | tralala | !lol |
| 12:26.36 | dpkg | If you want to laugh, use heh or hah or bwahahaha. lol doesn't sound like laughter at all and makes you look like an AOL user. |
| 12:26.42 | liable | or disk name swappage? |
| 12:26.58 | aftertaf | actually, its ubuntu doing its thing by itself.... i know, not cool. |
| 12:27.10 | lastnode | aftertaf, is that j00? |
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| 12:27.44 | Gnea | !ubuntu |
| 12:27.44 | dpkg | Ubuntu is a distribution of Linux that is <Based on Debian>, please visit http://www.ubuntulinux.org and/or visit #ubuntu, right here on IRC. Ask me about <Based On Debian> for an explanation of why we are unable to support Ubuntu here. |
| 12:28.22 | aftertaf | yeah i know..... a hate thing.... But i tend to break it less when on ubuntu than on debian.... |
| 12:28.24 | simonrvn | liable: yeh, less often, but i've seen it. though it was sorta of intentional, i'd added a drive, or removed one, or something |
| 12:28.40 | simonrvn | nothing to do with hate, but proper support |
| 12:29.06 | simonrvn | at least for me :) |
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| 12:29.52 | aftertaf | i think what happened is that i removed the earlier kernels cos i wanted to have less than 50% to then switch to lvm, and this borked it somewhere. |
| 12:30.06 | liable | hrm, crc error seems a bit major |
| 12:30.17 | aftertaf | i'm actually on thatb *other* system right now cos i lent out all my live cds too... |
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| 12:30.45 | aftertaf | yeah.. crc, not nice at all..... disk on its way out? smart didnt say anything. :/ |
| 12:30.48 | simonrvn | that other so-called OS that runs on c86 you mean? |
| 12:30.52 | simonrvn | x86* |
| 12:31.07 | simonrvn | nods |
| 12:31.12 | lhb | c68? |
| 12:31.29 | cromo | I was wondering... many times there was a discussion about delta packages to be introduced in deb and it's been confirmend that it will happen sooner or later for debian to have this feature. Thus, would it be that hard to also let users to have the packages compiled for some other architecture that i386 same way? Is it possible to bdiff two packages of different architecutres? Did someone check how big the deltas would be? |
| 12:31.30 | aftertaf | i grabbed explore2fs and i can see my menu.lst. all looks ok. |
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| 12:31.31 | aftertaf | c64? |
| 12:31.38 | lhb | true |
| 12:31.40 | simonrvn | typo |
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| 12:31.44 | giacus | hello |
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| 12:32.42 | liable | aftertaf: you can boot the old kernel? |
| 12:32.58 | simonrvn | cromo: they'll be different for various reasons, mostly predictable ones |
| 12:33.01 | aftertaf | simonrvn: anyway, i checked and i do still have the initrd line in grub, and its there in /boot/ too... |
| 12:33.10 | giacus | attempting to compile a kernel 2.6.16 using Debian 'testing' I get several times gcc: Internal error: Segmentation fault, any idea ? |
| 12:33.27 | simonrvn | aftertaf: yeh. this is before we knew you had that CRC prob. |
| 12:33.31 | simonrvn | ouchy |
| 12:33.38 | aftertaf | argh; reinstall? |
| 12:33.42 | simonrvn | giacus: check your RAM |
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| 12:34.15 | cromo | simonrvn: I know these packages will be different. I was just suggesting that it won't be that much of difference and thus, when apt will learn to use delta packages we could also allow the repositories to have the packages for some other architectures than only i386 |
| 12:34.34 | simonrvn | um, the repos already do that |
| 12:34.40 | dak | hrmm |
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| 12:35.32 | meow | hi, i installed sarge standard (2.4 kernel). how do i upgrade to 2.6 kernel? |
| 12:35.40 | simonrvn | "do that" -> have several arches present |
| 12:35.43 | liable | !reference |
| 12:35.44 | dpkg | The Debian Reference will answer most of your questions about Debian. Latest version at qref.sourceforge.net, or http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/reference.en.html#contents. Read it after installing Debian, and before asking for support, as it is the closest thing Debian has to a manual. You can install it too, the packagename is "debian-reference", 'apt-get install debian-reference'. |
| 12:35.44 | asg | meow: apt-get install kernel-image (pick and install one from the list) |
| 12:35.47 | sobersabre | hi guys. I want to clone harddisks via direct IDE connection and copy. |
| 12:36.03 | dak | meow read the docs or a howto |
| 12:36.05 | simonrvn | so do it |
| 12:36.10 | liable | sobersabre: /msg dpkg hard drive upgrade |
| 12:36.13 | sobersabre | Is dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb good enough ? |
| 12:36.18 | secher | what does defoma actually *do*? is it redundant with xfs? |
| 12:36.32 | sobersabre | secher xfs displays fonts. |
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| 12:36.42 | sobersabre | and defoma _manages_ them.. |
| 12:36.43 | dak | meow: /msg dpkg sarge upgrade kernel |
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| 12:36.44 | DrCurl | hello |
| 12:36.46 | dak | that tells you how |
| 12:36.59 | cromo | simonrvn: what do you mean saying the repos already do that? Saying different architectures I rather meant i686, not SPARC, AMD64 and so on |
| 12:37.16 | simonrvn | that's sub-arch |
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| 12:37.25 | cromo | indeed, sorry |
| 12:37.27 | simonrvn | and no. be a waste of space |
| 12:37.27 | meow | thanks |
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| 12:37.29 | secher | sobersabre: as opposed to defoma doing?? I read the man pages, but they seem to be redundant. |
| 12:37.42 | aftertaf | Mouhahahahaha...... |
| 12:37.59 | sobersabre | secher managing fonts is ... making it easy to add/remove/disable fonts. |
| 12:38.01 | cromo | simonrvn: did you even read what I asked for? I meant that it would use deltas between i386 and i686 |
| 12:38.18 | DrCurl | I have a static connection at work, and a dynamic at home. When I run dhclient at home to setup my network, it removes the DNS server that I use at home so the next time I try to connect at work, it doesn't work |
| 12:38.26 | cromo | and thus it would probably be just a little of storage to be used that usual |
| 12:38.32 | DrCurl | so I modify the dns and reboot |
| 12:38.34 | cromo | *than |
| 12:38.49 | simonrvn | still be a waste of space. that sort of thing would only be useful for kenels, and other "optimised" packages |
| 12:38.55 | simonrvn | kernels* |
| 12:38.57 | liable | aftertaf: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/linux-source-2.6.15/+bug/34209 |
| 12:38.58 | DrCurl | what service should I restart to get my network working after modifiying DNS? |
| 12:39.35 | simonrvn | aftertaf: hehe |
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| 12:39.47 | cromo | simonrvn: huge packages like OO or KDE could probably speed up a bit |
| 12:40.13 | simonrvn | wouldn't matter in the slightest |
| 12:40.31 | liable | DrCurl: once you edit reslov.conf, it should work (tm) |
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| 12:40.46 | simonrvn | i think you're suffering from gentooitis |
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| 12:40.51 | gilead | hello |
| 12:40.51 | tarzeau | dli: debian packages make md5 sums |
| 12:40.58 | cromo | so is there really such a little performance imrovement between i386 and i686 optimized? |
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| 12:41.16 | simonrvn | it only matters for certain things |
| 12:41.34 | tarzeau | cromo: for which software? for the kernel it's lareg improvement |
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| 12:41.34 | tarzeau | cromo: depending on the software it can be much or not |
| 12:41.41 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 12:41.42 | dpkg | [popcon] the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 12:41.47 | DrCurl | liable, there's nothing to restart? under slackware, I had to restart network, but the configs are different in debian :| |
| 12:42.01 | simonrvn | yeh, kernel, for sure. openssl too, as well as other crypto, and video/audio stuff |
| 12:42.06 | nathe | ok perhaps i'm just stupid... but where is eth0 located in the file structure? it's not in /dev/ /dev/*/ or /dev/*/*/ |
| 12:42.11 | cromo | tarzeau: I gave OO and KDE as an example |
| 12:42.15 | tarzeau | nathe: it's not |
| 12:42.16 | liable | DrCurl: if its just nameservers, editing resolv.conf should do it |
| 12:42.18 | simonrvn | um, stuff that needs a lot of cpu intensive work done |
| 12:42.25 | gilead | basic shell question: cp fails (and breaks Makefile execution) when trying to copy directory with sub-directories (cp: omitting directory...). But I *don't* want it to copy subdirectories, just files -- can it be done with cp alone (ie. without find etc.) |
| 12:42.36 | DrCurl | liable, ok thanks |
| 12:42.39 | simonrvn | cromo: nope. too big, and not worth it. |
| 12:42.43 | aftertaf | yes.......; will try that. :) |
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| 12:42.57 | simonrvn | cromo: for OOo, there's ooo-prelink |
| 12:43.08 | MrRagga | hi, does sarge use devfs by default? |
| 12:43.09 | cromo | simonrvn: I too big for what? |
| 12:43.18 | liable | MrRagga: yes |
| 12:43.21 | cromo | to store? |
| 12:43.30 | MrRagga | liable: thx |
| 12:43.34 | liable | np |
| 12:43.38 | nathe | tarzeau: then perhaps i'm going about it the wrong way. I'm writing a script that in it's checking looks to see if the device that was passed in the command line exists before continuing... any suggestions? |
| 12:43.56 | nathe | tarzeau: php, and yes I know it's a bizzare language to be doing cli scripting in :/ |
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| 12:45.08 | tarzeau | nathe: yuck. what do you want to check? |
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| 12:45.16 | tarzeau | nathe: if there's internet? |
| 12:45.21 | nathe | no |
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| 12:45.31 | nathe | weither the device exists at all |
| 12:45.31 | simonrvn | cromo: yes, and other size considerations. *you* could if you wanted, however. no one is stopping you from *you* doing it, but i wouldn't bother. (for the above stated reasons) |
| 12:45.46 | nathe | and I'd prefer it to work across distros |
| 12:46.06 | nathe | I nievely assumed that /dev/eth* existed everywhere but... |
| 12:46.25 | simonrvn | shoot, i gtg |
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| 12:46.32 | nathe | spelling. gr. |
| 12:47.09 | tarzeau | nathe: just ifconfig -a |
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| 12:47.29 | tarzeau | nathe: that'll list the devices that exist and a driver is there for... or lspci |
| 12:47.33 | nathe | tarzeau: this is going in a script. I know it exists on my side :P |
| 12:47.41 | tarzeau | nathe: debian gnu/kfreebsd or generally freebsd doesn't call them eth* |
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| 12:48.15 | nathe | tarzeau: so I see. why is ifconfig showing that then? |
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| 12:48.33 | tarzeau | nathe: hm? |
| 12:48.42 | nathe | ifconfig shows it as eth0 |
| 12:48.54 | tarzeau | nathe: but i told you ifconfig -a |
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| 12:49.01 | cromo | simonrvn: but again, how big could be the delta between OO i386 and OO i686? Not that big I guess. |
| 12:49.07 | tarzeau | nathe: read the manual page |
| 12:49.23 | cromo | anyway - which packages provides oooprelink you mentioned? couldn't find any package for it |
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| 12:49.48 | nathe | tarzeau: yeah I know what -a does. i'm not a complete neophite. :) |
| 12:50.10 | tarzeau | nathe: why do you aks me ifconfig shows it as eth0 then? |
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| 12:50.29 | nathe | tarzeau: i'm asking why it DOES show it as eth0 if it's not called eth0 |
| 12:50.40 | tarzeau | nathe: WHERE? |
| 12:50.47 | tarzeau | nathe: on my system i don't have eth0! |
| 12:50.59 | tarzeau | nathe: on yours it's eth0. but linux doesn't have it in /dev. EVER |
| 12:51.31 | tarzeau | neophyte! |
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| 12:51.52 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 12:51.54 | Shadowcat | poor tarzeau |
| 12:52.47 | tarzeau | i mean it's not my problem if he doesn't read the right manual page |
| 12:52.52 | nathe | http://pastebin.ca/56863 <--ifconfig output on my system. |
| 12:52.52 | sambrista | hi! I've got a problem with my optical ps2 mouse. The wheel button doesn't work. I mean, i can scroll up and down and it works but when i push it down, nothing happens. With xev nothing happens when i click with it. Any ideas? |
| 12:52.54 | tarzeau | it's known linux manual pages are crap |
| 12:53.08 | nathe | tarzeau: man ifconfig :p |
| 12:53.20 | tarzeau | nathe: WHAT? |
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| 12:53.35 | tarzeau | nathe: on linux? doesn't even describe -a |
| 12:53.39 | Shadowcat | !beat nathe |
| 12:53.42 | nathe | tarzeau: i'm saying that it's not the hardest one to find, and it's not the sudo manual |
| 12:53.48 | _yam | I have just upgraded from sarge to etch and pam, nscd, ldap and some other things are broken |
| 12:53.52 | tarzeau | nathe: you don't even listen to me |
| 12:53.56 | Shadowcat | nathe: are you even running debian? |
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| 12:54.09 | _yam | ./lib/tls/i686/cmov/libpthread.so.0: symbol errno, version GLIBC_PRIVATE not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference] |
| 12:54.11 | tarzeau | nathe: man ifconfig doesn't always describe what -a is good for |
| 12:54.19 | lastnode | where can i get win32codecs? |
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| 12:54.36 | Tassium | lastnode: That's easy to find with google |
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| 12:54.50 | simonrvn | cromo: dunno, but i GTG; ooo-prelink is in one of the OOo packages, works with prelink package |
| 12:54.51 | nathe | tarzeau: uhm... yeah it does? first line under options.. at least here |
| 12:54.52 | nathe | heh |
| 12:54.53 | Shadowcat | Tassium: but that requires effort |
| 12:55.29 | nathe | shadowcat: lets put it this way... if not, I'll be very supprized |
| 12:55.31 | nathe | lol |
| 12:55.40 | tarzeau | nathe: nice, then what's your problem? |
| 12:55.40 | nathe | or however it's spelled... no coffee yet |
| 12:55.48 | cromo | simonrvn: thx |
| 12:55.49 | meow | can anyone suggest a good tutorial for installing a kernel from source 'the debian way'? Google found a few, but they seem to do things differently |
| 12:55.52 | tarzeau | nathe: still the manual page sucks because the SYNOPSIS sucks |
| 12:55.57 | meow | 2.6 that is |
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| 12:56.05 | tarzeau | meow: !make-kpkg |
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| 12:56.38 | lastnode | ok Tassium |
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| 12:57.04 | nathe | tarzeau. look. I don't think your understanding what i'm trying to do. I'm not trying to check if it exists on this system. I KNOW that the net works on this system. I'm trying to check input to my script to make sure the device actually exists before operating using that device. |
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| 12:57.24 | tarzeau | nathe: i'm not a mindreader |
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| 12:57.29 | ZveN | I am loosing input randomly (mouse - left button, some keyboard buttons) on debian unstable/testing xorg-7.0, gnome-2.14, linux-2.6.16 |
| 12:57.31 | tarzeau | nathe: and you're not really telling what you really want to do |
| 12:57.35 | meow | thanks. how do i know if i need an initrd? =\ |
| 12:57.39 | nathe | tarzeau: ... I said that up above, you got sidetracked on the ifconfig thing. |
| 12:57.43 | lilalinux | I can't mount smb shares as user, although I think I have everything configured right: http://rafb.net/paste/results/APZF8o88.html |
| 12:57.49 | lilalinux | any idea? |
| 12:57.52 | tarzeau | meow: nobody NEEDS initrd |
| 12:58.05 | tarzeau | lilalinux: no user can mount stuff |
| 12:58.06 | Shadowcat | heh |
| 12:58.08 | Tassium | nathe: You could check for the existence of the device in /proc/net/dev |
| 12:58.16 | nathe | Tassium: thanks |
| 12:58.18 | wombachi | ZveN This can happen with an old udev (ex if you're on sarge) |
| 12:58.31 | tarzeau | Tassium: but that's linux only |
| 12:58.32 | fluxdude | I've got a raid array that's 4TB but my box splits this device up into 3 sdb sdc and sdd, is there a kernel option for large disk support or something? |
| 12:58.42 | ZveN | wombachi, unstable/testing, 2.6.16 |
| 12:58.43 | lilalinux | tarzeau: a user can mount cdrom etc. |
| 12:58.50 | Tassium | tarzeau: True, but I'm walking in on this conversation midway and I don't know what else is required |
| 12:58.55 | tarzeau | lilalinux: no he can't |
| 12:58.58 | nathe | tarzeau: that'll work for right now. this is the .1 release :) |
| 12:59.18 | ZveN | wombachi, the same bugreport I found at debian bugs pages, but it's not fixed |
| 12:59.25 | nathe | tarzeau: I'll abstract away the check function so that it's easy enough to add a check type |
| 12:59.27 | lilalinux | tarzeau: what is the "user" option in fstab there for? |
| 12:59.37 | lilalinux | or is that a debian policy? |
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| 13:00.17 | meow | tarzeau: hmm, perhaps the scsi driver will not load if i don't have an initrd |
| 13:00.34 | Shadowcat | meow: do you even know how to build a kernel? |
| 13:00.37 | wombachi | ZveN no idea, then, sorry. |
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| 13:02.07 | lastnode | i cant find mplayer in non-free and main. where would it be? |
| 13:02.15 | Shadowcat | lastnode: not in debian |
| 13:02.25 | meow | shadowcat: yes, from source, but i've never had to build initrd before (but then i've also never had scsi before) |
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| 13:02.42 | Shadowcat | meow: do you even know what an initrd is? |
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| 13:03.28 | meow | are you actually trying to help me? |
| 13:03.53 | meow | i read that it is the initial ramdisk and is often used to preload drivers such as those needed for certain devices |
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| 13:04.50 | Shadowcat | yes |
| 13:04.51 | Shadowcat | but from what you've told me so far I doubt that you even know how to build a proper kernel |
| 13:04.53 | Shadowcat | since anyone who's gone through the process should know what an initrd is used for |
| 13:04.56 | redphoenix1 | what would be the best way to reconver your system if you accidentally deleted /etc/X11?? |
| 13:04.58 | Shadowcat | meow: yes, and it's used for stuff that's not built into the kernel but required to boot the system |
| 13:05.00 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: are you actually trying to help me? |
| 13:05.02 | redphoenix1 | should i just delete everything |
| 13:05.05 | Tassium | redphoenix1: You have backups, right? |
| 13:05.08 | redphoenix1 | and bootstrap debian again? |
| 13:05.09 | Shadowcat | so if you shove SCSI into the system |
| 13:05.10 | redphoenix1 | no |
| 13:05.14 | Shadowcat | would you need an initrd? |
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| 13:05.35 | Tassium | redphoenix1: I suppose you could use dpkg to find out which packages put stuff in /etc/X11 and then force a reinstall of those packages |
| 13:05.43 | tarzeau | redphoenix1: reinstall xserver only |
| 13:05.58 | Shadowcat | bah this wireless link sucks |
| 13:06.01 | bela | I want to install sarge from the usb pen, only to start the installation and after that I complete from HD or local ftp server |
| 13:06.01 | redphoenix1 | ok |
| 13:06.03 | lilalinux | tarzeau: I don't know why said that a user couldn't mount stuff, but now it works |
| 13:06.23 | meow | shadowcat: so then i'm (probably incorrectly) guessing that initrd would only be necessary when the driver is built as an external module? |
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| 13:06.32 | tarzeau | lilalinux: oh well |
| 13:06.38 | Shadowcat | meow: bingo, you get 10 points |
| 13:06.39 | tarzeau | lilalinux: you've got a single user system, right? |
| 13:06.47 | Shadowcat | meow: now get going in make menuconfig |
| 13:06.56 | echnaton | hi why are packages, that I remove with apt-get remove PKGNAME are still available as "rc" in dpkg -l?! |
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| 13:07.10 | meow | hehe |
| 13:07.18 | lilalinux | tarzeau: well, I'm the only user :) |
| 13:07.33 | jlaw | lovely: apt-get update thrwos an GPG error and tells me: |
| 13:07.36 | jlaw | W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems |
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| 13:07.42 | jlaw | -.- |
| 13:07.58 | fireba11 | haha |
| 13:08.13 | oboy | apt-get remove --purge PKGNAME ¿? |
| 13:08.27 | lilalinux | jlaw: 10 Home 20 Sweet 30 Goto 10 |
| 13:08.32 | echnaton | oboy i will try that |
| 13:08.34 | redphoenix1 | xserver-xorg postinst warning: not updating /etc/X11/X; file has been |
| 13:08.35 | redphoenix1 | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:08.35 | redphoenix1 | ??? |
| 13:08.48 | fireba11 | lilalinux: that's (tm) futurama ^^ |
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| 13:09.02 | lilalinux | yep |
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| 13:09.19 | redphoenix1 | i have reinstalled this before but i still cant login to kde |
| 13:09.26 | redphoenix1 | i just get a really small terminal |
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| 13:09.36 | tarzeau | redphoenix1: which terminal? |
| 13:09.37 | Tassium | redphoenix1: Dude, that sounds like a personal problem |
| 13:09.40 | lilalinux | tarzeau: any idea how I can unmount it again as the same user? O_o |
| 13:09.41 | redphoenix1 | konsole |
| 13:09.48 | Shadowcat | redphoenix1: are you running debian unstable? |
| 13:09.51 | redphoenix1 | yea |
| 13:09.53 | tarzeau | lilalinux: no. |
| 13:09.58 | fluxdude | doesn't anybosy know anything about block devices larger than 2TB? |
| 13:10.02 | Shadowcat | redphoenix1: then read the topic |
| 13:10.05 | redphoenix1 | ok |
| 13:10.06 | tarzeau | fluxdude: yes |
| 13:10.08 | jlaw | brb |
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| 13:10.12 | echnaton | oboy: no it works. so it seems that some files of the packages are left, when i run apt-get remove and dpkg finds them?! |
| 13:10.17 | echnaton | no ==> now |
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| 13:10.58 | fluxdude | tarzeau: how do I get around the 2TB limit on block devices then? also, will ext3 have a problem with this? |
| 13:11.17 | Tassium | echnaton: There's a difference between 'remove' and 'purge'. Try dpkg --purge packagename (which will get rid of the package AND it's config files. Possibly user data. Be sure that's what you wanna do.) |
| 13:11.37 | tarzeau | fluxdude: raid controller? whcih? which kernel? linux? |
| 13:11.53 | redphoenix1 | ok thank you |
| 13:11.54 | redphoenix1 | :) |
| 13:11.55 | echnaton | of course oboy I used dpkg -P for purging. thats the hardcore way to removing packages ;) |
| 13:12.00 | echnaton | isnt it? |
| 13:12.01 | peppet | part |
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| 13:12.26 | Shadowcat | I don't see why you would use dpkg for normal everyday operations |
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| 13:12.30 | Shadowcat | there's a reason we have apt around here |
| 13:12.45 | Shadowcat | jlaw: tell us something we don't know |
| 13:13.06 | Shadowcat | you only use dpkg when you have a wonderful package in sid that won't play nice with apt |
| 13:13.08 | Shadowcat | otherwise you use apt |
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| 13:13.29 | redphoenix1 | woot |
| 13:13.30 | redphoenix1 | :D |
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| 13:14.19 | Tassium | Shadowcat: That seems a rather close-minded approach to Debian administration |
| 13:14.31 | Shadowcat | Tassium: err no |
| 13:14.33 | tarzeau | Tassium: why? it's what normal people use |
| 13:14.47 | jlaw | has anyone here ever tried to get gaim 2 beta 3 running? |
| 13:15.00 | tarzeau | jlaw: i doubt, when it's not packaged |
| 13:15.05 | Tassium | "Normal" people use the tool that does what they want. If dpkg does the job, what's the problem? |
| 13:15.26 | Shadowcat | Tassium: normal people don't have the know how about debian to use dpkg safely |
| 13:15.33 | Shadowcat | there's a reason people invented apt |
| 13:15.43 | jlaw | people seem to believe the world ends after apt^^ |
| 13:15.46 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: obviously apt was not enough |
| 13:15.49 | Shadowcat | dpkg will happily throw out libc6 if you tell it to |
| 13:15.58 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: and dpkg itself too? |
| 13:16.06 | Tassium | And rm -rf / will fuck your system up royally, maybe we should get rid of rm too |
| 13:16.06 | Shadowcat | tarzeau: yup |
| 13:16.14 | tarzeau | Shadowcat: rpm -e rpm doesn't work anymore |
| 13:16.29 | tarzeau | Tassium: that's not the point |
| 13:16.40 | Shadowcat | Tassium: actually rm -rf / won't work on any of my systems |
| 13:16.49 | jlaw | lol ... crash course in how to f*ck your system |
| 13:16.54 | jes-o-mat | hi |
| 13:16.58 | RvGaTe | How do i allow other users to read the log files, even when newly ones are created |
| 13:17.21 | petemc | RvGaTe: add them to the adm group |
| 13:17.25 | redphoenix1 | ok another problem |
| 13:17.39 | jes-o-mat | I have a DVB-S card (saa7146). /dev/video is working. which device do I need for audio capturing? |
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| 13:17.58 | RvGaTe | petemc: that would allow the user to do anything, i only want the log files be readable |
| 13:18.19 | Shadowcat | right I'm gone |
| 13:18.22 | nathe | shadowcat: how about cat /dev/random > /dev/hda |
| 13:18.27 | nathe | ;P |
| 13:18.45 | tarzeau | nathe: just mkfs on a ext2/3 system |
| 13:18.50 | redphoenix1 | i have xserver-xorg-video-all and xserver-xorg-input-all installed but i still cant see the i915 driver in "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg" |
| 13:18.54 | tarzeau | nathe: that'll fuck up your data majorly |
| 13:18.59 | nathe | heh |
| 13:19.01 | asg | RvGaTe: do they just need to be able to review them in realtime or be able to look at historical log info? |
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| 13:19.27 | petemc | RvGaTe: how does adding a user to the adm group allow them to do anything? |
| 13:19.38 | RvGaTe | asg petemc, let me get you an idea of what im trying to do: http://pc.rvgate.nl/ |
| 13:19.39 | tarzeau | petemc: read logfiles in adm group |
| 13:19.48 | petemc | tarzeau: right, which is what he asked for |
| 13:20.07 | redphoenix1 | err |
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| 13:20.08 | redphoenix1 | nvm |
| 13:20.10 | jbrimble | hey guys, I'm trying to share a folder on my debian box so that I can edit the contents via Windows.. But I have no idea how |
| 13:20.14 | redphoenix1 | i see it on that page |
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| 13:20.21 | Tassium | jbrimble: Look into "samba" |
| 13:20.25 | asg | RvGaTe: the only thing the adm group is allowed to do is read the files in /var/log |
| 13:20.45 | RvGaTe | asg petemc, if you look in the top right, i want to be able to see the failed and succesfull ftp logins, wich are in the logs |
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| 13:20.48 | jbrimble | samba is functioning, and debian can view windows folders but windows cant see debian ones. |
| 13:20.57 | jbrimble | it asks for a password?!?!?! |
| 13:21.06 | petemc | RvGaTe: perhaps you need to ask a more specific question |
| 13:21.12 | jlaw | jbrimble: /join #samba |
| 13:21.18 | Tassium | jbrimble: Did you set up any shares? Samba doesn't just share the entire filesystem by default. |
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| 13:22.10 | RvGaTe | petemc asg, to do this, i need the www-data user to be able to read the log files of vsftpd, adding this account to admin groups doesn't sound like a good idea |
| 13:22.58 | asg | RvGaTe: well, have ftp log also to an alternate file or have a userland cron job filter the log and present it in a format secure and suitable for www-data. |
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| 13:23.30 | RvGaTe | asg: sounds interesting, but i didn't understand what you just said |
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| 13:24.12 | asg | RvGaTe: well, write a script that has the permission to read the data and present it in some file which www-data can read/parse. |
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| 13:24.23 | asg | RvGaTe: run that script periodically from cron |
| 13:24.35 | RvGaTe | hmm, k |
| 13:24.44 | RvGaTe | asg: thx, ill see what i can do :) |
| 13:25.07 | Tassium | or touch /var/log/newlog, chown appropriately, then tail -f /var/log/oldlog > /var/log/newlog |
| 13:25.50 | Tassium | There's almost always more than one way to do something :) |
| 13:25.55 | jbrimble | Tassium: how do i set up shares? |
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| 13:26.53 | Tassium | jbrimble: Edit smb.conf. You really need to read some Samba docs though, it's not just a click click click done kind of setup. |
| 13:26.57 | yanis | hi,where can I find all the messages that the computer displays during the booting? |
| 13:27.28 | blondie | dmesg |
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| 13:27.30 | Tassium | yanis: Typing 'dmesg' may get what you want, or failing that look in /var/log/ (maybe /var/log/messages?) |
| 13:27.33 | cahoot | yanis: looks like you want to look at /etc/default/bootlogd |
| 13:27.34 | chrisdebianhelp | bonjour |
| 13:28.07 | bizkit | may i privmsg a native german in here that has good english? i need on sentence translated from english into good german, not the bablefish variant (:. if you are willing to translate me the sentence please query me now. sorry for offtopic |
| 13:28.19 | bizkit | s/on/one/ |
| 13:28.47 | yanis | cahoot: BOOTLOGD_ENABLE=No |
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| 13:29.06 | yanis | Tassium: no, I dont want dmesg |
| 13:29.14 | cahoot | yanis: try a 'yes' there |
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| 13:29.39 | yanis | cahoot: I have to reboot right?and then check this file again? |
| 13:30.02 | cahoot | yanis: the change will enable looging to /var/log/boot |
| 13:30.33 | yanis | cool |
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| 13:36.41 | faber3 | is there a program in debian which would print simple information about an wav-audio file? |
| 13:36.47 | jlaw | damn it ... have to go to the real world |
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| 13:38.30 | RvGaTe | asg: fixed it, i did a cronjob, write result to a file, change file owner, then read the file with php.... worked like a charm (http://pc.rvgate.nl/) |
| 13:40.00 | asg | RvGaTe: cool |
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| 13:40.36 | RvGaTe | thx for pointing out the idea |
| 13:41.28 | fluxdude | tarzeau: I've got a 3ware 9xxx controller with a 4TB raid array. kernel is 2.6.15 |
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| 13:42.20 | tarzeau | faber3: file ? |
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| 13:42.38 | tarzeau | faber3: example: wakwak.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit, mono 44100 Hz |
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| 13:43.16 | bibe | hi all. I use to mount an encrypted filesystem on an usb key with the following /etc/fstab line: |
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| 13:43.16 | bibe | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:43.26 | hejux | hi |
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| 13:44.41 | hejux | i installed debian from network ,then apt-get install x-window-system-core ,apt-get fluxbox ,and after i type startfluxbox ,there comes with a mistake |
| 13:44.42 | bibe | now, dmesg says it's time to run e2fsck to the partition, and I try to set up a loop device using |
| 13:44.53 | bibe | losetup -e aes -k 256 /dev/sda2 |
| 13:44.59 | hejux | it is said : could not connnet to X server |
| 13:45.10 | hejux | whats wrong ? |
| 13:45.10 | petemc | hejux: does the startfluxbox script also start the xserver? |
| 13:45.24 | js_ | when creating a cbq qdisc for an interface thats on a dsl connection (different upload/download), what should i set as bandwidth? |
| 13:45.29 | hejux | <petemc> i dont know scripts |
| 13:45.35 | petemc | hejux: try just using startx |
| 13:45.53 | petemc | scripts are just text... |
| 13:45.54 | hejux | if startx ,there is only a xterm , |
| 13:46.17 | hejux | i dont know gramma of scripts |
| 13:46.21 | petemc | hejux: might need to edit ~/.xsession then , add line to start fluxbox |
| 13:46.27 | bibe | but I get an "/dev/sda2: [78b8]:13 (`ڧ��!) offset 3, undefined encryp error |
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| 13:46.47 | petemc | hejux: generally, debian should have done that for you |
| 13:46.55 | Kolibot | hi all |
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| 13:47.06 | bibe | how can I run e2fsck on the encrypted filesystem? |
| 13:47.06 | hejux | <petemc>: whats different with startfluxbox by hand ? |
| 13:47.37 | petemc | hejux: im not sure, it would appear it doesnt start the xserver tho |
| 13:48.37 | hejux | yeah , it said ,X server didn't start |
| 13:48.37 | Tassium | bibe: Mount it read only, fsck, remount read/write |
| 13:49.12 | Kolibot | since i installed Debian, my fedora reboot my computer while the system initialisation ... |
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| 13:49.43 | hejux | i have installed debian many times , this time comes with a mistake , i dont know why it could not connect to X server ?! |
| 13:51.15 | Tassium | hejux: ls -l /etc/alternatives/x-window-manager |
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| 13:52.07 | hejux | BTW , i am use debian sid ...... |
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| 13:52.18 | humblebit | hi pzn |
| 13:52.27 | hejux | and download fluxbox 0.9.15 from fluxbox.org |
| 13:52.36 | Neil_ | anybody know what I'm missing? I've installed snmpd and when I do snmpwalk..system it's works but I don't see any information on my network interfaces, it's just the default config afaik |
| 13:52.44 | asg | hejux: echo 'echo /usr/bin/fluxbox' >> ~/.xsession ; startx |
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| 13:52.55 | Tassium | hejux: Any reason you didn't use the fluxbox debian package? |
| 13:52.59 | Neil_ | I've done this on a few machines and its worked ok, but not this one.. So i'm not sure where to look |
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| 13:53.03 | redphoenix1 | ok on the debian website about the new xorg in unstable it says to put the dri file into /usr/lib/dri but there is no dri folder in /usr/lib do i just make it? |
| 13:53.15 | hejux | <Tassium>: in debian , it is 0.9.14 , |
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| 13:53.48 | kyo | hi |
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| 13:54.04 | bibe | Tassium : can I e2fsck -p /dev/sda2 while it's mounted ro? |
| 13:54.36 | kyo | somebody can tell Where can I find the drivers? |
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| 13:54.49 | Tassium | bibe: Yes, you can fsck a readonly filesystem |
| 13:54.53 | humblebit | what options do I need to enable in a 2.6 kernel so that I can boot with a SATA HD without initrd? I've been trying several without success. |
| 13:54.58 | tralala | !wayttd kyo |
| 13:54.58 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, kyo? |
| 13:54.59 | kyo | int what directory? |
| 13:55.15 | redphoenix1 | or can i put them in /usr/lib/xorg/modules ? |
| 13:55.32 | tralala | kyo: /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/ |
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| 13:56.12 | kyo | in the file configuration XF86Config-4 I need to load yhe modules of ATI Radeon |
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| 13:56.54 | tralala | kyo: are you running sarge? |
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| 13:57.14 | fluxdude | i'm not sure why my linux box is splitting up my 4TB raid array since it's got Support For Large Block Devices enabled in the kernel under Block Devices. |
| 13:57.16 | kyo | yes |
| 13:57.23 | kyo | the last |
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| 13:57.54 | tralala | kyo: what does 'cat /etc/debian_version' say? |
| 13:58.06 | meneg | hi, any idea how to make "vi" behave like "vim" on current unstable? |
| 13:58.14 | blondie | install vim |
| 13:58.17 | asg | meneg: install vim? |
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| 13:58.24 | meneg | do you have current unstable? |
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| 13:58.41 | blondie | vi doesn't behave like vim because it doesn't have the ability |
| 13:58.42 | meneg | vi from vim .deb behaves differently |
| 13:58.48 | meneg | .. |
| 13:58.59 | blondie | if you have vim and vi installed on debian, they're exactly the same |
| 13:59.00 | meneg | it's an update from yesterday, trust me |
| 13:59.02 | jbrimble | under debian, where's the default apache2 www directory? |
| 13:59.04 | blondie | i.e vi is a symlink to vim |
| 13:59.09 | blondie | jbrimble: /var/www |
| 13:59.10 | meneg | no it's not |
| 13:59.13 | kyo | I don't know but I donwload the http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/3.1_r2/i386/iso-cd/ date 20/04/2006 |
| 13:59.14 | blondie | yes it is |
| 13:59.15 | jbrimble | thankyou blondie |
| 13:59.17 | meneg | .. |
| 13:59.28 | humblebit | Hi folks, what options do I need to enable in a 2.6 kernel so that I can boot with a SATA HD without initrd? I've been trying several without success. |
| 13:59.28 | meneg | im telling you it's an update on sid from yesterday |
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| 13:59.42 | Tassium | blondie: It uses /etc/alternatives. vim will "provide" vi, unless you override it. (IIRC, anyway) |
| 13:59.44 | asg | meneg: then check the bts, the changelog, and README's in /usr/share/doc/vim. |
| 13:59.53 | blondie | Tassium: yes |
| 13:59.55 | kyo | I was thinking to download the drivers |
| 13:59.57 | tralala | kyo: okay, search for ati in your config file and replace it with radeon |
| 14:00.12 | kyo | only radeon |
| 14:00.19 | tralala | yes |
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| 14:00.38 | blondie | /usr/bin/vi -> /etc/alternatives/vi -> /usr/bin/vim |
| 14:00.38 | kyo | ok thanks very much |
| 14:00.43 | C2H5OH | hello |
| 14:01.15 | meneg | blondie what distribution is that? |
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| 14:01.21 | blondie | debian |
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| 14:01.30 | blondie | stable and testing both have it that way |
| 14:01.34 | meneg | ok, i have that symlink too |
| 14:01.54 | meneg | but when invocted like "vi" now it uses virc instead of vimrc |
| 14:01.57 | meneg | a different conf |
| 14:02.05 | blondie | oh |
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| 14:02.10 | meneg | however, if i symlink virc to vimrc it still behaves differently |
| 14:02.12 | blondie | alias vi=vim |
| 14:02.18 | C2H5OH | how can I make nautilus launch gvim giving it paths wigthout the file:// prefix? |
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| 14:02.31 | blondie | programs can tell how they were launched, but an alias should "fix" it |
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| 14:02.35 | meneg | it's a file in there /etc/vim/virc that is used now |
| 14:02.44 | hejux | i must reinstall debian |
| 14:02.46 | blondie | or symlink virc to vimrc :) |
| 14:02.57 | meneg | blondie: i did and still doesn't behave the same |
| 14:03.11 | blondie | with alias vi=vim? |
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| 14:03.21 | humblebit | !SATA |
| 14:03.22 | dpkg | Ideally you want Jeff Garzik's libata patch against 2.4.x. See http://lwn.net/Articles/52488/ . For a netinst w/libata, see http://oregonstate.edu/~kveton/debian/ to make one with a custom kernel, or http://linuxmafia.com/faq/Hardware/sata.html for more options. ("You can tell the pioneers by the arrows in their backs."), or use a 2.6 kernel for less pain, or you must enable CONFIG_SCSI_SATA and your SATA driver for this to work |
| 14:03.27 | meneg | alias? |
| 14:03.31 | blondie | yes |
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| 14:03.42 | mal_ | hi |
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| 14:03.53 | meneg | it reads: Vim configuration file, in effect when invoked as "vi" |
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| 14:04.03 | blondie | type: alias vi=vim |
| 14:04.04 | meneg | what else can i do other than symlink it? |
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| 14:04.11 | meneg | ah |
| 14:04.14 | bibe | Tassium : as you said, no problem when e2fsck'ing a mounted (ro) loop device, only five short write warnings |
| 14:04.16 | blondie | then try vi |
| 14:04.18 | mal_ | I've got an error message preceded by a red asterisk at boot, Where does debian log these messages? |
| 14:04.24 | kyo | somebody can tell me how to install eclipse? |
| 14:04.27 | humblebit | pzn, whow no one knows how to boot a SATA HD? |
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| 14:04.31 | blondie | mal_: try dmesg? |
| 14:04.32 | meneg | blondie: where, in vim? |
| 14:04.34 | zamaliphe | libpango1.0-dev: Depends: libpango1.0-0 (= 1.8.2-3) but 1.12.1-3 is to be installed |
| 14:04.34 | bibe | Tassium : but remounting it still says 'running e2fsck is recommended' |
| 14:04.38 | meneg | blondie: and :q? |
| 14:04.44 | mal_ | it's not in dmesg |
| 14:04.46 | asg | mal_: if bootlog is enabled, /var/log/boot |
| 14:04.52 | blondie | meneg: no, from bash |
| 14:05.02 | blondie | it tells bash to run vim instead of vi |
| 14:05.03 | meneg | ah |
| 14:05.10 | Tenshi | does anyone know the directive in the cupsd.conf to tell cups to broadcast its printers so that they show up automagically on all the other cups clients? |
| 14:05.10 | asg | mal_: if it isn't, enable it (/etc/default/bootlogd). rinse, repeat. |
| 14:05.13 | meneg | ah i see, yeah ok |
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| 14:05.20 | meneg | quite a hack there |
| 14:05.21 | mal_ | ok |
| 14:05.33 | meneg | (even though symlinking is worse) |
| 14:05.37 | zamaliphe | how to force apt to install an older ver of libgtk2 |
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| 14:06.15 | meneg | i'd say "man preferences" but it isn't easy to get it |
| 14:06.20 | meneg | :< |
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| 14:06.35 | bibe | Tenshi : I think it's BrowseAllow @LOCAL |
| 14:06.47 | asg | zamaliphe: downgrades are not supported but you can find previous versions at snapshot.debian.net |
| 14:07.26 | blondie | meneg: you can put that in .bashrc if you want |
| 14:07.33 | meneg | or in profile |
| 14:07.54 | Tenshi | bibe: thanks, looking now |
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| 14:08.12 | blondie | meneg: I wouldn't put it in there, as alias's syntax is shell-specific |
| 14:08.34 | meneg | oh |
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| 14:08.50 | bobesponja | is there a tool to autoconfigure xorg? |
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| 14:09.07 | meneg | blondie: I had some probs having aliases both in xterm and console |
| 14:09.36 | meneg | blondie: i think bashrc only did xterm |
| 14:09.55 | meneg | .. but bash_profile may do the rest, not sure.. |
| 14:09.55 | blondie | no it doesn't, but you might need to log out and back in |
| 14:10.06 | asg | bobesponja: /msg dpkg drxx |
| 14:10.19 | meneg | ye, after relogin of course it wouldnt set it in getty |
| 14:10.32 | meneg | but it was a bit back, ill try again |
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| 14:12.17 | novata_peleona | anyone uses postfix ? ->invalid/host-not-in-DNS return address not allowed |
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| 14:12.59 | asg | novata_peleona: check the documentation in the postfix-doc package. There is a config parameter to unset that if you wish |
| 14:13.03 | Oldak2 | Ok. The computer doesn't have an internet connection. But x11-common has uninstalled itself and I've lost my GUI |
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| 14:13.10 | asg | novata_peleona: #postfix will probably know it off the top of their heads |
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| 14:13.43 | Oldak2 | I had problems when I was "apt-get upgrade"ing where it couldn't unpack the .deb |
| 14:14.24 | Tassium | Oldak2: Did you by chance run out of disk space? |
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| 14:14.42 | Oldak2 | No, I don't believe I did. |
| 14:14.47 | mutante | df -h |
| 14:15.05 | Oldak2 | 2.2G available |
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| 14:15.54 | kyo | can I write on window partitions ntfs? |
| 14:16.09 | jlaw | basically not |
| 14:16.15 | jlaw | you can install suse |
| 14:16.21 | fran30val | ALGUIEN DE ESPAÑA |
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| 14:16.23 | asg | !es |
| 14:16.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:16.27 | jlaw | it comes up with a ntfs module |
| 14:16.34 | meneg | you can write if you make a file from windows and mount it on linux |
| 14:16.38 | jetscreamer | ext3 makes 3 or 4 gigs of inodes for a 100 gig drive |
| 14:16.44 | meneg | (but it's basically rubbish) |
| 14:16.46 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 14:16.46 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:16.49 | jetscreamer | gah |
| 14:17.09 | fran30val | DONDE ESTAS EL DEBIAN ES |
| 14:17.20 | jetscreamer | mira, leer |
| 14:17.23 | jetscreamer | !es |
| 14:17.24 | dpkg | Hispanohablantes: Por favor usen #debian-es, alli obtendran mas ayuda. Spanish Speakers: Please use #debian-es, there you will get much more help. |
| 14:17.26 | asg | fran30val: usen #debian-es |
| 14:17.35 | kspath | fran30val: /join #debian-es |
| 14:17.37 | asg | fran30val: /join #debian-es |
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| 14:17.46 | kspath | fran30val: Solamente Ingles #debian |
| 14:17.55 | jetscreamer | como se dice NO CAPS |
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| 14:18.01 | fran30val | VALE NO LO SABIAN XAO |
| 14:18.03 | abrotman | DONDE ESTA EL BANO?!?! |
| 14:18.04 | Oldak2 | I can post the full error message - where can I find a free paste-board? |
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| 14:18.10 | blondie | fran30val: ASDSLADSADSA:LE! |
| 14:18.15 | kspath | fran30val: adios |
| 14:18.36 | asg | Oldak2: /msg dpkg paster |
| 14:19.25 | jetscreamer | a 20 year old joke: hola felipe, como aessta. es tu, por que? |
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| 14:19.38 | jetscreamer | you have to be there though |
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| 14:19.59 | jetscreamer | !laugh |
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| 14:21.52 | jlaw | !masturbate |
| 14:21.52 | dpkg | hmm... masturbate is wanking Everytime you masturbate... God kills a kitten. Please. Think of the kittens. moving prepoucius up and down fastly too |
| 14:22.13 | kspath | jlaw: purpose? |
| 14:22.15 | jlaw | this bot has a incredible knowledge |
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| 14:23.27 | botox | hi, ive put together an embedded o/s built on debian, there is no root password. how can i log into wu-ftpd as root but without a password? |
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| 14:24.19 | Vme- | hello |
| 14:24.28 | botox | hi |
| 14:24.44 | Vme- | how can you tell if your sound card loaded correctly? |
| 14:24.46 | Oldak2 | http://channels.debian.net/paste/2571 - this is my error message |
| 14:24.53 | botox | play something through it |
| 14:24.54 | Vme- | i have no speakers |
| 14:24.57 | C2H5OH | how can I make nautilus launch gvim giving it paths without the file:// prefix? |
| 14:24.57 | Vme- | or monitor |
| 14:24.58 | Vme- | etc.. |
| 14:25.01 | Vme- | its all remote |
| 14:25.04 | botox | what card is it? |
| 14:25.06 | Vme- | Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corporation 82801EB/ER (ICH5/ICH5R) AC'97 Audio Controller (rev 02) |
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| 14:25.12 | Oldak2 | The computer has no connection (it requires HTML login) and no GUI |
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| 14:25.34 | botox | look through /var/log/dmesg |
| 14:25.34 | botox | see if it is there |
| 14:25.38 | botox | then try running a cmd line mp3 player or something, look for error |
| 14:25.49 | asg | Vme-: cat /dev/urandom > /dev/dsp (does it return an error or just seem to hang?) |
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| 14:26.03 | Vme- | i don't have a /dev/dsp |
| 14:26.13 | Vme- | that is why i'm thinking something is incorrect :) |
| 14:26.25 | botox | vme, look through dmesg, see if it is listed |
| 14:26.25 | asg | Vme-: yes, something is incorrect. Does dmesg indicate anything? |
| 14:26.34 | Vme- | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 14:26.49 | Oldak2 | Is there anyway to roll back to an old version of x11? |
| 14:27.09 | asg | Vme-: just rm /dev/dsp since you just created a very large file or randomness |
| 14:27.22 | Vme- | its not |
| 14:27.43 | Vme- | i did "dmesg | grep audio" |
| 14:27.50 | Vme- | "dmesg | grep AC" |
| 14:27.51 | Vme- | etc.. |
| 14:27.54 | Vme- | nothing shows up |
| 14:28.02 | botox | then it isnt there, perhaps load it as a module.. |
| 14:28.12 | Vme- | i have it compiled as a modules |
| 14:28.16 | Vme- | i'm almost positive |
| 14:28.17 | botox | lsmod |
| 14:28.19 | botox | is it therE? |
| 14:28.31 | Vme- | /lib/modules/2.6.16.15.05172006.3/kernel/sound/pci/snd-via82xx.ko |
| 14:28.31 | Vme- | /lib/modules/2.6.16.15.05172006.3/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-bus.ko |
| 14:28.31 | Vme- | /lib/modules/2.6.16.15.05172006.3/kernel/sound/pci/ac97/snd-ac97-codec.ko |
| 14:28.34 | Vme- | those 3 |
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| 14:28.43 | Vme- | sorry |
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| 14:29.21 | Vme- | i tried modprobe snd-via82xx.ko |
| 14:29.27 | kastberg | without .ko |
| 14:29.30 | Vme- | but said it didn't exist |
| 14:29.31 | Vme- | hrm |
| 14:29.33 | Vme- | woops |
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| 14:29.52 | phaedrus_ | y0 |
| 14:29.56 | jetscreamer | you don't add the .ko |
| 14:30.02 | jetscreamer | just snd-whatever |
| 14:30.23 | Vme- | yea, that worked |
| 14:30.31 | Vme- | but nothing showed up in dmesg |
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| 14:30.40 | jetscreamer | !tell Vme- -about paste |
| 14:31.15 | Vme- | i have /dev/snd now |
| 14:31.17 | botox | !BEER |
| 14:31.17 | dpkg | beer is, like, liquid gold mate |
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| 14:32.24 | bobesponja | i did md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5, I also did so with Xwrapper and X but it dpkg-reconfigure still won't save my new config file |
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| 14:34.13 | bobesponja | any one? :) |
| 14:34.16 | pyroplasm | try /var/lib/xfree86/xorg.conf.md5sum |
| 14:34.25 | bobesponja | k |
| 14:34.51 | bobesponja | pyroplasm doesn't exists |
| 14:34.52 | phaedrus_ | how do i find out what video card i have withoput popping open the case? |
| 14:34.57 | Oldak | Anyone help with my X11 woes? |
| 14:35.13 | nse | phaedrus_: lspci |
| 14:35.21 | Tassium | phaedrus_: Boot the machine. Look at the Video BIOS splash screen |
| 14:35.27 | pyroplasm | whichever path it is. I think the problem is that the file is named .md5sum |
| 14:35.46 | phaedrus_ | ah...thank you |
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| 14:36.03 | phaedrus_ | does lspci cover agp? |
| 14:36.16 | Oldak | How can I get a command-line process to abort |
| 14:36.28 | stew | Oldak: man kill ; man pkill |
| 14:36.44 | stew | phaedrus_: yes |
| 14:36.45 | bobesponja | pyroplasm well isn't it supposed to be /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5sum? |
| 14:36.52 | phaedrus_ | Oldak: ctrl + c ? |
| 14:36.55 | phaedrus_ | ok thank you |
| 14:37.17 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 14:37.17 | dpkg | from memory, popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 14:37.19 | Oldak | Danke |
| 14:37.30 | pyroplasm | bobesponja: < bobesponja> i did md5sum /etc/X11/xorg.conf > /var/lib/x11/xorg.conf.md5 |
| 14:37.46 | pyroplasm | I suppose the filename should be .md5sum |
| 14:38.53 | green_earz | phaedrus_: lspci -v to find out what the vidoe card is, and to what its module is chech out > http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ |
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| 14:39.57 | phaedrus_ | thanks gree_earz |
| 14:40.01 | green_earz | np |
| 14:40.08 | phaedrus_ | thanks green_earz : 0 |
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| 14:41.04 | phaedrus_ | how do i copy from bash shell? |
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| 14:42.30 | tarzeau | phaedrus_: cp |
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| 14:42.47 | Vme- | sweet |
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| 14:42.48 | Vme- | i was missing a module compiled into the kernel for my sound |
| 14:42.48 | tarzeau | Vme-: which? |
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| 14:42.49 | Vme- | <M> Intel/SiS/nVidia/AMD/ALi AC97 Controller |
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| 14:42.50 | phaedrus_ | how do i copy from bash shell? |
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| 14:42.50 | Vme- | is there a way to run "depmod -a" for the kernel you are about to boot to?? |
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| 14:42.56 | Tassium | phaedrus_: Copy what? Files? cp source dest |
| 14:43.10 | Vme- | because i compile my kernel with this:fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version=.05172006.3 --added-modules=ndiswrapper kernel_image modules_image |
| 14:43.29 | Vme- | and my ndiswrapper doesn't load till i do a depmod -a after i reboot |
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| 14:43.45 | phaedrus_ | uh..just copy the output of lspci |
| 14:43.50 | phaedrus_ | copy text from bash |
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| 14:44.13 | Oldak | Ouch - just did "apt-get remove x11-common" and it removed all my GUI-based software |
| 14:44.30 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 14:45.07 | Tassium | phaedrus_: Redirect it to a file. lspci > somefilename |
| 14:45.15 | phaedrus_ | oh..thanks |
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| 14:46.31 | stew | Oldak: it wouldn't have removed it without warning you first |
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| 14:47.58 | Vme- | or perhaps, is there a way to run "depmod -a" at boot time? |
| 14:48.10 | Vme- | so it updates my modules at every boot |
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| 14:48.21 | Tassium | Vme-: I think it already does that |
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| 14:48.44 | snyff | hi |
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| 14:49.08 | snyff | just a question : how are debian installcd create ? |
| 14:49.14 | Vme- | no, because my ndiswrapper doesn't load |
| 14:49.15 | snyff | is there a build tools ? |
| 14:49.16 | abrotman | with a little TLC |
| 14:49.23 | abrotman | !custom netinst |
| 14:49.23 | dpkg | custom netinst is probably http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 14:49.40 | Vme- | once it boots i run 'depmod -a' then 'modprobe ndiswrapper' and it loads fine |
| 14:49.42 | elephantMan | Hi all |
| 14:49.44 | abrotman | snyff: or ask #debian-boot |
| 14:49.44 | Vme- | but it fails on boot |
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| 14:49.55 | elephantMan | Is there a technique to "join" to computer to make one server ? |
| 14:49.56 | Ronin | snyff: what error? |
| 14:50.00 | elephantMan | to = two |
| 14:50.05 | Ronin | never mind heh |
| 14:50.38 | elephantMan | Isn't this 'clustering' ? |
| 14:50.59 | snyff | thanks |
| 14:51.08 | peppet | elephantMan: yes |
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| 14:52.21 | Oldak | How can I configure dhclient to search for eth1 (as well as eth0) on startup? |
| 14:52.24 | elephantMan | peppet, ok thanx - Is it hard to setup for a regular linux user ? |
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| 14:52.53 | el_cubano | Are people still not getting any mail from lists.d.o? |
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| 14:53.51 | kspath | el_cubano: I have numerous emails from debian mailing lists |
| 14:53.58 | Vme- | Can i just manually edit the modules.dep and put in modules? |
| 14:54.03 | jetscreamer | ext3 makes 3 or 4 gigs of inodes for a 100 gig drive. so which fs is better ? |
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| 14:54.13 | jetscreamer | s/drive/partition/ |
| 14:54.52 | kspath | Does dpkg have a !start fs war ? |
| 14:54.56 | jetscreamer | or should i manually adjust the inode count (/me doan wanna) |
| 14:55.00 | jetscreamer | yes think so |
| 14:55.00 | Oldak | I've just reinstalled x-window-system and restarted but the GUI login didn't appear |
| 14:55.17 | jetscreamer | Oldak: you reinstalled a metapackage |
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| 14:55.40 | Oldak | Well, I removed x11-common which removed all GUI-based software |
| 14:55.41 | jetscreamer | Oldak: gdm/kdm/xdm? dpkg-reconfigure one of them |
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| 14:57.00 | mikeX | hello, is the XkbLayout format different in Xorg 6.9 (debian etch), than in previous/later versions? I have us,el and XkbOptions grp:menu_toggle, but I can't seem to change the layout (gpr:alt_shift_toggle didn't work either) |
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| 14:58.01 | DrNach | what do I need to install so Ark can view .deb files? |
| 14:58.03 | davi_ | What Unicode fonts could I install in my Debian Sarge ? |
| 14:58.26 | mikeX | davi_: ttf-freefont for one |
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| 14:58.41 | davi_ | thanks mikeX |
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| 14:59.08 | chealer9 | DrNach: ask #debian-kde |
| 14:59.27 | jelly-ho | jetscreamer: so don't create as much inodes. |
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| 15:00.08 | jetscreamer | jelly-ho: it's the defaults, and i don't really want to mess with tuning the fs if i don't know wtf i'm doing |
| 15:00.14 | jelly-ho | jetscreamer: use -T largefile, -T largefile4 or specify # of inodes explicitely. |
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| 15:00.48 | Oldak | How do I launch KDE from the TUI? |
| 15:00.50 | jelly-ho | jetscreamer: rtfm for -T, and choose the appropriate |
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| 15:01.28 | jetscreamer | Oldak: startkde maybe |
| 15:01.34 | jetscreamer | if you mean cli |
| 15:01.57 | jetscreamer | apt-get install kdm if you don't have it, oldak, easiest way |
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| 15:02.31 | MrNaz | why the hell did Sun, a server oem, choose to support Ubuntu over Debian stable?! |
| 15:02.39 | jelly-ho | jetscreamer: also add -O sparse_super if you create large partitions. Hmm, that option may even be on by default these days. |
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| 15:04.00 | jelly-ho | MrNaz: support in what? |
| 15:04.13 | woodland | is there any channel for totem-xine |
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| 15:04.30 | chealer9 | MrNaz: ask #debian-offtopic |
| 15:04.38 | kspath | woodland: Did you try #totem-xine or #totem or #xine? |
| 15:04.47 | woodland | kspath, no, i will try |
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| 15:05.10 | Slaughter | hi all |
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| 15:05.58 | jetscreamer | jelly-ho: i'll give it a shot. when i empty out the fs i guess.... |
| 15:06.12 | aidehua | Is there anything for drawing pretty graphs (pie charts, bar charts, etc.) anyone can recommend? gnuplot, GD::Graph gdchart are all a bit... unpretty :) |
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| 15:06.51 | stew | ambroseL: what about oocalc? |
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| 15:06.57 | kspath | aidehua: apt-cache search chart ? |
| 15:07.16 | kspath | aidehua: open office ? |
| 15:07.31 | stew | oh i meant aidehua not ambroseL |
| 15:07.41 | aidehua | Hmmm: scripted open office -- not an implausible idea. |
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| 15:11.11 | lastnode | scripted open office? |
| 15:11.25 | jelly-ho | MrNaz: support for what? |
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| 15:12.04 | kastberg | openoffice is xml, so it'd be somewhat hot |
| 15:12.14 | woodland | what is gnome channel |
| 15:12.30 | kspath | woodland: #gnome and #debian-gnome ? |
| 15:12.42 | kspath | woodland: /msg dpkg gnome |
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| 15:13.22 | MrNaz | jelly-ho general statement of support... i.e., apparently they would be helping to make ubuntu server-ready presumably as an option for their clients who want linux preinstalled instead of solaris |
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| 15:13.49 | |ac3| | hi |
| 15:13.50 | kspath | MrNaz: off-topic |
| 15:13.55 | Linuturk | I'm trying to install debian ppc sarge on a G3 All in One, and I can't figure out how to boot to the cd |
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| 15:14.37 | kspath | Linuturk: #debian-ppc ? |
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| 15:14.47 | |ac3| | is here a deban apache2 php threadsafe package? I want to use apache2-mpm-worker in stead of apache2-mpm-prefork |
| 15:14.49 | Linuturk | didn't know that existed |
| 15:15.02 | asg | Linuturk: and also #debianppc |
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| 15:15.04 | vipersniper | what does this mean "IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host" |
| 15:15.10 | jjazz | aidehua: Check out scilab, R, gTybalt |
| 15:15.23 | botox | hi, i want to use wu-ftpd, with root login but no password required |
| 15:15.24 | botox | any ideas? |
| 15:15.42 | abrotman | let's make an insecure protocol .. less secure? |
| 15:15.51 | onetinsoldier | haha |
| 15:15.52 | botox | yes, special circumstances though |
| 15:15.54 | botox | :) |
| 15:15.55 | petemc | botox: thats preposterous |
| 15:16.07 | botox | yes it is, but not for the task i intend to accomplish |
| 15:16.35 | Ronin | botox: getting a box owned? |
| 15:16.40 | asg | botox: why not use tftp |
| 15:16.57 | botox | look, i have to use wu-ftp. |
| 15:17.04 | asg | erm, why? |
| 15:17.05 | botox | i know all about the security issues.. |
| 15:17.21 | Tassium | If you know all about the security issues, you would never ask for a root login for ANY service, especially without a password |
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| 15:17.29 | botox | yawn |
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| 15:18.01 | botox | this particular system requires root access, without password for ftp |
| 15:18.02 | botox | its inside a vpn anyway |
| 15:18.05 | botox | any ideas? |
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| 15:18.18 | stew | botox: you need to be able to log in as root using ftp? |
| 15:18.19 | gdb | Sorry, coming into this late, but why can't you use ssh host keys and scp? |
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| 15:18.25 | kspath | Tassium: Do not try to bring logic into their worlds. You might confuse them. |
| 15:18.39 | botox | yeh, that ssh is not an option at the moment either |
| 15:18.49 | abrotman | rlogin? |
| 15:18.55 | botox | have to use ftp for this task |
| 15:18.59 | abrotman | why? |
| 15:19.01 | gdb | Honestly, if you have a vendor application that requires unsecured remote root access via ftp, you need to work with the vendor to correct that. |
| 15:19.11 | zinx | probably a school project |
| 15:19.26 | gdb | We run into crap like this all the time here (specifically with distributed monitoring packages) and we get the vendor to provide a workaround or a fix. |
| 15:19.36 | zinx | or some more nefarious purpose |
| 15:19.40 | botox | its not a school project, not nefarious |
| 15:19.42 | kspath | gdb: I suspect that the person(s) do not want to use something proven, tested, and secure. |
| 15:19.44 | zinx | whatever. |
| 15:19.47 | zinx | it's one or the other. |
| 15:20.00 | zinx | at least, as long as you plan on keeping it secret :D |
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| 15:20.13 | vipersniper | what does this mean "IceTransSocketUNIXConnect: Cannot connect to non-local host" anyone |
| 15:20.15 | abrotman | botox: but why root .. and why wu-ftpd ? |
| 15:20.21 | Tassium | zinx: Security through obscurity? That's no security at all. |
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| 15:20.48 | gdb | kspath: Yeah, it took forever to get the company here to standardize on ssh. In fact, telnet is "banned" according to our POPI standard now (Protection of Proprietary Information). |
| 15:20.48 | zinx | Tassium: way to lack reading comprehension... |
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| 15:20.54 | cahoot | Tassium: obsecurity? |
| 15:21.05 | Ronin | and if its a school project why not figure it out yourself instead of having us do your work for you? :) |
| 15:21.12 | gdb | Tassium: He was being sarcastic. |
| 15:21.16 | jelly-ho | gdb: what about a vendor that bases its (6-7 figure voip) solution on redhat 7.2 with preinstalled wu-ftpd? ;-) |
| 15:21.18 | gdb | Tassium: You smoke eatered the joke. |
| 15:21.22 | gdb | heh |
| 15:21.35 | Tassium | gdb: Smoke eatered? |
| 15:21.37 | gdb | jelly-ho: ug .. Is that what this is? |
| 15:22.09 | gdb | Tassium: Yeah, it's a reference to this guy on a BBS I frequent that never gets the joke and says something that makes him end up lookign foolish. It's a good natured rib, not trying to ride you or anything. ;-) |
| 15:22.10 | jelly-ho | gdb: don't know about this one, but we have one like that here. |
| 15:22.12 | kspath | Ronin: Many people do not want to learn in school anymore. They want to survive "school" and get a piece of paper. |
| 15:22.19 | abrotman | i got one! |
| 15:22.27 | gdb | He goes by the name Smoke Eater. |
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| 15:22.45 | asg | abrotman: a Employee of the Month certificate from Burger King U doesn't count |
| 15:22.50 | Ronin | kspath: i can understand the surviving part, never was much of a student in school :) |
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| 15:22.54 | Tassium | gdb: Bah, it's IRC. Miscommunication happens. |
| 15:23.06 | moegel | talk about off-topic ! sheeh |
| 15:23.23 | gdb | jelly-ho: Well, is it 7.2 or 7.3 that's still in legacy? I can't recall (and don't want to go look), I can understand using if there is some "support" out there, but yes, not migrating to someone newer than 7.2 is really inexcusable. |
| 15:23.24 | abrotman | asg: it was Wendy's! |
| 15:23.27 | gdb | Tassium: No worries. :-) |
| 15:23.31 | asg | abrotman: right |
| 15:23.42 | gdb | er not migrating to *something* newer |
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| 15:25.05 | gdb | I do have a curiosity question for the channel here. What is the feeling between the Debian and Ubuntu communities? I'm not exactly understanding that relationship and I'm curious how Debian folks feel about what Ubuntu is doing or how you feel the project goals diverge. |
| 15:25.06 | dondelelcaro | ugh. |
| 15:25.48 | Ronin | gdb: got no problem with ubuntu, just with its users would learn how to read :) |
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| 15:26.01 | onetinsoldier | hi, i could be wrong but i believe i have discovered somewhat nasty kernel bug(system lockup) with the framebuffer driver(radeonfb) in regards to my system. and likely for other people with a similar system configuration. but i sure wouldn't mind someone helping make sure it's a bug and not user error. |
| 15:26.08 | Spliffster | high room, i want to remove a deb package with a broken postrm script (returns 1) ... i couldn't find how to force remove such a package in the dpkg man page. any hint ? |
| 15:26.34 | blondie | Ronin: I wish some debian users would learn how to write :) |
| 15:26.40 | jelly-ho | gdb: apparently we mustn't put any new binaries on the systems, I'm not sure if that means must not upgrade too. Gotta love their proprietary 4MB kernel modules though. |
| 15:26.43 | gdb | Ronin, blondie: lol |
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| 15:26.54 | Ronin | blondie: that too but the more i type the less literate i become i swear |
| 15:26.56 | asg | Spliffster: put exit 0 at the end of the postrm script, remove the package, perform any cleanup manually |
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| 15:27.16 | gdb | jelly-ho: Ah, that kernel module would be the kicker. Isn't 7.2 running a 2.2 based kernel? |
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| 15:27.21 | asg | Spliffster: look for it in /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 15:27.25 | Spliffster | asg ty ... so there is no force attribute (or something) for dpkg |
| 15:27.31 | gdb | jelly-ho: If it's not, it's a really old 2.4. |
| 15:27.36 | kspath | Ronin: The more you notice a lack of literacy? |
| 15:27.40 | asg | Spliffster: dpkg --force-help |
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| 15:27.48 | Spliffster | asg, many thanks |
| 15:27.53 | Spliffster | i owe you 1 |
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| 15:28.00 | asg | you're welcome |
| 15:28.18 | kspath | Ronin: Some great minds say/said that is part of learning. As you learn you learn that you lack some/much knowledge yet. |
| 15:28.43 | Ronin | kspath: that or im just getting dumber the older i get :) |
| 15:28.51 | jetscreamer | gtg |
| 15:29.12 | kspath | Ronin: Forgeting some things is not necessarily getting "dumber". |
| 15:29.29 | Ryushin | Has anyone heard if/when we will see thunderbird 1.5 hit unstable? |
| 15:29.34 | jelly-ho | gdb: it's an 2.4.single-number I think. I have 2.4.2 on a RH7.1 machine. ;-) |
| 15:30.03 | chealer9 | !tell Ryushin about info thunderbird |
| 15:31.41 | chealer9 | Ryushin: hum...did dpkg tell you that it was already in sid? |
| 15:32.04 | nse | does P4VMM2 supports ddr 333mhz? it does for 200mhz and 266mhz |
| 15:32.13 | chealer9 | ah, only took 2 minutes :) |
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| 15:35.52 | cliffd | im trying to install etch, but It doesnt see my cdrom, sarge would but I need 2.6.15 for SATA support. any ideas? |
| 15:36.09 | blondie | define doesn't see it? |
| 15:36.20 | petemc | cliffd: theres a sarge installer with a 2.6.15 kernel |
| 15:36.20 | cliffd | blondie: it says it cant load the module/detect the cdrom |
| 15:36.31 | cliffd | petemc is that the one from the .jp site? |
| 15:36.33 | petemc | last time i tried it it locked up hard tho |
| 15:36.35 | petemc | yeah |
| 15:36.58 | cliffd | can you have the bot tell me the url please? |
| 15:37.01 | Spliffster | asg: thanks for the info on the scripts ocation of dpkg, after correcting the pkg.*rm scripts it went smoothly. and in some absolutely unrelated news: in soviet russia dpkg fore removes you! |
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| 15:37.12 | petemc | !+sarge 2.6.15 |
| 15:37.13 | dpkg | i guess sarge 2.6.15 is http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615.htm or for amd64/em64t http://kmuto.jp/b.cgi/debian/d-i-2615-amd64.htm |
| 15:37.21 | cliffd | petemc: thanks. |
| 15:37.27 | petemc | no sweat# |
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| 15:37.43 | abrotman | there's a 2.6.14 too |
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| 15:37.58 | onetinsoldier | hi, i could be wrong but i believe i have discovered somewhat nasty kernel bug(system lockup) with the framebuffer driver(radeonfb) in regards to my system. and likely for other people with a similar system configuration. but i sure wouldn't mind someone helping make sure it's a bug and not user error. |
| 15:37.59 | wmcinnis | hi is there a program like ntsysv in fedora to start and stop services? |
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| 15:38.11 | cliffd | abrotman: is there any reason not to use the 2.6.15? |
| 15:38.15 | kspath | dondelelcaro: I told dpkg to forget cheese and milk and dpkg put me on ignore and has remained so since. |
| 15:38.17 | asg | wmcinnis: invoke-rc.d |
| 15:38.20 | abrotman | cliffd: it probably uses yaird .. |
| 15:38.27 | asg | wmcinnis: if you mean configure, try rcconf or update-rc.d |
| 15:38.30 | cliffd | abrotman: no idea what that is |
| 15:38.32 | jelly-ho | wmcinnis: update-rc.d |
| 15:38.38 | yang | Why do I get message - 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 185 not upgraded. when I do apt-get upgrade....why doesnt it upgrade all packages? |
| 15:38.52 | abrotman | yang: try a dist-upgrade ... and hold on |
| 15:38.54 | asg | yang: did you do apt-get update first? |
| 15:38.54 | wmcinnis | iam thinking of changing my server to debian |
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| 15:38.56 | abrotman | !tell yang about held back |
| 15:38.58 | wmcinnis | but one question |
| 15:39.09 | wmcinnis | what version do i use |
| 15:39.11 | wmcinnis | sarge |
| 15:39.12 | wmcinnis | etch |
| 15:39.15 | wmcinnis | what is better |
| 15:39.18 | abrotman | sarge for a server is most likely the best option |
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| 15:39.20 | asg | wmcinnis: sarge for servers |
| 15:39.27 | kspath | wmcinnis: define "better" |
| 15:39.30 | wmcinnis | but is it not outdated? |
| 15:39.31 | yang | abrotman: why dist-upgrade, I allready upgraded to etch? |
| 15:39.35 | wmcinnis | i need the 2.6 kernel |
| 15:39.39 | abrotman | wmcinnis: it has a 2.6 kernel |
| 15:39.40 | asg | wmcinnis: sarge has 2.6 |
| 15:39.43 | kspath | wmcinnis: linux26 during install |
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| 15:39.46 | abrotman | yang: you can argue .. or do it |
| 15:40.06 | oboy | In order to avoid module forcedeth to load when booting i did: "modprobe -r forcedeth" then "nano /etc/modprobe.d/nvnet" and I wrote "alias forcedeth off", I also rebuild the initrd. But forcedeth is still loading on boot :-( |
| 15:40.20 | asg | oboy: make sure it isn't in /etc/modules also |
| 15:40.36 | oboy | ok |
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| 15:40.58 | cliffd | is it possible to see in the sarge install what cdrom module/dev location its using? |
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| 15:41.43 | jerome | any ejabberd maintainer there ? |
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| 15:41.53 | oboy | no, the module isn't in /etc/modules |
| 15:42.00 | jelly-ho | wmcinnis: it really depends what do you need 2.6 for. sarge has 2.6.8, if thats not good enough you could build your own kernels. |
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| 15:42.11 | redphoenix1 | hello i am runnning debian unstable i am trying to load the i915 module into xorg i installed it myself (as its not in unstable right now) but i get an error when xorg tries to load it |
| 15:42.13 | redphoenix1 | (EE) LoadModule: Module dri/i915_dri does not have a i915_driModuleData data object. |
| 15:42.21 | eyesee | hi, guys, I am new to debian, so this maybe quite a easy question to you. I have just setup my linux/ubuntu, and when I execute "/etc/init.d/networking restart", I meet the following errors "Error : Temporary failure in name resolution", could you point me that what is my problem, any comments are appreciated. thanks. |
| 15:42.21 | eyesee | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:43.10 | Tassium | eyesee: I'm sorry, are you running Debian or Ubuntu? |
| 15:43.22 | kspath | eyesee: This channel supports Debian. It does not support "linux/ubuntu". |
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| 15:43.34 | oboy | :D |
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| 15:44.06 | kspath | eyesee: There is a ##linux and there is a #ubuntu for you situations. |
| 15:44.16 | kspath | s/you/your/ |
| 15:44.20 | eyesee | is ubuntu similar to debian? |
| 15:44.21 | woodland | could there be virus in wmv files |
| 15:44.25 | Ronin | !based on |
| 15:44.25 | dpkg | You're not running Debian, but a distribution that uses the same package management system, but not the same packages. You can't use packages from Debian with Ubuntu, or packages from Mepis with Knoppix. That is why we cannot help you, you will need to visit the IRC channels of the respective distributions. See <Ubuntu> <Knoppix> <Kanotix> <Mepis> |
| 15:44.28 | eyesee | okay, sorry:( |
| 15:44.36 | cliffd | I have a stupid question, if I boot sarge install cd and use the 2.4 install it sees my cd and HDD, if I boot sarge install 2.6 it sees the cd but no hdd, and if I boot etch install it sees no CD any ideas? can the sarge 2.6 install tell me what cd module to load for the etch install? |
| 15:45.08 | asg | cliffd: install with 2.4, apt-get install kernel-image (and pick and install a 2.6 image) afterwards |
| 15:45.16 | kspath | eyesee: Is anything similar to anything else? |
| 15:45.26 | cliffd | asg, that will have no other effect on the system ? |
| 15:45.34 | cliffd | like udev of devfs? anything legacy? |
| 15:45.45 | asg | cliffd: no, |
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| 15:46.02 | cliffd | asg: ok, thanks much. I will try that now. |
| 15:46.08 | kspath | eyesee: There are separate channels for separate issues/questions. Please understand that. |
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| 15:46.14 | chealer9 | woodland: ask #windows |
| 15:46.18 | mcxian | howdy all. Is there a process for determing mia maintainers? |
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| 15:46.51 | mcxian | dosbox has a few unack'ed nmu over the past two years, and patches for typos in man pages. |
| 15:46.55 | tarzeau | mcxian: hi |
| 15:46.58 | tarzeau | mcxian: noooo nooo |
| 15:47.01 | jmartens | I'm trying to do a remote login via xdmcp to a Debian system, and I've enabled remote logins in gdmsetup, but when I run Xnest, I just get an empty window, not a gdm login screen. |
| 15:47.05 | tarzeau | mcxian: i want dosbox |
| 15:47.12 | mcxian | There is a new version, and a bug of 30 days old requesting it. |
| 15:47.23 | tarzeau | mcxian: http://io.debian.net/~tar/debian/dosbox/ |
| 15:48.05 | mcxian | tarzeau: Thanks. Already saw that. I ended up compiling from source, I was just worried about all debian users for dos box |
| 15:48.31 | tarzeau | mcxian: so was i |
| 15:48.40 | tarzeau | mcxian: but we need to wait. maybe a year, or better two |
| 15:48.43 | abrotman | NMU!!! |
| 15:48.48 | chealer9 | mcxian: did you check qa.d.o? |
| 15:48.59 | tarzeau | abrotman: NM!!! |
| 15:49.05 | mcxian | chealer9: Nope. |
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| 15:49.34 | tarzeau | mcxian: http://io.debian.net/~tar/bugstats/ |
| 15:49.47 | tarzeau | mcxian: it has latest upload fields where you can guess how active someone is |
| 15:50.08 | tarzeau | mcxian: people having not uploaded for a year is probably interesting |
| 15:50.18 | onetinsoldier | hi, i could be wrong but i believe i have discovered somewhat nasty kernel bug(system lockup) with the framebuffer driver(radeonfb) in regards to my system. and likely for other people with a similar system configuration. but i sure wouldn't mind someone helping make sure it's a bug and not user error. |
| 15:50.38 | tarzeau | onetinsoldier: which kernel? x or not? |
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| 15:50.56 | onetinsoldier | debian kernel 2.6.15-1-686 |
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| 15:51.04 | mcxian | tarzeau: Latest Upload is in days correct? 507 |
| 15:51.09 | tarzeau | mcxian: yes |
| 15:51.24 | tarzeau | mcxian: and it's relative to last updated date on the page |
| 15:51.59 | tarzeau | mcxian: are you dd? |
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| 15:52.22 | mcxian | tarzeau: Nope, hense my quandry. |
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| 15:52.43 | mcxian | Anyway to initiate some mia action if you notice an mia maintainer? |
| 15:52.52 | tarzeau | mcxian: there's some non-public secret mia information place |
| 15:52.59 | tarzeau | mcxian: but i don't know any details, not dd either |
| 15:53.14 | tarzeau | mcxian: i think there's mia@debian.org ? |
| 15:53.26 | mcxian | Should I try a debian-user email? |
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| 15:53.42 | jmartens | Where are the default menu items for gnome stored on the filesystem? |
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| 15:54.25 | chealer9 | mcxian: no. did you find the page at qa.d.o about that? |
| 15:55.14 | mcxian | chealer9: Oh found it. Thanks |
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| 15:55.40 | jelly-ho | tarzeau: what about a public secret information place? |
| 15:55.47 | ^Nikos | hello, iam tryignt o open a video file from an ntfs partition |
| 15:55.52 | ^Nikos | th mpalyer but i get this error |
| 15:56.03 | ^Nikos | Error opening the selected video_out (-vo device) |
| 15:56.20 | ^Nikos | and yes i ahve nvidia-glx installed |
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| 15:57.20 | onetinsoldier | tarzeau: can you help me out? |
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| 15:57.43 | mpav | Anyone using pam_ldap ? |
| 15:57.53 | jmartens | mpav: Me, unfortunately |
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| 15:58.03 | mpav | my configuration seems to be incorrect.. i'd like to see some sample pam.d/common-* configs |
| 15:58.06 | hazard_ | Nikoc: the error has nothing to do with the source file being on an NTFS partiton |
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| 15:58.17 | ^Nikos | hazard_, yes |
| 15:58.20 | mpav | jmartens: haha.. why do you say unfortunately? |
| 15:58.23 | ^Nikos | its eomthign about grpahics |
| 15:58.30 | hazard_ | that particular error means it can't initilize the vo device for whatever reason (or there's a typo) |
| 15:58.38 | jmartens | mpav: Because it's a pain in the butt. |
| 15:59.11 | ^Nikos | why it cant? |
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| 15:59.24 | ^Nikos | sicne i ahve apt-get install nvidia-glx |
| 15:59.33 | sinattaj | maybe asked before, but how can i make a local mirror from Sarge ISO files? |
| 16:00.09 | hazard_ | Nikos: has it EVER worked? |
| 16:00.09 | asg | ^Nikos: does 'mplayer -vo sdl /path/to/movie' give the same error? |
| 16:00.12 | chealer9 | ^Nikos: mplayer isn't supported here |
| 16:00.19 | jmartens | sinattaj: The simplest way might be apt-proxy. I believe that you can import packages from a CD if you want. |
| 16:00.25 | hazard_ | chealer9: I can try.... |
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| 16:00.42 | mpav | jmartens: my configuration is not working.. i've had it working in the past, but not with latest stable |
| 16:00.44 | chealer9 | hazard_: feel free to /j #mplayer |
| 16:00.46 | bsdboy | What package on Debian supplies vi? |
| 16:00.53 | asg | bsdboy: which vi? |
| 16:00.56 | hazard_ | o.O there's an #mplayer? |
| 16:00.56 | jlaw | has any og you guy already tried to build the 2.6.16.16 kernel? |
| 16:01.01 | chealer9 | bsdboy: there are several, including nvi and vim |
| 16:01.07 | bsdboy | I mean, the base /usr/bin/vi |
| 16:01.08 | mpav | jmartens: nss appears to be working correctly.. getent passwd shows ldap users not in /etc/passwd.. but pam auth does not seem to work |
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| 16:01.17 | ^Nikos | mplayer: could not connect to socket |
| 16:01.17 | ^Nikos | mplayer: No such file or directory |
| 16:01.17 | ^Nikos | Failed to open LIRC support. |
| 16:01.22 | asg | bsdboy: many provide that. vim, nvi, elvis |
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| 16:01.47 | bsdboy | So you're saying vi symlinks to vim? |
| 16:01.49 | kspath | bsdboy: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search vi |
| 16:01.52 | hazard_ | Nikos You don't have sdl, installed do you? |
| 16:01.58 | asg | bsdboy: update-alternatives --list vi |
| 16:02.02 | kspath | bsdboy: ls -la /usr/bin/vi |
| 16:02.04 | hazard_ | hmmm....dunno what LIRC support is. |
| 16:02.10 | mpav | jmartens: can you share your pam configs ? I tried applying the items in the README.Debian, but no luck. auth.log only shows pam_unix errors.. never pam_ldap |
| 16:02.18 | bsdboy | kspath: thanks. |
| 16:02.20 | jmartens | mpav: Are you in #flood? |
| 16:02.24 | asg | bsdboy: also, update-alternatives --config vi |
| 16:02.28 | mpav | jmartens: ldap logs show queries |
| 16:02.29 | bsdboy | well its symlinked to /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 16:02.33 | ^Nikos | hazard_, no and i dotn even knwo what this is |
| 16:02.42 | mpav | jmartens: yeah, in #flood |
| 16:02.49 | sinattaj | jmartens: i know that i can use apt-proxy for my installed machines, but currently i'm trying to configure a FAI setup...and FAI is looking for a mirror |
| 16:02.57 | kspath | bsdboy: ls -la /etc/alternatives/vi |
| 16:03.32 | bsdboy | ah, which is nvi |
| 16:03.36 | bsdboy | but is nvi included in the base system |
| 16:03.41 | bsdboy | or is it a package? becasue I cant find it in dpkg --list |
| 16:03.44 | kspath | bsdboy: vi --help |
| 16:03.58 | kspath | bsdboy: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search vi |
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| 16:04.17 | kspath | bsdboy: "< asg> bsdboy: update-alternatives --list vi" |
| 16:04.24 | asg | bsdboy: nvi is the default vi installed with debian at this time |
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| 16:04.29 | bsdboy | thats what i was asking |
| 16:04.34 | bsdboy | (what asg said) |
| 16:04.36 | kYuZz | !dpkg custom netinst |
| 16:04.36 | dpkg | custom netinst is probably http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
| 16:04.47 | jmartens | sinattaj: Right, you can use apt-proxy as a local mirror. |
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| 16:04.55 | bsdboy | However, what I was asking is what package manages that - Because I dont see an nvi package installed on my system, but I have nvi installed. |
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| 16:05.09 | asg | bsdboy: what debian version? |
| 16:05.09 | kspath | bsdboy: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search vi |
| 16:05.22 | bsdboy | asg: unstable |
| 16:05.26 | asg | !info nvi unstable |
| 16:05.32 | dpkg | nvi: (4.4BSD re-implementation of vi), section editors, is important. Version: 1.79-22 (sid), Packaged size: 281 kB, Installed size: 632 kB |
| 16:05.32 | deejoe | mutt |
| 16:05.35 | Tassium | bsdboy: dpkg --search `which nvi` |
| 16:05.45 | bsdboy | dpkg: /usr/bin/nvi not found. |
| 16:05.51 | HelmutG | Hi. Is there something like apt-get --print-uris for aptitude? I'd like to get the uris for the files needed for aptitude install. |
| 16:05.55 | jmartens | sinattaj: When it asks for the mirror to use, just point it at apt-proxy-host-name:port |
| 16:06.02 | mpav | thanks jmartens. |
| 16:06.27 | jmartens | mpav: np, good luck. |
| 16:06.29 | jlaw | damn it ... i can't run #make menuconfig |
| 16:06.40 | sinattaj | jmartens: thanks, i will see it. |
| 16:06.45 | Tassium | jlaw: You're not really putting the # in there, are you? |
| 16:06.46 | jlaw | even with the 2.6.8 source provided by the debian mirrors |
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| 16:07.35 | HelmutG | Can I somehow tweak aptitude to tell what it is going to download? |
| 16:07.36 | shogunx | i |
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| 16:07.48 | shogunx | sorry. wrong window. |
| 16:08.25 | cahoot | HelmutG: seem to do that by default |
| 16:08.37 | HelmutG | cahoot: With uris. |
| 16:08.59 | cahoot | HelmutG: I see - only read your last input |
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| 16:09.30 | wombachi | any idea why 2.6.15 kernel sees 4 cpus on a bi-proc Intel Xeon (instead of 2) ? |
| 16:09.42 | asg | wombachi: it's an HT processor? |
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| 16:09.53 | HelmutG | cahoot: Hum. I tried making the question simpler by omiting detail. ;-) |
| 16:10.20 | wombachi | asg Probably. Kernel sees HT proc as 2 processors then? |
| 16:10.28 | asg | wombachi: some do, yes |
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| 16:11.22 | wombachi | asg ok. Is HT "safe" on a prod server (stability)? |
| 16:11.50 | asg | wombachi: I've never had a problem on my production systems |
| 16:12.16 | asg | wombachi: I've never noticed any real improvement though and the security problems of HT indicate that disabling it in the BIOS might be wiser. |
| 16:12.24 | kspath | wombachi: Did you do basic research in debian mailing list archives or other linux mailing list archives? |
| 16:12.51 | wombachi | kspath not that time. But I vaguely remember security issues with HT |
| 16:13.05 | ^Nikos | whats this -vo thing mapolyer is compaining about? |
| 16:13.17 | cahoot | jlaw: missing libncurses5 ? |
| 16:13.22 | petemc | ^Nikos: mplayer should have a man page |
| 16:13.26 | kspath | wombachi: There are security mailing lists and security sites. |
| 16:13.28 | asg | ^Nikos: the Video Output plugin you are using. The manpage will tell you. |
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| 16:13.59 | ^Nikos | well what should i grep in man mpayer to find the info i want? |
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| 16:14.12 | wombachi | kspath I read the (debian) security mailing list. But reading securityfocus requires way too much time for me |
| 16:14.28 | petemc | ^Nikos: hmm, "vo" , perhaps |
| 16:14.36 | mpav | jmartens: what does your nsswitch.conf look like? |
| 16:14.37 | ^Nikos | man mplayer |
| 16:14.38 | asg | wombachi: the HT bug was found by someone at FreeBSD. You might look at their site for the article |
| 16:14.40 | dak | hrm |
| 16:14.47 | ^Nikos | then /vo [enter] ? |
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| 16:15.07 | petemc | ^Nikos: really, is it that difficult to read? |
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| 16:15.19 | wombachi | asg thanks for the hint. I'll ask Google to find it |
| 16:15.27 | ^Nikos | petemc, no but ic an fidn the info i must read |
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| 16:15.34 | mtnman | ^Nikos: you will probably find better docs in /usr/share/doc/mplayer (look in HTML directory) |
| 16:15.43 | HelmutG | cahoot: I think I was looking for something like: apt-get --print-uris install `aptitude -v -s -y install | grep ^Inst | cut '-d ' -f2` |
| 16:16.01 | redphoenix1 | ok i am running debian unstable i tried to install the i915 driver (i915-20060403-linux.i386) but i get an error that is posted here http://lists.debian.org/debian-x/2006/04/msg00019.html is there anything i can do? |
| 16:16.07 | mtnman | ^Nikos: plese try to type coherently. |
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| 16:16.34 | ^Nikos | i dotn have that file |
| 16:16.56 | Phlexonance | what do I have to run to make my machine scan the usb ports for mass storage devices, mount them and place the shortcuts on my desktop? |
| 16:17.04 | mtnman | ^Nikos: please be specific. "that file" is not specific. |
| 16:17.05 | ^Nikos | plz someone help me with this mplaye propblem |
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| 16:17.10 | ^Nikos | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:17.26 | Tassium | Phlexonance: You need 'hotplug' at the very least. (I have had zero luck with getting usb hotplug devices to work - it just locks up for me) |
| 16:17.31 | cahoot | HelmutG: looks neat and handy |
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| 16:18.13 | wombachi | ok HT considered harmul : here are some usefull links http://www.daemonology.net/hyperthreading-considered-harmful/ http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/05/13/0520214 http://kerneltrap.org/node/5197 |
| 16:18.37 | myren | how do i set my systems hostname? |
| 16:18.42 | pawdro | anyone knows any program to record videos from digital cameras? |
| 16:18.44 | asg | myren: /msg dpkg hostname |
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| 16:19.26 | bsdboy | wombachi: It's only harmful if the kernel doesn't properly protect against it. |
| 16:19.30 | mtnman | ^Nikos: you are exhibiting the lazy behavior of someone who expects that others will solve their problem, rather than the behavior of someone searching for clues to solve their own problem. |
| 16:19.39 | Phlexonance | Tassium, and what would be the agent I need hotplug to call? |
| 16:20.01 | ^Nikos | mtnman, i just want to view a movie dude |
| 16:20.06 | ^Nikos | ic ant search 2 hours for this |
| 16:20.07 | Tassium | Phlexonance: I'm sorry, that I don't know. |
| 16:20.24 | Phlexonance | what do I have to run to make my machine scan the usb ports for mass storage devices, mount them and place the shortcuts on my desktop? |
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| 16:20.38 | mtnman | ^Nikos: i realize that, but nobody here owes you a solution to your problem. if you don't want to read docs, go by a dvd player. |
| 16:20.46 | wombachi | bsdboy: I didnt read enough doc right now, but I hope recent linux kernels are ok (I guess freebsd are ok since a year ;-) |
| 16:21.00 | bsdboy | FreeBSD isn't okay. |
| 16:21.03 | bsdboy | AFAIK |
| 16:21.06 | ^Nikos | mtnman, it would be much eaiser if you just sugegts stuff i should try |
| 16:21.13 | mtnman | ^Nikos: that said, -vo is for video output. |
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| 16:21.34 | mtnman | ^Nikos: i suggested that you try reading the docs in /usr/share/doc/mplayer/HTML |
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| 16:21.46 | wombachi | bsdboy oops. I'd better find a way to disable it to feel safer, then :-/ |
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| 16:21.50 | mtnman | ^Nikos: that is how i got mplayer to work on my system. |
| 16:21.57 | HelmutG | cahoot: for avoiding some ugly output and pressing return a better version is: apt-get -qq -y --print-uris install `aptitude -q -v -s -y install 2>/dev/null | grep ^Inst | cut '-d ' -f2` 2>/dev/null | cut "-d'" -f2 |
| 16:22.01 | ^Nikos | mtnman, ok with vi? |
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| 16:22.11 | mtnman | ^Nikos: what about vi? |
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| 16:22.16 | ^Nikos | thers is no cuh file |
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| 16:22.45 | Tenkawa | Any of ya use Zyxel wireless stuff |
| 16:22.46 | Tenkawa | ? |
| 16:22.53 | mtnman | ^Nikos: your abbreviations are difficult to follow. please type whole words/sentences. |
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| 16:23.06 | ^Nikos | apt-get install libcgi-perl ? |
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| 16:24.03 | mal_ | how do I use an older version of gcc with make? |
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| 16:24.39 | wombachi | mal_ something like "CC=gcc-3.3 make" |
| 16:24.56 | wombachi | mal_ not sure about this |
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| 16:25.56 | mal_ | thanks |
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| 16:26.02 | wombachi | mal_ ex I used to compile a 2.4 kernel: MAKEFLAGS="CC=gcc-3.3" make-kpkg ... |
| 16:26.12 | ^Nikos | thee is no such file |
| 16:26.22 | onetinsoldier | hi, i could be wrong but i believe i have discovered somewhat nasty kernel bug(system lockup) with the framebuffer driver(radeonfb) in regards to my system. / likely for other people with a similar system configuration. but i sure wouldn't mind someone helping make sure it's a bug and not user error. i just went into #kernel and someone told me i need to try out 2.6.16 becuase 2.6.15 is months old |
| 16:26.30 | wmcinnis | does sarge have 64bit? |
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| 16:27.56 | tombs | hi all |
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| 16:27.58 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: Why don't you post what you keep repeating plus all the pertinent details to the mailing lists |
| 16:28.01 | ViaD | wmcinnis: went official not long ago i think |
| 16:28.09 | dondelelcaro | hrm...that was useful |
| 16:28.13 | mtnman | ^Nikos: no such file as what? please be specific. last time i ask... next time i ignore. |
| 16:28.26 | mtnman | hi don. |
| 16:28.36 | Phlexonance | what do I have to run to make my machine scan the usb ports for mass storage devices, mount them and place the shortcuts on my desktop? |
| 16:28.37 | ^Nikos | the fiel you gave me to read |
| 16:28.44 | ^Nikos | there is no such file in my system, |
| 16:28.50 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: sup |
| 16:28.50 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: i was considering doing that... but, as i said, i was hoping someone would help me confirm that it's a bug in the kernel.. please |
| 16:28.58 | mtnman | nikos: how did you install mplayer? |
| 16:29.02 | mtnman | don: got tix? |
| 16:29.06 | zinx | pdiff?? sweet. |
| 16:29.08 | dondelelcaro | mtnman: yeah |
| 16:29.11 | mtnman | :D |
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| 16:29.27 | wmcinnis | i have a dual 2.8 xeon |
| 16:29.32 | wmcinnis | is that ia64? |
| 16:29.37 | mtnman | don: what is the booth status for lwce? |
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| 16:30.17 | kspath | wmcinnis: /msg dpkg ia64 |
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| 16:30.22 | wombachi | wmcinnis http://www.debian.org/ports/amd64/ |
| 16:30.47 | ^Nikos | will someone plz help me fix this mplayer thing? |
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| 16:31.12 | wmcinnis | wombachi: that is amd doe sthat cover intel xeon? |
| 16:31.13 | kspath | mtnman: hehehe join the club |
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| 16:32.09 | wombachi | wmcinnis if you mean I1 64, yes http://www.us.debian.org/ports/ia64/ |
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| 16:32.18 | wombachi | wmcinnis IA64 |
| 16:32.29 | wmcinnis | wombachi: no its a xeon 64 |
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| 16:32.34 | wmcinnis | xeon 2.8 64 bit |
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| 16:32.55 | mtnman | ^Nikos: if you want to get help, please read this first: http://www.slash7.com/pages/vampires |
| 16:33.01 | wombachi | wmcinnis dont know, then. Xeon 32 bit without problem anyway |
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| 16:34.11 | obscurite | can someone experienced with MD raid-1 explain a concept to me? I've set up MD raid-1, but I don't understand how when a master drive fails we can switch over to a second drive automatically as in hardware raid. |
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| 16:34.29 | ViaD | Nikos: You can try to look at/configure this script? http://kanotix.com/files/install-mplayer.sh |
| 16:34.30 | Supaplex | ^Nikos: and if all else fails, try http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 16:34.53 | junix|work | what are the debian equiv pacakges for these: gd-devel-2.0.28-1.30.1 |
| 16:34.54 | junix|work | gdb-6.1post-1.20040607.43.0.1 |
| 16:34.54 | junix|work | gdk-pixbuf-0.22.0-16.fc3.3 |
| 16:34.54 | junix|work | gdbm-1.8.0-24 |
| 16:34.54 | junix|work | gdm-2.6.0.5-6 |
| 16:34.54 | junix|work | gdbm-devel-1.8.0-24 |
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| 16:34.56 | ViaD | Supaplex: Ye, maybe thats a better idea |
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| 16:35.09 | kspath | !tell junix about paste |
| 16:35.10 | junix|work | sorry |
| 16:35.23 | junix|work | i kmnow about paste |
| 16:35.24 | junix|work | sorry |
| 16:35.35 | junix|work | i didn't realize the amount of lines |
| 16:35.40 | wombachi | obscurite you receive a mail when it fails. md continue in 'degraded' mode. You replace the disk, and the rebuild will be automatic. Process shown in cat /proc/mdstat iirc |
| 16:35.46 | Supaplex | !fix junix|work's mouse |
| 16:35.56 | Eclipser | gah |
| 16:36.28 | mtnman | eclipser: easy to change firefox's fonts. |
| 16:36.43 | junix|work | could someone look at this http://pastebin.com/724855 and tell me what the debian package equivlances are? |
| 16:36.55 | Supaplex | Eclipser: ctrl and + can get you by until you update your preferences. |
| 16:37.21 | obscurite | wombachi - okay, that sound good but I have a question. on hardware raid, when a drive fails, i can simpy reboot and go about my business until the array is rebuilt. with software raid, when I reboot, if the master drive failed, it won't boot. hardware raid seems to be able to make the good drive the master drive automatically. |
| 16:37.25 | Eclipser | Supaplex, I know |
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| 16:37.42 | Eclipser | but if I change it from the firefox preferences then it gets HUGE on some pages |
| 16:37.44 | kspath | junix|work: You can try apt-cache and apt-file and debtags What do you mean by equivalents? |
| 16:38.03 | blaylock | join ##windows |
| 16:38.16 | mtnman | junix|work: a liberal dose of apt-cache search in conjunction with partial package names to figure it out for yourself. |
| 16:38.17 | blaylock | opps |
| 16:38.18 | obscurite | wombachi - in other words the hardware raid acts like a load balancer, diverting boot to the good drive. software raid seems to get stuck if the former boot drive failed. |
| 16:38.20 | blaylock | hahaha |
| 16:38.24 | Eclipser | http://www.saunalahti.fi/~jukka712/firefox.png I mean, come on... |
| 16:38.38 | blaylock | ill get flamed for that one |
| 16:38.40 | Eclipser | I can barely read that even with my glasses on :) |
| 16:38.46 | junix|work | kspath: i was wondering in case debian maintainers called it something else |
| 16:39.00 | kspath | Eclipser: That is not really a debian issue is it? |
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| 16:39.23 | kspath | junix|work: You are welcome to look for yourself. |
| 16:39.28 | rower | How to apt-get X? |
| 16:39.28 | Eclipser | kspath, I'm not sure what causes it, it works fine on my laptop which has debian too |
| 16:39.28 | junix|work | thanks |
| 16:39.33 | rower | what do i write? |
| 16:39.35 | Supaplex | !install x |
| 16:39.36 | dpkg | rumour has it, install xf4 is apt-get install read-edid mdetect discover; apt-get install x-window-system-core (plus whatever window manager you like, etc.), or ask me about "set up x", or "configure xf4" |
| 16:39.48 | onetinsoldier | apt-file requires ssh? hmmm |
| 16:39.53 | mtnman | rower: apt-get install x-window-sysem[-core] |
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| 16:39.59 | onetinsoldier | doh! nvm |
| 16:40.03 | mtnman | rower: apt-get install x-window-system[-core] |
| 16:40.03 | blaylock | interesting desktop |
| 16:40.04 | rower | mtnman : wich core should i get.. |
| 16:40.06 | wombachi | obscurite you can put /boot on the md too |
| 16:40.20 | kspath | onetinsoldier: apt-get install apt-file ; apt-file update; apt-file search keyword(s) |
| 16:40.23 | mtnman | rower: i don't understand the question. |
| 16:40.25 | rower | mtnman : tell me a core that works with dualcore procossor |
| 16:40.47 | onetinsoldier | kspath: very cool.... thanks :) |
| 16:40.53 | mtnman | rower: "core" refers to the core of the package... w/o core it includes more stuff. |
| 16:40.56 | obscurite | wombachi - last time i used MD raid1 I put everything in / on md0 except swap. i wasn't able to boot when the master drive failed |
| 16:41.12 | onetinsoldier | looks a little more powerful than just apt-cache |
| 16:41.13 | mtnman | rower: "core" does not refer to your processor. |
| 16:41.23 | obscurite | wombachi - i think i even tried switching the drives but had no luck |
| 16:41.31 | rower | mtnman: k.. tell me the latest core number then |
| 16:41.47 | rower | or is it a way to see the core numbers in apt-get |
| 16:42.18 | kspath | onetinsoldier: apt-cache and apt-file and debtags and dpkg are all nice for various purposes/reasons. |
| 16:42.22 | mtnman | rower: i don't understand the question. there is no number associated with core. you will either do "apt-get x-window-system" or "apt-get x-window-system-core" |
| 16:42.33 | rower | a ha :D |
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| 16:42.37 | rower | thanx.. |
| 16:42.41 | mtnman | rower: yw. |
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| 16:42.52 | rower | see you later =) |
| 16:42.54 | wombachi | obscurite I never tried /boot on md. More infos are in the software raid howto (tldp.org) |
| 16:43.10 | madclicker | lokking for a redundant atx 4u psu ? anyone |
| 16:43.20 | madclicker | i am looking |
| 16:43.40 | obscurite | wombachi - that's what i've been reading :) i'll let you know if i figure this out. it should be a simple question - when a drive fails with swraid, how can i make my comp able to boot off the good drive |
| 16:43.50 | obscurite | wombachi - however noone seems to know |
| 16:44.09 | obscurite | wombachi - or they do know but i don't know how to ask |
| 16:44.22 | wombachi | obscurite last time a drv failed, it was the "second" one, but /boot was on another disk. |
| 16:44.41 | obscurite | wombachi - yeah, i was able to cope with a 2nd drive failure, just not primary |
| 16:44.43 | green_earz | obscurite: here a link for a howto for putting grub in the second mbr > http://lists.us.dell.com/pipermail/linux-poweredge/2003-July/008898.html |
| 16:44.48 | obscurite | wombachi - and /boot was on the md0 |
| 16:44.55 | kspath | madclicker: try going to linux magazine and linux journal and the like and following links for linux machine builders. |
| 16:45.07 | obscurite | green_earz - thanks i'm reading |
| 16:45.51 | wombachi | i'm sure it's possible. perhaps you need to install the boot loader on both disks simply |
| 16:46.05 | obscurite | wombachi - that sounds promising |
| 16:46.17 | kspath | madclicker: maximumpc and sysadmin and other tech magazines have web sites with advertising for hardware vendors as well. |
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| 16:46.26 | wombachi | good luck |
| 16:46.58 | green_earz | np |
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| 16:49.14 | obscurite | hmm, maybe a graphical swraid management tool would be a good mono learning project |
| 16:49.29 | tolsen | anybody running sid notice something different with X11 fonts recently? Is there sub-pixel anti-aliasing now or something? |
| 16:49.57 | obscurite | bah, who needs guis... ;) |
| 16:50.10 | ^Nikos | look i ahve mplayer working from console |
| 16:50.15 | ^Nikos | but not fro gui can you help? |
| 16:50.25 | obscurite | see my last comment ;) |
| 16:50.28 | ^Nikos | dell:~# mplayer -vo xv /media/hda5/Movies/Mission\ Impossible\ III\ a.avi |
| 16:50.31 | ^Nikos | this works |
| 16:50.32 | Supaplex | ^Nikos: http://www.debian.org/consultants/ |
| 16:50.43 | ^Nikos | whats that? |
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| 16:51.49 | Suprano | could you recomend me a good Laptop for Debian ? price should be about ~500 EURO |
| 16:52.03 | ^Nikos | Supaplex, iam not going to pay to get mpalyer working |
| 16:52.10 | green_earz | obscurite: and for a raid 1 howto > http://nepotismia.com/debian/raidinstall/ |
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| 16:52.35 | cahoot | ^Nikos: but you pay for the video? |
| 16:52.47 | ^Nikos | no |
| 16:52.58 | ^Nikos | i download it from torrent sites :) |
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| 16:53.08 | obscurite | green_earz, thanks. |
| 16:53.54 | green_earz | np |
| 16:54.31 | jlaw | waaahaaaaaaaaa ... i made it |
| 16:54.49 | jlaw | beaten up damned ncurses^^ |
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| 16:55.51 | obscurite | green_earz - when the installer puts grum on md0 that should be sufficient along with bootable flags on each device so that if your first drive fails you can boot off the second right? i thought i did that, but had no luck |
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| 16:56.04 | obscurite | green_earz - sorry, grub, not grum. |
| 16:56.22 | ^Nikos | how many times i ahve to ask for soemone to help me ? |
| 16:56.30 | sneex | What syntax should I use to be able to forward an SSH tunnel between two servers -- I want to have a console login banner available from my work machine on my home machine; I have access to ssh to my home machine from work but not the reverse; Thanks |
| 16:57.17 | ^Nikos | how many times i ahve to ask for soemone to help me ? |
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| 16:57.30 | obscurite | ^Nikos, stop pestering #debian. try #mplayer |
| 16:57.47 | ^Nikos | obscurite, i did!!!!! |
| 16:57.50 | ^Nikos | thay dont know |
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| 16:57.56 | ^Nikos | they told me to ask here |
| 16:57.58 | rower | cant start x |
| 16:58.07 | rower | fatal IO error 104.. |
| 16:58.10 | rower | what is that? |
| 16:58.23 | sneex | apt-cache search w32codec ^Nikos |
| 16:58.37 | obscurite | ^Nikos, you may need to come back later and ask again. Obviously noone here knows or wants to answer right now. The worst thing you can do is ask over and over and get mad. |
| 16:58.45 | stew | sneex: he doesn't have a codec problem or else it wouldn't work from the command line |
| 16:58.51 | sneex | kk |
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| 16:58.59 | green_earz | obscurite: no you will need to put grub on the second hard drive mbr section, so if the first hard drive go down you can still boot from the second hard drive, the post of the grub howto will show you howto put grun on the second drive |
| 16:59.02 | ^Nikos | sneex, w32codecs is already the newest version. |
| 16:59.24 | stew | ^Nikos: it sounds like you need to setup a .mplayer or somehting in your home directory. see if there is anything in the mplayer manpage or /usr/sare/doc/mplayer/* |
| 16:59.28 | Siarom | which prevision (it dates) of the Xgl to enter in apt? (sid, etc) someone knows? |
| 16:59.47 | ^Nikos | stew, which remiend em toa sk youy |
| 16:59.59 | ^Nikos | what are all thsoe .[files] in my ~ |
| 17:00.09 | ^Nikos | what are all these secret files? |
| 17:00.14 | stew | ^Nikos: note that mplayer is not in debian, and thus, this is probably not the best place to seek help with it |
| 17:00.24 | kspath | ^Nikos: /usr/share/doc/ is a great resource if you will read it over and over. |
| 17:00.28 | stew | ^Nikos: they are generally user specific configuration files |
| 17:00.43 | Siarom | which prevision (it dates) of the Xgl to enter in apt? (sid, etch...) someone knows? |
| 17:00.53 | ^Nikos | kspath, ar you ssure that iam having this files? |
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| 17:01.01 | ^Nikos | usr/share/doc/ imean |
| 17:01.01 | obscurite | green_earz - thanks again. :) |
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| 17:01.34 | green_earz | np and all the best |
| 17:01.44 | ^Nikos | stew, plaz man you are alwyats helping me |
| 17:01.45 | stew | ^Nikos: every single debian package installs a directory in /usr/share/doc ; you definately have this direcotry |
| 17:01.48 | ^Nikos | sugest soemthing to try |
| 17:02.07 | kspath | ^Nikos: Assuming you really are using/running Debian. |
| 17:02.13 | ^Nikos | yes iam |
| 17:02.21 | ^Nikos | dell:~# uname -a |
| 17:02.22 | ^Nikos | Linux dell 2.6.8-3-686 #1 Thu Feb 9 07:39:48 UTC 2006 i686 GNU/Linux |
| 17:02.40 | ^Nikos | in ubuntu i had befroa |
| 17:02.45 | ^Nikos | mplayer worked with no problem |
| 17:02.53 | ^Nikos | why not do the same in debian? |
| 17:02.59 | Siarom | which prevision (it dates) of the Xgl to enter in apt? (sid, etch...) someone knows? |
| 17:03.11 | stew | ^Nikos: read the mplayer manpage, you need to create/edit either /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf or ~/.mplayer/config |
| 17:03.26 | stew | !debwiki Siarom xgl |
| 17:03.26 | dpkg | Siarom: http://wiki.debian.org/xgl |
| 17:03.36 | woodland | hi i just installed vlc media player and then purged it; both using aptitude. while installing 35.1 MB space was used and while purging 32.6 MB space was freed. why is that. |
| 17:03.37 | stew | Siarom: actually make that Xgl not xgl |
| 17:04.07 | ^Nikos | stew ~/.mplayer/config are symlinks to the actual configuration files? in this case /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
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| 17:04.24 | Siarom | stew This page does not exist yet. You can create a new empty page, or use one of the page templates. Before creating the page, please check if a similar page already exists. |
| 17:04.26 | Siarom | =( |
| 17:04.29 | stew | ^Nikos: so edit /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 17:04.36 | stew | Siarom: Xgl, not xgl |
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| 17:04.40 | ^Nikos | ok stew |
| 17:04.44 | stew | Siarom: i know that one is there, i created it |
| 17:04.59 | Siarom | sorry =( |
| 17:05.06 | stew | np |
| 17:05.19 | ^Nikos | stew i will edit it |
| 17:05.22 | ^Nikos | but plz tell me |
| 17:05.35 | ^Nikos | what the purpose of having ~/.mplayer/config |
| 17:05.42 | woodland | hi i have a question |
| 17:05.42 | ^Nikos | since we also have /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
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| 17:06.01 | colk | because you as a user may want something configurered diffrently |
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| 17:06.07 | stew | ^Nikos: ~/.mplayer/config is specific to a user, /etc/mplayer is system-wide |
| 17:06.14 | hazard_ | later all, I need to get going. |
| 17:06.27 | ^Nikos | stew, ah i see! |
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| 17:06.41 | ^Nikos | ansd that holds true for all the ~/. files as well? |
| 17:06.46 | stew | ^Nikos: yes |
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| 17:07.13 | ^Nikos | so since iam the only user in this machine |
| 17:07.19 | ^Nikos | its betetr to change |
| 17:07.21 | ^Nikos | /etc/mplayer/mplayer.conf |
| 17:07.27 | stew | !tell ^Nikos about enter |
| 17:07.33 | voyager9 | hola |
| 17:07.35 | ^Nikos | yes |
| 17:07.41 | cliffd | from the sarge install disk is there a way to not install kde? |
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| 17:07.52 | ^Nikos | stew, i dotn know how to edit my mpalyer conf file |
| 17:07.57 | ^Nikos | where cna i find info? |
| 17:08.03 | kspath | cliffd: What was forcing you to install KDE? |
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| 17:08.06 | stew | ^Nikos: man mplayer |
| 17:08.26 | keropok | elo ppl |
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| 17:08.33 | David3 | g'day |
| 17:08.38 | cliffd | kspath: my own stupidity? I dont see how to pick anything other then "desktop environment" |
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| 17:09.02 | stew | cliffd: choose manual pacakge installation. if you still want a desktop environment that isn't kde, start aptitude and use the tasks in there which are finer grained |
| 17:09.04 | Equin | When I connect to my debian pc which is running tightvncserver, I only see a measly shell window. How do I open up my gnome desktop? Startx doesn't work |
| 17:09.43 | kspath | cliffd: I installed stable netinstall dozens and dozens of times and just did a base install and later used apt-get install to get only what I wanted. |
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| 17:10.19 | cliffd | kspath, how do I tell it to do a netinstall from the sarge binary install cd? |
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| 17:10.44 | stew | cliffd: put it in your machine and boot from it |
| 17:10.50 | kspath | cliffd: Your "sarge binary install cd" does not allow you to just do the base install? |
| 17:11.28 | cliffd | kspath: yeah It does, I never installed debian before so I checked "desktop env" thinking it would let me pick gnome or kde, not both |
| 17:11.32 | kristalino | what do i have to do to make phpmyadmin work ? |
| 17:11.49 | cliffd | Stew: do I need to do expert mode, becuase if I just let it boot it installs from the disk. |
| 17:11.53 | kspath | cliffd: You can try again if you want. That is up to you. |
| 17:11.59 | cliffd | kspath: I got nothing but time. |
| 17:12.18 | kristalino | i enter root/my password on the login page of phpmyadmin, but it doesnt' work |
| 17:12.42 | ^Nikos | stew, ok i cant do it |
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| 17:12.59 | ^Nikos | i need soemone to tell me to try spedific things |
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| 17:13.17 | kspath | cliffd: You can download the netinstall ISOs and burn them as well if you want. Assuming you have internet access ability on/with that new debian install. |
| 17:13.36 | stew | cliffd: the netinstall also installs base from the cd, then after you reboot you setup apt sources which are on the net. you can do the same with the sarge cd. after the first reboot it should ask you to choose apt repositories to install from |
| 17:13.38 | woodland | hi i just installed vlc media player and then purged it; both using aptitude. while installing 35.1 MB space was used and while purging 32.6 MB space was freed. why is that. |
| 17:13.45 | stew | cliffd: if you rerun apt-setup, you can reconfigure these sources |
| 17:13.51 | ^Nikos | stew, -vo error it says |
| 17:14.00 | cliffd | stew: thanks much. |
| 17:14.07 | stew | ^Nikos: did you put -vo into the config file? |
| 17:14.17 | green_earz | cliffd: the sarge install will allow you to install just a base install. at the end of the install at taskel pick the manual option and you will the be put into aptitude front end. there you can install x-window-system-core |
| 17:14.20 | ^Nikos | ye sit was commented |
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| 17:14.23 | ^Nikos | and i uncommneted it |
| 17:14.26 | kspath | cliffd: That is considered a strength of Debian is the many options/choice available. |
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| 17:14.34 | ^Nikos | vo=xv |
| 17:14.38 | woodland | abrotman, are you there |
| 17:14.41 | ^Nikos | and vo = sdl:aalib |
| 17:14.46 | abrotman | woodland: kind of |
| 17:15.02 | stew | ^Nikos: i dunno then, ask mplayer, now you have a specific question for them that they should be able to help with, "i'm editing /etc/mplayer/config and when i uncomment...." |
| 17:15.02 | woodland | abrotman, hi i got some problem with aptitude |
| 17:15.10 | stew | ^Nikos: ask #mplayer rather |
| 17:15.19 | ^Nikos | ok stew |
| 17:15.19 | cliffd | green_earz: or I can apt-get it for a more upto date version? |
| 17:15.22 | cliffd | is anyone using Xorg 7? |
| 17:15.24 | ^Nikos | il try asskign them again |
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| 17:15.40 | gnufa1 | cliffd: yes |
| 17:15.40 | kspath | ^Nikos: They likely have website(s) and mailing list(s). |
| 17:15.42 | woodland | abrotman, it here http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/showthread.php?t=446108 |
| 17:15.50 | kYuZz | !dpkg custom netinst |
| 17:15.50 | dpkg | custom netinst is, like, http://wiki.osuosl.org/display/LNX/Debian+on+Dell+Servers or http://d-i.alioth.debian.org/svn/debian-installer/installer/doc/custom-kernel.txt or http://people.debian.org/~osamu/hackdi/ or http://wiki.debian.net/?DebianCustomCD or see <sarge uni> |
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| 17:16.05 | cliffd | gnufa1: did you apt-get that? |
| 17:16.26 | kspath | !tell cliffd about get xorg |
| 17:16.34 | cliffd | kspath: thanks |
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| 17:16.59 | rustiko | Hi |
| 17:17.09 | kspath | cliffd: Sarge is currently Stable release, Etch is currently testing, and Sid will always be unstable. |
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| 17:17.19 | green_earz | cliffd: when you see aptitude at the end of the install use F10 to shut aptitude down. then you are on the command line and able to use apt-get or aptitude to install packets from |
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| 17:17.59 | cliffd | green_earz: thanks. and from there I can install X.org etc etc |
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| 17:18.39 | kspath | cliffd: In future Etch will become the stable release. |
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| 17:19.05 | woodland | abrotman, can you figure out that problem |
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| 17:19.13 | cliffd | kspath: I was trying to install etch but it wont detect my cdrom, it will boot but no dice on the cd :( I need 2.6.14+ for SATA support |
| 17:19.15 | green_earz | cliffd: in sarge its still xserver-xfree86 , x.org is in etch |
| 17:19.23 | ^Nikos | stew, they wont answer |
| 17:19.31 | cliffd | green_earz: thanks. |
| 17:19.35 | green_earz | np |
| 17:19.48 | cliffd | kspath: someone suggested that I install sarge with 2.4 and then apt get the new kernel. |
| 17:20.03 | cliffd | green_earz: but I could install x.org from backports yes? |
| 17:20.19 | kspath | cliffd: /msg dpkg 2.6 |
| 17:20.39 | stew | ^Nikos: that's crappy of them. did they give a reason? |
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| 17:21.05 | woodland | stew, hi i got some problem with aptitude |
| 17:21.09 | foo | Hmm, I am going to be ripping like 100 CDs. I want to stick with mp3's because of compatibility with devices (car stereo mp3 players, other handheld mp3 players, etc) ... so, is mp3 with a bitrate of 192 good? Probably, eh? |
| 17:21.16 | raf256 | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:21.24 | FabParma | Please, I'd like to autostart Firefox when i log in. Is it possible? |
| 17:21.25 | ^Nikos | stew, # mplayer -vo xv /media/hda5/Movies/Mission\ Impossible\ III\ a.avi |
| 17:21.30 | ^Nikos | ikos this does work |
| 17:21.31 | ^Nikos | ^Nikos but from gui it doesnt |
| 17:21.49 | green_earz | cliffd: i do not know if you could ? |
| 17:22.05 | Tassium | foo: Good for what, listening to in a car? Sure. |
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| 17:22.08 | abrotman | woodland: lokoing |
| 17:22.15 | woodland | abrotman, ok |
| 17:22.27 | foo | Tassium: Hm, right, my bad. Listening to in a car, a home stereo, mp3 player ... |
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| 17:22.37 | kspath | !tell cliffd about xorg sarge |
| 17:22.47 | stew | woodland: when you installed, 23 pacakges were installed when you purged only 21 of them were purged |
| 17:22.48 | abrotman | woodland: i think it's a flag you set .. but i'm not an aptitude expert |
| 17:22.50 | abrotman | !aptitude |
| 17:22.51 | dpkg | hmm... aptitude is a powerful and flexible package manager which is not afraid to experiment with new ideas. http://aptitude.sourceforge.net, or 'apt-get install aptitude', or http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/04/msg03138.html. But be careful boys'n'grilfs: Bug# 299009 |
| 17:22.51 | Tassium | foo: Sure. If you're worried about it, encode a few at different rates and give 'em a test listen before you do the massive batch. |
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| 17:23.06 | foo | Tassium: Ah, alright. Thanks |
| 17:23.15 | denmaeth | i got the upgrade for firefox now i am having problems - anyone else? |
| 17:23.20 | woodland | stew, so why is that |
| 17:23.20 | Tassium | foo: My poor damaged ears can't tell the difference anyway ;) |
| 17:23.24 | cliffd | kspath: thanks again. ill start talking to dpkg |
| 17:23.37 | Eulex | denmaeth, the security update for firefox in sarge? |
| 17:23.48 | stew | woodland: actually maybe i'm wrong |
| 17:23.48 | denmaeth | yes Eulex |
| 17:24.31 | Eulex | denmaeth, yep, me too, I downgraded to an older version (apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.4-2sarge4) |
| 17:24.40 | woodland | stew, while installing 23 packages were installed and while purging only 22 were removed. aptitude should have purged all of them |
| 17:24.42 | Equin | Do I need a firewall/virusscanner for debian? |
| 17:24.44 | denmaeth | when i try to play the white board brodcast it crashes |
| 17:24.49 | stew | woodland: i would guess that maybe 22 automatic packages were removed not purged |
| 17:24.59 | David3 | Equin firewall, maybe/probably; virus scanner, no. |
| 17:25.06 | kspath | stew: Could it be some dependencies that were installed caused themselves to be considered dependencies for other things installed already that were optional in their case(s) before? |
| 17:25.12 | Equin | any good firewall suggestions? |
| 17:25.17 | David3 | equin: I like guarddog |
| 17:25.22 | Equin | ok |
| 17:25.29 | stew | kspath: they were all correctly remved by aptitude when he purged |
| 17:25.37 | Tassium | Equin: I like shorewall. |
| 17:25.38 | David3 | equin: it's a gui tool, I think it uses ipchains or iptables as a backend, |
| 17:25.39 | Eulex | denmaeth, yes, I think my problems were related to flash too, didn't look into it very much though |
| 17:25.43 | stew | woodland: are you sure that purging a pacakge that causes removal of automatic packages cuases the automatic apcakges to be purged and not just removed, i would guess only removed |
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| 17:26.04 | stew | woodland: although 2.5MB sounds like a lot for config files for 22 packages |
| 17:26.05 | foo | Tassium: ahh, hehe. |
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| 17:26.15 | denmaeth | dang and i just got it working great just this week |
| 17:26.29 | woodland | stew, but that 23 rd package 'ttf-freefont' i in vlc 'depends' and i think aptitude removes all depends when you purge the package |
| 17:26.36 | Equin | thanks guys, i'll look into it |
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| 17:26.42 | Eulex | denmaeth, got fixed for me by downgrading. |
| 17:26.49 | kspath | stew: logging and other information as well? |
| 17:27.11 | denmaeth | is there a way to just take out the last upgrade? |
| 17:27.55 | stew | woodland: oh so ttf-freefont wasn't correctly marked as auto? please file a bug then. /msg dpkg reportbug |
| 17:27.59 | Feeblip | how do i install web and ftp on debian? |
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| 17:28.15 | woodland | stew, ok i will do that |
| 17:28.20 | stew | woodland: thanks! |
| 17:28.27 | valdyn | Feeblip: install WHAT? |
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| 17:28.34 | Feeblip | ftp server |
| 17:28.37 | Feeblip | and web server |
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| 17:28.53 | Tassium | Feeblip: Pick a ftp server, pick a web server, apt-get install the appropriate packages. |
| 17:28.58 | valdyn | Feeblip: apt-cache search ftp server |
| 17:29.06 | Feeblip | :S |
| 17:29.23 | Eulex | denmaeth, get the last security update from /msg dpkg sdn and dpkg -i it. or just apt-get install mozilla-firefox=1.0.4-2sarge4 (which gets the version of firefox that's in 3.1r2) |
| 17:29.44 | woodland | stew, people are using aptitude for a while. could there be a bug in it ? |
| 17:29.58 | stew | Feeblip: you probably want apache, do you know if you want apache or apache2? do you need anything special from your ftp server? if not, the popular ones are pureftpd vsftpd and proftpd |
| 17:30.06 | denmaeth | ok thank you Eulex |
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| 17:30.24 | David3 | Equin: if you're already behind a hardware firewall, on a small / home network, the firewall may not be terribly important |
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| 17:30.44 | god`maYer | how to overwrite a whole HDD that data is not able to be restored. I booted with a live CD, grml and now want jsut to "clear" the whole disk ( every partition ) |
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| 17:31.03 | Tassium | god`maYer: Use fdisk to delete the partitions |
| 17:31.23 | god`maYer | Tassium that doesnt delete the data |
| 17:31.40 | god`maYer | i must give the hdd away cause of garanty reasons |
| 17:31.41 | Tassium | That's correct, it doesn't. |
| 17:31.42 | David3 | god`maYer: is it important that you securely delete data? |
| 17:31.51 | kspath | god`maYer: You meant that does not overwrite the old data. |
| 17:32.03 | sid | god`maYer: mkfs.ext3 /dev/hda1; mount /dev/hda1 /tmp; schred /tmp;? |
| 17:32.08 | HelmutG | How to tell a dhcp3-server to use a fixed address for a pump client which provides a hostname via /etc/network/interfaces? |
| 17:32.15 | sid | god`maYer: after fdisk that is |
| 17:32.24 | David3 | sid: dude, shred does not work properly on a journalled filesystem |
| 17:32.42 | cliffd | thanks for all the help guys. |
| 17:32.44 | god`maYer | kspath exactly. |
| 17:32.48 | onetinsoldier | would someone tell me how i should go about making it so i can access sarge packages in etch by editing my sources.list? i would like to be able to install vlc media player. is it as easy as just making the same lines i have for etch below with sarge in place of the word etch? |
| 17:32.51 | Tassium | How about deleting all the partitions, make another partition filling the entire drive, and run mkswap on it? |
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| 17:32.59 | god`maYer | so just delete all partiions, create one big and then ? |
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| 17:33.06 | stew | woodland: you could see if you could reproduce it. if there is a bug it sounds like the but is with marking apckages as auto. You could try removing that package, and installing and removing again and see if it repeats. you could also try installing, marking ttf-frefont as auto and removing |
| 17:33.18 | kspath | god`maYer: You will likely want to do research. Determine how many times you want to write 0's and 1's or whatever to the "space" until you are comfortable with it. |
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| 17:33.36 | stew | woodland: i dont' know what the default state is for a never before installed package is though, so i'm not sure exactly which test is valid |
| 17:33.40 | HelmutG | I.e. what are common errors for why a dhcp3-server ignores option dhcp-client-identifier, but hardware ethernet works? |
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| 17:33.49 | David3 | god`maYer: I would be inclined to just directly write random data to the device, rather than repartitioning it and writing it using the filesystem |
| 17:34.01 | kspath | god`maYer: That is not a debian question. You will want to do research on the net regarding security and overwriting old data to reduce the ability to recover it. |
| 17:34.09 | woodland | stew, i tried to install and remove 'vlc' and it didnt happen again. |
| 17:34.37 | stew | woodland: i was able to replicate it here |
| 17:34.40 | David3 | god`maYer: dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hdb (where hdb is the drive you want to wipe) ... repeat as many times as you want. |
| 17:34.47 | stew | woodland: ttf-freefont wasn't removed for me either |
| 17:34.50 | woodland | stew, seems weird |
| 17:35.08 | David3 | god`maYer: you'll want to man dd and figure out an appropriate block size, and specify bs=x |
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| 17:35.33 | ^Nikos | what si the the loopback network interface |
| 17:35.33 | ^Nikos | ? |
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| 17:35.48 | David3 | ^Nikos: perhaps you mean localhost ? |
| 17:35.50 | blondie | ^Nikos: lo |
| 17:35.55 | ^Nikos | i though i had as an interface only my Realtek NIC |
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| 17:35.59 | ^Nikos | yes lo |
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| 17:36.18 | woodland | stew, why dont you also file a bug report for 'ttf-freefont' |
| 17:36.21 | Tassium | ^Nikos: It's a virtual interface that doesn't go anywhere. |
| 17:36.31 | stew | woodland: there is no reason for us both to |
| 17:36.39 | ^Nikos | whats the use of it if its fake? |
| 17:36.45 | ^Nikos | is ti 127.0.0.1 perhpas? |
| 17:36.52 | woodland | stew, ok |
| 17:36.53 | stew | woodland: if you file and give me the bug number, i can send a confirmation |
| 17:36.53 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Yes, it's 127.0.0.1. It's VERY useful. |
| 17:36.54 | ^Nikos | lo = 127.0.0.1 ? |
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| 17:37.22 | ^Nikos | Tassium, why is ti usefull? |
| 17:37.23 | stew | woodland: you'll be filing it against the sarge package, and i'll be confirming against the sid version |
| 17:37.25 | woodland | stew, i have never filed bug reports before, i will try and let you know |
| 17:37.38 | David3 | ^Nikos: 127.0.0.1 should be the same thing as localhost. IT just says, go back to my computer. It's tremendously useful if you have, e.g. apache running; then you can just go to your web browser and type http://localhost and see what your apache is serving up |
| 17:37.49 | stew | woodland: its definately somehting you should learn, it's a great way for you to help the project |
| 17:38.00 | woodland | stew, yup |
| 17:38.06 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Having a consistent way to talk to "this machine" is a good thing |
| 17:38.33 | FabParma | Please, I'd like to autostart Firefox when i log in. Is it possible to create a sort of batch that auto-starts? |
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| 17:38.43 | ^Nikos | yes David3 and Tassium :-) |
| 17:38.50 | ^Nikos | as a matetr of fact i ahve apche running |
| 17:39.06 | ^Nikos | and i sue http://localhost to view my webpage |
| 17:39.26 | kspath | stew++ |
| 17:39.40 | ^Nikos | if i set apache to lsiten on 127.0.0.1:80 then only me i can access my webpage? |
| 17:39.45 | Tassium | ^Nikos: localhost is also a great way to make a service available to your machine but not have it listening on a "public" interface |
| 17:39.52 | David3 | FabParma: sure. If you're running KDE, there are two different ways -- saving old sessions (so if you leave firefox up when you shut down, it will come back up) or including it in KDE's autostarts. Other desktop environments (e.g. GNOME, etc) probably have similar mechanisms |
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| 17:40.13 | kspath | stew: I am ignorant of how to increment your karma. |
| 17:40.27 | ptlis | stew++ |
| 17:40.28 | ^Nikos | so if i set apache to listen on 127.0.0.1:80 then only me i can access my webpage |
| 17:40.29 | Supaplex | !xinitrc |
| 17:40.29 | dpkg | methinks xinitrc is just use ~/.xsession, or (See entry for ".xinitrc"), or (See entry for "xsession") |
| 17:40.38 | David3 | ^Nikos: if you have apache running, then anyone who can "see" your machine can view your web page -- that's what firewalls are for, to restrict access |
| 17:40.47 | ^Nikos | no other guys form the net can or pehaps other folks from the same internal lan |
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| 17:41.06 | David3 | ^Nikos: it took me a while to figure out that apache serves web pages out of /var/www |
| 17:41.08 | blondie | David3: that's not necessarily true at all |
| 17:41.15 | kspath | !stew++ |
| 17:41.27 | woodland | stew, i am filing bug report. so which package i should file bug report for ? 'vlc' or 'ttf-freefont' ? |
| 17:41.30 | ^Nikos | David3, :-) |
| 17:41.38 | jair | hello guys. |
| 17:41.57 | ^Nikos | what does thi lien tells mys ystem to do |
| 17:41.59 | ^Nikos | iface lo inet loopback |
| 17:42.21 | Tassium | ^Nikos: That goes in /etc/network/interfaces, to set up the loopback interface. |
| 17:42.23 | abrotman | ^Nikos: that's the loopback interface |
| 17:42.24 | ^Nikos | its inside iface lo inet loopback |
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| 17:42.43 | David3 | blondie ^Nikos : sorry, I've never configured apache... ^Nikos did say he was setting apache to listen on 127.0.0.1 -- perhaps exclusively |
| 17:42.47 | stew | woodland: aptitude |
| 17:42.54 | woodland | stew, ok |
| 17:43.01 | David3 | I should say "s/he" since... I don't know! |
| 17:43.10 | rossi | I have some problem with my wlan |
| 17:43.14 | stew | woodland: this is a problem with aptitude not correctly removing automatically installed package |
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| 17:43.15 | ^Nikos | iface lo inet loopback == interface localhost internet loopback ? |
| 17:43.19 | stew | s |
| 17:43.21 | rossi | ndiswrapper |
| 17:43.24 | woodland | stew, ok |
| 17:43.39 | Tassium | ^Nikos: man 5 interfaces |
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| 17:43.50 | kspath | woodland: not every package is perfect. |
| 17:43.50 | rossi | sais that my pcmcia driver and hardware is recognized |
| 17:43.58 | rossi | but when I make iwconfig |
| 17:43.59 | biw | anyone able to point me to a decent gui dvd authoring package? |
| 17:43.59 | ^Nikos | man 5 = 5th page of manual of interfaces? |
| 17:44.01 | woodland | kspath, ok |
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| 17:44.05 | rossi | i cannot see anything |
| 17:44.08 | abrotman | biw: i've heard k3b is good |
| 17:44.11 | Tassium | ^Nikos: 5 is the section. |
| 17:44.11 | rossi | wlan0 or wlan1 |
| 17:44.29 | Tassium | ^Nikos: So, the "interfaces" manual page from section 5 of the manuals. |
| 17:44.33 | biw | abrotman: isn't that just a burner? |
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| 17:44.37 | David3 | ^Nikos: yeah, pretty much. "if" usually stands for 'interface'. so ifup = interface up, etc. ifconfig will show you a list of currently "configured" -- meaning "up" -- interfaces |
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| 17:44.47 | biw | I'd like to take some avi's convert them to the correct format, stick dvd menu on it etc? |
| 17:44.48 | abrotman | biw: i thought that's what you meant by authoring :) |
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| 17:45.03 | abrotman | biw: oh .. uhm .. wait .. cinerella ? |
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| 17:45.19 | David3 | rossi: it'll be easier to help you if you type several sentences on one line, so we can see everything you are saying together in one statement. |
| 17:45.26 | jair | hello abrotman I need a favor :) |
| 17:45.34 | onetinsoldier | would someone tell me how i should go about making it so i can access sarge packages in etch by editing my sources.list? i would like to be able to install vlc media player. is it as easy as just making the same lines i have for etch below with sarge in place of the word etch? |
| 17:45.35 | abrotman | woodland: just so you're aware .. forums.debian.net might be a better place to ask those kinds of questions |
| 17:45.39 | abrotman | jair: just ask |
| 17:45.47 | blondie | Hi! |
| 17:45.48 | woodland | abrotman, ok |
| 17:45.53 | zeroflag | something just happend to my server and it refuses any connection but my SSH login. what could be wrong? |
| 17:46.10 | jair | abrotman: one sec |
| 17:46.14 | jair | I will get back to you |
| 17:46.15 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: Pretty much. You'll probably want to edit (or create) /etc/apt/preferences to set priority ('pin') levels |
| 17:46.19 | kspath | woodland: There are many mailing lists as well. There are mailing list archives which can help before/after the fact. |
| 17:46.20 | jair | abrotman: phone call |
| 17:46.30 | woodland | kspath, thanxx |
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| 17:46.39 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: ok, sounds good. thank you! much appreciated |
| 17:46.56 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: If you want, I can pastebin my sources and prefs |
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| 17:47.16 | onetinsoldier | !Tassium++ |
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| 17:47.34 | HelmutG | What are common errors with dhcp-client-identifier? It just doesn't work on my machine. (I know that this is extremly precise, but tell me how to debug please.) |
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| 17:48.05 | rossi | well I have the problem with ndiswrapper that my diver and hardware is recognized when I make ndiswrapper -l but when I make then iwconfig I cannot see wlan0 or wlan1 |
| 17:48.14 | ^Nikos | man 5 itts difficult |
| 17:48.22 | ^Nikos | its not intorductory about interfaces |
| 17:48.32 | jair | abrotman: ok |
| 17:48.34 | ^Nikos | it thinks you already knwo stuff |
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| 17:49.52 | FabParma | How to autostart Firefox when i log in Gnome. Is it possible to create a sort of batch that auto-starts? or mybe by others ways |
| 17:50.04 | sortadi | haribol |
| 17:50.12 | jair | abrotman: sorry, here is the favor, I am setting up a readio station, and the server I am using is shoutcast, here is the ip address: 207.234.224.143:8000 |
| 17:50.24 | jair | is just to check if is up or not? |
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| 17:51.04 | David3 | ^Nikos: yeah, I know. I can try and answer your questions if you like. |
| 17:51.11 | abrotman | jair: you want me to check to see if it's up? |
| 17:51.19 | ^Nikos | david thank you |
| 17:51.23 | jair | abrotman: yes |
| 17:51.28 | ^Nikos | of course i like |
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| 17:51.38 | ^Nikos | its laways betetr to ask a human than a text file :) |
| 17:51.43 | ^Nikos | that assuem syou know stuff |
| 17:51.50 | cr3 | my ssh connections keep timing out, is there something I can do on the client side? |
| 17:52.03 | abrotman | jair: eh .. uhm .. i don't have any player capable of doing that installed here .. |
| 17:52.04 | Tassium | cr3: Turn on keepalives? |
| 17:52.06 | abrotman | jair: i'm also at work |
| 17:52.20 | jair | which one is the tool for windows and linux very useful to study your network ports and other security info "nt or np something"? |
| 17:52.34 | ^Nikos | David3, please descibe in a sentence what exactly this line does: iface lo inet loopback |
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| 17:52.43 | blondie | jair: nmap? |
| 17:52.45 | jair | abrotman: it is ok just try to see if you get the page |
| 17:52.52 | jair | blondie: got it :) |
| 17:53.03 | abrotman | jair: yes i do |
| 17:53.25 | jair | can you click on the links |
| 17:53.26 | jair | ? |
| 17:53.54 | kspath | cr3: man ssh_config ? |
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| 17:55.32 | jair | jelly: hello how are you? |
| 17:55.41 | yang | Is sarge going to be automatically updated to etch distribution, once etch becomes stable ? |
| 17:55.42 | ^Nikos | David3, ? |
| 17:55.42 | David3 | ^Nikos: (as far as I know ;-) "lo" is the name of the interface. you can call it whatever you want. "inet" I'm not sure, but probably means it's "like" and internet type of connection. "loopback" says, route it back to my computer, however that is done |
| 17:55.43 | roadfish | how well does Linux work with USB devices; and, specifically, DVD burners? with current internal DVD burners, they just work; so, same with externals? |
| 17:55.56 | kspath | yang: "automatically"? |
| 17:56.06 | David3 | ^Nikos: oh, and "iface" says, "hey, this is an interface that can be configured!" |
| 17:56.26 | yang | kspath: i mean if it will be an option to apt-get update and it will get replaced with all the new packages? |
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| 17:56.53 | cahoot | yang: only if youchange your sources.list to that effect |
| 17:56.58 | ^Nikos | yes |
| 17:57.07 | ^Nikos | well iam not usre i understoof what inet does |
| 17:57.20 | yang | cahoot: I want to keep the sources.list to stable, i wonder what happens when etch becomes stable |
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| 17:57.32 | David3 | ^Nikos: don't worry about it, neither do I :-) |
| 17:57.35 | ^Nikos | :) |
| 17:57.43 | ^Nikos | stew, can you enlight us? |
| 17:57.56 | cahoot | yang: use sarge explicitly instead of 'stable' then |
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| 17:58.14 | ^Nikos | the other is |
| 17:58.25 | ^Nikos | iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 17:58.34 | yang | cahoot: well, the sarge pool will probably dissapear, once when etch gets stable? |
| 17:58.42 | stew | inet means tcp/ip not ipv6 or ipx |
| 17:58.46 | David3 | ^Nikos: oh, it says "inet" is for TCP/IP |
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| 17:58.52 | kspath | yang: "disappear"? |
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| 17:59.19 | ^Nikos | inet = internet ? |
| 17:59.29 | yang | kspath: or will it receive the further updates ? |
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| 17:59.33 | stew | ^Nikos: basically: man interfaces |
| 17:59.40 | jair | blondie: can you do some test for me |
| 17:59.59 | David3 | roadfish: my advice would be, google for the specific drive model in google.com/linus and see what kind of results you get. Chances are, you'll find reports from people who got it working, or didn't get it working |
| 18:00.00 | jair | blondie: I have my server shoutcast running but I just need some test from ouside my network |
| 18:00.04 | kspath | yang: Unless something has changed you can see in mailing list archives what happened in transition from woody to sarge. |
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| 18:00.21 | ^Nikos | stew, it aint explaining nice |
| 18:00.29 | Novato | hello |
| 18:00.31 | yang | kspath: which mailing list qwould that be? |
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| 18:00.45 | ^Nikos | is there a link that cna expalin this things from scratch? |
| 18:00.50 | blondie | jair: I don't have shoutcast software |
| 18:00.51 | jair | someone here is willing to help me with the test of my stream mp3 server |
| 18:00.53 | jair | ? |
| 18:00.58 | kspath | !tell yang about mailing list |
| 18:00.59 | roadfish | David3: ok, thanks ... don't have a specific name pet tho |
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| 18:01.02 | jair | blondie: you don't need it |
| 18:01.04 | kspath | !tell yang about dist-upgrade |
| 18:01.05 | roadfish | s/pet/ye |
| 18:01.09 | jair | blondie: ready? |
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| 18:01.27 | stew | ^Nikos: what exactly is your question? |
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| 18:01.48 | ^Nikos | just want to udnerstand what each of the word are telling to my system |
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| 18:01.56 | David3 | roadfish: are you considering buying one, or do you have one and don't know what it is? If you are looking to purchase, I would definitely 1. find out what's on the market, 2. get model numbers, 3. google.com/linux by model number |
| 18:01.58 | ^Nikos | iface lo inet loopback |
| 18:02.10 | ^Nikos | and also this iface eth0 inet dhcp |
| 18:02.19 | jair | blondie: I will give you a web site with two different ports |
| 18:02.19 | stew | ^Nikos: man 5 interfaces |
| 18:02.25 | ^Nikos | i did |
| 18:02.26 | David3 | ^Nikos: so you weren't satisfied with my explanation, huh? |
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| 18:02.34 | roadfish | David3: I going to be buying |
| 18:02.37 | ^Nikos | David3, onyl with the loopback :) |
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| 18:02.50 | stew | ^Nikos: if there is something in particular in that manpage you don't understand ask a specific question about it |
| 18:02.57 | jair | blondie: the first one is: 207.234.224.143:8000 |
| 18:03.05 | kspath | !tell ^Nikos about grounding |
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| 18:03.27 | jair | blondie: nobody will bite you there is just to see if you can see my server up |
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| 18:04.30 | David3 | ^Nikos: alright, again, "eth0" is the name for the hardware device. I'll retract my earlier statement -- it's not arbitrary. "inet" means TCP/IP. "dhcp" means use dhcp, it is not a static IP. For example, if you weren't using dhcp, and you were behind a router, you might specify 192.168.1.44 |
| 18:04.51 | jair | allright blondie thank you for your help |
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| 18:05.26 | ^Nikos | iam behind a modem/router |
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| 18:05.39 | David3 | stew: I have to sympathize with ^Nikos here because the man pages are sooo dry and technical; they do not give step-by-step instructions and examples for newbies. And in my opinion, that means they're not well written -- although they may be very well written for another purpose |
| 18:05.40 | ^Nikos | that intercafes file created automatically by debian |
| 18:05.43 | ^Nikos | i didn edited it |
| 18:05.44 | Equin | How would I cd to a folder with spaces in its name |
| 18:06.08 | David3 | ^Nikos: well, I think it did a good job, because you seem to be here chatting with us ;-) |
| 18:06.10 | kastberg | Equin: using " |
| 18:06.23 | kastberg | or like this cd folder\ with\ spaces |
| 18:06.27 | ^Nikos | David3, this is exactly hjow i feel also for manpages |
| 18:06.41 | stew | David3: well he has to ask specific questions about which parts are confusing, unless he expects you to translate the entire manpage. and of course if you think the manpage can be improved upon your patches would be welcome |
| 18:07.02 | Tassium | Many of the manpages are already too long, and that's with dry, concise information. It is intended to be a quick reference. If you want full documentation for a package, look in /usr/share/doc/ |
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| 18:08.02 | kspath | David3: consider helping with /usr/share/doc and/or wiki.debian.org as well. |
| 18:08.04 | David3 | stew: no, he doesn't expect an entire translation of the manpage. he did not ask about mapping, auto, or allow-. he did not ask about pre-up, post-down, etc. |
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| 18:08.42 | jair | wahtever |
| 18:08.46 | jair | piss off |
| 18:08.46 | stew | jair: real cases of what? are you talking about interfaces? |
| 18:09.12 | ^Nikos | manapages not give step-by-step instructions and examples for newbies |
| 18:09.25 | ^Nikos | they just displayting a bunch of options |
| 18:09.40 | jair | stew: I am asking for some collaboration "just go to a site and tell me if is up or down" and nobody want to do it (scared of I don't know what)? |
| 18:09.53 | ^Nikos | what if someone doesnt know what even an "interface" is? |
| 18:09.55 | kspath | I think man should be altered to read minds. That way it will only give out the exact information required to copy/paste to "fix" whatever. |
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| 18:10.19 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Not to sound elitist or anything, but.. Given your refusal to read manuals and supporting documentation, are you sure Linux is for you? |
| 18:10.33 | stew | jair: what site? |
| 18:10.46 | ^Nikos | Tassium, i refused to ream abotu mplayer |
| 18:10.51 | FaithX | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:10.51 | David3 | kspath: yes! brilliant!! |
| 18:11.04 | jlaw | arr ... new kernel is finished |
| 18:11.08 | Tassium | FaithX: Use postsuper -d <queue id> |
| 18:11.08 | jlaw | wish me luck^^ |
| 18:11.10 | David3 | kspath: let's start that project, and write it in ada |
| 18:11.10 | ^Nikos | but stuff like netoworks interfaces are more important and i do want to read them |
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| 18:11.19 | pro21ms4 | xcv |
| 18:11.21 | kspath | FaithX: study postfix documentation and/or ask #postfix |
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| 18:11.51 | Tassium | (And yes, queue id's are case sensitive) |
| 18:12.23 | ^Nikos | is there a web page that explains from scratch and give example fro newbies? |
| 18:12.42 | David3 | I completely feel for ^Nikos, because I've spent hours and hours reading man pages and googling, and I often come back confused. Certain ones are easier, e.g. man dd, but these more complex things... the man pages just aren't reliable about providing USABLE instructions for those not already in the know |
| 18:13.13 | kspath | Whenever I read documentation and/or man pages and/or howtos and/or wiki and/or mailing lists... I find that something I read when researching served me later. |
| 18:13.24 | ^Nikos | yes David3 they just give out syntax options |
| 18:13.33 | ^Nikos | the dont explain about the command itself |
| 18:13.46 | ^Nikos | and in which case it must be uses and give examples |
| 18:13.48 | David3 | they serve as a reference for those who already understand basically how it works. And sure, they are extraordinarily valuable and everyone should read them... but not always the end-all |
| 18:13.58 | crazy_penguin | hi all. re |
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| 18:14.05 | stew | ^Nikos: the manpage gives examples and there are examples in /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
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| 18:14.36 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, is there a way to access from windows to LVM partitions (ext3) ? |
| 18:14.48 | blondie | probably not |
| 18:14.52 | deathfromafar | yeah |
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| 18:15.02 | kspath | David3: There are MANY other resources. manual pages are often a first stop or last stop. Not understanding or not willing to read manual pages should not be an excuse to ask non-debian questions or basic grounding questions over and over and over and over. |
| 18:15.08 | stew | ^Nikos: or you could try etherconf if you don't want to have to figure out the interfaces file |
| 18:15.08 | deathfromafar | There is an NTEXT3 driver |
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| 18:15.19 | David3 | kspath: yeah, but, dude, he DID read the manpage |
| 18:15.25 | yang | When upgrading from KDE3.4 to 3.5 (etch) my window manager got replaced, previously xdm, now kdm...and it fails to startx, the error is (EE) no devices detected, fatal server error (no screens found) |
| 18:15.27 | jair | stew: can you check if my shoutcast is running? |
| 18:15.27 | ^Nikos | stew /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples |
| 18:15.29 | yang | my xorg.conf is still the same |
| 18:15.32 | SonnyBurnett | deathfromafar, really? where can I get from? |
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| 18:15.39 | jair | now that nobody here want to. |
| 18:15.43 | ^Nikos | are just examples with no commentary on what thay do |
| 18:15.44 | deathfromafar | hang on let me check |
| 18:15.47 | ^Nikos | just simple code |
| 18:16.05 | ^Nikos | maybe tldp.org is the right place |
| 18:16.10 | ^Nikos | fro a beginner |
| 18:16.11 | Tassium | jair: You can't connect to your own shoutcast? |
| 18:16.13 | jair | it is any aim in text mode for debian |
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| 18:16.17 | ^Nikos | to follow step by step instructions |
| 18:16.22 | stew | jair: what site? |
| 18:16.25 | jair | Tassium: I am behind a FIREWALL |
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| 18:16.49 | jair | 207.234.224.143:8010 |
| 18:16.49 | stew | ^Nikos: i'm talking about "zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 18:16.53 | kspath | David3: Did whomever check wikis, mailing lists, mailing list archives, other documentation, howtos, linux doc project, ... countless resources. Did the person realize they lack so much knowledge that they need local hand holding assistance? |
| 18:17.04 | David3 | one of my most substantial troubles in trying to be a "good *nixer" has been... where do I go for help? I spend hours and hours looking at different man pages, different documentations, wikis, different web resources... and I still resurface, confused. |
| 18:17.08 | ^Nikos | here: http://www.tldp.org/LDP/nag/node67.html |
| 18:17.12 | ^Nikos | that a ncie intoductory |
| 18:17.18 | jair | and this one 207.234.224.143:8000 |
| 18:17.27 | ^Nikos | dell:~# zless /usr/share/doc/ifupdown/examples/network-interfaces.gz |
| 18:17.27 | ^Nikos | /bin/zless: line 4: exec: less: not found |
| 18:17.42 | jair | stew: I am trying to set up three streamstation i the same server |
| 18:17.47 | stew | jair: i can hit the :8010 webpage which says "Server Status: Server is currently down." |
| 18:17.59 | stew | jair: same with :8000 |
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| 18:18.07 | stew | ^Nikos: apt-get install less |
| 18:18.08 | Tassium | ^Nikos: Install the 'less' package. |
| 18:18.14 | MrNaz | you type apt-get update to install the newest security patches yes? |
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| 18:18.16 | kspath | David3: It is somewhat obvious that you make a serious effort. At some point there are some limits. Maybe someone lacking so much knowledge should take a break and re-read and re-check and re-search the countless resources. |
| 18:18.16 | jair | stew: you never ever has configure a shoutcast right? |
| 18:18.23 | jair | stew: that means is good |
| 18:18.34 | Tassium | MrNaz: No, you do 'apt-get update' to refresh the list of available packages |
| 18:18.39 | jair | it is down because I am not broadcastin |
| 18:18.43 | deathfromafar | SonnyBurnett: there are two that i know work, Ext2FSD on sourceforge and fs-driver.org |
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| 18:18.48 | stew | jair: if you mean do i have a shoutcast plugin configured into my browser then no |
| 18:18.49 | jair | stew: but I appreciate your help |
| 18:18.56 | jair | stew: never mind |
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| 18:19.03 | stew | MrNaz: no, update just updates the lists of available software, upgrade actually upgrades |
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| 18:19.13 | David3 | kspath: how many hoops do you want a person to jump through to get their internet working, if they really do not understand? |
| 18:19.13 | stew | !wikifaq MrNaz PackageManagement |
| 18:19.14 | dpkg | MrNaz: check out http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/PackageManagement or if that doesn't work, try http://www.linuks.mine.nu/debian-faq-wiki/ |
| 18:19.18 | jair | stew: this is what you see right --> 8000 a black background and the links |
| 18:19.19 | zamaliphe | how to watch what users are doing in ssh ? |
| 18:19.26 | jair | stew: it is that correct? |
| 18:19.40 | jair | stew: in the server that ends in 8000 |
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| 18:19.54 | jair | stew: what about the one that ends in 8010? |
| 18:20.02 | SonnyBurnett | deathfromafar, but they can can access to LVM for sure? |
| 18:20.14 | kspath | David3: That is going to be relative. Some people are so lacking in knowledge that they need someone dedicated to assisting them off-channel. |
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| 18:20.18 | stew | jair: i don't see any links to any streams, just a D.N.A.S status page which says Server Status: Server is currently down. |
| 18:20.23 | David3 | kspath: my first experience with debian, I spent dozens of hours trying to get internet working. I didn't ask in chat groups, I just googled and looked at man pages. And you know what? I failed, couldn't get it working, went back to windows |
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| 18:20.42 | stew | jair: and this link: http://207.234.224.143:8000/home.html seem sto redirect me to shoutcast .com |
| 18:20.57 | jair | stew good |
| 18:21.06 | jair | you get the same in both ports I gave you? |
| 18:21.06 | stew | David3: apt-get install etherconf |
| 18:21.08 | David3 | kspath: well, that's reasonable. so you think off-channel private /msg'ing would be more appropriate in this case? |
| 18:21.11 | stew | jair: yes |
| 18:21.25 | kspath | David3: That is personal choice. |
| 18:21.28 | jair | stew: ok try this now: same ip port 8020 |
| 18:21.30 | deathfromafar | im not too sure |
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| 18:21.45 | jair | stew: http://207.234.224.143:8020 |
| 18:21.46 | McCall | hello |
| 18:21.46 | stew | jair: connection refused |
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| 18:21.56 | jair | now you can see the difference |
| 18:22.27 | jair | stew: if you get the web interface "server is good but not broadcasting" |
| 18:22.27 | David3 | kspath: well... are you annoyed at me for helping ^N in-channel? is that inappropriate? I'm new to IRC, am trying to figure out the etiquette, and it's difficult because there's so much politics involved, "read the manpage", etc |
| 18:22.50 | stew | David3: it is appropriate, don't worry about it |
| 18:22.57 | jair | stew: if you don't get the black background "server is not working with the port I gave you" |
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| 18:23.03 | jair | stew: thank you though |
| 18:23.13 | jair | can we try a third one let me fix it |
| 18:23.18 | jair | the last one I gave you |
| 18:23.34 | McCall | i've got a pb with dpkg/apt. i've try to install a deb via "dpkg -i" but that one conflicts with many other package so i don't want to install it but now apt want me to install that package (it says me to try "apt-get install -f" to install the package but i don't want to install it) what can i do ? |
| 18:23.35 | David3 | stew: thx, I feel, err, what's my adjective. justified is not quite it |
| 18:23.40 | kspath | David3: I simply put ^Nikos on ignore. You are welcome to try to help anyone within reason. I am only suggesting that some seem to show unwillingness or inability to help others help them. |
| 18:23.43 | junix|work | where are the gd libs stored in etch? |
| 18:23.52 | junix|work | i mean sid |
| 18:23.54 | junix|work | not eatch |
| 18:23.56 | junix|work | etch |
| 18:23.56 | David3 | kspath: sure. chron comes to mind. |
| 18:24.02 | stew | kspath: if you put ^Nikos on ignore you should be staying out of this entirely |
| 18:24.14 | kspath | stew: Stay out of what? |
| 18:24.28 | David3 | eh, "should" |
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| 18:25.32 | blondie | next version of what? |
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| 18:25.35 | stew | apt: owner |
| 18:25.36 | apt | TimRiker is my owner |
| 18:25.36 | David3 | mccall: so 1. you did NOT install with dpkg -i because of the warning 2. you have NOT installed yet with apt-get 3. what do you want to get working? |
| 18:25.46 | kspath | David3: If it matters. I think it is nice of you to try to help ^Nikos. |
| 18:26.01 | Tassium | blootbot 1.3.3 cvs, eh? |
| 18:26.05 | stew | kspath: it seemed like you were being critical of David3, which i dont' think is fair |
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| 18:26.12 | abrotman | junix|work: dpkg -L <pkg> |
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| 18:26.23 | David3 | kspath: oh, well thanks for saying so. I wasn't feeling personally attacked or anything |
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| 18:26.45 | kspath | stew: "seemed" "fair" I was only suggesting that some come into the channel and appear unable to help others help them. |
| 18:27.13 | SonnyBurnett | deathfromafar, Ihave tried....its not possible :( |
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| 18:27.33 | yang | What is that trigger for "nvidia oneliner" to compile drivers for nvidia? |
| 18:27.33 | stew | kspath: but you were only seeing one side of the conversation, so how would you really know |
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| 18:27.37 | deathfromafar | hmm, not too suprising really |
| 18:27.57 | stew | !nvidia oneliner is <reply>see nvidia one-liner |
| 18:27.57 | dpkg | stew: okay |
| 18:28.06 | David3 | hehe, nikos is gone :-) |
| 18:28.14 | kspath | stew: Previous messages from ^Nikos and previous experience. "seemed" |
| 18:28.14 | David3 | I didn't even see him leave |
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| 18:28.37 | yang | stew: its required with every Xorg update, to build new nvidia driver? |
| 18:28.41 | kspath | David3: ^Nikos will come back. No worries. |
| 18:28.43 | stew | yang: i have no idea |
| 18:28.49 | David3 | lol |
| 18:28.52 | valdyn | yang: no never |
| 18:29.06 | yang | valdyn: well my Xorg complains to start |
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| 18:29.25 | valdyn | yang: that isnt enough info for me to help you |
| 18:29.38 | yang | valdyn: i havent changed anything in xorg.conf, except i did apt-get dist-upgrade and it got me newer libs for Xorg |
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| 18:29.56 | yang | When upgrading from KDE3.4 to 3.5 (etch) my window manager got replaced, previously xdm, now kdm...and it fails to startx, the error is (EE) no devices detected, fatal server error (no screens found) |
| 18:29.57 | kspath | yang: sarge? etch? sid? Xorg install how? nividia driver from where? |
| 18:30.17 | valdyn | !noscreensfound |
| 18:30.18 | dpkg | hmm... noscreensfound is probably dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 and SAY NO to the framebuffer question. If that doesn't work, ask me about "troubleshooting x" NOT A SODDING ERROR. read your XFree86 log to find the actual problem. There will be an earlier error (marked "(EE)") that is the actual problem. |
| 18:30.22 | Zaggynl | Hi, I've installed samba and swat, but I'm unable to acces the swat web interface at hostname:901 |
| 18:30.22 | valdyn | yang: ^^^ |
| 18:30.23 | junix|work | abrotman: but are they all stored in /usr/lib or /lib? |
| 18:30.38 | Zaggynl | Would anyone know what I could have done wrong? |
| 18:30.40 | abrotman | junix|work: dpkg -L <pkg> .. look for yourself |
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| 18:30.46 | valdyn | yang: applies the same to xorg, with its slightly altered filenames |
| 18:30.52 | yang | ok |
| 18:30.54 | wmcinnis | ok i just got debian sarge installed |
| 18:30.56 | wmcinnis | 1 question |
| 18:31.01 | abrotman | !win wmcinnis |
| 18:31.01 | dpkg | Congratulations, wmcinnis! You have won the US presidency! |
| 18:31.04 | wmcinnis | is there like a hardware configure app? |
| 18:31.09 | kspath | yang: as valdyn pointed out /msg dpkg noscreenfound just in case scroll impacted |
| 18:31.14 | wmcinnis | abrotman: thanks |
| 18:31.15 | abrotman | wmcinnis: to configure what? |
| 18:31.15 | valdyn | !wayttd wmcinnis |
| 18:31.15 | dpkg | What Are You Trying To Do, wmcinnis? |
| 18:31.26 | David3 | wmcinnis: congrats. are you using it right now to chat here? |
| 18:31.26 | wmcinnis | like network and stuff like that |
| 18:31.34 | wmcinnis | nope |
| 18:31.34 | abrotman | depends on your window manager/DE |
| 18:31.38 | wmcinnis | no WM |
| 18:31.40 | wmcinnis | console |
| 18:31.44 | wmcinnis | like in slackware |
| 18:31.46 | wmcinnis | i had netconfig |
| 18:31.56 | valdyn | wmcinnis: network isnt hardware, a nic is hardware, a cable is hardware, there's software to configure networking, yes |
| 18:32.02 | abrotman | ethtool |
| 18:32.04 | David3 | wmcinnis: it'd be appreciated if you would type several statements on one line, instead of typing many one-liners |
| 18:32.13 | abrotman | !tell David3 about enter |
| 18:32.27 | Zaggynl | !giev magical swat web interface |
| 18:32.32 | valdyn | wmcinnis: 'man interfaces' for instance |
| 18:32.36 | wmcinnis | ok iam sorry |
| 18:32.53 | Zaggynl | My swat service is running, but I cannot acces it from another pc in the same network, no firewalls |
| 18:33.08 | wmcinnis | fire:~# man interface |
| 18:33.08 | wmcinnis | No manual entry for interface |
| 18:33.21 | valdyn | wmcinnis: i never mentioned 'interface' |
| 18:33.23 | wmcinnis | doh there is an s |
| 18:33.24 | wmcinnis | there |
| 18:33.35 | venger | For iptables, I've got a few log entry filters (-j LOG --log-level INFO) setup in my script and despite having removed the entire ../dev/xconsole section of /etc/syslog.conf as a test, I am still getting iptables log messages to my current tty. I've made sure syslogd has been restarted. Any ideas on what else I can try? |
| 18:33.39 | Tassium | Zaggynl: We'd need to see your SWAT config |
| 18:33.56 | blondie | swat is usually accessible only by localhost |
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| 18:33.59 | valdyn | venger: vi /etc/sysctl.conf |
| 18:34.01 | Zaggynl | Tassium: thanks for responding, but I haven't touched the swat file yet |
| 18:34.09 | David3 | wmcinnis: what do you want to do first? do you want to get a GUI running, or do you want to get the network running? It might be worthwhile to test and see if you already have network connectivity. ping google.com and press ctrl-c when you're done testing |
| 18:34.16 | blondie | Zaggynl: see above |
| 18:34.24 | kolibrie | I upgraded xorg this morning, and now startx gives me a blank screen and an unresponsive keyboard. /var/log/Xorg.0.log says: |
| 18:34.27 | Tassium | Zaggynl: I meant how you've got it set up to run in inetd or xinetd |
| 18:34.27 | kolibrie | (II) Loading /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so |
| 18:34.30 | kolibrie | dlopen: /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so: undefined symbol: FreeTypeRegisterFontFileFunctions |
| 18:34.33 | kolibrie | (EE) Failed to load /usr/lib/xorg/modules/fonts/libfreetype.so |
| 18:34.35 | blondie | warning: spam |
| 18:34.53 | Zaggynl | Tassium: I did 'apt-get install samba' and 'apt-get install swat' |
| 18:34.54 | zamaliphe | what is the log for ssh ?how to know what ht |
| 18:34.59 | wmcinnis | i have dhcpd |
| 18:34.59 | valdyn | kolibrie: that EE has nothing to do with your abovementioned issue |
| 18:35.04 | blondie | Zaggynl: please read what I said |
| 18:35.09 | wmcinnis | i just wanted to know if there was a program like netconfig |
| 18:35.10 | zamaliphe | what is the log for ssh ?how to know what the users doing ? |
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| 18:35.13 | wmcinnis | for debian |
| 18:35.22 | Zaggynl | blondie: are you reffering to 'swat is usually accessible only by localhost' |
| 18:35.27 | blondie | yes |
| 18:35.29 | Zaggynl | okay |
| 18:35.30 | valdyn | wmcinnis: etherconf |
| 18:35.33 | wmcinnis | thanks |
| 18:35.35 | kolibrie | valdyn: what should I look for? |
| 18:35.36 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: i have a question about setting a Pin in preferences. is 'etch' recognized as a release pin? or do i have to put 'testing'? |
| 18:35.37 | yang2 | valdyn: what is a problem with artsd now its using 96% of my CPU ... ? |
| 18:35.41 | Zaggynl | guess i'll have to acces it via links or (ugh) install X with firefox? |
| 18:35.46 | valdyn | kolibrie: more EE |
| 18:35.47 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: That I don't konw. I'm sorry. |
| 18:35.50 | blondie | or you could ssh tunnel |
| 18:35.53 | valdyn | yang2: no idea |
| 18:36.00 | Tassium | Zaggynl: Or find where it's configured in xinetd and alter the settings |
| 18:36.07 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: ok. that's cool. thanks |
| 18:36.13 | yang2 | valdyn: now after the new KDE started, its using this |
| 18:36.20 | mutante | wmcinnis: ifconfig |
| 18:36.31 | mutante | oh,that was late..nv |
| 18:36.32 | Zaggynl | well, I cannot acces hostname:901 from links either, connection refused |
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| 18:36.41 | kolibrie | valdyn: perhaps: (EE) I810(0): [dri] I830DRIScreenInit failed because of a version mismatch. |
| 18:36.45 | Zaggynl | I'll go digging in .conf files then |
| 18:36.52 | valdyn | kolibrie: that's a good one |
| 18:37.03 | yang2 | valdyn: and what does artsd stand for, there is no manual |
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| 18:37.22 | valdyn | !arts |
| 18:37.22 | dpkg | well, arts is the multimedia framework of KDE, or teh sux, or see "esound". Arts Ruins Teh Sound |
| 18:37.23 | valdyn | !artss |
| 18:37.24 | valdyn | !artsd |
| 18:37.25 | dpkg | artsd is probably the much maligned soundserver of the much maligned analog Real time synthesizer |
| 18:37.26 | blondie | Zaggynl: you have to use localhost |
| 18:37.31 | blondie | Zaggynl: not the hostname |
| 18:37.33 | David3 | wmcinnis: btw, do you know abou virtual terminals? press ctrl-alt-f2 or ctrl-alt-f3 to have a different virtual terminal. That way you can log into ONE of them as root, and use another one for things that do not need root privilege |
| 18:37.37 | Zaggynl | blondie: okay, ill try that |
| 18:38.03 | Zaggynl | blondie: same answer, connection refused |
| 18:38.08 | wmcinnis | David3: well consider the fact that my server is not even in the same state as me i cant do that |
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| 18:38.15 | wmcinnis | david3 iam sshed into it |
| 18:38.18 | wmcinnis | over a VPN |
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| 18:38.21 | blondie | Zaggynl: maybe its not running then |
| 18:38.25 | valdyn | kolibrie: a) Xorg in the debian release you are using is messed up or b) your havent installed that xorg properly, or c) issue with your kernel ( no idea about that one ) |
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| 18:38.29 | valdyn | kolibrie: try apt-get install xorg |
| 18:38.35 | David3 | wmcinnis: well, clearly internet is working in that case! |
| 18:38.42 | Zaggynl | blondie: I just ran px ax | grep swat, and I can confirm it's running. |
| 18:38.49 | SonnyBurnett | Hi, is there a way to access from windows to LVM partitions (ext3) ? |
| 18:38.56 | wmcinnis | David3: well it is now debconf worked |
| 18:39.05 | David3 | yay! |
| 18:39.11 | blondie | Zaggynl: well its not listening on 901 then |
| 18:39.13 | js_ | SonnyBurnett: using vmware |
| 18:39.22 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: you might try samba |
| 18:39.29 | valdyn | Zaggynl: netstat -plunt | grep swat |
| 18:39.36 | Zaggynl | valdyn: okay |
| 18:39.45 | kolibrie | valdyn: xorg updated today already, but I can try again |
| 18:40.10 | Zaggynl | valdyn: nothing returned |
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| 18:40.24 | valdyn | Zaggynl: did you run that command as root? |
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| 18:40.26 | Zaggynl | pardon my ignorance, what does netstat do? is it the same as in windows? |
| 18:40.28 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: or... are you dual-booting, and you want to have windows access the hard drive directly? samba will only work if LVM is on a different machine that is running linux at the same time. |
| 18:40.31 | Zaggynl | valdyn: yep I'm root |
| 18:40.31 | kolibrie | valdyn: xorg is already the newest version. |
| 18:40.34 | SonnyBurnett | js_, David3, what I want is to play mi mp3 files from windows, my mp3 files are in a LVM |
| 18:40.47 | valdyn | Zaggynl: so swat is maybe running but its sure not listening to any port |
| 18:41.01 | blondie | SonnyBurnett: the answer is... "no" |
| 18:41.18 | Zaggynl | valdyn: okay, I couldn't find any conf files of swat with 'find / -name *swat*' either |
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| 18:41.31 | valdyn | Zaggynl: netstat -plunt will list processes listening to network ports by name |
| 18:41.36 | cr3 | how can I determine the amount of physical of memory on a system? |
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| 18:41.40 | SonnyBurnett | So the best solution is leave my mp3 files in a FAT32 partition |
| 18:41.44 | stew | cr3: cat /proc/meminfo |
| 18:41.47 | Zaggynl | valdyn: ah nice *adds to linux notes list* |
| 18:41.47 | blondie | SonnyBurnett: probably |
| 18:41.50 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: I don't know what the state of things is at the moment... but if the partitions were ext2 instead of LVM, then you could use explore2fs |
| 18:41.55 | Tassium | valdyn: Ummm.. Specifying -n to netstat will not use names, it'll use numbers |
| 18:42.05 | valdyn | Tassium: so? |
| 18:42.11 | valdyn | Tassium: try running that command |
| 18:42.16 | kolibrie | valdyn: kernel is 2.6.10, xorg was running fine till upgrade this morning. Is there a specific dri package I need to install? |
| 18:42.19 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: the explore2fs guy also has a driver that can make an ext2 partition look like a normal windows drive letter, F:\ or whatever |
| 18:42.37 | valdyn | kolibrie: apt-get install would get them all afaik |
| 18:42.39 | SonnyBurnett | David3, I have tried, but I cant see my LVM's |
| 18:42.46 | Tassium | valdyn: Shouldn't you grep 901 instead of using the name then? |
| 18:42.51 | kspath | Tassium: -n is used to avoid dependency on NS . |
| 18:42.54 | kolibrie | valdyn: bummer |
| 18:43.00 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: why lvm? why not just plain ext2 partitions? |
| 18:43.13 | Tassium | kspath: Yes, I realize that |
| 18:43.21 | valdyn | Tassium: -plunt will list port numbers, names, pids ( and more ) |
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| 18:43.35 | godlie | hi got heavy troubles with my server |
| 18:43.41 | kspath | !stew++ |
| 18:43.48 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: ... or ext3 for / |
| 18:43.48 | Tassium | Alright, forget it - we're obviously miscommunicating |
| 18:43.51 | kspath | !valdyn++ |
| 18:44.00 | godlie | processes are frozen an high average load an mass of kernel error messages. http://nopaste.php-q.net/213033 <-- here they are |
| 18:44.03 | godlie | can someone help me? |
| 18:44.14 | tarzeau | godlie: which kernel? |
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| 18:44.22 | jair | stew: still here? |
| 18:44.22 | kolibrie | valdyn: ah ha: [dri] i915 kernel module version is 1.1.0 but version 1.4 or greater is needed. |
| 18:44.33 | tarzeau | godlie: machine only does ftp? how's memory usage? |
| 18:44.35 | kolibrie | valdyn: so definitely a kernel issue |
| 18:44.45 | valdyn | kolibrie: nice |
| 18:44.47 | SonnyBurnett | David3, Ohh LVM is great, you can expand/reduce partition on hot, also you can add one more hdd use it whenever you want |
| 18:44.53 | jair | stew: I have the other server ready to test. |
| 18:45.05 | godlie | Linux debian 2.6.8-11-amd64-generic #1 Wed Jun 1 00:42:47 CEST 2005 x86_64 GNU/ |
| 18:45.08 | godlie | this is my kernel |
| 18:45.12 | kolibrie | valdyn: so that means I need a kernel upgrade? |
| 18:45.17 | Tassium | SonnyBurnett: Don't use ext2/ext3 with lvm if you want to do hot resizing |
| 18:45.18 | valdyn | kolibrie: yes |
| 18:45.31 | kolibrie | valdyn: thanks, trying that now |
| 18:45.33 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: well yeah, LVM is great for some things, but if you're dual-booting with windows, you won't be able to access them! |
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| 18:45.44 | wmcinnis | valdyn: were is the rc.local file? |
| 18:45.50 | valdyn | !rc.local |
| 18:45.51 | dpkg | rumour has it, rc.local is the boot script for BSD/slackware/redhat systems but is considered to be a hack for lazy people. Use the sysvinit method via update-rc.d or read /etc/init.d/README or "man update-rc.d", "apt-get install rcconf", or try "sysvconfig", or /etc/rc.boot/ directory, /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh file and /etc/init.d/skeleton template. If you don't like SysV, consider file-rc. |
| 18:45.58 | kspath | !valdyn++ |
| 18:46.08 | jair | stew? |
| 18:46.12 | abrotman | jair? |
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| 18:46.27 | SonnyBurnett | David3, is the only problem I have,,,,, I just use windows 2 times a year.. so it wont be a problem for me |
| 18:46.34 | jelly-ho | kolibrie: that's the DRI (3d) part of the driver, it ought to run even without it. |
| 18:46.39 | SonnyBurnett | Tassium, Why not? I'm doing that perfectly |
| 18:46.57 | stew | jair: yeah |
| 18:47.02 | Tassium | SonnyBurnett: Because you can't resize a mounted ext2 or ext3 filesystem |
| 18:47.05 | jair | thank you |
| 18:47.15 | godlie | tarzeau this machine has running ftp, some gameservers <-- those are frozen, an webserver |
| 18:47.22 | SonnyBurnett | Tassium, of course you have to unmount them before that work |
| 18:47.22 | kolibrie | jelly-ho: so something else might be wrong which could be fixed more easily? |
| 18:47.24 | jair | stew: I just want to say thank you and also ask you if you can test the last one |
| 18:47.28 | Shadowcat | Tassium: ya you can, if you happen to not care about the data on it >:) |
| 18:47.30 | SonnyBurnett | *umount |
| 18:47.31 | jair | I will be running a last one |
| 18:47.32 | stew | jair: :8020 is connection refused |
| 18:47.37 | jair | no not yet |
| 18:47.44 | jair | stew: not yet i stope |
| 18:47.45 | Tassium | Shadowcat: Yeah, there's a kernel patch for it, but it's rumored to be...unstable. |
| 18:47.48 | jair | stopped |
| 18:47.55 | jair | stew: give me 5 minutes |
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| 18:48.13 | Tassium | ReiserFS will do a hot resize though. |
| 18:48.15 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: ...and it's terribly important that you have access to your entire music collection when you do use windoze 2 times a year, and thus would rather keep the entire collection on FAT32? Well, that's your choice. If money isn't a huge issue, you might buy an external HDD just for the music, and make it ext2 so you can access from windows and linux |
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| 18:48.42 | rower_ | hello.. |
| 18:48.58 | rower_ | i have a problem with alien and ati drivers.. i get this error: www.pastebin.se -> Rower |
| 18:49.00 | rower_ | plz help med |
| 18:49.09 | tarzeau | godlie: which game servers? |
| 18:49.10 | valdyn | rower_: why the HELL are you using alien? |
| 18:49.21 | SonnyBurnett | David3, is not the same solution keeping it in a FAT32 partition, both Linux and Windoze can writre/read FAt32 |
| 18:49.22 | valdyn | rower_: when ATI DOES provide debian packages indirectly |
| 18:49.34 | jelly-ho | kolibrie: maybe not easily, but definitely differently. |
| 18:49.36 | tarzeau | rower_: #ati ? |
| 18:49.40 | godlie | tarzeau half life |
| 18:49.40 | rower_ | aah thanx |
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| 18:50.15 | rower_ | valdyn: a dude in the debian.se channel told me to.. the package is an rpm package.. and he told me to alien the package.. |
| 18:50.18 | David3 | SonnyBurnett: explore2fs can write to ext2 |
| 18:50.26 | valdyn | rower_: bad advice |
| 18:50.27 | jelly-ho | kolibrie: I just think DRI could be a red herring. |
| 18:50.28 | rower_ | valdyn: the installed ati program in x didnt work |
| 18:50.28 | salah | hi. is there anyone who want to share their sources.list with me? :) |
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| 18:50.36 | Ronin | salah: why? just run apt-setup |
| 18:50.42 | rower_ | valdyn: tell me how i should do then |
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| 18:50.59 | valdyn | tarzeau had a web page about that? |
| 18:51.01 | David3 | salah: what part of the world do you live in? I live in Los Angeles, so I use USC's servers |
| 18:51.03 | kolibrie | jelly-ho: there are also freetype errors |
| 18:51.14 | valdyn | rower_: ATIs installer can generate debs, not sure if they work in sid |
| 18:51.24 | rower_ | valdyn: what is sid? |
| 18:51.32 | tarzeau | valdyn: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
| 18:51.38 | valdyn | rower_: which debian release are you running? |
| 18:51.42 | tarzeau | rower_: use the link above, that works |
| 18:51.45 | rower_ | valdyn: dono really .. |
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| 18:51.51 | rower_ | tarzeau: THANX |
| 18:51.59 | valdyn | rower_: cat /etc/debian_version |
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| 18:52.04 | dob1 | hi, there is a client for voipstunt on debian? |
| 18:52.27 | salah | David3, Ronin, my package system is broken |
| 18:52.32 | David3 | dob1: have you searched for one on packages.debian.org ? |
| 18:52.45 | salah | so I need to fix it again |
| 18:53.11 | rower_ | valdyn 3.1 |
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| 18:53.30 | valdyn | rower_: the debs generated by ATIs installer ought to work then |
| 18:53.32 | David3 | salah: broken, how? are you running unstable? |
| 18:53.43 | valdyn | rower_: or tarzeaus site I guess ( i dont know it ) |
| 18:53.46 | jelly-ho | kolibrie: use paster to put the whole Xorg.0.log online. /msg dpkg paster |
| 18:53.47 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: well, since you showed me your preferences file and gave me the man page to read, i studied it for a while and decided to put in unstable to get vlc from. ;-) |
| 18:53.59 | Tassium | onetinsoldier: Woo! Here's hoping it don't blow up. |
| 18:54.03 | onetinsoldier | lol |
| 18:54.16 | rower_ | valdyn: it was only a txt doc in it.. so i guess not.. but hey.. how do i generate the ati installer then ? |
| 18:54.23 | SonnyBurnett | hi, is there possible to install amarok 1.4 in testing? |
| 18:54.46 | David3 | salah: google gives http://openskills.info/infobox.php?ID=1100 as the fourth result for /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 18:54.57 | valdyn | rower_: you download ati's installer, you run it, you will be asked if you want to generate distro specific packages, i guess |
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| 18:55.08 | Tassium | SonnyBurnett: I believe amarok 1.4 is in unstable |
| 18:55.13 | dob1 | David3, yes it's a client for sip protocol, i found webphone (or similar name i don't remember) but was no good |
| 18:55.19 | salah | David3, no, I am using ubuntu, I tried to install a package which was for debian, and then it said I should run apt-get install -f, but when I do that, it tries to remove all packages on my machine |
| 18:55.21 | valdyn | !ati drivers |
| 18:55.21 | dpkg | If you wish to use ATI's closed-source binary fglrx driver, then follow the instructions on http://stanchina.net/~flavio/debian-official/fglrx-driver.html - do NOT try to convert the drivers from ATI's website yourself with Alien. These drivers support Radeon 8500 or higher cards. |
| 18:55.28 | jelly-ho | kolibrie: just for fun, try unloading i810 module from kernel |
| 18:55.34 | valdyn | rower_: DONT follow what dpkg said |
| 18:55.36 | SonnyBurnett | Tassium, CAn i install amarok 1.4 without problems? |
| 18:55.51 | Tassium | SonnyBurnett: I know nothing about your system, so I can't answer that. |
| 18:55.58 | David3 | salah: ah, then you should ask the good folks in #ubuntu for help. We can't do much for you here |
| 18:55.58 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: i'm not too scared. i am really rusty with Linux since i haven't run it in three and a half years. but i used to be a whiz at taking care of problems back then and i ran sid for a good while. was a looong time ago now, but i ran it and took care of any problem unless it was something only a programmer could fix |
| 18:56.02 | Tassium | (Plus I know nothing about amarok 1.4) |
| 18:56.03 | rower_ | valdyn: well the file is an rpg file.. dono how to extract it |
| 18:56.13 | valdyn | rower_: its what? |
| 18:56.21 | rower_ | valdyn: gonna copy the filename |
| 18:56.24 | kspath | !valdyn++ |
| 18:56.28 | rower_ | fglrx64_4_3_0-8.24.8-1.x86_64.rpm |
| 18:56.32 | kspath | !David3++ |
| 18:56.35 | rower_ | thats what it looks like |
| 18:56.40 | valdyn | rower_: that is NOT an instaler, that's an rpm |
| 18:56.55 | SonnyBurnett | Tassium, I have Debian Etch... |
| 18:57.04 | rower_ | valdyn: yeah i know.. where can i fint the installer then.. |
| 18:57.07 | valdyn | rower_: you should write to ATI that their webpage sucks |
| 18:57.14 | rower_ | valdyn: hahahhahahahahahha |
| 18:57.18 | kspath | !valdyn++ |
| 18:57.27 | rower_ | valdyn: your on x right? plz give me a link to the installer or something |
| 18:57.38 | valdyn | rower_: ATI Driver Installer Download 34.6 04/12/06 Version: 8.24.8 |
| 18:57.47 | rower_ | nice.. but where :D |
| 18:57.54 | valdyn | rower_: that's a quote from their webpage, i'd click on 'Download' |
| 18:57.58 | zamaliphe | i need some help here pleases |
| 18:58.15 | rower_ | valdyn: im in lynx.. so i dont see it that graphicly.. |
| 18:58.19 | David3 | zamaliphe: just ask your question |
| 18:58.22 | Ronin | zamaliphe: have to tell us the problem first |
| 18:58.54 | valdyn | rower_: https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/linux/ati-driver-installer-8.24.8-x86.run |
| 18:58.56 | jplibre | anyone here use the usbhotplug system to automatically run a script when removing a usb device (drive)? I can use the drive to do authentication using pam_usb but can't get it to execute the start or stop script when removing or inserting the decive |
| 18:58.57 | rower_ | thanxz |
| 18:58.57 | jplibre | device |
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| 18:59.09 | zamaliphe | i have to open ssh but i need to log all commands that users do ? |
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| 18:59.42 | djw | zamaliphe: BSD Process Accounting? |
| 18:59.49 | rower_ | valdyn: thank you so very very much =) |
| 19:00.11 | rower_ | valdyn: should i run the things that stood on the webpage now.. or just do the easy thing and ask you instead? |
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| 19:00.20 | zamaliphe | $OpenBSD: sshd_config |
| 19:00.28 | jair | stew: |
| 19:00.35 | jair | stew: final test |
| 19:00.45 | zamaliphe | djw: yes |
| 19:00.51 | kspath | zamaliphe: That is not a debian question. apt-cache search accounting ; man sshd_config |
| 19:00.52 | jair | stew: can you check that one and then exit refresh and test it |
| 19:01.00 | valdyn | rower_: just run that installer |
| 19:01.02 | jair | stew: test all the three ports |
| 19:01.18 | kolibrie | jelly-ho: http://channels.debian.net/paste/2572 |
| 19:01.31 | stew | jair: all three look the same now |
| 19:01.40 | jair | stew: stew you are the master :) |
| 19:01.41 | zamaliphe | so is there plase to ask this |
| 19:01.47 | rower_ | valdyn: then how do i write that? sh ? |
| 19:01.54 | kolibrie | jelly-ho: how do I unload i810 module from kernel |
| 19:02.18 | kspath | zamaliphe: You already did and you were given some information. Wait a few minutes and see if more information is forthcoming. |
| 19:02.29 | stew | kolibrie: modprobe -r i810 |
| 19:02.32 | djw | how can apt-get install acct not be a Debian solution to a generic problem |
| 19:02.33 | kspath | zamaliphe: apt-cache search keyword(s) |
| 19:02.36 | veleno | hello everyone. i already asked this yesterday, thought it was solved but it wasn't. the mouse-wheel of my logitech mx518 (usb) behaves strangely: when i scroll down, it scrolls up instead; when I scroll up, nothing happen. here there are the relavant parts of my xorg.conf and the log in var/log/xorg.0.log http://veleno.pastebin.com/725094 |
| 19:02.53 | kolibrie | stew: thanks |
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| 19:03.35 | kspath | djw: It is a generic administration question with an assumption made to give a debian specific attempt to answer it. |
| 19:03.40 | David3 | kspath: I'm curious, man, what *is* a debian question? |
| 19:03.47 | David3 | :-) |
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| 19:04.16 | rower_ | valdyn: you died? |
| 19:04.18 | kspath | David3: Something that is specific to debian itself. I am not telling anyone else not to answer. I am only giving my opinion based on the question asked. |
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| 19:04.31 | djw | kspath: I didn't think your answer was particularly helpful to a new user |
| 19:04.53 | kspath | djw: Ok. Thank you. |
| 19:04.58 | David3 | kspath: so this is the sysvinit and apt (but not ubuntu) forum? |
| 19:05.06 | Tassium | djw: He's a volunteer. If you don't think his answer was "good enough" feel free to speak up and give more information. |
| 19:05.10 | rower_ | valdyn: seemed like the only think i had to do was run sh filename |
| 19:05.10 | kspath | David3: no. |
| 19:05.29 | David3 | kspath: not to give you a hard time, I'm just teasing |
| 19:05.30 | kspath | David3: Something that is specific to debian itself. |
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| 19:06.17 | stew | zamaliphe: if you want to see all the commands that users execute on your macihne? |
| 19:06.23 | djw | Tassium: I'm of the opinion that one who's sat on a open source support channel shouldn't be contracending that's all |
| 19:06.24 | kspath | David3: So debian packages, dpkg used in/with debian, sarge, etch, sid, official installation ISOs, ... |
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| 19:06.44 | zamaliphe | stew: yes |
| 19:06.46 | rower_ | valdyn: it says: You are running a x86 machine with glibc-2.1 |
| 19:06.51 | rower_ | then it wont start :( |
| 19:07.01 | rower_ | well it did.. |
| 19:07.03 | rower_ | hmm crap |
| 19:07.06 | loquitus_of_borg | Can somebody explain to me what a ".la" file is, in the context of libraries? I know what a ".a" and ".so" file is. |
| 19:07.11 | stew | zamaliphe: "apt-get isntall snoopy" and all the commands are logged to /var/log/auth.log |
| 19:07.45 | Tassium | loquitus_of_borg: I don't know myself, but what does 'file somelib.la' have to say about it? |
| 19:07.53 | cahoot | djw: this kind of discussion is perennial here - never seen anything change from it |
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| 19:08.27 | valdyn | loquitus_of_borg: more file.la |
| 19:08.29 | kspath | zamaliphe: consider looking at things returned by running apt-cache search accounting There are some things there that might serve you now or in future. |
| 19:08.36 | valdyn | loquitus_of_borg: run 'more file.la' |
| 19:08.44 | jair | stew: thank you again that was very honest and good from you :) |
| 19:08.50 | rower_ | valdyn: check this: |
| 19:08.52 | rower_ | [Message] Kernel Module : Trying to install a precompiled kernel module. |
| 19:08.52 | rower_ | [Message] Kernel Module : Precompiled kernel module version mismatched. |
| 19:08.54 | rower_ | [Error] Kernel Module : No kernel module build environment - please consult rea |
| 19:09.00 | stew | loquitus_of_borg: a .la file is used at compile time when you are linkin against a .a / .so file |
| 19:09.18 | stew | jair: you're welcome |
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| 19:10.30 | valdyn | rower_: you need 'apt-get install kernel-headers-$(uname -r) build-essential' |
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| 19:10.52 | valdyn | rower_: and probably rtfm for information about your kernel being supported by ATI |
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| 19:10.55 | PDani | hi |
| 19:10.58 | kspath | zamaliphe: just in case, you might have to pipe output to less or more or whatever you prefer. |
| 19:11.25 | valdyn | rower_: and read tarzau's webpage.. |
| 19:11.32 | valdyn | rower_: and read tarzeau's ati webpage.. |
| 19:12.02 | kspath | loquitus_of_borg: If you fear a file content you can use the commands file and/or strings to learn some information about them. The command stat can be useful sometimes as well. |
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| 19:12.51 | Tenshi | does anyone happen to know of a utility that helps you check for html syntax errors? |
| 19:12.54 | kspath | loquitus_of_borg: man file ; man strings (after you install it); man stat |
| 19:12.56 | PDani | what's the point in nvidia-kernel-2.6.16-1-686 and linux-image-2.6.15-1-686 are in testing? what's the solution? |
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| 19:13.03 | blondie | Tenshi: yes, w3.org |
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| 19:13.36 | Tenshi | blondie: they have a web interface for it? |
| 19:13.42 | kristalino | how can i setup phpmyadmin on debian ? |
| 19:13.53 | avtobiff | kristalino, aptitude install phpmyadmin |
| 19:14.09 | kristalino | avtobiff, yeap, done, but i can't log in. |
| 19:14.18 | blondie | Tenshi: yes |
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| 19:14.49 | blahhhhhhhhhhhhh | bit of a question for all, I am using apache2 and suexec2. When using AddHandler cgi-script .php I can't run the scripts unless I have #!/location/to/php4/binary however if I create Action php-script /location/to/php4/binary and use AddHandler php-script .php It does not run under suexec. little frustrated, does anyone have any ideas? |
| 19:14.53 | avtobiff | kristalino, what do you have for mysql-passwords and users then? do they work with mysqlclient? |
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| 19:15.21 | Tenshi | blondie: it's a very large site, can you point me in the right direction? |
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| 19:16.18 | kristalino | avtobiff, i have installed mysql-server. So yes i suppose... |
| 19:16.39 | avtobiff | kristalino, then you should be able to login as root with an empty password i think |
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| 19:17.27 | jmartens | Is there a channel for questions about the etch debian-installer? |
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| 19:17.34 | kristalino | avtobiff, it doesn't work |
| 19:17.39 | kspath | !stew++ |
| 19:17.40 | avtobiff | jmartens, ask them here? |
| 19:17.50 | blondie | Tenshi: look at the menu on the left |
| 19:17.54 | blondie | html validator |
| 19:17.55 | avtobiff | kristalino, have you set a mysql-root password? |
| 19:17.57 | jmartens | What is the kernel module for LVM called? |
| 19:18.04 | jmartens | With a 2.6 kernel |
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| 19:18.10 | blahhhhhhhhhhhhh | anyone? |
| 19:18.47 | rower_ | valdyn: i runned the installer as you told me.. but it wont work anyway.. |
| 19:18.56 | rower_ | valdyn: does i have to reboot the comp? |
| 19:19.01 | rower_ | i will try it anyway |
| 19:19.05 | zu22 | hi, my unstable machine hadn't been updated in over a year so i ran 'apt-get upgrade', the packages installed it seems except libc6, it tells me i must be running kernel version 2.4 or higher (i have 2.2.20) and says "error processing", i tried installing kernel-image-2.4 package but it won't let me install anything since it has this unfinished libc6 install , help~ |
| 19:19.17 | blondie | 2.2 lol |
| 19:19.35 | bnovc | anyone have a tutorial on what i need to enable/modify/install to get `mail` to actually send instead of rejecting? |
| 19:19.46 | kristalino | avtobiff, uh, that's too bad, i know enter phpmyadmin without login at all. And *yes* mysql does work ! |
| 19:19.47 | blondie | exim? |
| 19:19.55 | bnovc | i have exim4 installed |
| 19:19.59 | kristalino | s/know/now |
| 19:20.07 | bnovc | i tried following a tutorial to get it working but no mail sends still |
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| 19:20.42 | Tassium | bnovc: Anything interesting in the logs? |
| 19:21.09 | Tenshi | blondie: found it ... also links to tidy. Thanks |
| 19:21.09 | avtobiff | kristalino, dont you have to supply a user name to login with phpmyadmin? |
| 19:21.10 | bnovc | Tassium, let me take a look and find which log and then ill let you know |
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| 19:21.27 | rower | valdyn: still doesent work.. |
| 19:21.33 | avtobiff | btw... i have deleted my debian-sys-maint user from mysql.user. that was not so very smart is there a way to reset this? |
| 19:21.52 | blahhhhhhhhhhhhh | yenno: please don't private message me links without requesting it first |
| 19:21.55 | bnovc | /var/log/mail.err is empty, as is /var/log/mail.log |
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| 19:22.14 | bnovc | on a side note, is it something like 'tset -e backspace' to get backspace to work in screen? |
| 19:22.20 | zu22 | please help someone |
| 19:22.27 | zu22 | here is exact error message |
| 19:22.34 | zu22 | dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libc6_2.3.6-7_i386.deb (--unpack): subprocess pre-installation script returned error exit status 1. |
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| 19:23.01 | zu22 | it will not let me install any other packages while this libc6 install error remains |
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| 19:23.26 | AMB | i've got an apt question. i've got a .deb file on my local FS and it depends from packages on a remote apt source. how do i make dpkg install this package with the "remote" dependencies? |
| 19:23.27 | mngrif | is there any way i can see a log of all the init msgs? |
| 19:23.42 | zu22 | hello? |
| 19:24.01 | abrotman | amb: apt-get -f install |
| 19:24.02 | Ronin | patience zu22 |
| 19:24.03 | lazzarello | how can I let normal users mount nfs exports in their own home directory? |
| 19:24.07 | zu22 | blondie: dont "lol" if u won't at least help me :( |
| 19:24.26 | abrotman | zu22: checked the bts? |
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| 19:24.33 | Ronin | so much for patience i guess |
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| 19:24.44 | blahhhhhhhhhhhhh | does anyone have any idea about my question? |
| 19:24.49 | bnovc | Tassium, was that the log file you were suggesting i check? |
| 19:24.49 | mngrif | abrotman: ! |
| 19:24.52 | stew | zu22: what version of libc6 do you have installed now? |
| 19:24.53 | abrotman | mngrif: ? |
| 19:24.58 | mngrif | abrotman: long time |
| 19:24.59 | zu22 | abrotman: the bts? i don't know what that is. how can i tell apt to not install libc6? it won't let me install ANYTHING now |
| 19:25.03 | abrotman | mngrif: eh? |
| 19:25.10 | abrotman | !tell zu22 about bts |
| 19:25.10 | Tassium | bnovc: I guess so, yeah. |
| 19:25.20 | zu22 | stew: libc5 and libc6 and libc6-dev is broken it says |
| 19:25.26 | rower | valdyn: does i have to unmount the original drivers from x? |
| 19:25.33 | Tassium | zu22: It's not so much apt you need to figure out as much as it is dpkg at this point |
| 19:26.03 | zu22 | Tassium: ok so how can i tell dpkg to stop trying to upgrade libc6? |
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| 19:26.19 | abrotman | mngrif: do i konw you? |
| 19:26.24 | onetinsoldier | Tassium: thanks man! it's all working good. i'm watching james bond moonraker on vlc from unstable. :) apt showed there were 209 packages not upgraded so i commented the line for unstable out of my sources.list and did apt-get update... all back to normal after that. |
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| 19:26.39 | kspath | !Tassium++ |
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| 19:26.46 | stew | zu22: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 19:26.48 | mngrif | abrotman: i used to hang here constantly... now i'm back with debian on my router :\ |
| 19:26.52 | rower | tarzeau: what was the page again ? |
| 19:27.00 | zu22 | libc5 has status "pi", libc6 is "ii" and libc6-dev is "pU |
| 19:27.02 | zu22 | " |
| 19:27.09 | abrotman | mngrif: was that always your nic? |
| 19:27.11 | abrotman | nick ? |
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| 19:27.25 | mngrif | abrotman: i had a short run under 'dnyde' |
| 19:27.31 | abrotman | eh .. ok :) |
| 19:27.36 | zu22 | stew: "ii" |
| 19:27.37 | mngrif | but i felt it was unprofessional :P |
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| 19:27.41 | tarzeau | rower: www.linuks.mine.nu/ati/ |
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| 19:27.49 | stew | zu22: what version |
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| 19:27.50 | rower | tarzeau: thanx.. did it work after that.. |
| 19:27.59 | tarzeau | rower: yes |
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| 19:28.20 | zu22 | stew: 2.3.2.ds1-20 |
| 19:28.23 | Niklas_E | if I want to do a command at boot time how do I add that? |
| 19:28.35 | tarzeau | Niklas_E: either as cronjob using @reboot |
| 19:28.37 | stew | zu22: you should upgrade to stable before you upgrade to unstable |
| 19:28.39 | TrendKi|| | hey guys, in what repository can i find ndiswrapper? im using etch, ive enabled main contrib and non-free |
| 19:28.41 | tarzeau | Niklas_E: or in a S99autoexec.bat |
| 19:28.53 | tarzeau | Niklas_E: i prefer to run them using screen -dmS name command |
| 19:29.01 | kspath | !stew++ |
| 19:29.50 | zu22 | stew: huh? i've never run stable |
| 19:29.54 | rey_ | can anybody explain me how /etc/default/locale is supposed to work? |
| 19:29.55 | Niklas_E | ah, the S99 works fine |
| 19:30.02 | zu22 | stew: this was unstable system, it just hadn't been updated in over a year |
| 19:30.11 | stew | zu22: your pacakges are older than stable, upgrading from pre-stable to testing is not supported |
| 19:30.13 | jmartens | Niklas_E: Try /etc/init.d/bootmisc.sh |
| 19:30.25 | rey_ | it doesn't get read at login, and something keeps removing my settings from /etc/environment |
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| 19:30.31 | zu22 | stew: ok so what exactly can i do now (ie commands) to proceed? |
| 19:30.41 | stew | zu22: /msg dpkg e2fsprogs loop |
| 19:30.43 | hddcdfd0 | if i save /home/user* to create a backup, when ill restore it, ill find working settings etc? |
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| 19:31.04 | PDani | hi |
| 19:31.17 | zu22 | stew: ok so if i do that everything should work fine? |
| 19:31.28 | PDani | When i try to install a package, i always get this warning: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!" |
| 19:31.33 | Niklas_E | tnx |
| 19:31.53 | PDani | i installed originally a base sarge, and after the first boot, i upgraded to etch |
| 19:31.54 | hddcdfd0 | if i save /home/user* to create a backup, when ill restore it, ill find working settings? |
| 19:32.01 | stew | zu22: you have a better chance of getting things working if you follow the supported procedure |
| 19:32.04 | PDani | what should i do to avoid this warning? |
| 19:32.27 | zu22 | stew: ok i will do what 'e2fsprogs loop' said |
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| 19:32.58 | zu22 | stew: i will go to stable then testing then unstable so i need 3 times "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" right? |
| 19:33.01 | bkudria | i've looked, but i couldn't find a netinst torrent for i386 sarge...does this even exist? |
| 19:33.05 | abrotman | PDani: /topic |
| 19:33.12 | Linuturk | (3:26:03 PM) Linuturk: ok, i'm trying to install debian sarge on a old world g3 all in one mac |
| 19:33.12 | Linuturk | (3:26:14 PM) Linuturk: I've installed the bootx thing |
| 19:33.12 | Linuturk | (3:26:32 PM) Linuturk: specified the vmlinux in the powerpc folder |
| 19:33.12 | Linuturk | (3:26:51 PM) Linuturk: when the debian installer pops up |
| 19:33.12 | Linuturk | (3:27:01 PM) Linuturk: it can't detect my cd drive |
| 19:33.12 | Linuturk | (3:27:17 PM) Linuturk: am I using the wrong kernel image for the bootx? |
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| 19:33.34 | blondie | fail |
| 19:33.37 | stew | zu22: you don't have to upgrade to testing before unstable, its just that skipping stable is not supported |
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| 19:33.55 | rower | tarzeau: how to load the module before starting x? |
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| 19:34.03 | tarzeau | rower: modprobe fglrx ? |
| 19:34.14 | mngrif | stew: what's below stable? |
| 19:34.15 | zu22 | stew: i see, ok it will take me 2 days on dialup to upgrade to stable first so i better get busy hehe |
| 19:34.20 | abrotman | mngrif: oldstable ? |
| 19:34.28 | mngrif | abrotman: good call. |
| 19:34.28 | SonnyBurnett | How do I remove a pkg, even the conf files? |
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| 19:35.57 | zu22 | stew: i hope it will let me upgrade to stable and not keep giving that "libc6" error |
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| 19:35.57 | kspath | mngrif: old stable old testing old unstable |
| 19:35.57 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: man dpkg |
| 19:35.57 | abrotman | SonnyBurnett: man apt-get |
| 19:35.58 | abrotman | !tell SonnyBurnett about grounding |
| 19:35.58 | abrotman | !tell SonnyBurnett about refcard |
| 19:35.58 | rower | tarzeau: well it loaded.. and i still cant run x.. |
| 19:35.58 | rower | tarzeau: tells me all the time that: Fatal server error: |
| 19:35.58 | rower | no screens found |
| 19:35.58 | tarzeau | rower: works perfect for me |
| 19:36.04 | rower | tarzeau: well.. did you reboot before you started x?å |
| 19:36.16 | PDani | abrotman: i did run that command, but apt-get still shows the warning |
| 19:36.16 | zu22 | stew: should i explicitly tell dpkg to STOP trying to get libc6 before i proceed with upgrade to stable? or will it take care of that? |
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| 19:36.25 | bkudria | i've looked, but i couldn't find a netinst torrent for i386 sarge...does this even exist? |
| 19:36.28 | tarzeau | rower: i don't remember it's a few weeks ago |
| 19:36.44 | rower | trying to reboot for the 3d time =) |
| 19:36.48 | kspath | bkudria: torrent? 386? |
| 19:36.50 | jmartens | bkudria: I don't think there is a torrent for the netinstall. Its only 150MB or so. |
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| 19:37.55 | zu22 | stew left i guess |
| 19:37.56 | kspath | bkudria: Did you look at netinstalls at www.debian.org site? |
| 19:37.57 | abrotman | PDani: /msg dpkg 2006 key |
| 19:38.00 | mngrif | ok, what's that program that will turn a string of text into ascii art? i'm not talking about /usr/games/banner |
| 19:38.03 | abrotman | PDani: what packages do you get a warning on?> |
| 19:38.19 | jmartens | mngrif: cowsay? |
| 19:38.30 | mngrif | jmartens: close, but this just outputs text only |
| 19:38.35 | PDani | abrotman: as i see, on everything |
| 19:38.37 | mngrif | not any cute-ness |
| 19:38.59 | PDani | abrotman: frankly, i get see this whole gpg-thing related to apt... |
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| 19:39.04 | abrotman | PDani: run apt-get update first |
| 19:39.09 | PDani | s/get see/don't get/ |
| 19:39.11 | rower | well it didnt work |
| 19:39.15 | kspath | mngrif: Please make sure not to use "ascii-arts/banners" or the like in #debian |
| 19:39.23 | kristalino | avtobiff, yeap, done. |
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| 19:39.27 | hyksos | hi |
| 19:39.30 | mngrif | kspath: i'm not an idiot. sheesh |
| 19:39.36 | PDani | abrotman: oh, now it works, thx |
| 19:39.38 | avtobiff | kristalino, what was "wrong"? |
| 19:39.45 | stew | zu22: i believe that the problem will go away on its own |
| 19:39.46 | mngrif | it's for /etc/issue and maybe /etc/motd |
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| 19:39.56 | rower | okay.. now please help me! |
| 19:39.57 | kristalino | avtobiff, #2013 - Lost connection to MySQL server during query |
| 19:40.01 | zu22 | ok thnks stew |
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| 19:40.10 | avtobiff | kristalino, ok. great :-D |
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| 19:40.31 | kristalino | avtobiff, or this : #1045 - Access denied for user: 'root@localhost' (Using password: YES) |
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| 19:40.55 | sewi | hello, what tool to use before using CDBS when I want to create a deb package? |
| 19:41.03 | sewi | dh_make? |
| 19:41.03 | PDani | bye |
| 19:41.03 | hyksos | rower :what? |
| 19:41.06 | avtobiff | kristalino, or sorry... have you solved it? |
| 19:41.20 | rower | hyksos: well i got this problem with my ati graphic card.. |
| 19:41.22 | stew | hrm, i can't get sox to create a silent .wav file. i was thinking "dd if=/dev/zero bs=44100 count=4 | sox -w -r 44100 -u -c 2 - blank.wav" would create 1 second of silence but it seems to make sox segfault |
| 19:41.25 | avtobiff | kristalino, btw... 'root@localhost' is not the same user as 'root'@'localhost' |
| 19:41.34 | hyksos | rower :ati is shit ,buy another one |
| 19:41.44 | rower | hyksos: when i installed x i picked the ati choice.. |
| 19:41.54 | hyksos | and |
| 19:41.54 | rower | hyksos: debian seems to be shit to.. |
| 19:42.06 | hyksos | rower :could be, use windows instead |
| 19:42.09 | rower | maby debian and ati has something incomon then =) |
| 19:42.15 | kspath | stew: text/hex editor to manually create a "silent" .wav? |
| 19:42.15 | moshii | rower: I hope you checked that your card is supported and everything first |
| 19:42.25 | rower | moshii: well it is.. |
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| 19:42.32 | hyksos | rower :your right, use windows and ati, and your in the future |
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| 19:43.00 | moshii | rower: well if it is get on and state your problem, in detail without subjective crap |
| 19:43.10 | rower | sure |
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| 19:43.35 | hyksos | rower :try it, we dont sue you |
| 19:43.49 | stew | hyksos: i don't know how to create the riff header in a hex editor |
| 19:43.52 | stew | kspath: ^^ |
| 19:43.55 | rower | moshii: x doesent recognize my graphic card.. already installed the drivers.. still doesent work |
| 19:43.57 | ogzy | i have a problem with my xine-ui |
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| 19:43.59 | Klavier | is there any ibm thinkpad user here? |
| 19:44.07 | ogzy | it closes itself during vcd playing |
| 19:44.12 | hyksos | stew :sorry , never heard of a riff header |
| 19:44.12 | ogzy | anybody knows the reason? |
| 19:44.17 | ogzy | i am using unstable |
| 19:44.19 | kspath | stew: I wish I was not so ignorant of .wav format. |
| 19:44.23 | moshii | rower: what does the log from X say? |
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| 19:44.25 | stew | kspath: but what is wierd is that dd ... of=blank.raw && sox -u blank.raw blank.wav works, it just doesn't like "-" |
| 19:44.37 | rower | wait |
| 19:45.08 | rower | (II) ATI: Candidate "Device" section "Generic Video Card". |
| 19:45.08 | rower | (WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 2:0:0 could not be detected! |
| 19:45.08 | rower | (WW) ATI: PCI Mach64 in slot 2:0:1 could not be detected! |
| 19:45.08 | rower | (EE) No devices detected. |
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| 19:45.09 | moshii | rower: tail /var/log/Xorg.0.log |
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| 19:45.21 | rower | sorry :/ |
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| 19:45.42 | no0ke | !pastebin |
| 19:45.42 | dpkg | from memory, pastebin is a place to paste all your conf/debugs/logs for other people in the channel to view without flooding the channel. We suggest http://pastebin.ca, or http://channels.debian.net/paste/ |
| 19:45.49 | moshii | rower: look for stuff like "no screens found" "could not init core device" |
| 19:46.23 | rower | moshii: well okay |
| 19:46.27 | rower | Fatal server error: |
| 19:46.27 | rower | no screens found |
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| 19:47.33 | moshii | rower: ok you have a problem with either your graphics card or monitor then ... you should be able to find out exactly what it is from looking in the log file... but for now reconfigure X and try using the vesa driver |
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| 19:48.08 | rower | moshii: how to reconf the x? |
| 19:48.17 | hyksos | rower :is ati available in /proc/ioports ? |
| 19:48.27 | DaBlade | rower: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xor |
| 19:48.28 | rower | proc? |
| 19:48.29 | DaBlade | rower: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg* |
| 19:48.39 | moshii | rower: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg or xserver-xfree86 |
| 19:49.02 | phaedrus_ | im gonna go do a re-install |
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| 19:49.12 | phaedrus_ | peace |
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| 19:51.09 | hddcdfd0 | if i save /home/user* to create a backup, when i willll restore it, ill find working settings? |
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| 19:51.35 | AMB | is there a simple way to throttle the upload speed of an ethernet device? |
| 19:52.39 | hddcdfd0 | AMB, wondershaper |
| 19:52.45 | hjubal | hi |
| 19:52.55 | cahoot | hddcdfd0: you mean correct perms? or what+ |
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| 19:53.57 | AMB | hddcdfd0, thx |
| 19:54.04 | hddcdfd0 | cahoot,,, i mean all, perms, settings, folders and more |
| 19:54.29 | hddcdfd0 | AMB, its fantastic and easy to use |
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| 19:54.44 | blondie | !root |
| 19:54.44 | dpkg | It has been said that root is the administrative account - only use it when root power is needed. So no reading mail, compiling programs, or running applications as root. And don't even think about irc'ing as root, it increases the danger from exploits and trojans (such as bliss), or see, for example, the security advisory on BitchX http://www.debian.org/security/2003/dsa-306 |
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| 19:55.10 | ParaDiddle | I need to install libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 19:55.12 | AMB | hddcdfd0, we'll see if i manage to use it :) |
| 19:55.16 | ParaDiddle | where can i get that? |
| 19:55.23 | Zaggynl | yay, I've got a swat web interface staring at me |
| 19:55.46 | Zaggynl | too bad I can't configure a thing and the only thing I see is an index of the samba documentation.. |
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| 19:56.41 | rower_ | okay this is better |
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| 19:56.51 | Diguinho | Hello.. Where can I read about new apt fetching only diff instead of full packages.gz? |
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| 19:56.53 | rower_ | ive started X but it loooks like Shit! |
| 19:57.05 | hyksos | rower: you use vesa? |
| 19:57.18 | moshii | rower_: seems your ATI driver doesn't work then... you need to google it up |
| 19:57.20 | rower_ | yeah |
| 19:57.28 | rower_ | holy fucking crap.. |
| 19:57.50 | rower_ | lets try gentoo instead.. seems more compatible with everything than this shit |
| 19:58.02 | blondie | rower_: lololololololol |
| 19:58.06 | moshii | rower_: um I don't see how that'll help |
| 19:58.08 | rower_ | but the thing is.. it starts X |
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| 19:58.28 | blondie | rower_: compatibility is based on kernel not distro |
| 19:58.31 | rower_ | but the x where the pointer is like X and .. yeah.. |
| 19:58.33 | thingfish | Diguinho: there is a little blurb about it in Debian Weekly News. |
| 19:58.37 | blondie | gentoo sux0r! |
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| 19:58.56 | rower_ | blondie: so you tell me that i will have the exact same problem with the gentoo install? |
| 19:58.57 | ParaDiddle | Can anyone help me install some files? I need libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 19:59.39 | moshii | rower_: if you don't want to work out why stuff doesn't work don't run UNIX |
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| 20:00.12 | blondie | rower_: PERHAPS |
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| 20:00.28 | rower_ | moshii: yeah really really fucking simple to say that thing when you already run x and use like mozilla firefox to google shit up.. well HEY, im in x that looks like crap and use lynx to fucking google things.. |
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| 20:01.13 | moshii | rower_: hmm ok that attitude is going to get you a long way |
| 20:01.23 | blondie | rower_: go back to windows dear |
| 20:01.23 | stew | rower_: chill out. what exactly is the problem, you need to describe it better |
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| 20:01.30 | doubletwist | Is there ANYONE here who is familiar with backuppc? I can't get it to Exclude anything [using smb] |
| 20:01.31 | rower_ | yeah i know =) im starting to get tierd of all the problems .. |
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| 20:01.51 | moshii | stew: his ATI drivers don't work and he isn't looking in the logs to find out way |
| 20:02.00 | moshii | stew: s/way/why/ |
| 20:02.01 | rower_ | stew: well i can print out the error log and send it to you via posts =) |
| 20:02.03 | stew | moshii: what exactly does "don't work" mean? |
| 20:02.11 | Phat32 | I just installed Debian for the first time and I noticed I couldn't go above 800x600. I looked into it and realised I needed the nvidia driver. I really need some help installing it. All the online resources I come across are either not for debian or they talk about doing it "the debian way" which has already failed for me. Can anyone help me? |
| 20:02.12 | rower_ | moshii: well i am :D |
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| 20:02.21 | stew | rower_: put it in a pastebin |
| 20:02.22 | PDani | hi |
| 20:02.36 | rower_ | Phat32 : lucky bastard.. i cant even get in to x.. |
| 20:02.39 | stew | Phat32: did you try the "nv" driver first? |
| 20:02.40 | moshii | Phat32: how have you tried? |
| 20:02.50 | Phat32 | stew: yes I used nv |
| 20:02.55 | doubletwist | Man I must be the only person alive using backuppc. :) |
| 20:02.58 | abrotman | !tell Phat32 about nvidia one-liner |
| 20:03.07 | PDani | i can't find in testing the nvidia-kernel-source package. what sources.list lines should i use for this package? |
| 20:03.13 | rower_ | so where is the logs.. |
| 20:03.13 | Phat32 | moshii: I have tried so muc crap and I always screw it up |
| 20:03.17 | moshii | rower_: It's not our fault ATI is crappy on drivers ;) |
| 20:03.26 | stew | rower_: are you using xfree or xorg? |
| 20:03.31 | rower_ | xfree |
| 20:03.33 | stew | rower_: are you using the free drivers or the non-free drivers? |
| 20:03.34 | moshii | Phat32: ok run module-assistant |
| 20:03.40 | stew | rower_: and what chipset do you have? |
| 20:03.44 | rower_ | x700.. |
| 20:03.44 | Phat32 | I am in runlevel 1 |
| 20:03.52 | ParaDiddle | hey guys... can you spare a minute to help a total noob? |
| 20:03.58 | Phat32 | because x starts in runlevel 2 |
| 20:04.05 | stew | rower_: oh you need the non-free drivers for that, sorry i'm not going to be able to help |
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| 20:04.07 | moshii | Phat32: mm I think you should be able to do it there |
| 20:04.08 | Phat32 | yet the guides say to be in runlevel 3 |
| 20:04.20 | rower_ | stew: crap.. =P so who can.. |
| 20:04.30 | moshii | Phat32: Debian only has 2 runlevels I think .. all or nothing |
| 20:04.40 | Phat32 | moshii: is module-assistant a command? |
| 20:04.47 | moshii | Phat32: yup |
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| 20:04.55 | stew | moshii: debian has 7 runlevels just like other sysv systems, its just that by default 2-5 all do the same thing |
| 20:04.55 | rower_ | moshii: feel free to help me.. =P |
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| 20:05.14 | Phat32 | moshii: module-assistant = command not found |
| 20:05.22 | ParaDiddle | Can anyone take a minute to help me please? |
| 20:05.25 | mngrif | is it safe to modify /etc/apt/sources.list whilest aptitude is downloading files? |
| 20:05.27 | moshii | Phat32: apt-get install module-assistant |
| 20:05.45 | mngrif | and more than that, will aptitude be cool enough to recognize and implement the change? |
| 20:05.47 | cahoot | ParaDiddle: just put you question |
| 20:05.51 | stew | Phat32: if you ahve a real question, just ask it |
| 20:05.52 | moshii | stew: True, I think it says in the inittab about not using them as such though |
| 20:05.56 | ParaDiddle | I need this libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
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| 20:06.10 | rower_ | so can anyone help me install the non-free drivers for my x700 graphical card? |
| 20:06.18 | Phat32 | moshii: ok it's running |
| 20:06.20 | stew | moshii: the default debian inittab defines 7 runlevels |
| 20:06.20 | chealer | Phat32: what happens when you try going over 800x600 using nv? |
| 20:06.33 | moshii | Phat32: ok select prepare |
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| 20:06.51 | Phat32 | chealer: I can't set it above 800x600 using the gui resolution changer |
| 20:07.03 | moshii | chealer: unless phat32 wants to be 100% free software they might as well forget the nv drivers |
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| 20:07.27 | moshii | Phat32: oh, if it's just that maybe you just need to select some more screen modes |
| 20:07.27 | chealer | moshii: why? nv is much more stable than nvidia. |
| 20:07.51 | moshii | chealer: but also slower than a dead rat stuck to the floor and covered in poo |
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| 20:07.57 | chealer | Phat32: did you try reconfiguring X (possibly using the following...)? |
| 20:08.00 | Phat32 | moshii: done with prepare |
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| 20:08.02 | chealer | !drxx Phat32 |
| 20:08.02 | dpkg | Phat32: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:08.06 | PDani | any idea? |
| 20:08.10 | Phat32 | should I try running the driver installer again? |
| 20:08.26 | cahoot | ParaDiddle: go to packages.debian.org and do a search there (looks like you want libglib2.0-0) |
| 20:08.26 | chealer | moshii: only for 3D rendering, AFAIK |
| 20:08.26 | moshii | Phat32: don't use nvidia's installer |
| 20:08.39 | moshii | chealer: try mame or something |
| 20:08.40 | MatBoy | Are there Trick for the CPU-load with Xinirama in Xorg ? |
| 20:08.44 | Phat32 | moshii: how should I do it then... |
| 20:08.45 | MatBoy | * Xinerama |
| 20:08.53 | stew | PDani: /msg dpkg why is nvidia-kernel-source not in testing |
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| 20:09.00 | moshii | Phat32: go to select in module assistant now |
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| 20:09.12 | Phat32 | done |
| 20:09.14 | moshii | Phat32: find nvidia and tag it with space |
| 20:09.28 | stew | MatBoy: what exactly do you mean by "CPU-load with Xinerama"? |
| 20:09.30 | honschu | Hi, why depens fvwm on libgtk1.2 ? |
| 20:09.32 | moshii | Phat32: nvidia-kernel i mean |
| 20:09.33 | Phat32 | moshii |
| 20:09.38 | doubletwist | Can anyone even see what I'm typing? :^) |
| 20:09.43 | Phat32 | moshii: I see nvidia-kernel |
| 20:09.48 | MatBoy | stew, My 3 Monitor-setup uses a lot of CPU. at least 35% |
| 20:09.53 | ParaDiddle | libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 20:09.54 | rower_ | so can anyone help me |
| 20:09.54 | thingfish | doubletwist: yes, we can. |
| 20:09.58 | moshii | Phat32: that's the one you need ^^ |
| 20:09.59 | ParaDiddle | How can I install this file? libgthread-2.0.so.0 |
| 20:10.01 | doubletwist | Ok good, just checking... |
| 20:10.02 | rower_ | so can anyone help me install the non-free drivers for my x700 graphical card? |
| 20:10.02 | stew | MatBoy: what makes you think it has anything to do with xinerama? |
| 20:10.06 | Phat32 | moshii: ok now what |
| 20:10.10 | Phat32 | build? |
| 20:10.13 | mngrif | stew: multiple heads take a lot of power out of X itself... |
| 20:10.14 | moshii | Phat32: yeah |
| 20:10.19 | PDani | thx |
| 20:10.22 | Phat32 | or install |
| 20:10.26 | stew | mngrif: not that i've noticed |
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| 20:10.37 | MatBoy | stew, I didn;t had it before, and I know that other peoples had it too. Or should it be the nvidia-driver with Xinerama ? |
| 20:10.39 | moshii | Phat32: build |
| 20:10.50 | honschu | Why depends fvwm on libgtk1.2 ? |
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| 20:10.57 | moshii | Phat32: It should ask if you want the source packages installed, say yes |
| 20:11.06 | mngrif | stew: i used to run dual heads on my P2-400, and at times it got unusable compared to having a single head. the X CPU usage could easily overtake anything else. |
| 20:11.16 | kspath | mngrif: my 3 head machine was slower with 3 heads rather than 2 heads and rather than 1 head. |
| 20:11.18 | doubletwist | So nobody here uses backuppc? |
| 20:11.24 | Phat32 | moshii: instalation of the nvidia source failed |
| 20:11.29 | mngrif | kspath: exactly |
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| 20:11.45 | kspath | mngrif: That was very dependent on what was happening/running however. |
| 20:11.54 | MatBoy | kspath, exactly |
| 20:11.57 | unfo | hi all, does debian do an ldconfig for me at reboot time? |
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| 20:12.00 | stew | mngrif: MatBoy: i dunno then. i have no problems on a slower machine with 2 heads on an mga card and see no difference when i add a second head on my laptop with an ati card |
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| 20:12.07 | rower_ | how did i reconfigure x? |
| 20:12.10 | kspath | mngrif: 3 versions of screensavers or whatever running at once causing calculations. |
| 20:12.11 | rower_ | whats the command ? |
| 20:12.21 | mngrif | kspath: just in normal usage it was overall slower |
| 20:12.24 | stew | !drxx rower_ |
| 20:12.24 | dpkg | rower_: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 20:12.28 | MatBoy | stew, I also had no problem on a Laptop, workstation has it |
| 20:12.33 | Phat32 | moshii: it failed should I try install instead of build? |
| 20:12.37 | kspath | mngrif: That is relative to your processor(s). |
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| 20:12.44 | bni | I just upgraded unstable and now my TTF fonts llok completely different |
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| 20:12.49 | moshii | Phat32: actually, what a moment, can you give me the output of uname -r |
| 20:12.56 | mngrif | kspath: it's a reasonable assumption that the more heads = more CPU power that X will need |
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| 20:13.03 | kspath | mngrif: My observations were with 1Ghz Athlon with 1GB RAM and 3 Nvidia cards using nv |
| 20:13.08 | MatBoy | mngrif, I think you should have a Dual Xeon for it to use it smooth |
| 20:13.22 | mngrif | MatBoy: i think people should start donating old hardware then :P |
| 20:13.27 | MatBoy | kspath, did you use nvidia as well ? |
| 20:13.30 | rodro_br | How do I configure my USB? I'm having trouble to recognize my USB optic mouse (MS) and I think its something related to the USB |
| 20:13.34 | stew | two heads are no problem for me on a dual p2-233 |
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| 20:13.43 | kspath | MatBoy: I only used nv and I was happy with it. |
| 20:13.49 | MatBoy | mngrif, yep, we are the first to take it in :) |
| 20:13.57 | Phat32 | moshii: 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 20:14.08 | MatBoy | kspath, I will switch to that driver than. Will there be a lot of difference ? |
| 20:14.15 | moshii | Phat32: you're running stable? |
| 20:14.17 | rodro_br | I'm recieve a TIMEOUT msg when connecting it (or when linux is loading) |
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| 20:14.23 | mngrif | stew: this was a voodoo 5 and a geforce 220MX on a P2-400 |
| 20:14.24 | kspath | MatBoy: I do not know. Very relative and very subjective. |
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| 20:14.36 | rower_ | i have 2 graphical cards.. one in the motherboard itself.. and the x700 card.. |
| 20:14.37 | Phat32 | moshii: I'm running the default from the net install cd |
| 20:14.47 | ACU | Help! ----- I have downloaded ETCH Beta 2 CD iso from March14 ---- I am trying to install DEbian from CDs (withouth internet access) ----- I have 3 questions: ---- why I cannot choose what applications I want to install? ----if I choose Desktop - and base system ---- I get installed only Gnome ---- with NO SYNAPTIC and NO KDE - nevermind Openoffice or something else---- |
| 20:14.48 | mngrif | rower_: typicaly that doesn't work |
| 20:15.07 | stew | !tell ACU about ep |
| 20:15.10 | kspath | mngrif: If I had had 4 heads on a 4 proc machine with 1-4GB RAM I might not have noticed any difference most of the time. |
| 20:15.11 | rower_ | now it asks me if i want to specify the BusID |
| 20:15.16 | honschu | Why depends fvwm on libgtk1.2 ? |
| 20:15.24 | Phat32 | moshii: is stable bad? |
| 20:15.25 | mngrif | ACU: ----- perhaps --- you---should---try---running --- aptitude --- sometime --- . |
| 20:15.32 | rodro_br | How do I configure my USB? I'm having trouble to recognize my USB optic mouse (MS) and I think its something related to the USB, I'm recieve a TIMEOUT msg when connecting it (or when linux is loading) |
| 20:15.36 | rower_ | mngrif: so just because i have a graphical card in the motherboard? |
| 20:15.47 | moshii | Phat32: ok cool, if you have a new nvidia card you might get problems ... try apt-get install nvidia-glx nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 20:15.55 | stew | ACU: run aptitude and select kde desktop from the tasks |
| 20:16.05 | stew | ACU: and aptitude install synaptic |
| 20:16.13 | moshii | Phat32: stable isn't bad, just the nvidia packages are older and may not work with a newer card |
| 20:16.14 | bztunk | anyone tried the new udev? |
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| 20:16.23 | bztunk | it doesn't fuck things? |
| 20:16.26 | mngrif | rower_: it's a matter of the fact that the mobo and the AGP/PCIX/whatever slot shares the same bus |
| 20:16.27 | stew | bztunk: it doesn't |
| 20:16.37 | MatBoy | What is the best to not load the nvidia-drivers when installed ? |
| 20:16.37 | bztunk | k nice :D |
| 20:16.55 | stew | bztunk: bztunk i'm using 0.92-1 and 0.91-2 with no problems |
| 20:17.01 | moshii | MatBoy: not select nvidia in your x config |
| 20:17.03 | mngrif | rower_: well, not a matter of fact, but 90% of the time that's how it goes |
| 20:17.11 | Phat32 | moshii: package nvidia-glx is not available but is refered to |
| 20:17.26 | MatBoy | moshii, ok... if that is the pnly thing, I'm right now than :) |
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| 20:17.28 | mngrif | rower_: if you try a normal PCI card, it would probably work |
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| 20:17.47 | ACU | stew: thanks - I tried and it does not ask for CDs (that was also strange - in previous installations I was asked to insert all cds I have ). This did not happened with Etch Beta2 march14 version --- |
| 20:17.49 | stew | Phat32: on tesing? /msg dpkg why is nvidia-glx not in testing |
| 20:17.49 | moshii | Phat32: do you know how to edit your /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 20:17.50 | Phat32 | moshii: Should not use stable? |
| 20:18.08 | rodro_br | How do I configure my USB? I'm having trouble to recognize my USB optic mouse (MS) and I think its something related to the USB, I'm recieve a TIMEOUT msg when connecting it (or when linux is loading) |
| 20:18.11 | Phat32 | moshii: somewhat yes |
| 20:18.28 | moshii | Phat32: add non-free to the end of your source lines |
| 20:18.29 | kspath | mngrif: By the way, all 3 of my nvidia cards on my 3 head sarge box are PCI cards. |
| 20:18.38 | Ironhand | I'm planning to install Sarge to a system intended as a LAN fileserver using NFS & LVM. Performance & reliability matter, security & hardware support don't. What stock Debian kernel is better suited, 2.4.27 or 2.6.8? |
| 20:18.39 | stew | ACU: its setup to install from the net, look at /etc/apt/sources.list there are probably aren't any cdrom lines, if you wish to install from the cd, run apt-cdrom |
| 20:18.41 | Phat32 | moshii: ok hold on |
| 20:18.44 | moshii | Phat32: the nvidia stuff is non-free so kept away from the rest of debian |
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| 20:18.49 | rower_ | mngrif: just cureus, how come it so easy to install windows.. and its this dificult to install linux? |
| 20:19.09 | stew | rower_: please keep it on topic |
| 20:19.23 | rower_ | stew: sorry.. |
| 20:19.40 | unfo | mngrif: because debian in particular is targeted for sysadmins and computer experts. How is this OT stew? :) |
| 20:19.45 | moshii | rower_: installing linux on it's own would be a pain .. without a userland there isn't that much to linux ;) |
| 20:19.58 | unfo | all, does debian do an ldconfig automatically at reboot? |
| 20:19.59 | rower_ | moshii: haha.. |
| 20:20.09 | stew | unfo: comparing various OSs is not on topic here, this is a debian support channel only |
| 20:20.17 | ACU | another question: I have an external usb DVD drive, the computer has only an internal IDE cd rom (and the bios does not allow usb boot) - I was wondering what would be the best procedure to install Etch from DVD if it is usb and external |
| 20:20.25 | rower_ | well im going to reboot.. try to get x starting for the 1000 time.. then im going back to windows |
| 20:20.37 | moshii | rower_: you can build a decent system with a kernel, busybox and grub though |
| 20:20.37 | rower_ | see yalll.. |
| 20:20.42 | kspath | unfo: There have to be some limits else chaos rises quickly. |
| 20:20.42 | tarzeau | Ironhand: how does performance matter? for alot of clients? |
| 20:20.46 | Phat32 | moshii: I'm running apt-get update |
| 20:20.48 | rodro | USB PROBLEMS: How do I configure my USB? I'm having trouble to recognize my USB optic mouse (MS) and I think its something related to the USB, I'm recieve a TIMEOUT msg when connecting it (or when linux is loading) |
| 20:21.07 | moshii | Phat32: ok, you should be able to install those packages after that finishes |
| 20:21.10 | tarzeau | Ironhand: we used to have ext2/3 on linux. but freebsd performs so much better for nfs/filesystem... i'd recommend debian gnu/kfreebsd |
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| 20:21.17 | tarzeau | Ironhand: however it's not a debian stable release |
| 20:21.32 | Ironhand | tarzeau: yes, and clients reading & writing lots of small files |
| 20:21.33 | unfo | stew: kspath: ok, i start to see your point, but how else does one raise a complaint about "DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical should be a menu option in the installer"? file a bug?? |
| 20:21.45 | unfo | stew: kspath: or about other similar problems |
| 20:21.46 | tarzeau | Ironhand: ohhh go with freebsd really |
| 20:21.54 | tarzeau | Ironhand: and you'll want fast disks and raid |
| 20:21.57 | Phat32 | moshii: nvidia-glx and nvidia-kernel-2.4.27 etc ? |
| 20:21.58 | unfo | tarzeau: ooohh :) |
| 20:22.10 | rodro | WHen a unplug the mouse and Plug it again it shows a msg saying port 1 "TIMEOUT" |
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| 20:22.20 | rodro | then port 2 "TIMEOUT" |
| 20:22.21 | moshii | Phat32: yeah, that's all you need, you don't need to touch module-assistant |
| 20:22.24 | rodro | and so on |
| 20:22.27 | Ironhand | tarzeau: hmmm, interesting, I might look at that... most of my experience is currently with debian linux, but if the difference is that significant I'll consider FreeBSD too |
| 20:22.32 | stew | unfo: check lists.debian.org/debian-boot to see if it has been discussed previously, and maybe ask #debian-boot, or file a wishlist bug against the debian-installer virtual package |
| 20:22.35 | Zvpun | what is the program that displays termcap entries? |
| 20:22.40 | tarzeau | Ironhand: try debian gnu/kfreebsd |
| 20:22.47 | tarzeau | Ironhand: it's debian with apt-get, but ufs2! |
| 20:22.47 | Ironhand | tarzeau: thx, I will |
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| 20:22.52 | unfo | stew: do you think such a bug would really be fulfilled??? |
| 20:22.54 | Phat32 | moshii: says it can't find nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 |
| 20:22.54 | tarzeau | Ironhand: /topic of #gnu-kbsd |
| 20:22.59 | Darten | Hello everybody! |
| 20:23.15 | tarzeau | Ironhand: we have a mailserver that needs to perform like you describe it |
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| 20:23.19 | kspath | Ironhand: In my experience FBSD was better with/at NFS. It also depends on the administrator and their knowledge and experience. |
| 20:23.33 | tarzeau | Ironhand: if you want to know details like disks/hardware/setup, just poke me |
| 20:23.37 | moshii | Phat32: does it say stable in your /etc/apt/sources.list ? |
| 20:23.45 | Darten | How can I tell apt(itude) to ignore a conflict with package lbxproxy? - It keeps keen on deinstalling it (after manual install)... |
| 20:23.51 | bni | anyone know how to disable the autohinter and go back to bytecode interpreter for freetype? recent unstable update changed this setting for me |
| 20:23.52 | tarzeau | kspath: the latter indeed is important |
| 20:24.04 | Ironhand | tarzeau: thanks... I'll take a serious look at it |
| 20:24.08 | Phat32 | moshii: it says stable main non-free |
| 20:24.14 | rodro | How do I configure my USB? I'm having trouble to recognize my USB optic mouse (MS) and I think its something related to the USB, I'm recieve a TIMEOUT msg when connecting it (or when linux is loading) |
| 20:24.18 | stew | unfo: possibly, they already make DEBCONF_PRIORITY settable from the kernel command line |
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| 20:24.49 | unfo | stew: good point. im going to ask in channel now. |
| 20:24.49 | stew | unfo: you can install with "linux DEBCONF_PRIORITY=critical" atthe boot: prompt |
| 20:24.53 | moshii | Phat32: see anything interesting if you run apt-cache search nvidia kernel |
| 20:25.03 | unfo | stew: i know. |
| 20:25.04 | tarzeau | abrotman: man! |
| 20:25.08 | Phat32 | moshii: how do I do that? |
| 20:25.17 | tarzeau | abrotman: i don't want to reboot into windows to try mania drive |
| 20:25.20 | ACU | any hint for installing Etch from an external usb DVD in a computer without USB boot option? |
| 20:25.32 | Phat32 | or was that the command |
| 20:25.36 | moshii | Phat32: run "apt-cache search nvidia kernel" it'll show you what is available |
| 20:25.44 | Phat32 | ahh sorry |
| 20:25.48 | tarzeau | ACU: network/mini cd install |
| 20:25.53 | tarzeau | ACU: laptop? |
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| 20:26.13 | stew | ACU: is some other unix already installed on the machine? |
| 20:26.30 | Phat32 | moshii: it printed a bunch of stuff |
| 20:26.32 | Rower- | back in windows =) |
| 20:26.47 | Phat32 | moshii: how can I send it to you? |
| 20:26.54 | ACU | tarzeau: both but I have no access to internet. I have only DVDs |
| 20:27.13 | Phat32 | moshii: should I ssh to it and run the command again andthen pastebin it? |
| 20:27.15 | moshii | Phat32: pm me with it |
| 20:27.17 | ACU | stew: if I have Linux base install (no graphic interface) what should I do? |
| 20:27.30 | Phat32 | moshii: I would have to type it all out |
| 20:27.31 | stew | ACU: of debian? or what? |
| 20:27.36 | ACU | yes |
| 20:27.53 | stew | Rower-: if you had trouble getting X running with debian you might try a more newbie-friendly diestro like ubuntu |
| 20:27.58 | moshii | Phat32: ah ok, does is there anything like nvidia-kernel-2.4.27-2-386 there? |
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| 20:28.13 | stew | ACU: is there a reason why you have to reinstall instead of just using the install that is already there? |
| 20:28.21 | Rower- | stew: like it would matter? |
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| 20:28.33 | Phat32 | moshii: yes and many others |
| 20:28.36 | Rower- | stew: already tried ubuntu.. well guess what.. =) |
| 20:28.53 | tarzeau | Rower-: you removed it and installed debian? |
| 20:28.59 | ACU | yes - I want to install KDE, gnome, Openoffice and some other bioinformatics tools |
| 20:29.05 | Rower- | tarzeau: no it didnt work eather.. |
| 20:29.07 | moshii | Phat32: install the nvidia-kernel package that is appended with what comes out of uname -r |
| 20:29.09 | tarzeau | lazzarello: linux framebuffer is ugly dead slow |
| 20:29.09 | stew | Rower-: it often matters. unfortunately you have a graphics card that is very new from a vendor that refuses to open its specs to driver writers |
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| 20:29.27 | lazzarello | Rower-, what video card do you have? |
| 20:29.28 | tarzeau | stew: nvidia? they work great using the nvidia driver |
| 20:29.33 | stew | tarzeau: ati |
| 20:29.34 | Rower- | stew: ehm.. very new? its like 2 years old or something |
| 20:29.42 | Phat32 | moshii: didn't we try that already and it said it couldn't find that package? |
| 20:29.43 | tarzeau | stew: the ati card we bought for testing also worked fine |
| 20:29.43 | Rower- | gfx[HIGHTECH EXCALIBUR X700 PRO - Secondary (Omega 3.8.205)] |
| 20:30.00 | moshii | Phat32: if it's in the list it's there ^^ |
| 20:30.07 | lazzarello | does fglrx support the X700 chip? |
| 20:30.14 | moshii | Phat32: probably just a typo |
| 20:30.17 | Rower- | so if i would come here with an gefore 7900gt .. then you would never have heard of it right? |
| 20:30.27 | stew | Rower-: in any case, they still haven't opened up the specs yet no matter how old it is, and nobody has reverse engineered it yet |
| 20:30.37 | ACU | Maybe I should have asked simpler question: if I am at prompt, I have the external usb DVD attached, what should I do to start the installation |
| 20:30.39 | moshii | Phat32: ok, load up aptitude |
| 20:30.55 | Rower- | stew: so.. ati is like sponsored by microsoft or what? |
| 20:30.59 | Phat32 | moshii: done |
| 20:31.02 | lazzarello | ATI's customer support for their proprietary drivers sucks ass. at least nvidia pays attention to their users. |
| 20:31.16 | stew | Rower-: i don't know anything about ati's relationship with microsoft |
| 20:31.17 | moshii | Phat32: press "\" |
| 20:31.26 | lazzarello | but if you don't need 3D sometimes the ones in x.org are good even at very high resolutions. |
| 20:31.29 | stew | ACU: you already have it installed you don't need to start the installation, apt-get install gnome kde openoffice.org |
| 20:31.39 | stew | ACU: or try the aptitude tool and go to tasks |
| 20:31.39 | tarzeau | RichiH: ping |
| 20:31.39 | Phat32 | moshii: it beeped and did nothing |
| 20:31.42 | lazzarello | I got 1920x1200 with the 'nv' driver |
| 20:31.54 | moshii | Phat32: didn't get a search box? |
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| 20:32.33 | tarzeau | lazzarello: but it's not fast |
| 20:32.37 | tarzeau | lazzarello: for 3d games |
| 20:32.40 | Phat32 | moshii: no it just showsmenu help update quit and download/install/remove packages |
| 20:32.52 | lazzarello | of course not. it's not trying to be I dont' think. |
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| 20:33.05 | lazzarello | errr, I do think even. |
| 20:33.13 | Rower- | stew: one thing is surtan, i can install windows 95 without a problem.. and its like 10 years old.. well i got problems with a linux version that is like 1 mounth old or something.. how come ? |
| 20:33.26 | Phat32 | moshii: you gave me the wrong slash |
| 20:33.26 | lazzarello | Rower-, because santa hates you |
| 20:33.30 | Phat32 | it was a typo |
| 20:33.38 | ACU | stew: thanks ! How do I modify sources list from the prompt? I know how to do it from GNOME or KDE but not from prompt |
| 20:33.39 | Phat32 | moshii: I have a search box now |
| 20:33.42 | moshii | Phat32: yeah, it seems my keys are fucked |
| 20:33.51 | Rower- | lazzarello: ehm.. i think santa is jesus.. so jesus hates me :( |
| 20:33.53 | Phat32 | what should I search |
| 20:33.55 | moshii | Phat32: type in nvidia-glx |
| 20:34.10 | Phat32 | hit enter? |
| 20:34.11 | mngrif | ACU: edit /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 20:34.17 | lazzarello | Rower-, yes, unless you run Windows 95 then jesus loves you. |
| 20:34.20 | moshii | Phat32: yeah |
| 20:34.21 | marco13185 | anyone know any good graphing calculator software? |
| 20:34.27 | tarzeau | Rower-: http://www.linuks.mine.nu/jesuslol.jpg |
| 20:34.30 | Rower- | lazzarello: so can you tell me why debian sucks? |
| 20:34.40 | Rower- | oh sorry.. debians installer sucks =) |
| 20:34.40 | stew | ACU: editor /etc/apt/sources.list; if you are running stable you can alternately use apt-setup |
| 20:34.40 | Phat32 | moshii: now what? hit g to install? |
| 20:34.42 | moshii | Phat32: scroll down to the depends that says nvidia-kernel and hit enter |
| 20:34.45 | tarzeau | marco13185: to do what exactly? |
| 20:34.48 | lazzarello | Rower-, yes, I can. It does not suck, you are using it wrong. |
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| 20:34.58 | stew | ACU: if you edit it by hand you may wish to refer to "man sources.list" |
| 20:35.09 | lazzarello | Rower-, but seriously, have you tried to install the proprietary driver for your card? |
| 20:35.11 | Rower- | lazzarello: is there a way to use the installer wrong, gees.. |
| 20:35.17 | Rower- | lazzarello: yepp |
| 20:35.24 | lazzarello | and your kernel said what? |
| 20:35.25 | Phat32 | moshii: there are 8 different kernels |
| 20:35.31 | marco13185 | tarzeau, heh, something comparable to nuCalc |
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| 20:35.39 | Phat32 | should I only select the 386 one/ |
| 20:35.39 | Rower- | lazzarello: that the system sucks, and i should return to windows.. |
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| 20:35.48 | Phat32 | moshii: should I only select the 386 one? |
| 20:35.57 | moshii | Phat32: press + on the one that looks like 2.4.27-2-386 |
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| 20:36.04 | lazzarello | Rower-, weird, I don't remember ever seeing anything like that. I guess you are a troll now. Have a nice day! |
| 20:36.06 | Rower- | lazzarello: no but.. i have 2 graphical cards.. 1 in the motherboard and 1 on the pci-x .. |
| 20:36.12 | ACU | thanks. Last question (maybe to trivial) I have the usb DVD external attached, I am at prompt how can I change directory to the usb external DVD? |
| 20:36.27 | MatBoy | moshii, I have no option to use nv for both cards... I can only start X using nvidia |
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| 20:36.36 | Rower- | lazzarello: well anyway =) you cant help me.. im going to try gentoo now :D |
| 20:37.07 | moshii | Phat32: yeah, then press q and press + on the nvidia-glx one and hit g :) |
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| 20:37.23 | Phat32 | moshii: I had already hit enter on it and now I can't figure out how to get back to the search results |
| 20:37.32 | abrotman | tarzeau: don't? |
| 20:37.35 | Phat32 | ahh q worked |
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| 20:38.13 | Phat32 | moshii: should I do the kernel one too or just glx? |
| 20:38.20 | vibronik | hi there, do you know any room that could be used for tests? |
| 20:38.28 | wombachi | ACU you'll have to mount it somewhere. |
| 20:38.28 | moshii | Phat32: you need both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx |
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| 20:38.50 | moshii | Phat32: nvidia-glx won't install without a nvidia-kernel package |
| 20:39.01 | Phat32 | moshii: it says the kernel one is unavailable and it's all red |
| 20:39.28 | stew | Phat32: what version of debian are you running? |
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| 20:39.38 | Phat32 | moshii: do I need to upgrade to kernel 2.6 or something? |
| 20:39.39 | kyo | hi |
| 20:39.51 | Rower | well i think i found out the reason why it didnt work!!! |
| 20:39.56 | Phat32 | stew: how do I find out what version it is? |
| 20:40.00 | Rower | Debian hates me!!! |
| 20:40.01 | kyo | I need help?. |
| 20:40.05 | moshii | Phat32: you could, you should run a 686, k7 and so forth kernel too |
| 20:40.06 | kyo | I need help. |
| 20:40.27 | bni | how do i reconfigure packages these days, dpkg-reconfigure doesnt seem to work anymore? |
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| 20:40.32 | tarzeau | kyo: welcome to #debian, how can we help you? |
| 20:40.39 | stew | Phat32: not all the versions are numbered. do you know if you are running "testing" or "stable" or "etch" or what? |
| 20:40.41 | Phat32 | moshii: they are all unavailable |
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| 20:40.46 | tarzeau | bni: yes it works. which pkg? |
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| 20:41.00 | kyo | When I start the xserver there are some errors and warnings |
| 20:41.09 | Phat32 | stew: i just know I installed from a net install cd and my sources.list uses stable a lot |
| 20:41.19 | bni | tarzeau: the one where you choose if fonts shold be drawn with the autohinter or not |
| 20:41.24 | kyo | the first is (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist. |
| 20:41.29 | gpd | any pointers on DAV setup with iCal and apache2 - getting 403 despite authentication ok and folder 777 |
| 20:41.29 | ACU | wombachi: how to mount the external usvb DVD drive? |
| 20:41.45 | moshii | Phat32: I think you should upgrade your kernel a moment first, what sort of CPU do you have? |
| 20:41.51 | tarzeau | kyo: sid? |
| 20:41.52 | Phat32 | moshii: How do I net install a newer kernel? Do I even need to? |
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| 20:42.00 | kyo | no sarge |
| 20:42.02 | ACU | wombachi: from prompt |
| 20:42.04 | tarzeau | bni: which package you tryin' to reconfigure? |
| 20:42.12 | Phat32 | moshii: it's a pentium 3 800mhz coppermine I think |
| 20:42.24 | wombachi | like any other mount : "mount -t fstype /device /mountpoint" |
| 20:42.39 | moshii | Phat32: at the moment you a running the 386 kernel which isn't as "quick" as the 686 one |
| 20:42.47 | wombachi | ACU ex mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt/tmp (as root) |
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| 20:42.51 | Phat32 | moshii: it's a dell optiplex 110 |
| 20:42.59 | moshii | Phat32: exit aptitude a moment, press q a few times |
| 20:43.06 | bni | tarzeau: one of the x server pkgs or freetype im not sure |
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| 20:43.29 | tarzeau | bni: good luck finding the one :) |
| 20:43.41 | Phat32 | moshii: out of aptitude |
| 20:43.44 | omal | anyone know offhand where debian likes to hide its kernel headers? |
| 20:43.52 | moshii | Phat32: apt-get install kernel-image-2.6-686 |
| 20:43.53 | tarzeau | omal: /usr/include ? |
| 20:43.55 | unfo | omal: apt-cache search kernel headers |
| 20:44.00 | tarzeau | omal: after having the package installed , right? |
| 20:44.08 | omal | did that search |
| 20:44.10 | wombachi | omal dpkg -l kernel-headers-\* | grep ^i |
| 20:44.11 | omal | they are installed |
| 20:44.14 | jae | On Sun-Java5: please be aware that there was no public discussion of the license prior to upload to unstable |
| 20:44.30 | wombachi | omal dpkg -L kernel-headers-foo then |
| 20:44.37 | Phat32 | moshii: it's installing |
| 20:44.41 | stew | omal: they are installed to /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/build |
| 20:44.47 | omal | thanks guys |
| 20:44.50 | jae | On Sun-Java5: and some member of Debian think it isn't really legal to distribute with the current license at this point |
| 20:44.54 | ACU | Thanks to stew, mngrif and wombachi. I appreciate your help! |
| 20:44.58 | stew | omal: well they are installed to /usr/src but symlinked to from that build location |
| 20:45.05 | ACU | Good bye |
| 20:45.06 | moshii | Phat32: you need to reboot after it finishes, your computer will be better for it though |
| 20:45.22 | omal | nope, all i had in /usr/src was a kernel tarball |
| 20:45.23 | stew | jae: debian is currently distributing it, http://wiki.debian.org/Java/Sun |
| 20:45.27 | omal | thats where i expected to find them |
| 20:45.31 | Phat32 | moshii: rebooting |
| 20:45.51 | jae | stew: I know, and I (and others, see debian-devel) think this is wrong |
| 20:46.07 | omal | hm, and no build directory |
| 20:46.12 | jae | s!member!members! |
| 20:46.18 | stew | omal: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 20:46.25 | omal | apt-get loudly asserts that they are installed too |
| 20:46.35 | omal | 2.6.15-1-486 |
| 20:46.40 | omal | i'm in a directory of that name |
| 20:46.41 | stew | jae: you are against non-free in general or against sun-java5 in non-free? |
| 20:46.45 | moshii | Phat32: run uname -r once it's back up |
| 20:46.46 | omal | under /usr/lib/modules |
| 20:46.52 | omal | but no "build" within |
| 20:46.52 | Phat32 | ok I will |
| 20:46.56 | stew | omal: apt-get install linux-headers-$(uname -r) |
| 20:47.08 | Phat32 | moshii: is it ok that it boots to run level 1 again? |
| 20:47.11 | jae | stew: against sun-java in non-free... purely on legal grounds, I was happy to see it *at first* |
| 20:47.12 | wombachi | omal kernel headers != kernel modules |
| 20:47.17 | moshii | Phat32: yeah |
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| 20:47.41 | omal | AHA |
| 20:47.49 | jae | stew: Bill Alombert brought up a whopper I think, in that "distribute with the OS" excludes non-free |
| 20:47.56 | jae | as non-free is not part of Debian |
| 20:47.58 | moshii | Phat32: you realise you can get back to the virtual terminals once X has started don't you? |
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| 20:48.08 | omal | wombachi, yeah i was confused on that too, but someone told me to look in the modules directory just now ;) |
| 20:48.11 | tarzeau | !preseed |
| 20:48.21 | stew | jae: that is possibly a valid point. |
| 20:48.23 | omal | it would appear that whatever apt thought i had, was not in fact, what i needed |
| 20:48.24 | jae | and *every* DD *must* know this (though I know quite a few don't) |
| 20:48.33 | stew | jae: yes and yes |
| 20:48.37 | unfo | tarzeau: maybe !preseed is a bot command????? |
| 20:48.52 | tarzeau | unfo: i'll see what i can do, i've had examples online |
| 20:49.08 | tarzeau | unfo: wait i've got the host back up: |
| 20:49.09 | Phat32 | moshii: uname -r = 2.6.8-3-686 |
| 20:49.11 | tarzeau | unfo: http://gnu.ethz.ch/d-i/ |
| 20:49.23 | tarzeau | unfo: but i'll relocate these to io.debian.net/~tar/ during the next few days |
| 20:49.29 | moshii | Phat32: lovely, run module assistant and try to get it to build the nvidia stuff |
| 20:49.36 | wombachi | omal apt-get install linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486? |
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| 20:49.44 | wombachi | then dpkg -L linux-headers-2.6.15-1-486? |
| 20:49.45 | kyo | the first problem i have is (WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist. |
| 20:49.45 | omal | wombachi, aye that did it |
| 20:50.14 | unfo | tarzeau: nah, sounds like too much work. i install seldom. |
| 20:50.36 | stew | jae: when/where did you hear that from balombert? |
| 20:50.37 | wombachi | Sun recently promissed to make java free. again :-/ Hope this will become reality soon |
| 20:50.41 | Phat32 | moshii: I am in run level 1 because invidia said to do that so I could use their installer |
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| 20:50.50 | bni | "dpkg-reconfigure fontconfig" wont ask me any questions. isnt it supposed to ask me if I want to enable the autohinter or not? |
| 20:51.01 | kyo | What will happen if I will delete it in the file configuration? |
| 20:51.02 | Phat32 | moshii: should I click prepare again? |
| 20:51.11 | moshii | Phat32: you shouldn't need to |
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| 20:52.52 | jae | stew: looking for it, it was a thread on debian-devel/-legal (starting with Michael Meskes cross-posting a reply to the announcement to -devel/-legal) |
| 20:53.05 | Phat32 | moshii: it says, "bad luck, the kernel headers for the targer kernel version could not be found and you did not specify other valid kernel headers to use " |
| 20:53.07 | stew | jae: ahh ok, i can look it up |
| 20:53.22 | moshii | Phat32: ok, try prepare again ^^ sorry |
| 20:53.34 | abrotman | jae: you can make the argument that it is part of the OS .. it's certainly available .. but what do you define as "in the OS" .. only main? |
| 20:53.37 | stew | jae: http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2006/05/msg00064.html |
| 20:54.43 | Phat32 | moshii: building!!! |
| 20:54.48 | moshii | Phat32: yay! |
| 20:55.43 | Phat32 | moshii: something happened it said removing nvidia-kernel |
| 20:56.14 | moshii | Phat32: did it install the package it created? |
| 20:56.25 | Phat32 | I tried to install it |
| 20:56.32 | Phat32 | I don't think it worked |
| 20:56.37 | Phat32 | I'll try again |
| 20:56.51 | jae | stew: argh, forget Bill (no, of course not ;), it was by Don Armstrong |
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| 20:57.02 | moshii | Phat32: the resulting package will be in /usr/src |
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| 20:57.03 | Phat32 | moshii: I think it worked |
| 20:57.08 | abrotman | jae: is the license on packages.debian.org ? |
| 20:57.09 | phaedrus_ | hey hey |
| 20:57.19 | moshii | Phat32: ok cool, now you need to install nvidia-glx |
| 20:57.22 | phaedrus_ | what is that command to add http to apt ? |
| 20:57.30 | jae | abrotman: yes, official Debian stance: Debian is main, everything else is not (really) |
| 20:57.50 | Phat32 | moshii: apt-get install nvidia-glx? |
| 20:57.57 | moshii | Phat32: indeed |
| 20:57.59 | stew | jae: yeah i see it now. well since sun is actually working with DDs directly, i'm guessing something will get worked out |
| 20:58.02 | abrotman | jae: i guess it's open to interpretaton .. but IANAL |
| 20:58.16 | thingfish | phaedrus_: you want to add an http source? |
| 20:58.25 | phaedrus_ | yeah |
| 20:58.26 | stew | abrotman: read the last paragraph of the SC, that doesn't leave much room for interpretation |
| 20:58.30 | thingfish | phaedrus_: apt-setup |
| 20:58.36 | bni | in debian installer you are asked for how detailed questions you want to answer in debconf. How can I set this setting to "all" on an already setup system so dpkg-reconfigure pkg will ask me all config questions? |
| 20:58.44 | phaedrus_ | ok ill try that |
| 20:58.50 | abrotman | stew: reading is hard .. let's go to a baseball game! |
| 20:59.03 | stew | abrotman: is it going to rain? |
| 20:59.03 | jae | only source of the license I know is (apart from Sun's site) a posting on -legal by Brian Carlson |
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| 20:59.16 | phaedrus_ | thanks thingfish |
| 20:59.32 | thingfish | no problem |
| 20:59.35 | abrotman | stew: it says "Showers" |
| 20:59.45 | Phat32 | moshii: the following packages have unmet dependencies: nvidia-glx: Depends nvidia-kernel-1.0.7174 E: Broken packages |
| 20:59.51 | abrotman | stew: and i didn't mean Debian's interpretation .. i meant a lawyer's :) |
| 20:59.57 | stew | Phat32: put your sources.list into a pastebin |
| 21:00.16 | abrotman | jae: which is the OS clause? |
| 21:00.20 | Phat32 | stew: how can I do that without a gui? |
| 21:00.29 | stew | !pastewithoutx |
| 21:00.29 | dpkg | i guess pastewithoutx is you can install gpm, which gives you familiar mouse functionality from the console like drag to select and middle click to insert the selection ; or: apt-get install w3m ; w3m http://channels.debian.net/paste ; hit enter on the Big Box, it will open /usr/bin/editor where you can insert the file, then save ; then hit enter on the submit button in w3m |
| 21:00.31 | moshii | Phat32: did module assistant build properly? did it ask you if you would like to install the created package |
| 21:01.09 | abrotman | jae: wait .. i'm reading that license .. and it seems ok(except the indemnify clause) |
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| 21:01.22 | Phat32 | moshii: Yes it asked me to but I don't know if it installed because I saw an error while it was scrolling |
| 21:01.35 | moshii | Phat32: cd into /usr/src |
| 21:01.42 | Phat32 | already in there |
| 21:01.47 | moshii | Phat32: ls *.deb and you should see your kernel package |
| 21:01.50 | abrotman | jae: i take that back |
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| 21:02.01 | moshii | Phat32: dpkg -i nvidia-kernel... |
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| 21:02.14 | cr3 | what's the difference between the real and effective user id? |
| 21:02.33 | abrotman | jae: am i understanding that license to mean that debian can't distribute kaffe or sablevm anymore? |
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| 21:03.07 | jae | abrotman: that's my interpretation too... Sun Java together with other JVMs or classlibs is a no-no |
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| 21:03.17 | jae | But IANAL either |
| 21:03.23 | abrotman | jae: WANL!!! |
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| 21:03.30 | Phat32 | moshii: nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-3-686_1.0.7174-3+2.6.8-16sarge2_i386.deb |
| 21:03.43 | Phat32 | man that sucked typing that... |
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| 21:03.48 | moshii | Phat32: does it install with dpkg? |
| 21:03.56 | aXp | hi all! iam getting a weired "could not open default font "fixed" " where to find it? |
| 21:03.58 | Phat32 | haven't tried |
| 21:04.11 | Phat32 | moshii: what would be the command to do that? |
| 21:04.15 | stew | aXp: what version of x/debian? |
| 21:04.18 | moshii | Phat32: dpkg -i nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-3-686_1.0.7174-3+2.6.8-16sarge2_i386.deb |
| 21:04.22 | phaedrus_ | dammit ...what is the save command in vi ? |
| 21:04.35 | moshii | phaedrus_: w |
| 21:04.35 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 21:04.39 | phaedrus_ | thanks |
| 21:04.42 | jae | abrotman: and Debian's definition of what "Debian GNU/Linux the OS" is, is *very* relevant in this context |
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| 21:05.01 | phaedrus_ | uh... in vi the text editor |
| 21:05.05 | phaedrus_ | i need to save |
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| 21:05.20 | moshii | phaedrus_: press escape type w press enter |
| 21:05.27 | phaedrus_ | ok |
| 21:05.45 | Phat32 | moshii: I think it's telling me I have to instal nvidia-kernel-common first |
| 21:05.49 | moshii | phaedrus_: press escape type q press enter to quit ... all the vi you need to know |
| 21:06.03 | moshii | Phat32: ah, better install that then :) |
| 21:06.13 | abrotman | jae: IANAL .. but after a few beers .. i'm very apt to give legal advice! :) |
| 21:06.14 | Phat32 | apt-get install again |
| 21:06.14 | Phat32 | ? |
| 21:06.22 | moshii | Phat32: yup |
| 21:06.37 | jae | abrotman: lol |
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| 21:06.57 | Phat32 | moshii: it says it's not available but is refered to |
| 21:07.00 | abrotman | jae: if you're really that concerned .. cross-post(ick ick ick) to -legal and -java |
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| 21:07.10 | Phat32 | moshii: why can't I do any commands without getting errors?! |
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| 21:07.24 | scumm_ | http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/14227 --> I'M aplying the 2.6.17 patch to a 2.6.16! what's wrong? why it doesn't work ? |
| 21:07.36 | phaedrus_ | moshii i made a stoopid mistake |
| 21:07.50 | abrotman | scumm_: you're using ubuntu ? and you're asking in #debian ? |
| 21:07.57 | phaedrus_ | i was tryin to use nano commands in vi |
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| 21:08.03 | phaedrus_ | they dont werk so well : P |
| 21:08.04 | streuner | scumm_: #ubuntu |
| 21:08.10 | abrotman | scumm_: of course .. you should really be asking #kernel |
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| 21:08.24 | moshii | Phat32: ok you need to add contrib to your /etc/apt/sources.list too |
| 21:08.24 | phaedrus_ | scumm_ switch to debian.. |
| 21:08.36 | phaedrus_ | ubuntu = no fun ....hehe |
| 21:08.38 | Phat32 | phaedrus: hit i to start typing then esc when you're done then :wq to save and exit |
| 21:08.53 | Phat32 | moshii: I'm on it |
| 21:09.01 | moshii | phaedrus_: if you have nano you should you just use that :) |
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| 21:09.57 | Phat32 | moshii: should I add non-free and contrib to the security mirror? |
| 21:10.02 | imex | any good ideas on reading how to use Linux properly, well, i got it installed |
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| 21:10.21 | stew | scumm_: if you are applying a kenrel patch and it is failing you are applying it against the wrong version or with the wrong -p, since one hunk succeeeded you must have the right -p |
| 21:10.27 | phaedrus_ | hehe yeah moshii where were you when i was trying to edit the text? |
| 21:10.28 | phaedrus_ | hehe |
| 21:10.33 | moshii | Phat32: I don't think security has those sources |
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| 21:10.47 | stew | Phat32: yes |
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| 21:11.01 | steven_ | I am trying to build ndiswrapper and i get this error. Can't find kernel build files in /usr/src/linux |
| 21:11.28 | thingfish | imex: there's rute (http://rute.2038bug.com/index.html.gz) and tldp.org, also wiki.debian.org |
| 21:11.30 | phaedrus_ | install the kernel-headers steven_ |
| 21:11.38 | steven_ | I have, thats the thing. |
| 21:12.04 | phaedrus_ | right kernel |
| 21:12.06 | phaedrus_ | ? |
| 21:12.24 | steven_ | this is what I get for my cat proc version Linux version 2.6.16-1-k7 |
| 21:12.26 | imex | thingfish: thanks i will try those |
| 21:12.34 | Phat32 | moshii: nvidia-kernel-2.6.8-3-686_1.0.7174-3+2.6.8-16sarge2_i386.deb is installed now!! |
| 21:12.42 | Phat32 | moshii: what do I do next |
| 21:12.47 | moshii | Phat32: nvidia-glx |
| 21:12.50 | Phat32 | oh yeah |
| 21:13.29 | Phat32 | moshii: done |
| 21:13.32 | Phat32 | now what |
| 21:13.40 | moshii | Phat32: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 |
| 21:13.49 | moshii | Phat32: select nvidia there |
| 21:14.02 | steven_ | linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 I have that package installed. |
| 21:14.09 | abrotman | !tell imex about grounding |
| 21:14.40 | phaedrus_ | uname -r steven_ will give you your kernel version |
| 21:14.43 | phaedrus_ | or number |
| 21:14.45 | Phat32 | moshii: do I choose nv or nvidia? I'm assuming nvidia since it wasn't there before |
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| 21:14.55 | steven_ | 2.6.16-1-k7 |
| 21:15.02 | phaedrus_ | oh |
| 21:15.04 | aXp | steven_, debian etch, xorg 7 and trying to set up XGL |
| 21:15.13 | thingfish | Phat32: yes, choose nvidia. |
| 21:15.13 | moshii | Phat32: nv = the free 2d only driver, nvidia = the closed driver from nvidia |
| 21:15.20 | phaedrus_ | what ndiswrapper package you instaling? |
| 21:15.27 | steven_ | ndiswrapper-source |
| 21:15.33 | steven_ | i am trying to build modules |
| 21:16.02 | imex | abortman: nice piece :p, i am still learning |
| 21:16.07 | phaedrus_ | apt-get install ndiswrapper* and look at the list before you install |
| 21:16.08 | Phat32 | moshii: oh crap I have seen this before... it wants my card name which I don't know and then it will want the bus number which I also don't know |
| 21:16.22 | phaedrus_ | pick the one that matches your kernel |
| 21:16.31 | phaedrus_ | and then apt-get that one |
| 21:16.41 | stew | aXp: http://wiki.debian.org/Xorg69To7 ; http://wiki.debian.org/Xgl |
| 21:16.43 | moshii | Phat32: press enter |
| 21:16.49 | moshii | Phat32: you don't need them ;) |
| 21:16.51 | imex | cyaz all when i got more knowledge, thanks all |
| 21:17.17 | steven_ | there isn't one, that is why I am trying to build it. |
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| 21:17.33 | imex | quit |
| 21:17.33 | stew | steven_: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 21:17.40 | steven_ | 2.6.16-1-k7 |
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| 21:18.13 | Phat32 | moshii: it wants my keyboard variant... what is that? should I leave it blank? |
| 21:18.19 | steven_ | i can get ndiswrapper-utils to install fine, but i do not have the modules packages |
| 21:18.20 | stew | steven_: and linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 is installed? |
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| 21:18.30 | steven_ | stew: yes |
| 21:18.41 | steven_ | linux-headers-2.6.16-1-k7 I have that package installed. |
| 21:18.44 | stew | steven_: but "m-a a-i ndiswrapper" fails becuase of missing headers? |
| 21:18.59 | moshii | Phat32: what sort of keyboard do you have? Mine is gb for great britain |
| 21:19.00 | phaedrus_ | did you apt-get install ndiswrappr*? |
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| 21:19.12 | Phat32 | moshii: mine is us |
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| 21:19.18 | Phat32 | but that isn't the variant |
| 21:19.32 | steven_ | stew: when i type debian/rules binary-modules when trying to build from ndiswrapper-source |
| 21:19.40 | moshii | Phat32: ah, that's the pc-104 or something thingy ain't it? |
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| 21:19.41 | Phat32 | moshii, I already told it it was us and now it wants the variant |
| 21:19.45 | moshii | Phat32: enter should do |
| 21:19.50 | stew | steven_: why aren't you using m-a? |
| 21:19.52 | Phat32 | no I told it it was 104 |
| 21:19.59 | Phat32 | variant is after those two |
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| 21:20.08 | stew | steven_: /msg dpkg ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:20.15 | moshii | Phat32: enter then, if in doubt enter |
| 21:20.17 | Phat32 | moshii: leave it blank then? |
| 21:20.36 | steven_ | stew: what do you mean?/ |
| 21:21.09 | stew | !tell steven_ about ndiswrapper one-liner |
| 21:21.14 | zamaliphe | i have creat mplayer .deb pakg but the file siz is 10.1 kb ? |
| 21:21.23 | moshii | Phat32: yeah |
| 21:21.40 | steven_ | stew: module-assistant throws error too |
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| 21:22.11 | stew | steven_: what error? |
| 21:22.30 | stew | zamaliphe: why are you creating your own instead of using marillat's? |
| 21:22.35 | zamaliphe | so how to cheack if the pakeg is good or not |
| 21:22.57 | stew | zamaliphe: run lintian -i or linda -i on the .changes |
| 21:22.58 | zamaliphe | stew: to compill mplyer with fribidi 2 |
| 21:23.11 | stew | zamaliphe: and "dpkg -c foo.deb" will list it's contents |
| 21:23.25 | aXp | stew, still no luck! |
| 21:23.31 | steven_ | stew: it fails, so i tried to build from source, and it complains about /usr/src/linux build files missing. So i believe it is the same thing for both |
| 21:23.58 | stew | aXp: what version of xfonts-base do you have installed? |
| 21:24.34 | stew | steven_: what version of module-assistant, what version of ndiswrapper-source? what version of debian? |
| 21:24.50 | moshii | Phat32: is it working? I really need to get some revision done ^^ |
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| 21:25.36 | Phat32 | moshii: yeah it finished |
| 21:25.47 | Phat32 | should I reboot to runlevel 2? |
| 21:26.01 | steven_ | stew: module is 0.10.4 |
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| 21:26.27 | steven_ | stew: ndiswrapper is 1.16-1 |
| 21:26.37 | Phat32 | moshii: where is inittab located I forgot |
| 21:26.44 | thingfish | Phat32: or you can just log out and do ctrl-alt-bkspc |
| 21:26.54 | steven_ | stew: whats the command to check debian version, I have dist-upgraded from sarge using unstable. |
| 21:27.13 | Phat32 | I need to put my inittab back the way it was though |
| 21:27.29 | stew | steven_: you are on unstable; you should check the bts for both packages |
| 21:27.32 | aXp | stew, |
| 21:27.35 | aXp | xfonts-base/sid uptodate 1:1.0.0-3 |
| 21:27.37 | aXp | sry |
| 21:27.39 | stew | Phat32: its in /etc |
| 21:27.51 | stew | aXp: can you put your xorg.conf into a pastebin? |
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| 21:28.17 | aXp | stew, yep |
| 21:28.27 | sander | anyone know about a linux compatible pda.... or any small linux compatible device with bluetooth? |
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| 21:28.58 | steven_ | stew: how do i do that? I just changed from ubuntu. |
| 21:29.11 | stew | steven_: /msg dpkg bts |
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| 21:29.19 | unfo | steven_: you did ubuntu2debian? |
| 21:29.28 | tarzeau | unfo: me! me! |
| 21:29.31 | stew | !forget ubuntu2debian |
| 21:29.33 | steven_ | no, I did a clean install |
| 21:29.37 | unfo | tarzeau: what??? |
| 21:29.38 | tarzeau | steven_: WHY? |
| 21:29.45 | steven_ | new hard drive. |
| 21:29.52 | aXp | stew, http://pastebin.com/725434 |
| 21:29.53 | tarzeau | stew! |
| 21:29.55 | gpm | hi. anyone in here use gtk2-engines-clearlooks? if so, does your progressbar animation work? if i try to enable mine (by editing the gtkrc) it goes to the default theme instead of working...i'm trying to decide if i should file a bug or not. please help me if you know anything about this. |
| 21:29.59 | sander | i'm setting up a bluetooth service |
| 21:30.00 | steven_ | dapper pissed me off, data loss bugs |
| 21:30.13 | sander | anyone know about a cheap device I can do that from? |
| 21:30.13 | stew | tarzeau: we've already had ubuntu users in here demending support from this channel becuase they ran your script |
| 21:30.13 | tarzeau | !dpkg ubuntu2debian is http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse |
| 21:30.14 | dpkg | ...but ubuntu2debian is already something else... |
| 21:30.23 | sander | with debian:-) |
| 21:30.23 | tarzeau | stew: i can support them |
| 21:30.34 | sander | or some other os. |
| 21:30.35 | tarzeau | stew: during the time i'm awake. just tell them to come back 8 hours later |
| 21:30.54 | stew | ubuntu2debian is not supported by #debian, you can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script instead |
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| 21:31.07 | stew | !ubuntu2debian is also not supported by #debian, you can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script instead |
| 21:31.07 | dpkg | okay, stew |
| 21:31.09 | tarzeau | stew: ok let's make the contact info better at least |
| 21:31.32 | tarzeau | dpkg ubuntu2debian is also http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
| 21:31.32 | dpkg | tarzeau: okay |
| 21:31.36 | tarzeau | stew: fine then |
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| 21:32.21 | tarzeau | stew: i wonder when that was, because i do read my backlogs... |
| 21:32.28 | stew | tarzeau: "BadMan" |
| 21:32.30 | tarzeau | stew: well probably nobody mentioned my nick |
| 21:32.34 | stew | i did |
| 21:32.34 | tarzeau | !seen badman |
| 21:32.35 | dpkg | badman <i=eXoduS@adsl196-129-209-206-196.adsl196-7.iam.net.ma> was last seen on IRC in channel #debian, 12h 42m 30s ago, saying: '<< how to do this?'. |
| 21:32.45 | tarzeau | !ma |
| 21:32.46 | dpkg | hmm... ma is milliampere(s). Morocco |
| 21:33.07 | steven_ | I might have to change kernels. GRRR |
| 21:33.37 | steven_ | ake[4]: *** [/usr/src/modules/ndiswrapper/ndis.o] Error 1 ? |
| 21:33.37 | steven_ | <PROTECTED> |
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| 21:33.50 | unfo | !ubuntu2debian |
| 21:33.50 | dpkg | i heard ubuntu2debian is You will probably *not* end up with an acutal debian install, so you'll probably not get support in #debian#ubuntu, or not supported by #debian, you can contact tarzeau directly if you need support after running this script instead, or http://www.linuks.mine.nu/ubuntu/uncurse /msg tarzeau help me on ubuntu2debian and gurkan@linuks.mine.nu |
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| 21:33.56 | unfo | maybe it could be rewritten? |
| 21:34.02 | unfo | i mean the bot msg. |
| 21:34.08 | stew | tarzeau: i can give you the synopsis, he was claiming to be running debian, everyone else was claiming he should go to #ubuntu becuase he was running ubuntu, this lasted for about a half hour and he left in a huff |
| 21:34.31 | unfo | or maybe someone could write a webpage about it? |
| 21:34.31 | tarzeau | stew: look when you have all packages from debian and no others. that's debian |
| 21:34.36 | tarzeau | stew: no matter how you managed that |
| 21:34.37 | unfo | tarzeau: um |
| 21:34.48 | unfo | tarzeau: there can be slight differences. |
| 21:34.55 | tarzeau | unfo: no |
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| 21:35.30 | steven_ | would it be a huge loss to move back to a 2.4 kernel? ndiswrapper was fine then... |
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| 21:35.37 | tarzeau | steven_: no |
| 21:35.39 | unfo | tarzeau: could you prove me wrong by a cruft(8) output log? |
| 21:35.44 | tarzeau | steven_: i've also have problems with 2.6 |
| 21:35.44 | steven_ | i just need standby for my laptop |
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| 21:36.45 | tarzeau | unfo: cruft(8)? |
| 21:36.50 | steven_ | thank you everyone for you help. SHouldn't have changed kernels :) |
| 21:37.20 | tarzeau | uhm |
| 21:37.29 | tarzeau | sid's got a problem with apt? |
| 21:37.49 | Shadowcat | sid has a lot of problems at the moment |
| 21:37.49 | stew | tarzeau: he didn't have all debian packages, he had ubuntu's libc6 and other ubuntu pacakges in a broken state iirc |
| 21:37.57 | unfo | !cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run. |
| 21:37.57 | dpkg | ...but cruft is already something else... |
| 21:38.02 | Shadowcat | including introducing data corruption in a round of updates |
| 21:38.08 | Shadowcat | or at least I think it's sid |
| 21:38.09 | tarzeau | stew: then that's his fault |
| 21:38.13 | Shadowcat | gonna run more tests tomorrow |
| 21:38.19 | unfo | !cruft |
| 21:38.19 | dpkg | it has been said that cruft is a program which allows one to Find any cruft built up on your system, or defined recursively in terms of "cruft" |
| 21:38.23 | unfo | !forget cruft |
| 21:38.23 | dpkg | unfo: i forgot cruft |
| 21:38.25 | unfo | !cruft is a program to look over your system for anything that shouldn't be there, but is; or for anything that should be there, but isn't. To install it, type apt-get install cruft. It takes a while to run. |
| 21:38.25 | dpkg | okay, unfo |
| 21:38.29 | Shadowcat | I have two reiserfs partitions on two machines screwing up out of the blue |
| 21:38.30 | tarzeau | stew: i've managed to do a full conversion, it requires a reboot for a debian kernel |
| 21:38.31 | Shadowcat | can't be the fs |
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| 21:40.31 | estupendocero | would this be a good place to ask about VLC, or is there a better channel? |
| 21:40.55 | tarzeau | unfo: i will do so. you'll get your cruft output |
| 21:40.58 | unfo | estupendocero: this is ok |
| 21:41.12 | tarzeau | unfo: the computer is at the lug facility, where i'm going to on thursday in a week |
| 21:41.26 | unfo | tarzeau: great, could you post it on your webpage along with a description of how you got the output? |
| 21:41.41 | tarzeau | unfo: i will do so gladly |
| 21:41.49 | unfo | cool :) |
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| 21:42.26 | unfo | tarzeau: and if you could throw in a full log of ./uncurse's output too that'd be even better. |
| 21:42.43 | gpm | hi. anyone in here use gtk2-engines-clearlooks? if so, does your progressbar animation work? if i try to enable mine (by editing the gtkrc) it goes to the default theme instead of working...i'm trying to decide if i should file a bug or not. please help me if you know anything about this. |
| 21:42.44 | tarzeau | unfo: man, that means i have to install ubuntu.... |
| 21:42.47 | tarzeau | unfo: you are mean! |
| 21:42.49 | estupendocero | Well basically, totem will play xvid encoded files, but vlc won't. I want to use vlc because it supports seperate audio and video tracks (subtitles and such). How can I get it to work? |
| 21:42.55 | estupendocero | I already have the codecs |
| 21:43.27 | unfo | tarzeau: >you are mean!> :) i'm not forcing you, it's just a challenge, you dont have to do it. |
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| 21:44.28 | chealer | estupendocero: there's a #videolan |
| 21:44.53 | estupendocero | chealer, much better, thank you. |
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| 21:45.23 | CAiRO | where does slapd store it's database? i've looked at /var/lib/slapd but it isn't there |
| 21:46.23 | unfo | CAiRO: maybe dpkg -L slapd will help you? |
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| 21:47.08 | CAiRO | unfo: not really as the database is not part of the package, but i found it finally in /var/lib/ldap |
| 21:47.23 | CAiRO | very strange, i didn't expect anthoer directory in /var/lib |
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| 21:47.42 | coolpix | nuecht |
| 21:47.49 | Thanatermesis | using rsync for a backup'ing system, what happens if i "cut" the transfer ? the file are uploaded again because not is complete or just skipped ? |
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| 21:48.19 | tarzeau | Thanatermesis: nothing will happen, it just stops. they'll be fixed. |
| 21:48.22 | unfo | CAiRO: maybe there's a way to get a list of registered config-files for a package, I dunno how. |
| 21:48.31 | stew | Thanatermesis: uploaded again. they aren't moved into place until they are transferred completely |
| 21:48.43 | Thanatermesis | aha, perfect :) |
| 21:48.47 | Thanatermesis | thx |
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| 21:50.43 | zamaliphe | i use DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS="--prefix=/usr --confdir=/etc/mplayer --enable-runtime-cpudetection --enable-gui" fakeroot debian/rules binary |
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| 22:01.33 | phaedrus_ | y0 |
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| 22:02.54 | phaedrus_ | not sudo ? |
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| 22:02.58 | bztunk | phaedrus_: apt-get install sudo |
| 22:02.58 | dondelelcaro | phaedrus_: su |
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| 22:07.37 | streuner | phaedrus_: rm /usr/local/some_app |
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| 22:08.34 | nse | hello verybody. i receive this error message: "sox: Can't open output file '/dev/dsp': Permission denied" when trying to play audio files with play, that uses sox. what's wrong? |
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| 22:09.24 | stew | nse: using alsa? |
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| 22:10.00 | stew | nse: are you in the audio group? |
| 22:10.05 | nse | stew: yes, perhaps |
| 22:10.28 | liran_ | uhmm, what does ". /etc/default/fglrx" do in a bash script? |
| 22:10.29 | stew | nse: if you are using alsa make sure snd-pcm-oss is loaded. you need to be in the audio group regardless (does "groups" list audio?) |
| 22:10.31 | nse | yes i am |
| 22:10.39 | stew | liran_: "help source" |
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| 22:10.58 | stew | liran_: . is just a shorthand for source |
| 22:10.59 | Shadowcat | stew: any recent reports of data corrpution with the last batch of sid upgrades? |
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| 22:11.11 | Shadowcat | corruption even |
| 22:11.13 | stew | Shadowcat: no. i only update sid on saturdays however |
| 22:11.23 | Shadowcat | I'm getting a journal replays in reiserfs for no reason at all |
| 22:11.35 | Shadowcat | and it's not the hd as it already passed the smart tests |
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| 22:11.56 | stew | <insert snide comment about reiserfs here> |
| 22:12.02 | Shadowcat | !beat stew |
| 22:12.17 | Shadowcat | this isn't the fs' fault as it's been running like this for over a year |
| 22:12.18 | swiceje | I have the troublesome neomagic 256 chip for sound on my laptop, it works automatically in centos but locks up the computer in debian. What files in centos should i copy to refer to help get it working in debian? |
| 22:12.49 | stew | swiceje: what does "uname -r" say? |
| 22:13.10 | beardy | If it's not the hardware, or the filesystem, it must be the one that choosed the filesystem. |
| 22:13.23 | Shadowcat | !beat beardy |
| 22:13.51 | sbk | Silly question -- can't seem to find the right google keywords here. Isn't there a /proc file that maintains statistics about bytes sent/received overall via tcp? |
| 22:14.15 | Shadowcat | if you enable netfilter there should be |
| 22:14.32 | Dwonis | sbk: well, there's /proc/net/dev, but that's raw data per-interface |
| 22:14.37 | swiceje | 2.6.9-34.EL |
| 22:14.59 | sbk | Shadowcat: ah, thanks |
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| 22:15.07 | stew | swiceje: that is what? a redhat kernel? |
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| 22:15.13 | sbk | Dwonis: great -- that should be adequate enough for my tests, thanks much |
| 22:15.25 | Dwonis | sbk: also, I have a tool... |
| 22:15.32 | stew | swiceje: what does "dpkg -l libc6 | tail -1" say? |
| 22:15.39 | Dwonis | sbk: ftp://ftp.dlitz.net/pub/dlitz/scripts/loadmon/0.1/loadmon |
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| 22:15.54 | Dwonis | sbk: if you want to display transmission rates in a nice format |
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| 22:16.16 | zamaliphe | stew: do you know how to add skin to mplyer bakeg |
| 22:16.21 | stew | zamaliphe: no |
| 22:16.33 | sbk | Dwonis: thanks for the pointer. I need to massage the data in a few ways, so I'll probably just capture output over time and do some perl. |
| 22:16.41 | swiceje | stew: yes, I'm in centos and I really don't like it one bit, but I'm hoping to retrieve my config files from it to make sound work in debian |
| 22:17.01 | swiceje | stew: so far, I've copied the output of lsmod and copied my modprobe.conf |
| 22:17.11 | stew | !alsa one-liner |
| 22:17.11 | dpkg | extra, extra, read all about it, alsa one-liner is apt-get install alsa-base alsa-utils && alsaconf, or if you are running a 2.4 kernel ask me about <2.4 alsa one-liner>, or after its installed, run alsamixer and unmute the volume levels |
| 22:17.17 | stew | swiceje: ^^ that should get you going in debian |
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| 22:17.25 | liable | zamaliphe: put it in your .mplayer/skins dir and choose it |
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| 22:17.31 | hddcdfd0 | how to see the dns that im using? |
| 22:17.41 | kspath | !stew++ |
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| 22:17.51 | stew | swiceje: there is no real config to be worried about, especially if you know what drivers you are using now (from lsmod) |
| 22:17.59 | Dwonis | hddcdfd0: Your question could mean several things, but probably /etc/resolv.conf |
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| 22:18.52 | swiceje | stew: I think I had those packages installed before on this in debian but after running alsaconf my computer would lock up when the module was loaded. However, I was using the 2.4 kernel when i last loaded debian on this. |
| 22:19.24 | stew | swiceje: when you install, type "linux26" at the boot prompt and it will install with a 2.6 kernel |
| 22:19.49 | swiceje | stew: will udev help? |
| 22:20.10 | stew | swiceje: it should hopefully neither help nor hurt |
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| 22:21.30 | pkern | Is there a way to reset file permissions back to the defaults specified in the Debian packages? |
| 22:21.38 | pkern | Oh wrong channel. |
| 22:21.52 | Shadowcat | :P |
| 22:21.56 | pkern | ): |
| 22:22.11 | Shadowcat | btw you might know |
| 22:22.25 | Shadowcat | my reiserfs root fs started giving me journal replays out of the blue today |
| 22:22.35 | Shadowcat | wondering if anything in sid's corrupting stuff |
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| 22:22.37 | swiceje | stew: thanks a bunch |
| 22:22.58 | Dwonis | !tell Shadowcat about smartmontools |
| 22:23.00 | stew | pkern: --reinstall? |
| 22:23.00 | volcomstnboi | would you guys recommend Debian or Ubuntu for laptops |
| 22:23.13 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: and no the smart tests passed |
| 22:23.14 | tarzeau | !popcon |
| 22:23.14 | dpkg | methinks popcon is the Debian Popularity contest. See results at http://popcon.debian.org/ or install popularity-contest to participate. do the dpkg-reconfigure -plow popularity-contest right after you answered all debconf stuff |
| 22:23.23 | bztunk | volcomstnboi: Windows for Workgroups 3.11 |
| 22:23.24 | tarzeau | volcomstnboi: debian, you're in #debian |
| 22:23.35 | Shadowcat | bztunk: Windows NT 3.51! |
| 22:23.38 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: but... reiserfs never loses data! ;) |
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| 22:23.45 | volcomstnboi | i know where I am at. I am using debian. |
| 22:23.47 | pkern | stew: Sounds nice. |
| 22:23.52 | stew | volcomstnboi: in general we are going to naturally be biased toward debian. however if you are unfamiliar with linux then ubuntu is friendlier |
| 22:23.55 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: well the machine is off right now because I've had a long day |
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| 22:24.01 | Shadowcat | but I'm gonna copy everything off tomorrow |
| 22:24.05 | bztunk | Shadowcat: Windows for Workgroups is worst, err, i mean better |
| 22:24.09 | Seb_le_S1 | I would install debian GNU/Hurd |
| 22:24.17 | bztunk | Seb_le_S1: hahhaha |
| 22:24.21 | tarzeau | Seb_le_S1: it's really nice |
| 22:24.21 | Shadowcat | Dwonis: now mind giving me a usable answer? |
| 22:24.26 | bztunk | no, debian k/BSD |
| 22:24.33 | tarzeau | bztunk: that's nice too |
| 22:24.41 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: I would if I had one |
| 22:24.58 | Shadowcat | you're useless :P |
| 22:25.01 | tarzeau | bztunk: check io.debian.net , it's got 00:24:36 up 147 days, 9:25, 5 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.04 |
| 22:25.03 | pkern | stew: It even tracked me down some relicts from Sarge. Thanks a lot. (: |
| 22:25.34 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: Well, I stopped using reiserfs (v3) years ago while I was mucking around with X configuration. |
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| 22:25.55 | Dwonis | Shadowcat: /etc/X11/XF86Config got replaced with random crap from /var/log too many times |
| 22:26.07 | Shadowcat | most of my fleet runs ext3 because of extended attributes requirements |
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| 22:27.59 | pkern | I wouldn't even touch reiserfs again, but then I am baised with knowledge from three or four years ago. |
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| 22:28.15 | Shadowcat | BAH |
| 22:28.19 | Shadowcat | great |
| 22:28.53 | kepht | on debian(testing) running alsaconf will setup only one of my three cards exclusively, how come? ..i'm trying to set up identified cards: via82xx, mpu401, bt878 |
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| 22:29.11 | Shadowcat | right |
| 22:29.16 | Dwonis | It's really too bad. I loved reiserfs, speed-wise, but unfortunately reliability just doesn't seem to have been a priority |
| 22:29.22 | Shadowcat | might as well let stew have his field day |
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| 22:29.30 | Dwonis | 'course that was years ago |
| 22:29.39 | Dwonis | i.e. potato or woody |
| 22:29.48 | Shadowcat | well this is a reiserfs3 system |
| 22:30.09 | stew | Shadowcat: about reiser? i really have no idea. i've only ever run ext2 and ext3 (except for 30 minutes with xfs once) |
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| 22:30.20 | chingy | ok, I have a dumb question, How do I make selections in text menus during installations from the command-line. Like when you install an xserver and pick the resolutions. |
| 22:30.21 | nse | stew: there is a file /etc/modules that list the modules that will be loaded at boot time. does snd-pcm-oss need be there? |
| 22:30.25 | Shadowcat | bah |
| 22:30.27 | diffe | is debian heard to install? |
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| 22:30.32 | Ronin | diffe: nope |
| 22:30.36 | tarzeau | chingy: inside gnu screen |
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| 22:30.39 | FarrisG | Can anyone help me figure out why address autocompletion isn't working for me in Evolution? |
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| 22:30.52 | stew | nse: /etc/modules is in fact such a file. snd-pcm-oss should probably be in there if you use alsa (but not if you use oss) |
| 22:30.55 | diffe | okey, i use ubuntu know but have heard debian is better |
| 22:30.57 | liable | chingy: spacebar |
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| 22:31.13 | tarzeau | !tell diffe about ubuntu2debian |
| 22:31.17 | chingy | lol really?! AHAH, that is one thing i wondered about forever, but didn't want to ask!!! |
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| 22:32.15 | pkern | E: Couldn't configure pre-depend coreutils for debianutils, probably a dependency cycle. |
| 22:32.19 | pkern | Ok, it isn't that easy. ;) |
| 22:32.50 | chingy | liable: thanks, saved me some VI editor time.! :) |
| 22:33.00 | liable | chingy: heh, np. |
| 22:33.06 | pkern | Aptitude to the rescue? |
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| 22:33.12 | pkern | No. |: |
| 22:33.18 | stew | pkern: are you trying to upgrade a pre-stable sarge to testing or something like that? |
| 22:33.31 | pkern | stew: I'm trying to reinstall sid on a running system |
| 22:33.31 | stew | pkern: what versions of those packages are involved? |
| 22:33.44 | pkern | stew: Current sid, almost no packages installed. |
| 22:33.46 | chingy | ok one more question, some mirrors for debian run really slow. How do I change the mirror IP address so that I can choose a faster one? |
| 22:33.46 | pkern | stew: dpkg --get-selections|grep 'install'|sed -e 's/\t.*//g'|xargs aptitude reinstall |
| 22:33.52 | pkern | stew: ;) |
| 22:34.10 | stew | !reinstall |
| 22:34.10 | dpkg | reinstall is probably COLUMNS=200 dpkg -l | awk '/^[hi]i/{print $2}' | xargs apt-get -y --reinstall install, or dpkg --get-selections > packages , then later, dpkg --set-selections < packages && apt-get install |
| 22:34.12 | cureless | chingy: try netselect |
| 22:34.32 | stew | pkern: (i don't know if that version is any healthier, btw, just putting it up for comparison) |
| 22:34.41 | pkern | stew: It will lead to the same. |
| 22:34.43 | liable | chingy: look at apt-spy |
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| 22:35.33 | chingy | i remember setting a preference manually on my server, but that was ages ago! I love it, i install, set up, and never touch it again! |
| 22:35.52 | pkern | Apart from the fact that it does not work on that sid box. So time to look how to break that cycle. |
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| 22:37.10 | stew | pkern: so debianutils pre-depends on coreutils which replace debianutils |
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| 22:37.36 | PlasmaHH | howdy, can I somehow get apt to use different mirrors simultaeneously to download pacakges? |
| 22:37.39 | pkern | It just doesn't work this way with the base system. |
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| 22:37.52 | pkern | One does get various cycles with essential packages. |
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| 22:38.27 | fbred | how do I make apt-get don't check dependencies for a given package? I want apt to fully ignore it |
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| 22:39.43 | chingy | ok, you know how you can nslookup the server for apt, how can you select to use a different mirror by IP address. |
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| 22:40.06 | cureless | chingy: what is your problem? |
| 22:40.16 | pkern | Haha |
| 22:40.23 | chingy | cureless: the updates are slow, like Bytes slow. |
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| 22:40.58 | pkern | stew: apt-get fetched all... So I pass the package list to a for loop, look up the package in the archives directory and install it with dpkg -i. Seems to work fine. Don't know yet if it fixed the permissions, though. |
| 22:40.59 | chingy | security.debian.org in particular. |
| 22:41.12 | cureless | chingy: why do you want to specify by ip? (you can). Just use some tool like netselect or something if you can't find a ..... |
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| 22:41.27 | cureless | chingy: oh, I see, well, that's a different story. |
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| 22:42.36 | chingy | if you nslookup security.debian.org I get two different IP addresses, one is way faster than the other, so i want to set it up to ue that one. I did it before, but i forgot how |
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| 22:43.33 | hjubal | bye |
| 22:44.23 | chingy | wait, i remember how now |
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| 22:45.04 | chingy | i just added 194.109.137.218 security.debian.org into my /etc/hosts . In case anyone else has the slow connection problem as well. |
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| 22:46.47 | kurumin | HI BABY |
| 22:47.51 | bztunk | HI |
| 22:47.54 | bztunk | ASL???? |
| 22:48.05 | stoned | ? |
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| 22:48.32 | pixolet | like, lol |
| 22:48.57 | stoned | I have not been able to enjoy a good nights sleep in years |
| 22:49.07 | bztunk | stop smoking |
| 22:49.18 | stoned | its not that |
| 22:49.18 | pixolet | it's because sarge went stable, isn't it |
| 22:49.26 | stoned | I stay up all night and I sleep during the day |
| 22:49.32 | stoned | its kicking my ass |
| 22:49.33 | pixolet | haha nice |
| 22:49.34 | PlasmaHH | hmpf, thats annoying if one connection is clamped to 20kB/s and apt does not use multiple connections :/ |
| 22:49.58 | stoned | PlasmaHH, ctrl + c and start the process again |
| 22:50.11 | stoned | PlasmaHH, when the connection is re established, USUALLY it goes faster |
| 22:50.20 | stoned | PlasmaHH, if you are using a very slow repo, you're fucked |
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| 22:50.32 | PlasmaHH | stoned: doesnt help. it always openes a connection to one server. and its clamped server sided to 20k |
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| 22:50.45 | chingy | PlasmaHH: you can find a mirror that is closer to you and place it in your /etc/hosts |
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| 22:50.53 | luscas | can anybody help-me with the debian installer? can't detect and mount my cdrom (netinst)... |
| 22:51.05 | PlasmaHH | chingy: no I cant |
| 22:51.08 | luscas | i tried sarge and etch 2 beta |
| 22:51.10 | stoned | PlasmaHH, apt-spy perhaps? |
| 22:51.11 | bztunk | luscas: check the erata... |
| 22:51.18 | PlasmaHH | stoned: for what? |
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| 22:51.31 | chingy | PlasmaHH: thats what i did for security.debian.org |
| 22:51.31 | stoned | PlasmaHH, check a crapload of em, use the fastest ones |
| 22:51.35 | kepht | What's the right way to setup sound in Debian(testing)? |
| 22:51.45 | stoned | kepht, /msg dpkg alsa |
| 22:51.46 | PlasmaHH | stoned: there are only two mirrors for the repo Im using |
| 22:51.55 | cureless | kepht: the fastest way is it works out of the box. |
| 22:52.00 | chingy | PlasmaHH: nslookup and choose the fastest IP |
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| 22:52.08 | stoned | PlasmaHH, then you're out of luck as I suffer from the same shit when I update/upgrade mplayer from marillat |
| 22:52.16 | stoned | it goes unblievebly slow |
| 22:52.22 | crazy_penguin | bye all. good night and pleasent dreams. |
| 22:52.29 | PlasmaHH | stoned: cant you get apt to download from multiple hosts ? |
| 22:52.44 | stoned | PlasmaHH, if there is a way, I do not know it |
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| 22:53.00 | chingy | what repo is slow if i may ask? |
| 22:53.03 | cureless | PlasmaHH: what mirror are you stuck at? Why don't you just use a different mirror? |
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| 22:53.29 | PlasmaHH | cureless: because there are only two mirrors of the repo Im using, how often should I say that? |
| 22:53.33 | jbrimble_away | What's a bash command I can use to make my computers internal speaker beep? |
| 22:53.51 | pixolet | PlasmaHH what's wrong with the other mirror, is it slow, too? |
| 22:53.59 | PlasmaHH | jbrimble_away: beep |
| 22:54.03 | PlasmaHH | pixolet: yes |
| 22:54.15 | jbrimble_away | -bash: beep: command not found |
| 22:54.23 | stoned | jbrimble_away, apt-get install beep |
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| 22:54.35 | jbrimble_away | thanks |
| 22:54.37 | PlasmaHH | oh its an alias here |
| 22:54.39 | PlasmaHH | alias beep='echo -en "\007"' |
| 22:54.50 | luscas | bztunk, i already did.. but http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/SataAtapiHowto didnt help |
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| 22:55.59 | luscas | bztunk, do you if this workaround works with the netinst cd? |
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| 22:56.48 | cureless | PlasmaHH: so do you want apt to connect to the same mirror multiple times? or to all of the mirrors at once? What repo is this anyway? |
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| 22:57.29 | fbred | How do I make apt-get don't check dependencies for a given package? I have installed a version of fglrx-driver that conflicts with the xorg-version, but it works fine, in contrast to the packages apt-get wants to install. I sat hold on fglrx-driver, but apt still refuses to do anything |
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| 22:57.45 | hddcdfd0 | how to change password using shell? |
| 22:57.50 | cureless | hddcdfd0: passwd |
| 22:57.51 | kepht | is alsaconf ok to use on system with udev? |
| 22:57.54 | clarity_ | hey, what kernel is on the 3.1 release? |
| 22:58.28 | clarity_ | the install seems to have the 2.4.x kernel... |
| 22:58.36 | cureless | clarity_: depends 2.6.8 and 2.4.27 |
| 22:58.47 | Knorrie | clarity_: boot the installer with expert26 |
| 22:58.56 | cureless | clarity_: or linux26 |
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| 22:59.01 | clarity_ | hrm... okay |
| 22:59.14 | Knorrie | clarity_: but it's always possible to switch to 2.6.8 afterwards |
| 22:59.15 | cureless | clarity_: or just update the kernel now, no need to reinstall |
| 22:59.38 | clarity_ | well, I'm in the middle of formating the drive |
| 22:59.38 | clarity_ | :-) |
| 22:59.38 | n0t_flan | fbred, apt-cache show <thing> |
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| 23:00.17 | fbred | n0t_flan, what good would that do? |
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| 23:01.01 | n0t_flan | fbred, I thought you wanted to get dependency information. I misread your question. |
| 23:01.33 | fbred | n0t_flan, oh, no. I want apt-get to don't care about the dependency information |
| 23:03.58 | n0t_flan | fbred, I don't know the answer to your question. As far as I know, that would defeat the purpose of apt... (but someone else here might be more knowledgeable) |
| 23:04.04 | fbred | I just manually removed the dep from /var/lib/dpkg/status, it is the only way around, as far as I know |
| 23:04.20 | zinosat | how do I tell apache to point to a dir inside a chroot? |
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| 23:04.34 | colk | is apache in the chroot |
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| 23:04.57 | zinosat | colk, no |
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| 23:05.14 | colk | then the regular system path should just work fine |
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| 23:06.11 | zinosat | colk, never used apache sorry. I guess it's a keyword inside /etc/apache2 |
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| 23:09.27 | stoned | 44 pounds a week, can't live on that |
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| 23:09.44 | stoned | haha |
| 23:09.52 | kspath | stoned: 44 pounds of pork? |
| 23:10.06 | stoned | noob saibot thats wicked man I have not played mortal kombat since the the days of MK2 for SNES |
| 23:10.07 | stoned | hehe |
| 23:10.12 | stoned | kspath, money |
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| 23:10.37 | stoned | kspath, my mom secretly sends me 100$ a week for expenses |
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| 23:10.54 | stoned | its about 44 pounds, current conversion rate |
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| 23:11.27 | zinx | oh dear. |
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| 23:12.25 | stoned | zinx, do you use X? |
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| 23:12.37 | stoned | zinx, what wm do you prefer? |
| 23:13.21 | stoned | do poeple really see a performance hit when using gnome or kde? |
| 23:13.44 | stoned | I dont' think it should matter anymore, what with all modern and high end machines |
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| 23:14.19 | david3 | stoned: I'm using a 300 mhz machine with 192 mb ram, yeah, it's a bit sluggish in kde |
| 23:14.20 | stoned | xfce4.3.9 is broken in sid |
| 23:14.26 | stoned | david3, well :/ |
| 23:14.42 | stoned | don't use a high rousource hogger in that machine man |
| 23:14.49 | thingfish | stoned: you're kind of right. I mean if you have a 3.0GHz P4 with a gig or more of ram, well, you can use what you want. |
| 23:14.51 | stoned | I mean like the new ones like p4 3.x ghz and 1gb ram etc. |
| 23:14.56 | thingfish | hehe |
| 23:14.59 | stoned | jinx |
| 23:15.01 | stoned | haha |
| 23:15.12 | stoned | sup thing man |
| 23:15.25 | david3 | stoned: eh... doesn't matter. I have a lot of swap space. sometimes things go slowly, but that's mostly because I've got lots and lots of apps open. |
| 23:15.57 | david3 | stoned: the menus aren't fast, but I rarely use them. |
| 23:16.08 | stoned | david3, ok whatever works. I have a 512/1.8ghz laptop with fuckin ubuntu on it from months ago, I been meaning to wipe it clean and I get lazy |
| 23:16.33 | stoned | I am running windows xp on a 866mhz 512 ram that is mainly used to play morrowind game |
| 23:16.55 | david3 | stoned: I know how that is. I need to get mepis off a desktop, I've been meaning to do it for months. |
| 23:17.00 | stoned | I was planning on wapping out the OS on my miain desktop, which is 2.4ghz, 512 mb ram |
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| 23:17.17 | stoned | that way, I could play games with xp on a better machine, but put linux on the 866mhz machine |
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| 23:17.30 | stoned | and I am addicted to kde so I wanted to know how much of a performace hit it would have |
| 23:17.45 | david3 | stoned: oh... are you addicted to transparency and stuff? |
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| 23:17.59 | xomhau | hi all |
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| 23:18.04 | stoned | david3, no, just the panel, custom taskbar position, and right click desktop menu |
| 23:18.11 | xomhau | how to create a webchat? |
| 23:18.15 | stoned | thats ALL I require pretty much |
| 23:18.31 | stoned | just 3 features, but kde is nicely uniform with all its apps |
| 23:18.37 | stoned | and its got a plethora of em, so it works out for me |
| 23:18.44 | david3 | stoned: sometimes I'll have to wait 5 seconds or more when alt+tabbing between apps or ctrl+tabbing between desktops. the menus are sluggish, it often takes 1-3 seconds for them to appear at all |
| 23:19.00 | david3 | stoned: but an 866mhz machine is nearly three times faster than mine |
| 23:19.03 | stoned | so I shouldn't do too bad though |
| 23:19.10 | stoned | yeh, compared to yours |
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| 23:19.28 | stoned | david3, I am a bit on a stupid side, sorry |
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| 23:19.51 | clarity_ | sweet, let's see if I can get this stuff to work |
| 23:19.55 | david3 | stoned: you could always try just swapping the hard drives, see if it'll boot :-) |
| 23:19.56 | stoned | david3, what is better for application, desktop use, more clock speed or more ram? |
| 23:20.12 | clarity_ | it appears it needs the madwifi driver and another ati driver |
| 23:20.22 | stoned | david3, windows sucks, if more than a few pieces of HW change, it asks you to call MS and ask them to reactivate it |
| 23:20.26 | dvs | stoned: more RAN |
| 23:20.29 | dvs | stoned: more RAM |
| 23:20.32 | david3 | stoned: frack if I know... well, I could probably figure it out. let me take a few guesses here... |
| 23:20.34 | clarity_ | ati actually released a driver for it but we'll see |
| 23:20.56 | clarity_ | I couldn't get it working in ubuntu... I got tired of that dist because nothing came on the initial disk |
| 23:21.01 | david3 | stoned: yeah, I just meant linux mostly. I don't think I'd try to boot windows in the other one, but you could try to boot linux on the 866 |
| 23:21.06 | stoned | so kde3.5+ 866mhz + 1gb(instead of 512) I would be alright? |
| 23:21.20 | clarity_ | what's the diff between xorg and xfree86? |
| 23:21.40 | stoned | I think I have 2 more empty slots on my mobo |
| 23:22.00 | david3 | stoned: drawing transparencies and stuff, creating menus if they are not cached, that'll require a little processor work and disk spinning. but remembering the bitmaps of all the windows on the screen, and on other desktops, and wallpapers -- that's ram stuff |
| 23:22.21 | streuner | clarity_: what do you use actually? |
| 23:22.23 | stoned | david3, I don't run kde for eye candy, only functionality, hardly any eyecandy crap I use at all |
| 23:22.41 | stoned | david3, ok, I think I have a project for this weekend heh |
| 23:23.06 | clarity_ | my laptop is a new toshiba m100... it's intel duo 1.8ghz + 2gb of ram |
| 23:23.16 | clarity_ | ati radeon 128mb vid card... |
| 23:23.21 | david3 | stoned: yeah, so I'd agree with dvs, ram is probably the way to go... I've been getting peeved recently since it's been taking so long to draw windows if I haven't looked at them for a half hour. But my laptop doesn't support more than 192 mb (although I've heard stories of people getting 320 mb working) |
| 23:23.30 | streuner | clarity_: and your videocard doesn't work? |
| 23:23.33 | clarity_ | what o/s do I use? Right now I'm using OSX.. I used fbsd for a while |
| 23:23.51 | stoned | clarity_, that is a question you should ask yourself |
| 23:23.52 | clarity_ | it didn't work in ubuntu... ubuntu doesn't come with the standard config util |
| 23:24.07 | david3 | stoned: awesome. oh yeah, and the other thing: compiling your kernel will take a long time ;-) |
| 23:24.10 | stoned | clarity_, nothing short of windows/mac would have something like that |
| 23:24.11 | clarity_ | the auto config didn't work... |
| 23:24.19 | stoned | david3, why would I compile, stock baby |
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| 23:24.39 | clarity_ | hmm... huh? |
| 23:24.42 | david3 | stoned: I dunno... I use stock myself. actually, I've considered compiling a 2.6 kernel with apm support. |
| 23:24.48 | stoned | clarity_, are you interested in using debian? |
| 23:24.50 | dvs | clarity_: and you're expecting an unbiased answer here? |
| 23:25.01 | clarity_ | I'm installing debian right now :-) |
| 23:25.18 | stoned | clarity_, ok, just be sure to only ask debian related support questions here |
| 23:25.24 | stoned | clarity_, otherwise there is #freebsd and #ubuntu |
| 23:25.29 | clarity_ | alrighty |
| 23:26.15 | kspath | stoned: you forgot openbsd and netbsd and centos and ... |
| 23:26.41 | stoned | kspath, he only mentioned macosx, freebsd, and ubuntu |
| 23:27.05 | streuner | clarity_: why not just use debian ? ;-) |
| 23:27.07 | clarity_ | yah I was thinking he asked what os I use right now |
| 23:27.34 | clarity_ | streuner: working on it |
| 23:27.35 | kspath | clarity_: I have several OSs and distributions and I like debian very much. |
| 23:27.50 | stoned | I agree with kspath |
| 23:27.58 | stoned | I agree very much indeed |
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| 23:28.05 | streuner | clarity_: check out /msg dpkg laptop |
| 23:28.11 | clarity_ | I've used dir's of it before... I've never used debian |
| 23:28.25 | streuner | clarity_: there are some tips and trics in order to get some things to work |
| 23:28.28 | stoned | debian based are crap |
| 23:28.35 | stoned | debian source/oroginal is way to go |
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| 23:28.40 | stoned | the* |
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| 23:29.06 | kspath | clarity_: derivatives? |
| 23:29.21 | clarity_ | yup :-) |
| 23:29.24 | stoned | kspath, thats what I thought he meant, dir* |
| 23:29.25 | stoned | heh |
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| 23:29.57 | lzhang | how do I determine if a box is running udev or not? |
| 23:30.07 | streuner | lzhand: dpkg -l udev |
| 23:30.13 | lzhang | thanks |
| 23:30.41 | stew | lzhang: or pgrep udevd |
| 23:30.56 | lzhang | stew: and if that returns nothing, then it's not? |
| 23:31.02 | stew | lzhang: yes |
| 23:31.07 | lzhang | ok thanks guys |
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| 23:33.11 | DrCurl | hello |
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| 23:35.19 | DrCurl | when I compile gnustep-back, and I do make install, I get this error: plmerge: command not found |
| 23:35.26 | wut | whats the latest version of debian available? |
| 23:35.36 | wut | err thats stable |
| 23:35.37 | DrCurl | what package should I install to get plmerge? |
| 23:35.40 | EdLin | !sarge |
| 23:35.40 | dpkg | Ten-HUT! Fall in! Sarge is the code name for the current stable Debian release, version 3.1, released on June 6th, 2005. Ask me about <install debian>. Sarge is the biggest lump of free as in freedom software ever released at one time... read the release notes at http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/releasenotes, or the best thing since slice cheese. |
| 23:35.41 | stew | DrCurl: /msg dpkg apt-file |
| 23:35.44 | streuner | wut: r2 |
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| 23:35.53 | clarity_ | what's kernel-image-2.6.8-2-686-smp what's the smp? |
| 23:35.54 | streuner | wut: why? |
| 23:35.57 | thingfish | wut: 3.1r2 |
| 23:36.05 | streuner | clarity_: /msg dpkg smp |
| 23:36.06 | stew | !smp |
| 23:36.06 | dpkg | [smp] (Symmetric Multi Processing) This refers to a technology where a computer uses multiple processors to process different instructions at the same time, in separate processing units. It is a form of parallel computing. or Single Member Plurality, which is the Canadian electoral system., or rtfm! http://www.phy.duke.edu/brahma/smp-faq/, or the right option for Hyperthreaded Pentium 4's, or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symmetric_multiprocessing |
| 23:36.10 | streuner | argh |
| 23:36.13 | wut | i'm using slackware currently but i wanna try something else |
| 23:36.15 | wut | !dma |
| 23:36.16 | dpkg | it has been said that dma is (Direct Memory Access) PCs have DMA channels that allow certain devices to directly access memory in order to speed up the process. to turn on dma, hdparm -d1 /dev/hda. to make it permanent, edit /etc/hdparm.conf |
| 23:36.22 | streuner | thingfish: are you an echo? ;-) |
| 23:36.26 | clarity_ | awesome. |
| 23:36.52 | wut | what kernel is 3.1r2 using? |
| 23:37.03 | kspath | wut: You decide. |
| 23:37.06 | EdLin | your choice of 2.4.27 or 2.6.8 |
| 23:37.06 | stew | wut: 2.4.27 and 2.6.8.1 |
| 23:37.42 | streuner | wut: but you can use backports as well... (2.6.15) for example :-) |
| 23:37.52 | stew | 2.6.16 now even |
| 23:37.58 | DrCurl | "apt-file search plmerge" gives not result :| |
| 23:38.06 | EdLin | wut: there's an unofficial install image with 2.6.14 I think on it. |
| 23:38.09 | streuner | oh, did it make into backports, didn't know that |
| 23:38.18 | EdLin | !d-i 2.6.14 |
| 23:38.18 | dpkg | 2.6.14, you want to go to http://www.debian.org/releases/sarge/debian-installer/ - for your own good, and everyone else's. |
| 23:38.29 | EdLin | er, that's not right. :-) |
| 23:38.36 | stew | DrCurl: mine finds gnustep-base-common: usr/lib/GNUstep/System/Tools/plmerge |
| 23:38.58 | DrCurl | ok |
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| 23:39.02 | EdLin | !ginzersmite dpkg |
| 23:39.21 | stew | DrCurl: have you run "apt-file update " since installing it? |
| 23:39.53 | simonrvn | yinzersmite |
| 23:40.12 | EdLin | simonrvn: oops |
| 23:40.42 | EdLin | simonrvn: they removed mhallsmite. :) |
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| 23:43.39 | DrCurl | stew, no, doin it now |
| 23:43.51 | sid | mhallsmite was the best dpkg factoid that every existed. |
| 23:44.06 | Foxure | hello.. can somebody see this_ |
| 23:44.07 | Foxure | ? |
| 23:44.11 | sid | !greet Foxure |
| 23:44.11 | dpkg | Bonjour, Foxure |
| 23:44.15 | sid | Foxure: yes we can see you. |
| 23:44.23 | clarity_ | interesting the boot is hanging up when loading the ohci1394 driver |
| 23:44.30 | Foxure | nothing works exepect host and mirc |
| 23:44.38 | Foxure | strange |
| 23:44.42 | Ronin | mirc? |
| 23:44.43 | sid | Foxure: mirc is for windows. Do you mean irc? |
| 23:44.56 | Foxure | have both windows and debian |
| 23:45.44 | EdLin | Foxure: xchat and bitchx have both Windows and Linux versions, not mirc |
| 23:46.03 | Foxure | i mean, im on windows now |
| 23:46.09 | sid | !windows |
| 23:46.09 | dpkg | PCs are like air conditioners, if you open Windows(R) they don't work. |
| 23:46.29 | Ronin | Foxure: debian didn't want to connect for you? |
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| 23:47.02 | beardy | irssi is available for windows aswell (cygwin) |
| 23:47.04 | Foxure | and nothing work. its so strange.. its only mirc and host on the debian computer who works |
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| 23:47.40 | Ronin | Foxure: you run mirc on debian? why when theres so many excellent linux irc clients |
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| 23:48.08 | Foxure | no i have many computers.. i run mirc on this.. and bitchx on debian |
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| 23:48.36 | Foxure | dreamweawer and photoshop is not working on windows so i have no chois |
| 23:48.39 | Ronin | ok now im really confused |
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| 23:49.37 | Tenniru | Hi |
| 23:49.38 | Foxure | but any1 have a idea on whats wrong.. ? i mean.. i can ping and do host lokup on debian.. and on windows i can only chat on mirc |
| 23:49.43 | dafresh | hi all, i have 2 raid 5 soft partitions that wouldn't mount automaticaly at startup, but very well with a "mount -a" ... dont find anything in dmesg, anyone have an idea ?! |
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| 23:50.00 | Tenniru | I've kind of hit a problem after installing Debian on my old iBook; only half of the screen or less is showing |
| 23:50.09 | Foxure | lynx is not working either |
| 23:50.12 | Tenniru | I suspect it's working in the wrong resolution, but I can't change it due to visibility errors |
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| 23:50.19 | Tenniru | (e.g. I can not see half of the screen) |
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| 23:50.44 | jetscreamer | !blame gravity |
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| 23:51.02 | dafresh | anyone can help me ? |
| 23:51.08 | gravity | Sweet, did I break something else? |
| 23:51.09 | Foxure | any1 how could try to ping me? 84.216.51.30 |
| 23:51.23 | jetscreamer | i was just thinking of a catch-all |
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| 23:51.31 | jetscreamer | :) |
| 23:51.49 | Tenniru | Now, one problem is that being a newbie I do not know how to enter complete terminal ode; it turns on X and then I can barely see |
| 23:51.49 | EdLin | Foxure: your Windows problems, despite the fact that you're debugging them with Debian, are off-topic for this channel |
| 23:52.14 | jetscreamer | Tenniru: ctrl alt F1,2,3...6... alt 7 to gtet back |
| 23:52.48 | Tenniru | alright, I am now in text mode |
| 23:52.51 | Foxure | EdLin? what? i have problem with my internet connection.. The internet is connected to A debian computer |
| 23:52.55 | Tenniru | next problem; how do I resolve my resolution issue? |
| 23:53.09 | jetscreamer | !drxx maybe |
| 23:53.10 | dpkg | maybe: dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86 [or xserver-xorg if you're using X.org] (as root). If you have edited the X config file by hand, or used some other program like xf86config, ask me about <xmd5> |
| 23:53.16 | kspath | jetscreamer: sometimes ctrl-alt-shift-F1 |
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| 23:53.29 | jetscreamer | is that a mac thing? |
| 23:53.37 | kspath | jetscreamer: likely |
| 23:53.46 | jetscreamer | i saw a mac once |
| 23:53.53 | dafresh | am i the next on the help list ... |
| 23:54.04 | kspath | jetscreamer: after I get to the vtys with the shift I only need ctrl-alt-F# |
| 23:54.23 | EdLin | Foxure: the fact that you've been complaining about "only mirc working" is a pretty clear tip-off |
| 23:54.33 | jetscreamer | i only need alt, ctrl is only when in gui here |
| 23:54.33 | kspath | jetscreamer: iBooks make nice little Linux machines. |
| 23:54.49 | dafresh | yes / no ... seems no ... |
| 23:54.50 | Tenniru | they do, as long as you can see |
| 23:55.10 | Tenniru | I remember having this problem in the past, but this was years ago and the solution left my mind |
| 23:55.18 | Tenniru | I know there was a file I had to edit, I just do not know where |
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| 23:55.41 | jetscreamer | !tell Tenniru -about drxx |
| 23:55.48 | dafresh | Tenniru, /etc/fstab ?! :p |
| 23:55.50 | Foxure | EdLin: no my internet is not working on both debian and windows.. |
| 23:56.16 | Foxure | EdLin: its only mirc. and ping and host lookup who works |
| 23:56.21 | Tenniru | that helps, thanks |
| 23:56.26 | Foxure | Edlin: and thats on booth computer |
| 23:56.33 | Tenniru | ah, now I need to add myself to the sudoers list; I can do that |
| 23:56.46 | EdLin | both computers don't have mirc |
| 23:57.04 | jetscreamer | help, i can't apt-get install mirc wtf! |
| 23:57.11 | Foxure | EdLin: i think i know that |
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| 23:57.51 | dafresh | hi all, i have 2 raid 5 soft partitions that wouldn't mount automaticaly at startup, but very well with a "mount -a" ... dont find anything in dmesg, anyone have an idea ?! |
| 23:58.08 | dafresh | try again ? |
| 23:58.30 | chingy | anyone get the APIC error on CPU0: 40 (40) error? |
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| 23:59.01 | clarity_ | hrm... mirc in linux |
| 23:59.04 | clarity_ | interesting. |
| 23:59.16 | EdLin | irssi > mirc |
| 23:59.35 | Foxure | i take it again that.. i have problem with Lynx. can't get any page.. the only internet related thing that work is Host lokup and ping |
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| 23:59.44 | clarity_ | yah... I wrote a script for mIRC back 7-8 years ago |
| 23:59.49 | clarity_ | that'd be cool if I could still use it |
| 23:59.51 | kspath | clarity_: apt-cache search mirc ? |
